[12:02] carstenh: pong === GheRivero [~ghe@81.172.89.26] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bskahan [~bskahan@pool-141-149-55-130.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:44] how do you make a diff that's like dpatch === elmo [~james@83-216-156-21.jamest747.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dr88dr88 [~gerrit@h174040.upc-h.chello.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:48] dpatch-edit? [12:48] no, in the style, I mean I can use diff [12:49] but using diff confuses me - I'm used to the stlye using +'s and -'s [12:49] instead of using like... < and > [12:49] diff -u [12:50] ah, ty === terrex [~terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-67-174-81-195.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kutucape [~zayn@202.73.106.143] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kutucape [~zayn@202.73.106.143] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === thoron [petri@dsl-hkigw8pb5.dial.inet.fi] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === susus [~sz@p5089DE72.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === terrex [~terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] fabbione: sup [01:38] fabbione: oh, that [01:38] fabbione: yeah, packages depending on xrender need to be updated. fun. === Loevborg [foobar@d36-159.dip.axsp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === terrex [~terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === |QuaD- [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aeddan [~aeddan@203.39.89.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carstenh_ [~carstenh@p54A62822.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:48] daniels ; you around? [02:57] davyd: yo [03:02] daniels ; I've answered my original question through sweat and pain [03:02] however, if I install a version of nvidia-glx I just built [03:03] is Xorg going to like it and use it? [03:04] seems the answer is... yes === davyd_ [~davyd@cugglephone.madeley.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === davyd_ is now known as davyd [03:04] oh, Xserver, how I've missed thee === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:08] elmo, ping? [03:11] elmo, ping as well [03:12] davyd: yeah, should be fine [03:12] heh [03:13] hmm, why does my chroot not share my theme? [03:13] I thought that stuff was exposed through Xsettings === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:13] Burgundavia, he sleeps [03:13] davyd: gconf, innit? [03:14] davyd: probably want to be bind-mounting /tmp [03:14] daniels: gnome-settings daemon exposes it to Xsettings from gconf [03:14] daniels: I would appear to have done that === daniels shrugs. [03:14] iz gtk bug [03:15] indeed, most annoyingly strange [03:16] ping === davyd [~davyd@cugglephone.madeley.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === davyd decides it wasn't entirely clear why X-chat was killed [04:05] this is mighty strange [04:05] when running my debugger in the chroot [04:05] (gdb) r [04:05] Starting program: /home/davyd/src/CVS/fugro/shading-scale/test/.libs/test-shading-scale [04:05] [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [04:05] Error while reading shared library symbols: [04:05] Cannot find new threads: generic error [04:07] elmo, elmoooooo.... [04:07] Burgundavia: dude, it's 3am [04:07] Kamion, yes [04:07] and he just got off a plane [04:08] oh yes, he was beating up jordi, I saw the blog [04:08] Kamion, you never know what time you guys will be up :) === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chaps0063 [~bjr223@pcp02115427pcs.lebnon01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chaps0063 [~bjr223@pcp02115427pcs.lebnon01.pa.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === ealden [~ealden@219.90.91.78] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ahuman01 [~ahuman01@pool-151-197-40-157.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax8-046.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:10] HrdwrBoB, ping? [05:11] yo [05:11] HrdwrBoB, hi there. Got a few minutes to chat in #ubuntu-doc? [05:11] yeah === Amaranth [amaranth@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [~tritium@12-208-96-155.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === poningru [~poningru@pool-71-101-7-23.