| === highvoltage [~Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === seth_k [~seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| havoc | bah, no linuxconf package | 12:43 |
|---|---|---|
| nn | linuxconf is crap anyways | 12:51 |
| havoc | I like it | 12:56 |
| bddebian | So package it :-) | 12:56 |
| === havoc is lazy | ||
| havoc | which is why I like it ;) | 12:56 |
| bddebian | Heh | 12:56 |
| nn | stream cast is so lovely.. they're playing speak english or die :) | 12:56 |
| havoc | bddebian: I just may have to | 12:56 |
| === havoc is playing Simple Minds | ||
| havoc | yay 80's | 12:57 |
| bddebian | ugh | 12:57 |
| === havoc feels old :| | ||
| nn | heh i got XStreamCast running on ubuntu | 12:57 |
| bddebian | Heh, I've got the cap on old :-) | 12:57 |
| nn | now to port MutantMedia to linux and package it for ubuntu | 12:57 |
| bddebian | MutantMedia? | 12:58 |
| nn | embedded media player people where i work wrote | 12:58 |
| bddebian | Ah | 12:58 |
| nn | runs on our libOS | 12:58 |
| nn | exokernels are fun | 12:59 |
| bddebian | uKernel! | 12:59 |
| havoc | bddebian: how old is old? | 12:59 |
| bddebian | :-) | 12:59 |
| bddebian | havoc: 35 | 12:59 |
| havoc | bddebian: you *barely* have me beat | 12:59 |
| nn | bddebian: something of that sort, except without the kernel :) | 12:59 |
| === havoc = 32 | ||
| bddebian | nn: I know, I was joking. I'm a GNU/Hurd "guy" :-) | 01:00 |
| nn | our "kernel" is a multiboot image of the dynamic linker | 01:00 |
| nn | then grub passes to it the libmachine, libio, libvmm, and libfs | 01:00 |
| havoc | geez, I need another beer | 01:00 |
| bddebian | nn: Interesting | 01:00 |
| havoc | so anyway, I put ubuntu on a 1.2TB fileserver this morning | 01:00 |
| nn | then it can load the rest of the libraries off the fs and the linker sets up emulation paths | 01:00 |
| bddebian | havoc: http://www.voresoel.dk/ | 01:01 |
| pef_aw | bye ! | 01:01 |
| havoc | bddebian: nah, just MGD | 01:01 |
| nn | bddebian: wanna know the cool part? :) | 01:01 |
| nn | bddebian: It runs linux binaries | 01:01 |
| nn | provided you have appropriate libs in place, of course | 01:01 |
| bddebian | nn: That is very interesting indeed. Is this for a real-time application? | 01:02 |
| nn | bddebian: right now it's an experiment | 01:02 |
| bddebian | Ah | 01:03 |
| nn | bddebian: see, i was working on an emulation project | 01:03 |
| nn | for college | 01:03 |
| bddebian | Well GNU/Hurd is about a 15 year old experiment too.. ;-P | 01:03 |
| havoc | heh | 01:03 |
| nn | Realized an exokernel is -perfect- for emulation because you can substitute any part of the system on the go | 01:03 |
| nn | bddebian: right now it's very messy (code is cleanish, but the build system is under development and crashs a lot) | 01:07 |
| nn | also, some people wont like the fact that it's mostly objc | 01:08 |
| nn | but NeXT was objc and very nice on a 33mhz m68000-class | 01:08 |
| === terrex [~terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === Unfrgiven [~ankur@202.76.176.94] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === jp [~jp@200-126-69-102.bk5-dsl.surnet.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === rem_ [~rem@adsl-138-25-bs1.datacomm.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === bddebian looks at MOTUTodo AGAIN | ||
| === nn [~anonymous@pool-70-105-130-134.char.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] | ||
| === tritium [~tritium@12-208-96-155.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === seth_k [~seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| bddebian | tritium: Up late? :-) | 04:35 |
| tritium | bddebian, yep. You too, eh? | 04:35 |
| crimsun | this is late? | 04:35 |
| bddebian | Always :-) | 04:35 |
| bddebian | Well not yet | 04:35 |
| tritium | Hey there, crimsun :) | 04:35 |
| crimsun | 'lo tritium, bddebian | 04:36 |
| bddebian | Heya crimsun | 04:36 |
| tritium | What are you up to, guys/ | 04:37 |
| tritium | ? | 04:37 |
| bddebian | Trying to figure out what to fail at next :-) | 04:37 |
| bddebian | You? | 04:38 |
| tritium | Taking a break this evening. | 04:38 |
| crimsun | I'm staring sadly at the pile of work that's keeping me indoors on a Saturday night. | 04:38 |
| bddebian | Heh | 04:39 |
| tritium | that's no fun | 04:39 |
| === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@info1-182.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| bddebian | So any thoughts as to what I should fsck up next? :-) | 04:49 |
| Amaranth | http://rlove.org/log/2005071601 | 04:55 |
| Amaranth | kick ass | 04:55 |
| tritium | bddebian, you're too hard on yourself | 04:55 |
