[12:00] <Raskall> agh.. I get so slow downloads from apt.. only 400 kB/sec. Sometimes only 410.
[12:00] <LuckyStrike> kbrooks, im confused :(
[12:00] <Mr> I have ralink 2500 wireless card.  It is listed in device manager but when I open the net tools it isnt listed.
[12:00] <nalioth> howdy
[12:00] <WeirdAl> <3 tiglionabbit
[12:00] <WeirdAl> thanks
[12:01] <zer> Mr: It works :-) But, you have to do some things on your own
[12:01] <Mr> such as....?
[12:01] <Raskall> Mr: the fact that it shows up in device manager doesn't mean you have a driver loaded for it..
[12:01] <Mr> ok
[12:01] <Mr> im listening
[12:01] <liz4rd> my ISP gave me 2 ips. how would i be able to use the other ip instead of dhcping to this one (there both static) any ideas?
[12:01] <zer> Mr: Ok...you don't speak german, do you? :o)
[12:01] <Mr> no
[12:02] <Mr> I have the drivers for linux and windows on my windows partition
[12:02] <zer> Mr: Ok, wait...i try to
[12:02] <husher> liz4rd, set your ip address to the other ip
[12:02] <kbrooks> LuckyStrike, what are you trying to accomplosh?
[12:02] <Mr> I have translation programs
[12:03] <Mr> I you post in german I should be able to translate
[12:03] <liz4rd> husher, WOW thats was good help man WHY DO YOU THIN K I CAME IN HERE!!! i dont know how
[12:03] <zer> Mr: Ok, watch this: It works perfectly! http://www.ubuntu-de.org/wiki/treiber:netzwerk:ralink_rt2500_installieren
[12:04] <LuckyStrike> just to install that program in ubuntu (only just installed ubuntu)
[12:04] <zer> Mr: If you have questions, ask
[12:04] <Mr> Thank you.
[12:04] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: bring back the bot
[12:04] <husher> liz4ard, ok, here's an idea:  try re-phrasing your question before you piss people off who are trying to help you.
[12:04] <LuckyStrike> its just it said it was kde and i dont have kubuntu so thought it might not be possible
[12:04] <Mr> Any ideas on how to mount my windows partition without geting access denied message?
[12:04] <husher> liz4rd, if someone tells you your question is unclear, why not try to clarify?
[12:05] <liz4rd> what do you not understand?
[12:05] <liz4rd> my ISP gave me 2 ips. how would i be able to use the other ip instead of dhcping to this one (there both static) <-- makes sence
[12:05] <zer> Mr: edit your fstab correctly :-)
[12:05] <nalioths_dog> Mr: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[12:05] <lcdd> i though it was quite clear. he wants to set up his network interface
[12:05] <kbrooks> LuckyStrike, it's possible.
[12:05] <lcdd> +t
[12:05] <LuckyStrike> ok
[12:05] <husher> liz4rd, stop it.  i understand now.  there's no reason to be a dick about it.
[12:05] <tiglionabbit> LuckyStrike: you should be able to install most anything.  APT will handle the dependencies.  I have the full ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop installed at the same time, and all of their programs can be used from either desktop
[12:05] <TokenBad> ok question...I went to dsl reports and did their tweak test..and it told me a couple things..but not sure how to do it...
[12:05] <Big_O> but you can mount them from fdtab anyway
[12:05] <nalioth> LuckyStrike: your apt will d/l the necessary kde components to enable any kde program you wish to install
[12:05] <kbrooks> LuckyStrike, name of package please
[12:05] <TokenBad> like turn on selective acks
[12:05] <liz4rd> i..want..to..change...my..ip..to..a..diff..on..my..isp..gives..me..2....how...do..i ..make..it..bind..to..the..other..one husher?
[12:05] <husher> liz4rd, are you running gnome?
[12:05] <Big_O> fstab^^
[12:06] <Mr> Thank You.
[12:06] <TokenBad> changing the mtu
[12:06] <liz4rd> husher, fuck now i hate it :P
[12:06] <TokenBad> and to change the rwin
[12:06] <Big_O> anyway
[12:06] <husher> liz4rd, forget it.  find someone else.
[12:06] <glick> the nicest desktop is of course XFCE4
[12:06] <kbrooks> liz4rd, dont act like a noob
[12:06] <TokenBad> but how do that on linux?
[12:06] <kbrooks> case you arent
[12:06] <kbrooks> liz4rd, pm me
[12:06] <kbrooks> liz4rd, nm
[12:06] <liz4rd> kbrooks, fuck you :P
[12:06] <kbrooks> wtf
[12:06] <husher> kbrooks, you take him
[12:07] <Big_O> i want to creat a partition i can use for storage in both windows and linux
[12:07] <LuckyStrike> i dont know name of package but website for program is at http://six.retes.hu/
[12:07] <liz4rd> i know him :P
[12:07] <husher> i'll be more than happy to help people who aren't beligerent
[12:07] <Big_O> i was thinking ntfs
[12:07] <liz4rd> well you asked me to clerify a question that was perfectrly ok...
[12:07] <tiglionabbit> liz4rd: do this: sudo ifconfig eth0 your.new.ip.address   , where eth0 is the device you want to use that IP
[12:07] <liz4rd> so i got fustrated
[12:07] <dylan_> liz4ard is a faggot
[12:07] <dylan_> and uses Mac OS 4
[12:07] <kbrooks> dylan_, BE NICE
[12:07] <liz4rd> OH YEAH GO YOU
[12:07] <nalioth> Big_O: use fat32, ntfs is not safely writable from linux
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> this is not good ubuntu behavior.  Please stop that, dylan_
[12:08] <dylan_> sorry
[12:08] <husher> liz4rd, what you think is a perfectly worded quesition may not be to someone else
[12:08] <dylan_> SORRY EVERYONE
[12:08] <Big_O> yeah thats what ive had problems with
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: hey, what about advising they use ext2 and add the ext2fsd driver to windows explorer?
[12:08] <nalioth> Big_O: what windows OS do you use?
[12:08] <liz4rd> husher, instead of telling me my question doesnt make sence to you tell me what parts :)
[12:08] <Big_O> still wasny sure about fat 32
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: does that work very well?
[12:08] <Big_O> so thanks
[12:08] <kbrooks> tiglionabbit, dylan is whining
[12:08] <AndyRR> dylan_, please stop shouting
[12:08] <Big_O> xp
[12:08] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: am getting there, thanks
[12:08] <dylan_> sorry, im bipolar
[12:08] <husher> liz4rd, so, if you like, tell me if you're running gnome or not in response to my previous question
[12:08] <kbrooks> bipolar?
[12:09] <liz4rd> no
[12:09] <liz4rd> xfce4
[12:09] <husher> ah
[12:09] <eno__> has anyone ever had it where xmms wont play sounds but other things will?
[12:09] <kutucape> hi all
[12:09] <kbrooks> nalioth, someone is fingering me
[12:09] <nalioth> Big_O: you can use ext2 for your shared storage as they make an ext2 driver for xp/2k, which will allow you to access that partition
[12:09] <skora> eno__, yes
[12:09] <kutucape> i'm upgrading hoary to breezy right now
[12:09] <tiglionabbit> eno__: yes, ESD has mixing problems, you can usually only play one media player at once
[12:09] <eno__> did you figure out a way to fix it?
[12:09] <tiglionabbit> !sound
[12:09] <liz4rd> tiglionabbit, do i have to restart for it to take effect?
[12:09] <kutucape> i dont know if will break my system or not
[12:09] <eno__> !sound
[12:09] <tiglionabbit> eno__: yes, there's a forum post...   but damnit ubotu is gon
[12:10] <nalioth> Big_O: the difference is: in fat32 you can only have 4gb single files, in ext2 you can have one file (bigger than 4gb)
[12:10] <Markrian> kutucape: good luck!
[12:10] <Slipaway172> im waiting for breezy to become avaiable so i can upgrade. its buggy for me
[12:10] <Big_O> yeah but ill be iseing to store games and movies
[12:10] <skora> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: !!!  FIX THE BOT
[12:10] <nalioth> kbrooks: fingering is common internet behavior, i hope you have an interesting .plan file
[12:10] <eno__> oh well
[12:10] <skora> that's what helped me.
[12:10] <eno__> if I need mp3s I can boot in knoppix
[12:10] <husher> liz4rd, is your interface eth0?
[12:10] <kbrooks> nalioth, CTCP finger
[12:10] <kutucape> Markrian, maybe it just xorg problem, i hope so
[12:10] <Slipaway172> nalioth,  what is a finger?
[12:10] <liz4rd> i dont know how can i tell husher
[12:10] <husher> type ifconfig
[12:11] <kutucape> i like playing with bleeding edge ;)
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> eno__: no, you can get it all to work fine
[12:11] <Big_O> sand im not really gotng to have files over 4 gigs
[12:11] <husher> liz4rd, look for the interface with an ip address
[12:11] <Big_O> and^^^
[12:11] <liz4rd> bash: ipconfig: command not found
[12:11] <eno__> should I go into /dev and delete my sound card?
[12:11] <liz4rd> WTF
[12:11] <kutucape> well, I was a linuxfromscratch...
[12:11] <kutucape> lfs user
[12:11] <Big_O> eno__,  err no
[12:11] <eno__> fine :|
[12:11] <kbrooks> wtf. Someone is fingering me thru CTCP
[12:11] <nalioth> finger is a common way of 'checking' up on someone on a network. when fingered on a network, the users status (logged in, last login, etc and /or their .plan file is displayed)
[12:12] <kutucape> !finger
[12:12] <nalioth> kbrooks: /ignore ?
[12:12] <Big_O> have you checked the xmms properties
[12:12] <kutucape> whereis ubotu?
[12:12] <eno__> kind of
[12:12] <Big_O> what driver is it trying to use
[12:12] <Big_O> ?
[12:12] <nalioth> Big_O: if you rip DVDs to iso images, you will have files over 4gb in size
[12:12] <glick> how do you do a minimal ubuntu install for server config?
[12:12] <liz4rd> husher, oops i thought you said ipconfig
[12:12] <kbrooks> Slipaway172, who are you?
[12:12] <eno__> I tried all of the outputs, they all just rip through my playlist wihtout playing any songs
[12:12] <Slipaway172> why
[12:13] <Markrian> glick: when the install CD boots up, type 'server' then enter
[12:13] <Big_O> nalioth,  i dont have a dvd writer
[12:13] <kbrooks> Slipaway172, i demand you stop the finger/version on me
[12:13] <Slipaway172> i just like looking around , but i dont touch or i buy
[12:13] <Slipaway172> ok
[12:13] <glick> thnx
[12:13] <Big_O> or drive :(
[12:13] <Slipaway172> whatever
[12:13] <glick> Markrian, what does it install when server is selected?
[12:13] <nalioth> Big_O: that doesnt keep you from ripping for backup on a large HD array
[12:13] <cletus> can I compile c++ source code from a file without having a makefile?
[12:13] <glick> cletus, yes
[12:13] <tiglionabbit> cletus: yup
[12:13] <kbrooks> cletus, g++
[12:13] <Markrian> glick: the base system needed for linux to work
[12:14] <supernix> anyone good with OpenOffice 2.0 that could help me ?
[12:14] <husher> liz4rd, did you not install gnome and any of the other tools, or are you just running xfce4 aside from it?
[12:14] <Markrian> No X, no servers
[12:14] <tiglionabbit> g++ file.cpp -o executablename
[12:14] <cletus> what would the syntax be?  I
[12:14] <liz4rd> tiglionabbit, (myip): error fetching interface information: Device not found
[12:14] <liz4rd> husher, no gnome is installed
[12:14] <Big_O> eno__,  what out put plugin are you useing now?
[12:14] <cletus> awesome, thankyou :)
[12:14] <_Arturoo_> how i can install a driver for one device?
[12:14] <eno__> ALSA
[12:14] <Big_O> hit configure
[12:15] <glick> xfce4 is the shiznit
[12:15] <liz4rd> fuck yerah
[12:15] <liz4rd> yeah*
[12:15] <husher> liz4rd, try typing 'sudo network-admin'
[12:15] <eno__> and now?
[12:15] <kbrooks> i use xfce4 on debian
[12:15] <Big_O> eno__,  what audio device is it looking for?
[12:15] <glick> liz4rd, how did you not install gnome
[12:15] <eno__> hw:1;1
[12:15] <TPC> ok, I installed breezy on my test machine, (I know that you're not supposed to use it yet, but hey, its a test machine, so it doesn't matter if it breaks some, I just want to try some of the new features), and when I start X it complains that it can't find the font 'fixed'. Is there anything I can do, or should I just go test some other unstable thing ;)
[12:15] <eno__> I tired all 3 though
[12:15] <Mr> I wanted to use CollegeLinux, but the bootloader tries to install to hda which happens to be my CD drive and I don't know how to change where the bootloader goes so I tried Ubuntu, it installed fine but I am a |\|00b and I don't know howt to get my wireless or LAN card to work and I cant mount my windows partition.
[12:15] <liz4rd> glick, sudo apt-get install gnome?
[12:15] <glick> i use xfce on debian too
[12:15] <Big_O> what other options are there?
[12:15] <husher> liz4rd, sorry, i misread that as gnome being installed
[12:15] <glick> liz4rd, how do you 'not' install gnome
[12:16] <liz4rd> glick, i'm on kubuntu
[12:16] <liz4rd> :P
[12:16] <glick> eiy!
[12:16] <goldfish> if you start with the minimal install, you also dont have to install gnome.
[12:16] <goldfish> fluxbox r00lz.
[12:16] <Big_O> yeah
[12:16] <liz4rd> husher, so configureing this wonk work then? should i exit network-admin?
[12:16] <ice_1963> i'm useing icewm lol
[12:16] <Big_O> =D
[12:16] <tiglionabbit> #kubuntu
[12:17] <husher> liz4rd, no
[12:17] <glick> im still debating weather or not to do the install
[12:17] <eno__> oh hell, I give up
[12:17] <husher> liz4rd, if it came up, it'll work
[12:17] <liz4rd> k
[12:17] <glick> of ubuntu
[12:17] <liz4rd> well now what
[12:17] <husher> liz4rd, as in no, don't exit
[12:17] <liz4rd> type my stuff in?
[12:17] <Big_O> oh well i was about to tell him to try hw 0,0
[12:17] <nalioth> Mr: my dog will send you some directions. follow them to mount your windows drive easily and safely
[12:17] <nalioths_dog> Mr: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[12:17] <LuckyStrike> pulled my network cable out by mistake :(
[12:17] <husher> select your interface, go to properties, type in your address
[12:18] <husher> liz4rd, did your isp give you a gateway address?
[12:18] <glick> i gotta go to shitty bio class
[12:18] <glick> later all
[12:19] <Slipaway172> why do i have ppl on my ban list? i have never banned anybody?
[12:19] <Big_O> pity i cant get software mixing working on this install <_<
[12:19] <goldfish> dont do that
[12:19] <goldfish> open a terminal and use ifconfig !
[12:20] <goldfish> Slipaway172: maybe the client auto bans ppl who flood.
[12:20] <dwstil> hello all
[12:20] <goldfish> hi
[12:20] <Slipaway172> ? i havent flooded
[12:21] <kutucape> di dwstil
[12:21] <dylan_> where does k3b show up in the GNOME Applications menu after install?
[12:21] <Slipaway172> it dosent
[12:21] <Slipaway172> go to terminal
[12:22] <Slipaway172> type k3b
[12:22] <nalioth> dylan_: it doesnt, use "run application"
[12:22] <husher> why is that, anyway?
[12:22] <dwstil> under the networking help at the wiki i don't see how to set up an internet conncection via dial-up, can anyone point me in the right direction?
[12:23] <UrbanFox|sleep> how do I modify my keyring?
[12:24] <mwh_> anyone know where I can find the HP-laptops, which will be certified for breezy?
[12:24] <r0d> what does ubuntu have for wireless AP scanning in the repository?
[12:24] <husher> dwstill, there's something about a modem connection in the network-admin program, provided it sees your modem
[12:24] <supernix> can linux use windows fonts ?
[12:25] <Big_O> yeah
[12:25] <UrbanFox|sleep> supernix> yes
[12:25] <UrbanFox|sleep> very well
[12:25] <UrbanFox|sleep> I'm using MS Tahoma as my application font right now :P
[12:25] <supernix> kewlio
[12:25] <dwstil> thanks
[12:25] <supernix> I installed OOo and after that I for some reason was missing some fonts
[12:25] <nalioth> supernix: yes, any truetype font
[12:25] <tiglionabbit> supernix: get "msttcorefonts"
[12:25] <nalioth> supernix: they go in ~/.fonts
[12:25] <supernix> well they show up fine in 1.1.3 but not 2.0 for some reason
[12:25] <Big_O> actually has anyone else had trouble getting software mixxing working?
[12:26] <Wermut> urbanfox, btw, is there an easy way to import the fonts from the windows partition
[12:26] <Big_O> i had it working before
[12:26] <dylan_> ok thanks nalioth
[12:26] <husher> Big_O, as in sound mixing, playing 2 things at once?
[12:26] <supernix> ty nalioth and tiglionabbit
[12:27] <supernix> is there anyway I can make them available without actually moving them to the same directory as the other fonts used by OOo ?
[12:27] <mebaran151> I dlled a src pkg for lighttpd
[12:27] <Slipaway172> so is nethack a text game?
[12:27] <Big_O> yeah husher
[12:28] <mebaran151> but I want to use it
[12:28] <mebaran151> I got a orig.tar.gz
[12:28] <mebaran151> a diff.gz
[12:28] <husher> Big_O, have you tried setting your sinks to Esd?
[12:28] <mebaran151> and a .dsc
[12:28] <UrbanFox|sleep> how do I wipe my GNOME keyring?
[12:28] <Big_O> i was trying alsa
[12:28] <mebaran151> how what dpkg command slaps them all together
[12:29] <husher> Big_O, i've heard of people who knew people who got Alsa to work, but i've never seen it
[12:29] <Big_O> husher,  i had it working iun my last install
[12:30] <husher> Big_O, then you're the first i've met:) everyone else just told me to use esd, and that has worked splendidly
[12:30] <eventual1uddha> i've had 5 install discs fail on me (1 warty, 4 hoary - 4 from a PC, 1 from a Mac). they all stall between 6%-9%. any suggestions?
[12:30] <pepsi> ] 
[12:30] <lcdd> eventual1uddha: your optical drive is broken
[12:30] <zer> eventual1uddha: your drive is broken
[12:30] <husher> eventual1uddha, try a differnet drivf?
[12:30] <Big_O> ill give it a shot
[12:30] <eventual1uddha> *sigh* k, i'll do that while freebsd downloads
[12:31] <LuckyStrike> hmm open office doesn't have verdana fon't is that normal?
[12:31] <nalioth> LuckyStrike: install msttcorefonts
[12:31] <aeho> LuckyStrike, maybe you should install ms fonts?
[12:31] <LuckyStrike> k
[12:32] <swarm> where I should look for /usr/bin/esd startup? I see with pstree that is child of init but I don't find which script to modify. I would like to modify its parameters adding -as 5 but itsn't read from /etc/esound/esd.conf.
[12:33] <LuckyStrike> would that be a sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts ?
[12:33] <ccc> LuckyStrike: yes
[12:34] <LuckyStrike> ok thanks
[12:34] <nalioth> LuckyStrike: something like that
[12:36] <pax> may the blog force be with you
[12:36] <Troy_McClure> that will be an exciting read
[12:37] <Troy_McClure> "Today i use the grep command a lot"
[12:37] <husher> ubuntu's installer needs a progress meter
[12:38] <Troy_McClure> hehe its a joke, best of luck to you, i would recomend making it a "Noobs guide to switching to linux"
[12:38] <LuckyStrike> to be honest a blog from a newbie who is setting up his system and to read some things that he stumbled on would be very useful to me right now
[12:38] <mwh_> anyone know where I can find the HP-laptops, which will be certified for breezy?
[12:38] <LuckyStrike> yet i cant seem to find that information
[12:39] <LuckyStrike> i can find evaluations of distros and basic programs but not a real diary with common mistakes that are made
[12:40] <mumbles-ccna-out> back and drunk
[12:40] <Di42lo> what codec should i install for gxine so he will work good ? except win32codecs ?
[12:41] <mumbles> !win32codecs
[12:41] <Di42lo> that it ?
[12:41] <mumbles> erm
[12:41] <mumbles> was hopeing the bot would respond
[12:41] <Di42lo> :|
[12:42] <mumbles> Di42lo,
[12:42] <mumbles> when you use synoptic
[12:42] <mumbles> just serch for win32codecs
[12:46] <blmartin777> hello
[12:48] <blmartin777> kinda quite in here
[12:49] <AndyRR> it is quiet
[12:49] <AndyRR> more than normal
[12:49] <mumbles> yeh i was thinking that
[12:49] <blmartin777> Everybody's sytem must be working perfectly
[12:50] <mumbles> yeyh
[12:50] <Troy_McClure> i fixed them all
[12:51] <mumbles> hehe
[12:53] <mpmc> How do I fix this???
[12:54] <mpmc> firefox-gnome-support:
[12:54] <mpmc>  Depends: firefox but it is not going to be installed
[12:54] <mpmc>  Depends: mozilla-firefox-gnome-support but it is not going to be installed
[12:54] <mpmc> :d
[12:54] <mpmc> :s*
[12:54] <mpmc> ideas?
[12:54] <mpmc> anyone?
[12:54] <mumbles> Troy_McClure i fixed them all -- u where sayin g
[12:55] <mpmc> firefox:
[12:55] <mpmc>  Depends: libcairo1 (>=0.3.0) but it is not installable
[12:55] <mpmc>  Depends: libpixman1 (>=0.1.3) but it is not installable
[12:55] <mpmc>  Depends: mozilla-firefox but it is not going to be installed
[12:55] <eventual1uddha> i couldn't remove the cd drive from the computer to replace it, so i ran the wires to another drive in another computer. it's a frankensteinien creation  :)
[12:55] <mpmc> looks like I'm gonna have to install ubuntu again :/
[12:55] <mumbles> !firefox
[12:55] <jasoncohen> mpmc, wait
[12:55] <mpmc> ok
[12:56] <jasoncohen> mpmc, did you use or are you using marillat?
[12:56] <mpmc> huh.. I'm new..
[12:56] <jasoncohen> or any other unofficial repository other than hoary-backports and hoary-extras
[12:56] <mpmc> please explain.
[12:56] <lcdd> i think "firefox" was in the backports
[12:56] <toasta> hey all, i gotta gnome question
[12:56] <jasoncohen> marillat is an unofficial debian repository that a lot of new users use because they see it on the forums and it's not meant to work with ubuntu. it'll break dependencies so packages don't install.
[12:57] <jasoncohen> mpmc, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file to pastebin or #flood
[12:57] <mpmc> well.. I was told on the firefox site that I need to update it. so. I removed it and tried using thier installer but it failed.
[12:57] <mebaran151> could anyone help me setup a pgsql database
[12:57] <lcdd> ubuntu needs proper documentation and less clueless users "helping" each other :)
[12:57] <bloodymale> i just put unbuntu in my lap top and it shut down my computer
[12:57] <sizzam> im running an amd xp 3000+ with a gig of ram and an nvidia gforce 440 mx 128mb card.   im running the k7 kernel and little else right now.   should i see glxgears speeds higher than 1000?
[12:58] <LuckyStrike> anyone know how to use a custom screensaver?
[12:58] <toasta> i get 1600 or more on a much weeker system using radeon9000 sizzam
[12:58] <sizzam> i could have sworn last time i installed i was getting 3000+ rates, i dont know if im missing a package or what
[12:58] <sampson> lol
[12:59] <bloodymale> i just put unbuntu in my lap top and it shut down my computer
[12:59] <TSWoodV> sizzam: Have you loaded the nvidia drivers?
[12:59] <jasoncohen> mpmc, a) ubuntu backports security bugfixes for firefox so you don't need backports
[12:59] <sizzam> TSWoodV:  yes, so far ive loaded the drivers, enabled glx, and installed linux-k7
[12:59] <mebaran151> anybody here familiar with pgsql
[12:59] <sizzam> this is a fresh install
[12:59] <TSWoodV> sizzam: check your xorg.conf file to make sure it's using "nvidia", not "nv".
[12:59] <toasta> where would one change the splash screen at
[01:00] <eventual1uddha> well, the frankenstein monster is reading hoary okay
[01:00] <sizzam> TSWoodV:  just confirmed that its "nvidia" in xorg.conf
[01:00] <swarm> how to modify parameters for esd in ubuntu?
[01:01] <bloodymale> i just put unbuntu in my lap top and it shut down my computer
[01:01] <sizzam> toasta:  how much vram does your radeon have?
[01:01] <bloodymale> can someone help me
[01:01] <TSWoodV> sizzam: That 440MX is a bit old.  You sure you've seen higher?
[01:01] <toasta> 64ddr
[01:02] <sizzam> TSWoodV:  yes, last install i was running the 386 kernel, upgraded to k7, and couldn't get the nvidia drivers to load.   someone in here had me install linux-k7 (i think thats what it was) and all of a sudden my performance improved drastically
[01:02] <sizzam> i think it was linux-k7, but he may have suggested something else
[01:03] <mumbles> sigh
[01:03] <mumbles> bored and tired
[01:03] <mumbles> going to go to bed
[01:03] <mumbles> well thinking off
[01:04] <crawl> hello , i need libvga.so.1 , what can i do with this?
[01:04] <crawl> im trying to run a game under ubuntu, it says i need this lib
[01:05] <crawl> so my questions is how can i add it to my system
[01:06] <toasta> so anyone know where the splash is located
[01:07] <bionic> When installing a new kernel and booting it, the ATI drivers has to be reinstalled?
[01:07] <toasta> or how to change it
[01:07] <r2d4> Hi! I mucked around a bit to turn off some services with ksysv and now gnome and other related WMs don't start.
[01:07] <r2d4> KDE is OK though.
[01:07] <bionic> make it easy, reboot :p
[01:08] <bionic> or did you shut them down manually?
[01:08] <r2d4> I don't see any error messages. It just drops me back to login screen.
[01:08] <jasoncohen> heh, well i fixed mpmc's problem. he just had to add sources for main & restricted which he must have accidentally removed
[01:08] <crawl> anyone can help me please
[01:08] <crawl> i need libvga.so.1 in ubuntu
[01:09] <mantikor> good evening folks
[01:09] <crimsun> crawl: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=libvga.so.1&searchmode=searchword&case=insensitive&version=hoary&arch=i386
[01:09] <toasta> hullo
[01:09] <r2d4> I am getting a pango warning for all GTK apps.
[01:09] <crawl> hi mantikor
[01:10] <sizzam> hey crimsun, you helped me get my nvidia kernel working with the k7 kernel the other day
[01:10] <crawl> crimsun : thanks :)
[01:10] <shane__> I need assistance from one of you experts out there on how to get my wusb11 linksys working.
[01:10] <mantikor> does anybody has y clue why i am geting a "connect (111 Connection refused)"  when i am "apt-get updating" ?
[01:10] <mantikor> server down?
[01:10] <crimsun> sizzam: yes, how are things?
[01:10] <shane__> I have tried to follow wiki instruction, but no avail.
[01:10] <sizzam> crimsun:  i ended up fubaring my system and had to start from scratch
[01:11] <crimsun> just use a live cd, problem resolved ;)
[01:11] <sizzam> crimsun:  do you recall if it was the linux-k7 package you recommended to fix my issues or if it was something else, im trying to apply the same fixes
[01:11] <crimsun> sizzam: yes, linux-k7
[01:11] <sizzam> crimsun:  k, i grabbed that, my glxgears rates are at 1000-ish,   last time i was getting around 3000ish
[01:12] <sizzam> wasnt sure if i was missing something else maybe
[01:12] <abarbaccia> hey all - i'm trying to export a line to a file like this:   sudo echo "blah blah blah" | sudo tee -a <filename>    --- but i want it to add it to the line before the last line - how do i do that?
[01:12] <crimsun> did you follow the instructions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[01:12] <shane__> has anyone set up linksys usb adapter yet??
[01:12] <|C_V|> Has anyone installed the JDK 1.5?
[01:12] <crimsun> abarbaccia: you wouldn't use ,,sudo echo'', for starters
[01:13] <abarbaccia> crimsun, just echo?
[01:13] <r2d4> |C_V|: I have
[01:13] <TokenBad> 2528.000 FPS I get that in glxgears
[01:13] <crimsun> yes, that's why the sudo is in front of tee
[01:13] <sizzam> crimsun:  yea, i used those instructions, from ubuntuguide.org
[01:14] <ny3ranger> question about digital output for lcd monitors ..... I cant see it ... is there anything I can do. I can see on analog mode.
[01:14] <sizzam> TokenBad:  thats what i was used to seeing, which makes me think i have something incorrect
[01:14] <r2d4> |C_V|: Just don't use the rpm on the Sun's web site. alien conversion does not work.
[01:14] <mantikor> maby you can change the input signal on your flat screen
[01:14] <ny3ranger> no i got that
[01:14] <ny3ranger> but i dont see anything
[01:15] <r2d4> |C_V|: use the other installer.
[01:15] <toasta> so how do you change the splash image
[01:15] <mantikor> right from the startup of you system or when you start gdm
[01:15] <shane__> Does anyone have procedures to install and configure Linksys usb wusb11 adapter?  I have tried the WIKI wireless instructions but it doesn't work.
[01:15] <toasta> is it safe to assume nobody knows?
[01:15] <mantikor> toasta: go on gnome.org
[01:16] <abarbaccia> crimsun, no dice on that line?
[01:16] <|C_V|> i have the installer. What next?
[01:16] <crimsun> abarbaccia: -a appends
[01:16] <sizzam> toasta:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41709
[01:16] <abarbaccia> crimsun, but the bottom line as of now is an exit 0 - it needs to go before that
[01:17] <toasta> sizzam,mantikor, thanks
[01:17] <mantikor> but what shall i do with the message connect (111 Connection refused) when i use apt-get ?
[01:17] <crimsun> abarbaccia: so think what tools you can use, namely cat, head, and shell magic
[01:18] <crimsun> s/head/grep/g
[01:18] <zirpu> anyone know if there is a compatible mainboard list for ubuntu 5.04 for amd opteron?
[01:19] <zirpu> the only one i've found is for debian, and i'm not certain that necessarily applies to the ubuntu distro.
[01:19] <Tomcat_> zirpu: Just search for <product name> on Ubuntu websites, and see if anyone has had problems.
[01:19] <Tomcat_> zirpu: And stuff that's written for Debian applies to Ubuntu... just not in the details.
[01:20] <zirpu> ah. ok. thanks.
[01:20] <abarbaccia> crimsun, i give up - i'm gonna just be like - edit it yourself
[01:20] <Tomcat_> zirpu: Buy something from a good (bigger) company, and you won't have problems... except if people already complain about it on forums. :)
[01:21] <Tomcat_> zirpu: I bought an ASUS A8N-E for example - no problems at all, there are even Linux drivers on the official CD.
[01:21] <chris> nybody here no how to get n64 2 work
[01:21] <zirpu> heh. ok. i'm considering buying a box from racklogic.com.  i know fedora core 3 worked on their boxes.
[01:22] <crimsun> abarbaccia: it's pretty simple. cat somefile |grep -v "exit 0" |sudo tee somefile.tmp && echo "yay" | sudo tee -a somefile.tmp && echo "exit 0" | sudo tee -a somefile.tmp
[01:22] <crimsun> abarbaccia: securing the temporary file is left as an exercise to the reader.
[01:22] <Tomcat_> zirpu: That's a good indication then. :)
[01:22] <chrisinator> nybody here know how 2 get sound in the internet
[01:23] <Tomcat_> chrisinator: Try to be more specific... what is "sound in the internet"
[01:23] <Tomcat_> -+?
[01:24] <Markrian> Does anyone speak good spanish and english here? I received an email in spanish and I'm not entirely sure what it says
[01:24] <chrisinator> in flash stuff like homestarrunner
[01:24] <teferi> I had five years of spanish in high school...
[01:24] <desrt> Markrian; strange place to come :)
[01:24] <cafuego> Markrian: http://babelfish.altavista.com/
[01:24] <teferi> but some of it is all muddled with the Latin I had in college.
[01:24] <Di42lo> what cool desktop tools ubuntu have ?
[01:24] <Markrian> desrt: I know, but this is like the only IRC channel I frequent :p
[01:24] <chrisinator> markrian use google transfer
[01:24] <teferi> so, um, I can probably still read it
[01:24] <Markrian> cafuego: that doesn't help me much with it :p
[01:25] <cafuego> Markrian: "The tree when in there stands" ?
[01:25] <Markrian> cafuego: ...what?
[01:25] <Markrian> teferi: thanks, lemme just paste the email at paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:26] <chrisinator> does nyoe know how to get sound in flash in the internet
[01:26] <ubuntuclient> <--newbie question regarding wine...i am trying to execute a program suing wine but cannot cd to the program files directory within /.wine/c_drive, any ideas?
[01:26] <mumbles> right bed
[01:26] <Markrian> teferi: ok, it's up
[01:26] <desrt> anyone install the new xlibs on breezy today?
[01:26] <teferi> desrt: yeah
[01:26] <abarbaccia> ubuntuclient, slash out the spaces
[01:27] <teferi> desrt: you have to clean out /etc/X11/xkb
[01:27] <desrt> teferi; how did you fix them? :)
[01:27] <cafuego> they are downloading right now
[01:27] <desrt> teferi; i just did
[01:27] <ablyss> ubuntuclient: "cd .wine/c_drive"
[01:27] <abarbaccia> ubuntuclient, just type Progra then hit tab
[01:27] <teferi> desrt: did you delete the directory itself?
[01:27] <ubuntuclient> slash out? you mean replace the space with a forward slash?
[01:27] <Tomcat_> chrisinator: You can see the video but hear no sound?
[01:27] <desrt> teferi; i just mkdir'd it.  worked.  thanks :)
[01:27] <ablyss>  /.wine << no good
[01:27] <ubuntuclient> copolio, thanks much
[01:27] <teferi> desrt: yeah, the directory has to be there for it to remove :)
[01:27] <chrisinator> yah
[01:28] <desrt> silly ubuntu
[01:28] <chrisinator> i think it might be my speaker, but im not sure
[01:28] <teferi> Markrian: this seems to be garbage
[01:28] <Tomcat_> chrisinator: Do you have sound in other applications?
[01:28] <desrt> trix are for hedgehogs
[01:28] <chrisinator> yah
[01:28] <chrisinator> cdplayer
[01:28] <chrisinator> and mplayer
[01:28] <kbrooks> trix is ew
[01:28] <kbrooks> )
[01:28] <kbrooks> :)
[01:28] <teferi> Markrian: probably spam crap?
[01:28] <ubuntuclient> 'abaraccia, i tried that but it doesn't auto fill in the rest of the directory
[01:28] <DarkSpy> Markrian: it's about last name: FREYTTER -FLORIAN something like that
[01:28] <teferi> either that, or they're asking something about your name.
[01:28] <ubuntuclient> i can view it in file manager but cannot in cmi
[01:28] <teferi> i think the second is more likely, upon second thought
[01:28] <ubuntuclient> cli that is
[01:29] <DarkSpy> probably about your family tree
[01:29] <mebaran151> could some one help me setup pgsql
[01:29] <teferi> responding "lo siento, no hablo espaol" will probably be a decent idea
[01:30] <Markrian> weird... y'see, he first emailed me in English, but it was largely gibberish, so I assumed that he was just not very good with English and suggested he use spanish (he used a few spanish words), and since I did Spanish back at school I thought I'd have a better chance.. but what the hell.
[01:30] <Tomcat_> chrisinator: If you have sound in mplayer it should be working in Flash... did you install flash by using a package?
[01:30] <teferi> Markrian: it's not particularly good spanish either, i think...
[01:30] <teferi> though it's been some time since spanish
[01:30] <Markrian> teferi: maybe he used babelfish on the English he sent me? :p
[01:31] <chrisinator> i used apt-get
[01:31] <teferi> no, it's better than that
[01:31] <LuckyStrike> is there a simple mspaint like program I can use in ubuntu?
[01:31] <DarkSpy> Markrian: do you have spanish family?
[01:31] <Markrian> DarkSpy:
[01:31] <Markrian> Not as far as I know!
[01:31] <kbrooks> LuckyStrike, so not gimp?
[01:32] <LuckyStrike> yep
[01:32] <LuckyStrike> gimp = adobe photoshop equivelant, I want a mspaint equivelant
[01:32] <ubuntuclient> need help using wine, cannot change directory to the program files directory within .wine/c_drive, any other ideas?
[01:32] <chrisinator> maybe it is my soundcard?
[01:32] <cafuego> LuckyStrike: tuxpaint
[01:32] <cafuego> LuckyStrike: Although I expect even that is nowhere neara s shit as mspaint ;-)
[01:33] <LuckyStrike> sounds like the thing for me
[01:33] <Tomcat_> chrisinator: It's really weird. If you got sound in mplayer and didn't install your flash plugin in a weird way, you should definitely have sound.
[01:33] <LuckyStrike> lol
[01:33] <chrisinator> i think my computer is just crappy
[01:33] <cafuego> LuckyStrike: If that's, not it, try 'xpaint'.
[01:33] <DarkSpy> Markrian: the man who sent you the mail just wanted to know the origin of his last name
[01:33] <chrisinator> and also i am trying 2 do something
[01:33] <cafuego> or gpaint
[01:34] <cafuego> Yes, gpaint is exactly as crap as mspaint.
[01:34] <chrisinator> its kinda silly but i want the butons on top of my viewmate keyboard 2 work
[01:34] <Markrian> DarkSpy: I see. Of course I'd know the answer to that! What a weirdo :/
[01:34] <LuckyStrike> hmm a fair amount of updates to download for ubuntu
[01:34] <DarkSpy> lol
[01:35] <Tomcat_> chrisinator: You can search the program "hotkeys" for a keyboard like yours... or create your own profile.
[01:35] <chrisinator> thanks
[01:36] <mpmc> Whats everyone doing>
[01:36] <chrisinator> can nyone get tuxracer working
[01:37] <cafuego> i'm breathing.
[01:37] <chrisinator> it wont work 4 me
[01:37] <Mez> o_O
[01:37] <cafuego> it's my favourite hobby.
[01:37] <Mez> freaky.
[01:37] <Mez> the comp next to em jsu turned itself on
[01:37] <ubuntuclient> need help using wine, cannot change directory to the program files directory within .wine/c_drive, any other ideas?
[01:37] <Phinite> working, sigh.
[01:37] <Phinite> I'd love to be configuring my laptop wireless to work though
[01:38] <cafuego> ubuntuclient: run .wine/c_drive/Program\\ Files/foo/bar.exe
[01:38] <cafuego> ubuntuclient: Note the DOUBLE \\ before the space
[01:38] <Wimpie> does anybody know a good package that autodetects on which network my laptop connects so that the interfaces file sets up the proper network ?
[01:38] <ubuntuclient> thankx cafuego...i'll try that
[01:38] <desrt> cafuego; pretty sure you want triple there :)
[01:38] <cafuego> ubuntuclient: If that doesn't work, just cd into the application directory, then run ./foo.exe
[01:39] <chrisinator> can someone help me
[01:39] <cafuego> Eh, wine ./foo.exe
[01:39] <Markrian> cafuego: I'm not sure the double \ is necessary to escape a space?
[01:39] <cafuego> Markrian: wine is a wrapper, so you need to escape the \ as well as the space.
[01:39] <cafuego> I've needed to anyway
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: I generally wrap the whole thing in "
[01:39] <Markrian> Ah, I see, I've never noticed
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> rather than escaping
[01:39] <chrisinator> i am trying 2 get tuxracer working
[01:39] <desrt> cafuego; command foo\\ bar is 2 arguments
[01:39] <lenoxmo>  /server irc.cl
[01:39] <desrt> "foo\" and "bar"
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> generally better practise
[01:40] <desrt> command foo\\\ bar gives you "foo\ bar"
[01:41] <ubuntuclient> cafuego: I don't knwo what else I could be dpoing wrong, it says no such file or location, I've double checked the spelling, but can't seem to cd to Program// Files
[01:41] <cafuego> ubuntuclient: \\ is not //
[01:41] <cafuego> ubuntuclient: if you weant to cd to it, use a single \.
[01:41] <cafuego> ubuntuclient: or quote it, like HrdwrBoB suggests.
[01:42] <cafuego> ubuntuclient: cd "~/.wine/c_drive/Program Files"
[01:42] <Phinite> Wimpie: ssidselect does that I believe
[01:42] <Phinite> google that and see what you come up with
[01:42] <ubuntuclient> i see, leme give it another shot
[01:43] <ubuntuclient> cafuego: Awesome, it worked, thanks for your help and patients!
[01:43] <chrisinator> will someone help me
[01:43] <pc16> hoaaaaa
[01:43] <mike998> does anyone know if there is a problem with the gdesklets server?
[01:43] <pc16> h hdfnc hyf ch ch h cdhskd  hw jus
[01:43] <chrisinator> i need help setting up pci cad
[01:43] <chrisinator> card
[01:43] <pc16> soy chileno conchetumadreeeee
[01:44] <LuckyStrike> I really like the gimp it is way more intuitive than photoshop
[01:44] <kamstrumental> greetings
[01:44] <chrisinator> does anyone know how 2 set up a pci card on hoary
[01:44] <cafuego> chrisinator: Open box, insert card, boot, load driver if needed.
[01:44] <kamstrumental> I JUST installed ubuntu... this is awesome.
[01:44] <laura> I'm trying to ./configure --enable-gui, but it tells me that I need PNG support. When I try to download the newest version via Synaptic Package Manager, it gives me an error
[01:44] <kamstrumental> I switched from Suse... I am novice with linux overall
[01:44] <laura> help!?
[01:44] <chrisinator> cafuego: this makes it so it goes black right before deskto
[01:44] <cafuego> laura: ./configure what exactly?
[01:45] <laura> ./configure --enable-gui
[01:45] <cafuego> chrisinator: Hmm. What card did you plug in?
[01:45] <cafuego> laura: What software?
[01:45] <chrisinator> cafuego: Voodoo 3
[01:45] <laura> trying to install Mplayer, following this guide: http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt
[01:46] <cafuego> laura: Ah ok. Does the precompiled one not have the gui?
[01:46] <chrisinator> laura: just search google mplayer deb file then do sudo apt-get mplayer
[01:46] <laura> I didn't try it
[01:46] <ce33na> kamstrumental: congrats
[01:46] <chrisinator> cafuego: Voodoo 3 PC1 Card
[01:46] <laura> k
[01:46] <cafuego> laura: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats has (I think) info on it.
[01:47] <laura> h/o
[01:47] <cafuego> chrisinator: Ah ok. You need to reconfigure X for the new video card. Hit alt-F1 to switch to the console, log in, then run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and tell it you have a Voodoo3 now.
[01:47] <laura> iger
[01:47] <laura> oops
[01:48] <cafuego> chrisinator: no, I lied. Run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[01:48] <struggler> grep: The -P option is not supported
[01:48] <struggler> grep --version
[01:48] <struggler> grep (GNU grep) 2.5.1
[01:48] <struggler> grep: The -P option is not supported
[01:48] <struggler> the man page says  -P, --perl-regexp  Interpret PATTERN as a Perl regular expression.
[01:49] <cafuego> struggler: try rgrep instead
[01:49] <cafuego> Hmm, also not.
[01:49] <Phinite> network tools doesn't seem to be even seeing my wireless adapter, what can I do to find out why?
[01:49] <struggler> cafuego, well if that works the man page is still broken
[01:49] <cafuego> Phinite: is the adapter supported by Linux?
[01:49] <laura> so can I just install a precompiled version of Mplayer?
[01:50] <cafuego> laura: yep
[01:50] <Phinite> yes, it has worked for non secure, but playing with secure I managed to make it go away ;)
[01:50] <Phinite> it worked right out of the box on non secure
[01:50] <struggler> rgrep: The -P option is not supported
[01:50] <ce33na> Phinite: look into ndiswrapper...can't help you though....My laptop is waiting for me to do the same
[01:50] <cafuego> Phinite: d'oh!
[01:50] <nameless1> can someone help me out im tryin to load ut2004 and im getting the following error   Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[01:50] <laura> from where? i'm on the site, and it just isn't there
[01:50] <cafuego> laura: let me see...
[01:50] <Velcan> anyone familiar with making icon sets or know a good channel for that?
[01:50] <kamstrumental> Since I am still novice, I have my HD partitioned off into 2 partitions.. 1 for Windows, and 1 for ubuntu.... I used partition magic in windows to create the partitions. When I decided to switch from suse to ubuntu, I deleted the partition with suse and left that partition as free space.. I restarted out of windows and booted off of ubuntu disk and installed. My problem is that I do not have a option to boot into windows.. I boot st
[01:50] <kamstrumental> raight into ubuntu...?
[01:51] <cafuego> ubotu is dead!!!
[01:51] <ce33na> kamstrumental: give me a minute to remember how to edit it back in
[01:51] <jcsh> hello
[01:51] <kamstrumental> thx
[01:51] <cafuego> !tell laura -about mplayer
[01:52] <laura> huh?
[01:52] <cafuego> laura: You just got a message from ubotu.
[01:52] <teferi> huh, that shouldn't have happened
[01:53] <laura> yeah
[01:53] <laura> will try, thanks much
[01:53] <cafuego> np
[01:56] <Phinite> I'm getting an unknown interface wlan0... where do I go and configure that now?  it looks like it tried putting it as eth0
[01:57] <HrdwrBoB> Phinite: just use it as eth0
[01:58] <Phinite> which is also not showing up anywhere.  how can I force the system to re aquire the information it had by default before?
[01:58] <ce33na> kamstrumental: still here?
[01:58] <kbrooks> I want to create a template
[01:58] <kbrooks> a file template
[01:58] <kbrooks> how do i do that
[01:59] <kamstrumental> yes i am
[01:59] <ce33na> kamstrumental: do you know how to edit a file in linux?
[01:59] <frank> v
[02:01] <kamstrumental> i'd need a refresher
[02:01] <kamstrumental> I know I must log in as admin to edit
[02:01] <kamstrumental> through terminal
[02:01] <ce33na> open a terminal windows on another desktop
[02:01] <kamstrumental> k
[02:01] <ce33na> type "sudo gedit /boot/grub" and come back here
[02:01] <ce33na> it will ask for a password
[02:02] <kamstrumental> k
[02:02] <dphase> se
[02:02] <kamstrumental> it opened brub file
[02:02] <kamstrumental> grub
[02:02] <ce33na> oops...sorry..wrong file
[02:03] <kamstrumental> lol ok
[02:03] <ce33na> type "sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst" and come back here
[02:03] <kamstrumental> opened menu.lst
[02:03] <Phinite> my wireless card isn't being picked up at all now under anyname.  how can I see what was loaded for it during boot and then how do I get it to comeup from there?
[02:04] <ce33na> look for a line that says something to the effect of "end debian automagic kernels list"
[02:04] <abrave2> ello
[02:04] <kamstrumental> it is blank
[02:04] <abrave2> how do i run a session as the root user?
[02:05] <Phinite> open a session and sudo su -
[02:05] <ce33na> kamstrumental: what partition is your windows drive? the first one on the first hard drive?
[02:05] <nameless1> can someone tell me how to get rid of the following error that i get when trying to play ut2004
[02:05] <nameless1> Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[02:06] <abrave2> in a terminal or as the username?
[02:06] <ce33na> kamstrumental: if you are not sure..it probably is
[02:06] <cafuego> Phinite: First off, check 'lspci'
[02:07] <kamstrumental> yes, it is the largest...
[02:07] <Phinite> cafuego: will do.
[02:07] <Phinite> abrave2: two ways, open a normal terminal and do the sudo su -
[02:07] <kamstrumental> the HD is 80Gigs and I partioned off about 8 for linux
[02:07] <Phinite> abrave2: other way is you can select root session through one of the gui dropdowns Applications | System Tools | Root Terminal
[02:07] <ce33na> directly below "end debian blah blah.." enter each of these on a new line
[02:07] <Phinite> you of course need the root pwd
[02:08] <ce33na> kamtstrumental: title windows
[02:08] <cafuego> Phinite: There isn't a root password.
[02:08] <ce33na> kamtstrumental: root (hd0,0)
[02:08] <ce33na> kamtstrumental: savedefault
[02:08] <ce33na> kamtstrumental: makeactive
[02:08] <ce33na> kamtstrumental: chainloader +1
[02:08] <ce33na> kamtstrumental: that is five new lines
[02:09] <Phinite> oh, sorry, your own password and be in the sudoers list
[02:09] <Phinite> :)
[02:09] <Phinite> wasn't paying attention to what I was writing
[02:09] <Phinite> :)
[02:09] <Hoxzer> how can I setup samba to not to ask password when I try to browse the linux PC from windows
[02:09] <Phinite> cafuego: Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation: Unknown device 167d (rev 11)
[02:09] <Phinite> but I swear it worked on first install with non-secure networks
[02:10] <stetyR> hi
[02:10] <Phinite> it's an ipw2200
[02:11] <kamstrumental> ce33na: the menu.lst has nothing in it...
[02:11] <ce33na> kamtstrumental: what file is it showing at the top
[02:11] <bonk> hello
[02:11] <cafuego> Phinite: You'll be needing the non-free drivers for that, then.
[02:12] <cafuego> !find ipw2200
[02:12] <bonk> what's the port for apt-get?
[02:12] <crimsun> 80
[02:12] <bonk> is it?
[02:12] <bonk> 'cause 80 isn't blocked here, but I can'
[02:12] <cafuego> bonk: 80 if it uses http and 21/20 or 1024+ if it's ftp.
[02:12] <bonk> can't update
[02:12] <Phinite> cafuego: yahh.  I love that :)
[02:12] <bonk> thanks,...
[02:13] <cafuego> Phinite: is ipw2200 loaded? (check lsmod)
[02:13] <bonk> does anyone have any ideas why I can't apt-get update
[02:13] <bonk> ?
[02:14] <bonk> it simply can't connect
[02:14] <cafuego> bonk: Using a broken mirror perhaps?
[02:15] <bonk> I don't think it is, I'll try changing to ubuntu.com
[02:15] <bonk> nope
[02:16] <bonk> it says it's connecting, but just sits at 0%
[02:16] <cafuego> bonk: Do you have a http_proxy variable set/ Does that proxy exist? Can you telnet to port 80 on the archive server?
[02:16] <bonk> no idea
[02:16] <bonk> where do I start?
[02:16] <Phinite> cafuego: the version that comes out of the box is an old one that does support non secure, but not secure.  I've found a site and am reading how to deal with it.  I'll let you know if it works as I'm sure others will ask about this
[02:16] <Determinist> how do i mount a ntfs partition?
[02:16] <ce33na> kamtstrumental: that is a problem
[02:16] <cafuego> bonk: telnet <server> 80
[02:17] <cafuego> !ntfs
[02:17] <ubotu> I heard ntfs is the filesystem used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[02:17] <cafuego> Determinist: Fetch http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[02:17] <ce33na> kamtstrumental: gotta run
[02:17] <Burgundavia> cafuego, who runs ubotu?
[02:17] <cafuego> Burgundavia: I do.
[02:18] <Burgundavia> cafuego, can you join me in #ubuntu-doc ?
[02:18] <cafuego> Burgundavia: Sure
[02:18] <bonk> cafuego, nothing happens when I do thaty
[02:18] <Buckwheat> Are there problems with the ubuntu repositories?  I've been getting MD5SUM mismatches on some files and I see a couple of other people have the same problem in the forums.
[02:18] <ColonelKernel> thats crazy you guys made parted part of the install
[02:18] <ColonelKernel> nice feature
[02:18] <ColonelKernel> very very nice feature
[02:18] <XRayNuke> !md5sum
[02:18] <ubotu> XRayNuke: I haven't a clue
[02:19] <hondje> !usrepos
[02:19] <ubotu> from memory, usrepos is if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:19] <XRayNuke> thanks hondje
[02:19] <hondje> no prob :)
[02:19] <Determinist> cafuego, it says no useable windows partitions ...
[02:20] <XRayNuke> buckwheat: yes, and you can fix it by looking at ubotu's instruction
[02:20] <mike998> hey guys, is there something along the lines of kuake for gnome?  It's an app that is basically a terminal similar to the quake terminal from the game of the same name
[02:21] <ivan__> hi all a question ive installed xmms i know it can read the tracks because it shows them but i cant hear them, although i can hear them in the default cd player
[02:21] <Determinist> mike998, erm , you mean it looks the same or what?
[02:21] <mike998> Determinist: yah, I'd like to have the same behaviour
[02:21] <mike998> mmm eyecandy
[02:22] <Determinist> mike998, that could be nice :D
[02:22] <mike998> *sigh* ohh yeah
[02:22] <mike998> ctrl+alt+tildhe = instant terminal
[02:22] <Phinite> cafuego: so far so good :)
[02:22] <mike998> ivan__ do you have the correct output selected ?
[02:22] <ivan__> ?? anyone a way to fix this ive tried somethings in the plugins section  but noo i cant hear
[02:23] <mike998> Determinist: yeahconsole
[02:23] <nameless1> I NEED HELP can someone tell me how to fix this error Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[02:23] <mike998> http://phrat.de/downloads.html
[02:24] <mike998> ivan__: have you selected the correct output for xmms?
[02:24] <ivan__> yep mike ive tried with alsa, oss, esound and disk writer
[02:24] <mike998> ivan__: is the mute off?
[02:24] <Determinist> ivan__, check to see if the cd input plugin is configured correctly
[02:25] <Burgundavia> !wiki
[02:25] <ivan__> i think it is mike because i can hear the cd from the default cd player
[02:25] <Eli2005> Is there anyway on the Ubuntu LiveCD that I can access my Windows partiton?
[02:25] <Determinist> ivan__, i dont think xmms uses any standard system thing to read the CDs , it has it's own plugin like winamp does
[02:25] <Eli2005> I'm sort of new to Linux
[02:25] <kamstrumental> just installed ubuntu.. on 2 partition computer... any way to get a boot menu up so I can go back to windows when needed?
[02:26] <Determinist> Eli2005, mount the windows partitions
[02:26] <mike998> ivan__: are you getting any kind of display on xmms: is the song title scrolling ?
[02:26] <Eli2005> What would I type in the terminal (I'm new to Linux :( )
[02:26] <ivan__> yes
[02:26] <ivan__> its playing it
[02:27] <mike998> hmmm
[02:27] <ivan__> but i cant hear it
[02:27] <ivan__> it says stereo in right corner
[02:27] <ivan__> 14H kbps  44hz freq
[02:27] <flodine> is there a way to change the icons in gaim
[02:27] <Determinist> any idea about how to mount NTFS partitions?
[02:27] <ivan__> so i think it receives audio
[02:27] <ivan__> but cant output it or something
[02:27] <XRayNuke> kamstrumental: so you can switch OSes at system startup, right?
[02:28] <Eli2005> nope
[02:28] <Eli2005> Like I said, I'm brand new to Linux
[02:28] <kamstrumental> XRayNuke: yes
[02:28] <Eli2005> Got my CD's in the mail this morning :)
[02:28] <kamstrumental> I thought ubuntu would automatically set that up
[02:28] <ColonelKernel> Woohoo!!!
[02:29] <ivan__> any idea ___mike
[02:29] <ColonelKernel> centos router w ubuntu workstation
[02:29] <ColonelKernel> life is good
[02:29] <mike998> I'm afraid not
[02:29] <flodine> hey im new to linux'
[02:29] <XRayNuke> kamstrumental: usually it does... anyway, you need to install GRUB on the disk your system boots from
[02:29] <nameless1> I NEED HELP can someone tell me how to fix this error Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[02:29] <rob^> !stupid bot
[02:29] <ivan__> mmm thnx
[02:29] <ubotu> stupid rob^
[02:29] <ivan__> i think
[02:29] <ivan__> ill search something
[02:29] <mike998> sorry man
[02:29] <flodine> is there a way to change the icons in gaim help the newbie
[02:30] <XRayNuke> flodine: you mean the :) :( :P icons?
[02:30] <RedDevil> Determinist: you must have the kernel compiled with NTFS support, or if you do not want to compile the kernel you can install a package that allows you to do that...
[02:30] <jtaylor> hmm... I bought a cheap little ata controller but when I add it, ubuntu doesnt start.  It loads grub, but then says it cant map the hd or something.  I left all the cables etc as is, just added the card.  Any ideas?
[02:30] <lcdd> oh yeah, why doesn't d-i handle ntfs partitions so that you could set a mount point during the installation?
[02:30] <kamstrumental> KRayNuke: stupid question... how do I tell which disk it boots from?
[02:30] <someluser> can anyone fix a broken nvidia driver and tell me why GL games freeze my system?
[02:31] <cptanalatriste> hi there...!
[02:31] <Burgundavia> !sources
[02:31] <ubotu> I heard sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:31] <mike998> Where is my xdefaults under xorg?
[02:31] <XRayNuke> kamstrumental: check your BIOS settings. It's probably configured to start from the first hard drive it sees, which is usually the master drive on the first ATA bus in your machine.
[02:32] <mike998> ohhh baby
[02:32] <mike998> don't worry - I found it
[02:32] <mike998> Determinist: you still here?
[02:32] <XRayNuke> kamstrumental: since you can't get into windows, it's probably booting from whatever disk you installed ubuntu on
[02:32] <dwstil> where can i find a printable document on connecting to the internet via modem on the wiki?
[02:32] <kamstrumental> KRayNuke: so the partition with linux on it is recognized as the master drive?
[02:32] <dwstil> i've searched everywhere and can't find anythign
[02:33] <Mr> I need to know ow to log in to the gui as root or give give a regular user admin privledges
[02:33] <nameless1> I NEED HELP can someone tell me how to fix this error Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[02:33] <Determinist> mike998, aye
[02:33] <XRayNuke> kamstrumental: on your system it must be
[02:33] <mike998> Determinist: yeahconsole is really cool
[02:33] <XRayNuke> kamstrumental: you're in Ubuntu now, right?
[02:33] <kamstrumental> yes
[02:33] <XRayNuke> kamstrumental: do you have a /boot/grub folder?
[02:33] <Determinist> mike998, too much eyecandy for me i think mate :)
[02:34] <mike998> ctrl+alt+y = instant console
[02:34] <mike998> it's hidden the rest of the time
[02:34] <someluser> Can anyone help me fix my broken nvidia driver and tell me why GL games freeze my system?
[02:34] <kamstrumental> XRayNuke: no grub folder in the boot folder
[02:36] <Determinist> hmmm , fdisk -l shows i have 2 windows partitions namely hda1 and hda2 but /dev/hda1 or /dev/hda2 do not exist , why would this happen?
[02:36] <XRayNuke> kamstrumental: sounds like your install procedure skipped over GRUB somehow. GRUB is the default Ubuntu bootloader, and can be configured to boot Windows or whatever. Usually the Ubuntu installer installs GRUB. On my system it found WinXP automatically and added it to the boot menu
[02:36] <Ahab> how can I remove a shortcut (I know I'm probably using the wrong terminology here) from the applications list in gnome?  I got rid of realplayer but it's still listed in applications -> sound & video?  I right clicked on it ala windows but the context menu didn't give me a delete option.
[02:36] <XRayNuke> !grub
[02:36] <ubotu> methinks grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[02:36] <nameless1> I NEED HELP can someone tell me how to fix this error Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[02:37] <Determinist> any idea why ubuntu isnt using grub 2?
[02:37] <Howitzer> does anybody know where to get the NV-CONTROL extenstion?
[02:37] <bonk> could someone please help? I can't sudo apt-get update, it "could not connect". I can ping the server fine, but apt-get can't establish contact
[02:37] <kamstrumental> XRayNuke: I must have went through installation and missed the option or someting.. can i boot from cd and load that option?
[02:37] <mike998> Ahab: check out the forums for SMEG it's a menu editing piece of software
[02:38] <XRayNuke> okay, that's not very helpful.
[02:38] <XRayNuke> kamstrumental: I'm not sure.
[02:38] <bonk> anyone know why?
[02:38] <someluser> nameless1: what videocard do you have and what is your xorg.conf file set to load as your driver?
[02:38] <Ahab> mike998, thanks
[02:38] <tdmg> hey there guys :D
[02:38] <kamstrumental> XRayNuke: brb, i'm going to try that... would'nt hurt to try i guess...
[02:38] <XRayNuke> kamstrumental: try booting from the ubuntu install CD, typing "expert"
[02:38] <harold> Hello family
[02:38] <tdmg> I'm having problems (as you might have expected)
[02:39] <lcdd> Howitzer: the nvidia binary driver provides it
[02:39] <Howitzer> oh
[02:39] <dwstil> is a package is already in debain it's already under ubuntu as well, right?
[02:39] <dwstil> *if a
[02:39] <XRayNuke> kamstrumental: at the boot prompt, and then scrolling down to the Install GRUB menu entry
[02:39] <tdmg> is there a line here, or should I just say what my problem is?
[02:39] <nameless1> someluser, i have a ati radeon x800pro  my xorg.conf is setup with the default stuff i got gl to work i think as i did some gl test with cogs but i cant get fgl or whatever its called to work and i need that for unreal2004
[02:39] <Howitzer> nvidia-kernel-common - NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
[02:39] <Howitzer> ?
[02:40] <tdmg> *waits for answer*
[02:40] <someluser> nameless1: tell me what the driver is set to in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[02:40] <Harold> Ho Seveas
[02:40] <nameless1> someluser, glxgears works but the fglxgears does not work
[02:40] <nameless1> someluser, what part of the xorg will it be in
[02:41] <someluser> nameless1: it will be labeled as your graphics card, usually towards the middle of the file
[02:41] <nameless1> Section "Device"
[02:41] <nameless1> 	Identifier	"ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon X800 Pro (R420 JI)"
[02:41] <nameless1> 	Driver		"fglrx"
[02:41] <nameless1> 	BusID		"PCI:2:0:0"
[02:41] <nameless1> EndSection
[02:41] <Harold> nalioth, As soon as I show up, you decide to stop working, huh?
[02:41] <nameless1> someluser,  is that what you meant?
[02:42] <jtaylor> I add an ATA card to my system.  When it boots grub, the linux kernel sees my onboard ide card AFTER the new ATA card causing my HD to show up as hde instead of hda which of course causes init to hang as it cannot find the root partition on hda.  Any ideas how to fix this?
[02:42] <someluser> nameless1: don't paste
[02:42] <Howitzer> BTW
[02:42] <Howitzer> i have a weird problem
[02:42] <someluser> nameless1:  but yes
[02:42] <Harold> nalioth, Did I seem pissy the other day?
[02:42] <Howitzer> i cannot use openGL
[02:42] <Howitzer> it says i don't have openGL
[02:42] <nameless1> someluser,  do you know how to fix it?
[02:42] <Howitzer> but that's bull****
[02:42] <someluser> nameless1: hold on
[02:42] <dwstil> i can install from source files if i don't have the internet in a terminal right?
[02:43] <Howitzer> dwstil,
[02:43] <nalioth> Harold: pissy?
[02:43] <Harold> nalioth, Seveas I finally got my wireless card working, and it looks like I'm sticking with Ubuntu.
[02:43] <tdmg> guys, everything freezes up when I start X.  I'll log in, and within the first 5 minutes it will freeze.  It doesn't seem to be related to any program or anything. I might just go to the bathroom and I'll come back and it's frozes
[02:43] <Harold> nalioth, I was frustrated, trying to get this wireless card going.
[02:43] <Howitzer> if you have a connection in a winow manager you MUST have a connection in your terminal
[02:43] <frank> tdmg: are you using a athlon64?
[02:43] <tdmg> yes
[02:43] <Harold> nalioth, Looks like madwifi worked on this old Mac.
[02:43] <Howitzer> problem found? :D
[02:43] <someluser> nameless1: read this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557
[02:44] <XRayNuke> jtaylor: take out the ATA card, change your grub settings to account for the ordering change, shut down, put the card back in, reboot.
[02:44] <tdmg> I have the AMD64 version though
[02:44] <nalioth> Harold: i saw no problems
[02:44] <frank> tdmg: maybe you have the same powernowd fuck as I have
[02:44] <Howitzer> adrian@ubuntu:~$ nvidia-settings
[02:44] <Howitzer> ERROR: NV-CONTROL extension not found on this Display.
[02:44] <Howitzer> i installed everything
[02:44] <tdmg> frank, what does that mean for me?
[02:44] <Harold> nalioth, Pissy/pissed off/frustrated/impatient
[02:44] <frank> tdmg: this problem can happen in both amd64 and i386 versions
[02:44] <XRayNuke> jtaylor: there's an argument to the grub statement that starts the Linux kernel that tells it what disk and partition to use for root
[02:44] <Harold> nalioth, Now: Happy/happy/joy/joy
[02:44] <jtaylor> XRayNuke, that sux though since I have a lot of software raid settings that depends on hda, etc
[02:44] <someluser> nameless1: g2g
[02:44] <nameless1> someluser, k ill try that... i doubt it will fix it tho i already tried alot of this stuff brb
[02:45] <Harold> XRayNuke, When's that game of Quake?
[02:45] <nameless1> someluser, k thanx for your help, bye
[02:45] <someluser> nameless1: later
[02:45] <Harold> XRayNuke, Or Marathon?
[02:45] <tdmg> ummmm....what's a powernowd anyway?
[02:45] <frank> tdmg: try   sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/powernowd  to disable powernowd and reboot
[02:45] <tdmg> okay, thanks! :D
[02:45] <XRayNuke> Harold: not today sorry, i'm leaving for San Diego and Comiccon in a few hours :-/
[02:45] <nalioth> Harold: great to hear
[02:45] <tdmg> I'll see how it goes
[02:45] <tdmg> what is a powernowd though? will I be limiting myself?
[02:46] <Harold> XRayNuke, Not today; I'm not prepared either.  Have fun at Comicon.  Say hello to Starbuck for me.  (Or Apollo; whoever it is who's always there.)
[02:46] <Harold> nalioth, You've been an outstanding help.
[02:46] <Harold> Seveas, Thank you for your help with getting my Ubuntu installation up and running, too.
[02:46] <frank> tdmg: It slows down the cpu when you are not using it so disableing only runs it at full speed all the time
[02:46] <Madpilot> hi all.
[02:47] <hajiki> hola
[02:47] <tdmg> Frank, thanks again, I'll update you in a bit :)
[02:47] <Harold> nalioth, So I'm using dillo - I believe you mentioned it to me - and I've also got Kazehakase installed, though I believe it takes took much of my 64MB RAM.
[02:48] <XRayNuke> jtaylor: sorry, if there's a deeper solution, i haven't been using GRUB long enough to know it. I can tell you that reordering drives in your BIOS won't do anything because once Linux boots it ignores all the BIOS settings.
[02:48] <sperm> MD5Sum mismatch
[02:48] <sperm> anyone know how to fix that shit
[02:48] <nalioth> sperm: yes i do
[02:48] <nalioth> !good bot
[02:48] <ubotu> thanks nalioth :)
[02:48] <nalioth> !usrepos
[02:48] <ubotu> I heard usrepos is if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:48] <nalioth> sperm: ^^^^^
[02:48] <Madpilot> so what happened this morning, anyway? I left IRC running, and got back from work just now to find some huge flood had happened & then I'd been cut off...
[02:48] <DarkSpy> can't install kdelibs4-dev because it asks for kde 3.4.0 and I've got 3.4.1 version.. shouldn't there be a package for 3.4.1?
[02:49] <Harold> !sperm
[02:49] <ubotu> Harold: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:49] <Harold> ubotu, Some of the ladies believe so.
[02:49] <ubotu> Harold: Wish i knew
[02:49] <Harold> ubotu, Would you really?
[02:49] <ubotu> Harold: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:49] <frank> what ??? lol
[02:49] <hondje> lol
[02:49] <Madpilot> Harold: stop teasing the poor bot...
[02:49] <Madpilot> :)
[02:49] <Harold> Madpilot, That's a bot?
[02:50] <Harold> Madpilot, A clownbot
[02:50] <Madpilot> Harold: u-BOT-u.
[02:50] <hondje> no, it's a real person
[02:50] <hondje> he was injured in a tragic snowboarding accident
[02:50] <Harold> Madpilot, J/K, I know.  Didn't know that's how the name was formed, though.
[02:50] <Madpilot> is there some list of all of ubotu's ! commands somewhere?
[02:50] <hondje> now he sits on IRC and slams speed, staying awake 24/7 to answer questions
[02:50] <hajiki> !ati
[02:50] <ubotu> hmm... ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:50] <Harold> Madpilot, Good question.
[02:50] <Harold> !Madpilot
[02:50] <ubotu> Harold: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[02:51] <Madpilot> Harold: apparently entering names or nicks is one of the verboten things...
[02:51] <Harold> Madpilot, What is "verboten"?
[02:51] <nalioth> yes, verboten
[02:51] <nalioth> Harold: german for "not allowed"
[02:51] <Harold> !verboten
[02:51] <ubotu> Harold: No idea
[02:51] <hondje> forbidden :)
[02:51] <Madpilot> Harold: probably mis-spelled german...
[02:52] <frank> where can we see the ubotu commands?
[02:52] <hondje> all german is misspelled
[02:52] <gm78> Hey all. I just uninstalled proftpd but it says it is started from inetd, and the server is still running, how do i shut off the server, and if i leave it installed, how do i prevent it from loading at boot time
[02:52] <tanki> what's the german word for http://www.math.vt.edu/people/jbwillia/computer.gif
[02:52] <gm78> ?
[02:52] <hondje> that's why I can't read it
[02:52] <Harold> nalioth, Ah, I had a feeling it was "forbidden" or something.  (That's what it *sounds* like.)
[02:52] <Harold> hondje, LOL
[02:52] <Harold> hondje, And English is a Germanic language, did you know that?
[02:52] <hondje> Yes, I know the germans stole our fine language
[02:52] <hondje> :)
[02:53] <zoofields> it's all proto-IndoEuropean
[02:53] <flugh> gm78: try 'update-rc.d -f proftpd remove' at the command line to remove all startup links for proftpd
[02:54] <Harold> hondje, Actually, we derived it from the Germanic languages...*or some the Germans would have us believe*...:)
[02:54] <flugh> gm78: 'man update-rc.d' to see info on the command
[02:54] <hondje> I know better than to believe an obvious troll like that
[02:54] <Harold> hondje, Huh?
[02:54] <hondje> we made it, then the english took it, then the dutch, and then the germans
[02:54] <tanki> so what, everyone ripped off the greeks
[02:55] <hondje> yeah, poor greeks
[02:55] <hondje> they got a bum deal
[02:55] <Madpilot> fine language? English, to misquote someone else, doesn't borrow words from other languages. It chases them down alleyways and mugs them for words...
[02:55] <Harold> hondje, Who do you mean "we"?
[02:55] <nalioth> Harold: may i point you toward a software that will introduce you to software compiling
[02:55] <flugh> i knew a chic who was into that greek stuff
[02:55] <hondje> the royal we to mean americans
[02:55] <Harold> Madpilot, I understand English is one of the most difficult languages to learn.
[02:55] <Harold> nalioth, Trying to get rid of me, huh nalioth?
[02:55] <gm78> flugh, alright, thx...ill try that in a minute
[02:55] <hondje> like, the italians wouldn't even HAVE pasta if napoleon didn't take it from the greeks and give the secret recipe to them
[02:55] <Harold> nalioth, Absolutely
[02:56] <nalioth> Harold: not at all, just some simple lessons
[02:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth ,hi ^_^
[02:56] <Phinite> I'm configuring my wifi with wpa and everything looks great... but I'm not getting an ip.  what can I look at to see why... ie, is my key wrong, etc...
[02:56] <nalioth> Harold: and a BIG benefit to you
[02:56] <frank> hondje: ???  of course!
[02:56] <Phinite> just seeing that nothing is returning is useless
[02:56] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: howdy
[02:56] <hondje> :)
[02:56] <Harold> Anyone: Know how to properly configure dillo?  So I don't have to login as root in order to run it?
[02:56] <Harold> ChurcH_of_FoamY, Hello again
[02:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hi ^_^
[02:57] <Harold> nalioth, I'd *love* to learn some more.
[02:57] <ny3ranger> ok how do i log onto root in graphical mode
[02:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kinda took a nap on the keyboard >.<
[02:57] <Quest-Master> Wow
[02:57] <tanki> ChurcH_of_FoamY, i did that once my screen filled up with zz's
[02:57] <ny3ranger> and i dont think i set up a password for it
[02:57] <Quest-Master> I could never possibly do that
[02:57] <ny3ranger> is there a default?
[02:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol ^_^
[02:57] <mbirkis> ny3ranger: you don't wanna do that...
[02:57] <Quest-Master> I can't sleep unless I'm in a sleeping/sitting position not doing anything lol
[02:57] <hondje> ny3ranger: that's not a good idea
[02:57] <ny3ranger> no i just installed it
[02:57] <tanki> Quest-Master, can you type with your eye's closed
[02:57] <mbirkis> ny3ranger: in ubuntu the root account is disabled by default
[02:58] <tanki> if you can, it's easy to fall asleep at the keyboard
[02:58] <Quest-Master> tanki: Sadly, yes
[02:58] <ny3ranger> how do i enable it
[02:58] <ny3ranger> cause i want to install software
[02:58] <ny3ranger> how do i install it if root is disablede
[02:58] <DekaPink> Is it okay to install Firefox 1.05 from the file at their site? :3
[02:58] <tanki> Quest-Master, :)
[02:58] <nalioth> ny3ranger: logging in as root to your graphical environment can cause some serious account access problems on your user accounts
[02:58] <Phinite> ny3ranger: juse use sudo
[02:58] <flugh> ny3ranger: use sudo
[02:58] <socomm> Hello, I typing this with my eyes closed.
[02:58] <tanki> haha
[02:58] <socomm> Doh!
[02:58] <shray> I demand remuneration
[02:58] <flugh> ny3ranger, when prompted for a password, type your password
[02:58] <shray> My ubuntu didn't make me happy
[02:58] <ny3ranger> what sudo?
[02:58] <flugh> ny3ranger, or, do a 'sudo -s' to get a root shell
[02:58] <tanki> socomm, http://www.math.vt.edu/people/jbwillia/computer.gif
[02:58] <ny3ranger> whats sudo?
[02:58] <hondje> !sudo
[02:58] <ubotu> from memory, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:58] <Phinite> socomm: we are typing back that way... I'm still not asleep though, mind you it's getting comfotable this way
[02:58] <hondje> read that, ny3ranger
[02:59] <tanki> socomm, it best expresses my feeling today battling with iptables
[02:59] <shray> !rm -rf /
[02:59] <ubotu> shray: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[02:59] <shray> wtf
[02:59] <Phinite> heh
[02:59] <Quest-Master> w
[02:59] <kamstrumental> is nuke still here?
[02:59] <socomm> tanki: Haha.
[02:59] <tanki> socomm, do you happen to play socom for ps2?
[03:00] <socomm> tanki: No.
[03:00] <flugh> i have socom on my ps2. i suck at it
[03:00] <tanki> I prefer xbox live
[03:00] <tanki> my head is too big for the ps2 headset lol
[03:00] <shray> if you really want to run X as root.. do sudo startx
[03:00] <hondje> lol
[03:01] <shray> hey how come they dont make ubuntu come with fluxbox
[03:01] <shray> I want fubuntu damnit!!
[03:01] <hondje> because no one likes fluxbox
[03:01] <shray> fubuntu <3
[03:01] <hondje> distrowatch confirms it, *box is dying
[03:01] <tanki> Does anyone know when breezy goes stable if they will keep the name?
[03:01] <flugh> i'm gonna make a howard stern theme and call it 'boobuntu'
[03:01] <socomm> I got an xbox last week just to mod it, and turn it into media thingamajig.
[03:01] <shray> HEY
[03:01] <shray> PEOPLE
[03:01] <shray> IM DYING
[03:01] <shray> help!
[03:02] <shray> the last of the aryan race
[03:02] <shray> save me I'm extinct
[03:02] <hondje> Poor shray :(
[03:02] <shray> isnt that what ubuntu's all about ?? :(
[03:02] <rainingzigzags> whats a good irc server to run under linux?
[03:02] <tanki> quick, someone give shray 10 mg of caffeine, stat!
[03:02] <tanki> and a porno
[03:02] <tanki> we have a geek in need
[03:02] <tanki> i repeat a geek in need
[03:02] <socomm> tanki: An upper and a downer.
[03:02] <tanki> socomm, haha
[03:02] <XRayNuke> rainingzigzags: unrealircd
[03:02] <shray>     * Send this page to somebody
[03:02] <shray> "Ubuntu" is an ancient African word, meaning "humanity to others". Ubuntu also means "I am what I am because of who we all are". The Ubuntu Linux distribution brings the spirit of Ubuntu to the software world.
[03:02] <shray> wtf GIMME!!
[03:02] <shray> I want that!
[03:03] <rainingzigzags> xraynuke, ty
[03:03] <shray> I AM THE SPIRIT OF UBUNTU
[03:03] <tanki> shray, come to #ubuntu-offtopic, i'll give you a link to a girl's butt
[03:03] <ubuntuguide> rocks!
[03:03] <phos> haha
[03:03] <Burgundavia> let keep it on topic here, ok?
[03:03] <tbite> hi. can anyone help me? i accidentally did something to the "system tray" in the top right corner of the screen, and now i cant see icons such as gaim on there any more, even though its still running if i close the contact list window cause i can hear noises coming from it.
[03:04] <tbite> no other icons show in the system tray any more either
[03:04] <tbite> all ive got now in the top right is just the date/time and the volume control
[03:04] <shray> hey wtf
[03:04] <shray> my penis is hard
[03:04] <tanki> hehe
[03:04] <wolki> tbite, right-click on the panel and add a notification area
[03:04] <tanki> shhh
[03:05] <socomm> Hmmm, anyone working on getting porn-get to work under Ubuntu?
[03:05] <tbite> yay, thanks wolki
[03:05] <hondje> socomm: I gave it a shot
[03:05] <wolki> socomm, isn't porn-get broken anyway?
[03:05] <hondje> its so dated it wasn't worth the work
[03:05] <Burgundavia> socomm, please take it elsewhere
[03:06] <socomm> Burgundavia: It was joke, get over yourself.
[03:06] <hondje> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what did you end up using for cad stuff?
[03:06] <shray> MY PENIS IS HARD!!
[03:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> qcad
[03:06] <Burgundavia> socomm, that didn't come through in irc, and some might not understand
[03:06] <rainingzigzags> i just downloaded unrealircd and it is a tar.gz file... how do i install those kind of files??? i am new to linux
[03:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> gross
[03:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> now i need to edit some adobie documents
[03:07] <socomm> Burgundavia: I dont care.
[03:07] <Burgundavia> socomm, please read the ubuntu code of conduct again
[03:07] <wolki> rainingzigzags, installing from a tar.gz can be a bit complicated
[03:07] <tanki> ChurcH_of_FoamY, are you really building a clock?
[03:08] <harris|u> Can someone point me to some reading on installing different GNOME themes?
[03:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes it will be made completely outta wood when i'm done
[03:08] <wolki> rainingzigzags, usually these packages are the pure source code. where did you get the package?
[03:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it will be an all wood grandfather clock
[03:08] <tanki> nice, i suck at woodwork
[03:08] <Burgundavia> harris|u, just drag the theme to the theme installer
[03:08] <Burgundavia> harris|u, can be downloaded at art.gnome.org or gnome-looks.org
[03:08] <tanki> you have to have too much patience
[03:08] <rainingzigzags> wolki, from undrealircd.com
[03:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> even the movement, which will be wight driven will be of wood
[03:08] <socomm> Burgundavia: I get lost.
[03:08] <harris|u> Burgundavia: thanks
[03:08] <tanki> i usually get fustrated and set it on fire at some point
[03:09] <Burgundavia> socomm, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[03:09] <wolki> rainingzigzags, a moment please, i'll take a look at it
[03:09] <XRayNuke> hmm, there's a dancer-ircd in the package system
[03:09] <rainingzigzags> wolki, ok
[03:09] <XRayNuke> i only recommended unrealircd because we use it here
[03:10] <hondje> ChurcH_of_FoamY: they're not very easy :)
[03:10] <socomm> Burgundavia: Again, I dont care about this stuff. If someone lacks a sense of homour, thats their problem not mine.
[03:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hondje what the the program?
[03:10] <Burgundavia> socomm, if you cannot follow the ubuntu code of conduct, do not be in #ubuntu. It is that clear
[03:11] <hondje> ChurcH_of_FoamY: if you know fortran I can dig it up :)
[03:11] <malakhi> socomm: this is the official Ubuntu room. If you don't like the rules, leave.
[03:11] <socomm> Ban me if you like.
[03:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> socomm is it really nessisary for you to be such a bumbling idiot cause if so please go away
[03:11] <cafuego> socomm: Seems like that's what _you_ like.
[03:11] <hondje> isn't this 'with us or against us' attitude go against the humanity thing?
[03:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hondje no i never had used it before
[03:12] <cafuego> hondje: maybe after the revolution comes
[03:12] <socomm> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Nice spelling.
[03:12] <tanki> ChurcH_of_FoamY, those grandfather ones always freaked me out a little especially the ones where a wooden bird comes flying out at 12
[03:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> socomm and your point
[03:12] <wolki> rainingzigzags, ok, you'll have to compile it yourself. this is usually not difficult, but takes a little work since you'll have to install some developer packages
[03:12] <Madpilot> hondje: there's an exception for idiots, isn't there?
[03:12] <tanki> ChurcH_of_FoamY, i think because my grandma told me it was a real bird once, and i felt sorry that it had to live inside a clock
[03:12] <harris|u> Burgundavia: The Theme Manger says the .theme file I have downloaded is the wrong format. .theme is the extension, correct?
[03:12] <cafuego> socomm: if you want to be banned, just ask for it, don't troll for half an hour first.
[03:12] <hondje> I woudln't think so
[03:12] <rainingzigzags> wolki, can u pm me and walk me through it? i've never compiled anything before
[03:12] <comadreja> how do I change my keyboard's language ?
[03:13] <wolki> rainingzigzags, first open synaptic (you'll need it)
[03:13] <wolki> ok
[03:13] <qt2> anyone know much about samba?
[03:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> tanki yea i know this one won't have the little bird thats proprietary to black forest cuckoo clocks
[03:13] <socomm> cafuego: I am not trolling, all I did was make a joke.
[03:13] <hondje> "I am what I am because of who we all are"
[03:13] <tanki> ChurcH_of_FoamY, what does that mean, if you build one with a bird, you get sued?
[03:13] <socomm> If you cant take a simple joke its not my fault.
[03:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> tanki i just read ip lol thats awsome
[03:13] <hondje> So we should all take full blame for all this unkubaya feeling
[03:14] <qt2> i'm trying to set up a windows file and printer sharing style network with two ubuntu boxes.
[03:14] <tanki> haha make a star wars clock and sell it, then george lukeas will have some lawyers at your door the next day
[03:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> tanki no just taht if you make one it's a copy cat thing don't think theres legal isshues though
[03:14] <hondje> and then you'd get slashdotted
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> ChurcH_of_FoamY: ,... no that's legal issues
[03:14] <Mr> will someone please help me
[03:14] <cafuego> Mr: with what?
[03:14] <socomm> Mr: Just ask.
[03:15] <Mr> i need to copy a file from my windows partition but it tells me i dont have permission
[03:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> HrdwrBoB well just in case i'm not putting a birdie in the clock anyways lol
[03:15] <nalioth> mr  are you watching me?
[03:15] <Mr> i tried to log in as rott ut i cant
[03:15] <nalioth> mr i can help you
[03:15] <Mr> root
[03:16] <tdmg> hey guys, I'm having problems getting use to using Linux/Ubuntu, is there anyone out there willing to work with a newbie? :D
[03:16] <Mr> please
[03:16] <cafuego> Mr: You can copy it using sudo, or you can mount the windows partition with the 'umask=000' option.
[03:16] <nalioth> mr watch nalioths_dog
[03:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it will be kinda spookie though i'm tinkering with an 18th century gothic theme that i saw once
[03:16] <nalioths_dog> Mr: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[03:16] <cafuego> Mr: ie: sudo cp /mnt/windows/foo/bar/file.txt ~user/Desktop
[03:16] <nalioth> mr nalioths_dog has sent you some instructions above
[03:16] <Mr> cp is the terminal copy command?
[03:17] <nalioth> cafuego: let him use the script
[03:17] <cafuego> Mr: yes
[03:17] <Mr> ok
[03:17] <Roturgo> to log in as root, set a password first by running sudo passwd...then you can su to root with your new password
[03:17] <Mr> there is no way that i can log in as root?
[03:17] <rob^> !root
[03:17] <ubotu> methinks root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:17] <ubuntuguide> tdmg: what sort of problems?
[03:17] <Mr> in the gui
[03:17] <cafuego> Roturgo: No, it is far better to realise you don't need to log in as root at all.
[03:17] <Mr> ok
[03:17] <Roturgo> indeed, I never do, but he wanted to know how so I told him
[03:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's my first project though so i have no idea how it will actually turn out....it's for my grandparents 80th annivirsary
[03:17] <nalioth> mr if you use the script nalioths_dog sent you, you won't need root
[03:17] <Burgundavia> Mr, read the wiki page, it explains a lot
[03:17] <Mr> thanl you all
[03:18] <XRayNuke> !msfonts
[03:18] <ubotu> XRayNuke: I give up, what is it?
[03:18] <rob^> !msttcorefonts
[03:18] <ubotu> rumour has it, msttcorefonts is apt-get install msttcorefonts - you'll need universe enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list first.
[03:18] <nalioth> !msttcorefonts
[03:18] <cafuego> msttcorefonts
[03:18] <XRayNuke> thanks guys :)
[03:18] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: welcome back
[03:18] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: thanx
[03:18] <tdmg> ubuntuguide, I PMed you...........
[03:18] <Madpilot> ubotu msfonts is apt-get install msttcorefonts - you'll need universe enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list first.
[03:18] <ubotu> okay, Madpilot
[03:18] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: long time man.
[03:18] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: how was your vacation?
[03:19] <Madpilot> there, now both versions work. msfonts is easier to remember!
[03:19] <Mr> I have a non ubuntu problem then:  I want to run CollegeLinux but the bootloder installs to hda which is my cdrom drive for some reason does anyone know a way t ochange this?
[03:19] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: i msged you
[03:20] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: are you registered?
[03:21] <cafuego> nalioth: he is not.
[03:21] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: i am wearing a shield, check your server window
[03:21] <nalioth> cafuego: thx
[03:21] <zenlunatic> there is this little verticle bar in the top panel of gnome. does anyone know what it is or how to get rid of it?
[03:22] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: i need to register
[03:22] <hondje> zenlunatic: right click on it?
[03:22] <Burgundavia> zenlunatic, by the sound?
[03:22] <cafuego> nalioth: freenode + irssi can make regietered/unregister users hilight different.
[03:22] <cafuego> ly
[03:22] <flodine> anyone running E17
[03:22] <nalioth> cafuego: hows that?
[03:22] <zenlunatic> oh nm i removed it. i think it was a seperator.
[03:22] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: ill brb
[03:22] <XRayNuke> zenlunatic: I think that marks the edge of the GNOME system tray
[03:22] <qt2> ugh, could someone point me to a good ubuntu file and printer sharing guide?
[03:22] <comadreja> how do I change my keyboard's language in gnome ?
[03:22] <rob^> !samba
[03:23] <ubotu> well, samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[03:23] <Burgundavia> zenlunatic, there is the notification area (sys tray to others)
[03:23] <rob^> gt2 what ubotu said
[03:23] <nalioth> cafuego: can you point me to a URL on how to enable "registerd vs feral"?
[03:23] <rob^> qt2 what ubotu said
[03:23] <cafuego> nalioth: freenode can send an extra char with registered users, which an irssi script can reinterpret as colour. I see registered users as green, unregistered as red.
[03:23] <Burgundavia> zenlunatic, it is marked by a vertical bar made up of horizontal lines
[03:23] <cafuego> nalioth: Sure, just a moment.
[03:23] <zenlunatic> Burgundavia: yes
[03:23] <qt2> ubotu, rob^, thanks... :)
[03:23] <ubotu> qt2: No idea
[03:24] <Madpilot> nalioth: msg NickServ
[03:24] <Ensiferum> hello. doesn anyone know why emacs is not obeying .emacs settings. as if something was overriding those settings?
[03:24] <Ensiferum> driving me insane
[03:24] <Madpilot> nalioth: then ask for help
[03:24] <cafuego> nalioth: /QUOTE capab identify-msg
[03:25] <cafuego> nalioth: I use a script called 'format_identify.pl' to handle the colouring.
[03:25] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: did you get my msg now?
[03:26] <cafuego> nalioth: http://web.archive.org/web/20040604065734/http://svn.ben.reser.org/format_identify/releases/current/format_identify.pl
[03:27] <cafuego> Can Xorg use OTF fonts?
[03:28] <qt2> how strange.... apparently there's supposed to be more settings than there are... >.>
[03:28] <nalioth> cafuego: thx
[03:29] <zenlunatic> how do i get more package selection without using ubuntu guide?
[03:29] <nalioth> cafuego: is that extra character a "+" before each sentence?
[03:29] <cafuego> nalioth: Yep.
[03:30] <cafuego> nalioth: Via the script (url I pasted) you can reformat that with colour codes.
[03:30] <kUser> theres any way to change in ubuntu the aspect of qt aplications as Konversation, to select a littler font for example?
[03:31] <cafuego> I have /set format_identified_nick "%G$0" and /set format_unidentified_nick "%R$0"
[03:31] <IIIEars> Hello "Ubuntu"ans
[03:32] <Madpilot> hi IIIEars
[03:32] <IIIEars> Hi Madpilot! :)
[03:33] <Sheng> hello.
[03:34] <Sheng> i'm going to install ubuntu on my 15gb free partition
[03:34] <Sheng> does anyone konw how ot set the boot installer so that windows automatically loads XP, unless you choose linux?
[03:34] <Jet2k5> hey guys would installing 32-bit on 64-bit processor a good thing?
[03:34] <IIIEars> found a nice app in GNU Backgammon. - worth a try if you play.
[03:34] <Madpilot> !sources
[03:34] <ubotu> well, sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:34] <Madpilot> zenlunatic: check what ubotu just said
[03:34] <Sheng> is this made in africa?
[03:36] <IIIEars> !ubuntu
[03:36] <ubotu> it has been said that ubuntu is an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'.
[03:36] <cafuego> Sheng: nah
[03:36] <rics> hello
[03:36] <Discipulus> !ubuntuguide
[03:36] <ubotu> methinks ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[03:36] <nalioth> cafuego: was that script meant for any version of irssi?
[03:36] <rics> I need help configuring GRUB
[03:36] <tiglionabbit> !newusers
[03:36] <ubotu> [newusers]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUbuntuUsers
[03:36] <Discipulus> can someone add that to the topic?
[03:36] <rics> How can I change the default system to boot in GRUB?
[03:37] <cafuego> nalioth: I'm running 0.8.6+cvs.20031114-1 (irssi-snapshot on sarge)
[03:37] <IIIEars> cafuego - Your bot is an info gold mine. - grin
[03:37] <tiglionabbit> rics: yes you can.  Find the line that tarts with "Default" in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:37] <tiglionabbit> *starts
[03:37] <nalioth> cafuego: hmmm when i loaded it, it threw an error at line 49 (which is commented out)
[03:37] <tiglionabbit> doh, I always read the questions as "can I" instead of "how can I"
[03:37] <nalioth> cafuego: and it didnt load
[03:38] <cafuego> nalioth: Peculiar, let me download it
[03:39] <someluser> Can anyone help me troubleshoot my nvidia card?
[03:40] <cafuego> nalioth: That version is identical to mine, which loads OK. What irssi version are you running?
[03:41] <stan-am> hello everyone
[03:41] <Sheng> i'm going to dual boot ubuntu and xp on my system
[03:41] <Sheng> is there anything i need to know about this prior to installation?
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB> install XP first
[03:41] <Sheng> it is
[03:41] <abarbaccia> hey guys - i'm having a lot of trouble installing transcode and a few other libraries - anybody know what to do (libc6 depency problems)
[03:41] <stan-am> can anyone give me a hand installing Suns bin installer ????
[03:41] <jsgotangco> and backup your data
[03:41] <Sheng> and i want a simple boot chooser
[03:41] <cafuego> Sheng: Nope, it's pretty much automagical provided you install XP first.
[03:41] <Sheng> text only
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB> Sheng: ubuntu will provide boot menu automatially
[03:42] <Sheng> and i want it to go into xp automatically
[03:42] <rics> tiglionabbit, after I made the changes I need to run anything?
[03:42] <Sheng> because my mom gets confused using it
[03:42] <cafuego> Sheng: And changing the default on the boot menu is trivial.
[03:42] <Sheng> ok
[03:42] <Sheng> thanks
[03:42] <abarbaccia> Sheng, editing one line of one file will do it
[03:42] <Sheng> also, is there a way to get my wifi card to work automatically
[03:42] <cafuego> Sheng: You can either move the windows ebtry to the top or set it to boot entry 3 by default.
[03:42] <tiglionabbit> rics: you could run "update-grub" to check the file for problems
[03:42] <XRayNuke> Sheng: depends on your WiFi card obviously
[03:42] <stan-am>  can anyone give me a hand installing Suns bin installer ????
[03:42] <Sheng> it says to compile it
[03:42] <Sheng> i have the driver
[03:42] <adme> i hosed my system a bit and accidentally removed xbase-clients - now thru apt-get it says it has unmet depends...
[03:42] <Sheng> rt2500
[03:42] <IIIEars> Sheng - know a little about vi text editor if your grub  menu.lst shuld need adjustment
[03:43] <Sheng> but it gives you instructions to compile it and that's hard
[03:43] <adme> yet those depends are not found
[03:43] <stan-am>  can anyone give me a hand installing Suns bin installer ????
[03:43] <cafuego> !info rt2500
[03:43] <Nasky> hi i'm french and i'm using Ubuntu for 2 days. But i have a little "problem" with Fluxbox. Should I use this channel ?
[03:43] <adme> xhost, xrandr, xsetpointer, etc
[03:43] <hondje> Nasky: as long as you speak english, this is the place
[03:43] <cafuego> !find rt2500
[03:43] <Nasky> thx :)
[03:43] <frank> Nasky: If you help in french there is #ubuntu-fr
[03:44] <Nasky> frank, ye i know but i wanna improve my english :p
[03:44] <Sheng> RT2500STA-Linux-1.3.0.1.tar.gz
[03:44] <Sheng> this is the file i have
[03:44] <cafuego> Sheng: I'm looking for a prepackaged one.
[03:44] <Sheng> ok, thank you
[03:44] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'rt2500' returned no results.
[03:45] <tanki> does cafuego mean coffee on fire
[03:45] <Howitzer> Is there a way to completely shutdown X?
[03:45] <Fughidabowit> hello everyone - i have a quick install question
[03:45] <tfort> ctrl-alt-backspace
[03:45] <zenlunatic> Madpilot, why are those sources enabled by default?
[03:45] <Howitzer> tfort, no
[03:46] <rainingzigzags> has anyone had experense running unrealircd?
[03:46] <johnnybezak> if i view my site from the local machine (where the webserver is) then it shows up fine, but if I view my site from any other machine the css doesnt work. Can you guys think why this would be? Because a page of unformatted text isnt that nice :P
[03:46] <Howitzer> ctrl-alt-bckspace shuts down and restarts
[03:46] <tfort> Howitzer, you just want everything in terminal mode?
[03:46] <Howitzer> yes
[03:46] <Sheng> ok
[03:46] <Fughidabowit> ive got the 5.04 distro - burned it to a cd and popped it in on restart..the Ubuntu window pops up (allowing me to start the installer) but when i hit Enter the screen just goes black and stay like that
[03:46] <tfort> Howitzer, really? that's lame, i just installed ubuntu from gentoo yesterday
[03:46] <rics> thanks tiglionabbit!
