| Nafallo | hmm, anyone got that video with mdz and sabdfl that got blogged @ planet.debian.org? | 12:04 |
|---|---|---|
| Nafallo | seems the link doesn't work anymore | 12:04 |
| Gnobody | when was it posted? | 12:05 |
| Nafallo | 2005-07-16 08.07.00 | 12:06 |
| Nafallo | Joey Hess: thanks.. | 12:06 |
| Amaranth | wow, classpath has 1mil lines of code | 12:06 |
| Amaranth | Gnobody: I don't need naked pictures of cristina scabbia, I have 1 million lines of code! | 12:08 |
| Amaranth | :0 | 12:08 |
| Gnobody | yes and in that world there are two sexes; emacs, and vi | 12:10 |
| eruin | then tell me what nano is! | 12:11 |
| highvoltage | there was an announcement about an ubuntu-artwork team. is there a wiki/web page about it somewhere? (sorry, lost original email) | 12:16 |
| JanC | yes | 12:17 |
| mdke | ArtworkTeam | 12:17 |
| mdke | or ArtTeam | 12:17 |
| JanC | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtTeam | 12:17 |
| mdke | (the wiki search is really good btw) | 12:17 |
| highvoltage | i just seemed to have entered the wrong keywords. | 12:18 |
| mdke | fair enough | 12:20 |
| bddebian | Nano R0x! :-) | 12:21 |
| lamont | Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com[82.211.81.151] :80... failed: Connection refused. | 12:27 |
| lamont | feh | 12:27 |
| Amaranth | http://www.pumuki.org/?q=node/119 | 12:27 |
| Amaranth | owned. | 12:27 |
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| sladen | Nafallo: I saw it on somebody's laptop here before it got uploaded, I forget who it was though | 12:43 |
| pef_aw | bye ! | 01:01 |
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| Riddell | daniels: libxcursor still mentions libXrender.la, can I do an upload to fix that? | 01:28 |
| seb128 | I've already uploaded a xcursor package 2 days ago | 01:30 |
| seb128 | you should better ping a buildd guy to know why there is no build log for it | 01:30 |
| seb128 | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xcursor/ | 01:31 |
| mitsuhiko | dcop, bonobo and dbus do the same thing, will dbus get standard? | 01:31 |
| seb128 | there is no build for the 1.1.4 packages | 01:31 |
| seb128 | they don't do the same thing | 01:31 |
| Riddell | lamont: back from your wanderings? | 01:31 |
| mitsuhiko | seb128: they can do the same thing | 01:32 |
| seb128 | no | 01:32 |
| seb128 | dbus is not a bonobo replacement | 01:32 |
| mitsuhiko | hm. ok | 01:32 |
| seb128 | it's simpler | 01:32 |
| mitsuhiko | bonobo is simpler? | 01:32 |
| seb128 | no, dbus | 01:32 |
| Riddell | mitsuhiko: dbus will replace dcop if someone can make nice enough bindings for KDE | 01:32 |
| Riddell | bindings as nice as dcop has :) | 01:33 |
| mitsuhiko | thanks for the informations | 01:33 |
| mitsuhiko | so I can use bonobo for my python project | 01:33 |
| seb128 | depending of what you try to do | 01:33 |
| seb128 | if dbus does what you want better to use it | 01:33 |
| seb128 | bonobo is beeing dropped because it's to complex to use | 01:33 |
| mitsuhiko | so bonobo is dying? | 01:34 |
| seb128 | I would not say that | 01:34 |
| seb128 | he's standing where it is | 01:34 |
| seb128 | but new code is not using it | 01:34 |
| mitsuhiko | ok. thx | 01:34 |
| seb128 | np | 01:35 |
| mitsuhiko | my problem is that i'm using hoary at the moment and there is the old dbus api which is not compatible to the new one | 01:35 |
| Riddell | xcursor is dep-wait pkg-config but pkg-config is installed fine | 01:35 |
| Riddell | tsk | 01:35 |
| \sh | grmpf | 01:36 |
| seb128 | where do you get the dep-wait? | 01:36 |
| Riddell | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.i386 | 01:36 |
| seb128 | thanks | 01:36 |
| seb128 | probably needs lamont to poke it | 01:37 |
| Riddell | wake up infinity, fix xcursor so me and seb128 can go to bed :) | 01:37 |
| seb128 | that too :) | 01:37 |
| Riddell | 23:31 * lamont wanders off | 01:37 |
| seb128 | bah | 01:38 |
| \sh | so..we should go and sleep....today is another day to kick | 01:40 |
| \sh | oh | 01:40 |
| \sh | esc+4 != esc+5 | 01:40 |
| \sh | anyways...off to bed | 01:41 |
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| OddAbe19 | hey, when I do make on a program i do the following: ./configure 'CFLAGS=-march=athlon-xp -pipe -O3' 'build=i686-linux' 'CXXFLAGS=-march=athlon-xp -pipe -O3' 'build_alias=i686-linux' | 02:49 |
| OddAbe19 | how do i point it to gcc 4 | 02:49 |
| OddAbe19 | with make not ./configure | 02:49 |
| bob2 | you use breezy, which has gcc 4.0 as the default | 02:49 |
| bob2 | using gcc 4.0 with c++ code on hoary will break | 02:49 |
| OddAbe19 | i have gcc 4 installed through backports | 02:49 |
| bob2 | that'll work awesomely then | 02:50 |
| bob2 | but as above | 02:50 |
| OddAbe19 | i don't have to do a 'gcc=4'? | 02:50 |
| bob2 | if this program involves C++ code, you can't use gcc 4.0, sorryy | 02:51 |
| bob2 | unless it's so simple it uses nothing but libstdc++ | 02:51 |
| OddAbe19 | na, it's gimp | 02:51 |
| OddAbe19 | lol | 02:51 |
| OddAbe19 | i'm working on a more optimized version for distribution | 02:51 |
| OddAbe19 | and i hope all those options will work like that, it has in the past | 02:52 |
| bob2 | then set the C compiler when running ./configure | 02:52 |
| bob2 | you're doing benchmarks to find if gcc 4.0 is usefully faster? | 02:53 |
| OddAbe19 | so, do this instead? ./configure 'CFLAGS=-march=athlon-xp -pipe -O3' 'build=i686-linux' 'CXXFLAGS=-march=athlon-xp -pipe -O3' 'build_alias=i686-linux' 'gcc=4.0' | 02:53 |
| bob2 | no | 02:53 |
| OddAbe19 | no, i just want to make an athon/i686 optimized version of it | 02:53 |
| bob2 | ./configure 'CFLAGS=-march=athlon-xp -pipe -O3' 'build=i686-linux' 'CXXFLAGS=-march=athlon-xp -pipe -O3' CC=gcc-4.0 | 02:54 |
| OddAbe19 | with O3 | 02:54 |
| bob2 | er... | 02:54 |
| bob2 | if you're not planning to see if it's faster, what's the point? | 02:54 |
| OddAbe19 | well, a little of both | 02:54 |
| mdke | i can't seem to download my breezy packages: get connection refused from the various archives.ubuntu.com I've tried. Does anyone know what might be up? | 02:54 |
| bob2 | OddAbe19: I mean "what's the point of making your own k7-specific package if it's not actually faster?" | 02:55 |
| OddAbe19 | it sort of is, loads faster | 02:55 |
| OddAbe19 | and some of the plugins work better | 02:55 |
| OddAbe19 | that's why | 02:55 |
| OddAbe19 | it's because i'm a speed whore and want to get every last bit | 02:55 |
| OddAbe19 | lol | 02:55 |
| bob2 | ah, so, you have benchmarked it and found it faster | 02:56 |
| OddAbe19 | meh | 02:56 |
| OddAbe19 | lol | 02:56 |
| OddAbe19 | if by benchmark you mean stopwatch | 02:56 |
| OddAbe19 | lol | 02:56 |
| OddAbe19 | human error | 02:56 |
| OddAbe19 | tenth of seconds faster | 02:56 |
| OddAbe19 | but i'm a speed whore | 02:56 |
| carstenh | OddAbe19: how much time do you spend to optimize your system? | 02:59 |
| OddAbe19 | not much | 03:00 |
| OddAbe19 | just most packages i use usually | 03:00 |
| OddAbe19 | and my kernel | 03:00 |
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| tseng | "my name is nikolai, and I'm that annoying guy who keeps pushing his idea of a new logo/mascot for ubuntu: the medicine mask!" | 03:45 |
| tseng | speachless. | 03:45 |
| sladen | tseng: -devel/-users? | 03:47 |
| slomo | tseng: lol | 03:47 |
| tseng | sladen: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2005-July/thread.html | 03:47 |
| tseng | sladen: he posted in triplicate (html) | 03:47 |
| tseng | THE MASK CONQUERS ALL | 03:48 |
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| bob2 | ugo: the list, not the channel | 03:48 |
| ugo | im not pasting anything here bob2 | 03:49 |
| ugo | jeeze...lighten up | 03:49 |
| tseng | bob2 is the channel hammer dude | 03:49 |
