=== dmk [~dmk@host81-156-25-252.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jbailey [~jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === susus [~sz@p5089F124.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:18] schweeb: holy crap [01:18] schweeb: this gmime package is ANCIENT [01:18] schweeb: it makes me cry === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] good night ! === bddebian [~bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === uniq_ [~frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:05] help, I updated and my spanish keyboard stopped working... I get an error "Error activating XKB configuration" [02:06] I mean, I did a apt-get upgrade === Arrogance [~aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-148-125.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob^ [~rob@dsl-202-52-55-156.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:15] welcome to the club === tseng picks up little pieces of beagle off the walls [02:15] <\sh> comadreja: don't reboot ,-) [02:17] <\sh> my system is completely screwed...I removed xlibs..and with it, even ubuntu-desktop...and now try to install it...have to sleep and dreaming about daniels *lol* [02:17] dud [02:17] just empty /etc/X11/kbd/* and you wouldve been fine [02:17] <\sh> tseng: /etc/X11/kbd doesn't exist anymore [02:17] good going [02:18] <\sh> and I didn't see which package removed it :( [02:18] xlibs [02:18] Wow, so some people are alive. So anyone care to explain UniverseUnmetDeps to me? I pulled zorp and it FTBFS's much less the unmet deps for the binary [02:20] <\sh> bddebian: ftbfs with b-d? adjust debian/control, ftbfs with really serious sourcecode problem, adjust the fscking parts and provide patches in debian/patches...and adjust debian/rules for patching the source..after that: bugzilla.ubuntu.com and add the debdiff between version_in_repos with version_you_created and then provide the patch to upstream (debian upstream and source upstream) [02:21] <\sh> woot...that was too much :) cu tomorrow...finally from console :) [02:21] <\sh> and tseng, do me a favour, translate it into real english ,-) [02:21] Whoa.. I know what (well sort of knowA) what to do with FTBFS problems, but what are we supposed to do about the unmet dependencies on the binaries listed on UniverseUnmetDeps ? [02:22] <\sh> bddebian: unmetdeps are unmetdeps cause of the cxx trans [02:22] <\sh> so...dch -v x.y.z-nbuildN [02:22] <\sh> so...dch -v x.y.z-nbuildN -D breezy [02:22] <\sh> or dch -i (for ubuntu version) [02:22] <\sh> and don't forget to patch the source ,-) [02:24] <\sh> and use bugzilla for those things..so I can get a message, and can upload all the stuff with your name and email addr....so whitelist your mail addr with elmo (w.u.c/Upload) so you can be famous ;) now off to bed..6:00pm is my time....that's 4:00 utc [02:24] <\sh> 6:00am ;) [02:24] Gnight, thanks \sh [02:24] it's fucked up [02:25] now, my X have a resolution like 300x200 :D [02:25] <\sh> breezy is serious fcked .. yeah..really :) [02:25] <\sh> dpkg-configure xserver-xorg is helping :) [02:25] Makes those icons REALLY easy to see ;-P [02:25] <\sh> but not for the apt-get remove xlibs ,-) [02:25] <\sh> off to bed [02:26] OK, now who wants to explain to me what dch -v x.y.z... etc means? I know dch changes the ChangeLog but wtf?? [02:26] Sets the version of the changelog [02:27] So in that case, the next upload becomes x.y. [02:27] z === Mithrandir tickles Jeff === jbailey giggles and rolls on the ground === tseng waves at Mithrandir [02:27] Got that too. So I don't have to do anything else, just change the ChangeLog and I'm famous?? ;-P [02:27] hi tseng. [02:28] bddebian: you would normally do dch -i [02:28] bddebian: to increment the changelog by 1 [02:28] Mithrandir: Not doing another midnight skinnydip? [02:28] 0ubuntu1 becomes 0ubuntu2 [02:28] -1 becomes -2 [02:29] jbailey: Mako tried to grab me into the sauna on my way to bed, but I'm tired and Keybuk's giving a talk at 0900 tomorrow, so. [02:30] Mithrandir: Pity. Midnight parties with mako are often worth talking about for months after. [02:30] But if I'm not an MOTU yet, what do I do with any of this? [02:30] revu [02:30] see topic. [02:30] WTH is xfs.ko 945k? [02:31] jbailey: dude xfs has *always* been massive [02:31] jbailey: I know, but at the same time I would prefer to stay alive. :-) [02:31] and not fall asleep in the sauna or something [02:31] Is REVU where I should put python-pyrtf that I built for tritium, also? [02:31] but, I'm off for sleep. It's 03:31 here now [02:31] yes [02:31] so see you all around later [02:31] bye Mithrandir [02:32] g'n Tollef! [02:32] Later Mithrandir [02:33] tseng: Was that yes to me? [02:34] yes [02:35] is there any way to fix temporarily the keyboard ? [02:35] I have no ... this symbol you use in the emails, in between of the name and the domain :) [02:35] Shit, I gotta move my gpg key.. [02:36] hm, klammeraffe [02:37] now, I will be able to only reply mails ! :D === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] tseng: dude, I didn't do gmime, slut [02:54] gsf-sharp [02:54] i know [02:54] I'll make you cry. [02:56] Hmm, I thought this was the "friendly" distro?? ;-) [02:57] not friendly to schweeb, thats for sure [02:57] he broke gmime [02:57] i sure did === schweeb sets tseng on fire [02:57] he also moves tapes for a living [02:58] h4n [02:58] if only that were all I did [02:58] and dude... [02:58] 2 weeks [02:58] I won't have to deal with tapes at all [02:59] we're going completely to clariion disk libraries [02:59] Hmm, maybe I DON'T wanna be an MOTU :-) [03:00] yea, it's not a good idea... they're horrible people [03:01] tseng likes touching little boys in bad places [03:02] Sheesh :-) [03:03] tseng == Michael Jackson? === bddebian hides === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:03] wouldn't surprise me if Brandon Hale was one of Michael Jackson's aliases [03:04] wow what the hell [03:06] tseng: I beleive the word you're looking for is "acquitted" [03:06] ;) [03:08] i take the dog out for 2 minutes and schweeb is slandering me [03:08] he cant be trusted [03:08] lol [03:09] of course not [03:09] maybe you shouldn't live on the third floor [03:09] schweeb: yay, you're helping to pay my salary [03:09] schweeb: its cheap [03:09] jamessan|laptop: hrm? [03:09] clariion === jamessan|laptop works at EMC [03:09] oh [03:09] lol [03:09] I work for a large EMC customer :) [03:09] cool [03:10] what do you do at EMC? [03:10] I work in Clariion's QA group, for now [03:10] oh, nice [03:10] we just bought like $16M worth of CDLs [03:10] wow [03:11] well, that probably included the support contract and installation [03:11] whiprush: so im having a hard time exploding muine + ruffle on my current builds [03:11] jamessan|laptop: but, I work on the chrysler account for eds [03:11] eds? [03:12] a very very large IT corporation [03:12] http://www.eds.com [03:12] jamessan|laptop: you guys have purchased my lunch for the last month ;) [03:13] neat [03:13] man, I wish I got benefits like that :p [03:13] schweeb: vendor lunches are the best [03:13] I just eat crappy cafeteria food [03:13] that's why you need to work in the field [03:13] we made a challenge at work [03:13] they should take me out to lunch after all the work I've put into this last project [03:13] most of our EMC guys have the corporate cards [03:14] to get different vendors to buy lunch as many consecutive days as possible [03:14] and get to expense at least one customer lunch a week [03:14] tseng: we probably ran about 12 days [03:14] schweeb: yeah, my roommate has one of those [03:14] plus a few dinners [03:14] only 5 here :/ [03:14] wow [03:14] but we dont do it to customers [03:14] just vendors [03:14] we also have a good amount of Symmetrix equipment [03:14] anyone trying to sell us something better be ready to buy lunch [03:15] but CDLs.... frigging cool [03:15] I haven't dealt with any Symm stuff [03:15] just spent about 4 months coming up with a new testing strategy, so we're about to start implementing that [03:16] good night schweeb and co [03:16] what kind of testing? like against different patchlevels of client systems... or just of the clariion internal software itself [03:16] night tseng [03:17] CDL = CLARiiON? [03:17] yea [03:17] jeezz [03:17] clariion disk library [03:17] a little different than a regular clariion [03:17] it emulates a tape library [03:17] this testing was specific to the rebuild/equalize stuff on the array. decided to try a more 'white box' approach, so we got to study design specs and all that to help come up with test cases [03:18] they're built on the same frames as clariions... just a little different software [03:18] kind of a feeler project to see if this approach is viable and how much it helps our current testing [03:18] we have a bunch of CDLs w/ CX700 frames [03:19] wonderful technology [03:19] wonderful price [03:19] yea, we bought the SATA models [03:19] it pays off anyway im sure [03:19] maxed out the frames... 