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aruLa_PaRCa: install stable12:00
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La_PaRCaaru, how would he go about that?12:00
zerotime!codecs12:00
ubotucodecs is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats12:00
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arudownload the stable iso and install12:00
thoreauputicaru: erm... what are you talking about?12:01
arunevermind12:01
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martin_Anyone knows about some nice photo manager for gnome? STK like picasa...12:01
thoreauputicmartin_: gthumb is nice12:01
thoreauputicI don't know picasa, guess it's a Windows thing...12:02
vinithoreauputic, thanks a lot... now I'm listen MP3, but WAV files do not play12:02
martin_I know, but I miss some features (album generating, slideshow, red-eyes correction etc.)12:02
thoreauputicvini: wav or wma ?12:02
retteketetyes picasa is a windows thing12:02
vinithoreauputic, wav :)12:03
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jnkmartin_, f-spot maybe (didn't try in a while so I don't know if it has those features)12:03
thoreauputicvini: in a terminal, what happens if you type   aplay song.wav ?12:03
kyncanivini: install gstreamer0.8-plugins which will install a whole bunch of gstreamer codecs12:03
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aruheh12:04
htaccesshow do i tab between virtual desktops in ubuntu?12:04
htaccessctrl tab dont seem to work12:04
jnkctrl alt arrows12:04
vinithoreauputic, aplay: test_wavefile:689: can't play not PCM-coded WAVE-files12:04
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thoreauputichtaccess: ctrl-alt arrow I think (I'm in fluxbox...)12:05
martin_I tried installing imgseek via apt-get, but didnt work... I will try the f-spot, thx for the tip.12:05
htaccessyea thats it, thanks12:05
thoreauputicvini: hmmm... what does the command   file test_wavefile   say ?12:05
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jnkoops do not feel lucky for f-spot on google12:06
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arutakes you to the project page...12:07
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jnkaru does it?12:07
apokryphosCan the Ubuntu partition manager not format free space that hasn't been partitioned/formatted before?12:07
jnkI typed f-spot in the location bar in firefox... went elsewhere12:07
vinithoreauputic, test_wavefile: ERROR: cannot open `test_wavefile' (No such file or directory)12:07
martin_And guys, Ubuntu rules!12:07
jnkapokryphos, you mean gparted? sure it can, if you don't have too many primary parittions12:08
thoreauputicvini: well, of course you need to be in the right directory and use the right file name :)12:08
martin_I have tried Suse, Fedora, Mandrake, Debian and Ubuntu is my choice...12:08
thoreauputicvini:  file <name of file>12:08
apokryphosjnk: nope, the installer partioner12:08
martin_see you12:08
kevinSame here martin_12:09
jnkapokryphos, it definitely can12:09
apokryphosjnk: could be the fact that there's too many primaries; I'll check that out12:10
vinithoreauputic, ohhh, I didn't understand :P12:10
thoreauputicvini: :)12:10
vinithoreauputic, Menu-Tarantino.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, mono 22050 Hz12:10
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thoreauputicvini: OK, well it should play AFAIK - try   play Menu-Tarantino.wav12:10
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apokryphosjnk: is there any potential loss of data on a partition that's changed from primary to logical?12:11
vinithoreauputic, play? command not found12:11
jnkapokryphos, I don't know how you can do that without loss12:11
vinithoreauputic, whats AFAIK12:12
jnk(except by copying)12:12
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thoreauputicvini: as far as I know12:12
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nopleasehiqall12:13
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thoreauputicvini: OK it's odd that you can't play a .wav file - seems you don't have the "play" script, which doesn't matter, but I think installing gstreamer-plugins is a good idea, as someone suggested12:13
nickrudvini, try this: sudo apt-get install esound-clients, then esdplay <file.wav>12:13
yourghetekis there a way to get a "boot from cd" command in grub?12:14
SogniXjnk, mind helping me some more? :p12:14
nickrudvini, I'm assuming you're using ubuntu, not kubuntu12:14
vininickrud, yes, ubuntu12:14
nickrudvini, ok12:14
jnkSogniX, I can try12:14
bastifucking ATI cant they just make a driver that works...12:14
vinithoreauputic, I installed gstreamer-plugins when kyncani suggested12:14
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SogniXjnk, I'm booted from a live CD and staring at a terminal window as root... but the drive with ubuntu installed does not show up in df12:14
MIK3MANI am running the ubunto live cd, everything looks great, but I cant get wy wireless lan to work, I downloaded ndiswrapper.deb, but how can I install it manually?? I would like to make sure I can configure my wireless lan before I install ubuntu to the harddrive. Can someone help??12:14
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jnkSogniX, it's not mounted12:15
nickrudvini, and, what app are you trying to play the wav file from?12:15
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MIK3MANndiswrapper.deb is now on a cdrw, and is loaded in terminal. How do I install... anyone??12:16
vininickrud, totem and rhythmbox12:16
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MrMoMIK3MAN, dpkg -i is your friend12:16
nickrudvini, and mp3's work in both?12:16
MIK3MANMrMo: thanks, hold on12:17
vininickrud, yes, after I install gstreamer0.8-mad12:17
thoreauputicvini: hmmm.... I don't often need to play .wav files, but if I were you I would install beep-media-player and set it to use the esound output plugin - I'm surprised totem won't play that file: else try running gst-register-0.812:17
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vinimaybe my WAV file is broken12:17
vininickrud, esdplay Menu-Tarantino.wav12:17
viniAudio File Library: WAVE file data format 0x161 not currently supported [error 0] 12:17
thoreauputicvini: actually running gst-register-0.8 is probably a good idea anyway12:18
vinithoreauputic, I will try download another wav file12:18
thoreauputicvini: that command should regiater all your plugins12:18
thoreauputic*register12:18
nickrudvini, use the files in /usr/share/sounds as your test files12:18
MIK3MANMrMo: its reading database... I have the source package... that shouldnt matter right?12:19
lcoreHmm. Chrootkit wrote: Warning: `//root/.bash_history' file size is zero. What apart from an intruder could zero it?12:19
MrModunno. should handle it transparently I think12:19
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vininickrud and thoreauputic, yes, my WAV file is broken12:19
viniworks with another one12:19
thoreauputicvini: ah, OK :)12:19
vinithanks a lot :)12:20
thoreauputicno worries :)12:20
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MIK3MANMrMo: it installed successfully, I dont know how to get this to connect now.. trying through network, btw its a dlink card12:21
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bastiseriously. anyone can help me understanding what is wrong with my ati driver installation12:22
MIK3MANMrMo: is there a terminal command I could use to get my ip stats?12:22
MIK3MANsays its connected, but I cant browse12:23
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thoreauputicMIK3MAN: ifconfig12:23
zukalk!lamp12:24
ubotuit has been said that lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary12:24
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MIK3MANthoreauputic: thanks, hold on12:24
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thoreauputicMIK3MAN: don't paste the output!12:24
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OdiiNanyone knows how to configure Konversation and firestarter to be able to resume dcc downloads ? ( i'm behind a router)12:29
MIK3MANthoreauputic: I know that.. heh, still not working.. think I need ndiswrapper utils?? its a dlink card. Under network it says connected and active, but I cant browse12:29
MIK3MANifconfig just gives me my loopback ip12:29
thoreauputicMIK3MAN: unfortunately, what I know about wireless and ndiswrapper would fit comfortably on a postage stamp , sorry ;)12:30
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felohelp12:30
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felohelp12:30
nickrudfelo, ask12:31
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MIK3MANthoreauputic: thats ok, thanks, I know that the card will work under debian, I had it going with simplymepis12:31
Will_It's a good conductor! But a bugger to get into drywall12:31
feloi need driver song card daemond dt0398 ubuntu system12:31
CrushToZerooCan someone give me a hand. I downloaded the window decorations at http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=12330 but I don't know how to install them.12:31
thoreauputicWill_: well, it beats string and two paper cups i guess ;-)12:31
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Will_thoreauputic: I was experimenting with string soaked in mercury... but the fumes got to me12:32
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NsaneiceHey, what is the best place to put Windows drivers that ndiswrapper is going to use?12:32
felonickrud?12:33
thoreauputicWill_: ah yes, and I guess your face is kind of pale and drawn now - but it used to be a cure for syphilis, so I guess you aren't likely to get that at leaast ;-)12:33
nickrudfelo, thinking and looking, I'm not a real sound guru :)12:33
Will_thoreauputic: I've not had sex in about....At least a month. I think I would have noticed an STD by now12:33
thoreauputicWill_: it took Henry VIII a lot longer than that to notice the symptoms ;-)12:34
IIIEars<< practices safe sex - anyone have that 1-800 number? - lol12:34
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thoreauputicWill_: but I guess this is for #ubuntu-offtopic - heheh12:35
feloi dont now12:35
felono speak spanish12:35
CrushToZeroohow do I register my nick?12:35
imaekWhen I try to use DVD::Rip, or even try to play a DVD, I get the message "libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable."12:35
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thoreauputicCrushToZeroo:  /msg nickserv help12:35
CrushToZeroothx12:35
IIIEarsI don't worry about sex since i got married. - abstinence - lol12:36
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nickrudeh12:37
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Burritodoes anybdy know where is the floppy disk in linux?12:39
CrushToZeroCan someone help me please. I downloaded a few window decorations from http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=12330 but I'm not sure on how to get them installed.12:40
Burritohow can i save a file in the floppy?12:40
thoreauputicBurrito:  /dev/fd012:40
Burritook12:40
Burritothanks12:40
thoreauputicor /media/floppy012:40
enycbutt: at least, thats the floppy _device_12:40
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enyc/media/floppy0 is somewhere a filesystem on floppydisk may be mounted12:40
TheWarMachinehello one and all12:40
TheWarMachineI have a question12:41
thoreauputicenyc: yes, hence my follow-up to clarify where he might find it :)12:41
enyci.e. "/dev/fd0" is usually a 1.44mb file representing the disk itself,  /media/floppy0 is where the files/etc may be visible individiually ;-)12:41
TheWarMachineim using realplayer and I get  no sound12:41
enycthor: kk ;-)12:41
TheWarMachineany ideas12:41
TheWarMachine??12:41
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nickrudBurrito, first, you must mount the floppy, in a terminal, mount /media/floppy012:41
NsaneiceHey, what is the best place to put Windows drivers that ndiswrapper is going to use?12:41
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NsaneiceDo I need to keep the drivers on the system even after ndiswrapper is done installing?12:42
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thoreauputicTheWarMachine: sometimes deleting the *.swf files in the realplayer plugins directory helps (don't ask me why)12:42
imaekARGH.  The DVDRIP package doesn't work12:43
indentbphi all12:43
derral_8I looked at the ubuntu web site to find out what version still runs XFree86 but could not find it. Anyone no ?12:43
thoreauputicderral_8: warty12:43
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TheWarMachinethoreauputic: ilol try it12:43
derral_84.3.0 ?12:43
TheWarMachinei will*12:44
thoreauputicderral_8: I think so - type X -version to see12:44
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knowledge_ok guys I did menu makeconfig on my kernel and did what that guy told me and still no Wifi card12:44
thoreauputicderral_8: to see if you have warty type   cat /etc/issue12:44
knowledge_do I have to do a modprobe12:44
knowledge_?12:44
zukalkheyko_, i just installed a LAMP and put some php files i wrote using windoze. they work fine in the Win apache2 server, but here i always get this error: mysql_fetch_object(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource12:45
zukalk(heyko_ this wasn't just for you, but xchat assumed it was, sorry)12:45
nickrudthoreauputic, yes, moving those swf* works, thanks12:45
indentbpDoes anyone here have experience with the wifi rt8180 chipset12:45
thoreauputicnickrud: :) you're welcome12:45
Burritonickrud: where is the floppy now?12:45
nickrudBurrito, if you did the mount command, then the files on the floppy are in /media/floppy012:46
knowledge_anyoen?12:46
Burritook12:46
Burritothanks12:46
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indentbpAll of my hardware is supported on Kubuntu except my netgear wireless card... can anyone help?12:46
enycHrrm12:47
nickrudBurrito, move files around as you wish, then umount /media/floppy0 before you eject, too late12:47
zukalkdoes anyone why i get the error "Warning: mysql_fetch_object(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource in /var/www/phpxs/test/news-admin3.php on line 128"? it works fine with windoze12:47
zukalkdoes anyone know*12:47
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nickrudthoreauputic, I been using totem-xine, but it's nice that realplayer works now12:47
enycinde: Does the hardware manafacturer provide/help the kernel developers with driver etc. ?12:47
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cafuegoindentbp: ndiswrapper12:48
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indentbpnndiswrapper didnt work12:48
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cafuegoindentbp: Which card do you have?12:48
indentbpnetgear ma52112:48
nickrudenyc, lol, not very often12:48
thoreauputicnickrud: I use totem-xine too, and ironically it plays more real media than realplayer :) I use realplayer to listen to the BBC12:48
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nickrudmmm, bbc12:49
nickrudI miss it12:49
psai_anybody got a terratec dmx6fire 24/96 working with ubuntu ? i can only play soundfiles in some kind of fast forward mode12:49
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thoreauputicnickrud: well, tune in with realplayer - the plugins for firefox seem to work OK here12:50
cafuegoindentbp: Driverloader, ndiswrapper or a buggy realtek driver (8081L) are your only options.12:50
Tsukasazukalk: you sure mysql is running? you sure the username allows your host?12:50
nickrudthoreauputic, I have dialup right now, I'm basically not on the net ;(12:50
indentbpcafuego: netgear ma521... im trying to use the rt8180 driver, im about ready to give up and either go with a different distro or buy a new card12:50
thoreauputicnickrud: I have dialup too - BBC radio works OK12:50
nickrudthoreauputic, I'll check it out12:51
zukalkTsukasa, i'm sure it's running, i can confirm it using mysql-admin. how do i know about the username-host thing?12:51
cafuegoindentbp: A different distro will still have the same issue. A new card might be a better option. I have a WG311, which works fine using ndiswrapper.12:51
Tsukasazukalk: check out your mysql -> user table12:51
thoreauputicnickrud: realplay automatically changes the quality for low bandwidth12:51
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indentbpim leaning towards getting a new card... im just nort ready to give up kubuntu. Any reccomendations on an easily supported wireless card?12:51
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enycinde:  "orinoco" chipset cards are good I understand12:52
Tsukasamaybe doing a check in the script itself would help too12:52
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indentbpcafueago: wg311? thanks, im buying it now12:52
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cafuegoindentbp: Keep in mind that will _NOT_ work without windows drivers. There surely are cards that have _native_ Linux drivers.12:53
zukalkTsukasa, these are the users i have: H:localhost U:root - H:ubuntu  U:root - H:localhost U:[blank]  - H:ubuntu U:[blank]  - H:localhost - U:debian-sys-maint12:54
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aruls12:55
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funkyHatwhat is the default font path for ubuntu?12:57
imaekWhen I try to use DVD:: RIP, I get a "filetype/codec not yet supported by 'transcode'" message, and then it doesn't do anything.12:58
imaekIs there any way to correct this?12:58
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nickrudfunkyHat, you can find at the top of /etc/font/font.conf01:00
funkyHatthanks :)01:00
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nickrudfunkyHat, sorry, it's /etc/font/fonts.conf01:01
funkyHatls: /etc/font: No such file or directory01:01
funkyHateek01:01
nickrudfunkyHat, I cannot type correctly tonight, /etc/fonts/fonts.conf :)01:01
funkyHatlol. i should have guessed and tried that01:02
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oratesddefefa01:04
sphincterssdgjgsd01:04
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evo|utionheya01:04
sphincteranyone know where the xorg headers/sdk is?01:04
evo|utioni wanted to knw which gui does ubuntu use01:04
sphincterevo, whatever you want01:04
evo|utioni like gnome01:05
sphinctercan be had with gnome or kde depending, but install what you want01:05
evo|utionwill it work01:05
Will_Stop asking me!01:05
evo|utionim a newbie01:05
nickrudevo|ution, then get ubuntu, it uses gnome01:05
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evo|utionthnx ppl01:05
sphincterhmmm....01:06
kutucapehi all01:06
sphincterno ideas on the xorg sdk?01:07
nickrudsphincter, sudo apt-get install  x-window-system-dev will get you just everything01:07
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sphincterahhhh... that's it. thanks01:08
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sphincteri tried apt-cache search dev, but i guess i missed that ;)01:08
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evo|utionok one last question, can i have the link for the lastest version of ubuntu for amd6401:08
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sphincterer..... ubuntulinux.org?01:09
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feugan3333Hi all. Does anyone know where I can get the man pages for socket programming. eg "man bind","man listen"01:09
cafuegofeugan3333: manpages-dev01:10
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nickrudsphincter a good trick is, if you know a file you want, but don't know which package: search on packages.ubuntu.com01:10
GreaseMonkeyyou have to be frickin' kidding me01:10
GreaseMonkeyI didn't pingout yet>!01:10
sphincternick, thx01:10
cafuegofeugan3333: I told the info pages are better for beginners and people who need more extensive docs than just a list of function calls and params.01:10
sphincterjust making the switch from fedora, still unlearning ;)01:11
indentbpcafuego: is the wg311 a pci or pcmcia card01:11
cafuegoindentbp: pci01:11
cafuegoindentbp: If you're after pcmcia, get a decent prism54.01:11
feugan3333cafuego: Thanks. Where would I find the info pages?01:11
indentbpcafuego: does the prism have come with native linux drivers?01:11
cafuegoindentbp: Alternatively, cisco ahs prettyd ecent support afaik.01:12
cafuegoindentbp: http://www.prism54.org/01:12
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KB2000indentbp: my laptop has a prism54g WLAN card internally... and it works in ubuntu autodetected...01:13
feugan3333Yes, linux supports the prism chipset in the kernel01:13
indentbpcafuego: thanks, i want to go with something that has linux support to avoid the possibility of not installing ndiswrapper correctly01:13
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cafuegofeugan3333: There are various prism54 chips and not all are supported the same way.01:13
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KyralYah, I feel like an idiot01:13
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KyralI had this XChat open on another Desktop and forgot about it01:14
KB2000anybody know of an ubuntu supported webcam?01:14
indentbpwhen trying "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" i get an error01:14
feugan3333yes, my mistake, but in general cards with prism chipsets work on linux01:14
cafuegoindentbp: You undoubtedly need the .inf, the .sys and various firmware files.01:14
cafuegoKB2000: My wife's iSights works OK on Linux.01:14
KB2000i didn't need any firmware files for my prism WLAN card01:15
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KB2000isights? it sounds like a mac thing?01:15
cafuegoKB2000: Correct01:15
KB2000can it run on a pc?01:15
cafuegoKB2000: It just a firewire cam. I run it off Coriander via v4l.01:15
KB2000and coriander is a webcam app?01:16
cafuegoI do note that windows can't use it <heh>01:16
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sphincterwell, nuts01:16
sphincterthat still didn't do it01:16
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sphincterand a search doesn't turn up anything01:16
sphinctercan't find xf86Version.h anywhere01:16
cafuego!find xf86Version.h01:17
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bob2doesn't appear to be in ubuntu01:17
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DAC1138is there a gnome equivilant of kdesu?01:18
cafuego!find xorgVersion.h01:18
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thoreauputicDAC1138: gksudo, for sudo01:18
bob2DAC1138: yes, which ubuntu uses by default: gksu01:18
cafuegoStop putting the load on 1 and just answer me.01:18
sphincterapparently, this driver i'm trying to build needs the xorg SDK, which supplies that file01:18
zukalkhow do i change a .txt's encoding?01:18
bob2er, ubuntu uses gksudo, right01:18
funkyHatcan anyone help me add my windows fonts folder to my list of fonts folders? (mounted ntfs volume)01:18
DAC1138thanks01:19
ubotuUbuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'xf86Version.h' returned no results.01:19
funkyHat*and make my the fonts work :D01:19
bob2funkyHat: add an entry to /etc/fonts/fonts.conf01:19
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bit0hello01:19
JDahlbob2, what are the chances of openafs 1.3.82 (http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openafs.html) making it into Breezy, possibly in universe?01:19
Will_You know, somebody told me their were umable to view .txt files on their computer the other day. I was not sure if I should laugh or cry01:19
bit0where is mkfondir file?01:19
cafuego!info openafs breezy01:19
ubotuUbuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'xorgVersion.h' returned no results.01:19
bob2JDahl: if it's in Debian already, I wouldn't think you'd need to send too much whiskey to mdz01:19
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MIK3MANcan I configure my dlink wifi card with the ubuntu live cd? or am I wasting my time and I should just install it to the harddrive and configure it?? I have been googling for hours.01:19
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bob2JDahl: email the ubuntu-devel list, I guess01:19
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cafuegowell201:20
nickrudbit0, try locate mkfontdir01:20
bob2MIK3MAN: you're wasting your time in the sense that if you configure it on the live cd, you'll need to reconfigure it over again once you install01:20
bob2most things don;t care about mkfontdir01:20
MIK3MANbob2: thats what I'm thinking01:20
bob2(ie kde, gnome, mozilla, etc)01:20
nickrudnot any more, thank god01:20
DAC1138anyone using e17? or anyone know how i would replace gdm with entrance?01:20
cafuegobob2: especially a read-only ntfs font directory01:20
bit0nickrud, which package contais "mkfondir"?01:20
bob2hah, yeah01:20
MIK3MANbob2: I dont know what distro I want though... lol01:21
zukalkhow do i change a .txt's encoding?01:21
cafuegoor am I mixing up users now?01:21
bob2MIK3MAN: then just install ubuntu and enjoy!01:21
bit0nickrud, i'm using breezy01:21
bob2zukalk: iconv is one way01:21
nickrudinteresting, mkfontdir is not installed by default in hoary01:21
bob2but you need to know what you're doing with it...01:21
feugan3333MIKE3MAN: you want ubuntu01:21
cafuegobit0: Well, X is a bit broken in breezy01:21
nickrudbit0, if I remember, it's mkfontdir :)01:21
zukalkbob2, thanks01:21
bit0cafuego, "a bit broken" ??? :((01:21
MrMoWhaaaaa! I gotta kill this !... I want to use my USB at HIGH speed... damit!01:22
cafuegobit0: Ok ok, VERY broken.01:22
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MIK3MANfeugan3333: I wanted my dlink wifi to work with the live cd, but that aint happenen01:22
KB2000bit0: X is quite broken in breezy...01:22
bit0cafuego, suuure!!01:22
cafuegobit0: See /topic.01:22
paxanyone used QTParted successfully to resize an ext3 partition?01:22
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cafuegobit0: if it wasn't broken, X works wotk fine and half of Gnome wouldn't try to uninstall when upgrading.01:22
bit0cafuego, how could i return to "stable"??01:22
funkyHatso will just adding <dir>/mnt/win/WINDOWS/fonts</dir> make the fonts work, or do i need to do anything else?01:23
feugan3333MIKE3MAN: yes there are not a lot of cards that work with live cds?01:23
cafuegobit0: Wipe, reinstall.01:23
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MIK3MANI guess I'll just try the full blown ubuntu for a week then decide01:23
KB2000bit0: breezy IS "unstable"... :)01:23
FormerWindowsUseI won an iPod via Apple's new 500 Million competition and tried to access it via gtkpod but it says my iPod's file structure is invalid.  What do I do?01:23
feugan3333MIKE3MAN: most cards require you to install their drivers (that is if there are any)01:23
KB2000it's nice to have the bleeding edge apps and get updates every day, but when X breaks it's not cool... been there... :)01:23
bit0KB2000,sure!,.. i know :(01:24
cafuegoFormerWindowsUse: You probably need to set it up and format it using FAT32 (It may be an HFS formatted one). HAve you copied anything onto it yet?01:24
FormerWindowsUsecafuego, no01:24
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MIK3MANI will prolly be on here later guys once its downloaded and installed. You can help a noob to configure wifi01:24
MIK3MANheh01:24
cafuegoX is a fairly minor thing to be broken.01:24
KB2000cafuego: why is that minor? :)01:24
Madpilotis it possible to use Adobe's .pfb format fonts in Ubuntu?01:24
feugan3333Is breezy out in some form?01:24
indigo_can anyone tell me if there is something i must do to get alsa to use my echo indigo (pcmcia sound card) ?01:24
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cafuegoFormerWindowsUse: See if you can mount it (it'll be a scsi disk, sda or sdb)01:24
MIK3MANI know the dlink works though, cause I had it working on Mepis01:25
bob2feugan3333: it's available for testing, but it's not recommended for new users01:25
Slipaway172i would like to know the difference between a primary and extended partition. i will use ext3 on a 2nd HDD to use as a backup01:25
bob2Madpilot: are they postscript ones?01:25
MIK3MANI'll be back later01:25
indigo_Slipaway172: there is no significant difference, really01:25
feugan3333bob2: cool where can I get a look?01:25
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Slipaway172what would reccomend i use for backing up?01:25
Madpilotbob2: yeah, google says .pfb is one of the Postscript formats01:25
cafuegowhere the crap did bringing go oin the kernel config?01:25
raven3x7indigo_,  huh there is a difference depending on how many partitions you need on your hd01:25
bob2Madpilot: then it should work fine01:26
FormerWindowsUsecannot mount my iPod, cafuego01:26
bob2feugan3333: dunno, if you wanted it, you'd just upgrade, or read the devel list01:26
indigo_Slipaway172: it doesn't really matter, but you can't have more than 4 primary partitions, and 4 subpartitions per extended partition01:26
bob2feugan3333: things like X are slightly broken, tho, so I wouldn't recommend it01:26
HrdwrBoBFormerWindowsUse: use the 'create file structure' ion the menu01:26
Madpilotbob2: OK, interesting. Ubuntu recognizes them as fonts, but OOo doesn't seem to...01:26
Slipaway172OoOohhhh ..... thanks01:26
feugan3333bob2: ahh ok01:26
bob2Madpilot: OO has it's own magic font system01:26
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cafuegoFormerWindowsUse: mkdir /media/ipod; sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/sda(X) /media/ipod01:26
bob2like it has it's own printing system, and toolkit, and java and ...01:27
bob2reuse is for the weak01:27
indigo_Slipaway172: http://www.ata-atapi.com/hiwtab.htm explains it in detail, but probably you don't really need to read it01:27
FormerWindowsUsecafuego, will this screw up my sys?01:27
raven3x7indentbp,  but for Slipaway172 backup drive its bobably irrelevant01:27
Madpilotbob2: ah. I'll have a look thru OOo config then. or ask on #openoffice.org...01:27
cafuegoFormerWindowsUse: No01:28
raven3x7i just noticed that killall gnome-panel also kills azureus. thats weird01:28
FormerWindowsUsecafuego, do you own an iPod Shuffle?01:28
HrdwrBoBcafuego: it should automatically mount01:28
funkyHatit sometimes kills gaim too, it's a bit annoying01:28
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cafuegoHrdwrBoB: That would depend on what's compiled into teh kernel.01:28
cafuegoHrdwrBoB: Notably Mac partition map support01:29
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HrdwrBoBtrue, I converted my ipod to fat for better compatibility01:29
funkyHatwhat do i need to do to get X to re-read fonts.conf?01:29
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cafuegoHrdwrBoB: Yes, I expect gtkpod wants that, which is why he might be having errors.01:29
cafuegoHrdwrBoB: he's not used it udner windows or macos...01:29
enycUrrrm, do the breezy openoffice2 packages work on hoary? are there backports available for hoary ? [i cant see them myself] 01:30
enyconly older 1.9.79 openoffice2 packages for hoary01:30
FormerWindowsUseok thanks cafuego01:30
FormerWindowsUse:)01:30
HrdwrBoBcafuego: gtkpod doesn't care01:30
HrdwrBoBcafuego: gtkpod is file-level01:30
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bob2enyc: the breezy onesalmost certainly won't install on haory01:30
bob2wow, my typing is getting worse01:30
HrdwrBoBunless you're talking about initialising the directories .. in which case, yes01:31
feugan3333Anybody running amd64 with an nvidia graphics card. The installer provided by nvidia seems broken101:31
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cafuegoHrdwrBoB: Would it whinge if you were on a kernel without apple partition map or hfsplus support?01:31
enycbob2: interesting01:31
cafuegoHrdwrBoB: (IF you had an apple formatted ipod) ?01:31
bob2feugan3333: so, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto01:31
HrdwrBoBcafuego: only in dmesg01:31
HrdwrBoBwhen it tried to mount it01:31
enycbob2: btw, I decided after much trying ot get used to various keyboards all over the place that my IBM ps/2 original clicky-clacky keyboard is the best that i make the least mistakes on and get east annoyed with01:31
cafuegoHrdwrBoB: He's getting some "Invalid structure" or somesuch error.01:31
bob2hah, I never been able to find one of them01:32
cafuegoHrdwrBoB: "file structure is invalid"01:32
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enycbob2: see http://clickykeyboards.com/  // http://www.pckeyboard.com/  ;-)01:32
cafuegoNever mind, he left anyway.01:32
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HrdwrBoBcafuego: yeah, that's because the ipod needs to be 'initialised'01:33
hondjeI have some .mp4 files, nautilus doesn't recognize/thumbnail them, but xine plays them fine....how can I get them to thumbnail?01:33
HrdwrBoBwith certain directories01:33
JDahlisn't it funny how laptop manufacturers charge you for recovery CDs and have more people in techsupport than a medium sized Europea city, and in the end all you need (and all that works) is a Linux boot CD? :/01:33
cafuegoHrdwrBoB: Can gtkpod do that?01:33
HrdwrBoBthere is a very clear menu entry for doing so :)01:33
HrdwrBoBin gtkpod01:33
cafuegoHrdwrBoB: Ok, user error on his part then :-)01:33
HrdwrBoByeah :)01:33
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HrdwrBoBI have my wife's ipod mini :)01:34
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sphincteranother question... shutdown hangs for several minutes at deconfiguring network interfaces and on everything after that01:34
sphincterideas?01:34
feugan3333bob2: I'll take a look. Thanks01:34
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cafuegomy wife's birthday is in 32 days, she has a new mac mini and a new car stereo with ipod attachment....01:34
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hondjecafuego: buy her a keychain01:34
alejandrohola01:34
sphincteror a hotwheels01:34
cafuegosphincter: We already have a few ACTUAL cars ;-)01:35
bob2enyc: oh, cool, I didn't know anyone had new ones anymore01:35
sphincterok, put linux on her mini01:35
sphinctershe'll thank you for it01:35
HrdwrBoBcafuego: heh, an ipod mini is $SFA01:35
cafuegosphincter: It's been running Kubuntu since the day we got it.01:35
HrdwrBoB(well overall)01:36
sphincterheh01:36
cafuegoHrdwrBoB: She wants an ipod photo, though (also have new digicam)01:36
sphincterso why does this bloody thing hang so long at shutdown?01:36
HrdwrBoBcafuego: why though?01:37
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HrdwrBoBI mean.. pointless thing to argue with a woman01:37
