[12:00] <raven3x7> nedens youre welcome
[12:00] <vexer_> I can't play MP3's on Hoary ??
[12:00] <Belutz> topyli: do i have to restart after changing the time zone? because i always get 'WIT' when i'm changing the time zone, even to US
[12:01] <topyli> vexer_: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:01] <drspin> hey all -- I just bought a 5.1 speaker system for my SB Live! card -- how do I get the center/subwoofer channel to work??
[12:02] <topyli> Belutz: i'm not sure but it's hard to believe you need to reboot
[12:02] <cikilin> topyli look my cursor(mouse)is runing by itself and opening windows
[12:02] <nedens> package not found (firestarter)?
[12:02] <Belutz> topyli: yup, that's why... is that a bug also?
[12:02] <nedens> where to look
[12:02] <nedens> for it
[12:02] <vexer_> topyli, there is no gstreamer0.8-mad under apt-get but there are a bunch of other ones :)
[12:02] <cikilin> and is moving panels up down
[12:03] <cikilin> can u help me?
[12:04] <topyli> Belutz: i guess you need to logout and login. don't know really
[12:04] <topyli> cikilin: that doesn't sound like a panel problem
[12:04] <cikilin> i thought that is
[12:05] <cikilin> what kind of pb is that?
[12:05] <topyli> cikilin: well, sounds like a mouse problem to me :)
[12:05] <cikilin> is moving by him self
[12:05] <raven3x7> nedens you probably need additional repositories. http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[12:05] <cikilin> and opening closing aplications
[12:06] <Belutz> topyli: ok, i'll try that after i finish updating ubuntu, need to check the time for all indonesian city before reporting
[12:06] <Burgundavia> raven3x7, please don't recommend ubuntguide
[12:06] <topyli> Belutz: ok, it'll help
[12:06] <Burgundavia> raven3x7, there is a wiki page for that
[12:06] <nedens> thanks raven
[12:06] <raven3x7> Burgundavia, why?
[12:06] <drspin> anyone know how to get the center channel to work on my sound blaster live?
[12:06] <Burgundavia> raven3x7, factaually incorrect info, with no explanations
[12:06] <nedens> 3x7
[12:06] <tanki> good question spin, i have the same problem
[12:07] <topyli> cikilin: i don't know. it's either mouse settings or the mouse itself
[12:07] <cikilin> ok
[12:07] <cikilin> 10x
[12:08] <raven3x7> Burgundavia well its not perfect but its easy to use. searching ubuntu wiki is difficult even if it is more accurate.
[12:08] <cikilin> how can i seee in the panel yhw windows?
[12:08] <raven3x7> i will not recommend it if that is a problem though
[12:08] <Burgundavia> raven3x7, there are good wiki pages out there and ubotu will point you to them
[12:09] <topyli> ah, new gnome journal is here
[12:09] <Burgundavia> !addingrepos
[12:09] <ubotu> Burgundavia: I give up, what is it?
[12:09] <Burgundavia> !mp3
[12:09] <ubotu> I don't know, Burgundavia
[12:09] <anto9us> !restrictedformats
[12:09] <ubotu> somebody said restrictedformats was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[12:09] <raven3x7> !nvidia
[12:09] <ubotu> nvidia is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:09] <marsh> hey.
[12:09] <marsh> I'm a bit pissed...
[12:10] <marsh> and tell me if I'm being an arrogant bastard but...
[12:10] <BobaFett> Hey guys ... I'm having a bit of an annoying problem, I'm sure it's really easy to solve, but I haven't found it anywhere... How do I get Ubuntu's Terminal to show the MoTD? I can't find the option anywhere! :(
[12:10] <cikilin> i can see a window witch is opened only with alt+tab and i want to see it down how?
[12:10] <anto9us> marsh: many people will read that as being annoyed
[12:11] <marsh> what do youz guys see as the goal of linux/unix/debian/freesource stuff?
[12:11] <Burgundavia> marsh, provide high-quality free software for all
[12:11] <marsh> anto9us, yeah, true anto, true...
[12:11] <raven3x7> !eagleusb
[12:11] <ubotu> Wish i knew, raven3x7
[12:12] <raven3x7> !eagle
[12:12] <ubotu> raven3x7: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[12:12] <anto9us> marsh: freedom of ideas, knowledge and technological tools, a level playing field irrespective of wealth
[12:12] <marsh> Burgundavia, I reckon theres a thing for getting new people to understand the ease of freedom on their machine...?
[12:13] <vexer_> I was just told to install gstreamer0.8-mad to be able to play MP3's.. but I can't find that in apt-get.. what can  I do?
[12:13] <Burgundavia> !restrictedformats
[12:13] <ubotu> I heard restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[12:13] <Burgundavia> vexer ^^
[12:13] <mattyJ> how do you install a .deb file?
[12:13] <marsh> I'm seeing it as a education of the many to the freedom of the machine sort of angle...
[12:13] <nightswim> dpkg -i fsfsdf.deb
[12:13] <mrd`> dpkg -i foo.deb
[12:13] <Burgundavia> sudo dpkg -i, but what are you installing?
[12:13] <BobaFett> matty3: dpkg .i package_name
[12:14] <BobaFett> Hey guys ... I'm having a bit of an annoying problem, I'm sure it's really easy to solve, but I haven't found it anywhere... How do I get Ubuntu's Terminal to show the MoTD? I can't find the option anywhere! :(
[12:14] <cikilin> i can see a window witch is opened only with alt+tab and i want to see it down
[12:14] <mrd`> BobaFett: MoTD?
[12:14] <cikilin> how do that?
[12:14] <ed1t> MOTD = message of the day
[12:14] <mattyJ> i need to install dpkg first then?
[12:14] <ed1t> he prolly means like a greeting when he opens a terminal window
[12:14] <marsh> because lets face it, the trrue fredom must be keyboard shortcuts  and knowledge of basic customisation in little scripts & stuff...
[12:14] <to|m> has anyone GMAILFS with ubuntu running? and when how? ;)
[12:15] <wolki> cikilin: waht do you mean, you want to see it down? what window is it?
[12:15] <marsh> and people knowing how to do it..?
[12:15] <marsh> like a sort of...
[12:15] <BobaFett> mrd: message of the day ... you know ... /etc/motd :)
[12:15] <raven3x7> mattyj you should already have that
[12:15] <to|m> I asked oncle google, but he didn't say it 2 me:(
[12:15] <mrd`> BobaFett: Add 'cat /etc/motd' to your ~/.bashrc?
[12:16] <cikilin> wolki i wanna see it in the panel when i minimize it
[12:16] <anto9us> marsh: I think true freedom lies in running software that has no nasty little spy stuff in there
[12:16] <BobaFett> ~/.bashrc ... that's: sudo gedit /.bashrc , then inserting cat /etc/motd ?
[12:17] <marsh> drawing them out of their microsoft shells into the power of actually using their machine as a machine not as a channelsurfing machine
[12:17] <_DuDe_> is making his EggDrop bot (compiling as we speak)
[12:17] <to|m> does the gmailfs package run ?
[12:17] <BobaFett> I'm sorry, I got kinda lost there :)
[12:17] <wolki> cikilin: this should be true for most windows in ubuntu. which one doesnt?
[12:17] <mrd`> BobaFett: No, just gedit ~/.bashrc
[12:17] <cikilin> all
[12:17] <Burgundavia> anto9us, like the new acrobat reader 7?
[12:17] <cikilin> they are hiding
[12:17] <marsh> auto, but what about the people getting involved,
[12:17] <marsh> orthe getting people involved rather...
[12:17] <marsh> ?
[12:17] <MeltedDuron> lo
[12:18] <cikilin> wolki
[12:18] <anto9us> Burgundavia: exactly that, yes, typical of many binary applications, you simply have no idea what they're designed to do besides what features they list
[12:18] <wolki> cikilin: just an idea... right click on the panel, add to panel, and add a window list
[12:18] <BobaFett> cat /etc/motd ... just like that, inside .bashrc ... that worked like a charm
[12:18] <BobaFett> Thanks, mrd! :)
[12:18] <MeltedDuron> i just got my ubuntu discs, man this kicks ass...
[12:18] <mrd`> BobaFett: Do me a favor real quickly though... in a terminal run 'sh echo hi'.
[12:18] <cikilin> 10x
[12:19] <mrd`> Does it print out just 'hi' or does it print the motd too?
[12:19] <BobaFett> LOL ... umm ... that's suppoosed to .. display 'hi' in the terminal?
[12:19] <BobaFett> like a script and stuff? O.o ooooo!
[12:19] <BobaFett> Let's see :)
[12:19] <mrd`> Er, sh -e 'echo hi'
[12:19] <anto9us> marsh: subject to a code of conduct, everyone is welcome to get involved
[12:19] <mrd`> sh -ce 'echo hi'
[12:19] <kbrooks> yeap
[12:19] <marsh> to cut a long story short, how hard would it be to put little notes on the baseline in the foot of config windows (the menu driven ones) the name of the files in which the switches are set?
[12:19] <Absenth> evening all.
[12:19] <MeltedDuron> you think i could install ubuntu on a P1 lappy with 16mb of ram?
[12:20] <BobaFett> Evening :)
[12:20] <kbrooks> No!
[12:20] <Absenth> This is a long shot, but I don't suppose anyone here knows much about IPSO?
[12:20] <kbrooks> MeltedDuron, i wouldnt.
[12:20] <MeltedDuron> okies thx...
[12:20] <_DuDe_> ./racbot: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:20] <_DuDe_> make: *** [modegg]  Error 127
[12:20] <BobaFett> mrd: /bin/echo cant execute binary file
[12:20] <_DuDe_> ahhhhhh, hel[p
[12:20] <BobaFett> it seems to be looking for simething inside /bin/echo :D
[12:20] <kbrooks> MeltedDuron, swap counts
[12:20] <Absenth> MeltedDuron, it's painfully slow on a P2 233 w256mb ram
[12:20] <kbrooks> swap is slow
[12:20] <wolki> cikilin: did it work?
[12:20] <MeltedDuron> you think DSL is good for it?
[12:20] <kbrooks> MeltedDuron, yes
[12:21] <amortal> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xfce4-panel/xfce4-panel_4.2.1.1-1ubuntu1_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[12:21] <marsh> this seems to be my problem with trying to get anywhere (struggling for 3&half years now & still shit... and never enough time to get on it & not get distracted &..
[12:21] <mrd`> BobaFett: Did you try running: sh -ce 'echo hi'
[12:21] <MeltedDuron> okies thnx *downloads and burns cd*
[12:21] <marsh> oh fuck...
[12:21] <marsh> I'm rabling..
[12:21] <BobaFett> Yes, mrd :)
[12:21] <anto9us> marsh: you mean in nautilus?
[12:21] <_DuDe_> hheellpp
[12:21] <BobaFett> displays 'hi' in the old Atari800XL way :)
[12:21] <mrd`> BobaFett: Ah, good.
[12:21] <amortal> and when i download xfce4-panel from us.archive it gives me
[12:22] <Absenth> it's borderline painfully cold inside this room.
[12:22] <amortal> dpkg: error processing xfce4-panel_4.2.1.1-1ubuntu1_i386.deb (--install):
[12:22] <amortal>  corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Success
[12:22] <BobaFett> mrd: now, thanks to you, my bash'll have a new welcome joke every day :)
[12:22] <BobaFett> thanks a bunch, guys! :) take care!
[12:23] <mrd`> BobaFett: You can also run fortune instead to get a random quote each time.
[12:23] <_DuDe_> ./racbot: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:23] <_DuDe_> make: *** [modegg]  Error 127
[12:23] <marsh> anto - no.. I'm thinking more of config programs... ie: theres a menu driven config gui to make new terminal styles/profiles in term...
[12:23] <_DuDe_> HELP ME@!!@!!@!!@!!@!!
[12:23] <highvoltage> that sounds like a cry for help.
[12:24] <marsh> is it possible to have the nameof the edited file in there, get people switchiing from mouse to keyboard?
[12:24] <amortal> are there problems with the repos' today?
[12:25] <marsh> auto9?
[12:25] <mrd`> _DuDe_: What's 'dpkg -l tcl8.4' say?
[12:25] <anto9us> marsh: hmm.. I think the idea of many of the developers of guis is to protect the user from those things
[12:25] <_DuDe_> gtg
[12:25] <_DuDe_> I'll bbl
[12:26] <marsh> (or more to the point, makeing ot easier for me to investigate the conf files without having to search for them...
[12:26] <raven3x7|away> amoral remove the us. simply use the archive.ubuntu.org. us. has been broken for several days
[12:26] <marsh> anto - how do you mean, protect?
[12:26] <chi> how can i mount partitions over a network without samba?
[12:26] <anto9us> marsh: protect their brains from exploding :)
[12:26] <amortal> thanks raven
[12:27] <marsh> I see it as coming out to a people that are very led and are too slow & lazy to get involved...
[12:27] <chi> cant i just mount them from fstab?
[12:27] <marsh> what they need is motivating.
[12:28] <marsh> they need to have a bit of power to interest them
[12:28] <axis> I'm not sure of Happy is a regular around here, but he really saved my hide.
[12:28] <axis> if anybody here see's him, tell him MOFAT says THANKYOU very VERY much
[12:28] <marsh> and with the mouse/gui world they're not getting anything more than windows
[12:28] <marsh> .
[12:28] <axis> and thankyou to everybody else in this ubuntu community
[12:28] <axis> i think this is a great project
[12:28] <axis> cheers
[12:29] <marsh> if they are constantly reminded of where the conf files are, then they'll start to investigate.
[12:29] <anto9us> marsh: I don't think computers should be restricted to only the literate or tech savvy, I disagree with you
[12:30] <marsh> auto.... no...
[12:30] <marsh> I'm not dissing the gui thing.
[12:30] <marsh> I think it is an amazing environtment
[12:31] <marsh> but do you aggree that is it often quicker, faster and less rsi if you can talk to your system rather than just select menu options?
[12:32] <to|m> no1 with gmailfs here?
[12:32] <to|m> hmm
[12:33] <anto9us> marsh: depends how tired I am, sometimes I have jamais vu and can't even remember my own name, never mind the paramaters for a samba mount
[12:33] <marsh> there appears to me to be (and the ubuntu environment is the one I choose to be in because they are further above it than others I have tried)
[12:34] <marsh> yeah, anto9us my ramble is that i think that there is a class division between newbee & experienced user
[12:35] <marsh> ( that was the 'not so much ubuntu' thing
[12:35] <holycow> well well well
[12:35] <holycow> changing the admin password on linux is easier than on winders
[12:35] <holycow> ehe
[12:35] <anto9us> marsh: yeah, things will level out though, time will take care of that :)
[12:35] <holycow> -_-
[12:35] <Spec> Is there a linux game where you're a ship at the bottom of the screen and lots of ships come from the top down, and you can shoot unlimited shots, and get upgrades, and acquire bombs...
[12:35] <holycow> 'recovering' i mean
[12:36] <marsh> theres a massive class division and coder do seem to hold a contempt-ish kindda attitude towards n00bs & force them out into the big void of google for endless reading to find the answers to questioned...
[12:37] <LinuxJones> Spec, chromium
[12:37] <marsh> but if the config file names are 'advertised' in menu's & things...
[12:37] <holycow> marsh, not really, there actually happens to be a 'right way' and a 'wrong way' to do things
[12:37] <Spec> LinuxJones: ah, that's it, thanks
[12:37] <LinuxJones> Spec, lots of fun :)
[12:37] <holycow> coders expect the user to come ready with being prepared to 'do it the right way'
[12:37] <anto9us> marsh: I don't find most coders like that, maybe you've just been unlucky
[12:37] <marsh> holycow - explain..?
[12:38] <holycow> marsh, well first, noobs are a very arrogant presumptous bunch overall
[12:38] <holycow> especially the windows users
[12:38] <holycow> almost all of them come with a whole pile of baggage
[12:38] <Burgundavia> that isn't true
[12:38] <Spec> Can Ubuntu support multiple-user-logins in X, like XP, where you can switch user?
[12:38] <Kyral> They speak of "drivers" and "reboots"
[12:38] <Burgundavia> it is reasonable for someone to expect a computer to act logically
[12:39] <holycow> which is usually labeled 'the customer is right, therefore even if i am completelly wrong i will stillinsist that i am right"
[12:39] <Kyral> it scares me
[12:39] <Burgundavia> Spec, better than xp
[12:39] <MegaManII> linux was the first to do that Spec
[12:39] <Burgundavia> Spec, xp only supports one user logged in at the same time, ubuntu can have as many as your have hardware
[12:39] <marsh> holycow - but do you have a sympathy for them?
[12:39] <holycow> the second problem is the willingness of the user to actually learn
[12:39] <holycow> yes of course
[12:39] <kbrooks> XP is not "multiuser"
[12:39] <Kyral> I help newbies to the point where I think they know enough
[12:39] <holycow> i take copious amounts of time to help them overcome their baggage
[12:39] <Kyral> or until they piss me off.
[12:40] <Kyral> then I need to play UT2k4 before I kill them
[12:40] <holycow> marsh, perhaps you are talking about arrogance?>
[12:40] <Spec> Burgundavia: So I can press two buttons, and have my processes running in the background, and have someone else log in, spawn their apps, switch user, and go back to my X?
[12:40] <marsh> do you think they would be happier, more comfortable
[12:40] <marsh> holycow, from the coders..?
[12:40] <marsh> yeah... possibly.
[12:40] <Burgundavia> Spec, yes and breezy has a fast user switching applet
[12:40] <holycow> *nod*
[12:40] <Spec> Burgundavia: Is there a way to get to GDM without logging out/ending all your apps?
[12:41] <marsh> but I'm finding that the searches for answers are gonna be mostly in the config files..
[12:41] <Burgundavia> Spec, applications-->sys tools-->new logi8n
[12:41] <holycow> gotta go again
[12:41] <anto9us> Spec: Applications | System Tools | New Login
[12:42] <jasontech> What username do I used to access CUPS at localhost:631
[12:42] <Spec> ah hah
[12:42] <Spec> So I have to use F7/F8 to switch between the Xs?
[12:42] <Spec> or is there a different way?
[12:42] <sizzam> i want to see what xfce looks like, i installed it via apt-get,  how do i switch to that environment?
[12:43] <naliothatwork> sizzam at the login screen
[12:43] <^thehatsrule^> sizzam: choose xfce at login screen, if its not there use startxfce4
[12:43] <sizzam> naliothatwork:  i clicked session, but theres no choice there
[12:43] <naliothatwork> sizzam you can chooose your session type
[12:43] <jeanjean> hoe kan ik xfce toevoegen bij gdm ?
[12:43] <sizzam> do i have to reboot the entire machine after i install xfce?
[12:43] <marsh> *answers to searches
[12:43] <Spec> I know how to spawn multiple Xs like that, but is there an easier way to switch between users, or is it just two Xs running and you have to use ctrl+alt+f[7-8]  to change user?
[12:43] <sizzam> so that it becomes a choice in sessions
[12:43] <jeanjean> how can i add xfce to gdm
[12:44] <marsh> sizzam possibly something along the lines of switchdesk?
[12:44] <naliothatwork> sizzam open one of the .desktop files READONLY in /usr/share/xsessions and use it for a template to make one for your xfce4
[12:44] <sizzam> thanks
[12:44] <naliothatwork> sizzam SAVE AS xfce4.desktop
[12:44] <Tyche> Hello
[12:44] <Tyche> A little off base here, but I'm looking for a secure email system that isn't sendmail
[12:44] <Tyche> Qmail is way to difficult for me to get working
[12:44] <Tyche> any other ideas?
[12:45] <Burgundavia> Tyche, postfix
[12:45] <decaf> Tyche: postfix
[12:45] <kbrooks> why postfix?
[12:45] <Burgundavia> designed to be secure by default?
[12:45] <marsh> they're all a nightmare to me...
[12:46] <anto9us> Spec: that's correct, it's a new X, you can nest a session in the current X session if you install xnest
[12:46] <marsh> I spent two months trying to get mutt to pick up & send on my pop3 email...
[12:46] <Burgundavia> Spec, really cool things you can do with X --> http://userful.com/?
[12:47] <marsh> ended up with no hair and no idea how to get it to work :(
[12:47] <marsh> makes me sad :...
[12:47] <marsh> :(...
[12:47] <dave123> hi folks, everytime i ran the update manager i get a message saying : the following packages could not be installed : mozilla-firefox and mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[12:47] <benkong2> hey guys i can't get into webmin with root or user id now I have a server lock too many authentication failures. How can I fix this?
[12:48] <Luakagon> hey I want to copy CD music to my hard drive as a .wav file but its not working, but it works for .ogg file format, using Sound Juicer
[12:48] <mrd`> Burgundavia: Does that actually have anything to do with X's network transparency?
[12:48] <Burgundavia> mrd`, no
[12:48] <Burgundavia> merely multiheaded stuff, impossible in windows
[12:48] <anto9us> marsh: the goal of ubuntu is to be for human beings and there's a lot of bounties for good guis for that kind of stuff, it's going to get easier
[12:49] <naliothatwork> Luakagon use grip
[12:49] <Luakagon> ok
[12:49] <boga>  is there some kind of script that will install LAMP automatically?
[12:49] <dave123> is there a reason why i cant updare firefox through update manager? i get an error everytime
[12:49] <Phinite> anto9us: a nice to have would be a port of dvdshrink for ubuntu... that and my wireless are the only reasons I have to keep a winxp partition :)
[12:50] <naliothatwork> boga there is a wiki on LAMP
[12:50] <mrd`> What's dvdshrink?
[12:50] <naliothatwork> mrd a dvd > xvid proggy
[12:50] <zorba64> boga: you could alsa try xampp for something easy
[12:50] <Phinite> it allows you to take your dvd movies and compress them and burn them on a regular dvd, I back up everything we own with it so the kids don't scratch the good ones
[12:50] <MegaManII> Phinite i imagine you have a broadcom chipset for your wireless?
[12:51] <glick> hey after i installed ubuntu from the cdrom how do i correctly set up my repository sources?
[12:51] <mrd`> Hm.
[12:51] <Phinite> ipw2200 actually :)
[12:51] <Phinite> MegaManII: it's driving me nuts.
[12:51] <MegaManII> never used them
[12:51] <Phinite> I've managed to screw it up fairly well, heh.  actually, it all seems to be working, but it doesn't connect to wep
[12:51] <dave123> glick: everything you need to know about starting up ubuntu can be found in the unofficial guide here: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[12:51] <MegaManII> you know what an ndiswrapper is right?
[12:52] <naliothatwork> dave123 you are killin me
[12:52] <naliothatwork> glick, use the wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:52] <dave123> naliothatwork: what did i do? :(
[12:52] <MegaManII> Phinite try using ndiswrapper. it lets you run windows drivers on linux
[12:52] <Phinite> yes.  others have connected it with normal connections, I've followed the instructions, just have to wait for some answers to a posting, others have had the same error I am
[12:52] <naliothatwork> dave123 the ubuntuguide is not good on some of its topics
[12:52] <zorba64> yes glick, rather the wiki than "unofficial"
[12:52] <anto9us> Phinite: I think it's doable on linux, dvdrip and k3b
[12:52] <Phinite> MegaManII: if I can't get it running this way, I will be doing that this weekend
[12:52] <dave123> shoot, i used that guide for everything
[12:53] <naliothatwork> dave123 new users may not be able to tell the good info from the bad
[12:53] <Phinite> I really don't want to bother booting into windows just to use the wireless in the office
[12:53] <dave123> dave123: but i dont get it, its so ncely put together and it all works
[12:53] <Phinite> dvdrip and k3b?  I'll look at those now
[12:54] <MegaManII> Phinite ndiswrapper worked from my broadcom. its alitle slower then native, but works
[12:54] <dave123> dave123: im really a noob, so :P, can you explain why its bad? maybe i should reinstall then if it gives wrong advice
[12:54] <naliothatwork> dave123 there have been some users who have had their systems rendered unusable following the 'guide
[12:54] <Razor-X> naliothatwork: what parts?
[12:54] <wolki> dave123: if everything works, no need to reinstall
[12:54] <dave123> dave123: wow, i did not know that, good thing you told me, im gonna stop telling people to read it then :P
[12:54] <naliothatwork> Razor-X i'm surprised you of all peeps ask that
[12:55] <Phinite> MegaManII: slow I'm not so worried about, I just need to connect to terminal services in the office
[12:55] <dave123> dave123: i got so many people in my schol to install ubuntu and theyre all more nooby than i am, so i got them all reading that guide
[12:55] <zorba64> dave123: just use it carefully...it doesnt give thorough explainations as to what u r doung and why
[12:55] <snikker> hi, i'got a problem with the screen saver... it don't remember xscreensaver preferences...
[12:55] <zorba64> read the wiki in conjunction with it
[12:55] <dave123> zorba64: i will, thank you, img onna start reading it now to see what i screwed up
[12:56] <marsh> anto9us, yeah - thinks what I'm saying is that my money is on the one that does the adviertising of the config files (or areas of them via links), more advertising of keyboard shortcut settings (next to all options in the gui menu's - along with a shortcutto the line in the config file to change it - possibly with a small help/list-of-options for entries note when the mouse hovers), and shortcuts to the 'change keys' bits of t
[12:56] <marsh> he config files etc.
[12:56] <anto9us> Phinite: does 'sudo iwlist wlan0 scanning' show your AP?
[12:56] <marsh> bridging the gap.
[12:56] <marsh> !
[12:56] <ubotu> marsh: Bugger all, i dunno
[12:56] <glick> i get errors about not being able to connect to certain servers when i do apt-get update
[12:56] <marsh> ?
[12:57] <zorba64> you may not have "screwed up" anything...read for why and if there is no explaination, then take it with a grain of salt
[12:57] <naliothatwork> dave123 repositorys
[12:57] <glick> are some of the servers down or something?
[12:58] <anto9us> marsh: yeah, I think it will take time, it's like building a bridge from 2 sides of the river and getting them to meet in the middle
[12:58] <dave123> naliothatwork: so i go to the documentartion and check their version of how the repositories should be set up?
[12:58] <zorba64> i have used the guide...it is very useful, but it is not the be all and end all...
[12:58] <Atlas95> hello, anyone have a logitech cordless keyboard?
[12:59] <glick> are some of the default repostry servers down?
[12:59] <dave123> how do i send a message to someone in irc, without having to copy and paste their name and putting colon n front of it? :|
[12:59] <Atlas95> i have do a mistake and my keycode keyboard are wrong
[12:59] <tims> I'm using logitech cordless
[12:59] <Atlas95> i want to do how to reset them
[12:59] <highvoltage> dave123: you type the first few letters ant tab?
[12:59] <anto9us> dave123: pressing tab will autocomplete a nick for you
[12:59] <highvoltage> s/ant/and
[01:00] <surly> hey all, why is my volume so low in ubuntu?
[01:00] <glick> Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release.gpg
[01:00] <glick>   Could not connect to security.ubuntu.com:80 (82.211.81.151). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[01:00] <surly> and how do i fix it?
[01:00] <Atlas95> tims, have you all your touch running?(sorry for my bad englsih)
[01:00] <lsuactiafner> surly : put the volume up.. alsamixer
[01:00] <dave123> anto9us: thank you
[01:01] <anto9us> dave123: you can tab multiple times to cycle through matches too
[01:02] <dave123> anto9us: this tab thing is pretty useful, thank you
[01:03] <lsuactiafner> surly : then alsactl store
[01:03] <lsuactiafner> to keep the settings..
[01:04] <dave123> how can ubuntu update my firefox if its running :|
[01:04] <dave123> i just did that, and i dunno how
[01:04] <mrd`> Until you restart, you're still using the old version.
[01:04] <lsuactiafner> dave123 : becuase it just overwrites the binary and the binary aint locked
[01:04] <mrd`> *restart firefox
[01:04] <surly> lsauctiafner: "sudo alsactl" ???
[01:04] <lsuactiafner> surly : yeh
[01:04] <dave123> lsuactiafner: how can it not be locked when its running?
[01:04] <mrd`> Linux isn't b0rked like Windows.  You can overwrite running executable without the operating system bitching at you.
[01:05] <lsuactiafner> dave123 : your pc has ram..
[01:05] <mrd`> dave123: It gets loaded into memory when it starts, and then the file isn't needed anymore.
[01:05] <lsuactiafner> and it aint windows..
[01:05] <lsuactiafner> i have ut2004 loaded into ram on boot.. starts in seconds lol
[01:05] <lsuactiafner> but thats crazy..
[01:05] <lsuactiafner> lol
[01:06] <dave123> mrd`: thats pretty awsome
[01:06] <lsuactiafner> if i keep apt-get upgrade current would i need to update much for breezy?
[01:06] <dave123> is it generally a bad idea to compile form the source? i heard most people say just use the apt-get, but what if you cant find the thing you need in the repositories?
[01:07] <highvoltage> lsuactiafner: yes, apt will only use the hoary-security stuff.
[01:07] <mrd`> lsuactiafner: You mean you're keeping up to date with hoary or breezy?
[01:07] <highvoltage> you will need to change to the breezy source when it's released.
[01:07] <lsuactiafner> dave123 : then compile form source, i think its a good idea, but ubuntu ppl discourages it
[01:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> just some humor for you guys and gals ^_^ =----> http://pastebin.com/314220
[01:07] <highvoltage> or- you could switch to breezy when it becomes stablish.
[01:07] <mrd`> dave123: If you're not experienced compiling stuff, stick with apt.  But if you're interested in experimenting (and possibly breaking stuff), go for it.
[01:08] <zorba64> lsuactiafner, breezy will bite your butt right now
[01:08] <lsuactiafner> hoary, but when breezy comes out i want to upgrade.. but would it be like 300mb to upgrade or 600mb all over?
[01:08] <dave123> mrd`: yea i liek breaking stuff and then spending hours trying to fix it,
[01:08] <mrd`> lsuactiafner: Yeah.  Pretty much everything will have updaed.
[01:08] <dave123> byt he way is there like a known problem with firefox in ubuntu? i updated it and its still 1.0.2
[01:08] <surly> lsauctiafner: that's not working. volume is waaaaay too low. anything else?
[01:08] <lsuactiafner> heh, since i downloaded the iso on a 4k/s dialup.. and a futher 800mb of libs/development packages..
[01:09] <mrd`> dave123: No, but they only update stuff in security if it's really important.
[01:09] <anto9us> dave123: have you enabled the universe and multiverse repositories? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how much of breezy is busted?
[01:09] <lsuactiafner> surly : nope, just put every alsa meter way up, press right till you are @ the end of all the meters
[01:09] <lsuactiafner> aumix -v 100 might also help
[01:09] <tanki> how's the clock comming along, church
[01:09] <zorba64> lsuactiafner, it will be 100's of mb
[01:09] <lsuactiafner> if aumix is installed.. doubt it is..
[01:09] <mrd`> ChurcH_of_FoamY: X is pretty messed up... so is the latest kernel (at least for me and a few other people).
[01:10] <surly> lsauctiafner: done. can i apt-get aumix?
[01:10] <dave123> anto9us: i just added everything to my repositories, :| was i not supposed to?
[01:10] <Burgundavia> ChurcH_of_FoamY, X is somewhat working. No restricted modules of .12
[01:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> tanki it's comin along
[01:10] <zorba64> ChurcH_of_FoamY, xorg is screwed...u really dont want to unless u enjoy pain
[01:10] <tanki> coolies
[01:10] <lsuactiafner> surly : yeh.. but aumix put pcm up.. wouldnt make much of a differance but seems you dont have a choice..
[01:10] <lsuactiafner> put volume of speakers up?
[01:10] <anto9us> dave123: yes, it's better to find what you want in there than to compile from source
[01:10] <lsuactiafner> and what are you using to play files?
[01:10] <Burgundavia> ChurcH_of_FoamY, yes
[01:11] <zorba64> ChurcH_of_FoamY, good idea, dont screw your good setup
[01:11] <surly> lsauctiafner: it installed 2.8.12
[01:11] <lsuactiafner> i have a script to download+compile latest mplayer cvs everyday.. source has uses..
[01:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> only problem is no cd rom is it possible to set up ubuntu on a computer that has network boot?
[01:11] <lsuactiafner> surly : run aumix -v 100
[01:11] <dave123> lsuactiafner: everyday?  is that really necessary?
[01:12] <tanki> dave123, if it's automated why not?
[01:12] <lsuactiafner> dave123 : no. but its automated.. so its no bother..
[01:12] <zorba64> ChurcH_of_FoamY, sure, it is poss, but you will have to read up on it
[01:12] <mrd`> tanki: Because sometimes the code in CVS breaks.
[01:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and where would i do that?
[01:12] <dave123> lsuactiafner: you must be one die hard fan of mplayer
[01:12] <lsuactiafner> mplayer -rootwin (:
[01:12] <zorba64> ChurcH_of_FoamY, the wiki...where else
[01:12] <lsuactiafner> its my background..
[01:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> !wiki
[01:13] <benkong2> could someone tell me how to change webmin password for root? I have not changed ubuntu since installation so I can only sudo and webmin won't go
[01:13] <tanki> mrd`, i'm sure dave probably took that into account and added the appropriate code to his script to not keep going on with the install
[01:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[01:13] <tanki> i mean lsuactiafner
[01:13] <mrd`> tanki: I don't necessarily mean the code doesn't compile.
[01:14] <anto9us> benkong2: sudo passwd then completely remove and reinstall webmin
[01:14] <dave123> tanki: how can you prevent your script from installing broken code? unless you write some kind of super inteligent script or something
[01:14] <mrd`> dave123: 'make install' won't do anything if 'make' failed.
[01:14] <zorba64> ChurcH_of_FoamY, go to wiki.ubuntu.com and search for netboot
[01:14] <mrd`> It's trivial.
[01:14] <benkong2> anto9us, ok thanks
[01:14] <tanki> ^
[01:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> found it ^_^
[01:14] <dave123> mrd`: what if thhey have code that compiles, but works incorrectly?
[01:14] <surly> lsauctiafner: seems to have helped. thanks.
[01:14] <benkong2> antix,  sudo passwd enables root user?
[01:14] <mrd`> dave123: That was my point.
[01:14] <jasontech> Anyone know how to make Evolution automatically turn on the signature?
[01:15] <lsuactiafner> benkong2 :type in your user passwd
[01:15] <anto9us> benkong2: yes
[01:15] <mrd`> dave123: Sorry, I guess I misunderstood you the same way tanki did me.
[01:15] <tanki> mrd`, well you would have to ask lsu that.. i'm sure it doesn't phase him either way
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow thats um complicated >.<
[01:15] <dave123> mrd`: its like recursive misunderstanding something
[01:15] <benkong2> lsuactiafner, anto9us ; thanks
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> involes screwing with stuf that i don't want to
[01:15] <lsuactiafner> dave123 : if error 1 occurs make install fails.. easy as that
[01:15] <zorba64> ChurcH_of_FoamY, looks a little dont it?...have fun with it
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> and using a cvs has the risk of broken support, but its been a month and mplayer works everyday when i wake up
[01:16] <mrd`> CVS archives getting broken into isn't an unheard of scenario.  I'd rather not rely on code compiled from it in an automatic script.
[01:16] <tanki> mrd`, i didn't misunderstand you, sorry..
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> the developers are pretty good
[01:16] <jg123> hi  -- have a question about audio -- getting desktop sounds -- but no sound in flash or jave -- and cant play mp3
[01:16] <dave123> lsuactiafner: maybe then just havnt changed the cvs then in a month
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> cvs also has more options than releases.
[01:17] <zorba64> ChurcH_of_FoamY, well, you can follow it through, or wait until xorg probs are sorted out
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> mrd` : if cvs fails i just run make install from my pre7..
[01:17] <tanki> mrd`, he's using cvs, i think he knows that means it might be unstable at times, that's sort of an assumption
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i think i'll waite lo
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[01:17] <dave123> lsuactiafner: i always rather wait until they througly test something, than download the source that might break something
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> they dont break things..
[01:17] <zorba64> ChurcH_of_FoamY, check the breezy forum and follow what is happening, thats what I am doing...not going there until it settles down a bit
[01:18] <lsuactiafner> for most packages thats a sound and very reasonable attitude..
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[01:18] <lsuactiafner> but mplayer is differnt
[01:18] <IIIEars> Hello! :)   - created mount points in /media/hdb1  and added the ntfs drive ro to fstab. installed libntfs5 and ntfs progs. (need a windows file for these?) It says i don't have permission to view the drive.  Do i need to add something to users and groups?
[01:19] <dave123> yea mplayer is definitely my facourite thing in linux, everytime i cant play somewthing in windows i run it in mplayer in ubuntu
[01:19] <dave123> shoot i said the w* word
[01:19] <IIIEars> mplayer is great
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> mplayer is the most downloaded program on freshmeat.net
[01:20] <jg123> hi  -- have a question about audio -- getting desktop sounds -- but no sound in flash or jave -- and cant play mp3 -- installed xmms  no luck -- just have onboard sound 'card;
[01:20] <IIIEars> the Bill "G" word is also censored here too ;)
[01:20] <tanki> mrd`, you might like openbsd then
[01:20] <dave123> yea thats why i get so nervous everytime i see news about european patent laws and stuff, they said on their site they might go down
[01:20] <mrd`> tanki: Just because I don't want to automatically compile stuff from source nightly?
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> if mplayer closed down i wont be able to run linux when codecs go old
[01:21] <tanki> i think you're misunderstanding me again
[01:21] <IIIEars> How do i add an ntfs drive?
[01:21] <dave123> yea , why is there so mcuh confiusion here
[01:21] <IIIEars> !ntfs
[01:21] <ubotu> [ntfs]  the filesystem used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[01:21] <tanki> weekend is upon us dave
[01:21] <mrd`> tanki: Sorry, why do you think I'd like OpenBSD?
 then you should know that an developer that commits code that breaks compilation is punished.
[01:21] <tanki> pent up sexual tension
 usually by drinking 10l coca-cola, or other drink he mostly dislikes.
[01:21] <dave123> yea everyone is very tired, hahaa,
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> is mplayer code he is refering to
[01:21] <dave123> pent up anger toward supervisor too
[01:23] <lsuactiafner> freebsd aint too bad, but i dont like the console, cant use alt left right to switch consoles
[01:23] <lsuactiafner> and linux nvidia support is much better
[01:24] <tanki> mrd`, i figured you were a stickler for security.. because i've never heard someone address the idea of mplayer's cvs being compromised as a reason to not automate a weekly or daily patch process
[01:24] <dave123> if anyone tells me what im supposed to do to get firefox 1.04 i will pray for his soul for 2 consecutive days
[01:24] <lsuactiafner> dave123 : 1.0.5 is out
[01:24] <lsuactiafner> dave123 : and the binary package from mozilla doenst install cleanly on ubuntu..
[01:25] <dave123> well, i have 1.02
[01:25] <mrd`> tanki: Well, I just don't see the benefits of having mplayer up to date daily as great enough for any possible problems as unlikely as they are.
[01:25] <tanki> mrd, it could also be lsu's attempt at getting deeper into shell scripting and trying to automate out the boredom bits from his daily routine too.. that's a good way to apply stuff you've read in some dusty doc
[01:25] <lsuactiafner> so you need to create a chroot of another system with a more recent glibc version
[01:25] <dj28> dave123: i think the 1.02 version in ubuntu's repositories are really patched to the level of 1.04 but they forgot to change the version #
[01:25] <dj28> i think i saw that on the forums
[01:25] <dj28> dave123: if you check the forums, it shows a way to get around that by changing the version #
[01:26] <dj28> it's a pain when going to firefox's site for extensions
[01:26] <lsuactiafner> dave123 : about:config change the version number to log onto mozilla to get plugins
[01:26] <dj28> it won't let you if you're not up to date
[01:26] <jg123> <--new to linux       hi  -- have a question about audio -- getting desktop sounds -- but no sound in flash or java -- and cant play mp3 -- installed xmms  no luck -- just have onboard sound 'card;
[01:26] <dave123> dj28: yea i saw something too, but do we have to do anythign as users? like change some config file or something, or just let it be 1.02. i dont feel safe at night sleeping knowong i have unpatched software
[01:26] <lsuactiafner> dave123 : type about:config in url bar
[01:26] <lsuactiafner> jg123 : alsamixer
[01:26] <dave123> ok i did
[01:26] <GMachine_24> it's better than having a wireless camera in the bathroom at starbucks . . . .
[01:27] <GMachine_24> sorry. wrong window.
[01:27] <lsuactiafner> wth GMachine_24?
[01:27] <dave123> lsuactiafner: what do i do now :|
[01:27] <GMachine_24> i don' t multitask well
[01:27] <lsuactiafner> dave123 : type version or 1.0.2 and change it to 1.0.5
[01:27] <jg123> pretend like your are talking to a fairly inteligent bowl of porridge --- i need alsamixer to get sound squared away?
[01:27] <lsuactiafner> never done it myself since i run ff in another linux distribution chroot
[01:28] <dave123> lsuactiafner: ok , thanks you
[01:28] <dj28> app.version
[01:28] <lsuactiafner> jg123 : yeh type alsamixer and up the volume
[01:28] <jg123> type it where    lol
[01:28] <lsuactiafner> just type
[01:29] <lsuactiafner> oh
[01:29] <lsuactiafner> err
[01:29] <lsuactiafner> in a terminal
[01:29] <Rubin> howcome the beep-music-player's svg icon fails to load in some parts of gnome but not others?
[01:29] <dave123> tanki: im out, have a great weekend
[01:29] <lsuactiafner> Rubin : hidden gnome AI trying to establish contact..
[01:29] <dj28> Rubin: heh i just noticed that myself
[01:29] <Rubin> lsuactiafner: should i kill it or introduce myself?
[01:30] <lsuactiafner> try sweet talkin it into displayin your icon..
[01:30] <Rubin> dj28: i went so far as to use image magick to convert it to a png and it STILL wont work.
[01:30] <Rubin> also changed the name thingking bmp.svg was confusing gnome
[01:30] <dj28> yea i just installed it today and noticed that it doesn't show up in the menu
[01:30] <dj28> the icon, that is
[01:30] <Rubin> dj28: drag it to the top bar, and then hit properties on it
[01:31] <Rubin> it shows up in there, but also gives an error..
[01:31] <IIIEars> Why image magice and not GIMP?
[01:31] <Rubin> IIIEars: cmdline seemed faster (and was)
[01:31] <dj28> yea i see. it says failed to load image
[01:31] <Rubin> dj28: but its there.. right?
[01:31] <AlbanianLord> ok pals
[01:31] <IIIEars> Thanks :0
[01:31] <lsuactiafner> IIIEars : convert is commandline.. easier..
[01:31] <AlbanianLord> quick question
[01:31] <dj28> yea
[01:31] <dj28> it shows up
[01:31] <Rubin> dj28: im going with lsuactiafner on this one.
[01:32] <AlbanianLord> recently installed kde, and the sound doesnt work
[01:32] <dj28> heh
[01:32] <AlbanianLord> but it works fine on  gnome
[01:32] <IIIEars> << - still rrecovering from a decade long Windows handicap. - lol
[01:32] <jg123> lsuactiafner,   got the alsamixer up   -- upped volume --- still no sound in xmms playing mp3 --- actually jams and i have to force shut it down
[01:32] <Rubin> AlbanianLord: you need to learn about sound daemons
[01:32] <AlbanianLord> teach me then
[01:32] <AlbanianLord> I am here to learn
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> jg123 : click on xmms, find preferances, find output device, change from alsa or oss or something to something else..
[01:33] <AlbanianLord> you up to it Rubin?
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> AlbanianLord : #kubuntu or something
[01:34] <AlbanianLord> ok
[01:34] <AlbanianLord> thanks
[01:34] <lsuactiafner> heh
[01:35] <jg123> lsuactiafner,    hot damn -- got MP3 playing --- now i can keep linux   (LOL)
[01:35] <jg123> thanks
[01:35] <lsuactiafner> nice -n -10 make -j 3 just kicked in
[01:35] <lsuactiafner> funny
[01:35] <lsuactiafner> keyboard input laggin
[01:35] <lsuactiafner> np
[01:36] <lsuactiafner>  01:37:55 up 2 days, 11:17, 19 users,  load average: 7.45, 3.62, 2.30
[01:36] <omerniaz> Hello All..
[01:36] <omerniaz> need a lil help with the X
[01:37] <omerniaz> xorg
[01:37] <Rubin> spill it
[01:37] <lsuactiafner> lol Rubin
[01:37] <zorba64> omerniaz,  speak my son
[01:37] <omerniaz> I have a HP Pavilion DV4049EA
[01:37] <omerniaz> Notebook..
[01:37] <Rubin> lsuactiafner: heh ?
[01:37] <omerniaz> Anyways the Dispay card in it is
[01:37] <omerniaz> Mobile Intel 915GM
[01:38] <omerniaz> S
[01:38] <omerniaz> 910gml
[01:38] <Rubin> auto detection failed?
[01:38] <omerniaz> that is what windows tells me
[01:38] <omerniaz> my display size of the lcd is 1280 x 800
[01:38] <omerniaz> yes
[01:38] <omerniaz> with ubuntu starts
[01:39] <omerniaz> all init completes..
[01:39] <omerniaz> its a big black screen infront of me
[01:39] <omerniaz> get the picture?
[01:39] <Rubin> yeah
[01:39] <lsuactiafner> omerniaz : might be your refresh rates..
[01:39] <Rubin> ctrl-alt-f1 will get you a text terminal
[01:39] <lsuactiafner> lcd screen and all..
[01:39] <lsuactiafner> MPlayer dev-CVS-050715-06:00-3.3.5 (C) 2000-2005 MPlayer Team
[01:39] <Rubin> you may need to tweak your x config .. 1280x800 is an unusual size
[01:39] <omerniaz> yes i got my self there too..
[01:39] <zorba64> omerniaz, do you know your monitor refresh rates?
[01:39] <omerniaz> I have this 15.4 WXGA with my laptop..
[01:40] <Rubin> check out /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:40] <frank> lcd is [pretty much 60Hz all the time I think
[01:40] <omerniaz> and windows tweaks it to 1280x800
[01:40] <Rubin> its a lot to take in.. but the answer is in there somewhere
[01:40] <omerniaz> okay i checked it in windows
[01:41] <omerniaz> yes
[01:41] <omerniaz> it is working on 60 hz
[01:41] <jg123> lsuactiafner,  -- ok mp3 works (yeah!) -- now how do i get sound from flash and java in mozill-firefox
[01:41] <omerniaz> 1280 X 800 , True Colour , 60 Hz
[01:41] <omerniaz> but why is not ubuntu picking it up :'(
[01:41] <omerniaz> my 1st time with ubuntu :(
[01:41] <Rubin> jg123: ubuntuguide.org had a tip for that i think. has to do with editing some config file in firefox
[01:41] <omerniaz> :)
[01:42] <Rubin> omerniaz: auto-detecting video properly is one of the hardest things
[01:42] <jg123> Rubin, k--going to look  :)
[01:42] <Rubin> normally 'old school' linux doesnt do it at all, you have to tell it everything
[01:42] <Rubin> now, ubuntu and some others try to guess using tools.. which are getting better
[01:42] <Rubin> but when they fail, you must learn the old way unfortunately.
[01:43] <Rubin> often googling for linux and your video card finds someone who did the work for you
[01:43] <omerniaz> :)
[01:43] <omerniaz> he he he
[01:43] <JRlinux> If I installed Ubuntu, could I use apt-get or something to install various programs I like?  Even install KDE?  I really like the look of the Live Ubuntu...
[01:43] <Rubin> JRlinux: yes.
[01:43] <kbrooks> JRlinux, yes. kde is a X application.
[01:43] <zorba64> omerniaz, what is in your "monitor" section in xorg.conf
[01:43] <Rubin> JRlinux: if you prefer kde, try kubuntu
[01:43] <omerniaz> Yeh Also.. i tried it with the ubuntu live cd
[01:44] <omerniaz> same thing.. Black screen
[01:44] <JRlinux> Rubin kbrooks  Thanks.  I may just do that; I like the choice of either KDE or Gnome...
[01:44] <zorba64> omerniaz, do you have a VertRefresh and HorizSync value range?
[01:44] <omerniaz> No i dont father <zorba64>
[01:44] <kbrooks> and so X applications operate insdependly of each other
[01:44] <kbrooks> indepently*
[01:44] <kbrooks> but......
[01:45] <kbrooks> other people say you cant
[01:45] <lsuactiafner> JRlinux : kubuntu and yes you could..
[01:45] <kbrooks> because of the look
[01:45] <JRlinux> Thanks lsuactiafner
[01:45] <lsuactiafner> jg123 : no idea.. i dont like my browser making sounds.. or runnin flash.. or java
[01:46] <omerniaz> Hey is there a howto
[01:46] <omerniaz> to see how to set this thing
[01:46] <lsuactiafner> i'm actually chatting from the console now runnin mp3blaster..
[01:46] <Rubin> jg123: another way is to make gnome's esound give up the sound card when its not using it
[01:46] <Rubin> but thats a hack imo
[01:46] <omerniaz> plus does ubuntu support my graphic card how do i get to know that :o
[01:46] <golfen> hi
[01:46] <tanki> lsuactiafner, it's awful dark down there
[01:46] <Rubin> omerniaz: ubuntu is just linux, and xorg
[01:46] <lsuactiafner> console rocks
[01:46] <Rubin> omerniaz: so if any linux does, ubuntu can.. just a matter of how easily
[01:46] <lsuactiafner> all 11 terminals are running something
[01:46] <golfen> i've got some trouble with my harddisk. i'm now able to mount it, but only root has access to it
[01:46] <omerniaz> I am a linux virgin :'(
[01:47] <golfen> how to fix that?
[01:47] <tanki> lsuactiafner, did you know you can run multiple X sessions in each of your TTYs?
[01:47] <lsuactiafner> i dont like X but that sounds cool
[01:47] <tanki> startx -- :1 in tty2, startx -- :2 in tty3, etc
[01:48] <lsuactiafner> you got a link to set it up?
[01:48] <lsuactiafner> cool
[01:48] <tiglionabbit> hey guys, has anyone here tried to print from firefox?
[01:48] <tanki> going from memory though
[01:48] <jg123> rubin -- would the section on getting sound to work properly in GNOME be what i am looking for (flash and java in firefox make no sound)
[01:48] <tiglionabbit> it's really not working out for me at all
[01:48] <Rubin> omerniaz: what was the video card again?
[01:48] <tanki> and then after they load up, you press something like alt ctr Fn to switch between them
[01:48] <Rubin> jg123: somewhere on ubuntuguide or ubuntuforum i read the answer.. search for it there
[01:48] <Rubin> java sound
[01:48] <Rubin> or the like
[01:49] <omerniaz> Rubin : Mobile Intel 915GM/GMS , 910 GML Graphics Adapter <--- Got it from windows.. system tab..
[01:49] <Rubin> hmm
[01:49] <zorba64> omerniaz, do you know the ranges for your monitor?
[01:49] <Rubin> wonder if the i810 drivers work with that
[01:49] <Rubin> zorba64: does anyone? honestly?
[01:49] <lsuactiafner> 810 is evill....
[01:49] <omerniaz> Its not a monitor its a lcd panel u know the one which comes in a laptop
[01:50] <jg123> rubin - not in guide -- trying forum     thanks
[01:50] <Azmodan> I just bought an all-in-one printer / scanner (Epson Stylus CX4600).  The printer works but I Xsane won't find the scanner on start.  Any pointer ?
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> Azmodan : hate to say this.. but... /me points you to google.com
[01:50] <chodenode> can somebody recommend to me a good app to build web pages?
[01:50] <zorba64> yeah i do, when i installed Ubuntu, it did not write the VertRefresh and HorizSync values
[01:51] <zorba64> i ended up with a "out of range" shit on my screen
[01:51] <GMachine_24> nvu is ok as a simplistic html app
[01:51] <tanki> chodenode, i never liked composers so i can't point you to one but i can tell you what worked for me, because i had the time i would find someone else's website that i liked and copy it to local disk and then pick it apart by modifying the source until i got an idea of what i was doing
[01:51] <GMachine_24> *simple
[01:51] <lsuactiafner>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf has options for sync rates..
[01:51] <tanki> ground up approach, slow but works
[01:51] <omerniaz> but what are my vertrefresh and horizsync rates
[01:52] <lsuactiafner> tanki : i do the same..
[01:52] <GMachine_24> me, too
[01:52] <lsuactiafner> omerniaz : look @ your laptop manual or something
[01:52] <GMachine_24> we're all thieves........or borrowers....
[01:52] <omerniaz> hmm..
[01:52] <tiglionabbit> hey, somebody on hoary, please go to a website and print it out.  Is it working for anybody else?  Because this printing is ridiculously bad for me...
[01:52] <zorba64> who else has laptop here...havent had to mess with one of thoses yet...
[01:52] <GMachine_24> i'm still trying to connect my network printer
[01:52] <tiglionabbit> it totally mangles the page, and misses some of the text on it
[01:52] <tiglionabbit> a lot of the text on it
[01:53] <GMachine_24> maybe you should buy a windows machine.
[01:53] <GMachine_24> j/k
[01:53] <Rubin> omerniaz: what kind of laptop again?
[01:53] <omerniaz> Display Tech WXGA TFT Active Matrix
[01:53] <tanki> ok so who wants to tie GMachine_24 up? i have the rope ready :)
[01:53] <omerniaz> HP Pavilion DV4049EA
[01:53] <omerniaz> It is the HP Pavilion DV4000 Series
[01:54] <omerniaz> Display Size 15.4 in.
[01:54] <GMachine_24> i was at the dentist today.... the drugs are probably still roaming around my body
[01:54] <zorba64> tanki, just make sure you wet the rope
[01:54] <omerniaz> Display Max. Resolution 1280 x 800
[01:54] <omerniaz> Graphic Processor Intel Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 900
[01:54] <tiglionabbit> damnit this is ridiculous!
[01:54] <tiglionabbit> it doesn't print out most of the text on the page!
[01:54] <tiglionabbit> grr
[01:54] <anto9us> tiglionabbit: is it a laser?
[01:54] <GMachine_24> uhm.
[01:55] <tiglionabbit> no, it's a deskjet
[01:55] <Rubin> omerniaz: open xorg.conf and look at HorizSync and VertRefresh values currently set
[01:55] <tiglionabbit> hp deskjet 920C
[01:55] <tiglionabbit> it prints fine from any program other than firefox
[01:55] <Rubin> omerniaz: tell us what they are right now
[01:55] <GMachine_24> ahh.
[01:56] <Rubin> omerniaz: it'll be in something called Section "Monitor"
[01:56] <omerniaz> hmmm..
[01:56] <omerniaz> i plated with it with the xorgconfig utility
[01:56] <Rubin> hm?
[01:56] <Rubin> plated?
[01:56] <anto9us> tiglionabbit: have you set it to shrink to fit?
[01:56] <tiglionabbit> anto9us: I believe so, yes
[01:57] <tiglionabbit> anto9us: actually, I've tried it both ways
[01:57] <jayparadise> anyone want to trade nfs shares?
[01:57] <Rubin> omerniaz: just use a text editor to look at it. nano or the like
[01:57] <omerniaz> *played
[01:57] <jayparadise> i have 120 gb nfs hd ready to export for a share in treturn
[01:57] <jayparadise> cus ive never used it remotley
[01:58] <Thorrn4> hello!! my sound seems to have left me...how can I get it back?
[01:58] <omerniaz> okay brb in 5 mins go to reboot and go in that
[01:58] <stan-am> hey guys
[01:58] <jayparadise> go to /etc/init.d
[01:58] <tiglionabbit> Thorrn4: right-click your speaker icon, and go through every single section you can find and turn it up, for all devices it lists
[01:58] <jayparadise> and see if somehting there pretains to sound
[01:58] <tiglionabbit> Thorrn4: especially PCM
[01:58] <stan-am> im having a problem with evolution email when sending a message :" Error while performing operation.
[01:58] <stan-am> MAIL FROM command failed: Must issue a STARTTLS command first 63sm2659864rna."
[01:58] <GMachine_24> you might want to check this page re: firefox printing problems http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23845.html
[01:58] <Rubin> Thorrn4: try killall esd
[01:59] <Thorrn4> Rubin, what will that do?
[01:59] <Rubin> stan-am: your ISP requires encription
[01:59] <tiglionabbit> Thorrn4: also, if you just rebooted and it's not working, it could be that ESD is not configured properly.  To see if ESD is getting in the way, you could "killall esd" and then try to make sound.  But you should eventually find a way to configure it.  I hear Breezy will work better
[01:59] <Rubin> Thorrn4: kill the sound server
[01:59] <stan-am> Rubin: anyway i can fix that? or any setting?
[01:59] <Rubin> stan-am: theres settings in evolution to use tls encription
[02:00] <Rubin> ask your ISP for detalis how to configure it
[02:00] <Rubin> every mailserver is different
[02:00] <stan-am> im using gmail
[02:00] <glick> wtf why cant my shit connect to security.ubuntu.com
[02:00] <glick> ?
[02:01] <concept10> anyone seen war of the worlds yet?
[02:01] <lsuactiafner> glick : shit aint engineered to connect to the internet..
[02:01] <stan-am> Rubin: do u remember where is that setting?
[02:01] <lsuactiafner> neh but it doesnt look too good?
[02:01] <glick> when i do apt-get update
[02:02] <glick> and then apt-get upgrade i get errors when it tries to connect and download the packages
[02:02] <glick> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/w/wget/wget_1.9.1-10ubuntu2.1_i386.deb  Could not connect to security.ubuntu.com:80 (82.211.81.151). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[02:02] <Rubin> stan-am: its in there where you configure outgoing mail
[02:02] <Rubin> stan-am: in evolution. no i dont remember details
[02:03] <Rubin> glick: the rest of your internet work ok?
[02:03] <glick> Rubin, yeah im talkin on irc with you on the same machine
[02:03] <stan-am> Rubin: thats fine dude, ill check it out, thnx
[02:03] <Rubin> hm
[02:03] <lsuactiafner> glick : might be becuase you are stuck behind a proxy
[02:03] <tiglionabbit> what is up with my printing problems?
[02:04] <glick> im not behind a proxy
[02:04] <Rubin> glick: the server works for me
[02:04] <Rubin> glick: maybe your dns is broken?
[02:04] <glick> Rubin, my web works find too
[02:05] <devnull> any particular reason php is calling mysql_pconnect undefined ?
[02:05] <cut0ff> hi there
[02:05] <Rubin> glick: can you go to http://security.ubuntu.com with your browser?
[02:06] <glick> Rubin, no i can not
[02:06] <Rubin> glick: i can
[02:06] <Rubin> glick: somethin up with the network.. either yours or theirs
[02:07] <glick> lol it connects me to microsoft.com
[02:07] <glick> lol
[02:07] <Rubin> ?
[02:07] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[02:07] <robotgeek_> finally, i got gnome to work with openbox and at 96 dpi :)
[02:07] <lsuactiafner> glick : i think the server you are behind is messing with your connection
[02:08] <glick> lsuactiafner, no
[02:08] <glick> something is screwy with ubunty
[02:08] <tiglionabbit> hey guys, what's the print command for a postscript file?
[02:09] <robotgeek_> tiglionabbit, i still havent gotten mplayer working...i am gonna compile from source!
[02:10] <tiglionabbit> ok, good luck
[02:10] <TokenBad> ok guys..question...i had a old sb4220 modem..and just replaced it with a ambit u10c018 modem...
[02:10] <lsuactiafner> robotgeek_ : apt-get build-dep mplayer
[02:10] <lsuactiafner> then compile.
[02:10] <robotgeek_> tiglionabbit, what do u mean...printing for a postscript...print to a postscript!
[02:10] <TokenBad> when had the sb4220 modem my speed was registering about 3 to 4 mbit
[02:10] <robotgeek_> lsuactiafner, thanks for that...
[02:10] <TokenBad> now with this modem it has dropped to 1mbit
[02:10] <tiglionabbit> I want to send this postscript file to my printer
[02:10] <TokenBad> I have rebooted both computer and modem
[02:10] <devnull> wow mysql_connect .. undefined ... that is fudged
[02:10] <TokenBad> and nothing
[02:11] <TokenBad> any ideas?
[02:11] <cut0ff> can anyone tell me if 'apt-build' works fine on Ubuntu?
[02:11] <tiglionabbit> guys what's the print command?
[02:11] <action09> lpr
[02:11] <robotgeek_> tiglionabbit, i think lpr
[02:12] <robotgeek_> lsuactiafner, do i need to change my sources.list file?
[02:12] <action09> tiglionabbit  lpq to see the queue and  lprm # to remove # from queue.. afair
[02:12] <frank> cut0ff: I think it does (to biuld from a source dep?)
[02:12] <lsuactiafner> robotgeek_ : nope
[02:12] <tiglionabbit> robotgeek_: thanks.  Lets see if it worked
[02:12] <lsuactiafner> and there is a script on my site that automates the build..
[02:12] <frank> cut0ff: I think it does (to biuld from a source deb?)
[02:12] <lsuactiafner> tho i havent really tested it..
[02:13] <lsuactiafner> http://www.rootshell.be/~edc look under linux, its not endorsed by ubuntu or anyone..
[02:13] <lsuactiafner> apt-get build-dep only gets the libs to build mplayer
[02:13] <tiglionabbit> grr, my postscript file prints all wrong!
[02:13] <lsuactiafner> and you might want latest source
[02:14] <cut0ff> Thanks frank
[02:14] <MathManJeffy> hello!
[02:15] <yaaar> word
[02:16] <robotgeek_> lsuactiafner, it cribs about not having the source package for mplayer! (i tried mplayer-powerpc mplayer-g4 mplayer-custom )
[02:16] <tiglionabbit> can anyone help me?
[02:17] <robotgeek_> tiglionabbit, what are you trying to print to ps?
[02:17] <tiglionabbit> I'm trying to print the postscript to my printer
[02:17] <tiglionabbit> and it doesn't come out right
[02:18] <yaaar> how do i start a service on boot? like '/etc/init.d/whatever start' works just fine, but where do I go to make that permenant?
[02:18] <mwe> yaaar, man update-rc.d
[02:18] <yaaar> slick thanks
[02:19] <robotgeek_> tiglionabbit, well...i am sorry, dunno much abt that..
[02:19] <robotgeek_> tiglionabbit, it works fine for me, out of the box!
[02:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone know a site to test my internet speed?
[02:19] <tiglionabbit> it's never worked for me
[02:20] <yaaar> BROKEN_LADDER, how fast is it supposed to be?
[02:20] <robotgeek_> tiglionabbit, does the printer print correctly under windows/os x, do pdf's print out right?
[02:21] <lsuactiafner> BROKEN_LADDER : make your nick lowercase, also, just download some huge 700mb file from a very fast ftp server and check the speed, kernel.org has a 30mb file you can get.. should give a reasonable benchmark tho
[02:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> i dunno exactly.  it's the cheap sbc dsl in sf
[02:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> my nick is da bomb
[02:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> don't hate
[02:22] <tiglionabbit> robotgeek_: yes, and yes
[02:22] <tiglionabbit> or, I should try a pdf
[02:23] <yaaar> BROKEN_LADDER, it's a PITA to hold shift while we type stuff to you. If you want to head to http://download.tranquility.net there are some random compressed files there you can test with. Should be at least 5mbps or so available
[02:23] <robotgeek_> tiglionabbit, convert ps to pdf, and print the pdf
[02:23] <tiglionabbit> how do I do that, robotgeek_ ?
[02:23] <yaaar> BROKEN_LADDER, if you want more of a 'test app' kind of thing, you can go to dslreports.com ...but i've found they aren't always that accurate
[02:24] <robotgeek_> tiglionabbit, i don't think you have ps2pdf installed, so lemme pull up the name of the package to install
[02:24] <robotgeek_> tiglionabbit, how do u do that?
[02:24] <lsuactiafner> wget link
[02:25] <lsuactiafner> shows current and average rate @ end
[02:25] <tiglionabbit> no, it doesn't print pdfs properly
[02:25] <tiglionabbit> bleh
[02:25] <yaaar> hey guys, i'm a bit confused by this output:
[02:25] <yaaar> root@todd:/home/todd # update-rc.d asterisk remove
[02:25] <yaaar> update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/asterisk exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force)
[02:25] <tiglionabbit> found one, and it just printed a line down the center of the page instead of any text
[02:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> 384.0 Kbps  	   	 DSL/Cable 384k    	
[02:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> 
[02:25] <BROKEN_LADDER>   	768.0 Kbps 	  	 DSL/Cable 768k   	
[02:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> 
[02:25] <BROKEN_LADDER>   	1211.8 Kbps - You 	  	  1211.8 kbps 	
[02:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> 
[02:25] <BROKEN_LADDER>   	1500.0 Kbps 	  	 Cable/DSL 1.5Mbps   	Find ISP
[02:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> oops
[02:26] <lsuactiafner> dude dont paste.
[02:26] <lsuactiafner> heh
[02:26] <yaaar> BROKEN_LADDER, what you tryin to say?
[02:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> i pay 5.86 plus 6$ tax for my measured rate phone line, then my dsl is 15 per month plus some tax.
[02:26] <flarfu> i'm trying to get kismet to run on my ipw2200 wireless card
[02:26] <fisch_> Hello! i (someone from Austria) have a litle problem with cal: cal 2 2005 prints out a month named Feber but it sould be Februar...
[02:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> i meant to paste one line
[02:26] <mwe> yaaar, it means the program is still installed
[02:26] <flarfu> but i'm getting 'Unknown capture source type 'ipw2200''
[02:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> isn't that a pretty good bandwidth rate?
[02:26] <robotgeek_> tiglionabbit, well...i think it might have a problem with postscript fonts not being configured properly. But, I am way outta my league here!
[02:26] <lsuactiafner> BROKEN_LADDER : i pay $75 for a phone line and a 4k/s modem dialup
[02:27] <mwe> yaaar, use update-rc.d -f to remove the links anyway
[02:27] <yaaar> BROKEN_LADDER, so, you only pay $27 *total* for a phone line and 1.5mbps ADSL? That's incredible
[02:27] <tiglionabbit> robotgeek_: what can I do?
[02:27] <lsuactiafner> adsl aint even available here..
[02:27] <yaaar> mwe, so it complains and requires a force argument to have a service installed but not starting on boot?
[02:27] <yaaar> that's really dumb
[02:27] <lsuactiafner> and if it was it would have a 3G cap @ 192k/s
[02:27] <yaaar> thanks for the explanation though mwe
[02:27] <mwe> yaaar, yes
[02:27] <cut0ff> man update-rc.d
[02:28] <yaaar> thanks cut0ff already have that page open
[02:28] <tanki> lsuactiafner, you might want to consider wardriving :)
[02:28] <lsuactiafner> tanki : wireless hasnt really caught on here
[02:28] <flarfu> has anyone had success with ipw2200 and kismet?
[02:28] <robotgeek_> tiglionabbit, is the printer configured correctly? cups test page prints correctly?
[02:29] <knowledge_> when ever someone get's a chance and is willing, I need help with something
[02:29] <tiglionabbit> robotgeek_: yes
[02:29] <tanki> lsuactiafner, you might be suprised how many open wifi spots there are even in the most unlikely places
[02:30] <robotgeek_> tiglionabbit, weird...sorry, but i have no idea of what to do.
[02:30] <lsuactiafner> tanki : there aint wirelss here..
[02:30] <alberto__> what is the name of xorg-x11-devel on Ubuntu aptitude ?
[02:30] <robotgeek_> tiglionabbit, half knowledge is dangerous!
[02:30] <yaaar> lsuactiafner, where's "here"? wifi is all over
[02:30] <knowledge_> huh?
[02:30] <mwe> alberto__, xlibs-dev
[02:30] <robotgeek_> knowledge_, at your service!
[02:31] <knowledge_> Helllo...thanks
[02:31] <tanki> oh you live in africa? sorry
[02:31] <lsuactiafner> south-africa, north-west province, potch
[02:31] <alberto__> thans mwe
[02:31] <tanki> haha
[02:31] <knowledge_> I have a dell Inspiron 8200, and I'm trying to install the utils and it keeps telling me that it can't find /proc/i8k
[02:31] <tanki> lsuactiafner, put some antennas on a wild elephant hehe
[02:32] <lin_> Hi. I was just wondering why my drives show up in the base account on my pc but not in the others?
[02:32] <tanki> wardriving oldschool
[02:32] <lsuactiafner> i hate this country, racism is just as bad as ever, the government is currupt like any other african government and everything is getting wrose.
[02:32] <yaaar> knowledge_, have you installed i8kutils?
[02:32] <alberto__> da muziK
[02:32] <knowledge_> yeap
[02:32] <alberto__> :D
[02:32] <knowledge_> I think it's missing i8k.o
[02:32] <robotgeek_> knowledge_, i dunno anything abt that... yaaar seems to know!
[02:32] <tanki> lsuactiafner, do you atleast have air conditioning?
[02:32] <lsuactiafner> alberto__ : just apt-get build-dep package before you compile source..
[02:33] <yaaar> well...i sold my 8100 about 2.5 years ago....but once upon a time i dealt with those drivers
[02:33] <lsuactiafner> tanki : no
[02:33] <tanki> ouch
[02:33] <lsuactiafner> but there is runnin water and electricity fscks off once a week
[02:33] <lsuactiafner> but soon enough they will ration power like they do in other african counries
[02:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> This file will self-destruct in five minutes.
[02:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_o
[02:34] <lsuactiafner> in the end rsa will become like kenya or any other country under bad leadership
[02:34] <yaaar> knowledge_, do 'lsmod | grep -i i8k'
[02:34] <lsuactiafner> many of the ministers dont even have high school
[02:34] <tanki> lsuactiafner, californians know about that, before ah-nold took over they were providing electricity to people at mini-bar prices heh
[02:34] <knowledge_> as su?
[02:34] <yaaar> knowledge_, yeah
[02:34] <lsuactiafner> tanki : he a good leader or not?
[02:34] <tanki> he's pretty decent
[02:34] <tanki> the guy before him was a joke
[02:34] <knowledge_> ok
[02:34] <knowledge_> done
[02:34] <alberto__> lsuactiafner, what?
[02:35] <lsuactiafner> i think if you have the dedication + dicipline to build a body like he had you must have some good in you
[02:35] <lsuactiafner> alberto__ : what?
[02:35] <cut0ff> alberto__  run 'man apt-get'
[02:36] <alberto__> ???
[02:36] <tanki> his wife scares me though
[02:36] <alberto__> i dont ask nothing about "APT"
[02:36] <yaaar> knowledge_, did you get any output from that?
[02:36] <alberto__> .............
[02:36] <lsuactiafner> alberto__ : i also had problems with compiles.. apt-get build-dep package ; then get source + compile package yourself
[02:36] <lsuactiafner> apt-get install package also works
[02:36] <knowledge_> yaaar, nothing
[02:36] <cut0ff> alberto__ sorry for that
[02:37] <lsuactiafner> as i see rsa, we will end up like zimbabwe
[02:37] <alberto__> hum, what is the name of qt3 package under ubuntu
[02:38] <lsuactiafner> white farmers here aint forced of the land, but the government inports cheap crops so all white farmers are going bankcrumpt
[02:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> His eyes were cold.  As cold as the bitter winter snow that was falling
[02:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> outside.  Yes, cold and therefore difficult to chew...
[02:38] <mwe> alberto__, apt-cache search libqt3
[02:38] <cut0ff> alberto__  libqt3??
[02:38] <tanki> ever thought about getting american citizenship?
[02:38] <alberto__> libqt3 dont exist
[02:38] <alberto__> =/
[02:38] <robotgeek_> gnome + openbox -> rocks!
[02:38] <lsuactiafner> tanki : not as easy to get it
[02:38] <mwe> libqt3c102-mt
[02:39] <mbirkis> robotgeek_: what is openbox?
[02:39] <tanki> true
[02:39] <cut0ff> alberto__ what repositories do you have?
[02:39] <lsuactiafner> and i'd rather get into europe
[02:39] <tanki> getting a visa in uk is harder than any other country in the world
[02:39] <Madpilot> evening all...
[02:39] <lsuactiafner> thats where my ancestors came from 400yrs ago..
[02:39] <mwe> alberto__, what apt-cache search libqt3 gives you nothing?
[02:39] <Cooner750> hello
[02:39] <alberto__> oficials
[02:39] <alberto__> Hoary
[02:39] <lsuactiafner> easy enough to get visa in uk and getting an opportunity to live there than america..
[02:40] <alberto__> clean install
[02:40] <alberto__> with full KDE and Full Gnome apps
[02:40] <alberto__> and libs
[02:40] <mwe> then libqt must already be installed
[02:40] <yaaar> knowledge_, k, try 'modprobe i8k'
[02:40] <Cooner750> how dependable is GParted? I'm backing up data to DVDs right now just in case
[02:40] <tanki> i thought they had the strictest requirements
[02:40] <yaaar> knowledge_, although from the looks of things i think you may have to compile a new kernel
[02:40] <robotgeek_> mbirkis, openbox is a window manager like fluxbox,blackbox
[02:40] <alberto__> libqt3c102 no?
[02:41] <mbirkis> robotgeek_: ok
[02:41] <lsuactiafner> yay my newest mplayer install script works
[02:41] <lsuactiafner> MPlayer dev-CVS-050716-02:32-3.3.5 (C) 2000-2005 MPlayer Team
[02:41] <Kris> hello, my son deleted the gnome start menu thingy from my desktop, does anyone know how to get it back?
[02:41] <knowledge_> nothing with that either yaaar
[02:41] <tanki> can mplayer rip dvds
[02:41] <Cooner750> ??
[02:41] <lsuactiafner> tanki : yeh
[02:41] <tanki> nice
[02:41] <gverig> Where are boot-time configurations for Alsa stored?
[02:41] <lsuactiafner> tanki : mencoder part of mplayer
[02:41] <Cooner750> anybody?
[02:41] <gverig> I get all/most of the channels muted on startup :(
[02:41] <lsuactiafner> tanki : has 3pass encodin, takes forever but the results are amazing
[02:41] <mwe> alberto__, libqt3c102-mt it is here
[02:41] <anto9us> Kris: you could create a new user and copy the config files from that user's folder
[02:41] <mbirkis> what commands do i use to enable disable services in the boot?
[02:41] <tanki> rips them to .vob files right?
[02:42] <mwe> alberto__, it must be installed already if KDE is
[02:42] <tanki> or does it encode too
[02:42] <lsuactiafner> gverig : alsamixer up the volume, then alsactl store to store it for reboots
[02:42] <Madpilot> hey, if I'm trying to get periodic NTP checks done, should I let ntp.conf be overwritten?
[02:42] <cut0ff> Kris try to delete (or rename) your .gome directory
[02:42] <Kris> anto9us I have no idea what that means
[02:42] <lsuactiafner> tanki : rips em to anything you want
[02:42] <gverig> lsuactiafner: Thanks!
[02:42] <dBOFH> hey, which is the plugin needed for playing mp3 in rhythmbox ?
[02:42] <tanki> so it rips and encodes, nice
[02:42] <Kris> ok I'll try that just a sec
[02:42] <lsuactiafner> tanki : even wmv if inclined...
[02:42] <alberto__> libqt3c102-mt is already the newest version.
[02:42] <yaaar> knowledge_, oh cool, if you didn't get any output from the modprobe command it should have loaded. try the previous command again (the 'lsmod' one...hit the up arrow a few times to get it back)
[02:42] <alberto__> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1 (20021021)) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!
[02:42] <alberto__>  <-- ERROR
[02:42] <Cooner750> anybody??????? "how dependable is GParted? I'm backing up data to DVDs right now just in case"?
[02:43] <mwe> alberto__, are you trying to compile something or what?
[02:43] <lsuactiafner> alberto__ : run ldconfig
[02:43] <alberto__> a style for KDE
[02:43] <Kris> so I just rm -rf .gnome
[02:43] <Kris> right?
[02:43] <alberto__> lsuactiafner, i do it
[02:43] <knowledge_> i8k 6160 0
[02:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Paranoid schizophrenics outnumber their enemies at least two to one
[02:43] <mwe> alberto__, you need libqt3-headers and libqt3-dev then
[02:43] <alberto__> mwe, i have too
[02:43] <lsuactiafner> Kris : could work.. but backup the directory 1st just in case
[02:43] <cut0ff> Kris  better to rename it
[02:44] <lsuactiafner> yeh do as cut0ff said
[02:44] <noob-leech> Hi, a question...
[02:44] <lsuactiafner> mv .gnome gnome_backup
[02:44] <noob-leech> After I installed my ATI drivers... my Totem Movie Player does not seem to be working.
[02:44] <Kris> ok I did cp and then rm but now what, restart the computer? or just refresh the desktop?
[02:44] <lsuactiafner> noob-leech : yeh i do also, why do you feel the need to warn us you are about to ask something?
[02:45] <mwe> alberto__, ldconfig doesn't help?
[02:45] <alberto__> nope
[02:45] <alberto__> :S
[02:45] <lsuactiafner> noob-leech : ask totem ppl.. but i think its something to do with -vo xv
[02:45] <zqm> hi
[02:45] <noob-leech> Okay... thanks.
[02:45] <zqm> good moring
[02:45] <lsuactiafner> something along those lines, totem is using the wtong video out device
[02:45] <Kris> ok killall nautilus did ot work
[02:45] <mwe> alberto__, ./configure --help|grep qt
[02:45] <lsuactiafner> Kris : killall -9
[02:45] <Kris> ok
[02:46] <mwe> alberto__, then give it the path to the at headers
[02:46] <Cooner750> can I get a answer here?
[02:46] <lsuactiafner> and Kris : if you want to see something very funny killall -9 -1 and dont panic too much.. and dont do it
[02:46] <lsuactiafner> actually just kill but heh (:
[02:46] <Kris> :p
[02:47] <lsuactiafner> Cooner750 : what?
[02:47] <Kris> ok nothing happened
[02:47] <Cooner750> how dependable is GParted?
[02:47] <Kris> it just refreshed the desktop
[02:47] <Kris> the panel is still missing
[02:47] <lsuactiafner> no idea.. but if someone does know they will tell you Cooner750 : ask the gparted ppl
[02:47] <Cooner750> i'm backing up stuff right now just in case. I'm resizing a FAT32 Partition and adding a EXT3 Partition in the empty space
[02:47] <alberto__>  ./configure --help|grep qt dont help :p
[02:47] <lsuactiafner> Cooner750 : if you got backusp dont worry...
[02:48] <Cooner750> Will Ubuntu install on a EXT3 partition?
[02:48] <dBOFH> hello all, what do i need to do in order to play mp3s in rhythymbox ?
[02:48] <alberto__> ./configure --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3 still with errors
[02:48] <anto9us> Cooner750: I've done that very thing, after backing up, had no problems
[02:48] <lsuactiafner> alberto__ : grep -i qt
[02:48] <Kris> ugh I can't even log out of X without the gnome panel thingy
[02:48] <lsuactiafner> Kris : press control alt backspace and dont panic
[02:48] <Cooner750> Glad I have a DVD Burner. I can fit 4.7GB on one DVD :)
[02:48] <dabar> dBOFH: well, wiki.ubuntu.com/restrictedformats
[02:49] <anto9us> Cooner750: yes, Ubuntu likes ext3
[02:49] <jsimmons> what program should I use to create mp3's off a cd?
[02:49] <Kris> ok I'm at a login prompt
[02:49] <cut0ff> Kris run 'sudo gnome-panel &'
[02:49] <dabar> did you guys get the notice about the testing for freenode?
[02:49] <Cooner750> Ok. This DVD is almost done
[02:49] <dBOFH> dabar, thxns
[02:49] <dabar> welcome
[02:49] <Cooner750> this is the 2nd one. My Music collection is 4.2 GB :p
[02:49] <Hoxzer> how do I kill processes in gnome?
[02:49] <Kris> ok gnome is back up, still no start menu thingy
[02:49] <lsuactiafner> jsimmons : cdparanoia but there are programs that automatically adds the correct name
[02:50] <dabar> Hoxzer: in a terminal, or how, there is even a GUI I think.
[02:50] <lsuactiafner> Cooner750 : i got 27000 (;
[02:50] <jsimmons> the name of the song you mean?
[02:50] <Cooner750> :P
[02:50] <jsimmons> i've never made a mp3 before
[02:50] <cut0ff> Kris try to reinstall 'sudo apt-get install -reinstall gnome-panel'
[02:50] <Hoxzer> dabar: how to I check the ID of the process?
[02:50] <lsuactiafner> jsimmons : yeh
[02:50] <Cooner750> Ah. Pretty red light on DVD burner. lol :P
[02:50] <Kris> sudo gnome-panel & gave me the following
[02:50] <Kris> [1] +  Stopped                 sudo gnome-panel
[02:50] <dBOFH> dabar, the link is OK, only that I have to create the entry :)
[02:50] <dabar> Hoxzer: ok, the GUI is at Applications>Sys Tools>System Monitor, I think that should be enough for you to kill it.
[02:51] <Cooner750> i'm doing the work on a external HD, so I plan on backing up the rest of the stuff to the internal NTFS partition.
[02:51] <lsuactiafner> Kris : control alt backspace.. should restart X and reload things
[02:51] <dabar>  /RestrictedFormats may work then.
[02:51] <cut0ff> Kris  oops i'm wrong
[02:51] <Cooner750> Since the NTFS Partition doesnt even mount I think I'm safe, no?
[02:51] <Hoxzer> Dabar: I can't acces there I need to kill this azureus first
[02:51] <Kris> lsuactiafner it did but the stat menu is still gone
[02:51] <lsuactiafner> anyone know of a nice util to rip a cd that auto-names the cds?
[02:51] <dabar> terrminal.
[02:51] <lsuactiafner> hmmm
[02:51] <IIIEars> "Cat"-tastrophe - cat urinated on the external USB drive 10 mins after a bath. - lol
[02:51] <dabar> killall azureus
[02:52] <cut0ff> Kris trt to reinstall by 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall gnome-panel'
[02:52] <Hoxzer> it has no effect
[02:52] <IIIEars> salvaged the drive. (while holding nose) and linux reformatted it.
[02:52] <lsuactiafner> lol IIIEars
[02:52] <dabar> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats ya it is that.
[02:52] <yaaar> Cooner750, you're not planning on writing to that NTFS volume from Linux, are you?
[02:52] <Cooner750> no
[02:52] <Kris> cut0ff: ok trying that
[02:52] <yaaar> k
[02:53] <dabar> hoxzer. hm.
[02:53] <dabar> top?
[02:53] <Cooner750> My setup is a Internal NTFS with XP on it. That doesnt even mount so I'm backing the huge stuff up to it. I believe it's safe, since after runing Ubuntu; nothing changes on it
[02:53] <Cooner750> And a external FAT32 that is going to be resized and a EXT3 added
[02:53] <Cooner750> for Ubuntu
[02:54] <Cooner750> Does Ubuntu need more than 1 partiton? Or can it work with only 1?
[02:54] <dabar> works with one...
[02:54] <Cooner750> k
[02:54] <Hoxzer> Dabar: I just tells me "azureus: no process killed"
[02:54] <yaaar> Cooner750, so, you're going to boot off that external drive?
[02:54] <Kris> still no start menu thingy
[02:54] <dabar> then none is running.
[02:54] <mwe> I'd make a swap partition too
[02:54] <Kris> what is the start menu thingy called anyway
[02:54] <anto9us> Cooner750: with an external / you might need to make a /boot on the internal drive
[02:54] <yaaar> Cooner750, and you can use just one partition if you like
[02:55] <Cooner750> yaaar: yea
[02:55] <dabar> do: top, in a terminal
[02:55] <Kris> the one that's at the top of the screen by default
[02:55] <dabar> see if you see the process there.
[02:55] <cut0ff> Kris odd thing
[02:55] <Cooner750> For one thin, the BIOS can boot from USB, and 2; I'm going to add it to the Windows XP Boot.ini
[02:55] <Kris> gnome-panel seems to be the one at the bottom of the screen
[02:55] <Cooner750> thing*
[02:55] <dabar> kris, both are gnome panels.
[02:55] <dabar> Bottom, and top panel.
[02:55] <yaaar> Cooner750, i think i agree with anto9us....I'd prolly put /boot on the internal and write grub to that drive too
[02:55] <Hoxzer> Dabar: but it is :D
[02:55] <dabar> right click on the top one, and select add to panel.
[02:55] <Kris> dabar, ok
[02:56] <Cooner750> yaaar: that what i'
[02:56] <Kris> the top one is gone
[02:56] <Cooner750> 'll do
[02:56] <Kris> can't right click it
[02:56] <Cooner750> brb. botting LiveCD
[02:56] <dabar> ri\ght click on the bottom one, and New Panel, then
[02:56] <Cooner750> booting*
[02:56] <Kris> my son right clicked it then clicked delete panel
[02:56] <yaaar> Cooner750, well, if you know the bios doesn't have a problem with the usb drive, then sure, just throw it all in one partition
[02:56] <Kris> ok
[02:56] <dabar> as many times until you get the top one, kris.
[02:56] <dabar> then delete ones you dont want.
[02:56] <tiglionabbit> hey guys, does the default test print page have any text on it?
[02:57] <dabar> then, right click, add to panel which things(I think called applets) you want.
[02:57] <anto9us> tiglionabbit: yes
[02:57] <Kris> ugh that means I have to recreate it from scratch?
[02:57] <dabar> tiglionabbit: has a lot of colors, some text, and the ubuntu logo.
[02:57] <dabar> it is very easy.
[02:57] <tiglionabbit> what does the text say?
[02:57] <dabar> Ill tell you what is on it.
[02:57] <alberto__> i cant compile this shitti theme http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=23871
[02:57] <dabar> do I keep a copy of the test printer page?
[02:57] <alberto__> =/
[02:58] <tiglionabbit> because my test page doesn't have any text except the %s
[02:58] <dabar> I had it around.
[02:59] <tiglionabbit> darnit I need help with my printer
[02:59] <jamal> where the hell am i?
[02:59] <Kris> ok I found how to add a new panel but that's not what I want
[02:59] <Kris> I want the old panel back....
[02:59] <dabar> kris
[02:59] <aebudz> hello, anyone got a link to help me with installing java on ubuntu im having major problems :( lol
[02:59] <dabar> it is a panel, I will tell you what to add to it.
[02:59] <dabar> go right click add to panel.
[03:00] <Hoxzer> hmm... is there anyway how I kill all processes in Gnome?
[03:00] <dabar> Then select volume control.
[03:00] <dabar> log out.
[03:00] <Kris> isn't there a way to just reestore gnome to the default settings? :-/
[03:00] <tiglionabbit> anto9us: are you on an x86?  Just add the hoary-extras repository and install sun-j2sdk1.5
[03:00] <cut0ff> Hoxzer 'sudo killall gnome'
[03:01] <dabar> aebudz: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[03:01] <aebudz> thanks dabar
[03:01] <Hoxzer> :D it just tells me "gnome: no process killed"
[03:01] <dabar> welcome.
[03:01] <dabar> log out, dude.
[03:01] <anto9us> tiglionabbit: do I really have to? I hate java
[03:01] <dabar> whats the deal, restart, what is the big deal?
[03:01] <Hoxzer> Dabar: I cant
[03:01] <Hoxzer> Azureus is too heavy and I can't move my mouse
[03:01] <dabar> Hoxzer: do you see this app?
[03:01] <Hoxzer> what app
[03:01] <tiglionabbit> anto9us: oh, I thought you wanted it
[03:02] <dabar> is it called Azureus, or azureus?
[03:02] <Hoxzer> this is diffrend comp
[03:02] <Hoxzer> Azureus but I tryed both
[03:02] <dabar> ok. good idea.
[03:02] <anto9us> tiglionabbit: wasn't me :)
[03:02] <tiglionabbit> oops, aebudz
[03:02] <tiglionabbit> lol
[03:02] <apokryphos> Azureus -- but packages in the repositories are alwas lower-case
[03:02] <tiglionabbit> mixed up your names
[03:02] <poningru> I had a question is it possible to play any other format other than a normal cd in a normal cd player?
[03:02] <dabar> Kris: I dont know, bvut, I mean, there are 4 things on the panel by default, if you are that lazy, then what?
[03:02] <poningru> like lets say I burn a cd in something like ogg
[03:03] <dabar> you mean like a sound system CD player, like in your car?
[03:03] <poningru> would it play in my normal cd
[03:03] <Kris> ok ok I thought there were dozens of things
[03:03] <poningru> dabar: yeah
[03:03] <Kris> all I really need is to be able to get to the control panel thingy
[03:03] <Kris> and maybe applications heh
[03:04] <Kris> doh
[03:04] <anto9us> Kris: sudo adduser <user name> and then log in with that name
[03:04] <aebudz> dabar i tried method one i dont have ppc and i get an error
[03:04] <alberto__> how i force a .deb pkg to install?
[03:04] <dabar> aebudz: do you know how to edit sources?
[03:04] <alberto__> dpkg -i --force?
[03:04] <aebudz> yes i did
[03:04] <Hoxzer> well I guess I have to boot then
[03:05] <aebudz> gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:05] <dabar> they changed that FAQ too.
[03:05] <dabar> well, stupid.
[03:05] <aebudz> then add that link
[03:05] <apokryphos> alberto__: yes
[03:05] <dabar> ya, then save, exit, sudo aptitude update...
[03:06] <dabar> did that?
[03:06] <aebudz> ok did that, then apt-get install sun-j2?
[03:07] <dabar> nah, sudo aptitude search sun-j2# I think its a #
[03:07] <dabar> try that.
[03:07] <aebudz> uhh nothing happened
[03:07] <Cooner750> ok back. On Ubuntu now. Trying to get gparted
[03:08] <alberto__> apokryphos, not install
[03:08] <alberto__> :S
[03:08] <apokryphos> alberto__: what is it you're trying to install?
[03:08] <apokryphos> alberto__: it of course likely still won't work; if it's not letting you install it normally there's a reason for it
[03:09] <Kris> ok i'm just reinstalling gnome altogether now
[03:09] <Kris> we'll see if that fixes it
[03:09] <tiglionabbit> dabar: you don't put a # on..
[03:09] <anto9us> Cooner750: I do believe the Ubuntu install cd promises it can resize windows partitions
[03:09] <tiglionabbit> it can
[03:09] <tiglionabbit> I've done it
[03:09] <apokryphos> !windows
[03:09] <ubotu> [windows]  Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[03:09] <apokryphos> !ntfs
[03:09] <ubotu> hmm... ntfs is the filesystem used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[03:09] <aebudz> yeah that did it
[03:09] <anto9us> Cooner750: and you can definitely create your new partitions with it
[03:10] <aebudz> what do i do after that tiglionabbit
[03:10] <aebudz> or dabar or anyone ;)
[03:10] <tiglionabbit> aebudz: after what?
[03:10] <dabar> see what package it told you.
[03:10] <dabar> then sudo aptitude install packageShownThere.