[03:46] <Howitzer> there must be a way though
[03:46] <zenlunatic> Is there an option to not use non-free software on ubuntu like there is on Debian?
[03:46] <Howitzer> i need as much resources i need
[03:46] <abarbaccia> Fughidabowit, hit F2 and run it with a fb mode
[03:46] <Sheng> brb
[03:47] <Howitzer> 128MB RAM sucks :(
[03:47] <Sheng> if you find the package, please pm it to me
[03:47] <abarbaccia> Fughidabowit, i think its like fb(resolution number)
[03:47] <tfort> Howitzer, switch to openbox, you will lose less than 1% to the WM
[03:47] <Nasky> actually, it's not really a problem. I installed Eterm and Aterm. They have automatically been added to fluxbox menu. But when I edit .fluxbox/menu, I can't see Eterm and Aterm. It's weird, ain't it ?
[03:47] <Howitzer> openbox?
[03:47] <tfort> yea
[03:47] <Howitzer> like fluxbox, etc?
[03:47] <adme> or fluxbox
[03:47] <tfort> well
[03:47] <tfort> fluxox is horribly  buggy
[03:47] <Howitzer> indeed
[03:47] <tfort> and very unstable, at least with everything i used it for
[03:47] <Howitzer> i lways get NULL menu' :(
[03:47] <tfort> openbox is very minimum
[03:48] <tfort> you could also use.. um.. i forgot what it was called but i think its GVM?
[03:48] <tfort> or something to that nature, but setting it up is a headache in itself
[03:48] <Howitzer> fwvm?
[03:48] <tfort> however, openbox is rather nice
[03:48] <tfort> yea, that'ws that iw as thinking of
[03:48] <IIIEars> How much less resource hungry s xfce4?
[03:48] <tiglionabbit> Howitzer: it should just kill X and start it again, withouch doing a hardware restart
[03:48] <tiglionabbit> *without
[03:48] <Fughidabowit> anyone have any ideas whats going on?
[03:48] <tfort> IIIEars, xfce4 is more than openbox, but far less than gnome or kde
[03:48] <Howitzer> tiglionabbit, that's what i ment
[03:49] <Howitzer> Need to get 197kB of archives.
[03:49] <Howitzer> After unpacking 938kB of additional disk space will be used.
[03:49] <tfort> right now i'm on gnome just becaus ei installed last night
[03:49] <Howitzer> rofl
[03:49] <adme> anyone know how I could reinstall xbase-clients... ?
[03:49] <Howitzer> openbox is less then 1 meg :')
[03:49] <tfort> and i'm trying to figure out ubuntu right now
[03:49] <tfort> it's weird going from gentoo to ubuntu
[03:49] <Howitzer> adme, sudo apt-get --reinstall install .........
[03:49] <Howitzer> heh
[03:49] <stan-am> im trying to install Suns bin installer, can anyone give me a hand with this?
[03:49] <Howitzer> is gentoo nice?
[03:50] <IIIEars> tfort - gnome is nice. reasonably light on ram and nearly infinitly customisable.
[03:50] <Howitzer> i'd like to try it
[03:50] <adme> but it is meeting with unmet dependencies...
[03:50] <teferi> adme: if you're asking about breezy, the dependencies aren't in yet
[03:50] <stan-am> im trying to install Suns bin installer, can anyone give me a hand with this?
[03:50] <teferi> don't worry about it
[03:50] <teferi> just wait
[03:50] <ermac`> Howitzer gentoo is for freaks really hard ;)
[03:50] <Howitzer> heh
[03:50] <tfort> Howitzer, i liked it, but if you screw up something, like i did the other day, i found it really hard to fix everything
[03:50] <tfort> ermac`, it was my first linux system
[03:50] <adme> teferi: hmm, that must be it - how could I go back to the old?
[03:50] <Howitzer> rofl
[03:50] <tfort> i'm still running my server on gentoo
[03:50] <Fughidabowit> abra: not exactly sure what to do - when i hit f2 it starts the insatller
[03:50] <teferi> adme: poke around in pool/ on the server, hope it's still there?
[03:50] <tfort> i like the "custom compiling" idea of it, where it will compile every source
[03:50] <malakhi> Howitzer, if you want to learn how the deep-down guts of linux work, then Gentoo is a great way to do it.
[03:50] <Howitzer> i screwed up my ubuntu/debian pure/slackware installs 9 times this WEEK
[03:51] <teferi> malakhi: bullshit
[03:51] <minxor> Hello
[03:51] <Howitzer> ehh
[03:51] <Fughidabowit> well brings me to a different screen - but doesnt really give me any further options
[03:51] <malakhi> But if you want to actually USE your computer, then go with something else.
[03:51] <teferi> malakhi: just because you type "emerge foo" instead of "apt-get install foo" does not mean you learn more about how shit works
[03:51] <tfort> malakhi, that's not true
[03:51] <Howitzer> Linux From Scratch? :D
[03:51] <IIIEars> ermac - yep, install it tweak it for hours then click on a single malicious URL and PFFFT!. it's all gone if you haven't made a disk image.
[03:51] <tfort> malakhi, gentoo isn't very hard, unless you're building the kernel yourself
[03:51] <tfort> a stage 1 i eblieve install
[03:51] <tfort> you cand o a stage 3 install and it be relatively easy
[03:51] <Howitzer> but what is that?
[03:51] <adme> even then they give a very detailed handbook
[03:51] <teferi> even a stage1 isn't hard
[03:51] <malakhi> teferi, I'm not talking about just compiling from source. I'm talking about the manual configuration and stuff.
[03:51] <Howitzer> 'building the kernel'
[03:52] <teferi> it's just emerge this, emerge that
[03:52] <IIIEars> gentoo is heartbreaking
[03:52] <Howitzer> i mean
[03:52] <tfort> teferi, i know, i thought it was easy, but for people staying its hard, stage 3 is really simple
[03:52] <Howitzer> if you mess with the kernel
[03:52] <Howitzer> c'mon
[03:52] <minxor> I want gedit to open my .rb files with the correct syntax highlighting. Unfortunately nautilus sees them as text/plain rather than text/x-ruby, so gedit doesn't apply highlighting - how can I fix this?
[03:52] <tfort> kernel is really easy to play with
[03:52] <Razor-X> we're all still at it so many hours later ;)
[03:52] <malakhi> tfort, I know I'm exagerating, and I use and love Gentoo, but it's not for the faint of heart.
[03:52] <Razor-X> i'm back from a 9 hour day at school ;)
[03:52] <tfort> malakhi, yea, i agree, that's why i want my desktop to be ubuntu and just my server be gentoo
[03:52] <ed1t> nalioth, hey
[03:52] <Howitzer> EEK
[03:53] <Howitzer> school?
[03:53] <malakhi> tfort, that's what i do
[03:53] <Razor-X> malakhi: but it's still fscking awesome ;)
[03:53] <tfort> anyway, anyone have the issue of the bongos continually playing on your system?
[03:53] <Howitzer> hmmm
[03:53] <Razor-X> Howitzer: I like school (at least the math part)
[03:53] <malakhi> Razor-X, oh, definitely
[03:53] <Howitzer> i might try it
[03:53] <tfort> i just installed, and i can't get them to stop playing these frigin bongos
[03:53] <Howitzer> i like school aswell
[03:53] <Razor-X> when the teachers understand I actually understand that I know more than "OMG, logs of negative numbers aren't real!!!"
[03:53] <Howitzer> but just standing up in the morning is soooooooo sucky :(
[03:53] <teferi> of course they're not real
[03:53] <Howitzer> heh
[03:54] <Howitzer> i hate it
[03:54] <teferi> and anyway, which branch of log do you mean?
[03:54] <Razor-X> s/<\I actually understand>\//
[03:54] <mouse_> has anyone tried cups-pdf and got it to work?
[03:54] <Madpilot> tfort: ubuntu/gnome use a 'bongo' noise for some notifications, if that's what you mean
[03:54] <frank> principal barch!
[03:54] <frank> branch!
[03:54] <Razor-X> teferi: Euler's Identity
[03:54] <Howitzer> when you can conversate with the teachers you're a suckup -_-
[03:54] <Razor-X> Euler's joke
[03:54] <Howitzer> i hte that
[03:54] <IIIEars> tfort - most marathon without reboot servers are BSD. - FreeBSD isn't as easy as ubuntu but it isn't that difficult. dragonflybsd was okay
[03:54] <Howitzer> i mean
[03:54] <tfort> Madpilot, no it's continual, like it won't stop playing, im thinking it's alsa hanging up
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> Howitzer: when you conversate with the teachers they ask why you didn't say converse :)
[03:54] <Razor-X> Howitzer: I converse with teachers a lot
[03:54] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: XD
[03:54] <Howitzer> wtf? Oo
[03:55] <Madpilot> tfort: fun. sound is odd.
[03:55] <Razor-X> errr, not Euler's joke, wtf
[03:55] <Howitzer> (i'm 15 and not native English)
[03:55] <Razor-X> s/joke/formula
[03:55] <Razor-X> Howitzer: i'm 15
[03:55] <Razor-X> don't bleat your age when you're at a loss
[03:55] <tfort> IIIEars, slackware is the ultimate nerd tool
[03:55] <Howitzer> ehh
[03:55] <Howitzer> i get 1 hour english at school -_-
[03:55] <HrdwrBoB> Howitzer: now you know that conversate isn't a real word, we're all learning :)
[03:55] <Razor-X> slackware is also awesome
[03:55] <HrdwrBoB> Howitzer: though your english is otherwise quite good
[03:55] <IIIEars> slackware it is linux ;)
[03:56] <Howitzer> OOH
[03:56] <Razor-X> i'm not native English, but I learn English as my primary language, so on that I can't say anything
[03:56] <Howitzer> NNScript :'(
[03:56] <tfort> Razor-X, that's too much work for me, i can customize freebsd and gnetoo to do wahtever i want, i dont need slackware enough
[03:56] <Razor-X> not sure what NNScript is *shrugs(
[03:56] <Razor-X> s/\(/*/
[03:56] <tfort> damnit
[03:56] <Razor-X> tfort: hehe
[03:56] <Howitzer> could someone explain me what the hell ****bsd is?
[03:56] <tfort> why won't my sound work at all
[03:56] <Razor-X> Howitzer: Berkely Standard Distribution
[03:57] <Howitzer> but is it like linux?
[03:57] <Razor-X> it's an alternate deviation of UNIX that as different file syntax, and has a different overall kernel than Linux
[03:57] <tfort> its unix
[03:57] <Razor-X> tfort: it aint linux
[03:57] <tfort> i know, it's just like unix though
[03:57] <Razor-X> s/linux/UNIX/
[03:57] <Howitzer> but you can use gnome on it?
[03:57] <Howitzer> oh man
[03:57] <tfort> Howitzer, um... i never used a WM on bsd
[03:57] <Razor-X> Howitzer: trust me, if you use X primarily still, BSD is not for you ;0
[03:57] <tfort> only terminal
[03:57] <Howitzer> my throat hurts :(
[03:57] <Razor-X> s/;0/;)/
[03:58] <Howitzer> wtf
[03:58] <Fughidabowit> so can someone give me some pointers on how to start this installer - im having major issues getting it started
[03:58] <Razor-X> still, I hate how BSD defaults to tcsh
[03:58] <Howitzer> sorry but, what are you going to do these days with an all-term pc?
[03:58] <Razor-X> Howitzer: a lot a lot
[03:58] <adme> teferi: would I be able to possibly use the xbase-clients package from hoary?
[03:58] <Howitzer> (except as a server)
[03:58] <Razor-X> I'm using X, but the majority of everything I do is in a terminal emulator
[03:58] <Fughidabowit> ive setup ubuntu before...just cant recall the exact setup parms to use
[03:58] <IIIEars> as far as home based servers go the more unlikely the OS the better. - hackers will just move along to an easier target they have the tools for.
[03:58] <malakhi> Howitzer, yes you can use gnome on it.
[03:58] <hybrid_goth> hey everyone
[03:59] <Howitzer> oh crap
[03:59] <ep> I've been trying to upgrade to libcurl3 (>=7.13).  Debian stable has 7.14  Ubuntu is 7.12 for some reason.
[03:59] <Howitzer> it's 4AM
[03:59] <hybrid_goth> i just got back from a month and a half without internet
[03:59] <Razor-X> listen to MP3s, occasionally browse the web, write text files, word process, everything
[03:59] <teferi> adme: don't know how well that would work, dependency wise
[03:59] <Razor-X> ep: well, try backports if not just wait... or compile your own
[03:59] <Howitzer> hybrid_goth, i feel sorry for you :(
[03:59] <Madpilot> at work we're starting to use BSD with KDE on top - cheaper than WinXP...
[03:59] <hybrid_goth> and did they change the breezy repos
[03:59] <hybrid_goth> Howitzer: me too :P
[03:59] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: ewwwwwwww!!!!
[03:59] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: hey man!!! long time
[03:59] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: yeah, I know ;)
[03:59] <adme> razor-x: what is the entry for the backports?
[03:59] <IIIEars> << playing with CD based servers - hacked? just reboot.
[03:59] <Howitzer> you know what sucks about internet in Belgium?
[03:59] <Razor-X> I came back from 9 hours of no internet, heh
[03:59] <frank> Madpilot: why not linux + kde?
[04:00] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: heh. my dad is ghetto
[04:00] <Razor-X> adme: lemme check, hold on
[04:00] <adme> razor-x: thanks
[04:00] <FoamY_is_PagaN> why does intell and microsoft hold all the search links for an email station service provider?
[04:00] <Razor-X> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[04:00] <Razor-X> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[04:00] <Razor-X> there you are
[04:00] <ep> Razor-X, how about dpkg -i libcurl3.deb   Is that a bad idea?
[04:01] <Howitzer> we pay ?40(+- $55) a month for 10gb/month bandwith with crappy dsl lines that get  max oif 80kb/s
[04:01] <adme> thanks
[04:01] <Razor-X> ep: it may depend on Debian-only packages
[04:01] <tanki> sup raz, howit
[04:01] <Razor-X> not much harm possible, though
[04:01] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: my i msg you?
[04:01] <ep> ah
[04:01] <Razor-X> Howitzer: ewww!
[04:01] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: go ahead
[04:01] <Razor-X> hey tanki
[04:01] <Howitzer> hiya tanki
[04:01] <Howitzer> hey ehh
[04:01] <tanki> you comming to the offtopic chan?
[04:01] <Howitzer> me?
[04:01] <Razor-X> ahh, yeah ;)
[04:02] <tanki> yeah be there or be square
[04:02] <Razor-X> you vi buffs should try Conkeror
[04:02] <ed1t> nalioth, u there?
[04:02] <Madpilot> frank: I know we use BSD on many servers, and our comp guys know BSD backwards
[04:02] <ep> from the command line, how can double check backports in in my sources?
[04:02] <Razor-X> it's emacs controls based, but you can use vi keys too
[04:03] <Sheng> ok
[04:03] <Sheng> anyone find the rt2500 package?
[04:03] <Sheng> does ubuntu update automatically?
[04:03] <Howitzer> Sheng, no
[04:03] <ed1t> Sheng, type sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:03] <Sheng> i thought it did
[04:03] <Howitzer> just do apt-get upgrade
[04:03] <Sheng> from a menu
[04:03] <ed1t> to upgrad all ur packages
[04:03] <Howitzer> ah
[04:03] <Howitzer> Synaptic?
[04:04] <Sheng> from console, type apt-get upgrade?
[04:04] <Howitzer> yes
[04:04] <Sheng> but i mean the core linux
[04:04] <Howitzer> oh
[04:04] <Howitzer> that i don't know about
[04:04] <Howitzer> i guess not
[04:04] <Howitzer> but i"ll think you know when a new kernel comes out
[04:05] <FoamY_is_PagaN> wow either my story telling skills bite a$$ or none has a sence of humor >.<
[04:05] <Howitzer> *sense
[04:05] <Howitzer> :D
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> frank: the former
[04:05] <Howitzer> ehh
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> er
[04:05] <Howitzer> tell the story to me
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> FoamY_is_PagaN:
[04:05] <Howitzer> i'm bored :(
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> Howitzer: he said it earlier
[04:05] <FoamY_is_PagaN> lol
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> I imagine
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> in that made up story
[04:06] <Howitzer> i wonder how lang it would take if i did sudo rm /
[04:06] <Howitzer> :D
[04:06] <FoamY_is_PagaN> HrdwrBoB dude you have to check out this wooden clock i'm gonna build i'll be done with the plans in a few days to a week ^_^
[04:06] <HrdwrBoB> wtf does a wooden clock have to do with ubuntu
[04:06] <Howitzer> they both rule
[04:07] <Howitzer> :s
[04:07] <Howitzer> eek
[04:07] <FoamY_is_PagaN> um besides look like the logo? nothing
[04:07] <Howitzer> rofl
[04:07] <Howitzer> you're mking a wooden clock that resembles the Ubuntu logo?
[04:07] <FoamY_is_PagaN> ^_^
[04:07] <Howitzer> Oo
[04:07] <FoamY_is_PagaN> it's m y second project i'm desighning
[04:07] <Howitzer> and my parents call me  a freak :x
[04:08] <FoamY_is_PagaN> no it's for a "attention" getter for an ubuntu gettoghether that i'm hosting to spread the word of ubuntu
[04:08] <Howitzer> ooh
[04:08] <FoamY_is_PagaN> and to teach people some fundementals of the os
[04:08] <Howitzer> cool
[04:08] <Howitzer> make me one too
[04:08] <Howitzer> would hang lovely in my room
[04:09] <FoamY_is_PagaN> hang? no not quite
[04:09] <Howitzer> oh god
[04:09] <FoamY_is_PagaN> imagen the case of a grandfather clock made outta wood....the gears pinions everything
[04:09] <Howitzer> don't tell me it's one of those huge 2meter tall clock
[04:09] <Howitzer> :/
[04:09] <FoamY_is_PagaN> no
[04:09] <Howitzer> ooh
[04:09] <FoamY_is_PagaN> 6ft tall 3 foot wide
[04:10] <ep> you did say "attention getter"
[04:10] <FoamY_is_PagaN> you know a hand made from scratch all wood grandfather clock although it will have lead weights to make it run
[04:10] <zenlunatic> do ubuntu repositories contain non-free software?
[04:10] <Howitzer> damn
[04:10] <FoamY_is_PagaN> yea i said that but i diden't mean desperate attention getter......lol
[04:11] <Howitzer> i don't know if Ubuntu is on hda or hdb :/
[04:11] <FoamY_is_PagaN> should be on hdb i would think
[04:11] <Howitzer> Oo
[04:11] <abarbaccia> Howitzer, open up fstab and see where / is mounted
[04:11] <Howitzer> how would you know?:x
[04:11] <abarbaccia> cat /etc/fstab
[04:11] <FoamY_is_PagaN> and has for building a all wood clock um they go for about 12,ooo dollars us
[04:12] <FoamY_is_PagaN> which is why i'm building my own lol
[04:12] <flugh> Howitzer, do a 'mount', look for /
[04:12] <Howitzer> what was that search command agin?
[04:12] <FoamY_is_PagaN> i ant got that kinda cash....but i can work with wood lol
[04:12] <ep> I asked this earlier but forgot to save the answer.  Is there a way to check what packages are availabe on the extra repositories without actually adding em.
[04:12] <Howitzer> ah
[04:12] <Howitzer> hdb1
[04:12] <Howitzer> is there a tool made for formatting drives?
[04:13] <goldfish> yes!
[04:13] <goldfish> fdisk, cfdisk
[04:13] <Howitzer> not making a partition or anything
[04:13] <goldfish> oh right.
[04:13] <aarcane> mke2fs
[04:13] <goldfish> yeah.
[04:13] <Howitzer> okay
[04:13] <aarcane> mkfs.reiserfs
[04:13] <Madpilot> Howitzer: gparted, if you want a GUI
[04:13] <goldfish> mkfs.vfat :)
[04:13] <FoamY_is_PagaN> ok on my system hdb1 is on the secondary ide ribbon as the slave to the cdrom is that wrong?
[04:13] <aarcane> mkfs.ntfs >,.,<
[04:14] <Howitzer> i am and always will be a gui junkie :x
[04:14] <aarcane> FoamY_is_PagaN, tat is wrong
[04:14] <fiberoptix> Hey everyone.. I just donwloaded the DVD iso and when I try to burn the image k3b returns error ubuntru.*.*.* is not a valid iso 9660 file...
[04:14] <aarcane> FoamY_is_PagaN, hdb is the primary slave
[04:14] <Sheng> so, how do you install apps on ubuntu?
[04:14] <fiberoptix> Bad download? or did I Miss something
[04:14] <FoamY_is_PagaN> aarcane so thats why my stupid computer was goofin up and still is
[04:14] <wolki> ep: you can use a browser
[04:15] <Howitzer> fiberoptix, did you match the MD5 sum?
[04:15] <FoamY_is_PagaN> cuase hdb1 on my computer is my strage drive >.<
[04:15] <Sheng> does fireforx come with ubuntu?
[04:15] <fiberoptix> Howitzer: the md5 did pass
[04:15] <aarcane> FoamY_is_PagaN, probably, yeah..  it can be a bit much to get useded to :)
[04:15] <kbrooks> Sheng, yes
[04:15] <fiberoptix> Howitzer: according to k3b anyway
[04:15] <Sheng> goo
[04:15] <Sheng> good
[04:15] <aarcane> Sheng, Yes, I installed ubuntu, and had forx of fire already working :)
[04:15] <Howitzer> okay
[04:15] <Sheng> can youdl the pacakge and double click to install newer ones?
[04:15] <wolki> ep, just go to that location in firefox/other browser and you can browse it manually
[04:15] <FoamY_is_PagaN> yea but you know what i have been using ubuntu for almost 4 monthes now
[04:16] <ep> I'll give it a shot, thanks
[04:16] <FoamY_is_PagaN> and haven't even thought to use windows once
[04:16] <harris||> Can someone tell me how or point me to information on installing ATI video drivers?
[04:16] <Howitzer> i want to re-install windows to be honest
[04:16] <FoamY_is_PagaN> and to me if a program can do that then it awsome ^_^
[04:16] <wolki> harris||, i think there's a howto on the forums
[04:16] <Howitzer> but as a dualboot
[04:16] <harris||> ok
[04:16] <HrdwrBoB> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:16] <HrdwrBoB> ^ there
[04:16] <Madpilot> Sheng: don't do that. someone borked their system badly last night w/ the FF installer
[04:16] <aarcane> FoamY_is_PagaN, drives in Linux are a bit much to get used to..  I spend all my time on my girlfriend's lappy in linux in Ubuntu...  when she gets me my own, I'ma put Gentoo on it though..  Ubuntu is good for my girlfriend, but it's not really my fortee
[04:16] <Sheng> why?
[04:17] <Sheng> it should work
[04:17] <aarcane> Sheng, it's for lfs
[04:17] <FoamY_is_PagaN> aarcane have you tryed kubuntu?
[04:17] <Sheng> ?
[04:17] <Madpilot> Sheng: not sure, but they couldn't get to the internet at all. except for IRC...
[04:17] <FoamY_is_PagaN> it's more complex in menu's and stuff
[04:17] <signbarn> My CD R/W and DVD R/W drives haven't been mounting correctly on startup recently -- and i'm not sure why. They don't detect the CDs/DVDs i put into them, and they give me error messages when i try to browse them by double-clicking them in my Computer folder. The strange thing is that I can still play CDs from the CD player, etc.
[04:17] <aarcane> FoamY_is_PagaN, if that's just installing KDE from the ubuntu database, then that's what I am using right now
[04:17] <Sheng> they're probalby stupid
[04:17] <FoamY_is_PagaN> aarcane >.< ouch
[04:18] <knubee> ?
[04:18] <Howitzer> hmm
[04:18] <aarcane> FoamY_is_PagaN, well..  it's not bad at all, I'm not hating it..  but I did have to install 50% extra ram to make it work at a reasonable speed
[04:18] <wolki> aarcane, no kubuntu is ubuntu with installing kubuntu-desktop. but it's quite similar :)
[04:18] <Sheng> i tried to get slax on my usb drive, but it didn't work
[04:18] <signbarn> -- and they only show up as drive icons, not disc icons.
[04:18] <FoamY_is_PagaN> O_O
[04:19] <frank> wolki: or just installing the kubuntu cd
[04:19] <Howitzer> If i want to make a partition for backup-use of Ubuntu, how big should it be?
[04:19] <Sheng> who makes ubuntu?
[04:19] <FoamY_is_PagaN> i have a celeron 1.0ghz and 256mb pc133 it works peachy for me O_o
[04:19] <aarcane> wolki, as long as kubuntu isn't a completely different install medium, then yeah, I guess I have kubuntu
[04:19] <FoamY_is_PagaN> i do use kubuntu but i ripped all the weard kde crap out
[04:19] <aarcane> FoamY_is_PagaN, I feel for you my brother
[04:19] <Howitzer> lol
[04:20] <wolki> aarcane, there is a different install medium (then you dont get the gnome stuff). but in the end they're the same
[04:20] <Howitzer> i installed kubuntu_desktop once, but i thought it was all too messy
[04:20] <coolkev> how do i mount hda2 (ext3) to folder /mnt/d/ >
[04:20] <FoamY_is_PagaN> kate is a little to complex for me and kynaptic dosen't give me the app definitions i like
[04:20] <FoamY_is_PagaN> naw it works awsome
[04:20] <Sheng> i'll be running it on a 1.5 ghz Sempron with 512mb RAM
[04:20] <Howitzer> coolkev, edit fstab
[04:20] <daniels> FoamY_is_PagaN: if kate is too complex, try ktextedit
[04:20] <Howitzer> sudo gedit /etc/fstab/
[04:20] <wolki> coolkev: manually or permanently?
[04:21] <FoamY_is_PagaN> the apps are still all there i just ripped out the gui menu's
[04:21] <aarcane> wolki, alright..  I have gnome stuff installed too on this biatch, I may take alot of it out..  problem is that with apt-get, dependancies are impossible..  because dependancies are just installed as regular packages....  >,.,<
[04:21] <coolkev> manually
[04:21] <coolkev> or permenantly
[04:21] <tfort> damnit
[04:21] <tfort> ok, now i got wav files to stop playing all the damn time
[04:21] <tfort> but now cd's won't play
[04:21] <Howitzer> can't you put 'm in an auto-mount folder or something?
[04:21] <coolkev> perm is better
[04:21] <signbarn> how is ntfs better than fat32 -- fat32 can be read and written to from ubuntu, right? so i guess what i'm asking is why xp prefers ntfs.
[04:21] <FoamY_is_PagaN> thats the easest editor for a newb in linux i think
[04:21] <Howitzer> i thought ntfs was faster
[04:21] <wolki> coolkev, for permanently you'll have to edit /etc/fstab
[04:21] <coolkev> ntfs is faster and supports larger HD's better
[04:21] <Howitzer> FoamY_is_PagaN, don't underestimate beaver
[04:21] <ubuntuguide> ntfs allows security -sort of :-)
[04:22] <Sheng> ntfs is much faster, allows for user group control, and it has far fewer corruptability issues
[04:22] <FoamY_is_PagaN> beaver? never tryed it
[04:22] <aarcane> I'm running kubuntu on a celeron 1.4 with 768 MB PC72000 RAM, and it sucks ass, it's slow, but bearable
[04:22] <ubuntuguide> user permissions and so forth
[04:22] <tfort> Howitzer, who cares, reiser is faster than all anyway
[04:22] <coolkev> wolki do you know the command i would have to type?
[04:22] <Howitzer> it is?
[04:22] <Howitzer> damn
[04:22] <Sheng> aarcane, that's because of yoru celeron
[04:22] <Sheng> intel sucks
[04:22] <Howitzer> i'm always using ext3 :/
[04:22] <FoamY_is_PagaN> i thought there where linux partitions that where better than ntfs?
[04:22] <Howitzer> Intel doesn't suck
[04:22] <tfort> Howitzer, yea they erally do
[04:22] <coolkev> Resier4 i think is better
[04:22] <coolkev> and XFS
[04:22] <bob2> resier4 isn't even in the mainline kernel yet
[04:23] <tfort> coolkev, that's what i was stalking about
[04:23] <aarcane> Howitzer, on my home pc, I use ext2
[04:23] <wolki> add something like "/dev/hda2       /mount/d               ext3    defaults 0       2"
[04:23] <FoamY_is_PagaN> amd is better than intel i think but i can't afford one >.<
[04:23] <bob2> and xfs likes to replace files with strings of 0's
[04:23] <signbarn> can you read/write on fat32 from ubuntu?
[04:23] <tfort> bob2, it can be considered pretty stable though
[04:23] <tanki> aarcane, why not ext3?
[04:23] <tanki> shorter fsck times
[04:23] <wolki> to the /etc/fstab file
[04:23] <bob2> tfort: by who?
[04:23] <Sheng> $146 for Athlon64 939 300+ retail
[04:23] <bob2> signbarn: sure
[04:23] <Howitzer> signbarn, ye
[04:23] <Howitzer> only not on ntfs(i thought)
[04:23] <tfort> bob2, i've used it for my servers, and they all run fine, no problems yet
[04:23] <Sheng> 3000+
[04:23] <FoamY_is_PagaN> amd motherboards are custom made to run sweet with nvidia
[04:23] <aarcane> tanki, never need to fsck unless I do something stupid, and if that happens, I deserve it
[04:23] <wolki> and don't forget to create the /mount/d file
[04:23] <tfort> FoamY_is_PagaN, i wouldn't say that, but they are nice
[04:23] <FoamY_is_PagaN> yea
[04:23] <Sheng> goodybe
[04:23] <signbarn> i'm currently dual booting xp/ubuntu, so i think i'm going to reformat my xp partition and make it fat32.
[04:23] <ICXCNIKA> I just ordered off for ubuntu
[04:24] <tfort> signbarn, just make it reiserfs
[04:24] <tanki> aarcane, i guess you never had an AGP lockup or power going out
[04:24] <tanki> ok
[04:24] <wolki> to edit the fstab, enter gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
[04:24] <aarcane> signbarn, you should use some shared space
[04:24] <chibifs> ICXCNIKA - good luck getting it this year. :P
[04:24] <signbarn> reiserfs?
[04:24] <aarcane> tanki, I use PCI video cards, and I have UPS
[04:24] <signbarn> shared space?
[04:24] <tfort> k, off to fix my damn sound
[04:24] <chibifs> I still haven't gotten mine, and I ordered before release :P
[04:24] <Howitzer> hey guys
[04:24] <ICXCNIKA> Well signbarn, I am on a dialup connection. 37 hours of torture and anticipation
[04:25] <tanki> even if you maintain long uptimes you should fsck once every few hundred days
[04:25] <aarcane> signbarn, make a shared fat32 partition..  D drive on windows, and /media/d on ubuntu
[04:25] <tanki> infact it's even set in hdparm to run fsck on a disk every 160 days since the last reboot
[04:25] <signbarn> aarcane: that makes sense, but when i was configuring wine, it said it prefers to have read/write access to the system files of windows
[04:25] <aarcane> tanki, I'd like to see you fsck a mounted partition
[04:25] <tanki> obviously i'm referring to onboot
[04:26] <chibifs> All this talk about fscking and mounting
[04:26] <Howitzer> if i want to create a partition to use for backing up Ubuntu, (no booting whatsoever), how lrge does the partition have to be (average-wise) + what type? --(i'm using gparted)
[04:26] <aarcane> signbarn, you generally don't want or need windows for wine
[04:26] <tanki> there is no reason not to upgrade ext2 to ext3, there's no overhead and ext3 offers some things better
[04:26] <coolkev> resier4 is full working and intergrated into the minislack distro
[04:26] <signbarn> ya don't say... that sounds promising
[04:26] <tanki> infact u can even upgrade ext2 to ext3 without rebooting i think
[04:26] <tanki> but anyway, to each his own
[04:27] <chibifs> coolkev - Serious? I've been hearing a lot of good about minislack.
[04:27] <aarcane> Howitzer, it depends, are you backing up all of / including home, /tmp, etc
[04:27] <aarcane> ?
[04:27] <Howitzer> ehh
[04:27] <Howitzer> well
[04:27] <Howitzer> everything except the basic installation
[04:27] <coolkev> can you convert a ext3 drive to resierFS without loosing the data already there?
[04:27] <coolkev> in ubuntu
[04:27] <aarcane> Howitzer, :-S
[04:27] <chibifs> I came here from slackware, I kinda miss it :P
[04:27] <Razor-X> coolkev: i'm pretty sure it's possible, because other utilities do it for you independant from the OS
[04:28] <aarcane> Distro Warz!!!
[04:28] <Razor-X> chibifs: ahhh, you have some obvious "h4ck3r r1ghts" ;)
[04:28] <coolkev> chibifs ubuntu is better then minislack in my opinoin, but minislack is on more of a bleeding edge then ubuntu, but is less reliable
[04:28] <Howitzer> when something goes wrong, i just install Ubuntu again and copy all the files
[04:28] <wolki> coolkev, i don't think so
[04:28] <Howitzer> chibifs ubuntu?.
[04:28] <Razor-X> minislack was nice, definitely
[04:28] <frank> coolkev: very unlikely
[04:28] <Razor-X> coolkev: that's kinda what bleeding-edge is, no?
[04:28] <Howitzer> eek
[04:29] <coolkev> ye
[04:29] <Howitzer> explain the term bleeding-edge please :(
[04:29] <coolkev> latest in software
[04:29] <Razor-X> Howitzer: basically, people cooperate on CVS to put in patches everyday
[04:29] <Howitzer> ooh
[04:29] <Razor-X> but, sometimes the patches have ill-effects that haven't been thoroughly tested
[04:29] <Howitzer> ooooooooh
[04:29] <Razor-X> when something has been thoroughly tested, it's released as a "release"
[04:29] <chibifs> Howitzer - Knoppix-Slackware-Debian-Slackware-Ubuntu-Mandriva(1 day)-Ubuntu Is my distro history.
[04:30] <Howitzer> like in 'a bleeding edge from the knife that has been used to chop off limbs''
[04:30] <chibifs> Probably used slackware the longest. Still run it on my laptop.
[04:30] <Howitzer> lol
[04:30] <Amaranth> bleeding-edge is the very latest software
[04:30] <Razor-X> Howitzer: hmmm, that's not something i've heard... ;)
[04:30] <Amaranth> it's called bleeding edge because you get hurt
[04:30] <Howitzer> i did:
[04:30] <Howitzer> Ooooooooh
[04:30] <Howitzer> okay
[04:30] <goldfish> bleeding-edge is 0-day
[04:30] <Howitzer> buggy and all
[04:30] <Howitzer> okay
[04:30] <Howitzer> now i get it
[04:30] <Howitzer> \ o /.
[04:30] <coolkev> minislack is for intermidiate users and ubuntu is for everyone... and minislack is very light weight as u can see it features XFCE as it's desktop
[04:30] <chibifs> I've tried a few others, but they were completely insignificant. :P
[04:31] <aarcane> what exists in the way of Security in Ubuntu, I want to deny root access, and prevent booting whenever a specific USB key identified by a single file is Inserted
[04:31] <chibifs> XFCE is my favorite :D
[04:31] <sproingie> ubuntu doesnt really wow me with features, but it does "just work" more than most
[04:31] <chibifs> I release tweaks to xfce now and then.
[04:31] <goldfish> i liked xfce until i tried fluxbox.
[04:31] <sproingie> aarcane: define "deny root access"
[04:31] <Razor-X> you vi/emacs users should _really_ try Conkeror
[04:31] <Razor-X> ;)
[04:31] <Howitzer> hmmm
[04:31] <Razor-X> for those of you fed up with using your mouse (which is why I switched to a trackball)
[04:31] <Howitzer> what is vi/emac?
[04:31] <aarcane> sproingie, no su, no sudo, no way that anything can authenticate as root, likely at the pam level
[04:31] <Razor-X> Howitzer: vi is a text editor
[04:31] <goldfish> editors
[04:31] <Razor-X> emacs is another
[04:32] <Howitzer> oooh
[04:32] <Razor-X> I won't get into the particulars here
[04:32] <Howitzer> why hasn't anybody heard of beaver
[04:32] <Razor-X> but, they're both hotly rallied for, it's even bigger than distro wars
[04:32] <Howitzer> it's the best text editor there is!
[04:32] <Razor-X> Howitzer: I have
[04:32] <wolki> aarcane: don#t make a root account and remove yourself from the sudoers file
[04:32] <ep> cause we're geeks
[04:32] <^thehatsrule^> Howitzer: i have, and most of the dsl crew
[04:32] <coolkev> any linux smart people can pm me and tell me how to convert an ext3 parition to resierfs without loosing the data?
[04:32] <Howitzer> light, functional and uber-good
[04:32] <giant> lol... ep reading my mind
[04:32] <Razor-X> I am writing a guide, where text editors is a focus
[04:32] <^thehatsrule^> oh hey Razor-X :P
[04:32] <Razor-X> and so, I researched up on quite a few
[04:32] <Razor-X> ^thehatsrule^: hey
[04:32] <aarcane> wolki, I want such access to be available when the USB key is inserted
[04:32] <^thehatsrule^> Razor-X: i see youve moved all to ubuntu? ;p
[04:32] <Razor-X> including Beaver, cream, joe, etc.
[04:33] <Howitzer> ^thehatsrule^, rofl, aren't you from #damnsmalllinux? :D
[04:33] <Razor-X> ^thehatsrule^: yes, I have!
[04:33] <^thehatsrule^> Howitzer: yes i am, and so is Razor-X ;p
[04:33] <Howitzer> i used DSL
[04:33] <Razor-X> but, DSL is still running faithfully in the other machine
[04:33] <^thehatsrule^> hehe
[04:33] <Razor-X> ^thehatsrule^: yeah, was a DSL fan before I was an Ubuntu one
[04:33] <sproingie> aarcane: hmm ... i don't think you'll ever get something bulletproof, not without SELinux or RSBAC
[04:33] <Razor-X> still think DSL is awesome for what it does
[04:33] <Howitzer> oooh
[04:33] <Razor-X> highly reccomend it, even over minislack
[04:33] <^thehatsrule^> i used both, but i still havent found a machine for hoary permaenently
[04:33] <Howitzer> Minislackl looks nice
[04:33] <sproingie> aarcane: anything you do with a stock ubuntu policy-wise will be a scripted hack, easy to get around
[04:34] <Howitzer> should i try minislack?
[04:34] <Razor-X> Howitzer: your choice
[04:34] <^thehatsrule^> its alright...
[04:34] <^thehatsrule^> LOL
[04:34] <wolki> nano rocks
[04:34] <^thehatsrule^> cedega notepad
[04:34] <Howitzer> indeed
[04:34] <^thehatsrule^> hahahha
[04:34] <Razor-X> aarcane: why waste cedega on notepad?
[04:34] <coolkev> Howitzer try it if you been using linux for a while and are comfortable with it
[04:34] <sproingie> cedega command.com
[04:34] <Howitzer> hmm
[04:34] <aarcane> sproingie, I think a pam module and a strong as sodomy root password would work
[04:34] <Razor-X> WINE works way better for that stuff
[04:34] <Howitzer> is it hard?
[04:34] <sproingie> cedega EDLIN
[04:34] <^thehatsrule^> you may as well use dosbox
[04:34] <Razor-X> ^thehatsrule^: mmmm, that's some awesome stuff
[04:35] <coolkev> minislack is not user friendly, speciallly it's setup
[04:35] <Howitzer> i emulated the XP install screen yesterday
[04:35] <Howitzer> with wine
[04:35] <aarcane> Razor-X, because I happen to have cedega lying around for games, and don't want TWO C drives ?
[04:35] <Howitzer> really funny
[04:35] <Howitzer> wait
[04:35] <calc> sproingie: cedega copy con
[04:35] <Howitzer> i'll make a screen :D
[04:35] <Razor-X> aarcane: well, it's still a waste of proc power, IMO
[04:35] <sproingie> aarcane: well sure, if you just don't grant sudo and still keep a root passwd, any unix will fit the bill
[04:35] <calc> edlin is too user friendly ;)
[04:35] <Razor-X> I have to get tetris-net :(
[04:35] <hybrid_goth> anyone here have a psp they connect to their linux box?
[04:35] <Razor-X> nethack is so addictive though... gah
[04:35] <sproingie> copy con\con
[04:35] <Howitzer> nethack?
[04:35] <Razor-X> Howitzer: OMG
[04:35] <^thehatsrule^> Razor-X: you play tetrinet? ;p
[04:36] <Howitzer> isn't that something Anime-alike?
[04:36] <Razor-X> the ub3r awesome RPG
[04:36] <wolki> no
[04:36] <Razor-X> ^thehatsrule^: I must get
[04:36] <Howitzer> ooooooh
[04:36] <Howitzer> wait
[04:36] <hybrid_goth> crawl pwns nethack
[04:36] <Razor-X> is there an emacs interface? XD
[04:36] <wolki> it's ascii-like :)
[04:36] <^thehatsrule^> its old style hacckkkk
[04:36] <Howitzer> isn't that that ascii game?
[04:36] <DekaPink> I've tried to burn a CD with k3b and gnomebaker and both times it's said it couldn't fixate the disk. o.O
[04:36] <Howitzer> oh i hated that :(
[04:36] <^thehatsrule^> Howitzer: it can be ANYTHING now ;p
[04:36] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: I was thinking of thinking of a nice non-real-time MMORPG system
[04:36] <aarcane> sproingie, problem is, I want sudo and su - to fail completely without either the root password or the USB key in the port.  in the case of the USB key being present, they should both allow full root access, No questions asked
[04:36] <sproingie> every time i think windows might really be approaching a real usable OS, i think of the time i had a file named "nul"
[04:36] <Howitzer> i want Guild Wars back :'(
[04:36] <Razor-X> Howitzer: you're a disgrace ;)
[04:37] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: game orgasms there
[04:37] <sproingie> windows goes to some amazing lengths to stay broken in the name of compatibility
[04:37] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: hahaha, true that
[04:37] <Razor-X> but, I have an HL2 story to think up
[04:37] <^thehatsrule^> Razor-X: ##tetrinet if you like ;p
[04:37] <DekaPink> But since it finished burning and then couldn't fixate it... Can I still use the disk? :3
[04:37] <aarcane> sproingie, a file named "nul" ?  what happen ?
[04:37] <Razor-X> which, though I refused the money for, the payoff is a few-hundred
[04:37] <Razor-X> Razor-X: heh, ok
[04:37] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: WoW ASCII
[04:37] <Howitzer> i'll pray for the day every single program for windows will be able to work on linux
[04:37] <ep> I'm new an ubuntu has been my best experience out of about 3 tries.  I may have to go back to Debian  cause I can't figure out how to install bzflag 2.0 under ubuntu.  (I'm a bzflag junkie).  Anybody done this?
[04:37] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: there is?!
[04:38] <Howitzer> then microsoft will go bankrupt
[04:38] <aarcane> lol
[04:38] <sproingie> aarcane: ohhh, you want a file on the USB key to be a token.  yeah, that's doable with pam, i just don't know how offhand
[04:38] <Razor-X> and no, I don't play HL2 either
[04:38] <Razor-X> heh
[04:38] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: Yea untill I woke up
[04:38] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: XDDD
[04:38] <Razor-X> brb, i'll be back in a sec
[04:38] <aarcane> sproingie, yeah, i already have the file, and I think it's a good choice..  noone would guess it, lol
[04:38] <Howitzer> wtf
[04:38] <sproingie> aarcane: you might actually need to write a custom PAM module, though it'd be like 10 lines of C at most
[04:38] <Howitzer> weird problem here
[04:38] <Madpilot> ep: bzflag is in the Ubuntu repos.
[04:38] <aarcane> sproingie, I figgured that
[04:38] <wolki> ep: there are some options. ask for a backport in the forum or comppile it yourself
[04:39] <sdnnvs> ubuntu-br
[04:39] <wolki> ep: or wait for breezy :)
[04:39] <sproingie> aarcane: actually, you might even be able to write pam modules in bash.  i seem to recall solaris where i used to work had some pam modules in bourne shell
[04:40] <Madpilot> off to the gym, back later. if I'm going to turn into a linux geek, I may as well stay a *fit* linux geek...
[04:40] <sproingie> aarcane: i think it's as simple as the return status... you'd have to read the pam docs tho
[04:40] <aarcane> sproingie, I'm pretty sure it would be
[04:41] <Razor-X> back
[04:41] <ep> yes, i'm almost there on compiling it.   But I need libcurl3 version 7.13 or greater and it needs other dependencies probably....  I'll ask in the forum.
[04:41] <Howitzer> omfg
[04:41] <Razor-X> you know what I want to see
[04:41] <Razor-X> a TECO vs. ed match ;)
[04:41] <someluser> I seriously broke my nvidia driver, can anyone help?
[04:41] <Razor-X> that would be awesome, seriously
[04:41] <sproingie> teco owns ed
[04:41] <Howitzer> i wined the XP install program and everything freezed
[04:41] <Razor-X> sproingie: amen tothat
[04:41] <LaLu> pastis forever !
[04:41] <Howitzer> not normal
[04:41] <Razor-X> s/tothat/to that/
[04:42] <Howitzer> Linux never freezed untill i tried an XP program
[04:42] <Howitzer> -_-
[04:42] <Howitzer> anyways
[04:42] <Razor-X> Howitzer: hah!
[04:42] <Howitzer> off to reboot
[04:42] <sproingie> yeah it'll do that
[04:42] <Howitzer> i'll see you guys in a minute
[04:43] <someluser> you guys are really unhelpful
[04:43] <sproingie> gotta love install programs that run in directx full screen
[04:43] <sproingie> probably trying to install a game
[04:43] <ep> wolki, what forum is that i should ask in?
[04:43] <ep> i can i see the channel topic?
[04:43] <ep> how
[04:43] <sproingie> someluser: that's okay, you don't have to tip us then
[04:44] <bwlang> ep: slash topic
[04:44] <Howitzer> hehe
[04:44] <someluser> sproingie, i asked five times and nobody wants to even acknowledge me
[04:44] <Howitzer> restarting X was good enough
[04:44] <someluser> sproingie, you're the first one
[04:44] <Razor-X> someluser: are we getting paid?
[04:44] <Razor-X> no
[04:44] <Howitzer> http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xpinstallonubuntu7xd.png
[04:45] <Razor-X> criticize our support _after_ you hand us a sum of money
[04:45] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[04:45] <Razor-X> bddebian: hey
[04:45] <sproingie> someluser: all i saw was that "you broke your driver".  not a lot to start from, really
[04:45] <bddebian> Heya Razor-X
[04:45] <someluser> Razor-X, no but you do hang out here to help people out
[04:45] <Howitzer> ehh
[04:45] <sproingie> to get good answers, you must ask good questions, grasshoppa
[04:45] <Razor-X> someluser: yeah, but we're not required to answer everything, like I said
[04:45] <Howitzer> can i help someone actually
[04:45] <bungopolis> has anyone here gotten skype working properly? It hangs when I try to make a call, doesnt respond to incoming calls, and has to be force-quit after exiting. It is working fine on windows on the same computer, and on another linux box inside the same network with no configuration changes.
[04:45] <Howitzer> i'm bored to death
[04:45] <Razor-X> and yeah, "I broke my driver" isn't very descriptive
[04:46] <Razor-X> bungopolis: did you use the deb package?
[04:46] <someluser> Razor-X, true
[04:46] <someluser> Razor-X yes
[04:46] <bungopolis> Razor-X yes from the official skype repository
[04:46] <bungopolis> latest version
[04:46] <sproingie> personally i hang out here to chat with ubuntu users.  answering questions is something i do to be nice, since i ask my share as well
[04:46] <Razor-X> bungopolis: ......
[04:46] <sproingie> i certainly don't see it as my JOB
[04:46] <bungopolis> razor-X: thanks for the dots
[04:46] <Razor-X> I have a hunch about something
[04:46] <argiros> hi, new to linux, need help?  Anyone?
[04:46] <sproingie> argiros: ask
[04:47] <Razor-X> lemme Conkeror up something in a new buffer
[04:47] <Howitzer> argh
[04:47] <bddebian> argiros: Ask away
[04:47] <argiros> trying install from cd
[04:47] <Howitzer> why do distro's NEVER add the size of their distro?
[04:47] <bddebian> argiros: And?
[04:47] <argiros> but boot spins cd and stops w/ blank screen
[04:47] <coolkev> of all the linuxes i've seen out there.. vidalinux looks the best by default in my opinion
[04:48] <bddebian> argiros: Did you burn an ISO or is it an Ubuntu CD?
[04:48] <Howitzer> wtf
[04:48] <argiros> burned it in windows w/ Nero
[04:48] <someluser> Razor-X, i installed the nvidia driver from the ubuntu repo, then the one from nvidia's website because the ubuntu provided one sucked. now both are broken.
[04:48] <Howitzer> i'm having a problem with "downloader for X"
[04:48] <someluser> Razor-X, and sorry for too high expectations
[04:48] <Razor-X> someluser: ouch...
[04:48] <Howitzer> adrian@ubuntu:~$ nt
[04:48] <Howitzer> Segmentation fault
[04:48] <pax> bungopolis: using alsa with skype?
[04:48] <wolki> someluser: try reinstalling the ubuntu one
[04:48] <Razor-X> I don't think the nVidia one sucks _that_ much
[04:49] <Howitzer> nt=downloader for X
[04:49] <bddebian> argiros: Did you burn "track-at-once"?
[04:49] <someluser> Razor-X, i didn't either, but it does now
[04:49] <argiros> no, what's that?
[04:49] <mm23> hello, I have an odd problem I can't seem to figure out through google nor the ubuntu forums
[04:49] <eventualbuddha> back, after my several-hour excursion into freebsd. i hope ftp works on ubuntu...
[04:49] <Razor-X> someluser: were they both deb packages?
[04:49] <bungopolis> pax I don't know -- there is no information or configuration about sound systems in skype
[04:49] <frank> Howitzer: about your downloader for X.. I had that problem and I think I wound up compiling it it from source but I forget
[04:49] <someluser> Razor-X, no
[04:49] <Razor-X> bungopolis: I have to suggest something deprecated
[04:49] <ep> what is the difference between the driver provided by nvidia and the one from the ubuntu repo?  Aren't they both Nvidia propriertary drivers?
[04:50] <someluser> Razor-X, one was a binary
[04:50] <bungopolis> i simply have calls: /dev/dsp and ringing grayed out, which is odd
[04:50] <bob2> ep: the one in ubuntu is packaged to simply work with ubuntu
[04:50] <Razor-X> someluser: how did you install it?
[04:50] <bob2> ep: the driver itself is identical
[04:50] <Howitzer> how do you compile actually?, is that with the ./configure, make, make install?
[04:50] <someluser> Razor-X, sh nvidia.bin
[04:50] <frank> ep: Maybe the version # is different but that's it
[04:50] <bungopolis> razor-x what do you have to suggest?
[04:50] <mm23> firefox won't display text in certain tables-- it's rare, and only about 1 in 20 pages are effected, but it's definately only the ubuntu version of firefox effected by this
[04:50] <bddebian> argiros: I don't know Nero that well but in Easy-cd-creator you have the option of "disk at once" or "track at once" and I know a lot of times in burning ISOs, that if I use "disk at once" they usually fail
[04:50] <ep> ok, makes sense
[04:50] <mm23> I apologize for linking off site, but here is what I mean: http://www.meltingwax.net/mm23/images/snapshot2.png
[04:50] <wolki> Howitzer: yes
[04:50] <Razor-X> i'll have to suggest somtehing deprecated but...
[04:50] <Razor-X> check teh Ubuntu guide
[04:51] <argiros> I'll check it out, thanks bddemian
[04:51] <someluser> Razor-X,  i did
[04:51] <frank> Howitzer: yeah, find the webpage of the program and for how to do it. I THINK that's what I did but I'm sure
[04:51] <Razor-X> someluser: hmmmm....
[04:51] <wolki> Howitzer: but i suggest using checkinstall instead of make install
[04:51] <sproingie> mm23: ubuntu's version of firefox is slightly old
[04:51] <Howitzer> okay
[04:51] <bob2> Howitzer: it depends on the software, but that often works, yes
[04:51] <Razor-X> try a locate nvidia
[04:51] <mm23> the only way I can see the text is by copy and pasting it into a text editor
[04:51] <sproingie> mm23: tho afaik, they haven't made any rendering changes between the patchlevel ubuntu has and current
[04:51] <bungopolis> razor-x what is the deprecated thing you want to suggest?
[04:51] <wolki> Howitzer: you need to install the checkinstall package, but then it will create debs so you cen remove the programs easily
[04:52] <Razor-X> bungopolis: I said above "Try the Ubuntu guide"
[04:52] <weirdcreep> is there any mirc equivalent
[04:52] <weirdcreep> on ubuntu
[04:52] <someluser> Razor-X, that gives me lots of files
[04:52] <weirdcreep> but that use the mirc scripting language
[04:52] <Razor-X> weirdcreep: Xchat or KvIrc
[04:52] <bungopolis> razor-x the ubuntu guide has nothing useful apart from how to install the client
[04:52] <Razor-X> and, mIRC is horrible ;)
[04:52] <frank> !ubuntuguide
[04:52] <ubotu> hmm... ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[04:52] <Razor-X> bungopolis: and their own package
[04:52] <bddebian> XCHAT r0x j00
[04:52] <pax> bungopolis: you need to find out if esd is the cause of your problem. try this http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly (the guide is not recommanded here but it will fix your problem)
[04:52] <goldfish> weirdcreep: use irssi ! a real irc client !
[04:52] <weirdcreep> but i need the mirc scripting language
[04:52] <DukGalNamu> hey, anybody know how to make mplayer resize when switched to fullscreen mode?
[04:52] <goldfish> booooo
[04:52] <Razor-X> bddebian: erc is way better than that ;) but BitchX for something solid
[04:53] <goldfish> irssi is cool, perlscripts.
[04:53] <Razor-X> weirdcreep: so you can have bright flashing annoying colors? ;)
[04:53] <frank> DukGalNamu: change the video output thing (forget the name)
[04:53] <bddebian> Oh, you mean that Emacs everything including the kitchen sink crap? ;-)
[04:53] <someluser> Razor-X, i killed it
[04:53] <wolki> DukGalNamu: start it with --zoom
[04:53] <Razor-X> bddebian: still lighter than the same things being run in a screen session independantly ;)
[04:53] <bddebian> Heh
[04:53] <bddebian> Touche
[04:53] <sproingie> bddebian: the icon for emacs on win32 is a kitchen sink
[04:53] <Razor-X> in this day and age, we have more than enough RAM to run a nice, comfortable emacs session
[04:53] <someluser> locate gave me a bunch of useless files that belong to nvidia
[04:54] <Howitzer> adrian@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/hda
[04:54] <Howitzer> mount: mount point /media/hda does not exist
[04:54] <Razor-X> someluser: how long ago did you install nVidia's drivers?
[04:54] <sproingie> bddebian: actually i think it's a friendly looking gnu now tho
[04:54] <someluser> Razor-X, an hour ago
[04:54] <Howitzer> /dev/hda	/media/hda	auto	defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[04:54] <Razor-X> Howitzer: when you mount, it's suggested you add a mount-point
[04:54] <Razor-X> well, yeah, /media/hda doesen't exist
[04:54] <DukGalNamu> wolki: doesn'
[04:54] <Razor-X> sudo mkdir /media/hda
[04:54] <bungopolis> razor-x: performing a killall esd before running skype solved the problem -- what do you think the issue might be?
[04:55] <andrewski> i'm not on my ubuntu box ATM.  could someone find me a homepage for the Industrial (default) mouse cursors?
[04:55] <Razor-X> someluser: run 'sudo updatedb'
[04:55] <Razor-X> bungopolis: it's a sound problem
[04:55] <aarcane> lol, I love going into #bash and asking about bash.org stuff :P
[04:55] <DukGalNamu> wolki: doesn't work still, fullscreen only extends a black screen around the video
[04:55] <bungopolis> razor-x no kidding
[04:55] <Razor-X> someluser: then again run locate nvidia and paste the output in pastebin
[04:55] <Razor-X> bungopolis: well...
[04:55] <Razor-X> most likely, something else is using sound
[04:56] <Razor-X> you're taking away their focus when killing the sound daemon
[04:56] <Howitzer> ah finally
[04:56] <Razor-X> unless you have dmix support in, then it's a mystery ;)
[04:56] <someluser> Razor-X, ok, now what?
[04:56] <Razor-X> (of course, I do, heh)
[04:56] <wolki> DukGalNamu: i can remember that this worked for me back then... don't have mplayer installed curently
[04:56] <Razor-X> someluser: did you paste it on pastebin?
[04:56] <someluser> Razor-X,  paste it on what?
[04:56] <DukGalNamu> frank: can't remember at all?
[04:56] <Howitzer> wtf
[04:56] <bddebian> someluser: http://paste.ubuntu.nl
[04:57] <someluser> Razor-X, firefox says no
[04:57] <DukGalNamu> wolki: hmm... do i need an argument after --zoom? or is it a toggle?
[04:57] <wolki> DukGalNamu: i'm installing it right now
[04:57] <DukGalNamu> wolki: heh
[04:57] <Razor-X> someluser: paste it in pastebin
[04:58] <bartekp> hi
[04:58] <DukGalNamu> hello
[04:58] <someluser> Razor-X, i'm stupid, what's pastebin (the link you just gave is dead)
[04:59] <Razor-X> someluser: www.pastebin.com
[04:59] <Razor-X> or, read the topic ;)
[04:59] <frank> DukGalNamu: I think I compiled but I really don't remember , sorry
[05:00] <DukGalNamu> frank: hmm, thats alright...
[05:00] <someluser> Razor-X, what do I post there again?
[05:00] <tiglionabbit> Who's waiting for Ubuntu 7.4, the Ornery Ocelot?
[05:01] <Razor-X> someluser: anywhere
[05:01] <Razor-X> just start a new post
[05:01] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: ;(
[05:01] <Howitzer> Ornery Ocelot?
[05:01] <Howitzer> ew
[05:01] <wolki> DukGalNamu: try changing the video driver to xv
[05:01] <DekaPink> Ornery Ocelot... That's great. xD
[05:01] <Razor-X> s/\(/)/
[05:01] <coolkev> i think edubuntu is an amazing idea and thing ubuntu people are doing to help out educators
[05:01] <wolki> DukGalNamu: that works here
[05:01] <tiglionabbit> lol, I just made it up really
[05:01] <DukGalNamu> wolki: video driver?
[05:01] <Javie1> yeap !
[05:01] <Razor-X> coolkev: totally
[05:02] <wolki> in the preferences tab
[05:02] <DukGalNamu> wolki: how do  i change video drivers?
[05:02] <Javie1> _
[05:02] <tanki> sproingie, haha
[05:02] <Howitzer> argh
[05:02] <Howitzer> i have a splinter stuck in my finger
[05:02] <wolki> DukGalNamu: richt click, preferences, video
[05:02] <Howitzer> it won't come out damnit
[05:02] <sproingie> Howitzer: cut off your finger
[05:02] <Howitzer> i'll try a knife
[05:02] <DukGalNamu> wolki: i have no GUI
[05:02] <someluser> Razor-X, is that what you meant?
[05:02] <sproingie> that'll work
[05:03] <Howitzer> -_-
[05:03] <sproingie> cleaver will work better
[05:03] <wolki> DukGalNamu: ok, then with -vo xv
[05:03] <bddebian> heh
[05:03] <Howitzer> you all want me to suffer  :(
[05:03] <wolki> DukGalNamu: or --vo xv
[05:03] <sproingie> the splinter won't bother you anymore
[05:03] <Howitzer> AAAAAARGH
[05:03] <Howitzer> i just pushed it deeper in
[05:03] <wolki> DukGalNamu: i'm not used to the command line version anymore since i got a faster cpu :)
[05:03] <sproingie> blood can really gum up a keyboard tho
[05:03] <DukGalNamu> wolki: gave a pretty bad error
[05:03] <bddebian> TMI
[05:04] <aarcane> Howitzer, you suck fuck
[05:04] <Howitzer> *sick fuck
[05:04] <DekaPink> I wish I could get my video card to work properly with its actual drivers. :3
[05:04] <DukGalNamu> wolki: something about not recognizing the graphics card...
[05:04] <aarcane> Howitzer, blame the keyboard..  it's too narrow
[05:04] <sproingie> Howitzer: duct tape.  stick it on your finger, over the splinter.  rip it off.
[05:04] <Howitzer> it won't help
[05:05] <Howitzer> it's about 2mm deep in my finger
[05:05] <HrdwrBoB> Howitzer: my grandfather always uses a chisel
[05:05] <sproingie> if it's all the way under the skin, too late for you.
[05:05] <wolki> DukGalNamu: what graphics card do you have?
[05:05] <sproingie> it's just going to hurt
[05:05] <sproingie> cut your finger off
[05:05] <Howitzer> i'll hve to cut the surrounding flesh loose and wriggle it out
[05:05] <DukGalNamu> wolki: ATI radeon 9800 pro
[05:05] <Howitzer> omfg
[05:05] <wolki> official drivers?
[05:05] <Howitzer> i'm such a sick fuck
[05:05] <HrdwrBoB> if you're good with a hypodermic needle
[05:06] <HrdwrBoB> you can suck it out
[05:06] <HrdwrBoB> I've done that too
[05:06] <aarcane> sproingie, I'm glad
[05:06] <Howitzer> i hve a sore throt
[05:06] <Howitzer> *throat
[05:06] <DukGalNamu> wolki: the ones that came in apt-get
[05:06] <sproingie> if you have anbesol or something like that, stick the needle in that
[05:06] <Howitzer> i cn't speak/swallow
[05:06] <sproingie> it'll hurt a whole lot less
[05:06] <aarcane> Howitzer, erm..  usually if you just thrust back with your pelvis, it will slide out..  unless you're a kanine or something, then you're kinda fucked until it goes down..
[05:06] <tanki> my roommate is pre-med, he practices stitching on like steaks lol
[05:07] <coolkev> i don't now why a bunch of free distros come together along with those of different desktops.. to create the ultimate distro with alot of new apps and technology to make the upcomming windows look like an expensive peice of crap
[05:07] <Howitzer> tanki,  ROFL
[05:07] <DukGalNamu> tanki: i am sure he makes a good roast :P
[05:07] <tanki> i stopped sitting with him at lunch, it's too freaky
[05:07] <wolki> DukGalNamu: does it work in the gui version?
[05:07] <Howitzer> pfieuw
[05:07] <Howitzer> i got half of the splinter out
[05:07] <DukGalNamu> wolki: the GUI doesn't work cause i don't have gnome
[05:08] <wolki> DukGalNamu: the gui works without gnome
[05:08] <wolki> it's gtk1 iirc
[05:08] <DukGalNamu> wolki: well it gives me an error everytime
[05:08] <wolki> what kind of error?
[05:08] <DukGalNamu> error opening gui
[05:08] <coolkev> is it just me or does kde have better apps then gnome?
[05:08] <Howitzer> Who else is only wearing boxers?
[05:09] <someluser> Razor-X; did you want me to post the locate output?
[05:09] <bddebian> coolkev: So use kubuntu
[05:09] <calc> coolkev: depends on what you use to define better
[05:09] <wolki> coolkev: depends. i find them confuding oftentimes
[05:09] <DukGalNamu> wolki: i have to eat dinner now, i will be back in like an hour or so
[05:09] <Howitzer> coolkev, KDE has eyecandy
[05:09] <calc> coolkev: gnome apps tend to be more polished imho, but some kde apps have more features
[05:09] <coolkev> the default apps that come with kbuntu and those that come with ubuntu
[05:09] <wolki> DukGalNamu: i'll probably sleep by then, im in europe
[05:10] <gpd> wow... kompose works with gnome!
[05:10] <Howitzer> wolki, where?
[05:10] <wolki> bu i'm sure you'll find someone who cna help you, the gui version shoould work on normal x11
[05:10] <wolki> Howitzer: germany
[05:10] <Howitzer> KDE pps can be used in Gnome and Gnome apps can be used in KDE
[05:10] <calc> coolkev: the default apps that come with ubuntu does about everything that kde does as well
[05:10] <Howitzer> lol
[05:10] <wolki> gpd: it does, but starts to take lots of cpu after some time
[05:10] <calc> coolkev: perhaps with the exception of a nice cd burner app
[05:10] <Howitzer> it's 5:10 AM for you too?
[05:10] <Howitzer> OMFG
[05:10] <Howitzer> it's turning light
[05:10] <wolki> yes
[05:11] <wolki> i really should sleep
[05:11] <goldfish> nearly light in ireland too
[05:11] <Howitzer> i haven't slept the whole night without ,knowing it ffs
[05:11] <wolki> Howitzer:  where are you?
[05:11] <Howitzer> Belgium
[05:11] <coolkev> ye k3b is awesome
[05:11] <gpd> wolki: I don't care... I love expose ;)
[05:11] <AndyFitz> BAM!* join the ubuntu-art mailing list for some good 'ol rock 'n roll !
[05:11] <wolki> k3b is the first kde app i install. everytime :)
[05:11] <calc> k3b is useful but i wouldn't say its awesome
[05:11] <Howitzer> indeed
[05:11] <calc> its ui is a bit fugly
[05:11] <Howitzer> k3b owns
[05:11] <wolki> gpd: yes it's cool, but i hope it'll work better soon :)
[05:12] <Howitzer> hey
[05:12] <Howitzer> it does what it needs to do
[05:12] <pepsi> one of the archive.ubuntu.com servers is broken.. its annoying.. i had to change my repositories to 82.211.81.138 instead of just archive.ubuntu.com
[05:12] <wolki> calc: yes, but it does everything i need it to. an im used to it after using it for years :)
[05:12] <wolki> much better than xcdroast *g*
[05:12] <sproingie> k3b's ui ugly?
[05:12] <Howitzer> what is the difference between Aterm, Eterm, Gnome Terminal and Konsole?
[05:13] <tanki> Howitzer, all are terms just have different features, mostly cosmetic
[05:13] <sproingie> i think k3b's one of the prettiest apps out there
[05:13] <tanki> i like eterm the most
[05:13] <sproingie> beats crap out of nero anyway
[05:13] <wolki> aterm and eterm are lighter. gnome terminal and konsole are integrated better
[05:13] <tanki> Howitzer, did you see my animated gif
[05:13] <wolki> sproingie: yes, but it could be easier :)
[05:13] <Howitzer> but don't you have these see-trough terms?
[05:13] <calc> wolki: anything is better than xcdroast :)
[05:13] <calc> wolki: even sun cde ;)
[05:14] <tanki> Howitzer, yeah eterm does transparency and tint
[05:14] <sproingie> wolki: could use some wizards i guess
[05:14] <wolki> hey, it burns cds, and it works. it's just a pain to use :)
[05:14] <Howitzer> tanki, nope
[05:14] <sproingie> eterm does hack transparency
[05:14] <tanki> Howitzer, http://www.math.vt.edu/people/jbwillia/computer.gif
[05:14] <pepsi> so does gnome-terminal... is there a way to get a _real_ transparent terminal?
[05:14] <calc> it would be nice if there was a cloned version of nero with its extra utils like speed test program etc :)
[05:14] <wolki> after real translucency fake transparency doesn't do it for me anymore
[05:14] <sproingie> real transparency requires composite.  and composite is waaaaay slow
[05:15] <tanki> pepsi, i dont think x supports true transpancy.. i know osx does
[05:15] <goldfish> pepsi: tehre is. what graphics card u got?
[05:15] <calc> er open source, not that binary only thing nero put out
[05:15] <goldfish> tanki: xorg does.
[05:15] <wolki> sproingie: not with nvidia cards
[05:15] <pepsi> goldfish, apparently not one that wokrs
[05:15] <Howitzer> ROFL
[05:15] <Howitzer> i love the .gif
[05:15] <goldfish> pepsi: oh right :/
[05:15] <gpd> wolki: I ran from a terminal and it has lots of messages about Pixmap not available... it seems to be constantly taking shots... this seems a bit excessive... but must improve load time
[05:15] <eventualbuddha> i'm getting an MD5Sum mismatch when i try to do # apt-get insatll libsdbm-ruby1.8
[05:15] <sproingie> k3b is pretty close to nero i think
[05:15] <weirdcreep> do all sources have the auto compile thing
[05:15] <calc> sproingie: that will be resolved probably in the next 6-12mo
[05:15] <Howitzer> i'm like tht sometimes
[05:15] <sproingie> i use alcohol 120 on windows, but that's not free
[05:15] <eventualbuddha> s/insatll/install/
[05:15] <calc> sproingie: it didn't seem to be the last time i used it, but that was probably 4-6mo ago
[05:15] <wolki> sproingie: with the faster redraw thanks to the compositing it'll even feel faster
[05:16] <weirdcreep> do all sources have the auto compile thing??
[05:16] <sproingie> calc: not for ati cards
[05:16] <waianae1> wasup peoplez
[05:16] <calc> sproingie: eh you think that won't be resolved for ati cards in the next 6-12mo? :)
[05:16] <sproingie> ati is strange.  they insist on writing to an open standard, dri, but then they don't actually support anything else
[05:16] <waianae1> how is everyone
[05:16] <calc> sproingie: there is an open source accelerated r300 drive being made currently
[05:16] <wolki> gpd: yes exactly. and after a day or so it'll take 100% cpu for a few seconds everytime you switch workplaces
[05:17] <Howitzer> OMFG
[05:17] <sproingie> calc: looking at the screenshots of the r300 driver, it looks like they have a long way to go
[05:17] <Howitzer> AT LAST
[05:17] <Howitzer> i got the splinter out
[05:17] <sproingie> calc: wasn't one without massive screen corruption
[05:17] <calc> sproingie: where are the shots?
[05:17] <quidam> how i can see internet tv on ubuntu???
[05:17] <andrewski> which package installs the default mouse cursors?
[05:17] <coolkev> i like the kde control center.. does gnome have one?
[05:17] <calc> sproingie: aiui now it runs games fully accel with no corruption
[05:17] <sproingie> calc: !
[05:17] <sproingie> very cool
[05:17] <calc> sproingie: but to be used in Xegl it still needs work
[05:18] <bungopolis> razor-x -- I fixed my skype problem by simply changing auto_spawn = 0 to 1 in /etc/esound/esd.conf
[05:18] <calc> http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/xorg/2005-May/007939.html
[05:18] <Howitzer> coolkev, Gnome doesn't have that :(
[05:18] <Howitzer> hehe
[05:18] <Howitzer> i'm downloading Minislack now
[05:18] <calc> coolkev: it has something similiar under system preferences and administration
[05:18] <Howitzer> see how that goes
[05:19] <textim> I feel like a big ole pimp using XP, Ubuntu makes me feel small and helpless.
[05:19] <calc> coolkev: but it doesn't look like kde
[05:19] <coolkev> ohh it's not intergrated into one window
[05:20] <eric> hi, an audio conversor , from WMA to ogg/mp3 or anything "open"
[05:20] <wolki> textim: you'll get used to it. and then you can pimp double :)
[05:21] <coolkev> eric you can run dB poweramp music convertor under wine
[05:21] <coolkev> thats the only method i know of converting wmas
[05:21] <wolki> eric: mp3 is not really open
[05:21] <Howitzer> crap my finger hurts :(
[05:21] <Howitzer> btw
[05:21] <eric> wolki: you re right sure
[05:22] <aarcane> Howitzer, did you at least get pictures of the days fiasco
[05:22] <glick> hey is ubuntu really the most popular linux distro in the world right now?
[05:22] <aarcane> ?
[05:22] <Howitzer> is there a way you convert .wav's into .mp3's?
[05:22] <wolki> eric: but you can use mplayer to extract them to wavs then encode them to ogg/mp3
[05:22] <Burgundavia> glick, getting there
[05:22] <textim> I hope so, I can't even install java jdk, I've tried several walkthroughs but they all fall short.
[05:22] <Howitzer> aarcane, of the what?
[05:22] <aarcane> glick, no, gentoo is..  but ubuntu is the most popular complete newbie distro
[05:22] <wolki> eric: there's a script on the forums that does that, iirc
[05:22] <miguellinux> Hi, I need some help with Ubuntu as firewall
[05:22] <coolkev> ubuntu is most popular on distrowatch
[05:22] <eric> Howitzer: lame ?
[05:22] <aarcane> Howitzer, of the whole sex thing..  it was kinky
[05:22] <Howitzer> what sex thing?
[05:22] <Howitzer> oooooooh
[05:22] <CHaiNS> anybody using prelink?
[05:22] <Howitzer> about the booty?
[05:22] <eric> miguellinux: there are firestarter for ubuntu
[05:23] <miguellinux> eric, thanks but is installed as "server"
[05:23] <Howitzer> that lovely booty *drewl*
[05:23] <aarcane> Howitzer, you said you couldn't get it out and such..  I was like WTF at first..  but if you got pictures of her..  I'll forgive ya ^,.,^
[05:23] <eric> ah, ok
[05:23] <Howitzer> wooooooow
[05:23] <wolki> textim: have you tried the wiki versions? you can just add a repo in synaptic to install it
[05:23] <Howitzer> you mixed things up a bit
[05:23] <miguellinux> I run a script that works en Fedora crap.. but not in Ubuntu
[05:23] <Howitzer> i couldn't get my SPLINTER out :D
[05:23] <Burgundavia> aarcane, I seriously doubt if gentoo has more installed users than ubuntu right now
[05:23] <Howitzer> i had a splinter in my finger
[05:24] <blmartin777> What is the best peer to peer software to use
[05:24] <Howitzer> kazaa under wine
[05:24] <eric> i use azareus with bittorrent protocol
[05:24] <Howitzer> http://members.shaw.ca/seggoftheyear/Image20.jpg
[05:24] <Howitzer> seriously
[05:24] <goldfish> eh kazaa sucks.
[05:25] <eric> wine are working decentlyP?
[05:25] <miguellinux> There are problems to forward port 25???
[05:25] <calc> glick: yes, look at distrowatch
[05:25] <goldfish> azureus + torrents !!
[05:25] <calc> glick: its most popular by 50-100% last i checked
[05:25] <HrdwrBoB> Howitzer: not here
[05:25] <goldfish> aarcane: are u taking the piss in #bash ? :)
[05:25] <Howitzer> eek
[05:25] <eric> giFT /(openFT, gnutella, FrasTrack
[05:25] <Howitzer> i downloaded over 162mb today
[05:25] <goldfish> thats nothing :)
[05:25] <aarcane> goldfish, I've been banned because my girlfriend went in there earlier talking it
[05:25] <tfort> damnit, why does it always ask for the Ubuntu Release i386 cd
[05:25] <goldfish> aarcane: haha
[05:26] <goldfish> aarcane: sure!
[05:26] <calc> hits for past month on distrowatch:  2324 ubuntu 1281 fedora 1129 mandriva
[05:26] <aarcane> goldfish, we share usernames on IRC, lol
[05:26] <tfort> is there anyway to completely take the cd out ?
[05:26] <frank> tfort: take it out of your sources.list
[05:26] <calc> so nearly 2x the second distro
[05:26] <tfort> frank, thanks
[05:26] <Howitzer> goldfish, it is when you have a 10gb/mo bandwith cap :(
[05:26] <eric> swinger nicknames rlz
[05:26] <Howitzer> damn
[05:26] <wolki> night
[05:27] <Howitzer> i think that throat-medicine is keeping me up
[05:27] <Howitzer> EEK
[05:27] <Howitzer> it's light outside :/
[05:27] <aarcane> anyway, I'm off to windows and webcam..  be back tomorrow nightish
[05:27] <eventualbuddha> if i can't get stuff to install using apt-get, should i dl and compile by hand?
[05:27] <miguellinux> Any help about how to correct a X config that shows the screen 2 inchs moved to the rigth?
[05:27] <pepsi> Howitzer: get the stuff with dextromethorphan in it and drink the whole bottle.. make sure theres no tylenol though
[05:27] <Howitzer> aarcane, don't leave us :(
[05:27] <pepsi> ;)
[05:27] <miguellinux> xvidtune not works
[05:27] <Howitzer> pepsi, , will that malke pepsi? *g*
[05:27] <textim> wolki: wow, thx, just the help I needed. It seems that the small things keep hanging me up.
[05:27] <Howitzer> *make
[05:28] <aarcane> Howitzer, lol, I have a chance to get a fine chick naked on webcam..  and what's more, she wants to move here when she's got the money ;)
[05:28] <pepsi> Howitzer: not quite
[05:28] <Howitzer> OMFG
[05:28] <aarcane> Howitzer, lol
[05:28] <Nest0R> alguno que hable castellano?
[05:28] <Howitzer> aarcane, , do you know the pornsite mikesappartemene?
[05:28] <aarcane> Howitzer, I'ma /notice you some place..  you should go chill there
[05:28] <Howitzer> *mikesappartement
[05:28] <Howitzer> damn
[05:29] <Howitzer> i need a social life
[05:29] <Burgundavia> aarcane, Howitzer please find another venue for this discussion
[05:29] <aarcane> Burgundavia, that's why I sent him the /notice and /invite :)
[05:29] <Belutz> hai guys... i'm installing ubuntu now, can someone provide help?
[05:29] <andrewski> where do i install mouse cursors system-wide?
[05:29] <dylan_> any linux distros better than ubuntu>
[05:29] <dylan_> ???
[05:29] <mkrenz> When I tried to install ssmtp from Synaptic, it told me that Ubuntu-base was to be removed.  Is that right?
[05:29] <pepsi> dylan_: this is a bad place to ask
[05:29] <crimsun> dylan_: pretty odd question. Why not try others? :)
[05:30] <blmartin777> eric: I can't seem to get gift to work
[05:30] <andrewski> dylan_: compare for yourself on distrowatch.
[05:30] <andrewski> hey crimsun.
[05:30] <Burgundavia> dylan_, depends on what you want
[05:30] <crimsun> 'lo, andrewski
[05:30] <Howitzer> i'm going to visit this channel more
[05:30] <Howitzer> it's got the wickedest nice people i've ever encountered
[05:30] <TheWang> Howitzer: isn't it scary?
[05:31] <Howitzer> nope
[05:31] <TheWang> heh
[05:31] <Howitzer> i'm wicked tbh
[05:31] <Howitzer> stupid autism :<
[05:31] <TheWang> i've become jaded by the internets and find the ubuntu community almost disgustingly nice
[05:31] <eric> blmartin777: why?
[05:31] <dylan_> thanks everybody!  this is the best channel ever!
[05:32] <weirdcreep> i lve u
[05:32] <Howitzer> TheWang, Linux communities have the point of being very nice
[05:32] <ColonelKernel> TheWang, I like the ubuntu community - the other ones tend to be dominated by bipolar bullying types.
[05:32] <blmartin777> I don't know
[05:32] <eric> haha
[05:32] <ColonelKernel> #debian is really bad
[05:32] <blmartin777> How do I set hosts
[05:32] <TheWang> of all the linux communities ubuntu is definately the most down to earth
[05:33] <ColonelKernel> #fedora is a little bit better, depending on who is in channel
[05:33] <ColonelKernel> but ubuntu is nice and pleasant
[05:33] <TheWang> my friend seth and i both tried ubuntu out around the same time and the community both caught our eye strait off
[05:33] <blmartin777> eric: I guess I am not sure how to set it up
[05:33] <eric> etno-tecno
[05:33] <Nest0R> alguno que hable espaol y que me pueda ayudar con un tema de iptables?
[05:34] <blmartin777> what is etno-tecno
[05:34] <ColonelKernel> maybe #ubuntu-es?
[05:34] <Belutz> what is the ideal space for /swap ??
[05:34] <calc> ColonelKernel: nobody should use the #debian channel its always been bad
[05:34] <CHaiNS> #fedora sux that anvil guy is an asshole
[05:34] <crimsun> that calc dude is super-evil
[05:34] <calc> ColonelKernel: debian doesn't control it either (last i knew)
[05:34] <eric> blmartin777: in .giFT/giftd.conf you must setup the options
[05:34] <ColonelKernel> calc, its an abuse channel masquerading as a support channel - freenode could care less too.
[05:35] <CHaiNS> how he ever got ops in a help channel boggles my mind
[05:35] <Nest0R> alguno que hable espaol y que me pueda ayudar con un tema de iptables? porifs
[05:35] <calc> ColonelKernel: heh
[05:35] <blmartin777> is there a guide for that
[05:35] <eric> Nest0R: anda a #ubuntu-es o pregunta en ingles. go to #ubuntu-es or ask in english
[05:35] <emist> hey, anyone awake?
[05:36] <glick> quieras a ir a #ubuntu-es
[05:36] <Belutz> anyone can read my question?
[05:36] <weirdcreep> i know spanish
[05:36] <Nest0R> si, pero alli no saben aydarme, no saben lo que necesito :(
[05:36] <weirdcreep> i can help
[05:36] <eric> Belutz: say it
[05:36] <weirdcreep> i know spanish
[05:36] <Razor-X> weirdcreep: you're not allowed to speak Spanish in this channel
[05:36] <eric> Nest0R: pregunta
[05:36] <reka> weirdcreep: then /msg him
[05:36] <drcode> I install mixxx software in my ubuntu
[05:36] <weirdcreep> Nest0R dime que pasa
[05:36] <emist> i got some odd 3d acceleration problem guys
[05:36] <Belutz> eric: what is the ideal space for /swap ??
[05:36] <Burgundavia> Razor-X, that is little strong. We prefer if you don't
[05:36] <Nest0R> sucede que tengo un firewall y no redirecciona los paquetes :s
[05:36] <Burgundavia> Belutz, depneds on your ram
[05:36] <drcode> thay say that I can use alsa
[05:37] <Burgundavia> Nest0R, please take it to #ubuntu-es
[05:37] <drcode> but alsa is installed
[05:37] <eric> in the past were the double amount of ram
[05:37] <drcode> any one play with mixxx?
[05:37] <Belutz> Burgundavia: my RAM is 512mb
[05:37] <eric> now is suggested a minor ammount
[05:37] <Razor-X> Burgundavia: well, I thought it was, no non-English languages allowed in the channel
[05:37] <Burgundavia> Belutz, I have half my ram, but I have 1 gig
[05:37] <Burgundavia> Razor-X, strongly discouraged
[05:37] <eric> i have 1 giga of ram and i have 700 to swp
[05:37] <Howitzer> damn
[05:37] <Howitzer> i have a problem
[05:37] <Razor-X> holy jeebus....
[05:37] <Razor-X> ;)
[05:38] <Razor-X> I have 256 MB of RAM, and a .5 GB swap ;)
[05:38] <Belutz> ok thx...
[05:38] <Howitzer> my dad is going to wake up any second but i'm in the middle of downloading Minislack
[05:38] <calc> Howitzer: tell him its porn
[05:38] <Razor-X> Howitzer: ouch?
[05:38] <Howitzer> -_-
[05:38] <DonL> eric,  I've heard that the 1.5 rule only holds up to a certain point, then it's not necessary
[05:38] <eric> pr0n
[05:38] <goldfish> DonL: That's true.
[05:38] <glick> hey if saturday i tell a chick to come to my bbq the next saturday, and she says yeah sure call me! is it ok if i call her friday afternoon the day before the bbq
[05:38] <Howitzer> my dad converted me to Linux in the first place :D
[05:38] <eric> DonL: i think idem
[05:38] <calc> DonL: for suspend you need a certain percentage (i don't recall how much though)
[05:38] <emist> I got direct rendering enabled and the proper driver installed, everything seems to be in order but i still get 400 fps and games run very slow, does anyone have any idea whats wrong?
[05:39] <goldfish> Alot of ppl suggest there is no need for swap at all these days.
[05:39] <DonL> calc, I heard that too
[05:39] <crimsun> emist: glxinfo|grep direct
[05:39] <Razor-X> goldfish: you must be joking?
[05:39] <Razor-X> Howitzer: my dad, on the other hand, hates Linux
[05:39] <emist> crimsun: direct rendering: Yes
[05:39] <eric> emist: you are luckier, i do not have dri enabled, (S3 Unichrome) and my fps is around 120
[05:39] <Howitzer> Razor-X, aren't you on the devteam? Oo
[05:39] <goldfish> Razor-X: Nah, I know someone who wrote an article about it.
[05:39] <Howitzer> (of DSL)
[05:39] <reka> emist: what card?
[05:39] <Razor-X> Howitzer: hoping to join soon
[05:39] <goldfish> Razor-X: he believes it anyway :)
[05:40] <Razor-X> goldfish: haha, yeah
[05:40] <Howitzer> Razor-X, what do you actually do?
[05:40] <emist> reka, the intel one 82852/855GM
[05:40] <Howitzer> i mean
[05:40] <emist> eric, at least you know where the problem is
[05:40] <Howitzer> how do you code a distro? Oo
[05:40] <emist> :(
[05:40] <reka> emist: onboard graphics?
[05:40] <emist> yeah
[05:40] <Razor-X> Howitzer: help on this channel, learn Calculus, make game/book stories, read
[05:40] <reka> emist: that's why
[05:41] <emist> ?
[05:41] <eventualbuddha> i just installed hoary with the server option. how do i add dev tools so that i can compile ruby?
[05:41] <Razor-X> eventualbuddha: sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[05:41] <pepsi> eventualbuddha: install build-essential
[05:41] <Howitzer> calcul?us? Oo
[05:41] <bddebian> eventualbuddha: apt-get install build-essentials
[05:41] <reka> emist: what games are you trying to run?
[05:41] <bddebian> Damnit, beat again
[05:41] <eventualbuddha> thanks guys
[05:41] <emist> reka, any game, not only that even some screen savers slow to a crawl
[05:41] <reka> abuild-essential
[05:42] <reka> *build-essential
[05:42] <eventualbuddha> couldn't find package build-essentials
[05:42] <crimsun> eventualbuddha: sudo aptitude install build-essential && sudo apt-get build-dep ruby1.8
[05:42] <Razor-X> Howitzer: yeah, Calculus ;)
[05:42] <emist> its like 3d accel is not enabled even though it is
[05:42] <IIIEars> "build-essential" i think it is...
[05:42] <Howitzer> hmmm
[05:42] <Howitzer> is it a coding-language?
[05:42] <reka> emist: it's onboard graphics...what to you expect?
[05:42] <DonL> emist, try glx-gears and see what you get
[05:42] <reka> *what do you
[05:42] <eventualbuddha> crimsun: thanks. i tried installing ruby and related libraries via apt-get but it kept giving md5sum mismatch errors
[05:43] <emist> reka, i can run the same game very nicely in other os, im pretty sure its not the hardware
[05:43] <Burgundavia> eventualbuddha, change from the us repos
[05:43] <crimsun> eventualbuddha: use a non-US mirror
[05:43] <emist> DonL, i get approx 400 fps while not running anything except desktop
[05:43] <reka> emist: what game?
[05:43] <IIIEars> emist - wine or cedega?
[05:43] <emist> reka, nwn, its around 3 years old
[05:43] <pepsi> crimsun: can you confirm that one of the archive.ubuntu.com servers is down?
[05:43] <emist> IIIEars, neither, they ported it to linux
[05:43] <DonL> emist, that seems slow
[05:43] <reka> emist: how are you running it?
[05:44] <IIIEars> emist - ah okay.
[05:44] <reka> ah
[05:44] <eventualbuddha> k, changed us.archive to archive
[05:44] <reka> nm
[05:44] <IIIEars> << - UT - UT2k4  fan
[05:44] <emist> the thing is i had the same symptoms on another box which of course went away when i got 3d accel working
[05:44] <DonL> mine topped out at 3413 fps
[05:45] <emist> which is just weird
[05:45] <Razor-X> IIIEars: pwnz all ;)
[05:45] <pepsi> crimsun: archive.ubuntu.com resolves to 82.211.81.151 and 82.211.81.138, but .151 is borked.. and at least for me, synaptic only wants to use .151
[05:45] <emist> hehehe nice DonL :)
[05:45] <Howitzer> adrian@ubuntu:~$ glxgears
[05:45] <Howitzer> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:45] <Howitzer> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[05:45] <Howitzer> Oo
[05:45] <Razor-X> UT is just incomparable, teh speed which you need to play UT is much faster than any other FPS out there
[05:45] <crimsun> pepsi: you can hard-code in /etc/hosts
[05:45] <Razor-X> it takes much more skill than other FPS games, IMO
[05:45] <pepsi> crimsun: i just used the working IP for my repositories
[05:45] <hybrid_goth> anyone here use a psp with linux
[05:45] <IIIEars> Razor-X - pwnz? - the man in the middle syn flood for UT - UT2k4? - grin
[05:46] <pepsi> scary though that us.archive is dead and now half of archive is too
[05:46] <Howitzer> UT is the most fast-paced shooter there is
[05:46] <glick> hehe my household is ms free
[05:46] <drcode> what is oss or jack audio , how I config them?
[05:46] <Howitzer> you need SERIOUS reflexes for it :x
[05:46] <eventualbuddha> YAY
[05:46] <eventualbuddha> ruby -v!!!
[05:46] <eventualbuddha> :D
[05:46] <DonL> glick, only a third of my household is
[05:46] <crimsun> drcode: oss is another api/backend, like alsa.
[05:46] <HrdwrBoB> UT2k4 is very fast yeah
[05:46] <crimsun> drcode: esound runs on top of oss or alsa.
[05:46] <drcode> how I load oss
[05:47] <glick> DonL, yeah all the other people i live with use linux too
[05:47] <crimsun> drcode: jack, similar to esound in this layer hierarchy, runs on top of oss or alsa.
[05:47] <glick> all the servers in my house run linux
[05:47] <IIIEars> Must be the last on the planet to just finish Farcry - the game is a must have.
[05:47] <drcode> I have esound card
[05:47] <DonL> glick, did you talk them into it, or did they do it on their own?
[05:47] <crimsun> drcode: you shouldn't need to change to oss from alsa unless it's an extreme case.
[05:47] <glick> DonL, they used linux when i met them
[05:47] <DonL> cool
[05:47] <drcode> I want to run mixxx software
[05:47] <drcode> it uses jack or oss
[05:48] <DonL> I don't have any humans around here to talk Linux to. I'm by myself
[05:48] <glick> their CEs and EEs
[05:48] <drcode> thay say it work with alsa but no lac
[05:48] <drcode> k
[05:48] <crimsun> drcode: so install jackd from universe, run it (read the documentation!), and run mixxx on top of jack
[05:48] <drcode> k
[05:48] <crimsun> drcode: afaik it does work with alsa directly, too
[05:48] <drcode> I willl try
[05:50] <drcode> the playback device "hw:0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again
[05:50] <drcode> cannot load driver module alsa
[05:50] <crimsun> drcode: esd is still running, probably
[05:50] <drcode> esd is like jack?
[05:50] <crimsun> esd is esound
[05:50] <bddebian> OK I'm slacking
[05:50] <drcode> k
[05:50] <drcode> I kill it
[05:51] <glick> does ubuntu have th w32codecs package?
[05:51] <drcode> k
[05:51] <drcode> thanx
[05:51] <crimsun> glick: no, but debian-marillat does.
[05:51] <bddebian> Only in backports I think glick
[05:51] <drcode> it now seems to work
[05:51] <drcode> where can I find esd module?
[05:51] <Burgundavia> glick, hoary-extras, part of the backports project
[05:51] <crimsun> drcode: err, for what?
[05:52] <Razor-X> drcode: why do you need esd?
[05:52] <drcode> I dont know from where it load
[05:53] <drcode> I think by default
[05:53] <Howitzer> glick: sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[05:53] <qt2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//SettingUpSamba <- anyone have an idea why i dont have the 'windows networking' stuff under the general tab? samba IS installed...
[05:53] <crimsun> drcode: yes, gnome loads it by default.
[05:53] <elmagozizou> Hy, does any one use synaptic package manager here?
[05:53] <Howitzer> EEK
[05:53] <goldfish> lots
[05:53] <Howitzer> i'm getting fat
[05:54] <Ride> elmagozizou, many people do
[05:54] <DonL> elmagozizou, I certainly do
[05:54] <glick> im still kina hesitant about installing ubuntu
[05:54] <bddebian> qt2: General Tab?
[05:54] <elmagozizou> Does any one use synaptic here..I have a question
[05:54] <nomasteryoda> glick, Y?
[05:54] <DonL> snap
[05:54] <bwlang> elmagozizou: just ask... if people know they might answer
[05:54] <qt2> bddebian, "System -> Administration -> Networking" "You will need the General tab, in the middle."
[05:54] <IIIEars> elmag, - synaptic question?
[05:55] <glick> nomasteryoda, last time i tried it i had some issues with it with my firewire drive, althought in the live cd those issues seem to have been resolved
[05:55] <qt2> bddebian, i'm refrencing that wiki article.
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> glick, you mean warty?
[05:56] <DonL> maybe elmagozizou lost his connection
[05:56] <glick> also i have this debian system set up i dont want to have to reinstall if it doesnt work out
[05:56] <bddebian> qt2: Hmm, I don't have them either.  Let me look at that wiki
[05:56] <glick> nomasteryoda, yeah
[05:56] <glick> nomasteryoda, no hoary
[05:56] <IIIEars> elmago - went pfft. - shrug
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> hoary is much improved
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> glick, what are you using now?
[05:56] <glick> im sure it was hoary
[05:56] <glick> nomasteryoda, debian etch
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:57] <glick> ?
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> well, you can tweak hoary with some breezy... i did it for the i855resolution app
[05:57] <DonL> glick, so you want to upgrade it to hoary?
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> on my laptop
[05:57] <glick> DonL, no i was gonna install it on my laptop
[05:58] <DonL> fresh install???
[05:58] <drcode> my only problem is midi failed
[05:58] <drcode> /dev/midi
[05:58] <glick> DonL, yeah
[05:58] <bddebian> qt2: I don't have that either.  However, you shouldn't need it to configure Samba
[05:58] <crimsun> drcode: you need to: sudo modprobe snd_seq
[05:58] <IIIEars> glick - grub install to the same hd as a current windows install works nicely. - it seems everything else needs a tweak. the  display is easy to configure with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and lspci
[05:58] <DonL> Should be no problem. It's the most no problem distro I've ever seen
[05:58] <drcode> I Will try
[05:58] <drcode> it
[05:58] <Ride> does anyone know how to go about setting up an IRC server? more specifically for an intranet?
[05:59] <glick> yaeah i been running the live CD and once i boot the live CD even though its slow as hell i keep it running all day
[05:59] <glick> hehe
[05:59] <qt2> bddebian, heh, i see... i'm trying to figure out how exactly to set up windows-esqe file and printer sharing between two ubuntu boxes. :P
[05:59] <drcode> still midi failed
[05:59] <drcode> /dev/midi
[05:59] <Jimbob> Ride: You may be better off setting up a private Jabber server
[05:59] <crimsun> drcode: lsmod|grep ^snd_seq_oss
[05:59] <glick> but i dont kow if the liveCD is gonna be different from the installed version or what
[05:59] <drcode> MidiObjectOSS: Open of MIDI device /dev/midi failed.
[06:00] <DonL> I couldn't fix someone's windows box, and gave them the live cd to get them by. They still haven't turned it off after a month
[06:00] <IIIEars> glick - they are very much the same
[06:00] <Ride> Jimbob: is Jabber similar to this? and can be used from Winderrrs?
[06:00] <drcode> snd_seq_oss            30080  0
[06:00] <Jimbob> Ride: Jabber is like a cross between IRC and AIM.
[06:00] <drcode> I dont use oss
[06:00] <drcode> I Use alsa and jack
[06:00] <crimsun> drcode: doesn't matter
[06:00] <glick> hey would it be weird if i email a chick and invite her to my bbq even though she said to call her? but i lost my phone
[06:00] <bddebian> qt2: You can always edit /etc/samba/smb.conf manually or install the web based admin tool
[06:00] <Ride> Jimbob: hmm. thanks. I will go take a peek at it
[06:00] <Jimbob> Ride: People get their own accounts, e.g. "JamesCape@jabber.org", and you can send IMs to people, or start multi-user-chats
[06:01] <Howitzer> 26minutes untill Minislack
[06:01] <IIIEars> glick - if you use a wireless card for internet check out the wiki your card may be one that needs an ndis wrapper
[06:01] <DonL> glick,  depends on if she likes you, but I digress
[06:01] <Ride> Jimbob: thanks.
