[12:04] <seth_k> not quite as easy
[12:04] <seth_k> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[12:04] <seth_k> echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules 
[12:04] <seth_k> sudo sed -i -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:04] <seth_k> and restart.
[12:04] <seth_k> jurujen: what's up?
[12:05] <gdh_> ooh that's a handy sed recipe
[12:05] <gdh_> will save that
[12:05] <jurujen> well... aside from the fact that its not listed in any of kynaptics repositories
[12:05] <jurujen> ive tried the dep packages i found on google, but they seem to be a version ahead of this distro
[12:05] <jurujen> im running 5.04
[12:06] <seth_k> the kdevelop package is called "kdevelop3" and can be found in universe
[12:06] <seth_k> !info kdevelop3
[12:06] <ubotu> kdevelop3: (An IDE for Unix/X11 - development version), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.2.0-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 3296 kB, Installed size: 10396 kB
[12:07] <jurujen> ok, noob question then... whats universe ?
[12:07] <seth_k> ok
[12:07] <seth_k> open a terminal
[12:07] <jurujen> yep
[12:07] <seth_k> and type "kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list"
[12:07] <seth_k> ?? sources.list
[12:07] <kinfo> [sources.list]  example /etc/apt/sources.list with all official repositories plus KDE 3.4.1 and Koffice 1.4 from kubuntu.org can be found at: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/303802
[12:07] <seth_k> then delete everything in there
[12:07] <seth_k> and replace it with kinfo's version
[12:07] <jurujen> yep
[12:08] <seth_k> then save and exit, and click Reload in Kynaptic
[12:08] <seth_k> (the recycle arrows)
[12:08] <seth_k> you will then be able to find kdevelop
[12:08] <jurujen> kinfo being !info ?
[12:08] <seth_k> no, see about 10 lines up
[12:08] <ashaak> hi
[12:08] <seth_k> the kubuntu.pastebin.com link
[12:08] <seth_k> hi ashaak 
[12:09] <ashaak> i have a question
[12:09] <ashaak> i tried to install ubuntu 
[12:09] <frank> is there a use for the deb-src repositories?
[12:09] <ashaak> i had some problems
[12:10] <seth_k> frank: you use those to download sources, so you can compile yourself
[12:10] <seth_k> ashaak: what problems? and Kubuntu, or Ubuntu?
[12:10] <ashaak> ubuntu
[12:10] <frank> seth_k: yeah but was is the advantage? optimization?
[12:10] <jurujen> ta
[12:10] <ashaak> why menu-xdg isnt in default installation?
[12:10] <seth_k> frank: no, usually so you can compile different features into them, or compile for a different arch
[12:11] <seth_k> for example, I use the deb-src repos to grab breezy sources, which I then backport to Hoary
[12:11] <seth_k> ashaak: if it's Ubuntu you tried to install, /join #ubuntu
[12:11] <frank> seth_k: ok. 
[12:11] <seth_k> jurujen: did you get it okay?
[12:11] <ashaak> ok
[12:11] <ashaak> sorry
[12:11] <seth_k> no problems
[12:11] <seth_k> they'll just be better able to help you
[12:11] <seth_k> :)
[12:12] <ashaak> i have also a kubuntu 8-(
[12:12] <ashaak> 8-)
[12:12] <ashaak> i have an other problem in kubuntu
[12:12] <jurujen> seems a bit of a weak link in the chain yea... shame theres no RSS feed or something which has the latest sources and a simple client in kubuntu that can find it.
[12:13] <ashaak> i want to use mplayer as default player
[12:13] <frank> ashaak: you can try kplayer which is a frontend to mplayer
[12:13] <jurujen> seth_k: yea, thanks... my kynaptic is looking much healthier now
[12:14] <ashaak> kmplayer isnt in the repo
[12:14] <frank> ashaak: its kplayer I whink
[12:14] <frank> think*
[12:14] <ashaak> nothing
[12:15] <ashaak> apt-cache search kplay
[12:15] <ashaak> I have universe multiverse restricted
[12:15] <seth_k> jurujen: they are all in your sources.list already actually, just commented out
[12:16] <seth_k> jurujen: you see, the "universe" repository is not officially supported. That's why it's not enabled by default
[12:16] <jurujen> seth_k:  bitchin...
[12:17] <jurujen> seth_k: i was having a bad linux week there, after giving up on suse 9.3 becuase the fonts were screwed i was pleased to see kubuntu was much quicker, but devistated that i couldn't find the apps i needed.
[12:17] <frank> ashaak: yeah I got kplayer from debian unstable
[12:17] <seth_k> yeah, there needs to be a better way to see that there is a possibility to have more apps
[12:18] <ashaak> i have problem to install debian pgk
[12:18] <ashaak> deps problem
[12:18] <gdh_> this is kubuntu's first release - Kynaptic was thrown together at the last minute - it will be replaced by something better in br Breezy 
[12:18] <gdh_> s/br //
[12:19] <jurujen> seth_k: anyway, its all good now. kynaptic/synaptic shits on any other package system that ive seen... 
[12:19] <seth_k> jurujen: the apt management system pwns all
[12:20] <seth_k> Yum, YaST, everything
[12:20] <seth_k> i used SuSE for a year
[12:20] <seth_k> things got super broken
[12:20] <jurujen> seth_k: that's what sits under knaptic yea ?  ... i like anything that just works(tm)
[12:20] <seth_k> jurujen: yes, synaptic, kynaptic, aptitude are all based on APT
[12:21] <ashaak> i have an other problem 8)
[12:21] <ashaak> how can i import bakports repo gpg key 
[12:25] <seth_k> jurujen: indeed, I can't even use it anymore
[12:25] <seth_k> i use gaim
[12:26] <jurujen> seth_k: so have they changed the protocol ?  ..or is kopte out of date (same thing really)
[12:26] <seth_k> jurujen: correct on both counts
[12:33] <testmad> how do i resttart x again?
[12:33] <seth_k> ctrl alt backspace hard-kills it
[12:34] <testmad> from console?
[12:34] <testmad> i just edited some files from console..need to restart x for it to werk
[12:37] <testmad> ill just do it this way
[12:39] <MacManX> If anyone has a few extra seconds, I need help with my LiveCD of Kubuntu (PPC).
[12:41] <MacManX> Basically, all of my enabled network interfaces remain enabled for five seconds, then disable themselves.
[12:42] <testmad> yea..i got X
[12:43] <testmad> seth_k: i got X
[12:43] <testmad> yeaa
[12:43] <seth_k> grood
[12:44] <testmad> now to tweak this thing
[12:45] <MacManX> Anybody for a little network troubleshooting (hoping to catch the attention of at least on of the 85 here)?
[12:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just converted to kde after years of gnome, just a few minutes ago.
[12:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> now how can i remove the freakin bottom panel?
[12:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can make it smaller, change its position, etc.  but i can't figure out how to just delete it.
[12:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> in gnome this would be easy..c'mon dudes. help a convert out.
[12:46] <saosin> 
[12:48] <MacManX> Broken_Ladder, you can click the small arrow on the far right of the bar to hide it.
[12:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't want to hide it.
[12:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> i want it GONE
[12:48] <seth_k> you want kicker gone?
[12:48] <seth_k> oy, hi MacManX 
[12:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> i want the second panel gone..the one that is at the bottom by default.
[12:49] <MacManX> Yeah, and I want someone to help me with my network problem, but we can't all get what we want, can we?
[12:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just want one panel, at the top, with everything i need.
[12:49] <jurujen> looks like theres a workaround for kopete, and a patch also.. surprised is hasnt made it onto apt yet
[12:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> i love the customizability of kde, but this is frustrating.
[12:49] <MacManX> Hey, Seth
[12:49] <jurujen> workaround is here http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete+Jabber+Transport
[12:49] <MacManX> I'm having trouble enabling my netwrok devices.
[12:49] <seth_k> BROKEN_LADDER: you can remove any panels by right-clicking > remove from panel > remove panel...
[12:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> the main reason i switched to kde is that application menus can be set to be at the top, on the top panel.
[12:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> there is no such option.
[12:50] <seth_k> MacManX: what kind of device? ethernet or wireless
[12:51] <seth_k> how do you have two panels anyways broken_ladder, KDE only comes with one by default
[12:51] <MacManX> Ethernet.  I had no trouble doing it under GNOME (Ubuntu), but under KDE (Kubuntu), the device enables for 5 seconds, then disables itself.
[12:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> there's one at the bottom, and one at the top.
[12:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> the one at the bottom has a kde "start" menu in it.  the one at the top has the menus.
[12:51] <seth_k> oh, so you've customized it
[12:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't want the one at the bottom.  it occupies space and is annoying.
[12:51] <seth_k> MacManX: what does "sudo ifup eth0" say
[12:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> but if i minimize it, there's a little arrow that remains.
[12:52] <testmad> is 3745 fps good in glxgears?
[12:52] <seth_k> BROKEN_LADDER: i really don't think you can remove kicker
[12:52] <seth_k> that's okay, testmad 
[12:52] <seth_k> not super, but okay
[12:53] <testmad> muwahahaha...7350
[12:53] <seth_k> much more normal
[12:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just killed it.
[12:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> with xkill
[12:53] <seth_k> that, you can do
[12:53] <seth_k> but it'll come back
[12:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> hmm..i guess i can add a startup line killall kicker
[12:53] <seth_k> *maybe* try sudo aptitude remove kicker
[12:54] <seth_k> b/c it is its own package
[12:54] <testmad> since i got an amd 3800+ should i use a different kernel?
[12:54] <seth_k> i dunno if it'll let you remove it though
[12:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> surely there should be some line somewhere that is executing it to begin with.
[12:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> that i could remove in theory.
[12:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> why make it so damned difficult for a user to remove a panel?
[12:54] <MacManX> "too few parameters for iface line ifup: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"
[12:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> aside from the ugly "decor" of kde, this is my only complaint so far.
[12:54] <seth_k> there's the problem
[12:54] <seth_k> let's peek at /etc/network/interfaces
[12:55] <MacManX> Broken_Ladder, you could cut a small strip of light blue paper and tape it across the bottom of the screen.  ^_-
[12:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[12:55] <MacManX> Yes, let's peek
[12:55] <seth_k> cat /etc/network/interfaces and paste it at http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[12:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> and waste screen space
[12:55] <MacManX> Hm, that's going to be difficult
[12:55] <MacManX> I'm using IRC off of my main Mac because I can't connect to anything on the KDE mac. ^_-
[12:56] <gdh_> digicam? :)
[12:57] <MacManX> THis is the LiveCD, do you think restarting would improve anything?
[12:57] <seth_k> ohhhhhhh, it's the live cd!
[12:57] <seth_k> well you can't test anything properly on the live cd. It'll work better on the real thing
[12:57] <pax> what's a widely used KDE ftp client, other than kbear (crash like a mofo)
[12:57] <MacManX> I hope so
[12:57] <seth_k> especially if you know Ubuntu already worked with it. They use the same packages
[12:57] <seth_k> pax, I just use the built in kioslave
[12:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh, bad things happen if you kill kicker
[12:58] <gdh_> pax: That's prety much the only one. KBear is just a fluffy manager for the ftp:// kioslave...
[12:58] <pax> thx guys.
[12:58] <MacManX> Allrighty then, I'll take your word for it ^_- .  Thanks, Seth!  I'll be installing tonight.
[01:02] <testmad> seth_k:  since i got a amd 3800+ should i use a diffferent kernel?
[01:03] <P3L|C4N0> AMD 32bits = K7
[01:04] <testmad> actually im K8
[01:04] <fromoze> xp = k7
[01:04] <testmad> 64 bit
[01:04] <pax> athlon is k7
[01:04] <testmad> but im not using 64bit ubuntu
[01:04] <fromoze> athlon64 = k8
[01:04] <testmad> so how do i go about installing the k7 kernel?
[01:04] <fromoze> why are you interested in it?
[01:04] <pax> just apt-get into it (:
[01:05] <testmad> linux-image-k7?
[01:06] <pax> linux-image-2.6.10.5-k7 linux-image-k7 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-k7 and plain k7
[01:08] <testmad> so which one?
[01:08] <pax> all of'em
[01:08] <pax> wheter you chose one or all is the same apt-get will get you whatcha need anyway
[01:09] <pax> sudo apt-get install linux-image-k7 --dry-run <-- will show you what will happen without installing anything
[01:10] <testmad> ah
[01:10] <testmad> whats the smp?
[01:11] <pax> The Simple Network Management Protocol ?
[01:11] <testmad> n/m
[01:11] <testmad> multiple processors
[01:12] <gdh_> symmetric multi-processing, yes.
[01:13] <testmad> ok..so when i install the new kernel..will it remove the old one?
[01:13] <testmad> ie. any possibility of conflict?
[01:15] <testmad> and should i pull from restricted, base or universe?
[01:15] <testmad> i just spennt hours getting kubuntu up..and i dont want to mess it up yet
[01:16] <pax> nop it will not remove or hurt anything
[01:16] <testmad> hi ray_ 
[01:16] <pax> just an extra entry in grub
[01:16] <testmad> ok
[01:16] <ray_> testmad: everything work out?
[01:16] <pax> thing is, I dont think k7 will do you any good
[01:16] <testmad> yea..in X now
[01:16] <testmad> got ubuntu drivers in
[01:16] <ray_> testmad: nice
[01:16] <pax> your cpu is fast enough (:
[01:16] <testmad> 7350 fps in glxgears
[01:17] <pax> hmm and?
[01:17] <testmad> is that normal?
[01:17] <pax> maximise the sucker and see what fps you will get :)
[01:17] <testmad> hehe
[01:17] <ray_> testmad: yes
[01:17] <pax> that's great but what for?
[01:17] <testmad> ok
[01:17] <testmad> im gaming on this thing too
[01:17] <testmad> doom3,cod,moh,wolf
[01:17] <ray_> testmad: what game?
[01:18] <pax> testmad: ah ok.
[01:19] <pax> you get what 600 when maximized?
[01:19] <testmad> hold on
[01:19] <testmad> lemme try
[01:19] <ray_> i get like  
[01:19] <testmad> 622
[01:20] <pax> good enough, using nvidia?
[01:20] <testmad> yea
[01:20] <testmad> 6600gt
[01:20] <pax> 6600?
[01:20] <pax> k
[01:20] <testmad> if i turn off dri will it help?
[01:21] <pax> no clue, wont hurt if you try/
[01:21] <gdh_> 130 frames in 7.0 seconds = 18.571 FPS
[01:21] <gdh_> sm0kin' :)
[01:21] <testmad> hehe
[01:21] <pax> #dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg <- to tweak some more
[01:22] <testmad> sudo right?
[01:22] <ray_> brb
[01:22] <pax> sure.