[03:10] <aebudz> k
[03:10] <aebudz> thanks
[03:10] <aebudz> just making sure :)
[03:10] <dabar> and then again edit your sources, remove the line from them, and sudo aptitude update
[03:10] <Cooner750> anto9us: ok
[03:10] <tiglionabbit> aebudz: you've got a graphical interface, right?  Just run synaptic and hit search, it's uh, simple..
[03:11] <aebudz> ...
[03:11] <aebudz> i got it
[03:11] <tiglionabbit> k good
[03:11] <aebudz> thanks dabar, tiglionabbit
[03:11] <Cooner750> I just feel more comfortable using GParted for some reason. Can you just install using the CD? Do you have to resize from the CD?
[03:11] <Kris> ok here's a question for you all, if I completely remove gnome, then reinstall it, how do I get back into it without rebooting?
[03:11] <Kris> :-/
[03:11] <anto9us> Cooner750: the choice is yours
[03:12] <Cooner750> I believe I'll just use Gparted and then install right to that position
[03:12] <Cooner750> Partition*
[03:12] <Cooner750> wow. I'm having a hard time typing tonight
[03:12] <tiglionabbit> Kris: you should be able to "startx" or "gdm" into it
[03:12] <Cooner750> Does the installer identify partitions with numbers? like disk0part1?
[03:12] <anto9us> Cooner750: that was your brain at fault, not your fingers ;)
[03:13] <Cooner750> anto9us: true :P
[03:13] <Kris> tiglionabbit: thanks, startx worked
[03:13] <dabar> Kris: serious, isnt it easy to add a panel on the top?
[03:13] <tiglionabbit> Cooner750: it identifies them by hda1 hda2 hda3 hdb1 hdb2, like that
[03:13] <apokryphos> Cooner750: kind of. Hdb, hdb1, hdb2 etc.
[03:13] <Kris> woot I have my defaults back :D
[03:13] <bungopolis> does anyone know the URL of the official skype deb repository -- i had it but lost it
[03:13] <tiglionabbit> Cooner750: A for hard disk 1, B for hard disk 2, etc, and the numbers are the partitions on them
[03:13] <Cooner750> I know it identfies my external as SDA
[03:13] <Kris> dabar yes it's easy enough to add A panel to the top, but i wanted the default panel
[03:14] <Cooner750> so if it had 2 partitons; would it be sda2?
[03:14] <kbrooks> !dict bleargh
[03:14] <ubotu> could not find definition for bleargh
[03:14] <Kris> so when I go through the ubuntu guide and it tells me to click things I know what to click :-p
[03:14] <dabar>  it can be made the same, can it not, Kris?
[03:14] <Kris> please excuse me for being a noob :-p
[03:14] <dabar> you can make it the same as the first one.
[03:14] <apokryphos> Kris: ubuntuguide is bad :P
[03:14] <Kris> it was honestly easier for me to just reinstall gnome
[03:14] <anto9us> Cooner750: yes, the letter indicates the device and the number the partition on that device
[03:14] <dabar> No, it was not, but, I mean, sure, I did stuff like that,...
[03:14] <Kris> apokryphos: ubuntuguide has been immensely helpful to me
[03:14] <apokryphos> !ubuntuguide
[03:14] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is, like, a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[03:15] <Kris> heh
[03:15] <aebudz> ok its installed dabar but when i test it in firefox it doesnt think i have it
[03:15] <punkrockguy318> Is it safe to apt-get upgrade my system from another OS on another partition using chroot?
[03:15] <Kris> before ubuntu i'd never used X at all before so I find the guide rather useful for that sort of thing
[03:15] <dabar> aebudz: well, you just installed the JVM.
[03:16] <Kris> for the command line stuff I'm not such a noob and don't need it heh
[03:16] <aebudz> what do i do now then?
[03:16] <dabar> aebudz: have to add symbolic links for FX/ff
[03:16] <aebudz> whoa
[03:16] <apokryphos> Kris: it's alright, but it won't teach you much. Wants you to blindly follow instructions
[03:16] <Kris> anyway it works now, thanks for all the help everyone
[03:16] <aebudz> how
[03:16] <Crashtest> if ubuntuguide has errors, why not contact the author?
[03:16] <dabar> kris!
[03:16] <zone17> Hi, where is the grub.conf file on ubuntu? "Find" can't find it.
[03:16] <Kris> apokryphos yes but if I just want to copy paste it's perfect hehe
[03:16] <dabar> Crashtest: not errors, plus they are more and more stupid on the # about the guide.
[03:17] <Crashtest> seems political to me
[03:17] <Frank_dot> what is the port of a ssh server?
[03:18] <zone17> Or let me refrase the question, since I can't find grub.conf, how do I mess with grub setup?
[03:18] <cafuego> Frank_dot: 22
[03:18] <anto9us> Crashtest: I think it's more like frustration after helpers here have sorted out the mess people have gotten into when using ubuntuguide
[03:18] <Frank_dot> zone17: /boot/grab
[03:18] <Frank_dot> zone17: /boot/grub
[03:18] <gverig> zone17: Whatever Frank_dot said. file menu.lst
[03:18] <zone17> Frank_dot, yes but which file. Grub normally has a grub.conf
[03:18] <gverig> zone17: (or menu.list)
[03:19] <zone17> ok thanks!
[03:19] <Crashtest> maybe the guide could just be expanded?  A little explanation after each instruction?  Newbies seem to love the guide
[03:19] <Frank_dot> cafuego: so opening port 22 should open my ssh server
[03:19] <gverig> zone17: One thing: ubuntu overwrites first portion (in the file it is marked as "generated" or something). You can add your entries toward the end
[03:19] <dabar> Crashtest: it is a fine guide, I used it extensively in the beginning, and still sometimes.
[03:20] <cafuego> Frank_dot: Normally simple installing the ssh server suffices. 'sudo apt-get install openbssh-server
[03:20] <dabar> Crashtest: everything can be done better.
[03:20] <cafuego> 'openssh-server' even
[03:20] <anto9us> Crashtest: maybe, yes
[03:20] <dabar> look at the stupid Java wiki page. Never tells you how to install the firefox-java thing.
[03:20] <Frank_dot> cafuego: yeah but my firewall (guarddog) is blocking it
[03:21] <cafuego> Frank_dot: Then yes, you'll need to open port 22.
[03:21] <cafuego> Frank_dot: tcp
[03:21] <moogman> Hey, what is the suggest GPG GUI to use?
[03:22] <dabar> altho, it seems that it works on install.
[03:22] <dabar> jsut restart ff.
[03:22] <moogman> kgpg seems to be the only supported item I can find
[03:22] <cafuego> moogman: seahorse on Gnome.
[03:22] <cafuego> moogman: That may or may not be highly unstable, though.
[03:23] <zone17> gverig, thanks
[03:23] <cafuego> Crud, how do I convert ac3 audio to WAV?
[03:23] <Cooner750> allllllright. Ubuntu froze while installing GParted. Let's try again :P
[03:24] <Frank_dot> cafuego: do you know guarddog. Whatever I do, it doesn't want to let me open port 22 for incomming connections. I'm sure I'm being stupid here somewhere
[03:25] <cafuego> Frank_dot: No, I don't know guarddog.
[03:25] <dabar> w00t, finally a Computer__Guru...
[03:25] <Computer__Guru> don't hold your breath :D
[03:25] <punkrockguy318> hmm.. I'm getting this error when I dist-upgrade on my breezy: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libs/libsndfile/libsndfile1_1.0.10-2_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[03:25] <Computer__Guru> nah, whatchya need?
[03:25] <cafuego> Computer__Guru is 12, he knows NOTHING
[03:25] <Computer__Guru> I shall do my best
[03:25] <Computer__Guru> cafuego: try 30, and I knwo a little :)
[03:25] <Computer__Guru> know
[03:26] <LinuxJones> cafuego, that's kind of rude :(
[03:26] <dabar> whats the problem tho./..
[03:26] <dabar> ya
[03:26] <cafuego> LinuxJones: That depends on how new you are
[03:26] <dabar> punkrockguy318: go ermove us. from the sources.list file.
[03:26] <Computer__Guru> born 3/16/75, saw megaforce and alien back to back at the drive in when i was 4, went to the movies with a friend by ourselves for the first time when we were seven to see ET
[03:27] <Computer__Guru> of course the theatre was a block away :D
[03:27] <dabar> Computer__Guru: anyhow, you got my joke:)
[03:27] <LinuxJones> cafuego, this isn't #debian that's how old I am
[03:27] <Computer__Guru> and my mom followed us
[03:27] <moogman> cafuego: Thank you :)
[03:27] <Computer__Guru> My son is growing up in a brave GNU world
[03:28] <liable> boohoo dont work.
[03:28] <Computer__Guru> he asked his teacher at the end of the year why none of the school computers ran linux
[03:28] <tiglionabbit> Computer__Guru: I hope my family gets like that
[03:28] <Computer__Guru> I was so proud
[03:28] <cafuego> moogman: eh?
[03:28] <tiglionabbit> =3
[03:28] <punkrockguy318> dabar, thanks
[03:28] <Computer__Guru> the teacher asked him what linux was
[03:28] <dabar> punkrockguy318: ya, happens.
[03:28] <moogman> cafuego: (RE:GPG GUI suggestion) Thank you :)
[03:28] <Frank_dot> anyone know where rejected connections attempts are logged?
[03:29] <dabar> haha, nice thing that the teacher asked him that.
[03:29] <Computer__Guru> he said: It's free and doesnt break
[03:29] <tiglionabbit> nice
[03:29] <Computer__Guru> yeah
[03:29] <Computer__Guru> i bought him a psp
[03:29] <Computer__Guru> :D
[03:29] <tiglionabbit> that is awesome
[03:29] <dabar> Frank_dot: what are you using to block them?
[03:29] <dabar> passwords;)
[03:29] <TokenBad> well changed out modems again...to a sb5120
[03:29] <Frank_dot> guarddog but I think that just edits iptables
[03:29] <Jet2k5> Hell guys
[03:29] <Jet2k5> I just installed a new monitor
[03:29] <dabar> hello
[03:29] <TokenBad> still not like it should be though..but then again going into peak time so
[03:30] <tiglionabbit> say guys, here is a visual demonstration of my problem right now: http://nickr.kicks-ass.net/~nick/badprint.jpg
[03:30] <Jet2k5> but the monitor wont stop shacking
[03:30] <Computer__Guru> he's got this old compaq p-iii 600e w/20gb hdd.. he runs kde 3.3.1 and linux 2.4.27
[03:30] <Jet2k5> shaking **
[03:30] <tiglionabbit> look at that pdf
[03:30] <cafuego> moogman: aah :-)
[03:30] <Jet2k5> is there a way to re-configure the screen?
[03:30] <Computer__Guru> laptop
[03:30] <Computer__Guru> slick box
[03:30] <Jet2k5> yeah
[03:30] <Jet2k5> oh
[03:30] <Computer__Guru> oh its based on knopix 3.7
[03:30] <Computer__Guru> +p
[03:30] <Jet2k5> anyone?
[03:30] <dabar> ok, but enough about me, lets talk about me.
[03:31] <Computer__Guru> Jet2k5: wha?
[03:31] <Jet2k5> Computer__Guru: I just got a new CRT for my laptop
[03:31] <tiglionabbit> damnit, does anyone know how to help me with this?  This sucks, and I don't have a clue what to do about it
[03:31] <dabar> Jet2k5: you can reconfigure the xserver, how would one reconfigure the monitor...
[03:31] <Jet2k5> yes that
[03:31] <Computer__Guru> roses are red, violets are blue, i suffer from multiple personality disorder, and so do i
[03:31] <dabar> crt for a laptop? that must be a big lap...
[03:31] <bur[n] er> anyone have a .deb for the latest gnomebaker 0.4??
[03:31] <dabar> haha
[03:31] <Jet2k5> The images wont stop shaking
[03:31] <dabar> lol
[03:31] <bur[n] er> it's out today and has an impressive changelog
[03:31] <Computer__Guru> jet: change your vertical refresh rate
[03:31] <Jet2k5> and it has a resolution of 1280x1024
[03:32] <dabar> tiglionabbit: so, no letters?
[03:32] <Computer__Guru> jet are you using kde or gnome?
[03:32] <tiglionabbit> dabar: exactly
[03:32] <Jet2k5> gnome
[03:32] <Computer__Guru> oh
[03:32] <dabar> tiglionabbit: weird eh:)
[03:32] <tiglionabbit> dabar: it prints some letters, but most of them it doesn't
[03:32] <Jet2k5> and I checked, it doesn't let me go higher than 1024x768
[03:32] <Computer__Guru> was gonna say use krandr to change your refresh rate
[03:32] <tiglionabbit> like on that page for instance
[03:32] <Cooner750> is it ok to update Ubuntu while running from LiveCD?
[03:32] <Cooner750> Last time I tried it froze and I had to reboot
[03:32] <Jet2k5> I know how to change it in gnome Computer__Guru
[03:32] <tiglionabbit> Cooner750: yup, it's fine, as long as you have some ram
[03:33] <Jet2k5> that tames the screen moving
[03:33] <Computer__Guru> so change it,t hat fixed the problem for me
[03:33] <tiglionabbit> Cooner750: lots of ram
[03:33] <Jet2k5> but how about getting it biger?
[03:33] <Computer__Guru> oh i dunno
[03:33] <Cooner750> I have 448MB. actually 512 but 64 goes to crappy VIA/S3G Intergrated Card
[03:33] <Cooner750> :P
[03:33] <Computer__Guru> what kind of card do you have and what driver is X using?
[03:33] <Cooner750> ok installing GParted (again)
[03:33] <Jet2k5> hold on let me check with windows
[03:34] <tiglionabbit> dabar: do you know anything I could read to understand why it does this?
[03:34] <Cooner750> I ran sudo apt-get update and then ran sudo apt-get install gparted and it's working
[03:34] <dabar> copyright laws:P
[03:34] <Cooner750> (Reading database...) is where it's at now
[03:34] <dabar> haha
[03:34] <dabar> jj.
[03:34] <Cooner750> "Unpacking GParted"
[03:34] <dabar> what have you tried? the usual stuff, like removing readding printer, and so on?
[03:34] <Computer__Guru> Jet2k5: also, in /etc/X11/Xorg.conf under display you might want to put "1280x1024" BEFORE "1024x768" on each of your Modes lines under the Screen section
[03:35] <anto9us> there's a man called computer_guru, who liked to visit #ubuntu, I remember one time, he wrote out a rhyme, because he thought it was fun to
[03:35] <Computer__Guru> then restart X
[03:35] <Computer__Guru> err xorg.conf
[03:35] <Computer__Guru> cafuego: pretty fuckin smart for a twelve year old ;)
[03:35] <ce33na> he's gone
[03:35] <Cooner750> yes! GParted is installed and running
[03:35] <Computer__Guru> oh
[03:35] <dabar> Cooner750: excellent.
[03:35] <Computer__Guru> dont i look like a dumbass :D
[03:35] <Cooner750> resizing partition now
[03:36] <dabar> Im glad he left, rather than having an argument.
[03:36] <dabar> altho...
[03:36] <Computer__Guru> nah cafuego's cool
[03:36] <ce33na> I don't think he understands the difference between refresh rate and resolution
[03:36] <Computer__Guru> he just has basic linux syndrome
[03:36] <dabar> I never liked him;)
[03:36] <dabar> hehe.
[03:36] <Frank_dot> cafuego: I figured out how to open the ssh port. I just didn't understand how guarddog worked
[03:36] <ce33na> ok, thats a new one on me. What is basic linux syndrome?
[03:36] <dabar> I am funny, but, I am leaving too.
[03:36] <dabar> later.
[03:37] <Computer__Guru> he's here
[03:37] <kbrooks> heh
[03:37] <Computer__Guru> ce33na: ever tried to go to one of the old school linux channels and get help for something? you'd be hard pressed to get anything more than rtfm out of anybody
[03:37] <Computer__Guru> that's basic linux syndrome
[03:37] <ce33na> gotcha
[03:37] <Cooner750> ok. My FAT32 partiton is recognized as "sda1"
[03:37] <Cooner750> Is that correct?
[03:37] <Computer__Guru> the elitist attitude that some people adopt once they've become adept at *nix
[03:38] <Cooner750> I would imagine that the EXT3 partiton will be "sda2"?
[03:38] <Cooner750> lets see. I have to unmount it.
[03:38] <anto9us> Cooner750: if that's the first partition you've created on your external usb driver, yes.
[03:38] <LinuxJones> Computer__Guru, we don't like that attitude here :)
[03:38] <Cooner750> excellent
[03:38] <Computer__Guru> LinuxJones: thank god
[03:38] <Cooner750> I'm unmounting it now to resize the FAT32. How much room should I leave for EXT3?
[03:38] <anto9us> Cooner750: I'm still betting you'll need a /boot on your internal drive
[03:39] <Cooner750> 4-5GB?
[03:39] <anto9us> Cooner750: that's big enough, yes
[03:39] <Computer__Guru> anto9us: if his bios supports boot from usb, he wont
[03:39] <Cooner750> It does support USB.
[03:39] <Cooner750> That's how I booted Slax for a long time. From a USB pendrive
[03:39] <Hoxzer> can I somehow setup a timer for command?
[03:39] <ce33na> the debian channel was full of that garbage the other day. Debian is beginning to go through the x.org transition and one of my machines X server broke. After a riveting flamewar, I switched the machine to ubuntu.
[03:40] <Cooner750> how many GB is 14,652MB?
[03:40] <Cooner750> oops. nevermind
[03:40] <flgr> short question about shipit: I'll get a mail confirmation when my order is processed?
[03:40] <Computer__Guru> ce33na: so you feel my pain.. the slack clan has it the worst, but old school debian enthusiasts can be pretty bad
[03:40] <Cooner750> wrong #
[03:41] <Cooner750> is 5037MB enough?
[03:41] <flgr> coobra: 14 GB
[03:41] <Computer__Guru> Cooner750: yes
[03:41] <Cooner750> ok. closing my eyes and hitting "Resize"
[03:41] <Frank_dot> Cooner750: you also need a swap partition
[03:41] <ce33na> Computer__Guru: I see that I am not the only ex-Slack/ex-Debian user here.
[03:41] <Cooner750> frank_dot: ?
[03:41] <Computer__Guru> Frank_dot: only if he has less than 512mb ram
[03:41] <ce33na> :)
[03:42] <anto9us> I tried debian for a few weeks before discovering ubuntu
[03:42] <Cooner750> I have 512MB RAM and the vid. card takes 64. So, um.... to do or not to do?
[03:42] <anto9us> and I agree, they're not the friendliest of people in there
[03:42] <Computer__Guru> ce33na: I went from win98 to slack 1.2 in 95, then to redhat in 97, then to debian in 2000, then knoppix in early 2004, then to ubuntu (with the kubuntu-desktop) about a week ago
[03:42] <Frank_dot> Cooner750: well I would think a swap partition is always good, especially if you have plenty of disk space
[03:42] <Cooner750> I have 93GB that I can resize
[03:42] <Cooner750> How big and what format should the swap partition be?
[03:43] <Computer__Guru> Cooner750: how much ram do you have?
[03:43] <Cooner750> Will I be able to specify it during install?
[03:43] <Cooner750> I have 512MB but vid. card takes 64 so 448MB
[03:43] <Computer__Guru> okay
[03:43] <Jet2k5> well the resolution works perfect under windows
[03:43] <Computer__Guru> might as well make a swap partition
[03:43] <Cooner750> how big and what formar?
[03:43] <Computer__Guru> just leave an extra gig free for swap
[03:43] <Cooner750> format?
[03:43] <anto9us> Cooner750: about 1 and half times your memory and just select the swap mount point, the format should be automatic
[03:43] <Cooner750> k. In EXT3?
[03:43] <Computer__Guru> and you'll see when you get to the partition part of the install
[03:43] <Cooner750> k
[03:43] <Frank_dot> Cooner750: I would suggest 1 gig. The format will be swap .. you can set in install
[03:43] <Cooner750> resizing the main 4GB now
[03:44] <Computer__Guru> actually it's type 82 - Linux Swap
[03:44] <ce33na> very similar path to mine. I also started with Slack in 95. Been on Debian for over a year. When I, as an experiment, put ubuntu on my wife's laptop; my jaw hit the floor. Ubuntu is the cleanest distro that I have ever seen. I've been swaping machines to it for the last few weeks.
[03:44] <Cooner750> resizing now
[03:44] <Computer__Guru> you'll set your ext3 partition as type 83 - Linux, then mke2fs -j /dev/sda2
[03:44] <Computer__Guru> err probably gonna be /dev/sda3 since your swap will be /dev/sda2
[03:44] <Frank_dot> Cooner750: you can do all that in the installer as well
[03:44] <lsuactiafner> ce33na : i run a slackware/ubuntu hybrid system
[03:44] <Computer__Guru> and the comand to activate swap is: mkswap /dev/sda2
[03:45] <Cooner750> I see a bar going back and forth, back and forth. lol :P
[03:45] <Computer__Guru> Cooner750: yeah go watch a movie
[03:45] <Frank_dot> Cooner750: while resizing? yeah
[03:45] <Computer__Guru> partition resizing takes a while
[03:45] <Cooner750> How long does it take to resize 114,471MB to 109,434MB ?
[03:45] <lsuactiafner> various reasons for it but ubuntu doesnt have the power slackware has, but slackware aint as easy to use as ubuntu..
[03:45] <Frank_dot> Cooner750: not too long, I would think
[03:45] <lsuactiafner> ubuntu has differant goals but take the best from both worlds
[03:46] <Cooner750> It's only 5034MB and it's a USB 2.0 conn.
[03:46] <Cooner750> Oh no. Error
[03:46] <Computer__Guru> lsuactiafner: last time i checked you could untar and compile a source tarball just as well on ubuntu as you can on slack.. how is it not as powerful?
[03:46] <Frank_dot> Cooner750: how so?
[03:46] <moogman> Does anyone know if there will be any issues if I download and install the latest stable dbus from source?
[03:46] <Cooner750> Error while resizing/moving /dev/sda1 it says
[03:46] <ce33na> lsuactiafner: I really like slack, but I got tired of the stressful upgrades
[03:46] <lsuactiafner> Computer__Guru : slackware is more predictable/consistant
[03:46] <Computer__Guru> it is?
[03:47] <Cooner750> wait. Now I see 5034MB Unallocated in GParted!?
[03:47] <lsuactiafner> ce33na : i got scripts to compile sources for me
[03:47] <Cooner750> what happened there?
[03:47] <Frank_dot> Cooner750: is there alot of room on that partition?
[03:47] <Cooner750> Yes. plenty
[03:47] <Cooner750> oops. nevermind
[03:47] <lsuactiafner> apt-get build-dep is pretty nice
[03:47] <Computer__Guru> i thought the whole idea of package maintenance structures was to maintain a level of consistency that wasnt present in distributions like slack :D
[03:47] <Cooner750> brb
[03:47] <Computer__Guru> ima shut up now, one dist is as good as the next,t hey're all linux
[03:47] <Computer__Guru> except rpm systems, rpm sucks monkey balls
[03:48] <ce33na> haha
[03:48] <lsuactiafner> all slack packages are made on one standard system.. ubuntu system tend to differ slightly so packages aint always 100% compatible..
[03:48] <Frank_dot> Cooner750: I have had bad experiences with rpm as well but maybe it has improved since then
[03:48] <lsuactiafner> but ubuntu is really nice, hybrid is perfect..
[03:48] <Computer__Guru> systems tend to differ slightly???
[03:48] <Computer__Guru> yeah i bet it is pretty
[03:48] <IIIEars> RH has been PIA since 5.0
[03:49] <Frank_dot> How is slack more standard?
[03:49] <lsuactiafner> Computer__Guru : you wouldnt recognise my system as ubuntu or slackware.
[03:49] <Computer__Guru> pia?
[03:49] <IIIEars> pain in the A$$
[03:49] <Computer__Guru> lsuactiafner: i'm just spoiled by apt.. slack was a nightmare for me
[03:49] <lsuactiafner> slackware is more standard but its more for a server, like the gui doesnt start automatically ect
[03:49] <Cooner750> I cant figure out what the error was all about.
[03:49] <Cooner750> Everything seems fine stil
[03:49] <Cooner750> l
[03:49] <Computer__Guru> lsuactiafner: but i gotta say my experience with slack allowed me to build an lfs system for someone that made me ten grand :D
[03:49] <lsuactiafner> but i run ubuntu in console.. dont like gui
[03:50] <Cooner750> Is the Installer resizer graphical?
[03:50] <Cooner750> BRB
[03:50] <axis> :D
[03:50] <IIIEars> Computer_Guru - for a glimpse at what it was like try BSD from scratch
[03:50] <Frank_dot> Cooner750: no but its pretty simple
[03:50] <axis> so i've got everything dma mode, 32 bit . but now i can read blank discs to burn
[03:50] <lsuactiafner> yeh, slack is like unix standard.. ubuntu is user-friendly, differant goals, not sayin ubuntu aint standards compatible..
[03:50] <axis> not detecting media, i'm getting a DRIVE-SEEK-READY_ERROR
[03:50] <Computer__Guru> lsuactiafner: compile and install kdm and put S20kdm in /etc/rc5.d/ and watch how fast the gui automatically starts :D
[03:51] <lsuactiafner> Computer__Guru : i run blackbox.. starts in seconds..
[03:51] <Computer__Guru> nice
[03:51] <lsuactiafner> like 2 seconds..
[03:51] <lsuactiafner> lol
[03:51] <Computer__Guru> blackbox is purdy
[03:51] <Computer__Guru> and very simplistic
[03:51] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: purdy?
[03:51] <Razor-X> ewww ;)
[03:51] <lsuactiafner> i like it, mplayer -rootwin runs as a background
[03:51] <IIIEars> swappiness is a nice tweak also
[03:51] <lsuactiafner> IIIEars : what you put your swappiness as?
[03:52] <lsuactiafner> i played with it and made ff crash..
[03:52] <lsuactiafner> heh
[03:52] <IIIEars> 10
[03:52] <Computer__Guru> i was merely illustrating that slack can be setup as a workstation just as easily as it can be a server
[03:52] <Razor-X> E is way better ;)
[03:52] <lsuactiafner> hmmm
[03:52] <Computer__Guru> install x, your favorite window manager, and xdm
[03:52] <Computer__Guru> ta-da
[03:52] <Computer__Guru> oh yeah make sure youput xdm int he appropriate rc dir
[03:52] <axis> Anyone have an idea?  - My BENQ 52x cd burner is detecting, mounts written discs.. but when i put a blank in  nothing happens
[03:52] <lsuactiafner> Computer__Guru : yeh, slack aint for the average user, but for a geek ubuntu can be annoyin if it runs like 100 apps in init.d that i dont want to run on bootup
[03:52] <axis> i can't find anything on unofficial ubuntu or google
[03:53] <lsuactiafner> but for 95% of ppl it aint a problem but a benifit
[03:53] <Razor-X> axis: have you tried to burn on it?
[03:53] <Razor-X> lsuactiafner: slack is awesome
[03:53] <concept10> axis, what do you want it to do when you put a blank in>
[03:53] <Computer__Guru> lsuactiafner: am I the only person leftint he world who actually audits his rcX.d dirs with any regularity?
[03:53] <axis> Yes, I've even tried to force, but it says  " No media found"
[03:54] <axis> i've tried 3 discs of 3 different kinds of media
[03:54] <lsuactiafner> Computer__Guru : i redid init.d and did some minor changes in rc
[03:54] <axis> o
[03:54] <axis> using k3b
[03:54] <axis> cdrdao
[03:54] <Computer__Guru> youc ant mount a blank disc
[03:54] <Razor-X> yeah, you can't mount a blank disc
[03:54] <Razor-X> you have to burn to the device directly
[03:54] <axis> well, on this computer, when i put a blank it, it auto plays and asks me what i want to do with it
[03:54] <Computer__Guru> axis: un cdrdao witht he blank disc in it should detect the medium and write to it
[03:54] <axis> it won't on my other machine
[03:54] <lsuactiafner> Computer__Guru : like if it wasnt for slackware i wouldbe be able to help ppl with ubuntu.
[03:54] <Computer__Guru> tru
[03:54] <Razor-X> axis: doesen't do that to me
[03:54] <ralobao> how do i add a folder to the PATH ?
[03:55] <kbrooks> Computer__Guru, NO
[03:55] <kbrooks> Computer__Guru, NO
[03:55] <Computer__Guru> yeah ive never had a *nix system do that for me
[03:55] <Razor-X> I've burned discs with K3b just fine
[03:55] <axis> Razor-X: do you use a gui burn program?
[03:55] <kbrooks> Computer__Guru, cli == evil for grandma
[03:55] <Computer__Guru> lol
[03:55] <Razor-X> kbrooks: the channel isn't full of grandparents ;)
[03:55] <Computer__Guru> kbrooks: i was speaking in general terms
[03:55] <Razor-X> and, what's so hard about CLI?
[03:55] <Razor-X> scary?
[03:55] <mxreader> morning all
[03:55] <lsuactiafner> cli is easy
[03:55] <Computer__Guru> nothing if you remember DOS :)
[03:55] <Razor-X> OMG, BLACK SCREEN T3H SC4RY
[03:55] <kbrooks> Razor-X, uh, the average user
[03:56] <ce33na> Razor-X: it wont be long for some of us.
[03:56] <lsuactiafner> easier than click click omg where click click omg bash keyboard
[03:56] <axis> Razor-X, : this other computer is for my buddy. i have vmware on here with his winxp pro,
[03:56] <blmartin777> does anybody use mldonkey?
[03:56] <axis> mplayers great, xmms' great, vmware's great
[03:56] <Computer__Guru> the average user these days was trained into windowsxp and doesnt even know how to navigate a filesystem
[03:56] <axis> copying cds onto the hd is great
[03:56] <axis> i'm getting like a HD-io error
[03:56] <Razor-X> axis: have you tried burning without mounting?
[03:56] <axis> yes
[03:56] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: true that
[03:56] <ce33na> Computer__Guru: tell me about it
[03:56] <Crashtest> cli is way faster than gui, that's for sure
[03:56] <Razor-X> axis: hmmm.....
[03:56] <poningru> lso true
[03:57] <lsuactiafner> in windows i get annoyed that i can use the cli
[03:57] <Razor-X> try unmounting it, if you had it mounted before
[03:57] <Computer__Guru> i get around in cli just as well as i do on kde
[03:57] <mxreader> can anyone point me to understanding about security with a LAMP setup?  I needed to run dotproject in Ubuntu locally on a machine that connects to the internet
[03:57] <Computer__Guru> but by way of gui's if youre gonna do it do it right - kde is your friend
[03:57] <axis> i'm alot more comfortable with gui at first too.. i'm actually putting freebsd on here as a server, and will have ubuntu as my workstation .. maybe run ESX server
[03:57] <moogman> Hey, does anyone know if there will be any issues if I download and install the latest stable dbus from source?
[03:57] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: heh, true that
[03:57] <Razor-X> most everything I do is done in an Eterm
[03:57] <kbrooks> Computer__Guru, gnome > kde
[03:57] <Crashtest> I run a bunch of servers at work, and they run headless, and do not run X, so you just do everything at the command line
[03:57] <Razor-X> kbrooks: Gnome went downhill after v1
[03:57] <axis> i bet it's just the crappy benq.. although i can't find anyone else with this problem.. i'd really hate to have to re install
[03:58] <axis> hd io error
[03:58] <Frank_dot> moogman: If I knew what dbus is, maybe I could help...
[03:58] <Computer__Guru> kbrooks: someone lied to you. kde is a lot more feature rich than gnome... although, gnome is prettier
[03:58] <axis> read seek complete error
[03:58] <Razor-X> moogman: if it's on the repos, there should be almost no problem
[03:58] <Computer__Guru> gnome is a workspace, kde is a desktop
[03:58] <DonL> Razor-X, gnome started to get good at 2.8
[03:58] <poningru> Computer__Guru: but its slower
[03:58] <lsuactiafner> we just have to keep in mind ubuntu has differant goals for a differant audience, in the end slack+freebsd has its place and uses..
[03:58] <Razor-X> DonL: ewwww
[03:58] <Frank_dot> I like KDE much better essentially because I can't stand nautilus
[03:58] <moogman> Frank_dot: LoL thanks... "D-BUS is a message bus system, a simple way for applications to talk to one another." (from the website)
[03:58] <Razor-X> you musta been a FVWM95 user ;)
[03:58] <Computer__Guru> yeah im not too worried about speed as long as it works im happy
[03:59] <poningru> also xfce is better than them all
[03:59] <Razor-X> poningru: E trumps XFce
[03:59] <lsuactiafner> night ppl.
[03:59] <DonL> No, I used KDE for years
[03:59] <poningru> mmm to each his own
[03:59] <Computer__Guru> xfce is fugly, but very very fast
[03:59] <moogman> Razor-X: Um. The repos have version 0.21 (IIRC), but I need >=0.34
[03:59] <axis> anybody know how to control a cdrw with hdparm
[03:59] <Razor-X> Blackbox is thousands times uglier
[03:59] <Razor-X> moogman: try compiling hten
[03:59] <Razor-X> s/<\ht\>/th/
[03:59] <Computer__Guru> same way you control everything else with hdparm
[03:59] <frequency> axis: man hdparm
[04:00] <axis> yeah i just use hdparm -? or enter
[04:00] <moogman> Razor-X: Sure, but I just wanna make sure that it won't break anything critical if I do.
[04:00] <Computer__Guru> yup
[04:00] <Razor-X> moogman: doubt it will
[04:00] <axis> i've got everything enabled, it says it's good. just not ready blanks.. never heard of that eh
[04:00] <axis> sigh
[04:00] <Frank_dot> axis: I just turned on DMA for the cdroms and that's it
[04:00] <Computer__Guru> dude it doesnt mount blanks.. load up k3b, make sure your cd drive is UNmounted, and try to burn something in k3b
[04:00] <moogman> Razor-X: On what basis do you make that presumption (If you don't mind me asking)
[04:01] <axis> man, it's not mounted
[04:01] <axis> otherwise i wouldn't be able to eject the drive
[04:01] <axis> it's not locked
[04:01] <Razor-X> moogman: because compilation almost never breaks, especially if you don't make install
[04:01] <lsuactiafner> Need to get 13.1MB of archives. for xfce seems big?! liek blackbox is small
[04:01] <mxreader> i want to run dotproject (need Apache, MySQL, and PHP) on my office machine (used only locally) but which is normally also used for internet
[04:01] <axis> Frank_dot: you didn't enable 32bit i-o? .. enabling DMA sufficed?
[04:01] <Computer__Guru> what is the specific message you get when you try to burn?
[04:01] <Razor-X> lsuactiafner: and really really ugly
[04:01] <moogman> Razor-X: Well, clearly I was going to compile and then install it :p
[04:01] <Razor-X> moogman: you don't have to
[04:01] <lsuactiafner> 424K for blackbox
[04:01] <Razor-X> I rarely do
[04:01] <moogman> Or maybe not so clearly...
[04:01] <Frank_dot> axis: I could even burn without DMA, just more slowly
[04:02] <Razor-X> if you have to go to Blackbox level, use ratpoison
[04:02] <lsuactiafner> is xfce faster than bb?
[04:02] <Computer__Guru> *coughwindowmakercough*
[04:02] <Computer__Guru> or even fluxbox
[04:02] <Razor-X> not all sure there
[04:02] <moogman> Razor-X: I need it to develop against, so it needs to be installed somewhere.
[04:02] <Computer__Guru> i like kde, tyvm
[04:02] <lsuactiafner> lol
[04:03] <Razor-X> moogman: can't you point to the directory?
[04:03] <Frank_dot> what are all the *box anyway. simple window managers?
[04:03] <Computer__Guru> bb is a cool demo
[04:03] <lsuactiafner> kde has too many confusing menus
[04:03] <ce33na> I once prefered KDE, now I prefer Gnome.
[04:03] <Computer__Guru> Frank_dot: yeah... i actually recommend checking out fluxbox
[04:03] <lsuactiafner> i have like xterm in my menu lol
[04:03] <Razor-X> lsuactiafner: try ratpoison
[04:03] <DonL> kde's okay. I have some friends who prefer it
[04:03] <poningru> lsuactiafner: yeah xfce is faster
[04:03] <Razor-X> Eterm here ;)
[04:03] <moogman> Razor-X: No, because when I run the program I'll be creating, it'll try to connect to dbus and not find it :p
[04:03] <Computer__Guru> lsuactiafner: yeah it was designed for people with moderate IQ's :D
[04:03] <lsuactiafner> Razor-X : getting it while i sleep
[04:03] <lsuactiafner> Sat Jul 16 04:04:41 SAST 2005
[04:03] <lsuactiafner> lol
[04:03] <Razor-X> moogman: you _have_ to point it to "dbus" and not /path/to/dbus ?
[04:04] <lsuactiafner> i just get annoyed quickly
[04:04] <lsuactiafner> and i'm too lazy to use a mouse
[04:04] <Computer__Guru> yeah i hear ya
[04:04] <Computer__Guru> i personally prefer the robustness
[04:04] <Razor-X> then ratpoison would be awesome for you lsuactiafner
[04:04] <Razor-X> I don't have a mouse, hate 'em like the plague
[04:04] <Razor-X> my trackball's a bar-none pointing device ;)
[04:04] <Computer__Guru> i have an optical wheel mouse :D
[04:04] <lsuactiafner> i use the mouse with ff tho
[04:04] <A[D] minS> where i can find more mirorrs to add it in source.list
[04:04] <DonL> Razor-X, how do you click on things? lol
[04:05] <moogman> Razor-X: No sorry. What I was saying is that dbus has a daemon that needs to be running. I can't have two versions of dbus running simultaneously, so its either install-over, or not at all, kinda thing
[04:05] <moogman> (I think)
[04:05] <DonL> Oh. too late
[04:05] <Razor-X> DonL: with the buttons?
[04:05] <lsuactiafner> optical wheel?
[04:05] <Razor-X> moogman: then, try ;)
[04:05] <ce33na> A[D] minS: ubuntuguide.com
[04:05] <Computer__Guru> its an optical mouse with a wheel
[04:05] <Razor-X> no harm in trying
[04:05] <Computer__Guru> dont be a smartass
[04:05] <ce33na> or org
[04:05] <Razor-X> !guide
[04:05] <ce33na> or whatever
[04:05] <ubotu> I don't know, Razor-X
[04:05] <lsuactiafner> Computer__Guru : better with games?
[04:05] <Razor-X> !ubuntuguide
[04:05] <axis> DriveReady-SeekComplete-Error is what's spit out in CLI,  in GUI it says, "no medium found"
[04:05] <ubotu> somebody said ubuntuguide was a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[04:05] <lsuactiafner> never heard of it
[04:05] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: hmmmm?
[04:05] <lsuactiafner> but thought of the concept before..
[04:05] <Computer__Guru> lsuactiafner: *shrug* dont play games
[04:05] <Mark23> How do I get OpenGL for WineHQ's Wine in the repositories its only available for the ubuntu version?
[04:05] <concept10> I dont understand what CTRL-ALT-BKSP actually does, I know it logs you out but does it kill all the apps in that section?
[04:05] <Razor-X> that's essentially what a mouse is, no?
[04:06] <Razor-X> an optical mouse with a wheel?
[04:06] <moogman> Razor-X: There may be, as things like HAL and udev may depend on it...
[04:06] <lsuactiafner> thing is in games the optical doesnt move short enogh distances to snipe
[04:06] <Crashtest> jeez, let on on the guide, willya?  hndred times a night you say that
[04:06] <Computer__Guru> concept10: it explicitly kills the x server.. if you're running a display manager it will start right back up
[04:06] <axis> DriveReady-SeekComplete-Error
[04:06] <Razor-X> a trackball is a pointing device that stays fixed in one place... you move the ball to move the mouse
[04:06] <lsuactiafner> so a wheel would be nice under it to make movement easier
[04:06] <Razor-X> lsuactiafner: exactly, no more reaching up high to score the kill ;)
[04:06] <concept10> Computer__Guru, does it kill apps running in that session?
[04:07] <lsuactiafner> also it can be used to make smaller movements more accurate..
[04:07] <Razor-X> that's true
[04:07] <Computer__Guru> concept10: youre better off CTRL-ALT-F1 then killall -9 X && killall -9 your_display_manager
[04:07] <ce33na> ubotu: I'll check it out.
[04:07] <Computer__Guru> concept10: yes
[04:07] <ubotu> Wish i knew, ce33na
[04:07] <lsuactiafner> cool didnt know they had those mouses..
[04:07] <axis> man this is such a pain
[04:07] <lsuactiafner> going to get one
[04:07] <axis> everything works so well
[04:07] <Razor-X> but, in an FPS (not CS, people with 5 hours to play one match) very precise movements matter not so much
[04:07] <axis> except it won't burn on a drive it's detecting
[04:07] <lsuactiafner> get annoyed with ut2004 becuase i like snipin
[04:07] <lsuactiafner> and campin
[04:07] <axis> vm ware works wonderfully
[04:07] <concept10> Computer__Guru, I dont care about X, sometimes apps get stuck, and that gets rid of them
[04:07] <axis> sound.. mplayer.. everything
[04:07] <Razor-X> it's not _that_ imprecise
[04:07] <Razor-X> it can't make minute pixel movements, true
[04:08] <concept10> imprecise?
[04:08] <tanki> axis, it better work wonderfully, 200 bucks
[04:08] <Computer__Guru> concept10: ctrl-alt-f1, login, and killall -9 stuck_app then hit ALT-F7 to get back to X
[04:08] <Frank_dot> But optical doesn't get full of gunk
[04:08] <Razor-X> I do have a mouse hanging back there just in case
[04:08] <Razor-X> Frank_dot: and neither does an optical trackball? ;)
[04:08] <lsuactiafner> with my wheel/ball mouse i had 4/5 headshots..
[04:08] <axis> tanki: it's the best thing i've ever seen hahaha
[04:08] <Razor-X> well, it does, but much much less frequently
[04:09] <frequency> does Ubuntu have a config tool for Grub or do i have to work that manually?
[04:09] <axis> it works great on this computer, but my buddies computer..  I can't get the benQ to burn! ..
[04:09] <tanki> axis, i know a free alternative but if you've already bought it then i wont bore you with it
[04:09] <Computer__Guru> had this mouse for three years never had to clean it once
[04:09] <DonL> Probably easier on the wrist too
[04:09] <Razor-X> frequency: just read the docs, not too hard
[04:09] <concept10> Computer__Guru, for example, I quit Limewire a long time ago but somehow Gnutella was running in the background, I dont know what process it was running under
[04:09] <tanki> s/bore/burden
[04:09] <lsuactiafner> night ppl.
[04:09] <tanki> nite lsu
[04:09] <Razor-X> tanki: you missed a "/" at the very end
[04:09] <concept10> Computer__Guru, what kind of mouse?
[04:09] <Razor-X> if you're using sed notation, I mean
[04:09] <Computer__Guru> concept10: you can always: ps au | grep -i gnutella
[04:10] <axis> tanki: i'm pretty comfortable with vmware already.. i saw a few freeware alternatives.. but really, i can't focus on anything except  getting this BENQ burning with Ubuntu for my buddy
[04:10] <Computer__Guru> then kill that process
[04:10] <concept10> Computer__Guru, it wasnt there
[04:10] <jimmychi> hey all
[04:10] <Computer__Guru> concept10: little cheap miniature optical wheel mouse
[04:10] <Razor-X> am I the only one that uses ps -e to grep? ;)
[04:10] <DonL> concept10, I find you have to click on disconnect or else some part of it keeps running
[04:10] <jimmychi> I'm SSHing into a Linux box using putty with X11 forwarding enabled from a WinXP box running an X-server using cygwin, and can bring up X displays when DISPLAY is 'localhost:10.0', but not '<linux ip>:10.0' or <win ip>:10.0'....anyone please know why?
[04:10] <ce33na> ubotu: well....that explains why merillat doesn't work any more
[04:10] <ubotu> ce33na: I haven't a clue
[04:10] <concept10> I use ps aux | grep
[04:10] <Computer__Guru> concept,t hen ctrl-alt-backspace kills the entire x server and anything spawned from it
[04:10] <axis> aux all the way
[04:10] <Razor-X> ce33na: ubotu's a bot
[04:10] <lsuactiafner> aux dude (;
[04:10] <Razor-X> aux is real useful
[04:10] <tanki> Razor-X, hmm?
[04:10] <ce33na> I just figured that one out
[04:10] <Computer__Guru> ce33na: you are aware ubotu is a bot, right?
[04:10] <Razor-X> but I won't use it, very rarely at best
[04:11] <Razor-X> it's friggin BSD notation, for gosh's sake
[04:11] <ce33na> :)
[04:11] <anto9us> I replaced all the mice in work with optical and threw all the mats away which was a mistake as a few have brought their own brightly coloured mats in and have rung me when there pointer jumps around the screen. I explain to them that it's because they have a brightly coloured mouse mat and they think I'm winding them up
[04:11] <axis> grep grep grep
[04:11] <Razor-X> Linux impurists!
[04:11] <devnull> why in the hell would ubuntu's php package be set with --without-mysql ????
[04:11] <axis> what's wrong with BSD
[04:11] <Computer__Guru> i use au cause it shows the full command line, aux tends to chop a lot off the end
[04:11] <frequency> Razor-X: i understand i could do that, but i was just wondering if there was a GUI tool for it so i could just make a quick hack to it..
[04:11] <jimmychi> auxww
[04:11] <Razor-X> frequency: I can probably help there ;)
[04:11] <axis> FreeBSD is the goods, other then getting rid of gui off the install [=
[04:11] <Razor-X> BSD, I never liked it from the onset
[04:12] <lsuactiafner> Computer__Guru : grep 0 or something that occurs often
[04:12] <axis> ha
[04:12] <lsuactiafner> then it doesnt cut it
[04:12] <concept10> anto9us, I understand that.  I just learned that optical mice jump on repeated patterns. Like the faux woodgrain on my desk
[04:12] <Razor-X> I tried it and I was like "son of a b***h"
[04:12] <jimmychi> Computer__Guru: auxww wont cut off anything
[04:12] <Razor-X> I mean, why use something so neanderthalic like tcsh, first of all?
[04:12] <axis> try installng solaris
[04:12] <axis> minimal install
[04:12] <tanki> concept10, have you seen my mouse?
[04:12] <Computer__Guru> jimmychi: ill remember that, tyvm
[04:12] <axis> and upgrading
[04:12] <axis> hahahaha..
[04:12] <axis> that boggles my mind
[04:12] <jimmychi> Computer__Guru: just learned it yesterday :)
[04:12] <lsuactiafner> heh cool jimmychi
[04:13] <Computer__Guru> thats what i like about linux..t en years of experience with it and i learn something new about it every single day
[04:13] <Razor-X> and the filesystem layout is just about as intuitive as you can find ;)
[04:13] <MathManJeffy> hi all
[04:13] <gabaug> how stable is Breezy?
[04:13] <axis> just like not being able to burn with a drive that perfectly detects fine, and the software is all there
[04:13] <anto9us> concept10: one of the women in work still doesn't believe me, she thinks it was a setup, that I programmed her computer to make the mouse jump
[04:13] <lsuactiafner> man man is interesting lol
[04:13] <concept10> I just bought another mouse and it jitters sometimes, at first I though it was a mouse driver problem, but its my desk, I dont use mousepad
[04:13] <lsuactiafner> did that today
[04:13] <frequency> Razor-X: i'd tried to install another distro on another partition and it messed everything up..  it didn't even search for other OSes like Ubuntu did when I installed it..
[04:13] <Razor-X> the only thing I like about BSD is it's solidity
[04:13] <tanki> concept10, I meant, would you like to see my mouse?
[04:13] <concept10> anto9us, tell her to have a drink and shutup
[04:13] <Razor-X> frequency: 'cat menu.list' and paste it in pastebin
[04:13] <frequency> now i just need to get the Grub config back to how it was..
[04:13] <frequency> roger that
[04:13] <anto9us> I don't blame her though, it's the sort of thing I'd be proud of
[04:13] <axis> Razor-X: come on, the daemon is cool.. charlie? yuh
[04:13] <concept10> tanki, what mouse?
[04:14] <axis> .. freebsd is a rock
[04:14] <axis> i'd use openBSD as my gateway/router
[04:14] <tanki> concept10, my mouse
[04:14] <axis> freebsd, server
[04:14] <axis> ubuntu/winxp workstations
[04:14] <gabaug> Anybody using Breezy? Is it at least decently usable?
[04:14] <Razor-X> web14.compaq.com/falco/detail.asp?FAQnum=FAQ2859
[04:14] <axis> esx server will be the goods, rack mount virtual comps
[04:14] <axis> :D
[04:14] <concept10> anto9us, Tell her you programmed her mouse to click into her bank account when she is not there
[04:14] <Razor-X> gabaug: a _lot_ of things are broken
[04:14] <Computer__Guru> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/610
[04:15] <gabaug> Razor-X: thanks..that's what I wanted to know
[04:15] <Computer__Guru> whats wrong with hoary that youre insuch a hurry to get breezy?
[04:15] <anto9us> concept10: nah, that would be dangerous, she gets any problems with her bank account I guarantee she'd have the police knocking on my door
[04:15] <lsuactiafner> glibc
[04:15] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: some people like bleeding edge because it sounds cool, i'm guessing ;)
[04:15] <concept10> anto9us, j/k :)
[04:15] <axis> man
[04:15] <Computer__Guru> screw that
[04:15] <Computer__Guru> i like a stable system
[04:15] <axis> i'm going to scream
[04:15] <gabaug> Computer__Guru: I'm trying to hack on gnome-panel, and I need libgnome-menu-dev 2.11.1
[04:15] <axis> burn baby burn
[04:15] <axis> damnit
[04:16] <Razor-X> gabaug: you can't compile it in?
[04:16] <Computer__Guru> gabaug: so use backports :D
[04:16] <Computer__Guru> or compile it in
[04:16] <ce33na> backports is working for me
[04:16] <Razor-X> pshhh, you people'd rather move to Breeze than compile?
[04:16] <Razor-X> cowards, that's what you people are, cowards *shakes head*
[04:16] <gabaug> yes :)
[04:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> http://www.screensavers-connection.com/images/kittens.gif <-- bwah hah hah
[04:16] <Razor-X> i'm 15!!! look at me!
[04:16] <Computer__Guru> or apt-get source libgnome-menu-dev then untar it to the right place and you got the dev packjages :)
[04:17] <gabaug> I moved to Hoary months before it was released and had a good exprience with it...pretty stable, really
[04:17] <ce33na> Razor-X: been there, done that
[04:17] <Frank_dot> lol
[04:17] <misfit_toy> Hoary for desktops, FC4 for servers
[04:17] <concept10> anto9us, you work on *nix boxes at work or windows?
[04:17] <anto9us> concept10: both
[04:17] <Razor-X> I want some Raam juice
[04:17] <Razor-X> mmm, that'ld hit the spot
[04:17] <misfit_toy> wassup concept10 ?
[04:17] <frequency> Razor-X: http://rafb.net/paste/results/aXLTYu50.html I had to re-install Ubuntu (on yet another partition) to get the original kernel to show back up in the list
[04:17] <misfit_toy> concept10, I replied to your email, did you get it???
[04:17] <anto9us> concept10: I'm trying to irradicate our dependence on M$
[04:17] <IIIEars> BSD on DVD iso for home based servers - hacked? just reboot
[04:18] <mindamp> how do i format my newly created fat32 partition?
[04:18] <Razor-X> mindamp: mkfs.vfat /dev/hdX
[04:18] <concept10> misfit_toy, nothing much, yes... my server went down though :(  idea on hold for now
[04:18] <Razor-X> oh yeah, prepend a 'sudo' on taht
[04:18] <Razor-X> s/\<ah>\/ha/
[04:18] <IIIEars> lol
[04:18] <concept10> misfit_toy, sorry for the non response.
[04:18] <absinthe> Could someone explain some common differences between Linux and BSD other than the development team?
[04:19] <tanki> concept10: my mouse, i call him breezy http://jeffsweb.net/irc/tanki.mouse2.jpg
[04:19] <Computer__Guru> BROKEN_LADDER: the humor in a bunch of kitten pictures seems to escape me
[04:19] <misfit_toy> concept10, it's ok, just wondered if you fell in a volcano
[04:19] <ce33na> sudo has proven very hard for me to get accustomed to. I've used a real root account for so long.
[04:19] <IIIEars> better file/process controls?
[04:19] <Razor-X> how many people actually use regular expressions when they go "s/x/y/" ?
[04:19] <Computer__Guru> absinthe: licensing? architecture?
[04:19] <concept10> misfit_toy, what did you think about that idea?
[04:19] <hondje> One is *dying
[04:20] <absinthe> Computer__Guru, What are some advantages to using FreeBSD over Ubuntu?
[04:20] <misfit_toy> concept10, I'd like to see your response to my email! the idea is good but I had detailed questions....
[04:20] <anto9us> Razor-X: I've found them useful, but I always use rtfm with them
[04:20] <IIIEars> most of the servers that run a year or more at a time without rebooting are BSD. (shrug)
[04:20] <concept10> misfit_toy, okay.
[04:20] <Razor-X> frequency: what's the path to your OS you want to add?
[04:20] <Computer__Guru> absinthe: depends on the applications of your system.. FreeBSD handles higher levels of file descriptors a little better than linux, traditionally
[04:21] <frequency> it's /boot/vmlinuz on /dev/hda2..
[04:21] <absinthe> Computer__Guru, Well, I mean for a desktop scenario
[04:21] <hondje> they're the same
[04:21] <Computer__Guru> absinthe: stability, stability, stability
[04:21] <hondje> KDE is KDE, Gnome is Gnome
[04:21] <Razor-X> frequency: your drive is /boot/vmlinux?
[04:21] <concept10> BSD is very good for servers, not desktop, linux has more drivers and rapid development for the desktio
[04:21] <Razor-X> s/<\x\>/z/
[04:21] <frequency> no, the drive is /dev/hda, partition /dev/hda2
[04:21] <frequency> the kernel is /boot/vmlinuz
[04:22] <concept10> That doesnt mean you cant run BSD on the desktop
[04:22] <absinthe> Computer__Guru, So no real gain unless you're using a server?
[04:22] <Computer__Guru> concept10: if you take the time to set bsd up, it is just fine for a desktop - especially in a workstation environment
[04:22] <Computer__Guru> absinthe: right.
[04:22] <Computer__Guru> well
[04:22] <Razor-X> no, what do you want to do, frequency ?
[04:22] <Computer__Guru> freebsd tends to be a little more secure
[04:22] <absinthe> Computer__Guru, Thanks for answering my questions =)
[04:22] <Computer__Guru> but when a bug IS found, it's usually a real bitch
[04:22] <concept10> Computer__Guru, I understand that but for desktop environments I dont want to spend alot of time with config.
[04:22] <frequency> i want Grub to boot that kernel, and it won't do it..
[04:22] <jimmychi> linux has a reputation for greater variety of hardware support
[04:23] <Computer__Guru> absinthe: all these things were my personal opinion and experience.. ymmv
[04:23] <frequency> it just freezes when i make the selection
[04:23] <absinthe> Computer__Guru, Of course.
[04:23] <gabaug> Computer__Guru, Razor-X : turns out I was getting my libgnome-menu-dev pkg from packports (I just put it in for mono..forgot that it might have other dev libs..) .. and it's still not recent enough :(
[04:23] <tanki> been a while since someone used ymmv
[04:24] <DonL> Computer__Guru, every time I've gone through the install instructions for BSD, it's kind of put me off
[04:24] <gabaug> Razor-X: and I'm not a coward, I just don't relish the idea of compiling all the dozens of required dev libs just to get hacking is all
[04:24] <Computer__Guru> gabaug: well, herein lies the problem. if you installt he sources to a new4er menu than what the rest of your system runs, when you recompile it to get your changes, will it even work?
[04:24] <frequency> Razor-X: i altered all the paths to do the right things (they're back to what they were before i changed them, though.. long story)
[04:24] <concept10> tanki, you have rats in your computer case?
[04:24] <NoHope> hi all
[04:24] <Computer__Guru> DonL: make world can be very intimidating
[04:24] <axis> HD_IO_GETGEO ERROR
[04:24] <DonL> That's what I thought
[04:24] <NoHope> Do you know how to make gnome-terminal output ls with colors? Only root can do that...
[04:24] <absinthe> Any Soulseek compatible clients for Linux?
[04:24] <Razor-X> frequency: why use console flag?
[04:24] <tanki> it was a mouse and he got lost
[04:25] <Computer__Guru> axis: do you have 32bit io turned on?
[04:25] <Razor-X> absinthe: that's not a P2P you hear about often... try WINE on it
[04:25] <gabaug> Computer__Guru: I'd just be compiling the dev pkg .. so it would be fine (as long as I uninstalled the pkg'd version)
[04:25] <axis> Computer__Guru, : i've tried both ways
[04:25] <Computer__Guru> wtf is soulseek?
[04:25] <tanki> my fault for leaving computer parts all over the place
[04:25] <axis> Computer__Guru, that's what i had to do for this computer
[04:25] <gabaug> absinthe: Nicotine
[04:25] <frequency> Razor-X: i didn't add anything to it.. all i've done was alter the paths for the partition and kernel
[04:25] <frequency> Razor-X: and the root partition
[04:25] <tanki> guru, sounds like a dating service
[04:25] <NoHope> hey, Do you know how to make gnome-terminal output ls with colors? Only root can do that...
[04:25] <absinthe> gabaug, Thanks
[04:25] <kevin_> Hello eveyone! I am an exremely new Linux newby and I actually got my wireless working thanx to the awsome Documentation put out by the people of Ubuntu, thanx to all whom made it work
[04:26] <MathManJeffy> anyone else having connectivity issues with security.ubuntu.com?
[04:26] <frequency> er.. the root parameter rather
[04:26] <Computer__Guru> gabaug: the dev package, when compiled, becomes the binary package.. ie, when you  go into gnome-menu-source dir (or whatever its called) and hack about with it then do a make and a make install, you've just replaced your production gnome-menu
[04:26] <jimmychi> kevin_: you using ndiswrapper?
[04:26] <tanki> kevin_, neat i think the ubuntu developers would be glad to hear that
[04:26] <kevin_> nope, madwifi
[04:26] <Computer__Guru> or are you working on something else that just requires those sources?
[04:26] <axis> When I turn on, oor leave off 32 bit io, or dma, it says "HD_IO_GET_GEO_ERROR"
[04:27] <tanki> kevin_, keep your chin up and ubuntu will open doors you never knew existed.. until of course, you get a girlfriend then all bets are off
[04:27] <frequency> tanki: amen, brother
[04:27] <kevin_> lol, married here
[04:27] <Computer__Guru> axis: it's not fetching the geometry of the disc.. have you tried another brand of blanks or maybe even another blank?
[04:27] <MathManJeffy> tanki, easy enough, don't tell her about it and you're fine
[04:27] <axis> computer: 3 different brands, a couple cds of each brand .. gah
[04:27] <frequency> kevin_: lol in that case, there's no hope..
[04:27] <ce33na> NoHope: do you have color ls output from one of the consoles?
[04:28] <gabaug> Computer__Guru: I'm trying to hack on gnome-panel which requires libgnome-menu-dev
[04:28] <Cooner750> ok, is the installer partitioner graphical?
[04:28] <Computer__Guru> i dunno what to tell you then.. google the error
[04:28] <Frank_dot> Cooner750: no but its pretty easy
[04:28] <Computer__Guru> gabaug: ah,t hats where i misunderstood
[04:28] <kevin_> lol, I am a pc tech and she knows when I am on a pc don't bother I won't here anything
[04:28] <Cooner750> How does it work?
[04:28] <Cooner750> Entering #s?
[04:28] <axis> hoy i'm going to have to try installing anothe rburner.. sigh.. ok thx.. bbl
[04:28] <frequency> lol
[04:28] <Cooner750> How long would it take to install Ubuntu?
[04:28] <Computer__Guru> hear, not here
[04:28] <Cooner750> to a USB 2.0 drive
[04:28] <frequency> took me about 10 minutes earlier
[04:29] <Computer__Guru> apparently the IT field doesn't require basic reading and writing skills :D
[04:29] <Cooner750> frequency: Are you responding to my Q?
[04:29] <kevin_> Took me close to 2 hours but I am on a p1 233 laptop lol
[04:29] <DonL> Cooner750, about 20 minutes for me
[04:29] <frequency> oh, to a USB drive, i'm not sure..
[04:29] <frequency> Cooner750: yes
[04:29] <Cooner750> Ok. Can Ubuntu burn ISO images?
[04:29] <Computer__Guru> you installed ubuntu on a 233?
[04:29] <frequency> any Linux distro can
[04:29] <Cooner750> I dont feel like booting into windows
[04:29] <Computer__Guru> hows it run?
[04:29] <Computer__Guru> Cooner750: yup
[04:29] <tanki> kevin_, http://systm.org/ has a great article and video on building an open source wardriving box if you're interested
[04:29] <Cooner750> What program should I install/use for burning the ISO image
[04:29] <sushubh> can i run ubuntu as a server
[04:30] <Cooner750> I'm a little new to Linux, kind of
[04:30] <tanki> I mean if you're really into wifi stuff
[04:30] <Computer__Guru> Cooner750: k3b
[04:30] <frequency> Cooner750: I use XCDRoast and... er.. i can't remember the other.. hold on
[04:30] <kevin_> tanki: I may in a while right now playing with the good old wireless
[04:30] <Cooner750> Computer_Guru: Does that come with Ubuntu LiveCD or should I sudo apt-get it?
[04:30] <ce33na> sushubh: yes...just install the server program you desire and set the appropriate options in its config file
[04:30] <Cooner750> I have another CD burner open
[04:30] <Computer__Guru> apt-get
[04:30] <frequency> Cooner750: GnomeBaker, that's it..
[04:30] <gabaug> Cooner750: GNOME has builtin support for burning ISOs ... just right click on it in nautilus or from the desktop and choose "write to cd" or similar
[04:31] <jimmychi> kevin_: i run similar specs on my test laptop...an old thinkpad...had a helluva time with wireless cards
[04:31] <DonL> I have an old P1 here, and it seems to me the only thing I could get working was DSL
[04:31] <sushubh> ce33na: on a celeron 500 with 128 mb ram? :P
[04:31] <frequency> gabaug: that works for ISOs, too?
[04:31] <Cooner750> i'm starting Firefox to download the installer CD iso
[04:31] <ce33na> sushubh: go for it.
[04:31] <tanki> jimmychi, does it have a touchpad or that red dot in the middle of the keyboard
[04:31] <gabaug> frequency: yes, IIRC
[04:31] <sushubh> cool thanks. does it support serial mouse?
[04:31] <sushubh> fedora does not work with serial mouse :D
[04:31] <jimmychi> tanki: red dot only, i've gotten used to it
[04:31] <kevin_> I actually got the dlink dwl-g650 to setup pretty sweet
[04:31] <kevin_> with the madwifi
[04:32] <tanki> i knew a guy who played quake with that dot
[04:32] <ce33na> sushubh: I haven't used a serial mouse in a long time. I don't know
[04:32] <sushubh> np. thanks mate :)
[04:32] <tanki> of course he wasn't very good
[04:32] <ce33na> sushubh: I suspect that it will
[04:32] <Frank_dot> tanki: I knew a guy who was in a quake clan who played keyboard only
[04:32] <jimmychi> i tried a netgear, a belkin, and an SMC card...all ZERO luck
[04:32] <tanki> kevin_, i've gotten a lot of help with wireless in #wireless by the way if you can't find your answer here
[04:32] <Computer__Guru> damnit
[04:32] <Computer__Guru> the bowl is clogged
[04:32] <Computer__Guru> and i have no poker
[04:32] <DonL> Frank_dot, my son prefers Quake on keyboard
[04:32] <Computer__Guru> brb
[04:33] <tanki> Frank_dot, that's intense
[04:33] <kevin_> it is working great, I am using it now but thanx
[04:33] <gabaug> Computer__Guru: (just to pass it on) it's dammit
[04:33] <frequency> gabaug: no it's not..
[04:33] <Frank_dot> tanki: well that was in the Quake 1 days
[04:33] <frequency> he spelled it correctly
[04:33] <Computer__Guru> you sure?
[04:33] <Computer__Guru> its damnit, im almost certain
[04:33] <tanki> Frank_dot, if the xbox allowed you to play fps games with a keyboard and mouse i would totally pwnt at halo
[04:33] <Cooner750> how do I mount my /dev/sda1 back again?
[04:33] <frequency> it is
[04:33] <gabaug> frequency: http://www.google.com/search?&q=damnit
[04:33] <jimmychi> i'd say damn it, or dammit, but not damnit
[04:33] <dylan_> how do i enable 3d acceleration for an integrated VIA video thingy
[04:33] <MathManJeffy> who googles damnit?
[04:34] <gabaug> MathManJeffy: somebody looking for a fast response :)
[04:34] <Cooner750> I need to mount my external /dev/sda1 back to download the is
[04:34] <Cooner750> o
[04:34] <MathManJeffy> lol
[04:34] <jimmychi> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=damnit&word2=dammit
[04:34] <MathManJeffy> i'm still having connectivity issues with security.ubuntu.com, anyone else or is my router going screwy again
[04:34] <fish> hello all
[04:35] <MathManJeffy> hi fish
[04:35] <jimmychi> hey fish
[04:35] <Cooner750> anybody?
[04:35] <Cooner750> mount external FAT32 HD?
[04:35] <frequency> edit /etc/fstab
[04:35] <MathManJeffy> just mount /dev/sda1 somewhere
[04:35] <Cooner750> so... mount /dev/sda1 where?
[04:36] <Computer__Guru> okay
[04:36] <gabaug> Cooner750: anywhere you want
[04:36] <JavaOnLinux> hello, does anyone know that if there is a software that can replace adobe premiere in linux?
[04:36] <Computer__Guru> actually, neither dammit or damnit are a word. the proper phrase is damn it
[04:36] <gabaug> Cooner750: make a directory and do: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /path/to/your/dir/
[04:36] <Computer__Guru> so says merriam websters
[04:36] <Computer__Guru> damnit
[04:36] <Computer__Guru> ;)
[04:36] <frequency> Cooner750: add this line: "/dev/sda1       /mnt/whatever         vfat defaults           0       1"
[04:36] <ce33na> mount -t msdos /dev/sda1 /<directory you created>
[04:37] <MathManJeffy> it's a conjugate and perfectly acceptable slang computer :-P
[04:37] <dylan_> how do i enable 3d acceleration for VIA S3 chipset?
[04:37] <kevin_> dylan: no idea here
[04:37] <Cooner750> Can I disconnect and reconnect the drive and will that remount it?
[04:37] <Computer__Guru> it's not a conjugate, it's two complete words... but ill concede it perfectly acceptable slang.. and as such, either dammit or damnit are equally acceptable
[04:37] <fish> umount
[04:37] <fish> mount
[04:38] <merriam> Computer__Guru: http://onelook.com/?w=dammit&ls=a
[04:38] <fish> grammar is no fun
[04:38] <dylan_> ok
[04:38] <ce33na> Cooner750: is this a usb external hard drive?
[04:38] <Cooner750> ce33na: yep
[04:38] <Computer__Guru> the dumb shit we argue over
[04:38] <Madpilot> odd. X just locked up on me; when I used ctrl-alt-bksp it wouldn't restart...
[04:38] <fish> haha
[04:38] <Computer__Guru> merriam: if it's not in websters it isnt a word.
[04:38] <frequency> Computer__Guru: except damm isn't a word
[04:38] <Computer__Guru> frequency: exactly. damn is
[04:39] <ce33na> put it in fstab as someone showed before. Make sure you unmount properly before you disconnect it
[04:39] <MathManJeffy> ok well the point is that i'm still all pissy over security.ubuntu.com :P i think it's going to make me install apache by myself ><
[04:39] <jimmychi> so i 'xhost +'  on the machine running the x server (Win), and on the machine i'm connecting to (linux) i set the DISPLAY to <win IP>:10.0...am i missing something?  still cant get X apps to come up on the Win display...
[04:39] <MathManJeffy> damnit!
[04:39] <frequency> Computer__Guru: right, so how are they equally acceptable?
[04:39] <Computer__Guru> frequency: slang is weird like that... show me what two words make up ain't
[04:40] <frequency> Computer__Guru: er.. ai and not? ;-)
[04:40] <Computer__Guru> exactly
[04:40] <tfort> i'm running openbox on my ubuntu system, and iw as wondering, where's the config or rc file for starting apps when I enter a session from GDM?
[04:40] <MathManJeffy> and btw, it IS a conjugate :P
[04:40] <hondje> ain't is ought and not
[04:40] <MathManJeffy> actually its "am" and "not"
[04:40] <Computer__Guru> so while the gramatically proper way of saying it would be "damn it" the widely accepted slang is "dammit"
[04:41] <tfort> hondje, i still love the southern ya'll'll
[04:41] <tfort> as in... you all will
[04:41] <MathManJeffy> but can be are not as well
[04:41] <hondje> there goes my troll, thanks MathManJeffy
[04:41] <hondje> :(
[04:41] <JavaOnLinux> hello, does anybody know that if there is a software that can do MPEG video editing like Adobe premiere but free?
[04:41] <MathManJeffy> so aint = i am not or am i not?
[04:41] <hondje> tfort: lol
[04:41] <Frank_dot> tfort: so that's what it means
[04:41] <ce33na> tfort: I resemble that remark
[04:41] <frequency> i think people just started spelling it "dammit" because they can't spell..
[04:41] <frequency> i seriously see a lot of people spell "damn" as "damm"
[04:41] <Computer__Guru> JavaOnLinux: there is indeed, but the name escapes me.. go to http://www.google.com/linux and search for mpeg editors
[04:41] <tfort> regardless, anyone know the answer to my question?
[04:42] <tfort> frequency, im just lazy and spell it ..d
[04:42] <MathManJeffy> well depends frequency
[04:42] <JavaOnLinux> Computer__Guru, thanks
[04:42] <Computer__Guru> frequency: ive seen grown men spell "of" "ove"
[04:42] <bigfoot1> deb files are really meant for a debian system, right? So how can i tell whether a particular deb will work on ubuntu?
[04:42] <frequency> MathManJeffy: on whta?
[04:42] <Computer__Guru> or "said" sead
[04:42] <Computer__Guru> etc
[04:42] <frequency> s/whta/what/
[04:42] <MathManJeffy> dam mit could be short for "dam mitten" a 'lazy' form of "dam the mitten" as in "plug up the glove"
[04:42] <frequency> Computer__Guru: i know a professional programmer that consistently confuses "know" and "no"
[04:42] <kevin_> later folks, time for me to go and see what kind of trouble I can stir up elsewhere
[04:43] <Computer__Guru> the world is growing more stupid by the day, and we just keep on giving them diplomas
[04:43] <Frank_dot> bigfoot1: If it doesn't come from a ubuntu repository, you can't be absolutely sure
[04:43] <synd> does linux have good hfs+ read/write support?
[04:43] <RedDevil> hi alll... need some help... stupid question perhaps... I've been reading the wiki on compiling the kernel for  ubuntu... I tried that but end up with an error... then I tried the "make all"... error again... the kernel is 2.6.11-34.3... is there some problem with that kernel, or am I missing something? (I bet in this last one, but don't know what is missing...)
[04:43] <ce33na> Computer__Guru: mechanical engineers seem to be getting dumber as each year passes
[04:43] <MathManJeffy> ok so really :P anyone want to explain why i'm getting a 111 connection refused when i try to apt update from security.ubuntu.com?
[04:43] <Computer__Guru> IF you manage to graduate high school in Kentucky, you will have an educatione qual to that of an eighth grader in ohio
[04:44] <frequency> Computer__Guru: the biggest problem is that nobody cares about standards anymore..
[04:44] <bigfoot1> Frank_dot, yes this particular deb file (http://hem.no-ip.info/debian/libiaxclient-dev_0.0+cvs20050503-1_i386.deb) is from the net. what do you guys recommend? will it hurt to try to install it?
[04:44] <synd> Computer__Guru, i beg your pardon
[04:44] <Computer__Guru> synd: it's an abslute fact.
[04:44] <Computer__Guru> +o
[04:44] <Frank_dot> It's a -dev  package, it shouldn't hurt but its only usefule to compile stuff
[04:45] <synd> Computer__Guru, but what's your point?
[04:45] <frequency> bigfoot1: i install debian packages all the time..
[04:45] <Computer__Guru> i know an english lit grad from univ of kentucky whoc an barely form complete sentences, and she has a bachelors degree in english lit
[04:45] <bigfoot1> by the way, how do we install deb files? with dpkg? or with aptitude or with apt-get?
[04:45] <frequency> dpkg -i
[04:46] <Computer__Guru> synd: that education is relative, and no matter how stupid society gets, we'll just keep handing out diplomas
[04:46] <synd> Computer__Guru, thats absurd and few and far between
[04:46] <bigfoot1> frequency, and you have no problems with the deb packages you install? So all deb packages work fine with ubuntu, right?
[04:46] <Computer__Guru> it is?
[04:46] <socomm> Computer__Guru: `whoc?
[04:46] <Computer__Guru> look around yourself the next time you're out in public
[04:46] <tfort> anyone here use cedega?
[04:46] <Computer__Guru> see how many faces are slack and almost unaware of their surroundings
[04:47] <Computer__Guru> this is the AVERAGE high school student, these days
[04:47] <synd> Computer__Guru, do you live here?
[04:47] <Computer__Guru> but this is a debate for another time and place
[04:47] <Computer__Guru> lets back off it
[04:47] <Computer__Guru> in the US>
[04:47] <synd> no, im asking if you live in Kentucky
[04:47] <ce33na> Computer__Guru: this is getting dangerously close to a political discussion. Its neither the time or place.
[04:47] <frequency> bigfoot1: official debian debs may be different (due to possible minor differences in C library versions, etc), but only minor things..  but regular debs that someone is offering on their site for a debian system should be fine..
[04:47] <Computer__Guru> I most certainly do. but I'm also educated, well spoken, and extremely intelligent. I have never worn that slack expression on my face, and I never will.
[04:47] <sushubh> what service do linux run for mouse?
[04:48] <synd> Computer__Guru, well good for you! want a cookie?
[04:48] <bigfoot1> frequency, how do we install deb files? dpkg? apt-get? aptitude? which is the best way to install deb files?
[04:48] <socomm> Computer__Guru: Intellegent and modest.
[04:48] <Computer__Guru> no, i want america to start teaching our kids again, instead of passing them through the ranks regardless of how much theyve managed to avoid learning..
[04:48] <tfort> bigfoot1, dpkg
[04:48] <Computer__Guru> socomm: no sin in modesty
[04:48] <Frank_dot> Computer__Guru: After quite a few beers, my face is also pretty slack, usually.
[04:48] <frequency> bigfoot1: run 'dpkg -i foo.deb'
[04:49] <bigfoot1> aptitude doesn't install deb files?
[04:49] <bigfoot1> nor apt-get?
[04:49] <frequency> bigfoot1: it does..  but dpkg is what i use..
[04:49] <Computer__Guru> Frank_dot: after quite a few beers, my face is usually about 6 inches above the rim of the commode
[04:49] <tfort> anyone know a good place to get more sources for source list?  i can't even get mplayer up due to md5sum checks!?
[04:49] <Computer__Guru> beer doesnt sit well in my stomach
[04:49] <bigfoot1> ok. i'll do dpkg, then. thank you! 8-)
[04:49] <frequency> bigfoot1: it's simple with dpkg (which i think may even use apt-get internally)
[04:49] <Computer__Guru> tfort: take the us. out of every line in sources.list and do an apt-get upate
[04:50] <frequency> bigfoot1: not a problem, brother
[04:50] <Computer__Guru> err update
[04:50] <socomm> Computer__Guru: No offense but this is sorta off topic.
[04:50] <bigfoot1> 8-)
[04:50] <Computer__Guru> socomm: yeah ill stop :)
[04:50] <ce33na> HydraIRC...isnt that a windows program?
[04:50] <lord> newb question: How do I update my comp to firefox 1.0.5
[04:50] <Computer__Guru> socomm: the declining level of education in the us is a real sensitive spot for me
[04:51] <tfort> Computer__Guru, do you mean any deb with us.whatever just ## comment them out?
[04:51] <dj28> Computer__Guru: the educational system has always been crap. all good scientists here have ALWAYS come from abroad
[04:51] <NoHope> lord, I think there is not firefox 1.0.5 at ubuntu repositories. you have to install on your own.
[04:51] <socomm> Computer__Guru: Im guessing it is for most of the intellegent people.
[04:51] <Computer__Guru> tfort: remove "us." so that each reads "archi.." instead of "us.acrhiv.."
[04:51] <frequency> lord: download the installer from getfirefox.com
[04:51] <ce33na> dj28: tell that to the followers of Richard Feinman
[04:51] <Computer__Guru> then sudo apt-get update
[04:51] <Frank_dot> lord: you can wait a few days, and the security patches will be in hoary security
[04:52] <lord> ok, guess ill wait
[04:52] <Computer__Guru> tfort: you're also going to want universe and multiverse
[04:52] <Computer__Guru> tfort: then apt-get build-dep mplayer-686 && apt-get install mplayer-686 mplayer-fonts
[04:52] <Frank_dot> ce33na: thats Feynman
[04:52] <dj28> does anybody know when the us repositories will get fixed?
[04:53] <ce33na> :)
[04:53] <Computer__Guru> i never use localized repositories anyways
[04:53] <synd> dj28, just dont use them
[04:53] <dj28> duh, i'm not
[04:53] <dj28> that's not what i asked though
[04:53] <synd> well then dont worry about them.
[04:53] <dj28> then don't answer if you can't
[04:53] <frequency> synd: what if he really wants to know?
[04:54] <glick> hmm for some reason i cant get xfce4 i get MD5Sum mismatch
[04:54] <Computer__Guru> seems like int he open source community, us-based repositories always get and remain neglected (as evidenced by the month long broken us ubuntu repositories.. solution: fix them? noooo, just tell ppl to use the main repository) heh
[04:54] <frequency> dj28: if you really want you can mirror the main repository yourself.. ;-)
[04:54] <dj28> i wish i had the resources
[04:54] <tfort> Computer__Guru, thanks
[04:55] <Computer__Guru> tfort: if you get stuck along the way anywhere, just throw me a /msg and ill be happy to help
[04:55] <Computer__Guru> but you dont need to compile mplayer,t here's a package in multiverse
[04:56] <aarcane> hi, my kubuntu desktop stopped making my icons appear on my desktop!!!
[04:56] <frequency> dj28: i've actually been planning on opening a web-hosting business.. if i do, i'll more than likely do that..
[04:56] <covux> hi. is there a way to delete the "suspend to disk" entry in logout screen?
[04:56] <dj28> frequency: ah, cool
[04:56] <poningru> glick: try the uk mirror
[04:56] <drcode> hi all
[04:56] <aarcane> I got a few icons, but when I plug in my ipod it doesn't show up anymore like it used to u,.,u
[04:56] <poningru> if you are in the US
[04:56] <drcode> any one know answer machine client server?
[04:56] <Computer__Guru> ubotu mplayer-install is Simple: enable universe and multiverse in /etc/apt/sources.list, then sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer-686, then sudo apt-get install mplayer-686 mplayer-fonts
[04:56] <ubotu> okay, Computer__Guru
[04:56] <NoHope> hey, Do you know how to make gnome-terminal output ls with colors? Only root can do that...
[04:57] <glick> poningru, how do i change mirrors?
[04:57] <drcode> or answer machine that will know to answer voice \ fax and send them in email?
[04:57] <poningru> go into your source.list
[04:57] <calc> NoHope: uncomment the lines in .bashrc
[04:57] <Computer__Guru> !mplayer install
[04:57] <ubotu> Computer__Guru: I don't know, could you explain it?
[04:57] <Computer__Guru> !mplayer-install
[04:57] <ubotu> I heard mplayer-install is Simple: enable universe and multiverse in /etc/apt/sources.list, then sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer-686, then sudo apt-get install mplayer-686 mplayer-fonts
[04:57] <poningru> !source.list
[04:57] <ubotu> poningru: I don't know, could you explain it?
[04:57] <poningru> oh wow
[04:57] <cafuego> !mplayer-install =~ s/-686/$CPU/g
[04:57] <ubotu> OK, cafuego
[04:57] <Computer__Guru> there we go :)
[04:57] <poningru> who cleaned ubotu?
[04:57] <Madpilot> !sourcees
[04:58] <ubotu> Wish i knew, Madpilot
[04:58] <Computer__Guru> cafuego: you're an ass.
[04:58] <Madpilot> !sources
[04:58] <ubotu> I heard sources is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersAddingRepositories
[04:58] <poningru> glick: hold on let me go look
[04:58] <Madpilot> poningru: is that what you meant? ^^^
[04:58] <Computer__Guru> you know how long it took to type that, and how often i type it?
[04:58] <frequency> alright, ladies, i'm off to get some chow..
[04:58] <frequency> take care
[04:58] <cafuego> !mplayer-install =~ s/fonts/fonts. $CPU can be 686 if you're on a pentium or k6 or k7 if you're on an Athlon.
[04:58] <ubotu> cafuego: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[04:59] <NoHope> calc, I could. thx.
[04:59] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: if you didn't add broken factoids I wouldn't have to be.
[04:59] <Computer__Guru> oh i see what u did
[04:59] <poningru> Madpilot: that page does not exist
[04:59] <aarcane> Help!!  I put kubuntu on my laptop, and it worked fine, then my ipod stopped working..  Now whenever I plug it in, it doesn't show up >,.,<
[04:59] <Computer__Guru> my bad
[04:59] <cafuego> intel fanboi ;-)
[04:59] <poningru> glick: just find your source.list
[04:59] <Computer__Guru> it's not that broken, mplayer-686 isd a pseudo package anyways and autoselects either mplayer-386 or mplayer-586
[04:59] <mebaran151> which would be a better language to take up
[04:59] <Computer__Guru> so neener
[04:59] <poningru> and change every us. to uk.
[04:59] <Madpilot> poningru: damn, you're right. oops. know the real URL?
[04:59] <mebaran151> Python or C#
[04:59] <glick> wtf on the live cd there is rythmbox but not in repositryies?
[05:00] <glick> cd poningru what do you mean?
[05:00] <Frank_dot> !help
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151: c, imo
[05:00] <mebaran151> C
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> mplayer-install:
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> sh: mplayer-install: command not found
[05:00] <mebaran151> just plain old C
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> ewps
[05:00] <mebaran151> but how passe
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> !mplayer-install
[05:00] <cafuego> !find rhythmbox
[05:00] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'rhythmbox' (2 shown): rhythmbox ;; rhythmbox-applet.
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> thats cool
[05:00] <cafuego> glick: Spell it right, might help.
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> i like how u did that, cafuego
[05:00] <duck-> i installed ubuntu today, and i'm getting the error "Frequency Out of Range"... any suggestions?
[05:01] <Madpilot> !repos
[05:01] <ubotu> repos is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:01] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: sed if yer friend.
[05:01] <glick> heh
[05:01] <poningru> glick: gah hold on
[05:01] <Computer__Guru> although, you should edit it and make it mplayer-$CPU instead of mplayer$CPU
[05:01] <tfort> Computer__Guru, got it running, thanks, btw, do you know where the RC is for setting startup programs?
[05:01] <Computer__Guru> tfort: in what desktop?
[05:01] <tfort> Computer__Guru, i want to setup torsmo and fspanel
[05:01] <tfort> openbox
[05:01] <newbie> duck change the screen resolution
[05:01] <tfort> but... i can't use the .xinitrc cuz im still using gdm
[05:02] <Computer__Guru> no clue, heh.. ~/.Xsession maybe
[05:02] <glick> damn gnome is so damn heavy compared to xfce4
[05:02] <Computer__Guru> ubotu forget mplayer-install
[05:02] <ubotu> i forgot mplayer-install, Computer__Guru
[05:03] <poningru> glick: hmm I cant figure out how to change the mirror
[05:03] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: Actually, that build-dep is fully superfluous. It just pulls in useless -dev packages.
[05:03] <Computer__Guru> ubotu mplayer-install is Simple: enable universe and multiverse in /etc/apt/sources.list, then sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer-$CPU, then sudo apt-get install mplayer-$CPU mplayer-fonts. $CPU can be 686 if you're on a pentium or k6 or k7 if you're on an Athlon.
[05:03] <ubotu> Computer__Guru: okay
[05:03] <poningru> but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[05:03] <Computer__Guru> cafuego: nice to have though.
[05:03] <poningru> Madpilot: did you get that too?
[05:03] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: No, useless unless you're compiling it.
[05:04] <Computer__Guru> *shrug* thats how i was taught
[05:04] <Computer__Guru> either way, it doesnt hurt
[05:04] <glick> there is an MD5Sum mismatch on the us servers when i try to install xfce4
[05:04] <glick> wtf
[05:04] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: build-dep pulls in the libs and headers for compilation of that package.
[05:04] <Computer__Guru> glick: remove the .us fromy our sources.list
[05:05] <scanwinder> is there a way to not boot into gnome in ubuntu?....and just boot into the terminal
[05:05] <Madpilot> poningru: sorry? was away from the comp?
[05:05] <Computer__Guru> err the us.
[05:05] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: The normal depends pull in required libraries... and additional stuff is in 'suggests'.
[05:05] <zeeble> hi. I get a md5sum mismatch when trying to install libcairol_0.3.0... which is apparently a firefox dependancy.. anyone got a workaround?
[05:05] <glick> Computer__Guru, and replace it with what?
[05:05] <Computer__Guru> glick: just remove any instance of "us."
[05:05] <Frank_dot> zeeble: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the "us." in front of archive everywhere
[05:05] <Computer__Guru> and then apt-get update
[05:05] <zeeble> hm, ok
[05:05] <cafuego> glick: Whilst you're add it, can you do that in the UN too, please?
[05:06] <Madpilot> poningru: sorry, you mean the Newuser...repos URL?
[05:06] <cafuego> s/add/at/
[05:06] <Frank_dot> zeeble: us archive is having problems
[05:06] <glick> so  deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe becomes  deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[05:06] <dejan_> moin
[05:06] <glick> ?
[05:06] <sk2> has anyone had success running ubuntu on older hardware - I have debian installed on my P200/32mb ram laptop and was wondering how well ubuntu would handle it
[05:06] <Computer__Guru> exactly
[05:06] <scanwinder> is there a way to boot into the linux shell and not gnome?
[05:06] <Quest-Master> sk2: read up on a custom install, and use something like Fluxbox or XFCE
[05:06] <cafuego> sk2: it's not going to be happy with only 32Mb ram.
[05:06] <zeeble> Frank_dot: yeah, got it. installed fine now.
[05:06] <Frank_dot> zeeble: great
[05:06] <Madpilot> hmmm... don't NewUserGuideAddingRepositories & AddingRepositoriesHowto overlap far too much?
[05:06] <Computer__Guru> sk2: cli would probably be fine, although you're not gonna get much of a wm above maybe fluxbox or windowmaker
[05:07] <sk2> yeah thats what i thought
[05:07] <cafuego> Mind you, all you need is cli anyway. (maybe with fbcon, so you can view gfx too)
[05:07] <zeeble> scanwinder: do not start gdm/kdm. man update-rc.d to remove gdm from startup.  or chmod -x /etc/rc.d/init.d/gdm
[05:07] <Computer__Guru> svgalib is your friend
[05:07] <sk2> just debian has  minimal documentation I can find, so as thinking of switching to ubuntu
[05:08] <cafuego> sk2: /usr/share/doc/*
[05:08] <zeeble> heh.
[05:08] <glick> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe xfce4-panel 4.2.1.1-1ubuntu1
[05:08] <glick>   Could not connect to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (82.211.81.151). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[05:08] <glick> ?
[05:08] <Computer__Guru> sk2: i say go for it, but just install the server, then install like fluxbox or windowmaker - both should do 'okay' in the limited ram you have
[05:08] <teferi> ahhh, no wonder my mplayer was broken, it was still the marillat one
[05:08] <glick> lol no i cant connect to the archive
[05:08] <glick> fuck!
[05:09] <sk2> cafuego: i meant more in the way of how-to guides
[05:09] <Computer__Guru> glick: thats odd
[05:09] <Computer__Guru> Fetched 103kB in 24s (4124B/s)
[05:09] <Computer__Guru> Reading package lists... Done
[05:09] <Computer__Guru> Date: Fri Jul 15 Time: 23:09:45
[05:09] <Computer__Guru> {jay@psilocybin (~)}:$
[05:10] <glick> this is why i was hesitant about installing ubuntu
[05:10] <Computer__Guru> i dunno whats wrong with your sources.list but mine updates just fine
[05:10] <sk2> shrooms?
[05:10] <Computer__Guru> glick msg me and ill give you a good sources.list
[05:10] <zeeble> glick: the archive is working fine. paste your sources.list somewhere.
[05:11] <zeeble> but yeah, i have problems too, like when installing mozilla-firefox 1.4.. did'nt install
[05:12] <glick> http://rafb.net/paste/results/z783bu80.html
[05:12] <glick> there is my sources list
[05:12] <Computer__Guru> glick you got mine?
[05:12] <kamstrumental> i just installed ubuntu................ now what should i do? :)
[05:12] <Computer__Guru> kamstrumental: have fun
[05:13] <zeeble> go to http://www.ubuntuguide.org and see if you want to follow some stuff there.
[05:13] <_DuDe_> back
[05:13] <Frank_dot> !ubuntuguide
[05:13] <ubotu> somebody said ubuntuguide was a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[05:13] <_DuDe_> ./racbot: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:13] <Computer__Guru> ubuntuguide:
[05:13] <Computer__Guru> sh: ubuntuguide: command not found
[05:13] <_DuDe_> HELP ME@!!@!!@!!@!!@!!
[05:13] <Computer__Guru> !ubuntuguide
[05:14] <glick> does anyone know why apt wont connect to shit?
[05:14] <glick> sometimes it does then it doesnt
[05:14] <glick> i bet if i reboot my computer it would work again
[05:14] <_DuDe_> ./racbot: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:15] <glick> cause thats what i did the firest time it stopped working, but if i have to reboot my computer everytime i want to install something then thats bullshit
[05:15] <Computer__Guru> glick: try that i guess... sounds almost like you're banned from the archives
[05:15] <kamstrumental> i switched from suse 9.2.... in that, there was what was called YAST.. is there an equivelant to that in ubuntu?
[05:15] <glick> why would i be banned?
[05:15] <Computer__Guru> i dont know
[05:15] <Computer__Guru> doesnt make sense
[05:15] <Frank_dot> kamstrumental: yes, apt
[05:16] <Computer__Guru> i dont have that problem at all
[05:16] <ce33na> kamstrumental: synaptic package manager
[05:16] <tuxJr_14> hi
[05:16] <Computer__Guru> yeah synaptic is nice
[05:16] <tuxJr_14> _DuDe_, wassup?
