[12:06] <slomo> hmm seems they're all sleeping or busy :( tseng, you haven't voted yet ;)
[12:06] <tseng> i have not
[12:06] <tseng> link me again please
[12:06] <slomo> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=154
[12:20] <bddebian> OK darnit, I added the checks for DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE and DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE and confflags += gcc-3.4 and put the build dependency for gcc-3.4 in the control file but it still seems to be trying to build with gcc-4.x.  What am I missing?
[12:20] <slomo> bddebian: which package?
[12:21] <bddebian> slomo: openswan
[12:22] <ajmitch> bddebian: why can't it build with 4.0?
[12:22] <ogra> ajmitch, kernel modules
[12:22] <bddebian> ajmitch: It builds some kernel modules and apparently that is a problem!?
[12:22] <ajmitch> ah, I see
[12:23] <bddebian> ogra: Any quick quidance on what else I could be missing?
[12:23] <ogra> bddebian, what happens if you only add the 'confflags += gcc-3.4' line, without the if construct
[12:23] <ogra> ?
[12:24] <bddebian> Well I didn't try that :-)
[12:24] <ogra> :)
[12:24] <ogra> since you want it for all arhes....
[12:26] <bddebian> Do I?
[12:27] <bddebian> Hmm, still the same
[12:27] <ajmitch> ogra: did you see the url about utnubu?
[12:40] <ogra> ajmitch, yes
[12:40] <ogra> ajmitch, its a nice move...
[12:44] <ogra> yes, the latter is also my problem
[12:44] <ajmitch> since we've probably got a thousand or so patches to try & get back upstream to debian
[01:05] <niran> if a package has a .desktop file, it'll always be in /usr/share/applications, right?
[01:18] <ogra> niran, depends.. if its gnome. yes.... kde has some weird ways to abuse .desktop files for themes...
[02:25] <HostingGeek> |QuaD-: yo
[02:26] <|QuaD-> hey
[02:28] <HostingGeek> how are you?
[02:29] <|QuaD-> tired
[02:29] <|QuaD-> and onw i have to get my X in breezy workign :)
[02:29] <HostingGeek> me? sick... threw up a lot yesterday...
[02:30] <HostingGeek> now that xorg is in sid
[02:30] <HostingGeek> there is nothing intresting in ubuntu
[02:30] <HostingGeek> sid is always bleeding edge
[02:30] <|QuaD-> lol
[02:30] <bddebian> That's nice
[02:30] <HostingGeek> ubuntu is 6 months of the year bleeding edge and broken as hell
[02:30] <|QuaD-> feel better!
[02:31] <bddebian> heh
[02:31] <HostingGeek> bddebian: you used windows o.0
[02:31] <bddebian> Fine, I'm going back to CPM then :-)
[02:31] <bddebian> HostingGeek: Windows pays my bills :-(
[02:31] <HostingGeek> lol
[02:31] <bddebian> Gnight ogra
[02:31] <ogra> night all
[02:31] <|QuaD-> bddebian: my windows laptop pays the bills :)
[02:34] <|QuaD-> interesting how -devel says "yes, X is broken. a fix has already been uploaded."
[02:34] <|QuaD-> if its uploaded, why isn't it fixed?
[02:36] <|QuaD-> lol
[02:36] <HostingGeek> :D
[02:38] <jamessan|laptop> "is roken more broken than broken" ?
[05:17] <HostingGeek> what is roken?
[05:17] <HostingGeek> roken is a broken, broken
[05:36] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[05:37] <AndyFitz> Cowbell, Cowbell, Cowbell,  :-)
[05:37] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch, how's things?
[05:37] <bddebian> AndyFitz: :-)
[05:37] <Burgundavia> AndyFitz, how are the icons coming?
[05:37] <AndyFitz> g'day bddebian
[05:38] <AndyFitz> Burgundavia, they are doing good.  writing up a wiki document so the art team can help up
[05:38] <schweeb> omg it's ajmitch
[05:39] <ajmitch> really?
[05:39] <schweeb> no
[05:39] <ajmitch> ok
[05:40] <schweeb> anyone using these new cairo enabled gtk2.7 packages?
[05:45] <ajmitch> great, call for NMUs on debian-devel to some lib packages
[05:45] <ajmitch> I see at least 5 there that I touched in ubuntu
[05:45] <bddebian> heh
[09:15] <siretart> moin folks!\
[09:17] <siretart> wheeez. 55 mails since saturday..
[09:21] <pef> hi
[09:23] <Burgundavia> robitaille and I are going to town on the wiki, siretart
[09:24] <siretart> Burgundavia: I've seen it in my inbox ;) - great job!
[09:24] <siretart> Burgundavia: what's about this Category* Pages? Just for better navigating or is there some policy describing how it should work?
[09:26] <Burgundavia> Category pages are automatically created indexes
[09:26] <Burgundavia> of any page with CategoryFoo in them
[09:26] <siretart> ah. cool!
[09:27] <Treenaks> Burgundavia: can a page have multiple?
[09:27] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:27] <Treenaks> Coolness
[09:27] <Burgundavia> just add another CategoryBar to it
[09:39] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CxxApplicationList
[09:39] <Burgundavia> still useful for you?
[09:52] <siretart> I dont think so, because the archive seems to be unfrozen now, uploads of cxx application should work again
[09:53] <Burgundavia> ok, will kill it
[09:59] <\sh> grmpf
[09:59] <\sh> wine is compiled but not in the archives...
[09:59] <\sh> and with all the kde stuff...we're waiting for xbase client
[10:09] <siretart> hi \sh, how are you?