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [~bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-67-174-81-195.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [~wasabi@c-67-174-81-195.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thierry [~thierry@modemcable094.69-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [~anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:13] morning === jba [~jba@210.185.67.18] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jnc [shadow@c-67-184-244-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xof [~mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k [~seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === womble [~mpalmer@220-245-224-46-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [~Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [~slomo@p5487EEB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mae [~mae@dpc674653178.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [~JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:35] Good morning [07:35] hey pitti [07:35] morning pitti [07:36] 34 minutes into Monday, here [07:36] pitti: i think i saw some kernel dildo's flying around in cogito [07:39] I'm never going to get anything done on Smeg. :/ [07:39] I got Morrowind working on my computer again. That's a bigger timesink than WoW. === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@59.95.0.74] has joined #ubuntu-devel === swarm [~swarm@host167-126.pool80181.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:48] is reiserfs stable under amd64? I was losting all data on root partition / that is reiserfs. The harddisk is ok as I have tested it at hw level. FS got broken due to raw two power offs. I got kernel panics and NMI watchdog lockups. [07:49] please use #ubuntu rather than #ubuntu-devel for this sort of question. [07:50] daniels: can you do some quick fact checking for me on http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=259915&postcount=64 ? [07:50] daniels: I have a feeling I shouldn't speak about things I don't understand. :) [07:51] daniels: I thought it was better suited to ubuntu-devel as it's related to lower-level things. thanks for redirection info. [07:52] Amaranth: it's pretty correct, actually. xgl isn't really a hack as such. the concept is solid, but the implementation is very much proof-of-concept for the time being. the problem being that right now you need another server (usually Xorg) capable of direct rendering behind it. === Amaranth didn't say xgl was a hack [07:53] that was a quote [07:53] woo, i almost know what i'm talking about [07:53] swarm: reiserfs is a bug. [07:53] Isn't there work being done on moving OpenGL into the kernel or something? [07:53] don't use it... [07:53] glitz just translates cairo calls into gl calls on the client side, thus cutting out the need for cairo to translate to render ops, which then get translated to gl ops on the server side. glitz will probably be quicker for graphics-intensive operations when it comes down to it, though. [07:54] Amaranth: that's sort of long-term handwavy stuff, in where X no longer has intimate knowledge of the devices, but is just another GL client. [07:54] hehe [07:54] sounds like a fd.o spec === Amaranth ducks [07:54] fabbione: which journaled fs you suggest? [07:54] reiserfs! [07:54] Amaranth: aieeeeee [07:54] daniels: dconf! [07:55] Amaranth: oh man [07:55] daniels: we'll change the g to a d and shove it down the KDE dev's throats through fd.o! yay! [07:55] anyway... [07:56] swarm: ext3 === mae [~mae@dpc674653178.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:56] I seem to remember another plan was to basically strip Xorg of everything not needed to run Xgl. [07:56] Amaranth: tell me about it. hopefully we'll vaguely end up with something useful [07:56] swarm: if you need special performance optimizations i strongly suggest you to read the mke3fs man page [07:56] Amaranth: yeah, but we should probably kick this to another channel or something, 'cause it's rather off-topic for #u-d now [07:56] swarm: and tune2fs [07:56] but not right now, I have to take off for a little bit [07:56] ok [07:57] fabbione: thanks === herzi [~herzi@c200050.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cat [~cat@cat.