[12:14] <pef> good night !
[12:19] <jp> jdub, are you there?
[12:33] <HiddenWolf> jp, the fashionable way to ask that around here is "ping?"
[12:33] <HiddenWolf> the proper response being "pong"
[12:33] <HiddenWolf> ;)
[12:34] <robitaille> but variations have been known to occur on the ping/pong front
[01:09] <jp> hahahha
[01:09] <jp> ok HiddenWolf and robitaille :)
[01:56] <Riddell> what's the services program jorge is blogging about here? http://www.whiprush.org/2005/07/services.html
[02:01] <tiglionabbit> when I try to print something from firefox, it omits most of the text on the page.  I can print properly from other programs like OpenOffice.  What could be configured wrong?
[02:01] <JanC> Riddell : it's in GNOME in System --> Administration (or something like that, my locale is in Dutch)
[02:04] <tiglionabbit> could someone help me?  I can find no information on this problem..
[02:09] <JanC> Riddell : services-admin
[02:09] <Riddell> JanC: does it work on Ubuntu?
[02:10] <Riddell> JanC: is there a package?  apt-cache doesn't know about it
[02:10] <JanC> never changed anything with it   :)
[02:10] <tiglionabbit> when I try to print a postcript file it says "Cannot execute print command:    ".  What is the print command I should configure it with?
[02:12] <carstenh> Riddell: it is included in gnome-system-tools in breezy
[02:13] <tiglionabbit> guys
[02:14] <tiglionabbit> when I lpr a postscript file, it skips printing a lot of the text in it.  It's awful
[02:14] <tiglionabbit> what's up with this?
[02:27] <tiglionabbit> somebody help me, please
[02:29] <tiglionabbit> it wont print pdfs or postscript files or html files
[02:59] <dos> hi guys, 13 july I downloaded the 13 july dialy iso and on the installation (blue iinstaller) I got: initnrd error, and today I downloaded 15 july iso and I got the same... :/ just saying that error...
[02:59] <dos> :(
[03:01] <dos> initrd
[03:01] <dos> :/
[03:01] <dos> I think I'll download the colony :)
[03:04] <tiglionabbit> does anyone know how I can configure my printer properly?  It is ommitting large amounts of text from postscript and pdf files
[03:04] <schweeb> sounds like you're using the raw driver
[03:05] <tiglionabbit> what should I do to fix it?
[03:05] <schweeb> you need to select a driver specific for your printer
[03:05] <tiglionabbit> I did
[03:05] <tiglionabbit> I have an HP Deskjet 920C.  I added my printer as exactly that
[03:05] <schweeb> think you need  to install ghostscript or something
[03:05] <schweeb> are you using cups?
[03:05] <schweeb> btw, this is a #ubuntu question
[03:05] <tiglionabbit> I think.  I tried to print using the "lps" command
[03:06] <tiglionabbit> I'm not sure how it's set up, but it's Hoary Hedgehog and I haven't changed anything
[03:06] <tiglionabbit> about the printer
[03:06] <tiglionabbit> it doesn't print the text that should be on the sample page
[03:07] <tiglionabbit> how do I install ghostscript?  I have gsfonts
[03:08] <tiglionabbit> I've been in #ubuntu and haven't gotten any help
[03:08] <tiglionabbit> I'm usually the one helping other peopel
[03:12] <LinuxJones> tiglionabbit, have you run gnome-cups-manager ?
[03:13] <carstenh_> tiglionabbit: do you know apt-cache? if not install gs :)
[03:14] <tiglionabbit> what I have done is system -> admin -> printers, and added my printer
[03:14] <tiglionabbit> er, printing
[03:14] <LinuxJones> tiglionabbit, was your printer listed ?
[03:15] <tiglionabbit> yes
[03:16] <calc> whats going on between capplets and gnome-control-center?
[03:16] <calc> is capplets deprecated now?
[03:17] <tiglionabbit> Okay, I've removed the printer and added it again from detected, and it still misses the text.  And what gs package do you want me to install?  There are 8 packages that start with "gs"
[03:20] <calc> hmm it seems gnome-control-center replaces capplets but hasn't been updated
[03:20] <carstenh_> tiglionabbit: i did not read the complete discussion, but there are three  different flavors of the Ghostscript PostScript interpreter... (see apt-cache show gs-common). i don't know which is the best
[03:27] <tiglionabbit> http://nickr.kicks-ass.net/~nick/badprint.jpg
[03:27] <tiglionabbit> there's a pdf, looky, no text!  wtf
[04:17] <lamont-away> mdz/elmo/kamion: anyone know if python-apt got updated to deal with tilde's?  could we get that into hoary-updates?
[04:17] <lamont-away> kthx
[05:16] <davyd> has bad things happened in breezy re the syncing of version numbers for GNOME?
[05:25] <jdub> davyd: ?
[05:25] <davyd> jdub: it's trying to uninstall a lot of things
[05:25] <davyd> because of version mismatches
[05:26] <davyd> this is on amd64, so it could be specific to that
[05:27] <jdub> ah, more X
[05:40] <mrd`> The X fixes that have been uploaded include fulfilling the dependencies for xbase-clients -42?
[05:40] <infinity> mrd` : Not yet.  Wait until mid-week.
[05:41] <infinity> davyd : amd64 is currently out of date, cause the buildds are down.
[05:42] <davyd> infinity: aah, wonderful
[05:42] <infinity> davyd : Should clear up in a few days, but then X will be broken for a bit. :)
[05:42] <mrd`> Hm... in the mean time it's causing xkeyboard-config to conflict... is it safe to force xkeyboard-config to install?
[05:42] <davyd> that would explain my world of pain
[05:42] <davyd> I wish that had been mentioned before I dist-upgraded
[05:44] <infinity> mrd` : Check the -devel mailing list.  There's lots of talk about this, including advice (and links) to install xbase-clients -36 to work around current breakage.
[05:45] <mrd`> infinity: Hm, too late... I just --force-overwrite'd xkeyboard-config. :)
[05:48] <mrd`> Poo, swap-caps-lock still doesn't work. :/
[05:52] <bddebian> Poo? :-)
[05:52] <mrd`> Yeah, poo.
