[12:43] <havoc> bah, no linuxconf package
[12:51] <nn> linuxconf is crap anyways
[12:56] <havoc> I like it
[12:56] <bddebian> So package it :-)
[12:56] <havoc> which is why I like it ;)
[12:56] <bddebian> Heh
[12:56] <nn> stream cast is so lovely.. they're playing speak english or die :)
[12:56] <havoc> bddebian: I just may have to
[12:57] <havoc> yay 80's
[12:57] <bddebian> ugh
[12:57] <nn> heh i got XStreamCast running on ubuntu
[12:57] <bddebian> Heh, I've got the cap on old :-)
[12:57] <nn> now to port MutantMedia to linux and package it for ubuntu
[12:58] <bddebian> MutantMedia?
[12:58] <nn> embedded media player people where i work wrote
[12:58] <bddebian> Ah
[12:58] <nn> runs on our libOS
[12:59] <nn> exokernels are fun
[12:59] <bddebian> uKernel!
[12:59] <havoc> bddebian: how old is old?
[12:59] <bddebian> :-)
[12:59] <bddebian> havoc: 35
[12:59] <havoc> bddebian: you *barely* have me beat
[12:59] <nn> bddebian: something of that sort, except without the kernel :)
[01:00] <bddebian> nn: I know, I was joking.  I'm a GNU/Hurd "guy" :-)
[01:00] <nn> our "kernel" is a multiboot image of the dynamic linker
[01:00] <nn> then grub passes to it the libmachine, libio, libvmm, and libfs
[01:00] <havoc> geez, I need another beer
[01:00] <bddebian> nn: Interesting
[01:00] <havoc> so anyway, I put ubuntu on a 1.2TB fileserver this morning
[01:00] <nn> then it can load the rest of the libraries off the fs and the linker sets up emulation paths
[01:01] <bddebian> havoc: http://www.voresoel.dk/
[01:01] <pef_aw> bye !
[01:01] <havoc> bddebian: nah, just MGD
[01:01] <nn> bddebian: wanna know the cool part? :)
[01:01] <nn> bddebian: It runs linux binaries
[01:01] <nn> provided you have appropriate libs in place, of course
[01:02] <bddebian> nn: That is very interesting indeed.  Is this for a real-time application?
[01:02] <nn> bddebian: right now it's an experiment
[01:03] <bddebian> Ah
[01:03] <nn> bddebian: see, i was working on an emulation project
[01:03] <nn> for college
[01:03] <bddebian> Well GNU/Hurd is about a 15 year old experiment too.. ;-P
[01:03] <havoc> heh
[01:03] <nn> Realized an exokernel is -perfect- for emulation because you can substitute any part of the system on the go
[01:07] <nn> bddebian: right now it's very messy (code is cleanish, but the build system is under development and crashs a lot)
[01:08] <nn> also, some people wont like the fact that it's mostly objc
[01:08] <nn> but NeXT was objc and very nice on a 33mhz m68000-class
[04:35] <bddebian> tritium: Up late? :-)
[04:35] <tritium> bddebian, yep.  You too, eh?
[04:35] <crimsun> this is late?
[04:35] <bddebian> Always :-)
[04:35] <bddebian> Well not yet
[04:35] <tritium> Hey there, crimsun :)
[04:36] <crimsun> 'lo tritium, bddebian
[04:36] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[04:37] <tritium> What are you up to, guys/
[04:37] <tritium> ?
[04:37] <bddebian> Trying to figure out what to fail at next :-)
[04:38] <bddebian> You?
[04:38] <tritium> Taking a break this evening.
[04:38] <crimsun> I'm staring sadly at the pile of work that's keeping me indoors on a Saturday night.
[04:39] <bddebian> Heh
[04:39] <tritium> that's no fun
[04:49] <bddebian> So any thoughts as to what I should fsck up next? :-)
[04:55] <Amaranth> http://rlove.org/log/2005071601
[04:55] <Amaranth> kick ass
[04:55] <tritium> bddebian, you're too hard on yourself
[04:56] <bddebian> Well I wanna help out but feel like I'm floundering about
[04:58] <tritium> nah
[05:01] <bddebian> yah
[05:12] <bddebian> Do be do be doo
[05:40] <tritium> sing it, Sinatra
[05:42] <bddebian> heh
[05:43] <bddebian> Well if I can't hack, might as well sing :-)
[08:54] <\sh> morning
[09:42] <schweeb> not too shabby
[09:43] <schweeb> heh
[09:44] <\sh> so he can kick arts, kde* and I can work further ;)
[09:49] <Amaranth> kick them?