[06:01] <glick> IIIEars, i had no wireless problems
[06:01] <glick> DonL, i think she does
[06:01] <DonL> go for it
[06:01] <IIIEars> glick - installing it is simple but you will need a 'net connection
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> glick, consider yourself lucky on the wifi then
[06:02] <Zerboxx> IIIEars: Where can I see this list of which need the ndis wrapper?
[06:02] <glick> IIIEars, yeah my internet worked fine
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> Zerboxx, it's on the ndiswrapper.sf.net site ...
[06:02] <IIIEars> Zeroboxx - not too sure - let's interogate ubotu
[06:02] <IIIEars> !ndiswrapper
[06:02] <ubotu> I heard ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[06:02] <Zerboxx> heh I'm already there :D
[06:03] <jorgp2> anyone ever heard of a dynex e201 pcmcia wireless card?
[06:03] <nickrud> IIIEars, that's an interesting word :)
[06:03] <IIIEars> wow hit it first time. - lol
[06:03] <Zerboxx> I'm setting up ubuntu on a friends computer, and they have a usb wireless, which needs ndiswrapper, not sure how to go about setting it up, but I'll go through the wiki's
[06:03] <p> hello everyone... i need some help with installing Ubuntu on usb drive. someone willing to help?
[06:04] <IIIEars> ubotu wifi
[06:04] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[06:04] <bddebian> p: Yes, don't install on a USB drive :-)
[06:04] <nickrud> as an aside, I now understand why everyone says to get an external modem
[06:04] <p> bddebian: it is the only possibility rightnow... :-(((
[06:05] <DonL> nickrud, what one were you trying to use?
[06:05] <qt2> bddebian, do i need that?
[06:05] <nickrud> DonL, I got it working, it's a lucent version. It's just a pain, and the install docs I got where not 'quite' right
[06:06] <DonL> nickrud, so what seems to be the problem?
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> nickrud, well what model?
[06:07] <nickrud> DonL, well, linmodems/techion/packages/ltmodem/kernel-2.6/ubuntu-install.html was close, but not quite. But, I am using the darn thing now.
[06:07] <Computer__Guru> FEAR NOT, for I have returned
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> well, that's good you got it working
[06:07] <DekaPink> So far I haven't been able to get any of my friends on Ubuntu. :(
[06:07] <DekaPink> Bah!
[06:07] <pax> DekaPink: tell them it comes with pr0n
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> DekaPink, people are funny about switching
[06:07] <Computer__Guru> lol
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[06:08] <nickrud> nomasteryoda, I had to actually compile something, thereby violating a promise to myself ;)
[06:08] <Computer__Guru> it's hard to get people to want to learn something new
[06:08] <Zerboxx> It does?! :P
[06:08] <DekaPink> I got my friend on Fedora once... lol
[06:08] <DonL> nickrud, it's been a few years since I used a modem, but I remember there being problems then. I ended up buying new ones just to get it working.
[06:08] <Computer__Guru> i'd bet about 60% of us or better are here and on ubuntu out of years of frustration and limitations with windows
[06:08] <DekaPink> Back before I knew Ubuntu existed... Except neither of us really knew anything.
[06:08] <nickrud> DonL, I'll be buying an external tomorrow.
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> Computer__Guru, nice long name
[06:09] <DekaPink> I've just had lots of growing antiwindows feelings for a while. o.O
[06:09] <Computer__Guru> ty
[06:09] <calc> winxp isn't all that bad, i'm surprised people still swtich due to hating windows now
[06:09] <Computer__Guru> it's my yahoo id
[06:09] <p> so, once again. can somebody help me to install ubuntu on usb drive? please!
[06:09] <DekaPink> There are only two programs right now I really wish were on linux~
[06:09] <Zerboxx> The only thing keeping me with some windows is my printer, but that'll be taken care of once I swap it with a friends
[06:09] <calc> back during win3.1-me time windows really did suck
[06:09] <DonL> nickrud, I found that US Robotics made an internal one that worked for me back then.
[06:09] <Computer__Guru> ya i gotta say xp pro is nice
[06:10] <vladanian>      /msg nickserv set hide email on
[06:10] <pax> windoz will always suck as long as you'll have to pay for it.
[06:10] <Computer__Guru> of
[06:10] <calc> i like linux better than windows, but winxp except for the whole virus/spyware issue isn't really bad enough to create the kind of hate that win3.1-me with its constant crashes did ;)
[06:10] <DekaPink> Yeah, god knows how much they'll charge for longhorn.
[06:10] <nickrud> DonL, I have a zoom isa in the other machine. I didn't realize just how good I had it.
[06:10] <pax> Computer__Guru: what was your address again? (jk)
[06:11] <pepsi> ? windows3.1 was great!
[06:11] <jimr> its free on the torrents
[06:11] <calc> i still recall win98 crashing on me multiple times a day at work
[06:11] <DonL> My better half runs XP and I have to say that except for picking up Trojans, Worms and Viruses, it seems to be fairly trouble free. Cough cough. Hard for me to say that
[06:11] <DekaPink> If only I could get TMPGenc to work in wine... I'd be a happy button.
[06:11] <Computer__Guru> longhorn will be almost entirely xml based.. that'll actually be kinda nice
[06:11] <nickrud> lol, I just booted xp for the first time today
[06:11] <DekaPink> ... and maybe VCDeasy.
[06:11] <calc> pepsi: win3.1 sucked so much i just stuck to using dos ;)
[06:11] <pepsi> heh
[06:11] <DonL> nickrud, don't know about zoom
[06:11] <p> hello! some Ubuntu realated help needed. anyone?
[06:12] <pepsi> p: dont ask to ask, first ask to ask to ask, or else
[06:12] <DonL> My son runs '98 and I've never seen such a magnet for junk
[06:12] <nickrud> DonL, probably the same as your us robotics, just address it as a serial port.
[06:12] <eno__> would someone please tell me the switch for mounting an ntfs drive as read only
[06:12] <eno__> is it -t ntfs -ro?
[06:12] <pepsi> isnt ntfs readonly anyhow?
[06:12] <calc> eno__: probably -o ro
[06:12] <qt2> bddebian, all i want is for the other computer to be able to access the printer really, and perhaps browse the other computer in
[06:12] <Computer__Guru> i have a packard bell 486sx25 that still runs win3.11 for workgroups
[06:12] <DonL> nickrud, my modem was internal on an ISA slot
[06:12] <p> hey. I need to install Ubuntu on a bootable USB drive.
[06:13] <Computer__Guru> been running since 1993 or so (not constantly, but its on every day)
[06:13] <hondje> Computer__Guru: :o Your packard bell lasted longer than 6 months?! :o
[06:13] <hondje> You really ARE a guru
[06:13] <nickrud> DonL, the same
[06:13] <DonL> Ahh. Ok
[06:13] <Computer__Guru> i had to replace the original 40mb hdd
[06:13] <Computer__Guru> it died
[06:13] <ep> On apt-get install I'm getting Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu... MD5Sum mismatch unable to fetch...  How can I correct this?
[06:13] <Computer__Guru> but i had a 60mb to put in it
[06:13] <hondje> !usrepos
[06:13] <ubotu> [usrepos]  if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:13] <vladanian> ep, you take out the us from the repo address
[06:14] <Computer__Guru> ep: change all your us.archive and us.security entries to drop the us.
[06:14] <vladanian> yeah
[06:14] <jimr> when i try to look at the repository list in synaptic is just reloads the package list. anyone ever had that happen
[06:14] <vladanian> What's up with that, anyway?
[06:14] <nickrud> heh, us has become such a problem that ubotu knows about it :)
[06:14] <hondje> I dunno
[06:14] <ep> also
[06:14] <hondje> it's been like that for a long time,
[06:14] <Computer__Guru> lazy packagers?
[06:14] <bddebian> qt2: There might be a better way but I'm probably not the one to ask unfortunately
[06:14] <vladanian> That's lame
[06:14] <hondje> like, going on a month
[06:14] <hondje> yeah
[06:14] <blmartin777> can somebody here help me with the giftui I am getting this when trying to start .. No host to connect /apps/giftui/daemon/host
[06:15] <vladanian> I'd like to see torrent-based repos
[06:15] <hondje> why on earth?
[06:15] <vladanian> I know there's a package for it, but I think the project's dead
[06:15] <vladanian> General sweetness, mainly
[06:15] <DonL> p, just so you don't feel ignored, I don't know about installing on USB
[06:15] <hondje> I don't want to upload
[06:15] <vladanian> But load balancing
[06:15] <Computer__Guru> Torrenix
[06:15] <vladanian> That everyone shares in
[06:16] <nickrud> what sucks, is I put hoary on a measly 5gb partition while on dsl, and told aptitude to not save the debs; now, I'm on a dialup, I have a new computer, and don't have the debs I downloaded ;(
[06:16] <hondje> that's just asking for a mitm to screw things up
[06:16] <Computer__Guru> torrent based package management linux.. it'll finish installing in 3 - 5 days, depending on your outbound connection
[06:16] <p> :-) it's ok... it seems like the channel should change the name to "my Windows experience"
[06:16] <hondje> bittorrent has its uses....like, two of them
[06:16] <nickrud> getting hoary, and ?
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> pr0n
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:16] <Zerboxx> lol
[06:16] <nickrud> lol
[06:16] <hondje> giving hoary :)
[06:16] <vladanian> Well, I'd like to see it -- sometimes mirrors go down
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> ah, yea that too
[06:17] <hondje> nomasteryoda: usenet man
[06:17] <vladanian> And there's the backports project
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> hondje, true
[06:17] <vladanian> Their mirrors are often jacked
[06:17] <hondje> You're no spring chicken :)
[06:17] <nickrud> ah, when I had dsl, I uploaded the equiv of 2 hoarys
[06:17] <DekaPink> My totem won't even open a DVD now... It's just like "Unexpected error status 8192 while mounting /media/cdrom1"
[06:17] <hondje> I tried bittorrent like once
[06:17] <Computer__Guru> pr0nix - comes with a web browser, a box of tissues, a bottle of jergins lotion, and free membership to www.webyoung.com
[06:17] <hondje> I realized it was pointless
[06:17] <hondje> almost as bad as those other p2ps
[06:17] <vladanian> Nice, be sure to send me the subscription login
[06:18] <vladanian> It works for me
[06:18] <vladanian> I download lots of isos
[06:18] <calc> bt is good for downloading linux dists
[06:18] <vladanian> Yeah, it's best for that
[06:18] <vladanian> Right now
[06:18] <Computer__Guru> so is archives.sunsite.edu :D
[06:18] <glick> sent
[06:18] <hybrid_goth> anyone here use a psp with linux?
[06:18] <vladanian> I don't like having to choose a mirror
[06:18] <nickrud> hybrid_goth, I used to, until the supremes told me not to
[06:19] <hondje> I don't download distros with bittorrent
[06:19] <hondje> I'd rather just get a good ftp server to download from
[06:19] <vladanian> What would be cool, is if the mirror sites were hosting torrents, as an option
[06:19] <vladanian> Yeah, but it's not always clear what's best
[06:19] <calc> i can download faster via bt than off most ftp sites
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> calc, true
[06:20] <nickrud> I didn't mind leaving the torrent available to others, It seemed a good use of my money
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> if you open the ports
[06:20] <vladanian> When something's in high demand on a torrent, yeah, I max out my conneciton
[06:20] <hondje> the only thing bittorrent is good for is pirates, because who wants to download a movie from someone with a 56k line?
[06:20] <vladanian> Totally
[06:20] <crimsun> I pull from the umn.edu mirror ;)
[06:20] <DonL> Unfortunately I have to use my wife's XP for downloading distros because she's got the burner
[06:20] <Computer__Guru> i get 350+ k/s from archive.ubuntu.com pretty much all the time
[06:20] <Troy_McClure> hey... i am trying to share folders under ubuntu for media, but whenever i try to connect it requires a username and password
[06:20] <vladanian> You pay the same if you're using your pipe a lot or a little
[06:20] <vladanian> With DSL
[06:20] <nickrud> exactly
[06:20] <vladanian> Might as well contribute to the goodness with bandwidth
[06:20] <calc> hondje: if there are a lot of people with 56k lines you can download that movie fast
[06:20] <Computer__Guru> and thats in the uk
[06:20] <Computer__Guru> and im in ohio
[06:20] <hondje> yeah, I know calc...and that's about all its good for :)
[06:20] <Computer__Guru> so *shrug*
[06:21] <hondje> Everything legit is on an ftp server :)
[06:21] <Computer__Guru> the us mirrors were lightning fast, too bad they're broke
[06:21] <calc> hondje: or downloading knoppix isos at 500KB/s+
[06:21] <NerdGirl> wow...  lots of folks in here...
[06:21] <hondje> well, I hear its good for isos
[06:21] <Computer__Guru> knoppix 3.9 sucks
[06:21] <hondje> but the mirrors I use always max out my connection
[06:21] <vladanian> What's cool about BT is it makes it possible for someone with just a slow connection to distribute a large file
[06:21] <vladanian> and not go broke
[06:21] <Computer__Guru> good for cracking the admin pwd on xp boxen tho :D
[06:21] <DonL> Computer__Guru, is that right? Thanks for letting me know
[06:21] <vladanian> If it's popular, then it'll scale out
[06:22] <hondje> yes, and that's a cool thing, but like I said that's also pretty useless for the majority of people
[06:22] <Troy_McClure> no one can help configuring my samba share to work with windows?
[06:22] <Computer__Guru> samba is evil
[06:22] <pax> Troy_McClure: have you tried swat?
[06:22] <Troy_McClure> swat?
[06:22] <pax> sudo apt-get install swat
[06:23] <Computer__Guru> i dont even like browsing other peoples samba shares, let along setting them up
[06:23] <calc> samba is cool you can make your linux box use windows auth for logins :)
[06:23] <DonL> After years of effort, I've still not figured out samba
[06:23] <Computer__Guru> yeah i want to use a less secure auth system
[06:23] <carambol> where i get shred?
[06:23] <calc> Computer__Guru: kerberos isn't too shabby
[06:23] <pax> Troy_McClure: swat is web-based frontend for smb.conf, makes your life easier
[06:24] <vladanian> samba can be rough
[06:24] <cyril_> hello
[06:24] <vladanian> nfs is easier
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> ubotu, where's shred
[06:24] <ubotu> No idea, nomasteryoda
[06:24] <cyril_> i'm new
[06:24] <Computer__Guru> calc: granted, but ssh w/nfs pwnz
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:24] <bddebian> nfs?? Ugh :-)
[06:24] <vladanian> Just not windows-friendly
[06:24] <NerdGirl> Question: trying to setup my display with 5.04.  I have a Samsung syncmaster LCD monitor and and INtel i845GL chipset (shared memory).  Can't get the resolution to change from 640x480 at 59 Hz, and my attempts to edit xorgconfig have simply disabled X entirely.
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> ubotu, shred
[06:24] <ubotu> nomasteryoda: I give up, what is it?
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[06:24] <cyril_> i'm searching for installe inotify on the last kernel release od ubuntu
[06:24] <calc> Computer__Guru: ssh isn't centralized auth
[06:24] <cyril_> if anyone can help me.. :)
[06:24] <vladanian> yeah, dude, ssh is sweet
[06:24] <calc> Computer__Guru: and nis sucks more than kerberos from what i can tell
[06:24] <vladanian> Hey, about the inotify
[06:24] <pepsi> NerdGirl: have you tried doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[06:24] <vladanian> and beagle, right?
[06:24] <Computer__Guru> so, u never said anything about centralized
[06:24] <cyril_> yes
[06:24] <vladanian> I never found it
[06:25] <cyril_> i have beagled runnin g
[06:25] <vladanian> It's nice
[06:25] <Computer__Guru> blah, it's all symantecs and personal preference when it boils down to it\
[06:25] <calc> Computer__Guru: thats the whole point of having linux auth off windows server :)
[06:25] <cyril_> but i'm listen to inotify
[06:25] <DonL> I can see and share files from the windows boxes on my network, but they can't see me. I think that is a windows problem No?
[06:25] <NerdGirl> no.  I'm pretty new to all this, just been googling around for anyone with similar problems...
[06:25] <vladanian> But I needed to kill it every gso often or else it used all my ram
[06:25] <hondje> NerdGirl: that chipset works fine
[06:25] <Computer__Guru> NerdGirl: whats the problem?
[06:25] <hondje> NerdGirl: you're setting up xorg.conf wrong, probably
[06:25] <cyril_> beagled is extra ^^
[06:25] <pepsi> NerdGirl: doing that will ask you a bunch of questions and setup your xorg.conf
[06:25] <vladanian> You don't need inotify
[06:25] <carambol> shred?
[06:25] <vladanian> But it's supposed to work better
[06:25] <cyril_> it is better ... :/
[06:26] <vladanian> Yeah
[06:26] <vladanian> That's where fedora is best
[06:26] <vladanian> But with mono
[06:26] <vladanian> I guess that's not always the case
[06:26] <Computer__Guru> i should sponsor avidemux into universe
[06:26] <NerdGirl> xorgconfig gave me a bunch of questions too.  I know my sync rates for my monitor.  I think it's having trouble figuring out the chipset, and it isn't listed as such.  using the generic Intel i810 hasn't worked.
[06:26] <blmartin777> is there any gift users in here
[06:26] <AlbanianLord> great idea
[06:27] <Computer__Guru> or talk someone else into doing it
[06:27] <hondje> NerdGirl: i845 uses i810 driver, and works fine
[06:27] <Computer__Guru> i just know id end up neglecting it
[06:27] <cyril_> so i must leave
[06:27] <cyril_> see you later
[06:27] <cyril_> by :)
[06:27] <vladanian> good luck
[06:27] <hondje> NerdGirl: you sure the rates match what ddcprobe | grep monitorrange give you?
[06:27] <Computer__Guru> by cyril_
[06:27] <NerdGirl> hasn't worked for me hondje.
[06:27] <vladanian> Hey, peeps, I registered this name but I don't recall what my password was
[06:27] <vladanian> Can the server send me an e-mail or something?
[06:27] <Howitzer> Wooohoo
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> carambol, like in wipe?
[06:28] <Computer__Guru> vladanian: talk to an ircop with services admin status
[06:28] <NerdGirl> no, but they match the published specs given for the monitor.
[06:28] <pepsi> vladanian: you have to ask freenode staff to help you :)
[06:28] <Howitzer> Woohoo
[06:28] <vladanian> ok, thanks
[06:28] <blmartin777> no gift users
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> ubotu, wipe
[06:28] <ubotu> nomasteryoda: I give up, what is it?
[06:28] <Howitzer> my minislack download is done \ o /
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:28] <AlbanianLord> generally, do most of you use gnome or kde?
[06:28] <Computer__Guru> vladanian: /who +o should do the trick if i remember
[06:28] <vladanian> Like, I doubt someone else has this name
[06:28] <vladanian> I made it up for star wars galaxies :)
[06:28] <hondje> NerdGirl: I'm inclined to believe ddcprobe. How different are they?
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> kde on suse, gnome or xfce4 on ubuntu
[06:28] <goldfish> nomasteryoda: gnome by default.
[06:28] <AlbanianLord> is xfce worth it?
[06:29] <goldfish> it is.
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> it's cool
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> fast
[06:29] <Computer__Guru> kde on ubuntu is nice
[06:29] <goldfish> flux is better though
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> to the point xfce is
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> goldfish, flux is sweet
[06:29] <AlbanianLord> lol
[06:29] <NerdGirl> haven't checked.  As I said, I'm rather new to the linux thing.  DOn't know what to check yet.
[06:29] <DekaPink> I'm comfortable in gnome. :3
[06:29] <Howitzer> i use Gnome
[06:29] <AlbanianLord> im using dlux
[06:29] <Howitzer> i just love it
[06:29] <AlbanianLord> flux
[06:29] <Howitzer> + i have a lovely theme :D
[06:29] <AlbanianLord> gnome is cool too
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> and I use flux on damnsmall
[06:29] <DekaPink> It's taken me a long time to not feel like a fish out of water when in gnome.
[06:29] <AlbanianLord> damnsmall is cool
[06:30] <pax> why limit your self to one desktop if you can use both :D
[06:30] <NerdGirl> I'll look into the ddcprobe values, see what it gives me.
[06:30] <nickrud> Gnome, but xfce is nice, if you really want to tweak
[06:30] <DonL> NerdGirl, I know I saw a graphical setup, just have to find it
[06:30] <AlbanianLord> lol
[06:30] <Computer__Guru> i dont care for gnome
[06:30] <bonk> does anyone else use a tv tuner card under ubuntu?
[06:30] <Computer__Guru> kde is much more feautre rich
[06:30] <DonL> bonk, I do
[06:30] <NerdGirl> tried the graphical xorgcfg, didn't work.
[06:30] <Howitzer> argh
[06:30] <Computer__Guru> at the expense of a couple more megs and cpu cycles
[06:30] <Howitzer> this is unbearable
[06:30] <vladanian> KDE is, that's true
[06:30] <NerdGirl> wouldn't accept the values.
[06:30] <vladanian> I think gnome is prettier
[06:30] <vladanian> :)
[06:30] <goldfish> no way!
[06:30] <bonk> DonL, what did you do to get it working?
[06:30] <Howitzer> my throat hurts like hell, but i'm sooooooooo hungry :(
[06:30] <Computer__Guru> vladanian: you havent seen my kde :D
[06:30] <bonk> and what program do you use?
[06:30] <AlbanianLord> i have a clean theme
[06:31] <Computer__Guru> vladanian: http://www.daede.com/MyDesktop.jpg
[06:31] <goldfish> go to the fluxbox site and look at the screenshots, they are awesome :)
[06:31] <vladanian> Oh yeah, pretty fly?
[06:31] <DonL> bonk, nothing. It set itself up. I just ran tvtime and it was there
[06:31] <vladanian> You know what bugs the hell out of me on KDE?
[06:31] <AlbanianLord> what?
[06:31] <vladanian> When you hover over a file on your desktop or something
[06:31] <Howitzer> nope?
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> NerdGirl, did you try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[06:31] <NerdGirl> not yet.
[06:31] <vladanian> And there's that big yellow square
[06:31] <Computer__Guru> only thing different now is i have brushed metal osx instead of glossy :D
[06:31] <Howitzer> heeeeeee
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> k
[06:31] <AlbanianLord> i know exactly what u r talking about
[06:31] <vladanian> Like, I like the info they're giving me in there
[06:32] <nickrud> I've been using gnome so long, I can get lost using anything else these days
[06:32] <vladanian> But it looks ugly to me
[06:32] <Computer__Guru> vladanian: you can turn that off
[06:32] <bonk> DonL, where did you get tvtime?
[06:32] <Computer__Guru> or chnge the color
[06:32] <Computer__Guru> vladanian: u check out my desktop?
[06:32] <vladanian> I'll look into that
[06:32] <DonL> NerdGirl, did you go to Preferences, Screen Resolution?
[06:32] <NerdGirl> DonL: yeah.  All I was offered was 640x480
[06:32] <DonL> bonk, just apt-get install tvtime
[06:33] <bonk> DonL, I can't find it there
[06:33] <vladanian> Where can I see your desktop, Guru?
[06:33] <DonL> NerdGirl, you didn't get a choice. Oh no
[06:33] <nickrud> NerdGirl, /var/log/Xorg.0.log may have some hints
[06:33] <bonk> DonL, which repos is it in?
[06:33] <ripgut> sup guys :)
[06:33] <vladanian> oh, I see
[06:33] <DonL> bonk, have you installed the universe and multiverse repos?
[06:33] <AlbanianLord> i defininitely would like to show you mine
[06:33] <ripgut> hate to bother yall, but i need some help with m audio
[06:33] <bddebian> Hello ripgut
[06:33] <ripgut> my*
[06:34] <_EdmGuy_> anyone know of a more kde-centric program like grip?
[06:34] <bonk> DonL, I'm pretty sure I have, it's a bit unreliable at the moment though
[06:34] <vladanian> yeah, that's nice looking
[06:34] <nomasteryoda> NerdGirl, if you do use dpkg-reconfigure, you will find you can choose more... but it needs to be something close to what the monitor can handle
[06:34] <newbie> any one experiencing problems with lyx fonts especially the capital f letter?
[06:34] <AlbanianLord> well crip works
[06:34] <vladanian> I'm not crazy about the icons, I guess
[06:34] <Computer__Guru> vladanian: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=26283
[06:34] <ripgut> im on a compaq presario x1000 and now all of a sudden the audio has went out
[06:34] <DonL> bonk, I'll see if I can tell where I got it from...
[06:34] <Computer__Guru> thats my desktop
[06:34] <vladanian> That's something in gnome that I like better
[06:34] <crimsun> ripgut: which m-audio?
[06:34] <vladanian> I go back and forth
[06:34] <ripgut> it worked efore and now it dont
[06:34] <crimsun> ripgut: oh, you meant "my audio"?
[06:34] <ripgut> yea
[06:34] <vladanian> Usually when new versions come out
[06:34] <bonk> DonL, please
[06:35] <cafuego> _EdmGuy_: There's some K-somethingorother app that does rip/encode/id3/cddb - let me check
[06:35] <DonL> bonk, it says Ubuntu all over it. It's got to be there
[06:35] <vladanian> My desktop, right now, is standard ubuntu with hella crap on it
[06:35] <ripgut> my audio hardware is Intel 82801DB-ICH (alsa mixer)
[06:35] <crimsun> ripgut: cat /proc/asound/modules
[06:35] <crimsun> right, you should be using snd_intel8x0
[06:35] <Computer__Guru> vladanian: that's kde :)
[06:35] <cafuego> _EdmGuy_: try 'kaudiocreator'
[06:35] <Computer__Guru> highly customized
[06:35] <glick> is it me or is angelina jolie an ugly bitch?
[06:36] <gyaresu_> !sound
[06:36] <ubotu> from memory, sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[06:36] <vladanian> I think she's hot
[06:36] <goldfish> glick: just you!
[06:36] <goldfish> she is hot
[06:36] <crimsun> glick: ->#ubuntu-offtopic
[06:36] <goldfish> lol
[06:36] <Computer__Guru> yeah she is
[06:36] <gyaresu_> ripgut, have you followed the sound link?
[06:36] <Computer__Guru> u see her in sin city yet?
[06:36] <goldfish> glick: -> #losers
[06:36] <ripgut> angelina jolie is overrated
[06:36] <AlbanianLord> is she
[06:36] <AlbanianLord> did you see mr and mrs smith
[06:36] <AlbanianLord> ?
[06:36] <Burgundavia> there are other venues for this discussion, please find them
[06:36] <NerdGirl> thnx noyodamaster, hondje, DonL.  I'll boot back into it, see if I can't sort this out yet.
[06:36] <glick> c'mon goldfish im mean im not saying that i wouldnt accept some dome from her or even derail her sideways till sunday...but shes not THAT hot!
[06:36] <vladanian> maybe, there's a lot of overratedness out there
[06:36] <Computer__Guru> oh are we talking about angelina jolie?
[06:36] <hondje> yep
[06:36] <DonL> np NerdGirl
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> ubotu, angelina jolie is off-topic
[06:37] <ubotu> okay, nomasteryoda
[06:37] <vladanian> heh
[06:37] <gyaresu_> glick, please take it elsewhere...
[06:37] <_EdmGuy_> cafuego, thanks I will try that out
[06:37] <Computer__Guru> i thought we were talking about alexis bledel
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:37] <vladanian> that's true
[06:37] <crimsun> guys, jolie discussion belongs in #ubuntu-offtopic, thanks.
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> crimsun, tks
[06:37] <AlbanianLord> lol
[06:37] <bonk> DonL, how do I use tvtime?
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> i like ubotu's response
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:37] <DonL> did you install it?
[06:37] <bonk> yeah
[06:38] <glick> crimsun, who cares, let people talk about whatever they want to, when someone has a question about ubuntu, then the topic will switch back to ubuntu for cryin out loud, relax! we'll still help you!
[06:38] <crimsun> ripgut: so, getting back to my prompt...
[06:38] <glick> for godsakes
[06:38] <goldfish> glick: dont talk to ops like that :)
[06:38] <DonL> Just run it and follow the instructions. If you're in Europe you probably will opt for Pal, but in North America it will be NTSC
[06:38] <crimsun> glick: #ubuntu-offtopic was created for a reason. Please use it and allow us to troubleshoot.
[06:38] <gyaresu_> glick, that's not the point of this channel.
[06:38] <bonk> DonL, went through that
[06:38] <ripgut> ?
[06:38] <Computer__Guru> glick: ur not gonna win this one
[06:38] <crimsun> ripgut: I asked you about the contents of /proc/asound/modules
[06:38] <Computer__Guru> i tried a couple nights ago
[06:39] <bonk> but when I actually run it, it comes up black screen with a little menu
[06:39] <ripgut> yes crimsun
[06:39] <AlbanianLord> crimsun gets to business
[06:39] <bonk> the little menu is all for the settings, no actual setting for channels or anything
[06:39] <DonL> bonk, what does the menu say?
[06:39] <nickrud> you mean, gets business done ;)
[06:39] <vladanian> tcob
[06:40] <DonL> bonk,  there might be one that allows you to automatically scan for channels. Look for that
[06:40] <AlbanianLord> lol
[06:40] <vladanian> is that what they mean by chilling effect?
[06:40] <AlbanianLord> whatever
[06:40] <bonk> DonL: will do, thank
[06:40] <bonk> s
[06:40] <vladanian> but we can't have chaos
[06:40] <AlbanianLord> vladanian... where are you from?
[06:40] <crimsun> ripgut: what is the output from that command?
[06:40] <Computer__Guru> people keep rebooting my computer when im not home
[06:41] <Computer__Guru> im never gonna get an uberleet uptime
[06:41] <Computer__Guru> *&(*&^(*&6
[06:41] <vladanian> san francisco
[06:41] <Razor-X> anyone in here use Conkeror?
[06:41] <Computer__Guru> uptime:
[06:41] <Computer__Guru>  00:41:12 up  2:00,  2 users,  load average: 1.47, 1.29, 1.19
[06:41] <bonk> DonL, I can't find it
[06:41] <AlbanianLord> lol
[06:41] <bonk> any help?
[06:41] <AlbanianLord> ethnically speaking
[06:41] <Computer__Guru> Razor-X: konqueror?
[06:41] <guerrero> vladanian, what part of SF? ..im in the mission
[06:41] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: no, Conkeror
[06:41] <DonL> bonk,  sorry, but without being there, it's kind of hard to help. For me it was a cakewalk
[06:41] <vladanian> I'm in the fab outer richmond
[06:41] <Computer__Guru> never heard of it
[06:41] <DonL> I've got Konqueror
[06:41] <Razor-X> it's awesome if you use vi or emacs
[06:42] <Computer__Guru> vi is EVIL
[06:42] <nickrud> nooo
[06:42] <ripgut> 0 snd_intel8x0
[06:42] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: good ;)
[06:42] <bonk> DonL: thanks anyway. I'll just do some hunting on the net
[06:42] <hondje> vi sucks
[06:42] <hondje> vim rocks
[06:42] <Computer__Guru> yaknow, ive been using linux since circa 95 and i never learned vi
[06:42] <Razor-X> then you'll like emacs more
[06:42] <hondje> nothing is better tan vim
[06:42] <Razor-X> good job!
[06:42] <vladanian> my vi is vim
[06:42] <guerrero> vim rocks
[06:42] <guerrero> alias vi="vim"
[06:42] <vladanian> Redhat's vi is actually vim
[06:42] <crimsun> ripgut: good, now paste the output from amixer onto the topic's pastebin
[06:42] <vladanian> yeah
[06:42] <Computer__Guru> screw all that.. pico is your friend
[06:42] <AlbanianLord> i concur
[06:42] <glick> i like emacs for development
[06:42] <ripgut> ?
[06:42] <crimsun> s/pico/nano/g
[06:42] <Computer__Guru> what can vi do that pico cant?
[06:43] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: non-free?
[06:43] <glick> intergrated with gdb and gcc
[06:43] <glick> and make
[06:43] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: regular expressions?
[06:43] <hondje> Computer__Guru: make me happy
[06:43] <glick> and email
[06:43] <glick> and news
[06:43] <Computer__Guru> Razor-X: okay, nano, now hush
[06:43] <glick> and the shell
[06:43] <ripgut> 0_o
[06:43] <AlbanianLord> check this out http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=11873
[06:43] <hondje> and split
[06:43] <guerrero> emacs is nice too..but too heavy weight..sometimes you want to edit a file without loading 300Megs of binary
[06:43] <vladanian> vi(m) just happened to be what I started on
[06:43] <trog|odyt> pico isn't free, and ubuntu links it to nano
[06:43] <decaf> Computer__Guru: have you ever used a really old unix like xenix?
[06:43] <Razor-X> guerrero: that's a total myth
[06:43] <nickrud> this is the third night running for the editor wars :)
[06:43] <Razor-X> it's not much at all
[06:43] <glick> guerrero, you load emacs once and do all your work in it
[06:43] <crimsun> ripgut: amixer spits out a lot of text. Paste it all to the topic's pastebin
[06:43] <hondje> yeah, can't be more than 290MB
[06:43] <AlbanianLord> nickrud:lol
[06:43] <Razor-X> much less than current machines can handle
[06:43] <ripgut> i dont see any text
[06:44] <guerrero> Razor-X, im exagerating...but the footprint of emacs is way more than vim
[06:44] <hondje> I'm just waiting for Razor-X to start quoting ESR
[06:44] <goldfish> nickrud: 5th time today aswell :)
[06:44] <goldfish> we also had irc client wars earlier.
[06:44] <DonL> If X goes down and takes gedit with it, I'm screwed
[06:44] <Computer__Guru> decaf: i had to learn a little vi when i ran my dal servers.. at least enough to edit the files necessary to do a make world, but then i went to ports and installed ee or pico :D
[06:44] <goldfish> and grammar war
[06:44] <ripgut> do i do an "alsamixer"?
[06:44] <Razor-X> guerrero: but if you were to do the same tasks emacs does in a screen session, the footprint would be more
[06:44] <Razor-X> DonL: then learn something else ;)
[06:44] <Razor-ESR> It's not hackers, they're crackers
[06:44] <nickrud> ubotu editor is all editors are ok, just pick one and shut up :)
[06:44] <ubotu> nickrud: okay
[06:44] <Razor-X> i'm no cracker
[06:44] <Razor-ESR> Wear the game of life logo
[06:45] <goldfish> !editor
[06:45] <ubotu> I heard editor is all editors are ok, just pick one and shut up :)
[06:45] <Razor-ESR> Guns are good, and the bazaar is fun
[06:45] <vladanian> heh
[06:45] <bddebian> nickrud: :-)
[06:45] <DonL> Razor-ESR, learning starts from necessity and is driven in by frequent use. That hasn't happened yet
[06:45] <crimsun> ripgut: no, amixer
[06:45] <vladanian> That's so esr
[06:45] <vladanian> He loves the firearms
[06:45] <eno__> hey I figured out my xmms problem.  it was trying to use the webcam audio mixer for some reason
[06:45] <Razor-X> DonL: you mean, you use GUI that much?
[06:45] <Computer__Guru> ubotu vi is EVIL!
[06:45] <ubotu> okay, Computer__Guru
[06:45] <goldfish> !vi
[06:45] <ubotu> I guess vi is EVIL!
[06:45] <Computer__Guru> vi:
[06:45] <Computer__Guru> Vim: Warning: Output is not to a terminal
[06:45] <Computer__Guru> Vim: Warning: Input is not from a terminal
[06:45] <Computer__Guru> [m[m[H[2J[2;1H~                                                                               [3;1H~                                                                               [4;1H~                                                                               [5;1H~                                                                               [6;1H~                                                                     
[06:45] <guerrero> Razor-X, yes..emacs is slowly becoming an entire operating system...soon it will integrate its own web browser
[06:45] <crimsun> eno__: snd_usb_audio?
[06:45] <goldfish> hmmm.
[06:45] <eno__> yeah
[06:45] <Razor-X> ubotu nano is useless
[06:45] <ubotu> okay, Razor-X
[06:45] <Computer__Guru> oh crap
[06:45] <Computer__Guru> sorry
[06:46] <Computer__Guru> !vi
[06:46] <hondje> guerrero: already done
[06:46] <DonL> Razor-X, pretty much. I started with a gui back in the Atari days
[06:46] <Razor-X> guerrero: it alread has one
[06:46] <bddebian> NANO R0X J00
[06:46] <Razor-X> ubotu forget nano
[06:46] <ubotu> i forgot nano, Razor-X
[06:46] <goldfish> Looks like it should be s/#ubuntu/#ubuntu-offtopic/ time
[06:46] <crimsun> eno__: you can work around that by telling Ubuntu that you want the other non-usb sound driver to be preferred
[06:46] <Computer__Guru> forgot bangexec, have to !!! to show !whatever in room
[06:46] <Razor-X> DonL: I can't acheieve much in a GUI environment
[06:46] <DonL> I have learned a lot about command line though and am learning more all the time
[06:46] <Razor-X> too much of the human race learns visually *shrugs*
[06:47] <guerrero> visual learning is good...it leverages a highly optimized portion of the cortex
[06:47] <glick> i lost my dam cell phone today, i feel so damn isolated and alone :(
[06:47] <Razor-X> I don't learn visually
[06:47] <Computer__Guru> someone sponsor avidemux into universe :D
[06:47] <glick> cut off from the world
[06:47] <Razor-X> reading and numbers are the way I can learn
[06:47] <glick> help me jeebus!
[06:47] <Computer__Guru> i would do it, but i just know ill neglect it
[06:47] <Razor-X> glick: wow, you have a very false sense of security
[06:47] <guerrero> i learn with cartoons
[06:47] <ripgut> how the hell do i paste that into there
[06:47] <hondje> Computer__Guru: doesn't it have legal concerns?
[06:47] <guerrero> especially physics
[06:47] <ep> pico isnt free?
[06:47] <DonL> Razor-X, it's what you get used to.
[06:47] <Computer__Guru> hondje: like what?
[06:47] <ripgut> and why did my audio all of a sudden stop working?
[06:47] <Razor-X> ep: of course not
[06:47] <Computer__Guru> ep: but nano is
[06:47] <Belutz> hooray my ubuntu instalation is finish!!!!
[06:47] <hondje> I dunno, but if transcode has them, why not avidemux
[06:47] <Razor-X> DonL: no, not everyone learns visually
[06:47] <Computer__Guru> ep: nano is an exact pico clone
[06:47] <nickrud> ep, no, the university of washington won't let it go
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> Belutz, congrats
[06:48] <Razor-X> I don't, especially mnemonics
[06:48] <glick> Razor-X, i live in philly a cell phone so that when i get mugged so that i can call the po-po is hardly a false sense of security
[06:48] <Razor-X> mnemonics annoy me, they never work
[06:48] <Computer__Guru> hondje: I have transcode too :D
[06:48] <Razor-X> especially visual ones
[06:48] <nickrud> Razor-X, tell that to socrates and co.
[06:48] <Belutz> nomasteryoda, thx :D i will be in this channel more often hehehe
[06:48] <crimsun> ripgut: you copy and paste with the mouse
[06:48] <Razor-X> glick: hah ;)
[06:48] <calc> glick: what if they steal your phone
[06:48] <hondje> Computer__Guru: yeah, apt-get source -b transcode worked fine :)
[06:48] <hondje> well, I had to fix ffmpeg
[06:48] <liquidten> glick: yeah cause no one would _ever_ think to steal the cellphone too
[06:48] <ripgut> uhm, i know that but.... i can't i dont know how to explain it
[06:48] <Computer__Guru> hondje: i just added the backports repos and installed it :D
[06:48] <Elbram> Just tried to install 5.04, kept getting grub error18.  I googled, and saw that I should try to change stuff in my bios, It didn't help.
[06:48] <glick> what the hell can you do with a stolen cell?
[06:49] <hondje> mostly because the people who make transcode, ffmpeg and mplayer are very messy coders
[06:49] <HrdwrBoB> call people
[06:49] <HrdwrBoB> sell it
[06:49] <liquidten> glick: who cares it's free stuff
[06:49] <guerrero> call yer parole officer
[06:49] <crimsun> ripgut: copy with the primary mouse button and paste with the middle
[06:49] <Computer__Guru> glick: LOTS... ask my friend Kevin what kind of troubles he got into with a stolen cell :D:D
[06:49] <Razor-X> Elbram: what's your drive configuration like?
[06:49] <hondje> Computer__Guru: lol
[06:49] <Elbram> crazy, 2 big hds, a cdrom and a dvdrom.
[06:49] <Computer__Guru> he did 6 years federal
[06:49] <glick> Computer__Guru, then god bless their lives cause i bet they are soo fulfilled
[06:49] <Razor-X> Elbram: crazy sarcastic? ;)
[06:49] <Computer__Guru> last i heard tho, he works for cisco now
[06:49] <Elbram> yeah.
[06:50] <Razor-X> any RAID going on, or LVM, or something?
[06:50] <hondje> does he?
[06:50] <ripgut> ok it says "o commmand not found
[06:50] <hondje> I thought he was busy writting shitty books
[06:50] <Elbram> I think I have an older machine and new big drives.
[06:50] <Elbram> no raids.
[06:50] <Computer__Guru> glick: he was an international celebrity in the computer circles :D
[06:50] <glick> if you get your kicks from phreaking with a stolan cell phone you got bigger problems than me
[06:50] <crimsun> ripgut: "o"?
[06:50] <Elbram> I dind't see anything in my bios abour LVM.
[06:50] <Razor-X> then, paste your menu.lst to pastebin
[06:50] <tfort> anyone here know a good way to setup a soundblaster on ubuntu?
[06:50] <Computer__Guru> glick: he did a little more than that
[06:50] <hondje> just a tad more
[06:50] <Razor-X> Elbram: it's not your BIOS
[06:50] <crimsun> tfort: what model sb?
[06:50] <ripgut> here : "bash: 0: command not found"
[06:50] <tfort> it keeps using the damn motherboard soundcard
[06:50] <goldfish> Mr. Mitnick Computer__Guru ?
[06:50] <ripgut> thats what it says
[06:50] <tfort> just a general soundblaster 24bit
[06:50] <hondje> I never saw a "Free Glick!" bumpersticker
[06:50] <glick> Computer__Guru, i dont really want to be a international celerberty to computer nerds with transparent skin cause they have never seen the light of day
[06:50] <Razor-X> did you install GRUB to MBR?
[06:50] <tfort> i use to use emu101k in gentoo
[06:50] <Razor-X> and do you double-boot?
[06:50] <Computer__Guru> hondje: you know kev? what was your nick back then?
[06:50] <crimsun> tfort: the 24-bit sb live?
[06:51] <tfort> but dont know what's up with this
[06:51] <tfort> crimsun yea
[06:51] <Computer__Guru> hondje: I was GaretJaX
[06:51] <Elbram> no double boot.
[06:51] <guerrero> so what's the best C++ IDE for linux?  dev-cpp kdevelop?
[06:51] <hondje> I don't know him, I mock him :)
[06:51] <crimsun> tfort: you need to compile snd_ca0106
[06:51] <glick> hondje, cause i was never a dumbass enough to go cracking into computer systems
[06:51] <tfort> already did
[06:51] <crimsun> !tell tfort about alsa-source
[06:51] <glick> so of course you wouldnt see such a sticker
[06:51] <Razor-X> guerrero: emacs? ;)
[06:51] <Elbram> I don't know where I installed grub, I did all defaults.
[06:51] <hondje> but my non-IRC nick has always been smiter
[06:51] <Computer__Guru> goldfish: ayup
[06:51] <nickrud> ubotu, forget editor
[06:51] <ubotu> i forgot editor, nickrud
[06:51] <Computer__Guru> !vi
[06:51] <ubotu> hmm... vi is EVIL!
[06:51] <Computer__Guru> :D
[06:51] <goldfish> Computer__Guru: cool
[06:51] <nickrud> lol
[06:51] <Razor-X> ubotu forget vi
[06:51] <ubotu> i forgot vi, Razor-X
[06:52] <Computer__Guru> let him remember that one
[06:52] <Computer__Guru> u suck
[06:52] <Razor-X> I would like it too
[06:52] <Razor-X> but, no, that _is_ useless
[06:52] <nickrud> Computer__Guru, please no, I like vim, but I can forgive others for their apostacy :)
[06:52] <hondje> Not me
[06:52] <Computer__Guru> lol
[06:52] <hondje> I'm about to wage jihad
[06:52] <guerrero> Razor-X, i'lll bite...integrated debugger, source control, symbol completion
[06:52] <guerrero> Razor-X, with emacs?
[06:53] <ripgut> man this is BS
[06:53] <goldfish> ripgut: what is?
[06:53] <crimsun> ripgut: sheesh, paste it to me in privg mesg then
[06:53] <Computer__Guru> hondje: kev doesnt talk to me anymore cause i told himt hat personally i think he deserved what happened to him, he WAS breaking the law
[06:53] <nickrud> ripgut, it's not always like this
[06:54] <guerrero> as much as one can hate Microslop...the VC++ ide is pretty nice
[06:54] <Computer__Guru> and six years is a damned light sentence considering everything he did
[06:54] <ripgut> it wont let me pm you. WTF!!!!!!
[06:54] <hondje> I think he can't write very well
[06:54] <bonk> where can I find my CARDLIST file in my kernel documentation?
[06:54] <goldfish> Computer__Guru: murderers dont even get that.
[06:54] <HrdwrBoB> goldfish: er, yes they do
[06:54] <hondje> 6 wasn't too bad at all
[06:54] <Computer__Guru> goldfish: murderers get 25, min
[06:54] <bonk> anyone?
[06:54] <hondje> look at what datastream cowboy got
[06:54] <goldfish> HrdwrBoB: not in ireland :)
[06:54] <hondje> then again, that german kid got probabation for sasser
[06:54] <bonk> ?
[06:55] <HrdwrBoB> goldfish: mitnick wasn't in ireland
[06:55] <calc> goldfish: hmm then fix that by murdering the murders ;)
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> ubotu, murderers are off-topic
[06:55] <ubotu> nomasteryoda: okay
[06:55] <guerrero> i think its not wise to generalize about sentences...they should and are highly case specific
[06:55] <calc> goldfish: aka lynch them
[06:55] <tfort> crimsun, should i use the ca0106 drivers, or the emu10k1?
[06:55] <goldfish> HrdwrBoB: i know thAT.
[06:55] <NerdGirl> well, I'm back, still having issues with my display.
[06:55] <crimsun> tfort: you -must- use snd_ca0106
[06:55] <bonk> where can I find my CARDLIST file in my kernel documentation?
[06:55] <goldfish> calc: :)
[06:55] <Computer__Guru> in ireland their idea of a good time is blowing up a church, and killing ppl int he parking lot at the local football game... ireland does not count :D
[06:55] <crimsun> bonk: ok, we read you the first dozen times. What card?
[06:55] <tfort> crimsun, why's it so limited to that?
[06:55] <Razor-X> jihad! jihad!
[06:55] <crimsun> tfort: because the hardware -requires- that driver
[06:55] <goldfish> Computer__Guru: Where did u hear that from? :)
[06:56] <Computer__Guru> hey man, i watch tv
[06:56] <goldfish> lol
[06:56] <Computer__Guru> civil wars are messy
[06:56] <guerrero> heh
[06:56] <nickrud> what a fish :)
[06:56] <bonk> it's a tv tuner card, the main chip is a philips 713X
[06:56] <calc> Computer__Guru: i think that is more in england from the IRA ;)
[06:56] <hondje> Yeah
[06:56] <goldfish> Well I've never heard of that happening here Computer__Guru !
[06:56] <Computer__Guru> *shrug* I wont pretend to know your politics
[06:56] <goldfish> ok
[06:56] <NerdGirl> ddcprobe replied with the exact same sync settings I've been using, and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg enabled X again, but I'm still stuck at 640x480
[06:56] <goldfish> back to the topic!
[06:56] <Razor-X> I heard someone say "such and such" game is better than nethack
[06:56] <Razor-X> which is it?
[06:56] <DonL> bonk, did the tuner card live in another computer successfully before?
[06:56] <hondje> NerdGirl: do you have the mode set?
[06:56] <nickrud> Razor-X, moria
[06:56] <Computer__Guru> I do love st. patricks day tho.. its an excuse to get drunk two days in a row... (it directly follows my birthday)
[06:56] <goldfish> mud !
[06:57] <bonk> DonL, it's new
[06:57] <guerrero> you can't beat the english for stoicism..."meanwhile london police have reported that traces of explosives where found at the blast sites"
[06:57] <ripgut> man i give up.....
[06:57] <bonk> and I don't have windows to try it out on
[06:57] <Razor-X> I don't want anything MMO
[06:57] <goldfish> guerrero: lol
[06:57] <hondje> like Modes           "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[06:57] <NerdGirl> hondje: what do you mean by "mode"?
[06:57] <crimsun> NerdGirl: please paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log onto the topic's pastebin if you haven't already. If you have pasted it, please pass me the url.
[06:57] <NerdGirl> Yep.
[06:57] <bonk> this particular computer only has kubuntu on it
[06:57] <Razor-X> nickrud: what about ToME?
[06:57] <Razor-X> I played that for a while
[06:57] <nickrud> Razor-X, too new
[06:57] <crimsun> ripgut: patience, man. Some of us are actually doing several things simultaneously.
[06:57] <ripgut> i dont see why all of a sudden my audio jsut dont work anymore.
[06:57] <hondje> yeah, post your xorg.conf
[06:57] <bonk> it's a saa7133
[06:57] <Razor-X> I heard ToME can get real nice and indepth, but, I never got into it too much
[06:57] <tfort> crimsun, should i try and disable the on board device?
[06:57] <calc> guerrero: it could have been spontaneous combustion
[06:58] <tfort> crimsun, i want to use alsa and not oss and definately not esd
[06:58] <bluefoxicy> http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/bluefoxicy/autopackage_advice.png there should also be an "Explaination" button to explain why SUID is dangerous and why discretion should be used.
[06:58] <DonL> bonk, have you run a google on the card and Linux to see if anyone is having problems?
[06:58] <bluefoxicy> Nice enough mock-up?
[06:58] <Razor-X> and for those of you criticisizng the size of emacs, check out QEmacs
[06:58] <Computer__Guru> my kids have been in bed for hours
[06:58] <tfort> crimsun, i've setup alsa in gentoo, but kind of hitting stumps in debian/ubuntu
[06:58] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: you have... kids?
[06:58] <bonk> DonL, I'm not having any problems so far, I just don't know what I'm meant to do to set it up
[06:58] <crimsun> tfort: just follow the directions I passed you via ubotu
[06:58] <Razor-X> how old is your oldest kid?
[06:59] <tfort> crimsun cp and paste the commands
[06:59] <tfort> done now
[06:59] <Razor-X> nickrud: meh ;)
[06:59] <Computer__Guru> yes.. Orion is 9 in nov, Casey Mae is 7 next month, and Sydney LeAnn is 5 as of last month
[06:59] <tfort> dpkg-deb: package name has characters that aren't lowercase alphanums or `-+.'
[06:59] <tfort> dh_builddeb: command returned error code 512
[06:59] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: i'm 6 years older than your oldest ;)
[06:59] <tfort> that's what i got in return
[06:59] <Computer__Guru> Razor-X: do you remember orion.dal.net?
[06:59] <HrdwrBoB> people who want to talk about kevin mitnick, murders, and other stuff... #ubuntu-offtopic please :)
[06:59] <Computer__Guru> oh i guess you wouldnt
[06:59] <NerdGirl> sorry crimsun, how do I do that?  not sure how to copy from vi.
[06:59] <Razor-X> hehe, nopes
[07:00] <DonL> bonk, it's been so long since I did that, but I remember I had to do it at least three times after changing distros. I can't say I remember anything difficult with mine. It's different though. It's an ATI card
[07:00] <Computer__Guru> well, twas mine
[07:00] <Computer__Guru> so was centurion.dal.net and rush.dal.net
[07:00] <Razor-X> NerdGirl: Gnome Terminal and Konsole have their own copy and paste commands
[07:00] <Razor-X> check them out in the menus (save you use a nice, nonstandard one)
[07:00] <Razor-X> BlackDragon.... name rings a bell from years ago
[07:01] <Razor-X> like when I first joined IRC
[07:01] <Razor-X> and experienced the pain of mIRC
[07:01] <Computer__Guru> that name was late 96,e arly 97, i doubt you know it
[07:01] <vladanian> gnome-term uses ctrl-shift c
[07:01] <vladanian> etc
[07:01] <Razor-X> ahhh, ok then, memory isn't working right then ;)
[07:01] <Razor-X> I was on the internet then
[07:01] <Razor-X> but... not IRC, most definitely
[07:01] <NerdGirl> how much of it do you want?
[07:01] <Computer__Guru> but I was the oper who akilled *!*@*.aol.com from DALnet - which resulted int he addition of an aol dalnet server
[07:01] <tfort> crimsun, ran lsmod and it shows snd_ca0106, but also shows snd_emu10k1 and via82xx
[07:01] <crimsun> tfort: didn't you follow the commands exactly?
[07:01] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: good job ;)
[07:02] <tfort> crimsun, yea
[07:02] <Computer__Guru> and about 30,000 emails in less than ten hours, which were all redirected to my personal email
[07:02] <nickrud> NerdGirl, he'll want all of the Xorg.0.log
[07:02] <crimsun> tfort: you need to rmmod snd_emu10k1 and -shvia82xx*
[07:02] <Razor-X> did they sound like "OMG WTF?!?!" XD
[07:02] <crimsun> tfort: snd_via82xx, rather
[07:02] <HrdwrBoB> Computer__Guru: #ubuntu-offtpic
[07:02] <Razor-X> AOL/netspeak is so half-assed
[07:02] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: #ubuntu-offtpic
[07:03] <Razor-X> yeah, I better go htere
[07:03] <Computer__Guru> Razor-X: there was a guy ripping our network apart, and he was coming on under stolen aol accounts
[07:03] <Computer__Guru> okay okay
[07:03] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: come on in
[07:04] <weirdcreep> i have a problem
[07:04] <askinif> i need help with setting firefox 1.0.5 correctly
[07:05] <nickrud> weirdcreep, ask away
[07:05] <crimsun> tfort: after you rmmod snd_emu10k1 and snd_via82xx, you need to rmmod snd_ca0106, too, and then reload it
[07:05] <tfort> crimsun hwo do i kill the modules?
[07:05] <tfort> they're currently in use
[07:05] <weirdcreep> my ubuntu works pretty fine so now im bored
[07:05] <weirdcreep> what do i do
[07:05] <tfort> tried to just stop alsa, but it fails to stop
[07:05] <nickrud> weirdcreep, reinstall :)
[07:05] <crimsun> tfort: don't "stop" alsa. Just kill esd and the mixer-applet
[07:06] <weirdcreep> well it work perfect again
[07:06] <weirdcreep> so waht to do now
[07:06] <tfort>  crimsun esd isn't on
[07:06] <DonL> weirdcreep, I'm the same. Have to be playing or breaking something. I have another small hard drive for that stuff
[07:06] <nickrud> weirdcreep, just use it, that's ubuntu's purpose.
[07:06] <tfort> crimsun i uninstalled it
[07:06] <ripgut> fixed it crimsu
[07:06] <weirdcreep> but im bored
[07:06] <weirdcreep> use it for whay
[07:07] <crimsun> ripgut: a simple increase of Master and/or PCM did it, no?
[07:07] <ripgut> i needed to right click on the sound icon in taskbar>open volume control> turn up PCM audio
[07:07] <ripgut> yea you were right
[07:07] <crimsun> tfort: lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[07:07] <ripgut> sorry, man
[07:07] <ripgut> but thank you sir
[07:07] <crimsun> ripgut: see? no need to freak out. :)
[07:07] <tfort> yek mixer_app and gstreamer
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> hi alll
[07:07] <nickrud> askinif, you're using a non-ubuntu firefox, I'd guess
[07:08] <ripgut> see the thing is this laptop has been at a friends house so i guess someone messed with it 0_o *shrugs shoulders*
[07:08] <crimsun> tfort: ok, so kill those
[07:08] <SoSamSaid> say I need to install a package like php or something.  I can get it fine with dselect or dpkg but I need it to be compiled with certain flags.  is there an easy way to do that or do I have to just get the source and compile myself?
[07:08] <crimsun> ripgut: welp, it works now. That's good.
[07:08] <tfort> crimsun it isn't showing up in ps ax
[07:08] <ripgut> yea, and thanks once again =)
[07:08] <crimsun> ripgut: yw
[07:08] <h3r3sY> -search crimson skies
[07:09] <h3r3sY> -gamesearch crimson skies
[07:09] <crimsun> uh huh
[07:09] <crimsun> NerdGirl: sorry 'bout the lag; did you paste the log onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl?
[07:10] <bonk> where can I find the kernel documentation?
[07:10] <tfort> nvm foundthe pid
[07:10] <tfort> i'm an idiot
[07:10] <dr_willis> kernel.org ? ;P
[07:10] <bonk> rather, where can I find my CARDLIST file in my kernel documentation?
[07:10] <Nic> whats the terminal command to get my ip?
[07:11] <bonk> anyone?
[07:11] <nickrud> bonk, apt-get install linux-doc-2.6.10, then look under /usr/src
[07:11] <bonk> thanks
[07:11] <pax> nic ifconfig?
[07:12] <tfort> crimsun in the ubuntu config should i uncheck the all box and JUST do ca0106?
[07:12] <Nic> champ
[07:12] <Nic> why is it ifconfig instead of ipconfig?
[07:12] <crimsun> tfort: correct, unless you want your onboard, too
[07:12] <tfort> k
[07:12] <tfort> its' off
[07:12] <tfort> lets see if it hangs again
[07:12] <tfort> same error
[07:12] <pax> ipconfig in windoz
[07:12] <nickrud> Nic, thats a debianism, I think
[07:12] <tfort> dh_builddeb --destdir=/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/..
[07:12] <tfort> dpkg-deb: package name has characters that aren't lowercase alphanums or `-+.'
[07:12] <tfort> dh_builddeb: command returned error code 512
[07:12] <pax> linuxism in general
[07:13] <crimsun> tfort: paste me what command you used
[07:13] <Nic> ok
[07:13] <Nic> thanks
[07:13] <nickrud> heh, I add I think for a reason, thinking can be dangerous :)
[07:13] <tfort> hold up
[07:13] <tfort> hold up
[07:13] <tfort> gonna break it up
[07:13] <tfort> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307&highlight=sound+card
[07:13] <tfort> thats the same thing that you're telling me to do right?
[07:14] <SoSamSaid> if is more general.  it stands for interface
[07:14] <DonL> dir means directory same as DOS. What is the Unix original name? Keep forgetting
[07:14] <nickrud> DonL, ?
[07:14] <hondje> ls
[07:14] <internat> ls?
[07:14] <Doomgaze> ls = list
[07:14] <SoSamSaid> so you get all kinds of info about the interface instead of just ip info
[07:15] <tfort> crimsun, its  sudo apt-get install build-essential fakeroot linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source kernel-package
[07:15] <tfort> this command that's failing out
[07:15] <internat> nic: its ifconfig cause it stands for internface
[07:15] <internat> interface*
[07:15] <internat> instead of ip*
[07:15] <DonL> hondje,  internat , Doomgaze , right on. That's it
[07:15] <Seveas> lol hondje :)
[07:15] <crimsun> tfort: on which package is it failing?
[07:16] <Seveas> that one was a stupid french idiot on dynamic IP
[07:16] <hondje> shall I find a bug tonight, or write a wiki page
[07:16] <DonL> I just noticed that the command ls is much more colourful
[07:16] <Seveas> I hope I didn't ban any innocent people
[07:16] <pax> DonL: you still can use 'dir' in linux :)
[07:16] <tfort> can i msg it to you so i dont get kciked?
[07:16] <dr_willis> DonL,  and useable. :P
[07:16] <tfort> *kicked
[07:16] <DonL> pax, that's what I usually use
[07:16] <internat> lol u can fix courier for me if u really want something to do
[07:16] <NerdGirl> crimsun: working on it.  Don't know how to do this except a page at a time.
[07:16] <DonL> dr_willis, in what way?
[07:16] <gpd> Hi internat ;)
[07:16] <hondje> pax: it's not a different command, it's an alias to ls
[07:17] <pax> hondje: it's not in my alias list :)
[07:17] <DonL> hondje, you mean it kind of links to ls?
[07:17] <internat> gpd! lol
[07:17] <dr_willis> DonL,  use linux and its command line for a few weeks.. then go back to dos.. and you will realize why dos is so hated. :P
[07:17] <internat> fancy seeing u were
[07:17] <hondje> oh, hrm
[07:17] <internat> im assuming ur the same gpd from linode?
[07:17] <hondje> I didn't notice ubuntu used a link
[07:17] <gpd> anyone bothering to use the nvidia nforce drivers over forcedeth?
[07:17] <hondje> other distros use an alias
[07:17] <gpd> internat: 'course :)
[07:17] <DonL> dr_willis, I will
[07:17] <internat> nice :)
[07:17] <hondje> well nope
[07:18] <pax> hondje: alias -p for a list of your aliases
[07:18] <tfort> dh_builddeb --destdir=/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/.. << this is the one
[07:18] <internat> always funny running into ppl on a differenet network
[07:18] <hondje>  /bin/dir isn't a link
[07:18] <hondje> wtf?
[07:18] <hondje> pax: thanks, I know that :) I just assumed it was an alias like in other distros
[07:18] <crimsun> NerdGirl: ok
[07:18] <monkeyy> hello everyone
[07:18] <crimsun> tfort: yes?
[07:19] <monkeyy> soops
[07:19] <monkeyy> oops
[07:19] <hondje> oh no, they got you too, Goose ?
[07:19] <moj0rising> I am trapped in DVD video hell!
[07:19] <Goose> i was just wondering why you became razor-esr
[07:19] <moj0rising> Can someone help me get DVD video playback working?
[07:20] <hondje> oh, because Razor-X is morphing into ESR
[07:20] <tfort> crimsun sent the messages to you
[07:20] <Goose> ohhhh yea makes sense
[07:20] <hondje> so I saw a good chance to troll
[07:20] <moj0rising> monkeyy, I bet.
[07:20] <askinif> help with java plugin for firefox1.0.5
[07:20] <Goose> emerge ubuntu
[07:20] <moj0rising> macs are cool.
[07:20] <Goose> >=)
[07:20] <hondje> lol
[07:20] <guerrero> i have ubuntu on my powerbook
[07:20] <hondje> damn it
[07:20] <moj0rising> sweet.
[07:21] <guerrero> haven't booted os X in months
[07:21] <hondje> a certain runt just turned on her bedroom light X-(
[07:21] <guerrero> everything works fine
[07:21] <moj0rising> DOes anyone here know how to get DVD video working in ubuntu?
[07:21] <moj0rising> I've tried the scripts, apt-get, etc etc.
[07:21] <moj0rising> to no avail.
[07:21] <nickrud> NerdGirl, if I can make a suggestion, move /etc/X11/xorg.conf to xorg.conf.borked, then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ; that should get you back to a working config (59 hz and all) Then you can use gedit and copy and paste the log file easily
[07:21] <Goose> get mplayer
[07:21] <Goose> or xine
[07:21] <Goose> or something
[07:21] <monkeyy> hey guerrero  r u getting the sound alright
[07:22] <DonL> guerrero, I was wondering... You prefer linux to OSX?
[07:22] <moj0rising> Goose, got toem and kaffeine..
[07:22] <monkeyy> i will prefer linux to Tiger when i get all my things working here
[07:22] <moj0rising> .. but I think the problem is with codecs or something of that sort.
[07:23] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:23] <moj0rising> whenI try to open a dvd, I get this message: libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO.
[07:23] <da_bon_bon> whats the easiest way of adding mp3 support to ubuntu ?
[07:23] <askinif> firefox help
[07:23] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: probably installing gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:24] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: only that ? nothing else ?
[07:24] <supernix> is it just me or is Thunderbird not filtering junk mail at all
[07:24] <moj0rising> Mine works. You do have to click on an enable checkbox or something like that.
[07:24] <moj0rising> It got me for a minute.
[07:25] <moj0rising> Then It will filter.
[07:25] <moj0rising> If that's the problem, of course. :)
[07:25] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: well, then a (re)start of Rhythmbox is necessary
[07:26] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: alternately, one could install xmms or beep-media-player or ..., but then one would have to switch the default audio output plugin
[07:26] <DonL> supernix, I find that it misses some stuff, but it gets about 90 percent of it
[07:26] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: hey, i meant, only the gstreamer mad package is required ?
[07:26] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: yes, only.
[07:26] <pax> sudo apt-get gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-lame gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg w32codecs lame sox ffmpeg vorbis-tools
[07:26] <pax> da_bon_bon: ^
[07:27] <drcode> hi all
[07:27] <pax> oh .. and libdvdcss2 :)
[07:27] <drcode> to run jackd , what modprobe do I need?
[07:27] <coreyo> Could someone help me out?  libcairo1 has an md5 checksum mismatch, and my browser is currently in limbo.  Could someone paste me the address of a place to get a valid libcairo1 0.3.0-1 or higher?
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> hey, thanks, palli
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> *pax
[07:27] <Computer__Guru> hey is anyone working to fix the last -d bug?
[07:27] <guerrero> DonL, yes...I prefer linux to OSX
[07:27] <drcode> it worked and now stop working , its mybe bcz some modules that I Loas
[07:28] <drcode> load
[07:28] <Computer__Guru> guerrero: yeah, open source is always > closed source
[07:28] <tfort> crimsun, yea so... any idea?
[07:28] <tfort> actually hold up, i'm going to go back to openbox
[07:28] <pax> Computer__Guru: that's what you answered in your Linux+ exam?
[07:29] <Computer__Guru> never took a linux exam
[07:29] <Computer__Guru> have never been asked to
[07:29] <DonL> guerrero, I have a friend who just spent a whole lot of money on a mac setup, and he goes on about the programs that came with it (that he bought). Do you miss some of those, or are there linux substitutes that work as well? Just interested
[07:29] <da_bon_bon> man! my shipit cds are still not shipped..
[07:29] <tfort> crimsun, k now i dont have to deal with gnome
[07:29] <nickrud> heh, this channel is as good a linux exam as you can ask for ;P
[07:30] <Computer__Guru> i hear macromedia is developing their studio suite for linux.. that will mark a GREAT day in linux history
[07:30] <AlbanianLord> lol
[07:30] <tfort> crimsun, sorry to be bothering you so much, but im frustrated with how difficult it's been to setup alsa for my soundcard
[07:30] <AlbanianLord> nickrud does it again
[07:30] <Computer__Guru> when fireworks comes out for linux, i will delete windows
[07:30] <Computer__Guru> completely
[07:30] <Computer__Guru> as well as vmware
[07:30] <GrayRoCkStOnE> I ordered some CD's and they sent me about 20.  I've been giving them out to all my friends. LOL
[07:30] <crimsun> sec, lemme get a drink.
[07:30] <guerrero> DonL, wut apps?
[07:30] <Computer__Guru> GrayRoCkStOnE: how long did it take to get them?
[07:30] <AlbanianLord> tfort: crimsun is a sound  master
[07:30] <goldfish> fireworks?
[07:31] <tfort> GrayRoCkStOnE, i ordered 30, 10 powerPC, 10 64, 10 i386
[07:31] <mebaran151> any body have any hints about Mono.net on Ubuntu Hoary AMD64?
[07:31] <mebaran151> I'm at a loss as to how to begin
[07:31] <Computer__Guru> goldfish: about the best vector-based graphics program money can buy
[07:31] <mebaran151> they made a Suse rpm
[07:31] <GrayRoCkStOnE> Computer__Guru:  It took about 3 weeks.
[07:31] <DonL> guerrero, he uses music, video, sound, you know, that stuff
[07:31] <mebaran151> but I dont know if it will work
[07:31] <goldfish> Computer__Guru: ah right.
[07:31] <Computer__Guru> GrayRoCkStOnE: thanks, im waiting on my ppc install discs :)
[07:31] <AlbanianLord> hey i have a question
[07:31] <AlbanianLord> my videocard supports a 1600x1200 res
[07:31] <GrayRoCkStOnE> This is the first time I've really used linux.  So far I like it.
[07:32] <DonL> guerrero, sorry, I'm not too familiar with the names of the mac programmes
[07:32] <AlbanianLord> and i only get 1024x768
[07:32] <Computer__Guru> goldfish: and i own a license to flash mx, fireworks mx, and dreamweaver mx, so when the linux suite comes out, ill be able to snag all three for $99
[07:32] <guerrero> DonL ..there are commercial apps that are easier to use in osx ...like final cut pro and what not..but nothing that has no alternative a linux...its just harder
[07:32] <guerrero> to use
[07:32] <nickrud> AlbanianLord, either, your monitor is not capable of it, or, you have not defined it correctly in xorg.conf
[07:32] <DonL> guerrero, you mean, the linux versions are harder?
[07:32] <GrayRoCkStOnE> I'm attempting to install Doom 3 in Ubuntu right now. LOL
[07:32] <ethics> Computer__Guru, grayrockstone id say adobe has a monopoly on most of the graphics stuff now they own macromedia...
[07:33] <guerrero> its more a philosophical position...the os is kind of monopoly territory...common to all machine and thus ubiquitous..should not be closed or under the control of one company
[07:33] <Computer__Guru> ethics: you're shittin me
[07:33] <AlbanianLord> my monitor can at least pull 1280x1024
[07:33] <guerrero> yes...linux versions are harder
[07:33] <Computer__Guru> when in gods name did this happen?!?!?
[07:33] <pax> AlbanianLord: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg tweak it it the way your want.
[07:33] <NerdGirl> crimsun: Finally...  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/574
[07:33] <ethics> Computer__Guru, months back
[07:33] <holycow> Computer__Guru, there will NEVER be a linux macromedia suite
[07:33] <Computer__Guru> ethics: you got a link to more info on this?
[07:33] <holycow> macromedia never had any linux interest, and adobe has even less
[07:33] <GrayRoCkStOnE> I though Mico$oft bought Macromedia???
[07:33] <DonL> GrayRoCkStOnE, if you get it happening, let me know. I bought a linux version a few years back and haven't been able to make it work in Ubuntu
[07:33] <Computer__Guru> holycow: it was in development as of 8 or so months ago
[07:34] <coreyo> would someone be so kind as to go onto one of the apt repository sites and paste me a link to download libcairo1 ?  There's an md5 sum mismatch and I currently have no way of getting my browser to work without it.
[07:34] <holycow> adobe is also populated by mba's, that only care about bean counting
[07:34] <holycow> Computer__Guru, i seriously doubt it
[07:34] <guerrero> coreyo...don't use "us.*" repositories
[07:34] <bonk> I just set up my tv tuner card... but when I go into tvtime, it says "no signal input"
[07:34] <bonk> sorry, it just says "no signal"
[07:34] <coreyo> guerrero: what do you suggest?
[07:34] <ethics> Computer__Guru, google adobe buys macromedia  hits 1-4
[07:34] <holycow> Computer__Guru, any linkage? i remember someone dropping hints, but i've had enough dealings with macromedia to seriously doubt it
[07:34] <NerdGirl> crimsun: I have a Samsung SyncMaster 175v LCD monitor, capable of 1280x1024 native.  Intel i845GL chipset.
[07:35] <nickrud> AlbanianLord, you either need to add the correct HorizRefresh and VertSync under Monitor, or add the correct Mode under Screen
[07:35] <GrayRoCkStOnE> Well, seems my video isn't installed right. :(
[07:35] <GrayRoCkStOnE> ATI Radeon 9800 pro.
[07:35] <Computer__Guru> holycow: I seriously answered a mm questionaire that wanted to know about interest in a linux/freebsd version of the suite, then about 4 months later got a newsletter int he mail telling me they're beginning the porting process
[07:35] <guerrero> coreyo...the us.* repositories are generating md5 errors
[07:35] <DonL> bonk, what do you have the card hooked up to ?
[07:35] <coreyo> guerrero: so what should I use instead?
[07:35] <bonk> could anyone help me? my aerial is plugged in...
[07:35] <ethics> Computer__Guru, its expected that fireworks will merge with photoshop in some way....like imageready they guess asa  first stage....freehad dies illustrator picks up missing bits....framemaker is unknown
[07:35] <Computer__Guru> holycow: the questionairre was online, but the newsletter cam snail mail
[07:35] <Madpilot> !ati
[07:35] <ubotu> I heard ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:35] <DonL> Aerial?
[07:35] <holycow> Computer__Guru, wow, that would be quite the shock to me
[07:35] <NerdGirl> crimsun: HorizRefresh: 30-81 kHz, VertSync: 56-75 Hz, both by ddcprobe and manufacturer specs.
[07:35] <guerrero> in your sources.list, just delete the "us." poriton
[07:35] <bonk> I dunno how to spell it
[07:36] <guerrero> coreyo,
[07:36] <Computer__Guru> ethics: well that just sucks ass
[07:36] <Madpilot> GrayRoCkStOnE: follow the URL that ubotu just posted.
[07:36] <Computer__Guru> i *despise* photoshop
[07:36] <guerrero> coreyo, like this:
[07:36] <holycow> Computer__Guru, pdf it :)
[07:36] <Computer__Guru> no scanner
[07:36] <bonk> antenna
[07:36] <bonk> thing
[07:36] <DonL> bonk, do you have cable?
[07:36] <bonk> I have an antenna thing on the roof
[07:36] <tfort> crimsun, think i figured the problem
[07:36] <bonk> and it's hooked up to that
[07:36] <crimsun> NerdGirl: that seems awfully low
[07:36] <tfort> i went in and rm'd all of the module files that alsa created when i did this the first time
[07:36] <Computer__Guru> ill check if my wife still has it though, can get to a scanner this weekend
[07:37] <bonk> but it's completely blue in tvtime, and says "no signal"
[07:37] <ethics> Computer__Guru, not really,  both programmed for mac and pc....they competed in the same space.......theres competition etc but nothing big....jasc and a few others in key areas...quark,  corel
[07:37] <holycow> neato, i would love to see that
[07:37] <Computer__Guru> i *hate* photoshop
[07:37] <guerrero> coreyo, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[07:37] <DekaPink> Mmmm... Ubuntu is tasty.
[07:37] <DonL> bonk, I think it has to be an amplified signal like cable or satellite. There may be a way, but I couldn't do it that way.
[07:37] <Computer__Guru> holycow: if adumpy bought them, youc an bet your ass they scrapped the project
[07:37] <guerrero> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[07:37] <crimsun> tfort: ok, sorry about not getting back to you immediately.
[07:37] <holycow> Computer__Guru, absolutely
[07:38] <Computer__Guru> man that pisses me off
[07:38] <tfort> crimsun, its kool
[07:38] <holycow> well at least i have gimp
[07:38] <holycow> i love gimp
[07:38] <bonk> DonL, I plugged in the cord that fits from the antenna on the roof
[07:38] <tfort> k, i went through and finally did the sudo modprobe snd-ca0106
[07:38] <Computer__Guru> fireworks was the absolute best app ever available for web graphics
[07:38] <ethics> Computer__Guru, keep your versions how they are will work for a while macromedia had corporate support agreements so theres going to be patches etc for a while yet....and they need to rebuild stuff together so i think its probably 2 -3 years away as a real product.......nvidia did similar with 3dfx
[07:38] <ethics> ati with firegl.........bought them but nothing was available for years
[07:38] <NerdGirl> the sync ranges?
[07:38] <nickrud> !tell nickrud about sources
[07:38] <coreyo> guerrero: thanks, that did the trick.  Is that server notoriously bad or something?
[07:38] <DonL> bonk, it said it doesn't see a signal. That's your problem.
[07:39] <bonk> hrm
[07:39] <Computer__Guru> ethics: but it also means with 100% certainty that they've scrapped the linux ports for the mm suite
[07:39] <crimsun> NerdGirl: yep
[07:39] <bonk> but when I plug the tv in teh same way, it worked fine
[07:39] <GrayRoCkStOnE> Thanks for the link. I'm trying it now. :)
[07:39] <guerrero> coreyo..not sure...just passing along the info...something is hosed in the us repositories...I expect eventually  it'll be fixed...
[07:39] <bonk> good reception & all
[07:39] <NerdGirl> crimsun: can't help it, that's what I"ve got.
[07:39] <La_PaRCa> I think its time I update to hoary
[07:39] <La_PaRCa> :/
[07:39] <Computer__Guru> which, IMHO, _sucks_
[07:39] <ethics> Computer__Guru: doubtful...both program for mac....bsd/linux should be easy enough
[07:40] <coreyo> guerrero: fair enough.  Thank you.
[07:40] <DonL> bonk, yes I know. There is a problem with an unamplified signal. You'll have to get help for that. Maybe there's a workaround, but I don't know what it is
[07:40] <Computer__Guru> ethics: fireworks will not run under wine, cedega, or cxoffice
[07:40] <guerrero> yer welcome..pass on the info
[07:40] <Computer__Guru> you have to use vmware and windows
[07:40] <Nsaneice> Anyone with FIrefox 1.0.4 or Mozilla 1.7.8 have problems going to http://www.spencergifts.com ?
[07:40] <NerdGirl> crimsun: remember, it's an LCD.
[07:40] <Computer__Guru> flash and dreamweaver both work
[07:40] <Computer__Guru> but not fireworks
[07:40] <tfort> k
[07:40] <tfort> back
[07:41] <Computer__Guru> even with a full win98 install for your wine base
[07:41] <Computer__Guru> fireworks just harfs and dies
[07:41] <Forty|> crimsun, k, its kool with not getting back, i know im buggin you
[07:41] <La_PaRCa> Is there a way to update from warty to hoary without install cds?
[07:41] <bonk> to make sure the card works...
[07:41] <bonk> Does anyone know of an FM tuner program under linux?
[07:41] <Forty|> crimsun, regardless, i did the steps now and now when i go to Multimedia Systems Selector to test it, nothing works
[07:42] <Forty|> i test the sink and it says that the alsa pipeline failes
[07:42] <Computer__Guru> La_PaRCa: yes. change warty to hoary in your /etc/apt/sources.list then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:42] <Forty|> same for the default source
[07:42] <Computer__Guru> make sure you change all instances of warty to hoary
[07:42] <DonL> Nsaneice, no probs here
[07:42] <Computer__Guru> then do sudo spt-get update
[07:42] <^rob^> hello
[07:42] <Computer__Guru> then do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:42] <nickrud> La_PaRCa, as Computer__Guru guru says, but do apt-get update first :)
[07:42] <Nsaneice> DonL: Maybe I need to reinstall?
[07:42] <^rob^> what's ubuntu default root password? - after installing
[07:43] <holycow> Computer__Guru, i've tried to switch to open source tools as much as i can
[07:43] <GrayRoCkStOnE> Ok. Gotta restart.  BBL. Thanks.
[07:43] <Computer__Guru> same way you upgrade a debian system between branches
[07:43] <DonL> Nsaneice, don't know, sorry
[07:43] <nickrud> ^rob^, there is none
[07:43] <^rob^> k
[07:43] <holycow> i've recently found out inkscape isn't bad, you can do some nifty things in it
[07:43] <NerdGirl> ^rob^: no root.  everything's done by sudo and your own pass.
[07:43] <nickrud> !tell ^rob^ about rootsudo
[07:43] <ethics> Computer__Guru, that may be more a directx issue,,,,adobe has current develpment running apps on linux and osx.....not sure if released etc but they were working on one
[07:43] <holycow> i wish i could help quanta get some financing so they could finish that thing
[07:43] <rob^> lol.. dam xchat
[07:43] <Computer__Guru> holycow: when you work int he commercial sector, you can't really afford to reinvent the wheel, or settle for a tricycle when you NEED a harley
[07:43] <Nsaneice> DonL: I have the Java plugin, but not anything else..
[07:43] <La_PaRCa> Computer__Guru, um, already did that. But I am still running XFree
[07:43] <crimsun> Forty|: cat /proc/asound/cards
[07:44] <crimsun> NerdGirl: have you tried hard-coding a modeline?
[07:44] <^rob^> NerdGirl: nice - but gnome asked me for pass - on installing new packages - i usually make sudo to recognize me - without pass
[07:44] <holycow> Computer__Guru, graphic design, *nod* you would definately need the suite
[07:44] <ethics>  Computer__Guru in othernew linux now runs 4 of the major rendering houses....including pixar
[07:44] <crimsun> NerdGirl: for instance, do you want to use 1280x1024 @ 75 Hz?
[07:44] <Forty|> no sound cards
[07:44] <leodogdag> Hello
[07:44] <glick> i wrote a little nifty hello world program, its at 2.02 and its stable, how can i get it incorporated into ubuntu main?
[07:44] <ethics> Computer__Guru, if they want adobe and macromedia apps on linux it will become reality
[07:44] <NerdGirl> crimsun: yeah.  How do I hardcode that?
[07:44] <Computer__Guru> La_PaRCa: you should probably exit to cli before attempting a dist-upgrade
[07:44] <pax> don't forget apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[07:44] <nickrud> glick, can I get your autograph ;)
[07:44] <shadowjack> i'm having a USB device problem. my wacom tablet keeps bouncing between event3 and event 4. so changing my xorg.conf only works until i reboot my computer then it switches to another event. it's very frustrating. anyone that can help?
[07:45] <La_PaRCa> Computer__Guru, how to kill X?
[07:45] <ethics> shadowjack  sounds like hotplug needs a script...
[07:45] <crimsun> NerdGirl: place the following line in your Screen section: Modeline "1280x1024_75.00"  138.54  1280 1368 1504 1728  1024 1025 1028 1069  -HSync +Vsync
[07:45] <Computer__Guru> ethics: i know that mm was enthusiastic about it... considering the entire suite is very largely xml based, porting between platforms is pretty simple... hell they could have redone fireworks with libsdl in about two weeks flat :D
[07:45] <^rob^> this is crap - su can't get to root
[07:45] <pax> La_PaRCa: kill gdm
[07:45] <IceDC571> La_PaRCa, ctrl+alt+backspace to kill x
[07:46] <Computer__Guru> La_PaRCa: CTRL-ALT-F1 -then- login as root -then- killall -9 X && killall -9 gdm
[07:46] <Nsaneice> Well COmcast lost sync...
[07:46] <Computer__Guru> thats how i do it :)
[07:46] <crimsun> NerdGirl: sorry, section Monitor
[07:46] <La_PaRCa> I have a question. I do the dist-upgrade... why does it keep getting its packages from the warty repos?
[07:46] <shadowjack> ethics: it started doing it after i get a UPS. it has a usb connector. i don't know anyting about scripting
[07:46] <nickrud> ^rob^, you can do sudo passwd root to get a root password; alternatively, visudo to edit sudo for not needing to enter your password
[07:46] <ethics> Computer__Guru, macs are still in use at alot of copy houses etc....osx = bsd....seems like they have a reason to code for it...
[07:46] <bonk> how can I make a certain module load on startup?
[07:46] <crimsun> bonk: append it to /etc/modules
[07:46] <Computer__Guru> La_PaRCa: send me a msg, illw alk you through it step by step, you missed a step
[07:46] <crimsun> it->the name of the module
[07:46] <bonk> thanks, crimsun
[07:46] <rob^> ubotu tell ^rob^ about sudo
[07:46] <Forty|> wow crimsun is a maniac for help
[07:47] <ethics> shadowjack does it do the same thing if its plugged in before boot or not plugged until after?
[07:47] <crimsun> Forty|: lsmod|grep ^snd_|wc -l
[07:47] <Forty|> 9
[07:47] <crimsun> Forty|: paste them to me in priv
[07:47] <Forty|> 9 is all i got
[07:47] <shadowjack> ethics, i'm not sure what you mean, it's always plugged in
[07:47] <crimsun> Forty|: sorry, remove |wc -l
[07:48] <Computer__Guru> got la_parca all straightened out
[07:48] <crimsun> Forty|: cat /proc/asound/version
[07:48] <Computer__Guru> ethics: you know they ported maya to linux :D
[07:48] <Computer__Guru> makes me wanna find it and play with it
[07:48] <Howitzer> i have a reiserfs partition which i want to add in fstab, how do i need to note it down?
[07:49] <Howitzer> reiserfs nor reiser re accepted
[07:49] <crimsun> Computer__Guru: there's a free stripped-down version of Maya for Linux
[07:49] <Computer__Guru> you talkin about blender?
[07:49] <ethics> shadowjack....try booting without it and plugging it in after....
[07:49] <Forty|> crimsun, there's also a full version of maya for linux
[07:49] <Computer__Guru> yeah there's real, honest to god maya for linux
[07:49] <crimsun> Forty|: yes, but that full version is very non-free
[07:49] <Forty|> hehe i know
[07:49] <Howitzer> i have a reiserfs partition which i want to add in fstab, how do i need to note it down?? :(
[07:49] <anacron_> morning
[07:50] <Nsaneice> Howitzer: It's  reiserfs
[07:50] <Forty|> i build RH stations for people at a studio with maya
[07:50] <DonL> crimsun, I borrowed a book with cd at the library of Maya. The disk was supposed to have a linux version of the program on it, but didn't .
[07:50] <anacron_> can someone maybe help me with routing today?
[07:50] <ethics> Computer__Guru, nah renderman, softimage, maya, and pixars own proggys are all linux now i believe
[07:50] <Nsaneice> Howitzer: Like so..    /dev/hdc2       /               reiserfs         notail,noatime         0      0
[07:50] <shadowjack> ethics, i'm not going to climb under my desk every time i turn my computer on, that's crazy
[07:50] <DonL> crimsun, Maya, that is
[07:50] <Computer__Guru> i should hit torrentreactor and find maya
[07:50] <Computer__Guru> :D
[07:50] <Howitzer> /dev/hda1	/media/hda1	reiser	defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[07:50] <Forty|> ethics, renderman always was linux
[07:50] <Computer__Guru> is it svgalib or does it run under x?
[07:50] <Forty|> and renderman is pixar
[07:50] <Howitzer> wht is the notail thing
[07:50] <^rob^> rob^: roger - ty
[07:50] <ethics> shadowjack, just try it and work out what is making the event change...
[07:51] <crimsun> Forty|: paste the output from lsmod onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:51] <Nsaneice> notail keeps it from logging when I opened files and ect
[07:51] <Nsaneice> or is thatr noatime
[07:51] <Nsaneice> :/
[07:51] <ethics> shadowjack, you may aslo try it on seperate hubs if you have multiples...
[07:51] <crimsun> NerdGirl: have you placed that modeline into the Monitor section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[07:51] <Howitzer> mount: wrong fs type,
[07:51] <Forty|> crimsun done
[07:51] <Nsaneice> did you setup a file system on it yet?
[07:51] <shadowjack> ethics, i have exactly four usb ports and no hubs
[07:52] <Howitzer> yes i did
[07:52] <Computer__Guru> NerdGirl is having some serious Xorg problems for a chipset that HSOULD not be giving her any grief
[07:52] <Nsaneice> mkfsreiser to that effect
[07:52] <Nsaneice> IC
[07:52] <Howitzer> Minislack is on it
[07:52] <Nsaneice> then I am no help
[07:52] <ethics> shadowjack, the pc has an inbuilt hub for each controller... 4 usb may be on 1 hub or on two hubs....
[07:52] <crimsun> Forty|: no, I needed the full output from lsmod (no filters)
[07:52] <Forty|> oh ok
[07:52] <Forty|> here ya go
[07:52] <Howitzer> but i forgot to install the bootloader so i need to create one but i have no idea where the boot-image is
[07:52] <Nsaneice> should be under /boot/
[07:53] <Forty|> up now
[07:53] <^rob^> anyone has aiptek 12000U tablet here?
[07:53] <ethics> shadowjack, lspci and count the usb lines...i have 4 but i have 8 usbports onboard
[07:53] <DonL> getting late... Night all
[07:53] <shadowjack> ethics, i'll have to take your word for it, i don't know anything about it
[07:54] <Howitzer> pfoe
[07:54] <Howitzer> i haven't slept all night damnit
[07:54] <shadowjack> ethics, it appears i have two usb controllers
[07:54] <ethics> shadowjack, if you can work out if the table doesnt switch if its on seperate hubs...or if it works great if you plug it in after boot you have a process you want to mimic in module loading orders
[07:54] <shadowjack> ethics, i didn't understand a word of that
[07:54] <ethics> shadowjack, the 4 ports ar in pairs on the computer.....try on alternate pairs
[07:55] <Howitzer> YES
[07:55] <Howitzer> I DID IT \ o /
[07:55] <Howitzer> i'm so proud
[07:55] <ethics> !prize Howitzer
[07:55] <ubotu> ethics: I don't know
[07:55] <Howitzer> :D
[07:55] <chibifs> Howitzer - Did what? :o
[07:55] <NerdGirl> Haven't changed the line yet...  afraid that if I do, won't get any graphical environment back.
[07:55] <ethics> bah ubotu needs a personality overhaul\
[07:56] <Howitzer> NerdGirl, you can always change that line in terminal style :D
[07:56] <anacron_> NerdGirl: there's no need for graphics, all you need is unix :D
[07:56] <crimsun> Forty|: lspci -v|grep audio
[07:56] <rob^> ethics, its because people fill him full of crap
[07:56] <NerdGirl> man pages are still a bit mysterious to me.
[07:56] <chibifs> nano is a self-explanitory editor.
[07:56] <ethics> shadowjack, if you can nail out what does work you can bugreport it so they can try make it do it automatically etc..
[07:56] <Computer__Guru> only maya i found is v6 for fedora blah
[07:57] <Forty|> anyway to stop apt-get from doing MD5Sum checks?
[07:57] <Computer__Guru> there's supposed to be an iso floating around
[07:57] <chibifs> It's easier to use than EDIT in MSDOS.
[07:57] <crimsun> Forty|: use a different mirror to work around the US archive mirrors' fubar
[07:57] <Forty|> damn
[07:57] <goldfish> chibifs: yes.
[07:57] <goldfish> i agree.
[07:57] <GNULinuxer> NerdGirl: what is your problem?
[07:57] <shadowjack> ethics, i guess except i don't know anything about how usb works or even what it is i would be reporting
[07:58] <Forty|> is there a command that will automatically add mirrors to the source list like portages' system?
[07:58] <GNULinuxer> Forty|: no
[07:58] <crimsun> Forty|: I see your issue. When you said "24-bit", I immediately thought of the actual 24-bit sblive, which uses snd_ca0106
[07:58] <Forty|> damni
[07:58] <shadowjack> ethics, all i know is that the event keeps changing on my wacom tablet
[07:58] <NerdGirl> GNULinuxer: problems with Intel i84GL chipset and Samsung LCD monitor.
[07:58] <i`Gamers^Sugar`e> Hello, I would like some assistance installing ubuntu amd64
[07:58] <Forty|> yea.. i'm needing the emu arent i?
[07:58] <Computer__Guru> this is funny, the keygen for vmware is a .exe
[07:58] <crimsun> Forty|: it turns out you actually _do_ need to use snd_emu10k1
[07:58] <Howitzer> eek
[07:58] <GNULinuxer> NerdGirl: not getting hi res?
[07:58] <Forty|> hehee
[07:58] <Forty|> its kool
[07:58] <Forty|> time to redo the whole process
[07:58] <goldfish> Computer__Guru: :)
[07:58] <Howitzer> grubconf freezed :x
[07:58] <crimsun> Forty|: next time, please don't say "24-bit" :)
[07:58] <Forty|> haha
[07:58] <greatzky> helllo.
[07:58] <goldfish> Computer__Guru: run it in wine :)
[07:58] <Forty|> it's kool
[07:58] <greatzky> i'm new to ubuntu
[07:58] <greatzky> just installed it
[07:59] <Computer__Guru> goldfish: good idea :D
[07:59] <goldfish> cool
[07:59] <crimsun> Forty|: since there actually is a distinct driver for the 24-bit ones
[07:59] <Forty|> k
[07:59] <NerdGirl> GNULinuxer: 640x480 only.   no other options available...  kept trying messing with xconfig, but no avail.
[07:59] <Forty|> so emu10k1 instead
[07:59] <nickrud> welcome, greatzky  :)
[07:59] <Forty|> going to work on that now
[07:59] <Forty|> brb
[07:59] <chibifs> Oooh, that reminds me, I need to get 1920x1440x60hz working :/
[07:59] <greatzky> thank you
[07:59] <Computer__Guru> goldfish find me the maya iso on a torrent site :D
[07:59] <GNULinuxer> NerdGirl: just edit the xorg.conf file
[07:59] <ethics> shadowjack: sending them a descriptive story of what goes wrong...ie if i boot with wacom usb tablet model XXXX plugged in on the same controller as my XXXX i get events changing from 3-4.  when i do it on a different controller XXXX happens...  and so forth
[07:59] <i`Gamers^Sugar`e> May I have some assistance with installing the 64 bit version of ubuntu?
[07:59] <greatzky> anyone know how to get more than 3 resolutions??
[07:59] <GNULinuxer> NerdGirl: it's a snap
[07:59] <greatzky> i remember in the install i set my resolution higher
[07:59] <chibifs> xfree86 will do it, xorg won't. :/
[07:59] <NerdGirl> if you've been on linux for a long time, yeah
[07:59] <GNULinuxer> NerdGirl: it's just that your monitor wasn't detected
[07:59] <greatzky> but when i go into resolutions in Ubuntu it only gives me 3 to choose from. all of which are less than what i want.
[07:59] <crimsun> NerdGirl: which editor are you comfortable with?
[08:00] <Howitzer> sudo  grubconf
[08:00] <NerdGirl> notepad
[08:00] <Howitzer> oh crap
[08:00] <shadowjack> ethics, but is that even a bug? honestly, i wouldn't know. for all i know it's supposed to do that
[08:00] <crimsun> NerdGirl: hmm, how about nano instead?
[08:00] <ethics> shadowjack, devs normally can read english and will understand that kind of report from the less technical....they expect you to include some logs etc but reporter should tell you what they need.
[08:00] <NerdGirl> goodnight everybody.  can't handle this right now anyway.
[08:00] <GNULinuxer> NerdGirl: use gedit
[08:00] <Howitzer> my X-Chat looks way too much like my Gnome Term :x
[08:00] <crimsun> NerdGirl:
[08:00] <crimsun> k
[08:00] <shadowjack> ethics, logs?
[08:00] <DekaPink> o.O
[08:00] <DekaPink> My computer is playing music for no reason from no program. :3
[08:00] <GNULinuxer> NerdGirl: do you have the monitor manual?
[08:00] <Madpilot> good music?
[08:01] <shadowjack> ethics, i know nothing of logs
[08:01] <DekaPink> Some incomplete file from my friend... I clicked it to delete it and ubuntu started playing it. :3
[08:01] <GNULinuxer> Madpilot: he's talking about the event sounds imo
[08:01] <crimsun> GNULinuxer: actually her monitor was correctly detected, but something caused the init process to overshoot the clock
[08:01] <hondje> manuals suck
[08:01] <GNULinuxer> crimsun: whoops
[08:01] <crimsun> GNULinuxer: we were going to try a hard-coded modeline for 1280x1024 @ 75 Hz
[08:01] <chibifs> I think it's because xorg identifies it as the HP-P1100, and Xfree86 identifies it as the Compaq-P1100-- o_o;;.. It's a compaq refurbished with hp parts, but still supports 1920x1440, and monitor autodetection really peeves me.
[08:01] <Madpilot> GNULinuxer: that was a feeble joke, actually... ;P
[08:01] <ethics> shadowjack, if you report it they look and tell you...if you dont report it then never know it happens...
[08:01] <GNULinuxer> crimsun: yeah ... even i would have said that
[08:01] <goldfish> Computer__Guru: Alias Maya?