[05:52] <mrd`> I like having a usable control key. :)
[05:57] <bddebian> Yes I could see where that would be useful. :-)
[05:57] <mrd`> Yeah... every once in a while I find a use for the control key on the command line.
[05:58] <mrd`> Oh well.  I'm l33t h4x0r that lives on the bleeding edge... this is what I deserve.
[05:58] <bddebian> heh
[06:00] <mrd`> ... oddly ctrl+alt+f1 now just results in 'P' being entered.
[06:01] <bddebian> Nice feature 
[06:02] <davyd> yeah, imagine when you break your P key
[06:02] <mrd`> Thank God.
[06:02] <bddebian> davyd: lol
[06:04] <mrd`> Bah, I don't seem to be able to get a lowercase p though.
[06:04] <daniels> 'vt switch key does not respect modifiers'
[06:04] <bddebian> I was just gonna say that... haha
[06:05] <mgalvin_away> hey guys, whats a good irc logging bot, er which do we use here?
[06:05] <mrd`> daniels: Pfft, you and your technicalities.
[06:05] <mrd`> At least 'sudo chvt 1' works.
[06:06] <bddebian> mgalvin: I have used supybot in the past and liked it
[06:07] <mgalvin> bddebian, thnx, i will give that one a try
[06:08] <bddebian> NP
[06:08] <mrd`> daniels: Are you already aware of this problem, or should I file with bugzilla?
[06:08] <daniels> nope, but sounds cool.  bz, please
[06:08] <mrd`> Alright.
[06:09] <mrd`> File on package 'xorg'?
[06:10] <daniels> file it on xlibs-data for the time being
[06:19] <mrd`> Filed.
[06:49] <seth_k> can somebody with editbugs mark #12568 as dupe of #8925 sometime, thanks
[06:50] <seth_k> also how does one apply for editbugs; i've reported some and patched some... wouldn't use it a whole lot, but would be nice to mark the occasional dupe or invalid
[07:24] <Mitario> mornin everyone
[07:24] <Mitario> has anyone seen mdz lately?
[07:33] <jdub> Mitario: he's at debconf
[07:33] <Mitario> hmm, ok
[07:33] <Mitario> (which I think should be in breezy)
[07:37] <dilinger> Mitario: he was up a few hours ago, playing guitar
[07:37] <dilinger> 's what i'm told, anyways
[07:37] <Mitario> ah
[07:37] <Mitario> well yeah i knew he was busy with debconf, but i was hoping for my e-mail to peak trough his work schedule :)
[07:38] <Mitario> and since michael vogt is on vacation now :/
[07:38] <Mitario> and upstream version freeze is in place..
[07:39] <whiprush> seth_k: marked. see /topic on #ubuntu-bugs for the edit bugs thing.
[07:46] <Mitario> when will debconf be over?
[08:39] <davyd> what is messed up with xlibs-42?
[08:46] <sivang> hi all
[09:29] <\sh> morning
[09:33] <pef> hi
[09:34] <lamont-away> xorg_6.8.2-42_hppa.changes
[09:34] <Lathiat> heh
[09:34] <lamont-away> (it replaces -32, which was the last one that built
[09:34] <siretart> any buildd admin available?
[09:35] <lamont-away> siretart: sup?
[09:35] <siretart> Can someone check http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/c/cpphs/0.7-2ubuntu1/
[09:35] <\sh> hmm
[09:35] <siretart> lamont: the package builds on my pbuilder, but not in sbuild. I think there is some manual intervention needed, but I'm not that sure about this
[09:36] <siretart> it tries to install ghc6 (which is not installable), but has hugs as alternative (which is)
[09:36] <lamont> those are totally whacked build-deps, but that shouldn't prevent it...
[09:36] <siretart> the whole process is because of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGhc6Transition
[09:36] <lamont> ghc6 is in the archive, and listed first, so sbuild tries it.
[09:36] <lamont> pbuilder does it in the reverse order.
[09:36] <lamont> have we mentioned recently that or'ed build-deps are evil?
[09:36] <siretart> ghc6 is broken
[09:37] <lamont> right
[09:37] <lamont> what
[09:37] <lamont> what's broken about it?
[09:37] <siretart> lamont: this is designed by the debian maintainer. should I change that?
[09:37] <siretart> ghc6 is uninstallable because there is no libgmp3 anymore available
[09:37] <lamont> well, in _theory_ the first package listed in the or-list is preferred.
[09:37] <siretart> it was renamed to libgmp3c2
[09:38] <lamont> is ghc6 buildable?
[09:38] <siretart> it build depends on ghc6
[09:38] <siretart> :/
[09:38] <\sh> wow..my spamassasin is so good to me, it filters spam from debian-devel..clever
[09:38] <siretart> so we try to work around this, sistpoty did create ghc6-bootstrap package
[09:38] <lamont> that would be most cool
[09:38] <siretart> but this needs other build dependencies, e.g. cpphs
[09:39] <siretart> the status for this is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGhc6Transition
[09:39] <lamont> and so it's really still circular
[09:39] <siretart> cpphs builds with hugs!
[09:39] <lamont> too late here for me to coherently think about working on it tonight.....
[09:39] <siretart> oh
[09:40] <lamont> if hugs would be preferable (and break the circle)... then an upload with hugs listed first would be a solution
[09:40] <siretart> hugs is an alternative to ghc6, cpphs need either ghc6 or hugs, (ghc6 preffered, of course)
[09:40] <lamont> and btw, the new charlie and the chocolate factory movie is sick.  Highly recommended
[09:40] <\sh> and to early to get my X running again..
[09:40] <siretart> lamont: ok, then I'll prepare a new transitional cpphs package. right?