| sladen | oh, in an HTML stripped part, even better | 03:49 |
| ugo | yeah he did a fine job on two "sweethearts" about an hr ago | 03:50 |
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| Amaranth | cool, debian's udev problem got resolved | 03:59 |
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| Amaranth | sabdfl and mdz got drunk and started dancing together? i can't see the video, it's gone | 04:04 |
| bddebian | Hmm | 04:04 |
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| lamont | eh? | 04:29 |
| lamont | Riddell: what do you need poked? | 04:30 |
| lamont | xcursor. rigth. | 04:31 |
| lamont | dep-wait cleared. | 04:31 |
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| ugo | *blinks* | 04:38 |
| ugo | so sorry to disturb but does anyone know if its possible to have gcc3 and gcc4 on the same box | 04:39 |
| Amaranth | aye | 04:39 |
| bddebian | Should be fine | 04:39 |
| Amaranth | I have /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 and /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 | 04:39 |
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| ugo | Armanath im guessing this isn't the proverbial aptitude install | 04:40 |
| TerminX | daniels: you have an ETA on the xdpyinfo/xhost/xrandr/xsetmode/xsetpointer packages? | 04:40 |
| Amaranth | TerminX: Next week, maybe. | 04:40 |
| TerminX | d'oh | 04:41 |
| TerminX | I thought that he'd said "tomorrow" when asked about it yesterday | 04:41 |
| TerminX | I guess I was mistaken :) | 04:41 |
| seth_k | btw that Nikolai guy is insane, the medicine mask guy. He does not understand the concept of mailing lists at all | 04:43 |
| seth_k | plus his mask sucks, because 1) it's too complex for a logo, 2) it doesn't represent Ubuntu, 3) it is rather stereotypical, 4) it is ugly (opinion) | 04:43 |
| sladen | seth_k: the artwork itself is good. Whether it fits is, as your say, another matter | 04:45 |
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| Amaranth | do you guys agree with this: "If 'Aunt Tilly' needs to use distutils we've already failed."? | 09:54 |
| Burgundavia | probably | 09:54 |
| bob2 | python distutils? | 09:54 |
| Amaranth | yeah | 09:55 |
| jdub | Amaranth: is aunt tilly a web developer? | 09:55 |
| jdub | (or above) | 09:55 |
| Amaranth | no, aunt tilly is esr's fictional end-user | 09:55 |
| Amaranth | she _might_ know what firefox is | 09:56 |
| jdub | end users can be low end developers | 09:56 |
| Amaranth | maybe | 09:56 |
| Amaranth | if her nephew has explained it to her more than once | 09:56 |
| jdub | but if she's specifically not, then yes, it's absolutely insane | 09:56 |
| Burgundavia | jdub, can you give me a quick opinion on the wiki page death I just sent to the -devel list? | 09:56 |
| Amaranth | Basically if someone knows what distutils is, they should know how to get it or how to get help. | 09:57 |
| Amaranth | If they don't know what it is and need to use it, we've failed. | 09:57 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: dunno | 09:57 |
| Burgundavia | jdub, that was quick but no exactly what I was looking for ;) | 09:58 |
| jdub | you're not really asking the right person | 09:59 |
| Burgundavia | who should I ask? | 09:59 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: you've posted your question to the right list | 10:03 |
| jdub | "It's target audience is high school students and Refugees." | 10:03 |
| jdub | ^ awesome | 10:03 |
| jdub | that is one heck of a target market specification | 10:03 |
| daniels | that apostrophe is grating on my eyeballs | 10:03 |
| Treenaks | jdub: second-hand bookstore? | 10:04 |
| Burgundavia | jdub, cheers and I understand you just got back from japan | 10:04 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: i did? rad. | 10:05 |
| Burgundavia | oh | 10:05 |
| Burgundavia | did you enjoy your non-trip? | 10:05 |
| Treenaks | someone really needs to fix the launchpad SSL key | 10:06 |
| jdub | Treenaks: ubuntu lite | 10:06 |
| Treenaks | jdub: Cool | 10:07 |
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| fabbione | morning | 10:17 |
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| fabbione | jdub: ping? | 10:19 |
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| madduck | when and where is ubuntuconf? is there a url? | 10:29 |
| bob2 | not announced yet | 10:29 |
| madduck | mh, ok. | 10:29 |
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| pef | hi | 10:46 |
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| davyd | hey, does anyone have links to an amd64 binary for xbase-clients -36? | 11:14 |
| davyd | ok, possibly ignore me on that front | 11:16 |
| Amaranth | hehe | 11:17 |
| Amaranth | still need it? | 11:17 |
| davyd | I didn't get around to fixing it last night | 11:18 |
| davyd | I saw the xlibs links though, now I just need to grab them | 11:18 |
| davyd | mmm, w3m | 11:18 |
| Amaranth | ok... | 11:18 |
| Amaranth | still need it? | 11:19 |
| Amaranth | yes or no please, it's 4am | 11:19 |
| Amaranth | doesn't matter anyway, morgue.ubuntu.com doesn't have them | 11:19 |
| davyd | morgue seems to be dead | 11:20 |
| Amaranth | yeah | 11:20 |
| davyd | ok, I seem to have found them | 11:21 |
| Amaranth | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/xbase-clients_6.8.2-36_amd64.deb | 11:21 |
| Amaranth | err | 11:21 |
| Amaranth | oh yeah, the amd64 buildds fell over | 11:21 |
| Amaranth | you shouldn't have any problem on amd64, it looks like the latest X you have is -36 anyway | 11:21 |
| davyd | yeah, except for xlibs | 11:22 |
| davyd | which is arch 'all' | 11:22 |
| Amaranth | xlibs -42 is fine here? | 11:22 |
| Amaranth | wait, no it isn't | 11:22 |
| Amaranth | -41 was | 11:22 |
| daniels | -42 shouldn't be any more broken than -41, certainly | 11:22 |
| daniels | at least, I don't think | 11:22 |
| Amaranth | but xlibs is just a metapackage, isn't it? | 11:23 |
| daniels | davyd: if it's any consolation, my laptop is stuck in console mode, my amd64 won't accept any keyboard input, and my powerpc is also in the console | 11:23 |
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| Amaranth | i guess that's great motivation to fix something though :D | 11:23 |
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| daniels | yeah -- specifically, the modular server | 11:23 |
| daniels | which I'm fixing now | 11:24 |
| Amaranth | btw, are the all changes you're making going into xorg cvs? | 11:24 |
| daniels | trying to track down exactly how gcc4 miscompiles i810_drv.o, making the modular server happy with big-endian machines, and stuff | 11:24 |
| daniels | yeah, they are | 11:24 |
| Amaranth | gcc bugs are always fun | 11:24 |
| davyd | daniels ; are you in Melbourne at the moment? | 11:24 |
| Amaranth | did it work on 4.0.0? | 11:24 |
| daniels | davyd: yeah | 11:24 |
| davyd | daniels ; someone said you weren't | 11:25 |
| daniels | Amaranth: pretty sure it didn't | 11:25 |
| davyd | daniels ; is there some sort of mail order liquor store in Melbourne? | 11:25 |
| daniels | davyd: uhm nope, I've been here for a fair while now | 11:25 |
| daniels | davyd: since LinuxTag | 11:25 |
| daniels | davyd: not that I'm aware of ... | 11:25 |
| davyd | daniels ; hmm | 11:25 |
| davyd | I was going to send you a sixpack, but I'm too stingy to fedex it from Perth | 11:26 |
| daniels | haha | 11:26 |
| daniels | dude | 11:26 |
| daniels | what for? | 11:26 |
| davyd | daniels ; because I said I would, and you refused to fix my Xserver till I do | 11:26 |
| cat | hey everyone | 11:26 |
| davyd | and maybe then you'd feel guilty and drunk | 11:26 |
| davyd | and perhaps you'd fix it | 11:26 |
| davyd | I need to buy more Squire, so that I can read chapters 2, 3 and 5 of the fucking story | 11:27 |