[10:10] <\sh> siretart: fine...but waiting for some NEW love ,-)
[10:10] <siretart> hehe :)
[10:11] <\sh> someone has to move wine to the archives
[10:11] <siretart> does this make sense with xorg beeing unusable atm?
[10:55] <jsgotangco> brb
[12:06] <pef> is revu frozen ?
[12:17] <siretart> pef: not that I'm aware, why?
[12:17] <pef> siretart: no motu comments since a few days
[12:18] <siretart> I cannot speak for other MOTUs, but I'm currently very busy. sorry :(
[12:19] <pef> no problems ;) I just want to know
[12:23] <ogra> argh, Burgundavia removed the Cxx page ?
[12:38] <siretart> isn't it possible to recover deleted wiki pages?
[12:52] <Amaranth> oh dear
[12:52] <Amaranth> it's a PITA
[12:52] <Amaranth> i don't know how (or if it's possible) with the new wiki software
[12:55] <ogra> i restored it
[12:56] <ogra> you go to the recent changes page, click on info and click on restore in the info page....
[03:05] <Treenaks> havoc: witha large hammer?
[03:06] <havoc> I need netatalk-2.0-beta{n}
[03:06] <havoc> oh, nto even beta anymore, nice :)
[03:06] <havoc> 2.0.3 is out and in breezy
[03:06] <havoc> this si for that 1.2TB machine
[03:07] <havoc> fileserver for a mac network
[03:07] <havoc> and the netatalk version that comes with hoary (1.6.4) doesn't quite work for a mixed OS9 and OSX network
[03:18] <Nafallo> strange...
[03:19] <Nafallo> I just found myself blogging for the second time today :-P
[03:20] <Lathiat> haha
[03:29] <bddebian> Heya
[03:32] <havoc> morning
[03:32] <bddebian> Hello havoc
[04:02] <Treenaks> havoc: so do we
[04:03] <havoc> I *need* netatalk-2.0.3, so my options are to go to breezy, or build from source
[04:03] <Amaranth> X does not work at all in breezy
[04:03] <havoc> ah
[04:03] <Amaranth> if you haven't been following X from at least -36 to now
[04:03] <havoc> well, I don't have X installed anyway
[04:04] <havoc> ok, build from source it is
[04:12] <havoc> ok, build from source isn't as easy as it sounds :(
[04:14] <sivang> Amaranth: works for me
[04:14] <sivang> Amaranth: I had a broken X from about a week ago, I dist-upgraded today and everything's fine
[04:14] <Amaranth> sivang: You went from hoary to breezy xorg 6.8.2-42?
[04:15] <Amaranth> of course it works for you
[04:15] <Amaranth> you have an xbase-clients
[04:15] <sivang> Amaranth: no, from breezy to breezy
[04:16] <Amaranth> yes, going from hoary to breezy or a fresh install of breezy (if daily snapshots are building) is broken
[04:27] <sivang> Amaranth: ah that is bullocks ;-)
[04:27] <Amaranth> blame daniels :)
[04:36] <bddebian> Would anyone find any value in me adding comments or a link to a comments page about problems with packages that I find in UniverseUnmetDeps that I may not be able to fix myself??
[04:37] <siretart> bddebian: if you think your comments could save work for others fixing the package, I'd say absolutly. if in doubt, yes ;)
[04:38] <ogra> bddebian, everything you do is valuable here :)
[04:38] <bddebian> Yeah right
[04:40] <bddebian> Here are two examples, give me your opinion.  zorp needs to be updated from upstream due to libzorpll 3.0.xx and some changes in functions therein.  Openswan FTBFSs with gcc-4.0 because it includes kernel modules.  Unfortunately the rules/control set up is all makefiles so it's not a "small" change, I don't think.
[04:40] <bddebian> Shit
[04:44] <bddebian> No comment?
[04:46] <\sh> bddebian: the comments of siretart and ogra say "Yes, do it" I say "do it" if this is not the majority, then I don't know anymore *lol*
[04:48] <Amaranth> openswan is C though, right?
[04:48] <bddebian> OK.  Should I put them right on the UnmetDeps page or a link?
[04:48] <siretart> bddebian: I think some sort of 'commented' .debdiffs would be most helpful
[04:49] <ogra> Amaranth, yes, but kernel stuff doesnt compil with gcc-4.0
[04:49] <Amaranth> ogra: I know, but you can compile it with gcc-3.4 :)
[04:49] <ogra> sure
[04:49] <bddebian> siretart: How would I do that?  Actually go ahead and update zorp for example, from upstream?
[04:53] <siretart> bddebian: ah, I see. for bigger changes this is not feasible..
[04:53] <siretart> rather for smaller changes
[04:55] <bddebian> Well obviously if I can fix the package, I intend to try :-)
[05:02] <\sh> ugh....this is.../me is ashamed
[05:02] <\sh> ashamed?
[05:02] <tritium> hey teferi :)
[05:02] <teferi> so tritium tells me that i should package my stupid little evolution mail notifier tray icon
[05:02] <comadreja> gmail-notify would go into section universe/net ?
[05:03] <\sh> what about mail?
[05:03] <comadreja> better, right ?
[05:03] <bddebian> \sh: What are you ashamed about?
[05:03] <teferi> i'm not sure he's right, it's a 40-line python hack and it's not even done yet
[05:03] <ogra> teferi, based on the dbus messages ?
[05:03] <teferi> ogra: yep
[05:03] <\sh> bddebian: i just found a piece of evidence of me...10 years ago
[05:03] <ogra> yay
[05:04] <ogra> DO IT !
