[12:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm having a problem in kmail..i view any message that has an attachment, and it shows the message part as an attachment instead of letting me view it.
[12:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh dumb..i have to choose that i don't prefer html.
[12:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> gay
[12:15] <apokryphos> BROKEN_LADDER: not gay
[12:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> i prefer html
[12:16] <testmad> apokryphos: can you help me with my dvdrw?
[12:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> but if i view a message, i want to be able to read it.
[12:16] <MacManX> Is there anyway to run a process to repair permissions?
[12:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> i've got to get to work unpacking in my new place instead of screwing off on my computer all day.
[12:16] <apokryphos> BROKEN_LADDER: sure; either way, doesn't make it gay
[12:16] <apokryphos> testmad: probably not, what's the prob?
[12:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's definitely gay
[12:17] <testmad> well..for one..when i put my doom3dvd in it..it locks up
[12:17] <testmad> doesnt read
[12:17] <testmad> 2..this desktop situation is messed up
[12:18] <testmad> i figured out how to add icons to devices on my desk..so thats ok now
[12:18] <testmad> but im still having problems with reading my doomdvd
[12:18] <testmad> do i need to enable DMA??
[12:19] <apokryphos> BROKEN_LADDER: it's definitely not; I'd like to see an argument that demonstrates how a particular format can have a sexual orientation
[12:20] <MacManX> Anybody know the command for repairing permissions under Kubuntu.  This great humanist linux really isn't being so great anymore.
[12:20] <apokryphos> testmad: hm, no idea. Not really sure about how Linux views anything other than CDs for just data (not bootable ones etc used in Windoze)
[12:21] <apokryphos> MacManX: repairing? How did they get "broken"?
[12:22] <MacManX> I'm not sure.  Basically, I can't go into "Administrator Mode" in kcontrol, and when I try to sudo kontrol, I get a whole strong of errors stating that that various files cannout be read because the UIDs are wrong.  Repairing permissions under OS X alos takes care of UIDs, so I figured that it would be the same for KDE.
[12:23] <vicesquad> hi folks!
[12:23] <apokryphos> MacManX: is that a new user trying to access kcontrol?
[12:23] <MacManX> Nope, I just installed this six hours ago.  I don't have a clue how to create new users yet.
[12:24] <apokryphos> MacManX: I don't really know, I guess you could try adding yourself to the subdoers list
[12:24] <apokryphos> MacManX: I'll tell you how, one sec
[12:26] <apokryphos> MacManX: type "sudo visudo" in a terminal, and on the last line, say, add {yourusername} ALL=(ALL) ALL
[12:26] <testmad> so when a drive is mounted..does it read all the files into mem or something?
[12:27] <thoreauputic> testmad: no it just 'connects" that file system so you can access it
[12:27] <testmad> hmm
[12:28] <testmad> could it be cus my dvdrw is mounted as cdrom..and not dvdr
[12:28] <testmad> ?
[12:28] <thoreauputic> it "maps" it in windows-speak
[12:28] <MacManX> Thanks, how do I save that?
[12:29] <testmad> where would i find the automount stuff??
[12:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> apokryphos gay doesn't mean sexual orientation in this case.
[12:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> it means stupid/effeminate (sp?)
[12:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> etc.
[12:34] <testmad> this is aggrevating
[12:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> any way to make a kde system hibernate as opposed to shut down?
[12:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> aggravating i think
[12:35] <testmad> whatever.
[12:35] <apokryphos> BROKEN_LADDER: derogatory slang
[12:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> yup
[12:35] <testmad> im bout ready to go back to xp
[12:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[12:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's bad.
[12:35] <apokryphos> MacManX: Ctrl X, then Y
[12:35] <testmad> i got it to mount..but when i open the drive..
[12:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i make kde hibernate dammit.
[12:36] <testmad> it just reads and reads and reads..
[12:36] <testmad> nothing happens
[12:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> linux is so much better than windows.
[12:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> i could see someone using os x perhaps.
[12:36] <testmad> not sofar it isnt
[12:36] <testmad> all i want is for cds and dvds to work when it goes into the drive
[12:36] <testmad> not all this dang drama
[12:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> never had any problems here.
[12:37] <MacManX> syntax error, line 22
[12:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> or if i did i've repressed them. ;)
[12:37] <testmad> wondering if running ubuntu would make things better..but then the wife would complain
[12:38] <testmad> this things been reading this dvd for like 3 mintes now
[12:38] <MacManX> Got it.  I had "add" in there.
[12:39] <apokryphos> :)
[12:39] <apokryphos> MacManX: I'm semi-away, so highlight me if you need anything :)
[12:39] <testmad> how do i turn off autoplay?
[12:39] <testmad> maybe thats the problem
[12:40] <MacManX> Eh, don't worry about it.  That seems to have completely destroyed my ability sudo anything.  Waaaaay too many problems in six hours.  I'm done with Kubuntu.
[12:41] <apokryphos> MacManX: er, did you put your username in properly?
[12:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> for the love of god how do i just make kde hibernate?
[12:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> there's no option for it.
[12:42] <testmad> xp is lookin better huh?
[12:42] <testmad> hehe
[12:42] <MacManX> I put it in as "username ALL=(ALL) ALL"
[12:43] <MacManX> There's no way to change it now though.  It seems to hang whenever I enter sudo anything.
[12:43] <apokryphos> MacManX: your username is username?
[12:43] <MacManX> yes
[12:43] <apokryphos> :|
[12:44] <MacManX> that's fine, don't worry about it.  Linux is kind of a 3rd wheel.   Not even my secondary OS.
[12:44] <kalenedrael> wee, macs
[12:44] <kalenedrael> macs are great, but the cost...
[12:45] <MacManX> Mac is my primary OS, WIndows is my secondary, used only if I need to, and I was hoping to get into Linux, but just as something fun.
[12:45] <kalenedrael> i think you'll find linux a lot more fun than windows
[12:45] <kalenedrael> sp2 >.<
[12:45] <MacManX> I find MacOS a lot more fun than Windows.
[12:45] <kalenedrael> yeah
[12:46] <kalenedrael> MacOS is a bit too weird for me though, the GUI is great but somehow a bit too unfamiliar
[12:46] <apokryphos> Linux really is very great; not entirely sure of the source of your problems... but I wouldn't let them let you rule out Linux. I'd say it's by far the funnest OS I've tried, and I don't even play games on it...
[12:47] <MacManX> Well, I'll give regular Ubuntu a shot later tonight.  I'd rather use KDE, but this has to be the 20th problem in a 2 hour period.
[12:47] <kalenedrael> what sort of 'problem'?
[12:48] <apokryphos> MacManX: really wonder what you've been doing :P. KDE is far better than GNOME, though, IMO. Nevertheless, you can still install it once you have Ubuntu
[12:48] <MacManX> Well, I wasn't able to active "Administrator Mode" in kontrol, so I tried to sudo it, and it threw up a whole bunch of UID errors.  So, I tried to specifially add myself as a sudo user via apokrypho's kind instructions, and now I can't sudo anything.
[12:48] <kalenedrael> umm
[12:48] <kalenedrael> ok, how about this
[12:48] <MacManX> I agree, KDE is far superior
[12:48] <MacManX> Honestly, I'd rather just forget the whole thing.
[12:49] <kalenedrael> make sure you have two lines in sudoers
[12:49] <kalenedrael> at least
[12:49] <kalenedrael> actually, three
[12:49] <kalenedrael> Defaults passwd_tries=5, timestamp_timeout=45, env_reset
[12:49] <MacManX> But I'm stubborn, so I'll see how long Ubuntu lasts, if it lasts past a week, I'll try Kubuntu again.  If not, OS X is going back on there.
[12:50] <MacManX> I'd love to make changes to that file again, but like I said, I can't sudo anything.
[12:50] <apokryphos> The "Administrator Mode" is a bug, but at the moment it's easily avoided by just kdesu kcontrol
[12:50] <kalenedrael> (that lets you try the pw 5 times before locking you out, 45 minutes of inactivity before sudo asks for pw, and sets root's environment)
[12:50] <MacManX> Yeah, I tried that, that's what threw out the UID error that caused this whole mess to begin with.
[12:50] <kalenedrael> you can't sudo anything...?
[12:50] <kalenedrael> what the
[12:50] <kalenedrael> did you use 'visudo' to edit it?
[12:51] <MacManX> sudo anything pretty much causes the Konsole to hang now.
[12:51] <MacManX> Yep, I used visudo, now I can't do anything.
[12:51] <kalenedrael> sudo su -
[12:51] <kalenedrael> try that
[12:51] <apokryphos> Weird. I have no idea how that would stop usage of sudo
[12:52] <MacManX> Tried sudo su- ... still hanging
[12:52] <MacManX> no feedback whatsoever
[12:52] <kalenedrael> hmm....
[12:52] <kalenedrael> do you have a root pw at all?
[12:52] <kalenedrael> i really, really recommend setting a root pw
[12:52] <kalenedrael> even if you never use it
[12:52] <kalenedrael> that way, if sudo gets fucked you can just use root
[12:52] <apokryphos> comes in handy for things like this.. 
[12:52] <kalenedrael> but you can't do that now
[12:53] <kalenedrael> try the livecd and hack it that way
[12:53] <MacManX> Hm, I thought that a root password was set on install.
[12:53] <apokryphos> thing is, safe console mode now tries to use your root account (and Ubuntu doesn't have one)... they really should change that
[12:53] <kalenedrael> it's not
[12:53] <kalenedrael> ok, MacManX, try this
[12:53] <MacManX> Good lord, Ubuntu doesn't come with a root account?
[12:53] <kalenedrael> (do you have another computer with which you can connect to IRC?)
[12:53] <MacManX> I guess that's why I use Mac OS X
[12:53] <apokryphos> MacManX: correct; it uses sudo.
[12:54] <kalenedrael> Ubuntu was designed to not use root
[12:54] <MacManX> Well, I'm IRCing on my Mac, but I do have to get going soon.
[12:54] <kalenedrael> ok, well try this
[12:54] <apokryphos> Except there's still traces of rootness around from Debian =)
[12:54] <kalenedrael> reboot the box
[12:54] <kalenedrael> and at the grub prompt, select "e" to edit the boot commands
[12:54] <thoreauputic> MacManX: the sudo model is exactly the same as the Mac uses (in fact mac uses sudo)
[12:54] <kalenedrael> go to the line that says "kernel blah blah" (the really long one) and edit that line
[12:55] <kalenedrael> and add init=/bin/bash to the end of that line
[12:55] <kalenedrael> then boot that command set
[12:55] <kalenedrael> that should bring you straight to a root shell without a pw
[12:55] <MacManX> Thoreuputic, yes, but on my Mac I always have a root account lying around to fix things like this.
[12:55] <apokryphos> You can apply same principle here
[12:55] <testmad> y is this so difficult
[12:56] <testmad> all i want is to disable autoplay
[12:56] <kalenedrael> testmad, what autoplay?
[12:56] <MacManX> Kalenedrael, I hope you don't mind, I'm copy/pasting all of this so I can use it later.  What should I do after that?
[12:56] <testmad> can i just remove it from kubunut?
[12:56] <testmad> er..autoplay..autorun
[12:56] <kalenedrael> MacManX, try "passwd"
[12:56] <kalenedrael> type "passwd" at that shell
[12:56] <kalenedrael> and type in a new root pw when it asks
[12:57] <kalenedrael> then reboot as usual, su - (using the pw you just set), then de-mess-up the /etc/sudoers file
[12:57] <thoreauputic> !rootsudo
[12:57] <ubotu> it has been said that rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:58] <kalenedrael> yeah, if you ever need to root your own box for recovery purposes or such, init=/bin/bash will do that
[12:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> the mac osx gui is not great.  it's terrible
[12:59] <testmad> kalenedrael: can you tell me y my doom3dvd just reads and reads and reads..and does nothing?
[12:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's so slow, even on fast hard ware..probably because all of that atrocious "eye candy"
[12:59] <kalenedrael> testmad, hmm
[12:59] <kalenedrael> sounds like a problem with the DVD drive?
[01:00] <kalenedrael> try rebooting
[01:00] <testmad> nope..werks perfect in xp
[01:00] <kalenedrael> did it ever work in linux?
[01:00] <testmad> it reads cds great
[01:00] <testmad> i can pop it in and itll read
[01:00] <thoreauputic> BROKEN_LADDER: indeed, one reason why I use Ubuntu on my iBook almost all the time - funnily enough mac-on-linux feels *faster* than native mac to me as well
[01:00] <testmad> but this is a data dvd
[01:00] <MacManX> Thanks, for all of your help guys!  I'll try your suggestions later.  Broken_Ladder, actually, I've never had a slow Mac GUI, under OS 9 and under OS X.  So, it must be something wrong with you.
[01:00] <kalenedrael> yeah, my guess is that some kernel module related to DVDs is messed up
[01:01] <testmad> so what would you suggest?
[01:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[01:01] <kalenedrael> rebooting
[01:01] <thoreauputic> MacManX: no, I think on the same hardware Linux is quicker
[01:01] <kalenedrael> but
[01:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> i've gone to comp usa and played with osx on their fastest machines.  it's slo
[01:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> slow
[01:01] <kalenedrael> if the kernel module is slightly corrupted on disk, i dunno
[01:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> it feels "heavy"
[01:01] <kalenedrael> you'd have to reinstall the entire kernel package (which isn't too hard, i guess)
[01:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> maybe there's a way to do wireframe move/resize in osx..that would help a bunch.
[01:01] <kalenedrael> no, osx is designed to do that
[01:01] <testmad> it shouldnt be
[01:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[01:02] <kalenedrael> osx is supposed to be smooth
[01:02] <testmad> i havent been messing with it
[01:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> it makes it slow
[01:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's not
[01:02] <kalenedrael> smooth and slow-ish
[01:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> when you drag windows, they hang
[01:02] <kalenedrael> if it feels jumpy, that's bad
[01:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's what i hate about it
[01:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> jesus h christ
[01:02] <testmad> rebooting
[01:02] <kalenedrael> then it's something fucked up about their install, because i've used osx before and it is definitely not slwo
[01:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> hence the sliding panel mentality
[01:02] <kalenedrael> slow
[01:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> every time i've ever used osx, it has been like that.
[01:02] <kalenedrael> hm
[01:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> i used to have a _job_ working on osx systems
[01:03] <kalenedrael> o.o
[01:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> it probably doesn't seem slow to you if you're used to it.
[01:03] <thoreauputic> kalenedrael: it isn't slow, but PPC ubuntu is definitely quicker
[01:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> also, mac keyboards are atrocious
[01:03] <kalenedrael> yes, mac keyboards suck
[01:03] <kalenedrael> i despise the shift key
[01:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> well..all keyboards are atrocious, since they aren't symmetrical.
[01:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> they also arnet' ergonomic
[01:03] <kalenedrael> i find most keyboards fine
[01:04] <kalenedrael> not mac keyboards though
[01:04] <kalenedrael> shift key
[01:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> also that one-button mouse shit is reprehensible
[01:04] <kalenedrael> yeah...
[01:04] <kalenedrael> never got used to that one-button mouse
[01:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> and i'd love to get rid of the dock, but i don't think it's possible
[01:04] <thoreauputic> BROKEN_LADDER: ah well - a USB mouse fixes that fairly easily :)
[01:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah..true
[01:05] <kalenedrael> yeah, but then it's not mac
[01:05] <kalenedrael> because apple only makes the one button shits
[01:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> hey, what's a good cd burning app in kde?
[01:05] <kalenedrael> k3b
[01:05] <thoreauputic> kalenedrael: hmm..... it's still a Mac: just with a decent mouse added :)
[01:05] <kalenedrael> i used to work at compusa and i was trying to convince someone that USB keyboards work universally
[01:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> how about an app for watching dvds?
[01:06] <kalenedrael> thoreauputic, but that sort of damages the 'all everything mac' status
[01:06] <kalenedrael> BROKEN_LADDER, i suggest ogle, even though it's not a KDE app
[01:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay
[01:06] <kalenedrael> ogle is by far the best DVD player i have come across
[01:06] <kalenedrael> it supports menus
[01:06] <thoreauputic> kalenedrael: well, since I'm not a Mac bigot I don't really care ;-)
[01:06] <kalenedrael> heh, i don't either
[01:07] <kalenedrael> i'm just beating on macs
[01:07] <testmad> well..
[01:07] <testmad> not fixed
[01:07] <testmad> the dvd has an autorun.inf file on it
[01:08] <testmad> and if its trying to run that..which i think it is..then its trying to run win32 apps
[01:08] <testmad> so how do i turn it off?
[01:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> kde has this annoying trend of always asking me before i close an app, even if there's nothing unsaved.
[01:08] <kalenedrael> kde shouldn't do that
[01:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> os x is far and away better than windows.
[01:09] <kalenedrael> hell yes
[01:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> i didn't think any previous mac os was overall.
[01:09] <Jeezis> i've never been a fan of mac
[01:09] <kalenedrael> windows, ironically, has the worst window management system of any modern GUI OS
[01:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> i thought beos was the shiznit.
[01:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> used it for years.
[01:09] <kalenedrael> never used beos
[01:09] <kalenedrael> i wish i could try it
[01:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think osx has worse window management than windows 
[01:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> it has that annoying dock
[01:09] <kalenedrael> i heard (from you and from some book) that it pwns
[01:09] <kalenedrael> hmm, dock
[01:10] <kalenedrael> the dock is too big, that's all
[01:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> the dock exists period
[01:10] <kalenedrael> you can resize it, but i like taskbars that show the name
[01:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> i want it gone completely
[01:10] <kalenedrael> ok, let me get a screenshot of my desktop
[01:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have on of mine somewhere
[01:11] <kalenedrael> http://www.kc0udt.com/kal/images/Temp/woot-background.png
[01:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> can k3b let you just drop in a vorbis/flac file and burn it as a wave?
[01:11] <kalenedrael> if you burn a music cd, i think so
[01:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> eww..you have desktop icons
[01:12] <kalenedrael> :P
[01:12] <kalenedrael> i like them
[01:12] <kalenedrael> i have about 15 background images that change
[01:12] <kalenedrael> every 5 minutes
[01:13] <testmad> MY LEFT TESTICLE FOR HELP WITH AUTORUN
[01:13] <kalenedrael> haha testmad
[01:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[01:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> i got autorun working once
[01:13] <kalenedrael> i honestly don't know how to disable it
[01:13] <kalenedrael> he wants to disable it
[01:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh..disable it..hhmmm
[01:14] <_root> hey guys
[01:14] <testmad> i want it gone.
[01:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> well, there's your auto.misc and auto.master..
[01:14] <testmad> this is maddening
[01:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> delete them
[01:14] <testmad> where are they?
[01:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> dude google this shit
[01:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> locate auto.master
[01:15] <testmad> i googled kubuntu autorun disable, ubuntu autorun disable, i went to the forums and searched
[01:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> zeta needs to become multi-user and come down in price, then i'm switching.
[01:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> google: autorun
[01:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> google: auto.master
[01:16] <kalenedrael> zeta?
[01:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> beos
[01:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> yellowtab.com
[01:16] <kalenedrael> ah
[01:16] <testmad> thats automount..not autorun
[01:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh..fuck me
[01:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> sorry..i'm spacing off
[01:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> any of you guys have a sip phone?