[09:41] <lamont> E: Package hugs has no installation candidate
[09:41] <lamont> that's on {i386,ppc,ia64}, at least
[09:42] <siretart> damn
[09:43] <siretart> err
[09:43] <lamont> worst case is to come up with a set of .debs and a sequence of builds that will produce success.  Provide me with those and I'll make it happen.  The ideal is to have it just happen in the archive/autobuilders.  but I fear we may need to re-bootstrap ghc6
[09:43] <siretart> in my breezy chroot, there is hugs
[09:43] <lamont> oh...
[09:43] <lamont> my bad.
[09:43] <lamont> probably just have main in the sources.list on those chroots.
[09:43] <siretart> yes, this is universe stuff
[09:43] <lamont> so an upload of cpphs listing hugs first might be all that is needed
[09:44] <siretart> ok. on my way
[09:44] <lamont> but if you do that, please _leave_ it that way for a good long time...
[09:45] <lamont> that is, if you build cpphs with hugs, does it then Depend: hugs, or does ghc6 provide the same virtual package (if any Depend is present)???
[09:45] <siretart> will check that, but I don't think so
[09:45] <siretart> cpphs uploaded
[09:46] <siretart> lamont: the idea is to get cpphs and haskell-utils built without any need of ghc6, which seems possible
[09:47] <siretart> lamont: after that we try to build ghc6-bootstrap (a completly new package packaged by sistpoty), which can build ghc6 itself
[09:51] <siretart> ok, it got accepted. now let's see what the autobuilders do ;)
[09:57] <lamont> siretart: part of my desire here is that sparc and hppa just work when they finally get that far...
[09:58] <siretart> lamont: I see. the way described on MOTUGhc6Transition should allow that. if you have any objections, feel free to give us cluebats ;)
[09:59] <lamont> ok.  I'll try to remember to give it a read tomorrow...  of course, if I actually even knew what ghc6 was (other than in rough conceptual terms), I might actually care...
[09:59] <lamont> care more.  I meant to say more. :-)
[09:59] <siretart> :)
[09:59] <\sh> lol
[10:00] <siretart> ghc6 is the most grown up haskell implementation available
[10:00] <lamont> right.  so if I knew anything about what haskell is......
[10:00] <siretart> nearly everything which is written in haskell (darcs and whitspace to name prominent examples) build depend on ghc6
[10:00] <siretart> :)
[10:00] <siretart> ok
[10:00] <siretart> gotta do more stuff here. *wave*
[10:06] <lamont> enjoy
[10:06] <Kamion> Riddell: the seeds aren't always the same between Ubuntu and Kubuntu/Edubuntu though - in particular the seeds looked at by the ./update script are almost certainly not the same
[10:09] <Kamion> aargh
[10:09] <Kamion> Riddell: 'chmod g+w /home/warthogs/archives/kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/patch-*' on chinstrap please
[10:09] <Kamion> then I can do this merge ...
[10:12] <lamont> Riddell: and fix your umask, too. :-)
[10:13] <nomeata> Hi. Is there a list of souces for Ubuntu's universe?
[10:14] <daniels> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/universe/source/Sources.gz?
[10:17] <nomeata> daniels: no, I'm looking for the origins of the packages. There is debian unstable, but supposedly, there are more
[10:17] <jdub> tjere
[10:17] <jdub> there aren't much more
[10:17] <jdub> and the extras we have are in main
[10:18] <jdub> if anywhere
[10:18] <jdub> well
[10:18] <jdub> that's not entirely true
[10:18] <nomeata> so there are more :-)
[10:18] <Kamion> there're a few bits in multiverse actually
[10:18] <Kamion> but it's like marillat, apt-get.org, blah
[10:18] <jdub> there are a bunch of other things in multi-- yeah
[10:18] <nomeata> Kamion: only multiverse? So universe is a proper subset of debian unstable?
[10:18] <bob2> no
[10:19] <Kamion> making set-theoretic claims about a distribution is kind of tricky
[10:19] <Kamion> there were some new packages introduced into universe by the universe maintainers
[10:20] <nomeata> ok, I rephrase: For all package in universe, that have not originated from debian unstable, where do they come from.
[10:20] <maswan> jdub: poked jbailey yet? :)
[10:20] <nomeata> Ok, so it is either debian unstable, or manual upload by MOTU?
[10:20] <Kamion> where do packages in unstable come from? (same answer.)
[10:20] <jdub> maswan: yeah, i'll poke again :)
[10:20] <maswan> jdub: ta
[10:20] <nomeata> Kamion: well, unstable does not autmatically pull from anywhere. while universe seemts to (from unstable, in this case)
[10:21] <Kamion> nomeata: I *think* that's true at the moment but I'd have to run a full comparison to be sure
[10:21] <nomeata> Kamion: thanks. Is there a list of manually uplaoded packages, that are not in unstable?
[10:21] <Kamion> no, not without essentially performing the set subtraction yourself
[10:21] <Kamion> you could go look at the archives of the *-changes lists and get it that way
[10:21] <jdub> would packages.ubuntu.com have something that could determine that?
[10:22] <Kamion> oh, also anything with a version number matching *ubuntu* was manually uploaded
[10:22] <Kamion> that's the mechanism by which we suppress auto-syncing
[10:22] <jdub> though some of our packages don't have that
[10:22] <nomeata> Kamion: ah, that's a nice tipp
[10:24] <Kamion> jdub: right, some - I think that's mostly main rather than universe, though I haven't checked
[10:24] <nomeata> this should do the job,right: lynx -source http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/universe/source/Sources.gz|zcat|grep-dctrl -FVersion ubuntu -s Package
[10:25] <Kamion> that'll get you most of them, but (a) isn't guaranteed to include everything, (b) will also include packages from unstable/whatever that we've modified
[10:25] <nomeata> ok, thanks
[10:25] <jdub> nomeata: that will only really tell you about packages with ubuntu changes
[10:26] <nomeata> jdub: so not packages that are uploaded to ubuntu directly?
[10:27] <Kamion> some of those too - many get *-0ubuntu1
[10:28] <jdub> everything with ubuntu in the version number is uploaded directly
[10:28] <jdub> but it doesn't guarantee they're exclusive to ubuntu at all, far from it
[10:29] <jdub> it really means "changed by ubuntu", and i don't think we've made sure that *all* exclusive to ubuntu packages have it in their version number
[10:29] <jdub> or even that there's any special origin or anything
[10:29] <\sh> daniels: sorry to bug u, but any workaround for "fatal error: ca't find ffixed font" which I didn't try out already?