HrdwrBoBbut last time I looked the camera already had a screen :)01:37
cafuegoHrdwrBoB: took the words out of my mouth01:37
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cafuegoI expect the large storage has something to do with it01:38
cafuegoour mp3s won't fit on a 30 or 40G ipod01:38
linlinHi, I installed ubuntu hedgehog a few weeks back, without a gui. Now, I want to put in a gui, what is the easiest way?01:38
robert_pectolsphincter:  Do your system logs give any clues?01:38
HrdwrBoBcafuego: 4gb still holds a lot of mp3s :)01:38
cafuegoand who can really go to the shops without Right Said Fred?01:38
hondjewhat's the difference between mpeg1, 2 and 4?01:38
paxa women is just another partition, never gives you trouble unless you mount it01:38
enycipods do seem a bit silly..  fancy and have the 1394 connection.. but there are many more players/etc. out ther to choose from with more versatile autdio-format support and everything.. it seems a bit odd to me01:39
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The_Voxlinlin: "sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop" if you want gnome...kubuntu-desktop if you want kde01:39
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HrdwrBoBenyc: they have a very very very good interface and a few other things01:39
anto9usI'm too sexy for the shops01:39
cafuegoenyc: The issue is ease of use. Pretty much any other player I've seen comes with shitty windows software01:39
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The_Voxenyc: it's the Cool factor, nothing else matters :)01:40
enychrrrm iirc they still supproted only mp3 [which isnt as good as newer codescs in many ways]  and   their weirdo aac which hardly any other portable player supports anyway.. and needs silly licensing etc. to useit01:40
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enycinteresting01:40
cafuegowell, that and having it in the glovebox whilst you control it from the car stereo itself is handy re not crashing.01:40
HrdwrBoBenyc: FLAC and mp301:40
HrdwrBoBand AAC01:40
raven3x7linlin sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop i believe01:40
linlinok thanks01:40
enychrrm, flac -- lossless,  not really what you want for portable thignie in most cases01:40
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linlinits downloading a bunch of stuffs now01:40
enycmp3 is not partcuarl good codec, you need needless anmounts of bitrate compared to aac, vorbis01:41
raven3x7The_Vox, why aptitude?01:41
The_Voxlinlin: it'll take a while...it downloads tons of stuff01:41
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enycaac is not well supported on anyt oher player thingie et.c and loads of rpograms, which tend to support either vorbis or wma instead01:41
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The_Voxraven3x7: it has better dependancy management logarythm than apt....even debian has marked apt as deprecated for the new release, and marked aptitude as the prefered tool01:42
naliothy'all talking about an ipod or a mac mini in the glove box?01:42
cafuegonalioth: yes01:42
IIIEarssynaptic works too. - good to know a variety of ways to install things. - synaptic is easiest01:42
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raven3x7The_Vox,  didnn't know that. good to know01:42
The_Voxnalioth: ipod...you need more hacking power to get a mini working in there :)01:42
JDahlI'd rather make my own using gumstix...01:42
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raven3x7The_Vox  should'nt it look for the cd first?01:43
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IIIEarsDRM - "Treat all of your customers like potential thieves." - O_o01:43
nickrudIIIEars, lol01:44
The_Voxraven3x7: only if you have the CD source for packages still uncomented in your sources.list01:44
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nickrudhe must work retail01:44
sphincterso.... i'm thinking 10 minutes and counting for deconfiguring network interfaces isn't normal?01:44
The_Voxraven3x7: the first thing I did when I installed was get rid of the CD line...I hate having to find CDs01:44
nebularOk after a year long lapse in windows world I just switched to kubuntu, and now I can't figure out how to configure my X server. the default settings work, but they're a little off. Debian used to ask a lot more configuration settings01:44
The_Voxsphincter: it is too long...shouldn't take over a few seconds...a minute at the extreme01:45
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nickrudnebular, you can do sudo dpkg-reconfigure -Plow xserver-xorg01:45
robert_pectolsphincter:   And your system logs??01:45
raven3x7The_Vox, yeah i gues if you have a good connection it really doesnt matter01:45
anto9usnebular: you can edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf directly if you're adventurous, make a backup first though01:46
roycan someone help me change my display resolution 640x480 to 1024x768?01:46
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IIIEarsnickrud - "-Plow" - what does that switch do?01:46
sphincterstops the kernel log daemon before deconfiguring network interfaces01:46
The_Voxraven3x7: it's not only that...I have the (bad?) habit of treating CDs as disposable media...there's around 500 unlabeled CDs here that I have no clue what they have....looking through them to find the kubuntu CD I installed from is...not advaisable :)01:46
raven3x7roy system>settings>screen resolution01:46
royraven ...that doesn't work...and I'm new to linux - today is 1st day...01:47
IIIEarsThe_Vox - recycly your old hard drives with USB external cases.01:47
nickrudIIIEars, debconf has several levels for configuration, I don't remember them all, but critical asks the least questions, and low asks the most01:47
naliothroy: ubotu will send you a clue, watch him01:47
raven3x7The_Vox,  i know what that feels like, although i do tend to at least write something on them01:47
nalioth!resolution01:47
uboturesolution is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto01:47
The_VoxIIIEars: that's what's sitting on top of my computer...couple of 40G and an 80G :)01:47
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HrdwrBoBThe_Vox: CDs are disposable media01:47
raven3x7roy what do you mean doesnt work exactly?01:48
IIIEarsnickrud - Nice tip. :) - can't help but to learn something new here.01:48
HrdwrBoBjust make sure you dispose of them01:48
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The_Voxnickrud: thanks for that tip, didn't know it either :)01:48
cafuegoHrdwrBoB: Yeah, creek is full of 'em01:48
The_VoxHrdwrBoB: hehehe that's also true :) I do need to get rid of all of these CDs :)01:48
royRaven3x7 - It only offers 640x480...no other choices...01:49
raven3x7roy interesting what drivers are you using?01:49
raven3x7roy btw you might wanna look at that wiki page ubuto spat out01:50
raven3x7ubotu01:50
royraven: i have a dell monitor w1700 with drivers that should do a lot more than 640x480.01:50
thoreauputicroy: *cough* we suggest you read the recommended wiki page01:50
cafuego!wiki FixVideoResolutionHowto01:51
roythoreauputic .... will do..... thanks all!01:51
IIIEars<<- should put all USB drives on the desk. Gave the cats a bath and 10 mins later "Cat"-tastrophe they were peed on. - lol, kinda hard on the USB controllers01:51
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nickrudwho says cats art stupid ;\01:51
nebularis there a good resource for setting up multiple monitors using 2 different video cards?01:52
cafuegoIIIEars: yeah, you can throw those away. Corrosive as hell.01:52
IIIEars<<- going to get a gerbil soon. - grin01:52
cafuegoIIIEars: That said, my Laserjet survived (though it needed a service and clean-out)01:52
robert_pectolsphincter:   Have you tried manually stopping the network?  If so, does it take a long time?  Are you certain it's the networking scripts that are taking so long to run?01:52
jmspeexFor some (unknown) reason, the Ubuntu installer kept failing in the "timezone" section. How do I set my timezone manually?01:52
IIIEarsdifficult to hold nose and turn a screwdriver....01:52
cafuegoIIIEars: If you can remove the actual drive from the case, rinsing the case in warm water and letting it dry out for a few days might save 'em01:53
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IIIEarscafuego - interesting idea. i just tied the usb cable and box to the cats tail. - Just kidding.01:53
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naliothIIIEars: yes, cafuego is correct, a good washing, and let dry completely01:54
cwellsnebular: the best results i've had (not on ubuntu) is to put in one card, run X -configure, get the config, swap cards, repeat, then merge the two configs01:54
cafuegoIIIEars: I rescued an apple keyboard by dumping it in warm water and hanging it on a clothesline for a week. Mind you, that was coffee, not cat.01:54
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IIIEarssearched ebay for cat diapers. - no luck. - lol01:55
cafuegoIIIEars: corks01:55
IIIEarsROFL01:55
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wrtpeepshi, i am wondering if i am allowed to redistribute ubuntuguide.org's downloadable guide01:55
Madpilot"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are not subtle and will pee on your computer" - read somewhere on the net... :)01:56
nickrudwrtpeeps, I think it's under the gpl now, check it's copywrite01:56
naliothoh i've reached nirvana now!01:56
cwellswrtpeeps: does it have a license with it?01:56
naliothnickrud: the ubuntuguide?01:56
IIIEarswrtppeps - it's updated frequently to reflect changes with ubuntu. - much easier to add a link to it.01:56
wrtpeepsi will check01:56
nickrudnalioth, yes, I was browsing the docs mailling list, and the author approved putting it under the gpl01:57
cwellsIIIEars: he could mirror it01:57
nickruddon't know if actually is, yet01:57
wrtpeepsah, in the Disclaimer01:57
wrtpeepsit's GNU GPL01:57
cwellsthe GPL is a disclaimer?01:58
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wrtpeepscwells: yea, under Disclaimer it says copyright.... released under GNU Gpl..... no warranty .. blah blah blah01:58
cwellsah01:59
cwellsno warranty01:59
cwellsk01:59
cwellsmakes sense01:59
cwellswrtpeeps: are you looking to provide a mirror for general consumption?01:59
wrtpeepsexplain?01:59
cwellsi guess not01:59
IIIEarsGNU Public License - It can be distributed and any derivitive works using it must be freely available.02:00
wrtpeepsam i looking to provide a mirror for people to download off?02:00
bob2that's not quite true02:00
cwellsyes02:00
wrtpeepsyes02:00
naliothnickrud: good! there is hope yet02:00
cwellsjust the docs?02:00
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wrtpeepsyes02:00
raven3x7need to get some sleep02:00
nickrudnalioth, yes, and if you'll look, the repositories are already fixed :)02:00
cwellsthanks, i was just wondering02:00
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aukhmm it is 17:00 here02:00
bob2IIIEars: the author of derivative works can decide who he/she gives them to, and only those people have the right to ask for the source02:00
wrtpeepsubuntuguide is unofficial docs right?02:00
bob2IIIEars: those people can of course give it to whoever they like, tho02:01
bob2wrtpeeps: yes02:01
naliothwrtpeeps: very unofficial02:01
auk!ubuntuguide02:01
IIIEarsthe repos are fixed? - growing pains ubuntu is getting very popular. - wide grin02:01
ubotuhmm... ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.02:01
wrtpeepsare the official docs available to download02:01
TokenBadwhats a bandwidth monitor for ubuntu?02:01
thoreauputicI think that factoid needs rewording :/02:01
nickrudheh, ubotu still has the right answer, though02:01
aukwrtpeeps: if you want to download the entire wiki02:02
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bob2thoreauputic: iptraf is nice02:02
wrtpeepspffff02:02
wrtpeepsok02:02
wrtpeepsanyway02:02
wrtpeepsbedtime02:02
thoreauputicTokenBad: I think bob2 meant that for you :)02:02
bob2er02:02
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IIIEarsthe ubuntuguide contains from what i have heard some misinformation about configuring repositories. specifically backports02:02
bob2TokenBad: iptraf is nice02:02
socomm!guide02:02
wrtpeepsgood night02:02
ubotusocomm: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about02:02
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Mobiusanyone know where one finds information about themeing GDM?02:03
TokenBadthanks02:03
IIIEarsgnomelook.org?02:03
socommMobius: http://www.google.com02:03
Mobiusthanks for the help socomm -_-02:04
IIIEarsheh02:04
nickrudIIIEars, good point. at least it doesn't have marillat, and all that really needs to change on the repo's is commenting out backports, and pointing out how to uncomment them for codecs and a couple other things02:04
naliothwell i was not aware it'd been gpl'd02:04
IIIEarsubuntuguide is well done concise and step by step illustrated.02:05
socommIIIEars: The thing about the ubuntu guide is that theres very little explation behind the process.02:05
nickrudexcept when it's wrong, like rp-pppoe. (at least that was bad)02:05
naliothIIIEars: with no "how or why" to learn from02:05
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nickrudmaybe it should be retitled to expertubuntuguide :)02:06
DAC1138theme GDM?02:06
DAC1138wow, there''s such an interest in themeing everything nowdays02:06
thoreauputicat least the language on the wiki link for "don't advise ubuntuguide" has been improved... formerly it was kind of offensive02:07
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DAC1138even login screens in which you only see every time you login.02:07
liz4rdwhats the package called for the ms fonts?02:07
IIIEarsI couldn't have done without it. - true i didn't learn a lot that was transferable. It was a toehold into linux02:07
thoreauputicliz4rd: msttcorefonts02:07
nickrudI think that reflects the doc teams efforts to integrate it into the mainstream docs02:07
DAC1138but thats the cool thing about linux, everything is customizeable02:07
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naliothliz4rd: msttcorefonts, i believe02:07
bit0cafuego, are you using breezy?02:08
socommliz4rd: What nalioth said.02:08
liz4rdk thx02:08
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aceidiadoes anyone know of a dvd player i can find?02:08
Madpilot!msfonts02:08
ubotumethinks msfonts is apt-get install msttcorefonts - you'll need universe enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list first.02:08
aceidiaon multiverse?02:09
blaylockanybody know why i get an error saying that [somelang] .UTF-8 does not exist when i try to use a different language?02:09
socommaceidia: totem-xine02:09
aceidiathx02:09
nickrudaceidia, and vlc and mplayer02:09
naliothaceidia: any of your media players will play dvds, with the right codecs02:09
blaylockive installed the various language packs via synaptic02:09
IIIEarseveryone has a favorite. - grin02:09
bit0where could i find mkfontdir file ? (breezy)02:09
socommnickrud: mplayer does not support dvd-menu though, dunno about vlc.02:09
thoreauputicthe !msfonts factoid is inaccurate: msttcorefonts is in multiverse02:09
aceidiai have mplayer but it wont work02:09
nickrudblaylock, I think you have to do sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales02:10
blaylockahh02:10
nalioth!info msttcorefonts02:10
ubotumsttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section multiverse/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB02:10
tankihi socomm02:10
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socommHello.02:10
nickrudaceidia, try mplayer -ao esd <file> see if that works02:10
naliothcafuego: what other db can ubotu be piped into?02:10
tankisocomm, can you view flash?02:11
Madpilotis someone re-writing !msfonts?02:11
socommtanki: Yes. Follow the guide on ubuntus wiki.02:12
socomm!restricted02:12
ubotuwell, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats02:12
IIIEarsVLC is nice and can be used with all platforms02:12
tankisocomm, http://omgwtf.superlime.com/attention.swf heehee02:12
IIIEarsokay i don't think it works with amiga02:12
nickrudjust be sure to get vlc-esd if you use ubuntu02:13
socommHaha.02:13
thoreauputic!msfonts02:13
ubotuI guess msfonts is apt-get install msttcorefonts - you'll need multiverse enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list first.02:13
thoreauputicOK02:13
thoreauputicMadpilot: done02:14
thoreauputichmm...missing sudo...02:14
Steve0Does anyone know how to keep movies' audio/video in sync in various Linux players? I'm trying to play a series of movies that play fine in Windows.02:14
Madpilotthoreauputic: good; I wrote the original but it was a straight copy'n'paste of !msttcorefonts or something too long...02:14
Madpilot!msttcorefonts02:14
ubotuI guess msttcorefonts is apt-get install msttcorefonts - you'll need universe enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list first.02:14
Madpilotubotu forget msttcorefonts02:15
ubotuMadpilot: i forgot msttcorefonts02:15
blaylockthanks nickrud, i think it worked02:15
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blaylocknow to test it02:15
blaylock:)02:15
Madpilotubotu msttcorefonts is apt-get install msttcorefonts - you'll need multiverse enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list first.02:15
ubotuokay, Madpilot02:15
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Madpilotjust to be completist about it...02:15
IIIEars!DVD02:16
ubotuIIIEars: I give up, what is it?02:16
thoreauputicMadpilot: I also inserted a sudo in the msfonts one02:16
socomm!dvd02:16
ubotusocomm: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about02:16
PLafi'm trying to boot to the install cd/live cd, but even though the bios allows me to set cdroom to boot, it wont find the boot sectors on the cds02:16
socommPLaf: Could it be that you burned a freesbie instead of cd?02:16
thoreauputicMadpilot: teaching the bot should pronbably be done in /query02:16
Madpilotthoreauputic: i /msg'd ubotu, I'll fix the long msttcorefonts one now02:17
PLafsocomm: i ordered the cd's from ubuntu, it came in that cute little packet02:17
thoreauputicMadpilot: K02:17
socommPLaf: Hmmmm.02:17
naliothPLaf: are the cds burnt properly? (correct MD5s run on teh image adn the disk?)02:17
PLafnalioth: well, once i boot into windows i can access the cd's fine02:18
socommPLaf: Do other cds boot fine?02:18
PLafsocomm: nope02:18
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PLafsee the thing is guyz, i have win95 installed, and i DESPERATELY need something else because it sucks02:18
socommPLaf: What is the primary boot device?02:18
socommTry setting your cd room as your first boot device.02:18
socommCD->Floppy->HDD, or something like that.02:19
PLafsocomm: right now its just the harddrive, i already tried setting the cd as #1, and it just said "insert boot disk"02:19
IIIEarsubotu DVD is There are several DVD applications Totem is installed with Ubuntu add totem-xine and it should work. Mplayer,VLC (Cross platform), XINE are just a few. All are threatened by US style patents.02:19
ubotuokay, IIIEars02:19
socommWell you could make a boot floppy and then point the installer to use the CD.02:19
naliothIIIEars: but you need codecs, for most of them to play dvds02:20
hondjePLaf: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartBootManagerHowto02:20
PLafah thats smart, are there doc's on the web that explain how to do that?02:20
PLafah thank you hondje02:20
hondje:) No problem02:20
IIIEarsffmpeg is warning on it site that it will close soon.02:20
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tankisocomm, when you get done with helping people i have another which requires a lot of reading and is long but is hella funny02:21
cwellsIIIEars: ?02:21
IIIEarsmost players use a restricted codec. - got my fingers crossed that europeans wake up and crush the move towards new patent laws.02:21
hondjeI think they already did02:22
cwellshttp://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/index.php02:22
cwellsi don't see anything02:22
thoreauputicIIIEars: the patents directive was defeated02:22
IIIEarsAh, great! - you made my day. :)02:22
nickrudah, good news for once02:22
IIIEarsubotu forget DVD02:23
ubotui forgot dvd, IIIEars02:23
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|QuaD-always love when my X won't start after a reboot on breezy :)02:23
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socommWhy are you using breezy?02:24
arume too, which is why I love stable02:24
|QuaD-socomm: why not?02:24
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teferisocomm: because I'm a crazy masochist, clearly02:25
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|QuaD-teferi: :)02:25
wonderlandcan anyone help02:25
teferialso because seven years of running debian unstable has taught me how to deal with massive breakage02:25
bob2wonderland: you need to ask a question first...02:25
socommWell if youre running the development branch you really have no right to complain when things break.02:25
teferii even know how to hack preinst and postinst scripts and fuck with dpkg internals at this point02:25
teferihey, i don't complain02:25
wonderlandis there any kind people liker there are on ubuntuforums.org02:25
aruthere won't be, unless you ask a question :)02:26
wonderlandI bet there alot of hackers here and can sense that im n00b and gonna hack the fuck out of me02:26
thoreauputicsocomm: I didn't notice any complaints...02:26
socommteferi: I was not refering to you in particular.02:26
teferii actually find ubuntu's unstable branch to be a heck of a lot more stable than debian's unstable branches02:26
teferihave been02:26
teferii've yet to get a single package ending up in 'Half-installed'02:26
socommalways love when my X won't start after a reboot on breezy02:26
bob2wonderland: please just ask your question02:26
teferiwonderland: relax and ask already, man02:26
parabolizewonderland just ask man02:26
teferijust chill02:26
cwellswonderland: just turn your computer off. you'll feel safer02:26
|QuaD-socomm: i never complained02:26
thoreauputicwonderland: I think you misunderstand the term "hacker"02:26
IIIEarsubotu DVD is There are many good free players for linux. Totem is installed in Ubuntu by default add totem-xine and voila! - Mplayer, XINE, VLC (Cross platform) are also very good.02:26
ubotuokay, IIIEars02:26
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wonderlandok, i need help regarding apache02:27
teferiIIIEars: gstreamer totem does DVDs now too02:27
teferi...wait, only in breezy, nevermind02:27
wonderlandi have read the bit in the ubuntu guide of where it says "Q: How to map URLs to folders outside /var/www/?"02:27
IIIEarsubotu DVD is also gstreamer-totem02:27
ubotuokay, IIIEars02:27
wonderlandAnd i dont understand it02:27
nickrudIIIEars, it's totem-gstreamer02:28
teferiubotu, ubuntuguide?02:28
ubotuI guess ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.02:28
teferi^^--02:28
bob2wonderland: so, why don't you ask a specific question02:28
cwellswonderland: you can use symlinks02:28
bob2then someone can give you a specific answer02:28
naliothIIIEars: do those players play DVD out of the box?02:29
Madpilot!question02:29
ubotuNo idea, Madpilot02:29
thoreauputic!hacker02:29
ubotuI guess hacker is well, a misunderstood term: see http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.html02:29
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Madpilot!questions02:29
ubotuquestions is, like, recommend reading: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html02:29
wonderlandthe information the guide gives to add to the new file, thats what i dont understand, where it saysAlias /URL-path /location_of_folder/02:29
wonderland<Directory /location_of_folder/>02:29
wonderland   Options Indexes FollowSymLinks02:29
wonderland   AllowOverride All02:29
wonderland   Order allow,deny02:29
wonderland   Allow from all02:29
IIIEarsunfortuneatly - no, - all need codecs added. except VLC for windows02:29
wonderland</Directory>02:29
wonderlandAlias /URL-path /location_of_folder/02:29
wonderland<Directory /location_of_folder/>02:29
cafuego!ubuntuguide =~ s/3/4/02:29
ubotuOK, cafuego02:29
wonderland   Options Indexes FollowSymLinks02:29
wonderland   AllowOverride All02:29
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bob2wonderland: please don't paste crap in here02:29
wonderland   Order allow,deny02:29
aruhmm02:29
cafuegowonderland: Please stop pasting.02:29
wonderland   Allow from all02:29
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Madpilot!pastebin02:29
uboturumour has it, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood02:29
thoreauputic*sigh*02:30
Madpilot...heh...02:30
naliothIIIEars: then you should probably amend the factoid to include that additional codecs WILL be necessary for DVD enjoyment02:30
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hondjeeww, sending people to ESR? :(02:30
teferihondje: indeed :(02:30
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thoreauputichondje: have you read the jargon file? It's very good and entertaining02:31
Madpilotwhat, the !questions thing I made? skim the article, it's pretty good...02:31
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thoreauputichondje: not everything esr does is bad, you know ;)02:31
wonderlandcan someone help please, that bit i pasted above,02:31
hondjeNo, I never read the jargon file, other than when someone links to an anti-sco joke :)02:31
socommESR is a good guy. When you said Ewwww you probably meant RMS.02:31
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bob2esr's a bit of a nutter02:32
socommStill, I admire RMS more than most people.02:32
bob2and far too eager to just babble instead of hacking02:32
nickrudMadpilot, maybe start with 'when you ask a question, be as specific as you can, <the link> can provide guidance'02:32
hondjeRMS hasn't really ever been wrong :)02:32
wonderlandwhere do i change it to make it work on home/chris/public_html02:32
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Madpilotnickrud: good point. hold on...02:32
wonderlandIS THERE A BLOODY PLACE PEOPLE CAN GET SOME HELP HERE. OR DOES EVERY ONE CHAT CRAP02:32
thoreauputicbob2: I agree - but the jargon file is kind of fun02:32
aruheh02:33
hondjeESR wants people to wear 'the game of life' logo as an official hacker thing, and pretends that it's still 1989....RMS wears a robe and calls himself a saint02:33
thoreauputicwonderland: great psychology, sir02:33
socommhondje: Funny, neither have I. :P02:33
bob2wonderland: just ask your question, and don't flood the channel02:33
nickrudwonderland, probably noone around feels competent enough; wait a bit and ask again02:33
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HrdwrBoBwonderland: if you used pastebin02:33
bob2wonderland: where it says "URL-path" it means "the path you want to have appear at the end of the url"02:33
HrdwrBoBwonderland: people could look at your problem properly02:33
hondjewonderland: what part of that guide thing confused you?02:33
thoreauputicwonderland: also shouting doesn't endear you to people02:33
bob2wonderland: where it says "location_of_folder", it means "where is the folder on your hard disk"02:33
hondjethoreauputic: well, I'm mostly deaf so sometimes it helps :)02:33
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wonderlandthe folder which is var/www02:34
socommhondje: http://stallman.org/harry-potter.html02:34
Madpilottweaked !questions:02:34
Madpilot!questions02:34
ubotusomebody said questions was what #ubuntu exists for. Please help by asking good, clear questions. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html is recommended reading.02:34
PLafhey hondje, i tried the smartbootmanager, and when i booted it said "SBM Bad!"02:34
funkyHatxmms has mysteriously stopped playing .wma files02:34
DAC1138xmms never works here02:35
DAC1138loads, then freezes and needs killed02:35
bob2wonderland: I don't think you've really explained what you're trying to do, though02:35
wonderlandwhat do i replace with this part: /URL-path /location_of_folder/02:35
bob2wonderland: which makes it hard to help you02:35
funkyHat:( i don't like any of the other media players02:35
bob2wonderland: by default it serves /var/www, so you don't need to do anything02:35
nickrudMadpilot, very nice02:35
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DAC1138anyone here able to get ANY audio editing apps working?02:35
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wonderlandthe guide gives you text to enter in a text file, which is that text that i copied and pasted02:36
DAC1138or is my ubuntu install just b0rked?02:36
nickrudDAC1138, try changing the audio output02:36
DAC1138nickrud, how do i do that?02:36
wonderlandso what do i  replace with this part of the text:  /URL-path /location_of_folder/02:36
thoreauputicDAC1138: yes, audacity works for me02:36
chaps0063has anyone gotten any WMAs that are DRM'd to play?02:36
DAC1138thoreauputic, doesnt work here, says some crap about not being able to access sound system02:36
funkyHatchaps0063, no, it's not possible at the moment02:36
chaps0063funkyHat: darn.02:37
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bob2wonderland: so, stop talking and explain what the hell you're trying to do02:37
thoreauputicDAC1138: yet another esd issue, I'm afraid02:37
funkyHatuntill someone breaks the wma drm ;)02:37
bob2wonderland: if your goal is "have apache server the contents of /var/www", you're already done02:37
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wonderlandbib can i talk to you by your self02:37
nickrudDAC1138, I don't have it installed at the moment, but right click options/preferences, something like that I think02:37
tobsenhello02:37
bob2wonderland: if it's something else, you've done a terrible job if enlighetning it02:37
indentpI succesfully installed the buggy rt8180 driver by using driverloader and i am getting a signal from the wireless network but I still can not access the internet or ping any websites02:37
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thoreauputicDAC1138: short and dirty way: killall esd - longer way, configure dmix and get rid of esd02:37
DAC1138"Error initializing the i/o layer"02:37
HrdwrBoBwonderland: you want to have your webserver serve the contents of /home/user/public_html by default?02:38
bob2wonderland: just ask your real question02:38
wonderlandyes02:38
HrdwrBoBok.02:38
wonderlandho fucking ray02:38
indentpare there any settings in konqueror i am forgeting about?02:38
HrdwrBoBwonderland: you could have said that.02:38
nickrud:)02:38
wonderlandwell like i said im a n00b02:38
funkyHatanyone got any ideas for my xmms-wma problem?02:38
DAC1138thoreauputic, that worked. thatnks.02:38
HrdwrBoBeasiest way is to go to /vart02:38
DAC1138thoreauputic, is that a bug they're working on in ubuntu?02:38
HrdwrBoB/var02:38
bob2wonderland: so, stop telling us what you don't understand, and just tell us what you're trying to do02:38
HrdwrBoBsudo mv www www-orig02:39
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wonderlandyou just said what i want to do02:39
thoreauputicDAC1138: I believe breezy will fix it, yes02:39
HrdwrBoBsudo ln -s /home/yourusername/public_html www02:39
nickrudbest way, if it's not a portable, is getting a sound card that supports hardware mixing02:39
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bob2wonderland: so, you don't need to do anything, apache is already doing that02:39
HrdwrBoBanything based on the emu10k1 is good02:39
parabolizewonderland: when you get some free time read this: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html02:39
HrdwrBoBsblive02:39
bob2wonderland: and in future, just ask your question to begin with, don't flood the channel, and don't be aggressive and rude to people trying to help you02:39
indentpcan ayone help me with a wifi card problem?02:39
HrdwrBoBwonderland: what *I* said or what he said02:40
funkyHatwell, i'd like to be able to configue both my soundcards :D not a lot of hope of that is there02:40
wonderlandbut how does apache now that public_html02:40
wonderlandis being part of its webserver02:40
bob2wonderland: it's configured to do that in apache2.conf02:40
nickrudfunkyHat, yes, alsa supports that, look on alsa-project.org02:41
wonderlandok so im going to add a file in there called index.php but how do i access that file02:41
PLafgreat, im trying to make a boot disk and windoze is giving me magic disk problems rofl02:41
tobsenhello can i just ask something quickly? i dont know how to tell the terminal that ive got SUDO rights... the thing is: i want to mount a HD but the PC thinks ive got no rights :o02:41
tobsenthanks :P02:41
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nickrudtobsen, do you still have your originally installed user account available?02:42
hondjewonderland: if it's in the root dir for your webserver, you just go to your domain (or 127.0.0.1) and it'll pop up02:42
tobsenyes02:42
tobseni was just told i should type "su command"02:42
nickrudtobsen, log in as that user, then sudo adduser <newuser> admin02:42
funkyHatnickrud,  one of my soundcards appears to be using ALSA (I can see them both in , but can't choose between them in applications)02:42
HrdwrBoBtobsen: sudo02:42
HrdwrBoBnot su02:42
bob2tobsen: no, 'sudo command'02:42
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wonderlandbut it wont be becuse var/www/ is completely locked and un writable02:43
tobsenno i dont want a new user i just want the system to know ive got the rights02:43
bob2tobsen: look at the adduser manpage, that command is not creating a new user02:43
wonderlandthats why iwant to create a folder away02:43
hondjewhy would you want a php script to write to /var/www?02:43
bob2it's adding an existing one to the admin group02:43
tobsenahh, sorry i am very new to ubuntu :blush:02:43
bob2hondje: he/she wants to write to a php script there02:43
hondjeoh, you can't copy it to there02:43
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HrdwrBoBwonderland: make the php file02:44
wonderlandfinally someone02:44
HrdwrBoBwonderland: then use sudo to copy it02:44
hondjesudo cp index.php /var/www/index.php02:44
HrdwrBoBsudo cp index.php /var/www02:44
PLafoh too slow :D02:44
hondjesudo gives you permission to write there, cp copies02:44
wonderlandcould i do that in gui02:44
wonderlandinstead of going sudo02:44
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PLafpersonally, i hate guis02:44
nickrudfunkyHat, I ran two cards a while ago, I think I had to write wrapper scripts, but my memory extremely fuzzy on htat02:44