[08:02] <GNULinuxer> Madpilot: lol
[08:02] <HrdwrBoB> chibifs: 1920 is only really supported in the 1110
[08:02] <DekaPink> Oh good, it stopped. :3
[08:02] <Howitzer> what is the initrd in grub?, because Minislack doesn't seem to have one :/
[08:02] <GNULinuxer> Howitzer: it's the initial RAMdisk image
[08:02] <chibifs> chibifs - It works fine in windows and with xfree86 :P
[08:02] <chibifs> Er, Bob xD
[08:02] <Howitzer> can you do without initrd?
[08:02] <Computer__Guru> goldfish: yeah.. i found the hacked rpm dist, but there's an honest to god all-versions-of-linux iso out there somewhere :)
[08:03] <GNULinuxer> Howitzer: it's not necessary if the FS drivers are built-in
[08:03] <chibifs> Damn I'm out of it. :D
[08:03] <ethics> shadowjack, normally they tell you what to do on the bug tracking site or in an app....i just came from debian to ubunto on one of my boxes so i dont know ubuntu bug methods etc but debians just has a bug reporting program and instructions are in that
[08:03] <nickrud> Howitzer, if you compile your kernel yourself yes
[08:03] <Howitzer> as in reiserfs?
[08:03] <levander> Anybody know if autofs4 is enabled in the ubuntu kernels? autofs4 so that I can use autofs.
[08:03] <se7enone> After installing xmms and dependencies, I run the thing but it freezes as soon as I press play. Any ideas?
[08:03] <ethics> shadowjack, it may already be reported as a bug and not fixed yet....
[08:03] <GNULinuxer> Howitzer: depends if ReiserFS, ext2 drivers are built-in or not
[08:03] <shadowjack> ethics, but i don't know what "it" is
[08:04] <GNULinuxer> se7enone: tell XMMS to use esd
[08:04] <nickrud> Howitzer, exactly, the ubuntu kernel is very modularized, and the modules you need to boot are put in the initrd if my memory serves
[08:04] <Howitzer> pfoe
[08:04] <nickrud> pfoe? don't know that one
[08:04] <Forty|> crimsun, ok now i repeated the steps with emu10k1 isntead
[08:04] <chibifs> HrdwrBoB - http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/compaq/p1100.html It's this model.
[08:05] <goldfish> Computer__Guru: there's a couple of torrents
[08:05] <ethics> shadowjack, bugs are tracked by package.....wacom and hardware detection id guess without knowing the bts
[08:05] <crimsun> Forty|: ok, now sudo modprobe -r snd_ca0106 && sudo modprobe snd_emu10k1
[08:05] <ethics> shadowjack, bts: bug tracking system
[08:05] <Forty|> already rmmod ca0106
[08:05] <Computer__Guru> goldfish: only torrent site im really aware of since the death of suprnova is torrentreactor
[08:05] <qt2> holy crap..
[08:05] <qt2> the fints on this, look tiny... o.o;
[08:05] <chibifs> But xorg is picking it up as http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/hp/hpp1110d2847w.html this model.
[08:05] <crimsun> Forty|: so /proc/asound/cards should list your sblive
[08:05] <Howitzer> Is this a valid GRUB Menu item?
[08:05] <Howitzer> title Mini-Slack(ware)
[08:05] <Howitzer> #:0 <-- type: 0 => linux, 1 => windows, 2 => other
[08:05] <Howitzer> 	root (hd0,0)
[08:05] <Howitzer> 	kernel  /dev/hda1/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.10ata root=/dev/hda1
[08:05] <Howitzer> oops
[08:06] <Howitzer> sorry
[08:06] <Howitzer> didn't knew it was that big :(
[08:06] <weirdcreep> Ken Charles Barger, 47, accidentally shot himself to death in December in Newton, NC. Awakening to the sound of a ringing telephone beside his bed, he reached for the phone but grabbed instead a Smith & Wesson 38 Special, which discharged when he drew it to his ear.
[08:06] <qt2> Computer__Guru, torrentspy is woot kthx... :o
[08:06] <Forty|> yep
[08:06] <Forty|> lists it
[08:06] <Howitzer> okay
[08:06] <Forty|> now... to test it if it works
[08:06] <i`Gamers^Sugar`e> I would like some help finding instructions for installing the new version of ubuntu 64 bit
[08:06] <Howitzer> i'm going to boot now \ o /
[08:06] <ethics> shadowjack, if it does work consistantly when plugged in on an different hub to now or when plugged in after boot  you could get easy solution .....you can get a hub for like 30 buck leave it on your desk and plug in the table when you wanted too
[08:06] <Computer__Guru> j0o 4r3 313373
[08:07] <ethics> shadowjack, not the perfect solution but better than now 8)
[08:07] <Seveas> i`Gamers^Sugar`e, just pop in the disk and answer the simple questions it asks :)
[08:08] <qt2> Computer__Guru, ;)
[08:08] <shadowjack> ethics, thanks. i guess i mess around with plugging and unpluggin my usb devices and see what happens
[08:08] <GNULinuxer> Seveas: hola!
[08:08] <Seveas> hi
[08:08] <chibifs> Why in the world did I throw out my floppy? :/ I need to reinstall SmartBootManager on this laptop :/
[08:08] <chibifs> Can't CD boot without it ;_;
[08:09] <ethics> shadowjack, once you understand what is happening inside the system through those tests you may find a solution easier to identify.
[08:09] <nickrud> chibifs, so, you're a bridge burner ;\
[08:09] <Forty|> damnit i forgot the line
[08:09] <Forty|> whats the command to unmute alsa?
[08:09] <ethics> whats a floppy drive...looks at his boxes
[08:09] <ethics> forty alsamixer
[08:09] <ethics> forty m unmutes in that
[08:09] <Seveas> amixer --toggle "Main"
[08:09] <Seveas> (oslt)
[08:10] <Computer__Guru> or just use kmix :D
[08:10] <Seveas> amixer --toggle "Master"
[08:10] <Computer__Guru> oh thats right, you're all gnome people ;)
[08:10] <chibifs> nickrud - I'm rebuilding my computer into a monitor shell and replacing the display with an LCD, no room for floppies anymore :P
[08:10] <Seveas> gnome-volume-control :)
[08:10] <crimsun> Forty|: you also should push via82xx to something other than primary: echo "options snd-via82xx index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[08:10] <ethics> nickrud, i have a drive for 8" at work....its not able to be plugged into anythin since 1986
[08:10] <Seveas> but he asked for a command :)
[08:10] <chibifs> I want all of my computers to be portable :D
[08:10] <againstme24> what is a good app for packet sniffing?
[08:11] <GNULinuxer> againstme24: snort
[08:11] <ethics> againstme24, ethereal
[08:11] <concept10> Ethereal?
[08:11] <againstme24> is that for wired or wireless or both?
[08:11] <Seveas> againstme24, airsnort :)
[08:11] <Computer__Guru> chibifs: lowes has universably mountable handles starting at $4.99 each
[08:11] <chibifs> againstme24 - You know that packet sniffing is illegal in the US, right? :O
[08:11] <ethics> ether ape if you just want a pretty idea of whos moving traffic
[08:11] <nickrud> ethics, yeah, I think that's about the last time I read those things
[08:11] <againstme24> im doing it on my network
[08:11] <Computer__Guru> err universally
[08:12] <chibifs> Computer__Guru - I'm not lugging around a full ATX tower wherever I go.
[08:12] <crimsun> chibifs: please don't spread FUD. It's not illegal.
[08:12] <againstme24> which one is good for a wired netowrk?
[08:12] <hondje> since when is packet sniffing illegal?
[08:12] <ethics> nickrud, good for evening up shelves and desks i find....
[08:12] <chibifs> crimsun - That was a drug joke :P
[08:12] <crimsun> heh
[08:12] <Computer__Guru> chibifs: go get an old compaq suitcase computer, gut it, install a 9" lcd, and put your pc int here :D get creative with a dremel and you could mount a nice trackball ont he side :D:D
[08:12] <nickrud> ethics, maybe we should ask pournelle if he still has something that reads them :)
[08:12] <againstme24> is snort for a wired network?
[08:12] <Forty|> hmmm
[08:12] <ethics> actually packet sniffing other peoples traffic is technically illegal in some places...
[08:13] <Forty|> ok, so now alsamixer shows the soundcard
[08:13] <Forty|> but no sound
[08:13] <Madpilot> !lamp
[08:13] <ubotu> rumour has it, lamp is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary
[08:13] <ethics> nickrud, but half my office leans without them....i cant put them to their real use hehee
[08:13] <Computer__Guru> it's illegal in the US, unless the sniffer and sniffee are both ont he same lan
[08:13] <chibifs> Computer__Guru - A suitcase was my first idea, but I want to keep the powersupply /inside/ of the device.
[08:13] <Forty|> brb
[08:13] <nickrud> ethics, paperbacks from goodwill are good for that
[08:14] <ethics> nickrud, thats like the watchtower or some bible bashing book?
[08:14] <ethics> nickrud im aussie i dont think we have them hehe
[08:14] <crimsun> Forty|: paste the output from amixer onto the pastebin
[08:14] <nickrud> ethics, heh
[08:14] <Computer__Guru> chibifs: hrmmm.. go with nano-itx motherboards and Via C7M processors.. they consume less than 7watts @ 2Ghz, could easily run a system off a battery that way
[08:15] <chibifs> Computer__Guru - New hardware isn't an option.
[08:15] <nickrud> oooh, compaq luggables, I still see them in the surplus places
[08:15] <Computer__Guru> yeah iom gonna get one and do exactly what i just told chibifs to do :D
[08:15] <Madpilot> somebody locally built a luggable in one of those metal briefcases.
[08:15] <Madpilot> can't remember which distro he runs on it. not ubuntu, anyway
[08:16] <Computer__Guru> Madpilot: that was basically my idea for the nano-itx system
[08:16] <Computer__Guru> aluminum briefcase
[08:16] <Computer__Guru> would be badass
[08:16] <Raskall> I am published. The used my letter in the latest Linux Format (LXF69)
[08:16] <ethics> i made an xbox portable out of a rack case for audo racks....stage music equipment
[08:16] <Madpilot> I think his is m-atx. maybe even regular atx
[08:16] <Raskall> And I am referring to ubuntu in the letter too.
[08:16] <Madpilot> really luggable, not portable!
[08:17] <umar_> hey any Linux Database Programmer here?
[08:17] <Computer__Guru> ethics: I have a 7-xbox farm all running cromwell/gentooX performing a distributed networking experiment :D
[08:17] <ethics> well it has a ups in it that runs the xbox for 4 hours 8)
[08:17] <x55> has anyone had any troubles getting vlc  via apt-get?
[08:17] <Computer__Guru> xboxen make AWESOME PC's if you know how to unsolder a ram chip and install a bigger one
[08:17] <nickrud> gamers ;P
[08:17] <ethics> Computer__Guru, hehe i have xboxen for my mythtv frontends at home 8)
[08:17] <umar_> i have developed a database in SQL server in windows with from designed in Visual Basic
[08:17] <ethics> best idea i had last year
[08:17] <Computer__Guru> right on
[08:18] <umar_> can i migrate to linux
[08:18] <rob^> ethics, what can you do with mythtv on an xbox?
[08:18] <ethics> Computer__Guru, waiting for the new one so i can emulate on linux
[08:18] <artic_fox> Mono.net on AMD64?
[08:18] <artic_fox> ....
[08:18] <artic_fox> Any way to get started
[08:18] <umar_> how can i host that database in linux
[08:18] <ethics> rob^ all the frontend stuff....watch tv recorded proggys my mp3s  @)k of them and stuff...
[08:18] <Computer__Guru> ethics: I used the DreamX as a guideline, got a 1.5ghz tulatin working, ripped out the two 32mb memory chips, and soldered in 4 128mb chips
[08:18] <rob^> ethics, cool might check it out
[08:19] <Computer__Guru> that's my main xbox, the one i play games with :D
[08:19] <Computer__Guru> but you should see gentooX run on it WHEEEEEEEEEEE
[08:19] <ethics> Computer__Guru, i just left mine as celes hehe they dont do much else hehe
[08:19] <ethics> dreamx for my gaming one tho 8)
[08:19] <Computer__Guru> dude gentoo SCREAMS on that box
[08:19] <Computer__Guru> i didnt do dreamx, i just fabricated the board they use from radio shack parts :D
[08:20] <ethics> xebian on mine...i hate compiling
[08:20] <Computer__Guru> compiling is no problem when you actually have some ram
[08:20] <aatim> hgjfjhg
[08:20] <aatim> ghj
[08:20] <aatim> gh
[08:20] <aatim> jg
[08:20] <aatim> hj
[08:20] <ethics> hehe i just cant stand watching a box for hours then having run at the same speed as my mate with apt files hehe
[08:21] <Computer__Guru> dude nevermind the proc upgrade, yank those two 32mb chips out, and install 4x64 or 4x128
[08:21] <Computer__Guru> its not hard
[08:21] <nickrud> ethics, a man after my one heart :)  This evening was the first time I was forced to compile something in over a year
[08:21] <ethics> aatim....try to use those squiggly thing to form words
[08:21] <Computer__Guru> just make sure its the same parity
[08:21] <ethics> aatim its like apattern of them makes sense to everyone else if its the right pattern
[08:21] <Computer__Guru> xebian will rock and roll on it
[08:21] <Forty|> k back
[08:22] <ethics> Computer__Guru, ill look into it...
[08:22] <nickrud> Computer__Guru, xebian?
[08:22] <Computer__Guru> vmware workstation 5 is coming in at 40k/s.. cant bitch about that
[08:22] <goldfish> :)
[08:22] <ethics> Computer__Guru, im thinking the new 360 wil be a bad thing for microsoft.....they are dagerously close to losing control
[08:22] <Computer__Guru> ethics: or at the very least take an old or broken xbox pull the 2x32 out of it and put them iny our production box
[08:22] <Forty|> ethics, you kidding? power on that sucker is awesome
[08:23] <Forty|> crimsun, you there still?
[08:23] <Computer__Guru> nickrud: xebian == debian for the xbox
[08:23] <crimsun> Forty|: ?
[08:23] <Forty|> ps3, although it has the cel processor
[08:23] <Computer__Guru> the only thing that chokes the xbox is the lack of ram
[08:23] <Computer__Guru> but, imo, 128 is still too little.. ymmv
[08:23] <Forty|> crimsun, hey sorry, so i got everythign setup and it's actually running music in rhythmbox, however, no sound is coming
[08:23] <nickrud> Computer__Guru, yeah, I'm slowly waiting for the site to load :)
[08:23] <ethics> forty yeah but its going to be cracked and we get both games for linux and xbox emulation for any other boxes if we get enough time..
[08:23] <crimsun> Forty|: paste the output from amixer onto the pastebin
[08:24] <Computer__Guru> ethics: i hear xebian w/fluxbox rocks and rolls on a stock xbox
[08:24] <ethics> Forty|, they are emulating to get backward comaptability which means we have a working emulator to copy
[08:24] <ethics> Computer__Guru, yeah i stopped looking after i set up myth...ill find a new hobby on xbox 360 i think
[08:25] <nickrud> oh, my god, you modders are intense :)
[08:25] <Forty|> crimsun, i think it shows master at 0, so i dont think it's setting right when i edit with alsamixer
[08:25] <Computer__Guru> ethics: the xbox community isnt very enthusiastic about the 360... it looks like its gonna be a nightmare
[08:25] <Forty|> Computer__Guru, ps3 doesn't look much better
[08:25] <ethics> hehe well its the geek in us....although i play sports too hehe and musician hehe
[08:25] <Computer__Guru> sure doesnt
[08:25] <anacron_> xbox 360 looks terrible ;D
[08:25] <Forty|> Computer__Guru, the boomerang controllers are dumb
[08:25] <qt2> err... where exactly do i change font colors in ubuntu?
[08:25] <Forty|> i like the xbo360's online layout
[08:25] <ethics> Computer__Guru, yeah but the mack guys on xbox scene are excited 8)
[08:26] <Forty|> crimsun, its up btw
[08:26] <anacron_> only goodlooking new console is that nintendo's one
[08:26] <Computer__Guru> theyre supposed to be the most comfortable controller ever
[08:26] <Madpilot> nickrud: modders are all insane!
[08:26] <crimsun> Forty|: no, you need to turn up Master, unmute PCM, and turn up PCM
[08:26] <goldfish> anacron_: yeah it looks nice.
[08:26] <Computer__Guru> ethics: excited to see it, but wary of what its gonna take to crack it
[08:26] <Madpilot> nickrud: and I should know, my windowed PC tower is full of red LEDs, just because I could...
[08:26] <ethics> Computer__Guru, if we can get emulation working we can get xbox games on linux.....better than a console for alot of them....notice all the mod uploaders are linux...
[08:26] <anacron_> Madpilot: i am? i don't think so *giggles*
[08:26] <Computer__Guru> ethics: I was one of the first xbox crackers.. i started hacking boxen before there was even a completed bios :D 11/01
[08:26] <Computer__Guru> yeah i know
[08:27] <nickrud> I laid my soldering iron down years ago.  Maybe I'll take it up again. Not.
[08:27] <ethics> Computer__Guru, i started at 1.2 boxes helping out mates etc  never bothered about cashing in hehe
[08:27] <anacron_> if i'll get one of those consoles someday, i probably just install snes emulator there and play those old good games :DDDD
[08:27] <Computer__Guru> i don't do tsop mods, and i rarely use a chip that requires a drop of solder
[08:28] <Computer__Guru> ethics: my first box was/is (still have it) a 1.0 w/matrix
[08:28] <ethics> nickrud its amazing what you can do with a paperclip a soldering iron and a good idea....  ive fixed 42 inch monitors with that hehehe   i have one still hehe
[08:28] <Computer__Guru> i want a fuckin 42" monitor
[08:28] <Computer__Guru> wow
[08:28] <Computer__Guru> sell me one
[08:28] <Madpilot> modding can be a useful art. my box runs cooler and has front ports for audio & USB, none of which it came with...
[08:28] <Forty|> k thanks so much
[08:28] <Forty|> do i need to do something to save everything so this will dot his everytime?
[08:29] <ethics> Computer__Guru, 1.2 dies a powersupply death  im on 1.3 with x2 and something else evox maybee i flashed around
[08:29] <Forty|> i of course noticed that i can't do rc-update add alsa default
[08:29] <ethics> Computer__Guru, others are all tsops
[08:29] <anacron_> Madpilot: usually modding is about making product better, not because of the looks :D
[08:30] <Computer__Guru> yeah my monster box has 4xUSB, 1xAC3-Audio, a 2 1/2" x 1" LCD, and purple LED's :D
[08:30] <ethics> anacron_, more colours , spraypaiters than ever before tho
[08:30] <Computer__Guru> it also has a tulatin 1.5ghz celeron, and 512mb ram
[08:30] <Computer__Guru> and a xenium ice
[08:30] <Computer__Guru> and a 250gb hdd
[08:30] <Computer__Guru> heheh
[08:30] <goldfish> any pics?
[08:31] <anacron_> well getting stuff windowed and putting light's there is hot right now, but i think that's someway stupid, most of those stuff looks ugly
[08:31] <Computer__Guru> not anymore.. not since my last windoze crash :(
[08:31] <Forty|> are you two talking about xbox modding?
[08:31] <nickrud> beige is good :P
[08:31] <Computer__Guru> my son kidnapped it.. i cant even get on the damned thing these days
[08:31] <crimsun> Forty|: no, it's fine now.
[08:31] <anacron_> Forty|: not just xbox, other stuff as well
[08:31] <Computer__Guru> Forty|: yar
[08:31] <Forty|> ah ok
[08:31] <ethics> you can have  a search for xbox case mod sites theres lots....some are step by step galleries some are just awesome results..
[08:31] <Forty|> yea, mine is modded, but all i did was put a new switch on the back
[08:31] <Tiago> hi
[08:31] <Tiago> im n00b
[08:31] <nickrud> hey, Tiago
[08:32] <reka> Computer__Guru: you get your emulator sound back?
[08:32] <IceDC571> doesnt tcl look lovely?
[08:32] <Computer__Guru> www.casemods.com has an xbox section
[08:32] <Computer__Guru> reka: yeah
[08:32] <Forty|> was going to put a spinning set of blue leds behind the top xbox sign
[08:32] <Tiago> downloading kubuntu
[08:32] <Forty|> but im very lazy
[08:32] <Computer__Guru> reka: problem was with keventd
[08:32] <reka> Computer__Guru: righto
[08:32] <ethics> Computer__Guru, hmm im looking at my xebian box thinking ubuntu would crossgrade on that 8)
[08:32] <Computer__Guru> ethics: it most certainly would.... change your sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade :D
[08:33] <anacron_> Forty|: it's not about lazyness when we nerd's are modding, it's for your country!
[08:33] <Tiago> i have mepis currently installed on my pc and im going to install kubuntu over it is that safe?
[08:33] <Tiago> i hav only been using linux for 2 days now
[08:33] <ethics> Computer__Guru, may be my next crossgrade...i just came from etch/unstable
[08:33] <Computer__Guru> and its definately an upgrade from xebian
[08:33] <nickrud> Tiago, yes, that will work fine
[08:33] <GrAyRoCkStOnE> HI to everyone.
[08:33] <GrAyRoCkStOnE> I need some help here. Please.
[08:33] <nickrud> Tiago, and, a good choice :)
[08:33] <Tiago> i installed kde 3.4.1 and xorg on mepis and alot of apps became unstable
[08:34] <Tiago> but kubuntu comes with xorg stock yeah?
[08:34] <Computer__Guru> im gonna make some tea, take a piss, and grab my ice cream.. ill bbiaf
[08:34] <nickrud> Tiago, yes
[08:34] <GrAyRoCkStOnE> I need to update from GLIBC 2.1 to 2.2 or 2.3... what is the best way of doin that?
[08:34] <GrAyRoCkStOnE> Ubuntu linux that is.
[08:34] <GrAyRoCkStOnE> I'm new to linux.
[08:34] <crimsun> GrAyRoCkStOnE: Ubuntu already has Glibc2.3
[08:34] <GrAyRoCkStOnE> It says My version is 2.1
[08:34] <crimsun> it's lying
[08:34] <Tiago> nickrud, what should i do when installing kubuntu?
[08:34] <crimsun> and what is "it"?
[08:34] <ethics> ok well im off  footy tonight
[08:35] <Tiago> shoudl i just install over my existing root and home partitions?
[08:35] <reka> Tiago: yep, just delete the mepis partitions and then use the free space for kubuntu
[08:35] <nickrud> Tiago, I'd save anything from the home partition (personal stuff) and install over
[08:36] <crimsun> GrAyRoCkStOnE: for instance, ls /lib/libc*so
[08:36] <Forty|> where does ubuntu leave its rc?
[08:36] <GrAyRoCkStOnE> I'm trying to install ATI Radeon 9800 drivers.  When I go to raun the installer, it says I'm running Glibc 2.1
[08:36] <nickrud> hi, reka
[08:36] <Forty|> i want to have torsmo and fspanel load when openbox loads
[08:36] <crimsun> GrAyRoCkStOnE: no. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:36] <Forty|> and i can't use xinitrc with gdm
[08:36] <biharym> hi
[08:37] <GrAyRoCkStOnE> hmmm...
[08:37] <reka> hehe...daniels scared biharym off :)
[08:38] <Tiago> when instalingl kubuntu will i have an option to partition or a tool to partition or formar?
[08:38] <nickrud> Tiago, yes, and it's pretty simple to do.
[08:39] <spasmodo> anyone running nmap?
[08:39] <nickrud> Tiago, I just did an install today, so my memory is fresh :)
[08:40] <Tiago> will it be hard for some one like me? rmemeber i have only 2 days of linux experiance lol
[08:40] <Tiago> lol im in windows now... and i feel so frustrated... i dont know why i just want linux
[08:40] <spasmodo> Can someone offer advice on linking libraries (ln -s)?
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> heh
[08:40] <F-Stalkr> I have a stupid question...what's the root password by default?
[08:40] <Forty|> Tiago, GO!
[08:41] <Dr_Willis> Tiago,  hang in there! Youy can do it!
[08:41] <Belutz> tiago: same thing with me... i just finished installing ubuntu :D
[08:41] <nickrud> Tiago, as a general rule, hit the enter key just about everywhere in the install, it's pretty smart
[08:41] <Madpilot> !sudo
[08:41] <Dr_Willis> We belive in you!
[08:41] <ubotu> I heard sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:41] <Forty|> F-Stalkr, there isn't a root by default
[08:41] <Forty|> you use sudo
[08:41] <nickrud> lol
[08:41] <Madpilot> F-Stalkr: see ubotu's link for info
[08:41] <F-Stalkr> how do I add a root?
[08:41] <Forty|> because ubuntu, much like mac, thinks their users are too stupid to use root
[08:41] <Dr_Willis> F-Stalkr,  best way is to learn to use the 'sudo
[08:41] <Dr_Willis> F-Stalkr,  best way is to learn to use the 'sudo' habbit.
[08:41] <nickrud> !tell F-Stalkr about rootsudo
[08:41] <VIPER^|^> hello there
[08:42] <spasmodo> Can someone offer advice on linking libraries (ln -s)?
[08:42] <Computer__Guru> ive returned
[08:42] <Dr_Willis> spamalope,  care to go into a little more details?
[08:42] <F-Stalkr> thanks
[08:42] <Computer__Guru> you may resume now
[08:42] <nickrud> Computer__Guru, thanks for the warning :)
[08:42] <Computer__Guru> netime
[08:42] <Forty|> ttp://www.ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword
[08:42] <Tiago> man i cant wait
[08:42] <Forty|> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword
[08:42] <Forty|> sorry there ya go
[08:43] <spasmodo> Dr_Willis - are you talking too me?
[08:43] <reka> !ubuntuguide
[08:43] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is probably a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[08:43] <nickrud> !ubuntuguide
[08:43] <Computer__Guru> basically, type: sudp passwd
[08:43] <Tiago> some people over on mepis are saying ubuntu is slow... lol im wondering if they are running p2's or some thign?
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> i forget.. :P
[08:43] <reka> Forty|: :p
[08:43] <Tiago> snce alot of linyx users have slow comps
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> Tiago,  ask them how they are benchmarking it.
[08:43] <Tiago> i think it should ru wel on my pc
[08:43] <Computer__Guru> ubuntu DOES come with a root account, it's just not initialized.. giving it a password does that
[08:43] <The_Vox> damn, DMA makes a hell of a difference with CD/DVD burners
[08:44] <reka> Tiago: what's the default desktop environment on mepis?
[08:44] <Tiago> kde 3.3.1
[08:44] <Tiago> xfree86
[08:44] <Tiago> but i was running kde 3.4.1 and xorg on there today and it ran very fast with full visuals
[08:44] <Tiago> but superkaramba wasent working right
[08:44] <spasmodo> Dr_Willis - I want to install nmap 3,81 - but it needs a different library  libc6  2.3.2.ds1-21
[08:45] <nickrud> bogomips is the only true measure of a machine
[08:45] <spasmodo> ubuntu has -2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13
[08:45] <Tiago> well considering there are 30 people in the mepis channel and 300 people in here lol it kinda says some thing
[08:45] <spasmodo> I think they are pretty similar ?
[08:45] <spasmodo> so I want to just make a link
[08:45] <Computer__Guru> yeah bogomips is a good universal meter
[08:45] <nickrud> lol
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> spasmodo,  - How are you trying to install nmap?
[08:46] <Computer__Guru> since everyone has a different interpretation of MHz
[08:46] <Tiago> woops there are 400 people in here
[08:46] <nickrud> Tiago, and, that's the lowest number I've ever seen here
[08:46] <spasmodo> Dr_Willis - from source - I CAN get 3.75 from apt, but I hear 3.81 is much faster
[08:46] <Computer__Guru> there really 400 ppl here??
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> spasmodo,  just useing ln like that.. is not a great idea.. however from source it may want the developer files as well..
[08:47] <Computer__Guru> wow
[08:47] <Computer__Guru> and it's always the same old us talking
[08:47] <Tiago> distro watch says it all... lol ubuntu is at the top
[08:47] <Tiago> but kbuntu is some wher elike 14th
[08:47] <spasmodo> Dr_Willis - 3.81 can install fine from source
[08:47] <nickrud> gnome rules ;P
[08:47] <Computer__Guru> well, thats only fair
[08:47] <spasmodo> Dr_Willis but then when I want to install other stuff
[08:47] <Tiago> how come people rather use gnome with ubuntu then kde?
[08:48] <Computer__Guru> as far as *I* am concerned, kubuntu isnt a distro, it's a part of ubuntu
[08:48] <reka> Tiago: er, you really shouldn't measure something simply by numbers
[08:48] <spasmodo> Dr_Willis it says that it needs the libc6 with 'ubuntu' in the name
[08:48] <Tiago> im not... just using it as an example
[08:48] <nickrud> Tiago, mainly, because canonical provides ubuntu (the gnome version) and a lot of quality volunteers provide kubuntu.
[08:48] <Tiago> it seems that gnome is more popular amungst ubuntu users
[08:48] <Computer__Guru> ./msg lilo stop spamming me
[08:49] <Tiago> what does gnome have over kde?
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> spasmodo,  Hmm.. not sure. Ive always had things install what they need. :P the joy of apt-get.
[08:49] <Computer__Guru> absolutely nothing
[08:49] <nickrud> Tiago, not much, just preference
[08:49] <spasmodo> Dr_Willis heh heh
[08:49] <coreyo> what is the correct way to have setserial automatically run a command on bootup?
[08:49] <spasmodo> Dr_Willis thanks
[08:49] <kjon> I can't burn cd's over 22x. I read something about cdrecord priority. How do I change it without being root?
[08:49] <Tiago> oh
[08:49] <Computer__Guru> kde is more feature rich - by far - than gnome at the expense of a few more megs of ram and a few more cpu cycles
[08:49] <Tiago> i have seen some very beautiful gnome desktops...
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> wife was able to understand kde with no help.. :P gnome is cleaner but just different enough in some ways that has her mad. :P
[08:49] <The_Vox> kjon: first do this and tell me what it answers: sudo hdparm /dev/cdrom
[08:50] <nickrud> Except, maybe for hp, tigert, and a few others whose nicks I don't know
[08:50] <The_Vox> kjon: I had that problem...until I turned on DMA
[08:50] <Tiago> i just like eyecandy
[08:50] <reka> Dr_Willis: understandable if she's used to windows
[08:50] <kjon> The_Vox: I've managed myself to get udma 66 and multisect working on my optical drives.
[08:51] <kjon> /dev/cdrom:
[08:51] <kjon>  IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
[08:51] <kjon>  unmaskirq    =  0 (off)
[08:51] <kjon>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[08:51] <kjon>  keepsettings =  0 (off)
[08:51] <kjon>  readonly     =  0 (off)
[08:51] <kjon>  readahead    = 256 (on)
[08:51] <reka> now that i've used gnome for so long, i keep looking at the upper right for the clock whenever i have to use windows :)
[08:51] <Nsaneice> I am used to Windows, been using Ubuntu for four days or so...
[08:51] <reka> kjon: pastebin please
[08:51] <Nsaneice> I like Gnome better and KDE, the package manager in KDE is odd
[08:51] <kjon> sorry reka T-T I won't do it again T-T
[08:52] <hondje> Nsaneice: aren't you on dslr?
[08:52] <Computer__Guru> Nsaneice: synaptic runs just fine in kde
[08:52] <Nsaneice> Yes I am on DSLr
[08:52] <Computer__Guru> Nsaneice: K->Run Command->kdesu synaptic
[08:52] <reka> kjon: no probs, just in future... more than 3 lines: pastebin
[08:52] <Nsaneice> Ahh haa!
[08:53] <The_Vox> kjon: ok, then just use sudo -s -H to become root to do whatever it is you want to do with cdrecord
[08:53] <Nsaneice> I knew someone on DSLr was working on Backports
[08:53] <hondje> :) No, that's jdong
[08:53] <Nsaneice> or something to that effect
[08:53] <hondje> Feel free to join #atu sometime
[08:53] <Nsaneice> IC
[08:53] <kjon> but, Is there another way without being root? - I mean, by creating some sort of special group... I don't know.
[08:54] <Nsaneice> Can you split the windows in X-chat?
[08:54] <hondje> I don't think you can do anything but tabs, but I'm not sure on that
[08:54] <Nsaneice> Bleh..
[08:54] <Burgundavia> Nsaneice, new channel window
[08:54] <r2d4> My gnome is not starting. How can I see the error messages? Now it just tries to start and then dumps me back at the login screen.
[08:54] <Computer__Guru> kjon: yes. there is.. setup k3b as root, and tell it to use the group cdrom
[08:54] <Burgundavia> you can also split a specific channel by hitting ctrl-i
[08:55] <greatzky> so yeah
[08:55] <greatzky> i have no idea how to mount my NTFS drives :(
[08:55] <hondje> Nsaneice: you won't miss much, everyones asleep at this time
[08:55] <Amorakhelp> Is Amorak safe to use?
[08:55] <greatzky> or even whre to make the directory
[08:55] <reka> r2d4: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:55] <Amorakhelp> it adds cookies to fetch lyrics
[08:55] <Nsaneice> hondje: Ok..
[08:55] <kjon> Computer__Guru: And afterward I have to add myself to that group and that might solve this problem... right?
[08:55] <r2d4> reka: thanks.
[08:55] <Computer__Guru> right
[08:55] <Nsaneice> hondje: I need to be sleeping, but someone woke me up at 10 CST..
[08:55] <reka> greatzky: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab (credit goes to Seveas)
[08:56] <hondje> hehe
[08:56] <Computer__Guru> hey there.. vmware is done :)
[08:56] <Computer__Guru> now to go get maya
[08:56] <Tiago> lol i dont have to worry about the problem of looking in the top right for my clock both my windows and kde have the taskbar/kicker at the top with the click on the right
[08:56] <hondje> I should be too, but I get two weeks vacation coming up, so I'm slacking :)
[08:56] <Nsaneice> Heh
[08:56] <thesamet> is there any Webshots user here?
[08:56] <greatzky> would anyone be able to help me with stupid basic linux questions?
[08:56] <thesamet> greatzky, yes
[08:57] <nickrud> greatzky, probably :)
[08:57] <Tiago> want to know the best reason for having the taskbar at the top? becouse at the bottem you wont see a drop shadow XD
[08:58] <kjon> It might sound stupid, but... how the hell do I configure k3b? I know that some utility exists, but what was it name?
[08:58] <Computer__Guru> the BEST reason for your taskbar at the top is my docker is at the bottom :D
[08:58] <Nsaneice> For me Taskbar and Docker are in the same bar..
[08:58] <Tiago> yes thats is also a great reason
[08:58] <Nsaneice> Frees up a tittle screen
[08:58] <Tiago> as i have a dock in both windows and kde at the bottem
[08:59] <Tiago> that makes sence
[08:59] <Tiago> but eyecandy my friend
[08:59] <Tiago> lol
[09:00] <Computer__Guru> Nsaneice: my desktop --> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=26283
[09:01] <holycow> Tiago, thats the stupidest reason i' ve everheard
[09:01] <holycow> :)
[09:01] <Tiago> lol
[09:01] <Computer__Guru> im an eyecandy enthusiast as well
[09:01] <Tiago> agreed
[09:02] <Computer__Guru> and i take vast pride in my desktop
[09:02] <geronimo> Hello French ??
[09:02] <holycow> i'm a designer, i've seen it all and know how to make it, as a result i think i'm jaded
[09:02] <hyphenated> geronimo: #ubuntu-fr
[09:02] <reka> the transparency is nice
[09:02] <Nsaneice> Looks nice. :)
[09:02] <kjon> I couldn't manage myself to configure k3b. Any hints? (please)
[09:03] <holycow> kjon, what do you mean 'configure'?
[09:03] <Tiago> Computer__Guru, im still waiting for the site to load
[09:03] <nickrud> I look at my bland desktop, and wonder why I ever had anything anything between me and my work
[09:03] <geronimo> speak french ??
[09:03] <Nsaneice> Need to find a place to put my screen shot and I can show you my desktop..
[09:03] <holycow> k3b actually will tell you what you need to install additionally ... so thats basically all you need to add?
[09:04] <Computer__Guru> kjon: the name of the app escapes me... just type k3 int he command line and hit tab twice for a list
[09:04] <Nsaneice> Non, parla vous Francais.
[09:04] <geronimo> je suis franais
[09:04] <kjon> holycow: Can't burn cds at 52x, dma stuff is fine. Seems an issue with priority. I need to be root to burn faster....
[09:04] <goldfish> #ubuntu-fr
[09:04] <holycow> oh, i've never heard of that
[09:04] <Computer__Guru> why do you need to burn at 52x anyways
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> 48x or even 32x isnt fast enough for you?
[09:05] <hondje> crank it to 11
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> i mean comeon
[09:05] <Dr_Willis> to save 30 sec!
[09:05] <kjon> Because I can't stand burning at 20~18x.
[09:05] <reka> 52x drives don't even get that high iirc
[09:05] <Tiago> Computer__Guru, your desktop is the s3x0r!111
[09:05] <Nsaneice> Oui, Francais est porcaw --->  #ubuntu-fr
[09:05] <reka> at least mine doesn't
[09:05] <geronimo> bonjour Goldfish
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> Tiago: I know, rate it :) thx
[09:05] <kjon> and my dvd burning sucks... I need more speed man.... T-T
[09:05] <Tiago> i dont like the icons though
[09:05] <goldfish> geronimo: bonjour
[09:05] <nickrud> over 30 disks, that's a few minutes ;)
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> i love em
[09:06] <reka> Computer__Guru: why not just buy a mac? ;)
[09:06] <geronimo> enfin un french
[09:06] <Tiago> wait till u see my desktop
[09:06] <Computer__Guru> reka: two words: closed source
[09:06] <kjon> Any hints? (before my head blows....)
[09:06] <Nsaneice> le franais que l'aide est ici, # ubuntu-franc, dsol je suis trs rouill  mes deux annes de Franais dans le lyce.
[09:06] <Computer__Guru> someone should tell artic fox how to spell arctic
[09:07] <Computer__Guru> Nsaneice: i think it's #ubuntu-fr
[09:07] <geronimo> je voi que tu parle bien quand meme
[09:07] <Nsaneice> woops
[09:07] <Tiago> this is my windows desktop http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/686/windowsdesktop1mj.jpg
[09:07] <Computer__Guru> kjon: i suppose you could setuid cdrecord, but i dont think thats gonna solve your problem
[09:07] <Computer__Guru> being root shouldnt have anything to do with how fast cdrecord works
[09:07] <hondje> Why isn't this #ubuntu-en?
[09:07] <reka> kjon: isn't there a speed setting in the preferences? (haven't used it myself)
[09:08] <Computer__Guru> because english is the main language for ubuntu
[09:08] <Tiago> i think my windows desktop is the s3x0r!11111
[09:08] <Nsaneice> Dsol il n'est pas, # ubuntu-franc, il est #ubuntu-fr
[09:08] <Tiago> but my ubuntu wll be bettewr
[09:08] <Nsaneice> Soo soo rusty at French
[09:08] <Computer__Guru> Tiago: that's windows? rock on
[09:09] <hyphenated> hondje: because the world is full of bias toward english-speakers, I guess
[09:09] <Tiago> lol yeah who would have know xp could look that good?
[09:09] <reka> Tiago: hello fellow aussie :)
[09:09] <Tiago> but im bored of windows so im giving linux a try
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> I'm FAMOUS
[09:09] <Tiago> ^^
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> I've been immortalized in a screenshot
[09:09] <geronimo> desole suis oblige de partir je comprend rien a l'englais
[09:10] <rok47> what did u use to make your desktop like that tiago?
[09:10] <Tiago> are u in melb bro?
[09:10] <Computer__Guru> Tiago: that object desktop?
[09:10] <reka> Tiago: heh, i must say....that's pretty good for xp
[09:10] <hondje> Is this the guy that got banned for refusing to listen about going to #ubuntu-fr?
[09:10] <reka> Tiago: yep...bit cold, ey?
[09:10] <Tiago> tell me about it
[09:10] <tiglionabbit> Tiago: wow dude, I am impressed.  How'd you get the gkrellm style calendar, mac OS dock, and the clock widget?
[09:10] <Tiago> im going clubbing tonight too
[09:10] <kjon> reka: Yep. And I chose "full throttle"... (52x). Cdrecord kicks back automatically if the cd can't handle higher speeds; however, even if I chose 24x (or whatever higher) I can't burn over 18x...
[09:10] <Nsaneice> hondje: You got me..
[09:10] <Computer__Guru> i think it's object desktop
[09:11] <hondje> Nsaneice: Not you :)
[09:11] <Nsaneice> hondje: But his broken french hurts my head
[09:11] <kjon> why??? T-T
[09:11] <Computer__Guru> Tiago: answer me q, fewl :D
[09:11] <Tiago> i use KONFABULATOR for the widgets, RKlauncher for the dock, Yz Shadow for the shadows
[09:11] <Computer__Guru> oh wow
[09:11] <Computer__Guru> how does it affect performance?
[09:12] <tiglionabbit> Tiago: where'd you learn about these thingies?
[09:12] <reka> Tiago: as if windwos wasn't bloated already. ;)
[09:12] <Tiago> runs very well
[09:12] <Computer__Guru> on what hardware?
[09:12] <Tiago> im a windows freak
[09:12] <Computer__Guru> i gotta say
[09:12] <Tiago> i have allways loved windows and customizing windows lol
[09:12] <hondje> That's not something you see on freenode everyday
[09:12] <Tiago> but im over it now
[09:12] <Computer__Guru> thats a nice fuckin desktop, regardless of the os
[09:13] <tiglionabbit> Tiago: well you'll probably like linux once you get into it.  You can change...  Everything
[09:13] <Nsaneice> Here is my desktop. :/   http://img330.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot0df.png
[09:13] <Tiago> im running a 2500+ @ 3410+ 512 ddr3200 cl2 dual chan, 5600 ultra 256mb... the comps about a year old
[09:13] <Nsaneice> Its just kinda there. :|
[09:14] <hondje> Nsaneice: nice alien dude
[09:14] <Tiago> yeah love linux
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> how do you think allt hat would run on my p4-1.7 w/384 and a crappy 16mb ati rage pro 128 ultra video card?
[09:14] <Nsaneice> hondje: Its Spawn
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> hondje: that's spawn
[09:14] <hondje> oh
[09:14] <hondje> http://www.hondje.net/~hondje/Screenshot.png
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> Nsaneice: very minimalistic.. i like it
[09:14] <Tiago> i have longhorn build 5048 on here as well
[09:15] <kjon> well, seems I'm gonna to give up....
[09:15] <Computer__Guru> hondje's desktop is very clean
[09:15] <kjon> seems to much for me... '
[09:15] <Tiago> Computer__Guru, should run fine on ur system
[09:15] <Nsaneice> I need a trash can on the desktop..
[09:15] <Computer__Guru> wooohooo
[09:16] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/desktop.png
[09:16] <Amaranth> I win. :D
[09:16] <Computer__Guru> sin city is over halfway done transcoding
[09:16] <Computer__Guru> but ill tell ya
[09:16] <Tiago> Amaranth, dont make me rip out my longhorn desktop screenshot lol
[09:16] <Amaranth> *shudder*
[09:16] <Computer__Guru> kmediafactory SUCKS BALLS for creating DVD's
[09:16] <Amaranth> Mine isn't vaporware, just breezy.
[09:16] <Nsaneice> I have a longhorn build some where in this mess..
[09:16] <Tiago> the next installment of windows will be an eyecandy feast
[09:17] <Amaranth> well, the icon theme will be in breezy eventually
[09:17] <Amaranth> Tiago: Doesn't mean it will look nice.
[09:17] <Computer__Guru> Amaranth: my desktop is sexier than that :D and alexis bledel is sexier than that broad :D
[09:17] <Nsaneice> Heck ya, longhorn is all round now
[09:17] <Tiago> you will need to take ur eyes to the dentist after using longhorn
[09:17] <Amaranth> Computer__Guru: Show me.
[09:17] <Tiago> i think m$ has the resources to hire some one t make a realy nice theme this time
[09:17] <Computer__Guru> Amaranth: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=26283
[09:17] <hondje> I doubt one can top Amaranth
[09:18] <hondje> Amaranth wins
[09:18] <Amaranth> Computer__Guru: Ugly as sin.
[09:18] <Amaranth> Computer__Guru: No offense. :)
[09:18] <Amaranth> That theme is just so...forced.
[09:19] <nickrud> I never seem to get work done with backgrounds like that :)
[09:19] <Computer__Guru> Tiago: longhorn depends far too heavily on xml, and slower pc's are gonna take a year to load it.. xp runs fine on a 266 w/256+ ram.. longhorn will need at LEAST a 1.3GHz regardless of ram to make you not want to kill yourself waiting for it to load
[09:19] <Tiago> i cant wait to be running longhorn final, linux and os x tiger all on my pc :D
[09:19] <Computer__Guru> Amaranth: there's nothing at all forced about it :) it flows perfectly
[09:19] <Tiago> not to far away ether
[09:19] <Amaranth> Computer__Guru: Then you're screenshot is very grainy.
[09:19] <Computer__Guru> the MS xml parser is a very slow and bulky beast
[09:19] <Tiago> well its 2005 people shouldent be using slow pc's any more...
[09:20] <Amaranth> and, like, not at all what your desktop looks like
[09:20] <hondje> why not?
[09:20] <Computer__Guru> Amaranth: it shouldn't be...
[09:20] <Amaranth> Computer__Guru: Things don't flow at all, it's all cramped in.
[09:20] <Tiago> if people stop buying new pc's the economy will go broke
[09:20] <hondje> So?
[09:20] <tiglionabbit> woo cool, apache works.  K here's my desktop then http://nickr.kicks-ass.net/~nick/desktop.png
[09:20] <hondje> If it runs, why buy a new one
[09:20] <Computer__Guru> not to me its not
[09:20] <tiglionabbit> not too much class, but I had fun with the launchers
[09:20] <Nsaneice> I have a 233mhz 128Sdram Dell laptop with 4gb HDD it runs XP nicely
[09:20] <Amaranth> Computer__Guru: And leaning on transparency to try to get an 'awe' factor.
[09:20] <Nsaneice> perfect for my brother and Gaim
[09:21] <Tiago> i found the s3xyest gnome desktop online... ill upload it for you all to look at
[09:21] <Tiago> it almost made me wana install gnome
[09:21] <Computer__Guru> Amaranth: :D I only turned it on for the screenshot.. this vid card cant handle it.. btw ive dumped the glossy osx for the brushed one and i think it looks a lot betetr
[09:21] <Computer__Guru> btw, all, tiglionabbit wins. his desktop is really suave
[09:22] <rob^> !factoid
[09:22] <ubotu> rob^: I give up, what is it?
[09:22] <Computer__Guru> i like it a lot
[09:22] <Amaranth> The important parts are the little things
[09:22] <Computer__Guru> i need to convince dave to enable port 80 passthrough for me
[09:22] <hondje> hehe
[09:22] <hondje> I like the Amaranth theme
[09:22] <Amaranth> *shudder*
[09:22] <hondje> with gartoon icons
[09:22] <hondje> it doesn't glare out at my eyes
[09:23] <Tiago> i dont like the theme of osx... looks like a gay man cummed all over it... but i like the ideas they come up with... such as docks and widgets
[09:23] <Computer__Guru> my theme does look nice :) almost everyone i show it to loves it.. and it stops people who come over dead in their tracks
[09:23] <rob^> ubotu factoid is a list of commonly used factoids, found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuFactoids
[09:23] <ubotu> rob^: okay
[09:23] <tiglionabbit> Computer__Guru: hey thanks man
[09:23] <hondje> the human theme is too brown
[09:23] <tiglionabbit> I found the background image on 4chan
[09:23] <hondje> clearlooks is nice though
[09:23] <pax> any snoopy guru around, I purged and removed snoopy, but the sucker is still showing on my logs, just wont go away?
[09:23] <Computer__Guru> at some point i'll get bored enough to design a theme fromt he ground up
[09:23] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/shiny.png and http://www.realistanew.com/shiny3.png
[09:24] <Howitzer> gX aaaall the way
[09:24] <Howitzer> a niiiiiice dark theme
[09:25] <Computer__Guru> i gotta say i like your icon set, Amaranth
[09:25] <Computer__Guru> a lot
[09:25] <Amaranth> Computer__Guru: It'll be in breezy. :)
[09:25] <holycow> the other thing about themes, is that they are essentially pointless
[09:25] <Amaranth> It's from AndyFitz
[09:25] <holycow> a: i never ever see my desktop
[09:25] <Tiago> what happened to the aussie guy?
[09:25] <Computer__Guru> Amaranth: port it over to kde :D
[09:25] <holycow> and i have a dual monitor at 1600x1200 each
[09:25] <Amaranth> (the guy who did the Human icons)
[09:25] <Madpilot> Gnome makes it pretty easy to mix'n'match your own themes. I like that
[09:25] <holycow> second i don't care what the window border looks like because frankly its just 3 icons in the top right
[09:25] <Amaranth> It's not in breezy right now.
[09:25] <Howitzer> how do you theme you're mouse-pointer.??
[09:25] <Tiago> every one bow down http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/4859/screenshot16qw0rs.png
[09:26] <Tiago> tell me this isent sexy
[09:26] <AndyFitz> Tiago,  I'm the aussie guy
[09:26] <Tiago> makes me want to use gnome
[09:26] <tiglionabbit> isn't Amaranth's the default XFCE icon set?
[09:26] <Madpilot> what's that purple thing, taigo?
[09:26] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: no
[09:26] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: It's humility
[09:26] <Tiago> i duno its not my desktop
[09:26] <Howitzer> omfg
[09:26] <Howitzer> Tiago, is tht yours?
[09:26] <Computer__Guru> Tiago: my daughter would love it... wife probably would too... there something you need to tell us? :D
[09:26] <Amaranth> Tiago: Nice try.
[09:26] <Tiago> any way i gota run
[09:26] <hondje> That's not very sexy, I don't like milk
[09:27] <Amaranth> I like Milk more than brushed metal
[09:27] <hondje> milk gives me a headache, too much brightness
[09:27] <Howitzer> daaamn
[09:27] <Computer__Guru> i like brushed metal as long as everything gets brushed the same
[09:27] <hondje> clearlooks and amaranth are the only ones I like
[09:27] <txsky> help me
[09:27] <Howitzer> i want that theme
[09:27] <Tiago>   lol
[09:27] <tiglionabbit> I love that.  What is the thing on the left, gaim buddy list?  I want mine to look like that
[09:27] <hondje> I like those icons though
[09:27] <Tiago> i like longhorns aero
[09:27] <Amaranth> I like the panel there, kinda.
[09:27] <Computer__Guru> which between panther-gtk2-brushed and baghira 0.6a, they actually match
[09:27] <anacron_> what where now?
[09:27] <Amaranth> It's a bit overloaded.
[09:28] <tiglionabbit> heh, you can define any icons, I love that.  On my desktop, I didn't use any default icons.  I just searched the net for a suitible image to stick there
[09:28] <Amaranth> Tiago: Why?
[09:28] <tiglionabbit> shoved in some gifs and pngs and such
[09:28] <Amaranth> Tiago: Do you have a screenshot of something I haven't seen? (something that doesn't look like ass)
[09:28] <Computer__Guru> icons look a lot better as a set
[09:28] <AndyFitz> Amaranth,  the icons have changed  ( well the arrows and a few little things )
[09:28] <AndyFitz> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/humility-icons.tar.bz2
[09:28] <anacron_> Tiago: oh my god thats cool :D
[09:28] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: Damn you, I felt special. :P
[09:28] <Madpilot> <evil grin> my desktop currently has pussy showing. it beats Amaranth's lady. here ya go: http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1319/warbard4ul.png :)
[09:29] <hondje> muwahah, now we have his power
[09:29] <Computer__Guru> hey andy, those gnome icons, kde icons, or just a bunch of png's?
[09:29] <Amaranth> Madpilot: Please don't post adult content.
[09:29] <Amaranth> Computer__Guru: GNOME
[09:29] <hondje> Madpilot: very nice sir
[09:29] <hondje> that's a whole lot of weather
[09:29] <Madpilot> Amaranth: it's not. honest. check the url
[09:29] <Computer__Guru> Madpilot: that's the prettiest pussy ive seen in ages
[09:29] <Amaranth> Computer__Guru: Those are the icons I'm using in my screenshots.
[09:29] <Computer__Guru> ah
[09:29] <Madpilot> !joke
[09:29] <ubotu> it has been said that joke is Joke, v. i. L. jocari.   To do something for sport, or as a joke; to be merry in words   or actions; to jest. (1913 Webster)
[09:29] <Amaranth> haha
[09:29] <Computer__Guru> AndyFitz: port that icon theme to kde :D
[09:29] <AndyFitz> computer__guru, they are svg
[09:30] <Amaranth> it's beatrix
[09:30] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: wow, do you think you have enough launchers and temperature monitors?  I bet you're so busy, you can't click twice to open an application
[09:30] <holycow> Madpilot, you need one of the jumping cats pics instead i think
[09:30] <AndyFitz> computer__guru,  join the ubuntu-art mailing list
[09:30] <Amaranth> Madpilot: Looks like GTK 1.x with Human icons.
[09:30] <Computer__Guru> that's a really nice desktop, Madpilot
[09:30] <Madpilot> lots of weather, yup. I'm a pilot, we're all weather-addicts
[09:30] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: personally, I just stuck a mini-launcher on mine, so if it's not on my quick buttons I type it
[09:30] <AndyFitz> that may be done once the set is at a reasonable density.
[09:30] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: Would ubuntu-art be a good place to request an icon for Smeg?
[09:30] <Computer__Guru> the background does it all
[09:30] <Madpilot> Amaranth: let me check, it's a hand-rolled theme
[09:31] <AndyFitz> Amaranth,  yeah  or just PM me .  what did you have in mind ?
[09:31] <anacron_> Tiago: what theme is that?
[09:31] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: Something that makes it obvious it's a menu editor, I guess.
[09:31] <Computer__Guru> I'd like a kubuntu icon to use for my k-menu :D
[09:31] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: And fits in with your kickass new theme.
[09:31] <hondje> AndyFitz: I like these icons
[09:31] <Computer__Guru> in assorted colors
[09:31] <Madpilot> Human icons, ThinIce controls, Clearlooks borders
[09:32] <tiglionabbit> will breezy have an in-depth theme editor?
[09:32] <tiglionabbit> like one that allows you to assign and swap out individual icons, and parts of themes?
[09:32] <tiglionabbit> that would be funner than editing a tar.gz and throwing it in
[09:33] <Amaranth> Only one bad thing about my background image. She's so distracting I lose things on my desktop. ;)
[09:33] <hondje> put the icons in the center right
[09:33] <Nsaneice> This is going to sound stupid; but is Breezy going to be a new rls of Ubuntu?
[09:33] <hondje> then you'll naturally look for them there
[09:33] <hondje> Nsaneice: yep, the next one
[09:33] <holycow> oddly i find the ubuntu brown desktop easy on the eyes
[09:34] <Nsaneice> Cool
[09:34] <Computer__Guru> i rotate between 6 images of alexis bledel, 6 images of jessica alba, 6 images of denise richards, and six images of sarah michelle gellar
[09:34] <hondje> it's easy on the eyes, I agree
[09:34] <holycow> its perfectly unobtrusive without being completely boring single colour
[09:34] <hondje> it's just hard to find a background that works with ti
[09:34] <Amaranth> hondje: haha, that might work
[09:34] <Amaranth> holycow: me too
[09:35] <Amaranth> holycow: i just like the clearlooks brown a little better
[09:35] <holycow> hondje, i mean wallpaper too
[09:35] <holycow> Amaranth, *nod*
[09:35] <hondje> I think its too dark
[09:35] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: Which icon gets used for the show desktop button on the panel?
[09:35] <holycow> adjust your gamma -_-
[09:35] <holycow> hehe
[09:36] <rob^> can anyone offer me some feedback on this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuFactoids
[09:36] <AndyFitz> gnome-fs-desktop
[09:36] <Amaranth> can't be
[09:36] <rob^> what you would like to see etc
[09:36] <AndyFitz> but the applet seems to screw it up
[09:36] <Amaranth> looks nothing like it
[09:36] <Forty|> for debian, setting a static IP address, i can do this in /etc/network/interfaces?
[09:36] <tiglionabbit> what is smeg?
[09:36] <Amaranth> oh, i see
[09:36] <hondje> holycow: I like my gamma :-(
[09:36] <holycow> Forty|, yes
[09:36] <Amaranth> it's using 24x24?
[09:36] <AndyFitz> gnome-fs-desktop  .  but I'm not sure what size its using
[09:36] <holycow> Forty|, but why, you have a gui for that
[09:36] <Amaranth> no, but it should be...
[09:36] <AndyFitz> whatever size its using its not using the one I made for it
[09:36] <holycow> system/admin/networking
[09:36] <Forty|> holycow, bah to gui, i like nano :-)
[09:37] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: menu editor
[09:37] <holycow> hondje, i kid! :)
[09:37] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: I think it's zooming either the 22 or 24 one.
[09:37] <hondje> ;)
[09:37] <tiglionabbit> Amaranth: how'd you get it?
[09:37] <tiglionabbit> !smeg
[09:37] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: I wrote it.
[09:37] <ubotu> well, smeg is a Gnome menu editor. Get it at at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[09:37] <Nsaneice> I like nano too, I think it is from installing Gentoo
[09:37] <tiglionabbit> really?
[09:37] <AndyFitz> Amaranth, if you figure out a fix please post it to the list
[09:37] <Amaranth> Yes. :)
[09:38] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: Ok.
[09:38] <rob^> I'll take that as a no
[09:38] <Forty|> Nsaneice, same here, i got use to it from Gentoo
[09:38] <Nsaneice> I think I might remove gedit, and only use nano
[09:39] <jsgotangco> its a very small app to remove
[09:39] <Amaranth> note to self: don't delete the icon theme that's in use
[09:39] <Nsaneice> Every bit helps..
[09:39] <hondje> lol
[09:39] <holycow> Amaranth, hahah!
[09:40] <tiglionabbit> sheesh, if i were using gentoo, I'd use vim
[09:40] <holycow> i dub that theme 'borked'
[09:40] <Nsaneice> 1624kB
[09:40] <AndyFitz> amaranth, smeg isnt using the proper icon sizes
[09:40] <concept10> Problem: My server box says "CMOS Error" after the initial boot test and it always crashes, anyone have a clue on what this means?  Does this mean the BIOS battery is dead?  (it doesnt remember settings)
[09:40] <tiglionabbit> I got used to nano and emacs long ago, switching to vim recently after becoming obsessed with nethack which uses similar keys
[09:40] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: lmao, if you remove the 22x22 and 24x24 gnome-fs-desktop icons it seems to work perfectly
[09:40] <AndyFitz> http://www.realistanew.com/shiny.png  looks like a resized icon
[09:40] <Amaranth> oh, it's probably using the gnome theme one
[09:40] <hondje> oh no, tiglionabbit is hooked
[09:41] <hondje> nethack should be illegal
[09:41] <tiglionabbit> lol
[09:41] <r2d4> how can I search available deb packages in repositories without using synaptic and from the command line?
[09:41] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: You mean the foot on the window border?
[09:41] <r2d4> like rpm -q xyz
[09:41] <holycow> hondje, speaking of games, i gotta get someone to write a networking component to gltron
[09:42] <holycow> the game is decent with a good theme actually
[09:42] <hondje> gltron is fun
[09:42] <tiglionabbit> I haven't played it in a few days though, I think I've had enough of it.  My high score was in the 5 digit numbers, got to level 9 and died by accidentally punching a cockatrice in the face
[09:42] <hondje> I always go back to bzflag though
[09:42] <Madpilot> in breezy is the gnome foot in the top left corner replaced with a Ubuntu circle?
[09:42] <holycow> oh i had to permanently remove bzflag
[09:42] <holycow> i got addicted to that for about a week
[09:42] <holycow> i couldn't stop playing that for some reason
[09:42] <Burgundavia> Madeye, no
[09:42] <Madpilot> scorched3d is my nemesis.
[09:43] <AndyFitz> amaranth,  no the icons in the tree
[09:43] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, no
[09:43] <Madpilot> or gnome-mine...
[09:43] <holycow> it's not like its an incredible game, something about the fast pace of it tho and the competitiveness
[09:43] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: Getting rid of the 22x22 and 24x24 icons seems to have fixed the show desktop button.
[09:43] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: it's using the scalable one, i guess
[09:43] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: those are whatever the default cellrenderer height is
[09:43] <AndyFitz> yeah thats kinda dodgy  ,  it should use the 22x22 one
[09:43] <hondje> holycow: ah HAH, that's where I recognize your nick, from hepcat
[09:43] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: I mean it's using the scalable one now, it's it sizing it right. It looks perfect.
[09:43] <holycow> eh >_>
[09:44] <AndyFitz> wish it was the sharper
[09:45] <hondje> why does everyone hate the gnome foot next to applications?
[09:45] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: hmm, putting in the 22x22 one again seems to either use that one correctly or do nothing
[09:45] <cat> hey if i have debian and i want to update debian sarge to ubuntu can i do it with the source list? of ubuntu?
[09:46] <niran> AndyFitz, src/AppInstall.py:132: GtkWarning: Theme directory mimetypes48x48/apps of theme humility-icons has no size field
[09:46] <niran> AndyFitz, that's weird.
[09:46] <hondje> cat: yeah, if you use pinning, but it can get ugly] 
[09:46] <cat> it can? how?
[09:46] <Burgundavia> cat, yes
[09:46] <hondje> using /etc/apt/preferences
[09:46] <Burgundavia> cat, what are you running
[09:46] <cat> debian sarge
[09:47] <Burgundavia> cat, ouch
[09:47] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: I can't make it break anymore. I put the 22x22 and 24x24 ones back in.
[09:47] <Burgundavia> cat, sarge is newer than our stable
[09:47] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: Try removing the applet and adding it back in.
[09:47] <cat> but i want to try out ubuntu i already sign up for the cds, but i've waited it for 2 months and still nothing
[09:48] <Burgundavia> cat, sarge --> hoary is not easy and breezy is not very stable right now
[09:48] <Nsaneice> It took a while to get mine, prolly 4 months..
[09:48] <Nsaneice> I asked for 5 x86 and they sent 20
[09:48] <Nsaneice> big goofs
[09:48] <reka> cat: took ~10 weeks for me here in aus
[09:48] <reka> cat: depends where you are i guess
[09:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> did ya pay for them?
[09:48] <hondje> cat: http://www.argon.org/~roderick/apt-pinning.html  <--- you can use that, and be careful
[09:48] <cat> oh
[09:48] <hondje> doing it that way assumes you're not a newbie
[09:49] <cat> so what should i do then?
[09:49] <cat> just keep on waiting?
[09:49] <Burgundavia> cat, wait for a while
[09:49] <cat> well my question is what's the differents between debian and ubuntu?
[09:49] <Madpilot> there are Hoary CDs for *sale* on EBay. that's just wrong...
[09:50] <reka> cat: i got sick of it and burned the ISO....cd arrived the next week. :)
[09:50] <hondje> Madpilot: that's gross :(
[09:50] <tiglionabbit> cat: uh...  ubuntu people are nicer?
[09:50] <cat> well can someone answer my question
[09:50] <cat> oh they are?
[09:50] <tiglionabbit> yes, we are
[09:50] <cat> oh nice
[09:51] <Nsaneice> I think they are. :)
[09:51] <Madeye> Burgundavia,  yes?
[09:51] <Madpilot> hondje: I was surprised, but I guess it's not illegal. it just stinks, and it's abuse of the free mailout system...
[09:51] <reka> cat: well, there's the more frequent releases
[09:51] <tiglionabbit> ubuntu is a very friendly community.  We try to make things simple and nice.
[09:51] <cat> cool,
[09:51] <hondje> yeah, that's sad...I can see charging for shipping, but making a profit is gross
[09:51] <cat> i wish i can code for you people,
[09:51] <hondje> kinda like how linspire wants you to PAY for gcc
[09:52] <holycow> i like how they sell antivirus software
[09:52] <holycow> -_
[09:52] <holycow> -_-
[09:52] <Nsaneice> Lindows && Linspire are dirty
[09:52] <Burgundavia> lets not hack down linspire
[09:52] <Burgundavia> this is #ubuntu
[09:52] <ztonzy> hmm, I need PDF viewer in Firefox, any tip ?
[09:52] <Burgundavia> and every desktop linspire takes away from windows is still a good thing
[09:53] <hondje> Why?
[09:53] <VIPER^|^> is there a way to install 2.4 now
[09:53] <holycow> ztonzy, you DON'T want a pdf viewere in fox
[09:53] <VIPER^|^> on ubuntu
[09:53] <tiglionabbit> lol
[09:53] <Madpilot> $40 (Cdn) OEM for Linspire. huh...
[09:53] <holycow> you want A SEPARATE viewere for pdf
[09:53] <Burgundavia> ztonzy, install evince
[09:53] <tiglionabbit> holycow: I'm sure there is one though..
[09:53] <ztonzy> holycow, hehe :) okej...
[09:53] <ztonzy> Burgundavia, what's that ?
[09:53] <holycow> ztonzy, try evince
[09:53] <Burgundavia> ztonzy, pdf/document viewer
[09:54] <tiglionabbit> hm, I like evince's webpage.  So many screenshots
[09:54] <tiglionabbit> it's like, you can talk about it, but can you PROVE it?
[09:54] <Computer__Guru> *** YOU'RE USING automake (GNU automake) 1.9.4.
[09:54] <Computer__Guru> *** KDE requires automake 1.6.1 or newer
[09:54] <Computer__Guru> make[1] : *** [cvs]  Error 1
[09:54] <Computer__Guru> make: *** [all]  Error 2
[09:54] <ztonzy> holycow & Burgundavia , thanks
[09:54] <Computer__Guru> that's RETARDED
[09:54] <Burgundavia> Computer__Guru, automake is fun
[09:55] <tiglionabbit> Computer__Guru: rofl
[09:55] <Nsaneice> hehe
[09:55] <eliUbuntu> anyone tried out breezy yet?
[09:55] <Burgundavia> eliUbuntu, yes, broken
[09:55] <Madpilot> automake can't count...
[09:55] <Computer__Guru> im using newer than 1.6.1
[09:55] <Computer__Guru> how do i fix this?
[09:55] <Burgundavia> Computer__Guru, install another automake
[09:55] <Burgundavia> they are parallel installable
[09:55] <Computer__Guru> isnt it bad to install two versions of a package?
[09:55] <ztonzy> Burgundavia, how do I setup it for FF ?
[09:56] <Computer__Guru> ok
[09:56] <Nsaneice> That is like when I was working on XFCE4 and it said I needed GLib 2.3.4 or >= but it found 2.6.8
[09:56] <tiglionabbit> say guys, exactly how safe is gparted?  I'm about to resize a fat32 partition.  I haven't defragmented it lately....
[09:56] <eliUbuntu> Burgundavia: broken as in... lot of bugs?
[09:56] <hondje> Computer__Guru: apt-get install automaken, it'll show you what versions they have...automake1.6 probably would work
[09:56] <Burgundavia> eliUbuntu, somewhat
[09:56] <hondje> not that it isn't retarded
[09:56] <tiglionabbit> I'm nearly cutting it in half, but coming 2 gigs away from the data that's already on it..
[09:56] <Computer__Guru> got it
[09:57] <Computer__Guru> 1.6.3 hopefully this stupid cvs script will work now
[09:57] <Computer__Guru> absolutely retarded
[09:57] <Computer__Guru> yaknow gyach-e does the same thing
[09:57] <eliUbuntu> Burgundavia, so you would not recommend trying it out at the moment, correct?
[09:57] <Computer__Guru> you have to make symlinks for VERY old library files
[09:57] <Burgundavia> eliUbuntu, yes, wait a few weeks
[09:58] <hondje> Computer__Guru: it'd probably be easier to futz with configure.in
[09:58] <eliUbuntu> ok... Burgundavia, do you by any chance use AMD64 option for ubuntu?
[09:58] <Computer__Guru> i fixed it, Burgundavia's idea worked. i installed automake 1.6.3 and its fine
[09:58] <reka> tiglionabbit: there's always a risk involved when you mess around with partitions.   IMO, you should defrag first.
[09:58] <reka> tiglionabbit: and backup...
[09:58] <tiglionabbit> =[ but that would involve booting into windows
[09:58] <Computer__Guru> kwin-styles should come in some sort of package format
[09:59] <Burgundavia> eliUbuntu, no
[09:59] <eliUbuntu> tiglionabbit, reka says wise words when stating backup
[09:59] <gyaresu> anyone had any luck with a CD cataloguing programme like 'whereisit' in windows?
[10:00] <reka> eliUbuntu: though i'm sure tiglionabbit knows that...he's helped a lot of people in here.  just wanted to say it anyway :)
[10:00] <mgcross> hello all
[10:01] <Nsaneice> Hiya
[10:01] <hondje> what's cd cataloguing?
[10:01] <mgcross> can you tell me if I can burn an .mds/.mdf file in linux?
[10:01] <hondje> to keep track of what's on which disk?
[10:01] <eliUbuntu> reka, thanks for the message :) tiglionabbit i didnt mean to be annoying on my part. i just have seen too many people crumple over losing their partitions on resizing
[10:01] <holycow> its keeping track of your warez collection hondje
[10:01] <holycow> you remember those, dontcha?
[10:01] <holycow> >_>
[10:01] <hondje> No, I don't :-(
[10:01] <holycow> ] 
[10:01] <hondje> Too many years gettin' my linux on
[10:02] <gyaresu> hondje, sorry, i need my name for the beep :)
[10:02] <mgcross> anyone?
[10:02] <hondje> At work we use mysql to keep track of what's on which disk
[10:02] <gyaresu> hondje, yeah to know what's on the 1000 or so CD's i've got...
[10:03] <niran> mgcross, never heard of those. what are they?
[10:03] <hondje> I _think_ OpenOffice2 has some MS Access like thing
[10:03] <holycow> hondje, heh i think open source is the solution to the warez problem really, i haven't donwloaded a single thing since moving to linux
[10:03] <hondje> I don't think I've warezed anything since 94 or 95
[10:03] <Nsaneice> Nor have I holycow, other than Crossover Office Pro, which was a waste so it got the rm -f
[10:03] <Computer__Guru> hey how do you build a binary .deb from a plain old source tarball?
[10:04] <holycow> Nsaneice, i boughht crossover infact and vmware, but i needed it for work
[10:04] <hondje> the only commercial software I have is matlab and cedega, and I paid for both
[10:05] <mgcross> niran: I *think it the alcohol version of an iso or a bin/cue...
[10:05] <Nsaneice> Like an .iso
[10:05] <gyaresu> Computer__Guru, debian-builder
[10:06] <Nsaneice> Kinda like nero's .nrg
[10:06] <Computer__Guru> hrmmm
[10:06] <gyaresu> mgcross, there is a prog mdf2iso
[10:06] <mgcross> anyone know if k3b (or its underlying bits) will handle it...don't wanna download if not...
[10:07] <holycow> Nsaneice, you reminded me of something ...
[10:07] <holycow> http://www.nrg.be/ <-- i can't believe this stupid site is still up
[10:07] <Nsaneice> Yes?
[10:07] <sinferno> does anyone have ultima online running with cedega?
[10:07] <mgcross> gyaresu: thanks...is it in the Ubuntu repos?
[10:07] <gyaresu> mgcross, no. it's here >>> http://mdf2iso.berlios.de/
[10:07] <gyaresu> mgcross, dunno why.
[10:08] <mgcross> gyaresu: thanks...cool, thanks!
[10:08] <gyaresu> mgcross, direct link is >>> http://download.berlios.de/mdf2iso/mdf2iso-0.3.0-src.tar.bz2
[10:08] <Madpilot> holycow: wow, that's a lot of flash. is there a point to it?
[10:09] <hondje> Computer__Guru: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch
[10:09] <eliUbuntu> matlab is a program like mathematica correct?
[10:09] <Computer__Guru> ty
[10:09] <Flying-Penguin> hey guys!
[10:09] <holycow> Madeye, it's the ultimate example of the kind of crap all of us designed in the mid 90's
[10:09] <holycow> jesus f christ
[10:09] <Flying-Penguin> ?
[10:09] <Madpilot> holycow: you do/did web design?
[10:09] <mgcross> gyaresu: bows deeply
[10:10] <holycow> ex graphic designer, yep
[10:10] <gyaresu> mgcross, is welcome.
[10:10] <Nsaneice> And Mozilla crashes at that site..
[10:10] <Computer__Guru> yeah, i just installed a badass window deco
[10:10] <Computer__Guru> :D
[10:10] <Nsaneice> Lets try FF
[10:11] <Madeye> holycow, ?
[10:11] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: try Opera. it handles it just fine. there's nothing to see, but it works...
[10:11] <rem> .
[10:11] <Nsaneice> Yup FF crashed also
[10:11] <Nsaneice> Eek, no package for it. :/
[10:12] <hondje> eliUbuntu: yeah, matlab is for linear algebra mostly
[10:12] <concept10> I wish I could change the god-awful Java font
[10:12] <hondje> signal processing, matrices, that sorta thing
[10:12] <hondje> 'lazy mans fortran'
[10:12] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: Opera? nope. but they do a Ubuntu deb that's painless
[10:13] <Flying-Penguin> hey, I use a microsoft mouse :( and it has 5 buttons but the 2 side buttons don't work, is there a good downloadable mouse driver for linux?
[10:13] <eliUbuntu> oh, thanks hondje.
[10:13] <anacron_> is there a opera for linux?
[10:13] <Nsaneice> Madpilot: I have the .deb now..
[10:13] <gyaresu> anacron_, yes.
[10:13] <holycow> Flying-Penguin, not from microsoft -_-
[10:13] <Madpilot> anacron_: I'm on it right now.
[10:13] <anacron_> that's cool
[10:14] <hondje> you don't need a driver for your mouse buttons
[10:14] <Flying-Penguin> holycow, well I kinda knew that, but there are alot of 5 button mouses out there and I was just wondering if someone took the time to make drivers for them
[10:14] <hondje> you just need to twiddle with /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:14] <Flying-Penguin> realy?
[10:14] <anacron_> firefox is too heavy for my other computer, and dillo isn't quite finished product yet
[10:14] <holycow> Flying-Penguin, i was kidden, what hondje said, you will need to google 5 button mice
[10:14] <Flying-Penguin> hondje, I don't know much abought editing xorg.conf (I suck with linux)
[10:14] <Flying-Penguin> ok I will google it
[10:14] <hondje> Should be some good walkthroughs, if not I'm sure someone here can help
[10:15] <hondje> it's a common enough question though
[10:15] <Determinist> guys , i'm having a problem here. i cant seem to be able to mount my ntfs partitions (this is a dual boot system). fdisk -l gives me this:
[10:15] <Determinist>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[10:15] <Determinist> /dev/hda1   *           1        1275    10241406   42  SFS
[10:15] <Determinist> /dev/hda2            1276        7296    48363682+  42  SFS
[10:15] <gyaresu> !tell Flying-Penguin about IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
[10:15] <Determinist> but hda1 or hda2 do not appear in /dev/
[10:15] <gyaresu> Flying-Penguin, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
[10:15] <Determinist> what can i do about this?
[10:15] <gyaresu> Flying-Penguin, let me know if that helps.
[10:15] <holycow> nite
[10:16] <eliUbuntu> Determinist
[10:16] <Flying-Penguin> thank you gyaresu
[10:16] <gyaresu> Flying-Penguin, anytime.
[10:16] <eliUbuntu> there is an sh script that mounts all drives automatically
[10:16] <Flying-Penguin> I will look at it, I am playing wow on my comp wile we speek
[10:16] <eliUbuntu> and mounts the ntfs as only read
[10:16] <Flying-Penguin> takes me longer to do stuff than it otherwise would
[10:16] <gyaresu> ubotu mouse is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
[10:16] <Slatibart> Q: i want to install ubuntu on a computer which only has a modem access. Therefore i would like to prepare a bit and find out which packages has been updated and download them before and add them to a local repository. how can i find this packages
[10:17] <ubotu> okay, gyaresu
[10:17] <eliUbuntu> want thel link to it?
[10:17] <anacron_> eliUbuntu: omg how can i get that?
[10:17] <gyaresu> !mouse
[10:17] <ubotu> mouse is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
[10:17] <eliUbuntu> brb, getting the link
[10:17] <Determinist> eliUbuntu, i know , it says it cant find any ntfs partitions
[10:17] <concept10> gyaresu, why dont you change that to intellimouse
[10:17] <Madpilot> anacron_: I'm not sure how 'lightweight' you'll find Opera, if FF is too heavy for your comp. try it, though...
[10:17] <Determinist> eliUbuntu, my problem isnt with mounting them , it's with finding them lol
[10:17] <eliUbuntu> really? the winmac one?
[10:17] <Determinist> eliUbuntu, bingo
[10:18] <gyaresu> concept10, cause there is no other !mouse
[10:18] <mgcross> gyaresu: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mdf2iso:
[10:18] <mgcross>  mdf2iso depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21); however:  Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13.
[10:18] <eliUbuntu> wow... thats strange
[10:18] <mgcross> poop
[10:18] <Slatibart> Anyone an idea ? wiki wan't helpful yet
[10:18] <gyaresu> mgcross, did you './configure'
[10:18] <eliUbuntu> anacron here is the link nonetheless -> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[10:18] <anacron_> Madpilot: it's not "too heavy", but could be lighter, in windows firefox seems much lighter than in linux
[10:18] <Determinist> eliUbuntu, yeah :/
[10:18] <Computer__Guru> ubotu Computer__Guru is the mack-daddy!
[10:18] <ubotu> okay, Computer__Guru
[10:18] <gyaresu> mgcross, and see what that returns?
[10:18] <anacron_> eliUbuntu: thanks, i'll check it out
[10:18] <eliUbuntu> i also have dual boot and no problems
[10:18] <eliUbuntu> anacron: np :)
[10:18] <Determinist> it's driving me mad
[10:18] <mgcross> gyaresu: nope...didn't wanna cause probs...
[10:19] <Determinist> perhaps i dont have ntfs support or something?
[10:19] <Computer__Guru> !Computer__Guru
[10:19] <ubotu> [computer__guru]  the mack-daddy!
[10:19] <Flying-Penguin> gyaresu, to tell you the truth this is my server and it doesn't have my mouse, and I am playing wow in windows right now on my mian comp, so I will have to get back to you on if that helps :( but it looks like it will
[10:19] <Computer__Guru> :D
[10:19] <Madpilot> Computer__Guru: that's one of the things we're not supposed to do to ubotu, I think...
[10:19] <Determinist> what packages do i need to have installed ?
[10:19] <hondje> Determinist: you do. what command did you use to mount it?
[10:19] <Computer__Guru> oh okay
[10:19] <mgcross> gyaresu: newbie, me, lol
[10:19] <Computer__Guru> ubotu forget Computer__Guru
[10:19] <ubotu> i forgot computer__guru, Computer__Guru
[10:19] <gyaresu> mgcross, s'aight.
[10:19] <mgcross> gyaresu: how would one do that...
[10:19] <Computer__Guru> ubotu, thank you.
[10:19] <ubotu> Computer__Guru: pas de quoi
[10:19] <Determinist> hondje, mate , you cant mount something that isnt in /dev/ and hda1 or hda2 are simply not there
[10:20] <eliUbuntu> i just used the winmac sh and kabaam it all worked
[10:20] <Madpilot> anacron_: haven't used FF for actually surfing in Ubuntu, but give Opera a shot. www.opera.com/download -- then select the Ubuntu .deb
[10:20] <hondje> Determinist: didn't fdisk -l just show them?
[10:20] <gyaresu> mgcross, so you know when you 'tar jxvf mdf2iso-.tar.bz'
[10:20] <Server-Penguing> thats better
[10:20] <Amaranth> Yeah, putting something about yourself in ubotu is as bad as putting something about yourself in wikipedia.
[10:20] <eliUbuntu> i manually loaded my vfat partition before
[10:20] <gyaresu> mgcross, then 'cd mdf2iso'
[10:20] <Determinist> hondje, it did, which puzzles me.
[10:20] <Slatibart> i want to find out which packages have changed since the last release and want to download them. i'm not running ubuntu at the moment.
[10:20] <Amaranth> If someone thinks you're important enough to have an entry in the bot, they'll put you in there with good info.
[10:20] <Slatibart> Where can i find help ?
[10:20] <gyaresu> mgcross, then always look for a 'README.debian' or somesuch.
[10:20] <hondje> Determinist: maybe it's a udev thing
[10:20] <Computer__Guru> Slatibart: is that supposed to be Slartibartfast?
[10:21] <Slatibart> yes
[10:21] <Slatibart> shortform
[10:21] <anacron_> Madpilot: do i have to get always deb files?
[10:21] <Computer__Guru> gotchya
[10:21] <Determinist> hondje, "ls /dev/ | grep hda" gives me only /dev/hda
[10:21] <gyaresu> mgcross, then './configure'
[10:21] <mgcross> gyaresu: hehehe...yes, I know, lazy me...
[10:21] <hondje> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt doesn't work?
[10:21] <Determinist> hondje, ok , so suppose it is , what am i to do about this? paint my puter blue and toss it into the ocean? lol
[10:21] <Server-Penguing> anacron_, you can use rpms... but you have to convert them using alien
[10:21] <Madpilot> anacron_: unless something's in the Ubuntu repos, yes.
[10:21] <gyaresu> mgcross, './configure' is looking for all the necessary bits and will complain if you don't have them.
[10:21] <Determinist> hondje, no lol
[10:21] <hondje> okay, you didn't say you tried to mount it, just that it's not in /dev
[10:21] <Ghetek> what port is ssh?
[10:21] <hondje> so, let's see...fdisk sees it, /dev dont
[10:22] <anacron_> Madpilot: okay
[10:22] <gyaresu> mgcross, have you compiled anything on this machine yet. do you have 'build-essential'?
[10:22] <mgcross> gyaresu: oic...installed from deb, you see
[10:22] <mgcross> gyaresu: i'll try from source
[10:22] <gyaresu> mgcross, there's a deb?
[10:22] <anacron_> Server-Penguing: thanks for the info
[10:22] <Nsaneice> Madpilot: Opera 8 craps out on me also on that site " http://www.nrg.be/ "
[10:22] <hondje> Determinist: that just doesn't make sense
[10:22] <mgcross> gyaresu: yep...dpkg -i returned the above error
[10:23] <Determinist> hondje, i agree
[10:23] <eliUbuntu> anacron: also dont install some sh programs like realplayer 10... cause sometimes when you install they and they dont work, then have fun removing each installed object yourself
[10:23] <gyaresu> mgcross, right. yeah. it's a simple matter of compiling the source into a binary and the just using it on the mdf file you want to convert...
[10:23] <Nsaneice> He must have left. :)
[10:23] <hondje> well, at least you know you're not crazy :)
[10:23] <Server-Penguing> anacron_, np
[10:23] <eliUbuntu> i did that myself with realplayer
[10:23] <Determinist> hondje, notice tho that fdisk -l shows hda1 and hda2 as SFS system
[10:23] <eliUbuntu> was not happy
[10:23] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: do you have Flash installed? that site is pure 100% Flash...
[10:23] <hondje> oh, is that what 42 is?
[10:23] <rainingzigzags> what media player will play wma files?
[10:23] <Nsaneice> Yes I have flash
[10:23] <gyaresu> mgcross, no need to install just use it like a spanner :)
[10:23] <hondje> that's really wierd
[10:23] <hondje> what the hell is SFS?
[10:24] <Computer__Guru> im really liking some of the kwin decos im downloading
[10:24] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: open a new tab in Opera. type "opera:plugins" w/o quotes
[10:24] <Determinist> hondje, that ... i do not know
[10:24] <mgcross> gyaresu: hmmm, seems to want a newer/diff ver of libc6
[10:24] <rainingzigzags> anyone know?
[10:24] <Nsaneice> Heh, an now when I open Opera it goes to that site
[10:24] <Nsaneice> and crashes
[10:24] <Determinist>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[10:24] <Determinist> /dev/hda1   *           1        1275    10241406   42  SFS
[10:24] <Determinist> /dev/hda2            1276        7296    48363682+  42  SFS
[10:24] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: huh?
[10:24] <hondje> oh wait
[10:24] <hondje> SFS is secure file system
[10:25] <eliUbuntu> Self-certifying File System
[10:25] <mgcross> gyaresu: crap
[10:25] <mgcross> gyaresu: lol
[10:25] <gyaresu> mgcross, are you right to upgrade and have a go at compiling? (i'll go get some needles if so). or maybe not...
[10:25] <gyaresu> mgcross, *noodles.
[10:25] <rainingzigzags> anyone know what media player will play wma files?
[10:25] <Nsaneice> Flash checks out
[10:25] <mgcross> gyaresu: s'what I get for trying to fix a winblows box for someone who has lost their win98 cd
[10:25] <Nsaneice> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflash-mozplugin.so
[10:25] <gyaresu> mgcross, is this a new system? have you enabled the extra repositories in sources.list?
[10:26] <Slatibart> Last try for help: I want to find out which packages have changed since the last release and download them without using Ubuntu. It's needed for trying out ubuntu on a computer with only modem access
[10:26] <eliUbuntu> wow, Determinist that is strange stuff you having going on your computer
[10:26] <mgcross> gyaresu: it's a p2 333 or I'd just put linux/gnome on it....
[10:26] <Determinist> eliUbuntu, dude , it's a standard winxp+hoary dual boot on a p4 2.4 , i have no idea what's going on lol
[10:26] <Slatibart> updating ubuntu would take hours with the small bandwidth
[10:26] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: that's from "opera:plugins"?
[10:26] <Nsaneice> Yes
[10:26] <mgcross> gyaresu: yes, I have...
[10:26] <hondje> 42 Linux swap (sharing disk with DRDOS)
[10:26] <hondje> 42 SFS (Secure Filesystem)
[10:26] <hondje> 42 Windows 2000 marker
[10:27] <aatim> just installed apache2 in Ubuntu, how would i know if mod_ssl is installed?
[10:27] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: odd. do other Flash sites work?
[10:27] <mgcross> gyaresu: lemme to an update...
[10:27] <eliUbuntu> Determinist: I have the same setup... my winxp is on hda1 and hoary on hda3
[10:27] <hondje> No clue
[10:27] <Nsaneice> Madpilot: Not that I know of..
[10:27] <Determinist> hoary is on hdb here , winxp on hda
[10:27] <gyaresu> mgcross, /msg me if it goes pear shaped...
[10:27] <eliUbuntu> still trying to imagine how hoary decided that ntfs is sfs
[10:27] <Nsaneice> Madpilot: Alot of sites crash like http://www.spencergifts.com
[10:27] <mgcross> gyaresu: ty
[10:27] <rainingzigzags> does anyone know what media player in linux will play wma files?
[10:28] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: i can't recall the specifics of enabling Flash in Opera in Ubuntu.
[10:28] <eliUbuntu> rainingzigzags, get the w32codecs and it should work
[10:28] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: I do remember that Opera's own help pages were shamefully out of date...
[10:28] <Nsaneice> Madpilot:  Screenshot of Opera and it's plugins http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot7ve.png
[10:28] <rainingzigzags> where would i get them at?
[10:29] <eliUbuntu> rainingzigzags, let me get you the page on that... brb
[10:29] <rainingzigzags> ok
[10:29] <gyaresu> !codecs
[10:29] <ubotu> codecs is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:29] <hondje> Determinist: having dug out the giant book o' fdisk I have determined that I have no clue :)
[10:29] <gyaresu> !tell rainingzigzags about codecs
[10:30] <Determinist> hondje, lol , thanks anyways mate
[10:30] <eliUbuntu> rainingzigzags, here is the link -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia?highlight=%28w32codecs%29
[10:30] <rainingzigzags> ty
[10:30] <gyaresu> eliUbuntu, you can 'bang'codecs
[10:30] <sinferno> how can i find out info on a symbolic link
[10:30] <hondje> Determinist: only thing I can think of is to reboot and see if you find anything interesting in dmesg about hda or hal
[10:31] <Slatibart> I assume nobody knows the answer to my question ? Or am i overseeing rules and or procedures for this channel ? First time here
[10:31] <hondje> sinferno: what sorta info?
[10:31] <gyaresu> sinferno, 'la -l'
[10:31] <sinferno> gyaresu, thnaks
[10:31] <eliUbuntu> gyaresu, bang codecs... ponders on the meaning of that
[10:31] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: OK, Opera thinks it has all the right plugins. But mine doesn't crash when it runs into Flash...
[10:31] <hondje> Pointless difference
[10:31] <gyaresu> eliUbuntu, ! == bang
[10:31] <eliUbuntu> ! == bang
[10:31] <ubotu> eliUbuntu: I don't know
[10:32] <hondje> time for sleep
[10:32] <gyaresu> eliUbuntu, no. the exclamation mark is coloquially know as 'bang'.
[10:32] <gyaresu> Slatibart, let me read your previous question...
[10:32] <Nsaneice> Madpilot: Did you use the package manager or manually install Flash?
[10:32] <Slatibart> thx gyaresu
[10:32] <eliUbuntu> !codec
[10:32] <ubotu> eliUbuntu: Are you smoking crack?
[10:33] <gyaresu> !codecs
[10:33] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:33] <eliUbuntu> !codecs
[10:33] <eliUbuntu> interesting response ubotu gave
[10:33] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: I'm trying to remember. I had a page of notes about Flash install, but junked it last week! doh!
[10:34] <gyaresu> !factoids
[10:34] <ubotu> somebody said factoids was at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:34] <eliUbuntu> !factoids
[10:34] <gyaresu> eliUbuntu, you are doing it too soon after...
[10:34] <Madpilot> if you give ubotu the same command too quickly, it won't respond
[10:34] <Madpilot> and it'll tell you off in private...
[10:35] <gyaresu> eliUbuntu, '/msg ubotu' and the type in the ones there to play.
[10:35] <bob2> you're welcome to talk to it in /msg, too
[10:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol is it mean when it tells you off?
[10:35] <gyaresu> eliUbuntu, sorry 'play' came out the wrong way.
[10:35] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: I must have installed manually. none of the packages in Syn are installed...
[10:35] <Nsaneice> Okie
[10:35] <Nsaneice> then that is what I must do
[10:35] <Nsaneice> done it before in Slack
[10:35] <Nsaneice> thanks
[10:35] <eliUbuntu> gyaresu, its ok thanks for the info though :)
[10:35] <tiglionabbit> hmm, I've got two ntfs hard drives in this old machine and I can't seem to boot windows XP.  What the carp can I do...
[10:36] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: start here: http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
[10:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> tiglionabbit thats when you need to get your self a copy of the knoppix cd
[10:36] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: and here: http://www.opera.com/linux/docs/plugins/install/index.dml#flash
[10:37] <tiglionabbit> well I've got a small debian install on it, but it's such an old debian I want to gut it and tear it apart =P
[10:37] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: but parts of Opera's own instructions are no longer working...
[10:37] <Nsaneice> Madpilot: NOTE: Macromedia Flash Player requires two font packages
[10:37] <Nsaneice>       to be installed, gsfonts and gsfonts-x11.
[10:37] <Nsaneice> Dirty..
[10:37] <gyaresu> Slatibart, so what's your situation? you have a warty install disk and want to upgrade?
[10:37] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: those are in repos
[10:37] <Nsaneice> yup yup
[10:37] <Slatibart> i have a cd from april
[10:37] <tiglionabbit> oh cool, I have those already
[10:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> tiglionabbit well the knoppix cd would help you to save the files that you want to keep then you can just dump everything and do it the way ya want to
[10:37] <Slatibart> want to install and i know i have donwload a lot of updates
[10:38] <Nsaneice> I will work on it thanks.   :)
[10:38] <Slatibart> this will take hours on a modem
[10:38] <gyaresu> Slatibart, TAB complete after typing the first couple of letters of someones name....
[10:38] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: yeah, I should probably ask my brother if I can back this stuff up on his machine for the moment...
[10:38] <eliUbuntu> in the 64 bit ubuntu can you compile 32 bit kernels? thinking about going for again... but hesitant
[10:38] <gyaresu> Slatibart, that way i get 'notification'. please.
[10:38] <mgcross> gyaresu: ty very much...went fine...geuess the deb had different deps??
[10:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> tiglionabbit can't hert what kinda box is it that your redoin?
[10:38] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: no problem. Opera/Flash/Linux do work, I wish now I hadn't trashed my notes!
[10:38] <Slatibart> gyaresu: ok, and i'm now sitting on a big pupe without ubuntu and just want download the changed packages
[10:38] <gyaresu> mgcross, great news. let me know if you convert a 700MB mdf without segfaulting :)
[10:39] <gyaresu> Slatibart, "big pup"?
[10:39] <gyaresu> Slatibart, "big pupe"?
[10:39] <Slatibart>  gyaresu: pipe
[10:39] <mgcross> gyaresu: hehe...win98 is only 458 (bleah) megs of garbage
[10:39] <Slatibart>  gyaresu: big bandwidht :)
[10:39] <mgcross> gyaresu: lol
[10:39] <tiglionabbit> say guys, I've got both machines hooked up to the same switch, is there a way I can mount a hard drive from that one so I can look at it on ubuntu?
[10:39] <Nsaneice> Wow that was easy..
[10:39] <Nsaneice> Now for the test.   >:)
[10:39] <gyaresu> Slatibart, sorry Slatibart I still don't quite get where you are at...
[10:40] <sinferno> ok is uninstalling stuff with cedega as simple as deleting it from the virtual c drive/
[10:40] <gyaresu> Slatibart, "please explain" (ref: pauline hanson :: australian joke)
[10:40] <tiglionabbit> It was the Nerd, with the Sed Pipe, in the Unix Lab
[10:40] <sinferno> or is htat bad
[10:40] <tiglionabbit> I win at Clue!
[10:41] <sinferno> whats the best way to uninstall games that have been installed with cedega
[10:41] <Nsaneice> Well hot dog Madpilot, it works..
[10:41] <Slatibart> gyaresu: no problem. installing ubuntu needs updating because there are a lot of security fixes so on. The computer has only a slow modem. updating will take hours.
[10:41] <drcode> hi all
[10:41] <Nsaneice> In both Op and FF..
[10:41] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: cool, now write down how you did it so we'll all know! :)
[10:41] <gyaresu> Slatibart, so where's the fat_pipe come in? windows machine that you're on now or something?
[10:41] <drcode> any one here?
[10:42] <Slatibart> gyaresu: i have now have a fast acces to the internet and want to download the updates... i'm sitting now on a debian machine
[10:42] <drcode> I want to use 3d direct in vmware
[10:42] <drcode> 5.0
[10:42] <drcode> any idea?
[10:42] <gyaresu> Slatibart, and you can't use that connection for the ubuntu box?
[10:42] <anacron_> id like to get my videos running with my epia mini-itx :D
[10:42] <gyaresu> Slatibart, (sorry to ask the obvious)
[10:42] <gyaresu> Slatibart, the obvious tends to get overlooked.
[10:42] <Slatibart> gyaresu: no, it's my girlfriend computer and she lives 200km away from me :)
[10:43] <gyaresu> Slatibart, ha! right.
[10:43] <Nsaneice> Madpilot: I just used the .sh, hit enter to install, a for all web browser dirs, and n to not install it again
[10:43] <sinferno> whats the best way to uninstall games that have been installed with cedega
[10:43] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: that's the package off Macromedia's website?
[10:43] <Nsaneice> Yup
[10:43] <tiglionabbit> dunno sinferno, do they have uninstallers?  You could just delete them I bet
[10:43] <gyaresu> Slatibart, does the ubuntu box (that's 200KM away) work?
[10:43] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: cool, I didn't remember it being that complex, glad it works!
