[12:06] <gigaclon> :)
[12:08] <michael> I try to ap-get install msttcorefonts but get an error
[12:09] <michael> what repository do I need?
[12:12] <seth_k> multiverse
[12:14] <michael> which multiverse?  what is the whole url
[12:14] <seth_k> find the lines about universe in your sources.list
[12:15] <seth_k> and add multiverse next to them
[12:15] <seth_k> there are two lines
[12:15] <stibby> join #kde
[12:15] <stibby> typo :(
[12:16] <seth_k> hehe
[12:16] <stibby> what is the best cd ripping utility available for kde?
[12:18] <michael> I don't have any repositories for multiverse
[12:18] <seth_k> michael: that is why you add the names to the end of the universe line. I will show you mine.
[12:19] <seth_k> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[12:19] <seth_k> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[12:19] <seth_k> like that, michael.
[12:19] <michael> o, ok
[12:19] <michael> ty
[12:24] <michael> It still says there is no installation cantidate
[12:24] <seth_k> did you do an update?
[12:24] <seth_k> you have to reload your sources
[12:24] <michael> yea
[12:24] <michael> i'll try again
[12:24] <seth_k> paste your sources.list to http://pastebin.com
[12:25] <michael> name is MikeL
[12:27] <michael> yea, I didn't save sources.list first, it's updating now
[12:27] <seth_k> yeah, okay
[12:27] <seth_k> that's good, cause it looked right :P
[12:28] <michael> :P
[12:29] <michael> o, i got a quick question - I was messing around w/ Ctrl+Alt+Esc and clicked my desktop
[12:29] <michael> how to I reenable it?
[12:33] <seth_k> log in and out I suppose
[12:45] <michael> do you know any way to erase a windows partition and expand another?
[12:48] <gigaclon> partition magic
[12:49] <seth_k> pfft
[12:49] <seth_k> partition magic costs money
[12:49] <seth_k> use gparted
[12:49] <gigaclon> does the same thing?
[12:49] <seth_k> yeah, it can even resize NTFS
[12:49] <seth_k> i always use it by booting from a Hoary CD
[12:49] <seth_k> then apt-get installing it
[12:50] <seth_k> then resize and move away
[12:50] <seth_k> and if he is just erasing the windows part, it is super easy
[12:50] <seth_k> and it mimics Partition Magic's interface, so it's easy to use
[12:51] <snikker> hi, i'go a problem with the screen saver... it don't remember xscreensaver preferences...
[12:51] <michael> so, I have hoary installed now, if I do apt-get install gparted - I can use that: or do I need to boot with the ubuntu live cd and use it from there?
[12:51] <michael> ubuntu install*
[12:51] <seth_k> michael: you can't use it on a partition that is currently in use. So if you're wishing to expand your current partition, you're out of luck
[12:52] <seth_k> that's why I boot from a CD
[12:52] <seth_k> michael: if you're just wishing to alter other partitions that you can unmount temporarily, it's all good
[12:55] <yaman> hi, i'm trying to get the "Adaptive Contrast" plugin for gimp--anybody know how?
[12:55] <michael> can I run it off of the kubuntu install cd? or do u know of sumthing free that I can burn to a cd that runs at startup - like partition magic
[12:57] <jpowers> has anyone used paragon's ntfs for linux product?
[12:58] <seth_k> just download a hoary live cd
[12:58] <seth_k> @michael
[12:59] <michael> Can I edit all partitions if I am running the live, and open gparted from there?
[01:00] <stibby> and if possible, in torrent form
[01:00] <seth_k> michael: you have to use apt-get and install gparted while in the live environment, but then you can touch all partitions, yes
[01:00] <michael> ok, ty much
[01:18] <TestMAD> hi
[01:25] <TestMAD> can anyone tell me if they make an Avast! home edition for Linux?
[01:27] <TestMAD> or atleast tell me of a good reliable av for linux
[01:28] <chris12349>  you probably wont need antivirus, but clamav is pretty good
[01:29] <jpowers> there's a tool called klamav which is a passable gui for clamav
[01:29] <seth_k> why would you need antivirus, though?
[01:30] <TestMAD> well.
[01:30] <TestMAD> my wife is an avid web browser
[01:30] <stibby> how does one get to a terminal in enlightenment?
[01:30] <chris12349> don't run as root and you are fine
[01:30] <stibby> i installed it and it works fine but i can't find it...
[01:30] <TestMAD> she goes to google and just types stuff in all the time
[01:30] <seth_k> but there are no viruses for Linux
[01:30] <seth_k> no real ones, anyways
[01:30] <seth_k> no worries, Linux doesn't mind
[01:31] <TestMAD> im gonna keep y peerguardian tho
[01:31] <TestMAD> that app is great
[01:32] <TestMAD> blocks alot of ads from websites and tracking cookies
[01:32] <TestMAD> after messing around with ubuntu.. i decided that dual booting for kids games and CS2 isnt that bad of a trade off.
[01:33] <chris12349> thats why I dual boot, I have to have my games ;)
[01:33] <TestMAD> i talked my wife into sitting down with me and watching a few movies and reading a few books on linux.
[01:33] <TestMAD> we're switching over
[01:33] <michael> what was the linux alternative to partition magic?
[01:33] <michael> from apt-get
[01:33] <chris12349> gparted?
[01:33] <TestMAD> all the games she likes to play have native linux versions anyways
[01:33] <michael> ok, ty
[01:34] <TestMAD> its kewl to have a wife that like 1st person shooters.
[01:34] <TestMAD> not many chicks out there do
[01:34] <TestMAD> atleast chicks her age
[01:35] <AlbanianLord> hello folks
[01:35] <seth_k> hi
[01:35] <frank> TestMAD: movies about linux?
[01:35] <TestMAD> yea
[01:35] <frank> like what?
[01:36] <TestMAD> a beginners intro level vid for linux
[01:36] <TestMAD> and linux for dummies.
[01:36] <TestMAD> heh
[01:36] <frank> ok
[01:37] <AlbanianLord> well i have a quick question, if anyone is willing to teach/help me
[01:37] <AlbanianLord> i just installed kde
[01:37] <AlbanianLord> and in gnome sound works fine
[01:37] <AlbanianLord> what should I do?>
[01:38] <AlbanianLord> wait
[01:38] <AlbanianLord> i think i got it
[01:39] <AlbanianLord> killall esd
[01:39] <seth_k> yes. because KDE does not use esd
[01:39] <seth_k> lol
[01:39] <seth_k> too late
[01:48] <TestMAD> seth_k: wheres a good place to find really awesome linux games and see screenshots?
[01:49] <seth_k> linuxgames.com is nice
[01:49] <seth_k> or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5153
[01:50] <TestMAD> ok..and can ubuntu play wma?
[01:52] <TestMAD> also if an linux program says x86 can it still run on a64ubuntu
[01:52] <TestMAD> ??
[02:07] <frank> TestMAD: still there?
[02:07] <frank> TestMAD: no it can't
[02:07] <frank> TestMAD: (Unless you really want it to)
[02:09] <stibby> linux programs can't run from architecture to architecture?
[02:10] <frank> Well the compiled versions can only run on the version they were compiled for. If you compile from source, it can run on yours (maybe)
[02:18] <stibby> does that mean a kubuntu on os x and a kubunto on amd64 have different package archives though? i don't thin kso
[02:20] <apokryphos> stibby: correct
[02:26] <seth_k> Corollary: when Macs switch to x86, less package upkeep for us!
[02:28] <frank> seth_k: Well when PPC is completely obsolete, yes...  in like 10 years
[02:28] <frank> heh
[02:28] <seth_k> heh, is true
[02:45] <PenguinBoy> evening geeks, nerds, and Linux gurus
[02:47] <Riddell> PenguinBoy: they're all reading harry potter
[02:47] <PenguinBoy> lol
[02:47] <PenguinBoy> i get mine tomorrow
[02:47] <PenguinBoy> YEAH!
[02:47] <seth_k> lol
[02:49] <gdh> I've bought the latest Hairy Potter for an American friend in return for amotherboard they bought me
[02:49] <gdh> about 4 months ago and still hasn't sent on to me!
[02:49] <gdh> warg :|
[02:50] <PenguinBoy> terrible!
[02:50] <PenguinBoy> anyone got a copy of Prince yet???
[02:51] <gdh> Prince? Isn't that some kind of IT project planner ?
[02:51] <gdh> ;)
[02:53] <PenguinBoy> lol
[02:53] <PenguinBoy> NO
[02:53] <PenguinBoy> lol
[02:54] <Riddell> I saw Joanne Rowling, and a long queue of people.  didn't buy a copy though
[02:55] <gdh> I love the way she keeps saying 'no, this is the LAST book'
[02:55] <gdh> and then you can imagine the phone call from her publisher the next morning
[02:55] <gdh> "WTF>!>!> are you *MAD*?!!???!?!?!!?" Milk it!!!"
[02:56] <gdh> hell, Police Academy did well enough out of that concept
[02:57] <Riddell> ?  her origional contract was for 7 books, always has been
[02:58] <gdh> Was it? K, news to me :)
[02:59] <PenguinBoy> yes 7 books
[02:59] <PenguinBoy> she does not have to keep milkng it....read on Google news this morning that she is now the richest woman in the UK....passing the Queen...she is now worth 1 BILLION dollars!
[03:00] <bbailey> Is that UK billion, I presume?
[03:00] <PenguinBoy> it said dollars
[03:00] <apokryphos> She passed the queen some time ago, but didn't know she'd got *that* rich.
[03:02] <PenguinBoy> i wish i could write suc a series
[03:03] <PenguinBoy> for shame
[03:06] <A[D] minS> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdepim/akregator_3.4.0-0ubuntu10_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch and other packages 
[03:06] <A[D] minS> and it said to apt-get update ...i did... and still da same problem so how i can solve it ?
[03:06] <Riddell> A[D] minS: try a different mirror
[03:07] <Riddell> ca.  or uk.
[03:07] <gdh> I've not read any of it. Various literary friends say it's worth a look, but I suffer too greatly from cba :)
[03:07] <gdh> (can't be arsed)
[03:07] <A[D] minS> Riddell, where i can find them ?
[03:07] <A[D] minS> sorry am new with ubuntu :)
[03:08] <apokryphos> us.archive still having problems? Youch.
[03:08] <PenguinBoy> cba?
[03:08] <Riddell> A[D] minS: /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:08] <Riddell> sudo apt-get update
[03:08] <gdh> PenguinBoy: [02:07]  <gdh> (can't be arsed)
[03:09] <PenguinBoy> lol
[03:12] <PenguinBoy> hey hey hey newbie
[03:13] <newbie> hi penguinBoy
[03:16] <A[D] minS> Riddell, i mean from where i can get new miorrors?
[03:17] <seth_k> A[D] minS: just remove the "us." from each line in sources.list
[03:17] <seth_k> so now you have "http://archive.ubuntu.com..."
[03:17] <seth_k> heh
[03:50] <gdh> \o/
[03:52] <stibby> is superkaramba available through apt? i'm not at my kubuntu box right now
[03:52] <apokryphos> It is; latest version, too.
[03:53] <stibby> does it come with all those cool widgets?
[03:57] <boris> any one ever heard of unixhq.org
[03:58] <gdh> no, but sounds like a warez group.
[03:58] <boris> wow your a moron apparently.
[03:58] <gdh> I think the word you're looking for is "you're". QED.
[04:02] <tarheelcoxn> lol
[04:10] <TestMAD> ok..im back..so i cant run gltron or doom3 on 64bit ubuntu??
[04:12] <Frank_dot> you can but it takes work to get it set up
[04:12] <TestMAD> how much work?
[04:12] <Frank_dot> I just switched back to i386 and its alot easier
[04:12] <TestMAD> heh
[04:12] <Frank_dot> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[04:13] <gdh> It's not even like you have a genuinely different/better arch like IA64 or PPC :)
[04:13] <gdh> just yet more glorified extensions to the i386 stack-of-cards.
[04:14] <gdh> lolomg64bit I can download warez twice as fast l0l0l0l0l !2!!!2312!!!"111oneeleven!!11!11
[04:14] <Frank_dot> lol
[04:15] <TestMAD> sup with the n00bspeak?
[04:15] <aseigo> gdh: actually, the amd64 stuff is smoking nice.. have you worked on one of them?
[04:15] <gdh> aseigo: Of course not, can't you see the envy?
[04:16] <gdh> I have a mad quad-xeon with 8M cache at work that I have yet to extract any reasonable performance out of.
[04:16] <gdh> fun for next week
[04:17] <TestMAD> my 3800+ rocks
[04:17] <TestMAD> got sli setup
[04:17] <TestMAD> 2 6600gt's
[04:17] <TestMAD> wish i had mone yto get 2 7800gtx's
[04:17] <gdh> my own computing needs are satiated by a web browser, an MP3 player, IRC and Kopete...
[04:18] <Frank_dot> TestMAD: I can see the reluctance in going back to i386. but all the games are 386 anyways
[04:18] <TestMAD> yea.
[04:18] <Frank_dot> Does sli work in linux?
[04:18] <TestMAD> cept farcry...with the patch
[04:18] <TestMAD> i dont think it does
[04:18] <TestMAD> not sure
[04:19] <TestMAD> the nvidia platform drivers dont mention if it supports sli
[04:19] <Frank_dot> The improvement in far cry is not that great if I remember the review I read
[04:19] <TestMAD> owell,,im just hoping that more commercial games are going to be released on +nix
[04:20] <TestMAD> hopefully developers are seeing it as a new market to tap
[04:20] <gdh> Now if only Adobe et al woud write apps for the .NET platform... :)
[04:21] <gdh> It makes sense since they can then share a single codebase for Windows + Mac, and get Linux as a freebie to sell to
[04:21] <Frank_dot> TestMAD: Well the ones that use opengl is one thing, the ones that use DirectX are pretty much stuck
[04:21] <TestMAD> more games need to be done in sdl
[04:21] <Master-Yoda> anyone here?
[04:21] <TestMAD> yea
[04:21] <gdh> No, all asleep
[04:21] <Master-Yoda> THANK GOD
[04:22] <Frank_dot> Actually once Mac gets on x86, maybe it will be easier to get linux games
[04:22] <TestMAD> sleep? whats that?
[04:22] <Master-Yoda> ok ihave a pcmia card in my laptop
[04:22] <Master-Yoda> but when i go to activate it in the cp
[04:22] <gdh> best place for it, I find.
[04:22] <Master-Yoda> it ask for root pass
[04:22] <TestMAD> i got 2 in mine
[04:22] <Master-Yoda> i gave it the right one
[04:22] <Master-Yoda> and it continues
[04:22] <Master-Yoda> but then it brings me back to the control panel home page
[04:22] <gdh> heh, known issue.
[04:23] <Master-Yoda> how do i fix this?
[04:23] <gdh> open a konsole and 'sudo kcontrol' instead
[04:23] <Master-Yoda> is there a way i can enable root login?
[04:23] <gdh> it'll probably look weird, but that's pretty irrelevant
[04:23] <seth_k> root login sucks, don't use it
[04:23] <gdh> Master-Yoda: there is but you don't need it. get over the 'login as root' thing - it'll do you good.
[04:23] <seth_k> but if you must, sudo passwd root
[04:24] <gdh> nasty stigma from years of laziness
[04:24] <Master-Yoda> even if i sudo
[04:24] <Master-Yoda> im still in as my user
[04:24] <gdh> sudo -i
[04:24] <Master-Yoda> and wont let me have root with kde
[04:24] <gdh> will give you a full rootshell
[04:24] <Master-Yoda> ok gdh, i get many errors when i type that
[04:24] <gdh> with environment and all
[04:24] <Master-Yoda> like refused bu server conntent conntect to x
[04:25] <gdh> Master-Yoda: you're probably root already- you need to 'sudo kcontrol' from a fresh user Konsole.
[04:25] <gdh> e.g. try just doing 'xlogo' to ensure you have basic X privs 
[04:25] <gdh> and then 'sudo xlogo'
[04:26] <Master-Yoda> cant open display
[04:26] <Master-Yoda> :|
[04:26] <Master-Yoda> well that stinks
[04:26] <gdh> ok let's get really shitty, then. open a fresh Konsole, and do 'xhost +local:0'
[04:26] <gdh> and try again with kcontrol
[04:26] <Master-Yoda> oh
[04:27] <Master-Yoda> in a new consol
[04:27] <Master-Yoda> zlogo works
[04:27] <Master-Yoda> :P
[04:27] <Master-Yoda> xlogo(*
[04:27] <gdh> tada
[04:27] <Master-Yoda> ok i sudo kcontrol
[04:27] <Master-Yoda> and pas
[04:27] <Master-Yoda> and konsole closed
[04:27] <Master-Yoda> meaning wrong pass?
[04:27] <Master-Yoda> oh nvm
[04:27] <Master-Yoda> it didnt close
[04:27] <Master-Yoda> :P
[04:28] <gdh> :)
[04:28] <Master-Yoda> ok users opened
[04:28] <Master-Yoda> now what
[04:28] <gdh> no idea - assumed you'd know from here :)
[04:28] <Master-Yoda> lol
[04:28] <Master-Yoda> what am i supsoe to do with this
[04:28] <Master-Yoda> lol
[04:28] <gdh> I don't have a notebook :)
[04:28] <Master-Yoda> i want root access
[04:28] <Master-Yoda> how do i enable it
[04:28] <Master-Yoda> i just wnat it 4 2 things
[04:28] <Master-Yoda> then im out?
[04:28] <gdh> you are now running the KDE Control Centre as root.
[04:28] <Master-Yoda> lol
[04:28] <Master-Yoda> yes
[04:29] <Master-Yoda> as root 4 that
[04:29] <Master-Yoda> i need the network config
[04:29] <Master-Yoda> i want the HOLE thing as root
[04:29] <Master-Yoda> how do i enable root
[04:29] <Master-Yoda> please
[04:29] <gdh> urg, use 'sudo passwd' 
[04:29] <gdh> to set a root password
[04:29] <gdh> and on your own head be it, plagues of locusts, etc.
