[12:11] <alejandro> hyola a todos
[12:11] <alejandro> me pregunto
[12:11] <alejandro> kubuntu enviara CD como lo hace ubuntu?
[12:15] <seth_k> hi alejandro 
[12:15] <seth_k> espanol = #ubuntu-es
[12:15] <alejandro> thank you
[12:16] <seth_k> & #kubuntu-es
[12:16] <hippie> espaol=#kubuntu-es
[12:16] <seth_k> de nada
[12:16] <alejandro> jajaja
[12:37] <Master-Yodas> OK
[12:37] <Master-Yodas> i need HELP
[12:37] <Master-Yodas> PLEASE
[12:37] <Master-Yodas> :P
[12:38] <Master-Yodas> i need to get the source of my kernal
[12:38] <Master-Yodas> 2.6.10-5-386
[12:38] <gigaclon> is there a way to install kubuntu from the ubuntu installation cd
[12:38] <Master-Yodas> i dont have internet on my laptop
[12:38] <Master-Yodas> how do i get it?
[12:38] <Master-Yodas> no gigaclon use a kubuntu install cd
[12:38] <Master-Yodas> :P
[12:39] <TMS> every time I log in, kmix starts up. any ideas?
[12:40] <seth_k> shut it down before you log out, must be being saved in the session
[12:40] <TMS> I even killall -9 kmix to make sure
[12:40] <Master-Yodas> anyone?
[12:40] <seth_k> http://packages.ubuntu.com
[12:41] <seth_k> download, burn to cd
[12:42] <lwizardl> hi
[12:42] <gigaclon> how to find out how fast my CDRW drive supports writing?
[12:42] <Master-Yodas> can u link me please
[12:42] <Master-Yodas> did u buy a cdrw gigaclon?
[12:43] <lwizardl> i'm having display problems on my installed kubuntu system
[12:43] <gigaclon> it came with the laptop
[12:43] <gigaclon> k3b says its 4x but it burns faster than that
[12:43] <lwizardl> i can only can set either 640x480 or 320x240 res
[12:43] <Master-Yodas> um?
[12:44] <Master-Yodas> if it burns at all its writting?
[12:44] <Master-Yodas> heh
[12:44] <Master-Yodas> oh!
[12:44] <Master-Yodas> i misread
[12:44] <Master-Yodas> google.com: how fast is cd writable drive kubuntu
[12:44] <Master-Yodas> or debian
[12:46] <lwizardl> can someone help me with getting more screen resolutions?
[12:46] <Master-Yodas> yes
[12:46] <Master-Yodas> upgrade ure graphics drivers
[12:47] <lwizardl> how do i do that? i just got the install done
[12:47] <Master-Yodas> um i wouldnt knoqw
[12:47] <Master-Yodas> 1 sec
[12:48] <Master-Yodas> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=341238
[12:49] <fromoze> hi, I'm looking for a kubuntu-amd64 user with kde 3.4.0. 
[12:54] <GameCat> hi
[12:55] <lwizardl> that didn't help
[12:55] <GameCat> anyone here who can help me with an apt-get issue?
[12:56] <johnflux> !ask
[12:56] <johnflux> GameCat: ask, don't ask to ask
[12:56] <GameCat> hehe
[12:57] <GameCat> okay - how do I fix this error: Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/restricted Packages
[12:57] <GameCat>   This HTTP server has broken range support [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[12:57] <GameCat> getting that when doing sudo apt-get update
[12:57] <johnflux> yeah I think the site is down
[12:57] <GameCat> I can browse to it fine
[12:58] <GameCat> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz  This HTTP server has broken range support [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[12:58] <johnflux> yeah i've seen people reporting that all day
[12:58] <GameCat> thats the next error, and i can browse the site/dir fine
[12:58] <johnflux> GameCat: maybe just give it a couple of days
[12:59] <GameCat> johnflux: it's been like that for 2 weeks :/
[12:59] <johnflux> GameCat: ah
[12:59] <GameCat> this isn't the first time I've asked for help about it
[12:59] <johnflux> GameCat: try earlier in the day - everyone is asleep
[12:59] <johnflux> me too in a moment
[12:59] <GameCat> aye, maybe I will thanks
[01:01] <devari> Hi?
[01:01] <johnflux> hi
[01:01] <devari> Quiet bunch here.
[01:02] <johnflux> you've only been on for 1 minute
[01:02] <johnflux> but yeah, everyone is asleep
[01:02] <johnflux> ;)
[01:02] <devari> I've been on using otherusernames. ;)
[01:02] <hippie> http://www.kdehispano.org/howto_kde_debian
[01:02] <hippie> mira voy en la parte de Una vez comprobado todo introducimos el siguiente comando
[01:05] <TestMAD> anyone here got experience with cedega CVS on kubuntu?
[01:06] <devari> I've been having strange problems with Kaffeine not closing properly and leaving large process instances lying around. Any ideas why?
[01:06] <Zugwrack> Greetings everyeon
[01:06] <Zugwrack> *everyone*
[01:06] <devari> Hey there
[01:07] <Zugwrack> Hey seth_k...how goes it? Greets devari
[01:07] <Zugwrack> You know that is the downside of a really good linux distro like Ubuntu/Kubuntu....not much need for technical help...heh
[01:08] <TestMAD> i need help.
[01:08] <TestMAD> extreme noob here and all i want is to get some of my windows stuff to run
[01:08] <TestMAD> wine is a hassle
[01:09] <seth_k> hi Zugwrack 
[01:09] <TestMAD> so i was thinking of using the cedega CVS.
[01:09] <TestMAD> but ive also seen that is a hassle too
 You know that is the downside of a really good linux distro like Ubuntu/Kubuntu....not much need for technical help...heh <-- What, there isn't? :P
[01:09] <Zugwrack> TestMAD: Err...well depends on what you are trying to do..and yes being a n00b is a pain in the beginning...heck we are all n00bs to some degree!
[01:10] <Zugwrack> If you want to run games and such...you just need to face the fact that the easiest thing to do is buy commercial software that runs under linux to play games ;-)
[01:10] <seth_k> or just give it up and come play America's Army with me
[01:10] <seth_k> :P
[01:11] <Zugwrack> seth_k: So you are Army huh?
[01:11] <TestMAD> dont call me a n00b..theres a difference
[01:11] <TestMAD> n00bs are psoer skript kiddies..that dont want to learn anything.
[01:12] <TestMAD> noobs actually try to learn stuff
[01:12] <devari> Perhaps newbie would be a better term?
[01:12] <TestMAD> and im trying to understand this linux stuff.
[01:12] <TMS> I made a script for enabling WPA and Ive tried to not have it output various dhclient and other various messages. any ideas of what I could do? http://tms.is-a-geek.net/pub/scripts/shell/wifi
[01:12] <TestMAD> im too old for this crap
[01:12] <seth_k> No Zugwrack, I'm not. But that doesn't make the game any less fun :D
[01:13] <devari> What's the problem with the CVS?
[01:13] <devari> *Cedega CVS
[01:13] <devari> And what Windows apps are you trying to install?
[01:14] <Zugwrack> heh
[01:14] <TestMAD> well..id like to play my halo and doom3 and COD..stuff like that
[01:14] <TestMAD> but also cedega might have better luck at running CS2.
[01:15] <Fraeon> Durrrrrrrr...
[01:16] <TestMAD> i know theres a linux version of doom3..but i dont have that. nor am i going to buy another version
[01:16] <devari> CS2?
[01:16] <TestMAD> Photoshop CS2
[01:16] <devari> Halo won't work, I can tell you that
[01:16] <devari> oh, ok
[01:16] <Fraeon> There are native binaries for Doom 3.
[01:16] <TestMAD> halo wont werk?
[01:17] <Zugwrack> Which require use the windows game version to work...
[01:17] <zaudragon> hello
[01:17] <Fraeon> http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom/#head-e8225c64f37868c6ad5119cdeee2e3e1b8249692
[01:17] <devari> It would be my guess: http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Halo
[01:17] <zaudragon> how big is the Kubuntu distro
[01:17] <zaudragon> ?
[01:17] <Fraeon> |---| <-- that big
[01:17] <zaudragon> Fraeon: numbers?
[01:17] <zaudragon> I couldn't find it on the site anywhere...
[01:17] <TMS> TestMAD: the linux specific files for Doom3 are free to download. you need the files from the CD to play it anyway
[01:18] <tvo> zaudragon: it's 1 cd iirc
[01:18] <Fraeon> 650-700mb, can't say outright. It fits on one CD, that's most important
[01:18] <zaudragon> tvo: I know
[01:18] <zaudragon> tvo: so is it 650MB or 700MB?
[01:18] <tvo> wait a minute
[01:20] <TestMAD> that sux..no halo
[01:20] <Riddell>  kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso            07-Apr-2005 08:18  572M
[01:20] <zaudragon> oooh
[01:20] <zaudragon> maybe I'll download it once I have a CD at hand
[01:21] <johnflux> dpkg: error processing openofficeorg-base-1.9.117-linux-2.6-intel.deb (--install):
[01:21] <johnflux>  package architecture (intel) does not match system (i386)
[01:21] <TestMAD> how good is win for lin??
[01:21] <TestMAD> win4lin?
[01:21] <tvo> :D
[01:21] <johnflux> I downloaded the openoffice debs from linux.cz
[01:21] <johnflux> I get that error
[01:21] <johnflux> shall I just force it?
[01:21] <zaudragon> because your architecture is not the same...?
[01:21] <TestMAD> i just dont want to have to dual boot..
[01:21] <johnflux> what's "intel" ?
[01:21] <johnflux> zaudragon: yeah
[01:22] <zaudragon> johnflux: aren't there other debs
[01:22] <johnflux> zaudragon: not that I saw
[01:22] <zaudragon> johnflux: you can look on openoffice.org
[01:23] <johnflux> http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/SRC680_m117/Build-1/
[01:23] <johnflux> that's the url in #openoffice.org
[01:23] <johnflux> (the topic)
[01:23] <johnflux> I got the OOo_SRC680_m117_en-US_native_LinuxIntel_install_deb.tar.gz    one
[01:23] <johnflux> which seemed the only sensible choice
[01:23] <johnflux> what's the "intel" architecture?
[01:25] <Master-Yodas> ok
[01:25] <Master-Yodas> i found instructions that say i neef hte disk in
[01:25] <Master-Yodas> and then to type apt-get install bla
[01:25] <Master-Yodas> but i dont have internet
[01:25] <Master-Yodas> is this supose to work?
[01:25] <seth_k> johnflux: that's the correct one
[01:25] <Master-Yodas> :|
[01:25] <johnflux> seth_k: what do you think is going wrong?
[01:26] <seth_k> oh, I didn't see you were getting an error
[01:26] <Master-Yodas> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38972
[01:26] <seth_k> lemme peek
[01:26] <johnflux> seth_k: using --force-all --no-act   seems okay
[01:28] <seth_k> johnflux: maybe a packaging discrepancy. no such arch as intel ime
[01:28] <seth_k> sounds like you did fine
[01:29] <johnflux> it installed, it runs, it works :)
[01:29] <zaudragon> yay
[01:30] <zaudragon> is KOffice betgter than OpenOffice
[01:30] <zaudragon> ?
[01:30] <zaudragon> or the other way around?
[01:30] <TestMAD> small poll here..win4lin or vmware to run a guest install of xp?
[01:30] <johnflux> zaudragon: other way round
[01:30] <zaudragon> johnflux: gotcha
[01:30] <zaudragon> johnflux: I tried OOO but never KO
[01:30] <johnflux> zaudragon: koffice has like 3 people working on it, openoffice has like 100
[01:30] <zaudragon> heh tight
[01:30] <zaudragon> it's because I'm on OS X
[01:30] <johnflux> which is a shame because koffice is mucher nicer
[01:31] <zaudragon> looks nicer, eh?
[01:31] <johnflux> well just architectually
[01:31] <zaudragon> I see
[01:31] <johnflux> uses kde components etc
[01:31] <zaudragon> ah
[01:31] <aseigo> well, not just arch wise
[01:31] <johnflux> wheras openoffice reinvents its own
[01:31] <aseigo> kword is frame based
[01:31] <aseigo> kexi is a rather nice access-like app
[01:31] <zaudragon> does Kubuntu come with KOffice or OOO?
[01:31] <aseigo> krita is really coming along as a grahpics app
[01:32] <johnflux> zaudragon: by default?
[01:32] <zaudragon> johnflux: yeah
[01:32] <johnflux> zaudragon: openoffice 1
[01:32] <aseigo> so, there's greater scope in koffice as well
[01:32] <Mez> Kpresent = uber :D
[01:32] <zaudragon> johnflux: gotcha
[01:32] <aseigo> yeah, i like kpresenter... =)
[01:32] <Mez> but, in breezy, it'll be KOffice methinks
[01:32] <zaudragon> wow I use too much space
[01:32] <johnflux> zaudragon: office is 1/10th the size of openoffice
[01:33] <johnflux> koffice
[01:33] <zaudragon> johnflux: koffice?
[01:33] <zaudragon> johnflux: wow
[01:33] <johnflux> zaudragon: not hard - openoffice is over 100MB without the docs etc
[01:33] <zaudragon> and KO is 10MB?
[01:33] <johnflux> I'm not sure
[01:34] <johnflux> but much smaller
[01:34] <zaudragon> ah ok
[01:34] <seth_k> survey says KOffice is appx 19MB
[01:34] <johnflux> around 15MB 
[01:34] <Master-Yodas> how do i make apt-get install check the cd
[01:34] <Master-Yodas> not the internet
[01:34] <johnflux> seth_k: i make it a bit less
[01:35] <Master-Yodas> becuase i dont have the internet
[01:35] <johnflux> seth_k: but depends how you package etc probably
[01:35] <johnflux> ah that was without help docs and i18n
[01:36] <seth_k> Master-Yodas: either add the CD to sources.list, or use apt-zip
[01:36] <zaudragon> I'm using 25.57GB out of 27.82 GB
[01:41] <zaudragon> what's the default shell in Kubuntu?
[01:41] <uniq> bash
[01:42] <uniq> gnite.
[01:42] <seth_k> bash
[01:42] <seth_k> night uniq 
[01:42] <zaudragon> then I gotta install zsh :D
[01:42] <_mark> Having real trouble with Kubuntu. seems that kynaptic hangs up when trying to install things. I get a message that somethings weren't able  to download. anybody else had this problem?
[01:43] <seth_k> _mark: probably the US sources issue
[01:43] <frank> the us archive is having problems
[01:43] <seth_k> _mark: open a terminal and kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:43] <_mark> ok. 
[01:43] <seth_k> _mark: remove all "us.", making each line "http://archive.ubuntu..."
[01:43] <seth_k> _mark: then in the terminal, "sudo apt-get update"
[01:43] <seth_k> then you're back in business
[01:43] <seth_k> :)
[01:46] <_mark> thanks everyone. I'm doing it now. I'll let you know when it works!
[01:47] <zaudragon> would Kubuntu run on a HD with the Mac OS Extended (Journaled) Format?
[01:49] <_mark> Thanks! it appears to be working now! Wow... I was about ready to give up on it...
[01:50] <frank> Hey I just found out about guarddog (firewall) It looks way better than firestarter
[01:51] <frank> _mark: first thing to get is synaptic. much better than kynaptic
[01:52] <_mark> Thanks! it appears to be working now! Wow... I was about ready to give up on it...?
[01:52] <_mark> type
[01:52] <frank> The_Vox: maybe I should
[01:52] <_mark> Was my problem addressed on the ubuntu/kubuntu website?
[01:53] <frank> _mark: It must be  a tenmporary problem with the us archive
[01:54] <_mark> well, thanks for all the help. They should really put up a notice... I figured I broke my system somehow. I had another distro disk in my drive!
[01:54] <The_Vox> _mark: the us.archive site has been broken for a couple of days....the people in #ubuntu have had it on the topic for about a week now
[01:54] <The_Vox> actually, it's in the topic here too
[01:55] <_mark> well, I guess I'man idiot! Thanks... I'm headed bck to play with my system! Firstthough, can anyone reccommend a good Linux database frontend?
[01:56] <The_Vox> frank: aptitude rocks the world, IMNSHO
[01:58] <watto> Can the live cd image be loaded into ram to speed processing?
[02:07] <seth_k> _mark: what kind of database? MySQL?
[02:09] <_mark> I am not particular. I just want one with a gui interface. less coding = good :)
[02:11] <bonk> hey
[02:15] <_mark> seth_k: I am not particular. I just want one with a gui interface. less coding = good :)
[02:16] <seth_k> okay, I use mysql-query-browser
[02:18] <_mark> seth_k: what is query-browser? I don't know anything about it...
[02:20] <watto> idiot newbie question. is this visible to anyone but me?
[02:21] <seth_k> _mark: you wanted a database frontend... that's a frontend to MySQL
[02:23] <_mark> seth_k: Ok. I'll google search it. I have gotten spoiledon ms Access. Know of anything similarto that?
[02:24] <seth_k> oh my life
[02:24] <seth_k> i'm going to go curl up and cry until the bad thoughts go away
[02:24] <seth_k> access.
[02:28] <ToniEisner> _mark: the closest not web related thin ist rekall
[02:29] <_mark> Ok. Thanks. I also saw a thing called "kexi" I'll check them all out.
[02:32] <frank> did anyone get the hddtemp mon karamba applet to work?
[02:37] <frank> anyone?
[02:37] <The_Vox> not me
[02:39] <_mark> I amtrying to configure an app in which I have to tell it where the kde headers are. The systemis not finding them. Where are they in kubuntu ??
[02:40] <bonk> has anyone else had problems with apt-get not connecting to any server?
[02:40] <frank> bonk: look at the topic
[02:40] <lwizardl> hi
[02:40] <bonk> I'm not using us servers
[02:40] <bonk> I tried nz, and just archive.ubuntu.com
[02:40] <bonk> neither can connect
[02:41] <seth_k> apt-get install kdelibs-dev, or something like that, _mark
[02:41] <frank> bonk: I don;t have any problems with apt
[02:41] <bonk> it's strange
[02:41] <The_Vox> bonk: try uk. or ca.