| bddebian | Well I wanna help out but feel like I'm floundering about | 04:56 |
| tritium | nah | 04:58 |
| bddebian | yah | 05:01 |
| === janm [~jm__@202.172.110.93] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| bddebian | Do be do be doo | 05:12 |
| tritium | sing it, Sinatra | 05:40 |
| bddebian | heh | 05:42 |
| bddebian | Well if I can't hack, might as well sing :-) | 05:43 |
| === jamessan|laptop [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === Amaranth [amaranth@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === pagefault [Eric@69.158.163.180] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === poningru [~poningru@pool-71-101-7-23.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === StoneTable [~stone@pcp01103376pcs.aubrnh01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === slomo [~slomo@p5487E108.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === tritium [~tritium@12-208-96-155.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] | ||
| \sh | morning | 08:54 |
| === mitsuhiko [~mitsuhiko@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === schweeb tests out seb128's gtk2.7 pkgs | ||
| schweeb | not too shabby | 09:42 |
| === \sh is w8ing for riddell :) | ||
| schweeb | heh | 09:43 |
| \sh | so he can kick arts, kde* and I can work further ;) | 09:44 |
| Amaranth | kick them? | 09:49 |
| Amaranth | just upload new revisions? | 09:50 |
| \sh | upload | 09:50 |
| \sh | new revs... | 09:50 |
| Amaranth | oh, i thought you meant kick something on the buildd | 10:02 |
| Amaranth | err, off | 10:02 |
| Burgundavia | Lathiat_, ping | 10:23 |
| Burgundavia | Lathiat_, can you cleanup and bring up to date https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NvidiaLaptopBinaryDriverSuspend#preview | 10:24 |
| Lathiat_ | Burgundavia: its perfectly up to date? | 10:25 |
| Burgundavia | Lathiat_, is it? | 10:25 |
| Lathiat_ | Burgundavia: yes | 10:26 |
| Burgundavia | ok, cheers | 10:26 |
| Lathiat_ | it doesnt work for everyone | 10:26 |
| Lathiat_ | works for me | 10:26 |
| Lathiat_ | shrug | 10:26 |
| === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === pef [~loic@erodia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| pef | hi | 10:46 |
| === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| Riddell | \sh: hmm? | 11:12 |
| \sh | riddell: xcursor stuff is done...arts is building nicely | 11:15 |
| Riddell | I'm wondering if I need a versioned build-dep on xcursor from arts | 11:16 |
| \sh | hmmm.... | 11:17 |
| \sh | it's included from somewhere ele | 11:17 |
| \sh | +s | 11:17 |
| Riddell | yes, so I'm not sure | 11:18 |
| \sh | give it a try, first without and if it's not working, then with versioned b-d | 11:20 |
| Burgundavia | wonder who this is going to go? http://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/59-Linux-Ball-Utnubu.html | 11:21 |
| cat | hey people | 11:21 |
| Riddell | \sh: it's work without for e.g. not for amd64 since xcursor isn't built for th | 11:22 |
| Riddell | at yet | 11:22 |
| Riddell | \sh: it's work without for e.g. not for amd64 since xcursor isn't built for that yet | 11:23 |
| cat | oh boy, | 11:23 |
| \sh | Riddell: I hope the buildd has a queue management | 11:23 |
| === tvo [~tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| \sh | Riddell: i mean if it compiles the sources in the order when they were uploaded | 11:24 |
| cat | what's going on Riddell ? | 11:24 |
| Riddell | rebuilding KDE | 11:24 |
| cat | any expecific issues? | 11:25 |
| \sh | riddell: btw...is it possible to provide only main upload rights for kde* stuff? | 11:26 |
| Riddell | \sh: technically no but it's possible to ask for it, strictly speaking I only have main upload rights for k* | 11:30 |
| Riddell | cat: libXrender.la was removed | 11:30 |
| Riddell | ok, arts and kdelibs uploaded | 11:31 |
| === Riddell goes | ||
| \sh | hehe... | 11:31 |
| \sh | I will take the blame :) i will tell anybody, I forced u to upload ,-) | 11:31 |
| cat | lol | 11:38 |
| cat | hey if i want to help out packaging what should i do? | 11:49 |
| cat | any developers here? | 11:49 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGettingIntoIt?highlight=%28CategoryMOTU%29 | 11:50 |
| cat | alright | 11:51 |
| cat | so if i want to make up a packaged? what do i do? | 11:52 |
| cat | who do i give it to | 11:52 |
| cat | ? | 11:52 |
| Burgundavia | REVU | 11:53 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU | 11:53 |
| cat | hey Burgundavia how can i put my key sing on a file for example | 12:01 |
| Burgundavia | no idea | 12:01 |
| cat | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- | 12:01 |
| cat | Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) | 12:01 |