[04:29] <Master-Yoda> lol
[04:30] <Master-Yoda> i still cant get on as root?
[04:30] <Frank_dot> raining frogs
[04:30] <gdh> you'll need to log out and in again, mostlikelt
[04:30] <Master-Yoda> k
[04:30] <gdh> so the system re-reads the shadow password file
[04:30] <Master-Yoda> when i need to disable
[04:30] <Master-Yoda> how?
[04:30] <gdh> K -> Log Out ?
[04:30] <Master-Yoda> no
[04:30] <Master-Yoda> disable root login
[04:30] <Master-Yoda> omg
[04:30] <gdh> man usermod 
[04:30] <Master-Yoda> root login not allowed
[04:30] <Master-Yoda> :|
[04:30] <Master-Yoda> !!
[04:30] <ubotu> methinks ! is what u add before a sentence to talk to me
[04:30] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[04:31] <Master-Yoda> !!!!
[04:31] <ubotu> Master-Yoda: Are you smoking crack?
[04:31] <Master-Yoda> ao?
[04:31] <Master-Yoda> im a LINUX NOOB
[04:31] <Master-Yoda> u have to talk 2 me like a baby
[04:31] <Master-Yoda> i want to login as root
[04:31] <Master-Yoda> but it wont allow me
[04:31] <Master-Yoda> i know u can set something to make it
[04:31] <gdh> nobody /wants/ to login as root =)
[04:31] <gdh> Use the forks, etc.
[04:31] <Master-Yoda> I DO
[04:31] <Master-Yoda> how do I get it.
[04:32] <Master-Yoda> I WANT root login
[04:32] <Master-Yoda> ITS MY pc IT dosnt have ITERNET i want ROOT
[04:32] <Master-Yoda> :!!!!
[04:32] <gdh> root is truly yes the work of a master, it is, no?
[04:32] <Master-Yoda> can u get that through ure head
[04:32] <Master-Yoda> i just want root
[04:32] <Master-Yoda> i know u can do it
[04:32] <Master-Yoda> how?
[04:32] <gigaclon> sudo
[04:32] <Master-Yoda> NO
[04:32] <Master-Yoda> i want to login as root
[04:32] <Master-Yoda> are u on crack?
[04:33] <Master-Yoda> no sudo, i want kde to reconizee me a ROOT - FULLY privileged user
[04:33] <gdh> Yes. we are all on crack, it's supplied free with Kubuntu. Move along, please. :)
[04:33] <Master-Yoda> ;)
[04:33] <Master-Yoda> howcome i didng get any?
[04:33] <gdh> Master-Yoda: You're at the end of the line :)
[04:33] <Master-Yoda> ok
[04:33] <Master-Yoda> guys
[04:33] <Master-Yoda> plz
[04:33] <Master-Yoda> ill leave u alone
[04:34] <Master-Yoda> how do i activate root
[04:34] <Master-Yoda> root login
[04:34] <gigaclon> best I can do is root terminal
[04:34] <gdh> already told you: 'sudo passwd' sets a root password you can then use to login with KDM at startup
[04:34] <Master-Yoda> it wont work gdh
[04:34] <Master-Yoda> i tryed
[04:34] <gdh> error message?
[04:34] <Master-Yoda> "Root login is not allowed."
[04:35] <gdh> klose any Konsole windows you have
[04:35] <Master-Yoda> k
[04:35] <gdh> open a new one from the bar on the bottom - the litlte black PC screen icon 
[04:35] <gdh> and try 'sudo passwd'
[04:35] <Master-Yoda> o.k
[04:36] <jeanluc> 04 hi
[04:37] <Master-Yoda> still no work
[04:37] <Master-Yoda> root logins are not allowed
[04:37] <gdh> Have you messed about with the "KUser" app  ?
[04:37] <Master-Yoda> yes
[04:37] <Master-Yoda> :D
[04:38] <gdh> uh huh :)
[04:38] <Master-Yoda> i changed the root pass once why
[04:38] <Master-Yoda> lol
[04:38] <Master-Yoda> and maybe something eldse
[04:38] <Master-Yoda> ;p
[04:39] <gdh> so you ran Kuser... selcted Settings -> Hide System users/ groups
[04:39] <gdh> do that again, and make sure the 'account disabled' is NOT selected.. then 'Set Password' for it
[04:39] <gdh> and Ok ok
[04:40] <Master-Yoda> gug..
[04:40] <Master-Yoda> im confused
[04:40] <Master-Yoda> command to type in konsol
[04:40] <Master-Yoda> sudo kcontrol ?
[04:40] <gdh> well, if you want to run the control centre... yes..
[04:40] <gdh> I feel we're going round in circles. :)
[04:40] <gigaclon> why do you want to login as root
[04:40] <Master-Yoda> sudo kuser
[04:41] <Master-Yoda> ok i did what u said
[04:41] <Master-Yoda> except
[04:41] <Master-Yoda> when i hide
[04:41] <Master-Yoda> ohh
[04:41] <Master-Yoda> i see
[04:41] <Master-Yoda> were is the disable login
[04:42] <gdh> double click on root
[04:42] <gdh> it's at the bottom 
[04:42] <gdh> of that window
[04:42] <Master-Yoda> its not checked ?
[04:42] <gdh> haha wow :)
[04:42] <gdh> truly the master you are, yes :)
[04:42] <Master-Yoda> err
[04:42] <Master-Yoda> whats the problem
[04:42] <Master-Yoda> why cant i logina s root
[04:42] <Master-Yoda> !!1
[04:43] <ubotu> Master-Yoda: I give up, what is it?
[04:43] <Master-Yoda> AHH!
[04:43] <gdh> Haven't a clue :)
[04:43] <Master-Yoda> lol
[04:43] <Master-Yoda> kubuntu is messed up
[04:43] <Master-Yoda> relaly
[04:43] <gdh> Yeh, I forfeit the $64,000
[04:43] <Master-Yoda> i didnt have this problem with debian.
[04:43] <Master-Yoda> u guys messed debian up :P
[04:43] <gdh> LOL :)
[04:44] <Master-Yoda> ok im going to pop
[04:44] <Master-Yoda> lol
[04:45] <Master-Yoda> yay
[04:45] <Master-Yoda> ok
[04:45] <gdh> as long as Mr. Shuttleworth pays teh bills for Ubuntu, we're happy enough :)
[04:45] <Master-Yoda> im in root via console login
[04:45] <Master-Yoda> how do i start kde
[04:45] <Master-Yoda> :
[04:45] <Master-Yoda> ;)
[04:45] <Master-Yoda> mr shuttle worth ???????? heh
[04:46] <Master-Yoda> how do i start kde ?
[04:46] <aseigo> startkde
[04:46] <aseigo> hehe
[04:46] <Master-Yoda> kde START
[04:46] <Master-Yoda> lol
[04:46] <Master-Yoda> oh u werent kidding.
[04:46] <Master-Yoda> lol
[04:46] <Master-Yoda> OMG
[04:46] <Master-Yoda> cant contact kdeinit?
[04:46] <gdh> I like to think of Ubuntu as what the Mozilla Foundation should have been ...
[04:46] <Master-Yoda> connt connect to x server
[04:46] <Master-Yoda> AHH!
[04:47] <Master-Yoda> startkde -FORCE
[04:47] <Master-Yoda> :P
[04:47] <gdh> i.e. producing real value products rather than just pissing daddy's (AOL) money away for 5 years.
[04:47] <Frank_dot> gdh: who are you talking to?
[04:47] <Master-Yoda> himself.
[04:47] <Master-Yoda> its very sad.
[04:47] <gdh> Frank_dot: Myself, mostly. :)
[04:47] <Frank_dot> lol
[04:48] <gdh> I'm going to bed in a minute, so I tend to ramble a bit at this stage =)
[04:48] <Master-Yoda> i think someone needs some coffee *cough *gdh**
[04:48] <Master-Yoda> :P
[04:48] <Master-Yoda> by gdh <3
[04:48] <gdh> haha :) I feel the love :)
[04:48] <Master-Yoda> feeel,,,, the LOVE,,, tonight-igh-ight,
[04:48] <Master-Yoda> :P
[04:50] <gdh> ok, am off- nna =)
[04:57] <TMAD> grr..i hate ghosts
[04:58] <aarcane> Help!!  I put kubuntu on my laptop, and it worked fine, then my ipod stopped working..  Now whenever I plug it in, it doesn't show up >,.,<
[04:58] <Frank_dot> aarcane: sorry, I have no idea how to help you
[04:59] <bilbrey> has anyone else run into a problem this evening updating kwifimanager? apt-get dist-upgrade reports an MD5SUM mismatch, a manual download -> dpkg sez it isn't a debian archive.
[04:59] <bilbrey> kwifimanager_3.4.0-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
[05:00] <Frank_dot> bilbrey: the us archive is having problems
[05:00] <bilbrey> okay.
[05:00] <Frank_dot> edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the "us." in front of archive everywhere
[05:01] <yoda> okok
[05:01] <yoda> hihi
[05:03] <bilbrey> Frank_dot: thanks, that appears to have done the trick. Gracias.
[05:04] <Frank_dot> no problem
[05:05] <yoda> im in my laptop now
[05:05] <yoda> just i have to setup wifi now :|
[05:05] <yoda> is there any wifi in kubuntu that im just missing alreadry
[05:10] <bilbrey> control-center -> Internet & network -> wireless network  ... yoda
[05:10] <bilbrey> brb
[05:10] <TestMAD> this is me dealing with linux..
[05:10] <TestMAD> http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/9599/klaves2dr.gif
[05:11] <Frank_dot> this animator.. I know him... henderson or something
[05:12] <TestMAD> i saw it and thought i would share..
[05:12] <TestMAD> it shows my frustration sometimes
[05:13] <yoda> curl -O ~ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Wireless/dwlg630revB/Drivers/dwlg630driver_200.zip
[05:13] <yoda> what command is this in kubuntu
[05:13] <yoda> wget right
[05:13] <gigaclon> gah
[05:14] <yoda> no?>
[05:14] <yoda> ?
[05:14] <gigaclon> im trying to download kubuntu install CD
[05:14] <gigaclon> and it stalls
[05:14] <yoda> anyone?
[05:14] <yoda> what do u use instead of curl
[05:14] <yoda> 4 kubuntu
[05:14] <bilbrey> yoda, I use wget
[05:15] <yoda> hmm
[05:17] <bilbrey> later
[05:19] <stibby> any programs for kde anyone knows dedicated at converting music formats back and forth?
[05:19] <stibby> i'm also looking for something that will convert midi to wav
[05:19] <stibby> (well, midi to any other format)
[05:20] <gigaclon> any help on kubuntu CD download stalling
[05:27] <michael> what's your specs
[05:32] <stibby> you chould use a torrent
[05:33] <stibby> should*
[05:43] <gigaclon> i did
[05:48] <Master-Yoda> [23:48]  <Master-Yoda> I got wifi to work with ndiswrapper
[05:48] <Master-Yoda> [23:48]  <Master-Yoda> is therea  way 2 make it keep my dns servers?
[05:51] <Jeezis> liba52-0.7.4 is taking FOREVER to set up...is this normal?
[05:51] <Master-Yoda> yes
[05:51] <Jeezis> ok, just want to make sure before i abort it 
[05:52] <Jeezis> thanks :)
[05:54] <Jeezis> hmm...lets say it's taking like 15 mins and really bogging down your system
[05:56] <tuxJr_14> hi
[05:57] <gigaclon> can K3B burn image files?
[06:00] <Frank_dot> gigaclon: yes
[06:13] <tiago> hi guys
[06:14] <tiago> im new to linux and ubuntu... was wondering i there are repositorys i can add to find other packages?
[06:14] <tuxJr_14> hi tiago 
[06:14] <tuxJr_14> tiago, try official deb repos
[06:15] <tiago> oh
[06:15] <tiago> im not to sure how to do it though
[06:15] <tiago> this is now my 3rd day of linux use lol
[06:15] <tiago> i want to install gaim
[06:15] <Xsecrets> tiago: what packages are you looking for?
[06:15] <tuxJr_14> they might break your system
[06:15] <tiago> but its telling me it cant get some of the needed files from the repositorys
[06:15] <tuxJr_14> for example?
[06:16] <tiago> screenshot?
[06:16] <Xsecrets> well I have enabled multiverse and universe and gaim installed just fine.
[06:16] <tuxJr_14> screenshot what?
[06:17] <tiago> Some of the packages could not be retrieved from the server(s).
[06:17] <tiago> Do you want to continue, ignoring these packages?
[06:17] <TestMAD> gotta open up universe
[06:17] <TestMAD> its commented out in the source.list
[06:17] <TestMAD> err..sources.list
[06:18] <tuxJr_14> tiago, paste the full text on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[06:18] <Xsecrets> oh that's probably the problem with the use mirrors. did you get something about an md5 sum problem?
[06:18] <tiago> thats the fulll texy
[06:18] <tuxJr_14> from the begining?
[06:18] <tiago> yeah i think i did get some thing aboout an md5 problem
[06:18] <TestMAD> link was blank
[06:19] <tiago> so the mirrors are broken?
[06:19] <Frank_dot> yeah the us mirror is
[06:19] <Frank_dot> edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the "us." in front of archive everywhere
[06:19] <tiago> :S im not even in the us
[06:19] <Xsecrets> yeah I'm not sure the details, but saw something in a google search said change the us to uk and it fixed it right up for me.
[06:19] <Frank_dot> tiago: well check your sources.list anyways
[06:20] <tiago> ok cool
[06:21] <tiago> yeah there all us
[06:21] <Frank_dot> there's your problem
[06:21] <tiago> should i remove the us all together, replace it with uk or replace it with au?
[06:21] <Frank_dot> both should work I think
[06:22] <tiago> omg... im starting to see a patern emerging.... terrorists use linux...
[06:22] <Frank_dot> what?
[06:22] <tiago> never mind
[06:22] <Frank_dot> terrorists are also pirates! so they must use windows!
[06:22] <tiago> if you dident laugh the first time you wont get it if i explain :P
[06:23] <tiago> yes but they get pissed off about repositors so the blow up the us and uk
[06:23] <tiago> oh ad the english were pirets not the errorists
[06:24] <Frank_dot> well the rest of the commonwealth didn't follow... I'm from Canada
[06:24] <tiago> canada is cool
[06:24] <tiago> i had a gf from canada... her accent was so hot
[06:24] <Frank_dot> so are the aussies
[06:24] <tiago> and she dident say "eh" or "aboot"
[06:25] <tiago> yeah im in australaia
[06:25] <tiago> im not much into aussie girls
[06:25] <tiago> if you lived here for 15 years you wouldent be ether
[06:25] <Frank_dot> You should see Montreal!
[06:25] <Frank_dot> spectaculat in the summer
[06:26] <tiago> i would love to go there one summer... lol but i havent seen snow since i was 3 years old lol
[06:27] <Frank_dot> I saw this guy play the didgeridoo is the subway...
[06:27] <tuxJr_14> i've  never seen snow
[06:27] <Frank_dot> I see snow 6 months of the year
[06:27] <tiago> lol have you been to australia Frank_dot ?
[06:27] <Frank_dot> nope
[06:28] <Frank_dot> never been to the southern hemisphere
[06:28] <tiago> melborune is a very nice city
[06:28] <tiago> thats where i live... it got voted the most livable city int he world
[06:28] <tiago> very good night life
[06:28] <tiago> its alot like canada here... except the wather... but people here are very easy going and relaxed lol
[06:28] <Frank_dot> Montreal is only 2nd to New York for number of clubs and bars in North America
[06:29] <tiago> wow
[06:29] <Frank_dot> I've lived here for 2 years
[06:29] <tiago> hey bro the au server thing worked like a treat
[06:30] <tuxJr_14> anyone got the 6th harry potter?
[06:30] <tiago> but it still came up with the same problem...
[06:30] <Frank_dot> tiago: great!
[06:30] <Frank_dot> oh
[06:31] <TestMAD> are they commented out?
[06:31] <tiago> and its to fast for me to see what server its downloading off
[06:31] <tiago> nah there not
[06:31] <TestMAD> make sure you got all of the lines changed
[06:31] <TestMAD> theres 2 at the top i missed
[06:31] <tuxJr_14> can you paste your sources.list somewhere?
[06:32] <tiago> pm?
[06:32] <tuxJr_14> nope
[06:32] <tuxJr_14> on the paste bin
[06:32] <tiago> lol pm is so much simpler lol
[06:32] <TestMAD> link pls
[06:32] <tiago> you can allways close the convo after :P
[06:32] <TestMAD> or just pm them to me
[06:32] <tiago> but if you insiste
[06:33] <tuxJr_14> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[06:33] <tiago> lol i dont even know how to pm with this lol
[06:33] <tiago> im used to x-chat
[06:33] <Frank_dot> I know a Tiago, he's portuguese originally 
[06:33] <tuxJr_14> just paste it, man!
[06:34] <tiago> im portuguese to
[06:34] <tiago> **
[06:34] <tiago> ^^
[06:34] <tiago> but i live in australia for 15 years
[06:34] <tiago> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/613
[06:35] <TestMAD> line 19 and 30
[06:35] <TestMAD> uncomment and change to uk
[06:35] <TestMAD> or au
[06:35] <TestMAD> err..20
[06:35] <TestMAD> 19 aand 20
[06:35] <Frank_dot> commented
[06:35] <tiago> arnt they commented out?
[06:36] <TestMAD> nope
[06:36] <tiago> thats what i thought so i left them
[06:36] <TestMAD> remove the #
[06:36] <tiago> oh ok
[06:36] <tiago> should i change them all to uk?
[06:36] <Frank_dot> yeah, not us
[06:36] <tiago> au or uk?
[06:36] <tiago> i live in au...
[06:37] <tuxJr_14> wb jayparadise 
[06:38] <tiago> yay no error this time
[06:38] <arcanistherogue> Hey did anyone else order those CDs?