[02:41] <bonk> kk
[02:41] <The_Vox> or even mx. (which is what I'm using)
[02:42] <bonk> thanks
[02:42] <The_Vox> np
[02:46] <bonk> hang on...
[02:46] <bonk> that didn't work
[02:46] <bonk> the security server works
[02:48] <bonk> uk doesn't, ca doesn't, nz doesn't
[02:48] <bonk> (for archive)
[02:51] <bonk> and when I try to connect to archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu in konqueror, it shows a few folders, but you can't go into them
[02:51] <bonk> ^_~
[02:52] <sdb> hi all!
[02:53] <sdb> wonder if anyone can suggest me a good webmail interface, not imp nor squirrelmail
[02:54] <ToniEisner> sdb: openwebmail.org ?
[02:54] <sdb> ToniEisner: seem not well maintained :(
[02:55] <ToniEisner> sdb:it is and stable and 5min in setup
[02:55] <sdb> what i'm lookin for is a nice webmail without calendar, and other stuff
[02:55] <sdb> ToniEisner: why it's not supported by debian/ubuntu?
[02:57] <bonk> is the whole archive system down or something?
[02:57] <bonk> I can ping it, but I can't access it tho
[02:57] <lwizardl> can someone help me with this OS. I got the nvidia drivers working (most of the old resolutions that windows gave me are working now)
[02:58] <lwizardl> what is the differnce between GTK & motif versions of programs?
[02:59] <prgoon> Hi I am a new in (K)ubuntu. I've one wired ethernet card and a wireless card. Currently wired connection is not there. I want to get the wreless interface up and running as soon as the machine boots up. What and where I need to put the entry?
[03:01] <bonk> prgoon, I think it would be put in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh to start on bootup.
[03:01] <bonk> not sure
[03:02] <sdb> prgoon: i think you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces
[03:02] <sdb> here is mine:
[03:03] <sdb> # The loopback network interface
[03:03] <sdb> auto lo
[03:03] <sdb> iface lo inet loopback
[03:03] <sdb> # This is a list of hotpluggable network interfaces.
[03:03] <sdb> # They will be activated automatically by the hotplug subsystem.
[03:03] <sdb> mapping hotplug
[03:03] <sdb>         script grep
[03:03] <sdb>         map eth1
[03:03] <sdb> iface eth0 inet static
[03:04] <sdb>         address 192.168.3.3
[03:04] <sdb>         netmask 255.255.255.0
[03:04] <sdb>         network 192.168.3.0
[03:04] <sdb>         broadcast 192.168.3.255
[03:04] <sdb>         gateway 192.168.3.254
[03:04] <sdb>         dns-nameservers 192.168.254.1
[03:04] <sdb> # The primary network interface
[03:04] <sdb> iface eth1 inet static
[03:04] <prgoon> sdb, I want to put as a dhcp client
[03:04] <sdb>         address 192.168.0.10
[03:04] <sdb>         netmask 255.255.255.0
[03:04] <seth_k> sdb, please don't paste so much
[03:04] <sdb>         network 192.168.0.0
[03:04] <seth_k> sdb, please paste in pastebin
[03:04] <sdb>         broadcast 192.168.0.255
[03:04] <sdb>         gateway 192.168.0.1
[03:04] <sdb>         # wireless-* options are implemented by the wireless-tools package
[03:04] <sdb>         wireless-nick Toki
[03:05] <sdb>         wireless-mode Managed
[03:05] <sdb>         wireless-essid Hokuto
[03:05] <sdb>         wireless-key restricted s:"XXXXXXXXXXXXXX" [1] 
[03:05] <sdb>         #wireless-keymode restricted
[03:05] <sdb>         # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed
[03:05] <sdb>         dns-nameservers 192.168.0.1
[03:05] <sdb> (sorry, long post :()
[03:05] <sdb> mi wl interface is eth1
[03:05] <sdb> seth_k: sorry, you right
[03:05] <seth_k> sdb, in the future always use pastebin. http://pastebin.com or http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:06] <sdb> prgoon: simpli throw away "static" and use "dhcp".  
[03:06] <sdb> seth_k: ok, thank you :)
[03:06] <prgoon> sdb thanks for your input 
[03:06] <prgoon> sdb, I'll try this
[03:07] <sdb> remove also address, netmask, network, broadcast, and gateway lines
[03:07] <sdb> prgoon: hope this help :)
[03:08] <prgoon> Thx a lot, sdb :-)
[03:21] <PenguinBoy> evening Geeks, Nerds, and Linux Gurus!!!
[03:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> PenguinBoy welcome back ^_^
[03:21] <PenguinBoy> hey hey hey Foam Man
[03:21] <PenguinBoy> wink
[03:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> where ya been? internet die or someting?
[03:22] <PenguinBoy> no....I am in grad school...sometimes me workload gets the best of me
[03:23] <FoamY_is_PagaN> oh ok lol
[03:24] <PenguinBoy> who is else online tonight
[03:26] <PenguinBoy> hey heyhey claydoh
[03:27] <PenguinBoy> hey hey hey xaman
[03:28] <xaman> hi
[03:30] <zaudragon> weee
[03:30] <zaudragon> the live  version for now...
[03:30] <PenguinBoy> welcoem
[03:30] <PenguinBoy> kewl
[03:30] <PenguinBoy> you will LOVE it
[03:30] <zaudragon> via bittorrent though
[03:31] <zaudragon> yay, I shall love it1
[03:31] <zaudragon> wow, this'll take awhile
[03:31] <PenguinBoy> it is one kewl distro
[03:31] <zaudragon> :D
[03:32] <PenguinBoy> what is it 650 MB????
[03:32] <zaudragon> 614MB
[03:34] <zaudragon> ?
[03:36] <PenguinBoy> claydoh lurks
[03:36] <zaudragon> heh
[03:37] <zaudragon> gad
[03:37] <zaudragon> my download speed is slow
[03:42] <ermac`> wath's the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[03:42] <frank> kde in kubuntu
[03:42] <ermac`> oh
[03:43] <ermac`> much better then gnome then (h)
[03:43] <frank> i like kde better
[03:43] <ermac`> yeag
[03:43] <jeanluc> me <3 kde
[03:43] <ermac`> yeah
[03:43] <jeanluc> n0w release you anger
[03:43] <ermac`> :p
[03:44] <ermac`> i downloaded ubuntu yesterday i wrote the cd, today cd is broken :S
[03:44] <ermac`> so now i'm downloading kubuntu
[03:44] <jeanluc> yes
[03:44] <jeanluc> use
[03:44] <jeanluc> kubuntu
[03:45] <ermac`> is it true that with kde you have a lot more options etc? than gnome?
[03:45] <jeanluc> pretty much
[03:45] <jeanluc> and kde is more customizable
[03:45] <ermac`> uhu
[03:45] <ermac`> lol you want to know what i'm doing now?
[03:45] <ermac`> i formated my pc, i installed windows
[03:45] <jeanluc> jacking off?
[03:45] <ermac`> now i'm writing the iso
[03:46] <jeanluc> ohy, ok
[03:46] <ermac`> then i'm formating again
[03:46] <ermac`> and installing kubuntu
[03:46] <ermac`> :p
[03:46] <jeanluc> only scratched the surface; there are hundreds of organizations and agencies around the globe
[03:46] <ermac`> :p
[03:46] <ermac`> lol
[03:46] <ermac`> the #ubuntuchan looks more active how come?
[03:46] <ermac`> more problems with gnome? :P
[03:47] <jeanluc> yup
[03:47] <frank> more people use ubuntu and problems not specific with kde are usually discussed there
[03:47] <claydoh> naw, much much bigger user base
[03:47] <ermac`> hehe
[03:47] <ermac`> yeah idd
[03:48] <ermac`> how come there are no @ in here? and there?
[03:48] <ermac`> no only here
[03:49] <ermac`> kubuntu downloads fine: 900k/sec
[03:51] <ermac`> jeanluc i'm talksick :p
[03:51] <ermac`> are you trying to sleep or something,
[03:51] <ermac`> ?
[03:51] <ermac`> :p
[03:51] <ermac`> lol
[03:52] <ermac`> :D
[03:53] <jeanluc> when you install
[03:53] <jeanluc> come to this channel
[03:53] <jeanluc> tehres an irc client
[03:53] <frank> ermac`: do you have a athlon 64?
[03:53] <ermac`> ok
[03:53] <jeanluc> ya
[03:53] <jeanluc> 3200+
[03:53] <ermac`> no frank
[03:53] <frank> ermac`: ok
[03:53] <ermac`> i have a pentium3
[03:53] <jeanluc> eww
[03:53] <jeanluc> well if it makes you happy
[03:53] <jeanluc> in a gay sorta way
[03:54] <ermac`> my next pc is athlon64 or intell celeron don't know yet, i get it within 5 weeks
[03:54] <ermac`> or maybe dual xeon
[03:54] <jeanluc> celeron
[03:54] <ermac`> if i have enough cash ;)
[03:54] <jeanluc> thats like crap
[03:54] <jeanluc> celerons suck
[03:55] <ermac`> dual xeon is cool...
[03:55] <jeanluc> worse then pentiums
[03:55] <jeanluc> amd x2
[03:55] <ermac`> omg :s
[03:55] <ermac`> download blocked at 99 %
[03:55] <ermac`> i have to download it again
[03:55] <ermac`> :s:s:s
[03:56] <frank> can you resume?
[03:56] <jeanluc> noob
[03:56] <ermac`> no frank
[03:56] <ermac`> i cant...
[03:56] <ermac`> i started downloading again
[03:57] <ermac`> it's not good for my trafficlimit :| but it will work fine ;) everything for kubuntu ;)
[03:57] <ermac`> btw
[03:57] <ermac`> jeanluc where is that link for in the topic?
[03:57] <ermac`> that GT4 stuf
[03:57] <ermac`> stuff*
[04:13] <PenguinBoy> any bittorent aficianados in here
[04:13] <zaudragon> I like BT
[04:14] <zaudragon> and I'm using it right now...
[04:14] <zaudragon> 23 minutes remaining in downloading the Live iso
[04:14] <PenguinBoy> i need a tutorial on how to download things
[04:14] <PenguinBoy> I have downloaded BT
[04:15] <PenguinBoy> but i do not know how to download software
[04:15] <zaudragon> find a .torrent file
[04:15] <zaudragon> double click it
[04:15] <zaudragon> and it should open in BT and download it
[04:15] <zaudragon> at least in Mac OS X
[04:15] <frank> PenguinBoy: you can check out http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf.html
[04:16] <zaudragon> wow my downloading of Kubuntu is slow...
[04:16] <PenguinBoy> do I open it or save it
[04:16] <zaudragon> took about 3 hours
[04:17] <zaudragon> heh, MSIE?
[04:17] <PenguinBoy> do I open it or save it
[04:17] <zaudragon> I had to download it in Safari
[04:17] <zaudragon> PenguinBoy: either
[04:18] <PenguinBoy> i saved it.... nothing is happening
[04:19] <PenguinBoy> i click on the saved icon on the desktop and then I get a warning about
[04:19] <PenguinBoy> cannot find
[04:20] <zaudragon> then open the BT client
[04:20] <zaudragon> and open it from there
[04:21] <zaudragon> wow the Mac version of BT is so weird
[04:21] <zaudragon> there is a drawer but it's uncentred
[04:33] <PenguinBoy> wink
[04:55] <nmorse> Dadgummit, how do I do this to myself?
[04:56] <nmorse> Anyone know how to fix GRUB after installing Windows?
[04:56] <nmorse> With lilo this would be a cinch but I don't know GRUB
[04:57] <nmorse> hello
[04:57] <nmorse> I have to sometimes
[04:57] <nmorse> Like making Neverwinter Nights modules
[04:57] <nmorse> Not for the Aurora Toolset
[04:58] <nmorse> You need a dadgum custom version of WINE for that
[04:58] <nmorse> apt-get moo, eh?
[04:59] <nmorse> s/in/if/
[04:59] <nmorse> anyone?
[04:59] <nmorse> BTW, the GRUB manpage sucks
[04:59] <nmorse> And the info page appears to be identical
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> i have very useful advice concerning grub
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> use lilo :D
[05:00] <sproingie> still wouldn't have any descriptions or custom objects tho
[05:00] <nmorse> sproingie: good idea
[05:00] <nmorse> Computer__Guru: I'd love to
[05:00] <jeanluc> $nmores hi
[05:00] <nmorse> But it's too late now
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> naw its not
[05:00] <nmorse> If I can't boot it it is
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> pico /etc/lilo.conf && /sbin/lilo
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> oh
[05:00] <sproingie> moo is typically full of fun social features too.  and descriptions
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> use a live cd
[05:01] <nmorse> I'm using a Morphix CD right now to work on it
[05:01] <Computer__Guru> im going to the store, bbiaf
[05:01] <nmorse> But it won't let me use apt-get because it won't fetch names
[05:01] <nmorse> Which leaves me wondering who's idea it was to use GRUB as the bootloader?
[05:01] <frank> nmorse: grub is fine
[05:02] <pax> what's wrong with grub?
[05:02] <nmorse> GRUB is not fine if it doesn't work
[05:02] <nmorse> What's the command to restore an MBR with GRUB?
[05:02] <nmorse> Anyone?
[05:02] <nmorse> That's the dadgum problem with GRUB
[05:02] <frank> sudo grub-install
[05:03] <michael> how can I reupgrade kopete?/
[05:03] <frank> but you would need to do it chrooted in your ubuntu installation probably
[05:03] <jeanluc> sudo apt-get isntall kopete
[05:03] <nmorse> Which appears to be impossible at the moment
[05:04] <frank> why?
[05:04] <nmorse> I can't seem to convince Morphix I need to chroot to /mnt/hda2
[05:04] <nmorse> And why isn't grub-install mentioned in the GRUB manpage?
[05:04] <frank> nmorse: You have to mount the partition first
[05:04] <nmorse> It's mounted
[05:04] <nmorse> I assure you
[05:04] <nmorse> Who'
[05:04] <nmorse> s idea was it to leave grub-install out of the manpage?
[05:05] <frank> then  chroot /mnt/ubuntu /bin/bash   or whatever
[05:05] <michael> when i try to do the 'apt-get install kopete' it won't let me because i have the newest version, but i want to reinstall it
[05:06] <pax> type grub, then run: grub> root (hd0,0) grub> setup (hd0) grub> quit :)
[05:06] <nmorse> Where are the info or man pages for all of these commands?
[05:06] <pax> info grub
[05:07] <nmorse> That returns the man page
[05:07] <nmorse> Something's not right here
[05:07] <pax> didnt you ask for man pages?
[05:07] <nmorse> The man page has none of that in it
[05:08] <nmorse> None
[05:08] <nmorse> A lovely undocumented bootloader
[05:09] <sproingie> grub is a gnu thing.  man pages are for dirty plebian scum.  you shall use info, and bask in its resplendence
[05:09] <pax> nmorse: tried: apropos grub ?
[05:09] <nmorse> apropos?
[05:10] <nmorse> sproingie: the info page is identical to the man page except for the FSF at the top
[05:10] <pax> apropos is keyword finder
[05:10] <sproingie> nmorse: that's rich
[05:10] <nmorse> I just learned something
[05:10] <nmorse> Thank you pax
[05:10] <sproingie> pax: man -k works as well
[05:10] <sproingie> grub has some separate documentation in /usr/share/doc i think
[05:10] <pax> same thing, apropos is one word
[05:11] <sproingie> you might need to install grub-doc or something
[05:11] <michael> where is the sources.list?
[05:12] <sproingie> shouldn't need it, it should be in main
[05:12] <frank>  /etc/apt/source.list
[05:12] <sproingie> oh, where the file itself is
[05:13] <nmorse> So what happens when GRUB says disk does not exist?
[05:13] <frank> when?
[05:13] <nmorse> root (hd0,0) Error 21: Selected disk does not exist
[05:14] <frank> err....
[05:14] <nmorse> This is chrooted in to the install from Morphix
[05:14] <nmorse> grub-install fails with a bunch of /dev/null: Permission denied errors
[05:15] <jeanluc> we
[05:15] <jeanluc_v_2> we
[05:15] <jeanluc_v_2> 2 of me
[05:15] <jeanluc> 2 of me
[05:16] <pax> grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda (exemple)
[05:16] <pax> update-grub
[05:18] <nmorse> It's amazing how none of this works
[05:19] <nmorse> God, the second I get this running I'm switching back to lilo
[05:20] <nmorse> Does anyone know why the installer doesn't offer the option to use one or the other anyway?
[05:21] <calc> nmorse: the reason it doesn't work is that you mounted the drive with nodev
[05:21] <calc> morphix mounts drives by default with the dev files disabled
[05:21] <nmorse> Hmm, but how to make morphix change its /etc/fstab
[05:21] <calc> just like with knoppix
[05:21] <frank> I thought pretty much everyone used grub now. 
[05:21] <nmorse> Why would you use grub?
[05:21] <calc> nmorse: edit it with vi or something
[05:21] <calc> grub is much better than lilo
[05:21] <nmorse> For what?
[05:21] <calc> for boot loader
[05:21] <nmorse> It's more of a pain for sure, though the editing boot options thing is nice
[05:22] <calc> for one thing you don't have to install it every time you install a new kernel
[05:22] <nmorse> It's a generic bootloader, not a linux loader
[05:22] <calc> you can't change options of the fly
[05:22] <calc> etc
[05:22] <nmorse> I don't need Partition Magic, I need to boot my linux system
[05:22] <calc> lilo is just old crap that is near useless
[05:22] <jeanluc> delete windows partiions
[05:22] <nmorse> Near useless?