[05:04] <bddebian> \sh: Ah :-)
[05:04] <teferi> ogra: there hasn't been one since em-panel-applet broke after the big dbus api break
[05:04] <teferi> and i finally got tired of switching desktops to check mail
[05:04] <teferi> anyway, let me finish version 0.2 and you all can take a look at it
[05:04] <tritium> awesome, teferi
[05:07] <teferi> hmm...0.2 will be a little longer, tooltips aren't working for some reason
[05:07] <teferi> ah, that would be why.
[05:12] <teferi> good god, there's something seriously wrong with my mail system if it takes this long for mail to percolate up into evolution...
[05:12] <Lathiat> lol percolate
[05:13] <teferi> well, postfix to courier to evolution
[05:13] <teferi> er, postfix to procmail to etc.
[05:13] <Lathiat> ahh courier is the problem? ;)
[05:13] <teferi> i suspect courier
[05:13] <Lathiat> use dovecot!
[05:13] <Lathiat> :)
[05:13] <teferi> is it any good?
[05:13] <Lathiat> works great
[05:13] <teferi> also, what's the migration path from courier like?
[05:13] <Lathiat> i use it all the time
[05:13] <Lathiat> no idea
[05:14] <Lathiat> depends what features of courier you are using i guess
[05:14] <teferi> um, nothing fancy
[05:14] <teferi> folders?
[05:14] <teferi> maildir?
[05:14] <Lathiat> yeh that shold work fine
[05:14] <Lathiat> more worried about things like virtual users
[05:14] <teferi> nothing that fancy
[05:17] <teferi> all right! tooltips!
[05:17] <teferi> lemme check this into cvs and then i'll upload it somewhere
[05:21] <teferi> http://wmute.net/~teferi/evo-mail-notify.py
[05:21] <teferi> requires python, python-gnome2-dev, python-gnome2-extras-dev
[05:21] <teferi> and python2.4-dbus
[05:22] <teferi> please beat on it and tell me if you break it
[05:24] <tritium> teferi, thanks again :)
[05:25] <teferi> tritium: hey, i'm doing this because i need it. the fact that you may find it useful is entirely coincidental :)
[05:25] <teferi> oh crap, small bug
[05:26] <teferi> okay, try now
[05:35] <teferi> tritium: it work okay fro you?
[05:36] <tritium> teferi, no, import error for egg.trayicon
[05:36] <tritium> Im probably missing a python lib
[05:36] <teferi> tritium: you need python-gnome2-extras-dev
[05:36] <tritium> cool, thanks
[05:39] <tritium> teferi, I'm going to have to check it out later.  I'll let you know next time I see you.  Thanks again.
[05:39] <teferi> no problem, i'll hang around
[05:51] <teferi> huh, switching to dovecot broke my folders just a teensy bit
[05:52] <Lathiat> might need to fiddle with the option for folders
[05:53] <teferi> it doesn't root its namespace in INBOX like courier did
[05:53] <teferi> which is a bit different
[05:53] <teferi> i seem to still be able to access all my old folders, though, so no loss yet
[05:53] <teferi> however, i don't seem to be able to subscribe to folders from inside evolution. odd, that.
[06:11] <Amaranth> \sh_away: Your server is about to die. :P
[06:24] <bddebian> If someone gets a second, can they just check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps and let me know if that is too much or too little info for the page?
[06:29] <slomo> bddebian: you are BarryDefreese? well it seems like too much information ;) should be ok this way :) at least me and the others just list on what packages we're working currently...
[06:37] <bddebian> slomo: Well I was trying to get info out there for others that I have looked at it but not necessarily will be able to fix the package itself.  You think it's too much?
[06:40] <slomo> bddebian: that was a joke :) i think it's ok this way
[06:40] <bddebian> slomo: Oh sorry :-)  Thanks for looking.
[06:42] <slomo> bddebian: maybe add a link to the debian bugreport you mean :) is this #304666 or #301618
[06:44] <bddebian> I thought about that but I was trying not to get too verbose. :-)
[06:50] <slomo> hm, just add them ;) that's ~15 additional characters and when somebody wants them deleted he just can do it... which one of these two bugs is causing problems? only the second?
[06:53] <bddebian> Just did :)
[06:55] <slomo> ok, fine :) hm, maybe you can try to do an updated package? uupdate ist your friend ;) but is the 2.1 branch source/binary compatible with 2.0?
[06:56] <bddebian> Of zorp?  It should be the 3.0.x branch
[06:58] <slomo> oh ok :)
[06:58] <Nafallo> slomo: btw. for kismet you might want this debian/control: http://www.magicalforest.se/tmp/control.kismet
[06:59] <Nafallo> slomo: i.e. changed Suggests and Description to what debian has in the last sync :-).
[07:00] <Nafallo> slomo: hi btw :-)
[07:01] <slomo> hi ;) hmm, why do you tell me that? kismet was on my todo list after gnucash/sawfish/python-gnome2 but nobody should've known that ;)
[07:03] <Nafallo> slomo: I hacked on 2005.04.R1-2 to build on ubuntu before 2005.06.R1-0ubuntu1 was uploaded :-).
[07:05] <Nafallo> slomo: but that version had the Suggests from 2004.04.R1, so I wanted to tell you that for the next kismet upload :-).
[07:08] <comadreja> I need a revision on this http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=156
[07:08] <comadreja> btw siretart, thanks for kismet !
[07:08] <Nafallo> slomo: hmm, are you the right person btw? :-)
[07:08] <slomo> i don't think so ;) maybe you've mistaken me for comadreja? :)
[07:09] <slomo> but thanks anyway :)
[07:09] <Nafallo> slomo: ahh, hehe. sorry then :-).
