[01:18] <tseng> schweeb: holy crap
[01:18] <tseng> schweeb: this gmime package is ANCIENT
[01:18] <tseng> schweeb: it makes me cry
[01:32] <pef> good night !
[02:05] <comadreja> help, I updated and my spanish keyboard stopped working... I get an error "Error activating XKB configuration"
[02:06] <comadreja> I mean, I did a apt-get upgrade
[02:15] <Burgundavia> welcome to the club
[02:15] <\sh> comadreja: don't reboot ,-)
[02:17] <\sh> my system is completely screwed...I removed xlibs..and with it, even ubuntu-desktop...and now try to install it...have to sleep and dreaming about daniels *lol*
[02:17] <tseng> dud
[02:17] <tseng> just empty /etc/X11/kbd/* and you wouldve been fine
[02:17] <\sh> tseng: /etc/X11/kbd doesn't exist anymore
[02:17] <tseng> good going
[02:18] <\sh> and I didn't see which package removed it :(
[02:18] <tseng> xlibs
[02:18] <bddebian> Wow, so some people are alive.  So anyone care to explain UniverseUnmetDeps to me?  I pulled zorp and it FTBFS's much less the unmet deps for the binary
[02:20] <\sh> bddebian: ftbfs with b-d? adjust debian/control, ftbfs with really serious sourcecode problem, adjust the fscking parts and provide patches in debian/patches...and adjust debian/rules for patching the source..after that: bugzilla.ubuntu.com and add the debdiff between version_in_repos with version_you_created and then provide the patch to upstream (debian upstream and source upstream)
[02:21] <\sh> woot...that was too much :) cu tomorrow...finally from console :)
[02:21] <\sh> and tseng, do me a favour, translate it into real english ,-)
[02:21] <bddebian> Whoa..  I know what (well sort of knowA) what to do with FTBFS problems, but what are we supposed to do about the unmet dependencies on the binaries listed on UniverseUnmetDeps ?
[02:22] <\sh> bddebian: unmetdeps are unmetdeps cause of the cxx trans
[02:22] <\sh> so...dch -v x.y.z-nbuildN
[02:22] <\sh> so...dch -v x.y.z-nbuildN -D breezy
[02:22] <\sh> or dch -i (for ubuntu version)
[02:22] <\sh> and don't forget to patch the source ,-)
[02:24] <\sh> and use bugzilla for those things..so I can get a message, and can upload all the stuff with your name and email addr....so whitelist your mail addr with elmo (w.u.c/Upload) so you can be famous ;) now off to bed..6:00pm is my time....that's 4:00 utc
[02:24] <\sh> 6:00am ;)
[02:24] <bddebian> Gnight, thanks \sh
[02:24] <comadreja> it's fucked up
[02:25] <comadreja> now, my X have a resolution like 300x200 :D
[02:25] <\sh> breezy is serious fcked .. yeah..really :)
[02:25] <\sh> dpkg-configure xserver-xorg is helping :)
[02:25] <bddebian> Makes those icons REALLY easy to see ;-P
[02:25] <\sh> but not for the apt-get remove xlibs ,-)
[02:25] <\sh> off to bed
[02:26] <bddebian> OK, now who wants to explain to me what dch -v x.y.z... etc means?  I know dch changes the ChangeLog but wtf??
[02:26] <jbailey> Sets the version of the changelog
[02:27] <jbailey> So in that case, the next upload becomes x.y.
[02:27] <jbailey> z
[02:27] <bddebian> Got that too.  So I don't have to do anything else, just change the ChangeLog and I'm famous?? ;-P
[02:27] <Mithrandir> hi tseng.
[02:28] <tseng> bddebian: you would normally do dch -i
[02:28] <tseng> bddebian: to increment the changelog by 1
[02:28] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Not doing another midnight skinnydip?
[02:28] <tseng> 0ubuntu1 becomes 0ubuntu2
[02:28] <tseng> -1 becomes -2
[02:29] <Mithrandir> jbailey: Mako tried to grab me into the sauna on my way to bed, but I'm tired and Keybuk's giving a talk at 0900 tomorrow, so.
[02:30] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Pity.  Midnight parties with mako are often worth talking about for months after.
[02:30] <bddebian> But if I'm not an MOTU yet, what do I do with any of this?
[02:30] <tseng> revu
[02:30] <tseng> see topic.
[02:30] <jbailey> WTH is xfs.ko 945k?
[02:31] <tseng> jbailey: dude xfs has *always* been massive
[02:31] <Mithrandir> jbailey: I know, but at the same time I would prefer to stay alive. :-)
[02:31] <Mithrandir> and not fall asleep in the sauna or something
[02:31] <bddebian> Is REVU where I should put python-pyrtf that I built for tritium, also?
[02:31] <Mithrandir> but, I'm off for sleep.  It's 03:31 here now
[02:31] <tseng> yes
[02:31] <Mithrandir> so see you all around later
[02:31] <tseng> bye Mithrandir
[02:32] <jbailey> g'n Tollef!
[02:32] <bddebian> Later Mithrandir
[02:33] <bddebian> tseng: Was that yes to me?
[02:34] <tseng> yes
[02:35] <comadreja> is there any way to fix temporarily the keyboard ?
[02:35] <comadreja> I have no ... this symbol you use in the emails, in between of the name and the domain :)
[02:35] <bddebian> Shit, I gotta move my gpg key..
[02:36] <tseng> hm, klammeraffe
[02:37] <comadreja> now, I will be able to only reply mails ! :D
[02:54] <schweeb> tseng: dude, I didn't do gmime, slut
[02:54] <schweeb> gsf-sharp
[02:54] <tseng> i know
[02:54] <schweeb> I'll make you cry.
[02:56] <bddebian> Hmm, I thought this was the "friendly" distro?? ;-)
[02:57] <tseng> not friendly to schweeb, thats for sure
[02:57] <tseng> he broke gmime
[02:57] <schweeb> i sure did
[02:57] <tseng> he also moves tapes for a living
[02:58] <schweeb> h4n
[02:58] <schweeb> if only that were all I did
[02:58] <schweeb> and dude...
[02:58] <schweeb> 2 weeks
[02:58] <schweeb> I won't have to deal with tapes at all
[02:59] <schweeb> we're going completely to clariion disk libraries
[02:59] <bddebian> Hmm, maybe I DON'T wanna be an MOTU :-)
[03:00] <schweeb> yea, it's not a good idea... they're horrible people
[03:01] <schweeb> tseng likes touching little boys in bad places
[03:02] <bddebian> Sheesh :-)
[03:03] <bddebian> tseng == Michael Jackson?
[03:03] <schweeb> wouldn't surprise me if Brandon Hale was one of Michael Jackson's aliases
[03:04] <tseng> wow what the hell
[03:06] <jbailey> tseng: I beleive the word you're looking for is "acquitted"
[03:06] <jbailey> ;)
[03:08] <tseng> i take the dog out for 2 minutes and schweeb is slandering me
[03:08] <tseng> he cant be trusted
[03:08] <schweeb> lol
[03:09] <ajmitch> of course not
[03:09] <schweeb> maybe you shouldn't live on the third floor
[03:09] <jamessan|laptop> schweeb: yay, you're helping to pay my salary
[03:09] <tseng> schweeb: its cheap
[03:09] <schweeb> jamessan|laptop: hrm?
[03:09] <jamessan|laptop> clariion
[03:09] <schweeb> oh
[03:09] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:09] <schweeb> I work for a large EMC customer :)
[03:09] <jamessan|laptop> cool
[03:10] <schweeb> what do you do at EMC?
[03:10] <jamessan|laptop> I work in Clariion's QA group, for now
[03:10] <schweeb> oh, nice
[03:10] <schweeb> we just bought like $16M worth of CDLs
[03:10] <jamessan|laptop> wow
[03:11] <schweeb> well, that probably included the support contract and installation
[03:11] <tseng> whiprush: so im having a hard time exploding muine + ruffle on my current builds
[03:11] <schweeb> jamessan|laptop: but, I work on the chrysler account for eds
[03:11] <jamessan|laptop> eds?
[03:12] <schweeb> a very very large IT corporation
[03:12] <schweeb> http://www.eds.com
[03:12] <schweeb> jamessan|laptop: you guys have purchased my lunch for the last month ;)
[03:13] <jamessan|laptop> neat
[03:13] <jamessan|laptop> man, I wish I got benefits like that  :p
[03:13] <tseng> schweeb: vendor lunches are the best
[03:13] <jamessan|laptop> I just eat crappy cafeteria food
[03:13] <schweeb> that's why you need to work in the field
[03:13] <tseng> we made a challenge at work
[03:13] <jamessan|laptop> they should take me out to lunch after all the work I've put into this last project
[03:13] <schweeb> most of our EMC guys have the corporate cards
[03:14] <tseng> to get different vendors to buy lunch as many consecutive days as possible
[03:14] <schweeb> and get to expense at least one customer lunch a week
[03:14] <schweeb> tseng: we probably ran about 12 days
[03:14] <jamessan|laptop> schweeb: yeah, my roommate has one of those
[03:14] <schweeb> plus a few dinners
[03:14] <tseng> only 5 here :/
[03:14] <jsgotangco> wow
[03:14] <tseng> but we dont do it to customers
[03:14] <tseng> just vendors
[03:14] <schweeb> we also have a good amount of Symmetrix equipment
[03:14] <tseng> anyone trying to sell us something better be ready to buy lunch
[03:15] <schweeb> but CDLs.... frigging cool
[03:15] <jamessan|laptop> I haven't dealt with any Symm stuff
[03:15] <jamessan|laptop> just spent about 4 months coming up with a new testing strategy, so we're about to start implementing that
[03:16] <tseng> good night schweeb and co
[03:16] <schweeb> what kind of testing? like against different patchlevels of client systems... or just of the clariion internal software itself
[03:16] <schweeb> night tseng
[03:17] <jsgotangco> CDL = CLARiiON?
[03:17] <schweeb> yea
[03:17] <jsgotangco> jeezz
[03:17] <schweeb> clariion disk library
[03:17] <schweeb> a little different than a regular clariion
[03:17] <schweeb> it emulates a tape library
[03:17] <jamessan|laptop> this testing was specific to the rebuild/equalize stuff on the array.  decided to try a more 'white box' approach, so we got to study design specs and all that to help come up with test cases
[03:18] <schweeb> they're built on the same frames as clariions... just a little different software
[03:18] <jamessan|laptop> kind of a feeler project to see if this approach is viable and how much it helps our current testing
[03:18] <schweeb> we have a bunch of CDLs w/ CX700 frames
[03:19] <schweeb> wonderful technology
[03:19] <jsgotangco> wonderful price
[03:19] <schweeb> yea, we bought the SATA models
[03:19] <jsgotangco> it pays off anyway im sure
[03:19] <schweeb> maxed out the frames... 55TB I believe
[03:20] <jamessan|laptop> too bad the SATAII stuff isn't out yet
[03:20] <whiprush> tseng: that sounds promising.
[03:20] <schweeb> jamessan|laptop: if I weren't making the money doing what I'm doing... I'd probably want to be working for EMC
[03:20] <jsgotangco> whiprush, hey
[03:21] <jamessan|laptop> schweeb: they're a nice company.  I've been working for them for about 3 years (co-op and full time).  gonna try to move into development in the next year or so
[03:22] <jamessan|laptop> I'm waiting to see what happens with the Cisco.  They were thinking about trying to buy us
[03:22] <jamessan|laptop> s/the //
[03:22] <schweeb> yea
[03:23] <schweeb> we're migrating to cisco directors currently
[03:23] <bddebian> I send a signed CoC to Mako right?
[03:23] <schweeb> yes
[03:23] <whiprush> hi jsgotangco!
[03:23] <ajmitch> bddebian: planning to join us?
[03:23] <bddebian> ajmitch: Of course
[03:23] <bddebian> ajmitch: Are you afraid? ;-)
[03:24] <ajmitch> about time..
[03:24] <jsgotangco> whiprush, i've read you've been dabbling with hula lately
[03:24] <schweeb> that reminds me, I should probably start packaging some stuff again
[03:24] <schweeb> been a while
[03:24] <ajmitch> hi jsgotangco, whiprush
[03:24] <schweeb> I'm such a slacker.
[03:24] <whiprush> jsgotangco: yup.
[03:24] <whiprush> hi aj!
[03:24] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, hi how have you been?
[03:24] <bddebian> What is mako's e-mail to send?  I can't remember what wiki page that is on??
[03:24] <schweeb> ajmitch: fine, just ignore me
[03:24] <ajmitch> good, how about you?
[03:24] <whiprush> mako@ubuntu.com
[03:24] <whiprush> ajmitch: good good.
[03:24] <jamessan|laptop> bah, I can't compose coherent thoughts tonight
[03:24] <bddebian> whiprush: Thanks
[03:25] <jsgotangco> whiprush, what's the live hula server have? nightly builds? I don't see that much difference
[03:25] <whiprush> just found out the guy coordinating the new artwork team is also from my area.
[03:25] <schweeb> jamessan|laptop: alcohol tends to do that
[03:25] <whiprush> Our Loco grows!
[03:25] <ajmitch> schweeb: would I do that?
[03:25] <jamessan|laptop> schweeb: I wish that was the problem
[03:25] <whiprush> jsgotangco: yeah, nightly builds. I mostly set it up so that when they check in the new web stuff I'll be ready.
[03:25] <schweeb> whiprush: we have the bestest loco ever
[03:25] <schweeb> too bad I'm lazy
[03:25] <schweeb> cause I could actually accomplish useful stuff
[03:26] <ajmitch> there are some at the local LUG, I think
[03:26] <schweeb> tseng: are you fully gone yet?
[03:27] <schweeb> tseng: what's a good sample mono -cil package to use, so I can repackage gsf-sharp
[03:27] <bddebian> messages sent to siretart and mako... Here I go.. :-)
[03:28] <ajmitch> bddebian: got packages ready then?
[03:29] <bddebian> ajmitch: 1.  Gonna work on more in a bit
[03:29] <ajmitch> what 1 have you done?