| cat | iD8DBQFC1RHC/YHuPfZ5NNgRAsM8AKCAMundUAvFDmgjIiKZZWtDOpL+9gCgkybn | 12:01 |
| cat | v0DCaKIOJSoG2TE+31qGJ7k= | 12:01 |
| cat | =ZabX | 12:01 |
| cat | -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- | 12:01 |
| \sh | --clearsign? | 12:02 |
| \sh | or do u want to sign the CoC? | 12:02 |
| \sh | there is launchpad for it :) | 12:02 |
| cat | i want to sign up the package ircii-pana_1.1-1.dsc | 12:03 |
| \sh | oh | 12:03 |
| \sh | use debuild -S -k<your emailaddr> | 12:04 |
| \sh | to sign a package with a different maintainer...or do dch -i and debuild -S | 12:04 |
| Mithrandir | or just debsign | 12:04 |
| \sh | or this | 12:05 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: btw...I need to provide a new ssh key for ravel...the old one was destroyed *damn* and I forgot to backup it | 12:05 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: just send it to me in a signed mail. | 12:06 |
| Mithrandir | note that I'll be travelling tomorrow and my network is a bit flaky, so I might not get to it immediately, but I'll try. | 12:06 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: will do...I will wait but for the next xorg update ,-) can be that I have to reinstall everything again here | 12:06 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: it's not so important right now..amd64 is still broken ,-) | 12:07 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: put your ssh key on a USB stick or something? | 12:08 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: well yes :) my gpg is on it...but I created the key after that...and forgot it all the time | 12:08 |
| cat | is not working | 12:08 |
| Lathiat_ | what i'd love is some kind of small bluetooth device with storage | 12:20 |
| Lathiat_ | to store things like keys on | 12:20 |
| Lathiat_ | obivously not using bluetooth security | 12:20 |
| Lathiat_ | something like the new thinkpad tpm | 12:21 |
| Mithrandir | is there anything like bluetooth storage device in the bluetooth profiles? | 12:21 |
| mitsuhiko | could it be that rosetta is down? | 12:22 |
| Burgundavia | mitsuhiko, rosetta is having issues, from what I understand | 12:23 |
| mitsuhiko | Burgundavia: hm. not good | 12:23 |
| === plugwash [plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === infinito [~infinito@75.Red-80-59-227.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === janm [~jm__@202.172.110.214] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| infinito | hi | 01:10 |
| infinito | does anyone know howto get an UniverseCandidate into Universe? | 01:11 |
| ogra | if youre a MOTU, you build a package, upload it to revu and after 3 people have reviewed it, it gets included | 01:12 |
| ogra | if youre not a MOTU you need to find one who helps you ;) | 01:13 |
| tseng | he doesnt have to be a motu to upload to revu? | 01:13 |
| ogra | or become one | 01:13 |
| ogra | tseng, but its very helpful to be one ;) | 01:13 |
| tseng | it is. | 01:13 |
| infinito | ummm, let's see | 01:14 |
| \sh | recruite recruite | 01:14 |
| \sh | good morning ogra *lol* | 01:14 |
| infinito | what can i exactly do (im not a motu, obviusly) | 01:14 |
| ogra | infinito, i know :) | 01:14 |
| ogra | infinito, you can prepare a package and work with the MOTUs.... | 01:14 |
| infinito | the package is already done (with done ubuntu and debian pkg), and it's already on debian sid | 01:15 |
| infinito | any motu want to help me to get GCfilms into ubuntu? | 01:16 |
| ogra | infinito, if its already in sid, we dont need a ubuntu package, we can ust ask for a sync of the debian package | 01:16 |
| infinito | yes, it's on debian | 01:17 |
| ogra | great.... so as soon as elmo is back we can ask him to syn it... | 01:17 |
| ogra | (elmo is the master of our servers) | 01:17 |
| infinito | oooohhhh great! | 01:17 |
| tseng | ogra: eh, dont we need kamion now | 01:18 |
| infinito | when will be that? (im an anxiuos guy) | 01:18 |
| infinito | ;) | 01:18 |
| tseng | he is at debconf | 01:18 |
| tseng | and doesnt work weekends anyway | 01:18 |
| ogra | tseng, yes, for a review, but universe will be handled very loosely | 01:18 |
| tseng | ogra: ok. | 01:19 |
| tseng | i want to sync boo to universe also | 01:19 |
| ogra | tseng, ok | 01:19 |
| infinito | i tought universe depended on more people, curious | 01:20 |
| \sh | ogra is heman..dholbach is beastman | 01:20 |
| ogra | heh | 01:20 |
| \sh | and we're castle greyskull | 01:20 |
| infinito | hehehe :D | 01:21 |
| \sh | and elmo is god ;-) | 01:21 |
| \sh | and daniels is god2 ,-) | 01:21 |
| tseng | uh | 01:21 |
| \sh | I forgot..sry...tseng is monoman | 01:22 |
| tseng | i mean, daniels | 01:22 |