[01:17] <kalenedrael> 99 euro >.<
[01:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's 99 
[01:18] <kalenedrael> umm
[01:18] <kalenedrael> that showed up as "a with caret" "box with 0082 inside it" "weird character"
[01:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> it is a euro symbol
[01:18] <kalenedrael> not here
[01:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> you need to fix your encoding or something.
[01:18] <kalenedrael> possibly
[01:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> you should be in utf-8
[01:19] <kalenedrael> i'm using xchat
[01:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> me too
[01:19] <kalenedrael> hmm
[01:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> go to a terminal window and type "locale charmap"
[01:19] <kalenedrael> zeta is 99 euro
[01:19] <Aapzak> hey room, need help on KDE here ... can you help me? I want to know why Ubuntu KDE looks different from normal KDE and if it's possible to make it behave just like normal KDE?
[01:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> kalenedrael oh yeah...too expensive
[01:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> looks different?
[01:19] <kalenedrael> ISO-8859-1
[01:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> kalenedrael holy shit..your distro must be old
[01:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> kalenedrael you should research how to get your system to utf-8
[01:20] <kalenedrael> ...
[01:20] <kalenedrael> umm...
[01:20] <kalenedrael> i use kubuntu
[01:20] <kalenedrael> latest
[01:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> strange
[01:20] <bbailey> ..
[01:20] <bbailey> latest kubuntu gave me UTF-8 by default
[01:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> some idiot must of set that
[01:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> good
[01:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> bbailey you see my euro sign?
[01:21] <BROKEN_LADDER>        <-- or my cent sign, or my esperanto letters
[01:21] <bbailey> yep
[01:21] <testmad> well..its been great hanging out with all of you..
[01:21] <thoreauputic> Aapzak: erm... different in what way?
[01:21] <testmad> but this is too much of a hassle
[01:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> so none of you have a sip phone huh?
[01:21] <testmad> too many problems in too short of a time
[01:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> my sip phone sits on my desk like a normal phone, but plugs into my internet connection.
[01:21] <testmad> im going back to xp
[01:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm going to call australia now for the hell of it.
[01:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> testmad good luck dude.
[01:21] <Aapzak> thoreauputic: I could not find the control panel, could not find kdevelop etc.
[01:21] <testmad> maybe in october ill try again
[01:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> L.A. voted for a municipal fiber network..holy crap
[01:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> they need to get that up here in sf
[01:22] <testmad> cus this just isnt werkin
[01:22] <bbailey> The only autrun thing I could find was the thing in gnome-volume-manager that isn't supposed to be working anyway
[01:22] <bbailey> autorun, rather
[01:22] <testmad> i know
[01:22] <Aapzak> thoreauputic: I want a distro that uses standards, not a distro which makes me search for everything somewhere else
[01:22] <testmad> saw that
[01:23] <thoreauputic> Aapzak: you can easily install kdevelop. type kcontrol in a terminal if you want to find it I think it's in the menu  anyway
[01:23] <testmad> but for some reason this doom3dvd is just causing problems
[01:23] <thoreauputic> Aapzak: well, if you don't like kubuntu use something you like !
[01:23] <kalenedrael> testmad, got another data DVD you can stick in?
[01:23] <testmad> umm..
[01:24] <kalenedrael> Aapzak, what do you need to search for?
[01:24] <testmad> nope
[01:24] <Aapzak> thoreauputic: maybe I did not take enough time ... I'll try. BTW, is there a difference between upgrading Ubuntu Warty to Kubuntu and installing the new image?
[01:24] <kalenedrael> umm, weird
[01:24] <kalenedrael> i highly suspect that it is some problem with the DVD drive in linux, not the autorun
[01:24] <testmad> i do..
[01:24] <testmad> let me try
[01:24] <kalenedrael> (given what you've told me so far)
[01:25] <testmad> heh
[01:25] <testmad> thois one came up just fine
[01:25] <thoreauputic> Aapzak: as far as i know, you would update to hoary, then install kubuntu-desktop
[01:25] <testmad> its an archive i made about a week ago on dvd
[01:25] <testmad> so its the autorun thats doing it
[01:25] <Aapzak> I'm using Archlinux @ the moment, but I'm having a very hard time getting my acx111 wifi working (I'm still not succesfull), thatone works straight out of the box in Ubuntu
[01:26] <Aapzak> and since I'm an os hopper, I have no trouble installing Kubuntu, if it makes me feel allright
[01:26] <testmad> i gotta go eat..the wife is mad that im wanting to eat in front of the pc
[01:26] <Aapzak> :)
[01:26] <kalenedrael> Aapzak, i used to have an acx111...
[01:26] <testmad> so if you guys can find somehting about it..just pm it to me
[01:26] <kalenedrael> what specifically doesn't work?
[01:27] <Aapzak> it works in *ubuntu, not in Archlinux
[01:27] <kalenedrael> hmm
[01:27] <kalenedrael> well, what about it doesn't work?
[01:27] <Aapzak> in arch the light never light up, it does not scan my area\
[01:27] <kalenedrael> dmesg
[01:27] <Aapzak> I have the feeling its not working at all
[01:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm going to call a pizza place in sydney australia on my sip phone...lol
[01:27] <kalenedrael> the card?
[01:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> just gonna fuck with 'em
[01:28] <Aapzak> yes
[01:28] <Aapzak> the card works fine in windows and ubuntu, so I know the firmware is allright
[01:29] <Aapzak> I wonder which version of the driver was used by Ubunty
[01:29] <kalenedrael> get the latest version
[01:29] <kalenedrael> and see
[01:29] <kalenedrael> acx100.sf.net
[01:30] <Aapzak> thats +fixes_57, thats a no show for me
[01:30] <kalenedrael> wha?
[01:30] <Aapzak> latest one is the driver + fixes 57. I tried thatone
[01:30] <Aapzak> it does not work
[01:31] <kalenedrael> how does it not work?
[01:31] <Aapzak> I'm prolly doing something wrong, and now I broke my kernel config as well, I'lll download Kubuntu and forget about Archlinux
[01:31] <kalenedrael> oh
[01:32] <kalenedrael> well, reinstall if you want, but i saw an excellent website detailing how to install the acx111 drivers
[01:32] <kalenedrael> i'll try to find it
[01:32] <Aapzak> I compiled the driver, installed it, installed firmware, modprobed acx_pci. The firmware is in place
[01:32] <Aapzak> my compiled driver will not load FwRadio16.bin, which Ubuntu does load.
[01:33] <kalenedrael> hmm
[01:33] <kalenedrael> umm, get different firmwares
[01:33] <Aapzak> if I make a ln -sf FwRadio16.bin TIACX111.BIN the firmware will be loaded, but the lights still don't switchon.
[01:34] <Aapzak> the FwRadio16 works perfectly fine with Ubuntu Warty
[01:34] <Aapzak> so why is my new driver ignoring it or screwing it up
[01:34] <kalenedrael> one sec, Aapzak, let me find this webpage
[01:35] <kalenedrael> follow the instructions exactly...
[01:35] <Aapzak> I'll hang around a bit :)
[01:35] <testmad> back..anyone have any ideas?
[01:35] <kalenedrael> http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php
[01:35] <Aapzak> thatone works for you? seems down here
[01:36] <kalenedrael> hmm
[01:36] <kalenedrael> seems 'down'?
[01:36] <kalenedrael> browser not loadin it?
[01:36] <kalenedrael> loading
[01:36] <Aapzak> no
[01:37] <kalenedrael> hmm
[01:37] <kalenedrael> what does it get stuck on?
[01:37] <kalenedrael> looking up, connecting to, transferring data from...
[01:37] <Aapzak> I don't think there is a webserver on port 80 @ houseofcraig
[01:38] <Aapzak> really?
[01:38] <Aapzak> darn
[01:38] <testmad> where is fstab?
[01:38] <kalenedrael> /etc
[01:38] <Aapzak> in /etc
[01:39] <kalenedrael> Aapzak, where does it get stuck on? does it stick on looking up, connecting to, or transferring data from?
[01:39] <Aapzak> connecting
[01:39] <kalenedrael> odd
[01:39] <testmad> hhmm
[01:39] <Aapzak> yeah, had that before with one other website
[01:39] <testmad> autorun is turned off...
[01:39] <testmad> WTF?!?!
[01:40] <kalenedrael> ok, i will upload it to my website
[01:40] <Aapzak> lemme find a public proxyserver and see if I can connect then
[01:41] <kalenedrael> http://www.kc0udt.com/kal/acx100_howto.php.html
[01:41] <Aapzak> brilliant, tnx
[01:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> this is great..i'm calling australia and just bugging people.
[01:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> from san francisco.
[01:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> god i love voip
[01:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> who can tell me how to make my computer hibernate in kde, as opposed to just shutting down?
[01:46] <kalenedrael> BROKEN_LADDER, that's... ummm... a bad idea
[01:46] <kalenedrael> i tried it once
[01:46] <kalenedrael> bad
[01:46] <kalenedrael> ACPI and suspend/hibernate is somewhat experimental
[01:46] <kalenedrael> what graphics drivers are you using?
[01:47] <Aapzak> kalenedrael: that is a really nice guide ...
[01:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> it works fine in gnome
[01:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's a piece of cake
[01:47] <kalenedrael> Aapzak, yep
[01:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> in that case i'm going to just shut down.
[01:47] <kalenedrael> wait
[01:47] <kalenedrael> if it works fine in gnome, then it should work fine with kde
[01:48] <kalenedrael> Aapzak, i wouldn't have been able to get my acx card working without that
[01:48] <kalenedrael> BROKEN_LADDER, echo -n disk > /sys/power/state
[01:48] <kalenedrael> that's hibernate
[01:54] <Aapzak> kalenedrael: I'm working on it right now, but I screwed up my kernel ...
[01:54] <kalenedrael> that's... bad
[01:55] <Aapzak> yeah, can't make menuconfig it anymore
[01:55] <Aapzak> I deleted the source and unpacked again, no luck, 
[01:55] <Aapzak> without kernel no drivers I think?
[01:56] <Aapzak> further, my provider sucks, I'm using a proxy now and now I can connect to houseofcraig
[01:56] <Aapzak> needed that for the firmware
[01:57] <kalenedrael> hmm
[01:57] <kalenedrael> yeah
[01:58] <kalenedrael> umm, i wonder why you still have a messed up config even when you deleted source and unpacked again
[01:58] <kalenedrael> what's the error when you make menuconfig?
[01:58] <Dhraakellian> just wanting to say that I did indeed get stuff working
[01:59] <Dhraakellian> in the config utility, there were a couple modules that weren't selected
[01:59] <Dhraakellian> selecting them led to more step
[01:59] <Dhraakellian> s
[02:01] <Aapzak> kalenedrael: me too :)
[02:01] <Aapzak> kalenedrael: error 1 error 2
[02:02] <kalenedrael> hmm
[02:02] <kalenedrael> umm...
[02:02] <kalenedrael> paste the output of 'make menuconfig' to a pastebin
[02:02] <Aapzak> I think its kconfig
[02:02] <Aapzak> there is very little output
[02:03] <kalenedrael> if it's less than three lines, paste here
[02:03] <kalenedrael> otherwise, paste to a pastebin
[02:03] <kalenedrael> er, less than or equal to three lines :P
[02:03] <Aapzak> :)
[02:03] <Aapzak> itsmore
[02:03] <Aapzak> it's more
[02:03] <kalenedrael> ok, so paste it to a pastebin
[02:03] <sbcl3> is sudo dpkg -i ksystemlog_0.3.1-ubuntu1_i386.deb the right way to install a debian package?
[02:03] <Aapzak> thats new to me
[02:04] <sbcl3> because i got an error spit at me and it might be the wrong command
[02:04] <sbcl3> darn i typed it wrong...nevermind
[02:05] <Aapzak> kalenedrael: I'm ginving up, tnx for your help
[02:05] <Aapzak> bedtime was 2 hours ago
[02:06] <nikkia> i wish i could go to bed :(
[02:06] <Aapzak> you cab
[02:06] <nikkia> i've been working for, errr, 15 hours now, and have to go to work in a little over 7
[02:06] <Aapzak> you can
[02:06] <Aapzak> timezone?
[02:06] <nikkia> Aapzak: yeah, and i can get fired for missing my deadline too
[02:06] <Aapzak> ouch
[02:07] <Aapzak> you should not miss your deadline then
[02:07] <nikkia> well, i can't, but it wouldn't be pleasant
[02:07] <Aapzak> :)
[02:07] <Aapzak> I took 3 weeks off, I have 2 more weeks off
[02:08] <nikkia> i haven't taken a day's holiday yet so far this year
[02:08] <nikkia> been snowed under, probably going to either have a nice second-half of the year, or lose days when they don't roll over at the end of the year
[02:08] <Aapzak> sound like you're under presure
[02:09] <nikkia> 2 projects, both 3-4 month projects, both given 6 weeks
[02:09] <Aapzak> and thats your problem, or theirs?
[02:09] <Jeezis> does anyone know if the fglrx driver will work for an ati radeon 320m?
[02:09] <nikkia> i've worked til 1-3am every day since febuary
[02:10] <Aapzak> pfff, you're killing yourself
[02:10] <Aapzak> Jeezis: how old is that?
[02:10] <Jeezis> Aapzak: maybe 2-3 years
[02:10] <Aapzak> I don't think it will work
[02:10] <Jeezis> it's in an hp ze4420us laptop
[02:10] <Jeezis> arg
[02:11] <Jeezis> glxgears is only giving me like 168 fps
[02:11] <Jeezis> so i was debating trying to use the ati driver for some hardware acceleration
[02:11] <kalenedrael> augh
[02:11] <kalenedrael> nvidia is so much better supported in linux
[02:12] <Aapzak> I'm not sure about terminology, but my Mob.Radeon 7500 is not new enough for fglrx
[02:12] <Aapzak> kalenedrael is very right
[02:12] <Jeezis> kalenedrael: i know, but when i bought it i wasn't really using linux yet
[02:12] <Aapzak> I sold my 9800Pro because of that
[02:12] <testmad> anyone come up with ideas on how to fix the dvd issue im having?
[02:12] <Jeezis> and the laptop wasn't available with an nvidia card
[02:12] <nikkia> Aapzak: i think the 320m is 9500ish
[02:12] <Aapzak> sry testmad , but no
[02:13] <Aapzak> you got to know which core they used on it, I'm sure google will know
[02:13] <nikkia> nope, no support
[02:13] <Jeezis> the 320m is a 64mb onboard video card, it CAN be run using 128mb if you set it in the bios, but it doesn't make much difference at all in performance
[02:14] <nikkia> Jeezis: it really doesn't matter, its not supported, so you're stuck with the open source ati driver, which has no real 3d acceleration
[02:14] <Jeezis> bah, so it won't do anything at all?
[02:15] <nikkia> so you might as well only have 16MB or whatever you need for framebuffer :)
[02:15] <nikkia> Jeezis: 3d-wise, no, doesn't look like it
[02:15] <Jeezis> arg >_<
[02:15] <Aapzak> yes
[02:15] <Aapzak> write a letter to Ati
[02:15] <nikkia> Aapzak: nvidia aren't MUCH better
[02:15] <Jeezis> thanks for the help though, i figured i'd ask here before i went and installed it
[02:16] <nikkia> they just EOL'ed drivers for everything prior to the GF4
[02:16] <Aapzak> the drivers are
[02:16] <Aapzak> :)
[02:16] <testmad> whats sources for backports?
[02:17] <Aapzak> k, Ati R200 and up is supported by ATI DRI drivers
[02:18] <Aapzak> everything else has to use the Xorg/free drivers
[02:18] <testmad> anyone?
[02:19] <Aapzak> k, thats it for me. ciao everyone
[02:19] <Jeezis> aha, radeon 320m is based on the 7000 chipset
[02:24] <kalenedrael> testmad, it should just be called 'backports'
[02:25] <vicesquad> hi folks! how can i enable surround sound in ubuntu?
[02:27] <Reivec> what is a good app for KDE to change service startups?
[02:29] <vicesquad> @reivec: what do you mean?
[02:30] <Reivec> vicesquad, init services, postfix, apache, etc...
[02:30] <Reivec> any good KDE GUI apps that will help set that up?
[02:30] <Reivec> I suppose GUI is redundant there
[02:40] <testmad> just to let anyone insterested know..i've yet to find an answer to the problem im having with the dvd
[02:40] <testmad> i may just boot to xp..make iso..and then mount it in kubuntu
[02:41] <Jeezis> is there any way to run ark as superuser outside the console?
[02:41] <Jeezis> it crashes when i try 'sudo ark'
[02:45] <kalenedrael> umm
[02:45] <kalenedrael> yeah, gksu ark
[02:45] <kalenedrael> or kdesu ark
[02:46] <kalenedrael> kdesu (assuming you're using kubuntu_
[02:46] <kalenedrael> )
[02:49] <Reivec> testmad, what was the DVD problem?
[02:53] <Dhraakellian> hmm
[02:54] <Dhraakellian> no gtk-qt, gtk-theme-switch, or gtk-chtheme?
[02:58] <thoreauputic> Dhraakellian: gtk-theme-switch is probably in the universe repo
[02:58] <thoreauputic> !repos
[02:58] <ubotu> repos is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:59] <thoreauputic> !info gtk-theme-switch
[02:59] <ubotu> gtk-theme-switch: (GTK+ theme switching utility), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 2.0.3 (hoary), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 144 kB
[03:00] <thoreauputic> Dhraakellian: a quick way to search for what you want is : apt-cache search <keywords>
[03:00] <Dhraakellian> thoreauputic, thanks
[03:00] <Dhraakellian> that's the sort of thing I wouldn't know yet
[03:00] <thoreauputic> no worries :) 
[03:01] <Dhraakellian> emerge -s and esearch were my friends
[03:01] <thoreauputic> Dhraakellian: there's an excellent apt-howto linked from the docs section of debian.org
[03:01] <lokito> any good p2p app
[03:02] <thoreauputic> or you can do  sudo apt-get install apt-howto  then run dpkg -L apt-howto to see where the files are installed
[03:02] <PenguinBoy> good evening geeks, nerds, and Linux gods
[03:02] <Dhraakellian> dpkg -L means what?
[03:04] <PenguinBoy> try dpkg --help
[03:04] <testmad> ok..got doom3 installed and running..yea..
[03:04] <testmad> but no sound
[03:10] <testmad> what is chroot?
[03:11] <Reivec> testmad, it changes your root directory to something else. It is useful when using a boot CD to access an install
[03:11] <thoreauputic> Dhraakellian: dpkg -L <packagename> gives a list of the files a package has installed
[03:11] <Dhraakellian> ah
[03:12] <testmad> where is the alsa config stuff?
[03:13] <thoreauputic> Dhraakellian: BTW if you are adressing a particular nick it's a good idea to use the nick - some of us rely on a beep or a highlight to catch out attention
[03:13] <jeanluc> can some one help me
[03:13] <jeanluc> I am playing opengl games in linux and do I need drivers for my vid card becuase opengl is realyl laggy
[03:14] <Dhraakellian> thoreauputic, I usually do unless I just said something to them in the previous line
[03:15] <thoreauputic> Dhraakellian: right - I just totally missed your question re: dpkg -L because I was in a separate tab for #ubuntu :)
[03:15] <Dhraakellian> aah
[03:15] <Dhraakellian> heh
[03:15] <Dhraakellian> I do occasionally slip up
[03:15] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:15] <jeanluc> In kubunut how come opengl games are really laggy?