[05:16] <_DuDe_> ./racbot: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:16] <Computer__Guru> whatever you do dont use kynaptic though
[05:16] <ce33na> I have had intermittent problems such as glick is having
[05:17] <ce33na> I think its a bandwidth problem
[05:17] <ce33na> too many people swapping over to ubuntu
[05:17] <Frank_dot> _DuDe_: where did you get that program?
[05:17] <tuxJr_14> i'm getting a measly 640x480 in ubuntu even though i get 1024x768 in my other distros.
[05:17] <_DuDe_> Which one?
[05:17] <tuxJr_14> i even tried reconfiguring xserver-xorg
[05:17] <tuxJr_14> package
[05:18] <Frank_dot> _DuDe_: ./racbot
[05:18] <_DuDe_> from, ummm, lemme get url
[05:18] <Computer__Guru> you try checking xorg.conf to see if its using the right driver?
[05:18] <glick> ce33na, what the hell this sucks
[05:18] <nalioth> tuxJr_14: have you chosen the VESA driver when you reconfigure?
[05:18] <tuxJr_14> Computer__Guru, yup. it's using the right one
[05:18] <Computer__Guru> cause i got no problems in 1280x960
[05:18] <tuxJr_14> nalioth, nope. i810
[05:18] <_DuDe_> http://www.racbot.org/
[05:18] <glick> what does this mean
[05:19] <Computer__Guru> there was a chick in here yesterday with an i810 having the EXACT same problem
[05:19] <glick> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[05:19] <nalioth> tuxJr_14: reconfigure, and choose the VESA driver and see if you get more rez options
[05:19] <tuxJr_14> nalioth, thanks
[05:19] <Computer__Guru> just what it says glick, proceed at your own risk
[05:19] <kamstrumental> i see synaptik but not apt under system menu
[05:19] <glick> Computer__Guru, yeah i know what it means
[05:19] <glick> why does it say that
[05:19] <tfort> anyone here know how to do an rc for openbox when using GDM?
[05:19] <zeeble> kamstrumental: apt runs from the command line.
[05:19] <JavaOnLinux> tuxJr_14, XOrg doc mentioned that there are problems with i810, read there.
[05:19] <glick> why arnt they authorized
[05:19] <Computer__Guru> kamstrumental: apt is cli... use synaptic
[05:20] <drcode> hi all
[05:20] <nalioth> glick: that is not a network problem, that is a security-of-package problem (are you using official repos?)
[05:20] <ce33na> glick: are you using unofficial sources, such as backports?
[05:20] <Computer__Guru> glick you got backports in there?
[05:20] <dylan_> how do i know which kind of file system im using?
[05:20] <glick> nalioth, yeah
[05:20] <zeeble> kamstrumental: and no, apt is not a complete replacement for yast.
[05:20] <ce33na> kamstrumental: apt is command line
[05:20] <Computer__Guru> dylan_: df -Th
[05:20] <glick> ce33na, nope
[05:20] <glick> http://rafb.net/paste/results/z783bu80.html
[05:20] <glick> thats my sources list
[05:20] <Computer__Guru> glick: backports are unofficial, there's no authentication available for them yet
[05:20] <Computer__Guru> ie, theyre not yet signed
[05:21] <glick> i just want to get xfce4
[05:21] <glick> goddamnit
[05:21] <Frank_dot> _DuDe_: you compiled from source?
[05:21] <Computer__Guru> so get it
[05:22] <_DuDe_> Frank_dot, I did everything that it said to do in Readme, and Install
[05:22] <Computer__Guru> it instalkls just fine for me
[05:22] <Computer__Guru> i should install it just to take a peek at it
[05:22] <Computer__Guru> see how much its changed
[05:23] <kamstrumental> i'll stab synaptik and build up my braveness to try apt
[05:23] <Frank_dot> _DuDe_: it wants tcl 8.4.9
[05:23] <_DuDe_> I did that also
[05:23] <Frank_dot> _DuDe_: ubuntu has tcl 8.4.7
[05:23] <tuxJr_14> yay!
[05:23] <Computer__Guru> glick
[05:23] <tuxJr_14> it worked!
[05:23] <Computer__Guru> 0 upgraded, 42 newly installed, 0 to remove and 48 not upgraded.
[05:23] <Computer__Guru> Need to get 15.6MB/15.8MB of archives.
[05:23] <Computer__Guru> After unpacking 67.2MB of additional disk space will be used.
[05:23] <Computer__Guru> Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? y
[05:23] <tuxJr_14> thanks!
[05:23] <glick> i got md5sum mismatch error on the us mirrors
[05:23] <dylan_> how do i change my file system?
[05:24] <ce33na> kamstrumental: I used apt with debian for a long time. I'm happy as a lark to use synaptic. Its far easier than apt.
[05:24] <radioh0> anyone here?
[05:24] <tuxJr_14> radioh0, very much here
[05:24] <poningru> ok now I have a problem
[05:24] <_DuDe_> brb
[05:24] <radioh0> i cannot install apache.
[05:24] <radioh0> Package apache is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:24] <radioh0> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:24] <radioh0> is only available from another source
[05:24] <radioh0> E: Package apache has no installation candidate
[05:24] <radioh0> what the hell
[05:25] <ce33na> nope
[05:25] <ce33na> :)
[05:25] <tuxJr_14> radioh0, from the net repo or from the cd repo?
[05:25] <Computer__Guru> why in the hell did it want my ubuntu cd when its downloading everything
[05:25] <nalioth> radioh0: use synaptic and search for the pkg
[05:25] <Computer__Guru> how odd
[05:25] <dylan_> can i change my file system?
[05:25] <tuxJr_14> dylan_, you can,
[05:25] <ce33na> sources.list may be ubuntu's undoing
[05:25] <radioh0> tuxJr_14: i'm not sure --- how can i check
[05:25] <nalioth> dylan_: what do you want to do that for?
[05:26] <ce33na> dylan_: not after you install the system
[05:26] <dylan_> i dont want to defragment my hard disk and currerntly have ext3
[05:26] <tuxJr_14> radioh0, paste your /etc/apt/source.list in #flood
[05:26] <dylan_> but i hear Reiser is unfragmentable
[05:26] <dylan_> its like impervious to fragmentation
[05:26] <Computer__Guru> you can override the default fsck behavior, but if fsck sees fit to check your drive, you should let it
[05:26] <glick> wow i love how shitty ubuntu mirrors are!
[05:26] <ce33na> dylan_: better leave it alone
[05:26] <Computer__Guru> nothing is impervious to fragmentation
[05:26] <kamstrumental> this is awesome...
[05:26] <tuxJr_14> dylan_, you must take backups firsty
[05:26] <dylan_> right....is ext3 just as good
[05:27] <tuxJr_14> *first
[05:27] <nalioth> dylan_: both reiser and ext2/3 are low fragmentation filesystems
[05:27] <glick> Computer__Guru, im using your file now and still get the same problems
[05:27] <ce33na> yep
[05:27] <radioh0> ggrrr
[05:27] <nalioth> dylan_: >%4
[05:27] <Computer__Guru> glick: how odd.. whereabouts are you located?
[05:27] <glick> philadelphia US
[05:27] <Computer__Guru> glick: im getting relatively slow transfers, but they're going
[05:27] <Computer__Guru> hey im a state away :)
[05:27] <Computer__Guru> <-- columbus, oh
[05:27] <dylan_> what's that do, nalioth?
[05:27] <ce33na> dylan_: ext3 has better support
[05:28] <dylan_> so will i ever need to defrag?
[05:28] <Computer__Guru> ext3 is also more stable.. though reiser i considerably faster
[05:28] <ce33na> or should I say....has had better adoption rates
[05:28] <glick> this blows as
[05:28] <glick> ass
[05:28] <kamstrumental> what exactly is debian
[05:28] <nalioth> dylan_: with ext2/3 or reiser, you need never defrag (and i dont know a linux defrag program anyway)
[05:28] <glick> kamstrumental, it works
[05:28] <kamstrumental> *i am VERY new to this.
[05:28] <glick> kamstrumental, which is more then i can say of these mirrors so far
[05:29] <kamstrumental> glick: lol
[05:29] <Computer__Guru> glick im gonna say its probably got something to do with either your isp or somewhere in your pipe between you and the archive,c ause im on roadrunner and it works just fine.. nev er even so much as a hiccup
[05:29] <glick> im on roadrunner too
[05:29] <ce33na> kamstrumental: debian is the linux distro that ubuntu is based on
[05:29] <glick> and my isp doesnt block apt for debian
[05:29] <glick> they must really hate ubuntu
[05:29] <dylan_> thanks guys!
[05:29] <mebaran151> glick, I dont think they can
[05:29] <mebaran151> apt works through port 80
[05:29] <mebaran151> http or ftp
[05:29] <glick> watch ima reboot then it will work
[05:30] <mebaran151> if ftp port 21
[05:30] <dylan_> will Wine run iTunes?
[05:30] <Computer__Guru> if i use rr and you use rr and i can get sources, then you can too.. rr policies are set byt he national office, not the individual branches
[05:30] <ce33na> dylan_: you can try, but I wouldn't bet on it
[05:30] <kamstrumental> is debian command line based?
[05:30] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, I dont think they can block port 8
[05:30] <mebaran151> 80
[05:30] <levander> Anybodies done the math to see if burning a CD-RW at 24x is faster than burning a DVD-RW at 6x?
[05:30] <mebaran151> that would be sort of crappy
[05:30] <mebaran151> levander, DVD should be faster
[05:30] <mebaran151> I think
[05:30] <tomchuk> levander,  CD is much slower
[05:30] <Computer__Guru> kamstrumental: they're all command line based, but you can installa desktop
[05:31] <ce33na> kamstrumental: you can set debian up any way you like
[05:31] <nalioth> kamstrumental: you may learn more about debian at www.debian.org
[05:31] <Cooner750> If were talking about Road Runner; I have it and i
[05:31] <kamstrumental> sounds like i have lots to learn
[05:31] <Cooner750> i'm pretty sure they dont block port 80
[05:31] <Cooner750> UDP or TCP?
[05:31] <nalioth> kamstrumental: as much or as little as you like
[05:31] <ce33na> kamstrumental: I loved debian, but I have swapped to ubuntu
[05:31] <levander> mebaran151: really, even though the x number is slower, and a DVD is much bigger? (granted I am talking about burning the same amount of data onto each disc)
[05:31] <Scroopy> anbyone know how to allow access to multplie directoris in an FTP?
[05:31] <JDahl> mebaran151, I am fairly sure that an ISP blocking port 80 wouldnt be in business for long
[05:32] <poningru> guys problem
[05:32] <poningru> eric: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/htp could not be found.
[05:32] <poningru> what does that mean?
[05:32] <levander> there is a simple explanation why CD is so much slower?
[05:32] <poningru> err The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/htp could not be found.
[05:32] <Cooner750> Port 80 is quite important to a lot of programs
[05:32] <Scroopy> can anyone here help with with FTP problems
[05:32] <poningru> and how do I fix it?
[05:32] <mebaran151> JDahl, exactly
[05:32] <poningru> Scroopy: sure whats the prob?
[05:32] <mebaran151> levander, yeah
[05:33] <mebaran151> because 1x for CDROM is much slower
[05:33] <Computer__Guru> im installing xfce, windowmaker, and fluxbox just for kicks.. like to see how much theyve changed since i used them last
[05:33] <Scroopy> well i have anonymous working fine with access to a directory
[05:33] <Scroopy> i want it to add another directory
[05:33] <Scroopy> how do i do that?
[05:33] <mebaran151> the x is based on the speed of the first recorder of its kind
[05:33] <ce33na> oh boy....java 1.5 over dialup
[05:33] <nalioth> levander: there is a point in writing speed where the data cannot be written in a reliable method
[05:33] <tomchuk> levander,  1x CD = 150KBps, 1x DVD = 1350 KBps
[05:33] <levander> where's a good place online to buy blank media?
[05:33] <Frank_dot> mebaran151: actually 1x for cd is the speed of reading an audio disk
[05:33] <Cooner750> levander: http://www.newegg.ocm
[05:33] <Cooner750> .com
[05:33] <glick> nope still wont work
[05:33] <Cooner750> try them
[05:33] <glick> whoohoo
[05:34] <Cooner750> http://www.newegg.com
[05:34] <Cooner750> there
[05:34] <mebaran151> Frank_dot, ah
[05:34] <Frank_dot> levander: in canada?
[05:34] <antoine_> what are the package managers which ship with ubunut
[05:34] <levander> tomchuk: thanks, that's the info I was looking for
[05:34] <antoine_> ubuntu*
[05:34] <levander> Frank_dot: usa
[05:34] <glick> apparently everyone else can connect to it cept me
[05:34] <Computer__Guru> really sorry to hear it glick, but dont blame it on ubuntu if you're the only person or one of a very few experiencing the problem
[05:34] <mebaran151> but that was the first player ...
[05:34] <glick> lol
[05:34] <Frank_dot> levander: I don't know, then
[05:34] <levander> Cooner750: newegg has prices that are about like going to compusa and buying them.  There's not a place to get them really cheap online?
[05:35] <dylan_> how do i install additional fonts?
[05:35] <poningru> Scroopy: dude dont pm me
[05:35] <poningru> please
[05:35] <dylan_> like the MS fonts n stuff so web pages look better
[05:35] <antoine_> how do i install a .deb file
[05:35] <Computer__Guru> it's easy in kde, i dunno in gnome
[05:35] <Scroopy> ok
[05:35] <Scroopy> then how i do it?
[05:35] <poningru> Scroopy: just use something like gftp
[05:35] <Computer__Guru> im gonna go play in different window managers, bbiaf
[05:35] <tomchuk> dylan_,  install msttcorefonts
[05:35] <poningru> because there are bunch of cli commands
[05:35] <Scroopy> i got proftpd
[05:35] <dylan_> thanks
[05:35] <shray> any harry potter fans ?
[05:35] <levander> Circuit City has great prices on blank discs, but they don't carry the discs rated at the fastest speeds.
[05:35] <shray> good news!
[05:35] <Scroopy> yeh i am one
[05:35] <Scroopy> got th boook lyin on my bed
[05:35] <poningru> yeah me too
[05:35] <shray> http://content.ytmnd.com//94000/94316/image.jpg
[05:35] <poningru> but not in here please
[05:36] <nalioth> dylan_: you can use ANY truetype fonts you like, they go in ~/.fonts
[05:36] <Cooner750> whereever you get blank CDs I recommend Verbatim. Never had one prob. with them. I've had tons of issues with Sony and Memorex
[05:36] <Frank_dot> shray: if I cared, I would be pissed
[05:36] <poningru> hahaha
[05:36] <poningru> shray: so wrong
[05:36] <hondje> shray: I never saw it coming :)
[05:36] <hondje> +2, quality trolling
[05:36] <Scroopy> poningru: so how i add another folder to my FTP access
[05:36] <shray> hondje: didnt you write harry potter?!
[05:36] <shray> waduf
[05:37] <hondje> No
[05:37] <Yock> shray: you think there will be another?
[05:37] <shray> Yock: hell yeah. and this time pooter dies too
[05:37] <damon> Does anyone know when all the new Breezy xorg packages will be in a usable state?
[05:37] <poningru> Scroopy: that should be set accordingly in the other server
[05:37] <Frank_dot> damon: In october for sure
[05:37] <antoine_> how do you add a package to your package manager
[05:37] <Frank_dot> antoine_: a repository or just one pacakge?
[05:37] <damon> Thanks Frank...
[05:37] <dylan_> where can i get good theemes?
[05:38] <dylan_> themes*
[05:38] <damon> THEMES: gnome-look.org
[05:38] <antoine_> whats the other package manager besides synaptic
[05:38] <Cooner750> dylan_: Search Google for Gnome themes?
[05:38] <jswensen> I am getting a bunch of MD5Sum Mismatch errors on pretty common packages...any suggestions?
[05:38] <dylan_> ok
[05:38] <antoine_> its a .deb file
[05:38] <kamstrumental> c33ena: why did you go from devian to ubuntu
[05:38] <Frank_dot> antoine_: there is kynaptic but synaptic is the best gui one
[05:38] <damon> MD5 MISMATCH: remove the "us" from your servers so they look like archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[05:38] <poningru> yeah synaptic is the best
[05:39] <nalioth> dylan_: themes.org, www.deviantart.com, gnome-look.com
[05:39] <Cooner750> this is neat: http://gnome-look.org/content/pre1/22628-1.jpg
[05:39] <glick> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xfce4-panel/xfce4-panel_4.2.1.1-1ubuntu1_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[05:39] <glick> whooohooo!
[05:39] <antoine_> i though there was one that was mentioned in the forum that people liked better because it removed uneeded packages once the dependencies were removed
[05:39] <nalioth> !usrepos
[05:39] <ubotu> somebody said usrepos was if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:39] <nalioth> glick: ^^^^^
[05:39] <Frank_dot> antoine_: that's aptitude one the console
[05:39] <ce33na> kamstrumental: x.org transition screwed up my Debian box. I had some ubuntu experience with my wife's machine. it was time to start fresh
[05:39] <glick> yeah when i did that i couldnt connect to shit
[05:39] <antoine_> ah, yes
[05:40] <Cooner750> is there a program for Ubuntu to cover all of the text with a splash screen and loading bar?
[05:40] <nalioth> glick: then check your syntax
[05:40] <antoine_> im trying to install enlightenment engage for the osx-like dock
[05:40] <Scroopy> can anyone assist me in some ftp issues?
[05:40] <antoine_> and the download was a .deb file
[05:40] <kamstrumental> ce33na: why ubuntu? why not red hat, it seems very popular?
[05:40] <glick> nalioth, i just delete 'us.'  from each one
[05:40] <damon> Cooner: not that I know of, but "USplash" is in the works
[05:40] <Madpilot> Cooner750: lots of good stuff there. http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=23009
[05:41] <jswensen> I am trying that now.  Hope it works.  Someone should get google to make a forum with that tip as the first hit :-)
[05:41] <glick> is there a uk.archive.ubuntu.com?
[05:41] <ce33na> kamstrumental: there are two types of people in the linux world. Those who love RH and those who hate RH. I'm in the latter camp.
[05:41] <nalioth> kamstrumental: red hat is popular, but there is a term invented because of redhat  "red hat hell"
[05:42] <nalioth> glick: use gb.archive.etc
[05:42] <lula> 
[05:42] <ce33na> kamstrumental: I got that way by actually using RH at one time
[05:42] <Cooner750> I was just wondering; Is the LiveCD version bootable off of a harddrive? Like as if it was on a oversized usb pendrive (considering it's over 600MB)?
[05:42] <fortysixand2> ce33na:  I dunno, I can take it or leave it.  It has it's place
[05:42] <kamstrumental> wow  :)
[05:42] <tuxJr_14> Cooner750, you can do that
[05:42] <damon> antoine: run "sudo dpkg -i [packagename] .deb"
[05:42] <tuxJr_14> if you have a free partition
[05:42] <jswensen> All: removing the 'us.' prefix fixed everything.  Thanks for the help.
[05:42] <damon> cooner: I have a 1Gb pendrive :)
[05:43] <Cooner750> I have a free little 2GB FAT32?
[05:43] <kamstrumental> the reason i swtiched off suse is because all the dependency issues that seemed to keep on arising
[05:43] <lula> hola
[05:43] <Computer__Guru> wow
[05:43] <Computer__Guru> xfce4 is FAST
[05:43] <lula> spanish?
[05:43] <Cooner750> BUT; how would I boot it? Since it is a secondary partition; the BIOS skips it and loads windows
[05:43] <tuxJr_14> Cooner750, alll the data will be lost on that partition and you will be using iso9660 instead of fat32
[05:43] <Cooner750> Would I edit the windows boot.ini to point to something?
[05:43] <fortysixand2> Computer__Guru:  duh, thats why we love it!  :D
[05:43] <Frank_dot> lula you can try #ubuntu-es for spanish
[05:44] <lula> ok
[05:44] <Computer__Guru> fortysixand2: but umm
[05:44] <damon> Cooner: I think it would be uber-complicated, you'd need to change your MBR and set up a linux loader like Grub
[05:44] <Computer__Guru> fortysixand2: when i try to configure sound for it, the control panel just closes
[05:44] <tuxJr_14> how can i install kde from kubuntu cds on ubuntu?
[05:44] <lula> #ubuntu-es
[05:44] <fortysixand2> hmmm
[05:44] <stetyR> hola
[05:44] <Computer__Guru> what sound server does it require?
[05:44] <lula> hola
[05:44] <damon> tuxJR: In synaptic, install the kubuntu-desktop package
[05:45] <Frank_dot> lula    /join #ubuntu-es
[05:45] <jswensen> lula, hablo yo el espanol.  No se Ubuntu tanto, pero se Linux en general.
[05:45] <fortysixand2> not sure. I run alsa
[05:45] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  set up dmix instead of using a sound server
[05:45] <lula> hola
[05:45] <tuxJr_14> damon, thanks
[05:45] <stetyR> hablan alunos espaol
[05:45] <lula> alguien ahi?
[05:45] <stetyR> bien que bien
[05:45] <Quest-Master> #ubuntu-es pour espanol
[05:45] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk: whats the package name?
[05:45] <lula> yo escribo espaol
[05:46] <nalioth> por favor, habla espanol en #ubuntu-es
[05:46] <kamstrumental> what is the best media play to get in synaptik
[05:46] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  no package name, it's built into alsa
[05:46] <damon> tuxJR: then in the login screen choose sessions and choose KDE
[05:46] <Cooner750> anyway. Can the windows boot.ini be edited to point to a
[05:46] <jswensen> lula, abra un DCC CHAT y le ayudo.
[05:46] <Cooner750> Ubuntu file?
[05:46] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  http://wiki.arslinux.com/Dmix
[05:46] <damon> kamstrumental: try beep-media-player
[05:46] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk: well, alsa works... at least in kde.. but in xfce when i try to hit the sound icon under settings, it crashes the control panel
[05:46] <tuxJr_14> damon, k
[05:47] <lula> como?
[05:47] <tfort> hmm..
[05:47] <Cooner750> I'm extracting the iso now
[05:47] <tfort> so i'm watching streaming media now
[05:47] <Or1on> hmmm... my laptop is dying. I found a good deal on some of the dells those anyone know if ubuntu works well with those laptop. the inspiron 6000? are they reliable?
[05:47] <glick> fuck it
[05:47] <kamstrumental> Totem will not play anything for nothing.
[05:47] <jswensen> lula, esta utilizando XChat?
[05:47] <lula> si
[05:47] <tfort> and my cpu seen from torsmo is hitting 83%... i'm thinking my gpu isn't even doing anything?
[05:47] <glick> i dont know why this is so gay
[05:47] <damon> I'm typing on an Inspiron 6000 running Breezy right now
[05:47] <Or1on> *does :oD
[05:47] <Cooner750> I know someone who has a Dell Insipiron 5500 it's very reliable
[05:47] <Cooner750> just make sure you keep the fan grill on the back clean :P
[05:48] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  I'm on Debian Sid, so I've got different versions of xfce4, mine work fine with dmix
[05:48] <tfort> Cooner750, i hate dell's cases
[05:48] <lula> #ubuntu-es
[05:48] <fortysixand2> I am running Hoary on an old Inspiron 2600
[05:48] <monto> #comodoro
[05:48] <tfort> and i hate that dell is stubborn with intel and inferior processor
[05:48] <Or1on> damon, sweet. does everything work? how about the modem?
[05:48] <jswensen> click sobre my nombe con la tecla derecha de tu mouse, va al 'Direct client-to-client' y oprima 'Ofrece chat'
[05:48] <Cooner750> tfort: yes, at least the insp. series is like that. I like the Latitude. Thinner lighter machine
[05:48] <damon> Orlon: dont know bout the modem, internal wireless works great though
[05:49] <tfort> Cooner750, if i'm going to go mainstream company, i'd like HP, at least they're AMD
[05:49] <damon> there are great linux laptops sites with howtos for various machines
[05:49] <fortysixand2> I am awaiting delivery of an HP LiveStrong special edition
[05:49] <tfort> fortysixand2, love the sn btw
[05:49] <Cooner750> tfort: HP is my favorite. I have a Pavilion a320n and a a720n. both with AMD Athlons
[05:49] <tfort> fortysixand2, i'm doing nothing but building the 9300's at work right now
[05:50] <fortysixand2> tfort:  thx.  I heard they hve a new release coming out Aug 23.....
[05:50] <tfort> fortysixand2, its a dvd
[05:50] <fortysixand2> sweet
[05:50] <tfort> fortysixand2, the last 6-7 live shows on the last tour
[05:50] <Cooner750> ok I extracted the livecd iso. Can someone tell me how this works. (What file is the first one that starts the whole Ubuntu loading process?)
[05:50] <Cooner750> I see start.exe start.ini autorun.inf and a bunch of folders
[05:51] <fortysixand2> tfort:  nice.  I am wating for another toor
[05:51] <fortysixand2> tour
[05:51] <Cooner750> like "isolinxu" etc...
[05:51] <damon> Cooner: don't extract it. Burn it directly to a CD using a ISO burning program (google it)
[05:51] <tfort> won't happen utnil the new cd
[05:51] <fortysixand2> I know, but I can dream
[05:51] <fortysixand2> going to see system of a down and mars volta in a month
[05:51] <antoine_> how does one go about installing a .deb package from the internet
[05:51] <tfort> fortysixand2, new cd will probably come in december / spring of next year
[05:51] <Cooner750> damon: Is it possible to boot the LiveCD ISO from a HD? I know how to burn the ISO, etc...
[05:51] <nalioth> Cooner750: are you wanting to remaster the livecd?
[05:52] <damon> Cooner, don't extract it. type "freeware windows iso" into google and follow directions.
[05:52] <Frank_dot> antoine_: sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[05:52] <fortysixand2> antoine_:  sudo dpkg -i <package name>
[05:52] <tfort> fortysixand2, one of my friends talked with members of PLC and were talking about danny's drumming on the new cd
[05:52] <antoine_> k thanks
[05:52] <Or1on> I don't mean to start a flame war heheheh... but how are the amd vs. intel on the mobile processor. as far as performance/battery
[05:52] <fortysixand2> Orlon:  too early to tell
[05:52] <calc> Or1on: p-m has better battery life in general
[05:52] <tfort> who cares?
[05:52] <fortysixand2> not enough benchmarks out
[05:52] <tomchuk> Or1on,  Pentium M > *
[05:52] <damon> Orlon: I hear Pentium M;s are better than AMD equiv. as far as battery life
[05:52] <glick> this blows sweaty gay balls
[05:52] <Cooner750> damon: I know how to burn a ISO. I wanted to be able to put the ISO contents on a seperate partiton and edit windows boot.ini to also point to whatever file starts the LiveCD.
[05:52] <calc> Or1on: though amd is working on better mobile chips
[05:52] <Or1on> Yeah I have tried googling it but no luck
[05:52] <glick> i cant install shit
[05:53] <glick> cause apt wont connect to shit
[05:53] <damon> Cooner: oops!
[05:53] <calc> my athlon64 laptop lasts around 2.5hr on battery last i checked
[05:53] <tomchuk> My pentium M lasts 6
[05:53] <tfort> calc, intel uses about double the watts that amd does
[05:53] <Cooner750> I even made a post on the Ubuntu forums about a program called BurnCDCC. A freeware very small ISO burner utility
[05:53] <calc> but it isn't the low power "thin & light" model
[05:53] <fortysixand2> Once I get my turion with 12 cell battery, I'll report the results  :D
[05:53] <calc> tfort: erm i think you got that reversed if you are talking about pentium m
[05:54] <tfort> tfort: i'm just talking about intel vs amd in general
[05:54] <nalioths_dog> glick: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[05:54] <Cooner750> Is there a specific file that starts Ubuntu?
[05:54] <calc> tomchuk: i've seen pentium m that last much less depends on the battery in the laptop
[05:54] <Cooner750> like for windows I think it's win.ini or something
[05:54] <tfort> the latest pentium's vs amd64's are rediculous in their power consumption, amd64 is almost half of intel's
[05:54] <damon> Orlon: two identical Averatec laptops with amd and Intel. Manufacturer claims 1 hr BETTER battery life for pentium model.
[05:54] <tomchuk> calc,  yeah, I've got a t40 with the extended battery :)
[05:54] <Computer__Guru> gonna try this dmix thing, bbiaf
[05:54] <calc> the bettery i have is 65230mWh and full is currently at 59200mWh
[05:55] <nalioth> Cooner750: perhaps you'd like to check out www.linuxfromscratch.org   it's quite informative
[05:55] <Madpilot> Cooner750: if your motherboard supports booting from USB, can't you just stick the entire ISO on your USB pendrive intact?
[05:55] <Or1on> interesting
[05:55] <calc> tomchuk: yea those are nice :)
[05:55] <Cooner750> My pendrive is only 256MB
[05:55] <glick> nalioth, i cant connect to archive.ubuntu.com
[05:55] <glick> i get connection refused
[05:55] <calc> tomchuk: whats the mWh on the t40 extended battery?
[05:55] <tfort> glick, sounds like a personal problem
[05:55] <Madpilot> Cooner750: ah, that's a problem! :)
[05:55] <tfort> glick, try sudo apt-get update
[05:55] <tfort> and see what it sasy
[05:55] <tfort> says
[05:55] <tomchuk> calc,  mine's max is 71280 mWh
[05:55] <glick> tfort, not even with a webbrowser
[05:55] <nalioth> glick: can you ping it or connect to http://archive.ubuntu.com  ?
[05:55] <mebaran151> I am getting a very strange error
[05:55] <mebaran151> when I run file-roller
[05:55] <mebaran151> I get the error
[05:56] <kamstrumental> whay can't i view any video with totem
[05:56] <Cooner750> I wanted to put it on a seperate partition I have on my USB external HD and boot from that. But the issue is; is that the BIOS skips over that 2nd partiton when booting from USB and goes ahead and boots windows
[05:56] <mebaran151> /bin/sh: command 'tar' not found
[05:56] <Sap> Uh... I'm new to Linux. Only played around with it a couple of times - Lycoris, mainly. Anyway, I'm installing ubuntu on my laptop. It's an Acer Extensa 3255XC. It has Windows XP on it and ideally I'd like to keep it that way - dual booting is good, although seeing there's a recovery installer I guess I could be convinced to just have ubuntu. I'd also like to keep the partitions how they are. Anyway, I'm at the part of the install w
[05:56] <nalioths_dog> kamstrumental: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[05:56] <mebaran151> and I know I hav tar
[05:56] <calc> tomchuk: hmm then the p-m is roughly 2x better at battery life it seems
[05:56] <Sap> So the question is: How?
[05:56] <calc> tomchuk: thats about what i would have guessed at as well
[05:56] <glick> i can ping it fine
[05:56] <Cooner750> so; I was wondering what file 'starts' the Ubuntu loading process so I can point the windows boot.ini to it and be able to select it at boot time
[05:57] <tomchuk> calc,  IBM actually updates a pdf with benchmarks of all their laptops and all their batteries every quarter
[05:57] <Frank_dot> Sap: Part of your message is missing\
[05:57] <calc> tomchuk: cool happen to have a link?
[05:57] <tomchuk> calc,  one sec...
[05:57] <Sap> It is?
[05:57] <fortysixand2> Cooner750:  google for windows boot.ini Linux
[05:57] <Sap> It seems okay on this side...
[05:57] <Sap> Oh, please.
[05:58] <Sap> :\
[05:58] <damon> Cooner: Try extracting ISO to partition, in partition program make the partition bootable. Then install this http://gag.sourceforge.net/ to your master boot record to allow you to choose which partition you want to boot from
[05:58] <kamstrumental> thanks guys... i'm off.
[05:58] <glick> holy moses now out of the blue it worked!
[05:58] <Frank_dot> . Sap Anyway, I'm at the part of the install w     I have nothing after
[05:58] <damon> Glick: glad to hear it!
[05:58] <Or1on> hmm. I think I'm going to order one of those dells. I hope it will last a bit... I heard IBM makes pretty reliable laptops. looks like I can get more for less money with the dells tho..
[05:58] <goldfish> Sap: Partition MAgic.
[05:58] <fortysixand2> IBMs are pretty solid
[05:58] <Sap> where I have to configure partitions. It says I have three FAT32 partitions: #1 primary (2GB), #2 primary (18.8GB) and #5 logical (19GB). The 2GB isn't visible in Windows and has the recovery installer of Windows, which is compressed. I don't want to touch it. I just want to play with the other two. And as I said, I'd ideally like to avoid having to ditch Windows.
[05:58] <calc> Or1on: of course dells are cheap
[05:58] <damon> Dell has great deals... got my 6000 for under $1000 with "deal of the week"
[05:58] <fortysixand2> I had one at my last job
[05:58] <Sap> Oh, I guess it trims long messages.
[05:58] <Sap> That's the rest.
[05:58] <calc> Or1on: IBMs are the best laptops you can get, bar none
[05:58] <fortysixand2> andit would NOT die, no matter how much I wated it to
[05:59] <bigfoot1> does anybody here use iaxclient or kiax on their computer? It seems that this won't run if I'm on the phone with skype.
[05:59] <nalioths_dog> Sap: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[05:59] <calc> for pricing you probably can't get much cheaper than dell for what they have in them
[05:59] <mebaran151> how do I save an ENV variable for later use in debain
[05:59] <calc> but dell quality is an oxymoron
[05:59] <Cooner750> damon: I mustve read somewhere (mustve be wrong) that there was a ubuntu.ini file or something that windows bootloader could be pointed to to start ubuntu
[05:59] <damon> Cooner: interesting... that would be a lot easier :)
[05:59] <nalioth> mebaran151: in a text file?
[05:59] <calc> i hear they now actually use real plastic in their cases at least
[05:59] <mebaran151> where ever
[05:59] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:59] <calc> so it doesn't feel like you will break them by just touching them ;)
[05:59] <mebaran151> I just want RUBY_OPTS=--rubygems
[05:59] <tomchuk> calc,  http://www.pc.ibm.com/ww/thinkpad/batterylife.html
[05:59] <mebaran151> every time I start up
[06:00] <Cooner750> damon: I wish it was that easy :)
[06:00] <mebaran151> or something of that sort
[06:00] <JDahl> mebaran151, edit /etc/init.d/bashrc
[06:00] <Sap> As I said, my only experience with 'nix is fooling around in Lycoris... that looks a bit... difficult...
[06:00] <nalioth> mebaran151: then in your ~/.bashrc
[06:00] <calc> tomchuk: thanks
[06:00] <mebaran151> JDahl, all users or jjust root
[06:00] <mebaran151> I want it for all the users
[06:00] <mebaran151> even the users like apache who are sort of fake
[06:00] <mebaran151> and use shell none
[06:00] <mebaran151> they still will call ruby
[06:00] <mebaran151> and ruby can read the env variables
[06:00] <damon> Cooner: you may be right... check out http://bratlady.com/linux_boot.shtml
[06:00] <mebaran151> right now exporting works ... ok
[06:01] <nalioth> mebaran151: then use what JDahl said
[06:01] <mebaran151> oh
[06:01] <mebaran151> ok
[06:01] <mebaran151> that is for everybody nice
[06:01] <Cooner750> damon: waiting for firefox to start (windows is slow today)
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> windows is always slow
[06:02] <firebird619> Hi, where can I get a Parser perl module. I am trying to install a program that says that Parser perl module is required. Can anyone help me?
[06:02] <Cooner750> damon: where can I get ahold of Lilo?
[06:02] <Cooner750> or some other bootloader?
[06:02] <damon> Cooner: google it
[06:02] <nalioth> firebird619: open synaptic and serch for parser
[06:02] <calc> wow ibm has laptops that last nearly 7.5hr
[06:03] <damon> Cooner: google is your friend :)
[06:03] <tomchuk> yeah, they know how to do it, hopefully linovo won't screw up the thinkpad
[06:03] <Coag> i installed ubuntu today with ndiswrapper, and well, i went to system>administration>network and configured the device to work with dhcp and activate it and it doesnt work so i try iwconfig wlano ESSID my_network and dhclient wlan0, and it says no dhcrequest happened
[06:03] <Cooner750> :)
[06:03] <Sap> nalioths_dog: How do I use that if Linux isn't installed.
[06:03] <calc> hmm actually more, 7:49
[06:03] <nalioth> Sap: sorry, i thought you had ubuntu installed already
[06:03] <Cooner750> so it's pretty much pointing the windows bootloader to the grub or lilo ini and then start linux from that?
[06:03] <chaerwin> i need ubuntu information for a class in the university..
[06:04] <hyphenated> Coag: you've gotta check iwconfig to see if it associated or not
[06:04] <chaerwin> can u help me
[06:04] <Sap> Hmm so how do I set it up?
[06:04] <tomchuk> just ask
[06:04] <hyphenated> Coag: otherwise the dhcp requests will be a waste of time
[06:04] <damon> Cooner: I think so... Sorry I don;t have a lot of experience with that
[06:04] <Coag> hyphenated and if it didnt, what can i do next?
[06:04] <firebird619> nalioth: thanks, I wll do that.
[06:04] <Coag> because it says ESSID: off/any
[06:04] <hyphenated> Coag: check it now. if it says "not associated" then you've gotta fix that first
[06:04] <chaerwin> if you have manuals or pdf documents
[06:05] <damon> Chaerwin: have you checked out ubuntu.com ? ubuntuforums.org ?
[06:05] <hyphenated> Coag: did _anything_ change after doing iwconfig wlan0 essid my_network ?
[06:05] <nalioth> chaerwin: wiki.ubuntu.com  ?
[06:05] <calc> thinkpad x40 with extended battery over 11hr
[06:05] <Coag> nothign seemed to
[06:05] <goldfish> Coag: iwlist wlan0 scan , that pick up anything?
[06:05] <Coag> let me check
[06:05] <Or1on> calc, wao!
[06:05] <calc> that would be nearly enough for an transatlantic flight
[06:06] <Coag> sigh
[06:06] <Coag> no it didnt goldfish let me check the antenna
[06:06] <goldfish> chaerwin: you looking for a pdf reader?
[06:07] <Coag> the antenna is connected and still no results
[06:07] <Cooner750> this is what my current XP boot.ini looks like (myfilestash adds a ad to the bottom of it) http://myfilestash.com/userfiles/Cooner750/boot.html
[06:07] <fortysixand2> Coag:  do you have Kismet?
[06:07] <goldfish> hmmm.
[06:07] <Coag> let me check
[06:07] <Or1on> well I just hope this dell will last a while and the modem will work.... I may have to get a linuxant driver I think.
[06:07] <Coag> no i dont
[06:07] <goldfish> install it.
[06:07] <fortysixand2> you migt try d/l'ing that and scanning for APs
[06:07] <Coag> ok
[06:07] <Or1on> Looks like everything else will work.
[06:07] <chaerwin> thanx
[06:08] <goldfish> although, iwlist should find it.
[06:08] <fortysixand2> true
[06:08] <Coag> synaptic package manager have it?
[06:08] <fortysixand2> very true, just trying another angle
[06:08] <Coag> (could it be that im using the ndiswrapper that came with ubuntu?)
[06:08] <tomchuk> calc,  the X40 is next on my shopping list ;)
[06:08] <goldfish> you could try unplugging the router , sometimes mine goes dodgy, have to plug it out and back in.
[06:08] <Coag> i see it under windows
[06:08] <damon> Cooner: Sorry, ithink you're on your own from here on, its as far as my help can go
[06:08] <goldfish> Coag: k.
[06:09] <goldfish> Coag: iwconfig detects the card, yes?
[06:09] <Coag> yes
[06:09] <goldfish> k.
[06:09] <Coag> still do kismet?
[06:09] <calc> tomchuk: t43p at 5hr isn't too shabby either for what all it has in it ;)
[06:09] <spasmodo> anyone have gtk 2.7.3 installed on Hoary?
[06:09] <goldfish> worth a shot
[06:09] <fortysixand2> might as well
[06:09] <Coag> alright
[06:09] <Coag> ill be back after i try that
[06:09] <Coag> thanks alot
[06:09] <fortysixand2> won't take long
[06:09] <tomchuk> calc,  yeah I love the 1400x1050 on my t40
[06:09] <calc> pm 770, 1gb ram, dvd-rw, 15" 1600x1200, 60gb hd, FireGL 128MB :)
[06:10] <tomchuk> calc,  my brother just got the t43p - 2GHz, 2GB, 1600x1200
[06:10] <Cooner750> anybody know of a cd iso that is capable of allowing be to select different partitions to boot from? (cd because I have no floppy disk with me right now)
[06:10] <Or1on> nice
[06:10] <calc> tomchuk: cool :)
[06:10] <Cooner750> me*
[06:10] <tomchuk> calc,  I'm a little jealous to say the least
[06:11] <fortysixand2> I would have gotten an IBM, but they do not sell AMD  :(
[06:11] <Coag> well
[06:11] <fortysixand2> in laptops, anyway
[06:11] <Coag> kismet is not in synaptic
[06:11] <spasmodo>  Cooner750 - are you talking about gtk?
[06:11] <Coag> so i really have no way of getting it on the machine
[06:11] <fortysixand2> james@tressa:~$ apt-cache search kismet
[06:11] <fortysixand2> kismet - Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool
[06:11] <rainingzigzags> how do i extract a tar file
[06:11] <goldfish> Coag: have u added multiverse and universe to your repos?
[06:12] <goldfish> rainingzigzags: tar.gz ?
[06:12] <fortysixand2> Coag: try "sudo apt-get install kismet"
[06:12] <rainingzigzags> just tar
[06:12] <rainingzigzags> i already gunzipped it
[06:12] <fortysixand2> oh yeah, repositories
[06:12] <Cooner750> spasmodo: Just a bootable cd that will allow me to select different partitons to boot from
[06:12] <goldfish> tar -xvvf foo.tar
[06:12] <Cooner750> Floppy would be eaiser; but I dont have a diskette with me now
[06:12] <Coag> apt-get needs internet access doesnt it
[06:12] <rainingzigzags> ok
[06:12] <goldfish> Coag: It does.
[06:12] <fortysixand2> Coag:  yes
[06:12] <damon> Cooner: copy the files from http://btmgr.webframe.org/ to a CD, then run it in DOS
[06:12] <Coag> see
[06:13] <damon> Cooner: oh, I see, you don't want to install it. You could try ultimatebootcd.com
[06:13] <nalioth> rainingzigzags: you know you can gunzip and untar at the same time, right? issue "tar -xvzf file.tar.gz"
[06:13] <rainingzigzags> yea but i didnt remember what to type
[06:13] <rainingzigzags> what is tcl?
[06:13] <goldfish> alais !!
[06:14] <rainingzigzags> i am tryin to isntall eggdrops but it says i need tcl to compile
[06:14] <goldfish> tcl is a programming language?
[06:14] <nalioth> rainingzigzags: open synaptic and search for tcl
[06:14] <rainingzigzags> ok
[06:14] <ed1t> rainingzigzags, install itcl3.0 from synaptic
[06:15] <Coag> i think im confused
[06:15] <Coag> sigh
[06:15] <fortysixand2> Coag:  how so?
[06:15] <Coag> it isnt working
[06:15] <Coag> and i dont know why
[06:15] <tfort> anyone here use cedega and play WoW?
[06:15] <Coag> this is my first experience of debian
[06:15] <Coag> ive used redhat mandrake FC3 and gentoo before
[06:16] <nalioth> Coag: the server is having diffecultys atm, evidentally
[06:16] <fortysixand2> I like gentoo too
[06:16] <Cooner750> i'm downloading the Ulitmate boot cd. I see it has GRUB and a few other boot managers
[06:16] <damon> Cooner: yeah, I think that might help you
[06:16] <IcemanV9> Coag: did you have success with wireless card on RH or FC3??
[06:16] <Coag> nalioth but it isnt, im on the same network here that im trying to be on there
[06:16] <Coag> yes i did
[06:16] <Cooner750> And i'm also copying the extracted ISO to my blank partiton
[06:16] <Coag> through ndiswrapper
[06:17] <fortysixand2> and kismet found nothing?
[06:17] <Coag> i cant get kismet
[06:17] <fortysixand2> why not?
[06:17] <Coag> no way to
[06:17] <IcemanV9> no access to the net, right?
[06:17] <fortysixand2> internet?
[06:17] <rainingzigzags> Tcl cannot be found on this system.
[06:17] <Coag> no access to net on that machine
[06:17] <rainingzigzags> i just installed it
[06:17] <rainingzigzags> but says it isnt there
[06:17] <jewel> Coag: the version of kismet in hoary is pretty old
[06:18] <fortysixand2> oh, you're on a different box
[06:18] <jewel> Caog: You might want to install from source
[06:18] <IcemanV9> Coag: ifconfig wlan0 .. is it up?
[06:18] <Coag> didnt even come on Hoary for me
[06:18] <Coag> where does it say
[06:19] <Computer__Guru> fluxbox is kinda pretty
[06:19] <Computer__Guru> but actually seems a touch slower than xfce
[06:19] <Computer__Guru> and has no run command
[06:19] <capcrash> im trying to use synaptic package manager to install kde and parts of it are installed but some keep failing.
[06:19] <Coag> Computer__Guru i like xfce :)
[06:19] <IcemanV9> Coag: let's try it again .. ifconfig wlan0 down .. dhclient wlan0
[06:19] <Cooner750> damon: just to say; my setup on this box is: 1 internal 120GB NTFS w/ windows xp. 1 external Maxtor 120GB w/ 2 partitons. 1 100-something FAT32 partition and one 2GB FAT32 partition
[06:20] <capcrash> it says: some of the packages could not be retrieved from the server
[06:20] <capcrash> any idea how to get around this ?
[06:20] <Cooner750> 7 minutes left on the UBCD download (I have Road Runner; but it's a 158MB Zip)
[06:20] <IcemanV9> Coag: i understand that you already iwconfig wlan0 .. it should work when you type comands (fingers crossed)
[06:20] <glick> capcrash, hah yeah i just had that problem too
[06:20] <glick> i dont know then out of the blue it worked
[06:21] <nalioth> capcrash: try again later
[06:21] <capcrash> hmm, cause i tried this like last week and it wouldnt do it. and i just tried again and the same thing :/
[06:21] <Cheetahfoot> strange problem ... just installed latest ubuntu on a new box, i'm installing packages and i keep on getting an unusual number of md5 checksum errors ... any ideas?
[06:21] <goldfish> Computer__Guru: Slower?
[06:21] <Cheetahfoot> what could i check?
[06:21] <goldfish> hmmm.
[06:22] <Coag> No DHCPOFFERS
[06:22] <capcrash> i was getting those too
[06:22] <damon> Cooner750: good luck, I've got to go. If nothing else seems to work, consider installing one of the boot managers (like SBM, GAG, etc) on your master boot record. That will let you boot from any partition of any HD on your machine
[06:22] <glick> capcrash, switch to debian?
[06:22] <capcrash> still am actually
[06:22] <goldfish> Cheetahfoot: using us mirrors?
[06:22] <capcrash> im trying ubuntu out, coming from debian actually
[06:22] <Cheetahfoot> goldfish: sorry to be such a noob, but how would i know?
[06:22] <IcemanV9> Coag: something ain't right ... dhcp is not enabled on the wireless router??
[06:22] <nalioth> Cheetahfoot: watch ubotu
[06:22] <capcrash> i like to check diffrent distros out
[06:22] <nalioth> !usrepos
[06:22] <ubotu> I guess usrepos is if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:23] <Coag> Iceman it is
[06:23] <damon> Cheetafoot: in /etc/apt/sources.list, change all instances of "http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu" to "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu"
[06:23] <Coag> that is how i am on on this machine
[06:23] <Coag> let me try something else
[06:23] <capcrash> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdeutils/ark_3.4.0-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[06:23] <capcrash>   MD5Sum mismatch
[06:23] <AlbanianLord> what is a good cd/dvd burner for gnome
[06:23] <AlbanianLord> ?
[06:23] <goldfish> capcrash: us mirrors are broke.
[06:23] <rob^> AlbanianLord, gnomebaker
[06:23] <Cheetahfoot> yes, i am using us mirrors.
[06:23] <damon> Cheetah: that is, in a text editor as root OR easier, you can do it in Synaptic
[06:23] <capcrash> ok
[06:23] <rob^> pfft
[06:23] <capcrash> changing now
[06:23] <spasmodo> AlbanianLord k3b
[06:23] <AlbanianLord> lol
[06:24] <Cheetahfoot> okay, i'll make the change ...
[06:24] <IcemanV9> ok - like others mentioned it before - iwlist wlan0 scan .. it should have your router on the list
[06:24] <AlbanianLord> i meant just for gnome
[06:24] <damon> Cheetah: just remove the "us" and you;ll be all set
[06:24] <damon> someone here had the same problem 15 min ago
[06:24] <rob^> AlbanianLord, what I said before
[06:24] <eli> question for the knowing, when you do a make file do you need any particular compiling programs installed?
[06:24] <AlbanianLord> kok
[06:24] <spasmodo> AlbanianLord - never tried gnome baker
[06:24] <Cheetahfoot> gotta do an apt-get update then, right?
[06:24] <damon> Cheetah: ya
[06:24] <AlbanianLord> nah it isnt that
[06:24] <Computer__Guru> flux is ugly
[06:24] <AlbanianLord> but linux advances so quickly
[06:24] <AlbanianLord> ....
[06:24] <AlbanianLord> lol
[06:25] <Computer__Guru> im gonna check out whats new in wm then probably head back to xfce4, i think i like it
[06:25] <dylan_> where do i  install themes in xml format?
[06:25] <Cheetahfoot> just out of curiosity, why would the us mirrors be generating md5 errors?
[06:25] <Cheetahfoot> are they out of sync?
[06:26] <goldfish> they are broke
[06:26] <fortysixand2> still
[06:26] <Coag> ugg i see one this wrong when i do dhclient
[06:26] <Coag> each time it says dhcprequest, it says at 255.255.255.255 whil my subnet mask should be 255.255.255.0
[06:26] <capcrash> changing there mirrors has fixed my prob
[06:27] <capcrash> thanks
[06:27] <qt2> okay...
[06:27] <qt2> what he hell..
[06:27] <goldfish> Coag: so u can see your AP now?
[06:27] <Coag> no
[06:27] <fortysixand2> dhcp requests always go to 255.255.255.255
[06:27] <goldfish> k
[06:27] <spasmodo> Coag - 255.255.255.255 is the broadcast address
[06:27] <qt2> starting firefox hard freezes my whole x session.
[06:27] <AlbanianLord> what is it with the  X past 6.8.2-36
[06:27] <fortysixand2> how would it know your subnet if it doesn't have a lease yet?
[06:27] <AlbanianLord> i updated to it and it died
[06:28] <Coag> it doesnt
[06:28] <dylan_> how update themes?
[06:28] <Coag> i checked the info on this machine
[06:28] <Coag> trying to see if i specified it if it would work
[06:28] <Coag> and it didnt
[06:28] <AlbanianLord> does anyone in here use the compaq a1500 printer
[06:28] <AlbanianLord> ?
[06:29] <Coag> cups
[06:29] <qt2> anyoe have any idea why firefox would do that?
[06:29] <IcemanV9> what about "iwlist wlan0 scan"? does the router show up on the list?
[06:29] <Cheetahfoot> yes, that fixed it. awesome. thanks everyone, goldfish, damon, nalioth
[06:29] <Coag> Iceman no
[06:29] <elmagozizou> Hi....I have a problem with my printer...
[06:29] <Coag> and i have no clue why
[06:29] <tomchuk> qt2,  firefox from the main ubuntu repo?
[06:29] <elmagozizou> does any body can help me?
[06:29] <AlbanianLord> if anyon does, the lexmark z53 driver works
[06:29] <fortysixand2> when you do iwconfig wlan0 essid <whatever> and then do iwconfig, does it show the name of your AP there?
[06:30] <Madpilot> AlbanianLord: share that info with linuxprinters.org?
[06:30] <Coag> no
[06:30] <spasmodo> qt2 - are you using ndiswrapper?
[06:30] <IcemanV9> that's why dhclient doesn't work .. couldn't find the router
[06:30] <Madpilot> AlbanianLord: sorry, http://www.linuxprinting.org/
[06:30] <AlbanianLord> i havent yet
[06:30] <AlbanianLord> ill do soo now
[06:30] <Coag> why cant it find it though?
[06:31] <fortysixand2> I say download kismet on another box, copy it over, and install
[06:31] <Coag> cant copy it over if it is not connected
[06:31] <fortysixand2> floppy, USB flash, whatever
[06:31] <elmagozizou> printer problem!!! help
[06:31] <fortysixand2> wtf kind of box is it?
[06:31] <Coag> no floppy drives left in the hosue cept on my machine
[06:31] <Coag> dont own a flash drive
[06:31] <fortysixand2> no 10/100 Ethernet either
[06:32] <fortysixand2> dang
[06:32] <qt2> tomchuk, err, dunno about either of those questions. i've got synaptic, and universe/multiverse enabled... installed it from there.
[06:32] <Cooner750> brb Testing UBCD
[06:32] <qt2> spasmodo, how would i check?
[06:32] <tomchuk> qt2,  no backports or anything?
[06:32] <tomchuk> qt2,  does wget http://google.com work from the console?
[06:33] <ksmurf> hello all I'm having one heck up a time getting it up.... My wifes' DWL 520 wireless card won't connect on install
[06:33] <qt2> tomchuk, yes, other browsers work fine as well, just not firefox?
[06:34] <tomchuk> qt2,  weird, rename ~/.mozilla to ~/.mozilla.bak
[06:34] <IcemanV9> more wireless problem :)
[06:34] <fortysixand2> lol
[06:34] <qt2> tomchuk, and the only backports that are done on firefox are the ones that ubuntu devs have done ;)
[06:34] <ksmurf> lol Ice
[06:34] <qt2> alrighty.
[06:34] <goldfish> Coag: tried iwconfig wlan0 essid any ?
[06:34] <fortysixand2> ksmurf:  can you find your access point?
[06:34] <Coag> that is what it stays as
[06:34] <tomchuk> qt2,  do you mean that you are using the ubuntu backports repository in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:34] <Coag> i do iwconfig wlan0
[06:34] <Coag> and the essid is off/any
[06:35] <goldfish> hmmmm..
[06:35] <qt2> tomchuk, err... no. <.<;
[06:35] <tomchuk> k
[06:35] <IcemanV9> ksmurf: you'll need madwifi driver
[06:35] <qt2> nevermind, misread your question ^.6;
[06:35] <spasmodo> qt2 - are you using a wireless connection - if not, then no
[06:35] <qt2> spasmodo, nope.
[06:35] <spasmodo> cool
[06:35] <qt2> tomchuk, hm, should i try starting it now?
[06:35] <tomchuk> qt2,  after renaming your .mozilla direcotry - yes
[06:36] <IcemanV9> ksmurf: i have DWL-650 wireless card .. it worked beautiful
[06:36] <ksmurf> Forty ... I do not know untill this install goes through.  I turned off wep and reset router.   I'm doing a fresh install and it didn't autoconfig... I'll get the madwifi driver and be back in a min (thanks Ice and forty)
[06:37] <fortysixand2> np, let us know how it goes
[06:37] <qt2> tomchuk, hm... starts fine :o
[06:37] <qt2> ...why didnt i try that? i knew about the directory... :P
[06:37] <tomchuk> qt2,  did you install any extensions or themes?
[06:37] <qt2> tomchuk, a few, but they all worked before...
[06:38] <tomchuk> qt2,  hmmm, well, copy over your bookmarks.html and cookies.txt to your new .mozilla dir
[06:39] <tomchuk> qt2,  and try reinstalling themes and extensions one-by-one and make sure that none of them are screwing anything up
[06:39] <IcemanV9> blah - forget the firefox .. fire up epiphany
[06:39] <Coag> haha
[06:39] <AlbanianLord> whats so great about opera anyway
[06:39] <AlbanianLord> ?
[06:40] <tomchuk> IcemanV9,  meh, epiphany, galeon is *the* browser
[06:40] <IcemanV9> firefox shut down for no reasons lately .. so i started using epiphany
[06:40] <Coag> hmmm
[06:40] <AlbanianLord> iceman are you using 1.0.5
[06:40] <Coag> anyone else have any ideas?
[06:40] <AlbanianLord> ?
[06:41] <IcemanV9> nope, AlbanianLord
[06:41] <AlbanianLord> i had trouble with 1.02
[06:41] <IcemanV9> just a regular Ubuntu FireFox pkg
[06:41] <AlbanianLord> went to 1.0.4
[06:41] <AlbanianLord> get 1.05
[06:41] <AlbanianLord> see if it  works
[06:41] <fortysixand2> any idea what gam_server is?
[06:42] <tomchuk> fortysixand2,  gamin server i believe
[06:42] <ibthomson> hey guys, would anyone be able to help me set up my radeon x700 pro PCI-e card to work with x? I just installed ubuntu fresh and can't get to gnome
[06:42] <AlbanianLord> it isnt in apt-grt
[06:42] <tomchuk> fortysixand2,  replacement for fam
[06:42] <fortysixand2> hmmm
[06:42] <qt2> AlbanianLord, 1.0.5 is out? <.<;
[06:42] <AlbanianLord> yessir
[06:42] <IcemanV9> AlbanianLord: thought about it .. prolly will install over the weekend
[06:42] <tomchuk> fortysixand2,  allows gnome to know when menus and config files are updated
[06:43] <fortysixand2> cool, googling it now!
[06:43] <fortysixand2> thx!
[06:43] <AlbanianLord> but you dont have it in the repos yet
[06:43] <qt2> AlbanianLord, heh, dont suppose it's in the repo's yet?
[06:43] <fortysixand2> not yet
[06:43] <qt2> ah, thought as much.
[06:43] <qt2> i prefer to not install things manually. ;)
[06:43] <Coag> i just dont know what else to do :(
[06:43] <spasmodo> g'night all
[06:44] <AlbanianLord> well if i can figure how to make it a deb ill do it
[06:44] <IcemanV9> Coag: take a break from it 'til the next day :)
[06:44] <qt2> my last try at installing something manually failed horribly.
[06:44] <Coag> why?
[06:45] <Coag> meanwhiel in the monring it wont work either :(
[06:45] <Cooner750> ok back
[06:45] <AlbanianLord> i know its a pain
[06:45] <AlbanianLord> but i prefer it
[06:45] <IcemanV9> Coag: just to clear your head and start again on the wireless thing
[06:45] <AlbanianLord> i learn more that way
[06:45] <Cooner750> is there a function in Ubuntu like "configsave"?
[06:45] <goldfish> Coag: tried turning off the router and turning it back on?
[06:45] <AlbanianLord> but for whatever reason gtk doesnt compile for me
[06:46] <AlbanianLord> DAMN DEPENDENCIES
[06:46] <IcemanV9> Coag: you got the card working, but it is not seeing any router
[06:46] <fortysixand2> what is configsave?
[06:46] <Coag> yes
[06:46] <goldfish> k
[06:46] <Coag> and the router isseeable
[06:46] <goldfish> it is?
[06:46] <coreyo> anyone have problems with the sk98lin drivers in the 2.6.10-5 kernel image?
[06:46] <qt2> AlbanianLord, heh, dont suppose you've tried installing stepmania?
[06:46] <Coag> i am on router on this machine
[06:46] <AlbanianLord> whazzat
[06:46] <AlbanianLord> ?
[06:46] <Coag> DDR
[06:46] <Coag> lol
[06:47] <Cooner750> well; In Slax (based on Slackware) it's syntax is like this "configsave /dev/sda1/slaxconf.mo" and it saves the whole config, where your at, desktop settings, etc...
[06:47] <AlbanianLord> slax is the s***
[06:47] <Coag> haha
[06:47] <Cooner750> it's like shuttdown down windows and turning it back on and everything is there where it was
[06:47] <AlbanianLord> hibernation
[06:47] <AlbanianLord> ?
[06:47] <Cooner750> well; config saver
[06:47] <Coag> i actually did take  a break
[06:48] <qt2> AlbanianLord, a PC DDR clone. ;)
[06:48] <IcemanV9> Coag: did you read this thread? > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38972
[06:48] <Cooner750> it remebers everything that would get lost in RAM
[06:48] <fortysixand2> brb
[06:48] <Coag> i just dont know what to start nesxt
[06:48] <AlbanianLord> ughhhh
[06:48] <AlbanianLord> i can only imagine
[06:48] <Cooner750> brb. biting bullet and running LiveCD
[06:49] <IcemanV9> Coag: check out jaykay's instruction of how to get it running
[06:49] <AlbanianLord> dependencies suck
[06:49] <AlbanianLord> you need gtk to compile firefox
[06:49] <tomchuk> AlbanianLord,  that's why apt-get build-dep is do great :)
[06:50] <AlbanianLord> really?
[06:50] <AlbanianLord> hows that work
[06:50] <glick> hmm apparently xmms is missing a necessary library in order for it to work
[06:50] <tomchuk> AlbanianLord,  just apt-get build-dep mozilla-firefox and it will install all the build-time deps for firefox
[06:50] <Sap> I've just installed ubuntu. At the end of the installation it made me take the CD out and reboot. It said more questions would be asked. Text came up on screen, I figured it was doing it's thing... and then, nothing. I don't understand the code, but it seems to indicate an error. Then it says, "<6>note: mount(187) exited with preempt_count 1." Now I can't turn my laptop off...
[06:50] <qt2> http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/upgrade/?application=%7bec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384%7d <- they really need to do something about this... :o
[06:50] <Sap> So it's stuck there but I can't reboot or anything.
[06:50] <AlbanianLord> tomchuk where the hell you been man
[06:50] <Sap> Is there some sort of command to kill it?
[06:50] <AlbanianLord> ?!
[06:51] <AlbanianLord> :-D
[06:51] <elmagozizou> Someboy  can tell me wich is the best partitioning program in linux?
[06:51] <tomchuk> AlbanianLord,  hehe, reading apt manpages ;)
[06:51] <glick> why does xmms freeze when i try to get it to play an mp3?
[06:51] <AlbanianLord> man ive been so overwhelmed with the slackware method of things
[06:51] <TokenBad> ok what is going on here
[06:51] <goldfish> !Restricted
[06:51] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:51] <TokenBad> I can't seem to get flash installed
[06:51] <goldfish> glick: ^^
[06:52] <TokenBad> or something is messed up
[06:52] <TokenBad> cause it says installed
[06:52] <TokenBad> but can't load flash on pages
[06:52] <goldfish> elmagozizou: fdisk, cfdisk,  gparted
[06:52] <tomchuk> AlbanianLord,  there are a ton of how-tos for building debian packages online, look for debhelper, checkinstall, etc
[06:52] <fortysixand2> qtparted
[06:52] <glick> goldfish, what?
[06:52] <goldfish> glick: the link.
[06:52] <glick> goldfish, i have the library installed now
[06:53] <goldfish> k
[06:53] <AlbanianLord> ill go for it
[06:53] <glick> its still not playing the song
[06:53] <glick> though
[06:53] <AlbanianLord> by the way
[06:53] <nalioth> TokenBad: gplflash.sourceforge.net
[06:53] <fortysixand2> TokenBad:  did you close and reopen the browser?
[06:53] <AlbanianLord> slackware was my first distro
[06:53] <TokenBad> yes I did
[06:53] <TokenBad> many times
[06:53] <TokenBad> even rebooted like 5 or 6 times
[06:53] <fortysixand2> uninstall the plugin and reinstall?
[06:53] <goldfish> glick: maybe it needs an mp3 plugin , i cant remember, i use beep-media-player now.
[06:54] <goldfish> Computer__Guru: wb.
[06:54] <Computer__Guru> ty
[06:54] <TokenBad> nalioth, I get connection refused when try to connect to that site
[06:54] <Computer__Guru> ive switched wm's
[06:54] <TokenBad> I did that to fortysixand2
[06:54] <IcemanV9> what about "about:plugins" - is it there?
[06:54] <fortysixand2> hmmmm
[06:54] <goldfish> cant believe u dont like flux :)
[06:54] <dip> how do I clean the mbr using Linux like fdisk /mbr in msdos ?
[06:54] <Coag> sigh
[06:54] <Computer__Guru> goldfish: ive switched from kde to xfce4
[06:54] <goldfish> ah right.
[06:54] <goldfish> xfce is nice.
[06:55] <Coag> i wish *nix supported my card without ndiswrapper
[06:55] <Computer__Guru> i didnt like flux, no
[06:55] <nalioth> TokenBad: google "gplflash"
[06:55] <TokenBad> where see the about plugins at?
[06:55] <fortysixand2> I love xfce4 too
[06:55] <fortysixand2> best combo of speed & features
[06:55] <Coag> i love xfce
[06:55] <Coag> im installing it assoon as i get my box on the internet
[06:55] <glick> is alsa not installed by default?
[06:55] <fortysixand2> not completely stripped, but not bloated
[06:55] <coreyo> here here, I thought I was the only one
[06:56] <tomchuk> xfce + rox pinboard rules
[06:56] <goldfish> meh
[06:56] <Razor-X> what's a great server distro just for servers?
[06:56] <AlbanianLord> wtf is xfce
[06:56] <AlbanianLord> ?
[06:56] <IcemanV9> TokenBad: type it in web address - you see list of plugins
[06:56] <Razor-X> I can set it up while my friend is here
[06:56] <goldfish> Razor-X: debian.
[06:56] <fortysixand2> no way man.  I've been using it for a year, and don't forsee any changes
[06:56] <Coag> Razor-X gentoo
[06:56] <Razor-X> but, when he leaves ,I don't want him stuck on a BSD box ;)
[06:56] <Frank_dot> fortysixand2: with a gig of RAM, kde isn't bloated... maybe I'm bragging here
[06:56] <ed1t> AlbanianLord, its an desktop system like gnome or KDE
[06:56] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk: is there any way to get different backgrounds for my different desktops? like a different jpg or png for each desktop
[06:56] <Razor-X> goldfish: that's a lot of CDs ;)
[06:56] <AlbanianLord> really?
[06:56] <AlbanianLord> i installed it
[06:56] <Coag> Razor-X gentoo
[06:56] <TokenBad> no its not listed
[06:56] <AlbanianLord> amd its just a little bar
[06:56] <Coag> or debian netinstall
[06:56] <fortysixand2> Frank_dot:  not really.  My new lappy has 2GB.  This one only has 320MB
[06:57] <goldfish> Razor-X: freebsd :)
[06:57] <TokenBad> but I did the apt-get install stuff
[06:57] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  not that I know of, xfdesktop is pretty simple
[06:57] <TokenBad> that was on ubuntu site
[06:57] <ed1t> AlbanianLord, i think u installed fluxbox then
[06:57] <fortysixand2> I can't wait until Wednesday!  :D
[06:57] <AlbanianLord> nah
[06:57] <AlbanianLord> i like flux
[06:57] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk: i can live with it
[06:57] <goldfish> flux rocks.
[06:57] <Coag> i dont think flux has enough
[06:57] <coreyo> is there a way to get the restricted modules (wihtout doing them all by hand) if you build a custom kernel package from the source?
[06:57] <IcemanV9> FreeBSD is a great server OS; www.freebsd.org
[06:58] <AlbanianLord> uceman he wants simple
[06:58] <Coag> gentoo
[06:58] <tomchuk> flux has some neat features - I love tabbed windows
[06:58] <goldfish> Computer__Guru: yeah its nice.
[06:58] <fortysixand2> the new enlightenment looks nice too
[06:58] <ed1t> !info java-package
[06:58] <ubotu> java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section multiverse/misc, is optional. Version: 0.23 (hoary), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 264 kB
[06:58] <Coag> extensive installguide
[06:58] <Computer__Guru> flux was missing basic things
[06:58] <Computer__Guru> like a run command option
[06:58] <goldfish> fbrun ?
[06:58] <Computer__Guru> and it was slower than xfce ont his box
[06:58] <coreyo> fortysixand2: there's anew enlightenment?!  I didn't think they'd touched that in 4 years
[06:58] <fortysixand2> DR17 is in dev
[06:58] <fortysixand2> it looks SWEET
[06:59] <IcemanV9> AlbanianLord: it is simple .. ONE cdrom .. very easy to install :P
[06:59] <Computer__Guru> i want xfce icon sets :D
[06:59] <fortysixand2> I ran it on my slackware 10.1 laptop.  It's got a ways to go, but it looks promising
[06:59] <AlbanianLord> lol
[06:59] <AlbanianLord> give him slackware
[06:59] <coreyo> fortysixand2: enlightenment is still better in most ways than  most of today's WM's... but it just died for no good reason....
[06:59] <Computer__Guru> oh wow
[06:59] <Computer__Guru> xffm is hideous
[07:00] <Xyc0> Anyone else getting this Ignored Packages Error with apt-get?
[07:00] <fortysixand2> I did not dig enlightenment 16 much
[07:00] <fortysixand2> dunno why, just didn't
[07:00] <AlbanianLord> 16 wasnt that great
[07:00] <AlbanianLord> ....
[07:00] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  install rox-filer
[07:00] <IcemanV9> E17 is better than E16
[07:00] <Computer__Guru> will do
[07:00] <goldfish> Xyc0: us mirrors?
[07:00] <Cooner750> talking on Ubuntu LiveCD now
[07:00] <qt2> E19 is better than E17. ;)
[07:01] <AlbanianLord> e19?
[07:01] <fortysixand2> 17 will rock
[07:01] <Coag> GAHHH
[07:01] <raven3x7|away> E17 is still under development
[07:01] <AlbanianLord> where can I obtain such n item
[07:01] <Coag> cant... fix.... this
[07:01] <Xyc0> goldfish: I cant install any backports or extras anymore
[07:01] <Computer__Guru> apparently rox-filer is what xfce uses
[07:01] <Xyc0> goldfish: yes, us mirrors
[07:01] <Computer__Guru> i dont think i care much for it..w hat are the alternatives?
[07:01] <goldfish> Xyc0: us mirrors are broken.
[07:01] <Cooner750> I still dont understand why Ubuntu comes with the mulitmedia codecs not installed. What a annoyance
[07:02] <IcemanV9> E17 won't come out 'til they're tired of testing it ;)
[07:02] <Xyc0> goldfish: so its not just me?
[07:02] <AlbanianLord> seems like microsoft
[07:02] <AlbanianLord> eek
[07:02] <qt2> AlbanianLord, i was making a joke. ;)
[07:02] <fortysixand2> Iceman:  hopefully soon!
[07:02] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  spend a litte time to get it customeized and learn its features, change the ugly icon theme, etc
[07:02] <Frank_dot> Cooner750: they're usually legally dubious
[07:02] <AlbanianLord> lol
[07:02] <goldfish> Xyc0: nope, change mirrors
[07:02] <AlbanianLord> i was playing along
[07:02] <Cooner750> how come every other Distro I've used was able to play mp3s and other audio fine?
[07:02] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  it takes some work but its nice once you;ve got it set up
[07:02] <Xyc0> goldfish: reccomend a good resorce to look for better mirrors?
[07:03] <Coag> this really blow, this is the only distro i have not been able to get my wifi working
[07:03] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk: what i'd like to do is stop it's very annoying constant resizing feature
[07:03] <AlbanianLord> folks g;night
[07:03] <roybotnik> man
[07:03] <goldfish> Xyc0: just remove the us in your mirrors in sources.list
[07:03] <roybotnik> i am roybotnik's fiance
[07:03] <Xyc0> Coag: did you try ndiswrapper?
[07:03] <raven3x7> Cooner750 obviously you never tried fedora
[07:03] <fortysixand2> Albanian was running as root?!?!?
[07:03] <roybotnik> and he just took my laptop and installed ubuntu
[07:03] <Coag> that is what i am using
[07:03] <goldfish> he might have been
[07:03] <roybotnik> granted it is better than windows, i just wish he would have said something
[07:03] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  right-click in the window, options, filer windows, check never automatically resize
[07:03] <qt2> http://sitedocs.sourceforge.net/status/support_sitestatus.html <- lol, even the sourceforge site status page is down. :P
[07:03] <Cooner750> no. However it just bugs me.
[07:04] <Computer__Guru> tyvm, that right click int he window thing is what i was missing :)
[07:04] <roybotnik> and also made it so that i could still talk on my usual irc windows
[07:04] <Coag> Xyc0 i am using ndiswrapper
[07:04] <Cooner750> I wish it was easy to install the codecs; but um.. I've tried it multiple times with no success, or freezing.....
[07:04] <Coag> i have to (WMP54G)
[07:04] <roybotnik> so, what is going on here?
[07:04] <raven3x7> Cooner750 you should complain to frauenhofer actually
[07:04] <fortysixand2> Coag is having wireless problems (still)  :(
[07:04] <Xyc0> Coag: and it wont work, what is the error you get?
[07:04] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  one of the best features is you can just start typing a path and things like tab completion work
[07:05] <arthurdent2> coag: this helped me a lot http://www.gidforums.com/t-4390.html
[07:05] <Coag> Xyc0 it doesnt see my router
[07:05] <raven3x7> Cooner thats weird
[07:05] <Computer__Guru> right on
[07:05] <Computer__Guru> yeah im playing in the options now
[07:05] <fortysixand2> elightenment's site is down  :(
[07:05] <roybotnik> well, i guess i will go now
[07:05] <fortysixand2> later!
[07:05] <roybotnik> it is quite late here
[07:05] <roybotnik> havea good one guys :)
[07:05] <Computer__Guru> pretty straightforward
[07:06] <raven3x7> need to go to work
[07:07] <Xyc0> Coag: does ndiswrapper -l  tell you if hardware is present?
[07:07] <Coag> yes
[07:08] <Xyc0> Coag: and iwconfig give what output?
[07:08] <Coag> tells me  ESSID: off/any
[07:08] <Coag> and i do iwconfig wlan0 ESSID my_network
[07:08] <Coag> and nothing changes
[07:09] <Coag> i do iwlist wlan0 scan
[07:09] <Coag> and not AP's are found
[07:09] <Computer__Guru> i need some icon sets for this thing :)
[07:09] <IcemanV9> Computer__Guru: xfce-look.org
[07:09] <Xyc0> Coag: what card are you using?
[07:09] <Coag> Linksys wireless g WMP54G
[07:10] <Xyc0> what router?
[07:10] <Coag> WRT54G
[07:10] <Xyc0> Everything works on windows?
[07:10] <Coag> yeah
[07:10] <Coag> and onother distos
[07:10] <Coag> distros
[07:10] <Xyc0> Coag: did you change the encryption to WEP for now?
[07:11] <Xyc0> tho that shouldnt matter
[07:11] <Coag> no
[07:11] <Coag> WEPis off
[07:11] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  any icons you install for xfce should also work for rox
[07:11] <Xyc0> you have no encryption?
[07:11] <Xyc0> or WPA?
[07:11] <Coag> no encryption
[07:12] <tomchuk> Coag,  try ifconfig wlan0 up; iwconfig wlan0 essid <essid> ; dhclient wlan0
[07:13] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk, how do i make that nifty goto: line stay there forever?
[07:14] <Xyc0> Anyone recommend a good package mirror for the West Coast?
[07:14] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  not sure you can...
[07:14] <glick> heh my drive borked on my again :)
[07:14] <Computer__Guru> there a kb shortcut for it?
[07:14] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  just type a forward slash
[07:14] <PlutoPrime> gnomebaker 0.4 came out and I'm trying to compile from source .. tried to apt-get "libgnomeui-dev" and I get md5sum mismatch errors... what gives?? the packages in the repositories are foobar?
[07:15] <Computer__Guru> thats about as much of a shortcut as you can get, heh
[07:15] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk: i think i like this xfce thing a lot
[07:15] <Coag> tomchuk
[07:15] <Coag> says no dhcpoffer recieved
[07:15] <qt2> tomchuk, take a guess as to what just happened...?
[07:16] <tomchuk> Coag,  do you have wireless mac filter installed on the wrt54g?
[07:16] <tomchuk> qt2,  firefox crashed?
[07:16] <kenosis> Suddenly XMMS crashes frequently
[07:17] <goldfish> get beep-media-player
[07:17] <kenosis> beep eh?
[07:17] <goldfish> yeah.
[07:17] <Coag> tomchuk i am not going tomake any changes to my router, works for everyone else on every other os and distro than this
[07:17] <tomchuk> Coag,  ok
[07:17] <Cooner750> anyone tried VLC in Ubuntu?
[07:17] <goldfish> yes. it rocks.
[07:18] <fortysixand2> VLC?
[07:18] <goldfish> video lan player
[07:18] <goldfish> media player
[07:18] <goldfish> check it out
[07:18] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk: can a folder be embedded into the panel as it can in kde?
[07:18] <Xyc0> only good for Videos tho
[07:18] <Xyc0> and mozilla plugin
[07:18] <fortysixand2> ah
[07:18] <fortysixand2> better than mplayer?
[07:18] <kenosis> OK I've got beep, but not UI?
[07:18] <Coag> should i go for gentoo again though?
[07:18] <Xyc0> yea
[07:18] <Coag> then
[07:18] <Coag> *
[07:18] <kenosis> Not in the menu anyway
[07:18] <tomchuk> Coag,  do you have anything after  "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces?
[07:18] <Computer__Guru> brb
[07:18] <goldfish> fortysixand2: i prefer it.
[07:18] <ny3ranger`> whats wrong with the hoary documentation page?
[07:19] <goldfish> Coag: if u want :)
[07:19] <kenosis> lol - I JUST got "beep".
[07:19] <fortysixand2> I like gentoo on faster machines, but this 1 Ghz celeron with 320MB RAM couldn't hack it
[07:19] <johnnybezak> hey guys
[07:19] <fortysixand2> hi
[07:19] <Coag> tomchuk
[07:20] <Coag> iface command not found
[07:20] <goldfish> kenosis: hah
[07:20] <goldfish> apt-cache search mencal
[07:20] <goldfish> johnnybezak: hi.
[07:20] <PlutoPrime> Coag, that's not a command, open /etc/network/interfaces with a text editor
[07:20] <fortysixand2> Coag:  I think tomchuk wanted you to "cat /etc/network/interfaces"
[07:21] <kenosis> Anyone here using "irc" (as in the terminal client)?
[07:21] <tomchuk> Coag,  paste the contents of /etc/network/interfaces to  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:21] <Coag> haha
[07:21] <Coag> ic ant
[07:21] <Coag> no internet access
[07:21] <goldfish> Coag: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper?highlight=%28ndiswrapper%29 <- that shows you how to set up that file.
[07:21] <goldfish> ah
[07:21] <Razor-X> I converted yet another person to emacs ;)
[07:21] <goldfish> :/
[07:21] <IcemanV9> tomchuk: Coag's card is up running, but does not see the router - that is the problem
[07:21] <goldfish> Razor-X: Damn you.
[07:21] <PlutoPrime> I have no internet access either :)
[07:21] <emX> kenosis: yeah
[07:21] <johnnybezak> kenosis: irssi?
[07:21] <emX> kenosis: irc -> irssi
[07:21] <PlutoPrime> I'm talking to you through my l337 brain waves
[07:21] <Razor-X> goldfish: your grasp slips, MUAHAHAHAHA ;)
[07:21] <kenosis> ah
[07:21] <goldfish> irssi rocks.
[07:21] <johnnybezak> i agree
[07:21] <emX> goldfish: :-)
[07:22] <johnnybezak> just not on mac os x's terminal :P
[07:22] <fortysixand2> yeah, let's debate vi versus emacs
[07:22] <fortysixand2> :p
[07:22] <tomchuk> Coag,  you should have the line "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces, but is there anything after that line like pre-up statements or wireless stuff?
[07:22] <kenosis> Well...wondering how to switch between multiple open channels, or if I have multiple open channels, and also how to back out of a channel into the main windw without exiting the whole program (ie /exit)
[07:22] <emX> CTRL-W
[07:22] <kenosis> Thanks
[07:22] <emX> kenosis: or /window show NUMBER
[07:23] <goldfish> /win !
[07:23] <goldfish> less typing :)
[07:23] <emX> :-)
[07:23] <goldfish>  /win 3
[07:23] <goldfish> actually.
[07:23] <johnnybezak> or ctrl-windownumber
[07:23] <IcemanV9> !windows
[07:23] <ubotu> rumour has it, windows is Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[07:24] <johnnybezak> what the hell that is illegible
[07:24] <goldfish> alt + window-number
[07:24] <johnnybezak> who wrote that
[07:24] <mouse_> hi all
[07:24] <emX> re: irssi, what is the nickcolor script called? nickcolor.pl?
[07:24] <goldfish> yes.
[07:24] <mouse_> anyone noes the fstab for ubuntu?
[07:24] <goldfish> !fstab
[07:24] <ubotu> goldfish: I haven't a clue
[07:24] <goldfish> emX: try dau.pl :)
[07:25] <emX> what's dau.pl?
[07:25] <concept10> mouse_, what was that?
[07:25] <qt2> tomchuk, firefox locled my computer.
[07:25] <goldfish> emX: "How to type like a moron"
[07:25] <emX> ??
[07:25] <mouse_> concept10, it's the file that mounts all the directories at boot time
[07:25] <qt2> tomchuk, the catch is, i didnt start installing any themes or extentions...
[07:25] <concept10> I know what it is
[07:25] <qt2> *locked
[07:25] <kenosis> OK - last question for the night: The command for su (not sudo) in Ubuntu? (sudo -H or something...)
[07:25] <mouse_> concept10, oh.. i can't seem to find it
[07:26] <tomchuk> qt2,  weird, I haven't got a clue then
[07:26] <emX> kenosis: sudo -s
[07:26] <concept10> /etc/fstab
[07:26] <kenosis> Thank you
[07:26] <emX> :-)
[07:26] <concept10> locate fstab
[07:26] <kenosis> More for the helpful attitude than even the answers - RARE on IRC
[07:26] <mouse_> ah ok
[07:27] <emX> goldfish: sorry, i didn't get what dau.pl was for...
[07:27] <mouse_> concept10, oh thanks! wish i knew the locate command before
[07:27] <emX> googling...
[07:27] <johnnybezak> hmmm time to get some more soup i think
[07:28] <ksmurf> YAHOO!!!! I got it up....
[07:28] <tomchuk> johnnybezak,  if by soup you mean tequila, I agree
[07:28] <ksmurf> mmmm tequila
[07:28] <johnnybezak> tomchuk: haha
[07:28] <goldfish> emX: emmm its for messing.
[07:29] <johnnybezak> anyone know where the roadmap to breezy is?
[07:29] <emX> gotcha -- reading the source...
[07:29] <tomchuk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBadger
[07:31] <Cooner750> I get this when using sudo apt-get install vlc - E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[07:31] <emX> Cooner750: do your errors also include something about MD5sums?
[07:32] <Cooner750> nope
[07:32] <ksmurf> anyone have any exper. with wpa on wireless?
[07:32] <emX> Cooner750: oh.
[07:33] <bigfoot1> hello all, you know, in your panel, the programs have an icon. For example Xchat has an orange "X", while Gnome Terminal has a black computer monitor. WHere is the icon file (a blue phone handset) for Kiax? I
[07:33] <elmagozizou> does any one use gparted here?
[07:33] <ksmurf> I do
[07:33] <Cooner750> I do. Until I got a error while resizing
[07:33] <ksmurf> elma what do u need
[07:34] <elmagozizou> I cant modify my particions...all apear whith a lock
[07:34] <ksmurf> sudo gparted
[07:34] <elmagozizou> iven if y execute gparted as root
[07:34] <tomchuk> elmagozizou,  just don't run it on mounted partitions
[07:34] <Cooner750> try unmounting the drive first
[07:34] <glick> ubuntu live cd is selling a false bill of goods
[07:35] <ksmurf> how so glick?
[07:35] <glick> on the live CD my external fireweire drive worked perfectly
[07:35] <glick> i tested it
[07:35] <bigfoot1> anybody use kiax here?
[07:35] <elmagozizou> yeah but how can I umont the drive if Im working on it
[07:35] <glick> now it hangs whenever i write large files from it
[07:35] <glick> to the local drive
[07:35] <glick> i had the same problem before
[07:35] <ksmurf> what format is it
[07:35] <glick> which is why i went back to debian
[07:35] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk: how do i set a custom size for terminal (130x42) and have it save for when i use terminal again?
[07:35] <glick> reiser
[07:35] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  which terminal?
[07:36] <foxiness> elmagozizou, first close anything like pdf
[07:36] <glick> i get Input/output error on the drive
[07:36] <ksmurf> how much data?
[07:36] <Computer__Guru> the one that comes with xfce
[07:36] <elmagozizou> how is that?
[07:36] <elmagozizou> like pdf?
[07:36] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  I believe it's a wrapper for whatever terminal you have installed - probably xterm
[07:36] <glick> ksmurf, a coupla gigs
[07:37] <foxiness> elmagozizou, if you open it from this drive next use "add-on-panel" Disk mounter
[07:37] <glick> but i tested it with liveCD
[07:37] <Computer__Guru> haha, happen to know the args for xterm by any chance?
[07:37] <glick> i wrote and read gigs of data to and from it
[07:37] <foxiness> elmagozizou, to umount it from GUI
[07:37] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  from the command line I think the --geometry= option should do it
[07:37] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  don't have xterm installed though
[07:38] <emX> tomchuk: ?? no X?
[07:38] <Computer__Guru> that did it
[07:38] <tomchuk> emX,  no xterm
[07:38] <tomchuk> emX,  it's a seperate package, and not installed by default on Debian
[07:38] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk: it's xfterm4 and --geometry didnt work.. ill look at it
[07:39] <nos> Having a problem connecting a Nokia Phone via USB, can anone help me out please?
[07:39] <elmagozizou> #5 foxiness, but this partition that im working on is the one that i want to rezise
[07:39] <elmagozizou> :S
[07:39] <foxiness> elmagozizou, i think you can not do that :)
[07:39] <emX> tomchuk: i though it was part of x-window-system-core...
[07:39] <concept10> anyone know of some playlist manager for XMMS or BMP sortof like Rhythm Box?
[07:39] <emX> i wish dpkg globbed...
[07:40] <elmagozizou> sure?
[07:40] <foxiness> elmagozizou, use something like live-cd
[07:40] <elmagozizou> mmm...ok...
[07:40] <tomchuk> emX,  not on the new xorg packages in Sid
[07:40] <emX> tomchuk: hmm.
[07:40] <tomchuk> emX,  er, rather I think the dep is a virtual for x-terminal-emulator
[07:41] <ksmurf> anyone have any exper. with wpa on wireless?
[07:41] <tomchuk> emX,  I already had aterm installed
[07:41] <emX> tomchuk: maybe the switch to xorg changed it. my memory's faulty, i guess.
[07:41] <emX> tomchuk: i'm quite the fan of aterm myself.
[07:41] <tomchuk> emX,  yeah can't get enough of it with a tweaked .Xdefaults and proggy fonts
[07:42] <emX> tomchuk: which fonts are you using? i'm not totally happy with mine
[07:42] <tomchuk> emX,  proggy clean slashed-zero bold punctuation
[07:42] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk: it's saying that --geometry=80x42 should work but it's not working.. it's just ignoring the --geometry arg, and not giving me any output on stdout
[07:42] <qt2> tomchuk, i was wrong... backports ARE in my sources.list
[07:43] <nos> Having a problem connecting a Nokia Phone via USB, can anone help me out please?
[07:43] <glick> does anyone know why i get input/output errors when i transfer from external firewire to local disk? it seems whenever the local disk has to write large chunks of data and momentarily suspend data transfer from the external disk, after that it hangs
[07:43] <glick> this was my same problem months ago
[07:43] <tomchuk> emX,  http://www.proggyfonts.com/
[07:43] <mink> is it possible to mount a .bin like one can mount an ISO ?
[07:43] <qt2> tomchuk, bad thing?
[07:43] <Computer__Guru> glick: firewire driver buffer problem, sounds like
[07:43] <glick> which is why i switched back to debian
[07:43] <emX> tomchuk: tx...
[07:43] <glick> Computer__Guru, debian doesnt have these problems
[07:43] <Computer__Guru> thats the easy way out
[07:43] <emX> glick: debian's great too.
[07:43] <Computer__Guru> no, debian has a whole host of its very own problems
[07:44] <tomchuk> qt2,  try commenting out the backports repo from sources.list, do an apt-get update; apt-get remove mozilla-firefox; apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[07:44] <glick> i guess it will never be fixed this problem
[07:44] <glick> cause i had this months and months ago
[07:44] <evillight> Anyone know what causes the pivot_root/ dev/console: no such device error after compiling/installing a new 2.6.10 kernel?
[07:44] <glick> at least not on ubntu
[07:44] <emX> tomchuk: pardon the (rather) silly question, but i don't use X all that much. how'd you install your fonts?
[07:44] <mink> is it possible to mount a .bin like one can mount an ISO ?
[07:44] <cafuego> glick: Different kernel? Might one have a broken driver?
[07:44] <glick> it worked on the liveCD
[07:45] <glick> so i assumed it would work on the installled version
[07:45] <cafuego> mink: No. You should convert it to .iso first
[07:45] <tomchuk> emX,  copy them to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc for the pcf fonts
[07:45] <cafuego> !find bchunk
[07:45] <ubotu> bchunk: (CD image format conversion from bin/cue to iso/cdr), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.2.0-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 68 kB
[07:45] <emX> tomchuk: tx.
[07:45] <mink> thx
[07:45] <tomchuk> emX,  the ttf fonts from that site are hideous
[07:46] <cafuego> tomchuk: Don't PCF fonts work in ~/.fonts ?
[07:46] <spo0nman> is there a document to make DRI work?
[07:46] <tomchuk> cafuego,  dunno, never tried
[07:46] <spo0nman> is dri packaged?
[07:46] <cafuego> spo0nman: Dri is a set of kernel and X driver features. Not  apackage.
[07:46] <tomchuk> spo0nman,  http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Documentation
[07:47] <emX> cafuego: as pcf.tgz or extracted?
[07:47] <mink> cafuego - guess if I have the .bin but not the .cue i'm SOL ?
[07:47] <cafuego> emX: extracted I expect
[07:47] <cafuego> mink: You can create the .cue with $EDITOR
[07:47] <evillight> Anyone know what causes the pivot_root/ dev/console: no such device error after compiling/installing a new 2.6.10 kernel?
[07:47] <liable> Apina: look in /tmp too
[07:47] <spo0nman> cafuego: i need to recompile or i can load it as a module?
[07:47] <mink> $EDITOR :?
[07:47] <spo0nman> tomchuk: thanks.
[07:48] <tomchuk> np
[07:48] <max__> Could anyone here help me on how to create an FAT32 partition on a 250gig harddrive?
[07:48] <cafuego> spo0nman: You can load it if you have a supported video card. otheriwse you may need additional packages.
[07:48] <elmagozizou> Why does my printer doesnt work?????
[07:48] <rok47> you have to turn it on
[07:48] <foxiness> max__, there are many way
[07:48] <elmagozizou> I have a HP deskjet 840c
[07:48] <elmagozizou> and aparently linux recognize it
[07:48] <max__> Well I've been running into difficulty trying to use fdisk.