[03:29] <schweeb> haha
[03:29] <schweeb> nice
[03:30] <schweeb> gsf-sharp cvs hasn't even been modified since my last package
[03:30] <ajmitch> schweeb: perhaps it has been moved
[03:30] <schweeb> doubtful
[03:32] <ajmitch> looks like you may be right - last change 4 months ago
[03:33] <schweeb> yep
[03:33] <schweeb> wonder if I should bother updating the package
[03:34] <schweeb> hell, if tseng doesn't end up using it for beagle... there's not much point on even including it
[03:35] <schweeb> yea, that's the exact same version that I packaged 3.5 months aog
[03:35] <schweeb> *ago
[03:35] <bddebian> ajmitch: I upgraded python-pyrtf for tritium
[03:36] <bddebian> WHAT, there's no Pennsylvania LoCo?? WTF :-)
[03:38] <ajmitch> bddebian: stop complaining & start one :)
[03:42] <comadreja> how can I change my gnome keyboard to US ? the gnome-keyboard-thingy crashes...
[03:46] <whiprush> bddebian: I believe tseng is from PA.
[03:47] <bddebian> How the hell can we already have a zorp binary when it FTBFSs?
[03:47] <bddebian> Listen to me use "we"... heh
[03:47] <bddebian> tseng: Is that true?
[03:52] <schweeb> whiprush: think he's in mass or maine right now though
[03:52] <schweeb> mass I think
[03:56] <ajmitch> bddebian: it was built before other changes made it FTBFS?
[03:57] <bddebian> Seems strange
[03:57] <bddebian> I get "too few arguments passed to z_stream_new".  But I can't find where z_stream_new is defined
[04:03] <bddebian> Ohh, there it is
[04:13] <bddebian> Heh, it FTBFSs on Debian too
[04:14] <seth_k> bddebian, you got your key signed? lucky :P
[04:14] <bddebian> seth_k: I did?
[04:15] <ajmitch> you'd better have it signed by now..
[04:15] <seth_k> oh, you didn't
[04:16] <ajmitch> you've met enough DDs
[04:16] <seth_k> am waiting to hear back from mako on what I am supposed to do, probably will have to get a physically signed copy notarized :/
[04:16] <bddebian> ajmitch: I wasn't sure what he meant. I got several signatures at FOSDEM :-)
[04:16] <seth_k> but he hasnt' returned my mail yet
[04:17] <ajmitch> bddebian: great
[04:17] <bddebian> seth_k: You anywhere near Philly? ;-)
[04:17] <seth_k> -_-
[04:17] <seth_k> I'm in the middle of nowhereeeee
[04:17] <ajmitch> seth_k: so am I - way down in NZ :)
[04:18] <bddebian> Fuck, stream.h does come from libzorp11
[04:18] <ajmitch> except that I know there's about 4 or 5 DDs in this town
[04:18] <bddebian> Grr
[04:21] <jbailey> ajmitch: Umm.,  and you went to UDU.
[04:21] <jbailey> ajmitch: Didn't you get enough sigs there? =)
[04:21] <ajmitch> jbailey: sure :)
[04:21] <ajmitch> jbailey: but in case my key gets lost/compromised, I can get it re-signed without too many troubles :)
[04:23] <jbailey> True
[04:23] <bddebian> Egads.  zorp in Ubuntu is 2.0.8.  Debian has 2.0.9 but upstream is 3.0.4.3  wtf..
[04:24] <jbailey> What's zorp?
[04:24] <bddebian> A proxy firewall apparently
[04:24] <ajmitch> bddebian: so the debian maintainer is a little behind..
[04:25] <bddebian> I was just working backwards from the UniverseUnmetDeps list
[04:25] <ajmitch> considering that the bugs there are > 3 months old for some of them
[04:26] <bddebian> And considering that 3.0.4.3 was release on 4/26/2005 :-)
[04:26] <bddebian> s/release/released
[04:26] <Amaranth> anyone running xorg -41?
[04:26] <jbailey> PRobably just ignored it for the sarg freeze.
[04:26] <comadreja> Amaranth > me
[04:26] <Amaranth> it works?
[04:26] <ajmitch> jbailey: all the bugs were ignored, including the FTBFS :)
[04:26] <comadreja> except the keyboard... yes
[04:26] <comadreja> I had to remap it with xmodmap
[04:26] <ajmitch> Amaranth: I've upgraded, haven't restarted the X server
[04:27] <Amaranth> ah yes, daniels said that would happen
[04:27] <jbailey> -41?  Wow.
[04:27] <jbailey> I'm on -34 here.
[04:27] <Amaranth> you have to recreate a symlink
[04:27] <Amaranth> i'm on -36
[04:27] <ajmitch> jbailey: you're about 2-3 days behind then :)
[04:27] <Amaranth> -34 was the first to split xserver
[04:27] <jbailey> ajmitch: Sounds about right.
[04:28] <jbailey> I usually update and reboot monday morning, and update occasionally when things I notice things I care about getting updated.
[04:28] <comadreja> Amaranth : did daniels say when would that be fixed _
[04:28] <jbailey> (ephy, gaim, evo, etc...)
[04:28] <Amaranth> comadreja: You need to create an xkb symlink or something
[04:29] <comadreja> Amaranth : is that documented somewhere ?
[04:29] <Amaranth> no
[04:29] <Amaranth> i don't think i have logs either
[04:29] <comadreja> Amaranth : I need it badly
[04:31] <bddebian> OK, now what :-(
[04:32] <bddebian> Should I update the UniverseUnmetDeps wiki page?
[04:36] <comadreja> is there any tool that prints the keycode of the key I'm typing ?
[04:36] <Amaranth> xev
[04:36] <comadreja> thanks
[04:42] <bddebian> where'd everybody go?? :-)
[04:44] <ajmitch> I'm still at work :)
[04:44] <bddebian> Sorry for you :-)
[04:45] <seth_k> i just ate
[04:45] <ajmitch> it pays the bills :)
[04:45] <ajmitch> might even pay for me to get some computer upgrades
[04:45] <seth_k> or, you might consider the possibility that everyone hates you and is hiding from you, bddebian
[04:46] <bddebian> seth_k: Well that much is probably true
[04:46] <bddebian> ajmitch: I feel really bad.  I keep meaning to send the damn laptop.. :-(
[04:55] <bddebian> Anyone have any idea what TeX capacity exceeded means ?
[04:56] <seth_k> tweak texmf.cnf (usually located in /etc/texmf)
[04:56] <seth_k> give the whiner more main_memory
[04:57] <seth_k> or maybe it's pool_size
[04:57] <seth_k> increase one of those
[04:57] <seth_k> or both
[04:57] <bddebian> texmf.cnf?
[04:57] <ajmitch> bddebian: ah, you haven't sent it yet? :)
[04:58] <bddebian> ajmitch: No. :'-(
[04:58] <seth_k> you can send me another laptop while you're at it, bddebian :D
[04:59] <bddebian> seth_k: Sure, I'll add you to the list :-)
[04:59] <seth_k> haha
[04:59] <seth_k> is there a story behind you having laptops lying around?
[05:00] <bddebian> I used to get a bunch where I used to work.  My "stash" is dwindling though now that I work for a po-dunk company.. :-(
[05:00] <ajmitch> seth_k: companies tend to cycle through hardware every few years :)
[05:01] <ajmitch> at one point I could have picked up some p3 laptops fairly cheaply from a client
[05:01] <bddebian> It kicked ass when I was getting a bunch of PowerBooks
[05:03] <schweeb> ajmitch: p3 laptops are worthless though
[05:03] <schweeb> slow and powerhungry
[05:03] <ajmitch> schweeb: dude, I've got a 400MHz p2
[05:03] <schweeb> hahaha
[05:03] <bddebian> Hey
[05:03] <schweeb> you suck :p
[05:03] <ajmitch> it was good enough to use at UDU ;)
[05:03] <schweeb> I have a 1.7Ghz P4-M and a 1.5Ghz P-M
[05:04] <schweeb> Dell and IBM, respectively
[05:04] <bddebian> Damn, sounds like schweeb should be the new hardware whore.. ;-P
[05:04] <schweeb> well
[05:04] <schweeb> my Desktop is a Duron 700
[05:04] <schweeb> so I don't go too overboard
[05:04] <seth_k> understood ajmitch, just wasn't sure if there was more of a story than that
[05:05] <schweeb> that 1.7Ghz P4-M is 3+ years old
[05:05] <schweeb> the 1.5Ghz P-M is 1 month old
[05:05] <seth_k> the PII is trash though, screen is shot. Hence headless server time for it
[05:05] <bddebian> pfft
[05:05] <ajmitch> my desktop is similar, but 1800+
[05:06] <ajmitch> the screen on my laptop looked like it was heading south at one point
[05:06] <ajmitch> but hasn't yet
[05:06] <schweeb> both of my screen hinges are broke
[05:06] <seth_k> I should take a picture of mine, it has this cool wavy strip down the middle
[05:06] <schweeb> I'm not buying another Dell laptop, ever
[05:06] <bddebian> 2 - 3Ghz desktops, 2 - 1Ghz laptops, 2 - p2 800mhz, 1 - 1Ghz desktop, 1 - 550Mhz desktop, and 1 lowly p2 - 450
[05:06] <seth_k> schweeb: my hinges busted once, had to order new ones.
[05:06] <seth_k> bddebian: you suck
[05:06] <ajmitch> bddebian: not bad
[05:06] <schweeb> IBM all the way
[05:06] <seth_k> :)
[05:07] <seth_k> does IBM put Windows (excuse me, Meta) keys on their notebooks yet?
[05:07] <schweeb> next purchase is going to be either a rackmount or a dual opteron setup
[05:07] <seth_k> I remember that drove me mad when I had to use one awhile back
[05:07] <schweeb> seth_k: no
[05:07] <bddebian> Oh yeah and a power hungry Compaq Proliant Dual p2-450 that I am not runnig atm
[05:08] <seth_k> I wonder if Lenovo will kill IBM's personal computer stuff by being crappy
[05:08] <bddebian> OK, all of thse LaTeX warnings are pissing me off
[05:08] <schweeb> seth_k: absolutely not
[05:08] <schweeb> it's the same equipment
[05:08] <schweeb> just new name
[05:08] <schweeb> this X41 is a Lenovo built system
[05:09] <schweeb> plus they're still pretty tightly associated with IBM
[05:09] <Burgundavia> they can use the name for 5 years
[05:09] <bddebian> I dunno, like Lexmark?  They let those printers go to shit.. :-)
[05:09] <schweeb> everyone's low end printers are shit now
[05:10] <schweeb> lexmark makes fine higher end printers
[05:10] <Burgundavia> HP has a policy that if 3 parts break on their low end printers, they just replace the whole thing
[05:10] <Burgundavia> that is how little they are wroth
[05:10] <seth_k> I love my Canon printers. I've never had one go out on me
[05:10] <seth_k> they just keep on going and going and going
[05:10] <seth_k> their linux driver support is pretty shoddy though
[05:11] <bddebian> save size=5000
[05:11] <schweeb> I need to get around to purchasing a laser printer one of these days
[05:11] <bddebian> POS
[05:11] <schweeb> I will print on nothing less
[05:11] <bddebian> Yep, got a laser printer laying around too :-)
[05:11] <schweeb> by laser printer, I don't mean an old hplj4 or 5 :p
[05:12] <seth_k> lol. bddebian: Offical Ubuntu Dev Supplier
[05:12] <schweeb> I mean a reasonably new one, of a decent series
[05:12] <bddebian> It's a 6P sheesh ;-P
[05:12] <schweeb> blech
[05:12] <ajmitch> seth_k: nah, official Hurd Dev Supplier ;)
[05:12] <schweeb> 4000 series at the least
[05:12] <schweeb> anything else is just aching for trouble
[05:12] <bddebian> You want the big ass ugly Lexmark from work instead since you think they work? :-)
[05:13] <schweeb> you know what are wonderful printers?
[05:13] <schweeb> Tektronix
[05:13] <bddebian> ajmitch: Amen to that :-)
[05:13] <bddebian> Yes
[05:13] <schweeb> their color wax printers rule
[05:13] <seth_k> Tektronix, they made those pwnage solid-ink printers, right?
[05:13] <schweeb> yes
[05:13] <seth_k> yeah
[05:14] <schweeb> now owned by Xerox
[05:14] <bddebian> OK, I'm sick of building FreePascal already
[05:14] <seth_k> i loved their free black ink for the life of the printer promo
[05:14] <schweeb> yea
[05:14] <schweeb> they did the free printer deal at my last job
[05:14] <schweeb> that's like an $800+ printer... free
[05:15] <schweeb> only had to print out a report on usage at the end of every month
[05:15] <schweeb> I need to get my dad to try CYCAS and see if his old autocad files will open in CYCAS in Linux.
[05:15] <schweeb> Compatibility with DXF (and DWG?) has been a hold up for converting his desktop to Linux for years. He is still running a version of Windows 98 that was actually installed in 1998. Its the must cluttered and unstable windows desktop Ive ever known.
[05:16] <bddebian> Heh
[05:16] <seth_k> heh. Anything with Windows 98 can't be the most unstable Windows ever, since Windows ME is the definition of unstable
[05:16] <bddebian> Tell him to upgrade to ME ;-P
[05:16] <bddebian> seth_k: Doh, you beat me to it.. :-)
[05:16] <seth_k> :D
[05:17] <schweeb> uuurrrgh
[05:17] <schweeb> sorry... middle click paste
[05:17] <schweeb> from blog
[05:17] <ajmitch> heh
[05:18] <schweeb> been a while since I did that
[05:18] <schweeb> the last laptop that always happened cause the trackpad was fucked
[05:18] <seth_k> click, click, click
[05:18] <schweeb> this time, I actually have a middle button on the laptop
[05:19] <schweeb> just accidentally hit it w/ my thumb while reaching for the space bar
[05:19] <bddebian> Oh look a reply from mako already
[05:20] <bddebian> j/k seth_k  ;-P
[05:20] <seth_k> lol
[05:20] <seth_k> I sent him an e-mail on the 5th actually. But I suspect it was probably filtered because I forgot to clearsign, so sent him a binary attachment
[05:21] <seth_k> so resent it Tuesday, with an ascii attachment
[05:22] <ajmitch> bddebian: now that you've signed it, you're bound to spend all your spare time on ubuntu, of course
[05:25] <bddebian> ajmitch: Like I don't already? :-)
[05:26] <ajmitch> bddebian: not nearly enough :)
[05:26] <ajmitch> you probably still spend far too much time with your family :)
[05:27] <bddebian> Heh
[05:28] <schweeb> heh
[05:28] <schweeb> I signed, and I only chat on IRC as of late :p
[05:28] <comadreja> howdy
[05:28] <comadreja> I finally got keyboard...