[03:16] <Reivec> jeanluc, of course you need drivers :-P And I doubt it is just going to work automagically, what card you running?
[03:16] <jeanluc> radeon 9800 pro
[03:17] <jeanluc> can I get the drivers in kynaptic?
[03:17] <testmad> and whare can i change alsa settings?
[03:17] <Reivec> eh, not messed with that card much. Have friends that have had headaches with ATI cards though
[03:17] <testmad> like what device to use?
[03:17] <Reivec> jeanluc, unfortunatly I am not the one to ask on that issue
[03:17] <jeanluc> :(
[03:18] <Reivec> jeanluc, I think ATI has some howtos on their site however, if you can find em
[03:18] <jeanluc> ya
[03:18] <jeanluc> yea linux drivers
[03:19] <testmad> what would killall esd do?
[03:20] <Reivec> testmad, what program are you trying to make work with alsa?
[03:20] <jeanluc> ok how do I install a rpm?
[03:20] <jeanluc> just open it?
[03:20] <testmad> doom3
[03:20] <Reivec> rpm? in kubutu?
[03:21] <jeanluc> ya
[03:21] <Reivec> jeanluc, you realize rpm stands for redhat package management (or something like that) right? ;)
[03:21] <jeanluc> would .deb work?
[03:21] <Reivec> kubuntu is debian based, I would stick to debs
[03:22] <Reivec> yeah, a deb is what you need
[03:31] <trinidad> HELP! How do I remove the stipple from every other line when in detailed view in konqueror?
[03:32] <trinidad> Help!
[03:36] <Reivec> trinidad, stop using detail?
[03:36] <Reivec> trinidad, I don't know a good answer for you, I find it annoying and unprofessional looking myself
[03:36] <trinidad> ?
[03:37] <trinidad> rem_, what ?
[03:37] <trinidad> Re,
[03:40] <testmad> how do i delete stuff from kdee when i need root?
[03:41] <thoreauputic> testmad: with great care, fear and trepidation
[03:41] <testmad> serios
[03:42] <testmad> seriously
[03:42] <thoreauputic> testmad: use sudo <command>
[03:42] <testmad> ok..i want to do it from kde
[03:42] <testmad> not terminal
[03:42] <thoreauputic> testmad: what did you want to remove ?
[03:42] <Dhraakellian> what's the difference between "mark for removal" and "mark for complete removal"?
[03:43] <testmad> i wanted to del all the doom stuff i just copied
[03:43] <thoreauputic> Dhraakellian: "mark for complete removal" removes config files
[03:43] <Dhraakellian> thoreauputic, from ~?
[03:43] <testmad> well??
[03:44] <testmad> is it possible?
[03:44] <thoreauputic> Dhraakellian: the set of files that were installed by that package- ie , it removes the package and its config files
[03:44] <testmad> im gonna give the winexcvs a try
[03:44] <Dhraakellian> thoreauputic, which is generally preferable?
[03:44] <thoreauputic> testmad: of course it's possible - but why are you phobic about typing commands?
[03:44] <testmad> im not..
[03:45] <testmad> i just want to make sure that i do it the first time..and not have to type crap in all the time cus i have a bad typo probolem
[03:45] <thoreauputic> Dhraakellian: it depends whether you think you will want to reinstall the package at some time, and need your original config
[03:46] <thoreauputic> testmad: where are the files?
[03:46] <testmad> in /usr/local/games/doom3
[03:47] <thoreauputic> testmad: then type ' sudo rm -r /usr/local/games/doom3 '
[03:47] <testmad> whats that do?
[03:47] <thoreauputic> testmad: removes the files in that directory, and the directory
[03:47] <testmad> ok
[03:49] <testmad> i just dont know y ppl dont make that available in the gui
[03:50] <testmad> like delete as root
[03:50] <testmad> under actions
[03:50] <thoreauputic> testmad: you *can* do it in the gui, but the risk of a mis-click is always there
[03:50] <testmad> heh.
[03:50] <testmad> yea..i guess
[03:51] <thoreauputic> testmad: linux kind of doesn't give friendly warnings when you are running as root
[03:51] <thoreauputic> it expects root to know wtf he's doing
[03:52] <testmad> now wheres  that site i saw on compiling winexcvs in ubuntu
[03:56] <Dhraakellian> vim-gnome is gvim, right?
[03:58] <thoreauputic> Dhraakellian: gtk vim, yes
[03:58] <Dhraakellian> with lots of gnome dependencies
[03:59] <thoreauputic> gui vim using gtk
[03:59] <thoreauputic> gtk dependencies (there's a difference)
[04:00] <thoreauputic> just as installing a qt app requires qt libraries
[04:00] <Dhraakellian> This package contains a version of vim compiled with support for GNOME2 gui.
[04:00] <Dhraakellian> oh, hey... vim-gtk
[04:23] <eskilo> i can't get sound in kde for the life of me.
[04:23] <eskilo> in gnome it works fine
[04:28] <eskilo> well fuck me, now it's working again.
[04:29] <eskilo> well, now i have to see about getting my brand new router working
[04:31] <identp> has anyone ever had trouble with kopete?
[04:36] <apokryphos> identp: are you getting the password error?
[04:39] <testmad> hehehe..
[04:39] <testmad> cedega's werkin
[04:39] <testmad> WOOOHOO
[04:39] <identp> no
[04:39] <identp> its an instant messaging problem
[04:39] <identp> I can send and others can see, but i cant receive messages
[04:43] <apokryphos> identp: do you have the latest KDE? 3.4.1
[04:50] <apokryphos> If not, you should update; see /topic for latest KDE
[04:54] <Dhraakellian> oh, hey
[05:00] <identp> i looked at the kde changelog and found no updates to fix my specific problem
[05:00] <identp> im wondering if it isnt just a simple setting being overlooked
[05:11] <identp> what version of kde comes with kubuntu?
[05:12] <Dhraakellian> 3.4.0 is the version on the kubuntu 5.04 CD
[05:13] <redguy> I have a setting problem. At kde-look.org, when I want to download something with Konqueror and just click the link the file is opened in Kate with proper name. When I choose 'Save link as' form the context menu the file is downloaded, but saved as 'download.php'. Where can I change this behaviour?
[05:18] <redguy> eh, thought that was a lame question :/
[05:23] <teprrr> hmm, where can I find libc6 package on archive.ubuntu.com?
[05:29] <Jeezis> teprrr: you can't use apt-get or synaptic?
[05:29] <teprrr> Jeezis, no I can't.
[05:31] <identp> does anyone use kopete or gaim?
[05:32] <spermie_411> is there any vet or doctor IRCS to get medical advice>
[05:32] <spermie_411> ?
[06:00] <Dhraakellian> hmm
[06:01] <Dhraakellian> now is there a gkrellm-themes package anywhere?
[06:10] <identp> has anyone installed KDE 3.4.1 ?
[06:12] <pavan> Hi Guys , New Entrant to Kubuntu.Any Advise on websites I can get the good Ino on Kubuntu?
[06:12] <identp> www.kubuntu.org
[06:12] <identp> www.google.com
[06:14] <pavan> I googled it..found tons of sites..Anyway , will start with kubuntu.org..thank you "identp"
[06:16] <Dhraakellian> identp, yes, but not on kubuntu
[06:17] <identp> the ubuntu forums have a lot of good info too
[06:19] <identp> but what do i know... i just installed last night :)
[06:19] <Dhraakellian> heh
[06:20] <pavan> hehehe :-)..Right now typing  FC4 and downloading Kubuntu in parallel
[06:20] <identp> and after about 8 stressfull hours, finally got my wireless card online
[06:21] <Dhraakellian> heh
[06:21] <pavan> wow....ur's is online...Am dying to see whether mine will work or not...its Intel 2100 giving sleepless nights for me..
[06:21] <Dhraakellian> networking was super-easy
[06:21] <Dhraakellian> it was getting X to a decent resolution that got me
[06:21] <Dhraakellian> of course, the fix was easy
[06:21] <Dhraakellian> but it took a while to realize it
[06:22] <identp> what did you do?
[06:23] <crimsun> changed the refresh rate and sync rate?
[06:25] <Dhraakellian> selected a couple modules in config utility that weren't selected by default for some reason
[06:26] <identp> kubuntu picked up my vid card and set a decent resolution of 1200x800
[06:26] <identp> i was impressed
[06:27] <Dhraakellian> heh
[06:27] <Dhraakellian> it was staying at 640x480 for me
[06:27] <Dhraakellian> 60Hz
[06:28] <identp> NICE
[06:28] <Dhraakellian> back up to 1600x1200 at 75Hz where it belongs
[06:28] <identp> what size screen?
[06:29] <Dhraakellian> 19"
[06:29] <Dhraakellian> mrr....
[06:29] <Dhraakellian> Firefox requires gnome stuff
[06:54] <seth_k> good man
[06:55] <Dhraakellian> "not authenticated," it says
[06:56] <Dhraakellian> meh...
[07:06] <Dhraakellian> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4-0x1.6e7820000005ap-1363.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1_all.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[07:06] <identp> ok, this i dont get...
[07:07] <Dhraakellian> while doing a dist-upgrade with synaptic
[07:07] <identp> I have kde 3.4.0 and im trying to install kde 3.4.1 but i keep getting this message: 
[07:08] <identp> checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
[07:08] <identp> checking whether build environment is sane... configure: error: newly created file is older than distributed files!
[07:08] <identp> Check your system clock
[07:10] <Dhraakellian> failed to apply all changes
[07:10] <Dhraakellian> it's the last package left
[07:10] <TestMAD> you guys should hit me..i had to install xp
[07:10] <Dhraakellian> ouch
[07:11] <Dhraakellian> TestMAD, almost the opposite here
[07:11] <TestMAD> ??
[07:11] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[07:11] <Dhraakellian> This morning, I shrank my XP partition from 30GB to 10GB
[07:11] <Dhraakellian> mmmm... that felt good
[07:11] <TestMAD> yea..I remember that
[07:12] <Dhraakellian> okay, I tried that last package again
[07:12] <Dhraakellian> and it worked this time
[07:14] <newbie> dhraakellian which distru you upgraded from and to which distro you did the upgrade?
[07:17] <identp> i shrank my xp partition from 60gb to 0gb
[07:17] <TestMAD> wish i could do that
[07:17] <seth_k> identp: is your clock right?
[07:17] <TestMAD> gonna try cedega and cs2 tomorrow
[07:18] <identp> no, its about 6 hours off
[07:20] <identp> actually having fun trying to set it :)
[07:21] <TestMAD> seth_k: y is that when i put in a data dvd or any cd..it'll mount and read..but when i out in my doom3dvd it wouldnt mount or read
[07:21] <seth_k> identp: don't use the automatic ntp set thing or your clock will explode
[07:21] <TestMAD> or if it did mount..it would read and read and read..
[07:21] <seth_k> TestMAD: the DVD sucks?
[07:21] <TestMAD> nope
[07:21] <TestMAD> runs fine on xp
[07:22] <TestMAD> i thought it was something with autorun
[07:22] <seth_k> okay, next guess is it's the copy protection
[07:22] <seth_k> b/c only Cedega includes all the super licensed copy protection files
[07:22] <TestMAD> this wasnt with cedega
[07:22] <seth_k> exactly, hence it not working
[07:22] <TestMAD> i was just trying to get kubuntu to mount the drive
[07:23] <identp> seth_k, i set my clock manually... its about 2 minutes off...  12:24 am cst
[07:23] <TestMAD> but when i made a iso of it..it mounted fine
[07:23] <identp> shold the kde upgrade work now?
[07:23] <identp> should*
[07:23] <seth_k> indeed identp 
[07:23] <_ethan> can someone help me, i am a linux newbie using Kubuntu and i am trying to donwload a torrent
[07:24] <TestMAD> oh..and is it possible  to get the kubuntu installer to install the k7 kernel instead of the i386?
[07:24] <identp> seth_k, same error :(
[07:24] <seth_k> TestMAD: no. but just download the one you need
[07:24] <seth_k> _ethan: what's up?
[07:24] <seth_k> identp: :/ you are using the KDE 3.4.1 sources in /topic?
[07:25] <TestMAD> i did d/l the one i needed and when i booted uo..it dropped me into console
[07:25] <TestMAD> run level2
[07:25] <identp> yes
[07:25] <identp> actually no
[07:25] <seth_k> then you haven't grabbed the restricted modules and things for k7, testmad
[07:25] <TestMAD> ok
[07:26] <seth_k> _ethan: if you've installed the bittorrent application, just use it to open a .torrent and away you go
[07:26] <TestMAD> ill have to try that tomorrow.
[07:26] <identp> seth_k, actually downloaded konstruct
[07:26] <seth_k> identp: !!!
[07:27] <seth_k> naught
[07:27] <seth_k> y
[07:27] <seth_k> naughty
[07:27] <seth_k> :P
[07:27] <identp> haha
[07:27] <identp> why
[07:27] <seth_k> use the debs! they are built specifically for Kubuntu
[07:27] <seth_k> using anything else undermines the integrity of your system
[07:27] <seth_k> both from a tracking and stability standpoint
[07:27] <identp> uh oh
[07:27] <TestMAD> im trying alot of stuff tomorrow..going to attempt to build the nvidia drivers again..get cedega running..build klibido..update to kde341
[07:27] <identp> time to reinstall kubuntu
[07:27] <identp> shit
[07:28] <seth_k> identp: well you haven't actually installed them yet
[07:28] <TestMAD> heh..that sux
[07:28] <seth_k> from Konstruct
[07:28] <seth_k> so you're still ok
[07:28] <TestMAD> i did 3 reinstalls today
[07:28] <identp> i dunno, it sure looked like it did a lot when i typed 'make install'
[07:28] <TestMAD> and an xp reinstall
[07:28] <B-L> my dvd player is hanging and won't eject..any options?
[07:29] <identp> unmount
[07:29] <identp> then eject
[07:29] <identp> or some pliers
[07:29] <TestMAD> hehe
[07:30] <TestMAD> no..paperclip
[07:30] <_ethan> how do i open a .torret? i am a linux newbie using kubuntu
[07:31] <_ethan> any1?
[07:31] <seth_k> install "qtorrent" from kynaptic
[07:31] <_ethan> ok
[07:34] <TestMAD> question..i just lost partitions on a drive..
[07:34] <_ethan> where is qtorrent at in kynaptic
[07:34] <TestMAD> how can i get them back?
[07:34] <_ethan> or how do i use it in the terminal
[07:34] <TestMAD> or am i just screwed?
[07:36] <seth_k> _ethan: search for it
[07:36] <seth_k> CTRL + F in kynaptic
[07:36] <seth_k> TestMAD: ask #ubuntu
[07:36] <TestMAD> in xp
[07:36] <_ethan> did not find it seth
[07:37] <TestMAD> owell..time for a clean start anyways
[07:37] <_ethan> i installed bittornado and bittorrent
[07:38] <seth_k> okay, that'll work
[07:38] <seth_k> now just click a torrent file
[07:38] <seth_k> all done
[07:38] <_ethan> it says open with
[07:38] <identp> my dog just knocked over my wine glass, and nearly screwed my laptop
[07:38] <seth_k> moral: don't drink wine
[07:38] <seth_k> :P
[07:38] <identp> fortunately i deflected it to the new hardwood floors
[07:39] <_ethan> lol
[07:39] <identp> moral: dont get your girlfriend a crazy miniature pinscher for her birthday
[07:39] <_ethan> seth it goes to an open with screen
[07:42] <_ethan> ne1?
[07:42] <_ethan> i have bittorent installed when i click a .torrent it goes to open with
[07:42] <seth_k> so open with bittornado
[07:43] <_ethan> it is not there to open with
[07:43] <seth_k> type it
[07:43] <_ethan> could not find the program bittornado
[07:44] <_ethan> reinstall bittorrent?
[07:45] <thoreauputic> _ethan: bt <tab> <tab>
[07:45] <_ethan> thore where do i do that at?
[07:45] <thoreauputic> in a terminal
[07:45] <_ethan> ok
[07:46] <_ethan> now what?
[07:46] <thoreauputic> _ethan: did you get a list of commands?
[07:46] <_ethan> yes
[07:47] <_ethan> thore i did
[07:49] <identp> if i issue this as root 'deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main' will this begin the downloading and install process of kde 3.4.1?
[07:50] <identp> as opposed to konstruct :)
[07:52] <_ethan> can someone help me install bittorent?
[07:52] <_ethan> i am a linux noob
[07:53] <_ethan> kubuntu is my first linux os got it yesterday
[07:53] <supernix> Hiya I am back
[07:53] <supernix> it been several days but I finally made it home agian
[07:54] <seth_k> no no identp 
[07:54] <seth_k> click the link
[07:54] <seth_k> and add the sources found there
[07:54] <seth_k> then sudo apt-get update
[07:54] <seth_k> and sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:55] <identp> so add those 4 sources to /etc/apt/sources.list?
[07:56] <_ethan> sudo apt-get install bittorrent
[07:57] <_ethan> Reading package lists... Done
[07:57] <_ethan> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:57] <_ethan> bittorrent is already the newest version.
[07:57] <_ethan> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:57] <_ethan> is that all i have to do to and bittorrent should work?
[07:59] <_ethan> sudo apt-get install bittorrent ... is that all i have to do to be able to open a .torrent file?
[07:59] <_ethan> some1 please i am so lost
[08:02] <identp> seth_k, thanks, we will see if this solves the real problem now :)
[08:02] <_ethan> do i have to install gnome-btdownload?
[08:03] <identp> ethat, sorry wish i could help, but im a newb just as yourself
[08:03] <identp> pm me
[08:03] <_ethan> ok
[08:03] <seth_k> identp: not all 4
[08:03] <seth_k> identp: just one is enough
[08:03] <identp> oh, i did all 4
[08:03] <identp> heh, im an idiot
[08:04] <seth_k> no worries
[08:04] <seth_k> then in a terminal, sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade
[08:04] <seth_k> and boom
[08:04] <seth_k> upgraded
[08:05] <identp> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade <-- do this after sudo apt-get update
[08:05] <_ethan> i am installing gnome-btdownload is it necessary?
[08:05] <identp> and sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:05] <B-L> it's not mounted
[08:05] <B-L> still won't eject
[08:06] <identp> heh
[08:06] <identp> pliars
[08:06] <B-L> reboot
[08:06] <identp> did reboot work?
[08:06] <_ethan> i am so happy i figured it out by myself :D
[08:07] <B-L> it will work
[08:07] <_ethan> the gnome-btdownload was neccessary
[08:07] <_ethan> yay!!11!!!!1!!oneone!
[08:07] <B-L> so pathetic that linux can have processes that you can't kill
[08:07] <B-L> if i choose to kill a process, it should fucking die
[08:08] <_ethan> i am donwloading a file and it is dling at 0.00kb/s
[08:08] <_ethan> what gives?
[08:10] <identp> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:10] <identp>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1_all.deb
[08:10] <identp> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:10] <identp> seth_k, any idea on what went wrong?
[08:12] <seth_k> B-L: sudo killall -9 theprocess will kill ANYTHING
[08:12] <seth_k> B-L: also watch your language please.