[01:22] <testmad> lemme update the kernel first
[01:22] <pax> # <- tells you gotta be root
[01:22] <testmad> ahh
[01:23] <testmad> so still on the kernel..base, universe, or restricted?
[01:23] <testmad> and what is the diff?
[01:23] <pax> Inst linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7 (2.6.10-34.3 Ubuntu:5.04/hoary-security)
[01:23] <pax> Inst linux-image-k7 (2.6.10-7 Ubuntu:5.04/hoary)
[01:25] <testmad> 2.6.11-1-k7
[01:25] <testmad> hmm?
[01:25] <pax> you still convinced you gonna gain something from k7 eh :)
[01:25] <testmad> maybe
[01:27] <testmad> so is newhampshire nice?
[01:28] <testmad> reboot
[01:29] <ray_> how did u know i was in new hampshire?
[01:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there any way to avoid ever seeing the hand instead of my normal mouse arrow?  i just want an arrow, not a hand.
[01:33] <testmad> question
[01:33] <ray_> ok
[01:33] <testmad> y did i come up in console
[01:33] <testmad> not x?
[01:33] <ray_> huh?
[01:33] <testmad> i just installed k7 kernel
[01:34] <pax> BROKEN_LADDER: get some nice mouse themes from kde-look.org maybe?
[01:34] <pax> testmad: what level are you running?
[01:34] <testmad> and wheen i booted..it gave some errors..then rebooted on its own..and came up no err0ors but i was in console
[01:34] <ray_> why did u install a new kernel/
[01:35] <testmad> optimised for my cpu
[01:35] <ray_> what is ur cpu?
[01:35] <testmad> amd 3800+
[01:35] <ray_> cool
[01:35] <testmad> but this is not cool
[01:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> mouse themes?  woah
[01:35] <ray_> and x did not start...... i have no idea how to fix that
[01:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i make it so that all new applications will be maximized with no border?
[01:36] <testmad> let me try reboot again
[01:36] <ray_> BROKEN_LADDER: did you look in the control center?
[01:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> UH..control center?
[01:38] <testmad> straight to console again
[01:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh i see it
[01:38] <pax> BROKEN_LADDER: check special window seettings. right click on any window and make remember the size and position for no border you will have to set your window decoration settings
[01:39] <pax> testmad: #/sbin/runlevel
[01:40] <ray_> BROKEN_LADDER: yup
[01:40] <testmad> N 2
[01:40] <ray_> BROKEN_LADDER: its in the menu
[01:41] <McScruff> lo
[01:41] <pax> testmad: what happenss when you startx?
[01:41] <testmad> what is command?
[01:41] <pax> command for what?
[01:41] <testmad> starting x
[01:41] <pax> startx
[01:41] <testmad> newbie
[01:41] <testmad> jk
[01:41] <pax> arent we all
[01:41] <testmad> k
[01:42] <McScruff> does anyone kubuntu on a G3 ibook?
[01:42] <Riddell> win 15
[01:42] <Riddell> tsk
[01:43] <pax> wish I had one :)
[01:43] <testmad> heh
[01:43] <testmad> its failing on the nvidia drivers
[01:43] <testmad> are there k7 nvidia drivers?
[01:43] <testmad> owell..ill reboot and figure it out
[01:43] <pax> testmad: did you mess around with xorg.conf?
[01:43] <pax> LOL
[01:43] <pax> love it when they do that
[01:49] <testmad> gonna go eat real quick..then i got another problem for you geniuses..
[01:50] <ray_> oh boy lol
[01:53] <_user> quick question: why can't i write on the fat32 partition?
[01:57] <seth_k> how did you mount it?
[01:57] <_user> "/dev/hdb5       /mnt/share      vfat    defaults        0       0"
[02:00] <testmad> ok..heree it is..
[02:00] <testmad> i have sli setup.
[02:00] <testmad> 2 660gt's
[02:01] <testmad> when i boot...card1 werks..then when it gets to X..its just a black screen..and card 2 werks..
[02:01] <ray_> u want to hook up 2 monitors
[02:02] <testmad> and when i boot from card 2...i get black..until x comes up
[02:02] <testmad> so how do i fix?
[02:02] <ray_> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:03] <testmad> nv or nvidia driver?
[02:03] <testmad> nvidia right?
[02:04] <ray_> yup
[02:06] <testmad> enable fram buffer?
[02:06] <ray_> whats the default
[02:06] <testmad> there isnt.
[02:06] <testmad> says you can use either
[02:07] <ray_> i think you should enable it
[02:08] <ray_> but not sure
[02:10] <testmad> so after you select 24bit color its done?
[02:11] <ray_> i guess i thought it would give you the option to pick between the two cards
[02:11] <ray_> u might have to swith you bios settings
[02:11] <testmad> it said if i have another card..i have to add it manually 
[02:12] <testmad> so what file do i edit?
[02:12] <ray_> i dont know
[02:12] <testmad> heh
[02:12] <ray_> im still kinda new myself
[02:25] <Tomasu> I "just" installed kubuntu... and apt-get is already confused :( it need kdelibs-data, but knetworkconf already provides /usr/share/icons/default.kde, so it fails, and won't install anything.. even with a apt-get -f install
[02:31] <testmad> how do you get kate to open files as root?
[02:32] <gdh_> sudo kate /path/to/file
[02:32] <Tomasu> managed to fix the problem.. thank god for google..
[02:34] <seth_k> sorry Tomasu, I've been away. Not sure what your solution was, but mine would be "sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data-whatever"
[02:34] <seth_k> jurujen: right click the K and hit edit, you can play with it then
[02:35] <Tomasu> seth_k, thats the exact one I found ;)
[02:35] <seth_k> Tomasu: cheers, sorry I wasn't here earlier to tell you to do it
[02:35] <Tomasu> seth_k, saight :)
[02:35] <gdh_> wasn't that fixed in a hoary-updates release?
[02:36] <jurujen> seth_k: unfortunately i think the  editor is what scrwed it last time... is there a rebuild command ?
[02:36] <gdh_> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[02:36] <gdh_> etc.
[02:36] <seth_k> not to my knowledge, jurujen
[02:37] <jurujen> seth_k: bugger.... cos nothing i  do gets the development  branch  back.
[02:37] <Tomasu> now to configure the fglrx drivers...
[02:38] <gdh_> Tomasu: a paste from earlier...
[02:38] <gdh_> [23:04]  <seth_k> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[02:38] <gdh_> [23:04]  <seth_k> echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[02:38] <gdh_> [23:04]  <seth_k> sudo sed -i -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:39] <gdh_> (then reboot)
[02:39] <Tomasu> :o
[02:40] <Tomasu> well, I suppose I'll go see if that worked ;)
[02:41] <gdh_> i.e. if it trashes your system, it's seth's fault :)
[02:41] <gdh_> hehe
[02:43] <seth_k> heh
[02:44] <gdh_> seth_k: Out of interest, what does "echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules" do that "echo >>/etc/modules fglrx" doesn't?
[02:44] <testmad> ok.. ive been editing this file for a bit..and it wont save
[02:44] <seth_k> um
[02:44] <seth_k> nothing?
[02:44] <seth_k> what does >> do
[02:44] <gdh_> append
[02:44] <testmad> i sudo'd kate
[02:45] <seth_k> :P
[02:45] <gdh_> :)
[02:45] <seth_k> testmad: there's your issue, you can't sudo kde apps
[02:45] <seth_k> kdesu kate
[02:45] <testmad> ddang it
[02:47] <jurujen> the kde menu editor just doesn't want to work...
[02:47] <jurujen> keep creating a new submenu, and it doesnt update :(
[02:48] <jurujen> well... its intermittent at the least.
[02:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i change my keyboard shortcuts, so that meta-tab, instead of ctrl-tab, switched windows for instance?
[02:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do i stop workspace warping?
[02:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone awake?
[02:51] <testmad> ok..getting better..
[02:51] <testmad> got it all to werk on the same card now
[02:52] <testmad> after i added in the secong and changed thier order
[02:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do i set my keyboard shortcuts in kde?
[02:52] <testmad> but now..my res is low
[02:52] <gdh_> BROKEN_LADDER: use your initiative, ffs.
[02:53] <gdh_> control centre -> regional -> shortcuts
[02:53] <gdh_> Tomasu: and the verdict? :)
[02:54] <Tomasu> well, it worked :) though I don't seem to be getting the same smoothness and "speed" I got before...
[02:54] <Tomasu> in gentoo with the latest ati drivers I'd get near 2000fps, now its more 1500...
[02:54] <Tomasu> with glxgears...
[02:54] <gdh_> gentoo is for ricers tho :)
[02:54] <Tomasu> not nesesarily :P
[02:54] <gdh_> get out the family pack of Funroll Loops, etc. ;)
[02:56] <Tomasu> seriously though, glxgears was faster and smoother in my last install ;)
[02:56] <Tomasu> not that its a "good" benchmark..
[02:57] <Tomasu> ohh.. I think I recall this being due to odd mtrr mappings...
[02:57] <Tomasu> at least it was on my mini-itx box...
[02:58] <seth_k> Tomasu: if you care about fps at all on Linux, you don't run ATI cards :P
[02:59] <Tomasu> thats not very helpful :o
[02:59] <testmad> grrr
[02:59] <Tomasu> besides, I dont really care, I currently have a Radeon 9200 SE :P but I'd like it to at least match what I had previously :P
[03:00] <Jeezis> hmm, anyone else try playing battle of wesnoth and it gives a segfault?
[03:00] <Tomasu> though I will be getting a Radeon 9600xt next week :o
[03:00] <Tomasu> almost got a gf 6200...
[03:01] <Tomasu> but the site I rodered it from canceled the order. :(
[03:01] <testmad> ok..my res is low..how can i fix?
[03:14] <jago> Can any one tell me what firewall gui is best
[03:18] <testmad> anyone that can help with my screen res problem?
[03:21] <ray_> does anybody know how i can print to a windows shared printer through a router..... i did it using gnome
[03:37] <ray_> does anybody know how i can print to a windows shared printer through a router..... i did it using gnome
[03:38] <ray_> does anybody know how i can print to a windows shared printer through a router..... i did it using gnome
[03:52] <hettar> anyone know if there are monotone packages for hoary ?? They are in the breezy devel tree but won't install into hoary
[03:54] <testmad> well..got my resolution problem fixed
[04:02] <testmad> any graphical compression proggies  for linux out there?
[04:02] <testmad> winrar unfortunatly isnt
[04:03] <Jeezis> testmad: ark
[04:04] <Jeezis> gaaaaaahhhh!!! libwine is taking forever to set up!
[04:06] <testmad> ark?
[04:07] <testmad> it does rar and zip..tetc..etc
[04:07] <sbcl3> yep
[04:07] <testmad> kelw
[04:07] <sbcl3> most distros include it
[04:07] <testmad> time to setup klibido then
[04:12] <testmad> does ubuntu have berkley db?
[04:12] <testmad> i see it has the docs..
[04:12] <testmad> but nothing else
[04:30] <testmad> i need help
[04:31] <testmad> does ubuntu have support for tcl/tk?
[04:31] <crimsun> sure
[04:31] <testmad> does it come with it?
[04:31] <crimsun> install ti
[04:31] <crimsun> it, rather
[04:31] <testmad> what package?
[04:31] <crimsun> well, what version are you looking for?
[04:32] <testmad> i guess most current
[04:32] <testmad> err..stable
[04:32] <crimsun> aptitude search tcl8.5
[04:32] <crimsun> or tcl8.4
[04:32] <crimsun> or tcl8.3
[04:32] <crimsun> ...
[04:33] <testmad> awesome already has 8.4
[04:33] <testmad> now to add a  deb source..
[04:36] <testmad> question..in kynaptic..if a package has a star on it..what does that mean?
[04:36] <sbcl3> what is the best ftp client the people here have used?
[04:36] <sbcl3> (graphical client)'
[04:37] <_gdh> LeechFTP :)
[04:37] <_gdh> works nicely in Wine as I remember =)
[04:38] <sbcl3> ugh
[04:38] <_gdh> haha
[04:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> why is there kubuntu?  why not just install kde on ubuntu?  that's what i did.
[04:39] <sbcl3> i'm just using the command line right now
[04:39] <sbcl3> broken_ladder: because we don't need to uninstall gnome ^_^
[04:39] <_gdh> sbcl3: tried KBear? Or even just Konqueror with ftp:// URLs ?
[04:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[04:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just switched to kde today..not sure whether i'll stick with it.
[04:40] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: the reason KDE exists in Ubuntu is because of the guys who worked hard in Kubuntu.
[04:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> kde just takes an incredible amount of tweaking for me to like it.
[04:40] <_gdh> BROKEN_LADDER: You've just mentioned the secret to KDE - it's /configurable/ :)
[04:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> the main reason i'm using kde is that it has the application menus in the panel, although i wish its panels behaved like gnome panels where you could just delete them and have as many as you want.  and then the menubar could just be an "applet"
[04:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> i didn't know kde was any more configurable than gnome.
[04:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i configure it not to do workspace warping?
[04:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's terribly annoying
[04:42] <_gdh> I think it is vastly so. I don't mean useless shit like 'themes' - useful things like hotkeys / dialog operation / window operation :)
[04:42] <_gdh> no idea what 'workspace warping' is
[04:42] <crimsun> control center
[04:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> you put your mouse pointer at the edge of the screen and it goes to the next workspace
[04:42] <crimsun> open it up and configure workspaces
[04:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> i did.
[04:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> there's no option for that
[04:43] <sbcl3> how do i get into a directory that has spaces in its name?
[04:43] <crimsun> oh this is going to be good.
[04:43] <_gdh> sbcl3: prefix the space with a blackslash \
[04:43] <_gdh> backslash :)
[04:44] <sbcl3> gdh: so if i wanted to go into "hello world" i'd type "cd hello\ world"?
[04:44] <_gdh> or surround the whole directory path with double-quotes.
[04:44] <_gdh> sbcl3: yes.
[04:44] <sbcl3> k
[04:44] <aseigo_afk> BROKEN_LADDER: control center -> desktop -> window behaviour
[04:44] <aseigo_afk> BROKEN_LADDER: Advanced tab, Active Desktop Borders: select Disabled
[04:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh thanks!
[04:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> how did i not see that.
[04:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay, next i set kde to use esd, but it's not working right.
[04:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> kde apps can't use sound.
[04:46] <aseigo_afk> kde doesn't use esd. where did you select esd? in the Sound System panel?
[04:46] <_gdh> "esound is junk. The only thing esd has is a good client API for going boing at approximately the right time. Anything else is beyond it." - Alan Cox
[04:46] <sbcl3> how do i download an entire directory in ftp? (the terminal)
[04:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh holy crap..kde lets me set my $ sign _after_ the value.  that's just what i always wanted.. sweeet.