[07:49] <elmagozizou> but it doesnt print!
[07:49] <elmagozizou> and any one help me?
[07:49] <max__> Namely it says that the resource is busy (error 16) when I try to write the changes.
[07:49] <tomchuk> max__,  apt-get install dosfstools, and use mkdosfs /dev/hdXn
[07:49] <dr_willis> elmagozizou,  that a printer/scanner combo?
[07:49] <foxiness> max__, try cfdisk than
[07:49] <dell500> has anyone here messed with lm-sensors?
[07:49] <max__> Alright.
[07:49] <tomchuk> max__,  you cannot run fdisk on a drive with mounted partitions
[07:49] <glick> i think i know what the problem is
[07:49] <mink> cafuego - can you go into more detail on what you mean by with $EDITOR ?
[07:50] <evillight> $EDITOR = text editor of choice
[07:50] <glick> hey is anyone using a single partition with reiser?
[07:50] <emX> mink: use your preferred text editor
[07:50] <max__> Right, so I did a umount, still wouldn't work.
[07:50] <elmagozizou> #5 dr_willis , no is just a printer
[07:50] <mink> err
[07:50] <cafuego> mink: echo -e "FILE \"mydisk.iso\" BINARY\n\tTRACK 1 MODE1/2352\n\tINDEX 1 00:00:00\n" > whatever.cue
[07:50] <foxiness> max__, but remember if you fromat something like fat32 for windowsXP for exp. may not work like you exp
[07:50] <elmagozizou> #5 dr_willis , all the documents that i send to print stays in waiting list
[07:50] <mink> ok I try
[07:50] <cafuego> mink: Make sure the cue has the same name as the bin, run bchunk on it, viola.
[07:51] <max__> I thought that FAT32 was compatible with both Linux and Windows in terms of read & write.
[07:51] <mink> i replace mydisk.iso
[07:51] <mink> with the filename
[07:51] <mink> ?
[07:51] <cafuego> mink: if you want to
[07:51] <mink> don't need too?
[07:51] <cafuego> mink: mydisk.iso is the filename bchunk will convert it to
[07:51] <foxiness> max__, sure but better if you create this from tool like partition magic
[07:51] <cafuego> mink: Oh, that will NOT work if it's a dual format disk image
[07:52] <evillight> Anyone know what causes the pivot_root/ dev/console: no such device error after compiling/installing a new 2.6.10 kernel?
[07:52] <mink> its working
[07:52] <mink> when it says <basename>
[07:52] <mink> what does it want?
[07:52] <max__> Alright.  One last quick question, is W95 FAT32 the FAT32 filesystem?
[07:52] <foxiness> max__, you can try do this from linux and see if it will work with you or not
[07:52] <cafuego> mink: ANy alphanumeric string
[07:52] <mink> kk
[07:52] <foxiness> max__, yes
[07:53] <max__> Alright, thank you very much, let me try this right now.
[07:53] <tomchuk> evillight,  sounds like you messed up in your config - did you compile in devfs (you shouldn't have)
[07:53] <Xyc0> As a temporary fix for the broken US mirrors, reccomend you edit the source.list file and remover the us. in the mirror url
[07:53] <foxiness> max__, good luck
[07:53] <Xyc0> It makes life a bit easier
[07:53] <Xyc0> untill fixed
[07:54] <tomchuk> evillight,  and you did compile filesystem drivers for your root  and bootg partition into your kernel?
[07:54] <evillight> tomchuk: yes, I did because it was trying to mount something with it (in the previous kernel compile) it would halt with a kernel panic of devfs unknown fs
[07:54] <evillight> tomchuk: yes, not as modules
[07:55] <tomchuk> evillight,  a little background - hoary or warty, do you have a kernel that works?
[07:55] <evillight> hoary, yes, I am booted into the stock kernel as we speak
[07:55] <cafuego> evillight: Did you set up an initrd image in the bootloader when you really needn't have bothered?
[07:56] <evillight> cafuego: no previously I did not
[07:56] <qt2> ...okay ...maybe it ISN'T just firefox doing it
[07:56] <glick> yeah i think i kow what the problem is :(
[07:56] <qt2> it crashed with firefox not even installed.
[07:56] <cafuego> evillight: Well, without initrd there's no reason for it to call pivot_root
[07:56] <MidNightRaVeN> do any of you guys use dvdrip here?
[07:56] <glick> god damnit!
[07:56] <cafuego> glick: Yes?
[07:56] <tomchuk> evillight,  pata, sata or scsi root?
[07:56] <glick> my drive isnt broken
[07:57] <glick> ubuntu isnt broken
[07:57] <glick> its fuckin FAT
[07:57] <glick> that particular partition was FAT
[07:57] <glick> FAT was fuckin up
[07:57] <glick> ?
[07:57] <MidNightRaVeN> anyone use dvdrip =/ ?
[07:57] <emX> MidNightRaVeN: no, but i use dvdbackup...
[07:57] <dare> hi
[07:57] <glick> i tried transferring a large amount of data with a reiser partition on the same disk and it works no problem
[07:57] <MidNightRaVeN> emX: hmmmm.... work well?
[07:58] <evillight> tomchuk: pata
[07:58] <glick> windows can not read ext3 can it?
[07:58] <emX> MidNightRaVeN: well enough for me; what do you need?
[07:58] <burner> anyone know if there are gnome baker .4 .debs yet?
[07:58] <emX> glick: nak
[07:58] <burner> glick: ext2fs
[07:58] <glick> can windows read any linux filesystems?
[07:58] <dare> i thought not
[07:58] <tomchuk> evillight,   and /boot/grub/menu.lst has the same "root=" for the working and non-working kernels?
[07:58] <glick> Burgundavia, ext2?
[07:58] <cafuego> glick: Not natively, but with free drivers it can read and write ext2.
[07:58] <coreyo> is there an ubuntu kernel package for 2.6.11 that works well?
[07:58] <glick> it can read ext2?
[07:58] <evillight> Yes
[07:58] <evillight> tomchuk: yes
[07:58] <glick> hmm
[07:58] <burner> glick: it can read ext2/3 but only copy the data off to a windows partition to open and manipulate
[07:59] <glick> burner, i need to write to ext2
[07:59] <MidNightRaVeN> emX: dvdrip is giving me a wierd error thing in the preferences and i have no idea what it means... is says "Default data base directory: has whitespace: NOT ok
[07:59] <evillight> tomchuk: previously it would not mount root, even though both options referred to the same /dev
[07:59] <cafuego> glick: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd/
[07:59] <dare> Quick question - to view Xvid movies is there more i need to do other than install an xvid codec?
[07:59] <cafuego> glick: It can write to ext2 just fine with that driver.
[07:59] <kakalto> when will the version of firefox in the repos be updated to 1.0.5?
[08:00] <burner> ooh... i've never seen what cafuego pasted before... i'll have to try
[08:00] <whoiam> someone please help me installing firefox on Kubuntu
[08:00] <emX> MidNightRaVeN: i've played a bit with dvd::rip, but i haven't come across that error. some more context?
[08:00] <thechitowncubs> kakalto: the repos will be updated with the security patches applied to the 1.0.2 version i believe
[08:00] <coreyo> does ubuntu have a frontend similar to packages.debian.org where i can look for packages and their components?
[08:00] <dell500> can anyone here help me with lm-sensors to work with superkaramba/kde-look?
[08:00] <cafuego> burner: it's a service/driver with mount.exe
[08:00] <tomchuk> evillight,  hmm are you using an initrd with the new kernel, do you have a stray initrd line in menu.lst if not
[08:00] <burner> cafuego: question about it... if i have an mp3 on an ext3, can windows play it?  or say... an image, can it read it?  without copying to a fat or ntfs?
[08:00] <emX> coreyo: in the terminal: apt-cache search PACKAGE
[08:00] <evillight> tomchuk: I've searched all over and have been working on this problem since last night, so thanks for the help :)
[08:00] <cafuego> burner: just mount yer partition on a drive letter.
[08:00] <kakalto> thanks thechitowncubs
[08:00] <Hackmo> hey, can someone tell me how to check if my wireless network card is detected in Ubuntu
[08:01] <cafuego> burner: it has no issues with my DivXes and MP3s on ext3 even :-)
[08:01] <evillight> tomchuk: no, the entry for the new kernel did not have an initrd line
[08:01] <dikadika> hello, is there a trick to installing new hardware? i added a dvd+rw drive and it is not recognized in ubuntu
[08:01] <tomchuk> Hackmo,  sudo ifconfig -a should show all your recognized interfaces
[08:01] <burner> bad ass... it'll be nice to put my music and pictures on a ext3 instead of crappy fat or no windows support at all
[08:01] <thechitowncubs> i've got a general question, when i'm in windows, firefox seems a lot more responsive during the switching of tabs, loading of pages, startup... anyone know the answer to this? i've always wondered
[08:01] <burner> thanks cafuego
[08:01] <whyameye_> where do I add configuration settings for alsa that are seen for all users?
[08:01] <tomchuk> evillight,  are they kernel.org sources?
[08:01] <thechitowncubs> why isn't it as fast in linux/ubuntu...
[08:01] <burner> now if only I could convert a reiserfs to ext3 without data loss ;)
[08:01] <MidNightRaVeN> emX: well... basically i'm running dvdrip on my chroot of 32 bit cuz my 64 bit won't install some drivers needed to run it... and i've been trying to figure out how to fix that preference but i dunno how... I just want to rip some dvd's i have and maybe i should just find another alternative?
[08:01] <cafuego> burner: Yes, same with my DVD backups. FAT has a 4GB size limit, which is shit for 4.7GB disk images <heh>
[08:01] <evillight> tomchuk: from the repos's
[08:02] <burner> i thought fat was 2 gig even
[08:02] <tomchuk> evillight,  did you build them the Debian Way(tm)
[08:02] <thechitowncubs> it seems to go unresponsive when it tries to load a long page, such as a slashdot article with a lot of comments
[08:02] <cafuego> burner: fat32 goes to 4 anyway
[08:02] <Hackmo> tomchuk: ifconfig -a shows lo and sit0 but I don't know if any of them are my net card
[08:02] <tomchuk> Hackmo,  no they aren't
[08:02] <evillight> tomchuk: I followed the howto on Ubuntu Forums
[08:02] <tomchuk> Hackmo,  what card?
[08:03] <emX> Hackmo: iwconfig
[08:03] <TokenBad> ok wtf in ubuntu would make it keep making this sound...at random times
[08:03] <TokenBad> like something closed
[08:03] <TokenBad> or connected
[08:03] <TokenBad> or something
[08:03] <evillight> tomchuk: compiled kernels before, no biggy.. but just wanted to see if there was anything special since this is my first attempt with ubuntu, I'm a previous slack and debian user
[08:03] <Hackmo> tomchuk: it's a netgear Wg311T
[08:03] <dare> TokenBad: are you running gaim?
[08:03] <TokenBad> yes
[08:03] <emX> MidNightRaVeN: i use dvdbackup to mirror disks to my hdd, dvdshrink (in wine) to requantize, and growisofs to burn
[08:03] <dare> it has sounds for all status changes
[08:03] <Hackmo> emX: iwconfig shows no wireless extensions
[08:03] <TokenBad> ahhh
[08:03] <dare> go and turn them off in preferences
[08:04] <emX> Hackmo: that suggests that the default install didn't pick up on your card.
[08:04] <MidNightRaVeN> emX: what is wine?
[08:04] <poningru> can someone transfer me there htp file from /usr/lib/apt/methods/
[08:04] <emX> MidNightRaVeN: wine -> "wine's not an emulator", wrapper to run windows programs under linux
[08:04] <poningru> err their
[08:04] <Hackmo> emX: how do I get it working?
[08:04] <TokenBad> thanks dare it was the buddy log out noise I was hearing
[08:04] <tomchuk> evillight, so this is a devfs-enabled kernel right?
[08:05] <Hackmo> emX: I checked the supported hardware on the Ubuntu wiki and it says that it should work, i'm running warty btw
[08:05] <evillight> tomchuk: Yes, this one is
[08:05] <evillight> tomchuk: I would gladly turn it off hehe, in fact I may try that again
[08:05] <emX> Hackmo: i think i used to have a wg311t; don't remember if i got it working or not...hang on.
[08:05] <MidNightRaVeN> emX: maybe i'll have to give that a go =/ is it really complicated lol? just out of curiousity, to use dvdbackup?
[08:05] <poningru> so no one?
[08:06] <poningru> anyone?
[08:06] <Hackmo> emX, : ok thanks
[08:06] <dell500> how do i uninstall an app, such as lm-sensors?
[08:06] <tomchuk> evillight,  you'd need to manually create the console device if you want to run devfs, and installing devfsd wouldn't hurt either
[08:06] <emX> MidNightRaVeN: dvdbackup -M -i /dev/dvd -o ~/DVD
[08:06] <poningru> dell500: if you installed through apt
[08:06] <spo0nman> ok I have a the Unichrome video card is there a ubuntu way to get dri and 3d working? or I need to compile my own X and drivers?
[08:06] <dare> Yep i had that on too... just turned it off
[08:06] <poningru> then you can just go into synaptic and uncheck the thing
[08:06] <emX> MidNightRaVeN: dvdshrink is easy to use, too; there are examples at the end of the growisofs manpage for burning dvds, as well.
[08:06] <MidNightRaVeN> emX: i'm guessing that's the only line you need lol
[08:06] <dell500> poningru, sweet
[08:06] <emX> MidNightRaVeN: yep
[08:07] <dare> i just installed Ubuntu today... i'm trying to figure out how to get my divx/xvid movies to play
[08:07] <tomchuk> evillight,  and to create /dev/console you'd have to umount tmpfs from /dev/ so it would last through the reboot
[08:07] <goldfish> dell500: sudo apt-get remove lm_sensors --purge
[08:07] <poningru> dare: ubuntuguide.org
[08:07] <dare> i installed the xvid codec... but Totem doesn't seem to recognize it
[08:07] <Hackmo> emX: I have a WG311T in my hoary box and it works fine
[08:07] <MidNightRaVeN> emX: sweet =) thx! I'll try that instead of dvdrip, let's just hope i don't blow anything up ;-)
[08:07] <emX> Hackmo: it uses the ath driver, right?
[08:07] <emX> MidNightRaVeN: :-) shouldn't be able to hurt much copying dvds...
[08:07] <Hackmo> emX: yeah it's the atheros chipset
[08:07] <burner> dare: www.ubuntuguide.org will tell, but basically just apt-get install totem-xine
[08:07] <evillight> tomchuk: last through the reboot? explain please :)
[08:08] <emX> and lsmod | grep ath doesn't show anything?
[08:08] <dare> oo
[08:08] <dare> cool thanks
[08:08] <tomchuk> evillight,  AFAIK, udev creates device nodes on a tmpfs which are destroyed when the tmpfs is unmounted
[08:08] <dare> is there a global keyboard shortcut to open a terminal?
[08:08] <goldfish> !ubuntuguide
[08:08] <ubotu> hmm... ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[08:08] <goldfish> dare: ^^ :)
[08:08] <evillight> oh i see
[08:08] <dell500> anyone here use superkaramba for themes such as cynapses?
[08:09] <dare> huh?
[08:09] <evillight> tomchuk: umount tmpfs and then create /dev/console ?
[08:09] <emX> Hackmo: wanna paste the output from 'ifconfig -a' and 'iwconfig' on the pasetbin?
[08:09] <dare> if you mean SHIFT+66 that doesn't do it ?
[08:09] <evillight> tomchuk: and then reboot?
[08:09] <dikadika> is there a new hardware detection method in ubuntu?
[08:09] <goldfish> dare: ubuntuguide is frowned upon.
[08:09] <dare> oh i see
[08:09] <Hackmo> emX: ok give me a second
[08:09] <tomchuk> evillight, well if your box stays up long enough with no /dev ;)
[08:09] <poningru> goldfish: why?
[08:09] <dare> let me bookmark these other links then...
[08:09] <tomchuk> evillight,  any particular reason for wanting devfs?
[08:09] <thechitowncubs> i guess im the only one that notices the slowness
[08:10] <poningru> thechitowncubs: what slowness?
[08:10] <La_PaRCa> Hello.
[08:10] <dare> But anyways, so is there a keyboard shortcut to open a new terminal?
[08:10] <evillight> tomchuk: none, only that something was trying to use it with the previous compile attempt on boot
[08:10] <poningru> dare: if there isnt one you can set one up
[08:10] <burner> dare: in gnome, u can create one
[08:10] <La_PaRCa> I remember I could use Applications:/// in gnome to access the apps in the menu, but I cant do that in hoary. Any equivalents?
[08:11] <burner> dare: well, technically... metacity handles that
[08:11] <dikadika> how do i get ubuntu to recognize my dvd drive i just installed?
[08:11] <poningru> dare: system->preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts
[08:11] <crimsun> dikadika: it should recognise it automatically
[08:11] <dare> nice =D
[08:11] <tomchuk> evillight,  did you enable /dev/pts filesystem support?
[08:11] <dare> thx poningru
[08:11] <poningru> np
[08:11] <dikadika> crimsun, thanks for responding, so since it didnt, i should assume something is wrong
[08:11] <evillight> tomchuk: good question, let me check
[08:11] <poningru> now if only someone would help me
[08:11] <poningru> :(
[08:12] <dare> im a n00b lol =D
[08:12] <gijosh> Hey.  I created an extra partition on another hard drive.  How do I format it with reiserfs.
[08:12] <crimsun> dikadika: not necessarily. grep ^hd /var/log/dmesg
[08:12] <poningru> dare: actually you can help
[08:12] <dare> what's the problem?
[08:12] <poningru> can you go into
[08:12] <poningru> err hold on
[08:12] <Hackmo> emX: this is iwconfig http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/614
[08:12] <evillight> tomchuk: CONFIG_DEVPTS_FS_XATTR=y
[08:12] <poningru> can you go into  /usr/lib/apt/methods/
[08:12] <poningru> and transfer me the htp file
[08:13] <Hackmo> emX: I can't put up iwconfig -a because their is too much for me to type up
[08:13] <tomchuk> evillight,  hrm, one sec.. let me check my config
[08:13] <evillight> tomchuk: ok
[08:13] <dikadika> crimsun, since it is a sata drive i used sd rather then hd, it didnt return anything
[08:13] <dare> u mean the http file?
[08:13] <qt2> tried to manually install 1.0.5... "DLError: libxpcom.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" during install... might that be the reason its been locking  up?
[08:13] <poningru> dare: there is no htp file?
[08:13] <poningru> hmm somethings fishy
[08:13] <whyameye> to run totem-xine from the command window, I just type totem?
[08:13] <dare> nope
[08:13] <poningru> ok thanks dude
[08:13] <emX> Hackmo: first, can you manually insert the ath kernel module? 'sudo modprobe ath'?
[08:13] <dare> no worries
[08:13] <burner> whyameye: yes
[08:14] <gijosh> Is there a way to mount two different partitions to /home?  I'm running out of space for my /home partition, and I have an entirely seperate hard drive for extra space.  I set up a partition on it, and I'm about to format it.
[08:14] <dare> bzip2  cdrom  copy  file  ftp  gpgv  gzip  http  rsh  ssh
[08:14] <dare> those are the ones there
[08:14] <dare> FYI
[08:14] <dikadika> crimsun, but hd did return something drives hda and hdc, but nothing else (those were installed before)
[08:14] <Hackmo> emX: "FATAL: Module not found."
[08:14] <whyameye> burner: okay it isn't working then. I just get the command prompt back. I think it is because I just switched from ESD to ALSA. Can I tell totem to use ALSA?
[08:14] <burner> gijosh: when you put a file there, how would it know which partition to go to?
[08:15] <evillight> gijosh: no, but you should be able to mount the seperate drive within your home directory....
[08:15] <poningru> yeah thats what I have too
[08:15] <burner> whyameye: man totem
[08:15] <poningru> I probably messed up my source.list
[08:15] <crimsun> whyameye: you need to configure gstreamer-properties's default audio sink to alsa
[08:15] <nickrud> gijosh, I've heard of things called lvm and evms or some other acronym; I just added an extra partition for the big stuff: media and the like
[08:15] <emX> Hackmo: sorry, ath -> ath_pci (i think)...
[08:15] <tomchuk> evillight,  do a diff -Naur between /boot/config-2.6.10(working kernel) and /usr/src/linux/.config and paste it to the pastebin
[08:15] <gijosh> evillight:  Yea I figured I could.  burner:  Well, I'm sure developers could figure out a way. ;)
[08:15] <whyameye> crimsun, gstreamer-properties already is set to alsa.
[08:16] <Hackmo> emX: ok done, didn't give me any output though
[08:16] <gijosh> All the space is being taken up by my videos folder, so I'll probably split it up in two.
[08:16] <emX> Hackmo: now lsmod | grep ath
[08:16] <dare> hey does anyone find that GAIM will automatically position itself to the left of the screen, regardless of where you minimize it from?
[08:16] <crimsun> whyameye: so test works successfully?
[08:17] <Hackmo> emX: ok done
[08:17] <emX> :-)
[08:17] <Hackmo> lol
[08:17] <emX> Hackmo: now iwconfig; do you see ath0 there?
[08:17] <whyameye> crimsun, I'm not familiar with test. I type "test" at the command prompt and I get the prompt back again. Not sure what this means...
[08:17] <Hackmo> emX: no still not there
[08:17] <MidNightRaVeN> emX:  how long does it normally take for dvdbackup to make an image?
[08:17] <emX> Hackmo: ok -- are you on a laptop?
[08:17] <crimsun> no, the test for the default audio sink in gstreamer-properities
[08:18] <Hackmo> emX: no, desktop
[08:18] <emX> MidNightRaVeN: depends on the hardware. i usually take ~30m on a AMD64 3200+
[08:18] <whyameye> crimsun, in general I have sound. All the ubuntu sounds are there. VLC runs fine...
[08:18] <gijosh> How do you format a partition to ext3?
[08:18] <emX> Hackmo: and the PCI card is all plugged in and stuff? just checking...
[08:18] <MidNightRaVeN> emX: you're using 64 as well =D ??
[08:18] <Hackmo> emX: yeah it's plugged in and the led showing that it is connected is lit
[08:19] <emX> MidNightRaVeN: running 32bit on the 64bit processor, though
[08:19] <weiers> Hi, I have a problem with GRUB - it does not want to load my windows XP. I get the following error message: Root (Hd1,0) Filesystem type unknown, partition typ0x7, safe default, makeactive, cahiloader +1 ... and then everything just stops. I have to reboot. Can somebody shed some light?
[08:19] <emX> Hackmo: ok. do you see the card in the output of 'lspci'?
[08:19] <crimsun> whyameye: are you using totem or totem-xine?
[08:19] <nickrud> gijosh, I cheat a bit, and use cfdisk
[08:19] <Hackmo> emX: yeah I do
[08:20] <MidNightRaVeN> emX: same same..... can't run any apps well or easily otherwise... have you been able to play dvd's smoothly under the 64 or are you using 32?
[08:20] <emX> Hackmo: 'sudo ifconfig ath0 up'
[08:20] <emX> MidNightRaVeN: haven't really used the 64bit stuff yet. i actually built this box with the intention of running mythtv/freevo on it, etc and doing HDTV
[08:21] <emX> MidNightRaVeN: haven't gotten around to the software side of all that, though; just a regular box for now with an hdtv card.
[08:21] <Hackmo> emX: "ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device"
[08:21] <emX> Hackmo: hrrm. is this a known good card?
[08:22] <Hackmo> emX: yeah it's a good card, I use it in my other Ubuntu box.  It's also on the ubuntu wiki under supported hardware
[08:22] <whyameye> crimsun, I'm using totem-xine. I just got it to work. I had to kill a runaway process of it, then it loaded up and plays great!
[08:22] <MidNightRaVeN> emX: koo =) i haven't been able to do much of jack with 64 cuz I'm a linux newb for one ;-) and two... it looks hard enough for some one who does know what they are doing so I've kinda just gone to 32 for most my apps... o well lol thx for the help though!
[08:22] <emX> MidNightRaVeN: np.
[08:23] <gijosh> nickrud: cfdisk doesn't have filesystems like ext3 or resier or whatever under its list. It just sais Linux.  What does it meen by that?
[08:23] <crimsun> whyameye: great.
[08:23] <Hackmo> emX: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards?highlight=%28support%29
[08:23] <dare> i tried using apt-get to get codecs like it says in ubuntuguide, but all of them say the dependency trees were not found
[08:23] <Ober> Albus Dumbledore dies, Half Blood Prince is Godric Gryffindor, Hermione and Ron are finally a thing, Draco leaves Hogwarts!!!
[08:23] <emX> Hackmo: i've read it :-)
[08:23] <Hackmo> emX: Ok, just showing you where I was getting it from
[08:23] <emX> Hackmo: i was wondering more if you knew that the physical card itself was good -- seems it should be
[08:24] <Hackmo> emX: ah i've not tried it in any other computer but it was a brand new card bought from dabs
[08:24] <dell500> trying to get the sensors to work, i do this sudo modprobe smbus-arp and get this FATAL: Module smbus_arp not found.
[08:24] <Hackmo> emX: and it's being picked up under lspci
[08:24] <nickrud> gijosh, under type (at the bottom) you have a lot of options for formatting, if i remember correctly
[08:25] <Computer__Guru> is there a menu editor for xfce4?
[08:25] <emX> Hackmo: that's persuasive enough for me...
[08:25] <emX> Hackmo: can you name the devices seen in 'ifconfig -a'?
[08:25] <crimsun> Computer__Guru: included in xfce4? yes.
[08:25] <poningru> dare: use synaptic if you can
[08:25] <Hackmo> emX: lo and sit0
[08:25] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  xfce4-menueditor
[08:26] <Computer__Guru> tyvm
[08:26] <nickrud> gijosh, sorry, I made the mistake of believing my memory rather than checking first
[08:26] <weiers> crimsun - last night (about 10 hours ago) you advices me to install snd-azx and alsa source and sent me the command to do that. I ran the command and it seems the alsa source downloaded and began to install, but it eventually encountered an error. Every time I run the command it encounters the error again. I wonder if you could look at the output and advise me what I could do to get sound working? I posted the output in the paste bin a few minutes ago.
[08:26] <gijosh> nickrud: Lol, man.  I figured it out anyway. :)
[08:27] <nickrud> gijosh, yeah, mkfs.ext3 :)
[08:27] <dare> poningru: what should i be searching for? xvid returns no entries, i tried instealling some MPEG codecs...
[08:27] <poningru> hmm what was the name of the package you tried with apt?
[08:27] <dell500> is there a way to undo a modprobe command?
[08:28] <emX> Hackmo: hate to say it, but i'm falling asleep...
[08:28] <dare> http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[08:28] <PlutoPrime> dell500, rmmod modname
[08:28] <crimsun> weiers: sure
[08:28] <Hackmo> emX: lol ok, thanks for your help i'll figure it out somehow
[08:28] <weiers> thanks very much crimsun
[08:28] <poningru> dare: dont just do a name search do a name and description search
[08:29] <poningru> and are you sure you have enabled all the repositories?
[08:29] <dell500> PlutoPrime, thanks
[08:29] <dare> huh? i have to enable repositories?
[08:29] <MidNightRaVeN> emX: you think it's ok to run other programs while using dvdbackup?? or should i just let it burn away with no distrurbance?
[08:29] <poningru> yeah there are a couple that are not enabled by default
[08:29] <gijosh> Er, when editing fstab, if the folder you want to mount a partition too's name ends up taking it into the next column, how do you take care of that?
[08:29] <dare> ok i'm lookijng at the repository list
[08:29] <dare> where does it show if they are enabled or not
[08:29] <emX> MidNightRaVeN: should be fine, although it eats up a lot of CPU (for me) -- firefox gets sluggish.
[08:29] <poningru> just go into advanced
[08:30] <mophat> ..  what's the name of the default burning package that comes with ubuntu .. i want to apt-get remove it .. i'm using k3b now
[08:30] <thechitowncubs> MY sisters computer has been out of order for a while and i have some free time to fix it but i have no idea what to look for, i got into recovery mode... the thing that wont work is that the gdm won't completely start, the cursor shows up and all but the gdm login never shows. I would appreciate any support :)
[08:30] <nickrud> Oh, good, the ubuntu guide is getting fixed after all
[08:30] <dare> ok i got it
[08:30] <MidNightRaVeN> emX: i have a 3500+ so it's not really all that much better ;-)
[08:30] <dare> so i should enable all of them?
[08:30] <poningru> yeah
[08:30] <Novice> i have problems installing ubuntu; after it displays the message the remove ur cdroms media and it will reboot, it just hangs after displaying grub
[08:30] <poningru> there should only be two that are not enabled
[08:30] <dare> i saw 4
[08:30] <poningru> hmm really?
[08:30] <mophat> what's the burninig software that comes by default
[08:31] <dare> i think each had a clone though
[08:31] <emX> MidNightRaVeN: you could go ahead and install wine/dvdshrink/growisofs whiel you wait..l
[08:31] <mophat> nautilus?
[08:31] <poningru> there were 4 disabled?
[08:31] <dare> wait it's reloading the source list
[08:31] <poningru> oh
[08:31] <emX> night all...
[08:31] <poningru> night dude
[08:31] <MidNightRaVeN> emX: lol wait
[08:31] <tomchuk> mophat,  nautilus-cd-burner
[08:31] <Hackmo> emX: night
[08:31] <mophat> tomchuk, gracia
[08:31] <weiers> emX: I just got up
[08:31] <tomchuk> denada
[08:31] <emX_conked-out> weiers: ah, the life.
[08:31] <mophat> =] 
[08:31] <MidNightRaVeN> emX_conked-out: awwww ='(
[08:31] <PlutoPrime> thechitowncubs, that happened to me too and the problem went away on it's own
[08:32] <PlutoPrime> I use backports.. so could have been one of the updates from there that messed it up
[08:32] <thechitowncubs> PlutoPrime, well it isn't, its been doing it for about a week through constant reboots and all
[08:32] <mophat> this is definatly a beauty distro
[08:32] <PlutoPrime> have you tried making a new account and see if you can login ok?
[08:32] <gijosh> I think I'm going to beet up fstab now
[08:32] <mophat> definatly a b E  A yooot
[08:32] <thechitowncubs> she said it happened when she was burning a cd in graveman, it froze so she rebooted and now its not working
[08:33] <PlutoPrime> you can make an account through the terminal and try see if it can successfuly login... if you can then something got messed up with her profile
[08:33] <thechitowncubs> PlutoPrime: well the gdm won't start
[08:33] <PlutoPrime> o
[08:33] <thechitowncubs> PlutoPrime: so i can't even get that far, unless making a new user would help in some odd way
[08:33] <PlutoPrime> do you see the cursor?? doex X load?
[08:33] <thechitowncubs> ya, the cursor loads
[08:33] <thechitowncubs> i can't even get to a virtual terminal
[08:34] <nickrud> thechitowncubs, if you get the cursor, X is getting somewhere: look at the end of /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /var/log/gdm/gdm/\:0.log for some clues
[08:34] <thechitowncubs> alright, i'll put that in my notes for tomorrow :)
[08:34] <evillight> tomchuk: well, it seems I was being a complete retard. I have no need to recompile
[08:34] <thechitowncubs> any other ideas?
[08:34] <PlutoPrime> I can't think of anything else... it's really odd
[08:34] <tomchuk> evillight,  ???? I'm on the edge of my seat
[08:35] <PlutoPrime> out of anything that would break I would imagine gnome would.. not gdm
[08:35] <PlutoPrime> heh
[08:35] <dare> poningru: do i have to do some sort of refresh after installing codec libaries?
[08:35] <poningru> not really
[08:35] <PlutoPrime> did she install some invalid theme for GDM maybe?
[08:35] <thechitowncubs> no
[08:35] <evillight> tomchuk: it looks like both were compiled in stock
[08:35] <dare> i installed libavcodec which had some good other dependencies that came with it
[08:35] <dare> and i have xvid installed
[08:35] <dare> what the heck else does totem want =/
[08:35] <tomchuk> evillight,  cool
[08:36] <dare> wait you know in the package list
[08:36] <poningru> dare: http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[08:36] <evillight> tomchuk: one problem, when I switch to console from X, my consoles are garbled. =/
[08:36] <poningru> did you follow that?
[08:36] <dare> dude i just linked you to that
[08:36] <dare> to tell you it didn't work =P
[08:36] <tomchuk> evillight,  how so?
[08:36] <dare> oh wait
[08:36] <dare> i'm supposed to try again aren't i
[08:36] <dare> right
[08:36] <dare> teehee :x
[08:36] <evillight> tomchuk: it looks as if the text is still in 792 mode, but it's trying to display in default 80x25 mode
[08:36] <evillight> tomchuk: that make sense? heh
[08:37] <tomchuk> evillight,  oh, you're using a framebuffer console?
[08:37] <evillight> tomchuk: yes, boot option vga=792 in grub
[08:37] <tomchuk> evillight,  any other video options?
[08:38] <evillight> tomchuk: I could try others, but that's what I'm used to, though I have no loyalty to it ;)
[08:38] <tomchuk> evillight,  try adding video=vesa:mtrr,ywrap
[08:38] <evillight> tomchuk: ok
[08:41] <Xyc0> How do I make VLC default Media Player?
[08:41] <weiers> Anybody have any idea what I must do to get GRUB to boot my windows XP? I just get a message: root (hd1,0) - Filesystem type unknown, Partitiontyp 0x7
[08:41] <nickrud> dare, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo may help
[08:42] <PlutoPrime> Xyc0, rightlick file, properties, Open With tab, Add Vlc if not in the list, or select it form the list if it's there
[08:42] <Stalkr> is there a startup floppy image for ubuntu?
[08:42] <crimsun> see the netboot images
[08:43] <Xyc0> PlutoPrime: ERROR: Could not add application to application database
[08:43] <Xyc0> PlutoPrime: its in the list
[08:43] <Xyc0> PlutoPrime: I just get that
[08:43] <PlutoPrime> wow
[08:43] <PlutoPrime> that's a problem
[08:43] <nickrud> dare, if you have the codecs from backports (I think they're in /usr/lib/win32) link from there in the totem-addons  chunk
[08:43] <PlutoPrime> how did you install VLC?
[08:43] <Xyc0> backports?
[08:43] <weiers> crimsun: did the output give you any idea of what might be going wrong?
[08:44] <dare> hmm
[08:44] <dare> i followed ubuntuguide and installed codecs
[08:44] <dare> the movie loads now
[08:44] <dare> but it's choppy
[08:44] <PlutoPrime> Xyc0, I haven't dealt with that error, I suggest you try adding it again if it's there, simply point the path to /usr/bin/vlc
[08:44] <dare> why is this?
[08:44] <Xyc0> PlutoPrime: I got it, I used custom command, vlc
[08:44] <Xyc0> PlutoPrime: I guess it didnt like the wxvlc command
[08:44] <PlutoPrime> yea
[08:45] <thechitowncubs> have you guys read any good books lately?
[08:45] <Xyc0> Shadow of the Giant
[08:45] <Xyc0> By Orson Scott Card
[08:45] <ICXCNIKA> "Tai-Pan" by James Clavell.
[08:46] <Stalkr> So I guess there isn't
[08:46] <weiers> "Dark night of the soul" by St. John of the Cross :-)
[08:46] <nickrud> Chain of Fools by Steven Womack
[08:46] <Xyc0> Shadow of the Giant is the next book in the Ender's Shadow Series
[08:46] <ICXCNIKA> Anyway, I am probably going to download Ubuntu in a month. I need to make a list of what programs I need (IRC clients, etc).
[08:46] <crimsun> weiers: not really. Which options did you choose while running dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source?
[08:46] <Stalkr> thechitowncubs: I read The Broker by John Grisham.
[08:46] <thechitowncubs> nice nice
[08:46] <dare> i will try adding the codecs to the addon folder
[08:46] <Xyc0> ICXCNIKA: almoist everything is installed with Ubuntu
[08:46] <poningru> dare: the choppiness?
[08:46] <ICXCNIKA> Including an IRC client?
[08:46] <poningru> its because of totem
[08:46] <poningru> try vlc
[08:46] <Xyc0> ICXCNIKA: Gaim
[08:47] <tomchuk> ICXCNIKA,  xchat
[08:47] <Agrajag> Gaim is not an IRC client
[08:47] <Xyc0> ^
[08:47] <poningru> also are you playing the vid from cd?
[08:47] <Xyc0> yes it is
[08:47] <tomchuk> ICXCNIKA,  irssi as well
[08:47] <weiers> crimsun: It gave me two options - one where I chose the driver (AZX) and another where it asked me to generate some feedback or code to help with debugging. I chose yes.
[08:47] <poningru> yeah gaim sucks as an IRC client
[08:47] <Agrajag> it happens to have IRC functionality, but come on, it's horrid
[08:47] <poningru> you cant run any commands
[08:47] <ICXCNIKA> Hmm. I don't use AOL Instant Messenger.
[08:47] <Xyc0> hell no, gaim with gaim-irchelper is awsome
[08:47] <Agrajag> gaim works with all IM networks
[08:47] <crimsun> weiers: I hope you answered "no" to PnP
[08:48] <blrich> anyone know where i can get skype in the debian tree? repositories for it?
[08:48] <ICXCNIKA> I have windows right now, so I use mIRC.
[08:48] <blrich> i have the extra repositories from the ubuntu guide but can't find it anywhere in there
[08:48] <weiers> crimsun: I am trying that now, I still said yes for the debuggin
[08:49] <tomchuk> ICXCNIKA,  xchat is probably the closest equivalent
[08:49] <evillight> tomchuk: no go, still garbled
[08:49] <Xyc0> blrich: http://ubuntuguide.org/#skype
[08:49] <tomchuk> evillight,  what video card?
[08:49] <Stalkr> Anyone know how I can install ubuntu if my cdrom won't initialize for a boot?
[08:49] <evillight> tomchuk: GeForce2 MX440
[08:49] <weiers> crimsun: I still get the message that the dpkg-deb: package name has characters that are not accepteble
[08:50] <poningru> Stalkr: I remember there being a net installer
[08:50] <ICXCNIKA> But I presume irssi is a good client.
[08:50] <poningru> but dont remember any details
[08:50] <Xyc0> Stalkr: That is a bios problem
[08:50] <poningru> ICXCNIKA: its textbased so no gui
[08:50] <crimsun> weiers: use the sudo debian/rules .... by itself
[08:50] <Stalkr> it's a really old machine
[08:50] <poningru> ICXCNIKA: I would say use xchat
[08:50] <tomchuk> evillight,  hrm, not to sure then, removing the vga line will probably leave your console in a decent state
[08:50] <evillight> tomchuk: I think I'm gunna forget about it for now, I'll try more later ;) thanks for your help. Much appreciated.
[08:50] <Xyc0> Stalkr: Shouldn't make a difference
[08:50] <poningru> Stalkr: it should still boot from cd
[08:51] <tomchuk> np evillight
[08:51] <evillight> tomchuk: yes, it does. :)
[08:51] <poningru> dare: did everything work out ok?
[08:51] <Xyc0> GUILDWARS WORKS ON CEDEGA!!!!!!
[08:51] <Xyc0> yey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[08:51] <Xyc0> its flawless
[08:52] <imaek> Is there any easy well to tell if there is any traffic on eth0?
[08:52] <Xyc0> just turn off esd tho
[08:52] <Stalkr> So, you're saying there's nothing I can do without a cd device to boot from?
[08:52] <poningru> Stalkr: if you can boot from floppy
[08:52] <Stalkr> it says Iintializing boot cd-rom but never does
[08:52] <Xyc0> Stalkr: Im saying you should play with your bios to get it work
[08:52] <poningru> there is an old program that makes it boot from cd
[08:52] <Dr_Willis> Xyc0,  hmm.. last i tried it - it was NOT flawless...
[08:52] <Stalkr> I set the bios to boot from cd first then the hdd
[08:52] <Dr_Willis> Xyc0,  they may of done some updates however.
[08:53] <Stalkr> it just won't go, and I mean with nothing, redhat, XP or ubuntu
[08:53] <blrich> Xyc0, thanks =)
[08:53] <weiers> crimsun: still get the same dh_builddeb: command returned error Code 512
[08:53] <Stalkr> I'd boot fom floppy if I could find an image
[08:53] <poningru> Stalkr: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-28948.html
[08:54] <Xyc0> blrich: It work?
[08:54] <nickrud> imaek, I use the system monitor applet, and set the colors for contrast on the network. It's not absolute numbers, but does show activity
[08:54] <Stalkr> ty
[08:54] <crimsun> weiers: Hoary, correct?
[08:54] <weiers> crimsun: yes
[08:54] <poningru> Stalkr: wait thats for the net install
[08:55] <crimsun> weiers: so the binary/ruls package i sbreaking it?
[08:55] <Stalkr> doh
[08:56] <weiers> I do not really know: I don't know if I should paste just the last 10 lines of the output so that you can see. crimsun
[08:56] <crimsun> weiers: sorry, that was supposed to read "the debian/rules command"
[08:56] <poningru> gaah I cant find it
[08:56] <poningru> Stalkr: still looking this might take a while
[08:57] <SysFail> imaek: install wmnet
[08:57] <Stalkr> I did look, I just couldmn't find anything
[08:58] <ICXCNIKA> I just hope when I install ubuntu that my modem will work.
[08:59] <Pro_Newbie> What program can i use for system monitoring? Like CPU, Memory, Network and so on.... (im on KDE)
[08:59] <philc> I have many versions of automake installed. How can I select which one to use?
[08:59] <weiers> crimsun: I just pasted the last 10 lines or so ... I do not know enough to really know what is breaking it. The command generates a huge amount of output and then suddenly it says that some package has the wrong characters in it.
[08:59] <SysFail> Pro_Newbie: gkrellm
[08:59] <poningru> Stalkr: hahaha found it
[08:59] <poningru> http://linux.simple.be/tools/sbm
[09:00] <nickrud> ICXCNIKA, if you have a win or soft modem, that may take some work. You might want to consider getting an external serial modem just for simplicity.
[09:00] <poningru> philc: what do you mean?
[09:01] <Coag> thanks alot to anyone here that helped today
[09:01] <Stalkr> thanks
[09:01] <poningru> np
[09:01] <philc> poningru: I meant update-alternatives
[09:01] <ICXCNIKA> Simplicity...ah.
[09:01] <poningru> philc: so you installed two diff versions and you want to choose which one to update?
[09:01] <poningru> or which one to use?
[09:01] <poningru> gah I am confused
[09:01] <philc> poningru: which one to use. auto-update does what I need.
[09:02] <poningru> oh
[09:02] <poningru> thats pretty simple
[09:02] <poningru> just browser to where the different things are
[09:02] <poningru> err executable is
[09:02] <harsha> can some please help me how to access apt-get from behinf a proxy
[09:02] <dare> bah!
[09:02] <poningru> and ./auto-update
[09:02] <dare> playing an xvid in xine almost crashed my PC =(
[09:03] <poningru> dare: use vlc
[09:03] <dare> how to fix the choppy issue?
[09:03] <dare> that has a linux version?
[09:03] <poningru> I love it and google loves it
[09:03] <dare> nice
[09:03] <poningru> you know about vid.google.com?
[09:03] <harsha> i have authentication to the proxy server too (username & passwd)
[09:03] <poningru> well they are using vlc
[09:03] <dare> do i get it from synaptec?
[09:03] <poningru> dare: yep
[09:04] <dare> what is Synaptic anyway
[09:04] <dare> just a name?
[09:04] <nickrud> some files seem to play better in mplayer, some in xine, and some in vlc. I've never understood why
[09:04] <SysFail> if he has choppy vid maybe its his dma setting
[09:04] <poningru> oh yeah
[09:04] <nickrud> SysFail, yes, good call
[09:04] <dare> o_O
[09:04] <poningru> hmm dare turn on dma in HD
[09:05] <dare> HD?
[09:05] <poningru> err in your hard drive
[09:05] <dare> aren't those on by default?
[09:05] <poningru> it should support it if its relatively new
[09:05] <poningru> nope
[09:05] <dare> how do i turn it on
[09:05] <SysFail> not on by default always
[09:05] <poningru> hold on let me find the link
[09:05] <nickrud> dare, you can check by doing hdparm -i /dev/hd?
[09:06] <harsha> hey nickrud
[09:06] <harsha> plz help me
[09:06] <bluefoxicy> is there a program where I can put in a bunch of X-Y coords and have it draw me a graph, like a graphing calculator
[09:06] <harsha> set up an apt-get client
[09:06] <weiers> crimsun: If only you could explain to me what the actual issue is. Then I can perhaps begin to look elsewhere for help. I feel very frustrated because I have no idea what I am busy doing and why it is failing. I've installed ubuntu on two other computers without any such problems, now suddenly I cannot get it to work.
[09:06] <bluefoxicy> and plot me a quadratic or cubic line of best fit?
[09:06] <nickrud> harsha, I'm not sure I know what you mean
[09:06] <harsha> ok
[09:07] <dare> uh oh
[09:07] <nickrud> harsha, explain what you want a bit more in length, please :)
[09:07] <dare> i changed my password in Users & Groups
[09:07] <dare> now my sudo login seems to fail
[09:07] <harsha> i want to use apt-get command
[09:07] <harsha> to install some packages
[09:08] <harsha> i am behing a proxy
[09:08] <nickrud> harsha, ok
[09:08] <harsha> behind a proxy
[09:08] <harsha> how to i connct to the ubuntu servers
[09:08] <Jomdom> hey guys
[09:08] <nickrud> harsha, networks are not one of my strong points, to say the least :)
[09:09] <poningru> dare: found it
[09:09] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA?highlight=%28dma%29
[09:09] <dare> pon
[09:09] <dare> my sudo pass is rejecting me
[09:09] <dare> lol
[09:09] <harsha> its ok nickrud
[09:09] <poningru> wait what happend?
[09:09] <dare> all i did was change the pass in Users & Groups for my current account... but i changed it back and still no luck
[09:09] <poningru> hmm
[09:09] <poningru> ic
[09:10] <poningru> does it give an error? or stare you in the face?
[09:10] <dare> 'Sorry, try again'
[09:10] <poningru> like just doesnt do anything?
[09:10] <poningru> oh
[09:10] <nickrud> harsha, I've never needed a proxy, but my first pass at looking it up for apt gave me apt.conf.
[09:10] <weiers> Anybody have any idea what I must do to get GRUB to boot my windows XP? I just get a message: root (hd1,0) - Filesystem type unknown, Partitiontyp 0x7
[09:10] <dare> how the heck can it be wrong... i just set it... bah whatv i done =/
[09:10] <dare> does it reset to some default master when i change it in Users
[09:11] <harsha> hey nickrud
[09:11] <poningru> dare: how did you change it?
[09:11] <harsha> my schoo has a proxy setup
[09:11] <harsha> school
[09:11] <dare> Administration -> Users & Groups
[09:11] <dare> then i clicked on my account
[09:11] <dare> and set by hand
[09:11] <harsha> we have logins to access the net
[09:11] <harsha> but how do u do a apt-get upgrade
[09:11] <poningru> hmm
[09:11] <poningru> dare http://ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword
[09:12] <Jomdom> mind if i bore you all with some dual boot questions?
[09:12] <nickrud> harsha, sudo apt-get upgrade  ?
[09:12] <poningru> Jomdom: go for it
[09:12] <poningru> nickrud: no he has to put in password inorder to access the interweb
[09:13] <harsha> hmm i know
[09:13] <harsha> but id does not
[09:13] <poningru> harsha: how do you enter the password?
[09:13] <dare> crap.. still blocks me =/
[09:13] <poningru> through a browser?
[09:13] <harsha> pningru: thats what  i wanted to know
[09:13] <nickrud> ok, then I'm pasting a chunk from man apt.conf into #flood; that's what I'd try
[09:13] <poningru> dare: hmm
[09:13] <poningru> what did you try?
[09:13] <harsha> nickrud: do that
[09:13] <dare> sudo passwd root
[09:14] <mr-russ> hi, where can I find examples of how to write scripts to create ubuntu compatible .debs?
[09:14] <dare> then i tried all of the passes
[09:14] <dare> they all say Sorry, try again
[09:14] <nickrud> harsha, did you join in time, or should I repaste
[09:14] <dare> but it lets me set my password in Users & Groups
[09:14] <discord_> anyone know if the hoary kernel comes compiled with devfs? Im trying to find the device name of my usb dvd burner
[09:14] <dare> is there a difference between that password and my sudo pass?
[09:14] <discord_> i know its connected from cdrecord -scanbus but i dont know the device name to use mkiso-fs
[09:15] <poningru> dare: no shouldnt be
[09:15] <harsha> nickrud: plz paste it again
[09:15] <Stalkr> ugh
[09:15] <Stalkr> SBM says Disk error! 0xAA
[09:15] <poningru> dare: hmm
[09:15] <Stalkr> I know the disk is good, I used it on another laptop yesterday
[09:16] <MidNightRaVeN> what package will allow me to play wmas?
[09:16] <dare> oh
[09:16] <dare> i wasn't setting the root account
[09:16] <poningru> dare: ?
[09:16] <dare> i was just setting the user account
[09:16] <poningru> Stalkr: you sure its not write protect
[09:16] <Stalkr> the cd rom?
[09:17] <poningru> dare: hehe common mistake
[09:17] <poningru> Stalkr: oh I thought you meant floppy
[09:17] <Jomdom> i have windows xp installed on an 80gb ide drive, and just threw in a new 160gb ide drive for linux/data... i am currently at the partioning stage of ubuntu install and have configured (on my 160ide) ~117gb ext3 for ubuntu (don't ask - i like my space ;), 40gb fat32 for data sharing, and 2.7gb for swap
[09:17] <Stalkr> I made the boot manager but now it won't mount the cd rom
[09:17] <Jomdom> my real question is, where should i install grub?
[09:17] <Jomdom> and moreso, how do i select where to install it?
[09:17] <poningru> Jomdom: it will be installed in the mbr
[09:17] <poningru> and you dont have to worry about that
[09:17] <Jomdom> i have just heard so many horror stories...
[09:18] <Jomdom> and back when i did redhat i had some issues getting back into windows
[09:18] <dare> ok... it still fails
[09:18] <poningru> Jomdom: yeah I dont have experience with two hard disks
[09:18] <Jomdom> can i do something super safe like install it to a floppy and leave my mba's clean?
[09:18] <bigfoot1> my leftALT key works okay, but my Right ALT key doesn't work. What's wrong?
[09:18] <Jomdom> *mbr
[09:19] <MidNightRaVeN> =/ where can i get dvdshrink from???
[09:19] <mr-russ> hi, where can I find examples of how to write scripts to create ubuntu compatible .debs?
[09:19] <discord_> im not quite sure how to tell if devfs is present
[09:19] <poningru> Jomdom: I dont think you have to worry about it, but just make a ghost of the windows partition just in case
[09:20] <poningru> Jomdom: I did not have any trouble with my dual boot
[09:20] <Jomdom> a ghost meaning stop the install, boot back into windows, find a ghosting utility, and do it across the network, etc?
[09:20] <MidNightRaVeN> =(
[09:20] <Jomdom> but yeah - i am probably being paranoid
[09:20] <MidNightRaVeN> does anyone know much about burning dvd's and such??
[09:20] <discord_> MidNightRaVeN, i know a little
[09:21] <Jomdom> but, is there at least a way to install grub to the second drive and not the first (w/ xp on it?)
[09:21] <Jomdom> then i can just change boot priority\?
[09:21] <xliu> what is anacron?
[09:21] <Jomdom> via BIOS
[09:21] <Jomdom> so if things do go bad my windows drive is still unscathed
[09:22] <MidNightRaVeN> discord_: i just used dvdbackup to write and image to my hard drive... and i was told that i would need to resize it... know how or if i need to do that?
[09:22] <MidNightRaVeN> discord_: an image*
[09:22] <poningru> MidNightRaVeN: how big is the image?
[09:22] <nickrud> xliu, anacron is system daemon that runs things at intervals; monthy, weekly, daily, etc.
[09:22] <discord_> yeah how big is it
[09:22] <discord_> ls -la
[09:23] <xliu> nickrud: thanks, but is it differentiate with cron?
[09:23] <MidNightRaVeN> poningru: says 7.8 Gigs... so can i just do it to a dual layer dvd?
[09:23] <nickrud> xliu, :)
[09:23] <discord_> um i think those are only 5.8 gigs could be wrong though
[09:23] <discord_> anyone know how to find the device name of my dvd-rom?
[09:23] <MidNightRaVeN> discord_: dual layer should be technically 8.4
[09:23] <Gourami> Hi, I am battling with a machine that is currently doing heavy hard drive access and constantly grinds to a halt
[09:24] <discord_> hmm then it sounds like you dont need to resize it
[09:24] <poningru> MidNightRaVeN: I would use something like K3b
[09:24] <djp> hi all. could somebody please do me a quick favour? preferably somebody with a fairly fresh install or someone who hasn't changed their splash theme?
[09:24] <Gourami> shouldnt there be a swap file, Swap:        0k total,        0k used,        0k free,
[09:24] <poningru> it doesnt give you much trouble
[09:24] <nickrud> anacron runs at a particular time, and staggers the weekly monthly daily stuff, and if the machine is shut off and then turned on, tries to figure out if it should run those things immediatly or not. cron doesn't care about boots
[09:25] <dare> alright... i'm really blocked out now
[09:25] <dare> whats going on >_<
[09:25] <MidNightRaVeN> poningru: that doesn't resize though does it?
[09:25] <dare> how can it let me set root/user passes in Administration
[09:25] <dare> and then not recognize them for sudo
[09:25] <nickrud> A feeble stab at a two sentence description :)
[09:26] <xliu> what is "locatedb"?
[09:26] <dare> it should at least throw an error or something
[09:26] <djp> i would like to know what the default contents of /usr/share/pixmaps/splash, should be?
[09:26] <poningru> dare: try using the terminal instead of the gui
[09:26] <dare> with sudo passwd root?
[09:26] <dare> it wont let me
[09:26] <hilux> hi
[09:26] <poningru> oh
[09:26] <dare> it rejects my pass
[09:26] <discord_> MidNightRaVeN, what are you going to use to burn the dvd?
[09:26] <Jomdom> did you try some mistypes?
[09:26] <dare> yes
[09:27] <Jomdom> :-/
[09:27] <poningru> you should be able to change your own password I think
[09:27] <MidNightRaVeN> discord_: k3b is what poningru suggested, so i'm guessing that
[09:27] <poningru> MidNightRaVeN: it doesnt resize but it solves many problems by itself
[09:27] <poningru> well it did for me
[09:28] <nickrud> djp, you can find out what package a file comes with by using dpkg -S /usr/share/pixmaps/splash ; then, you can find the original file in the deb.
[09:28] <weiers> crimsun: I just did the dpkg -i ../asla*.deb thing despite the error message in the command before that. Now my sound is working. Thank you for the information. I would still like to know more, however, because I felt quite helpless in the process.
[09:28] <dare> sigh wtf
[09:29] <poningru> dare: did it work?
[09:29] <dare> is there a master reset function...
[09:29] <poningru> hmm guess not
[09:29] <djp> nickrud: thanks for that
[09:29] <dare> wait
[09:29] <weiers> Now I just need GRUB to boot windows. Is there somebody who can give me advice on that?
[09:29] <dare> if i open Synaptic
[09:29] <dare> it doesn't ask me for my password
[09:29] <poningru> dare: try a restart
[09:29] <dare> does that mean there's some running sudo session
[09:29] <dare> that hasn't been killed
[09:29] <poningru> yeah
[09:29] <poningru> try this
[09:29] <dare> lol, i'm afraid to restart, what if i can't get back in
[09:29] <glick> i guess there is an error in the FAT file system module in this version of the kernel
[09:30] <poningru> sudo -K
[09:30] <dare> i tried sudo -K
[09:30] <poningru> oh
[09:30] <nickrud> mc and aptitude make a nice pair
[09:30] <poningru> try it again
[09:30] <poningru> and then try getting into synaptic
[09:30] <dare> still lets me in
[09:31] <poningru> hmm
[09:31] <dare> earlier the xvid thing really almost crashed my comp
[09:31] <poningru> that is weird
[09:31] <dare> i think that 'locked' something
[09:31] <hilux> wow
[09:31] <poningru> dare: just restart
[09:31] <poningru> you are screwed either way
[09:31] <dare> lol
[09:31] <imaek> What is the find command in vim?
[09:31] <MidNightRaVeN> anyone know what package i can use so that BMP can play wma files???
[09:31] <xliu> what is "slocate"?
[09:31] <poningru> bmp?
[09:32] <MidNightRaVeN> beep media player
[09:32] <poningru> wow no clue
[09:32] <tiglionabbit> w32codecs
[09:32] <tiglionabbit> found in hoary-extras
[09:32] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[09:32] <ubotu> sources is, like, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersAddingRepositories
[09:33] <poningru> more like
[09:33] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[09:33] <tiglionabbit> yeah.  Who keeps changing it back?
[09:33] <djp> nickrud: hmm. it tells me of a couple of packages related to that direcotry, but not what .png files are installed by default into the splash directory
[09:33] <MidNightRaVeN> tiglionabbit: =) thx
[09:33] <nickrud> xliu, one of the things that anacron runs daily is updatedb. That indexes nearly all the file names on your drives.  slocate looks in the database that is created for matching file names
[09:34] <Frank_dot> good night everyone!
[09:34] <poningru> night
[09:34] <nickrud> djp, ah, splash is directory; either package can create it if it doesn't exist. Try doing the dpkg -S on a particular file in the splash directory
[09:35] <tiglionabbit> and firefox crashes...
[09:35] <Jomdom> oh fantastic! "GRUB Loading stage1.5....GRUB Loading, please wait... Error 17"
[09:35] <poningru> oh shit
[09:35] <tiglionabbit> oh no, not error 17!
[09:35] <tiglionabbit> (seriously, I've never seen any error from grub other than 17)
[09:35] <Jomdom> so, what now?
[09:35] <Madpilot> ubotu forget sources
[09:35] <ubotu> i forgot sources, Madpilot
[09:36] <Madpilot> ubotu sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[09:36] <ubotu> okay, Madpilot
[09:36] <tiglionabbit> Jomdom: so now, uh, grub can't find your kernels!  oh no
[09:36] <Jomdom> and? i lose everything... or?
[09:36] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: fixed on ubotu. wonder if it'll get reverted?
[09:36] <djp> nickrud: ok thanks! sorry, i found the files included, my mistake
[09:37] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot, it will, as soon as Burgundavia or whoever notices that
[09:37] <poningru> Jomdom: http://www.sysresccd.org/
[09:37] <poningru> that has a tool to fix up grub
[09:37] <tiglionabbit> we got in a documentation fight
[09:37] <tiglionabbit> look what he did to my guide:  http://wik.ubuntu.com/NewUbuntuUsers
[09:37] <poningru> but I am so sorry dude
[09:37] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: they haven't noticed that the other page DOESN'T EXIST?
[09:38] <tiglionabbit> oops, spelled wiki wrong
[09:39] <poningru>  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUbuntuUsers
[09:39] <tiglionabbit> yeah
[09:39] <tiglionabbit> anyway, look at that!  He deleted some of my favorite parts, and didn't even fix up the weak ones
[09:39] <tiglionabbit> stupid CoreyBurger2
[09:39] <Jomdom> hmmm
[09:40] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: CoreyBurger2 = Burgundavia
[09:40] <Jomdom> works now
[09:40] <Jomdom> i rammed f12 on boot and got the grub menu
[09:40] <MidNightRaVeN> urgghh... can't find w32codecs even with -extras in my sources list...
[09:40] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: = my younger brother... shall I thump some sense into him? :)
[09:40] <MidNightRaVeN> doh!
[09:40] <Jomdom> not sure it was correlated though
[09:40] <kakalto> is there a program for managing users in kde/kubuntu?
[09:40] <MidNightRaVeN> i bet it's my 64 bit eh ;-) hehehehehehehe
[09:41] <poningru> Jomdom: w00t
[09:41] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: I'd say his revision is a bit clearer on prefering sudo to root. But only because he doesn't mention root at all...
[09:41] <poningru> I dont feel so bad
[09:41] <Jomdom> yay!
[09:41] <Jomdom> everyone wins
[09:41] <poningru> tiglionabbit: let me guess installing java and dvd etc.
[09:41] <Jomdom> i must have been the fact that i went into BIOS and changed the boot priority of each drive in turn
[09:41] <Jomdom> restarting after each
[09:41] <Jomdom> somehow that helped
[09:41] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot, yes, you certainly should.  He seems to think that all Ubuntu users are morons, and the documentation should be written so grandmas can understand it.  It seems this means to him that there should be no options (I mentioned Synaptic, Aptitude, and Apt-get in the same section), however I don't find his own work all that understandable anyway
[09:42] <discord_> xliu, slocate stands for secure locate guess its more secure than the old locate
[09:42] <tiglionabbit> and can someone with knowledge of different architectures please fix the part where I try and advise about proper kernel-images to use?
[09:43] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: he's gone a bit obsessive about user interface, I know that much...
[09:43] <MidNightRaVeN> is there a page on how to add programs from your 32bit root to your Applications tab??
[09:43] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: but user interface doesn't always have to mean "as simple as possible"...
[09:43] <tiglionabbit> quoth Burgundavia, "If I have to ever touch the console, it is a bug that should be fixed"
[09:44] <Jomdom> hahaha
[09:44] <MidNightRaVeN> anyone? =)
[09:44] <bob2> not simply
[09:44] <Atlas95> good morning
[09:44] <nickrud> ubuntu is still a bit conflicted about the command line :)
[09:44] <bob2> you'd need a shell script, or use dchroot
[09:44] <Atlas95> someone can help me for keyboard keycodes?
[09:44] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: CLI bites - but that's a different problem to writing full documentation...
[09:45] <MidNightRaVeN> bob2: =/ so basically... no lol i'm too newb for anything else right now...
[09:45] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot, I couldn't imagine living without the commandline.  There are a ton of things I simply couldn't do without it
[09:45] <bob2> CLI doesn't "bite".  it's perhaps unfriendly to new users, but it is critical to power users.
[09:45] <tiglionabbit> Like mounting volumes.  Does ubuntu have Anything graphical for that?
[09:45] <Nsaneice> I love CLI, even in Windows
[09:45] <HappyFool> heh. The Crazy Camel release, without bash
[09:45] <MidNightRaVeN> what is CLI?
[09:45] <bob2> you don't need a GUI for mounting things
[09:46] <Nsaneice> Command Line Interface
[09:46] <Jomdom> tiglionabbit: pipes.
[09:46] <nickrud> command line interface
[09:46] <joolz> tiglionabbit: disk mounter applet
[09:46] <IIIEars> command line interface
[09:46] <bob2> you need a tool that automates generating fstab
[09:46] <tiglionabbit> me too.  I love it so much, I made an alias for ls=dir in ms-dos!  =3
[09:46] <MidNightRaVeN> lol wow
[09:46] <Jomdom> one of the best things about a terminal is pipes
[09:46] <HappyFool> tiglionabbit: didn't ms do that in win nt or win 2k too ?
[09:46] <tiglionabbit> HappyFool: dunno, I use XP Tablet
[09:47] <MidNightRaVeN> i wish my canadian buddy would come on....
[09:47] <Tomcat_> Wah!
[09:47] <Madpilot> MS & Co have spent years removing the need for regular user to do CLI-anything.
[09:47] <aarcane> tiglionabbit, how well des Linux support a tablet PC
[09:47] <xliu> thanks nickrud
[09:47] <aarcane> ?
[09:47] <Jomdom> But... wizards! They are so _easy_ to use!
[09:47] <Centaur> For some reason I can't connect to any other access point other than the one that I used during the installation (which is what I'm using now). What can I do?
[09:47] <HappyFool> Madpilot: maybe not a competely bad thing, for common tasks
[09:47] <nickrud> xliu, np, I hope those one liners helped
[09:47] <Tomcat_> Madpilot: Bad strategy - when you want to do something on the console, you hate it so much you'd cut your arms. :)
[09:47] <Madpilot> it's one of the reasons, I think, that Linux is still "scary"...
[09:47] <bob2> Madpilot: and then spent a huge amount of effort writing an entirely new one for Longhorn, after realising that people *need* it
[09:48] <Tomcat_> But look at the breezy screenshots - it's just like Windows!! :D
[09:48] <tiglionabbit> well, I got it to work great.  Completely pressure sensitive in the gimp and several other programs, awesome input rate, and I could even use the button on it.  Unfortunately, I couldn't figure out how to make the eraser work, even though I can grab input from it
[09:48] <xliu> nickrud: I have disabled updatedb by removing the corresponding script in /etc/cron.daily/, is that OK?
[09:48] <HappyFool> Tomcat_: where are these screenshots?
[09:48] <MidNightRaVeN> wait... so longhorn is going to have cli more accessable??
[09:48] <GNULinuxer> Tomcat_: where are breezy screenshots?
[09:48] <Tomcat_> Boxes for Services, installer/uninstaller, graphical partitioner, anything! :)
[09:48] <Madpilot> I'm not saying MS's strategy is a good thing - but that's what has happened, I think.
[09:48] <Tomcat_> Wait a sec...
[09:48] <bob2> MidNightRaVeN: no, it's just going to make it suck less
[09:48] <bob2> Madpilot: no, it's not what happened, see above
[09:48] <MidNightRaVeN> bob2: OOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo
[09:49] <nickrud> xliu, sure, that works. Why do want to do that tho, slocate is useful
[09:49] <bob2> Madpilot: making the CLI optional in ubuntu is good, but getting rid of it is fatal
[09:49] <tiglionabbit> All I had to do to make it work was apt-get the wacom packages, modify my xorg.conf, and make a "setserial" command at startup
[09:49] <aarcane> tiglionabbit, lol...  you need software to send the right keystrokes for it...  anyway, how's the hand writing recognition
[09:49] <Whistler> can anybody gimme a link to breezy screens?
[09:49] <Madpilot> bob2: the Longhorn thing? Have MS really re-emphasized the command line?
[09:49] <Seveas> A lot of the power of linux/unix is in the CLI
[09:49] <Tomcat_> Whistler: I'm searching.
[09:49] <Whistler> k
[09:49] <Seveas> I don't want servers/clusters to run gui crap
[09:49] <nickrud> all the power, just not the ease :)
[09:49] <xliu> nickrud: because my laptop is so slow, everytime updatedb runs, lots of cpu time it will take
[09:49] <bob2> Madpilot: again, read what I said,  it's nothing to do with emphasis, it's to do with making it useful
[09:49] <Tomcat_> Whistler, GNULinuxer, HappyFool: http://mitglied.lycos.de/chrizwlz/desktop/linux_workstation/breezy/
[09:49] <HappyFool> ta Tomcat_
[09:50] <bob2> if nothing else, all the people who write the Free software you use use the CLI...get rid of it, and you have no more people writing stuff for you
[09:50] <Tomcat_> To be honest, I'm more interested in the stuff beneath the GUI in breezy. :)
[09:50] <nickrud> xliu, good reason. You can add a line to /etc/cron, which will run, say, at 2:am if you leave the laptop plugged in; if you don't leave it plugged in, it doesn't run
[09:50] <Madpilot> bob2: I haven't been following Longhorn at all - except to make jokes about Windows2010...
[09:50] <MidNightRaVeN> bob2: soooo =/ i installed both bmp and w32codecs in my chroot... but bmp still says it can't recognize that file format??
[09:51] <Seveas> bob2, there are already people cursing the fact that Ubuntu does not install build-essential and emacs by default :)
[09:51] <bob2> MidNightRaVeN: sure, bmp has nothign to do with using windows dlls
[09:51] <poningru> so anyone need help in this chaos?
[09:51] <IIIEars> << Windows frustration #996 - add a new disk and suddenly discover the OS won't reinstall - GAWD Bill Gates Has got to be laughing his A$$ off. - got new drives today.
[09:51] <nickrud> s/plugged in/turned on/
[09:51] <bob2> hah
[09:51] <GNULinuxer> Tomcat_: you must be mad ... it's just stock gnome 2.11
[09:51] <xliu> thanks very much, nickrud, you helped me a lot
[09:51] <HappyFool> heh. interesting logo riff
[09:51] <MidNightRaVeN> bob2: o.... so lol what am i doing with w32codecs then?
[09:51] <Tomcat_> GNULinuxer: I've never seen Stock Gnome 2.11... sorry then. :)
[09:51] <bob2> MidNightRaVeN: if you really care about this sort of thing, it's way easier to just install the i386 version of ubuntu
[09:51] <Seveas> MidNightRaVeN, for mplayer/xine :)
[09:52] <MidNightRaVeN> Seveas: lol kk
[09:52] <GNULinuxer> Tomcat_: and if you think it looks like Win32, it's great for us actually
[09:52] <IIIEars> someone make cedega easier to use so i can finally do everything in linux.
[09:52] <MidNightRaVeN> bob2: i know it's way easier.. but lol i like doing things the hard way ;-) maybe i'll be able to learn more i guess
[09:52] <Tomcat_> GNULinuxer: Yeah, I don't say it's bad looking like Windows... I'm just more interested in the system than the GUI. :)
[09:52] <GNULinuxer> Tomcat_: yep
[09:53] <bob2> MidNightRaVeN: well, install the dchroot package and read it's manpage, I guess
[09:53] <bob2> pretty sure that would work
[09:53] <bob2> hm, you'd need to bind mount /tmp and /home, tho, I guess
[09:53] <IIIEars> << 10 CD's to reinstall windows on a prepackaged PC. - ugh
[09:53] <aarcane> tiglionabbit, how is the handwriting recognition ?
[09:54] <GNULinuxer> Tomcat_: and since I use the exact same theme and icon set, it's all the more same to me :)
[09:54] <Tomcat_> :D
[09:54] <Madpilot> IIIEars: aren't driver disks FUN?
[09:54] <MidNightRaVeN> bob2: real quick question.. what does the -d of "dchroot -d" do?
[09:55] <IIIEars> Madpilot - no control - security cabinet files are locked. - you MUST install it all. - lol
[09:55] <aarcane> MidNightRaVeN, makes you ask about the -d.
[09:55] <nickrud> IIIEars, too many update from win95 :)
[09:55] <Computer__Guru> Does XFCE4 happen to have a utility that will import or convert a kde icon theme?
[09:55] <rendi> !putty
[09:55] <ubotu> I don't know, rendi
[09:55] <nickrud> IIIEars, lol, I mean, updating from a win95 disk, maybe :)
[09:55] <MidNightRaVeN> aarcane: lol i'm so confused now... -d makes me ask about -d....
[09:55] <Madpilot> IIIEars: with XP on this box, it took me about a day and a half of installing & tweaking before it was secure & working
[09:56] <bob2> MidNightRaVeN: it keeps environment variables set, which is a bit hard to explain.  it's like the difference between running the progrm from an existing shell and logging in again from scratch
[09:56] <aarcane> MidNightRaVeN, did you check the man page ?
[09:56] <Madpilot> IIIEars: Ubuntu took half an hour of additional setup. ATI drivers, install Opera, done.
[09:56] <MidNightRaVeN> aarcane: going to do that now =D
[09:56] <aarcane> alright MidNightRaVeN  :)P
[09:56] <Madpilot> *that* converted me to Linux for good... :)
[09:56] <MidNightRaVeN> bob2: kk =)
[09:56] <IIIEars> nickrud - going to build the next one. - who needs 8 "Express" trial apps and 16 trialware games
[09:57] <rendi> guy's can help me
[09:57] <Whistler> i have installed ubuntu in 2 partitions 1 swap and other system now i want to use another partition for home is it possible?
[09:57] <aarcane> bob2, if you have chroot, and the new app, dchroot, why just make one app, and give it the presence of mind to know how it's called..  if called as dchroot then make it act like it, and if called as chroot, then make it act like it ?
[09:57] <tiglionabbit> Whistler, swap is a different format than home should be
[09:57] <nickrud> not me
[09:58] <discord_> come on anybody know how to find the device name for my dvd or if hoary uses devfs?
[09:58] <discord_> it looks like it doesnt use devfs
[09:58] <Whistler> i know but can i create another partition and use it for home?
[09:58] <IIIEars> lspci -l  ??
[09:58] <discord_> its usb
[09:58] <tiglionabbit> Whistler, besides, swap shouldn't be more than 1 gig anyway...    You can resize partitions though
[09:58] <spiral> discord_: /dev/dvd ?
[09:58] <MidNightRaVeN> =/ anyone think if i get a book about Linux... it'll help me become less newby-ish? or will it just be a waist of money....
[09:58] <discord_> spiral thats a guess
[09:58] <spiral> discord_: uses udev
[09:58] <poningru> MidNightRaVeN: try the library
[09:58] <aarcane> MidNightRaVeN, waste of moneyh
[09:59] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN, use the internet
[09:59] <bob2> aarcane: you could do that
[09:59] <Madpilot> MidNightRaVeN: spring for one of the OReilly books...
[09:59] <tiglionabbit> it's much more up to date than a book
[09:59] <rendi> i'm install grub on floopy now i want to copy that grub into hda2 where my ubuntu sit, my xp sit on hda1 any one help me ?
[09:59] <IIIEars> the internet has more info
[09:59] <bob2> aarcane: but they're both so small, there wouldn't be much point
[09:59] <spiral> discord_: an usb dvd ? /dev/sdsmth ?
[09:59] <aarcane> MidNightRaVeN, waste of time to read even, very few things are even up to date in the newest of books....
[09:59] <tiglionabbit> http://nick-zap.home.comcast.net/stuff/unix.html   <-- simple unix manual, I read this when I was a newbie
[09:59] <tiglionabbit> oops, .pdf
[09:59] <bob2> aarcane: dchroot's newer, too; it was written to make chroots easy to use on debian.org devel machines
[09:59] <aarcane> MidNightRaVeN, if you want to learn about Linux, the best way is hands on..
[09:59] <HappyFool> www.tldp.org has lots of linux stuff, some a bit dated
[10:00] <aarcane> bob2, so dchroot is basically a chroot -d ?
[10:00] <tiglionabbit> Or you could apt-get the Rute Book
[10:00] <rendi> any one help me pls
[10:00] <IIIEars> << 12th week with linux - Yaay!
[10:00] <MidNightRaVeN> aarcane: that's what i was kinda thinking.... just wasn't sure if there was something more i could do to maybe take the load off the community without all my nonsense questions :-)
[10:00] <nickrud> MidNightRaVeN, get a decent bash book, it's the one hardcopy I've actually used more than once
[10:00] <HappyFool> rendi: what do you mean /dev/hda2 ?
[10:00] <bob2> aarcane: my 'chroot' command doesn't have a -d flag
[10:01] <IIIEars> sed, awk and grep are amazing! ;)
[10:01] <aarcane> MidNightRaVeN, google, man, and try to idle in more than one linux based channel..  spread the load around a bit
[10:01] <rendi> my 2 partition
[10:01] <HappyFool> rendi: as far as i know, grub is installed to '/dev/hda'  -- i.e., to the mbr of the disk
[10:01] <rendi> where my ubuntu sit on it
[10:01] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN, rute book, it's on synaptic, in html format
[10:01] <rendi> cause i'm instal grub on floppy
[10:01] <MidNightRaVeN> tiglionabbit: rute book? what is that?
[10:01] <HappyFool> rendi: hang on
[10:01] <rendi> now i wanna change it to my linux partition
[10:01] <nickrud> just tell me about pipes, and building simple scripts. You gurus can keep awk and sed :)
[10:02] <rendi> my 1st partition it's for xp
[10:02] <emanuelez> havr anybody noticed that many scientific apps have wrong md5 values and can't be installed?
[10:02] <Madpilot> MidNightRaVeN: search Synaptic for 'rute'. just found it myself...
[10:02] <bwb> rniIce: prolly lot more traffic in this channel
[10:02] <IIIEars> rendi - grab a usb thumb drive if your bios can boot it. - much larger and faster
[10:02] <aarcane> nickrud, pipes are this --> |
[10:02] <Madpilot> !usrepos
[10:02] <ubotu> it has been said that usrepos is if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:02] <nickrud> :)
[10:02] <Flannol`> hi, just wondering... does ubuntu run windows programs like mirc.exe? ..and msn, etc
[10:02] <MidNightRaVeN> Madpilot: kk =)
[10:02] <HappyFool> rendi: look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[10:02] <bob2> emanuelez: /topic, us.archive.ubuntu.com is screwed
[10:02] <Madpilot> emanuelez: check what ubotu just posted
[10:02] <rendi> ok
[10:02] <rendi> i will check it
[10:02] <bob2> Flannol`: it can run some, yeah
[10:03] <bob2> Flannol`: generally you just run native linux programs, tho
[10:03] <Flannol`> ahh ok, (sorry for the questions) what about Steam, and anything java-driven?
[10:03] <HappyFool> Flannol`: you can maybe use wine for that; but there are native substitutes for mirc (x-chat) and msn (to an extent -- gaim)
[10:03] <rniIce> bwb:yea this one's quite larger
[10:03] <emanuelez> Madpilot: i can't find it
[10:03] <Flannol`> hmm
[10:04] <aarcane> nickrud, I have a simple script for you to run that demonstrates the use of pipes:  :(){ :|:& };: <-- see the | in there ?  don't actually run it, but yeah, that's one of their many uses
[10:04] <MidNightRaVeN> since i should idle in on other linux based channels... any suggestions which one?
[10:04] <HappyFool> Flannol`: java can be done; i don't know about steam
[10:04] <bob2> Flannol`: there are native java implementioans for linux, no need to run the windows one
[10:04] <Madpilot> emanuelez: here:  "it has been said that usrepos is if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror. Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list"
[10:04] <bob2> Flannol`: steam doesn't work as far as I know
[10:04] <aarcane> MidNightRaVeN, ##linux, #linuxhelp, #emotion, etc...
[10:04] <bob2> Flannol`: you can reboot to windows to play games, if that's important to you
[10:04] <bwb> rniIce: yeah
[10:04] <mythbinder> I'm having Install Problems
[10:04] <MidNightRaVeN> aarcane: thx =)
[10:04] <aarcane> Flannol`, steam works flawlessly in Cedega for me
[10:05] <bob2> MidNightRaVeN: if you're going to go to other channels for help, tho, bear in mind they often won't know ubuntu specifics, and can sometimes give advice that's kinda bad to follow on ubuntu
[10:05] <Flannol`> bob2 how big is the OS (on harddisk space) with all the programs it installs? i only have 20gb not sure if i can have a multiboot
[10:05] <nickrud> aarcane, I do use pipes, and was parrotting someone else who was advocating them as one of the first tools to learn about :)
[10:05] <bob2> Flannol`: 1.8GB for the default install
[10:05] <IIIEars> Cedega is nice - but you have to be patient to get results with it. not a one click install usually.
[10:05] <aarcane> nickrud, sorry..  bad night for me, I'm a bit behind..
[10:05] <MidNightRaVeN> bob2: will keep in mind. I'll probably just go to float around there and see what I can pick up and such
[10:06] <Flannol`> hmm ok thanks :] 
[10:06] <rendi> dude how to mount floppy
[10:06] <rendi> !mount
[10:06] <ubotu> methinks mount is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[10:06] <aarcane> MidNightRaVeN, chill in the first and third I listed, I'm in them, and if I see any ubuntu nonos, I'll smack you with a penguin plushie
[10:06] <HappyFool> rendi: you said you booted from floppy?
[10:06] <IIIEars> ubotu you are a genius. ;)
[10:06] <ubotu> IIIEars: I think you lost me on that one
[10:06] <mythbinder> Can anyone Help me with Teh Installation Of Ubuntu? Its freezing Up on the Configuring Apt screen
[10:06] <IIIEars> lol
[10:06] <MidNightRaVeN> aarcane: lol
[10:06] <rendi> yes HappyFool
[10:07] <rendi> my grub sit on floppy
[10:07] <tiglionabbit> ubuntu has a "configuring apt" screen on the installation?
[10:07] <nickrud> aarcane, np, it bears repeating
[10:07] <aarcane> mythbinder, you insert the CD, it runs
[10:07] <bob2> rendi: mounting a boot image isn't very useful
[10:07] <rendi> if i lost my floopy i lost my ubuntu too :(
[10:07] <MidNightRaVeN> thx for all the help peeps!! =) =D =) I would die in Ubuntu if it were for you people!!!!!
[10:07] <HappyFool> rendi: so you are right now running ubuntu?
[10:07] <rendi> yes
[10:07] <mythbinder> I insert the CD go thru Partitioning and several other screens
[10:07] <rendi> i'm running ubuntu now but my grub on floppy
[10:08] <mythbinder> Get to Configuring Apt screen it freezes at 25%
[10:08] <tiago> hi guys
[10:08] <aarcane> mythbinder, yes, none of them are anything to ph34r
[10:08] <emanuelez> thx a lot... it seems to work now
[10:08] <bob2> rendi: just install grub to your MBR already
[10:08] <tiago> can some one plz tell me how to make a directory in konsole?
[10:08] <nickrud> tiago, mkdir <dir>
[10:08] <tiglionabbit> tiago, mkdir
[10:08] <aarcane> mythbinder, hrrm..  did you verify your CD after burning it ?
[10:08] <rendi> any suggest for me or something ?
[10:08] <HappyFool> rendi: ok. what does /boot/grub/e2fs_stage1_5 say?
[10:09] <tiago> thanx xD
[10:09] <HappyFool> rendi: sorry
[10:09] <mythbinder> sayz Setting Up Primary installation repository at bottom, Yes I did Verify
[10:09] <HappyFool> rendi: ok. what does ls /boot/grub/e2fs_stage1_5 say?
[10:09] <bob2> rendi: why are you still screwing around with floppy disks after a week?
[10:09] <HappyFool> bob2: you reckon it'll be ok just to run 'update-grub' ?
[10:09] <rendi> i just installed for 2 hours
[10:09] <IceDC571> hmm.. now that torrentspy doesnt work, could someone reccomend a good torrent site for me?
[10:09] <rendi> i'm still googling now too
[10:10] <bob2> er, copyright-violating torrent sites are off-topic here
[10:10] <mythbinder> Its the DVD Install/Live Disc, I had the dl/ checked after it was done and verified the burn after it was done,
[10:10] <tiago> another question how do i mount fstab again?
[10:10] <IIIEars> there was a big international law enforcement crackdown on torrent sites last week
[10:10] <tiago> i just edited fstab and i wana mount the newly added partitions
[10:10] <mythbinder> Actually useing the Live boot off said disc as we speak, Xp Boot is fubared currently
[10:10] <IceDC571> well im searching torrent sites for knoppix
[10:11] <IceDC571> 4.0
[10:11] <nickrud> tiago, then just mount /mnt/point should work
[10:11] <aarcane> mythbinder, the dual mode DVD ?
[10:11] <rendi> hmm ok hot to tell m$ for boot to linux
[10:11] <nickrud> tiago, mount -a for mounting everything in /etc/fstab
[10:11] <tiago> sweet
[10:11] <HappyFool> rendi: my guess is to run 'update-grub' and 'grub-install /dev/hda'
[10:11] <tiago> thats what i wanted
[10:11] <rendi> i mean how
[10:11] <bob2> IceDC571: http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=02743#0
[10:11] <HappyFool> rendi: that should make grub know about windows, and then install grub as your boot-manager
[10:11] <bob2> IceDC571: shockingly, the first hit on google for "knoppix 4.0 torrents"
[10:11] <IIIEars> IceDC571 - "Knoppix"? - ya should'a quit while ya were ahead. - wide grin
[10:12] <rendi> oh but i don't wanna instal my grub on mbr HappyFool cause if i format my xp my grub lost too
[10:12] <nickrud> I lost my knoppix recovery disk, and am down to lnx-bbc. I do wish I had a good connection back.
[10:12] <mythbinder> The DVD ISO Listed on this Page http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/
[10:12] <bob2> rendi: are you really reformatting windows that often?
[10:12] <_one_> rendi WHATS YOUR QUESTION
[10:12] <HappyFool> rendi: then you just reinstall grub again
[10:12] <rendi> yes bob
[10:13] <_one_> DONT REINSTALL
[10:13] <mythbinder> Intel x86 Install/Live DVD
[10:13] <_one_> DYH
[10:13] <bob2> rendi: why?
[10:13] <rendi> i have instal on /dev/hda2 but it's not working so im instal on floppy
[10:13] <HappyFool> _one_: please don't shout
[10:13] <aarcane> mythbinder, did you verify the disk after you burned it ?
[10:13] <IceDC571> bob2: wow... im speechless... i didnt notice it was released to the public now
[10:13] <bob2> _one_: please chill out if you don't know what people are discussing
[10:13] <_one_> shout
[10:13] <mythbinder> Yes I did Used Nero 6
[10:13] <rendi> cause m$ is suck bob :) many virus out of there
[10:13] <_one_> I do your telling them the wrong thing to do
[10:13] <aarcane> mythbinder, dunno then, sorry
[10:14] <_one_> poser
[10:14] <nickrud> lol
[10:14] <bob2> _one_: please stop it
[10:14] <IIIEars> system rescue cd isn't as intuitive as knoppix but it does what knoppix does with a smaller D/L http://www.sysresccd.org/
[10:14] <HappyFool> rendi: it sounds like you are making life difficult for yourself; just find out how to reinstall grub after installing windows, and make that part of your 'windows reinstallation' process
[10:14] <rendi> hehehe
[10:15] <nickrud> rendi, I think you want grub-install
[10:15] <_one_> newbs
[10:15] <_one_> ha
[10:15] <_one_> ha
[10:15] <IIIEars> you might use the ntloader and a "boot.lnx" file. - a little extra work now a lot of saved time later.
[10:15] <IceDC571> hmm.. how do i get my friend to switch to openoffice from officexp?
[10:16] <mythbinder> Guess its too Xp recovery for for me then, unless theers a way to get the Boot loader functioning manually from the Live run
[10:16] <rendi> i wanna reinstal it but i'm still update
[10:16] <nickrud> IceDC571, not much, especially if it
[10:16] <Madpilot> IceDC571: point out that OO is free?
[10:16] <nickrud> came with the box for free
[10:16] <Belutz> i just installed webmin, how do i access it from the browser? what's the default url?
[10:17] <IceDC571> nickrud: well they've got "copies" for free lol...
[10:17] <aarcane> IceDC571, sit him down in front of openoffice..  tell him it's XP, later tell him j00 lie
[10:17] <IIIEars> lol
[10:17] <IceDC571> ive got an idea
[10:17] <nickrud> IceDC571, tell them about the microsoft militia
[10:17] <IceDC571> i'll rename it to office 2006
[10:17] <aarcane> Madpilot, oxp is free, too...  like beer tho, not speech
[10:18] <troglodyt> Belutz https://localhost:10000
[10:18] <IceDC571> anyone have an idea of how i could rename openoffice to office 2005 or something like it?
[10:18] <rendi> hey dude
[10:18] <rendi> check this out wha happen
[10:18] <rendi> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/universe/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[10:18] <rendi> Reading package lists... Done
[10:18] <rendi> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[10:18] <tiglionabbit> IceDC571, it would be hard, because of the splashscreen and such...
[10:18] <IceDC571> lol i could change the source i guess
[10:18] <Belutz> troglodyt: thx :)
[10:18] <HappyFool> use sed to s/openoffice/Office 2005/g on the openoffice source code, and recompile
[10:18] <Razor-X> I have a fever ;)
[10:18] <HappyFool> rendi: try again
[10:19] <HappyFool> Razor-X: doh!
[10:19] <Razor-X> HappyFool: or s/openoffice/Office 2005/
[10:19] <IIIEars> "OXP"? - do you have a link?
[10:19] <tiglionabbit> HappyFool, splash screen?
[10:19] <Bubbling_Zombie> hi kids ^-^
[10:19] <mythbinder> Anyway to Install and configure Boot Loader from with in the Live DVD load?
[10:19] <HappyFool> tiglionabbit: draw on it with crayons with Gimp :P
[10:19] <aarcane> IIIEars, www.microsoft.com/office ?
[10:19] <action09> hi all
[10:19] <IceDC571> tiglionabbit: i think the splash screen is easy, not part of the source code
[10:19] <IIIEars> Ah - okay. - lol
[10:19] <tiglionabbit> !restore
[10:19] <ubotu> Wish i knew, tiglionabbit
[10:19] <aarcane> IIIEars, lol
[10:19] <Madpilot> IIIEars: think he means Office XP...
[10:19] <IceDC571> lol are we talking about xp... restore?
[10:20] <tiglionabbit> !recover
[10:20] <ubotu> I heard recover is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[10:20] <aarcane> Madpilot, lol, of course..
[10:20] <Madpilot> aarcane: and it's "free" like beer -sure- after you've paid insane amounts of $$$ for the beer case... :)
[10:21] <IceDC571> i love gnome bittorrent, simple yet effective.. none of that fancy bloat
[10:21] <mythbinder> hhm How do you execute That? I tried the run command from menu cant find either of those
[10:21] <aarcane> Madpilot, never paid a penny for it
[10:21] <IceDC571> well there are free microsoft apps, trials for up to 180 days.. im sure someone will get sick of it before their time is up
[10:22] <Madpilot> aarcane: XP? not supposed to admit that here, y'know...
[10:22] <Belutz> troglodyt: what's the default root password?
[10:22] <Bubbling_Zombie> use sudo Belutz
[10:22] <IceDC571> Madpilot: athlon xp, athlon xp.... Athlon XP!!!
[10:22] <Bubbling_Zombie> and your own pasword
[10:22] <HappyFool> mythbinder: have you read that wiki URL (RecoveringUbuntu....) ?
[10:22] <troglodyt> Belutz think it's blank fisrt time
[10:22] <Belutz> Bubbling_Zombie: i'm using webmin
[10:23] <Madpilot> IceDC571: those are very nice chips. I'm using an XP-M right now. not all "XP" branded stuff is junk...
[10:23] <HappyFool> Belutz: maybe you need to set it using 'sudo passwd root' or something -- or look at the webmin config
[10:23] <aarcane> Madpilot, no harm in admitting the mistakes our 1337 sk1llz have enabled us to make...  as long as we don't share the steps and materials to make those mistakes
[10:23] <tiglionabbit> hehe, I get a bunch of microsoft stuff for free because I'm a CS student
[10:24] <nickrud> Belutz, you must have a valid root password to use webadmin, sudo is not sufficient
[10:24] <jadugar> hey, has anyone here upgraded to tomboy .3.2 sucessfully in hoary?
[10:24] <IceDC571> Madpilot: im planning to get a linux box for around $300, im sure you're familar with the XP-M chips.. what shall i get?
[10:24] <Belutz> HappyFool: where's the webmin config file?
[10:24] <HappyFool> Belutz: not a clue! look in /usr/share/doc/webmin, or try 'dpkg -L webmin' to find out
[10:24] <tiglionabbit> I didn't even realize it, but pow, any version of windows, and pretty much anything that microsoft makes, mine free!  woo.  Only problem is now I mostly use linux =P
[10:25] <aarcane> tiglionabbit, install Linux on all the CS computers at school, lol
[10:25] <IceDC571> Madpilot: where are you at?