[08:12] <seth_k> identp: is there an error listed with it?
[08:13] <seth_k> identp: oh, I know
[08:13] <B-L> seth_k  no it will not kill anything.
[08:13] <B-L> learn your kernel
[08:13] <B-L> it is in a D status.
[08:13] <seth_k> identp: sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data[PRESS TAB HERE] 
[08:13] <B-L> that means you can't kill it, even with kill -9.
[08:14] <B-L> 1000      8991  0.9  1.8  32900 19212 ?        D    21:41   0:50 thoggen <--
[08:14] <B-L> see that big fat D?
[08:14] <m0ns00n> morning
[08:14] <m0ns00n> :-)
[08:14] <B-L> who here has a sip phone?
[08:15] <identp> seth_k, ok i will try that.  it appeard that it happened while patching kwallet- mean anything?
[08:16] <identp> seth_k, why press tab?
[08:16] <seth_k> identp: tab completion. It will complete the filename for you
[08:16] <identp> ahh
[08:18] <_ethan> i am using gnome bittorrent and the d/l speed is 0.00KB/s
[08:18] <_ethan> y?
[08:18] <_ethan> it is moving now
[08:18] <identp> seth_k, looks good, now the sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data ?
[08:18] <_ethan> very slow
[08:18] <identp> wait, wrong copy&paste
[08:19] <_ethan> 41.2 mb = 1 day 15 hours 18 min and 7 sec
[08:19] <identp> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade ?
[08:20] <_ethan> ok it is going now
[08:20] <_ethan> thnx guyz bye bye
[08:21] <seth_k> identp: first sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:21] <seth_k> identp: then that
[08:21] <identp> eh...
[08:21] <identp> seth_k, already did sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade
[08:22] <seth_k> identp: but there were errors. so run a dpkg configure, then run it again to make sure you got it all upgraded :)
[08:48] <tonyo> hey guys, has anyone run the livecd on a toshiba laptop?
[08:49] <sbcl3> why? are you finding it impossible?
[08:49] <tonyo> yep
[08:49] <tonyo> i've been trying al day...
[08:49] <sbcl3> it might be
[08:50] <sbcl3> some laptops have very odd hardware
[08:50] <sbcl3> and say specificallly "will only work with windows xp..."
[08:50] <sbcl3> what kind of error message do you get?
[08:51] <Poromies> toshiba laptops should work
[08:52] <Poromies> i've seen lots of discussions and recommendations about them being good with linux
[08:52] <Poromies> what toshiba is it? model?
[08:53] <B-L> there's some toshiba model..or maybe it's another brand, i think toshiba, that sells in europe with ubuntu on it.
[08:53] <B-L> maybe it was hp..hmm..don't remember.
[08:53] <B-L> it was on /. awhile back.
[08:53] <B-L> you could ask someone in #ubuntu surely.
[09:10] <user09> #jakarta
[09:15] <barlas> what are the requirements for KDE? it is not very effecient on, 650mhz and 250MB RAM
[09:25] <dewey> barlas: I run kde on a PII 333 with 256 megs ram.
[09:26] <barlas> dewey, it runs fine on my system, but it is slow in opening apps
[09:26] <dewey> barlas: look on google there are some ways to speed kde up.
[09:28] <barlas> dewey, thanks, I will, I was just being lazy atm :-D
[09:28] <dewey> :)
[09:28] <dewey> yw
[09:46] <hussam> anybody using the win32 codecs package?
[09:49] <hussam> I'm talking about the one from mplayer.
[09:50] <Burgundavia> any kubuntu devs want to keep this page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPreviewComments
[09:52] <identp> seth_k, i am installing kubuntu on a different machine
[09:52] <identp> I plan to update KDE to 3.4.1 also
[09:52] <identp> after adding deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main' to /etcc/apt/sources.list
[09:53] <identp> what would be the correct command to update and upgrade?
[09:54] <m0ns00n> apt-get update
[09:54] <m0ns00n> apt-get upgrade
[09:54] <identp> but i receive an error
[09:54] <identp> when i do that
[09:55] <hussam> m0ns00n: just do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:55] <sbcl3> identp: what error?
[09:55] <ecarroll> Alright here is a fun problem to chew on, I have recently installed kubuntu, on a machine in which only the /home was left from a previous installation, now my sound system is borked, in KDE control panel i can play the sound test but not the midi test, in addition XMMS sends to stderr that the sound device is busy and cannot be opened, it sends to a gui dialog a message telling me my sound card is misconfigured; now here is the real
[09:55] <m0ns00n> hussam: sudo su
[09:55] <m0ns00n> hussam: apt-get update
[09:55] <m0ns00n> hussam: apt-get upgrade
[09:56] <identp> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:56] <identp> [13:11]  <identp> /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1_all.deb
[09:56] <identp> [13:11]  <identp> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:56] <identp> to solve this i do sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data[PRESS TAB HERE] 
[09:56] <m0ns00n> identp: dpkg --force-all --install /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1_all.deb
[09:57] <m0ns00n> identp: It's apt horror :-) TOO BAD that they never got their fist out their arse to fix synaptic/kynaptic to handle this apt problem
[09:57] <identp> and then sudo dpkg --configure -a
[09:57] <ecarroll> kdelibs data is borked on the us.* mirror, remove 'us.' from /etc/apt/sources.list reupdate, and try again
[09:57] <identp> and then udo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade 
[09:58] <ecarroll> (the european mirrors have a working and updated kdelibs)
[09:58] <m0ns00n> identp: What I mean is, another thing for people to complain about - you have to use the command line to fix the problem -- using the dpkg command
[09:58] <identp> ok, im trying to make a little install tutorial for my g/f to update kde on her computer
[09:58] <m0ns00n> identp: Should be a kynaptic option to force all
[09:58] <identp> ahh
[09:58] <hussam> ecarroll: of kde libs 3.4.1 or 3.4.0?
[09:58] <identp> 3.4.1
[09:59] <identp> im trying to put together a little simple tutorial and i just need the commands in correct order
[09:59] <hussam> ecarroll: what mirror for example?
[09:59] <ecarroll> 3.4.0
[09:59] <ecarroll> archive.ubuntu.org
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[10:01] <identp> crap, sorry
[10:01] <identp> im slightly embarased now
[10:01] <identp> so i guess when i update kde again on the other machine, i should just do it the same way?  by that I mean i should expect that error and then do the force overwrite?
[10:01] <sbcl3> its happened to me at least twice
[10:01] <sbcl3> don't worry abou tit, identp
[10:03] <identp> coming from widows, i get really pissed when i see an error during an install
[10:03] <identp> i like my comp clean
[10:10] <identp> would the easiest way to update and istall kde be: dpkg --force-all --install /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1_all.deb
[10:11] <identp> then sudo dpkg --configure -a
[10:11] <identp> then sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade
[10:11] <identp> ?
[10:12] <identp> wait, no... nevermind
[10:12] <sbcl3> can someone explain to me how to use superkaramba and give download recommendations? i installed it with apt
[10:14] <uniq> sbcl3: alt-f2 'superkaramba' <enter>
[10:14] <uniq> then it starts.
[10:15] <uniq> press the download link to find stuff to download.
[10:16] <ecarroll> what is the best way to perminatly disable artsd without breaking the ubuntu-desktop meta package? is there like a blacklist.d i can add it too?
[10:18] <uniq> go to control center - sound and multimedia - soundsystem - there uncheck the enable soundsystem box.
[10:53] <rjs> just checking out kubuntu
[10:53] <rjs> is this working?
[10:54] <Riddell> rjs: certainly is
[10:54] <rjs> super
[10:54] <rjs> Thanks
[10:55] <identp> kubuntu decided that it didnt like my cdrom anymore
[10:55] <identp> i took out one cd and put a new one in
[10:56] <identp> now i get the error: Unable to create io-slave:  error loading 'kio_media'
[10:56] <rjs> I'm wondering why my burner didn't work out of the box. Kubuntu found it, but no cdrdao was loaded.
[10:57] <hussam> can somebody ban sup3rnova_g1rl. it's a spam bot.
[10:58] <hussam> anybody else getting spam msgs from sup3rnova_g1rl?
[11:00] <barlas> hussam, you mean from freenode?
[11:02] <hussam> I donno, but it has the same ip as  user09 and I was getting spam messages from sup3rnova_g1rl
[11:06] <barlas> hussam, tell any freenode staff member, you can search for them by /who *.staff.freenode
[11:06] <Riddell> or me
[11:06] <hussam> thanks
[11:08] <hussam> Riddell: I know you are busy but did you have time to look at http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106922 / https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12096
[11:08] <hussam> I think it is the same bug
[11:16] <ilba7r> hi i installed gtk2_qt theme manager so i can manage the fonts from kde. Unfourtanetly it messed up all my gtk fonts. I removed it but still the fonts are messed up. ANY ONE KNOW HOW CAN I RETRIVE THE DEFAULT FONTS FOR GTK APPLICATIONS
[12:07] <paines> hi
[12:27] <wrtpeeps> hi, is the only main difference between ubuntu and kubuntu the fact that kubuntu is centered around KDE ?
[12:27] <Choubaka> Yes.
[12:27] <wrtpeeps> so, effectively, if i have ubuntu, and i get KDE, i have kubuntu?
[12:28] <Choubaka> no.
[12:29] <Choubaka> if you have ubuntu, and get kubuntu-desktop, THEN you have kubuntu 
[12:29] <apokryphos> Choubaka: pretty much, yes. KDE on Ubuntu is Kubuntu
[12:29] <Choubaka> apokryphos: nah.
[12:29] <apokryphos> Choubaka: with the lil' kubuntu-default-settings, yes.
[12:29] <Choubaka> well, of course.
[12:30] <Choubaka> but just KDE doesn't make ubuntu into kubuntu.
[12:30] <Choubaka> it's the set of KDE software.
[12:30] <Choubaka> Though this is just nitpicking. :P
[12:30] <apokryphos> That's arguable, and I'd probably disagree. The customizations alone don't make it Kubuntu; else, you'd be implying that if I altered i.e. the KDM theme that I wasn't running Kubuntu
[12:31] <Choubaka> nah.
[12:31] <Choubaka> it becomes kubuntu if you install the kubuntu set of packages.
[12:31] <apokryphos> Thing is, what's the minimal you need to call it "Kubuntu", and I'd say Ubuntu + KDE. What else do you think is required?
[12:31] <apokryphos> So when I remove Konversation it's no longer Kubuntu? Come on now.
[12:31] <Choubaka> kubuntu-desktop
[12:32] <apokryphos> I disagree
[12:32] <Choubaka> well, kubuntu-desktop is the reason why kubuntu is kubuntu and not ubuntu with KDE
[12:32] <Choubaka> meh.
[12:33] <apokryphos> Kubuntu-Desktop is but a different option, a different path to go down. There are others; this all clarified on the Wiki pre-hoary
[12:33] <wrtpeeps> anyone have any screenshots of kubuntu
[12:33] <Choubaka> I'm not even running kubuntu myself :P
[12:33] <apokryphos> wrtpeeps: there's quite a few on kdelook.org
[12:33] <apokryphos> Choubaka: you don't have Ubuntu + KDE? ;-)
[12:33] <Choubaka> no.
[12:34] <Choubaka> I run OS X as my main desktop now that my linux machine died.
[12:34] <apokryphos> :S
[12:34] <Choubaka> I used to run Ubuntu.
[12:34] <Choubaka> Without KDE. :P
[12:34] <apokryphos> :-O
[12:34] <apokryphos> Criminal :P
[12:34] <Choubaka> To be honest, I dislike KDE.
[12:34] <wrtpeeps> i run ubuntu.. everyone tells me KDE is bad
[12:35] <Choubaka> I'm just on this channel because it's related to Ubuntu :)
[12:35] <apokryphos> wrtpeeps: well take it from me: KDE is great.
[12:35] <apokryphos> Choubaka: why?
[12:35] <Choubaka> I find it too cluttered.
[12:35] <wrtpeeps> i'm downloading livecd, we shall see :)
[12:35] <apokryphos> What parts do you find cluttered? 
[12:35] <Choubaka> the menus.
[12:36] <apokryphos> Odd point. How are they cluttered? They have too many options? The width of them is bad?
[12:36] <Choubaka> shitloads of options everywhere
[12:36] <apokryphos> Hehe. Typical GNOME criticism, sorry.
[12:36] <Choubaka> makes finding the meaningful ones difficult.
[12:36] <wrtpeeps> GNOME is nice
[12:36] <wrtpeeps> xfce4 is nice
[12:36] <Choubaka> yes.
[12:36] <wrtpeeps> nice and compact
[12:37] <apokryphos> I don't think finding them is difficult at all. There's global menus for all of them, such as "Configure {Program}" etc. are always in the same place
[12:37] <Choubaka> Yeah.
[12:37] <apokryphos> It's certainly more integrated than GNOME in that respect
[12:37] <Choubaka> But why are the options there?
[12:37] <Choubaka> 80% of users won't need the,
[12:37] <apokryphos> What options? Could you provide an example?
[12:37] <Choubaka> so they could be in some configuration app.
[12:38] <Choubaka> Not right now, since I don't remember all the options.
[12:38] <apokryphos> You think there should be an external configuration app to handle the configurations of one program?
[12:38] <Choubaka> No.
[12:38] <Choubaka> Well, I don't care how you do it.
[12:39] <Choubaka> They just shouldn't be in the menus.
[12:39] <apokryphos> Personally I can't help but think that the gnome criticism of "too many options" is a really bad way of responding to the positive fact that there are many options. More options means more customizability, flexibility, and thus ensuring greater usability
[12:39] <Choubaka> Why is there like "Preferences" and "Confugure KDE" and "Configure plugins" and "Configure Konqueror" in the top-level menu?
[12:40] <Choubaka> :P
[12:40] <Choubaka> apokryphos: wrong.
[12:40] <Choubaka> more options may be just confusing.
[12:40] <Choubaka> especially if they're too visible.
[12:40] <Choubaka> which is the case of KDE apps, IMO.
[12:41] <apokryphos> Top-level menu...where?
[12:41] <Choubaka> I don't like the registry-like configuration editor of gnome either though.
[12:41] <Choubaka> apokryphos: in applications.
[12:41] <Choubaka> you know, the file - edit- tools - whatever
[12:42] <apokryphos> I don't think the options are arranged badly at all; I rarely I have trouble finding something I know exists... I'd rather have them than not have them at all.
[12:42] <Choubaka> _I_ think they are badly arranged ;P
[12:42] <apokryphos> I don't see a "Configure KDE" anywhere..
[12:42] <Choubaka> That was just an example.
[12:43] <Choubaka> But you do see several "configures" don't you?
[12:43] <Choubaka> they could all just be under "preferences."
[12:43] <apokryphos> I always see but one Configure to Configure the program
[12:43] <apokryphos> No, I very much like the fact that there's a demarcation between Configuring Shortcuts and Configuring the program
[12:44] <Choubaka> Why can't you configure the program shortcuts?
[12:44] <Choubaka> in a submenu. :P
[12:44] <Choubaka> or are the shortcuts global like in OS X?
[12:45] <apokryphos> I don't like it that way at all, but this is so that there can be a global menu.. as in, all programs have the "Configure Shortcuts" in that menu; if Shortcuts was put into "Configure Program" then it would have to change for apps that didn't have it etc..
[12:45] <Choubaka> in that case you could just have some top-level configuration app which handles shared configuration, instead of showing global menus in every app. :P 
[12:46] <apokryphos> Which shared configuration?
[12:46] <Choubaka> Perhaps I'm confused then.
[12:47] <apokryphos> Choubaka: but anyhow, is that really your reason for not using KDE? That you don't like the menus? :P
[12:47] <Choubaka> But I'm not going to start liking the KDE way very easily, especially since the clutterness isn't the only reason I wouldn't use it.
[12:47] <Choubaka> apokryphos: no.
[12:47] <apokryphos> What's the main reason? I'd generally always mention that one first :P
[12:47] <Choubaka> KDE lacks proper handling for multiple input methods.
[12:48] <apokryphos> i.e.
[12:48] <Choubaka> That is actually the only _critical_ flaw.
[12:48] <Choubaka> It will be fixed in future realeases of KDE as far as I know. :)
[12:49] <Choubaka> apokryphos: I can't easily set up input methods for multiple languages.
[12:49] <Choubaka> And I can't  switch them on the fly without resorting to ugly hacks..
[12:49] <apokryphos> Wouldn't know too much about that; we had Greek set up working fine though not too long ago
[12:50] <Choubaka> I require Japanese and Finnish. 
[12:50] <Choubaka> in GTK2 apps it's just a matter of installing a japanese input module.
[12:51] <Choubaka> in KDE apps, I have to install UIM as the XIM input method, and then install a module for UIM to handle both japanese and Finnish.
[12:52] <Choubaka> the problem is, QT itself has no clue that I'm sw
[12:52] <apokryphos> If that's the case then sure, that's an issue that needs to be addressed.
[12:52] <Choubaka> itching methods.
[12:52] <Choubaka> It will be addressed. 
[12:52] <Choubaka> in QT4.
[12:52] <apokryphos> nice
[12:52] <Choubaka> Which is good. I may be able to give KDE a shot.
[12:52] <apokryphos> :)
[12:53] <Choubaka> but I still don't like the menus. too much stuff -_-
[12:54] <Choubaka> I'm not sure I'll be running a linux desktop for a while though.
[12:54] <Choubaka> OS X quite defeats both KDE and Gnome.
[12:56] <apokryphos> that good, eh
[12:56] <Choubaka> The default theme is good too. It's white and blue an clean so I don't care if I can't change it. Hehe.
[12:56] <apokryphos> That's like me and Plastik... I really quite like it still.
[12:57] <Choubaka> apokryphos: with a couple additional tools it's just perfect for me.
[12:57] <Choubaka> I don't even use the command line that much anymore.
[12:58] <Choubaka> The GUI can do things quick and easy too. With only the keyboard.
[12:59] <apokryphos> cool
[01:00] <Choubaka> Though I'm still accustomed to clicking open Mail and stuff instead of using speech recognition or Quicksilver. 
[01:03] <apokryphos> Choubaka: how is gnome doing with Text-to-speech stuff?
[01:04] <Choubaka> Dunno.
[01:04] <Choubaka> Never needed TTS.
[01:52] <fromoze> Someone can give me info about bots on freenode?
[01:52] <fromoze> I'm interested to introduce a bot in #kubuntu-es..
[01:53] <fromoze> and I can't find nothing on google.. :$
[02:03] <apokryphos> fromoze: what type of bot? If you ask cafuego he can probably add ubotu
[02:04] <fromoze> apokryphos: but we'll need it to talk in spanish... 
[02:05] <fromoze> apokryphos: I'm on the IRC since 3 weeks... I'm trying to learn firs how das a bot work xD
[02:05] <apokryphos> fromoze: blootbot is a very popular type.. not sure if it comes with a Spanish language pack
[02:06] <fromoze> for the bot we need a hosting, no?
[02:06] <fromoze> we can introduce the answers?
[02:06] <apokryphos> correct
[02:06] <apokryphos> Yup
[02:06] <apokryphos> fromoze: for example, /msg ubotu and type "help"
[02:08] <fromoze> I see... may be the easier way would be to ask in ubuntu-es for the bot they have...
