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BurgundaviaGazer, please turn off your away notices12:14
GazerBurgundavia, ups, sorry :)12:14
Burgundavianp12:14
pefgood night !12:14
GazerBurgundavia, done : )12:14
\shok..going to bed..night gentlemen12:28
dholbachbye \sh_away12:28
dholbachbye, i'm off01:30
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Amaranthdid someone say my name?02:33
seth_k14:26, comadreja did02:53
seth_ker, that is, 5 hours and 27 minutes ago02:54
seth_kbut about you, not to you, Amaranth.02:54
Amaranthok02:54
comadreja:)03:12
comadrejayes, \sh was having X problems03:12
comadrejaI told him you helped me03:12
comadrejaI tried to help him myself, but he had some issues with fixed fonts that I didn't know how to fix03:12
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=== Amaranth is not an X guru
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ajmitchhello bddebian03:35
bddebianHeya ajmitch03:36
comadrejahey all, still awake ?03:45
schweebhiya aj03:45
tsenghi aj, schweeb03:45
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comadrejaI thought I was the oly one awake :D03:45
schweeb:p03:45
ajmitchnah03:45
tsenganyone else have a totally effed metacity?03:45
ajmitchsome of us are awake03:45
schweebcomadreja: it's 9:45 PM EST03:46
tsengamong the other X lameness03:46
schweebof course I'm awake03:46
tsengfriday++03:46
comadrejaschweeb :) but usually nobody is here at this time03:46
tsengi would normally be thinking about sleep now03:46
comadreja3:46 AM CET here03:46
comadrejaCEST03:46
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tsengtake that, mr xlibs03:50
schweebyou figured how to get it installed?03:54
tsengyes03:54
schweebwhat is the method?03:55
tsengsudo mv /etc/X11/xkb/rules/* ~/tmp03:55
tsengsudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs_6.8.2-42_all.deb03:55
tsengapt-get dist-upgrade03:55
tsengthe dpkg is just to try and get more useful output03:55
tsengwhich i think was unsuccessful, but i win anyway03:55
tsengschweeb: then restart X04:01
tsengI also had to toggle /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd in gconf04:02
tsengto sync xkb with gnome04:02
tsengschweeb: ?04:28
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schweebtseng: I deleted my xkb the other day04:35
schweebso I'm remaking all the directories04:35
schweebtook me a whlie to relearn sed04:35
tsengoh dude04:36
tsengjust reinstally xkeyboard-config04:36
=== tseng tries gtk+ 2.7
schweebmuahahah04:38
schweebxlibs04:38
tsenghm04:47
tsengthis makes font sizes seem somewhat random04:47
tsengbut it looks nice enough04:47
Amaranthyeah, it's real nice04:51
Amaranthi figure seb will have 2.7.3 any minute now, if he doesn't already04:51
Amaranthor not, he is gone for the weekend04:51
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bddebianBunch a sleepyheads :-)05:57
ajmitchexcuse me?06:03
bddebianHeya ajmitch06:03
ajmitchgood day bddebian06:05
bddebianGood day?06:05
ajmitchyes, good day06:06
bddebianIs that like G'day mate? ;-P06:06
ajmitchit is like hello06:06
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bddebianajmitch: You aren't still at work are you?06:07
ajmitchno, it is saturday06:08
bddebianOnly 8 minutes into Saturday ;-)06:08
ajmitchSat Jul 16 16:09:00 NZST 200506:09
bddebian:-)06:09
bddebianGood, go review my packages then. ;-P06:11
ajmitchjust what changes did you make for fpc?06:12
ajmitchsince the diff is empty06:13
bddebianWell that's where I'm a little lost.  It came from UniverseCandidates so I didn't think it was in the archive06:13
bddebianI didn't make any changes, I built from source06:13
ajmitchbut it was in debian?06:13
bddebianNot that I could find06:14
ajmitchwhy is there debian packaging in the source then?06:14
bddebianThe guy debianized it himself06:14
ajmitchfpc 2.0.0-2 is in unstable06:15
bddebianHmm, not on my machine06:15
bddebianStrange06:15
ajmitchhttp://packages.qa.debian.org/f/fpc.html06:15
bddebianWeird, I can see fpc-utils but not fpc in unstable06:16
bddebianI give up06:17
ajmitchwhy would you give up?06:20
bddebianIt just seems like I keep go about everything the wrong way06:21
bddebians/go/going06:21
ajmitchnah, it's all just part of learning :)06:23
bddebianIf you say so06:23
bddebianI'm heading for bed, take care man06:35