[10:44] <sinferno> tiglionabbit, thats what i have been doing, i was just wondering
[10:44] <sinferno> tiglionabbit, thanks for the input i feel better about doing it now
[10:44] <tiglionabbit> well, I haven't used it.  I was just trying to make a suggestion =P
[10:44] <Slatibart> gyaresu: i will go this weekend to her. with a fresh cd i got from ubuntu. and i don't expect any difficulties with installing
[10:44] <sinferno> tiglionabbit, lol, i mean theres no registry entries or anything so i guess they are just there
[10:44] <gyaresu> drcode, what are you trying to accomplish?
[10:44] <mgcross> gyaresu: wow...quick and fast...
[10:45] <tiglionabbit> sinferno: do you have that "3rd party software" thingy in your applications menu?
[10:45] <mgcross> gyaresu: thanks again....CAnuck in Korea OUT!
[10:45] <gyaresu> Slatibart, and you want a list of packages you'll need...
[10:45] <tiglionabbit> sinferno: apps -> system tools -> manage 3rd party software
[10:45] <Slatibart> gyaresu: i just want to bypass the hours of downloading and spending money for the internet connection... i renmeber that open office needs updating and that is a big packages
[10:45] <gyaresu> mgcross, nice one.
[10:45] <sinferno> tiglionabbit, no i dont
[10:46] <rainingzigzags> where would i get opera at? is it in one of the repositories?
[10:46] <Slatibart> gyaresu: a list of dpkg which have been updatedet since then and a way to download them directly
[10:46] <gyaresu> Slatibart, you could zip up the package cache of an already installed ubuntu machine. or get the list of packages from someone and wget them...
[10:46] <sinferno> tiglionabbit, is that bad?
[10:46] <Madpilot> rainingzigzags: not in repos. www.opera.com/downloads  then select Ubuntu
[10:46] <tiglionabbit> sinferno: no, I was just wondering if cedega does that.  I guess it's just autopackage
[10:47] <sinferno> tiglionabbit, i dont have point 2 play, i guess that installs it, i dont like p2p
[10:47] <sinferno> tiglionabbit, i dont think its neccesarry
[10:47] <anacron> hurray i got bitlbee running on my own machine
[10:47] <gyaresu> Slatibart, there is bound to be a sensible way of doing that.
[10:47] <anacron> now i need to configure it :D
[10:48] <Slatibart> gyaresu:  that would be probably the option with access to a ubuntu machine. i'm still debian at home and only had a short test installation which is gone for the moment. if i would have more time this would be an option to do so
[10:48] <sinferno> tiglionabbit, i was actually wondering if i delete them from the symbolic link, does it affect the real files
[10:48] <NatF-UQI> depends
[10:48] <tiglionabbit> sinferno: no, only hard links do
[10:48] <rainingzigzags> madpilot, how do i install it once i download it?
[10:48] <Slatibart> gyaresu: so probably you can provide me a list of changes ?? Or any one else
[10:49] <sinferno> tiglionabbit, oh, how do i trace a symbolic link
[10:49] <NatF-UQI> err.. i was told that symlinks can delete the hardfiles it just depends how u call delete
[10:49] <gyaresu> Slatibart, i should be able to. give me a second.
[10:49] <tiglionabbit> sinferno: ls -l it
[10:49] <sinferno> tiglionabbit, thanks
[10:49] <Slatibart> gyaresu: sure :)
[10:49] <NatF-UQI> if a direotry is linked ie /home/nf/link to /var/links/ and u do rm /home/nf/link/ that will delete whats in the direcotry etc
[10:50] <gyaresu> Slatibart, 'apt-cache pkgnames >> ubunto_packages.txt'
[10:50] <Madpilot> rainingzigzags: "dpkg -i [name of file.deb] " - but PLEASE ask someone more experienced that me to confirm that!
[10:51] <rainingzigzags> lol i jsut started using linux a couple days ago
[10:51] <gyaresu> Slatibart, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/579
[10:51] <gyaresu> Slatibart, that's what i've got installed and i'm in australia
[10:53] <Madpilot> can someone with clue double check my dpkg info to rainingzigzags please?
[10:53] <eliUbuntu> rainingzigzags, you can enter the following in the terminal to find out more about dpkg -> man dpkg
[10:53] <eliUbuntu> it will mention all the info about it
[10:53] <gyaresu> Slatibart, i don't know but if you 'apt-get  -c=? -o=?' you should be able to do it from your debian box.
[10:54] <gyaresu> Madpilot, need help? (i havn't been following)
[10:54] <sinferno> anyone know a good link to get windows fonts? i keep finding them in .exe for some reason
[10:54] <Slatibart> gyaresu: that's more less everything installed including the security updates i guess ? would be nice to only find out the updates
[10:54] <gyaresu> !fonts
[10:54] <ubotu> fonts is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[10:55] <Madpilot> gyaresu: just don't want to give rainingzigzags bad info re: installing Opera's deb via dpkg...
[10:55] <sinferno> i dont want to install them
[10:55] <sinferno> i just want tff
[10:55] <sinferno> for my virtual windows drive
[10:55] <Server-Penguing> sorry to ask but I am a nub, does anyone think there will be a problem with this if I use it in xorg not xfree? http://blog.blackdown.de/2005/03/01/tilt-wheel-mouse/
[10:55] <rainingzigzags> that command worked but it didnt install anything it just unpacked it
[10:55] <Slatibart> gyaresu: i know apt-get for the standard stuff -c -o never tried before
[10:55] <anacron> how can i configure my bitlbee?
[10:55] <eliUbuntu> what command did you do rainingzigzags?
[10:56] <rainingzigzags> dpkg -i opera-static_8.01-20050615.1-qt_en_i386.deb
[10:56] <sinferno> gahhhhhhhhhhhh
[10:56] <gyaresu> Madpilot, rainingzigzags opera may break things.... that's the only problem. if it installs.
[10:56] <Madpilot> rainingzigzags: that should have worked. open a terminal and type "opera" w/o quotes
[10:56] <tiglionabbit> say, if I'm ssh-ing and run a graphical program, and it says "cannot connect to X server", is that a problem with the machine I'm ssh-ing, or one I can fix on my side and see the graphical program?
[10:56] <gyaresu> Slatibart, I only suggest looking into it. i have never done it.
[10:56] <Madpilot> gyaresu: it hasn't broken anything on my machine...
[10:57] <rainingzigzags> cool it did work
[10:57] <rainingzigzags> ty
[10:57] <gyaresu> Madpilot, gets a lollie.
[10:57] <eliUbuntu> gyaresu, you answered a question indirectly... but i have finally figured out something else
[10:57] <gyaresu> eliUbuntu, ?
[10:57] <Slatibart> gyaresu: thanks for your help and patient so far. Looks like the problem is a complex one :)
[10:57] <eliUbuntu> i installed an ati rpm package via alien
[10:57] <Server-Penguing> can anyone help me with my qustion?
[10:57] <eliUbuntu> my fglrx drivers never worked since... now i know why
[10:58] <Madpilot> rainingzigzags, gyaresu: cool. glad it worked.
[10:58] <rainingzigzags> how would i make that a desktop shortcut now?
[10:58] <gyaresu> Slatibart, it's linux so it MUST be possible. ( the UP side of such a complex system)
[10:58] <mindspin> Server-Penguing: could you repeat your question please
[10:58] <Burgundavia> rainingzigzags, right click and choose create launcher
[10:58] <Server-Penguing> sorry to ask but I am a nub, does anyone think there will be a problem with this if I use it in xorg not xfree? http://blog.blackdown.de/2005/03/01/tilt-wheel-mouse/
[10:58] <gyaresu> Server-Penguing, i'll look at your link.
[10:58] <Slatibart> gyaresu: it's only the question how is the proper trick .....
[10:58] <Server-Penguing> mindspin, ^^
[10:58] <Server-Penguing> ty
[10:58] <Server-Penguing> verry much
[10:59] <Madpilot> well, g'night/morning/whatever, everyone. I need sleep. 0205 here...
[10:59] <gyaresu> Server-Penguing, you are just checking before you start hacking things up?
[10:59] <Server-Penguing> yah
[10:59] <Server-Penguing> I break linux to much :/
[11:00] <gyaresu> Server-Penguing, as long as you 'cp /etc/thing/stuff /etc/thing/stuff.bak' for EVERYTHING then you can always just put the originals back.
[11:00] <Server-Penguing> true
[11:00] <Server-Penguing> thank you
[11:00] <taw> hello
[11:01] <tiglionabbit> cp -r
[11:01] <Server-Penguing> its probly easyer to fix a problem someone already has anywho
[11:01] <monteiro> if i install prelink the applications could run faster ?
[11:01] <tiglionabbit> er, cp -ra
[11:01] <tiglionabbit> monteiro: dunno, why would that be?
[11:01] <gyaresu> Server-Penguing, (remember to TAB complete names so I get notified)
[11:02] <monteiro> tiglionabbit : i read it somewhere that could accelerate the system in case of programs that uses shared libs like gnome apps
[11:02] <taw> so a few questions about ubuntu ...
[11:03] <eliUbuntu> anyone ever used dma for the hard drive? if so, did it speed up your system?
[11:03] <gyaresu> taw, shoot. you'll get some answers.
[11:03] <Server-Penguing> gyaresu, sorry
[11:03] <gyaresu> Server-Penguing, for what?
[11:03] <taw> does it come with nvidia drivers, precompiled mplayer, x.org's x ?
[11:03] <gyaresu> Server-Penguing, oh. no.
[11:03] <monteiro> eliUbuntu : you need dma! :)
[11:03] <gyaresu> taw, yes.
[11:03] <eliUbuntu> monteiro , so it really does work though?
[11:03] <gyaresu> taw, next question :)
[11:04] <gyaresu> taw, there's even an nvidia 'control panel'.
[11:04] <monteiro> taw : xorg yes the rest you download with a program called synaptic, that will install and configure automatically
[11:04] <eliUbuntu> i initiated dma and didnt see any serious improvement
[11:04] <gyaresu> taw, i'm a debian boy. it's debian with bits that 'just work'.
[11:04] <taw> is it utf8ed ?
[11:04] <monteiro> eliUbuntu : i think, but the changes are minimal
[11:04] <gyaresu> taw, yes.
[11:05] <Server-Penguing> ahh!! darn allience!
[11:05] <eliUbuntu> monteiro , i thought the same... good to know im not missing out on anything
[11:05] <monteiro> eliUbuntu : you see dma working when you are copying files, and making things in your pc, your mouse breaks if dma is not activated
[11:05] <taw> can i get everything run without editing any conffiles ? (everything includes in particular X, mail daemon and network setup)
[11:06] <monteiro> eliUbuntu : the disavantage is that goes to cron.daily, all days he makes an update like slocate
[11:06] <gyaresu> taw, no. it's linux.
[11:06] <gyaresu> taw, :)
[11:06] <mindspin> ;-)
[11:06] <eliUbuntu> oh.. i just initiated dma one day and put it in the system to keep booting dma everytime i turned on the computer...
[11:06] <monteiro> taw : you see dma working when you are copying files, and making things in your pc, your mouse breaks if dma is not activated
[11:07] <monteiro> eliUbuntu : i've little ram, thats why i need something more to improve the speed of my system
[11:07] <taw> monteiro: t<tab> ;-) ?
[11:07] <mindspin> taw do you know an OS which does not need configuring?
[11:08] <monteiro> taw : i've done a mistake :)
[11:08] <eliUbuntu> but if you have one gig of ram... then it would not really do much... other than having dma for the dvd films right?
[11:08] <taw> mindspin: knoppix and windoze let me run gui without configuration
[11:08] <mindspin> even networking?
[11:08] <taw> otoh, debian and gentoo do not
[11:08] <mindspin> knoppix is debian
[11:08] <gyaresu> taw, knoppix doesn't let you get your 1280x1024@75
[11:09] <monteiro> eliUbuntu : running dvd's you need a dvd and a fast processor, and 128 ram :)
[11:09] <mindspin> and windows does definately not come with configured networking
[11:09] <Garrison> Anyone know of a table of available video modes for console framebuffer?
[11:09] <gyaresu> taw, 'lspci -vv' http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:09] <eliUbuntu> windows comes with spyware and viruses... yours truly
[11:10] <taw> configuring networking isn't that bad, but X ...
[11:10] <Garrison> All I can find is 0x*** and I need the actual decimal values
[11:10] <Hylas> Can someone help me out here? Is it possible to run an installed copy of Ubuntu without the /boot partition? Like a boot disk?
[11:10] <eliUbuntu> moneiro , thanks for all the info
[11:10] <monteiro> if we are going to see windows offers us a lot of things like virus and spyware ehhehe extra windows for free!
[11:10] <mindspin> there never was trouble with x on my machines, same as with knoppix (for me)
[11:10] <eliUbuntu> Hylas, yes you can use grub
[11:11] <Seveas> Garrison, use gcalctool to convert them
[11:11] <gyaresu> taw, nvidia-glx && nvidia-settings make it pretty easy. you still need to know your monitor type.
[11:11] <monteiro> Hylas : yes, but you need to change the location of the kernel_image and change the grub configuration
[11:11] <gyaresu> taw, the best bit is the wiki and this channel.
[11:12] <Hylas> I dont want grub though, just a floppy or cd that I can insert to boot ubuntu and if it's not inserted then boot windows
[11:12] <taw> gyaresu:  this http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/580 ?
[11:12] <mindspin> taw: ubuntu is much more confortable when updating comes in play, much better as under knoppix hd-install
[11:12] <monteiro> taw : there exists an ubuntuguide.org that has many good things like installing video players, dvd rips and a lot of things.. see it
[11:12] <Garrison> Seveas; how?
[11:12] <MilitantDK> Hi again, google has some suggestions to get 3D to work on Ubuntu, f.ex. downgrading the kernel. my kernel is 2.6.10-5-686. how do I install an older one that will work with my ATI FireGL T2 (IBM T42P)?
[11:13] <gyaresu> taw, some geForce2 don't use the nvidia driver.
[11:13] <Seveas> Hylas, use grub-floppy to install grub on a floppy
[11:13] <monteiro> MilitantDK : does the ati drivers actually support your 3d card ?
[11:13] <Hylas> Where can i get a copy of that?
[11:13] <gyaresu> taw, that might have been some of the problem.
[11:13] <taw> last question for today, which iso is the most recent livecd ?
[11:13] <Seveas> Garrison, set it to octal, enter your number, hit enter, set it to decimal and read the decimal value
[11:14] <Seveas> Garrison, you need the scientific view (menu view -> scientific)
[11:14] <monteiro> taw : stable: hoary 5.04
[11:14] <Garrison> 0x317 would be 317 or 0317?
[11:14] <taw> gyaresu: the problem is where ? i have nvidia drivers set, but with some pain
[11:14] <Seveas> 317 when in octal view
[11:14] <taw> monteiro: debian derivate and i'm supposed to use stable ;-) ?
[11:14] <Seveas> it's 207 decimal
[11:14] <Computer__Guru> im back
[11:15] <Computer__Guru> had to apply a new style
[11:15] <Computer__Guru> now i need a more plastic looking icon set, heh
[11:15] <Garrison> Seveas; thanks, got it.
[11:15] <Garrison> 207
[11:15] <gyaresu> taw, all i can say is that unless you are a source_only person (gentoo) then this is the distro of the moment.
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> Seveas, I have question for you. someone was in here earlier with a problem about mounting his ntfs partition
[11:16] <eliUbuntu> when he did an fdisk it said it and sfs partition and not ntfs
[11:16] <monteiro> taw : in ubuntu is called stable, in debian is called unstable :)
[11:16] <Garrison> eliUbuntu: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hd*# /mnt/mount.point
[11:16] <gyaresu> !ntfs
[11:16] <ubotu> [ntfs]  the filesystem used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[11:16] <taw> so, i'll be back tomorrow, after the iso downloads :-)
[11:16] <taw> see you later
[11:16] <mindspin> yw
[11:17] <eliUbuntu> but he could not mount it, because ubuntu thought it was sfs... not ntfs
[11:17] <Garrison> eliUbuntu xfs? or sfs?
[11:17] <eliUbuntu> sfs
[11:17] <eliUbuntu> strange is it not?
[11:18] <Garrison> meh, dont know. try booting it in a windows box to see what's up with the drive
[11:18] <Garrison> is it normal for the making of a kernel to spit out warnings?
[11:19] <Garrison> I would figure it is, but better safe.. heh
[11:19] <monteiro> Garrison : yes
[11:19] <pippijn> hi all
[11:19] <guillem> Hi! which is the best way to install a free X-server in a windows machine so one can control an Ubuntu remote machine?
[11:19] <pippijn> are there linux kernel headers for the 2.6 kernel?
[11:19] <action09> Garrison  hi, are u Mr Garrison from South Park ? :)
[11:19] <guillem> pippijn, sure
[11:19] <pippijn> for ubuntu that is
[11:20] <pippijn> I want to install vmware
[11:20] <gyaresu> guillem, vnc
[11:20] <guillem> pippijn, just check synaptic
[11:20] <monteiro> guillem : vnc
[11:20] <Garrison> action09; some days, otherwise i'm just Craz3d
[11:20] <guillem> gyaresu, vnc is easy but slow
[11:20] <guillem> gyaresu, I'm talking about a local network.
[11:20] <pippijn> guillem: I find only 2.4 headers
[11:20] <eliUbuntu> adios people, off to sleep
[11:20] <gyaresu> guillem, you're running it from a windows box so your 'free' options are small.
[11:21] <pippijn> guillem: are they those in /usr/include/linux?
[11:21] <guillem> pippijn, apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-5
[11:21] <Garrison> guillem; add other repos. you should find 2.6.10 headers
[11:21] <pippijn> I will try that
[11:21] <tiglionabbit> wow, this is interesting, on an entire 50 gigabyte partition for windows, I only found 593 Megabytes of stuff I want to keep...
[11:21] <pippijn> one moment
[11:21] <pippijn> yeey
[11:21] <pippijn> guillem: thanks
[11:21] <tiglionabbit> I hope I'm not missing something...
[11:22] <pippijn> it was linux-headers
[11:22] <pippijn> not kernel-headers
[11:22] <Tomcat_> tiglionabbit: Was the same with me... I only needed some documents and videos... :P
[11:22] <gyaresu> !tell pippijn about sources
[11:22] <guillem> gyaresu, well it is not me, it is another guy :-). Btw, once he installed Cygwin but the installation of that seems not to be straightfordward...
[11:22] <tiglionabbit> heh, it's mainly because I dropped all that stuff onto the second hard disk
[11:22] <rob^> gyaresu, is that working?
[11:22] <guillem> pippijn, ;-P nice.
[11:23] <gyaresu> rob^, is what working? the 'bang' thang?
[11:23] <rob^> it should be ubotu tell <nick> about <factroid>
[11:23] <guillem> There is also the option of nxserver/client. That seems pretty compact. Anyone has good experiences with that? Anyone using freenx, besides?
[11:23] <Seveas> guillem, freenx rocks
[11:23] <tiglionabbit> !tell tiglionabbit about stuff
[11:24] <rob^> !tell rob^ about crack
[11:24] <tiglionabbit> !tell rob^ about things
[11:24] <tiglionabbit> lol
[11:24] <gyaresu> rob^, ubotu seems to think he's told pippijn about sources.
[11:24] <rob^> hmm
[11:24] <guillem> Seveas, really? I will give it a try. On the client side, are you using nxclient or freenx client?
[11:24] <rob^> !tell rob^ about msttcorefonts
[11:24] <tiglionabbit> ubotu doesn't like to repeat itself, even if you msg it
[11:24] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: Are you smoking crack?
[11:24] <Seveas> guillem, nomachine NX client and freenx server
[11:24] <rob^> yeah, you can do it either way
[11:25] <Garrison> !tell Garrison about nonfree
[11:25] <Seveas> guillem, client on both windows and Ubuntu machines
[11:25] <tiglionabbit> like if one person /msg's ubotu, it wont let someone else /msg him about the same thing
[11:25] <guillem> Seveas, sweet- I've downloaded freenx_0.4.1-0alpha5_all.deb, it is safe to install that?
[11:25] <Trace> Hello, can anyone tell me how can i set microphone with amixer? i want set it to largest. sorry for my poor english
[11:25] <Seveas> guillem, I installed it from backports, works fine
[11:26] <Garrison> Trace; press m on it to unmute it.
[11:26] <Seveas> Trace, you can use alsamixer, it's simpler
[11:26] <rainingzigzags> is there a way to view someones cam on yahoo with linux?
[11:26] <Garrison> Trace: and use the arrow keys to change the volume (up and down)
[11:26] <guillem> Seveas, wow I have not yet included backpors repositories.. And I would like not to do if I can avoid it... so can I access the deb file directly somehow?
[11:26] <Trace> no, i must to use amixer, no X
[11:26] <Seveas> guillem, you can simply surf to the backports archive or enable backports, install freenx and disable backports
[11:27] <Garrison> Trace: Alsamixer doesn't use X
[11:27] <Trace> oh, sorry, i mean, i want to set it when i boot.
[11:27] <Garrison> Trace: it's a terminal progyg
[11:27] <Garrison> proggy*
[11:27] <Seveas> Trace, ah ok
[11:27] <Garrison> Trace; Oh.. I've been trying to figure that one out for a little while
[11:27] <guillem> Seveas, I really appreciate your help. Thank you very much!
[11:27] <rob^> !factoid
[11:27] <ubotu> I heard factoid is a list of commonly used factoids, found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuFactoids
[11:28] <gyaresu> !clue
[11:28] <ubotu> gyaresu: I don't know, could you explain it?
[11:28] <rainingzigzags> is there a way to view someones cam on yahoo with linux?
[11:28] <Trace> Oh~~~, Garrison, when i use alsamixer, which item i should use? "Mic"?
[11:28] <Seveas> Trace, probably amixer set Mic 100%
[11:28] <gyaresu> damn bot.
[11:28] <Trace> thx!! Let me have a try
[11:28] <gyaresu> !tell gyaresu about clue
[11:28] <rob^> there, added it to the wiki page :)
[11:28] <Seveas> rainingzigzags, gaim-vv perhaps
[11:28] <rob^> !tell gyaresu about factoid
[11:29] <Garrison> Trace; yes
[11:29] <Seveas> rob^, gyaresu please don't play with the bot...
[11:29] <gyaresu> !clue
[11:29] <ubotu> gyaresu: I don't know
[11:29] <rainingzigzags> gaim-vv?
[11:29] <gyaresu> (you can set your own factoids?)
[11:29] <rob^> Seveas, was just wiking the bot
[11:29] <Trace> so, Mic item means to set microphone, am i right?
[11:30] <Seveas> rainingzigzags, google is your friend :) (it's not included in ubuntu yet)
[11:30] <Seveas> Trace, yes
[11:30] <gyaresu> Seveas, It's all in the name of helping.
[11:30] <^rob^> !search glade--
[11:30] <ubotu> ^rob^: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[11:30] <Seveas> Trace, amixer set Mic 100%
[11:30] <Garrison> Seveas; how do I reset the console fonts? there's an init.d script I think.
[11:30] <^rob^> hello
[11:30] <rob^> 
[11:30] <Seveas> gyaresu, just ask someone anout the bot if you don't know how it works
[11:30] <Trace> thx!!
[11:30] <^rob^> does anybody know where to find glade-- package? - i am trying to compile gaiptek
[11:30] <rob^> Seveas, theres now a wiki page for it
[11:30] <Seveas> Garrison, probably a boot parameter :)
[11:31] <gyaresu> Seveas, I have and that's why i'm trying to programme some of the wiki entries in.
[11:31] <Seveas> Garrison, you need a boot parameter to set screen dimensions for the console
[11:31] <Garrison> Seveas; when you set the font/framebuffer, there's a command you can run to have it apply the changes
[11:31] <gyaresu> Seveas, do you know of ubotu's 'how to'?
[11:31] <Seveas> gyaresu, there are a lot of them in there already
[11:31] <Seveas> gyaresu, go to ubuntu.cc.com.au for a list of available factoids
[11:32] <rob^> ubotu tell Seveas about factoid
[11:32] <gyaresu> Seveas, yes. and the one i made wasn't in the list.
[11:32] <Seveas> Garrison, dunno about that, I never played with that beyond adding a boot parameter to get a 1024x768 screen
[11:32] <gyaresu> Seveas, the one that actually make the wiki usefull. IMO.
[11:32] <^rob^> glade-- ??
[11:32] <Computer__Guru> How do you put a button on a kde panel that you can put links to applications in?
[11:32] <tobi_> heya :)
[11:32] <gyaresu> Seveas, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WordIndex
[11:32] <tobi_> any idea where /etc/X11/xkb is gone in breezy ;) ?
[11:32] <Garrison> Seveas; yeah, I'm setting 1024x768 16bit. I want to get that little penguin back. :-D
[11:32] <mindspin> Computer__Guru: right click on panel,
[11:32] <tobi_> i know, the topic, i know... :)
[11:33] <Computer__Guru> mindspin: and then? add to panel, then what, cause ive been through them all and i dont see it
[11:33] <mindspin> wait
[11:33] <Computer__Guru> basically, i want a menu
[11:33] <Computer__Guru> besides the k menu
[11:33] <Computer__Guru> with links to apps in it
[11:33] <Computer__Guru> so i can order my apps by type
[11:34] <Computer__Guru> like Folders, Net, Graphics, Etc
[11:34] <tobi_> daniels: are you there :) ?
[11:34] <daniels> tobi_: 'course not
[11:34] <mindspin> theres an optio "spezialmenues " (in german) maybe "specials" or so in english
[11:35] <daniels> tobi_: oh, right, that.  sudo apt-get install xkeyboard-config.  if it's not in yet, just chill a couple of hours and wait for it to come in.
[11:35] <rainingzigzags> how do u install a tar.gz file?
[11:35] <Seveas> rainingzigzags, depends on the contents :)
[11:35] <Garrison> Building a kernel on a 900mhz laptop with 256mb ram is not advisable.
[11:35] <Seveas> rofl :)
[11:35] <rainingzigzags> gaim-vv
[11:35] <^rob^> rainingzigzags: tar jfz file.tar.gz - to unzip it
[11:36] <^rob^> rainingzigzags: gaim is in unbuntu package
[11:36] <Garrison> Been going for over an hour.
[11:36] <Seveas> ^johns^, j and z are mutual exclusive...
[11:36] <tobi_> daniels: thanks a lot :) gonna chill with copy and paste till then ;)
[11:36] <Seveas> and in this case it's zxf
[11:36] <Garrison> My 3200 box did it in 15 mins. :'(
[11:36] <Seveas> ^rob^, j and z are mutual exclusive...
[11:36] <rainingzigzags> ^rob^, not the gaim-vv for veiwing webcams in yahoo
[11:36] <^rob^> Seveas: nope z is for gz.
[11:36] <Seveas> ^rob^, and j for bzip2...
[11:36] <^rob^> yes
[11:36] <Seveas> zo you can't use them both
[11:36] <^rob^> he may note and use them ... ;)
[11:37] <Seveas> which you did :)
[11:37] <^rob^> oh - sorry
 rainingzigzags: tar jfz file.tar.gz - to unzip it
[11:37] <Garrison> Seveas; I always bunzip2 whatever.tar.bz2 and then tar -xvf it
[11:37] <Seveas> Garrison, that's just more work :)
[11:37] <rainingzigzags> tar: Conflicting compression options
[11:37] <Garrison> Seveas; exactly, the point of linux. You have to build your own kernel if you want anything that's even remotly special
[11:38] <^rob^> i can't find glade-- in unbuntu - any unofficial packages?
[11:38] <Seveas> Garrison, or ask for the thing you want to be available as a module...
[11:39] <Seveas> ^rob^, it's in ubuntu...
[11:39] <Garrison> Seveas; more like, I'm building a 120k kernel
[11:39] <^rob^> Seveas: where? - apt-cache yelled nothing
[11:39] <Garrison> Seveas; I've gotten it down to about 85kb before. ;)
[11:39] <Seveas> ^rob^, apt-cache search glade
[11:39] <Seveas> *lots*
[11:40] <Seveas> Garrison, that's not 'remotely special'
[11:40] <Garrison> Seveas; I'm aiming for certain things that aren't modularized to be so, and a few others to be included in the kernel
[11:40] <^rob^> Error running glade-- to generate the C++ source code.
[11:40] <^rob^> Check that you have glade-- installed and that it is in your PATH.
[11:40] <^rob^> Then try running 'glade-- <project_file.glade>' in a terminal.
[11:41] <^rob^> that's what glade gives if i try to compile gaiptek
[11:41] <^rob^> does anyone has succeded to compile gaiptek?
[11:42] <Seveas> hmm glade--
[11:42] <Seveas> i misread that
[11:42] <jcdubacq> hi
[11:42] <jcdubacq> is there a forum specific to ubuntu-x
[11:42] <gyaresu> goodluck tiglionabbit
[11:42] <jcdubacq> ?
[11:42] <Garrison> ^rob^; sudo apt-get install glade ?
[11:42] <^rob^> yes
[11:42] <Seveas> jcdubacq, ubuntuforums.org
[11:42] <^rob^> i have glade installed
[11:43] <^rob^> Garrison: i started that from glade
[11:43] <jcdubacq> I meant IRC forum
[11:43] <Seveas> ^rob^, try glade-2
[11:43] <catfox> any database guru's here? i've got a db design related question
[11:43] <Garrison> Ooh..
[11:43] <Seveas> jcdubacq, that's called channel :)
[11:43] <Seveas> and no, there is no special X channel
[11:43] <IceDC571> special X channel?
[11:43] <tiglionabbit> hm, if all I want to do is reformat something as ext3, which utility should I use?  (nothing graphical, the mouse on that machine duzn't work =P)
[11:43] <jcdubacq> ok, but when I say channel these days nobody understands any more. Thanks for the answer.
[11:44] <Seveas> tiglionabbit, mkfs.ext3
[11:44] <Garrison> tiglionabbit; sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/hd*#
[11:44] <mindspin> tiglionabbit: cfdisk?
[11:44] <Seveas> you'll lose all data on that drive though
[11:44] <^rob^> Seveas: glade-gnome-2 is already the newest version.
[11:44] <^rob^> there is no glade-2 package
[11:44] <Garrison> ^rob^ try glade-common
[11:44] <tiglionabbit> hmm, mkfs.ext3 seems to be linked to mke2fs on that machine
[11:45] <Seveas> ^rob^, pool/universe/g/glade-2/glade-2_2.10.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[11:45] <IceDC571> its glade2
[11:45] <Seveas> there is...
[11:45] <Seveas> IceDC571, not according to apt-cache :)
[11:45] <^rob^> glade-common-2 is already the newest version.
[11:45] <tiglionabbit> oh no, that's just the manual, never mind
[11:45] <Garrison> how about just 'glade-common' or glade-2 ?
[11:45] <tiglionabbit> anyway, thank you
[11:45] <IceDC571> theres glade-2, glade-common, and glade-common-2
[11:45] <Seveas>  ^rob^ do you have universe enabled?
[11:46] <^rob^> Seveas: i'll ck
[11:46] <^rob^> ha
[11:46] <tiglionabbit> mm, cfdisk, tasty
[11:46] <^rob^> no
[11:46] <Seveas> well, enable it :)
[11:46] <mindspin> -)
[11:46] <Seveas> ^rob^: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:46] <tiglionabbit> or go to...
[11:46] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[11:46] <ubotu> from memory, sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:47] <tiglionabbit> damn
[11:47] <^rob^> Seveas: i know how to add rep. i camed from debian
[11:47] <^rob^> ;)
[11:47] <tiglionabbit> it should be http://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersAddingRepositories
[11:48] <Seveas> !fprget sources
[11:48] <ubotu> Seveas: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[11:48] <Seveas> !forget sources
[11:48] <ubotu> Seveas: i forgot sources
[11:48] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, catches on quick.
[11:48] <Seveas> ubotu sources is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersAddingRepositories
[11:48] <ubotu> okay, Seveas
[11:48] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Anyone tried one of the usb to serial adapters? any pointers?
[11:48] <IceDC571> Tsar_vonHumbug: what are you trying to run that neads serial?
[11:48] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Cisco router consoles dude
[11:49] <gyaresu> Tsar_vonHumbug, autodetected fine for me. (GPS)
[11:49] <Tsar_vonHumbug> sweet!! should be no problems then
[11:49] <IceDC571> lol, im glad that worked out i guess..
[11:50] <^rob^> ok i have universe enabled and apt-get cached - (almost 70%)
[11:50] <Tsar_vonHumbug> I'm wondering which device they show up as?
[11:52] <IceDC571>   
[11:52] <flugh> i have 2 pcs i want to network. can i just use a normal blue network cable and go NIC to NIC, or do I need to get a crossover cable?
[11:52] <action09> crossover
[11:52] <action09> between 2 pcs
[11:53] <tiglionabbit> I'm not sure if mine is a crossover or not, but i was able to to it
[11:53] <tiglionabbit> *do
[11:53] <flugh> thanks. guess i need to stop by best buy on the way home
[11:53] <IceDC571> fck
[11:53] <Seveas> IceDC571...
[11:54] <to|m> hi, does someonoe installed MAYA with umbutu
[11:54] <gyaresu> IceDC571, family channel here...
[11:54] <IceDC571> Seveas: sorry.. i think im having too much fun tweaking xchat
[11:54] <^rob^> i've installed glade2
[11:54] <IceDC571> congrats!
[11:54] <^rob^> same error apppear - no glade--
[11:54] <Garrison> rebooting; have to test out the new kernel
[11:54] <IceDC571> oh
[11:55] <IceDC571> ^rob^: what are you trying to run?
[11:55] <Raptoid> slm..
[11:56] <^rob^> IceDC571: i am trying to compile gaiptek - the aiptek 12000U tool - my buttons are messed
[11:56] <^rob^> started glade-2, opened gaiptek.glade project
[11:56] <^rob^> compile give error that there's no glade-- in my system
[11:56] <tiglionabbit> how can you tell if something is a crossover or not?  It has a lot of things written on it.  "Type CM 24AWG 4PR 75(degrees)C (UL) E151955 CSA LL79189 CMG      ETL Verified TIA/ETA 568-B.2-1 CAT.6 UTP 500MHZ Cable Master B-4G7012"
[11:57] <IceDC571> ^rob^: i think you would need not only glade, but the dev package too
[11:57] <nightswim> look at the wires in the connectors
[11:57] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, the wires are in a different order in the plugs.
[11:57] <tiglionabbit> I can't see them
[11:57] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, then it probly isn't one.
[11:57] <tiglionabbit> but it worked as one
[11:58] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, if you've tried pluging it in and there is no light on the network port.
[11:58] <tiglionabbit> I just plugged it directly between a debian machine and an ubuntu machine, and ssh'd
[11:58] <IceDC571> ^rob^: have you tried libglade2-dev?
[11:58] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, then it is.
[11:58] <tiglionabbit> but it also works as a cable to just plug directly into my modem
[11:58] <^rob^> let me dpkg 1 sec
[11:58] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, yes. crossover do both.
[11:58] <tiglionabbit> oh
[11:58] <tiglionabbit> someone told me they didn't.
[11:58] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, swith is auto-sensing.
[11:58] <tiglionabbit> =P k
[11:59] <^rob^> ii  libglade2-dev  2.5.1-0ubuntu1 Development files for libglade
[11:59] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, old 'hubs' wont'.
[11:59] <tiglionabbit> thank you.  Guess I didn't have to read off all that crap on the cable then
[11:59] <IceDC571> yeah ^rob^ try that
[11:59] <flugh> thanks all
[11:59] <mumbles> tiglionabbit, the cable wont tell you
[11:59] <^rob^> it is installed
[11:59] <IceDC571> actually  libglade2-dev
[11:59] <IceDC571> oh
[11:59] <tiglionabbit> mumbles: why wouldn't it?
[11:59] <^rob^> [ii]  << means installed
[12:00] <IceDC571> hmm...
[12:00] <^rob^> still no glade--
[12:00] <mumbles> it should onley tell you the type of cable
[12:00] <IceDC571> ^rob^: maybe it needs glade and not glade2
[12:00] <^rob^> i've tryed that before
[12:00] <IceDC571> theres a libglade0-dev have you tried that?
[12:01] <mumbles> im off to have a shower
[12:01] <^rob^> IceDC571: do you have glade-- installed? - ck!
[12:02] <IceDC571> i have libglade- installed but no glade-
[12:03] <IceDC571> ^rob^: what are you trying to build? maybe i can try to build it too
[12:04] <^rob^> IceDC571: ok i'll give you a link - 1 sec
[12:04] <^rob^> IceDC571: can i dcc?
[12:04] <IceDC571> sure
[12:07] <geoAnt> Hello?  Does this work?
[12:07] <gyaresu> geoAnt, yes. your mike is on.
[12:08] <geoAnt> OK!  I'd like to get the lastest version of VLC (0.8.2) working on Hoary - backports doesnt have it, but the debian repos are availble here http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-debian.html
[12:09] <gyaresu> geoAnt, can i ask why?
[12:09] <geoAnt> Have tried these additions to sources.list but synaptic and apt-get don't want to play.  I can't handle having to install VLC by hand
[12:10] <gyaresu> geoAnt, define: "don't want to play"
[12:10] <geoAnt> VLC 082 has some specific things I want, DVB-S subtitling and compatibility with my Mac and windows versions, H.264...
[12:11] <to|m> ok, nice MAYA runs .)
[12:11] <gyaresu> geoAnt, 0.8.1 doesn't have those?
[12:11] <geoAnt> Don't want to play.... don't install.  apt-get doesn't pick up the archive.  I don't know much about how this works.
[12:11] <geoAnt> No, 081 is good, but I'm working on a satellite relay system and need 082
[12:12] <gyaresu> geoAnt, well aside from vlc is your sources.list configured properly.
[12:13] <tiglionabbit> man, I can just imagine a malicious linux user advising someone, who wants to mount their windows partition, to 'sudo mk2fs /dev/hda1'
[12:13] <geoAnt> sources.list - I've enabled universe and multiverse.  Nothing else.
[12:14] <gyaresu> geoAnt, up to you. backports has some fun stuff in it but...
[12:14] <gyaresu> geoAnt, so do you want to get the vlc source and then build a package?
[12:15] <hussam> how do you add a ubuntu cd as apt source from command line?
[12:15] <hussam> not with synaptic
[12:15] <geoAnt> The problem is building VLC requires you build all the deps, and life is too short for that.  Ubuntu and Synaptic is the first linux that solved that for me.
[12:15] <gyaresu> hussam, there's a command... i'll look.
[12:16] <snikker> hi, someone know what is the pourpose of  the directory "/.dev"  (not "/dev") ?
[12:16] <gyaresu> hussam, apt-cdrom
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> oh dude, wait a second here, is "lost+found" what ext3 calls journaling?
[12:17] <gyaresu> snikker, udev
[12:17] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, ext2 does.
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> but I mkfs.ext3 'd it
[12:18] <snikker> gyaresu: udev?
[12:18] <gyaresu> snikker, instead of devfs... it involves hotplug
[12:18] <gyaresu> snikker, aye.
[12:18] <hussam> gyaresu: all I have to do is "sudo apt-cdrom add" ?
[12:18] <gyaresu> hussam, or 'ident' it first...
[12:18] <geoAnt> Is building VLC and all the deps the only way to do this?  Can't I trick apt-get that the VLC repo can be used?
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> and when I mount it says:
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,
[12:18] <tiglionabbit>        or too many mounted file systems
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> unless I tell it a type with -t
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> (this is on an old debian system..)
[12:19] <hussam> gyaresu: what do you mean ident ?
[12:19] <gyaresu> geoAnt, i honestly don't know but if it needs certain versions then you will probably need those versions.
[12:19] <gyaresu> hussam, 'man apt-cdrom'
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> have I done something wrong here?
[12:19] <to|m> why doesn't save xvidtune my config I saved?
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> is this partition safe to use?
[12:20] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, no.
[12:20] <snikker> gyaresu: it's normal tha the content of the directory "/.dev" is (more or less) like "/dev" ?
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> what do you suggest I do then?
[12:20] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, bad superblock means the boot record is shazbot from memory.
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> what should I do?
[12:21] <hussam> gyaresu: thanks
[12:21] <wmealing> just wondering, in the ubuntu install, can it resize ntfs ?
[12:21] <geoAnt> OK, thanks for the chat gyaresu. I'll track down all the debs and go from there.
[12:21] <gyaresu> snikker, /dev/ is what's really loaded and /.dev/  are block devices that CAN be loaded (don't quote me)
[12:21] <gyaresu> geoAnt, good luck.
[12:22] <gyaresu> hussam, welcome.
[12:22] <tiglionabbit> wmealing: yes
[12:22] <gyaresu> snikker, http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html
[12:23] <snikker> gyaresu: ok, thank for all infos.. :-)
[12:23] <gyaresu> wmealing, yes but remember... if it's importand then don't rely that it will go right.
[12:23] <gyaresu> snikker, welcome
[12:24] <gyaresu> snikker, i found out after upgrading my debian server.... not funny.
[12:25] <snikker> gyaresu: it's the same for me... i've got it after some updates, but i don't know what...
[12:26] <gyaresu>  snikker try googling '.dev', it doesn't work.
[12:26] <gyaresu> snikker, drove me nuts... devfs to udev made a big mess.
[12:28] <tiglionabbit> argh this is scaring me
[12:29] <Mitario> lo
[12:29] <tiglionabbit> I reformatted the thing to ext3, or so I thought, but it always prints out "NTFS: Invalid $Mft record 0" when I mount it
[12:29] <Mitario> am I correct that ubuntu has some new cool wallpapers shipped with breezy?
[12:31] <snikker> gyaresu: yes, "devfs to udev" on google make a mess...
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> can someone console me about this?  I think I'll go to #debian
[12:31] <Seveas> tiglionabbit, probably you want to change the partition type too with cfdisk
[12:32] <tiglionabbit> it says it's "Linux" now.  cfdisk doesn't list ext2 or ext3 in it though!  wtf
[12:32] <Seveas> partition type and filesystem can be set separately
[12:32] <snikker> gyaresu: now i go to lunch,,, thanx again,,, bye.
[12:33] <gyaresu> snikker, night. good luck.
[12:33] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, you've bj0rked you Master File Table.
[12:34] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, Did you want to nuke the whole drive or keep some partition on it/
[12:34] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, ?
[12:35] <tiglionabbit> keep some partitions..
[12:35] <tiglionabbit> like for instance the partition I was using debian from...
[12:35] <tiglionabbit> bleh forget it, I'll just nuke debian too, I'm not using it
[12:35] <Seveas> tiglionabbit, just use cfdisk to change the partition type
[12:35] <Seveas> that will not format your disk
[12:35] <tiglionabbit> it's such a screwed up netinstall anyway
[12:35] <tiglionabbit> Seveas: what do I change it to?  I don't see ext3 among the options
[12:35] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, you can get it back you just need to fix the first 512KB of the drive...
[12:36] <Seveas> tiglionabbit, 'Linux'
[12:36] <tiglionabbit> it is "Linux"
[12:37] <tiglionabbit> lol, man if I could just boot my ubuntu live dvd on this thing...
[12:37] <tiglionabbit> for some reason it has a problem with that
[12:37] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, got a knoppix lying around?
[12:37] <tiglionabbit> nope..
[12:37] <Nameeater> whats the name of the package for apt-get if I want QT?
[12:37] <tiglionabbit> say, will a gentoo CD do it?  I've been meaning to try that distro out, but parted might not be fully compiled on it =P
[12:38] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, can you put that drive in any linux box at all?
[12:38] <tiglionabbit> gyaresu: nope..
[12:38] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, single drive machine?
[12:38] <mumbles> tiglionabbit, download knoppix and use qparted
[12:38] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, /dev/hda only?
[12:38] <tiglionabbit> I only have one linux machine around, and it's a laptop.  And that machine has two hard disks, but the other one is NTFS
[12:38] <edited> i think i have a knoppix live cd somewhere
[12:39] <gyaresu> edited, go over to tiglionabbit's place then... :)
[12:39] <tiglionabbit> I was actually reformatting this drive mainly so that I could pull the stuff off the other drive, to back it up, because that drive is noisy and defective
[12:39] <edited> lol
[12:39] <edited> tiglionabbit, where do u live?
[12:39] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, i'm pretty sure you've stuffed the 'boot sector'
[12:40] <tiglionabbit> it was /dev/hda1, and there's no /boot
[12:40] <tiglionabbit> used to be Windows C:/
[12:41] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, without a linux boot disk you'll have trouble.
[12:41] <tiglionabbit> er C:\
[12:41] <tiglionabbit> meh, I can write one
[12:41] <edited> get LFS!
[12:41] <IceDC571> wow, ^rob^ was trying to paste his code in my DCC chat, people get kicked for private flooding?
[12:41] <tiglionabbit> was trying to think how cheap I can possibly be, by perhaps installing things over a network rather than using a CD
[12:41] <edited> IceDC571, yea excess flood
[12:41] <^rob^> IceDC571: i'll use bastebin
[12:41] <^rob^> pastebin
[12:41] <^rob^> lol
[12:42] <edited> or his connection just couldnt handle it
[12:43] <edited> tiglionabbit, wat distro u thinking of installing?
[12:43] <tiglionabbit> edited: probably a couple of em, but after I back up my files..
[12:43] <edited> ooo
[12:43] <tiglionabbit> and send this other HD in for RMA
[12:43] <tiglionabbit> cuz it's too noisy
[12:44] <IceDC571> what is the difference between a PM and DCC chat, im guessing a dcc chat is more secure and its 'direct' to the person
[12:44] <edited> i have a 10GB space free on my hard drive for testing out distros, i might install gentoo
[12:45] <tiglionabbit> edited: I was surprised to see that, in the official guides for gentoo, the example install is like "I think I'll make the partition 2 gigs, but 1 is plenty for most users"
[12:45] <IceDC571> edited: so you're installing gentoo, eh? that would mean manually?
[12:45] <IceDC571> lol tiglionabbit
[12:45] <edited> tiglionabbit, lol
[12:46] <edited> IceDC571, yea manually over the network
[12:46] <edited> i think they have an installer you could download
[12:46] <IceDC571> edited: thats gotta be really, really painful
[12:46] <IceDC571> edited: they have vidalinux
[12:46] <edited> yea, less painfull then installing LFS
[12:46] <concept10> I cant believe xchat costs money on windows
[12:46] <edited> painful*
[12:47] <housetier> good the CDs have arrived :)
[12:47] <tiglionabbit> it's fun ssh-ing a machine that's 3 feet away from me...   pointless, but fun
[12:47] <edited> housetier, ubuntu CDs?
[12:47] <edited> lol
[12:47] <tiglionabbit> god damn, I sure wasted a lot of hard disk space
[12:48] <edited> gtg to work, cya all in couple of hours
[12:48] <tiglionabbit> the percentage of stuff that's actually created to me versus downloaded crap is like..  1%
[12:49] <tiglionabbit> --  du -sh Downloads --   19G
[12:49] <tiglionabbit> df -h /dev/hdb1 -- used: 39G
[12:50] <ClassTeac> PLEASE HELP: Just installed Ubuntu and now all i get is a crazy screen that's green black and red dithering....
[12:51] <tiglionabbit> o.o
[12:51] <tiglionabbit> sounds like X couldn't find a suitible resolution for your monitor, so it spazzed out
[12:51] <tiglionabbit> did you select the right resolutions at that stage of the installation?
[12:52] <ClassTeac> it never asked me for resolution :(
[12:52] <tiglionabbit> ClassTeac: well
[12:52] <tiglionabbit> you have two options
[12:52] <ompaul> anyone know if this error is exclusively caused by icmp being switched off http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/583
[12:53] <tiglionabbit> you can drop to a terminal and "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf", or "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[12:53] <ClassTeac> ill try that while I've got you here :)
[12:53] <tiglionabbit> I'd actually suggest the second of those if things are working badly
[12:53] <tiglionabbit> (the first is to manually edit your configs)
[12:54] <tiglionabbit> so, that'll just start up a configurator in some beautiful whiptail dialog boxes, and ask you a bunch of questions.  Hopefully, you know the correct answers to these questions
[12:54] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: you know, it never asked me for a resolution either, that i remember, just defaulted to the highest it discovered via EDID iirc
[12:55] <tiglionabbit> you know how to drop to terminal, right?  Control-Alt and an F key below F7
[12:55] <tiglionabbit> F7 to get back
[12:55] <ClassTeac> hmmm
[12:55] <nikkia> which, assuming your EDID result is correct, *should* be the right behaviour, IMO
[12:55] <tiglionabbit> to crazy messed up X
[12:55] <ClassTeac> won't let me CTRL ATL F+ANYTHING
[12:55] <tiglionabbit> er, like F1, the F keys
[12:55] <ClassTeac> :( I'm trying to add the '3' thingy to the kernal at bootup if that makes any sense
[12:56] <ClassTeac> But that didn't work either
[12:56] <tiglionabbit> 3 thingy?  no idea
[12:56] <nikkia> ClassTeac: ubuntu only has two (normal) runlevels really single user and 'full blown X'
[12:56] <ClassTeac> Kernel blah blah blah blah 3
[12:56] <nikkia> ClassTeac: there is no 'GUI' and 'text' runlevels like many other distros use
[12:57] <ClassTeac> ohhh. so I have to type in single
[12:57] <keikoz> yes that's quite strange in fact
[12:57] <nikkia> ClassTeac: single user should be 0 i think
[12:57] <gyaresu> tiglionabbit, remember to remind of the 'cp /etc/thing/stuff.conf /etc/thing/stuff.conf.bak' ;)
[12:57] <nikkia> keikoz: its annoying, a text-only runlevel is very useful for problem resolution
[12:57] <keikoz> init 2 should be no X
[12:57] <keikoz> that's sure
[12:57] <keikoz> isnt it the same as debian ?
[12:57] <tiglionabbit> gyaresu: I think we're going with the dpkg-reconfigure thing instead
[12:58] <nikkia> keikoz: well, i don't care if its 2 or 5, no matter, it'd be a nice option to have, without having to manually rip apart a rc?.d
[12:58] <keikoz> yes...
[12:58] <tiglionabbit> to quote inittab:
[12:58] <tiglionabbit> # Runlevel 0 is halt.
[12:58] <tiglionabbit> # Runlevel 1 is single-user.
[12:58] <tiglionabbit> # Runlevels 2-5 are multi-user.
[12:58] <tiglionabbit> # Runlevel 6 is reboot.
[12:58] <keikoz> what about sensors detection on asus p5gdc ? i cant detect them
[12:58] <keikoz> i'm on hoary ...
[12:59] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: the unix world really needs symbolic runlevels, and it needs them badly :)
[12:59] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: having to remember 0=single on one system and 0=halt on others, isn't good
[01:00] <ClassTeac> tiglionabbit: I did the sudo dpkg-reconfigure... it's asking me to enter the video cards bus identifier... ahhh what the?
[01:00] <tiglionabbit> ClassTeac: I don't know.  Does it allow you to do it "automatically" or write something in there by itself?
[01:00] <tiglionabbit> generally the defaults are what you want for things you don't know
[01:02] <keikoz> ok, i will ask differently; the command for seing the temperature is acpi -t no ?
[01:03] <ClassTeac> Sorry to keep hounding... 128MB graphics card in kilobytes.. do they want 128000 or 131072?
[01:03] <keikoz> mmh
[01:03] <nikkia> 131072
[01:03] <keikoz> i guess
[01:03] <keikoz> yes
[01:03] <nikkia> memory is always specified in 1024 units :)
[01:04] <nikkia> well, i shouldn't say 'always' there's bound to be some idiot company out there selling 131MB flash cards or something
[01:04] <Jowi> hi everyone
[01:04] <Tomcat_> Where idiot company = all harddisk makers? :)
[01:05] <mumbles> yeh
[01:05] <Tomcat_> ide memory is 1000 units ;)
[01:05] <tiglionabbit> say, how do I command it to echo the system bell character?
[01:05] <VincentMX> how come the ubuntu calendar is only a blue version of the standard ubuntu desktop? somebody told me it is supposed to have hot linux babes like when you search linux+babe on google.
[01:06] <nikkia> tomcat, i personally don't like calling HDDs 'memory', yes, i know they're technically secondary memory, and you can use them as swap, but still
[01:06] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: command what?
[01:06] <Tomcat_> nikkia: Okay :)
[01:06] <tiglionabbit> nikkia: bash
[01:06] <tiglionabbit> who else would I command?
[01:06] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: if you mean bash,   echo <ctrl-v><ctrl-g>
[01:06] <tiglionabbit> neat
[01:07] <tiglionabbit> thank you
[01:07] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: you could probably also escape it with \07 or something
[01:07] <VincentMX> ?
[01:07] <nikkia> but its easy enough to remember that ctrl-v takes the next character as a literal
[01:08] <tiglionabbit> nope, it doesn't escape it like that...
[01:08] <tiglionabbit> just prints 97
[01:08] <tiglionabbit> *07
[01:09] <craz3d> Seveas; that was a no go. VFS caused a kernel panic
[01:09] <mumbles> sigh
[01:09] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: printf takes it ok tho
[01:09] <mumbles> i slpet till 10:00
[01:09] <mumbles> still feal tired
[01:09] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: so 'printf \\07' does what is expected
[01:10] <keikoz> what do it means when VFS causes a kernel panic ?
[01:10] <mumbles> .j #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:10] <craz3d> mumbles; i went to bed at 3pm, and woke up at 1. haha
[01:10] <keikoz> i had that yesterday
[01:10] <craz3d> 1am that is
[01:10] <mumbles> yeh... i cant fuck up my sleap cycles to much
[01:11] <craz3d> mumbles; i do perl scripting for my money, so it's really no biggy. :-D I just do whatever whenever i can.
[01:11] <mumbles> in 2 weeks time i will be getting up at 7:00am and going to bed at like 12:00am
[01:12] <mumbles> well
[01:12] <kuttibarani> hi
[01:12] <mumbles> i have to hav had breacfast and stuff and be ready to go by 8:15
[01:12] <mumbles> havent done that since school
[01:12] <kuttibarani> kuttibarani@yahoo.com is my chat id
[01:12] <tuzakey> anyone running ubuntu on amd64? I've got kernel-image problems :-(
[01:12] <kuttibarani> pm
[01:12] <craz3d> mumbles, i didn't do that IN school. haha
[01:12] <mumbles> hehe
[01:13] <craz3d> mumbles; my school schedual was; wake up at 1am, screw around.. go to school at 9:30 or so, come home, sleep and do it all again
[01:14] <mumbles> anyways
[01:14] <craz3d> mumbles; i graduated honor roll, so no one really cared about my schedual.
[01:14] <mumbles> im going to go and bug the comtpuer guy about my peratns comtpuer
[01:15] <mumbles> otherwise im goin to have to lend em mine for the weekend
[01:15] <craz3d> it was close though... 3.571 or something
[01:15] <mumbles> luckey im away
[01:15] <craz3d> meh, later
[01:15] <nikkia> craz3d: mine was 'sleep all day, when brought in to complain about my attendance, point out incriminating evidence against the dean of CS, repeat' :)
[01:15] <ClassTeac> OK SO.... after I sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg      DO i need to: cp /etc/thing/stuff.conf /etc/thing/stuff.conf.bak   ?
[01:15] <craz3d> nikkia; shit, i should have thought of that
[01:15] <mumbles> yeh
[01:15] <mumbles> i know the tuseraere spends most days in the pub now
[01:16] <mumbles> wish i knew that one when i was in school
[01:16] <nikkia> craz3d: in my 2nd year, i attended classes on *6* days out of the year :P
[01:17] <lapo> hi
[01:17] <mumbles-out> herm
[01:17] <mumbles-out> got to remember to shave at osme point today
[01:17] <craz3d> nikkia; lmfao. Dr. Gary was kewl though, as they got new computers, he'd let me have my way with the equipment, keep whatever i wanted, and then auction off the rest.
[01:17] <craz3d> nikkia; i would'nt want to ruin that.. well, back then anyway
[01:17] <umar> anyone here helping FC4?
[01:18] <craz3d> nikkia, my mother also worked with him in the past, along with the truancy officer, so i was just enjoying life.
[01:18] <tiglionabbit> ClassTeac: uh, no, you should probably do that before.  But I think dpkg-reconfigure backs it up for you
[01:18] <nikkia> craz3d: the reality is, i didn't get into trouble because i had a good relationship with the lecturers that mattered
[01:18] <Jowi> i need to re-install some dev-tools. is there a dummy-package, similar to ubuntu-desktop, but for the dev-tools?
[01:18] <nikkia> craz3d: one even gave me a revision sheet 2 days before the exam...
[01:18] <Amaranth> Jowi: build-essential
[01:18] <ClassTeac> Tiglionabbit: TY
[01:18] <nikkia> the revision sheet just happened to ask all of the same questions as the exam :P
[01:18] <Jowi> Amaranth, thank you!!!
[01:18] <Amaranth> Jowi: there is also gnome-devel if you're doing gnome things
[01:18] <Jowi> Amaranth, nope, just the basics. thanks again
[01:19] <tuzakey> can anyone tell me what this means: http://sonic.tuzakey.com/error.log
[01:20] <craz3d> anyone know what i need to apt-get to get 'make xconfig' work? It's some QT stuff or whatever.
[01:20] <tiglionabbit> wow, fun error
[01:20] <fauzana> hello
[01:20] <mindspin> craz3d: make menu works?
[01:21] <craz3d> mindspin; yeah, i've got make menuconfig, and make gconfig working. I just wanted the xconfig up and running
[01:21] <tuzakey> tiglionabbit: this system is......experimental..... athlon-64 3200+ booted off software raid (may be my problem)
[01:21] <craz3d> tuzakey; try aptitude install kernel.whatever--
[01:22] <tiglionabbit> okay, so say I'm about to RMA a hard drive.  What format do you think I should send it to them in?
[01:23] <craz3d> tiglionabbit; NTFS
[01:23] <tiglionabbit> why?
[01:23] <craz3d> tiglionabbit; easier file recovery, and they wont think anything of it, besides, then you can 0-write it so they can't see what you had on there.
[01:24] <craz3d> tiglionabbit; it's what i do, i have a lot of warez and whatnot, so i really dont want them seeing what i have/had
[01:24] <tiglionabbit> easier file recovery?
[01:24] <tiglionabbit> wait, so how do I do this?
[01:24] <craz3d> tiglionabbit; boot windows, and find a utility by 'Runtime software' called 'GetDataBack for NTFS'
[01:24] <Jowi> what would you make of this error for a ./configure: checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> craz3d: problem with the first step there is, windows wouldn't boot, so I already reformatted the master
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> this is the slave
[01:25] <scaroo> hi ppl ! as said inyhe topic, my Xunder breezy is broken (it cannot find keyboard modul), is there any fix i can do ?
[01:25] <craz3d> tiglionabbit; i would disconnect the slave, drop a windows cd in it, install windows on it... and then attempt the recovery
[01:25] <tuzakey> craz3d: aptitude gives the same error, something is clearly confused, because /dev/sdc3 is a linux raid autodetect partition
[01:25] <mindspin> Jowi started./configure with sudo?
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> Jowi: I would say that means you don't have enough hard disk space left...
[01:26] <tiglionabbit> Jowi: either that or make doesn't have rights to write to where it wants to
[01:26] <Jowi> mindspin, of course not
[01:26] <Garrison> tuzakey /dev/sdc3 ? serial-ata on a raid controller?
[01:26] <Jowi> 4.1 Gb should be enough space ;-)
[01:26] <tiglionabbit> Garrison: Dude, installing windows is way too much work for this kind of thing
[01:26] <Jowi> tiglionabbit, i will check permissions
[01:27] <Garrison> tiglionabbit; you might also try VMWare. Make a virtual machine, and give it full access to the master hdd. you should be able to do any sort of recovery.
[01:27] <mindspin> thats why i asked for sudo
[01:27] <tiglionabbit> I half want to format it to fat12 or Minix just to make them wonder what I was doing with it
[01:28] <Garrison> tiglionabbit; if you're just trying to RMA it, then format it, and erase the partition. then send it back
[01:28] <tuzakey> garrison: its an nforce4 board, it has 4 SATA channels, onboard fake-raid is off, I've got 3 160GB SATA-II drives on those 4 channels, linux is doing software raid by way of md, /boot is RAID1 / is RAID5 and /home is RAID5, swap is RAID5, GRUB is written to the MBR on each drive
[01:28] <Jowi> mindspin, i have ./configure'd this app before without that error. always ./configure && make as user and make install as root.
[01:29] <Garrison> tuzakey; i have my primary box booting off of a SATA onboard raid controller. It just detected, and installed right off the bat, it didn't have any problems with it. Still hastn't to be hones.t
[01:29] <jonatan> ok. i upgraded to breezy before i knew there was any X-problems. now a bunch of packages depends on xdpyinfo etc. any workaround?
[01:29] <Garrison> tuzakey; are you trying to disable RAID?
[01:29] <Garrison> tuzakey, or just make it boot and quit posing problems?
[01:30] <tuzakey> no, the onboard raid doesn't do raid 5, only 1 and 0, it installed, it boots, I'm typing from that machine right now, but it gives me problems installing that new kernel image
[01:31] <Garrison> tuzakey; are you attempting to go a whole new kernel version? .. I would just make it myself, if i were in you're position.
[01:31] <Garrison> tuzakey; www.kernel.org
[01:31] <tiglionabbit> ok, so is deleting it and putting another NTFS partition in its exact same place enough?  Or should I mangle it up by making it another format?
[01:32] <tuzakey> Garrison: thats what I'm about to do....things compile so fast on this box :-D (brand new)
[01:32] <Garrison> tiglionabbit, you're in linux, if it was ext3, formatting it to NTFS should be enough.
[01:32] <tiglionabbit> it was NTFS before
[01:32] <Garrison> meh, mkfs.ext3 /dev/whatever#
[01:32] <djp> hi all. where can i find ubuntu specific splash themes etc?
[01:33] <Garrison> tiglionabiit; i would just put a different filesystem on it. (after formatting the other ofcourse)
[01:33] <tiglionabbit> lol whoops, I forgot to umount it.  And guess what, it pretended to write to it but didn't change anything
[01:33] <Garrison> tuzakey; if you need any help with the kernel just let me know, i'll do whatever i can
[01:35] <scaroo> ls
[01:35] <scaroo> ^oops
[01:35] <Garrison> tuzakey; before you go building the kernel, try installing just the -k8 rather then the -k8-smp
[01:40] <tuzakey> garrison: yeah that was one of the first things I tried
[01:40] <tuzakey> its something with one of the post install scripts
[01:40] <tuzakey> i think
[01:41] <Garrison> tuzakey; when you build it, install any sort of raid/scsi support it offers that could in anyway be relivant to your setup
[01:42] <tuzakey> thanks for the pointers
[01:42] <Garrison> Duke Nukem Forever is taking too god-damn long.
[01:44] <tiglionabbit> oh my, these hard disks are extremely hot
[01:44] <tiglionabbit> ouch
[01:44] <tiglionabbit> is this normal?  I've never felt them so scorching
[01:44] <tiglionabbit> can't touch it...
[01:44] <mindspin> now you know why they say hot swap
[01:45] <keikoz> i fear my cpu is to hot too
[01:45] <tiglionabbit> lol
[01:45] <keikoz> lol
[01:45] <ed1t> people burning their CPU!!! :P
[01:45] <Hiruky> lol
[01:45] <tiglionabbit> I have an odd jewish vegan linux friend who calls every piece of new hardware "hot"
[01:46] <keikoz> i'd like seing the temperature, but i dont find the right way
[01:46] <keikoz> isnt it acpi -t ?
[01:46] <tiglionabbit> I once had a power surge that literally melted the chips off my hard disk
[01:47] <keikoz> hu
[01:47] <Tomcat_>        -k | --kelvin
[01:47] <Tomcat_>                  use kelvin as the temperature unit
[01:47] <tiglionabbit> so I RMA'd it, and they sent me this noisy defective one in its place!  =P bastards
[01:47] <Tomcat_> lol... kelvin, the temperature unit for REAL MEN!
[01:47] <ed1t> mine is 42 C
[01:48] <crazyhorse> hi, anyone can help me with s-ata?
[01:48] <ed1t> damn 315 K
[01:49] <konrad> Hi, woh to add device file in /dev if I use udev? I other words, installing lircd it makes devices files, but after reboot this file is repleced/deleted by udev. Secondly, I want to make symbolic link /dev/radio to /dev/radio0, but udev is removing this :/
[01:50] <Tomcat_> konrad: I'd suggest a boot script that re-creates the files after each boot, but I don't know if this is the best way.
[01:50] <konrad> Tomcat_: I thought about it, but this is very uncomfortable
[01:51] <konrad> maybe /dev/.udevdb/  ??
[01:51] <Tomcat_> I think /dev gets overwritten on each reboot, so it won't help.
[01:52] <crazyhorse> i'm using sata_sil but i have no /dev/sda, any help?
[01:52] <konrad> and making lirc device is difficult, I have very specific hardware (I can study DEB postinstall script, but...)
[01:52] <konrad> crazyhorse: so use hda :)
[01:52] <crazyhorse> konrad: hda is IDE
[01:53] <mindspin> isn't sda scsi?
[01:53] <keikoz> yes
[01:53] <nightswim> sata is als sd*
[01:53] <konrad> crazyhorse: sda is ISCIS probably..
[01:53] <mindspin> and what is sata?
[01:53] <keikoz> sata is read as scsi
[01:53] <konrad> */SCSI
[01:53] <mindspin> ic
[01:53] <konrad> oh :0
[01:53] <konrad> :)
[01:53] <crazyhorse> but i haven't any sd* device
[01:53] <keikoz> and he should find it on /dev/sd...
[01:54] <crazyhorse> modules are loaded and in proc i see the two s-ata partitions
[01:54] <keikoz> maybee some strange chip
[01:54] <konrad> or udev bug
[01:54] <keikoz> humm possible
[01:54] <keikoz> that wuold explain my own pbl xD
[01:54] <konrad> I have such problem with lirc
[01:54] <crazyhorse> /proc/scsi/sata_sil/0 and /proc/scsi/sata_sil/1 are there
[01:54] <keikoz> i have great problems with a ide-raid controller
[01:55] <Garrison> anyone play urbanempires?
[01:56] <keikoz> udev is used on each startup for detecting hardware and remaking /dev in ubuntu ?
[01:56] <Wimpie> Hi all, Got some problems with a SMC (prism based) pcmcia card and prism54.org seems down
[01:56] <lucaslira> how can i put sound in my ubuntu??
[01:56] <mophat> Hi ..
[01:56] <keikoz> wait until the come back :o)
[01:56] <lucaslira> I try all thing on the site.. and nothing
[01:57] <gyaresu> !sound
[01:57] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[01:57] <mophat> ok.. what's the dealio with 32 bit i/o on ide/sata devices. i have an intel and an amd64 here and i can't get it to go on the HD's
[01:57] <mophat> amd is SATA, amd is EIDE
[01:57] <lucaslira> tthanks
[01:57] <gyaresu> lucaslira, try 'cat /proc/asound/cards'
[01:57] <mophat> stuck at 16, i put in the \right modules both times
[01:58] <mophat> and it enabled 32 bit for the cd drives
[01:58] <mophat> which still only run at half speed
[01:58] <mophat> is this just hardware conflicts
[01:58] <Garrison> anyone know what 'vaporware' is?
[01:58] <nightswim> yes
[01:58] <mindspin> perl 6
[01:58] <mophat> yah, ubuntu
[01:58] <nightswim> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
[01:59] <gyaresu> mindspin, :) ha!
[01:59] <macintoshr> should redirect to microsoft
[01:59] <gyaresu> mophat, i don't understand your sata eide question.
[01:59] <tiglionabbit> http://www.science.uva.nl/~mes/jargon/w/ware.html
[01:59] <Garrison> nightswim; thanks
[02:00] <mophat> gyra:  HD's are only running in 16 bit i/o mode
[02:00] <mophat> gyraresu: SATA and or EIDE
[02:00] <mophat> And i have the proper modules loaded, i'm pretty sure
[02:00] <Garrison> mophat; hdparm -qd1u1c3 /dev/whatever.drive#
[02:00] <gyaresu> mophat, how do you tell. (i do know some stuff but that ones kooky)
[02:01] <Garrison> gyaresu; hdparm -i
[02:01] <mophat> well i hdparm /dev/
[02:01] <Garrison> gyaresu: sudo hdparm -i /dev/hda1 or whatever your drive is
[02:01] <Garrison> mophat; hdparm /dev/?
[02:02] <gyaresu> Garathor, yeah. reading up on that now. never needed it before.
[02:02] <gyaresu> Garrison, thanks.
[02:03] <mophat> Garrison: will that work for SATA too hopefullY?  .. And do I need to put that in a startup script?
[02:03] <mophat> Garrison: It seems to be working so far, much thanks
[02:03] <Garrison> mophat; it's what i use on my serial-ata drive
[02:03] <Garrison> mophat; i added it startup, yes.
[02:03] <mophat> garrison: wow. I was ready to go out and get an ide drive for my own computer, just for an OS drive.  but now i know that, you've saved me 120 bucks
[02:03] <mophat> thankyou very much
[02:04] <Garrison> mophat; no problem.
[02:04] <mophat> quick ignorant question if i could, which started script
[02:04] <mophat> startup*
[02:04] <mophat> wow
[02:04] <mophat> i am so happy now
[02:04] <Garrison> mophat; that part, i dont remember. haha
[02:04] <mophat> haha i was so down with my gear
[02:04] <mophat> :)
[02:04] <mophat> i was boo'ing sata
[02:04] <Garrison> mophat; here's the exact command; sudo hdparm -qd1u1c3 -d1 /dev/hda or /dev/sda .. etc
[02:04] <mophat> saying billy invented  it
[02:04] <gyaresu> Garrison, mophat : another happy customer :)
[02:05] <mophat> *sigh of relief ..
[02:05] <mophat> oh i'm definatly going to support ubuntu now :D
[02:05] <mophat> thanks again Garrison, gya
[02:05] <IT_Girl> guys after doing distupgrade  my debian doesnt boot anymore  but i can still boot from the floppy i made in the setup process
[02:05] <IT_Girl> how can i put my system to boot again from the hdd
[02:06] <mdk-tux24> hello
[02:06] <Garrison> mophat, gyaresu; set you're options in /etc/hdparm.conf
[02:06] <mindspin> edit /boot/grub/options.list
[02:06] <mindspin> wait
[02:06] <mdk-tux24> a linux mandrake newbie needs info and help
[02:06] <Garrison> mindspin; menu.lst  /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:06] <gyaresu> Garrison, 'sudo hdparm -qd1u1c3 -d1 /dev/sda' it needs all those 'options'?
[02:06] <kbrooks> mdk-tux24, ask
[02:06] <mindspin> yep
[02:06] <kbrooks> gyaresu, man hdparm
[02:07] <mindspin> menu-lst
[02:07] <kbrooks> ;)
[02:07] <mophat> i'm burning up, i'm really stoked*
[02:07] <mindspin> menu.lst
[02:07] <gyaresu> kbrooks, touche
[02:07] <gyaresu> hahaha
[02:07] <Garrison> gyaresu; without all that I get 14mb/s with it ~50mb/s
[02:07] <mophat> greatest feeling ever, booting windows, in a window on linux
[02:07] <IT_Girl> isnt there a way so i can copy a .conf file from the bootable floppy and to the system ?
[02:07] <kbrooks> gyaresu, use the manual pages ;)
[02:07] <mdk-tux24> i have direct rendering in no, how do i enable it ? i don't want to have to compile stuff
[02:07] <gyaresu> kbrooks, shoosh now ;)
[02:07] <mophat> one day I hope to run freebsd as my host, and have a ubuntu workstation (through vmware)
[02:07] <mophat> oh wow so happy
[02:07] <mophat> haha ok thx [=
[02:08] <mophat> *beams
[02:08] <kbrooks> gyaresu, dude. i'm just trying to be nice
[02:08] <mindspin> IT_Girl: what are the contents of your floppy?
[02:08] <mdk-tux24> i have an ati raqdeon 9600 xt
[02:08] <mophat> i've rtfm
[02:08] <mophat> :D
[02:08] <gyaresu> kbrooks, i'm just teasing.
[02:08] <mindspin> !grub
[02:08] <ubotu> it has been said that grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[02:08] <kbrooks> gyaresu, man hparm ;)
[02:08] <Raptoid> selamlar.
[02:08] <kbrooks> hdparm*
[02:09] <gyaresu> kbrooks, i don't get told to read the man much anymore. shows how late it is here :)
[02:09] <mdk-tux24> can someone help me?
[02:09] <mophat> cheers
[02:09] <kbrooks> gyaresu, just a idea
[02:09] <Garrison> mdk-tux24; yes?
[02:09] <kbrooks> mdk-tux24,
[02:09] <gyaresu> !radeon
[02:09] <ubotu> gyaresu: Bugger all, i dunno
[02:09] <gyaresu> !ati
[02:09] <ubotu> from memory, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:09] <kbrooks> mdk-tux24, do you have the video card drivers?
[02:10] <mdk-tux24> how do i enable direct rendering i want to use my 3d card for 3d games
[02:10] <gyaresu> !tell mdk-tux24 about ati
[02:10] <mindspin> !3d
[02:10] <mdk-tux24> yes i intalled them
[02:10] <ubotu> mindspin: Bugger all, i dunno
[02:10] <IT_Girl> root@deb:/home/goliat# ls /mnt/floppy/
[02:10] <IT_Girl> ldlinux.sys  linux.bin  message.txt  syslinux.cfg
[02:10] <IT_Girl> mindspin,
[02:11] <mindspin> so I don't think copying will help
[02:11] <prox2far> hello peeps
[02:11] <hussam> how can query the version of a library package from command line?
[02:11] <mindspin> read that1grub
[02:11] <mindspin> !grub
[02:11] <ubotu> rumour has it, grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[02:11] <mdk-tux24> how do i enable 3d acceleration , rendering?
[02:11] <mindspin> or try to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:12] <IT_Girl> mindspin, i got lilo
[02:12] <mindspin> ok
[02:12] <mindspin> so edit /etc/lilo.conf
[02:12] <mdk-tux24> is this ubuntu linux good for games?
[02:12] <mindspin> and run lilo after editing
[02:12] <mindspin> but so you are not on ubuntu are you?
[02:13] <aio> mdk-tux24 depends on your hardware and the games you want to play....
[02:13] <mdk-tux24> i'm using mdk
[02:13] <Determinist> mdk-tux24 certain games have been ported to linux , ubuntu is a linux distro , so yes , it's good for games as long as you have the drivers set up propler
[02:13] <mdk-tux24> if i install it is it by defaut enable 3d renedering?
[02:13] <Determinist> properly , even
[02:13] <kbrooks> mdk-tux24, yes it is good for games
[02:13] <IT_Girl> mindspin,  i installed i debian base and put the ubuntu sources in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:13] <aio> mdk-tux24 i've got unreal tournament running, albeit in a limited resolution...
[02:13] <kbrooks> mdk-tux24, nope
[02:14] <IT_Girl> then done distupgrade :|
[02:14] <mindspin> this is not agood idea
[02:14] <kbrooks> IT_Girl, #debian wont support that.
[02:14] <kbrooks> we wont.
[02:14] <hack_benjamin> how do i add something to my default runlevel?
[02:14] <mindspin> either stay on debian or switch to ubuntu
[02:14] <mdk-tux24> how do u enable it then?
[02:14] <Garrison> gyarseu; you still around?
[02:14] <kbrooks> IT_Girl, mixing is a BAD idea
[02:14] <mindspin> what is the purpose of the machine? desktop or server?
[02:14] <IT_Girl> ok I want the facilities that are on debian but i want kernel 2.4
[02:15] <mindspin> what is the purpose of the machine? desktop or server?
[02:15] <aio> mdk-tux24 you need to either install the new ati drivers from ati (preferable solution since they are much better than the alternative) or use the fglrx drivers included in hoary
[02:15] <IT_Girl> server
[02:15] <topyli> IT_Girl: just install a 2.4 kernel on debian
[02:15] <gyaresu> Garrison, yeah.
[02:15] <IT_Girl> almost server
[02:15] <mindspin> so stuck to debian
[02:15] <mdk-tux24> does anyone know how to enable the damn 3d acceleration?
[02:15] <mindspin> and install woody ;-)
[02:15] <gyaresu> Garrison, you gotta use my name. i'm on 3 computers here...
[02:15] <IT_Girl> isnt there a way to install kernel 2.4 on ubuntu
[02:15] <kbrooks> mindspin, DUDE
[02:15] <gyaresu> Garrison, I need the beeps.
[02:15] <aio> mdk-tux24 ummm...trying to tell you here
[02:15] <kbrooks> IT_Girl, um
[02:16] <ed1t> IT_Girl, why u wanna do that/
[02:16] <kbrooks> IT_Girl, not woody, sarge
[02:16] <aio> mdk-tux24 patience, paduan
[02:16] <topyli> IT_Girl: from vanilla sources, there are no ubuntu packages
[02:16] <Garrison> gyaresu; sudo gedit /etc/hdparm.conf    locate  command_line { put you're options in there, it'll give you an example, uncomment it too
[02:16] <kbrooks> ed1t, universe
[02:16] <mindspin> IT_Girl: install sarge, ists running cool
[02:16] <kbrooks> topyli, uni...oh
[02:16] <IT_Girl> well I got some hardware that are not supported on other kernels then 2.4
[02:16] <Garrison> gyaresu; it's on the far bottom
[02:16] <gyaresu> Garrison, thanks man i was just in the hdparm man.
[02:16] <kbrooks> mindspin, sarge > woody
[02:16] <mindspin> and install 2.4 kernel
[02:16] <topyli> kbrooks: yeah well, i'm at work
[02:16] <IT_Girl> how can i know if its sarge i installed ?
[02:16] <mindspin> kbrooks: i know
[02:17] <ed1t> sarge comes with 2.4
[02:17] <gyaresu> Garrison, (only problem is that it's late and i might leave it till tomorrow.)
[02:17] <mindspin> edit yor aptsources.list
[02:17] <ntech> Hello, i'm a french user. trying to setup a 5700L EPSON printer. Does anybody knows about this printer working under ubuntu ? Some sites say that it is, but I failed
[02:17] <gyaresu> Garrison, too many years of late night enseey weensey little changes that stuff everything up.
[02:17] <mdk-tux24> installing drivers does it necesarily means to compile kernel?
[02:17] <aio> mdk-tux24 no
[02:18] <gyaresu> ntech, linuxprinting.org ?
[02:18] <aio> mdk-tux24 you *can* just use synaptic to install the ones from ubuntu.  don't do that.  find the drivers you need from ati
[02:18] <IT_Girl> mindspin, edit yor aptsources.list is that message for me ?
[02:18] <mindspin> IT_Girl: should ;-)
[02:18] <aio> and once you get them installed, here is my xorg.conf file: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/586
[02:18] <mdk-tux24> what u think is easy ubuntu or mdk?
[02:18] <hack_benjamin> anyone know to edit whats int eh default runlevel?
[02:18] <gyaresu> !sources
[02:18] <mindspin> but was atypo
[02:18] <ubotu> methinks sources is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersAddingRepositories
[02:18] <kbrooks> mdk-tux24, ubuntu
[02:19] <IT_Girl> ok what link  should i add  so i can be able to install 2.4 kernel
[02:19] <aio> mdk-tux24 you'll want to backup your xorg.conf file first and adjust it to reflect the "fglrx" changes.  you probably won't be able to use mine unmodified
[02:19] <mindspin> IT_Girl: give aus a line from your /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:19] <julz> can ubuntu install to an external usb hdd?
[02:19] <Garrison> gyaresu; my hdparm command_line thing looks like this; www.xironet.org/pub/hdparm.conf.txt
[02:19] <aio> julz yes
[02:19] <leo> where is the list of the packages kept that ubuntu will install extra  during it's post-install ( base-config -> Select and install packages)? Is it in the base-config package?
[02:19] <aio> julz actually, just plug ig in
[02:19] <julz> thanks. can most distros do this
[02:19] <gyaresu> Garrison, thanks.
[02:19] <aio> julz i've had a problem with writing to one formatted in ntfs, though.
[02:19] <kbrooks> leo, No.
[02:20] <mdk-tux24> wait brb i'm going to go to gaim
[02:20] <aio> julz dunno.  never tried with other distros.
[02:20] <kbrooks> leo: why do you want this?
[02:20] <julz> well mine wouldbe brand new
[02:20] <IT_Girl> u mean a line from the fully ubuntu machines apt ?"mindspin IT_Girl: give aus a line from your /etc/apt/sources.list"
[02:20] <aio> julz then it probably won't pick it up right away.
[02:20] <leo> kbrooks: we are modifying this install cd for a project
[02:20] <leo> and i want to strip it down
[02:20] <julz> im gunna put 3 distros on it. that would be ok, right?
[02:21] <aio> julz doh!
[02:21] <kbrooks> leo: Well, there is no 'list'.
[02:21] <julz> waah?
[02:21] <mindspin> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sarge main
[02:21] <mindspin> deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sarge main
[02:21] <aio> julz just realized what you're asking...*install* to usb hdd.
[02:21] <mdk-frodo> hi
[02:21] <aio> julz you should be able to do this.....
[02:21] <mdk-frodo> ok what u where saying
[02:21] <leo> kbrooks because when i follow the default steps it starts installing python24-* and stuff
[02:22] <aio> julz i haven't tried *that*, but you should be able to....dunno if the installer supports it, but i'm sure there's some tricks....
[02:22] <aio> mdk-frodo what are you asking?
[02:22] <kbrooks> leo: use expert from the install cd. boot: expert <enter>
[02:22] <kbrooks> leo, and start over
[02:22] <mindspin> its too frecking hot here :-(
[02:22] <gyaresu> Garrison, nice one. exactly what i didn't even know i needed :)
[02:23] <julz> oh :/ . i may have to get someone who knows what they're doing to install for me. (im not too game cos i just wiped my families hdd, they dont know yet 8D
[02:23] <IT_Girl> i got 2 ac's in my server room :)
[02:23] <Garrison> gyaresu; just glad i could help.  Building karma points.. haha
[02:23] <Garrison> IT_Girl; i have 1x 32000BTU AC with 5 machines in it.  2 machines in my bedroom, and 1 more in the living room.
[02:23] <leo> kbrooks: okay , and to do this permanent i just have to adjust the isolinux.cfg ?
[02:23] <aio> julz ok - check out this forum: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-5151.html
[02:24] <mdk-frodo> ok i want to enable 3d rendering on x11
[02:24] <Garrison> one room with the AC and 5 machines** sorry
[02:24] <julz> thanks aio, im reading now... :)
[02:24] <kbrooks> leo: um. dont use expert.
[02:24] <IT_Girl> W: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org sarge Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D
[02:24] <kbrooks> leo: dont put it in the isolinux.cfg
[02:24] <aio> mdk-frodo ok - go and find the ati drivers from ati.com
[02:24] <aio> mdk-frodo and install them.
[02:25] <mdk-frodo> how u enable it without compiling?
[02:25] <kbrooks> leo: YOU use expert at the isolinux.cfg
[02:25] <gyaresu> IT_Girl, what are you doing marrilat repositories?
[02:25] <apokryphos> mdk-frodo: did the repository ATI drivers not work for you?
[02:25] <kbrooks> mdk-frodo, you dont have to compile anything
[02:25] <mdk-frodo> i downloaded them last night i'm on k56 5 hours took me
[02:25] <kbrooks> gyaresu, marrilat == different url
[02:25] <IT_Girl> well just added this link so i can add kernel 2.4 on ubuntu
[02:25] <aio> mdk-frodo actually, check out this forum: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495
[02:25] <apokryphos> !ati
[02:25] <ubotu> hmm... ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:25] <mindspin> IT_Girl: I would suggest a new debian sarge installation from the start
[02:26] <mindspin> that would be the easyest way
[02:26] <kbrooks> IT_Girl, unfortuntely, we do not support hybrids
[02:26] <leo> it's just the DEBCONF_PRIORITY that is different?
[02:26] <IT_Girl> mindspin, its just the ubuntu addiction
[02:26] <Garrison> mdk-frodo; also, in /etc/X11/xorg.conf   comment out the last part about Section "DRI" (all of it) and above under Section "Module" comment out load "dri" and make sure you have load "glx" in there.
[02:26] <kbrooks> IT_Girl, so?
[02:26] <aio> kbrooks i'm a halfling, so do i not get support?
[02:26] <IT_Girl> kbrooks, thnx
[02:26] <aio> :-)
[02:26] <kbrooks> aio: uh
[02:26] <kbrooks> aio: you know what hybrids are?
[02:27] <mdk-frodo> ok wait i go and try
[02:27] <kbrooks> aio: X mixed into Y
[02:27] <IT_Girl> mindspin I think ill just install it on a debian then thnx anyway :)
[02:27] <ccc> anyone have experience with logitech cordless keyboards? can you configure ubuntu to use the scrollwheel to the left? ( http://www.cadmandata.fi/logitech/logitech_cordless_desktop_optical.jpg )
[02:27] <mindspin> that will give you aclean system
[02:27] <kbrooks> if X is debian and Y is Ubuntu....
[02:27] <aio> kbrooks i wasn't totally following the convo, but yeah, it was a joke.  i'm assuming you're talking about starting with sarge, the upgrading the sources.list to hoary (or breezy)
[02:27] <Garrison> ccc; google it. put 'ubuntu + keyboard.model.number'
[02:27] <mindspin> mixing debian and ubuntu and vice versa is not agood idea at all
[02:27] <kbrooks> aio: right
[02:28] <IT_Girl> and ill keep it as a pure server environment
[02:28] <mindspin> yep
[02:28] <kbrooks> mindspin, doing so makes a hybrid
[02:28] <mindspin> I know
[02:28] <kbrooks> a hybrid that's neither Y or X
[02:28] <mumbles> herm
[02:28] <mumbles> to tired
[02:28] <ccc> Garrison: mm i did, couldn't get any clear answers so i thought i'd go for live experience advice here :)
[02:28] <mumbles> to tired? to hot
[02:29] <mindspin> so i suggested installing sarge and staying away from ubuntu for server purposes
[02:29] <IT_Girl> so should i install debian sarg then
[02:29] <julz> aio: thanks, it seems possible but i reckon ill get someone else to do it for me .:)
[02:29] <mindspin> yep
[02:29] <kbrooks> IT_Girl, yes
[02:29] <IT_Girl> it come with a 2.4 kernel
[02:29] <gyaresu> ccc, have you got any of the multimedia buttons to work?
[02:29] <kbrooks> julz, um
[02:29] <IT_Girl> thnx alot guys
[02:29] <kbrooks> WAIT
[02:29] <mindspin> yw
[02:29] <aio> julz why not do it yourself...you might learn something fun.
[02:29] <kbrooks> julz, reboot completely
[02:29] <kbrooks> julz, reboot completely
[02:29] <IT_Girl> kbrooks,  mindspin , any idea about penta support on kernel 2.6 Ubuntu
[02:29] <julz> kbrooks: waah?
[02:30] <kbrooks> julz, you did not wipe any hard drives yet
[02:30] <ccc> gyaresu: no, not yet
[02:30] <mindspin> what is penta?
[02:30] <aio> julz and if you totally bork your system, you can just wipe the external drive....
[02:30] <mdk-frodo> how u comment like this ; or this // ?
[02:30] <gyaresu> mindspin, got an isp admin who disagrees but anyhow...
[02:30] <IT_Girl> pent@net DVB Carf
[02:30] <julz> yes i did. my other computer, the families one
[02:30] <IT_Girl> *card
[02:30] <aio> mdk-frodo comment what?
[02:30] <kbrooks> julz, you sure?
[02:30] <mindspin> gyaresu: ???
[02:30] <mdk-frodo> xorg.conf dri
[02:30] <ccc> gyaresu: using another logitech keyboard now though, but i was thinking of buying one which has that scrollwheel
[02:30] <gyaresu> ccc, there is a keybind prog. just can't remember...
[02:31] <kbrooks> meh
[02:31] <julz> right now im on the crappy old one and the good one is at the shop
[02:31] <aio> mdk-frodo #
[02:31] <kbrooks> no screens found
[02:31] <mdk-frodo> ok
[02:31] <gyaresu> ccc, i have the comfort cordless deluxe and used to have the buttons mapped under debian. (KDE prog i think)
[02:32] <slept> ccc, hotkeys is nice
[02:32] <mdk-frodo> cu i have to restart x11
[02:32] <ccc> gyaresu: ah ok... i'll look into that. thanks. let me know if you remember the name.
[02:32] <gyaresu> mindspin, the ubuntu as server opinion...
[02:32] <mdk-frodo> thx
[02:32] <gyaresu> ccc, looking :)
[02:33] <kbrooks> gyaresu, ubuntu (without GUI) can be used as a server
[02:33] <kbrooks> gyaresu, just: boot: custom-expert <enter>
[02:33] <kbrooks> iirc
[02:33] <gyaresu> kbrooks, yes i'm actually quite adept. thanks.
[02:33] <kbrooks> gyaresu, check the CD help.
[02:33] <kbrooks> :P
[02:34] <kbrooks> ok
[02:34] <slept> ccc, with xev you can get the keycodes and modify one of the existing keyboard configs / choose what the keys should do , but hotkeys only works with x
[02:35] <gyaresu> kbrooks, i was saying that a friend is running their ISP on ubuntu servers.
[02:35] <kbrooks> now I have to restart x11.
[02:35] <mdk-frodo> yes
[02:35] <mdk-frodo> nothing
[02:35] <gyaresu> kbrooks, ha! actually i have one under the desk. (file server, gets ignored)
[02:35] <mdk-frodo> [frodo@MATRIX ~] $ glxinfo | grep rendering
[02:35] <IT_Girl> guys im on a ubuntu i installed samba i made a folder with the following stanza in smb.conf [omega]  path = /home/web/omega available = yes browseable = yes public = yes writable = yes
[02:35] <mdk-frodo> Loading required GL library /usr/lib/libGL.so.1
[02:35] <mdk-frodo> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:35] <mdk-frodo> direct rendering: No
[02:35] <mdk-frodo> [frodo@MATRIX ~] $
[02:35] <mindspin> gyaresu: i prefer stability for servers, so I stay on sarge for that purpose
[02:35] <IT_Girl> but i still cant access it from a windows machine thats on another domain
[02:36] <slept> IT_Girl, did you add a user and is the workgroup= right?
[02:36] <mindspin> IT_Girl: what do you mean? http, ssh, ftp smb?
[02:36] <gyaresu> mindspin, yeah. intas.net.au are running 6 ubuntu's now. from sarge.
[02:36] <aio> mdk-frodo what do you get if you run this: find /lib/modules/<current kernel version>/ -name "*fglrx*" -print
[02:36] <gyaresu> !samba
[02:36] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[02:37] <aio> mdk-frodo of cource change it to your kernel version....
[02:37] <IT_Girl> I done add user omega |chown omega /home/web/omega
[02:37] <mindspin> good for them, I got my own reasons for staying with sarge
[02:37] <IT_Girl> smb
[02:37] <wrtpeeps> where can i download themes for ubuntu
[02:37] <aio> wrtpeeps gnome themes?
[02:37] <slept> IT_Girl, smbpasswd -a omega
[02:37] <kbrooks> works
[02:37] <mdk-frodo> [frodo@MATRIX ~] $ find /lib/modules/<current kernel version>/ -name "*fglrx*" -print
[02:37] <wrtpeeps> aio:  xfce
[02:37] <mdk-frodo> bash: current: No such file or directory
[02:37] <mdk-frodo> [frodo@MATRIX ~] $
[02:37] <wrtpeeps> i get them from the xfce site?
[02:37] <kbrooks> mdk-frodo, $(uname -r)
[02:38] <gyaresu> wrtpeeps, gnome-themes
[02:38] <ccc> slept: hey, yeah, this looks good
[02:38] <mdk-frodo> nothing
[02:38] <kbrooks> mdk-frodo, find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name "*fglrx*" -print
[02:38] <kbrooks> mdk-frodo, find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name "*fglrx*" -print
[02:39] <aio> kbrooks thx - i was just about to paste that for h(im|er)
[02:39] <mdk-frodo> [frodo@MATRIX ~] $  find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name "*fglrx*" -print
[02:39] <mdk-frodo> [frodo@MATRIX ~] $
[02:39] <mdk-frodo> what it does?
[02:39] <aio> mdk-frodo if that doesn't show anything, then the ati drivers didn't get installed right.  you may need to reboot
[02:39] <Nermal> well. its not there is it
[02:39] <Nermal> don't need to reboot
[02:39] <aio> mdk - oh - that command formats your hard drive
[02:39] <asad2005> how to tell grub boot loader to search for all OS in all partition and set them up
[02:40] <kbrooks> aio: HEY
[02:40] <kbrooks> aio: HEY
[02:40] <kbrooks> aio: be nice
[02:40] <aio> kbrooks :-)
[02:40] <Nermal> when n00bs help n00bs it's like cousins reproducing
[02:40] <kbrooks> mdk-frodo, no it doesnt
[02:40] <Nermal> reduces the useful gene pool
[02:40] <Nermal> :)
[02:40] <gyaresu> !grub
[02:40] <askinif> help with upgrading firefox in ubuntu.
[02:40] <ubotu> I heard grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[02:40] <aio> mdk-frodo - :-) actually it just checks your kernel modules directory for the installed fglrx driver
[02:40] <Nermal> askinif, use the backports
[02:40] <askinif> ?
[02:40] <Nermal> !bakborts
[02:40] <ubotu> Nermal: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:40] <Nermal> !backports
[02:40] <ubotu> methinks backports is at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[02:41] <mdk-frodo> what can i do?
[02:41] <aio> Nermal (s)he may not have to reboot, but it wouldn't hurt....
[02:41] <Nermal> mdk-frodo, gee.. install them ?
[02:41] <Nermal> aio, it's pointless
[02:41] <Nermal> don't keep them in the windows "might help if I reboot" mindset
[02:41] <aio> mdk-frodo i don't remember how the installer goes..
[02:41] <mdk-frodo> this is just 1 reson to go to windows and i promised mysefl no going back to it
[02:41] <Nermal> !ati
[02:41] <ubotu> ati is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:41] <leo> kbrooks is there another way to make the changes/choices in the installer permanent as rebuilding the packages?
[02:41] <Nermal> mdk-frodo, there you go
[02:41] <kbrooks> mdk-frodo, no
[02:41] <kbrooks> mdk-frodo, no
[02:41] <kbrooks> mdk-frodo, no
[02:41] <Nermal> kbrooks, stfu
[02:41] <kbrooks> mdk-frodo, listen
[02:41] <gyaresu> Nermal, too much coffee?
[02:42] <Nermal>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:42] <aio> Nermal ok - i told him to reboot because *I* have had a comflict between the xorg ati driver and the ati fglrx driver and had to reboot.
[02:42] <kbrooks> Nermal, grrr
[02:42] <Determinist> is there a way to make a boot CD that'll boot into linux that's on hdb even if hda's mbr doesnt have a linux loader?
[02:42] <Nermal> gyaresu, none today
[02:42] <Amaranth> What's the problem?
[02:42] <kbrooks> Nermal, BE NICE to the newbie helper.
[02:42] <Nermal> har
[02:42] <Nermal> no
[02:42] <gyaresu> Nermal, might wanna have some. bit edgy there.
[02:42] <Nermal> n00bs need to learn to ask questions properly
[02:42] <kbrooks> Nermal, have some tea
[02:42] <Amaranth> Determinist: Boot the CD in rescue mode and install grub on hda's mbr
[02:42] <askinif> ty
[02:42] <Nermal> mm.. tea
[02:42] <IT_Girl> thnx alot slept
[02:42] <bigfoot1> Hiruky, is there a way to change how check-boxes in dialog windows are displayed? In my case, it's got the "pushed" look if selected. I'd rather see a check mark on the box, because it's hard to see the difference between a selected pushed-in box (dark gray box) and an unselected box (light gray box). Thank you!
[02:42] <IT_Girl> it worked :)
[02:42] <kbrooks> Nermal, drink it and get on with your life
[02:42] <kbrooks> OK?
[02:43] <bigfoot1> sorry. Hello.---> not hiruky.
[02:43] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: That's a theme issue.