[06:38] <TestMAD> knew he missed something..cus i did same thing yesterday
[06:38] <tuxJr_14> which cds?
[06:38] <arcanistherogue> the Ubuntu ones
[06:38] <arcanistherogue> i ordered them in May
[06:38] <arcanistherogue> they haven't came yet...
[06:39] <tiago> thanx guys
[06:39] <tuxJr_14> arcanistherogue, i ordered them in march. rcvd last month
[06:39] <arcanistherogue> hmm
[06:39] <tiago> im starting to grow warmer to ubuntu
[06:40] <arcanistherogue> oh i love kubuntu
[06:40] <arcanistherogue> im on it now
[06:40] <tiago> i was using mepis yesterday... my first linux ever
[06:40] <arcanistherogue> anyway, i just want these discs... i use up many blank ones on data, i need to stop urning linux isos
[06:40] <arcanistherogue> your first time?
[06:40] <tiago> but when i herd about kbuntu with lde 3.4 and xorg i had to get it
[06:41] <arcanistherogue> my first time using linux was in May, Ubuntu
[06:41] <arcanistherogue> I used Gnome up until 2 weeks ago
[06:41] <Frank_dot> yeah I used Ubuntu for a while but then switched to kubuntu
[06:41] <tiago> kde*
[06:41] <arcanistherogue> yeah
[06:41] <arcanistherogue> I love KDE, it looks bueatiful
[06:41] <tiago> i like kde
[06:41] <tiago> yeah me too
[06:41] <tiago> especialy with xorg
[06:41] <arcanistherogue> i don't like GNOME because i think it looks ugly :/
[06:41] <tiago> shadowy goodnessess
[06:42] <Frank_dot> My problem with gnome was nautilus
[06:42] <tiago> and fading and transperancys^^
[06:42] <arcanistherogue> Yeah my desktop is awesome.  I have transparent tinted panels, and one at the top
[06:42] <arcanistherogue> yup
[06:42] <arcanistherogue> fading rules
[06:42] <tiago> w00t!
[06:42] <arcanistherogue> and i got nifty icons off Deviant Art for my panel  at the top... my desktop is like a reverse OS X one
[06:42] <tiago> im hungry lol i just woke up and this is the first thing i dont allday
[06:42] <arcanistherogue> really?
[06:43] <arcanistherogue> its almost 1 here
[06:43] <arcanistherogue> AM
[06:43] <Frank_dot> almost 1am here
[06:43] <arcanistherogue> same
[06:43] <tiago> ots 2:43pm here
[06:43] <tiago> its*
[06:43] <Frank_dot> where from ? arcanistherogue 
[06:43] <arcanistherogue> Connecticut
[06:43] <arcanistherogue> darn, can you order Kubuntu cds?
[06:43] <Frank_dot> Montreal here
[06:43] <arcanistherogue> aw man...
[06:43] <Frank_dot> I don't know
[06:44] <arcanistherogue> whats the difference between the 32 bit ubuntu and the 64 bit one?
[06:44] <tiago> where do i find the w32 codecs?
[06:45] <arcanistherogue> like mp3s?
[06:45] <Frank_dot> arcanistherogue: 32 bit: MUCH easier with 32 buit programs like flash and a bit slower than 64bit but not really noticable
[06:45] <Frank_dot> tiago: in hoary-extras
[06:45] <tiago> cool
[06:46] <tiago> where is that?
[06:46] <Frank_dot> deb ftp://ftp2.caliu.info/backports/ hoary-backports main universe
[06:46] <arcanistherogue> i ordered 10 32 bit cds and 2 64 bit
[06:46] <Frank_dot> deb ftp://ftp2.caliu.info/backports/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse
[06:46] <stibby> http://web.archive.org/web/20040927034145/http://ubuntulinux.org/
[06:46] <arcanistherogue> i think i might order like 50 more when these ones come <_<
[06:46] <Frank_dot> arcanistherogue: why do you need 50?
[06:46] <tiago> Frank_dot: do i add that to my sources?
[06:46] <Frank_dot> yep
[06:47] <arcanistherogue> Because >_>
[06:47] <arcanistherogue> Its free
[06:47] <arcanistherogue> and they are all official
[06:47] <arcanistherogue> with the little group of people
[06:48] <arcanistherogue> hey, i need help iinstalling this nvidia glx thing
[06:48] <arcanistherogue> it always has an error when i try to get them in kynaptic
[06:48] <Frank_dot> did you install the package?
[06:48] <arcanistherogue> lemme try it right now to tell you the exact error
[06:48] <tiago> is kde 3.4.1 avalible for upgrade from the repositorys?
[06:49] <Frank_dot> arcanistherogue: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the "us." in front of archive everywhere
[06:49] <Frank_dot> probably that's your problem
[06:49] <Frank_dot> tiago: maybe from backports
[06:49] <arcanistherogue> the us.archive.ubuntu?
[06:49] <arcanistherogue> i remove the us. part
[06:50] <arcanistherogue> right?
[06:50] <Frank_dot> tiago: but I would suggest staying with basic hoary for something like kde
[06:50] <Frank_dot> arcanistherogue: yeah the us archive is broken
[06:50] <arcanistherogue> oh
[06:50] <arcanistherogue> ok
[06:50] <tiago> Frank_dot: why is that?
[06:50] <arcanistherogue> what in the crap... i cant edit this
[06:51] <arcanistherogue> oh stupid me im in konqueror
[06:51] <arcanistherogue> lemme try in kate
[06:51] <tiago> what are the wmv codecs called?
[06:51] <Frank_dot> tiago: well all of the packages are made for the basic ubuntu hoary
[06:51] <seth_k> w32codecs, tiago 
[06:51] <tiago> thanx seth_k 
[06:52] <Frank_dot> arcanistherogue: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:52] <tiago> hmmm it dosent find them...
[06:52] <seth_k> they're in backports, in hoary-extras
[06:53] <tiago> deb ftp://ftp2.caliu.info/backports/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse
[06:53] <tiago> ????
[06:53] <Frank_dot> tiago: yeah you have to update after saving
[06:53] <tiago> im sure i did
[06:53] <tiago> ill try again
[06:53] <arcanistherogue> wow, thanks, that did the trick!@
[06:53] <arcanistherogue> off to play some games now, thanks alot
[06:54] <Frank_dot> arcanistherogue: no problem
[06:56] <seth_k> tiago: you forgot restricted
[06:56] <seth_k> tiago: and that's where w32codecs is
[06:56] <seth_k> deb ftp://ftp2.caliu.info/backports/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[06:57] <Frank_dot> seth_k: that's right I had installed w32codecs from marillat
[06:58] <Frank_dot> forgot about that
[06:58] <tiago> thanx alot seth_k and Frank_dot 
[06:59] <Frank_dot> np
[07:00] <seth_k> no worries
[07:00] <seth_k> LOL
[07:00] <seth_k> night
[07:00] <tiago> night bro
[07:03] <kakalto> hello #kubuntu
[07:04] <kakalto> :)
[07:04] <otep> lo
[07:05] <kakalto> I'm liking dvorak keyboard layout.
[07:15] <monkh4x> kakalto, how long have u used it?
[07:16] <kakalto> i started this morning
[07:16] <stibby> your doing a pretty good job then :)
[07:16] <monkh4x> no doubt, is it easy to get used to?
[07:17] <kakalto> I'm still quite slow, but I'm learning
[07:17] <kakalto> sorta
[07:18] <tiago> does any one know why gaim isent skined under my ubuntu? it was skined under mepis also running kde...
[07:18] <venda> African greetings
[07:19] <monkh4x> greetings
[07:19] <kakalto> greetings :)
[07:19] <stibby> how do i find out my local ip? i remember on dos it was "ipconfig"
[07:20] <monkh4x> stibby, /sbin/ifconfig
[07:22] <stibby> thankyou
[07:23] <monkh4x> np
[07:25] <tiago> guys is there any safe way to write to ntfs?
[07:26] <tiago> becouse my downloads parition is in ntfs... and i wana use p2p under linux as well... but there is no point if i can only access the downloads under linux
[07:28] <tiago> A newly discovered and as-of-yet unpatched security vulnerability in Windows XP could let an attacker remotely crash computers.
[07:28] <stibby> is it possible to use samba in that way?
[07:28] <tiago> lol
[07:30] <kakalto> stibby, that would require something with write support to act as a server, wouldn't it?
[07:30] <stibby> it could be possible to do it from computer to computer, but i'm not sure about one hard drive
[07:30] <stibby> so probably not
[07:35] <kakalto> it's only possible between 2 computers because one runs windows, which has write support for ntfs
[07:37] <stibby> i don't think linux currently has ntfs write support
[07:39] <monkh4x> here is something that may answer your q http://bisqwit.iki.fi/story/howto/ntfs/
[07:40] <kakalto> it does but it's experimental
[07:42] <kakalto> no creation of files allowed
[07:45] <monkh4x> has anyone tried running ubuntu under a virtual machine
[07:45] <monkh4x> ?
[07:47] <monkh4x> under == in
[07:49] <kakalto> monkh4x, nah, since the vm software I have runs under ubuntu :P
[07:50] <kakalto> under == in
[07:50] <kakalto> :P
[07:50] <monkh4x> lol
[08:01] <dell500> can anyone here help me with lm-sensors to work with superkaramba/kde-look?
[08:01] <whoiam> someone please help me installing firefox on Kubuntu 
[10:07] <tiago> hi guys
[10:07] <tiago> how do i make directory using konsole?
[10:09] <jpowers> mkdir
[10:09] <jpowers> mkdir [directoryname] 
[10:11] <jpowers> tiago: did that work for you?
[10:32] <xxenon> kword
[10:32] <xxenon> koffice (lib kofficecore): ERROR: Couldn't find the native MimeType in kword's desktop file. Check your installation !
[10:32] <xxenon> any clue ?
[10:36] <Bubbling_Zombie> xxenon, i'm not on kde at the moment, but take a look at this : http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-kde/2003-Dec/0115.html
[12:56] <RossH> hello all
[01:03] <Mez> yhello RossH 
[01:23] <RossH> why did ubuntu have to chose gnome :-
[01:23] <RossH> :-(
[01:30] <fromoze> RossH because they wanted something to work-on :D
[01:30] <fromoze> RossH and because kde is may too 'independent' and strong by it self ;)
[01:31] <fromoze> RossH just stupid answers, don't believe them xD lol
[01:32] <wincide> RossH: kubuntu exists
[01:33] <RossH> ya I know....I'm torn what to switch to...makes me sad both fedora and ubuntu both chose gnome
[01:33] <RossH> and to bad suse 9.3 wouldn't work with my nvidia graphics card
[01:35] <wincide> ubuntu chosed gnome but kubuntu kde .. decide by yourself ...
[01:50] <torz> mmmm damn I need some help here. I just reassembled my PC and booted the OS (everything is fine). But Kubuntu tells me it cant initialize sound because /dev/dsp doesnt exist
[01:50] <torz> before I took the PC apart everything was running fine... what on earth is this dsp error about?
[01:53] <fromoze> have you change your soudcard?
[01:53] <torz> nope
[01:53] <torz> I'll plug the card out and plug it back
[01:53] <torz> damn I hate opening boxes!!!
[01:53] <fromoze> you didn't change any piece os hardware?
[01:53] <torz> not at all
[01:53] <fromoze> in the same pci?
[01:53] <torz> fromoze: I dont think its the same PCI, thats what I'm suspecting too.
[01:54] <torz> hence opening up the box which I hate doing
[01:54] <fromoze> torz: do a lspci and see if the soundcard is there.
[01:54] <torz> yep, I'll do it as soon as the os loads
[01:55] <torz> I just swapped the slots then
[01:55] <fromoze> you're not on it?
[01:55] <torz> nah I have a real computer. Its called a Mac ;~)
[01:55] <torz> heh
[01:56] <fromoze> well. I've a real deskto, it's called KDE :P
[01:56] <torz> haha
[01:56] <fromoze> mac won't be too differenf from my amd64 in a year xD
[01:56] <torz> I'm very impressed with KDE.
[01:57] <buz> save for some eyecandy, i'm more impressed with kde than aqua
[01:57] <torz> yeah Im a little upset, my AMD64 mobo arrived DOA.
[01:57] <torz> wont even POST with bare minimum, sent it back on thursday
[01:57] <fromoze> I'll try to get a ppc mac next year... a little powerbook will be too cool xD
[01:57] <buz> my athlon64 died after 3 weeks :(
[01:57] <torz> ppc mac? heh nah Intel Macs ;p
[01:57] <buz> now i'm on a noisy as crap athlon xp again
[01:58] <torz> okay interesting, it aint complaining anymore
[01:58] <fromoze> Intel mac will came on June2006... I hope soldes on ppc mac :D
[01:58] <fromoze> I supposed it'll be like that
[01:59] <fromoze> I was thinking about askint you to restart to let autoconfig to find your soundcard again :)
[02:01] <torz> mmm its not fixed :p
[02:01] <fromoze> no?
[02:01] <fromoze> :@
[02:01] <torz> nup
[02:02] <fromoze> wich problem you get now?
[02:02] <torz> the same
[02:02] <torz> I get the same problem in kcontrol
[02:02] <torz> when I select the audio device to ALSA it says it doesnt know /dev/dsp
[02:02] <torz> same with any options for that matter, even autodetect
[02:03] <fromoze> but
[02:03] <fromoze> you get sound?
[02:03] <fromoze> open a terminal and exec alsamixer
[02:03] <torz> no sound
[02:04] <fromoze> do you get the same error? what soundcard do you have?
[02:04] <torz> mmm the terminal kind of dissapeared!
[02:04] <torz> heh
[02:04] <torz> mmm this soundcard is something historic
[02:05] <torz> it seems to not be appearing in lspci
[02:05] <torz> ill try another slot :p
[02:05] <fromoze> if it isn't on lspci... it could be son hardware
[02:06] <fromoze> problem
[02:06] <torz> yeah it could be fried
[02:06] <torz> although I doubt it, I'm quite a cautious guy
[02:06] <fromoze> may be you need to push more 
[02:06] <torz> satisfy the lady eh, sure :~)
[02:06] <fromoze> may be some rubbish in the pci?
[02:06] <torz> ill blow on it then
[02:07] <fromoze> if it's an old motherboard the pci can fail :/ I see it before
[02:08] <torz> yep this thing is historic!
[02:08] <torz> I assembled this machine because the mobo for my new system arrived DOA.
[02:08] <torz> this is my router.
[02:08] <torz> P3 550MHz
[02:08] <fromoze> I see
[02:08] <fromoze> Isn't really historic xD
[02:09] <torz> heh not quite old school Alpha eh
[02:09] <fromoze> I'll try to regenerate an p166 next september ;)
[02:09] <torz> ha
[02:09] <torz> K6
[02:10] <fromoze> but may be I just bet for a p733 on Cash Converter xD
[02:11] <fromoze> Actually we've a k6-2 as router... but the owner let us, then we need something 'new' 
[02:11] <torz> ha
[02:11] <torz> k6 is good enough for softrouter
[02:11] <torz> I think
[02:11] <RossH> decisions decisions...fedora, ubuntu, kubuntu
[02:11] <fromoze> RossH KUBUNTU!
[02:11] <fromoze> xD
[02:11] <fromoze> Wich cpu? 
[02:12] <torz> you didnt take Gentoo into account?
[02:12] <fromoze> RossH: I've try in June Suse, Slamd64 and Fedora... after that I return to kubuntu :)
[02:12] <torz> I used to use FC, FC2, FC3, then FC4.
[02:13] <torz> then I wanted to use something good with KDE so I now run Kubuntu.
[02:13] <RossH> I've used suse, slackware, freebsd, kubuntu, ubuntu, fedora, solaris, etc.
[02:13] <fromoze> Gentoo is cool! But, you need time to play with the computer... I stop using gentoo because I was always trying bleeding-edge stuff and I needed to study a little more 
[02:13] <torz> although I could have gone with SuSE, another distro superb with KDE :~)
[02:14] <RossH> I'm just worried that kubuntu might not have the community support like ubuntu
[02:14] <fromoze> Fedora sucks for KDE :/
[02:14] <torz> yep
[02:14] <torz> it does indeed
[02:14] <RossH> torz: suse 9.3 pro wouldn't play nice with my nvidia graphics card
[02:14] <buz> RossH: most stuff is supplied by ubuntu
[02:14] <fromoze> RossH: Kubuntu community is cooler xD
[02:14] <torz> Fedora and KDE just doesnt do it
[02:14] <fromoze> why not?
[02:14] <buz> kde is very well supported by kubuntu
[02:14] <RossH> it would install and the screen would just go black...
[02:14] <Bubbling_Zombie> RossH, there aren't that many differences, except the graphical interface
[02:14] <torz> Fedora is so biased towards Gnome
[02:15] <fromoze> I see someone says to uses yast on fedora, and people says it was a stupid option... is better KDE users need gtk-gnome administration apps..
[02:15] <RossH> torz: which is sad...i wish they would have gone with the force instead of the dark side....gnome just doesn't seem....to be honest as good
[02:15] <torz> Gnome isnt too bad
[02:15] <torz> KDE is just better
[02:15] <fromoze> but isn't as good xD
[02:15] <RossH> i have never really liked it's layout
[02:16] <RossH> i just thought KDE has a much nicer layout
[02:16] <fromoze> RossH: did you make upgrades against european ftp's on Suse?
[02:17] <torz> I used to be a Blackbox/Fluxbox guy but I got over them
[02:17] <RossH> fromoze: it would never get that far...I have a suse 9.0 pro cd set right here
[02:17] <torz> the obsession only lasted for a month or so
[02:17] <RossH> one thing ubuntu needs to work on is its installer *shudder*
[02:17] <Bubbling_Zombie> why is that RossH ?