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siretartmorning07:56
siretartsistpoty is unbeleivable07:57
siretarthe packaged ghc6-bootstrap and uploaded it at 4:30 am07:57
siretartrock!07:57
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Lathiathaha08:03
siretartwith a great analysis about the ghc situation08:07
burneranyone have gnome baker .4 .deb's?08:08
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pefhi09:33
siretarthi09:34
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cathey everyone09:40
\shmorning09:42
catmorning \sh09:42
=== \sh is just to stupid to see the horizon
catoh boy i just got home from work09:45
cat3:48 am09:45
\shah :) well...I just slept 6 hours09:45
catcool,09:45
\shno not cool...09:47
cati'm a little bit tired, but i have to deal with it if i want a better pc, and a good laptop for developments,09:47
\shI just spend too many hours to get this X problem fixed...I'm too tired to find the solution ... can't find fixed font must be an easy one09:47
catexpecific bug?09:47
\shbreezy stuff...:( after I workaround the other things like empty xutils package and xbase-clients and xlibs...09:49
\sheverything is looking good...but starting failes with "fatal error: can't find fixed font"09:49
catcan u give me the link to see the complete error,09:49
\shwell...I would if I had a mouse and a copy&paste buffer...but right now no..and gpm doesn't like me09:49
catdarn it,09:50
\shI can send u an strace log09:50
catnow i have a lil bit of time,09:50
catsure, go for it,09:50
cathere or to my email09:50
cat?09:50
\shemail09:50
catok09:50
catemail is debian@comcast.ne09:50
catt09:50
\shor..w8...i didn't adjust my postfix config...that's why I hate working when I'm tired09:51
catyeah, it's a paint09:51
\shI will send it through dcc09:51
catwell i'm gonna go smoked a cig, to get ready to find the error09:51
catok hold up09:51
\shdcc is poking u :)09:52
catis it done?09:52
\shyeah09:52
catyeah (:09:53
\shand smoking a cig is a good idea :)09:53
\shand preparing some good black strong coffee09:53
catyeah brb, let's work together =) to fixed it09:53
cati will put 100 % on helping you09:53
\shback09:59
catalright10:00
cataccess("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)      = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) we need to star from there10:01
\shwell...this is not the problem :)10:02
catwell what's the problem10:02
\shthe problem starts with xinit10:03
catalright10:03
\shxinit starts to start the client app...10:04
\shand then it can't find the "fixed" fonts.10:04
catalright,10:04
\shwhich are aliased in /etc/X11/fonts/misc/xfonts-base.alias10:04
catlet's see10:06
catCould not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list!10:08
\shyes...10:08
catapt-get install x-window-system-core apt-get install x-window-system10:08
catare those packages installed?10:08
\shall installed10:08
catdpkg --status xserver-common10:09
cathow about the xfonts-base ?10:09
\sheverything is in place :)10:09
catalright,10:10
catthat's the only error?10:10
\shyes10:10
cattry and see if the pid is running /etc/init.d/xfs status10:11
\shxfs is not running .) thats why the unix/7100 is removed10:11
catwell maybe is the xfs giving you the error,10:12
\shi commented in the unix fontpath..10:13
\shsame error10:13
catalright,10:13
catlet's rebuild the fonts10:13
\shi reinstalled all font packages..mkfontdir is being called...everything looks ok10:14
catwell let's rebuild the fonts and if that doesn't help we should look in deeper,10:14
\shok...so...10:15
catgo to /etc/init.d10:15
\shin /usr/share/X11/fonts/* rebuilding...10:15
catalright,10:15
catFont list can be rebuilt using the script file xfs under /etc/init.d. Following is an excerpt of the script:10:15
\shhmm..i don't have xfs10:15
\shxfs only as fs...but not the fontserver10:16
\shmy coffeemachine just stopped to work :) nice..fresh coffee10:16
catalright, well the error may be the only reason for the failure is that the font server is dead. So, you need to restart font server like this /etc/init.d/xfs start10:18
catxfs should help alot,10:18
catin my opinion10:18
\shas I said...:) i don't have a fontserver10:18
catwell can u installed it, and see if it works10:18