| tseng | comeon | 01:22 |
| \sh | well..he is bored...he throws xorg packages from heaven and everything burns..he must be god2 | 01:22 |
| \sh | and next time I will receive xorg source by mail *lol* | 01:23 |
| ogra | yes, daniels is abusing his power wildly currently :) | 01:23 |
| \sh | randomly is better | 01:25 |
| \sh | well..at 5 sherif will come and try out my new washing machine ;) | 01:25 |
| Amaranth | universe is about 20 people handling about 20,000 packages | 01:27 |
| Amaranth | :0 | 01:27 |
| Amaranth | if you have time, please help :) | 01:27 |
| \sh | 20k packages? | 01:27 |
| Amaranth | not really | 01:27 |
| Amaranth | well, it's probably close | 01:27 |
| Amaranth | call it a rounding error | 01:28 |
| === \sh needs to have an appointment to clone himself | ||
| ogra | Amaranth, hey, we're close to 30 already | 01:32 |
| === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === terrex [~terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| ogra | finally | 02:10 |
| ogra | http://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/59-Linux-Ball-Utnubu.html | 02:10 |
| Lathiat_ | ha ha ha | 02:17 |
| Lathiat_ | (the name) | 02:18 |
| \sh | ogra: read it :( | 02:19 |
| ogra | \sh, yes, isnt it great ? | 02:19 |
| ogra | will save us a lot of work, no RFPs, no ITPs etc | 02:20 |
| mitsuhiko | great | 02:20 |
| \sh | yeah | 02:20 |
| mitsuhiko | (but the name is stupid) | 02:21 |
| Lathiat_ | i love the name | 02:21 |
| \sh | ok..kdelibs for i386 is there | 02:21 |
| comadreja | that's nice | 02:21 |
| \sh | update now..it's hot hot hot | 02:21 |
| ogra | bah | 02:21 |
| \sh | ppc as well | 02:21 |
| ogra | bah++ | 02:22 |
| ogra | WHERE IS AMD64 ! | 02:22 |
| ogra | :) | 02:22 |
| tseng | hm | 02:23 |
| tseng | that is a nice project | 02:23 |
| \sh | ogra: kick them from .fi to their workplace *lol* | 02:23 |
| ogra | tseng, your way into debian ? | 02:23 |
| tseng | ogra: how do you mean? | 02:23 |
| ogra | \sh, it ends tomorrow.... and i'm sad i decided not to go | 02:23 |
| ogra | tseng, they want support ubuntu devs to become DDs | 02:24 |
| \sh | ogra: sometimes we don't have any choice.. | 02:24 |
| ogra | yep :/ | 02:24 |
| tseng | ogra: hm | 02:24 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: "they" in this context seemed to include Mark | 02:24 |
| tseng | ogra: it seems very time consuming | 02:24 |
| tseng | meebey still hasnt finished NM | 02:24 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, i know he wants us to be DDs :) | 02:25 |
| tseng | #utnubu is empty | 02:27 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: you should have been here. It's been a huge blast and loads and loads of fun | 02:27 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, i know... alone for the mdz/hanna session it would have been worth it | 02:27 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, but i'll go to mexico next time :) | 02:28 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: excellent | 02:28 |
| tseng | Mithrandir: get well karianne :( | 02:28 |
| tseng | did they say where in mexico? | 02:28 |
| === herzi [~herzi@c197212.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| Mithrandir | tseng: she's home and fine now | 02:29 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: Mexico City, I think | 02:29 |
| tseng | hm | 02:29 |
| === bddebian [~bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === blueyed [~daniel@i528C303F.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| bddebian | Wake up people! :-) | 02:48 |
| === blueyed [~daniel@i528C303F.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === blueyed [~daniel@i528C303F.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === herve [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| herve | hello | 03:30 |
| bddebian | Heya herve | 03:39 |
| tseng | holy crap wow | 03:50 |
| tseng | http://more-cowbell.org/ < this came out a week or 2 ago, but i just now built it | 03:50 |
| tseng | its brilliant | 03:50 |
| Lathiat_ | yeh | 03:53 |
| === jamessan|laptop [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| tseng | whiprush: dude, ruffle isnt crashing nearly as much here now | 04:03 |
| === terrex [~terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| tseng | whiprush: oh, and i made a blog just for you | 04:30 |
| StoneTable | tseng: where's your blog? | 04:31 |
| tseng | you can read on planet.ubuntu.com | 04:31 |
| StoneTable | ah, cool | 04:31 |
| tseng | but tseng.ath.cx/log | 04:31 |
| StoneTable | cowbell looks sweet! | 04:32 |
| tseng | hell yeah | 04:32 |
| tseng | i might work on a deb later for breezy | 04:32 |