[09:50] <Amaranth> just upload new revisions?
[09:50] <\sh> upload
[09:50] <\sh> new revs...
[10:02] <Amaranth> oh, i thought you meant kick something on the buildd
[10:02] <Amaranth> err, off
[10:23] <Burgundavia> Lathiat_, ping
[10:24] <Burgundavia> Lathiat_, can you cleanup and bring up to date https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NvidiaLaptopBinaryDriverSuspend#preview
[10:25] <Lathiat_> Burgundavia: its perfectly up to date?
[10:25] <Burgundavia> Lathiat_, is it?
[10:26] <Lathiat_> Burgundavia: yes
[10:26] <Burgundavia> ok, cheers
[10:26] <Lathiat_> it doesnt work for everyone
[10:26] <Lathiat_> works for me
[10:26] <Lathiat_> shrug
[10:46] <pef> hi
[11:12] <Riddell> \sh: hmm?
[11:15] <\sh> riddell: xcursor stuff is done...arts is building nicely
[11:16] <Riddell> I'm wondering if I need a versioned build-dep on xcursor from arts
[11:17] <\sh> hmmm....
[11:17] <\sh> it's included from somewhere ele
[11:17] <\sh> +s
[11:18] <Riddell> yes, so I'm not sure
[11:20] <\sh> give it a try, first without and if it's not working, then with versioned b-d
[11:21] <Burgundavia> wonder who this is going to go? http://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/59-Linux-Ball-Utnubu.html
[11:21] <cat> hey people
[11:22] <Riddell> \sh: it's work without for e.g. not for amd64 since xcursor isn't built for th
[11:22] <Riddell> at yet
[11:23] <Riddell> \sh: it's work without for e.g. not for amd64 since xcursor isn't built for that yet
[11:23] <cat> oh boy,
[11:23] <\sh> Riddell: I hope the buildd has a queue management
[11:24] <\sh> Riddell: i mean if it compiles the sources in the order when they were uploaded
[11:24] <cat> what's going on Riddell ?
[11:24] <Riddell> rebuilding KDE
[11:25] <cat> any expecific issues?
[11:26] <\sh> riddell: btw...is it possible to provide only main upload rights for kde* stuff?
[11:30] <Riddell> \sh: technically no but it's possible to ask for it, strictly speaking I only have main upload rights for k*
[11:30] <Riddell> cat: libXrender.la was removed
[11:31] <Riddell> ok, arts and kdelibs uploaded
[11:31] <\sh> hehe...
[11:31] <\sh> I will take the blame :) i will tell anybody, I forced u to upload ,-)
[11:38] <cat> lol
[11:49] <cat> hey if i want to help out packaging what should i do?
[11:49] <cat> any developers here?
[11:50] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGettingIntoIt?highlight=%28CategoryMOTU%29
[11:51] <cat> alright
[11:52] <cat> so if i want to make up a packaged? what do i do?
[11:52] <cat> who do i give it to
[11:52] <cat> ?
[11:53] <Burgundavia> REVU
[11:53] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[12:01] <cat> hey Burgundavia how can i put my key sing on a file for example
[12:01] <Burgundavia> no idea
[12:01] <cat> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
[12:01] <cat> Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux)
[12:01] <cat> iD8DBQFC1RHC/YHuPfZ5NNgRAsM8AKCAMundUAvFDmgjIiKZZWtDOpL+9gCgkybn
[12:01] <cat> v0DCaKIOJSoG2TE+31qGJ7k=
[12:01] <cat> =ZabX
[12:01] <cat> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
[12:02] <\sh> --clearsign?
[12:02] <\sh> or do u want to sign the CoC?