[10:25] <Tim__> Anyone running Linux using an ATI Rage 128 Video card with TV output?
[10:25] <mythbinder> happyfool, Just did Unfortunately I understoon none of it
[10:25] <Madpilot> IceDC571: $300 USD? See if you can't find a 2500+.
[10:26] <Madpilot> IceDC571: Canada. BC.
[10:26] <mythbinder> Complete Ubuntu Noob here i din expect such a disastrous install after the Live Booted up flawlessly
[10:26] <poningru> mythbinder: whats wrong?
[10:26] <IceDC571> Madpilot: do those XP-M's still have unlocked multipliers?
[10:26] <HappyFool> mythbinder: maybe you can just reinstall?
[10:26] <Bubbling_Zombie> or try to fix your current install -_-
[10:27] <Bubbling_Zombie> you might pick up some useful knowledge along the way
[10:27] <Madpilot> IceDC571: AFAIK, yes. my OC's quite happily. 1.8 stock, currently running at 2.0
[10:27] <HappyFool> some people just want working systems *shrug*
[10:27] <mythbinder> The Install Freezes at Configuring Apt, 25%, Setting Up primary installation repository.. I've tried it 5 times now
[10:27] <Bubbling_Zombie> HappyFool, bleh, where's the fun in that
[10:27] <HappyFool> mythbinder: ok, i'm sure someone asked this, but have you checked the CD using md5sum ?
[10:27] <Madpilot> IceDC571: I think it was the regular XP CPUs that got locked
[10:27] <nickrud> mythbinder, have you checked to be sure the cd was written correctlyl
[10:27] <HappyFool> mythbinder: this can be done in windows, as far as i know
[10:28] <Madpilot> IceDC571: XPM are actually laptop CPUs by design, they can't be locked (power conservation)
[10:28] <mythbinder> No I checked the Download after it was complete and had Nero check the burn after it was done wher is mdsum5?
[10:28] <HappyFool> mythbinder: how did you check the download?
[10:29] <IceDC571> Madpilot: yep.. as for memory, im not doing anything really productive.. do you think 512mb is enough?
[10:29] <nickrud> mythbinder, you can get md5sum.exe off the net for windows
[10:29] <mythbinder> Azurous sp? the Torrent Client has a right cli9ck verify
[10:29] <aarcane> mythbinder, azureus
[10:29] <HappyFool> mythbinder: hmm
[10:30] <mythbinder> Cant boot windows rigth now just the Live DVD heh XP Boot is fubared also
[10:30] <IceDC571> real linux users use the terminal.. hah
[10:30] <HappyFool> mythbinder: doh
[10:30] <Madpilot> IceDC571: can you squeeze 1Gb out of your budget?
[10:30] <Madpilot> the more RAM the merrier...
[10:30] <IceDC571> okay
[10:31] <Madpilot> IceDC571: /msg me, this is getting off topic
[10:31] <nickrud> I can say from recent experience that 512 is much better than 256 :)
[10:31] <HappyFool> mythbinder: i recommend going in the mount directory of the cd/dvd, and running 'md5sum -c md5sum.txt'  -- it should report any files that are bad
[10:31] <Madpilot> ...and 1Gb beats heck out of 512...
[10:31] <mythbinder> Bah I can recover XP NP..   I hope anyway I made sure not to mess with that partition during any of the install attemtps so recovery should be simple
[10:31] <HappyFool> mythbinder: you should be able to do this from a terminal in the live dvd
[10:31] <nickrud> I would assume so
[10:32] <IceDC571> lol Madpilot what the hell are you running that needs 1gb of ram?
[10:32] <aarcane> nickrud, I am currently stuck with a mere 512, I'm looking to upgrade to about 2 gig, 'cause I've had the same 512 for about 5 years
[10:32] <IceDC571> i had 1gb of ram before, i never used it
[10:32] <HappyFool> mythbinder: yeah, you should be able to recover XP with 'fixmbr' or something on the Win CD
[10:32] <IceDC571> well.. until i ran OS X on windows... it ate up all my ram
[10:32] <Madpilot> IceDC571: Ubuntu seems quite happy to play in a 1Gb box! XP too...
[10:33] <IIIEars> XP especially - nearly 130 megs used idling - geez
[10:33] <nickrud> aarcane, 512 is so far not getting into swap, under my normal usage. I'm happy :)
[10:34] <mythbinder> OK opened terminal
[10:34] <aarcane> nickrud, I find myself running out very often..  I need very much 4 to 8 times the ram
[10:34] <IIIEars> add spyware and anti virus protection and a registry monitor (life support apps) and there is no ram left for anything useful
[10:35] <nickrud> aarcane, I just use this thing for office stuff mostly. Also, I haven't really run it long enough to get a lot of apps open at once. I'll see then.
[10:35] <IIIEars> well okay, you could add webshots desktop before windows began to flog the swapfile
[10:35] <Xyc0> I'm playing with BeepMP, anyone else using it?
[10:36] <aarcane> nickrud, over a month uptime average..  would be more, but i have to do "business" in windows
[10:37] <Xyc0> ie games
[10:37] <IIIEars> heh
[10:37] <aarcane> nickrud, I have the computer doing massive numbers of things at a time.. steam, diablo 2, firefox, gaim, xchat, gcc...
[10:37] <Xyc0> tho all my games work in linux now
[10:37] <nickrud> aarcane, 3 hrs 37 min, the longest it's run yet :)
[10:37] <aarcane> Xyc0, linux game
[10:37] <aarcane> r
[10:38] <Xyc0> Guild Wars works!!!!
[10:38] <Xyc0> :D
[10:38] <Xyc0> cedega is an awsome thing
[10:38] <aarcane> Xyc0, the only thing I can't do in Linux about 30 times better than in windows is Webcam
[10:38] <IIIEars> it's amazing how much power there is without a hundred life support apps and services running. - grin
[10:38] <tombs> hi ppl
[10:38] <tony> hi tombs /hi ppl
[10:38] <tombs> :)
[10:39] <aarcane> IIIEars, exactly
[10:39] <mythbinder> happyfool: OK I think I got that done must be busy doing it just gave me a curser
[10:39] <Xyc0> aarcane: Who wants to see your ugly face anyways :D j/k
[10:39] <aarcane> time to go put this webcam aside, my girlfriend is getting jealous that the lappy is in my lap more than she is
[10:39] <aarcane> erm..  s/webcam/laptop/
[10:40] <Xyc0> in bash come on :D
[10:40] <aarcane> lol
[10:40] <IIIEars> << 1.5 ghz 380 mbs ram boots to a useable desktop faster than 2.8ghz 760mbs ram. - rofl
[10:40] <Madpilot> IIIEars: nice, isn't it? makes setup far easier too!
[10:41] <aarcane> I'm using Linux, I now use both Ubuntu and Gentoo, depending on the situation, and I DO have a girlfriend, and I DO get some..  so Nyah!!
[10:41] <Xyc0> ... un important
[10:41] <poningru> aarcane: yeah right
[10:41] <Xyc0> sex is overrated, untill you arnt getting any
[10:41] <Belutz> how do i edit the grub config file?
[10:41] <Xyc0> like air
[10:41] <aarcane> poningru, she's kicking me off now
[10:42] <poningru> Xyc0: just like everything in life
[10:42] <aarcane> poningru, she keeps slapping me for sharing my "business" with the whole ubuntu communi--  ow!
[10:42] <dam> hey! just installed Ubuntu Linux 5.04: The Hoary Hedgehog Release
[10:42] <Xyc0> I co0uld do without this $500 speeding ticket
[10:42] <aarcane> dam, congrats, what are you going to do now ?
[10:42] <dam> it didnt ask me during setup for a admin password
[10:42] <Xyc0> dam: yey
[10:43] <tony> dam : how do u like it?
[10:43] <poningru> Xyc0: ok just like everything worhtwhile in life
[10:43] <dam> whats the admin password?
[10:43] <Xyc0> dam: we use sudo instead
[10:43] <aarcane> dam, sudo passwd
[10:43] <tony> dam : i cant tell u :)
[10:43] <Xyc0> dam: sudo <commands>
[10:43] <Xyc0> dam: then you use the users pwd
[10:43] <Xyc0> password
[10:44] <Tomasu> I was thinking about trying kubuntu out.. and I was wondering how difficult is it to setup software raid? (not for boot/os, just a few disks for data.) Are there any docs specific to ubuntu and software raid?
[10:44] <Xyc0> pwd... gotta stop using that abbrev
[10:44] <aarcane> dam, alot of the users use sudo, but it is still very important to know the damn password for when you get a single sulogin prompt and need to haxx at your fstab,..
[10:44] <dam> yeah. but.... i want to click on synaptic package manager. it asks me for a PASS
[10:44] <Xyc0> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[10:44] <aarcane> Tomasu, nothing about it is distro specific
[10:44] <Xyc0> ?
[10:44] <dam> how do i change password or reset it?
[10:44] <aarcane> dam, that's your users password
[10:45] <dam> oh!
[10:45] <eyequeue> dam:  rhat is YOUR password
[10:45] <Tomasu> aarcane, maybe I'm just used to gentoo's awsome wiki and forums ;)
[10:45] <aarcane> dam, you should set a root password using sudo passwd, and remember it just in case, but for teh most part, sudo is j00r friend
[10:45] <Xyc0> ubuntu's wiki is pretty good
[10:45] <dam> walla!
[10:45] <dam> so not knowing the admin password is OK?
[10:45] <eyequeue> dam:  you can change your password with the passwd command
[10:45] <aarcane> Tomasu, I know what you mean, I haven't found jack crap on the ubuntu wiki without a link to it
[10:46] <Xyc0> Gentoo is for people with way too much time on their hands
[10:46] <eyequeue> aarcane:  it's bad advice to tell him to set a root password
[10:46] <aarcane> dam, no, you should always know your root password..  anyone gets on your PC, and knows it, say byebye to any chance of security
[10:46] <eyequeue> dam:  there should not BE an "admin password" in ubuntu
[10:46] <Tomasu> Xyc0, doesnt take that much time with a little tweaking and pre setup (aka: several distcc boxes ;))
[10:46] <Xyc0> its randomly genorated, what do you mean?
[10:46] <aarcane> eyequeue, It's bad advice to NOT set a root password
[10:46] <iXiiON> hello , i m going to install ubuntu/kbuntu but i have an old pc and want to know the more about the system requirements but didnt found something about this
[10:47] <eyequeue> aarcane:  wrong, this is ubuntu
[10:47] <Xyc0> iXiiON: what do you got?
[10:47] <eyequeue> aarcane:  there is a reason there is no root password in ubuntu, kindly don't spew bad security advice in here
[10:47] <IIIEars> passwords aren't any real security - it would be weak not to have them but buffer overflows are the real weak link now.
[10:47] <iXiiON> p3 550 mhz 256mb ram 20gb hdd
[10:47] <dam> alright.... so do i need to know it? install didnt ask me for one
[10:47] <Bubbling_Zombie> iXiiON, depends. to run the basic ubuntu system you don't have to have a powerhouse. Using a mildly-powerhoused computer is nice if you want to install gnome/kde tho
[10:47] <Xyc0> iXiiON: your good
[10:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> but that should suffice ^-^
[10:48] <Xyc0> iXiiON: are you putting Ubuntu on the whole drive?
[10:48] <eyequeue> dam:  there is none, and that is intentional, a security feature of ubuntu
[10:48] <iXiiON> can i run kbuntu on this system smoothly ?
[10:48] <aarcane> eyequeue, so what is your reason for not having the root account properly secured ?
[10:48] <dam> ok, sweet
[10:48] <dam> well im loving it so far
[10:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> iXiiON, sure. Just don't expect too much eyecandy tho.
[10:48] <dam> hopefully ubuntu is going to be my server!
[10:48] <Xyc0> eyequeue: yes there is one, its randomly genorated
[10:48] <iluciv> hi
[10:48] <eyequeue> aarcane:  "properly secured"?  it's properly secure by NOT enabling it
[10:48] <eyequeue> Xyc0:  that is false
[10:48] <IIIEars> the newer processors have a "No Execute" marker in ram that should buy some time gainst hackers for awhile.
[10:48] <concept10> eyequeue, The reason is to get people to use sudo instead of root account, there is nothing wrong with having a root account
[10:49] <Xyc0> ITS RANDOMLY GENERATED!!!!!
[10:49] <eyequeue> Xyc0:  that is false
[10:49] <iluciv> how does one uninstall the nvidia drivers (the ones from nvidia.com)
[10:49] <Xyc0> look up the pwd if you want
[10:49] <Bubbling_Zombie> don't caps on us !
[10:49] <iXiiON> okay thanks for your help i will try and see :)
[10:49] <Xyc0> unless you changed it
[10:49] <aarcane> eyequeue, sudo gedit the right file in /etc/pam and you can type in root at the console prompt, and voila, you're in
[10:49] <dam> can anyone recommend a good download manager for ubuntu?
[10:49] <eyequeue> aarcane:  anyone with physical acess is "in" anyway, of course
[10:50] <Xyc0> dam: what network?
[10:50] <IIIEars> dam - a web crawler app might work to d/l links
[10:50] <syquest> salut
[10:51] <Xyc0> at ease
[10:51] <Xyc0> two!
[10:51] <iluciv> anyone??
[10:51] <dam> Xyc0, something like getright... queable and sheduling.
[10:51] <poningru> yeah its too hard to block physical access attacks
[10:52] <Xyc0> dam: http://ubuntuguide.org/#d4x
[10:52] <aarcane> eyequeue, too true..  well, on my home PC, that's not true..  I have a 3x character long root password, and linked sudo to /usr/bin/nothing.  I did some reasearch, and when I get home, I'm going to get a USB key to bypass the root pass or use sudo, but for now, I'm perfectly secure since noone knows that pass but me
[10:52] <eyequeue> Xyc0:  we aren't supposed to recomend ubuntuguide
[10:53] <linukso> Does anyone here know what has happend to backports.ubuntuforums.org?
[10:53] <IIIEars> dam - "kget" seems well regarded. haven't tried it.
[10:53] <Xyc0> aarcane: there is a project that uses USB drives as keys to your computer
[10:53] <Xyc0> aarcane: donno what its called tho
[10:53] <iluciv> no worries just found readme
[10:53] <poningru> eyequeue: why not?
[10:53] <eyequeue> linukso:  did you read the site? (http)
[10:53] <Bubbling_Zombie> poningru, it just gives you a sets of commands
[10:53] <Bubbling_Zombie> without explaining them
[10:53] <Xyc0> eyequeue: Dev's are not supposed to
[10:53] <aarcane> Xyc0, yeah..  too lazy to look it up, but I can make it work in like 30 seconds by writing the bloody C code myself and compiling a PAM module
[10:53] <eyequeue> !ubuntuguide
[10:53] <ubotu> somebody said ubuntuguide was a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[10:54] <eyequeue> Xyc0:  see ubotu
[10:54] <Xyc0> um no
[10:54] <Tomasu> hmm.. I take it the "new" debian installer (or at least a graphical front end for it) isn't quite working yet? I remember a couple-few years ago when I was still on debian it seemed to be going well :o
[10:54] <Xyc0> I really don't care, its a great guide
[10:54] <linukso> eyequeue: eh, I get no reply from http://backports.ubuntuforums.org...
[10:54] <Xyc0> it gets to the damned point
[10:54] <Bubbling_Zombie> Tomasu, if you're talking about the installer that comes with sarge.
[10:54] <Bubbling_Zombie> it works
[10:55] <eyequeue> Xappe:  you've been asked not to give bad advice here
[10:55] <eyequeue> Xyc0:
[10:55] <Xyc0> you missed
[10:55] <eyequeue> wtf is happening to this channel? :(
[10:55] <Madpilot> dam: Opera's download manager is far superior to Firefox's....
[10:55] <qt2> tried to manually install firefox 1.0.5... "DLError: libxpcom.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" during install... might that be the reason its been locking  up?
[10:55] <Xyc0> sad
[10:55] <qt2> err... i mean...
[10:56] <qt2> *blinks* nevermind.
[10:56] <Tomasu> Bubbling_Zombie,  Well, I could be, but Its a shame ubuntu isn't using it ;) a nice graphical installer would be nice ;) wouldn't it be nice if I can use the word "nice" a few more times? :o
[10:56] <Xyc0> too big
[10:56] <Xyc0> takes too much space on a disk
[10:56] <Bubbling_Zombie> Tomasu, it looks like the ubuntu installer <_<
[10:56] <oliwel> Hi Guys -easy and might be stupid question- is there a graphical ssh client in ubuntu (such like kssh on kde)
[10:56] <IIIEars> Be good to eacr guys. if you want surly there is always freenode #debian. - lol
[10:57] <eruin> is it possible to get a list of xkb keymaps ?
[10:57] <Madpilot> seems like they get pretty snarly over on #linux, too...
[10:57] <poningru> oliwel: there is gftp
[10:57] <oliwel> poningru:ssh not ftp...
[10:57] <Tomasu> Bubbling_Zombie, um, the "new" installer actually supports pluggable interfaces and platforms.. ie: a nice graphical interface is possible...
[10:58] <poningru> oliwel: it handles ssh, ssh2 etc.
[10:58] <Bubbling_Zombie> ow Tomasu , didn't know that.
[10:58] <poningru> oh wait only ssh2
[10:58] <poningru> well I would just use the terminal
[10:58] <Bubbling_Zombie> don't see the use of it actually but still, it's nice
[10:58] <poningru> ssh username@host
[10:58] <Xyc0> New users learn by doing, not reading through pages of "explanations" that never really address the ideas of practicality that Linux is so missing.  ubuntuguide.org gives healthy examples of how to WORK with Linux.
[10:59] <Xyc0> my rant for the day
[10:59] <oliwel> poningru- yes I know ssh on the konsole but I'd to manage around 100 machines...
[10:59] <poningru> oliwel: well you can just start up kssh
[11:00] <Tomasu> I saw a script that automated multiple ssh connections.. you just worked with an interface that looks like one ssh command prompt, and it sends out the commands to all the connected hosts.. cant recall the name though :(
[11:00] <poningru> just use apt it will take care of it
[11:00] <Bubbling_Zombie> Xyc0, but when they get explanations they actually _know_ *gasp* what they're doing. And they'll apply it later in other situations.
[11:00] <oliwel> poningru: how di I install kssh on ubuntu -  I havenot found an entry in the package manager
[11:00] <poningru> hmm let me see
[11:01] <oliwel> poningru: I am new to debian based systems - so "apt -geh kssh? "
[11:01] <IIIEars> Ubuntuguide isn't 100% correct but it is concise
[11:01] <icn_> is ubuntu any good
[11:01] <poningru> hmm you are right its not in a package
[11:01] <poningru> so you cant do apt-get
[11:02] <Bubbling_Zombie> icn_, what do you expect to get if you ask that kind of question on #ubuntu
[11:02] <kalve> what should i use to configure wifi?
[11:02] <icn_> biased answers maybe
[11:02] <oliwel> poingru: im not addicted to kssh but i am looking for a cute solution to nt type my IPs/Hostnames all day
[11:02] <Xyc0> Bubbling_Zombie: Nothing is wrong with explanations, I wish the author of UG.org would provide links for explanations.  But when users come here, all the usually need is a quick command to get things rolling.
[11:02] <qt2> Bubbling_Zombie, however, when the run a command and see how the stshem reacts, they learn how the systhem reacts, its teaching through action vs teaching through explanation.
[11:02] <Tomasu> icn_, I havent even installed it yet, but it looks promising ;)
[11:02] <Madpilot> icn_: got it in one... :)
[11:02] <icn_> all linux distros are the same aint they?
[11:02] <Tomasu> nope.
[11:02] <Xyc0> thanks qt2, you get where i was trying to go
[11:02] <Bubbling_Zombie> qt2, well, i spend the last two days helping somebody setting up his box.
[11:03] <poningru> icn_: thats like saying all the people in the world are the same
[11:03] <qt2> icn_, it'd probably make more sense to ask that in ##linux
[11:03] <poningru> oliwel: there are many it seems
[11:03] <icn_> all u need is to open firefox and surf
[11:03] <icn_> thats all i do
[11:03] <Bubbling_Zombie> after explaining two times how he updates his system in a "do this and do this" way
[11:03] <icn_> works the same no matter what distro u use
[11:03] <Bubbling_Zombie> he didn't ask it anymore, cuz i actually explained what he was doing
[11:03] <Xyc0> Bubbling_Zombie: now think of how long it would take if the user just learned how through trial and error
[11:03] <qt2> Bubbling_Zombie, different people learn in different ways.
[11:03] <Bubbling_Zombie> sure
[11:03] <Tomasu> icn_, you have four basic types of Linux systems, RPM, DEB, EBUILD, and targz based systems... and they all do things in thier own way ;)
[11:04] <poningru> oliwel: here we go
[11:04] <poningru> apt-get install kdessh
[11:04] <oliwel> poningru:ok :)
[11:04] <qt2> Bubbling_Zombie, you shouldn't condemn a certain way of doing things because thats not the way YOU would do it.
[11:04] <Bubbling_Zombie> true qt2 , but in my experience the "explaining what's happening" works better in the long term.
[11:04] <oliwel> hmm ok I will give it a try - can you point me to a kind of packagelist for ubuntu
[11:05] <poningru> try synaptic
[11:05] <icn_> i've used both red hat, fedora, debian, and gentoo
[11:05] <qt2> i was reading the forums, reading the post about a bootsplash for ubuntu...
[11:05] <oliwel> pg: I used suse in the past and rpmseek was my best friend :)
[11:05] <icn_> just login and logout
[11:05] <Xyc0> icn_: no slack?
[11:05] <IIIEars> damn - firewal is complaining hit with unsolicited connections from reverse.layered.tech.com
[11:05] <qt2> half the poeple didnt want to give a choice in the matter...
[11:05] <icn_> i used slackware back when it was 2.0.24 kernel
[11:05] <poningru> system->admin->synaptic package manager
[11:05] <icn_> back then it was just console and bitchx
[11:05] <qt2> personally, i think that people should be able to choose how they want to do things.
[11:05] <oliwel> poningru: yes but there is no "kdessh"
[11:06] <Xyc0> icn_: it isn't still like that? j/k
[11:06] <Bubbling_Zombie> hehe.
[11:06] <poningru> ooh you may have to add the universe to source.list
[11:06] <Tomasu> icn_, hmm, I've used all but slack..
[11:06] <icn_> all the same once kde loads basically
[11:06] <icn_> or gnome
[11:06] <icn_> and maybe some icons
[11:06] <Tomasu> not once you want to actually install something
[11:06] <Tomasu> or remove a program...
[11:06] <Bubbling_Zombie> i've used slack , ubuntu & debian. Think i'll stick with the latter. Lynching is illegal tho, keep tahat in mind
[11:06] <Bubbling_Zombie> ^-^
[11:06] <Xyc0> icn_: and the whole packaging system
[11:06] <Tomasu> or figure out how to customize the startup
[11:07] <poningru> oliwel: go to /etc/apt/source.list
[11:07] <qt2> so... what's the big difference between ubuntu and debian?
[11:07] <Xyc0> Bubbling_Zombie: Illegal where?
[11:07] <poningru> open up in fav text editor
[11:07] <cafuego> Xyc0: outside texas
[11:07] <poningru> and read the doc to add universe
[11:07] <Tomasu> or even just figuring out where each distro decides to not follow the FSH
[11:07] <Bubbling_Zombie> the world? o_O
[11:07] <Xyc0> Bubbling_Zombie: Not everyone here is in the U$
[11:07] <Tomasu> qt2, uptodate packages?
[11:08] <Bubbling_Zombie> don't do  transatlantic lynching kids, it's bad for you :<
[11:08] <qt2> Tomasu, heh, so its more 'bleedng edge'?
[11:08] <Computer__Guru> !ubuntuguide
[11:08] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is probably a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[11:08] <Tomasu> qt2, I stopped using debian a while back becuse it took them a year to package updates to KDE.
[11:08] <Xyc0> qt2: Ubuntu focus on desktop and practicality, Deb on stability
[11:08] <Stalkr> hey, whomever was helping me earlier...thanks for trying, turns out to be a bad cd-rom drive
[11:08] <Computer__Guru> did ubotu die?
[11:08] <oliwel> poingru: ok I will do - what ssh gui are you using ?
[11:08] <Xyc0> Stalkr: That info would have helped :d
[11:08] <qt2> Computer__Guru, no... it responded to you o.o;
[11:09] <Stalkr> well, I only just determined it
[11:09] <poningru> oliwel: I dont like ssh guis
[11:09] <Computer__Guru> qt2: tyvm, i was lagged
[11:09] <oliwel> *gg* - I dont like them but I need them
[11:09] <poningru> I like the bash
[11:09] <qt2> ;)
[11:09] <poningru> yeah never had to manage more than like 2 servers at the same time
[11:09] <Stalkr> had to create a startup floppy using this machine to set up 98 se on that one from hdd to get a 98 disk to load mscd drivers to determine the drive had failed
[11:09] <poningru> so wouldnt know what it feels like
[11:10] <Xyc0> Stalkr: I was just joshing you, awsome that you found out instead of trashing your whole system like i usualy do
[11:10] <poningru> ok that came out sarcastic
[11:10] <poningru> it wasnt meant to be
[11:10] <Computer__Guru> okay, im runnin xfce here, and im looking at my panel, which ive customized.. thee's a little up arrow that allows me to add things to it, and i want to delete it from the panel but it doesnt have that option..
[11:10] <Stalkr> well, it's pretty much trash now
[11:10] <oliwel> poingru: np:)
[11:10] <Xyc0> $15 for a new cd rom?
[11:11] <oliwel> poningru -seems my kyb is loosing the second n everytime ;)
[11:11] <Bubbling_Zombie> Computer__Guru, right click on it
[11:11] <Stalkr> it's an OLD laptop
[11:11] <Xyc0> Stalkr: ha ha ha, im sorry
[11:11] <Bubbling_Zombie> and remove the thingy next to the "add menu to..."
[11:11] <Stalkr> 366 k6-11
[11:11] <tiglionabbit> Computer__Guru: Right-click the icon next to it, and in the properties disable the arrow thingy
[11:11] <oliwel> poningru: thxfor the support-I will try
[11:11] <Bubbling_Zombie> (in properties)
[11:11] <poningru> np
[11:11] <Computer__Guru> Bubbling_Zombie: didnt work.. but i fixed it, i had to uncheck "attach menu to launcher"
[11:11] <Stalkr> hardly worth the effort of finding the drive for it
[11:11] <poningru> kyb?
[11:11] <Computer__Guru> yeah what tiglionabbit said
[11:11] <poningru> cya
[11:11] <Stalkr> night
[11:11] <poningru> come back if you need more help
[11:11] <Bubbling_Zombie> oh, yeah that. I don't use launchers myself, so i was kinda going on memory ^_^
[11:12] <IIIEars> Stalkr - have you visited newegg.com - nirvana for computer builders. - grin
[11:12] <Xyc0> he left
[11:12] <poningru> I should sleep as well
[11:12] <poningru> night guys
[11:13] <Xyc0> Beeb or XMMS?
[11:13] <Xyc0> anyone?
[11:13] <Bubbling_Zombie> <-
[11:13] <Xyc0> That was the whole reason i joined chat...
[11:14] <Madpilot> off to sleep myself. later, all.
[11:14] <concept10> beep...
[11:15] <Xyc0> Does beeb have a gnome panel app like gxmms?
[11:15] <poningru_sleep> ubuntu community should get its own server for IRC
[11:15] <Xyc0> poningru_sleep: What happened to sleeping?
[11:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> no clue Xyc0 . poningru_sleep : why?
[11:15] <poningru_sleep> hahaha
[11:15] <poningru_sleep> Bubbling_Zombie: look at mozilla
[11:16] <poningru_sleep> also because you can maintain your own policy
[11:16] <poningru_sleep> this time for real
[11:16] <poningru_sleep> night
[11:17] <Xyc0> gxmms works for beep too
[11:19] <zwn1> hi there
[11:19] <Tomasu> maintaining an IRC server takes work :o wonder if the team can afford to spend effort on something like that? :o
[11:19] <zwn1> do ubuntu main/universe 5.04 packages compiled with gcc-3.3?
[11:20] <imaek> When I was installing ubuntu, it asked me what resolution my graphics card supported, and it had a couple of default ones selected.  Now those are in System -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution.  Unfortunately, the largest one was like 800x600, and I am stuck with that.   Is there any way to edit what resolutions I can change to?
[11:20] <Xyc0> Most linux users know to join the channel for their distro on freenod
[11:20] <Xyc0> freenode*
[11:20] <bob2> zwn1: that's the default, yes
[11:21] <Xyc0> imaek: What kind of videocard?
[11:21] <zwnj> bob2: danke :)
[11:21] <imaek> NVidia geforce 6600 i think
[11:21] <imaek> I may be completely wrong.
[11:21] <Tomasu> Xyc0, that I doubt :o most "linux" users are probably running Fedora or Mandrake with no clue how to do much of anything :o
[11:21] <imaek> i know it's nvidia
[11:21] <Xyc0> imaek: install nvidia drivers
[11:21] <imaek> and geforce
[11:21] <imaek> Xyc0 I have them installed
[11:22] <DodGeR> i have mine running at 1600x1200@75 , also 6600GT's works fine
[11:22] <DodGeR> u take a look in your /etx/X11/xorg.conf ?
[11:22] <DodGeR> see wots there ?
[11:22] <Xyc0> imaek: nvidia-settings also?
[11:22] <imaek> No
[11:22] <Xyc0> fiddle with that
[11:22] <imaek> Now I do, Xyc0.
[11:22] <imaek> ok
[11:22] <imaek> Thank you.
[11:22] <Xyc0> its in applications > system tools
[11:23] <Davus> Morning.
[11:23] <Xyc0> grumble
[11:23] <Xyc0> it is?
[11:23] <Davus> Eh, don't think so.
[11:24] <imaek> Xyc0, nvidia-settings doesn't say anything about resolution
[11:24] <Tomasu> no RandR support :o
[11:24] <Tomasu> krandrtray is ahandly little app :)
[11:24] <Davus> Running Ubuntu for the first some.  So far seems solidly built.
[11:25] <imaek> it is a GeForce 6600 GT, though.
[11:25] <DodGeR> same as mine imaek
[11:25] <Xyc0> i had this problem with my 9800 Pro
[11:25] <calamari> hi
[11:26] <imaek> well
[11:26] <imaek> all i have is
[11:26] <imaek> nvidia-glx
[11:26] <sh0k> hi guys
[11:26] <DodGeR> what i found was that i needed to set my horizSync/vertZyn rates and then add modes in my xorg.conf
[11:26] <imaek> should I get nvidia-kernel-source
[11:26] <Bubbling_Zombie> no
[11:26] <sh0k> how is the boot manager called which u can get installed with ubuntu?
[11:26] <Xyc0> what DodGeR said
[11:26] <DodGeR> i couldnt run high resolution till i fixed the sync rates
[11:26] <Bubbling_Zombie> restricted modules imaek
[11:26] <imaek> erm... what
[11:26] <Bubbling_Zombie> apt-get restricted modules for your kernel
[11:27] <bob2> sh0k: grub is installed by default
[11:27] <imaek> how would I set HorizSync and VertZyn rates
[11:27] <sh0k> thanks :)
[11:27] <bob2> imaek: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:27] <sh0k> and u know how i deinstall it?
[11:27] <DodGeR> open your /etc/X11/xorg.conf with an editor - after you make a backup of that file
[11:27] <bob2> sh0k: why do you want to do that?
[11:27] <sh0k> i delted my swap & ext3 hdds, and now when i reboot my pc
[11:27] <sh0k> i get GRUB error
[11:27] <DodGeR> see what rates are currently set , and what screen modes (resolutions are there)
[11:27] <sh0k> and cant boot into my windows
[11:27] <Xyc0> for BMP, how do you open whole directories of music?
[11:27] <calamari> is there a way to find out how fast my modem connected?  (I'm using pon / ppp to get online)
[11:28] <bob2> Xyc0: cick and hold on the add button on the playlist window
[11:28] <Xyc0> sh0k: don't delete linux :D
[11:28] <sh0k> i wanted to dell all again
[11:28] <sh0k> and make new partions
[11:28] <bob2> sh0k: so, if you want to get rid of ubuntu, get windows to overwrite the mbr
[11:28] <sh0k> mbr
[11:28] <sh0k> ?
[11:28] <Jurgeni> has anyone had firefox crashing problems when accepting certificates permanently, for example at wiki.ubuntu.com?
[11:29] <Davus> Will check.
[11:29] <Xyc0> bob2: I have nested directories, that is what I am trying to add to PL
[11:29] <Jurgeni> when I try to start firefox from console, it says "segmentation fault" when crashing
[11:29] <DodGeR> what monitor do u have imaek , and what screen res would u like to run ?
[11:29] <Davus> Checking now Jurgeni, seems fine.
[11:29] <bob2> Jurgeni: this is the ubuntu version of firefox?
[11:30] <Jurgeni> bob2: yep
[11:30] <bob2> Xyc0: it will recurse
[11:30] <bob2> Jurgeni: does it affect other users?
[11:30] <sh0k> in windows i need to do fixmbr.. but i cant geet into windows..
[11:30] <imaek> DodGeR: I have a 17" monitor, and I'd like to run something above 1024x768
[11:30] <imaek> maybe like 1152x864 or something
[11:30] <Jurgeni> bob2: I'm the only user
[11:30] <imaek> DodGeR: 		Modes		"1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[11:30] <bob2> Jurgeni: make another and try
[11:30] <bob2> sh0k: you'll need a boot cd
[11:30] <Xyc0> bob2: Ah, it worked, thnx
[11:30] <imaek> 1080x1024 is no tin the Resolution changer thing
[11:30] <bob2> sh0k: in future, don't do this without a boot disk on hand
[11:31] <sh0k> i got a boot disc.. i just read a bit at google
[11:31] <sh0k> just boot from winxp cd and make in console fixmbr
[11:31] <sh0k> im going to try
[11:31] <sh0k> cya later
[11:31] <imaek> bob2: I've done this binary monitor thing
[11:32] <imaek> BinaryDriverHowTo
[11:32] <bob2> I don't know what that means
[11:32] <Xyc0> sh0k: I keep 3 gig for ubuntu so I can keep grub and have most of the HD to windows, but I only do that in extreme cases
[11:32] <imaek> bob2: you told me to go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:32] <imaek> and I'd done that already
[11:32] <imaek> it's just telling me to get glx
[11:33] <bob2> you asked how to install the binary drivers
[11:33] <imaek> Oh.
[11:33] <Jurgeni> bob2: I tried to make another user and tested firefox, no crashing there, funny...
[11:36] <Xyc0> Anyone get xmms2 working?
[11:36] <DodGeR> imaek, some 17" screens cant do very high res specially if they are lcd/tft ..  - do u know for a fact it can do 1200.1024 ?
[11:36] <zara> where can i get free cd from ubunto ?..i forget the site..i once registed.
[11:36] <imaek> AHA
[11:36] <imaek> I got it
[11:36] <bob2> zara: http://shipit.ubuntu.com/
[11:37] <guillem> I'm in trouble with an Nvidia card. I get low quality image with some noise (like if I was looking at the TV), with "shadows" at high contrast zones and with both nv and nvidia drivers...
[11:37] <Xyc0> guillem: Noise?
[11:38] <guillem> Xyc0,
[11:38] <guillem> Xyc0, yes, random moving noise
[11:38] <guillem> Xyc0, as if cable was not plugged correctly
[11:38] <Xyc0> guillem: Did you recently install this card?
[11:38] <guillem> Xyc0, like VHS quaility
[11:38] <nsaneice> Hello, is there a package for the Gnome skin? Like the minimize, close and move?
[11:38] <guillem> Xyc0, it is a brand new computer
[11:39] <guillem> sorry brand perhaps it is not the right word... I'm spanish...
[11:39] <nsaneice> I am building Ubuntu from server
[11:39] <guillem> It is a new from yesterday computer
[11:39] <Xyc0> guillem: The connections for the card are dirty
[11:39] <guillem> Xyc0, which ones??
[11:39] <iluciv> ok I can't seem to find the uninstall command for the nvidia.com nvidia drivers does anyone know what it would be??
[11:39] <Xyc0> guillem: aka they are not fully connected
[11:39] <guillem> Xyc0, so...
[11:39] <Xyc0> guillem: AGP or PCI Express?
[11:39] <guillem> PCI express
[11:40] <Xyc0> The PCI Espress ones...
[11:40] <bob2> iluciv: there may not be one, there's a reason people use packages...
[11:40] <bob2> iluciv: #nvidia might know
[11:40] <guillem> Xyc0, what can I do, then?
[11:40] <visor> hi
[11:40] <Shorty`> with the nautilus dvd/cdrom burning stuff
[11:40] <iluciv> bob2: alreaqdy there
[11:40] <Xyc0> guillem: take the card out of the slot, blow with compressed air for electronics, and use rubbing alcohol on the cards brass connectors.
[11:41] <Shorty`> can I make it actually tell me what ti's doing?
[11:41] <iluciv> already
[11:41] <iluciv> :)
[11:41] <guillem> Xyc0, are you sure? I mean, the computer is new!
[11:41] <bob2> Shorty`: it tells you when it's generating the image, and when it's burning...what more do you want to know?
[11:41] <Xyc0> guillem: I am not a pro, but that is what I do
[11:41] <visor> do you know where to see the list of options for iocharset and codepage to mount a share with samba? (trhough smbfs) i have some trouble with special characters and i have tried utf8 but yet i have no luck
[11:41] <Shorty`> the speed, what it's adding to the image, perhaps a percentage?
[11:41] <guillem> Xyc0, and do you success?
[11:41] <Xyc0> guillem: do not do if inexperienced
[11:41] <Xyc0> guillem: always
[11:41] <bob2> visor: man smbmount
[11:42] <Shorty`> bob2, I just like to know *exactly* what its doing, that's all.
[11:42] <Xyc0> guillem: or
[11:42] <Shorty`> maybe even how full the buffer is? :>
[11:42] <Xyc0> guillem: you can return the computer and tell them its borked
[11:42] <guillem> Xyc0, OK, I'll save this chat and talk to the store guy
[11:42] <guillem> Xyc0, the card has several outputs. Would it be better with another one?
[11:42] <Xyc0> What display do you use?
[11:43] <visor> bob2: yeah, i already did that, but i dont really know which codepage to use under the codepage and iocharset option i thought utf8 would do but it doesnt
[11:43] <Shorty`> youusing DVI or?
[11:43] <guillem> It is a LG studiobworks 19 inch
[11:43] <bob2> visor: Ive never had to set it
[11:43] <Shorty`> we found some of the newer cards with the HD15 connector on a ribbon were shithouse
[11:43] <Shorty`> try a DVI -> Analog converter
[11:43] <guillem> Wich one is DVI?
[11:43] <Xyc0> the round one
[11:43] <guillem> I have adaptor for the largest one to the "usual" one
[11:43] <anacron> dvi is usually white' connector
[11:44] <visor> bob2: i guess so, you dont have to use special characters but i do ;)
[11:44] <Xyc0> I was wrong about the round one
[11:44] <Xyc0> dont listen to me
[11:44] <Xyc0> im being lazy
[11:44] <guillem> However there is not signal at the largest one right now
[11:44] <Shorty`> guillem, try that.
[11:44] <anacron> guillem: check from image.google what dvi looks like :)
[11:44] <Shorty`> guillem, you will probably have to reboot.
[11:44] <guillem> OK, but there is no signal at the DVI one
[11:45] <guillem> Shorty`, do I have to restart the computer with the monitor plugged at DVI one?
[11:45] <Xyc0> DVI or not it shouldnt cause picture noise
[11:45] <Shorty`> it's probably gone.. "mm.. he's using VGA and I'm not in dual head mode, I'll just enable the analog port"
[11:45] <Shorty`> Xyc0, we had a video card do it from new recently..
[11:45] <Shorty`> on the DVI it was fine
[11:45] <guillem> Xyc0, I agree, I just want to avoid to go to the store....
[11:45] <Xyc0> Wow, makes me really want to upgrade to PCI Ex
[11:46] <Shorty`> guillem, just try it for me? I'm curious now. :)
[11:46] <guillem> Shorty`, how do I enable the DVI port? it is automagic or do I need something?
[11:46] <Shorty`> automagic on bootup
[11:46] <Shorty`> I think the card detects what display you're using
[11:46] <Shorty`> and outputs to it
[11:46] <tiglionabbit> rofl.  "You've just won a year's supply of Calendar!"
[11:46] <guillem> Shorty`, I really want to try all the available options :-))
[11:46] <Shorty`> with a preference for DVI in dualhead mode I believe
[11:47] <guillem> OK, I reboot now and I will connect again to let you know.
[11:47] <Shorty`> ok
[11:47] <guillem> see you soon ;-))
[11:47] <visor> bob2: i just found the thing, cp850 is the codepage
[11:47] <highvoltage> tiglionabbit: to receive your prize, type cal 2005
[11:47] <guillem> btw, how do I save this chat?? (Xchat)
[11:47] <Shorty`> not sure actually. :)
[11:47] <guillem> OOps I found it
[11:48] <sky_monkey007> go to Settings -> preferences -> chatting -> logging
[11:48] <Shorty`> I would *love* to know how fast this things writing
[11:49] <sky_monkey007> I have a quick question about Ubuntu Software update manager...
[11:49] <bob2> Shorty`: you can file a wishlist bug if it's really important to you
[11:49] <sky_monkey007> if you see alot of packages that it marks as "Unauthenticated", does that mean it's coming from a universe, or multiverse repo?
[11:49] <bob2> or just use cdrecord
[11:49] <Shorty`> bob2, you don't agree that it would be useful?
[11:50] <bob2> sure, but it's fluff and clutters th ui
[11:50] <bob2> the point of nautilus' cd burning abilities is that you tell it to do it and it just does it, quietly
[11:50] <Shorty`> well you could have a dropdown like synaptic does..
[11:51] <bob2> I use it occasionally for burning dvds (since dvdrecord outsmarted me), and I've never really missed it
[11:51] <bob2> sure, propose it if you feel it's important
[11:51] <Troy_McClure> i'm bored...  i need a new linux project... what should i do?
[11:51] <guillem> WOW! WOW! WOW!
[11:51] <sky_monkey007> bob2, when you see Software Update tell you that there are package updates from "Unauthenticated" sources, what is your best recommendation?
[11:51] <Shorty`> bob2, know the site for the bug tracker?
[11:52] <Shorty`> guillem, better?
[11:52] <bob2> Troy_McClure: you could start squashing debian or ubuntu bugs
[11:52] <Troy_McClure> i am not that l33t
[11:52] <bob2> Shorty`: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[11:52] <guillem> Xyc0, Shorty` , et al, Now it is impressive
[11:52] <bob2> sky_monkey007: I've never used it, but it probably means you have non-ubuntu lines in your sources.lsit
[11:52] <Shorty`> guillem, figuired.. it seems to be worryingly common these days :/
[11:53] <sky_monkey007> well, all of them are ubuntu, but not all are official...like the universe and multiverse repos..
[11:53] <guillem> Shorty`, definitely better quailty. Still some small shadow after high contrast zones but this used to happen with the old computer also (probably because high resolution and refresh rates) It is not anoying so far
[11:53] <sky_monkey007> bob2, in otherwords, it might not be safe to install them eh?
[11:53] <Troy_McClure> is there a gmail notifier type thing for linux?
[11:53] <guillem> Now I'm happy again!!!!
[11:54] <guillem> Troy_McClure, there is gmail extension for firefox
[11:54] <Shorty`> guillem, great :> another satisfied customer :>
[11:54] <HappyFool> sky_monkey007: use the 'reload' in synaptic, or do 'sudo apt-get update' in a terminal and try again -- it's probably just a glitch.  happens to me all the time.
[11:54] <Troy_McClure> a plugin you mean?
[11:54] <Troy_McClure> oh okay they are callaed extenstions :P
[11:54] <sky_monkey007> does gnome 2.8 has nautilus cd burning abilities?
[11:54] <guillem> Troy_McClure, yes, they are called "extensions" at firefox context
[11:54] <bob2> sky_monkey007: do you know what "unauthenticated" means in this context?
[11:55] <Bubbling_Zombie> plugins are flash etc.
[11:55] <Troy_McClure> i just realized that :P
[11:55] <guillem> Shorty`, I'm a bit worried, nevertheless...
[11:55] <sky_monkey007> bob2, basically, it means that it's not been checked by the people who administer the original hoary software packages and official repo's, right?
[11:55] <guillem> Shorty`, I won't be able to use dualhead unless I try with Xyc0 's  method,....
[11:56] <sky_monkey007> bob2, so if I just wanted to get security updates, I could comment out everything except official security repo's and just let Update install those?
[11:56] <Xyc0> guillem: What's my method?
[11:56] <bob2> sky_monkey007: sort of.  it means the packages aren't digitally signed, so they could have been modified in transit, and that they're not..."approved" by the ubuntu people, yeah.
[11:56] <bob2> sky_monkey007: yes
[11:56] <sky_monkey007> cool.  Thanks :)
[11:56] <djp> is there a way to decrease the size of icons that appear on the desktop? i amusing ubuntu hoary with gnome gui
[11:56] <guillem> Xyc0, to clean the card with air and alcohol...
[11:56] <onkarshinde> How to use spesial keys on keyboard in Ubuntu (ex. Windows Key)?
[11:57] <Xyc0> guillem: i didn't know this was a widespread problem with PCI Express
[11:57] <Xyc0> guillem: Try theirs first
[11:57] <Xyc0> guillem: then if all else fails
[11:57] <Xyc0> guillem: my method
[11:57] <Shorty`> guillem, to be fair.. I'm guessing it's one of the 5200s ?
[11:58] <guillem> Xyc0, I've solved it by using the dvi port, but now I know I could use two monitors... hmmmmm you know :-P
[11:58] <guillem> Shorty`, no
[11:58] <guillem> Shorty`, NVIDIA Corporation NV40 [GeForce 6200 TurboCache] 
[11:58] <Shorty`> confirm for me that it has a ribbon cable for the HD15 connector?
[11:58] <Xyc0> eeewww
[11:58] <Shorty`> eeewww? :P
[11:59] <Troy_McClure> anyone know of any sonar/cakewalk clones for linux?
[11:59] <Shorty`> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AR [Radeon 9600] 
[11:59] <Shorty`> :>
[11:59] <guillem> Shorty`, however, nvidia drivers do not perform well in 3D accel... The driver complains about my kernel and I don't know if it is that the problem...
[11:59] <Shorty`> guillem, does it do it in windows?
[11:59] <guillem> Shorty`, I don't have windows at all.
[12:00] <Shorty`> I'm trying to assertain if its the card of something quirky in the kernel/driver.
[12:00] <zara> debian runs on ntfs?
[12:00] <Shorty`> :)
[12:00] <zara> i mean ubuntu
[12:00] <Shorty`> does it?
[12:00] <Shorty`> I don't know! ask it :>
[12:00] <Troy_McClure> no
[12:00] <onkarshinde> How to use spesial keys on keyboard in Ubuntu (ex. Windows Key)?
[12:00] <Troy_McClure> it will read NTFS
[12:00] <Troy_McClure> but not write to NTFS
[12:00] <Troy_McClure> writing to NTFS from linux is not a good idea
[12:00] <Troy_McClure> often leads to drive corruption and the like
[12:00] <Shorty`> has anyone actually put a package for captive into any of the repositories?
[12:00] <guillem> Shorty`,  "NVRM: WARNING [...]  ychange_page_attr kernel interface [...]  you update to a 2.6.11 or newer kernel"
[12:00] <HappyFool> onkarshinde: system -> preferences -> keyboard and keyboard shortcuts
[12:00] <Xyc0> Shorty`: 6600 and below are horrid designs
[12:01] <Xyc0> Shorty`: (EEEWWW)
[12:01] <Shorty`> Xyc0, you're not paying *my* card out now are you? :)P
[12:01] <Troy_McClure> damn! the new harry potter book is out..
[12:01] <Troy_McClure> i want it...
[12:01] <Xyc0> Me too
[12:01] <Shorty`> yeh
[12:01] <Shorty`> I'm tempted
[12:01] <Shorty`> even though I don't read much
[12:01] <Xyc0> 7800 are already out eh
[12:02] <Xyc0> reading is cool, stay in school
[12:02] <Shorty`> been through school already ;)
[12:02] <dam> http://ubuntuguide.org/ ROCKS
[12:02] <dam> check it out
[12:02] <dam> unless you have already
[12:02] <HappyFool> !ubuntuguide
[12:02] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[12:02] <Shorty`> hahaha
[12:03] <Shorty`> I love blootot.
[12:03] <Shorty`> blootbot even
[12:03] <Xyc0> ha ha ha
[12:03] <Xyc0> HappyFool: were you waiting for that?
[12:03] <guillem> Strange, now the 3D acceleration seems to be just OK...
[12:03] <HappyFool> Xyc0: not at all
[12:03] <HappyFool> dam: sorry, i didn't mean to be rude
[12:03] <guillem> Playing torcs at 1024 gives me about 50-50 fps and yesterday only 10...
[12:03] <Shorty`> "How to clean up unwanted files on your ubuntu install"
[12:03] <HappyFool> dam: just for your information
[12:04] <Shorty`> "ubuntu~# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda
[12:04] <Shorty`> :P
[12:04] <Xyc0> dam: It helps, but its best to learn why you type what you type
[12:04] <Xyc0> dam: bash prompt can me trixy
[12:04] <Xyc0> be*
[12:05] <Xyc0> HappyFool: I just found it funny, its been a few minutes since you last responded here
[12:06] <Xyc0> alright kids, im off to bed
[12:06] <guillem> TFT monitors use DVI output??
[12:08] <Shorty`> Is this a self-answering question??
[12:08] <Shorty`> :P
[12:09] <|stefan|> if i install a package that replaces a ubuntu-base package . if i've understad correctly the "auto update package" function won't work ? but will still apg-get dist-upgrade work ??
[12:09] <guillem> Shorty`, no, I'm just gessing that since customers tend to buy TFT monitors lately, the old CRT outputs might have been lowered their quality checks. This would make sense if TFT monitors do not use the old VGA outputs....
[12:11] <discord_> spiral thats a guess
[12:13] <tiglionabbit> say guys, I just noticed that Edubuntu is looking for breezy badger animations.  What software should I use?L
[12:14] <OculusAquilae> tiglionabbit: wat kind of animations?
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> they put a link on the ubuntu main page, check it out.  I'm wondering what animation program I should use though...
[12:17] <HappyFool> tiglionabbit: isn't there something called 'cinepaint' -- some sort of gimp thing?
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> hmm
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> are there any good SVG Animation programs yet?
[12:17] <guillem> Well, at the end I'm pretty happy with my new machine. I finally decided to upgrade my old AMDk6-2+ to this AMD64 thing... with sata disk which has not given any problem at ubuntu install... amazing, ubuntu has set up the network and sound cards embedded into the main card, and it has not given me any trouble at all.
[12:17] <blacksky> anybody know why I'm getting "MD5Sum mismatch" on some packages errors when trying to dist-upgrade from hoary to breezy?
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> blacksky, are you sure you want to do that?
[12:18] <guillem> blacksky, read the Topic...
[12:18] <blacksky> ah, ok!
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> anyway, I need to sleep, I'll explore the internet for good animation programs later
[12:19] <blacksky> breezy is obviously a bit more bleeding edge than I was hoping for :)
[12:20] <aeho> I'm trying to play CodeRED: Alien arena, and I'm having some serious problems: http://pastebin.com/314401
[12:21] <aeho> Could something be wrong with my drivers?
[12:21] <tiglionabbit> blacksky, not as bleeding as Grumpy Groundhog
[12:22] <guillem> tiglionabbit, I think that latests openoffice releases can export things to flash... I don't know.
[12:23] <tiglionabbit> hm really
[12:23] <blacksky> tiglionabbit: ooo, not even heard of that one yet. I'm a recent convert from debian - is there somewhere that explains how the different ubuntu releases work?
[12:23] <ltk1608> hellp
[12:23] <ltk1608> hellp
[12:23] <ltk1608> hello
[12:24] <tiglionabbit> blacksky, they release a new stable distro every 6 months and call it an animal and an adjective with the same beginning letter.  Grumpy Groundhog however is the developers version that is meant to easily synchronize CVS builds of things in the ubuntu project
[12:25] <blacksky> ta for the info tiglionabbit
[12:25] <Heimdall> Seveas, (hello) could you remember me what is the latex package you told me about ?
[12:26] <tiglionabbit> goodnight everyone
[12:27] <tiglionabbit> if you find a program you think I could animate with, mail me  (  tiglionabbit@gmail.com )
[12:27] <newbie> heimdall what do you want latex to do for you?
[12:27] <HappyFool> blacksky: take a look on the website -- www.ubuntulinux.org and wiki.ubuntu.com -- you'll probably find some info on the release policy there
[12:28] <Heimdall> newbie, I'm just looking for the name of the latex package I have installed
[12:28] <HappyFool> Heimdall: tetex ?
[12:28] <newbie> try tetex
[12:28] <Heimdall> ah yes HappyFool  :)
[12:28] <Heimdall> this is it
[12:28] <Heimdall> well, now I can ask my question lol
[12:28] <newbie> lol
[12:29] <Heimdall> do you know if in tetex it is possible to convert dvi or tex file in html ?
[12:29] <newbie> tex2html
[12:29] <Heimdall> thing like latex2html
[12:29] <Heimdall> ah
[12:29] <newbie> yah it is called latex2html
[12:30] <newbie> but sometimes the translation is not soo good
[12:30] <HappyFool> Heimdall: there are some others, whose names escape me
[12:30] <HappyFool> Heimdall: i think there's also 'tth'
[12:30] <Heimdall> I don't have latex2html
[12:30] <newbie> i tried it with elsavier and did not work well
[12:30] <Heimdall> it would be good if I could create a little "web site" with a tex document I made
[12:31] <newbie> try installing latex2html
[12:31] <newbie> it might work for standard classes. But sometimes tables are not translated
[12:32] <newbie> heimdall you know the ctan site right search for a package there
[12:32] <cion> hey all newbie here: how come no multimedia file works on my ubuntu?
[12:33] <onkarshinde> cion:what do you want to play?
[12:33] <Heimdall> newbie, synaptic's running...
[12:33] <cion> mp3, divx, dvd, .mov.mpg
[12:33] <cion> nothing works
[12:34] <onkarshinde> cion: either install totem & totem-xine packages or install vlc
[12:34] <OculusAquilae> cion: try to look at ubuntuguide.org/
[12:34] <OculusAquilae> cion http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[12:34] <cion> whats vlc?
[12:34] <cion> Oculus: ok got that, I'll check it, thx
[12:35] <newbie> heimdall what front end for latex you use (kile or acutex)
[12:35] <OculusAquilae> cion: vlc is a media player, very good
[12:35] <djp> cion: try and use ogg vorbis instead of mp3 and theora instad of divx, mov and mpg. if you really need to use the other impeded formats then install g-streamer-plugins and gstreamer-ffmpeg
[12:35] <Heimdall> newbie, what ??
[12:35] <bassembg> hi room
[12:36] <OculusAquilae> djp: I think its not acceptable for a newbie to convert all files :-)
[12:36] <newbie> heimdall you said you use latex i was asking what front end you used
[12:36] <blacksky> when i do an "apt-get update" its Ign:(oring) the backport sources I've got listed. Anybody know why?
[12:36] <djp> OculusAquilae: sure. i wouldn't advise converting mp3 to ogg anyway.
[12:37] <Heimdall> newbie, sorry I don't understand 'front end'
[12:37] <bassembg> any one good in linux
[12:37] <cion> Ok thx to all, you guys rock!
[12:37] <newbie> heimdall what program you use to write latex files
[12:37] <cion> c'ya
[12:37] <onkarshinde> bassembg: Just ask your question.
[12:37] <bassembg> i need to adjust my screen resolution
[12:38] <mircea> System>Preferences>Screen Resolution
[12:38] <bassembg> it dosen't work
[12:38] <Heimdall> newbie, emacs
[12:38] <mircea> How exactly does it fail?
[12:39] <bassembg> its fixed on 640*480 and no other obtions
[12:39] <onkarshinde> bassembg: What is your graphic card?
[12:39] <mircea> I'm not sure which configuration file you need to edit then. Give me a second.
[12:40] <bassembg> ok
[12:41] <jasmuz> bye ya'll
[12:44] <bassembg> mircea still there
[12:44] <mircea> So my next question is, what does it say in your xorg.conf file. It's in /etc/X11.
[12:44] <mircea> Yeah, I was just checking some stuff on google and my computer.
[12:44] <frodo24> hello
[12:45] <bassembg> ok let me c
[12:45] <MeltedDuron> hi
[12:45] <Heimdall> newbie, do you know about latex2html ?
[12:45] <newbie> i have it installed here
[12:45] <frodo24> i still have problems with pon and i get disconnected after a minute or few seconds of net
[12:45] <newbie> and i ran it from lyx
[12:46] <newbie> never new how to work under emacs though
[12:46] <MeltedDuron> i swapped gfx cards, and i can't get the xserver to start, what do i do?
[12:46] <frodo24> i'm starting to think ubuntu sucks since i can't get it online
[12:46] <Heimdall> it does not make good pictures for my formulae :-/
[12:46] <HappyFool> frodo24: you've look in /var/log/messages for clues ?
[12:46] <frodo24> yes
[12:46] <HappyFool> MeltedDuron: try running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org'
[12:46] <frodo24> but i don't know
[12:46] <frodo24> why
[12:46] <Heimdall> latex2html filename.tex [12:46] <newbie> told you it has some problems
[12:47] <MeltedDuron> ok thnx will do
[12:47] <bassembg> mircea still there
[12:47] <mircea> HappyFool; that's a new one, what exactly does it do?
[12:47] <mircea> yeah
[12:47] <Heimdall> newbie, http://nico.aunai.free.fr/man/node11.html see yourself.... here it should be a formula :-/
[12:47] <bassembg> it says Graphics Device"
[12:47] <bassembg> 	Monitor		"E71fSB-2"
[12:47] <bassembg> 	DefaultDepth	24
[12:47] <bassembg> 	SubSection "Display"
[12:47] <bassembg> 		Depth		1
[12:47] <bassembg> 		Modes		"1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[12:47] <frodo24> i'm thinking to get kppp for ubutu
[12:47] <HappyFool> Heimdall: i'd recommend generating pdf instead -- most people can read it
[12:47] <HappyFool> mircea: runs xorgconfig, or an ubuntu/debian equivalent, afaik
[12:48] <mircea> Are there any entries under Depth 24 ?
[12:48] <newbie> there is no formula at all
[12:48] <newbie> no i had the formulas working not the tables though
[12:48] <Heimdall> HappyFool, yeah I'm making pdf too...
[12:48] <mircea> HappyFool; thanks, I think I understand now
[12:48] <bassembg> yae theres depth 4 , 8 , 16
[12:48] <ice_1963> i jest installed icewm it's good
[12:48] <Heimdall> HappyFool, but I thought html version could be nice too
[12:49] <frodo24> heimdall is that name after the game heimdall?
[12:49] <MeltedDuron> happyfool: it says xserver-org isn't installed :-/
[12:49] <HappyFool> Heimdall: fair enough. i'd worry less about that, and get on with writing the article/thesis whatever ;)
[12:49] <HappyFool> MeltedDuron: hmm. Are you running ubuntu 4.10 ?
[12:49] <mircea> bassembg: What does it say under Depth 16?
[12:49] <HappyFool> MeltedDuron: aka 'warty warthog' or older ubuntu release
[12:49] <Heimdall> HappyFool, yeah you're rigth :)
[12:49] <ice_1963> yup
[12:49] <Heimdall> right
[12:50] <Heimdall> frodo24,  ?
[12:50] <bassembg> SubSection "Display"
[12:50] <bassembg> 		Depth		16
[12:50] <bassembg> 		Modes		"1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[12:50] <bassembg> 	EndSubSection
[12:50] <bassembg> 	SubSection "Display"
[12:50] <MeltedDuron> nope 5.04 hoary hedgehog
[12:50] <frodo24> if i copy and paste my log/messages next time will i get better tech support?
[12:50] <HappyFool> MeltedDuron: maybe i got the name wrong -- please stand by
[12:50] <MeltedDuron> okies thnx
[12:50] <HappyFool> bassembg: please don't paste here -- use a pastebin, or #flood
[12:50] <mircea> bassembg: strange
[12:51] <newbie> i use to run hyperlatex too
[12:51] <newbie> you can try that
[12:51] <bassembg> ok , sorry but still new
[12:51] <bassembg> so mircea what to do
[12:51] <HappyFool> MeltedDuron: no, xserver-xorg is correct
[12:51] <bassembg> it supports other resolutiom but i can't change it
[12:51] <mircea> How do you arrange some sort of direct chat?
[12:51] <qt2-2> mwahahaha
[12:51] <HappyFool> MeltedDuron: X did work previously?
[12:52] <bassembg> should i be root to change resolution
[12:52] <HappyFool> mircea: try '/query bassembg'
[12:52] <qt2-2> i know what was locking up my system \o/
[12:52] <MeltedDuron> okie yeh
[12:52] <ice_1963> you need to run icewm lol
[12:52] <MeltedDuron> i swapped gfx cards tho
[12:52] <frodo24> anyone has any idea why i get disconnected after?
[12:52] <mircea> thanks
[12:52] <qt2-2> frodo24, after what?
[12:52] <HappyFool> MeltedDuron: that certainly shouldn't cause an uninstall of xserver-xorg
[12:52] <frodo24> connection to isp
[12:53] <MeltedDuron> yaay it r workeh now thnx HappyFool
[12:53] <qt2-2> what are you using to connect?
[12:53] <HappyFool> frodo24: can you paste the output of 'grep pppd /var/log/messages' to a pastebin?
[12:53] <HappyFool> MeltedDuron: ok, cool
[12:53] <HappyFool> frodo24: i have to go soon, so I may not be able to fully debug your problem
[12:53] <frodo24> no now as i'm in windows but later yes
[12:54] <evader> I love it when the topic answers my question
[12:54] <frodo24> ok someone will is ok happyfool
[12:54] <HappyFool> frodo24: you can read linux filesystems with explore2fs
[12:54] <MeltedDuron> can someone with a calculator help me find out what 128mb is in kb pleese?
[12:54] <frodo24> ok i will go and  download it and paste it
[12:54] <HappyFool> frodo24: maybe you can use a windows text editor (notepad, whatever) to manually find pppd related lines and put them up there -- no need to boot into linux
[12:55] <frodo24> i use scite on win
[12:55] <HappyFool> MeltedDuron: 134217728
[12:55] <mircea> 131072KB
[12:55] <MeltedDuron> thanx :)
[12:55] <frodo24> ok i go now to download
[12:55] <frodo24> so can't read chats
[12:57] <frodo24> downloading
[12:57] <mircea> yeah?
[12:57] <frodo24> why is so popular ubuntu?
[12:57] <action09> because it kicks ass
[12:58] <frodo24> i know why linux is popular but not ubuntu
[12:58] <Chipparn> ubuntu rocks
[12:58] <mircea> Because it's easy to use and well integrated.
[12:58] <HappyFool> frodo24: regular release cycle, post-release support of 18 months (up to now) and emphasis on ease of use
[12:58] <frodo24> mandrake also is easy
[12:58] <action09> frodo24 install in 20 minutes and has a Debian style (best linux cos of apt..and free software) desktop oriented , and Desktop is for 90% of users...
[12:59] <MeltedDuron> Happyfool: have configed x, now what?
[12:59] <MeltedDuron> reebootz0r?
[12:59] <HappyFool> MeltedDuron: no
[12:59] <HappyFool> MeltedDuron: try 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart'
[12:59] <frodo24> i c
[12:59] <MeltedDuron> ok thx
[12:59] <frodo24> is fast in booting
[12:59] <frodo24> i noticed
[01:00] <frodo24> cool i c my linux system
[01:01] <MeltedDuron> HappyFool: it don'twork
[01:01] <HappyFool> MeltedDuron: unfortunately i must go now. Look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for some clues as to what is breaking, or ask someone else for help. My apologies.
[01:03] <frodo24> Jul 16 01:30:12 localhost pppd[23075] : Using interface ppp0
[01:03] <frodo24> Jul 16 01:30:12 localhost pppd[23075] : Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS1
[01:03] <frodo24> Jul 16 01:30:40 localhost pppd[19147] : Device ttyS1 is locked by pid 23075
[01:03] <frodo24> Jul 16 01:30:41 localhost pppd[23075] : PAP authentication succeeded
[01:03] <frodo24> Jul 16 01:30:49 localhost pppd[23075] : local  IP address 81.47.79.28
[01:03] <frodo24> Jul 16 01:30:49 localhost pppd[23075] : remote IP address 81.47.79.29
[01:03] <frodo24> Jul 16 01:30:49 localhost pppd[23075] : primary   DNS address 80.58.32.33
[01:03] <frodo24> Jul 16 01:30:49 localhost pppd[23075] : secondary DNS address 80.58.0.97
[01:04] <frodo24> sorry
[01:04] <frodo24> i knew it whould happen
[01:04] <cat> stop flooding,
[01:04] <frodo24> sorry
[01:05] <frodo24> i had to paste a problem
[01:05] <frodo24> anyone read it and tell me
[01:06] <Bubbling_Zombie> frodo24, use the pastbin (check /topic)
[01:06] <cat> well, don't pasted you'r problem gives us, information about the issue,
[01:06] <cat> pasting doesn't meing anything
[01:07] <frodo24> i can't
[01:07] <cat> well then we can't help you, simple as that
[01:07] <frodo24> listen i have to go to shower after tell me a solution
[01:08] <frodo24> how u pastbin?
[01:08] <cat> well when you come back explain the issue, and we will do our best to help you,
[01:08] <frodo24> ok cat
[01:09] <kevin> I am proud of myself, the true Linux newby got his wireless working with no help and no cheasing people off, it was easy thanx to the awsome documentation of the Ubuntu forums
[01:09] <frodo24> is cool when a newbiew does it by himself i also agree
[01:09] <cat> well what can we say kevin there's some people that love to read and others, lazy that don't really read much
[01:10] <kevin> now all I have to do is get icewm installed and setup
[01:10] <kevin> I am normally the latter
[01:10] <frodo24> i'm not a lazzy person just i can't fix the damn modem
[01:11] <cat> frodo24: www.google.com/linux
[01:12] <kevin> cat: it is awsome, the firsat try and my wireless works! I am using it now to be in here
[01:12] <cat> that's awsome
[01:12] <kevin> yup
[01:13] <bassembg> hi room
[01:13] <kevin> I normally won't spend $35.00 to play but I had to
[01:13] <bassembg> i need to change my screen resolution
[01:13] <bassembg> any help
[01:13] <kevin> hi bassemg
[01:14] <sheeparegreat> does anyone know where I can find some nice themes for Gnome?
[01:14] <cat> sheeparegreat: art.gnome.org
[01:14] <zerok> hi :-)
[01:14] <cat> hiya zerok
[01:15] <bimberi> bassembg: something here may help you ...
[01:15] <bimberi> !resolution
[01:15] <ubotu> methinks resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:15] <kevin> bassemg: mine is under Computer then system config
[01:15] <kevin> sorry I will hush lol
[01:16] <bassembg> ok thanks
[01:16] <bimberi> bassembg: yw - hope it helps :)
[01:21] <tanki> good morning all
[01:22] <bassembg> i used the reconfigure command and every thing get mixed up and i renstall linux again
[01:22] <kevin> tanki: morning
[01:22] <bassembg> i edite the xorg.conf and it seems to support all resolutins
[01:23] <bassembg> why then i cant change it
[01:23] <djp> morning tanki
[01:23] <tanki> I know this is a help channel but it would be nice once in a while if someone came in here and said something like "Hello! All is well!"
[01:23] <tanki> lol
[01:23] <tanki> mornin' kevin, djp
[01:23] <evillight> GOOD MORNING! =D
[01:23] <evillight> lol
[01:23] <kevin> tanki: I did this am ;)
[01:24] <tanki> yes kevin I remember :)
[01:24] <kevin> lol
[01:24] <bassembg> tanki u seems to be abou tanki (in arabic)
[01:25] <tanki> interesting, what's tanki in arabic?
[01:25] <tanki> I mean what's it translate to in englishh
[01:25] <bassembg> it means metalic tank
[01:25] <tanki> lol
[01:26] <bassembg> and when u say about some one that he is abou tanki it means he is old stuff
[01:26] <tanki> hah
[01:26] <tanki> cool
[01:26] <lesshaste> how do I make dev/mapper/control ?
[01:26] <tanki> i'm 27 so in some circles i'm old
[01:27] <bassembg> well i'm 30 ;)
[01:27] <bassembg> too old
[01:27] <tanki> when i started to hide linsey lohan movies under my bed, i knew i was old
[01:27] <bassembg> lol
[01:30] <kevin> well, I shall return tonight. Time for me to go and start seeing Windows customers
[01:30] <Funraiser> it would be nice if there was this feature: after reaching a folder with Nautilus, select a file, right click an choose: type a command line that will apply to this file on this folder (see what I mean?)
[01:31] <fonsken> anyone knows how i can extract a .CAB-file?
[01:31] <nightswim> cabextract
[01:31] <Chipparn> anyone have a tip on another cool and easy use windowmanager?
[01:31] <frodo24> OK I'M BACK
[01:31] <frodo24> sorry
[01:31] <fonsken> thx nightswim :)
[01:31] <nightswim> :)
[01:31] <frodo24> cap where on
[01:32] <mactiny> does anyone here know what is currently the best gfx card for laptops
[01:32] <mactiny> speed wize
[01:32] <frodo24> so know do i paste my log?
[01:32] <xxenon> mactiny - I have a geforce 6200, not bad.
[01:33] <mactiny> what 3dmark scores do you get roughly
[01:33] <xxenon> mactiny - no idea.
[01:33] <zwnj> how i can get GLX without NVIDIAs module (i mean Mesa-GLX)?
[01:33] <tanki> mactiny, If you can afford it, try to find a laptop that allows interchanging of gfx cards. More and more manufacter's are doing this and it's a great idea if you get a laptop as a desktop replacement (ala. gaming). DELL XPS is one I know of that does this.
[01:33] <mactiny> areu able to play most of the current games
[01:33] <frodo24> how do i paste
[01:34] <mactiny> oh ok, thanks
[01:34] <xxenon> mactiny - I play HL2 1280x800 very smoothly
[01:34] <mactiny> good to know
[01:34] <mactiny> ive been away from the gaming scene for awhile, i must say, im quite amazed that the gfx are that fast
[01:35] <mactiny> how would you compare mobile gfx to desktop
[01:35] <zwnj> anyone would help me please?
[01:35] <mactiny> at the mo
[01:35] <xxenon> mactiny - laptop's are still a lot slower. Just check the size of a 6800Ultra..with the fans and all...and the power comsuption
[01:35] <xxenon> you cantz  bring that to a laptop
[01:36] <tanki> mactiny, they've come a long way but in general the desktop beats them out because traditionally you're stuck with the gfx card you have in your laptop for the life of the laptop
[01:36] <xxenon> but my VAIO with that geforce has decent performance, I think.
[01:36] <mactiny> i get that
[01:36] <mactiny> im thinking of getting a new laptop, ill have a look at the dell xps
[01:37] <tanki> my laptop was able to play most games on the market at a great fps but now i don't dare try to play battlfield 2 on it for example
[01:37] <tanki> and i can't really do anything about that
[01:37] <mactiny> what laptop you got
[01:37] <mactiny> tanki
[01:39] <tanki> mactiny, just remember the two things you can't replace on a laptop is the lcd and the keyboard so make sure whichever laptop you choose, you like both those components
[01:40] <tanki> so it doesn't matter if your laptop can power a rocket shuttle, if the keyboard doesn't feel right, then your experience with it will suck
[01:40] <jacob__> external keyboard
[01:40] <jacob__> external display screen
[01:41] <tanki> in that case you might as well just build a pc
[01:41] <jacob__> well a laptop you bring home
[01:41] <jacob__> if you are a student
[01:41] <mactiny> tanki ..thanks, ill keep that in mind
[01:41] <silverphoenix> Ubuntu is beadth of which debian?
[01:41] <jacob__> and I always though that replacing parts in a laptop is rather expensive
[01:41] <Nitrous> hey need help, when you boot up ubuntu and it comes to the boot screen what do you type to start the gnome desktop environment
[01:42] <tanki> if you buy an external monitor and keyboard for your laptop because you don't like the laptop's keyboard and lcd, then you bought the wrong laptop imho
[01:42] <ben_underscore> Nitrous, it should just start when you log in
[01:42] <jacob__> laptop keyboards are mostly not very nice
[01:42] <Nitrous> well its probably because im not using a physical hdd
[01:42] <Nitrous> i was using vmware
[01:42] <jacob__> and external keyboards are not expensive
[01:43] <ben_underscore> Nitrous, did it give you a gdm login screen with the ubuntu logo, etc?
[01:43] <silverphoenix> Ubuntu is beadth of which debian?
[01:43] <Nitrous> yer it did
[01:43] <Nitrous> but it wasnt really a login prompt
[01:43] <frodo24> i can't get online without falling after a second or minute of net
[01:43] <jacob__> sid
[01:43] <Nitrous> it had boot:
[01:43] <silverphoenix> Ubuntu is beadth of which debian(woody,sarge,sid)?
[01:44] <Raptoid> turkish support channel
[01:44] <Raptoid> #ubuntu.tr
[01:44] <Raptoid> opened..
[01:44] <Nitrous> well ill create a partition and try it on a physical hdd
[01:44] <ben_underscore> silverphoenix, sarge i think
[01:44] <jacob__> sid
[01:44] <Nitrous> if not ill come back
[01:44] <tanki> if you select a laptop that has a keyboard you're comfortable with, then you don't need an external keyboard
[01:44] <jacob__> they synchronize with sid for every new version
[01:44] <ben_underscore> jacob__, well there you go
[01:44] <gjc> "xbase-clients: Depends: xdpyinfo but it is not installable"
[01:45] <gjc> :P
[01:45] <gjc> this is known problem?
[01:45] <jacob__> what do you mean ben_underscore
[01:46] <ben_underscore> jacob__, i had it wrong on the debian version ubuntu uses!
[01:46] <jacob__> oh ok
[01:47] <el_kato> is there an command to "fix" broken package. I have a package libstdc++5 thats broken!
[01:47] <jacob__> silverphoenix, this url explains it: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/document_view
[01:48] <frodo24> anyone wants to help me or do i have to talk bad about ubuntu?
[01:48] <Dalkus> hi, where's grub.conf by default?
[01:48] <el_kato> frodo24: do you have an firewall installed?
[01:49] <silverphoenix> jacob__,thx
[01:49] <frodo24> no i don't think so , i don'y know
[01:49] <frodo24> i just installed it from cd
[01:49] <uniq> dalkus: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:50] <frodo24> and it installed alot of crap without asking if i want xya package
[01:50] <Dalkus> thats the conf?
[01:50] <Dalkus> I thought there was a grub.conf too?
[01:50] <ben_underscore> frodo24, what sort of network connection do you have
[01:50] <sJaM> dalkus you are a gentoo user
[01:50] <el_kato> frodo24: have you set your host name, some isp demands it
[01:50] <sJaM> I think
[01:50] <sJaM> it is
[01:50] <Dalkus> no, just ubuntu
[01:50] <sJaM> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:50] <sJaM> well on gentoo I had a symbolic link grub.conf to menu.lst
[01:51] <frodo24> i can surf but just if i'm fast and click a link after logging in the net
[01:51] <Dalkus> mm ok
[01:51] <Smof> hey all
[01:51] <frodo24> i only know my isp need dns and user and password
[01:52] <frodo24> but after 1 click of a url i get cut off
[01:52] <frodo24> i had this problem with mdk but kppp now doesn't do it on mdk
[01:54] <frodo24> kdialer
[01:54] <Dalkus> when I run grub-install, I get alot of errors saying command not found
[01:54] <Dalkus> but its in my /sbin
[01:55] <ben_underscore> frodo24, same machine?
[01:56] <frodo24> yes
[01:56] <frodo24> now i don't have mdk anymore but i have the dvd still
[01:57] <sJaM> grub-install isn't the recommend way of installing grub
[01:57] <sJaM> actually
[01:57] <Dalkus> what
[01:57] <eromb> why does ubuntu use the perl rename (with regexps) instead of the normal one?
[01:57] <Dalkus>  *what would you suggest?
[01:57] <sJaM> the grub shell
[01:57] <frodo24> i change to ubuntu to try and to get my damn 3d card working so i can't some games on linux when i'm bored
[01:57] <sJaM> but if you install ubuntu, grub is installed by default
[01:57] <Smof> anyone here able to help me find out how to get my scanner working? I've tried using google and came up with nothing, and I'm too much of an ubuntu newbie to guess my way through it
[01:58] <ben_underscore> frodo24, all i can possibly suggest is that there is some weirdness happening with your modem under linux.
[01:58] <frodo24> but i workd with mdk kdialer
[01:59] <frodo24> is not a winmodem
[01:59] <ben_underscore> frodo24, ok.
[01:59] <sJaM> dalkus it is quite easy
[01:59] <frodo24> can i get kdialer for ubuntu?
[01:59] <sJaM> to do it with the shell
[01:59] <sJaM> type: sudo grub
[02:00] <sJaM> root (hd0, 0) if that is the location where you /boot resides
[02:00] <sJaM> setup (hd0) if you want it in your mbr
[02:00] <Dalkus> yeah just managed, gonna reboot in a sec
[02:00] <ben_underscore> frodo24, perhaps do a google for the hardware type and the pppd version on ubuntu?
[02:00] <sJaM> it is also wise to make a floppy
[02:01] <sJaM> with grub on it
[02:01] <frodo24> i have the ppp of 5.04 ubuntu
[02:01] <naliothatwrk> grub-floppy
[02:02] <klaym> hello! does anyone know of a gnu-licensed, simple 3d modeling program? (I'd do fine with as simple as Valve Hammer)
[02:02] <frodo24> yes
[02:02] <frodo24> i know
[02:02] <sJaM> same procedure only then with your floppy
[02:02] <frodo24> well i don't know valve hammer
[02:03] <klaym> it's the tool for making maps for HL/CS :P
[02:03] <frodo24> but i know 2 good gnu 3d modelrs
[02:03] <koan> Hi.
[02:03] <klaym> ok. can they be found on apt?
[02:03] <visor> klaym: Kpovray maybe
[02:03] <klaym> visor: thanks I'll check
[02:03] <sJaM> root (fd0)
[02:04] <sJaM> setup (fd0)
[02:04] <chrissturm> klaym, blender is good
[02:04] <sJaM> although you have to copy your /boot to the floppy first
[02:04] <Ephyon> hello
[02:04] <frodo24> there is 3dmax for gamers, and blender
[02:05] <frodo24> 3dmax is not the comercial one i mean the free download version use for makin games
[02:05] <Ephyon> oh yeah? sound interesting
[02:06] <chrissturm> frodo24, and that 3dmax runs on linux?
[02:06] <klaym> I've been using 3dsmax and it's very good. but I have a very limited computer capacity on my use now
[02:06] <frodo24> i use povray but not for making maps i stop making maps
[02:06] <chrissturm> klaym, use blender, its very nice
[02:06] <Ephyon> hey? what are you talking about?
[02:07] <klaym> chrissturm: I'll check that
[02:07] <chrissturm> there's also maya for linux but its expensive
[02:07] <Ephyon> can i join?
[02:07] <bassembg> hi
[02:07] <Ephyon> hi too
[02:07] <bassembg> i'm editing my xconfig file using vi
[02:07] <bassembg> how to save changes
[02:07] <spo0nman> is there a meta package to installing gnome?
[02:07] <frodo24> i can't help more is long time i don't go around to the world of making maps for games
[02:08] <bimberi> bassembg: :wq <- saves and quits
[02:08] <frodo24> but there has to be something out there
[02:08] <bassembg> how to do this
[02:08] <bassembg> press w and q at the same time
[02:08] <sam_> what was the command for checking free space on a disk again?
[02:09] <bassembg> press w and q at the same time?
[02:09] <bimberi> bassembg: no - colon ":", then "w", then "q"
[02:09] <weiers> Hi ... I think I need to configure ESD to release the soundcard when it is not using it in order for me to be able to listen to music etc.  Unfortuanately the wiki seems to be broken at that point. It give me the entries, but it does not say where I can find the esd configuratrion file. Can somebody give me advice?
[02:09] <bimberi> sam_: df -h
[02:09] <sam_> bimberi, thanks
[02:09] <bimberi> sam_: yw :)
[02:10] <bassembg> i'll be back , i hope
[02:11] <Gato26_asturias> Alguien q hable espaol?
[02:11] <frodo24> where can i get dedicated software for ubuntu?
[02:11] <frodo24> si yo
[02:11] <frodo24> hola, eres asturiano?
[02:11] <hmrocha> What happened to ubuntuguide.org?
[02:11] <weiers> Any pointers to where I can find the ESD configuration file?
[02:12] <frodo24> Gato26 que quieres?
[02:12] <kevin> tanki: I am using the xfc4 desktop and want to add the button to get to my programs, any ideas?
[02:12] <bimberi> weiers: I have a /etc/esound/esd.conf - perhaps that's it
[02:13] <asdasd> dude does ubuntu have a cyber cafe software ?
[02:13] <Gato26_asturias> hola frodo pues ponerme al dia en linux
[02:13] <bassembg> hi again
[02:13] <weiers> thanks bimberi ... will go look
[02:13] <bassembg> i did it , i change my screen resolution
[02:14] <asdasd> hi
[02:14] <bimberi> weiers: yw :)
[02:14] <asdasd> anyone know ?
[02:14] <bassembg> bimber , do u want to know how
[02:14] <bimberi> bassembg: yes pls :)
[02:14] <frodo24> no puedo connectar me con el modem me caigo despues de connectar me con timofonica
[02:14] <asdasd> bassembg does ubuntu have a cyber cafe software ?
[02:15] <weiers> bimberi, that seems to be it. I'll edit it and see waht I can do.
[02:15] <bimberi> weiers: k - good luck :)
[02:15] <frodo24> demomento no puedo hacer mucho con ubuntu
[02:15] <asdasd> !cyber cafe
[02:15] <ubotu> asdasd: I don't know
[02:15] <bassembg> ok i edit my xorg.config file
[02:15] <frodo24> yes i have asdasd
[02:15] <bimberi> hmrocha: ubuntuguide.org loads for me
[02:16] <frodo24> something of kde for ciber
[02:16] <bassembg> it seems to know the vga but not the moniter
[02:16] <asdasd> frodo24 do you have it ?
[02:16] <asdasd> yes i need it for my cafe
[02:16] <frodo24> on dvd
[02:16] <asdasd> oh
[02:16] <frodo24> ok i tell u the name
[02:16] <asdasd> can send to my email pls
[02:16] <bassembg> so i entered the vertical and horizental frequenceys of my monitor and it works
[02:17] <frodo24> may be
[02:17] <ordi666> I'd like some help about forcing my computer tu use some drivers instead of the one that ubuntu load automaticaly for my wifi card, please ;)
[02:17] <frodo24> kde kiosk
[02:17] <bimberi> bassembg: ah ok.  Glad that worked for you.
[02:18] <asdasd> i must pay for it or not ?
[02:18] <frodo24> no is gnu
[02:18] <bassembg> hope it will work for u too
[02:18] <asdasd> it working on gnome too frodo ?
[02:19] <GNULinuxer> ordi666: unload those drivers ... load your own drivers
[02:19] <frodo24> don't know let me read the review
[02:19] <kevin> ordi666: I am using the d-link dwl-g650 and the base driver worked for me
[02:19] <cion> hey all, I'm using totem-xine and i can't play .wmv file what do I have to do?
[02:19] <to0om> cion, install w32codecs
[02:19] <GNULinuxer> cion: apt-get install w32codecs
[02:19] <frodo24> is very big revie
[02:19] <frodo24> w
[02:20] <frodo24> look at web
[02:20] <frodo24> is better u check the program site
[02:20] <asdasd> ok btw thks frodo i will googling for it
[02:20] <cion> that's after adding extra reps right?
[02:21] <frodo24> good luck
[02:21] <to0om> yes cion
[02:21] <cion> ok thx all
[02:22] <PiTiLeZarD> me revoila avec xChat c'est dja mieux
[02:22] <PiTiLeZarD> lol
[02:22] <Heimdall> hey
[02:22] <Heimdall> what are the port TCP and UDP that I need to open for azureus ?
[02:23] <kevin> ordi666: have you looked for the wiki on your make and model card?
[02:23] <ordi666> GNULinuxer, I can't unload orinoco_cs module till the card is plugged in, and when it's unpluged it's unloaded automaticaly, but as soon as it's pluged back they load :S
[02:23] <GNULinuxer> ordi666: modprobe -r -f orinoco_cs
[02:24] <frodo24> how can i desable the pc speaker everytime i use tab in bash
[02:24] <sJaM> you can define them yourself Heimdall
[02:24] <frodo24> '
[02:24] <sJaM> in the config somewhere
[02:24] <GNULinuxer> ordi666: edit /etc/modules and remove orinoco_cs if it's there
[02:25] <sJaM> you only have to open 1 tcp port and an optional udp port
[02:25] <Heimdall> sJaM, I know but maybe it is better to put default ones
[02:25] <Heimdall> 6889 is good then ?
[02:25] <sJaM> yes
[02:25] <sJaM> default ports for bittorrent are a lot
[02:25] <sJaM> since it used to have for each torrent a port
[02:25] <Heimdall> ok
[02:25] <sJaM> but clients are dropping that policy
[02:25] <ordi666> GNULinuxer, nop they arent there
[02:25] <to0om> a general question: is it recommended to install packages from the backports servers, or is it better i leave my fingers from them?
[02:26] <ordi666> modprobe -r -f orinoco_cs          FATAL: Module orinoco_cs is in use.
[02:26] <Dalkus> thanks sJaM, fixed it.
[02:26] <Heimdall> sJaM, but in the options it is written 6889 TCP, I just oppened it but it does not download (red head)
[02:26] <sJaM> I never understood why they have a grub-install actually ?
[02:27] <sJaM> I have my second hd on hdd and with lilo and grub-install I have to manual change that
[02:27] <kevin> what is a good and lite web browser?
[02:27] <sJaM> but with using grub it works right out of the box
[02:27] <sJaM> lynx kevin
[02:27] <kevin> thanx
[02:27] <GNULinuxer> ordi666: well, it seems forced module unloading is not allowed in the default kernel
[02:27] <sJaM> it is a terminal one ;)
[02:28] <frodo24> where can i get software for ubuntu
[02:28] <sJaM> Heimdall, you can use https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 (Shields Up) to check if your ports are not stealth (open or close)
[02:28] <kevin> okay I want one that I will be able to check email with
[02:29] <el_kato> frodo24:    apt-get install "program"
[02:29] <sJaM> you could try Epiphany kevin
[02:29] <bimberi> frodo24: Synaptic
[02:29] <kevin> I may thanx again
[02:29] <frodo24> i can't as i have no net
[02:29] <frodo24> working
[02:29] <sJaM> but it uses the gecko engine
[02:29] <sJaM> so I don't know if it is light enough for you
[02:30] <kevin> I am using a p1 233 with 48 mb ram
[02:30] <sJaM> are you using gnome ?
[02:30] <ordi666> GNULinuxer, I supose that there is a file that say that if my card is present it have to load orinoco_cs , if I change it to load hostap instead that should work no ?
[02:30] <el_kato>  frodo24: if the software is on the ubuntu cd it will tell you
[02:30] <kevin> right now no, using the xfce4
[02:30] <sJaM> ok
[02:30] <sJaM> you could check freshmeat.net
[02:30] <kevin> that improved the speed a lot
[02:31] <kingruedi> hi
[02:31] <GNULinuxer> ordi666: that's done via hotplug
[02:31] <kevin> I will soon, just thinking about what all I have to do today.......... yukkk laundry and more customers lol
[02:31] <kingruedi> I removed ubuntu-desktop and now I'm missing the Administration tools
[02:32] <kingruedi> which package must be installed for the administration tools?
[02:32] <Heimdall> sJaM,
[02:32] <Heimdall> 6889 	
[02:32] <Heimdall> OPEN! 	Unknown Protocol for this port
[02:32] <Heimdall> Unknown Application for this port
[02:33] <kevin> sjam: is Heimdall using a router?
[02:33] <Heimdall> kevin, yes
[02:34] <Heimdall> but I openned the port 6889 both udp and tcp
[02:34] <Heimdall> it should works
[02:34] <sJaM> kevin, that doesn't matter
[02:34] <kevin> sjam: okidoki
[02:34] <sJaM> shields up checks it finds something behind the port
[02:34] <sJaM> Heimdall, open that means there is nothing wrong with your ports settings (firewall/router)
[02:34] <sJaM> something is wrong with the tracker perhaps ?
[02:35] <Heimdall> sJaM, hum no...
[02:35] <siimo> how to check the memory usage program by program in commandline? like task manager on windows?
[02:35] <othernoob> siimo: top
[02:35] <action09> siimo  sudo  top   and sort it by memory doing  shift + M   or CPU Usage doing  shift + P
[02:35] <sJaM> red means that it is not started
[02:35] <sJaM> if you view the details of the torrent
[02:35] <sJaM> there is perhaps a error msg
[02:36] <siimo> top is not showing all programs :-/ >
[02:36] <red_flower> guy's what shutdown command to shutdown my pc
[02:36] <othernoob> action09: what do you need sudo for top?
[02:36] <red_flower> on shell prompt
[02:36] <Heimdall> sJaM, at centraltracker.org:81 I have : d14:failure reason56:unsupported tracker protocol, please upgrade your cliente
[02:36] <bimberi> red_flower: shutdown -h now
[02:36] <to0om> would you recommend putting the backports into the sources.list or not??
[02:36] <red_flower> oh thanks
[02:36] <red_flower> c u
[02:36] <red_flower> night
[02:37] <othernoob> to0om: only the hoary-backports
[02:37] <action09> othernoob  yes you're right.. cos i was using iftop and it was mandatory in this case  :)
[02:37] <bimberi> to0om: I do - but only for installing something I need.  For (dist-)upgrades I edit the backports lines out
[02:37] <othernoob> action09: :)
[02:38] <kingruedi> which package includes the administration tools?
[02:38] <action09> siimo  don't need to do   'sudo'  so  :)
[02:38] <siimo> yes but not all programs are showing up in top
[02:38] <siimo> can i scroll down somehow?
[02:39] <Heimdall> sJaM, where could be the error ?
[02:39] <sJaM> "d14:failure reason56:unsupported tracker protocol, please upgrade your cliente"
[02:39] <Heimdall> yeah but I don't understand it...