[04:47] <_gdh> insane, "153.55 $" ?
[04:47] <sbcl3> i think its get
[04:47] <aseigo_afk> sbcl3: wget -r ...
[04:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> if i don't use esound, how do i get my gnome apps to have sound?
[04:47] <_gdh> sbcl3: er, you can't easily.. 
[04:48] <_gdh> the standard 'ftp' client is fairly lightweight.
[04:48] <aseigo_afk> sbcl3: or just use a decent ftp client and when logged in do "get dirname" or "mget <filelist"
[04:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh it's working now.
[04:48] <aseigo_afk> er, mget <filelist>
[04:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> strange.
[04:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> at least four times today i've had to restart my computer because kde just froze up.
[04:48] <aseigo_afk> sbcl3: better yet, just use konq ;) right click on the folder, copy to -> ping!
[04:48] <_gdh> the normal commandline ftp will suport mget , but won't auto-create / download multiple subdirs.
[04:49] <_gdh> Yes, listen to aseigo_afk  :)
[04:49] <aseigo_afk> BROKEN_LADDER: that would likely not be kde but your x configuration
[04:49] <_gdh> even though he's obviously not afk :)
[04:49] <aseigo_afk> ok, i'm now really afk
[04:49] <aseigo_afk> heh
[04:49] <_gdh> hehe
[04:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> aseigo_afk it never EVER froze up in gnome.
[04:49] <testmad> _gdh: goto klibido's website and look at the install instructions for ubuntu..and tell me what is wrong with it pls..
[04:50] <testmad> cus its not werkin for me
[04:50] <aseigo_afk> BROKEN_LADDER: that doesn't mean it isn't X =)
[04:50] <_gdh> testmad: Excuse me?
[04:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> one thing that drove me bonkers in kde is removing the bottom panel.
[04:50] <testmad> i said pls..
[04:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> i finally just made it hidden or whatever.
[04:50] <testmad> the magic word
[04:50] <_gdh> whose website? I think you have me confused with someone else..
[04:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> made it so that apps can be on top of it.
[04:50] <testmad> hehe
[04:50] <testmad> klibido
[04:50] <testmad> its a newsgroup reader
[04:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> in gnome, i'd just select "remove panel"
[04:50] <_gdh> never heard of it, I only use usenet for, er, binaries :) <ahem>
[04:51] <testmad> http://klibido.sourceforge.net/#_requirements
[04:51] <testmad> towards bottom.
[04:51] <aseigo_afk> BROKEN_LADDER: yes, there is always at least one panel ... best you can do is autohide it
[04:51] <testmad> yea..ok..but..i use nzb's
[04:51] <_gdh> testmad: Snap :) i use 'nzbget' for those
[04:52] <testmad> really..
[04:52] <testmad> link pls
[04:52] <_gdh> http://noisybox.net/computers/nzbperl/ is also cool
[04:52] <_gdh> else, sf.net/projects/nzbget
[04:53] <_gdh> perfect for firing up a screen, start it going, detach... go do something more interesting and check back later =)
[04:53] <testmad>  which is best?
[04:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> aseigo_afk no, there are TWO panels.
[04:53] <testmad> in yer opinion
[04:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> aseigo_afk there's the top panel and the bottom one.
[04:54] <sbcl3> i can't figure out how to download a whole directory
[04:54] <_gdh> testmad: I've only used nzbget so far - but the perl one looks pretty :)
[04:54] <sbcl3> how does one download a whole directory through ftp?
[04:54] <testmad> hehe
[04:54] <aseigo_afk> BROKEN_LADDER: right click on the panel, remove from panel -> panel -> select which one you want gone
[04:54] <_gdh> sbcl3: 'cd' into the dir then do 'mget *'
[04:55] <aseigo_afk> BROKEN_LADDER: e.g. the same way you added the second panel =) it's a bit more obvious in 3.5
[04:55] <_gdh> you might want to issue 'prompt' before that
[04:55] <_gdh> so it doesn't ask you to confirm each download
[04:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> aseigo_afk you cannot remove the bottom panel.
[04:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> aseigo_afk there's the panel that holds the menubar, which is the only one i want.
[04:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't delete the bottom one.
[04:56] <aseigo_afk> BROKEN_LADDER: right. but you can move it. you said you had two panels right? but only wanted one?
[04:56] <aseigo_afk> BROKEN_LADDER: ah.. the menubar panel. well, actually you can.
[04:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> i want that to be the only panel.
[04:57] <aseigo_afk> BROKEN_LADDER: it's a rather hidden little feature. want to know the trick?
[04:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> or rather, i want just one panel, at the top, with a menubar on it.
[04:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> certainly
[04:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> i hated kde for so long..so odd that just today i decided to use it, and i'm finally liking it.
[04:57] <sbcl3> gdh: theres no way to just download it by naming the directory?
[04:57] <sbcl3> you have to go into the directory to get everything?
[04:57] <aseigo_afk> BROKEN_LADDER: ok.. open a konsole window... dcopquit kicker
[04:58] <aseigo_afk> BROKEN_LADDER: then open up ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc in a text editor
[04:58] <aseigo_afk> BROKEN_LADDER: then look for:
[04:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> woah..hold on
[04:58] <aseigo_afk> [Main Panel] 
[04:58] <aseigo_afk> if that doesn't exist, create it
[04:58] <aseigo_afk> then put:
[04:58] <aseigo_afk> DesktopFile=childpanelextension.desktop
[04:59] <_gdh> BROKEN_LADDER: wow, you mean as good as if you bought the CD? :|
[04:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> i did buy the cd.
[04:59] <aseigo_afk> ConfigFile=kicker_menubarpanelrc
[04:59] <_gdh> ... I don't get it, then.. why not just play the CD? :)
[04:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> the point is, i didn't compress it, and it's through a digital out, and i have no eq on.  it sounds greaaat
[04:59] <aseigo_afk> save the file, start kicker again
[05:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> aseigo_afk this is wacko..let me try it..one minute.
[05:00] <_gdh> Either way it's still nonsense mumbling by a pack of over-rated wankers who'll be long forgotten in 12 months =)
[05:00] <crimsun> now now
[05:00] <aseigo_afk> BROKEN_LADDER: wacko or not, i only had so much time to fix strange shit for 3.4
[05:00] <_gdh> hehehe :)
[05:01] <aseigo_afk> finally .. phone conversations over. stupid phones. back to my movie. 
[05:03] <_gdh> and on that note I bid you all a good evening. nna :)
[05:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> trying it now..
[05:04] <testmad> got klibido to install
[05:05] <testmad> i was using the version name used in the instructions..the src has been updated but not the instructions..had different version numbers
[05:05] <testmad> heh
[05:09] <lokito> any one know how to control the upload speed , for a ftp or any service under kubuntu
[05:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> those lines are already in my kickerr
[05:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> gdh that's so fucking stupid.
[05:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> coldplay has been around for years.
[05:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> they are perhaps the greatest songwriters of our time.
[05:12] <crimsun> he left, man.
[05:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> ahh..fuck 'im
[05:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> coldplay will be the next u2.  they'll be around in 15-20 years and popular.
[05:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> aseigo_afk like i said, those lines are in my config file already
[05:14] <aseigo_afk> BROKEN_LADDER: ConfigFile=kicker_menubarpanelrc? in the [Main Panel]  group? i doub it
[05:14] <aseigo_afk> er, doubt it
[05:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> yes it is
[05:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> i never put it there.  it's just there
[05:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay, this is another annoying thing.  when i go to any kde program, all of the applets on the top panel that are to the right of the menu bar, disappear.
[05:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> wtf
[05:18] <testmad> make dir is md right?
[05:18] <testmad> mkdir
[05:18] <testmad> duh
[05:23] <testmad> how can i see all hardware on my pc..specifically all partitions
[05:23] <testmad> even ntfs
[05:23] <seth_k> sudo fdisk -l
[05:23] <seth_k> to show partitions
[05:25] <testmad> thnx
[05:25] <testmad> now if i mount a drive on boot..can i change it if its not the right one?
[05:25] <testmad> just edit the fstab right?
[05:26] <testmad> err..
[05:26] <testmad> anyone?
[05:26] <seth_k> yeah, you can mount and unmount whenever you want
[05:26] <seth_k> as long as the drive isn't in use
[05:27] <testmad> even when its mounted at boot?
[05:27] <seth_k> yeah, it makes no difference
[05:27] <testmad> ok..
[05:34] <testmad> is there an mp3 player that has visualizations?
[05:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> how about a digital music player.
[05:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> no reason to use mp3
[05:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> perhaps vorbis or flac
[05:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> when i make a shortcut for alt-f1 to go to workspace 1, it doesn't work.  every other combo works. :/
[05:38] <testmad> well..al my audio is in mp3 and wma
[05:38] <seth_k> probably already taken
[05:38] <testmad> ian i dont feel like converting it over for a few days
[05:38] <testmad> lol
[05:41] <testmad> seth..
[05:42] <testmad> getting mplayer stuff..
[05:42] <testmad> and at libdvdcss
[05:42] <testmad> what do i get?
[05:42] <seth_k> is that a rhetorical question? ;)
[05:42] <testmad> tar.gz,tar.bz2??
[05:42] <testmad> rpm..deb?
[05:43] <seth_k> .deb...?
[05:43] <seth_k> out of backports/restricted
[05:43] <seth_k> it's all nice and Ubuntuized
[05:43] <testmad> i was looking at the website
[05:44] <testmad> i dont have backports
[05:44] <testmad> how do i get?
[05:45] <seth_k> add these to /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:45] <seth_k> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[05:45] <seth_k> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[05:47] <testmad> what about the codecs..are they there too?
[05:50] <testmad> how do i change file associations?
[05:52] <seth_k> KDE components > File associations
[05:53] <testmad> i think im going to associate everything with kaffiene
[05:53] <testmad> or is there a better audio video player?
[05:55] <seth_k> no, kaffeine pwns
[05:55] <testmad> k
[05:56] <testmad> can it play mpeg?
[05:57] <seth_k> depends on what codecs you feed it
[05:57] <seth_k> the short answer is yes
[05:58] <testmad> ok?
[06:01] <testmad> how would i install all-20020412.tar.bz2 ?
[06:02] <kalenedrael> un-tar it
[06:02] <testmad> ok..then?
[06:02] <kalenedrael> then copy it to /usr/lib/codecs or wherever the codecs are supposed to be
[06:03] <testmad> k
[06:03] <testmad> thnx
[06:03] <kalenedrael> did you compile mplayer from source?
[06:03] <kalenedrael> ok, i see, you used apt
[06:03] <kalenedrael> hmm
[06:03] <kalenedrael> i like mplayer
[06:03] <seth_k> erg, don't do that
[06:03] <seth_k> just go to a backports mirror manually, and install w32codecs out of hoary-extras/restricted
[06:04] <gigaclon> the repositories are messed up for me
[06:04] <seth_k> (instead of using kynaptic)
[06:04] <seth_k> gigaclon: you're using the US repos, eh
[06:04] <gigaclon> no im not
[06:04] <seth_k> which ones?
[06:04] <gigaclon> the non ones
[06:05] <gigaclon> archive.whatever
[06:05] <seth_k> ok
[06:05] <gigaclon> i update and get and error
[06:05] <sbcl3> how do i run one .exe file through wine?
[06:05] <seth_k> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com for the error please :)
[06:05] <sbcl3> do i need to do lots of configuration first to use it?
[06:05] <seth_k> sbcl3: wine blah.exe
[06:05] <sbcl3> yay...no config
[06:05] <gigaclon> or right click and config it
[06:06] <testmad> how do i unmount?
[06:06] <seth_k> sbcl3: if it's a complex exe, it won't run without config.
[06:06] <sbcl3> umount /dev/bla
[06:06] <seth_k> sbcl3: but lots do just fine
[06:06] <sbcl3> (with sudo)
[06:06] <testmad> k
[06:06] <gigaclon> when trying to refresh I get this:
[06:06] <gigaclon> Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[06:07] <seth_k> gigaclon: could you compare your sources.list with kinfo's ?
[06:07] <seth_k> ?? sources.list
[06:07] <kinfo> [sources.list]  example /etc/apt/sources.list with all official repositories plus KDE 3.4.1 and Koffice 1.4 from kubuntu.org can be found at: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/303802
[06:09] <seth_k> er, you have done a sudo apt-get update haven't you?
[06:09] <gigaclon> yeah
[06:09] <moshe> hello
[06:10] <moshe> am I reading inittab correctly, that runlevel 2 is the default runlevel?
[06:10] <seth_k> moshe: you are correct :)
[06:10] <gigaclon> what GUI prog can I use to edit sources.list
[06:11] <moshe> this is the first linux system I've used that didn't default to four or five
[06:11] <seth_k> moshe: I think all Debian systems use init 2
[06:11] <seth_k> gigaclon: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:11] <moshe> news to me
[06:12] <moshe> Back when I tried Debian, I didn't know a thing about runlevels.
[06:12] <moshe> is there a guide on how to tweak the services that ubuntu runs on startup?
[06:12] <moshe> I was a little disappointed that I couldn't simply uninstall postfix without uninstalling practically the whole system.
[06:12] <seth_k> moshe: you might peek at BUM, the BootUp Manager
[06:12] <moshe> some of the package dependencies in kubuntu are somewhat nutty
[06:13] <seth_k> kubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage
[06:13] <testmad> awww..i cant play wmv
[06:13] <moshe> the notion that uninstalling kaffeine would uninstall kde is a little silly
[06:13] <seth_k> it can be safely uninstalled
[06:13] <B-L> whenever i choose a kde app (ie not a gnome app) everything in my panel to the right of the menu bar disappears.
[06:13] <moshe> seth_k, that wasn't obvious.
[06:13] <moshe> where do I find bum?
[06:13] <seth_k> here is a URL for bum: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=75
[06:13] <seth_k> moshe: I know, it's kind of a hack
[06:14] <gigaclon> so can replace my sources.list with the one on the pastebin
[06:14] <seth_k> moshe: but it's the only sane way to dist-upgrade between versions
[06:14] <seth_k> gigaclon: yes
[06:14] <moshe> I wanted to uninstall Kaffeine and compile 0.4.3, which is a version that actually works without crashing every two seconds.
[06:14] <seth_k> heh
[06:14] <moshe> seth_k, which means I need to have the dummy package installed.
[06:14] <seth_k> you have kde 3.4.1, moshe?
[06:14] <seth_k> it fixed a lot of the crash stuff
[06:15] <testmad> seth_k: can yer kaffeine play wmv?