[10:32] <\sh> daniels: ok..the last shot was correct...missing link to /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc 
[10:33] <cat> ):D
[10:33] <\sh> thx to cat...I owe him some beer..
[10:33] <cat> yeah i'm gonna go read a lil bit check you later \sh a pleasured to meet ya
[10:34] <\sh> cat: thx for u r help...sometimes someone doesn't see the forrest with all those trees in front of it
[10:34] <cat> true
[10:35] <\sh> ok..switching to work mode ;)
[10:37] <nomeata> ok, thanks guys. this command seems to give me packages missing in debian (run on debian): for package in  $(cat /tmp/Sources|grep-dctrl -FVersion ubuntu -s Package|cut -c10-); do apt-cache search --names-only $package |grep -q . || echo $package ; done
[11:13] <lamont> g'night
[11:18] <Riddell> Kamion: g+w done (and I'm sure I had my umask set...)
[11:23] <TPC> I thougt this keyboard layout problem was supposed to be fixed, but after just updating my breezy test machine I get it again
[11:23] <TPC> it defaults to us layoyut, and if I try to change to a Swedish one it crashes
[11:24] <TPC> so now I can only type a to z the way I\m used to
[11:24] <TPC> I am
[11:24] <TPC> see, can t even shorten things like that
[11:24] <TPC> just reporting that its broken again
[11:27] <TPC> here is a screenshot of the error: http://www.tpwch.com/temp/error.png
[11:27] <TPC> is there some better place to report this -questionmark-
[11:28] <bob2> the bts...
[01:53] <seb128> thom: roooh
[01:54] <seb128> thom: no way! 
[01:54] <thom> the new upload appears to work, fwiw
[01:54] <seb128> I knew it, you do an upload for something and next day people point you as new maintainer :p
[01:55] <seb128> thom: nice :) But some people start asking why we don't have 1.0.5 :/
[01:55] <thom> seb128: heh
[02:15] <chrissturm> will gtk 2.7 land in breezy?
[02:16] <seb128> when upstream state that GNOME 2.12 will use 2.8
[02:16] <chrissturm> and thats not decided yet?
[02:16] <seb128> they are not sure between 2.6 and 2.8 (though it seems that 2.8 will be fine)
[02:16] <seb128> no
[02:16] <seb128> you can use my people.ubuntu.com page to get i
[02:16] <seb128> i386 packages
[02:16] <chrissturm> cool
[02:16] <tseng> seb128: fonts seem odd with 2.8
[02:16] <seb128> tseng: no bug, no fix
[02:17] <seb128> they are fine here ...
[02:17] <seb128> what's wrong with your fonts?
[02:17] <tseng> they are much larger than with 2.6
[02:17] <tseng> at the same dpi
[02:18] <seb128> they don't use the dpi setting
[02:18] <seb128> that's a known issue
[02:18] <tseng> figured as much.
[02:19] <seb128> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305391
[02:19] <tseng> rock.
[02:20] <ogra> seb128, did you recognize that xscreensaver stops working as soon as you have gnome-screensaver installed ? even if xscreensaver runs, locking doesnt work for me... seems they clash soehow
[02:21] <seb128> GNOME starts xscreensaver
[02:21] <seb128> it needs a patch to use gnome-screensaver
[02:21] <seb128> but killing xscreensaver before starting gnome-screensaver works fine here
[02:21] <ogra> yep, but xscreensaver doesnt work anymore...
[02:22] <thom> yeah, the hinting seems very different
[02:22] <mdke> just out of interest, is anyone developing a grub configuration tool @gnome/ubuntu?
[02:22] <seb128> ogra: maybe they should conflict yep
[02:23] <seb128> mdke: gnome-system-tools has one, but it needs to be fixed to handle the autogenerated format for update-grub
[02:23] <ogra> mdke, GraphicalConfigTools has a minimal one.... i didnt move it to breezy yet and am not sure if i find the time
[02:23] <mdke> thanks
[02:23] <mdke> so basically, help needed
[02:24] <seb128> always welcome
[02:24] <seb128> same as for patches :)
[02:24] <ogra> mdke, not really, i have a bounty student who should care for it
[02:24] <mdke> ah good
[02:24] <seb128> ogra: fixing the gst one or reinventing the wheel ?
[02:24] <ogra> and his ndiswrapper gui is ready soon, so he'll be out of order then :)
[02:24] <mdke> eugh
[02:24] <chrissturm> what about "boot manager settings" in breezy. isnt that some kind of grub config? :)
[02:24] <ogra> seb128, fixing either of them
[02:24] <mdke> grub > ndiswrapper ;)
[02:25] <seb128> chrissturm: that's it
[02:25] <chrissturm> whats the problem with it?
[02:25] <ogra> mdke, but ndiswrapper was good for training pygtk skills... its a simple fileselector for the .inf file
[02:26] <mdke> all good
[02:26] <ogra> now he's ready for something bigger :)
[02:26] <mdke> heh
[02:26] <mdke> ogra has an apprentice
[02:26] <ogra> seb128, i dont like the gst one, too many options to break your system....
[02:27] <ogra> seb128, while in fact you only need two options to adjust... timeout and default OS
[02:27] <ogra> (for grub)
[02:27] <mdke> hmm
[02:27] <ogra> mdke, ?
[02:28] <mdke> my grub menu had two copies of everything after i installed a breezy partition. i would have used a graphical tool to remove the duplicates
[02:28] <ogra> mdke, but you know what youre doing
[02:28] <mdke> debateable
[02:28] <mdke> but i know what you mean
[02:28] <chrissturm> mdke, dont you have system/administration/boot ?