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:08] Hrmpf, back from 5 kernel crashes and xorg breakage. did anybody say anything to me previously? === brz [~brzy@209-47-142-194.real.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:10] pitti: yup... [08:10] pitti: xorg isn't broken, it's just the kernel [08:10] daniels: did you already fix the "test -d .. && .. " bug in xlibs.postinst? [08:10] pitti: i think i saw some kernel dildo's flying around in cogito [08:10] pitti: yeah [08:10] hey everyone [08:10] daniels: fix xorg.. the kernel has no bugs [08:10] fabbione: new microrelease? [08:10] pitti: not released in stable [08:11] pitti: i just noticed some git commits that might be interesting [08:11] cat: if you need something you can talk to me in public [08:11] oh not really === sto [~sto@sto.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:13] wow. i suddenly received almost 20 new edubuntu-devel messages. [08:17] its smokin' :) === mitsuhiko [~mitsuhiko@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [~marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mae [~mae@dpc674653178.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:22] JaneW, most of the existing Ubuntu documentation will get its way into Edubuntu but I'm sure there would be translation in edubuntu-specific docs when it gets written (when its already usable) [08:29] jsgotangco: ok [08:30] jsgotangco: I am just not sure how to organise the ppl who want to translate now... [08:30] JaneW, they can go to launchpad [08:30] as some Ubuntu docs that were shipped in Hoary are already there [08:33] jsgotangco: isn't that still 'closed'? [08:33] jsgotangxo: is rosetta publically usable now? [08:33] it is :) [08:33] ok. [08:35] Does Ubuntu have something similar to the debian-policy doc? I searched the wiki and site for repositories, I need to know what the Ubuntu equivilent of 'non-free' is. [08:35] Is it the multiverse? [08:36] non-free is multiverse for non-supported [08:36] and restricted for supported [08:37] JaneW, if the latest docs aren't in rosetta yet, it'll have to wait till we open up the docs for translation [08:37] That's next month, isn't it? [08:37] Kamion: any idea where the morgue is? [08:37] The morgue died. :/ [08:37] ack! [08:38] Amaranth, next month would be murder for us tee hee [08:41] jsgotangco: ok, ic [08:41] jsgotangco: do you know anything about wiki translations? [08:41] jsgotangco: It must been done next month! *cracks whip* [08:41] :) [08:41] Burgundavia: so if we wanted to include something like Wikipedia, which contains elements that are strictly non-free, and we want to support it, it should go into multiverse? [08:41] yes [08:42] thanks. === JaneW slots Amaranths names into all outstanding BreezyGoals... [08:42] multiverse is not a curse [08:43] Burgundavia: It's not quite a blessing either [08:43] no [08:44] JaneW, Edubuntu wiki? In Moin No. But its an open wiki in the first place so anyone interested in translating should go ahead imo. === carlos [~carlos@243.Red-83-47-24.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:47] jsgotangco: I was just wondering how updates are tracked and kept up to date etc... [08:49] JaneW, it can be hard if its done on the wiki, at the moment Burgundavia and robitaille are cleaning up the Ubuntu wiki for dead/non-active stuff [08:49] JaneW: Ouch. That's going to conflict with my Morrowind playing time. [08:50] ohhh a Morrowind player [08:50] what is it outlander [08:50] at least i'm a dark elf so they don't all hate me === jsgotangco is hyped already with Oblivion === Seveas [~seveas@ksl403-uva-135.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:55] jsgotangco: uncanny valley [08:56] jsgotangco: first thing i thought of when i saw screenshots, it looks too real [08:56] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley [08:56] heh yeah [08:57] nonetheless for a game made in 2002, morrowind is still amazing === jsgotangco goes back to work before he becomes completely OT [08:57] aye [08:57] hehe === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-087-002.