[05:28] <schweeb> which reminds me, I need to poke mako again, to check if he was able to import my key properly yet
[05:29] <schweeb> finalize the membership status
[05:29] <comadreja> what are the privileges of being member ?
[05:30] <Burgundavia> you get an ubuntu.com email addy, if you want
[05:30] <comadreja> that's cool :)
[05:30] <schweeb> I don't think they've set that up as of yet
[05:30] <bddebian> You can feel special? :-)
[05:30] <Burgundavia> ogra has one
[05:30] <schweeb> there are other bennies... you get to vote on certain stuff, etc..
[05:30] <comadreja> I'll try to get my membership this tuesday
[05:30] <schweeb> yea, but ogra has main upload access
[05:31] <comadreja> let's see if they're good to me :)
[05:31] <schweeb> I've also heard stirrings of business cards and the like
[05:31] <comadreja> that would be really cool
[05:32] <comadreja> are you all members ?
[05:32] <robitaille> Burgundavia:  @ubuntu.com address are tough to get... has any member got one beside ogra?
[05:32] <Burgundavia> no idea
[05:32] <seth_k> do all members present at a meeting vote to confirm new members? or just the cc...
[05:32] <schweeb> just the cc
[05:33] <schweeb> but members can vouch for people
[05:33] <robitaille> but we'll vote on the CC members when their term are up
[05:33] <crimsun> right.
[05:34] <bddebian> I tried to become a CC member but ogra laughed at me. ;-P
[05:34] <seth_k> anyone know what mako will have me do since it's unlikely I'll be able to get my key signed? Notary public + CoC?
[05:35] <schweeb> CC member or ubuntu member?  CC is pretty tough
[05:35] <schweeb> seth_k: he'll figure out something
[05:35] <crimsun> where are you located, seth_k?
[05:35] <ajmitch> bddebian: why would you go for CC member?
[05:35] <bddebian> Hmm, maybe Ubuntu member, sorry
[05:35] <comadreja> Amaranth : if you talk to daniels... ask him if his ears beep.
[05:35] <seth_k> we talked about this once crimsun, you were maybe going to stop by on your way to Texas :P
[05:35] <bddebian> Eventually wanna MOTU if I can get a brain :-)
[05:35] <schweeb> bddebian: ubuntu member requires a decent amount of visibility and contribution
[05:35] <ajmitch> bddebian: ok, membership requires some existing contributions :)
[05:36] <bddebian> seth_k: Where are you?
[05:36] <seth_k> depending on the time of year (university or not), Joplin, MO or Norman, OK
[05:36] <ajmitch> so get working
[05:36] <ajmitch> :)
[05:36] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'm trying but everything seems to be kicking my arse.. :'-(
[05:36] <crimsun> seth_k: I'm in MN for 4 more weeks, then I'll be in NC for a while
[05:36] <ajmitch> kick back then
[05:36] <seth_k> bddebian: kick harder
[05:36] <schweeb> crimsun: you should come through MI on your way back from MN :p
[05:36] <seth_k> now just to get the crazy CoC signed <_<
[05:37] <crimsun> schweeb: I may take a weekend and just drive
[05:37] <crimsun> perhaps next weekend
[05:37] <crimsun> can't do it this weekend
[05:37] <schweeb> if you're anywhere between Detroit and Flint, gimme a ring
[05:37] <comadreja> what's the Karma in Launchpad ?
[05:37] <bddebian> For example, FreePascal build is now trying to run "make -C install/demo sourceinstall" but install/demo dir doesn't exist.. :-(
[05:38] <seth_k> comadreja: when you do things like comment on bugs, you get karma
[05:38] <seth_k> afaict
[05:39] <crimsun> seth_k: / schweeb: we can try for next weekend
[05:39] <comadreja> seth_k : haven't you signed the CoC through launchpad ?
[05:40] <seth_k> comadreja: I have indeed
[05:40] <comadreja> seth_k : is that not valid for membership ?
[05:40] <schweeb> comadreja: he needs his key signed by more people though, I believe
[05:40] <seth_k> comadreja: I need my key signed to be pulled into the strong set before that signature is worth anything
[05:40] <crimsun> he needs to be in the strong set
[05:40] <crimsun> right
[05:40] <comadreja> and how do you get your key signed ?
[05:41] <schweeb> which reminds me
[05:41] <ajmitch> by meeting people in the strong set & getting them to sign it :)
[05:41] <schweeb> I hope I remember my key's password
[05:41] <schweeb> it's still on the other laptop
[05:41] <schweeb> heh
[05:41] <comadreja> cool :) but I mean, how can they trust you if not personally ?
[05:41] <ajmitch> bddebian: you could do a world keysigning tour
[05:41] <seth_k> well, you use `gpg --sign-key keyid` :P
[05:41] <ajmitch> comadreja: you have to have photo id - it's trusting that you are who you say you are
[05:41] <comadreja> I know, but that's not secure
[05:41] <ajmitch> eg using passport, drivers license
[05:42] <comadreja> ajmitch : that's more secure
[05:42] <bddebian> ajmitch: I like that idea.  I could definetly hit NZ and AU :-)
[05:42] <ajmitch> comadreja: it's pretty much required to maintain integrity of the strong set
[05:42] <ajmitch> bddebian: cool, when are you visiting?
[05:43] <bddebian> After I win the lottery and get divorced ;-P
[05:43] <comadreja> bddebian : you married ?
[05:43] <bddebian> comadreja: Yep, wife and 3 daughters
[05:43] <schweeb> hopefully the next Ubuntu conf is someplace sweet
[05:43] <schweeb> I plan on going
[05:44] <ajmitch> I hope to go, but I doubt I will
[05:44] <comadreja> when is it ?
[05:44] <ajmitch> not likely that they'd sponsor me
[05:44] <schweeb> right after release is it?
[05:44] <schweeb> ajmitch: yea, they'll probably sponsor a different set of people this time
[05:44] <schweeb> far diff
[05:45] <schweeb> hopefully I'm in a position to do something interesting and get sponsored
[05:46] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, what leads you to suspect that they will sponsor different people?
[05:46] <schweeb> Burgundavia: what's the point of sponsoring the same set of people every time
[05:47] <Burgundavia> schweeb, they are actually doing the work?
[05:47] <schweeb> of course all the core people will be there... and probably ogra and dholbach
[05:47] <schweeb> there will be different initiatives for the next conference, hence, different people
[05:47] <Burgundavia> true
[05:47] <Burgundavia> but some things will remain the same
[05:47] <Burgundavia> and they will sponsor the key people to the conference
[05:48] <schweeb> of course
[05:48] <schweeb> but ajmitch is worthless trash :P
[05:48] <schweeb> ajmitch: <3
[05:48] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: I didn't say different people, I just said not me
[05:48] <Burgundavia> true
[05:49] <robitaille> sponsor = ???  (plane?  hotel?  everything?)
[05:50] <Burgundavia> robitaille, varying levels
[05:50] <Burgundavia> I got a few days at the end of Mataro in a canonical hotel room
[05:51] <ajmitch> UDU was travel, accomodation & food
[05:53] <robitaille> sounds good.  Wonder where the next one will be.
[05:54] <crimsun> somewhere in south america, hopefully
[05:54] <crimsun> brazil would totally rule
[05:54] <Burgundavia> given Breezy+1 is launchpad live, I wouldn't be surprised about brazil
[05:54] <bddebian> w00t, I got FreePascal debs
[05:55] <bddebian> dumb, dumb, DUBM
[05:55] <bddebian> DUMB even..
[05:55] <bddebian> Shix, I forgot the 0ubuntu1 version... :'-(
[05:55] <robitaille> Burgundavia:  that's probably a very good guess.
[05:56] <robitaille> any motu who wants to get mutt-ng into Ubnutu?  Wasted over an hour to try to compile it last night after reading \sh blog...
[05:56] <ajmitch> bddebian: so rebuild it, shouldn't take long :)
[05:57] <ajmitch> robitaille: I use mutt, so I might be tempted :)
[05:57] <comadreja> how can I check which one of the build-deps is the one that can't be met ?
[05:57] <ajmitch> use pbuilder :)
[05:57] <comadreja> or debuild :) I mean, there must be something else, right ?
[05:57] <ajmitch> have you got that setup now?
[05:57] <comadreja> yep
[05:58] <ajmitch> pbuilder runs a debuil-dep check before building
[05:58] <ajmitch> and only has a minimal set of packages installed
[05:58] <ajmitch> so you will get failures if you miss a build-dep
[05:58] <comadreja> yep, cool
[05:59] <robitaille> ajmitch:  I suspect the normal mutt-ng would compile.  I was getting errors trying to turn on the libesmtp option/patch in it.  And of course the only debian package I would find was for experimental...and it doesn't install on Hoary :)
[05:59] <ajmitch> robitaille: ok, using the debs in the ITP bugreport?
[06:00] <ajmitch> http://www.lxtec.de/debarchiv
[06:00] <robitaille> ajmitch: I think so...it was getting late last night when I tried that attempt :)
[06:01] <ajmitch> ok
[06:02] <robitaille> http://packages.debian.org/experimental/mail/mutt-ng
[06:02] <ajmitch> ah yes, I see
[06:03] <ajmitch> it's the top entry on the mutt-ng blog
[06:18] <bddebian> Damnit, what is the dhc syntax?
[06:22] <ajmitch> dhc?
[06:23] <bddebian> dch, sorry.  NM, I got it :-)
[06:23] <ajmitch> ah
[06:25] <bddebian> OK, this Ubuntu crap is really hampering my pr0n time. ;-)
[06:28] <ajmitch> simple, give up the pr0n
[06:29] <ajmitch> robitaille: mutt-ng built fine on breezy
[06:29] <bddebian> Damn man.. :-(
[06:29] <bddebian> That's like asking me to give up smoking. :-)
[06:34] <schweeb> s/smoking/breathing
[06:34] <bddebian> heh
[06:39] <ajmitch> night schweeb
[06:40] <bddebian> Gnight schweeb
[06:40] <bddebian> W00t, got ubuntu1 debs this time!!
[06:42] <seth_k> gj
[06:42] <bddebian> Shix, still a weird lintian error though.  My orig.tar.gz must be jacked.. :-(
[06:45] <bddebian> Well bed time I guess.  Gnight folks
[06:46] <crimsun> ni
[08:45] <sivang> morning all!
[08:47] <Treenaks> hey sivang
[08:49] <Lathiat> ok
[08:49] <Lathiat> time for some glu bashing
[08:49] <Lathiat> is it CraZy GLUE?
[08:50] <Treenaks> Lathiat: Crazy GLU
[08:50] <Lathiat> thats what i meant
[08:50] <Lathiat> th eE slipped
[08:50] <Lathiat> and woudl this tsume guy fuck off
[08:50] <Lathiat> he was being a dick last night too
[08:50] <Treenaks> urgh
[09:04] <Lathiat> yay
[09:04] <Lathiat> snes9x didnt pollute my debdiff
[09:05] <Lathiat> hrm, undefined reference to `errno`
[09:06] <Lathiat> i thought that was like
[09:06] <Lathiat> a standard thing
[09:07] <Treenaks> Lathiat: you do need to #include stuff for it
[09:07] <Lathiat> yeh but youd think thatd exist already
[09:07] <Lathiat> might be a gcc4 change
[09:16] <Lathiat> hrm
[09:16] <Lathiat> it still faisl to build
[09:16] <Treenaks> morning shaway
[09:16] <\sh> hey
[09:17] <\sh> damn..my system is completly fcked...
[09:17] <\sh> and all the rest is horrible borked
[09:17] <Lathiat> so, zutil.h does eiteher
[09:18] <Lathiat> #ifdef NO_ERRNO_H
[09:18] <Lathiat>     extern int errno;
[09:18] <Lathiat> #else
[09:18] <Lathiat> #   include <errno.h>
[09:18] <Lathiat> #endif
[09:18] <Lathiat> which is included from the appropriate files
[09:21] <\sh> to have more work when zlib is exploitable? ,-)
[09:21] <Lathiat> heh
[09:21] <Lathiat> ooh
[09:21] <Lathiat> theres a point
[09:21] <Lathiat> not that i guess it matters that much
[09:22] <herve> morning
[09:23] <Lathiat> so
[09:23] <Lathiat> apparently
[09:23] <Lathiat> its not including it properly
[09:23] <Lathiat> cus after adding an include myself it works
[09:23] <Lathiat> hm
[09:52] <cat> hey people
[09:53] <cat> ogra: you there?
[09:53] <ogra> cat, not really yet
[09:53] <ogra> cat, what can i do for you ?
[09:54] <Burgundavia> morning ogra
[09:54] <cat> hey listen i will love to be a ubuntu developer,
[09:54] <cat> do you star from some where,
[09:54] <ogra> great :)
[09:54] <ogra> wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU (and the related pages linked from there) is your startpoint....
[09:55] <herve> and the Debian developer documentations
[09:56] <\sh> whats up with the packages...they're all borked
[09:56] <cat> listen ogra  do i need to be sponsor like in debian?
[09:56] <comadreja> morning all
[09:56] <herve> at first, yes
[09:57] <cat> to upload packes, and stuff
[09:57] <comadreja> I'm trying to rebuid gcl, it gives lots of errors. anyone has tried ?
[09:57] <herve> anyway, you need people to review your work and evaluate your skills
[09:57] <ogra> cat, best case (if you are really smart) you become a MOTU within 4 weeks ;) so the sponsoring time might be very short :) normally it takes a bit longer
[09:57] <Lathiat> cat: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTURecruitment
[09:57] <comadreja> I have solved gcc ones, but now it gives lisp errors
[09:57] <ogra> cat, we do everything in a team, so the team you meet in here actually is your sponsor
[09:58] <cat> oh nice,
[09:58] <cat> i'm current a Linux teacher on F.i.u florida internation university, developer on debian, but got out of it
[09:59] <herve> you mean you were a official debian zealot?