[07:09] <comadreja> oh, yes, it's me
[07:09] <comadreja> :)
[07:09] <Nafallo> comadreja: ^ s/slomo/comadreja/g ;-)
[07:10] <comadreja> send me a diff
[07:10] <slomo> comadreja: the diff of your gmail-notify upload seems to be broken
[07:10] <comadreja> damn, let me check
[07:10] <comadreja> oh, it's a new package, damn
[07:11] <Nafallo> comadreja: k
[07:11] <slomo> comadreja: is kismet completely fixed now? in that case you can remove it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps and add your name and the package name to the already-done-table ;)
[07:12] <comadreja> slomo: should be, yes. I'll retry it
[07:13] <comadreja> slomo: yes, it does
[07:14] <slomo> comadreja: it works at least on ppc :) and it isn't segfaulting for me like the old version
[07:16] <Nafallo> comadreja: that's http://www.magicalforest.se/tmp/control.diff
[07:16] <comadreja> slomo : that's not thanks to me :D
[07:17] <comadreja> Nafallo : awesome
[07:20] <bddebian> Hmm, I don't get any unmet install dependencies for the zope-* stuff on UniverseUnmetDeps
[07:21] <slomo> which architecture? x86?
[07:21] <bddebian> Aye
[07:22] <|rockinnerd|> i'm so confused on how to start to be a MOTU
[07:23] <bddebian> |rockinnerd|: Join the club :-)
[07:23] <bddebian> I'm just amusing enough to ogra to stick around.  Other than that, I'm useless :-)
[07:23] <slomo> bddebian: even zope-popyda?
[07:23] <bddebian> slomo: Yep
[07:24] <slomo> bddebian: hmm, funny... zope-popyda: Depends: python2.1-popy (>= 2.0.8) but it is not installable  Depends: python2.1-popy (< 2.0.9) but it is not installable
[07:24] <slomo> bddebian: this is also on x86 ;)
[07:24] <bddebian> slomo: On Breezy?
[07:24] <slomo> bddebian: yes
[07:24] <|rockinnerd|> where does the community council meet?
[07:24] <slomo> |rockinnerd|: #ubuntu-meeting
[07:25] <bddebian> |rockinnerd|: #ubuntu-meeting
[07:25] <|rockinnerd|> ah.
[07:25] <slomo> bddebian: there really is no python2.1-popy anymore... maybe you have hoary sources in your sources.list or something?
[07:26] <slomo> bddebian: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=popy&searchon=names&subword=1&version=breezy&release=all
[07:26] <bddebian> slomo: That's weird.  I don't get that dep in apt-cache search but I don't get an error when apt-get install zope-popyd
[07:26] <bddebian> +a
[07:27] <bddebian> I should really set up a chroot for this crap
[07:29] <Nafallo> bddebian: pbuilder is your friend :-)
[07:29] <slomo> bddebian: have a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[07:30] <bddebian> I can install packages into my pbuilder?
[07:30] <bddebian> I thought it was more a test build environment
[07:30] <Nafallo> bddebian: pbuilder login is your friend to ;-)
[07:30] <slomo> bddebian: and this package should be easy to fix... probably just change the (build)depends to python2.4-popy
[07:30] <bddebian> slomo: I know
[07:31] <bddebian> Nafallo: How do I do that?
[07:31] <Nafallo> bddebian: set up a pbuilder and then run pbuilder login :-)
[07:32] <bddebian> I have a pbuilder
[07:32] <slomo> bddebian: but don't make the same mistake as me and don't install something else than the default stuff ;) gets really hard to fix build dependencies when everything is there by default :)
[07:32] <Nafallo> slomo: well. you probably used --save-after-login ;-)
[07:34] <Nafallo> login is having a chroot that gets restored after you've been there :-)
[07:34] <slomo> Nafallo: yes _that_ was the mistake ;) really stupid
[07:34] <Nafallo> slomo: login is great for testing installations and that stuff :-)
[07:35] <slomo> Nafallo: sure... as long as you don't add --save-after-exec =) well... i'll search something to eat... brb :)
[07:36] <Nafallo> slomo: s/exec/login/ , but yea :-)
[07:37] <Nafallo> mirrorchanges, getting ccache to work etc... :-)
[07:37] <bddebian> Weird.  I get the depency failure in pbuilder but not in my normal breezy environement.. WTF
[07:38] <ogra> bddebian, is your installation up to date ? is you pbuilder up to date ? i guess one of them is outdated
[07:41] <|rockinnerd|> what do you think i should put in my Wiki; ive added myself to tomorrow's meeting agenda
[07:44] <thierry> at http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ what means the hammer, the light and the heart?
[07:44] <bddebian> The CC meeting is tomorrow? Yeesh
[07:45] <bddebian> ogra: Well I thought I updated my pbuilder but it was pulling from uk.ubunutu.com and I know I changed that so I am confused
[07:46] <slomo> tseng: ping?
[07:59] <bddebian> OK damnit, shouldn't pbuilder be using my /etc/pbuilder/apt.conf/sources.list???
[08:05] <slomo> hmm, i've created a package for cowbell yesterday uploaded it to revu and now the upstream author asked me whether i want the debian/ stuff included upstream :) would this be wise or can this cause problems somewhere? and what would be the best choose for the version numbering in that case? 0.1-0?
[08:06] <jamessan|work> debian/ should not be in upstream
[08:07] <slomo> jamessan|work: ok, thanks :) are there any reasons for this?
[08:07] <jamessan|work> for one, it means there's no diff.gz
[08:09] <bddebian> OK, I don't get a build dependencie installing zope-speedpack in pbuilder, but it does explode
[08:11] <slomo> jamessan|work: and this confuses buildd/archives?