[12:02] <\sh> there is launchpad for it :)
[12:03] <cat> i want to sign up the package ircii-pana_1.1-1.dsc
[12:03] <\sh> oh
[12:04] <\sh> use debuild -S -k<your emailaddr>
[12:04] <\sh> to sign a package with a different maintainer...or do dch -i and debuild -S
[12:04] <Mithrandir> or just debsign
[12:05] <\sh> or this
[12:05] <\sh> Mithrandir: btw...I need to provide a new ssh key for ravel...the old one was destroyed *damn* and I forgot to backup it
[12:06] <Mithrandir> \sh: just send it to me in a signed mail.
[12:06] <Mithrandir> note that I'll be travelling tomorrow and my network is a bit flaky, so I might not get to it immediately, but I'll try.
[12:06] <\sh> Mithrandir: will do...I will wait but for the next xorg update ,-) can be that I have to reinstall everything again here
[12:07] <\sh> Mithrandir: it's not so important right now..amd64 is still broken ,-)
[12:08] <Mithrandir> \sh: put your ssh key on a USB stick or something?
[12:08] <\sh> Mithrandir: well yes :) my gpg is on it...but I created the key after that...and forgot it all the time
[12:08] <cat> is not working
[12:20] <Lathiat_> what i'd love is some kind of small bluetooth device with storage
[12:20] <Lathiat_> to store things like keys on
[12:20] <Lathiat_> obivously not using bluetooth security
[12:21] <Lathiat_> something like the new thinkpad tpm
[12:21] <Mithrandir> is there anything like bluetooth storage device in the bluetooth profiles?
[12:22] <mitsuhiko> could it be that rosetta is down?
[12:23] <Burgundavia> mitsuhiko, rosetta is having issues, from what I understand
[12:23] <mitsuhiko> Burgundavia: hm. not good
[01:10] <infinito> hi
[01:11] <infinito> does anyone know howto get an UniverseCandidate into Universe?
[01:12] <ogra> if youre a MOTU, you build a package, upload it to revu and after 3 people have reviewed it, it gets included
[01:13] <ogra> if youre not a MOTU you need to find one who helps you ;)
[01:13] <tseng> he doesnt have to be a motu to upload to revu?
[01:13] <ogra> or become one
[01:13] <ogra> tseng, but its very helpful to be one ;)
[01:13] <tseng> it is.
[01:14] <infinito> ummm, let's see
[01:14] <\sh> recruite recruite
[01:14] <\sh> good morning ogra *lol*
[01:14] <infinito> what can i exactly do (im not a motu, obviusly)
[01:14] <ogra> infinito, i know :)
[01:14] <ogra> infinito, you can prepare a package and work with the MOTUs....
[01:15] <infinito> the package is already done (with done ubuntu and debian pkg), and it's already on debian sid
[01:16] <infinito> any motu want to help me to get GCfilms into ubuntu?
[01:16] <ogra> infinito, if its already in sid, we dont need a ubuntu package, we can ust ask for a sync of the debian package
[01:17] <infinito> yes, it's on debian
[01:17] <ogra> great.... so as soon as elmo is back we can ask him to syn it...
[01:17] <ogra> (elmo is the master of our servers)
[01:17] <infinito> oooohhhh great!
[01:18] <tseng> ogra: eh, dont we need kamion now
[01:18] <infinito> when will be that? (im an anxiuos guy)
[01:18] <infinito> ;)
[01:18] <tseng> he is at debconf
[01:18] <tseng> and doesnt work weekends anyway
[01:18] <ogra> tseng, yes, for a review, but universe will be handled very loosely
[01:19] <tseng> ogra: ok.
[01:19] <tseng> i want to sync boo to universe also
[01:19] <ogra> tseng, ok
[01:20] <infinito> i tought universe depended on more people, curious
[01:20] <\sh> ogra is heman..dholbach is beastman
[01:20] <ogra> heh
[01:20] <\sh> and we're castle greyskull
[01:21] <infinito> hehehe :D
[01:21] <\sh> and elmo is god ;-)
[01:21] <\sh> and daniels is god2 ,-)
[01:21] <tseng> uh
[01:22] <\sh> I forgot..sry...tseng is monoman
[01:22] <tseng> i mean, daniels
[01:22] <tseng> comeon
[01:22] <\sh> well..he is bored...he throws xorg packages from heaven and everything burns..he must be god2
[01:23] <\sh> and next time I will receive xorg source by mail *lol*
[01:23] <ogra> yes, daniels is abusing his power wildly currently :)
[01:25] <\sh> randomly is better
[01:25] <\sh> well..at 5 sherif will come and try out my new washing machine ;)
[01:27] <Amaranth> universe is about 20 people handling about 20,000 packages
[01:27] <Amaranth> :0
[01:27] <Amaranth> if you have time, please help :)
[01:27] <\sh> 20k packages?