| StoneTable | excellent | 04:33 |
| tseng | oh check the battery applet | 04:33 |
| === terrex [~terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| slomo | is X (including headers) in breezy working again? | 04:40 |
| StoneTable | it's working for me, but xbase-clients is still held back and a few people here have had problems with -42 | 04:44 |
| herve | I lost the use of the shift key and accents | 04:45 |
| comadreja | me the multi_key | 04:46 |
| herve | yeah, anything exotic in a word :-) | 04:47 |
| mitsuhiko | important question: is aptitude silly? aptitude upgrade and all my localisation packages where gone to /dev/null | 04:55 |
| === sturmkind [~Sascha@84.235.213.54] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| sturmkind | hello | 04:56 |
| === chris` [~chris@ACB50292.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| slomo | hrm X IS broken :/ in almost every package needing X it complains about missing headers while compiling... | 05:06 |
| jbailey | slomo: the headers moved, and the packages need tobe updated. | 05:06 |
| slomo | yes i already noticed that... but for example X11/Intrinsic.h is missing from libxt-dev | 05:07 |
| jbailey | /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Intrinsic.h | 05:10 |
| jbailey | That's in libxt-dev 6.8.2-42 | 05:11 |
| jbailey | Do you have -I/usr/X11R6/include on your gcc command line? | 05:11 |
| slomo | nope... but it was also in /usr/lib/X11 before ;) in which directory does it really belong? | 05:13 |
| === jbailey shrugs | ||
| jbailey | I try not to ask these questions. | 05:13 |
| jbailey | The X maintainer might eat me in my sleep. ;) | 05:14 |
| slomo | hehe... so what do you suggest? simply adding -I/usr/X11R6/include or asking him with the possibility of dying? ;) | 05:16 |
| jbailey | Adding the -I means that you can ignore the problem for now and get on with your life. But you also might have to go back to it. | 05:16 |
| jbailey | ISTR that Daniel's off at desktop con, so I don't expect you'll see him online much. | 05:17 |
| slomo | well it shouldn't hurt in the future when both /usr/X11R6/include and /usr/include/X11 are in the include path ;) | 05:19 |
| === herve [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === jbailey [~jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === maradong [~bhentges@vodsl-3646.vo.lu] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === ogra [~ogra@p5089DE72.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === herzi [~herzi@c197212.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === chris_ [~chris@ACB50292.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax7-051.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| pef | is revu dead ? or it is holidays effect :] | 07:18 |
| === poningru [~poningru@pool-71-101-7-23.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === thoron [petri@dsl-hkigw8pb5.dial.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| pef | bye ! | 08:44 |
| === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === pef [~loic@erodia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| slomo | tseng: will you make a cowbell package? otherwise i'll do one later ;) really nice, this app | 09:28 |
| tseng | i can do it | 09:28 |
| tseng | but you can too | 09:28 |
| tseng | if you want it its all yours. | 09:28 |
| tseng | i have alot of stuff | 09:28 |
| slomo | ok, then i'll make one... thanks :) | 09:30 |
| tseng | thanks | 09:30 |
| tseng | ping me when done | 09:30 |
| === bddebian has nothing.. :'-( | ||
| bddebian | :-) | 09:30 |
| ogra | bddebian, grab something then... there lies enough mess around | 09:31 |
| ogra | :) | 09:31 |
| slomo | bddebian: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps | 09:31 |
| slomo | bddebian: enough to do there ;) | 09:31 |
| bddebian | ogra: I try but apparently I keep grabbing "the wrong stuff" | 09:31 |
| bddebian | slomo: I started there too. For example, zorp. It need upgraded from upstream | 09:31 |
| tseng | slomo: you should join the ubuntu/debian mono team | 09:31 |
| tseng | slomo: didnt you do another mono package? | 09:31 |
| tseng | yes, nermele | 09:32 |
| tseng | nermerle | 09:32 |
| slomo | tseng: nemerle... yes, but currently one of the nemerle guys tries to get his own package into debian ;) | 09:32 |
| tseng | with your fixes? | 09:33 |
| slomo | tseng: no... seems like he doesn't like my fixes :/ currently his package doesn't conform to the policy | 09:33 |
| tseng | uh | 09:33 |
| bddebian | thoreauputic: Is that like a Psychoanalyst son of Odin? :-) | 09:33 |
| tseng | if he doesnt conform to policy | 09:34 |
| tseng | he is going to fix it or go away, basically | 09:34 |