55TB I believe [03:20] too bad the SATAII stuff isn't out yet [03:20] tseng: that sounds promising. [03:20] jamessan|laptop: if I weren't making the money doing what I'm doing... I'd probably want to be working for EMC [03:20] whiprush, hey [03:21] schweeb: they're a nice company. I've been working for them for about 3 years (co-op and full time). gonna try to move into development in the next year or so [03:22] I'm waiting to see what happens with the Cisco. They were thinking about trying to buy us [03:22] s/the // [03:22] yea [03:23] we're migrating to cisco directors currently [03:23] I send a signed CoC to Mako right? [03:23] yes [03:23] hi jsgotangco! [03:23] bddebian: planning to join us? [03:23] ajmitch: Of course [03:23] ajmitch: Are you afraid? ;-) [03:24] about time.. [03:24] whiprush, i've read you've been dabbling with hula lately [03:24] that reminds me, I should probably start packaging some stuff again [03:24] been a while [03:24] hi jsgotangco, whiprush [03:24] I'm such a slacker. [03:24] jsgotangco: yup. [03:24] hi aj! [03:24] ajmitch, hi how have you been? [03:24] What is mako's e-mail to send? I can't remember what wiki page that is on?? [03:24] ajmitch: fine, just ignore me [03:24] good, how about you? === jamessan|laptop should get eventually execute his plan to join MOTU [03:24] mako@ubuntu.com [03:24] ajmitch: good good. [03:24] bah, I can't compose coherent thoughts tonight [03:24] whiprush: Thanks [03:25] whiprush, what's the live hula server have? nightly builds? I don't see that much difference [03:25] just found out the guy coordinating the new artwork team is also from my area. [03:25] jamessan|laptop: alcohol tends to do that [03:25] Our Loco grows! [03:25] schweeb: would I do that? [03:25] schweeb: I wish that was the problem === bddebian needs to look at Locos [03:25] jsgotangco: yeah, nightly builds. I mostly set it up so that when they check in the new web stuff I'll be ready. [03:25] whiprush: we have the bestest loco ever [03:25] too bad I'm lazy === ajmitch doesn't know of other ubuntu users in his area [03:25] cause I could actually accomplish useful stuff [03:26] there are some at the local LUG, I think [03:26] tseng: are you fully gone yet? [03:27] tseng: what's a good sample mono -cil package to use, so I can repackage gsf-sharp [03:27] messages sent to siretart and mako... Here I go.. :-) [03:28] bddebian: got packages ready then? [03:29] ajmitch: 1. Gonna work on more in a bit [03:29] what 1 have you done? [03:29] haha [03:29] nice [03:30] gsf-sharp cvs hasn't even been modified since my last package [03:30] schweeb: perhaps it has been moved [03:30] doubtful [03:32] looks like you may be right - last change 4 months ago [03:33] yep [03:33] wonder if I should bother updating the package [03:34] hell, if tseng doesn't end up using it for beagle... there's not much point on even including it [03:35] yea, that's the exact same version that I packaged 3.5 months aog [03:35] *ago [03:35] ajmitch: I upgraded python-pyrtf for tritium [03:36] WHAT, there's no Pennsylvania LoCo?? WTF :-) [03:38] bddebian: stop complaining & start one :) [03:42] how can I change my gnome keyboard to US ? the gnome-keyboard-thingy crashes... [03:46] bddebian: I believe tseng is from PA. [03:47] How the hell can we already have a zorp binary when it FTBFSs? [03:47] Listen to me use "we"... heh [03:47] tseng: Is that true? [03:52] whiprush: think he's in mass or maine right now though [03:52] mass I think [03:56] bddebian: it was built before other changes made it FTBFS? [03:57] Seems strange [03:57] I get "too few arguments passed to z_stream_new". But I can't find where z_stream_new is defined [04:03] Ohh, there it is [04:13] Heh, it FTBFSs on Debian too === bddebian points at libzorp11 ? === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:14] bddebian, you got your key signed? lucky :P [04:14] seth_k: I did? [04:15] you'd better have it signed by now.. [04:15] oh, you didn't [04:16] you've met enough DDs [04:16] am waiting to hear back from mako on what I am supposed to do, probably will have to get a physically signed copy notarized :/ [04:16] ajmitch: I wasn't sure what he meant. I got several signatures at FOSDEM :-) [04:16] but he hasnt' returned my mail yet [04:17] bddebian: great [04:17] seth_k: You anywhere near Philly? ;-) [04:17] -_- [04:17] I'm in the middle of nowhereeeee [04:17] seth_k: so am I - way down in NZ :) [04:18] Fuck, stream.h does come from libzorp11 [04:18] except that I know there's about 4 or 5 DDs in this town [04:18] Grr === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-96-128-67.