[01:27] <Amaranth> not really
[01:27] <Amaranth> well, it's probably close
[01:28] <Amaranth> call it a rounding error
[01:32] <ogra> Amaranth, hey, we're close to 30 already
[02:10] <ogra> finally
[02:10] <ogra> http://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/59-Linux-Ball-Utnubu.html
[02:17] <Lathiat_> ha ha ha
[02:18] <Lathiat_> (the name)
[02:19] <\sh> ogra: read it :(
[02:19] <ogra> \sh, yes, isnt it great ?
[02:20] <ogra> will save us a lot of work, no RFPs, no ITPs etc
[02:20] <mitsuhiko> great
[02:20] <\sh> yeah
[02:21] <mitsuhiko> (but the name is stupid)
[02:21] <Lathiat_> i love the name
[02:21] <\sh> ok..kdelibs for i386 is there
[02:21] <comadreja> that's nice
[02:21] <\sh> update now..it's hot hot hot
[02:21] <ogra> bah
[02:21] <\sh> ppc as well
[02:22] <ogra> bah++
[02:22] <ogra> WHERE IS AMD64 !
[02:22] <ogra> :)
[02:23] <tseng> hm
[02:23] <tseng> that is a nice project
[02:23] <\sh> ogra: kick them from .fi to their workplace *lol*
[02:23] <ogra> tseng, your way into debian ?
[02:23] <tseng> ogra: how do you mean?
[02:23] <ogra> \sh, it ends tomorrow.... and i'm sad i decided not to go
[02:24] <ogra> tseng, they want support ubuntu devs to become DDs
[02:24] <\sh> ogra: sometimes we don't have any choice..
[02:24] <ogra> yep :/
[02:24] <tseng> ogra: hm
[02:24] <Mithrandir> ogra: "they" in this context seemed to include Mark
[02:24] <tseng> ogra: it seems very time consuming
[02:24] <tseng> meebey still hasnt finished NM
[02:25] <ogra> Mithrandir, i know he wants us to be DDs :)
[02:27] <tseng> #utnubu is empty
[02:27] <Mithrandir> ogra: you should have been here.  It's been a huge blast and loads and loads of fun
[02:27] <ogra> Mithrandir, i know... alone for  the mdz/hanna session it would have been worth it
[02:28] <ogra> Mithrandir, but i'll go to mexico next time :)
[02:28] <Mithrandir> ogra: excellent
[02:28] <tseng> Mithrandir: get well karianne :(
[02:28] <tseng> did they say where in mexico?
[02:29] <Mithrandir> tseng: she's home and fine now
[02:29] <Mithrandir> tseng: Mexico City, I think
[02:29] <tseng> hm
[02:48] <bddebian> Wake up people! :-)
[03:30] <herve> hello
[03:39] <bddebian> Heya herve
[03:50] <tseng> holy crap wow
[03:50] <tseng> http://more-cowbell.org/ < this came out a week or 2 ago, but i just now built it
[03:50] <tseng> its brilliant
[03:53] <Lathiat_> yeh
[04:03] <tseng> whiprush: dude, ruffle isnt crashing nearly as much here now
[04:30] <tseng> whiprush: oh, and i made a blog just for you
[04:31] <StoneTable> tseng:  where's your blog?
[04:31] <tseng> you can read on planet.ubuntu.com
[04:31] <StoneTable> ah, cool
[04:31] <tseng> but tseng.ath.cx/log
[04:32] <StoneTable> cowbell looks sweet!
[04:32] <tseng> hell yeah
[04:32] <tseng> i might work on a deb later for breezy
[04:33] <StoneTable> excellent
[04:33] <tseng> oh check the battery applet
[04:40] <slomo> is X (including headers) in breezy working again?