[02:18] <RossH> because...it's installer may be all good for the users of linux but for grandma who needs a pretty point and click interface will be disharted
[02:18] <torz> the sound server hates me i tell you
[02:18] <OculusAquilae> RossH: I like the installer
[02:19] <fromoze> I was a fvwm-crystal fan with KDE-apps inside... but Ubuntu shows me the nice Gnome and the Nautilus-spatial (i really like it!) and I've been using Gnome for some months.. but I finally come back to KDE once I started to need to work on my computer xD
[02:19] <OculusAquilae> it don't needs much time to load usw.
[02:19] <torz> apt-get install *whatever* <- how hard is that? heh
[02:19] <OculusAquilae> I
[02:19] <RossH> I'm talking about the actual install
[02:19] <torz> rpm -i package.rpm  <- how hard is that :p
[02:19] <torz> oh right
[02:19] <torz> wait, dont you just put the install CD in and let it do its job???
[02:20] <torz> thats what I remember doing
[02:20] <RossH> again...you guys need to remember that the idea of ubuntu is to have a system that can be installed and used by anyone
[02:21] <Fraeon> It is?
[02:21] <othernoob> RossH: so can any other linux distro..
[02:21] <torz> I think its fairly straight forward
[02:21] <othernoob> except slackware and gentoo i think
[02:21] <fromoze> RossH in ubuntu installer there's an option call: Just let me do! :)
[02:21] <Fraeon> I thought it was only for people who know how to make their own programs
[02:21] <torz> if you just want to listen to music, word process, and play videos.
[02:21] <torz> oh and surfing the net
[02:21] <fromoze> Grandme would be happy to get all she need working without uses the mouse or keyboard ;)
[02:21] <Fraeon> torz: Well, games too if you don't want to play retail games
[02:22] <OculusAquilae> RossH: i don't think that a graphical installer would be simpliere
[02:22] <torz> mmmm Wine
[02:22] <othernoob> OculusAquilae: you're quite right, just look at the Fedora Core installer
[02:22] <torz> I mean installing Kubuntu is just the same as installing Windows imo
[02:22] <torz> same with Fedora Core series
[02:22] <RossH> I wonder why ubuntu didn't just give you the option to go with kde or gnome....hmm..
[02:22] <othernoob> torz: you're wrong.
[02:23] <asdasd> hey 
[02:23] <asdasd> does kde kiosk working very well on my gnome ?
[02:23] <othernoob> torz: with the ubuntu installation you have no choice whatsoever, besides partitioning. the FC installer lets you choose.
[02:23] <asdasd> my server using ubuntu and the client kubuntu ?
[02:23] <asdasd> down anyone know about it
[02:23] <torz> othernoob: mmm quite true.
[02:23] <fromoze> RossH In the next releases it will be a graphical installer, but I tell you'll stay on ncurses one once you need to do more than 3 installations :)
[02:24] <RossH> is there any way to install kubuntu on a drive that has a windows partition? The entire drive is a window partition...
[02:24] <fromoze> RossH with ncurses installe I can say you all the things you need to write :)
[02:24] <asdasd> any listen to me ?
[02:24] <fromoze> asdasd?
[02:24] <othernoob> red_flower: i doubt anyone understood what you want ;)
[02:25] <red_flower> doh
[02:25] <red_flower> hmm okay
[02:25] <red_flower> do you know kiosk right ?
[02:25] <red_flower> a cyber cafe software
[02:25] <torz> hmmm my sound card may be fried
[02:25] <RossH> anyone know if what i asked can be done?
[02:25] <red_flower> it's working fine on gnome or not ?
[02:26] <fromoze> I don't use windows, but many people have win-kubuntu working...
[02:26] <othernoob> RossH: you'll have to repartition it
[02:26] <fromoze> red_flower I dunno, sorry
[02:27] <RossH> meaning I will have to wipe all the windows data?
[02:27] <red_flower> doh
[02:27] <red_flower> :)
[02:27] <red_flower> nope
[02:27] <red_flower> i will ask google
[02:27] <torz> yeah same I dont use Win either. Although I have a 10GB drive with Windows, just to run Dev-C=+.
[02:27] <buz> i think you can run firefox as kisok no?
[02:27] <othernoob> RossH: not neccessarily, partition magic can resize the windows partition. 
[02:27] <torz> C++ that is
[02:27] <buz> qtparted supposedly can resize it too?
[02:28] <othernoob> iirc, yes buz
[02:28] <buz> and ther should be a bootable edition of that somewhered, using qt embedded
[02:28] <fromoze> yeah, buz, there's something, I don't remember where, but I see it :/
[02:29] <torz> damn, wtf is this /dev/dsp business
[02:29] <torz> my soundserver is starting to piss me off
[02:30] <fromoze> if you don't see the soundcard on lspci, the problem starts on the kernel
[02:30] <buz> i think http://www.sysresccd.org/ has qtparted on it
[02:30] <buz> and qtparted is sweet
[02:30] <fromoze> if it's there it didn't reconice it
[02:31] <fromoze> torz: try to see on the Bios if the soundcard is there.
[02:31] <fromoze> some bios says about pci components; most no :/
[02:32] <fromoze> I must cook something, I'm getting really hungry. See you.
[02:38] <torz> woohoo my headphones made a static sound!
[02:38] <torz> better than nothing
[02:39] <othernoob> you're easily pleased aren't you :p
[02:40] <torz> heh
[02:41] <torz> othernoob: heh dont worry I'm pissed again. Kubuntu froze on me just then
[02:41] <othernoob> lol
[02:41] <torz> when I chose ALSA in kcontrol
[02:51] <torz> oh my f*** god
[02:52] <buz> what
[02:53] <torz> my soundcard started working as soon as I plugged the ethernet card in
[02:53] <torz> very random
[02:53] <buz> that is rather weird
[02:53] <buz> but could be some interrupt sharing thing
[02:53] <torz> or maybe they were in love
[02:55] <torz> computers are so weird
[02:56] <buz> mhh i couldnt ever decide who's weirder, computers or women
[02:56] <torz> woman
[02:56] <torz> computers complain very often but woman complain even more
[02:57] <buz> computers at least come with manuals ;)
[02:57] <torz> but a well setup computers dont complain much ;)
[02:57] <torz> but there is no such thing as a well tamed woman :)
[02:57] <buz> mhh there is
[02:57] <buz> it needs a very well backed amex platinum for starters
[02:57] <torz> heh
[02:58] <torz> I dont like Amex
[02:58] <buz> only bad thing is they arent as widely accepted as visa
[02:58] <buz> so i carry both  ;)
[02:59] <buz> mhh i downloaded the thunderbird tarball from mozila.org
[02:59] <buz> but for some reason, it won't pick up my profile???
[02:59] <buz> (firefox did so, no problem whatsoever)
[03:00] <torz> I dont know eh, I think I prefer kmail  over thunderbird
[03:00] <buz> mhh if the spamfilter was halfway sane i might use kmail
[03:00] <buz> the current state of affairs is unusable
[03:03] <Pro_Newbie> Can someone help me with Kopete
[03:04] <torz> Pro_Newbie: top nick :~)
[03:04] <torz> whats the problem?
[03:07] <SoPaR_SaVaR> hi
[03:07] <SoPaR_SaVaR> my name is deli
[03:07] <torz> whats up deli
[03:07] <SoPaR_SaVaR> do you speak turkish
[03:07] <torz> negative
[03:08] <SoPaR_SaVaR> uzman sory 
[03:08] <torz> mm mm mmmmm sava
[03:08] <SoPaR_SaVaR> hng?
[03:08] <torz> bonjour
[03:09] <SoPaR_SaVaR> bonjour 
[03:09] <SoPaR_SaVaR> yes please
[03:09] <SoPaR_SaVaR> da pajalusta
[03:09] <torz> why do you need someone that can speak turkish? may as well practice your english here
[03:09] <SoPaR_SaVaR> alomn alom
[03:09] <SoPaR_SaVaR> ha ok
[03:09] <SoPaR_SaVaR> what?
[03:10] <torz> no one cares if its shit grammar as long as caps lock is off :~)
[03:10] <Mez> torz, watch your language
[03:10] <SoPaR_SaVaR> ne diyon lan trke bilen yokmu burada
[03:11] <torz> Mez: haha sorry ;~)
[03:11] <Mez> SoPaR_SaVaR, this is an english channel
[03:12] <SoPaR_SaVaR> mez where are you turkish channel
[03:12] <SoPaR_SaVaR>  am speaking little english
[03:12] <SoPaR_SaVaR> :)
[03:13] <Mez>  #ubuntu-tr
[03:13] <SoPaR_SaVaR> thank you 
[03:13] <SoPaR_SaVaR> mez what are you doing man
[03:14] <Mez> I'm coding
[03:14] <SoPaR_SaVaR> 'am electrik teknoloj
[03:23] <dutch> crimsun: got a minute ?
[03:31] <hapo> is there a netinstall .iso for kubuntu?
[03:32] <pc8> hum
[03:34] <buz> i dont think so
[03:41] <Mez> hapo: no, but if you already have linux, I can point you to a netinstall kernel for ubuntu, and isntructions on how to install kubuntu stuff on uuntu
[03:41] <Mez> ubuntu*
[03:42] <hapo> i'm running fedora.
[03:56] <jel> hi all, how can i install kdevelop? its not listed in kynaptic and i get 'couldn't find package' when i use the command 'sudo apt-get install kdevelop'
[03:59] <other|study> jel: you'll need to update your sources.list
[03:59] <jel> how do i do that?, apt-get update?
 I wonder if you could apply the wiki concept on significant others
[04:01] <other|study> jel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[04:09] <jel> thanks mate
[04:10] <Mez> other|study, please use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto instead
[04:11] <other|study> Mez: does it matter? besides, that's a guide for gnome
[04:11] <Mez> other|study, because I've just deleted that one :D
[04:12] <other|study> Mez: that may be a good reason ;)
[04:12] <other|study> Mez: but how are newbies going to learn linux if everything is graphical?
[04:13] <Mez> other|study, and how are you going to get newbies to use it if things arent graphical
[04:13] <Mez> if you want a KDE version, use http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/swmgmt.html#h2add
[04:13] <mikl> d'oh, I got one those semi-broken versions of X before I saw the topic on #ubuntu :(
[04:13] <Mez> lol
[04:14] <mikl> yeah, now my keyboard-layouts are blowing in the wind :)
[04:17] <other|study> Mez: from your point of view, that kde version should be deleted as well heh
[04:18] <TestMAD> hi all
[04:18] <Mez> other|study, no, I deleted that version because the guy went against what I'd asked him to do, and I didnt see the point of 2 pages on the wiki, when there was one perfectly good one (that the guy had already worke don)
[04:19] <Mez> the aim of the NewUSerGuide is to link to current documentation
[04:20] <other|study> we definitely have different opinions...
[04:21] <Mez> other|study, well, I know how I want the NUG run :D
[04:23] <other|study> instead of that wiki, that documentation on it should come with the installation..if by all means newbies have to be touched with gloves.. 
[04:24] <uniq> it will i breezy.
[04:24] <uniq> http://lnix.net/~froud/
[04:26] <uniq> http://lnix.net/~froud/kuserguide/C/pt08.html
[04:27] <other|study> lol "Graphical Installer: A must have or we're struck" good one..
[04:27] <other|study> yes indeed..colours attract..
[04:28] <other|study> maybe some choice during installation would rather be a "must have or we're struck"
[04:32] <other|study> the entire concept of backporting should be worked on as well, because it lacks common sense ;)
[04:33] <TestMAD> what you mean by ..if by all means newbies have to be touched with gloves.. 
[04:34] <other|study> TestMAD: well, how did you interpret it ;)
[04:34] <TestMAD> apparently the wrong way
[04:34] <TestMAD> heh
[04:37] <TestMAD> do the nvidia drivers support sli?
[04:37] <TestMAD> i dont think they do..but wanna be sure
[04:37] <other|study> TestMAD: i meant, if it's too much asked of a newbie to show some interest and learn something. ie usage of the cli.
[04:38] <TestMAD> ok
[04:38] <TestMAD> im a newbie and learned some stuff already and ill ive done is install on vmware.
[04:38] <TestMAD> gonna do a real install today.
[04:39] <TestMAD> but am going to need help
[04:39] <other|study> with
[04:39] <TestMAD> getting doom3, moh, cod, and some other games to install
[04:39] <TestMAD> for the wife and kids
[04:39] <TestMAD> and me
[04:39] <TestMAD> gonna dual boot for other stuff
[04:40] <TestMAD> but i need someone thats been using a linux for a while to help me out from the beginning.
[04:40] <other|study> afaik, they're all supported by cedega..more or less.. and there's a linux version of doom3
[04:40] <TestMAD> since im dual booting and limited on hd space
[04:40] <other|study> how much hdd?
[04:40] <TestMAD> well..there's natives for all of those games i metioned
[04:41] <other|study> << i barely play.
[04:41] <TestMAD> well. i got an 80g, a 20g and a 12g
[04:41] <other|study> and you're limited???
[04:41] <TestMAD> yea.
[04:41] <other|study> how?
[04:41] <TestMAD> well..i wanna have kubuntu as promary os
[04:42] <TestMAD> and dual boot for CS2 Flash stuff and a few games.
[04:42] <TestMAD> the rest is all linux stuff
[04:42] <other|study> and you're limited with 100gb??
[04:42] <TestMAD> so i have to consider needs for both systems
[04:42] <gdh> aren't games like that about 15-20G each?
[04:42] <other|study> must be quite a few games ;)
[04:42] <TestMAD> also. i need to make sure that i mount a few partitions on boot.
[04:43] <TestMAD> specificly my video and audio drives
[04:43] <TestMAD> those will be ntfs of course.
[04:43] <other|study> of course..
[04:43] <other|study> so you'll only want to have read access
[04:43] <TestMAD> im unfortunately still tied to M$
[04:44] <TestMAD> read access is fine.
[04:44] <other|study> MS isn't that bad..
[04:44] <TestMAD> no its not.
[04:44] <other|study> it's just not that good either ;)
[04:44] <TestMAD> but if adobe wised up..i would be very happy
[04:44] <TestMAD> and if more games were done in opengl or sdl
[04:44] <TestMAD> that would be even better
[04:45] <TestMAD> i have no issues with M$ for the most part.
[04:45] <TestMAD> but im now in fear of longhorn
[04:45] <other|study> why
[04:45] <TestMAD> some of the stuff thier implementing.
[04:45] <other|study> it's not like you're forced to upgrade to longhorn
[04:46] <TestMAD> HDCP or something like that will be awfull.
[04:46] <TestMAD> alot of ppl with LCD's right now are gonan be pissed when they upgrade to longhorn and they find out they need to buy a new LCD
[04:47] <TestMAD> especially vid editors like me
[04:47] <yoz> hi geeks.. I'm trying to install gimp with apt.. but I get the following errors: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/slang/slang1_1.4.9dbs-8_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[04:47] <TestMAD> the us archive is broken
[04:47] <other|study> yoz: hi newb, don't use the us archives
[04:47] <other|study> yoz: use ca, uk, fi, de, or something else instead
[04:48] <TestMAD> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:48] <TestMAD> and change us. to uk.
[04:48] <other|study> but that's not the GRAPHICAL way :O
[04:48] <TestMAD> owell.
[04:48] <yoz> oh didn't know about that.. does .at exist actually?
[04:48] <other|study> see what i mean..
[04:48] <OculusAquilae> ALT+F2 "kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[04:48] <OculusAquilae> :-)
[04:48] <TestMAD> well.. i just learned something new
[04:49] <OculusAquilae> my won't work
[04:49] <other|study> OculusAquilae: doesn't kate have problems sudoing?
[04:49] <yoz> OculusAquilae: thanls alot. ;)
[04:49] <other|study> yoz. at exists btw..
[04:50] <OculusAquilae> yoz: you must use kate as root with you password, which you can configure in the dialog at ALT+F2
[04:51] <OculusAquilae> yoz: at more
[04:51] <OculusAquilae> or how it is called in english
[04:51] <TestMAD> does anyone know if the nvidia linux drivers support sli?
[04:52] <yoz> OculusAquilae: thanks.. just fixed.
[04:52] <OculusAquilae> TestMad: no, they don't support it
[04:52] <OculusAquilae> yet :-)
[04:52] <TestMAD> both driver sets dont?
[04:52] <TestMAD> ubuntu's and nvidias?
[04:52] <OculusAquilae> TestMAD: i think so
[04:52] <TestMAD> sux
[04:53] <OculusAquilae> it's nvidia that sux
[04:53] <TestMAD> y?
[04:53] <OculusAquilae> they don't code this feature :-)
[04:53] <TestMAD> oh..yea
[04:54] <OculusAquilae> but they are better then ati :-)
[04:54] <TestMAD> what sux is that they dont GPL thier linux drivers
[04:54] <TestMAD> would be nice to install kubuntu and have it werk
[04:54] <other|study> why should everything be gpled?
[04:55] <TestMAD> well..it would be nice to have the drivers avialable with distro
[04:55] <Xsecrets__> because Richard Stalman says so ;)
[04:55] <OculusAquilae> Xsecrets__ :-)
[04:55] <other|study> Xsecrets__: lol
[04:55] <OculusAquilae> so, i'll go now
[04:55] <OculusAquilae> cu
[04:55] <other|study> cya
[04:55] <TestMAD> bye
[05:03] <TestMAD> im afraid to do this..
[05:03] <TestMAD> heh
[05:05] <gigaclon> I can't install libpango
[05:06] <gigaclon> MD5 mismatch
[05:06] <TestMAD> ok?
[05:09] <gigaclon> can anyone help me?
[05:09] <gigaclon> !repositories
[05:09] <ubotu> from memory, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:12] <fromoze> aha... that's a bot?? ubotu is a bot?
[05:12] <fromoze> !beer
[05:12] <ubotu> fromoze: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[05:12] <fromoze> ok, I understand... xD
[05:13] <gigaclon> I keep getting MD5 mismatchs when downloading libpango
[05:14] <fromoze> apt-get update or look at your sources  beginig: us. or fr. ...