[09:59] <ogra> cat, easiest to get in is to look at the different package transition lists and start fixing packages right away... most of them need a one line dependency change in the package, its a ery easy task and you get familiar with the packages... reading the debian new maintainers guide is very helpful btw ;)
[10:00] <cat> yeah,
[10:00] <cat> i'm downloading ubuntu, so i'm gonna check the packages, and fixed bugs, and star writting documentation, for them, and help to get the docs better, and better for newbies (:
[10:01] <Burgundavia> cat, #ubuntu-doc for docs
[10:02] <cat> yeah but first i will take a look at the packages, and see what's going on with them and fixed them
[10:03] <ogra> ... we use dpkg-buildpackage, pbuilder and dpatch as well as the debhelper scripts and cdbs. so gaining knowledge about these tools over time would be good for you.... :)
[10:04] <cat> i'm good with dpkg-buildpackage pbuilder dpatch debhelper scripts
[10:04] <cat> i got out of debian like 2 months ago
[10:04] <herve> ogra, debuild?
[10:04] <ogra> but all the people around in here will happily help you and answer your questions as they come :)
[10:04] <cat> yeah,
[10:04] <ogra> herve, indeed... (i never use it personally though)
[10:05] <cat> do you mainteners get ubuntulinux.org mails ? or just normals emails such as you'r current email address from you'r ISP or gmail or whatever
[10:05] <herve> you don't miss the nice log output? :-)
[10:05] <Lathiat> saves typing -rfakeroot
[10:05] <ogra> lol
[10:05] <herve> Lathiat, and log output
[10:05] <Lathiat> cat: while its planned in future to get @(i think ubuntu.com), it doesnt happen at the moment
[10:05] <herve> cat, I use a regular email, but we were told about ubuntu.com emails
[10:05] <ogra> i love to type more and read the output as it scrolls by :)
[10:06] <cat> oh nice
[10:06] <Lathiat> it was planned anyway
[10:06] <Lathiat> no idea if its still the case
[10:06] <ogra> that depends on launchpad... if oits ready, every member will get a adress automatically
[10:06] <Burgundavia> I want hula integration with launchpad, when it is ready
[10:07] <ogra> cat, do you have a signed gpg key ?
[10:07] <cat> yes i do,
[10:07] <ogra> Burgundavia, talk to herzi, he makes our hula packages
[10:07] <ogra> cat, great :) thats the biggest hurdle for most people
[10:08] <cat> http://db.debian.org/fetchkey.cgi?fingerprint=E81F689C88B018FBC37CD8D01E440865872EB4E5
[10:08] <cat> sorry about the spam
[10:09] <Lathiat> cat: why did you leave debian?
[10:09] <Burgundavia> ogra, I have heard hula, first stable release in sept/oct
[10:10] <cat> college
[10:10] <ogra> Burgundavia, yes, but we have prerelease packages in universe ;)
[10:10] <cat> but i'm back already,
[10:10] <ogra> cat, hey, you are near :) http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?FROM=A2D06936&TO=872EB4E5&PATHS=trust+paths
[10:10] <cat> back on debian
[10:11] <cat> yeah
[10:11] <ogra> so about buerocracy.....
[10:12] <cat> ogra: hey how long do i have to wait for the ubuntu cds to get shippeD?
[10:12] <Lathiat> cat: just wait, and keep waiting ;p
[10:12] <cat> yeah yeah yeah
[10:12] <ogra> you start as a member, which means you do a contribution of any kind.... (artwork, docs, wikipages.... bugfixing, helping with a package) ... you need a wikipage about you to document this a bit....
[10:13] <cat> 2 months and nothing
[10:13] <herve> ogra, bureaucracy, not a french word for nothing ;-)
[10:13] <ogra> herve, ubuntucracy ?
[10:13] <herve> also
[10:14] <robitaille> cat:  some people got their CDs already...some haven't received them yet (I'm in the later category...)
[10:14] <ogra> cat, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielRobitaille thats a good example *g*
[10:14] <ogra> :)
[10:15] <herve> hey, you speak french :-)
[10:15] <cat> it is?
[10:15] <ogra> cat, after this, you put a link to your wikipage on CommunityCouncilAgenda and appear in the meeting outlined there
[10:15] <Amaranth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TravisWatkins is a bad example
[10:15] <Burgundavia> ogra, what would not be a good example is that robitaille and I live in the same city and have never met
[10:15] <ogra> the council wants to know your intention to help on ubuntu and will approve you as a member
[10:15] <Amaranth> but they love me so i get in anyway
[10:15] <Amaranth> :D
[10:16] <cat> oh ok, let me star some where,
[10:16] <cat> let me register first
[10:16] <ogra> Amaranth, nope, they dont love you, they had no choice ;)
[10:16] <Amaranth> ?
[10:16] <robitaille> herve:  yes I speak french
[10:16] <Amaranth> I wasn't even at the meeting. :D
[10:16] <ogra> Amaranth, you made smeg !
[10:16] <ogra> :)
[10:17] <robitaille> Burgundavia:  one day we should meet for lunch or something...
[10:17] <Amaranth> Actually I've missed every meeting since then too.
[10:17] <cat> ubuntu should do some debconf also, (:
[10:17] <ogra> cat, it does
[10:17] <ogra> cat, after every release
[10:17] <cat> where?
[10:17] <ogra> last was in sydney
[10:18] <Amaranth> random places
[10:18] <ogra> the one before near barcelona
[10:18] <cat> oh to much for the tickets,
[10:18] <ogra> nex might be either of south america, canada or germany
[10:18] <cat> United states
[10:18] <Burgundavia> never in the us
[10:18] <cat> y?
[10:18] <ogra> cat, if you did valuable work, you can get sponsoring
[10:19] <Burgundavia> sabdfl doesn't like it
[10:19] <comadreja> question, why apt-cache policy show gcl version 2.6.5 and when I download the sources get 2.6.6 ?
[10:19] <robitaille> I didn't know that US thing...
[10:20] <ogra> Burgundavia, i think its the other way around... (but dont quote me on that)
[10:20] <herve> comadreja, probably a desync because of a fail to build from source (ftbfs)
[10:21] <comadreja> herve, definitely :) I'm fighting to build the sources like hell
[10:21] <herve> cheer up then :-)
[10:21] <Amaranth> gah, i forgot who has the buildLogs
[10:22] <Burgundavia> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html
[10:22] <ogra> Amaranth, or hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs for the recent ones...
[10:23] <Amaranth> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gcl/2.6.6-1/
[10:23] <Amaranth> these are recent enough
[10:23] <Burgundavia> ogra, didn
[10:23] <Burgundavia> that is a cool interface
[10:23] <ogra> Burgundavia, yes, but i need to move it to a faster machine... its nearly unusable with big logfiles...
[10:24] <Amaranth> too bad it's full of bogofilter
[10:24] <ogra> Burgundavia, but i plan to extend it once i have some time left... to cover everything lamont covers now
[10:24] <Amaranth> we need a build sheriff
[10:24] <Amaranth> with a bat
[10:24] <Amaranth> ;)
[10:24] <Burgundavia> ogra, cool
[10:25] <siretart> morning
[10:25] <Burgundavia> morning
[10:25] <Amaranth> why does it keep trying to build the same version if it knows it fails?
[10:26] <ogra> Amaranth, becaus the archive contents could have changed between 2 builds...
[10:26] <ogra> so once the missing part is there it gets built automatically
[10:27] <Amaranth> sounds like a fix for sloppy uploading
[10:27] <ogra> the thing with the buildds is, power and buildtime are cheap... human interaction costs money
[10:27] <Amaranth> iirc one of the non-supported archs finally got their first kernel built
[10:27] <ogra> so you dont want someone with a bat there ;)
[10:28] <Amaranth> so buildtime isn't that cheap
[10:28] <ogra> cheaper then loan and taxes for a human....
[10:29] <Amaranth> this is another one of those 'source-based upload' problems
[10:31] <\sh> i want to have my X back ,-)
[10:32] <Amaranth> hehe
[10:32] <Amaranth> xkeyboard-config is sitting in NEW, i guess
[10:32] <Amaranth> after that goes in X should work again
[10:32] <\sh> yesterday I just removed my xlibs ,-)
[10:32] <Treenaks> Amaranth: must be m68k, if it took this long to build a kernel
[10:32] <Amaranth> how did you manage that?
[10:32] <Treenaks> \sh: the dummy package? :)
[10:33] <\sh> well it was broken, i tried to fix it..and then..ubuntu-* gone...X gone...and after that, no install worked for me...dep problems
[10:34] <\sh> neither gnome nor kde can't be installed cause of the dep problems with X etc.
[10:34] <Amaranth> wow, wtf did you do?
[10:34] <\sh> apt-get remove broken_xlibs ,-)
[10:34] <\sh> Y
[10:34] <Amaranth> install xbase-clients 6.8.2-36
[10:35] <\sh> *bang*
[10:35] <Amaranth> err, it was xlibs?
[10:35] <\sh> actually all depending packages were removed...3/4 of kde 3/4 of gnome
[10:35] <Amaranth> installing ubuntu-desktop gets you what?
[10:35] <\sh> problems
[10:35] <\sh> gdm not installable
[10:36] <Amaranth> trace it to the source
[10:36] <\sh> gnome-system-monitor not installable .. libgksuui1.0-0 is the problem
[10:36] <herve> my rule is: never force removal of ubuntu-base/desktop, always keep it installed
[10:36] <\sh> My name is Arnold and I'll be back ,-)
[10:36] <Amaranth> gah, synaptic is totally locked up with a blank window
[10:38] <ogra> guys get amd64, its not broken here (thanks to the broken buildds) ;)
[10:38] <\sh> hmm..how can I tell apt-get to install a special rev of a package?
[10:38] <comadreja> \sh : with apt/preferences
[10:39] <comadreja> \sh : you can pin packages
[10:39] <Amaranth> apt-get install libgkuiui/hoary :P
[10:39] <Amaranth> that's odd
[10:39] <ogra> \sh, hey amd64 are cheap :)
[10:39] <Amaranth> it can't be libgksuui
[10:40] <Amaranth> it has to be xbase-clients
[10:40] <\sh> yeah this too
[10:40] <\sh> xpdyinfo?
[10:40] <\sh> xhost?
[10:40] <Amaranth> which is not installable
[10:40] <Amaranth> those are all NEW
[10:41] <\sh> ogra: not with a ex-wife
[10:41] <Amaranth> you want xbase-clients 6.8.2-36
[10:41] <Amaranth> then you should be fine
[10:41] <\sh> actually I can't even afford a running breezy...
[10:42] <\sh> i need to tell apt-get now, to revert to 6.8.2-36 for all deps of X
[10:42] <comadreja> \sh : man apt_preferences
[10:42] <comadreja> \sh : there you'll find downgrade stuff
[10:43] <cat> can someone shiped me an ubuntu cd, as soon as possible if you can i'm stuck with out a burner and don't really know anyone who has a burner,
[10:43] <comadreja> \sh, but what's your problem, I upgraded yesterday... and only lost the keyboard mapping :)
[10:43] <Amaranth> you want to mark the 6.8.2-36 version as 1001 priority
[10:44] <Amaranth> Package: xbase-clients
[10:44] <Amaranth> Pin: version 6.8.2-36
[10:44] <Amaranth> Pin-Priority: 1001
[10:44] <Amaranth> i think
[10:44] <comadreja> Amaranth : that's right
[10:46] <Amaranth> ok, slap that in /etc/apt/preferences and you should be good to go
[10:48] <Amaranth> "He's a world-famous drug-addicted gangster with a secret. She's a virginal goth cab driver with someone else's memories. They fight crime!"
[10:48] <Treenaks> Amaranth: that must be GOOD crack you're having
[10:49] <Treenaks> Amaranth: it sounds like polygen-output
[10:49] <Amaranth> sadly, it sounds like a real tv-series pitch
[10:51] <\sh> no...
[10:51] <\sh> i need something to smoke...
[11:06] <\sh> no...doesn't work
[11:07] <Treenaks> \sh: crack?
[11:07] <Amaranth> Doesn't work? Does it sit on the coach and watch TV? Is it on IRC all day? Does it want more money?
[11:07] <\sh> depends on xlibs...but not installable
[11:07] <Amaranth> err, couch
[11:08] <Amaranth> so pin xlibs to 6.8.2-36
[11:08] <\sh> i did
[11:09] <Amaranth> and?
[11:09] <Amaranth> follow the trail
[11:10] <\sh> the trail is long...libxft1 xlibs-data etc.
[11:12] <Amaranth> follow the trail or get no X until things get NEWed
[11:12] <\sh> lol
[11:12] <\sh> xlibs-data is refered by another package, but is not availabe...it's replaced by one of the following: libx11-6
[11:13] <\sh> apt-cache show libx11-6 -> Replaces: xlibs-data (<< 6.8.2-34)
[11:13] <\sh> apt-get install libx11-6
[11:13] <\sh> is not available...but is being replaced by xlibs-data
[11:13] <\sh> *rotfl
[11:14] <\sh> that reminds me of my nightmare from last night
[11:15] <\sh> god sat on one of the clouds in the sky...he's smiling and he's bored...so he throws xorg-packages to the people down on earth
[11:16] <\sh> and he's waiting for someone...finally he found one...
[11:17] <\sh> then I woke up, wet and sweating..not a funny dream...man
[11:17] <Amaranth> yeah, the things xbase-clients needs aren't even close to getting out to you
 Amaranth: sitting in ~daniels, more like it
[11:18] <\sh> and I had the imagination, God was wearing a shirt...with "I'm the reincarnation of daniels...and I love you all" ;)
[11:18] <Amaranth> hehe
[11:19] <Treenaks> \sh: "Here, have some fresh xorg crack"
[11:22] <\sh> pipe-get update
[11:52] <herve> help me: what is the compile environment package name again?
[11:54] <pef> hi
[12:04] <comadreja> herve : do you mean pbuilder ?
[12:05] <herve> no, build-essential
[12:05] <herve> 10 minutes to recall it...
[01:13] <comadreja> what has happened to libXrender.la ?