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vedran [~vedran@secondary.energodata.ba] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zwnj [~behnam@81.31.160.199] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pef [~loic@erodia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:21] hi === terrex [~terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chmj [~chmj@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.210.238] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [~poningru@pool-71-101-7-23.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === teo [~teo@19.Red-80-59-20.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:57] 'morning [09:59] moring all [10:00] morning, even === Seveas [~seveas@ksl403-uva-135.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:06] hey sivang, Seveas [10:09] now that this bug has been fixed, can this page die? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ParallelPortIRQ7#preview [10:09] <\sh> infinity: pingling === guim [~glederer@d239c.ipm.ucl.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] Burgundavia: keeping it while Warty is still "out there" might be nice [10:10] Burgundavia: it does have 18 months of support.. [10:10] true [10:11] \sh : pong... long? [10:12] <\sh> infinity: hehe...could u please have a look to wine_0.0.20050628? its build, sources are on the archives, but the binaries not :( === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:13] \sh: people.ubuntu.com/~lamont ? [10:14] \sh: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/w/wine/0.0.20050628-1ubuntu1/wine_0.0.20050628-1ubuntu1_20050717-1120-i386-successful.gz [10:14] hmmm [10:14] <\sh> treenaks: universe/otherosfs/wine_0.0.20050628-1ubuntu1: Uploaded by buildd+terranova [optional:out-of-date] [10:14] hmm [10:15] hey Treenaks [10:16] Treenaks: do you happen to how to package a shared library? [10:16] Treenaks: (I'm looking for a guide/tutorial or a recipie [10:16] ) [10:16] <\sh> coffee [10:16] sivang: http://dc5video.debian.net/2005-07-14/01-Shared_Library_Packaging-Junichi_Uekawa.mpeg [10:17] sivang: on video :) [10:19] Treenaks: amazing [10:19] Treenaks: :-) [10:19] Treenaks: do you know also about a document? [10:20] sivang: uh.. [10:20] sivang: the packaging manual [10:20] Treenaks: you mean the policy? [10:20] uh yes [10:20] Treenaks: I know there is a debian packaging manula, but it said to be old and out dated [10:21] sivang: then mail Junichi about the slides? :) [10:22] \sh : Did it have NEW binaries? === kafeine [~kori@212.39.73.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] Treenaks: whi is he? [10:26] ;-) [10:27] sivang: google for him :) [10:27] sivang: some d-d [10:27] <\sh> infinity: it replaces a couple of binary packages into one..yes === zwnj [~behnam@81.31.160.199] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:37] <\sh> does anybody have a copy of the video of marks speech at debconf? the server is not responding right now :( [10:37] yes [10:37] it is 200mb [10:37] <\sh> so i need a mirror server or someone who has enough bandwith to send it to me *g* [10:38] <\sh> forget it :) working again [10:38] <\sh> 30 secs left [10:39] good talk, btw [10:40] daniels: does the "X is broken" in the channel subject refer to the broken XKB? [10:42] how about a torrent tracker for this? ;) === Gman_ [~Glynn@amfea-proxy-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:42] pitti: to everything [10:43] pitti: if you get it installed in the first place, you're doing well [10:44] daniels: I upgraded my notebook and now keyboard is broken (no umlauts, no Ctrl+Alt+Fn to switch to consoles, etc.) [10:45] daniels, I cannot finish its installation, I have it partial installed [10:45] pitti: cool [10:45] carlos: yeah === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] that'll happen [10:45] carlos: does xlibs postinst break? [10:45] daniels, do you know where the problem is? [10:45] pitti, yes [10:45] since last week [10:45] carlos: sudo vi /var/lib/dpkg/info/xlibs.postinst [10:46] <\sh> Burgundavia: yeah..I just saw the introduction now...I need some peace to watch it to the end [10:46] carlos: right before all the "test -d ... && ...", prepend a "set +e" [10:46] <\sh> but actually I will mirror the stuff on my server...;-9 [10:46] pitti, so it's that?, thank you. I looked into that file but I was not sure where the problem is === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [10:46] carlos: the problem is that "a && b" will