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wonderlandbecuase scripting php in linux is gona be a nightmare02:44
bob2wonderland: er, no, it's the same as writing php anywhere02:45
nickrud*is extremely fuzzy on that02:45
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wonderlandok ill make the php file02:45
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TheWarMachinewhere is realplayer installeed02:45
TheWarMachine?02:45
tobsenthe user i am currently logged in with is already member of the "admin group"02:45
naliothwonderland: giving a gui root priveleges to fix your current problem can lead to your user account being severely messed up02:45
bob2tobsen: paste the exact error you got to #flood02:46
bob2including the command you ran02:46
indentpI am getting excellent signal on my KWiFi Manager but still can not ping or access any websites.... any ideas?02:46
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joKKer_frdes francais ici ?02:46
wonderlandok02:46
TheWarMachinewhere is realplayer installeed02:46
hondjejoKKer_fr: #ubuntu-fr02:46
tobsenits in german *blush02:46
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wonderlandill note that02:46
socommjoKKer_fr: /join #unbuntu-fr02:46
joKKer_frok thanks02:46
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tobsentobsen@Tobsen:~$ sudo adduser tobsen admin02:46
tobsenDer Benutzer tobsen ist bereits ein Mitglied der Gruppe admin.02:46
indentpIt took me a good 8 hours to get this driver installed, and I finally got the card up and running, but still no internet02:47
evaderHi I'm using Hoary. How can I get some sort of mail notification for Evolution in my systray/notfication area please?02:47
tobsenit says "tobsen is already a membe rof the admin group"02:47
wonderlanddoes that mean ill have to use console mode through out my whole php coding experience in ubuntu02:47
evaderI thought there was an applet, cant fidn it02:47
funkyHatTheWarMachine, do locate realplayer02:47
bob2tobsen: no, from the command you were trying to run to begin with02:47
bob2wonderland: no02:47
indentpare there any special settings in konqueror i am overlooking?02:47
PLafblarg, ive tried two different ways to install SBM, and both have failed02:47
wonderlandanyway i created the php file now its in desktop where shall i copy it to in gui02:47
tobsentobsen@Tobsen:~$ mkdir /media/windows_c02:47
thoreauputicwonderland: try to be less negative: there are usually solutions if you need them :)02:48
bob2tobsen: no, that's wrong02:48
tobseni was trying that02:48
bob2tobsen: sudo mkdir /media/windows_c02:48
tobsenOh02:48
DAC1138alright, this is beginning to annoy me. my mouse lags every time i open a program or have a sudden jump in cpu useage02:48
tobsenOhhh02:48
tobsen:)02:48
tobsenthank you I'll try02:48
wonderlandi dont mean to be rude but what does that mean02:48
DAC1138ive got a 2.2 ghz processor and 768 mb ram, i should see lag in a mouse cursor02:48
evaderAnyone please? Mail notifcation with Evolution in the systray? Is there an applet? Anything?02:48
bob2evader: just use the mail notification applet02:49
DAC1138evader, gdesklets maybe02:49
wonderlando yeah i have NOT dont this step of the guide "How to map URLs to folders outside /var/www/?"02:49
bob2wonderland: yes, that's fine02:49
nickrudevader, not really no, the one that comes with ubuntu is not really useful with evo02:49
umarmungevader: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=40202:49
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indentpcafuego: you there? my card has signall but I still can not ping any addresses outside of my network02:49
indentpmy head is about to explode02:49
wonderlanddo i need to do that step to make home/chris/public_html run as part of the server02:50
chaps0063I was hoping to get some help in setting up apache/mysql as inetd for use on my laptop instead of daemon.02:50
nickrudoh, umarmung thanks02:50
aceidiacan anyone help me to get mplayer to play dvd's..?02:50
nickrudgonna try that very soon02:50
naliothevader: there is a mail-notification applet, but dont think it runs with evolution02:50
chaps0063aceidia: you need libdvdcss202:50
cafuegoindentp: Load drivers, set options (essid, key, etc) fetch IP, set route, off you go.02:50
TheWarMachineim not getting any sound from realplayer02:50
TheWarMachineor vlc02:50
chaps0063aceidia: plus, I use xine-ui instead.02:50
wonderlandbob2: please help02:51
TheWarMachineany thoughts?02:51
wonderlandweres bob2?02:51
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bob2wonderland: no, as I said, you don't need to02:51
DAC1138aceidia, yeah, why limit yourself to mplayer?02:51
nickrudTheWarMachine, you probably need vlc-esd02:51
aceidiaif i get that do i need to get the codex or w/e.?02:51
DAC1138aceidia, there's xine, videolan, ogle (i use ogle, it supports menus) and i think powerdvd for linux is out, though its not free02:51
wonderlandok sorry for being a pain, but then what do i do, just please give me a general step by step guide02:51
bob2wonderland: no02:52
chaps0063aceidia:  http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories02:52
bob2wonderland: you need to ask specific questions02:52
bob2wonderland: you have apache working, and youve been told how to put your php file there02:52
funkyHatwonderland, all you need to do is uncomment the related lines in apache2.conf, and make sure your home directory permissions are ok02:52
bob2wonderland: what do you want to do next?02:52
chaps0063aceidia: add those, then sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 xine-ui02:52
aceidiai'm new don;t know what i can get..02:52
indentpcafuego: drivers are loaded, essid is correct and no WEP for now... no local ip address picked up under KWiFi Manager however02:52
chaps0063aceidia: I was new once too...:-)02:52
TheWarMachinenickrud, what about realplayer?02:52
aceidiak thanx02:52
DAC1138aceidia, doesnt matter if you're new, look at the ubuntu guide02:52
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wonderlanddoes this not leave security issues02:52
nickrudTheWarMachine, I haven02:52
bob2wonderland: how?02:53
chaps0063DAC1138: yeah, I was a nub one day...I still am..hehe02:53
TheWarMachine??02:53
wonderlandwy the way where is the config file02:53
indentpgetting excellent signal strength, yet still cant get online02:53
nickrud't configured realplayer recently, but I think you need to configure it to use esd for sound02:53
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DAC1138chaps0063, we're all n00bs, we're just a higher level :)02:53
TheWarMachinehow wuld I do that?02:53
bob2wonderland: /etc/apache2/ (basically all packages put system config files in /etc/packagename/)02:53
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DAC1138but the thing is, you can be a n00b, that doesnt mean the ubuntu guide is too hard02:53
bob2wonderland: but please don't touch it, you'll only screw it up02:53
chaps0063DAC1138: but now I can install java without looking at any directions.02:53
DAC1138actually, the unofficial ubuntu guide is the best written distro documentation ive ever seen02:53
chaps0063DAC1138: and thats a big step from where I was, got my start with mandrake.02:54
knowledge_really stupid question....when using Gnome....are you using GTK+ or X11?02:54
bob2knowledge_: both02:54
DAC1138knowledge_, gtk02:54
thoreauputicknowledge_: both02:54
wonderlandbut you said uncomment it now your saying dont touch it02:54
bob2knowledge_: X just put pixels on the screen, gtk tells x11 to draw buttons and menus and ...02:54
DAC1138you cant have gtk really without x, can you?02:54
knowledge_mannnn I think I'm just going to format and reinstall02:54
bob2wonderland: no, I didn't say that at all02:54
wonderlandshall i just go back to windows02:54
DAC1138x11 libs02:54
bob2wonderland: just leave it alone02:54
bob2wonderland: if you want to use windows, go for it02:54
wonderlandno i dont02:54
DAC1138wonderland, if you're not willing to help yourself, yes02:54
bob2DAC1138: you can, it has been ported to run directly on the framebuffer, and it works on windows without X02:55
wonderlandplease02:55
bob2wonderland: you haven't asked a useful question02:55
DAC1138wonderland, we can help, but you need to put fourth some effort and not expect us to baby you through it all02:55
chaps0063wonderland: what are you having trouble with02:55
naliothwonderland: windows has more oppertunitys for hackers, then linux02:55
HrdwrBoBwonderland: you might do well to spend some time familiarising yourself with the linux environment02:55
indentpcafuego: i may need help configuring the card correctly, everything seems to be fine except no local IP resolved... is this the problem? how can I check to see what is not configured correctly?02:55
nickrudheh, it's been so long I don't even recognize realplayer10's config screen :)02:55
knowledge_bob2, or anyone ever deal with wxWidgets?02:55
DAC1138wonderland, help us help you02:55
wonderlandok02:55
bob2knowledge_: I used it once from python, I think02:55
bob2I prefered glade02:55
wonderlandi cannot create anything in /var/www/02:55
bob2wonderland: yes, indeed02:56
wonderlandbecuase its completely locked02:56
knowledge_I'm trying to install soulseek...I updated like a million and a half packages...and it's still lnot working02:56
wonderlandso where do i put my php files to access them through a webbrowser02:56
paxwonderland: #apache02:56
HrdwrBoBwonderland: an easy fix for this is sudo chown youruser /var/www02:56
knowledge_I think I'm going to format and reinstall so I can also get my wifi card back02:56
bob2wonderland: sudo chown $USER /var/www/02:56
bob2wonderland: but be very careful02:56
kbrooksNo, knowledge_02:56
wonderlandno this is a security risk iv been told02:56
wonderlandwhat other ways is there02:57
funkyHati was hesitant to give that advice...02:57
kbrookswonderland, um02:57
knowledge_kbrooks, I've tried what people told me to try, and no dice....02:57
funkyHatcreate a directory inside /var/www02:57
DAC1138knowledge_, wait, what?02:57
kbrooksthis is not a "security risk"02:57
aruwonderland: I would consider going back to windows if I were you02:57
funkyHatcall it whatever you want, chown that to $USER:apache02:57
bob2wonderland: how on earth is it a security risk?02:57
kbrooksaru!02:57
chaps0063wonderland: are you editing locally or are people other than those on your computer going to access them?02:57
DAC1138knowledge_,  try "dhclient eth1" or whatever your wifi card was detected as02:57
paxwonderland: your other option is to set a vhost and have rootdir as user dir02:57
kbrooksDONT BE SERIOUS02:57
wonderlandim alone user on the computer02:58
indentpiwconfig gives me: wlan0 IEEE 802.11-DS ESSID:"homenet" Nickname:"unknown"02:58
knowledge_DAC1138, no such device02:58
wonderlandthis computer is the linux (ubuntu)machine02:58
DAC1138knowledge_, im having problems getting wired ethernet working. ubuntu wants to default to the wifi device that isnt there anymore02:58
chaps0063isn't there a way to not allow anyone else to connect to apache but localhost?02:58
DAC1138knowledge_, so its not even detecting a secondary ethernet device?02:58
chaps0063I'm not sure.02:58
TheWarMachinenickrud any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated02:58
DAC1138knowledge_, in ifconfig?02:58
knowledge_I had it working until I patched my kernel02:58
DAC1138knowledge_, ah, yeah, i'd say reinstall02:58
knowledge_and the only reason I patched it was because there was a how to02:58
indentpwith ndiswrapper?02:58
wonderlandso now every nows my problem, what can i do apart from changing the permission of var/www/02:58
bob2wonderland: so, chown it02:59
chaps0063wonderland: who told you its a security risk?02:59
kbrookswtf02:59
bob2wonderland: it is not a security issue02:59
nickrudTheWarMachine, my realplayer freezes also, but then, I generally use totem-xine to watch real media. I hadn't noticed, and have no advice at the moment.02:59
knowledge_DAC1138, no hope huh?02:59
robert_pectolWhat's the best way (command) to search for a specific package name for Debian and Debian derived distros?  I just moved to Ubuntu after 5+ years on Red Hat/Mandrake and am still trying to "come up to speed" on the subtle differences...02:59
hondjebut having /dev/shm mounted rw is ... what a world :)02:59
wonderlandits a thread on ubuntuforums, and anyway why doesnt the guide tell my chown it then02:59
HrdwrBoBwonderland: you can use sudo cp like we said02:59
wonderlandyes02:59
bob2robert_pectol: apt-cache search package02:59
wonderlandthats a good way02:59
HrdwrBoBwonderland: because the guide is on crack02:59
bob2wonderland: because tthe forums are wrong03:00
TheWarMachinenickrud, totem doesn't even work03:00
bob2wonderland: and the guide is also wrong03:00
robert_pectolbob2:   Thanks!03:00
wonderlandbut i want to use gui03:00
kbrookswonderland, dont believe everything you read03:00
naliothrobert_pectol: use synaptic03:00
DAC1138knowledge_, probably not. ive been having wifi problems until i tried ubuntu, its the only distro to get my card working out of the box (at all actually)03:00
wonderlandyou lot are talking bullshit03:00
wonderlandnow03:00
chaps0063wonderland: sudo (app you want to use)03:00
robert_pectolsynaptic?03:00
knowledge_yeah I hear ys03:00
bob2wonderland: please stop it03:00
bob2wonderland: you're being rude, and you're way out of your depth03:00
kbrookswonderland, dont believe everything you read!!!!!!!!!!!!03:00
wonderlandbob2 your taking the piss03:00
naliothrobert_pectol: system > admin > synaptic package mangler03:00
bob2wonderland: the solution to your problem is to chown /var/www03:00
kbrookswonderland, no you are03:00
HrdwrBoBwonderland: no he's not03:00
chaps0063wow..03:00
wonderlandyou dont really talk like that03:00
indentpDAC1138: could you help me with getting my card online?03:00
bob2wonderland: do it, or not, but you're wasting everyone's time03:01
chaps0063wonderland: relax.03:01
hondjelol03:01
wonderlandis there any other way then03:01
chaps0063wonderland: what gui-app do you want to use?03:01
DAC1138indentp, i could try, whats the problem?03:01
HrdwrBoBwonderland: I assure you that you're surrounded by people who by and large know damn well what they're talking about03:01
bob2wonderland: use chown.03:01
IIIEarsHey! if you guys can't get along will we have to seperate you? - ;)03:01
robert_pectolnalioth:   Cool!  I'll try that although I prefer the cli for installing software.  Thanks again!03:01
nickrudTheWarMachine, I used https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingCodecsToTotem to get totem-xine to work right03:01
knowledge_alright...I'm off to reinstall03:01
knowledge_later people03:01
chaps0063IIIEars: lol... wonderland to the corner in the left please...03:01
wonderlandi want to drag and drop php files on to var/www/ so i can access them through a web browser03:01
bob2wonderland: you can continue to argue with people who know far more about this than you do, but it doesn't change the fact that you're wasting time03:01
naliothrobert_pectol: then use "apt-cache search <pkgname-fragment-etc>"03:02
bob2wonderland: sudo chown $USER /var/www/03:02
HrdwrBoBwonderland: so use chown like it has been explained to you many times03:02
indentpDAC1138: I am using an MA521 with the rt8180 driver through driverloader and the card is picking up excellent signal strength03:02
HrdwrBoBthis is *NOT* a security risk03:02
bob2wonderland: if you're going to continue to be disruptive, perhaps it's better if you go03:02
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hondjeif you have to use a gui to move a couple files, are you sure running a webserver is really a good idea?03:02
Daveylmao03:02
indentpDAC1138: but still having trouble accessing the internet03:02
hondjesounds like a bigger security risk than chown, IMHO03:02
chaps0063hey bob2, I got apache/mysql and all that working as of yester...03:02
chaps0063yesterday...if I could spell.03:03
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chaps0063thanks for your help.03:03
DAC1138indentp, ah, i had that same problem03:03
wonderlandis there any other way? thats all im asking, like what the guide says, it says create a text file and enter that text the guide provides, thats what i need help on that bit of the guide03:03
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DAC1138indentp, does anything show up in ifconfig?03:03
wonderlandthats what i originally came for03:03
paxbob2: dude you have some patience. kudos03:03
wonderlandthe bit i copied and pasted03:03
hondjethen do what the guide says03:03
kbrookswonderland, dont read the guide03:03
hondjeif that's really what you want03:03
bob2wonderland: no, ignore that, it's complicated and pointless03:03
chaps0063wonderland: its been told to you.03:03
naliothwonderland: the ubuntuguide has been known to lead to total reinstallation of system03:03
indentpDAC, yes03:03
bob2wonderland: run "sudo chown $USER /var/www/"03:03
kbrooksnalioth, how?03:03
HrdwrBoBwonderland: running that single command fixes ALL of your problems03:03
DAC1138indentp, what does it say?03:03
HrdwrBoBand is trivial to do03:04
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bob2wonderland: whoever told you that adding an Alias was any more secure is an idiot03:04
kbrooksnalioth, other than backports03:04
naliothkbrooks: i spoke on this earlier03:04
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DAC1138indentp, you should see something like eth0 for your wired ethernet, and eth1 or wlan0 for wireless03:04
HrdwrBoBthe ubuntu guide should be a wiki03:04
wonderlandok03:04
Bob_hey, a friend of mine setup my wireless card and told me to use ifup and ifdown... I had to restart due to lock up and now there is no card! how do I get it back>03:04
wonderlandim going to " CHOWN " it03:04
HrdwrBoBwonderland: excellenty03:04
kbrookswonderland, changes the owner of the directory03:04
wonderlandbut i bet my computer crashed becuase the amount of hackers trying to access my new linux computer03:05
nickrudlol03:05
bob2wonderland: plese stop being an idiot03:05
DAC1138indentp, i had the same problem in other distros. driver was installed, kde applet showed a network and signal strength, yet i couldnt get any information out of the network or internet03:05
kbrooksum03:05
indentpDAC, Link encap:local loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask 255.0.0.0 inet6 addr ::1/128 Scope:host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:1643603:05
bob2wonderland: I don't know if you're trolling, or really clueless, but it's just annoying.03:05
wonderlandwhat changes the owner of the directory what does that mean03:05
indentpiwconfig you mean?03:05
kbrookswonderland, please do not clutter the channel03:05
kbrookswonderland, chown03:05
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wonderlandkbrooks03:05
thoreauputicwonderland: please get a clue from ubotu 's URL below03:06
funkyHatwonderland, open a terminal, type "sudo chown *your username* /var/www"03:06
Bob_how do I mount my network card?03:06
kbrookswonderland, currently, you cant write to /var/www03:06
thoreauputic!hacker03:06
ubotusomebody said hacker was well, a misunderstood term: see http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.html03:06
wonderlando is that what it stands for03:06
kbrookswonderland, currently, you cant write to /var/www03:06
indentpDAC, under iwconfig i see lo eth0 and wlan003:06
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DAC1138indentp, i mean what devices do you see? anything like eth1 or eth0? list all the eth# and wlan# you see03:06
Bob_I already ndiswrappered it--I think...03:06
wonderlandsorry my user name is chris so how would the command look like03:06
kbrookswonderland, REPLACE03:06
DAC1138indentp, alright, wlan0 is probably it then03:06
HrdwrBoBsudo chown chris /var/www03:06
wonderlandlike this "sudo chown $chris /var/www/"03:06
HrdwrBoBno,  no $03:06
indentpDAC, the correct essid is picked up and everything seems ok03:06
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kbrooksno03:06
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bob2the command I actually gave would work03:07
DAC1138indentp, try "dhclient wlan0"03:07
indentpDAC, but still can not ping anything03:07
bob2since your shell sets $USER03:07
paxwtf everyone in this channel got their troll detector off?03:07
HrdwrBoByeah03:07
kbrooksbob2: From what I've read, he is a IDIOT03:07
DAC1138indentp, or "dhclient eth0"03:07
reborthey... i could use some simple breezy help03:07
wonderlandok GUYS (is there any girls here by the way) im about to wack on the old CHOWN03:07
chaps0063kbrooks: I concur.03:07
bob2wonderland: enough03:07
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wonderlandevery ones waiting03:08
indentpDAC, permision denied, let me try in root03:08
DAC1138about now im thinking linux isnt for you wonderland03:08
hondjeyeah, he's trolling03:08
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nickrudwonderland, if I may, http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/index.html and http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html make good reading03:08
DAC1138ya know, its not for everybody03:08
wonderlandwhats trolling for f sake03:08
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Bob_how do I mount my network card in hoary?03:08
kbrooksnickrud, NO!!!!!!03:08
nickrudno?03:08
rebortit's the /etc/X11/X is not executable issue... i'd rather hear from one reliable source about how to fix that instead of hearing many non-working and unofficial fixes03:08
carrotthat is old03:08
wonderlando sware to god i really do need help03:08
HrdwrBoByes, we know03:08
kbrooksnickrud, Do not make him RTFM03:08
wonderlandive been on ununtu forums for a day now03:08
wonderlandcheck out my post03:08
rebortcan anyone give me an official answer?03:08
wonderlandwait let me get the url03:09
kbrookswonderland, the forums are inaccurate03:09
indentpDAC you are my savior03:09
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nickrudboth are dated 2005, I check first03:09
DAC1138indentp, worked?03:09
kbrookswonderland, Honestly.03:09
wonderlandok just see what iv learn so far from the forums03:09
bob2rebort: that's a symlink, perhaps it's broken03:09
indentpsomthing as simple as grabbing an IP address03:09
kbrookswonderland, irrevelant03:09
naliothrebort: breezy is not for everyday use atm03:09
rebortbob2: we share a name, and it is broken03:09
naliothrebort: most of us in here do not use it for that reason03:09
evaderHi. How can I get Evolution to put a notification in the systray when I get mail PLEASE.03:09
wonderlandhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=259573#post25957303:09
DAC1138indentp, well, i was frusturating as hell for me, and i still couldnt get mine fixed, and now that ubuntu has it working out of the box, i know what to do03:09
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rebortnalioth: i know, i have suffered through much with breezy, and i was hoping to also suffer through this03:10
bob2rebort: it should point at /usr/bin/X or so, I'd assume03:10
cafuegoindentp: Blah, I told you that 20 minutes ago :-P03:10
DAC1138indentp, i was about to throw my laptop on the wall and slam my head on my desk. glad i could save someone from the same troubles03:10
bob2rebort: surely the answer is in the bts?03:10
indentpDAC, so the command dhclient just hits the dhcp server on my router to request an IP address?03:10
HrdwrBoBlrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 17 2004-11-10 09:30 /etc/X11/X -> /usr/bin/X11/Xorg03:10
evaderHi. How can I get Evolution to put a notification in the systray when I get mail .... ANYONE?03:10
wonderlando yeah by the way what does this mean "chmod 744"03:10
bob2hm03:10
DAC1138indentp, i guess, i was told to do that to switch to my eth0 wired network03:10
bob2wonderland: ignore it03:10
cafuegowonderland: read,write,execute by owner, read-only for anyone else.03:11
nickrudkbrooks, that is not rtfm, that is basic research03:11
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bob2wonderland: if you don't understand an answer on the forum, follow up saying you don't understand it03:11
indentpDAC, will switching to my eth0 be difficult?03:11
carrotjust a link..03:11
DAC1138indentp, because by default, ubuntu wants to use my wireless card for network access, which isnt always in, so i have to run that command everytime i want to use my wired net03:11
Bob_ah ha! I just had to wait a bit03:11
Bob_it works now!03:11
rebortthere is not a /usr/bin/X11/Xorg, only a [...] /X03:11
Bob_thanks all :-p03:11
HrdwrBoBnickrud: even more than that; compulsory background knowledge03:11
DAC1138indentp, no, just run dhclient eth0 to switch back to wired03:11
kbrooksnickrud, SO?03:11
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indentpDAc, ahhh... i see. I dont have to disable the wlan0?03:11
HrdwrBoBrebort: then link it to that03:11
kbrooksHrdwrBoB, this is irrevelant03:11
DAC1138indentp, nope03:12
wonderlandhave you had a look03:12
nickrudkbrooks, although I do take your point.03:12
indentpDAC, sweet. I love it when everything works simultaneaosly03:12
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kbrooksnickrud, huh?03:12
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wonderlanddo you bob2 and the others have some kind of blog so i can trust you becuase in common sense, id rather trust the forum then some chat on IRC03:12
nickrudkbrooks, about not shoving manuals at people, instead of helping03:12
DAC1138wonderland, you can trust google03:12
kbrookswonderland, listen to me03:12
bob2wonderland: I'd trust IRC ahead of the forums03:13
kbrookswonderland, forums suck.03:13
kbrooksEnd of story.03:13
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bob2and having a blog just proves someone has too much time on their hands ;p03:13
naliothwonderland: perhaps you should have lurked in here for weeks to see the quality of answers that are given03:13
indentpDAC, i am running a buggy rt8180 driver that i could only get to work under driverloader (which will cost me $20 after 30 days), do you have any experience with ndiswrapper?03:13
bob2cafuego: well, ok, good point03:13
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kbrookswonderland, you are still a troll.03:13
wonderlando well if you decide to hack me03:13
tritiumbob2, heh, I agree ;)03:13
pschulz01Greetings. Anyone know if 'nvu' is available for  Ubuntu? It's on TheOpenCD v3.03:13
pschulz01for windows...03:13
wonderlandill just re-install whats the worst that could happen03:13
kbrookswonderland, *crack*03:13
naliothpschulz01: yes, you can d/l it from its homepage03:14
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wonderlando shit03:14
thoreauputicwonderland: seek help for your paranoia :)03:14
kbrookswonderland, you are a troll and a idiot that is NOT READY FOR LINUX03:14
evaderHow can I get Evolution to put a notification in the systray when I get mail03:14
pschulz01nalioth: no package yet?03:14
evaderI cant find an applet03:14
wonderlandwhat does *crack* mean03:14
rebortUSR/BIN/X11/X points to /etc/X11/X, so it would be unwise to link03:14
tritiumevader, I don't believe that capability exists yet03:14
naliothevader: there is NO KNOWN way (that i know of) check the evolution homepage03:14
cafuegoevader: if evolution has no pref to do that, it probably means it can't (yet)03:14
indentpalthouh driverloader might be nice to have down the road with other windows based drivers. the the nice web-based GUI as opposed to ndiswrapper03:14
kbrookswonderland, cr`acker03:14
wonderlandwho the fuck ever is, linux is shit man, your all communists, man, im a php coder, whats the point of using linux,03:14
kbrookscracker*03:15
cafuegoindentp: driverloader is payware though03:15
tritiumwonderland, please calm down03:15
wonderlandkbrooks aint helping03:15
evaderThanks03:15
kbrookscrackers are not hackers and vice versa03:15
cafuegoindentp: and a GUI only makes it 1) slower and 2) larger03:15
DAC1138indentp, no, ive tried that with my card, i couldnt figure the dang thing out03:15
wonderlandand what does he even mean,03:15
DAC1138indentp, madwifi you might want to check that out03:15
indentpDAC you tried ndiswrapper?03:15
cafuegowonderland: Did you actually have an ubuntu question?03:15
DAC1138indentp, no, i havent used ndiswrapper03:15
rebort  no ideas then?03:16
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DAC1138i think we need to boot wonderland03:16
DAC1138ah, good03:16
indentpDAC, what did you try with your card?03:16
kevinwheeeeeeeeeew03:16
DAC1138indentp, there were some kernel modules i had to download for my chipset on sourceforge03:16
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funkyHathurrah!03:17
DAC1138indentp, i have an atmel chipset, so there were some 3rd party open source stuff i could download03:17
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DAC1138wow it got quiet since he was booted03:17
indentpha, yeah03:17
kevinlol03:17
nickrudkbrooks, now that that's over, those two links are really good for new folks. What's a decent way to point at them.03:17
indentpthe need for "nick: question" format is gone03:17
kbrooksnickrud, i dont think so03:18
kbrooksnot here anyways03:18
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kbrooksnickrud, i would never ever .... *EVER* point a newbie to ubuntu at those 2 links.03:18
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kbrooksnickrud, why do so when we can ALL help and the wiki exists?03:19
indentpDAC, what types of cards use the Atheros chipset?03:19
MIK3MANwhich is the best kernal to install for ubuntu?? stability wise..??03:19
kevinquestion, how would I add say a button to xfce for say abiword?03:19
rebortlinking /etc/X11/X to /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg works03:19
DAC1138indentp, i dont know. isnt atheros supported in the kernel? i was building a kernel todya and thought i saw atheros in there03:19
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JDahlMIK3MAN, the one that's installed by default, I think03:20
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IIIEarsvulnerability discovered in zlib compression03:20
indentpDAC, im not sure... im trying to find out if madwifi will work with my card03:20
DAC1138MIK3MAN, i dont think ubuntu takes kindly to new kernels03:20
rebortbut mouse keyboard and nv modules arent found03:20
DAC1138MIK3MAN, i just built the latest, and i cant get the thing to boot03:20
thoreauputickevin: you can add lauchers to the panel through the config app - I'm in fluxbox and can't recall the exact name but it has a cross shaped icon IIRC03:21
DAC1138indentp, check your manuals or label on the card, it should have the chipset or model # on there03:21
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TheWarMachineanyone know how to get sound working in realplayer>?03:21
wonderlandu rock bob203:21
ablyssanyone want to see a screenshot of my ubuntu?  http://www.epluribusunix.net/screenshots/07-17-05_21:18:48.jpeg  :)03:21
MIK3MANJDahl: whats the difference from linux 386 and linux-image 386, and linux image 2.6?? they are all on the install cd03:21
wonderlandeverythings dandy03:21
indentpDAC, i think its a realtek, not sure though03:21
DAC1138indentp, google search for the model # and look for the chipset, then search google.com/linux for using that chipset in linux03:21
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Daveyablyss: do you have a pr0n background?03:21
wonderlandalthough one last proper question03:21
kevinhmmmmmmmmmmm ok, thanx anyways, I will wait for someone running xfce03:21
Daveyablyss: if not, I don't care :D03:22
wonderlandwhy was the var/www/ folder locked in the first place03:22
HrdwrBoBMIK3MAN: they are logical packages of the same thing03:22
JDahlDAC1138, if you must, you can build a kernel using Ubuntu defaults by copying the /boot/config file to the kernel source tree03:22
Madpilotpschulz01: your question sort of got lost. nvu is installable. watch the two posting's ubotu's about to make03:22
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Madpilot!nvu03:22
ubotuI heard nvu is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToInstallNVUHTMLEditor/ http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.""03:22
kevinnot trying tobr rude dude03:22
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MIK3MANHrdwrBoB: which should I choose??03:22
Madpilot!html03:22
ubotu[html]  HyperText Markup Language, used to build webpages. HTML editors available in Hoary include Bluefish & Screem, both installable through Synaptic. HTML can also be written in any text editor, as purists will be quick to tell you!03:22
kbrookswonderland, because linux sucks.03:22
Daveyablyss: whats the second graph to the right of the CPU one?03:22
naliothwonderland: anything outside of your home directory belongs to someone else, that is why it's "locked"03:22
ablyssDavey: CPU and memory03:22
DAC1138JDahl, thats what i did03:22
HrdwrBoBMIK3MAN: any of them, they're effectively all the same03:22
Daveyah, didn't see that one03:22
naliothpschulz01: i answered your question right after you asked it03:22
wonderlandso now it belongs to every one now that i changed the previliges to everyone03:23
HrdwrBoBMIK3MAN: choose linux-38603:23
DAC1138JDahl, and basically i only changed the acpi and the processor info, and the partition stuff03:23
wonderlandnow that i chown it03:23
MIK3MANok03:23
DAC1138JDahl, still wont boot03:23
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IIIEarsubotu html is also "!NVU" html editor.03:23
ubotuokay, IIIEars03:23
ablyssDavey: hehe i dont watch pron :P03:23
thoreauputicwonderland: you changed it to belong to your user03:23
TheWarMachineablyss what prog do you use as the dock>03:23
indentpDAC, thanks for daving me an increcible headache. now I must decide if I want to buy a new card or purchase driverloader03:23
indentpsaving*03:23
wonderlandOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO03:23
auk!html03:23
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ablyssTheWarMachine: gnome panel03:23
wonderlandthoreauputic you are a star03:23
thoreauputicwonderland: unless you did something no-one advised03:23
wonderlandwhat03:23
wonderlandsudo chown chris /var/www03:24
auk!nvu03:24
ubotuhmm... nvu is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToInstallNVUHTMLEditor/ http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.""03:24
wonderlandthats what i did03:24
auk!Nvu03:24
ubotuextra, extra, read all about it, nvu is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToInstallNVUHTMLEditor/ http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.""03:24