[08:12] <bddebian> If someone is bored, could you look at this? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/660
[08:13] <jamessan|work> slomo: no, it makes it easier to see what changes the maintainer is making.  also, why should it be in upstream if it's debian specific?
[08:15] <comadreja> I'm uploading the fixed gcl 2.6.6 package
[08:15] <comadreja> to revu
[08:16] <slomo> jamessan|work: no idea ;) he just asked :) doesn't really make much difference but is useless imho... same as the .spec files included with some packages
[08:18] <ogra> bddebian, are all this python modules in the depends ?
[08:18] <ogra> especially the python package that contains shutil
[08:19] <bddebian> ogra: All which python modules?
[08:19] <bddebian> Ohh
[08:19] <ogra>  import fnmatch, glob, os, re, sys, shutil
[08:19] <ogra> thats a line of python imports
[08:20] <ogra> hmm, should be in python2.4
[08:20] <bddebian> It doesn't depend python2.4 I don't think.  Which is probably the problem
[08:20] <ogra> yep
[08:21] <ogra> could also be a older version, or the python metapackage
[08:21] <ogra> they contain it all
[08:22] <comadreja> why don't you use dh_python ?
[08:22] <bddebian> Who?
[08:23] <comadreja> the debian helper thingy for python
[08:23] <bddebian> I know what you meant, I meant who were you talking to, me? :-)
[08:23] <Nafallo> hmm
[08:23] <comadreja> bddebian : yes, sorry
[08:23] <comadreja> bddebian : I forgot, I was talking to you
[08:23] <Nafallo> I search for the author of books I want and get her homepage :-P
[08:24] <Nafallo> I actually want to buy books :-)
[08:24] <Nafallo> stupid google :-P
[08:24] <thierry> at http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ what means the hammer, the light and the heart?
[08:24] <ogra> Nafallo, ever heard of amazon ? :p
[08:24] <Nafallo> ogra: heard of it. never been there ;-).
[08:24] <thierry> I'd like to review some package on breezy... could someone point one and how this works?
[08:25] <bddebian> Depends python2.3-psyco?? WTF?
[08:26] <Nafallo> ogra: how to make it sort only the swedish translation? :-P
[08:27] <pef_aw> thierry: hammer = need work, light = new package (not already debianized), and heart means the package is accepted
[08:27] <thierry> k
[08:31] <ogra> Nafallo, tried amazon.se ?
[08:33] <Nafallo> ogra: yepp. leads to www.active24.se or something like that.
[08:34] <ogra> hmm
[08:34] <siretart> hi folks
[08:34] <siretart> CC concil is tomorrow, yes?
[08:34] <Nafallo> siretart: yes
[08:35] <Nafallo> ogra: irritating when you got the first three books, but can't find book five and six anywhere on the internet ;-).
[08:35] <comadreja> siretart : thanks about kismet :)
[08:35] <ogra> heh, probably the are confidential :)
[08:37] <comadreja> sk
[08:38] <comadreja> siretart : I uploaded two more packages
[08:38] <siretart> comadreja: I (and the whole community) has to thank YOU for preparing the upload! :)
[08:38] <siretart> comadreja: great! :)
[08:39] <comadreja> :)
[08:40] <bddebian> Amaranth: Are you talking about my zope question wrt "got missed on python transition"?
[08:40] <Amaranth> i guess so
[08:42] <bddebian> CC meeting is 15:00 EST ?
[08:46] <Lathiat> bddebian: date --utc and #ubuntu-meeting topic
[08:48] <bddebian> Oh, only 4 hours difference so 16:00 EDT
[08:49] <SloMoSnail> bddebian: 14:00 UTC... should be 15:00 EST
[08:49] <seth_k> bddebian: we're in daylight savings, so EST is only -4 right now (not -5 as it is normally)
[08:49] <bddebian> seth_k: Right
[08:50] <comadreja> but the topi says 14:00 UTC
[08:50] <seth_k> yeah bddebian read the tech board time
[08:50] <bddebian> Hehe, I was confusing it with the NuN meeting :-)
[08:50] <seth_k> 14:00 UTC - 4 = 10:00 UTC, hope you drink coffee bddebian
[08:51] <bddebian> Shiite, that's only 10:00 am :-)  I'll just join in from work.. ;-)
[08:51] <seth_k> 9 am for me, hello early rising
[08:52] <comadreja> it's 16:00 for me :D nap time :D
[08:53] <\sh> well...xfs is fast..but removing files is slow
[08:54] <comadreja>  \sh you could move them to another dir and have a cron job to delete them
[08:54] <\sh> comadreja: na..
[08:55] <\sh> i need space...and I don't want to move to canada
[08:56] <\sh> ogra: is it ok to say: Rebuild because of C++ Transition? I don't know if k* gets mad ,-)
[08:56] <ogra> \sh, the HDs are bigger in canada ?
[08:56] <\sh> ogra: more trees actually
[08:56] <ogra> \sh, just describe: changed dependsncy blah to dependency blupp
[08:57] <\sh> ogra: it's a rebuild...:(
[08:57] <\sh> no changes at all...
[08:57] <ogra> because of which dep do you do the rebuild ?
[08:57] <\sh> libstdc++5
[08:57] <ogra> mention it :)
[08:57] <\sh> I just copied dokos text ,-)
[08:59] <tseng> SloMoSnail: ?
[09:00] <\sh> argl
[09:00] <\sh> the list is completly borked
[09:01] <\sh> damn
[09:01] <SloMoSnail> tseng: already solved :)
[09:01] <tseng> ok
[09:03] <\sh> ogra: can u compile a list of libstdc++5 rdepends on amd64?