[01:15] <Amaranth> dunno
[01:15] <Amaranth> the render devel package not having it is NOTABUG
[01:15] <comadreja> I'm trying to build gnome-terminal and get this
[01:15] <comadreja> grep: /usr/lib/libXrender.la: No such file or directory
[01:15] <comadreja> libtool: link: `/usr/lib/libXrender.la' is not a valid libtool archive
[01:16] <Amaranth> ask daniels where it went
[01:16] <comadreja> ./bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/libXrender.la: No such file or directory
[01:27] <ogra> Amaranth, <seb128> daniels: you know about #12705 , right?
 seb128: yeah.  feature, not a bug. :)
 daniels: how do I fix the builds so?
 daniels: ie gnome-control-center ftbfs on that
 seb128: grep libXrender.la /usr/lib/*.la, rebuild every lib which references it
[01:28] <ogra> looks like another little transition....
[01:29] <comadreja> yes, I'm having trouble with gnome-terminal too
[01:29] <comadreja> it doesn't build neither
[01:29] <ogra> why do you build gnome-terminal ?
[01:30] <comadreja> I'm working on but 1219 malone
[01:30] <comadreja> s/but/bug
[01:31] <ogra> that bug is in the wrong bugtracker, grmpf, its a main bug
[01:32] <comadreja> wasn't malone suposed to replace bugzilla ? (don't blame me, not my fault)
[01:33] <ogra> not yet
[01:33] <ogra> main still uses bugzilla
[01:34] <comadreja> is there any workaround for this libXrender thingy ?
[01:34] <ogra> comadreja, please talk to seb128 about it, if he thinks this needs a fix, he'll welcome your patch, i'm sure :)
[01:34] <ogra> (gnome-terminal that is)
[01:35] <comadreja> sure, thanks
[01:38] <comadreja> oh, and I belong to the ubuntu gnome team, so I thought I could get it
[01:41] <ogra> sure, but it should be coordinated by the teamlead... which s seb128 currently afaik
[01:58] <Amaranth> it's yelling at itself
[01:58] <Amaranth> saying stuff is deprecated
[02:19] <\sh> re
[04:31] <bddebian> Good morning
[04:33] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[04:35] <ivoks> hey
[04:39] <siretart> bddebian: I added your key to the revu keyring
[04:39] <siretart> hi folks
[04:40] <siretart> can anyone confirm that kde headers are uninstallable in breezy atm? I get this in current pbuilder: http://paste.debian.net/1192
[04:44] <bddebian> Hi siretart.  I saw that, thank you!
[04:46] <bddebian> siretart: Give me a minute and I'll check
[04:58] <bddebian> siretart: Was that just an apt-get kdelibs4-dev on breezy?
[04:59] <siretart> bddebian: in fact it was a pbuilder try on kvirc, but a simple 'sudo apt-get install kdelibs4-dev' fails for me, too
[04:59] <tvo> siretart: I can confirm that, got the exact same error with pbuilder
[05:00] <Amaranth> it seems to be installable for me
[05:00] <Amaranth> with apt-get
[05:00] <siretart> damn
[05:00] <jbailey> ogra: Around?
[05:00] <Amaranth> I have the latest X, if it makes a difference.
[05:00] <siretart> jbailey: is there a status update for java policy yet?
[05:00] <bddebian> Hmm, I can get them too
[05:00] <jbailey> siretart: No, although I'm just chatting about Java stuff with two new people in #ubuntu-java who want to help out.
[05:01] <bddebian> Java?? ewwww
[05:01] <siretart> jbailey: I don't have that much time for that, but I'll listen
[05:03] <siretart> the debian maintainer also didn't respond to my patch yet :(
[05:03] <siretart> ok, kdelibs4-dev is not installable because xorg is broken in breezy. thats the reason
[05:32] <herve> re
[05:33] <ogra> hmm, did i see kismet in my inbox ?
[05:34] <bddebian> Heya herve
[05:34] <SEBest> anyone has a clue about what does "wrt" means in this sentence?:
[05:34] <SEBest> Your guess is as good as mine wrt to Samba 4's release date :-)
[05:35] <ogra> with regard to
[05:35] <SEBest> thanx ogra!
[05:36] <herve> any xorg fix on the run,
[05:36] <herve> (that was an attemp to type a question mark)
[05:36] <ogra> try again
[05:36] <ogra> :)
[05:37] <herve> ,,,
[05:37] <herve> :-)
[05:37] <ogra> i borrow you some : ???
[05:37] <ogra> herve, get an amd64, we dont have such probs
[05:37] <herve> thanks, you're a pal
[05:37] <herve> no, you have others!
[05:38] <ogra> (since the buildds are borked)
[05:38] <herve> hehe
[05:38] <SEBest> use a mips :)
[05:39] <ogra> SEBest, no linux driver for my 3D card on my mips...
[05:39] <herve> currently i'd like a sgi turned into a fridge (genuine)
[05:39] <ogra> :(
[05:39] <ogra> SEBest, not even console mode...
[05:39] <SEBest> ogra: mine doesn't even have a video card! :d
[05:39] <ogra> i have a neato indigo2 that collects the dust since years....
[05:39] <SEBest> anyway with it's 250Mhz, that's better!
[05:40] <SEBest> ogra, i have a cobalt nasraq that serves my file on a daily basis
[05:40] <siretart> comadreja: ping
[05:40] <SEBest> and it even give me the date/time with it's neat lcd display
[05:41] <siretart> comadreja: I uploaded kismet in your name
[05:41] <slomo> is it possible that some xorg headers are currently broken?
[05:41] <ogra> SEBest, cool
[05:41] <herve> slomo, to say the least ;-)
[05:41] <ogra> slomo, yes
[05:41] <ogra> libxrender afaik
[05:41] <herve> someone tried xorg -42?
[05:42] <ogra> or was it randr ?
[05:42] <ogra> hmm
[05:42] <slomo> ok, wonderful ;) for me it's libxext-dev (/usr/include/X11/extensions/Xdbeproto.h and /usr/include/X11/extensions/Xdbe.h)
[05:43] <siretart> slomo: yes, I tried to check a kde package (kvirc) but it ftbfs because of xorg headers breakage
[05:43] <siretart> I assume it will be fixed soon
[05:49] <slomo> siretart: http://yggdrasil.sytes.net/files/debdiff/  do you have some time to look at this debdiffs? they're all really simple
[05:50] <siretart> slomo: excellent! will look at them in a minute
[05:50] <jsgotangco> ogra: will the edubuntu daily build be useful enough to draft a documentation structure?
[05:52] <ogra> jsgotangco, lets see if we get one thats actually useful... the first build seems broken
[05:52] <jsgotangco> ogra: im worried about the time hehe...
[05:52] <ogra> me too
[05:53] <jsgotangco> having yelp for the initial release would make things a bit easier though
[05:54] <siretart> gnarf
[05:54] <siretart> ghc6 is uninstallabe because of libgmp3 being renamed to libgmp3c2 :/
[05:54] <ogra> edubuntu is ubuntu with: edu desktop software, ltsp support, content filter, moodle and schooltool.... so yelp is there ;)
[05:57] <herve> i want this: http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/
[05:58] <jsgotangco> ogra: yeah but you know how some people in docteam hate yelp
[05:58] <jsgotangco> :)
[05:59] <ogra> jsgotangco, i already managed to write yelp helpfiles, whats o difficult there ?
[06:00] <ogra> its just xml
[06:00] <jsgotangco> ogra: long story hehee i really like yelp as it is
[06:00] <ogra> oki... i dont know how much of the ubuntu docs will apply for edubuntu...
[06:01] <Lathiat> so..
[06:01] <Lathiat> to get libaa, libaa-dev in
[06:01] <Lathiat> who  needs poking
[06:01] <Lathiat> cus broken sdl is annoying me
[06:01] <jsgotangco> ogra: not much really, as everything would be written from scratch
[06:01] <ogra> if someone prepares a package i'll upload it.. i'm just a bit short on time with my pbuilders, so i cant testbuild...
[06:02] <ogra> jsgotangco, i think a lot of the desktop dc can go in right away
[06:02] <ogra> s/dc/docs
[06:03] <jsgotangco> oh alright then the specifics would be the ltsp/networking stuff then along with the app specific docs?
[06:04] <ogra> jsgotangco, no idea yet... keep in mind we'll target teachers for administration....
[06:04] <ogra> ltsp should work out of the box, with no additional user/admin interaction....
[06:04] <siretart> slomo: you are whitelisted and get mails from katie, do you?
[06:05] <jsgotangco> arrghh theres so much to think about and we dont have a cd yet :)
[06:05] <ogra> jsgotangco, the first release must not be perfect....
[06:05] <ogra> very good is enough ;)
[06:05] <jsgotangco> but it should be usable should it? :P
[06:06] <ogra> yep :)
[06:06] <jsgotangco> im cool on that
[06:08] <slomo> siretart: yes
[06:09] <slomo> siretart: first one has arrived ;)
[06:09] <siretart> slomo: ok. so please remove the debdiff from your webspace to avoid duplicate efford :)
[06:10] <slomo> ok
[06:10] <jsgotangco> im going to sleep well good night
[06:10] <siretart> uploading gtkhtml
[06:11] <siretart> slomo: thanks for your good work!
[06:14] <pef> someone can have a look a my packages ? they are very nearly ok ;) http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=134 http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=130
[06:17] <siretart> slomo: you may remove librep, too
[06:20] <siretart> slomo: I cannot find a source package for dbus-mono in breezy? Do I am blind?
[06:21] <slomo> siretart: yes you are ;P http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/source/dbus-mono
[06:23] <pef> siretart: do you need help for packaging games ?
[06:24] <siretart> pef: I'd rather need a 96h day ;)
[06:24] <herve> not better
[06:25] <siretart> slomo: dbus-mono is in main. please poke tseng for reviewing and uploading it, since this package is one of his babys anyway
[06:25] <pef> siretart: very popular wish :)
[06:25] <siretart> hi herve
[06:25] <herve> hello
[06:26] <slomo> siretart: ok, sorry... i'll check if a package is main in the future...
[06:26] <siretart> slomo: no need to be sorry, if you are doing work in main, it is appreciated, too!
[06:27] <siretart> slomo: the only difference is that you need an uploader for main, and they tend to be a lot more busy then the humble motu ;)
[06:27] <slomo> siretart: sure... but when i forget checking if it's in main the same as last time will happen ;)
[06:36] <herve> hey ivoks!
[06:37] <ivoks> hey herve
[06:38] <Mez> godamnit
[06:39] <Mez> I just close over half of the critical bugs in malone for ubuntu
[06:39] <ivoks> :)
[06:39] <ivoks> i'm hanging on bugzilla :)
[06:39] <Mez> shouldnt MOTU stuff be in malone though
[06:40] <siretart> ivoks: I just rechecked the wifi-radar <-> wpasupplicant situation
[06:41] <siretart> ivoks: the version in breezy is in fact able to create pid files, as expected from wifi-radar
[06:41] <siretart> ivoks: the only problem is the location of the configfile for wpasupplicant /etc/wpasupplicant.conf vs /etc/wpasupplicant/wpasupplicant.conf
[06:41] <ivoks> siretart: ok
[06:42] <ivoks> will you fix it or should I?
[06:42] <ivoks> it isn't a problem...
[06:43] <siretart> oh, wpasupplicant in breezy actually wants the config in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[06:43] <siretart> again different from me :/
[06:43] <siretart> ivoks: as you wish.
[06:43] <ivoks> hm.. there is a bug in wifi-radar rules too
[06:44] <ivoks> i'll fix it
[06:44] <siretart> ok
[06:47] <ivoks> siretart: wpa doesn't create .conf
[06:47] <siretart> does anyone know what ircname Chris Halls has?
[06:48] <ivoks> Mez: yes, i don't know why I'm helping main devs :)
[06:48] <siretart> ivoks: yes. the user must create it. I found the location in /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant
[06:48] <Mez> ivoks: lol I'm suprised those critical bugs were still there though
[06:48] <Mez> even though they were fixed
[06:48] <siretart> ivoks: this is on purpose. without config file, wpasupplicant isn't started, which is the state after having it installed
[06:48] <ivoks> Mez: i'll work on malone from now one..
[06:48] <ivoks> siretart: i see
[06:48] <Mez> lol
[06:49] <Mez> work on both :D
[06:49] <ivoks> you think?
[06:49] <ivoks> i don't know... too many foolish bugs :)
[06:49] <siretart> deluxe it would be if the user could specify the location of wpasupplicant.conf in wifi-radar.conf
[06:50] <siretart> but thats an upstream wishlist and in no way necessary for you to do, ivoks :)
[06:51] <ivoks> notice upstream uses WHISHLIST, not WISHLIST :)
[06:52] <comadreja> my xserver is fucked up again
[06:52] <comadreja> now seriously
[06:52] <ivoks> that was a bug in rules =< ubuntu3
[06:52] <ivoks> fixed in 4
[06:56] <ivoks> ok, i'm getting better in packaging
[06:56] <ivoks> dpatch is awsome tool
[06:58] <ivoks> ok, now, please review wifi-radar
[06:58] <ivoks> this is final edition, i guess
[07:00] <ivoks> malone needs new certificate
[07:02] <herve> by the way, malone should be final version now
[07:03] <ivoks> Mez: bugs on bugzilla are easier :)
[07:10] <uniq> anyone up for reviewing kio-apt in revu? :)
[07:11] <slomo> what's the easiest way in rules to get the current architecture?
[07:11] <Mez> why are bugs on bugzilla easier?
[07:11] <uniq> slomo: you can use uname?
[07:12] <slomo> uniq: doesn't work when crosscompiling
[07:13] <slomo> Unfrgiven: and on x86 we have i386, i486, i586 and i686 ;)
[07:14] <slomo> ok found it... dpkg-architecture
[07:16] <herve> bye
[07:17] <bddebian> Damn, am I scaring everyone away again? :-)
[07:18] <uniq> heh. not me.
[07:18] <uniq> i'm preparing for party.
[07:18] <bddebian> w00t
[07:18] <uniq> more beer.
[07:18] <uniq> :)
[07:19] <JanC> bddebian : when will FPC be available ?  :)
[07:19] <bddebian> Well it built yesterday but lintian was failing
[07:19] <bddebian> Now, I am getting this:
[07:19] <bddebian> dpkg-source: building fpc in fpc_2.0.0-1ubuntu1.dsc
[07:19] <bddebian> dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source
[07:21] <uniq> try to clean the source before building again.