[05:22] <jeanluc> then linux should start just fine
[05:23] <pax> grub is better because: you can discover boot images, kernels, root filesystems from the grub shell. It stores boot info in filesystem rather than in the MBR. It reads filesystems and kernel rather than inflexibly restrict the user to disk geo and most important, it is OS independant
[05:23] <calc> with grub you can hit e on the thing you want to boot and actually edit the command line options right there or even select another kernel that isn't in the list off your fs
[05:23] <nmorse> lilo works, all the time, and is easy to fix after what I've just done
[05:23] <calc> i guess the feature i use the most of grub is that you can edit the kernel command line options while you are in the boot loader itself
[05:24] <calc> you can also network boot from grub if you need to
[05:24] <calc> but i don't use that much
[05:24] <nmorse> I've used the feature once
[05:24] <nmorse> To turn on inotify to try it
[05:24] <nmorse> In lilo I would have made another entry
[05:24] <pax> calc <e> yes, I like that
[05:24] <frank> The best thing I know about grub is that it's "Grand" lol
[05:24] <nmorse> Now I'm paying for that by having to mess with everything
[05:26] <pax> in worst case senario you can use Knoppix CD to restore it :)
[05:26] <nmorse> Hopefully now this will work
[05:26] <nmorse> Morphix and Knoppix are pretty close in rescue capabilities
[05:26] <nmorse> Nowhere near the Woody CD
[05:26] <nmorse> Woody Disk 1 is the ultimate rescue CD
[05:27] <calc> knoppix works good for me i just have to always fix the fstab
[05:27] <calc> since it wants to help you out by making all partitions nodev
[05:27] <nmorse> There we go, the commands fixed it finally
[05:27] <nmorse> Though it reinserted GRUB entries that don't boot
[05:27] <nmorse> Because they don't exist
[05:27] <nmorse> Why it does that is beyond me
[05:28] <nmorse> Anyway, enough GRUB bashing for today
[05:28] <calc> nmorse: which entries?
[05:29] <nmorse> Custome kernels I made
[05:29] <nmorse> and then apt-get removed
[05:29] <calc> they aren't in /boot ?
[05:29] <nmorse> Nope
[05:30] <nmorse> And the kernel packages are purged actually
[05:30] <calc> hmm i've never seen update-grub create dead entries before
[05:30] <calc> the file it references isn't on the disk either?
[05:32] <nmorse> Nope
[05:32] <nmorse> It boggles the mind
[05:32] <calc> very strange
[05:32] <nmorse> But no more!
[05:32] <nmorse> Lilo shall be on the disk immediately
[05:33] <calc> you could strace the update-grub command to see where it is looking
[05:33] <nmorse> I could
[05:35] <nmorse> But first I have to go rescue my brother from "I locked the keys in the car" hell
[05:35] <nmorse> Buys a new car, and the first thing he does: Lock the keys in it
[05:36] <zaudragon> nmorse: wow that's... unthoughtful
[05:39] <nmorse> Yeah, and now I must rescue him
[05:40] <pax> tell your bro about find, man find :D
[05:40] <zaudragon> or locate
[05:40] <zaudragon> man locate :D
[05:49] <ermac> how do i install BMP?
[05:49] <ermac> beep media player
[05:49] <calc> apt-get install beep-media-player
[05:49] <zaudragon> aww you beat me
[05:49] <zaudragon> don't you need the sudo?
[05:50] <ermac> thx calc 
[05:50] <calc> er yea that too
[05:50] <zaudragon> sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[05:50] <zaudragon> ^ full command ^
[05:50] <zaudragon> does Kubuntu come with Kopete?
[05:50] <calc> sudo su -
[05:50] <calc> then run whatever :)
[05:51] <zaudragon> why sudo su?
[05:51] <calc> well if you want full root you can do that instead of enabling root password
[05:51] <pax> sudo -s -H (if you are tired of using sudo)
[05:51] <pax> ..and have no root account
[05:52] <zaudragon> heh
[05:52] <pax> well, I mean you didnt create one.
[05:52] <calc> pax: that doesn't setup the entire root env though (i think?)
[05:52] <ermac> calc: apt-get install beep-media-player          >> it says i have to be root
[05:53] <ermac> how do i login as root on KDE
[05:53] <pax> calc: no clue.
[05:53] <calc> ermac: run the sudo in front like zaudragon said
[05:53] <calc> su - makes your su a login shell like if you had logged in directly
[05:54] <zaudragon> calc: ermac is gone :D
[05:54] <calc> i was referring to pax wrt su -
[05:54] <calc> ermac seemed to have left immediately after telling him to use sudo, though it could have been timing issue
[05:55] <pax> ermac wanted to run x as root it seems, bad bad boy
[05:56] <zaudragon> OS X?
[05:56] <zaudragon> ?!
[05:56] <pax> KDE.
[05:56] <zaudragon> how do you run KDE as root anyways
[05:56] <pax> why would you do such thing?
[05:57] <zaudragon> I dunno
[05:57] <zaudragon> but how would you in the beginning?
[05:57] <zaudragon> oh I know
[05:57] <zaudragon> I think
[05:57] <zaudragon> console mode: sudo kde
[05:57] <zaudragon> or something to that effect
[05:57] <zaudragon> eh?
[05:57] <ermac`> how do i setup the root account? because i cant access it?
[05:57] <pax> zaudragon: no body in their right mind run x as root
[05:58] <ermac`> its my first run on kubuntu
[05:58] <mr_roboto> it already starts as root if you boot to a graphical login
[05:58] <pax> ermac`: you dont need root, use sudo or sudo -s -H
[05:58] <ermac`> always?
[05:58] <ermac`> sudo
[05:58] <zaudragon> ermac`: I guess you're an OS X user
[05:58] <mr_roboto> the init process (pid 1) is the one that kicks it off
[05:58] <mr_roboto> init is always owned by root
[05:58] <mr_roboto> has to be
[05:58] <zaudragon> ermac`: not like the superuser account on OS X at all
[05:59] <ermac`> ok
[05:59] <ermac`> hmmz
[05:59] <ermac`> i try to apt-get install beep-media-player
[05:59] <pax> by x I mean desktop environment asin Gnome or KDE
[05:59] <ermac`> but it says the packet could not be found
[05:59] <mr_roboto> just do a ps -ef |grep kdm
[06:00] <ermac`> i try to sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[06:00] <ermac`> but it says the packet could not be found
[06:00] <zaudragon> try bmp instead of beep-media-player
[06:00] <pax> ermac`: check your sources.list
[06:00] <pax> zaudragon:  it is deep-media-player
[06:00] <pax> beep*
[06:00] <zaudragon> pax: that's what I said
[06:01] <zaudragon> pax: oh you mean not bmp
[06:01] <zaudragon> pax: gotcha
[06:01] <ermac`> pax i updated the sources list
[06:01] <ermac`> but it doesnt work
[06:01] <ermac`> first i did:
[06:01] <ermac`> sudo apt-get update
[06:01] <ermac`> then
[06:01] <pax> ermac`: I mean uncomment universal
[06:02] <ermac`> sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[06:02] <ermac`> pax
[06:02] <ermac`> wath should i do then?
[06:02] <pax> ermac`: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:03] <pax> universe not universal, gosh I'm lost :(
[06:10] <rhysticligh> hey
[06:11] <_joris> can someone give me the manualpage of the screenresolution...
[06:11] <rhysticligh> I am installing kubuntu for the first time and I just had a quick question
[06:11] <_joris> i want to setup my monitor etc
[06:12] <_joris> can someone give me the manualpage of the screenresolution...
[06:12] <rhysticligh> just want to make sure that if I tell it to install to a balank partition, it won't touch the other data on the physical drive that is in other partitions
[06:14] <_joris> can someone give me the manualpage of the screenresolution...
[06:51] <sproingie> where's libarts1-1.4.1?
[06:51] <sproingie> arts won't upgrade without it, and it's not showing up
[06:53] <bonk> how can I find my CARDLIST file in my kernel documentation?
[06:54] <bonk> *where
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> hi akk
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> anyone from india here ?
[07:21] <supernix> is it just me or is Thunderbird not filtering spam at all
[07:25] <chx>  hi. is there any way I can turn off checking crypto signatures in kmail? it's slow and I do not care...
[07:27] <FractuS> :/
[08:36] <FractuS> wats up here?
[08:36] <arcanistherogue> say, i need a bit of help installing dosbox
[08:57] <FractuS> this do not move :S
[09:19] <evilyoda> what's with the md5sum mismatches installing kubuntu-desktop from hoary?
[09:19] <buz> dont use us.archive
[09:21] <evilyoda> ok, thanks
[09:23] <evilyoda> the mirror works fine. Thanks for the quick help!
[09:27] <m0ns00n> :-)
[09:46] <dejavu> hi all
[09:46] <dejavu> ztonzy: r u there?
[09:46] <ztonzy> morning
[09:46] <ztonzy> dejavu, yes
[09:46] <dejavu> monin ha?
[09:47] <dejavu> :D
[09:47] <ztonzy> yepp
[09:47] <dejavu> its 3pm here ;)
[09:47] <dejavu> well, im having another problem :(
[09:48] <ztonzy> okej
[09:49] <dejavu> pls take a look at http://pastebin.com/313784
[09:49] <dejavu> error when compiling the cam driver
[09:49] <dejavu> but fyi, this one im using my mandrake10.0 box
[09:50] <dejavu> neither kubuntu
[09:51] <ztonzy> doesnt look like errors to me, just warnings
[09:52] <ztonzy> tried to install it ?
[09:52] <dejavu> yup, just warning but it resulting just a black-screen :(
 tried to install it ? <-- yup
[09:53] <ztonzy> black screen for webcam?
[09:53] <ztonzy> dejavu, I haven't read all info on drivers page...did you ?
[09:54] <dejavu> sorry, just a minute
[10:04] <dejavu> im back
 dejavu, I haven't read all info on drivers page...did you ? <-- i did
[10:06] <dejavu> but is said thats everythings will gonna be okay with kernel2.6.3
[10:06] <dejavu> btw im going to change my nick
[10:07] <ztonzy> kavakava, okej...hmmm
[10:07] <kavakava> hihi
[10:08] <kavakava> so...what can 'we' do? :-/
[10:08] <_P_> hi 
[10:08] <ztonzy> have no clue :-\
[10:08] <kavakava> :((
[10:08] <kavakava> hmm....
[10:08] <_P_> i can't use accent on kde o konsole but i can on shell 
[10:09] <_P_> any tips?
[10:09] <kavakava> btw, hi _P_
[10:14] <ztonzy> kavakava, you didnt read README :) ??
[10:14] <ztonzy> "KERNEL 2.6.3 is UNSUPPORTED !!"
[10:14] <kavakava> i did it bro
[10:14] <ztonzy> kavakava, change kernel
[10:14] <kavakava> what?
[10:14] <kavakava> let me take a look
[10:14] <ztonzy> in drivers package, the README
[10:15] <ztonzy> line 197
[10:15] <kavakava> Specifically, it has been tested against:
[10:15] <kavakava>  2.6.3           Compiles ok, with no warnings.
[10:15] <ztonzy> well...
[10:15] <kavakava> spca5xx-20041121 <-- this version
[10:16] <ztonzy> that what is said for me...just downloaded latest driverspackage
[10:16] <kavakava> coz the newer version is incompatible
[10:16] <ztonzy> http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca50x/Download/spca5xx-20050701.tar.gz
[10:16] <ztonzy> ok
[10:17] <kavakava> pls take a look at this http://lists.zerezo.com/spca50x-devs/msg00135.html
[10:17] <kavakava> then why i try the older version of driver
[10:17] <kavakava> and then it works, but still experience errors
[10:17] <ztonzy> well, I Dont know
[10:17] <kavakava> hiks..
[10:17] <boga> where can I grab azureus?
[10:17] <kavakava> :((
[10:18] <kavakava> ztonzy: tnx anyway bro, well i have something other to do
[10:19] <ztonzy> kavakava, okej, later
[10:57] <hoschi_mobil> hi.. could anyone plz tell me the name of the system-notification-modul, I want to start it without kcontrol
[11:36] <Computer__Guru> when you install the kubuntu desktop, you have other menus on the kicker besides the K menu.. how do I make such a menu and add it to the panel?
[11:37] <Computer__Guru> i dont see it anywhere on the add menu
[11:37] <liz4rd> i'm not sure you can
[11:37] <liz4rd> well you probly can
[11:37] <Computer__Guru> sure you can
[11:37] <liz4rd> just never seen how
[11:37] <Computer__Guru> kubuntu does it
[11:37] <Computer__Guru> ill ask in kde
[11:37] <liz4rd> i'm in xfce4 right now XD
[11:37] <liz4rd> ok
[11:39] <hussam> liz4rd: are using ubuntu's xfce or did you compile yourself?
[11:39] <liz4rd> compiled
[11:40] <Computer__Guru> ffr, you can just drag a folder from konqueror to the panel and it adds it ;)
[11:40] <liz4rd> oh
[11:40] <liz4rd> :P
[11:40] <liz4rd> dont like kde much
[11:40] <nikkia> Computer__Guru: i think if you create a new menu in the menu editor, you can just add that menu as a button
[11:40] <hussam> liz4rd: did you enable compositor?
[11:41] <Computer__Guru> nikkia just drag n drop a folder from konqueror to the panel :)
[11:41] <liz4rd> yes, but i dont know how to get drop shadows
[11:41] <nikkia> Computer__Guru: i've done it before on my work machine, but it was ages ago, and I can't remember how I did it
[11:41] <nikkia> Computer__Guru: that's not how i did it before
[11:41] <Computer__Guru> im giving myself a new look.. getting tired of osx
[11:41] <Computer__Guru> it works though :)
[11:41] <hussam> liz4rd: same problem here. I enabled compositor but I'm getting not drop shadows.
[11:42] <liz4rd> yeah, kinda shitty
[11:42] <hussam> liz4rd: it should give drop shadows automatically
[11:43] <hussam> liz4rd: any idea what could be wrong? I configured xorg.conf but still get no drop shadows.
[11:43] <nikkia> did you *really* enable composite ?
[11:44] <hussam> yes I compiled xfce with enable composite flag
[11:44] <nikkia> bear in mind, by default, composite and GLX cannot co-exist, you have to force them to co-exist (and its very buggy if they're both enabled)
[11:44] <hussam> nikkia: how do you force them?
[11:44] <nikkia> so you might enable composite in Xorg, but if GLX is enabled (it will be, most likely) composite gets turned off again :)
[11:45] <hussam> so I should disable glx?
[11:45] <nikkia> hussam, Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
[11:46] <nikkia> if you're using ATI, you need Option "backingstore" "true"    too, apparently
[11:46] <liz4rd> lmfao @ ATI
[11:47] <nikkia> liz4rd: some people still buy their cards *shrug*
[11:47] <liz4rd> lol what a shame
[11:47] <hussam> nikkia: I already have "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true" under Section "Device" using Nvidia Geforce fx 5200
[11:48] <nikkia> hussam, do you have   Option "RenderAccel" "true" ?
[11:48] <nikkia> you might need that too
[11:48] <hussam> yup
[11:48] <hussam> I still get drop shadows in kde 3.4.1 but not in xfce
[11:49] <hussam> this however used to work in my previous distro before I switched over to Kubuntu.
[11:49] <nikkia> oh, dunno, don't use xfce
[11:49] <liz4rd> xfce4 is the shiznet
[11:49] <liz4rd> :P
[11:50] <hussam> liz4rd: lol
[11:50] <nikkia> oh, ffs, MMS spam from one of my cell providers
[11:50] <nikkia> and to think i thought SMS spam was annoying
[11:50] <liz4rd> lol
[11:51] <hussam> nikkia: I get spam messges on my cell phone too.
[11:51] <nikkia> hussam: MMS ?
[11:51] <nikkia> SMS spam is common
[11:51] <nikkia> MMS spam, this is the first i've seen
[11:51] <liz4rd> WTF, how is that?
[11:51] <hussam> no just sms spam
[11:51] <hussam> i just got one sms about a Pizza Hut ad.
[11:51] <liz4rd> LOL
[11:52] <liz4rd> lol
[11:53] <liz4rd> :P
[11:53] <nikkia> liz4rd: its been very flakey recently :/
[11:53] <liz4rd> how so?
[11:54] <nikkia> liz4rd: its been down a lot, and the IG->gmail gateway has been down a lot as well
[11:54] <liz4rd> hmm
[11:54] <nikkia> so much so that i'm almost tempted to take gmail off IG
[11:54] <liz4rd> IG?
[11:54] <nikkia> (i have IG set as my homepage)
[11:54] <nikkia> liz4rd: 'MyGoogle'
[11:54] <nikkia> www.google.com/ig
[11:55] <liz4rd> oh cool
[11:55] <nikkia> its basically a portal to google, that's customised, shows you your gmail message count, any replies to your posts on google groups, etc
[11:55] <nikkia> but recently, all its shown for the gmail section is 'There is currently a problem receiving your gmail account'
[11:56] <liz4rd> hmm
[11:56] <nikkia> i think its related to change from gmail->google mail
[11:56] <nikkia> to the change, that is
[12:01] <liz4rd> lol when i google weather for my postalcode (i live in canada) a link to phrack comess up :P
[12:15] <snikker> hi, someone know how need the directory "/.dev"  (not "/dev") ?
[02:13] <hussam> how can query the version of a library package from command line?
[02:21] <paines> hi
[02:23] <uniq> hussam: dpkg --status packagename. example: dpkg --status zlib1g
[02:23] <uniq> hi paines.
[02:23] <hussam> uniq: ok thanks
[02:33] <ep> Running konsole, I prefer ls to use color.  Somebody told me how to set an alais for this yesterday but it wasnt permanent.  How can I make this permanent.
[02:34] <ep> Also 'alias -p' lists nothing on my kubuntu system.   Doesn't a normal install set up some aliases by default?  
[02:40] <boga> How can I install KOffice 1.4?
[02:40] <kinslayer> hi
[02:40] <kalenedrael> boga, apt-get install it
[02:41] <apokryphos> boga: you'll need to add the new repositories first; see /topic
[02:41] <apokryphos> hi kinslayer :)
[02:41] <kalenedrael> not necessarily
[02:41] <boga> ok
[02:41] <kalenedrael> what the heck?
[02:41] <kalenedrael> i did no such thing
[02:41] <kinslayer> anyone else having loads of trouble with kubuntu?
[02:42] <kalenedrael> what the...
[02:42] <kalenedrael> how am i able to change the topic?