catfslsfonts -server unix/:7100 -ll -fn fixed or try doing that10:19
\shhmm...xfs is installed10:19
catalright,10:19
\shalready10:20
\shbut10:20
catbut?10:20
\shthx init is wrong10:21
catis it?10:21
\shunable to open server unix/:710010:21
catalright10:21
\shand actually there is no /etc/init.d/xfs or something like that10:22
catdamn10:23
catlet me look at it carefully10:24
\shok..what I have10:24
\shfontpath is /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/*10:24
\shit was before /usr/share/X11/fonts/*10:24
\shsame behaviour10:24
catunix/:7100,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc10:24
\shdoesn't exist in usr/lib/X11/fonts/10:25
\shah...moment10:26
\shu mean linking /usr/share/X11/fonts/misc to /usr/lib/X11/fonts?10:26
catyeap10:26
\shok..lets try10:26
\shnope10:26
catsame error?10:27
\shyepp10:27
cat(**) FontPath set to "unix/:7100,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"10:29
cat(==) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"10:29
cat(==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules"10:29
catnot really?10:29
\shlets see10:30
\shso..set fontpath to /usr/lib/X11/fonts/10:31
catyeah,10:31
\shuna moooomenta10:31
\shi love u man:)10:32
cat he10:32
catthere's a solution to everything10:32
catit may take some time but i help ya and i promised ya at was gonna help ya10:32
\shhehehe this stupid font path syndrome10:33
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catyeah,10:33
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opire01:33
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golan77hi guys: what does "MOTU" stand for?02:02
jamessan|laptoptopic explains it :)02:02
golan77oh my... yeas, thanks, I just read it :-)02:02
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infinitohello04:15
infinitocan anyone tell me howto get a package into universe??04:15
infinitoi mean, where to ask or something like that04:16
ograinfinito, the UniverseCandidates wikipage04:16
infinitoi'm gonna take a look at,.....04:18
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bddebianMorning04:23
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SloMoSnailgood morning, bddebian :)04:24
SloMoSnail(even when it's late afternoon here)04:25
bddebian:-)  Hi slom04:25
bddebianerr SloMoSnail04:25
ograSloMoSnail, yes, this american slackers all sleep until afternoon, i noticed that before :)04:26
bddebianHey04:26
ogra*g*04:26
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jsgotangcohi!04:28
ograhey04:28
bddebianHello jsgotangco04:28
tsenghi04:29
jsgotangcohope your saturday is going well04:29
jsgotangcooh man im drained already i played guild wars for 3 hours straight04:36
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sistpotyhi all04:42
bddebianHello sistpoty04:43
bddebianAnyone know how I can change my password on REVU?04:43
SloMoSnailbddebian: currently not possible afaik04:43
sistpotybddebian: send a mail to siretart ;)04:44
bddebianLame :-)04:44
sistpotyi'll put it on the TODO-list ;)04:44
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hervehello04:47
sistpotyhi herve04:47
bddebianHeya herve04:48
hervegrrr my thunderbird won't start anymore04:49
bddebianDoes it have gas?04:50
bddebian;-P04:50
jsgotangcohaha04:50
\shherve: "surprise, surprise you're dead" (who sang this song?)04:51
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hervebddebian, don't know much about american cars04:52
bddebianAye, I figured as much :-)04:52
herve\sh, don't know either04:52
\shi have to look in my musik collection04:53
herveand I lost some shortcuts too04:53
hervebut now I can type question marks!04:53
\shfaith no more title "Surprise! You're dead"04:53
\shon "the real thing"04:54
hervedon't know much faith no more either :-)04:54
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bddebianYou aren't missing much04:54
\shoh faith no more was good in their early days04:55
bddebianBah04:55
bddebian:-)04:55
\shi think "epic" was one of the famous songs04:55
jsgotangcothe had good songs after that04:59
jsgotangcoeven revived a lionel ritchie song04:59
hervekewl, thunderbird back05:01
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hervehmm... malone shows bugs from main packages05:07
jsgotangcogood night all05:08
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ivokshi all05:50