[05:19] <gigaclon> how to save in vi?
[05:19] <Xsecrets__> esc :wq
[05:20] <Xsecrets__> you may want to run vimtutor to learn more
[05:20] <gigaclon> that didn't work
[05:21] <gigaclon> ok
[05:21] <Xsecrets__> were you trying to edit something you didn't have write privaleges for?
[05:21] <gigaclon> I didn't do the :
[05:21] <Xsecrets__> ahh
[05:23] <eolo> which address i have to add to apt's sourcelist to install java runtime environment?
[05:25] <other|study> eolo: a working mirror from http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/java-linux-d2.html
[05:25] <gigaclon> there a way to change Konversation's tab notification?
[05:25] <other|study> or just get the java deb from sun.com
[05:26] <sotyri> sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[05:26] <sotyri> java -version
[05:26] <TestMAD> whats a good linux newsgroup program?
[05:26] <sotyri> sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[05:26] <sotyri> java -version
[05:26] <sotyri> this is for you eolo
[05:26] <gigaclon> right now it lights a small light on new text in a channel
[05:27] <gigaclon> it is possible to turn the tab text colors on new text in channel?
[05:28] <eolo> thanks guys
[05:28] <sotyri> what client are you using
[05:28] <sotyri> ?
[05:28] <gigaclon> Konversation
[05:30] <Xsecrets__> Konversation
[05:33] <fromoze> Konversation
[05:33] <other|study> fromoze: are the french repos screwed too?
[05:33] <fromoze> I don't know :/
[05:34] <fromoze> I use es. :D
[05:34] <other|study> heh.. then why did you say what you said 20 minutes ago?
[05:34] <fromoze> I say it waiting to the answer to say gigaclon to try different ones :D
[05:35] <other|study> yea but you also asked about fr...
[05:36] <fromoze> My english-skills are may be too low...  
[05:36] <other|study> that's ok
[05:36] <fromoze> I just asked for his option.
[05:37] <fromoze> I read my comment and it's really confusing... sorry :$
[05:37] <other|study> :)
[05:37] <fromoze> but we're here to learn... some spanish classes? xD
[05:38] <other|study> lol
[05:38] <other|study> well, if you're offering ;)
[05:38] <fromoze> ask for some interesting words! xD
[05:39] <other|study> interesting words..heh.. i don't even know any in my language :/
[05:39] <fromoze> beer--> cerveza; pression beer --> caa ... 
[05:40] <other|study> beer is good :)
[05:40] <fromoze> wine --> vino! v
[05:44] <Fraeon> cedega --> champagne
[05:44] <TestMAD> un cerveza por favor
[05:44] <fromoze> TestMAD: bad option!
[05:45] <TestMAD> hehe.
[05:45] <fromoze> una cerveza y un pincho por favor!
[05:45] <other|study> pincho?
[05:45] <TestMAD> peanuts?
[05:45] <other|study> woman?
[05:45] <TestMAD> guy?
[05:45] <other|study> hope not?
[05:45] <TestMAD> hehe
[05:45] <TestMAD> same here
[05:46] <fromoze> pincho: something solid to take with bear: peanuts, tortilla, chips...
[05:46] <TestMAD> i was right
[05:46] <TestMAD> yea
[05:46] <fromoze> croquetas, bombas, palometas
[05:47] <other|study> i was wrong :(
[05:47] <fromoze> you wasn't wrong... 
[05:48] <TestMAD> in a kinky way he wasnt wrong
[05:49] <TestMAD> lol
[05:49] <other|study> lol
[05:49] <TestMAD> course thats how most men like thier women..with beer
[05:49] <other|study> any set release date for breezy yet?
[05:49] <fromoze> isn't really polite to ask for a pincho to a woman... but she'll understand xD
[05:50] <fromoze> pincho literally is a pic 
[05:51] <other|study> fromoze: elaborate on spanish women ;)
[05:52] <fromoze> :P
[05:52] <TestMAD> i need a good newsgroup app for kubuntu
[05:52] <buz> binary or text?
[05:52] <TestMAD> both
[05:52] <buz> klibido is quite acceptable for binary, as for text, there are many
[05:53] <TestMAD> i was just lookin at kilibido
[05:53] <TestMAD> support for nzb?
[05:53] <buz> should have as of a few months
[05:54] <TestMAD> ok
[05:54] <TestMAD> kewl
[05:54] <fromoze> Are there women in this channel?
[05:54] <TestMAD> trying to limit the reason i have for dual booting
[05:54] <other|study> sometimes, sometimes not
[05:55] <fromoze> nice
[05:55] <TestMAD> my wife was yesterday
[05:55] <TestMAD> we're both trying to get into linux.
[05:55] <fromoze> I'd like to see a sexual normalization on free-software communities..
[05:56] <TestMAD> so would every other linux geek thats stuck to his pc
[05:56] <TestMAD> lool
[05:56] <fromoze> well don't misunderstand me :P
[05:57] <other|study> why are you and your wife converting to linux TestMAD 
[05:57] <other|study> fromoze: of course not :p
[05:57] <other|study> fromoze: you just want a pincho ;)
[05:57] <TestMAD> well.
[05:57] <fromoze> xD
[05:57] <fromoze> you're so bad with me :'(
[05:57] <TestMAD> she hates the way windows looks
[05:58] <TestMAD> likes the way kde looks.
[05:58] <other|study> fromoze: lol :)
[05:58] <TestMAD> she installed litestep and a kde theme to get what she wanted
[05:58] <TestMAD> and i said y not go the whole way
[05:58] <TestMAD> and she said ok
[05:59] <other|study> TestMAD: i see.
[05:59] <TestMAD> besides..linux needs more support from the home user base
[05:59] <other|study> women..weird..
[05:59] <TestMAD> as more home users use linux more software will be ported
[05:59] <eolo> always problem with java runtime
[05:59] <TestMAD> and thats always a good thing
[06:00] <other|study> sure is
[06:00] <eolo> i can't find the address of the repository; ihave an amd64 !!!!!!
[06:00] <eolo> for java
[06:00] <TestMAD> adobe is my one affliction
[06:00] <TestMAD> gotta have CS2. it pays the bills
[06:00] <buz> better to get a win or mac box then
[06:01] <TestMAD> ehh..i only have a CS2 job like 2 or 3 times a month.
[06:01] <TestMAD> and i usually finish in about 3 days
[06:01] <TestMAD> rest of the time i would be in linnux
[06:01] <TestMAD> so dual booting is ok
[06:02] <TestMAD> it would just be nice to to dual boot
[06:02] <TestMAD> i could always get crossover office tho
[06:02] <TestMAD> that woudl fix my problem
[06:02] <other|study> eolo: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp how difficult can it be.. you don't depend on the repos.
[06:03] <TestMAD> does crossover have a free cvs?
[06:03] <other|study> eolo: besides that, i gave you a site with mirrors of java for linux earlier
[06:03] <_gdh> eolo: apt-get install java-package, download the binary from the URL other|study posted, and 'make-jpkg jre-1.5...blablabla.bin'
[06:03] <_gdh> eolo: that will make a nice .deb for you :)
[06:05] <eolo> you gave me but there's not a version for amd64
[06:05] <other|study> eolo: there is.
[06:05] <other|study> eolo: just for your information, the java for amd64 is still not completely ported.
[06:06] <TestMAD> so how should i partition up this 80,20 and 12 gig for use with ubuntu and winxp?
[06:06] <eolo> and what happens if i install it
[06:08] <other|study> you'll have the JRE 1.5.0.4 but the java plugin and java webstart aren't available yet
[06:08] <other|study> for amd64
[06:08] <seth_k> TestMAD: 15GB apiece for the OSes, 1GB for swap, and the rest a big datadrive on FAT32?
[06:08] <TestMAD> hmm..
[06:09] <other|study> depends TestMAD, how much do you need for windows?
[06:09] <TestMAD> fat32 would hold windows and linux apps?
[06:09] <sotyri> I have a question:
[06:10] <sotyri> i have 2 computer, one with the connesion DSL and Windows xp such as operative system, and antoehrone, with Kubuntu and in network with the first
[06:10] <other|study> i'd just use the 12GB for windows, the 20GB for linux, and partition the 80 into a 65/15, 65 linux, 15 fat32 for windows+linux
[06:11] <sotyri> how can i share the file on  widows to KUBUNTU?
[06:11] <TestMAD> yea..that sounds nice
[06:11] <other|study> TestMAD: but it solely depends on how much you need for each OS 
[06:13] <other|study> TestMAD: i have a 45 and a 120. the 45 split into 20/25, 20 for XP, 25 split into 200mb /boot, 2gb swap 22gb /, 120 for /home
[06:13] <TestMAD> the 12gig is slow
[06:14] <fromoze> sotyri: you can use samba
[06:14] <TestMAD> i was thinking of 20 for kubuntu, then 60 for share, and 20 for xp
[06:15] <other|study> TestMAD: and the xp is fat32, the rest ext3
[06:15] <fromoze> or if it's just files, ftp :)
[06:15] <seth_k> you don't want /home on a FAT32 partition, because your permissions will get screwed up
[06:15] <TestMAD> right
[06:15] <TestMAD> well..xp will be used for some games..my son like halo alot.
[06:15] <jeanluc> thats all I use windows for
[06:15] <jeanluc> gaming
[06:16] <TestMAD> and ill use it for CS2
[06:16] <jeanluc> photoshop
[06:16] <jeanluc> or counter stirke?
[06:16] <TestMAD> yea
[06:16] <TestMAD> PS
[06:16] <jeanluc> :P
[06:16] <jeanluc> I use wine for that
[06:16] <other|study> TestMAD: 20 GB should be enough then i suppose
[06:16] <TestMAD> dont like CS
[06:16] <jeanluc> I never really leared to use gimp
[06:16] <TestMAD> ok.now then. the data drive.
[06:17] <TestMAD> faat32?
[06:17] <TestMAD> that way i can share data between linux and xp
[06:17] <other|study> TestMAD: you could format the 12gb one as fat32. that way xp would have more and could be shared
[06:19] <TestMAD> yea.
[06:19] <TestMAD> so give the whole 80 to linux then the 20 and 12 to xp
[06:19] <other|study> TestMAD: sounds good. and the 20 and the 12 as fat32 
[06:19] <TestMAD> ok.
[06:20] <TestMAD> linux does read/write of fat32?
[06:20] <other|study> yes, fully supported
[06:20] <TestMAD> k..that sounds the way to go then
[06:20] <TestMAD> what nvidia drivers for ubunto should i use?
[06:21] <other|study> i dont know.. <<ati
[06:21] <seth_k> sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx
[06:21] <TestMAD> heh
[06:21] <TestMAD> well i didnt know if the ubuntu ones or the nvidia 7667 ones were better
[06:22] <TestMAD> er..i should say more stable
[06:22] <seth_k> oh
[06:22] <seth_k> I discourage installing the official nVidia ones, since you can't package-manage them
[06:22] <seth_k> but if you have a newer card, they will work better
[06:22] <TestMAD> 6600gt
[06:23] <seth_k> yeah, the 7667 would give you more fps probably, but I hear they are kind of unstable
[06:23] <TestMAD> thats what i heard too
[06:23] <seth_k> imo, use hoary drivers now, wait for breezy, which will have the latest and greatest
[06:23] <TestMAD> so i wasnt to sure
[06:23] <TestMAD> whens breezy?
[06:24] <other|study> sometime around in october
[06:24] <TestMAD> cool..so not too far away
[06:24] <TestMAD> whats the console irc app?
[06:24] <other|study> irssi ?
[06:24] <TestMAD> ok
[06:24] <TestMAD> im gonna have to use it
[06:24] <other|study> why
[06:25] <TestMAD> since i wont get desktop
[06:25] <other|study> heh?
[06:25] <TestMAD> nvidia drivers
[06:25] <TestMAD> they dont install
[06:25] <TestMAD> so i dont get a desktop up
[06:26] <TestMAD> i have to ctrl alt f1 to console
[06:26] <TestMAD> and install them
[06:27] <TestMAD> well..time to convert ntfs to fat32
[06:27] <TestMAD> eeeww..
[06:27] <TestMAD> i hope all my data will be good afterwards
[06:30] <TestMAD> i got too much stuff on the pc.
[06:31] <TestMAD> time to break out the dvdr's
[06:46] <stibby> how do you mount a drive if you have two scsi drives? how would it know which drive "sda2" was on?
[06:54] <jjesse> reload kubututu and trying to do an apt-get dist-upgrade and i'm get getting an erro about a MD5Sum mismatch?
[06:54] <seth_k> stibby: sd => removable media, A => first drive, 2 => second partition
[06:55] <seth_k> jjesse: US archive is messed up
[06:55] <jjesse> so what should i do?
[06:55] <seth_k> jjesse: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:55] <seth_k> change all "http://us.archive.ubuntu..." to "http://archive.ubuntu..."
[06:55] <seth_k> basically remove the "us."
[06:55] <seth_k> then save, reload, and upgrade
[06:56] <jjesse> the lastest version of kde is 3.4 correct?
[06:56] <seth_k> no
[06:56] <seth_k> 3.4.1, and you can find the sources lines by clicking that link in /topic
[07:02] <seth_k> jjesse: you just installed a fresh Kubuntu?
[07:02] <seth_k> from the CD?
[07:02] <jjesse> yup
[07:03] <seth_k> can you check kcontrol -> Desktop -> Window Behavior : "Move" Tab > [ ]  Allow moving and resizing of maximized windows
[07:03] <seth_k> is it checked or unchecked by default
[07:03] <jjesse> unchecked
[07:04] <seth_k> right, thanks
[07:04] <Frank_dot> is kde 3.4.1 worth it? any problems?
[07:05] <seth_k> none, it's just bugfixes
[07:05] <seth_k> imo very worth it, it fixes some nasty issues
[07:05] <jjesse> y
[07:05] <hussam> Riddell: are you there?
[07:05] <Frank_dot> ok great like what?
[07:05] <seth_k> especially the one where you can't edit stuff in kcontrol because every time you input the root password, it sends you back to kcontrol home
[07:05] <seth_k> also the konqueror crashes
[07:06] <hussam> seth_k: are you a kde developer?
[07:06] <TestMAD> so what version of kde somes with kubuntu?
[07:06] <seth_k> 3.4, TestMAD 
[07:06] <TestMAD> ahh.
[07:06] <seth_k> 3.4.1 is available for supported download from the Kubuntu devs. So you don't have to be afraid of upgrading, it's been tested and is supported.
[07:07] <seth_k> hussam: I develop for KDE, but am not a KDE developer :P
[07:08] <seth_k> e.g. I work on things that have to do with KDE, but not officially, and not for KDE
[07:08] <hussam> seth_k:I'm facing this bug in kde 3.4.1 It was fixed in branch a coupkle of days ago. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106922
[07:09] <hussam> seth_k: can we have the fix for http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106922 for kubuntu's kde 3.4.1?
[07:09] <Frank_dot> what package takes care of everything for kde 3.4.1?
[07:09] <seth_k> hussam: no fixes will get backported to hoary. Breezy comes out in October and will include that fix (and KDE 3.5)
[07:10] <seth_k> Frank_dot: see /topic for the link about KDE 3.4.1, then add the sources found there, and do an upgrade
[07:10] <hussam> seth_k: oh so we won't get kde 3.4.2?
[07:10] <Frank_dot> seth_k: upgrade, right
[07:11] <seth_k> hussam: if there is one, the Kubuntu devs will probably go for it. But if not, you'll have to wait until Breezy.
[07:11] <seth_k> hussam: you might ask in #kubuntu-devel where the devs hang out
[07:12] <hussam> ok, I thought kde 3.4.1 was supoported with fixes. I should have probably stayed with kde 34.0 then.
[07:12] <Riddell> hussam: hi
[07:13] <hussam> Riddell: I submitted https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12096
[07:13] <mikl> apt keeps complaining about not beeing able to upgrade my kernel - how do I fix that?
[07:13] <hussam> Riddell: It's a dupe of http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106922
[07:14] <hussam> Riddell: but  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106922 has been fixed, can we get this fix for kde 3.4.1 on kubuntu?
[07:14] <Riddell> hussam: I'll take a look
[07:15] <Riddell> hussam: poke me if I don't get back on it
[07:15] <hussam> Riddell: Ok thank you. :)
[07:17] <seth_k> Riddell: btw, what's the procedure for applying for editbugs? I've submitted some and confirmed some and patched a couple... wouldn't use it a whole lot, but would be nice to mark the occasional dupe or invalid.
[07:18] <Riddell> seth_k: you can confirm but you can't mark as dupe?
[07:18] <seth_k> Riddell: that's right
[07:18] <Riddell> seth_k: weird.  not sure what the procedure is, best ask in ubuntu-devel
[07:19] <seth_k> alright, thanks Riddell.
[07:20] <TestMAD> is it wise to have linux and xp on the same drive?
[07:20] <seth_k> yeah, no worries there. I do it all the time
[07:20] <TestMAD> k.
[07:20] <mikl> please, somebody help me fix this problem: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/1125
[07:21] <LoKiT0> seth_k hello
[07:21] <seth_k> hi LoKiT0 
[07:21] <LoKiT0> i was reading your lines , thanks i just did it too
[07:21] <seth_k> mikl: what happens if you force-install the kernel?
[07:21] <seth_k> just did what too, LoKiT0? :)
[07:22] <LoKiT0> upgrading to kde 3.4.1
[07:22] <seth_k> ah, good show
[07:22] <LoKiT0> but i having problems editing .list
[07:22] <LoKiT0> i don`t know how to use sudo
[07:22] <TestMAD> how should i go about partioning this drive?
[07:23] <seth_k> to edit sources.list, run the command:
[07:23] <seth_k> kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:23] <TestMAD> i want 70 at the front for kubuntu and 10 at the end for xp
[07:23] <seth_k> TestMAD: can you be destructive? blow away all data on it?