exit with 1 if !a [10:47] carlos: so the proper fix for daniels would be to append a "|| true" to every line [10:47] Or wrap them in if blocks. [10:48] yes, but that bloats it quite severely [10:48] it's already wrapped in a block and unbroken [10:48] i just need to fix some other stuff and upload that too [10:48] patience, young jedis [10:48] pitti, hmm, it does not work [10:48] or should I prepend it to every single line? [10:49] no, just before the first one [10:49] I added it just before the block of tests [10:49] that worked for me [10:50] daniels: eheheh [10:50] just add exit 0 at the end of the file [10:50] and sudo dpkg --configure -a === j^ [~j@e178036073.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:50] 01001110011011 [10:50] that worked [10:50] hope the script didn't fail :-P [10:50] obviously daniels > pitti === fabbione hits inotify with a kstrdup cluebat [10:51] daniels: hehe - well, obviously my last test succeeded, so it worked for me... [10:51] daniels, pitti thanks, Now I'm a bit less scared about restart my X session === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-18-97.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:51] Hey seb128 [10:52] hi seb128 [10:52] hi pitti [10:52] how was the debconf? [10:52] Hi fabbione [10:52] it was really cool [10:52] carlos: there's no room for complacency, it will still be broken in other ways [10:53] very relaxed, lots of chatter and some interesting talks [10:53] carlos: you'll lose everything but the US keyboard keys if you don't have xkeyboard-config installed [10:53] pitti: nice [10:53] but then again, everyone uses a US keyboard, so it's OK [10:53] seb128: good morning mr shakley [10:53] seb128: new gcc is still building.. for now i am sure i need new libcairo and new gtk+2.0 to get rid of libXrender.la [10:53] daniels, I'm using a spanish one, but I'm writting in English so it's not a bit problem to work [10:54] seb128: i should be able to give you more info later today [10:54] hi daniels [10:54] "mr shakley"? [10:54] seb128: i meant to type 'shakeley' [10:54] daniels, and I only said that I'm a bit less scared. ;-) [10:54] only a bit [10:54] carlos: don't upgrade xorg [10:55] carlos: I've seen many GNOME guy complaining this WE because they couldn't install the keyboard stuff [10:55] seb128: yeah [10:55] seb128: i've just fixed that for carlos :P [10:55] carlos: you'll need to install xkeyboard-config with --force-overwrite, unless you install it in an hour or so when the new version is in the archive [10:55] fabbione: k [10:56] daniels: sorry but I don't get the "mr shakeley" reference neither :p [10:56] seb128: remember to add the libxfixes-dev B-D [10:56] daniels, I will wait for the new version [10:56] fabbione: what's this? a new lib? [10:57] seb128, I have that broken since last week, so your warning comes too late [10:57] :-P [10:57] carlos: ah ah [10:57] seb128: i can't remember where it's from [10:57] carlos: you have not learnt yet to not upgrade xorg? [10:57] quit moaning and fix my panel already :P [10:57] carlos: I still have -33 :) [10:57] seb128, I love the risk [10:58] carlos: and now you enjoy what it gives :p [10:58] updating is fine, as long as you don't restart your X server, you are fine [10:58] daniels: what's wrong with the panel? I can't see anything wrong with it ;-) [10:58] sivang: it used to hang my machine [10:58] and it will do so again as soon as seb128 marks it RESOLVED/FIXED [10:59] seb128, anyway, I hope I will get my new laptop tomorrow so I can move back to Hoary :-) [10:59] daniels: k, I'll close it as WORKSFORME so :) [10:59] daniels: hehe [10:59] seb128: lol [10:59] seb128: it's another bit that has been splitted from xorg [11:00] in all seriousness, though, xkeyboard-config really does need all the testing it can get [11:00] seb128: so it's not pulled in automatically anymore [11:00] fabbione: and Build-Depends are supposed to break? [11:00] it's a different upstream and they say things are broken [11:00] seb128: well dude.. it's xorg :P [11:00] seb128: uh, what's broken? [11:00] daniels: GTK bog, it needs to b-d on libxfixes-dev [11:00] pitti, I just moved so I have all my gadgets inside boxes or in my parent's house, so the check you asked me will take a bit to be done [11:00] daniels: gtk+2.0 needs another B-D [11:00] seb128: does it use Xfixes.h directly? [11:00] seb128: if not, that's my problem [11:02] gdk/x11/gdkcursor-x11.c:#include [11:02] yeah, it does [11:02] iz gtk boog === carlosp1 [~carlospc@36.Red-217-125-73.