[06:15] <seth_k> testmad: yes
[06:16] <testmad> hmm..mine cant
[06:16] <seth_k> you didn't use the deb form of w32codecs
[06:16] <testmad> no
[06:16] <gigaclon> there is a wiki for it
[06:16] <testmad> from backports
[06:16] <seth_k> yep
[06:16] <moshe> seth_k, yes
[06:17] <moshe> I'll deal with the issues with kaffeine.  I liked the earlier version, before the devs decided to fuck up the interface.
[06:17] <moshe> I've come to prefer amarok for music, and xine is good for video
[06:17] <moshe> I just installed bum and I'm running it now.
[06:17] <gigaclon> which repos had us in them?
[06:17] <moshe> I just wish I knew how to do this stuff on the cli.
[06:19] <gigaclon> grrr
[06:19] <gigaclon> libpango is messed up
[06:19] <moshe> thanks for the suggestion.
[06:19] <moshe> 'night, all.
[06:21] <B-L> hell yeah..i got my esperanto keymap working again.
[06:21] <testmad> i got the codecs werkin
[06:21] <B-L> jesus h. christ kde is buggy.
[06:21] <testmad> but everytime i close kaffeine it crashes
[06:24] <testmad> and i cant play rmvb files either
[06:24] <gigaclon> so i can safely remove kubuntu-desktop?
[06:24] <testmad> i get a preview of the first screen
[06:24] <testmad> but no playing
[06:24] <gigaclon> im trashing kynaptic
[06:24] <B-L> gigaclon probably, but i'd install fluxbox or gnome first.
[06:24] <B-L> so you have something..
[06:24] <seth_k> gigaclon: if that's the only reason you want to remove kubuntu-desktop, imo just leave it in and ignore it...
[06:24] <B-L> does kubuntu use gdm?
[06:24] <seth_k> it's only a few MB
[06:25] <seth_k> nope, kdm
[06:25] <B-L> never heard of that.
[06:25] <seth_k> gigaclon: and it will make life a lot easier come Breezy time
[06:25] <B-L> hmm
[06:25] <gigaclon> I don't want to trash KDE, just kynaptic
[06:26] <B-L> just use apt-get ;)
[06:27] <B-L> what is kaffeine?
[06:27] <seth_k> a video / music player for KDE
[06:28] <seth_k> gigaclon: just install synaptic and ignore kynaptic. Don't break kubuntu-desktop just for that
[06:28] <gigaclon> ok
[06:37] <B-L> why is kwrite not in my list of apps in the kde menu?
[06:37] <testmad> seth_k: are you using kaffeine 2.1?
[06:38] <seth_k> testmad: there's no such thing. I use .6
[06:38] <testmad> uhh.
[06:38] <testmad> 0.6ubuntu2.1
[06:39] <testmad> or something liek that
[06:39] <testmad> http://kubuntu.org/pool/kaffeine/
[06:40] <testmad> debian package
[06:44] <testmad> if i install this will it just over write the old kaffeine?
[06:44] <testmad> or install another one?
[06:50] <B-L> how do i set my system to use kdm instead of gdm?
[06:54] <Tomasu> I'm getting the weirdest kernel logs :o
[06:54] <Tomasu> Jul 16 22:43:16 localhost kernel:  [schedule+1283/1296]  schedule+0x503/0x510
[06:55] <Tomasu> and right about when a ton of those are written, my system hangs :o
[06:57] <B-L> you know how to set to kdm instead of gdm?
[06:57] <B-L> by any chance?
[06:59] <ardent11> hey if i have ubuntu, is it possible to turn it into kubuntu, because im on dialup and i dont have the patience to download kubuntu but im getting ubuntu cds sent to me...
[06:59] <testmad> hmm..
[06:59] <testmad> how do i move files when i need root?
[06:59] <sbcl3> how do I start up artsd? it just crashed. it doesn't appear to be in init.d
[07:00] <Tomasu> ardent11, I think the docs mention you just need to install kubuntu-desktop
[07:00] <Tomasu> sbcl3, it gets started automatically by kde apps...
[07:00] <sbcl3> amarok won't start it...
[07:00] <slicslak> anyone know how to build a shipyard in freecraft?  i just can't find the option
[07:01] <sbcl3> fixed :)
[07:02] <ardent11> thanks tomasu, i'll just wait till my cds arrive :)
[07:06] <sproingie> wow, kword is crashy
[07:06] <testmad> so to copy files in console use cp *.* destination?
[07:10] <Tomasu> testmad, that'll only work if theres a . in the filename.  now   cp * destination   should pick up most files.
[07:11] <testmad> ok
[07:12] <testmad> kaffeine just wont open rmvb files
[07:12] <testmad> that sux
[07:15] <testmad> fixed the kaffeine crashing on me when i close problem
[07:22] <testmad> is koqueerer mozilla compatible?
[07:23] <testmad> n/m
[07:28] <B-L> kword isn't in my kde menu that i see
[07:29] <B-L> odd
[07:29] <B-L> speaking of the kde menu, how can i set it to display the program's name instead of its description?
[07:30] <B-L> like it says, PDF Viewer (KPDF), and i want it to say, KPDF (PDF Viewer)
[07:34] <_thomas> Hello everyone.
[07:34] <_thomas> I need some help. :)
[07:34] <_thomas> DUh. LOL
[07:35] <_thomas> I have a Radeon 9800 pro video card that I successfully had running great in Ubuntu.  But I like KDE better than GNOME so I install KUBUNTU.
[07:36] <_thomas> But now I cannot get my 9800 pro to install using the same steps as I did in UBUNTU.
[07:37] <testmad> ok.if i want flash sites to werk rite i cant use konquerer can i?
[07:38] <sbcl3> _thomas: what exactly is the problem? when you boot does your x server spew out errors?
[07:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> when i start kde, esd isn't running and i have to manually start it.  how do i fix this?
[07:39] <_thomas> No. No errors. But I do have this from my fglrx.log file:
[07:40] <_thomas> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
[07:40] <_thomas> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
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[07:40] <_thomas> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
[07:40] <_thomas> <meta name="Generator" content="Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor" />
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[07:41] <_thomas> [Message]  Kernel Module : Trying to install a precompiled kernel module.
[07:41] <_thomas> [Message]  Kernel Module : Precompiled kernel module version mismatched.
[07:41] <_thomas> [Error]  Kernel Module : No kernel module build environment - please consult readme.
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[07:41] <_thomas> Ack. Sorry about that.
[07:41] <sbcl3> odd.
[07:41] <sbcl3> i'm then assuming you installed the fglrx driver through apt?
[07:41] <sbcl3> and that you updated xorg.conf?
[07:41] <_thomas> yes.
[07:41] <_thomas> yes.
[07:41] <_thomas> I followed everything in the HOWTO.
[07:42] <_thomas> Worked fine in UBUNTU, but not in KUBUNTU.
[07:42] <sbcl3> not sure then. worked fine for me
[07:46] <hettar> hmm I can't get ndiswrapper to work on ubuntu :(
[07:52] <P3L|C4N0> ndiswrapper is easy
[07:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i make konquerer require double-click to open files instead of single click?
[07:54] <testmad> konquerer cant do flash can it?
[07:55] <P3L|C4N0> $ sudo aptitude install wireless-tools
[07:55] <P3L|C4N0> $ sudo aptitude install ndiswrapper-utils
[07:55] <P3L|C4N0> $ sudo ndiswrapper -i /path_of/driver-of-windows.inf
[07:55] <P3L|C4N0> $ sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[07:55] <P3L|C4N0> $ sudo ndiswrapper -m
[07:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> konquerer seems to be very hard to configure.
[07:57] <testmad> ok?
[07:57] <testmad> i should just install firefox huh?
[08:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> can multiple apps use alsa at the same time, or must they use something like esd?
[08:41] <newbie> anyone know of good pdftohtml convertor
[08:46] <MacManX> Anyone around for a quick KDE bug question?
[08:49] <aseigo> possibly
[08:49] <aseigo> if not here, #kde
[08:50] <MacManX> Well, I just installed Kubuntu PPC, and my colors are very messed up.
[08:50] <MacManX> It almost seems like I have random pixels mis-associating themselves.
[08:51] <MacManX> For example, pink seems to replace most ocurrances of what would be "light blue".
[08:51] <MacManX> I was hoping that this may be a known issue with a work-around.
[08:55] <MacManX> I think I'll rest first.  I'll take a stab at this tomorrow.
[09:01] <jane> hi all, I think I have missed something...kubunto was a breeze to install, I wan to add firefox and thunderbird..."E: Couldn't find package"... thunberbird or firefox
[09:02] <jane> thunderbird
[09:27] <hettar> Yay I got ndiswrapper to work.
[09:28] <KaiL_> Broadcom?
[09:29] <hettar> yeah :(
[09:29] <hettar> at least until my new laptop arrives this week
[09:29] <KaiL_> then really congrats
[09:29] <hettar> I had to install a newer version of ndiswrapper than is in hoary
[09:30] <KaiL_> I know
[09:30] <KaiL_> I had the same fun
[09:31] <KaiL_> the intel ipw2200 here is much nicer, that just works :)
[09:32] <hettar> Yeah I just order an asus w2 and it has the intel. I will never get another laptop with the broadcom chips
[09:32] <Zibar> hi all. im trying to install kubuntu on a sata drive but installer wont recognize drive .... do i need any special boot parameters or something ?
[09:34] <KaiL_> hettar: integrated chip or PCMCIA?
[09:35] <KaiL_> uuhm, W2? you mean W2V?
[09:36] <Zibar> anyone ? installing on sata ? im using the newest kubuntu install disc ....
[09:36] <KaiL_> ...17" 16:10, 1680x1050 px.... 
[09:36] <KaiL_> Zibar: depends on the sata controller
[09:37] <KaiL_> somewhere between "hopeless" and "works out of the box"
[09:37] <KaiL_> hettar: uuhm, W2? you mean W2V?
[09:37] <Zibar> so if the drives doesnt show up they are not supported
[09:37] <Zibar> argh
[09:37] <Zibar> oh well, bye bye kubuntu ... :(
[09:38] <KaiL_> which controller is that?
[09:38] <Zibar> intel something  ... hang on ...
[09:39] <Zibar> intel 82801 i think .... system info in xp says ata controller though, but it must be the one .....
[09:39] <KaiL_> Issue #3: "Enhanced mode" or "SATA-only mode" may need to be set in BIOS.
[09:40] <KaiL_> ..that's the only thing, what my information says
[09:40] <Zibar> im running native mode ... got 2 sata drives and 2 dvd drives .....
[09:40] <Zibar> hmm ok
[09:41] <Zibar> ive had the same issues with debian .... booting with kernel 2.6 solved it back then ....
[09:41] <Zibar> but no info on ubuntu forums .....
[09:42] <Zibar> what kernel is the kubuntu installer using ?
[09:42] <KaiL_> 2.6.10
[09:42] <Zibar> hmmm
[09:42] <KaiL_> sarge has 2.6.8...
[09:43] <Zibar> yes, i think that was the one i used on debian
[09:45] <Zibar> while im here - anyone running wow on cedega ? would kiek to hear any first hand experiences with this ....
[09:45] <Zibar> like even
[09:47] <Zibar> thanks for the info kail ....
[09:50] <hettar> anyone know of some .debs for monotone on hoary ?
[11:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone awake?
[11:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> what password is kcontrol wanting me to enter to go into administrator mode in the kdm setup?
[11:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's not accepting my password, nor the root password
[11:15] <petko> hello all
[11:15] <petko> how to configure konversation to read BG English ?
[12:22] <m0ns00n> Hey
[12:22] <m0ns00n> Anyone care to make a .deb out of my paint app?
[12:23] <m0ns00n> http://www.sub-ether.org/lunapaint/
[12:24] <buz> weird name for a linux app
[12:24] <buz> luna is the name of the butt ugly XP theme
[12:25] <m0ns00n> Don't be so narrow minded :-) Lunapaint is an excellent name hehe - who cares what's happening in the Windows world
[12:40] <tiago> hi can some one help me get the games menu to appear when i click on the K menu?
[12:40] <tiago> i downloaded a bunch of games but there is no game menu in kubuntu xD
[12:51] <tiago> hello... can some one please help me out?
[02:02] <ermac`> hmmz i have a question
[02:02] <ermac`> when i try to open a CD in Juk then it says you can only select local files?
[02:47] <fromoze> !paste
[02:47] <ubotu> paste is probably ""http://ubuntu.pastebin.com http://pastebin.com or #flood here on freenode.""
[02:52] <_joris> if i install apache2 on kubuntu will other ppl be able to access my files on my apache server?
[02:55] <azol> _joris: see /etc/apache2/ports.conf
[02:56] <_joris> uhu then change it to 78?
[02:57] <azol> _joris: something like this - Listen 127.0.0.1:80
[02:58] <_joris> hmm listen 80 is it now...
[02:58] <azol> _joris: and only you will be able to use apache
[02:58] <_joris> and when i read the guide
[02:58] <_joris> they recommend me to change it to 78
[03:00] <azol> _joris: try it
[03:01] <_joris> can someone dns me :D
[03:01] <_joris> i don't know my own ip
[03:01] <_joris> :p
[03:01] <_joris> haha
[03:04] <azol> _joris: PING dD5773890.access.telenet.be (213.119.56.144)
[03:05] <_joris> thx
[03:05] <_joris> azol can you do this for me: http://213.119.56.144/testphp.php
[03:10] <azol> _joris: no result - timeout
[03:10] <_joris> uhu server is down :( made a mistake
[03:11] <azol> _joris: :-)
[03:12] <_joris> azol can you do this for me: http://213.119.56.144/testphp.php
[03:12] <_joris> fixed it
[03:13] <_joris> azol: does it work now?
[03:13] <azol> _joris: no
[03:14] <_joris> fuck :(
[03:14] <_joris> Listen 127.0.0.1:80
[03:14] <_joris> that's on the ports.conf file now
[03:15] <azol> _joris: and what do you want?
[03:15] <_joris> just to other ppl being able to access my php-server
[03:16] <nikkia> joris, Listen 127.0.0.1:80 will only listen for connections from localhost
[03:16] <nikkia> joris, you want Listen 0.0.0.0:80   most likely
[03:16] <azol> _joris: Listen 80
[03:17] <_joris> azol
[03:17] <_joris> i did
[03:17] <_joris> doesn't change i guess :'(
[03:17] <azol> _joris: restart apache
[03:17] <nikkia> joris, are you restarting apache each time you make a change?
[03:17] <_joris> maybe because i have a router?
[03:17] <_joris> yes nikkia
[03:18] <_joris> i did restart it
[03:18] <_joris> isn't it 78?
[03:18] <nikkia> joris, you may very well have to setup a PAT rule in your router
[03:19] <_joris> hmmz
[03:19] <_joris> how do i do that?