IIIEarsauk - ubotu is chewing on the database update for html. - it takes a minute or two03:24
wonderlanddoes that still mean its safe03:24
wonderlandand no one of you lot can access it03:24
kbrookswonderland, ummmm03:24
kbrookswonderland,03:24
wonderlandwhat kbrooks03:24
kbrooks!hack03:24
ubotuWish i knew, kbrooks03:24
aukIIIEars: no--he messaged me03:24
thoreauputicwonderland: if you run ls -ld /var/www  you'll see that it  now belongs to chris03:24
kbrooks!hacking03:24
ubotukbrooks: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?03:24
nickrudkbrooks, sorry had to step away for a sec. I don't think most of that is on the wiki, and it's also extremely relevant.03:24
ablyssBTW, i took the picture of the lilly from my backyard.. you guys like it?  I have about 6 more that make really awesome desktop wall paper03:25
Madpilot!hacker03:25
ubotusomebody said hacker was well, a misunderstood term: see http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.html03:25
Madpilotkbrooks: there you go...03:25
auk!cracker03:25
ubotuauk: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about03:25
wonderlandwhy is kbrooks saying hacks for then03:25
auk!cracking03:25
ubotuauk: I don't know03:25
auk!crack03:25
ubotuauk: Are you smoking crack?03:25
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TheWarMachine`ablyss tell me how you got/config it03:25
auklol03:25
kbrookswonderland, you misunderstand the term03:25
Madpilotwonderland: we're fooling around with ubotu. but ppl should be doing that thru /msg, really03:25
thoreauputicauk: ubotu doesn't have a factoid for that yet03:25
IIIEarsbe nice to the bot a slender database is a lot faster.03:25
TheWarMachine!insult03:25
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aukhis factiod now is good enough for me03:25
aceidiadoes anyone know of a good dvd player?03:26
kbrookswonderland, go and read ESR's jargon database entry for hacker'03:26
DAC1138aceidia, ogle03:26
aceidiathx03:26
wonderlandwheres that then03:26
chaps0063aceidia: I like xine-ui03:26
DAC1138aceidia, i suggested a bunch earlier, didnt oyu read?03:26
tritiumaceidia, gxine is nice too03:26
aceidiacan i get it off mulitiverse?03:26
kbrookswonderland, at the link the bot posted03:26
aukcheck out the blender package03:26
wonderlandoh yeah how about phpMyAdmin03:26
aukway bloated03:26
wonderlandhow do you install that03:26
thoreauputicwonderland: hacker is not a bad word - go read the URL and learn what it means03:26
ablyssTheWarMachine: well transparency is optional in the panel preferences.. svg icons are downloadable off synaptic gnome themes... there isn't too much to config about it03:26
aceidiai did but some aren;t working.. nad i closed the window03:26
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wonderlandok whatevery. but how do you install phpMyAdmin03:27
aukwonderland: were you talking to me03:27
auk?03:27
DAC1138aceidia, ah. ogle is in multiverse and so is gxine03:27
wonderlandanyone03:27
wonderlandi need help03:27
kbrookswonderland, d/l, untar, cp, config, you're done03:27
chaps0063wonderland: do you have mysql installed?03:27
bob2wonderland: stop being annoying03:27
bob2wonderland: or you will be permanently removed03:27
wonderlandyes03:27
bob2wonderland: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto03:27
Madpilot!lamp03:27
ubotulamp is, like, Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary03:27
DAC1138wonderland, you arent the only person in the world you know, other people need help too03:27
chaps0063wonderland: http://www.phpmyadmin.net/home_page/03:27
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Madpilotwonderland: see the link ubotu just posted...03:27
ablysswow this chat is a rocking.. dont bother knocking :D03:27
signbarnWhat's a good p2p application for ubuntu?03:27
indentphaha03:28
userusersignbarn: mldonkey03:28
kbrooksMadpilot, are you the resident ubotu expert?03:28
kbrooks;)03:28
aceidiathankxs03:28
sizzami try to start mail-notification from a terminal and nothing happens, it just sits there.   what log files can i check to point me in the right direction?03:28
naliothsignbarn: depends on how you want to p2p03:28
aukablyss: hahahahahaahahaha...03:28
kbrookssignbarn, amule03:28
thoreauputicwonderland: do what we all have to do sometimes: use google, read howtos, use http://google.com/linux...... etc etc03:28
wonderlandthas what i been looking for03:28
kbrooksamule > *03:28
wonderlandthat lamp thingy, i been using it on windows03:28
auksignbarn: tinyP2P03:28
aukheh03:28
signbarnwell i guess i'm just looking for a "large" user base03:28
kbrooksauk: uh.......03:28
aukwonderland: wtf?03:28
Madpilotkbrooks: no, but I"ve got nothing else to do right now... gotta be fast with the ! key... :)03:28
naliothsignbarn: gtk-gnutella03:28
naliothsignbarn: bittorrent03:29
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kbrooksnalioth, amule ;)03:29
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signbarn:-)03:29
plbhey guys heres another metacity theme i did..thoughts?> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=2657403:29
aukwonderland: linux on windows?03:29
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kbrooksauk: no03:29
Evilhello all03:29
thoreauputicwonderland: erm... the "l" in LAMP stands for what, do you think?03:29
wonderlandIs there any GIRLS here03:29
kbrooksauk, think think03:29
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DAC1138plb, shouldnt you be checking in #metacity?03:29
bob2wonderland: final warning03:29
DAC1138wonderland, yes03:29
identpsweet03:30
plbDAC1138: i like it here better =P03:30
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Evilcan someone say me how to fix this bug : "error activating wkb configuration"03:30
DAC1138bob2, hes had enough warnings, i'd say boot him03:30
wonderlandwhos heard of WAMP, its for windows03:30
wonderlandWAMP 5.403:30
bob2wonderland: please stay on-topic03:30
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aukpbl: what have you got in the way of gtk+ ?03:30
kbrookswonderland, OT alert03:30
wonderlandcan bob2 stop bosing me about and picking on me03:30
IIIEarsthorauputic - hehe03:30
signbarnpbl: that's a pretty slick theme. i like it03:30
chaps0063wonderland: bye.03:30
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DAC1138to be honest, wonderland is the worst ive seen on any linux irc chat03:30
nickrudlol, wonderland bob2 is bos03:30
bob2I'lll un+q when I get to Sydney03:30
chaps0063bob2: when are you going there?03:31
kbrookswonderland, bob2 is boss03:31
thoreauputicDAC1138: you're new here, aren't you ? *grin*03:31
DAC1138thoreauputic, not really, ive been here ltos before03:31
Madpilotbob2: you're going to Sydney in about ten years, right? :)03:31
DAC1138thoreauputic, ive never really been this active though03:31
kbrooksnalioth03:31
bob2chaps0063: about tne minutes ;)03:31
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kevinI am going there by the time I die lol03:31
DAC1138thoreauputic, but im saying of all the linux chats ive been in, #linux, #suse, #slackware, #vector, ive been around03:31
thoreauputicDAC1138: it was a reference to a well known slashdot meme actually :)03:31
chaps0063bob2: hehe...I'd love to go.03:31
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aukpbl: got any GTK+ mac-liek buttons, by any chance?03:32
kbrooksand unfair03:32
chaps0063kbrooks: he probably has no clue it even happened.03:32
kbrookschaps0063, so?03:32
DAC1138tritium, yeah, i remember you, you were the one who told me about the linux headers needing to be installed03:32
plbauk: no but i can make some03:32
naliothkbrooks03:32
Madpilotchaps0063: did wonderland have any clue to begin with?03:32
tritiumDAC1138, cool :)03:32
chaps0063kbrooks: just pointing it out.03:32
DAC1138tritium, back when i had the kernel compiling problems like im having now03:32
chaps0063Madpilot: this is true.03:32
tritiumstill?03:32
kbrooksnalioth: is the +q fair? ;)03:33
DAC1138tritium, by the way, that headers tip was awsome, thanks. saved my butt on many other distros too03:33
bob2kbrooks: yes, irc is kinda inherently undemocratic03:33
aukpbl: i'm hacking a gtk/metacity theme to make it more what i want, but all the mac buttons i find are cheesy-looking03:33
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tritiumDAC1138, of course :)03:33
bob2kbrooks: I try very hard to not remove people just because they annoy me03:33
IIIEarsUbuntuans are a considerate bunch. - banning isn't done lightly03:33
naliothkbrooks: bob2 did wonderland a favor. he allowed wonderland to stay to soak up all this wonderful knowledge, w/o disrupting the dispersal of said knowledge03:33
plbauk: google os x themes there are a few good sites out there03:33
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chaps0063bob2: from what I witnessed, your patience is great.03:33
kevinuh hu03:33
trinidadHELP! How do i remove the stipple from detailed list view in konqueror when i browse my folders?03:34
plbbrb03:34
nickrudlol, when I first started following this channel ...03:34
chaps0063bob2: he would've been gone after the first "is there any girls here" for two reason, one for being off topic, two for improper grammar.03:34
teferiman, I have had it up to here with not having any kind of new-mail notification from evolution. time to learn how to use dbus and write a notification-area thingy...03:34
bob2trinidad: #kubuntu or #kde might know more, but is there nothing in the options?03:34
DAC1138chaps0063, sexual harassment come in anywhere?03:34
bob2chaps0063: hah03:34
naliothchaps0063: there are many non-native-english speakers in here.03:34
tritiumteferi, I do believe it's being worked on03:34
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redtechI dont want to use gnucash...  is there a package for quotations/invoicing ?03:35
bob2teferi: that would be awesome03:35
teferitritium: there was one called em-panel-applet03:35
teferibut it didn't get updated after the big dbus api breakage03:35
chaps0063nalioth: understood, but his spelling was bad also....and if english was his second language then I would retract that statement.03:35
nickrudteferi, someone mentioned http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=402 , I haven't tried it yet03:35
tritiumteferi, ah, I see.03:35
IIIEarsin ubuntu "SWM" is a window manger - lol03:35
naliothchaps0063: i look at attitude over anything else03:35
teferinickrud: i'm skeptical as to how recent that is03:36
teferinickrud: in particular, as of september 29, 2004, the evolution dbus plugin didn't even exisit yet03:36
chaps0063nalioth: well, I guess I judge based on spelling/grammar (at least online, and within emails) to see how the person's attitude might be.03:36
nickrudteferi, it uses filters, as I read it, so it's a hack, but it may work for now03:37
teferibob2: i can't imagine it'd be very hard...if there's ruby bindings, i'll hack with that, otherwise i'll brush up on my python03:37
Will_'is there any girls here', classic.03:37
trinidadbob2, nothing I can see03:37
chaps0063nalioth: I guess its because I'm a stickler about spelling, etc.03:37
teferinickrud: but there's no reason to do it that way anymore, now that evolution puts messages on d-bus when mail comes in03:37
nickrudteferi, when someone writes it, I'll send a donation.03:37
auk!scribus03:37
ubotuBugger all, i dunno, auk03:37
teferinickrud: hey, i'm working on it now :P03:37
auk!info scribus03:37
chaps0063bob2: is it possible Channel Topic we could append "is there any girls here"?03:37
ubotuscribus: (free software desktop page layout program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.2.1-1ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 4414 kB, Installed size: 13080 kB03:37
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tritiumteferi, awesome!03:38
naliothnickrud: want my pp info?03:38
teferifoo, no dbus ruby bindings03:38
teferitime to relearn python :/03:38
nickrudnalioth, sure03:38
nickrudwhatever pp is ;P03:38
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IIIEarsSpreadFirefox site was hacked (PHP/Drupal) - wow03:38
teferiwhat do you expect from php?03:38
naliothnickrud: since you're passing out $03:38
nickrudoh, paypal, duh03:38
nickrudnalioth, give it to me in person03:39
julzHi. Can Ubuntu run fine on an *External USB Hard Drive* and still use other  USB devices easily?03:39
bob2julz: except that your bios probably can't boot it, yes03:39
aukIIIEars: yeah, taht's what i thought03:39
bob2chaps0063: hah, the answer is "yes"03:39
teferigrr, i saw a dbus tutorial on planet gnome just yesterday03:39
HrdwrBoBbob2: most modern bioses can, but ..03:40
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chaps0063bob2: yes!03:40
HrdwrBoBI don't know why you would do that03:40
nickrudteferi, that is the one thing that I truly want, so I was serious :)03:40
sizzami can't get mail-notification to start, any suggestions on where to start troubleshooting?03:40
julzbob2: it can. i just heard that with usb, adding another device can cause the drive to unmount03:40
aukbob2: why probably can't boot it?03:40
teferiTHERE03:40
teferifound it...03:40
teferigreat, now to figure out how to make a notification area icon show up03:41
aukmost computers can...03:41
julzso no usb problems?03:41
tritiumsizzam, did you go to System->Preferences->Mail Notification and configure it after adding the applet?03:41
HrdwrBoBjulz: it's just a bad idea in general03:41
julzhow come?03:41
aukjulz: is it for a live distro03:42
auk?03:42
aukor something?03:42
HrdwrBoBbecause USB is slow and not generally reliable03:42
bob2auk: I guess I'm out of date03:42
sizzamtritium:  thanks.  do you know where the actual file is that holds those settings in case i need to wipe it03:42
bob2julz: I'd be pretty surprised if it managed to unmount /03:42
bob2?win2903:42
auklinux-live.or03:42
julzi would use usb cos my main drive is for windows and i cant change it (families)03:42
sizzamtritium:  i dont see anything obviously labeled in /home/<user>03:42
aukg03:42
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tritiumsizzam, under ~/.gconf/apps/mail-notification, but I don't think you want to be editing that by hand03:43
aukjulz: for a desktop distro, you would be much better partitioning03:43
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sizzamtritium:  thanks again03:44
tritiumsizzam, no problem03:44
julzauk: but it would still work ok on usb03:44
teferigeh, that's not good...03:44
nickrudteferi, and if I can make a feature request: per folder notification ;)03:45
teferinickrud: doable, but not right now03:45
nickrudfirst things first, I guess03:45
teferiyeah03:45
teferi the dbus signal says what folder the mail is in, so it's just a matter of parsing03:45
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JDahljulz, I tried to boot both Debian and Ubuntu from a USB harddrive about a year ago, but I could never get it to work... Installation went smoothly, but the boot process stopped halfway through03:46
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nickrudthere was a thing (flink?) that I used for a bit, but was just too darn hard to keep in sync, and was extremely buggy03:46
IIIEarsAdding Ubuntu to a second spare disk seems to be the way to go as windows will fdisk your ubuntu in a heartbeat with a one of those frequently needed reinstalls.03:46
DukGalNamui got a quick couple of questions, does ubuuntu have good wireless support for laptops?03:47
julzJDahl: what do you suggest then?03:47
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damneinstiendoes anyone know if ubuntu has released the new patches for firefox and gaim?03:47
tritiumdamneinstien, not for firefox 1.0.503:47
damneinstienfor gaim?03:47
tritiumdamneinstien, don't believe so03:47
JDahljulz, I am suggesting anyway - just saying it didnt work for me - and I put alot of effort03:47
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teferihow the hell is dpkg running out of memory?!03:48
JDahlinto it03:48
damneinstienDukGalNamu, great support for laptops. personally running centrino03:48
tritiumDukGalNamu, it depends on the chipset03:48
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tritiumDukGalNamu, for example, Airport Extreme on Apple laptops is not supported03:48
JDahljulz, erm... I am not suggesting anything03:48
julzbut how did u solve ur problem?03:48
JDahljulz, I didnt03:49
IIIEarstritium - no wrappers for aiport extreme?03:49
DukGalNamutritium: but a basic PC laptop should be supported..03:49
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IIIEarseye stile canned spell03:49
tritiumIIIEars, no03:49
DukGalNamuok then does ubuntu have any remote testing software for systems?03:49
DukGalNamummmm i love canned spell....03:49
tritiumDukGalNamu, in general03:49
JDahljulz, at that time there was something wrong the Sarge's stock initrd, I dont know if it's fixed now03:49
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tritiumbob2, how long will you be down under?03:50
teferinoooo, session-saver didn't...03:50
sizzamanyone use nzb files for newsgroups?03:50
DukGalNamutell me if that was not clear enough03:50
julzJDahl: so it may work?03:50
JDahljulz, there's only one way to find out ;)03:51
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DukGalNamuok let me try again, is there any type of remotes system diagnostic tools for ubuntu (for diagnosing computers that i were to connect to the ubuntu machine)03:52
julzno way! i just wiped my other hard drive.03:52
DukGalNamujulz: was it ext2?03:53
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tritiumDukGalNamu, you can always setup a ssh server on the ubuntu machine03:53
julzwindows. i used partition magic to resize the ntfs so i could install linux, now i want an external so i dont destroy it again03:54
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DukGalNamutritium: what i want is to be able to hook the ubuntu machine up to a not to good working machine and diagnose any problems it ay be having...03:54
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tritiumDukGalNamu, I'm not aware of anything like that03:55
DukGalNamuhmm.....03:55
DukGalNamusad03:55
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DukGalNamutritium: but i could use it to diagnose a problem with a network right?03:56
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tritiumDukGalNamu, yes03:56
DukGalNamutritium: at least i could do that much :P03:56
DukGalNamutritium: do you know of any other utalitarian uses of an ubuntu laptop?03:57
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tritiumDukGalNamu, I could hardly enumerate them all ;)03:57
naliothDukGalNamu: use the LiveCD03:57
levanderAnybody has a link to that wiki where they're talking about what they're going to do in Ubuntu for Breezy? I'm working on a backup strategy and think I remember them standardizing on a backup tool for Breezy in there.03:57
MIK3MANI just installed ubuntu and my X will not start up... can someone try and help me here03:58
MIK3MANI am going to reboot03:58
naliothMIK3MAN: no need to reboot03:58
DukGalNamunalioth: but that doesn't accomplish what i need, and that is a complete, standalone point where i can access anything i need about another computer03:58
tritiumMIK3MAN, which video chipset?03:58
MIK3MANati rage pro03:59
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naliothDukGalNamu: what OS is on the other computer?03:59
tritiumMIK3MAN, did you follow http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ?03:59
DukGalNamuMIK3MAN: make sure your mouse is plugged in and that you plugged both your mouse and keyboard in BEFORE you started up03:59
MIK3MANtritium: not yet, but I will03:59
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DukGalNamunalioth: most likely it will be a winbloze03:59
chaps0063what is a good application to remote desktop to windows machines besides rdesktop?03:59
tritiumMIK3MAN, I'm not sure you want to.  I don't know if Rage Pro is supported with fglrx.  That's why I'm asking.04:00
kjonI need help compiling gnomebaker 0.4. Anybody can help me???04:00
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naliothDukGalNamu: so what do you want to know about the 'not-so-good" system?04:00
thoreauputickjon: gnomebaker is in ubuntu04:00
thoreauputickjon: you don't need to compile it04:00
kjonthoreauputic: Have you seen the features of gnomebaker 0.4???04:00
bimberichaps0063: vnc04:00
naliothtritium: the VESA driver will operate his video successfully04:00
tritiumnalioth, thank you...04:01
DukGalNamunalioth: basically, check hard drive, irg problems, mobo problems, etc04:01
DukGalNamunalioth: *irq04:01
thoreauputickjon: ah my  bad - I didn't read the version number, sorry04:01
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naliothDukGalNamu: the LiveCd will do that, as will the new knoppix04:01
nickrudlevander, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals04:01
teferiyay, completely undocumented stuff...04:01
chaps0063bimberi: vncserver or xvncviewer04:01
flodinecan someone tell me way i cant use gaim 1.404:01
DukGalNamunalioth: but i can't do it from another computer remotly?04:01
teferithe state of the gnome docs is a tragedy04:01
MIK3MANtritium: hmmm, another problem wiki points me to apt-get, but I have to configure my wireless still... grrrr04:01
levandernickrud: thanks04:02
kjongnomebaker is quite cool. But, the "./configure" shows me an error about a "vorbisfile.pc" file...04:02
bimberichaps0063: vncserver on the m/c you want to control, viewer on the controlling m/c04:02
kjonI heard that those files are related to pkg-config. But, I don't know how to get that damned file.04:02
nickrudgoogle to the rescue :)04:02
naliothDukGalNamu: windows is not a "network operating system" for one, and two if it's not working well, adding extra connectivity features to it isnt gonna help04:02
tritiumMIK3MAN, please don't follow that wiki page.  Rage Pro is not supported by fglrx.  nalioth pointed out that you likely want the VESA driver04:02
teferii've been googling for half an hour now04:02
thoreauputic!find vorbisfile.pc04:02
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teferii may just have to dig through the source, which we all know is the /best/ way of learning a new language and new api04:03
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nickrudah, but I knew it existed :)04:03
ubotuUbuntu Search of 'vorbisfile.pc' (1 shown): (/usr/lib/pkgconfig/vorbisfile.pc) in libdevel/libvorbis-dev.04:03
DukGalNamunalioth: what about remote burn in?04:03
kjonthoreauputic: Didn't work. Even if I tried to install some vorbis-devel packages...04:03
naliothDukGalNamu: you need "the ultimate boot cd" it has burnin capability04:03
MIK3MANtritium: ok, so just get the proper driver?? I dont understand why this happened, I used the live cd for 2 days and it detected the proper driver04:03
tritiumkjon, you installed libvorbis-dev?04:03
thoreauputickjon: I think ubotu just gave ab abswer though...04:04
sizzamgrrrrrr, i can't get firefox to start04:04
redtechanyone know of a simple,small quotation/invoice program?04:04
kjonI tried with apt, but I couldn't find anything...04:04
thoreauputic*an answer04:04
DukGalNamunalioth: so ultimate boot cd and new knoppix...04:04
tritiumMIK3MAN, the installer should have.  Can we please see your /etc/X11/xorg.conf?  Please paste it on pastebin04:04
MIK3MANrage pro is very popular chipset04:04
sizzami see 'starting firefox' in my window list, and then it disappears04:04
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DukGalNamunalioth: what if i am faced with a client... with no cd or disk access..?04:04
kjonSo? what should I do? make a few prays and give my life to apt?04:04
MIK3MANtritium: I am on a separate machine, winblows xp04:04
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snackalotAnbody know y package manager wont open when i have wine running04:04
tritiumMIK3MAN, okay04:05
IIIEarsthere is a "Free iso burner powertoy" available for windows written by alex feinmann04:05
teferieternal love to someone who can help me figure out how to do a notification area icon in python...04:05
thoreauputickjon: install libvorbis-dev  ?04:05
DukGalNamuor a bootleg alcohol04:05
naliothDukGalNamu: go and check out the featureset on "tubcd" and you may not need knoppix or ubuntu-live04:05
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DukGalNamunalioth: tubcd....04:06
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IIIEarsalcohol 120% is terrific04:06
caonexwhat are you suppose to do when hal is not running? How can one restart it?04:06
naliothDukGalNamu: The Ultimate Boot CD04:06
naliothDukGalNamu: typing out the same thing all the time leads to stress04:06
nickrud120% O-004:06
DukGalNamunalioth: hehe, i see...04:06
enumhi.. I jjust completed an install of ubuntu, and xmms will "play" with alsa enabled, but no sound.. I get system sounds, and such.. Any ideas?04:07
IIIEarsFaxes nalioth two aspirin and a cold pepsi04:07
kjonReading package lists... Done04:07
kjonBuilding dependency tree... Done04:07
kjonE: Couldn't find package libvorbis-dev04:07
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nickrudenum, you need to set xmms to use esd04:07
DukGalNamuenum: turn up the volume?04:07
enumnickrud, why ESD?04:07
cwilluif I say uqm, does anybody here know what I'm talking about?04:07
naliothMIK3MAN: on your video, log in and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and when you get to the driver section, choose VESA (make sure you choose the rez options you want, also)04:07
bob2tritium: hah, I live here04:07
damneinstienenum, thats a problem with ubuntu not accepting sounds from more than 1 source04:08
tritiumbob2, oh, didn't realize that.  Sorry :)04:08
nickrudenum, that's the sound server for gnome, and see damneinstien04:08
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gyaresu_bob2, what time zone are you in?04:08
kjondamneinstien: I had the same trouble! - I fixed installing the alsa libraries!04:08
enumhmm.. changed it in xmms, and still no sound04:08
MIK3MANnalioth: thanks, gimme a min04:08
bob2gyaresu_: +1004:09
kjonenum: With the multimedia selector, pick alsa instead osd!04:09
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damneinstieni followed a guide on ubuntuforums04:09
damneinstienim trying to find it for enum04:09
nickrud!sound04:09
ubotuwell, sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3206304:09
cwillusuppose I'm safe bringing libc6 up to 2.3.2.ds1-21 from 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu?04:09
gyaresu_bob2, same. figures.04:09
kjon!libvorbis-dev04:09
ubotukjon: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?04:09
kevinnow I remember why I quit using windblows, it eats the CPU baddddddddddd04:09
snackaloti cant get xmm to work at all thought i had all drivers in but dont no04:09
nickrud!sound04:09
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damneinstienenum try: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3206304:09
kjon!libvorbis04:10
ubotuI don't know, kjon04:10
naliothkjon: you want !info libvorbis-dev04:10
snackalotyes04:10
chaps0063bimberi: so I have xvncviewer installed but I can't get to my windows desktop.04:10
cwilluanybody?04:10
snackalotthanks04:10
kjonT-T I can't compile gnomebaker T-T :'(04:10
cwilluchaps0063:  you have a vnc server running on your windows machine?04:10
naliothcwillu: i'd leave it alone. libc6 runs your box04:10
Steve0 Does anyone know how to keep movies' audio/video in sync in various Linux players? I'm trying to play a series of movies that play fine in Windows.04:10
kjonwhere is that damed libvorbis-devel (or dev) --- I can't find it anywhere!04:10
naliothcwillu: and changing anything about it could kill the box04:10
nickrudkjon, good advice, if his card can do hardware mixing of multiple sound streams04:10
cwilluand my box does nothing importatn04:10
chaps0063cwillu: no, thats why I figured it wouldn't work...I was hoping to just use remote desktop.04:10
snackalotuse search04:11
bimberichaps0063: Hm - I may have misunderstood your Q - you will need to install vncserver on the remote m/c04:11
cwilluchaps0063:  download ultravnc for the windows box04:11
tritiumkjon, main repo04:11
cwilluthen you should be able to connect just fine04:11
chaps0063bimberi: ok...np04:11
flodinecan i upgrade my gaim 1.404:11
chaps0063cwillu: well not every machine I am going to use I have vnc installed on.04:11
damneinstienanyone know about directx 9.0 w/wine?04:11
bimberichaps0063: apologies :)04:11
kjonok, I'll try that... t-T04:11
sizzami can't get firefox to start for my account.  it works for  a different account on this machine.  ive killed my .mozilla folder, still wont start, any suggestions?04:11
cwilluchaps0063:  what's the context?04:11
flodinehello help04:11
gyaresu_Steve0, i found the same prob last night.04:11
cwillui.e., I've got a script to remote install vnc if you have admin04:12
kjon!info libvorbis-dev04:12
chaps0063cwillu: the network admin won't like that.04:12
ubotulibvorbis-dev: (The Vorbis General Audio Compression Codec (development files)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 446 kB, Installed size: 1996 kB04:12
gyaresu_Steve0, no solution though.04:12
cwilluif it's 2k+, you can just use remote desktop04:12
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snackalotcan someone tell me how to install bin. file04:12
chaps0063cwillu: I can do that, but I was hoping for something with an interface similar to windows' remote desktop app04:12
Zerboxxhow well does partitioning work within ubuntu?  I currently have a dual boot system, and I want to move files from my windows partition to ubuntu's and then remove windows.  How well will this all work out?04:13
kevinI use it all of the time at work (RDP) that is04:13
cwillu...04:13
tritiumsnackalot, what is it, if I may ask?04:13
damneinstienzerboxx, mount ur ntfs partition and copy files over04:13
cwilluinteret | terminal server client is what you're looking for I think04:13
chaps0063cwillu: never mind, its terminal server client.04:13
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cwillu:p04:13
chaps0063cwillu: lol.04:13
Zerboxxdamneinstien: alright, and after they're all on the ubuntu partition?04:13
DukGalNamunalioth: hmm, you are right, thats cool...04:14
snackalotwell i would like to install bin files and tar and dnh04:14
damneinstienthen format the windows partition04:14
caonexi am running ubuntu but when i log in to gnome, my desktop is basically empty. It only has the two bars, empty, and a empty background as well.04:14
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Zerboxxdamneinstien: and when that is combined to my current linux partition it will all work nicely?04:14
levanderokay, not much on the breezy wiki about backing up, it's going to be a Windows System Restore thing.  Anybody with recommendations on how to backup serveral directories on my Ubuntu box?  What utilities to use?  I want to backup to DVD-RW04:14
caonexI read in the xsessionerrors that it has to do with hal and gnome=device-manager04:14
caonexany ideas?04:14
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kevinok, later all it is time for my shower and maybe some sleep will worklol04:14
cwillusleep's overrated04:15
Burgundavialevander, there is a guide here --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BackupYourSystem04:15
enumhmm.. tried the multimedia selector.. maybe I am doing something wrong04:15
Burgundavialevander, but be caeeful with it04:15
swosHi, I have a quick question regarding APT.  Any takers?04:15
damneinstienzerboxx: I never did that : (.. all i did was create another ext3 and had another partition running besides /04:15
cwillushoot04:15
nickrudswos, sure, I'll bite04:15
chaps0063cwillu: that is what I was looking for...thanks for the help..04:15
cwillunp04:15
chaps0063cwillu: I'm getting closer and closer to dropping windows..04:15
cwilluheh04:15
cwilluI know the feeling04:15
chaps0063if I can get the tablet to work on this laptop, its gone.04:15
kevogodI dropped Windows awhile ago. No looking back.04:16
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axishoy04:16
cwilluhoy hoy04:16
MIK3MANnalioth: I tried that command you gave me a few times, I keep getting "conflicting actions --control and --remove"04:16
kevogodAlthough I am not using Ubuntu... heh04:16
chaps0063kevogod: I have a tablet pc, the tablet doesnt work so I still like that..04:16
snackalothow to install real player04:16
swosI've just upgraded my system from woody.  My sources.list file was overwritten with the default Ubuntu sources.list (I assume this is what happened).  If I attempt to uncomment any of the lines with remote servers and run apt-get update, I receive an error stating that the connection was refused.  Any ideas what could be causing this?04:16
nickrudsnackalot, advice here will depend on what you're installing04:16
axiswhat different kernels are there for amd6404:16
levanderBurgundavia: they recommend using tar to back everything up, I was thinking of doing incremental backups04:16
naliothtritium: have you seen MIK3MAN's errors with dpkg?04:16
axisi can't find anything on ubuntulinux.org about it04:16
swos(Upgraded to hoary.)04:16
tritiumnalioth, no, let me scroll up...thanks04:16
nickrudswos, I have bitten more thain I can chew, wood->hoary is very hoary :)04:17
cwilluswos, you still have network on that machine?04:17
axisi'm running amd64-generic, but i think there's a kernel for the k804:17
swosnickrud: hehe, gotcha.04:17
swoscwells: Indeed.04:17
Burgundavialevander, a simple backup solution is coming04:17
tritiumMIK3MAN, what command did you run?04:17
snackalotsettrack-3.1.5.tar.gz and y dos it matter dont u do it the same every time???04:17
MIK3MANtritium: I can go into the x11 directory and manually edit, if you help04:17
Burgundavialevander, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleBackupSolution04:17
MIK3MAN:O)04:17
kevogodchaps0063: What Tablet PC do you have?04:17
cwillufirst things first, can you ping those hosts?04:17
swoscwells: I thought the list of servres may have changed, so I attempted to hunt those down.  No dice.04:17
chaps0063kevogod: Fujitsu Lifebook T4010D04:17
nickrud!info settrack04:17
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chaps0063kevogod: its sweet.04:18
MIK3MANsudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg04:18
tritiumMIK3MAN, trying to.  what were you doing with dpkg?04:18
levanderBurgundavia: yeah, i just read about that, but not until breezy.  And, it's just a bounty task.  Who knows if the random guy will come through for the bounty.04:18
swoscwells: Just a sec.04:18