| davyd | because my six-pack only had chapters 1, 4 and 6 | 11:27 |
| davyd | twice! | 11:27 |
| davyd | also, it seems wrong to be using a console on a 20" LCD screen | 11:28 |
| davyd | daniels ; what's your ETA for getting some sanity into this? | 11:28 |
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| davyd | that seems to be messing up my dependancy tree pretty bad | 11:29 |
| \sh | amd64? | 11:30 |
| \sh | it's out of order..,-) | 11:30 |
| daniels | davyd: amd64's buildds are all dead | 11:30 |
| fabbione | go GCC-4.0 it's your birthday! | 11:30 |
| davyd | daniels ; oh man, still? | 11:30 |
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| daniels | davyd: well, elmo's been on holiday ... | 11:31 |
| daniels | davyd: making xbase-clients and xlibs installable are my first priorities, bugger everything else | 11:31 |
| davyd | daniels ; righto | 11:31 |
| daniels | i'm forecasting tuesday | 11:31 |
| davyd | I can start building things | 11:31 |
| davyd | do source packages still get updated when the binaries don't? | 11:31 |
| daniels | because at this stage, I need to modularise every single remaining library before xdpyinfo can be built | 11:31 |
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| davyd | excelltn, now I can install gdm | 11:33 |
| davyd | I feel like a gentoo user | 11:33 |
| \sh | davyd: oh u r using this funny little filemanager as well? *lol* | 11:34 |
| davyd | hmm? | 11:35 |
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| davyd | how hard is it to set up a buildd? | 11:35 |
| Amaranth | http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/x11/gentoo | 11:35 |
| davyd | oh, I know about that thingy | 11:36 |
| davyd | I almost installed fc4 on this machine | 11:37 |
| Amaranth | disturbingly ugly | 11:37 |
| davyd | because it has the tools I need | 11:37 |
| === Amaranth whips davyd | ||
| eruin | should I create an enh.bug on the ubuntu bugzilla if I'd like to see some added functionality for shares-admin ? | 11:37 |
| Amaranth | naughty! | 11:37 |
| davyd | but I would have no idea how to install Mono on it | 11:37 |
| davyd | or a chroot | 11:37 |
| davyd | dchroot and debootstrap are wonderful tools | 11:37 |
| eruin | or should I take the discussion to the seemingly dead system-tools list on mail.gnome? | 11:37 |
| davyd | eruin ; why not file it in the GNOME bugzilla? | 11:38 |
| \sh | davyd: it's funny that u can do a `emerge debootstrap` on Gentoo ,-) | 11:38 |
| eruin | that's probably the best now that you mention it :) | 11:38 |
| davyd | \sh ; does it work the same? | 11:38 |
| davyd | ie. install a Debian chroot? | 11:38 |
| \sh | davyd: yes | 11:38 |
| Treenaks | \sh: any idea why wine is still uninstallable in breezy? | 11:38 |
| Treenaks | \sh: (the GLU mess?) | 11:38 |
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| Amaranth | daniels: i thought you said you could only get xbase-clients done by tuesday if you worked non-stop through the weekend and didn't have any problems | 11:38 |
| \sh | treenaks: it builds ... lemme check | 11:39 |
| davyd | I didn't realise how patched Fedora was till I started using it at work | 11:39 |
| eruin | Treenaks, its due to xorg being broken | 11:39 |
| Treenaks | eruin: GLU madness | 11:39 |
| Amaranth | Yeah, blame everything on xorg being broken! | 11:39 |
| Amaranth | :) | 11:39 |
| davyd | but it did ship with GCC-4.0, which was a nice touch | 11:39 |
| eruin | xrandr not split out etc | 11:39 |
| Treenaks | Amaranth: but wasn't xorg broken because of GTK boogz? | 11:39 |
| \sh | treenaks: i will give it a punch in the face...now | 11:39 |
| Amaranth | haha | 11:39 |
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| Treenaks | \sh: \o/ | 11:40 |
| \sh | or me? | 11:40 |
| Amaranth | "it's a bug in GTK" then it got fixed in xorg :) | 11:40 |
| Treenaks | \sh: I'm building the current source locally now.. see if it works | 11:40 |
| davyd | daniels ; non the less, if you locate some sort of online beer mail order system, located in fair Melbourne, let me know | 11:40 |
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| \sh | no I don't blame anybody for doing mistakes... | 11:40 |
| eruin | davyd, oooh, no more leaving the house? | 11:40 |
| Amaranth | davyd: That'd be stupid, kids would be ordering beer. | 11:40 |
| daniels | davyd: heh, sure | 11:41 |
| davyd | dude, this is Australia | 11:41 |
| eruin | kids can already buy beer :p | 11:41 |
| davyd | kids already buy beer | 11:41 |
| davyd | you see them on the foreshore drinking EB | 11:41 |
| daniels | Amaranth: i think if I work non-stop through monday and tuesday with no problems, I can sort it | 11:41 |
| Burgundavia | any timeframe on the new live/install work landing? | 11:41 |
| daniels | Amaranth: i'm actually using my weekend as a weekend; it's novel | 11:41 |
| davyd | thankfully they stopped making Swan Gold | 11:41 |
| daniels | (hacking on the modular server instead) | 11:41 |
| Amaranth | daniels: wtf are you doing on IRC then? | 11:41 |
| Amaranth | haha | 11:42 |
| daniels | davyd: eep, swan is terrible | 11:42 |
| daniels | Amaranth: sucker for punishment | 11:42 |
| \sh | hmm | 11:42 |
| Amaranth | this exa stuff seems pretty buggy | 11:42 |
| davyd | daniels ; exactly | 11:42 |
| === davyd still has a Coopers Pale in the fridge | ||
| Amaranth | eek, i accidently found the detach tab keyboard shortcut in xchat | 11:43 |
| \sh | strange dependency | 11:43 |
| davyd | ctrl-I | 11:43 |
| Amaranth | whew | 11:43 |
| Amaranth | i couldn't get it back | 11:43 |
| davyd | the problem with working in open source is that the idea of a weekend becomes blurred | 11:44 |
| \sh | aye | 11:44 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 11:44 |
| davyd | I am experiencing a similar problem with this working from home thing | 11:44 |
| \sh | mesa-common-dev | 11:44 |
| Amaranth | weekends are when your users will bitch the most | 11:44 |
| \sh | is seriously b0rked | 11:44 |
| Nafallo | my rhythmbox craches ;-) | 11:44 |
| davyd | brilliant idea, write it down, explore it a bit, find you've implemented it | 11:44 |
| Amaranth | Nafallo: Mine plays the flute. | 11:44 |
| Nafallo | or really, it crashes :-) | 11:44 |
| \sh | ok...fixing first the mesa deps in mesa-common-dev | 11:44 |
| davyd | hmm, it's always the -data packages | 11:45 |
| Nafallo | Amaranth: I'm on amd64, I guess I build it locally soonisch :-) | 11:45 |
| eruin | anyone here have xbase-clients -36 ? | 11:45 |
| davyd | the buildd dies and it all goes to shit | 11:45 |
| davyd | because there are still new -data packages | 11:45 |
| Amaranth | haha | 11:45 |
| Amaranth | someone has a mirror of them too | 11:45 |
| Amaranth | if you can find them in the logs | 11:46 |
| Nafallo | Amaranth: baah, I got a pbuilder :-). the only problem is getting source over this crappy ADSL of mine ;-) | 11:46 |
| Amaranth | Nafallo: i meant xlibs-data 6.8.2-36 :) | 11:47 |
| Nafallo | Amaranth: ahh *s* | 11:47 |
| Amaranth | my muine and rhythmbox both suck | 11:47 |
| Amaranth | something somewhere forgot to check for errors | 11:47 |
| eruin | grab sonance cvs :) | 11:47 |
| cat | well, i wanna help out two (: | 11:47 |
| Amaranth | probably in id3 reading, everyone seems to suck at that | 11:47 |
| Amaranth | sonance cvs starts, randomly | 11:48 |
| eruin | ehehe | 11:48 |
| Amaranth | i mean, sometimes i get a real GUI, sometimes i get half a gui overlapping itself | 11:48 |
| Amaranth | that is insensitive | 11:48 |
| eruin | that's cute | 11:48 |
| Amaranth | but some of the things still prelight | 11:48 |
| Burgundavia | daniels, when should I start reporting X autoconfig regression bugs? | 11:48 |
| cat | hey if i want to help out packaging what should i do? | 11:49 |