| thoreauputic | bddebian: heh - think Thoreau and Civil Disobedience ;) | 09:34 |
| bddebian | Ahhh :-) | 09:34 |
| tseng | slomo: you cant put a package in debian that is against policy. | 09:35 |
| slomo | yes he tries to conform to them but i really don't know why he hasn't applied my changes as they made the package to conform... i think when nothing happens until next monday i'll do the package ;) | 09:35 |
| slomo | yes i know | 09:35 |
| === bddebian throws a dart at UniverseUnmetDeps | ||
| slomo | tseng: but he had a valid question: why must a cli package depend on mcs? for example nemerle doesn't need an c# compiler | 09:38 |
| === JDahl [~qwerty@ca-stmnca-cuda4-gen2v1-119.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| tseng | slomo: hm its already built? | 09:38 |
| JDahl | I saw that a new version of openafs-client (for kernel 2.6) finally entered Debian unstable. Is that likely to be included in Breezy? | 09:39 |
| slomo | tseng: it contains a already built nemerle compiler which then bootstraps a new one (the nemerle compiler is written in nemerle ;) ) | 09:39 |
| tseng | oh | 09:40 |
| tseng | clever | 09:40 |
| tseng | well if its really not C# to be built, then it doesnt need mcs | 09:40 |
| tseng | virtually everything we package is | 09:40 |
| slomo | maybe that's worth an exception in the policy? | 09:43 |
| tseng | you should really bring this kind of stuff up on #debian-mono btw | 09:43 |
| tseng | im not the lone authority on policy | 09:43 |
| tseng | http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/ | 09:44 |
| bddebian | OK, I am going to ask this again. If we don't have a package (libgmp3 in this case) but Debian does, how do you folks typically pull the debian packages? | 09:44 |
| tseng | ^ its a duopoly :) | 09:44 |
| tseng | bddebian: you get convince someone like ogra to take care of it for you | 09:44 |
| tseng | it requires freeze approval at this point | 09:45 |
| bddebian | Egads, is there anything I can actually do myself around here? :-) | 09:45 |
| ogra | ogra@honk:~/xss-1.1 $ apt-cache search libgmp3 | 09:45 |
| ogra | libgmp3 - Multiprecision arithmetic library | 09:45 |
| ogra | hmm | 09:45 |
| bddebian | ogra: On Breezy? I can't apt-get source?? | 09:45 |
| bddebian | And openswan fails on dependency on libgmp3 | 09:46 |
| bddebian | Hmm, I get back libgmp3c2 | 09:46 |
| Nafallo | same here | 09:47 |
| ogra | bddebian, yes, thats right | 09:47 |
| ogra | bddebian, libgmp3 is the old libstdc++5 version | 09:47 |
| ogra | you certainly want gmp3c2 | 09:48 |
| bddebian | Ah, so openswan needs fixed to depend libgmp3c2 | 09:48 |
| bddebian | ? | 09:48 |
| ogra | nope | 09:48 |
| === bddebian is hopeless | ||
| ogra | ost likely just a rebuild.... guessing it depends on libgmp3-dev | 09:48 |
| === chris_ [~chris@ACB50292.ipt.aol.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Verlassend"] | ||
| bddebian | or helpless | 09:48 |
| ogra | s/ost/most | 09:48 |
| === bddebian attempts a rebuild | ||
| comadreja | ogra, regarding gcl... | 09:51 |
| comadreja | I've been writing the developer, because current version doesn't build | 09:52 |
| comadreja | he's gonna release 2.6.7, should I try to package that, or wait for debian's ? | 09:52 |
| bddebian | Hmm, why doesn't openswan have a ubuntuX version? | 09:52 |
| Nafallo | bddebian: noone touched it? :-) | 09:53 |
| bddebian | If I just rebuild it would I need a new version number? | 09:53 |
| tseng | Xbuild1 | 09:53 |
| bddebian | huh? | 09:54 |
| bddebian | 2.2.0-11build1? | 09:54 |
| tseng | X = debian version | 09:54 |
| tseng | sure | 09:54 |
| bddebian | Whacky | 09:54 |
| tseng | not really | 09:54 |
| ogra | comadreja, any ETA for it ntering debian ? | 09:54 |
| comadreja | nopes, I'll write the maintainer | 09:55 |
| ogra | great.. | 09:55 |
| comadreja | oh, the maintainer is the developer :) so I'll ask him directly | 09:56 |
| slomo | tseng: when a cli package uses some native libraries via [DllImport ...] which package has to be added to the depends? -dev or the normal package? | 09:57 |
| tseng | the normal package | 09:57 |
| tseng | if it does dllimport foo.so | 09:58 |
| tseng | and it doesnt already have a dllmap to foo.so.0 | 09:58 |
| tseng | you need to make one | 09:58 |
| tseng | this is in the policy | 09:58 |
| bddebian | Nice, openswan FTBFSs | 10:00 |
| slomo | tseng: ok, is it the same for .exe and .dll? just create the file and put it next to the .exe? | 10:01 |
| tseng | yes | 10:01 |
| tseng | foo.exe.config | 10:02 |
| lamont | gai looks cute (or rather, the build failure does) | 10:05 |
| bddebian | invalid lvalue in assignment sounds like a gcc-4.x issue right?? | 10:06 |