[02:42] <apokryphos> kalenedrael: necessarily... unless you're running breezy, you need the 1.4 repo
[02:42] <apokryphos> kalenedrael: it's open
[02:42] <kalenedrael> oh
[02:42] <kalenedrael> i use archive.ubuntu.com
[02:43] <apokryphos> Good
[02:43] <ep> I'm trying to learn about the alias so I use Konqueror and do man:alias and get "No man page matching to alias found".  What am I doing wrong?
[02:44] <apokryphos> ep: you can't learn about it from a man page if it doesn't exist
[02:44] <ep> how can I learn about it then?
[02:45] <apokryphos> ep: install libalias-perl and you'll be able to view it
[02:45] <ep> other optiions?
[02:45] <apokryphos> Internet, maybe?
[02:46] <ep> shouldn't kubuntu of set up some aliases by default?  When I do 'alias -p' it lists nothing.  
[02:47] <boga> kalenedrael: Thanks for the help. I am now installing the beast! Where do I get the other commands like `/topic'?
[02:47] <kalenedrael> /help
[02:48] <ep> I want to get color when I do a ls command in konsole for instance. I did an alias to do this but it wasn't permanent.  Forgot what i did, too:)
[02:49] <ep> and why wouldn't the alias command be in the man page?  Shouldn't bash commands be there?
[02:50] <nikkia> ep, there are hundreds of bash commands, most of them are in the bash man page
[02:50] <nikkia> it would clutter the man page system too much for them all to be listed in seperate pages
[02:51] <nikkia> there are a handful of commands that link a man page to bash's, but they are the important ones, alias isn't really 'important'
[02:52] <ep> ok thanks for clearing that up
[02:52] <nikkia> i'm a little puzzled why ls isn't already aliased to 'ls --color=auto' on your system tho, that is the default setting on kubuntu as far as i can tell
[02:52] <nikkia> altho i'll be honest and admit i can't find wtf it is aliased...
[02:53] <qbit> man dir_colors
[02:53] <nikkia> apparently, /etc/skel/.bashrc
[02:53] <nikkia> which should get copied to ~/.bashrc when an account is created
[02:54] <ep> I'm puzzled by it too.  I orginally did a ubuntu install and then #kubuntu-desktop
[02:54] <nikkia> ep, did you delete .bashrc from your home directory ?
[02:54] <nikkia> or perhaps its a difference between ubuntu and kubuntu
[02:55] <ep> not on purpose:)
[02:55] <ep> let me see whats there now
[02:56] <kalenedrael> if that doesn't work i think you will have to use dircolors
[02:56] <nikkia> http://pastebin.com/313859
[02:56] <nikkia> ep, that's the section of my ~/.bashrc that is relevant
[02:57] <ep> That file doesn't exist nikkia can I just create it ie. touch ~/.bashrc   and then paste in your text (havent looked at it yet)
[02:58] <nikkia> ep, no, do 'cp /etc/skel/.bashrc ~/.bashrc'
[02:58] <nikkia> its easier, and should already have the alias in anyway
[02:58] <ep> i'll do that and then compare it to yours for kicks:)
[03:03] <ep> Do I need to end session to see all this in action?
[03:04] <apokryphos> ep: yeah
[03:04] <ep> brb
[03:04] <apokryphos> Konsole will read .bashrc on startup
[03:04] <apokryphos> noo, I didn't mean logout :P
[03:08] <apokryphos> ep: didn't logout of KDE did you?
[03:08] <ep> I did an end session, yes
[03:09] <apokryphos> :|
[03:09] <apokryphos> You only needed to open a new Konsole..
[03:09] <ep> oh:)
[03:09] <ep> well it works anyway... life is good.  Thanks!
[03:10] <apokryphos> Cool! Thank nikkia ;-)
[03:10] <ep> Thany you nikkia 
[03:18] <apokryphos> BBC greatest Philosopher vote just went to Karl Marx with 27.93% of the votes. :|
[03:22] <McScruff> is there an app like osx's spotlight?
[03:22] <martinjh99> Whats the name of the application that asks for the password?  I want to add a button to my panel thats the equivalent of 'sudo kcontrol'
[03:22] <apokryphos> martinjh99: kdesu
[03:22] <martinjh99> McScruff> Is that Beagle your after?  Thats desktop search...
[03:22] <McScruff> ty
[03:22] <martinjh99> Cheers Apok... ;)
[03:23] <martinjh99> McScruff theres instructions on installing on Ubuntu on the Beagle Wiki Page...  Not sure where that is though.
[03:23] <nikkia> be careful with beagle if you use things like bittorrent :)
[03:23] <apokryphos> !beagle
[03:23] <ubotu> apokryphos: I haven't a clue
[03:23] <nikkia> beagle attempts to load *all* of a file into ram to index it, and if you have anything like, oh say, a 4GB .rar file kicking around, that can be rather painful
[03:23] <qbit> martinjh99: you can add this to anything by editing the properties and drilling down to advanced and check the section "run as" and making it root
[03:24] <apokryphos> Is Beagle any good? Never used it
[03:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: its ok, a long way off being 'great'
[03:24] <qbit> martinjh99: then it will pop up the box and ask you for root's passwd
[03:24] <Riddell> I've never got beagle to work
[03:24] <apokryphos> ubotu: beagle is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryBeagleInstallHowto
[03:25] <ubotu> apokryphos: okay
[03:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: a major flaw is that it only works on your home dir
[03:25] <martinjh99> qbit Just added it infront of the command...
[03:25] <apokryphos> nikkia: what exactly is it?
[03:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: 'desktop searching'
[03:26] <apokryphos> Ohh, I remember now. Used it once on gnome
[03:26] <nikkia> but being unable to search for where things are configured system wide, reduces its usability, IMO
[03:26] <Riddell> there is also Kat for KDE
[03:26] <apokryphos> Why can't it? Isn't pretty silly?
[03:26] <Riddell> stilsl very up-and-coming
[03:26] <kalenedrael> i like 'locate' for searching
[03:26] <nikkia> you still find yourself doing fgrep -ir blah /etc and so on
[03:27] <nikkia> kalenedrael: beagle et al do far more than filename matching
[03:27] <nikkia> which is all locate can do
[03:27] <kalenedrael> yeah
[03:27] <kalenedrael> but locate is fast
[03:28] <apokryphos> Yeah, from that page: "The latest releases of Beagle (0.0.8 and 0.0.9) can not be run in Hoary"
[03:30] <martinjh99> Kat?
[03:30] <apokryphos> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22135
[03:32] <apokryphos> Looks pretty nice/organised
[03:33] <martinjh99> Apok> Looks nice too.  Going to dump in my repo... ;)
[03:34] <apokryphos> .deb looked a little dodgy; extracting it gave some errors (though it installed). Gonna compile
[03:34] <martinjh99> Let me know what extra libs you need and I'll have a go at it too!  Sounds interesting...
[03:35] <nikkia> one nice thing (if you're not paranoid) about beagle, is the firefox plugin...
[03:36] <apokryphos> nikkia: paranoid? On what grounding?
[03:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: every page you access in firefox, gets indexed by beagle
[03:37] <kalenedrael> yeah...
[03:37] <nikkia> apokryphos: if you visit stuff you don't want a trace of, on your PC, then you need to flush the beagle indexes as well as your firefox caches
[03:37] <nikkia> personally, it doesn't bother me, but i can see how it would 'worry' some paranoid folk :)
[03:37] <apokryphos> That doesn't seem much worse than browser history
[03:38] <nikkia> apokryphos: its not, but its two places to clear, rather than one, if you're of a paranoid disposition
[03:38] <nikkia> apokryphos: some people get really worked up by that kind of stuff *shrug*
[03:39] <nikkia> personally, i found it useful to have a searchable form of pages i'd visited
[03:39] <apokryphos> Since I use three browsers, I'd have to in theory clear all those anyhow :|
[03:39] <apokryphos> yeah, definitely
[03:40] <apokryphos> martinjh99: has some higher dependencies http://pastebin.com/313876
[03:40] <nikkia> the big problem with all the desktop search systems tho, is that none of the x86 OS's on the market are really orientated towards applying desktop searches to them
[03:41] <martinjh99> Apok - Doesn't look like you can do it then...
[03:41] <apokryphos> I'd still say my searching on Linux is more effective with locate and grep
[03:41] <nikkia> you really need OS level support for 'file modified' callbacks, and while linux has support for file notifications, the modules involved tend to have limits that make them unuseful for desktop searching
[03:42] <martinjh99> I have been able to find binaries just by locate file |grep bin
[03:42] <apokryphos> nikkia: Interesting. Do you think the current system is likely to change?
[03:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: eventually, yes
[03:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: this kind of thing is the whole point to stuff like winfs
[03:43] <nikkia> i imagine linux will end up morphing in that direction eventually too
[03:43] <apokryphos> nikkia: how good do you think LH will turn out to be? Lot of hype, lot of [questionable]  bad reviews.
[03:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: as it stands now, a complete failure
[03:44] <nikkia> its not enough of an upgrade
[03:44] <nikkia> of course, as it was originally envisioned: a complete failure :)
[03:44] <apokryphos> Really? And it's been one of the biggest gaps between a release
[03:44] <apokryphos> hehe
[03:44] <nikkia> remember, originally, longhorn was going to be 'no native executables'
[03:44] <nikkia> everything was .NET or bust
[03:45] <apokryphos> Heh, I didn't know that, no.
[03:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: MS was banking on the xbox to alieviate any 'OMG games are too slow' concern, i think
[03:45] <jpatrick> 5 year project and what a waste of time
[03:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: what have they done to justify that 'biggest gaps between a release' tho ?
[03:45] <apokryphos> nikkia: sounds like a stretch ;-).
[03:45] <nikkia> all it is, atm, is a theme update
[03:45] <nikkia> that's it, a new theme, whooooopeee
[03:46] <apokryphos> The release kept getting delayed, didn't it?
[03:46] <apokryphos> Quite a few times I think
[03:46] <apokryphos> nikkia: I find the new theme ugly. It's just like XP but blue-er :|
[03:46] <jpatrick> yep
[03:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: but with each delay, they removed a few features from the 'new' list
[03:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: itym 'blacker'
[03:46] <nikkia> the latest LH bets have black backgrounds on widgets
[03:46] <Fraeon> nikkia: Ironic since a lot of xbox games seem to have framerate issues.
[03:46] <nikkia> bets=betas
[03:47] <Fraeon> At least KotOR, Jade Empire, Fable and Halo do.
[03:47] <nikkia> Fraeon: the other consoles are just as bad with frame rate issues though
[03:47] <apokryphos> but IE 7 is going to have support for trans PNGs! Wow!
[03:47] <jpowers> apokryphos: did you try the ubuntu deb?
[03:48] <apokryphos> jpowers: yup, it works/installs, but gives errors on the install.
[03:48] <jpowers> apokryphos: I don't have any issues with the ubuntu deb for kat
[03:48] <martinjh99> Apok> Never used IE for years...  Firefox and Thunderbird for me...
[03:48] <apokryphos> jpowers: installing it gave no dependency errors?
[03:48] <jpowers> apokryphos: correct.
[03:48] <apokryphos> :|
[03:49] <_nova> How do I install gkrellm?
[03:49] <jpowers> apokryphos: you sure you got the ubuntu one and not the debian one?
[03:49] <apokryphos> Heh, no. Didn't notice one
[03:49] <apokryphos> thanks
[03:49] <jpowers> _nova: sudo apt-get install gkrellm
[03:49] <nikkia> apok, if you follow the link to the sourceforge page...
[03:49] <jpowers> _nova: also, apt-cache search gkrellm will give you a list of modules you can install.
[03:50] <apokryphos> Yeah, got it thanks.
[03:50] <jpowers> s/modules/monitors
[03:50] <_nova> jpowers: Didn't find package gkrellm
[03:50] <jpowers> !universe
[03:50] <ubotu> ask me about !repositories
[03:50] <jpowers> !repositories
[03:50] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:51] <apokryphos> Are people likely to even turn to Linux because of Longhorn's failure?
[03:51] <jpatrick> maybe
[03:51] <apokryphos> I think more would actually go to Mac. User-friendly-wise, I think it probably beats it hands down.
[03:51] <jpowers> not unless they have some outside stimulus to switch, apokryphos 
[03:52] <jpowers> er, re: linux, not mac
[03:52] <apokryphos> yup
[03:52] <jpowers> I definitely advocate linux more and more, the more user-friendly it gets.
[03:52] <jpowers> I end up having to tech-support my friends anyway, regardless of OS
[03:53] <apokryphos> I'm still weary of recommending it to some of my friends. Of the last three one never used it, and the other two asked me for the same command about 10 times =)
[03:53] <jpowers> at least with linux I don't feel dumber after each time I remote into their box to fix something.
[03:53] <apokryphos> you need to want to get into it, really.
[03:53] <_nova> As a new-new user (Having tried linux about 2 years ago) I'd say it's definitly moving in the right direction, user-friendly wise
[03:53] <Fraeon> I think people would rather just whine about problems in their OS than bother to see whether there are any alternatives
[03:54] <apokryphos> Yeah, GNOME and KDE are dedicating more time now, I think, to improving usability etc.
[03:54] <jpowers> _nova: sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:54] <nikkia> apokryphos: if longhorn fails, it'll just mean people stick with XP
[03:54] <apokryphos> probably more gnome I'd say than KDE at the moment. Spoke to someone not too long ago who gave me a full psychological analysis of why they do x, y and z
[03:55] <jpowers> _nova: and then remove the # sign from the repo's containing "universe"
[03:55] <apokryphos> nikkia: I dunno. I think It could really be a time for Mac to rise up. Tried one the other day; affects/wobbly windows etc. are unrivalled. And of course people love stuff like that
[03:55] <apokryphos> though, people would first go for the "easier to use" option
[03:55] <nikkia> apokryphos: the problem is, i think apple have shot themselves in the foot
[03:55] <apokryphos> how so?
[03:56] <nikkia> apokryphos: once people see a apple P4 on the shelf next to a dell P4, at $3000 vs $300, i don't think apple'll survive in h/w very long
[03:56] <nikkia> apokryphos: remember, cost is NOT the reason they're switching to x86, they pay less for a G5 than the lowest P4 anyway
[03:57] <jpowers> I don't think P4 is the reason to switch to intel
[03:57] <jpowers> PM is.
[03:57] <apokryphos> nikkia: what is the reason?
[03:57] <nikkia> jpowers: either way, their machines won't be any cheaper than they are now
[03:57] <nikkia> apokryphos: production capacity, apparently
[03:58] <_nova> I need to kill synaptic, it hanged. How?
[03:58] <nikkia> IBM have been falling over on yield, apparently, which makes me worry about how the next-gen consoles will do supply-wise :)
[03:58] <jpowers> apokryphos: also failure to deliver a mobile G5.
[03:58] <jpowers> _nova: pkill synaptic
[03:58] <jpowers> _nova: or just click the x in the upper right hand corner of the window
[03:58] <nikkia> still, i was a level 1 xbox-360 pre-order, so i should be ok
[03:58] <apokryphos> Price of PS3 has shot up, hasn't it? I doubt that'll affect the sales too much
[03:58] <_nova> the x does nothing
[03:59] <nikkia> people in level 2 or 3 might have trouble :)
[03:59] <jpowers> _nova: it usually does after a few seconds if the program is actually hung.
[03:59] <apokryphos> _nova: Ctrl + Alt + Esc then click on synaptic, or "sudo killall synaptic"
[03:59] <_nova> I clicked it about a minute ago it still hangs
[03:59] <_nova> apokryphos: thanks, that worked
[04:01] <_nova> I did the apt-cache search and it said it couldn't find the source list and then a link
[04:01] <apokryphos> at lest in open source
[04:01] <nikkia> apokryphos: personally, i don't see google as 'the good guys', i see them as 'scarily convincing people they'll do no evil'
[04:01] <apokryphos> nikkia: Summer of Code, donating servers to Wikipedia, all these new projects.. seem like very nice fellows ;-)
[04:02] <_nova> I love the google guys
[04:02] <nikkia> apokryphos: its that generous-ness that makes me weary of them
[04:02] <nikkia> apokryphos: i remember a similar buzz about yahoo, once upon a time
[04:03] <apokryphos> nikkia: why? It could be their game-plan, and it evidently seems to work for them...
[04:03] <apokryphos> Sort of a "we like you! you like us! Keep doing what you're doing ;-) "
[04:03] <nikkia> apokryphos: as i said, there was a similar buzz about yahoo in the mid 90s
[04:04] <apokryphos> nikkia: and what happened with them?
[04:04] <nikkia> apokryphos: they turned evil
[04:04] <apokryphos> :|
[04:04] <supernix> anyone got any clue on how to install and setup something that will update the Dydns site with a dynamic IP I have cable but it is dhcp
[04:04] <nikkia> with yahoo, it was pretty soon after their IPO
[04:04] <nikkia> so google have gotten further without turning to the dark side, but still, i'm weary
[04:05] <apokryphos> nikkia: what exactly did they do?
[04:05] <apokryphos> It still has the highest alexa rating
[04:05] <apokryphos> Just because they run so many different things
[04:05] <networx> i've installed firefox... but i click over firefox and firefox.sh and nothing happens :(
[04:05] <nikkia> apokryphos: everything became about profit, bigger corporations getting priority on updates to the directory, etc
[04:06] <jpowers> supernix: apt-cache search dyndns yields like 6 options, 4 of which look appropriate.
[04:06] <nikkia> apokryphos: joe user's directory updates went from '3 months for everyone' to 'you're not a big business, 48 months'
[04:06] <apokryphos> networx: you can get it from the repositories, you don't need to download it from the site.
[04:06] <jpowers> supernix: that's on my system, anyway
[04:06] <apokryphos> nikkia: woah
[04:06] <supernix> jpowers: which works best though ?