[02:28] <ogra> mdke, imagine you remove the wrong one :)
[02:29] <mdke> chrissturm, i'm on hoary so I haven't looked yet
[02:29] <mdke> ogra, true
[02:29] <chrissturm> ogra, just dont let him remove the one that he is currently running
[02:30] <ogra> that was my main concern with bum.... thesaltydog wasnt to convince that he should supress the option to remove udev, else i would have promoted it for main inclusion
[02:30] <mdke> ogra, i guess you could put in the ability to change colours and other such things in the grub config
[02:30] <ogra> chrissturm, yes, good idea, but gst doesnt provide uch functionallity yet
[02:31] <ogra> mdke, sure.... everything that doesnt break your system is fine
[02:31] <mdke> passwords, hiddenmenu, timeout, colour, default OS
[02:31] <ogra> yep
[02:47] <Keybuk> Kamion: ping?
[03:06] <opi> smurfix: ping, are you there? :-)
[03:07] <smurfix> opi: not really
[03:07] <smurfix> anything important?
[03:07] <opi> smurfix: not really, I just wanted to ask you for planet.ubuntu-pl.org IN A ;)
[03:07] <opi> smurfix: but that's low pri, if you have something more important
[03:08] <smurfix> opi: send email please
[03:08] <opi> smurfix: I'll pas
[03:08] <opi> smurfix: OK, have fun
[03:08] <smurfix> opi: I'm going to take my hammock, two trees, and a few hours ;-)
[03:08] <opi> smurfix: looks like hi priority task to me
[03:08] <smurfix> opi: exactly ;-)
[03:08] <opi> smurfix: throw a beer, too ;)
[03:09] <opi> OK, off with me
[03:10] <ogra> smurfix, have fun :)
[03:26] <\sh> ogra: hammock? translate ,-) i'm too lazy right now ;)
[03:26] <ogra> haengematte
[03:26] <\sh> hmm....
[03:26] <ogra> \sh, have you seen this ? http://www.ubuntu-de.org/viewtopic.php?t=3759&highlight=thunderbird
[03:27] <\sh> ogra: I'm not in this forum business ;)
[03:27] <ogra> "...the taskbar has a buttonbar to switch between 4 monitors in the lower right.... why do they include it? i only have one monitor..." *g*
[03:29] <davyd> I think GNOME could really benefit from better documentation for some of these things
[03:29] <\sh> well..yes...read on my german weblog...there is link...and that's really annoying to read for 2005
[03:29] <ogra> "a very important folder is 'etc' , from the latin 'et cetera' thats the folder where programmers put all the stuff they dont know where to put durig development... thus you will also find some important files here..."
[03:30] <davyd> where is that from?
[03:31] <dilinger> i'd put $5 down on slashdot
[03:31] <ogra> "the files from the CDROM are copied into the /dev/cdrom folder, dev stands for 'development' this shall show that the cdrom support in linux is still under development and not stable..."
[03:31] <ogra> davyd, http://www.ubuntu-de.org/viewtopic.php?t=3759&highlight=thunderbird
[03:32] <ogra> the german ubuntu forum... but quotes from a linux help site...http://linuxpraxis.li.funpic.de/
[03:33] <ogra> "linux uses harddisks as virtual images but since you even cant access these as root directly you need a image manipulation program like the gimp to make them accessible..."
[03:34] <jdub> ?!
[03:34] <jdub> creative
[03:34] <ogra> ^^ my favorite... :)
[03:41] <davyd> too many years of working in IT support taught me that all manner of things are awfully serious
[03:41] <davyd> particularly to managing directors, who seem incapable of comprehending the fact that something malicious might be able to ask questions of him, that somehow aren't identified as that software
[03:41] <tseng> much better.
[03:41] <infinity> ogra : Please tell me this is a joke.
[03:48] <\sh> tseng: wow...now the reiser looks like my xfs ,-)
[03:49] <tseng> \sh: me? reiser? no thanks.
[03:50] <davyd> 1000% more elite then any competing filesystem
[03:51] <davyd> incidently, my breezy installs are a little hosed, I hope I don't lose power before I can fix them up
[03:51] <davyd> if this was Debian, our Sunday morning and Monday morning were always the best time for new code
[03:52] <davyd> I've never noticed a trend with Ubuntu
[03:52] <tseng> davyd: !weekend
[03:52] <tseng> the canonical dudes burn most of the oil during the working week
[03:52] <davyd> yeah, I live in fear that it's going to be Wednesday or Thursday before I feel I can reboot
[03:53] <tseng> you cant reboot?
[03:53] <davyd> there are currently things running in memory
[03:53] <davyd> that the installed versions are a little fucked up
[03:53] <\sh> davyd: if u speak about Xorg...I think with 1mio bucks for daniels...you will get Xorg working tomorrow ,-)
[03:53] <davyd> \sh: I asked him if there was a Melbourne based mail order liquor store
[03:53] <lsuactiafner> is there an app that reinitialises the display, like when you lose the console running x and going back to console brings the console up again...
[03:54] <davyd> there would be a six pack from Mr James Squire heading his way
[03:54] <bytee_> he's not in melbourne atm, i think
[03:54] <davyd> man, he gets around... where is he?
[03:54] <\sh> davyd: well...I got it running..after some hours 
[03:54] <\sh> 34h now
[03:55] <davyd> \sh: this is the xlibs uninstallableness?
[03:55] <\sh> davyd: this is xlibs, xbase-clients, and font problems again..
[03:55] <davyd> \sh: is it an easy fix once you know?
[03:55] <\sh> install xlibs 6.8.2-36, and xbase-clients
[03:56] <\sh> apt-pin xlibs to this version
[03:56] <\sh> install the apps from utils
[03:56] <\sh> xutils
[03:56] <\sh> old version as well :)
[03:56] <davyd> is there an ubuntu version of snapshot?
[03:56] <Mez> davud - the screencaprture program ?