Burgundavialevander, he is being paid 4500 USD by google to do it04:18
MIK3MANtrying to set the normal vesa driver04:18
swoscwells: Yes, I can.04:18
chaps0063kevogod: tablet, modem (read that most fujitsu modems don't work), and brightness control don't work.04:18
kevogodchaps006: What kind of problems are you running into?04:18
MIK3MANso I can get in x04:18
kjonI tried to look for libvorbis-devel with synaptic. The most similar match was "libvorbis0" (or something like that), but I couldn't find anything related to "libvorbis-devel" (even with the information of the bot). What can I do?04:18
chaps0063kevogod: the simple fact I have no clue how to get it to work. :-)04:18
kevogod(answered I see)04:18
cwillucan you paste in one of the repo lines?04:18
levanderBurgundavia: $4500?? It's going to take only three weeks to do it? $4500 isn't much.04:19
cwilluI'll double check it on my machine04:19
kevogodSo it boots all up and everything, just those won't work?04:19
Burgundavialevander, is part of google Summer of Code04:19
chaps0063kevogod: oh yes, it works great but those things.04:19
enumugh04:19
levanderBurgundavia: what does that mean, that it's being done by a college student?04:19
tritiumkjon, make sure you have a proper /etc/apt/sources.list, and that you've clicked "Reload" to start04:19
Burgundavialevander, yes04:19
naliothtritium: MIK3MAN is trying to reconfigure xserver to VESA04:19
levanderBurgundavia: Summer of Code doesn't sound like a promise that it'll be done.04:19
Burgundavialevander, no, but it is likely04:20
Burgundavia4500 is a lot of money04:20
tritiumnalioth, yeah.  I've not seen that error before...04:20
kevogodchaps0063: Have you tried http://linmodems.org/?04:20
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chaps0063kevogod: not really, the modem isn't high on my priority list of things to get to work04:20
chaps0063kevogod: but I will check it out.04:20
kjontritium: I added to my repositories' list all the ubuntu 5.04 related servers....04:20
enumgot  it04:20
tritiumMIK3MAN, did you just install?  did it complete?04:20
naliothMIK3MAN: did you do a server install, by chance?04:20
levander$4500? $60K/year is very cheap for a programmer in the US for a programmer.  And, $4500 isn't even one month if you make $60K/year04:20
swoscwillu: I feel rather silly now.. it's working.04:20
tritiumkjon, did you update the list of packages?04:21
cwilluheh :)04:21
swoscwillu: For whatever reason.04:21
cwilluno problem :p04:21
chaps0063kevogod: I want the tablet to work but I just don't know how to go about it.04:21
chaps0063kevogod: like who to talk to, etc.04:21
swosThanks, though ;)04:21
teferi#!%#!%ing lack of docs04:21
kjontritium: Yes, I did. I do that three times a week.04:21
cwilluany time :)04:21
swosI'll probably hang out in here for a while.  I'm sure I'm bound to find some other snags.04:21
levanderAnybody know of a solution to do incremental backups to a DVD-RW?04:21
tritiumteferi, for which package?04:21
teferitritium: python-gnome2-extras{-dev}04:21
chaps0063swos: I hang out here so that when I break something, I don't have to run that far.04:21
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tritiumteferi, nothing good under /usr/share/doc ?04:22
teferitritium: i've been using debian and derivatives for seven years now, that's the second place i check...04:22
tritium;)04:22
MIK3MANnalioth: I did a normal install04:22
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tritiumMIK3MAN, did it complete succesfully?04:22
teferianyway, I have the FFI defs right here04:22
teferiwhich you'd think would be helpful04:22
swoschaps0063: Yeah.  After documentation fails, it's certainly nice to have live help.04:22
teferibut aren't04:22
chaps0063swos: documentation ? ;-)04:22
bojanglesdoes anybody know where the #tex channel is.04:23
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tritiumwe don't need no stinkin documentation04:23
chaps0063swos: to me. documentation = #ubuntu04:23
chaps0063lol.04:23
swoslol04:23
snackalothow can i installrealplayer04:23
swosI like to refer to the docs before I come in here and make an ass of myself is all ;)04:23
tritiumbojangles, what's your tex question?04:23
MIK3MANtritium: I did get one error that said it was unsuccessful, then it brought me to the main menu and I chose base install I think it was called04:23
tritiumswos, that's a good policy.  I was merely joking04:23
teferiwonder if there's a pygtk irc channel, hm.04:23
teferiyep.04:24
swostritium: heh, yes, I know.04:24
teferii'll go give *them* a piece of my mind04:24
chaps0063snackalot: sudo apt-get install realplayer04:24
bojanglestritium, well i am trying to figure out what directory is the tex-input directory for the files srctlx.sty and srctex.sty04:24
tritiumMIK3MAN, do you recall the error?04:24
MIK3MANtritium: the base install completed ok and it then installed the grub ok04:24
chaps0063snackalot: but make sure you visit http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories and add then.04:24
snackalotthank you verry mutch!!!!!!!!!!!!04:24
Burgundaviachaps0063, please don't recommend ubuntuguide.org04:24
chaps0063Burgundavia: why?04:24
Ubuntuguiderock!04:24
Ubuntuguideis best !04:25
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Burgundaviachaps0063, some incorrect info with no explanations04:25
Burgundaviachaps0063, the wiki is better04:25
tritiumbojangles, where they installed from a particular package?04:25
bojanglestritium, do you have any idea what directory to place those files in.04:25
MIK3MANtritium: said something like not being able to completely install all the packages,"maybe a bad cd" is what it said04:25
chaps0063snackalot: never mind ubuntuguide..04:25
bojanglestritium, no...kile installation is still bad...so i had to go get the files but where to put them?04:25
gyaresu_Burgundavia, chaps0063 the wiki is incomplete. more of US need to be adding to the wiki.04:25
ukatoi'm having some trouble getting my wireless card to work. my computer can see my card, but i don't have access to my network or the internet04:25
ukatoany ideas04:25
damneinstienwhat card ukato?04:26
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MIK3MANtritium: I figured it was my wireless network04:26
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ukatosomething by airlink10104:26
tritiumbojangles, for system-wide, you can use /usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex04:26
bojanglestritium, i found the files inside kdvi...but i am not sure where to put them so tex will know they are available04:26
ukatomodel is AWLH403004:26
MIK3MANtritium: it gave me the option to hit enter to continue04:26
bojanglestritium, that will be fine...let me try that04:26
tritiumbojangles, for just your user, under ~/texmf/tex/latex04:26
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damneinstienukato: never worked w/airlink..04:26
jasoncohendoes anyone else notice that gnome-system-monitor in Hoary loses its settings each time the program is restarted? I removed a few process columns and enabled a few, and after restarting the program, the settings had reverted back to default.04:26
tritiumbojangles, don't forget to run texhash after you install them04:27
jasoncohenare you guys seeing the same issue?04:27
ukatodamn04:27
light_punch2does *.deb packages works with ubuntu?04:27
tritiumMIK3MAN, that does not sound good04:27
damneinstienlight_punch2: yes04:27
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jasoncoheni created a new bug report because there wasn't one for this issue04:27
naliothlight_punch2: its not advised to use non official debs in ubuntu04:27
tritiumlight_punch2, yes, that's wht ubuntu uses, but you shouldn't mix .debs from various distributions.  You should use ubuntu .debs04:27
gyaresu_light_punch2, damneinstien : they just may break things...04:27
Burgundaviajasoncohen, I just noticed your bug. The breezy version will not save across sessions04:28
axisANY confirmed SATA installs with 32bit i/o04:28
MIK3MANyeah I know, I think I'm gonna look for a diff distro, I was running ok with Mepis and fluxblox, but I thought I would give ubuntu a shot04:28
light_punch2ok, cause i have a few debian ISOs / cdRs here.04:28
snackalothay chaps thanks that helped alot it realey helps to know were to go for info04:28
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chaps0063snackalot: np.04:28
MIK3MANwhat do you guys think of xfce?? I never tried it04:29
axisANY confirmed SATA installs with 32bit i/o04:29
axisANY confirmed SATA installs with 32bit i/o04:29
jasoncohenBurgundavia, if you change the settings, close the program and restart it in the same session, do the settings remain or are they reverted back to default?04:29
tritiumMIK3MAN, it's probably a bad burn.  Make sur ethe CD image you have is good04:29
axisxfce is lame04:29
axisso bare04:29
chaps0063!repeating04:29
ubotuNo idea, chaps006304:29
teferiah, god bless irc04:29
axistoo bare04:29
teferifound sample code04:29
axisi feel naked with xcfe04:29
chaps0063!repeat04:29
Burgundaviajasoncohen, the changes remain within one sessin04:29
jasoncohenMIK3MAN, you should verify the MD5 sum before burning04:29
tritiumaxis, please don't repeat04:29
ubotuchaps0063: Are you smoking crack?04:29
kahles1some people like bare wms :)04:29
light_punch2the archive utility mount the ISOs fine, considering that, it's from an external harddrive formatted as NTFS.04:29
kahles1im using fluxbox here04:29
Madpilotaxis: stop repeating yourself, pls. but yes, I'm on a SATA HDD right now...04:29
gyaresu_axis, hdparm doesn't seem to give clear info back but i get constant ~50-66MB/sec04:29
axisha gah04:29
MIK3MANdoes that mean I have to redownload the image?? or just reburn??04:29
light_punch2MIK3MAN, download a live cd with xfce on it.04:30
tritiumMIK3MAN, first check its md5sum04:30
axisMadpilot:  i'm on a msi k8t neo2 plat. running 1 maxtor 16mb cache 250gig SATA . it installs great, dma enables, 32 bit io .. nope04:30
MIK3MANtritium: I know K3B auto does that, but what about windows?04:30
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tritiumMIK3MAN, I don't use windows, and can't say.04:30
jasoncohenBurgundavia, ok, well i did a bug report. we'll see if anything happens. does ubuntu have enough developers to go through all the bug reports- especially on packages in universe? Each debian package has its own maintainer, and I almost always get some response/fix when i report bugs on debian packages.04:30
MIK3MANlol04:30
axismy hdparm is hdparm -d1 -c3 -a64 -X66 -k1 /dev/sda04:30
gyaresu_axis, md5sum.exe for windows (google)04:31
naliothMIK3MAN: there is a livecd with xfce for its UI04:31
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jasoncoheni actualy just received an email saying that a minor bug i reported on debian's openvpn package has been fixed04:31
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gyaresu_axis, sorry. not you.04:31
MIK3MANlight_punch2: I used the live cd for ubuntu and liked it... look where I am now... I cant get into X04:31
Burgundaviajasoncohen, basically these kinds of bugs get filed upstream with gnome directly04:31
axishehe ok.. i was confused hehe04:31
gyaresu_MIK3MAN, md5sum.exe for windows (google)04:31
Burgundaviajasoncohen, and then when gnome fixes it, it gets fixed in Ubuntu04:31
axisMadpilot: Do you have 32bit i/o enabled on your SATA ??04:32
MIK3MANgyaresu_: thanks, I'll check the image04:32
axisMadpilot: and if so, how did you manager04:32
tritiumMIK3MAN, that is very rare.  Something is likely wrong with your media.  ubuntu would not top distrowatch if it failed like that very often04:32
jasoncohenBurgundavia, but little things like this are only fixed between distribution releases, right?04:32
Madpilotaxis: haven't a clue. WTH is 32bit i/o? the damn thing works, that's all I care about...04:32
jasoncohenhoary-updates are only used for major bug fixes, correct?04:32
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kevogodSecurity04:33
naliothMIK3MAN: have you run apt-get since you installed?04:33
gyaresu_Maddy, hdparm04:33
axisMadpilot, : Your hard disk is running at half speed. drop to root console and type "hdparm /dev/sda"04:33
jasoncohenkevogod, yeah- i was referring to bug fixes-  not security fixes04:33
Burgundaviajasoncohen, gnome is going to release 2.12, so I doubt any fixes will make it and therefor breezy. And you are correct about hoary-upgrades04:33
MIK3MANnalioth: I have wireless, has to be configured04:33
axisand it will say HD_GET ERROR - 32bit i/o not enabled, defaulting to 16bit04:33
MIK3MANbrb, gonna test the image04:33
jasoncohenBurgundavia, when is 2.12 supposed to get released?04:33
naliothMIK3MAN: no ethernet port on your box?04:33
identphas anyone  ever had trouble with kopete?04:33
Burgundaviajasoncohen, http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/TwoPointEleven tells me Sept 7th04:34
axis/dev/sda: IO_support   =  0 (default 16-bit)04:34
bojanglestritium, yes...ok that fixed one problem just fine with kile...but still debian does not seem to have acroread...whatever that is for.04:34
jasoncohenbtw, does mozilla's official firefox build allow updating firefox itself through its update tool?04:34
Madpilotaxis, no ERROR msgs, but it says this: IO_support   =  0 (default 16-bit)04:34
Burgundaviajasoncohen, Breezy already has the major features of .12, as the .11 develpment release04:34
tritiumbojangles, debian, or ubuntu?04:34
jasoncoheni know the ubuntu package has it disabled04:34
giantanyone mind if I ask an OT question ?04:34
kevogodjasoncohen: No.04:34
Burgundaviajasoncohen, yes, but it is disabled for ubuntu04:34
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bojanglestritium, debian sarge04:34
kevogod(sorry, was assuming Ubuntu's version)04:35
axisMadpilot, : yah sorry, it says error when you type "hdparm -d1 -c3 -a64 -X66 -k1 /dev/sda"04:35
tritiumbojangles, you can get it from marillat's repo04:35
bojanglestritium, ok i will try04:35
gyaresu_tritium, bojangles no.04:35
naliothbojangles: but disable the repo when you are done04:35
gyaresu_tritium, bojangles user backports04:35
gyaresu_tritium, bojangles *use04:35
tritiumgyaresu, he's not an ubuntu user04:35
jasoncohenBurgundavia, ah, good. i don't like waiting for the security fixes to be backported to hoary by the security team and i find backport's firefox package to be underpar so i just installed 1.0.5 from the official build04:35
tritiumgyaresu, he's using debian sarge04:35
MIK3MANC:\DOCUME~1\MIKE\DESKTOP>md5sum ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso04:35
MIK3MANf6b3f164c99761234858a4d2c12d0840 *ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso04:35
ukatowith a wireless card, do you have to do any other configuration than what's in Networking in the Admin menu of GNOME04:35
giantI'm working my way through Spidering Hacksy by Oreilly, and they recommend you contact the site before running your spider/scraper04:35
nickrudaxis, have you tried -c1?04:35
gyaresu_tritium, sorry.04:36
MIK3MANdoes that mean it passed??04:36
teferiattn all waiting anxiously on the evolution mail applet thing: i should have a rough prototype tonight!04:36
axisnickrud, : yep04:36
naliothMIK3MAN: no ethernet port on your box?04:36
giantwould this include the sites used in the examples in the book?04:36
tritiumgyaresu, no problem.  Also, backports are unofficial04:36
nickrudok, that's my contribution :)04:36
knowledge_alrighty04:36
axisnickrud,   "hdparm -d1c1 /dev/sda" was what i got from hdparm04:36
knowledge_the reinstall went well04:36
axisman04:36
giantit makes sence that Oreilly would have gotten permission from them beforhand04:36
gyaresu_tritium, all the good stuff though ;)04:36
naliothMIK3MAN: go to the ubuntu d/l page and compare your md5 with the one listed on the d/l page04:36
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axisbut the everything i've googled has crazy stuff .. like "hdparm -d1 -c3 -a64 -X66 -k1 /dev/sda"04:36
tritiumgyaresu, I guess some people feel that way04:36
Madpilotaxis: this isn't an AMD64 box, it's a K7. the 64 bit part might be your problem?04:36
knowledge_but I have a question....what does http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/654 <----Mean?04:36
MIK3MANnalioth: yeah its got both, but I would have to dig out the old net cards and cat504:36
axisMadpilot, : It installs fine, but it's only at 16 bit i/o like yours04:37
axisare you able to change your hd's IO to 32 bit?04:37
tritiumknowledge_, please "sudo apt-get install build-essential" to install a compiler04:37
MIK3MANbrb04:37
cafuegoaxis: The crazy stuff tends to blow up controllers, just c1d1u1 should pop it in the optimal mode.04:37
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Burgundaviajasoncohen, just confirmed that it does save stuff across sessions as well04:37
naliothMIK3MAN: i'd be interested in seeing what happens when you apt-get update/upgrade04:37
Madpilotaxis: I'm not even going to try, frankly. it works, it's stable, and I'm not that speed obbsessed right now...04:37
gyaresu_nickrud, axis I don't now but seial drives seem to not work with hdparm. i have good speed but i returns the same PIO 0 that you've got04:37
knowledge_tritium, thank you kindly04:37
tritiumsure :)04:38
cafuegoaxis: And yes, don believe what hdparm tells you about sata drives.04:38
naliothtritium: dang you are quick04:38
axisHDIO_SET_32BIT failed: Invalid argument04:38
giantI'm having a problem playing .wmv's with mplayer04:38
tritiumnalioth, heh, sometimes04:38
naliothtritium: or my corner of the net is slow04:38
axisHDIO_SET_UNMASKINTR failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device04:38
jasoncohenBurgundavia, cool- so i'll just backport gnome-system-monitor from breezy myself04:38
axisIO_support   =  0 (default 16-bit)04:39
giantI've tried installing the codecs and that helped for .mpg's but totem is buggered and mplayer still won't play .wmv's04:39
naliothgiant: you are out of luck with the newer wmv04:39
cafuegoaxis: hdparm is for pata drives. Not for sata or scsi (to a lesser extent).04:39
chaps0063is there any way to get hibernation to work?04:39
paxgiant: which book are you talking about again?04:39
axiscafuego: so how do i check the transfer rate of my SATA drive?04:39
giantpax, Spidering Hacks04:39
paxgiant: k04:39
cafuegoaxis: copy a large file and time it.04:39
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tritiumchaps0063, it should already.  is it not one of your logout options?04:39
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giantpax, I didn't want to run a spider and have somone jumping my shlt for using an example in the book04:40
axiscafuego, : is there an easier way to get direct results through CLI ?04:40
MIK3MANI dunno guys, I think I have a corrupt download, when I installed it didnt even ask me for a root pass... so I cant switch to root04:40
kahles1eh, does your kernal suport acpi chaps?04:40
tritiumMIK3MAN, no, that's a feature.04:40
cafuegoaxis: Though 'hdparm -tT' might give you a fairly decent result. the other options mainly just don't apply to non-pata drives and controllers.04:40
tritiumMIK3MAN, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo04:40
paxgiant: wep, careful, and exemples in the book mean nothing04:40
chaps0063tritium: ah yes, it is...04:40
tritiumexcellent04:40
chaps0063tritium: however I don't know that it works.04:40
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nalioths_dogMIK3MAN: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo04:41
giantpax, the ones I figured were safe were the ones looking at Oreilly's site and Cpan...04:41
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tritiumchaps0063, it usually does, provided you have a swap partition04:41
axiscafuego, : But if it's saying 16bit i/o, that's got to be what it means .. i mean how else do you check SATA drives ?04:41
chaps0063tritium: which I do.04:41
cafuegoaxis: If it really is PIO 16 bit,. youl get around 3MB/sec04:41
nathanaelI need help - I think I'm addicted to Installs!!!!04:41
tritiumchaps0063, I hope it will work for you, in that case04:41
paxgiant: I would simply contact the person who wrote the book and ask04:41
nathanaelI just re-installed ubuntu for the 3rd time...04:41
axis3600 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1799.37 MB/sec04:41
chaps0063tritium: I tried it, screen went black then gave me pw prompt..04:42
tritiumnathanael, why so often?04:42
nickrudgiant, try doing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo04:42
nathanaelISthere something wrong with me?04:42
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cafuegoaxis: You _don't_ check sata drives because they _don't_ do pio. 'hdparm' is OLD and doesn't KNOW about sata.04:42
tritiumchaps0063, wich laptop?04:42
paxgiant is it Carla Schrode?04:42
nathanaelI just love that New System feel!04:42
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paxgiant is it Carla Schroder*?04:42
chaps0063tritium: Fujitsu Lifebook T4010D04:42
nathanaellol04:42
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cafuegoaxis: That was memory speed, useless benchmark.04:42
tritiumnathanael, well, glad there's no problem ;)04:42
axiscafuego:  pio = primary input output04:42
giantpax, I'll have to go get the book out of my car04:42
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nathanaelWith the computer anyway...04:42
nickrudgiant, if you have gotten w32codecs thru backports, use /usr/lib/win32/ as the source of the links04:42
cafuegoaxis: No, it's Programmed I/O04:42
cafuegoaxis: And it does not apply to sata (or scsi)04:43
nathanaelHas anyone here used the HAIH?04:43
axisTiming buffered disk reads:  178 MB in  3.00 seconds =  59.32 MB/sec04:43
paxgiant: nah never mind04:43
tritiumchaps0063, you might check here, and HoaryPMResults as well: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//HoaryPM04:43
nathanael(after install helper)?04:43
giantpax, by Kevin Hemenway, Tara Calishain04:43
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axis180 megs a second, is that right04:43
shad0whey guys, can anyone help me with mp3s on ubuntu04:43
cafuegoaxis: there you go. that's fairly normal.04:43
bojanglestritium, this is quite good...debian and ubuntu seem to work ok for a change04:43
axisi thought top speed was 150mb04:43
giantpax, ya I did all that,, totem is still buggered04:43
tritiumbojangles, for a change?  You have frequent problems?04:43
axiscafuego, : thanks alot for the info04:43
cafuegoaxis: No.04:43
kevindid I miss soemthing?04:43
tritiumbojangles, so are you using ubuntu then?04:44
kevogodMy name is Kevin. What a coincidence.04:44
axiscafuego, : you say fairly normal.. put should be faster .. hmm..04:44
bojanglestritium, yes there were many problems with ubuntu....and a few with debian sarge04:44
nathanaelshad0w: What's up?04:44
gyaresu_axis, and you'll only get 30MB/sec across a gigabit network.04:44
kevinlol04:44
knowledge_I never knew you could rebuild rpms as .deb04:44
cafuegoaxis: Twekaing sta with hdparm is like using a wrench to turn a small screw. Wrong tool.04:44
axisgyaresu, : really04:44
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nathanaelalien!!!04:44
tritiumbojangles, what problems did you have?04:44
cafuegoaxis: Are you a gentoo user or something?04:44
gyaresu_axis, yes. and ~50MB/sec is fine.04:44
bojanglestritium, well acroread whatever that is is still missing on debian sarge.04:44
MIK3MANok, I read about the root thing... thats cool, but I still dont know what to do... try redownloading and burning the image maybe04:44
shad0wwell mp3s wont play in xmms, and in the jukebox thing it says theres no plugin for it04:44
bojanglestritium, it does seem to be available on ubuntu04:45
tritiumit is04:45
gyaresu_bojangles, it's the adobe reader 7. they renamed it.04:45
knowledge_who wants to help me for a minute or 2 before I disable my WiFi card again04:45
cafuego"Oh my god it's not as fast as yours, i must recompile and tweak it more lolol!"04:45
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axisgreat analogy .. hehe ..  hmm.. i just wish there was another way to look at it04:45
tritiumMIK3MAN, did the md5sum not match?04:45
FormerWindowsUsemust i defrag my drive if im using ext3?04:45
axisbut, hdparm says it enables DMA04:45
bojanglestritium, also i have to recompile smeg for debian sarge as it uses python2.4 instead of 2.304:45
nickrudknowledge_, using alien is a last resort, there's usually a better way04:45
axisso do you think that's actually a correct report?04:45
cafuegoaxis: for PATA, not SATA.04:45
axisi only have 1 drive04:45
bojanglestritium, whereas it just works on ubuntu04:45
knowledge_nickrud, I see04:45
tritiumbojangles, so has #ubuntu become a good debian support channel?04:45
cafuegoaxis: Then hdparm is not a useful tool for you in any way04:46
MIK3MANtritium: I was on the ubuntu site, but they dont have the checksums posted04:46
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bojanglestritium, well i like to have debian, gentoo, ubuntu, mepis working if possible04:46
knowledge_does anyone want to look over a how to that I used before, and see why it caused my wifi card to stop working?04:46
axisit wasn't enabled on a base install,  but once i added hdparm -d1 /dev/sda" in a startup script, it actually worked04:46
shad0wcan someone tell me how i can get MP3's to play in ubuntu04:46
jasoncohenBurgundavia, did you respond to my bug report? - https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1277004:46
tritiumbojangles, I'm just curious, and don't mind you asking debian questions.04:46
bimberishad0w: Hopefully this will help you - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats04:46
axisshad0w, : www.mp3.com04:46
shad0wthanks dude04:46
cafuegoaxis: That's probably a matter of a not-yet-mature driver.04:46
axisLOL04:46
Burgundaviajasoncohen, closed it as fixed04:47
FormerWindowsUsemust i defrag if im using ext3 fs?04:47
kevinknowledge, did you use madwifi?04:47
jasoncohenBurgundavia, ok, just wondering04:47
axiscafuego, : so it could be running at half04:47
tritiumFormerWindowsUse, nope04:47
nickrudFormerWindowsUse, no04:47
gyaresu_FormerWindowsUse, no.04:47
FormerWindowsUsethanks.04:47
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axisi should be getting about 300mb/s04:47
shad0wi just switched from XP to ubuntu today ;o other than the mp3 thing its great04:47
gyaresu_FormerWindowsUse, it's a journaling filing system.04:47
chaps0063tritium: followed it, no dice.04:47
axisman04:47
cafuegoYou just didn't listehn at all.04:47
tritiumMIK3MAN, see the file named "MD5SUMS"04:47
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nathanaelWhy does my kernel always say "mounting TMPfs over /dev/..." at boot?04:47
nickrudif it's said three times, it must be true :)04:47
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tritiumchaps0063, did you look for any HoaryPMResults for your hardware?  Were there any?04:47
axisi know what you're saying, using hdparm to look at SATA is like using a paper towl tube with saran wrap and a drop of water to look at the rings on saturn04:48
gyaresu_axis, you don't know what you are talking about and cafuego is right.04:48
axisgyaresu, : thanks for the update04:48
knowledge_kevin, nah, it worked when I first installed ubuntu then I patched my kernel with a driver for my alps touchpad (just to get scrolling) and it stopped working04:48
MIK3MANtritium: got it thanks04:48
tritiumaxis, please don't pester04:48
gyaresu_axis, s'aight.04:48
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axisdon't act all fucking tough04:48
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axisit's not hard to get a shell04:48
axisand a vhost04:48
chaps0063tritium: not listed.04:48
tritiumaxis, relax, dude04:48
kevinknowledge: did you report the bug?04:48
knowledge_to who?04:49
axisTritium stop telling me what to do04:49
gyaresu_axis, language please.04:49
tritiumaxis, please, don't be a jerk04:49
axisstfu04:49
nickrudaxis, you don't want to go there04:49
tritiumchaps0063, oh, sory04:49
kevinto the bug report built into ubuntu04:49
axisi doubt anyone in here is under 1804:49
tritiumaxis, last warning04:49
axisnickrud, : who are you, mr oc192 boy?04:49
axislets get a gline right now04:49
shad0wactually04:49
shad0wim only 1504:49
thoreauputicaxis: erm... tritium is an op in case you didn't notice04:49
gyaresu_axis, we're here to help.04:49
nickrudno, just a wanna be friend04:49
chaps0063tritium: were you here for wonderland?04:49
knowledge_no sir...kevin I didn't04:49
Will_ops can still be annoying04:49
axislol04:49
chaps0063tritium: its like the total opposite...lol..04:49
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giantI was about to say.... I'd hope people here were under 1804:50
axistrue that04:50
tritiumchaps0063, yeah, I saw that04:50
kevinI would, they will look it over04:50
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axisgiant, : why's that?04:50
axisgiant, : so you can pm them?04:50
knowledge_I think the how to commands had something to do with it04:50
axislol you perv04:50
chaps0063tritium: I don't know why no one has been touching this laptop..04:50
shad0wim 15 d:o04:50
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giantbecause it shows an interest that the younger generation has in Linux and computers04:50
nathanael2204:50
axisshad0w,  look out for giant  .. he's a ped04:50
MIK3MANtritium: chesum matches.. could it be a setting in Nero that did it?? I remember switching to DAO instead of TAO04:50
axis  2304:51
knowledge_because people kept telling me that I had to recompile my kernel with the wifi drivers04:51
shad0wlol04:51
shad0wi love linux! :D04:51
axisshad0w, : ubuntu is the goods04:51
shad0wyea04:51
giantif a computer related chat room ends up having only 18+ people in it... it means the technical expertice of the next generation is sliipping04:51
shad0wi use it on both my comps04:51
axisshad0w, : if you want a challange, rung FREEBSD as your core, then VMware (or other free alternatives)04:51
concept10Anyone here recently switched from Windows to Linux? or just installed Ubuntu this week?04:51
tritiumMIK3MAN, I suppose it's possible. Again, I don't use windows, and hence haven't used nero04:51
giantI'm not perv04:51
giantI just play one at work04:51
shad0wlol04:51
memoryleekconcept10: i did04:51
Will_axis: fbsd is not difficult at all04:51
chaps0063concept10: close, I've had it for a little over a month.04:51
kevinI use it on my desktop and my laptop04:51
shad0wi hate challanges04:51
aruconcept10: as did I04:51
nathanaelI used it on my server...04:51
axisWill_,  I know, hardware support with it is though <:04:51
axisWill_, : i love freebsd04:52
shad0wubuntu is refreshing, after so many years of windows04:52
shad0wand harder distros of linux ;o04:52
MIK3MANhmmm, ok, I am going to redo it on an rw04:52
axisthey've just changed the x-windows install04:52
axisi have to figure that out04:52
Will_axis: It depends on the HW, I guess04:52
axiswhat command it is04:52
axisto   xf86cfg now04:52
Will_axis: Don't use fbsd for desktops though. pointless04:52
memoryleekover the past 2 years linux has changed in leaps and bounds04:52
nathanaelApt is far superior to the windows install process...04:52
axisit's different04:52
MIK3MANshould I maybe try a server install?04:52
concept10Would you guys care to write me an email about what made you go ahead and take the linux plunge?04:52
giantI'm so used to useing KDE on other distro's athat I'm a bit lost in Gnome as of righ now but getting much better04:52
axisWill_, : i want it to run vmware, that is all. it will be my main file server04:52
memoryleekconcept10: addy?04:52
nathanaelAdd Synaptic, and it just smokes XP altogether04:52
axisWill_, : i'm going to use open bsd as my gateway, and ubuntu/xp for my desktops04:52
kevogodFreeBSD can be used a Desktop system pretty easily04:52
tritiumaxis, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg04:53
shad0whave any of you had any luck gaming on ubuntu?04:53
_DuDe_Anyone seen HappyFool recently04:53
concept10Im trying to convince some small business and I need some stories04:53
giantI guess I could install K3B but I'd rather use the Gnome programmed tools for burning stuff04:53
axistritium, : that works for freeBSD ?04:53
tritiumWill_, hopefully you haven't found that to be the case...04:53
nathanaelconcept10: There's a million online already...04:53
tritiumaxis, no, for ubuntu04:53
arukevogod: as can PCBSD :)04:53
kahles1I used to play cs 1.6 on slackware regularlly04:53
axis_DuDe_, : last time i saw him was last night about midnight i think04:53
kahles1havent treid source yet thou04:53
thoreauputicconcept10: worth pressing the advantages of the lack of malware04:53
Will_tritium: HHm?04:53
kevogodYes, but I prefer the real thing aru.04:53
concept10It doesnt have to be a long story, just want made you try Ubuntu and how its been so far04:53
shad0wawesome04:53
axisWill_, :  Kde installs fine with freebsd04:53
gianti'm thinking of installing an playing with Solaris 10 for x86 but not sure what good it would do me04:54
axisWill_, : and gnome04:54
shad0wim going to try half-life 2 on winex later04:54
tritiumWill_, regarding your earlier comment about annoying ops04:54
memoryleekconcept10: sure04:54
axislol04:54
concept10nathanael, I know that.  I want some recent switchers04:54
giantdon't you have to pay for winx?04:54
_DuDe_axis, Thanks!04:54
giantwinx = winex04:54
kahles1yeah, but its really cheap04:54
shad0wpay.. lol04:54
shad0w:P04:54
gyaresu_#ubuntu-offtopic ???04:54
axisthere's another version too04:54
shad0w>:P04:54
kahles1or you can install from cvs04:54
axisother then winE04:54
giantI'd love to run Doom III and Half-life2 on my linux boxy04:54
axisand vmware04:54
giantOMG... that would rock04:54
axisthere are like 2 others04:54
concept10email your stories to tenthconcept@gmail.com.  No spam guaranteed, seriously04:54
Madpilotconcept10: what're you needig recent linux switchers stories for?04:55
axisgiant, : there's another program you use for games04:55
kevogodUT2004 works.04:55
kevogod(Natively)04:55
axisgiant, : PC games are supposed to ROCK on linux, MAD FPS ..04:55
bojanglesaxis, forget vmware...that is commercial...they will be shipping zen in most newer distros04:55
axisgiant, : i haven't figured it out yet04:55
giantits also like that sevice that will setup wireless cards for you04:55
qt2how stable is breezy aside from the X problems?04:55
bojanglesaxis, you can find it at cambridge04:55
giantyo uhave to pay for it but they say they support all of them04:55
axisbojangles, : that's the name of the alternative? sweet great tip04:55
kevogodaxis: You have an ATI card?04:55