[02:08] <apokryphos> they have one?
[02:09] <fromoze> :/ I think, but he didn't answer my questions xD
[02:09] <fromoze> s/he/it
[02:09] <nikkia> you could always write one yourself, its a good learning exercise
[02:09] <nikkia> with PyIrc its not very hard either
[02:09] <apokryphos> They have a ubuntu-es bot... doesn't seem to do anything though
[02:10] <fromoze> apokryphos: yes, and no help :/
[02:11] <apokryphos> Does it *have* to talk in Spanish for giving a link, really? 
[02:11] <fromoze> nikkia: Can you help me finding info about irc-bots?
[02:11] <nikkia> fromoze: not really, no
[02:11] <apokryphos> !repositories
[02:11] <ubotu> repositories is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:11] <nikkia> fromoze: i haven't run any bots for ages
[02:11] <apokryphos> does it matter that that's not in Spanish, for example? :)
[02:11] <fromoze> apokryphos: ... eh... well, the answer of ubotu is the synaptics way...
[02:11] <nikkia> apokryphos: knowing the spanish, yes
[02:12] <fromoze> !cerveze
[02:12] <ubotu> Wish i knew, fromoze
[02:12] <fromoze> !cerveza
[02:12] <ubotu> fromoze: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:12] <apokryphos> nikkia: any idea if blootbot has a Spanish language pack?
[02:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: they're not as rabid about language as the french, but they do care
[02:12] <fromoze> apokryphos: It doesn't understand spanish xD
[02:12] <fromoze> rabid?
[02:14] <nikkia> fromoze: the dictionary would say: the state of having rabies, but in english common usage, rabid means 'very agressive about'
[02:14] <fromoze> nikkia: we need to take care on our language, there's too much speakers to forget them :P
[02:15] <fromoze> nikkia: thank for the info, in my collinsGem I can't find rabid :(
[02:15] <fromoze> nikkia: on #kubuntu english is too high-leveled to my poor dictionarie :'(
[02:15] <nikkia> fromoze: as i said, dictionary-wise, it means 'something that has rabies, and is exhibiting the symptoms of rabies', eg, 'the rabid dog' would refer to a dog that was exhibiting symptoms of rabies, ie, foaming at the mouth, etc
[02:16] <nikkia> fromoze: english is a strange language, what it says in the dictionary isn't necessarily what is intended by the speaker :)
[02:16] <fromoze> nikkia: most of the languages are like that :D
[02:16] <nikkia> fromoze: not french, IME
[02:17] <nikkia> its a very wysiwyg language, in my experience, that's 'what you say...' :)
[02:17] <fromoze> nikkia: The better spanish dictionarie is called "Diccionario de Uso del Espaol Mara Moliner". Is better than the Official one because it keeps the uses of the words, not just the official meaning.
[02:17] <nikkia> fromoze: i see
[02:19] <fromoze> nikkia: well I'm not sure about french... but at least, with the "verslen" is dificult to find the words on the dictionnary :)
[02:19] <nikkia> fromoze: i used to freak out a belgian that was studying at our university, by using a different greeting every day, her poor french-based mind couldn't cope with the multitude of ways to communicate a greeting :)
[02:20] <fromoze> nikkia: A french would say you that the problem is that he's "belge" xD
[02:21] <fromoze> nikkia: Belgian are the 'stupid' people on the french jokes :/ 
[02:21] <fromoze> nikkia: I dunno why, but french and belgian aren't too much amicable...
[02:21] <nikkia> fromoze: she was very smart, actually, but the french language just seems too literal to cope with english
[02:22] <nikkia> fromoze: if i say 'how are you?' a common phrase in english as a greeting, it is taken literally to be a request for their medical status :)
[02:22] <fromoze> nikkia: The think I like in english is the use of short sentences.
[02:22] <nikkia> fromoze: you mean the way we've taken single words to mean a whole thing? like 'alright?' for example ?
[02:23] <fromoze> nikkia: no, just about litterature
[02:23] <nikkia> fromoze: the downside, is, that english is a very vague language at times
[02:24] <nikkia> even our use of tense can be vague at times :/
[02:24] <fromoze> nikkia: the language I appreciate the most is japanais, and I start lovin' english looking that it was the better european language to translate it :)
[02:25] <fromoze> nikkia: One of my teacher said: "Englishmen can't do real phillosophy. How can they try about important thing just in past and present?" xD
[02:26] <fromoze> nikkia: but spanish is hard because of all the different tenses we have :/ 
[02:27] <nikkia> fromoze: most european languages are hard for us english because of all the verbing
[02:27] <fromoze> nikkia: I know
[02:29] <eolo> which is the default sound system for kubuntu and how do i switch to alsa
[02:30] <nikkia> eolo: KDE uses arts, which should default to using alsa, unless you have some hardware that isn't detected properly
[02:31] <fromoze> nikkia: For me the funny thing about english and germa about phillosphy is when Heidegger introduces the concept: dassein (in english to be there I suppose). In spanish we have a verb to say that: 'estar', but our phillosophers uses the word 'dassein' ... Well nothing about kubuntu, just an Off TOPIC xD
[02:31] <buz> mhh?
[02:31] <buz> dassein isnt even a german word
[02:32] <buz> i think it should read dasein (roughly existence)
[02:32] <fromoze> buz: well, I misspell it, sorry :)
[02:32] <buz> np ;)
[02:33] <buz> there are actually a few german words in use in many languages
[02:33] <buz> not as many as french or latin, but they exist
[02:34] <fromoze> buz: Franziskaner xD
[02:35] <fromoze> Do you know there're only 2 japanais words used out of Japan?
[02:37] <nikkia> sushi ?
[02:37] <fromoze> nein
[02:37] <otep[idlip] > samurai?
[02:37] <fromoze> nein
[02:38] <fromoze> It seems those aren't 'japanaise original' :/ ...
[02:38] <otep[idlip] > hmmm
[02:38] <buz> harakiri?
[02:39] <buz> kamikaze?
[02:39] <buz> domo arrigato mr roboto? SCNR
[02:39] <otep[idlip] > ahhahaa
[02:39] <fromoze> It's a japanais who say the two words to me...  maybe it means that the words are used on other languages. Because samurai == aristocrat ...
[02:39] <fromoze> the two are: tsunami and wasabi :)
[02:40] <fromoze> I think we use/know much more... but... 
[02:42] <nikkia> i wonder if anyone had bets on how long i'd hang around the office this morning...
[02:42] <nikkia> if they did, whoever had 'a little under 3 hours' won :P
[03:39] <teprrr> hmm, where I can found libc6 frmo archive.ubuntu.org?
[03:39] <teprrr> or how can I downgrade it with apt-get?
[04:23] <_geiseri> hiya, has anyone here with a powerpc actually tried the mencoder/mplayer packages?  they seem to be missing the actual executables
[04:39] <\Grooby\> good morning people
[04:40] <jjesse> morning grooby
[04:41] <\Grooby\> <--- grabbing kubuntu cd right now
[04:41] <\Grooby\> hopefully it'll save me from my gentoo insanity
[04:41] <jjesse> i just reloaded kubuntu this weekend on my laptop and it was a breeze :)
[04:41] <\Grooby\> i installed ubuntu on my desktop and it worked great
[04:42] <\Grooby\> but then the hardware failed because I forgot to make sure my water is flowing properly (h2o cooling)
[04:42] <\Grooby\> decided to go w/ gentoo just for the heck
[04:42] <\Grooby\> and man...98@ up and running
[04:42] <\Grooby\> but java 1.5 and azureus just refuses to work properly
[04:43] <Rockett17> does anyone know if thee is a way to resize/stretch the desktop icons in kde like you can in Gnome?
[04:43] <jjesse> not off the top of my head anything on the wiki?
[04:44] <Rockett17> not that I could find - I posted in a forum too and nobody replied
[04:45] <Rockett17> cause I wanted to have a huge hard drive icon on the top right like in MacOSX
[04:49] <fromoze> Someone knows where is the f*** option to reduce resources comsuption on KDE?? I know is easy to find, but I can't :'(
[04:51] <fromoze> Someone knows where is the f*** option to reduce resources comsuption on KDE?? I know is easy to find, but I can't :'(
[04:52] <mats> try command center
[04:53] <fromoze> mats: yes, I have look all around, but I can't find it... I see it a lot of times, but not today :'(
[04:54] <kalenedrael> umm
[04:54] <kalenedrael> KDE is a resource hog and there's not much you can do about it
[04:55] <fromoze> kalenedrael: yes, you can change a lot of thing, there's the option! I have use it before :/
[04:55] <kalenedrael> the only resource-minimizing thing i see is in control center -> KDE components -> KDE performance
[04:56] <kalenedrael> is that it?
[04:57] <fromoze> kalenedrael: no, there's a bigger option.
[04:57] <fromoze> I think is about aparence, to make engine lighter, but I can't find it today :/
[04:57] <mats> fromoze: and you have seen it before?
[04:57] <fromoze> yes, is as the question on the first time setup of kde
[04:57] <buz> during first install it asked me such stuff
[04:58] <fromoze> buz: and you can modify that after the install... the option is there! or at least in 3.4 ...
[04:59] <mats> fromoze: send me a msg if you find that option. I would realy like to modify my resource too :)
[05:00] <fromoze> mats: Isn't for me, me amd64 do the job well ;)
[05:00] <mats> fromoze: :) ahh
[05:00] <mats> fromoze: then try installing enlightenment or FVWM ;)
[05:00] <kalenedrael> umm, do you know at least what category the option is in?
[05:00] <fromoze> fvwm-crystal
[05:01] <mats> (: fvwm is nice
[05:01] <buz> yeah kde4 looks schweeet
[05:01] <kalenedrael> 'enable GUI effects'?
[05:01] <buz> that would help to disable 
[05:02] <kalenedrael> yes, it would
[05:02] <kalenedrael> that's in appearance and themes -> style -> effects
[05:02] <mats> There is a bunch of things he can disable ;)
[05:03] <kalenedrael> i think the option it gives you at install time is a meta-option that does a lot of things
[05:03] <kalenedrael> if it gives you such an option
[05:04] <fromoze> kalenedrael: I've see the option after the install... but may be isn't on kde 3.4.1?
[05:05] <kalenedrael> perhaps
[05:05] <kalenedrael> what version of KDE are you using?
[05:05] <fromoze> 3.4.1
[05:06] <kalenedrael> what version did you find that option on?
[05:06] <kalenedrael> i'm using 3.4.0, hmm
[05:07] <Chambers`> anyone have a link to kde 4 screenshots?
[05:07] <fromoze> I can't say the version :/
[05:07] <mats> Chambers`: KDEs own webpage would have some pics for you. 
[05:07] <mats> I belive :O
[05:08] <Chambers`> i googled and couldn't find anything :P
[05:09] <mats> Chambers`: you can read a lot of KDE 4.. i dont know if theres pictures.. 
[05:09] <Chambers`> i wanna see some pics :)
[05:11] <mats> I realy don't belive KDE 4 would be that different in the meny look. Its more about the futures 
[05:15] <jpowers> Isn't plasma going into kde4?
[05:15] <\Grooby\> i always thought plasma is kde4's codename
[05:15] <\Grooby\> or am I just smoking crack?
[05:16] <jpowers> you COULD be right
[05:16] <mats> \Grooby\: i belive so..
[05:17] <TestMAD> xp sux when it comes to partinioning
[05:18] <TestMAD> i lost 10 gigs of data last nite
[05:18] <\Grooby\> doh!
[05:18] <TestMAD> was up till 4:30am and only managed to recover 586 megs of it
[05:20] <kalenedrael> doh *smack*
[05:21] <kalenedrael> that sucks
[05:21] <kalenedrael> backup
[05:21] <\Grooby\> lol
[05:21] <\Grooby\> sometimes you just got too much crap for backup tho ;)
[05:21] <\Grooby\> i lost about 300gb worth of stuff cause i have no way of backing them up before I did a raidreconf
[05:22] <supernix> Does anyone use a SDcard reader with their system ?
[05:22] <kalenedrael> get a 33GB hard drive and transfer it
[05:22] <kalenedrael> er
[05:22] <kalenedrael> 300
[05:22] <TestMAD> not everyone can just go out and buy hd's
[05:22] <mats> 300gb - its a lot of stuff. Who needs all that diskspace? ;O
[05:22] <kalenedrael> it costs a bit, yes, but it's better than losing 300GB of stuff
[05:23] <\Grooby\> ii got over it
[05:23] <\Grooby\> it's just porn
[05:23] <\Grooby\> :P
[05:23] <kalenedrael> hahaha
[05:23] <mats> hahahaha
[05:23] <TestMAD> hehe
[05:24] <TestMAD> i didnt lose anything like that..i lost my backup
[05:24] <TestMAD> it was a straight drive copy
[05:24] <TestMAD> and all gone
[05:24] <mats> TestMAD: ah, so you only had 586 megs with porn?
[05:24] <TestMAD> no.
[05:25] <TestMAD> no pron
[05:25] <mats> 8-)
[05:25] <kalenedrael> you lost your backup...?
[05:25] <TestMAD> all i was worried bout we're the pictures from my cam
[05:25] <kalenedrael> i back up to DVD
[05:25] <TestMAD> yea..lost my backup
[05:26] <TestMAD> well..im poor..if i wasnt poor..i wouldnt be so into getting kubuntu werkin
[05:26] <\Grooby\> ??
[05:26] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[05:26] <\Grooby\> u'll be working on a brand spanking new mac laptop
[05:26] <\Grooby\> ??
[05:26] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[05:26] <TestMAD> dvdr's are a luxory to me
[05:27] <mihai_> hey can you please tell me what do i need to modify in sources.list to use the testing repo ?
[05:29] <TestMAD> does kubuntu have a testing repo?
[05:31] <\Grooby\> i can set one up with nothing in it
[05:31] <\Grooby\> should i?
[05:31] <\Grooby\> even better, i'll set one up with porns
[05:31] <\Grooby\> =D
[05:32] <\Grooby\> "apt-get Debbie_does_dallas_2000"
[05:32] <mats> haha
[05:33] <mats> Hey, i want you mirror! :o
[05:33] <\Grooby\> actually i have no idea what I am talking about
[05:33] <\Grooby\> hehehehe
[05:33] <mats> s/you/that/
[05:34] <mats> hehe ;)
[05:34] <\Grooby\> i am a linux noob!
[05:34] <mats> i have used linux for 3 years now - im still a noob :)
[05:34] <\Grooby\> lol
[05:35] <mats> allways things to learn ;)
[05:35] <fromoze_away> \Grooby\: we can see, old users will write: apt-get source Debbie_does_Dallas_2000
[05:35] <TestMAD> hehe
[05:35] <\Grooby\> :P
[05:35] <TestMAD> that would be funny
[05:36] <\Grooby\> last 2 weeks, i'll be doing emerge debbie_does_dallas_2000
[05:36] <mats> realse pr0n under GPL ;)
[05:36] <\Grooby\> no no
[05:36] <\Grooby\> it's the "creative license"
[05:36] <yasser> HELP!!!!!!!!!!
[05:36] <\Grooby\> you can modify and edit camera angles and scenes
[05:36] <\Grooby\> but you have to re-release it out
[05:36] <kalenedrael> ok yasser...
[05:36] <mats> (-8
[05:36] <yasser> how can i stop apt-get upgrade
[05:37] <kalenedrael> hy?
[05:37] <yasser> its going on in bacground
[05:37] <kalenedrael> why?
[05:37] <kalenedrael> oh
[05:37] <kalenedrael> fg
[05:37] <fromoze_away> \Grooby\: apt-get source will download to your computer just the source, the source to make the film will be funnier than the film itself; don't you? 
[05:37] <kalenedrael> then ctrl-c
[05:37] <yasser> where?
[05:37] <fromoze_away> \Grooby\: it was a apt-get stupid joke ;)
[05:37] <\Grooby\> hahahaha
[05:37] <\Grooby\> i c i c
[05:37] <mats> yasser: type 'top' and kill -9 pid
[05:37] <\Grooby\> killall apt-get?!?1
[05:37] <\Grooby\> or that's no good
[05:37] <yasser> i gave the commands to upgrade to kde 3.4 and want to kill that now
[05:38] <yasser> sorry kde 3.4.1
[05:38] <mats> upgrade as a backgound prosess? :P
[05:38] <mats> yasser: ctcl c or type ps aux | grep apt
[05:38] <mats> and kill the prosess by type kill -9 pid
[05:39] <mats> Anyone heard of Lene Marlin? :p
[05:40] <\Grooby\> who's he/she?
[05:40] <mats> Shes a norwegian singer/songwrighter
[05:40] <\Grooby\> nope
[05:40] <mats> ok, stupid question - im boored :p
[05:41] <\Grooby\> hahahaha
[05:41] <mats> you would know if she was a pr0n-actress :p
[05:41] <mats> hehe
[05:42] <\Grooby\> actually i won't
[05:42] <\Grooby\> hehehehe
[05:42] <mats> hehe
[05:42] <\Grooby\> and even if I do, i can not admit to it
[05:42] <\Grooby\> =D
[05:43] <mats> (-8
[05:45] <\Grooby\> mats, you played w/ gentoo at all?
[05:46] <mats> \Grooby\: gentoo takes too long time too work with..
[05:46] <\Grooby\> amen
[05:46] <mats> ;)
[05:47] <kalenedrael> funroll-loops.org
[05:47] <\Grooby\> but it just vexes me that i can't get freaking java and azureus to work with it
[05:48] <mats> kalenedrael: =D
[05:48] <TestMAD> oh..i got flash werkin with konqueror yesterday..but it only werked halfright
[05:48] <mats> \Grooby\: realy?
[05:48] <\Grooby\> welp....java 1.5 was suppose to be marked because they couldn't get it to work right yet or something
[05:49] <\Grooby\> masked i mean
[05:49] <\Grooby\> anyway..i force it to install..force azureus to install...and nothing really works right
[05:49] <\Grooby\> it works...but would lock up after about 20 minutes
[05:49] <mats> hehehe
[05:49] <\Grooby\> and i had azureus up and running on ubuntu in like...30 seconds?!?1
[05:50] <\Grooby\> and I spent my whole weekend tackling that stupid azureus problem on gentoo
[05:50] <mats> gentoo is the devil. Never used it more than 10 dys or something
[05:50] <TestMAD> i was going to use gentoo instead of kubuntu..
[05:51] <mats> \Grooby\: there you go.. but you dont learn that much by installing ubuntu..
[05:51] <\Grooby\> yeah
[05:51] <\Grooby\> it's a good learning experience
[05:51] <mats> TestMAD: arch-linux \o/ 
[05:51] <\Grooby\> i still use it on my server box
[05:51] <TestMAD> y arch?
[05:51] <mats> \Grooby\: it realy is
[05:51] <\Grooby\> as a desktop....
[05:51] <\Grooby\> i rather use something easier
[05:52] <mats> \Grooby\: with gentoo (and arc-linux) you learn how the system works
[05:52] <mats> arch
[05:52] <\Grooby\> bless you ;P
[05:52] <mats> \Grooby\: :) (K)ubuntu is the ultimate desktop distro.. 