[04:06] <nikkia> apokryphos: and yes, 48 months IS about how long it took to get a dir. update at one point, if you weren't a big corp
[04:07] <supernix> I would prefer one with a GUI config
[04:07] <nikkia> apokryphos: which is why yahoo's directory really isn't updated anymore
[04:07] <apokryphos> Power and great responsibility, eh. I guess we can hope for the best with gewgle
[04:07] <jpowers> supernix: no idea.  I have an almost totally static IP
[04:07] <supernix> Lucky you jpowers 
[04:08] <supernix> I have cable but they change the IP from time to time to make sure your not using it for servers
[04:08] <apokryphos> It's Google's simplicity that everyone likes, too. Compare Yahoo/Google/Lycos homepage
[04:08] <Fraeon> It could be a lot more simpler too
[04:09] <Fraeon> No logos, no nothing
[04:09] <nikkia> apokryphos: for now, yes, but look at the new google homepage :)
[04:09] <nikkia> apokryphos: www.google.com/ig
[04:09] <apokryphos> Fraeon: I think that would be detrimental
[04:09] <apokryphos> nikkia: I don't think that one is going to take over -- just an option
[04:09] <nikkia> apokryphos: THAT is how google envision their homepage in the near future, and its scarily similar to yahoo in some ways :)
[04:10] <apokryphos> questoinable :P
[04:10] <nikkia> apokryphos: apparently, it is intended to be the default, eventually
[04:10] <jpowers> nikkia: default for what, though?
[04:10] <nikkia> apokryphos: another sign of impending evilness... is google groups
[04:10] <supernix> Uptime: 1 days, 18 hours and 19 minutes
[04:10] <apokryphos> nikkia: I think you'll still be able to select to have nothing extra. I doubt those extras will be compulsory
[04:10] <jpowers> nikkia: I can't imagine it being the default search page.
[04:10] <apokryphos> jpowers: the homepage
[04:10] <nikkia> apokryphos: look at how groups now gives priority to google's groups (the yahoo groups knock off) over any of the usenet groups
[04:11] <apokryphos> Google is of course getting a lot of power though. Also with the rumour of gwallet etc.
[04:11] <apokryphos> the whole "Gmail account" has a sneaking resemblance to what Microsoft hoped for the .NET passport
[04:11] <nikkia> apokryphos: there are some situations where if you search for something you KNOW exists on usenet, it just does not appear to be there unless you manually edit a usenet URL to use the specific group name
[04:11] <jpowers> I do worry about the amount of power google has.
[04:12] <apokryphos> nikkia: hah! 
[04:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: why are they masking usenet groups with their own? could it be because they can track useage for commercial means better on their own groups ?
[04:13] <Fraeon> http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=1301079
[04:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: the fact that google is so enamoured with the 'social web' concept is a touch scary too
[04:14] <nikkia> the 'social web' concept is a wet dream for advertisers :/
[04:14] <apokryphos> heh
[04:15] <apokryphos> They made the vast majority of their money last year just from ads though, didn't they?
[04:15] <nikkia> as they know friends tend to like similar things, and if they know user A bought item X, then there is a fair chance that A's friends B, C and D might be interested in X too
[04:15] <nikkia> but the price is in privacy, now marketting people know who your friends are, etc
[04:16] <apokryphos> Because of their established reputation though, they're still seen as fine you'll see. I think a slashdot reply sums it up:
[04:16] <apokryphos> "Now Google can store my e-mail, remember my searches, know who all my friends are, know where I'm driving, and know all my finances :-D Good job!"
[04:16] <apokryphos> Google for world domination ;-)
[04:18] <apokryphos> nikkia: could be possible, but do you really think they'll degenerate into that?
[04:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: i don't know, and that's what scares me :)
[04:18] <apokryphos> "Greed is a bottomless pit which exhausts the person in an endless effort to satisfy the need without ever reaching satisfaction"
[04:19] <apokryphos> who knows :P. I think I'll judge them by their fruits for now -- so far so good.
[04:19] <nikkia> apokryphos: even if they don't ostensibly, its still a bit scary having one company have so much power over the way people interact with the web
[04:19] <nikkia> apokryphos: at very least, it gives the facist government thugs one place to send a affidavit to when they want to check you haven't committed a thought crime :)
[04:20] <nikkia> apokryphos: also, bear in mind that while the management today of google may 'do no evil', they will not be the management of google forever
[04:21] <apokryphos> True, but that's a potential problem in any company. You'd hope that the managers of today will employ managers of tomorrow who share similar outlooks
[04:21] <apokryphos> it's just more dangerous in this one since they'd have so much poer
[04:21] <nikkia> apokryphos: yes, it is, and thats why any company having so much power is scary
[04:21] <apokryphos> *power
[04:21] <nikkia> its a lesson we SHOULD have learnt from MS, Disney, etc :)
[04:22] <apokryphos> Thing is, outside won't intervene like they did with Lloyds trying to get Abbey
[04:23] <apokryphos> we could be seeing a whole different internet if the .NET passport had really taken off
[04:23] <nikkia> well, thankfully, MS doesn't really know what they're doing half the time :)
[04:24] <apokryphos> found the "log out after two hours feature" on MS to be pretty funny. They want it so that parents can monitor how long their children go on for :D
[04:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: likewise, if MS hadn't dropped the ball on internet support in the early days, it could be a whole different internet
[04:25] <Fraeon> If ARPANET hadn't existed, it could be a whole different internet
[04:25] <nikkia> Fraeon: as someone that adminned a uucp connection at one point, all i can say is 'urgh' :)
[04:26] <apokryphos> Don't know anything about them :|. Things to be better or worse?
[04:26] <Fraeon> And if stupidity didn't exist, it could be a whole different internet all together
[04:27] <nikkia> i always found it amusing that i was working for one of the creators of TCP/IP, and we were using a UUCP connection to the outside world
[04:28] <apokryphos> nikkia: working with it for long? 
[04:28] <Fraeon> At least we'd have the vast majority capable of spelling things coherently ;)
[04:28] <apokryphos> involved with the big fish 8)
[04:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, part of my hiring was to migrate to a proper net connection
[04:29] <apokryphos> ah
[04:29] <apokryphos> Ok, I gotta go out for now.
[04:29] <nikkia> you'd be surprised at how much work was involved with such a migration, really
[04:29] <nikkia> it wasn't a case of 'just call up an ISP and arrange a net connection'
[04:30] <supernix> uh oh I done it now
[04:30] <apokryphos> quite a strain, I'ms ure ;-)
[04:30] <Fraeon> But regarding this google thing: I switched to google when I found out that typing "Quake II" into altavista turned out a porn site on the first page
[04:30] <supernix> Synaptic has been running the installer for at least 5 minutes now to install one of those DynDNS clients
[04:30] <supernix> that is unusual for sure for it to take that long
[04:30] <apokaway> (oh, and thanks for the chat guys :))
[04:31] <apokaway> *and gal. Ok, now I'm really out..
[04:38] <jpowers> supernix: you could try just using apt-get
[05:35] <ubuntu> hi guys!
[05:35] <ubuntu> this is Leo!
[05:35] <ubuntu> LOL
[05:36] <ubuntu> i am using Kubantu..
[05:36] <ubuntu> quite cool
[05:39] <eolo> qualcuno me l'ha gi detto, ma... a che run level devo andare in kubuntu per disattivare xorg e installare nvidia-glx?
[05:39] <eolo> e qual' il comando
[05:39] <eolo> ????
[05:40] <fromoze> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[05:40] <fromoze> eolo: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[05:41] <eolo> grazie ( meravigliosa questa irc!!!)
[05:41] <eolo> sto imparando di pi qui che in mesi di tentativi
[05:42] <fromoze> ah ya no llego...
[05:42] <fromoze> french? english? Italiano como que no... latin clsico?
[05:48] <Riddell> fromoze: what language was he speaking?
[05:48] <fromoze> Italian Riddell
[05:49] <Riddell> fromoze: and you speak italian as well as spanish?
[05:49] <fromoze> no
[05:49] <kavakava> hi all
[05:49] <Riddell> just a lucky guesser? :)
[05:49] <kavakava> ztonzy...
[05:49] <fromoze> Riddell I understand a little, I talk just french, english, spanish, portuguese, brazilian xD
[05:50] <kavakava> hi Riddell, fromoze..
[05:50] <fromoze> hi
[05:50] <Riddell> hello kavakava 
[05:51] <kavakava> fromoze: u can talk 5 langs, great ;)
[05:51] <Riddell> fromoze: that'll be you on our translation team then :)
[05:51] <fromoze> well, not really xD
[05:52] <kavakava> rite Riddell:D
[05:52] <fromoze> Riddell: I can only translate to spanish an gallician... the other languages; I don't have the enough skill on computer-vocabulary
[05:53] <kavakava> btw, r u guys using squid-cache?
[05:55] <arpan> hi, i have just installed kubuntu. I want to install firefox but it dont seem to be there in kynaptic
[05:55] <arpan> what should I do?
[05:57] <arpan> hello, anyone around?
[05:57] <fromoze> hi
[05:58] <fromoze> arpan: what about your sources.list?
[06:00] <Bubbling_Zombie> arpan, try enabling your universe repesotories (woohoo for spelling \o/ )
[06:01] <rrey> hi all :)
[06:04] <gigaclon> question about Konversation, how do i get the tabs to change color on new text in a channel
[06:08] <_arpan> Bubbling_Zombie: you said that I should enable the universal repo, right? But how dp i do that?
[06:09] <gigaclon> !repositories
[06:09] <Bubbling_Zombie> sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:09] <ubotu> I heard repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:09] <Bubbling_Zombie> and read the comments
[06:09] <Bubbling_Zombie> (and read that page -_- )
[06:09] <_arpan> k
[06:09] <Bubbling_Zombie> you might want to use nano instead of vi tho :)
[06:10] <_arpan> no Bubbling_Zombie , i am a VI addict
[06:10] <eolo> hi guys, i've installed mplayer, but images come out small and i don't know how to enlarge it
[06:11] <Bubbling_Zombie> lol, same here. But you never know _arpan
[06:11] <_arpan> i was on FC4 until 2 hours ago
[06:11] <Bubbling_Zombie> :)
[06:11] <_arpan> you never know what Bubbling_Zombie 
[06:11] <Bubbling_Zombie> imagine that they send a former-windows user who just installed (k)ubuntu/linux into the vi environment
[06:11] <Bubbling_Zombie> "there, edit stuff !)
[06:13] <gigaclon> question about Konversation, how do i get the tabs to change color on new text in a channel
[06:16] <gigaclon> like x-chat
[06:16] <_arpan> Bubbling_Zombie: yeah, that would be a BIG shock to him
[06:22] <tiago> helloo
[06:22] <tiago> i need help
[06:22] <tiago> i just install kubuntu
[06:23] <tiago> if some one could help me please say so
[06:23] <fromoze> tiago 
[06:23] <tiago> hi fromoze 
[06:23] <fromoze> yes?
[06:23] <tiago> i cant access my ntfs partitions
[06:23] <fromoze> where are you from? Brazil?
[06:23] <tiago> the mounted ones
[06:24] <fromoze> I don't use windows... but may be, wait
[06:24] <tiago> Could not mount device.
[06:24] <tiago> The reported error was:
[06:24] <tiago> mount: can't find /dev/hda8 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[06:24] <tiago> thats the error i got
[06:25] <fromoze> are you usin ide or sata?
[06:25] <tiago> ide
[06:25] <tiago> they were working fine when i isntalled mepis today
[06:25] <tiago> im also having amarok crashing
[06:26] <tiago> i think its to do with xorg becouse i had the same problem when i installed xorg under mepis
[06:26] <fromoze> kubuntu didn't give mp3 by default, you need akode-mpeg or amarok-xine
[06:26] <tiago> it crashes when i run it
[06:27] <tiago> oh its running fine now
[06:27] <tiago> it crashed when i launched it from konqueror
[06:28] <tiago> for some reason it wont let me use transperancy/shadows
[06:28] <tiago> lol sorry one thing at a time
[06:28] <tiago> the partition thing is the most important
[06:28] <tiago> i apologyse im realy new to linux this is only my second day and also my second distro :P
[06:29] <othernoob> and hda8 exists for sure?
[06:29] <tiago> yes
[06:29] <tiago> its my downloads drive under windows
[06:29] <tiago> 70gb nfts partition
[06:29] <tiago> i was accessing it under mepis fine, watching movies and playing music from it
[06:30] <othernoob> interesting
[06:30] <tiago> i can see them under media:/ but when i click on the paritions i get this problem
[06:30] <tiago> unless they are ext3 partitions
[06:31] <othernoob> what problem
[06:31] <tiago> Could not mount device.
[06:31] <tiago> The reported error was:
[06:31] <tiago> mount: can't find /dev/hda8 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[06:31] <Bubbling_Zombie> is it in fstab
[06:32] <tiago> whats fstab?
[06:32] <Bubbling_Zombie> the /dev/hda8 with it's mount point
[06:32] <tiago> im not sure
[06:32] <gigaclon> hey I question about Konversation
[06:32] <tiago> like i said this is my second day using linux
[06:32] <Bubbling_Zombie> it's a file. Look at it.
[06:32] <Bubbling_Zombie> tiago, try this
[06:33] <Bubbling_Zombie> make a directory
[06:33] <tiago> in home?
[06:33] <Bubbling_Zombie> sudo mount /dev/hda8 /home/your_directory_you_just_created
[06:33] <Bubbling_Zombie> yes
[06:34] <tiago> do i type that in konsole?
[06:34] <Bubbling_Zombie> yes
[06:34] <othernoob> yes but i doubt that will work ;)
[06:35] <tiago> mount: mount point /home/computer does not exist
[06:35] <Bubbling_Zombie> /home/<username>/computer
[06:36] <othernoob> why not make the dir in media instead.. besides that, the mount command is missing the filesystem information..
[06:36] <tiago> same thing
[06:36] <tiago> whats the matter with kubuntu?
[06:37] <tiago> this is a fresh install... why is it having this lame problem?
[06:37] <tiago> i only installed ubuntu for blood xorg and it wont even let me use shadows... what a jib...
[06:38] <tiago> bloody*
[06:38] <Bubbling_Zombie> ok, we'll be completely correct then. What is the filesystem type on the disc
[06:38] <Bubbling_Zombie> do you want to read/write or do both on the partition?
[06:38] <Bubbling_Zombie> :p
[06:38] <tiago> ntfs
[06:38] <othernoob> well then only read ;)
[06:38] <Bubbling_Zombie> aaaaaah -_-
[06:38] <Bubbling_Zombie> sudo mkdir /media/windows
[06:38] <Bubbling_Zombie> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222
[06:39] <Bubbling_Zombie> (better that way othernoob -_- ;-) )
[06:39] <othernoob> yea, that sounds correct i'd say
[06:39] <othernoob> but now he should make sudo mkdri /media/windows first ;)
[06:39] <othernoob> mkdir*
[06:40] <tiago> that worked
[06:40] <tiago> yippy
[06:40] <tiago> thanx
[06:40] <Bubbling_Zombie> hey hey hey. I typed that >_< :D
[06:40] <othernoob> eh..did you just copy that line?
[06:40] <Bubbling_Zombie> ack
[06:40] <othernoob> meh lol..only looked at the mount command ;)
[06:40] <Bubbling_Zombie> that was my mount command for my windows partition 
[06:40] <Bubbling_Zombie> *woops*
[06:40] <othernoob> tiago: did you just copy Bubbling_Zombie line?
[06:40] <tiago> lol
[06:40] <Bubbling_Zombie> sudo mount /dev/hda8 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222
[06:41] <tiago> yeah lol
[06:41] <Bubbling_Zombie> _ofcourse_
[06:41] <tiago> oh wait can u make the hda8 one create a folder called downloads?
[06:41] <tiago> XD
[06:42] <othernoob> tiago: first of all, it's a directory ;) not a folder..and sure you can make a dir called downloads and mount it there.
[06:42] <Bubbling_Zombie> my humble apologies. This is what you get for going to sleep late and waking up too early
[06:42] <tiago> lol
[06:42] <tiago> i apologies for my windowsness
[06:42] <jeanluc> Hi
[06:43] <othernoob> bonsoir
[06:43] <jeanluc> whats up
[06:43] <Bubbling_Zombie> the sky
[06:43] <Bubbling_Zombie> [/old] 
[06:43] <tiago> lol
[06:43] <tiago> was about to say old lol
[06:44] <jeanluc> old
[06:44] <jeanluc> sky
[06:44] <jeanluc> blue
[06:44] <CeReaL> hi
[06:44] <jeanluc> hello
[06:45] <jeanluc> hey
[06:45] <jeanluc> do yall know how to update your sources.list file
[06:45] <jeanluc> with out editing it?
[06:45] <othernoob> Bubbling_Zombie: i just noticed..he'll have to do that mount command every time..it'd be better to alter the /etc/fstab so it's mounted on boot
[06:46] <CeReaL> how do I updte my sources.list?
[06:46] <Bubbling_Zombie> CeReaL, edit it with your favorite text-editor in sudo mode
[06:46] <Bubbling_Zombie> othernoob, true
[06:46] <jeanluc> ok
[06:46] <tiago> gosh
[06:46] <jeanluc> im cereal
[06:47] <gigaclon> question, GNOME recognized and showed my Ipod immediatly, KDE didn't. help?
[06:47] <CeReaL> jeanlucs me
[06:47] <Bubbling_Zombie> i plan on searching a howto as soon as i finished upgrading my damn box >_<
[06:47] <jeanluc> and
[06:47] <jeanluc> what im going to do is
[06:47] <jeanluc> for all the noobs who need to update there sources list
[06:47] <jeanluc> im going to code a program for it
[06:47] <Bubbling_Zombie> ... why?
[06:47] <jeanluc> but I know some one has an edited sources.list on the net
[06:47] <jeanluc> and I need the locationof that file
[06:47] <Bubbling_Zombie> it's on the wiki
[06:47] <Bubbling_Zombie> but
[06:47] <Bubbling_Zombie> why?
[06:48] <jeanluc> I know but theres an edited one already
[06:48] <jeanluc> apok knows where it is
[06:48] <othernoob> what's the point of a script for that if people prefer the mirrors closest to them?
[06:48] <tiago> Bubbling_Zombie: so it wont mount every time i run linux?
[06:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> nope. I'll search you a fstab howto in a minute.
[06:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> almost...done...