[02:43] <kbrooks> Nermal, please.
[02:43] <Nermal> bigfoot1, sure.. change your gtk theme to something decent
[02:43] <Nermal> like clearlooks
[02:43] <Nermal> or industrial
[02:43] <Amaranth> that reminds me, clearlooks is now the default GNOME theme
[02:43] <Amaranth> for 2.12
[02:43] <Nermal> hurrah :)
[02:43] <Determinist> Amaranth that's not what i asked mate. i have winxp on hda and hoary on hdb. i dont want grub on hda's mbr , i just want to create a CD that'll boot into hdb ignoring hda
[02:43] <Jowi> getting errors while make'ing. Checking for g++... no (same for c++) but both are installed. any ideas?
[02:43] <bigfoot1> will try clearlooks. I used to have the default ubuntu theme, but i heard it makes the pc run slower. is this true?
[02:43] <Amaranth> oh, and smeg may or may not ship with breezy (on the CD)
[02:43] <ccc> slept: thanks, it did the job for me. great stuff. and gyaresu, hotkeys may be the program you meant.
[02:43] <kbrooks> whats smeg?
[02:44] <Nermal> bigfoot1, not by much if any
[02:44] <Amaranth> Determinist: Why don't you want grub installed? It can boot to windows and linux.
[02:44] <Amaranth> kbrooks: my menu editor
[02:44] <Amaranth> !smeg
[02:44] <ubotu> it has been said that smeg is a Gnome menu editor. Get it at at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[02:44] <gyaresu> ccc nice. hope it works for you :)
[02:44] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, isn't the default gnome theme in ubuntu called "ubuntu theme"?
[02:44] <Nermal> no
[02:44] <Nermal> "human"
[02:44] <kbrooks> YOUR menu editor?
[02:44] <Amaranth> Determinist: I don't know how to do what you want.
[02:44] <Amaranth> kbrooks: Yes, I wrote it.
[02:44] <Determinist> Amaranth winxp keeps corrupting grub turning the system unbootable. tried every possible way to do this but no go , winxp keeps fucking grub up so i figured i'll just boot into linux from a CD and get it over with
[02:44] <kbrooks> Amaranth, whoa. didnt know
[02:45] <aio> Amaranth you got a link to smeg?
[02:45] <Nermal> Determinist, remove windows xp ?
[02:45] <Amaranth> !smeg
[02:45] <ubotu> smeg is probably a Gnome menu editor. Get it at at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[02:45] <aio> Amaranth url i mean?
[02:45] <gyaresu> Determinist, language.
[02:45] <Nermal> aio, learn to scroll
[02:45] <kbrooks> aio: ^^^
[02:45] <Determinist> Nermal i cant.
[02:45] <Amaranth> aio: It's also in breezy and in backports.
[02:45] <aio> Nermal ummm....you're a jerk
[02:45] <Nermal> wonder why it's not a standard gnome thing
[02:45] <Gerrath> smeg is also on the backports repository.
[02:45] <kbrooks> aio: be nice
[02:46] <kbrooks> Nermal, pm?
[02:46] <Nermal> aio, bless
[02:46] <aio> kbrooks I am being nice.
[02:46] <gyaresu> :)
[02:46] <Nermal> kbrooks, hmm ?
[02:46] <bigfoot1> okay, i've switched to Clearlooks theme from Simple. Why would anyone want to use simple, since the difference between selected and unselected checkboxes is hard to see?
[02:46] <kbrooks> aio: 'jerk' doesnt exactly amount to being nice.
[02:46] <gyaresu> Amaranth, sick em'
[02:46] <Amaranth> I'm doing nothing.
[02:47] <Nermal> bigfoot1, dunno
[02:47] <bigfoot1> has anybody got iax running on their ubuntu?
[02:47] <Nermal> more lightweight ?
[02:47] <Amaranth> Just making people realize they don't have free reign to not follow the CoC. :)
[02:47] <bigfoot1> iax-- as in voip stuff.
[02:47] <gyaresu> that'll do fine.
[02:47] <gyaresu> !coc
[02:47] <ubotu> coc is probably the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/
[02:47] <Nermal> does the code of conduct have "ask questions properly with useful information contained within the problem description" in it ?
[02:48] <Nermal> or is it just a big bunch of red tape designed to piss off people
[02:48] <gyaresu> Nermal, #troll might be what you're after.
[02:48] <Nermal> gyaresu, now now
[02:48] <gyaresu> Nermal, the idea.
[02:48] <Amaranth> Nermal: If you follow "be nice" you pretty much cover it all.
[02:48] <wezzer> hello
[02:48] <bigfoot1> anybody here have japanese input capability on their ubuntu?
[02:48] <wezzer> this is urgent
[02:48] <wezzer> I'm configuring a new printer
[02:48] <leo> kbrooks looks like seeds are the solution to my problem
[02:49] <wezzer> i went to http://localhost:631 with firefox
[02:49] <Nermal> Amaranth, even if someone blatently doesn't know their arse from their elbow and can't be bothered to form a question let alone wait for an answer ?
[02:49] <slept> ccc
[02:49] <wezzer> now the cups wants my root accoun and password - but there are no such things in ubuntu, right?
[02:49] <Amaranth> Nermal: You explain or prod them for more info.
[02:49] <wezzer> how can I add a new printer?
[02:49] <slept> sorry
[02:49] <kbrooks> Nermal, OK then.
[02:49] <kbrooks> Nermal, You should respect newbies.
[02:49] <Nermal> Amaranth, so I have to spend all my energy and patience getting the question out of them before I even think about spoon feeding them an answer?
[02:50] <Nermal> I respect intelligent people
[02:50] <Amaranth> Nermal: Then ignore them.
[02:50] <Nermal> people who can read manuals, scroll, etc
[02:50] <tanki> Nermal, weren't you here yesterday saying the same thing, how your time is too valuable to try to "lead the blind" ?
[02:50] <tanki> why are you back?
[02:50] <Nermal> tanki, :)
[02:50] <gyaresu> wezzer, i'm looking for a link for you...
[02:50] <Nermal> because I know the answers to most of the questions asked in this n00b infested channel
[02:50] <kbrooks> !ati
[02:50] <ubotu> from memory, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:50] <Nermal> if people would only have a little intuition
[02:50] <kbrooks> mdk-frodo, ^^^^^
[02:51] <Nermal> kbrooks, said that twice already.. see what I mean ?
[02:51] <gyaresu> Nermal, please stop trolling.
[02:51] <gyaresu> Nermal, your ridiculous.
[02:51] <Nermal> gyaresu, :)
[02:51] <kbrooks> mdk-frodo, please use the howto.
[02:51] <wezzer> gyaresu: ok
[02:51] <Nermal> I simply would rather dedicate my energies to answering questions rather than bleeding the question out of people
[02:51] <tanki> Nermal, I think the channel will survive if you choose not to contribute. If you do want to contribute, then check your ego at the door.
[02:52] <mdk-frodo> i c
[02:52] <Nermal> tanki, well.. I dunno.
[02:52] <Nermal> on a good day I can help lots of people :)
[02:52] <luis> hi...i need some help....i'd like to install sagcad but when i do ./configure apears "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[02:52] <luis> "....how can i solve this plz?
[02:52] <Nermal> lets have a go shall we
[02:52] <Jowi> hey guys trying to compile things. get error: "collect2: ld returned 1 exit status". I heard that collect2 is a standard command in gcc. anyone heard about it?
[02:52] <gyaresu> wezzer, are you trying to share the printer on the network or just locally.
[02:52] <Nermal> ignoring the textspeak for a minute
[02:52] <Amaranth> Nermal: "I am what I am because of who we all are."
[02:52] <Nermal> luis, sudo apt-get install gcc
[02:53] <wezzer> gyaresu: just locally
[02:53] <slept> how can I export (soft-)links via nfs ?
[02:53] <Garrison> anyone know how to get QT installed? I need make xconfig for kernel-building
[02:53] <luis> thanks Nermal
[02:53] <Amaranth> luis: Install the build-essential package.
[02:53] <kbrooks> mdk-frodo, Also.
[02:53] <reka> luis: install build-essential
[02:53] <gyaresu> luis, Nermal build-essential
[02:53] <Nermal> gyaresu, hush
[02:53] <gyaresu> reka, snap
[02:53] <kbrooks> Nermal, dude
[02:53] <gyaresu> Nermal, I thought you were going to help?
[02:54] <Nermal> I did
[02:54] <kbrooks> gyaresu, ignore Nermal
[02:54] <Nermal> I told him how to install a c compiler
[02:54] <gyaresu> kick Nermal.
[02:54] <Nermal> which was his question :)
[02:54] <Garrison> anyone know how to get QT installed? I need make xconfig for kernel-building
[02:54] <kbrooks> Nermal, you did not help in an accurate way
[02:54] <Amaranth> Qt
[02:54] <Nermal> he didn't say "how do I set up a build environment"
[02:54] <kbrooks> Nermal, so?
[02:54] <egg|coffeebreak> Qt is a pan
[02:54] <Amaranth> Garrison: You probably need libqt3c102-mt-dev
[02:54] <Nermal> bles
[02:54] <gyaresu> PLEASE GET RID OF THE TROLL
[02:54] <egg|coffeebreak> s/pan/pain/g
[02:54] <leo> Garrison: use make menuconfig
[02:54] <Nermal> only been here 7 years
[02:54] <Amaranth> Drop it please.
[02:54] <Nermal> :)
[02:54] <kbrooks> Nermal, the COC doesnt say that you have to ask questions CLEARLY.
[02:54] <Amaranth> Or discuss it in a private message.
[02:55] <Nermal> kbrooks, then it should :)
[02:55] <luis> Amaranth how can i isntal the build.essential package?
[02:55] <Nermal> har!
[02:55] <Jowi> anyone know about "collect2" missing from build-essentials?
[02:55] <kbrooks> Nermal, No, and it should not.
[02:55] <Amaranth> luis: Search for it in synaptic and install it or run 'sudo apt-get install build-essential' from a terminal.
[02:55] <Jowi> luis: apt-get install build-essentials
[02:55] <reka> Jowi: my guess is that something is up with the make file/the way you're compiling.  what *are* you trying to compile?
[02:55] <kbrooks> "conduct" is not asking questions clearly.
[02:55] <Jowi> reka, e17
[02:55] <gyaresu> wezzer, is your printer one of these? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters
[02:55] <luis> ok..thanks all
[02:55] <kbrooks> Nermal, asking questions clearly is out of the scope of the COC.
[02:56] <Jowi> the e17 guys say that collect2 is a standard command in gcc. it is not appearing in ubuntu
[02:56] <kbrooks> Nermal, now please.....
[02:56] <Nermal> kbrooks, hush
[02:56] <reka> Jowi: er, have you installed build-essential?
[02:56] <Jowi> reka, yes.
[02:56] <gyaresu> ubotu printers is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters
[02:56] <ubotu> okay, gyaresu
[02:56] <kbrooks> I tried to PM you but you said no. Why, Nermal?
[02:56] <Nermal> because it's rude..
[02:56] <Jowi> reka, but all sources that need collect2 fails of course
[02:56] <Nermal> is that in the CoC too ?
[02:57] <mdk-frodo> kbrooks: but is for ubuntu
[02:57] <mdk-frodo> i c is not same as mdk
[02:57] <Nermal> and you remind me of "kelly brooks" who annoys the living fuck out of me
[02:57] <kbrooks> grrr.
[02:57] <Amaranth> Ok, it's over now.
[02:57] <kbrooks> i'm SO HAPPY he left
[02:57] <gyaresu> good.
[02:57] <kbrooks> Amaranth, honestly, i dont want to talk to trolls in this channel.
[02:58] <Amaranth> 24 hours for repeated CoC violation
[02:58] <kbrooks> i would rather do it in a PM
[02:58] <kbrooks> but since he said no.....
[02:58] <egg|coffeebreak> CoC ?
[02:58] <Amaranth> Code of Conduct
[02:58] <gyaresu> !coc
[02:58] <kbrooks> code of conduct
[02:58] <ubotu> well, coc is the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/
[02:58] <tanki> Can adware/spyware infect linux web browsers?
[02:58] <kbrooks> no
[02:58] <kbrooks> tanki, no
[02:58] <nightswim> why not
[02:58] <gyaresu> tanki, not yet.
[02:58] <aio> whoa!  don't say *no*
[02:58] <snowblink> hallo - ruby package on hoary. Is it likely to get updated?
[02:59] <kbrooks> nightswim, executable formats
[02:59] <reka> Jowi: could you post the entire error to a pastebin please.
[02:59] <Jowi> reka, sure can. hang on
[02:59] <egg|coffeebreak> aio, OO
[02:59] <kbrooks> snowblink, no 1.8.3
[02:59] <kbrooks> snowblink, ask #ruby-lang why
[02:59] <aio> it's very unlikely and i don't think i've heard of it yet, but i have heard that spyware/malware people are working on taking advantage of firefox's market share.
[02:59] <kbrooks> aio: dude
[02:59] <wezzer> gyaresu: nope
[02:59] <nikkia> aio, there are already a couple out there
[02:59] <wezzer> hp laserjet 1022
[03:00] <snowblink> kbrooks, the newer version of rails requires 2004-12-25 ruby
[03:00] <nikkia> aio, i've seen websites try to install ff extensions...
[03:00] <gyaresu> wezzer, what model is it
[03:00] <kbrooks> aio: *on linux* is impossible
[03:00] <snowblink> kbrooks, 1.8.2
[03:00] <nikkia> kbrooks, no its not
[03:00] <aio> kbrooks impossible?
[03:00] <kbrooks> snowblink, ubuntu has it
[03:00] <kbrooks> yes
[03:00] <kbrooks> impossible
[03:00] <aio> kbrooks how is it impossible?
[03:00] <gyaresu> wezzer, TAB complete peoples names when addressing them.
[03:00] <kbrooks> because of different executable formats
[03:00] <gyaresu> wezzer, just notifies them of a message.
[03:00] <Jowi> reka, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/587
[03:00] <kbrooks> and because linux is multiuser
[03:00] <wezzer> ok
[03:01] <nikkia> kbrooks: spyware ff extensions are written in javascript
[03:01] <aio> kbrooks nikki says (s)he has seen some
[03:01] <wezzer> gyaresu: it is hp laserjet 1022
[03:01] <reka> Jowi: cheers
[03:01] <aio> or was that just for firefox?
[03:01] <mumbles> woo
[03:01] <egg|coffeebreak> nikkia, so?
[03:01] <kbrooks> nikkia, THEN there is a extension
[03:01] <gyaresu> wezzer, have you looked at linuxprinting.org?
[03:01] <mumbles> rememembered my password for my xp install
[03:01] <nikkia> egg|coffeebreak: so they'll work just as equally on linux
[03:01] <snowblink> kbrooks, ruby 1.8.2 (2004-12-23) [i386-linux] 
[03:01] <aio> kbrooks so, someone couldn't create a linux specific one?
[03:01] <gyaresu> wezzer, that's the place to check also.
[03:01] <kbrooks> aio: No.
[03:01] <nikkia> egg|coffeebreak: the 'linux uses a different executable format' doesn't apply if the spyware is written in javascript
[03:01] <egg|coffeebreak> nikkia, yeah
[03:02] <kbrooks> nikkia, javascript isnt even universal
[03:02] <reka> Jowi: guessing: you're missing some libraries...."engrave" or something
[03:02] <aio> kbrooks ok - i'm not sure i agree, but i'll continue to take precautions
[03:02] <kbrooks> nikkia, ECMA js doesnt count
[03:02] <action09> anybody uysing acroread please on Hoary ?
[03:02] <action09> nothing happen :(
[03:02] <nikkia> kbrooks: large chunks of firefox are written in javascript....
[03:02] <egg|coffeebreak> ECMA lol
[03:02] <nikkia> kbrooks: it is the backbone of XUL
[03:02] <action09> when i open a pdf with Firefox
[03:02] <aio> kbrooks but if they write it specifically for firefox on linux....
[03:02] <snowblink> action09, try evince
[03:02] <kbrooks> nikkia, i do not believe you.
[03:03] <Jowi> reka, engrave is what i am compiling. it is line 324 that is annoying. Collect2 missing
[03:03] <nikkia> kbrooks: your loss, its the truth
[03:03] <kbrooks> nikkia, prove the truth is a fact, then.
[03:03] <gyaresu> action09, i use adobe reader 7
[03:03] <slept> how can I make correct syntax if teach ubotu something , is there an otherway than ... is, have a look at webmin to see what I mean
[03:03] <egg|coffeebreak> so php,perl,java... dead?
[03:03] <reka> Jowi: and i think yylex is something to do with bison
[03:03] <action09> snowblink  as weird as it is evince and xpdf open w blank document but this document is ok if i open it with acroread on another PC.. :(
[03:03] <action09> gyaresu  installed from the adobe website ?
[03:04] <apokryphos> slept: what? /msg ubotu and type "help"
[03:04] <Jowi> reka, the enlighenment guys say that Collect2 is needed as it is a basic gcc command.... yeah, i will check if bison is needed or is an option. thanks
[03:04] <gyaresu> action09, nah. backports.
[03:04] <kbrooks> Jowi, build-essential solves that
[03:04] <kbrooks> Jowi, ubuntu doesnt include GCC
[03:04] <egg|coffeebreak> Jowi, Is this a problem?
[03:05] <Jowi> kbrooks, no, build-essential does not solve it
[03:05] <Ubunoob> lo all.. hlp plz
[03:05] <kbrooks> Jowi, uh. why?
[03:05] <gyaresu> Ubunoob, tell.
[03:05] <kbrooks> Ubunoob, ask.
[03:05] <Jowi> kbrooks, good question!
[03:05] <slept> apokryphos, /msg ubotu webmin to see what I mean , I made that entry but would like it to be more like to use webmin ... and not webmin is ....
[03:06] <kbrooks> !webmin
[03:06] <ubotu> webmin is probably To use webmin with ubuntu you have to add a webmin-root account with : /usr/share/webmin/changepass.pl /etc/webmin root "passwort"
[03:06] <wezzer> gyaresu: yes, I have checked linuxprinting.org
[03:06] <Jowi> kbrooks, gcc is included in hoary
[03:06] <wezzer> gyaresu: wait, I might have solved the problem
[03:06] <Ubunoob> mouse not working
[03:06] <kbrooks> ubotu, webmin is <reply>To use webmin with ubuntu you have to add a webmin-root account with : /usr/share/webmin/changepass.pl /etc/webmin root "password"
[03:06] <ubotu> ...but webmin is already something else...
[03:06] <kbrooks> ubotu, forget webmin
[03:06] <ubotu> i forgot webmin, kbrooks
[03:06] <kbrooks> ubotu, webmin is <reply>To use webmin with ubuntu you have to add a webmin-root account with : /usr/share/webmin/changepass.pl /etc/webmin root "password"
[03:07] <action09> gyaresu ok thanks
[03:07] <gyaresu> !mouse
[03:07] <ubotu> mouse is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
[03:07] <apokryphos> slept: hm, I see. I'm not sure how that's done, nope.
[03:07] <kbrooks> ubotu, webmin is <reply>To use webmin with ubuntu you have to add a webmin-root account with : /usr/share/webmin/changepass.pl /etc/webmin root "password"
[03:07] <ubotu> kbrooks: okay
[03:07] <kbrooks> !webmin
[03:07] <ubotu> To use webmin with ubuntu you have to add a webmin-root account with : /usr/share/webmin/changepass.pl /etc/webmin root "password"
[03:07] <gyaresu> wezzer, let me know what it was...
[03:07] <Ubunoob> not moving
[03:07] <slept> thats nice
[03:07] <Ubunoob> do I have to push it around ?
[03:07] <kbrooks> slept, <reply>
[03:07] <kbrooks> :)
[03:07] <nikkia> kbrooks: you want proof, how's this, the source code to the sidebar part of mozilla/firefox:  http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/browser/components/sidebar/src/nsSidebar.js
[03:07] <mdk-frodo> exit
[03:08] <mdk-frodo> hehe i forgot this is not bash
[03:08] <gyaresu> kbrooks, you need to make a wiki entry rather than a brief one liner IMO
[03:08] <nikkia> kbrooks: feel free to poke around the rest of the lxr, and note how much of the code is .js files
[03:08] <gyaresu> Ubunoob, what type of mouse.
[03:09] <Ubunoob> white, two button, little wheel
[03:09] <kbrooks> gyaresu, me?
[03:09] <gyaresu> Ubunoob, preface your comments with the name of the person you're talking to (TAB complete after the first couple of letters)
[03:09] <kbrooks> gyaresu, uh no i didnt even make the entry
[03:09] <m9dhatter> Ubunoob: usb? ps2?
[03:09] <gyaresu> kbrooks, oh. sorry.
[03:10] <Hoxzer> niko@lappari:~$ screen -r
[03:10] <Hoxzer> There is a screen on:
[03:10] <Hoxzer>         15234.pts-0.lappari     (Attached)
[03:10] <Hoxzer> There is no screen to be resumed.
[03:10] <Hoxzer> how can I return to that screen_
[03:10] <Hoxzer> ?
[03:10] <Ubunoob> I have another pblm too
[03:10] <mirak> hello
[03:10] <gyaresu> Ubunoob, just started? fresh install?
[03:11] <gyaresu> mirak, hello
[03:11] <mirak> is linux supposed to be reliable on DVD burning ? I have burn an iso but, this iso md5sum is different than the DVD one
[03:11] <apokryphos> Are the us. archives no longer down?
[03:11] <gyaresu> mirak, explain better please.
[03:12] <mirak> gyaresu: I burned a dvd video, the first time it failed since I didn't you there was an option for dvd video. So next time I used k3b to create one, but it failed badly after few seconds
[03:12] <mirak> I retried again with k3b and it worked
[03:12] <Ubunoob> I'm trying to suspend my laptio using acpi on kernel 2.6.10, by echoing sleep states to the relevent /sys entries.  acpi sleep state 4 works ok (suspend to disk) though I did have to manually edit the menu.list and add the pmdisk= parameter to the kernel line.  Suspend state 3 however suspends the machine to ram but upon reactivation the backlight on the s3 savage chipset doesn't come back on.  Apparently this can be caused by not resetting the video bus
[03:12] <gyaresu> mirak, are you using ubuntu or #kubuntu
[03:13] <mirak> but when I do a md5sum /dev/dvd I don't have the same value than md5sum image.iso
[03:13] <mirak> gyaresu: ubuntu
[03:13] <Ubunoob> obviously the os has no control over the video bios and therefore cannot set the video bus bits correctly when resuming from an acpi s3 sleep state
[03:13] <Ubunoob> any ideas?
[03:13] <mirak> gyaresu: it failed with nautilus in fact
[03:13] <gyaresu> mirak, and you installed k3b?
[03:13] <nikkia> Hoxzer: you can attach a second attachment with 'screen -x'
[03:13] <mirak> yes gyaresu
[03:13] <reka> Jowi: i asked about it in #c
[03:13] <m9dhatter> Ubunoob is not a noob
[03:14] <mirak> this are verbatim dvd
[03:14] <Ubunoob> I'm also wondering why ubuntu doesn't come with pmdisk set up by default to enable acpi sleep state 4 support in this day in age
[03:14] <mirak> it should be fine
[03:14] <reka> "collect2: ld returned 1 exit status" indicates that your not linking to the correct libraries probably
[03:14] <gyaresu> Ubunoob, sleep is crummy in linux laptops (unless ubuntu has fixed that as well) but in debian it's pretty broken IMO
[03:14] <kbrooks> m9dhatter, he is a noob to ubuntu, not a noob to linux
[03:14] <reka> dammit, he left...
[03:14] <Ubunoob> It wasn;t set up in warty, hoary and breezy appears similar
[03:14] <m9dhatter> kbrooks, i got that part figured out. :p
[03:14] <mirak> gyaresu: so in theorie the md5sum of "md5sum /dev/dvd" should be the same of the .iso isn't it ?
[03:15] <Ubunoob> though breezy seems to have the 2.6.12 kernel at the moment, people seem more concerned with splitting up x packages instead of acutally working on things users want
[03:15] <LaLu> brezy got 2.6.12 ?
[03:16] <Ubunoob> ah mouse working
[03:16] <Ubunoob> I had to move it manually
[03:16] <gyaresu> mirak, do you have your sources.list set up and do you have the codecs installed
[03:17] <gyaresu> mirak, md5sum the /dev/dvd i don't know.
[03:17] <m9dhatter> Ubunoob: what do you mean "manually"? thats how i move the mouse all the time..
[03:17] <Ubunoob> ah
[03:17] <m9dhatter> Ubunoob: unless you are telekinetic. :p
[03:17] <Ubunoob> normally use keyboard
[03:17] <Ubunoob> much faster
[03:17] <Ubunoob> can move 101 buttons at once not just 2
[03:18] <Hoxzer> how do I logout from screen without closing it?
[03:18] <mirak> gyaresu: yes, but I don't need a codec ...
[03:19] <gyaresu> mirak, just testing the md5sum on my disk now...
[03:19] <mirak> you test on what ?
[03:19] <Ubunoob> right..
[03:19] <leroj> hey
[03:20] <leroj> my iPod works on ubuntu, i am satisfied
[03:20] <mirak> your iPoo ?
[03:20] <mirak> :)
[03:20] <Ubunoob> bored now
[03:21] <mirak> I have a problem with dvd mounting with pmount
[03:21] <gyaresu> mirak, (have you used gnomebaker?)
[03:21] <mirak> pmount mounts it drwxr-x---  8 root root
[03:21] <mirak> gyaresu: it's installed
[03:22] <leroj> i nees some announce script for rythmbox and xchat
[03:22] <wezzer> gyaresu: yea, problem solved
[03:22] <tobias_> hi, I am trying to do masquerade on ppp0 via iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE but doesn t work iptables -L doesnt show anything
[03:22] <wezzer> gyaresu: I installed HP drivers and then the new printer model appeared in ubuntu's printer listing
[03:23] <wezzer> wonderful
[03:23] <gyaresu> wezzer, ooh!
[03:23] <julz> g'night
[03:25] <mirak> gyaresu: someone told me there is a bug with the sector size and you can't have a similar md5sum
[03:26] <Zindar> tobias: try iptables -L -t nat
[03:27] <snowblink> hi - can someone point me to docs that will let me build a deb package for ubuntu?
[03:27] <Zindar> snowblink: a new package.. or build a existing source package?
[03:28] <snowblink> Zindar, I want to build a new ruby package
[03:29] <linukso> Hmm. is backports.ubuntuforums.org down?
[03:29] <danny> jajajajaja de eerste keer met ubuntu en het werkt geweldig !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:29] <danny> vmware rulezzzz!!!!! :P:P:P:P
[03:29] <sJaM> nice for you danny although it is nicer to everyone if you speak english
[03:29] <danny> I have windows xp with vmware and it works great !!!!
[03:29] <danny> better ? :P
[03:30] <ed1t> lol
[03:30] <leroj> hello dutch guy
[03:30] <danny> hey
[03:30] <danny> holland :P
[03:30] <leroj> same thing
[03:30] <danny> am i the only 1?
[03:30] <mdeboer> danny: no
[03:30] <leroj> i'm swedish
[03:30] <danny> leroj holland?
[03:30] <danny> ok
[03:30] <danny> hello boer :P
[03:31] <danny> i leave you all again bye!!!!!! nice tot talk to you with ubuntu lol
[03:31] <mdeboer> danny: ubuntu will work much better if you run it natively than in vmware
[03:31] <mirak> so pmount mounts the dvd as root, any idea where the problem can come from ?
[03:32] <danny> yeah I know but i didn't know how ubuntu works this is just the testing phase :)
[03:32] <danny> vmware is a great proggie for testing different os systems
[03:33] <danny> windows is getting slowly on my nerves
[03:33] <snowblink> Zindar, any ideas?
[03:34] <mirak> weird this works with another dvd
[03:35] <mirak> it's weird, pmount mounts a commercial dvd as root
[03:38] <bigfoot1> Hello, I currently have openoffice version 1 on my ubuntu. is it safe to use version 2? If so, how do i upgrade? How do i remove all traces of version 1 from my computer?
[03:42] <bigfoot1> hello.
[03:42] <one_love_1980> was your current openoffice install with the package manager?
[03:42] <ed1t> bigfoot1, go to synaptic package manager, and search for openoffice
[03:43] <amichai> hey guys i'm trying to connect to another ubuntu machine. with TSC i keep getting connection refused and with xdmcp i get server busy. i didnt install firestarter or anything on that other box, any ideas?
[03:43] <one_love_1980> exactly
[03:43] <bigfoot1> ed1t, yes, i found openoffice 2 in synaptic. I was just wondering: if it's safe and better than version 1, why was it version 1 that came pre-installed with hoary installation?
[03:44] <ed1t> yea its safe
[03:44] <one_love_1980> safe
[03:44] <amichai> anybody?
[03:44] <reka> bigfoot1: i've read it's buggy though.
[03:44] <bigfoot1> so many ubuntu users stick with openoffice 1?
[03:45] <langenberg> Hi there,  I've got some problems booting ubuntu after changing the mobo and CPU.
[03:45] <reka> bigfoot1: i don't use office progs that much...but i'd assume so.
[03:45] <langenberg> Can I get some support.
[03:45] <reka> bigfoot1: iirc, it's a seperate package anyway
[03:46] <reka> bigfoot1: i.e. it can run parallel to oo1
[03:46] <bigfoot1> ALso, If i install a program from synaptic, what's the best way to remove that program plus all the other dedencies that this program needed? Do we have to remove the depencies one by one? is there not a faster way?
[03:46] <amichai> langenberg: doesnt look like it :) whats ur prob?
[03:46] <calc> on amd64 port only the translations for oo.o 1.9.114 are there, no binaries
[03:46] <langenberg> amichai: The pc get's stuck after the "Unpacking linux ... OK, booting the kernel" message.
[03:47] <bigfoot1> How do you guys remove/uninstall some progarm/package you've installed?
[03:47] <Garrison> Anyone underclock their processors?
[03:47] <langenberg> amichai: I changed from Pentium3 to Athlon XP, quite a change.
[03:47] <amichai> langenberg: its ur kernel
[03:47] <amichai> langenberg: u get kernel panick?
[03:47] <smooawkish> where can i get realplayer?
[03:47] <bigfoot1> Is it a good idea to have the hoary backports added to our repository list, to better our chances of getting upgrades ?
[03:48] <langenberg> amichai: No, no panics, the pc just gets stuck.
[03:48] <smooawkish> it seems like that there is no realplay in the official mirrors
[03:48] <calc> Garrison: newer processors adjust freq by usage so underclocking isn't need as much for power savings anymore
[03:48] <langenberg> amichai: Does ubuntu save some information about the architecture or something like it?
[03:48] <calc> eg my desktop runs at 800mhz most of the time
[03:48] <reka> bigfoot1: iirc, people use dpkg with the purge option or something to remove everything completely (i don't remember too much about it).....i myself am satisifed with just selecting complete removal.in synaptic
[03:49] <Garrison> calc: I took a 3200+ down to 1.7 due to thermal issues.
[03:49] <reka> bigfoot1: use of backports should be limited to what you need.
[03:49] <reka> bigfoot1: imo, it's a bad idea to do an upgrade with BP in sources.list
[03:49] <reka> but that's just me
[03:49] <amichai> langenberg: like when u log in it stick, or during boot up?
[03:49] <calc> Garrison: http://www.thermalright.com/a_page/main_product_xp120.htm <- that might help with thermal issues ;)
[03:50] <langenberg> amichai: during bootup.
[03:50] <reka> from what i've seen the recommmended method is to keep it disabled, using it sparingly only when you need a certain package
[03:50] <reka> and then disabling it again
[03:50] <langenberg> amichai: PC booted fine, I upgraded the mobo and CPU, PC doesn't boot anymore. :)
[03:50] <calc> Garrison: though it doesn't work on socket a if that is what you have
[03:50] <amichai> langenberg: try sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7
[03:51] <hybrid_goth> hello all
[03:51] <Garrison> Shit, I just spilled Mr. Pib all over my IBM Clicky..
[03:51] <hybrid_goth> lol
[03:51] <langenberg> amichai: Will I need an inet connection for that?
[03:51] <bigfoot1> reka, for me, it seems "complete removal" in synaptic doesn't do a complete removal. For example, I just installed evince, a pdf viewer via synaptic. It said it had to get a depdency named something like  libxyz . But now that I selected complete reomval of evince, it doesn't automatically choose to remove that libxyz file.
[03:52] <sh0k> hi
[03:52] <hybrid_goth> I have been gone for a month and a half and now my breezy repos do not work right why is that?
[03:52] <amichai> langenberg: where r u chatting form now?
[03:52] <sh0k> i cant get my Nforce sound card workin
[03:52] <sh0k>  Official Ubuntu Help channel | Have a question? Just ask! | Please don't paste
[03:52] <sh0k> ups
[03:52] <sh0k> here is the debug log, when im installing the sound drivers
[03:52] <sh0k> http://cpp.enisoc.com/pastebin/?5985
[03:52] <langenberg> amichai: Euhm, my pc, why?
[03:53] <reka> bigfoot1: no...iirc, complete means removal of the cached package contents downloaded before install.  so if you choose normal removal, there's no need to download the package again.
[03:53] <langenberg> amichai: I'll need a livecd, and chroot the ubuntu install.
[03:53] <Garrison> sh0k, i have nforce2 audio working, what's you're problem.
[03:53] <sh0k> how?
[03:53] <sh0k> here nothing works
[03:53] <reka> bigfoot1: afaik, complete doesn't take care of dependencies,
[03:53] <langenberg> amichai: am searching at my place for a livecd with pretty good inet support, but my gentoo disc seems lost.
[03:53] <Garrison> sh0k, where are you having the problem?  Did you do the nforce2 platform drivers from nvidia?
[03:53] <sh0k> only Line Out.. and there i put my Front boxes in
[03:53] <reka> bigfoot1: which i guess is what you're wanting
[03:53] <sh0k> the installtion of the drivers doesnt workj
[03:54] <sh0k> http://cpp.enisoc.com/pastebin/?5985 << heres the log
[03:54] <Garrison> sweet
[03:54] <hybrid_goth> anyone?
[03:54] <sh0k> and i dont know whats wrong
[03:54] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: you online?
[03:55] <langenberg> amichai: I already tried 'dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-2.6.41-5' (or something similar)
[03:55] <Garrison> sh0k; in a terminal do: uname -r
[03:55] <mirak> does it happens to you that mounting of fat32 gives weird permissions ?
[03:55] <Garrison> sh0k tell me what it says
[03:55] <sh0k> sec
[03:55] <sh0k> 2.6.10-5-386
[03:56] <Garrison> sh0k, what processor do you have?
[03:56] <amichai> langenberg: nevertheless u'll want k7
[03:56] <sh0k> amd barton 2500+
[03:56] <Garrison> ok
[03:56] <bigfoot1> i see, but i'm still left with the problem: after uninstalling one program, what do we do with the now-unused depencies? What do you guys do? Do you guys take notes of the dependcies each instaled  program needs? I think there is a problem here. Many of us advice newbies. Experts say to newbies "You are free to try many programs, since they are all free/safe/etc. They are in the repository. and if you don't like it, you can just remove it."
[03:56] <bigfoot1> But this doesn't take care of the unnecessary dependencies. Over time, our hard drive will be wasting space, holding unnecessary dependencies. What do you guys do about this?
[03:56] <luzbelito> hi to all. i had seen my ubuntu turns slowest at 1.30 hour of connection. should i reinstall it ?
[03:56] <langenberg> amichai: Ok, thank you.
[03:56] <philwil> how do you run setup again, like when you are installing?  I saw it somewhere but can't remember how.
[03:56] <Garrison> sh0k; sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7
[03:56] <sh0k> sec
[03:56] <hybrid_goth> I have been gone for a month and a half and now my breezy repos do not work right why is that?
[03:57] <azol> hi all. what is the difference between hoary-security and hoary-updates ?
[03:57] <luzbelito> hi to all. i had seen my ubuntu turns slowest at 1.30 hour of connection. should i reinstall it ?
[03:57] <bigfoot1> Is there a way to have synaptic search through all files to see un-needed files/dependencies?
[03:57] <wmealing__> how badly broken is X in breezy ?
[03:57] <Garrison> sh0k; after that; sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-k7
[03:57] <hybrid_goth> azol: updates in stable are normally security
[03:57] <wmealing__> hackable to fix ?
[03:58] <sh0k> ok
[03:58] <Garrison> is it going?
[03:58] <sh0k> yep
[03:58] <Garrison> kk
[03:58] <sh0k> ok, done with both
[03:58] <Garrison> reboot and come back
[03:58] <sh0k> ok
[03:58] <sh0k> cya
[03:58] <hybrid_goth> azol: but in developement updates can be anything in stable it is almost always security (besides backports)
[03:59] <Garrison> Meh, still compiling.
[03:59] <hybrid_goth> azol: make sense?
[04:00] <chrissturm> wmealing__, right now its badly broken
[04:00] <azol> hybrid_goth: no
[04:00] <chrissturm> wmealing__, revision -36 works, the later revs dont
[04:00] <hybrid_goth> azol: ok the updates are not normally new software.
[04:00] <hybrid_goth> azol: in stable branch
[04:00] <asad2005> can some one tell me what to put in sourses.list for amd64 breezy 5.10
[04:00] <sh0k> Garrison: im back :)
[04:01] <asad2005> I only have the cdrom deb
[04:01] <luzbelito> hi to all. i had seen my ubuntu turns slowest at 1.30 hour of connection to internet. should i reinstall it or is a user problem?
[04:01] <Amaranth> chrissturm: They work, you just need to know what to install.
[04:01] <reka> bigfoot1: i could be horribly mistaken...but afaik, no.
[04:01] <hybrid_goth> azol: so unless it is develomental branch the only updates you really get is security patches i.e. firefox parches
[04:01] <Amaranth> chrissturm: Oh, and you need one hack, but only until -42 is in.
[04:01] <Garrison> sh0k; no problems?
[04:01] <bigfoot1> reka, thanks.
[04:01] <keikoz> hal.hotplug[5351] : timout(10000 ms) waiting for /block/dm-0 <<== what mean that message in the message log pls ?
[04:02] <sh0k> i rebooted
[04:02] <hybrid_goth> azol: you can get newer software on the stable branch through backports though
[04:02] <sh0k> im here now, should i try to install drivers again?
[04:02] <keikoz> doing dmesg i have no messages
[04:02] <Garrison> sh0k; now, retry the installer
[04:02] <chrissturm> Amaranth, i have -41 installed and xlibs-base from -39
[04:02] <hybrid_goth> azol: but backports are prone to cause issues
[04:02] <sh0k> No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel; this means
[04:02] <sh0k>   that the installer will need to compile a new kernel interface.
[04:02] <chrissturm> Amaranth, how can i fix my regional keyboard settings?
[04:02] <Garrison> sh0k; do _NOT_ install the network card driver
[04:02] <Amaranth> chrissturm: You need xkeyboard-config
[04:02] <sh0k> i didnt install em ;)
[04:02] <Garrison> sh0k; good
[04:02] <sh0k> ok
[04:03] <Garrison> thats fine, just let it do its thing
[04:03] <sh0k> yes
[04:03] <sh0k> it build a kernel or so
[04:03] <sh0k> and now it says
[04:03] <sh0k>   Installation of the NVIDIA audio driver for Linux-x86 (version: 1.0-2) is
[04:03] <sh0k>   now complete.  Please update your audio configuration as appropriate; see
[04:03] <sh0k>   the file /usr/share/doc/nforce/ReleaseNotes.html for details.
[04:03] <Garrison> sh0k; good now; sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:04] <sh0k> ok
[04:04] <sh0k> now?
[04:04] <azol> hybrid_goth: so, hoary-security=hoary-updates? sorry I don't understand
[04:04] <joseruiz> hello I can't listen mp3 with noatun,  help me
[04:04] <joseruiz> in ubuntu
[04:04] <hybrid_goth> azol: pretty much. it is ok.
[04:04] <Garrison> sh0k; find   Section "Device"  and change Driver "nv" to Driver "nvidia"
[04:05] <chrissturm> Amaranth, cool, thx. i was searching that package yesterday and didnt find it
[04:05] <Amaranth> chrissturm: It was stuck in NEW.
[04:05] <Garrison> sh0k; at the bottom of the file, you'll see   Section "DRI" mode 0666 endSection.  put a # infront of each line
[04:05] <reka> joseruiz: never used noatun...but try installing gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:05] <joseruiz> ok
[04:05] <sh0k> ok
[04:05] <reka> !tell joseruiz about restrictedformats
[04:05] <hybrid_goth> azol: when hoary went stable it gets no new software. just patches. the updates *were* for developement but now is just there. so hoary-updates~=hoary-security
[04:06] <sh0k> Section "Device"
[04:06] <sh0k> 	Identifier	"NVIDIA Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] "
[04:06] <sh0k> 	Driver		"nvidia"
[04:06] <sh0k> 	BusID		"PCI:3:0:0"
[04:06] <sh0k> so?
[04:06] <Garrison> sh0k private message
[04:06] <sh0k> ye
[04:06] <Amaranth> hoary-updates is for crashers and major bugs
[04:06] <joseruiz> thanks
[04:07] <joseruiz> I speak little english
[04:07] <reka> joseruiz: let us know if it works
[04:07] <hybrid_goth> anyone here using breezy
[04:07] <joseruiz> ok
[04:07] <hybrid_goth> ?
[04:07] <joseruiz> let me see
[04:07] <terrex> hybrid_goth: me
[04:08] <azol> hybrid_goth: ok. thank's!
[04:08] <leroj> i think the next one should be call lame llama
[04:08] <hybrid_goth> terrex: could you be so kind as to msg me your breezy repos?
[04:08] <leroj> *called
[04:08] <leroj> :P
[04:08] <hybrid_goth> azol: no problem
[04:08] <hybrid_goth> azol: hope i helped more then i confused :P
[04:08] <terrex> sure
[04:08] <azol> hybrid_goth: :-)
[04:08] <reka> leroj: reminds me too much of winamp
[04:08] <hybrid_goth> terrex: thank you
[04:08] <leroj> :P
[04:09] <leroj> sneaky snake
[04:09] <hybrid_goth> reka: you dont like winamp?
[04:09] <mumbles> llama is a better name
[04:09] <mumbles> jumping llama
[04:09] <reka> hybrid_goth: i've got nothing against it...wasn't llama their mascot?
[04:09] <ed1t> lol
[04:10] <reka> hybrid_goth: why i said it reminds me of it
[04:10] <wmealing__> breezey is really broken atm ? ie.. should I even try to install ?
[04:10] <mumbles> http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php
[04:10] <sJaM> no wmealing__
[04:10] <sJaM> don't do that
[04:10] <wmealing__> sJaM: dont install ?
[04:10] <sJaM> no
[04:11] <sJaM> it does only add unstabilty and brokeness to your system
[04:11] <wmealing__> i usually run rawhide, so I'm pretty used to that
[04:12] <wmealing__> but, i might just run hoarey, and jhbuild gnome
[04:12] <wmealing__> i assume that jhbuild works on ubuntu ?
[04:12] <sJaM> rawhide ?
[04:12] <hybrid_goth> reka: ah
[04:12] <wmealing__> rawhide is 0 day fedora
[04:13] <hybrid_goth> reka: i apollagize
[04:13] <mirak> pmount mounts the dvd as root
[04:13] <mirak> help
[04:13] <sJaM> I see, well in the topic is stated that X is broken in breezy
[04:13] <sJaM> but if you like irssi, lynx, bitlbee, mpg321
[04:13] <sJaM> hehe
[04:14] <wmealing__> sJaM, do you know how bad it is broken  ?
[04:14] <sJaM> no
[04:14] <wmealing__> ok
[04:14] <mumbles> mah
[04:14] <mumbles> i need more webbocmis to read
[04:14] <sJaM> I never tried out
[04:15] <sJaM> I thought it runs gcc 4.0
[04:15] <sJaM> and versions like that
[04:15] <sJaM> I don't need such new versions
[04:17] <pablob> hi all! what if I upgraded to breezy, found X really broken, and want to go back to hoary?
[04:17] <pablob> can i do that?
[04:17] <reka> pablob: apparently, it's easier to reinstall hoary
[04:17] <snowblink> pablob, see topic
[04:18] <pablob> fron the CD?
[04:18] <reka> pablob: if you want to play around...install it on seperate partitions
[04:18] <pablob> ok, my coworker is going to kill me now ... :P
[04:18] <hybrid_goth> brb
[04:19] <Will_> Why are people using breezy! *confusion*
[04:19] <snowblink> Will_, because they don't read the topic. ;)
[04:19] <mirak> no idea why pmount can mount dvd as root ?
[04:20] <pitti> mirak: hm?
[04:20] <snowblink> can anyone point me to docs about creating packages from tarballs (not using checkinstall)?
[04:20] <pablob> I thought it was stable
[04:20] <pitti> mirak: what do you mean exactly? it should be mounted as the user you call it
[04:20] <seb128> hey pitti
[04:20] <wmealing__> i've read the topic, and am not using breezy... because of the topic
[04:20] <mirak> pitti: yep but when I insert the dvd, it mounts it as root
[04:21] <pablob> in debian is easy: unstable = not stable, testing = almost stable, stable = very stable :)
[04:21] <pitti> seb128: hi Gnominator
[04:21] <sJaM> I don't know Will_ , think because they like to have an unstable system
[04:21] <sJaM> used to windows
[04:21] <pitti> mirak: oh, nope
[04:21] <pitti> mirak: the file system of the DVD says so
[04:21] <reka> snowblink: OOI, why not checkinstall?
[04:21] <pitti> mirak: there is little that can be done about that, it doesn't react to uid= options :-(
[04:21] <snowblink> reka, I want to roll it out to several servers
[04:22] <mirak> pitti: :-/
[04:22] <reka> ah
[04:22] <snowblink> reka, also good to learn how to do it
[04:22] <mirak> ok I can still read it with xine
[04:22] <mirak> but it seems to be random
[04:23] <reka> snowblink: google time for you methinks......most of the helpers seem to be idle atm.
[04:24] <snowblink> reka, yeah, I've found a few, but I would quite like a straight forward howto
[04:24] <cschaetzle> hallo
[04:24] <sJaM> hi
[04:24] <cschaetzle> ich habe ne frage
[04:25] <cschaetzle> ber ubuntu
[04:25] <sJaM> english please
[04:25] <cschaetzle> ok
[04:25] <sJaM> ubuntu has a german channel I though
[04:25] <cschaetzle> i have a problem
[04:25] <cschaetzle> with ubuntu
[04:25] <ed1t> cschaetzle, wats the problem?
[04:25] <devios> thanks for specifying.  what would the problem be?
[04:25] <sJaM> #ubuntu-de
[04:26] <cschaetzle> i cant install the realplyer
[04:27] <ed1t> cschaetzle, did you try installing it from apt-get/synaptic or manually?
[04:27] <cschaetzle> with the terminal
[04:27] <cschaetzle> sudo apt-get install realplayer
[04:27] <ed1t> cschaetzle, you can type sudo apt-get install realplayer in terminal
[04:27] <shilla> halo
[04:27] <ed1t> does it give any error/
[04:27] <cschaetzle> oh
[04:28] <cschaetzle> ???
[04:29] <cschaetzle> can you say me wie i realplayer
[04:29] <ed1t> cschaetzle, did u get any error while install realplayer?
[04:29] <cschaetzle> install
[04:29] <ed1t> installing*
[04:30] <ed1t> ok
[04:30] <tuku> Where is should put eviroment variable oracle_home so that would be there for user oracle when command is run like su oracle -c someprogram
[04:31] <cschaetzle> libc6 (<= 2.3.2.dsl-21) but 2.3.2.dsl-20ubuntu13
[04:31] <hybrid_goth> anyone here have a psp? got it working with ubuntu?
[04:32] <cschaetzle> yes I
[04:32] <cschaetzle> a PSP
[04:32] <cschaetzle> with the game need for speed underground rivals
[04:32] <hybrid_goth> cschaetzle: anything special you had to do?
[04:32] <cschaetzle> no
[04:32] <ed1t> cschaetzle, can you paste the error on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:32] <tuku> If i put it in /etc/bash.bashrc it dosent use it when i use su
[04:33] <hybrid_goth> cschaetzle: so i can just hookit up and i can put movies and such on the duo?
[04:33] <cschaetzle> yes
[04:33] <hybrid_goth> cschaetzle: sweet!!!
[04:33] <cschaetzle> but i must in the music probe
[04:33] <ed1t> hmmm i havent tried hookin up my ipod, i should try that
[04:33] <reka> tuku: try ~/.bashrc
[04:33] <cschaetzle> i com in 1 hour
[04:33] <cschaetzle> bye
[04:33] <reka> tuku: what's oracle, btw
[04:34] <ed1t> dbms
[04:34] <ed1t> database management system
[04:34] <reka> sweet.  i decoded that acronym myself :)
[04:34] <ed1t> heh
[04:34] <tuku> reka: some unknow database
[04:34] <sJaM> acronym ?
[04:34] <h08817> anyone here familiar with the smartbootmanger
[04:34] <ed1t> its like MS SQL server
[04:34] <sJaM> can you speak it out then
[04:35] <sJaM> as a word
[04:35] <langenberg> amichai: I know where the problem is from now. The pc got stuck at the same error "Unpacking linux ... OK, booting the kernel"
[04:35] <sJaM> ?
[04:35] <reka> ed1t: that's jibberish to me too. :)
[04:35] <mophat> hoy hoy .. back again [=
[04:35] <mophat> i have sound. but i can't play music
[04:35] <mophat> system sounds a okay
[04:35] <mophat> mplayer, xmms configured nicely
[04:35] <ed1t> heh its really cool, i love doing database stuff, i forgot all that stuff, i used to know like 3 yrs ago
[04:35] <reka> sJaM: apps > dictionary ;)
[04:35] <mophat> it detects the intel 5 channel too
[04:36] <ed1t> maybe i should start again
[04:36] <langenberg> amichai: After using the 'noacpi' kernel option I could boot the gentoo livecd, do you know if there is a similar thing for the ubuntu kernel?
[04:36] <VirtuallN2> hi again. I've just installed ubuntu on my friend's machine and i'm having a little problem: it always freezes for couple of minutes on "Starting Ubuntu". what to do? :(
[04:36] <Jowi> langenberg, acpi=noacpi in grub
[04:36] <tanki> Virtuall, did your friend punch you in the nose hehe
[04:36] <langenberg> Jowi: going to try that, thanks.
[04:37] <Jowi> langenberg, i mean pci=noacpi
[04:37] <reka> hehe
[04:37] <ed1t> VirtuallN2, at what part does it freezes? while loading gnome/
[04:37] <luzbelito> anyone knows how to reset bios of a Zyxel router please ???
[04:37] <h08817> my computer kept trying to install extra components
[04:37] <hybrid_goth> ls
[04:37] <h08817> and then it would just repeat
[04:37] <VirtuallN2> tanki, no, but he promises to if i don't fix it ;)
[04:37] <h08817> get 1% and repear
[04:37] <tuku> reka: thank's. It's worked
[04:37] <tanki> :)
[04:37] <h08817> repeat*
[04:37] <reka> mophat: change the output plugin in xmms to esound
[04:37] <VirtuallN2> ed1t, on the message "Starting Ubuntu" after loading kernel
[04:37] <sJaM> reka with an acronym is ment that you can speak the abbrevation as one word, I only wondered if you could do that with dbms
[04:38] <ed1t> hmmm
[04:38] <reka> mophat: btw, beep-media-player is prettier
[04:38] <erchache> incredible...its the first time i install ubuntu and root pass doesnt asked....now i dont know what pass has!
[04:38] <erchache> fuck
[04:38] <reka> sJaM: "deebems" :D
[04:38] <tanki> Virtuall, http://www.math.vt.edu/people/jbwillia/computer.gif
[04:38] <bedwards> just got my ubuntu CD's in the mail.  They are awesome!
[04:38] <sJaM> no that is just pronoucing the letters
[04:38] <sJaM> an acronym is something like grub
[04:38] <VirtuallN2> erchache, it was in the faq
[04:38] <bedwards> I have passed them out to friends/coworkers
[04:39] <topyli> erchache: root logins are disabled, there's no password
[04:39] <VirtuallN2> do sudo passwd root and write a new password
[04:39] <sJaM> or unix
[04:39] <h08817> how long does it take to get the cd's?
[04:39] <erchache> :S
[04:39] <mophat> reka:mmmm
[04:39] <bedwards> it took me about 4 weeks.
[04:39] <VirtuallN2> imo disabling root login is wrong :)
[04:39] <lesshaste>  any ideas how to make a .3gp file?
[04:39] <mophat> reka: thx .. haha.. what about this beep
[04:39] <mophat> doot
[04:39] <h08817> o ok
[04:39] <ed1t> VirtuallN2, why?
[04:39] <sJaM> well Virtuall you can enable it back
[04:39] <reka> tuku: yep....iirc, there's an ordering/priority as to which config file will be looked at...always best to use the ones in your home directory
[04:39] <topyli> Virtuall: if that's how you feel, you can "fix" it
[04:39] <h08817> anyone  know why my computer won't finish installing components?
[04:39] <sJaM> linux is all about choices
[04:39] <VirtuallN2> because :)\
[04:39] <reka> mophat: it's an xmms clone
[04:40] <reka> mophat: you get sound now?
[04:40] <sJaM> which uses gtk2
[04:40] <erchache> ooops
[04:40] <sJaM> and is xmms compliant
[04:40] <erchache> i forget it :$
[04:40] <bedwards> Any mesed with varsha for dvd authoring?
[04:40] <sJaM> if you do in your terminal
[04:40] <mophat> reka: yes, thanku
[04:40] <sJaM> xmms --stop
[04:40] <mophat> reka: can't get mplayer to go tho
[04:40] <sJaM> your beep-media-player stops playing
[04:40] <tanki> is it true mplayer can rip dvd's?
[04:40] <mophat> erp, the sound, it only has OSS
[04:40] <VirtuallN2> so, can anyone help me. staring at that "Starting Ubuntu" is quite annoying.
[04:40] <mophat> maybe i need beep
[04:40] <sJaM> so lots of tools made for xmms work for beep-media-player too
[04:40] <topyli> mophat: nah, you need muine :)
[04:41] <bedwards> what does everyone use for DVD playing? xine?
[04:41] <blmartin777> why wont file-roller open a .rar package?
[04:41] <mophat> topyli,  what do you recommend
[04:41] <sJaM> .rar isn't free software
[04:41] <reka> bedwards: bedwards vlc has been mentioned a lot
[04:41] <sJaM> you have to install it yourself
[04:41] <mophat> i used xine origionally.. i  prefer mplayer to wine
[04:41] <topyli> mophat: actually i don't recommend anything. i use muine myself
[04:41] <sJaM> and there is a bug with rar and file-roller
[04:41] <sJaM> as I remember right
[04:41] <erchache> on my system ht are enable
[04:41] <erchache> i need to install smp kernel no?
[04:42] <topyli> mophat: too subjective to decide for other people
[04:42] <erchache> on /proc/cpuinfo ht flag are enable
[04:42] <h08817> is it possible to get bios updates b/c my comp gives me an error when trying to boot to cd?
[04:42] <erchache> but only appears one cpu
[04:42] <mophat> hehe
[04:42] <mophat> i hear that
[04:42] <VirtuallN2> argh. right. nobody knows :)
[04:42] <mophat> [=
[04:42] <nerdgirl> having trouble configuring screen resolution.  Have a Samsung SyncMaster 175v LCD monitor and Intel i845GL chipset (shared memory).  My /var/log/Xorg.0.log is <a href="http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/590">here</a>
[04:42] <h08817> have a great day virtuallN2
[04:42] <reka> blmartin777: install unrar.....or unrar-nonfree if unrar can't handle it
[04:43] <VirtuallN2> u 2 :)
[04:43] <reka> sJaM: iirc, file-roller can't open .rar files by default.
[04:43] <h08817> if i could install linux it would be great
[04:43] <sJaM> well unrar is on the system
[04:43] <sJaM> it has to use rar -E
[04:43] <sJaM> and therefore you have to install the non-free rar package
[04:43] <sJaM> sudo apt-get install rar
[04:44] <nerdgirl> I've gone through xorgcfg and xorgconfig, I have the horizontal and vertical sync ranges imput precisely according to ddcprobe and the monitor's specs.
[04:44] <sJaM> so it is a bug that though you have unrar on your system, file-roller cannot extract rar files
[04:45] <dylan_> how do i change color depth?
[04:45] <mophat> nerdgirl, 715v ?
[04:45] <nerdgirl> and my lovely monitor is stuck at 640x480
[04:45] <reka> or unrar-nonfree
[04:45] <nerdgirl> 175v
[04:45] <sJaM> and rar is in multiverse
[04:45] <reka> !tell nerdgirl about fixres
[04:45] <sJaM> don't know about unrar-nonfree
[04:45] <mophat> esound plugin mplayer, beep link
[04:45] <leroj> what do i need to make beep play mp3's?
[04:45] <snowblink> Does anyone know when shipit will ship the CDs?
[04:46] <bedwards> I got mine in about 4 weeks
[04:46] <reka> leroj: change the ouput plugin in prefs to esound
[04:46] <leroj> ok
[04:46] <reka> snowblink: ~10 weeks for me here in aus
[04:46] <dylan_> does anybody know how i can change color depth so my laptop screen doesnt look so bright?
[04:46] <nerdgirl> fixres?  you'll have to go through this step by step with me.  It's been a while since I messed with linux because this system has given me a hard time with display consistantly.
[04:46] <snowblink> reka, bedwards you already received?
[04:46] <blmartin777> can I change the gtk1 theme in gnome?
[04:47] <mophat> xmms2 eh hrm
[04:47] <reka> dylan_: er, how would changing colour depth fix that?   wouldn't that just give you more/less colours?
[04:47] <bedwards> yes got mine a few days ago
[04:47] <anacron> what is xmms2?
[04:47] <mophat> beep mplayer2
[04:47] <reka> snowblink: i gave up and burned the ISO ;P
[04:47] <bedwards> I just order 10, they are quite nice.  Big thanks to the Ubuntu folks for doing that.
[04:47] <mophat> xmms2 that never came out
[04:47] <anacron> i mean, what difference is there between xmms2 and xmms
[04:47] <tanki> in the old days laptops used to have contrast/brightness dials on the exterior
[04:47] <bedwards> I burned a copy as well, but that are nice to had out to friends, I kept one for me:)
[04:48] <anacron> tanki: you forgot the GOOD old days
[04:48] <anacron> :)
[04:48] <reka> nerdgirl: ok, post your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to the pastebin in the topic
[04:48] <anto9us> dylan_: on my laptop I can change brightness by pressing fn and up or down arrow
[04:48] <emanuelez> hello
[04:48] <eruin> anyone having issues with nautilus in breezy ?
[04:48] <bedwards> anyone doing dvd work on ubuntu?
[04:49] <snowblink> oh - I just wanted some to give out, but they still have not shipped them. Warty shipped much more promptly
[04:49] <emanuelez> i can't install gnuplot-x11... it says it has wrong md5 value. any hint?
[04:49] <tanki> bedwards, they also make good weapons, i always carry ubuntu cd's in my backpack incase i run into an MSCE on the street, i throw them ninja style
[04:49] <tanki> anacron, :)
[04:49] <bedwards> that's cool tanki
[04:50] <Jowi> anacron, biggest difference is that xmms2's got a server version allowing multiple guis :-) see http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/index.php/Main_Page
[04:50] <bedwards> Yesterday I was in a conf meeting and folks were discussing ad-ware, anti-virus, etc.  I just said you know you could just install Ubuntu and be done.
[04:50] <teferi> it's more complicated than that and you know it...
[04:50] <reka> bedwards: lol.  what did they say?
[04:50] <anacron> Jowi: okay
[04:51] <h08817> ok i got a question
[04:51] <bedwards> ya your right.  It's all political, the functionality is there.
[04:51] <emanuelez> what can i do about an md5 problem with apt-get?
[04:51] <emanuelez> i just did apt-get update
[04:51] <h08817> if u take out a harddrive from a computer and put another one in and install linux on it  and then put the other hd back in does the hardrive u just put back in work properly if it is not linux?
[04:51] <nerdgirl> xorg.conf: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/592
[04:51] <reka> emanuelez: sounds like somethings up with your repo list
[04:52] <mophat> esound in mplayer.. plz last question i swear
[04:52] <tanki> bedwards, it's a double edged sword there because if linux had the clientbase that windows has, you can bet your bottom dollar there would be more nastyware(trojans, varients, etc) made for it
[04:52] <luzbelito> how can i burn .MDS file into ubuntu ??? k3b doesnt recognizes it
[04:52] <emanuelez> reka: it's the standard one in ubuntuguide
[04:52] <reka> nerdgirl: run this please: sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange
[04:52] <reka> emanuelez: no wonder
[04:52] <reka> !ubuntuguide
[04:52] <ubotu> methinks ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[04:52] <Toby> Hi all - newbie here (today!)  Can anyone talk me through installing a prog I have on a second hd?
[04:52] <emanuelez> reka: any hint?
[04:52] <reka> emanuelez: probably BP
[04:52] <reka> backports
[04:52] <mophat> my neck hurts
[04:52] <emanuelez> mmm;; let me comment those
[04:53] <reka> emanuelez: good idea. :)
[04:53] <bedwards> what's the prog toby?
[04:53] <luzbelito> how can i burn .MDS file into ubuntu ??? k3b doesnt recognizes it
[04:53] <Toby> skype and it has a deb extension
[04:53] <blmartin777> How do I change gtk1 themes
[04:53] <anto9us> tanki: but the software distribution model is much safer distributions like ubuntu, all my software comes from the repositories, it's unlikely for viruses/spyware to infultrate those isn't it?
[04:53] <eruin> how do you make nautilus spit out debug info?
[04:53] <bedwards> what prog is it toby?
[04:53] <nerdgirl> 30-81, 56-75
[04:53] <Toby> Skype
[04:54] <topyli> Toby: sudo dpkg -i skype-XXXXXXX.deb
[04:54] <emanuelez> reka: nope... did apt-get update but i still have the same error
[04:54] <reka> nerdgirl: and what res do you want?
[04:54] <nerdgirl> Same as the manufacturer specs that I've been punching in manually
[04:54] <nerdgirl> 1280x1024
[04:54] <tanki> anto9us, ubuntu like debian uses a centralized distribution method i believe
[04:54] <Toby> ok - but how do I switch to the second hd to get at it?
[04:54] <h08817> how do i get a bios flash update?
[04:54] <reka> nerdgirl: k, hang on
[04:54] <nerdgirl> thanks reka
[04:54] <anto9us> tanki: and is therefore much safer, regardless of user base?
[04:55] <tanki> a while back wasn't there an apt repo compromised, net-tools package or something was compromised
[04:55] <topyli> Toby: is it mounted? can you see it in the file manager?
[04:55] <Will_> Toby: To get at it? Explain what you mean
[04:55] <bedwards> You want to install it on the other HD?
[04:55] <anacron> h08817: from your motherboard manufactor
[04:55] <h08817> o my
[04:55] <Toby> Not mounted and I just want to install it on the main one
[04:55] <Toby> It was "stored" on the other hd
[04:55] <h08817> anacron: can it be downloaded or do i need a new motherboard?
[04:55] <topyli> Toby: how is the disk formatted?
[04:56] <anacron> h08817: amm, that's what i ment, it can be downloaded
[04:56] <Toby> It's an ex-XP disk and is formatted in NTFS
[04:56] <topyli> ok
[04:56] <h08817> anacron: good but i have looked all over my motherboard and I downloaded cpu-z and i still don't know 100% sure who my manufacturer is
[04:56] <reka> nerdgirl: do you know how to overwrite a file?
[04:56] <nerdgirl> not sure I do.
[04:56] <h08817> anacron: that computer is kinda old
[04:57] <mophat> do i have to re compile MPlayer after installing libasound2-dev for ALSA support, and is alsa support what i need
[04:57] <anacron> h08817: i should read in your motherboard somewhere :)
[04:57] <reka> nerdgirl: nevermind.....sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:57] <topyli> Toby: is it the second disk? D or E or what in Windows terms?
[04:57] <anto9us> tanki: even if things do get compromised it's open to peer review and will be detected and corrected
[04:57] <anacron> h08817: not i, what am i talking about
[04:57] <nerdgirl> already have it open.
[04:57] <anacron> h08817: IT should read somewhere*
[04:57] <Toby> d:  (Ubuntu would therefore be on the equivalent of C:)
[04:58] <bedwards> toby - just go to: http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-deb
[04:58] <h08817> anacron: ok
[04:58] <langenberg> mm now X won't start (new kernel) "Fatal: module nvidia missing", I tried `apt-get remove nvidia* && apt-get install nividia-glx && nvidia-glx-config enable
[04:58] <Toby> OK thanks for that suggestion!  :-))
[04:58] <reka> nerdgirl: ok, delete everything
[04:58] <bedwards> toby - we can get you to the ntfs, but I'm not sure that makes sense
[04:58] <topyli> Toby: that would the easy way, yes :)
[04:58] <nerdgirl> reka: you sure?
[04:58] <reka> yep :)
[04:58] <h08817> anacron: one more thing if i take a hardrive out of a computer that has windows on it and i take it out and put a hd in and install linux on it and then take out the linux hd and put the windows one back in will the computer work?
[04:58] <reka> nerdgirl: then replace it with this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/594
[04:59] <reka> nerdgirl: i just entered your monitor rates which were missing
[04:59] <tanki> anto9us, true
[04:59] <Toby> I think it would be simpler to get it again.  Not sure what to do with it when I have though
[04:59] <reka> nerdgirl: in the "Monitor" section
[04:59] <topyli> Toby: anyway, you can mount the disk with something like "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt" to get root-only read-only access
[04:59] <anacron> h08817: it should work, yes
[04:59] <h08817> anacron: wasn't sure b/c of linux reading all drives and stuff like that and setting things up
[05:00] <h08817> anacron: maybe i'll just do that if i can't find a bios upgrade
[05:00] <topyli> Toby: once you have the package, you do "sudo dpkg -i filename.deb"
[05:00] <anacron> h08817: why you need an update?
[05:00] <mophat> uhg.. totem
[05:00] <reka> nerdgirl: after you've replaced it.  save the file, close, then restart X with a ctrl+alt+backspace
[05:00] <Toby> OK thanks for that info - will give it a try
[05:00] <h08817> anacron: b/c when i put in my ubuntu cd to install it i get a weird error
[05:01] <anacron> h08817: install from internet?
[05:01] <bedwards> are you cool toby?
[05:01] <h08817> anacron: how can i do that?
[05:01] <anacron> h08817: well that's not my area :D, ask someone else
[05:01] <h08817> anacron: i burned the iso image of ubuntu onto cd
[05:01] <Panzerboy> !info mono
[05:01] <ubotu> mono: (The Mono .NET development environment), section universe/interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.0.5-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
[05:01] <h08817> anacron: then tried to boot to it and got isolinux: extremely broken bios
[05:02] <devios> anyone know if/when gaim will ever get transparencey support?
[05:02] <nerdgirl> alright.  This'll probably bump me off, but I'll be back in a moment.
[05:02] <anacron> h08817: could it be that your cd is broken
[05:02] <h08817> anacron: no it can't because i can get it to boot on this computer right here
[05:02] <Garrison> nforce2 audio on my box was a bitch. nforce2 audio on sh0k's box isn't much better. :'(
[05:02] <h08817> anacron: so that is kinda why i was wondering if i could swap hd's for the moment
[05:02] <mophat> esound?
[05:02] <mophat> mplayer?
[05:02] <mophat> please hlp
[05:02] <mophat> lol
[05:03] <NerdGirl> reka: Thanks.  that did it.
[05:03] <anacron> h08817: well if i was you, i would definetly try that too
[05:03] <topyli> h08817: i seem to remember you should have a DOS boot disk and put the bios update on it. then run the update program
[05:03] <langenberg> How can I reinstall the nvidia drivers when I've installed a new (stock) kernel?
[05:03] <Garrison> langenberg; modprobe nvidia
[05:03] <reka> NerdGirl: cool.  save the xorg.conf file somewhere
[05:03] <NerdGirl> will do.
[05:03] <topyli> h08817: different mobo makers probably have different methods
[05:03] <reka> NerdGirl: in case you resintall, you can just copy it over
[05:03] <langenberg> Garrison: that'll compile the drivers again?
[05:03] <Panzerboy> hey all
[05:03] <Garrison> langenberg; no that'll tell us if it's available
[05:04] <anacron> topyli: that's kinda hard if you don't have the bios image
[05:04] <Garrison> or loaded
[05:04] <reka> NerdGirl: instead of coming back here ;)
[05:04] <langenberg> root@tails:~ # modprobe nvidia
[05:04] <langenberg> FATAL: Module nvidia not found.
[05:04] <langenberg> It's not ;)
[05:04] <Panzerboy> any idea if there is a package containing the perl module XML::Parser?
[05:04] <Garrison> okay..
[05:04] <weiers> Hi. Our IT guy got me a new pentium 4 computer. I installed windows on one harddrive and then I installed a second harddrive for ubuntu. The ubuntu installation went fine. I asked it to install GRUB on the master boot record. But when I restart, it boots directly into windows xp without an option. How can I set up GRUB to see ubuntu on the other hard drive?\
[05:04] <reka> NerdGirl: but the gist of it wast that your monitor wasn't configured properly at install
[05:04] <h08817> anacron: ur sure that it won't hurt my windows to take it out and put another hd in to install linux and then remove it
[05:04] <benjaminwr> does anyone know why gdesklets page has been down for so long?
[05:04] <topyli> anacron: i'm probably confused, but that would be placed on the dos floppy i guess...
[05:04] <Garrison> langenberg; do you still have the installer?
[05:05] <NerdGirl> reka: I'll have to look over what you changed, because I spent a couple hours messing with xorgconfig last night, and the thing registered that I was capable of the different video modes, but wouldn't actually allow me to change my resolution
[05:05] <devios> weiers: I did exactly what you are tlaking about and it worked fine.  hda = windowsxp, hdb=ubuntu.  grub installed to mbr on hda.
[05:05] <langenberg> I wanted to do it the 'debian-way', but if that won't work I'll use the one from nvidia.com
[05:05] <anacron> topyli: but he don't know what is his motherboard, so he can't possibly get one
[05:05] <topyli> ah well :)
[05:05] <anacron> topyli: so your going to copy your windows to other drive or what?
[05:05] <langenberg> Garrison: Isn't it apt-get'able ?
[05:05] <anacron> topyli: not you
[05:05] <Garrison> I believe so
[05:05] <weiers> devios, what can I do to troubleshoot it? I've now installed ubuntu twice?
[05:05] <anacron> i meant h08817
[05:05] <reka> NerdGirl: it wouldn't..
[05:05] <reka> NerdGirl: you did the right thing by puttin 1280 in there
[05:06] <devios> weiers: i dunno... is the grub boot menu not coming up?
[05:06] <h08817> anacron: no i have windows on this hd nad i want to take out the hd b/c i know this comptuer will boot to the linux cd
[05:06] <reka> NerdGirl: but without the rates (HorizSync  and  VertRefresh)
[05:06] <weiers> devios it does not come up at all.
[05:06] <reka> NerdGirl: it won't change
[05:06] <h08817> anacron: and i have a different hd i want linux on
[05:06] <Garrison> langenberg; i believe os
[05:06] <Garrison> so*
[05:06] <reka> NerdGirl: cos it chooses the safest res....640x480
[05:06] <devios> weiers: then it's not being installed to the mbr of hda
[05:06] <NerdGirl> reka: thing is, I kept giving it the rates.  but it never wrote them to the file, even though I kept telling it to .
[05:06] <h08817> anacron: i just wanted to know for sure that when i remove that linux hd and put the windows on back in if windows will still work
[05:07] <weiers> Is it possible that I somehow installed the harddrives wrong
[05:07] <weiers> ?
[05:07] <anacron> h08817: of course it will
[05:07] <h08817> ok just checking
[05:07] <langenberg> Garrison: I don't remember if I used apt-get or the nvidia-installer when I setup that box. Now I just changed the kernel, and the module can't be found (like duh :P).
[05:07] <anacron> h08817: or it should, you can't be ever sure with pc's (like with mac you can)
[05:07] <Garrison> you could manually place the files where they belong.
[05:07] <weiers> devios, is there a way for me to just install GRUB without installing the whole ubuntu?
[05:08] <h08817> anacron: but then will my linux will it work in another computer or will it just not work b/c settings will be different from its installation computer?
[05:08] <Garrison> langenberg; do a  'locate nvidia' and copy everything from the old kernel dir, into the new one, and edit the config files it made
[05:08] <devios> weiers: yeah... it's likely that you are installing grub to hdb or hdb1 instead of hda (Where windows ntfs partition is hda1)  it's also possible that you forgot to make hdb1 bootable (your ubuntu /boot partition)
[05:08] <anacron> h08817: youll have to check out what it will say
[05:08] <jono> anyone know how to take a screenshot that includes the mouse cursor, or, anyone know where the hand mouse cursor in firefox is stored
[05:08] <reka> NerdGirl: imo, xorgconfig is dodgy anyway
[05:08] <Garrison> langenberg; but I'm really sorry, I dont have time right now, I've got a kernel I have to test and bug-fix. :-D
[05:08] <Garrison> later all
[05:08] <langenberg> Garrison: .. nah, I'll try the installer from nivida.com first.  :)
[05:08] <benjaminwr> does anyone know why I can't add any launchers to the GDESKLETS launchbar??
[05:08] <h08817> anacron: ok thanks for ur help i think i am going to try the "swap"
[05:09] <weiers> I'm quite sure I made my ubuntu / partion booteable
[05:09] <reka> NerdGirl: you're right though...if you input rates, it should have written them in
[05:09] <anacron> h08817: good luck
[05:09] <langenberg> Garrison: OK, well thank you for your time :)
[05:09] <h08817> thanks
[05:09] <NerdGirl> reka: now all I'll have to do is configure the side buttons on my mouse for back and forward on the browser.  Don't worry, I know I managed to do it with my old, dead trackball in Slackware once.
[05:09] <Garrison> langenberg; sorry i couldn't give more, if i did the kernel right, i'll be right back. :-D
[05:09] <reka> NerdGirl: righto then...good luck with that
[05:09] <devios> weiers: you could probably boot up into recovery mode from the cd, chroot into your ubuntu environment, then install grub manually, but I think you should probably just reinstall until you get it right to avoid nuking your winblows installation
[05:10] <Skrot> Hi. I
[05:10] <Skrot> err
[05:10] <Will_> HARRY POTTER!!
[05:10] <Will_> <-Giggles
[05:10] <devios> HAIRY POOPER!
[05:10] <reka> NerdGirl: maybe you didn't run xorgconfig as sudo.....so you didn't have permission to overwrite the old one
[05:11] <NerdGirl> I ran it as sudo.
[05:11] <benjaminwr> does anyone know why I can't add any launchers to the GDESKLETS launchbar??
[05:11] <chaps0063> hello all.
[05:11] <weiers> devios the only option I get when installing ubutu is to install grub with a reference to Windows and Ubuntu. So the only thing that I could possibly try to change is the partitioning. Do you think it is likely that that will help... then I will do it
[05:11] <Skrot> I've got some problems with sound: I've got two soundcards (one built-in, one Creative card using emu10k1). I've defined the emu10k1 card as default in alsa (/etc/asound.conf), and it's the one that's found in alsamixer. But I don't get any sound from it.. where do I start to debug? Playing files with aplay don't give any errors..
[05:11] <reka> NerdGirl: ah.  i'd avoid using it anyway.  in my experience in adds a lot of extra stuff.   best to just tweak the default one ubuntu gives you
[05:12] <Skrot> PCM and Master is not muted btw.
[05:12] <reka> crimsun: ping
[05:12] <devios> weiers: I am not the person to rely on for that decision - I have /dev/hda MBR = grub, /dev/hda1 = ntfs, /dev/hdb1=/boot (bootable), /dev/hdb2=swap, and /dev/hdb3=/
[05:12] <weiers> devios, just a question, I now have one of these new motherboards that uses a very thin red connector to link up to the harddrive (ATA?) on which windows is. But my Ubuntu harddrive is still on one of the thick IDE cables, shared with the DVD-rom. (Jumper set to cable select)... those settings won't have anything effect on the booting and instalilgn of grub.
[05:13] <reka> Skrot: you can ask crimsun when he's active.....he's #ubuntu's sound guru
[05:13] <Toby> It says there is no such file or folder ...
[05:13] <bedwards> serial ata
[05:13] <devios> weiers: that means your windows disk is SATA and it's probably /dev/sda and your ubuntu is probably /dev/hda or /dev/hdb...
[05:14] <weiers> devios, it think you are right
[05:15] <NerdGirl> reka: anyway, thanks a lot!
[05:15] <devios> weiers: SATA = small red = Serial-ATA = SCSI = sdx...    PATA = wide ide ribbon cable = Parallel-ATA/EIDE = IDE = hdx
[05:15] <devios> weiers: so you need to install grub to MBR of /dev/sda
[05:16] <reka> NerdGirl: no probs
[05:16] <reka> NerdGirl: liking ubuntu so far?
[05:16] <NerdGirl> as long as I'm here, anyone have any luck getting a Tungsten E to work in ubuntu?  Haven't had much luck trying to work palms in linux in the past, but if I can get it to work, I might be able to ditch XP almost entirely.
[05:16] <NerdGirl> reka: now that I can see more of it, yeah.
[05:16] <reka> lol
[05:16] <weiers> devios, I just never soo a MBR partition for /dev/sda... It has a a NTFS partition on which I have windows system installed and a FAT32 partition for data and some undefined space, which I have nto been able to get rid of.
[05:16] <midg3t> I seem to have killed the trusted keys in apt, every time i run apt-get update I get the following...
[05:16] <midg3t> bzip2: Data integrity error when decompressing.
[05:17] <midg3t> That's for the hoary/universe packages
[05:17] <midg3t> grabbed from au.archive or archive, turned off my transparent squid cache and get the same result
[05:17] <weiers> devios soo = saw
[05:18] <reka> NerdGirl: search ubuntuforums.org for topics while you wait
[05:18] <NerdGirl> reka: One of the best things is that it picked up all my sound settings out of the box.  Never did quite work out sound with Slack.
[05:18] <weiers> Anyway, I wall try to reinstall, and hopefully I don't have to come ask again. Greetings
[05:19] <devios> weiers: /dev/sda = MBR, /dev/sda1 = NTFS, /dev/sda2 = fat32 ?
[05:19] <reka> NerdGirl: that's good....a few people have had probs with sound
[05:19] <devios> weiers: /dev/sda is actually the whole physical disk, but the first sector of /dev/sda = MBR
[05:20] <langenberg> ERROR: Unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel.  Please make sure you have installed the kernel source
[05:20] <langenberg>          files for your kernel;
[05:20] <NerdGirl> reka: I know I've seen a lot of sound problems with other distros.
[05:20] <devios> weiers:  /dev/sda1 starts about 63 sectors into sda
[05:20] <langenberg> ... apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 isn't suffient?
[05:20] <devios> weiers: actually, the partition table starts there (63)
[05:20] <weiers> devios I will try again and then see what happens. I do not remember seeing a /sda and a /sda1, But I will go and check. If there is a /dev/sda - must I do something to its partitioning to be able to run Grub - or must I just try to point GRUB to it?
[05:20] <Phinite> I'm having a problem with my wireless and WPA.  how can I get a list of other SSID's in range and attempt to connect to one of them, just to test everything else?
[05:21] <devios> weiers: i think you need to install grub to /dev/sda
[05:21] <midg3t> even after completely removing /var/lib/apt/lists i still get the error. presumably there's a key i need to remove from /etc/apt/*.gpg, but i don't know how
[05:22] <midg3t> Err http://au.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[05:22] <midg3t>   Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[05:22] <weiers> thanks devios, I am going to try - all that I know is that ubuntu never asked me where grub should be installed to = it just said do you want to install grub to the master boot record. I wonder what will happen if I say no.
[05:22] <Toby> bedwards : I tried to run the command mentioned but it says there is no such file or folder (the file is on the desktop)
[05:23] <reka> weiers: er, it won't install it to the mbr ;)
[05:23] <weiers> :-) reka.... will it then boot into Windows or into Ubuntu next time?
[05:23] <Garrison> kernel panic : VFS : unable to mount root filesystem  (yes, I appended root=/dev/sda1)
[05:23] <Garrison> any ideas
[05:23] <Skrot> Garrison: compiled new kernel?
[05:23] <Garrison> Skrot
[05:23] <Garrison> yes
[05:23] <weiers> reka - or will it ask me to install it somewhere else?
[05:23] <Skrot> Forgot support for your filesystem?
[05:23] <Skrot> :)
[05:24] <Garrison> Skrot; I think I forgot cramfs and VFS and whatnot
[05:24] <Garrison> Skrot; sucks too, because i was down to 100k :'(
[05:24] <midg3t> and scsi support too... though i guess that probably comes by default
[05:24] <Skrot> Then thats probably it :p
[05:24] <devios> weiers: what's probably happening is that ubuntu considers /dev/hda as disk1 and windows and your system's bios considers /dev/sda as disk1, so ubuntu is installing grub to /dev/hda MBR, so your bios isn't finding it.  instead, your bios is finding the windows bootloader code on /dev/sda MBR
[05:24] <reka> weiers: honestly...dunno, probably would ask you
[05:24] <Skrot> Boot from a rescue-disc and recompile the kernel again with built-in support for the filesystem your rootpartition uses
[05:25] <spike> hi
[05:25] <weiers> devious... I won't be surprised if that is the case... Now I wonder how I could change it.
[05:25] <Garrison> Skrot; it's Ext3, which was built into the kernel
[05:25] <spike> I'm havin issues with ubuntu and latex
[05:26] <spike> I was working on this tex on debian sid, and everything was working fine. here the tex compiles but then dvipdf/ps whatever doesnt work
[05:26] <spike> and even watching the dvi with xdvi boombs
[05:26] <devios> anyone know if you can change the disk to which ubuntu installs grub via some advanced grub configuration or something?  weiers may have identified a 'problem' with the ubuntu install process...
[05:26] <hybrid_goth> how do you open and change tabs in w3m
[05:26] <devios> weiers: you may HAVE to manually install grub...
[05:27] <reka> spike: using the executables in tetex-bin
[05:27] <reka> ?
[05:27] <reka> or a different latex package?
[05:27] <spike> reka: tetex-bin, yes
[05:27] <devios> weiers: I bet if you disconnect /dev/sda, you'll be able to boot into ubuntu...
[05:27] <Garrison> "Bush talking about business is kinda like having a leper give you a facial, it doesn't really work.." -- Robin Williams
[05:28] <spike> reka: I've just installed ^latex*, so I got everything I think
[05:28] <weiers> Thanks
[05:28] <reka> spike: any error messages?  or it just crashes?
[05:29] <spike> reka: read above, "here the tex compiles but then dvipdf/ps whatever doesnt work"
[05:29] <spike> reka: I got no errors compiling the take, but non of the apps will open the dvi/pdf/ps
[05:29] <spike> reka: I can't convert it to anything, and xdvi crashes too
[05:30] <reka> so something like pdflatex produces an "unreadable" file
[05:30] <leroj> http://home.no/mrleroj/party-lemur.jpg
[05:31] <langenberg> Can anyone help me installing the nvidia drivers, I seem to have some problems.
[05:32] <langenberg> I need to re-install them, but there isn't any module made.
[05:32] <spike> reka: actually pdflatex works, but dvipdf and dvips don't
[05:32] <loftus> weiers: Can't you boot linux via cd or change bios boot order, then in linux run grub-install /dev/sda (or something similar)
[05:33] <frodo24> hello
[05:33] <Di42lo> why doesnt ubuntu update the kernel between the versions ?
[05:33] <frodo24> is me or mdk-frodo
[05:34] <frodo24> i just installed ubuntu but i can't log as root
[05:34] <frodo24> what is the default code?
[05:34] <reka> Di42lo: not sure what you mean, but hoary has been frozen...security updates only
[05:34] <reka> !tell frodo24 about rootsudo
[05:34] <frodo24> password is rootsudo?
[05:34] <frodo24> for root
[05:35] <ed1t> no
[05:35] <frodo24> what is it?
[05:35] <reka> spike: dunno..is pdf satisfactory?
[05:35] <midg3t> frodo24: there is no root password by default
[05:35] <reka> frank: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RootSudo
[05:35] <midg3t> use the account you set up
[05:35] <NerdGirl> real quick question (shows what a n00b I am): want to update firefox to 1.0.5.  How to I sudo the installer so I can install to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox ?
[05:35] <Di42lo> reka: i mean that hoary 5.02 untill 5.02 still have 2.6.10-5-386 ...
[05:35] <reka> frodo24: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RootSudo
[05:35] <reka> sorry frank :)
[05:35] <midg3t> NerdGirl: sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:35] <Di42lo> reka: 5.04*
[05:36] <reka> 5.02?
[05:36] <frodo24> why does it install a lot of packages ? and what program do u use as dialer?
[05:36] <spike> reka: sort of, I tend to prefer dvipdf output.
[05:37] <Di42lo> reka: 5.02 untill 5.04
[05:37] <reka> midg3t: 1.0.5 isn't in main/uni/multi
[05:37] <snuffy> why do i get a couple of consoles, help, and music player starting each time i logon? and also i have to manually start nautilus, otherwise i can't right click the desktop, or have a desktop background or icons?
[05:37] <snuffy> i'm a noobie
[05:37] <midg3t> right
[05:37] <reka> Di42lo: dunno...never knew there was a 5.02 release :-/
[05:38] <midg3t> i thought all the important bits of 1.0.5 were backported to 1.0.4
[05:38] <reka> spike: dunno really
[05:38] <Di42lo> reka: anyways...why dont they update the kernel ?
[05:38] <NerdGirl> midg3t: doesn't think I need an upgrade for anything.
[05:38] <spike> reka: np.
[05:38] <Di42lo> reka: if i would try to update the kernel i would have kernel panic
[05:38] <reka> spike: maybe try a different latex system from tetex
[05:39] <msieradzki> intersting topic
[05:39] <frodo24> is my 1st user a root?
[05:39] <msieradzki> X is broken in breezy, why i am writing this in X in breezy? :D
[05:39] <reka> frodo24: read the page i sent you
[05:39] <midg3t> here's my problem. http://rafb.net/paste/results/BWs6Lw40.html
[05:39] <mile> hy
[05:39] <zenlunatic> does ubunntu repositories  have non-free software?
[05:39] <frodo24> ok
[05:39] <kbrooks> The Java page is now completely revamped.
[05:40] <msieradzki> when transition in x.org will be finished?
[05:40] <reka> msieradzki: you can ask Seveas when he drops by ;)
[05:40] <midg3t> zenlunatic: universe does
[05:40] <midg3t> (i think)
[05:40] <msieradzki> thx
[05:40] <kbrooks> !java
[05:40] <ubotu> [java]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[05:40] <tanki> i hope when breezy goes stable they keep the name
[05:40] <kbrooks> Now, there are only 2 methods.
[05:41] <kbrooks> Can you guess who did it?
[05:41] <ed1t> !tell ed1t about java
[05:42] <kbrooks> reka: Right.
[05:42] <reka> hehe
[05:42] <reka> interesting...options are backports or warty
[05:42] <kbrooks> Did I satisfy the newbies and power users?
[05:44] <reka> not being a java user....i'll admit i still like seveas' simple instructions: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[05:44] <kbrooks> you sure?
[05:44] <NerdGirl> how do I run the firefox installer with root privledges?
[05:44] <NerdGirl> can't spell
[05:44] <reka> not really...i'm not a java user...so my opinions are moot
[05:44] <reka> :)
[05:45] <kbrooks> NerdGirl, sudo
[05:45] <kbrooks> use sudo.
[05:45] <NerdGirl> specifically how?
[05:45] <Garrison> sudo command
[05:45] <NerdGirl> go to the directory and sudo then the file name?
[05:45] <reka> NerdGirl: what format does the installer come in?
[05:45] <NerdGirl> bin
[05:45] <frodo24> ok so i sudo xyz program but still i don't know what password i made or if i didn't made what's the default one
[05:46] <reka> frodo24: it's *your* user password
[05:46] <Garrison> frodo24; it's you're users password
[05:46] <ed1t> frodo24, the passwords the same as your user password
[05:46] <Garrison> your**
[05:46] <zer> I installed breezy on /dev/sda, when i boot it, it doesn't seem to recognize my other harddrive /dev/hda, although it showed /dev/hda on installation. Any ideas?!
[05:46] <frodo24> i c
[05:46] <reka> NerdGirl: sudo ./<filename>
[05:46] <frodo24> and is my 1st user a user or a super user?
[05:47] <frodo24> i c this distro is not like all others
[05:47] <NerdGirl> doesn't want to run it....  in the directory it's in, did sudo firefox-installer...  command not found
[05:47] <kbrooks> ubotu, sudopasswd is <reply>Don't know what the sudo password is? It's your password. Also, see RootSudo on the Ubuntu wiki.
[05:47] <ubotu> okay, kbrooks
[05:47] <mumbles> !sudo
[05:47] <ubotu> somebody said sudo was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:47] <kbrooks> !sudopasswd
[05:47] <ubotu> Don't know what the sudo password is? It's your password. Also, see RootSudo on the Ubuntu wiki.
[05:47] <Bubbling_Zombie> sudo ./firefox-installer NerdGirl
[05:47] <NerdGirl> tried that already.  just get "command not found.
[05:48] <kbrooks> ubotu, sudopasswd is <reply>Don't know what the sudo password is? It's your first user's password. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:48] <ubotu> ...but sudopasswd is already something else...
[05:48] <ce33na> zer: is it listed in /etc/fstab
[05:48] <zer> ce33na: sure, but in /dev there is nothing about hda*
[05:48] <frodo24> and what program i use as dialer?
[05:48] <reka> NerdGirl: need to use ./ to run an executable in the current directory
[05:48] <kbrooks> ubotu, forget sudopasswd
[05:48] <ubotu> kbrooks: i forgot sudopasswd
[05:48] <kbrooks> ubotu, sudopasswd is <reply>Don't know what the sudo password is? It's your first user's password. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:48] <ubotu> okay, kbrooks
[05:48] <reka> NerdGirl: not sure you should be running it using sudo anyway
[05:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> reka, you should if you wanted to make a system-wide install
[05:48] <ionte> hi. i just upgraded to breezy. a lot of packages depends on xdpyinfo etc, but there is no such package...?
[05:48] <kbrooks> reka: firefox
[05:48] <langenberg> How do I install the nvidia module? apt-get install nvidia-glx does not work.
[05:49] <kbrooks> ionte, /topic
[05:49] <NerdGirl> It won't install in the usual directory if I don't use sudo.
[05:49] <kbrooks> langenberg, rafb.net/paste
[05:49] <ionte> kbrooks, i guessed so. still, no workarounds?
[05:49] <reka> Bubbling_Zombie: ah, ok
[05:49] <langenberg> kbrooks: ?
[05:49] <reka> kbrooks: ?
[05:49] <anto9us> kbrooks: that's not true, I think it's the current users password provided they have administrator privelages
[05:49] <langenberg> kbrooks: paste whot?
[05:49] <Bubbling_Zombie> langenberg, module for x or module for the kernel
[05:50] <kbrooks> langenberg, the apt output.
[05:50] <langenberg> Bubbling_Zombie: I think I'll need both. X doesn't start (nvidia module missing).
[05:51] <langenberg> kbrooks: nvidia-glx is already the newest version. :)
[05:51] <Bubbling_Zombie> did the apt-get install nvidia-glx install something? or is the package not there
[05:51] <Bubbling_Zombie> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable ?
[05:51] <CountDown> So, someone told me yesterday that /dev/lp0 was a parallel port, but I'm starting to think it's something higher level than that related to printing.  Does anyone know how to create a parallel port device or install the proper module to do so?
[05:52] <langenberg> Bubbling_Zombie: I've done that all the time, but still the module can't be found.
[05:52] <Bubbling_Zombie> which module - the kernel module or the X module -__
[05:52] <zer> ce33na: So you don't have any idea about my problem?
[05:54] <langenberg> Bubbling_Zombie: X prints the error "FATAL: module nvidia cannot be found"
[05:55] <teferi> anyone using evolution and evolution-exchange in breezy and finding that evolution-exchange doesn't seem to work anymore?
[05:56] <Bubbling_Zombie> did you try modprobin' the nvidia module?
[05:56] <ce33na> zer: sorry..no
[05:57] <Bubbling_Zombie> the module is in the "restricted modules" package of your kernel.
[06:00] <langenberg> Bubbling_Zombie: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-k7 - Non-free Linux 2.6.10 modules on AMD K7, these? (yes I have the K7 kernel)
[06:00] <Bubbling_Zombie> if you have the 2.6.10 kernel yes
[06:01] <Bubbling_Zombie> (you can find out that with uname -a )
[06:01] <langenberg> Bubbling_Zombie: and after that, a reboot will be suffient?
[06:02] <Bubbling_Zombie> you don't even have to do that
[06:02] <Bubbling_Zombie> :)
[06:02] <Bubbling_Zombie> just do (on a terminal) "modprobe nvidia"
[06:02] <Bubbling_Zombie> and try starting X
[06:02] <langenberg> Seems the nvidia module can be found :D
[06:02] <Bubbling_Zombie> great
[06:02] <Bubbling_Zombie> try starting x :F
[06:03] <tanki> yeah you should never be in x when you're messing with graphic drivers
[06:03] <Bubbling_Zombie> why not tanki?
[06:03] <Bubbling_Zombie> it's not like they're gona modprobe themselves -_-
[06:03] <tanki> Bubbling_Zombie, you should have them loaded before you start x
[06:04] <Bubbling_Zombie> yeah, ok, but upgrading them shouldn't be an issue. Just remove them and prob 'em again
[06:04] <tanki> for the same reason you shouldn't force an unmount when you're doing stuff in the directory that's mounted
[06:05] <CountDown> anyone know how to get direct programmatic control of the parallel port pins?
[06:05] <will__> humm
[06:05] <langenberg> Bubbling_Zombie: Ah thanks man!
[06:05] <langenberg> Bubbling_Zombie: X started properly.
[06:05] <Bubbling_Zombie> tanki, of course it's safer. But it isn't absolutely nec. if you know what you're doing
[06:05] <Bubbling_Zombie> nice
[06:05] <Bubbling_Zombie> be sure to add the module to your startup modules
[06:06] <reka> CountDown: OOI, what exactly are you trying to do?
[06:06] <langenberg> It's going fine, damn, I find myself typing 'emerge' all the time on that box :P
[06:06] <Bubbling_Zombie> lol, know the problem langenberg - i switched to debian and found out the sude program isn't installed standard
[06:06] <tanki> Bubbling_Zombie, when dealing with nvidia drivers, you never know
[06:06] <Bubbling_Zombie> i was sudo'ing away merrily all the time ^-^
[06:07] <reka> will__: don't know the words?
[06:07] <tanki> can throw a seasoned user through a loop sometimes
[06:07] <CountDown> reka: I'm trying to use a Macraigor 20-pin Wiggler (a device used to program and debug JTAG enabled microcontrollers) using Rowley's CrossStudio for ARM.
[06:07] <Bubbling_Zombie> tanki, sure.
[06:07] <tanki> i dont use it anymore so i'm happy
[06:07] <CountDown> reka: However, it seems that the parallel port is either tied up or doesn't exist.  Is /dev/lp0 the parallel port?
[06:08] <will__> reka: something like that!
[06:08] <Bubbling_Zombie> heh. I'm quite happy about my nvidia drivers/card. It beats radeon -_-
[06:08] <sh0k> hi
[06:08] <tanki> something unsettling about pluggin in a binary only closed source driver into the depths of a sleek open source enviornment that kept me up at night, sweating perfusely in the fetal position
[06:08] <tanki> hehe :)
[06:09] <reka> CountDown: dunno really....i just asked cos the questions you were asking seemed rather technical to my feeble mind :)
[06:09] <jasontech> I believe lp0 is the parallel port... maybe you don't have access to it?