| Mithrandir | yes | 10:06 |
| Mithrandir | though, it has never been valid C | 10:06 |
| Mithrandir | don't cast lvalues you are assigning to | 10:07 |
| bddebian | It isn't my code :-) | 10:07 |
| Mithrandir | heh | 10:07 |
| bddebian | Anyone have the patience to explain to my dumb ass, what that exactly means? :-) | 10:10 |
| Mithrandir | bddebian: http://www.cs.ust.hk/~keithlau/Pilot/doc/gcc/gcc_63.html | 10:11 |
| bddebian | Mithrandir: Thx | 10:11 |
| Lathiat | heh casting lvalues | 10:13 |
| Mithrandir | that's the usual cause | 10:13 |
| === Arrogance [~aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-75-55.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| bddebian | So why would "MALLOC(sizeof(struct sadb_sa)))) faile? | 10:19 |
| bddebian | -e | 10:19 |
| Mithrandir | what does it expand to? | 10:22 |
| bddebian | Uhm, dunno | 10:24 |
| Mithrandir | gcc -E is your friend. | 10:24 |
| Mithrandir | where is the MALLOC macro defined? | 10:24 |
| bddebian | Same code: define MALLOC(size) kmalloc(size, GFP_ATOMIC) | 10:25 |
| Mithrandir | you're trying to compile kernel code with gcc4? | 10:25 |
| bddebian | Shouldn't be, it's openswan | 10:26 |
| comadreja | openswan has kernel modules | 10:26 |
| bddebian | Ohh, it has a kernel patch | 10:26 |
| bddebian | fuXX0r | 10:26 |
| Mithrandir | kmalloc is kernel stuff | 10:26 |
| Mithrandir | GFP_ATOMIC even more so | 10:26 |
| === bddebian just goes back to Windows where it's "safe" ;-P | ||
| comadreja | it's neither safe to compile kernel code with gcc-4.0 on windows :) | 10:27 |
| === Mithrandir hits bddebian over the head with a 2-by-4. | ||
| Mithrandir | :P | 10:27 |
| bddebian | comadreja: Well I seem to keep getting in over my head soo.. :-) | 10:28 |
| === comadreja thinks windows is evil | ||
| Nafallo | comadreja++ :-) | 10:28 |
| === bddebian breaks 2x4 with steel plate in his head | ||
| === tritium [~tritium@12-208-96-155.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| bddebian | Heya tritium, welcome to #barry-is-an-idiot :-) | 10:33 |
| tritium | bddebian, hi there. Why do you say that? | 10:33 |
| bddebian | Uhm because it's true? :-) | 10:33 |
| tritium | oh, nonsense | 10:34 |
| ogra | bddebian, just build it with gcc-3.4 :) | 10:34 |
| tritium | it makes me sad that you're always down on yourself bddebian | 10:34 |
| ogra | bddebian, look at the control and rules file of ffmpeg if you want a tamplate | 10:34 |
| ogra | template even | 10:35 |
| bddebian | ogra: For? | 10:35 |
| bddebian | tritium: Sorry man ignore me, I have esteem issues (in case you couldn't tell :-) ) | 10:35 |
| ogra | bddebian, making it build with gcc-3.4 instead of 4.0 | 10:35 |
| bddebian | ogra: Ahh | 10:35 |
| slomo | tseng: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=150 | 10:41 |
| tseng | doesnt it need libtag1c? | 10:42 |
| tseng | or whatever it was | 10:42 |
| slomo | sure but the binary dependency is pulled in by dh_clideps | 10:43 |
| tseng | hm you dont even build-dep on gtk-sharp | 10:43 |
| tseng | no im not talking about binary | 10:43 |
| tseng | you need to fill out every build-dep | 10:43 |
| tseng | or it will fail in chroot | 10:43 |
| tseng | use pbuilder to test (PbuilderHowto on wiki) | 10:43 |
| slomo | oh, i've really forgotten gtk# :/ sorry... but the libtag1-dev dependency is in Build-Depends-Indep (and it has to be the -dev package as configure tries to call taglib-config which is in the -dev package) | 10:44 |
| tseng | i know but iirc he uses the C bindings | 10:45 |
| tseng | libtag1-dev is C++ | 10:45 |
| slomo | yes he uses the C bindings... but the at build time these -dev files aren't needed... it only needs taglib-config at build time | 10:46 |
| tseng | it doesnt need C bindings at build time? | 10:46 |
| tseng | meh, ok | 10:46 |
| tseng | make sure it passes pbuilder please. | 10:47 |
| tseng | or it will surely fail on ubuntu buildd | 10:47 |
| tseng | and lamont will come after you | 10:47 |
| slomo | yes... but first i've to create a new pbuilder chroot... mine is polluted :/ | 10:47 |
| pef | just a question, if a package has Depends libfoo >=1.3, and libfoo in breezy is at 1.5, should I update the dependency to libfoo >=1.5 ? | 10:47 |
| tseng | pef: no, the depend should be the lowest usable | 10:48 |
| tseng | pef: if the app only builds with 1.4 now, update it.. but dont just do it for no reason. | 10:48 |
| bddebian | ogra: Why is ffmpeg only forcing gcc-3.4 for powerpc-linux and i486-linux-gnu? | 10:48 |
| === maradong [~bhentges@vodsl-3646.vo.lu] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| pef | tseng: thanks ;) | 10:49 |