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:02] what I said :) [11:02] daniels: i read on debian-devel that the libglu c++ transition seems unnecessary and debian's xorg libglu packages will provide the older package names. what does this mean for us ubuntus? [11:03] seb128, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11908 [11:03] does the .12 kernel have inotify on by default? === carlosp1 is now known as carlospc [11:03] Xfixes is like a xorg pkg for easing the breakage on the modularization process ? [11:04] s/pkg/lib/ [11:04] siretart: it means I'm going to sync up with their changes [11:04] sivang: heh, no === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:04] daniels: becasue it sounded funny :-) [11:04] Burgundavia: that's a question for fabbione, but probably [11:04] sivang: provides functions for changing the cursor and the Region type [11:04] daniels: Region type? [11:04] Uhh, what?... How was the libglu1 -> 1c2 transition "unnecessary"? [11:05] daniels: so the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition becomes completly uncessary? [11:05] sivang: yeah, it's just a data type that expresses a region [11:05] unnecessary, even [11:05] infinity: libglu has a pure C ABI [11:05] infinity: the fact it's in C++ is an implementation detail [11:05] daniels: ah, you mean, display region wise [11:05] infinity: myself and vorlon went over it with objdump [11:05] daniels : Ahh, so its linking to libstdc++ is irrelevant. [11:05] fabbione, does the .12 kernel do inotify by default? [11:05] sivang: right [11:05] infinity: correct [11:05] daniels : Well, uh. Oops. :0 [11:06] infinity: which means that both xorg and mesa need to provide libglu1 as well as c2 === SloMoSnail [~slomo@vpn-imt18.uni-paderborn.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] Burgundavia: it did since the beginning === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] fabbione, ok [11:06] Burgundavia: but now inotify is upstream in .13 so i am backporting that version to .12 [11:06] daniels : Why would they need to provide c2 as well? I can rebuild everything to get the proper shlibs (again) and just make it right. [11:07] Burgundavia: it's pointless for us to keep an old unmaintained version around [11:07] but it's giving me the creeps [11:07] fabbione, fun [11:07] infinity: makes it easier, no? [11:08] yes.. specially when to edit a patch for a line takes almost 40 minutes [11:08] daniels : I suppose it does, but at the expense of pointless cruft. [11:08] i need to get 16GB of RAM on this machine to do it at a decent speed [11:08] infinity: sure [11:08] daniels : I guess it's less effort for me if you go the cruft route, though. [11:08] infinity: debian is going to keep the c2 cruft because they're Debian, but we can fix it in Ubuntu if we want. your call. [11:08] daniels : I can fix mesa right now. [11:08] infinity: tell me what to do with xorg. [11:08] daniels : Why would Debian want the c2 cruft? They just started the transition ffs. [11:09] infinity: take it up with vorlon === infinity grumps. === Mithrandir [~tfheen@c5100BC63.inet.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:18] siretart : Alright, after some discussion with the Debian side of things, looks like your transition just needs to be reversed. === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:18] j #ubuntu-ph [11:18] ngayy [11:18] siretart : We'll update xorg and mesa to have the old shlibs again (no c2), and then anything that currently depends on libglu1c2 prett much MUST be rebuilt before breezy, so we can drop the c2 provides from the libraries if we so choose. [11:20] infinity: I'm pretty confused now. Could you please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition with the correct build dependencies? [11:20] else I'm guessing and pinging you again ;) [11:20] siretart : I'll ping you back after mesa and xorg have been fixed. No point in doing anything about it right now, except to tell you "stop the GLU transition". [11:21] siretart : I'll need to get main sorted first. Which shouldn't