[07:23] <TestMAD> yea
[07:23] <seth_k> okay, then you should just partition during the install
[07:23] <seth_k> choose a manual partition
[07:23] <TestMAD> ok.
[07:23] <seth_k> however, you should install Windows first
[07:23] <TestMAD> ok?
[07:24] <LoKiT0> i got it
[07:24] <LoKiT0> lol
[07:24] <seth_k> because Windows doesn't play nice with Linux already on a drive
[07:24] <seth_k> it'll wipe out Grub
[07:24] <TestMAD> hehe
[07:24] <TestMAD> k
[07:24] <seth_k> XP?
[07:24] <TestMAD> yea
[07:24] <TestMAD> xp64
[07:24] <seth_k> rock
[07:24] <mikl> seth_k: apt goes into an infinite loop :(
[07:24] <seth_k> okay, it includes a partitioner too
[07:24] <seth_k> so I would wipe the drive with it
[07:24] <seth_k> make a 10GB part for Windows
[07:24] <mikl> or, it stops after x iterations or so :)
[07:25] <seth_k> and maybe 5GB FAT for a share point
[07:25] <seth_k> then leave the rest unpartitioned
[07:25] <seth_k> then when installing Kubuntu, choose "use unpartitioned space"
[07:25] <seth_k> and it will make your swap partition etc.
[07:25] <TestMAD> got a 20gig for share
[07:25] <mikl> seth_k: it keeps repeating the stuff about beeing unable to create initrd image
[07:25] <seth_k> okay, word
[07:26] <TestMAD> thnx..bbl..gonna start this now
[07:26] <seth_k> mikl: you are using Hoary?
[07:26] <mikl> seth_k: breezy, currently, but I had the same problem on hoary
[07:26] <seth_k> mikl: okay. Just wondering since you were using that .12 kernel
[07:27] <seth_k> and you really have an smp system?
[07:27] <mikl> no, I have a ht system, however :)
[07:28] <seth_k> right
[07:28] <seth_k> okay, let's see your /etc/fstab. Something is there is wrong
[07:28] <seth_k> *in there
[07:29] <mikl> seth_k: ok, I've updated the posting wth my fstab: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/1125
[07:30] <seth_k> you are missing a pass on /dev/hda2
[07:30] <seth_k> dunno if that would do anything
[07:30] <hussam> ok bye folks
[07:30] <seth_k> er, no you aren't
[07:30] <seth_k> i'm blind
[07:30] <seth_k> or pastebin wraps, rather
[07:30] <mikl> ah, I thought not :)
[07:31] <seth_k> okay, every page i'm pulling up on this error suggests that your root partition has changed addresses, and your fstab hasn't been updated
[07:31] <seth_k> are you sure that hda2 is your root partition?
[07:31] <mikl> pretty sure, since the system boots with that fstab
[07:32] <seth_k> nope, it boots because of /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:32] <seth_k> that's what I thought too
[07:33] <seth_k> but apparently you can get away with having the wrong root in fstab
[07:33] <seth_k> if your grub settings are right
[07:33] <seth_k> UNTIL you run a mkinitrd
[07:33] <mikl> okay, I'll check
[07:34] <mikl> now, that's odd
[07:35] <mikl> seth_k: my root-partition is in fact hdb1
[07:35] <seth_k> word
[07:35] <mikl> that "might" be the cause of the problem :)
[07:36] <mikl> I never knew that it was possible to boot with an erraneous fstab
[07:37] <seth_k> b/c grub is responsible for mounting your boot partition
[07:37] <seth_k> s/boot/root
[07:37] <mikl> ah, well. Thank you :)
[07:37] <seth_k> glad I could help :)
[07:37] <seth_k> have a good day
[07:38] <mikl> ah, you too
[07:56] <LoKiT0> seth_k i got now 
[07:56] <seth_k> great
[07:56] <LoKiT0> just do a restart 
[07:57] <LoKiT0> i don`t have to edit the X conf?
[07:57] <seth_k> if you just upgraded KDE, just sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart is enough methinks
[07:57] <fromoze> crtl+shit+backspace :)
[07:57] <LoKiT0> ok 
[07:57] <LoKiT0> brb
[07:57] <fromoze> kdm will be restarted to
[07:58] <seth_k> he's gonna come back and have been working on his doctoral thesis :P
[07:58] <seth_k> which is now gone
[07:58] <dooglio> wow, i like that Twisted Pastebin
[07:58] <dooglio> nicely done
[07:59] <seth_k> well, your computer did not explode it appears
[07:59] <LoKiTo> lol
[08:00] <LoKiTo> is good 
[08:00] <LoKiTo> but the resolution 
[08:00] <LoKiTo> is horible
[08:00] <fromoze> fromoze's way isn't too much dangerous xD
[08:00] <seth_k> do you have an intel chipset?
[08:00] <LoKiTo> nvidia
[08:00] <seth_k> @ LoKiTo 
[08:00] <seth_k> mmkay
[08:00] <seth_k> has your resolution ever worked?
[08:00] <LoKiTo> yes it was at 1600
[08:00] <seth_k> until just now?
[08:01] <LoKiTo> before the restart
[08:01] <seth_k> heh
[08:01] <seth_k> sweet
[08:01] <LoKiTo> now at
[08:01] <seth_k> kdesu kwrite /etc/X11/xorg.conf and make sure your Monitor has HorizSync and VertRefresh lines
[08:01] <LoKiTo> 640
[08:01] <seth_k> or whatever they're called nowadays
[08:01] <LoKiTo> lol
[08:01] <LoKiTo> ok
[08:01] <LoKiTo> i remember that , fedora gave me that too
[08:02] <LoKiTo> wow i did got my monitor info
[08:03] <LoKiTo> but like you say no horiz lines
[08:03] <seth_k> what monitor do you have? model # too, please
[08:04] <LoKiTo> im reading the info on the web
[08:04] <LoKiTo> Horizontal scan range
[08:04] <LoKiTo>   30 kHz to 107 kHz (automatic)
[08:04] <LoKiTo> Vertical scan range
[08:04] <LoKiTo>   48 Hz to 120 Hz
[08:05] <seth_k> righto
[08:05] <seth_k> so stuff those in
[08:05] <seth_k> HorizSync 30-107
[08:05] <seth_k> VertRefresh 48-120
[08:05] <seth_k> they go in the Monitor section
[08:06] <LoKiTo> 	Monitor		"DELL P991"
[08:06] <LoKiTo> 	DefaultDepth	24
[08:06] <LoKiTo> ok
[08:07] <LoKiTo> brb
[08:09] <jpatrick> Othernoob
[08:09] <jpatrick> :P
[08:10] <lokito> uff
[08:10] <lokito> lol
[08:10] <lokito> scary
[08:11] <lokito> din`t work 
[08:11] <lokito> din`t even start at all , so i have to remember the path you gave me 
[08:11] <lokito> to
[08:11] <lokito> edit 
[08:11] <lokito> the file again
[08:11] <seth_k> haha ouch
[08:11] <lokito> and remove
[08:11] <lokito> the lines
[08:11] <seth_k> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is probably your next step then
[08:11] <lokito> lol
[08:12] <seth_k> KDE isn't at fault here, you must have changed something else since the last time you rebooted
[08:12] <lokito> maybe i din`t put those lines
[08:12] <lokito> the way other are
[08:12] <lokito> cuz other lines
[08:12] <lokito> got .
[08:12] <lokito> and sings
[08:13] <lokito> you think if i download and install
[08:13] <lokito> the nvidia drivers
[08:13] <lokito> should work
[08:14] <fromoze> the fromoze's way to get the nvidia drivers is: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable :)
[08:14] <lokito> nice
[08:14] <lokito> Let me see
[08:14] <lokito> thanks
[08:17] <dooglio> you also need to select the "restricted" driver stuff for nvidia drivers
[08:17] <lokito> brb
[08:18] <dooglio> they just don't work on my laptop :/
[08:19] <lokito> ok nvidia is working
[08:19] <lokito> got the wallpaper at start
[08:19] <lokito> but still the same reso
[08:21] <dooglio> the only nvidia driver that worked for me was version 6111
[08:21] <dooglio> the others don't work
[08:21] <dooglio> but I had to add a special modeline to get full resolution for me
[08:21] <dooglio> because I have an XGA (1280x800)
[08:23] <lokito> can you paste your lines here
[08:23] <lokito> and tell me where and after what you put then
[08:23] <lokito> your vertical and horizon lines
[08:24] <dooglio> lokito: sure
[08:24] <dooglio> hang on
[08:25] <dooglio> It
[08:25] <dooglio> seems that apache/mod_proxy is bypassing the ssl encryption and is answering
[08:25] <dooglio> rats
[08:25] <dooglio> 	Modeline	"1280x800@60" 83.91 1280 1312 1624 1656 800 816 824 841
[08:26] <dooglio> this is my full xorg.conf file:
[08:26] <dooglio> http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/1126
[08:26] <dooglio> but this is the software "nv" driver
[08:26] <dooglio> for the most part, you should be able to just replace the "nv" line with "nvidia"
[08:27] <jeanluc> well
[08:27] <jeanluc> HELLO
[08:28] <jeanluc> MY FIREJNDS
[08:28] <dooglio> salut jeanluc
[08:28] <testmad> seth_k: you available?
[08:28] <dooglio> lokito: did that help?
[08:29] <lokito> im gonna let you know in 1 min
[08:29] <lokito> brb
[08:30] <lokito> niceeeeeeeeeeeeee
[08:30] <lokito> thank you very much sr
[08:32] <dooglio> nice!
[08:32] <dooglio> glad it worked
[08:32] <dooglio> modelines are your friend
[08:32] <lokito> i can see that
[08:32] <lokito> this distro is way better than fedora
[08:33] <explode> what group allows sudo?
[08:33] <explode> the group sudo wont allow it
[08:41] <dooglio> lokito: I agree
[08:42] <dooglio> i like this distro better than Debian too, for desktop machines
[08:42] <fromoze> explode: visudo
[08:43] <explode> adduser: The group `visudo' does not exist
[08:43] <fromoze> explode: the sudo group doesn't exist, may be add users to admin and then use visudo
[08:43] <fromoze> explode: sudo visudo :)
[08:43] <explode> my user cant sudo
[08:43] <explode> how do i allow him
[08:44] <fromoze> isn't the first user you create?
[08:44] <fromoze> only the first user can admin the system
[08:44] <explode> 'works
[08:44] <explode> 'worwell
[08:44] <explode> i deleted the user
[08:44] <explode> by accedent
[08:44] <explode> and cant login as root.
[08:44] <explode> lol
[08:44] <fromoze> how did you delect him?
[08:45] <fromoze> are you sure you do it? 
[08:45] <fromoze> try: su username
[08:45] <explode> i did
[08:45] <explode> im positive
[08:45] <explode> i didnt know it was taht user
[08:45] <explode> and i deleted him
[08:46] <explode> and now im on another users acount
[08:46] <testmad_> grrr...irssi sux or something
[08:46] <explode> craeted a user via root login and terminole
[08:46] <explode> lolo
[08:46] <explode> anyways
[08:46] <explode> what group do i need to add this user to make him the admin?
[08:46] <fromoze> have you the live cd?
[08:46] <explode> no
[08:46] <explode> i have internet and the cd
[08:46] <explode> :P
[08:46] <explode> its ok
[08:46] <explode> i have it controleeed
[08:46] <fromoze> visudo is a program to add user to sudo
[08:46] <explode> i can do what i ned :P
[08:47] <explode> he has sudo
[08:47] <testmad_> can any one help me install nvidia drivers?
[08:47] <explode> i added himt o admin group
[08:47] <explode> testmad
[08:47] <explode> nvidia has drivers 4 lkinux
[08:47] <explode> and instruction
[08:47] <explode> try apt-get install nvidia
[08:47] <fromoze> exect visudo please explode 
[08:48] <testmad_> ok..im stuck in console
[08:48] <fromoze> then go to the last line
[08:48] <testmad_> and newbie
[08:48] <fromoze> testmad_: "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" and then restart x's
[08:49] <testmad_> ok..is there a way to install the ones from nvidias website from console?
[08:49] <testmad_> i need the grfx drivers and platform drivers
[08:49] <fromoze> the onves from nvidia? download it, stop kdm exec the installer and restart kdm
[08:50] <testmad_> hehe..can it be done from console?? texxt based browsing??
[08:50] <fromoze> yea, use links
[08:50] <testmad_> ??
[08:50] <kinfo> what?
[08:51] <fromoze> apt-get install links, then links www.nvidia..com and browse ;)
[08:51] <testmad_> ok..
[08:51] <explode> wowowoowowo
[08:51] <explode> cooool
[08:51] <fromoze> explode: it's ok?
[08:52] <explode> yes
[08:52] <explode> 'lol
[08:52] <explode> whats links do
[08:52] <explode> :P
[08:52] <fromoze> is a text based browser
[08:52] <explode> wow
[08:52] <explode> coool
[08:52] <explode> ::||
[08:52] <explode> lol
[08:52] <buz> is there any useable wysiwyg html editor besides nvu for linux?
[08:53] <explode> USE MOZILLA!
[08:53] <explode> nvu rocks.
[08:53] <buz> it produces broken code
[08:53] <explode> buz use wine to install dreamweaver
[08:53] <explode> :P
[08:53] <buz> and knows jack shit about css, reall
[08:53] <explode> openoffice can
[08:53] <fromoze> quanta plus :)
[08:53] <buz> +y
[08:53] <gdh_> buz: Quanta?
[08:53] <buz> quanta's VPE mode only shows me a white screen???
[08:53] <gdh_> Buz: yeh, I never had much luck with it :)
[08:54] <buz> VPL sorry
[08:54] <gdh_> and dreamweaver doesn't run on Wine
[08:54] <explode> it does gdh
[08:54] <gdh_> not MX 2004 anyway
[08:54] <explode> my freind hsa it running.
[08:54] <explode> mx 2004
[08:54] <buz> doesn't really matter which one
[08:54] <buz> the newer ones are all basically the same
[08:54] <gdh_> explode: he should document how he did it, then :)
[08:54] <explode> ok
[08:54] <testmad_> does links use gui??
[08:54] <explode> he is lazy :P
[08:54] <buz> and i need it mostly to get a rough idea how the site was built
[08:54] <testmad_> or is it all text based?
[08:54] <fromoze> testmad_: np
[08:55] <fromoze> testmad_: all text based
[08:55] <testmad_> then y i get a blank screen?
[08:55] <explode> dude
[08:55] <explode> links
[08:55] <fromoze> did you do links www.nvidia.com?
[08:55] <explode> tahts cool
[08:55] <explode> exept no images
[08:55] <explode> lol
[08:56] <testmad_> no..just links..sorry
[08:56] <testmad_> how do i exit it?
[08:56] <explode> um
[08:56] <explode> ctrl c
[08:56] <fromoze> explode: try w3m :)
[08:56] <explode> w3m?
[08:56] <fromoze> try
[08:56] <explode> what is the diffrence with that :P
[08:56] <explode> what is it
[08:56] <fromoze> on the konsole
[08:57] <explode> AHH!
[08:57] <explode> :P
[08:57] <explode> wow
[08:57] <explode> nice
[08:57] <explode> colorful
[08:57] <explode> :P
[08:57] <gdh_> I find w3m a little more intuituve for text-based browsing... 
[08:57] <gdh_> testmad_: does F10 give you a menu?
[08:58] <explode> can the isp tell what u are loking at
[08:58] <explode> i can barely
[08:58] <explode> lol
[09:00] <testmad_> i got the driver
[09:00] <explode> nono
[09:00] <explode> ..
[09:00] <_michael> I downloaded a Theme Manager theme from kde-look.org and opened my theme manager and clicked install theme - the theme showed up but withou preview. When I clicked apply it didn't change anything. What am I doing wrong?
[09:00] <explode> can my isp tell im at google.com
[09:00] <explode> because it looks like tezxt
[09:00] <explode> lol
[09:00] <testmad_> now..where did it put it?
[09:00] <explode> OMG I FROGT
[09:00] <explode> i got to change themes
[09:00] <explode> lol
[09:01] <explode> um
[09:01] <explode> i cant install firefox!!
[09:01] <explode> package system wont let it install
[09:01] <jpatrick> why not?
[09:01] <explode> omg what do i ever do?
[09:01] <explode> :P
[09:01] <jpatrick> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[09:02] <explode> yes
[09:02] <explode> i know
[09:02] <explode> but iw ant to kynaptic it
[09:02] <explode> i wan tot fix kynamtic anyways
[09:02] <jpatrick> just get the konsole out
[09:03] <jpatrick> I'm getting Breezy right now
[09:03] <explode> i cant
[09:03] <explode> it says unmet depences
[09:03] <explode> when i try to apt get install firefox
[09:03] <jpatrick> hmm...
[09:03] <explode>   mozilla-firefox: Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0) but it is not installable
[09:03] <seth_k> testmad_: back
[09:03] <jpatrick> mozilla-firefox
[09:03] <explode>                    Depends: libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0) but it is not installable
[09:03] <explode>                    Depends: libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4) but it is not installable
[09:03] <explode>                    Depends: libgconf2-4 (>= 2.9) but it is not installable
[09:04] <jpatrick> weird
[09:04] <explode>                    Depends: libgnome2-0 (>= 2.8.0) but it is not installable
[09:04] <_michael> ne1 got advice for me?
[09:04] <explode>                    Depends: libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= 2.6.0) but it is not installable
[09:04] <explode>                    Depends: libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.8.0) but it is not installable
[09:04] <seth_k> explode, please do not paste here
[09:04] <explode>                    Depends: libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.9.90) but it is not installable
[09:04] <explode>                    Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0) but it is not installable
[09:04] <jpatrick> we get the picture
[09:04] <explode>                    Depends: libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.1) but it is not installable
[09:04] <explode> E: Broken packages
[09:04] <explode> sorry!!
[09:04] <explode> i said sorry..