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian hates being clueless [04:21] ajmitch: Umm., and you went to UDU. [04:21] ajmitch: Didn't you get enough sigs there? =) [04:21] jbailey: sure :) [04:21] jbailey: but in case my key gets lost/compromised, I can get it re-signed without too many troubles :) [04:23] True [04:23] Egads. zorp in Ubuntu is 2.0.8. Debian has 2.0.9 but upstream is 3.0.4.3 wtf.. [04:24] What's zorp? [04:24] A proxy firewall apparently [04:24] bddebian: so the debian maintainer is a little behind.. [04:25] I was just working backwards from the UniverseUnmetDeps list [04:25] considering that the bugs there are > 3 months old for some of them [04:26] And considering that 3.0.4.3 was release on 4/26/2005 :-) [04:26] s/release/released [04:26] anyone running xorg -41? [04:26] PRobably just ignored it for the sarg freeze. [04:26] Amaranth > me [04:26] it works? [04:26] jbailey: all the bugs were ignored, including the FTBFS :) [04:26] except the keyboard... yes [04:26] I had to remap it with xmodmap [04:26] Amaranth: I've upgraded, haven't restarted the X server [04:27] ah yes, daniels said that would happen [04:27] -41? Wow. [04:27] I'm on -34 here. [04:27] you have to recreate a symlink [04:27] i'm on -36 [04:27] jbailey: you're about 2-3 days behind then :) [04:27] -34 was the first to split xserver [04:27] ajmitch: Sounds about right. [04:28] I usually update and reboot monday morning, and update occasionally when things I notice things I care about getting updated. [04:28] Amaranth : did daniels say when would that be fixed _ [04:28] (ephy, gaim, evo, etc...) [04:28] comadreja: You need to create an xkb symlink or something [04:29] Amaranth : is that documented somewhere ? [04:29] no [04:29] i don't think i have logs either [04:29] Amaranth : I need it badly [04:31] OK, now what :-( [04:32] Should I update the UniverseUnmetDeps wiki page? [04:36] is there any tool that prints the keycode of the key I'm typing ? [04:36] xev [04:36] thanks === Arrogance [~aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-148-125.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:42] where'd everybody go?? :-) === ajmitch shrugs [04:44] I'm still at work :) [04:44] Sorry for you :-) [04:45] i just ate [04:45] it pays the bills :) [04:45] might even pay for me to get some computer upgrades [04:45] or, you might consider the possibility that everyone hates you and is hiding from you, bddebian [04:46] seth_k: Well that much is probably true [04:46] ajmitch: I feel really bad. I keep meaning to send the damn laptop.. :-( [04:55] Anyone have any idea what TeX capacity exceeded means ? [04:56] tweak texmf.cnf (usually located in /etc/texmf) [04:56] give the whiner more main_memory [04:57] or maybe it's pool_size [04:57] increase one of those [04:57] or both [04:57] texmf.cnf? [04:57] bddebian: ah, you haven't sent it yet? :) [04:58] ajmitch: No. :'-( === ajmitch might have time to get that new amd64 laptop then :) [04:58] you can send me another laptop while you're at it, bddebian :D === seth_k busted out the old 400 MHz laptop today and is setting up an Ubuntu server for Apache / SVN on it [04:59] seth_k: Sure, I'll add you to the list :-) [04:59] haha [04:59] is there a story behind you having laptops lying around? [05:00] I used to get a bunch where I used to work. My "stash" is dwindling though now that I work for a po-dunk company.. :-( [05:00] seth_k: companies tend to cycle through hardware every few years :) === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-184-135-68.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:01] at one point I could have picked up some p3 laptops fairly cheaply from a client [05:01] It kicked ass when I was getting a bunch of PowerBooks [05:03] ajmitch: p3 laptops are worthless though [05:03] slow and powerhungry [05:03] schweeb: dude, I've got a 400MHz p2 [05:03] hahaha [05:03] Hey [05:03] you suck :p [05:03] it was good enough to use at UDU ;) [05:03] I have a 1.7Ghz P4-M and a 1.5Ghz P-M [05:04] Dell and IBM, respectively [05:04] Damn, sounds like schweeb should be the new hardware whore.. ;-P [05:04] well [05:04] my Desktop is a Duron 700 [05:04] so I don't go too overboard [05:04] understood ajmitch, just wasn't sure if there was more of a story than that === bddebian has too damn many computers [05:05] that 1.7Ghz P4-M is 3+ years old [05:05] the 1.5Ghz P-M is 1 month old === seth_k has an Athlon XP 2000+ (desktop), Pentium M 1.6 GHz (laptop), Pentium II 400 MHz (laptop) [05:05] the PII is trash though, screen is shot. Hence headless server time for it [05:05] pfft [05:05] my desktop is similar, but 1800+ [05:06] the