| Burgundavia | cat, talk to the people in #ubuntu-motu | 11:49 |
| Amaranth | cat: join the MOTU :) | 11:49 |
| Nafallo | cat: basically repeat that sentence in #ubuntu-motu :-) | 11:49 |
| cat | alright (: | 11:49 |
| \sh | hmmm... | 11:50 |
| \sh | actually... | 11:50 |
| \sh | I know where this comes from... | 11:50 |
| \sh | wine_0.0.20050628 is not in the archives.. | 11:50 |
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| \sh | the source yes...but not the binaries | 11:51 |
| === \sh 's looking around for some NEW love ,-) | ||
| Treenaks | \sh: then there was a build error | 11:51 |
| \sh | no | 11:51 |
| Treenaks | no? | 11:51 |
| \sh | it's in new i think | 11:51 |
| Treenaks | \sh: wine is already packaged.. how can it be in NEW | 11:51 |
| Treenaks | \sh: it should just replace it | 11:52 |
| \sh | no...i will replace a lot of old bins...and I think it's stucked somewhere | 11:52 |
| \sh | i386 is build | 11:52 |
| \sh | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/w/wine/0.0.20050628-1/ | 11:52 |
| \sh | Treenaks: have the same problem with gfccore | 11:54 |
| \sh | but it's a good time to upload it with the right version number ,-) | 11:56 |
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| \sh | guys...can anyone approve my theory, that right now, "empty the trash" in gnome is not working? | 12:15 |
| Amaranth | you have something in there you aren't allowed to delete? | 12:17 |
| chris` | \sh, in my breezy it works fine... | 12:17 |
| \sh | hmmm... | 12:18 |
| \sh | Amaranth: no | 12:18 |
| \sh | oh | 12:18 |
| \sh | moment | 12:18 |
| \sh | funny | 12:18 |
| littlepaul | \sh it works for me too | 12:18 |
| \sh | empty trash doesn't update the trash ...clicking on the files with the right mb..disappeared...strane | 12:19 |
| \sh | can someone kick kdelibs4 again,pls? | 12:20 |
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| \sh | moins pitti | 12:41 |
| sivang | pitti: Hey Martin :-) | 12:41 |
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| Mithrandir | pitti: do you have pmount in a baz archive somewhere? | 12:42 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: it's in bzr | 12:42 |
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| Mithrandir | pitti: hm, ok. | 12:43 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/bzr/pmount | 12:43 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: shame you left already, I wanted to discuss some stuff about mmount with you. Basically what hooks would be good for you to have. | 12:43 |
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| sivang | Mithrandir: mmount the successor to pmount? :-) | 12:44 |
| Mithrandir | sivang: no, the modular mount which is the successor to the current mount. | 12:44 |
| Mithrandir | hopefully. | 12:44 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: so far I need hooks for "authentication" (removable, fstab, /etc/pmount.allow) and some device map checks (is a device encrypted and devmapper needs to be set up?) | 12:47 |
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| Mithrandir | pitti: pmount shouldn't care about encrypted stuff, that should be a luks plugin. | 12:47 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: plugins should be stackable | 12:47 |
| Mithrandir | have to run now, I'll be back in half an hour or so | 12:48 |
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| jdthood | pitti: I want to reassign a bug. In what package would a new button on System|Preferences|Sound be implemented? | 12:57 |
| pitti | jdthood: I think it's control-center | 12:58 |
| jdthood | k | 12:58 |
| jdthood | There is also a 'gnome-control-center'. Not that, eh? | 12:59 |
| Burgundavia | jdthood, that is it | 12:59 |
| jdthood | thanks | 12:59 |
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| shackan_ | hi pitti | 01:04 |
| \sh | I wonder if it's possible to build wine on amd64 | 01:05 |
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| davyd | hmm, I still can't start X | 01:12 |
| \sh | davyd: fixed font? | 01:13 |
| davyd | \sh ; wine will work in a chroot, I don't like your chances of making it work in 64-bit | 01:13 |
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| \sh | davyd: no..i mean using 32bit compat libs for amd64 e.g. | 01:13 |
| ogra | \sh, just building it... | 01:14 |
| \sh | ogra: nice :) | 01:14 |
| \sh | looking at the time... | 01:15 |
| ogra | \sh, lets see.... needs about 100 pkgs not in my pbuilder yet | 01:15 |
| ogra | meh | 01:15 |
| ogra | Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/libxaw7_6.8.2-34_amd64.deb | 01:15 |
| davyd | hmm, I don't like the error that Xorg is giving me | 01:16 |
| === ogra updates his pbuilder | ||
| davyd | failed to load module keyboard | 01:17 |
| davyd | failed to load module mouse | 01:17 |
| davyd | failed to load module nvidia | 01:17 |
| \sh | change "keyboard" to "kbd" | 01:17 |
| pitti | Hi shackan_ | 01:17 |
| davyd | \sh ; where does this change come from? | 01:18 |
| davyd | this is xorg-36 | 01:19 |
| \sh | oh.. | 01:19 |
| \sh | I have -42 | 01:19 |
| \sh | yeah...-36 should be keyboard | 01:19 |
| davyd | hmm, it's a bit strange | 01:20 |
| Nafallo | I got -36 and has to use kbd, fwiw | 01:20 |
| davyd | well, what about the other two? | 01:20 |
| davyd | incidently 'kbd' doesn't fix it | 01:21 |
| Nafallo | davyd: you will want xserver-xorg-input-{kbd,mouse} | 01:21 |
| davyd | aah, nice | 01:22 |
| Nafallo | xserver-xorg-driver-nv should be nvidia :-) | 01:22 |
| tseng | +1 funny | 01:22 |
| davyd | ok, so I have everything bar whatever is needed to make nvidia work | 01:25 |
| === davyd guesses he needs nvidia-glx | ||
| davyd | which is nicely uninstallable | 01:27 |
| ogra | davyd, that in l-r-m .... we dont have it yet | 01:27 |
| ogra | thats even | 01:27 |
| davyd | ogra ; I built the kernel module by hand | 01:28 |
| ogra | ah | 01:28 |
| davyd | using make-kpkg, the old fashioned way | 01:28 |
| davyd | nvidia-glx appears to have what I want, I might have to have a crack at building it later | 01:28 |
| ogra | \sh, wine with gcc4 seems not to work on amd64 | 01:28 |
| ogra | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables | 01:28 |
| \sh | ogra: hmmm.... | 01:29 |
| davyd | ogra ; check config.log | 01:29 |
| davyd | you may be missing libraries | 01:29 |
| ogra | davyd, yes... sadly my pbuilder doesnt keep config.log.... | 01:29 |
| tseng | wine works on !x86? | 01:29 |
| Amaranth | ha, no | 01:29 |
| Amaranth | it _might_ work on amd64 compiled as a 32-bit app though | 01:29 |
| \sh | --enable-win64 build a Win64 emulator on AMD64 (won't run Win32 binaries) | 01:29 |
| ogra | tseng, they *wanted* to make it work on amd64 and ppc, but i havent heard about it yet, so we are trying | 01:30 |
| Amaranth | worthless | 01:30 |
| \sh | but this is not | 01:30 |
| \sh | I want to have a wine for adm64 running 32bit win apps | 01:30 |
| Amaranth | the darwine project is the only thing i know about as far as ppc goes | 01:30 |
| Amaranth | doesn't that require a 32-bit xserver and everything else wine uses? | 01:31 |
| \sh | what are the 32bit compat libs for amd64 to run 32bit apps? | 01:31 |
| ogra | ia32-libs ? | 01:31 |
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| \sh | ogra: put it into the b-d ,-) what ever | 01:33 |
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| ogra | i'm just trying to figure out where the -m32 compilerflag comes from... | 01:34 |
| ogra | probably disabling that is enough | 01:34 |
| \sh | configure.ac | 01:35 |
| \sh | if test "x$enable_win64" != "xyes" | 01:35 |
| \sh | then | 01:35 |
| \sh | test -n "$CC" || CC="gcc -m32" | 01:35 |
| \sh | and ff | 01:36 |
| ogra | aa | 01:37 |