[09:04] <seth_k> explode: etiquette is to use http://ubuntu.pastebin.com
[09:04] <explode> :| people these days
[09:05] <seth_k> explode: it's not people these days, it's common sense
[09:05] <jpatrick> cool
[09:05] <seth_k> that's all
[09:05] <seth_k> no problems
[09:05] <explode> ....
[09:05] <explode> many channels i come from allow pasting.
[09:05] <explode> expecially if its an error with their program.
[09:05] <explode> :|
[09:05] <testmad_> seth_k: im having trouble installign this nvidia driver
[09:05] <jpatrick> well don't paste books into the channel
[09:05] <explode> in the topic i dont see no pasting soryr.
[09:06] <seth_k> I guess this is your first time on ubuntu's channels, sorry. All Ubuntu channels ask that you use http://ubuntu.pastebin.com for more than 4 lines of paste.
[09:06] <explode> anyways
[09:06] <explode> how doi fix this
[09:06] <seth_k> this helps to keep the channel clear
[09:06] <explode> k
[09:06] <_michael> what channel can help me with theme manager
[09:06] <explode> kde
[09:06] <explode> #kde
[09:06] <testmad_> i d/led the driver and when i try to run it its sayin no filename found
[09:06] <explode> heh
[09:06] <seth_k> testmad_: hoary?
[09:07] <testmad_> no..nvidia.com drivers
[09:07] <seth_k> _michael: what's your issue?
[09:07] <explode> so, how can i fizx this depency issue
[09:07] <_michael> I downloaded a Theme Manager theme from kde-look.org and opened my theme manager and clicked install theme - the theme showed up but withou preview. When I clicked apply it didn't change anything. What am I doing wrong?
[09:07] <zaudragon> hello!
[09:07] <explode> HI!
[09:07] <explode> :P
[09:07] <jpatrick> hi
[09:07] <zaudragon> this r0x0rz
[09:07] <seth_k> _michael: possibly not made for kde 3.4, or a bad theme. Try another
[09:07] <explode> YAY!
[09:07] <seth_k> word, zaudragon :)
[09:07] <seth_k> explode: are you running hoary + backports?
[09:07] <explode> hoary
[09:08] <zaudragon> just getting used to it though
[09:08] <explode> dont know what backports is
[09:08] <jpatrick> I'm 19 minutes away from getting Breezy :)
[09:08] <_michael> I've tried about 5 - sum tarballs and sum theme files
[09:08] <zaudragon> hmmm
[09:09] <seth_k> _michael: #kde is your best bet then, imo
[09:09] <zaudragon> does Kubuntu support Airport cards?
[09:09] <_michael> k
[09:09] <buz> are there backports from breezy for hoary or what
[09:09] <jpatrick> all of them
[09:09] <jpatrick> I think
[09:09] <buz> n
[09:09] <buz> no
[09:09] <buz> airport express is not supported
[09:10] <seth_k> explode: it looks like you do not have universe enabled
[09:10] <explode> nope
[09:10] <buz> or whatever the 54mbit variety is called
[09:10] <explode> .etc/sources.list right?
[09:10] <seth_k> explode: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:10] <testmad_> seth_k: got it to run..but it said that im runnin an xserver and i need to quit to install the drivers..what is it talking about?
[09:10] <explode> or nano.
[09:10] <explode> lol
[09:10] <seth_k> or nano, if you prefer :D
[09:10] <zaudragon> buz: well I have an Airport Extreme base station (102.11g) and an Airport Extreme card (102.11g)
[09:10] <buz> and that works?
[09:10] <buz> last i heard people where bitching
[09:10] <seth_k> testmad_: You need to use CTRL ALT F1 and switch to a terminal. Log in and type "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop"
[09:10] <buz> were
[09:11] <testmad_> k
[09:11] <seth_k> testmad_: you can then proceed with installation
[09:11] <explode>  deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[09:11] <zaudragon> buz: nope does not work :D
[09:11] <seth_k> testmad_: then use sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start to get back to X
[09:11] <explode> it looks enabled
[09:11] <seth_k> explode: take out the us.
[09:11] <zaudragon> buz: just asking, and giving more information
[09:11] <seth_k> explode: so http://archive.ubuntu
[09:11] <seth_k> explode: and do that with all us. lines
[09:11] <explode> k
[09:11] <seth_k> explode: us. archive has heavy issues
[09:11] <buz> thats what remembered
[09:11] <buz> the access point is no issue, but the airport extreme card isn't supported
[09:11] <explode> why no us
[09:11] <explode> i like usa
[09:11] <explode> :P
[09:12] <buz> afaik, plain 11mbit airport does work
[09:12] <seth_k> explode: me too :P but the US machine is broken
[09:12] <explode> machine?
[09:12] <explode> its a machine?
[09:12] <explode> 1 machine?
[09:12] <explode> still dosnt work
[09:12] <explode> same errors
[09:12] <seth_k> reload
[09:12] <seth_k> sudo apt-get update
[09:12] <explode> efven after removal of us and apt-get update
[09:12] <seth_k> hmm
[09:14] <explode> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/314567
[09:15] <seth_k> explode: how about your sources.list? 
[09:15] <testmad_> ok..now i need to install gcc.
[09:15] <testmad_> how?
[09:15] <seth_k> testmad_: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[09:15] <testmad_> ok
[09:15] <testmad_> thnx
[09:16] <explode> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/314569
[09:16] <zaudragon> w00t!
[09:16] <explode> WHAT!
[09:16] <explode> :P
[09:16] <zaudragon> finally made Kopete look the way I like it :D
[09:17] <explode> kowhoa?
[09:17] <explode> what is that
[09:17] <testmad_> ok..now i need kubuntus kernal source
[09:17] <seth_k> Kopete is the KDE Instant Messenger
[09:17] <explode> oh in kubuntu is ther a dvd player or do i need to download one?
[09:17] <testmad_> err.source tree
[09:17] <seth_k> explode: Kaffeine will do it
[09:17] <explode> kool
[09:17] <explode> anyone know why i cant get mozilla
[09:17] <explode> is kubuntu AGAINSRT firefox?
[09:17] <explode> !!!
[09:17] <ubotu> rumour has it, ! is what u add before a sentence to talk to me
[09:18] <explode> lol, 
[09:18] <testmad_> hehe
[09:18] <seth_k> explode: hahahahaah
[09:18] <seth_k> explode: you have no main repos!
[09:18] <explode> why dosnt firefox come with kubuntu by defualt
[09:18] <explode> like it does with redhat
[09:18] <seth_k> b/c KDE uses Konqueror
[09:18] <seth_k> firefox comes with Ubuntu
[09:18] <seth_k> Konqueror comes with Kubuntu
[09:18] <explode> how will i ever fix?
[09:18] <seth_k> ?? sources.list
[09:18] <kinfo> [sources.list]  example /etc/apt/sources.list with all official repositories plus KDE 3.4.1 and Koffice 1.4 from kubuntu.org can be found at: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/303802
[09:18] <testmad_> seth_k: how do i install kubuntu source?
[09:18] <seth_k> kinfo has the sources.list you should use, explode 
[09:18] <seth_k> then apt-get update and you're good to go!
[09:19] <explode> YAY!
[09:19] <seth_k> testmad_: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.10-5
[09:19] <explode> WORKS
[09:19] <explode> <3 seth_k 
[09:19] <testmad_> k
[09:20] <seth_k> testmad_: add your version on the end
[09:20] <seth_k> like -386, -k7, -686
[09:20] <explode> its most likely -386
[09:20] <explode> :P
[09:20] <explode> wow i think there is something wrong with konversation
[09:20] <seth_k> testmad_: ask yourself, do you really need the new drivers, and not just Hoary's version?
[09:20] <seth_k> explode: why so?
[09:20] <explode> it has time down to the milli-milli second
[09:20] <explode> :|
[09:20] <seth_k> lol
[09:20] <buz> is there any gui tool to develop regex on kde?
[09:21] <explode> like the trillisecond?
[09:21] <explode> or the quadrasecond
[09:21] <explode> lol
[09:21] <seth_k> buz: there is
[09:21] <seth_k> buz: it is called KRegExpEditor and is in universe
[09:21] <explode> or OR the penisecond
[09:21] <buz> thanks
[09:21] <explode> wow
[09:21] <explode> :P
[09:22] <testmad_> hmm..says unable to find current kernal source tree
[09:22] <explode> if u think kubuntu sucks raise ure hand >> *gets out the shotgun*
[09:22] <explode> :P
[09:22] <testmad_> seth_k: you were the one that said they would be better.
[09:23] <seth_k> testmad_: but unstable, possibly. Plus hard to install. You will also need `sudo aptitude install linux-source-2.6.10`
[09:23] <buz> seth_k: perfekt
[09:23] <explode> if u think winblows is better then linux raise ure hand >> *gets out the atomic bomb*
[09:23] <explode> :P
[09:23] <seth_k> buz: it's a handy tool; i use it a lot. Very well designed and easy-to-use
[09:23] <buz> yeah
[09:23] <explode> ok is there a way to make ure defualt browser firefox
[09:23] <buz> activestate komodo had a really handy one
[09:23] <explode> hehehehhe
[09:23] <buz> but its closed source
[09:23] <buz> and payware to boot
[09:24] <explode> is there a linux anti-virus
[09:24] <explode> :P
[09:24] <buz> clamav
[09:24] <explode> u dont need antivirus
[09:24] <explode> i mean really?
[09:24] <explode> do u?
[09:24] <explode> lol
[09:24] <fromoze> the only antivirus you need is common sense :)
[09:24] <explode> there is viruses 4 linux
[09:25] <explode> ?
[09:25] <explode> lies there is not.
[09:25] <explode> lol
[09:25] <fromoze> there're some... but 
[09:26] <seth_k> explode: there are no real viruses for linux. And as long as you do not run as root, you're safe anyways
[09:26] <fromoze> not dangerous if you've common sense: don't use root user for daily use and don't install thing sent by a unknown person.
[09:26] <seth_k> fromoze++
[09:26] <jpatrick> I'm installing Breezy wooohooo
[09:26] <seth_k> you must enjoy pain, jpatrick 
[09:26] <buz> jpatrick: i wouldnt do that
[09:26] <fromoze> jpatrick: !!!
[09:26] <fromoze> remember!
[09:26] <buz> not if its a box ou need
[09:26] <explode> ohoh why is firefox icon ugly in linux
[09:27] <explode> and nice in winblowz?
[09:27] <explode> thats not fair
[09:27] <explode> lool
[09:27] <seth_k> explode: look on the forums, you can easily replace it. Takes two seconds
[09:27] <fromoze> if problem with fonts dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg :D
[09:27] <seth_k> it's because of Mozilla's licensing requirements.
[09:27] <jpatrick> too late
[09:27] <explode> HOW!
[09:27] <explode> U MUST TELL ME
[09:27] <jpatrick> Wow it's setting up fine
[09:28] <seth_k> explode: don't shout. http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=58 has tons of tips.
[09:28] <fromoze> seth_k: i don't understand fromoze++ :? 
[09:28] <seth_k> fromoze: it's the IRC way of agreeing with someone
[09:28] <seth_k> ++ is the increment operator
[09:29] <explode> thank u
[09:29] <explode> <3
[09:29] <explode> omg
[09:29] <testmad_> seth_k: this is aggrevating
[09:29] <explode> when i click a link it opens in konquere
[09:29] <testmad_> it still says that source tree wasnt found
[09:29] <explode> cna i make it mozilla?
[09:29] <fromoze> seth_k: ok.. I think I understand..
[09:29] <jpatrick> Control Centre
[09:30] <sbcl3> how come Konversation doens't let me copy text out of it with Ctrl C?
[09:30] <sbcl3> and how to i change it? it doesn't look like its in the shortcuts section
[09:30] <seth_k> sbcl3: it's a Konversation problem. Gotta use the mouse methinks
[09:31] <jpatrick> explode: KDE Componentment -> Component Chooser
[09:31] <seth_k> testmad_: there are lots of people on the forums who have installed them. Search for some threads there.
[09:31] <testmad_> where does the source tree get installed to?
[09:32] <seth_k>  /usr/src methinks
[09:32] <testmad_> k
[09:32] <hussam> how can I tell when Kubuntu was installed on a machine? does it keep record somwhere?
[09:32] <hussam> an in the installation date
[09:35] <lokito> brb
[09:35] <explode> um i canged teh icons and it didint work :|
[09:37] <seth_k> explode: you have to restart kicker
[09:37] <seth_k> explode: "killall kicker && kicker" in terminal
[09:38] <mart> hussam: grep Local /var/log/installer/messages
[09:40] <hussam> Ok I got that. the installation date is 6th of June.
[09:41] <testmad_> im bout ready to kick this pc
[09:42] <explode> kill all
[09:42] <explode> or can i just restart..
[09:42] <explode> um a browser frooze
[09:42] <explode> how do i fix this?
[09:43] <mart> explode: click the close button, and wait for the dialog saying it's frozen, and kill it
[09:43] <explode> k
[09:43] <explode> lol
[09:43] <mart> or Ctrl-Alt-Esc, and click the window
[09:44] <explode> whoa
[09:44] <explode> firefox wants me to upgrade the package
[09:44] <explode> how :!
[09:44] <explode> i just got it, isnt this the latest?
[09:45] <explode> lol
[09:45] <mart> muh!?! how did it ask you to upgrade?
[09:45] <explode> um
[09:45] <explode> i went to download an extention
[09:45] <explode> firefox.com says im using ubuntu
[09:45] <explode> with not the latest version
[09:45] <explode> i have 1.0.2 the latest is 1.0.5
[09:46] <explode> they said there is a bug report in ubuntu saying that they need to upgrade pacakges?
[09:46] <explode> im confused :|
[09:46] <explode> lol
[09:46] <fromoze> Firefox has his own upgrade manager...
[09:48] <seth_k> explode: you don't understand how Ubuntu works
[09:48] <explode> nope
[09:48] <explode> i dont
[09:48] <explode> :P
[09:48] <seth_k> all the fixes from Firefox 1.0.5 are backported into 1.0.2
[09:48] <seth_k> but the version number does not change
[09:48] <explode> yep BUT
[09:48] <seth_k> so you're running like 1.0.2ubuntu5 or something
[09:48] <explode> firefox .com dosnt reconize it
[09:48] <seth_k> ?? firefox
[09:48] <kinfo> [firefox]  If you cannot install themes or extensions, go to about:config in Firefox and search for "vendorsub". Change the number to "1.0.4" and restart Firefox
[09:48] <othernoob> the backporting is idiotic ;)
[09:48] <explode> so how do i download extensions :|
[09:48] <explode> k
[09:48] <explode> i think so to.
[09:48] <explode> backporting ?
[09:48] <explode> puh.
[09:49] <explode> vendorsub isnt in here?
[09:50] <mart> vendorSub
[09:50] <explode> app version u mean?
[09:50] <explode> app.version ..
[09:50] <explode> tehre is noi such variable vendorsub
[09:50] <seth_k> yes there is
[09:50] <seth_k> general.useragent.vendorSub
[09:50] <explode> oh
[09:51] <explode> but mine says 1.0 :P
[09:51] <seth_k> like it says, SEARCH for vendorsub and change it to 1.0.4
[09:51] <explode> well it worked
[09:51] <explode> :P
[09:53] <sbcl3> are there any graphical programs for sfv checking? its a drag to keep typing at this terminal...i've got tons of .svf files to check
[09:54] <seth_k> sfv or svf
[09:54] <sbcl3> sfv
[09:55] <seth_k> cksfv or cfv will both do what you need
[09:55] <seth_k> although not sure if they have guis
[09:55] <sbcl3> i have both of those :(
[09:55] <seth_k> hehe
[09:55] <sbcl3> they don't have guis
[09:55] <mart> but that's what bash has for loops for :)
[09:55] <seth_k> write a bash script to do it for you then
[09:56] <sbcl3> there just has to be one somewhere...
[09:57] <mart> really, writing a bit of bash is probably gonna be faster than finding it
[09:58] <sbcl3> i don't know bash
[10:04] <testmad_> ok
[10:04] <testmad_> umm
[10:04] <testmad_> nvidia.coms drivers blow
[10:05] <testmad_> time to use ubuntu's
[10:05] <testmad_> wait..how do i do a symlink?
[10:06] <testmad_> and what is it
[10:06] <mart> testmad_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symlink
[10:06] <testmad_> cant click..in console
[10:07] <testmad_> but thnx..will use links
[10:08] <seth_k> symlink is ln -s
[10:10] <testmad_> see..these nvidia drivers cant find the source at /usr/src/linux
[10:10] <testmad_> which is ok
[10:10] <testmad_> cus uts nt there
[10:10] <testmad_> so i tell it where to look
[10:10] <testmad_> /usr/src/
[10:10] <testmad_> and says cant find it
[10:11] <mart> well, which directory under /usr/src is it in?
[10:11] <ray_> anyone here?
[10:11] <ray_> does anybody know why i have to wait when changing sound applications for them to work?
[10:12] <testmad_> ok..figuring it out more
[10:12] <mart> ray_: probably one application is holding /dev/dsp open
[10:12] <seth_k> man ln, testmad_ 
[10:12] <ray_> mart, yeah thats what i think....anyway to stop that?
[10:12] <mart> ray_: well, which app?
[10:13] <mart> hmm, lsof /dev/snd/* maybe
[10:13] <trograin> How do I install a .binfile?
[10:13] <ray_> mart, well for example if i am using juk or xmms then try any other sound app after that i have to wait a minute for it to work....it didnt do this with gnome
[10:14] <trograin> I downloaded the newest java shitt to be isntalled so I cn run limewire
[10:14] <mart> ray_: kde apps use artsd, which holds open the sound device
[10:14] <trograin> but I dont have a clue how to use the file
[10:14] <mart> ray_: so switching to non-kde apps is sometimes an arse
[10:14] <mart> ray_: either run xmms via "artsdsp xmms"
[10:15] <ray_> mart, k
[10:15] <trograin> anyone. How do I run a .bin file? need to be able to install the jre platform that is a .bin file
[10:15] <trograin> ayone???