[06:10] <reka> tanki: i guess i'm the only one who doesn't really mind using nonfree stuff. :-/
[06:10] <CountDown> reka: Basically, I'm having device driver issues.  I'd like to be able to use cat on a parallel port in the same way it can be used with a serial port (e.g. /dev/ttyS0).
[06:10] <tanki> reka, dont get me wrong, i'm not a purist or anything
[06:11] <jasontech> CountDown: I don't think you can do that with a parallel port... I think they use a different language or something like that
[06:11] <reka> tanki: no....i just think it's my windows upbringing...i can't really see anything that wrong with not releasing the accompanying code
[06:11] <CountDown> jasontech: That's what I thought, too.  I "sudo chmod 666 /dev/lp0" 'ed it, but then all I got was a port busy error from the program I was using and an input/output error from cat.
[06:11] <tanki> reka, truth be told, the windows versions of vid drivers, especially for higher end cards are more developed than the linux versions so thats why i gave up messing with it in linux and just got a separate box that runs windows on it strictly for high performance gaming ownage :)
[06:11] <benkong2> what does it mean when I get a mandb: warning /usr/share/man/man1/oofice2.1.gz is a dangling symlink from a daily cron job?
[06:11] <CountDown> jasontech: Yeah, you might be right.  I guess that's why they call it a parallel port.  :)
[06:12] <CountDown> jasontech: However, I noticed that /dev/lp0 appears and disappears with the loading and unloading of the lp module.
[06:12] <Bubbling_Zombie> tanki, but what about transparent toolbars :sop: :')
[06:12] <langenberg> Bubbling_Zombie: I still don't know the equivalent of rc-update (gentoo) and chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.* (slack) for debian.
[06:12] <jasontech> Thats why you don't see many parallel port devices, and they always need strange drivers
[06:12] <jasontech> if you are having cabling trouble, I know they have 9 pin to 25 pin adapters
[06:13] <Bubbling_Zombie> update-rc.d
[06:13] <Bubbling_Zombie> langenberg
[06:13] <CountDown> jasontech: lsmod reveals that I have lp, parport, and parport_pc modules loaded.
[06:14] <tanki> Bubbling_Zombie, it's always been a struggle because linux is so perfect for the desktop compared to windows, and some might say even osx.. so it's only natural that we would want to game on it with the same advantage but sadly that wont happen, not with intellectual property rights and big lawyers
[06:14] <langenberg> Bubbling_Zombie: ah, thanks again.
[06:14] <Bubbling_Zombie> yeah, but i'm not talking about games.
[06:14] <reka> Bubbling_Zombie: actually...i saw an xp dekstop that wasn't bad today: http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/686/windowsdesktop1mj.jpg (courtesy of Tiago)
[06:14] <Bubbling_Zombie> hell, i use windows myself for gaming. but i still like to use all of the available power of my computer when i'm using another operating system
[06:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> pretty ^-^
[06:15] <tanki> yeah
[06:15] <jasontech> CountDown: I am not saying you don't have a parallel port, I am just saying that I think the way they communicate is different
[06:15] <topyli> benkong2: i get those sometimes too. i just remove them :)
[06:15] <Heimdall_linux> is there a gnuplot master in the room ? or is there a gnuplot channel on irc ?
[06:15] <jasontech> Like the special parallel port drivers for sane
[06:15] <tanki> what games do you like to play
[06:16] <Bubbling_Zombie> GTA, NWN (use linux for that), Morrowind,
[06:16] <Bubbling_Zombie> used to be a COD player until the community went kaboom over here -_-
[06:16] <tanki> did you hear about that mini-game in GTA san adreas
[06:16] <reka> Heimdall_linux: why not just put the question out there...someone might pipe up.
[06:16] <Bubbling_Zombie> what mini game. There are so much mini games in that game :)
[06:16] <Heimdall_linux> reka, because it is a little difficult to explain ... :-/
[06:16] <tanki> hillary clinton is going to sue rockstar games if it turns out rockstar included the code for it
[06:17] <teferi> the one that you have to hack the game to see
[06:17] <teferi> she's not going to sue, she's not even going to put a bill on the floor about it
[06:17] <Bubbling_Zombie> ow _that_ mini game :)
[06:17] <teferi> it's all just posturing
[06:17] <teferi> i'll lay money on it
[06:17] <tanki> Bubbling_Zombie, there's a sex-game in there, u know when he meets his girlfriend
[06:17] <Aragorn_Guardian> hi all!
[06:17] <Bubbling_Zombie> yeah, i know
[06:17] <reka> Heimdall_linux: oh :)
[06:17] <Bubbling_Zombie> didn't know it was a game tho :D thought you were talking about the pool and things like that
[06:17] <jasontech> Anyone know of a good IRC server where I can talk about cars
[06:18] <jasontech> And what channel
[06:18] <Heimdall_linux> reka, yeah... :-/ this is why I asked for a master :)
[06:18] <crimsun> reka: pong
[06:18] <reka> crimsun: hehe
[06:19] <reka> Skrot: ping
[06:19] <reka> crimsun: Skrot had sound probs
[06:19] <tanki> Bubbling_Zombie: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4682533.stm lol
[06:19] <crimsun> reka: k
[06:19] <reka> crimsun: so i deferred him to you mighty sound guru. :)
[06:20] <crimsun> pssht ;)
[06:20] <Mad-boy> Anybody knows is there anx wap sites on linux?
[06:20] <Bubbling_Zombie> lol
[06:21] <Mad-boy> Nobody knows?
[06:21] <delire> nice and quiet in here, obviously everyone's stopped trying to upgrade to breezy prematurely ;)
[06:21] <topyli> Mad-boy: i'd like all sites to have a wap version. web is too painful on my phone :)
[06:22] <reka> delire: no such luck..few people with breezy troubles dropped by
[06:22] <reka> *a few
[06:22] <delire> reka: hehe
[06:22] <Mad-boy> Is breezy out yet?
[06:22] <topyli> heh
[06:22] <tanki> topyli, i ran into a cool site if you want the link, it's a good portal for surfing the web through your cell
[06:23] <jadugar> Mad-boy: breezy is currently in development
[06:23] <CountDown> reka, jasontech: Seems like I need to remove the lp module and add the ppdev module.  This creates the /dev/parport0 device.  In case you were wondering.  :)
[06:23] <topyli> tanki: web? ok, let's have a look
[06:23] <Mad-boy> I  want
[06:23] <Mad-boy> Link
[06:24] <reka> CountDown: well done
[06:24] <tanki> topyli, http://www.iyhy.com/
[06:24] <jasontech> Interesting... I'm not all familiar with parallel ports in Linux, never used them
[06:25] <benkong2> is there a apt-get search command or something similiar? I can't find anywhere in the docs that says so?
[06:25] <delire> jasontech: i'm pleased to have forgotten all about parports
[06:25] <tanki> topyli, strips out everything but text and links for better surfing on your cell phone plus it's free
[06:25] <reka> benkong2: apt-cache search
[06:25] <delire> benkong2: yes, apt-cache search <keyword>
[06:25] <topyli> tanki: nice layout
[06:25] <benkong2> reka; delire ; super thanks
[06:25] <jasontech> I stick to network printing
[06:25] <reka> benkong2: then apt-cache show <package>
[06:25] <delire> benkong2: then, once you have found a package, apt-cache show <packagename>
[06:25] <delire> reka: ;)
[06:26] <will__> repeat!
[06:26] <reka> delire: now that's teamwork
[06:26] <topyli> tanki: i have a large display (a nokia commie) though, but this may be fast too :)
[06:26] <jasontech> The only place I have used a tethered printer is in my truck, but that is USB
[06:26] <sh0k> crimsun: ur here?
[06:26] <crimsun> sh0k: ?
[06:26] <delire> reka: hehe, however you do realise the only reason you got in there first is due to network latency ;)
[06:26] <reka> delire: or plagiarism
[06:26] <sh0k> Garrison said me u know much about audio & linux
[06:27] <tanki> i find even on my large screen it takes forever to load a page
[06:27] <delire> reka: muarharhar..
[06:27] <reka> delire: not bloody likely....i'm on a dialup modem
[06:27] <crimsun> sh0k: I know a little
[06:27] <sh0k> u maybe can help me to get my nForce soundcard get workin?
[06:27] <will__> faster typing
[06:27] <delire> reka: ;) wifi in a bar here. ok you win.
[06:27] <jasontech> Anyone get a Dell Photo Printer 720 working in Linux?
[06:27] <reka> :)
[06:27] <jasontech> Ubuntu I mean
[06:27] <MilitantDK> Hi, Is there a mailinglist for ubuntu-users? I've found the sounder list, but don't know if that's the one to use?
[06:28] <delire> jasontech: i think that is supported by gimp-print. then http://localhost:631, add printer and see if you can find it in the list.
[06:28] <topyli> tanki: it works! thanks
[06:28] <delire> jasontech: http://localhost:631 might as well be aliased "Printer services". it's a good one-stop-shop for setting up and configuring printers, checking print jobs etc.
[06:29] <jasontech> Well, it is basically a Lexmark Z615... I could never make it work in Warty, but I have tried Hoary
[06:29] <jasontech> haven't tried I mean
[06:29] <jasontech> I've yet to put hoary on my lapto
[06:30] <pulk> has anyone idea why setting sensor limits fail on boot with reason "no sensors found"? it works well if I do it manually after boot.
[06:30] <delire> jasontech: things are pretty good for linux and printing these days. give it a try and let us know. see http://cups.org and check if it's in the list first however.
[06:30] <delire> pulk: perhaps it
[06:31] <delire> pulk: perhaps it's apm getting in the way or are you using acpi?
[06:31] <pulk> hmm
[06:31] <khimura27> hello
[06:31] <khimura27> is there a french on the channel?
[06:31] <delire> pulk: does seem odd..
[06:31] <pulk> i am using acpi
[06:31] <Will_> The French? Here?
[06:31] <Will_> *looks under a rock*
[06:31] <Bubbling_Zombie> no khimura27 , only english please :)
[06:31] <khimura27> ok
[06:31] <khimura27> it will be harder ...
[06:31] <Bubbling_Zombie> heh :)
[06:32] <Will_> I'm far too excited over harry potter today
[06:32] <mumbles> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/232514_msftarfa14.html
[06:32] <mumbles> mah
[06:32] <Bubbling_Zombie> i'm sure there is a french ubuntu channel somewhere. But don't ask me where
[06:32] <khimura27> lol
[06:32] <khimura27> thanks
[06:32] <delire> pulk: hmm perhaps it might be a good idea to put it in a /etc/init.d script (a bit annoying though). otherwise is there any interesting output in dmesg?
[06:32] <mumbles> yeh
[06:32] <reka> #ubuntu-fr
[06:32] <khimura27> do tou know where i could have some help about x window?
[06:32] <pulk> it is in an init script
[06:33] <khimura27> thnaks reka
[06:33] <khimura27> it works
[06:33] <delire> khimura27: reka's suggestion seems like a good idea. the channel is quite busy.
[06:33] <pulk> i edited the script so that it writes everything into a log but all I got was "no sensors found"
[06:33] <delire> pulk: try moving the script to another runlevel?
[06:33] <sJaM> #ubuntu-fr is the french channel
[06:33] <pulk> hmm
[06:33] <tanki> is today bastille day
[06:34] <pulk> that could do it
[06:34] <khimura27> i just a noob ...
[06:34] <khimura27> sorry all
[06:34] <khimura27> i'm moving
[06:34] <delire> khimura27: don't be sorry!
[06:34] <Bubbling_Zombie> you can even stay here !
[06:34] <Bubbling_Zombie> _AND_ go to the french channel :F
[06:35] <khimura27> lol
[06:35] <khimura27> why not
[06:35] <Will_> Why do people assume calling themselves new, newbs or noobs makes them more endearing? 
[06:35] <khimura27> can't understand ...
[06:35] <sJaM> because it is a good excuse
[06:35] <sJaM> to mess up
[06:35] <khimura27> my english is poor
[06:35] <sJaM> and do stupid things
[06:35] <khimura27> mess up?
[06:35] <khimura27> where is my dictionnary ^^
[06:35] <sJaM> what is a dictionnary ?
[06:36] <jasontech> Well, must go work on my gear box in my truck, adios
[06:36] <delire> khimura27: "mess up" == make mistakes (in english slang)
[06:36] <reka> jasontech: oy
[06:36] <Will_> Being new isn't an excuse. Asking for help is fine, and admitting a lack of understanding. But people seem to wear it as a badge, allowing them to be ignorant, and expecting hand holding
[06:36] <sJaM> or it wasn't ironically ment ?
[06:36] <sJaM> that what I ment Will_
[06:36] <tanki> if anybody grabs my hand i'm going to scream
[06:36] <khimura27> thanks delire
[06:37] <delire> khimura27: anytime
[06:37] <sJaM> but it is the lack of understanding I think of linux
[06:37] <tanki> i have intimacy issues
[06:37] <delire> what an intimate thing to say
[06:37] <khimura27> Will_>i'm new with linuk and ubuntu
[06:37] <sJaM> you don't know what to do
[06:37] <sh0k> hi, anyone can help me with setting my soundcard properly up? i got a nforce 2 sound card
[06:37] <khimura27> so i'm a noob
[06:37] <khimura27> no???
[06:37] <sJaM> and how to do things
[06:37] <benkong2> when i issue a route command I don't see localhost or 127.0.0.1 I do see my internal machine address of 192.168.1.70. I am trying to configure mail what did I do wrong?
[06:37] <sh0k> my ALSA isnt working properly
[06:37] <kbrooks> reka:
[06:38] <kbrooks> reka: command for java again please.
[06:38] <reka> kbrooks:
[06:38] <reka> kbrooks: the one Seveas did?
[06:38] <Will_> Gah. Nevermind. I'll write a wikipage
[06:38] <kbrooks> Yeah.
[06:39] <reka> for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[06:39] <tanki> i can't say wiki with a straight face
[06:39] <kbrooks> ok
[06:39] <reka> kbrooks: changing it?
[06:39] <kbrooks> No...
[06:39] <kbrooks> er
[06:39] <kbrooks> changing what?
[06:40] <tanki> Bradly do you have the annual earnings report completed yet? Yes sir, I just updated it on the wiki
[06:40] <mumbles> :p
[06:40] <reka> i assumed the wiki...
[06:40] <Spec> About how much space does a standard ubuntu-server install use?
[06:40] <mumbles> i devolged into the wiki ?
[06:40] <midg3t> spec, 130 MB ballpark
[06:41] <kbrooks> reka: I will.
[06:41] <dataw0lf> stop touching my wiki!
[06:41] <midg3t> i could be wrong
[06:41] <herzi> the ubuntu installation freezes when craeting the ext3 partition on a sata drive with a sempron machine
[06:41] <Spec> midg3t: thanks
[06:41] <will__> oh dear
[06:41] <reka> tanki: we used a wiki for our project...useful tool
[06:42] <tanki> reka, what's the difference between a wiki and digg?
[06:42] <reka> four letters?
[06:43] <Spec> ubuntu failed to autodetect/load BusLogic.o :-/
[06:43] <Spec> (on installation cd)
[06:43] <tanki> http://digg.com/
[06:44] <lesshaste>  am I right in thinking that ffmpeg can't play/decode real videos?
[06:44] <Heimdall_linux> is there a gnuplot master in the room ? or is there a gnuplot channel on irc ?
[06:44] <mumbles> right
[06:44] <mumbles> im off for the weekend
[06:44] <tanki> cu mum
[06:44] <Spec> So ubuntu can easily install on a half gig disk?
[06:44] <reka> tanki: so sort of a super-wiki?
[06:45] <tanki> reka, yeah that's what i'm thinking because wiki came first but it seems digg's are very popular
[06:45] <reka> Spec: 350 minimal, 1.8GB typical
[06:45] <reka> Spec: off the packaging
[06:45] <Spec> 512 it is ^.~
[06:46] <reka> tanki: first i heard of them :-/
[06:46] <tanki> reka, i'm getting more into podcasts both audio and video.. less reading than blogs :)
[06:46] <reka> Spec: minimal probably means sever install
[06:46] <reka> *server
[06:46] <Spec> reka: yeap
[06:46] <tanki> reka, diggnation.com, systm.org, fromtheshadows.tv, twit.tv, all are sites i visit frequently, check them out you might like them too
[06:47] <tanki> i'm going to lunch, bbl
[06:47] <reka> heh....here i am only frequenting slashdot
[06:48] <Gourami> Hi all, is it possible to swith one of the workspaces to an external screen and one of the workspaces to the monitor of a laptop ?
[06:48] <Gourami> switch
[06:51] <Gourami> Hi all, is it possible to switch one of the workspaces to an external screen and one of the workspaces to the monitor of a laptop ?
[06:51] <topyli> Spec: not much room for data though on that disk
[06:52] <reka> Gourami: we heard the first time...if someone knows they'll answer. :)
[06:52] <Spec> topyli: I'm only gonna be running stress tests
[06:52] <Gourami> reka: I know someone knows, just waiting for them to speak up
[06:53] <delire> Gourami: xinerama
[06:53] <delire> Gourami: kind of ;)
[06:53] <Gourami> hmm ind of ?
[06:53] <Gourami> hmm kind of ?
[06:54] <delire> Gourami: xinerama is a slightly different approach, and really extends one workspace across two screens
[06:54] <delire> Gourami: but the 'workspace' is an extended desktop
[06:54] <vontrapp> it seems to be getting more frequent, too
[06:54] <reka> vontrapp: trouser-wise? :)
[06:55] <vontrapp> i'll apt-get a package and it will complain of a size mismatch and fail
[06:55] <reka> delire: i thought it was a good description :)
[06:55] <vontrapp> i _can_ then dpkg -i the package from the partial dir, but that makes me leary
[06:56] <Gourami> oh I c, I would like to get a workspace onto another monitor
[06:56] <vontrapp> i try updating and installing again and again, and still the size mismatch persists
[06:56] <Discipulus> vontrapp, are you using us.archive ?
[06:56] <ALexBO> i've some problems with oracle. can anybody help me?
[06:56] <reka> vontrapp: might be something with your repo list
[06:56] <sh0k> amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device
[06:56] <delire> reka: bah ;)
[06:56] <sh0k> what that means?
[06:56] <apokryphos> Discipulus: I don't think that mirror is down anymore, is it/
[06:57] <vontrapp> Discipulus: no, not us.archive, just left the us off
[06:57] <delire> Gourami: this would be nice, i have never looked into this.
[06:57] <vontrapp> i was having problems with it a while back
[06:57] <Discipulus> apokryphos, as far as I know there are still problems with it, although I could be wrong
[06:57] <vontrapp> maybe i'll put it back on now
[06:57] <Discipulus> apokryphos, and better to be safe than sorry
[06:57] <apokryphos> Discipulus: no longer in /topic too...
[06:57] <Discipulus> *shrug*
[06:58] <Discipulus> I never saw it in /topic ...
[06:58] <Discipulus> they need to add "never say ubuntuguide.com" in the topic...
[06:59] <reka> !ubuntuguide
[06:59] <ubotu> hmm... ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[06:59] <Gourami> delire have you used xinerama, I have tried to man both xinerama and libxinerama (which shows installed in synaptic) but no response
[06:59] <reka> Discipulus: :)
[06:59] <sJaM> and it uses backports standard
[06:59] <reka> sJaM: exactly
[06:59] <Discipulus> reka, yea, but it isn't kickban for saying it...
[06:59] <delire> Gourami: yes i have, though years ago. i followed this howto. http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/xfree/Xinerama-HOWTO/en/index.html
[07:00] <sJaM> I fell for it also
[07:00] <sJaM> and well installed java
[07:00] <dataw0lf> Discipulus: yeah, that's a great idea.  Way to uphold the Ubuntu ideology.
[07:00] <reka> Discipulus: heh...bit harsh for newbies who mistakenly directed themselves there
[07:00] <Gourami> thank you delire
[07:00] <sJaM> but it also wanted to update a lot of other packages
[07:00] <Virtuall> ...why isn't there gcc in the default install?
[07:01] <Discipulus> reka, so?
[07:01] <vontrapp> ... any ideas when alsa 1.0.9 will be in hoary?
[07:01] <Discipulus> reka, it should at least be in topic
[07:01] <dataw0lf> Virtuall: apt-get install build-essential
[07:01] <Andares> What's ubuntuguide.com?
[07:01] <Gourami> lol
[07:01] <dataw0lf> Virtuall: it's not there because of the projected user base.
[07:01] <Gourami> and this time Discipulus started it
[07:01] <dataw0lf> i.e., users.  Not developers.
[07:01] <sJaM> do not awake the sleeping dogs hehe
[07:02] <Discipulus> Gourami, WTF are you talking about?
[07:02] <Virtuall> imo everybody needs gcc
[07:02] <sh0k> Garrison: ur here?
[07:02] <dataw0lf> Discipulus: probably talking about how you're trolling for an argument involving ubuntuguide versus the wiki
[07:02] <Gourami> talking about it just makes ppl ask about it and hence talk about it...shush about it !
[07:02] <Discipulus> Virtuall, it's on the cd
[07:02] <devios> Virtuall: apt-get install build-essential
[07:02] <Discipulus> dataw0lf, no, I'm not, I just think it should be in the topic
[07:03] <Virtuall> devios, thank you again
[07:03] <devios> Virtuall: I've not yet used a compiler since using Ubuntu
[07:03] <reka> Discipulus: yes, imo it should be in the topic....but a kickban for directing someone there is over the top.....just ask kbrooks...he would've been kiickbanned before he saw the light.  now he's helping people out in here just fine.
[07:03] <Gourami> why dont you think to someone who controls the topic
[07:03] <dataw0lf> Discipulus: How about everyone decides what's a best fit for the user who needs help.
[07:03] <Discipulus> dataw0lf, minus ubuntuguide
[07:03] <ginvent> I try to compile a program and get: checking for shared library run path origin... /bin/sh: ./config.rpath: No such file or directory   I have all the things it says it needs installed... any suggestions?
[07:04] <Virtuall> devios, well, styles differ
[07:04] <dataw0lf> Discipulus: + whatever makes sense.
[07:04] <devios> lol everyone HATES the ubuntuguide in here...  I still think that the wiki lacks adequate explanation for *some* of the useful info in ubuntuguide...
[07:04] <dataw0lf> devios: there's irrationality on both sides, we just had to lock a topic on the forums because of it.
[07:05] <devios> hahahaha
[07:05] <m411iq> how do i mount a second har drive?
[07:05] <m411iq> hard drive
[07:05] <devios> distro policy in general (not just ubuntu) attracts fanatics similar to those of religion
[07:06] <devios> it's midly amusing when you aren't in the crosshairs.
[07:06] <delire> ginvent: are you sure you have all the *development* libraries (headers etc), and not just the libraries themselves listed in the README? these usually have '-dev' on the end, eg. libxvidcore4-dev vs libxvidcore4
[07:06] <kbrooks> reka: kiCKBAN?
[07:06] <dataw0lf> devios: Yes, but ultimatums such as these just turn people away.  And are an incredible clash with the Code of Conduct.  As well as Linux in general.
[07:06] <kbrooks> brb
[07:06] <Zerboxx> Is there a place to easily see what hardware is supported by ubuntu?
[07:06] <goldfish> on the wiki
[07:06] <goldfish> !hardware
[07:06] <ubotu> goldfish: I give up, what is it?
[07:06] <goldfish> hmm.
[07:07] <Razor-X> goldfish: ubotu won't solve all yer problems ;)
[07:07] <delire> Zerboxx: i believe this is on the wiki, yes
[07:07] <goldfish> :)
[07:07] <devios> dataw0lf: agreed...  however, ever try to deal with the pure jerkoffs in #windows and #winxp channels?  they make the linux people look like saints...
[07:07] <jadedstar> devios: lol
[07:07] <m411iq> how do i mount a second hard drive
[07:07] <m411iq> i have a problem with fstab
[07:07] <Razor-X> but, you never know what you can piece together to get working on a Linux machine
[07:07] <Zerboxx> thanks for your help delire & goldfish
[07:07] <Razor-X> m411iq: what's the problem?
[07:07] <dataw0lf> devios: I haven't used Windows in about 5 or 6 years, except for administration of a small amount of 2000/2003 machines here at work
[07:07] <goldfish> Zerboxx: np
[07:08] <Razor-X> dataw0lf: lucky
[07:08] <dataw0lf> Razor-X: Very.
[07:08] <m411iq> when i mount a secon drive i get an error
[07:08] <delire> m411iq: usually i look for the new drive with fdisk -l, create a mount point  and modify /etc/fstab accordindly.
[07:08] <m411iq> that the fs is wrong
[07:08] <Razor-X> I haven't used Linux in a few months, but half of our school runs on WinXP the other half on Mac OS 9
[07:08] <delire> m411iq: what fs is the second hard drive?
[07:08] <jafn> hi
[07:08] <Razor-X> m411iq: and what's the mount command you use?
[07:08] <m411iq> ntfs
[07:09] <dataw0lf> mount -t ntfs /dev/hd<whatever> /mount/point
[07:09] <delire> m411iq: have you tried doing it from the command line?
[07:09] <delire> m411iq: dataw0lf has the right suggestion.
[07:09] <Razor-X> don't forget the '-o umask=0222' so that the lay user can use it too
[07:09] <gigaclon> is there way to install ubuntu, with the ubuntu CD, and install KDE instead of GNOME?
[07:09] <m411iq> yes however i get an error
[07:09] <jafn> how can i make an ubuntu machine to lesson a wins server?
[07:09] <Razor-X> gigaclon: use the Kubuntu CD
[07:09] <delire> gigaclon: see 'kubuntu'
[07:09] <reka> Razor-X: we only had 2 macs at our school 4 years ago...for graphics
[07:09] <Razor-X> or get Kubuntu later
[07:09] <jafn> i mean listen a wins server
[07:09] <m411iq> and when i switch it to fat it doesnt mount
[07:10] <Razor-X> m411iq: of course not, it's an NTFS drive
[07:10] <delire> gigaclon: you can just go ahead and install ubuntu and then 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[07:10] <delire> ISTR
[07:10] <Razor-X> ISTR?
[07:10] <Razor-X> never heard that one before
[07:10] <delire> m411iq: try dataw0lf's suggestion and let us know.
[07:10] <Razor-X> new netspeak's been surfacing.... like TMI..... *shrugs*
[07:10] <delire> Razor-X: I Seem To Recall
[07:10] <dataw0lf> wow.
[07:10] <Razor-X> ahhh, I thought that was IIRC, If I Recall Correctly
[07:11] <reka> Razor-X: heard of the program 'wtf'?
[07:11] <delire> Razor-X: that's about ten years old
[07:11] <Razor-X> reka: nopes
[07:11] <m411iq> ok
[07:11] <dataw0lf> how about LTJEO ?
[07:11] <Razor-X> delire: well, it's become deprecated then ;)
[07:11] <delire> Razor-X: as is IMHO, and IMO
[07:11] <dataw0lf> 'Let's Just Type Everything Out'
[07:11] <reka> Razor-X: install bsdgames
[07:11] <Razor-X> I'm not versed in netspeak, and I won't kid myself I am
[07:11] <Razor-X> dataw0lf: good advice ;)
[07:11] <Razor-X> reka: are they nice games?
[07:11] <delire> my new favourite is WTFM == Write The F***ing Manual
[07:11] <pepsi> LJTEO
[07:11] <reka> delire: really?  i still use iirc
[07:12] <delire> pepsi: what?
[07:12] <Razor-X> my peers, on the other hand, talk like "OMG, R U THR?!?1"
[07:12] <goldfish> delire: hah
[07:12] <dataw0lf> Razor-X: aolbonics.
[07:12] <reka> Razor-X: you can use 'wtf' to work out wtf people are saying :)
[07:12] <dataw0lf> see, that's what you should be attacking in here.
[07:12] <Razor-X> yeah, sad
[07:12] <dataw0lf> not ubuntuguide.
[07:12] <Razor-X> reka: oh, awesome!
[07:12] <m411iq> the same error
[07:12] <goldfish> OMFG LOIKE WTF CYBAR??!?!!?
[07:12] <Razor-X> see, i'm 15, at my age, we're all supposed to be idiots
[07:12] <reka> hehe
[07:12] <delire> reka: yep, that's an oldie
[07:12] <dataw0lf> a/s/l a/s/l a/s/l?!?!11?
[07:12] <goldfish> dataw0lf: :)
[07:12] <Razor-X> dataw0lf: hahahaha!
[07:13] <dataw0lf> ;)
[07:13] <delire> m411iq: paste the error in a pastebin
[07:13] <delire> dataw0lf: ;)
[07:13] <Razor-X> ok, enough ranting in #ubuntu, offtopic channel's for this stuff
[07:13] <dataw0lf> uh oh, fire fightin' time.  bbiab
[07:13] <reka> WHaT AbOuT WheN ThEY TYpe Like thiS?
[07:13] <Razor-X> reka: even worse
[07:13] <Razor-X> or, the new 1337 dialect, ub3r 1337
[07:14] <goldfish> haha
[07:14] <delire> reka: either a nervous disorder in the little finger in their left hand or they are consciously being annoying.
[07:14] <Razor-X> like, when they use all these unicode characters as 1337
[07:14] <Razor-X> fsucking pisses me off
[07:14] <delire> Razor-X: good for passwords however
[07:14] <pepsi> Razor-X: j00 4r3 teh L4m3 1F u c4n7 7yp3 L1k3 7h15!@%$
[07:14] <Razor-X> delire: true that
[07:14] <goldfish> pepsi: :)
[07:14] <Razor-X> pepsi: s0rry
[07:15] <goldfish> omfg, it's loike being on teh cybarweb.
[07:15] <pepsi> ;)
[07:15] <delire> Razor-X: the important thing is to only use the substitution rules *some* of the time, especially in a passphrase.
[07:15] <reka> delire: i've seen people get an irc client that does it for them. :-/
[07:15] <Razor-X> ! 4|\/| |\|07 \/\/0r76y
[07:15] <ubotu> Wish i knew, Razor-X
[07:15] <delire> reka: lol, true?
[07:15] <m411iq> ok its in the paste bin
[07:15] <m411iq> the erro and fdisk
[07:15] <Razor-X> delire: heh, true that
[07:15] <reka> lol
[07:15] <delire> m411iq: which one?
[07:15] <Razor-X> m411iq: what's the URL?
[07:15] <reka> delire: yep.  cheetahchat iirc
[07:16] <delire> reka: eewww
[07:16] <delire> reka: lu5er5
[07:16] <reka> hehe
[07:16] <m411iq> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/595
[07:16] <reka> delire: meanwhile i've been in here for three hours. :-/
[07:16] <delire> m411iq: what was the command you gave?
[07:17] <delire> reka: hehe, i hope the weather is shite outside.
[07:17] <reka> well, it's 3am
[07:17] <m411iq>  mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows
[07:17] <delire> reka: ahah. go to bed man
[07:17] <Razor-X> anyone have a nice Dvorak keymap for nethack?
[07:18] <delire> m411iq: type 'fdisk -l | grep NTFS' and paste the output here.
[07:18] <reka> vontrapp: i still have a feeling it might have something to do with your repo list.  can you post it to a pstebin?
[07:18] <delire> m411iq: or perhaps 'fdisk -l | grep ntfs'
[07:18] <Razor-X> yeah, that would be a nice idea
[07:18] <vontrapp> where's pastebin?
[07:18] <Razor-X> my sources.list is awesome ;)
[07:19] <Razor-X> vontrapp: read the topic ;)
[07:19] <reka> vontrapp: there's one in the topic
[07:19] <Razor-X> 62 lines baby!
[07:19] <delire> m411iq: bah that won't work. you can't grep against fdisk
[07:19] <delire> m411iq: just 'fdisk -l
[07:19] <goldfish> just do fdisk =l
[07:19] <Razor-X> delire: you can grep against anything with stdout, can't you?
[07:19] <delire> m411iq: and then give the appropriate line.
[07:19] <othernoob> m411iq: just do what i told you ;)
[07:20] <delire> Razor-X: yes, it should work.
[07:21] <vontrapp> pasted
[07:22] <vontrapp> i.e. downloads from ubuntu repo, but checks size against unstable repo
[07:22] <Razor-X> poningru: if only it was real..... if only
[07:23] <reka> vontrapp: i'd remove marillat
[07:23] <Razor-X> vontrapp: URL?
[07:23] <Razor-X> vontrapp: or, at least comment it out
[07:23] <reka> vontrapp: and what are those xmission ones?
[07:24] <vontrapp> the xmission ones are debian unstable
[07:24] <vontrapp> i have those pinned at 200
[07:24] <Razor-X> vontrapp: ............
[07:24] <reka> Razor-X: there's a link at paste.ubuntulinux.nl's recent posts
[07:24] <Razor-X> aren't you _not_ supposed to have Debian repos?
[07:24] <vontrapp> i added it to get the latest alsa, which R0x0rS!!
[07:24] <Razor-X> reka: there were two pastebins, wasn't sure which he posted it to
[07:24] <Razor-X> vontrapp: now, remove it ;)
[07:25] <vontrapp> :(
[07:25] <reka> Razor-X: yep, afaik, it's a no-no to mix debian with ubuntu
[07:25] <reka> am i right people?
[07:25] <delire> yeeesss reka
[07:25] <vontrapp> it shouldn't cause a size mismatch for a package downloaded from ubuntu
[07:25] <Razor-X> reka: insofar of what I know, yeah
[07:25] <vontrapp> it's a bug
[07:25] <delire> vontrapp: yes it can
[07:25] <reka> lol
[07:25] <Razor-X> vontrapp: yes it can
[07:25] <Razor-X> and can break a lot of your system too
[07:25] <wolki> hi!
[07:25] <Razor-X> Debian != Ubuntu
[07:26] <reka> wolki: hello perky
[07:26] <vontrapp> i KNOW, but it's not the debian package that size mismatches
[07:26] <delire> vontrapp: Thou must trust thy Friendly Ubuntu Overlords.
[07:26] <vontrapp> it's the UBUNTU package that fails
[07:26] <poningru> I for one welcom my friendly Ubuntu Overlords
[07:26] <reka> lol
[07:27] <reka> gotta love kent brockman
[07:27] <goldfish> hah
[07:27] <poningru> hehe so true
[07:27] <vontrapp> Oh Ubuntu Overlords, I humbly request alsa1.0.9 to be available in ubuntu
[07:27] <devios> haha
[07:28] <poningru> the ants will get into the equipment
[07:28] <poningru> all hail the rod
[07:28] <Razor-X> vontrapp: ask crimsun that
[07:28] <reka> :)
[07:28] <Razor-X> he maintains the sound packages
[07:28] <Razor-X> and is our Ubuntu sound guru
[07:28] <jadedstar> anyone else getting "ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)"?
[07:29] <Razor-X> jadedstar: Marrilat is deprecated
[07:29] <Razor-X> it's suggested to comment/remove it out of your sources.list
[07:29] <Razor-X> s/Marrilat/marillat/
[07:30] <delire> it's a bloody hard word to type for some reason.
[07:30] <jadedstar> Razor-X: Thanks.
[07:30] <Razor-X> delire: that too ;)
[07:31] <devios> i wish that there was a way to put ubuntu in charge of managing everyone's /etc/apt/source.list file...  it's the most unfriendly aspect of ubuntu that I've dealt with.
[07:31] <vontrapp> naughty repo mixing aside, why would apt download one package from one source, and check it against another source, and if that's not what's happening, then what is going on?
[07:31] <dataw0lf> devios: heh.
[07:31] <kbrooks> devios, synaptic?
[07:31] <delire> devios: do you use synaptic?
[07:31] <dataw0lf> I always thought source.list was rather.. simple to use.
[07:31] <dataw0lf> vontrapp: shouldn't happen.
[07:32] <vontrapp> but it does...
[07:32] <delire> devios: think of synaptic like an eMule for packages and it all makes sense ;)
[07:32] <dataw0lf> vontrapp: got a pastebin link for meh?
[07:32] <vontrapp> for my sources.list?
[07:32] <dataw0lf> of errors.
[07:32] <GrammatonCleric> devios: that sounds almost mickysoft-ish
[07:32] <devios> I do, but that doesn't help me when the backports repository in my sources.list file goes belly-up
[07:32] <dj28> vontrapp: if you're getting md5sum errors, then there's nothing wrong on your end
[07:32] <Razor-X> devios: no!
[07:32] <vontrapp> pasted
[07:32] <Razor-X> I love my 62 line sources.list
[07:32] <dj28> it's a problem with the US repository
[07:33] <delire> vontrapp: i thought you were getting size mismatch errors?
[07:33] <reka> Razor-X: we heard. *rolls eyes*
[07:33] <devios> I think that most people in this irc channel would want to be capable of manual mgmt, but most other ubuntu users would like to be able to download a new sources file when things change...
[07:33] <delire> Razor-X: lol. you're insane
[07:33] <vontrapp> delire: that's what it is
[07:33] <Razor-X> delire: so?
[07:33] <delire> vontrapp: any marillat in there, or debian repo's?
[07:34] <Razor-X> my system hasn't "broked" once ;)
[07:34] <delire> Razor-X: good answer
[07:34] <vontrapp> i've since removed marilat
[07:34] <delire> vontrapp: did you apt-get update?
[07:34] <vontrapp> but debian is stillin  there
[07:34] <vontrapp> yep
[07:34] <Gourami> in which package can I find a cure for the common cold ?
[07:34] <reka> Razor-X: not even a tiny bit?
[07:34] <Razor-X> reka: nopes ;)
[07:34] <_DuDe_> Hello there all, I am kinda a Linux n00b, but I need help.
[07:34] <aio> has anyone tried to run luminocity under ubuntu?
[07:34] <teferi> hm, now the joke's on me
[07:34] <Razor-X> _DuDe_: ask away
[07:34] <reka> Gourami: chicken-soup
[07:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone here use kpilot?
[07:35] <dataw0lf> vontrapp: don't worry about the debian repos, delete the partial deb, then try to update again.
[07:35] <teferi> let's see how xlibs is broken today...
[07:35] <delire> vontrapp: you shouldn't use debian repo's at all..
[07:35] <Razor-X> ChurcH_of_FoamY: if my Palm still worked... I would ;)
[07:35] <_DuDe_> Ok, first off, does ubuntu have a Shell?
[07:35] <dataw0lf> vontrapp: (partial deb in /var/cache/apt/archive, I know you know your stuff)
[07:35] <delire> _DuDe_: yes, bash by default
[07:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Razor-X why won't it synch with kontact? do you still know?
[07:35] <Razor-X> ChurcH_of_FoamY: not 100%... no
[07:36] <Razor-X> _DuDe_: of course
[07:36] <_DuDe_> Where can I find it?
[07:36] <Razor-X> without a shell, there would be _no_ GUI
[07:36] <delire> _DuDe_: but you can install <cough>zsh</cough> or-some-other-shell if you like.
[07:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Razor-X it's weard it lets me backup the data but no synch with kontact >.<
[07:36] <Razor-X> delire: I was thinking of doing that
[07:36] <delire> tis lovely
[07:36] <_DuDe_> Like a shell to use an EggDrop?
[07:36] <Razor-X> ChurcH_of_FoamY: maybe that's not a feature yet
[07:36] <vontrapp> same thing
[07:36] <Razor-X> I never organize my stuff... so...
[07:36] <Razor-X> _DuDe_: EggDrop?
[07:36] <Razor-X> "organization" is overrated
[07:36] <_DuDe_> It is a type of IRC bot
[07:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Razor-X maybe, but do i need to set up kontact first?
[07:37] <Razor-X> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I'ld think so
[07:37] <dataw0lf> vontrapp: alright, try several --fix-missing's, it might eventually get the whole file.
[07:37] <_DuDe_> http://www.egghelp.org/shell.htm < The info I got all this from
[07:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[07:37] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: whasss up
[07:37] <delire> _DuDe_: yes that is useable by you in Ubuntu
[07:38] <_DuDe_> Thanks
[07:38] <dataw0lf> vontrapp: personally, to me, it sounds like a problem with the repos updating themselves, and you catching them in the middle of that.  I could be wrong though.
[07:38] <vontrapp> ok, i give in, i comment the debian sources, and it happily installs, so basically, when one source has a package of same name as another source, but different size, you get a size mismatch
[07:39] <delire> vontrapp: i'd say get rid of all the *non-supported* repo's and then start debugging.
[07:39] <reka> hehe
[07:39] <Razor-X> haha, I just met a Mac user in denial
[07:39] <devios> devios@ubuntu:~$ xcompmgr
[07:39] <devios> No composite extension
[07:39] <vontrapp> devios: add this to xorg.conf
[07:39] <Razor-X> "OMG, NO, Mac won't be for x86! Intel will make PPC"
[07:39] <Razor-X> i'm like, no, it's the other way 'round
[07:40] <vontrapp> Section "Extensions"
[07:40] <vontrapp>   Option "Composite" "Enable"
[07:40] <vontrapp> EndSection
[07:40] <Razor-X> and then counterproof I gave
[07:40] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: heh
[07:40] <Razor-X> and he's like "I don't care...."
[07:40] <vontrapp> note: for me, it kills x when i run xcompmgr, but you may be more lucky
[07:40] <Razor-X> ;)
[07:40] <topyli> Razor-X: i'm sure someone will make ppc chips still, and there will be ppc linux :)
[07:41] <Razor-X> topyli: probably will
[07:41] <Razor-X> but, hey, Mac users can stop boasting their ub3r processors, heh
[07:41] <Razor-X> live with 6 registers, like the rest of us ;)
[07:41] <topyli> Razor-X: your mac user can use gnome then =)
[07:41] <mcquaid> not really ubuntu related just curious if anyone has dealt with software mixing for games like q3/et and teamspeak
[07:41] <Razor-X> topyli: hah
[07:41] <devios> vontrapp: anyway to restart x after making those changes without rebooting?
[07:42] <topyli> soothe him with that :)
[07:42] <Razor-X> actually... 8 registers
[07:42] <WckdKl0wn> anyone here have experience with unrealircd?
[07:42] <reka> devios: ctrl+alt+backspace
[07:42] <dataw0lf> devios: ctrl-alt-backspace
[07:42] <mcquaid> from what i've read mmap and fopen support is there now so it should work but can't seem to get it all working together
[07:42] <vontrapp> devios, yes, just kill it (ctrl-alt-bksp)
[07:42] <devios> I'll lose all my work if I do that though, correct?
[07:42] <stan-am> hello averyone
[07:43] <Razor-X> devios: it's suggested you quit all your work
[07:43] <devios> hah
[07:43] <devios> biab
[07:43] <vontrapp> devios: yes, save and close all apps first
[07:43] <stan-am> can anyone tell me how to uninstall jdk??????
[07:43] <Razor-X> quitting my work is as simple as C-x C-c ;)
[07:43] <delire> reka: hehe
[07:43] <vontrapp> :xa
[07:43] <Razor-X> stan-am: if I tell you, will you tell me why you use more than one '?' ?
[07:43] <dataw0lf> :wq
[07:43] <Razor-X> dataw0lf: ewww!
[07:43] <vontrapp> :wqa
[07:44] <Razor-X> stop it, stop it! noooo!!!!!
[07:44] <reka> here we go.... Razor-X's gonna start on emacs
[07:44] <stan-am> Razor-X: my keyboard is fucked
[07:44] <reka> :)
[07:44] <Razor-X> haha, no, i'm immune
[07:44] <Razor-X> I used to be a vi user meself
[07:44] <dataw0lf> ZZ !
[07:44] <dataw0lf> Razor-X: I use vim.
[07:44] <stan-am> Razor-X: a very old one
[07:44] <Razor-X> errr.... *vim
[07:44] <dataw0lf> well, unless I'm on Tru64, then I use vi
[07:44] <Razor-X> stan-am: ahhh, I understand
[07:44] <dataw0lf> and cry quietly.
[07:44] <Razor-X> well, did you install jdk using apt-get
[07:44] <Razor-X> dataw0lf: can't you get at least nvi to work on that thing?
[07:45] <stan-am> acutally i did ./file after I sh it
[07:45] <stan-am> i just followed the instructions in it
[07:45] <dataw0lf> Razor-X: got more important things to do then port nvi to Tru64
[07:45] <dataw0lf> like porting python to Tru64!
[07:45] <Razor-X> stan-am: then just remove it physically from the HDD
[07:45] <dataw0lf> :] 
[07:45] <Razor-X> dataw0lf: hehehe
[07:46] <delire> dataw0lf: lol
[07:46] <stan-am> Razor-X: just remove the folder then?
[07:46] <stan-am> Razor-X: cool
[07:46] <stan-am> thnx
[07:46] <Razor-X> what's all this hubub about Ruby?
[07:46] <Slipaway172> i think that new computers will be slim line. amd is thinking about releaseing a cpu that was designed for laptops also for desktops. then they will be Uber silent and will run cold
[07:46] <Razor-X> been hearing it's coming up... Ruby is also the language of RPG Maker XP
[07:46] <dataw0lf> Perl users anxiously looking for a way to get something decent, but not wanting to admit to Python programmers that we're right, Razor-X.
[07:47] <Razor-X> Slipaway172: what's the fun of a laptop chip on a desktop?
[07:47] <dataw0lf> they don't want to give up all their explicit, weird ass characters
[07:47] <Razor-X> dataw0lf: ahhh, I understand
[07:47] <delire> topyli: Lenovo plan to make a PPC line to the ends of selling Linux desktops. there was an article about this on slashdot recently.
[07:47] <Razor-X> I never learned Perl, but I have learned Python
[07:47] <dataw0lf> that looks like Snoopy cursing.
[07:47] <Slipaway172> smaller computer quiter, runs colder and with no lost of power
[07:47] <Razor-X> Slipaway172: less modding opportunities, less overclocking opportunities...
[07:48] <topyli> delire: oh yeah, the chinese guys. i think i read about that
[07:48] <Slipaway172> not so
[07:48] <dataw0lf> Razor-X: I made the switch from Perl to Python about 4 years ago, and my brain (and fingers) have thanked me numerous times.
[07:48] <Razor-X> dataw0lf: heh
[07:48] <Razor-X> LaTeX is uber, that I must say
[07:48] <stan-am> Razor-X: what was that commando u told me to install jdk???
[07:48] <Razor-X> I fell in love with it
[07:48] <Slipaway172> just buy a bigger case and come up with more creative modds and put a bigger fan/HS on the cpu to overclock.
[07:48] <Razor-X> stan-am: rm -f /path/to/jdk
[07:49] <Razor-X> Slipaway172: but, the smaller the chip, the less overclocking potential
[07:49] <topyli> Razor-X: i use lyx/latex and bibtex/pybliographer for everything more than 2 pages :)
[07:49] <stan-am> Razor-X: to the downloaded bin or after sh?
[07:49] <Razor-X> because it'll use less jumpers and such
[07:49] <Razor-X> stan-am: both
[07:49] <Slipaway172> NO
[07:49] <Razor-X> Slipaway172: hmmmmm?
[07:49] <vontrapp> there's far too much action in here for my likes
[07:49] <Slipaway172> like i said just get a better fan/HS
[07:49] <vontrapp> thx guys
[07:49] <Slipaway172> and use ur bios
[07:50] <stan-am> Razor-X: isnt that to remove files??
[07:50] <Razor-X> Slipaway172: do you know the theory of overclocking?
[07:50] <Slipaway172> yes
[07:50] <Razor-X> by routing the CPU to different jumpers, you can change the clock speed of the CPU itself
[07:50] <Razor-X> if a processor is smaller, it uses less jumpers
[07:50] <Razor-X> a BIOS won't fix that
[07:50] <Slipaway172> but still MOST ppl dont OC
[07:50] <stan-am> Razor-X: isnt that to remove files??
[07:50] <Razor-X> Slipaway172: well, yeah, most people go on the internet and play games
[07:51] <Razor-X> stan-am: you said "delete" did you not?
[07:51] <Slipaway172> not in my city
[07:51] <Slipaway172> browse internt and know NOTHING about computers
[07:51] <stan-am> Razor-X: i did delete now im asking that app-get to re-install ir
[07:51] <stan-am> it
[07:51] <Razor-X> well, in most of the world, the average 15-17 year old goes on the internet and plays games
[07:51] <dataw0lf> overclocking is a waste of time.
[07:51] <reka> _DuDe_: you'll get most of this stuff sooner or later.
[07:51] <Razor-X> or plays CS
[07:51] <Razor-X> stan-am: ahhhh
[07:51] <delire> topyli: the performance of PPC should not be judged on OSX benchmarks. the Darwin kernel performs quite poorly under high load situations on the PPC.
[07:51] <Razor-X> stan-am: hold up then
[07:51] <_DuDe_> yea, i know
[07:51] <lcdd> stop overclocking, get a job and buy better hardware
[07:51] <stan-am> Razor-X: sure
[07:51] <Will_> 15-17 was my time of games, avoiding homework and porn.
[07:51] <dataw0lf> lcdd: agreed.
[07:51] <Slipaway172> i did
[07:51] <WckdKl0wn> how would i install a tar.gz file?
[07:51] <_DuDe_> I am just so new to Linux
[07:52] <Will_> Also irc
[07:52] <Razor-X> Will_: i'm 15
[07:52] <dataw0lf> WckdKl0wn: tar zxvf file.tar.gz
[07:52] <WckdKl0wn> i am tryin to setup unrealircd
[07:52] <dataw0lf> cd file
[07:52] <Razor-X> and i'm an avid emacs user ;)
[07:52] <dataw0lf> ./configure
[07:52] <othernoob> Will_ you avoided porn :o
[07:52] <_DuDe_> I got really good at Windows
[07:52] <dataw0lf> make install
[07:52] <Razor-X> _DuDe_: Windows is the kiddie pool
[07:52] <Razor-X> ;)
[07:52] <Will_> Razor-X: I'm 19
[07:52] <topyli> delire: might be. i've always had x86 :)
[07:52] <Razor-X> Will_: well, there you are
[07:52] <Will_> Razor-X: There I am what?
[07:52] <Razor-X> Will_: nevermind
[07:53] <delire> looking at the kernel level optomisations lacking in Darwin on PPC, there are many reasons to believe that Apple consciously degrades performance to boost hardware sales.
[07:53] <WckdKl0wn> how come the folder i untared the file to has a red x on it and a lock?
[07:53] <Razor-X> delire: there's also the thing that PPC has a shitload of registers
[07:53] <Will_> If you are using age as an excuse for ignorance, no dice. There's a 10 year old on /. with an advanced MS qualification... If she can do that, you can learn teh lunicks
[07:53] <reka> _DuDe_: start with this: www.tldp.org
[07:53] <delire> .. yet another reason to distrust centralised development models.
[07:53] <Razor-X> and the x86 has embarrassingly few
[07:53] <Razor-X> Will_: am I using age as ignorance?
[07:53] <_DuDe_> I'll look there, thanks
[07:53] <Razor-X> i'm trying to prove against that
[07:53] <hybrid_goth> i am 14
[07:53] <Will_> Razor-X: Possibly not. I'm using it as a reason to argue
[07:53] <dataw0lf> Will_: have you seen a MCP test?
[07:53] <Razor-X> and, when I was 10, I could do a shitload with Windows ;)
[07:54] <topyli> delire: windows bloat does the same for intel ;)
[07:54] <Will_> dataw0lf: It is not an MCP. Read into the article
[07:54] <Razor-X> I switched to Linux at 11
[07:54] <dataw0lf> Will_: I could get my dog to pass one.
[07:54] <pepsi> zzzzzzzzzz
[07:54] <dataw0lf> Will_: Sure it is, it's just a specific type of MCP.
[07:54] <dataw0lf> Read up.
[07:54] <Will_> Razor-X: I assume by default that people are looking for reasons to be treated with kid gloves. No offense meant
[07:54] <delire> Razor-X: user-level thread management is really poor in Darwin however, Darwin pretends to be a microkernel yet is really a monolithic (arguably faster) kernel design.
[07:54] <pepsi> you guys are kinda boring :P
[07:54] <stan-am> Razor-X: can you help me with the app-get?
[07:54] <WckdKl0wn> how do i compile something?
[07:54] <Razor-X> stan-am: try a apt-cache search jdk
[07:54] <Razor-X> WckdKl0wn: cd /path/to/compilationfiles
[07:54] <Will_> dataw0lf: Still. As difficult as say...compiling your own kernel, with instructions
[07:55] <Razor-X> make sure to install automake, autoconf, and all the dev libs needed for it
[07:55] <stan-am> sure ll
[07:55] <Razor-X> then ./configure
[07:55] <Razor-X> make
[07:55] <dataw0lf> Will_: easier.
[07:55] <Razor-X> make install
[07:55] <Will_> I've had enough coffee to put that 9 year old down. Do NOT try and argue with me
[07:55] <WckdKl0wn> razor-x, this is what i get when i do that  root@zigzags:/home/admin/Desktop/Unreal3.2 # ./configure
[07:55] <WckdKl0wn> You might want to run ./Config or provide some parameters to this script.
[07:55] <WckdKl0wn> ./configure --help for information about this script
[07:55] <dataw0lf> Will_: I'm not trying.
[07:55] <dataw0lf> Will_: I am.
[07:55] <WckdKl0wn> and i tryed to do ./config and nothing happens
[07:55] <Razor-X> WckdKl0wn: then try ./configure --help
[07:56] <Razor-X> ;)
[07:56] <julo> hi
[07:56] <Razor-X> and, do you have autoconf?
[07:56] <Razor-X> wait... did you get this of CVS/
[07:56] <Will_> dataw0lf: Where is your position on this, are you a MCSE holder/do you work in that area?
[07:56] <WckdKl0wn> yea there is a autoconf
[07:56] <Razor-X> s/\//?/
[07:56] <julo> I'm using breezy with a french keyboard and SHIFT doesn't seem to work anymore... Is there a way to fix it ?
[07:56] <dataw0lf> Will_: My position is that feeding into MS propaganda probably isn't a good thing to do.
[07:56] <julo> I already had this problem once, and it got fixed by an upgrade.
[07:56] <Razor-X> julo: Breezy's full of broken crap
[07:56] <stan-am> Razor-X: how can i tell if jdk got installed?
[07:57] <Razor-X> stan-am: that doesen't install jdk
[07:57] <dataw0lf> And I'm MCSE, yes.
[07:57] <julo> Razor-X: yes, but that's not what I'm asking :)
[07:57] <Will_> dataw0lf: I've seen some of the stuff she has done. It's not easy, easy. For a 9 year old.
[07:57] <Razor-X> I wanted you to paste that output in pastebin
[07:57] <Razor-X> that's a list of packages that start with "jdk"
[07:57] <dataw0lf> Will_: propaganda.  Again.
[07:57] <WckdKl0wn> does anyone here have experience install unrealircd in linux?
[07:57] <Will_> Perhaps.
[07:57] <topyli> oh please guys
[07:57] <stan-am> Razor-X: and how do i? cause all i see is a license agreement and unpacking thing
[07:58] <dataw0lf> Taking your news from slashdot, which is being taken from MS PR whores, is the equivalent of eating from a dumpster at a chemical factory.
[07:58] <Will_> WckdKl0wn: Tell us your problem
[07:58] <Will_> dataw0lf: I take it from lots of places. Do you think the 9 year old did not pass it? Are they lieing? What is your stance?
[07:58] <Razor-X> stan-am: it should be in the repos
[07:58] <Will_> If we are both arguing for the hell of it, we may be here for hours
[07:58] <dataw0lf> Will_: I'm just arguing for the hell of it.
[07:58] <dataw0lf> because it's what I do.
[07:58] <pepsi> Will_: why are you arguing in #ubuntu?
[07:58] <WckdKl0wn> i cant seem to get it installed
[07:58] <Razor-X> paste in pastebin "apt-cache search jdk"
[07:59] <Will_> dataw0lf: Oh baby, we should take this show on the road
[07:59] <WckdKl0wn> i guess it needs to be compiled
[07:59] <dataw0lf> Will_: can there be clowns?
[07:59] <Will_> dataw0lf: And a 1000 elephants!
[07:59] <topyli> Will_, dataw0lf: this is hardly an ubuntu discussion anymore
[07:59] <dataw0lf> and one 9 year old Pakistani girl!
[07:59] <Will_> topyli: Point
[07:59] <Razor-X> ARGUING PEOPLE
[07:59] <Razor-X> go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:59] <teferi> hmm, I can't seem to figure this out
[07:59] <Razor-X> ok?!
[08:00] <Razor-X> teferi: figure what?
[08:00] <teferi> the new xlibs (-42) in breezy seems broken, and it's not the /etc/X11/xkb problem
[08:00] <Will_> Razor-X: Done, thank you
[08:00] <Razor-X> teferi: ahhh... well... Breezy is broken
[08:00] <WckdKl0wn> maybe someone can download it too and walk me through it?
[08:00] <Razor-X> can't really helpt here ;)
[08:00] <stan-am> Razor-X: i got :"libc6-i586 - GNU C- Library:shared libraries
[08:00] <Razor-X> stan-am: that's it?
[08:00] <teferi> Razor-X: i'm well aware of this. i can't seem to figure out what's causing postinst to fail in this case, though
[08:00] <stan-am> Razor-X: yup
[08:00] <Will_> WckdKl0wn: Why are you unable to do it yourself? It comes with instructions?
[08:00] <dataw0lf> the forums are going to Hell in a hand basket.
[08:00] <dataw0lf> and I'm going to lunch.
[08:00] <dataw0lf> cya in a bit.
[08:01] <teferi> i pulled postinst out of the package and poked around, can't seem to figure out where hte failure happens
[08:01] <teferi> and, of course, no error message :/
[08:01] <Razor-X> teferi: well... is that the only error message?
[08:01] <WckdKl0wn> will_ i am new to linux.. windows version i didnt have a problem with but when it comes to linux i am lsot
[08:01] <Razor-X> ahhh,]  -_-
[08:01] <Razor-X> s/\] //
[08:01] <teferi> "postinst exited with status 1"
[08:01] <teferi> yeah, irritating
[08:01] <Razor-X> try a gdb on it *shrugs*
[08:01] <stan-am> Razor-X: what can i do now?
[08:01] <teferi> strace gets a little confused by forks
[08:01] <Razor-X> stan-am: do you have Universe and Multiverse in your sources.list?
[08:02] <teferi> and i don't want to *think* about using gdb to trace dpkg...
[08:02] <Heimdall_linux> is there a gnuplot master in the room ? or is there a gnuplot channel on irc ?
[08:02] <Razor-X> teferi: hahaha ;)
[08:02] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: i've used GNUPlot
[08:02] <Razor-X> albeit, i'm not a master
[08:02] <teferi> hm. actually...
[08:02] <stan-am> Razor-X: i have no clue, how can i find out? ( yes, im the newbiest newbie)
[08:02] <Razor-X> just used it off-and-on with Maxima
[08:02] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, well are you familiar with 3D plots ?
[08:02] <Razor-X> stan-am: paste the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" to pastebin
[08:03] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: somewhat
[08:03] <Razor-X> (mmmm, real parts of Klein Bottles ;)
[08:03] <Will_> WckdKl0wn: There are .debs out there, which may work. I'm having a poke about
[08:03] <crazyhorse> anyone can help me with s-ata?
[08:03] <trevi> is possible make a sist-upgrade from warty to hoary with a cd...?
[08:03] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, can I ask you few question though ?
[08:03] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: go ahead
[08:03] <Razor-X> trevi: mmmm?
[08:04] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: again, i've only used GNUPlot through Maxima
[08:04] <Razor-X> (emacs-maxima, to be exact)
[08:04] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, what is Maxima ?
[08:04] <stan-am> Razor-X: i got some lines there, where does it say what i have
[08:04] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: a powerful free CAS
[08:04] <Heimdall_linux> CAS ?
[08:04] <Will_> WckdKl0wn: You've downloaded the tar.gz?
[08:04] <Razor-X> stan-am: paste all of the output into pastebin!
[08:04] <HappyFool> trevi: you can upgrade from warty to hoary with the hoary install cd
[08:04] <WckdKl0wn> yea
[08:04] <Razor-X> try this
[08:04] <Razor-X> errr, paste it
[08:04] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: Computer Algebra System
[08:04] <Will_> WckdKl0wn: And untarred it?
[08:05] <stan-am> Razor-X: here?
[08:05] <Razor-X> stan-am: pastebin
[08:05] <WckdKl0wn> yea but i can open the folder unless i am in root terminal
[08:05] <HappyFool> !pastebin
[08:05] <ubotu> I guess pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[08:05] <WckdKl0wn> and i couldnt untar it in normal terminal
[08:05] <Razor-X> or, read the topic -_-
[08:05] <stan-am> Razor-X: what is pastebin?
[08:05] <Will_> WckdKl0wn: Download the file as a normal user, to a home directory
[08:05] <trevi> do I run the hoary installation?
[08:05] <Razor-X> WckdKl0wn: sudo chmod 771 /path/to/tar
[08:05] <Razor-X> and then
[08:05] <HappyFool> trevi: hang on, i think the wiki has some info on this
[08:06] <trevi> ok
[08:06] <Centaur> my wireless card that was detected in the installation works on my access point at home but at work I can't get connected. Anything I can try?
[08:06] <Razor-X> WckdKl0wn: sudo chown -R username:username /path/to/tar
[08:06] <stan-am> Razor-X: what is pastebin? or where?
[08:06] <Razor-X> where /path/to/tar is where you untarred
[08:06] <Razor-X> stan-am: read above
[08:06] <Razor-X> !pastebin
[08:06] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[08:06] <Razor-X> if you must
[08:06] <stan-am> Razor-X: rite... thnx
[08:06] <ashok> please tell me how to play wmv files
[08:06] <WckdKl0wn> chown: invalid option -- r
[08:07] <HappyFool> !restricted
[08:07] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, well I have a function f(t;xi;T) where t is the variable, xi and T two parameters, I can plot for fixed xi and T the 2D plot f(t), but I'd like to plot f(t;xi) at fixed T, i.e. changin both t AND xi... so I would have some curves on a 3D plot ans I'd like to make a surface with it
[08:07] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:07] <ashok> gxine doesnt recognize wmv format
[08:07] <HappyFool> Razor-X: me! :P
[08:07] <weiers> ok... got Ubuntu installed to dual boot with winblows. Now it does not pick up any sound devices, even though there is an onboard device on the celeron motherboard. How do I go about trying to install sound?
[08:07] <othernoob> ashok: install the w32codecs
[08:07] <ajf> Can I install hoary and use network manager from breezy?
[08:07] <HappyFool> ashok: read the restricted url on the wiki (posted by ubotu above)
[08:07] <ashok> i have it already installed
[08:07] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: hmmm.. Maxima would be useful for that, but you'll have to learn a little bit of syntax
[08:07] <Razor-X> HappyFool: hah
[08:07] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, my input file is formatted as following : t f(t) xi
[08:08] <HappyFool> trevi: try here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[08:08] <othernoob> ashok: then point your player to /usr/lib/w32  (i think )
[08:08] <Razor-X> i'm navigating this IRC channel through keyboard only
[08:08] <Will_> WckdKl0wn: Help me to help you. Tell me what's going on
[08:08] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, I have no much time to learn and install a new software
[08:08] <WckdKl0wn> razor-x, will_ ok i got it untared in the home/unreal3.2
[08:08] <Razor-X> and other IRC channels
[08:08] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: sudo apt-get install maxima
[08:08] <Razor-X> that installs Maxima
[08:08] <Will_> WckdKl0wn: CD into the directory and read the README file
[08:08] <Razor-X> and, trust me, it's not that hard to learn
[08:08] <reka> Razor-X: so are irssi users
[08:08] <teferi> foo, evolution-exchange is still broken...
[08:08] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, I can't I'm not root on the machine
[08:08] <Razor-X> reka: _and_ BitchX users
[08:08] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: ahhhh
[08:09] <HappyFool> Razor-X: I think he just wants to draw some pictures, not learn to use a CAS ;)
[08:09] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: hmmm, then try #gnuplot, i'm guessing
[08:09] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, I have o do this with gnuplot
[08:09] <Razor-X> HappyFool: well, what can I do, I use a CAS much more than I use GNUPlot
[08:09] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, it seems there is no irc channel for gnuplot help
[08:09] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: ahhh... hmmmmm
[08:09] <Razor-X> you can try #maxima
[08:09] <Razor-X> and ask about it there
[08:09] <ashok> the restricted formats has no instructions for wmn
[08:09] <Heimdall_linux> HappyFool, you're right about pictures ;)
[08:09] <ashok> wmv
[08:09] <Razor-X> or even #math
[08:10] <Razor-X> ashok: there's no specific instruction on one format, follow all the instructions
[08:10] <HappyFool> ashok: if you follow those instructions, afaik mplayer will be able to play (some) wmv's
[08:10] <Razor-X> HappyFool: am I the only one who picks up syntax quickly?
[08:10] <Razor-X> I learned GNUPlot in like... 4 hours
[08:10] <weiers> Could somebody give me a pointer as to how to get Ubuntu to recognise a sound device?
[08:10] <Razor-X> errr
[08:10] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, you can see that I already have my 3D plots http://nico.aunai.free.fr/res/T/t.htm but the surface between them is missing
[08:10] <Razor-X> s/GNUPlot/Maxima/
[08:10] <HappyFool> Razor-X: depends how many languages you know
[08:11] <Razor-X> HappyFool: i'm guessing so *shrugs*
[08:11] <HappyFool> ah. i would say that depends if you've used a CAS before -- i found maple very confusing the first time i used it
[08:11] <bojan> hi! i wanted to install netscape, but there is an error message shown: "Couldn't find package libgtk-1.2.so.0
[08:11] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: like I said, I do most of this through the plot2d() and plot3d() functions in Maxima
[08:11] <Razor-X> HappyFool: never did
[08:11] <Heimdall_linux> oh okay
[08:11] <reka> weiers: ask crimsun when he's active
[08:11] <HappyFool> bojan: is there something wrong with firefox?
[08:11] <Razor-X> i'm 15, remember? my main use for a CAS is to observe functions that haven't been explicitly drilled into me
[08:11] <crimsun> weiers: ja?
[08:11] <delire> bojan: did you apt-get update first?
[08:11] <Heimdall_linux> looks like I won't find help in here :-/
[08:12] <Razor-X> and to do some limits and stuff
[08:12] <bojan> HappyFool: no, firefox works fine
[08:12] <bojan> delire: how do you mean this?
[08:12] <weiers> crimsun ... I have ubuntu installed, now, but it does not recognise any sound devices. Where do I begin to look?
[08:12] <crimsun> Heimdall_linux: you'll probably have better luck in a gnuplot-specific channel
[08:12] <ubotu> ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed!
[08:12] <Razor-X> in fact, Spivak's chapter on limits are crazy, because he uses functions like "x * sin x" to explain limits
[08:12] <crimsun> weiers: lspci -v|grep audio
[08:12] <Razor-X> and I don't have the trig functions embedded in my brain
[08:12] <WckdKl0wn> razor-x, will_ hahaha i am a moron i forgot that linux fiels are case sensative in terminal
[08:13] <delire> bojan: it's best to update the list of known and available packages before installing new software. 'sudo apt-get update' achieves this.
[08:13] <Razor-X> s/is/are/
[08:13] <Heimdall_linux> crimsun, yeah it was part of my first question, 'is there a channel for gnuplot ?' but it looks like there is no channel...
[08:13] <ashok> please tell me where will all the downloaded deb files be when synaptics package manager downloads
[08:13] <bojan> delire: yes i did
[08:13] <Razor-X> WckdKl0wn: haha, yeah, it is
[08:13] <reka> weird....what was up with ubotu ?
[08:13] <La_PaRCa> Good morning. I just upgraded from warty to hoary using the repos and now gnome wont start. I get a "warning" when gnome is starting that says "I". Any ideas?
[08:13] <WckdKl0wn> razor-x, will_ lol like i said i am new to linux
[08:13] <HappyFool> reka: maybe cos someone with username 'root' joined
[08:13] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: or, you can try the GNUPlot mailing list
[08:13] <delire> bojan: ok 'apt-cache search libgtk' and install the latest version you can find, and then 'sudo apt-get install netscape'
[08:14] <weiers> hi reka ... devios ... I still don't know if I solved my dual booting problem properly, but I went into my bios setup and made the computer boot up from the ubuntu disk instead of the windows disk. Then it found grub. I could not get it to install grub onto the windows disk.
[08:14] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, it is too complicated to explain by mail I think
[08:14] <HappyFool> ashok: in /var/lib/cache/apt, i think
[08:14] <Razor-X> HappyFool: cos(pi); heh
[08:14] <HappyFool> ashok: but you shouldn't need to no
[08:14] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: not really, you'll be surprised
[08:14] <delire> bojan: i don't know whether it's called netscape in ubuntu (i'm on debian right now)
[08:14] <Razor-X> a lot of patching is fixed on mailing lists
[08:14] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, (What I wann do, I mean)
[08:14] <WckdKl0wn> razor-x, will_ what would this mean???...... Would you like to compile as a hub or as a leaf?
[08:14] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: like I said, try #maxima
[08:15] <Heimdall_linux> ah I didn't see that :)
[08:15] <bojan> delire: yes it is, i'm trying the search now
[08:15] <devios> weiers: after booting into ubuntu, you might be able to manually install grub to the other disk...
[08:15] <Razor-X> WckdKl0wn: i'm assuming, you would want to compile as a leaf
[08:15] <Razor-X> but let me google that
[08:15] <loftus> Razor-X, use octave with gnuplot. Useful if you do more maths later aswell.
[08:15] <Howitzer> Okay
[08:15] <WckdKl0wn> ok
[08:15] <crimsun> reka: the bot says that whenever a client with an ident of *root@ joins
[08:15] <Heimdall_linux> Razor-X, it is not a channel :-D
[08:15] <topyli> ashok: /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:15] <Howitzer> i'm sick of the fact that Firefox is such a memory hog
[08:15] <WckdKl0wn> howitzer, install opera then
[08:15] <reka> crimsun: ah. :)
[08:15] <WckdKl0wn> howitzer, thats what i use and there is a big difference
[08:15] <reka> crimsun: first time i've seen it.
[08:15] <Razor-X> Heimdall_linux: ok then, #math ;)
[08:15] <Howitzer> does anybody know a VERY similar browser, but less resource-needing?
[08:16] <Heimdall_linux> lol
[08:16] <Howitzer> ah
[08:16] <Howitzer> okay
[08:16] <Razor-X> loftus: what's the difference between Octave and Maxima?
[08:16] <La_PaRCa> Good morning. I just upgraded from warty to hoary using the repos and now gnome wont start. I get a "warning" when gnome is starting that says "I". Any ideas?
[08:16] <crimsun> Howitzer: epiphany? galeon? dillo? opera?
[08:16] <weiers> crimsum: I typed that command lspci -v|grep audio. the command line just moved on without seeming to do anything.
[08:16] <Razor-X> WckdKl0wn: here we go
[08:16] <crimsun> weiers: ok. What computer?
[08:16] <HappyFool> Razor-X: octave is for numerics; not a CAS, more like matlab
[08:16] <Razor-X> are you going to be an individual server?
[08:16] <bojan> delire: thx a lot. it works now
[08:16] <WckdKl0wn> yes
[08:16] <weiers> Pentium 4,
[08:16] <Razor-X> HappyFool: then, there's no point, really...
[08:16] <weiers> crimsun : P4, celeron
[08:16] <Razor-X> I deal much more with Algebra than I do with numbers themselves
[08:16] <HappyFool> Razor-X: heh. i use matlab every day ;)
[08:17] <delire> bojan: no problem, sometimes you just need to install the latest version first ;) (very rarely though)
[08:17] <Centaur> Is there a way to upgrade a driver that ubuntu installed?
[08:17] <weiers> crimsun: onboard sounddevice
[08:17] <crimsun> weiers: onboard sound, or...?
[08:17] <reka> La_PaRCa: can you get to console?
[08:17] <La_PaRCa> reka, yeah
[08:17] <crimsun> weiers: ok. Please paste the output of lspci -v onto the pastebin in the topic
[08:17] <WckdKl0wn> razor-x, individual server a leaf?
[08:17] <bojan> delire: ok :-)
[08:17] <Howitzer> $ehh
[08:17] <lenoxmo> server irc.cl
[08:17] <Howitzer> opera
[08:17] <Razor-X> WckdKl0wn: then use leaf
[08:17] <lenoxmo> ups
[08:17] <ashok> nope is not available happyfool
[08:18] <Razor-X> errrr!
[08:18] <Razor-X> WckdKl0wn: no! not yet, no!
[08:18] <HappyFool> ashok: i don't understand? what do you mean?
[08:18] <Howitzer> the package opera doesn't exist and when i do apt-cache search, i get +500 files :/
[08:18] <Razor-X> use hub, my bad!
[08:18] <reka> La_PaRCa: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:18] <delire> 'apt-cache search nope' hmm same here.
[08:18] <Razor-X> if you're not going to link to other servers, use hub
[08:18] <reka> La_PaRCa: and have a look for errors
[08:18] <WckdKl0wn> howitzer, go to opera.com/downloads/
[08:18] <cikilin> hello and help
[08:18] <ateves> is there a nice editor for linux supporting ruby syntax highlighting?
[08:18] <cikilin> help!!!!!!
[08:18] <reka> La_PaRCa: although it might be that you just need to reconfigure
[08:18] <La_PaRCa> reka, doest exist
[08:19] <topyli> Howitzer: only opera.com provides opera AFAIK
[08:19] <HappyFool> ateves: emacs maybe? (i presume there's a ruby mode)
[08:19] <ateves> i'll give it a try
[08:19] <La_PaRCa> reka, if you could point me in that general direction
[08:19] <Will_> cikilin: Tell us what is wrong, please?
[08:19] <cikilin> my ubuntu is crazy
[08:19] <HappyFool> ateves: otherwise vim is a standard hacker editor, and you could look at eclipse, if it has a ruby plugin
[08:19] <reka> La_PaRCa: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[08:19] <HappyFool> that would be the Crazy Camel release?
[08:19] <reka> La_PaRCa: to make a backup copy
[08:19] <Howitzer> Buy Opera
[08:19] <La_PaRCa> reka, ok
[08:19] <Howitzer>     * you get more browser area by removing the ad-banner
[08:19] <Howitzer> wtf
[08:20] <ateves> eclipse is my personal enemy :D
[08:20] <cikilin> i started up the system and the mouce start playing and opening windows
[08:20] <Razor-X> yeah, Opera is awesome
[08:20] <reka> La_PaRCa: then: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:20] <Howitzer> you get ads IN your browser?
[08:20] <lenoxmo> server irc.cl
[08:20] <Bubbling_Zombie> Howitzer ?
[08:20] <topyli> Howitzer: yep
[08:20] <weiers> crimsun ... my first experience in using the paste bin. I hope I did it right, quite a bit of data ... pasted it under my name, weiers
[08:20] <Howitzer> btw
[08:20] <La_PaRCa> reka, will do
[08:20] <ed1t> Howitzer, yea in opera
[08:20] <Bubbling_Zombie> \o/ fellow games.telenetter \o/ /o\
[08:20] <ed1t> not in firefox
[08:20] <crimsun> weiers: k
[08:20] <cikilin> i havnt controil for a min
[08:20] <Howitzer> does anybody know how to theme your mouse?
[08:20] <Razor-X> Howitzer: don't tell me you're a "OMG I hate costly stuff!" person
[08:20] <ashok> i mean.. if i want to take a backup of all the downloaded deb files in a cd and later use it, where shld i find them ?
[08:20] <Razor-X> remember, free is libre, not beer ;)
[08:20] <Howitzer> i'm not
[08:20] <dean> you can use scite for ruby editing too
[08:20] <cikilin> will any ideea?
[08:20] <Howitzer> i WOULD py for quality things if i COULD :(
[08:21] <crimsun> weiers: you need to compile the snd_azx driver from universe's alsa-source
[08:21] <crimsun> !tell weiers about alsa-source
[08:21] <La_PaRCa> reka, this might be why. There is no Xorg.conf there. *wince*
[08:21] <topyli> Howitzer: by installing mouse themes :)
[08:21] <Razor-X> I have $100 USD saved up...
[08:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> Howitzer, you're using gnome i s'pose?
[08:21] <Razor-X> wonder what i'll buy... hmmm...
[08:21] <reka> La_PaRCa: :)
[08:21] <Howitzer> topyli, and how do i do that?
[08:21] <Howitzer> yes i do
[08:21] <cikilin> help!
[08:21] <Howitzer> Bubbling_Zombie, !!!!!!
[08:21] <Razor-X> I was thinking a Das Keyboard
[08:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> Howitzer !!!!!!!!!!!
[08:21] <Howitzer> alig
[08:21] <cikilin> is doing again
[08:21] <topyli> Howitzer: go to art.gnome.org or someplace and get a theme. install and change
[08:21] <Razor-X> but.... the keyboard weighs the Ctrl key at 60 grams
[08:21] <Razor-X> which may hurt my emacsing
[08:21] <reka> La_PaRCa: it's xorg.conf btw....case matters
[08:22] <La_PaRCa> reka, weird... the package xserver-xorg is not installed
[08:22] <Will_> Gods, why am I lagging so. I'm getting stuff in bursts
[08:22] <reka> La_PaRCa: the big X is for the log
[08:22] <La_PaRCa> *frow*
[08:22] <reka> La_PaRCa: ah
[08:22] <jasontech> Anyone know why I get assembly gnome-sharp could not be loaded when I try to run f-spot?
[08:22] <La_PaRCa> reka, it wasnt supposed to do that tho
[08:22] <reka> La_PaRCa: sounds like you need to isntall that then.
[08:23] <Howitzer> ehh
[08:23] <La_PaRCa> reka, I dont get it... then how am I running XChat?
[08:23] <jasontech> If that was a "global" message, why didn't I get it in other channels?
[08:23] <reka> La_PaRCa: lol
[08:23] <reka> La_PaRCa: you must still have warty's xfree86 or something
[08:23] <La_PaRCa> reka, I guess XFree is still there...
[08:23] <reka> yeah
[08:24] <HappyFool> jasontech: was sent to you, not the #. I think x-chat shows 'global' messages in the current window
[08:24] <topyli> why does my gnome-terminal always crash when i ssh to a sunOS server?
[08:24] <Bubbling_Zombie> jasontech, it was a "notice" send to everyone. Not every channel
[08:24] <weiers> crimsun your !tell command has sent me a bunch of greek (at least... that is the one language I don't really understand) ... but I will go and try.  Is there any reason why I cannot use synaptic to find the snd-azx package and install it?
[08:24] <La_PaRCa> reka, I am having trouble connecting to the hoary repos as it is.
[08:24] <crimsun> weiers: because you have to compile yourself
[08:24] <crimsun> weiers: the instructions are in that message
[08:24] <reka> La_PaRCa: i'll have to leave you in the capable hands of the other people in #ubuntu.  i have to go
[08:24] <jasontech> Well, I haven't used IRC in 5 years, so its been a while
[08:24] <reka> good luck
[08:24] <crimsun> weiers: just copy and paste that command (starting with sudo) into your terminal
[08:25] <reka> people! help out La_PaRCa
[08:25] <La_PaRCa> reka, thanks a lot, have fun.
[08:25] <reka> La_PaRCa: yeah..going to sleep :)
[08:25] <WckdKl0wn> razor-x, ty for ur help
[08:25] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: what's the problem?
[08:25] <jasontech> So no one can help me with gnome-sharp and f-spot?
[08:26] <weiers> crimsun: ok... I will try to shelve my fear for the unknown and do it, will hopefully get back to you if there is a problem. Thanks for the help
[08:26] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, um, I upgraded from warty to hoary using the repositories, but XOrg didnt install, so I am on XFree, but now gnome wont start.
[08:26] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, that, and I cant connect to the repositories because my connection sucks.
[08:26] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: you cannot connect or it's just really slow?
[08:26] <Howitzer> oh damn mn
[08:26] <hmrocha> Hello
[08:26] <Howitzer> i need more RAM
[08:26] <hmrocha> i'm using postfix as an mta
[08:27] <hmrocha> What pop/imap server do you recomend me?
[08:27] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, no way to tell. Could be either.
[08:27] <Razor-X> hmmm... how can you fit like... 2 pages on one page
[08:27] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, its staying at 0% forever
[08:27] <Razor-X> i'm forgetting... there was something for that....
[08:27] <topyli> hmrocha: dovecot
[08:27] <The_Vox> hmrocha: I like courier.
[08:28] <The_Vox> topyli: I haven't tried dovecot...is it worth it?
[08:28] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: hmm
[08:28] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: what sort of system do you have?
[08:28] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: and how did you do the upgrade? CD or over the net?
[08:28] <topyli> The_Vox: well, it's light, simple and secure
[08:28] <topyli> The_Vox: my server has two users :)
[08:28] <wims> what's the apt-get line for installing gcc ?
[08:28] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, Athlon XP, on some generic mobo, and over the net.
[08:28] <HappyFool> wims: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:29] <wims> HappyFool cheers
[08:29] <Howitzer> i'm off to take a dump
[08:29] <Bubbling_Zombie> lol :')
[08:29] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, oh wait, it just updated. :)
[08:29] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: ah?
[08:29] <The_Vox> topyli: oh, 2 users :) my smallest mail server has 2,000 :)
[08:29] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, so the repo thing is out of the way.
[08:29] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, now, I just have to get gnome working.
[08:29] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: so now the only problem is that you have old X?
[08:30] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: ok, can you put your /etc/apt/sources.list up on the pastebin?
[08:30] <ateves> i recently installed vim-gnome via apt. but how can i start it?
[08:30] <La_PaRCa> I cant tell you whats there.
[08:30] <Bubbling_Zombie> ateves, gvim
[08:30] <topyli> The_Vox: heh. i don't know what dovecot can handle. check out dovecot.org, they're pretty honest :)
[08:30] <ateves> argh
[08:30] <cmtheory> hi
[08:30] <ateves> Bubbling_Zombie: thx. i tried "vim-gnome" all the time
[08:30] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: sorry, i don't understand that
[08:30] <Bubbling_Zombie> :)
[08:30] <La_PaRCa> everything up to multiverse. had to comment uot security for now because that was the one giving me problems.
[08:30] <HappyFool> ateves: maybe 'gvim'
[08:31] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: and you're sure it's hoary, not warty?
[08:31] <jasontech> nevermind, I just needed to install gtk-sharp
[08:31] <hmrocha> And Qpopper pop3 server?
[08:31] <min> hi, can somebody help me with esd?  the wiki describes what to do, except that it breaks off in the middle of a sentence
[08:31] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, I told vim to replace all instances of warty to hoary, and I checked it by hand again, so yes.
[08:32] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: ok, and maybe comment out the cd line as well (at the top)
[08:32] <cmtheory> question: how do i change the permissions of all files and folders on a drive... is there a option 'chmod 777' that does all the content in the folder?
[08:32] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, done as well.
[08:32] <devios> chmod -R 777
[08:32] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: hmm. ok, so what happened when you did dist-upgrade?
[08:32] <cmtheory> tnx
[08:32] <devios> np
[08:32] <HappyFool> cmtheory: yes, but do be careful -- don't change permissions of /usr, for instance
[08:33] <cmtheory> sure;)
[08:33] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, went without a hitch, and then X got hose because of some shared library, so I did ldconfig, and now X starts but gnome is dead. Very dead. It just gives me a warning dialog without any text.
[08:33] <Howitzer> what does chmod do?
[08:33] <hybrid_goth> change moderator
[08:33] <dean> chance the permissions on a file
[08:33] <dean> *change
[08:33] <Howitzer> oh
[08:33] <hybrid_goth> chown changes ownership
[08:33] <dean> e.g. so people can't read or write it
[08:33] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: do you remember which library?
[08:34] <hybrid_goth> dean: whats the x arg on chmod do
[08:34] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, um, nope-
[08:34] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: you said you had XFree86 still, though, so the upgrade couldn't have been complete
[08:34] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, let me try and install xserver-xorg by hand
[08:34] <dean> sets the file so you can execute it
[08:34] <dean> it lets you enter a folder, or run the file if its a script
[08:35] <Discipulus> I have supercharged dial-up
[08:35] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: hmm. how about try 'apt-get dist-upgrade' again, see if it tries to update anything
[08:35] <Bubbling_Zombie> x for eXcecutable
[08:35] <Howitzer> rofl
[08:35] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, ok.
[08:36] <dean> jasontech: whats the problem with gtk# ?
[08:36] <Howitzer> Galeon is the one i like the most, but appearantly, it's a s much of a memory hog as Firefox :(
[08:36] <Bubbling_Zombie> web browsing _is_ a memory hog
[08:36] <hybrid_goth> is there a lynx equalivant of w3m-img or links2 -g?
[08:36] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, its bitching about gtksourceview-common
[08:37] <cmtheory> oh! another one: how do i change the name 'ubuntu' displayed when my pc starts up? (loading kernel phase)
[08:37] <Discipulus> Anyone wanna see a screenshot of my supercharged dial-up?
[08:37] <guillem> Heh! I've just installed ubuntu in my new computer ;-))))
[08:37] <Trackilizer> hey ppl
[08:37] <cmtheory> hey
[08:37] <Trackilizer> i need some help
[08:37] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: hmm. my apt-cache doesn't find that
[08:37] <La_PaRCa> it says, and I quote
[08:37] <Centaur> How can I find out the version of a driver that ubuntu installed?
[08:37] <Trackilizer> im using this theme atm
[08:37] <guillem> However I'm having trouble with my nvidia card: it displays some random noise with either opensource or nvidia drivers.
[08:37] <Trackilizer> http://art.gnome.org/themes/gtk2/571
[08:37] <hybrid_goth> is there a lynx equalivant of w3m-img or links2 -g?
[08:37] <Howitzer> damn
[08:37] <Howitzer> i'm seriously liking Galeon
[08:38] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, it needs 1.2.0 but 1.0.2 is gonna be installed.
[08:38] <Trackilizer> i want to use these icons the thing is i dont know how to intall them
[08:38] <Trackilizer> http://art.gnome.org/themes/icon/1049
[08:38] <topyli> hybrid_goth: no
[08:38] <Bubbling_Zombie> hey Howitzer , decided on your secondary distro yet?
[08:38] <dean> cmtheory: IIRC - you change the contents of /etc/hostname
[08:38] <guillem> Lower resolutions seem to display lower noise...
[08:38] <stan-am> hey guys, can anyone give me a hand? im trying to install jdk, ive already unpacked that thing but i dont really know what to do next
[08:38] <ed1t> lol
[08:38] <Trackilizer> anyone?
[08:38] <stan-am> hey guys, can anyone give me a hand? im trying to install jdk, ive already unpacked that thing but i dont really know what to do next
[08:38] <Bubbling_Zombie> Trackilizer, download the file
[08:38] <Bubbling_Zombie> desktop - preferences
[08:39] <Howitzer> Bubbling_Zombie, inope
[08:39] <Trackilizer> i have
[08:39] <min> stan-am, you can install JDK through Synaptic
[08:39] <Bubbling_Zombie> theme
[08:39] <stan-am> what is that min?
[08:39] <Bubbling_Zombie> install theme, select the downloaded file
[08:39] <Howitzer> i've tried Debianpure, Minislack, Redhat, Gentoo, Slackware,...
[08:39] <Bubbling_Zombie> select it in "theme details"
[08:39] <min> System | Administration | Synaptic package Manager
[08:39] <Howitzer> every single time, i crawl back to Ubuntu
[08:39] <Bubbling_Zombie> lol
[08:39] <Howitzer> it just rocks so damn hard
[08:39] <ed1t> coz ubuntu is great!
[08:39] <stan-am> can you give me the steps, im very VERY new at this min
[08:39] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, I just apt-get -f install, see what happens there.
[08:40] <ztonzy> it rocks :)
[08:40] <cmtheory> dean: not the hostname, but the thing that pops up right after grub.
[08:40] <stan-am> min: please
[08:40] <hybrid_goth> topyli: do you know of any other browsers like w3m-img or links2 -g
[08:40] <ed1t> i dont even try  trying out different distros...
[08:40] <wims> is it possible to install java sdk with apt-get
[08:40] <min> stan-am, yes I'm new too, but I succeeded in doing it the other day ;)
[08:40] <Trackilizer> thnaks alot dude
[08:40] <Trackilizer> it worked
[08:40] <guillem> Well looks like I'm getting used to it :-((
[08:40] <Trackilizer> :)
[08:40] <topyli> hybrid_goth: not really. emacs? i think it uses w3m
[08:40] <Bubbling_Zombie> nice
[08:40] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: 1.0.1 is warty, 1.2.0 is hoary -- not 1.0.2
[08:40] <Trackilizer> again thanks alot
[08:40] <ed1t> !tell wims about java
[08:40] <Trackilizer> bye
[08:40] <Howitzer> the user that dares doing 'sudo rm /' will recieve candy!!
[08:40] <Bubbling_Zombie> bye
[08:40] <Bubbling_Zombie> Howitzer, sudo rm -rf /
[08:40] <Bubbling_Zombie> more fun -_-
[08:41] <Howitzer> oh
[08:41] <Howitzer> why?
[08:41] <hybrid_goth> a
[08:41] <Howitzer> :D
[08:41] <Bubbling_Zombie> (dont do this at home peepz !)
[08:41] <The_Vox> Bubbling_Zombie: even more fun: sudo rm -rf / &
[08:41] <HappyFool> La_PaRCa: you don't have any non-ubuntu repositories by any chance?
[08:41] <Bubbling_Zombie> -r = recursivly, -f = force
[08:41] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, I had marillat, but commented those out as well
[08:41] <Howitzer> lol
[08:41] <Bubbling_Zombie> The_Vox, nah. At least now they're knowing something is going _TOTALLY_ wrong :')
[08:41] <La_PaRCa> brb
[08:42] <The_Vox> Bubbling_Zombie: the & makes it lots more fun...the look of surprise in the face when "ls: command not found" stares at them ;)
[08:42] <Bubbling_Zombie> lol
[08:42] <Bubbling_Zombie> ok, that way ^-^
[08:42] <Howitzer> rofl
[08:42] <cmtheory> dean: 'booting ubuntu' or something
[08:42] <Howitzer> bastard :D
[08:42] <Bubbling_Zombie> Howitzer, did you just do that -_-
[08:42] <Howitzer> sudo reboot'
[08:42] <Howitzer> 'command not found"
[08:42] <Howitzer> ehh
[08:42] <Howitzer> i did it on my laptop
[08:43] <The_Vox> Bubbling_Zombie: at my local LUG we used to do that to idiots that kept su'ed terminals open and left their computers unwatched...everybody learned security the hard way ;)
[08:43] <Howitzer> The_Vox, you damn bastard OO
[08:43] <Howitzer> The_Vox Bubbling_Zombie: at my local LUG we used to do that to idiots that kept su'ed terminals open and left their computers unwatched...everybody learned security the hard way ;)
[08:43] <Bubbling_Zombie> ok o_O
[08:43] <Bubbling_Zombie> Howitze _never_ pisses me off :F
[08:43] <Howitzer> wow
[08:44] <Howitzer> cool
[08:44] <Howitzer> hey wait
[08:44] <Howitzer> didn't you give me positive rating on tng? :D
[08:44] <The_Vox> Howitzer: let me tell you something....I've never seen anything as fast as rm -rf / on a Sun with all-around SCSI disks....that damn thing was empty almost before we hit enter lol!
[08:44] <Bubbling_Zombie> yeh :p
[08:45] <Howitzer> oeh
[08:45] <Bubbling_Zombie> oh, that theme tracker<thingy> gave me is one nice theme !
[08:45] <Howitzer> i might try that somewhere
[08:45] <Bubbling_Zombie> the splash scren of diasce2 scares me
[08:45] <Bubbling_Zombie> _bigtime_
[08:45] <topyli> if you ssh to a sun server, and from there to another linux box, gnome-terminal will crash
[08:46] <Bubbling_Zombie> topyli, have you tried another terminal?
[08:46] <topyli> it makes gnome-terminal rule a bit less :)
[08:46] <The_Vox> topyli: if you look at it with your eyes twisted just right, gnome-terminal will crash
[08:46] <topyli> Bubbling_Zombie: xterm
[08:46] <highvoltage> topyli: it doesn't take much to make gnome-terminal crash
[08:46] <Bubbling_Zombie> does it crash?
[08:46] <topyli> so it seem s:)
[08:46] <The_Vox> topyli: that's why every enlightened human being uses either konsole or Eterm :)
[08:46] <topyli> Bubbling_Zombie: no
[08:46] <Bubbling_Zombie> aterm > *
[08:46] <highvoltage> topyli: running things in screen helps
[08:46] <Howitzer> The_Vox, i use gnome console :/
[08:46] <topyli> yes
[08:47] <The_Vox> Howitzer: poor you :)
[08:47] <highvoltage> oooh, konsole is terrible (sorry, don't want to start a terminal war)
[08:47] <topyli> highvoltage: but it's annoying. i love gnome-terminal every other way
[08:47] <r0d> ahh...most ppl in here use gnome
[08:47] <highvoltage> topyli: have you tried Terminal before?
[08:47] <ed1t> yep coz gnome rocks
[08:47] <Bubbling_Zombie> i'm an aterm addict *sobs*
[08:47] <Howitzer> but ehh
[08:47] <Bubbling_Zombie> it's from my fluxbox days !
[08:47] <highvoltage> it's from XFCE. it looks and works exactly the same, but it's lighter, and more stable.
[08:47] <topyli> highvoltage: i think it's a gnome 2.10 feature :)
[08:48] <Howitzer> can you make aterm display a toolbar?
[08:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> you dont
[08:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> :p
[08:48] <The_Vox> highvoltage: terrible in what aspect? it hasn't crashed on me yet (I've been only using kde for 6 weeks, so I don't have as much experience with it as I could)
[08:48] <r0d> yea i dont like kde fisher price emulation
[08:48] <highvoltage> The_Vox: well, to be honest, i just strongly disklike its keyboard shortcuts.
[08:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> rofl r0d
[08:48] <h08817> hello everyone
[08:48] <The_Vox> Bubbling_Zombie: I used Eterm for...7 or 8 years, I think :)
[08:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> hi h08817
[08:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> hehe.
[08:48] <Howitzer> can you run Konsole in Gnome?
[08:49] <Bubbling_Zombie> sure Howitzer
[08:49] <Howitzer> ah
[08:49] <highvoltage> Howitzer: yes, you can.
[08:49] <r0d> why would you want too
[08:49] <Howitzer> because i want to use the most-light-weight programs now
[08:49] <highvoltage> Howitzer: it would be a better option to install XFCE, and use Terminal.
[08:49] <Bubbling_Zombie> Howitzer, aterm !!!
[08:49] <Howitzer> my system is on constant overload :x
[08:49] <cyphase> hey everyone
[08:49] <r0d> Bubbling_Zombie,  is right
[08:49] <The_Vox> highvoltage: nothing that can't be fixed with applying the proper hammer...I'm a dvorak user, so most kboard shortcuts on most everything suck for me...first thing I do when trying a new program is mess with the shortcuts :)
[08:49] <Howitzer> but i want to keep Gnome :(
[08:49] <Bubbling_Zombie> Howitzer, ofcourse
[08:50] <cyphase> modem fixed! woohoo! :D
[08:50] <Bubbling_Zombie> what keeps you? just don't de-install gnome and everything is ok
[08:50] <Bubbling_Zombie> they don't interfere
[08:50] <Howitzer> but serious, 256mb ram sucks :(
[08:50] <topyli> Howitzer: well, gnome-terminal is just about perfect
[08:50] <cyphase> DSL..
[08:50] <highvoltage> Howitzer: you keep gnome, you just use Terminal. it uses gtk, so no big overhead like konsole.
[08:50] <The_Vox> Howitzer: "gnome" and "want light programs" don't mix :)
[08:50] <Howitzer> lol
[08:50] <h08817> well kinda funny earlier today i got ubuntu to install on a 386 U.S. logic
[08:50] <devios> only way to fix a modem is to run it over with a truck and get high-speed... F modems.