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| davyd | I think you'll need to run wine as a 32-bit binary | 01:41 |
| davyd | else how will you link into 32-bit windows DLLs? | 01:41 |
| Treenaks | davyd: the same way windows itself does that ? | 01:42 |
| Treenaks | davyd: (the 64-bit windows thing) | 01:42 |
| davyd | treenaks, last time I played with 64-bit windows it was (a) crack and (b) didn't run 32-bit code | 01:44 |
| davyd | I wonder if they've fixed it | 01:44 |
| Treenaks | davyd: Windows is crack anyway.. | 01:45 |
| davyd | hmm, I need a new xlibmesa-glu | 01:46 |
| davyd | which apparently means I need the X.org source | 01:46 |
| === davyd wonders if he can compile a single modules from that | ||
| davyd | I guess that's why it's being modularized | 01:46 |
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| tseng | davyd: heh, known issue that my battery applet goes up to 135% now? | 01:48 |
| davyd | tseng ; are you using the HAL backend? | 01:48 |
| davyd | it seems to do exciting things | 01:48 |
| tseng | hm I guess | 01:49 |
| Treenaks | tseng: it's just a very good battery ;) | 01:49 |
| ogra | tseng, battery applet will go... | 01:49 |
| davyd | rather then copy our battery code, that took years to work around all the shitty bugs | 01:49 |
| ogra | tseng, we'll have gnome-power | 01:49 |
| davyd | they've started again | 01:49 |
| davyd | so they're getting all the same issues | 01:49 |
| davyd | gnome-power or PowerManager or whatever they've now called it, shouldn't have an applet | 01:50 |
| ogra | davyd, do you use richard huges' acpi backend in HAL ? | 01:50 |
| davyd | it should just be a policy system | 01:50 |
| davyd | ogra ; I think he wrote a heap of it | 01:50 |
| ogra | davyd, yes... i was wondering if you use this for your applet | 01:50 |
| Amaranth | today's userfriendly rocks | 01:51 |
| Amaranth | http://www.userfriendly.org/ | 01:51 |
| ogra | gnome-power has a notification area icon...for the battery... and uses libnotify now | 01:51 |
| ogra | \sh, wine throws a millon warnings about signedness, but compiles now :) | 01:51 |
| ogra | eeek | 01:52 |
| ogra | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext | 01:53 |
| ogra | GRRRR | 01:53 |
| sivang | anybody see seb128? knows if he's supposed to come back? | 01:55 |
| ogra | sivang, its sunday.... and the weather is nice.... | 01:55 |
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| davyd | yeah, we're using HAL now, but it might get backed out for 2.12 | 01:59 |
| davyd | it's a little dodgy in places | 01:59 |
| davyd | but it does need testing | 01:59 |
| davyd | because it's our ultimate goal to lose the other backends | 02:00 |
| \sh | ogra: hihi | 02:02 |
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| ogra | davyd, yep, HAL should be the center of the HW world... | 02:03 |
| sivang | ogra: hehe | 02:04 |
| sivang | ogra: so why aren't you out in the sun? :-) | 02:04 |
| ogra | sivang, i have a terrace with wlan ;) | 02:04 |
| ogra | \sh, sadly my pbuilder gets xlibs-dev -42 but all other X is -36 ..... so libxext is incompatible... wont work before the archive is in shape again :/ | 02:06 |
| sivang | ogra: woo , makes me wanna come and visit you there even more :-) | 02:09 |
| ogra | its not as shiny as it appears, but .... :) | 02:10 |
| \sh | ogra: yep | 02:15 |
| Lathiat_ | davyd: hal for what? | 02:15 |
| ogra | Lathiat_, *all* hardware interaction.... | 02:16 |
| ogra | Lathiat_, in the curent case for battery monitoring.... | 02:16 |
| Lathiat_ | ogra: right, the problem is, gnome runs on !linux | 02:18 |
| Lathiat_ | and hal runs on *linux | 02:18 |
| Lathiat_ | right? | 02:18 |
| ogra | nope | 02:18 |
| ogra | hal also runs on solaris afaik... and they are porting it further.... | 02:18 |
| Lathiat_ | oh? | 02:18 |
| Lathiat_ | didnt know that | 02:19 |
| Lathiat_ | cool | 02:19 |
| ogra | note, i'm talking about CVS here.... | 02:19 |
| jdthood | pitti: Good news and bad news. Which do you want first? | 02:20 |
| Lathiat_ | ogra: ya, cool none the less | 02:20 |
| pitti | jdthood: hard choice... good one? | 02:21 |
| jdthood | pitti: The good news is that I have added lsb init function support to the ALSA mixer-level restoring initscript, thus dispensing with the need to patch it. | 02:21 |
| pitti | yay | 02:22 |
| pitti | jdthood: you now detect for the lsb-init include file and use it if it's available? | 02:22 |
| jdthood | yep | 02:22 |
| pitti | jdthood: (that's what I did for postgresql-common) | 02:22 |
| Amaranth | http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/ <--i need one | 02:24 |
| jdthood | pitti: The bad news is that the initscript has been split into two. /etc/init.d/alsa now does module (un|re)loading. /etc/init.d/alsa-utils does mixer level restoring. Hopefully this won't cause too many headaches. | 02:25 |
| jdthood | alsa-base and alsa-utils no longer Depend on each other. | 02:25 |
| mitsuhiko | Amaranth: wow. thats cool | 02:26 |
| pitti | jdthood: that should be fine, thanks for the notification | 02:26 |
| pitti | jdthood: shouldn't module loading be performed by hotplug? | 02:26 |
| ogra | Amaranth, the mouse is way ooler :) | 02:26 |
| ogra | cooler even | 02:26 |
| jdthood | pitti: Yes. | 02:27 |
| jdthood | pitt: /etc/init.d/alsa is no longer linked into the runlevel directories | 02:27 |
| Amaranth | ogra: haha, it's goofy | 02:27 |
| mitsuhiko | Arrogance: has this keyboard linux support? | 02:27 |
| jdthood | It gets called from alsa-modules* postinst and from /etc/apm/scripts.d/alsa | 02:27 |
| Amaranth | mitsuhiko: This keyboard isn't available yet. | 02:28 |
| Amaranth | mitsuhiko: They mention 'open-source' though. | 02:28 |
| jdthood | ... if the user has set "force_unload_modules_before_suspend" to something. | 02:28 |
| mitsuhiko | i want it :) | 02:28 |
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| mitsuhiko | Amaranth: http://www.daskeyboard.com/ <== another good keyboard :) | 02:41 |
| Amaranth | http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/determinator/caller_id/ sneaky | 02:42 |
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| mitsuhiko | Amaranth: don't understand a singel word :( | 02:43 |
| Amaranth | neither do i | 02:43 |
| Amaranth | it's a caller id | 02:43 |
| Amaranth | really small, patched right into the line | 02:43 |
| davyd | hmm, was it X.org 41 or 42 that was broken? | 02:44 |
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| Amaranth | both | 03:14 |
| \sh | http://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/60-Launchpad,-Google-and-why-Microsoft-is-not-the-problem.html | 03:18 |
| \sh | cu later dudes..have to think about this...and have a shower :) | 03:20 |
| Amaranth | *yawn* | 03:36 |
| Amaranth | It's not Free so it might be evil. | 03:36 |
| Amaranth | It's obviously a conspiracy against the people of the world. | 03:37 |
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| sivang | \sh: that's you're blog post? | 04:04 |
| Nafallo | sivang: naah, joachim breitner. | 04:08 |
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| sivang | Nafallo: interesting mind excersize :-) | 04:09 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 04:10 |
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| zyga | hello | 04:29 |
| LinuxJones | zyga, hiya | 04:33 |
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| Seveas | is there a preseed expert in here who can answer a few simple wuestions? | 05:04 |
| \sh | sivang: no | 05:13 |
| sivang | \sh: sure, I guessed it already :-) | 05:15 |
| Seveas | it's JB's second 'attack' on Canonical/Ubuntu in one day :) | 05:18 |
| \sh | lol | 05:19 |
| \sh | they helping us...it's positiv ,-) | 05:19 |
| Nafallo | depends on how you look at it :-) | 05:19 |