[09:03] <ogra> \sh, not worth it currently, my system is heavy outdated...
[09:04] <\sh> the list of unmetdeps is completly *censored*
[09:04] <ogra> and since only half of xorg is waiting i'm not after upgrading currently
[09:04] <Nafallo> \sh: better wait til does buildds are up2date again :-)
[09:04] <comadreja> \sh, I created a small script, don't know if I told you
[09:04] <bddebian> \sh: It is?
[09:04] <\sh> comadreja: yeah
[09:04] <Nafallo> "til does" wtf do I mean? :-)
[09:05] <ogra> \sh, look through the recent changes and revert the breakage
[09:05] <Nafallo> "till the" I guess ;-)
[09:05] <\sh> comadreja: but some of the apps are already done by doko...and they're listed in my rdepends list
[09:05] <ogra> Nafallo, i (as a suffering amd64 user) understood you ;)
[09:05] <\sh> it's a mess
[09:05] <Nafallo> ogra: hehe
[09:06] <\sh> I complete auto rebuild should be ok..to see what breaks and what not
[09:06] <siretart> \sh: if you paste me the correct grep-dctrl line, I will sent the output to you
[09:06] <\sh> s/I/A/
[09:07] <\sh> well...
[09:07] <\sh> I'm not sure, if it's correct to see libqt3c102-mt in my list
[09:08] <bddebian> I didn't think that was valid anymore?
[09:08] <\sh> damn
[09:08] <bddebian> \sh: Don't listen to me, I don't know shit though :-)
[09:09] <\sh> k3b is in main?
[09:10] <\sh> why the hell is it depending on libqt3c102-mt?
[09:11] <siretart> gnarf. forget it. should concentrate more on my work here. only partial multitasking support available here :/
[09:11] <\sh> siretart: work :)
[09:12] <bddebian> \sh: I might be wrong.  libqt3c102 still shows in my archive.  Though I swore that was replaced by libqt3-mt?
[09:20] <bddebian> OK, so zope-speedpack is crashing looking for shutil and some other functions.  It depends python2.3-psyco.  Doing a dpkg -S for shutil only returns python-2.4 and python2.4-twisted.  Should zope-speedpack depend on python2.4 then?
[09:21] <jamessan|work> do you even have a 2.3 version of python installed?
[09:21] <jamessan|work> dpkg -S only searches currently installed pacakges
[09:22] <bddebian> Oh yeah, good point
[09:22] <bddebian> dumbass :-(
[09:22] <Nafallo> I need popcorn
[09:23] <bddebian> Well it is in python2.3 but not python2.3-psyco.  Of course -psyco depends on python-2.3 I am sure.
[09:24] <sn9_> it does
[09:28] <sn9_> What's the canonical way (lower case C; no pun intended) to keep track of broken universe deps for breezy?
[09:35] <sn9_> Are you positive it's looking at the right path?
[09:44] <bddebian> sn9_: Me?
[09:45] <sn9_> The exact path for shutils.py is dependent upon the python version.
[09:45] <sn9_> I just thought it might be looking for the wrong one.
[09:45] <bddebian> sn9_: This fails on apt-get install zope-speedpack and zope-popyda
[09:46] <sn9_> s/shutils/shutil/
[09:47] <sn9_> Well, .deb pkgs don't depend on individual files, so exactly what dep isn't satisfied?
[09:48] <sn9_> oh. you mean it's not depending on what it should...
[09:50] <sn9_> Still, the problem could very well be a bad path somewhere in the install script for speedpack.
[09:50] <ogra> bddebian, did you make it depend on python or python2.4 now ?
[09:51] <bddebian> ogra: Neither yet.  I was trying to get a better handle on the actual problem. :-)
[09:51] <ogra> depend on python, rebuild it and see if the error still occurs (i doubt it)
[09:51] <sn9_> If it depends on python2.3-psyco, and that depends on python-2.3, apt-get should set them both up first, so if the script is still failing, it's not really a dep problem.
[09:51] <bddebian> sn9_: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/660
[09:52] <bddebian> ogra: Just python vs. python-psyco?
[09:52] <ogra> bddebian, additionally
[09:52] <bddebian> Ahh, OK
[09:54] <ogra> bddebian, if it doesnt work, there is something else broken, but i'd try the obvious first...
[09:54] <bddebian> SHould I change python2.3-psyco to just python-psyco also?
[09:55] <ogra> dunno, is there a metapackage ?
[09:55] <ogra> if so, it will depend on python2.4-psycho .... so you should test if it still works later
[09:55] <ogra> since you changed versions of the deps
[09:57] <sn9_> Note that -psyco is only available on i386, so anything that depends on it won't be installable on amd64 or ppc.
[10:03] <Mo42> hi there... i think that i found a bug in some universe packages...
[10:04] <sn9_> that's not hard to do
[10:04] <sn9_> :)
[10:04] <ogra> Mo42, file them as pointed out in the topic
[10:05] <Mo42> i do not know which package is wrong...
[10:05] <sn9_> ogra: does that apply to breezy as well?
[10:05] <ogra> sn9_, yep
[10:05] <Mo42> yes, only breezy
[10:05] <ogra> you can file bugs on hoary too... but it very much depends if it gets solved
[10:05] <Mo42> it's about gnome-art, which is not included in hoary
[10:06] <ogra> Mo42, the wallpaper downloading thonie ?
[10:06] <ogra> thingie
[10:06] <Mo42> yes..
[10:06] <ogra> Mo42, ask seb128 in ubuntu-devel, he probably wants to package it
[10:07] <bddebian> sn9_: But the package current depends on python2.3-psyco.  Hmm, but it is arch: all.  Does that mean, that is wrong also?