[08:50] <Howitzer> KDE and light-weight-programs don't mix aswell :D
[08:50] <dean> is ksh available onubuntu?
[08:50] <highvoltage> h08817: how much RAM did it have?
[08:50] <The_Vox> Howitzer: then again, "kde" and "light programs" don't mix either :)
[08:51] <Bubbling_Zombie> Howitzer, just switch to xfce4 then
[08:51] <topyli> highvoltage: i can't debug now because my work box is down, but could this be because of the sunOS/linux switches?
[08:51] <The_Vox> Howitzer: if you want light, you use fluxbox or xfce
[08:51] <r0d> KDE itself isnt really the 'lightweight' sloution in general
[08:51] <Bubbling_Zombie> or fluxbox, ofcourse
[08:51] <Howitzer> what about openbox?
[08:51] <mypapit> kde and light programs dont mix? hmmm... interesting discovery today...
[08:51] <r0d> Howitzer, what version of kde are you running?
[08:51] <highvoltage> topyli: anything is possible, my improbability drive isn't working now, but as soon as my new kernel has compiled I'll tell you.
[08:51] <h08817> highvoltage, not much at all
[08:52] <Howitzer> i'm thinking of installing W98 as second os
[08:52] <The_Vox> mypapit: meaning that kde is resource hungry, not that you can't run light-weight programs in it :)
[08:52] <ed1t> why win98?!?!
[08:52] <Howitzer> r0d, i'm using Gnome
[08:52] <dean> whoops, found it!
[08:52] <HappyFool> dean: there's something called pdksh -- public domain ksh
[08:52] <h08817> it kept crashing at installing components and finally went thru
[08:52] <h08817> i used smartbootmanager
[08:52] <mypapit> The_Vox, ok i c
[08:52] <xliu> how to adjust the size of icons in gnome?
[08:52] <Howitzer> ed1t, i want to play my games again tbh
[08:52] <ed1t> lol
[08:52] <Howitzer> xliu, right-click 'resize icon-size'
[08:53] <The_Vox> mypapit: thing is, any desktop environment will be resource hungry...if you need light-weight, you gotta go to simple windowmanagers
[08:53] <dean> bash is driving me crazy after using ksh at work all day :)
[08:53] <Bubbling_Zombie> fluxbox all the way for light window systems
[08:53] <Howitzer> anyway
[08:53] <Howitzer> i installed some light-weight managers
[08:53] <Howitzer> i'm going to test 'm all
[08:53] <The_Vox> Bubbling_Zombie: I tend to agree with that
[08:53] <Howitzer> see you guys in a few minutes
[08:53] <Bubbling_Zombie> bb
[08:54] <zecke> Xorg  Issues (version 6.8.2-42): Where do I get xdpyinfo from to fullfill the dependency
[08:54] <topyli> highvoltage: ok. i'll turn on the linux box when i have business at that part of town too
[08:54] <zecke> who should install xkb rules in /etc/X11/xkb?
[08:55] <Bubbling_Zombie> bbiab
[08:55] <The_Vox> zecke: xbase-clients
[08:55] <topyli> highvoltage: my vacation starts today so i shut it down. what was i thinking! :)
[08:56] <xliu> Howitzer, there is no "resize icon-size"
[08:56] <zecke> The_Vox: okay I've an issue then: xbase-clients depends on xdpyinfo and my xkb rules are already deleted...
[08:57] <Bubbling_Zombie> ooooh
[08:57] <Bubbling_Zombie> isn't this xfce4 thingy nice
[08:57] <hybrid_goth> Bubbling_Zombie: yes
[08:57] <topyli> it is
[08:57] <Bubbling_Zombie> if you see a mushroom cloud , it wasn't me -_-
[08:58] <topyli> it's not gnome though
[08:58] <antix> what's the package called that gives a nice splash screen when booting? and when shutting down..
[08:58] <The_Vox> zecke: xbase-clients depends on xdpyinfo???
[08:58] <dr_willis> bootsplash
[08:58] <dr_willis> perhaps.
[08:59] <topyli> there are "nice" splash screens?
[08:59] <xliu> Thanks Howitzer, but i still do not know how to adjust icon size in gnome?
[08:59] <dean> antix: usplash
[08:59] <dean> or rather it will be :)
[08:59] <ALexBO> i've a problem whit this... $> man woman; the result is: >$Segmentation faults (core dumped). In your opinion, if i do it with root privilegis, it can work?
[08:59] <ALexBO> i'm joking...
[08:59] <zecke> The_Vox: according to aptitude it does
[08:59] <ALexBO> *lol*
[08:59] <Bubbling_Zombie> ALexBO, try hitting it over the head with info
[08:59] <Bubbling_Zombie> and if that doesn't work,just set it on fire
[09:00] <delire> Razor-X: have you worked much with 'mouse gestures' in Opera?
[09:00] <ALexBO> Bubbling_Zombie: lol
[09:00] <The_Vox> zecke: are you using breezy?
[09:00] <ALexBO> Bubbling_Zombie: maybe i've worked too much
[09:01] <ed1t> !realplayer
[09:01] <ubotu> I don't know, ed1t
[09:01] <ed1t> !package realplayer
[09:01] <ubotu> I don't know, ed1t
[09:01] <Bubbling_Zombie> _maybe_ he says -_-
[09:01] <zecke> The_Vox: yes
[09:01] <The_Vox> zecke: because my hoardy xbase-clients doesn't depend on xdpyinfo according to aptitude
[09:01] <ed1t> !help
[09:01] <The_Vox> zecke: file a bug, broken package
[09:01] <anto9us> ALexBO: if you're trying woman out then make sure you have plenty of cache
[09:01] <delire> anto9us: i really don't know how to respond to that.
[09:01] <delire> well done.
[09:02] <anto9us> :P
[09:02] <xliu> hi everyone, how to adjust the icon size in gnome?
[09:02] <jdbolt> does anyone know if hoary supports SLI?
[09:02] <teferi> highly unlikely
[09:03] <topyli> zecke: it _provides_ xdpyinfo
[09:03] <Servo888> Hey - one the first first ubuntu CD that you burn - does it include java?
[09:03] <ed1t> Servo888, no
[09:03] <teferi> Servo888: no
[09:03] <ed1t> !tell Servo888 about java
[09:03] <ed1t> thank to kbrooks
[09:04] <ed1t> thanks*
[09:04] <antix> dean, or splashy? neither is in my repositories
[09:04] <hybrid_goth> hey yall g2g for a while
[09:04] <hybrid_goth> ttyl
[09:04] <ed1t> later hybrid_goth
[09:05] <Howitzer> hmmm
[09:05] <Howitzer> xfce is nice
[09:05] <Bubbling_Zombie> hehe
[09:05] <dean> antix: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41709
[09:05] <Bubbling_Zombie> Howitzer, trying it too atm
[09:05] <Bubbling_Zombie> _o_
[09:05] <Howitzer> but fluxbox and xfce are kind of hard to fully learn
[09:05] <dean> I'd talk you through, but i have to go
[09:05] <Howitzer> it all looks so complicated :D
[09:05] <Bubbling_Zombie> Howitzer, nah. Just don' t be scared of the commandline
[09:06] <Bubbling_Zombie> it doesn't bite
[09:06] <Bubbling_Zombie> hard
[09:06] <Howitzer> i'm not
[09:06] <Howitzer> but it's not fluxbox or xfce itself
[09:06] <kbrooks> ed1t, heh, yw
[09:06] <Howitzer> it's the fact tht it's new and you don't know it 'automaticly' like with KDE or Gnome
[09:07] <Bubbling_Zombie> ah well. if you need help with fluxbox drop me a line
[09:07] <Bubbling_Zombie> :)
[09:07] <tmacd> Hello all, I'm having issues with installing glade using synaptic. I'm getting the following: W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libx/libxml-parser-perl/libxml-parser-perl_2.34-4_i386.deb
[09:07] <teferi> ah, got a strace log of the postinst script...
[09:07] <tmacd>   MD5Sum mismatch
[09:07] <Bubbling_Zombie> you know where to find me
[09:07] <Bubbling_Zombie> (besides here -_- )
[09:07] <kbrooks> tmacd, dont use us.archive
[09:07] <kbrooks> its broken
[09:07] <tmacd> Which server should I use?
[09:07] <Servo888> So can somebody send me the filename of the latest java (or the deb file name). I don't have my ubunutu box near by - it's away and on dialup so I'm going to have to download java on my current machine.
[09:08] <boow> just get it from java.com
[09:08] <The_Vox> Servo888: sun-j2re1.5 sun-j2sdk1.5
[09:08] <antix> dean: thanks!
[09:08] <tmacd> OK, I'll give that a try, thanks
[09:08] <danirc_> hola
[09:08] <comune> hello
[09:08] <jose__> hello
[09:08] <lollercoaster> ColonelKernel: sup
[09:09] <Bubbling_Zombie> y hallo thar
[09:09] <dean> antix: np
[09:09] <comune> someone knows if there is an application that allows me to resize a lot of images?
[09:09] <danirc_> como estas jose
[09:09] <dean> g'bye all
[09:09] <danirc> hola
[09:09] <Bubbling_Zombie> ^-^
[09:09] <HappyFool> Servo888: i used jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin  from sun.com (or java.sun.com, possibly)
[09:09] <teferi> GOT IT!
[09:09] <teferi> HA
[09:09] <The_Vox> comadreja: ImageMagik
[09:09] <jose__> tony que tal te va el chat
[09:09] <teferi> thank god for strace
[09:09] <danirc_> de maravilla
[09:09] <Bubbling_Zombie> english, anybody -_-
[09:09] <danirc> que tal os va el curso de Kinux?
[09:10] <kbrooks> tmacd,
[09:10] <kbrooks> tmacd, archive
[09:10] <teferi> Just for the record, if anyone's having trouble with the latest breezy xlibs.
[09:10] <teferi> You need to make sure that /etc/X11/xkb/{symbols,types,geometry,compat,keycodes}/ exist before trying to install it
[09:10] <danirc_> how to install adobe acrobat plug-in in firefox?
[09:10] <teferi> Otherwise it'll fail trying to get rid of them
[09:11] <danirc__> how to install adobe plug-in in firefox
[09:11] <lollercoaster> lol
[09:11] <lollercoaster> foreign people
[09:11] <lollercoaster> "how to make t3h lunix??"
[09:11] <HappyFool> danirc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AcrobatHowTo
[09:11] <jose__> thanks
[09:11] <lollercoaster> kan jy ek verstaan
[09:12] <danirc_> thanks
[09:12] <Bubbling_Zombie> lollercoaster, is that supposed to resemble dutch? :p
[09:12] <HappyFool> it's afrikaans -- bad afrikaans
[09:12] <Bubbling_Zombie> lol :p
[09:12] <Bubbling_Zombie> k ^-^
[09:12] <lollercoaster> heh
[09:12] <The_Vox> lollercoaster: foreign to where? :)
[09:12] <lollercoaster> to me
[09:12] <lollercoaster> and to the english language
[09:13] <The_Vox> lollercoaster: I know plenty of 'merkans that speak/write worse english than many foreigners :)
[09:14] <lollercoaster> but none say "HOW TO INSTALL TEH PLUGIN"
[09:14] <lollercoaster> "how to install" is unique to only non-native english speakers
[09:14] <alf> American is American...English is universal!!!
[09:14] <lollercoaster> alf: you eat cats
[09:14] <sJaM> don't think the English liked that quote
[09:14] <alf> lol
[09:14] <mypapit> yeah.. and i speak rebit-english
[09:14] <tmacd> Boom, worked like a charm, thanks!
[09:15] <sJaM> using their language as a lingua franca
[09:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> i try to speek english k thx gg
[09:15] <lollercoaster> everyone i just want to warn you. alf eats cats
[09:15] <supernix> is gcc 4.0 base ok to install ?
[09:16] <alf> sure do...with fries...American for chips!!!!
[09:16] <Bubbling_Zombie> supernix, ofcourse
[09:16] <danirc> nadie conoce un chat de linux en espanol?
[09:16] <lollercoaster> fries are testicles
[09:16] <supernix> I did not know I heard something before about gcc being the core of all programs so I did not want to mess anything up
[09:16] <Bubbling_Zombie> gcc = _the_ compiler
[09:16] <Bubbling_Zombie> all hail the gcc !
[09:16] <supernix> Redhat once released a beta version of gcc which caused many problems for many people
[09:16] <alf> Big Mac devotee
[09:17] <alf> NOT
[09:17] <eruin> danirc, try #ubuntu-es
[09:17] <sJaM> 2.96 thing
[09:18] <The_Vox> daniels: solia haber un #linuxlatino en undernet, pero no se si todavia existe
[09:18] <danirc> thanks ... in what server?
[09:18] <sJaM> this one I guess
[09:18] <danirc> perfect. :-D
[09:18] <eruin> danirc, here
[09:19] <danirc> yes! you are right! sorry ... i'm newbie
[09:19] <Servo888> What kernel version does the latest ubuntu ship with?
[09:20] <lollercoaster> 1.5.4
[09:20] <Servo888> ...
[09:20] <highvoltage> 1.5.4? that's an old kernel.
[09:20] <Servo888> I don't think one ever existed like that
[09:20] <jasoncohen> when i do dpkg -l | grep mozilla-thunderbird nothing comes up but dpkg -l mozilla-thunderbird works fine. what's going on?
[09:21] <jasoncohen> Server-Penguing, 2.6.10 with ubuntu patches
[09:21] <jasoncohen> woops
[09:21] <jasoncohen> Servo888,  2.6.10 with ubuntu patches. see ubuntu.packages.com or search through synaptic/apt-get
[09:21] <Kyral> Servo888, it uses the 2.6.10 kernel
[09:21] <Servo888> Ok thanks
[09:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> according to my wireless applet, i have 102% connection to my local wifi hotspot
[09:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> o_O
[09:21] <lollercoaster> you pwned it
[09:22] <topyli> dude, you're connected for sure
[09:22] <eruin> Bubbling_Zombie, time to spank your applet
[09:22] <topyli> not in public man!
[09:22] <Bubbling_Zombie> lol :p
[09:22] <alf> lol
[09:23] <weiers> hi crimsun ... I did the alsa install thing, but it encountered an error... I pasted the feedback in the pastebin. Could you perhaps have a look at it?
[09:24] <kirin> simple thing (should be simpler),,, searched the forums, running live cd, hda is a win98se fat32, how do I mount it?... I keep getting errors regarding not being root, and when I login as root, it STILL won't let me see my /dev/hda(1)
[09:24] <dataw0lf> c'mon guys, /join irc.freenode.net port 9001
[09:24] <sJaM> you are not supposed to be here
[09:24] <sJaM> just run:
[09:24] <sJaM>  /server irc.freenode.net 9001
[09:24] <HappyFool> kirin: can you paste the output of 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda' on a pastebin?
[09:24] <sJaM>  /join #ubuntu
[09:25] <HappyFool> kirin: e.g., pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:25] <topyli> Servo888: i just had to look. you're right, there never was a 1.5 kernel :)
[09:26] <kirin> had to run "as root":
[09:26] <kirin> Disk /dev/hda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
[09:26] <kirin> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
[09:26] <kirin> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[09:26] <kirin>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[09:26] <kirin> /dev/hda1   *           1       13451   108045126    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[09:27] <Howitzer> ehh
[09:27] <HappyFool> kirin: did you see i said to the pastebin?
[09:27] <HappyFool> kirin: we try *not* to paste into the channel
[09:27] <kirin> been running knoppix until lately when the graphix went to hell, switched over to ubuntu but can't see hd
[09:27] <kirin> sorry, I'm an idiot.
[09:28] <h08817> do u guys know some good guides to read about linux?
[09:28] <h08817> since i am a complete noob
[09:28] <HappyFool> kirin: try 'sudo mkdir /mnt/windows; sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows'
[09:28] <HappyFool> kirin: if it asks for a password, just press enter
[09:28] <weiers> err... crimsun ... I am sorry to be a pain. If you are busy I can try you later. I think I am quite close to a solution, but just need a little bit of advice.
[09:29] <HappyFool> h08817: start at the ubuntu wiki: wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:29] <h08817> thanks
[09:29] <HappyFool> h08817: there is a *lot* of information here, too: en.tldp.org
[09:30] <kirin> thanks, it worked... but I'm going to have to do that every single time, aren't I?
[09:30] <HappyFool> kirin: yip
[09:30] <EfaistOs> did someone install an ubuntu on amd64 ?
[09:31] <dataw0lf> EfaistOs: Yes.
[09:31] <alf> beer in the keyboard....what a waste!
[09:31] <kirin> then that is how it will work. thank you, sorry for being a pest.
[09:32] <HappyFool> kirin: np
[09:33] <mophat> i'm really in a bind here. I thought i had my   --
[09:33] <h08817> HappyFool, en.tldp.org wouldn't work for me is it still running or is it an old site?
[09:33] <mophat> i thought i had my /etc/hdparm.conf setup nicely
[09:33] <mophat> then all of a sudden, 32 bit stopped working on everything
[09:33] <HappyFool> h08817: err, sorry. let me check -- maybe got it wrong
[09:33] <cOoOoK> enas
[09:33] <mophat> can someone link me to a 32 bit hdparm.conf
[09:33] <HappyFool> h08817: http://www.tldp.org/
[09:34] <mophat> i need to get this achine out in minutes
[09:34] <HappyFool> h08817: sorry, i remember it being en.
[09:34] <h08817> HappyFool, i got on thanks
[09:35] <HappyFool> mophat: i can paste by hdparm.conf to the pastebin, if you like. not sure if it'll help you...
[09:35] <A[D] minS> Guys how i can install rpm in ubuntu?
[09:35] <mophat> that would be awesome..  how do i login to that
[09:35] <A[D] minS>  rpm -i /mnt/c/Linux/Dict-ar-en.rpm
[09:35] <A[D] minS> rpm: To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian.
[09:35] <A[D] minS> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2)
[09:35] <A[D] minS> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
[09:35] <HappyFool> mophat: stand by...
[09:35] <highvoltage> A[D] minS: alien.
[09:35] <frodo24> hello
[09:35] <HappyFool> A[D] minS: please don't paste here; use a patebin
[09:35] <A[D] minS> highvoltage, alien.  not found
[09:36] <highvoltage> A[D] minS: apt-get install alien
[09:36] <highvoltage> qt2: freeciv2? it's great eh!
[09:36] <A[D] minS> thx highvoltage
[09:36] <frodo24> after 2nd install finally ubuntu works fine except i get cut after connecting with modem
[09:36] <klaym> wtf lilo
[09:36] <highvoltage> frodo24: ouch!
[09:36] <frodo24> so why i get cut?
[09:37] <frodo24> i'm on windows now
[09:37] <alf> virtual vesectomy
[09:37] <h08817> weird
[09:37] <h08817> i am online in here but my internet just died
[09:37] <mophat> HappyFool, : thx
[09:37] <A[D] minS> highvoltage, okay second qustion what is da command to install file.deb ?
[09:37] <frodo24> can i use my mdk rpms ?
[09:37] <A[D] minS> frodo24,  yes u can
[09:38] <highvoltage> A[D] minS: dpkg -i file.deb
[09:38] <mophat> HappyFool, : anyway i can easily conf out those numbers without using VI
[09:38] <frodo24> even one made for mdk?
[09:38] <The_Vox> highvoltage: I uninstalled freeciv from all my computers...that thing is damn addictive!
[09:38] <A[D] minS> frodo24,  alien file.rpm then it will convert to file.deb
[09:38] <HappyFool> mophat: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/603
[09:38] <A[D] minS> frodo24,  dpkg -i file.deb
[09:38] <frodo24> i c
[09:38] <A[D] minS> ;)
[09:38] <highvoltage> The_Vox: yes it is! In 1997, I spent 6 weeks solid playing civ1!
[09:39] <frodo24> now the most important think why i get cut?
[09:39] <mophat> HappyFool, : I'm at the link, is there anyway i can remove all those numbers from it
[09:39] <A[D] minS> cut?
[09:39] <mophat> automatically
[09:39] <mophat> it's cutting the 001 002
[09:39] <frodo24> in mdk i can't go online with kpppdieale
[09:39] <frodo24> dialer
[09:39] <mophat> 109 l;ines manually
[09:39] <mophat> frig
[09:39] <HappyFool> mophat: just select more carefully
[09:39] <HappyFool> mophat: the lines are in a separate table column
[09:39] <mophat> omg nm
[09:39] <mophat> there's two sections
[09:39] <HappyFool> mophat: or press the 'download' button at the top
[09:39] <mophat> thanku
[09:40] <topyli> frodo24: but alien produces weird debs sometimes. depends on how perverted the rpm is to begin with
[09:40] <frodo24> i c
[09:40] <frodo24> anyone what can i do about the net connection?
[09:40] <mophat> much appreciated.. brb
[09:40] <The_Vox> highvoltage: I spent too many days playing civ3 back when I was working in a cyber :)
[09:41] <A[D] minS> now i want to know something where i can find files which apt-get downloading ?
[09:42] <topyli> i lost lots of time on civ1 too. then there was colonization and whatnot
[09:42] <frodo24> how can i get the status and log during and after dialing?
[09:42] <HappyFool> frodo24: tail -f /var/log/messages   (maybe)
[09:43] <HappyFool> A[D] minS: /var/cache/apt/archives; but you should never really need to poke around in there
[09:43] <mophat> sigh.. it  just stopped working
[09:43] <frodo24> ok
[09:43] <mophat> what could i possibly have changed to have the /etc/hdparm.conf file not work properly
[09:43] <frodo24> c u
[09:43] <mophat> /dev/hdc not found
[09:43] <mophat> but it's there
[09:43] <A[D] minS> HappyFool, i want to save them
[09:43] <sJaM> is it really
[09:44] <A[D] minS> that what i want :)
[09:44] <sJaM> check your
[09:44] <sJaM> sudo fdisk -l
[09:44] <cut0ff> mophat acn you post that file?
[09:44] <mophat> cut0ff, : it's HappyFool 's last post
[09:45] <thesamet> how can I found which package I installed myself and which came with the base system?
[09:45] <HappyFool> mophat: that /dev/hdc entry may not be appropriate for your system -- it's a custom entry for my DVD-drive
[09:45] <mophat> nah, mines /dev/hda HD , /dev/hdd /dev/hdc for my cd drives
[09:45] <thesamet> How can I check if I have package that are only to serve a dependency for a program that I already removed?
[09:45] <mophat> sigh.. it was working fine
[09:45] <mophat> i rebooted
[09:46] <mophat> and it stopped seeing 32bit
[09:46] <cut0ff> mophat sorry I've just enter in the channel
[09:46] <mophat> no worries
[09:46] <kalve> How can I get correct norwegian characters in ssh in ubuntu? (i use hoary hedgehog and aterm)
[09:46] <mophat> i just completely finished setting up this computer, vmware, win the works
[09:46] <HappyFool> thesamet: not sure. I think you might be able to use something called 'deborphan'
[09:46] <mophat> and now it's not forcing 32 bit at all
[09:46] <kalve> 1~
[09:46] <kalve> sorry
[09:48] <OdiiN> i've problem with X
[09:48] <OdiiN> it takes a long time to start, about 5 minutes
[09:48] <OdiiN> since i restart
[09:48] <OdiiN> gkshell for example aswell
[09:49] <OdiiN> anyone has a tip for this?
[09:49] <HappyFool> OdiiN: odd. have you looked in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for information?
[09:49] <alf> odiin....system specs!!!!
[09:49] <OdiiN> no,  i will see
[09:49] <OdiiN> is since I restart
[09:49] <mophat> any idea why my startup wouldn't be loading /etc/hdparm.conf ?
[09:50] <OdiiN> ive a64 3200, 512MB, kt800 motherboard
[09:50] <mophat> and do all the applicable settings have to be uncommented
[09:50] <alf> should not take that long!!!
[09:50] <cut0ff> OdiiN why don't use another desktop?
[09:50] <HappyFool> mophat: comment out the /dev/hdc parts of the file i pasted
[09:50] <cut0ff> OdiiN like Xfce
[09:51] <HappyFool> cut0ff: other than X ? ;)
[09:51] <HappyFool> mophat: you've uncommented everything? why?
[09:51] <alf> obvious...got the 64 bit version of ubuntu!!!???
[09:51] <OdiiN> i like gnome, why i need to change?
[09:51] <firefly2442> are there any bugs in the ubuntu software RAID partitioner because I can't seem to get it to work
[09:51] <cut0ff> HappyFool  wooo sorry
[09:52] <sarmiento> how i can edit the menu of gpanel?
[09:52] <mophat> HappyFool, : not everything , just between /dev and the end }
[09:52] <rabies> hi
[09:52] <rabies> im trying to change my resolution so that my modeline as it is (1920x540) is slightly smaller
[09:52] <OdiiN> this is the X.org log http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/605
[09:52] <mophat> and for the drives i have.. whats the deal with /dev/cdrom/cdrom0 .. are those automounts?
[09:52] <rabies> my current resolution is a bit too big
[09:52] <HappyFool> mophat: yes. don't try to apply hdparm to those
[09:52] <rabies> and this is a HDTV so i cant change it manually
[09:53] <anto9us> firefly2442: it works ok for me
[09:53] <rabies> i need 1900x520 or something, but i dont know how to modify the modeline
[09:54] <rabies> any help would be much appreciated
[09:54] <firefly2442> are there any basic HowTo's because when I try to partition the software RAID it fails and gives me a red screen
[09:54] <HappyFool> OdiiN: hmm, nothing obvious there
[09:54] <rabies> any at all..
[09:54] <OdiiN> :(
[09:54] <rabies> ironically its uniformly spilling over
[09:54] <HappyFool> rabies: you can look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, maybe
[09:54] <rabies> what am i looking for?
[09:54] <rabies> im using a modeline from DDC currently
[09:55] <Bloodmyst> Hi all, I recently had to install a new kernel image to get DRI on my video card, and now a lot of my video players crash when I play video on them.  Any ideas?
[09:55] <boga> when I load a .php file, the browser displays text! How do I make it display the page?
[09:55] <HappyFool> OdiiN: look also in /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages -- maybe it's another service that's failing to start, e.g., if your network interface can't be brought up
[09:55] <firefly2442> boga: install php
[09:55] <firefly2442> boga: apt-get install php4
[09:55] <boga> it's installed
[09:55] <Bloodmyst> boga: make sure it's running
[09:56] <firefly2442> boga: do you have <?php  and   ?>
[09:56] <qt2-2> highvoltage, eh? freeciv2?
[09:56] <qt2-2> highvoltage, theres a sequel?
[09:56] <boga> firefly2442: I'll check
[09:56] <OdiiN> HappyFool: i change currently /etc/modules to load VIA ide drivers, could be this?
[09:56] <bojan> i get an error by creating a new project in anjuta. i think its because glademm is not installed. but where can i get it from?
[09:57] <HappyFool> OdiiN: um, could be, i don't know. Try taking it out and reboot?
[09:57] <OdiiN> ok
[09:57] <HappyFool> OdiiN: whatever you changed from when it was working is what you should test first
[09:57] <tritium> bojan, "apt-cache search glademm" to see which packages are available.  For development, you also need the -dev ones.
[09:57] <firefly2442> does each hard drive have to be logical or primary for the RAID?
[09:57] <rabies> modelines..
[09:57] <boga> firefly2442: Yes I do
[09:58] <highvoltage> qt2-2: yes, there is! http://www.freeciv.org
[09:58] <bojan> tritium: thx
[09:58] <firefly2442> what browser are you using?
[09:58] <highvoltage> if you want a deb, you can install from sarge.
[09:58] <tritium> bojan, sure thing :)
[09:58] <boga> konqueror
[09:58] <Bloodmyst> boga: Are you loading the php by going to "File -> Open"? or are you typing in the local url?
[09:58] <firefly2442> try firefox and see if it works
[09:58] <boga> Bloodmyst: I try via the url
[09:59] <boga> firefly2442: same with firefox
[09:59] <mophat> hdc: lost interrupt
[09:59] <Raskall> I've bought a new mobile phone today. An EGDE-capable phone. got 200 kbit/sec transfer rate from a train going 130 km/h
[09:59] <Bloodmyst> boga: are you sure your local web server is running?
[09:59] <boga> Bloodmyst: Incidentally, php4 is only 24.6Kb!
[09:59] <highvoltage> Raskall: how fast would it download if the train would move at 250km/h?
[09:59] <mophat> ide: failed opcode was 100
[10:00] <Bloodmyst> boga: that DOES sound a bit small
[10:00] <boga> Bloodmyst: yes. default  Html files load properly
[10:00] <Raskall> highvoltage: :) double the speed, of course. ;)
[10:00] <boga> Bloodmyst: I thought so
[10:00] <highvoltage> wow.
[10:00] <hondje> mophat: how many of those did you get?
[10:00] <Morti> Is there a specific Ubuntu PPC channel or just this one?
[10:00] <Bloodmyst> boga: I've never install php on Linux before, but I know it was quite a few mb to install on my Mac
[10:00] <bojan> tritium: hmm, all of them are already installed
[10:01] <mophat> hondje,  a few
[10:01] <Bloodmyst> Morti: I think this is it
[10:01] <firefly2442> boga: can you paste the code maybe?
[10:01] <Raskall> highvoltage: the point is that I think it's quite impressive of the gsm network to keep track of my phone and keep a stable link at those kind of speeds.
[10:01] <firefly2442> boga: it could be you are "echoing" out text
[10:01] <Morti> Okay.
[10:01] <Morti> Just wondered.
[10:01] <boga> firefly2442: Ok
[10:01] <hondje> mophat: I get those too, 'usually' they arent' too bad, sometimes they indicate a dying drive
[10:01] <Bloodmyst> Morti: Did you have a PPC specific problem?
[10:01] <highvoltage> Raskall: yes, i admit, that is quite impressive.
[10:01] <Morti> Nope.
[10:01] <tritium> bojan, really?  What kind of problems are you encountering?
[10:01] <Bloodmyst> Aye.
[10:01] <Morti> I'm just using Ubuntu PPC atm.
[10:01] <Bloodmyst> On a Mac?
[10:01] <Morti> Thought I'd pop in here pre-emptively. ;)
[10:01] <Morti> Yeah. iBook G4.
[10:02] <hondje> mophat: easiest way to find out is to install the smartmontools package, use smartctl to see how the drive is doing :)
[10:02] <mophat> hondje: something's just mad wrong tho.. because all three drives just stopped working
[10:02] <Bloodmyst> Heh, I'm typing on mine with OS X Morti.
[10:02] <Morti> Heh.
[10:02] <hondje> mophat: ooooh, fascinating.  Using the 686 kernel?
[10:02] <golfen> hi
[10:02] <Bloodmyst> Morti: How old is yours?
[10:02] <Morti> It's a nice machine, except for the whole "one mouse button" thing.
[10:02] <Morti> Dunno, borrowing it from work.
[10:02] <konki> anyone knows why VLC can't play my .wmv files, only audio output but there is no video output... any suggestion
[10:02] <Morti> Not very old.
[10:02] <Bloodmyst> Morti: Yeah, there are external mice though...
[10:02] <golfen> does anyone installed an silicon image 3112A with ubuntu?
[10:02] <rainingzigzags> how do i install java for firefox? says i have to do a manual install but then it wont let me
[10:02] <Bloodmyst> Morti: Are you a new Mac user?
[10:02] <HappyFool> !java
[10:02] <ubotu> it has been said that java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[10:03] <Morti> Bloodmyst: True, but that always feels like a bit of a copout with laptops.
[10:03] <golfen> my new system found the controller and the disk, but there is no /dev/sda
[10:03] <Bloodmyst> Morti: True.
[10:03] <Morti> Plus I'll be on a coach tomorrow, can't use a mouse there really.
[10:03] <lollercoaster> how often does google purge pages that dont exist from its listings?
[10:03] <qt2-2> highvoltage, too bad it's not in synaptic yet... :P
[10:03] <Morti> Yeah, don't use a Mac normally.
[10:03] <boga> firefly2442: seen my paste at #flood?
[10:03] <disposable_mike> konki: try w32codecs
[10:03] <firefly2442> does the linux software RAID take care of slight variations in hard drive sizes?
[10:03] <golfen> everything i tried fails, any ideas?
[10:03] <Bloodmyst> Morti: Yeah, if you have time, check out OS X also.  It'd be a good idea to dual-boot.  OS X is my favorite *Nix so far.
[10:03] <Morti> It looks pretty, mI'll give it that.
[10:03] <Morti> This laptop used to have OS X on it.
[10:04] <mophat> hondje: 2.6.10-5-386 ???  erp
[10:04] <Morti> Then we installed Ubuntu.
[10:04] <Morti> For kicks, mostly.
[10:04] <bojan> tritium: if i make a new project. i get the following warnings: "It is because either glade (for gtk/gnome projects) or glademm (for gtkmm/gnomemm projects) is not installed
[10:04] <konki> disposable_mike, is there an apt-get for that codec??
[10:04] <Bloodmyst> Morti: Heh, Yeah, I was thinking of dual-booting but I don't have the HD space
[10:04] <disposable_mike> konki: should just be w32codecs
[10:04] <A[D] minS> how i can start service and stop it in Ubuntu?
[10:04] <mophat> hondje, : do you think i just need a K update?
[10:04] <mophat> kernel
[10:04] <Bloodmyst> A[D] minS: Start and Stop what service?
[10:04] <firefly2442> boga: how to I see it?
[10:04] <Morti> Bloodmyst: This seems to have a 40GB hard drive and hardly any of it used up.
[10:04] <hondje> mophat: maybe, but I ran into a very similar problem
[10:04] <tritium> bojan, I haven't used anjuta.  Did you verify that you have gtk and gnome -dev packages also?
[10:04] <A[D] minS> dictd server
[10:05] <A[D] minS> Bloodmyst,  for kdict dictionry
[10:05] <Bloodmyst> Morti: Yeah mine's only 30GB.  I was thinking of installing a 60 or 80GB sometime
[10:05] <mophat> i wonder if one drives out, if it could throw them all off
[10:05] <bojan> tritium: i'm going to do that
[10:05] <hondje> mophat: it was acting like my hdds died, both of them, but everything else told me they were fine
[10:05] <Bloodmyst> A[D] minS: Ahh, I have no clue on that one.
[10:05] <mophat> i just spent 12 hours installing/tweaking this computer.. it was running fine.. i've just done something i can't traace.. fack
[10:05] <hondje> mophat: I dunno, I haven't tried testing that :)
[10:05] <A[D] minS> Bloodmyst,  how i can start httpd  ?
[10:05] <Bloodmyst> Morti: I'm guessing you don't have wireless running eh?
[10:05] <Morti> Nope.
[10:06] <Will_> My ubuntu box has 3x120GB drives and a 80GB. It overheats now high summer is here
[10:06] <Morti> Does this thing have wireless support?
[10:06] <hondje> I'm half convinced it's a kernel bug, hda is brandnew
[10:06] <mophat> hondje, : so are yuou saying your drives all died
[10:06] <firefly2442> boga: can you post it again?
[10:06] <Bloodmyst> Morti: I don't think Ubuntu supports it.
[10:06] <mophat> hondje,  or just one
[10:06] <Morti> Linux does so presumably Ubuntu does.
[10:06] <Morti> Whether or not it'd take some hacking about is another matter.
[10:06] <Bloodmyst> Morti: Want to see something cool though? Lift up the two tabs on the top of the keyboard, and that's the spot for the internal card and RAM
[10:06] <mophat> hondje,  or you had a problem, where it seemed like they were dying
[10:06] <hondje> mophat: they didn't die, per se, they just started throwing back crazy errors, and both needed a serious fscking
[10:06] <Deep6> guys how do  I do  this in firefox?
[10:06] <mophat> cause that's basically what's happenin here
[10:06] <Deep6> Setting general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4 in about:config seems to let me
[10:06] <Deep6> access addons.mozilla.org
[10:06] <redtech> wifi is all i use in mine.
[10:07] <Deep6> where is about:config?
[10:07] <hondje> mophat: and on boot sometimes it'll say hda or hdb isn't ready
[10:07] <Morti> In all fairness, that is fairly cool.
[10:07] <Deep6> there is no config in the about dialogue
[10:07] <mophat> hondje, : i can't even enable 32/dma on my cd drives, let alone the hd
[10:07] <Bloodmyst> Morti: I think Ubuntu only works with Airport cards, not Airport Extreme cards.
[10:07] <mophat> hondje, : that sounds like it could be a power issue
[10:07] <mophat> hondje, : crappy power cable/ not enough juice from the supply
[10:07] <konki> disposable_mike, i tried finding it on my synaptic pkg mngr. but there is no w32codec there...
[10:07] <bojan> tritium: there are a lot gtk packages
[10:07] <Bloodmyst> Morti: You could get a USB device, but it's just not as good.  The iBook has a built in antenna in the display, and the range is much better than any other solution.
[10:07] <hondje> mophat: I never thought power, I tend to assume OEMs know how much power to put in
[10:08] <Morti> Hmm.
[10:08] <Morti> I don't think I put the keyboard back in properly.
[10:08] <Bloodmyst> Morti: It's a bit tricky to get back in, but just ease it in
[10:09] <mophat> apt-get install which kernel pack
[10:09] <mophat> damn
[10:09] <mophat> i686
[10:09] <Morti> It's kind of half in and I can't get it out again.
[10:09] <golfen> hi, i need some support to install my maxtor harddisk (sata, silicon image 3112A) with ubuntu
[10:09] <_DuDe_> What does it mean when INSTALL.txt says [Type "make install DEST=<directory>"] , where do I type it?
[10:09] <firefly2442> morti: put the lower half in first and hold the tabs in
[10:10] <Morti> There it goes.
[10:10] <Morti> Neat.
[10:10] <firefly2442> boga: you still there?
[10:10] <boga> yeap
[10:10] <Bloodmyst> Morti: Yup.  It's nifty.
[10:11] <firefly2442> boga: did you get it to work?
[10:11] <boga> not yet
[10:11] <boga> did you see my paste in #flood?
[10:11] <HappyFool> aargh. died in nethack *again*
[10:12] <firefly2442> boga: nope, can you paste it again
[10:12] <boga> ok
[10:12] <Morti> Open source project going for the AP Extreme.
[10:12] <Morti> Be nice when that works I guess.
[10:12] <mophat> FUCK
[10:12] <mophat> everything was working fine
[10:12] <OdiiN> HappyFool:  is a script that i put un /etc/init.d/ to configure iptables
[10:12] <Bloodmyst> Morti: Yeah.  Until then OS X is the only way to go for Wifi.
[10:12] <OdiiN> is correct http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/606 ?
[10:12] <mophat> i made a clone of my windows drve, rebooted
[10:12] <mophat> now NOTHING
[10:13] <mophat> 32 bit gone
[10:13] <spiral> hi
[10:13] <mophat> no reason, hdparm not touched
[10:13] <HappyFool> OdiiN: I'm not really clued up on iptables, but I'll take a look
[10:13] <OdiiN> thanks
[10:13] <Morti> Anyone tried mplayer on a PPC, btw?
[10:13] <HappyFool> OdiiN: sorry, i don't know if that's right or not
[10:13] <boga> firefly2442: got it?
[10:14] <_DuDe_> What does it mean when INSTALL.txt says [Type "make install DEST=<directory>"] , where do I type it?
[10:14] <OdiiN> is in the good folder to execute at start ?
[10:14] <firefly2442> boga: yes, lemme check here....
[10:14] <HappyFool> OdiiN: yip
[10:14] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: in the terminal; Applications -> System tools -> terminal
[10:15] <firefly2442> boga: try taking out the phpinfo() section, that is giving you a lot of text which might be what you are seing
[10:15] <firefly2442> boga: once you take that out does it display the date?
[10:16] <boga> firefly2442: not at all! All it displays is that entire text
[10:16] <firefly2442> is it a .php file?
[10:16] <firefly2442> not .html
[10:16] <boga> yes.
[10:17] <firefly2442> boga: take out the meta stuff
[10:17] <boga> ok
[10:17] <firefly2442> boga: that might confuse the browser
[10:17] <firefly2442> boga: just to see if it works
[10:17] <_DuDe_> Starting Configuration...
[10:17] <_DuDe_> checking for gcc... no
[10:17] <_DuDe_> checking for cc... no
[10:17] <_DuDe_> configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
[10:17] <_DuDe_> what should I do????
[10:17] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: what are you trying to install?
[10:17] <_DuDe_> EggDrop
[10:18] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: you need to install build tools; start with 'build-essential'
[10:18] <mophat> how can i manually enable 32 bit IO mode for /dev/hda with hdparm
[10:18] <_DuDe_> Where would I do that???
[10:18] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: eggdrop is available via synaptic, you don't need to compile it
[10:18] <mophat> hdparm - ???  /dev/hda
[10:18] <stan-am> has anyone seen min?
[10:18] <HappyFool> !repositories
[10:18] <ubotu> well, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:18] <_DuDe_> HappyFool, Where can I get that?
[10:18] <HappyFool> !synaptic
[10:18] <ubotu> methinks synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[10:18] <HappyFool> !apt
[10:18] <ubotu> from memory, apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[10:19] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: start by reading those three urls
[10:19] <sagitta> looks like you've changed servers, stan-am
[10:19] <Davey> Amaranth: dude!
[10:19] <kbrooks> !java
[10:19] <ubotu> I heard java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[10:19] <kbrooks> :)
[10:19] <disposable_mike> konki: i think you need to add merillat to your sources first
[10:19] <raven3x7> hello
[10:19] <frank> I installed the nvidia drivers, doom3 runs ok, glxinfo tells me direct rendering works, but glxgears only gives me 260 fps. What's up with that?
[10:19] <flodine> anyone deen Rick james
[10:19] <disposable_mike> konki: and then the package name should be w32codecs
[10:19] <mophat> pleeease hlllp
[10:19] <flodine> anyone seen Rick james
[10:19] <Morti> Bloodmyst: How are you supposed to type a # on an iBook keyboard anyway?
[10:19] <Morti> Fortunately the keymap on this one isn't quite right so I can.
[10:20] <firefly2442> boga: any luck?
[10:20] <ompaul> what makes the basic system other than ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop or if Sir Bob Geldof will forgive me, is that it?
[10:21] <ompaul> s/Sir/Saint
[10:21] <HappyFool> heh
[10:21] <HappyFool> patron saint of? ;)
[10:21] <ompaul> HappyFool, people who have no voice
[10:21] <konki> thanks alot disposable_mike, i am at the site getting the repository...caio..
[10:22] <topyli> ompaul: like Sir Bob :)
[10:22] <_DuDe_> darn, i get a message that [Child terminated with 1 Status] 
[10:22] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: when running synaptic?
[10:22] <_DuDe_> when I try and do anything that requires a pass
[10:22] <ompaul> topyli, I grew up listening to the boomtown rats - they were of a time and we needed them :)
[10:22] <topyli> sure
[10:23] <firefly2442> Would someone be willing to walk me through partitioning this software RAID in the Ubuntu installer?
[10:23] <konki> disposable_mike, which version of marillat is better... stable or unstable... whats the diff???
[10:25] <HappyFool> konki, disposable_mike: isn't marillat more-or-less not recommended anymore?
[10:25] <_DuDe_> HappyFool, when I try and do anything that requires a pass
[10:25] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: enter your user password
[10:25] <_DuDe_> yes
[10:25] <konki> HappyFool, what do you recommend then?
[10:26] <ompaul> firefly2442,  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3136.html may hold the answer you need
[10:26] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: if that doesn't work, go to a terminal, type 'sudo ls' and enter your user password; if that gives an error, please tell me what it is
[10:26] <_DuDe_> ok, going
[10:26] <HappyFool> konki: i believe backports is the favoured 'extra' repository
[10:26] <okhra> Hi. How do I use Synaptic to install sql-ledger ?
[10:26] <HappyFool> !backports
[10:26] <ubotu> rumour has it, backports is at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[10:26] <Bloodmyst> okhra: Have you updated your repository list?
[10:26] <HappyFool> konki: try reading that url
[10:26] <tritium> HappyFool, backports in general is not "favored", but you're right
[10:27] <okhra> yes
[10:27] <Bloodmyst> okhra: have you updated your cache?
[10:27] <_DuDe_> HappyFool, [smith is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.]  Thats the message
[10:27] <okhra> yes
[10:27] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: ok, how did you install ubuntu?
[10:28] <_DuDe_> With a disk, normally I think,should I install it again???
[10:28] <konki> HappyFool, which URL is that??
[10:28] <raven3x7> tritium "favoured" ?
[10:28] <disposable_mike> happyfool, konki: technically i don't think it ever was recommended
[10:28] <Bloodmyst> okhra: Okay.  Just do a search for sql-ledger in Synaptic.  Or if you'd like to install it from the console, just type "sudo apt-get install sql-ledger"
[10:28] <tritium> raven3x7, they're not official repos
[10:28] <HappyFool> konki: backports.ubuntuforums.org
[10:28] <ompaul> _DuDe_, how many users are there on that box
[10:28] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: no
[10:28] <_DuDe_> 1, just me
[10:28] <disposable_mike> happyfool, konki: plus, that codec pack isn't technically recommended, either
[10:28] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: it was a 'normal' install?
[10:29] <_DuDe_> Everything was default
[10:29] <okhra> thanks, Bloodmyst - will do that.
[10:29] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: and is 'dave' the user you created during the install process?
[10:29] <Bloodmyst> okhra: let me know if it doesn't work, and we can figure out where to go from there
[10:29] <frank> I installed the nvidia drivers, doom3 runs ok, glxinfo tells me direct rendering works, but glxgears only gives me 260 fps. Anybody know what could be the problem?
[10:29] <Ober> is there a place to download all the packages for detached operations?
[10:29] <_DuDe_> no, i created smith, where do you see 'dave'
[10:29] <ompaul> okhra this is the line you are looking for :)  ->  deb 'U'r Url here' hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[10:30] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: um. i'm hallucinating, sorry
[10:30] <konki> disposable_mike, you mean it can crash my PC or something like that??
[10:30] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: ok, smith was that user?
[10:30] <_DuDe_> HappyFool, lol
[10:30] <Strife> bah
[10:30] <_DuDe_> yes
[10:30] <disposable_mike> konki: no, i think it's more the legal issue than anything
[10:30] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: what does 'grep ^admin /etc/group' say?
[10:30] <Strife> disposable_mike: you're making xchat tell me that someone said "mike." stop helping people!
[10:30] <_DuDe_> ummm
[10:30] <Bloodmyst> ompaul: He said he updated his repositories.  I'm guessing he added that in.
[10:31] <Bloodmyst> ompaul: if not he'll be back. ;)
[10:31] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: type that command at the terminal
[10:31] <ompaul> Bloodmyst, if by hand then that might be useful if not you are right :)
[10:31] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: it should print out a single line
[10:31] <disposable_mike> Strife: what triggers do you have then? Michael? Mike? Strife?
[10:31] <Bloodmyst> ompaul: Indeed sir.
[10:32] <Artimus> How much space does the default Ubuntu install take up?  No offense, the wiki is not very easy to find information in.
[10:32] <_DuDe_> smith@ubuntu:~$ 'grep ^admin /etc/group'
[10:32] <_DuDe_> bash: grep ^admin /etc/group: No such file or directory
[10:32] <Strife> disposable_mike: Mike, obviously
[10:32] <konki> disposable_mike, i see, heard about the vlc lawsuit or something like that, but this is linux everything is almost all the time free...
[10:32] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: sorry, without quotes
[10:32] <Strife> well and also Strife
[10:32] <Strife> see, there it goes again!
[10:32] <_DuDe_> ok
[10:32] <frank> Artimus: I don't know, maybe a gig?
[10:33] <Artimus> frank: alright, cool.  I've got 2.2
[10:33] <_DuDe_> smith@ubuntu:~$ grep ^admin /etc/group
[10:33] <_DuDe_> smith@ubuntu:~$
[10:33] <_DuDe_> nothing
[10:33] <disposable_mike> konki: it's not so much the freedom factor, as the fact that the codecs had to be reverse-engineered to work with videos written for windows codecs
[10:33] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: hmm
[10:33] <mophat> Okay.. So it's my hdparm.conf that's loading too soon in my startup
[10:33] <raven3x7> Artimus i think 2 3 hundred megs above 1GB
[10:33] <disposable_mike> konki: hence the moniker 'w32'
[10:33] <frank> Artimus: That's just a guess and you also need space for swap
[10:33] <Bloodmyst> Artimus: I have 2.0GB uses on my machine, I've installed a few packages since then, but it's almost new.
[10:33] <Bloodmyst> used*
[10:34] <Artimus> frank: Oh, I mean I have 2.2G after formatting in reiserFS
[10:34] <mophat>  Any of the blocks that use command line syntax must begin with
[10:34] <mophat> #the keyword \'command_line\',   ...
[10:34] <Artimus> (swap is also taken into account)
[10:34] <Artimus> Is gnome included in that 2GB?
[10:34] <mophat> does that mean  command_line hdparm -c1 /dev/hdc
[10:34] <Artimus> I'll be removing gnome rather quickly, as my box won't run it decently
[10:34] <mophat> or 'command_line'
[10:34] <Bloodmyst> Artimus: It should be.
[10:34] <konki> HappyFool, backports.ubuntuforums.org URL does not work
[10:34] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: i don't know why you do not have an admin group
[10:34] <_DuDe_> weird
[10:35] <HappyFool> konki: hmm
[10:35] <mophat> how can i have a simple script with 3 commands run at the startup
[10:35] <mophat> hell i can make it 1 command
[10:35] <frank> konki: you need a backports repository?
[10:35] <_DuDe_> Should I try logging in ubuntu as root?
[10:35] <robotgeek> anyone know when firefox 1.0.5 gets into ubuntu...me waiting for a few javascript fixes
[10:35] <Bloodmyst> frank: he does.
[10:35] <mophat> hdparm -c1 /dev/hda;hdparm -c1/dev/hdc;hdparm -c1 /dev/hdd
[10:35] <topyli> do keyboards recover from beer flood after they dry up?
[10:35] <tritium> robotgeek, the security fixes were backported into hoary already
[10:35] <frank> konki: deb ftp://ftp2.caliu.info/backports/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[10:36] <mophat> i want to put hdparm -c1 /dev/hda;hdparm -c1/dev/hdc;hdparm -c1 /dev/hdd   at the very END of my startup script.. how do i do that
[10:36] <HappyFool> mophat: look in /etc/init.d/boostmisc.sh
[10:36] <konki> thanks frank...
[10:36] <raven3x7> topyli turn it upside down so all the fluid will get out. then maybe it will
[10:36] <frank> robotgeek: Are you sure, I haven't seen that update yet
[10:36] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: you can fix it, but you'll need to boot in recovery mode
[10:36] <_DuDe_> ok
[10:36] <robotgeek> tritium: guess i need to set the vendor sub gix
[10:36] <raven3x7> frank it was released 12 july
[10:36] <topyli> raven3x7: yeah, it's drying upside down on the floor right there
[10:37] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: stand by just a moment
[10:37] <_DuDe_> HappyFool, ok
[10:37] <robotgeek> tritium: fix, firefox updated to 1.0.5, used it on windows
[10:37] <tritium> robotgeek, yeah, that should work
[10:37] <mophat> HappyFool,  if i add that line before the  ": exiit 0"
[10:37] <tritium> robotgeek, right, fixes are in the 1.0.3 version in hoary (backported)
[10:37] <HappyFool> mophat: yip
[10:37] <raven3x7> topyli if you're lucky it will work. mine survived quite a few baths before it got wasted
[10:38] <Bloodmyst> So anyone know about why my video players crash when I play a file (except mplayer) and none of them play dvd's after I installed a new kernel image to get direct rendering on my video card?
[10:38] <robotgeek> tritium: i don't quite understand
[10:38] <Bloodmyst> Anything else I need to do?
[10:38] <topyli> i love that keyboard
[10:38] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: i'm not sure if this will work
[10:38] <tritium> robotgeek, the version in hoary has the fixes you're worried about
[10:39] <sagitta> !esd
[10:39] <ubotu> I guess esd is Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously.
[10:39] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: did you enter a password for 'root' during install?
[10:39] <_DuDe_> I think so
[10:39] <_DuDe_> It said to
[10:39] <robotgeek> tritium: i am not really worried :) ..i just wanted to use greasemonkey properly!
[10:39] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: ah
[10:39] <frank> tritium: I don't think the 1.0.5 fixes are in hoary yet
[10:39] <raven3x7> topyli you could always remove the buttons and use some cloth to dry it
[10:39] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: do you remember what it is?
[10:39] <firefly2442> Ubuntu does not currently support using software RAID for the root filesystem or /boot partition. A system installed in this way will not boot.
[10:39] <firefly2442> Is this true?
[10:39] <tritium> frank, they are
[10:39] <_DuDe_> Yea, same as smith
[10:39] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: ok
[10:39] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: phew. no need to reboot then
[10:39] <_DuDe_> ok
[10:40] <konki> frank, thanks just what i wanted... the backport worked... you the man!
[10:40] <topyli> raven3x7: nah. if it doesn't work, i'll open it up and try to clean it
[10:40] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: type 'su -', and enter root's password when prompted
[10:40] <_DuDe_> ok
[10:40] <frank> konki: ;-)
[10:40] <topyli> raven3x7: after all, it's the sugar i guess that might do most damage
[10:40] <_DuDe_> ok, i'm in
[10:40] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: you should get a prompte ending with '#'
[10:40] <_DuDe_> I di
[10:40] <_DuDe_> do*
[10:40] <raven3x7> tritium i dont think i updated firefox the last few days...
[10:40] <robotgeek> tritium,frank : thanks
[10:40] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: good. now, type 'grep %admin /etc/sudoers' and tell me what is says
[10:41] <raven3x7> topyli the sugar could make it sticky
[10:41] <tritium> raven3x7, no, there were no recent updates
[10:41] <_DuDe_> nothing again
[10:41] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: bother
[10:41] <raven3x7> tritium so how are the 1.05 fixes in hoary? 1.05 was released july 12
[10:42] <ubuntu> hey guys, does anyone know the default password of the Live_CD?
[10:42] <frank> ubuntu: I think its ubuntu
[10:42] <tritium> raven3x7, you're correct.  Sorry, the 1.0.4 fixes went into hoary's version.
[10:42] <topyli> raven3x7: yes. we'll see tomorrow. if i can't get it working, i'll snatch one from work where there's about 32475 useless keyboards and mice :)
[10:42] <Atlas95> hello :), I want to do how to upgrade my firefox in my hoary
[10:42] <Atlas95> if someone can help me please :)
[10:42] <robotgeek> Atlas95: I was abt to ask that  next!
[10:42] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: ok, type 'visudo /etc/sudoers' -- you should go into an 'editor' (don't type anything yet, though)
[10:42] <topyli> raven3x7: unused, not useless :)
[10:42] <raven3x7> topyli lol
[10:42] <frank> ubuntu: Either that or none at all
[10:43] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: sorry, that's wrong
[10:43] <ubuntu> I've tried ubuntu and it didn't worked for returning from the screensaver mode...
[10:43] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: ah. type this:   'EDITOR=gedit visudo'
[10:43] <raven3x7> Atlas95 robotgeek there are instruction on the firefox website
[10:43] <Artimus> I'm doing a floppy install of Ubuntu (Using the sarge disks).  I'm to the point of debootstrapping from a mirror.  It's said "Checking component main on http..." for about five minutes.  How long does this step take?
[10:44] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: that should start up gedit
[10:44] <_DuDe_> root@ubuntu:~ # EDITOR=gedit visudo
[10:44] <_DuDe_> (gedit:22569): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[10:44] <_DuDe_> visudo: sudoers file unchanged
[10:44] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: hrm
[10:44] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: ok, type 'EDITOR=nano visudo'
[10:44] <frank> Atlas95: If you wait a few days, the security patches will make their way into hoary-security
[10:44] <ubuntu> why doesn't the OpenOffice of the Live-CD show Hebrew?
[10:44] <tritium> Atlas95, robotgeek if you use the installer from firefox, it won't be under package management.  Just keep that in mind.
[10:44] <_DuDe_> ok
[10:44] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: that worked?
[10:44] <_DuDe_> its alot of lines
[10:45] <_DuDe_> yea
[10:45] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: use the arrow keys to move the cursor to the bottom of the file
[10:45] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: and add this line:    %admin  ALL=(ALL) ALL
[10:45] <robotgeek> tritium: i know,i tried to compile from cvs..gave up :)
[10:45] <raven3x7> Atlas95 robotgeek i dont think 1.05 is as serious an update as some othr recent ones were
[10:45] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: exactly like that. the % must be at the start of the line
[10:45] <tritium> frank, my apologies to you too. You were correct :)
[10:46] <rainingzigzags> whats the best script for xchat if ur a ircop on a server?
[10:46] <frank> tritium: civility triumphs again ;)
[10:46] <robotgeek> raven3x7: i had some problems with the greasemonkey extension
[10:46] <tritium> frank, :)
[10:46] <rainingzigzags> i tryed google but cant find any
[10:46] <Pro_Newbie> Can someone help me?
[10:46] <_DuDe_> HappyFool, Then what do I do?
[10:46] <_DuDe_> It is ther
[10:46] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: then type Ctrl-X, press 'Y' (for yes) and then press enter (to accept the filename)
[10:46] <_DuDe_> there*
[10:46] <Belutz> HappyFool, hai!! I already installed ubuntu on my laptop :D
[10:47] <robotgeek> raven3x7: i heard abt some javascript fixes in 1.0.5..so desparate to upgrade!
[10:47] <HappyFool> Belutz: good stuff :)
[10:47] <_DuDe_> ok
[10:47] <raven3x7> robotgeek the  firefox team doesnt ecourage compiling firefox for usage only for development. of course you can try if you like
[10:47] <_DuDe_> It did every thing you said
[10:47] <La_PaRCa> Hello.
[10:47] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: not much more now
[10:47] <_DuDe_> ok
[10:47] <khermans> Anyone know how to use xvidcap?
[10:47] <Belutz> HappyFool, how do I update the firefox into firefox 1.0.5 with apt-get ?
[10:47] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: now type 'addgroup --system admin'
[10:47] <frank> Pro_Newbie: with what?
[10:47] <La_PaRCa> HappyFool, Firgured all my stuff out. Still cant install xorg because I cannot connect to the repository, even if I can fully browse it via firefox.
[10:47] <tritium> Belutz, you can't at the moment.
[10:47] <HappyFool> Belutz: you cannot, currently
[10:47] <robotgeek> raven3x7: it's a free country ain't it :))
[10:47] <raven3x7> robotgeek so they're sertious for you i guess
[10:48] <rainingzigzags> whats the best script for xchat if ur a ircop on a server?
[10:48] <Belutz> ic
[10:48] <HappyFool> Belutz: if you *really* need it, get it from mozilla.org
[10:48] <_DuDe_> added
[10:48] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: cool
[10:48] <Belutz> yup... i already download it and install it, but i deleted again hehehe
[10:48] <_DuDe_> now should it work?
[10:48] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: not yet
[10:48] <_DuDe_> ok
[10:48] <frank> Belutz: If you wait a few days, the security patches will make their way into hoary-security
[10:48] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: now, type 'adduser smith admin'
[10:48] <Artimus> Has anyone done a floppy install of Ubuntu before?  I'm to the part where you chroot in, but there's no libncurses.
[10:48] <Belutz> frank:  ok, i rather wait for it :)
[10:49] <_DuDe_> added
[10:49] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: then tell me what 'grep ^admin /etc/group' says
[10:49] <Morti> How do I suid root something?
[10:49] <robotgeek> raven3x7: i think i'll just wait!
[10:49] <_DuDe_> admin:x:114:smith
[10:49] <HappyFool> yay
[10:49] <Belutz> what's a good app for html editor that support PHP syntax highlighting in linux?
[10:49] <Pro_Newbie> Im having a kind of weird problem....Im on Kubuntu 5.04 brand new install, just powered it up and put the nvidia glx driver (my VGA is GeForce 6600GT). Before u eat me alive (:)) i alredy asked @ #kubuntu but no one helped me and suggested to come here.... so. When a new event happens (like new msg here or move the window) the whole desktop, or part of the windows turn in some kind of weird color palette like on a scrambled tv.... can anone help me to 
[10:49] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: ok, open another terminal window, type 'sudo ls', and, when prompted, enter your user password
[10:50] <_DuDe_> ok
[10:50] <joefre> Belutz: I use Bluefish or jEdit
[10:50] <_DuDe_> I'm in
[10:50] <raven3x7> robotgeek probably better that way. custom installations are a pain to manage
[10:50] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: yay
[10:50] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: try synaptic now, though I think you might need to logout and login
[10:50] <Belutz> joefre: ok, is it available in synaptic?
[10:50] <_DuDe_> logout of unbuntu
[10:50] <joefre> bluefish definately is
[10:50] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: yeah. first try though
[10:51] <_DuDe_> ok
[10:51] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: i'm not sure if the group info gets magically updated somehow
[10:51] <robotgeek> raven3x7: true,
[10:51] <frank> Pro_Newbie: did you install the driver with apt-get?
[10:51] <joefre> Belutz: searh and see :)
[10:51] <robotgeek> raven3x7: and i havent recompiled my kernel yet on ubuntu (yay!)
[10:51] <_DuDe_> HappyFool, I got in the program
[10:51] <Belutz> joefre: i'm doing it hehehe :D
[10:51] <tritium> Pro_Newbie, and did you also run "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"?
[10:51] <Pro_Newbie> nope with K(Sy)naptic
[10:51] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: at last *phew*
[10:51] <_DuDe_> lol
[10:51] <frank> Pro_Newbie: ok its the same thing
[10:51] <Pro_Newbie> tritium: no
[10:51] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: your system now has a more-or-less standard 'admin' setup
[10:52] <tritium> !BinaryDrivers
[10:52] <ubotu> tritium: Bugger all, i dunno
[10:52] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: anyway, you can use synaptic to install software
[10:52] <raven3x7> rven3x7 if it works dont fix it
[10:52] <_DuDe_> ok, thanks a bunch
[10:52] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: to get eggdrop, you'll need to add the 'universe' repository -- see these urls for more:
[10:52] <HappyFool> !repositories
[10:52] <ubotu> well, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:52] <HappyFool> !apt
[10:52] <ubotu> hmm... apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[10:52] <HappyFool> !synaptic
[10:52] <ubotu> rumour has it, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[10:52] <tritium> Pro_Newbie, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:52] <_DuDe_> You rock HappyFool
[10:53] <Morti> How do I suid root something? smbmnt wants it.
[10:53] <HappyFool> _DuDe_: :-)
[10:53] <HappyFool> Morti: chmod u+s smbmnt, i think
[10:53] <Morti> k
[10:53] <Morti> Ta.
[10:53] <another> hey guys, im havin grub problems. i have windows on /dev/hda1 and ubunutu on /dev/hdb1 through /dev/hdb4 (one install). i had windows installed, then installed ubuntu, then re-installed windows. now i tryed to reinstall grub by booting into knoppix (where i am now) and doing setup (hd0) (hd0,0) to put it on /dev/hda1, but it said it coudnt mount. so i did the same for /dev/hdb1 and it worked fine. so i opened fdisk and toggled the bootable
[10:53] <another>  permission to be on for hdb1 and off for hda, but it wont boot and just says press a key to reset. how do i reinstall grub?
[10:53] <Pro_Newbie> tritium: 10x a lot hope it wont bug again
[10:54] <tritium> Pro_Newbie, no problem.  You're always free to ask questions.  That's why we're here :)
[10:54] <robotgeek> btw, firefox on windows can now play yahoo launch vidoes
[10:54] <Belutz> HappyFool: what is the 'universe' thingy?
[10:54] <Pro_Newbie> :)
[10:54] <frank> another: Are you still in knoppix?
[10:55] <raven3x7> nvidia needs to fix their xorg drivers soon
[10:55] <another> yeah
[10:55] <tritium> Belutz, see this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[10:55] <HappyFool> Belutz: it's a collection of software not officially supported by ubuntu
[10:55] <another> cant get into ubuntu at all
[10:55] <frank> did you try  grub-install while chrooted into ubuntu?
[10:55] <albino> Is there a way to install ubuntu over the net by booting off floppy disks?  If so, is there a document that details where to get the images or could someone point me where to get them from.
[10:55] <tritium> frank has the answer
[10:55] <another> i shall
[10:57] <robotgeek> devilspie is putting weird messages on my irssi screen...lemme se if i can turn that off :)
[10:57] <HappyFool> albino: see here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalNetInstall     and especially the link at bottom (for boot floppies)
[10:57] <HappyFool> albino: caveat: i don't know if this works
[10:57] <taw> i have one more question [still waiting for the livecd to download, it's so slow]  :-)
[10:57] <Belutz> Tritium: should i edit the sources.list to get more packages listed in synaptic?
[10:58] <albino> HappyFool: Thank you, I was wondering if I was going to get an answer
[10:58] <taw> does ubuntu have osx gui theme ? :-D
[10:58] <tritium> Belutz, if you want to add the universe and multiverse repos, yes.  You can also add them in synaptic.
[10:58] <tritium> !repositories
[10:58] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:58] <another> how am i supposed to use grub-install? i tryed grub-install /dev/hda and i get a bunch of "/sbin/grub-install: line 477: /dev/null: Permission denied" errors and then a "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly."
[10:58] <raven3x7> dawm firefox keeps crashing
[10:59] <robotgeek> raven3x7: you need the sessionsaver plugin :)
[10:59] <Pro_Newbie> tritium: nope it bugs again even after the nvidia-glx config enable
[10:59] <Pro_Newbie> :(((
[10:59] <frank> another: Yeah the problem is the way knoppix mounts the partition by default
[11:00] <tritium> Pro_Newbie, can you paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf on pastebin please?  /var/log/Xorg.0.log may also be helpful
[11:00] <raven3x7> Pro_Newbie did it report that i succeeded?
[11:00] <Belutz> tritium:  may i private message you?
[11:00] <tritium> Belutz, okay
[11:00] <raven3x7> robotgeek what does that do? restre the previous session?
[11:00] <frank> another: open up fstab (in knoppix) and take out the nodev option for the ubuntu partion...   it's something like that but I haven't really ever done it though
[11:01] <robotgeek> raven3x7: yeah, exactly as it was...
[11:01] <robotgeek> raven3x7: i don't remember if it remembers text boxes
[11:02] <frank> another: and then umount and mount again
[11:02] <another> i see no nodev option in there
[11:02] <sh0k> hi
[11:02] <sh0k> crimsun: ur here?
[11:02] <flipy> I'm having a dependency problem: i've installed drupal, but somehow mysql got removed, and now if I try to uninstall drupal it asks me for a mysql root user and password. How can I get ride of it?
[11:02] <raven3x7> its not firefox that crashes really its probably gecko. the rest of firefox seems to work right. i'm using the vesa drivers so that might be the problem
[11:03] <another> the line in knoppixs fstab for my ubuntu part. is "/dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1 ext3 noauto,users,exec 0 0"
[11:03] <frank> another: someone may know more than me about this. But I pretty sure there is some option that needs to be changed
[11:03] <sh0k> anyone can help me with my alsa shit?
[11:03] <frank> another: what about for hda
[11:03] <sh0k> i cant get it workin
[11:04] <robotgeek> raven3x7: i am on ppc linux, so java always keeps crashing
[11:04] <ubuntu> excue me but how do I access my harddisk while using the Live CD ubuntu?
[11:05] <raven3x7> i hate java on the web. it only creates problems
[11:05] <sh0k> sh0k@candy-shop:~$ amixer
[11:05] <sh0k> amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device
[11:05] <lsuactiafner> alsamixer?
[11:06] <sh0k> sh0k@candy-shop:~$ alsamixer
[11:06] <sh0k> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[11:06] <robotgeek> raven3x7: it's got lots of money backing it up
[11:06] <sh0k> my whole sound system is fucked
[11:06] <frank> ubuntu: make a mount point in /mnt  then  sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/name
[11:06] <sh0k> i need someone who can fix it
[11:06] <another> man this sucks, im probably going to have to install ubuntu all over again and loose all my files
[11:06] <frank> sh0k: are you using amd64>
[11:06] <sh0k> no
[11:07] <raven3x7> obviously
[11:07] <sh0k> i got nforce2
[11:07] <sh0k> soundcard
[11:07] <lsuactiafner> another : why?
[11:07] <another> windows overwrote grub and i cant seem to reinstall it through knoppix
[11:07] <lsuactiafner> no idea why ubuntu doesnt have alsaconf
[11:07] <tiglionabbit> !recover
[11:07] <ubotu> somebody said recover was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[11:07] <sh0k> yea
[11:08] <sh0k> i want to deinstall
[11:08] <sh0k> and reinstall alsa new
[11:08] <d-man> is there a built in SSH app in ubuntu?
[11:08] <nightswim> yes
[11:08] <nightswim> ssh
[11:08] <tiglionabbit> another: does that wiki help you?
[11:09] <robotgeek> @all, is there anyway to make a feature request or a most asked question thread...esp, alsaconf and why it's not there in alsa-utils?
[11:09] <frank> tiglionabbit where can you find the ubotu commands?
[11:09] <cut0ff> lsuactiafner run this 'dpkg -l | grep alsa'
[11:09] <tiglionabbit> frank: !help
[11:09] <raven3x7> sh0k hopefully better multimedia support is a goal for breezy
[11:09] <another> checking it out right now
[11:09] <frank> !help
[11:10] <Burgundavia> raven3x7, sound already works, via alsa dmix
[11:10] <sh0k> how u mean that raven3x7 ?
[11:10] <frank> tiglionabbit: thanks
[11:10] <raven3x7> well mplayer gives me problems with alsa
[11:11] <jp> how can I restart dbus session?
[11:11] <lsuactiafner> cut0ff : i rean that but all those packages are installed..
[11:11] <lsuactiafner> but no alsaconf
[11:11] <frank> !slashdot
[11:11] <raven3x7> also nvidia drivers wont work but thats not ubuntus fault
[11:12] <Zerboxx> Anyhelp here, I am trying to get a wireless card working using ndiswrapper, and when I type "ndiswrapper -l" I get "wusb54g invalid driver!" What is wrong??
[11:12] <raven3x7> sh0k of course mplayer is not an oficial package so i cant really complain
[11:12] <tiglionabbit> !nvidia
[11:12] <ubotu> well, nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:12] <jp> how can I restart the dbus session?
[11:12] <robotgeek> does anyone know the location of the mplayer binary on ppc?
[11:13] <cut0ff> lsuactiafner try to run alsamixer though
[11:13] <robotgeek> a locate, find doesn't bring it up..even after apt-getting it
[11:13] <tiglionabbit> robotgeek: if you have it installed, you can say "which" and the name of the binary, if it's in your path
[11:13] <raven3x7> robotgeek try locate mplayer
[11:13] <tritium> lsuactiafner, there are good reasons why alsaconf was not included.
[11:13] <another> yeah i dont think that wiki is helping, the problem is grub actually IS installed on /dev/hdb1, but my system wont boot from that drive or something, but it must have before, i just dont know how the ubuntu set up managed it
[11:13] <tiglionabbit> robotgeek: also try "dpkg -L mplayer-??" where ?? is whatever was in the package name there
[11:13] <lsuactiafner> cut0ff : yeh but alsamixer is no use in configuring a sound device
[11:14] <Burgundavia> jp, "/etc/init.d/dbus restart"
[11:14] <robotgeek> tiglionabbit,raven3x7 : doesn't pull up the binary
[11:14] <robotgeek> tiglionabbit: on it now
[11:14] <sh0k> sh0k@candy-shop:~$ nvmixer
[11:14] <sh0k> nvmixer: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:14] <zone17> Hi, what happends if one uses Debians original repos?
[11:15] <another> i have all my conf files and stuff there still, setup (hd1,0) (hd1,0) works fine, but when i start it just says press a key to reboot, i dont know what peice of software is saying that, could it be grub? or just the bios?
[11:15] <cut0ff> lsuactiafner wait please
[11:15] <tiglionabbit> zone17: dunno, but I've heard they don't work so well as using our own
[11:15] <raven3x7> robotgeek try typing sudo updatedb first then locate mplayer or mplayer-x86 wichever version you got
[11:15] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[11:15] <ubotu> methinks sources is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersAddingRepositories
[11:15] <robotgeek> raven3x7: i did that...doesn't work
[11:16] <raven3x7> robotgeek that meens mplayer386 0r mplayer-586
[11:16] <tiglionabbit> robotgeek: he said he's using a PPC
[11:16] <tiglionabbit> oops, meant that for raven3x7
[11:16] <robotgeek> tiglionabbit,raven3x7 : i found a symlink in /usr/bin
[11:17] <raven3x7> tiglionabbit locate doesnt ork on ppc. never used a macintosh
[11:17] <raven3x7> ?
[11:17] <tiglionabbit> raven3x7: it doesn't?  Why shouldn't it?
[11:17] <robotgeek> raven3x7,tiglionabbit : but, no use...lemme purge and reinstall the package!
[11:18] <raven3x7> tiglionabbit sorry. that was a question
[11:18] <cut0ff> lsuactiafner paste the output of 'cat /dev/sndstat'
[11:18] <robotgeek> raven3x7,tiglionabbit : locate works, maybe a problem with the package!
[11:18] <another> is it even possible at all to boot from a slave drive?
[11:19] <_DuDe_> back
[11:19] <sagitta> yes, I boot from a slave drive
[11:19] <anacron> slavery is wrong!
[11:19] <anacron> why can't all be masters like s-ata's are
[11:19] <another> heh
[11:20] <cafuego> another: Coz then you'd waste half the ide bus.
[11:20] <tiglionabbit> ah there it is, mplayer-powerpc .  robotgeek just "dpkg -L mplayer-powerpc | less" and look through the files it's got
[11:20] <raven3x7> eide is evil
[11:20] <tiglionabbit> whats wrong with EIDE?
[11:20] <cafuego> You newfangled kids just too damn spoilt.
[11:20] <another> well i just found a version of grub for windows, seems od but i geuss that might be the answer
[11:20] <cafuego> Go boot off a tape drive
[11:20] <robotgeek> tiglionabbit: one sec...
[11:21] <raven3x7> tiglionabbit read what anacron said
[11:21] <Zerboxx> I need help with ndiswrapper.  It doesn't seem to be working with my wireless usb device.  Any help??
[11:21] <anacron> and why don't why get any flashcard type hard-drives? that current technicue is something more than 10 years old
[11:21] <another> ahwfukit, im just going to reinstall, probably faster
[11:21] <cafuego> anacron: They don't last long enough for consumer hardware.
[11:21] <anto9us> Zerboxx: what does ndiswrapper -l show you?
[11:21] <anacron> flashcards?
[11:22] <anacron> cafuego: or what do you mean
[11:22] <cafuego> anacron: They have a limited number of read/writes before they die.
[11:22] <Zerboxx> anto9us: wusb54g   Invalid driver!
[11:22] <anacron> cafuego: well they have to invent something
[11:23] <cafuego> anacron: Why they? Why can't _you_?
[11:23] <sh0k> i just deinstalled alsa*
[11:24] <sh0k> guys thats fuckin bullshit with nforce
[11:24] <Discipulus> what do I use to install the C man pages?
[11:25] <cafuego> manpages-dev
[11:25] <_DuDe_> Starting Configuration...
[11:25] <_DuDe_> checking for gcc... no
[11:25] <_DuDe_> checking for cc... no
[11:25] <_DuDe_> configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
[11:25] <anto9us> Zerboxx: is your system 32 bit or 64 bit?
[11:25] <cafuego> _DuDe_: install build-essential
[11:25] <_DuDe_> oh
[11:25] <_DuDe_> yea
[11:25] <cafuego> _DuDe_: What are you compiling?
[11:25] <_DuDe_> forgot, thanks
[11:25] <_DuDe_> eggdrop
[11:25] <Zerboxx> anto9us: It's pretty old, so I assume 32
[11:25] <cafuego> !info eggdrop
[11:25] <ubotu> eggdrop: (Advanced IRC Robot), section universe/net, is extra. Version: 1.6.17-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 459 kB, Installed size: 1144 kB
[11:25] <cafuego> _DuDe_: apt-get install eggdrop
[11:26] <robotgeek> raven3x7,tiglionabbit : weird..i purged by doing apt-get remove --purge mplayer-g4 , then manually cleaned everything else
[11:26] <angel_> hello
[11:26] <_DuDe_> Type that in terminal?
[11:26] <cafuego> _DuDe_: yep
[11:26] <aeolist> oh god
[11:26] <cafuego> _DuDe_: Well, add 'sudo ' as well.
[11:26] <aeolist> this guy has totally killed soko
[11:26] <robotgeek> raven3x7,tiglionabbit : i still get a symlink in /usr/bin for gmplayer -> mplayer , nothing else
[11:26] <angel_> someone know how unistall program??
[11:26] <hondje> apt-get remove <program>
[11:27] <chillywilly> what package is smartd in?
[11:27] <angel_> ok thank
[11:27] <cafuego> angel_: 'sudo apt-get remove <program>'
[11:27] <anto9us> Zerboxx: what does lsusb show you?
[11:27] <_DuDe_> smith@ubuntu:~$ apt-get install eggdrop
[11:27] <_DuDe_> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[11:27] <_DuDe_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[11:27] <hondje> chillywilly: smartmontools, IIRC
[11:27] <chillywilly> I do not see it in smartmontolls
[11:27] <cafuego> chillywilly: smartmontools
[11:27] <chillywilly> tools*
[11:27] <jeff__> up
[11:27] <cafuego> !find bin/smartd
[11:27] <hondje> are you root? <---- I like helpful error messages
[11:27] <tanki> haha
[11:27] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'bin/smartd' (1 shown): (/usr/sbin/smartd) in utils/smartmontools.
[11:27] <hondje> use sudo apt-get install stuff
[11:27] <angel_> yeah....
[11:27] <tanki> i dont know why but when i saw cafuego reply to chillywilly i couldn't stop laughing
[11:28] <chillywilly> ah, I probably need to configure it then
[11:28] <chillywilly> :)
[11:28] <_DuDe_> !eggdrop
[11:28] <ubotu> _DuDe_: Bugger all, i dunno
[11:28] <Zerboxx> anto9us: I assume it should be plugged in when I do that, right?
[11:28] <tanki> it was something to do with contrasting funny nicks involved in a serious subject
[11:28] <anto9us> Zerboxx: yes
[11:28] <angel_> do you know a good program for PHP HTML and Java??
[11:28] <Zerboxx> anto9us: In that case, be back in a second (using 2 computers, and one usb wireless device)
[11:29] <_DuDe_> !AHHHHHHHH
[11:29] <ubotu> _DuDe_: I don't know, could you explain it?
[11:29] <tanki> dont sneeze chilly!!!
[11:29] <tanki> someone give him a tissue
[11:29] <tanki> or we're all toast
[11:29] <trapeze> good evening
[11:29] <angel_> ^
[11:29] <robotgeek> danger Will Robinson!
[11:29] <angel_> ^^
[11:30] <cafuego> trapeze: good morning
[11:30] <angel_> evening for me...
[11:30] <cafuego> tomorrow morning for me
[11:31] <Zerboxx> anto9us: Bus 001 Device 008: ID 1915:2234 and another line that was there when the networkthing wasn't plugged in
[11:31] <trapeze> the topic says : don't use breezy yet => when you install a fresh 5.04 version  hedgehog release and then you ask for auto update of the files & language stuff does it act as if it was installing that BREEZY?
[11:31] <_DuDe_> How do I
[11:31] <cafuego> trapeze: No, it installs new hoary updates. Not breezy.
[11:31] <trapeze> because for some reason, X isn't starting :p i get a black screen telling me that the resolution isn't supported by my monitor
[11:31] <raven3x7> trapeze no
[11:31] <_DuDe_> How do I install build-essential?
[11:32] <tiglionabbit> terrex: it will only update to the distro you have listed in /etc/apt/sources.list, which by default is hoary.  Don't change it
[11:32] <angel_> do you have test apt-get install??
[11:32] <angel_> DuDe??
[11:32] <cafuego> trapeze: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg'. Answer the questions, and configure X.
[11:32] <tiglionabbit> angel_: you mean apt-get -s install ?
[11:32] <_DuDe_> huh?
[11:32] <topyli> _DuDe_: apt-get install build-essential :)
[11:32] <cafuego> trapeze: When it asks about the screen, choose 'Simple' configuration.
[11:32] <boga> I need somebody to help me get phpinfo() work as it should. At present the browser displays entire the entire text.
[11:33] <Zerboxx> anto9us: any ideas?
[11:33] <angel_> hummm....
[11:33] <anto9us> Zerboxx: did you download the latest driver for the Linksys WUSB54G?
[11:33] <trapeze> i didn't have that, only a page asking me to choose the resolutions i wanted to use & the ones i didn't want....i checked from 640x480 , 800x600 &  1024x768
[11:33] <_DuDe_> Thanks topyli
[11:34] <Zerboxx> anto9us: Yup!
[11:34] <angel_> tiglionabbit >> ??????
[11:34] <topyli> _DuDe_: well, it's just a package after all
[11:34] <anto9us> Zerboxx: do you have a windows partition on that machine with drivers installed?
[11:34] <Zerboxx> anto9us: No, I have them installed on this computer though
[11:34] <Servo888> I have a question - it seems the user has to type in their password everytime they 'activate' their dialup connection - even though that user is the administrator, and apart of the dialup group.
[11:35] <tiglionabbit> angel_: it's a simulated install, it just prints out the information without installing anything
[11:35] <Servo888> Is there anyway around this?
[11:35] <anto9us> Zerboxx: copy the driver from that one and try it
[11:35] <Zerboxx> anto9us: That's what I did
[11:35] <Belutz> how do i report something to ubuntu?
[11:35] <raven3x7> trapeze thats a shell command. open a terminal and type it
[11:35] <tiglionabbit> Belutz: use bugzilla?  (where is bugzilla btw)
[11:35] <tiglionabbit> !bugzilla
[11:35] <ubotu> I don't know, tiglionabbit
[11:35] <marcus> FTP server config question
[11:36] <topyli> Belutz: report what, ubuntu who? :)
[11:36] <angel_> but i didn't ask anithink....
[11:36] <angel_> lol
[11:36] <anto9us> Zerboxx: copy the entire driver folder and make sure you ndiswrapper -i <the .inf file>
[11:36] <angel_> but thank
[11:36] <angel_> ...
[11:36] <Zerboxx> anto9us: With the device plugged in?
[11:37] <Belutz> topyli: i'm in indonesia, and i set the time zone into Asia/Jakarta, and it says 'WIT' as the suffix, the right suffix for Asia/Jakarta is 'WIB'
[11:37] <trapeze> raven3x7 : can't have terminal cause i have nothing being displayed with gnome right now....i switched to tty1 with ctrl+alt+f1 so i can run things there, question is : which in order to make me able to launch gnome-panel
[11:37] <marcus> where is the ftp server config file?
[11:37] <angel_> bye
[11:37] <angel_> ++
[11:37] <anto9us> Zerboxx: it's not necessary for loading the driver, should list driver present, hardware not present
[11:37] <topyli> Belutz: ah. that's a bug then. report it at bugzilla
[11:37] <Zerboxx> anto9us: Ok, thanks, I'll give it a try now
[11:38] <sh0k> root@candy-shop:/home/sh0k/Desktop # cat /proc/asound/cards
[11:38] <sh0k> --- no soundcards ---
[11:38] <Belutz> topyli: www.bugzilla.org ?
[11:38] <topyli> Belutz: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[11:38] <Belutz> topyli: ok, thx :)
[11:39] <A[D] minS> Guys is there command for auto-update ?
[11:39] <tiglionabbit> A[D] minS: "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[11:39] <McQuaid> hello, i was reading that for a time, polypaudio was the default for ubuntu but switched back to esd
[11:39] <tiglionabbit> ubotu bugzilla is https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[11:39] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: okay
[11:39] <McQuaid> i don't normally use any sound daemon, but i'm looking at my options for gaming with teamspeak
[11:40] <A[D] minS> tiglionabbit, what a bout installing KDE3.4 ?
[11:40] <McQuaid> the only one i could get working with both was arts but the lag is awful
[11:40] <A[D] minS> just apt-get install kde ?
[11:40] <Belutz> anyone use thunderbird?
[11:40] <McQuaid> anyone familar with polypaudio?
[11:40] <tiglionabbit> A[D] minS: kubuntu, not kde
[11:40] <nightswim> I use thinderbird
[11:40] <tiglionabbit> A[D] minS: I mean, kubuntu-desktop
[11:40] <khermans> Xvidcap is buggy, anyone know of other Desktop Video Captue software?
[11:41] <Belutz> nightswim: can i share the mbox between the thunderbird in ubuntu and thunderbird in windows xp? i'm using dual boot
[11:41] <A[D] minS> thx tiglionabbit  what diffrence between kde and kubuntu-desktop ?
[11:41] <nightswim> uuhm
[11:41] <sh0k> Other distributions
[11:41] <sh0k> If the distribution you are using provides a configuration mechanism for audio drivers, use it to select the nvsound driver module for use with the nForce audio device. Otherwise, manually edit the module configuration file.
[11:41] <sh0k> If your configuration file already contains an entry for the i810_audio, snd-intel8x0, or nvaudio drivers (open-source audio drivers that supports the nForce audio controller), that entry needs to be commented out with a # or removed:
[11:41] <nightswim> perhaps with a symlink :)
[11:41] <sh0k> where is the module file?
[11:41] <anto9us> Belutz: you can configure both to leave your mail on the server
[11:41] <Riddell> A[D] minS: kde has all the KDE programs, kubuntu-desktop has a selection for a sensible desktop
[11:41] <nightswim> assuming the windows versions uses the same mbox stuff
[11:42] <Belutz> ok..
[11:42] <raven3x7> trapeze tried booting into recovery mode? you could run that script there.  there might be an easier way but i cant think of anyting else right now
[11:42] <nightswim> Belutz: I'd install them both
[11:42] <Belutz> what about creating a shortcut folder on my desktop?
[11:42] <nightswim> then mount the windows disk
[11:42] <Belutz> nightswim: how to create the symlink?
[11:42] <nightswim> and have the mbox on linux symlink to that one
[11:42] <nightswim> ln -s
[11:43] <trapeze> raven3x7 : ok thanks, i'm giving a look at the xorg.conf file right now, might be it'll help me. anyway, what's the command i should run in recovery mode???
[11:43] <tiglionabbit> Belutz: ls -s whereyourelinking linkname
[11:43] <cafuego> Belutz: Windows could use the Linux disk if you used say ext2 or ext3 on Linux.
[11:43] <cafuego> Belutz: Or vice versa, provided you use fat32 on Windows.
[11:44] <tanki> cafuego, windows can talk to ext2/3?
[11:44] <raven3x7> trapeze sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
[11:44] <cafuego> tanki: Yep, mine does.
[11:44] <Discipulus> Everyone think they can do me a favor
[11:44] <Discipulus> ???
[11:44] <Belutz> i already provide a fat32 partition for datashare, thx for all the answer about the thunderbird
[11:44] <tanki> cafuego, while in windows you can access your ext2/ext3 partitions?
[11:44] <Discipulus> open a new tab and connect to irc.freenode.com:9001 for testing, they need about 200 more users
[11:44] <mk_> I'm seeing an mk5sum checksum error with Hoary's libg2c0 package. Can someone check if they can install it without problems?
[11:44] <cafuego> tanki: Yes.
[11:44] <tanki> cafuego, how?
[11:45] <khermans> Anyone here have a video screen capture software for Linux
[11:45] <cafuego> tanki: I mount my /home partition as L:
[11:45] <Belutz> tiglionabbit: how do i create a shorcut folder on my desktop?
[11:45] <cafuego> tanki: Let me just find the software page...
[11:45] <Discipulus> mk_, what mirror are you using?
[11:45] <tiglionabbit> Belutz: you mean a launcher?
[11:45] <tanki> cafuego, how would you mount a linux partion if only windows is running?
[11:45] <LinuxJones> khermans, like output of xorg into a video format ?
[11:45] <tanki> yeah i'm guessing you're using something because i dont know of any native way in windows to do that
[11:45] <cafuego> tanki: With mount.exe for windows, of course :-)
[11:46] <Discipulus> ubotu, what is us mirror?
[11:46] <ubotu> Discipulus: what are you talking about?
[11:46] <Discipulus> !us
[11:46] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Discipulus
[11:46] <raven3x7> trapeze as suggested by cafuego. im not sure what -plow does though. always used this without options myself..
[11:46] <Discipulus> heh
[11:46] <Discipulus> damn
[11:46] <khermans> LinuxJones, I want to create a demo presentation of things I am doing via my desktop
[11:46] <Belutz> tiglionabbit: yup, a launcher that opening folder
[11:46] <cafuego> !usrepos
[11:46] <ubotu> hmm... usrepos is if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:46] <Discipulus> there ya go mk_
[11:46] <Zerboxx> anto9us: The .inf file used for the windows box is the one I've already tried with ndiswrapper
[11:46] <tiglionabbit> Belutz: well you could make the command "nautilus /the/folder", or you could just do an ln in terminal
[11:46] <mk_> tiglionabbit: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:47] <tiglionabbit> mk_: what?
[11:47] <Belutz> tiglionabbit: ok... trying it
[11:47] <Discipulus> mk_, change it to http://archive.ubuntu.com
[11:47] <anto9us> Zerboxx: were the rest of the files that the .inf file uses available to it?
[11:47] <LinuxJones> khermans, let me have a look there was a good one that enables you to hilight a section of the screen (like an application window) and allow you to record it in divx format...let me see
[11:47] <Zerboxx> anto9us: Ah, missed that part, let me try that...my mistake
[11:47] <cafuego> tanki: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd/
[11:47] <tanki> thanks
[11:48] <Belutz> tiglionabbit: i got this error: ln: `/media/datashare/': hard link not allowed for directory
[11:48] <khermans> LinuxJones, was it xvidcap?  That was has segfaulted on me everytime now
[11:48] <mk_> So us.archive.ubuntu.com is broken? Or is there something I'm missing?
[11:48] <LinuxJones> khermans, yeah that's it
[11:48] <khermans> LinuxJones, do you know how to use it?
[11:48] <khermans> LinuxJones, it is not in the repos
[11:48] <Belutz> tiglionabbit: i forgot to use -s :p
[11:48] <tiglionabbit> Belutz: yep
[11:48] <khermans> LinuxJones, and keeps making *.xwd files
[11:49] <LinuxJones> khermans, you probably just need the appropriate codecs for it...ie divx or mpg
[11:49] <sh0k> does ubutnu have modules.conf or modprobe.conf?
[11:49] <khermans> LinuxJones, i have all the codecs...lol
[11:49] <khermans> LinuxJones, have you used it frequently?
[11:49] <cafuego> sh0k: modprobe.conf for 2.6 kernels, but you add configuration options in /etc/modprobe.d/*
[11:49] <Zerboxx> anto9us: You may have just saved me a lot of frustration...
[11:50] <LinuxJones> khermans, you have to disable the limit of frames that it records set that to 0 ....give me a sec
[11:50] <khermans> there seem to be no alternatives
[11:50] <LinuxJones> khermans, I have used it before lemme  install it and test it out
[11:50] <sh0k> Other distributions
[11:50] <sh0k> If the distribution you are using provides a configuration mechanism for audio drivers, use it to select the nvsound driver module for use with the nForce audio device. Otherwise, manually edit the module configuration file.
[11:50] <sh0k> If your configuration file already contains an entry for the i810_audio, snd-intel8x0, or nvaudio drivers (open-source audio drivers that supports the nForce audio controller), that entry needs to be commented out with a # or removed:
[11:50] <sh0k> and i dont know which module file
[11:50] <raven3x7> do i need backports to get transcode? it does not seem to be in extras
[11:51] <anto9us> Zerboxx: :)
[11:51] <tanki> yeah this ext2fsb looks interesting
[11:51] <kalve> i have some videos i can't view in totem. what should i do to get the codecs?
[11:51] <tanki> i might give it a whirl on my laptop later this weekend if i can't get any action at the club
[11:51] <kalve> anything i could just apt-get ?
[11:52] <sh0k> root@candy-shop:/etc/modprobe.d # locate modprobe.conf
[11:52] <sh0k> /usr/share/doc/module-init-tools/examples/generate-modprobe.conf.gz
[11:52] <sh0k> /usr/share/man/man5/modprobe.conf.5.gz
[11:52] <topyli> kalve: w32codecs
[11:52] <khermans> LinuxJones, i have to leave work
[11:52] <LinuxJones> khermans, is this for a presentation or just to help someone through the odd problem ?
[11:52] <khermans> LinuxJones, can you send me a msg if you get a chance, no biggie if you dont figure it out
[11:52] <raven3x7> ugh its there. dependencies seem problematic
[11:52] <khermans> LinuxJones, i want to make a presentation for work
[11:52] <sh0k> and i also dont have modules.conf
[11:53] <khermans> LinuxJones, I am giving a demo on advanced port knocking concepts
[11:53] <mk_> Thanks, switching to archive.ubuntu.com worked!
[11:53] <LinuxJones> khermans, check out xnee
[11:54] <LinuxJones> khermans, records actual xorg output and allows you to play it back >> http://www.gnu.org/software/xnee/
[11:54] <khermans> LinuxJones, doesnt seem to allow video ouput
[11:55] <topyli> sh0k: modules.conf is in /etc on this box
[11:55] <raven3x7> does anyone know if transcode depends on a backports package?
[11:55] <khermans> LinuxJones, looks like has to be played back on Xorg
[11:55] <sh0k> ok thanks
[11:55] <LinuxJones> khermans, you can take the video output from your video card that's not an issue..or is it :)
[11:55] <cikilin> have some pbs
[11:56] <nedens> cccc
[11:56] <khermans> LinuxJones, hehe this is so dumb -- im going to have to output my Linux screen to my DVD recorder, rip the DVD, and make a video!!!!
[11:56] <cikilin> how i fix gnome panel?
[11:57] <khermans> LinuxJones, msg me if you find any better solutions -- thanks!!!
[11:57] <kalve> when i rightclick the desktop i get 'open terminal' on the context menu. where can i chandeb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[11:57] <Belutz> tiglionabbit: in nautilus --> edit --> preferences --> display, you can see the date format, i always get 'WIT' as a suffix, like 'Sat 16 Jul 2005 04:55:38 AM WIT, what is the 'WIT' in there?
[11:57] <nedens> do someone knows how to se firewall on this ubuntu?
[11:57] <kalve> shit. i hate this touchpad..
[11:57] <Almindor> hello, is there a way to convert a filesystem?
[11:57] <Almindor> I just found out ReiserFS has problems with certain programs ;(
[11:57] <kalve> when i rightclick the desktop i get 'open terminal' on the context menu. where can i change what command is run when i click it?
[11:57] <topyli> cikilin: how is it broken?
[11:58] <max__> Yeah I think I remember reading that ReiserFS is stricly experimental with Ubuntu.
[11:58] <max__> Strictly, rather.
[11:58] <LinuxJones> khermans, vnc2swf records vnc output to flash format beyond that I am out of ideas :)
[11:58] <nedens> do someone knows how to set firewall on this ubuntu, please?
[11:58] <Belutz> topily: in nautilus --> edit --> preferences --> display, you can see the date format, i always get 'WIT' as a suffix, like 'Sat 16 Jul 2005 04:55:38 AM WIT, what is the 'WIT' in there? could you check yours to see what's the suffix in yours?
[11:58] <Almindor> max__, well I just figured that Neverwinter Nights take 30 seconds to load because of it ;(
[11:59] <Almindor> among other things
[11:59] <max__> Yeah, thats definitely no fun...
[11:59] <raven3x7> nedens apt-get install firestarter
[11:59] <max__> Unfortunately I don't know about filesystem conversion, if its possible to do so and preserve data.
[11:59] <nedens> thans raven3x7 :)
[11:59] <topyli> Belutz: EEST
[12:00] <nedens> thanks raven3x7 :)