[05:52] <mats> ;)
[05:53] <\Grooby\> i hope so
[05:53] <TestMAD> i should use MEPIS...the developers office is only like 45 minutes away from here...if i ever get tired of trying to get crap to werk..i can just pack up my pc and take it to them and tell them to fix it..lol
[05:53] <\Grooby\> i like KDE base on what I saw on gentoo
[05:53] <stibby> gentoo pwns, if you can get it to work ^_^
[05:53] <\Grooby\> that's the trick
[05:53] <\Grooby\> i don't have that much time to get it to work properly
[05:53] <\Grooby\> heheheh
[05:54] <stibby> it reminds me of a bash.org quote... http://bash.org/?464385
[05:54] <mats> stibby: yes - yot a stable distro, but it takes alot of time working with it. and upgrading is like hell
[05:55] <\Grooby\> rofmao
[05:55] <stibby> mats: you never need to upgrade gentoo. i thought that was the point.
[05:55] <stibby> or do you mean things like kde?
[05:55] <\Grooby\> I don't think upgrade would be that much of a pain..at least i've not encounter pains when I upgrade packages
[05:55] <\Grooby\> but setting it up was hell
[05:55] <mats> stibby: i meant things like KDE
[05:56] <stibby> you can't just emerge them?
[05:56] <pakitoman> ok
[05:56] <pakitoman> merci mat
[05:56] <mats> i dont have the time too wait 30 min just by waiting
[05:56] <\Grooby\> hehehehe
[05:57] <\Grooby\> 30 min is a understatement tho
[05:57] <kalenedrael> apt-get upgrade...
[05:57] <\Grooby\> i think my first emerge for kde was about 12 hours+
[05:57] <pakitoman> de toute faacon c est du debian
[05:57] <mats> \Grooby\: i used 15 hours+ .. slow pc
[05:59] <\Grooby\> oh well
[06:00] <\Grooby\> i'll try out kubuntu tonight
[06:00] <\Grooby\> and try the live cd on this laptop
[06:00] <pakitoman> pas grave mat je parle sur le channel
[06:00] <\Grooby\> nani?
[06:00] <pakitoman> je viens d acheter linux+ distro
[06:00] <pakitoman> il y a une viersion de debian 3.1
[06:03] <\Grooby\> ??
[06:03] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[06:03] <\Grooby\> hehehe
[06:04] <\Grooby\> i was trying to type that in chinese
[06:05] <stibby> http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=21108&file1=21108-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=waterdrop <--- how did the guy get his window list transparent?
[06:06] <jjesse> is that your background stibby?
[06:07] <stibby> no
[06:07] <stibby> its a screenshot from kde look
[06:07] <TestMAD> i cant remember..i say it on the ubuntu forums on how to do that
[06:07] <jjesse> what is the monitoring program running on the side
[06:07] <stibby> it probably requires a hack then :grown:
[06:07] <stibby> yeah; that is nice. i want to know too
[06:07] <TestMAD> lemme find it
[06:08] <stibby> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=21108
[06:08] <stibby> jjesse: the page has more info on the program
[06:08] <\Grooby\> gkrellm?
[06:09] <stibby> yeah
[06:09] <nikkia> jjesse: the transparent taskbar isn't a hack
[06:10] <stibby> how is it done?
[06:10] <nikkia> its just the 'transparent' and 'advanced' options from the 'panel options/appearance'
[06:10] <stibby> i can't figure it out
[06:10] <nikkia> right click on the panel, choose 'Configure Panel'
[06:11] <\Grooby\> 4th tab
[06:11] <nikkia> click on the tab labelled 'Appearance'
[06:11] <\Grooby\> advance
[06:11] <\Grooby\> nikkia got to it before me
[06:11] <\Grooby\> :)
[06:11] <nikkia> check 'Enable Transparency'
[06:11] <stibby> but that doesn't make the window list transparent...
[06:11] <nikkia> then click 'Advanced Options' and set the opacity with the 'tiny amount' control
[06:12] <nikkia> ah, you mean the actual buttons ?
[06:13] <jjesse> iknow the transperancey but i'm looking at the monitoring program
[06:14] <stibby> yep, the actual buttons
[06:16] <nikkia> its quite possibly an alternate taskbar
[06:20] <stibby> yes; quite possibly
[06:21] <\Grooby\> ok..back to work
[06:30] <ermac`> are there any p2p programs available for kubuntu/linux??
[06:31] <kalenedrael> yeah, bittorrent
[06:31] <ermac`> for music?
[06:32] <\Grooby\> p2p program for music?
[06:32] <ermac`> yes
[06:32] <TestMAD> does napster have a linux version?
[06:32] <ermac`> like kazaa on windows
[06:33] <TestMAD> i know that limewire is on linux
[06:33] <\Grooby\> sorry..i don't do music
[06:33] <\Grooby\> only pron
[06:33] <TestMAD> hehe
[06:33] <ermac`> TestMAD, wath site is limewire?
[06:33] <TestMAD> sudo apt-get install Debbie_Does_Dallas_2000
[06:34] <othernoob> i like your thinking TestMAD ;)
[06:34] <TestMAD> ill remember that forever
[06:34] <mats> TestMAD: Gnutella
[06:34] <TestMAD> limewire is gnutella
[06:34] <\Grooby\> my friend has told me 2 porns that they use to watch in college
[06:34] <ermac`> TestMAD, wath is Debbie_Does_Dallas_2000?
[06:34] <othernoob> just 2?
[06:34] <\Grooby\> "revenge of pussy sucker from marse" and "double-D nurses"
[06:34] <ermac`> a porno movie?
[06:34] <ermac`> :p
[06:34] <\Grooby\> i just htink the first one is funny
[06:35] <TestMAD> hehe..
[06:35] <\Grooby\> think "war of the world"...but porn version
[06:35] <mats> TestMAD: dont know.. dont like p2p-warez-shit ;)
[06:36] <TestMAD> me either
[06:36] <TestMAD> limewire uses the Gnutella protocol tho
[06:36] <mats> TestMAD: ok :-) 
[06:36] <TestMAD> so does..bearshare,imesh, and some others
[06:37] <TestMAD> but all that illegal
[06:37] <mats> TestMAD: just remember that i used gnutella for about 2-3 years ago ;)
[06:37] <TestMAD> ermac`: should be lookin into napster..
[06:37] <\Grooby\> is there a SQL gui interface that works with oracle?
[06:38] <ermac`> napster isnt freeware or is it?
[06:38] <TestMAD> well.. you have to pay to d/l music
[06:38] <TestMAD> thats what makes it legal
[06:39] <ermac`> yeah i hate to pay :'(
[06:39] <mats> much like iTune s;)
[06:39] <TestMAD> that would be funny tho if someone made a pron repo..
[06:40] <buz> there was something like that i think
[06:40] <buz> called lesbian
[06:40] <\Grooby\> roflmao
[06:40] <TestMAD> hehe
[06:40] <mats> hehehe
[06:40] <buz> never used it tho
[06:40] <\Grooby\> where can i get the iso of that?
[06:40] <\Grooby\> www.whitehouse.com?
[06:41] <mats> at the Bill Clintons homepage
[06:41] <\Grooby\> you can only enter after you purchase a cigar?
[06:41] <buz> na there you only get Deep Throat
[06:41] <TestMAD> heheh
[06:43] <mats> Oracle Sql is nice
[06:44] <\Grooby\> i got spoiled by sql navigator
[06:44] <TestMAD> well..in about an hour..im gonna need some help to upgrade to the k7 kernel..
[06:44] <\Grooby\> k7 kernel?
[06:44] <TestMAD> last time i did it..i did something wrong
[06:44] <TestMAD> yea.
[06:44] <TestMAD> hold..brbr
[06:44] <mats> TestMAD: and you got "kernal panic" ?
[06:45] <mats> TestMAD: 2.6.12.3 you mean?
[06:46] <TestMAD> umm..dunno
[06:47] <\Grooby\> what's k7 kernel?
[06:47] <TestMAD> dont remember.
[06:47] <TestMAD> its for amd cpu's
[06:47] <TestMAD> i386 is for intels..but will werk on amd
[06:47] <\Grooby\> i know
[06:47] <TestMAD> im wanting the k7 for the optimisation
[06:47] <\Grooby\> but is it a compile from source?
[06:47] <\Grooby\> or is it a apt package?
[06:47] <TestMAD> apt package i think
[06:48] <\Grooby\> hmm
[06:48] <\Grooby\> interesting
[06:48] <TestMAD> i saw it in kynaptic
[06:48] <mikl> it's AMD-processors
[06:48] <TestMAD> mats: when i loaded the k7 up..it added 2 entries to grub..and when it booted up i got put in console..level2
[06:48] <\Grooby\> i'll have to look into that
[06:49] <othernoob> TestMAD: just get the equivalent to the one you're using right now..probably 2.6.10-5 ..2.6.11 is unstable... and 2.6.12 is for breezy and shall not be used in hoary ;)
[06:49] <mikl> \Grooby\: It's for AMD-processors
[06:49] <mats> TestMAD: and the problem is?
[06:50] <TestMAD> y did i get dropped into console and not kde?
[06:51] <mats> startx ;)
[06:52] <\Grooby\> what happens when you do init 5?
[06:53] <stibby> how do i extract a tar.bz2 archive? on tar.gz its tar xzvf
[06:53] <\Grooby\> tar xjf
[06:54] <yoz> hi guys anyone willing to help concerning some wlan settings. I have a centrino lappy with a wireless 2200 card from intel. It seems everything went fine on installation even my ap's are detected accoring to iwlist. when I setup the interface using the right essid, enc etc. it seems like it connects to the ap at least kwifimanager shows that. anyway.. I cannot ping any ip nor a host from the lan. 
[06:54] <mats> tar xjvf file.tar.bz2 and to make one tar cjf folder.tar.bz2 folder/
[06:54] <yoz> I also did set a gateway in the control center.
[06:56] <TestMAD> mats: i tried to startx and it said xwa already running
[06:56] <mats> TestMAD: hm.. strange
[06:57] <TestMAD> see..i need someone to walk me thru that
[06:57] <mats> TestMAD: are you sure you got all the modules in the new kernel you compiled?
[06:57] <TestMAD> the kernel and the headers
[06:57] <TestMAD> thats all it d/led
[06:58] <TestMAD> see..sometimes lately ive wished for a install from source kubuntu
[06:58] <yoz> anyone an idea where to start checking..
[06:58] <ermac`> how do i install java? it's needed for LimeWire
[06:59] <mats> ermac`: apt-get install java-dev or apt-catch search java
[06:59] <mats> yoz: are your sure you got all the right module?
[06:59] <mats> TestMAD: ;) 
[07:00] <ermac`> mats java-dev not found
[07:00] <ermac`> and apt-catch doesn't work
[07:00] <TestMAD> or even a netinstall
[07:00] <TestMAD> where you can select your arch type
[07:00] <stibby> has anyone here been successful at installing a milk theme for KDE?
[07:00] <ermac`> milk theme?
[07:01] <ermac`> never seen
[07:01] <stibby> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=8551
[07:01] <stibby> the window part of it won't install
[07:01] <stibby> maybe because its for kde 3.1.x
[07:02] <mats> ermac`: www.google.com/linux search for install java or something
[07:02] <mats> im sure it is in the apt-tree.. but not sure what the packages-name are 
[07:06] <yoz> mats: dunno.. I didn't do nothing since I thought it's detected fine on install.. since 'iwlist eth1 scan' shows my ap's quite fine.
[07:07] <othernoob> mats: apt-catch???
[07:07] <othernoob> mats: were you maybe thinking of apt-cache? ;)
[07:09] <stibby> where is the keramik theme kept?
[07:10] <hussam> I heard KDE 3.4.2 is to be released by then end of this month
[07:11] <buz> hussam: did you try that firefox qt stuff?
[07:11] <supernix> anyone know of a good program to rename lots of files in a folder ?
[07:11] <hussam> buz: oops I forget
[07:12] <hussam> I'll download the deerpark alpha2 source and try now
[07:12] <othernoob> supernix: the rename command
[07:12] <supernix> uh ok
[07:13] <othernoob> supernix: type man rename in a konsole ;)
[07:14] <hussam> buz: i'm downlaoding source now. I'll tell you when it's done.
[07:15] <buz> will take time i suppose
[07:16] <stibby> has the kde theme system changed since 3.1?
[07:17] <hussam> buz: downlaod will take over hour. I have a bit of a jammed conenction. but compile takes like an hour and a half.
[07:17] <hussam> buz: I've compiled firefox plenty of times before.
[07:17] <buz> mhh ok
[07:18] <mikl> stibby: a lot :)
[07:18] <stibby> :sigh: i'll have to do a lot of hacking then
[07:19] <mikl> stibby: how so?
[07:20] <stibby> the theme i want is only available for 3.1. i had to install it with a shell script. the window decorations don't work.
[07:20] <stibby> but the style does
[07:22] <stibby> another question: is there an easy way to set the gtk theme?
[07:23] <stibby> do i just make a "gtk" folder in the theme folder and a file like there is in the default folder?
[07:23] <stibby> ug...i can't find the documentation
[07:24] <hussam> if I want to change my monitor, how do I reconfigure xorg.conf ? is it done automatically. my current monitor is detected and setup corectly but I might get a new one.
[07:24] <ermac`> wtf
[07:24] <tigree> how to active my nvidia card please ,,?
[07:24] <ermac`> joris@KuBuNtU:~$ limewire
[07:24] <ermac`> Starting LimeWire...
[07:24] <ermac`> Java exec not found in PATH, starting auto-search...
[07:24] <ermac`> ls: /usr/java: Onbekend bestand of map
[07:24] <ermac`> OOPS, unable to locate java exec in  /usr/java/  hierarchy
[07:24] <ermac`> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://www.java.com
[07:24] <ermac`> see
[07:24] <ermac`> i just installad java
[07:24] <ermac`> latest version
[07:24] <ermac`> and it still gives the JRE error
[07:24] <ermac`> and i installed it
[07:24] <ermac`> jre1.5.0_04 << that's the version i installed
[07:25] <hussam> ermac: what error?
[07:25] <ermac`> this error:
[07:25] <ermac`> joris@KuBuNtU:~$ limewire
[07:25] <ermac`> Starting LimeWire...
[07:25] <ermac`> Java exec not found in PATH, starting auto-search...
[07:25] <ermac`> ls: /usr/java: Onbekend bestand of map
[07:25] <ermac`> OOPS, unable to locate java exec in  /usr/java/  hierarchy
[07:25] <ermac`> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://www.java.com
[07:26] <seth_k> ermac`: run java -version
[07:26] <hussam> in what program are you getting this error. maybe this program has a certain version like 1.4.1 hardcoded so it won't accept anything else
[07:26] <ermac`> joris@KuBuNtU:~$ run java -version
[07:26] <ermac`> bash: run: command not found
[07:26] <ermac`> joris@KuBuNtU:~$  java -version
[07:26] <ermac`> bash: java: command not found
[07:26] <ermac`> joris@KuBuNtU:~$ java -version
[07:26] <ermac`> bash: java: command not found
[07:27] <seth_k> ermac`: no "run" :P
[07:27] <ermac`> i know
[07:27] <ermac`> i tried java -version also
[07:27] <ermac`> command not found
[07:27] <seth_k> ah i see, right
[07:27] <seth_k> how did you install java?
[07:27] <ermac`> with the .bin file from www.java.com
[07:27] <hussam> ermac: maybe you should make a symlink into /bin/
[07:28] <ermac`> how?
[07:28] <seth_k> ermac`: there's your problem, and that's a rather big one
[07:28] <seth_k> you cannot use the .bin file with Ubuntu
[07:28] <seth_k> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[07:28] <ermac`> ? it installed and it finished without an error?
[07:28] <seth_k> but it won't work
[07:28] <ermac`> oh ok
[07:28] <ermac`> how do i uninstall it first?
[07:28] <ermac`> or don't i need to,
[07:28] <ermac`> ?
[07:28] <seth_k> you cannot
[07:28] <seth_k> use method #2 on that page I linked
[07:28] <seth_k> and it will overwrite the .bin version
[07:29] <hussam> seth_k: you can I've done it but you will have to create a symlink for "java" 
[07:29] <seth_k> hussam: but then files get installed to /etc/, stuff like that, and it fubars your system
[07:29] <seth_k> hussam: like a time bomb :P
[07:29] <ermac`> hmmz seth_k
[07:30] <ermac`> java-package is already the latest version installed
[07:30] <ermac`> wath now?
[07:30] <seth_k> ermac`: that is simply the files you need to build java
[07:30] <seth_k> just keep following the instructions
[07:31] <hussam> seth_k: no only into /usr/
[07:35] <ermac`> huh
[07:35] <ermac`> i cant find the jdk
[07:36] <ermac`> on the java.sun.com
[07:44] <ermac`> where can i start bittorrent?
[07:46] <buz> apt-get install bittorrent
[07:46] <ermac`> i did that
[07:46] <buz> apt-get install btdownload-gui
[07:46] <buz> btdownloadgui
[07:47] <ermac`> package could not be found
[07:51] <chris12349> hey has anyone installed beagle? I'm curious to see how stable it is on hoary 
[07:53] <leafw> Hi. Does anyone know of a linux app to show PDFs at full screen? Can't be acreoread because it's not for powerpc
[07:54] <stibby> konqueror has a built in pdf viewer
[07:54] <stibby> also try kpdf
[07:55] <leafw> ok
[07:55] <leafw> thanks
[07:58] <mikl> ah, Qt4 takes forever to compile...
[07:59] <mikl> stibby: the built-in pdf-viewer _is_ kpdf :)
[08:00] <leafw> it is indeed, and it has a "presentation mode"
[08:00] <leafw> although quite in the wrong menu
[08:01] <leafw> oops no, in the right menu: view
[08:01] <leafw> that was another viewer ...
[08:02] <jomdom> hey guys, how can I get my font sizes to persist across all my user accounts?
[08:02] <jomdom> for example, when I go into "administrator mode" in a settings window, everything gets back to the default giant font
[08:03] <emerson> anyone know a good task manager for KDE ?
[08:03] <seth_k> ermac` , you just need the jre, not the jdk
[08:03] <seth_k> emerson: CTRL + Esc ?
[08:04] <emerson> seth_k: ROFL
[08:05] <emerson> seth_k: cheers dude...
[08:05] <redondo> \exit
[08:12] <redondo> \quit
[08:14] <tonyo> does anyone run kubuntu on a toshiba laptop?
[08:18] <TestMAD> seth_k: you got some time to help me upgrade the kernel after a fresh install..the right way?
[08:19] <seth_k> install kernel, install restricted modules... done
[08:19] <TestMAD> what restricted modules?
[08:20] <seth_k> whatever matches your kernel
[08:20] <TestMAD> if you would pls pm the names of the stuff i should install..and in what order..im on xp right now
[08:21] <TestMAD> lookin for my kubuntu cd
[08:23] <TestMAD> is there a way for me to browse the repos from xp?
[08:30] <other|study> on a website..sure..
[08:31] <seth_k> TestMAD: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[08:34] <Pro_Newbie> Can someone help me with little Kopete problem
[08:34] <TestMAD> seth_k" could the problem i was having be cus i was installing an image and not a complete kernel?
[08:37] <mats> TestMAD: you need all the modules-loaded in the kernel. The best way and the only way is to compil the kernel. 