| Seveas | the tone of the blogposts is quite negative though | 05:20 |
| Nafallo | the first one is something we want done and needs help with. | 05:20 |
| Nafallo | the second is more an attack on canonical than ubuntu ;-) | 05:20 |
| Seveas | so I guess there is no preseeding/d-i guy in here now..? | 05:21 |
| \sh | Nafallo: well...i wouldn't mind if matthew szulik and mark are sitting the next time together in a small restaurant and talking about kicking ms and sun | 05:21 |
| \sh | but I think matthew is the wrong guy for it..lets talk to bob young :) | 05:22 |
| Nafallo | \sh: :-) | 05:22 |
| \sh | a really nice star linux alliance between fedora and ubuntu / redhat and canonical | 05:23 |
| Kamion | Seveas: maybe, though I'm mostly doing Debian stuff today | 05:24 |
| Seveas | Kamion, just 2 simple generic questions: if I install a package via apt-get in base-config/late-command, can I preseed it in the same file? And which task for tasksel installs ubuntu-base? | 05:27 |
| Seveas | (same file refers to the preseeding file) | 05:27 |
| Kamion | Seveas: 1) yes, you can; however it would be easier to preseed base-config/package-selection | 05:29 |
| Kamion | default value is ~tubuntu-standard|~tubuntu-desktop; it's an aptitude pattern, see the aptitude docs | 05:29 |
| Seveas | Kamion, ahhhh, that answers 2) too, simply install no packages with tasksel :) | 05:29 |
| Kamion | Seveas: 2) we do not use tasksel; debootstrap is called from base-installer and installs the base system | 05:30 |
| Seveas | thank you! | 05:30 |
| Kamion | tasksel isn't even in Ubuntu main, actually | 05:30 |
| Seveas | heh :) | 05:30 |
| Seveas | the installer manual does use it :) | 05:30 |
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| Kamion | Seveas: mm, yeah, that would be out of date | 05:33 |
| Kamion | I've updated a lot of the manual, but not all of it | 05:33 |
| Seveas | does this also work for PXEboot installs? | 05:33 |
| Seveas | appendix C-1, the default preseeding file contains this info by the way (in case you are interested) | 05:34 |
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| Kamion | Seveas: yes, no difference between cdrom and netboot there | 05:41 |
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| Seveas | Kamion, once again: thanks very much! | 05:46 |
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| fabbione | hmmm | 06:15 |
| fabbione | what package is lacking /usr/lib/libXrender.la ? | 06:15 |
| tuhl | what has to be done to fix the broken X? update the system? is this enough? | 06:16 |
| ogra | fabbione, libxrender-dev | 06:16 |
| fabbione | GRRR | 06:17 |
| fabbione | daniels: ??? | 06:17 |
| ogra | yep | 06:17 |
| fabbione | it just made gcc-4.0 FTBFS after 10MB of log | 06:17 |
| ogra | gcc ? | 06:17 |
| fabbione | yes | 06:17 |
| ogra | why does it depend on xrender ? | 06:18 |
| fabbione | no gcc needs gtk that pulls in xrender somewhere as B-D and linking | 06:18 |
| ogra | err, and why does gcc need gtk ? seems somewhat strange | 06:18 |
| fabbione | it does.. ask doko :) | 06:19 |
| ogra | weird | 06:19 |
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| fabbione | we also need to import slang2 | 06:19 |
| fabbione | otherwise quite a bunch of pkgs in main are FTBFS | 06:20 |
| ogra | hmm... | 06:20 |
| ogra | sounds like there are other transitions waiting for universe | 06:21 |
| fabbione | Kamion: there are 3 or 4 binaries for sparc waiting to be NEW'ed... | 06:21 |
| fabbione | Kamion: can you be so kind to give them love? | 06:21 |
| zyga | gcc needs gtk? | 06:21 |
| Mithrandir | zyga: gcj needs it for some swing stuff, at least. | 06:22 |
| zyga | ah... | 06:22 |
| zyga | makes sense then | 06:22 |
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| fabbione | MOTU's are going to be soon very busy | 06:22 |
| zyga | the time when your compiler depends on a gui toolkit is troubling though :> | 06:22 |
| ogra | hmm, they should be split into two packages then... having the main compiler depending on gui stuff doesnt seem sane to me... | 06:23 |
| fabbione | ogra: that's no option with gcc | 06:23 |
| ogra | :-/ | 06:23 |
| zyga | fabbione: can't gcc be built withoug java? | 06:23 |
| zyga | silly questiong | 06:24 |
| fabbione | zyga: than you don't have java | 06:24 |
| zyga | there are separete packages for gcj and stuff but they all build from gcc | 06:24 |
| zyga | sorry | 06:24 |
| fabbione | bootstrapping compilers is not exactly simple | 06:25 |
| tuhl | X is still no starting after an update | 06:26 |
| Amaranth | fabbione: libXrender.la no longer exists | 06:28 |
| Amaranth | fabbione: daniels seems to be happy to be rid of it | 06:29 |
| Kamion | ogra: the main compiler doesn't depend on GUI stuff; it *build*-depends | 06:29 |
| Amaranth | tuhl: You'll have to wait for daniels to finish his work on xbase-clients for X to be usable. | 06:29 |
| tuhl | Amaranth: thanks for the info | 06:29 |
| Kamion | fabbione: the sparc binaries are all part of other things; I was kind of planning to leave those to elmo | 06:29 |
| fabbione | Kamion: hmm ok.. | 06:30 |
| fabbione | Amaranth: if daniels got rid of that, than we a have circular B-D problem.... | 06:31 |
| fabbione | because i need new gcc to (probably) fix a bug in the actual gcc... | 06:31 |
| Nafallo | have eny decisions been taken on what proxy to use for | 06:31 |
| Nafallo | 06:31 | |
| Nafallo | NetworkWideUpdates | 06:31 |
| Nafallo | ? | 06:31 |
| fabbione | that means i can't build the new gtk to get rid of that .la thingy | 06:31 |
| Amaranth | fabbione: kick ass | 06:31 |
| Amaranth | :/ | 06:31 |
| Amaranth | seb was working on making the GNOME stack stop using it | 06:32 |
| Amaranth | gnome-terminal, libraries, gtk, etc | 06:32 |
| fabbione | yeah and gnome is FTBFS due to that gcc bug | 06:32 |
| Amaranth | oh, fun | 06:32 |
| Amaranth | is that the same one that is making the i810 driver mess up? | 06:32 |
| Amaranth | in xorg | 06:33 |
| fabbione | Amaranth: no. it's a specific sparc bug | 06:33 |
| Amaranth | oh, sparc | 06:33 |
| fabbione | the -Wl,--as-needed is broken | 06:33 |
| Amaranth | yeah, the --as-needed stuff, right? | 06:33 |
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| mjg59 | Woo, working usplash demonstration | 06:33 |
| Amaranth | mjg59: gimme :) | 06:33 |
| ogra | Kamion, thats still not right in my eyes... | 06:33 |
| ogra | mjg59, the *real* usplash ? | 06:34 |
| Amaranth | fabbione: So until you fix gcc you can't fix gtk and until you fix gtk you can't fix gcc. | 06:34 |
| Amaranth | Nice | 06:34 |
| fabbione | Amaranth: exactly... | 06:34 |
| Amaranth | fabbione: hack time, build gtk without --as-needed once | 06:34 |
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| Amaranth | or talk to seb128 :) | 06:34 |
| sivang | seb128: ping | 06:34 |
| fabbione | Amaranth: that's what i was planning to | 06:34 |
| sivang | seb128: did you get my email? | 06:34 |
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| mjg59 | ogra: Yes | 06:35 |
| Amaranth | anyone want any spoilers :D | 06:35 |
| ogra | wohoo | 06:35 |
| mjg59 | ogra: (I wrote it yesterday) | 06:35 |
| ogra | yay for mjg59 !!! | 06:35 |
| seb128 | hi | 06:35 |
| mjg59 | Amaranth: Needs a bit of work yet, not least to make it buildable | 06:35 |
| sivang | hi again seb128 :-) | 06:35 |
| seb128 | sivang: calm, that's the WE | 06:35 |
| seb128 | yes I got the mail | 06:35 |
| seb128 | I've to ping jamesh before packaging the lib | 06:35 |
| seb128 | then I can try the patch | 06:35 |
| fabbione | Amaranth: i will need to do a local build in a chroot without exporting the binaries, build gcc, be sure that it fixes the relaxation bug, reinstall gcc, rebuild gnome with relaxation, rebuild gcc, upload gcc and rebuild gnome... | 06:35 |