[07:21] <uniq> or unpack the orig.tar.gz and patch with the diff.
[07:24] <bddebian> Shit
[07:24] <uniq> what?
[07:25] <bddebian> I suck :-)
[07:30] <uniq> well.. i'm off. beer and chicks. :)
[07:31] <seth_k> bddebian: a lot of times that means mismatched timestamps on binary files
[07:37] <ivoks> bddebian: every begining is hard :)
[07:38] <slomo> ogra: thanks :) later comes a new librep package which compiles even on ppc ;)
[07:39] <ogra> slomo, wow, great work :)
[07:39] <siretart> abolutly. slomo really rocks!
[07:41] <ogra> yay
[07:42] <slomo> thanks all :) hmm, is anyone here who has access to an ia64 machine and has the time to check a package?
[07:43] <ogra> slomo, that'd be lamont...
[07:43] <bddebian> I wish.  Wanna send me one?
[07:43] <bddebian> :-)
[07:43] <ogra> or probably jbailey
[07:43] <ivoks> slomo: i have
[07:44] <jbailey> ogra: Hmm?
[07:44] <ivoks> doh, not anymore :(
[07:44] <ogra> jbailey, ia64 ?
[07:44] <jbailey> Yup.  Build test?
[07:44] <slomo> yes
[07:44] <ogra> slomo, meet the famous jbailey ;)
[07:44] <slomo> i'll upload a new librep package to revu in a few minutes... can you check whether it works on ia64?
[07:44] <jbailey> bddebian: If you can afford that, come to OLS instead.
[07:44] <bddebian> jbailey: OLS isn't a cost issue, its a time issue with work.. :-(
[07:44] <jbailey> sladen: Sure.  Where will you upload to?
[07:44] <slomo> ogra: i already know him ;)
[07:45] <ogra> slomo, joking :)
[07:45] <sistpoty> hi all
[07:45] <ogra> jbailey, http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/
[07:45] <bddebian> Hello sistpoty
[07:45] <siretart> slomo: I don't have acces to ia64
[07:45] <siretart> huhu sistpoty
[07:45] <jbailey> ogra: Thanks.
[07:45] <jbailey> slomo: Just ping me when it's there.
[07:45] <bddebian> OK, I have FreePascal.  Throw it on REVU?
[07:45] <jbailey> I'm wrestling with my laptop and firmware loading atm.
[07:45] <bddebian> :-)
[07:46] <siretart> bddebian: how big were your changes?
[07:46] <bddebian> siretart: None actually other than moving two directories
[07:46] <siretart> is anyone using module-assistant on breezy here?
[07:46] <siretart> sistpoty: do you use it perhaps?
[07:47] <siretart> bddebian: please don't upload to revu then. please create a debdiff and tell us where to pick it up
[07:47] <sistpoty> erm... no, had used it once or twice on unstable
[07:47] <siretart> bddebian: thats much easier for us to review
[07:47] <bddebian> HOw do I create a debdiff?
[07:48] <siretart> bddebian: debdiff <origpackage>.dsc <yourpackage>.dsc
[07:48] <sistpoty> gna.. I'm sitting here without x and can't get it installed again :(
[07:48] <bddebian> siretart: There was no Debian package for <origpackage>.dsc???
[07:48] <ivoks> bddebian: and - use dpatch allways :)
[07:48] <siretart> sistpoty: did you build your kernel with kernel-package? do you think you could try my merged module-assistant package?
[07:48] <bddebian> And no patches
[07:49] <sistpoty> siretart yes i did and yes i could... where can i find it?
[07:49] <siretart> I did some very intrusive merging, and I want at least one person to have it tested
[07:49] <siretart> just a moment
[07:50] <slomo> jbailey: is the stack on ia64 upwards growing?
[07:50] <jbailey> sladen: No, it grows down.
[07:50] <jbailey> (Acc. to stackinfo.h)
[07:51] <siretart> sistpoty: http://siretart.tauware.de/ubuntu-packages/module-assistant/
[07:51] <siretart> sistpoty: btw, I reviewed your kvirc package, looks fine, but as xorg is currently broken, it wont build. Will upload it as soon xorg is working again
[07:51] <slomo> jbailey: ok... where's this file? ;)
[07:52] <siretart> bddebian: ah, so you packaged NEW stuff?
[07:52] <bddebian> siretart: It was from UniverseCandidates but the guy already had a debian dir with all the rules etc
[07:52] <siretart> bddebian: then upload it to revu, that what its for. I thought you made only small changes to an existing package already in the archive
[07:53] <siretart> ah, I see. ok, then its certainly perfect for revu
[07:53] <jbailey> slomo: In the glibc sources. =)
[07:54] <sistpoty> siretart: thanks :) i hope that xorg will be fixed really soon :)
[07:54] <siretart> sistpoty: I heard xorg was already fixed, and is currently being autobuilt
[07:54] <sistpoty> :)
[07:55] <sistpoty> gogogo, autobuilder ;)
[07:55] <ivoks> yay!!! it's back!!! animal returned!
[07:55] <ivoks> sorry for noise, but this is great news...
[07:56] <siretart> ah, xorg -42 already hit my mirror.
[07:56] <Amaranth> NO
[07:56] <ivoks> yes :)
[07:56] <siretart> sistpoty: what xorg revision do you use?
[07:56] <Amaranth> STOP
[07:56] <Amaranth> STAY AT -36!
[07:56] <ivoks> Amaranth: bad xorg? :)
[07:56] <ivoks> why? :)
[07:56] <ivoks> we live on edge :)
[07:56] <siretart> Amaranth: -42 is broken, too?
[07:56] <Amaranth> xbase-clients it fucked for at least another week
[07:56] <Amaranth> err, is
[07:57] <sistpoty> siretart: currently none. me stupid wanted to reinstall it, because xkb was broken
[07:57] <Amaranth> daniels said if he worked non-stop over the weekend and had no problems at all he might be able to get it done tuesday
[07:57] <Amaranth> neither one of those are going to happen so we'll be waiting awhile
[07:57] <ivoks> lol
[07:57] <siretart> fuck
[07:58] <Amaranth> http://i-understand.com/xbase-clients_6.8.2-36_i386.deb
[07:58] <Amaranth> *cough*
[07:59] <siretart> hm. perhaps it would be wise to apt-pin on -36
[07:59] <Amaranth> yes
[08:00] <ivoks> eh, too late :)
[08:00] <siretart> hmrpf
[08:00] <sistpoty> you name it...
[08:01] <ivoks> let's try it :)
[08:03] <sistpoty> hmpf... no luck with the old xbase-clients :(... well at least I'll learn how to use bitchx ;)
[08:03] <sistpoty> who needs windows anyways *g*
[08:03] <ogra> sistpoty, microsoft...
[08:04] <sistpoty> hrhr
[08:04] <siretart> hm. after "sudo mkdir -p /etc/X11/xkb/types" xlibs -42 could be configured correctly
[08:04] <jamessan|work> sistpoty: don't bother. use irssi
[08:04] <siretart> yay, irssi rocks
[08:04] <ivoks> well
[08:04] <ivoks> works for me
[08:04] <sistpoty> siretart: do i need to be root to use module-assistant?
[08:04] <siretart> but I'm using it only in a chroot anyway.
[08:04] <ivoks> sistpoty: yes
[08:04] <siretart> sistpoty: fakeroot should be sufficient
[08:05] <ivoks> khm...?
[08:05] <siretart> it depends on the module, I think
[08:05] <ivoks> fakeroot for module install?
[08:05] <sistpoty> hm... if I want to do module-assistant update it tries to create "/modass" (and has no rights for it)
[08:05] <ivoks> only root can install modules
[08:05] <sistpoty> shouldn't this be in /usr/src?
[08:06] <siretart> hrmpf. yes, it better should be there..
[08:06] <sistpoty> siretart: mom. i'm still checking.
[08:07] <sistpoty> hm... it did create something somewhere (now with sudo) but I have no clue, where
[08:08] <sistpoty> ah... /var/cache/modass ... maybe this should belong to group src
[08:08] <ivoks> hm, no...
[08:09] <ivoks> rather that package need fixing
[08:09] <siretart> gnarf, got the mistake
[08:10] <sistpoty> ivoks: this are only the ".avail_version" files... not the module-sources
[08:10] <siretart> sistpoty: please redownload the source
[08:10] <slomo> jbailey: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=137
[08:11] <slomo> can someone on amd64 also test this?
[08:12] <jbailey> slomo: Just updating my chroot,just a sec.
[08:12] <siretart> slomo: err, your change is for ia64, no amd64
[08:12] <siretart> slomo: ia64 is not an release arch for breezy anyway..
[08:13] <slomo> siretart: yes but i want to know whether the package also works on amd64 or if it fails with the same error as ppc/ia64 ;)
[08:13] <siretart> building..
[08:16] <siretart> slomo: package building fine in my amd64 pbuilder
[08:17] <slomo> siretart: ok, fine :) when it also works on ia64 it works on every architecture we support ;)
[08:18] <siretart> slomo: ia64 is not an release arch for breezy, but ppc is
[08:18] <jbailey> siretart: Oh?  I thought ia64 might be close enough.
[08:18] <siretart> jbailey: I havn't heard anything about ia64 support for breezy on the mailling list
[08:19] <siretart> jbailey: perhaps I overlooked something, though.
[08:19] <sistpoty> siretart: module-assistant still builds /var/cache/modass on module-assistant update, and this belongs to root:root
[08:20] <siretart> sistpoty: what I did: I took the autoatic merged source package from here http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/module-assistant/ and wiggeled the _dropped patch into it
[08:20] <siretart> this is dangerous anyway, I know
[08:20] <sistpoty> siretart: well i'
[08:20] <siretart> perhaps I should start over from plain debian package and adapt it to ubuntu environment
[08:21] <sistpoty> + ll try to build nvidia-module with it...
[08:21] <sistpoty> siretart: maybe
[08:21] <bddebian> Oh man, I have to rebuild again with -S -sa -rfakeroot?
[08:23] <bddebian> siretart: Do I need to build with -S -sa -rfakeroot to dump up to REVU?
[08:24] <sistpoty> siretart: well building nvidia-module + installing it worked (with sudo)
[08:24] <siretart> bddebian: yes please
[08:24] <bddebian> Shix
[08:25] <siretart> sistpoty: hm. then to package could be fine anyway.. hmm
[08:25] <bddebian> siretart: Thanks. I usually use -us -tc.  Should I drop those?
[08:25] <siretart> what is -tc?
[08:26] <slomo> clean sourcetree when finished
[08:26] <sistpoty> siretart: apart from the fact that you need root-rights for all tasks (imo) it seems to do the work
[08:26] <bddebian> clean source tree.. Yeah, what slomo said
[08:26] <siretart> ah.
[08:26] <siretart> bddebian: then it doesn't matter
[08:27] <bddebian> Am I getting annoying already? :-)
[08:27] <azeem> w 22
[08:27] <azeem> eh, sorry
[08:27] <bddebian> Heya azeem
[08:27] <siretart> slomo: I tried to build faad2 from revu, but pbuilder failed: http://paste.debian.net/1195
[08:27] <slomo> siretart: i thought -us has to be dropped? with -us the sources aren't signed anymore (just the .changes)
[08:28] <siretart> slomo: for revu the changes has to be signed
[08:28] <slomo> siretart: ok i'll look into this...
[08:32] <siretart> slomo: no need to, I think I just fixed it
[08:33] <siretart> slomo: there where some pure virtual functions declared using = NULL; shoud be = 0;
[08:34] <slomo> siretart: yes, saw that too... will you fix it or shall i?
[08:35] <siretart> I'm on it
[08:46] <bddebian> Is this correct:  dput -P revu *_source.changes
[08:46] <siretart> bddebian: yes, that is supposed to work
[08:47] <bddebian> Supposed to work?? :-)
[08:49] <bddebian> Hmm, why don't I have a .asc file this time around?
[08:50] <siretart> wah, this cdbs simplepatchsys cost me some nerve..
[08:50] <siretart> bddebian: look at the changes file
[08:50] <slomo> siretart: why? just copy a diff with -p0 into debian/patches ;)
[08:50] <Lathiat> siretart: hrm?
[08:51] <siretart> well, I created the patch, and now I finally got it applied
[08:51] <siretart> but pbuilder still ftbfs :/
[08:52] <slomo> at the same file the same error?
[08:53] <siretart> gnarf. I accidentally reversed the patch.. stupid me
[08:53] <bddebian> siretart: The changes file was fine.  See here:  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/600
[08:54] <slomo> bddebian: drop -us and the .dsc file will get signed too
[08:54] <bddebian> waaahaha
[08:54] <bddebian> Thanks slomo
[08:54] <siretart> I usually build with both -us -uc
[08:55] <siretart> only when uploading, I use debsign on the .changes file
[08:55] <bddebian> siretart: So what do you suggest?
[08:55] <siretart> because I rather think that signing packages should rather be part of the uploading process and not of the building process
[08:55] <siretart> but ymmv
[08:56] <siretart> I suggest using debuild and having a ~/.devscripts config file telling debuild to use options -us -uc
[08:57] <siretart> and just before uploading, using debsign on the changes file
[08:57] <siretart> but there are other people suggesting otherwise, so ymmv
[08:57] <bddebian> But doesn't that say that the changes file is OK?
[08:58] <bddebian> It's complaining about the sources.changes file
[09:00] <slomo> jbailey: ping?
[09:01] <jbailey> slomo: ?gnip
[09:01] <siretart> bddebian: well, debsign will attach your signature to the changes file, so it should be ok afterwards
[09:02] <bddebian> siretart: debsign the xxx_source.changes file?
[09:02] <bddebian> Sorry for all the questions
[09:02] <siretart> jepp
[09:02] <bddebian> Ahh
[09:03] <slomo> jbailey: just wanted to tell you, that the configure of librep seems to be misleading ;) it says -1 for downwards, 1 for upwards growing stack... but at least on ppc it's the other way around... just if this seems weird to you ;)
[09:04] <jbailey> I haven't been watching the log. It's just building.
[09:04] <jbailey> Took me a bit to update the chrootl
[09:05] <siretart> another patch for faad2 :/ - next pbuilder try
[09:05] <jbailey> slomo: Builds fine. How to test?