[03:19] <_joris> nikkia
[03:19] <_joris> how can i access the router-config?
[03:19] <nikkia> joris, it depends on your router, you'll have to read its manual :)
[03:19] <azol> _joris: hmm (The 1662 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: filtered) - you should open 80 port
[03:22] <_joris> hmmz
[03:23] <_joris> nvm 
[03:23] <_joris> i'll only use it as a testing server then
[03:23] <_joris> got a webspace and domain so nvm
[03:42] <Pie-maker> anyone have experience with skim in KDE?
[03:43] <Pie-maker> I wanted to type japanese stuff into kde apps so I followed the instructions from the wiki at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/JapaneseInputHowto 
[03:44] <Pie-maker> I can type stuff in japanese in gtk apps but not qt apps
[03:45] <gyaresu> Pie-maker, sorry man. it's pretty empty in here eh? just wanted to see if anyone would help you.
[03:45] <Pie-maker> its empty here?
[03:46] <gyaresu> i came here after you....
[03:46] <Pie-maker> yep
[03:46] <gyaresu> HELLO...hello...hello...
[03:47] <gyaresu> pft.
[03:47] <Pie-maker> ^^^^^^^/.^^^^^^^
[03:48] <Riddell> Pie-maker: is scim required to input CJK in gtk?
[03:49] <Pie-maker> yep
[03:50] <Riddell> we don't seem to have a package for skim
[03:50] <Pie-maker> oops. typo. supposed to be scim
[03:50] <Riddell> skim is the KDE stuff for scim :)
[03:51] <Pie-maker> yep.
[03:51] <Riddell> you sure there isn't some other way of inputting CJK?  how have all our users managed until now?
[03:52] <Pie-maker> I don't know. there are a bunch of apps that seem funny to me. xim, uim, qt-immodule
[03:53] <Riddell> funny in which way?
[03:54] <Pie-maker> funny as in a bunch of apps that are probably great but I have little idea how to make them work
[03:55] <pv_> I believe you can input CJK to qt apps if XMODIFIERS="@im=SCIM"  is set
[03:56] <Riddell> could you download skim and test it to see if it works?  http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/scim/skim-1.4.0.tar.bz2
[03:56] <Riddell> pv_: set where?
[03:56] <pv_> And scim is running.
[03:56] <pv_> Riddell, environment variable, which should be set before starting kde.
[03:56] <Pie-maker> I have that var set
[03:56] <Pie-maker> to @im=SCIM
[03:57] <pv_> Also run scim -d 
[03:57] <pv_> I have 
[03:57] <pv_> #!/bin/sh
[03:57] <pv_> scim -d
[03:57] <pv_> XMODIFIERS="@im=SCIM"; export XMODIFIERS
[03:57] <pv_> in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/02xmodifier-scim
[03:58] <Pie-maker> got that as well. except my file is /etc/X11/Xsession.d/74write-japanese
[03:59] <pv_> Have you modified the "/SupportedUnicodeLocales" in /etc/scim/config ?
[03:59] <Pie-maker> no
[04:00] <pv_> I think it is required to use one of the locales listed in there, or add the locales you will be using. Perhaps ~/.scim/global will also work.
[04:01] <Pie-maker> ok
[04:11] <Pie-maker> pv_: are you using skim?
[04:17] <pv_> Pie-maker, no.
[04:18] <Pie-maker> ok
[04:22] <_joris> can i get all standard windowsfonts on my kubuntu?
[04:23] <_joris> like verdana, tahoma, arial
[04:23] <_joris> etc...
[04:29] <Pie-maker> sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts (with universal repo enabled)
[04:30] <_joris> can i get all standard windowsfonts on my kubuntu?
[04:30] <_joris> like verdana, tahoma, arial
[04:30] <_joris> etc...
[04:31] <Pie-maker> yes. just type in
[04:31] <Pie-maker> sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[04:32] <Pie-maker> this should work if you have universal repositories enabled
[04:33] <Pie-maker> you need to type that command into a console
[04:35] <Riddell> Pie-maker: have you tried skim?
[04:35] <_joris> Pie-maker: thx a lot ;) for the hint
[04:35] <_joris> it works great
[04:36] <Chambers`> hey guys, will kubuntu let you play dvd's or is there a trick to it you have to do first?
[04:36] <Riddell> Chambers`: you need libdvdcss from marillat
[04:36] <Chambers`> ok thanks
[04:36] <Pie-maker> %c4 Riddell: Yes I'm working on getting skim compiled
[04:37] <Riddell> Pie-maker: cool, let us know how you get on
[04:37] <Pie-maker> ok
[05:02] <jarod501> est ce que j'cris bien
[05:02] <jarod501> oupsssssss
[05:09] <Chambers`> is kubuntu as fast as ubuntu?  Reason I ask is because i used to use Suse and it was really slow (that used kde)
[05:10] <Pie-maker>  Riddell: I'm having trouble with makeing scim 1.4.0. Scim is required to build skim 
[05:11] <Riddell> Pie-maker: install scim-dev
[05:11] <Riddell> (and please don't use IRC colours)
[05:11] <Pie-maker> from repo?
[05:12] <Pie-maker> i downloaded the scim tarball
[05:12] <_StarScream> Chambers`, erm...its plenty fast here...how much ram do you have?
[05:12] <Chambers`> 1.5 gigs
[05:12] <_StarScream> Chambers`, wow...thats a lot..KDE should fly
[05:13] <Chambers`> well suse was pretty slow to start up, that's why i asked :)
[05:13] <Pie-maker> have you used kubuntu yet chambers?
[05:13] <Riddell> Pie-maker: wow, we have a very old version of scim
[05:14] <Riddell> Pie-maker: what's the problem building scimi?
[05:14] <Riddell> Pie-maker: what's the problem building scim?
[05:14] <Chambers`> nope, only Ubuntu which i really liked, so I'm getting the live cd of kubuntu now
[05:14] <_StarScream> Chambers`, slow compared to suse with gnome?
[05:14] <Riddell> Chambers`: live CD will be slow :)
[05:14] <Pie-maker> riddell: I can configure. I get an error when I make.
[05:14] <Pie-maker> the first error I get is-- automake-1.9: html was already defined in condition !HAVE_DOXYGEN, which is included in condition TRUE ...
[05:14] <Chambers`> only used suse with kde, but i know people say kde is a resource hog
[05:16] <Pie-maker> chambers: kde and gnome steal similar amounts of resources. If  you don't need the features that they provide, then yes, kde is a resource hog
[05:16] <Chambers`> the torrent for the dvd is sloooooooooow :P
[05:17] <_StarScream> Chambers`, depends what  you were expecting...KDE tends to use a bit more ram sometimes but this is generally to make the UI more responsive.
[05:18] <_StarScream> i.e it remembers lists rather than re-generating etc..
[05:18] <Chambers`> gotcha
[05:27] <Pie-maker> riddell: I've tried almost everything I could think of. I've even looked into the scim channel (no responses). It looks like I'm going to need to go code hunting when I wake up after a nap I'm going to take now
[05:53] <testmad> hi
[05:53] <dutch> hello yourself !
[05:54] <testmad> is there a way to net install kubuntu?
[05:54] <dutch> I think so...I thought I had a net install  cd here some place
[05:55] <dutch> try google...I think that's where I found it 
[05:55] <testmad> k
[05:56] <dutch> i just checked google...it's there some where, but I don't have a link
[05:59] <dutch> or, you can install ubuntu and then install KDE from synaptic 
[06:02] <dutch> tesdmad: try this 1, http://ubuntu.cbn.net/Ubuntu-Release/kubuntu/hoardy/
[06:02] <dutch> net installs, live cd/dvd's, just about what ever your little heart desires :)
[06:03] <testmad> that link doesnt werk
[06:03] <dutch> oops..don't link on that one...spelling mistake near the end
[06:03] <gdh> Unknown host ubuntu.cbn.net
[06:04] <dutch> damn, and I just deleted firefox on the other box..
[06:04] <dutch> let me check again...
[06:04] <testmad> cus a net install of kubuntu would be  great.
[06:05] <dutch> i see the mistake now
[06:05] <QaDeS> hiyas
[06:05] <dutch> http://ubuntu.cbn.net.id/Ubuntu-Release/kubuntu/hoary/
[06:05] <dutch> try that one..
[06:06] <testmad> been there..thats the distro page
[06:06] <dutch> testmad: I assume you have a fast internet connection ?
[06:06] <testmad> yea
[06:06] <testmad> fast nuff
[06:06] <dutch> you can d/l the iso cd from there
[06:07] <testmad> yea..i got it already
[06:07] <dutch> burn it to a cd, and install the cd in cdrom, re-boot
[06:07] <testmad> looking for pure netinstall
[06:07] <dutch> okay, that's how I install kubuntu the first time
[06:07] <QaDeS> i'm a dork. installed plain ubuntu and now don't get my beloved menu entries in kde :o/ is there a way to create them automagically?
[06:07] <dutch> not that I know of 
[06:07] <testmad> and is there a way to get konqueror to support flash?
[06:08] <dutch> QaDeS: have you tried using synaptic to install KDE ?
[06:08] <testmad> cus when i tell it to identify as netscape, it still doesnt werk
[06:08] <dutch> let me know it you find a way..I have to use firefox for flash
[06:08] <testmad> yea..i installed firefox off kynaptic last nite and it messed some stuff up
[06:09] <testmad> im bout to reinstall
[06:09] <dutch> I install firefox from the terminal
[06:09] <testmad> d/l the pkg?
[06:09] <dutch> it seems to  work okay now 
[06:09] <dutch> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[06:09] <QaDeS> dutch, yea, that's the way i did it
[06:09] <testmad> i just dont like firefox
[06:10] <dutch> I use kong most of the time...but if I want to get the news on msnbc, I use firefox
[06:10] <testmad> all i want is  access to the doom3 site
[06:11] <testmad> well..im off to reinstall
[06:11] <QaDeS> also, i don't get all the languages i installed support for :o/
[06:11] <testmad> bbl
[06:12] <dutch> have fun...
[06:12] <QaDeS> there was an error in kdenetwork-admin or so. might be there's some post-install thingy yet to run?
[06:16] <dutch> check the /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:16] <dutch> if you see us./archive in there, remove the us., save, and apt-get update
[06:18] <QaDeS> it's all de. archives ^^
[06:19] <QaDeS> and de is what i don't get ;)
[06:19] <QaDeS> is there something like debconf that should be run after installs?
[06:19] <dutch> don't know...real newbie myself
[06:20] <QaDeS> ok
[06:20] <QaDeS> but the empty menu really sucks :o/
[06:36] <_dylan> which is better:  GNOME or KDE?  i find kde a little slow...
[06:37] <_joris> how do i fix this problem with apache? var/www/ is the dir, where the website-files should be put, but when i try to put files into it it says permission denied.... :'(
[06:37] <mats> KDE is just fine ;) Gnomeand KDE uses more memory then black-/fluxbox
[06:38] <mart> _joris: make sure the permissions on the files are right
[06:38] <_dylan> how do i totally remove GNOME, then?
[06:38] <mart> _joris: the webserver needs to read them, so make sure 'everyone' has read access
[06:39] <mats> apt-get remove kde-desktop or something ;)
[06:39] <mart> _joris: sorry, in konqueror properties it's 'Others' not 'Everyone'
[06:40] <mats> _dylan: you can install more wms .. no need for removing kde.
[06:41] <Sho_> Does Kubuntu have OpenSSH (and thus sshd) in its default install?
[06:41] <mart> Sho_: don't think so
[06:42] <Dhraak[knoppix] > what does the kubuntu installer do in terms of partitioning?
[06:42] <Sho_> mart: damn
[06:42] <mart> Sho_: but it's in main
[06:43] <Sho_> mart: Main being on the CD? I'm faced with the task of doing remote assistance for a friend and anything complex I need to explain is bad
[06:43] <Dhraak[knoppix] > (having already backed up ~, resized the mostly unused XP partition, and blown away everything else)
[06:44] <mart> Sho_: don't know if it's on the CD, you'd have to check the manifest.  I suspect not.  is using kynaptic really that hard to explain? :)
[06:45] <Sho_> mart: Since I have never seen Kynaptic personally: possibly
[06:45] <Dhraak[knoppix] > any tips for a gentoo user switching to kubuntu?
[06:45] <Sho_> mart: Is an "apt-get install openssh" going to succeed? ;)
[06:45] <mart> just ssh
[06:45] <mats> Sho_: sshd
[06:46] <Sho_> And he needs to sudo that, right?
[06:46] <mats> yes
[06:46] <Sho_> no root and all?
[06:46] <Sho_> hmkay
[06:46] <mart> there is no sshd
[06:46] <mart> it's in ssh
[06:46] <mart> apt-get install ssh, and it should ask if you want to start the sshd server
[06:47] <Sho_> oook ..
[06:47] <mart> oh, there is openssh-server an oopenssh-client, don't know if they're in hoary
[06:48] <mart> yes, they are
[06:48] <testmad> whats the web address to the backports/restricted?
[06:48] <Sho_> mart: As long as Linux is so hard to use, sshd should be included in every default install IMO
[06:48] <Sho_> Newbies just need a friend to be able to do remote assistance via ssh
[06:49] <testmad> im a newbie and wont touch remote assistance
[06:49] <Dhraak[knoppix] > heh
[06:49] <mart> Sho_: no good complaining to me, it's not my decision
[06:49] <Sho_> yeah, just ranting a bit
[06:49] <testmad> anyways..web adddy for backport/restricted pls?
[06:49] <Dhraak[knoppix] > hmm
[06:50] <Sho_> now he's getting "starting openbsd secure shell server failed" - wohoo ..
[06:50] <Dhraak[knoppix] > what does the kubuntu installer do in terms of partitioning?
[06:50] <mart> Dhraak[knoppix] : there's a "Do what you think is sensible" option for newbies
[06:51] <Dhraak[knoppix] > heh
[06:51] <mart> Dhraak[knoppix] : or you can use the partioner to create, delete and format
[06:51] <Dhraak[knoppix] > I can never decide how I want to partition things
[06:51] <Dhraak[knoppix] > I have 70GB available
[06:51] <Dhraak[knoppix] > (shrinking the XP partition from 30GB to 10GB felt sooooo good)
[06:52] <mart> Dhraak[knoppix] : I've been using linux for 10+ years, and I'm only just beginning to figure out partitioning schemes that work for me...
[06:52] <mart> I think I try to hard.
[06:53] <mart> s/to/too/
[06:53] <Sho_> Any idea why sshd would fail to come up?