[02:40] <Heimdall> my azureus is not old
[02:40] <Benji> ubuntuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[02:40] <highvolt1ge> ruuuuuuuules
[02:40] <Benji> but i'm here with debian :)
[02:40] <highvolt1ge> debian is cool too.
[02:41] <sJaM> perhaps it is the trackers fault
[02:41] <kingruedi> where are the administration tools?
[02:42] <Heimdall> sJaM, I have doubts, there are thousands of downloaders for this file... it has to work
[02:43] <liable> Benji: wtf was that all abot?
[02:43] <sJaM> could you dcc me the torrent
[02:44] <to0om> kingruedi, look what ubuntu-desktop depends on, and install those packages
[02:45] <to0om> then your administration tools should be there again
[02:45] <Wimpie>  does anybody know what is goin on with prism54.org website ?
[02:45] <Heimdall> sJaM, 14:44:25]  Not monitoring 'filename': tracker available (announce: http://centraltracker.org:81/announce)
[02:46] <sJaM> well it certainly doesn't have anything todo with azureus or ubuntu
[02:46] <Wimpie> well, I try to install a SMC wlan card in ubuntu and it failed
[02:47] <Wimpie> so I wanted to check that site to see what is going on
[02:47] <Sheng> Hello.
[02:47] <Heimdall> sJaM, I don't know really...
[02:47] <Sheng> Does Ubuntu support the Ralink RT2500 out of the box?
[02:47] <Sheng> WEP
[02:48] <Fraeon> There is no box
[02:48] <othernoob> Fraeon: are you sure?
[02:48] <Pro_Newbie> How to add cyrilic encoding in Kopete? There plenty of ISO, CP and so on that i don understand. Im from bulgaria
[02:49] <othernoob> Fraeon: i've seen ubuntu in boxes for 20 bucks :p
[02:49] <Heimdall> sJaM, is it working for you ?
[02:51] <bimberi> Sheng: It would seem not - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Rt2500WirelessCardsHowTo
[02:52] <Sheng> that sucks ass
[02:52] <Sheng> mandrina supporst it
[02:52] <leroj> i want this to work: http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~kuliniew/rhythmbox-applet/
[02:52] <Sheng> and i cant get it to work manually
[02:53] <vertex> Hello everybody, does anybody have a working "whereami" config?
[02:54] <vertex> ?
[02:55] <Virtuall> what is whereami? :D
[02:55] <sJaM> yip Heimdall
[02:55] <sJaM> working for me
[02:55] <sJaM> using the original bittorrent client
[02:56] <A[D] minS> whats is da last kernel ?
[02:56] <nightswim> www.kernel.org
[02:56] <A[D] minS> apt-get install kernel-2.6..12 ?
[02:56] <A[D] minS> nightswim, i mean from packages?
[02:56] <Heimdall> I don't understand.....................
[02:57] <vertex> whereami is a auto-network configurtion util at boot time
[02:57] <Virtuall> wow :)
[02:58] <Smof> Hi guys. Does anyone know if the standard Ubuntu kernel supports scanners?
[02:58] <GNULinuxer> Smof: it does
[02:58] <Smof> So no module required then?
[02:59] <Pro_Newbie> Anyone can helpp me? ? :(
[02:59] <qt2> o.O steange
[02:59] <Sheng> thanks for that link
[02:59] <Sheng> at least now, i can configure it
[02:59] <bimberi> Sheng: yw - hope it works for you :)
[03:00] <Smof> Presumably, if you plug in a USB device, it should show up when you type lsusb, right?
[03:01] <dylan_> I get the message that my iPod File Structure is missing while in GTKPod.  How do  I fix this?
[03:01] <Pro_Newbie> Ah Come one
[03:01] <Pro_Newbie> :(
[03:02] <dylan_> What?
[03:02] <seeker> All questions and no answers?
[03:03] <dylan_> I know nothing.
[03:03] <dylan_> Do you advise that I switch back to Windows?
[03:03] <sJaM> I am now checking bittornado
[03:05] <seeker> Heheheh same here. Ubuntu was doing pretty good with few issues until I got greedy and added Kubuntu then limewired til I filled up my hard drive now I can't keep up with all the bugs showing up.
[03:05] <sJaM> btw Heimdall bittorrent uses default ports between 6881 and 6999
[03:07] <Heimdall> sJaM, hum.. so I should open all of them ??  noo ??
[03:07] <othernoob> sJaM: are you sure about 6999 :p
[03:08] <othernoob> sJaM: didn't you mean to say 6889?
[03:09] <ordi666> I'd like some help, I installed (no error) Hostap driver, but when I plugg the card the stupid orinoco_cs module load instead, please I'd like some help
[03:09] <AlexBO> hello world!I've just installed Grip, but the ripping of the cd-rom is very slowly.can i set the CD-ROM reading speed?
[03:10] <othernoob> AlexBO: enable DMA
[03:10] <action09> yep
[03:10] <action09> AlexBO  on wiki index search DMA
[03:10] <m0biu5> hi everyone =), how are we today?
[03:10] <AlexBO> othernoob:where?
[03:10] <AlexBO> action09:wiki of ubuntu or wikipedia?
[03:10] <m0biu5> former
[03:11] <dylan_> So does anybody know how I can fix my iPod?
[03:11] <othernoob> AlexBO: in a terminal. sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hd*  *=> for example c, if your cdrom drive is hdc
[03:11] <dylan_> Screw this....switching back to Windows in 5 minutes.
[03:11] <othernoob> AlexBO: sudo hdparm -v /dev/hd* to check whether DMA is enabled or not
[03:12] <m0biu5> anyone know why thunderbird isnt packaged with ubuntu?
[03:12] <dj28> it uses evolution by default i think
[03:12] <dj28> you can apt-get it
[03:12] <m0biu5> i know, im just curious dj28
[03:13] <dj28> i guess someone had a preference for evolution ;)
[03:13] <martigan> thunderbird keeps hanging here.. got 53000 new emails but it's to much to handle i think on a 1.8 with 1 gb ram :P
[03:13] <m0biu5> guess so =P
[03:13] <m0biu5> 53K?
[03:13] <m0biu5> holy smack..
[03:13] <sJaM> no othernoob according to bittorrent it uses default from 6881 to 6999
[03:13] <othernoob> martigan: 53000 new emails= and you actually want them??
[03:13] <sJaM> but azureus only uses 1 port Heimdall so just choose a port and opne that one
[03:13] <martigan> hehe not checked that box for a long time ;)
[03:14] <othernoob> a very long time indeed
[03:14] <m0biu5> is that your ISP email?
[03:14] <martigan> no
[03:14] <martigan> company one hehe
[03:14] <m0biu5> ouch.
[03:14] <Heimdall> othernoob, you know something about azureus ports ?
[03:14] <AlexBO> othernoob: why are you used the '1' option?
[03:15] <othernoob> AlexBO: what?
[03:15] <martigan> ill try to remove most of the spam trough webmail now ;)
[03:15] <othernoob> Heimdall: not that much
[03:15] <m0biu5> Before - 53K, after, 42.
[03:15] <martigan> proberly yes
[03:15] <AlexBO> othernoob:sorry. why have you used -d1 (one) and not only -d?
[03:16] <Jonex> How do I remove all files ending with .html in a folder and it's subfolders?
[03:16] <m0biu5> my problem with thunderbird is that it wont let me change any of the settings for the default account - it quietly crashes.. I tried to export my stuff from windows a few months ago when I switched..
[03:16] <m0biu5> it didnt go so well =/
[03:16] <othernoob> AlexBO: because you have to set DMA to 1
[03:16] <martigan> but still a bad thing it lets thunderbird crash :P
[03:16] <othernoob> AlexBO: 1= on, 0=off
[03:16] <Heimdall> othernoob, this is odd, I have openned all ports both tcp and udp between 6881 and 6889, but it is still not downloading
[03:16] <martigan> it can poll the mail but you cant select the folder incoming afte rthat ;)
[03:16] <othernoob> Heimdall: have you tried a different torrent?
[03:17] <Heimdall> othernoob, sJaM has tried the torrent, it works
[03:17] <sJaM> nothing wrong with the torrent
[03:17] <sJaM> I can download on with bittorrent
[03:17] <AlexBO> othernoob: okey. in the manual it wasn't so clear. thank you
[03:17] <sJaM> something that has todo with azureus
[03:17] <othernoob> AlexBO: you're welcome
[03:17] <sJaM> because shields up shows that port as open
[03:17] <Heimdall> yes, azureus too
[03:18] <othernoob> sJaM: i use Azureus and have yet to encounter a problem.
[03:18] <Heimdall> no pb for the ports...
[03:18] <sJaM> well here you have
[03:18] <sJaM> I using bittorrent
[03:18] <Heimdall> othernoob, so, a torrent is not downloading, red head, what would you do ?
[03:18] <othernoob> Heimdall: so you're not connecting to any peers/seeds?
[03:19] <AlexBO> othernoob: have i to modificate hdparm.conf?
[03:19] <Heimdall> othernoob, indeed
[03:19] <othernoob> Heimdall: first i'd check whether this is the only torrent with that problem
[03:19] <othernoob> AlexBO: it wouldn't hurt
[03:19] <vertex> remember that bittornado conflicts with bittorrent and therefore both of them should *not* be installed at the same time
[03:20] <AlexBO> othernoob:okey.thanks
[03:20] <Heimdall> othernoob, it is not... same pb with another torrent
[03:20] <Heimdall> othernoob, and sJaM  has no pb with the torrent, must be something else
[03:20] <othernoob> Heimdall: then i'd assume that it's a problem with your settings
[03:20] <othernoob> and/or connection
[03:20] <bigfoot1> hello, where can i get more fonts for ubuntu, for use in word processing?
[03:20] <Heimdall> othernoob, possible but I don't know then
[03:21] <Heimdall> othernoob, the port in option/connection is set to 6889
[03:21] <Heimdall> and this one is openned.. so... probably not that too
[03:21] <othernoob> Heimdall: weird..tried a diff port?
[03:21] <Heimdall> yes
[03:21] <othernoob> weird indeed
[03:22] <Heimdall> .. :'(
[03:22] <othernoob> Heimdall: does your ISP block these ports?
[03:22] <blacksky> has anyone got Flash working? The hoary-extra source in my sources.list, is being ignored.
[03:22] <sJaM> no
[03:22] <sJaM> Shields up display them as open
[03:22] <sJaM> Jul 16 14:32:44 Heimdall        6889
[03:22] <sJaM> Jul 16 14:32:44 Heimdall        OPEN!   Unknown Protocol for this port
[03:22] <othernoob> mmh..
[03:23] <Proteque> is the ppc-installer capable of resizing partitions like the x86-install?
[03:23] <Heimdall> [15:14:11]  Not monitoring 'filename': tracker available (announce: http://centraltracker.org:81/announce)
[03:23] <Heimdall> what does it mean ???
[03:24] <Raptoid> d14:failure reason56:unsupported tracker protocol, please upgrade your cliente
[03:24] <Heimdall> yes I know
[03:24] <Heimdall> but what does it mean too ??
[03:25] <othernoob> Heimdall: well, have you updated your client?
[03:25] <Heimdall> you mean azureus?
[03:25] <othernoob> yes
[03:25] <Heimdall> in the help menu there is check for update ok ?
[03:26] <Heimdall> i click on it but nothing appears... I assume this means there is no update
[03:26] <othernoob> what version do you have
[03:26] <Heimdall> 2.3.0.4
[03:26] <nagual> Hello. I have hoary main in sources.list, i have a p 4 (3 gig) with two satas, 512 meg ram, an ati radeon 9800 se with 256 megs of ram, and when i install either linux-image-2.6.11-1-686 or linux-image-2.6.11-1-686-smp my computer hangs just when my machine is about to finnish loading gnome (i have logged in to user account, and its just about to populate the buttons in the wm)
[03:26] <to|m> someone an idea why my rythmbox don't have mp3 suppoert. NO mp3 plugin installed? Where to get it?
[03:26] <othernoob> 2.3.0.4 is the latest.
[03:27] <nagual> maybe i should try linux-image-2.6.11-1-386
[03:27] <Proteque> noone tested the ppc-installer?
[03:27] <othernoob> Heimdall: tried a different torrent-client?
[03:28] <Heimdall> othernoob, this is not a solution, I won't try a different client each time I have a pb ... :-/
[03:28] <othernoob> Heimdall: sure, but it'd eliminate the possible causes ;)
[03:29] <Heimdall> what other good client to you suggest me ?
[03:29] <onkarshinde> I have some custom keys on my keyboard (Compaq). How do I make them usable in Ubuntu?
[03:29] <othernoob> what's sJaM using Heimdall ?
[03:29] <Heimdall> original bittorent client
[03:29] <Heimdall> http://www.bittorrent.com/  <<[03:30] <sJaM> don't know
[03:30] <sJaM> the one from Bram
[03:30] <sJaM> apt-get install bittorrent bittorrent-gui
[03:31] <othernoob> well, that or bittornado then..both available in the repos
[03:31] <qt2> Heimdall, that only shows up when the tracker isnt available...
[03:31] <Heimdall> qt2,  ?
[03:31] <Heimdall> what is 'that' ?
[03:31] <qt2> that errror...
[03:32] <Heimdall> but it tells it is available
[03:32] <Heimdall> and sJaM can dl it
[03:32] <othernoob> qt2: if the tracker wasn't available it'd at least go to dht and most likely find someone
[03:33] <onkarshinde> I have some custom keys on my keyboard (Compaq). How do I make them usable in Ubuntu?
[03:33] <seeker> Is there something in Kubuntu that overides the bios? I'm wanting to start over and reload ubuntu but now my computer won't boot from cd anymore.
[03:33] <scanwinder> on my old 166 laptop, i have ubuntu installed and im using fluxbox, it takes forever to open up fluxbox, is there anything i can do to speed it up?
[03:33] <qt2> othernoob, http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:KqZ-WFdo6jkJ:sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php%3Fforum_id%3D40629%26style%3Dflat%26viewday%3D6%26viewmonth%3D200503+%22Not+monitoring%22+%22tracker+available%22&hl=en&client=firefox
[03:33] <AlexBO> othernoob: it doesn't work.it's slow
[03:34] <A[D] minS> AlexBO, same with me :) .... slooooooooooow
[03:34] <onkarshinde> I have some custom keys on my keyboard (Compaq). How do I make them usable in Ubuntu?
[03:34] <A[D] minS> but kde much better
[03:34] <Heimdall> sJaM, your bittorent software works
[03:35] <AlexBO> A[D] minS:i hate kde.sloooooow
[03:35] <Heimdall> download is active :/
[03:35] <Heimdall> i don't understand
[03:36] <A[D] minS> looooool
[03:36] <ara> Hi.. Does anyone know anything about having problems burning CDs in Hoary?
[03:36] <qt2> othernoob, read the code ;)
[03:36] <qt2> ara, what sort of problem?
[03:36] <AlexBO> othernoob: i understand. it extract and decodified at the same time.that's why.bye
[03:36] <othernoob> qt2: heh, a bit too much to read ;)
[03:36] <onkarshinde> I have some custom keys on my keyboard (Compaq). How do I make them usable in Ubuntu?
[03:36] <othernoob> AlexBO: okay i guess
[03:36] <Garrison> Anyone have an nForce2 kernel-config I could have?
[03:36] <qt2> othernoob, heh, the parts that pertain to the problem are highlighted thanks to google... ;)
[03:36] <ara> Trying to burn from Nautilus gives an error asking for a blank CD to be inserted, even when the CD is blank. Tried lots of different disks.
[03:37] <qt2> othernoob, a bit more than halfway down the webpage. ;)
[03:38] <Heimdall> sJaM, your client is a little obscure :)
[03:38] <dmk> okeanos, have you tried selecting the compaq keyboards from System - Preferences - Keyboards
[03:38] <onkarshinde> Will seamonkey (new unofficial mozilla suite) ever make to Hoary repositories?
[03:39] <sJaM> no it isn't
[03:39] <yuacht> where can i get cool fonts for ubuntu?
[03:39] <sJaM> depends on what your using
[03:39] <sJaM> I always use
[03:39] <dmk> sorry okeanos, I meant onkarshinde ;-)
[03:39] <Heimdall> sJaM, where are parameters options ?
[03:39] <sJaM> btdownloadcurses
[03:39] <sJaM> look mom, without x hehe
[03:40] <sJaM> just run without any arguments
[03:40] <Heimdall> hum... :)
[03:40] <Heimdall> it has shown that my pb came from azureus, certainly a configuration pb... :-/
[03:40] <sJaM> not many options
[03:41] <sJaM> that's why bittornado has his existense right
[03:41] <ara> qt2, any ideas?
[03:41] <qt2> ara, not really.
[03:41] <qt2> ara, although, i'm a bit sidetracked.
[03:41] <Heimdall> bittornado, another client ??
[03:41] <ara> That makes two of us then ;)
[03:41] <sJaM> forked from bittorrent
[03:42] <sJaM> with more options
[03:42] <Heimdall> I heard that azureus was the best to have .?
[03:42] <sJaM> yes
[03:42] <sJaM> it is one (if it isn't the best) of the best bt clients
[03:42] <sJaM> BitComet seems to gain popularity though
[03:42] <sJaM> but I only use it once in a while
[03:43] <sJaM> and java and linux doesn't play well together
[03:43] <Heimdall> hum, well it would be cool if it could work :)
[03:43] <sJaM> idd
[03:44] <other|study> sJaM: why doesn't java and linux play well together?
[03:44] <sJaM> don't know
[03:45] <sJaM> you think they are ?
[03:45] <lsuactiafner>  CTCP PING reply from lsuactiafner: 577.568 seconds
[03:45] <lsuactiafner> heh that rocked
[03:46] <other|study> sJaM: linux has little to do with java.
[03:46] <qt2> Heimdall, perhaps you should try #azureus to solve your azureus issue?
[03:46] <frodo2441> i'm back i gone to ubuntu and now i have a short log of what i get with pon
[03:46] <sJaM> and tell that your port is open
[03:46] <qt2> Bitcomet sucks majorly by the way, and java and linux play fine together.
[03:46] <sJaM> and that you can download with bittorrent
[03:46] <lsuactiafner> sJaM : linux + java does play well?
[03:46] <Heimdall> qt2, oh i didn't know it exist
[03:46] <Heimdall> :)
[03:46] <qt2> Heimdall, ;)
[03:46] <lsuactiafner> never had problems with java in linux
[03:47] <sJaM> I had
[03:47] <onkarshinde> Which java is best for linuz? Sun, IBM or the one that is in repos?
[03:47] <Heimdall> qt2, #azureus-users is better I think
[03:47] <dj28> java works great in linux. i do a lot of development with it
[03:47] <to0om> me too
[03:47] <lsuactiafner> onkarshinde : sun
[03:47] <sJaM> well if you compare with python
[03:47] <other|study> java works "great" on any system..
[03:48] <lsuactiafner> sun made java. i will trust the offical keepers of java to develop java
[03:48] <Sean___> hey
[03:48] <dj28> onkarshinde: ibm's version isn't fully compliant
[03:48] <sJaM> I don't like java very much :D
[03:48] <dj28> it will not work with a lot of apps
[03:48] <dj28> use sun's
[03:48] <other|study> sJaM: java is the same on every machine..you can't compare it to another language that easily. and if you do, why not compare it with ruby instead :p
[03:48] <blacksky> arggh, this is driving me nuts. Why are some of the sources in my /etc/apt/sources.list getting ignored (Ign:)?
[03:48] <hume> hi...i am trying to make a pxe installation of ubuntu, but cannot get the pxe boot to work - anyone knows how the tftpboot folder are to look like?
[03:49] <sJaM> well because bittorrent is made in python and azureus in java
[03:49] <onkarshinde> Hey anybody of you have tried project looking glass?
[03:49] <Sean___> are there any tweaks for ubuntu/gnome that lets you make a window "Always on top"?
[03:49] <bigfoot1> I found some great .ttf fonts on the internet. In what folder should I put them, in order for my PC (and openoffice) to recognize these new fonts?
[03:49] <sJaM> you can do it with every window onkarshinde
[03:49] <sJaM> sorry
[03:49] <sJaM> you can do it with every window Sean___
[03:49] <sJaM> just click on the icon
[03:49] <other|study> sJaM: well, java is a shitty language. but that has absolutely nothing to do with linux
[03:49] <Sean___> oh :P
[03:49] <linukso> bigfoot1: ~/.fonts
[03:49] <anto9us> Sean___: just right click the title bar and select on top
[03:50] <Sean___> ok
[03:50] <Sean___> thanks :P
[03:50] <bigfoot1> linukso, i'm afraid i don't have that folder. I can't find it in nautilus (file explorer)... 8-(
[03:50] <martigan> hi
[03:50] <onkarshinde> other|study: What maked you think java is shit?
[03:50] <sJaM> othernoob, well perhaps it is just my linux that doesn't work nice with java
[03:50] <linukso> bigfoot1: create it
[03:50] <sJaM> because everythings has to be OOP
[03:51] <bigfoot1> linukso, you mean these new fonts will not be in the folder that has all the old/pre-installed fonts?
[03:51] <martigan> someone could help me? gnome isnt starting up anymore it hangs right after login, i removed some sound modules and added some, has to do with it :S?
[03:51] <other|study> onkarshinde: google for "why i hate java" and you'll find the answers ;)
[03:51] <lsuactiafner> martigan : my guess is you removed the video driver module lol
[03:51] <anto9us> I hate java
[03:51] <linukso> bigfoot1: if you put the fonts in there, they should show up everywhere
[03:52] <martigan> nah dont think the video drivers :P
[03:52] <onkarshinde> IMHO java has made lot of contribution to internet
[03:52] <dj28> they've made a lot of contributions to linux by merely porting it..
[03:52] <other|study> sJaM: ruby is OOP as well and better at it than java :p
[03:52] <Discipulus> Java? Yea.
[03:52] <bigfoot1> linukso, As a newbie, i'm just wondering: is this the usual way of installing new fonts? Don't new fonts belong in the same folder as old fonts?
[03:52] <sJaM> well I like python
[03:52] <sJaM> because you can go either way
[03:52] <martigan> how do i start the gnome sound server i think that is what missing
[03:52] <Discipulus> Java, IMHO, is the only TRULY portable programming language
[03:53] <sJaM> no
[03:53] <Discipulus> I'm not saying it's a good language or a bad language, but it does what it was meant to do
[03:53] <linukso> bigfoot1: fonts available to all users are in /usr/share/fonts/
[03:53] <sJaM> it was ment for multimedia on the internet
[03:53] <linukso> bigfoot1: but you can add personal fonts by putting them in ~/.fonts
[03:53] <linukso> bigfoot1: ~ == you home folder
[03:54] <bigfoot1> linukso, I'm the only user on my computer. No one else uses my computer.
[03:54] <linukso> bigfoot1: then just put them in you personal font folder. If you open fonts:/// in nautilus, they should show up.
[03:54] <sJaM> java isn't very portable because it is not nice to install java on linux
[03:55] <bigfoot1> linukso, do i have to run a command in terminal afterwards?
[03:55] <dj28> sJaM: what in the world are you talking about? it installs on linux just as easily as windows
[03:55] <sJaM> I think C is also very portable
[03:55] <other|study> sJaM: what are you talking about? java is easily installed.
[03:55] <sJaM> just compile it on the os itself
[03:55] <anto9us> you can't get more portable than an application server
[03:55] <linukso> bigfoot1: nope
[03:55] <sJaM> on linux things can be easier installed than on windows
[03:55] <sJaM> imho
[03:55] <sJaM> if atp provides is
[03:55] <thenuke_> sJaM: depends on a thing :)
[03:55] <djp> Discipulus: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html
[03:55] <sJaM> apt
[03:56] <bigfoot1> linukso, if i have a visitor to my home, coming for a vacation, and i create a user account for him, will he be able to use these fonts, too?
[03:56] <lsuactiafner> yeh
[03:56] <thenuke_> sJaM: right
[03:56] <other|study> sJaM: and yet you have problems with java?
[03:56] <sJaM> yes, finding the wiki
[03:56] <lsuactiafner> installin java on windows took me weeks to fing the line to allow java to be run from anywhere
[03:56] <sJaM> clicking on the link
[03:56] <leroj> what do i need to play .wmv?
[03:56] <sJaM> following instructions
[03:56] <dj28> ah yes, the windows path file
[03:56] <other|study> leroj: w32codecs
[03:56] <dj28> worst idea ever
[03:56] <leroj> thanks
[03:56] <sJaM> spoiled ?
[03:56] <sJaM> don't know
[03:56] <anto9us> I abondoned java and decided to go with postgresql and zope, much better solution, java is a nightmare in comparison
[03:56] <linukso> bigfoot1: nope, then you should put in /usr/share/fonts/
[03:56] <sJaM> zope is python
[03:57] <dj28> anto9us: no complaints here. zope is one of the best frameworks ever
[03:57] <dj28> but i like both python and java ;)
[03:57] <sJaM> jython
[03:57] <Bramme> can someone give me the name of a nice RSS reader for gnome with an intergrated browser?
[03:57] <naliothatwrk> bigfoot1 re your earlier question, you can use ANY truetype fonts.  they go on ~/.fonts
[03:57] <dj28> Bramme: firefox ;)
[03:57] <linukso> Bramme: blam or straw
[03:58] <Bramme> thx
[03:58] <bigfoot1> linukso,  so if i understand well, there's no good reason to selfishly put these new fonts in /fonts, correct? Or maybe you can tell me if there is a reason why one should choose to put fonts in /fonts, rather than in /usr/share/fonts, please.
[03:58] <Bramme> dj28, that's a brower with an rss reader intergrated
[03:58] <dj28> ah
[03:59] <onkarshinde> Do I have to restart X after changing keyboard type?
[03:59] <linukso> bigfoot1: the reason for putting them in ~/.fonts/ is that you might want extra fonts on a computer which you don't have root access on.
[04:00] <bigfoot1> linukso, but in my case, since i have sudo access, i should just put new fonts into usr/share/fonts, correct?
[04:00] <naliothatwrk> bigfoot1 if you put them in ~/.fonts, only YOU will have access, in /usr/share/fonts, everyone who uses the puter has access
[04:01] <anto9us> speaking of portability, you guys, xul looks very interesting
[04:01] <onkarshinde> What is exactly different in Ubuntu custom CD for HP laptop?
[04:01] <bigfoot1> linukso, I'm at /usr/share/fonts, i see three sub-folders (truetype; type1; wine) and one file (fonts.cache-1). Do i put the new fonts in this folder, or in one of the 3 sub-folders?
[04:01] <leroj> i am trying to insattl Mplayer, but i get this error: E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?. I tried apt-get update the the problem is still there
[04:01] <Discipulus> djp, very interesting read, thank you
[04:01] <linukso> bigfoot1: truetype
[04:02] <bigfoot1> linukso, what's type1?
[04:02] <linukso> bigfoot1: you might want to create a subfolder in truetype
[04:02] <naliothatwrk> bigfoot1 there are many types of fonts, type1 are adobe style, i believe
[04:02] <bigfoot1> linukso, what name should i give to this new subfolder i will create in truetype?
[04:03] <leroj> i am trying to insattl Mplayer, but i get this error: E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?. I tried apt-get update the the problem is still there
[04:03] <GHt> What do you think about Russia, friends?!
[04:03] <lsuactiafner> ccache stats : cache hit 19618 : cache size 425.1 Mbytes : files in cache 24070 (:
[04:03] <linukso> bigfoot1: type1 = postscript
[04:03] <bigfoot1> naliothatwrk, i see.
[04:03] <linukso> bigfoot1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_1_font
[04:03] <linukso> bigfoot1: whateveryouwant :)
[04:03] <scarlettecho> hi.  I'm trying to install the Opera browser but so far no luck.  Anyone here know how to do this successfully?
[04:04] <bigfoot1> linukso, and i can put more than one font in this new folder? Or should i make a new subfolder for every new font i add?
[04:04] <GHt> What do you think about Russia, my young friends?!
[04:04] <anto9us> GHt: I've never been there but, in my experience, people are the same wherever you go
[04:04] <bigfoot1> GHt, i think they are tall.
[04:04] <linukso> bigfoot1: no no, just put all you own fonts in that folder
[04:04] <bigfoot1> linukso, okie-dokie. 8-)
[04:04] <GHt> anto9us it is interesting opinion
[04:04] <other|study> scarlettecho: just download the .deb from opera.com and then sudo dpkg -i nameof.deb
[04:05] <GHt> bigfoot1 but why do you think so???
[04:05] <naliothatwrk> bigfoot1 linukso was suggesting some order to your font collection, you can have fonts directly under /truetype/ or in folders of descriptive names
[04:05] <bigfoot1> GHt, i just heard that russion people are comparitively tall.
[04:05] <leroj> i am trying to insattl Mplayer, but i get this error: E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?. I tried apt-get update the the problem is still there
[04:06] <scarlettecho> otherstudy, the Opera website link won't work for me.  it says i have something set wrong in my cookies?  I'm using Firefox....
[04:06] <bigfoot1> naliothatwrk, should one care about organizing their new fonts? is there a mess if we just put all new fonts into one folder?
[04:06] <DaZjorz> heya
[04:06] <bigfoot1> 8-)
[04:06] <GHt> bigfoot1 but it's wrong because they are the same tall as other
[04:06] <DaZjorz> I have a partitioning problem...
[04:06] <kbrooks> ask
[04:06] <leroj> i want some help :(
[04:06] <other|study> leroj: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[04:06] <DaZjorz> how do I make /dev/hde1 my root, but still be able to boot
[04:06] <leroj> i did that
[04:07] <DaZjorz> I also have a /dev/hda btw
[04:07] <anto9us> bigfoot1: I think that's true in comparison to Japanese people, not to Europeans though
[04:07] <GHt> anto9us bingo!
[04:07] <other|study> scarlettecho: then fix what's wrong with your cookies?
[04:07] <bigfoot1> anto9us, i see. 8-)
[04:08] <naliothatwrk> bigfoot1 some users like to keep the fonts they collect in some type of order (by d/l site, by style of font, etc) it is all up to you
[04:08] <DaZjorz> someone who can help me with partitioning ?
[04:08] <bigfoot1> naliothatwrk, i understand. 8-)
[04:08] <GHt> anto9us and what do you think about threre communistic past??
[04:08] <bigfoot1> i'm in the truetype folder, but i can't create a new folder. what's up?
[04:09] <DaZjorz> yes i do
[04:09] <yuacht> DaZjorz, what's the problem
[04:09] <DaZjorz> partitioning
[04:09] <DaZjorz> erm how do i make /dev/hde1 my root
[04:09] <naliothatwrk> bigfoot1 any time you are not in your ~/  folder, you need root permission to write things
[04:09] <DaZjorz> but still be able to boot ?
[04:09] <anto9us> GHt: I don't think it was the communism that Marx and Engels wrote about
[04:09] <linukso> bigfoot1: you need more power! sudo mkdir uber_fonts
[04:09] <bigfoot1> naliothatwrk, how do i give myself permission?
[04:09] <anto9us> GHt: it was elitist
[04:09] <GHt> anto9us you are the smart man!!!!!! respect!
[04:10] <bigfoot1> linukso, uber_fonts?
[04:10] <naliothatwrk> bigfoot1 you can name it what you like, just use "sudo"
[04:10] <linukso> bigfoot1: or whatever you want to name you fontfolder
[04:10] <anto9us> GHt: well, thank you, I'm not as smart as I like to think I am though :)
[04:10] <bigfoot1> can i work through nautilus (gui) rather than terminal to "powerfully" create a subfolder?
[04:11] <troglodyt> DaZjorz , are you doing a fresh install?
[04:11] <DaZjorz> yes
[04:11] <linukso> bigfoot1: you can... but then you would have to start nautilus from a terminal with sudo.
[04:11] <sJaM> yes you can bigfoot1
[04:11] <DaZjorz> i dont need to save anything so partitioning is no problem
[04:11] <naliothatwrk> bigfoot1 it is NOT advised you let nautilus have root priveleges (it can really mess up your user space)
[04:11] <GHt> anto9us and can i dare to ask you where are you from??? and what do you think about Lenin???
[04:12] <troglodyt> ok when you get to the partioning section, you just select hde and format it to ext3 and mount it as /
[04:12] <bigfoot1> naliothatwrk, can it? in that case, i'll do the "sudo mkdir" method ,then.
[04:12] <DaZjorz> no
[04:12] <DaZjorz> if I make a partition on hde and mount it as
[04:12] <DaZjorz> as /
[04:12] <naliothatwrk> bigfoot1 learning the terminal is a good investment in time
[04:12] <DaZjorz> then Linux won't boot
[04:13] <Discipulus> DaZjorz, do you already have Linux installed?
[04:13] <troglodyt> make a small /boot partiontion on hda then
[04:13] <linukso> bigfoot1: terminal is a might friend not to be afraid of :)
[04:14] <DaZjorz> Doscipulus: At the moment, yes, but I am gonna reinstall it cuz it doesnt work this way again
[04:14] <bigfoot1> okay, i've made a subfolder. but now i can't paste the .ttf (true type font) into this new subfolder. Let me guess: i need more power again.?.?  What sudo command do i do?
[04:14] <DaZjorz> Troglodyt: Won't work. It'll boot and say "Waiting for device /dev/hde1 to appear... Not Found"
[04:14] <Discipulus> DaZjorz, you have to set the root partition at install time, you can't change it
[04:15] <DaZjorz> Discipulus: I know, thats why i'm gonna reinstall
[04:15] <troglodyt> what it hde1?  usb drive?
[04:15] <anto9us> GHt: I'm from England, now living in Wales. A working class man working in IT. I think Lenin believed in democracy, I respect anyone who believes in that.
[04:15] <DaZjorz> Everyone: I know how to do partitioning :\ i'm a noob but not such a big noob...
[04:15] <Discipulus> DaZjorz, then reinstall and everything will be fine :-P
[04:15] <DaZjorz> Everyone: Its just that if I make /dev/hde1 my root, then it won't boot anymore.
[04:15] <linux-frodo24> i get disconnnected after connection
[04:15] <Frafra> hi all
[04:15] <DaZjorz> Discipulus: I tried that 3 times. Each a different way. Didn't work.
[04:15] <DaZjorz> Frafra: Hi
[04:15] <linux-frodo24> Jul 16 15:22:12 localhost pppd[15895] : No response to 4 echo-requests
[04:15] <bigfoot1> linukso, naliothatwrk okay, i've made a subfolder. but now i can't paste the .ttf (true type font) into this new subfolder. Let me guess: i need more power again.?.?  What sudo command do i do?
[04:15] <linux-frodo24> Jul 16 15:22:12 localhost pppd[15895] : Serial link appears to be disconnected.
[04:15] <linux-frodo24> Jul 16 15:22:12 localhost pppd[15895] : Connect time 1.5 minutes.
[04:15] <linux-frodo24> Jul 16 15:22:12 localhost pppd[15895] : Sent 4368 bytes, received 4804 bytes.
[04:15] <linux-frodo24> Jul 16 15:22:12 localhost pppd[15895] : Connection terminated.
[04:15] <linux-frodo24> Jul 16 15:22:13 localhost pppd[15895] : Hangup (SIGHUP)
[04:15] <Frafra> i've 20 *.wav
[04:16] <kbrooks> linux-frodo24, HEY!
[04:16] <Discipulus> linukso, paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:16] <Discipulus> er
[04:16] <linux-frodo24> yes?
[04:16] <Frafra> i must write they in a audio cd using shell
[04:16] <DaZjorz> Linux-frodo24: isn't there some paste channel for that
[04:16] <naliothatwrk> bigfoot1 use the "cp" command with sudo  (in a terminal, type "man cp" for basic usage)
[04:16] <kbrooks> don't flood the channel please. linux-frodo24
[04:16] <Discipulus> linux-frodo24, , paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:16] <linux-frodo24> what is that?
[04:16] <kbrooks> pastebin
[04:17] <Discipulus> linux-frodo24, problem with the phoneline, there's either static on the line or the phone company terminated it
[04:17] <linux-frodo24> how i use?
[04:17] <bigfoot1> naliothatwrk, is there a way to give my new subfolder write/copy permission? and is it safe?
[04:17] <Discipulus> linux-frodo24, but I'll bet on the first one ;-)
[04:17] <linukso> bigfoot1: sudo mv ~/folderwhereyoudownloadedthefont/*.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/fontfolder
[04:17] <lsuactiafner> linux-frodo24 : or a network specific modem
[04:17] <DaZjorz> Everyone: If I just set my /dev/hde1 to format and mount it to /, then Linux won't boot
[04:17] <kbrooks> why?
[04:17] <tzafrir_home> I'm testing ubuntu 5.04 . I've added universe through the graphical sources list management.
[04:17] <Discipulus> lsuactiafner, out of the 7 years I've had dial-up I've seen that problem many times, and it's never been my modem.
[04:17] <kbrooks> tzafrir_home, and?
[04:17] <DaZjorz> kbrooks: why was to me ?
[04:17] <linux-frodo24> but windows works and mdk
[04:18] <tzafrir_home> An update went well, but now I have tons of unmet dependencies (apt-cache -i unmet)
[04:18] <kbrooks> DaZjorz, yes
[04:18] <Discipulus> linux-frodo24, it isn't the OS or the modem, it's the phone line, there's nothing you can do
[04:18] <troglodyt> DaZjorz is hde a IDE drive?  where aer you putting grub?
[04:18] <tzafrir_home> e.g: Package python-imdbpy version 1.8-0.1 has an unmet dep:
[04:18] <tzafrir_home>  Depends: python (< 2.4)
[04:18] <tzafrir_home> P
[04:18] <Discipulus> linux-frodo24, is it a recurring error or is this the first time?
[04:18] <linux-frodo24> but wht works for win and mdk?
[04:18] <naliothatwrk> bigfoot1 the permissions are the filesystem the way they are for security reasons (malicious code, malicious people, etc)
[04:18] <linux-frodo24> if is phoneline?
[04:18] <Proteque> Does the ppc-install support resize of partitions?
[04:19] <DaZjorz> Troglodyt: /dev/hde is an IDE drive behind a controller. GRUB is in /dev/hda (MBR) but I don't know how to set up it to boot /dev/hde1
[04:19] <Discipulus> linux-frodo24, there is static on your phone line!!!
[04:19] <naliothatwrk> Proteque it should, yes
[04:19] <Proteque> naliothatwrk: thanx :)
[04:19] <Discipulus> linux-frodo24, doesn't mean there's static on it 24/7, maybe when you connect from windows the phone line's clear?
[04:19] <Discipulus> linux-frodo24, my suggetsion: get DSL or Cable :-P
[04:19] <kbrooks> Discipulus, no no no
[04:19] <Psystorm> I'm a total noob to Linux and can't figure out how to view my NTFS-filesystem partitions with ubuntu.
[04:19] <kbrooks> NO
[04:19] <tzafrir_home> where should I find the package "python" (version < 2.4) ?
[04:20] <Discipulus> kbrooks, are you telling me I'm wrong?
[04:20] <sJaM> it is simple DaZjorz
[04:20] <kbrooks> Discipulus, yes.
[04:20] <pw2subz> hi
[04:20] <sJaM> instead of setup (hd0)
[04:20] <naliothatwrk> !info python2.4
[04:20] <lsuactiafner> tzafrir_home : apt-cache search python
[04:20] <ubotu> python2.4: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.4)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.4.1-0 (hoary), Packaged size: 2716 kB, Installed size: 9116 kB
[04:20] <DaZjorz> sJaM: how ?
[04:20] <sJaM> you use setup (hd4,1)
[04:20] <Psystorm> Can anyone help me?
[04:20] <sJaM> if you install via grub shell
[04:20] <Discipulus> kbrooks, umm, I work for a dial-up ISP, I know what I'm talking about....
[04:20] <tzafrir_home> lsuactiafner, apt here reports broken dependencies
[04:20] <lsuactiafner> !info bitchx
[04:20] <ubotu> bitchx: (Advanced Internet Relay Chat client), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 1:1.0-0c19.20030512-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 1352 kB, Installed size: 6232 kB
[04:20] <naliothatwrk> !ntfs
[04:20] <ubotu> from memory, ntfs is the filesystem used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[04:20] <DaZjorz> sJaM: so I just type setup (hd4,1) ?
[04:20] <sJaM> well
[04:20] <DaZjorz> sJaM: i'll try now
[04:20] <sJaM> no
[04:21] <naliothatwrk> Psystorm read what ubotu said re ntfs
[04:21] <sJaM> hehe
[04:21] <DaZjorz> k
[04:21] <sJaM> first you do
[04:21] <frodo2441> damn net
[04:21] <sJaM> a root
[04:21] <Psystorm> ?
[04:21] <DaZjorz> sJaM: i'm in the grub shell.
[04:21] <sJaM> wait a sec
[04:21] <tzafrir_home> lsuactiafner, I originally simply wanted to install icewm. I added the universe soruces for that.
[04:21] <Psystorm> I didn't want to resize my NTFS partition, I wanted to view it.
[04:21] <bigfoot1> linux-frodo24, thank you!
[04:21] <sJaM> grub> find /boot/grub/stage1
[04:21] <leroj> i still can't get Mplayer to work
[04:21] <DaZjorz> sJaM: Private conversation please? I can't see anything.
[04:21] <bigfoot1> naliothatwrk, thank you/ arigato
[04:21] <sJaM> ok
[04:22] <linukso> Psystorm: did you search for ntfs in synaptic? There are tools there...
[04:22] <naliothatwrk> Psystorm if you d/l that script, it'll mount your nfts read-only
[04:22] <bigfoot1> maggotbrain, why that nickname? 8-)
[04:22] <lsuactiafner> apt-get instal icewm shoudl work..
[04:22] <Psystorm> Aha, doesn't tell me much, I'm a total beginner.
[04:22] <pink_maggit> hehe
[04:22] <pink_maggit> my other irc nickname
[04:22] <Discipulus> linux-frodo24, it's the phone line, I'll bet a million dollars on it, I'll guarantee it.
[04:23] <linukso> Psystorm: synaptic is in the System-> Admin menu in the top left corner.
[04:23] <pink_maggit> i think its a network specific modem now authentication properly against the isp...
[04:23] <Psystorm> Yeah, I searched it.
[04:23] <bigfoot1> linukso, naliothatwrk i don't see these new fonts in openoffice version 1. Do i have to restart openoffice?
[04:23] <Psystorm> I think I need libntfs5, right?
[04:24] <linukso> bigfoot1: hm, try to log in and out...
[04:24] <frodo2441> so i call my isp since nobody call help me?
[04:24] <frodo2441> or i go back to mdk ?
[04:24] <frodo2441> anyone reads me?
[04:24] <kbrooks> frodo2441, yesq i read u
[04:24] <kbrooks> frodo2441, call your isp
[04:25] <frodo2441> ok
[04:25] <kbrooks> frodo2441, say that the phone line is going static
[04:26] <wise> anyone has ubm?
[04:26] <tzafrir_home> my sources.list is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/621 .  apt-cache -i unmet produces 130 lines
[04:26] <lsuactiafner> tzafrir_home : have you run apt-get update recently?
[04:26] <tzafrir_home> lsuactiafner, yup. verified it
[04:27] <tzafrir_home> lsuactiafner, this is a fresh install, BTW
[04:28] <bigfoot1> how can i see all the characters/symbols that a truetypefont file offers?
[04:28] <Psystorm> I now executed the script and installed libntfs5, so where can I find my ntfs partitions?
[04:28] <lsuactiafner> tzafrir_home : apt-get check
[04:29] <dam> ubuntu guide?
[04:29] <tzafrir_home> lsuactiafner, returned no error. Problem persists
[04:29] <Discipulus> dam, don't use ubuntu guide
[04:29] <dam> where is wiki?
[04:29] <Discipulus> dam, wiki.ubuntu.com
[04:29] <dam> what ver should firefox be?
[04:30] <lsuactiafner> hmm
[04:30] <Discipulus> 1.0.4
[04:30] <dam> mine is 1.0.2
[04:30] <tzafrir_home> hmmm... not exactly. Still tons of unmet dependencies. but I seem to be able to install icewm
[04:30] <dam> synatptic didnt update it
[04:30] <Discipulus> !firefox
[04:30] <ubotu> firefox is probably version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[04:30] <Discipulus> backported = binary patch
[04:30] <Discipulus> it says 1.0.2, but it's 1.0.4
[04:31] <dam> im getting errors when i try to bookmark pages in firefpx
[04:31] <lsuactiafner> tzafrir_home : run synaptic see if it helps in anyway
[04:31] <Discipulus> what error?
[04:31] <lsuactiafner> tho i'm just guessin now, dont know much about apt-get since i compile from source
[04:32] <dam> na its working now, reboot musta fixed it
[04:32] <lsuactiafner> apt-get build-dep icewm but thats not really what you are supposed to run
[04:32] <dam> got error on openoffice
[04:32] <Discipulus> lsuactiafner, compile from source and use checkinstall ?
[04:32] <Discipulus> dam, what error?
[04:33] <dam> couldnt copy it. im doing it again. 12 minutes remainging
[04:33] <lsuactiafner> Discipulus : scripts i have to automate cvs + installation
[04:33] <bigfoot1> a website offers a font in three formats: mac ttf; mac ps1; pc ttf. Which one should i get?
[04:33] <dam> skype can run on ubuntu?
[04:33] <Discipulus> lsuactiafner, ah, alright
[04:34] <Discipulus> dam, yes
[04:34] <Discipulus> dam, is the error something about an md5sum mismatch?
[04:34] <Bols> Discipulus, and what about firefox 1.0.5? it has been released 3 days ago...
[04:34] <dam> yer. dats it
[04:35] <Discipulus> Bols, Ubuntu Hoary Repos are only updated on security fixes
[04:35] <Discipulus> !usrepos
[04:35] <ubotu> methinks usrepos is if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:35] <Discipulus> dam, ubotu methinks usrepos is if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:35] <Bols> Discipulus, 1.0.5 version is a security fixes version...
[04:36] <linux-frodo24> my isp has no support for linux
[04:36] <dam> not many in .au do.
[04:37] <bigfoot1> naliothatwrk, linukso: a website offers a font in three formats: mac ttf; mac ps1; pc ttf. Which one should i get?
[04:38] <Garrison> bigfoot1; pc ttf
[04:38] <bigfoot1> Garrison, thanks. just wondering. mac fonts won't work?
[04:38] <dam> Discipulus, http://au.archive.ubuntu.com is what i have. should i still change it?
[04:40] <Garrison> Id' just think PC fonts would be better. You know.. PC .. MAC? lol, I'd go PC just to be safe.
[04:40] <psybafire> is it possible to play games that usually run in windows, on ubantu?
[04:40] <kbrooks> !firefox
[04:40] <ubotu> well, firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[04:41] <Garrison> !tell psybafire about wine
[04:41] <kbrooks> !firefox =~ s/4/5
[04:41] <ubotu> kbrooks: I don't know, could you explain it?
[04:41] <kbrooks> firefox =~ s/4/5
[04:41] <kbrooks> ubotu, firefox =~ s/4/5
[04:41] <kbrooks> ubotu, firefox =~ s/4/5/
[04:41] <ubotu> OK, kbrooks
[04:41] <Garrison> psybafire; google for wine and cedega
[04:41] <kbrooks> ubotu, firefox
[04:41] <ubotu> rumour has it, firefox is version 1.0.5 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[04:41] <psybafire> thanks, ill do that now.
[04:41] <kbrooks> ubotu, firefox =~ s/5/4/
[04:41] <ubotu> kbrooks: OK
[04:42] <Garrison> someone knows perl substitution
[04:43] <ramblingturtle23> I cant'
[04:43] <kbrooks> Garrison, s/// is not specific to perl.
[04:44] <Garrison> =~ s/Garrison/The.Craz3d(.*)/ig
[04:44] <ramblingturtle23> i cant get firefox extensions to install and the work around doesn't seem to work at all. Anybody with any suggestions on how to get extensions working
[04:44] <sls> does any on know how to get swedish support in evloution?
[04:44] <kbrooks> ramblingturtle23,
[04:44] <kbrooks> !firefox
[04:44] <ubotu> it has been said that firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[04:44] <kbrooks> ^^^^ this?
[04:45] <dam> my general.useragent.vendorSub had value of 1.0
[04:45] <ramblingturtle23> ubotu- i did that but had to change it to what is now version 1.0.5 and that work around is not working
[04:46] <kbrooks> ramblingturtle23, 1.0.4
[04:46] <kbrooks> ramblingturtle23, he is a BOT!
[04:47] <Discipulus> ramblingturtle23, he's a bot dude
[04:47] <AlexBO> Hello!I've just downloaded with synaptic an issue of linux gazzette.how can i see it?
[04:47] <ramblingturtle23> kbrooks, a bot dude? what does that mean
[04:47] <Discipulus> AlexBO, /usr/share/doc if I believe
[04:48] <Discipulus> ramblingturtle23, a bot as in a robot
[04:48] <kbrooks> ramblingturtle23, i didnt say that!
[04:48] <Garrison> "he ert a program"
[04:48] <ramblingturtle23> kbrooks. sorry this is still all a little new to me
[04:49] <Chrischan> whos a bot? :o)
[04:49] <ramblingturtle23> ok if there is no work around to make version 1.0.4 seem like 1.0.5 then how would i install a tar in ubuntu?
[04:50] <Chrischan> ramblingturtle23, first, i would extract it and watch out for a INSTALL.TXT or README.TXT
[04:50] <lsuactiafner> !firefox
[04:50] <ubotu> methinks firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[04:50] <lsuactiafner> !info firefox
[04:51] <lsuactiafner> ramblingturtle23 : you can create a chroot of another idstribution iwth a more recent versin of glibc to run 1.0.5 from mozilla
[04:52] <AlexBO> Discipulus: for the next time, where i can find informations like this of an installed programs?
[04:52] <kbrooks> lsuactiafner!
[04:52] <Discipulus> AlexBO, Not really sure, hold on, I'll figure it out
[04:52] <kbrooks> don't give confusing advice!
[04:52] <lsuactiafner> thats not confusing..
[04:53] <ramblingturtle23> ubotu, i have tried this but now the newest version is 1.0.5 and it seems if you don't have this version installed you cant download extensions. That work around dosn't work for me right now because i have 1.0.4 installed already
[04:53] <ubotu> ramblingturtle23: what are you talking about?
[04:53] <lsuactiafner> "1.0.2" to "1.0.5" aint confusing.. and the chroot is a very good idea for a more experienced user..
[04:53] <kbrooks> lsuactiafner, not for a newb!
[04:53] <lsuactiafner> ramblingturtle23 : type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.5"
[04:53] <lsuactiafner> he might not be a n00b
[04:54] <AlexBO> Discipulus:ok
[04:55] <Discipulus> hmm
[04:55] <Discipulus> I'm not entirely sure
[04:55] <Discipulus> someone else in here might know though
[04:55] <ramblingturtle23> Ok my general.useragent.vendorcommet is changed from version 1.0.4 to 1.0.5 but i can still not download extensions
[04:55] <chrissturm> hey, how can i override my nickname for some networks in x-chat?
[04:55] <Discipulus> ramblingturtle23,  you don't need the latest versions
[04:55] <Discipulus> ramblingturtle23, if you wanted the latest of everything then I'd say use Breezy, but that isn't a good suggestion for a n00b
[04:56] <kbrooks> ramblingturtle23, vendorSun
[04:56] <kbrooks> sub
[04:56] <Discipulus> !firefox
[04:56] <ubotu> rumour has it, firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[04:56] <kbrooks> Sub
[04:56] <troglodyt> general.useragent.vendorSub not .vendorcomment
[04:56] <kbrooks> not comment
[04:56] <Discipulus> heh
[04:57] <Discipulus> ramblingturtle23, download extensions or install extensions?
[04:57] <kbrooks> ubotu, firefox =~ s/firefox/firefox on warty/
[04:57] <ubotu> kbrooks: that doesn't contain 'firefox'
[04:57] <Discipulus> ramblingturtle23, because if you can't download them then the problem isn't firefox
[04:57] <kbrooks> ubotu, !firefox =~ s/firefox/firefox on warty/
[04:57] <ubotu> i didn't have anything called '!firefox', kbrooks
[04:57] <kbrooks> ubotu, firefox =~ s/firefox is/firefox on warty is/
[04:57] <ubotu> kbrooks: that doesn't contain 'firefox is'
[04:57] <kbrooks> !firefox
[04:57] <ubotu> firefox is, like, version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[04:57] <kbrooks> lol.
[04:58] <Discipulus> !firefox
[04:58] <kbrooks> ubotu, forget firefox
[04:58] <ubotu> kbrooks: i forgot firefox
[04:58] <Discipulus> ubotu, tell me about ubuntuguide
[04:58] <ramblingturtle23> kbrooks, THANK YOU! that was the hole problem right there i will make a note of that for future reference. Extension can now be installed
[04:58] <kbrooks> ubotu, firefox is <reply> Firefox on warty is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[04:58] <ubotu> kbrooks: okay
[04:59] <Discipulus> !firefox
[04:59] <ubotu> Firefox on warty is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[04:59] <kbrooks> Changed.
[04:59] <troglodyt> make it to 1.0,.5 now
[04:59] <chrissturm> what software does ubotu run?
[04:59] <Discipulus> what lang is ubotu in?
[05:00] <lsuactiafner> ubotu is a chinese kid working for us
[05:00] <ubotu> I don't know, lsuactiafner
[05:00] <lsuactiafner> yes you do ubotu think back deep inside you know its true..
[05:02] <sls> does anyone know how to enable multilanguage support in gnome?
[05:02] <sls> e.g. Frenc, Swedish?
[05:02] <sls> French that was...
[05:02] <lsuactiafner> ubuntu-fr or something
[05:03] <ramblingturtle23> anybody know if ubuntu is working on a control center for the next release?
[05:04] <Kyral> GNOME Control Center
[05:04] <Kyral> already there :P
[05:05] <Raptoid> whats uninstall *.deb files ?
[05:05] <lsuactiafner> dpkg -r
[05:05] <sls> Raptoid: apt-get remove "packagename"
[05:06] <lsuactiafner> or that..
[05:06] <chrissturm> is there another option to refresh the menus after installing an app than killall gnome-panel?
[05:07] <dam> Discipulus, now up to date.
[05:08] <dam> cann anyone recommend some good fax software for ubuntu? external modem. tested and worked on knoppix
[05:08] <nightswim> hylafax?
[05:12] <AlexBO> hello!i've just downloaded the package "lg-all" for all issues of linux gazette, but it lacks of the last nine! the most up2date lg that i've got is the 107, but the last is the 116!how can it be?
[05:12] <_one_> jst is
[05:12] <_one_> i gues
[05:13] <mjkelly93> anyone have a sec to help me get fglrx working, i have it installed and everything but when i set it as a driver and restart, X hangs?
[05:14] <_one_> maybe i used to do alot of fglrx driver compiles/installs
[05:14] <mjkelly93> thatd be great
[05:14] <_one_> pm me
[05:14] <gigaclon> I keep getting MD5 mismatch when downloading some packages
[05:14] <mjkelly93> in ur sources.list      remove the "us." from all the archives
[05:15] <gigaclon> ok
[05:15] <leroj> i have removed us. from all archives, now i can't get any updates :S
[05:15] <delire> mjkelly93: i built the latest fglrx against a 2.6.12 kernel i compiled and it also hangs. 2.6.10 is fine. i haven't had time to look into it.
[05:15] <kbrooks> apt-get update
[05:16] <kbrooks> !usarchive
[05:16] <ubotu> I don't know, kbrooks
[05:16] <mjkelly93> really delire?
[05:16] <leroj> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[05:16] <leroj> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[05:16] <delire> mjkelly93: what kernel are you?
[05:16] <mjkelly93> im runni 2.6.10-5-386 tho, just the default kernel
[05:17] <delire> leroj: are you root? and or are you running an apt-get process elsewhere?
[05:17] <leroj> hmm
[05:17] <delire> leroj: sudo apt-get update
[05:17] <qt2> <.<;
[05:17] <kbrooks> ubotu, usarchive is <reply> us.archive is broken. Edit your sources.list and remove the "us." in front of ALL archives. Then YOU MUST sudo apt-get update, and everything will work.
[05:17] <ubotu> okay, kbrooks
[05:17] <lsuactiafner>    <pairo> you know you're doomed when you have to whois your domain registrar ID to find out your own phone number
[05:17] <lsuactiafner> lol
[05:17] <AlexBO> hello!i've just downloaded the package "lg-all" for all issues of linux gazette, but it lacks of the last nine! the most up2date lg that i've got is the 107, but the last is the 116!how can it be?
[05:18] <kbrooks> !usarchive
[05:18] <ubotu> us.archive is broken. Edit your sources.list and remove the "us." in front of ALL archives. Then YOU MUST sudo apt-get update, and everything will work.
[05:18] <mjkelly93> leroj, when i run a modprobe, i dont get any errors like i used to so i think tis installed
[05:18] <delire> AlexBO: i don't know why this is, perhaps the maintainer is being slack.
[05:18] <kbrooks> ubotu, usarchive =~ s/work/work as normal with no md5sum errors!/
[05:18] <ubotu> kbrooks: OK
[05:18] <kbrooks> ubotu, usarchive
[05:18] <ubotu> us.archive is broken. Edit your sources.list and remove the "us." in front of ALL archives. Then YOU MUST sudo apt-get update, and everything will work as normal with no md5sum errors!.
[05:19] <Novice> i just installed ubuntu and on restart it gives me error 17: unable to mount
[05:19] <AlexBO> ubotu: are you writing to me?
[05:19] <ubotu> AlexBO: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[05:19] <Novice> any workarounds
[05:19] <kbrooks> ubotu, usarchive =~ s/!\././
[05:19] <ubotu> kbrooks: that doesn't contain '!\.'
[05:19] <kbrooks> ubotu, usarchive =~ s/!//
[05:19] <ubotu> kbrooks: OK
[05:19] <delire> AlexBO: ubotu is a bot
[05:19] <kbrooks> ubotu, usarchive
[05:19] <ubotu> us.archive is broken. Edit your sources.list and remove the "us." in front of ALL archives. Then YOU MUST sudo apt-get update, and everything will work as normal with no md5sum errors.
[05:19] <kbrooks> okay.
[05:19] <kbrooks> brb
[05:20] <ed1t> ubotu, usarchive
[05:20] <delire> kbrooks: hehe
[05:20] <AlexBO> delire: well...so how can i downloaded them with synaptic?
[05:21] <delire> AlexBO: i doubt you can, as i said it's more likely the package maintainer hasn't added recent issues.
[05:22] <AlexBO> delire: he forgot ONE YEAR!!!
[05:22] <delire> AlexBO: think of it in the context of seoftware, he's a version or two behind ;)
[05:22] <delire> s/seoftware/software
[05:22] <Novice> HEY can ANYONE help me with this installation issue
[05:22] <delire> AlexBO: yes, it's not good, send him an email.
[05:23] <delire> Novice: so you just installed it fine and then on reboot you receive this error?
[05:23] <AlexBO> delire: well, who is him?
[05:23] <Novice> yes
[05:23] <lsuactiafner> Novice : means the kernel ubuntu installed by default doesnt recognise your hard disk..
[05:23] <lsuactiafner> i had the same problem and i had to make my own kernel..
[05:23] <delire> Novice: sometimes you have to be patient to receive help - especially while others are being helped.
[05:23] <Novice> ok
[05:23] <delire> lsuactiafner: ouch!
[05:23] <delire> Novice: what architecture? is it a SATA disk?
[05:23] <Novice> but i think its grub error, kernel is not in picture yet
[05:24] <Novice> pc pentium 3 IDE
[05:24] <lsuactiafner> delire : had to find a gentoo 64bit box on the net, make a kernel, install the kernel from a slackware disk (:
[05:24] <delire> Novice: right. i would use the LiveCD, if you have it handy.
[05:24] <AlexBO> delire: i've found his e-mail.thanks
[05:24] <delire> lsuactiafner: jesus..
[05:24] <delire> AlexBO: no problem
[05:25] <lsuactiafner> another reason why i make my own kernels..
[05:25] <delire> AlexBO: this sort of thing is rare.
[05:25] <Novice> i got its iso image with some magzine, thought of giving it a try, really dont have anything apart from tht iso image
[05:25] <delire> lsuactiafner: yes but for new users ... ouch
[05:25] <mjkelly93> Guys where should the driver fglrx.ko be located in my file tree to determine that its installed right?
[05:25] <delire> Novice: it's a shame this has happened. do you have any other Linux LiveCD around?
[05:26] <Novice> yes LFS
[05:26] <delire> mjkelly93: if you can modprobe -l | grep fglrx.ko then it's in the right place. the next question is whether it's the version you want to be running  - have you install an fglrx driver before?
[05:26] <delire> s/install/installed.
[05:27] <jkka> I got my 20 Hoary CD's today
[05:27] <jkka> gotta go spread em around
[05:27] <jkka> 10 wartys were gone in couple of days
[05:27] <delire> mjkelly93: FYI mine is in lib/modules/2.6.10/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko
[05:27] <mjkelly93> ok i found it in about 7 places
[05:27] <mjkelly93> no i havent
[05:27] <kritty> hello all.... anyone want to kelp with a wireless setup?
[05:27] <mjkelly93> so is mine
[05:28] <mjkelly93> cept the kernel number is diff
[05:28] <delire> mjkelly93: if there is any fglrx in your module path (see above) then there's a problem.
[05:28] <delire> mjkelly93: your module path begins here /lib/modules/$(uname -r)
[05:28] <mjkelly93> hmm   my module path....
[05:28] <mjkelly93> ok hehe
[05:28] <jcfreak> kritty: what part are you having a prob with?
[05:29] <mjkelly93> yeah all of them are
[05:29] <delire> where 'uname -r' outputs the current running kernel version.
[05:29] <mjkelly93> yes yes   they all are
[05:29] <Novice> ok i try with LFS LCD
[05:29] <mjkelly93> theres 7 different copies in those /lib/modules/2.6.-10-5/kernel/drivers/videofglrx./ko
[05:29] <kritty> jcfreak... I have no wep on and I want to use WPA
[05:29] <_one_> K
[05:29] <mjkelly93> theres 6 others     i'd cp and paste but it says not to
[05:30] <delire> mjkelly93: all of them? paste the output of 'updatedb && locate fglrx | grep $(uname -r)' into a pastebin.
[05:30] <LinuxJones> kritty, have you seen the howto on the wiki ? >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[05:30] <DaZjorz> HELP!!
[05:30] <_one_> dont let newbs help newbs
[05:30] <delire> mjkelly93: it will take a while.
[05:30] <delire> mjkelly93: i want to be sure..
[05:30] <LinuxJones> _one_, that's how you learn :)
[05:30] <kritty> LInux Jones... thanks.... My husband did this install last night
[05:30] <_one_> thats how u ruin things
[05:30] <DaZjorz> ...
[05:30] <DaZjorz> please
[05:30] <mjkelly93> ok
[05:30] <kbrooks> DaZjorz, ask
[05:30] <kbrooks> DaZjorz, ask
[05:30] <mjkelly93> its taking a while
[05:30] <DaZjorz> kbrooks
[05:30] <DaZjorz> look up
[05:30] <DaZjorz> BOOTSTRAP EROR
[05:31] <DaZjorz> Invalid release file
[05:31] <DaZjorz> No entry for Main/binary~/Packages
[05:31] <mjkelly93> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko
[05:31] <delire> DaZjorz: this happens when you do what?
[05:31] <LinuxJones> kritty, don't get discouraged if your new to Linux wifi can be problimatic for many folks :)
[05:31] <kbrooks> DaZjorz, breezy?
[05:31] <mjkelly93> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/misc/video/fglrx.ko
[05:31] <ACSpike> Are there non-free (possibly legally encumbered) packages in the universe repository?
[05:31] <delire> kritty: congratulations!
[05:31] <mjkelly93> theres alot more of them too
[05:31] <DaZjorz> Delire: When I install
[05:31] <DaZjorz> KBrooks: Breezy ?
[05:31] <DaZjorz> ..?
[05:31] <sJaM> gtg cu guys
[05:31] <kbrooks> ACSpike, multiverse?
[05:32] <delire> mjkelly93: paste the output of that command into a pastebin.
[05:32] <DaZjorz> cu sJa<
[05:32] <DaZjorz> M*
[05:32] <delire> mjkelly93: pastebin.com
[05:32] <mjkelly93> a pastebin..... hmm
[05:32] <DaZjorz> Delire: it happens when I install.
[05:32] <delire> DaZjorz: what were you doing before this error occurred?
[05:32] <delire> DaZjorz: be honest ;)
[05:32] <leroj> yay
[05:33] <leroj> finally i have Mplayer
[05:33] <DaZjorz> Erm, well, it was setupping, and it failed installing the kernel, but that happened before
[05:33] <delire> leroj: ;)
[05:33] <DaZjorz> so I did partitioning again and then setup
[05:33] <DaZjorz> and this error appeared
[05:33] <mjkelly93> ok all done
[05:33] <delire> DaZjorz: hoary?
[05:33] <DaZjorz> normally when I try to install base
[05:33] <delire> mjkelly93: send me the URL
[05:33] <DaZjorz> delire: no idea. i just ordered some cd's
[05:33] <delire> DaZjorz: but you have been compiling a custom kernel.
[05:33] <DaZjorz> delire: i think so though
[05:34] <mjkelly93> http://pastebin.com/314476
[05:34] <DaZjorz> delire: No I haven't.
[05:34] <DaZjorz> Delire: I just inserted the CD.
[05:34] <DaZjorz> and then installed
[05:34] <kritty> THANKS!   My husband has been using ubuntu for 6 wks and I liked what i saw.  Just this wireless config is left.
[05:34] <ACSpike> kbrooks: I'm asking about universe. I want to avoid installing patent encumbered software but some of the apps I need (tv card) are in universe.
[05:34] <DaZjorz> and as normal, at 71%, it stops installing cuz kernel failed
[05:34] <delire> DaZjorz: what architecture?
[05:34] <DaZjorz> i386
[05:35] <delire> kritty: yes, with certain cards it can be a pain. most work well however.
[05:35] <mjkelly93> did that work delire ?
[05:35] <DaZjorz> Delire: i386
[05:36] <kritty> delire ... well it's working but I just want to secure it a little more and fine tune the flow
[05:36] <SAM_theman> how do i change my resolution
[05:36] <SAM_theman> Srry forgot to say hi
[05:36] <DaZjorz> Delire: I'll reset the PC and run setup again.
[05:36] <delire> kritty: ahah
[05:36] <delire> DaZjorz: ok.. luck
[05:36] <DaZjorz> ty
[05:36] <SAM_theman> hmmm
[05:36] <delire> mjkelly93: how did you install this fglrx?
[05:37] <anto9us> SAM_theman: Hi, System | Preferences | Screen Resolution
[05:37] <delire> mjkelly93: from the install method provided by the ATI site or the ubuntu package?
[05:37] <SAM_theman> yeah i know
[05:37] <mjkelly93> first i tried downloading the rpm version and using alien to change it to a deb from ati
[05:37] <SAM_theman> it just gives me 640*800
[05:37] <mjkelly93> then i tried ubuntu
[05:37] <mjkelly93> uninstaleld ubuntu cuz it did nothing
[05:37] <mjkelly93> then ran the SH script from ati
[05:37] <dmoney> ok how do i play mp3s it says i need a plugin
[05:37] <mjkelly93> and that one instaleld correctly
[05:38] <dmoney> nforce 2 mobo
[05:38] <anto9us> SAM_theman: then you need to edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[05:38] <delire> mjkelly93: when did you install it? '/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko'
[05:38] <mjkelly93> yesterday
[05:38] <SAM_theman> hmmm my dad is using a ati card
[05:38] <jcfreak> dmoney: http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[05:38] <delire> mjkelly93: sorry 'ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko'
[05:39] <dmoney> someone pm i need some serious help
[05:39] <delire> mjkelly93: is the date returned yesterday?
[05:39] <mjkelly93> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 296521 2005-07-16 00:35 /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko
[05:39] <mjkelly93> actually early this morning hehe
[05:39] <kritty> ath0 is my wireless card ... right?
[05:39] <delire> mjkelly93: you have fglrx.ko files in misc/. i would delete all these and reinstall using the ATI method. you have duplicate drivers from a previous install
[05:40] <ACSpike> kbrooks: I'm asking about universe. I want to avoid installing patent encumbered software (like mp3) but some of the apps I need (tv card) are in universe.
[05:40] <delire> kritty: or eth0..
[05:40] <anto9us> SAM_theman: look for the default screen and depth and add the required modes beneath it
[05:40] <mjkelly93> ok which ati method?   the run script or the rpm and alien?
[05:40] <delire> kritty: or eth1, or wlan0 (depending on the hardware
[05:41] <kbrooks> ACSpike, i dont know.
[05:41] <dmoney> any help here
[05:41] <jcfreak> dmoney: http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[05:41] <dmoney> i've had same problem with every llinux install
[05:41] <mjkelly93> what command should i run to delete all those fglrx's
[05:41] <mjkelly93> ?
[05:41] <dmoney> ok i'll rey
[05:41] <delire> mjkelly93: i use alien to convert the rpm, then i install the deb, then in 'cd /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod && sh make.sh && cd .. && sh make_install.sh'
[05:41] <dmoney> *try
[05:42] <delire> mjkelly93: manually delete them
[05:42] <mjkelly93> ok
[05:42] <mjkelly93> yes thats the way i built mine
[05:42] <ACSpike> kbrooks: thanks, with further reading I get the impression it doesn't.
[05:43] <delire> mjkelly93: once done, make sure 'fglrx' is in the file /etc/modules, reboot and 'glxinfo | grep direct' to check whether you have hardware accelleration.
[05:43] <delire> mjkelly93: one should only ever use *one* method for installing fglrx ;)
[05:43] <mjkelly93> hehe ic ic
[05:44] <delire> mjkelly93: you (and fair enough) have tried two methods, which conflict.
[05:45] <A[D] minS> checking tcl build dir... configure: error: Unable to find Tcl directory or Tcl package is not tcl-dev
[05:45] <delire> A[D] minS: what are you compiling?
[05:45] <A[D] minS> delire: cause i want to install amsn CVS
[05:45] <A[D] minS> so i have to compile :)
[05:46] <delire> A[D] minS: ok, is there a 'INSTALL' file in the source package with the list of dependencies required to build said software?
[05:46] <A[D] minS> just wana know what da  name package =  tcl-dev
[05:46] <delire> A[D] minS: apt-cache seach libtcl | grep dev
[05:46] <delire> sorry..
[05:46] <delire> A[D] minS: apt-cache seach tcl | grep dev
[05:47] <warty> help
[05:47] <delire> A[D] minS: here, this returns a likely candidate: tcl8.4-dev
[05:47] <warty> i cant work on ubuntu
[05:48] <delire> A[D] minS: apt-cache search|show is your friend
[05:48] <delire> warty: what's up?
[05:48] <flodine> whats up with k3b and ubuntu
[05:48] <LinuxJones> flodine, is there a problem ?
[05:48] <flodine> k3b and ubuntu ERROR ERROR ERROR
[05:48] <warty> after loading ubuntu i have no panel no right click.....i cant do anything
[05:48] <delire> A[D] minS: either that or use synaptic, and search for it.
[05:49] <linux-frodo24> i hate ubuntu or it hates me
[05:49] <warty> i have gettys but i dont know what to do
[05:49] <flodine> Linuxjone when i burn a cd i get errors
[05:49] <delire> linux-frodo24: what are you trying to do?
[05:49] <delire> flodine: does it work using nautilus?
[05:49] <A[D] minS> thx delire
[05:50] <delire> A[D] minS: anytime, good luck with compiling that program.
[05:50] <flodine> Linuxjone when i burn at a slower speed it burns but nothing on cd after done
[05:50] <linux-frodo24> stay online connected
[05:50] <linux-frodo24> i get cut after 1.9 minutes
[05:50] <mjkelly93> ok delire, all done.   i removed all those fglrx files, then went and ran both scripts successfully
[05:51] <other|study> any set release date for breezy yet?
[05:51] <warty> HELP HELP HELP
[05:51] <leroj> bye
[05:51] <LinuxJones> flodine, you don't have the simulate checkbox or whatever it's called ticked off ?
[05:51] <flodine> no
[05:51] <delire> linux-frodo24: 'sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog' and look for a possible cause.
[05:52] <linux-frodo24> i did and i have same log problem
[05:52] <delire> linux-frodo24: nearly everything on a linux system is logged.
[05:52] <delire> linux-frodo24: what is
[05:52] <A[D] minS> delire: compiled :)
[05:52] <delire> "same log program"
[05:52] <delire> A[D] minS: congrats ;)
[05:52] <linux-frodo24> i know want me to paste ?
[05:52] <warty> CAN ANYBODY HELP ME TO FIX MY HOARY?
[05:52] <delire> warty: don't shout, be patient. not many people here right now
[05:52] <warty> ok
[05:52] <DaZjorz> not many people who can answer questions xP
[05:53] <delire> warty: i am helping others right now..
[05:53] <DaZjorz> but much people who HAVE questions
[05:53] <delire> DaZjorz: perhaps, it's saturday ;)
[05:53] <linux-frodo24> how i paste without flooding ?
[05:53] <DaZjorz> Delire, you help him, my first error will appear in minimally 5 minutes
[05:53] <DaZjorz> and I gtg now
[05:53] <DaZjorz> cu in 5 mins
[05:53] <delire> linux-frodo24: please use pastebin.com
[05:53] <delire> ok by DaZjorz
[05:53] <flodine> LinuxJone if i use nautilus will it burn it as and iso
[05:53] <delire> warty: what's up?
[05:53] <linux-frodo24> what is that a web?
[05:53] <warty> after loading hoary
[05:53] <delire> warty: explain in detail the boot error.
[05:54] <warty> after log in
[05:54] <linux-frodo24> or an irc command?
[05:54] <warty> apears only the wallpaper of hoary
[05:54] <warty> no panel
[05:54] <delire> warty: linux-frodo24: yes
[05:54] <delire> warty: hmm..
[05:54] <warty> no right click.........
[05:55] <warty> nothing
[05:55] <linux-frodo24> how i use it?
[05:55] <delire> warty: odd. sadly i am not a gnome expert, as i don't run gnome here.
[05:55] <delire> linux-frodo24: try
[05:55] <warty> what do i have to do.........?
[05:55] <Zerboxx> If I'm running ubuntu on a 500mhx, 196mb computer, what would "you" recommend to speed things up???
[05:55] <delire> warty: that must be frustrating. is this a *fresh* install?
[05:55] <chrissturm> Zerboxx, run xfce
[05:55] <HappyFool> gdm has logs in /var/log/gdm/, with names like ':0.log'
[05:55] <linux-frodo24> who /pastebin doesn't work
[05:55] <chrissturm> Zerboxx, sudo apt-get install xfce4
[05:55] <warty> no
[05:55] <delire> Zerboxx: use a lighter window manager. i reccommend openbox.
[05:55] <warty> is an old one
[05:56] <linux-frodo24> im new to irc as i hate irc
[05:56] <chrissturm> linux-frodo24, use http://rafb.net/paste
[05:56] <delire> warty: be honest, what were you doing *before* this first happened?
[05:56] <Zerboxx> chrissturm: delire: I've never used another window manager (as my main box is more then powerful enough) what does it change?
[05:56] <warty> try do reinstall the applets
[05:56] <mjkelly93> delire, i rebooted and i needa get that command off u again to check and see about installation.
[05:57] <martigan> is there an app like kweather for gnome?
[05:57] <delire> linux-frodo24: go to the website http://pastebin.com and paste in the text you wish to show me and then give me the URL to the pastebin.com page you created.
[05:57] <warty> delire?
[05:57] <chrissturm> Zerboxx, you can then select it in gdm
[05:57] <delire> warty: ok, did you edit a file to do this?
[05:57] <mwe> fluxbox
[05:57] <warty> nope
[05:57] <warty> from synaptic
[05:57] <slept> exit
[05:57] <delire> warty: which applets? gdesklets?
[05:57] <linux-frodo24> where nick i put urs?
[05:57] <thoreauputic> martigan: right click the panel and look for the weather applet
[05:57] <warty> capplets
[05:58] <HappyFool> martigan: i don't know kweather; try right clicking on the panel, and choose 'add to panel', and look for 'Weather report'
[05:58] <delire> warty: i would go to another console <CTRL-ALT-F1> and login and 'sudo dpkg -P the package.
[05:58] <warty> after that i tried the recovery mode and nothing
[05:58] <delire> warty: these X applets are conflicting with gnome session i think.
[05:59] <linux-frodo24> now what i clicked paste
[06:00] <HappyFool> linux-frodo24: tell us the URL that appears in the address bar
[06:00] <linux-frodo24> copy and paste from the web?
[06:00] <linux-frodo24> ok
[06:00] <delire> HappyFool: thx, i need a hand here. a bit busy ;)
[06:00] <mjkelly93> hehe sorry
[06:00] <linux-frodo24> http://rafb.net/paste/results/zrriBJ45.html
[06:01] <JavaOnLinux> hello, any of u r using Dell D800 series? any idea of getting the wireless to work?
[06:01] <mjkelly93> i rebooted and all after installed, can u cp and paste me that command u wanted me to run delire ?
[06:01] <SAM_theman> IS Gdesklets site down????????????????
[06:01] <SAM_theman> IS Gdesklets site down????????????????
[06:01] <delire> mjkelly93: glxinfo | grep direct
[06:01] <mjkelly93> ok
[06:01] <HappyFool> delire: cool :)
[06:01] <HappyFool> linux-frodo24: that's your pppd errors?
[06:02] <mjkelly93> direct rendering: No
[06:02] <mjkelly93> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[06:02] <HappyFool> linux-frodo24: do you know what modem you have?
[06:02] <flodine> can you update k3b to 11.24
[06:02] <delire> mjkelly93: how did that turn out?
[06:02] <mjkelly93> good
[06:02] <mjkelly93> everything went well
[06:02] <linux-frodo24> i have that problem too mjkelly
[06:02] <delire> mjkelly93: a 'yes'? from that command?
[06:02] <mjkelly93> nice im not the only one
[06:03] <mjkelly93> well i ran the command and thats what i got
[06:03] <mjkelly93> there was no question
[06:03] <linux-frodo24> i give up mdk to use 3d card on ubutu
[06:03] <delire> mjkelly93: hehe great, you have fglrx setup now.
[06:03] <delire> mjkelly93: test the frame rate with 'glxgears'
[06:03] <mjkelly93> same as before   ~200
[06:03] <HappyFool> linux-frodo24: do you know what modem you have?
[06:04] <linux-frodo24> yes
[06:04] <mjkelly93> my fglrxinfo says im using Mesa 3d
[06:04] <linux-frodo24> genius 56k external
[06:04] <HappyFool> linux-frodo24: ok, what is it?
[06:04] <HappyFool> external? hmm
[06:04] <HappyFool> i thought those worked without problems, usually
[06:04] <delire> mjkelly93: so 'glxinfo | grep direct' returned a "direct rendering: YES" and you have that frame rate?
[06:04] <mjkelly93> no it said no
[06:04] <mjkelly93> look
[06:05] <mwe> heh
[06:05] <mjkelly93> mjkelly93 direct rendering: No
[06:05] <mjkelly93> mjkelly93 OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[06:05] <delire> mjkelly93: ok, not setup yet then. there are other files we need to remove.
[06:06] <mjkelly93> should i reformat delire ?     i havent installed anything yet
[06:06] <HappyFool> linux-frodo24: how did you setup your dial-up connection?
[06:06] <rook5> hello how do i view C: drive from live cd??
[06:06] <delire> mjkelly93: no, it's fine. can you 'ls -l ls /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so' and paste the output in a pastebin?
[06:06] <linux-frodo24> well with sudo pppconfig
[06:07] <mjkelly93> sure
[06:07] <HappyFool> linux-frodo24: ok
[06:07] <linux-frodo24> and then also with pppgnome
[06:07] <delire> mjkelly93: sorry, make that 'ls -l ls /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so*' and paste the output in a pastebin?
[06:07] <HappyFool> !windows
[06:07] <ubotu> I guess windows is Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[06:07] <linux-frodo24> now i tryed with manualy scripts
[06:07] <HappyFool> !ntfs
[06:07] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs is the filesystem used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[06:07] <HappyFool> rook5: read that last link (winmac_fstab)
[06:08] <HappyFool> linux-frodo24: and they all give the same error?
[06:08] <mjkelly93> http://pastebin.com/314497   delire
[06:08] <linux-frodo24> yes
[06:09] <rook5> HappyFool: look for it on the wiki?
[06:09] <linux-frodo24> in mdk i think i also have that problem but  kdialer works fine in mdk
[06:09] <linux-frodo24> is the only dialer good to me
[06:09] <quique> #ubuntu-es
[06:10] <linux-frodo24> cool ubuntu espaol
[06:10] <HappyFool> rook5: there's some stuff there; i was referring to this http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[06:10] <mjkelly93> brb delire
[06:10] <blacksky> what does it mean when an "apt-get update" ignores certain sources, like this: "Ign http://public.planetmirror.com hoary-backports Release"
[06:11] <flodine> flux and ubuntu work so good together
[06:13] <blacksky> the full output is here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/622
[06:13] <delire> i have to go..
[06:13] <HappyFool> linux-frodo24: i'm running short on ideas
[06:13] <Winux> Gnome-Baker sucks
[06:13] <delire> sorry anyone not helped thoroughly yet.
[06:14] <linux-frodo24> i have one but only if someone tell me how to get on rendering 3d on X on mdk
[06:15] <HappyFool> linux-frodo24: typically ati/nvidia make drivers available for download on their sites
[06:15] <linux-frodo24> if i had render on in mdk i whould go to ubuntu
[06:15] <mjkelly93> ok im back delire       any more advice for this fglrx?
[06:16] <Winux> Does anybody know how to change prepag preferences in Gnome-Baker?
[06:16] <HappyFool> linux-frodo24: you should be able to get them to work with mandrake
[06:16] <linux-frodo24> yes but i c that is not easy u have to compile some kernel in mdk
[06:16] <Winux> How delete pause between songtracks?
[06:16] <linux-frodo24> i can't find any easy good tutorial
[06:16] <{Phoinix}> Hello everyone from Greece. Where can i find repositories for ubuntu 5.04. In google i'm finding only Debain repositories. The only repostiories tha i've found  for ubuntu is from ubuntuguide.org But when i use them i get crc errors :-(
[06:16] <linux-frodo24> for mdk
[06:17] <HappyFool> {Phoinix}: try archive.ubuntu.com
[06:17] <{Phoinix}> HappyFool, thanks :-)
[06:17] <HappyFool> linux-frodo24: ask in #mandriva (for mandrake)
[06:17] <DekaPink> That's odd... I just booted into my ubuntu partition and it has an icon on the desktop for the mounted windows system which has never been there before. :3
[06:17] <linux-frodo24> ok
[06:18] <HappyFool> linux-frodo24: i'm sorry, but i don't have any more ideas for your dial-up problem
[06:18] <linux-frodo24> do u hate windows unable to copy like in x11?
[06:18] <linux-frodo24> thx anyways
[06:18] <Garrison> Anyone want to test out a little utility I just wrote? It's like 'cp' but easier to use (uses an X file dialog for file selection) and gives a terminal progress-bar
[06:18] <linux-frodo24> c u
[06:19] <marcus> how do i download msn messenger on ubuntu?
[06:19] <Garrison> marcus; use Gaim?
[06:19] <{Phoinix}> marcus, apt-get install gaim
[06:19] <Garrison> marcus; alt+F2 and type 'gaim' press enter (without quotes)
[06:20] <marcus> i have gaim already
[06:20] <marcus> but i dont now how to use it
[06:20] <Garrison> marcus; tools > accounts
[06:20] <Garrison> marcus; pretty easy
[06:20] <ScOrpion-boy> hi anyone can help me?
[06:21] <mjkelly93> anyone know anythng about this fglrx or why it installed right and wont render 3d?
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> ati can be a pain in the backside
[06:21] <marcus> im not sure how its used how do i create an account?
[06:21] <mjkelly93> ur tellin me its about a week now of trying this
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> but it was a fairly easy setup on the last ubuntu box i made. :P
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> took all of 60 sec. On my ati9700
[06:22] <mjkelly93> it was fairly easy on FC4, ubuntu is hell
[06:22] <FUSiONX> what is a good cd burning app?
[06:22] <dj28> marcus: go to Tools -> Accounts
[06:22] <mjkelly93> 9250 here
[06:22] <dj28> marcus: then press Add
[06:22] <mjkelly93> i like k3b
[06:22] <dj28> at the bottom
[06:22] <dj28> marcus: then select the Protocol, which is AIM, MSN, etc
[06:22] <ScOrpion-boy> this is the matter.. I'm trying to intstall NVIDIA driversI managed get as root in consolke but when I start it says "it appears you running a X server" what is that and how can I solve it? please
[06:22] <dj28> marcus: and then enter the rest of the info
[06:23] <dj28> and repeat for any accounts you have
[06:23] <FUSiONX> if I want to install xmms I just type in the console -i whateverxmms.deb
[06:23] <FUSiONX> right?
[06:23] <mjkelly93> i wish i was having problems installing a nvidia driver =(
[06:23] <lsuactiafner> anyone know of a rar cracker?
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> ScOrpion-boy,  check the binary driver wiki/docs page at ubuntu's page. you  may be going about it the wrong way.
[06:23] <rook5> i mounted windows partition, but when i try to display it 'sudo cd /mnt/windows' it gives me sudo: cd: command not found??
[06:23] <ScOrpion-boy> Dr_Willis ?
[06:23] <mjkelly93> u cant sude a cd command
[06:24] <FUSiONX> There are rar password crackers out there but most likely it will not work
[06:24] <mjkelly93> sudo
[06:24] <mjkelly93> try just cd /mnt/windows
[06:24] <mjkelly93> anyone have extensive knowledge about FGLRX or shitty ATI?
[06:24] <FUSiONX> mjkelly93, If I wanted to install xmms I just type -i whateverxmms.deb in the konsole right
[06:25] <mjkelly93> try    sudo apt-get install xmms
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> ScOrpion-boy,  the procedure is very well documented when i did it a month ago.. tookl me just a min. dident have to do anything in the console if i recall.
[06:25] <FUSiONX> what ius apt?
[06:25] <mjkelly93> or try    system > administration > synaptic   and search for XMMS
[06:25] <ScOrpion-boy> so you sayin I'm the wring file?
[06:25] <highvoltage> FUSiONX: Advanced Package Management
[06:25] <marcus> yo tanks guys
[06:25] <mjkelly93> apt is the debian based program and dependency fetcher
[06:25] <highvoltage> with super cow powers
[06:26] <FUSiONX> where is that at?
[06:26] <marcus> i owe u guys lunch
[06:26] <Madpilot> morning, all.
[06:26] <mjkelly93> FUSiONX, just open a console,   right click on desktop and choose open console,    then copy and paste or type in there        sudo apt-get install xmms
[06:26] <mjkelly93> that should work
[06:26] <highvoltage> FUSiONX: you use apt-get
[06:26] <highvoltage> ie, apt-get install apache2
[06:26] <FUSiONX> alright thanks, will that also download it too?
[06:26] <marcus> tanks loads guys
[06:26] <mjkelly93> yes
[06:26] <highvoltage> or apt-get install tuxracer
[06:26] <mjkelly93> and install it
[06:26] <highvoltage> FUSiONX: yes
[06:26] <FUSiONX> holy ubuntu!
[06:26] <dj28> marcus: np
[06:27] <mjkelly93> its a little tricky to get it to play mp3s tho
[06:27] <FUSiONX> because it doesn't have a codec?
[06:27] <Madpilot> last night I installed the Rute Linux Book from Synaptic - rutebook - but I can't find where it installs itself! Find Files hasn't been any use - anyone know where it hides?
[06:27] <mjkelly93> yeah or something to do with licensing and that nonsense
[06:27] <FUSiONX> Then what is a good MP3 player for Linux?
[06:28] <FUSiONX> Jukbox?
[06:28] <mjkelly93> check out   ubuntuguide.org   and scroll down for the xmms section
[06:28] <mjkelly93> or search the page for xmms
[06:28] <kbrooks> Madpilot,
[06:28] <Madpilot> ack, nevermind... /usr/share/doc/rutebook - just had to ask Synaptic where it put it...
[06:28] <mjkelly93> then copy and paste those commands in a console, u can copy and paste them all at once
[06:28] <FUSiONX> thanks
[06:29] <mjkelly93> yup
[06:29] <rook5> mjkelly93: when i just cd /mnt/windows its says bash: cd: windows: Permission denied
[06:29] <mjkelly93> is it mounted?
[06:29] <Madpilot> rook5: who owns that directory?
[06:30] <rook5> Madpilot: dunno.. i probably didnt mount it with user priviliges?? i did mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[06:31] <egg> .... just a option
[06:31] <egg> aye
[06:31] <Mobius> anyone have some out-of-the-ordinary program suggestions I could check out?
[06:31] <Madpilot> rook5: check in Nautilus for ownership? (I can't remember the command line for checking ownership right now...
[06:31] <Madpilot> Mobius: Wanda the Fish
[06:32] <Madpilot> :)
[06:32] <mwe> ls -l
[06:32] <psystorm_> Need help installing php5 on ubuntu
[06:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how to tell how much room is on yer hard drive in human speak?
[06:32] <mbirkis> ChurcH_of_FoamY: df -h
[06:32] <kbrooks> disk free -human
[06:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thanx
[06:32] <marcus> need help again
[06:32] <Mobius> lol Madpilot..
[06:32] <marcus> what do i use to download stuff?
[06:32] <Madpilot> ChurcH_of_FoamY: or the bottom-left corner of Nautilus
[06:32] <mleaste> for some reason I cannot install Java... can anyone help really quick
[06:33] <punkrockguy318> How can I install ubuntu with netboot?
[06:33] <raven3x7> hello
[06:33] <^DodGeR^> df -h
[06:33] <djp> marcus: synaptic
[06:33] <mwe> you need mount -o umask 0222
[06:33] <raven3x7> marcuss stuff?
[06:34] <Mobius> anyone here have suggestions for web development tools?
[06:34] <HappyFool> punkrockguy318: take a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetbootInstallHowto
[06:34] <mleaste> could anyone help me with installing sun's java on ubuntu?
[06:34] <HappyFool> !java
[06:34] <ubotu> from memory, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:34] <kbrooks> brb
[06:34] <HappyFool> mleaste: that page has several options
[06:34] <Madpilot> Mobius: Screem or Bluefish. both in repos, I prefer Screem slightly
[06:34] <mleaste> thank you
[06:35] <raven3x7> whats a working option for dc++ under ubuntu/linux. what i found on websites is rather confusing. any suggestions?
[06:35] <djp> Mobius: i use emacs, however if you want a simple dreamweaver alternative, try nvu
[06:35] <punkrockguy318> Hackmo, can you do a net install with the install CD?