take long. [11:21] fwiw, libglu1-xorg will likely just crawl into a hole and die for breezy [11:22] daniels : So, if your next xorg can change the shlibs back, and add the extra provides, we'll go from there. We can drop the c2 provides in a month. [11:22] infinity: err ... [11:22] ok [11:22] Crawl into which hole? [11:22] keep libglu1c2 in shlibs [11:22] ? [11:22] i don't know -- any [11:23] No, shlibs should change to libglu1 [11:23] infinity: I cannot do ubuntu stuff for the next 3 days anyway, but I'll be hanging around here just in case. Will update the wiki with a warning [11:23] Change provides to libglu1, libglu1c2 [11:23] infinity: 'kay [11:23] argh, fabbione, stop DoSing davis [11:23] infinity: (i'm rather tired) [11:23] daniels : Whatever hole it plans to crawl into, it better still work properly from there, cause half the world build-deps on it. [11:24] daniels : Alternately, I can make the changes tonight when I do mesa, as long as you merge my changes into your next upload. [11:24] infinity: libglu1-mesa, yo [11:24] infinity: make what changes? [11:24] daniels : Flipping the shlibs. [11:24] daniels : And bringin back the old provides. [11:24] daniels : You really are tired, aren't you? :) [11:24] infinity: will be done tonight [11:24] yeah [11:25] daniels : And mesa isn't an option, unless you want to change the build-deps on a mess of packages (or make libglu1-xorg-dev depend on libglu1-mesa, I guess) [11:25] does that mean that breezy will be unbuildable for the next 2 days? [11:25] infinity: don't they b-d on libglu1-xorg-dev | libglu-dev? [11:25] fabbione : No, this will be done right the first time. [11:25] infinity: and if mesa suddenly becomes the sole provider of libglu-dev ... [11:26] daniels : Isn't mesa in universe..? [11:26] we can fix that [11:26] it comes into main for breezy anyway [11:26] i think I'll have to start maintaining it [11:26] unless we decide that GL support is for suckers [11:26] MOTUGLUTransition updated [11:27] daniels : sbuild may or may not have a conniption fit about losing the first option in the alternate build-dep. [11:27] daniels : Not that sbuild is intentionally stupid about these things, to keep the world consistent. [11:27] s/Not/Note/ [11:27] infinity: oops [11:28] infinity: well, we can check it out at a later date [11:28] If the two are binary compatible, I'd prefer to just leave both in for breezy and kill off the xorg variety in the first two days of breezy+1 devel. [11:28] there will be no xorg variety in breezy, unless I get hit by a bus and modularisation stops [11:28] currently we just copy in the mesa source to the monolith; in the modular world, we just build Mesa for all our GL* needs [11:29] ... Or, mesa-dev can provide xorg-dev [11:29] Assuming no one has a versioned build-dep on xorg-dev, which seems unlikely, given that all those build-deps were just added. [11:29] daniels: was the xorg keyboard driver replaced by something else? [11:29] versioned deps on xlibmesa-gl-dev are far more likely [11:29] daniels : Hit me with a small bat when you tear out xorg-dev, and we'll make sure all is well. [11:29] just trying to update xorg on amd64 [11:29] doko: make sure you have xserver-xorg-input-keyboard installed [11:29] may be -input-kbd [11:30] An easy question: The udebs that are in the arch of colin (for example) will pass to universe and then to main??? [11:31] daniels: still getting a (EE) Couldn't load XKB keymap [11:31] doko: got xkeyboard-config installed? is /etc/X11/xkb/xkbcomp a link to a valid xkbcomp executable? [11:32] doko, you noticed the buildds were down ? i only got half of X updated yesterday (havent looked today yet) [11:33] (i.e. the libs are at -42 already, but the rest is -36 or something) [11:33] daniels: the link is ok, but xkeyboard-config does conflict with xbase-clients [11:34] doko: --force-overwrite [11:35] hmm, now the gnome session is missing [11:35] iz gtk boog [11:36] maybe it was a bad idea for an upgrade [11:36] Ctrl-Alt-F? doesn't let me switch to a text console either === `anthony [~anthony@220-253-47-157.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:37] yeah, that will happen when you can't load the XKB config [11:38] did you restart the server after installing xkeyboard-config? [11:38] yes, I did restart gdm [11:38]