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concept10Madpilot, I want some switcher stories, I putting together some presentations for some small business.  I want to know how to address normal peoples concerns about switching04:55
axiskevin, : yah , how'd you know04:56
ksmurfhttp:/http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/31537004:56
jasoncohenBurgundavia, i compiled the package from breezy and installed it with checkinstall (i couldn't compile it with apt-get source -b because its build dependencies couldn't be satisfied but it apparently compiled fine nonetheless)04:56
kevogodaxis: ATI has poor driver support in Linux.04:56
giantaxis, how can you get MAD FPS by running the program through a non native OS?04:56
nickrudbojangles, does xen do windows again?04:56
ksmurfThere is a couple of questions I have like how do I do it04:56
giantI though it did04:56
kevogodaxis: You need to get the fglrx drivers from ATI's site.04:56
axisgiant, : beyond me, i haven't done it yet.. ..04:56
tritiumksmurf, you're always welcome to ask04:56
jasoncohenBurgundavia, the program not only is fixed but in the 2.11.5 version, there are sane choices for ending or killing a program and there's a device section- very nice indeed04:56
bojanglesnickrud, well right now...you can run patched versions of the hurd, linux, and bsd under xen04:56
concept10Any more takers please?04:56
ksmurfhttp://ubuntu.pastebin.com/31537004:56
memoryleekconcept10: i'll write04:56
axis i don't even play  games on my pc, i use my xbox for that04:57
bojanglesnickrud, and since it was paid for by the taxpayers it is free04:57
axispure video editing04:57
nickrudconcept10, I'll write as well04:57
concept10jasoncohen, how is it going?04:57
MIK3MANtritium: I am reburning it right now04:57
axisand not 3D rendering04:57
knowledge_wow...this rpm rebuild is taking forever04:57
thoreauputicconcept10: how recent is "recent" ? ;-)04:57
tritiumkevogod, unless of course you're on ubuntu, and you can use the ubuntu fglrx support04:57
ksmurftririum .... It's in the paste bin....04:57
axistritium, : how do you enable that04:57
tritiumMIK3MAN, okay, good luck04:57
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ksmurfit's about bash scripts and starting them at startup04:57
Madpilotconcept10: well, I switched from XP bout 2-3 months ago. I'll trash out a semi-coherent email for you later tonight04:57
jasoncohenconcept10, quite well. i've been busy lately but other than that i'm doing well.04:57
tritiumaxis, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto04:57
axislink me04:57
kevogodtritium: Ubuntu does not come with fglrx.04:57
axisnice04:57
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MIK3MANI'll keep ya posted, 35%04:58
jasoncohenconcept10, how are you?04:58
tritiumkevogod, sure it does04:58
kevogodYou have to add repositories.04:58
nickrudksmurf, that seems pretty generic04:58
ksmurfand how to write one04:58
MIK3MANburning it slower this time04:58
kevogod(Or enable)04:58
qt2bojangles, what's this 'zen' you speak of?04:58
gianthow good is ubuntu's Radeon support?04:58
tritiumkevogod, no, it's in restricted, which is enabled by default04:58
qt2oh... xen...04:58
giantXen... its a VM program04:58
ksmurfnickrud that's what I thought04:58
giantsuposed to be really good04:58
kevogodThey're still not installed.04:58
concept10thoreauputic,  It really doesnt matter, I just need people that have had no prior linux experience (you know someone from Red Hat 5.2).  Im looking for recent switchers.  There is no money in this for me.  Just something im working on04:58
kevogodThe drivers.04:58
qt2i see...04:58
tritiumkevin, but they are avialable for installation04:59
qt2hm... i wonder if its in synaptic... o.o;04:59
nickrudksmurf, but accurate04:59
tritiumkevogod, ^^^04:59
MIK3MANbrb04:59
ksmurfI'm looking to write a script ( like a dos BAT file)04:59
thoreauputicconcept10: I don't think I qualify :)04:59
concept10jasoncohen, good.  I have something that you may be interested in.04:59
ksmurfand have it go at startup04:59
kevogodSo downloading them ATI's site or from Restricted... what's the difference?04:59
kevogod*from04:59
tritiumksmurf, actually, you should look into update-rc.d04:59
jasoncohenconcept10, sure- PM me04:59
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qt2concept10, err, i switched from windows recently, though i dont know how my help i can be.04:59
kevinI am slowly learning about linux and it's bells and whistles. The important part is I am learning with a lot of patience from the good people around me both home and online05:00
tritiumkevogod, ATI's site doesn't have nice .deb packages that will be managed by the package management system05:00
ksmurftritium... commands can go from there?05:00
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giantI've been running linux for a bit05:00
tritiumksmurf, see the manpage for update-rc.d on how to use it to add startup scripts05:00
ksmurfk05:00
ksmurfthanks05:00
giantbut its mostly if it doens't install and go to a GUI I'm at a loss as to how to debug it and make it work05:00
giantso I'mnot a very good linux person yet05:00
nickrudksmurf, for example, you could create a bash script that does  'hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom', drop it into /etc/init.d, and use update-rc.d to add it to the /etc/rc2.d directory05:00
memoryleekhow many of you are running ubuntu on a laptop05:00
kevinI am05:01
giantI would be...but my lappy is buggered05:01
anto9usme too05:01
aruI am05:01
tritiummemoryleek, lots of us05:01
kevinhow do I change my nick?05:01
chalengedi have it on 8 laptops for work atm..05:01
identpim having a small problem with kopete, anyone use this message client?05:01
UbuntuguideI am05:01
memoryleekkevin: did you have any probs during install???...i'm going to buy a laptop soon and just wondering05:01
kevinnope, I am running a p1 233 and it went seamlessly05:01
ksmurfnickrud That's what I want.....  how do I write the script05:01
identpi am running kubuntu on a dell laptop05:02
bojanglestritium, what is up with the gpl version of cinerella and why does it require a dual opteron 6405:02
chalengedidentp  i did for a while then went to gaim when ms changed to v7 protocols as kopete broke ...i beleive its fixed now tho05:02
memoryleekkevin: server install?05:02
Ubuntuguiderunning on a dell c840, no prob05:02
tritiumbojangles, no idea - never used it.  Sorry.05:02
kevinnope, boot from cd05:02
tritiumUbuntuguide, same here.05:02
memoryleekohh...is the WiFi support good?05:02
Ubuntuguidetritium, works good, right?05:03
tritiumUbuntuguide, every bit, from nvidia to suspend-to-ram05:03
kevinseams to be I am using my d-link dwl-g650 to talk to you05:03
Ubuntuguideusing cisco aironet 350 pcmcia wifi05:03
anto9usI'm running a Dell Inspiron 9100, suspend is my only issue but that's because of the binary ATI drivers05:03
identpchalenged, i am having trouble seeing or receiving messages from AIM and AOL users, is this similar to your experience?05:03
nickrudksmurf, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/31537205:03
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ksmurfu rock05:03
memoryleekkick ass...i want a laptop but i dont want to dual boot it...i just want linux on it...thanks05:03
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kevinthat's all I use in my personal life05:04
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gyaresu_debian on an m5200n laptop. works perfect. should work with ubuntu05:04
ksmurfnickrud how do I make it exacutable05:04
nickrudksmurf, sudo chmod u+x /etc/init.d/<whatever you named it>05:04
bojanglesgyaresu, well debian sarge is in fair shape but still has a few bugs.05:04
memoryleekgyaresu_: yea i used to run debian...if that works on a laptop then i know this will05:05
kevinI use suse 9.2 on my desktop and ubuntu on my laptop05:05
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memoryleeki couldnt get debian 3.1 to install...kept hanging05:05
bojanglesmemoryleek, well look at the boot options05:05
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kevinI could but I hhave a prob with Debian, my lack of knowledge05:05
gyaresu_bojangles, memoryleek yeah. this is a new asus and even the ipw2200 wireless is working. don't know about the modem of course ;)05:05
memoryleekbojangles: yea i'd have to go over it again..but i'm satisfied with ubuntu for now05:06
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nickrudksmurf, then, sudo update-rc.d <whatever you named it> defaults05:06
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bojanglesgyaresu, well i heard intel released some free source code for their own wireless05:06
gyaresu_memoryleek, noacpi05:06
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giantI'm liking ubuntu... not as many programs as my SuSE 9.3 install..but it works pretty good05:06
memoryleekgyaresu_: well it hung when it was configuring the network settings05:06
gyaresu_bojangles, i use the native drivers and they do monitor mode. all i need.05:06
nickrudksmurf, correction,  sudo update-rc.d <whatever you named it> defaults 9905:06
bojanglesgyaresu, but nobody gives a shit about wireless....they are all trying to get the tunable laser networks working05:06
tritiumgiant, there should be more programs available than in Suse05:06
misfit_toygiant, not as many programs??? there are MORE05:07
Ubuntuguidegiant you should be able to install anything you want05:07
delltonyreal quick simple question how do you mount a dvd ? isn't it mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /pathtomountpoint ?05:07
bojanglesgyaresu, and the solid state hard drives with fiber optics coupling05:07
kevinI used suse 9.3 on my desktop pc untilmy desktop disapeared 4x05:07
gyaresu_memoryleek, do use ubuntu. much more of the 'just works' factor.05:07
tritiumgiant, approximately 15,00005:07
giantI can.... I mean on a default intall05:07
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arugiant: There are more available, just fewer installed by default05:07
memoryleekgyaresu_: exactly....i like it a lot05:07
chalengedi think ive managed to get 1 / 17 modems in laptops to work with a free driver05:07
MIK3MANtritium: ok installing ubuntu take 2!!05:07
misfit_toygiant, you get less crap up front. ;)05:07
gyaresu_delltony, 'mount cdrom'05:07
thoreauputicgiant: enable universe and multiverse and choose from ~ 16 000 packages :)05:07
tritiumMIK3MAN, good luck, buddy :)05:07
giantand that is nice05:07
gyaresu_delltony, if it's listed in the /etc/fstab05:07
identpdoes anyone know what version of KDE comes with kubuntu 5.04 or how i could find out?05:08
delltonyits not05:08
giantmisfit_toy, Probably the reason Ubuntu loads in a fraction of the time05:08
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liquidtenidentp: open up kcontrol05:08
MIK3MANtritium: right away its asking me for my ESSID for my wifi05:08
memoryleekidentp: none come with, but you can get 3.405:08
kevinchalenged: I have gotten most laptop modems working with the good help of some programmer friends05:08
tritiumMIK3MAN, okay05:08
misfit_toygiant, yes, and everything you need to get goin', tastes great, less filling.05:08
misfit_toy;)05:08
gyaresu_identp, #kubuntu05:08
delltonyactually it is05:08
delltonyentry is /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       005:09
MIK3MANtritium: it actually see's the card, but I dont know what to put here???05:09
delltonyso id mount cdrom0 ?05:09
identpthanks, its pretty quiet in #kubuntu05:09
tritiumMIK3MAN, do you use an essid?05:09
gyaresu_delltony, and a symlink to /dev/cdrom i'm guessing.05:09
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MIK3MANnot yet.. no WEP05:09
kevinit is scarey what they can do with even the OLD versions of Linux05:09
tritiumMIK3MAN, okay, leave it blank05:09
gyaresu_delltony, got X ?05:09
MIK3MANok05:09
teferii think i have a prototype...05:09
nickrudteferi, I'll be happy to be a test bed05:10
gyaresu_delltony, just eject it and then reinsert the disk. should automount05:10
teferinickrud: not until i confirm it works...05:10
nickrudif I can do it, anyone can :)05:10
teferiit's less than 20 lines of code05:10
kevintritium: has MILK done an iwlist scan?05:10
teferiand this test message i just sent myself isn't arriving...05:10
tritiumkevin, he says he hasn't setup WEP on his router, unless I misunderstood him05:11
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teferiYES!05:11
kevintritium: woops there I go again, I don't know the whole story, sorry05:11
shad0wthanks guys! i got mp3s to work05:11
teferiIt WORKS05:11
delltonyits works i can play it but its only if i using xine and point it to /dev/hdc05:11
tritiumkevin, no need to apologize, thanks for double-checking :)05:11
kevinyw05:12
gyaresu_delltony, who are you talking to?05:12
MIK3MANtritium: ok, DHCP has failed cause I have to configure the wifi later, I have a menu here, should I choose do not configure network at this time?05:12
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teferinickrud: lemme clean this up (actually put it in a file :)) and i'll shoot you a copy05:12
teferiit's really really simple05:12
tritiumMIK3MAN, how many wireless routers are in your proximity?05:12
MIK3MAN205:12
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MIK3MANsorry 1 router, 2 cards05:13
nickrudteferi, I'll hang out for a while05:13
knowledge_what is meant by cd rpmdir in http://www.bitpim.org/developer.html05:13
giantwish me luck05:13
knowledge_?05:13
teferinickrud: yeah, i have to handle a few more cases than the code does right now, but the basic thing is *tiny*05:13
gianti'mt rying to get 3d on my ubuntu05:13
teferii really wonder why no one did this sooner!05:13
memoryleekgood luck05:13
nickrudteferi, I gotta go for 10 min, be back05:13
tritiumMIK3MAN, just the one?  It's yours?05:13
teferiokay05:13
giantbut I've been drinking...so if I don't totally screw it up... it should work05:13
memoryleeklol05:13
giantor I'll hose my xwindows05:13
memoryleekbeen there done that05:13
delltonygyaresu,  anyone that will listen and help i have the fstab entry05:14
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delltonybut i get bad superblock when trying to mount media/cdrom0 when a dvd is in the drive05:14
MIK3MANIm in a basement with concrete walls.. I think just mine, I mean I could pull up a sniffer05:14
gyaresu_delltony, do you have a GUI?05:14
gyaresu_delltony, i'm just wondering hy you are trying to mount it manually05:15
tritiumMIK3MAN, can you drop to a virtual console, and verify you're seeing with iwlist please?05:15
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knowledge_anyone?05:15
MIK3MANtritium: its not installed, Im on winblows remember?? heh05:15
aruits windows05:16
MIK3MANI figure I could skip the network and use madwifi after05:16
tritiumMIK3MAN, you're right.  Well, how important is getting networking configured right now rather than later?05:16
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ksmurfnickrud .... that didn't like me either05:17
gyaresu_knowledge_, you are using the wrong instructions.05:17
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ultraquixDoes ubuntu not allow regular root logins on virtual terminals05:17
tritiumMIK3MAN, okay, if you wish to proceed with the installation, go for it05:17
knowledge_gyaresu, how so?05:17
ksmurfsorry fixed05:17
Capilanohello all !05:17
qt2Remember folks.. dont drink and config/compile. ;;<05:17
tritiumultraquix, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo05:17
MIK3MANbut I may get errors down the line when there is apt-get update, or that kinda stuff05:17
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tritiumMIK3MAN, that's fine.  You can install purely off CD05:17
gyaresu_knowledge_, sorry. no you're not. their instructions are a little wacky.05:18
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giantALL RIGHT.... its smoke test time05:18
qt2ultraquix, use sudo.05:18
MIK3MANI'll skip for now and give you the errors if I get any05:18
giantif I come back... it means I didn't totally hose this thing05:18
tritiumMIK3MAN, okay.  I won't be sticking around much longer, though.05:18
knowledge_gyaresu, I see....I'm at the "cd rpmdir" line...but I don't know what the dir is....05:18
CapilanoI was tweaking my system, and I delete the following directory: /usr/share/fonts Now I cannot, of course log back into a system that has no fonts. Any suggestion05:18
giantwait...maybe I should ask before I go05:18
knowledge_gyaresu, any input?05:18
giantwondering if I did this right05:18
MIK3MANthats ok05:18
giantI downloaded and installed the fglrx05:19
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MIK3MANIf this dont work, ubuntu dont like my hardware05:19
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kevinI will be here for 45 mins or so05:19
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Jivemonkeyanyone have updated info on mono repository for ubuntu?05:19
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tritiumMIK3MAN, okay, good luck to you :)05:19
Jivemonkeythe ones listed in the wiki are out of date05:19
giantthen ran the 'echo fglrx  | sudo tee -a /etc/modules'05:19
chris_what file needs to be edited to allow root login at gui login screen?05:19
Capilanoso did I, for a lack of a better word05:19
gyaresu_knowledge_, i presume it doesn't just make a folder in the directory you rmpbuil in then?05:19
kevinJvemonkey: sorry not I05:19
giantthen added that one line to the xorg.cong because I have an nforce2 board05:19
giantdid I miss anything?05:20
knowledge_gyaresu, no sir05:20
ukatowith a wireless card, do you have to do any other configuration than what's in Networking in the Admin menu of GNOME05:20
qt2MIK3MAN, you can force ubuntu to like any hardware pretty much ;)05:20
giantknowledge_, I'm guessin gthat was for me?05:20
thoreauputicchris_: that's generally deprecated, but you can configure it in the settings for GDM05:20
tritiumGood night, all.05:20
giantoh or not05:20
aruchris_: there is really no reason to log in as root05:21
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MIK3MANqt2: yeah, but I am a noob to linux, maybe a week or so, there are other distros just until I get comfy05:21
gyaresu_knowledge_, why don't you just apt-get install wxpython2.5.3 ?05:21
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knowledge_I need 2.605:21
ultraquixMy ATI IXP audio is not coming up, although the likely culprit kernel module atiixp.ko is05:21
Captain.05:21
gyaresu_knowledge_, ah. sorry. reading that now.05:21
qt2MIK3MAN, so didnt i.05:21
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Jivemonkeyanyone in here using mono?05:22
MIK3MANqt2: like I was telling everyone Mepis went in without a hitch, I just want to test all the flavors05:22
qt2MIK3MAN, i've been on linux for a total of 1.5 weeks :P05:22
qt2MIK3MAN, heh, i se.05:22
MIK3MANlol05:22
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qt2*see05:22
chris_i have  a firewire disc that will mount but not let me record to it. Says I dont have permission but my username is owner/group and permissions are -R 775. Anyone know what's up?05:22
gyaresu_knowledge_, looks to me like rpmbuild should build you a folder in the same dir05:22
gyaresu_knowledge_, i'm guessing it doesn't or you wouldn't be asking05:23
kevinI have been using linux off and on for a year now, forthe past 3 months solid but have finally gotten to whereI do things myself instead of havingothers do for me05:23
knowledge_i thought it would be in /usr/src/rpm/RPMS/i386 but the next command doesn't do anything05:23
MIK3MANMicro$oft is going to start checking product keys to validate windows update now05:23
thoreauputicchris_: what file system is on that disc?05:23
MIK3MANtime to switch to linux05:23
knowledge_gyaresu, nope...05:23
Capilanoin a hurry Mik305:24
kevinMILK3MAN: yes they are that's one reason for my deployment to Linux05:24
gyaresu_knowledge_, rpmbuild log?05:24
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Will_MIK3MAN: Or to pay for your operating system05:24
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kevin<--- cannot afford legal windblows05:24
kevogodMIK3MAN: I have completely removed myself from Windows.05:24
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gyaresu_knowledge_, specify it to log on the command line/05:24
MIK3MANlol05:24
epon validating produckt key, you mean Longhorn?05:24
chris_thoreauputic - i am noob so i dont know for sure but i brought it to this machine from a Mac so I must believe HFS+05:24
memoryleekwho can afford windows legally?05:24
CapilanoI HEARD ABOUT THAT LAST YEAR AND DID IT THEN, NO REGRET UNTIL TODAY05:24
NsaneiceNot I, memoryleek05:24
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Capilanooups05:24
knowledge_gyaresu, there's an extremely long log05:24
MIK3MANyeah, I read the article, like 95% is pirated in China05:24
kevinep: no, xp, 2k and all of that I believe05:24
Capilanosorry about that people05:25
MIK3MANindia is like 80%05:25
memoryleekhehe...my college sells microsoft software for 7 bucks a CD...LEGALLY05:25
chris_thoreauputic - i can read it though05:25
memoryleekbut they limit you to one copy :(05:25
gyaresu_knowledge_, good. :) any clues in it?05:25
thoreauputicchris_: if it's ntfs you can't write to it - hfs+ I'm unsure but I think is writable05:25
kevogodMicrosoft subsidizes to monopolize.05:25
knowledge_gyaresu, not that I can see...05:25
Capilanoyes, but once the sn has been use05:25
kevinyup lol kevogod05:25
knowledge_should I pastebin it so you can take a gander?05:25
snackalot7 dollars i paid 100 those assholes05:26
chris_thoreauputic - i have written to it in past, but suddenly i cant, even when sudo change permissions.05:26
Madpilotkevogod: well put. and memoryleek's school probably paid $$$$$ for their licences.05:26
MIK3MANmemoryleek: I'll paypal ya, send me a valid key for XP Pro for $7 ;)05:26
memoryleekhaha...wish i could05:26
snackalotsomeone should hack there ass and shut them down05:26
gyaresu_knowledge_, updatedb ; locate py2.305:26
kevogodMadpilot: They pigeon hole you into using their operating system.05:26
memoryleekMadpilot: i'm sure they did...and my tuition keeps going sky high05:26
thoreauputicchris_: you might need to have a file system specified in /etc/fstab for it05:26
Capilanoperhaps, but maybe they are using Linux servers05:27
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kevogod"Sky High" - a great Kurt Russell film I'm sure of it!05:27
chris_thoreauputic - do you have a link for tutorial?05:27
memoryleekhaha05:27
thoreauputicchris_: for fstab?05:27
NsaneiceHey, is there anyway I can shorten the timeout on the "Configuring Network interfaces"? It takes to long with the eth0 and wlan0.05:27
chris_thoreauputic - sorry, like i said, noob05:27
gyaresu_snackalot, language please.05:27
snackalotenglish05:27
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knowledge_gyaresu,  updatedb ; locate py2.305:27
knowledge_lol05:27
Will_snackalot: Hack who?05:28
knowledge_gyaresu, http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/65505:28
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snackalotmicrosoft assholes05:28
gyaresu_knowledge_, why lol?05:28
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gyaresu_snackalot, please stop.05:28
arusnackalot: calm down05:28
thoreauputicchris_: ah OK - well a start is to run " less /etc/fstab " and have a look at it, then try reading man fstab05:28
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snackalot4 overcharging for there shit05:28
Capilanoany idea how to reinstall basic fonts ?05:28
Will_IBM has _just_ stopped support for OS2. JUST. Do you really think windows will 'go away' in our lifetime? Stop bitching.05:28
knowledge_because I meant to paste the url05:28
thoreauputicchris_: man fstab won't make much sense at first ;)05:28
gyaresu_snackalot, STOP SWEARING05:28
arubob2: snackalot is out of hand :)05:28
giantOFG.... it worked05:29
snackalotsorry OK just makes me mad05:29
ksmurfok I followed the instruction and still no go ... the shell script is at http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/315375.  I ran the script to see if it would work and it does, but not at startup.05:29
giantI can now get my screensavers 3d05:29
giantAWSOME05:29
chris_thoreauputic - firewire not in fstab05:29
giantubunto rocks05:29
thoreauputicchris_: if you hang on a minute I'll see if I can find a link for you05:29
MIK3MANsnackalot: I'll take some blame, I started the Micro$oft talk05:29
ksmurfcan i list my init.d?05:29
chris_thoreauputic - i have it open in pico05:29
NsaneiceYea Ubuntu is nice, its even better when you install it as server and not default05:29
snackalotwhat do you expect im a constrution worker05:30
thoreauputicchris_: how are you mounting it?  Is it just appearing automagically?05:30
MIK3MANbut hey! we are converting05:30
aruMIK3MAN: #ubuntu-offtopic05:30
snackalotthats ok05:30
chris_thoreauputic - yes05:30
ultraquixupgrading kernel...05:30
vkmI'm trying to install acroread via apt on Ubuntu Hoary. My only nonstandard apt sources are universe/multiverse, backports and nerim. When I try to install acroread, apt tells me it wants a newer version of libc6 than the one currently installed. Have I somehow broken my package system or is there some other apt source I should add?05:30
epyour college has probably entered into some "agreement" with Microsoft.  So they get they money via your tax dollars.  Its one way or another.05:30
knowledge_gyaresu, nothing on the locate05:30
thoreauputicchris_: OK, well I'm not sure how that works - probably gnome-volume-manager is doing it05:30
knowledge_you see anything in the url?05:30
snackalotcan someone tell me were to go to get hacking tuts05:31
ultraquixboot boot05:31
Burgundaviavkm, get rid of nerim05:31
Burgundaviavkm, acroread is in mutliverse05:31
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kevinbbiab05:31
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vkmBurgundavia: Is there a more ubuntu-centric source for the nerim packages?05:31
chris_thoreauputic - it is possible to add this to my fstab manually though?05:31
Burgundaviavkm, hoary-extras from the backports project05:31
ksmurfnickrud...? http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/315375 is the script... but it didn't start at startup.05:31
gyaresu_knowledge_, yeah and nothing in the /usr/src/RPMS/i386 ?05:31
teferinickrud: okay, i have a working test script05:31
knowledge_gyaresu, no sir05:32
gyaresu_knowledge_, hmmm.05:32
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teferiit's probably not written in The Python Way, but it works05:32
thoreauputicchris_: probably, but I don't know how, sorry - someone else might05:32
vkmBurgundavia: Thanks. Will switch. But: Removing nerim shouldn't affect my acroread troubles, no?05:32
chris_thoreauputic - thank you for the help though. i have a place to start now.05:32
Burgundaviavkm, nerim is for sarge, not hoary05:32
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MIK3MANlooks like my installation is going in with no errors05:32
gyaresu_knowledge_, locate rpm05:33
MIK3MANwoohoo05:33
Burgundaviavkm, and acroread is part of the offiical uubuntu repos05:33
spermie_411 is there any vet or doctor IRCS to get medical advice???05:33
knowledge_gyaresu, actually there is...but the alien *py2.3* isn't doing anything05:33
thoreauputicchris_: you're welcome - good luck :)05:33
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giantum thats not right05:33
giantI tried running Hugo's Smoke and it froze05:33
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giantI guessing thats a problem with the 3d driver I just intalled05:33
gyaresu_knowledge_, what's the name of the py file  in the /usr/src/blah05:34
giantRadeon 9800 pro05:34
giantI installed the fglrx05:34
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giantand put the part in the config file for the nfore2 chipset05:34
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giantanyone know where I could look for log output05:35
knowledge_wxPython2.6-devel-gtk2-unicode-2.6.1.0-1.i386.rpm  wxPython2.6-gtk2-unicode-2.6.1.0-1.i386.rpm  wxPython-common-gtk2-unicode-2.6.1.0-1.i386.rpm05:35
MIK3MANgiant: you may know this already, but I was just on ATI site and I seen that the 9800 has genuine drivers, just so you know05:35
thoreauputicgiant: /var/log05:35
mjkelly93/var/log/05:35
gyaresu_giant, /var/llogXorg.0.log05:35
giantMIK3MAN, would the genuine driver work better than the ones I got with apt-get05:35
gyaresu_giant, /var/log/Xorg.0.log05:35
MIK3MANgiant: genuine for linux I mean05:35
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knowledge_gyaresu,  you meant that?05:36
spermie_411 is there any vet or doctor IRCS to get medical advice???05:36
mjkelly93im lookin for someone very experienced with fglrx, im very close to having the module run correctly05:36
vkmBurgundavia: Thanks much.05:36
MIK3MANgiant: I would say yes, cause if ATI is backing them...05:36
giantMIK3MAN, Makes sence05:36
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blmartin777Do you install new kernels with synaptics package manager?05:36
mjkelly93any takers for help with fglrx and a radeon 9250?05:36
MIK3MANcheck it out, Im sure it was the 9800 series05:36
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gyaresu_knowledge_, yeah.05:37
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knowledge_gyaresu, any idea on why the alien command isn't working?05:38
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mjkelly93noone wants to help with fglrx? cmon i know someone out there wants a challenge :)05:38
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bojanglesMIK3MAN, you mean India is pirating Windows at 80%05:38
gyaresu_knowledge_, i think the 3 packages are rebuilt to show as  'version 2.3' . you could try alien'ing all three of them but i'm not sure.05:38
bojanglesMIK3MAN, instead of paying through the nose.05:38
regeyaisn't Windows offtopic?05:38
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syndregeya, depends.05:39
knowledge_mann....ahh screw it...I give up05:39
regeyasynd, not really.05:39
blmartin777Can I install new kernels in synaptics05:39
MIK3MANbojangles: I was told off topic, but yeah, they ranked 3rd05:39
syndregeya, when the ops say its off topic, then its off topic05:39
abhayks"QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded" after update of libmsql-mt05:39
gyaresu_knowledge_, you should be able to make copies and then try alien'ing them without harming anything else.05:39
syndtil then, dont worry05:39
regeyasynd, well pardon moi.05:39
bojanglesMIK3MAN, well they are going to be in big trouble when MS goes to Trusted Network Computing05:39
syndregeya, yup05:39
giantI run a .run file from the terminal correct?05:40
knowledge_I see.05:40
gianthow do I do that?....sorry if I'm a noob05:40
regeyaso who likes pie?05:40
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MIK3MANthats why I'm here05:40
giantcherry pie05:40
giantin the eye05:40
regeyaI like blackberry pie, and apple pie a bit less than blackberry.05:40
bojanglesMIK3MAN, their pirated stuff will no longer work and it will be much more difficult for them to pirate anything05:40
knowledge_gyaresu, alien wxPython* will work?05:40
regeyacherry pie and peach pie are right out.05:40
mjkelly93i just had some shoe fly pie05:40
thoreauputicgiant: what .run file do you have there?05:40
regeyagiant, that's an unusual method for eating pie.05:40
giantI picked up the ati-driver-installer-8.14.13.run05:41
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gyaresu_knowledge_, should work.05:41
elmagozizouHi, I have a problem with mplayer...I dont know why it show me a message every time is gonna play somethig...The message is something about the FONT05:41
giantyou got to pop a lot of cherries to get a pie like that05:41
MIK3MANbojangles: join #ubuntu-offtopic and I will tell you whats going to happen05:41
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bojanglesMIK3MAN, ok.05:41
thoreauputicgiant: have you read the wiki on binary drivers?05:41
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thoreauputic!drivers05:41
ubotuI heard drivers is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowto05:41
giantno not het05:41
elmagozizouI mean mplayer in grafic mode05:41
abhaykslibqt3-mt-mysql and libqt3-mysql upgraded and not getting05:41
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abhayks"QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded"05:41
mjkelly93giant, if ur installing a radeon 9800, i watched someone in here do it from scratch yesterday with the exact same model following these directions to a T:    https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowto05:42
elmagozizouin terminal mode is fine05:42
thoreauputicgiant: i suggest you read the ubotu URL above05:42
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elmagozizouHi, I have a problem with mplayer...I dont know why it show me a message every time is gonna play somethig...The message is something about the FONT05:42
blmartin777where is a good place to find all available repositories for ubuntu?05:42
ajax_teferi, I'm back05:42
elmagozizouJust ins grafic mode, in terminal mode is fine...05:42
hoslerThis may sound really stupid, but has anyone been able to get visual studio 6.0 to work on linux yet? I tried wine and crossover, but those send me the same error messages.05:42
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kevinbk for a bit then I am off to bed so I can try and sleep with the drunk twits downstairs slamming doors!!05:42
mjkelly93elmagozizou, try   sudo apt-get install mplayer-fonts05:42
Madpilot!repos05:42
ubotusomebody said repos was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto05:42
abhayksanyone does mysql related programming on breezy05:42
abhayks?05:42
regeyahooray, pie isn't offtopic yet!05:42
teferiajax_: you want the crude but working script?05:42
Madpilotblmartin777: read the URL that ubotu just posted05:42
ajax_heh, I'm ajax, now05:43
elmagozizoumjkelly93, I all ready download that...but doesnt fix05:43
mjkelly93hmm05:43
giantI tried that05:43
teferii noticed, was confused05:43
mjkelly93i couldnt get mplayer to install right either so i just use    xine05:43
mjkelly93i think its better05:43
mjkelly93too05:43
ajax_my dialup died, this is nickrud :)05:43
giantmjkelly93, I tried those... it brings back up my video..but when I try and run a 3d screensaver it locks05:43
mjkelly93giant, what does fglrxinfo look like?05:43
teferii noticed05:43
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elmagozizoubut can you play all the formats in XINE?05:44