[06:35] <Ju1ce> why doesn't sudo work for me? I always get authentication failure even though the password is alright
[06:35] <Mobius> what about for FTP guys? I gues I could get used to gFTP
[06:36] <HappyFool> punkrockguy318: (i assume that's for me) i don't know -- that is the only resource i can direct you to
[06:36] <HappyFool> Ju1ce: what error do you get?
[06:36] <punkrockguy318> HappyFool, alright, thank you!
[06:36] <Madpilot> Mobius: in Nautilus, you can "mount" other sites directly. no need for a seperate FTP program. good thing, becuase gFTP is pretty awful...
[06:37] <Mobius> Madpilot: I agree, it isnt too impressive. Do you suggest mounting over using gFTP or somesuch?
[06:37] <Ju1ce> it just asks the password over and over again
[06:37] <Ju1ce> su works
[06:37] <jcfreak> anyone know a repository for mono 1.1.8?
[06:38] <HappyFool> Ju1ce: did you enter a root password during ubuntu install?
[06:38] <Madpilot> Mobius: I prefer it for the three sites I run! makes FTPing just a matter of copy-n-paste in Nautilus
[06:38] <mwe> Ju1ce, you need to type your own password, not the root, you know?
[06:38] <Mobius> Is there any speed difference Madpilot?
[06:38] <Mobius> I remember my windows days, doing it thru IE was crap...
[06:38] <Madpilot> Mobius: File --> Connect to Server in Naut...
[06:38] <Ju1ce> well, that was something too unlogic :D
[06:39] <Madpilot> Mobius: can't say WRT speed difference
[06:39] <raven3x7> anyone using dc++ here? is dcgui or dcgui-qt better?
[06:39] <Madpilot> sorry, I've got to go. workign Saturdays bites
[06:39] <JDahl> Mobius, if you have ssh on the machines, rsync is easier than ftp
[06:40] <Mobius> thanks JDahl, ill take a look into it
[06:40] <Ju1ce> well, now I added myself to the sudoers list
[06:41] <Ju1ce> thanks for the answer for my stupid question.
[06:41] <marcus> can i use bitcommet on ubuntu?
[06:42] <other|study> marcus: afaik, bitcomet is only available for windows
[06:42] <lesshaste> any mencoder experts here?
[06:42] <JDahl> Mobius, I couldnt live without rsync... from reading the man page it might not look that great, but it actually is
[06:42] <marcus> so wat would u suggest i use?
[06:42] <raven3x7> marcus there's still azureus available
[06:42] <lesshaste> got a tricky problem
[06:42] <Mobius> What do you use it for JDahl?
[06:43] <lesshaste> JDahl, try zsync
[06:43] <mbirkis> marcus: why not use bittornado?
[06:43] <Wimpie> anybody around that knows apache a bit ?
[06:43] <FUSiONX> I only messed with it with win32
[06:44] <FUSiONX> and one some webhosting accounts
[06:44] <Mobius> anyone else use brightside?
[06:44] <Wimpie> hmm.  I have a FollowSymLink problem.  Does not seem to work
[06:44] <marcus> ic
[06:44] <marcus> tanks
[06:45] <JDahl> Mobius, it lets you synchronize directories between computers, and only updates changed files which saves alot of bandwidth
[06:45] <raven3x7> so noone uses dc++? wow
[06:45] <FUSiONX> My internet is REALLY slow with Ubuntu
[06:45] <darkwise> Ya wow.
[06:45] <DaZjorz> ERROR: Unable to install the selected kernel: linux-386
[06:45] <FUSiONX> almost not usable
[06:45] <darkwise> Who wants to use shit with spyware?
[06:45] <DaZjorz> ???
[06:45] <darkwise> moron
[06:46] <FUSiONX> any else experince this?
[06:46] <keikoz> DaZjorz installing with a cd-rom or synaptic ?
[06:46] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: what does 'uname -r' say?
[06:46] <ompaul> fuisiox what kind of a conneciton have you got?
[06:46] <kyle_> hello.. supernoob here.. need help on a few things anyone like to help out for a few minutes?
[06:46] <FUSiONX> DSl
[06:46] <lsuactiafner> DaZjorz : why kernel 386?
[06:46] <FUSiONX> DSL*
[06:46] <DaZjorz> errm i'll try HappyFool
[06:46] <FUSiONX> 3/384
[06:46] <dani> skype doesn't work
[06:46] <FUSiONX> fast in windows
[06:47] <FUSiONX> but in Ubuntu is s l o w
[06:47] <DaZjorz> HAppyFool: 2.10.6-5-386
[06:47] <^DodGeR^> kyle_, can u be a bit more specific ?
[06:47] <keikoz> FUSiONX probably bad driver/configuration
[06:47] <DaZjorz> 2.6.10 i mean
[06:47] <lsuactiafner> DaZjorz : 386 is for very slow pcs... look for 586 or something
[06:47] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: 2.6.10-5-386
[06:47] <FUSiONX> its onbard
[06:47] <FUSiONX> baord*
[06:47] <FUSiONX> board* there lol
[06:47] <lsuactiafner> someone help him, i dont use ubuntu kernels.
[06:47] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: ok, what are you trying to do?
[06:47] <DaZjorz> lsuactiafner: i'm installing the normal
[06:47] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: i'm trying to install Ubuntu ^^
[06:47] <FUSiONX> I'll install a Linksys card
[06:47] <FUSiONX> thanks
[06:48] <DaZjorz> server installation so minimum
[06:48] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: ... ok. what are you running at the moment?
[06:48] <kyle_> i've just got ubuntu running, i'm trying now to get bittorrent to work.
[06:48] <lsuactiafner> DaZjorz : yeh, 2.6.10 is new enough, but its compiled for a pc thats 10yrs old..
[06:48] <DaZjorz> WHo says my server isn't 10 yrs old xP
[06:48] <keikoz> DaZjorz i had same pbl once, the cd was bad in fact
[06:48] <FUSiONX> is there a good newsreader for download from newsgroups?
[06:48] <lsuactiafner> get 2.6.10 compiled for a i586 pc
[06:48] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: where did you run that command? the live cd ?
[06:48] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: No, it just installed
[06:48] <keikoz> i had to burn it another time and it worked
[06:48] <marcus> how do u install azureus on linux which version of linux do i chose?
[06:48] <djp> kyle_: it is installed by default under hoary
[06:48] <DaZjorz> I ran the command you gave
[06:48] <DaZjorz> on console 2
[06:48] <DaZjorz> (ALT+F2)
[06:48] <FUSiONX> i'll install it on my xbox
[06:48] <FUSiONX> lol
[06:49] <djp> just follow the torrent link and it should prompt you from there on...
[06:49] <DaZjorz> Marcus: what versions are available
[06:49] <raven3x7> DaZjorz, pan maybe?
[06:49] <DaZjorz> i386 ?
[06:49] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: it sounds like things are ok -- what generated the previous error?
[06:49] <DaZjorz> raven: Pan? whats that
[06:49] <ompaul> FUSiONX, cap your upstream to 85% of the cap using a traffic shaper like http://lartc.org/wondershaper/ sorry I only know of this - I guess if all you were doing was web it would be fast but if you are uploading it will kill your download connection
[06:49] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: the error regarding 'not able to install linux-386'
[06:49] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Previous error ?
[06:49] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: well, I had this problem fixed before by running:
[06:49] <DaZjorz> in console 2
[06:49] <FUSiONX> thanks
[06:49] <DaZjorz> cd /usr/bin
[06:49] <marcus> linux gtk, linux amd, linux motif, linux ppc
[06:49] <raven3x7> DaZjorz,  sorry that was directed at FUSiONX
[06:49] <djp> marcus: azureus uses java. there is a better alternative installed by default, which does not use suns java
[06:50] <raven3x7> FUSiONX pan maybe?
[06:50] <DaZjorz> ln -s updgs pdgs (i'm not sure about the pdgs ?!)
[06:50] <DaZjorz> sorry i gtg..
[06:50] <DaZjorz> brb in 5 minutes or so
[06:50] <HappyFool> ok
[06:50] <DaZjorz> :)
[06:50] <coolkev> how come ubuntu doesn't exactly support AMD Sempron Processors fully
[06:51] <coolkev> it thinks i have amd athlon xp
[06:51] <coolkev> but i have sempron
[06:51] <coolkev> maybe that could be fixed in up comming version of ubuntu
[06:51] <raven3x7> DaZjorz,  there is also a how-to for adsl-bandwidth management at www.tldp.org
[06:51] <marcus> is there anything easier to use?
[06:51] <JDahl> coolkev, that
[06:51] <Druke> do i have to modify something in order to open .rar files?
[06:52] <yccheok> hw i can check which process is using my cdrom since i cannt eject my cdrom
[06:52] <JDahl> coolkev, that's probably an issue with the kernel... does it matter much?
[06:52] <HappyFool> Druke: you may need to install unrar or unrar-free
[06:52] <coolkev> well sorta
[06:52] <Druke> HappyFool, thanks
[06:52] <HappyFool> yccheok: try 'lsof /dev/cdrom' or 'lsof /media/cdrom'
[06:52] <sss_lr> yccheok: ps aux
[06:52] <coolkev> if ubuntu wants to be a good OS it needs to support the hardware very well
[06:53] <coolkev> i think linux people need to concentrate more on hardware and drivers
[06:53] <HappyFool> heh
[06:53] <marcus> its there any easy to use bittorent clients available for ubuntu
[06:53] <pax> coolkev: what do you get with cat /proc/cpuinfo
[06:53] <coolkev> yes Azereus
[06:53] <JDahl> coolkev, ubuntu doesn't make changes to the kernel, so isn't it a generic linux problem?
[06:53] <tim_> azureus
[06:53] <tim_> so nice
[06:53] <FUSiONX> I'm out peeps
[06:53] <FUSiONX> YOU ARE ALL AWESOME!
[06:53] <FUSiONX> :)
[06:53] <FUSiONX> bye.
[06:53] <thundrcleeze> thanks
[06:53] <thundrcleeze> bye
[06:54] <Druke> is something wrong with "http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net "
[06:54] <marcus> dont know how to use azureus
[06:54] <coolkev> pax: it shows the wrong clock speed and shows AMD Athlon Xp
[06:54] <coolkev> 1500+
[06:54] <coolkev> and i have AMD sempron 2400+
[06:54] <pax> coolkev: are you aware that AMD do not go by frequency clocking?
[06:54] <coolkev> yes
[06:55] <JDahl> marcus, if you just need to download simple things like Linux ISO, then Gnome's btclient is fine
[06:55] <coolkev> but my speed is suppose to be 1.5 ghz
[06:55] <coolkev> as it says on box
[06:55] <djp> marcus: if you click on a torrent file in your web browser it should launch the default bittorrent client. all you do is choose the directory to download to and... that's it!
[06:55] <pax> coolkev: you need to check your bios to find out what your multiplier is set to
[06:55] <coolkev> for AMD i got
[06:55] <coolkev> what should it be set to?
[06:55] <pax> coolkev: check AMD site to find out.
[06:56] <coolkev> ok
[06:56] <HappyFool> coolkev: your speed should be 1.5 GHz and /proc/cpuinfo says 1500 ... what's the problem?
[06:56] <pax> HappyFool: he's confused.
[06:57] <kutucape> hi all
[06:59] <lsuactiafner> cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz
[06:59] <lsuactiafner> coolkev : also if the cpu aint used 100% it scales the frequency down to use less power
[06:59] <Centaur> My wireless card will only work with the access point that I used to install ubuntu and not with any other. I do get connected to other access points but I can't ping anything. What can I do to fix it?
[07:00] <lsuactiafner> like my 3200 runs @ 1G if loads are low but @ 2G if high
[07:00] <pax> lsuactiafner: he left the building long ago.
[07:00] <^DodGeR^> Centaur, u need to change the routing/dns's ? u try in your netwokring setup ?
[07:00] <lsuactiafner> and he left..
[07:00] <lsuactiafner> idiot.
[07:00] <pax> heh
[07:01] <Centaur> ^DodGeR^: Well I have changed them with routers that are static but they're usually dhcp and it doesn't even get assigned an ip
[07:01] <^DodGeR^> hrmmm, i usually set them static ..
[07:02] <Centaur> ^DodGeR^: I've tried it with wep on, off, ssid broadcast on and off, and on routers that assign via dhcp I tried static and still no traffic
[07:02] <^DodGeR^> ugg
[07:02] <Centaur> ^DodGeR^: But the router does show that it's connected
[07:02] <^DodGeR^> basically all i need is dns server , gateway , my ip , essid and wep key , i put those in static and im a-for-away
[07:03] <Centaur> ^DodGeR^: Yeah, that's how it should be but it won't work...only with the router that I initially used to install
[07:03] <kutucape> xlibs can't be configured after upgrading to breezy ;(
[07:03] <^DodGeR^> your default gateway must obviously be the gw on the essid connection of interest
[07:03] <Centaur> Hmm....wouldn't I still be able to ping local computers though?
[07:03] <^DodGeR^> whats route show u Centaur  ? the one with UG in it ? ie whats yer default gw route
[07:03] <Centaur> or atleast be able to ping the router
[07:04] <kutucape> i wonder that xlibs means nothing
[07:04] <^DodGeR^> yeah local u should always be able to reach
[07:04] <kutucape> also xbase-clients
[07:04] <mwe> kutucape, according to /topic X is broken in breezy
[07:04] <^DodGeR^> depending on local interface setup though
[07:04] <HappyFool> kutucape: someone (tefli?) yesterday mentioned something about need to create /etc/xkb/ files, but i didn't have a clue what he was on about
[07:05] <fabiob> seems that xkeyboard-config holds /etc/xkb/ files
[07:06] <fabiob> but without xbase-clients, X freezes (here)
[07:06] <Centaur> ^DodGeR^: When I turn wireless on my default gw is wlan0
[07:06] <seth_k> fabiob: breezy X is terribly broken since 36
[07:06] <^DodGeR^> ok , and u want default route to be via wlan0 gateway
[07:06] <^DodGeR^> not the origional other essid gateway
[07:06] <fabiob> seth_k: yes, I noticed that (late) :)
[07:07] <Centaur> So are you saying that the default gw wlan0 is actually saved settings for my original router?
[07:07] <^DodGeR^> right
[07:07] <^DodGeR^> so change your default gw to the one on the new essid
[07:08] <Centaur> Oh, alright then....I'll give that a shot real quick
[07:08] <D1> I have to say
[07:08] <^DodGeR^> eg. if essid blah gateway was xyz. but u want your new essid with gateway abc to be activated .. change your default gw route to be via abc
[07:08] <D1> ubuntu has been the only distro my wireless worked so flawlessly with without so little effort.
[07:08] <D1> especially through gnome.
[07:08] <^DodGeR^> then try ping gateway abc
[07:09] <seth_k> D1: word
[07:09] <mike998> seth_k: so giving breezy a go today isn't a good idea?
[07:09] <^DodGeR^> agreed D1 , wireless in ubuntu a breeze :)
[07:09] <D1> yeah.
[07:09] <^DodGeR^> gentoo it freezes my box !
[07:09] <^DodGeR^> heh
[07:09] <^DodGeR^> lunar it works , but only if i pray a lot
[07:09] <^DodGeR^> ubuntu zero issues whatsoever :)
[07:10] <D1> can't wait till breezy comes out in oct.
[07:11] <nn> Where do i submit packages i've built for hoary?
[07:11] <HappyFool> nn: maybe ask in #ubuntu-motu
[07:11] <lesshaste>  can someone explain to me how usb storage works in linux? When I attach the device I can then mount it. But if I disconnect it presumably that is bad if I don't umount it first?
[07:12] <HappyFool> nn: or perhaps the backports guys will take it
[07:12] <D1> nn: what have you built?
[07:12] <lesshaste> or is there some automatic way of mounting/umounting?
[07:12] <HappyFool> lesshaste: that sounds right. You need to manually unmount
[07:12] <lesshaste>  but then it isn't really hot pluggable
[07:12] <Zerboxx> Hey, if I insatll xfce, will it become the default wm automatically?
[07:12] <HappyFool> lesshaste: you should be able to right-click on the icon and unmount
[07:12] <tim_> anyone know if breezy is planning to include beagle in the distro?
[07:13] <D1> Zerboxx, I'm sure you can change that through GDM
[07:13] <flodine> whats up with the backports mirrormax
[07:13] <nn> D1: joe and pork working fully, planning to release xmcast packages soon as 1.1 is ready
[07:13] <lesshaste> HappyFool, well.. I know how to umount it. It just doesn't seem very hot pluggable if you have to umount by hand
[07:13] <HappyFool> lesshaste: it don't know what the definition of 'hot-pluggable' is, but it's a lot more pluggable than pci or ide ;)
[07:13] <nn> D1: but basicly anything i use that isnt in hoary i'll be building
[07:13] <lesshaste> HappyFool, :) ok
[07:13] <D1> ah, sounds good.
[07:13] <flodine> is there a backport problem today
[07:13] <D1> I'm waiting for gnomebaker .04
[07:14] <nn> Locally i'm the guy everyone comes to for ubuntu help since i passed out about 100 ubuntu cd's recently
[07:14] <D1> it looks really good from the changelog.
[07:14] <HappyFool> tim_: take a look on packages.ubuntu.com -- you can search for breezy packages there
[07:14] <nn> need to order more as a matter of fact and drop more at the library, they're out already
[07:14] <tim_> thx Hackmo
[07:14] <tim_> and by Hackmo....I mean HappyFool
[07:14] <flodine> anyone use backports
[07:15] <smoochie> anyone know how to get the debian repo keys working and in turn the debian repos working?
[07:15] <jkka> propably someone
[07:16] <mwe> smoochie, ubuntu is not binary compatible with debian
[07:16] <smoochie> really
[07:16] <smoochie> I thought it was just a header in the repos that serarated the two
[07:16] <nn> smoochie: different versions of libraries and what not
[07:17] <jkka> totally complete patching even in the main repos
[07:17] <kutucape> HappyFool, ok i'll try...
[07:17] <smoochie> wow so it would never work that sucks
[07:18] <nn> I like ubuntu so far
[07:18] <kutucape> X broken in breezy because Xorg is in modular now?
[07:18] <HappyFool> kutucape: he strace'd something-or-the-other do find out what was wrong
[07:18] <kbrooks> kutucape, dont ask
[07:18] <jkka> I havent missed debian repos
[07:18] <Discipulus> What's wrong with Breezy?
[07:18] <mwe> it's broken
[07:18] <Discipulus> How'd X break?
[07:18] <nn> i need to set up a repo for my packages before i leave for iraq :)
[07:19] <DekaPink> Harrypotterharrypotterharrypotterharrypotter.
[07:19] <nn> maybe get one of the other kclug guys to maintain it
[07:19] <lsuactiafner> HappyFool : know of a way to crack rar files?
[07:19] <lsuactiafner> friend sent me images of his holiday and forget to tell me the passwd
[07:19] <kutucape> kbrooks, pardon me, dont ask about what?
[07:19] <HappyFool> lsuactiafner: sorry, no
[07:19] <DekaPink> That seems like a silly thing to ptu a password on.
[07:20] <other|study> lsuactiafner: bruteforce ;)
[07:20] <kutucape> i have upgraded my gtk and pango package to support cairo too
[07:20] <kutucape> and it works
[07:20] <other|study> DekaPink: no it's not a silly thing
[07:20] <kutucape> but i dont see any differences
[07:20] <other|study> lsuactiafner: it'll be easier to ask your friend. and a lot faster.
[07:21] <raven3x7> oh man both dcgui and dcgui-qt seem not that usefull
[07:22] <Wheatley> Do I have to do something like reboot after I modify limits.conf for it to take effect?
[07:22] <fabiob> kuntucape: don't install xbase-clients
[07:22] <Discipulus> lsuactiafner, ask in #crypto
[07:22] <Discipulus> lsuactiafner, my guess though is that it would actually be stored in the file, probably in a header
[07:23] <kutucape> fabbione, do i have to apt-get remove xbase-clients?
[07:23] <lsuactiafner> other|study : yeh about ready to do a dictionary attack with bash
[07:24] <Discipulus> lsuactiafner, nah, don't do that, look at the file in a hex editor first
[07:24] <kutucape> well i have to wait for X to be fixed
[07:24] <other|study> Discipulus: do you honestly believe that rar files are that easy to crack?
[07:25] <kutucape> thanks all
[07:25] <fabiob> kutucape: just leave it in that state, you'are lucky it's working
[07:25] <Discipulus> other|study, yes
[07:25] <mjkelly93> anyone out there using a 9xxx radeon card?  what driver r u using in xorg.conf?
[07:25] <KarlosII> are we ever gonna see 3d accellerated desktops in linux, I wonder when xorg is gonna progress to thatpoint
[07:26] <lsuactiafner> Discipulus : thanks
[07:26] <Discipulus> other|study, you would be surprised at the protocols and algorithms that they use for that sort of thing
[07:26] <Maddy> hi folks
[07:26] <Fanskapet> mjkelly93 a mobility-chip?
[07:26] <mjkelly93> its a radeon 9250 pci
[07:26] <mjkelly93> i think it is a mobility
[07:26] <mwe> mjkelly93, Im using the binary fglrx from ati
[07:26] <Fanskapet> no it's not... if it's pci :)
[07:26] <mjkelly93> yeah i was just gonna say its not a mobility chip
[07:27] <Fanskapet> :D
[07:27] <mjkelly93> mwe,  what card do u have?
[07:27] <Fanskapet> well then i dunno
[07:27] <kutucape> fabiob, yes, i'm lucky after struggling :D
[07:27] <mwe> mjkelly93, radeon 9800 pro
[07:27] <mjkelly93> pci?
[07:27] <Fanskapet> fglrx should work since it's made for those cards :)
[07:27] <mjkelly93> i know but it really really doesnt work at all
[07:27] <Fanskapet> i have had some problems using it though odd ones
[07:27] <mjkelly93> its like a week now trying this and it really doesnt work
[07:27] <Fanskapet> have you tried to install the fglrx driver then?
[07:28] <mjkelly93> yes
[07:28] <kutucape> so, what libcairo for?
[07:28] <mjkelly93> it runs the make files correctly but then doesnt work
[07:28] <Fanskapet> from where? the one included in the "program updater" app in ubuntu? :)
[07:28] <mjkelly93> homeslice@ubuntu:~$ glxinfo | grep direct direct rendering: No
[07:28] <mjkelly93> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[07:28] <mjkelly93> no
[07:28] <mjkelly93> i downloaded the ati rpm file, converted via alien, and install the deb
[07:28] <Fanskapet> then try that one instead..
[07:28] <mwe> mjkelly93, did you modprobe fglrx and change the driver in xorg.conf?
[07:29] <mjkelly93> if i change the driver in xorg.conf and restart x, i get a black screen
[07:29] <mjkelly93> when i modprobe fglrx i get no return, which is a good thing cuz theres no error
[07:29] <JDigital`> Hey guys, what's the best way to install Java runtime to use applets in firefox?
[07:30] <mwe> mjkelly93, check the log for errors
[07:30] <JDigital`> To get the self-installer from the Sun website?
[07:30] <JDigital`> or is there a package I can apt-get that will be easier
[07:30] <mjkelly93> i cant check the Xorg.0.log because when i restart my comp from that black screen, that i CANT alt ctrl out of, it rewrites the log
[07:30] <Fanskapet> sounds like the problem occured for me once
[07:31] <mjkelly93> id love to be able to read that log
[07:31] <nn> mjkelly93: ctrl-alt-f1
[07:31] <nn> mjkelly93: try the magick console switch
[07:31] <mjkelly93> doesnt work
[07:31] <mjkelly93> nor does ctrl alt backspace
[07:32] <fabiob> mjkelly93: startx 2> ~/log
[07:32] <nn> mjkelly93: Worst case, when you reboot, hit shift @ grub, pick the ubuntu from grub menu, press 'e', select the 'kernel ...' line, append 'init=/bin/sh'
[07:32] <Fanskapet> mjkelly93 have you booted up in "safe mode" and looked in xorg.conf so you're card is chosen and not any other card?
[07:32] <AlexBO> Hello!I've got Ubuntu 5.04. Can anybody advice me a good download manager?
[07:32] <mjkelly93> yes i tried recovery mode, and it still writes to the log
[07:32] <Discipulus> AlexBO, wget
[07:32] <Fanskapet> my problem was that the driver chosed a different card than I really had.. had to change it manually to the 9700 mobility
[07:32] <mjkelly93> fabiob whats that?
[07:33] <AlexBO> Discipulus: I'm using it.I'm disgusted :-o
[07:33] <Fanskapet> change some other options aswell though.. frambuffer and stuff
[07:33] <Discipulus> AlexBO, because it doesn't have a GUI?
[07:33] <tony> anyone know of a gui to mount iso on ubuntu?
[07:33] <Fanskapet> but then again.. is probably another problem you have since you're not on a mobility chip
[07:33] <mjkelly93> listen what i need to do is change the xorg.conf to reflect fglrx, then stop the X server via /etc/init.d/gdm stop, then start X again and write that log file somewhere other than var/log/Xorg.0
[07:33] <raven3x7> ugh the vesa drivers are making my system sluggish
[07:33] <fabiob> mjkelly93: it writes the log in ~/log
[07:33] <AlexBO> Discipulus: what is a GUI?
[07:33] <MagiPink> Weird computer... I left it for a few minutes and when I came back the screen was all black.
[07:33] <Fanskapet> tony why not use mount? :)
[07:34] <Discipulus> AlexBO, Graphical User Interface, why don't you like wget?
[07:34] <Fanskapet> GUI == Graphical User Interface
[07:34] <Fanskapet> :)
[07:34] <mjkelly93> fabiob, would that answer the last comment i made?
[07:34] <tony> anyone know any gui to "open" iso:s -
[07:34] <kbrooks> MagiPink, thats by design
[07:34] <tony> i cant figure mount out
[07:34] <raven3x7> AlexBO d4x
[07:34] <fabiob> mjkelly93: it should
[07:34] <tony> it says that it is not a catalog...
[07:34] <MagiPink> kbrooks: Yes, but... It wouldn't be not-black. o.O I had to restart.
[07:34] <mjkelly93> fabiob, whats the 2 for?
[07:34] <fabiob> tony: file-roller
[07:35] <AlexBO> Discipulus: no :-)  because it's very slow. I'm used to getright with win and it was more and more speedier
[07:35] <fabiob> mjkelly93: it redirects the standard error
[07:35] <mjkelly93> ok
[07:35] <HappyFool> tony: what does 'file <filename.iso>' tell you -- maybe it's not a standard iso ?
[07:35] <Seveas> tony, use mount -o loop /path/to/iso /path/to/mountpoint
[07:35] <tony> thankx ill try file roller!
[07:35] <mjkelly93> ill try that fab, im gonna have to restart twice so it wil take a while for me to get back
[07:35] <Discipulus> aleksi_, it isn't slow, it goes as fast as your internet connection...
[07:35] <Seveas> tony, a nice gui for it will be available in Breezy
[07:35] <AlexBO> raven3x7: Discipulus: I've used it, but it doesn't work with this link: http://download.oracle.com/otn/linux/oracle10g/ship.ccd.lnx32.cpio.gz
[07:35] <Discipulus> aleksi_, why not?
[07:35] <Discipulus> er
[07:36] <Discipulus> AlexBO, what's the problem with it?
[07:36] <tony> ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data
[07:36] <raven3x7> AlexBO, maybe oracle block download managers?
[07:36] <Centaur> ^DodGeR^: Are you still around?
[07:37] <knowledge_> can someone tell me why I can't install the Locales package/
[07:37] <Discipulus> AlexBO, you need to be logged into their website to download that and wget doesn't support cookies
[07:37] <AlexBO> raven3x7: Discipulus: yes, it can be this problem. usually it requires me a password, but that time it didn't. and dx4 didn't work
[07:37] <knowledge_> it keeps saying something about unresolved dependancies
[07:37] <tony> i get this ... mount:is not catalog....
[07:38] <AlexBO> raven3x7: Discipulus: now i will retry
[07:38] <Fanskapet> hmm FireFox downloadmanager suits me well atleast
[07:38] <DaZjorz> Discipulus!
[07:38] <DaZjorz> You're back!
[07:38] <DaZjorz> ^^
[07:38] <Discipulus> DaZjorz, yes?
[07:38] <raven3x7> AlexBO, see if you can tell d4x to supply a password somewhere
[07:38] <Discipulus> lol, so?
[07:38] <DaZjorz> ^^
[07:38] <AlexBO> raven3x7: Discipulus: ok
[07:38] <flodine> is breezy nice
[07:39] <^DodGeR^> im here Centaur
[07:39] <DaZjorz> ^^
[07:39] <DaZjorz> i'm installing Ubuntu
[07:39] <raven3x7> AlexBO, there is an option for supplying a password in d4x in the new download tab. you probably need to enable it
[07:39] <Centaur> ^DodGeR^: No luck at all, I can't change the default gw to anything cause wlan0 is the only thing listed
[07:39] <DaZjorz> for the how-maniest time now
[07:40] <DaZjorz> its giving errors about the kernel all the time...
[07:40] <tony> Seveas:i get ....mount:is not catalog.... what can be wrong?
[07:40] <DaZjorz> Nvm, it works now :)
[07:40] <AlexBO> raven3x7: it seems be it! :-)
[07:40] <just_in> could anyone suggest a Open source CAD program for linux?
[07:40] <DaZjorz> -- NOTIC: Everyone who has a kernel error saying "linux-386 can't be installed"
[07:40] <Centaur> ^DodGeR^: I looked at the log on my router and it keeps saying that the mac address keeps connecting but it appears that it doesn't stay connected
[07:40] <raven3x7> just_in what exactly do you wanna do?
[07:40] <DaZjorz> -- NOTICE: Do this on console 2: cd /usr/bin (and) ln -s udpgk dpgk
[07:41] <raven3x7> AlexBO, cool!
[07:41] <DaZjorz> -- NOTICE or something :\
[07:41] <DaZjorz> --NOTICE: not sure about the DPGK
[07:41] <just_in> what I want to do is design a ball - like a toy whiffle ball
[07:41] <just_in> injection molding type stuff
[07:42] <tony> file-roller cant open .iso files.... hmm any other gui:s
[07:42] <tony> ?
[07:42] <Centaur> ^DodGeR^: I did change the dns in /etc/network/interfaces just to be sure
[07:42] <raven3x7> well theres qtcad or something like that but it does only 2d. you seem to be looking for 3d. am i right?
[07:42] <^DodGeR^> uff Centaur  , no clues really , manually change the route ??
[07:42] <fabiob> tony: what version?
[07:42] <^DodGeR^> route del default
[07:42] <^DodGeR^> route add default gw youNewGw
 Seveas:i get ....mount:is not catalog.... what can be wrong? <-- is it a good iso file..?
[07:42] <just_in> yes -3D
[07:43] <Seveas> tony, what does 'file filename.iso' say?
[07:43] <raven3x7> well for 3d i only know blender3d but thats not a cad app
[07:43] <fabiob> tony: file-roller supports iso from 2.7.0
[07:43] <tony> Seveas:i think so it passed a par2 check+ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data
[07:43] <just_in> thanks
[07:43] <tony> i have 2.10.1 thanks!
[07:43] <surly> just_in:http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html
[07:44] <MagiPink> Hey. :-D
[07:44] <fabiob> tony: maybe it's not a common iso. It is a XBOX game, or something?
[07:44] <raven3x7> surly that does 3d?
[07:44] <tony> fabiob errr yes ;)- can i use something else?
[07:45] <tony> fabiob:like quix for xp?
[07:45] <surly> just_in: standard 2D XY axis stuff. Blender is your best bet with the 3D
[07:45] <fabiob> tony: search for xbiso, xtract or xbtool :)
[07:45] <raven3x7> surly that link is wrong
[07:46] <tony> fabiob: muy bien , gracias!!
[07:46] <raven3x7> surly sorry my bad
[07:46] <fabiob> tony: np
[07:46] <surly> raven3x7: np
[07:47] <DaZjorz> can I find them on the Ubuntu page ?
[07:47] <surly> does anyone have JACK running in ubuntu yet?
[07:47] <mike998> DaZjorz: www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:47] <mjkelly93> fabiob, where will that log be written cuz i cant find it?
[07:47] <DaZjorz> Thanks a lot Mike998 :)
[07:47] <raven3x7> surly we were actually talking about the same prog i just confused the name
[07:48] <mjkelly93> i did a grep fglrx *     in /var/log/ and i found it in the kern.log
[07:48] <fabiob> mjkelly93: it's in your home
[07:48] <raven3x7> !addingrepositories
[07:48] <ubotu> raven3x7: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:48] <mjkelly93> its not there
[07:48] <raven3x7> !addingrepos
[07:48] <surly> raven3x7: i figured as much. there arent alot of options other than those 2, unless i'm mistaken.
[07:48] <ubotu> raven3x7: Bugger all, i dunno
[07:49] <Seveas> !repositories
[07:49] <ubotu> well, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:49] <raven3x7> surly yeah its a pitty but i guess cad requires a hell of lot of resources
[07:49] <raven3x7> Saveas thanks
[07:50] <Seveas> DaZjorz, ubuntuguide puts backports in there by default
[07:50] <Seveas> that is not recommended
[07:50] <Seveas> DaZjorz: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[07:51] <mike998> DaZjorz: please stop using the /me command.
[07:51] <jinroh> nickserv IDENTIFY jinroh
[07:52] <kbrooks> jinroh!
[07:52] <surly> raven3x7: yes it certainly does. i used[still do sometimes]  autocad for years. but now for 2D, i can run QCad on my old laptop just fine.
[07:52] <HappyFool> jinroh: try '/msg nickserv identify <yourpassword>'
[07:52] <JMCS> hello I spoke in spanish
[07:52] <meta> does anyone know why ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net is down?
[07:52] <Raptoid> nickserv IDENTIFY blablabla
[07:53] <JMCS> any girl for me
[07:53] <JMCS> ??
[07:53] <HappyFool> and hopefully your password and nick aren't the same ;)
[07:53] <Raptoid> msg nickserv identify 44649876434314
[07:53] <david_> hey
[07:53] <raven3x7> surly i work at a printshop. we sure would love an open autocad compatible cad app.
[07:53] <jinroh> Has anyone had success installing Blender3d
[07:53] <david_> does anyone know how to make things transparent in GIMP?
[07:53] <linukso> jinroh: yes
[07:54] <lancer285> is anyone here good w/ video capturing?
[07:54] <JMCS> goodby
[07:54] <david_> I'm trying to adapt a windows icon but i can only get it to a png with white background
[07:54] <linukso> david_: add alpha channel
[07:54] <HappyFool> david_: ask in #gimp if no-one here knows
[07:54] <david_> k
[07:54] <david_> linukso, how would i join an alpha channel?
[07:54] <david_> er add
[07:55] <fonsken> david_, does png support transparant backgrounds?
[07:55] <jinroh> linukso: Did you build from source or pkg. If a package where did you obtain it
[07:55] <david_> fonsken, absoulteutheat that'[s what all linux icons are
[07:56] <highvolt1ge> is it possible to use bittorent if my isp blocks p2p stuff?
[07:56] <surly> jinroh: sudo apt-get install blender      .... this gets you blender 2.36
[07:56] <linukso> david_: rightclick on the layer you want to add the alpha channel to and select "add alpha channel"
[07:56] <linukso> jinroh: sudo aptitude install blender
[07:57] <DaZjorz> linukso: isn't that offtopi... offchannel ?
[07:57] <david_> linukso, i don't have layers, i have an img and a tool window
[07:57] <meta> 340 fps on glxgears = drivers installed for a geforce2MX ?
[07:57] <surly> raven3x7: do you work with the DXF format alot?
[07:57] <msieradzki> i see next upgrade available of X.org after apt-get update, it's still considered as broken?
[07:57] <HappyFool> meta: try 'glxinfo|grep direct'
[07:57] <HappyFool> meta: if it says 'direct rendering: Yes' things are probably working
[07:58] <msieradzki> i can guess that until someone "oficially" say that X are usable, we are not "encouraged" to use new X.org?
[07:58] <meta> happyfool: yeah it does, cheers
[07:58] <DaZjorz> ermm
[07:58] <jinroh> surly; linuko: Thanks.  Just made the switch from Fedora
[07:58] <HappyFool> msieradzki: see the topic
[07:58] <HappyFool> msieradzki: there's a specific X-org version mentioned there
[07:58] <DaZjorz> HappyFool, welcome back ^^
[07:58] <DaZjorz> HappyFool, my server can't resolve names... how do i solve that ?
[07:58] <linukso> david_: as DaZjorz said, its a bit of topic, but... select file -> menu -> dock-something -> layers-something...
[07:59] <msieradzki> yeah, i know but how do i roll back X.org version?
[07:59] <BeefTube> wow! Ubuntu64 is so fast i see smoke comeing out of my computer case! cool!
[07:59] <surly> jinroh: welcome
[07:59] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: how are you connected?
[07:59] <DaZjorz> happyfool, i have the nameserver set to my router, .. how do i change ?
[07:59] <HappyFool> msieradzki: um, dunno, sorry
[07:59] <poningru> BeefTube: put water on it now!
[07:59] <msieradzki> i have part of 41 and part of 36 so i wanted to be on something that is sure
[07:59] <poningru> j/k
[07:59] <DaZjorz> happyfool, you mean what kind of connection?
[07:59] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: dial-up, adsl, something else
[07:59] <BeefTube> does ubuntu64 use regular or unleaded?
[07:59] <msieradzki> is there something like debian X strike force in ubuntu?
[07:59] <DaZjorz> the linux server is connected via eth0 to my router, and my router is connected via ADSL
[07:59] <BeefTube> Disel?
[08:00] <DaZjorz> so linux should get its internet via ethernet
[08:00] <poningru> Bio Diesel
[08:00] <mleaste> how do I get a sun java package into synaptic. I already have the universe and multiverse loaded
[08:00] <mleaste> and there is no sun java
[08:00] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: ok, do you know the IP addresses of your nameservers?
[08:00] <meta> jinroh: can you access the servers for updating java and codecs?  http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/
[08:00] <DaZjorz> Internet is working (or i wouldn't be here, ofcourse, cuz i'm on the same network)
[08:00] <poningru> mleaste: you wont find java on there
[08:00] <flodine> does anyone have E17 installed
[08:00] <overdose> Cha , I like to ask a question about a BIG order of your Free Cds. Its for a Lan!
[08:00] <poningru> you have to install it yourself
[08:00] <DaZjorz> HappyFool, well, not by hart,.. i'll go take a look what the router thinks about that
[08:00] <D1> I use the apt/source.list from ubuntuguide and backports and java is in synaptic
[08:00] <mleaste> poningru: i have to install it by hand??
[08:01] <DaZjorz> Overdose: I see it as your username. An overdose on CD's ? xP
[08:01] <poningru> weill just go to the java website
[08:01] <poningru> it should have a .deb iirc
[08:01] <D1> look for jre
[08:01] <linukso> mleaste: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:01] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: does your router act as a dhcp server?
[08:01] <poningru> mleaste: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[08:01] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: It does, but I have my server configured to have a static IP
[08:01] <poningru> there that should help
[08:02] <knowledge_> can someone tell me why I can't install the Locales package?
[08:02] <jinroh> meta:  Nope.  Can't ping it either
[08:02] <BeefTube> ummmm on laptop I get error installing grub.. it trys to install to hd0.... if I tell it to do a full install(write over entire hard disk) will I get theis same problem? TIA
[08:02] <DaZjorz> knowledge_: does it give an error ?
[08:02] <knowledge_> it keeps saying something about unresolved dependancies
[08:02] <poningru> BeefTube: whats the prob?
[08:03] <poningru> why are you trying to install grub by itself?
[08:03] <DaZjorz> knowledge_: try apt-get install locales <-- i'm not sure about that
[08:03] <david_> linukso, there is no select file menu, no file menu under select
[08:03] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: in that case you need to set the nameserver IP's manually
[08:03] <BeefTube> errr ummm,,, grub trys to install to a hard disk that dont exist.. hd0... and crashes
[08:03] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: the place to do that is /etc/resolv.conf
[08:03] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: I know. But my router isn't telling me the nameservers. Is there another way to discover them ?
[08:03] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: look on your other machines
[08:03] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: other machines on the network, i mean
[08:04] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: It only tells the default gateway for the router to connect.
[08:04] <koisti> how to get ssh1 protocol working in ubuntu's sshd
[08:04] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Ok, i'll try that.
[08:04] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: or restart eth0 using dhcp temporarily and find out what the namservers are
[08:04] <david_> linukso, nvm, got it it's under filters color to alphaty!
[08:04] <Seveas> koisti, ssh1 is unsafe...
[08:05] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Thanks a lot
[08:05] <koisti> I know, but that's the only way for me
[08:05] <Seveas> koisti, edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[08:05] <Seveas> it says 'Protocol 2' by default
[08:05] <poningru> BeefTube: so you are just using a normal installer right?
[08:05] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: On Windows, I have the nameserver set to the router IP. And it works.
[08:06] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Does this work on Linux too ?
[08:06] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: hmm
[08:06] <raven3x7> surly not really... i only remember one client using it. mostly we do plt files sometimes we will get some dwg and rather scarcely dxf. we would need Autocad for the dwg files anyway
[08:06] <poningru> and when it gets to installing grub
[08:06] <poningru> the thing fails out?
[08:06] <BeefTube> the 64 bit hoary
[08:06] <koisti> I have try but something have to went wrong because it gives permission denied when I try to take a connection
[08:06] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: i would've thought so
[08:06] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: we can maybe test with dig
[08:06] <Seveas> koisti, did you restart sshd?
[08:06] <poningru> BeefTube: what is the error given?
[08:06] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Apparently they aren't.
[08:06] <koisti> yes and also restart the whole machine,. doesn't help
[08:07] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: On Windows, I have a static IP too. How do I discover them? Is there some website like www.whatismyip.com but then like www.whataremynameservers.com ^^
[08:07] <koisti> so what can I miss
[08:07] <jinroh> surly:  When I run the command to get blender I'm told that package can't be found.  Do I need to add a repository to apt
[08:07] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: My router is only telling me its default gateway.
[08:07] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: what does 'dig @ip.of.router www.google.com say?
[08:07] <koisti> I have added that protocol 1 to file and also the protocol 1 key file
[08:07] <BeefTube> it says "Beef tube, you suck... I tryed to install grub to HD0 and it did not work... LOL"..  Iwill try to install again tomarow... i gotta clean up and do some shopping today...
[08:07] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: On Windows...
[08:07] <poningru> wtf
[08:07] <kbrooks> BeefTube, dude
[08:07] <kbrooks> BeefTube, dude
[08:07] <kbrooks> BeefTube, dude
[08:07] <poningru> dude seriously
[08:07] <poningru> if you didnt want help
[08:08] <BeefTube> 0o
[08:08] <kbrooks> BeefTube, real error message please
[08:08] <kbrooks> ALL OF IT
[08:08] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: no, on linux
[08:08] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: It tells me a lot about Google.
[08:08] <BeefTube> it says grub failed
[08:08] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: OK
[08:08] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: dig works on windows?
[08:08] <BeefTube> and a red background screen
[08:08] <HappyFool> *puzzlement*
[08:08] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: No, I have a dig.exe
[08:08] <poningru> how many times have you tried installing?
[08:08] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: ah
[08:08] <mouse_> any tried playing .asf files?
[08:08] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: try on linux?
[08:08] <mouse_> *anyone
[08:08] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: OK
[08:08] <tony> Seveas:thanx man xbiso works!!
[08:09] <poningru> BeefTube: how many times have you tried installing?
[08:09] <raven3x7> jinroh, blender is in universe
[08:09] <BeefTube> twice...  iwill check the md5 and perhaps try burning another copy on a better CDr
[08:09] <kbrooks> BeefTube, its not the md5
[08:09] <sagitta> I have a nice simple question: how do I get numlock to be on by default (in Hoary)?
[08:09] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: It waits a few seconds and then it says "No servers could be reached. Time-out."
[08:09] <kbrooks> BeefTube, it's something else.
[08:09] <poningru> BeefTube: are you dual booting?
[08:10] <BeefTube> ah
[08:10] <surly> jinroh: yes, i added these awhile ago, and i always forget that i've done it. but again, yes, add repostories.
[08:10] <BeefTube> tripple booting
[08:10] <poningru> heh nice
[08:10] <BeefTube> win x64, win 32, and linux
[08:10] <DaZjorz> HappyFool?
[08:10] <poningru> make sure that there isnt another bootloader in the MBR already taking up space
[08:10] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: but you can ping the router from linux?
[08:10] <BeefTube> hopefully linux will be ubuntu64
[08:10] <hanasaki> wehre can i set the default app for when a file is double clicked?
[08:10] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: I'll try.
[08:10] <poningru> BeefTube: why win64?
[08:11] <poningru> expensive piece of crap
[08:11] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: My bad. The module isn't loaded. The light is off and "network is unreachable".
[08:11] <hakan> hi guys im turkey in hakan im little english for help me pls
[08:11] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: ah-ha ;)
[08:11] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: I'll do a modprobe 3c509 (my eth0 card)
[08:11] <BeefTube> for farcry64bit, and for Zbrush 2... I hold the record in highest subdevision of a model... I got 8 million polys
[08:11] <hakan> im my pc ubuntu installed.
[08:11] <FUSiONX> http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[08:11] <FUSiONX> I don't understand step 4 and 7
[08:11] <poningru> hakan: what language do you speak well?
[08:12] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: It works now. Thanks. Do I have to type 'modprobe 3c509' every time I restart the server?
[08:12] <poningru> there are other language help channels
[08:12] <kbrooks> FUSiONX, then dont use the guide
[08:12] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: hrm
[08:12] <misfit_toy> has anyone had the 99% cpu issue? where your cpu is suddenly pegged yet TOP doesn't show anything pegging it? I've had this happen with both FC and Ubuntu, I swear it's Gnome.
[08:12] <hakan> im turkey. to turkish
[08:12] <BeefTube> x64 makes me feel young and sexy too
[08:12] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Can I place it in boot.local or make it load automatically ?
[08:12] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: you can add that module to /etc/modules
[08:12] <hakan> turkish help plz.
[08:12] <FUSiONX> kbrooks don't be an asshole
[08:12] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Okay, Thanks a lot :)
[08:12] <koisti> can someone try to help me with that ssh1
[08:12] <kbrooks> FUSiONX, be nice!
[08:12] <seth_k> misfit_toy: that can be esd + gaim, eating your computer
[08:12] <Tsar_vonHumbug> peeps - what's the easiest way to get c-kermit running?
[08:12] <FUSiONX> Can you help me
[08:13] <FUSiONX> Do I just make a text file in pico>
[08:13] <misfit_toy> seth_k, really, sound and GAIM?
[08:13] <mouse_> anyone noes the necessary audio codecs that i need to install to listen to .asf files?
[08:13] <kbrooks> FUSiONX, and execute it? er wait
[08:13] <misfit_toy> seth_k, next time it happens I'll kill -9 Gaim and see what happens. thx.
[08:13] <seth_k> misfit_toy: let me look up the bug for you. Basically some things like Gaim spawn a new process each time they try to play a sound, and esd doesn't properly kill it off. So you get a bunch of processes that kill your system
[08:14] <misfit_toy> seth_k, wow, interesting, thanks!
[08:14] <HappyFool> Tsar_vonHumbug: there's a ckermit package in the ubuntu multiverse repository
[08:14] <lancer285> does anyone here know anything about cinelerra??
[08:14] <kbrooks> FUSiONX, that runs the runLime.sh
[08:14] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Is openssh-server the same as sshd ?
[08:14] <Tsar_vonHumbug> for the record, I got my usb converter to work - just plugged it in & usbserial seems to detect the port - can now cat /dev/usb/ttyUSB0 - pretty neat
[08:14] <OdiiN> anyone knows what command can produce system bell sound ( echo $'\a' dont works ) ?
[08:15] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: openssh-server should provide an sshd
[08:15] <poningru> 
[08:15] <poningru> oops sorry
[08:15] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Thanks
[08:16] <HappyFool> OdiiN: try it in an xterm -- it seems to work there
[08:16] <HappyFool> OdiiN: maybe you need to tweak gnome-terminal settings
[08:16] <hakan> help me pls (im turkish)
[08:16] <Tsar_vonHumbug> HappyFool, have you used it? I can only find gkermit, which doesn't seem to support serial
[08:16] <poningru> hakan: ask the question we will try to help as much as we can
[08:17] <HappyFool> Tsar_vonHumbug: sorry, no. i haven't used kermit in over 8 years
[08:17] <uc50ic4more> lancer285 - I have taken a look-see @ their web site, but have not installed yet... I assume you are using some type of editing app in Windows, and *really* want to find something suitable in Linux?
[08:17] <seth_k> misfit_toy: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5711 is one example, but there are newer ones that are not fixed yet. I can't find them right now.
[08:17] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: no problem ;)
[08:17] <Tsar_vonHumbug> heh - serial is so yesterday ;)
[08:17] <DaZjorz> ^^
[08:17] <OdiiN> HappyFool:  works at terminal, but i need a command, to use in gkrellm
[08:17] <hakan> not understand please turkish talk me operator
[08:17] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: It works :) I'm connected remotely. thanks a lot
[08:18] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: One luxery thing, if its ok... Is it possible to change the login message ?
[08:18] <godofchicken> hi guys, just got my ubuntu cds (thanks a lot) but I'm having a bit of a problem installing
[08:18] <Tsar_vonHumbug> /etc/motd iirc
[08:18] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: um
[08:18] <poningru> godofchicken: whats wrong?
[08:18] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: maybe /etc/issue
[08:19] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Thanks again :) And thanks for all again :)
[08:19] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: or look in /etc/ssh/sshd_config -- and 'man sshd_config'
[08:19] <godofchicken> Basically, I'm on a laptop and it won't acknowledge the keyboard during install
[08:19] <godofchicken> I don't have a spare keyboard here, either
[08:19] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: or what Tsar_vonHumbug said about /etc/motd -- i'm not too sure
[08:19] <jinroh> raven3x7:  Where do I add the unverse entry.  I thought it was /etc/apt/sources.list but that does not appear to be working.  I added the following entries "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[08:19] <jinroh> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe"
[08:19] <poningru> ooph no clue dude
[08:20] <misfit_toy> seth_k, thanks
[08:20] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Thanks thanks :)
[08:20] <HappyFool> jinroh: are you running warty ?
[08:20] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: cool ;)
[08:20] <HappyFool> jinroh: warty = ubuntu 4.10 (older), hoary = ubuntu 5.04 (newer)
[08:20] <jinroh> HappyFool:  I'm running version 5.04
[08:20] <OdiiN> oh, i see manual of xterm, i'll look for settings
[08:21] <godofchicken> no ideas, then?
[08:21] <HappyFool> jinroh: then that line is incorrect
[08:21] <poningru> godofchicken: what kind of keyboard does your lappy have?
[08:21] <poningru> like the standard US one or the EU one?
[08:21] <HappyFool> OdiiN: sorry, no clue about gkrellm ;)
[08:21] <godofchicken> It's inbuilt standard EU one
[08:21] <jinroh> HappyFool:  The file that should be updated is it still sources.list in 5.04
[08:21] <HappyFool> jinroh: yes
[08:22] <HappyFool> jinroh: but you need 'hoary' lines, not 'warty'
[08:22] <HappyFool> jinroh: that file should have almost correct lines, just that they start with a '#'
[08:22] <raven3x7> jinroh, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[08:22] <HappyFool> !sources
[08:22] <ubotu> from memory, sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[08:22] <raven3x7> jinroh, yes it is sources.list
[08:22] <HappyFool> hmm, what happened to Seveas' sources.list example?
[08:23] <jomdom> hey guys, could I get some help installing the updated firefox 1.0.5 on my new ubuntu install? how do i go about finding the old one, removing it, and cleanly re-installing?
[08:23] <HappyFool> gah, that's an empty page!
[08:23] <jinroh> raven3x7; HappyFool:  Thanks
[08:23] <raven3x7> jomdom apt-get remove firefox should remove it
[08:24] <lancer285> I'm having problems getting mplayer to work
[08:24] <lancer285> err even installing
[08:24] <kbrooks> HappyFool, maybe #ubuntu-nun knows?
[08:24] <HappyFool> interesting channel name
[08:24] <poningru> jomdom: why do yo want to remove firefox?
[08:25] <HappyFool> kbrooks: you mean #ubuntu-doc?
[08:25] <jomdom> because i want to install the newest
[08:25] <poningru> oh upgrade
[08:25] <poningru> ic
[08:25] <jomdom> i tried the upgrade via the package manager
[08:25] <jomdom> but it only takes me to 1.0.2
[08:25] <poningru> wait till 1.0.6
[08:25] <raven3x7> lancer285 what exaclty is the prob?
[08:25] <OdiiN> if anyone needs a bell for gkrellm this is the command -> xterm -e echo $'\a'
[08:25] <jomdom> well, i figure this is something i need to learn
[08:25] <poningru> they will come out with 1.0.6 within a week
[08:25] <OdiiN> thanks HappyFool
[08:25] <jomdom> i dont' want to have to depend on precompiled packages
[08:25] <poningru> well maybe a little more
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> OdiiN,  ive also seen several 'beep' type commands that can do more controll.
[08:26] <DaZjorz>   Is there some general place where the newest full sources list is ?
[08:26] <Centaur> ^DodGeR^: hey I just wanted to thank you for your help earlier. I think I'm pretty screwed with this network though so maybe I'll have to do a reinstall on my router at work.
[08:26] <poningru> jomdom: just go into synaptic and uninstall fierfox from there
[08:26] <Tsar_vonHumbug> HappyFool, found it thanks, once I enabled multiverse
[08:26] <raven3x7> jomdom,  1.0.2 from ubuntu is actually 1.0.4 from mozilla
[08:26] <poningru> and then go to getfirefox.com
[08:26] <kbrooks> !firefox
[08:26] <ubotu> Firefox on warty is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[08:26] <poningru> and download firefox and install
[08:27] <HappyFool> Tsar_vonHumbug: cool. happy serialising
[08:27] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Firefox 1.0.4 is available from backports, btw
[08:27] <Tsar_vonHumbug> :)
[08:27] <jomdom> backports?
[08:27] <poningru> yeah but 1.0.5 isnt
[08:27] <jomdom> !backports
[08:27] <ubotu> hmm... backports is at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[08:27] <kbrooks> dont
[08:27] <OdiiN> Dr_Willis: which are they?
[08:27] <raven3x7> Tsar_vonHumbug,  1.0.4 is already in ubuntu. no need for backports
[08:27] <poningru> no thats not it
[08:27] <^DodGeR^> that sux Centaur  :(
[08:27] <lancer285> raven3x7 when I do sudo apt-get install mplayer it says that its in the database, but not actually there
[08:27] <^DodGeR^> hope u get it going
[08:28] <Tsar_vonHumbug> cool - I'll update thx
[08:28] <liroth> hey kids, how do I figure out why my USB 2 device is only doing USB 1 thoughput? (10 kbit/s)
[08:28] <raven3x7> lancer do apt-get update and retry
[08:28] <kbrooks> ubotu, backports =~ s////. Do not use these for days./
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> OdiiN,  one i think was called 'beep' :P used it a few mo back on a headless server.. i made it beep out different codes during boot up.
[08:28] <Tsar_vonHumbug> umm - do you have the right drivers for USB 2 ?
[08:28] <Centaur> ^DodGeR^: yeah, I took it to my friend's house yesterday cause he's been using linux for years and he said that he had the problem with his old mac but he can't remember how he fixed it
[08:28] <lancer285> raven3x7 okay thanks!
[08:29] <raven3x7> lancer285, you need to sudo ap-get btw
[08:29] <^DodGeR^> Centaur, maybe just remove the wireless connection alltogehter , then reboot , adn readd it from scratch ?
[08:29] <Tsar_vonHumbug> liroth, what's hanging off the USB?
[08:29] <kbrooks> ubotu, backports =~ s#/#. Do not use the backports for day to day usage.
[08:29] <ubotu> kbrooks: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[08:29] <^DodGeR^> pointin at new essid and router and whatnot
[08:29] <kbrooks> ubotu, backports =~ s#/#. Do not use the backports for day to day usage.#
[08:29] <ubotu> kbrooks: OK
[08:29] <kbrooks> !backports
[08:29] <ubotu> well, backports is at http:. Do not use the backports for day to day usage./backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[08:29] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: its /etc/motd :)
[08:29] <kbrooks> uh
[08:29] <kbrooks> :|
[08:29] <liroth> Tsar_vonHumbug, only an USB Storage Device
[08:30] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: cool, will remember that
[08:30] <liroth> a USB 2.0 Storage Device to be exact
[08:30] <OdiiN> any command as beep :\
[08:30] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: I just made it 2 lines instead of 15. xP
[08:30] <liroth> Tsar_vonHumbug, any way I can check wether the kernel treats it as an USB1 or USB2 port-
[08:30] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: well 8, not 15
[08:30] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: oh yeah, i vaguely remember ssh'ing into an ubuntu box
[08:30] <poningru> liroth: go into system admin and device man
[08:31] <Centaur> ^DodGeR^: Maybe I'll give that a shot or I'm actually thinking about buying a new wireless card but I'm not sure which brand uses the prism2
[08:31] <Mobius> anyone here using adblock with firefox?
[08:31] <raven3x7> anyone got experience with the nvidia driver?
[08:31] <HappyFool> Mobius: me
[08:32] <Mobius> HappyFool, check this out: http://www.pierceive.com.nyud.net:8090/
[08:32] <OdiiN> beep installed, good program xD
[08:32] <poningru> Mobius: yeah whats up?
[08:32] <^DodGeR^> dont get a ralink / rt2500
[08:32] <liroth> poningru, well usb 1.0 doesn't support power right?
[08:32] <godofchicken> No ideas, then?
[08:32] <^DodGeR^> i hear oronco or some such works fine
[08:32] <poningru> liroth: I think it does
[08:32] <HappyFool> Mobius: this going to break anything ? :)
[08:32] <Tsar_vonHumbug> lsmod might be a start ...
[08:32] <poningru> godofchicken: sorry
[08:32] <Mobius> HappyFool - no, it is a great set of filters.. just found it
[08:32] <liroth> poningru, that'd be new to me... since my usb 1 ports at home do not...
[08:32] <Mobius> figured I would share it with my beloved Ubuntuers =)
[08:32] <kbrooks> ubotu, backports is <reply>backports is at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; also, Do not use the backports for day to day usage!
[08:32] <ubotu> ...but backports is already something else...
[08:32] <Centaur> Well I was told that the new linksys cards don't work cause they have the broadcom chipset so that made me really disappointed
[08:33] <kbrooks> ubotu, forget backports
[08:33] <ubotu> kbrooks: i forgot backports
[08:33] <liroth> poningru, any way I can make linux use these ports as USB 2.0? istead of USB 1.0?
[08:33] <kbrooks> ubotu, backports is <reply>backports is at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org; also, Do not use the backports for day to day usage!
[08:33] <ubotu> okay, kbrooks
[08:33] <mike998> I've installed a program called yeahconsole, and it states that I should be using the xdefaults for the keybinding for this program to hide and show...  Where are my xdefaults>?
[08:33] <HappyFool> Mobius: ah, right. thanks
[08:33] <Mobius> HappyFool - make sure you spread the word if you like it =)
[08:34] <Tsar_vonHumbug> liroth, what do you get when you do 'lsmod | grep usb' ?
[08:34] <jcfreak> Centaur: i got a belkin card working (broadcom chipset) w/ ndiswrapper
[08:35] <liroth> Tsar_vonHumbug, what am I supposed to look for?
[08:35] <Centaur> jcfreak, Really?  So was it a pretty smooth installation and how is wep support?
[08:35] <admin0> hi all .. what do I do to have hedgehog utilize my HT processor ?
[08:35] <admin0> what do I do to have it load a smp kernel ?
[08:35] <ScislaC> anyone have success with the most recent ATI drivers and xorg?
[08:36] <hanasaki> i sold my ati and got a nv
[08:36] <Tsar_vonHumbug> liroth, just 1st place to look - usbview shows which mode you're running apparently
[08:36] <poningru> admin0: go into synaptic
[08:36] <jcfreak> Centaur: i've never messed with the wep settings, but the card setup was quite easy
[08:36] <poningru> and search for linux-
[08:36] <poningru> there should be package for smp
[08:36] <HappyFool> admin0: there are -smp kernel images, afaik
[08:36] <DaZjorz>  !! UBUNTU ROCKZ !!
[08:36] <ubotu> DaZjorz: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:36] <jomdom> poningru: when i try to remove "mozilla-firefox" from synaptic, it tells me i'll need to uninstall ubuntu-desktop and yelp as well
[08:37] <admin0> noted
[08:37] <admin0> thanks
[08:37] <Tsar_vonHumbug> liroth, lsmod should show usb-storage and scsi-mod for starters
[08:37] <poningru> oh wow
[08:37] <poningru> jomdom: hmm
[08:37] <admin0> are there login screens available or ubuntu ? where I can select a few ?
[08:37] <DaZjorz> Ubotu: My server is... But ubuntu itself.. I have no idea what is bigger, about 1 GB or a breadbox
[08:37] <ubotu> that's too long, DaZjorz
[08:37] <DaZjorz> ubotu ?
[08:37] <ubotu> DaZjorz: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:37] <Tsar_vonHumbug> yep jomdom, same here - probably not a good idea to uninstall methinks...
[08:37] <DaZjorz> ubotu, is that a bot .. xP
[08:37] <ubotu> DaZjorz: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:37] <Centaur> jcfreak: Well maybe I'll have to look into a new card then, I have a sneaky suspicion that my problems with my wireless right now is probably because of the card (D-Link DWL-630)
[08:37] <DaZjorz> It iz.
[08:37] <jcfreak> Centaur: here is some info that could be helpful: http://www.gidforums.com/t-4390.html
[08:38] <DaZjorz> Thats for sure
[08:38] <DaZjorz> Ubotu is a bot
[08:38] <DaZjorz> xP
[08:38] <ubotu> DaZjorz: I give up, what is it?
[08:38] <helgoman> hi
[08:38] <DaZjorz> A BOT
[08:38] <DaZjorz> xP
[08:38] <raven3x7> i think ubuntu-desktop is not what the name suggests if i remember correctly
[08:38] <HappyFool> admin0: look in System -> Administration -> Login screen setup
[08:38] <jomdom> well, hmmm... how do I install firefox 1.0.5 then?
[08:38] <DaZjorz> Ubotu, I don't like to tell you this... I'm really sorry for this... But, i have to be honest... You are a bot....
[08:38] <ubotu> DaZjorz: I think you lost me on that one
[08:38] <mjkelly93> how do i completely uninstall the fglrx module because i need to reinstall it?
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> jomdom,  could use the source.
[08:38] <Tsar_vonHumbug> jomdom, did you install the backports firefox?
[08:38] <jomdom> nope
[08:38] <admin0> i know that HappyFool , i want to know if there were alternatives and more available for choice D:
[08:38] <mjkelly93> my kern.log is telling me its loaded even after i removed it via synaptic
[08:38] <jcfreak> Centaur: i would try to set the wep up and let you know how it works, but its on my pc at work
[08:38] <HappyFool> admin0: ah, no clue
[08:38] <Tsar_vonHumbug> jomdom, cool - so that's not the problem - whew!
[08:38] <Mobius> jomdom..
[08:38] <jomdom> well, i marked firefox for upgrade in synpatic
[08:39] <Mobius> It is safe to remove this package if some of the desktop system
[08:39] <Mobius> packages are not desired.  However, it is recommended that you keep
[08:39] <Mobius> it installed, because it is used to carry out certain upgrade
[08:39] <Mobius> transitions (such as adding new packages to the system).
[08:39] <jomdom> and it worked
[08:39] <liroth> Tsar_vonHumbug, yea that's what it shows.
[08:39] <Mobius> thats ubuntu-desktop jomdom
[08:39] <Tsar_vonHumbug> install & run usbview
[08:39] <jomdom> hmm, so i think i'll leave it in there
[08:39] <lpk> How could i configure GTK 1 fonts etc. in similiar fashion than with qt-config?
[08:39] <Mobius> I took it out on my laptop jomdom
[08:39] <poningru> jomdom: you can just install 1.0.5
[08:39] <mjkelly93> anyone                   im trying to completely remove the fglrx module, any advice?
[08:39] <poningru> it doesnt matter
[08:39] <poningru> oh btw
[08:39] <thechitowncubs> ubotu
[08:39] <jomdom> but isnt' that like... dirty?
[08:39] <Centaur> jcfreak: Wep is really important to me cause I'm never going to disable that at my store, too many customers with personal info that I don't want to risk
[08:39] <jomdom> duplicate files, etc?
[08:40] <poningru> jomdom: no the installer should detect
[08:40] <poningru> you should take a look at their installer
[08:40] <jomdom> i am used to a windows file system where programs go into program files, etc.
[08:40] <lancer285> raven3x7 I tried the apt
[08:40] <jomdom> where are programs typically installed?
[08:40] <poningru> jomdom: where ever you want
[08:40] <DaZjorz> mjkelly: Does this work: apt-get uninstall fglrx
[08:40] <lancer285> raven3x7 I tried the apt-get update, but that didn't help
[08:40] <poningru> I go with /usr/local
[08:40] <DaZjorz> mjkelly: Just trying
[08:40] <poningru> but its your choice
[08:40] <my_haz> jomdom: /usr/local/
[08:40] <mjkelly93> ill try it but i doubt it
[08:40] <poningru> make sure to run sudo when you run the installer
[08:41] <raven3x7> jomdom poningru it is not recomended to istall firefox over a previous installation
[08:41] <my_haz> jomdom: exes are in /usr/local/bin
[08:41] <FUSiONX> any one use Cedaga?
[08:41] <poningru> really?
[08:41] <DaZjorz> mjkelly93 you're trying to remove a driver module? try /etc/modules ...
[08:41] <Centaur> jcfreak: What model is your card?
[08:41] <lancer285> fusionx, yeah I use cedega
[08:41] <mjkelly93> etc/modules?
[08:41] <poningru> I am currently running 3 diff firefox at the same time
[08:41] <FUSiONX> does it work?
[08:41] <lancer285> works great
[08:41] <FUSiONX> really?
[08:41] <poningru> err 3 diff versions
[08:41] <lancer285> yeah, you having problems?
[08:41] <FUSiONX> may I PM you?
[08:41] <poningru> no problems here
[08:41] <DaZjorz> mjkelly93 it has the modules you are loading at boot. Maybe this helps.
[08:41] <lancer285> yup
[08:41] <raven3x7> lancer285, try mplayer-386 i thought there was a meta package. you could also search for mplayer in synaptic
[08:42] <jomdom> poningru: it's more of a personal thing... i like neatness
[08:42] <lancer285> raven3x7 I tried that too, but I get the same error
[08:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do i set grub to use a different kernel
[08:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> ?
[08:42] <jomdom> no old versions if they aren't needed, etc.
[08:42] <liroth> Tsar_vonHumbug, okay... and now?
[08:42] <poningru> right that makes sense
[08:42] <my_haz> lancer285: mplayer installs fine, on unbuntu from the main site, you make sure to get a bunch of codecs too
[08:42] <raven3x7> thats weird
[08:42] <poningru> jomdom: for me synaptic does not ask to remove everything
[08:42] <poningru> so I dont know whats going on
[08:42] <greatzky> good afternoon.
[08:42] <jcfreak> Centaur: i can't remember the exact model.  its a 54G card, lspci describes the chip as Broadcom Corporation BCM94306 802.11g (rev 03)
[08:42] <lancer285> okay, I'll keep looking around
[08:42] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Another problem.
[08:43] <poningru> try to install another browser first
[08:43] <liroth> Tsar_vonHumbug, this system is supposed to have USB 2.0 ports... but usbview is reporting 1.0
[08:43] <poningru> and see if that helps
[08:43] <mjkelly93> DaZjorz,  i need to remove the actual module so i reinstall over it
[08:43] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: shoot
[08:43] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Where can I paste the error message? #paste ?
[08:43] <DaZjorz> mjkelly93: can't you just overwrite ?
[08:43] <jomdom> poningru: alright
[08:43] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:43] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: could u take a look there
[08:43] <mjkelly93> DaZjorz, everywhere i look it says overwriting doesnt always work for fglrx
[08:43] <raven3x7> lancer285, maybe there's a temporary problem with the repo?
[08:43] <Centaur> Does anybody know how well the internal wireless intel cards are supported by linux?
[08:44] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: where? #flood ?
[08:44] <my_haz> Centaur: like a centrino ?
[08:44] <DaZjorz> mjkelly93: sorry. Maybe you can try, if it doesnt work, ask someone else...
[08:44] <Centaur> my_haz: yeah, cause my laptop can have one if I want it
[08:44] <lancer285> raven3x7 okay.
[08:44] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Do I fill in my own username there or the one I want to paste to
[08:44] <Tsar_vonHumbug> liroth, ah... well the 1st step to solving a problem is knowing you have a problem...
[08:44] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: yours
[08:44] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: it doesn't matter too much
[08:44] <mjkelly93> DaZjorz, do u know where i can find the module?
[08:45] <my_haz> Centaur: mine it works fine, but you might try knoppix first to see how much of a problem it will be
[08:45] <my_haz> Centaur: you can use ndiswrapper, its pretty easy
[08:45] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: pasted. Please take a look at the Dazjorz one
[08:45] <Tsar_vonHumbug> liroth, so what make/model is the storage device?
[08:45] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: standby
[08:45] <Centaur> my_haz: Okay, well maybe I'll call my distributor and find out the chipset if I was to buy the card. I think it's time for a change.  :)
[08:46] <my_haz> Centaur: of course you can't do any security auditing with these crap cards
[08:46] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: eek
[08:46] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: what do I do ?
[08:46] <my_haz> Centaur: you don't have the card yet?
[08:46] <liroth> Tsar_vonHumbug, WesternDigital, 80GB, USB 2
[08:46] <Centaur> my_haz: Well I think I'll buy a new one cause this d-link seems to be a problem
[08:46] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: can you cd to /media/cdrom   (I assume the ubuntu cd is in the drive)
[08:46] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Ofcourse
[08:46] <my_haz> Centaur: well if you buy one BYE A GOOD ONE! hehe not one of those intel jobies
[08:47] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: and run 'md5sum -c md5sum.txt'   -- that will verify the integrity of the files
[08:47] <DaZjorz> erm
[08:47] <my_haz> Centaur: do your research
[08:47] <liroth> Tsar_vonHumbug, whats makeing me wonder is: usbview is reporting that the usb slot is version 1.10 and speed is 12Mbit/s but I am told these slots are usb 2.0 ....
[08:47] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: cdrom is mounted as /cdrom, not /media/cdrom
[08:47] <my_haz> Centaur: go to netstumblers website and you will find tons of info!
[08:47] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: ok
[08:47] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Its not mounted. Sorry.
[08:47] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: It is now. I'll try
[08:47] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: that could be the problem ;)
[08:47] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: No, apt-get mounts it automatically
[08:47] <Centaur> my_haz: Well I figure I'll buy external but I'm just looking into my options. I switched to ubuntu because of my wireless card and it works fine but only with the router I used to install  :)
[08:47] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: ok
[08:48] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: I'm checking integrity.
[08:48] <my_haz> Centaur: Sounds like a plan
[08:48] <raven3x7> lancer285, synaptic works for me. you used that repository i gave you?
[08:48] <poningru> anyone know how to mount a usb wireless adapter?
[08:48] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Does this md5sum.txt contains the md5's for all files on the whole CD ?
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> poningru,  a wireless network adaptor?
[08:48] <Centaur> my_haz, Thanks for the info.
[08:49] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: as far as i know
[08:49] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: K. How long does this take |-)
[08:49] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: a little while
[08:49] <tobytwirl> Hi all! Having a bit of a crisis here and would be grateful for some help.  How can I log on as su ?
[08:49] <DaZjorz> type su xP
[08:49] <DaZjorz> sudo su -
[08:49] <DaZjorz> and type in password
[08:49] <Discipulus> ya'll got the wallop
[08:49] <Discipulus> follow it
[08:49] <lancer285> raven3x7 the main site?
[08:50] <synd> /ignore lilo
[08:50] <DaZjorz>  ??
[08:50] <synd> :>
[08:50] <raven3x7> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[08:50] <tobytwirl> There's the problem ... I only have one password and it says it's wrong
[08:50] <DaZjorz> LOL
[08:50] <DaZjorz> Are you sure you typed it in correctly
[08:50] <DaZjorz> Is your caps lock off
[08:50] <DaZjorz> Etc.
[08:51] <tobytwirl> Yes but I was only ever asked to supply a password once during installation and I have that written down
[08:51] <HappyFool> tobytwirl: that password should work with sudo
[08:51] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: This takes long -.-
[08:52] <HappyFool> tobytwirl: to test, try 'sudo ls' and enter your user password
[08:52] <tobytwirl> OK let me try again
[08:52] <elmagozizou> Does anyone recomend me a a good partitionig program???(not gparted)
[08:52] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: we can test only those files, if you want
[08:52] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Maybe
[08:52] <erirlar> where can i find the ubuntu package list?
[08:52] <poningru> Dr_Willis: yep
[08:52] <HappyFool> erirlar: maybe packages.ubuntu.com is what you want
[08:52] <tobytwirl> now it says unknown id xP
[08:52] <raven3x7> lancer285, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[08:53] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Maybe it helps if I don't copy the files off the cd, but download them from the internet. How do I setup my sources.list to make it do that ?
[08:53] <erirlar> HappyFool: thanks, just what i needed
[08:53] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: fairly easily
[08:53] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list, and uncomment the appropriate lines
[08:53] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: or you can look here:
[08:53] <HappyFool> !sources
[08:53] <ubotu> somebody said sources was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories, or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[08:53] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: at the second URL is an example sources.list you can use
[08:54] <tobytwirl> sudo ls returns   install-report.template
[08:54] <HappyFool> tobytwirl: then sudo is working
[08:54] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: I'll put the CD at the bottom.
[08:54] <khal> how can i install ati x600 mobile drivers?
[08:54] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: you can just comment it out (put a '#' at the front)
[08:54] <DaZjorz> I know, but I still want to use it if the other sources aren't working.
[08:54] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: fair enough
[08:55] <Tsar_vonHumbug> liroth, the question is, how to get the driver to recognise it as usb 2.0 - might be possible with driver options, don't seem to be other mentions of the problem found on google though
[08:55] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: maybe it was just a temporary blip -- i don't know. i haven't had CD problems before
[08:55] <offLimits> hello all
[08:55] <tobytwirl> Sorry - I'm a newbie (only installed for the first time yesterday) and it's all a bit confusing
[08:55] <DaZjorz> HAppyFool: I tried twice.
[08:55] <DaZjorz> I could try another CD though.
[08:55] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: might be an idea
[08:56] <offLimits> sometimes when I log in with Ubuntu I get a message telling me my hostname was not found and that gnome may not work correctly
[08:56] <offLimits> anyone knows what it is?
[08:56] <DaZjorz> But I prefer using the internet above using the CD, because then I have all new upgrades too. :)
[08:56] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: 'short read' looks like a fairly low-level error to me, but I'm not sure
[08:57] <jkka> im waiting for the day that every internet site is done with flash
[08:57] <jkka> *download missing plugin*
[08:57] <elmagozizou> Does anyone recomend me a a good partitionig program???(not gparted)
[08:57] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Yea, but it says 'error' though, thats enough for me to just use the internet.
[08:57] <jomdom> poningru: i downloaded the newest firefox, and am in the installer - should I install it right to /usr/local or to /usr/local/bin, or what?
[08:57] <DaZjorz> elmagozizou: FDISK ?
[08:58] <DaZjorz> CFDISK ?
[08:58] <DaZjorz> fdisk is good in windows
[08:58] <DaZjorz> i think in linux, cfdisk is better
[08:58] <Maddy> jomdom, look for the version 1.0.4
[08:58] <poningru> jomdom: I create a seperate file
[08:58] <candrodor> (Psst, I think s/he means "separate")
[08:58] <poningru> but upto you
[08:58] <jomdom> Maddy: "look for the version 1.0.4"?
[08:58] <poningru> elmagozizou: I would go with qtparted
[08:59] <jomdom> i just got the tar for 1.0.5 off getfirefox.com
[08:59] <poningru> elmagozizou: systemrescuecd
[08:59] <Maddy> jomdom, what do you use right now as browser?
[08:59] <jomdom> mozilla firefox 1.0.5
[08:59] <jomdom> ohh
[08:59] <jomdom> wait
[08:59] <jomdom> mozilla firefox 1.0.2
[08:59] <jomdom> (so says the about screen)
[08:59] <poningru> jomdom: thats the 1.0.4
[08:59] <poningru> in reality
[09:00] <poningru> ubuntu backports
[09:00] <jomdom> okay, isn't that counter-intuitive? ;)
[09:00] <Maddy> ok, then look for the path to the binary
[09:00] <poningru> well for package managment purposes
[09:00] <tobytwirl> OK thanks for the suggestions - better go back to XP then ...
[09:00] <poningru> its quite helpful
[09:00] <poningru> tobytwirl: whats the prob?
[09:00] <HappyFool> jomdom: latest hoary is 1.0.2 with security fixes up to 1.0.4 -- presumably up to 1.0.5 soonish
[09:00] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: I changed the /src/apt/sources.list file. CD is now at the bottom. I'll retry.
[09:00] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: ok
[09:00] <jomdom> the path to the binary is in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[09:00] <elmagozizou> ok thks
[09:00] <DaZjorz> brb
[09:00] <tobytwirl> cannot log in as su - the only password I have is invalid
[09:01] <quique> #ubuntu-es
[09:01] <poningru> tobytwirl: use sudo
[09:01] <HappyFool> tobytwirl: you cannot login as root, by default
[09:01] <poningru> try this
[09:01] <poningru> sudo -k
[09:01] <HappyFool> tobytwirl: we recommend using sudo instead
[09:01] <poningru> and now
[09:01] <HappyFool> !sudo
[09:01] <ubotu> sudo is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:01] <poningru> sudo apt-get update
[09:01] <tobytwirl> tried that and again the password won't work
[09:01] <poningru> do those two commands
[09:01] <HappyFool> tobytwirl: you can read that url for more info
[09:01] <HappyFool> tobytwirl: but 'sudo ls' worked earlier?
[09:02] <james> Evening
[09:02] <mjkelly93> guys i figured out my problem now,   i install the fglrx package via synaptic but the kernel doesnt load the module
[09:02] <james> Would anyone here be able to help me to setup xorg.conf file to work with the 3d ati drivers?
[09:02] <elmagozizou> But qtparted is unstable...is not a risk for my HD?
[09:02] <mjkelly93> if the package installs correctly how can i instruct the kernel to load the module at bootup?
[09:02] <tobytwirl> sudo ls returned the message   install-report.template
[09:03] <mjkelly93> james,  when u figure it out, u let me know too
[09:03] <HappyFool> tobytwirl: that's a file list (or so i assme)
[09:03] <HappyFool> !wiki binarydriverhowto
[09:03] <mjkelly93> james, cuz thats why im here too,     what ati model do u have?
[09:03] <james> ATI 9800
[09:03] <mjkelly93> i got a ATI 9250
[09:03] <jomdom> Maddy: when i try to select the /usr/local/mozilla-firefox directory, it tells me i don't have permission to install... do I need to shut down the installer and run it as sudo root, or is there a way to transfer an already running proccess?
[09:03] <tobytwirl> sorry don't know/understand - as mentioned, I am new to all this
[09:03] <HappyFool> tobytwirl: what error message do you get when using sudo ?
[09:03] <HappyFool> tobytwirl: fair enough
[09:04] <elmagozizou> But qtparted is unstable...is not a risk for my HD?
[09:04] <Maddy> jomdom, sudo
[09:04] <mjkelly93> i think that the ATI driver dont support my 9250 otherwise id be done already
[09:04] <tobytwirl> just entered sudo su again and for the first time I have a # prompt
[09:04] <lancer285> does anyone here have experience w/ Cinelerra? I need some help
[09:04] <HappyFool> tobytwirl: here's maybe a better test: try 'ls -l /home' and then 'sudo ls -l /home'   -- if it works, you should see exactly the same output
[09:05] <mjkelly93> anyone got experience with FGLRX out there?  specifically the ubuntu package?
[09:05] <james> Ive spent a good number of hours trying to setup the config file without any luck, just does not want to boot some im out of ideas
[09:05] <tobytwirl> ok
[09:05] <james> brb
[09:05] <mjkelly93> yeah me2     james im on day 7 now
[09:05] <james> be right back, just grabbing some food
[09:05] <HappyFool> mjkelly93, james: have you guys read this page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:06] <lancer285> my video display in cinelerra is slow, but in kino it looks fine.
[09:06] <tobytwirl> Ok - ls - l /home has come up with my username in BLUE!
[09:06] <HappyFool> tobytwirl: yay
[09:06] <HappyFool> tobytwirl: and with sudo it did the same thing?
[09:06] <Discipulus> tobytwirl, that's cuz it's a directory....
[09:06] <tobytwirl> Will try that now
[09:06] <mjkelly93> yes im pretty sure ive been there
[09:07] <|stefan|> if i install a package that replaces a ubuntu-base package . if i've understad correctly the "auto update package" function won't work ? but will still apg-get dist-upgrade work ??
[09:07] <HappyFool> tobytwirl: it won't be in colour this time -- that doesn't matter
[09:07] <tobytwirl> same details but user name in WHITE!
[09:07] <damonw> |stefan|, what package did you replace?
[09:07] <HappyFool> tobytwirl: ok. that means that sudo works. Whenever you are asked for a password, enter your user password
[09:07] <tobytwirl> forgive my ignorance but what is the significance of this?
[09:08] <damonw> tobytwirl, there is no root account. To do something as root, type "sudo [command] "
[09:08] <HappyFool> tobytwirl: i was making absolutely certain that sudo works -- i.e., that you can become 'super-user'
[09:08] <DaZjorz> HappyFool
[09:08] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: yo
[09:08] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: I just got back. I looked on the server
[09:08] <HappyFool> and?
[09:08] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, heres my response to that                          homeslice@ubuntu:~$ sudo depmod -a ; sudo modprobe fglrx
[09:08] <mjkelly93> FATAL: Module fglrx not found.
[09:08] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: It said like 15 lines of "CDROM I/O ERRORS"
[09:08] <tobytwirl> OK - what should I do next?
[09:08] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: eventhough it wasn't even logged on
[09:08] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: cd-rom is poked, i guess
[09:09] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: i'll try another cd
[09:09] <mjkelly93> im gonna try rebooting again     we'll see
[09:09] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: rebooting won't help
[09:09] <HappyFool> aargh
[09:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> is gnome eventually going to have that apple behavior where a program's menu can be put in the top bar area?
[09:09] <HappyFool> tobytwirl: what are you trying to achieve
[09:09] <tobytwirl> want to mount a device
[09:09] <DaZjorz> lol
[09:09] <HappyFool> tobytwirl: what device?
[09:09] <DaZjorz> TobyTwirl: what device
[09:09] <DaZjorz> xP
[09:09] <HappyFool> heh
[09:10] <tobytwirl> a second hd
[09:10] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: i try to get ur workload a little off
[09:10] <DaZjorz> Tobytwirl: where do you want to mount
[09:10] <DaZjorz> TobyTwirl: example /secondhd or /backup or /stuff
[09:10] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: ta ;)
[09:10] <erirlar> is there a net-install disc for ubuntu?
[09:10] <tobytwirl> the command I entered was  mount -auto .dev/hdb / mnt
[09:11] <DaZjorz> Tobytwirl you want it to mount to /mnt ?
[09:11] <tobytwirl> without the .
[09:11] <HappyFool> erirlar: take a look here (best i can do): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalNetInstall
[09:11] <DaZjorz> Tobytwirl: Use "mount /dev/hdb /mnt" without the "'s
[09:11] <HappyFool> no
[09:11] <HappyFool> /dev/hdb1, maybe
[09:11] <damonw> erirlar, try http://www.wrigley.me.uk/wp/?p=71
[09:11] <DaZjorz> oo yes i forgot
[09:11] <DaZjorz> lol
[09:11] <DaZjorz> Tobytwirl: Did u already partition, what partition do you want to mount
[09:12] <DaZjorz> Tobytwirl did u already do partitioning **
[09:12] <jomdom> woah, cool
[09:12] <kbrooks> you cannot mount entire hard drives.
[09:12] <jomdom> poningru: it automatically detected an old install, deleted the files, and reinstalled it
[09:12] <DaZjorz> lol i know
[09:12] <HappyFool> hopefully he hasn't run that -- i tried to mount an extended partition (i.e., the partition itself) once, and my machine broke
[09:12] <DaZjorz> i forgot
[09:12] <jomdom> and now I am running 1.0.5
[09:12] <jomdom> yay
[09:12] <tobytwirl> it says special device does not exist - and this is a second physical hd (old xp d:)
[09:13] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, im getting the same fatal error after a reboot
[09:13] <DaZjorz> Tobytwirl: try this: mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt
[09:13] <erirlar> HappyFool, damonw: thanks guys!
[09:13] <DaZjorz> Tobytwirl: I forgot the 1 after hdb, it means "take partition 1
[09:13] <HappyFool> tobytwirl: you can use 'sudo fdisk -l' to find all your partitions -- don't paste the output here
[09:13] <|stefan|> damonw postfix
[09:13] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: ok
[09:13] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: stand by...
[09:14] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, i had the fglrx drivers working when i installed them from the ATI site, but they dont support my 9250 card... *im pretty sure*,         the ubuntu package installed drivers in a couple completely different places than the ATI package did
[09:14] <tobytwirl> tried that command and it returns to #
[09:14] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: is the 9250 a very recent card?
[09:14] <DaZjorz> TobyTwirl OK, now do cd /mnt
[09:14] <james> back
[09:14] <mjkelly93> not particularly
[09:14] <DaZjorz> TobyTwirl: it'll have the contents of your partition :)
[09:14] <mjkelly93> in synaptic it is listed as a support card exactly
[09:15] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: ah, ok
[09:15] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: standby again (sorry ;)
[09:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so breezy is still broke?
[09:15] <DaZjorz> )
[09:15] <tobytwirl> returned /mnt #
[09:15] <damonw> ChurcH_of_FoamY, yes, X is still broken in Breezy
[09:15] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, thats why im just gonna focus on the ubuntu registered program and not mess around with the ati packages anymore,     sure take your time     ive been tryin this for about 4 days straight now i can wait a lil while
[09:15] <DaZjorz> Tobytwirl: try 'dir'. Does the harddisk partition contain anything ?
[09:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> any idea when it will be fixed cause i am just dieing to upgrade....
[09:16] <tobytwirl> it should have dir with mp3 files
[09:16] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, the ubuntu package installed about 10 files in /usr/X11R6, the ati packages didnt install anything there?
[09:16] <poningru> ChurcH_of_FoamY: breazy aint broke
[09:16] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: what's the output of 'dpkg -l xorg-driver-fglrx| tail -1'   ?
[09:16] <damonw> ChurcH_of_FoamY, I don't know, but hang around the breezy forums at ubuntuforums.org to find out when
[09:16] <poningru> its being deved right now
[09:16] <mjkelly93> homeslice@ubuntu:~$ dpkg -l xorg-driver-fglrx| tail -1
[09:16] <mjkelly93> ii  xorg-driver-fg 6.8.0-8.8.25-0 Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators
[09:16] <mjkelly93> homeslice@ubuntu:~$
[09:16] <DaZjorz> TobyTwirl: if you have done the mount, do "cd /mnt" and then "dir"
[09:16] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: hmm
[09:16] <DaZjorz> TobyTwirl: Does it output anything
[09:16] <DaZjorz> ?
[09:17] <mjkelly93> my kern.log isnt loading the module on bootup even tho its listed to be loaded in /etc/modules
[09:17] <damonw> |stefan|, what do you mean "postfix"?
[09:17] <HappyFool> mjkelly: how about 'dpkg -L xorg-driver-fglrx|grep fglrx.ko' ?
[09:17] <mjkelly93> but it WOULD load the ati drivers....
[09:17] <DaZjorz> mjkelly93: What does modprobe (module) say
[09:17] <mjkelly93> ok
[09:17] <tobytwirl> yes - the dirs are all listed and the one I'm intereted is there MP3
[09:17] <mjkelly93> it says nothing HappyFool
[09:17] <mjkelly93> DaZjorz,  1 sec
[09:18] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: hmm
[09:18] <mjkelly93> homeslice@ubuntu:~$ modprobe fglrx
[09:18] <mjkelly93> FATAL: Module fglrx not found.
[09:18] <mjkelly93> homeslice@ubuntu:~$
[09:18] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: ok, let me go find where that file is
[09:18] <DaZjorz> tobytwirl: OK, good :)
[09:18] <DaZjorz> mjkelly: ok, just wanted to know if it is a built-in module
[09:18] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, before i unloaded the ATI version fglrx, there would be a successful modprobe
[09:18] <tobytwirl> but I cannot cd to that directory - says it doesn't exist
[09:19] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: did you install the ubuntu version before or after uninstalling the ati version?
[09:19] <damonw> |stefan|, what do you mean "postfix"?
[09:19] <othernoob> mmh, how long should it take to load a 300 pages pdf?
[09:19] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: ah
[09:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there any way to make apps be in "full screen" mode, but still leave the panel visible?
[09:19] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: i think i know what might have happened
[09:19] <DaZjorz> TobyTwirl: What is the name of the directory
[09:19] <damonw> othernoob, do you have broadband or dial-up
[09:19] <tobytwirl> MP3
[09:19] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: another CD seems to work
[09:20] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: the fglrx.ko file is in the linux-restricted-modules package
[09:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> mp3 is a dinosaur that we should all quit talking about and using.
[09:20] <mjkelly93> after uninstalling
[09:20] <DaZjorz> tobytwirl: try "cd mp3"
[09:20] <othernoob> damonw: i meant, in a program, i have the file on my pc.. it seems that everything is a lot slower lately.
[09:20] <DaZjorz> without "'s
[09:20] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: the ATI version overwrote that, and then erased it when uninstalled
[09:20] <DaZjorz> ^^
[09:20] <mjkelly93> hmm interesting idea
[09:20] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: you just need to reinstall linux-restricted-moudles
[09:20] <damonw> othernoob, hmm interesting
[09:20] <mjkelly93> HappyFool,  didnt think of that,   ill use apt-get and specify my kernel version right?
[09:20] <damonw> othernoob, what OS and version are you using?
[09:20] <poningru> when was hoary released?
[09:20] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: I inserted another CD. It works now. :)
[09:21] <damonw> poningru, April 2005
[09:21] <tobytwirl> ok that worked
[09:21] <othernoob> damonw: kubuntu hoary
[09:21] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: cool ;). Throw the first one away
[09:21] <DaZjorz> xP
[09:21] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: yeah
[09:21] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: lol :) sure ^^
[09:21] <poningru> so do we excpect an october breazy release?