[04:44] <StoneTable> it's working for me, but xbase-clients is still held back and a few people here have had problems with -42
[04:45] <herve> I lost the use of the shift key and accents
[04:46] <comadreja> me the multi_key
[04:47] <herve> yeah, anything exotic in a word :-)
[04:55] <mitsuhiko> important question: is aptitude silly? aptitude upgrade and all my localisation packages where gone to /dev/null
[04:56] <sturmkind> hello
[05:06] <slomo> hrm X IS broken :/ in almost every package needing X it complains about missing headers while compiling...
[05:06] <jbailey> slomo: the headers moved, and the packages need tobe updated.
[05:07] <slomo> yes i already noticed that... but for example X11/Intrinsic.h is missing from libxt-dev
[05:10] <jbailey> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Intrinsic.h
[05:11] <jbailey> That's in libxt-dev 6.8.2-42
[05:11] <jbailey> Do you have -I/usr/X11R6/include on your gcc command line?
[05:13] <slomo> nope... but it was also in /usr/lib/X11 before ;) in which directory does it really belong?
[05:13] <jbailey> I try not to ask these questions.
[05:14] <jbailey> The X maintainer might eat me in my sleep. ;)
[05:16] <slomo> hehe... so what do you suggest? simply adding -I/usr/X11R6/include or asking him with the possibility of dying? ;)
[05:16] <jbailey> Adding the -I means that you can ignore the problem for now and get on with your life.  But you also might have to go back to it.
[05:17] <jbailey> ISTR that Daniel's off at desktop con, so I don't expect you'll see him online much.
[05:19] <slomo> well it shouldn't hurt in the future when both /usr/X11R6/include and /usr/include/X11 are in the include path ;)
[07:18] <pef> is revu dead ? or it is holidays effect :] 
[08:44] <pef> bye !
[09:28] <slomo> tseng: will you make a cowbell package? otherwise i'll do one later ;) really nice, this app
[09:28] <tseng> i can do it
[09:28] <tseng> but you can too
[09:28] <tseng> if you want it its all yours.
[09:28] <tseng> i have alot of stuff
[09:30] <slomo> ok, then i'll make one... thanks :)
[09:30] <tseng> thanks
[09:30] <tseng> ping me when done
[09:30] <bddebian> :-)
[09:31] <ogra> bddebian, grab something then... there lies enough mess around
[09:31] <ogra> :)
[09:31] <slomo> bddebian: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps
[09:31] <slomo> bddebian: enough to do there ;)
[09:31] <bddebian> ogra: I try but apparently I keep grabbing "the wrong stuff"
[09:31] <bddebian> slomo: I started there too.  For example, zorp.  It need upgraded from upstream
[09:31] <tseng> slomo: you should join the ubuntu/debian mono team
[09:31] <tseng> slomo: didnt you do another mono package?
[09:32] <tseng> yes, nermele
[09:32] <tseng> nermerle
[09:32] <slomo> tseng: nemerle... yes, but currently one of the nemerle guys tries to get his own package into debian ;)
[09:33] <tseng> with your fixes?
[09:33] <slomo> tseng: no... seems like he doesn't like my fixes :/ currently his package doesn't conform to the policy
[09:33] <tseng> uh
[09:33] <bddebian> thoreauputic: Is that like a Psychoanalyst son of Odin? :-)
[09:34] <tseng> if he doesnt conform to policy
[09:34] <tseng> he is going to fix it or go away, basically
[09:34] <thoreauputic> bddebian: heh - think Thoreau and Civil Disobedience ;)
[09:34] <bddebian> Ahhh :-)
[09:35] <tseng> slomo: you cant put a package in debian that is against policy.
[09:35] <slomo> yes he tries to conform to them but i really don't know why he hasn't applied my changes as they made the package to conform... i think when nothing happens until next monday i'll do the package ;)
[09:35] <slomo> yes i know
[09:38] <slomo> tseng: but he had a valid question: why must a cli package depend on mcs? for example nemerle doesn't need an c# compiler
[09:38] <tseng> slomo: hm its already built?
[09:39] <JDahl> I saw that a new version of openafs-client (for kernel 2.6) finally entered Debian unstable. Is that likely to be included in Breezy?
[09:39] <slomo> tseng: it contains a already built nemerle compiler which then bootstraps a new one (the nemerle compiler is written in nemerle ;) )
[09:40] <tseng> oh
[09:40] <tseng> clever
[09:40] <tseng> well if its really not C# to be built, then it doesnt need mcs
[09:40] <tseng> virtually everything we package is
[09:43] <slomo> maybe that's worth an exception in the policy?