[03:56] <\sh> then create a link from /usr/share/X11/fonts/misc to /usr/lib/X11/fonts/
[03:56] <\sh> update your xorg.conf
[03:56] <Mez> davyd *
[03:57] <davyd> Mez: no, snapshot.debian.net
[03:57] <\sh> change your fontsettings to match /usr/lib/X11/fonts/*
[03:57] <\sh> and hopefully it starts without german keyboard ,-) 
[03:57] <davyd> since I only installed this machine, I don't have older packages in my cache
[03:58] <\sh> davyd: read ubuntu-devel...there is a mail with the links to old packages
[03:58] <davyd> cheers
[04:01] <Lathiat> http://morgue.ubuntu.com
[04:01] <davyd> \sh: one of those is architecture dependant
[04:01] <davyd> Lathiat: oh, nice
[04:02] <Lathiat> :) handy
[04:02] <Lathiat> im just waiting for daniels to unbreak it for me
[04:02] <davyd> it appears to only go up to march
[04:23] <bddebian> Hello
[04:23] <Lathiat> seb128: know about file:/// urls nto working?
[04:24] <seb128> "nautilus file:///usr" works here, just tried
[04:24] <Lathiat> seb128: try gnome-open
[04:24] <seb128> I guess "no" 
[04:24] <seb128> gnome-open is not made for that
[04:24] <Lathiat> well, places->blah doesnt work
[04:25] <seb128> it works for me
[04:25] <Lathiat> and gives the same error that doesnt for me anyway
[04:25] <Lathiat> ok
[04:25] <Lathiat> what woudl be good debugging info?
[04:25] <seb128> try with an another user
[04:25] <seb128> I would blame a gconf setting
[04:25] <Lathiat> i get "There is no default action associated with thsi location"
[04:25] <Lathiat> righto
[04:26] <seb128> have you set a "/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/file" or some such b0rker
[04:26] <seb128> ?
[04:26] <Lathiat> i dont have one
[04:27] <Lathiat> and it doesnt exist in /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults either
[04:27] <Lathiat> so no
[04:30] <Lathiat> bleh, xnest adn gdmflexiserver are broken
[04:31] <Lathiat> broken with another user too
[04:32] <wasabi> It can be considered a milestone when I actually start using Nautilus for everyday tasks, instead of popping open the terminal.
[04:32] <seb128> Lathiat: good luck to debug, there is no such bug upstream or on the ubuntu bugzilla and that works fine for me
[04:33] <Lathiat> seb128: right, hence my question, what woudl be good debugging info, as i have no idea
[04:34] <Lathiat> wasabi: heh
[04:34] <seb128> Lathiat: "gnomevfs-info file:///usr"?
[04:34] <seb128> what is "MIME type"/"Default app"
[04:34] <Lathiat> want th e toutput?
[04:35] <Lathiat> ahh
[04:35] <Lathiat> it is
[04:35] <Lathiat> x-directory/normal, default ap... dont see one
[04:35] <seb128> what distro do you use?
[04:35] <Lathiat> ubuntu breezy...
[04:35] <seb128> "dpkg -l libgnomevfs2-common" ?
[04:35] <Lathiat> 2.11.3-0ubuntu1
[04:36] <wasabi> gnomevfs-info doesn't show default app for me either.
[04:36] <seb128> update to 2.11.4
[04:36] <wasabi> heh
[04:36] <seb128> it doesn't build probably if you guys don't have it :p
[04:36] <Lathiat> broken X stuff might be holding back an update
[04:36] <Lathiat> yeh
[04:36] <Lathiat> this broken X stuff is holding back the update
[04:37] <seb128> no, it FTFBS http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gnome-vfs2/2.11.4-0ubuntu1/
[04:37] <Lathiat> ah
[04:39] <seb128> Lathiat: grep directory /usr/share/applications/nautilus-folder-handler.desktop ?
[04:39] <Lathiat> nothing
[04:41] <seb128> that's the issue
[04:41] <seb128> dpkg -S /usr/share/applications/nautilus-folder-handler.desktop ?
[04:41] <Lathiat> nautilus
[04:41] <seb128> grumpf
[04:41] <seb128> you have edited this file?
[04:42] <Lathiat> nope
[04:42] <seb128> grep MimeType /usr/share/applications/nautilus-folder-handler.desktop
[04:42] <Lathiat> MimeType=x-directory/gnome-default-handler;x-directory/normal;inode/directory
[04:42] <Lathiat> i make a point of not editing systme config files
[04:42] <seb128> hum
[04:42] <seb128> so grep is b0rked
[04:43] <seb128> it's not able to find "directory" on a line with several instance of the word
[04:43] <seb128> interesting
[04:43] <Lathiat> erm
[04:43] <Lathiat> actually it works now
[04:43] <Lathiat> maybe i mis-spelt it
[04:43] <seb128> ?
[04:43] <seb128> gnome-open works?
[04:43] <seb128> or grep?
[04:44] <Lathiat> grep
[04:44] <seb128> do you use an i386?
[04:44] <Lathiat> yes
[04:44] <Lathiat> err no i spelt directory right
[04:44] <Lathiat> but.. it shows up now
[04:44] <Lathiat> oh
[04:44] <Lathiat> whoah
[04:44] <seb128> what?
[04:44] <Lathiat> archer:/usr/share/applications> grep directory nautilus-folder-handler.desktop
[04:44] <Lathiat> MimeType=x-directory/gnome-default-handler;x-directory/normal;inode/directory
[04:44] <Lathiat> archer:/usr/share/applications> grep /usr/share/applications/directory nautilus-folder-handler.desktop
[04:45] <Lathiat> zsh: 31443 exit 1     egrep /usr/share/applications/directory nautilus-folder-handler.desktop
[04:45] <Lathiat> wtf is with that
[04:45] <Lathiat> eh
[04:45] <Lathiat> somethings screwing with my commands
[04:45] <Lathiat> hrm
[04:45] <seb128> grep /usr/share/applications/directory nautilus-folder-handler.desktop
[04:45] <seb128> no
[04:45] <Lathiat> yes i know
[04:45] <Lathiat> nm that
[04:45] <seb128> grep directoy <path>
[04:45] <Lathiat> dunno how i did that twice
[04:46] <Lathiat> ah
[04:46] <Lathiat> X is reaking havoc on my keyboard
[04:46] <seb128> wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/gnomevfs-info
[04:46] <Lathiat> and randomly tab works, and randomly it prints a tab
[04:46] <seb128> ./gnomevfs-info file:///usr
[04:46] <seb128> and "Default app"?