[08:37] <mats> TestMAD: try downloading a kernel from kernel.org
[08:37] <seth_k> oy! why in the world would you do that. NOT smart
[08:37] <seth_k> if you really want to compile, there are ubuntuized kernel source packages in synaptic
[08:38] <Pro_Newbie> Need little KOpete Assistance
[08:38] <TestMAD> yea mats..dont get me all messed up
[08:38] <other|study> what's not smart about compiling the kernel seth_k ?
[08:38] <mats> seth_k: why not?
[08:39] <TestMAD> ok..so is anyon here willing to walk me thru everything..and explain..?
[08:39] <uniq> you miss alot of extra drivers and patches if you compile from kernel.org sources.
[08:39] <uniq> and you don't want that.
[08:39] <seth_k> no, the not smart is about compiling from kernel.org
[08:40] <seth_k> instead of from ubuntu-specific kernel sources from ubuntu
[08:40] <seth_k> what uniq said
[08:40] <mats> okok
[08:40] <seth_k> plus you don't have to compile a kernel anyways
[08:40] <seth_k> the defaults almost always work just fine
[08:41] <seth_k> unless you have special needs
[08:41] <other|study> like?
[08:41] <TestMAD> ok..gonna install kubuntu..fresh from the cd..brb.
[08:43] <Riddell> Pro_Newbie: tell us what the problem is and we may be able to help
[08:43] <Riddell> uniq: it's a useful experience to go through.  I havn't done it in a couple of years though :)
[08:44] <uniq> riddell: i did it a few days ago.. i'm a little interessted in kernel stuff.. :)
[08:45] <Pro_Newbie> Riddell:  quite simple actually.... i need to enable cyrilic support in Kopete but i dont know what is the layout in all that CPs and ISOs
[08:46] <Riddell> Pro_Newbie: what do you mean by CPs and ISOs?
[08:46] <Riddell> Pro_Newbie: 
[08:47] <Riddell> Pro_Newbie: changing keyboard layout is done in the Control Centre
[08:47] <Riddell> Kopete should use utf-8 by default
[08:48] <Pro_Newbie> Riddell: i need to see cyrilic characters
[08:49] <Pro_Newbie> its displayed something like  
[08:50] <Riddell> Pro_Newbie: which protocol?
[08:50] <mats> anyone tryed Cedega?
[08:50] <mats> :p
[08:51] <Pro_Newbie> Riddell:  what you mean by which protocol
[08:51] <Pro_Newbie> ?
[08:51] <uniq> pro_newbie: msn, icq?
[08:51] <Pro_Newbie> mats: yea sure, why u ask??
[08:51] <uniq> etc.
[08:51] <Pro_Newbie> Pro_Newbie: IRC and ICQ
[08:51] <Pro_Newbie> oh mistake in ICQ is this:   and in IRC is only ??????????????????
[08:52] <mats> Pro_Newbie: im wondering if its a stable product.. or if its a pease of crap :p
[08:53] <Pro_Newbie> Pro_Newbie:  is quite nice just not very good realisation at multi langlagy support
[08:53] <Pro_Newbie> langlage*
[08:53] <hussam_> Riddell: if kde 3.4.2 fixes this bug https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12096, would you guys make kde 3.4.2 packages for haory like in kde 3.4.1? 
[08:54] <mats> Pro_Newbie: okei, i can live with that ;)
[08:54] <Riddell> Pro_Newbie: can you see my private message?
[08:55] <mats> Pro_Newbie: what kind of games did you try?
[08:56] <tonyo> really noone has a toshiba? :(
[08:56] <uniq> tonyo: i think riddell has toshiba? iirc.
[08:56] <Pro_Newbie> mats: some of the latest 
[08:56] <Pro_Newbie> and so latest :)
[08:56] <uniq> mats: i used cedega to play counter strike like 2 years ago. :)
[08:57] <tonyo> ty uniq 
[08:57] <mats> uniq: iv never tryed it.. didnt want to use diskspace if its not worth it :p
[08:57] <Riddellll> pro_newbie: type some cyrilic please
[08:58] <mats> uniq: dont you play cs anymore? :p
[08:58] <Pro_Newbie> ???-??? ??????? 
[08:58] <Pro_Newbie> ? ?.?.
[08:58] <Riddellll> hussam: certainly would
[08:58] <Pro_Newbie> I sometims receive and sometime not 
[08:58] <tonyo> Riddell, do you have a toshiba?
[08:58] <Riddellll> tonyo: nope, thinkpad
[08:58] <uniq> mats: no, just kmahjongg.
[08:58] <tonyo> oh :(
[08:59] <uniq> tonyo: sorry.. my bad.. didn't recall correctly :|
[08:59] <mats> uniq: :)
[08:59] <tonyo> no pb...
[08:59] <uniq> tonyo: any problem we might help you with without a toshiba? 
[08:59] <tonyo> well, im trying to run the livecd on it
[08:59] <hussam> Riddellll: thank you very much especially since I've been having this crash on each logoff lately.
[09:00] <tonyo> but it seems to have problems with the hardware
[09:01] <tonyo> i tried some parameters given in the help thing, but it still doesnt work
[09:01] <mats> where do i find my cvs-tree ?
[09:01] <uniq> mats: cvs tree of what? 
[09:02] <mats> uniq: its when im trying to get cedega. sh cvschroot -d <path to your tree> :
[09:02] <\Grooby\> moooooooo
[09:03] <uniq> mats: you probably need a cvs-tree to do that.. i guess.
[09:05] <mats> ok
[09:14] <testmad> k..back
[09:14] <\Grooby\> welcome back
[09:15] <testmad> ok..to get kubuntu using the k7 kernel..i first need to change my sources.list.
[09:15] <testmad> do i need to add anything to it?] 
[09:16] <ubuntu> heheh, oops, didn't set my nick
[09:16] <\Grooby\> porn.ubuntu.xxx
[09:16] <testmad> seriously
[09:16] <\Grooby\> nope
[09:17] <\Grooby\> :)
[09:17] <testmad> no..i meant be serious
[09:17] <\Grooby\> cause i have no idea what you are talking about
[09:17] <testmad> well..if any of the "guru's" would feel like helping me out..
[09:19] <testmad> guess not
[09:19] <testmad> hehe
[09:20] <buz> mhh the k7 kernel should be in there
[09:20] <testmad> ???
[09:20] <buz> in the standard repo i mean
[09:20] <koll2786> hello I need some help
[09:21] <testmad> well..let me change my sources.list first..gotta take out the us.
[09:21] <uniq> testmad: install the package named linux-image-k7
[09:21] <koll2786> I'm trying to update kde to 3,4,1 and I'm a powerpc kubuntu 5.0.4 user
[09:22] <uniq> koll2786: and it didn't work?
[09:23] <koll2786> No i just a noob I switched from mac os x and i'm a windows user :(
[09:23] <testmad> i just want the image..not the complete kernel??
[09:23] <koll2786> i have no idea how to use apt-get
[09:24] <koll2786> i did update my source list with those debian mirrors for kde 3.4.1 
[09:27] <testmad> ...
[09:30] <testmad> uniq: i just want the image and not the complete kernel?
[09:34] <uniq> testmad: the image is the complete kernel, except some restricted modules. they are in linux-restricted-modules-k7
[09:34] <testmad> so i need to install both of those?
[09:35] <teprrr> mmh, can I somehow install kubuntu from cd over debian?
[09:35] <uniq> you don't need to, if you use any of the modules in the restricted modules package you want both. if not you don't need the restricted modules. If you want to be on the safe side, install both.
[09:35] <testmad> ok
[09:35] <testmad> ill do both
[09:35] <teprrr> without losing settings, home dirs and such?
[09:36] <uniq> that should be possible, yes.
[09:36] <koll2786> what commands should i use to update 3.4.0 to 3.4.1 uniq?
[09:37] <uniq> koll2786: did you edit your sources.list file? 
[09:37] <koll2786> yes i added those links
[09:37] <koll2786> on the kde 3.4
[09:37] <koll2786> .1 website
[09:38] <uniq> "apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade"
[09:38] <uniq> should do it then.
[09:38] <koll2786> k thanx
[09:38] <koll2786> also anyway to get firefox on kubuntu for ppc
[09:38] <uniq> with a 'sudo' infront of both. like: 'sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade'
[09:38] <koll2786> im in root
[09:38] <uniq> koll2786: yes, 'apt-get install mozilla-firefox'
[09:38] <koll2786> logged in root right now
[09:38] <uniq> koll2786: ok, then it's not a problem.
[09:38] <koll2786> kk thanks
[09:39] <teprrr> uniq, hmm. so, will it work? how about the packages I've already installed?
[09:39] <uniq> teprrr: the ones you can update will be updated from the cd.
[09:40] <testmad> what lines do i need to add to sources for kde 341?
[09:40] <teprrr> uniq, well, atm I've kind of broken system as I tried to upgrade my debian directly to ubuntu with apt
[09:40] <uniq> teprrr: if there are problems you might need to install some pacakges from the internet.
[09:40] <teprrr> atm I can't downgrade libc6 so I can't install ubuntu packages correctly :P
[09:40] <uniq> teprrr: ok, what didn't work? which debian version? sarge? 
[09:40] <uniq> why can't you downgrade libc6? 
[09:40] <teprrr> sid, libc6 is wrong
[09:41] <testmad> brb..reboot
[09:41] <teprrr> uniq, well, umh, I can't find the package nor don't know how to do it automatically with apt
[09:41] <teprrr> tried to locate it frm archive.ubuntu.com without success
[09:41] <teprrr> its not in libc dir
[09:42] <uniq> did you use apt-pinning when trying to change to hoary?
[09:42] <teprrr> nope, just copied hoary lines into my source.list and commented debian ones out
[09:43] <teprrr> or hmm..
[09:43] <teprrr> 2.3.5-1ubuntu7 is what I've installed (breezy one?)
[09:43] <teprrr> 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 and this is what's in hoary
[09:43] <teprrr> and which I should have I think
[09:44] <testmad> uniq: how do i update to kde3.4.1?
[09:45] <uniq> testmad: did you edit sources.list ? 
[09:45] <testmad> nope
[09:45] <uniq> ?? sources.list
[09:45] <kinfo> [sources.list]  example /etc/apt/sources.list with all official repositories plus KDE 3.4.1 and Koffice 1.4 from kubuntu.org can be found at: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/303802
[09:45] <testmad> ok..im in console
[09:45] <testmad> no desktop yet..still gotta do the nvidia drivers
[09:46] <testmad> owell..ill links it
[09:46] <uniq> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[09:46] <testmad> i know for those..i was gonna try getting the 7667 drivers to work today
[09:47] <uniq> and edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf find : Driver "nv" - change it to Driver "nvidia", save and restart kdm with: invoke-rc.d kdm resart
[09:47] <uniq> then you have nvidia driver.
[09:48] <uniq> have to go, sorry..
[09:48] <uniq> bbl.
[09:50] <testmad> ok..sources changed.
[09:50] <testmad> aww.
[09:55] <testmad> seth_k: can you tell me how to finish installin kde341?
[09:57] <Riggzy> Hey,. I'm just trying to figure out how to partitioon my 63Gigs of spare space for installing ubuntu... My partitions are  [ Windows ]        [ Ubuntu ]  [ Swap (1GB) ]  [ Shared ] 
[09:57] <Riggzy> how big should the install partition be, of the remaining 63gb?
[09:59] <teprrr> testmad, what's the problem?=
[10:00] <Riggzy> any reccomendations?
[10:01] <teprrr> hmm, btw, which fs does kubuntu use as default?
[10:01] <testmad> etc3
[10:02] <testmad> what do i do to update my kde after i change the sources.list?
[10:03] <teprrr> apt-get upgrade?
[10:03] <testmad> thats it?
[10:03] <worzel> Riggzy - 4GB for root, rest for home, possibly a partition for var
[10:03] <testmad> ok
[10:04] <testmad> lets try it
[10:04] <Riggzy> worzel - how should i partiton it? on the ubuntu wiki it says to use the 4 partition system as I said
[10:04] <Riggzy> Win / boot / swap / share
[10:06] <Riggzy> could /home be mounted to the shared?
[10:07] <Riggzy> so all my home could be visible on windows?
[10:07] <mihai_> does anybody know the java package name needed to run azureus ?
[10:07] <Riggzy> mihai - it says on their site I believe
[10:08] <mihai_> i mean the apt-get install package
[10:09] <worzel> linux can read windows files, not sure about other way round
[10:09] <mihai_> thre's an ext3 plugin for total commander, you can read linux files with it, works with ext2 too
[10:10] <Riggzy> worzel - if I have a shared partition thats FAT32...
[10:10] <Riggzy> could i have that as my /home?
[10:11] <worzel> ext file systems are journalled, not sure what problems might happen if windows writes to them 
[10:11] <\Grooby\> java package might be sun-jre-bin
[10:11] <\Grooby\> do a apt-cache search sun-jre
[10:12] <\Grooby\> or you can do sun-jdk if you want the developer kit
[10:12] <Riggzy> heres what I was thinking-  [ Windows install ]       [ linux ext3, mounted to / ]      [ linux swap (1g)
[10:12] <Riggzy> and then the reast as a FAT32 partitioopn that can be read and written by both SOes
[10:12] <Riggzy> OSes*   sorry for the typoes
[10:13] <\Grooby\> you only have 1 pc?
[10:13] <Riggzy> I have two, but the otehr is a family PC
[10:13] <\Grooby\> i c
[10:13] <Riggzy> would that partition system work though?
[10:14] <\Grooby\> ehh...*should*
[10:14] <\Grooby\> :)
[10:14] <Riggzy> heh
[10:14] <Riggzy> I'm just following the wiki
[10:14] <\Grooby\> p1 = fat32 and mount as /home?
[10:14] <\Grooby\> p2 = swap
[10:14] <\Grooby\> p3 = ext3 mount as /
[10:14] <\Grooby\> ??
[10:14] <Riggzy> yep
[10:14] <Riggzy> but with the windows at the begining lol
[10:15] <\Grooby\> welp..youor /home would be ummmm...messy...hehehe
[10:15] <Riggzy> lol
[10:15] <Riggzy> I could leave my /home just as a directory of the linux partition
[10:15] <Riggzy> and copy over files accordinglu
[10:15] <Riggzy> accordingly*
[10:15] <_StarScream> hi guys, having some problems with X in breezy. I've apt-get updated and upgraded. I get the following errors
[10:15] <\Grooby\> you could create a fat32 part mounted as /share
[10:16] <buz> does anybody know any good command line converter from html to pdf???
[10:16] <\Grooby\> that window read as another drive
[10:16] <_StarScream> failed to load module "ati"   i'm on a g3 ibook 800
[10:16] <_StarScream> failed to load module "kbd"
[10:16] <_StarScream> failed to load module "mouse"
[10:16] <teprrr> _StarScream, #ubuntu's topic says x is broken in breezy because of something
[10:17] <Riggzy> from the wiki: "Right after the Windows partition, make a Linux partition to hold Ubuntu. Then make a smaller partition for the linux swap file. Then make a third partition for sharing information between Linux and XP." thats what I'm planning to do
[10:17] <_StarScream> teprrr: ah..right...cool
[10:17] <\Grooby\> riggzy, that would work better
[10:17] <Riggzy> alrighty rofl
[10:18] <\Grooby\> of course you could install linux on fat32 (i think)
[10:18] <\Grooby\> and just let it be
[10:18] <\Grooby\> 1 big partition
[10:18] <teprrr> _StarScream, don't know for sure if it's still broken or is topic old.. but I'm upgrading to breezy so we'll see :)
[10:18] <Riggzy> lol, I'm just wondering how big the partitions should be
[10:18] <Riggzy> I have 63gb to play around with
[10:18] <teprrr> /dev/hda1             175G  158G  7.7G  96% /
[10:18] <teprrr> that's what I have ;)
[10:18] <_StarScream> teprrr: ok, so in irssi how do i view  a topic ?
[10:18] <mihai_> anybody know what's the fastest way to get the java needed for azureus in debian ?
[10:19] <teprrr> _StarScream, /topic
[10:19] <testmad> whats the nvidia config enable command?
[10:19] <_StarScream> thanks
[10:19] <teprrr> _StarScream, /t is default alias for it I think
[10:19] <Riggzy> about 10g for linux, 1g for swap (same as my RAM), and the rest for share?
[10:19] <\Grooby\> '/dev/big-mama/big-mama 
[10:19] <\Grooby\>                      1172017152 123662720 1048354432  11% /share
[10:20] <teprrr> df -h is nice... ;)
[10:20] <\Grooby\> never hurts
[10:20] <\Grooby\> hehehehe
[10:20] <\Grooby\> bleeding edge kernel1
[10:21] <Riggzy> I was thinkin of getting an iBook at the end of the year, as a general laptop
[10:21] <testmad> well?
[10:22] <edvardas> hello people
[10:22] <_StarScream> Riggzy: do you intend to use linux on it, if so can you live with out flash and java 1.5 
[10:22] <testmad> the nvidia config enable command?
[10:22] <_StarScream> Riggzy: oh and without  3d accel
[10:22] <Riggzy> _StarScream - lol no, it'd be my first amc so I'd like to keep OS X on it
[10:22] <Riggzy> mac*
[10:22] <_StarScream> Riggzy: that lasted 2 weeks for me :)
[10:22] <Riggzy> :P
[10:23] <_StarScream> i prefer my breezy's broken X, and it not sleeping to OSX...i thought i'd like it because it was "UNIX" but with support, programs etc..
[10:24] <Riggzy> ARRG
[10:24] <Riggzy> lol I just set up all my partitions and then remembered I'm using an eval version of partition magic
[10:24] <_StarScream> Riggzy: what is your other partition?
[10:25] <Riggzy> Windows
[10:25] <Riggzy> the one I'm on now
[10:25] <_StarScream> Riggzy: does qtparted work with windows?
[10:25] <Riggzy> I dunno... I have some sort of "All In One Boot CD" that I used to partition the harddrive for fedora core
[10:25] <Riggzy> I'll use that
[10:25] <Riggzy> darn comamnd line
[10:26] <ray_> testmad: how old are you?
[10:26] <_StarScream>  Riggzy just format the thing :)
[10:27] <Riggzy> _StarScream, I recently had a harddrive failure and lost all my things weather i wanted to or not, I;ve just got abck on my feet, I dont wanna do that again
[10:27] <ray_> are there any linux boot disks that simply let you fdisk?
[10:27] <_StarScream> ray_: erm...slackware install disk does..
[10:27] <_StarScream> ray_: type fdisk instead of setup
[10:28] <ray_> _StarScream: nice i think i have a slack disk around here somewhere.....
[10:28] <Riggzy> anyone know of any free (hopefully graphical) windows partition software...? lol
[10:28] <ray_> Riggzy: goto bootdisk.com
[10:29] <Riggzy> I have sad sad memories of going to that site when my computer buggered up lol
[10:29] <ray_> its cuz your using winblows
[10:29] <Riggzy> yep
[10:29] <ray_> why no good ole kubuntu?