[09:05] <slomo> jbailey: when it builds fine the problem is solved ;)
[09:06] <jbailey> Cool. =)
[09:06] <slomo> thanks for testing :)
[09:06] <slomo> and you helped me with debugging smlnj a few days ago... i haven't found the problem yet and i think i let the package build with gcc 3.4 for the meantime
[09:06] <bddebian> Shit, I forgot to run lintian again and there are CVS dirs.. :-(
[09:07] <siretart> slomo: ok, faad2 builds now. shall I upload it for you?
[09:08] <slomo> siretart: yes... please :) btw, can you have a final look at the librep upload? works now on every architecture...
[09:17] <siretart> slomo: done :)
[09:17] <siretart> slomo: are you already an ubuntu member?
[09:21] <sistpoty> wooohooo... I've been doing very, very stupid and nasty things and have kde back up and running *fg*
[09:21] <siretart> :)
[09:21] <bddebian> :-)
[09:22] <sistpoty> big thanks to debian/unstable ;)
[09:22] <Lathiat> oh dear
[09:22] <Lathiat> that sounds bad
[09:22] <sistpoty> hrhr
[09:22] <sistpoty> was really nasty and bad :)
[09:23] <Lathiat> yeh and you think im joking about covering my eyes? :P
[09:23] <sistpoty> *g*
[09:23] <Lathiat> we
[09:23] <siretart> whheha
[09:24] <sistpoty> i hope nobody logs this *g*
[09:24] <siretart> sistpoty: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/a/amule/2.0.3-1ubuntu1/ amule fixed :)
[09:24] <dholbach> hi
[09:24] <sistpoty> siretart: cool :)
[09:24] <siretart> huhu daniel
[09:24] <dholbach> what do you think about a review day on 28 july? that's a thursday
[09:25] <\sh> *grmpf
[09:25] <dholbach> it will be a day, when i'm back again and that's enough time to get people to use REVU and get them all online
[09:25] <siretart> hi \sh!
[09:25] <dholbach> \sh: was that "*grmpf*" related to what i said?
[09:26] <\sh> dholbach: it's the *grmpf* related to agains x nightmare
[09:26] <dholbach> i see
[09:26] <SEBest> hi lathiat
[09:26] <dholbach> what's wrong this time?
[09:26] <\sh> dholbach: no X at all
[09:27] <siretart> dholbach: xbase-clients and/or xlibs are utterly broken atm
[09:27] <\sh> now I'm reverting to hoary version
[09:27] <comadreja> \sh: you don't have to do that
[09:27] <comadreja> Amaranth helped me to fix it
[09:27] <dholbach> you have to use the old xlibs (if you run into keyboard configuration problems)
[09:27] <comadreja> I can guide you
[09:27] <\sh> dholbach: I did everything from bugzilla entries...didn't help
[09:27] <dholbach> hrm
[09:27] <\sh> x-window-system-core is held up for -42
[09:28] <\sh> cause of libglu1-xorg
[09:28] <comadreja> did you reinstall xbase-clients -36 ?
[09:28] <sistpoty> hehe, next one with x problems *g*
[09:28] <\sh> yep
[09:28] <dholbach> i don't even have those new binary packages
[09:28] <dholbach> (amd64 buildd breakage)
[09:28] <comadreja> have you pin it ?
[09:28] <\sh> sistpoty: ah I don't have problems with X
[09:28] <\sh> comadreja: I pin it down to hoary default ,-)
[09:28] <comadreja> :)
[09:28] <sistpoty> \sh ok
[09:29] <dholbach> ok... any opinions on review day?
[09:29] <\sh> funny thing is, i have kubuntu cds now, where I can boot/not boot/boot/not boot
[09:29] <\sh> dholbach: 28th?
[09:29] <slomo> siretart: no
[09:29] <dholbach> \sh: yep
[09:30] <comadreja> dholbach : what's review day ?
[09:30] <ogra> comadreja, guess
[09:30] <dholbach> comadreja: we're going to review all the packages that are on REVU (hopefully the guys on MOTUNewPackages and MOTUToReview will migrate there soon) and get those apckages in, if they're fine
[09:30] <siretart> slomo: you definitly should. Set yourself on the ComunityCouncil Agenda! Next Tuesday is meeting, I heard
[09:30] <\sh> ok for me... 20th motu meeting, 22nd NUN meeting, 28th review day
[09:30] <comadreja> yep, my guess :D
[09:30] <comadreja> thanks
[09:31] <\sh> every wednesday bug squash day
[09:31] <siretart> \sh: NUN?
[09:31] <\sh> NewUserNetwork
[09:31] <siretart> ah
[09:31] <bddebian> \sh You are in NuN?  Cool
[09:31] <\sh> comadreja: ok...guide me, friend, to get X working *cry*
[09:31] <\sh> bddebian: I invented the name surprisingly
[09:32] <dholbach> ok... no objections, i'll write the announce mail
[09:32] <comadreja> \sh : sure
[09:32] <slomo> siretart: ok, done...
[09:32] <bddebian> \sh: Oh, cool
[09:32] <comadreja> \sh : are you subscribed to debian-devel ?
[09:32] <\sh> comadreja: yep
[09:32] <bddebian> IOError: [Errno 13]  Permission denied: '/home/bdefreese/devel/fpc20/fpc_2.0.0-1ubuntu1_source.upload'
[09:32] <bddebian> Do I have to use sudo for dput?
[09:32] <comadreja> there is a message with links to -36 packages
[09:32] <\sh> no...ftp
[09:32] <dholbach> bddebian: no
[09:33] <comadreja> do you have them ?
[09:33] <\sh> w8..lemme fire up mutt-ng
[09:33] <bddebian> Then wtf is that error?
[09:33] <\sh> comadreja: topic?
[09:33] <bddebian> Hello dholbach
[09:33] <\sh> subject i mean?
[09:34] <dholbach> hi bddebian
[09:34] <bddebian> tritium!!
[09:34] <tritium> bddebian, what's up man?
[09:35] <dholbach> tritium: hey michael! how are you?
[09:35] <bddebian> Trying to get my stupid ass to upload freepascal.  You?
[09:35] <tritium> dholbach!  How are you?  I just submitted my dissertation!!!
[09:35] <comadreja> Subject: Re: X libraries mess in breezy...
[09:36] <dholbach> tritium: ROCK'N'ROLL! WOOHOO! how does it feel?
[09:36] <dholbach> tritium: i'm still busy with my thesis, have to hand it in august, 18th and still lots to do, but i'm still fine, thanks :)
[09:36] <tritium> damn good ;)  But I still have slides to prepare for my defense in one wek.  How's your coming along?
[09:36] <bddebian> tritium: Congrats!
[09:36] <tritium> bddebian, thanks :)
[09:37] <dholbach> tritium: super... i still have around 40 pages to write and quite some hacking to do, but after some night sessions it'll all be fine
[09:37] <sistpoty> bbdebian: correct dput-config (to siretart.tauware, login anonymous?)
[09:37] <tritium> dholbach, best of luck with that.  I know you can do a rockin' job.
[09:37] <dholbach> tritium: merci beaucoup :)
[09:37] <tritium> :)
[09:39] <bddebian> sistpoty: Do you mean for fqdn?
[09:39] <sistpoty> yes (should be tauware.de)
[09:39] <bddebian> That's what it is
[09:40] <sistpoty> i assume it also is the default entry... hm...
[09:41] <bddebian> Well I set is as the default_host_main.  Is there something else I have to change in [DEFUALT]  ?
[09:41] <sistpoty> what did you set as default_host_main (should be the section in which tauware.de is located, not tauware.de itself)
[09:42] <bddebian> Aye, default_host_main = revu
[09:42] <sistpoty> apart from that, you need method=ftp and in revu-section login=anonymous
[09:42] <bddebian> Though in dput, I did dput -P revu *_source.changes anyway
[09:42] <sistpoty> than it *should* be working
[09:43] <bddebian> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/604
[09:44] <sistpoty> you need write-rights in your local directory, dput tries to create an .upload file there
[09:47] <bddebian> Do I need to re-upload?
[09:48] <bddebian> tritium: Should python-pyrtf go on REVU or no?
[09:48] <tritium> bddebian, yes, why not?
[09:49] <sistpoty> bbdebian: seems like fpc is already in revu... http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=138, so you don't need to reupload
[09:49] <bddebian> sistpoty: Oh cool thanks
[09:50] <sistpoty> np ;)
[09:50] <opi> hi there MOTUbuntus ;)
[09:50] <opi> dholbach: ping
[09:51] <dholbach> hi opi
[09:51] <bddebian> Hello opi
[09:52] <dholbach> sent it out
[09:53] <opi> hi bddebian
[09:53] <bddebian> So if I re-packaged new upstream version to python-pyrtf that tritium did, do I just send the debdiff to REVU?
[09:53] <dholbach> no... re-upload it please
[09:53] <bddebian> OK
[09:54] <sistpoty> yes, REVU can handle only "complete" uploads
[09:54] <bddebian> I thought that is what siretart told me earlier.. Hmm.
[09:54] <siretart> please always upload with -S -sa for full source uploads
[09:56] <bddebian> WTF secret key not available?  It just worked with fpc?
[09:56] <sistpoty> siretart: btw. can you update revu2 on tauware?
[09:57] <dholbach> revu2?
[09:57] <sistpoty> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVUDevelopment
[09:57] <dholbach> you guys are awesome! :)
[09:57] <sistpoty> thanks :)
[09:58] <sistpoty> but currently revu2 is nothing but a few drawings and ideas *g*
[09:59] <bddebian> Anyone know why I am getting the "secret key not available" all of the sudden?
[10:00] <dholbach> you could strace it
[10:00] <sistpoty> bbdebian: are u trying to build the package with the same user you did when building fpc?
[10:00] <bddebian> sistpoty: Yes
[10:00] <slomo> bddebian: maybe you have entered a wrong email address in the latest changelog entry?
[10:02] <bddebian> Looks right:
[10:02] <bddebian> gpg: skipped "Barry D. deFreese <bddebian@comcast.net>": secret key not available
[10:02] <bddebian> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[10:02] <slomo> hm
[10:02] <siretart> sistpoty: err, you mean on my notebook?
[10:02] <sistpoty> nope... on tauware
[10:02] <\sh> what was the workaround for "fatal error: can't find fixed font" in xorg?
[10:03] <siretart> sistpoty: ok, done
[10:03] <sistpoty> thx :)
[10:03] <siretart> sistpoty: btw, you could also create an revu2 checkout in your public_html on tauware
[10:03] <sistpoty> good idea...
[10:03] <bddebian> I'm such a dork, thanks slomo :-)
[10:04] <bddebian> No D. ...
[10:04] <sistpoty> btw.: if anyone has feature requests for revu2, now would be the right time ;)
[10:04] <bddebian> sistpoty: I want a button I push that just does everything for me.. ;-P
[10:05] <dholbach> bddebian: correct the package and auto-advocate it for you? :)
[10:05] <sistpoty> bbdebian: well that depends on libjustdoit, which afaik is broken
[10:05] <bddebian> dholbach: Sure :-)
[10:05] <dholbach> sistpoty: hahahaha :)
[10:05] <bddebian> dholbach: Hey, what do you mean correct the package?? :-)
[10:05] <bddebian> sistpoty: :-)
[10:05] <dholbach> bddebian: nothing... nothing... :)
[10:05] <opi> OK, I'm going to get my ansfer here, since dholbach told me, that he has to wash his hair (old female ,,go away'' line;-) ;D
[10:06] <dholbach> HAHAHAHA
[10:06] <dholbach> opi: you're SOO funny! :)
[10:06] <opi> naa
[10:06] <opi> I rather build my metapackage ;)
[10:06] <opi> OK, first, I know the basics
[10:06] <opi> but it seems that I've broken my changelog
[10:07] <opi> it's safe to drop it (initial release) and create new one with dch?
[10:07] <dholbach> yeah, sure, go ahead, try it
[10:07] <opi> dch: cannot find debian/changelog anywhere!
[10:07] <opi> Are you in the source code tree?
[10:08] <opi> it seems it should be created first
[10:08] <bddebian> OK, python-pyrtf_0.45-0ubuntu1 uploaded too
[10:08] <dholbach> opi:  touch debian/changelog
[10:08] <opi> dholbach: I did that
[10:08] <opi> emil@aru:~/src/meta-ubuntuart_1ubuntu $ touch debian/changelog
[10:08] <opi> emil@aru:~/src/meta-ubuntuart_1ubuntu $ dch -i Inital Release -Dhoary
[10:08] <opi> found eof where expected first heading at /usr/lib/dpkg/parsechangelog/debian line 136.
[10:09] <opi> I've got same error with my handmade changelog
[10:09] <opi> I'm not using any Win32 linefeed (\n\r)
[10:09] <opi> any hints?
[10:09] <bddebian> dholbach: I was looking at UniverseUnmetDeps yesterday and zorp is unfixible without an update from upstream.  Should the wiki be updated?  Bugs are already tagged in Debian against it
[10:09] <dholbach> bddebian: if we can get it from debian, we should consider that
[10:10] <bddebian> dholbach: Theirs FTBFSs too
[10:10] <dholbach> opi: what about your old entry?
[10:10] <dholbach> bddebian: and upstream fixed the error?
[10:10] <opi> rm'ed
[10:11] <dholbach> opi: get it from one of your example packages and edit it the way you need it :)
[10:11] <opi> dholbach: I did that before ;)
[10:11] <bddebian> dholbach: It's basically a version mismatch thing.  Both Debian and Ubuntu updated libzorpll to 3.0.6 I think and zorp 2.xx won't build against that, or install
[10:11] <opi> dholbach: I ripped jriddler's stuff :P
[10:11] <dholbach> opi: do it again and upload it somewhere so we can have a look
[10:11] <opi> dholbach: I'll try again
[10:11] <opi> OK
[10:12] <dholbach> bddebian: *GRMPF* has upstream fixed that in cvs or a newer release?
[10:12] <bddebian> dholbach: I'm not saying we should package the new version, just wondered if the wiki should reflect that it can't be fixed until the Debian maintainer updates it
[10:13] <opi> what was the UbuntuX rule? 1 if it's in Debian, none if it's our own?