| fabbione | Amaranth: that's just to be 100% sure not to kill anything | 06:36 |
| mjg59 | It's going to need a bit of work to get it to deal with the initrd/root changeover | 06:36 |
| sivang | seb128: you can try the patch also, if you take the baz archive and make install it in some chroot or a dev machine | 06:36 |
| seb128 | I know how to install a lib, thanks | 06:36 |
| seb128 | that's just the weekend | 06:36 |
| sivang | seb128: sure, sorry, I didn't mean it that way | 06:36 |
| sivang | ogra: what is that gcc bug? | 06:37 |
| ogra | sivang, there is no bug... gcc build depends on gtk through some java dependencys for gjc | 06:38 |
| sivang | ogra: ah I see | 06:38 |
| sivang | seb128: ok, so let me know when the pkg is in, as I will continue patching apps using the non pkged version of the lib | 06:40 |
| seb128 | sivang: probably tomorrow | 06:40 |
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| eruin | does anyone have -36 packages of xorg mirrored somewhere? | 07:01 |
| eruin | tseng, http://tseng.ath.cx/images/cowbell.png - nice battery status :-) | 07:02 |
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| Lathiat_ | eruin: i think you'll find he has 2 batteries | 07:03 |
| jnc | that answers my question | 07:04 |
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| eruin | Lathiat_, never seen that before. cute ;) | 07:04 |
| tseng | Lathiat_: nope. | 07:04 |
| tseng | Lathiat_: davyd says its the hal backend | 07:04 |
| Lathiat_ | tseng: oh, heh | 07:05 |
| jnc | now, with X broken occasionally in development, is there a convenient way to make ubuntu boot into multi-user without X11? | 07:05 |
| Lathiat_ | jnc: if it breaks just login and fix it, if your keybaord gets screwed like mine then boot recovery mode from grub :) | 07:06 |
| tseng | you could remove gdm from your runlevel | 07:06 |
| tseng | man update-rc.d | 07:06 |
| jnc | oh | 07:06 |
| jnc | no ubuntu=xbroken boot flag ? ;) | 07:07 |
| eruin | Lathiat_, got your keybd fixed? | 07:07 |
| Lathiat_ | eruin: yep | 07:11 |
| eruin | Lathiat_, mind sharing how in a pm? :P | 07:11 |
| jnc | Lathiat_: that's a bit more permenant than i was looking for, effective though | 07:12 |
| jnc | :/ | 07:18 |
| jnc | it seems like the Xorg drivers are missing, is that what broke X11? | 07:18 |
| eruin | well, yes and no | 07:18 |
| eruin | you should be able to install them fine | 07:18 |
| jnc | okay | 07:18 |
| eruin | ie xserver-xorg-input-kbd | 07:19 |
| eruin | and change keyboard in xorg.conf tokbd | 07:19 |
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| eruin | but now that I think of it, the latest updates seemed to drag in all the drivers I hadn't installed, so I believe that's fixed | 07:20 |
| jnc | heh | 07:20 |
| eruin | xkeyboard-config conflicts with xbase-clients though | 07:20 |
| jnc | i had a trouble with Xlibs though, it wouldn't fully install | 07:20 |
| jnc | ah | 07:20 |
| eruin | rendering my keyboard useless in non-english conversations (and for switching to a terminal) | 07:20 |
| jnc | :( | 07:21 |
| jnc | sorry to hear that | 07:21 |
| eruin | no doubt poor daniel will have it fixed next week :) | 07:22 |
| jnc | yea | 07:22 |
| jnc | i'm looking at the output, here it says errors were found while processing xlibs | 07:22 |
| Amaranth | eruin: Force it through. | 07:22 |
| jnc | i remember this happened before, and i had to edit some file and run it manually | 07:22 |
| jnc | i forgot exactly where that was though | 07:23 |
| Amaranth | amd64 users need xlibs and xlibs-data 6.8.2-36 and x86 and ppc users need xbase-clients 6.8.2-36 | 07:23 |
| Amaranth | good luck finding these, they aren't in morgue or the archives | 07:23 |
| eruin | what about i386? | 07:24 |
| Amaranth | i said that | 07:24 |
| Amaranth | x86 | 07:24 |
| eruin | I'm halfblid | 07:24 |
| eruin | blind* :) | 07:24 |
| eruin | I've got it locally | 07:25 |
| eruin | yay | 07:25 |
| jnc | Amaranth: you're referring to using an old version of the package, due to the new one being fubar? | 07:25 |
| fabbione | seb128: ping? | 07:25 |
| Amaranth | yes | 07:30 |
| jnc | hmm xvinfo isn't available on amd64 | 07:30 |
| jnc | i wonder what that i | 07:30 |
| jnc | s/i$/is/ | 07:30 |
| Lathiat_ | jnc: the buildds are broken for amd64 last check | 07:30 |
| jnc | awwe | 07:30 |
| Lathiat_ | and X has some borked stuff too | 07:30 |
| Lathiat_ | xvinfo is a program that shows info about Xv, which provides video overlays | 07:30 |
| jnc | thanks for the info | 07:31 |
| Lathiat_ | just bare with the Xorg team | 07:31 |
| jnc | 'k | 07:31 |
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| jnc | hey, on a different yet related topic, why is it that i'm running out of X11 connections over a few days? | 07:31 |
| jnc | eventually i cannot open new X11 client windows | 07:31 |
| jnc | they get a message like "maximum X11 clients reached" | 07:32 |
| jnc | i've seen forum posts about it and the resolve was something like, deal with it just restart X11 every few days | 07:32 |
| jnc | that's not acceptable IMO | 07:32 |
| jnc | have you seen this problem? | 07:32 |
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| seb128 | fabbione: pong | 08:38 |
| pef | bye ! | 08:44 |
| Gnobody | ping | 08:45 |
| Gnobody | pong | 08:48 |
| Gnobody | marco? | 08:48 |
| jnc | POLO | 08:51 |
| jnc | ^||~ | 08:52 |
| jnc | kitty | 08:52 |
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| niran | does anyone know if there's a python library out there for dealing with deb packages? | 10:47 |
| ogra | python-apt ? | 10:48 |
| niran | i know i can install packages with that, but i'm trying to extract the .desktop files from packages | 10:49 |
| fabbione | seb128: sorry i was out.. i think i found the way to get that gnome stuff fixed.. i am doing a set of test build now, but it will take sometime | 10:55 |
| fabbione | seb128: specially because of that libxrender.la thingy | 10:55 |
| seb128 | cool | 10:55 |
| fabbione | seb128: gtk+2.0 needs to grow a libxfixes-dev B-D | 10:55 |
| fabbione | seb128: that will kill libxrender.la from it (on sparc at least) | 10:56 |
| fabbione | next is libcairo | 10:56 |
| seb128 | what next ? | 10:56 |
| fabbione | (note i am not uploading anything.. just testing locally) | 10:56 |
| seb128 | libcairo has to come before next gtk upload | 10:56 |
| seb128 | because gtk depends on cairo now | 10:56 |
| seb128 | as pango does | 10:56 |
| fabbione | after that i can build the new gcc and see if the -Wl,--as-needed is fixed there | 10:56 |
| fabbione | seb128: i am using a grep in /usr/lib atm to check what is still mentioning libxrender | 10:57 |
| fabbione | just to be able to build the latest gcc | 10:57 |
| seb128 | I does the same here when I get a ftbfs :p | 10:57 |
| fabbione | (long story about gcc..) | 10:57 |
| fabbione | gcc FTBFS at the first run on gnat... today i did give it back for a mistake and it was building till the libxrender :) | 10:58 |
| fabbione | go figure.. | 10:58 |
| fabbione | so i realized of all the mess | 10:58 |
| fabbione | but i need to build gcc before i can really check the liking thing | 10:58 |
| fabbione | it's a one day job at least | 10:58 |
| fabbione | actually.. if i could remember how to disable the test suite... it would be only a few hours... | 10:59 |
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| pef | bye ! | 11:00 |
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| mxpxpod | I'm trying to make a backup of my laptop since my hard drive is going bad and I need to figure out how to get tar to preserve ownership of directories (NOT files)... does anyone know how to do that? | 11:02 |
| Lathiat | mxpxpod: -fprdx iirc | 11:08 |
| mxpxpod | Lathiat: what's r do? | 11:08 |