[10:07] <Mo42> it has already been packaged? its in universe already
[10:07] <ogra> oh
[10:07] <ogra> sorry then
[10:07] <ogra> file the bug :) and dont listen to me :)
[10:07] <Mo42> but there seems to be a dependency missing
[10:07] <ogra> Mo42, on what ?
[10:08] <Mo42> it does not run if librexml-ruby is not installed
[10:08] <ogra> eek, its ruby ?
[10:08] <Mo42> yes..
[10:08] <ogra> now i know why its not in main :)
[10:09] <sn9_> bddebian: according to packages.ubuntu.com, -psyco is i386-only, so anything that's "all" best not depend on it
[10:09] <Mo42> on debian unstable, libglade2-ruby depends on librexml-ruby, not gnome-art directly
[10:09] <ogra> ah...
[10:09] <ogra> yes, the package is very odd...
[10:09] <ogra> i'm just looking at it
[10:10] <SloMoSnail> ogra: and while you're at it... libgda2-ruby and libgtkglext1-ruby also have missing binary dependencies but a simple rebuild should do ;)
[10:11] <ogra> SloMoSnail, all these ruby packages have fixed depends and build depends... its a mess...
[10:11] <ogra> normally i refuse to touch ruby crack at all
[10:13] <SloMoSnail> won't it be possible to write something like dh_python for ruby which puts the depends in automatically?
[10:13] <ogra> yes, thats whats missing...
[10:18] <bddebian> Would dh_python be better for zope-speedpack et al do you think?
[10:19] <ogra> bddebian, try it.... maintaining packages is driven by boring rebuilds ;)
[10:22] <bddebian> ogra: ??
[10:22] <\sh> ogra: lol
[10:23] <bddebian> Hmm, how do I test a .deb in pbuilder?
[10:24] <ogra> bddebian, i try it in my main system (which is not right) set up a chroot is the alternative
[10:25] <bddebian> Hmm, maybe I'm not so off.  I usually test everything right in my main environment too :)
[10:26] <ogra> yes, but you'll never really know if the deps match then ;) because it might be that the missing dep is already installed
[10:27] <bddebian> Bah :-)
[10:34] <\sh> bddebian: every two days a complete new chroot is good :)
[10:35] <bddebian> You guys are killing me here.. :)
[10:35] <Nafallo> \sh: for what? :-)
[10:36] <Nafallo> hmm
[10:36] <Nafallo> as I said earlier... pbuilder login is your friend :-)
[10:36] <Nafallo> no need to replace chroots, they will do that themselves when you logout :-)
[10:40] <\sh> Nafallo: well...old school ,-)
[10:41] <Nafallo> \sh: *s*
[10:43] <bddebian> Nafallo: But if I did that, how would I get my .deb file over?
[10:44] <Nafallo> bddebian: I do it the \sh way :-)
[10:44] <Nafallo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalAptGetRepositories
[10:44] <bddebian> Ahhhh, nice
[10:45] <bddebian> Damn, tooo much to learn :-)
[10:45] <\sh> bddebian: my exp is yours
[10:45] <Nafallo> bddebian: naah, set it up and it's working ;-)
[10:45] <\sh> Nafallo: thx for reading it actually ,-)
[10:46] <Nafallo> \sh: you mean using it? we should have  a hook for uploading built stuff btw ;-)
[10:47] <Nafallo> directly from pbuilder that is :-)
[10:49] <\sh> Nafallo: actually...my server is full (no mem anymore :() so sbuild has to w8 for mark :)
[10:50] <Nafallo> I was actually talking about a pbuilder hook to dput local stuff :-)
[10:50] <\sh> and revu needs really some love
[10:50] <\sh> Nafallo: oh...hmmm
[10:50] <\sh> yes
[10:56] <bddebian> Can I use dpkg to install the deb but resolve the dependencies from sources.list?
[10:57] <Nafallo> bddebian: that's why I prefer the solution on that wikipage :-)
[10:57] <bddebian> Nafallo: Yeah but I already have my chroot now and I'm supposed to be working.. ;-P
[10:57] <Nafallo> hehe
[10:57] <ogra> AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH
[10:57] <Nafallo> ogra: hi :-)
[10:58] <ogra>  debian/rules clean
[10:58] <ogra> dh_testdir
[10:58] <ogra> ruby1.8 extconf.rb
[10:58] <ogra> extconf.rb:9:in `require': no such file to load -- mkmf (LoadError)
[10:58] <ogra>         from extconf.rb:9
[10:58] <ogra> make: *** [configure-stamp]  Error 1
[10:58] <ogra> who the f*ck invented this ill language
[10:59] <ogra> this packages are as silly as you can build a package
[11:03] <ogra> the rules file is written in ruby....
[11:04] <\sh> what?
[11:04] <ogra> make calls ruby and ruby calls the commands
[11:04] <SloMoSnail> wtf?! next time i'll write my rules in brainfuck :)
[11:05] <ogra> would be fine with me, if it wouldt do that already in the clean target...
[11:05] <ogra> just to build a source package you have to install all this crap
[11:06] <ogra> s/wouldt/wouldnt
[11:06] <comadreja> how do I reupload a package to revu ?
[11:07] <SloMoSnail> comadreja: remove the .upload file and upload it like before
[11:07] <comadreja> without changing the name... of course, just a word of changes :)
[11:07] <pef_aw> night !
[11:07] <comadreja> oops, that easy. Thanks :)
[11:08] <ogra> comadreja, but never ever do that to uploads.ubuntu.com
[11:08] <comadreja> taking note...