[06:54] <Dhraak[knoppix] > mart, I'm pondering 10GB /, 30GB /home, and 30GB audio/video
[06:54] <mart> Dhraak[knoppix] : yeah, depends where you compile stuff
[06:54] <Dhraak[knoppix] > heh
[06:55] <Dhraak[knoppix] > for gentoo, I just had ~40GB / (with everything), 512MB swap, and ~9GB misc
[06:55] <mart> Dhraak[knoppix] : I find partitioning affects the way I backup
[06:56] <Dhraak[knoppix] > the installer uses cfdisk, right?
[06:56] <Dhraak[knoppix] > heh
[06:56] <mart> Dhraak[knoppix] : don't think it's cfdisk
[06:56] <mart> it's more 'gui'
[06:56] <Dhraak[knoppix] > ooh
[06:56] <mart> but still text mode
[06:56] <Dhraak[knoppix] > ah
[06:56] <Dhraak[knoppix] > Curses!
[06:57] <mart> yeah, takes a moment to get used to, if you know cfdisk
[06:57] <Dhraak[knoppix] > other than resizing the ntfs partition with qtparted, all the partitioning I've done has been with cfdisk
[06:58] <teprrr> Riddell, so hmm, is kubuntu changing to gcc4 at the same time as debian?
[06:58] <mart> Dhraak[knoppix] : the hardest part is knowing what partitions are, and which ones you need, after that, partioners are much the same
[06:58] <mart> teprrr: Breezy is already on gcc4
[06:58] <Riddell> teprrr: kubuntu has already changed
[06:58] <gdh> same time as debian?  Make a note in your diary for summer 2008 :)
[06:59] <mart> heh :)
[06:59] <teprrr> hmm, breezy? next? :)
[06:59] <teprrr> gdh, debian is changing atm and is thus broken
[06:59] <mart> breezy will definately release before debian releases a new version with gcc4
[07:00] <gdh> we might see another ice age before Etch appears, mind =)
[07:01] <teprrr> so is breezy usable atm then?
[07:01] <Dhraak[knoppix] > which character was breezy?
[07:01] <gdh> Last I heard, it was encouraged to use breezy now
[07:01] <gdh> to help test + bugreport, etc.
[07:02] <gdh> Dhraak[knoppix] : Debian uses Toy Story - i have no idea what Ubuntu is using.. :)
[07:02] <mart> Dhraak[knoppix] : huh? I know debian names after Toy Story, what does ubuntu name after?
[07:02] <testmad> gdh: what do you have for the backports/restricted in your sources.list?
[07:02] <Dhraak[knoppix] > nm
[07:02] <bbailey> "dirty furry rooting critters" ?
[07:03] <mart> huge fire in newcastle right now.
[07:03] <gdh> testmad: Personally I am still on hoary :)
[07:03] <Dhraak[knoppix] > o/` A hedgehog can neverbe buggered at all o/`
[07:03] <gdh> not even carefully ...
[07:03] <Dhraak[knoppix] > gotta love Pratchett
[07:04] <Dhraak[knoppix] > when is the next version likely to be out?
[07:04] <gdh> October.
[07:04] <Dhraak[knoppix] > okay
[07:04] <gdh> April + October :)
[07:04] <Dhraak[knoppix] > a tad long to wait
[07:04] <Dhraak[knoppix] > so I will be using the 5.04 install CD
[07:05] <Dhraak[knoppix] > at any rate, I should probably stop dallying around on freenode and actually reboot and install
[07:05] <mart> Dhraak[knoppix] : yeah, you can always dist-upgrade before October then if you get desparate
[07:05] <Dhraak[knoppix] > what's the time estimate on a 2.4GHz p4?
[07:05] <Dhraak[knoppix] > mart, that's like emerge -uav world, right?  !;)
[07:06] <othernoob> 15 minutes maybe? 
[07:06] <Dhraak[knoppix] > hmm
[07:06] <Dhraak[knoppix] > hmm
[07:06] <mart> Dhraak[knoppix] : yeah, except you don't have to wait 4 days :)
[07:06] <Dhraak[knoppix] > mart, well, I try to emerge -uavt every week or so
[07:07] <Dhraak[knoppix] > to avoid the 4-day compiles
[07:07] <Skaag> anyone managed to get a QuickCam 4000 working?
[07:07] <Dhraak[knoppix] > I went with x86 except for specific packages marked ~x86 in my /etc/portage/package.keywords
[07:08] <mart> not since the lets compile everything 'full optimisation' even if it goes slower that way days...
[07:08] <gdh> Skaag: I had one which broke, if that helps? :)
[07:08] <Dhraak[knoppix] > kde 3.4.1 is available for kubuntu, right?
[07:08] <mart> y
[07:08] <Skaag> but when it was working, was it working under linux?
[07:08] <gdh> Skaag: I used to use it with the binary-only 'pwcx' driver on Debian - worked fine
[07:08] <Skaag> ah checking
[07:08] <gdh> Skaag: then I tried with Kubuntu and the free pwc driver and only got interference / static from the camer
[07:08] <gdh> Skaag: I tried it in windows, and got the same thing - the camera must've goot dropped / knackered when we moved house :|
[07:09] <Skaag> aha!
[07:10] <Dhraak[knoppix] > okay... gonna reboot and install
[07:18] <teprrr> so, is breezy usable atm? or is x still broken? :)
[07:18] <othernoob> teprrr: what does the topic in #ubuntu say?
[07:19] <teprrr> don't know.. yet.
[07:19] <teprrr> so it's broken :)
[07:19] <othernoob> lol ;)
[07:21] <testmad> has anyone gotten flash to werk right on konquerer?
[07:21] <aseigo> yep
[07:21] <teprrr> testmad, yup, works fine here
[07:21] <testmad> how?
[07:21] <teprrr> though I've debian.. :P
[07:21] <aseigo> you have to use the NS4 plugin version though
[07:22] <testmad> tell conquere to id as ns4?
[07:22] <testmad> and itll werk?
[07:22] <othernoob> no, it'll never werk :p
[07:23] <testmad> ok..not werkin
[07:23] <testmad> brb
[07:24] <testmad> upgraded all pachages..
[07:24] <aseigo> no, you don't tell it to id as ns4
[07:24] <testmad> ok?
[07:24] <testmad> thne how?
[07:24] <testmad> noob here
[07:24] <othernoob> i think he didn't get the joke...
[07:24] <testmad> pls explain
[07:24] <aseigo> what you do is you install the flash plugin and ensure konqueror can see it in the plugins config page in Settings -> Configure Konqueror
[07:24] <testmad> the mozilla flash plugins right?
[07:29] <teprrr> :)
[07:30] <aseigo> no, not the mozilla flash plugins. the NS4 flash plugins.
[07:42] <Dhraakellian> okay... it's up and running
[07:42] <Dhraakellian> but ew!ew!ew! 640x480 at 60Hz!
[07:42] <teprrr> hmm, what could cause kde to hang when checking for peripherals or something like that shows up in splash?
[07:43] <teprrr> well, whole x restarts itself after being some time on that
[07:44] <Dhraakellian> how might I get a higher resolution on here without going and grabbing my xorg.conf that I backed up from my gentoo installation?
[07:44] <Dhraakellian> or would that be the best option
[07:44] <Dhraakellian> ?
[07:44] <thoreauputic> Dhraakellian: try running ` sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg `
[07:46] <Dhraakellian> how long should this take?
[07:46] <thoreauputic> Dhraakellian: umm... that command should ask you questions that you answer - not long
[07:48] <Dhraakellian> okay... removed the backticks
[07:55] <B-L> converting to kde is screwing my system up :(
[07:56] <B-L> i logged in as my girlfriend, because when i try to log in, it just hangs.  nothing ever comes up.
[07:58] <thoreauputic> B-L: I suggest you try renaming ~/.kde to say, .kde.bak and logging in again - you lose your personal settings, but it should at least work: you can put them back
[07:58] <thoreauputic> B-L: that's in *your* home dir, of course
[07:58] <B-L> thoreauputic, ahhh...smart
[08:00] <B-L> well, that worked
[08:00] <teprrr> woohoo, it works :)
[08:01] <Dhraakellian> hmm
[08:01] <thoreauputic> B-L: good - now you can debug which thing in .kde caused the trouble by gradually putting stuff back into .kde from .kde.bak (or just start again)
[08:01] <thoreauputic> I mean start from the defaults, of course...
[08:05] <testmad> ok..remind me to never update all the packages again
[08:14] <Ko_Onrad> Hi
[08:15] <Dhraakellian> hmm... it doesn't seem to want to let me go above 640x480
[08:15] <testmad> question..whats command to reconfiguree xorg?
[08:15] <Dhraakellian> 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' is the one that was mentioned to me a few minutes ago
[08:16] <testmad> k..thats what i thought..couldnt remember tho
[08:16] <testmad> thnx
[08:16] <thoreauputic> Dhraakellian: you might try selecting  a lower clour depth like 16 instead of 24
[08:16] <thoreauputic> *colour
[08:17] <Dhraakellian> heh
[08:17] <testmad> what is 128MB in kB?
[08:17] <Dhraakellian> on that note, what is a reasonable amount of memory for such things?
[08:17] <Dhraakellian> (intel integrated graphics)
[08:18] <testmad> depends on how much system memory you got
[08:18] <thoreauputic> testmad: 128 * 1024 I suppose
[08:19] <Dhraakellian> 131072
[08:20] <testmad> so you basicly got 128 MB RAM
[08:20] <testmad> hmm
[08:21] <testmad> thats a hard one
[08:21] <ray_> sup test
[08:21] <testmad> hey..not much
[08:21] <Dhraakellian> no, I have 768MB
[08:21] <ray_> still tweaking?
[08:21] <testmad> trying to figure out what 128MB is in kB
[08:21] <Dhraakellian> I was responding to the math question
[08:21] <ray_> 128,000
[08:21] <Dhraakellian> testmad: 131072
[08:21] <testmad> k
[08:21] <Dhraakellian> ray_: KiB
[08:21] <Dhraakellian> !;)
[08:21] <ubotu> Dhraakellian: Are you smoking crack?
[08:21] <Dhraakellian> no
[08:22] <ray_> i am
[08:22] <Dhraakellian> why, was my math off?
[08:22] <Ko_Onrad> Someone here who has installed qt4 (-dev)? I can't find those packages and compiling the `official' .tar.gz fails. :(
[08:22] <thoreauputic> Dhraakellian: heh - ubotu is a bot who responds to the !
[08:22] <Dhraakellian> heh
[08:22] <Dhraakellian> having lurked in #amarok so much, one would assume that I'd catch such things
[08:23] <Dhraakellian> ubotu: are you a bot?
[08:23] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Dhraakellian
[08:23] <Dhraakellian> hmm
[08:23] <testmad> yes
[08:23] <Dhraakellian> testmad: just seeing how it'd respond
[08:23] <testmad> Dhraakellian: when playing with onboard gfx..you gotta balace between system and video
[08:24] <testmad> i would say split in half
[08:24] <testmad> 64 and 64
[08:24] <Dhraakellian> testmad: heh... no, I have 768MB RAM
[08:24] <testmad> but..thats no good for any gaming
[08:24] <testmad> ok.
[08:24] <testmad> k.
[08:24] <Dhraakellian> the 131072 was in answer to the multiplication question
[08:24] <testmad> then give the vid 128
[08:24] <testmad> and 512 to system
[08:25] <testmad> should i load GLcore?
[08:25] <Dhraakellian> testmad: and squirrel away the otther 128MB?  !;)
[08:25] <testmad> err..sorry..my math is off
[08:27] <Dhraakellian> actually, I'm just gonna flip through stuff again and let it restart X
[08:28] <Dhraakellian> hmm
[08:29] <Dhraakellian> mrr.... no fish?
[08:32] <testmad> ok..
[08:32] <Dhraakellian> nm.  using the actual address instead of the hostname
[08:32] <testmad> y is it that after i config xorg all my fonts come back huge?
[08:33] <Dhraakellian> wrong dpi?
[08:34] <testmad> i dunno
[08:34] <dell500> how do you upgrade firmware in linux for a DVD drive??
[08:34] <gdh> dell500: generally you don't. complain to your manufacturer :)
[08:35] <dell500> are you serious?
[08:36] <dell500> so you can't upgrade firmware without windows, mac osx or 9?!
[08:36] <gdh> yes. If the manufacturer has provided a stupid .exe all-in-one updater program
[08:36] <gdh> then you have to use a windows PC
[08:36] <dell500> what a crock
[08:36] <gdh> Yup.
[08:36] <gdh> Had that prob with aPhilips drive, but I expect most manufr.s are the same
[08:37] <dell500> well shizzle
[08:37] <dell500> time for a shower i guess
[08:38] <Dhraakellian> okay, I backed up the xorg.conf I had here and copied over the one that I had backed up from my gentoo intallation
[08:38] <testmad> ok..im officially peeved
[08:41] <Dhraakellian> hmm... doesn't appear to have worked
[08:42] <Dhraakellian> I *know* I've had this thing at 1600x1200 before
[08:42] <testmad> pls help me..
[08:42] <testmad> these fonts are huge and im not that blind
[08:44] <teprrr> http://pastebin.com/315147 -- is there anything I can do?
[08:44] <Dhraakellian> testmad: iirc, putting the screen size in the xorg.conf helps with that
[08:45] <testmad> where?
[08:45] <Dhraakellian> narf...
[08:46] <Dhraakellian> highlighting in vim isn't copying
[08:46] <Dhraakellian> Section "Monitor"
[08:46] <testmad> ok
[08:46] <testmad> im at 1280x1024 right now
[08:46] <testmad> just the fonts are huge.
[08:47] <Dhraakellian>    DisplaySize   365  273   : mm
[08:47] <Dhraakellian> um...
[08:47] <Dhraakellian> # instead of :
[08:47] <Dhraakellian> is what I have
[08:47] <testmad> k
[08:47] <Dhraakellian> for a 19" IBM P92
[08:47] <Dhraakellian> ymmv
[08:47] <Dhraakellian> !;)
[08:47] <ubotu> Dhraakellian: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:49] <jesusfish> what is the version of kubuntu after hoary, and is it possibile to upgrade to that without severly messing one's system up?
[08:49] <other|study> breezy
[08:50] <other|study> and yes. but not yet. x is broken
[08:50] <jesusfish> how stable is it?
[08:50] <other|study> jesusfish: just wait till october till its official release
[08:50] <jesusfish> cuz hoary isn't get new package updates, right?
[08:51] <other|study> just security updates
[08:51] <jesusfish> other|study: well, my hoary isn't that stable anyways
[08:51] <other|study> meaning..
[08:52] <jesusfish> other|study: well, it's prolly more KDE, but various KDE apps crash all the time
[08:52] <jesusfish> other|study: would running breezy be similar to running Debian unstable?