| ogra | bddebian, because it works fine with gcc-4.0 on amd64 ;) | 10:49 |
| tseng | nps | 10:49 |
| bddebian | ogra: I mean, why i486-linux-xx vs. ix86-linux? I thought it defaulted to i386-linux-gnu? | 10:50 |
| ogra | bddebian, gcc -dumpmachine | 10:53 |
| === bddebian has sooo much to learn it's depressing | ||
| bddebian | Thanks ogra | 10:53 |
| ajmitch | fun, http://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/59-Linux-Ball-Utnubu.html | 10:55 |
| ajmitch | some of us may wish to join that group if possible :) | 10:56 |
| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 10:56 |
| ajmitch | hi | 10:56 |
| pef | bye ! | 11:00 |
| slomo | tseng: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=152 | 11:01 |
| === thoreauputic_ [~prospero@wolax9-237.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| tseng | looks better | 11:03 |
| tseng | have you run lintian/linda? | 11:03 |
| slomo | yes... only the normal "E: cowbell_0.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file breezy" and no warnings | 11:03 |
| tseng | rock on | 11:03 |
| tseng | let me build it | 11:03 |
| tseng | hm does it have any shlibs? | 11:05 |
| slomo | no | 11:05 |
| slomo | just an .exe and a skript to call mono | 11:06 |
| tseng | right all managed | 11:06 |
| tseng | he pinvokes the C stuff form the exe i guess | 11:06 |
| slomo | yes... imho not the cleanest solution but it works ;) | 11:07 |
| === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| tseng | nod | 11:08 |
| tseng | you learned alot with your last package :) | 11:10 |
| tseng | this one is nice | 11:10 |
| slomo | thanks :) which one do you mean with my last? the nemerle package? | 11:11 |
| tseng | yes | 11:11 |
| tseng | ok | 11:11 |
| tseng | you need to add pkg-config to build-dep | 11:11 |
| slomo | well that wasn't completly my package (as i said)... i've taken the package from the nemerle guy and changed it to conform to our cli policy | 11:12 |
| slomo | pl | 11:12 |
| slomo | ok | 11:12 |
| slomo | next time i'll test it myself... when i have a clean pbuilder chroot ;) my current one included almost complete gnome-devel and gtk# :( | 11:13 |
| tseng | eh | 11:14 |
| tseng | it cleans itself | 11:14 |
| tseng | im not sure how you managed that | 11:14 |
| ogra | you can run pbuilder login.... | 11:14 |
| tseng | and --save-after-login | 11:14 |
| tseng | yeah | 11:14 |
| tseng | but it takes a concentrated effort :) | 11:14 |
| ogra | but it doesnt make sense to do that | 11:14 |
| tseng | error CS0006: Cannot find assembly `/usr/lib/mono/gtk-sharp-2.0/glib-sharp.dll' | 11:14 |
| tseng | hm | 11:15 |
| slomo | yes that was the mistake ;) | 11:15 |
| slomo | hmmm | 11:15 |
| tseng | you need glib-cil | 11:15 |
| slomo | but libgtk2.0-cil depends on libglib2.0-cil | 11:15 |
| tseng | its supposed to | 11:16 |
| tseng | but dh_clideps segfaults in the buildd | 11:17 |
| tseng | and no one has told me why | 11:17 |
| slomo | hmmm | 11:17 |
| tseng | so it doesnt have deps set | 11:17 |
| tseng | or no, maybe it was dh_makeclilibs | 11:17 |
| tseng | so it is missing inter-deps | 11:17 |
| tseng | it doesnt segfault in my pbuilder, or on the other (ppc, amd64) buildd's | 11:18 |
| slomo | dh_makeclilibs isn't called... i thought it is only needed when the package contains some libraries usefull for other packages | 11:18 |
| tseng | no not yours | 11:18 |
| tseng | im talking about why gtk-sharp2 is fucked up | 11:18 |
| slomo | ah ok | 11:18 |
| tseng | you will need to add that builddep and hopefully infinity will remember me and fix it | 11:19 |
| slomo | only libglib2.0-cil or every other gtk# library it needs? e.g. libatk2.0-cil etc | 11:20 |
| tseng | no, the rest is fine | 11:20 |
| tseng | you need to add glib and pkg-config | 11:20 |
| tseng | and i will sign off | 11:20 |
| slomo | ok, uploaded... and in a few minutes my clean pbuilder chroot is ready ;) | 11:22 |
| tseng | k | 11:23 |
| slomo | tseng: compiles and is installable with my new pbuilder chroot :) btw, will mono 1.1.8 be in breezy? | 11:31 |
| tseng | yes | 11:32 |
| tseng | and yes | 11:32 |
| tseng | its already on my laptop | 11:32 |
| slomo | ok... shall i search for someone who sponsors the cowbell package for debian? or leave this for utnubu? ;) | 11:40 |
| tseng | it would be nice to have a sponsor | 11:40 |
| tseng | but you need 2 more reviews for ubuntu | 11:40 |
| slomo | yes i know... is any motu here who has some free time and wants to look at the package? :) | 11:43 |
| === TMM [~hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
| tseng | heh | 11:54 |
| === GheRivero [~ghe@81.172.89.26] has joined #ubuntu-motu | ||
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!