[09:43] <tseng> you should really bring this kind of stuff up on #debian-mono btw
[09:43] <tseng> im not the lone authority on policy
[09:44] <tseng> http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/
[09:44] <bddebian> OK, I am going to ask this again.  If we don't have a package (libgmp3 in this case) but Debian does, how do you folks typically pull the debian packages?
[09:44] <tseng> ^ its a duopoly :)
[09:44] <tseng> bddebian: you get convince someone like ogra to take care of it for you
[09:45] <tseng> it requires freeze approval at this point
[09:45] <bddebian> Egads, is there anything I can actually do myself around here? :-)
[09:45] <ogra> ogra@honk:~/xss-1.1 $ apt-cache search libgmp3
[09:45] <ogra> libgmp3 - Multiprecision arithmetic library
[09:45] <ogra> hmm
[09:45] <bddebian> ogra: On Breezy? I can't apt-get source??
[09:46] <bddebian> And openswan fails on dependency on libgmp3
[09:46] <bddebian> Hmm, I get back libgmp3c2
[09:47] <Nafallo> same here
[09:47] <ogra> bddebian, yes, thats right
[09:47] <ogra> bddebian, libgmp3 is the old libstdc++5 version
[09:48] <ogra> you certainly want gmp3c2
[09:48] <bddebian> Ah, so openswan needs fixed to depend libgmp3c2
[09:48] <bddebian> ?
[09:48] <ogra> nope
[09:48] <ogra> ost likely just a rebuild.... guessing it depends on libgmp3-dev
[09:48] <bddebian> or helpless
[09:48] <ogra> s/ost/most
[09:51] <comadreja> ogra, regarding gcl...
[09:52] <comadreja> I've been writing the developer, because current version doesn't build
[09:52] <comadreja> he's gonna release 2.6.7, should I try to package that, or wait for debian's ?
[09:52] <bddebian> Hmm, why doesn't openswan have a ubuntuX version?
[09:53] <Nafallo> bddebian: noone touched it? :-)
[09:53] <bddebian> If I just rebuild it would I need a new version number?
[09:53] <tseng> Xbuild1
[09:54] <bddebian> huh?
[09:54] <bddebian>  2.2.0-11build1?
[09:54] <tseng> X = debian version
[09:54] <tseng> sure
[09:54] <bddebian> Whacky
[09:54] <tseng> not really
[09:54] <ogra> comadreja, any ETA for it ntering debian ?
[09:55] <comadreja> nopes, I'll write the maintainer
[09:55] <ogra> great..
[09:56] <comadreja> oh, the maintainer is the developer :) so I'll ask him directly
[09:57] <slomo> tseng: when a cli package uses some native libraries via [DllImport ...]  which package has to be added to the depends? -dev or the normal package?
[09:57] <tseng> the normal package
[09:58] <tseng> if it does dllimport foo.so
[09:58] <tseng> and it doesnt already have a dllmap to foo.so.0
[09:58] <tseng> you need to make one
[09:58] <tseng> this is in the policy
[10:00] <bddebian> Nice, openswan FTBFSs
[10:01] <slomo> tseng: ok, is it the same for .exe and .dll? just create the file and put it next to the .exe?
[10:01] <tseng> yes
[10:02] <tseng> foo.exe.config
[10:05] <lamont> gai looks cute (or rather, the build failure does)
[10:06] <bddebian> invalid lvalue in assignment sounds like a gcc-4.x issue right??
[10:06] <Mithrandir> yes
[10:06] <Mithrandir> though, it has never been valid C
[10:07] <Mithrandir> don't cast lvalues you are assigning to
[10:07] <bddebian> It isn't my code :-)
[10:07] <Mithrandir> heh
[10:10] <bddebian> Anyone have the patience to explain to my dumb ass, what that exactly means? :-)
[10:11] <Mithrandir> bddebian: http://www.cs.ust.hk/~keithlau/Pilot/doc/gcc/gcc_63.html
[10:11] <bddebian> Mithrandir: Thx
[10:13] <Lathiat> heh casting lvalues
[10:13] <Mithrandir> that's the usual cause
[10:19] <bddebian> So why would "MALLOC(sizeof(struct sadb_sa)))) faile?