[08:52] <Dhraakellian> hrm
[08:52] <teprrr> other|study, atm yes
[08:52] <teprrr> other|study, as borh are broken :)
[08:53] <other|study> heh, teprrr i didn't ask :p
[08:53] <jesusfish> oh wait....I don't think I'm using hoary's KDE packages anyways
[08:53] <other|study> jesusfish: which kde version?
[08:53] <teprrr> other|study, you should talk on query if you don't want other people to disturb your discussions.. :P
[08:53] <jesusfish> 3.4.1
[08:54] <jesusfish> oh, they are hoary's kde packages
[08:54] <other|study> teprrr: that's no prob, but jesusfish asked the questions and you directed the answers at me ;)
[08:55] <other|study> i thought 3.4.1 was supposed to fix some crashes..
[08:55] <jesusfish> I used to run Deb unstable
[08:55] <jesusfish> other|study: ya, so did I
[08:55] <other|study> maybe teprrr knows more about that :p
[08:55] <jesusfish> hehe
[08:55] <other|study> teprrr: aren't you a kde developer? :p
[08:55] <jesusfish> the 2.6.11 kernel has serious issues with my system as well
[08:56] <bbailey> I'd be very happy if ubuntu unstable was as stable as debian unstable, heh
[08:56] <Jeezis> jesusfish: same here, i am just sticking with 2.6.10-5
[08:56] <Dhraakellian> hrm
[08:56] <jesusfish> Jeezis: ya, that's what I use for now
[08:56] <other|study> jesusfish: you're not supposed to use the 2.6.11
[08:56] <Jeezis> jesusfish: had major stability issues
[08:56] <other|study> it's broken..the ubuntu people didn't fix it
[08:56] <jesusfish> other|study: I think apt-get update installed it, I didn't actually intend to
[08:56] <jesusfish> dist-upgrade, that is
[08:57] <Dhraakellian> so... how to get the resolution up to something bearable?
[08:57] <teprrr> other|study, uh, om
[08:57] <Jeezis> Dhraakellian: what is it at now?
[08:57] <teprrr> other|study, yup, akregator devel actually..
[08:57] <jesusfish> other|study: how do I config grub to use .10 by default?  I'm used to Lilo
[08:57] <Dhraakellian> 640x480
[08:58] <Dhraakellian> I had it up to 1600x1200 before I blew away my gentoo installation
[08:58] <Jeezis> Dhraakellian: damn, do you have the drivers for your video card installed?
[08:59] <Jeezis> never tried gentoo, went from red hat 9 to mandrake to debian to ubuntu to kubuntu :-p
[08:59] <Dhraakellian> Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Device
[09:00] <Dhraakellian> that's what I have, I believe
[09:00] <Jeezis> oo, i haven't had any experience with intel graphics cards
[09:00] <other|study> jesusfish: i'm not a grub expert
[09:00] <mart> 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[09:01] <Jeezis> mart: how do you check that?
[09:01] <mart> lspci
[09:01] <Jeezis> ah ok
[09:01] <jesusfish> hmmmm
[09:02] <Jeezis> yeah, i have an ati radeon 320m
[09:02] <jesusfish> maybe 2.6.11 was working for me...it's what I compiled LIRC under
[09:02] <Jeezis> glxgears was only giving me aroun 168 fps >_<
[09:02] <Dhraakellian> 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[09:04] <Jeezis> 0000:01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1
[09:04] <Dhraakellian> woah... kcontrol just crashed on startu
[09:04] <Dhraakellian> p
[09:05] <testmad> kewl
[09:05] <testmad> this is better
[09:05] <testmad> changed dpi to 96 and its all good again
[09:05] <Jeezis> it's so nice to watch synaptic as it downloads and installs things flawlessly
[09:06] <testmad> heh..is nice till you upgrade kernels
[09:06] <testmad> everytime ive upgraded or switched i always end up in console
[09:06] <Jeezis> which is why i'm sticking to 2.6.10-5 :-p
[09:11] <Dhraakellian> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[09:11] <Dhraakellian> hrm
[09:11] <segfault2k> breezy is still broken?
[09:13] <Dhraakellian> hrm... installing gvim means installing gnome stuff?
[09:15] <teprrr> whee, got it working.. I had no shell installed and thus it didn't work
[09:30] <Mez> what's a good CD "backup" tool ?
[09:30] <Mez> for KDE?
[09:30] <Dhraakellian> how would I go about forcing this thing to a higher resolution?
[09:30] <jesusfish> where the heck does Kubuntu get it's list of modules to load and such?
[09:30] <Dhraakellian> Mez:, you looking for a burner app or something else?
[09:31] <jesusfish> I tried editing discover.conf, but it did not skip the modules I told it to skip
[09:31] <Dhraakellian> for burning, I'd say k3b
[09:31] <Mez> Dhraakellian, noo... I maintain k3b, just want to rip them to my PC :D
[09:31] <Dhraakellian> hehheh
[09:31] <Dhraakellian> aaah
[09:31] <Mez> First time I've bought a CD in ages, so, well - I havent "ripped" any since I moved to linux :D
[09:31] <Dhraakellian> kaudiocreator?
[09:32] <Mez> I mean I know I can drag ogg files off it, but it seems pretty slow
[09:32] <Dhraakellian> drag'n'drop from audiocd:/?
[09:32] <Mez> yeah
[09:32] <Dhraakellian> there's also grip
[09:32] <Dhraakellian> kaudiocreator would be the one for KDE
[09:33] <Mez> yeah, but drag and drop from audiocd is a bit slow :D
[09:34] <Mez> ~I mean, a lot of programs in windows will rip a CD for me in a few minutes... and I'm sure that something in KDE can do the same
[09:34] <Dhraakellian> heh
[09:34] <Dhraakellian> I think the audiocd ioslave uses cdparanoia
[09:35] <Mez> Dhraakellian, kcontrol -> Peripherals -> display
[09:35] <Dhraakellian> Mez:, hah! don't I wish!
[09:35] <Mez> Dhraakellian, What's the problem with that
[09:35] <Dhraakellian> 640x480 and 60Hz are the only options listed
[09:38] <Dhraakellian> xorg.conf has a lot more than just 640x480 listed
[09:51] <ray_> any of u guys know of a good dvd ripper?
[09:51] <ray_> or copyer
[09:51] <Dhraakellian> check kde-apps.org perhaps?
[09:53] <testmad> Dhraakellian: got one for you
[09:53] <testmad> 1280-1024 dpi at 433x347
[09:54] <testmad> that 75x75dpi
[09:57] <ermac`> does anyone know how i can run the photoshop installer with wine?
[09:57] <testmad> what version of photoshop?
[09:57] <ermac`> CS2
[09:57] <testmad> doesnt werk
[09:57] <ermac`> no?
[09:57] <ermac`> wich then?
[09:57] <testmad> no
[09:58] <ermac`> wich should work
[09:58] <testmad> i thnik 7.0 does
[09:58] <ermac`> ok
[09:58] <ermac`> then i'll search it somewhere
[09:58] <ermac`> do you know a mirror?
[09:58] <testmad> nope
[09:58] <ermac`> k
[09:58] <testmad> sorry
[09:58] <ermac`> np
[09:58] <testmad> i dual boot for my ps
[09:58] <ermac`> fuck then i downloaded 330mb for nothing :(
[09:59] <Mez> ermac`, watch you're language
[09:59] <ermac`> sorry...
[10:01] <testmad> y is it that i cant get flas to werk with konqueror
[10:01] <testmad> this blows
[10:11] <ubuntu> hello 
[10:11] <ubuntu> how can i modprobe a module from a live ubuntu cd ??? please help...
[10:12] <ubuntu> come on .... somebody must know
[10:12] <fromoze_away> you can't
[10:12] <ubuntu> fromoze: are you sure???
[10:13] <fromoze> ubuntu: ;)
[10:13] <fromoze> i don't understan the cuestion
[10:13] <ubuntu> i want to install a module
[10:13] <ubuntu> ie: speedstep-centrino 
[10:13] <ubuntu> modprobe speedstep-centrino
[10:13] <fromoze> from the live-cd to a hdd instalation?
[10:13] <ubuntu> no
[10:13] <ubuntu> just the live cd
[10:14] <fromoze> then 
[10:14] <fromoze> do:
[10:14] <fromoze> modprobe -l | grep centrino to get the exactly name
[10:14] <ubuntu> i have the exact name
[10:14] <fromoze> and sudo modprobe speedstep-centrino
[10:15] <ubuntu> thank you
[10:15] <fromoze> pasword: ubuntu  or morphix or not asked
[10:15] <ubuntu> still ... it fails ... the i can't get cpufreq to work on my centrino laptop
[10:15] <fromoze> what error?
[10:16] <ubuntu> No such device
[10:16] <ubuntu> :) I'm pretty sure there is such a device :))
[10:16] <fromoze> I think powernowd do the work for centrino too.. i use it for my amd64
[10:17] <fromoze> do: less /proc/cpufreq
[10:18] <ubuntu> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1600MHz
[10:18] <ubuntu> cpu MHz         : 598.529
[10:18] <fromoze> to see if it's configure cpufreq step, I don't know about centrino.. but it works on amd
[10:18] <fromoze> then, you've cpufreq working, no?
[10:19] <ubuntu> cpufreq can't work if i don't have the module running 
[10:19] <fromoze> not necesary
[10:20] <fromoze> new kernels do it :)
[10:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> does kde have something equivalent to esd on gnome, so that multiple apps (and users) can use sound simultaneously?
[10:21] <fromoze> arts BROKEN_LADDER 
[10:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> my onboard audio is pretty minimal.
[10:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do i set that up?
[10:21] <fromoze> it must work by default
[10:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> and can i make gnome apps use it?
[10:21] <fromoze> yes
[10:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> it works  by default?
[10:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> uhh..
[10:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's not working for me.
[10:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> only one user can use sound at a time
[10:22] <fromoze> gnome-audio/sound-control something like that permets you to choice auido daemon to use
[10:23] <fromoze> may be you're using esd and arts at same time == problems
[10:26] <aseigo> BROKEN_LADDER: yeah, linux audio kind of sucks like that
[10:27] <fromoze> aseigo: I'm really happy with my sb live!  :P
[10:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't think i'm running esd..lemme check
[10:27] <testmad> how do you keep konqueror from opening new tabs?
[10:27] <aseigo> fromoze: heh .. well, linux audio is hella better than it was 5 years ago ... but we still have a ways to do =)
[10:28] <fromoze> aseigo: I now, it's why I never use the system sounds xD
[10:28] <aseigo> testmad: Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Web Behaviour -> unchck "Open Links in new tab instead of in new window"
[10:29] <testmad> well..see..im at a flash site that has age verification..and it opens in a new tab..when i submit my age..nothing happens to the main site
[10:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> also, when setting keyboard shortcuts in kde, i can't get it to recognize my "multimedia" keys at the top of my keyboard.
[10:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> those were handy for playing music and stuff.
[10:29] <testmad> this is the Doom3 site..not prono
[10:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> it was simple in gnome
[10:30] <fromoze> aseigo: But I want to say that sound hardware is going wrost these days... on-board chips are really bad stuff :/
[10:30] <fromoze> BROKEN_LADDER: In kde is easier 
[10:30] <fromoze> BROKEN_LADDER: What's your keyboard model?
[10:32] <fromoze> BROKEN_LADDER: Control Center --> Regional Setting --> keyboard layout : use keyboard layout and look for the model of your keyboard, if isn't there, just choice the more similar.
[10:33] <fromoze> well.. i'm using spanish-kde, then the names of sections can be wrong
[10:34] <fromoze> for the unknown keys you can configure them in the section some english user can tell you xD
[10:34] <aseigo> fromoze: indeed
[10:35] <fromoze> in gnome my Genius Keyboard only get the volume control working... in kde all the keys works like a charm -- DCOP RULEZZZ
[10:38] <teprrr> hmm, where can I find libc6 package?
[10:38] <teprrr> I haven't ever been able to make my multimedia keys to work with kde...
[10:38] <teprrr> but yes, with gnome they work easily :P
[10:38] <teprrr> no kkeyinputdialog recognize them without hazzling around with xmodmap and such
[10:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm trying to eliminate the idea of "windows"
[10:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> every program i run, i try to keep borderless and maximized.
[10:39] <kalenedrael> hmm
[10:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think it would be a very good evolution in desktop design.
[10:39] <fromoze> teprrr: I thinked my multimedia keys won't work ever, but once I try to configure the keyboard by DCOP all was ok :)
[10:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> windows make no sense.
[10:40] <teprrr> fromoze, by dcop? um
[10:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's that?  DCOP?
[10:40] <fromoze> DCOP.. I a powerfull thin xD
[10:40] <teprrr> BROKEN_LADDER, I think ion does something like that
[10:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> what is ion?
[10:40] <fromoze> wmii to
[10:40] <teprrr> windowmanager
[10:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh..
[10:40] <teprrr> dcop is communication protocol used by kde
[10:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just have one panel, the one at the top with my application menubar on it, as well as the kde menu on it, and a few handy applets, and a window list button.
[10:41] <fromoze> yes, and you can control any program on kde by the terminal
[10:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> woah
[10:41] <fromoze> more or less like me BROKEN_LADDER 
[10:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> there must be way more people working on kde than on gnome
[10:41] <teprrr> yup, but I still don't understand what you meant by configiring it by dcop :)
[10:42] <fromoze> in quick keys on kde, you can associate key to a dcop command
[10:42] <fromoze> hot-keys
[10:42] <fromoze> I'm translating from spanish, sorry xD
[10:43] <teprrr> yes I know..
[10:43] <teprrr> but the problem is that kde doesn't recognize my buttons
[10:43] <fromoze> wich layout are you using?
[10:44] <teprrr> some standard one
[10:44] <fromoze> then kde won't look to the multimedia keys
[10:44] <Dhraakellian> so, what things should I try now in an attempt to get the resolution higher?
[10:45] <teprrr> fromoze, um, and gnome works fine?
[10:45] <fromoze> yes, gnome is senseless xD
[10:45] <teprrr> uh, great
[10:45] <teprrr> still those keys doesn't work for me
[10:46] <ermac`> can someone help me?
[10:46] <fromoze> have you the model of your keyboard?
[10:46] <teprrr> well, I can get them working with lineak, but it's one more thing to take care of
[10:46] <teprrr> yup, logitech's ultrax flat
[10:46] <ermac`> why do i get the error: could not initialize vbox, when i start photoshop.exe in wine?
[10:46] <fromoze> the more thing configure it with hotkeys :)
[10:46] <fromoze> isn't too hard
[10:47] <fromoze> Dhraakellian: left-button on the wallpaper and configure display?