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| mxpxpod | and d for that matter | 11:08 |
| Lathiat | -r is recursive | 11:08 |
| Lathiat | no idea about -d | 11:08 |
| Lathiat | oh | 11:09 |
| Lathiat | nevermind me | 11:09 |
| Lathiat | its 5am, im thinking of copy | 11:09 |
| mxpxpod | ha | 11:09 |
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| Lathiat | -p doesnt preserve them? | 11:09 |
| Lathiat | perhaps 'dump' or 'cpio' would be usefull | 11:10 |
| mxpxpod | what's cpio? | 11:10 |
| Lathiat | man cpio :) | 11:11 |
| mxpxpod | :P | 11:11 |
| mxpxpod | Lathiat: I thought p would preserve them, but for some reason it keeps setting all the directories as belonging to root | 11:16 |
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| mxpxpod | Lathiat: when I extract as root | 11:16 |
| Lathiat | shrug | 11:17 |
| Lathiat | sorry | 11:17 |
| Lathiat | :P) | 11:17 |
| mdke | there is a good howto on the forum for it | 11:17 |
| mxpxpod | mdke: for what? | 11:18 |
| mdke | for making an archive of your installation | 11:18 |
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| mxpxpod | mdke: could you give me a link? | 11:18 |
| mxpxpod | I'd have to use lynx to search and I'm not really up to that | 11:19 |
| mdke | ah no problem | 11:19 |
| mdke | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35087 | 11:20 |
| mdke | mxpxpod, ^ | 11:21 |
| tseng | infinity: any chance you can take a look at my buildd gtk-sharp2 issue from some weeks ago? | 11:23 |
| mxpxpod | mdke: awesome, thanks | 11:24 |
| Mez | why does ubuntu create /dev/dsp and no /dev/dsp0 | 11:25 |
| Mez | crw-rw-rw- 1 root audio 14, 3 2005-07-17 20:06 /dev/dsp | 11:26 |
| Mez | crw-rw-rw- 1 root audio 14, 19 2005-07-17 20:07 /dev/dsp1 | 11:26 |
| Mez | crw-rw-rw- 1 root audio 14, 35 2005-07-17 20:07 /dev/dsp2 | 11:26 |
| Mez | shouldnt /dev/dsp be a link to /dev/dsp* | 11:26 |
| Mez | so that you can change the sound device? | 11:26 |
| Kamion | that would be an ecumenical^Wudev matter | 11:27 |
| Kamion | but you can change it in udev configuration anyway, surely? | 11:27 |
| Kamion | then it persists across reboots etc. | 11:27 |
| Kamion | not that I know how, offhand | 11:28 |
| === Mez wouldnt know how either | ||
| === Mez wouldn't know why it isnt done like that normally like every other linux install | ||
| schweeb | Kamion: I've been having problems similar to that for a few days with breezy... udev doesn't create /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice | 11:30 |
| Kamion | Mez: most other GNU/Linux distributions are moving to udev too | 11:30 |
| Kamion | schweeb: there was a bug along those lines in Debian lately; I haven't been following it in detail but I think we'll probably just grab a newer version from Debian | 11:31 |
| schweeb | me being lazy, I just created a shell script to make the dev nodes, lol | 11:31 |
| === Mez cries | ||
| Mez | I need to get a sound editor working | 11:32 |
| Kamion | you can always just move the devices around as a temporary hack | 11:32 |
| Mez | kamion: I wouldnt trust myself doing that. | 11:32 |
| tseng | Kamion: can i upload a bugfix mono (manual sync with debian) | 11:32 |
| Mez | oh, you mean renaming them ? | 11:33 |
| Mez | would that work? | 11:33 |
| Kamion | rename == move | 11:33 |
| Kamion | sure | 11:33 |
| Mez | and it wouldnt break my comp? | 11:33 |
| schweeb | Kamion: come to think of it, it started happening after your July 13th upload of 0.060-1ubuntu2 :p | 11:33 |
| Kamion | I don't see why anything should fall over just because a sound device got renamed | 11:33 |
| Kamion | schweeb: it was a race condition; it will be difficult to pin down to a single upload. I'm pretty confident my upload changed nothing remotely relevant to that | 11:34 |
| Mez | Kamion; couldnt I move the compat.rules to /etc/udev/rules.d | 11:34 |
| Kamion | Mez: not if you don't understand udev | 11:34 |
| mxpxpod | Nafallo: does backuppc backup a computer so that you can restore the backup to a clean hard drive? | 11:35 |
| Kamion | and no, that file is shipped by the package so don't move it around | 11:35 |
| Kamion | tseng: rationale? | 11:35 |
| schweeb | Kamion: yea. that's just when it exhibited itself. although, I can't remember how quickly before that I had rebooted my PC | 11:35 |
| Mez | Kamion: by the looks of it though, that makes the udev similar to a devfs | 11:35 |
| Kamion | schweeb: 0.060 proper is a more likely candidate | 11:35 |
| Kamion | Mez: run away | 11:35 |
| Mez | Kamion :P I'm messing | 11:36 |
| Kamion | Mez: we use that in the installer, but only for historical reasons. don't do it just to shift a couple of devices | 11:36 |
| tseng | Kamion: numerous bugfixes, packaging improvement (it can bootstrap itself properly) | 11:36 |
| Mez | I jsut need to get this f**king program working so I can edit audio now I've lost Windows | 11:36 |
| tseng | Kamion: which will fix my earlier DOA upload | 11:36 |
| Kamion | tseng: needed for applications? | 11:36 |
| Kamion | oh, yeah, 1.1.8-0pre3ubuntu2 didn't build | 11:36 |
| tseng | not specifically | 11:36 |
| tseng | but it can build on its own power. | 11:37 |
| Kamion | tseng: ok, go ahead | 11:37 |
| Nafallo | mxpxpod: I've not tried it. on a clean install I'm almost certain you can do that though :-). | 11:37 |
| tseng | Kamion: thanks. | 11:37 |
| Kamion | losing that bootstrap madness will be very nice | 11:37 |
| Nafallo | mxpxpod: or get partimage or something like that :-) | 11:38 |
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| === Mez sighs | ||
| Mez | wtf? | 11:42 |
| Mez | this is freaky | 11:42 |
| Mez | this is scary as hell. | 11:43 |
| mxpxpod | Nafallo: partimage doesn't work on xfs | 11:44 |
| tseng | Kamion: oh sorry. i forgot to mention this needs cli-common update also | 11:44 |
| tseng | Kamion: cli-common is just the dh_* scripts. they are fixed up to use internal mono to bootstrap | 11:44 |
| Mez | ahah | 11:44 |
| Mez | not so weird anymore | 11:44 |
| Nafallo | mxpxpod: ah, oki. backuppc uses ssh+tar. should work :-). | 11:45 |
| Kamion | tseng: bonus points if you can tell me that we can sync to exactly the Debian version | 11:46 |
| tseng | Kamion: yes. | 11:46 |
| Kamion | tseng: (and, if so, mail elmo, etc.) | 11:46 |
| mdke | mxpxpod, also if you wanna good backup, try mondo rescue | 11:46 |
| mxpxpod | mdke: mondo rescue? | 11:46 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| mdke | dot org | 11:46 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: would you mind if we synced in the new pkg-config upstream version? It fixes one cosmetic bug, one which doesn't affect us and one which can potentially cause evil build failures (freedesktop #3682). The fix for the last bug is a one-line change. | 11:47 |
| tseng | Kamion: we can sync cli-common as is. in mono i am doing one change ( use __thread on all archs ) since jbailey is threatening to remove pthread in breezy+1, and __thread is upstream default | 11:47 |
| tseng | mailing | 11:48 |
| mxpxpod | mdke: any ubuntu pkgs? | 11:48 |
| mdke | yep | 11:48 |
| mdke | universe | 11:49 |
| Mez | wewt | 11:49 |
| Mez | now I can like... | 11:49 |
| Mez | do stuff with audacity | 11:49 |
| mxpxpod | mdke: what's the package name? I only see mondo-doc | 11:49 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: looks fine | 11:49 |
| mdke | mxpxpod, mondo | 11:49 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: (and a good idea) | 11:49 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: great, I'll mail elmo then. | 11:49 |
| ogra | mxpxpod, mondo is x86 only | 11:50 |
| mxpxpod | oh, that's nice | 11:50 |
| carstenh | jbailey: ping | 11:52 |
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