[06:48] <tiago> why is this so lame?
[06:49] <Bubbling_Zombie> it isn't. It offers you more control. In time you'll learn to appreciate it
[06:49] <tiago> ubuntu is based on debian isent it? and its running kde... mepis dident have this problem
[06:49] <othernoob> tiago: do sudo fdisk -l   post it on pastebin.com  then do sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab_backup   then do sudo nano /etc/fstab
[06:49] <gigaclon> tiago https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[06:49] <othernoob> then give me the pastebin link ;)
[06:49] <Bubbling_Zombie> i'm done. Searching doesn't seem to be necessary -_-
[06:50] <gigaclon> !mountw32 is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[06:50] <ubotu> okay, gigaclon
[06:50] <othernoob> meh, i already said most of what he's going to read now anyway..
[06:51] <Bubbling_Zombie> tiago - when you installed you had to repartition your disk. There you had the option to choose mountpoints. you probably missed that. I did too -_-
[06:52] <tiago> oh
[06:52] <tiago> mepis must do it by defult
[06:52] <tiago> btw thanx gigaclon 
[06:52] <gigaclon> you are welcome
[06:52] <tiago> as long as i get them mounted and alphablending working ill be happy
[06:53] <gigaclon> I had the same experence too
[06:53] <tiago> for some reason shados arnt working
[06:53] <othernoob> now i feel ignored :/
[06:53] <tiago> lol
[06:53] <tiago> im just taking a vacation
[06:53] <tiago> im hoping to have linux as my holiday house
[06:54] <tiago> windows is my office becouse i do multimedia and they dont have the apps i need for linux
[06:54] <othernoob> i have windows as my little horror house :)
[06:54] <tiago> otherwise i would use all 200gb of my hard drive and build a huge linux mansion
[06:55] <Bubbling_Zombie> i use windows for one thing
[06:55] <Bubbling_Zombie> gta :p
[06:55] <tiago> lol
[06:55] <gigaclon> tiago, that prolly only partially true
[06:55] <tiago> yeah san andreas rocks
[06:55] <tiago> what do you meen gigaclon ?
[06:55] <gigaclon> linux has lots of apps
[06:55] <othernoob> windows isn't even capable of using my printer. what an OS.
[06:56] <tiago> if you find a way t run 3d studio max, photoshop, illistrator, director, flash, fireworks, dreamweaver and the other apps i use for school in linux then i would have no use for windows... other then gta lol
[06:57] <gigaclon> for illistrator, you can use inkscape
[06:57] <gigaclon> photoshop, gimp
[06:57] <gigaclon> 3d studio, blender
[06:57] <tiago> lol
[06:57] <tiago> id rather not
[06:57] <Bubbling_Zombie> ow
[06:58] <Bubbling_Zombie> and what is a cheap ass low memory footrpint good for resizing PAINT replacement?
[06:58] <Bubbling_Zombie> ow crap
[06:58] <Bubbling_Zombie> wrong channel :p
[06:58] <othernoob> indeed
[06:58] <tiago> i use gimpo for screenshots
[06:58] <tiago> gimp*
[06:58] <Bubbling_Zombie> for gnome that is -_-
[06:58] <apokryphos> KSnapshot is great for screenshots
[06:58] <Bubbling_Zombie> i just realized i'm not on my kde box -_-
[06:58] <gigaclon> i'm sure there is a WYSIWYG HTML editor
[06:59] <tiago> ill download it once i figues all of this out
[06:59] <Bubbling_Zombie> quanta gigaclon ?
[06:59] <apokryphos> gigaclon: see bluefish
[06:59] <tiago> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[06:59] <tiago> isent working
[06:59] <tiago> sudo: gedit: command not found
[06:59] <gigaclon> you prolly don't have gedit
[06:59] <tiago> :S
[07:00] <Bubbling_Zombie> sudo kate /etc/fstab
[07:00] <gigaclon> its gnome thing
[07:00] <apokryphos> To alter /etc/fstab you'll need to be root, and kate generally has problems sudoing as root, so go for kwrite
[07:00] <tiago> oh right... the tutrial is for ubuntu not kunbunto
[07:00] <Bubbling_Zombie> or take it like a man and use vi -_- 
[07:00] <Bubbling_Zombie> (j/k)
[07:01] <tiago> hmmm hang on... before i dont any of that
[07:01] <tiago> can some one help me fix the problem with the shadows?
[07:01] <tiago> if i cant have a pritty os im going back to mepis
[07:01] <tiago> i cant live with out shadows
[07:01] <gigaclon> Bubbling_Zombie: can you help get my ipod recognized?
[07:01] <apokryphos> tiago: composite extensions?
[07:02] <tiago> whats that?
[07:02] <Bubbling_Zombie> gigaclon, i'll try. Diner's gonna be ready any minute tho.
[07:02] <Bubbling_Zombie> you on firewire or usb?
[07:02] <apokryphos> tiago: what was it that produced the shadow effects you're talking about?
[07:02] <gigaclon> usb
[07:02] <Bubbling_Zombie> ok
[07:02] <Bubbling_Zombie> plug it in
[07:02] <tiago> xorg
[07:02] <gigaclon> GNOME got it automatically
[07:02] <Bubbling_Zombie> and check lsusb
[07:02] <apokryphos> tiago: yes, so composite effects; they work quite perfectly on Ubuntu with nvidia
[07:03] <tiago> you see mepis comes with xfree86 and i upgraded to xorg... but becouse mepis wasent realy made for xorg apps crashed alot
[07:03] <tiago> so now i have installed kubuntu becouse i dont want apps crashing
[07:03] <Bubbling_Zombie> gigaclon, did you try http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-26422.html
[07:03] <tiago> maybe ubuntu hasent recognized my video card?
[07:04] <nikkia> tiago, i've got some bad news for you...
[07:05] <Bubbling_Zombie> tiago, most restricted modules (including the nvidia drivers) are in the universe rep. try searching for "restricted modules" xD
[07:05] <apokryphos> tiago: you should be fine with them on Kubuntu; it uses Xorg by default, as said.
[07:05] <nikkia> it was likely the shadows that caused the crashing, composite is buggy :P
[07:05] <gigaclon> tiago: I have some good news
[07:05] <gigaclon> I just save a bunch of money by switching to geico
[07:05] <apokryphos> nikkia: not using the actual Mepis packages couldn't have helped ;-)
[07:05] <gigaclon> :)
[07:06] <tiago> im confused
[07:06] <tiago> i want my mommy
[07:06] <nikkia> apokryphos: likely not, but enabling composite often does hurt reliability, in my experience
[07:06] <Bubbling_Zombie> lol tiago 
[07:06] <DrX> Hi, Im having some problems with my laptop. Sometimes the cpu goes up to 100% and it freezes i can't move the mouse, I ran top once and saw that artsd suddenly got up to 100% I quickly typed "killall artsd" it helped for about 10 sec then it crashed. Does anyone know what might cause this ? would it help if i switched to gnome (i thought if it artsd that causes it maybe gnome uses something else)
[07:06] <apokryphos> nikkia: Yup, definitely. It still doesn't run as fast too; especially for moving windows etc.
[07:06] <nikkia> apokryphos: doubly so if you enable composite AND glx
[07:06] <tiago> well moving windows was fine
[07:07] <tiago> speed wasent an issue
[07:07] <tiago> it was amarok crashing
[07:07] <apokryphos> tiago: it's worth trying out
[07:07] <tiago> and firefox crashing that pissed me off
[07:07] <tiago> but i cant get the shadows to work under ubuntu
[07:07] <tiago> i enabled them... and it gave me some errer when i loged in
[07:07] <apokryphos> what error/
[07:08] <tiago> lol i dont realy remember what it said
[07:08] <tiago> but it was about the shadows
[07:08] <apokryphos> I'll be back in less than five mins -- will try to help then.
[07:09] <tiago> i dont understand why i need xorg to have shadows... its not like i NEED hardware alphablending to produce them... png software alphablending works just fine and dosent require hardware support
[07:09] <tiago> ok thanx bro
[07:11] <tiago> ok this is realy hurting my feelings... i try and sign in under root... and it asks for a password... and i never made one... is there a defult one im expected to know?
[07:12] <Bubbling_Zombie> use sudo for all your root needs
[07:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is there like an address book for kubuntu?
[07:13] <Riddell> ChurcH_of_FoamY: kontact
[07:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[07:14] <tiago> do you know what i dont understand? why i need to edit fstab from konsole..
[07:15] <tiago> if it was just file i could find in a directory and open and edit and save it would make life so much easyer
[07:15] <gigaclon> cause you need to be root
[07:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> open a console and use "sudo nanon /etc/fstab"
[07:15] <tiago> but no... linux insists i must constantly do every thing the hardest posible way
[07:15] <othernoob> Bubbling_Zombie: it's nano :p
[07:15] <uniq> tiago: alt+f2 'kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list'
[07:15] <othernoob> tiago: it's a lot easier after a few days :p
[07:16] <Bubbling_Zombie> oh CRAPS >_<
[07:16] <Bubbling_Zombie> ok
[07:16] <Bubbling_Zombie> need sleep, badly -_-
[07:16] <tiago> uniq:  whats that for?
[07:16] <uniq> tiago: edit the file as root, in a graphical way.
[07:16] <DrX> If i have installed kubuntu from a cd is there a way to "make" it ubuntu ? (is it only KDE instead of Gnome that is the difference betwen ubuntu and kubuntu ?)
[07:16] <tiago> oh thanx :D
[07:17] <Bubbling_Zombie> yeah, DrX try installing the gnome packages
[07:17] <uniq> 'kdesu' is like 'sudo' but graphical.
[07:17] <DrX> ok, thanks
[07:17] <uniq> drx: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:17] <uniq> drx: or search for ubuntu-desktop in kynaptic.
[07:17] <tiago> its asking for a password
[07:17] <gigaclon> type yours
[07:17] <tiago> i never set a password
[07:18] <tiago> oh
[07:18] <tiago> the one for my user acount?
[07:18] <gigaclon> ya
[07:18] <Bubbling_Zombie> yes
[07:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can you take vcards from your palm pilot and stik them in contackt?
[07:18] <tiago> why am i edeting the sources.list though?
[07:18] <tiago> isent it fstab im ment to fix?
[07:18] <gigaclon> yeah
[07:19] <uniq> tiago: you're using my example :)
[07:19] <tiago> lol
[07:19] <tiago> ofcorce i am im a n00b
[07:19] <gigaclon> Bubbling_Zombie: that forum post didn't help
[07:19] <uniq> tiago: replace /etc/apt/sources.list with /whereever/file/to/edit
[07:19] <uniq> :)
[07:19] <uniq> not very clear from my side.
[07:20] <Bubbling_Zombie> googlin' merrily away.
[07:20] <tiago> wow thats much better thanx uniq 
[07:20] <gigaclon> fdisk -l give my ipod as /dev/sda2
[07:20] <Bubbling_Zombie> try mounting it in a folder, and pointing gtkpod to it
[07:21] <tiago> if i can do it this why... why the hell would any one want to do it the non graphical way? does it give them some sick satisfaction of leetness?
[07:21] <DrX> Is there a howto on setting up a network with linux (i only find howtos on how to use linux as a server i want to use it as a desktop computer), I know where to enter my IP and netmask but what about gateway and DNS ?
[07:21] <gigaclon> tiago, i too have asked this
[07:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> no tiago. its just that my one of myother pc doesn't have a screen. i ssh to it. it doesn't have X
[07:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> -_-
[07:21] <tiago> lol at least im not the only one
[07:22] <gigaclon> just remember that NTFS are not writiable from Ubunut
[07:22] <Bubbling_Zombie> oh oh
[07:22] <tiago> maybe its becouse i come from a windows background?
[07:22] <Bubbling_Zombie> food is ready o/
[07:22] <Bubbling_Zombie> be back in a bit
[07:22] <Bubbling_Zombie> tiago, you'll learn to appreciate it
[07:22] <Bubbling_Zombie> in time xD
[07:22] <tiago> yeah i just wana access music and p0rn
[07:22] <Bubbling_Zombie> anyway, bbiab
[07:22] <tiago> i meen cartoons
[07:22] <tiago> XD
[07:22] <othernoob> gigaclon: that's not completely true..
[07:23] <gigaclon> its not safe
[07:23] <tiago> p0rn?
[07:23] <tiago> i know... not safe at all
[07:23] <tiago> oh you ment ntfs
[07:23] <othernoob> it's not stable yet ;)
[07:23] <othernoob> porn is safe :p
[07:23] <tiago> ill just be reading for now
[07:24] <uniq> if you use captive-ntfs it's somehow safe i've heard. don't have ntfs around to test though.
[07:24] <tiago> not if your the one in the p0rno
[07:24] <othernoob> tiago: you ever been in one?
[07:24] <tiago> you can loose an eye in one of those cumshots...
[07:24] <tiago> not a profesional one xD
[07:24] <eolo> hi guys i've few time, my system halt becouse of overheating.
[07:25] <othernoob> eh..i'd be quite annoyed if i was receiving one tiago..
[07:25] <eolo> I've an AMD 64 cpu and kubuntu 5.04 on an acer aspire laptop
[07:25] <tiago> yeah me too... unless i was waring saftyglasses
[07:25] <tiago> eolo:  there are laptop coolers u can get
[07:25] <gigaclon> hahaha
[07:25] <eolo> how
[07:25] <tiago> its like a heatsink that you sit your laptop on
[07:25] <othernoob> tiago: eh..i so hope that you're not a guy...
[07:26] <gigaclon> they changed the aspercreame commercial
[07:26] <tiago> sure with a name like Tiago?
[07:26] <tiago> dosent sound like a hot chick name
[07:26] <tiago> lol but im sure thats one of your fantasys lol... a hot chick asking you questions about linux over irc? lol
[07:26] <gigaclon> it used to be "you bet your sweet aspercream"
[07:27] <othernoob> tiago: not quite..
[07:27] <eolo> there are confs for acpi i have to change? my system hangs at 63 degrees
[07:27] <tiago> wow thats hot
[07:27] <tiago> celsious?
[07:27] <othernoob> tiago: i was refering to your cumshot talk :p
[07:27] <tiago> lol
[07:27] <tiago> i know
[07:27] <eolo> coelsius
[07:28] <tiago> im not realy into bukkaki
[07:28] <gigaclon> all of the fonts in my GNOME/GTK programs are really small
[07:28] <eolo> il mio laptop (amd 64) si spegne per surriscaldamento, aiuto
[07:28] <othernoob> exactly.
[07:29] <uniq> gigaclon: get the package 'gtk2-engines-gtk-qt'
[07:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> weard it won't back up my palm piolet
[07:30] <nikkia> 4 crashed X sessions later, and i did get Composite working, not very reliably tho :P
[07:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok why won't my palm piolet not synch with my computer when it trys to download and synch the info it says faild >.<
[07:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but it knows it's there
[07:32] <gigaclon> what type should i put in fstab for my ipod
[07:32] <gigaclon> fdisk shows it as W95 FAT32
[07:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know anything about the kpilot app?
[07:34] <nikkia> gigaclon: vfat
[07:34] <othernoob> gigaclon... vfat
[07:34] <gigaclon> what about options?
[07:35] <nikkia> i have 'umask=0,user,noauto'
[07:35] <tiago> i edited my fstab
[07:35] <tiago> how do i check if it worked?
[07:35] <gigaclon> read on
[07:35] <othernoob> sudo mount -a tiago..to mount it
[07:35] <othernoob> without rebooting
[07:36] <gigaclon> !mountw32
[07:36] <ubotu> I guess mountw32 is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[07:36] <tiago> othernoob: do i put my name at the end?
[07:36] <tiago> sudo mount -a tiago
[07:36] <othernoob> no
[07:36] <othernoob> just "sudo mount -a"
[07:36] <othernoob> without the "
[07:36] <tiago> lol
[07:37] <tiago> just checking
[07:37] <tiago> ^^
[07:37] <tiago> i have to be specific.. im scared linux wont like me
[07:37] <othernoob> it doesn't :p
[07:37] <tiago> im going to have nightmaires of pengines throwing ntfs partitions at me tonight
[07:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone here know how to use kontact with a palm pilot?
[07:38] <tiago> tiago@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount -a
[07:38] <tiago> Password:
[07:38] <tiago> mount: mount point /mnt/win2kwin2k does not exist
[07:38] <tiago> whats with the win2k?
[07:39] <othernoob> did you make that dir?
[07:40] <tiago> nope
[07:40] <othernoob> well...that might be the reason why it says that it doesn't exist ;)
[07:40] <gigaclon> is there a way to make the KDE not display military time?
[07:40] <othernoob> right click on the clock gigaclon
[07:40] <tiago> why is it looking for it in the first place?
[07:40] <othernoob> tiago because you entered it in your /etc/fstab as mountpoint
[07:41] <tiago> :o
[07:41] <tiago> i was just checking to see if it would spot it out :P
[07:41] <tiago> linux is smarted then i thought
[07:41] <gigaclon> then what?
[07:42] <tiago> yay it worked :D
[07:42] <tiago> i can now listen to house music in happyness :D
[07:42] <othernoob> gigaclon: i'd assume configure clock..
[07:42] <tiago> ok thats problem 1 solved
[07:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> weard i can now backup and sync with kpilot but not with kontact is there something i need to do to make it work?
[07:42] <tiago> now for she shadows ^^
[07:42] <othernoob> gigaclon: or time/date format..
[07:43] <gigaclon> wait 
[07:43] <gigaclon> never mind
[07:43] <gigaclon> im a great fool
[07:44] <tiago> how do i fix the shadows?
[07:45] <gigaclon> uniq: it didn't seem to help
[07:45] <gigaclon> what with you and the shadows?
[07:46] <tiago> they dont work
[07:46] <tiago> how do i repaire that?
[07:46] <tiago> my desktop is naked with out them...
[07:46] <othernoob> naked is good
[07:47] <nikkia> tiago, how on earth can a pointless bit of eye candy mean so much ??
[07:47] <jpatrick> What does he want?