[10:47] <lokito> any know how can i control the upload of my coneccion  on kubuntu?
[10:47] <teprrr> lokito, control by which means+
[10:48] <Dhraakellian> fromoze, first thing I tried
[10:48] <Dhraakellian> it only shows 640x480 and 60Hz
[10:48] <lokito> ftp teprrr
[10:48] <fromoze> Dhraakellian: change your xorg.conf?
[10:48] <ermac`> why do i get the error: could not initialize vbox, when i start photoshop.exe in wine?
[10:48] <teprrr> lokito, your client doesn't support limiting?
[10:48] <teprrr> lokito, or is it server?
[10:48] <lokito> server
[10:49] <lokito> i use proftpd
[10:49] <Dhraakellian> fromoze, I have higher resolutions listed for every color depth
[10:49] <fromoze> ermac`: are you sure wine supports photoshop? 
[10:49] <teprrr> um, and it doesn't support limiting?
[10:49] <fromoze> Dhraakellian: And the monitor configuration?? 
[10:49] <gdh> fromoze: Wine runs Pshop 7 fine - no idea about CS1/CS2
[10:49] <teprrr> trickle can limit any app, but I don't know if it's good idea to use with ftp server.. :P
[10:49] <lokito> i hope so
[10:50] <ermac`> fromoze, wine started the installation and ended it without any problem so normallly it should work and friends of me have it running to..
[10:50] <lokito> ppl is killing my upload
[10:50] <Dhraakellian> hmm
[10:50] <lokito> 125kb +
[10:50] <fromoze> Dhraakellian: the refresh of your monitor is very important to get the resolution
[10:50] <Dhraakellian> fromoze, yeah... I try pasting in the section from my old xorg.conf
[10:51] <Dhraakellian> right... no gvim
[10:51] <fromoze> Dhraakellian: but is ok the refresh?
[10:51] <ermac`> fromoze, wine started the installation and ended it without any problem so normallly it should work and friends of me have it running to..
[10:52] <Dhraakellian> the only resolution available is 640x480; the only refresh rate available is 60Hz
[10:52] <Dhraakellian> I know for a fact that this monitor can do 1600x1200 at 75Hz
[10:52] <fromoze> ermac`: I don't use wine neither photoshop, I can't help you. Just try to get a tip about.
[10:52] <ermac`> Dhraakellian, did you already change your colordepth? it should be 16 if you have that problem
[10:53] <fromoze> ermac`: have you try gimp or krita? may be you don't need photoshop (just other tip ;) )
[10:53] <ermac`> ok fromoze 
[10:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> konquerer won't save a web folder unless it can connect to it at the time of creation!? BAH
[10:53] <Dhraakellian> emac, I believe I did try that
[10:53] <ermac`> hehe i dunno, the gimp looks crap
[10:53] <Dhraakellian> and I put it back when it didn't work
[10:53] <ermac`> uhu
[10:53] <fromoze> ermac`: and krita? ;)
[10:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone use kmail?  can it be set to actually "move" emails from one directory to another instead of marking deleted and copying; as well as being able to move a message to the trash istead of just marking it deleted?
[10:53] <ermac`> dunno never seen it
[10:54] <ermac`> wath site fromoze?
[10:54] <MacManX> I have a quick newbie-ish question about running fsck.  Anyone up to it?
[10:54] <teprrr> BROKEN_LADDER, yes
[10:54] <fromoze> BROKEN_LADDER: creates filters to do it
[10:54] <teprrr> I've filters which move all spam to spam folder
[10:54] <ermac`> Dhraakellian, did you add the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines too??
[10:54] <fromoze> ermac`:  you need to do that http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice-14.php
[10:55] <Dhraakellian> emac, I'm now copying over monitor stuff from my old xorg.conf
[10:55] <fromoze> and info about on the site of koffice
[10:55] <ermac`> ok fromoze 
[10:55] <Dhraakellian> dunno why I didn't think to do that earlier
[10:55] <ermac`> because you didn't knew that?
[10:55] <ermac`> just a guess
[10:55] <Dhraakellian> heh
[10:56] <Dhraakellian> don't know why I didn't think to compare the two and see what was missing from the one
[10:56] <ermac`> fromoze, ive got koffice already..
[10:56] <Dhraakellian> maybe it was because I tried the old one and it didn't work
[10:56] <ermac`> ;)
[10:57] <Dhraakellian> okay, brb
[10:58] <ermac`> fromoze, where can i get the krita-stuff?
[10:58] <fromoze> ermac`: sudo apt-get krita?
[10:58] <ermac`> didn't work
[10:58] <Dhraakellian> narfing smeg
[10:58] <Dhraakellian> it didn't work
[10:58] <ermac`> i updated the sources list as well
[10:58] <ermac`> oh ok sorry then Dhraakellian 
[10:58] <fromoze> do you introduce koffice 3.4.1 sources?
[10:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> teprrr i'm not talking about filtering
[10:59] <ermac`> how you mean fromoze?
[10:59] <fromoze> koffice 1.4 sorry :$
[10:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> teprrr i'm saying ,if i move a message from inbox to amikoj, i want it to move the fuckin message, not copy it and mark the inbox copy as deleted.  that is annoying.
[10:59] <worzel> Dhraakellian, in xorg.conf section 'Screen'
[10:59] <MacManX> Will running fsck from Konsole on the current startup drive cause any problems? 
[10:59] <Dhraakellian> worzel, eh?
[10:59] <fromoze> BROKEN_LADDER: I get the move option doing that...
[10:59] <worzel> does it actually name your monitor
[11:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> also, if i delete a message, i want it to be moved to a specified directory, say "trash", and then deleted from the current directory, so that it appears to be moved to trash, not just marked deleted.
[11:00] <Dhraakellian> in the section "Monitor", it does
[11:00] <worzel> how about section Screen
[11:00] <Dhraakellian> oh, yeah
[11:00] <Dhraakellian> in both
[11:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> fromoze in thunderbird or evolution if you do that, it appears to work, but then if you go to your web mail, you'll see that the original message is still there just marked deleted.
[11:00] <worzel> another idea gone!!
[11:01] <Dhraakellian> okay, well, I'm gonna restart X again now
[11:01] <fromoze> BROKEN_LADDER: you must activate the delete the server message
[11:01] <Jeezis> i am so in love with kubuntu :-p
[11:01] <Jeezis> it just pwnz all 
[11:01] <fromoze> BROKEN_LADDER: I'm worng
[11:02] <worzel> other options, add DisplaySize to monitor
[11:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> worng?
[11:02] <MacManX> Will running fsck from Konsole on the current startup drive cause any problems?
[11:02] <fromoze> BROKEN_LADDER: You need to desactivate the option 
[11:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> wicked!
[11:03] <fromoze> see on the server configuration
[11:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do i set gnome programs that use gstreamer, like rthymbox, to use artsd?
[11:03] <Antoine__> hey guys, does anyone know if its possible to boot with the livecd on a centrino laptop?
[11:04] <segfault2k> yeah!
[11:04] <segfault2k> :D
[11:04] <MacManX> Help, please.  Will running fsck from Konsole on the current startup drive cause any problems? 
[11:04] <fromoze> BROKEN_LADDER: gnome-audio-setting or something like that.. Rhythmbox? DO you lnow amarok?
[11:04] <Dhraakellian> narf
[11:05] <Antoine__> well, i've set it to boot from cd but it still boots win from the hd
[11:05] <fromoze> MacManX: It depends on wath you do
[11:05] <fromoze> try cfdisk
[11:05] <fromoze> MacManX: What are you trying to do?
[11:05] <MacManX> thanks, I'll try that.
[11:06] <MacManX> I'm just trying to run a normal check and repair if need be utility.  I run fsk weekly on my Mac.
[11:06] <MacManX> fsck*
[11:06] <fromoze> MacManX: what FS are you using?
[11:07] <MacManX> Im not entirely sure.  I just installed Kubuntu last night and set it to wipe and reformat my HD.
[11:07] <MacManX> I suppose that t would be UFS then?
[11:07] <fromoze> MacManX: if it isn't ext2 ... you're not supossed to need to do it
[11:07] <MacManX> ah, so the file system will take care of itself?
[11:07] <fromoze> yes, reiserfs and ext3 do it.
[11:07] <MacManX> cool, thanks
[11:08] <fromoze> ext3 do an scandisck every 30 mount times by defaults
[11:08] <fromoze> reiserfs check integrity each boot time... may be I'm wrong about that :/
[11:08] <fromoze> but ext3 will make the scan disk for you
[11:08] <fromoze> and you'll see it :)
[11:08] <testmad> anyone istalled doom3 on linux yet?
[11:08] <worzel> Dhraakellian - does running xorgcfg show anything helpful
[11:09] <Dhraakellian> worzel, on the advice of someone in here I ran "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[11:09] <Dhraakellian> I suppose running the other can't hurt
[11:09] <bbailey> I've ran doom3 on linux, yes.
[11:10] <testmad> hod do i install it?
[11:10] <MacManX> Thanks, Fromoze
[11:10] <Dhraakellian> Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:10] <Dhraakellian>         Undefined Monitor "IBM P92" referenced by Screen "Default Screen".
[11:10] <Dhraakellian> Problem when parsing config file
[11:11] <bbailey> There's a linux install file you download from somewhere or other. It's pretty straightforward - you run it, it asks where the cd is mounted or where the data files are, installs it etc.
[11:11] <worzel> had same problem but solved it, but not entirely sure how
[11:11] <testmad> ummthe loki installelr
[11:11] <testmad> wont werk
[11:11] <testmad> says i need gtk1.2
[11:11] <testmad> i got 2.0
[11:11] <worzel> perhaps add ModeLine specific to your monitor?
[11:11] <testmad> it should still work right?
[11:11] <bbailey> http://mirrors.xmission.com/idsoftware/doom3/linux/doom3-linux-1.3.1302.x86.run
[11:12] <bbailey> is the one I used
[11:12] <bbailey> worked fine (on debian sid a month ago, anyway)
[11:12] <Dhraakellian> worzel, commenting out the Monitor line in the "Screen" section
[11:12] <Dhraakellian> wondering if it dislikes having that in there twice
[11:14] <Dhraakellian> heh
[11:14] <Dhraakellian> came up strangely
[11:14] <testmad> ok..new problem..i got my doomdvd in the drive..but its not seeing anyhting..
[11:15] <testmad> it should tho right?
[11:15] <Dhraakellian> the display was in the upper right corner of the screen, and parts of it were also drawn in the other four corners
[11:15] <Dhraakellian> ctrl+alt+minus brought be back
[11:16] <Dhraakellian> and xorgcfg segfaults
[11:17] <Dhraakellian> worzel, and what did you mean by "ModeLine specific"?
[11:19] <worzel> I used that before but it may not be necessary, google for info
[11:20] <testmad> y cant i see files on my dvdrw?
[11:20] <worzel> xorgcfg - read man page, it can rewrite xorg.conf from new
[11:21] <Dhraakellian> all this would be easier if I had a little more desktop real estate
[11:21] <testmad> how can i see if its even mounted?
[11:21] <worzel> sorry cant help more, got to leave
[11:21] <Dhraakellian> heh
[11:21] <Dhraakellian> seeya
[11:24] <testmad> gee..
[11:24] <testmad> im lost
[11:24] <testmad> and this permissions stuff is makin me mad
[11:24] <testmad> i cant eject my cd
[11:25] <testmad> could someone help me in getting my cdrom to werk like it should
[11:25] <testmad> pls?
[11:30] <ermac`> why do i get the error: could not initialize vbox, when i start photoshop.exe in wine?
[11:31] <kakalto> woops
[11:31] <kakalto> any ideas?
[11:31] <kakalto> woops
[11:31] <kakalto> wrong channel
[11:39] <testmad> so y is it so hard to use a cdrom in linux?
[11:40] <testmad> apokryphos: you available?
[11:42] <fromoze> testmad: you can't eject the cdrom?
[11:43] <fromoze> testmad: how are you trying to do it?
[11:43] <testmad> no..im way past all that..i want basic uase and functionality of my drive
[11:43] <fromoze> :?
[11:44] <testmad> do i have to mount my cdrom everytime i want to use it?
[11:44] <fromoze> no
[11:44] <fromoze> yes
[11:44] <fromoze> it depends xD
[11:44] <testmad> ok?
[11:44] <testmad> i stick my ubuntu install cd in and i can read it fine..
[11:44] <fromoze> the app will do it most of the time
[11:45] <testmad> i put my doom3dvd in and it just spins the drive and lite comes on..for a while
[11:45] <testmad> and i just wait..and wait..and wait] 
[11:45] <fromoze> there you need to mount it
[11:45] <testmad> y?
[11:45] <fromoze> do you have the icon of the drive on the desktop?
[11:45] <testmad> nope
[11:46] <ermac`> when i want to play mpeg files in kaffeine i get a green screen, how come? and how to fix?
[11:46] <testmad> see...i need someone to go thru and help me get kubuntu "dumbed" down as much as possible
[11:46] <fromoze> ermac`: 
[11:46] <ermac`> yes
[11:46] <fromoze> !repositories
[11:46] <ubotu> it has been said that repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:47] <ermac`> thx
[11:47] <fromoze> the libxine from main don't support mpeg for patent problems
[11:48] <ermac`> ?
[11:48] <ermac`> i hate patents:(
[11:48] <testmad> so fromoze..you got time to help me dumb down kubunut?
[11:49] <testmad> like hd and cdrom on desk?
[11:49] <fromoze> testmad: I was thinking how to explain it in english...
[11:49] <testmad> heh
[11:49] <ermac`> fromoze, that helppage doesn't work, remember: Kubuntu
[11:49] <ermac`> KDE
[11:50] <ermac`> Kynaptic
[11:50] <fromoze> but I can't now... I'm making my class writtings
[11:50] <ermac`> there is no menu like that in the helpfile
[11:50] <fromoze> ermac`: the second section
[11:50] <fromoze> is by terminal
[11:51] <fromoze> no
[11:51] <fromoze> I'm wrong..wait
[11:51] <fromoze> !kudos
[11:51] <ubotu> methinks kudos is at http://kudos.berlios.de
[11:51] <fromoze> ermac`: try kudos :)
[11:51] <ermac`> ok
[11:51] <ermac`> ;)
[11:51] <ermac`> in deutsch? :s
[11:51] <fromoze> testmad: maybe your answer is there... I need to kepp with Rousseau :/
[11:52] <ermac`> oh ok not in deutsch
[11:56] <_sascha> hi
[11:56] <_sascha> jemand da?
[11:56] <_sascha> somebody here?
[11:58] <thoreauputic> _sascha: currently 93 people, it would seem
[12:01] <testmad> how do i get icons on the desktop?