[09:21] <DaZjorz> TobyTwirl: Good
[09:21] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: you know how to do this?
[09:21] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: No, sorry, doesn't wrk :\
[09:21] <HappyFool> poningru: yip
[09:21] <damonw> poningru, Of course!
[09:21] <mjkelly93> i have a pretty good idea
[09:21] <tobytwirl> how do I list the contents
[09:21] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: still /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code.
[09:21] <mjkelly93> its telling me its already installed, should i force overwrite?
[09:21] <DaZjorz> tobytwirl: dir
[09:21] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: hmm
[09:22] <damonw> poningru, Every six months
[09:22] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: yip
[09:22] <mjkelly93> ok
[09:22] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: i think there's a --reinstall flag -- check the --help or 'man apt-get'
[09:22] <mjkelly93> ok
[09:22] <DaZjorz> Tobytwirl: You use mount (device) (dir) to link the directory to the contents of the device.
[09:22] <DaZjorz> Tobytwirl: You use cd (dir) to go to a directory.
[09:22] <damonw> mjkelly93, "sudo apt-get reinstall install [package] "
[09:22] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: when you have time, try running that md5sum thing -- will check the CD and you cd-rom
[09:23] <mjkelly93> reinstall isnt an option
[09:23] <DaZjorz> Tobytwirl: You use dir (or ls which is the same) to see the contents of a folder
[09:23] <tobytwirl> ok got the listing and they're all there - now all I have to do is load the player, which is where all the trouble originall started!
[09:23] <mjkelly93> damonw, i had to to sudo apt-get install --reinstall Package
[09:23] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: No, I think the problem is in /usr/bin/dpkg.
[09:23] <damonw> mjkelly93, oops! sorry
[09:23] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Because thats the file that returns errors.
[09:23] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Could that be possible ?
[09:23] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: same error? I think i have it open on the paste-bin still...
[09:23] <|stefan|> damonw that's the package i replaced =) you asked that earlier.
[09:23] <mjkelly93> damonw, its ok :)    i was trying force-overwrite heh
[09:23] <damonw> mjkelly93, :)
[09:24] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Yes, same error.
[09:24] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, ok that reinstalled correctly from the CD
[09:24] <DaZjorz> TobyTwirl: I had a player a while ago ermm
[09:24] <Garrison> mjkelly93: here's your man apt-get -- http://www.xironet.org/?UserPasteBin&paste=95b26118377ad093ff3feb8a6e970bac
[09:24] <damonw> |stefan|, you should probably be fine
[09:24] <DaZjorz> TobyTwirl: i thought its named mp123 or something
[09:24] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: ok, try the 'depmod -a; modprobe fglrx' thing now
[09:24] <tfort> anyone here play WoW on their linux system?
[09:24] <damonw> |stefan|, did it uninstall any of the "ubuntu" base packages when you removed it?
[09:24] <DaZjorz> TobyTwirl: but not sure. Standby i'll search it.....
[09:25] <|stefan|> damonw well when i replaced that package it forced me to remove the ubuntu-base package
[09:25] <mjkelly93> HappyFool,  uh oh
[09:25] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: hmm. to be honest i suspect your cd-rom
[09:25] <mjkelly93> HappyFool,    homeslice@ubuntu:~$ depmod -a; modprobe fglrx
[09:25] <mjkelly93> FATAL: Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/modules.dep.temp for writing: Permission denied
[09:25] <mjkelly93> FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted
[09:25] <mjkelly93> homeslice@ubuntu:~$
[09:25] <OdiiN> sudo :)
[09:25] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: But then both cdroms would be broken. I'll do a check.
[09:25] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: remember not to paste too much here
[09:25] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: i meant your drive ;)
[09:25] <DaZjorz> Tobytwiirl: mpg123
[09:25] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, i know    if it would have been another line or 2 i woulda used pastebin
[09:25] <tobytwirl> That's the one
[09:25] <DaZjorz> Tobytwirl you can try "apt-get install mpg123
[09:25] <DaZjorz> "
[09:26] <DaZjorz> Tobytwirl: or if that doesn't work, I'll send you the installer URL.
[09:26] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, whaddya think about that error?
[09:26] <HappyFool> mpg321
[09:26] <DaZjorz> (Y)
[09:26] <tobytwirl> OK hang on a mo
[09:26] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: as OdiiN said, you need sudo for both of those
[09:26] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, ok didnt see that
[09:26] <DaZjorz> Happyfool: If ur workload is a little to much, u can forward some of the things to me.
[09:26] <damonw> |stefan|, ubuntu-base is for warty and hoary, it depends on other packages so if the devels decide to add a standard package it will automatically get installed the next time you do an upgrade
[09:27] <mjkelly93> homeslice@ubuntu:~$ sudo modprobe fglrx
[09:27] <mjkelly93> FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted
[09:27] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, nothing
[09:27] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: um
[09:27] <james> Happyfool: Thanks, the link worked great :)
[09:27] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, should i reboot then try those commands?
[09:27] <james> I only wish I had come accross it sooner
[09:27] <HappyFool> james: cool
[09:27] <DaZjorz> Tobytwirl: I just read that mpg123 has huge security problems. You can try this program...
[09:27] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: this is new on me
[09:28] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, well then we're both learning hehe
[09:28] <DaZjorz> Tobytwirl: mp3blaster its called
[09:28] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: the depmod -a worked ?
[09:28] <yahalom> are others having issues with apt-get? i keep getting errors: (111 Connection refused)
[09:28] <|stefan|> damonw i'm running hoary i think. but what does actually the ubuntu-base package do ? it was just some documents and nothing really that important. and is it still possible to run apt-get upgrades ?
[09:28] <Strife> hmm are the backports repositories down?
[09:28] <mjkelly93> HappyFool,  yes
[09:28] <poningru> Strife: no
[09:29] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Though I've changed my source.list file now. But still its trying to copy the files from the CD. Should I remove the line completely ?
[09:29] <Pro_Newbie> How to install a *.deb package?
[09:29] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: i can't tell why that module does not load; rebooting is an option
[09:29] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, im gonna reboot then try those commands again as per described on the wiki                     ill brb
[09:29] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: i would
[09:29] <|stefan|> Pro_Newbie dpkg -i packagename
[09:29] <yahalom> anybody?
[09:29] <poningru> oh wait it is down
[09:29] <Strife> poningru: k, well I'm getting a "connection refused" error... I'll just try agin later, I guess
[09:29] <poningru> strife yes
[09:29] <damonw> |stefan|, yes you can still upgrade existing packages, but the ubuntu-base dpeendencies make it so the ubuntu devels can automatically install or uninstall packages as needed when you upgrade your whole system
[09:29] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Roger that. :)
[09:29] <Pro_Newbie> 10x |stefan|
[09:29] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: if fglrx is still in /etc/modules, it *should* load on boot
[09:29] <poningru> yahalom: whats the prob?
[09:29] <tobytwirl> it says cannot find package
[09:29] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, its there   ill brb
[09:29] <tobytwirl> ... for either
[09:30] <DaZjorz> Tobytwirl: Okay, i'll send you the file URL.
[09:30] <damonw> |stefan|, in general for a RELEASED version like hoary its ok to get rid of it
[09:30] <Tsar_vonHumbug> liroth, if you do a lsmod, do you see ehci_hcd listed?
[09:30] <DaZjorz> Tobytwirl: Do a cd /
[09:30] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, its actually listed there 4 seperate times hehe    does that matter?
[09:30] <candrodor> (Psst, I think s/he means "separate")
[09:30] <yahalom> poningru, Could not connect to ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net:80 (66.90.101.204). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[09:30] <poningru> I think everything is down
[09:30] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: only once is fine
[09:30] <poningru> yahalom: its down
[09:30] <tobytwirl> done
[09:30] <mjkelly93> OK
[09:30] <|stefan|> damonw well i don't have any choise really =) i want to have sendmail instead of postfix. so then i have to get rid of it =)
[09:30] <poningru> try again later
[09:30] <HappyFool> seperate
[09:30] <DaZjorz> Tobytwirl: then do a mkdir sources && cd sources
[09:30] <candrodor> (Psst, I think s/he means "separate")
[09:30] <yahalom> poningru, the whole thing?
[09:30] <poningru> yep
[09:30] <HappyFool> what is this candrodor thing? another bot?
[09:30] <yahalom> poningru, how long already?
[09:30] <poningru> universe main everything
[09:30] <punkrockguy318> Where can I find a list of all packages installed in a normal hoary install?
[09:30] <poningru> no clue
[09:30] <damonw> |stefan|, that ok you should be fine
[09:31] <DaZjorz> Tobytwirl: then type this command exactly
[09:31] <DaZjorz> wget http://www.stack.nl/~brama/mp3blaster/src/mp3blaster-3.2.0.tar.gz
[09:31] <D1> does anyone know if OpenOffice has some sort of "CORRECTION MODE" of typing?
[09:31] <|stefan|> damonw ok =) thanks for your help.
[09:31] <poningru> D1: what do you mean?
[09:31] <poningru> as in auto correction?
[09:31] <D1> like all my text would be highlited red
[09:31] <D1> na
[09:31] <DaZjorz> Tobytwirl: You should copy & paste that, if you are using SSH.
[09:31] <D1> I'm trying to peer edit a paper for a friend
[09:31] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: steady pm
[09:31] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: steady on, even
[09:31] <tICT_Noob> Hi all - does anyone have experience with wlans?
[09:31] <D1> and I want all my text to be autohighlighted red.
[09:31] <candrodor> This candrodor thing is I. I put the script up for some friends, to improve their spelling, and it works.
[09:31] <damonw> D1, yes you can
[09:31] <D1> do you know how, by any chance?
[09:32] <liroth> Okay. now THIS is weird.
[09:32] <Tsar_vonHumbug> tICT_Noob, yes, but not Linux specifically - wassup?
[09:32] <liroth> I got this USB 2.0 card
[09:32] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: mp3blaster is installable via apt - tobytwil just needs to setup his /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:32] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: ??
[09:32] <damonw> D1, turn on AutoSpellCheck
[09:32] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: How
[09:32] <liroth> Tsar_vonHumbug, hey I'm back. I installe an USB 2.0 card.
[09:32] <tICT_Noob> got problems connecting with Hoary
[09:32] <tobytwirl> using f1  and now back to sources dir
[09:32] <DaZjorz> Tobytwirl wait...
[09:32] <Tsar_vonHumbug> liroth, try a lsmod & see if ehci_hcd is listed...
[09:32] <damonw> D1, are you using version 1.1.x or 2.0 beta?
[09:32] <DaZjorz> it seems you can download it via apt
[09:32] <D1> 2.0 beta
[09:32] <D1> I dont mean autocorrect grammer
[09:32] <candrodor> (Psst, I think s/he means "grammar")
[09:33] <D1> grammmar*
[09:33] <liroth> Tsar_vonHumbug, but unfortunately it add's 2 1.1 UHCI for it...
[09:33] <DaZjorz> Tobytwirl Nvm. Did you download the file ?
[09:33] <tobytwirl> Not yet - waiting for the command you mentioned
[09:33] <DaZjorz> To finish?
[09:33] <liroth> Tsar_vonHumbug, but it sais USB 2.0 hub, VIA82xxx USB 1.1 UHCI Device
[09:33] <Forty|> damnit
[09:33] <D1> I mean I'm correcting my friends paper and I want all my text to be red but I dont wannat keep pressing the highlight text color button
[09:33] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: same way you did -- uncomment lines n /etc/apt/sources.list, or use this:
[09:33] <HappyFool> !sources
[09:33] <ubotu> I guess sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories, or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[09:33] <damonw> D1, make sure you have all your "en" openoffice language packs installed in synaptic and your "en" myspell packages
[09:34] <liroth> Tsar_vonHumbug, yes, it's a VIA chip I know. But why does it load the USB 1.1 driver than? makes no sense to me...
[09:34] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: I'll just make him compile it. If that doesn't work, i'll try it that way.
[09:34] <tICT_Noob> have everything setup ndiswrapper & static IP - wireless card picks up network but stops there
[09:34] <DaZjorz> TobyTwirl: Finished yet?
[09:34] <damonw> D1, the auto spellcheck wont show the red highlighting when you print
[09:34] <liroth> Tsar_vonHumbug, and ehci_hcd is loaded
[09:34] <robert_pectol> ... up and running with a brand new install of Ubuntu...  took about 1/2 hour to install and it recognized most all of my hardware!  nice!
[09:34] <tICT_Noob> cannot ping gateway or other local clients
[09:34] <elmagozizou> Does qtparted brings risk for my HD?? i mena because is unstable...
[09:34] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: on ubuntu it's generally preferred to install the deb - that way security fixes etc are installed automatically
[09:34] <damonw> D1, you'd need a macro, which could get complicated
[09:34] <liroth> Tsar_vonHumbug, ehci AND uhci...
[09:35] <D1> ok, thanks.
[09:35] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Ok. I'll try.
[09:35] <damonw> D1, you could check out oooforum.org
[09:35] <hussam> how can I tell the installation date as in when Hoary was installed on my computer?
[09:35] <D1> will do.
[09:35] <D1> thanks for the tip.
[09:35] <DaZjorz> TobyTwirl: You can cancel the download and do this command: "vi /etc/apt/sources.list"
[09:35] <poningru> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lamest_edit_wars_ever
[09:35] <poningru> sorry wrong window
[09:35] <DaZjorz> TobyTwirl: Put a # in front of the first line that says ..
[09:36] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: don't forget sudo ;)
[09:36] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: I guess he's root already..?
[09:36] <tobytwirl> download it into /sources #
[09:36] <DaZjorz> TobyTwirl: execute "sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list"
[09:36] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, modprobe didnt load any errors
[09:37] <DaZjorz> The first line should read: deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[09:37] <DaZjorz> TobyTwirl right ?
[09:37] <DaZjorz> TobyTwirl: or around that.
[09:37] <mjkelly93> it says the module was loaded
[09:37] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: cool
[09:37] <mjkelly93> in kern.log
[09:37] <DaZjorz> TobyTwirl: push "i" and then place a # in front of the line.
[09:38] <DaZjorz> TobyTwirl: Then delete the #'s in front of the lines like deb ***
[09:38] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: now you just need to tweak /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:38] <DaZjorz> TobyTwirl: like this line: deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted universe
[09:38] <tobytwirl> yes - got loads of stuff on the screen ...
[09:38] <tICT_Noob> Tsar_vonHumbug, ever seen a conflict with dhcp in linux with wireless?
[09:38] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: you need to change 'ati' to 'fglrx'
[09:38] <tobytwirl> yes line similar to that
[09:38] <DaZjorz> TobyTwirl: Private conversation could be handier.
[09:38] <tobytwirl> OK let's do it
[09:39] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, im gonna do that right now,  modprobe and depmod both ran smoothly
[09:39] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: you should not need to run those again, especially if fglrx is listed in /etc/modules
[09:39] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: I fail opening a private conversation with TobyTwirl :S
[09:39] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: just use /query tobytwirl
[09:39] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: don't bother with dcc
[09:40] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, ok      well kern.log says it loaded, modprobe says its loaded, ubuntu says its the correct version and has been verified to work on my radeon 9250, all i gotta do is restart now, wish me luck ill be back in 2 minutes
[09:40] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: also, you don't need to reboot again. let me know when you've tweaked xorg
[09:40] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: woah ;)
[09:40] <mjkelly93> HappyFool,  :)
[09:40] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: have you tweaked xorg.conf ?
[09:40] <knowledge_> where can I get information on how to install the latest kernel?
[09:40] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, yes    im gonna shut down gdm and restart it
[09:40] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: ok
[09:40] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, brb
[09:41] <Maddy> knowledge_, for ubuntu or generally?
[09:41] <OdiiN> and ctrl+alt+backspace ?
[09:41] <knowledge_> Ububtu
[09:41] <aeolist> i have installed the nvidia drivers and followed ubuntuguides guidelines... should my xorg.conf have Driver "nv" or Driver "nvidia" written?
[09:41] <james_> Where would I go about finding support for using Wine? im having trouble running an application that I know should be supported?
[09:41] <OdiiN> mjkelly93:  please, try to play a video when had fglrx driver loaded, i have poor performance with this drivers in a 9800
[09:41] <Maddy> synaptic
[09:41] <knowledge_> I tried but when I load that kernel it says "kernel panic" something yadda yadda
[09:41] <Maddy> james_, ubuntuguide.org
[09:41] <HappyFool> james_: /join #winehq
[09:41] <james_> Thanks :)
[09:41] <mjkelly93> ok OdiiN ill let ya know how it goes
[09:41] <azambuja> hi
[09:41] <azambuja> i have just one simple question
[09:41] <poningru> I had a question for Mathew Garret
[09:42] <cat> azambuja: ask
[09:42] <azambuja> can i install KDE on ubuntu after, in my HD?
[09:42] <othernoob> azambuja: yes
[09:42] <azambuja> or i have to download Kubuntu?
[09:42] <HappyFool> aeolist: nvidia
[09:42] <azambuja> i want to use both gnome and kde
[09:42] <aeolist> okie
[09:42] <aeolist> thanks
[09:42] <poningru> is laptop support for compaq come under HP support?
[09:42] <HappyFool> azambuja: you can install kubuntu-desktop after installing -- that will give you kde too
[09:42] <knowledge_> Maddy, ubuntuguide.org will explain it?
[09:42] <concept10> Has anyone noticed that firefox brings pages up slower in Linux than the windows version?
[09:42] <azambuja> othernoob: thanks
[09:42] <othernoob> azambuja: you're welcome
[09:42] <azambuja> HappyFool: by apt-get?
[09:43] <azambuja> HappyFool: cant i apt-get kde directly?
[09:43] <HappyFool> azambuja: yip. or synaptic
[09:43] <Maddy> i have my informations about wine from ubuntuguide
[09:43] <aeolist> concept10, you can make some changes to firefox, read the ubuntuguide part about ff
[09:43] <jimcooncat> concept10, have you disabled IPV6 lookups?
[09:43] <Maddy> IMHO
[09:43] <concept10> jimcooncat, aeolist : I have disabled those, but I will check again
[09:43] <azambuja> HappyFool: ok, ill try it :-) im a gentoo user
[09:43] <ValheruLord> was anybody able to configure the modem: Zoom 5510 USB
[09:43] <HappyFool> azambuja: i don't follow 'kde directly' -- assuming you have the diskspace and bandwidth, i'd just install 'kubuntu-desktop'
[09:43] <Forty|> is there anyway to force eject a cdrom?
[09:44] <azambuja> HappyFool: ok, i mean pure KDE, i guess Kubuntu-desktop comes with more than just "pure" kde
[09:44] <damonw> Forty|, use a paper clip in the little hole next to the eject button :)
[09:44] <azambuja> HappyFool: got me?
[09:44] <othernoob> Forty|: sudo umount -l /dev/hdX  or sudo umount -f /dev/hdX to unmount the drive
[09:45] <HappyFool> azambuja: there's a kde-core, which might be what you want, but i'm not sure -- i don't use kde
[09:45] <ValheruLord> was anybody able to configure the adsl modem: Zoom 5510 USB ??
[09:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> DOES anyone know whether gnome will eventually have "program menu in panel" mode, like in Mac OS and KDE?
[09:45] <concept10> jimcooncat, I have cable internet, I havent used windows in a long time, but this morning I booted windows to do something and those pages were flying in firefox
[09:45] <raven3x7> i just installed nvidia-glx. but only get a blck screen
[09:46] <Tsar_vonHumbug> liroth, the uhci is needed - apparently ehci supports only high speed
[09:46] <cat> raven3x7: TRY configuring the X for a fact,
[09:46] <damonw> concept10, http://ubuntuguide.org/#loadwebsitefasterfirefox
[09:46] <knowledge_> has anyone patched their kernel with the alps.patch file?
[09:46] <damonw> knowledge_, I run breezy with the following info
[09:46] <damonw> and my touchpad works finew
[09:46] <raven3x7> cat what do you mean?
[09:46] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: What is the name of the package mp3blaster ?
[09:47] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: mp3blaster
[09:47] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: just mp3blaster or something else
[09:47] <knowledge_> well mine does too, however I would like the extra features like scrolling and such
[09:47] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: you can search apt using 'apt-cache search <search-string>'  (no <>)
[09:47] <jimcooncat> Hi, am playing with bricolage-cms. I want to have it start up with init.d, but I need to "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/perl5/auto/libapreq/" before I can start it. Where can I put this environment variable to be set?
[09:47] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, didnt work, it hung like usual
[09:47] <damonw> knowledge_, to get scrolling etc to work go to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28132
[09:48] <HappyFool> jimcooncat: are you writing an init script for it?
[09:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> there are two beautiful yellow and black butterflies outside my apartment in san francisco, doing this mating chase thing in the sun.
[09:48] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: hmm
[09:48] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, hmmm is right    wtf   =(   i had my hopes up there
[09:48] <DaZjorz> HappyFool: Couldn't find package
[09:48] <knowledge_> damonw, Tried that, but I get errors
[09:48] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: sorry. have you looked in /var/log/Xorg.0.log  ?
[09:48] <concept10> Yep, I already had all of those changed in firefox
[09:48] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: it's in 'universe'
[09:48] <raven3x7> cat if you mean editing i've been playing with it for hours trying to find an error
[09:48] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, it hangs before it gets to write to the log, ive tried like 5 different ways to get to read that but it doesnt get to write to it
[09:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just upgraded my kernel, and although esd seems like it's working fine, i'm getting no sound.. :(
[09:49] <jimcooncat> I thought I'd modify the init script for it, but maybe I need to be looking at apache? I don't get the envrionment here, like I could with gentoo
[09:49] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: don't forget to run 'apt-get update' before trying to install
[09:49] <damonw> knowledge_, are you running hoary or breezy?
[09:49] <raven3x7> xorg conf that is
[09:49] <knowledge_> ummm.....5.04
[09:49] <knowledge_> ?
[09:49] <damonw> thats hoary
[09:49] <knowledge_> I see
[09:49] <knowledge_> there's a new version out already?
[09:49] <damonw> it's a testing version ("breezy")
[09:49] <knowledge_> I see
[09:50] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, i think im just about out of ideas    i just cant see whats going wrong?
[09:50] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: i'm out of ideas too, sorry.
[09:50] <damonw> knowledge_, This is how I got it working with scroll, etc on breezy, you could try it :) : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=48257
[09:51] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, can u think of anywhere else i can get advice?
[09:51] <azambuja> HappyFool: ok, but kde-ubuntu will give me kde and gnome on my machine, right?
[09:51] <azambuja> HappyFool: assuming im installig ubuntu
[09:51] <DaZjorz> I gotta go, won't be back in 3 weeks :(
[09:51] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: ubuntuforums, and the mailing lists
[09:51] <DaZjorz> cya
[09:51] <HappyFool> DaZjorz: cheers
[09:52] <HappyFool> !ubuntuforums
[09:52] <ubotu> HappyFool: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[09:52] <HappyFool> hmm
[09:52] <Seveas> ubotu, no
[09:52] <ubotu> Seveas: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[09:52] <Seveas> ehm...
[09:52] <Seveas> :)
[09:52] <knowledge_> damonw, Thanks, I'll look into it...I'll be back after to let you guys know how it went
[09:52] <Tsar_vonHumbug> later peeps
[09:52] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, i tried ubuntuforums like 3 times but noone there helped
[09:52] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: ok, the mailing list. standby
[09:52] <knowledge_> I was trying to install a new kernel but that didn't work out
[09:53] <knowledge_> I guess I"ll just do this for now and see how it goes
[09:53] <looksaus> hm, minor problem here
[09:53] <damonw> knowledge_, good luck I hope it works
[09:53] <HappyFool> knowledge_: note that breezy is still in testing, and may break in unexpected ways
[09:54] <damonw> HappyFool, I think he's gonna try it in Hoary
[09:54] <damonw> HappyFool, but good advice =)
[09:54] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, ok   i dont know what that is so ill wait for ya here   just lemme know
[09:54] <HappyFool> ubotu, ubuntuforums is an Ubuntu web forum at http://ubuntuforums.org/
[09:54] <ubotu> HappyFool: okay
[09:54] <looksaus> I accidentally removed the kernel image from a system I crossgraded from Knoppix
[09:54] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: finding the mailing list address
[09:54] <looksaus> (which is why there was no error message, presumably)
[09:54] <looksaus> I wonder about the best way to get going again
[09:55] <jasoncohen> last night my root file system died on me. it was an LVM2 ext3 partition. there were unrecoverable FS errors and i couldn't fsck manually. i decided to re-install the system using regular ext3 partitions which i did. however, now, i can't update my menus with smeg. smeg shows my old menus with the customizations i made but they aren't being saved.
[09:55] <looksaus> system boots lilo fine, and an initrd kernel
[09:55] <looksaus> but chokes after that
[09:55] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, ok  im gonna register at linuxquestions.org and try there too
[09:55] <looksaus> any suggestions to remedy this welcome
[09:55] <jasoncohen> i.e - when i exit smeg, the changes don't take affect. smeg used to use 100% cpu while it was updating the menus. now it doesnt' do that so I'm assuming it's doing nothing
[09:55] <Seveas> HappyFool, lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
[09:56] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: look here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/lists  or look at Seveas' URL
[09:57] <raven3x7> this is really weird... i have nvidia glx installed but in xorg.log it says it cant find the nvidia X driver...
[09:58] <knowledge_> damonw,
[09:58] <HappyFool> raven3x7: is the module loaded?
[09:58] <QaDeS_> hiyas
[09:58] <HappyFool> raven3x7: what does 'lsmod|grep ^nvidia' say ?
[09:58] <mjkelly93> HappyFool,  ok thanks again
[09:58] <knowledge_> the only thing I'm running into is something about "...to default locale: No such file or directory"
[09:58] <to|m> does there exist an equalizer for Rhythembox?
[09:58] <raven3x7> dunno... should have thought about that. it's nvidia-glx right?
[09:59] <HappyFool> raven3x7: the kernel module seems to be called simply 'nvidia'
[09:59] <QaDeS_> i just installed ubuntu as a server, but it didn't ask for a root password...is there a default or something?
[09:59] <jasoncohen> nevermind, apparently i just had to restart gnome
[09:59] <raven3x7> HappyFool,  nvidia               3923388  0
[10:00] <HappyFool> QaDeS_: ubuntu uses sudo; you can read about it here:
[10:00] <HappyFool> !sudo
[10:00] <ubotu> hmm... sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:00] <HappyFool> raven3x7: hmm
[10:00] <QaDeS_> o.O
[10:01] <raven3x7> HappyFool, the exact line (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[10:01] <HappyFool> raven3x7: what does 'dpkg -l nvidia-glx|tail -1' say ?
[10:02] <jtg> can anyone help with totem? get "could not read from resource" when trying to play dvd
[10:02] <raven3x7> HappyFool, ii  nvidia-glx     1.0.7174-0ubun NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver
[10:02] <ray_> i thought ubuntu used xorg
[10:03] <OdiiN> hoary
[10:03] <HappyFool> it does; that is evidently a generic driver. Mine says the same
[10:03] <raven3x7> ray_, hoary does
[10:03] <Arkainium> hmm.. anyone know if windows xp can be installed on an extended partition?
[10:03] <ray_> raven3x7, is xorg better?
[10:03] <HappyFool> raven3x7: it sounds like you've done all the right things
[10:03] <xry> how do i play WMV in ubuntu?
[10:03] <QaDeS_> ok, got it. so how do i install grub the easy way? :o>
[10:03] <ray_> xry, get the w32codecs
[10:04] <raven3x7> HappyFool, yeah i've done this before. first time on xorg though
[10:04] <xry> couldnt find the package
[10:04] <HappyFool> !restricted
[10:04] <ubotu> restricted is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:04] <raven3x7> ray_, xorg is newer and should have a lot of improvements
[10:04] <HappyFool> xry: read that URL -- should tell you how
[10:04] <ray_> xry, u need to add the backports to your apt list
[10:05] <koldun> hi there
[10:05] <HappyFool> QaDeS_: why do you need to install grub? You overwrote your mbr with windows?
[10:05] <ray_> xry, hold on i will copy and pastes what they are
[10:05] <knowledge_> So, anyone know wanna help me with yet another error?
[10:05] <koldun> i've got problem with fglrx_xgamma someone here how can help me
[10:05] <koldun> i've got problem with fglrx_xgamma
[10:06] <HappyFool> raven3x7: there are no other errors reported?
[10:06] <koldun> fglrx_xgamma: error while loading shared libraries: libfglrx_gamma.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:06] <ray_> koldun, what are you trying to do?
[10:06] <koldun>  <-- but fglrx-dev is installed and the shared object is in /usr/X11R6/lib/
[10:06] <koldun> and the driver works
[10:06] <raven3x7> HappyFool, no but let me check again
[10:07] <QaDeS_> HappyFool, naw, i just don't want to have lilo as my loader
[10:07] <koldun> fglrx sais that the card works
[10:07] <koldun> fglrxinfo
[10:07] <koldun> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[10:07] <koldun> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[10:07] <koldun> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9200 Series DDR Generic
[10:07] <koldun> OpenGL version string: 1.3.4769 (X4.3.0-8.8.25)
[10:07] <HappyFool> QaDeS_: um. i don't actually know how to install grub like that, but i guess something like 'apt-get install grub'
[10:07] <ray_> xry, deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[10:07] <ray_> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[10:07] <knowledge_> well, I'll just kick back and wait for someone to come up with time to help
[10:08] <QaDeS_> yea. alas, it doesn't automagically create the menu.lst :o/
[10:08] <HappyFool> QaDeS_: do you have some sort of custom install? ubuntu-base is dependent on grub, so you should have it
[10:08] <HappyFool> QaDeS_: ah
[10:08] <raven3x7> HappyFool, only found this warning (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory) and a couple more about fonts
[10:08] <HappyFool> QaDeS_: try 'update-grub'
[10:08] <QaDeS_> interesting...it booted from lilo o.O
[10:09] <QaDeS_> oh cool :oD txvm
[10:09] <ray_> xry, u got that?
[10:09] <xry> yes
[10:09] <HappyFool> QaDeS_: you'll also need to run 'install-grub /dev/hdXXXX' -- do be careful though ;) and don't screw up your hard-drives
[10:09] <xry> im downloading the package
[10:09] <HappyFool> raven3x7: hrm
[10:09] <koldun> can someone help me with this wicked fglrx_xgamma problem?
[10:09] <QaDeS_> we'll see ;)
[10:09] <koldun> sorry for paste
[10:10] <pax> # grub-install --root-directory=/boot   /dev/hda   (exemple)
[10:10] <ray_> xry, after u get that i would remove the backports from your apt list. some packages have caused me problems
[10:10] <Jeran> hi
[10:10] <pax> then # update-grub
[10:10] <ray_> hello
[10:10] <QaDeS_> ok *trying*
[10:11] <HappyFool> koldun: try 'LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/X11R6/lib flgrx_xgamma'
[10:11] <Kyral> anyone know how to escape a : on the command line?
[10:11] <HappyFool> knowledge_: it's usually best just to ask the question, regardless of how busy things are ;). What's the problem?
[10:12] <HappyFool> Kyral: \: ?
[10:12] <Kyral> Tried it
[10:12] <Kyral> mkdir Mobile\ Suit\ Gundam\:\ MS\ IGLOO
[10:12] <Kyral> mkdir: cannot create directory `Mobile Suit Gundam: MS IGLOO': Invalid argument
[10:12] <OdiiN> what settings needed for allow dcc resume downloads in konversation, i cant configure it propertly ( i use firestarter and i'm behind a router )
[10:12] <HappyFool> Kyral: is this maybe on a fat32 partition?
[10:12] <Kyral> yah :D
[10:12] <HappyFool> Kyral: i would guess colons can't be used there -- think C:
[10:13] <QaDeS> when i perform grub-install it tries to access my fd0 and xields an error :o/
[10:13] <Kyral> Fscking hell
[10:13] <HappyFool> QaDeS: did you see pax's command ?
[10:13] <Whistler> how can i change grub settings?
[10:13] <HappyFool> Whistler: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst  (probably what you want)
[10:13] <QaDeS> yea, that's whyt i tried to execute
[10:14] <HappyFool> QaDeS: what's the error?
[10:14] <QaDeS> ok, got it
[10:15] <QaDeS> --no-floppy did it :oD
[10:15] <pax> update-grub wont probably create a complete menu.list on a mulitiboot system, but it will enable you to boot into linux. then you can add your other operating system to menu.list
[10:15] <Kyral> oyah, because I could set the umask and uid easy :D
[10:15] <raven3x7> brb
[10:15] <memin> Hello people
[10:15] <QaDeS> tyvm pax and HappyFool
[10:15] <xry> what about mplayer? which source can i get that from?
[10:15] <koldun> HappyFool, thank you it works well
[10:15] <koldun> :)
[10:16] <memin> Has anybody try to make a cutomized bootable cd fom ubuntu?
[10:16] <carambol> add multiverse to ur repo
[10:16] <carambol> xry
[10:16] <HappyFool> koldun: you can add that path to /etc/ld.so.conf and then run 'sudo ldconfig' so that you don't need to do that LD_LIB..= thing everytime
[10:17] <imaek> I have a nVidia GeForce 6600, and when I was installing ubuntu, it asked me what resolutions my video card could handle.  I left it at the defaults, and now I am stuck with the highest resolution being 1024x768, which is too small.  Now, I tried "sudo apt-reconfigure xserver-xorg", but every time I do that and restart XServer, I get my monitor informing me that something is out of sync.  Is there any surefire way to just add 1
[10:17] <imaek>  resolution?
[10:17] <knowledge_> HappyFool, is it possible to post a few lines of an error message?
[10:17] <HappyFool> knowledge_: on a pastebin, preferably
[10:17] <HappyFool> knowledge_:  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:18] <koldun> cool thank you HappyFool
[10:18] <xry> carambol: but i did :(
[10:18] <QaDeS> umm...could it be grub doesn't support xfs boot partitions?
[10:18] <xry> cant find the package
[10:18] <knowledge_> HappyFool, ok, done
[10:18] <OdiiN> imaek:  check if in /etc/X11/xorg.conf , the horitzontal and vertical sync of your monitor are configured propertly
[10:18] <HappyFool> QaDeS: there's a 'xfs_stage1_5' in my /boot/grub, so i think it (probably?) should
[10:19] <carambol> apt-get install mplayer-386 mozilla-mplayer mplayer-fonts
[10:19] <ray_> xry, get xine-ui
[10:20] <imaek> OdiiN: they are right now, but it is working in 1024x768 right now.
[10:20] <jtg> Hi, I need a hand with Totem to play DVDs any offers
[10:20] <knowledge_> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/624 <---that's my problem
[10:20] <HappyFool> knowledge_: i think this might be fixable using dpkg-reconfigure
[10:20] <HappyFool> knowledge_: hold on just a sec
[10:20] <knowledge_> ok
[10:20] <koldun> Thank you for the help
[10:20] <koldun> cu
[10:21] <leroj> hallo pmMike
[10:21] <xry> the package xine-ui doesn't have a installationcandidate
[10:21] <imaek> OdiiN: I also added "1280x1024" to the Modes section for each depth, but that choice isn't in System -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution
[10:21] <robotgeek> jtg: why don't you use vlc?
[10:22] <ray_> xry, really? did u uncomment the universe
[10:22] <OdiiN> imaek:  you want to set up at 800x600 ?
[10:22] <jtg> robotgeek: I just started with Ubuntu and Totamis the
[10:22] <HappyFool> knowledge_: hmm. ok, i'm not 100%, but i think what you need to do is generate the files for your locale
[10:23] <imaek> OdiiN: no, I'd like something Larger than 1024x768 (like 1280x1024)
[10:23] <jorgp> is it possible to convert kubuntu back to ubuntu?
[10:23] <HappyFool> knowledge_: to do this, run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locals'
[10:23] <kdp> how would i configure my modem through the Network settings menu if it was connected to PCI slot 2?
[10:23] <QaDeS> to be prepared for my notebook isntall...will ubuntu support 1280x800 out of the box? or recognize it after the nvidia install?
[10:23] <HappyFool> knowledge_: to do this, run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales'
[10:23] <crimsun> jorgp: install ubuntu-desktop
[10:23] <jtg> robotgeek: sorry Totem is the default viewer. It recognises the dvd but I get a "could notread fromresource" error
[10:24] <HappyFool> knowledge_: you'll get one helluva list -- find en_US.UTF-8 and make sure it's selected
[10:24] <jorgp> I want to switch to gnome instead of kde
[10:24] <ray_> jorgp, dont like kubuntu?
[10:24] <kdp> the autodetect function says it cant find the modem
[10:24] <xry> ray_: i found it now
[10:24] <xry> what now?
[10:24] <robotgeek> jtg: do u have the libdvdcss library, i am not sure if that is what's it called!
[10:24] <ray_> xry, it should work
[10:24] <poningru> hey who do I contact about the bounties?
[10:24] <knowledge_> HappyFool, "locals is not installed"
[10:24] <jorgp> ray_: no
[10:24] <HappyFool> knowledge_: yeah, i made an error
[10:24] <HappyFool> knowledge_: locales
[10:25] <ray_> jorgp, why not..... just curious
[10:25] <HappyFool> poningru: isn't there a web-site for those?
[10:25] <knowledge_> HappyFool, "locales is broken or not fully installed"
[10:25] <HappyFool> knowledge_: erk
[10:25] <knowledge_> uh huh
[10:25] <HappyFool> knowledge_: you're running hoary?
[10:25] <jtg> robotgeek:I've got the gstreamstuff, I'll check on libdvdcss, hang on ...
[10:25] <jorgp> my wife likes gnome better, and kde just seems unfinished
[10:25] <knowledge_> yup
[10:25] <HappyFool> knowledge_: default install
[10:25] <knowledge_> uh huh
[10:25] <HappyFool> knowledge_: err, that was a question ;) -- the default install ?
[10:25] <HappyFool> ok
[10:26] <ray_> yeah kde needs some tweaking
[10:26] <jorgp> ray_: but all I had at the time was a kubuntu cd
[10:26] <jorgp> ray_: and have been waiting on ubuntu cd's for about 6 weeks
[10:26] <knowledge_> HappyFool, yeah, default install
[10:26] <amortal_mistake> anybody ever have a problem where nxclient(freeNX) just shows up as a blank xmessage with an ok box?
[10:26] <ray_> jorgp, yeah ne too!
[10:26] <jorgp> ray_: so I wanted to convert this kubuntu to ubuntu, I heard the gnome desktop is nice
[10:27] <HappyFool> knowledge_: um. let's try 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo aptitude reinstall locales'  and see if that works
[10:27] <Jeran> Any idea on how long the CD's might take to get to the USA?
[10:27] <xry> ray_: i want to play WMV in Firefox
[10:27] <xry> what to do?
[10:27] <knowledge_> HappyFool, how would I be able to save my settings and installed programs but reinstall the base system so all these files can be included
[10:27] <ray_> xry, it still doesnt?
[10:27] <HappyFool> knowledge_: um. i'm not following what you want to do
[10:28] <jorgp> Jeran: it's been 6 weeks here Oklahoma
[10:28] <jtg> robotgeek: mmmmm doesnt look like it is there?
[10:28] <knowledge_> reinstall ubuntu, but keep all my settings and progs
[10:28] <xry> firefox says: additional plugins needs to install
[10:28] <HappyFool> knowledge_: hmm. not very easy. you could try backing up your home directory and /etc, but that tends to be messy
[10:28] <xry> and if i try manual install, it sends me to microsoft.com
[10:29] <sJaM> you can do with most packages
[10:29] <sJaM> apt-get install --reinstall
[10:29] <HappyFool> knowledge_: if you really want to reinstall, i'd backup only your user data (pictures, mail, blah blah) and reinstall and then reconfigure/restore user data
[10:29] <toolaphial> xry: install mplayer with win32 codecs
[10:29] <ray_> xry, sudo apt-get install mozilla-plugin-vlc
[10:29] <xry> but i can't find the mplayer codec
[10:29] <carambol> xry you need w32 codecs
[10:29] <knowledge_> I see
[10:29] <xry> i have w32codecs
[10:29] <ray_> yeah either get mplayer or use mozilla-plugin-vlc
[10:29] <lin_> Question about muddleftp................
[10:30] <carine_> hello! :) can someone help me please I have a serious problem with my external hard drive. I am a complete newbie I don't know what to do
[10:30] <benplaut> carine_: what's thew problem? :)
[10:31] <knowledge_> HappyFool, locales is not currently installed, so it will not be reinstalled.
[10:31] <HappyFool> knowledge_: ok, 'sudo aptitude install locales'
[10:31] <carine_> hi :) I installed my external hard drive and at the beggining I didn't have any problems. In fact ubuntu recognised it. Now it doesn't allow me to modify files and folders
[10:32] <knowledge_> I see....
[10:32] <ray_> permissions
[10:32] <carine_> the problems started a week after using it
[10:32] <HappyFool> knowledge_: that's pretty weird - libc6 dependent on locales
[10:32] <knowledge_> HappyFool, can I use that pastebin thingy again?
[10:32] <sJaM> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[10:32] <Jeran> Is Ubuntu a good thing to use when trying to switch from Windows to Linux?
[10:32] <HappyFool> knowledge_: sure
[10:32] <ray_> yes it is a very good thing
[10:32] <HappyFool> knowledge_: something is screwy with your system
[10:32] <knowledge_> of course, it's just my luck
[10:32] <knowledge_> Mandrake..!?....mann that os sucked on ANY of my computers
[10:33] <ray_> xry, did it work
[10:33] <HappyFool> carine_: you probably need to tweak /etc/fstab
[10:33] <knowledge_> then I switched to this, and it's a helluva lot better
[10:33] <Jeran> is Ubuntu 'Laptop' safe?
[10:33] <jorgp> how is breezy coming along?
[10:33] <ray_> i hate mandrake
[10:33] <HappyFool> carine_: maybe you can paste your current /etc/fstab here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:33] <carine_> okay one minute
[10:33] <jorgp> Jeran: I dont think ubuntu will prevent someone from stealing your laptop
[10:33] <knowledge_> HappyFool, posted on pastebin
[10:34] <HappyFool> knowledge_: it's busy loading
[10:34] <HappyFool> knowledge_: erm
[10:34] <knowledge_> oh
[10:34] <knowledge_> {singing} telll me something gooodd....
[10:34] <ray_> Jeran, an even better choice if coming from windows is kubuntu
[10:35] <Jeran> jorgp: I mean will it work on my laptop? I know some version of linux don't like laptops.. I don't think ubuntu is going to eletrify my laptop and make it zap everyone, except me, that touch it :-P
[10:35] <xry> thanks
[10:35] <HappyFool> knowledge_: what does 'dpkg -l "glibc*"|grep ^ii' say ?
[10:35] <ray_> xry, it worked?
[10:35] <knowledge_> HappyFool, nothing
[10:35] <jorgp> Jeran: will it works perfectly on my laptop
[10:36] <HappyFool> knowledge_: um, ok, how about 'dpkg -l "libc6"|tail -1'  ?
[10:36] <jorgp> ray_: what do you like about kubuntu?
[10:36] <knowledge_> ohh, wait....do I have to uninstall those packs? because I think I installed the newest libc6.....but I forgot what it was for
[10:36] <knowledge_> oh yeah, my fan control on my lappy toppy
[10:37] <HappyFool> knowledge_: how did you upgrade libc6?
[10:37] <knowledge_> ii  libc6          2.3.5-1ubuntu7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
[10:37] <knowledge_> just installed the newest package
[10:37] <ray_> jorgp, it looks better and you can use sound in multiple apps... better control...menu control etc
[10:37] <HappyFool> knowledge_: oh my
[10:37] <HappyFool> knowledge_: you've got breezy libc6 ?
[10:37] <robotgeek_> jtg, sorry...back now
[10:37] <knowledge_> oh goody...that's always a good reaction
[10:37] <knowledge_> I have no clue happy
[10:37] <elmagozizou> does anyone use mplayer with nvidia drives installed?
[10:37] <HappyFool> knowledge_: i'm not sure how you should proceed
[10:38] <ray_> i use it with fglrx
[10:38] <knowledge_> can I msg you?
[10:38] <HappyFool> knowledge_: sure
[10:38] <carine_> here is my etc/fstab http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/626
[10:38] <raven3x7> HappyFool, i ran a dpkg-reconfigure. the error in the log is gone but i still get a black screen. no errors reported!
[10:38] <HappyFool> carine_: hmm -- your external drive is usb?
[10:38] <carine_> yes
[10:39] <QaDeS> yay, it's bootin :oD
[10:39] <robotgeek_> jtg, libdvdcss2  is the name of the debian package
[10:40] <robotgeek_> jtg, oops..ubuntu :)
[10:40] <Jeran> I'm looking at the screenshots and so far I like what I see
[10:40] <mitch528> hi
[10:41] <HappyFool> raven3x7: sorry, i'm more-or-less out of ideas. i think you may be stuck with nv drivers for now. I can only point you to ubuntuforums and the mailing lists
[10:41] <raven3x7> elmagozizou, are you getting a signal 11 from audio_decode
[10:41] <mitch528> Can anyone help me setup a FTP SERVER on ubuntu?
[10:42] <robotgeek_> mitch528, sure...
[10:42] <HappyFool> carine_: sorry, i'm kind of multitasking here
[10:42] <raven3x7> HappyFool, thanks for the try. will sent a mail to the list
[10:42] <elmagozizou> #5 raven3x7 , what do you mean?
[10:42] <robotgeek_> mitch528, sudo apt-get install ftpd
[10:42] <HappyFool> carine_: can you plug the drive in (if it isn't) and paste output of the command 'mount' to the pastebin? the /etc/fstab was a red herring, my apologies
[10:42] <apollo2011> I have a Dell Inspiron 8600 and I installed Ubuntu on it and used ndiswrapper to get the broadcom card working and Ubuntu froze when I ejected it from the dock without going into standby or turning off and now I can't boot it.
[10:42] <robotgeek_> mitch528, and done!
[10:42] <mitch528> thank you rpbotgeek
[10:43] <mitch528> robotgeek*
[10:43] <raven3x7> im getting that with nv drivers during dvd playback. didnt get it with the vesa ones
[10:43] <robotgeek_> mitch528, no probs :)
[10:43] <mitch528> robotgeek it says Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock     and some other stuff....
[10:44] <robotgeek_> mitch528, are you root?? "sudo apt-get install ftpd"
[10:44] <carine_> okay, one minute
[10:44] <mitch528> i have sudo privlages
[10:44] <OdiiN> what settings are needed for allow dcc resume downloads in konversation, i can't configure it propertly ( i use firestarter and i'm behind a router )
[10:44] <kbrooks> ftpd is insecure
[10:44] <kbrooks> mitch528, close down synaptic
[10:44] <carine_> here it is: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/627
[10:44] <mitch528> ok
[10:44] <mitch528> done
[10:45] <carine_> and there's no problem, happyfool. take your time :)
[10:45] <mitch528> now it says Couldn't find package ftpd
[10:45] <robotgeek_> kbrooks, is pro-ftpd a better choice?
[10:45] <spiral> vsftpd
[10:45] <kbrooks> robotgeek_, yes
[10:45] <kbrooks> spiral, no
[10:46] <spiral> kbrooks: even kernel.org uses it
[10:46] <mitch528> ok
[10:46] <HappyFool> carine_: ok. what is the output of 'id -u' (not run as root) ? It looks like the device is being 'given' to the user with uid 1000, which is the first user created (during install, probably)
[10:46] <DukGalNamu> hey all, is there a video player that can run without x?
[10:46] <tfort> anyone here using point2play or cedega?
[10:46] <ray_> mplayer
[10:46] <ray_> maybe
[10:46] <mitch528> when i try to connect to myself it says this ftp server is anonymous only Login Failed.
[10:46] <robotgeek_> mitch528, are you configuring a ftp server for ur laptop or so?
[10:46] <mitch528> laptop
[10:46] <DukGalNamu> i think mplayer needs x...
[10:47] <crimsun> mplayer can output to framebuffer
[10:47] <DukGalNamu> framebuffer?
[10:47] <crimsun> directfb
[10:47] <robotgeek_> mitch528, one sec...lemme pull up my conf
[10:47] <mitch528> ok.
[10:47] <ray_> why dont you want it to play in x
[10:47] <carine_> HappyFool: I have no idea what Id-u is. my username for my ubuntu installation is carine
[10:47] <DukGalNamu> its not i am just wondering if i can run entirely by command line, including media...
[10:48] <HappyFool> carine_: 'id -u' is a command to run in the terminal -- like mount
[10:48] <carine_> ooh ok. let me check :)
[10:48] <HappyFool> carine_: however, don't open a 'Root terminal' -- just a normal one
[10:48] <DukGalNamu> crimsun: so i CAN play mplayer without x?
[10:48] <crimsun> DukGalNamu: yes, you just need to use a version of mplayer compiled with directfb support enabled
[10:48] <carine_> id -u is: 0
[10:48] <robotgeek_> mitch528, edit the /etc/ftpusers file
[10:49] <DukGalNamu> crimsun: COOL
[10:49] <mitch528> ok
[10:50] <robotgeek_> mitch528, and make sure it has root, ftp, and anonymous (in 3 lines)
[10:50] <ksmurf> hello all
[10:50] <HappyFool> carine_: that's root. Can you start a terminal with 'Applications -> System tools -> Terminal' and run it that way
[10:50] <mitch528> ok
[10:50] <QaDeS> wasn't there some ubuntu-extra archive or something like that?
[10:50] <mitch528> i cant edit it. It is read only
[10:50] <robotgeek_> mitch528, sudo :)
[10:50] <HappyFool> QaDeS: yeah, 'backports'
[10:50] <mitch528> ok
[10:50] <HappyFool> !backports
[10:50] <ubotu> backports is at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org; also, Do not use the backports for day to day usage!
[10:51] <robotgeek_> !backports
[10:51] <carine_> ok id -u is: 1000
[10:51] <robotgeek_> !repositories
[10:51] <ubotu> methinks repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:51] <HappyFool> carine_: hrm
[10:51] <ksmurf> this may sound stupid but can someone please do a SuperWhois on me
[10:51] <crimsun> "superwhois"?
[10:52] <QaDeS> okay *trying*
[10:52] <Will_> tor!
[10:52] <carine_> hmm?
[10:52] <HappyFool> carine_: oh, that has a funny umask
[10:52] <ksmurf> thanks
[10:52] <HappyFool> carine_: have you changed any settings? I'm not even sure where that would be set...
[10:52] <amortal_mistake> error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:52] <ubuntu> hello
[10:52] <robotgeek_> mitch528, works fine?
[10:53] <ksmurf> I wanted to make sure it was working
[10:53] <mitch528> hold on... still changing the file
[10:53] <elmagozizou> Playing Deftones - 7 Words.mpeg.
[10:53] <elmagozizou> MPEG-PS file format detected.
[10:53] <elmagozizou> VIDEO:  MPEG1  352x240  (aspect 12)  29,970 fps  1150,0 kbps (143,8 kbyte/s)
[10:53] <elmagozizou> [10:53] <elmagozizou> Trying to force audio codec driver family libmad...
[10:53] <elmagozizou> Opening audio decoder: [libmad]  libmad mpeg audio decoder
[10:53] <elmagozizou> AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, 16 bit (0x10), ratio: 28000->176400 (224,0 kbit)
[10:53] <HappyFool> carine_: no, sorry, 077 is right. If that mount output is right, you should be able to right to the disk
[10:53] <ubuntu> I need to install ubuntu over an existing installation, but keep one of the directories completely untouched (/backup)
[10:53] <elmagozizou> Selected audio codec: [mad]  afm:libmad (libMAD MPEG layer 1-2-3)
[10:53] <ubuntu> possible?
[10:53] <elmagozizou> [10:53] <ubuntu> well?
[10:53] <ubuntu> IS IT!?
[10:53] <elmagozizou> vo: X11 running at 1152x864 with depth 24 and 32 bpp (":0.0" => local display)
[10:53] <elmagozizou> [10:53] <elmagozizou> Opening video decoder: [mpegpes]  MPEG 1/2 Video passthrough
[10:53] <elmagozizou> VDec: vo config request - 352 x 240 (preferred csp: Mpeg PES)
[10:53] <elmagozizou> Could not find matching colorspace - retrying with -vf scale...
[10:53] <elmagozizou> Opening video filter: [scale] 
[10:53] <elmagozizou> The selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec.
[10:53] <elmagozizou> VDecoder init failed :(
[10:53] <HappyFool> sigh
[10:53] <elmagozizou> Opening video decoder: [libmpeg2]  MPEG 1/2 Video decoder libmpeg2-v0.4.0b
[10:53] <ubuntu> elmagozizou, paste that shit somewhere else
[10:53] <ed1t> yoooo
[10:53] <elmagozizou> Selected video codec: [mpeg12]  vfm:libmpeg2 (MPEG 1 or 2 (libmpeg2))
[10:53] <ubuntu> sheet
[10:53] <carine_> I haven't changed anything on it..that's why it's so strange. it worked for a week then I started having these problems
[10:53] <ubuntu> I need to install ubuntu over an existing installation, but keep one of the directories completely untouched (/backup)
[10:54] <ubuntu> is that possible?!
[10:54] <crimsun> elmagozizou: please use the topic pastebin or #flood for floods
[10:54] <carine_> when I switch it on, it's okay. If I touch certain files, i can't modify anything afterwards :-/
[10:54] <ubuntu> fuck it
[10:54] <ubuntu> I guess I'll find out
[10:54] <mitch528> it still does not work.
[10:54] <HappyFool> carine_: in the normal terminal window, what does 'touch /media/sdb1/temp' say ?
[10:54] <robotgeek_> mitch528, what does it say??
[10:54] <ed1t> ubuntu, why dont u just copy those files into CD or something
[10:54] <ubuntu> I'll just blame you all if /backups gets deleted
[10:54] <highvolt1ge> ubuntu: yes, it is possible.
[10:54] <ubuntu> ed1t, the damn cd burner won't work
[10:54] <ed1t> lol
[10:54] <mitch528> it says only anonymous can access ftp when i ftp my ip address...
[10:54] <elmagozizou> whatts that, i cant use this program very well
[10:54] <ubuntu> because the current linux installation won't boot
[10:55] <highvolt1ge> delete everything except /backups, then choose to keep existing data when you install
[10:55] <ubuntu> because I broke slackware trying to get the damn cd burner to work in the first place
[10:55] <carine_> it says: touch: cannot touch `/media/sdb1/temp': Read-only file system
[10:55] <ed1t> ubuntu, how big is that directory?
[10:55] <giant> you can boot off of live cd and use cdrecord to burn them
[10:55] <ubuntu> 40 gig
[10:55] <mitch528> when i have my name in /etc/ftpusers
[10:55] <ed1t> damn
[10:55] <highvolt1ge> yes, just remove everything except /backup, or fix the existing system with a live CD
[10:55] <ubuntu> ed1t, all VERY important stuff (work related code, documents, etc)
[10:55] <highvolt1ge> ubuntu: just don't be impatient. 90%+ of all data is lost because people try quick fixes.
[10:56] <ubuntu> yeah...
[10:56] <robotgeek_> mitch528, don't put your name in that...all users in that file are disallowed access
[10:56] <Belutz> !grub
[10:56] <ubotu> rumour has it, grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[10:56] <mitch528> ok
[10:56] <bimberi> ubuntu: how about backup it up across a network to another machine?
[10:56] <giant> is /backup a seperate partition?
[10:56] <candrodor> (Psst, I think s/he means "separate")
[10:56] <DukGalNamu> crimsun: i have my own channel, but occasionally my internet goes down and i have to rejoin and i lose my op status, how do i get it back?
[10:56] <bimberi> *backing
[10:56] <GeffDE> Is the apple airport express card support in hoary hedgehog?
[10:57] <ubuntu> anyway, before slackware I used debian, and had it configured perfectly... I am assuming that ubuntu will let me install without the bullshit? I don't have time to spend the whole neext week getting linux working right
[10:57] <crimsun> DukGalNamu: configure chanserv settings for your channel
[10:57] <mitch528> ok i did that but it still says this ftp server is anonymous only.
[10:57] <ubuntu> bimberi, across what network? This is a home PC! :P
[10:57] <mitch528> Login Failed.
[10:57] <robotgeek_> GeffDE, i think not
[10:57] <Jon> hi all, I have a hoary liveCD and powerCD burnt from the ISOs on the web (powerpc versions). Try as I might, I cannot for the life of me get an ibook g4 to boot from them. I've tried various key combos that I've read about on the web to no avail. any suggestions?
[10:57] <DukGalNamu> crimsun: where can i go to learn how to configure the settings?
[10:57] <robotgeek_> mitch528, weird
[10:57] <HappyFool> carine_: how about the same command in the 'root terminal' ?
[10:57] <crimsun> DukGalNamu: /msg ChanServ help
[10:57] <bimberi> ubuntu: k (I came in late on this )
[10:57] <ubuntu> bimberi, are you suggesting I transfer 40 gigs of data to some remote ftp?
[10:57] <HappyFool> carambol: the one where you ran 'mount' earlier
[10:57] <ubuntu> when I want to just get my computer working within 4 hours?
[10:58] <DukGalNamu> crimsun: and can i register my channel, so that it doesn't close when nobody is there?
[10:58] <Belutz> anybody, i use dual boot, how do i set the grub to be booting to windows by default ?
[10:58] <guerrero> jon...what tool did you use to burn the cds?
[10:58] <ubuntu> Heh... I just want the damn thing to work :)
[10:58] <Jon> Belutz: put the windows option above the linux ones
[10:58] <Jon> Belutz: nautilus
[10:58] <HappyFool> carine_: err, that was for you
[10:58] <NavYBarT> how do i fix the nvidia problem with ubuntu?
[10:58] <Jon> erm,
[10:58] <Jon> guerrero: Nautilus
[10:58] <crimsun> DukGalNamu: look at the link I gave you. These questions are better in #freenode.
[10:58] <carambol> HappyFool: ???
[10:58] <kdp> does anyone have experience with modems?
[10:58] <carine_> okay
[10:58] <Belutz> Jon: thx :)
[10:58] <HappyFool> carambol: sorry, tab-completion error
[10:58] <DukGalNamu> crimsun: ok thanks :)
[10:58] <carambol> ok
[10:58] <Jon> guerrero: the thought had crossed my mind that something has prevented the CD's boot magic from working, but it seems unlikely. any idea how I might check though?
[10:59] <Jon> Belutz: np
[10:59] <mitch528> robotgeek, what do i do then?
[10:59] <guerrero> Jon...I had problems downloading images from the websites...bad checksums...only using bittorrent did I get a good image that installed clean
[10:59] <Will_>  If I can use irc in ubuntu, then I can ask questions about it in here!
[10:59] <Jon> guerrero: hmm I'll check the checksums, brb
[10:59] <guerrero> jon...do other bootable cds work?
[10:59] <carine_> @ happyfool: it says "bash: /media/sdb1/temp: No such file or directory"
[10:59] <NavYBarT> can anymore help me i got a nvidia card and cant seem to get a better resolution
[10:59] <HappyFool> carine_: hmm
[10:59] <guerrero> i have ubuntu installed on my G3 ibook from the hoary iso..but I burnt in windows with burnatonce
[10:59] <Jon> guerrero: I'm not sure. I do  recall booting a different ubuntu live CD in the past, but I don't have any others to hand
[10:59] <HappyFool> carine_: what does 'mount|grep /dev/sdb1' say ? it sounds like the drive's been disconnected
[11:00] <benkong2> hey anybody got cyrus-sasl for ubuntu noe of the mirrors i use have it.
[11:00] <Belutz> anybody knows the meaning of "WIT" suffix after the date time? eg: 16 July 2005, 22:22:22 WIT
[11:00] <carine_> hmm it can't be disconnected I'm listening to music which is stored in it... but let me try one sec
[11:00] <ray_> carine_, BROKEN DRIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:00] <benkong2> Belutz, hmmm usually that is the time zone like EST CST etc.
[11:00] <NavYBarT> can anymore help me i got a nvidia card and cant seem to get a better resolution ???
[11:00] <Jon> guerrero: ok the checksums match for the ISOs, but I'll try summing the devices too
[11:01] <HappyFool> carine_: oh, hang on
[11:01] <carine_> please don't say that! :( :( :(
[11:01] <HappyFool> carine_: you miseed the 'touch' bit
[11:01] <djp> ok, quick question. does this make any sense. i needed to mount a floppy disk formatted by my partner on an xp machine. when i tried to mount it under gnome it would not let me. i have altered my /etc/fstab to show auto,vfat instead of just auto. now it mounts. is that the correct alteration to make to my /etc/fstab file ? can somebody who knows let me know?
[11:01] <guerrero> Jon, good idea...a lot of people have complained of bad checksums on the devices vs isos
[11:01] <HappyFool> carine_: 'touch /media/sdb1/temp'
[11:01] <robotgeek_> mitch528, one sec...pastebin coming up!
[11:01] <carine_> oh! my mistake..let me try again
[11:01] <mitch528> ok
[11:01] <NavYBarT> can anymore help me i got a nvidia card and cant seem to get a better resolution ??? anyone?
[11:01] <sJaM> yes djp it seems that vfat isn't included with auto
[11:01] <Jon> NavYBarT: what driver are you using
[11:01] <Belutz> benkong2: ok
[11:01] <carine_> ok it says "touch: cannot touch `/media/sdb1/temp': Read-only file system"
[11:02] <Jon> guerrero: ok. macos seems happy enough to sum the device, will return when it's done :)
[11:02] <sJaM> I have that problem also
[11:02] <sJaM> well
[11:02] <d_i> Good evening everyone :)
[11:02] <sJaM> when I use floppies
[11:02] <Belutz> what's the best cd/dvd burning app for ubuntu?
[11:02] <sJaM> once in a year
[11:02] <benkong2> Belutz, go here for the meaning http://www.worldtimezone.com/wtz-names/wtz-wit.html
[11:02] <djp> sJaM: thanks. is that the only file system or do i need to add any others?
[11:02] <robotgeek_> mitch528, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/628
[11:02] <NavYBarT> its a riva128 card and i just now installed ubuntu
[11:02] <sJaM> graveman is nice Belutz
[11:02] <mitch528> kk
[11:02] <benkong2> Belutz, I like kb3 its a KDE app
[11:02] <Jon> Belutz: I'd use the nautilus built-in burner for most things
[11:02] <sJaM> sudo apt-get install graveman
[11:02] <ubuntu> how do i INSTALL FROM THE LIVE CD?
[11:02] <HappyFool> carine_: hmm. can you quickly run 'mount|grep /dev/sdb1' and tell me what that says?
[11:02] <robotgeek_> mitch528, also try a sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:02] <crimsun> ubuntu: you can't.
[11:02] <HappyFool> ubuntu: you can't install from the live cd
[11:03] <ubuntu> oh
[11:03] <carine_> @happyfool: the other thing says: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/629
[11:03] <benkong2> hey anybody got cyrus-sasl for ubuntu noe of the mirrors i use have it. anybody got some extra repos?
[11:03] <Jon> NavYBarT: yes, but what driver?
[11:03] <ubuntu> so pop the other one ine?
[11:03] <sJaM> djp don't think so
[11:03] <Belutz> benkong2: is it ok to use KDE app in Gnome?
[11:03] <Jon> Belutz: yes
[11:03] <Jowi> goooodevening all
[11:03] <carine_> that is from root. or should I do the normal terminal for that one?
[11:03] <benkong2> Belutz, Waktu Indonesia Timur is what WIT means I use KDE
[11:03] <mitch528> ok
[11:03] <HappyFool> carine_: that's fine
[11:03] <Jon> Belutz: integration (e.g. drag and drop) might not work properly, but otherwise there's nothing stopping you
[11:04] <Belutz> Jon: ic
[11:04] <NavYBarT> jon i am not sure
[11:04] <djp> sJaM: like you say, i wouldn't have ever noticed this, as i don't use flopies much at all anymore! ;)
[11:04] <carine_> ok
[11:04] <HappyFool> carine_: somehow the drive has become read-only, though mount thinks it's still read-write (that's what the 'rw' after vfat means)
[11:04] <Belutz> benkong2: hmmm so it's a bug then, i set my time zone into Asia/Jakarta and it says 'WIT' it's suppose to be 'WIB = Waktu Indonesia Barat' (West Indonesian Time)
[11:04] <zerboxx> If I just apt-get'd xfce4, what do I do to use it, and to set is as the default wm?
[11:04] <carine_> yes. it is read-write sometimes. and once i touch particular folders it becomes read only
[11:04] <benkong2> Belutz, not sure about that one I believe you would need kde
[11:05] <Belutz> Timur = East
[11:05] <HappyFool> carine_: hmm. which folders?
[11:05] <Jon> NavYBarT: ok. erm, try looking at /etc/X11/xorg.conf - does it say 'nv' or 'nvidia' (ry searching through the file for 'nv')?
[11:05] <Maddy> n8
[11:05] <guerrero> NavYBarT, in the '
[11:05] <robotgeek_> mitch528, works??
[11:05] <guerrero> device' section
[11:05] <benkong2> Belutz, hmmm...check that site maybe you can get the correct zone
[11:05] <carine_> I transfered some music folders. I think 3-4 of them cause that. In addition ubuntu created a wastebin on the drive. i can't retrieve or delete anything from it either
[11:05] <Belutz> maybe i should try gnomebaker
[11:06] <ubuntu> I just wont forma
[11:06] <ubuntu> *format
[11:06] <ubuntu> wish me luck
[11:06] <poningru> Belutz: the best is k3b
[11:06] <ubuntu> if /backups gets removed
[11:06] <ubuntu> I'm a dead man
[11:06] <carine_> it's very strange
[11:06] <zerboxx> How do I set up xfce4 as the default wm (and how do I start using it once I d/l it?)
[11:06] <ubuntu> my life as i know it will come to an end
[11:06] <poningru> zerboxx: once you set it up
[11:06] <benkong2> Belutz, same site shows that to be a valid time zone
[11:06] <zerboxx> poningru: how do I do that?
[11:06] <carine_> the files that cause problems refuse to be deleted as well :-/ when i try the drive becomes read only
[11:06] <guerrero> ubuntu maybe you should backup to cd or dvd first
[11:06] <poningru> you can choose it in the login screen
[11:06] <poningru> zerboxx: use synaptic
[11:06] <Jon> guerrero: argh looks like a bad checksum - good call
[11:07] <NavYBarT> jon it says nv
[11:07] <ubuntu> guerrero, 40 gigs?
[11:07] <zerboxx> poningru: I used synaptic to d/l it, but now what?
[11:07] <guerrero> ubuntu, triage :-)
[11:07] <poningru> if its installed then you should restart
[11:07] <Jon> NavYBarT: ok, that's the open source nvidia driver. it only supports 2D and is slower. you can get it to crank out higher resolutions than the default, but you may want to move to the proprietry nvidia driver
[11:07] <trevor> how do you install kde-3.4 on kde, apt-get install kde gives me ALOT of packages, is that what I want or do i need to do something different?
[11:07] <HappyFool> carine_: my last idea is this: can you paste the output of 'dmesg|tail -30' to the pastebin ?
[11:07] <Jon> NavYBarT: I can't help you with that (haven't even installed ubuntu properly yet:-) ) but hopefully that helps
[11:07] <trevor> err, not "on kde" i mean on ubuntu
[11:07] <ubuntu> guerrero, the whole point of installing ubuntu is because I couldnt get my cd burner working in slackware, and when I upgraded the kernel to use ATAPI, i rendered my system un-bootable
[11:07] <poningru> and when it asks for your username and password there is an option to change the thing
[11:07] <benkong2> trevor, that's what you want if you want kde
[11:07] <ubuntu> and unuseable
[11:08] <poningru> zerboxx: did you get that?
[11:08] <benkong2> do you want kbuntu?
[11:08] <Belutz> benkong2: WIT is a valid time zone for Eastern Indonesia, not for western Indonesia, eastern indonesia is GMT+9 while western indonesia is GMT+7
[11:08] <trevor> benkong2: ok thanks, is kubuntu the same as ubuntu but with kde instead of gnome?
[11:08] <ubuntu> rm -rf /usr
[11:08] <zerboxx> poningru: just restart?
[11:08] <ubuntu> rm -rf /opt
[11:08] <ubuntu> rm -rf /home
[11:08] <Jon> ubuntu, use a liveCD then do the backup
[11:08] <ubuntu> rm -rf /var
[11:08] <benkong2> trevor, yes
[11:08] <ubuntu> whoops...
[11:08] <trevor> ok. thanks.
[11:08] <ubuntu> Jon, can I burn from the live cd?
[11:08] <mitch528> robotgeek i am still working on it
[11:08] <carine_> ok
[11:08] <poningru> zerboxx: do you know the screen when it asks for your username and password?
[11:08] <guerrero> ubuntu, I dont recall exactly, but I think you have the option of leavign the target filesystem intact...but just in case..maybe you can resize your partitions and install on a separate parttion first
[11:08] <Jon> ubuntu: I expect so yes
[11:08] <zerboxx> poningru: yeah
[11:08] <mitch528> robotgeek i am still working on it
[11:08] <Jon> ubuntu: oh wait hmm, there might be a issue of drive logicistics; )
[11:09] <ubuntu> Jon, you think?
[11:09] <pgidz> ubuntu have you got /home as a seperate partition
[11:09] <candrodor> (Psst, I think s/he means "separate")
[11:09] <poningru> in that screen there is a button that when pressed allows you to change your wm
[11:09] <Jon> ubuntu: not guaranteed though. a chroot on a ramdisk ro something... still not straightforward
[11:09] <ubuntu> pgavin, no
[11:09] <guerrero> yury...the OCF...wow that's still around .
[11:09] <ubuntu> but boot is
[11:09] <Jon> ubuntu: whatever you end up doing, I'd suggest revising your backup strategy afterwards
[11:09] <ubuntu> but /boot is small
[11:09] <carine_> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/630
[11:09] <Belutz> benkong2: should i report it as a bug to ubuntu ?
[11:09] <benkong2> Belutz, WIB shows being for site shows Waktu Indonesia Barat Western Indonesia Standard Time UTC =07
[11:10] <HappyFool> carine_: hmm. that last line might be the problem
[11:10] <HappyFool> carine_: it looks like the vfat filesystem is poked
[11:10] <Belutz> benkong2: that's true, Jakarta is Wester Indonesia, i set my time zone into Asia/Jakarta and i get 'WIT' as the suffix
[11:10] <HappyFool> carine_: that is, broken
[11:11] <carine_> oh! is it fixeable?
[11:11] <NavYBarT> anyone else here know how to get a better resolution in ubuntu with a nvidia card?
[11:11] <HappyFool> carine_: i suggest copying all your data off the drive, reformatting it and copying the data back
[11:11] <HappyFool> carine_: how big is the drive?
[11:11] <benkong2> Belutz,  Set time zone to Waktu Indonesia
[11:11] <carine_> oh wow. it's 100GB and I'm already using half of it
[11:11] <bendebian> i cannot install dvdrip, because transcode isn't installable because it depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but in hoary is only "2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13"
[11:11] <benkong2> Belutz, did you go to the site link I gave you?
[11:11] <HappyFool> carine_: erk
[11:12] <ubuntu> bah! I'm a moron
[11:12] <carine_> wow I can't remove everything ... there's no other way?
[11:12] <NavYBarT> anyone else here know how to get a better resolution in ubuntu with a nvidia card??? someone please
[11:12] <ubuntu> I have an empty ntfs partition... I'll just slice somethin out of it
[11:12] <Belutz> benkong2: yes
[11:12] <HappyFool> carine_: maybe you can try using a file-system checker
[11:12] <guerrero> NavYBarT, check your xorg.conf ..the device section
[11:12] <thisisalex02> sup everyone
[11:13] <thisisalex02> how can i check which program is using my bandwidth
[11:13] <guerrero> NavYBarT, you are probably running a vesa driver or sumsuch
[11:13] <Burgundavia> !sources
[11:13] <ubotu> sources is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories, or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:13] <zenlunatic> how can i time 5 minutes then have a audio bell go off after 5 minutes in hoary?
[11:13] <NavYBarT> guerrero,  what do i do in there?
[11:13] <carine_> hmm how do i do that? is there a special program to download for that?
[11:13] <Belutz> benkong2: i already set my time zone into Asia/Jakarta, Jakarta is the capital city of Indonesia, which is located in western indonesia
[11:13] <Will_> How can I use linux to make me a cup of tea?
[11:13] <HappyFool> carine_: no, there's a checker in ubuntu already
[11:14] <thisisalex02> cause after i close wahtever program is downloading or whatever my network icon is still transmistting and receiving and i dont know which programs is using it
[11:14] <HappyFool> carine_: i think you first need to unmount the drive though -- so stop listening to music, close all folders using the drive
[11:14] <bimberi> Will_: lol - install teatime :)
[11:14] <pgidz> will_ apt-get wife
[11:14] <robotgeek_> Will_, apt-get install cups
[11:14] <ubuntu> how can I format a partition?
[11:14] <Xyc0> zenlunatic: Look in snayptic for an alarm clock program
[11:14] <Burgundavia> !sources
[11:14] <ubotu> I guess sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:14] <guerrero> NavYBarT, do you know how to edit files in unix?  use your favorite editor and open /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:14] <Will_> robotgeek_ wins the prize
[11:14] <ubuntu> after fdisking it
[11:14] <HappyFool> ubuntu: using mkfs
[11:14] <bimberi> ubuntu: mkfs
[11:14] <Will_> robotgeek_: WARNING, Prize may or may not be broken glass
[11:14] <carine_> ok done
[11:14] <guerrero> NavYBarT, go to the 'device' section and tell me what driver you see there
[11:15] <NavYBarT> nv
[11:15] <HappyFool> carine_: and then, in the root terminal, type 'umount /dev/sdb1' -- there should be no messages
[11:15] <guerrero> NavYBarT, for example...mine: Section "Device"  Driver "mga"
[11:15] <guerrero> NavYBarT, wuts yer driver?
[11:15] <NavYBarT> its NV
[11:15] <NavYBarT> "nv"
[11:15] <guerrero> ok.
[11:15] <zenlunatic> Xyc0, hm it has tons of old deps like gtk1
[11:16] <carine_> ok. i had already unmounted it via desktop
[11:16] <guerrero> NavYBarT, now down in the screen section, what resolution modes are available?
[11:16] <HappyFool> carine_: ok, great
[11:17] <NavYBarT> "1336x1336" "1336x1068" "1027x0" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" "272x272" "248x248" "248x198"
[11:17] <zenlunatic> Xyc0, i wonder if there is a shell script for this or a console program
[11:17] <HappyFool> carine_: the program to check the filesystem is called dosfsck -- however, i don't know what the risks of running it are (probably not too great)
[11:17] <Belutz> benkong2: as you can see in that website, WIB is UTC +7 and WIT is UTC +9
[11:17] <HappyFool> carine_: if you like, you can run it in 'test' mode -- in that mode, it will only tell you what it would have done, but won't do it
[11:18] <guerrero> NavYBarT, and when you try to change the resolution by "System->Preferences->Screen REsolution" what options do you have?
[11:18] <Xyc0> zenlunatic: kalarm, timer-applet
[11:18] <HappyFool> carine_: given the size of the drive, this could take some time
[11:18] <ubuntu> wow... is it me, or did the new Stargate SG1 episode suck?
[11:18] <NavYBarT>  640 x 480
[11:18] <guerrero> NavYBarT, that's it? no other in the pull down?
[11:18] <NavYBarT> nope
[11:18] <HappyFool> carine_: if you're feeling lucky, you can just run the program normally
[11:18] <NavYBarT> just that
[11:18] <benkong2> Belutz, do an ls -al /usr/share/zoneinfo and look for WIB or you city there then do a link to the correct zone
[11:19] <Jowi> NavYBarT, your monitor setting is off. wrong horiz and vertical setting.
[11:19] <NavYBarT> how do i fix this
[11:19] <Jowi> NavYBarT, if you select your correct settings for the monitor the resolutions will be available
[11:19] <guerrero> NavYBarT, did you edit the xorg.conf by hand?
[11:19] <carine_> hmm I can't find the program. it's not in system tools or system
[11:19] <Servo888> I need some help with setting up my ltmodem. So I apt-got the restricted package - and modprobed the module. Yet I'm not sure which device node the modem is on. None of the logs report that a device was assigned to any node.
[11:19] <HappyFool> carine_: dosfsck ?
[11:20] <NavYBarT> i havent touched the xorg.conf file just opened it didnt make any changes
[11:20] <carine_> yes. I can't see it
[11:20] <HappyFool> carine_: oh, no, this is from the command line
[11:20] <HappyFool> carine_: it's not available from the menus
[11:20] <HappyFool> carine_: but, tell me if you want to run it in test mode first ;)
[11:20] <NavYBarT> i was readin on google that there is diff drivers for nvidia cards  but  i cant seem to get them to work
[11:20] <carine_> oh ok. I dont know much about the command line. yes I'd like to test mode, it's safer
[11:20] <guerrero> NavYBarT, so first thing...back it up...cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.bak
[11:21] <guerrero> NavYBarT, so you changed the driver entry in the xorg.conf and this happened?  or the install was hosed from the get go?
[11:21] <Xyc0> zenlunatic: gdesklets has alot of little applets too
[11:21] <benkong2> ubotu, thanks for the link just what I needed I thing :/
[11:21] <NavYBarT> hosed from the get go
[11:21] <ubotu> benkong2: de nada
[11:21] <HappyFool> carine_: ok. in the root terminal, run 'dosfsck -nv /dev/sdb1' -- should be a fair bit of output. If you like you can paste it to the pastebin
[11:21] <zenlunatic> Xyc0, my friend is writing me a shell script since i don't know how. thanks.
[11:22] <NavYBarT> ok i copied it
[11:22] <carine_> ok here it is:
[11:22] <carine_> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/631
[11:23] <Xyc0> zenlunatic: sudo apt-get install timer-applet
[11:23] <HappyFool> carine_: is the drive still plugged in?
[11:23] <Belutz> benkong2: how do i link it?
[11:23] <carine_> oh I didn't mention that sometimes ubuntu calls the Hard drive usbdisk and sometimes sdb1. it depends on its mood
[11:23] <carine_> let me try again
[11:23] <Xyc0> zenlunatic: then add to one off the panels on your desktop
[11:23] <guerrero> NavYBarT, can you paste the xorg.conf and send a link?
[11:23] <Xyc0> of*
[11:23] <HappyFool> carine_: no, the device name should be constant (i.e., /dev/sdb1)
[11:23] <NavYBarT> do what
[11:23] <benkong2> Belutz, ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<yourtimezone> /etc/localtime I believe
[11:24] <Lite> Where can I get the kernel sources for hoary (2.6.10-5-386)? I don't see them in Synapic's repositories and I need them to install the latest nvidia drivers.
[11:24] <carine_> oh this one changes names. maybe it's because i alternate between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[11:24] <guerrero> NavYBarT, go to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ and paste the contents of your xorg.conf file
[11:24] <carine_> I started alternating long after the problems started though
[11:24] <HappyFool> carine_: hang, let me unmount my usb drive -- maybe it gets powered down
[11:24] <guerrero> so I can see it
[11:24] <HappyFool> oh, i did that
[11:24] <carine_> ok
[11:24] <HappyFool> carine_: the drive is plugged in still, right?
[11:25] <Xyc0> I used to use KDE untill Gnome 2.10 got alot of the features KDE was popular for
[11:25] <carine_> i had unplugged it. just one min
[11:25] <sagitta> hi, I just created an account on the wiki, but I can't log in
[11:25] <carine_> ok it says the same thing
[11:25] <bimberi> Lite: The package is "linux-source-2.6.10"
[11:26] <Belutz> benkong2: i still have 'WIT' as a suffix, i link the localtime into /usr/share/zoneinfo/Asia/Jakarta
[11:26] <HappyFool> carine_: you plugged it back in?
[11:27] <carine_> yes
[11:27] <HappyFool> hmm
[11:27] <benkong2> Belutz, I'm lost sorry I tried :-{
[11:27] <Lite> bimberi: Thanks.
[11:27] <HappyFool> carine_: did it not get automatically remounted?
[11:27] <carine_> it did
[11:27] <bimberi> Lite: yw :)
[11:27] <carine_> I unmounted it, without switching it off and tried
[11:28] <zenlunatic> Xyc0, cool timer-applet is nice
[11:28] <carine_> it says the same thing. tried again when mounted and still the same
[11:29] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, ya think i can get this fglrx nonsense working if i recompile a kernel following this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelHowto
[11:29] <carine_> hard drive is usbdisk instead of sdb1 now :-/ maybe I need to switch to kde to have sb1 again
[11:30] <HappyFool> carine_: no, hang on
[11:30] <carine_> okay :)
[11:30] <HappyFool> carine_: can you plug the drive out and in, type 'mount |grep /dev/sd' and tell me what the output is?
[11:30] <ttyS0> Hello people. Can anyone tell me that if possible to teach wvdial use cbcp. I've already installed pppd 2.4.3 with CBCP support. Thanks.
[11:30] <HappyFool> carine_: if it's one line you can paste it here
[11:31] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: i don't know, sorry
[11:31] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, ok ill give it a shot i have nuttin to lose
[11:31] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: do you have a reason to think it will help?
[11:31] <knowledge_> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/635 <---anyone wanna help me with this one?
[11:32] <carine_> it says: /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,quiet,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
[11:32] <HappyFool> carine_: ok
[11:32] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, no   none at all
[11:33] <HappyFool> mjkelly93: you can try, but i wouldn't be too optimistic
[11:33] <HappyFool> carine_: it's become /dev/sda -- this is maybe the difference between gnome/kde
[11:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> 1java
[11:33] <HappyFool> carine_: anyway, unmount it *without* unplugging it, and try 'dosfsck -nv /dev/sda'
[11:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> !java
[11:33] <ubotu> somebody said java was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[11:34] <mjkelly93> HappyFool, ok
[11:34] <HappyFool> carine_: ah, crap
[11:34] <HappyFool> carine_: sorry,  'dosfsck -nv /dev/sda1'
[11:34] <carine_> okay: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/638
[11:34] <carine_> alright let me try the other one
[11:35] <jasoncohen> i added two NFS shares to /etc/fstab. when i do a mount -a it sits there for quite a while before mounting but it doesn't give any error. it does the same thing at boot
[11:35] <Velcan> i can't figure out what i'm doing wrong to get this boxes hostname to broadcast over our lan. can anyone help me?
[11:35] <highvolt1ge> hostname broadcast?
[11:36] <Velcan> well ... resolve
[11:36] <carine_> Here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/640
[11:36] <Velcan> i can connect via the lan by ip but not hostname
[11:36] <dapimp53> hey I have been refering to some howtos and forums and they say to download the package from universe. What is universe and where can I find it?
[11:36] <highvolt1ge> Velcan: you need dns or entries in your hosts file.
[11:36] <carine_> oh it's not finished yet ... wait
[11:36] <knowledge_> Can anyone help with that? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/635
[11:36] <crimsun> !tell dapimp53 about components
[11:37] <Tomasu> woo. burnt my kubuntu cd.. back in a "flash"
[11:37] <HappyFool> carine_: given the size of your drive, it might take a while
[11:37] <damonw> dapimp53, hold on... ill answer you
[11:37] <mindspin> any windows/samba experts here?
[11:37] <carine_> okay it's finished : http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/641
[11:38] <Velcan> highvolt1ge:  do i just plain add them or do i have to prefix them with anything?
[11:38] <damonw> dapimp53, try this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:38] <HappyFool> carine_: ok, it looks like dosfsck wants to change some free-cluster-count
[11:39] <HappyFool> carine_: also, that trash directory looks broken
[11:39] <marcus__> I'm trying to add russian support to my desktop, but when I start it it says i need a UTF-8 or something? Can anybody help with where I can find this?
[11:39] <carine_> it also showed the original folder that cause problems
[11:39] <HappyFool> carine_: the Youssou Ndour?
[11:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is it hard to compile java?
[11:39] <carine_> yes. the trouble started when I transfered that folder
[11:40] <Will_> In soviet russia, the UTF-8 supports YOU
[11:40] <carine_> im not sure why
[11:40] <Will_> Thank you folks, I'm here all night
[11:40] <HappyFool> carine_: anyway, i'd let dosfsck do it's thing -- i don't think anything will go wrong (but i'm not guaranteeing anything ;)
[11:40] <HappyFool> carine_: maybe it's possible to switch off the 'trash' folder
[11:40] <marcus__> Will: You are funny.
[11:40] <carine_> gotta take risks in life isn't it? :)
[11:41] <carine_> if it's possible to delete the trash it owuld be even better
[11:41] <carine_> gnome created it
[11:41] <HappyFool> carine_: anyway, you can run dosfsck with 'dosfsck -av /dev/sda1'  -- that should fix the drive
[11:41] <marcus__> I think I might be in the wrong channel?
[11:42] <dapimp53> so its just adding the extra one from the synaptic package manager
[11:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um ok the link to get java that ubotu spit out is like old is there something newer?
[11:42] <carine_> ok, doing it *crossing fingers*
[11:42] <dapimp53> Is it just the one that Says Ubuntu 5.0.4 Security Updates. Community Maintained (Universe)
[11:43] <HappyFool> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it should still apply -- method 2, especially
[11:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k
[11:43] <eruin> any fully updated breezy users with non-english keyboards here?
[11:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> HappyFool um i'm using hoary not warty and even more troubling i'm confused >.<
[11:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i did manage to get the build essential part right
[11:44] <carine_> ok it's finished. should i restart it?
[11:44] <HappyFool> carine_: try unplugging and replugging the drive
[11:45] <eruin> ChurcH_of_FoamY, what are you trying to do?
[11:45] <HappyFool> carine_: i can't find a way to stop gnome creating a .trash directory
[11:46] <carine_> hmm :-/ I'm starting to use kde more often now, I think kde doesn't do that (although I can't be sure)
[11:46] <HappyFool> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you see the shell commands at the bottom?
[11:46] <carine_> So i can modify that youssou ndour folder now?
[11:46] <HappyFool> carine_: ok. i don't know how the disk came to have these errors -- it may not be gnome/kde that created them
[11:46] <HappyFool> carine_: try it and see
[11:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> HappyFool yes
[11:47] <HappyFool> ChurcH_of_FoamY: i didn't run the last three commands there, and my java works
[11:47] <robotgee2> Will_: havent read /. today
[11:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[11:47] <LasseL> ok, this is incredible cool. I just got azureus to run on my file server, but show up on my machine via X forwarding
[11:47] <HappyFool> ChurcH_of_FoamY: i just did the 'make-jpkg' and 'dpkg -i' steps
[11:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[11:49] <highvolt1ge> Velcan: in your /etc/hosts file, you can add hosts like the examples
[11:49] <ttyS0> Let's repeat :) Can anyone tell me that if possible to teach wvdial use cbcp. I've already installed pppd 2.4.3 with CBCP support. Thanks.
[11:49] <highvolt1ge> for example: 192.168.0.1 gateway gateway.company.com
[11:49] <carine_> okay it's working :)
[11:49] <carine_> thank you soo soo much! :)
[11:50] <highvolt1ge> 192.168.0.2 test testmachine
[11:50] <Velcan> highvolt1ge:  I have '127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost atlantis' in there now
[11:50] <Velcan> is taht what you are talking about?
[11:50] <HappyFool> carine_: cool
[11:50] <highvolt1ge> the first word after the ip address is what you want to call it, the others are aliases.
[11:50] <highvolt1ge> Velcan: yes.
[11:50] <jasoncohen> that's weird. if you try to mount a nfs partition without nfs-common on boot, it'll just sit there at "mounting remote filesystems" and then either fail or mount it after a long wait
[11:50] <HappyFool> carine_: maybe you can ask here again about the Trash directory thing -- i don't know how to stop that happening
[11:50] <jasoncohen> once you install nfs-common it works fine. how would it mount it at all without nfs-common?
[11:51] <carine_> yep I will ask again
[11:51] <Velcan> hmm
[11:51] <LasseL> can I start a program on anther server with X forwarding, the "disconnect" from it, and reconnect later as if nothing happened?
[11:51] <LasseL> a gui program that is
[11:51] <HappyFool> LasseL: i think you might be able to using vnc
[11:51] <HappyFool> LasseL: for non-gui programs you can use screen
[11:52] <LasseL> I'd like to do it with x-forwarding
[11:52] <chrissturm> you can use a nested x server
[11:52] <Velcan> highvoltage:  that's how it has been since i started this. yet when i 'ping atlantis' froma remote machine it jsut times out.
[11:53] <LasseL> chrissturm, a nested x server?
[11:53] <highvoltage> Velcan: you need to put those entries in the /etc/hosts of the remote machine too.
[11:53] <termitor> hello , backport for hoary is down ?
[11:53] <Velcan> highvoltage:  but i can 'ping 192.168.0.101'
[11:53] <highvoltage> so in the remote machine, you need to add a line that says '192.168.0.101 machinename'
[11:54] <highvoltage> or setup a nameserver.
[11:54] <carine_> @ happyfool: actually the waste basket is working now
[11:54] <Velcan> ahh ... but should they replicate themselves if they are on the same local network?
[11:54] <Velcan> automatically i mean
[11:54] <highvoltage> Velcan: no, they don't :(
[11:54] <Velcan> :(
[11:54] <highvoltage> hence the need for a nameserver.
[11:54] <HappyFool> carine_: cool. hope it stays that way
[11:54] <carine_> thank you so so much for your help. I really appreciate it :)
[11:54] <termitor> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ and  http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ is down
[11:55] <highvoltage> are you talking about samba? because then you might just have to start nmbd
[11:55] <HappyFool> carine_: np ;)
[11:55] <lindsey> Can someone help with desktop localizing? I need to find ru-ua.utf-8
[11:56] <amortal_mistake> linsey : dpkg-reconfigure locale
[11:56] <amortal_mistake> lindsey: then select from list and hit enter
[11:57] <HappyFool> locales
[11:57] <lindsey> Amortal: is that permanent?
[11:57] <amortal_mistake> lindsey: ? i'm not sure i follow
[11:57] <zenlunatic> i use epiphany browser and in the right click menu there is a "save link as" and a "download link" whats the difference between the two choices?
[11:57] <lindsey> amortal: I'm trying to localize my desktop, so I can switch between english and russian. Will that do it?
[11:58] <amortal_mistake> zenlunatic: download link is associated to a "common place" usually; save as lets you pick
[11:58] <amortal_mistake> lindsey: yes, i believe so
[11:58] <amortal_mistake> lindsey: what window manager?
[11:58] <lindsey> amortal. Gnome
[11:59] <amortal_mistake> *ponder* lindsey: i think after you compile it; restart gdm; you can then select from preferences
[12:00] <lindsey> amortal: I'll give it a try. Thanks.