[07:47] <nikkia> eye candy that cripples 3D and video playback
[07:47] <jpatrick> :-o
[07:47] <nikkia> jpatrick: composite based drop shadows
[07:48] <othernoob> nikkia, you're a girl, you don't understand the magic of eyecandy :p
[07:48] <nikkia> unfortunately, composite affects OpenGL and Xv
[07:48] <jpatrick> I have no idea what that means lol
[07:48] <nikkia> jpatrick: which bit?
[07:48] <tiago> i cant live with a flat desktop...
[07:48] <tiago> its not a world i want to live in
[07:48] <jpatrick> 'composite based drop shadows'
[07:48] <tiago> i must atleast have the illusion that my windows are hovering
[07:48] <jpatrick> sort of
[07:49] <nikkia> jpatrick: it means your windows have shadows underneath them
[07:49] <tiago> also i want the fading
[07:49] <tiago> i like the fading
[07:49] <tiago> ^^
[07:50] <jpatrick> The only eye candy/sweet ;) that I have is fantastic and Mac OX Bar and Liquid Weather
[07:50] <tiago> that reminds me... i need superkaramba
[07:50] <tiago> whats a good dock for kde that has zooming?
[07:50] <jpatrick> Mac OSX Bar
[07:51] <jpatrick> or KoolDock
[07:51] <jpatrick> KoolBar*
[07:51] <tiago> will i find them on package manager?
[07:51] <jpatrick> don't shake it too hard :P
[07:51] <jpatrick> no
[07:51] <jpatrick> Go to KDE-Look.org
[07:51] <tiago> how ill i install them then?
[07:52] <jpatrick> See above ^
[07:52] <tiago> ...sigh... i have a feeling more comand lines await me...
[07:52] <jpatrick> what's wrong with that?
[07:52] <tiago> i hope linux shares my love/hate relationship
[07:53] <rafa> hola
[07:53] <jpatrick> you have to have backports on
[07:53] <tiago> whats the point of having a pritty gui... if i dont even get to use it... 90% of tasks in linux require that bloody konsole
[07:53] <jpatrick> hola
[07:53] <tiago> hola
[07:53] <jpatrick> the konsole rocks!
[07:53] <StiloMan> q pasa tios?
[07:53] <nikkia> tiago, what's the point of having a PC if you're going to slow it to a crawl running pretty GUI stuff
[07:53] <StiloMan> a ver
[07:53] <jpatrick> nada
[07:53] <StiloMan> alguien me explica como instalar azureus en kubuntu?
[07:53] <tiago> lol my pc dosent slow down with pritty stuff
[07:54] <jpatrick> vale
[07:54] <gigaclon> most of the tasks can be done both ways
[07:54] <StiloMan> pues vamos jpatrick 
[07:54] <nikkia> tiago, then you clearly haven't run superkaramba before :P
[07:54] <gigaclon> like installing packages
[07:54] <jpatrick> sudo apt-get install azureus
[07:54] <tiago> whats the point of having a good pc if ur going to make it look like crap?
[07:54] <StiloMan> ahhh 
[07:54] <StiloMan> y si no me sale en el kynaptic?
[07:54] <jpatrick> puede ser....
[07:54] <tiago> i ran superkaramba under mepis... it ran swellingly ^^
[07:54] <jpatrick> si buscas
[07:54] <tiago> untill i installed xorg with shadows :P
[07:55] <StiloMan> ya lo busque
[07:55] <tiago> then every thing went to hell in hand basket
[07:55] <StiloMan> con find
[07:55] <StiloMan> pero nada
[07:55] <StiloMan> y en consola me sale
[07:55] <jpatrick> sudo apt-get install azureus
[07:55] <nikkia> tiago, as i said, composite is very unreliable, it doesn't deal well with apps that do their own transparency, such as superkaramba, amarok, etc
[07:55] <gigaclon> or search for azureus in knaptic
[07:55] <StiloMan> sera por los repositorios?
[07:55] <StiloMan> ya gigaclon 
[07:56] <fromoze> SPAM: Recoerdad que #kubuntu-es existe! :)
[07:56] <StiloMan> E: No se pudo bloquear /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Recurso no disponible temporalmente)
[07:56] <StiloMan> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:56] <StiloMan> esto me sale
[07:56] <jpatrick> StiloMan: http://ubuntuguide.org/#azureus
[07:56] <StiloMan> ok
[07:56] <StiloMan> gracias
[07:56] <eolo> which is the best hardware monitor for kubu
[07:56] <jpatrick> :)
[07:56] <jpatrick> de nada
[07:56] <gigaclon> you have it opened already
[07:56] <StiloMan> pedazo distro la kubuntu
[07:56] <StiloMan> jajaja
[07:56] <StiloMan> me mola
[07:56] <StiloMan> jajaja
[07:56] <StiloMan> si no fuera por los fallos del centro de control....
[07:56] <jpatrick> Okay....
[07:56] <tiago> lol these latin people are funny
[07:57] <fromoze> StiloMan, jpatrick por qu no hablais en espaol en #kubuntu-es para no colapsar  esto?
[07:57] <StiloMan> ok
[07:57] <Riddell> si, #kubuntu-es
[07:57] <StiloMan> gracias
[07:57] <othernoob> eolo: there are software monitors for kubu?
[07:57] <gigaclon> hey tiago type apt-get moo in a terminal
[07:57] <tiago> hahahah
[07:57] <tiago> whats moo do?
[07:57] <gigaclon> try it
[07:57] <jpatrick> I'm not Spanish...
[07:57] <tiago> your not?
[07:57] <fromoze> I know,
[07:57] <tiago> your spanish is better then mine
[07:58] <jpatrick> I just happen to speak 7 languages
[07:58] <tiago> and my last 2 gf's were latinas
[07:58] <fromoze> I didn't say to leave the channel, just to have spanish conversation next door :/
[07:58] <othernoob> jpatrick: which?
[07:58] <tiago> i met a striper today who spoke 7 languages lol
[07:58] <fromoze> jpatrick: you can improve your spanish on #kubuntu-es ;)
[07:58] <jpatrick> English, German, Dutch, French, Spanish, Catalan (6)
[07:59] <jpatrick> Not including C++
[07:59] <tiago> wow same as her except italian insted of catalan
[07:59] <eolo> i meant hardware monitor
[07:59] <tiago> rofl @ c++
[07:59] <jpatrick> :D
[07:59] <jpatrick> :P
[07:59] <tiago> does leet speak count?
[08:00] <othernoob> what's the big diff between catalan and spanish?
[08:00] <jpatrick> Catalan has more French stuff
[08:00] <tiago> about the same as spanish and porutugese
[08:00] <tiago> im portuguese btw
[08:00] <jpatrick> :) ok
[08:00] <tiago> but dont ask me to speak... im n00b
[08:00] <fromoze> I'm gallician :D
[08:00] <tiago> cool
[08:01] <jpatrick> Kopete has a leet speak plugin
[08:01] <tiago> lol
[08:02] <jpatrick> 1'm 53r10u5 dud3 - K0p373 h45 |337 5p34k p|ug1n
[08:02] <jpatrick> ;)
[08:02] <tiago> lol
[08:02] <tiago> jpatrick: j00 4r3 teh s3x0r!111
[08:02] <tiago> lol thats all i know
[08:02] <jpatrick> :P
[08:03] <jpatrick> I'm translating UbuntuGuide to Spanish...
[08:04] <tiago> lol
[08:04] <tiago> ur bored arnt you?
[08:04] <tiago> i only speak spanish in bed
[08:04] <jpatrick> why?
[08:04] <tiago> becouse most of the words i know are bedtime words lol
[08:05] <tiago> and it drove my ex wild
[08:05] <tiago> she loved it when i spoke portuguese even more
[08:05] <jpatrick> lol
[08:05] <tiago> i dont know why
[08:05] <tiago> she loved the accent
[08:05] <tiago> she was learning fast too
[08:05] <tiago> im downloading crystal clean icon package ^^
[08:06] <jpatrick> for what?
[08:06] <tiago> kde
[08:06] <eolo> i would like to know how to use the Cool'n'Quiet tech on kubuntu
[08:06] <fromoze> is automatic :)
[08:06] <fromoze> just see if powernowd is running 
[08:07] <gigaclon> the fonts in the menus of FireFox are really small
[08:07] <fromoze> ps -A | grep powernowd
[08:07] <gigaclon> that package didn't seem to help
[08:09] <tiago> im having problems with kopete...
[08:09] <tiago> i cant sign into my msn acount
[08:09] <tiago> it says incorrect password
[08:09] <tiago> mepis came with gaim and it worked fine
[08:09] <tiago> is this a common problem with kopete?
[08:10] <jpatrick> no
[08:10] <othernoob> are you sure the pw/sn is correct :p
[08:10] <jpatrick> Mine work fine
[08:10] <fromoze> no, just wirh dislexic people xD
[08:10] <tiago> =_=
[08:10] <tiago> i managed to sign in to webmessenger.msn.com
[08:11] <jpatrick> o_O
[08:11] <Bubbling_Zombie> do not fear, i is here, etc
[08:11] <tiago> yay
[08:11] <tiago> how was diner?
[08:12] <Bubbling_Zombie> quite good actually.
[08:12] <Bubbling_Zombie> thanks 
[08:12] <tiago> lol do you know what would be funny... using linux on extasy lol
[08:13] <tiago> but it would suck when your eyes go out of focus... you wouldent be able t use konsole lol
[08:13] <Phati> !de
[08:13] <ubotu> No idea, Phati
[08:13] <Phati> hm
[08:13] <Phati> kennt sich jemand mit kubuntu und vmware aus?
[08:13] <jpatrick> ok...........
[08:13] <othernoob> Phati #ubuntu-de
[08:13] <tiago> rofl
[08:14] <jpatrick> I was going to say that!
[08:14] <othernoob> well, you're too slow for me jpatrick  :p
[08:14] <Phati> thx othernoob
[08:14] <othernoob> kein problem ;)
[08:14] <tiago> hmmm i realy want the dropshadows to work
[08:14] <tiago> what should i do?
[08:15] <jpatrick> panic
[08:15] <othernoob> pray
[08:15] <tiago> should i try it again and tell you what the error says?
[08:15] <jpatrick> ok
[08:16] <kalenedrael> anyone know a program that can compress an avi file?
[08:16] <tiago> The Composite Manager crashed twice within a minute and is therefore disabled for this session.
[08:16] <tiago> thats cant be good can it?
[08:16] <jpatrick> oh :-o
[08:16] <jjesse> i'm reload my kubuntu box this weekend, anything i need to be ware of?
[08:16] <kalenedrael> xcomposite is new and messes thing up
[08:16] <kalenedrael> jjesse, not reall
[08:16] <kalenedrael> y
[08:17] <kalenedrael> actually, yes
[08:17] <kalenedrael> it doesn't come with GCC, so if you need to compile drivers for a network interface, make sure you have either GCC or the drivers on a disk
[08:17] <tiago> any one know why its crashing?
[08:17] <kalenedrael> it doesn't come with a lot of things that come with most other distros
[08:17] <kalenedrael> but seeing as you're "reloading", i think you already know that
[08:18] <other|study> kalenedrael: gcc is on the cd
[08:18] <kalenedrael> tiago, it's new and has problems
[08:18] <kalenedrael> other|study, really?
[08:18] <kalenedrael> i recall it not being on the cd
[08:18] <other|study> kalenedrael: just not installed by default
[08:18] <kalenedrael> i had to sudo apt-get it
[08:18] <kalenedrael> oh
[08:18] <other|study> kalenedrael: it'd be embarrassing for a distro if it came w/o gcc ;)
[08:18] <kalenedrael> yeah, it would
[08:18] <tiago> it comes native with ubuntu and yet it crashes... i ran it on mepis today that comes with xfree stock and it worked...
[08:19] <kalenedrael> tiago, are you using proprietary graphics drivers?
[08:19] <kalenedrael> (like nvidia or ati)
[08:19] <tiago> i dont know
[08:19] <tiago> i was under mepis
[08:19] <kalenedrael> probably not, then
[08:19] <kalenedrael> hmm
[08:19] <tiago> would they be hard to install?
[08:19] <Bubbling_Zombie> no
[08:19] <kalenedrael> no, but the proprietary drivers tend to mess composite up even more
[08:20] <kalenedrael> in my experience
[08:20] <kalenedrael> but then again, it's really slow with the open source drivers
[08:20] <tiago> but its not working now... it can only get better form here right?
[08:20] <kalenedrael> i guess
[08:20] <kalenedrael> try ti
[08:20] <kalenedrael> it
[08:20] <kalenedrael> what graphics card do you have?
[08:20] <tiago> geforce fx 5600 256mb vivo
[08:21] <kalenedrael> nicee
[08:21] <kalenedrael> yeah, get the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com
[08:21] <kalenedrael> and ask in #nvidia if you have problems
[08:21] <tiago> ok thanx bro
[08:21] <kalenedrael> np
[08:21] <tiago> cool
[08:22] <fromoze> tiago: I've 5200; just tipe sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx and sudo nvidia-glx-enable :)
[08:22] <fromoze> exuses
[08:22] <fromoze> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[08:23] <^jude^> hi - anyone in here using kubuntu on a powerbook?
[08:23] <tiago> sweet thanx fromoze 
[08:23] <tiago> do i need to reboot or any thing?
[08:24] <tiago> tiago@ubuntu:~$ sudo nvidia-glx-enable
[08:24] <tiago> sudo: nvidia-glx-enable: command not found
[08:24] <^jude^> how can I type a backslash on this damn powerbook? any ideas?
[08:24] <kalenedrael> i like the nvidia installer better :/
[08:25] <fromoze> tiago: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx first
[08:25] <tiago> i did
[08:25] <tiago> it installed it
[08:25] <fromoze> then: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable sorru
[08:25] <fromoze> sorry
[08:26] <tiago> so i need to restart x now?
[08:26] <fromoze> then ctrl+alt+backspace and see you ;)
[08:26] <^jude^> how can I type a backslash on a powerbook? any ideas?
[08:27] <Bubbling_Zombie> people should stop c/p'ing commands. Really. I'd rather have many "what does that do" questions -_-
[08:27] <fromoze> May be tiago never return xD
[08:28] <Bubbling_Zombie> *ding dong* xD
[08:28] <Fraeon> ...speak of the devil
[08:28] <Bubbling_Zombie> lol xD
[08:28] <Bubbling_Zombie> i think there is something _very_ wrong
[08:28] <The_Vox> ^jude^: isn't there an AltGr-like key on those?
[08:28] <fromoze> tiago?
[08:29] <Bubbling_Zombie> or his computer
[08:29] <kalenedrael> what can i use to convert an avi file to a divx?
[08:29] <kalenedrael> or mpeg
[08:29] <tiago> back
[08:29] <fromoze> ^jude^ I just remember: in kcontrol there's the option to make apple works as atl-gr
[08:30] <tiago> the nvidia drivers worked ^^
[08:30] <kalenedrael> cool tiago
[08:30] <fromoze> Have you see the nvidia commercial?
[08:30] <tiago> but unfortuantly composite dident...
[08:30] <kalenedrael> tiago, yes, composite is flaky
[08:30] <tiago> The Composite Manager crashed twice within a minute and is therefore disabled for this session.
[08:30] <tiago> Composite extension not found
[08:30] <tiago> You must use XOrg  6.8 for translucency and shadows to work.
[08:30] <tiago> Additionally, you need to add a new section to your X config file:
[08:30] <tiago> Section "Extensions"
[08:30] <tiago> Option "Composite" "Enable"
[08:30] <tiago> EndSection
[08:30] <kalenedrael> yeah, did you do that?
[08:30] <tiago> do what exactly?
[08:31] <kalenedrael> add the Section "Extensions"
[08:31] <kalenedrael> Option "Composite" "Enable"
[08:31] <tiago> how do i do that?
[08:31] <^jude^> how do i run a command as another user?
[08:31] <kalenedrael> open /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:31] <kalenedrael> in your favorite text editor
[08:31] <kalenedrael> and add that to the end of the file or something
[08:31] <tiago> what do i type infront of it again to open it in some thing?
[08:32] <kalenedrael> kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:32] <fromoze> ^jude^ wich user? root? sudo
[08:32] <kalenedrael> personally i use joe, which is a text-mode text editor
[08:32] <kalenedrael> but it doesn't come with kubuntu
[08:32] <tiago> fair enough
[08:33] <kalenedrael> kdesu works like sudo, but for GUI programs
[08:33] <kalenedrael> (like kate)
[08:33] <tiago> where do i add it to the file?
[08:33] <kalenedrael> the end
[08:34] <kalenedrael> (note: you will have to restart X)
[08:34] <tiago> do i add end section after it?
[08:34] <supernix> Hi what is a dangling symlink ?
[08:34] <tiago> Section "Extensions"
[08:34] <tiago> Option "Composite" "Enable"
[08:34] <tiago> EndSection
[08:34] <tiago> is that right?
[08:35] <kalenedrael> yes
[08:35] <tiago> lol im learning slowly
[08:35] <^jude^> fromoze: any user, not root
[08:35] <^jude^> fromoze: I need to run the postgres client as another user to connct
[08:36] <tiago> ok brb restarting x
[08:36] <fromoze> ^jude^ do a "su username" 
[08:37] <fromoze> and exec it from the shell
[08:40] <tiago> back
[08:40] <tiago> its working
[08:41] <tiago> but its lagging very badly
[08:41] <tiago> i dont understand... it ran as fast as any thing under mepis
[08:41] <kalenedrael> hmm
[08:41] <^jude^> fromoze: that works once I did "su - " to pick up the bashrc - thanks
[08:41] <tiago> maybe there is some thing im missing still
[08:42] <tiago> maybe mepis uses different nvidia drivers?
[08:42] <kalenedrael> open xorg.conf and see if the driver is "nv" or "nvidia" in the device section
[08:43] <tiago> where is xorg.conf kept?
[08:43] <martinjh99> tiago> /etc/X11
[08:43] <tiago> cool
[08:44] <tiago> Section "Device"
[08:44] <tiago> 	Identifier	"NVIDIA Corporation NV31 [GeForce FX 5600] "
[08:44] <tiago> 	Driver		"nvidia"
[08:44] <tiago> 	BusID		"PCI:2:0:0"
[08:44] <tiago> EndSection
[08:45] <kalenedrael> umm
[08:45] <kalenedrael> ok, at least he has the right driver...