[10:19] <bddebian> -e
[10:22] <Mithrandir> what does it expand to?
[10:24] <bddebian> Uhm, dunno
[10:24] <Mithrandir> gcc -E is your friend.
[10:24] <Mithrandir> where is the MALLOC macro defined?
[10:25] <bddebian> Same code:  define MALLOC(size) kmalloc(size, GFP_ATOMIC)
[10:25] <Mithrandir> you're trying to compile kernel code with gcc4?
[10:26] <bddebian> Shouldn't be, it's openswan
[10:26] <comadreja> openswan has kernel modules
[10:26] <bddebian> Ohh, it has a kernel patch
[10:26] <bddebian> fuXX0r
[10:26] <Mithrandir> kmalloc is kernel stuff
[10:26] <Mithrandir> GFP_ATOMIC even more so
[10:27] <comadreja> it's neither safe to compile kernel code with gcc-4.0 on windows :)
[10:27] <Mithrandir> :P
[10:28] <bddebian> comadreja: Well I seem to keep getting in over my head soo.. :-)
[10:28] <Nafallo> comadreja++ :-)
[10:33] <bddebian> Heya tritium, welcome to #barry-is-an-idiot :-)
[10:33] <tritium> bddebian, hi there.  Why do you say that?
[10:33] <bddebian> Uhm because it's true? :-)
[10:34] <tritium> oh, nonsense
[10:34] <ogra> bddebian, just build it with gcc-3.4 :)
[10:34] <tritium> it makes me sad that you're always down on yourself bddebian
[10:34] <ogra> bddebian, look at the control and rules file of ffmpeg if you want a tamplate
[10:35] <ogra> template even
[10:35] <bddebian> ogra: For?
[10:35] <bddebian> tritium: Sorry man ignore me, I have esteem issues (in case you couldn't tell :-) )
[10:35] <ogra> bddebian, making it build with gcc-3.4 instead of 4.0
[10:35] <bddebian> ogra: Ahh
[10:41] <slomo> tseng: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=150
[10:42] <tseng> doesnt it need libtag1c?
[10:42] <tseng> or whatever it was
[10:43] <slomo> sure but the binary dependency is pulled in by dh_clideps
[10:43] <tseng> hm you dont even build-dep on gtk-sharp
[10:43] <tseng> no im not talking about binary
[10:43] <tseng> you need to fill out every build-dep
[10:43] <tseng> or it will fail in chroot
[10:43] <tseng> use pbuilder to test (PbuilderHowto on wiki)
[10:44] <slomo> oh, i've really forgotten gtk# :/ sorry... but the libtag1-dev dependency is in Build-Depends-Indep (and it has to be the -dev package as configure tries to call taglib-config which is in the -dev package)
[10:45] <tseng> i know but iirc he uses the C bindings
[10:45] <tseng> libtag1-dev is C++
[10:46] <slomo> yes he uses the C bindings... but the at build time these -dev files aren't needed... it only needs taglib-config at build time
[10:46] <tseng> it doesnt need C bindings at build time?
[10:46] <tseng> meh, ok
[10:47] <tseng> make sure it passes pbuilder please.
[10:47] <tseng> or it will surely fail on ubuntu buildd
[10:47] <tseng> and lamont will come after you
[10:47] <slomo> yes... but first i've to create a new pbuilder chroot... mine is polluted :/
[10:47] <pef> just a question, if  a package has  Depends libfoo >=1.3, and libfoo in breezy is at 1.5, should I update the dependency to libfoo >=1.5 ?
[10:48] <tseng> pef: no, the depend should be the lowest usable
[10:48] <tseng> pef: if the app only builds with 1.4 now, update it.. but dont just do it for no reason.
[10:48] <bddebian> ogra: Why is ffmpeg only forcing gcc-3.4 for powerpc-linux and i486-linux-gnu?
[10:49] <pef> tseng: thanks ;)
[10:49] <ogra> bddebian, because it works fine with gcc-4.0 on amd64 ;)
[10:49] <tseng> nps
[10:50] <bddebian> ogra: I mean, why i486-linux-xx vs. ix86-linux?  I thought it defaulted to i386-linux-gnu?
[10:53] <ogra> bddebian, gcc -dumpmachine
[10:53] <bddebian> Thanks ogra
[10:55] <ajmitch> fun, http://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/59-Linux-Ball-Utnubu.html
[10:56] <ajmitch> some of us may wish to join that group if possible :)
[10:56] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:56] <ajmitch> hi
[11:00] <pef> bye !
[11:01] <slomo> tseng: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=152
[11:03] <tseng> looks better
[11:03] <tseng> have you run lintian/linda?
[11:03] <slomo> yes... only the normal "E: cowbell_0.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file breezy" and no warnings
[11:03] <tseng> rock on
[11:03] <tseng> let me build it
[11:05] <tseng> hm does it have any shlibs?
[11:05] <slomo> no
[11:06] <slomo> just an .exe and a skript to call mono
[11:06] <tseng> right all managed
[11:06] <tseng> he pinvokes the C stuff form the exe i guess
[11:07] <slomo> yes... imho not the cleanest solution but it works ;)
[11:08] <tseng> nod
[11:10] <tseng> you learned alot with your last package :)
[11:10] <tseng> this one is nice
[11:11] <slomo> thanks :) which one do you mean with my last? the nemerle package?
[11:11] <tseng> yes
[11:11] <tseng> ok
[11:11] <tseng> you need to add pkg-config to build-dep
[11:12] <slomo> well that wasn't completly my package (as i said)... i've taken the package from the nemerle guy and changed it to conform to our cli policy
[11:12] <slomo> pl
[11:12] <slomo> ok
[11:13] <slomo> next time i'll test it myself... when i have a clean pbuilder chroot ;) my current one included almost complete gnome-devel and gtk# :(
[11:14] <tseng> eh
[11:14] <tseng> it cleans itself
[11:14] <tseng> im not sure how you managed that
[11:14] <ogra> you can run pbuilder login....
[11:14] <tseng> and --save-after-login
[11:14] <tseng> yeah
[11:14] <tseng> but it takes a concentrated effort :)
[11:14] <ogra> but it doesnt make sense to do that
[11:14] <tseng> error CS0006: Cannot find assembly `/usr/lib/mono/gtk-sharp-2.0/glib-sharp.dll'
[11:15] <tseng> hm
[11:15] <slomo> yes that was the mistake ;)
[11:15] <slomo> hmmm
[11:15] <tseng> you need glib-cil
[11:15] <slomo> but libgtk2.0-cil depends on libglib2.0-cil
[11:16] <tseng> its supposed to
[11:17] <tseng> but dh_clideps segfaults in the buildd
[11:17] <tseng> and no one has told me why
[11:17] <slomo> hmmm
[11:17] <tseng> so it doesnt have deps set
[11:17] <tseng> or no, maybe it was dh_makeclilibs
[11:17] <tseng> so it is missing inter-deps
[11:18] <tseng> it doesnt segfault in my pbuilder, or on the other (ppc, amd64) buildd's
[11:18] <slomo> dh_makeclilibs isn't called... i thought it is only needed when the package contains some libraries usefull for other packages
[11:18] <tseng> no not yours
[11:18] <tseng> im talking about why gtk-sharp2 is fucked up
[11:18] <slomo> ah ok
[11:19] <tseng> you will need to add that builddep and hopefully infinity will remember me and fix it
[11:20] <slomo> only libglib2.0-cil or every other gtk# library it needs? e.g. libatk2.0-cil etc
[11:20] <tseng> no, the rest is fine
[11:20] <tseng> you need to add glib and pkg-config
[11:20] <tseng> and i will sign off
[11:22] <slomo> ok, uploaded... and in a few minutes my clean pbuilder chroot is ready ;)
[11:23] <tseng> k
[11:31] <slomo> tseng: compiles and is installable with my new pbuilder chroot :) btw, will mono 1.1.8 be in breezy?
[11:32] <tseng> yes
[11:32] <tseng> and yes
[11:32] <tseng> its already on my laptop
[11:40] <slomo> ok... shall i search for someone who sponsors the cowbell package for debian? or leave this for utnubu? ;)
[11:40] <tseng> it would be nice to have a sponsor
[11:40] <tseng> but you need 2 more reviews for ubuntu
[11:43] <slomo> yes i know... is any motu here who has some free time and wants to look at the package? :)
[11:54] <tseng> heh