[10:16] <gdh_> chmod a+x filename.bin
[10:16] <mart> ray_: or see http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Setting_up_Dmix_for_ALSA
[10:16] <gdh_> then ./filename.bin
[10:16] <trograin> but I allready tryed with sudo
[10:16] <ray_> mart, i actually found something in the control center
[10:16] <trograin> shouldnt that go no matter if you chmod or not?
[10:16] <gdh_> trograin: no
[10:16] <trograin> aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh, okey
[10:16] <trograin> thanx
[10:16] <trograin> :D
[10:17] <thania> hi - can anyone tell me if there is a way to switch to root in kubuntu?
[10:17] <ray_> mart, under souns system there is a option on how long it keeps the sound open
[10:17] <trograin> use sudo
[10:17] <trograin> or su
[10:17] <thania> ok, but then I'm asked for a password
[10:17] <mart> ray_: yeah, you could use that
[10:17] <explode> k
[10:17] <venda> Alt+F2 the kdesu command
[10:18] <explode> i restarted and i get cant load sound driver, permissiond enied
[10:18] <explode> what group do i need to be added as?
[10:18] <trograin> wellll you can allways su yourself in to root in the shell and then simply create a password for root :D
[10:18] <explode> im added to admin why cant i be added?
[10:18] <trograin> then you will be able to login from loginmanager as root
[10:18] <explode> i did
[10:18] <gdh_> thania: you type in YOUR password
[10:18] <explode> and i cant trograin 
[10:18] <trograin> wonder why I can then :D
[10:19] <thania> my password does not work
[10:19] <ray_> mart, not sure if it is gonna work how i want but we will see
[10:19] <gdh_> thania: then I don't know.
[10:19] <testmad_> hmm
[10:19] <testmad_> got it to try and compile the drivers now
[10:20] <testmad_> but said it couldnt cus nvidia.ro or .ko somehting like that was missing
[10:20] <thania> ok, then i take knoppix to become root
[10:20] <ray_> so why do you guys use kubuntu instead of ubuntu?
[10:21] <explode> hey
[10:21] <explode> ok i added root to a passowrd
[10:21] <explode> i try to login says root login not allowed :|
[10:22] <testmad_> how do i see what kernel version i have?
[10:22] <ray_> uname -r
[10:22] <thania> testmad_: cat /proc/version
[10:22] <explode> i got the automediaplayer extension in firefox but evetime i start firefox it ask me to configure it again and again and again??
[10:23] <mart> explode: you weren't running it as root or something?
[10:24] <thania> ok, kubuntu does not have a group wheel
[10:24] <explode> no mart
[10:25] <mart> explode: sounds like a firefox bug, or a bug with the extension
[10:25] <explode> stop being smart
[10:25] <explode> :P
[10:26] <mart> explode: I wasn't.
[10:26] <explode> no
[10:26] <explode> smart
[10:26] <explode> as in acting smart
[10:26] <explode> as in knowing things
[10:26] <mart> explode: I wasn't.
[10:26] <explode> not as in sarcastic
[10:26] <explode> :P
[10:26] <mart> explode: I know what you meant - I was checking you weren't runing as root to make sure that the config files hadn't got the wrong permissions
[10:27] <explode> ut oh
[10:27] <explode> i think i did!
[10:27] <explode> how doi fidx it?
[10:27] <testmad_> ok..now it says that the kernel source doesnt match the current kernel and cant load nvidia.ko
[10:27] <thania> bye - need restart
[10:28] <mart> explode:  chown -R `whoami`.`whoami` ~/.mozilla
[10:28] <testmad_> but it does
[10:28] <explode> i dont want to make it only mypermiissions
[10:28] <mart> that just makes you the owner of your own config files, what's the problem?
[10:29] <explode>   /me dies
[10:29] <explode> sh-3.00$ chown -R `explode`.`explode` ~/.mozilla
[10:29] <explode> sh: explode: command not found
[10:29] <explode> sh: explode: command not found
[10:29] <explode> chown: `.': cannot omit both user and group
[10:29] <explode> its only 4 lines dont yell at me.
[10:29] <explode> lool
[10:30] <mart> heh, whoami is a command
[10:30] <explode> ohh
[10:30] <explode> lol
[10:30] <mart> I meant it literally
[10:30] <explode> normally when there is a ''
[10:30] <mart> so do chown -R explode.explode ~/.mozilla
[10:30] <explode> means put ure name
[10:30] <seth_k> mart: don't you use a : instead of . ?
[10:30] <mart> explode: never seen that
[10:30] <seth_k> or are they synonymous
[10:31] <explode> !
[10:31] <ubotu> I don't know, explode
[10:31] <explode> im confused
[10:31] <explode> someone just said i dont know to me"?
[10:31] <explode> lol
[10:31] <explode> !
[10:31] <mart> seth_k: . works, never used :
[10:31] <seth_k> you're talking to a bot, explode.
[10:31] <explode> haha
[10:31] <explode> ! <3 u
[10:31] <seth_k> mart, okay. both work then. I've always used :
[10:31] <ubotu> explode: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[10:31] <seth_k> explode: do not mess with the bot
[10:31] <explode> ok sorry
[10:31] <explode> what does it do
[10:31] <seth_k> things like this
[10:32] <explode> !google mozilla
[10:32] <ubotu> explode: I haven't a clue
[10:32] <seth_k> !info mozilla-firefox
[10:32] <ubotu> mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.2-0ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 8581 kB, Installed size: 24100 kB
[10:32] <explode> oh
[10:32] <explode> ok
[10:32] <explode> :S
[10:32] <explode> !info dvd
[10:32] <seth_k> explode: don't mess with the bot!
[10:32] <explode> hmm
[10:32] <seth_k> i'm serious
[10:32] <explode> okok!
[10:32] <explode> dang.
[10:32] <explode> why does he respond to me if i say it anyways
[10:32] <explode> if ure so worried.
[10:32] <seth_k> it keys on !
[10:33] <explode> WHY ARE U SO WORRIED?!
[10:33] <seth_k> mart, /me goes to man chown to see if . and : are different
[10:33] <explode> im not going to mess it up??
[10:33] <crimsun> they're not different
[10:33] <explode> i just asked it a basic question
[10:33] <crimsun> . is deprecated in favour of :
[10:33] <mart> seth_k: ok, man page says :
[10:33] <seth_k> right, thanks crimsun
[10:33] <mart> bah, that's a whole extra shift key :(
[10:33] <seth_k> hehe
[10:34] <testmad_> seth_k: y is it that these nv drivers say that i have a diferent kernel than the source that its using?
[10:34] <seth_k> testmad_: what does uname -a say
[10:35] <testmad_> 2.6.10-5-386
[10:35] <testmad_> and source dir says.
[10:35] <testmad_> 2.6.10-5
[10:35] <testmad_> but i wouldnt se y that would be an issue
[10:38] <testmad_> yea..the nvkernel couldnt compile cus my current kernel isnt built with the source files im tellign it to use
[10:39] <testmad_> one question..can i still play doom at high settings with the ubuntu drivers?
[10:39] <seth_k> I would assume so
[10:39] <seth_k> the ubuntu nvidia drivers are not that outdated
[10:39] <testmad_> good..cus im just gonna install them then
[10:39] <testmad_> this is too much of a headache..
[10:40] <testmad_> i ran out of cigarettes trying to mess with this..and i have no way to get more..
[10:40] <ray_> testmad_, what are u trying to do?
[10:40] <testmad_> needlesss to say i need to start finding shortcuts
[10:40] <testmad_> install nvidia's 7667 drivers
[10:41] <ray_> testmad_, did you look on the ubuntu page... thats how i got my drivers installed
[10:41] <testmad_> yea..
[10:41] <testmad_> and im following the directions
[10:41] <ray_> did you edit /etc/X11/
[10:41] <testmad_> i got headers and source both installed
[10:41] <testmad_> y edit?
[10:41] <ray_> cus i had to
[10:41] <testmad_> for what?
[10:42] <ray_> to get the drivers to work
[10:42] <testmad_> i dont see y.
[10:42] <explode> how do i remove this extension from firefox, i cant start it becuase of this problem
[10:42] <testmad_> im not at that part anyways
[10:42] <testmad_> im trying to get them to compile
[10:42] <ray_> so X knows what driver to use
[10:42] <ray_> ohh
[10:42] <ray_> whats the error?
[10:42] <testmad_> nvidia.ko cant load.
[10:43] <testmad_> current kernel wasnt built using source provided
[10:43] <explode> how do i remove this extension from firefox, i cant start it becuase of this problem ???
[10:43] <ray_> testmad_, u got the wrong headers
[10:44] <testmad_> nope
[10:44] <ray_> testmad_, u couldnt find the binaries only the source?
[10:44] <testmad_> unless there's 2.6.10-5-386 headers.
[10:44] <testmad_> cus i got 2.6.10-5
[10:45] <explode> !!!
[10:45] <ubotu> from memory, ! is what u add before a sentence to talk to me
[10:45] <ray_> what does it say when you do a uname -r
[10:45] <explode> thats ure problem!!
[10:45] <testmad_> 2.6.10-5-386
[10:45] <ray_> so get those!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:45] <explode> lol
[10:45] <testmad_> i thought i didi
[10:45] <testmad_> how do i get them again?
[10:45] <ray_> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[10:46] <testmad_> ahh
[10:47] <testmad_> heheh
[10:47] <testmad_> werked
[10:47] <explode> exactly
[10:48] <ray_> told ya
[10:48] <explode> now my issue :P
[10:48] <explode> how do i remove this extension from firefox, i cant start it becuase of this problem
[10:48] <testmad_> now to edit the xorg file and then install the platform driversw
[10:48] <testmad_> wait
[10:48] <testmad_> ray_: what do i edit and what do i put in?
[10:48] <testmad_> i was looking at the ubuntu drivers thing
[10:49] <ray_> testmad_, not sure it should say on ubuntu page
[10:49] <explode> 2 things how do i change my timezone
[10:49] <testmad_> if you got a link post it pls
[10:50] <ray_> testmad_, i thought you were following instructions?
[10:50] <testmad_> yea..the ubuntu drivers one..i was about to do those..
[10:50] <testmad_> but i was following instructions of seth
[10:52] <ray_> what is the name of your card?
[10:52] <testmad_> 6600gt
[10:52] <ray_> testmad_, ok
[10:54] <ray_> testmad_, did you install the drivers?
[10:54] <testmad_> yea
[10:54] <testmad_> they're done
[10:54] <ray_> testmad_, and it doesnt work?
[10:54] <testmad_> i dunno
[10:54] <testmad_> how do i restart x?
[10:55] <ray_> testmad_, just reboot..... then come back and let me know
[11:00] <Jeezis> i <3 kubuntu
[11:00] <testmad> didnt werk
[11:00] <testmad> still got black screen
[11:00] <ray_> testmad_, u should have just done a sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[11:00] <Jeezis> had a bit of a time getting the repositories straightened out, but now i am most satisfied :D
[11:00] <testmad> hehe
[11:01] <ray_> testmad, would have saved u alot of frustration
[11:01] <testmad> i know
[11:01] <testmad> i can still do that tho right?
[11:01] <ray_> testmad, yeah
[11:01] <testmad> do i need to remove the other stuff first?
[11:01] <ray_> it wouldnt hurt
[11:01] <testmad> you know what..
[11:01] <testmad> just reinstall
[11:02] <testmad> that way my net werks right too
[11:02] <mart> correct abbreviation of "that is" is "i.e."?
[11:02] <mart> is that the right punctuation?
[11:02] <ray_> testmad, yeah thats always an option
[11:02] <testmad> be back in a bit
[11:02] <ray_> testmad, your using kubuntu right
[11:02] <testmad> yea
[11:02] <testmad> y?
[11:02] <ray_> nice
[11:02] <testmad> bb i a bit
[11:02] <ray_> how long does it take for u to install
[11:02] <testmad> reinstalling
[11:02] <testmad> umm
[11:03] <testmad> 10-15 minutes
[11:03] <ray_> i will still be here prob 
[11:03] <ray_> see ya
[11:03] <testmad> later
[11:05] <ray_> testmad is giving himself headaches
[11:05] <seth_k> indeed
[11:06] <ray_> nobody told him he could apt-get those drivers
[11:06] <seth_k> I did
[11:06] <seth_k> twice
[11:06] <ray_> really
[11:06] <seth_k> he insisted he wanted the newer ones
[11:07] <ray_> whats the difference
[11:07] <seth_k> [19:20]  <seth_k> testmad_: ask yourself, do you really need the new drivers, and not just Hoary's version?
[11:07] <seth_k> they're newer? :P
[11:07] <ray_> if anything the hoary ones work better though
[11:08] <seth_k> i'm on breezy, with no drivers at all
[11:08] <seth_k> but it's okay because America's Army 2.4 isn't out for Linux yet
[11:08] <ray_> breezy just works?
[11:08] <seth_k> no, breezy's drivers are broken :P
[11:08] <ray_> yeah i still have 2.3
[11:08] <seth_k> just using the nv driver
[11:08] <seth_k> with no gl
[11:09] <ray_> yeah i have an ati and the fglrx drivers work awesome
[11:10] <ray_> do you know where i can get more screensavers for kde?
[11:10] <gdh_> ray: apt-get install rss-glx
[11:10] <gdh_> lots of beautiful OpenGL screenies
[11:11] <ray_> ok thanks
[11:11] <pax> kdeartwork is what you want?
[11:11] <gdh_> http://www.reallyslick.com/ etc.
[11:11] <ray_> anyone else have problems using the 686 kernel?
[11:11] <seth_k> on .10 or .12?
[11:12] <ray_> 10
[11:13] <ray_> i installed them to get full use of my ram and after that my system wall all out of whack
[11:13] <ray_> so now im stuck with 386
[11:13] <ray_> they worked fine with regular ubuntu
[11:14] <seth_k> that's not specific enough for anyone to help you :P
[11:14] <ray_> but i like kde so much better
[11:14] <seth_k> error messages, aberrant behaviour, what?
[11:14] <gdh_> hint: the kernel packages are identical between ubuntu / kubuntu :)
[11:14] <ray_> system freezing
[11:14] <ray_> gdh_, yeah i know thats why it is so bizzarre
[11:14] <gdh_> not just 'compiled the same way' - they are byte-for-byte identical .debs :)
[11:14] <gdh_> heh cool
[11:15] <ray_> im gonna try it again
[11:16] <ray_> r u guys using xchat?
[11:17] <seth_k> ugh no
[11:17] <seth_k> not on KDE
[11:17] <seth_k> Konversation
[11:17] <ray_> really
[11:17] <ray_> brb need to reboot with 686
[11:19] <ray_> hello 
[11:19] <ray_> again
[11:20] <ray_> seems to be working but it did break my sound need to recompile alsa
[11:20] <zaudragon> hello...
[11:21] <zaudragon> it crashed and I got a Kernel Panic on Mac OS X afterwards
[11:22] <ray_> seth_k: u there?
[11:22] <seth_k> yep
[11:22] <ray_> seth_k: konversation is better
[11:23] <seth_k> I like it better
[11:23] <seth_k> plus it's all KDE-ified and shiny
[11:23] <seth_k> ;)
[11:27] <ray_> anyone know how to share a printer with an xp system?
[11:27] <sbcl3> samba
[11:28] <seth_k> you can do it all from the Printers applet
[11:28] <testmad> ray_: im back
[11:28] <testmad> clean installand net werks right
[11:28] <testmad> dont have to dhclient all the time
[11:29] <ray_> seth_k: when it asks for server i type the ip address
[11:29] <testmad> time for nvidia drivers.
[11:29] <testmad> lemme edit sources.list
[11:30] <ray_> testmad: i will brb
[11:31] <testmad> k
[11:31] <testmad> apt-get updating
[11:36] <Willy-Wanka> Lets Boogie!
[11:37] <gdh_> :DD
[11:37] <gdh_> Well done - the biggest laugh today :)
[11:40] <Willy-Wonka> Wow, your really weird.
[11:43] <gdh_> thank you :)
[11:49] <Willy-Wonka> Chewing gum is really grose, chewing gum I hate the most!
[11:53] <leafw> Hi. How can one show presentations in PDF in full screen other than with acroread?
[11:53] <leafw> the kpdf "full screen" does not show the slides alone, but with bars and buttons.
[11:53] <mart> use presentation mode
[11:53] <mart> in the view menu
[11:53] <leafw> thanks
[11:53] <leafw> hum no such mode is listed ... is it a special option?
[11:54] <leafw> ooops
[11:54] <leafw> there it is
[11:54] <mart> :)
[11:56] <leafw> hummm ... the pdf was done with CMYK images in InDesign, and in kubuntu it looks as if it was RGB, the images look saturated and have lost part of the colors. Too bad.
[11:57] <leafw> I was hoping I could impress the audience by using linux on this mac
[11:57] <gdh_> leafw: It's more fun to horrify Mac weenies by *not* running OS X on a Mac :)
[11:58] <leafw> yai the problem is the presentation does not look good
[11:58] <leafw> and this is a dissertation I'll have to defend in public
[11:58] <leafw> the images must look good.
[12:00] <seth_k> leafw: CMYK is a print thing... it's not gonna show up right on any computer monitor, Linux or not, in a PDF format, methinks
[12:00] <leafw> looks great from the macosx end
[12:00] <leafw> in this very same computer
[12:01] <leafw> but then macosx displays are all pdfs, it's supposed to be great at showing them.
[12:01] <testmad> seth_k: guide me to install nvidia drivers..too difficult trying to find it with links
[12:02] <seth_k> testmad: sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:02] <seth_k> done
[12:02] <seth_k> :P
[12:02] <seth_k> that's one command, entered in terminal
[12:02] <testmad> i swore there was more
[12:02] <seth_k> not if you use Hoary's drivers
[12:02] <testmad> install nvidia settings
[12:03] <testmad> or something like that
[12:03] <gdh_> seth_k: Is there something equally easy for ATI cards?