[08:46] <tiago> x shat its self
[08:46] <kalenedrael> ah
[08:47] <kalenedrael> yeah, composite is flaky, like i said
[08:47] <The_Vox> tiago: composite is...not nice
[08:47] <fromoze> tiago: you need more options there.
[08:47] <tiago> so what now?
[08:47] <tiago> i dissabled it...
[08:47] <fromoze>       Identifier      "NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] "
[08:47] <fromoze>         Driver          "nvidia"
[08:47] <fromoze>         Option          "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
[08:47] <fromoze>         Option          "RenderAccel" "true"
[08:47] <fromoze>         BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
[08:48] <tiago> hoes come urs is pci 1:0:0?
[08:48] <tiago> mine says pc buy its agp...
[08:49] <fromoze> don't mean about
[08:49] <fromoze> you nit composite and render option
[08:50] <tiago> Section "Device"
[08:50] <tiago> 	Identifier	"NVIDIA Corporation NV31 [GeForce FX 5600] "
[08:50] <tiago> 	Driver		"nvidia"
[08:50] <tiago> 	Option     "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
[08:50] <tiago> 	Option     "RenderAccel"
[08:50] <tiago> 	BusID		"PCI:2:0:0"
[08:50] <tiago> EndSection
[08:51] <tiago> is that right?
[08:51] <tiago> fromoze: are you running shadows?
[08:51] <fromoze> Sometimes
[08:52] <fromoze> but composite is unstable, I'm waiting for xgl xD
[08:52] <tiago> did u have to add those options your self?
[08:52] <tiago> whats xgl?
[08:52] <tiago> is it a different x alltogether?
[08:53] <tiago> or an updated version of xorg?
[08:53] <fromoze> no, just the next step
[08:53] <tiago> i still dont quite understand x... or the concept of it
[08:53] <tiago> since i have only used linux for 2 days
[08:53] <tiago> but i know it lets me have shadows :P
[08:53] <tiago> when it wants to :P
[08:54] <gdh> To think in X, you have to go back in time 25 years...
[08:54] <tiago> its still lagging im gona reboot x
[08:54] <fromoze> yes, I add them by my own hoof
[08:55] <The_Vox> tiago: xgl and composite are extensions added on to X....composite is mostly a proof-of-concept thing...which means nobody really uses it for long :)
[08:55] <supernix> Hi everyone I was curious as to how to uninstall OpenOffice I had downloaded the deb files from a server and now I wanted to try the version that is in the Multiverse area so that I can see if it will work better
[08:55] <supernix> Having some issues with fonts for some reason
[08:56] <tiago> yes much faster ^^
[08:56] <tiago> thanx alot bro
[08:56] <tiago> any other little tweaks to make it more stable?
[08:57] <The_Vox> supernix: "sudo aptitude" find the OO debs under "Obsolete and locally created packages" and hit shift-dash (_) then hit g twice...it'll kill it dead
[08:57] <supernix> ok ty The_Vox 
[08:59] <The_Vox> supernix: I really recommend you to look around in aptitude...it's the best package manager in existance in the debian world
[09:00] <tiago> how do i install the w32 codecs with apt-get?
[09:01] <martinjh99> tiago> apt-get install w32codecs
[09:02] <tiago> how do i do the root thing agian?
[09:02] <tiago> suso? or some thing
[09:02] <The_Vox> tiago: sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[09:02] <supernix> Ty The_Vox I hate anything that is not gui but wow your right that is awsome
[09:02] <The_Vox> tiago: give it your user's password when it asks for one
[09:02] <martinjh99> sudo <command> and then enter your user password
[09:02] <supernix> I could not have done that in Synaptic or Kynaptic I don't think
[09:03] <supernix> IT removed that sucker pronto
[09:03] <The_Vox> supernix: aptitude rules the world...and you can use it from the command line instead of apt also, like "sudo aptitude install somepackage"...exactly same switches/commands as apt
[09:03] <tiago> E: Couldn't find package w32codecs
[09:03] <supernix> The only errors I got were stuff about non empty directorys and such
[09:04] <The_Vox> tiago: you need more repositories
[09:04] <tiago> mepis uses a different programe for updating packages and installing them
[09:04] <martinjh99> tiago> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToAccessTheUniverseRepository
[09:04] <The_Vox> supernix: if you use - to remove a package, it'll leave all its config files untouched...if you use _ it'll kill the package and all global config files (aptitude never touches a user's home)
[09:05] <The_Vox> supernix: _ is a pretty good switch for when a package is being stubborn after you messed around with its config files :)
[09:05] <tiago> Synaptic Package Manager
[09:05] <martinjh99> Tiago>https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToEnableTheMultiverseRepositoryInUbuntu
[09:05] <tiago> thats what mepis had
[09:05] <tiago> is that in ubuntu?
[09:06] <martinjh99> Tiago> Yup - apt-get install synaptic
[09:07] <tiago> is that more a gnome application?
[09:07] <The_Vox> tiago: if you are on kde, it's kynaptic
[09:07] <tiago> i dont like it though
[09:07] <tiago> i liked synaptic better
[09:07] <The_Vox> I don't like synaptic nor kynaptic, I like aptitude :)
[09:08] <tiago> maybe i should download that?
[09:08] <tiago> is it easy to search stuff on it?
[09:08] <The_Vox> tiago: it's already installed...but it's a console program, not an X program
[09:08] <The_Vox> tiago: yes, you just hit / and type whatever you want to find
[09:08] <tiago> oh
[09:10] <gigaclon> but The_Vox aptitude doesn't have super cow powers
[09:11] <The_Vox> gigaclon: of course it does! do "sudo aptitude install cowsay"
[09:11] <martinjh99> That is a brilliant program... :)
[09:12] <martinjh99>  ________
[09:12] <martinjh99> < Ubuntu >
[09:12] <martinjh99>  --------
[09:12] <martinjh99>         \   ^__^
[09:12] <martinjh99>          \  (oo)\_______
[09:12] <martinjh99>             (__)\       )\/\
[09:12] <martinjh99>                 ||----w |
[09:12] <martinjh99>                 ||     ||
[09:12] <martinjh99> :) Sorry!!!
[09:13] <The_Vox> hehehe
[09:13] <tiago> thanx for all the help guys
[09:13] <tiago> its 5:13am over here... im gona hit the sack
[09:13] <supernix> is gcc 4.0 base ok to install ?
[09:14] <martinjh99> No worries tiago catch ya later!
[09:15] <tiago> take care
[09:20] <martinjh99> _________________
[09:20] <martinjh99> < Constipated cow >
[09:20] <martinjh99>  -----------------
[09:20] <martinjh99>         \   ^__^
[09:20] <martinjh99>          \  (#)\_______
[09:20] <martinjh99>             (__)\       )\/\
[09:20] <martinjh99>                 ||----w |
[09:20] <martinjh99>                 ||     ||
[09:20] <dwstil> everytime i try to move my resolv.conf file from my desktop to /etc/ i get an access is denied message...help?
[09:20] <boga> check yr permissions
[09:20] <dwstil> how do i do that?
[09:20] <boga>  when I load a .php file, the browser displays text! How do I make it display the page?
[09:21] <martinjh99> dwstil> do sudo mv resolv.conf /etc and then enter your user password
[09:21] <gigaclon> what should I do to disconnect my ipod?
[09:21] <boga> by doing ls -al and make sure you have `w' for yrself
[09:21] <dwstil> what does this file do?
[09:21] <gigaclon> just unmount?
[09:21] <martinjh99> umount <ipod device>??
[09:22] <gigaclon> so just unmount?
[09:22] <martinjh99> AFAIK yes - Don't have an ipod...
[09:24] <dwstil> i still get permission denied...how do i check my permissions?
[09:24] <gigaclon> right click the file
[09:24] <gigaclon> properties
[09:27] <dwstil> blast
[09:27] <dwstil> i changed everything to read & write
[09:27] <dwstil> still get the error
[09:28] <dwstil> there is no way to start a session as the root user?
[09:28] <jpatrick> no
[09:28] <dwstil> are there any other solutions?
[09:29] <dooglio> dwstil: sudo?
[09:30] <dwstil> i'm a tard
[09:30] <dwstil> thanks!
[09:31] <dooglio> :-)
[09:31] <dwstil> :)
[09:31] <dwstil> are there rules against idling here?
[09:31] <dooglio> heh
[09:31] <dooglio> if so, then they would have kicked me a long time ago
[09:31] <dwstil> lol
[09:31] <dwstil> figured
[09:31] <dooglio> heh
[09:32] <dwstil> thanks man, i'm going to try this modem thing again..hopefully that helped
[09:32] <dwstil> the modem isn't under /dev/modem
[09:32] <dooglio> you have to figure out which serial port it's on
[09:32] <dooglio> then make a softlink
[09:32] <dwstil> ah
[09:32] <dwstil> it's a USB 
[09:32] <dooglio> ex: ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/modem
[09:32] <dooglio> ah
[09:33] <dooglio> then prolly something like /dev/usb/modem
[09:33] <dwstil> is that a problem/
[09:33] <dwstil> ?
[09:33] <dwstil> oh
[09:33] <dwstil> i'll be back...prbobably with questions
[09:33] <dwstil> thanks though
[09:33] <dooglio> sure
[09:33] <dooglio> hope it works
[09:40] <Phati> Wo finde ich kubuntu designs - also zb. son macos design?
[09:40] <dwstil> i can't get past initializing modem
[09:41] <dwstil> the only port that works is tty0
[09:44] <boga>  when I load a .php file, the browser displays text! How do I make it display the page?
[09:46] <hikaru79> Hello =)
[09:46] <dwstil> are you trying to run it off your harddisk?
[09:47] <dwstil> the file that is
[09:47] <boga> yes
[09:48] <dwstil> php files are server executable files, you can only run them from a server
[09:48] <dwstil> so upload it to one and it should come up
[09:49] <boga> yes...I thought I did that by placing this file into my server's doc root
[09:50] <dwstil> ahh you have your own server
[09:51] <dwstil> in that case...i don't know.  it may be your scripting...i think php files start with <?php
[09:51] <boga> yeah...my very box I am using mow
[09:53] <dwstil> yeah
[09:54] <pax> apt-get install php4 php4-mysql | apache-modconf apache enable mod_php4 | apachectl restart
[09:54] <dwstil> i would troubleshoot online but i'm trying to figure out this modem shit
[09:54] <dwstil> i've never had to connect via modem
[09:56] <regeya> aren't you special dwstil
[09:57] <dwstil> special ed
[09:57] <dwstil> i suck at this
[10:33] <gigaclon> k3b is weird when it comes to burning speeds
[10:33] <gigaclon> when a disc is in it only detects 4x
[10:34] <gigaclon> when the tray it out it detects to 24x, but when actually buring only does 10x
[10:35] <Pro_Newbie> Can some1 help me??
[10:37] <gigaclon> maybe
[10:37] <gigaclon> whats your problem
[10:37] <Pro_Newbie> Well i just got a brand new Kubuntu Install
[10:37] <Pro_Newbie> on my pc 
[10:37] <jpatrick> cool
[10:37] <Pro_Newbie> and have a little (maybe X?) problem 
[10:37] <gigaclon> congrats
[10:37] <Pro_Newbie> 10x :)
[10:37] <Pro_Newbie> so 
[10:38] <Pro_Newbie> after a certain period of  time 
[10:38] <Pro_Newbie> desktop goes crazy
[10:38] <Pro_Newbie> and program (example firefox navigation buttons) turn out white or in a palette of colors
[10:39] <Pro_Newbie> and the desktop becomes unusable
[10:39] <Pro_Newbie> and i have to restart the X server with ctrl+alt+F9 and after that Alt+f7 so i could return to normal
[10:40] <Pro_Newbie> but after less than 5 mins it goes nuts again 
[10:40] <Pro_Newbie> and i have res again :(
[10:40] <Pro_Newbie> Any ideas what migh be the problem?
[10:40] <gigaclon> i dunno
[10:40] <gigaclon> driver maybe?
[10:41] <Pro_Newbie> I downloaded the nvidia-glx 
[10:43] <gigaclon> im kinda a newbie too
[10:43] <Pro_Newbie> :(
[10:43] <gigaclon> might want to ask in #ubuntu as well
[10:44] <gigaclon> if you think its a X problem
[10:45] <Pro_Newbie> Well i try but i there would be something like go and ask in #kubuntu :)
[10:47] <gigaclon> well
[10:47] <gigaclon> try this 
[10:47] <gigaclon> installl the ubuntu-desktop package
[10:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone here know if an esonic creative es1371 works with kubuntu?
[10:48] <gigaclon> run gnome for a while and see if the same thing happens
[10:50] <Pro_Newbie> I choosed Kubuntu instad of Ubuntu :)
[10:50] <Pro_Newbie> If i wanted Gnome i would have download the Ubuntu CD
[10:51] <trograin> I have linux..Kubuntu running on my own comp...I have a server too, a Linux server. I need to move easyly and FAST. like NOW files to teh server. HOW do I do that in Linux. what program is the best one?
[10:51] <trograin> for large amounts of files
[10:54] <trograin> anyone?
[10:57] <gdh> rsync? scp? konqueror?
[10:57] <jpatrick> External HD/iPOD
[10:57] <trograin> konqueror??????????
[10:57] <trograin> how do I do it in konqueror?
[10:57] <trograin> never thought of using konqueror fo moving files between computers
[10:57] <gdh> fish://user@hostname
[10:58] <jpatrick> Copy and Paste
[10:58] <arcanistherogue> hey can someone help me with quake2?
[10:58] <trograin> that easy....wow, I try it straight away, thanx man
[10:58] <gdh> fish is a pseudo ssh-based remote filesystem :)
[10:58] <jpatrick> Konqueror's the shell
[11:05] <kakalto> woah
[11:06] <jpatrick> what?
[11:07] <kakalto> dvorak keyboard
[11:07] <kakalto> slow typing for the moment :)
[11:08] <kakalto> i gotta get used to it
[11:09] <jpatrick> righto
[11:09] <kakalto> hehe
[11:33] <boga> I need somebody to help me get phpinfo() work as it should. At present the browser displays entire the entire text.
[11:33] <lz1kwk> HI ALL
[11:33] <lz1kwk> DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO MAKE THE INSTANT MESSANGER WORK ON A LINUX SERVER?
[11:34] <lz1kwk> YUP
[11:34] <lz1kwk> EVERYONE IGNORE ME
[11:35] <frank> lz1kwk: you use CAPS, you get ignored... surprise!
[11:35] <lz1kwk> oh
[11:35] <lz1kwk> oops
[11:35] <lz1kwk> my bad
[11:36] <lz1kwk> and its sarah to u
[11:36] <frank> what is your question exactly?
[11:37] <lz1kwk> how do u get instant messenger to work on a linux server?
[11:37] <frank> like gaim?
[11:37] <lz1kwk> yeah
[11:37] <frank> apt-get install gaim
[11:37] <lz1kwk> how/
[11:37] <lz1kwk> HOW/
[11:37] <frank> for ubuntu at least
[11:37] <lz1kwk> yeah, for ubuntu
[11:37] <lz1kwk> how?
[11:38] <frank> you type    sudo apt-get install gaim in a console
[11:38] <lz1kwk> ok
[11:38] <lz1kwk> thats pretty clear
[11:38] <lz1kwk> but one prob
[11:38] <frank> also  Kopete is already installed in kubuntu
[11:38] <lz1kwk> i know
[11:39] <lz1kwk> but it dont work
[11:39] <frank> why not?
[11:39] <lz1kwk> i dunno
[11:39] <lz1kwk> thats why im askin u
[11:39] <lz1kwk> lol
[11:39] <pv_> and we cannot tell, without you giving any details
[11:39] <frank> I never used kopete though
[11:39] <lz1kwk> when i try to log on
[11:39] <lz1kwk> it just says
[11:39] <lz1kwk> log onto aim and try again
[11:40] <frank> I guess you can try gaim instead...
[11:41] <lz1kwk> how do i?
[11:41] <frank> you type    sudo apt-get install gaim in a console
[11:41] <frank> then gaim should be in the internet menu
[11:41] <lz1kwk> ok
[11:41] <lz1kwk> great
[11:41] <lz1kwk> now
[11:41] <lz1kwk> how do i get to a console
[11:42] <gigaclon> or you could use kynaptic
[11:42] <frank> K->System->Console
[11:42] <frank> K->System->Konsole
[11:42] <lz1kwk> ?
[11:42] <frank> the menu
[11:42] <gigaclon> or K->System->Kynaptic
[11:43] <lz1kwk> ok
[11:43] <lz1kwk> hold on
[11:48] <apokryphos> lz1kwk: to run a program you can also always use Alt+F2 -> {programname}
[11:50] <lz1kwk> ok
[11:50] <lz1kwk> hold on again
[11:52] <lz1kwk> nope didn't work
[11:52] <lz1kwk> frank it didn't work
[11:53] <apokryphos> lz1kwk: you either (i) typed it in wrong, or (ii) you don't have that program
[11:53] <lz1kwk> i dont have the program
[11:53] <lz1kwk> im tryin to install the program
[11:54] <jpowers> lz1kwk: sudo apt-get install gaim will install the program.
[11:55] <jpowers> or ought to.
[12:00] <jpowers> lz1kwk: type alt+f2
[12:00] <jpowers> as in hold down the alt key and hit the f2 button up at the top of the keyboard.
[12:00] <jpowers> that'll bring up the run dialog
[12:00] <jpowers> and in the run dialog type konsole
[12:01] <lz1kwk> powers, i tried
[12:01] <lz1kwk> it didn't work
[12:01] <lz1kwk> thanx alot for all u guys help
[12:01] <lz1kwk> i ll just ask my dad
[12:01] <lz1kwk> hes a computer geek
[12:01] <lz1kwk> lol
[12:04] <jpowers> nickel bet you lz1kwk was actually using windows ;)