[11:08] <ogra> :)
[11:08] <comadreja> I don't have upload privs anyway
[11:09] <ogra> comadreja, but you're on your way, arent you ?
[11:11] <comadreja> ogra: hope so, I'm doing my best
[11:11] <Nafallo> ogra: hehe. you're unstoppable ;-)
[11:11] <ogra> you do , really...
[11:11] <comadreja> :)
[11:24] <|rockinnerd|> Can anyone here look @ my wikipage to see if i'll be accepted at tomorrow's Council meeting? <http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChristopherCmolik>  Any critique is appreciated
[11:29] <|rockinnerd|> I apologize for asking an all-to-often asked question, too
[11:30] <bddebian> Well time to head home.  Catch you all later.
[11:36] <seth_k> |rockinnerd|: what have you done to contribute to Ubuntu specifically?
[11:37] <Nafallo> hmm
[11:40] <|rockinnerd|> seth_k, nothing, yet
[11:40] <seth_k> |rockinnerd|: that's a very important prerequisite to applying for membership.
[11:41] <|rockinnerd|> oh... well, what do you suggest that i do?
[11:41] <seth_k> there are plenty of ways to get involved
[11:42] <|rockinnerd|> so i dont have to be accepted to get involved? only with MOTU?
[11:42] <seth_k> supporting in the forums and IRC, writing docs for the wiki, filing and testcasing bugs, packaging and backporting,
[11:42] <seth_k> no, anyone can get involved, even with MOTU
[11:42] <|rockinnerd|> only with MOTU i have to be accepted?
[11:42] <ogra> or just some artwork ;)
[11:42] <seth_k> of course you cannot become a MOTU until you are a member
[11:42] <|rockinnerd|> ah.
[11:42] <seth_k> but REVU is open to anyone
[11:42] <|rockinnerd|> what's revu?
[11:43] <ogra> |rockinnerd|, first become a member, then do some packaging work we can judge... then become MOTU :)
[11:43] <seth_k> it's a system to which you can upload your packages for Ubuntu, and MOTUs will review them for inclusion in Ubuntu
[11:43] <seth_k> see /topic for revu info
[11:43] <|rockinnerd|> ah. thank you.
[11:43] <seth_k> I started by supporting in #kubuntu and #ubuntu, and by backporting apps from Breezy to Hoary
[11:44] <|rockinnerd|> define supporting
[11:44] <seth_k> and getting to know the team of devs and MOTUs
[11:44] <|rockinnerd|> like tech support?
[11:44] <seth_k> tech support. There are plenty of new users about
[11:44] <|rockinnerd|> ah.
[11:44] <ogra> a wiki howto page would do it as well... or even better helping with a transition (we have plenty of them currently)
[11:45] <seth_k> so there are all sorts of ways to contribute. But contributing is something you do before becoming a member, to prove yourself, not after ;)
[11:45] <|rockinnerd|> has a windows to linux migration guide been done?
[11:45] <seth_k> lots of wiki howto pages! make us lots! :P
[11:45] <seth_k> not to my knowledge, no
[11:45] <ogra> |rockinnerd|, tere is some pre work on the wiki
[11:45] <|rockinnerd|> ray_ how do i change the root password?
[11:45] <|rockinnerd|> |rockinnerd| ray_, sudo passwd
[11:46] <ogra> |rockinnerd|, some guy has done really great resaerches, must be on the wiki anywhere
[11:46] <|rockinnerd|> ^^ my first support case :-)
[11:46] <ogra> EEEK
[11:46] <tseng> EEEEEEK
[11:46] <seth_k> EEEEEEEEEEK
[11:46] <ogra> just use sudo :)
[11:46] <seth_k> well we won't kill you this time
[11:46] <|rockinnerd|> well, he specifically asked
[11:46] <seth_k> but http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:46] <sn9_> sudo passwd -L
[11:47] <ogra> if users still need root, we need to improve sudo... not revert to the old crap ;)
[11:47] <seth_k> are you a Kubuntu or Ubuntu guy, |rockinnerd|
[11:47] <ogra> heh, what a question
[11:47] <|rockinnerd|> Ubuntu with KDE, so both i guess
[11:47] <seth_k> haha
[11:47] <seth_k> it's all marketing anyways ogra
[11:48] <ogra> seth_k, i stopped to distinguish :)
[11:48] <sn9_> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop
[11:48] <ogra> at least since i have to build edubuntu :-/
[11:48] <seth_k> hehe
[11:49] <tseng> man today was one of those days where I worked straight through
[11:49] <tseng> i didnt goof off once
[11:58] <|rockinnerd|> ok, i added to a wiki, just as a first step https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[11:59] <seth_k> you need not label your changes, they are picked up by MoinMoin.
[11:59] <|rockinnerd|> ive been burned where it's bolded.
[11:59] <Burgundavia> |rockinnerd|, can you join #ubuntu-doc please?
[11:59] <|rockinnerd|> just doing whatever other people have been doing, but i wasn't aware of that fact.
[12:00] <|rockinnerd|> I apologize if i'm trolling
[12:00] <seth_k> you're not :)
[12:00] <seth_k> we're glad you're interested in helping
[12:00] <|rockinnerd|> ^^ directed twoards Burgundavia
[12:01] <seth_k> grumble Riddell, kde-devel depends kde-core, kdesdk, kdelibs4-dev, kdebase-dev, libkonq4-dev, but can't be installed
[12:01] <|rockinnerd|> s/twoards/towards
[12:01] <SloMoSnail> is someone here who wants to take a look at http://yggdrasil.sytes.net/files/debdiff/ ? these 3 debdiffs are for UniverseUnmetDeps packages and really simple... ogra maybe? ;)