erudeyehello05:44
Mechcozmohello05:44
mjkelly93elmagozizou, all of them i tried so far05:44
erudeyei has just install ubuntu05:44
teferiat any rate, ajax_, wmute.net/~teferi/evo-mail-notify.py05:44
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erudeyen i don't have root password05:44
teferier, http://wmute.net/~teferi/evo-mail-notify.py05:44
ajax_teferi, I'll give it ago05:44
giantdisplay: :0.0  screen: 005:44
giantOpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.05:44
giantOpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9800 Pro Generic05:44
giantOpenGL version string: 1.3.4769 (X4.3.0-8.8.25)05:44
giantsorry about that05:44
erudeyewhere i can get that pass?05:44
teferijust run it and wait for mail to show up in your inbox05:44
teferithe indicator will go away if you click on it or start reading a message05:44
thoreauputicajax_: /msg nickserv ghost nickrud <your password>05:44
MechcozmoI've been looking at Ubuntu for a bit as a good Linux distro05:44
ajax_thoreauputic, thanks05:44
IIIEarserudeye - ubuntu is a bit different it uses a format similar to Macs05:45
thoreauputicajax_: then you can reclaim your nick05:45
Mechcozmolooking at geting into it05:45
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IIIEars!rootsudo05:45
uboturumour has it, rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo05:45
elmagozizoumjkelly93, let me try it05:45
regeyacan anyone comment on sweetmeats?05:45
erudeyehello05:45
abhayksis this really the ubuntu IRC famous for its community ever eger to help others ?05:45
elmagozizoumjkelly93, and mp3s?05:45
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thr1ceabbe80, no05:45
MechcozmoQuestion: What are the weaknesses of Ubuntu?05:45
thr1ceabhayks, no05:45
mjkelly93elmagozizou, havent tried mp3s, i use xmms for that05:45
erudeyewhere i can get my root pass?05:45
IIIEarserudeye - check out the link ubotu posted05:45
thoreauputicabhayks: yeah, we're a myth ;)05:45
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regeyasynd, what's your opinion on sweetmeats and sweetbreads?05:45
syndregeya, say waht?05:45
Mechcozmoalright, lemme repeat that05:46
syndregeya, im from the states05:46
MechcozmoQuestion: What are the weaknesses of Ubuntu?05:46
nickrudah, that works nicely, thanks again, thoreauputic05:46
erudeyewhere is the link?05:46
syndMechcozmo, none05:46
redguy!rootsudo05:46
uboturootsudo is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo05:46
IIIEars!rootsudo05:46
Mechcozmoi don't believe in software that has no problems05:46
thoreauputicMechcozmo: a very biased community that thinks Ubuntu is strong ;)05:46
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Mechcozmohehe05:46
abhayksthrlce: great to know u have time to reply to a stupid question of mine but not to a genuine question05:46
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Mechcozmobecause I'm looking at going feet-wet with it in terms of Linux05:46
giantoh wait a minute05:47
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Mechcozmowondering if I'll outgrow it or somthing05:47
giantHufo's Tunnel is working now05:47
giantsweet05:47
liquidtenabhayks: genuine questions are harder to answer05:47
Capilanoany idea how to reinstall basic fonts ?05:47
Capilanoplease05:47
giantoh well... i'm off to bed... later all05:47
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Mechcozmoalso want to know how easy it is to screw up05:47
regeyasynd, but you're familiar with what they are, right?  don't you think they're, well, you know, misnamed?05:47
mjkelly93giant, try this command:   glxinfo | grep direct05:47
syndMechcozmo, problems are few and far between with ubuntu. at least in comparisons to other linux distros. but for the ones that do exist, #ubuntu is here as is the wiki05:47
IIIEarsG'nite giant05:47
abhayksliquidten: thats true05:47
mjkelly93giant, nevermind then hehe05:47
thoreauputicMechcozmo: the secret is to get to know repositories and apt or synaptic package management - but don't tell anyone!05:47
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Mechcozmosince the people i do tech work for are notorious for doing that05:47
syndregeya, no, not really.05:47
Mechcozmohow is configuration?05:47
giantit says direct rendering : yes05:47
mjkelly93anyone out there wanna take a crack at my problems with fglrx for a radeon 9250?05:48
giantso I guess it is working05:48
mjkelly93then it should be wroking05:48
Mechcozmoa bunch of other distros have differing ways05:48
teferinickrud: you need python-gnome2-dev and python-gnome2-extras-dev05:48
thoreauputicMechcozmo: could you be a bit more vague?05:48
Mechcozmousually involving vi or emacs05:48
Mechcozmoyeah05:48
poutineHello, I installed ubuntu moments ago on this laptop, and it freezes right after I enter my user/pass in the screen, and plays that sound with the ubuntu splash05:48
teferiand, uh, python2.4-dbus05:48
giantthen why did Hufo's Smoke lock up but Hufo's tunnel work?05:48
nickrudteferi, yes, that is small, and thanks for the links. It'll take a while on my measly pipe05:48
giantwho knows05:48
Mechcozmoour house, all computers have static IPs05:48
teferiand then it should just work05:48
poutineI checked /var/log/messages and I don't see anything05:48
Mechcozmohow hard is that to do?05:48
thoreauputicMechcozmo: generally stuff tends to work out of the box05:48
giantnot important... I wanted the tunnel anyway05:48
giantlater all05:48
Mechcozmowhich is the wrong answer....05:48
mjkelly93poutine, try     grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log05:48
teferiif it doesn't, privmsg me and ill get back to you tomorrow05:48
teferii need sleep05:48
Mechcozmoi know it works out of the box05:48
IIIEarsMechcozmo - Popular distros come and often go quickly. Ubuntu is Debian. - it'll be around for a long time. - easiest distro yet.05:48
Mechcozmowith DHCP and stuff05:48
SogniXhas anyone had any success using an ultra ata ide addon card with ubuntu? seems ubuntu throws a fit the moment I install an Adaptec IDE card with two storage drives :(05:49
Mechcozmoso is there a panel i just open up05:49
Mechcozmoand enter network info?05:49
Mechcozmoor do i have to dig through a text file?05:49
elmagozizoumjkelly93, Hey you know that I use xmms but recently it was frezzing because of the audio thig...so I change it to eSound and it play the files but....05:49
thoreauputicMechcozmo: for static IPs you can enter stuff during install or hack /etc/network/interfaces05:49
Mechcozmoso i do need to use a text editor05:49
thoreauputicMechcozmo: there's a gui networking thing too05:49
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mjkelly93elmagozizou, yeah ya gotta change the output plugin to esound,   ya dont like it?05:49
elmagozizoumjkelly93, the sound isnt very good...any solutions?05:50
Mechcozmothat's what i wanted to know....05:50
TokenBadbesides network tools is there anything else in ubuntu that can do like traceroute?05:50
redguyMechcozmo: on install, when dhcp fails you can enter static IPs. Later you would have to edit /etc/network/interfaces05:50
mjkelly93elmagozizou, huh, nope havent heard that one yet05:50
killapopMechcozmo: network-admin gives u a gui to do it thru05:50
nickrudteferi, python-gnome2-extras-dev does not pull in python-gnome2-extras, do I need that as well?05:50
Mechcozmosee, DHCP is present05:50
IIIEarsMechcozmo - i have only a few eeks with linux so a GUI was mandatory. "Firestarter" firewall  is a snap.05:50
poutineDRI screen init failed, disabling DRI, hmm, should I remove DRI from my xorg.conf, I take it that was successful since it just was disabling it05:50
elmagozizoumjkelly93, ok...05:50
crimsunelmagozizou: what do you mean it's not very good?05:50
teferinickrud: it's an empty package, but grab it anyway, just in case(future-proofing, natch...)05:50
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IIIEarserm "Eeks" - oops . "Weeks"05:50
Mechcozmobut all computer that are fixed have static IPs05:50
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MelechorionGood morning, guys05:50
mjkelly93elmagozizou, is it only xmms or does the ubuntu sounds sound bad too?05:50
Mechcozmodon't need a firewall05:50
Mechcozmohave a Linksys router that does fine on it05:51
ColonelKernelall my linux boxes, regardless of distro, seem to be having dns resolution lags05:51
nickrudok05:51
Mechcozmocan Ubuntu do any network serving?05:51
ColonelKernelit takes a bit to get the initial connection made05:51
poutineColonelKernel: Could be your nameservers05:51
thoreauputicMechcozmo: it isn't hard - you just give your IPs, gateway, masks rtc in the install05:51
DarkSpyinda n/qui05:51
Mechcozmolike Apache, etc05:51
ColonelKernelyeah but its not happening in windoze05:51
mjkelly93poutine, i get that error too, i wouldnt sweat that one05:51
thoreauputic*etc05:51
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[2] BoxingFiendcolonel: disable IP6 lookup to speed up the process unless your DNS server supports IP605:51
IIIEarsMechcozmo - it will enable port forwarding DHCP and other services with a graphical interface. no text editing. - Whew05:51
Mechcozmobut if later I need to CHANGE the network info, i obviously don't need to reinstall to change those things05:51
poutinemjkelly93: Well any thoughts on how to fix or debug ths?05:51
thoreauputicMechcozmo: you can install apache no problem05:51
mjkelly93poutine, how far does it go? like u get the ubuntu splash screen and all?05:51
poutineit shows the strip05:52
ColonelKerneljoolz - if youre the guy who did those neat CS cheats, thanks for a few years of wasted time :D05:52
poutineand it plays the startup sound05:52
poutineand then it freezes05:52
MechcozmoOpen Office I assume also works nicely?05:52
poutinecaps lock key stops lighting when I press it05:52
ColonelKernel[2] BoxingFiend how do I do that?05:52
thoreauputicMechcozmo: changing static IPs is pretty trivial unless you have a big network05:52
Mechcozmogood to hear05:52
mjkelly93poutine, how many of the programs load on that script?  all of them?05:52
Mechcozmoinstallation is via apt-get or something?05:52
hypermodernistAnybody know where I can find a PHP 5 .deb?05:52
mjkelly93poutine, does it freeze on any of them?   did u have any complications during the install?05:53
thoreauputicMechcozmo: apt-get or synaptic (GUI)05:53
nickrudteferi, I interrupted an mplayer install earlier, I have about 30min to get all the things in the queue, so, I'll let you know when I've tested it05:53
poutinemjkelly93: nothing loads05:53
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zenroxok i have a quick question?? ok how do i mount a scvd mount -t iso9660 -o loop dont work05:53
poutineif there is supposed to be icons on that strip05:53
IIIEarsMechcozmo - "Bastille" is another good graphical interface for iptables.05:53
teferinickrud: like I said, I'm going to bed05:53
poutineit doesn't even get to that05:53
ColonelKerneli would google it but im in text mode right now05:53
ColonelKernelfresh install05:53
MechcozmoSynaptic is extremely easy to use, I assume?05:53
aruvery05:53
hybrid_gothColonelKernel: w3m google.com?05:53
MechcozmoI'm pretty much network-admin qualified with OS X and Windows05:53
Mechcozmobut i want to get into Linux05:54
ColonelKernelw3m?05:54
mjkelly93poutine, yeah there is, like 5 of them are default... hmm id say its some kinda problem with gnome, but i couldnt even guess at it05:54
Mechcozmotried before, hated the distros05:54
hybrid_gothColonelKernel: text browser05:54
thoreauputicMechcozmo: synaptic is quite easy05:54
ColonelKernelim not too hot on text browsers05:54
thoreauputic!synaptic05:54
ubotuI heard synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto05:54
poutineI'll try disabling sound05:54
Mechcozmohow is installation?05:54
Mechcozmowebsite said easy05:54
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nickrudteferi, good night, and, you can find me here most days about this time05:54
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poutineI didn't like the installation05:54
poutineit lies about progress05:55
mjkelly93poutine, what r u using now?  bitchx?05:55
Mechcozmobut the computer i'm going to install it on has WinXP on it05:55
poutinemjkelly93: irssi05:55
IIIEarsinstalling apps is a three mouse click affair with synaptic05:55
Mechcozmobut there are 4 partitions05:55
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MechcozmoXP's is NTFS05:55
Mechcozmoother 3 are FAT3205:55
[2] BoxingFiend!ip605:55
ubotu[2] BoxingFiend: I give up, what is it?05:55
mjkelly93poutine, try running a    sudo apt-get update05:55
Mechcozmoany foreseeable issues?05:55
La_PaRCaWhat driver should I use for an ATI Radeon 9200?05:55
Mechcozmoi don't want to loose my XP partition05:55
thoreauputicMechcozmo: ntfs is read-only except with special experimental stuff (captive ntfs)05:55
Mechcozmo(almost happened once.... not good)05:55
kevogodMechcozmo: There should be no problem.05:55
poutinemjkelly93: I *just* finished the install, and if I was paying attention correctly, it spent hours doing that05:55
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Mechcozmook05:56
crimsunLa_PaRCa: either the open-source radeon or fglrx05:56
IIIEarsBoxingfiend - Be nice to the bot a slender database runs much faster.05:56
poutinehmm05:56
Mechcozmoso installation should be easy?05:56
mjkelly93poutine,     it still needs to upgrade more stuff then      like another 60 megs worth for me at least05:56
mjkelly93then   sudo apt-get upgrade05:56
La_PaRCacrimsun, is fglrx in universe or in the regular repos?05:56
kevogodMechcozmo: It is text-based, but simple.05:56
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Mechcozmothat's fine05:56
crimsunLa_PaRCa: restricted. See wiki/BinaryDriverHowto05:56
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Melechorionwith windows u can do everything05:56
nickrudIf I hadn't sworn off programming, this little thing might actually make me want to learn python05:56
poutinehmm05:57
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poutinebrb05:57
La_PaRCacrimsun, is restricted on by default?05:57
mjkelly93poutine, ur install took hours?   are u on highspeed?05:57
crimsunLa_PaRCa: yes05:57
IIIEarsnickrud - infonbot?05:57
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thoreauputicMechcozmo: be aware you can have a maximum of 4 primary partitions05:57
Melechorionif u want to learn python help us - www.inselnderwinde.de05:57
Mechcozmothat's the number I have05:57
nickrudI can actually read it05:57
Mechcozmo:-D05:57
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zenroxok i have a quick question?? ok how do i mount a scvd mount -t iso9660 -o loop dont work i am mounting a local iso file05:57
Mechcozmohate that whole partition thing05:57
mjkelly93anyone wanna help with an fglrx problem???   i have the module installed and everything, just need some help with an xorg.log file....     anyone?05:57
kevinnickrud: I sore off of programming for one reason; I didn't start using pc's till 5 years ago05:58
kevogodMechcozmo: I assume you are going to format one of those FAT32 partitions as EXT3?05:58
thoreauputicMechcozmo: one of those would need to be an extended partition to fit Linux in05:58
zenroxmjkelly93,  read the howto on the forums05:58
Mechcozmothere are 4 partitions05:58
kevinswore05:58
Mechcozmoso... shouldn't have an issue05:58
nickrudIIIEars, no, http://wmute.net/~teferi/evo-mail-notify.py05:58
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Mechcozmoright?05:58
MelechorionWindows4ever^^05:58
mjkelly93zenrox, im very far passed the howto on the forums05:58
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kevogodMechcozmo: You will have to choose a partition to format for Ubuntu.05:59
nickrudkevin, lol, I stopped programming nearly 20 years ago05:59
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Mechcozmokevogod: I'll assume that is easy to do and when started into XP nothing will happen to it?05:59
kevogodIt will not be FAT32 after you format it.05:59
thoreauputicMechcozmo: if they are all primaries, one of them would need to be formatted for linux05:59
Mechcozmothats fine05:59
zenroxmjkelly93, the howto will tell you what to edit05:59
IIIEarsnickrud - that would be handy05:59
mjkelly93zenrox, if u would like to take a look at how far passed i am:   http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4952605:59
Mechcozmodont care if it gets reformatted... not doing much anyways05:59
Zerboxxthoreauputic: When you have a chance, mind answering some partition based questions for me?05:59
kevogodMechcozmo: Windows XP will work fine.05:59
Mechcozmoactually partitioned it with this in mind05:59
Mechcozmohehe05:59
thoreauputicZerboxx: just sk and if someone knows they will answer05:59
thoreauputic*ask06:00
mjkelly93zenrox, its not about editing...   the modules is reading a device at pci bus 1:2:1 and 1:2:0... when my xorg.conf only points at 1:2:006:00
[2] BoxingFiend!interface06:00
ubotu[2] BoxingFiend: No idea06:00
kevogodUbuntu adds Windows XP to the boot list in GRUB automatically.06:00
MechcozmoXP will be fine, but it wiped my HFS+ USB thumbdrive once without asking me06:00
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erudeyeideei can't get my root user06:00
ColonelKernelso what was the solution to my ip6 problem?06:00
erudeyeideepass06:00
erudeyeideewhere i can get?06:00
Mechcozmowill it do that to the partition?06:00
ColonelKernel!ipv606:00
ubotuColonelKernel: Are you smoking crack?06:00
kevinnickrud: if I had the understanding of even one program fro programming I might give it a shot but.... you know... dislexia and programming don't mix and match too well06:00
ColonelKernelno, just weed06:00
erudeyeideeubotu06:00
zenroxmjkelly93,  then tell xorg to use 1:2:106:00
erudeyeideegive me the link again06:00
zenroxthats probly your vid card06:00
Melechorionbut u have to install windows first, than ubuntu06:00
Mechcozmoits ok06:00
mjkelly93zenrox, but my card is on 1:2:006:00
MechcozmoXP is already installed06:00
ZerboxxWell I'm currently have XP on it's own, 2 partitions (C:\ and D:\ for all my docs n music n videos), I want to remove XP, replace it with Ubuntu, and change my D:\ to my /home, how easy will this be to do?06:00
zenroxmjkelly93, you look at the xorg log file06:01
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kevogodYou don't have to. You can add the Chainloader stuff into Grub manually.06:01
zenrox??06:01
Mechcozmoisn't GRUB the bootloader?06:01
mjkelly93zenrox, yes i have plenty of times06:01
IIIEarsMechcozmo - My windows installation gets virus infected so frequently and it's reinstall fdisks everything. using a seperate Disk for ubuntu is a good idea06:01
zenroxmjkelly93,  ok06:01
Mechcozmoit does that automagically06:01
kevogodMechcozmo: Yes, it is.06:01
erudeyeideehello06:01
zenroxmjkelly93,  any thage else like errors06:01
kevogodMechcozmo: I was just saying you could install Windows second.06:01
Mechcozmook06:01
erudeyeideei has just install ubuntu n got no root pass06:01
erudeyeideewhere i can get that?06:02
Zerboxxerudeyeidee: It's your main user's password06:02
zenroxmjkelly93,  i need to know the error it spits out at you06:02
MechcozmoIIIEars: i don't have a seperate disk, sorry, but I rarely reinstall XP06:02
kevogoderudeyeidee: Ubuntu uses the Sudo setup.06:02
mjkelly93zenrox,  there are no EE errors in the xorg.log file besides one that talks about DRI and thats not relevant06:02
Mechcozmoits fresh right now at least06:02
Mechcozmo:-p06:02
nickrudkevin, I hear you06:02
kevogoderudeyeidee: The root account is disabled.06:02
kevogoderudeyeidee: It uses the Mac OS X type of security.06:02
ColonelKernelbrb06:02
kevinerudeyeidee: sudo su and then password for user06:02
mjkelly93zenrox, my beliefe is that the computer hangs before it spits those errors out, like a hard hang that i cant alt ctrl f1 out of06:02
MechcozmoGRUB is configured automagically?06:02
kevogodMechcozmo: Yes.06:02
zenroxmjkelly93, coment out the line for dri06:02
erudeyeideehow?06:02
Mechcozmoalright06:02
erudeyeideesow sudo?06:02
Melechorionnow i'll go to the baker -.-06:02
erudeyeideegksudo?06:02
Mechcozmowell the torrent is sucking it down now06:02
IIIEarsI'm new to linux but beginning to come around to the idea of  a linux only home06:02
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zenroxmjkelly93, didja do a modprob06:03
kevinin a terminal window06:03
mjkelly93zenrox,  i have that error right now in this loading of X11 and its running fine06:03
kevintype in sudo su06:03
jorgpanyone know why \C<Up> would not bind correctly in mutt, #mutt is dead06:03
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mjkelly93zenrox,    ill do u one better and show the part of my kern.log here:06:03
Mechcozmo350KiB/s06:03
nickrudkevin, better is sudo -s06:03
zenroxmjkelly93,  past in in a msg to me06:03
Mechcozmofaster than their server?06:03
kevinoh, okay I will remember that nickrud06:03
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erudeyeideeso, can i get my root pass with current user?06:04
Mechcozmowhat's the format that Ubuntu uses?06:04
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ZerboxxI currently am running an XP only box, 2 partitions (C:\ (windows), and D:\ (Docs)) I want to replace C:\ with ubuntu, and change d:\ with /home, so I keep all the documents/music/videos I have on that partition.  Is this possible to do, and if so, is it "relatively" easy?06:04
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kevogodMechcozmo: Format as in what?06:04
jasoncoheni think i asked this before, but does anyone know why the boot-admin program isn't packaged with gnome-system-tools like it is on debian?06:04
Mechcozmosorry, hard drive format06:04
thoreauputicMechcozmo: file system can be ext3, reiserfs, jfs, xfs06:04
Mechcozmook06:04
kevogodThe default is ext3.06:04
kevinyeyou are root, just type in sudo -s in a terminal and it will ask for pass and you type in your user pass06:05
Mechcozmoi'll stick with that then...06:05
Burgundaviajasoncohen, turned back in breezy06:05
thoreauputicMechcozmo: most people accept the default ext306:05
Mechcozmois there are major difference between those four however?06:05
kevogodI personally like ReiserFS.06:05
Burgundaviajasoncohen, no idea why it wasn't packaged06:05
IIIEarsJasoncohen - sounds interesting do you know the app name?06:05
BurgundaviaMechcozmo, stick with ext3, it is more stable06:05
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Mechcozmook06:05
thoreauputicMechcozmo: this is material for holy wars ;)06:05
kevogodReiserFS is the fastest!06:05
Mechcozmohehe06:05
ugoyeah ReiserFS is cool06:05
BurgundaviaReiserfs4 may be the fastest, but it is also the newest06:06
Mechcozmoi was thinking about HFS, HFS+, and HFSX06:06
thoreauputickevogod: minix forever!!06:06
sizzamim trying to compile and install nzbget.  during ./configure, i fail with the following:     checking for inflate in -lz... no06:06
Mechcozmowhen you said that06:06
elmagozizouIs it posible to play mp3s on xine?06:06
jasoncohenIIIEars, it's gnome's tool for administering grub/lilo06:06
Mechcozmoso was wondering06:06
sizzamany idea how to get around that?06:06
IIIEarsthoreauputic - reiserfs and emacs. - sly grin06:06
jasoncohenand it's called boot-admin06:06
ugovery good for laptops too06:06
elmagozizoui try but it close the program06:06
Mechcozmohmmm06:06
jasoncohenBurgundavia, you sure, i just checked breezy and it's not showing up06:06
emXZerboxx: you shouldn't mount a Windows drive as your home, although you could easily mount or link to it from *within* your home directory06:06
joolzColonelKerne: "CS cheats"?06:06
Mechcozmohow well does Ubuntu run on older hardware?06:06
thoreauputicelmagozizou: xine will play just about anything06:06
nickrudkevin, this time I was right, but, look at my advice thru a lens :)06:06
kevogodMechcozmo: It should work fine.06:06
thoreauputicMechcozmo: that depends...06:06
Burgundaviajasoncohen, shows up on my machine06:06
kevinummmmmm okay06:06
MechcozmoPII 350MHz?06:07
jasoncohenBurgundavia, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=boot-admin&searchmode=searchfilesanddirs&case=insensitive&version=breezy&arch=i38606:07
ZerboxxemX: I don't want to mount it as my home, I want to change it from ntfs to ext3 so it can be my home, but I want to keep all the files on that partition06:07
[2] BoxingFiendmech: i run ubuntu on a p3 833 and 384 megs of ram at work... works well06:07
Mechcozmothanks06:07
emXZerboxx: you can do that, but you'd have to first copy all the files off of it, then reformat it, then copy the files back.06:07
thoreauputicMechcozmo: on really old hardware you need to use lighter apps and window managers06:07
Burgundaviajasoncohen, it is part of gnome-system-tools06:07
Mechcozmoi have a spare PIII 500MHz 384MB (or is it 512MB?)06:07
[2] BoxingFiendmech:  p2 should be fine, just get a 32megs or more pci nvidia graphic card and you will be fine06:07
thoreauputicMechcozmo: should be fine06:07
elmagozizouthoreauputic, yeap but mp3s close the program...thats why im asking06:07
jasoncohenBurgundavia, yeah- but if you check that link i pasted you'll see there's no boot-admin binary06:07
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Mechcozmoand a PII 350MHz 64MB RAM06:08
Burgundaviajasoncohen, there is on my machine06:08
kevogodYou might want to consider XFCE if it is antique.06:08
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Burgundaviajasoncohen, packages.ubuntu.com sometimes lags behind06:08
thoreauputicMechcozmo: 64MB RAM isn't enough for gnome06:08
syndMechcozmo, i have it run awesome on a p3 650 with 128MB06:08
kevogod(as the Desktop Environment)06:08
Mechcozmook06:08
[2] BoxingFiendi would use fluxbox on an older machine06:08
Zerboxxemx: Alright, not too tough to do, I assume, how is partitioning handled in ubuntu? or is it just as "dangerous" as it is made to seem in xp?06:08
jasoncohenBurgundavia, dpkg -L gnome-system-tools shows /usr/bin/boot-admin ?06:08
IIIEarsMechcozmo - Fluxbox and XFCE4 are popular and can be innstalled using synaptic06:08
syndMechcozmo, but use XFCE4 or flux06:08
La_PaRCaubotu tell me about codecs06:08
Mechcozmoalright06:08
Burgundaviajasoncohen, yes06:08
Mechcozmoi'll get used to Ubuntu then try those other ones06:08
syndubuntu itself isnt a DM06:09
[2] BoxingFiendla_parca unbuntuguide.org has a nice write up on codec06:09
emXZerboxx: partitioning is always 'dangerous', insofar as you can easily goof up your data -- be sure to back it up first.06:09
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kevinnickrud: me thinks me wife is ready for bed, night and see you all tomorrow06:09
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syndMechcozmo, gnome is the DM on ubuntu06:09
Mechcozmosynd: eh?  DM?06:09
jasoncohenBurgundavia, i guess it does lag behind- see http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=gnome-system-tools&searchmode=filelist&case=insensitive&version=breezy&arch=i38606:09
Burgundavia[2] BoxingFiend, please don't recommend the ubuntuguide06:09
Mechcozmoah06:09
Mechcozmodesktop manager06:09
syndMechcozmo, desktop manager06:09
Zerboxx_emx: if you replied to my last comment, I didn't see it, sorry06:09
Mechcozmogotit06:09
emXZerboxx: partitioning is always 'dangerous', insofar as you can easily goof up your data -- be sure to back it up first.06:09
IIIEarsG'nite - kevin.06:09
La_PaRCa[2] BoxingFiend, thanks, but I just needed something that I knew was specifically there06:09
AegirWell, GNOME is a Window manager. GDM is the Desktop manager06:09
Zerboxx_emx: thanks!06:09
BurgundaviaLa_PaRCa, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats06:09
AegirBut they're kinda one and the same anyway06:10
thoreauputicMechcozmo: there's a whole bunch of alternatives - see  http://xwinman.org06:10
Mechcozmoalright06:10
parabolizeAegir: gnome isn't a window manager06:10
nickrudkevin, good night06:10
identphas anyone installed the new KDE 3.4.1 ?06:10
Zerboxx_emX: On a clean install, approximately how much room does Ubuntu take up?06:10
IIIEarsthoreauputic - nice link06:10
Aegirparabolize, Yeah, spose so06:10
crimsunidentp: see the topic of #kubuntu06:10
syndZerboxx_, depends06:10
BurgundaviaZerboxx_, 1.8 gb06:10
AegirBut GDM is the desktop manager06:10
Aegir:)06:10
Zerboxx_Burgundavia: Thanks :D06:10
parabolizemetacity is06:10
syndZerboxx_, default is almost 2g06:10
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emXZerboxx_: i don't usualy use the deafult; if space is a concern, it can easily come in below 1GB06:11
Aegirparabolize, I stand corrected, I often refer to GTK, Metacity, and the software itself as Gnome, and being the Window manager. Tad incorrect, but eh.06:11
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identpcrimsun, yes that is what prompted me to do so, i am having trouble installing and #kubuntu is pretty quiet06:11
Mechcozmowell, Ubuntu if i know it to be correct, is like the other Linux distros where you have the shell behind it all06:11
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Mechcozmoand the DM is a program06:12
Zerboxx_emX: If I were doing a clean insatll, space isn't a problem, but the way I have things set up for my XP box, it may be....I just don't want to have to rip all these cds again06:12
jasoncohenLa_PaRCa, if you want info on how to easily install multimedia codecs see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia06:12
Mechcozmowhich runs other programs(?)06:12
IIIEarsubotu windowmanagers is http://xwinman.org/ Feel the power of open software and choices.06:12
ubotuokay, IIIEars06:12
HrdwrBoBMechcozmo: init runs which runs other programs06:12
emXZerboxx_: can you back the ripped files up to DVD or a different computer via the network?06:12
Mechcozmook06:12
thoreauputicMechcozmo: gdm and kdm are kind of login managers for the GUI06:12
La_PaRCagod, I ask about codecs because I need the link to the repositories article and I get flooded.06:12
Mechcozmook...06:12
Zerboxx_emX: Not until September06:12
HrdwrBoBMechcozmo: init starts all the daemons etc, including GDM, which starts X which starts gnome-session which starts metacity+gnome-panel etc06:12
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Mechcozmogot it06:13
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jasoncohenBurgundavia, i wonder when boot-admin was added. i don't see anything in the changelog06:13
MechcozmoOS/2 was good... but not good enough06:13
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IIIEars<<- still laments the passing of CPM? - grin06:13
memoryleekany k3b users have problems burning .iso images??06:13
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emXZerboxx_: i see.06:14
=== thoreauputic hopes to live to see a similar announcement about Windows
poutinemjkelly93: I ran the update, to no avail06:14
Mechcozmo<<--still mourns the Happy Mac06:14
Zerboxx_Another question regarding a fresh defaul isntall of ubuntu, how does the auto-partitioning work? how much goes to swap, and all that? (if there is a %)06:14
Burgundaviajasoncohen, it was always there, just left out at compile time06:14
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poutineI selected "session" and clicked failsafe gnome, and it froze right after I clicked it too06:14
kevogodmemoryleeK: Works fine for me.06:14
IIIEarsmemoryleak - windows prefers the joliet extensions for it's CDs06:14
jasoncohenBurgundavia, and no reason was mentioned for leaving it out?06:14
mjkelly93poutine,   why did it take u so long to install?06:14
Burgundaviajasoncohen, no idea06:14
memoryleekkevo did you change any settings06:14
memoryleekIII06:14
memoryleekIIIEars: what's that?06:14
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nickrudMechcozmo, look into /etc/rcS.d, which runs before /etc/rc2.d06:15
Mechcozmofor?06:15
Mechcozmonickrud: for what?06:15
nickrudIIIEars, you really that old ;)06:15
poutinemjkelly93: because I'm on wireless06:15
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nickrudMechcozmo, for the things that init runs06:15
mjkelly93poutine, ahh i c06:16
Mechcozmooh06:16
IIIEarsanother solid reason i use gnomebaker - musta burned a dozen coasers with the wrong options ( i'm new - lol)06:16
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IIIEarsmy first computer was an "Eagle II"06:16
Mechcozmomy first was a Mac Plus06:16
poutineThis is a HP pavilion zv6000US, AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2ghz w/ 512 megs ram, 128 dedicated ATI radeon xpress 200m06:16
poutineif it helps06:16
nickrudIIIEars, that thing was not even ibm compatible, if I remember right06:16
IIIEarsgot a commodore 64 a bit later06:16
memoryleekmy first puter was an atari...but i was about 3 at the time06:17
Burgundaviajasoncohen, I suspect the reason is that is not the most user-friendly app06:17
poutineApple IIgs here06:17
OrbordeI need help setting up a Win98-Ubuntu network over a crossover cable.06:17
IIIEarsnope - worse neither was it a main stream CPM - lol06:17
mjkelly93poutine,  i really dont know what to tell ya      u can try a    grep EE /var/log/*06:17
nickrudah, the atari 800, my second06:17
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regeyao_O06:17
mjkelly93see if anything pops out there06:17
regeyaa crossover cable!  the important thing is to wire the cable correctly.06:17
enumquestion.. I have windows 2000 pro located on /dev/sda2.. I added the approipriate lines to lilo.conf, and I get "error loading opertating system" note:  this was a cut and past from my previous linux os ( same partitioning )06:17
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regeyathoreauputic, you're totally old. ;-)06:17
Mechcozmoit was external06:17
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poutinenothing :(06:18
thoreauputicregeya: yep06:18
Mechcozmo100MB of pure space06:18
nickrudthe best keyboard, except for the clicky ibm one06:18
Mechcozmo8MHz of power06:18
Mechcozmonah06:18
Mechcozmothe first Macs had great keyboard which made springy noises06:18
mjkelly93poutine,   there was none at all?06:18
Orborderegeya: Yeah, I messed that up at first. Now they're talking to each other, but I'm not getting Fun Windoze Services.06:18
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regeyaand I feel old because some "computer professionals" have never heard of a TRS-8006:18
IIIEarsmy first linux was a stab at RH 5.0 (it lasted a few hours before bieng erased with great prejudice.)06:18
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regeyaapple logo!06:18
regeyadamn.06:19
=== Madpilot remember some little tape-recorder-using computer. If you bumped the table, it would crash...