[04:46] <Lathiat> nautilus-folder-handler.desktop
[04:47] <Lathiat> whoah wtf, now its working opening directorys
[04:47] <Lathiat> this is screwed
[04:47] <seb128> bong
[04:47] <seb128> let's say we have fixed it :p
[04:47] <Lathiat> uh
[04:47] <Lathiat> yeh
[04:47] <Lathiat> maybe something ran a postinst that hadnt ran before
[04:47] <Lathiat> not that i can see anything
[04:48] <Lathiat> thanks, sorry for the hassle
[04:48] <seb128> np
[05:08] <jsgotangco> good night
[06:51] <lamont> doh
[06:51] <lamont> _6_ not _8_
[06:51] <lamont> nm
[06:51] <Treenaks> lamont: i368?
[06:52] <lamont> no. 1.7.6 not 1.7.8 (which is current)
[07:12] <mjg59> I've written usplash
[07:12] <jdub> mjg59: yay!
[07:12] <jdub> mjg59: you crazy fucker!
[07:14] <sladen> mjg59: dude you rock!
[07:14] <mjg59> 169 lines of code
[07:15] <jdub> surely you jest
[07:16] <sivang> mjg59: is the laptops testing give away still on? ;-) (now that I catch you here)
[07:17] <pef> libqt3c102-mt-mysql is replaced by libqt3-mt-mysql right ?
[07:18] <Lathiat_> other way around
[07:19] <sladen> jdub: splatter, fifo watcher and watchdog
[07:20] <Riddell> how does someone get edit privilages on bugzilla?
[07:20] <robitaille> Riddell:  ask mdz or ogra
[07:20] <Riddell> there you go seth_k 
[07:20] <seth_k> righto Riddell 
[07:27] <\sh> pef: let me build libqt3 first :) i adjusted the build-deps...and if this is fine...i send riddell the diffs
[07:28] <pef> \sh: ok, it's because I've found a package with this old dependency
[07:29] <\sh> pef: put it on UnmetDeps
[07:30] <Riddell> pef: yes, libqt3c102-mt-mysql is replaced by libqt3-mt-mysql
[07:30] <bddebian> libqt3 is a PITA
[07:30] <Riddell> bddebian: how so?
[07:31] <bddebian> A lot of dependencies.  At least it was a PITA building on GNU/Hurd :-)
[07:32] <Kamion> Riddell: ok, Kubuntu seeds fixed up
[07:32] <pef> \sh: already in, but can I correct this then upload a new version ?
[07:32] <Kamion> thanks
[07:32] <schweeb> mjg59: any status on sata suspend?  i saw a patch on lkml, haven't yet had the time to try it yet
[07:33] <\sh> pef: sure..w8 for new libqt3 ,-)
[07:33] <mjg59> schweeb: It's not currently mergable
[07:33] <pef> breezy-changes
[07:34] <pef> breezy-changes
[07:34] <pef> \sh: when you have done I will be announce on 
[07:34] <pef> oups :)
[07:34] <mjg59> It breaks other things
[07:34] <mjg59> I'll be looking into that shortly
[07:34] <schweeb> okay
[07:35] <schweeb> need any help testing, I'm more than happy to... just ping me
[07:39] <infinity> mjg59 : If you need a lab rat, I just got an SATA laptop.
[07:40] <infinity> mjg59 : I'm also very good at performing repetitive tasks for very little reward.
[07:41] <seth_k> food pellets?
[07:41] <daniels> it's true.  i've made him run through mazes for no apparent reason before.  good entertainment.
[07:42] <schweeb> infinity: lol
[07:42] <schweeb> infinity: which laptop?
[07:42] <schweeb> mine's an X41
[07:42] <daniels> schweeb: some battletank
[07:42] <infinity> schweeb : T43.
[07:42] <schweeb> so, similar hardware
[07:42] <schweeb> <3 IBM
[07:42] <infinity> Quite likely, yes.
[07:48] <\sh> my laptop is burning in this heat compiling qt
[08:15] <highvolt1ge> before it's too late to play i've-got-a-thinkpad-too, i have a T42 :)
[08:29] <tseng> Kamion: do you have to approve universe syncs?
[08:42] <sivang> seb128: hey Seb, just before posting the source pkg somehwere so you can download, do configure.ac changes need go inside a debian/patch or is it ok to just have the source build include it?
[09:49] <opi> smurfix: are you still busy? :)
[11:04] <trygvebw> evening
[11:05] <trygvebw> i see that the xorg fix has been uploaded, but i can't find anything in dist-upgrade. is there a special package i need to install?
[11:06] <seth_k> I think that message is old
[11:06] <seth_k> last version of Xorg that really works is -36
[11:06] <seth_k> -42 is still death
[11:07] <trygvebw> oh
[11:07] <trygvebw> :(
[11:07] <trygvebw> so is there anyway i could fix my xorg installation, or do i have to boot into my old hoary install? :p
[11:10] <schweeb> do you have your packages in your apt archives?
[11:10] <schweeb> /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:10] <trygvebw> probably not :(
[11:10] <schweeb> the older versions should still be inthere
[11:10] <trygvebw> hm
[11:10] <schweeb> unless you explicitly cleared them out
[11:10] <trygvebw> what packages should i install?
[11:11] <schweeb> or it's a new install
[11:11] <trygvebw> from there?
[11:11] <schweeb> you'll have to manually dpkg -i the older X packages from there
[11:11] <schweeb> any more info than that, and you should probably ask in #ubuntu
[11:12] <trygvebw> :(
[11:12] <trygvebw> ok
[11:12] <trygvebw> thanks for the help :] 
[11:30] <lamont> hrmpf.
[11:30] <lamont> no mdz.  no elmo.
[11:31] <lamont> jdub!