[10:13] <bddebian> dholbach: "New" release.  4/26/2005
[10:13] <opi> my-package-version-ubuntuX
[10:13] <siretart> opi: if its not in debian, its 0ubuntu1
[10:13] <opi> siretart: OK, thanks
[10:14] <dholbach> bddebian: if we can't fix it otherwise, we should consider a new package version
[10:14] <tseng> ogra: ?
[10:14] <ogra> tseng, ?
[10:14] <bddebian> dholbach: You mean update outside of Debian?
[10:14] <tseng> ogra: something about "jp, tseng"
[10:15] <dholbach> bddebian: but not if it takes tooooo much time, the first zorp entry in popcon.ubuntu.com is on rank 8665 :)
[10:15] <opi> changelog entry has: packagename (version:version) distribution; urgency=value
[10:15] <ogra> tseng, he wanted to know who knows which dbus version is needed for muine from CVS
[10:15] <dholbach> bddebian: we could add a comment on their bug, that new upstream fixes it and sync from them
[10:15] <opi> if it's my first build, can I go with meta-ubuntuart (0:1)
[10:15] <opi> +?
[10:15] <ogra> tseng, so you were my bes guess
[10:16] <ogra> best even
[10:16] <dholbach> opi: why ":"?
[10:16] <opi> dholbach: following Jonathan here
[10:16] <opi> meta-kde (5:42) unstable; urgency=medium
[10:16] <opi> 42 is the build
[10:16] <tseng> ogra: i see.
[10:16] <opi> I have no idea about the 5
[10:16] <dholbach> opi: i think thats an epoch to supercede other package versions
[10:17] <dholbach> you won't need that
[10:17] <tseng> ogra: the dbus-mono api is the same one exposed from 0.2X
[10:17] <tseng> ogra: it doesnt mak e a difference
[10:17] <opi> dholbach: so (1) would do the trick?
[10:17] <ogra> ah
[10:17] <dholbach> opi: yep
[10:18] <dholbach> okay, i'm out to get a beer and some crisps
[10:18] <sistpoty> have fun ;)
[10:18] <opi> dholbach: I think I'll follow your steps :D
[10:18] <dholbach> hehe :)
[10:18] <opi> man, VIm has a syntax highlighting for Debian's changelogs
[10:19] <tseng> eh
[10:19] <tseng> its a pretty standard format
[10:19] <tseng> gnome changelogs are the same
[10:19] <opi> what next? A irony highlight for people to dumb to get one? ;)
[10:19] <tseng> uh
[10:19] <opi> tseng: yes, I know about it, but it comes in handy
[10:19] <tseng> sure.
[10:21] <bddebian> dholbach: Got any other suggestions then? :-)
[10:22] <opi> tseng: sorry if this joke didn't fit you. Sometimes I swing into clown mood.
[10:22] <tseng> i take things pretty seriously sometimes
[10:22] <tseng> dont worry about it
[10:22] <bddebian> tseng: Someone said last night that you are from the Philly area, is that true?
[10:23] <tseng> yes
[10:23] <bddebian> Sweet.  I live in Schwenksville.  Work down here by the airport.
[10:23] <tseng> the philly airport?
[10:23] <bddebian> Aye
[10:23] <siretart> Gazer: I added you to the revu keyring, you may proceed with uploading now
[10:23] <tseng> i was there yesterday
[10:23] <bddebian> Fun place isn't it! ;-)
[10:23] <tseng> hardly
[10:24] <tseng> i drove in, dropped of roomate and hightailed it out of there
[10:24] <bddebian> Gotta be one of the worse run airports I have ever seen
[10:24] <tseng> i fly out of BWI
[10:24] <opi> bddebian: come, visit Poland. You will change your mind eventualy. ;)
[10:25] <siretart> Gazer: ?
[10:25] <bddebian> opi: :-)
[10:25] <bddebian> JanC: fpc is up :-)
[10:26] <bddebian> So what does the little lightbulb next to the hammer on REVU mean?
[10:26] <tseng> NEW
[10:26] <tseng> or New rather
[10:26] <tseng> no comments yet maybe
[10:26] <bddebian> Well fpc has no comments either but it has no light-bulb
[10:26] <sistpoty> it means not in the ubuntu-archive
[10:26] <bddebian> Ahhh
[10:27] <bddebian> Hmm, fpc shouldn't have been either
[10:27] <bddebian> Bah, wtf do I know
[10:28] <sistpoty> bddebian: oops, got it wrong again... means that the package is not in debian-archive (imo tauware runs debian)
[10:29] <bddebian> Ahh
[10:30] <siretart> sistpoty: no, I check against more or less current lists from breezy
[10:30] <siretart> bye tseng
[10:30] <sistpoty> bye tseng
[10:30] <bddebian> Later tseng
[10:31] <siretart> .oO( no bad jokes about tseng beeing bigger than a home? )
[10:31] <siretart> *g*
[10:31] <bddebian> heh
[10:31] <tseng> its a redirect
[10:31] <sistpoty> hehe
[10:31] <tseng> overloaded symbols for the win
[10:32] <siretart> lol
[10:32] <opi> Beer. Check. Chips. Check. Package build. Failed. Well, you can't have everything
[10:33] <bddebian> hehe
[10:33] <sistpoty> keep on drinking ... errr trying ;)
[10:35] <bddebian> Well I got to built (I think), so someone give me another :-)
[10:35] <bddebian> Or better yet a beer. ;-)
[10:37] <bddebian> You need some type of prioritization on MOTUTodo
[10:38] <siretart> bddebian: s/you/we/
[10:38] <siretart> ;)
[10:38] <bddebian> siretart: I am not MOTU yet, so I didn't want to say "we" :-)
[10:39] <bddebian> Or may never be who knows. :-)
[10:39] <opi> anyone can look at this: http://bronikowski.art.pl/~emil/meta-ubuntuart.tgz
[10:39] <opi> +?
[10:39] <siretart> bddebian: that doesn't matter, we're all working together, so "we" :)
[10:40] <bddebian> OK, fair enough.
[10:41] <bddebian> opi: Hmm, can't open it in Windows ;-)
[10:41] <opi> bddebian: try AmigaOS :>
[10:41] <opi> that's this meta-pacakge I'm trying to build
[10:42] <opi> I'm still getting: your changelog sucks at line 5 error
[10:42] <bddebian> Doh
[10:42] <bddebian> opi: What is line 5?
[10:42] <opi> IIRC it's lasts line
[10:42] <opi> maybe it needs spare line
[10:42] <ogra> opi, we already have a ubuntu-artwork metapackage
[10:42] <ogra> opi, lets just adjust the contents there
[10:42] <opi> ogra: D'oh, I'll renema it then
[10:43] <opi> ogra: I'll reneme it
[10:43] <ogra> (assuming you want to use it for the artwork team works)
[10:43] <bddebian> re-enema?
[10:43] <bddebian> ;-P
[10:43] <opi> ogra: yes
[10:43] <ogra> opi, so lets use the existing metapackage then ;)
[10:44] <opi> ogra: the idea is to provide a software selected by Ubuntu-Artwork team within one package
[10:44] <opi> ogra: plus, it will be filled with templates and docs later (I think;-)
[10:44] <ogra> opi, yes...
[10:45] <bddebian> Seriously though, it would be nice to work on MOTUTodo on what folks thought were the highest priorities
[10:45] <opi> ogra: that's the same thing? :D
[10:45] <opi> ogra: in other words, I can drop it and drink beer? ;)
[10:45] <bddebian> heh
[10:45] <opi> ogra: I thought that ubuntu-artwork is wallpaper related
[10:45] <opi> ogra: not software related
[10:46] <ogra> opi, oh, so you mean a software selection metapackage that depends on gimp and blender ?
[10:46] <ogra> etc...
[10:46] <opi> ogra: Oi
[10:46] <bddebian> Well I suppose I better head home before my wife disowns me.  Catch you all later
[10:46] <opi> ogra: that's the plan
[10:46] <ogra> opi, hmm...
[10:47] <opi> ogra: plus some documentation on Ubuntu-artwork team rules
[10:47] <opi> (when one will be set;-)
[10:47] <ogra> opi, you should discuss that with Kamion and mdz first, there is controversal thinking about metapackages ...
[10:47] <opi> ogra: it was just an excuse for me, to learn about metapackages :-)
[10:48] <opi> ogra: it's an effect of brainstorming on the mailing list
[10:48] <ogra> opi, try it, build it, but speak to mdz about it if he's back from HEL
[10:48] <opi> ogra: it can be even unofficial one :-)
[10:48] <ogra> opi, i saw the discussion :)
[10:48] <opi> ogra: OK, I'll do that
[10:48] <opi> ogra: so, you see that I'm drunk again today :D
[10:48] <ogra> heh
[10:49] <opi> anyway, there's always a learning experience in this
[10:51] <opi> btw: is Badger still badly broken?
[10:51] <opi> I still compile agains Hoary
[10:51] <opi> (no, I can't have chroot, no room for that;-)
[10:52] <sistpoty> opi: i fixed the changelog: http://studhome.rrze.uni-erlangen.de:/~sisptoty/meta-unbuntu-art.tar.gz
[10:52] <ogra> breezys X is currently broken on all arches but amd64
[10:52] <opi> sistpoty: could you share with me what you did? :-)
[10:52] <opi> ogra: so I'll pass :-P
[10:53] <sistpoty> opi: I just added two spaces and adjusted the time format so that it has seconds
[10:53] <opi> sistpoty: oh. Stupid must I be, then says Master Yoda.
[10:54] <opi> sistpoty: I'm geting 404 on your URL
[10:54] <sistpoty> args... type: http://studhome.rrze.uni-erlangen.de/~sistpoty/meta-unbuntu-art.tar.gz
[10:54] <opi> got it
[10:54] <opi> I'll diff it, thanks
[10:54] <sistpoty> np
[10:56] <sistpoty> opi: maybe you should adjust the copyright and the rules file (at least these two... have only glanced at it)
[10:56] <opi> sistpoty: will do, I ripped JRiddler metapackage as dholbach suggested
[10:57] <opi> sistpoty: needs finetune
[10:57] <siretart> gnarf
[10:57] <siretart> ghc6 is b0rken in breezy
[10:58] <sistpoty> siretart: what do you need ghc6 for?
[10:58] <siretart> sistpoty: for these packages:: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGhc6Transition
[10:59] <opi> re \sh
[10:59] <\sh> ok..no breezy update until xorg is running again ;)
[10:59] <opi> \sh: heh, I should dist-upgrade few days ago then :-)
[11:00] <sistpoty> siretart: will ghc6 build with ghc5?
[11:01] <siretart> sistpoty: according to the debian changelog, this was disabled because upstream does not support that anymore
[11:01] <siretart> preety weird situation
[11:02] <sistpoty> I'll take a look... at least then i'll do something for my "benoteter schein": coping with haskell ;)
[11:03] <siretart> ok, I filed https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12732
[11:04] <siretart> sistpoty: the sanest way would be to create some sort of ghc6-bootstrap package, which does not depend on ghc6. But I have now idea of haskell, nor of ghc :(
[11:04] <siretart> but for today, I'm off to bed
[11:04] <GazerWork> Hi!, I made an upload to REVU but I see that orig.tar.gz was not upload :/ , how can I fix that ?
[11:04] <siretart> GazerWork: make your sourcpackage with options "-S -sa"
[11:05] <siretart> for dpkg-buildpackage/debuil, that is
[11:05] <GazerWork> siretart, I see, and next run dput *_source.changes ?
[11:05] <sistpoty> gn8 siretart
[11:05] <siretart> GazerWork: jepp
[11:05] <siretart> gn8 folks,
[11:07] <GazerWork> siretart, thx
[11:09] <opi> OK guys, thanks for all help
[11:09] <opi> I'm going to catch some Zzz
[11:11] <slomo> and me too ;) gn8
[11:11] <\sh> well..I will w8 until my breezy is upgraded *lol*
[11:12] <dholbach> night opiZzzZzz, siretart, slomo
[11:12] <comadreja> sorry \sh :(
[11:12] <\sh> comadreja: no problem :) I will try it again :)
[11:12] <\sh> it's only my second time today :)
[11:12] <comadreja> hehehe
[11:12] <\sh> this is what I love :)
[11:15] <tritium> dholbach, good night.  I'm taking off as well...
[11:15] <tritium> See you all later.
[11:15] <dholbach> bye tritium and good luck with that presentation
[11:15] <dholbach> you'll be fine!
[11:16] <tritium> dholbach, good luck with your dissertation.  You'll do great!
[11:16] <dholbach> it's not exactly a dissertation, but thanks :)
[11:17] <tritium> bye...
[11:32] <sistpoty> I'm off for a while (trying to build a ghc6-debootstrap-package on my debian/unstable)... cya
[11:32] <dholbach> bye sistpoty and good luck with that
[11:49] <dholbach> how comes?
[11:49] <ivoks> after 40 years...
[11:49] <ivoks> she's back!
[11:50] <dholbach> who?
[11:50] <ivoks> http://www.dalmacija.net/komiza/smedvjedica.htm
[11:51] <dholbach> monk seals :)
[11:51] <ivoks> adriatic monk seal
[11:51] <ivoks> everybody tought she's gone :(
[11:51] <dholbach> they surely were on a vacation or something
[11:51] <ivoks> vacation?
[11:52] <dholbach> on a holiday... i was talking crap, don't mind me :)
[11:52] <ivoks> ?
[11:52] <jbailey> I just can't imagine seals wandering around singing "pie jesu domine.  dona eis requiem" and hitting themselves in the head with the tablets.
[11:52] <ivoks> this isn't north pole's seal :)
[11:52] <ivoks> ah, long story...
[11:53] <ivoks> omg, mtv sucks..
[11:53] <tseng> no kidding
[11:53] <dholbach> jbailey: they do... and they just recite the current phrases of our pope, stuff like: "harry potter is bad for you" - in latin, of course
[11:53] <ivoks> all the time lonley - akon :)
[11:54] <jbailey> dholbach: Er... I had actually been refering to the Monty Python skit... =)
[11:55] <dholbach> jbailey: i was referring to something else ;-)
[11:56] <\sh> ok...breezy packages are on my system...configuring now...
[11:56] <\sh> and then I'm going to bed to have a surprise for the breakfast