screen on my laptop looked like it was heading south at one point [05:06] but hasn't yet [05:06] both of my screen hinges are broke [05:06] I should take a picture of mine, it has this cool wavy strip down the middle [05:06] I'm not buying another Dell laptop, ever [05:06] 2 - 3Ghz desktops, 2 - 1Ghz laptops, 2 - p2 800mhz, 1 - 1Ghz desktop, 1 - 550Mhz desktop, and 1 lowly p2 - 450 [05:06] schweeb: my hinges busted once, had to order new ones. [05:06] bddebian: you suck [05:06] bddebian: not bad [05:06] IBM all the way [05:06] :) [05:07] does IBM put Windows (excuse me, Meta) keys on their notebooks yet? [05:07] next purchase is going to be either a rackmount or a dual opteron setup [05:07] I remember that drove me mad when I had to use one awhile back [05:07] seth_k: no [05:07] Oh yeah and a power hungry Compaq Proliant Dual p2-450 that I am not runnig atm [05:08] I wonder if Lenovo will kill IBM's personal computer stuff by being crappy [05:08] OK, all of thse LaTeX warnings are pissing me off [05:08] seth_k: absolutely not [05:08] it's the same equipment [05:08] just new name [05:08] this X41 is a Lenovo built system [05:09] plus they're still pretty tightly associated with IBM [05:09] they can use the name for 5 years === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:09] I dunno, like Lexmark? They let those printers go to shit.. :-) [05:09] everyone's low end printers are shit now [05:10] lexmark makes fine higher end printers [05:10] HP has a policy that if 3 parts break on their low end printers, they just replace the whole thing [05:10] that is how little they are wroth [05:10] I love my Canon printers. I've never had one go out on me [05:10] they just keep on going and going and going [05:10] their linux driver support is pretty shoddy though [05:11] save size=5000 [05:11] I need to get around to purchasing a laser printer one of these days [05:11] POS [05:11] I will print on nothing less === bddebian looks in his basement [05:11] Yep, got a laser printer laying around too :-) [05:11] by laser printer, I don't mean an old hplj4 or 5 :p [05:12] lol. bddebian: Offical Ubuntu Dev Supplier [05:12] I mean a reasonably new one, of a decent series [05:12] It's a 6P sheesh ;-P [05:12] blech [05:12] seth_k: nah, official Hurd Dev Supplier ;) [05:12] 4000 series at the least [05:12] anything else is just aching for trouble [05:12] You want the big ass ugly Lexmark from work instead since you think they work? :-) [05:13] you know what are wonderful printers? [05:13] Tektronix [05:13] ajmitch: Amen to that :-) [05:13] Yes [05:13] their color wax printers rule [05:13] Tektronix, they made those pwnage solid-ink printers, right? [05:13] yes [05:13] yeah [05:14] now owned by Xerox [05:14] OK, I'm sick of building FreePascal already [05:14] i loved their free black ink for the life of the printer promo [05:14] yea [05:14] they did the free printer deal at my last job [05:14] that's like an $800+ printer... free [05:15] only had to print out a report on usage at the end of every month [05:15] I need to get my dad to try CYCAS and see if his old autocad files will open in CYCAS in Linux. [05:15] Compatibility with DXF (and DWG?) has been a hold up for converting his desktop to Linux for years. He is still running a version of Windows 98 that was actually installed in 1998. Its the must cluttered and unstable windows desktop Ive ever known. [05:16] Heh [05:16] heh. Anything with Windows 98 can't be the most unstable Windows ever, since Windows ME is the definition of unstable [05:16] Tell him to upgrade to ME ;-P [05:16] seth_k: Doh, you beat me to it.. :-) [05:16] :D [05:17] uuurrrgh [05:17] sorry... middle click paste [05:17] from blog [05:17] heh [05:18] been a while since I did that === seth_k checks mail obsessively, waiting for mako to reply [05:18] the last laptop that always happened cause the trackpad was fucked [05:18] click, click, click [05:18] this time, I actually have a middle button on the laptop [05:19] just accidentally hit it w/ my thumb while reaching for the space bar [05:19] Oh look a reply from mako already [05:20] j/k seth_k ;-P [05:20] lol [05:20] I sent him an e-mail on the 5th actually. But I suspect it was probably filtered because I forgot to clearsign, so sent him a binary attachment [05:21] so resent it Tuesday, with an ascii attachment [05:22] bddebian: now that you've signed it, you're bound to spend all your spare time on ubuntu, of course === seth_k passes the time by waiting for codeslaves to rebuild everything that depends on the now-defunct libXrender.la [05:25]