ivoksi just want to say bye05:50
ivokswill see you again at the end of august...05:51
ivoksenjoy!05:51
pefivoks: bye ;)05:51
ivoksit's time for vacation05:51
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SloMoSnailhehe have fun ivoks :)05:52
ivokseh, ogra goodbye05:52
ivoks:>05:52
ivoksmaybe i drop on channel if there won't be any nice girl on beach05:52
ograflaky dsl today :-/05:52
ivoksi very doubt that, but, who knows :)05:53
schweebhiya ogra06:05
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\shwhat was the name of the page for gl packaging?06:43
Lathiat_http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition06:44
\shgot it06:44
\shthx06:44
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nnI've built packages for a few programs (pork, joe, and xmcast) as was wondering where i could submit them, i've built them for hoary at the moment07:12
\shnn: only breezy and then to siretart.tauware.de/revu07:20
nn\sh: Ahh so i should probably just set up my own repo for now07:20
nneveryone in kclug i package for runs hoary07:21
nnsince hoary is what i gave them cd's for07:21
nnthey love it so far, other than having to email me for missing packages :)07:22
hervesure but the development is for breezy07:22
herveyou should use a breezy chroot07:22
nnherve: If i had the space to i would07:22
\shnn: pbuilder is your friend :)07:23
hervenot for debugging07:24
hervewell, my sid chroot makes 479 MB, probably full of packages from previous work07:24
herveno one asked to install full ubuntu in a chroot ;-)07:25
nni'll play with it this evening07:26
nni've got a 20gb drive in a box somewhere now that i think about it07:26
nnherve: i'm part of kclug's linux advocacy project :)07:27
nnubuntu makes for a nice distro to get people using linux, since things tend to Just Work (TM)07:27
nnwe've passed out over 100 cd's of ubuntu so far07:27
HostingGeekintresting nicks..07:28
bddebianMoreso than HostingGeek? :-)07:30
nnI need to build a ubuntu sysimage later *sighs*07:30
HostingGeeknn: IMO debian is way better than ubuntu just like how a man can work a lot harder than a woman but a woman is normal more beutiful In Normal Cases... and "Eve" came from "Adam"... the same with ubnutu the woman which came from debian the man...07:30
nnI wanted to kill people while building the fc4 and debian sysimages07:30
HostingGeeknn: control your self ;)07:31
herveHostingGeek...07:31
Lathiat_HostingGeek: go play with your toys07:31
HostingGeekherve: I said ... first07:31
HostingGeekLathiat_: #ubuntu-motu is a toy (messin with ya words)07:31
Lathiat_wow your so smart im jealous07:32
herveno it's not, it's our work tool07:32
herveone of ours07:32
nnherve: sysimage is annoying, but it's how we keep users from breaking the lab machines07:32
bddebianAm I missing something here?07:32
HostingGeekLathiat_: -_- don't be jealous as I can play more with ya words07:33
hervenn, you mean you restore images of usable systems regularly07:33
herve?07:33
nnherve: Every day when the lab machines are power-cycled they reimage themselves07:33
hervehehe, reminds me my studies07:34
nnthe UPS's in the lab are cycled by a cron-job, they reimage on bootup07:34
HostingGeeknn: why not just use live cds?07:34
HostingGeekpower cycle means they reboot07:34
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nnHostingGeek: because users have a machine all day long and sometimes needs to change them, also livecd is very slow07:34
HostingGeeknn: put it on a read-only partion07:35
nnHostingGeek: Hmm07:35
tsengread-only /usr could work07:36
HostingGeekand leave +w for /var07:36
nnHostingGeek: Another thing is, at boot, you pick an OS image, presently fc4, debian (testing and sid images), and windows XP pro07:36
nnimaging doesnt take long over gigabit anyways07:36
HostingGeekyour choice07:36
pefsomeone can have a look at http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=146 and http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=147 ? this correct mainly empty packages07:37
pefso unusable :] 07:37
nnpepperspray is weak07:47
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schweebso guys, what have we got to do right now08:01
HostingGeekgoto bed08:08
HostingGeekSun Jul 17 04:09:26 EST 200508:09
HostingGeek:|08:09
chris`<:D08:11