[11:31] <\sh> but qt built
[11:31] <\sh> *dancetheqtdance*
[11:31] <lamont> \sh: really?
[11:32] <lamont> qt-x11-free is d-w libglu-dev-xorg (>=6.8.2-42) for me....
[11:32] <lamont> Kamion: you about?
[11:32] <\sh> lamot: ubuntu8 ;)
[11:32] <\sh> not 7 anymore
[11:32] <lamont> ah, woot
[11:33] <highvolt1ge> when is debconf over?
[11:33] <\sh> apt-get update fast...qt is hot and spicy now.tomorrow 
[11:33] <highvolt1ge> mdz and elmo really need to come back.
[11:33] <Nafallo> amd64 needs to come back ;-)
[11:34] <\sh> hmm...I wonder if kdelibs4 builds now...
[11:34] <lamont> Nafallo: that's dep-wait: elmo
[11:34] <\sh> *laptopburningtime*
[11:35] <Nafallo> lamont: I know. I'm not sure it's a bad thing they are down. I still got working X :-)
[11:36] <lamont> hehe
[11:36] <Nafallo> \sh++
[11:36] <\sh> kicking kdelibs4 through the hell of the buildd ,-)
[11:37] <\sh> riddell: dch -i and kick it please ,-)
[11:43] <lamont> \sh: if it's ftbfs already, just have me kick it
[11:44] <\sh> lamont: I think it was only because of qt...cause right now my pbuilder is saying: yes 
[11:44] <\sh> lamont: i can't upload 
[11:44] <\sh> give me 3 hours ,-)
[11:44] <eruin> gnome-keyboard-properties crashes when I try to add a new keyboard layout... I guess this is due to X being broken... should I hold submitting a bug about it?
[11:45] <lamont> actually, kdelibs is marked as "Installed"
[11:45] <lamont> or does it need a rebuild to be installable?
[11:45] <\sh> yes
[11:45] <Gnobody> does x work in Breezy yet after a dist-upgrade?
[11:45] <\sh> rebuild
[11:45] <eruin> Gnobody, yes
[11:45] <Amaranth> Gnobody: sort of
[11:45] <\sh> well..strange
[11:45] <Amaranth> Gnobody: did you get my PM?
[11:45] <Gnobody> sort of?
[11:45] <Gnobody> yes
[11:45] <Amaranth> Gnobody: You need xbase-clients 6.8.2-36
[11:46] <eruin> Gnobody, your keyboard might get toasted... some packages are still missing
[11:46] <Amaranth> which you can't get from the archives anymore
[11:46] <Gnobody> oh
[11:46] <lamont> Amaranth: rooting around on morgue.ubuntu.com can be productive
[11:46] <Amaranth> If I said I had a window 'with all the chrome turned on' to you guys, would you know what I meant?
[11:46] <Amaranth> lamont: irc logs and the forums produce about 10 mirrors of it as well
[11:48] <\sh> strange...
[11:49] <Gnobody> Amaranth does "chrome" involve nude pictures of the girl from Lacuna Coil?
[11:49] <Amaranth> no...
[11:50] <Gnobody> damn
[11:50] <Amaranth> and nude pictures of her don't exist
[11:50] <eruin> Gnobody, down boy!
[11:50] <Gnobody> are you sure
[11:50] <Gnobody> ?
[11:50] <Amaranth> yeah, pretty sure
[11:50] <Gnobody> damn my life is screwed then
[11:50] <\sh> looks like we need to rebuild kdelibs4 
[11:51] <highvoltage> Gnobody: I think if you're in ubuntu-devel you're not supposed to have much of a life to begin with ;)
[11:51] <Gnobody> ;)
[11:51] <Gnobody> Damn free software and it's lack of fun
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[11:52] <highvoltage> Gnobody: free software is fun!
[11:52] <Gnobody> yeah
[11:55] <Gnobody> free software sex goes something like this: mount /dev/mounter /media/bush ; fsck ; unzip thestuff.zip ; fsck ; umount /media/bush ; slocate pants
[11:55] <highvoltage> hehe
[11:55] <Gnobody> in a root terminal of course
[11:55] <highvoltage> no no no.
[11:56] <Gnobody> ?
[11:56] <highvoltage> never do that as root. you might end up with a std.
[11:56] <Gnobody> lol
[11:56] <Gnobody> you mean fu-ware
[11:56] <highvoltage> of course.
[11:56] <Gnobody> or a windows virus in wine
[11:56] <highvoltage> you might be infected with software with an incompatible license.
[11:56] <highvoltage> we don't want that.
[11:56] <highvoltage> what will the children look like !?
[11:56] <Gnobody> eww a bsd/gpl system
[11:57] <Gnobody> what a bastard
[11:57] <highvoltage> exactly.
[11:57] <Gnobody> it would look like Darrel McBride
[11:57] <highvoltage> or a Michael Jackson.
[11:58] <highvoltage> or a Rosie O'Donnel
[11:58] <highvoltage> or a Jerry Springer
[11:58] <Gnobody> nah michael can't be as low as Darrel McBride
[11:58] <Gnobody> and talkshow hosts
[11:58] <highvoltage> ok then, Arnold Swarchenegger
[11:58] <Gnobody> agreed
[11:58] <Gnobody> eww republicans
[11:59] <highvoltage> or Britney Spears. okay, she's republican too.
[11:59] <Gnobody> really?  does she even know how to spell conservative?
[12:00] <highvoltage> No, but she can spell B.M.W.
[12:00] <highvoltage> first post, btw
[12:00] <Gnobody> she thought Canada was an "over-seas country"
[12:00] <schweeb> pretty sure politics is way off topic
[12:01] <Gnobody> Oh come on there are know republicans in free software
[12:01] <schweeb> ...
[12:01] <schweeb> I would suggest ending it at that.
[12:02] <Burgundavia> Gnobody, schweeb highvoltage this is completely offtopic for this channel, please take it elsewhere
[12:02] <Gnobody> sorry burgundavia
[12:02] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: right, sorry.
[12:02] <schweeb> Burgundavia: ... I was trying to end it.