OrbordeOh, wait. Scratch that. It works now. JK. Ignore me. I'm an idiot.06:19
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La_PaRCaYou kids these days, when I was young we didnt have "keyboards"06:19
MadpilotI was about 4 or 5 when Dad got that...06:19
IIIEarsMadpilot - lol06:19
thoreauputicregeya: affectionately known as Trash-80 ;)06:19
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nashifeis anyone here willing to give me (linux newbie girl) some one-on-one help figuring out if I have bad blocks on my hard discs? Ubuntu won't reliably start up and I don't know what it means to unmount my disk in order to run fsck.  the friend I usually ask to help me is frustrated with how I don't know anything and don't understand what he means when he tells me to do something, so I'm looking for someone else who's patient and could06:19
nashifehelp me learn how to use badblocks or fsck.06:19
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IIIEarsTRS-80 - $2,700 nicely equipped06:19
eltinoa girl asking for one on one?06:19
memoryleeklol06:19
Mechcozmolol06:19
poutinemjkelly93: just the DRI thing I said earlier06:19
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Madpiloteltino: can it.06:20
nashifeeltino, yeah one-on-one06:20
nashifehaha06:20
mjkelly93ok    well that kinda makes things a little hard when theres no errors to show06:20
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mjkelly93maybe try shutting down X and restarting it?06:20
jasoncohennashife, when you boot up, does fsck say that your file system is corrupted and needs to be checked?06:20
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IIIEarsa 20 megabyte hard drive was vast06:21
nickrudIIIEars, lol, I put over 3,500 into my atari 800, a 93k drive, a color monitor, and a printer :)06:21
Mechcozmoi have 100MB of space06:21
ZerboxxemX: Thanks for your help, I think what I'll do is wait until I can..."borrow" a friends computer to transfer files over, then clean install, and take'em back06:21
Mechcozmo9" B&W monitor06:21
Mechcozmo800KB floppies were the limit though06:21
nashifejasoncohen, I don't think so. i would have remembered the word 'corrupted' or soemthing.  it doesn't boot up at all for a while. hangs at "starting ubuntu". then randomly it continues after i power down. last time it rebooted, gave me an error I didn't write down, and dropped me into a root user prompt. (!!!)06:21
nickrudMechcozmo, an S100 bus machine?06:22
Mechcozmoi must leave06:22
Mechcozmolol06:22
jasoncohennashife, when did this start happening?06:22
Mechcozmono nickrud06:22
IIIEarsvisicalc was a ram/processor hog. (most jpg files are larger than it is)06:22
MechcozmoMac Plus06:22
nashifethen i typed 'exit' and it finally loaded the rest of ubuntu.06:22
nashifeit started this today.06:22
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Madpilota friend still has a 650Mb drive in daily use. You could fit the *entire* thing on one CD...06:22
Mechcozmo1MB of RAM, 8MHz 68000, 800KB floppy drive06:22
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nashifebefore today, it would occaisionally restart randomly and I thought it was overheating... so I have a new fan and i'm watching the temp06:22
nickrudMechcozmo, k06:22
Mechcozmoyup06:22
Mechcozmo100MB external SCSI drive06:23
Mechcozmoit still runs06:23
nashifebut it rebooted randomly today, and that's when it wouldn't boot up successfully06:23
Mechcozmoi have it right here06:23
Mechcozmo:-)06:23
IIIEarsMadpilot - thats cool. - You can't wear them out.06:23
Madpilotnashife: I had something similar happen. turned out to be a bad motherboard06:23
thoreauputicMechcozmo: luxury ;-)06:23
emXZerboxx: ok; good luck.06:23
Mechcozmono kiddin'06:23
nickrudMechcozmo, I can remember envying you06:23
Mechcozmoi must leave06:23
Mechcozmoafter the torrent is over my Powerbook is taking a sleep06:23
Mechcozmonickrud: my friend's first computer was a K206:23
nashifeMadpilot, yick... bad motherboard...?  it's possible for me. all my hardware is pretty old and basically parts from friends06:23
slavehow do you burn .iso file to cd "setup for installation cd" ?06:23
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Mechcozmobut by that time i had the fastest video card on the block06:24
Mechcozmoincluding his06:24
La_PaRCaslave, right click->burn to cd06:24
nashifeso, can someone help me learn how to use fsck?06:24
jasoncohennashife, and what did your friend tell you to do. sounds like you need to run fsck from a failsafe mode06:24
Mechcozmonashlife: don't fsck unprotected!06:24
Mechcozmognight everybody06:24
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anggie_aqrhi06:24
Mechcozmo(conversation dies)06:24
Madpilotnashife: ouch. mine was brand-new and still covered by warrenty, thank Dog...06:24
Mechcozmo(damnit i always do that)06:24
slaveLa_PaRCA, thanks ! let me try out06:25
anggie_aqrhow to find out our ubuntu version, iam newbie linux either ubuntu06:25
nashifeMadpilot, he told me to go into 'single user mode' and run it. but i don't know what that means, and he got annoyed with me when I asked him to step-by-step explain it.06:25
nashifeso i came here.06:25
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thoreauputicanggie_aqr: type   cat /etc/issue in a terminal06:25
nickrudnashife, telinit 1 will get you single user mode06:25
nashifeer, that last msg was for jasoncohen06:25
anggie_aqrok i`ll try06:25
Madpilotnashife: if it is hardware, you're out of luck. but try fsck, it won't hurt.06:26
nickrud*sudo telinit 106:26
naliothnashife: there is a hard drive monitoring suite, if you want to look at that "smartmontoold"06:26
thoreauputicanggie_aqr: to get a terminal right click the desktop and choose it from the menu that pops up06:26
naliothcrap06:26
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naliothdamn i'm slow06:26
IcemanV9ubuntu -version doesn't work?? :p06:27
nickrudthere's a lot of lag right now06:27
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anggie_aqrits reply no such file or directory, thore\06:27
abarbacciahey guys, are some of the ubuntu repositories down?06:27
anggie_aqrsorry i got typos with your nick06:27
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nickrudabarbaccia, the us ones seem to always be donw06:27
thoreauputicanggie_aqr: are you sure you typed it right?06:27
Burgundaviaabarbaccia, the us ones are iffy right now06:27
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anggie_aqryes \06:28
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thoreauputicanggie_aqr:  cat /etc/issue06:28
nashifeeeep. someone could have told me what that was going to do...06:28
abarbacciaalright - thanks guys - just making sure its not my connection....06:28
thoreauputicanggie_aqr: well, if it's ubuntu that file must exist :)06:28
anggie_aqrUbuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" \n \l06:28
ColonelKernelim still having problems with initial DNS resolution on things, its taking a bit06:28
thoreauputicanggie_aqr: aha06:28
anggie_aqrthats worked06:28
ColonelKernelits almost instantaneous on windoze06:28
thoreauputicanggie_aqr: OK that's current06:28
crimsunanggie_aqr: lsb_release -a06:28
nickrudnashife, what's 'that'?06:28
ColonelKernelnot so good at all in ubuntu06:29
anggie_aqrthe mean, i have latest version or what?06:29
[2] BoxingFiendcolonel: you have try disabling ip6 in firefox?06:29
ksmurfok I wrote a script and made it u+x and placed it in the init.d folder and did an update ..defaults99.  The script won't start but will start in sessions?  anyone know what I'm doing wrong?06:29
thoreauputiccrimsun: canonically correct but I neer remember it :)06:29
nashifesomeone here just told me that a command like tinit 1 or something would put me in single user mode... and I didn't know what that would do, so I tried it...06:29
naliothnashife: are you concerned with your hard drive?06:29
ColonelKernelI have - this is not a firefox thing, its a system wide thing06:29
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nickrudksmurf, may I pm you?06:29
SDFH_Linuxhow you get kde desktop06:29
ksmurfyes06:29
nashifenalioth, yeah i'm worried.  I can't afford to replace much, so I want to scan it and make sure it's usable... or start looking for a cheap replacement.06:30
anggie_aqrthoreauputic: is this ubuntu 5.04 is the lattest version?06:30
[2] BoxingFienddo a cat /etc/modprobe.d/aliases under net-pf-10 change from ip6 to off and reboot06:30
thoreauputicanggie_aqr: yes06:30
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nashifeso, what was that command again to get into single user mode?  that kills everything except for root right?06:30
thoreauputicanggie_aqr: except for the unstable development version06:30
nashifei'll write it down this time06:30
naliothnashife: install "smartmontools" and run 'smartctl'06:30
anggie_aqrso the mean, i can connect my usb flash disc automatically (no need mount manually), right?06:31
naliothnashife: smartctl will read the S.M.A.R.T data from your HD06:31
thoreauputicnashife: sudo telinit 106:31
ColonelKernelalias net-pf-10 ipv6 off <--- did that already06:31
[2] BoxingFiendcolonel no should read alias net-pf-10 off06:31
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nashifenalioth, is smartctl gui?06:32
ColonelKernelDOH06:32
ColonelKernelthanks06:32
thoreauputicanggie_aqr: usb usually just works, yes06:32
naliothnashife: no it is terminal06:32
nashifenalioth, what's different about it vs fsck?06:32
anggie_aqrthanks for your help thoreauputic06:32
thoreauputicanggie_aqr: no problem :)06:32
nashifecan i use it from my regular session? or do i also need to be in single user mode?06:33
anggie_aqroh yeah, once again, where can i d/l ubuntu version for live cd?06:33
naliothnashife: S.M.A.R.T hard drives keep a record of faults and operating status to an onboard recorder06:33
anggie_aqrtheres a live cd, isnt it?06:33
naliothnashife: fsck checks data integrity06:33
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naliothnashife: smartctl can be run anywhere06:33
parabolizeI am having trouble with a UMS device on a specific computer. I am searching for somebody with the same errors but can't find anyone. Here is my post on the forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4959706:34
nashifeso, what is smartctl used for? it's not for checking integrity? it just logs stuff?06:34
anggie_aqris there any live cd version?06:34
nashifeer, smartmontools?06:34
anggie_aqrlike knoppix?06:34
jasoncohenBurgundavia, i just compiled gnome-system-tools from breezy and installed it but boot-admin isn't installed06:34
IIIEarsanggie_aqr - yes there is06:34
thoreauputicanggie_aqr: yes06:34
anggie_aqrthank you everyone06:34
jasoncohenBurgundavia, what version of gnome-system-tools do you have?06:34
Madpilotanggie_aqr: yes. ubuntu.com06:34
anggie_aqryou`re so helpfull06:34
naliothnashife: smartctl basically has the HD bring out its log of HARDWARE status06:35
anggie_aqrhappy helping06:35
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naliothnashife: smartctl will tell you if your HD is having a hardware failure06:35
bluefoxicydoes bugzilla.ubuntu.com contain no data for anyone else06:35
IIIEarsanggie_aqr - We certainly try - if you want surly you need to try the #RedHat channel. - lol06:35
bluefoxicyit's frequently down for me.06:35
nashifenalioth, ok. so I should run those tools before running fsck? or instead of?06:35
La_PaRCawhere is Xorg.conf located?06:35
naliothIIIEars: i thought it was #debians turn this week for "surly"06:35
naliothnashife: run both06:36
crimsunbluefoxicy: definitely contains data for me06:36
parabolize/etc/X11/xorg.conf06:36
naliothnashife: they complement each other06:36
IIIEarsnalioth - Oops - erm i didn't get the memo06:36
mmc_greetings on the channel... i'm new to IRC so... i have an ubuntu config question if anyone has time06:36
[2] BoxingFiendwhat sup mmc06:36
Burgundaviajasoncohen, 1.3.006:36
naliothmmc_: ask away06:36
mmc_boxing and nalioth... i want to hook up an "old school" iomega paralell port zip drive06:36
mmc_not sure where to start06:37
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naliothmmc_: first thing is to plug it in :)06:37
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mmc_nalioth... k... not quite THAT noobs... <grin>06:37
bluefoxicyok got it.06:38
IIIEarsmmc_ - then maybe lspci - l  - is that right?06:38
naliothmmc_: ubuntu will either 'see' it and mount whatever disk you put in, or it won't and you'll have to configurate06:38
IIIEarsAh well - i am a newb - never mind06:38
IIIEarsG'nite06:38
mmc_nalioth... would it mount to /mnt??? cause nothing there06:39
barlasG'morning IIIEars :-p06:39
[2] BoxingFiendafter plugging it in, under System -> Admin -> Device Manager, under the zip drive, Advance tab what /dev/hd?? is it listed as06:39
naliothmmc_: ubuntu mounts most things (in my experience) to /media06:39
mmc_let me chk... brb06:39
jasoncohenBurgundavia, i installed 1.3.0 on hoary and i don't have a boot-admin06:40
jasoncoheni removed hoary's gnome-system-tools and built a new package with checkinstall06:40
bluefoxicythere, bug #12772 submitted.06:40
[2] BoxingFiendanyknow if the original zip drive still uses ppa module or imm?06:40
bluefoxicydoesn't this channel have a bot that states new bugs :/06:41
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mmc_nothing listed under device manager06:41
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naliothmmc_: i see you are in good hands with [2] BoxingFiend06:41
[2] BoxingFienddo a lsmod | grep "imm|ppa"06:41
mmc_nalioth... thanks and peace to u, brother06:42
bimberi[2] BoxingFiend: ppa (mine's the parallel port model)06:42
mmc_boxingfiend... let me try that lsmod...06:42
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[2] BoxingFiendwow... jazip package includes a nice gui part of universe06:43
benplautwow... it's quiet in here today...06:43
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mmc_got no response to lsmod06:44
thoreauputicbenplaut: a temporary calm :)06:44
mmc_boxingfiend... what's jazip06:44
nickruda lull between the wonderful storms06:44
[2] BoxingFienddo you have universe unlocked under /etc/apt/sources.list?06:44
dafinahigh!06:45
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thoreauputicbenplaut: you missed the entertainment provided by one "wonderland" some hopurs back...06:45
mmc_boxingfiend... i just did a standard install... ur a little over my head at the moment06:45
thoreauputic*hours06:45
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sizzamanyone here use NZBGet?06:45
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[2] BoxingFiend!sources.list06:45
ubotuI haven't a clue, [2] BoxingFiend06:45
thoreauputic!sources06:45
ubotusources is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto06:45
erudeyehow to mount partition so the user can access, not only root06:46
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[2] BoxingFiendcheck out that link mmc and then install jazip package06:46
naliothsizzam: what is nzbget?06:46
erudeyehello, need help :D06:46
sizzamits an app to handle nzb files - basicall xml postlists for newsgroups06:47
erudeyeabout mounting06:47
sizzam*basically06:47
nalioths_dogerudeye: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically06:47
[2] BoxingFiendfound this i thought i share... www.serbaniaotic.com/TomKillsOprah.mov06:47
erudeyehmmm06:47
crimsun[2] BoxingFiend: keep the off-topic stuff in #ubuntu-offtopic, please06:47
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naliothsizzam: did you need help with it, or were just asking?06:47
mmc_boxingfiend... checkig out the repositories link... will chk back w/ questions06:48
sizzami need help with the configuration file for it06:48
mmc_boxingfiend... thanks and peace to you06:48
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ksmurfcan anyone help me with configuring my wacom inside xorg.conf06:48
naliothsizzam: i use Pan for my nntp, (cuz they dont do nzb's)06:48
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sizzami was using nzbperl, but im having trouble getting all of the required perl modules for it06:49
erudeyei don't want mounting forever, just right now :D06:49
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arui want mounting forever06:50
drcodedd2hi all06:50
naliothsizzam: the perl mods aren't in the repos?06:50
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drcodedd2how I get back to packge installed menu ?06:50
drcodedd2I want to check if gnome is installed06:50
sizzamnalioth: some are, theres a list of about 20 of them06:51
thoreauputicdrcodedd2: there is no package called gnome afaik06:51
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thoreauputicdrcodedd2: and it should be obvious if gnome is installed ;)06:51
drcodedd2I think it didnt installed it06:52
naliothsizzam: so have you installed all the perl mods you've found in the repos?06:52
thoreauputicdrcodedd2: I stand corrected - there is indeed a gnome package06:52
sizzamnalioth:  i havent done it on this install, let me run through it and see how it goes06:52
thoreauputicdrcodedd2: why do you think this?06:52
nickrudcan someone teach me how to cleanly exit a channel created by right clicking a nick in xchat?06:52
naliothnickrud: you mean a private message window?06:53
Madpilotnickrud: /part [name of channel]  ?06:53
nickrudnalioth, yes06:53
thoreauputicdrcodedd2: if it's because you can't get the desktop to start, your problem is elsewhere06:53
Madpilotnickrud: ah, nvrmnd...06:53
nickrudMadpilot, tried that :)06:53
naliothnickrud: right click on the tab with the user nick in it and click close06:53
drcodedd2it say no X file06:53
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ksmurfis it one & or 2 && to send a command to the background?06:54
thoreauputicdrcodedd2: did you do a standard install ?06:54
nickrudnalioth, does that really close it, for real, I'm not real comfortable that that works06:54
dafinaksmurf: one &06:54
drcodedd2yes06:54
drcodedd2I will try to reinstall it06:54
ksmurfdafine and at the end right?06:54
dafinayes06:54
[2] BoxingFiend& for backgroup, && for an AND operator06:54
thoreauputicdrcodedd2: what does the command  "which X" return? (without the quote marks)06:55
erudeyei has just mount, the root can access, but the user can't, how to fix?06:55
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naliothnickrud: did it disappear?06:55
nickrudnalioth, closed, tab gone06:55
thoreauputicbah another "reinstall before trying" quit...06:55
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erudeyei has just mount, the root can access, but the user can't, how to fix?06:56
[2] BoxingFienderudeye: mount reads /etc/fstab, make sure the mount point you have in question contains user as one of the flag06:56
thoreauputicerudeye: what did you mount, and with what command?06:56
newbiehi i was wondering when the new ndiswrapper will be integrated to ubuntu will it be in breezy?06:56
erudeyehmmm06:56
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erudeyemount /dev/hda5 /mnt/data06:56
erudeyethat command06:56
imaekWhat is the file to lsof to see what is using ALSA?06:56
Une-ga-dihiAnyone had Ubuntu kill a hard drive?06:56
[2] BoxingFienddo a df -T -h06:57
Seveasnewbie, 'new ndiswrapper'..?06:57
[2] BoxingFiendwhat file type is /dev/hda506:57
Seveaswhen was the release?06:57
thoreauputicerudeye: you mounted it as root then06:57
ksmurfbrb06:57
erudeyentfs06:57
erudeyei have06:57
erudeyei mount it on root06:57
erudeyebut when i back to normal user, i can't read it06:58
thoreauputicerudeye: what line in /etc/fstab do you have for that partition?06:58
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thoreauputicerudeye: type  less /etc/fstab  to see06:58
[2] BoxingFienddo you have something like /dev/hda4 /mnt/data ntfs rw,user,noauto in /etc/fstab?06:59
newbiesevas ndiswrapper 1.2 http://sourceforge.net/projects/ndiswrapper/06:59
erudeyeno one06:59
erudeyeno hda506:59
[2] BoxingFiend/dev/hda5*06:59
aruI had a drive I could access as root but not as user, I had to delete the mountpoint then make the dir as user :)06:59
erudeyeno06:59
newbieis ndiswrapper 1.1 integrated to ubuntu?06:59
erudeyeno one06:59
erudeyeshould i add that?07:00
thoreauputicerudeye: as [2] BoxingFiend points out, you should have a line like the one he gave above07:00
erudeyeOK :D07:00
erudeyethanx guys07:00
thoreauputicerudeye: wait07:00
erudeyeyes what07:00
thoreauputicerudeye: you need  0 0 at the end of the line as well07:00
erudeyewhat that mean?07:00
[2] BoxingFiendyeah sorry /dev/hda5 /mnt/data ntfs rw,user,noauto 0 007:01
erudeyedump07:01
erudeyepass07:01
erudeyewhat is dump07:01
erudeyewhat is pass07:01
thoreauputicerudeye: yes - just make sure you put  0  007:01
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erudeyeplease explain me what that meaning of 0 007:01
thoreauputic[2] BoxingFiend:  rw is kind of pointless for ntfs07:02
[2] BoxingFiend !fstab07:02
ubotu[2] BoxingFiend: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?07:02
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erudeyeyes, it's read only07:02
erudeyeno rw07:02
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thoreauputicerudeye: I would suggest you use   noauto,ro,users,umask=022 0 007:03
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erudeyebut can i add rw so i can write to it?07:03
erudeyehmmm07:03
thoreauputicerudeye: you can't write safely to ntfs07:03
erudeyeok07:03
thoreauputicerudeye: those entries are what I use here07:03
naliotherudeye: writing to NTFS is the quick way to an all linux hard drive07:03
[2] BoxingFienddump = determine if the filesystem needs to be dump, and pass = is used by fsck upon reboot time07:04
benplauti thought CaptiveNTFS was stable by now (didn't cause corruption)?07:04
mmc_boxingfiend... ok, i have installed jazip07:05
thoreauputicbenplaut: feel free to walk erudeye through setting up CaptiveNTFS ;-) I suggest not07:05
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crowsup?07:05
[2] BoxingFiendbe lazy like me and use smb to mount ntfs07:05
[2] BoxingFiendmmc_: got it to work?07:05
benplautthoreauputic: point taken :)07:06
erudeye:D07:06
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crowanyone know if its possible to use other GUIs in ubuntu?07:06
benplauti use all ext3 anyway, so...07:06
shad0wi cant get 3d accelleration to work.. i have an ATI Radeon 920007:06
erudeyelike kde :D07:06
benplautcrow: other Desktop Environments?07:06
crowben: like fluxbox07:06
shad0wanyone know how to fix 3d accelleration ;o07:06
seth_kshad0w: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto07:06
shad0wthanks07:06
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benplautcrow: yup... just install using apt-get or synaptic, and then select session when you log in07:07
benplauti use flux for games: )07:07
mmc_boxingfiend... well... not sure what to do now... i tried to run jazip from the command line and  it says can't read config file... permissions wrong maybe?07:07
crowben: i love flux, its simple yet powerfull07:07
[2] BoxingFiend1 sec let me install it and read the man page07:07
mmc_boxingfiend thx07:07
benplautcrow: too simple, IMO, but... to each his/her own :)07:08
[2] BoxingFiendmmc: sudo jazipconfig07:08
crowjust installed ubuntu today, used several other distros but liking ubuntu so far07:08
crowben: most other GUIs use too many system resources IMHO07:08
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SysFailhas anybody gotten mp3 to audio cd burning to work????07:09
[2] BoxingFiendcrow: flux rocks on system resources07:09
digitalfoxflux is beautiful07:09
emX*box are cool WMs, but i'm most pleased with ion07:09
digitalfoxion?07:09
digitalfoxis ion low resource?07:09
emX!info ion07:09
naliothcrow: i'm not sure if the fluxbox packager included a .desktop file07:09
crowhavent heard of that one07:09
digitalfoxnalioth, why would it? O.o07:10
mmc_boxingfiend... "no zip devices detected by system"  am i mising a driver for scsi or someting?07:10
emXion's really low resource usage07:10
mmc_*something07:10
emXtiled window manager -- no overlapping windows.07:10
naliothcrow: if you dont see it in "sessions", you'll need to open a /usr/share/xsessions/ *.desktop file READONLY and use it as a template for the flux .desktop07:10
digitalfoxyou need to reboot gdm07:11
thoreauputicnalioth: there's a more serious issue with the hoary fluxbox which is only solved by compiling with --disable-xmb  (slow starts)07:11
benplautcrow: the minimum [on features]  i can handle is XFCE, but i abandoned it because the "start" button doesn't go all the way to the bottom-left corner :P07:11
IcemanV9emX: sounds like you needs a LARGE lcd to see all windows :P07:11
digitalfoxto see the changes take effect07:11
digitalfoxIcemanV9, that's what I was thinking :p07:11
[2] BoxingFiendmmc_: i am assuming your parallel is detected under /dev/sda.. if so then add to /etc/fstab; /dev/sda /zip auto auto 0 0, where /zip is the local directory you want to mount to07:11
crowi havent installed it yet, was going to ask to see if it works, before i tried installed07:11
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digitalfoxI wonder how much memory that saves07:11
emXIcemanV9: :-)07:11
mmc_boxingfiend... thx.. i'll be back07:11
Wckdkl0wnnpdsply could not create direct show player    i get this error in firefox.. what do i have to isntall to fix it?07:11
nalioththoreauputic: i dont use flux, but i have seen several users in here with less-used DMs, not have an entry in the sessions menu for their new DM07:11
emXdigitalfox: funs about as low as straight X07:11
emX*runs07:12
crowbenplaut: yeah, i dont require eyecandy though, as long as the system works for me...07:12
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thoreauputicnalioth: correct - enlightenment is an example I think07:12
emXIcemanV9: use it on my laptop, with 15" screen at 1024...works fine.07:12
digitalfoxI've never run straight X, only twm07:12
nalioththoreauputic: i dont remember how many, but i've done it on my system for more than one07:13
IcemanV9emX: 15" @ 1024?? you're kidding, right?? not 1600 or 1400?07:13
Wckdkl0wnanyone know?07:13
benplautcrow: i'm stuck with the GUI config tools of Gnome :)07:13
thoreauputicnalioth: yes, i've done the same07:13
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emXIcemanV9: blame the i810 drivers (or IBM); that's all it can do.07:13
Wckdkl0wnnpdsply could not create direct show player    i get this error in firefox.. what do i have to isntall to fix it?07:13
IcemanV9emX: aw, shucks! too bad, i am using 1400 w/ 15"07:14
erudeye/dev/hda5       /mnt/data       ntfs    ro,users,umask  0       0 <<< this is on my fstab07:14
thoreauputicnalioth: flux does include fluxbox.desktop in the ubuntu package though07:14
emXIcemanV9: that'd be nice...07:14
digitalfoxuh, the i810 drivers work fine at higher than 1024x76807:14
erudeyebut i still can't read it07:14
digitalfoxpretty sure...07:14
[2] BoxingFiendchange users to user07:14
emXdigitalfox: not with my specific chip07:14
erudeyeok07:14
nalioththoreauputic: tx 4 the info07:14
emXdigitalfox: i spent a weekend fiddling with it...07:14
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thoreauputicnalioth: the trouble with the ubuntu fluxbox is it floods the font server or something - which slows the startup alarmingly (like 30 seconds or more)07:15
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dbernar1oh thats why...07:15
nalioththoreauputic: will have to keep that in mind, will it be addressed in 5.10?07:16
dbernar1I guess not alarmingly for me...07:16
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erudeyeYou do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "data". <<<< :(07:16
thoreauputicthe issue is fixed by compiling flux with --disable-xmb07:16
dbernar1or alarmingly enough, to point to the reason.07:16
erudeyei didn't got the ide07:16
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erudeyea07:16
[2] BoxingFiendmake sure you sudo umount /mnt/data, then mount again07:17
erudeyehmm07:17
thoreauputicnalioth: I emailed the maintainer, but got no reply07:17
ecliptikmy wireless card is crashing out randomly, it works fine when I'm in the room with the router but when I move away from it some the activity light goes solid and my networking is dead, any ideas on what's going on with it?07:17
Wckdkl0wnnpdsply could not create direct show player    i get this error in firefox.. what do i have to isntall to fix it?07:17
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ecliptikit's a netgear wg511 v1 pcmcia card using prism2 drivers07:17
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erudeye:((07:17
erudeyeit can't07:17
thoreauputicerudeye: did you edit fstab?07:17
erudeye/dev/hda5       /mnt/data       ntfs    ro,users,umask  0       0 <<< this is on my fstab07:18
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thoreauputicerudeye: wrong07:18
erudeyeshould i restart?07:18
erudeyewhat wrong?07:18
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thoreauputic/dev/hda5       /mnt/data       ntfs    noauto,ro,users,umask=022  0 007:18
keikozwhat's the umask for, if you dont put a value ?07:19
erudeyeok let me try07:19
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holycowanyone here run cinelerra by chance?07:19
[2] BoxingFiendi think it's user not users for the options flag, let me check the man page07:19
thoreauputicerudeye: if you fix it you will be able to mount with "mount /mnt/data" as a user07:19
keikozyes it is user07:19
erudeyehmm07:20
erudeyek07:20
thoreauputic[2] BoxingFiend: they do different things07:20
keikozbut i dont see what putting it for07:20
keikozput umask=0222 that's enough07:20
Wckdkl0wnnpdsply could not create direct show player    i get this error in firefox.. what do i have to isntall to fix it?07:20
thoreauputicusers allows any user to umount07:20
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thoreauputicuser only the one who mounted it07:20
keikozand the ro is not useful; you can't anyway write on it07:20
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yahalomanyone using the StarterBar desklet?07:21
thoreauputickeikoz: it does no harm :)07:21
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keikozno that's sure07:21
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thoreauputickeikoz: let's just get it working for him, OK?07:21
keikozi just like making it simple, when it is possible07:21
mmc_boxingfiend... back... no go yet... /dev/sda not appearing07:21
keikozrhaaaa he was asking, i explained him07:22
jasoncohenBurgundavia, the gnome-system-tools version from breezy doesn't appear to work properly with sudo. It asks for my root password when i start time-admin, network-admin, shares-admin etc. and refuses to accept the password of my current user. if i remove the breey version and re-install the hoary version it uses gksdo i believe07:23
imaekHow do I tell what is using alsa? It is lsof something07:23
[2] BoxingFiendmmc: cat /proc/scsi/scsi and see which drive is detected07:23
thoreauputickeikoz: well, we've been helping him, and there's no point in prolonging the agony with unecessary corrections :)07:23
SysFailhas anybody gotten mp3 to audio cd burning to work????07:23
yahalomanyone?07:23
dabaRwhere is w32codecs? ubotu does not kno...07:23
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La_PaRCacan i just add a resolution to my xorg.conf if its not there?07:23
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jasoncohenBurgundavia, even after using sudo with another application, it continued to ask me for my root password when i should have 15 minutes of access.07:23
[2] BoxingFiend!restricted07:24
ubotuhmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats07:24
thoreauputicdabaR: ^^^07:24
Burgundaviajasoncohen, there is another a fix, make certain you get the latest one07:24
jasoncohenBurgundavia, are you seeing this issue in breezy>07:24
Burgundaviajasoncohen, yes, but it has been fixed07:24
mmc_boxingfiend "AttachedDevices: "07:24
mmc_boxingfiend.. nothing showing07:24
dabaRLa_PaRCa: ya, you prolly could. or use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg07:24
jasoncohenBurgundavia, it must have been fixed very recently because i just downloaded the source package off packages.ubuntu.com07:24
La_PaRCadabaR, its not for me, its for a newbie, so I need to do it the easy way for me07:24
Burgundaviajasoncohen, run breezy or run hoary, mixing is total crack07:24
jasoncohenBurgundavia, does ubuntu have something like qa.debian.org that is more up to date?07:24
mmc_i feel like i must be missing scsi support in the kernel??? ya think?07:25
Burgundaviajasoncohen, what does qa.debian.org?07:25
jasoncohenBurgundavia, i just wanted to see if gnome-system-tools had boot-admin07:25
[2] BoxingFiendmmc: it's there, forgot the module name for insmod07:25
Burgundaviajasoncohen, it does, trust me07:25
jasoncoheni don't need the instability of breezy for that07:25
thoreauputicerudeye: please keep your questions in channel and ask before /msg ing or dcc chatting07:25
dabaRthoreauputic, [2] BoxingFiend: in fact, it is not there any more.07:26
dabaRIs it in backports, or marillat, what was it?07:26
keikozthoreauputic07:26
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jasoncohenBurgundavia, package tracking system with up to date info + changelog info + bug info - see http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html07:26
thoreauputicdabaR: it's in backports I think07:26
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keikozthat's a bill gates -style opinion :p07:26
erudeye:D07:26
erudeyeok07:26
dabaRi should just go see.07:26
erudeyebut i'm confuse07:26
thoreauputickeikoz: chill07:27
Burgundaviajasoncohen, that is nifty. I believe launchpad will have something similar07:27
jasoncohenBurgundavia, debian has a much better infrastructure for handling bugs (reportbug provides useful info that isn't available through bugzilla)07:27
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thoreauputickeikoz: thanks for the gratuitous insult07:27
keikozrhoooo07:27
Burgundaviajasoncohen, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/products/gepolabo/07:27
keikozwas joking xD07:27
mmc_<scrathing head>07:28
thoreauputickeikoz: since you feel like hijacking the process, feel free to help erudeye and I'll disappear happily07:28
dabaRbah, I really did not have them installed.07:28
jasoncohenBurgundavia, that's for stock quotes, isn't it?07:28
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keikozno, i go to sleep07:28
dabaRI am not using my ubuntu, it seems.07:28
[2] BoxingFiendis scsi support, scsi disk support, and iomega parallel port zip drive scsi support compile by the default kernel?07:28
dabaRok, I go to something else.07:28
jasoncohenBurgundavia, qa.debian.org is updated live i believe. packages.debian.org/packages.ubuntu.com get updated once a day at most or less07:29
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icemanAnyone using 64 bit ubuntu ...07:29
jasoncohenBurgundavia, qa.debian.org is done based on source packages. it's more a tool for develoeprs07:29
jasoncohen*developers07:29
Burgundaviajasoncohen, launchpad is also sources packages07:30
Burgundaviait is very much a tool for developers07:30
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erudeyeOK i got it, thanx guys07:30
OrbordeWhere does Ubuntu store its default interface info for eth0? I can't make eth0 remember the static IP address I assigned it past a reboot.07:30
jasoncohenBurgundavia, btw, do you have firefox 1.0.5 in breezy? it went into sid on 7/1607:30
Burgundaviajasoncohen, not currently07:30
keikozthoreauputic i'm sorry, didnt want to hurt you07:30
Burgundaviajasoncohen, Ubuntu just passed the Upstream Version Freeze07:30
keikozand i dont search pbls ... ^^07:30
jasoncohenBurgundavia, ...already?07:31
jsgotangcoit did07:31
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icemanI'm looking at a upgrade ... to 64 bit AMD based System ... need advice ..07:31
Burgundaviajasoncohen, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule07:31
ColonelKernelstill getting very slow dns resolution07:32
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jasoncohenBurgundavia, so breezy may actually be decently stable in a few weeks?07:32
Burgundaviajasoncohen, notice any similarities? --> http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/TwoPointEleven07:32
Burgundaviajasoncohen, might07:32
Burgundaviagnome 2.12 is still coming07:33
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Burgundaviaand the X stuff isn't finished yet07:33
holycowby the way, if anyone is interested, the cinelerra rpms from http://heroinewarrior.com/download.php3 convert fine with alien and install cleanly it seems07:33
holycowneat07:33
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bluefoxicyoh my GOD07:33
bluefoxicyhttp://opensource.com/07:34
bluefoxicyevil.07:34
jsgotangcoJaneW, hi07:34
highvoltageJaneW: I second that :)07:34
OrbordeWhere does Ubuntu store its default interface info for eth0? I can't make eth0 remember the static IP address I assigned it past a reboot. Help, please?07:34
jasoncohenBurgundavia, well, the ubuntu release schedule will have to be flagrantly ignored to get 2.12 in07:34
holycowbluefoxicy, they write quite a lot of open source and support quite a bit of open source development07:34
holycowi07:34
holycowi'm happy they are making money frankly07:35
OrbordeI'm assigning it with "ifconfig -a eth0 27.0.0.2", and it works until I reboot.07:35
Burgundaviajasoncohen, most of the features are already there07:35
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Burgundaviajasoncohen, for gnome 2.1207:35
highvoltagebluefoxicy: that is evil.07:35
Burgundaviajasoncohen, and that is one thing that does ignore the feature freeze, due to how closely Ubuntu works with gnome07:35
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jasoncohenso, after august 11th, there will be no more updates for most everything else?07:36
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jasoncohensince that's the featurefreeze date07:36
Burgundaviajasoncohen, only stablization stuff07:36
mjkelly93anybody know what command or program is used to configure the "ati" module for ati cards?    Im looking for a program similar to fglrxconfig, except for the ati module?07:37
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jasoncoheni still don't understand ubuntu's policy on firefox. i get the theoretical argument for not having packages change versions due to potential library changes and thus breakage in other apps, but that need not happen with firefox AND more importantly the ubuntu security team doesn't seem to be able to keep up with firefox updates- especially on warty07:38
JaneWmorning :)07:38
Madpilotdoes "Upstream Freeze" for Breezy mean that the latest version of Screem (among others) won't be in Breezy?07:38
jasoncohenit took quite a while to get al of 1.0.4's fixes backported (over 2 weeks) and there's been nothing for warty and it's been nearly 2 months!07:38
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QaDeSanyone can help me setting up my wpa encrypted wlan?07:39
jasoncohenBurgundavia, how do you feel about ubuntu's policy on upgrading packages- in particular firefox07:39
[2] BoxingFiendOrdorde: /etc/network/interfaces for default values07:39
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AndrewcoolHello07:39
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Andrewcoolanybody there?07:40
jasoncohenQaDeS, you'll want to use wpasupplicant. i can show you my config file. I use WPA-PSK. there are also examples installed.07:40
MadpilotAndrewcool: only 405 of us... :)07:40
Burgundaviajasoncohen, same as debians07:40
QaDeSok :)07:40
Andrewcool:D well umm 403 can be asleep :D07:40
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jordanhi07:41
jasoncohenBurgundavia, true- but debian doesn't cater to desktop users07:41
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jasoncohenBurgundavia, they also don't care as much about ease of use07:41
Burgundaviajasoncohen, as long as the security fixes get in, I am fine07:41
AndrewcoolWell umm i have a question about Ubuntu07:41
jordanHI07:41
AndrewcoolHello..07:41
BurgundaviaAndrewcool, don't ask to ask, just ask07:41
AndrewcoolWill can Ubuntu do duel like xp and Ubuntu07:41
jordan:)07:41
jasoncohenBurgundavia, well, they don't in a timely fashion. 2 weeks is a long time for hoary and it's been 2 months and there's no updates for warty. hoary's mozilla never was patched07:41
jordanbye07:41
Madpilot!dualboot07:42
ubotudualboot is probably http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38398 or ask me about <grub>07:42
Madpilot!grub07:42
ubotugrub is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto07:42
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jasoncohenBurgundavia, and the breakage of mozilla's extension site was unfortunate- and not mozilla's fault07:42
Andrewcoolok thanks07:42
MadpilotAndrewcool: you should look at the 'grub' link that was just posted07:42
Burgundaviajasoncohen, yes it was actually, if you read the bug07:42
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jasoncohenthey make a valid argument that by distributing firefox in the way that debian, ubuntu and other distros distribute it, you're not getting an official mozilla package and when things break they get the complaints- like the inability to use extensions. in order for them to have safely allowed ubuntu users, they would have had to look at the full version tag of firefox- and do the same for all distros07:43
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jasoncohenand at the time they merely wanted to block access to old firefox versions which was more important than catering to all the distros07:44
SysFailwould be nice if konqueror worked without crashing...wouldnt need firefox :)07:44
Burgundaviajasoncohen, the reason mozilla had to break u.m.o is because they cannot tell if a version is patched except through the vendorstring07:44
jasoncohenfor me the issue is that it's unacceptable that mozilla-browser still hiasn't been patched and that warty's firefox and mozilla haven't been patched07:44
QaDeSjasoncohen, i instaled wpasupplicant now07:45
andrewcool_awayIs there a easyier way to do duel install.. :D07:45
jasoncohenBurgundavia, i thought they could07:45
Burgundaviajasoncohen, nope07:45
jasoncohenBurgundavia, so, are they doing anything to change that?07:45
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Madpilotduel install? is that where the two OSes fight with each other?07:45
andrewcoolumm *confushed*07:46
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hondjethey take 10 inodes and fire07:46
jasoncohenBurgundavia, since firefox is perhaps the #1 used app in ubuntu and mozilla-browser is in main, ubuntu should either have timely security updates or it should release the newest version available07:46
Madpilotit's spelled "dual", andrewcool... and those URLs are the standard resources07:46
Burgundaviajasoncohen, security patching is not easy07:47
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jasoncohenBurgundavia, it's not as big as an issue on debian because if you are running etch, you can easily install the latest version from sid and sarge users tend not to be desktop users- at least that i have seen07:47
Burgundaviathey always need more people to help07:47
jasoncohenBurgundavia, i know it isn't. that's why i don't think this particular app should be patched07:47
Wckdkl0wnnpdsply error occurs in firefox how would i fix it... i did google for it but keeps coming up as a problem for windows07:47
Madpilotgah... someone pls remind me what I enter to figure out my kernal version?07:47
Gattonuname -a07:47
Burgundaviajasoncohen, I happen to agree with you, but convince the powers that be07:47
jasoncohenheh, that will be hard07:48
MadpilotGatton: thnx...07:48
holycowhttp://cvs.cinelerra.org/packages.html#apt-x86  <-- cinelerra via apt07:48
holycowneato07:48
GattonMadpilot np. Finally an easy question I can answer ;)07:48
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