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\shok...if riddell is uploading now qt we can go on with working08:36
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sivangdoes anybody know how do I manage configue.in changes in a package?09:15
sivangthat is,09:15
sivangI have 1 line to change in a configure.in so a package would build09:15
sivangI created a patch for it,09:15
Treenakssivang: supply a new configure.in, re-run auto*09:15
sivangTreenaks: did that,09:15
Treenakssivang: so the new stuff is in the .diff.gz09:15
sivangTreenaks: that way it works, but shouldn'09:15
sivangit be part of the patches?09:16
sivang(as in debian/patches)09:16
Treenakssivang: I don't know debian/patches stuff :)09:16
sivangTreenaks: well, seems like I will put in a new version of configure.in09:16
sivangTreenaks: don't see other way to do that09:16
sivanganyonw has an idea?09:17
DanielNmhm09:20
DanielNdoes anyone know, where i can find "tunctl" and "brctl" in the repositories?09:20
mitsuhikoDanielN: uml-utilities09:21
schweebbridge-utils for brctl09:21
DanielNoh cool09:21
Lathiat_uml-utilities has tunctl09:21
DanielNyeah09:21
Lathiat_and yeh bridge-utils is right09:21
DanielNthanks guys09:22
DanielN:)09:22
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Lathiat_schweeb: cool :)09:22
Lathiat_and cool :)09:22
DanielN:)09:22
schweebgonna mess around /w Xen next... just need to get some new hardware09:23
Lathiat_heh yeh im yet to try xen09:23
schweeblookin for dual xeon rackmounts09:23
DanielNschweeb, yep.. that's my point too, the hardware09:23
Lathiat_schweeb: get sunfires :)09:23
DanielNbut with SKAS patch it's ok for me09:23
schweebblech09:23
Lathiat_oh wait, xeon09:23
Lathiat_pff09:23
Lathiat_opteron09:23
mitsuhikoLathiat_: opteron rulez09:23
Lathiat_indeed09:23
schweebXen is fairly unstable in 64 bit mode afaik09:24
schweebI'm lookin to get an HP w/ iLO09:24
schweebvery very useful when you don't have physical access to the box09:24
DanielNyep.. we have iLO at our servers too09:25
DanielNwe're HP only09:25
Lathiat_i assume thats some kind of management interface09:25
Lathiat_to get console09:25
schweebyep09:25
schweebworks as long as the system is plugged in09:25
sivangwhat;s iLO ?09:25
schweeband can power it on and off09:25
Lathiat_nice09:25
DanielNintegratet lights out09:26
schweebintegrated lights out09:26
mitsuhikodoes anyone know how to active networking in qemu?09:26
sivangguys, could you please remind what I Need to upload in a source pkg upload?09:26
schweebDanielN: you do a lot of your own hosting, or are those your company's HPs?09:26
mitsuhikoschweeb: does your uml server run on ubuntu hoary?09:27
schweebnope09:27
schweebold old sid09:27
Lathiat_i wish the skas3 patch coudl get into ubuntu kernels09:27
Lathiat_or upstream09:28
Lathiat_damnit09:28
schweebnever happen09:28
DanielNschweeb, i'm talking about the company's server.. all HP's. here at home i've got a lazy compaq deskpro box for my servers only09:28
Lathiat_i know it wont09:28
Lathiat_it will happen when its made better09:28
Lathiat_with skas409:28
schweebright09:28
Lathiat_and the linus merges it09:28
Lathiat_but.. thats been comign a long time09:28
DanielNLathiat_, yeah.. a binary image containing skas would be nice09:29
schweebDanielN: ah, I have a ton of HP's at work... and Suns, and IBMs09:29
schweeblike 2000, to be specific ;)09:29
DanielNschweeb, ok.. we're a bit smaller at swiss parliamentary here :)09:30
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schweebDanielN: I work at chrysler,  heh09:30
DanielNgermany=09:31
DanielN?09:31
DanielNor let me guess.. netherlands?09:31
schweebno, good old Michigan, USA09:31
DanielNahh ok09:31
DanielNyou dip?09:31
schweebdip?09:31
DanielNsmokeless tobacco09:32
schweebah, nope09:32
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lamontbummer09:33
lamontditto for xmix09:34
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\shriddell: ROCK 'N' ROLL10:19
seth_k\sh: qt is all better now?10:42
\shseth_k: i hope it compiles...it compiled in my pbuilder10:44
seth_kword10:44
\shseth_k: riddell just uploaded to the buildd10:44
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\shyes10:52
\shi386 build10:52
chris`bin pennen, n811:03
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