[10:29] <Riggzy> thats why linux apepals to me lol
[10:30] <ray_> ive never had a computer crash using linux
[10:30] <Riggzy> ray, i jsut spent a week of my life not doing anything that uses bandwidth so I could get the kubuntu DVD rofl
[10:30] <ray_> oh
[10:30] <Riggzy> I had a play with the livecd version a second ago
[10:30] <Riggzy> worked great with all my base hardware like networking
[10:31] <ray_> yup the only thing i had to setup on my computer was 3d acceleration and that was cake
[10:31] <Riggzy> i was using FC3 but yeesh
[10:32] <Riggzy> I couldnt edit my darn fstab
[10:32] <ray_> u couldn't edit fstab!?
[10:32] <Riggzy> nope
[10:32] <Riggzy> fstab-sync
[10:32] <ray_> wow
[10:32] <Riggzy> changes everything after reboot
[10:32] <ray_> i like deb based distro's way better
[10:33] <Riggzy> anyway... 
[10:33] <Riggzy> i better find that boot cd
[10:33] <Riggzy> so I can get partitionin'
[10:33] <ray_> so u finally got the kubuntu cd downloaded
[10:33] <Riggzy> yeah
[10:33] <testmad> wow..this is nice
[10:33] <Riggzy> as i said, tried the live CD
[10:33] <testmad> takes longer to boot tho
[10:34] <Riggzy> so now tis time to partition and install
[10:34] <ray_> u can partition your drive right through the kubuntu install
[10:34] <Riggzy> non-destructively?
[10:34] <testmad> yes u can
[10:34] <testmad> and no
[10:34] <Riggzy> I mean, without formatting the harddrive?
[10:34] <ray_> oic
[10:34] <Riggzy> ie, jsut adding partitions in the unallocated space I have
[10:34] <testmad> you can do that
[10:34] <ray_> cant u repartition right in windows?
[10:35] <testmad> just add to unpartitioned space
[10:35] <Riggzy> wth what?
[10:35] <ray_> YES U CAN
[10:35] <Riggzy> with*
[10:35] <ray_> it gives you the option
[10:35] <ray_> during install
[10:35] <testmad> manual edit partition table
[10:35] <Riggzy> ok ok
[10:35] <Riggzy> but if my windows goes boom I wont be a happy bunny ;-)
[10:35] <ray_> it says erase entire disk or use free space
[10:35] <Riggzy> well, I will, but, meh
[10:35] <ray_> ive never tried it
[10:35] <ray_> so
[10:36] <ray_> it might not work how u want it to
[10:36] <Riggzy> ray, at the moment... I have a windows partition, and 63gb of unallocated space
[10:36] <ray_> what is on your windows partition that u want?
[10:36] <Riggzy> erm, everything?
[10:36] <ray_> ahhh u want to duel boot
[10:36] <Riggzy> yes, heh
[10:37] <ray_> if you use that unallocated space it wont touch your windows partition
[10:37] <Riggzy> "duel boot" - a boot loader that makes the two OSes battle and the one that wins boots
[10:37] <ray_> NOOOOOO
[10:37] <Riggzy> lol
[10:37] <Riggzy> that would make an awesome video
[10:37] <Riggzy> XP vs Kubuntu
[10:37] <ray_> you have a menu and pick which os you want to use
[10:37] <Riggzy> yeah
[10:38] <Riggzy> I know
[10:38] <Riggzy> I've dualbooted FC and XP
[10:38] <ray_> FC sucks though
[10:38] <Riggzy> yep
[10:38] <Riggzy> rofl
[10:38] <Riggzy> ok I'll try and install this thing then
[10:38] <ray_> ive done duel boots with ubuntu and it was flawless
[10:38] <buz> muahaha duel boot
[10:39] <buz> however, if i have to install xp, i wont enjoy it ;)
[10:40] <ray_> does anybody have a way of making shockwave work?
[10:41] <ray_> ubotu: hello
[10:41] <ubotu> hey
[10:41] <ray_> ubotu: are you a bot?
[10:41] <ubotu> ray_: I don't know, could you explain it?
[10:41] <ray_> ubotu: my sound does not work?
[10:41] <ubotu> ray_: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[10:41] <ray_> ubotu: my sound does not work
[10:41] <ubotu> ray_: I haven't a clue
[10:41] <teprrr> ubotu, how are you?
[10:41] <ubotu> teprrr: eh, ok
[10:42] <teprrr> ubotu, just ok?
[10:42] <ubotu> teprrr: I don't know, could you explain it?
[10:42] <ray_> ubotu: i like ubuntu
[10:42] <ubotu> ray_: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[10:42] <teprrr> :P
[10:42] <ray_> bots
[10:42] <teprrr> people tend to love play with talking bots...
[10:42] <ray_> i had to try
[10:44] <lokito> can any one tell me a good app to download mp3 under kubuntu
[10:44] <teprrr> wget?
[10:45] <teprrr> ;)
[10:45] <lokito> wget?
[10:45] <teprrr> well, kget if you prefer gui
[10:45] <lokito> lol
[10:45] <lokito> sorry
[10:45] <lokito> teprrr something like 
[10:45] <lokito> ares
[10:45] <ray_> lokito: limewire
[10:45] <lokito> nice 
[10:45] <lokito> yes
[10:45] <lokito> amule 
[10:45] <teprrr> valknut? azureus?
[10:45] <ray_> lokito: or gtk-gnutella
[10:46] <teprrr> ktorrent? ;)
[10:46] <ray_> Limewire
[10:46] <lokito> wich is the best
[10:46] <lokito> i know some for mp3 other for videos
[10:46] <lokito> i try to install amule but no luck
[10:46] <ray_> def limewire....... u need java 
[10:47] <ray_> ive gotten tons of movies and mp3's using lime
[10:48] <lokito> ok
[10:49] <testmad> where can i go to find really awesome linux games
[10:49] <testmad> free ones
[10:49] <nikkia> hmmm, my gimp is broken :(
[10:49] <ray_> linux games tome
[10:49] <ray_> testmad get americas army
[10:49] <ray_> and cube
[10:49] <nikkia> and ET
[10:49] <ray_> what is ET?
[10:50] <nikkia> Return to castle wolfenstein: enemy territory
[10:50] <ray_> thats not free though
[10:50] <nikkia> its a mod for RTCW, that's completely free
[10:50] <testmad> i saw this one game that like super monkey ball
[10:50] <nikkia> ray, yes, it is
[10:50] <ray_> really
[10:50] <testmad> it was on a site that seth_k told me about
[10:50] <ray_> how can i get it
[10:50] <nikkia> ray, erm, hold on
[10:51] <ray_> thanks
[10:51] <seth_k> nikkia, grab jdodson's list off the forums
[10:51] <seth_k> it has everything
[10:51] <supernix> hey anyone happen to know why I can't find krename in my packages ?
[10:52] <testmad> seth_k: what we're those linux game sites you told me about?
[10:52] <nikkia> seth ?
[10:52] <teprrr> hey, anyone happen to know when breezy will be usable again?
[10:52] <nikkia> ray: http://enemy-territory.4players.de:1041/modules.php?name=files
[10:52] <seth_k> supernix: krename is only in breezy. I backported it to hoary and you can find it on the forums
[10:52] <nikkia> the linux game files are on there
[10:52] <seth_k> supernix: http://sethkinast.com/ubuntu/hoary/backports/
[10:52] <supernix> ok kewl ty
[10:52] <ray_> thanks 
[10:54] <ray_> nikkia: what version should i get?
[10:54] <nikkia> ray, 2.60 at a guess
[10:55] <seth_k> indeed, 2.60
[10:55] <seth_k> nikkia, ray_, here's what I was referring to. A huge list of Linux games: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5153
[10:56] <seth_k> !learn games http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5153
[10:56] <ubotu> seth_k: I haven't a clue
[10:56] <kinfo> Inprinted games (memory injection successful)
[10:56] <teprrr> !info X
[10:56] <nikkia> seth, my being puzzled, was because it wasn't me that asked :)
[10:56] <teprrr> !info x-window-system-core
[10:56] <ubotu> x-window-system-core: (X Window System core components), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2-10 (hoary), Packaged size: 162 kB, Installed size: 264 kB
[10:56] <seth_k> nikkia: i just figured you were looking for the link, and was telling you which to use to tell ray
[10:58] <seth_k> ubotu games is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5153
[10:58] <ubotu> seth_k: okay
[11:03] <Riggzy_Linux> Just like that
[11:03] <Riggzy_Linux> that was a pretty smooth install
[11:04] <Riggzy_Linux> one Q
[11:04] <Riggzy_Linux> whats the default root password? lol
[11:04] <Riggzy_Linux> cos it didn't ask for one
[11:04] <nikkia> Riggzy_Linux: it should have told you, there isn't a root password, it uses sudo
[11:05] <Riggzy_Linux> ah ok
[11:05] <_P_> hi all 
[11:05] <supernix> hi guys anyone happen to know why Kbear keeps crashing every single time I try to upload to a site ?
[11:05] <nikkia> ie, when you use sudo, it uses your user password
[11:05] <Riggzy_Linux> isnt that kinda unsecure?
[11:05] <Riggzy_Linux> oh ok
[11:05] <_P_> i cant write accent  vocal on breezy 
[11:05] <nikkia> supernix: because kbear is very unstable
[11:05] <_P_> i switch to kbd 
[11:05] <supernix> crap well ty nikkia 
[11:05] <supernix> what should I use for FTP then on KDE ?
[11:05] <_P_> is there   a workaround ?
[11:05] <nikkia> Riggzy_Linux: no less secure than asking for a password for root, more secure in fact, as sudo can be configured to let users only run certain apps as root
[11:06] <Riggzy_Linux> nikka - alight, cheers :)
[11:06] <Riggzy_Linux> alright* even
[11:06] <nikkia> supernix: i use ncftp3 :/
[11:06] <supernix> aint that command line only nikkia  ?
[11:06] <nikkia> supernix: its a shame, cos kbear is a great idea/look/concept
[11:06] <nikkia> supernix: yeah
[11:06] <seth_k> I just use the kioslaves
[11:07] <seth_k> kbear is overkill for me
[11:07] <supernix> ah crud well what do they have that has a GUI ?
[11:07] <Riggzy_Linux> Now to get ALSA
[11:07] <ray_> Riggzy_Linux: u done the install already
[11:08] <ray_> Riggzy_Linux: i had to get the new alsa version as well
[11:08] <Riggzy_Linux> ray, its there, just not compiled correctly for my sound card I'm guessing (tehres no sound working)
[11:08] <Riggzy_Linux> ack, my first apt-get lol
[11:08] <ray_> Riggzy_Linux: yup i had to the 1.0.9 alsadrivers for my intel sound to work
[11:08] <Riggzy_Linux> wai,t I;ll built it... nevermind ;-)
[11:09] <Riggzy_Linux> darn no firefox
[11:09] <ray_> sudo apt-get install firefox will fix that
[11:10] <ray_> so why do you guys like kubuntu better than ubuntu?
[11:10] <Riggzy_Linux> couldnt find apckage firefox...
[11:10] <ray_> uncomment the universe in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:10] <ray_> oh wait
[11:11] <ray_> its mozilla-firefox
[11:11] <Riggzy_Linux> lol ok
[11:11] <Riggzy_Linux> there we go
[11:11] <ray_> sorry
[11:11] <Riggzy_Linux> ack, it ahs to get about 60 megs of gnome libraries lol
[11:12] <ray_> yeah that sucks
[11:12] <Riggzy_Linux> ah well
[11:12] <ray_> yeah u will prob need them for other stuff as well
[11:12] <Riggzy_Linux> I'll just watch that little bubble transition when you mouseover the K menu for an hour
[11:13] <ray_> man my enemy territory download is only at 20%
[11:13] <testmad> sux..neverball wont compile
[11:13] <Riggzy_Linux> *something snaps in his head*
[11:13] <Riggzy_Linux> enemy territory is a linux game right?
[11:13] <ray_> yeah
[11:13] <Riggzy_Linux> tahts what its called!
[11:13] <Riggzy_Linux> lol
[11:13] <testmad> anyyone tried to compile neverball?
[11:14] <Riggzy_Linux> I said to someone, "Once Wine supports Halo I'm saying byebye to windows", "Oh, try Enemy Territory"
[11:14] <Riggzy_Linux> and I forgot the name isntantly
[11:14] <emerson> what package contains man files for the standard c library ?
[11:15] <testmad> n/m
[11:16] <ray_> wow my icon tooltips stopped working
[11:18] <ray_> man only 25% the 750 meg americas army downloaded faster lol
[11:20] <ray_> so why use kubuntu instead of ubuntu?
[11:20] <epiloc> Everytime I reboot, I have to fetch an ip address fromt my router with "sudo dhclient wlan0"  ...  I want to write a script to automatically do this on startup.  Where would I start?  Keep in mind I am a linux newb :)
[11:20] <ray_> i would just save your session
[11:21] <ray_> then it should load every time
[11:22] <str> pues si?
[11:22] <str> en que estabamos?
[11:22] <str> cual era el  link de la entrevista?
[11:23] <str> (kopete no funciona muy bien como cliente de IRC...
[11:24] <testmad> neverball is sweet
[11:24] <str> cual era el link de la entrevista, otra vez pls?
[11:25] <_frank> str: try #ubuntu-es  for help in spanish
[11:25] <str> LOL---  sorry
[11:26] <str> I thought I was in #kubuntu-es
[11:26] <_frank> ok
[11:27] <kakalto> it doesn't matter, apart from the fact we can't understand :)
[11:28] <Pro_Newbie> How can i run a "root" conqueror? I need to do some copying with root priveleges
[11:28] <ray_> testmad: what is neverball?
[11:29] <str> Pro_Newbie: sudo konqueror... but it is not good idea to run anything (especialy some GUI app) in root
[11:30] <Pro_Newbie> Yea i know 
[11:30] <Pro_Newbie> ive got plenty of expirience dont worry :) 
[11:31] <nikkia> str, i think you mean kdesu konqueror, as it sets up the kde environment properly for the sudo'ed app
[11:31] <seth_k> ray_: it's kind of like marble madness iirc
[11:32] <seth_k> testmad: while compile it when it's in universe? :/
[11:32] <seth_k> s/while/why
[11:32] <ray_> is it in universe.....sweet
[11:33] <ray_> ive found that testmad likes to compile things
[11:34] <ray_> *huh
[11:34] <ray_> how do you make yourself say stuff?
[11:34] <seth_k>  /me
[11:34] <ray_> thanks
[11:34] <seth_k> i have no clue why testmad likes to compile
[11:35] <seth_k> compiling sucks
[11:35] <seth_k> lol
[11:35] <ray_> yes compiling sucks
[11:35] <ray_> brb
[11:39] <testmad> see..i dont like to compile..i just didnt check the repos first
[11:39] <supernix> I just tried to run K3b and it told me there was no cdrdao whatever that is
[11:39] <supernix> does that matter ?
[11:40] <_frank> supernix: yeah just install cdrdao from universe
[11:40] <nikkia> supernix, its not essential for using k3b
[11:40] <nikkia> its useful if you want to write .bin/.cue images tho
[11:41] <supernix> ok ty _frank and nikkia 
[11:41] <seth_k> yeah, or any disc-at-once stuff at all, like copying cds
[11:41] <supernix> nikkia: are you saying that I wont need to install it ?
[11:41] <nikkia> supernix: you don't *need* it, no
[11:41] <nikkia> supernix: its a nice option to have... but its not necessary
[11:41] <supernix> ok ty
[11:42] <nikkia> k3b uses growisofs to write CDs normally
[11:44] <ray_> anybody know why sound won't work for me in enemy territory
[11:45] <ray_> how do i change the root password?
[11:45] <|rockinnerd|> ray_, sudo passwd
[11:45] <ray_> thanks
[11:46] <supernix> I am all confused now
[11:46] <seth_k> EEEEEEEEK
[11:46] <|rockinnerd|> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:46] <supernix> It has a setting for adding Joliet, Rock Ridge and UDF extensions what is all that or does it even matter ?
[11:47] <|rockinnerd|> ray_, use sudo
[11:47] <seth_k> don't use the root password, ray_. Check |rockinnerd|'s link
[11:47] <nikkia> supernix: normally, ISO9660 filesystems on CD and DVD only allow 32 character file names
[11:47] <nikkia> supernix: and have some limitations on characters being used
[11:47] <|rockinnerd|> not good to change root passwd, cause if there is not one, then a potential cracker can't login as root
[11:47] <nikkia> Joliet is MS's approach to the solution, and is how windows machines expect long filenames to appear on CD
[11:47] <supernix> I want it to be ableto play from a PC running windows or a DVD player it will be a picture disk
[11:48] <nikkia> rock ridge also allows extended filenames, but, it also allows you to store unix permissions, and owner details, which is useful if you're archiving files and need the permissions and owner/group to be retained
[11:49] <supernix> kewl would that work on a dvd player ?
[11:49] <nikkia> UDF is the filesystem that was designed for DVD use, it offers a moder modern feature set, with better filenames, and so on, UDF can also be used in a rewritable form (altho its not well supported on linux), CD-RWs, DVD-RW/+RW/-RAM can be formatted as UDF and files can just be written by copying files to the disk, etc
[11:50] <nikkia> moder=more
[11:50] <Riggzy_Linux> whats the apt-get for the kernel source?
[11:51] <nikkia> supernix: generally, for a DVD player, you'd want to use reasonably plain ISO9660 (i wouldn't recomment Joliet or RR as some players can't handle non-ISO filenames), or you could use UDF, although not all versions of windows can use UDF without 3rd party software
[11:51] <seth_k> well, Riggzy_Linux, the package is called linux-source, and you will need to pick the appropriate version
[11:52] <seth_k> so linux-source-2.6.10 or something
[11:52] <Riggzy_Linux> apt-get install linux-source-`uname -r`?
[11:52] <seth_k> not quite, you just need the major version
[11:52] <supernix> ouch this is perplexing
[11:52] <Riggzy_Linux> ok
[11:52] <seth_k> so just 2.6.10, .11, .12
[11:52] <seth_k> although hoary only has .10 in main
[11:53] <seth_k> .11 is in universe
[11:53] <seth_k> and .12 in breezy main
[11:53] <supernix> I am just trying to generate a CD with JPG files that can be played on windows and most DVD players on a CD disk
[11:53] <Riggzy_Linux> 3% of 37mb...
[11:54] <nikkia> supernix: Joliet may be ok in that situation
[11:55] <pax> mkisofs -J -r -v -V data_disk -o data.iso /disk-data
[11:55] <nikkia> supernix: the problem with Joliet, is that some DVD players see filenames similar to how windows long filenames appear to DOS, ie, ~1 instead of some of the filename, if the DVD is structured with a standard structure, then that can mess things up, but if its just a directory of .jpg files, then it won't matter much, in those situations, the files will just appear to have weird filenames
[11:55] <supernix> nikkia: which ISO version should I use 1 2 or 3 ?
[11:56] <nikkia> supernix: i'd use the k3b defaults, ie, level 2
[11:56] <nikkia> level 3 has some improvements, but it isn't universally supported
[11:57] <supernix> ok ty
[11:57] <supernix> God I hope this works even though it would not be the end of the world I hate to make coasters
[11:58] <testmad> sweet..frozen bubble
[11:58] <wincide> !cerveza
[11:58] <ubotu> wincide: Wish i knew
[11:58] <nikkia> testmad, i have it on my phone :P
[11:59] <nikkia> (thank you nokia for porting python to my phone :)
[11:59] <wincide> !repositories
[11:59] <ubotu> well, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto