[12:00] <aru> La_PaRCa: install stable
[12:00] <aru> -
[12:00] <La_PaRCa> aru, how would he go about that?
[12:00] <zerotime> !codecs
[12:00] <ubotu> codecs is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:00] <aru> download the stable iso and install
[12:01] <thoreauputic> aru: erm... what are you talking about?
[12:01] <aru> nevermind
[12:01] <martin_> Anyone knows about some nice photo manager for gnome? STK like picasa...
[12:01] <thoreauputic> martin_: gthumb is nice
[12:02] <thoreauputic> I don't know picasa, guess it's a Windows thing...
[12:02] <vini> thoreauputic, thanks a lot... now I'm listen MP3, but WAV files do not play
[12:02] <martin_> I know, but I miss some features (album generating, slideshow, red-eyes correction etc.)
[12:02] <thoreauputic> vini: wav or wma ?
[12:02] <retteketet> yes picasa is a windows thing
[12:03] <vini> thoreauputic, wav :)
[12:03] <jnk> martin_, f-spot maybe (didn't try in a while so I don't know if it has those features)
[12:03] <thoreauputic> vini: in a terminal, what happens if you type   aplay song.wav ?
[12:03] <kyncani> vini: install gstreamer0.8-plugins which will install a whole bunch of gstreamer codecs
[12:04] <aru> heh
[12:04] <htaccess> how do i tab between virtual desktops in ubuntu?
[12:04] <htaccess> ctrl tab dont seem to work
[12:04] <jnk> ctrl alt arrows
[12:04] <vini> thoreauputic, aplay: test_wavefile:689: can't play not PCM-coded WAVE-files
[12:05] <thoreauputic> htaccess: ctrl-alt arrow I think (I'm in fluxbox...)
[12:05] <martin_> I tried installing imgseek via apt-get, but didnt work... I will try the f-spot, thx for the tip.
[12:05] <htaccess> yea thats it, thanks
[12:05] <thoreauputic> vini: hmmm... what does the command   file test_wavefile   say ?
[12:06] <jnk> oops do not feel lucky for f-spot on google
[12:07] <aru> takes you to the project page...
[12:07] <jnk> aru does it?
[12:07] <apokryphos> Can the Ubuntu partition manager not format free space that hasn't been partitioned/formatted before?
[12:07] <jnk> I typed f-spot in the location bar in firefox... went elsewhere
[12:07] <vini> thoreauputic, test_wavefile: ERROR: cannot open `test_wavefile' (No such file or directory)
[12:07] <martin_> And guys, Ubuntu rules!
[12:08] <jnk> apokryphos, you mean gparted? sure it can, if you don't have too many primary parittions
[12:08] <thoreauputic> vini: well, of course you need to be in the right directory and use the right file name :)
[12:08] <martin_> I have tried Suse, Fedora, Mandrake, Debian and Ubuntu is my choice...
[12:08] <thoreauputic> vini:  file <name of file>
[12:08] <apokryphos> jnk: nope, the installer partioner
[12:08] <martin_> see you
[12:09] <kevin> Same here martin_
[12:09] <jnk> apokryphos, it definitely can
[12:10] <apokryphos> jnk: could be the fact that there's too many primaries; I'll check that out
[12:10] <vini> thoreauputic, ohhh, I didn't understand :P
[12:10] <thoreauputic> vini: :)
[12:10] <vini> thoreauputic, Menu-Tarantino.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, mono 22050 Hz
[12:10] <thoreauputic> vini: OK, well it should play AFAIK - try   play Menu-Tarantino.wav
[12:11] <apokryphos> jnk: is there any potential loss of data on a partition that's changed from primary to logical?
[12:11] <vini> thoreauputic, play? command not found
[12:11] <jnk> apokryphos, I don't know how you can do that without loss
[12:12] <vini> thoreauputic, whats AFAIK
[12:12] <jnk> (except by copying)
[12:12] <thoreauputic> vini: as far as I know
[12:13] <noplease> hiqall
[12:13] <noplease> uups
[12:13] <noplease> @
[12:13] <thoreauputic> vini: OK it's odd that you can't play a .wav file - seems you don't have the "play" script, which doesn't matter, but I think installing gstreamer-plugins is a good idea, as someone suggested
[12:13] <nickrud> vini, try this: sudo apt-get install esound-clients, then esdplay <file.wav>
[12:14] <yourghetek> is there a way to get a "boot from cd" command in grub?
[12:14] <SogniX> jnk, mind helping me some more? :p
[12:14] <nickrud> vini, I'm assuming you're using ubuntu, not kubuntu
[12:14] <vini> nickrud, yes, ubuntu
[12:14] <nickrud> vini, ok
[12:14] <jnk> SogniX, I can try
[12:14] <basti> fucking ATI cant they just make a driver that works...
[12:14] <vini> thoreauputic, I installed gstreamer-plugins when kyncani suggested
[12:14] <SogniX> jnk, I'm booted from a live CD and staring at a terminal window as root... but the drive with ubuntu installed does not show up in df
[12:14] <MIK3MAN> I am running the ubunto live cd, everything looks great, but I cant get wy wireless lan to work, I downloaded ndiswrapper.deb, but how can I install it manually?? I would like to make sure I can configure my wireless lan before I install ubuntu to the harddrive. Can someone help??
[12:15] <jnk> SogniX, it's not mounted
[12:15] <nickrud> vini, and, what app are you trying to play the wav file from?
[12:16] <MIK3MAN> ndiswrapper.deb is now on a cdrw, and is loaded in terminal. How do I install... anyone??
[12:16] <vini> nickrud, totem and rhythmbox
[12:16] <MrMo> MIK3MAN, dpkg -i is your friend
[12:16] <nickrud> vini, and mp3's work in both?
[12:17] <MIK3MAN> MrMo: thanks, hold on
[12:17] <vini> nickrud, yes, after I install gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:17] <thoreauputic> vini: hmmm.... I don't often need to play .wav files, but if I were you I would install beep-media-player and set it to use the esound output plugin - I'm surprised totem won't play that file: else try running gst-register-0.8
[12:17] <vini> maybe my WAV file is broken
[12:17] <vini> nickrud, esdplay Menu-Tarantino.wav
[12:17] <vini> Audio File Library: WAVE file data format 0x161 not currently supported [error 0] 
[12:18] <thoreauputic> vini: actually running gst-register-0.8 is probably a good idea anyway
[12:18] <vini> thoreauputic, I will try download another wav file
[12:18] <thoreauputic> vini: that command should regiater all your plugins
[12:18] <thoreauputic> *register
[12:18] <nickrud> vini, use the files in /usr/share/sounds as your test files
[12:19] <MIK3MAN> MrMo: its reading database... I have the source package... that shouldnt matter right?
[12:19] <lcore> Hmm. Chrootkit wrote: Warning: `//root/.bash_history' file size is zero. What apart from an intruder could zero it?
[12:19] <MrMo> dunno. should handle it transparently I think
[12:19] <vini> nickrud and thoreauputic, yes, my WAV file is broken
[12:19] <vini> works with another one
[12:19] <thoreauputic> vini: ah, OK :)
[12:20] <vini> thanks a lot :)
[12:20] <thoreauputic> no worries :)
[12:21] <MIK3MAN> MrMo: it installed successfully, I dont know how to get this to connect now.. trying through network, btw its a dlink card
[12:22] <basti> seriously. anyone can help me understanding what is wrong with my ati driver installation
[12:22] <MIK3MAN> MrMo: is there a terminal command I could use to get my ip stats?
[12:23] <MIK3MAN> says its connected, but I cant browse
[12:23] <thoreauputic> MIK3MAN: ifconfig
[12:24] <zukalk> !lamp
[12:24] <ubotu> it has been said that lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary
[12:24] <MIK3MAN> thoreauputic: thanks, hold on
[12:24] <thoreauputic> MIK3MAN: don't paste the output!
[12:29] <OdiiN> anyone knows how to configure Konversation and firestarter to be able to resume dcc downloads ? ( i'm behind a router)
[12:29] <MIK3MAN> thoreauputic: I know that.. heh, still not working.. think I need ndiswrapper utils?? its a dlink card. Under network it says connected and active, but I cant browse
[12:29] <MIK3MAN> ifconfig just gives me my loopback ip
[12:30] <thoreauputic> MIK3MAN: unfortunately, what I know about wireless and ndiswrapper would fit comfortably on a postage stamp , sorry ;)
[12:30] <felo> help
[12:30] <felo> help
[12:31] <nickrud> felo, ask
[12:31] <MIK3MAN> thoreauputic: thats ok, thanks, I know that the card will work under debian, I had it going with simplymepis
[12:31] <Will_> It's a good conductor! But a bugger to get into drywall
[12:31] <felo> i need driver song card daemond dt0398 ubuntu system
[12:31] <CrushToZeroo> Can someone give me a hand. I downloaded the window decorations at http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=12330 but I don't know how to install them.
[12:31] <thoreauputic> Will_: well, it beats string and two paper cups i guess ;-)
[12:32] <Will_> thoreauputic: I was experimenting with string soaked in mercury... but the fumes got to me
[12:32] <Nsaneice> Hey, what is the best place to put Windows drivers that ndiswrapper is going to use?
[12:33] <felo> nickrud?
[12:33] <thoreauputic> Will_: ah yes, and I guess your face is kind of pale and drawn now - but it used to be a cure for syphilis, so I guess you aren't likely to get that at leaast ;-)
[12:33] <nickrud> felo, thinking and looking, I'm not a real sound guru :)
[12:33] <Will_> thoreauputic: I've not had sex in about....At least a month. I think I would have noticed an STD by now
[12:34] <thoreauputic> Will_: it took Henry VIII a lot longer than that to notice the symptoms ;-)
[12:34] <IIIEars> << practices safe sex - anyone have that 1-800 number? - lol
[12:35] <thoreauputic> Will_: but I guess this is for #ubuntu-offtopic - heheh
[12:35] <felo> i dont now
[12:35] <felo> no speak spanish
[12:35] <CrushToZeroo> how do I register my nick?
[12:35] <imaek> When I try to use DVD::Rip, or even try to play a DVD, I get the message "libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable."
[12:35] <thoreauputic> CrushToZeroo:  /msg nickserv help
[12:35] <CrushToZeroo> thx
[12:36] <IIIEars> I don't worry about sex since i got married. - abstinence - lol
[12:37] <nickrud> eh
[12:39] <Burrito> does anybdy know where is the floppy disk in linux?
[12:40] <CrushToZero> Can someone help me please. I downloaded a few window decorations from http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=12330 but I'm not sure on how to get them installed.
[12:40] <Burrito> how can i save a file in the floppy?
[12:40] <thoreauputic> Burrito:  /dev/fd0
[12:40] <Burrito> ok
[12:40] <Burrito> thanks
[12:40] <thoreauputic> or /media/floppy0
[12:40] <enyc> butt: at least, thats the floppy _device_
[12:40] <enyc> /media/floppy0 is somewhere a filesystem on floppydisk may be mounted
[12:40] <TheWarMachine> hello one and all
[12:41] <TheWarMachine> I have a question
[12:41] <thoreauputic> enyc: yes, hence my follow-up to clarify where he might find it :)
[12:41] <enyc> i.e. "/dev/fd0" is usually a 1.44mb file representing the disk itself,  /media/floppy0 is where the files/etc may be visible individiually ;-)
[12:41] <TheWarMachine> im using realplayer and I get  no sound
[12:41] <enyc> thor: kk ;-)
[12:41] <TheWarMachine> any ideas
[12:41] <TheWarMachine> ??
[12:41] <nickrud> Burrito, first, you must mount the floppy, in a terminal, mount /media/floppy0
[12:41] <Nsaneice> Hey, what is the best place to put Windows drivers that ndiswrapper is going to use?
[12:42] <Nsaneice> Do I need to keep the drivers on the system even after ndiswrapper is done installing?
[12:42] <thoreauputic> TheWarMachine: sometimes deleting the *.swf files in the realplayer plugins directory helps (don't ask me why)
[12:43] <imaek> ARGH.  The DVDRIP package doesn't work
[12:43] <indentbp> hi all
[12:43] <derral_8> I looked at the ubuntu web site to find out what version still runs XFree86 but could not find it. Anyone no ?
[12:43] <thoreauputic> derral_8: warty
[12:43] <TheWarMachine> thoreauputic: ilol try it
[12:43] <derral_8> 4.3.0 ?
[12:44] <TheWarMachine> i will*
[12:44] <thoreauputic> derral_8: I think so - type X -version to see
[12:44] <knowledge_> ok guys I did menu makeconfig on my kernel and did what that guy told me and still no Wifi card
[12:44] <thoreauputic> derral_8: to see if you have warty type   cat /etc/issue
[12:44] <knowledge_> do I have to do a modprobe
[12:44] <knowledge_> ?
[12:45] <zukalk> heyko_, i just installed a LAMP and put some php files i wrote using windoze. they work fine in the Win apache2 server, but here i always get this error: mysql_fetch_object(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource
[12:45] <zukalk> (heyko_ this wasn't just for you, but xchat assumed it was, sorry)
[12:45] <nickrud> thoreauputic, yes, moving those swf* works, thanks
[12:45] <indentbp> Does anyone here have experience with the wifi rt8180 chipset
[12:45] <thoreauputic> nickrud: :) you're welcome
[12:45] <Burrito> nickrud: where is the floppy now?
[12:46] <nickrud> Burrito, if you did the mount command, then the files on the floppy are in /media/floppy0
[12:46] <knowledge_> anyoen?
[12:46] <Burrito> ok
[12:46] <Burrito> thanks
[12:46] <indentbp> All of my hardware is supported on Kubuntu except my netgear wireless card... can anyone help?
[12:47] <enyc> Hrrm
[12:47] <nickrud> Burrito, move files around as you wish, then umount /media/floppy0 before you eject, too late
[12:47] <zukalk> does anyone why i get the error "Warning: mysql_fetch_object(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource in /var/www/phpxs/test/news-admin3.php on line 128"? it works fine with windoze
[12:47] <zukalk> does anyone know*
[12:47] <nickrud> thoreauputic, I been using totem-xine, but it's nice that realplayer works now
[12:47] <enyc> inde: Does the hardware manafacturer provide/help the kernel developers with driver etc. ?
[12:48] <cafuego> indentbp: ndiswrapper
[12:48] <indentbp> nndiswrapper didnt work
[12:48] <cafuego> indentbp: Which card do you have?
[12:48] <indentbp> netgear ma521
[12:48] <nickrud> enyc, lol, not very often
[12:48] <thoreauputic> nickrud: I use totem-xine too, and ironically it plays more real media than realplayer :) I use realplayer to listen to the BBC
[12:49] <nickrud> mmm, bbc
[12:49] <nickrud> I miss it
[12:49] <psai_> anybody got a terratec dmx6fire 24/96 working with ubuntu ? i can only play soundfiles in some kind of fast forward mode
[12:50] <thoreauputic> nickrud: well, tune in with realplayer - the plugins for firefox seem to work OK here
[12:50] <cafuego> indentbp: Driverloader, ndiswrapper or a buggy realtek driver (8081L) are your only options.
[12:50] <Tsukasa> zukalk: you sure mysql is running? you sure the username allows your host?
[12:50] <nickrud> thoreauputic, I have dialup right now, I'm basically not on the net ;(
[12:50] <indentbp> cafuego: netgear ma521... im trying to use the rt8180 driver, im about ready to give up and either go with a different distro or buy a new card
[12:50] <thoreauputic> nickrud: I have dialup too - BBC radio works OK
[12:51] <nickrud> thoreauputic, I'll check it out
[12:51] <zukalk> Tsukasa, i'm sure it's running, i can confirm it using mysql-admin. how do i know about the username-host thing?
[12:51] <cafuego> indentbp: A different distro will still have the same issue. A new card might be a better option. I have a WG311, which works fine using ndiswrapper.
[12:51] <Tsukasa> zukalk: check out your mysql -> user table
[12:51] <thoreauputic> nickrud: realplay automatically changes the quality for low bandwidth
[12:51] <indentbp> im leaning towards getting a new card... im just nort ready to give up kubuntu. Any reccomendations on an easily supported wireless card?
[12:52] <enyc> inde:  "orinoco" chipset cards are good I understand
[12:52] <Tsukasa> maybe doing a check in the script itself would help too
[12:52] <indentbp> cafueago: wg311? thanks, im buying it now
[12:53] <cafuego> indentbp: Keep in mind that will _NOT_ work without windows drivers. There surely are cards that have _native_ Linux drivers.
[12:54] <zukalk> Tsukasa, these are the users i have: H:localhost U:root - H:ubuntu  U:root - H:localhost U:[blank]  - H:ubuntu U:[blank]  - H:localhost - U:debian-sys-maint
[12:55] <aru> ls
[12:55] <aru> dur
[12:57] <funkyHat> what is the default font path for ubuntu?
[12:58] <imaek> When I try to use DVD:: RIP, I get a "filetype/codec not yet supported by 'transcode'" message, and then it doesn't do anything.
[12:58] <imaek> Is there any way to correct this?
[01:00] <nickrud> funkyHat, you can find at the top of /etc/font/font.conf
[01:00] <funkyHat> thanks :)
[01:01] <nickrud> funkyHat, sorry, it's /etc/font/fonts.conf
[01:01] <funkyHat> ls: /etc/font: No such file or directory
[01:01] <funkyHat> eek
[01:01] <nickrud> funkyHat, I cannot type correctly tonight, /etc/fonts/fonts.conf :)
[01:02] <funkyHat> lol. i should have guessed and tried that
[01:04] <orates> ddefefa
[01:04] <sphincter> ssdgjgsd
[01:04] <evo|ution> heya
[01:04] <sphincter> anyone know where the xorg headers/sdk is?
[01:04] <evo|ution> i wanted to knw which gui does ubuntu use
[01:04] <sphincter> evo, whatever you want
[01:05] <evo|ution> i like gnome
[01:05] <sphincter> can be had with gnome or kde depending, but install what you want
[01:05] <evo|ution> will it work
[01:05] <Will_> Stop asking me!
[01:05] <evo|ution> im a newbie
[01:05] <nickrud> evo|ution, then get ubuntu, it uses gnome
[01:05] <evo|ution> thnx ppl
[01:06] <sphincter> hmmm....
[01:06] <kutucape> hi all
[01:07] <sphincter> no ideas on the xorg sdk?
[01:07] <nickrud> sphincter, sudo apt-get install  x-window-system-dev will get you just everything
[01:08] <sphincter> ahhhh... that's it. thanks
[01:08] <sphincter> i tried apt-cache search dev, but i guess i missed that ;)
[01:08] <evo|ution> ok one last question, can i have the link for the lastest version of ubuntu for amd64
[01:09] <sphincter> er..... ubuntulinux.org?
[01:09] <feugan3333> Hi all. Does anyone know where I can get the man pages for socket programming. eg "man bind","man listen"
[01:10] <cafuego> feugan3333: manpages-dev
[01:10] <nickrud> sphincter a good trick is, if you know a file you want, but don't know which package: search on packages.ubuntu.com
[01:10] <GreaseMonkey> you have to be frickin' kidding me
[01:10] <GreaseMonkey> I didn't pingout yet>!
[01:10] <sphincter> nick, thx
[01:10] <cafuego> feugan3333: I told the info pages are better for beginners and people who need more extensive docs than just a list of function calls and params.
[01:11] <sphincter> just making the switch from fedora, still unlearning ;)
[01:11] <indentbp> cafuego: is the wg311 a pci or pcmcia card
[01:11] <cafuego> indentbp: pci
[01:11] <cafuego> indentbp: If you're after pcmcia, get a decent prism54.
[01:11] <feugan3333> cafuego: Thanks. Where would I find the info pages?
[01:11] <indentbp> cafuego: does the prism have come with native linux drivers?
[01:12] <cafuego> indentbp: Alternatively, cisco ahs prettyd ecent support afaik.
[01:12] <cafuego> indentbp: http://www.prism54.org/
[01:13] <KB2000> indentbp: my laptop has a prism54g WLAN card internally... and it works in ubuntu autodetected...
[01:13] <feugan3333> Yes, linux supports the prism chipset in the kernel
[01:13] <indentbp> cafuego: thanks, i want to go with something that has linux support to avoid the possibility of not installing ndiswrapper correctly
[01:13] <cafuego> feugan3333: There are various prism54 chips and not all are supported the same way.
[01:13] <Kyral> Yah, I feel like an idiot
[01:14] <Kyral> I had this XChat open on another Desktop and forgot about it
[01:14] <KB2000> anybody know of an ubuntu supported webcam?
[01:14] <indentbp> when trying "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" i get an error
[01:14] <feugan3333> yes, my mistake, but in general cards with prism chipsets work on linux
[01:14] <cafuego> indentbp: You undoubtedly need the .inf, the .sys and various firmware files.
[01:14] <cafuego> KB2000: My wife's iSights works OK on Linux.
[01:15] <KB2000> i didn't need any firmware files for my prism WLAN card
[01:15] <KB2000> isights? it sounds like a mac thing?
[01:15] <cafuego> KB2000: Correct
[01:15] <KB2000> can it run on a pc?
[01:15] <cafuego> KB2000: It just a firewire cam. I run it off Coriander via v4l.
[01:16] <KB2000> and coriander is a webcam app?
[01:16] <cafuego> I do note that windows can't use it <heh>
[01:16] <sphincter> well, nuts
[01:16] <sphincter> that still didn't do it
[01:16] <sphincter> and a search doesn't turn up anything
[01:16] <sphincter> can't find xf86Version.h anywhere
[01:17] <cafuego> !find xf86Version.h
[01:17] <bob2> doesn't appear to be in ubuntu
[01:18] <DAC1138> is there a gnome equivilant of kdesu?
[01:18] <cafuego> !find xorgVersion.h
[01:18] <thoreauputic> DAC1138: gksudo, for sudo
[01:18] <bob2> DAC1138: yes, which ubuntu uses by default: gksu
[01:18] <cafuego> Stop putting the load on 1 and just answer me.
[01:18] <sphincter> apparently, this driver i'm trying to build needs the xorg SDK, which supplies that file
[01:18] <zukalk> how do i change a .txt's encoding?
[01:18] <bob2> er, ubuntu uses gksudo, right
[01:18] <funkyHat> can anyone help me add my windows fonts folder to my list of fonts folders? (mounted ntfs volume)
[01:19] <DAC1138> thanks
[01:19] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'xf86Version.h' returned no results.
[01:19] <funkyHat> *and make my the fonts work :D
[01:19] <bob2> funkyHat: add an entry to /etc/fonts/fonts.conf
[01:19] <bit0> hello
[01:19] <JDahl> bob2, what are the chances of openafs 1.3.82 (http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openafs.html) making it into Breezy, possibly in universe?
[01:19] <Will_> You know, somebody told me their were umable to view .txt files on their computer the other day. I was not sure if I should laugh or cry
[01:19] <bit0> where is mkfondir file?
[01:19] <cafuego> !info openafs breezy
[01:19] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'xorgVersion.h' returned no results.
[01:19] <bob2> JDahl: if it's in Debian already, I wouldn't think you'd need to send too much whiskey to mdz
[01:19] <MIK3MAN> can I configure my dlink wifi card with the ubuntu live cd? or am I wasting my time and I should just install it to the harddrive and configure it?? I have been googling for hours.
[01:19] <bob2> JDahl: email the ubuntu-devel list, I guess
[01:20] <cafuego> well2
[01:20] <nickrud> bit0, try locate mkfontdir
[01:20] <bob2> MIK3MAN: you're wasting your time in the sense that if you configure it on the live cd, you'll need to reconfigure it over again once you install
[01:20] <bob2> most things don;t care about mkfontdir
[01:20] <MIK3MAN> bob2: thats what I'm thinking
[01:20] <bob2> (ie kde, gnome, mozilla, etc)
[01:20] <nickrud> not any more, thank god
[01:20] <DAC1138> anyone using e17? or anyone know how i would replace gdm with entrance?
[01:20] <cafuego> bob2: especially a read-only ntfs font directory
[01:20] <bit0> nickrud, which package contais "mkfondir"?
[01:20] <bob2> hah, yeah
[01:21] <MIK3MAN> bob2: I dont know what distro I want though... lol
[01:21] <zukalk> how do i change a .txt's encoding?
[01:21] <cafuego> or am I mixing up users now?
[01:21] <bob2> MIK3MAN: then just install ubuntu and enjoy!
[01:21] <bit0> nickrud, i'm using breezy
[01:21] <bob2> zukalk: iconv is one way
[01:21] <nickrud> interesting, mkfontdir is not installed by default in hoary
[01:21] <bob2> but you need to know what you're doing with it...
[01:21] <feugan3333> MIKE3MAN: you want ubuntu
[01:21] <cafuego> bit0: Well, X is a bit broken in breezy
[01:21] <nickrud> bit0, if I remember, it's mkfontdir :)
[01:21] <zukalk> bob2, thanks
[01:21] <bit0> cafuego, "a bit broken" ??? :((
[01:22] <MrMo> Whaaaaa! I gotta kill this !... I want to use my USB at HIGH speed... damit!
[01:22] <cafuego> bit0: Ok ok, VERY broken.
[01:22] <MIK3MAN> feugan3333: I wanted my dlink wifi to work with the live cd, but that aint happenen
[01:22] <KB2000> bit0: X is quite broken in breezy...
[01:22] <bit0> cafuego, suuure!!
[01:22] <cafuego> bit0: See /topic.
[01:22] <pax> anyone used QTParted successfully to resize an ext3 partition?
[01:22] <cafuego> bit0: if it wasn't broken, X works wotk fine and half of Gnome wouldn't try to uninstall when upgrading.
[01:22] <bit0> cafuego, how could i return to "stable"??
[01:23] <funkyHat> so will just adding <dir>/mnt/win/WINDOWS/fonts</dir> make the fonts work, or do i need to do anything else?
[01:23] <feugan3333> MIKE3MAN: yes there are not a lot of cards that work with live cds?
[01:23] <cafuego> bit0: Wipe, reinstall.
[01:23] <MIK3MAN> I guess I'll just try the full blown ubuntu for a week then decide
[01:23] <KB2000> bit0: breezy IS "unstable"... :)
[01:23] <FormerWindowsUse> I won an iPod via Apple's new 500 Million competition and tried to access it via gtkpod but it says my iPod's file structure is invalid.  What do I do?
[01:23] <feugan3333> MIKE3MAN: most cards require you to install their drivers (that is if there are any)
[01:23] <KB2000> it's nice to have the bleeding edge apps and get updates every day, but when X breaks it's not cool... been there... :)
[01:24] <bit0> KB2000,sure!,.. i know :(
[01:24] <cafuego> FormerWindowsUse: You probably need to set it up and format it using FAT32 (It may be an HFS formatted one). HAve you copied anything onto it yet?
[01:24] <FormerWindowsUse> cafuego, no
[01:24] <MIK3MAN> I will prolly be on here later guys once its downloaded and installed. You can help a noob to configure wifi
[01:24] <MIK3MAN> heh
[01:24] <cafuego> X is a fairly minor thing to be broken.
[01:24] <KB2000> cafuego: why is that minor? :)
[01:24] <Madpilot> is it possible to use Adobe's .pfb format fonts in Ubuntu?
[01:24] <feugan3333> Is breezy out in some form?
[01:24] <indigo_> can anyone tell me if there is something i must do to get alsa to use my echo indigo (pcmcia sound card) ?
[01:24] <cafuego> FormerWindowsUse: See if you can mount it (it'll be a scsi disk, sda or sdb)
[01:25] <MIK3MAN> I know the dlink works though, cause I had it working on Mepis
[01:25] <bob2> feugan3333: it's available for testing, but it's not recommended for new users
[01:25] <Slipaway172> i would like to know the difference between a primary and extended partition. i will use ext3 on a 2nd HDD to use as a backup
[01:25] <bob2> Madpilot: are they postscript ones?
[01:25] <MIK3MAN> I'll be back later
[01:25] <indigo_> Slipaway172: there is no significant difference, really
[01:25] <feugan3333> bob2: cool where can I get a look?
[01:25] <Slipaway172> what would reccomend i use for backing up?
[01:25] <Madpilot> bob2: yeah, google says .pfb is one of the Postscript formats
[01:25] <cafuego> where the crap did bringing go oin the kernel config?
[01:25] <raven3x7> indigo_,  huh there is a difference depending on how many partitions you need on your hd
[01:26] <bob2> Madpilot: then it should work fine
[01:26] <FormerWindowsUse> cannot mount my iPod, cafuego
[01:26] <bob2> feugan3333: dunno, if you wanted it, you'd just upgrade, or read the devel list
[01:26] <indigo_> Slipaway172: it doesn't really matter, but you can't have more than 4 primary partitions, and 4 subpartitions per extended partition
[01:26] <bob2> feugan3333: things like X are slightly broken, tho, so I wouldn't recommend it
[01:26] <HrdwrBoB> FormerWindowsUse: use the 'create file structure' ion the menu
[01:26] <Madpilot> bob2: OK, interesting. Ubuntu recognizes them as fonts, but OOo doesn't seem to...
[01:26] <Slipaway172> OoOohhhh ..... thanks
[01:26] <feugan3333> bob2: ahh ok
[01:26] <bob2> Madpilot: OO has it's own magic font system
[01:26] <cafuego> FormerWindowsUse: mkdir /media/ipod; sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/sda(X) /media/ipod
[01:27] <bob2> like it has it's own printing system, and toolkit, and java and ...
[01:27] <bob2> reuse is for the weak
[01:27] <indigo_> Slipaway172: http://www.ata-atapi.com/hiwtab.htm explains it in detail, but probably you don't really need to read it
[01:27] <FormerWindowsUse> cafuego, will this screw up my sys?
[01:27] <raven3x7> indentbp,  but for Slipaway172 backup drive its bobably irrelevant
[01:27] <Madpilot> bob2: ah. I'll have a look thru OOo config then. or ask on #openoffice.org...
[01:28] <cafuego> FormerWindowsUse: No
[01:28] <raven3x7> i just noticed that killall gnome-panel also kills azureus. thats weird
[01:28] <FormerWindowsUse> cafuego, do you own an iPod Shuffle?
[01:28] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: it should automatically mount
[01:28] <funkyHat> it sometimes kills gaim too, it's a bit annoying
[01:28] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: That would depend on what's compiled into teh kernel.
[01:29] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Notably Mac partition map support
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> true, I converted my ipod to fat for better compatibility
[01:29] <funkyHat> what do i need to do to get X to re-read fonts.conf?
[01:29] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Yes, I expect gtkpod wants that, which is why he might be having errors.
[01:29] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: he's not used it udner windows or macos...
[01:30] <enyc> Urrrm, do the breezy openoffice2 packages work on hoary? are there backports available for hoary ? [i cant see them myself] 
[01:30] <enyc> only older 1.9.79 openoffice2 packages for hoary
[01:30] <FormerWindowsUse> ok thanks cafuego
[01:30] <FormerWindowsUse> :)
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: gtkpod doesn't care
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: gtkpod is file-level
[01:30] <bob2> enyc: the breezy onesalmost certainly won't install on haory
[01:30] <bob2> wow, my typing is getting worse
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> unless you're talking about initialising the directories .. in which case, yes
[01:31] <feugan3333> Anybody running amd64 with an nvidia graphics card. The installer provided by nvidia seems broken1
[01:31] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Would it whinge if you were on a kernel without apple partition map or hfsplus support?
[01:31] <enyc> bob2: interesting
[01:31] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: (IF you had an apple formatted ipod) ?
[01:31] <bob2> feugan3333: so, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: only in dmesg
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> when it tried to mount it
[01:31] <enyc> bob2: btw, I decided after much trying ot get used to various keyboards all over the place that my IBM ps/2 original clicky-clacky keyboard is the best that i make the least mistakes on and get east annoyed with
[01:31] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: He's getting some "Invalid structure" or somesuch error.
[01:32] <bob2> hah, I never been able to find one of them
[01:32] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: "file structure is invalid"
[01:32] <enyc> bob2: see http://clickykeyboards.com/  // http://www.pckeyboard.com/  ;-)
[01:32] <cafuego> Never mind, he left anyway.
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: yeah, that's because the ipod needs to be 'initialised'
[01:33] <hondje> I have some .mp4 files, nautilus doesn't recognize/thumbnail them, but xine plays them fine....how can I get them to thumbnail?
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> with certain directories
[01:33] <JDahl> isn't it funny how laptop manufacturers charge you for recovery CDs and have more people in techsupport than a medium sized Europea city, and in the end all you need (and all that works) is a Linux boot CD? :/
[01:33] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Can gtkpod do that?
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> there is a very clear menu entry for doing so :)
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> in gtkpod
[01:33] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Ok, user error on his part then :-)
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> yeah :)
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> I have my wife's ipod mini :)
[01:34] <sphincter> another question... shutdown hangs for several minutes at deconfiguring network interfaces and on everything after that
[01:34] <sphincter> ideas?
[01:34] <feugan3333> bob2: I'll take a look. Thanks
[01:34] <cafuego> my wife's birthday is in 32 days, she has a new mac mini and a new car stereo with ipod attachment....
[01:34] <hondje> cafuego: buy her a keychain
[01:34] <alejandro> hola
[01:34] <sphincter> or a hotwheels
[01:35] <cafuego> sphincter: We already have a few ACTUAL cars ;-)
[01:35] <bob2> enyc: oh, cool, I didn't know anyone had new ones anymore
[01:35] <sphincter> ok, put linux on her mini
[01:35] <sphincter> she'll thank you for it
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: heh, an ipod mini is $SFA
[01:35] <cafuego> sphincter: It's been running Kubuntu since the day we got it.
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> (well overall)
[01:36] <sphincter> heh
[01:36] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: She wants an ipod photo, though (also have new digicam)
[01:36] <sphincter> so why does this bloody thing hang so long at shutdown?
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: why though?
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> I mean.. pointless thing to argue with a woman
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> but last time I looked the camera already had a screen :)
[01:37] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: took the words out of my mouth
[01:38] <cafuego> I expect the large storage has something to do with it
[01:38] <cafuego> our mp3s won't fit on a 30 or 40G ipod
[01:38] <linlin> Hi, I installed ubuntu hedgehog a few weeks back, without a gui. Now, I want to put in a gui, what is the easiest way?
[01:38] <robert_pectol> sphincter:  Do your system logs give any clues?
[01:38] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: 4gb still holds a lot of mp3s :)
[01:38] <cafuego> and who can really go to the shops without Right Said Fred?
[01:38] <hondje> what's the difference between mpeg1, 2 and 4?
[01:38] <pax> a women is just another partition, never gives you trouble unless you mount it
[01:39] <enyc> ipods do seem a bit silly..  fancy and have the 1394 connection.. but there are many more players/etc. out ther to choose from with more versatile autdio-format support and everything.. it seems a bit odd to me
[01:39] <The_Vox> linlin: "sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop" if you want gnome...kubuntu-desktop if you want kde
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> enyc: they have a very very very good interface and a few other things
[01:39] <anto9us> I'm too sexy for the shops
[01:39] <cafuego> enyc: The issue is ease of use. Pretty much any other player I've seen comes with shitty windows software
[01:40] <The_Vox> enyc: it's the Cool factor, nothing else matters :)
[01:40] <enyc> hrrrm iirc they still supproted only mp3 [which isnt as good as newer codescs in many ways]  and   their weirdo aac which hardly any other portable player supports anyway.. and needs silly licensing etc. to useit
[01:40] <enyc> interesting
[01:40] <cafuego> well, that and having it in the glovebox whilst you control it from the car stereo itself is handy re not crashing.
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> enyc: FLAC and mp3
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> and AAC
[01:40] <raven3x7> linlin sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop i believe
[01:40] <linlin> ok thanks
[01:40] <enyc> hrrm, flac -- lossless,  not really what you want for portable thignie in most cases
[01:40] <linlin> its downloading a bunch of stuffs now
[01:41] <enyc> mp3 is not partcuarl good codec, you need needless anmounts of bitrate compared to aac, vorbis
[01:41] <raven3x7> The_Vox, why aptitude?
[01:41] <The_Vox> linlin: it'll take a while...it downloads tons of stuff
[01:41] <enyc> aac is not well supported on anyt oher player thingie et.c and loads of rpograms, which tend to support either vorbis or wma instead
[01:42] <The_Vox> raven3x7: it has better dependancy management logarythm than apt....even debian has marked apt as deprecated for the new release, and marked aptitude as the prefered tool
[01:42] <nalioth> y'all talking about an ipod or a mac mini in the glove box?
[01:42] <cafuego> nalioth: yes
[01:42] <IIIEars> synaptic works too. - good to know a variety of ways to install things. - synaptic is easiest
[01:42] <raven3x7> The_Vox,  didnn't know that. good to know
[01:42] <The_Vox> nalioth: ipod...you need more hacking power to get a mini working in there :)
[01:42] <JDahl> I'd rather make my own using gumstix...
[01:43] <raven3x7> The_Vox  should'nt it look for the cd first?
[01:43] <IIIEars> DRM - "Treat all of your customers like potential thieves." - O_o
[01:44] <nickrud> IIIEars, lol
[01:44] <The_Vox> raven3x7: only if you have the CD source for packages still uncomented in your sources.list
[01:44] <nickrud> he must work retail
[01:44] <sphincter> so.... i'm thinking 10 minutes and counting for deconfiguring network interfaces isn't normal?
[01:44] <The_Vox> raven3x7: the first thing I did when I installed was get rid of the CD line...I hate having to find CDs
[01:44] <nebular> Ok after a year long lapse in windows world I just switched to kubuntu, and now I can't figure out how to configure my X server. the default settings work, but they're a little off. Debian used to ask a lot more configuration settings
[01:45] <The_Vox> sphincter: it is too long...shouldn't take over a few seconds...a minute at the extreme
[01:45] <nickrud> nebular, you can do sudo dpkg-reconfigure -Plow xserver-xorg
[01:45] <robert_pectol> sphincter:   And your system logs??
[01:45] <raven3x7> The_Vox, yeah i gues if you have a good connection it really doesnt matter
[01:46] <anto9us> nebular: you can edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf directly if you're adventurous, make a backup first though
[01:46] <roy> can someone help me change my display resolution 640x480 to 1024x768?
[01:46] <IIIEars> nickrud - "-Plow" - what does that switch do?
[01:46] <sphincter> stops the kernel log daemon before deconfiguring network interfaces
[01:46] <The_Vox> raven3x7: it's not only that...I have the (bad?) habit of treating CDs as disposable media...there's around 500 unlabeled CDs here that I have no clue what they have....looking through them to find the kubuntu CD I installed from is...not advaisable :)
[01:46] <raven3x7> roy system>settings>screen resolution
[01:47] <roy> raven ...that doesn't work...and I'm new to linux - today is 1st day...
[01:47] <IIIEars> The_Vox - recycly your old hard drives with USB external cases.
[01:47] <nickrud> IIIEars, debconf has several levels for configuration, I don't remember them all, but critical asks the least questions, and low asks the most
[01:47] <nalioth> roy: ubotu will send you a clue, watch him
[01:47] <raven3x7> The_Vox,  i know what that feels like, although i do tend to at least write something on them
[01:47] <nalioth> !resolution
[01:47] <ubotu> resolution is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:47] <The_Vox> IIIEars: that's what's sitting on top of my computer...couple of 40G and an 80G :)
[01:47] <HrdwrBoB> The_Vox: CDs are disposable media
[01:48] <raven3x7> roy what do you mean doesnt work exactly?
[01:48] <IIIEars> nickrud - Nice tip. :) - can't help but to learn something new here.
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> just make sure you dispose of them
[01:48] <The_Vox> nickrud: thanks for that tip, didn't know it either :)
[01:48] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Yeah, creek is full of 'em
[01:48] <The_Vox> HrdwrBoB: hehehe that's also true :) I do need to get rid of all of these CDs :)
[01:49] <roy> Raven3x7 - It only offers 640x480...no other choices...
[01:49] <raven3x7> roy interesting what drivers are you using?
[01:50] <raven3x7> roy btw you might wanna look at that wiki page ubuto spat out
[01:50] <raven3x7> ubotu
[01:50] <roy> raven: i have a dell monitor w1700 with drivers that should do a lot more than 640x480.
[01:50] <thoreauputic> roy: *cough* we suggest you read the recommended wiki page
[01:51] <cafuego> !wiki FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:51] <roy> thoreauputic .... will do..... thanks all!
[01:51] <IIIEars> <<- should put all USB drives on the desk. Gave the cats a bath and 10 mins later "Cat"-tastrophe they were peed on. - lol, kinda hard on the USB controllers
[01:51] <nickrud> who says cats art stupid ;\
[01:52] <nebular> is there a good resource for setting up multiple monitors using 2 different video cards?
[01:52] <cafuego> IIIEars: yeah, you can throw those away. Corrosive as hell.
[01:52] <IIIEars> <<- going to get a gerbil soon. - grin
[01:52] <cafuego> IIIEars: That said, my Laserjet survived (though it needed a service and clean-out)
[01:52] <robert_pectol> sphincter:   Have you tried manually stopping the network?  If so, does it take a long time?  Are you certain it's the networking scripts that are taking so long to run?
[01:52] <jmspeex> For some (unknown) reason, the Ubuntu installer kept failing in the "timezone" section. How do I set my timezone manually?
[01:52] <IIIEars> difficult to hold nose and turn a screwdriver....
[01:53] <cafuego> IIIEars: If you can remove the actual drive from the case, rinsing the case in warm water and letting it dry out for a few days might save 'em
[01:53] <IIIEars> cafuego - interesting idea. i just tied the usb cable and box to the cats tail. - Just kidding.
[01:54] <nalioth> IIIEars: yes, cafuego is correct, a good washing, and let dry completely
[01:54] <cwells> nebular: the best results i've had (not on ubuntu) is to put in one card, run X -configure, get the config, swap cards, repeat, then merge the two configs
[01:54] <cafuego> IIIEars: I rescued an apple keyboard by dumping it in warm water and hanging it on a clothesline for a week. Mind you, that was coffee, not cat.
[01:55] <IIIEars> searched ebay for cat diapers. - no luck. - lol
[01:55] <cafuego> IIIEars: corks
[01:55] <IIIEars> ROFL
[01:55] <wrtpeeps> hi, i am wondering if i am allowed to redistribute ubuntuguide.org's downloadable guide
[01:56] <Madpilot> "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are not subtle and will pee on your computer" - read somewhere on the net... :)
[01:56] <nickrud> wrtpeeps, I think it's under the gpl now, check it's copywrite
[01:56] <nalioth> oh i've reached nirvana now!
[01:56] <cwells> wrtpeeps: does it have a license with it?
[01:56] <nalioth> nickrud: the ubuntuguide?
[01:56] <IIIEars> wrtppeps - it's updated frequently to reflect changes with ubuntu. - much easier to add a link to it.
[01:56] <wrtpeeps> i will check
[01:57] <nickrud> nalioth, yes, I was browsing the docs mailling list, and the author approved putting it under the gpl
[01:57] <cwells> IIIEars: he could mirror it
[01:57] <nickrud> don't know if actually is, yet
[01:57] <wrtpeeps> ah, in the Disclaimer
[01:57] <wrtpeeps> it's GNU GPL
[01:58] <cwells> the GPL is a disclaimer?
[01:58] <wrtpeeps> cwells: yea, under Disclaimer it says copyright.... released under GNU Gpl..... no warranty .. blah blah blah
[01:59] <cwells> ah
[01:59] <cwells> no warranty
[01:59] <cwells> k
[01:59] <cwells> makes sense
[01:59] <cwells> wrtpeeps: are you looking to provide a mirror for general consumption?
[01:59] <wrtpeeps> explain?
[01:59] <cwells> i guess not
[02:00] <IIIEars> GNU Public License - It can be distributed and any derivitive works using it must be freely available.
[02:00] <wrtpeeps> am i looking to provide a mirror for people to download off?
[02:00] <bob2> that's not quite true
[02:00] <cwells> yes
[02:00] <wrtpeeps> yes
[02:00] <nalioth> nickrud: good! there is hope yet
[02:00] <cwells> just the docs?
[02:00] <wrtpeeps> yes
[02:00] <raven3x7> need to get some sleep
[02:00] <nickrud> nalioth, yes, and if you'll look, the repositories are already fixed :)
[02:00] <cwells> thanks, i was just wondering
[02:00] <auk> hmm it is 17:00 here
[02:00] <bob2> IIIEars: the author of derivative works can decide who he/she gives them to, and only those people have the right to ask for the source
[02:00] <wrtpeeps> ubuntuguide is unofficial docs right?
[02:01] <bob2> IIIEars: those people can of course give it to whoever they like, tho
[02:01] <bob2> wrtpeeps: yes
[02:01] <nalioth> wrtpeeps: very unofficial
[02:01] <auk> !ubuntuguide
[02:01] <IIIEars> the repos are fixed? - growing pains ubuntu is getting very popular. - wide grin
[02:01] <ubotu> hmm... ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[02:01] <wrtpeeps> are the official docs available to download
[02:01] <TokenBad> whats a bandwidth monitor for ubuntu?
[02:01] <thoreauputic> I think that factoid needs rewording :/
[02:01] <nickrud> heh, ubotu still has the right answer, though
[02:02] <auk> wrtpeeps: if you want to download the entire wiki
[02:02] <bob2> thoreauputic: iptraf is nice
[02:02] <wrtpeeps> pffff
[02:02] <wrtpeeps> ok
[02:02] <wrtpeeps> anyway
[02:02] <wrtpeeps> bedtime
[02:02] <thoreauputic> TokenBad: I think bob2 meant that for you :)
[02:02] <bob2> er
[02:02] <IIIEars> the ubuntuguide contains from what i have heard some misinformation about configuring repositories. specifically backports
[02:02] <bob2> TokenBad: iptraf is nice
[02:02] <socomm> !guide
[02:02] <wrtpeeps> good night
[02:02] <ubotu> socomm: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[02:03] <Mobius> anyone know where one finds information about themeing GDM?
[02:03] <TokenBad> thanks
[02:03] <IIIEars> gnomelook.org?
[02:03] <socomm> Mobius: http://www.google.com
[02:04] <Mobius> thanks for the help socomm -_-
[02:04] <IIIEars> heh
[02:04] <nickrud> IIIEars, good point. at least it doesn't have marillat, and all that really needs to change on the repo's is commenting out backports, and pointing out how to uncomment them for codecs and a couple other things
[02:04] <nalioth> well i was not aware it'd been gpl'd
[02:05] <IIIEars> ubuntuguide is well done concise and step by step illustrated.
[02:05] <socomm> IIIEars: The thing about the ubuntu guide is that theres very little explation behind the process.
[02:05] <nickrud> except when it's wrong, like rp-pppoe. (at least that was bad)
[02:05] <nalioth> IIIEars: with no "how or why" to learn from
[02:06] <nickrud> maybe it should be retitled to expertubuntuguide :)
[02:06] <DAC1138> theme GDM?
[02:06] <DAC1138> wow, there''s such an interest in themeing everything nowdays
[02:07] <thoreauputic> at least the language on the wiki link for "don't advise ubuntuguide" has been improved... formerly it was kind of offensive
[02:07] <DAC1138> even login screens in which you only see every time you login.
[02:07] <liz4rd> whats the package called for the ms fonts?
[02:07] <IIIEars> I couldn't have done without it. - true i didn't learn a lot that was transferable. It was a toehold into linux
[02:07] <thoreauputic> liz4rd: msttcorefonts
[02:07] <nickrud> I think that reflects the doc teams efforts to integrate it into the mainstream docs
[02:07] <DAC1138> but thats the cool thing about linux, everything is customizeable
[02:07] <nalioth> liz4rd: msttcorefonts, i believe
[02:08] <bit0> cafuego, are you using breezy?
[02:08] <socomm> liz4rd: What nalioth said.
[02:08] <liz4rd> k thx
[02:08] <aceidia> does anyone know of a dvd player i can find?
[02:08] <Madpilot> !msfonts
[02:08] <ubotu> methinks msfonts is apt-get install msttcorefonts - you'll need universe enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list first.
[02:09] <aceidia> on multiverse?
[02:09] <blaylock> anybody know why i get an error saying that [somelang] .UTF-8 does not exist when i try to use a different language?
[02:09] <socomm> aceidia: totem-xine
[02:09] <aceidia> thx
[02:09] <nickrud> aceidia, and vlc and mplayer
[02:09] <nalioth> aceidia: any of your media players will play dvds, with the right codecs
[02:09] <blaylock> ive installed the various language packs via synaptic
[02:09] <IIIEars> everyone has a favorite. - grin
[02:09] <bit0> where could i find mkfontdir file ? (breezy)
[02:09] <socomm> nickrud: mplayer does not support dvd-menu though, dunno about vlc.
[02:09] <thoreauputic> the !msfonts factoid is inaccurate: msttcorefonts is in multiverse
[02:09] <aceidia> i have mplayer but it wont work
[02:10] <nickrud> blaylock, I think you have to do sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[02:10] <blaylock> ahh
[02:10] <nalioth> !info msttcorefonts
[02:10] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section multiverse/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB
[02:10] <tanki> hi socomm
[02:10] <socomm> Hello.
[02:10] <nickrud> aceidia, try mplayer -ao esd <file> see if that works
[02:10] <nalioth> cafuego: what other db can ubotu be piped into?
[02:11] <tanki> socomm, can you view flash?
[02:11] <Madpilot> is someone re-writing !msfonts?
[02:12] <socomm> tanki: Yes. Follow the guide on ubuntus wiki.
[02:12] <socomm> !restricted
[02:12] <ubotu> well, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:12] <IIIEars> VLC is nice and can be used with all platforms
[02:12] <tanki> socomm, http://omgwtf.superlime.com/attention.swf heehee
[02:12] <IIIEars> okay i don't think it works with amiga
[02:13] <nickrud> just be sure to get vlc-esd if you use ubuntu
[02:13] <socomm> Haha.
[02:13] <thoreauputic> !msfonts
[02:13] <ubotu> I guess msfonts is apt-get install msttcorefonts - you'll need multiverse enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list first.
[02:13] <thoreauputic> OK
[02:14] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: done
[02:14] <thoreauputic> hmm...missing sudo...
[02:14] <Steve0> Does anyone know how to keep movies' audio/video in sync in various Linux players? I'm trying to play a series of movies that play fine in Windows.
[02:14] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: good; I wrote the original but it was a straight copy'n'paste of !msttcorefonts or something too long...
[02:14] <Madpilot> !msttcorefonts
[02:14] <ubotu> I guess msttcorefonts is apt-get install msttcorefonts - you'll need universe enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list first.
[02:15] <Madpilot> ubotu forget msttcorefonts
[02:15] <ubotu> Madpilot: i forgot msttcorefonts
[02:15] <blaylock> thanks nickrud, i think it worked
[02:15] <blaylock> now to test it
[02:15] <blaylock> :)
[02:15] <Madpilot> ubotu msttcorefonts is apt-get install msttcorefonts - you'll need multiverse enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list first.
[02:15] <ubotu> okay, Madpilot
[02:15] <Madpilot> just to be completist about it...
[02:16] <IIIEars> !DVD
[02:16] <ubotu> IIIEars: I give up, what is it?
[02:16] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: I also inserted a sudo in the msfonts one
[02:16] <socomm> !dvd
[02:16] <ubotu> socomm: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[02:16] <PLaf> i'm trying to boot to the install cd/live cd, but even though the bios allows me to set cdroom to boot, it wont find the boot sectors on the cds
[02:16] <socomm> PLaf: Could it be that you burned a freesbie instead of cd?
[02:16] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: teaching the bot should pronbably be done in /query
[02:17] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: i /msg'd ubotu, I'll fix the long msttcorefonts one now
[02:17] <PLaf> socomm: i ordered the cd's from ubuntu, it came in that cute little packet
[02:17] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: K
[02:17] <socomm> PLaf: Hmmmm.
[02:17] <nalioth> PLaf: are the cds burnt properly? (correct MD5s run on teh image adn the disk?)
[02:18] <PLaf> nalioth: well, once i boot into windows i can access the cd's fine
[02:18] <socomm> PLaf: Do other cds boot fine?
[02:18] <PLaf> socomm: nope
[02:18] <PLaf> see the thing is guyz, i have win95 installed, and i DESPERATELY need something else because it sucks
[02:18] <socomm> PLaf: What is the primary boot device?
[02:18] <socomm> Try setting your cd room as your first boot device.
[02:19] <socomm> CD->Floppy->HDD, or something like that.
[02:19] <PLaf> socomm: right now its just the harddrive, i already tried setting the cd as #1, and it just said "insert boot disk"
[02:19] <IIIEars> ubotu DVD is There are several DVD applications Totem is installed with Ubuntu add totem-xine and it should work. Mplayer,VLC (Cross platform), XINE are just a few. All are threatened by US style patents.
[02:19] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[02:19] <socomm> Well you could make a boot floppy and then point the installer to use the CD.
[02:20] <nalioth> IIIEars: but you need codecs, for most of them to play dvds
[02:20] <hondje> PLaf: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartBootManagerHowto
[02:20] <PLaf> ah thats smart, are there doc's on the web that explain how to do that?
[02:20] <PLaf> ah thank you hondje
[02:20] <hondje> :) No problem
[02:20] <IIIEars> ffmpeg is warning on it site that it will close soon.
[02:21] <tanki> socomm, when you get done with helping people i have another which requires a lot of reading and is long but is hella funny
[02:21] <cwells> IIIEars: ?
[02:21] <IIIEars> most players use a restricted codec. - got my fingers crossed that europeans wake up and crush the move towards new patent laws.
[02:22] <hondje> I think they already did
[02:22] <cwells> http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/index.php
[02:22] <cwells> i don't see anything
[02:22] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: the patents directive was defeated
[02:22] <IIIEars> Ah, great! - you made my day. :)
[02:22] <nickrud> ah, good news for once
[02:23] <IIIEars> ubotu forget DVD
[02:23] <ubotu> i forgot dvd, IIIEars
[02:23] <|QuaD-> always love when my X won't start after a reboot on breezy :)
[02:24] <socomm> Why are you using breezy?
[02:24] <aru> me too, which is why I love stable
[02:24] <|QuaD-> socomm: why not?
[02:25] <teferi> socomm: because I'm a crazy masochist, clearly
[02:25] <|QuaD-> teferi: :)
[02:25] <wonderland> can anyone help
[02:25] <teferi> also because seven years of running debian unstable has taught me how to deal with massive breakage
[02:25] <bob2> wonderland: you need to ask a question first...
[02:25] <socomm> Well if youre running the development branch you really have no right to complain when things break.
[02:25] <teferi> i even know how to hack preinst and postinst scripts and fuck with dpkg internals at this point
[02:25] <teferi> hey, i don't complain
[02:25] <wonderland> is there any kind people liker there are on ubuntuforums.org
[02:26] <aru> there won't be, unless you ask a question :)
[02:26] <wonderland> I bet there alot of hackers here and can sense that im n00b and gonna hack the fuck out of me
[02:26] <thoreauputic> socomm: I didn't notice any complaints...
[02:26] <socomm> teferi: I was not refering to you in particular.
[02:26] <teferi> i actually find ubuntu's unstable branch to be a heck of a lot more stable than debian's unstable branches
[02:26] <teferi> have been
[02:26] <teferi> i've yet to get a single package ending up in 'Half-installed'
[02:26] <socomm> always love when my X won't start after a reboot on breezy
[02:26] <bob2> wonderland: please just ask your question
[02:26] <teferi> wonderland: relax and ask already, man
[02:26] <parabolize> wonderland just ask man
[02:26] <teferi> just chill
[02:26] <cwells> wonderland: just turn your computer off. you'll feel safer
[02:26] <|QuaD-> socomm: i never complained
[02:26] <thoreauputic> wonderland: I think you misunderstand the term "hacker"
[02:26] <IIIEars> ubotu DVD is There are many good free players for linux. Totem is installed in Ubuntu by default add totem-xine and voila! - Mplayer, XINE, VLC (Cross platform) are also very good.
[02:26] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[02:27] <wonderland> ok, i need help regarding apache
[02:27] <teferi> IIIEars: gstreamer totem does DVDs now too
[02:27] <teferi> ...wait, only in breezy, nevermind
[02:27] <wonderland> i have read the bit in the ubuntu guide of where it says "Q: How to map URLs to folders outside /var/www/?"
[02:27] <IIIEars> ubotu DVD is also gstreamer-totem
[02:27] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[02:27] <wonderland> And i dont understand it
[02:28] <nickrud> IIIEars, it's totem-gstreamer
[02:28] <teferi> ubotu, ubuntuguide?
[02:28] <ubotu> I guess ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[02:28] <teferi> ^^--
[02:28] <bob2> wonderland: so, why don't you ask a specific question
[02:28] <cwells> wonderland: you can use symlinks
[02:28] <bob2> then someone can give you a specific answer
[02:29] <nalioth> IIIEars: do those players play DVD out of the box?
[02:29] <Madpilot> !question
[02:29] <ubotu> No idea, Madpilot
[02:29] <thoreauputic> !hacker
[02:29] <ubotu> I guess hacker is well, a misunderstood term: see http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.html
[02:29] <Madpilot> !questions
[02:29] <ubotu> questions is, like, recommend reading: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[02:29] <wonderland> the information the guide gives to add to the new file, thats what i dont understand, where it saysAlias /URL-path /location_of_folder/
[02:29] <wonderland> <Directory /location_of_folder/>
[02:29] <wonderland>    Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
[02:29] <wonderland>    AllowOverride All
[02:29] <wonderland>    Order allow,deny
[02:29] <wonderland>    Allow from all
[02:29] <IIIEars> unfortuneatly - no, - all need codecs added. except VLC for windows
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[02:29] <wonderland> Alias /URL-path /location_of_folder/
[02:29] <wonderland> <Directory /location_of_folder/>
[02:29] <cafuego> !ubuntuguide =~ s/3/4/
[02:29] <ubotu> OK, cafuego
[02:29] <wonderland>    Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
[02:29] <wonderland>    AllowOverride All
[02:29] <bob2> wonderland: please don't paste crap in here
[02:29] <wonderland>    Order allow,deny
[02:29] <aru> hmm
[02:29] <cafuego> wonderland: Please stop pasting.
[02:29] <wonderland>    Allow from all
[02:29] <Madpilot> !pastebin
[02:29] <ubotu> rumour has it, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[02:30] <thoreauputic> *sigh*
[02:30] <Madpilot> ...heh...
[02:30] <nalioth> IIIEars: then you should probably amend the factoid to include that additional codecs WILL be necessary for DVD enjoyment
[02:30] <hondje> eww, sending people to ESR? :(
[02:30] <teferi> hondje: indeed :(
[02:31] <thoreauputic> hondje: have you read the jargon file? It's very good and entertaining
[02:31] <Madpilot> what, the !questions thing I made? skim the article, it's pretty good...
[02:31] <thoreauputic> hondje: not everything esr does is bad, you know ;)
[02:31] <wonderland> can someone help please, that bit i pasted above,
[02:31] <hondje> No, I never read the jargon file, other than when someone links to an anti-sco joke :)
[02:31] <socomm> ESR is a good guy. When you said Ewwww you probably meant RMS.
[02:32] <bob2> esr's a bit of a nutter
[02:32] <socomm> Still, I admire RMS more than most people.
[02:32] <bob2> and far too eager to just babble instead of hacking
[02:32] <nickrud> Madpilot, maybe start with 'when you ask a question, be as specific as you can, <the link> can provide guidance'
[02:32] <hondje> RMS hasn't really ever been wrong :)
[02:32] <wonderland> where do i change it to make it work on home/chris/public_html
[02:32] <Madpilot> nickrud: good point. hold on...
[02:32] <wonderland> IS THERE A BLOODY PLACE PEOPLE CAN GET SOME HELP HERE. OR DOES EVERY ONE CHAT CRAP
[02:32] <thoreauputic> bob2: I agree - but the jargon file is kind of fun
[02:33] <aru> heh
[02:33] <hondje> ESR wants people to wear 'the game of life' logo as an official hacker thing, and pretends that it's still 1989....RMS wears a robe and calls himself a saint
[02:33] <thoreauputic> wonderland: great psychology, sir
[02:33] <socomm> hondje: Funny, neither have I. :P
[02:33] <bob2> wonderland: just ask your question, and don't flood the channel
[02:33] <nickrud> wonderland, probably noone around feels competent enough; wait a bit and ask again
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: if you used pastebin
[02:33] <bob2> wonderland: where it says "URL-path" it means "the path you want to have appear at the end of the url"
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: people could look at your problem properly
[02:33] <hondje> wonderland: what part of that guide thing confused you?
[02:33] <thoreauputic> wonderland: also shouting doesn't endear you to people
[02:33] <bob2> wonderland: where it says "location_of_folder", it means "where is the folder on your hard disk"
[02:33] <hondje> thoreauputic: well, I'm mostly deaf so sometimes it helps :)
[02:34] <wonderland> the folder which is var/www
[02:34] <socomm> hondje: http://stallman.org/harry-potter.html
[02:34] <Madpilot> tweaked !questions:
[02:34] <Madpilot> !questions
[02:34] <ubotu> somebody said questions was what #ubuntu exists for. Please help by asking good, clear questions. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html is recommended reading.
[02:34] <PLaf> hey hondje, i tried the smartbootmanager, and when i booted it said "SBM Bad!"
[02:34] <funkyHat> xmms has mysteriously stopped playing .wma files
[02:35] <DAC1138> xmms never works here
[02:35] <DAC1138> loads, then freezes and needs killed
[02:35] <bob2> wonderland: I don't think you've really explained what you're trying to do, though
[02:35] <wonderland> what do i replace with this part: /URL-path /location_of_folder/
[02:35] <bob2> wonderland: which makes it hard to help you
[02:35] <funkyHat> :( i don't like any of the other media players
[02:35] <bob2> wonderland: by default it serves /var/www, so you don't need to do anything
[02:35] <nickrud> Madpilot, very nice
[02:35] <DAC1138> anyone here able to get ANY audio editing apps working?
[02:36] <wonderland> the guide gives you text to enter in a text file, which is that text that i copied and pasted
[02:36] <DAC1138> or is my ubuntu install just b0rked?
[02:36] <nickrud> DAC1138, try changing the audio output
[02:36] <DAC1138> nickrud, how do i do that?
[02:36] <wonderland> so what do i  replace with this part of the text:  /URL-path /location_of_folder/
[02:36] <thoreauputic> DAC1138: yes, audacity works for me
[02:36] <chaps0063> has anyone gotten any WMAs that are DRM'd to play?
[02:36] <DAC1138> thoreauputic, doesnt work here, says some crap about not being able to access sound system
[02:36] <funkyHat> chaps0063, no, it's not possible at the moment
[02:37] <chaps0063> funkyHat: darn.
[02:37] <bob2> wonderland: so, stop talking and explain what the hell you're trying to do
[02:37] <thoreauputic> DAC1138: yet another esd issue, I'm afraid
[02:37] <funkyHat> untill someone breaks the wma drm ;)
[02:37] <bob2> wonderland: if your goal is "have apache server the contents of /var/www", you're already done
[02:37] <wonderland> bib can i talk to you by your self
[02:37] <nickrud> DAC1138, I don't have it installed at the moment, but right click options/preferences, something like that I think
[02:37] <tobsen> hello
[02:37] <bob2> wonderland: if it's something else, you've done a terrible job if enlighetning it
[02:37] <indentp> I succesfully installed the buggy rt8180 driver by using driverloader and i am getting a signal from the wireless network but I still can not access the internet or ping any websites
[02:37] <thoreauputic> DAC1138: short and dirty way: killall esd - longer way, configure dmix and get rid of esd
[02:37] <DAC1138> "Error initializing the i/o layer"
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: you want to have your webserver serve the contents of /home/user/public_html by default?
[02:38] <bob2> wonderland: just ask your real question
[02:38] <wonderland> yes
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> ok.
[02:38] <wonderland> ho fucking ray
[02:38] <indentp> are there any settings in konqueror i am forgeting about?
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: you could have said that.
[02:38] <nickrud> :)
[02:38] <wonderland> well like i said im a n00b
[02:38] <funkyHat> anyone got any ideas for my xmms-wma problem?
[02:38] <DAC1138> thoreauputic, that worked. thatnks.
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> easiest way is to go to /vart
[02:38] <DAC1138> thoreauputic, is that a bug they're working on in ubuntu?
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> /var
[02:38] <bob2> wonderland: so, stop telling us what you don't understand, and just tell us what you're trying to do
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> sudo mv www www-orig
[02:39] <wonderland> you just said what i want to do
[02:39] <thoreauputic> DAC1138: I believe breezy will fix it, yes
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> sudo ln -s /home/yourusername/public_html www
[02:39] <nickrud> best way, if it's not a portable, is getting a sound card that supports hardware mixing
[02:39] <bob2> wonderland: so, you don't need to do anything, apache is already doing that
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> anything based on the emu10k1 is good
[02:39] <parabolize> wonderland: when you get some free time read this: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> sblive
[02:39] <bob2> wonderland: and in future, just ask your question to begin with, don't flood the channel, and don't be aggressive and rude to people trying to help you
[02:39] <indentp> can ayone help me with a wifi card problem?
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: what *I* said or what he said
[02:40] <funkyHat> well, i'd like to be able to configue both my soundcards :D not a lot of hope of that is there
[02:40] <wonderland> but how does apache now that public_html
[02:40] <wonderland> is being part of its webserver
[02:40] <bob2> wonderland: it's configured to do that in apache2.conf
[02:41] <nickrud> funkyHat, yes, alsa supports that, look on alsa-project.org
[02:41] <wonderland> ok so im going to add a file in there called index.php but how do i access that file
[02:41] <PLaf> great, im trying to make a boot disk and windoze is giving me magic disk problems rofl
[02:41] <tobsen> hello can i just ask something quickly? i dont know how to tell the terminal that ive got SUDO rights... the thing is: i want to mount a HD but the PC thinks ive got no rights :o
[02:41] <tobsen> thanks :P
[02:42] <nickrud> tobsen, do you still have your originally installed user account available?
[02:42] <hondje> wonderland: if it's in the root dir for your webserver, you just go to your domain (or 127.0.0.1) and it'll pop up
[02:42] <tobsen> yes
[02:42] <tobsen> i was just told i should type "su command"
[02:42] <nickrud> tobsen, log in as that user, then sudo adduser <newuser> admin
[02:42] <funkyHat> nickrud,  one of my soundcards appears to be using ALSA (I can see them both in , but can't choose between them in applications)
[02:42] <HrdwrBoB> tobsen: sudo
[02:42] <HrdwrBoB> not su
[02:42] <bob2> tobsen: no, 'sudo command'
[02:43] <wonderland> but it wont be becuse var/www/ is completely locked and un writable
[02:43] <tobsen> no i dont want a new user i just want the system to know ive got the rights
[02:43] <bob2> tobsen: look at the adduser manpage, that command is not creating a new user
[02:43] <wonderland> thats why iwant to create a folder away
[02:43] <hondje> why would you want a php script to write to /var/www?
[02:43] <bob2> it's adding an existing one to the admin group
[02:43] <tobsen> ahh, sorry i am very new to ubuntu :blush:
[02:43] <bob2> hondje: he/she wants to write to a php script there
[02:43] <hondje> oh, you can't copy it to there
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: make the php file
[02:44] <wonderland> finally someone
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: then use sudo to copy it
[02:44] <hondje> sudo cp index.php /var/www/index.php
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> sudo cp index.php /var/www
[02:44] <PLaf> oh too slow :D
[02:44] <hondje> sudo gives you permission to write there, cp copies
[02:44] <wonderland> could i do that in gui
[02:44] <wonderland> instead of going sudo
[02:44] <PLaf> personally, i hate guis
[02:44] <nickrud> funkyHat, I ran two cards a while ago, I think I had to write wrapper scripts, but my memory extremely fuzzy on htat
[02:44] <wonderland> becuase scripting php in linux is gona be a nightmare
[02:45] <bob2> wonderland: er, no, it's the same as writing php anywhere
[02:45] <nickrud> *is extremely fuzzy on that
[02:45] <wonderland> ok ill make the php file
[02:45] <TheWarMachine> where is realplayer installeed
[02:45] <TheWarMachine> ?
[02:45] <tobsen> the user i am currently logged in with is already member of the "admin group"
[02:45] <nalioth> wonderland: giving a gui root priveleges to fix your current problem can lead to your user account being severely messed up
[02:46] <bob2> tobsen: paste the exact error you got to #flood
[02:46] <bob2> including the command you ran
[02:46] <indentp> I am getting excellent signal on my KWiFi Manager but still can not ping or access any websites.... any ideas?
[02:46] <joKKer_fr> des francais ici ?
[02:46] <wonderland> ok
[02:46] <TheWarMachine> where is realplayer installeed
[02:46] <hondje> joKKer_fr: #ubuntu-fr
[02:46] <tobsen> its in german *blush
[02:46] <wonderland> ill note that
[02:46] <socomm> joKKer_fr: /join #unbuntu-fr
[02:46] <joKKer_fr> ok thanks
[02:46] <tobsen> tobsen@Tobsen:~$ sudo adduser tobsen admin
[02:46] <tobsen> Der Benutzer tobsen ist bereits ein Mitglied der Gruppe admin.
[02:47] <indentp> It took me a good 8 hours to get this driver installed, and I finally got the card up and running, but still no internet
[02:47] <evader> Hi I'm using Hoary. How can I get some sort of mail notification for Evolution in my systray/notfication area please?
[02:47] <tobsen> it says "tobsen is already a membe rof the admin group"
[02:47] <wonderland> does that mean ill have to use console mode through out my whole php coding experience in ubuntu
[02:47] <evader> I thought there was an applet, cant fidn it
[02:47] <funkyHat> TheWarMachine, do locate realplayer
[02:47] <bob2> tobsen: no, from the command you were trying to run to begin with
[02:47] <bob2> wonderland: no
[02:47] <indentp> are there any special settings in konqueror i am overlooking?
[02:47] <PLaf> blarg, ive tried two different ways to install SBM, and both have failed
[02:47] <wonderland> anyway i created the php file now its in desktop where shall i copy it to in gui
[02:47] <tobsen> tobsen@Tobsen:~$ mkdir /media/windows_c
[02:48] <thoreauputic> wonderland: try to be less negative: there are usually solutions if you need them :)
[02:48] <bob2> tobsen: no, that's wrong
[02:48] <tobsen> i was trying that
[02:48] <bob2> tobsen: sudo mkdir /media/windows_c
[02:48] <tobsen> Oh
[02:48] <DAC1138> alright, this is beginning to annoy me. my mouse lags every time i open a program or have a sudden jump in cpu useage
[02:48] <tobsen> Ohhh
[02:48] <tobsen> :)
[02:48] <tobsen> thank you I'll try
[02:48] <wonderland> i dont mean to be rude but what does that mean
[02:48] <DAC1138> ive got a 2.2 ghz processor and 768 mb ram, i should see lag in a mouse cursor
[02:48] <evader> Anyone please? Mail notifcation with Evolution in the systray? Is there an applet? Anything?
[02:49] <bob2> evader: just use the mail notification applet
[02:49] <DAC1138> evader, gdesklets maybe
[02:49] <wonderland> o yeah i have NOT dont this step of the guide "How to map URLs to folders outside /var/www/?"
[02:49] <bob2> wonderland: yes, that's fine
[02:49] <nickrud> evader, not really no, the one that comes with ubuntu is not really useful with evo
[02:49] <umarmung> evader: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=402
[02:49] <indentp> cafuego: you there? my card has signall but I still can not ping any addresses outside of my network
[02:49] <indentp> my head is about to explode
[02:50] <wonderland> do i need to do that step to make home/chris/public_html run as part of the server
[02:50] <chaps0063> I was hoping to get some help in setting up apache/mysql as inetd for use on my laptop instead of daemon.
[02:50] <nickrud> oh, umarmung thanks
[02:50] <aceidia> can anyone help me to get mplayer to play dvd's..?
[02:50] <nickrud> gonna try that very soon
[02:50] <nalioth> evader: there is a mail-notification applet, but dont think it runs with evolution
[02:50] <chaps0063> aceidia: you need libdvdcss2
[02:50] <cafuego> indentp: Load drivers, set options (essid, key, etc) fetch IP, set route, off you go.
[02:50] <TheWarMachine> im not getting any sound from realplayer
[02:50] <TheWarMachine> or vlc
[02:50] <chaps0063> aceidia: plus, I use xine-ui instead.
[02:51] <wonderland> bob2: please help
[02:51] <TheWarMachine> any thoughts?
[02:51] <wonderland> weres bob2?
[02:51] <bob2> wonderland: no, as I said, you don't need to
[02:51] <DAC1138> aceidia, yeah, why limit yourself to mplayer?
[02:51] <nickrud> TheWarMachine, you probably need vlc-esd
[02:51] <aceidia> if i get that do i need to get the codex or w/e.?
[02:51] <DAC1138> aceidia, there's xine, videolan, ogle (i use ogle, it supports menus) and i think powerdvd for linux is out, though its not free
[02:51] <wonderland> ok sorry for being a pain, but then what do i do, just please give me a general step by step guide
[02:52] <bob2> wonderland: no
[02:52] <chaps0063> aceidia:  http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[02:52] <bob2> wonderland: you need to ask specific questions
[02:52] <bob2> wonderland: you have apache working, and youve been told how to put your php file there
[02:52] <funkyHat> wonderland, all you need to do is uncomment the related lines in apache2.conf, and make sure your home directory permissions are ok
[02:52] <bob2> wonderland: what do you want to do next?
[02:52] <chaps0063> aceidia: add those, then sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 xine-ui
[02:52] <aceidia> i'm new don;t know what i can get..
[02:52] <indentp> cafuego: drivers are loaded, essid is correct and no WEP for now... no local ip address picked up under KWiFi Manager however
[02:52] <chaps0063> aceidia: I was new once too...:-)
[02:52] <TheWarMachine> nickrud, what about realplayer?
[02:52] <aceidia> k thanx
[02:52] <DAC1138> aceidia, doesnt matter if you're new, look at the ubuntu guide
[02:52] <wonderland> does this not leave security issues
[02:52] <nickrud> TheWarMachine, I haven
[02:53] <bob2> wonderland: how?
[02:53] <chaps0063> DAC1138: yeah, I was a nub one day...I still am..hehe
[02:53] <TheWarMachine> ??
[02:53] <wonderland> wy the way where is the config file
[02:53] <indentp> getting excellent signal strength, yet still cant get online
[02:53] <nickrud> 't configured realplayer recently, but I think you need to configure it to use esd for sound
[02:53] <DAC1138> chaps0063, we're all n00bs, we're just a higher level :)
[02:53] <TheWarMachine> how wuld I do that?
[02:53] <bob2> wonderland: /etc/apache2/ (basically all packages put system config files in /etc/packagename/)
[02:53] <DAC1138> but the thing is, you can be a n00b, that doesnt mean the ubuntu guide is too hard
[02:53] <bob2> wonderland: but please don't touch it, you'll only screw it up
[02:53] <chaps0063> DAC1138: but now I can install java without looking at any directions.
[02:53] <DAC1138> actually, the unofficial ubuntu guide is the best written distro documentation ive ever seen
[02:54] <chaps0063> DAC1138: and thats a big step from where I was, got my start with mandrake.
[02:54] <knowledge_> really stupid question....when using Gnome....are you using GTK+ or X11?
[02:54] <bob2> knowledge_: both
[02:54] <DAC1138> knowledge_, gtk
[02:54] <thoreauputic> knowledge_: both
[02:54] <wonderland> but you said uncomment it now your saying dont touch it
[02:54] <bob2> knowledge_: X just put pixels on the screen, gtk tells x11 to draw buttons and menus and ...
[02:54] <DAC1138> you cant have gtk really without x, can you?
[02:54] <knowledge_> mannnn I think I'm just going to format and reinstall
[02:54] <bob2> wonderland: no, I didn't say that at all
[02:54] <wonderland> shall i just go back to windows
[02:54] <DAC1138> x11 libs
[02:54] <bob2> wonderland: just leave it alone
[02:54] <bob2> wonderland: if you want to use windows, go for it
[02:54] <wonderland> no i dont
[02:54] <DAC1138> wonderland, if you're not willing to help yourself, yes
[02:55] <bob2> DAC1138: you can, it has been ported to run directly on the framebuffer, and it works on windows without X
[02:55] <wonderland> please
[02:55] <bob2> wonderland: you haven't asked a useful question
[02:55] <DAC1138> wonderland, we can help, but you need to put fourth some effort and not expect us to baby you through it all
[02:55] <chaps0063> wonderland: what are you having trouble with
[02:55] <nalioth> wonderland: windows has more oppertunitys for hackers, then linux
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: you might do well to spend some time familiarising yourself with the linux environment
[02:55] <indentp> cafuego: i may need help configuring the card correctly, everything seems to be fine except no local IP resolved... is this the problem? how can I check to see what is not configured correctly?
[02:55] <nickrud> heh, it's been so long I don't even recognize realplayer10's config screen :)
[02:55] <knowledge_> bob2, or anyone ever deal with wxWidgets?
[02:55] <DAC1138> wonderland, help us help you
[02:55] <wonderland> ok
[02:55] <bob2> knowledge_: I used it once from python, I think
[02:55] <bob2> I prefered glade
[02:55] <wonderland> i cannot create anything in /var/www/
[02:56] <bob2> wonderland: yes, indeed
[02:56] <wonderland> becuase its completely locked
[02:56] <knowledge_> I'm trying to install soulseek...I updated like a million and a half packages...and it's still lnot working
[02:56] <wonderland> so where do i put my php files to access them through a webbrowser
[02:56] <pax> wonderland: #apache
[02:56] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: an easy fix for this is sudo chown youruser /var/www
[02:56] <knowledge_> I think I'm going to format and reinstall so I can also get my wifi card back
[02:56] <bob2> wonderland: sudo chown $USER /var/www/
[02:56] <bob2> wonderland: but be very careful
[02:56] <kbrooks> No, knowledge_
[02:56] <wonderland> no this is a security risk iv been told
[02:57] <wonderland> what other ways is there
[02:57] <funkyHat> i was hesitant to give that advice...
[02:57] <kbrooks> wonderland, um
[02:57] <knowledge_> kbrooks, I've tried what people told me to try, and no dice....
[02:57] <funkyHat> create a directory inside /var/www
[02:57] <DAC1138> knowledge_, wait, what?
[02:57] <kbrooks> this is not a "security risk"
[02:57] <aru> wonderland: I would consider going back to windows if I were you
[02:57] <funkyHat> call it whatever you want, chown that to $USER:apache
[02:57] <bob2> wonderland: how on earth is it a security risk?
[02:57] <kbrooks> aru!
[02:57] <chaps0063> wonderland: are you editing locally or are people other than those on your computer going to access them?
[02:57] <DAC1138> knowledge_,  try "dhclient eth1" or whatever your wifi card was detected as
[02:57] <pax> wonderland: your other option is to set a vhost and have rootdir as user dir
[02:57] <kbrooks> DONT BE SERIOUS
[02:58] <wonderland> im alone user on the computer
[02:58] <indentp> iwconfig gives me: wlan0 IEEE 802.11-DS ESSID:"homenet" Nickname:"unknown"
[02:58] <knowledge_> DAC1138, no such device
[02:58] <wonderland> this computer is the linux (ubuntu)machine
[02:58] <DAC1138> knowledge_, im having problems getting wired ethernet working. ubuntu wants to default to the wifi device that isnt there anymore
[02:58] <chaps0063> isn't there a way to not allow anyone else to connect to apache but localhost?
[02:58] <DAC1138> knowledge_, so its not even detecting a secondary ethernet device?
[02:58] <chaps0063> I'm not sure.
[02:58] <TheWarMachine> nickrud any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated
[02:58] <DAC1138> knowledge_, in ifconfig?
[02:58] <knowledge_> I had it working until I patched my kernel
[02:58] <DAC1138> knowledge_, ah, yeah, i'd say reinstall
[02:58] <knowledge_> and the only reason I patched it was because there was a how to
[02:58] <indentp> with ndiswrapper?
[02:58] <wonderland> so now every nows my problem, what can i do apart from changing the permission of var/www/
[02:59] <bob2> wonderland: so, chown it
[02:59] <chaps0063> wonderland: who told you its a security risk?
[02:59] <kbrooks> wtf
[02:59] <bob2> wonderland: it is not a security issue
[02:59] <nickrud> TheWarMachine, my realplayer freezes also, but then, I generally use totem-xine to watch real media. I hadn't noticed, and have no advice at the moment.
[02:59] <knowledge_> DAC1138, no hope huh?
[02:59] <robert_pectol> What's the best way (command) to search for a specific package name for Debian and Debian derived distros?  I just moved to Ubuntu after 5+ years on Red Hat/Mandrake and am still trying to "come up to speed" on the subtle differences...
[02:59] <hondje> but having /dev/shm mounted rw is ... what a world :)
[02:59] <wonderland> its a thread on ubuntuforums, and anyway why doesnt the guide tell my chown it then
[02:59] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: you can use sudo cp like we said
[02:59] <wonderland> yes
[02:59] <bob2> robert_pectol: apt-cache search package
[02:59] <wonderland> thats a good way
[02:59] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: because the guide is on crack
[03:00] <bob2> wonderland: because tthe forums are wrong
[03:00] <TheWarMachine> nickrud, totem doesn't even work
[03:00] <bob2> wonderland: and the guide is also wrong
[03:00] <robert_pectol> bob2:   Thanks!
[03:00] <wonderland> but i want to use gui
[03:00] <kbrooks> wonderland, dont believe everything you read
[03:00] <nalioth> robert_pectol: use synaptic
[03:00] <DAC1138> knowledge_, probably not. ive been having wifi problems until i tried ubuntu, its the only distro to get my card working out of the box (at all actually)
[03:00] <wonderland> you lot are talking bullshit
[03:00] <wonderland> now
[03:00] <chaps0063> wonderland: sudo (app you want to use)
[03:00] <robert_pectol> synaptic?
[03:00] <knowledge_> yeah I hear ys
[03:00] <bob2> wonderland: please stop it
[03:00] <bob2> wonderland: you're being rude, and you're way out of your depth
[03:00] <kbrooks> wonderland, dont believe everything you read!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:00] <wonderland> bob2 your taking the piss
[03:00] <nalioth> robert_pectol: system > admin > synaptic package mangler
[03:00] <bob2> wonderland: the solution to your problem is to chown /var/www
[03:00] <kbrooks> wonderland, no you are
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: no he's not
[03:00] <chaps0063> wow..
[03:00] <wonderland> you dont really talk like that
[03:00] <indentp> DAC1138: could you help me with getting my card online?
[03:01] <bob2> wonderland: do it, or not, but you're wasting everyone's time
[03:01] <chaps0063> wonderland: relax.
[03:01] <hondje> lol
[03:01] <wonderland> is there any other way then
[03:01] <chaps0063> wonderland: what gui-app do you want to use?
[03:01] <DAC1138> indentp, i could try, whats the problem?
[03:01] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: I assure you that you're surrounded by people who by and large know damn well what they're talking about
[03:01] <bob2> wonderland: use chown.
[03:01] <IIIEars> Hey! if you guys can't get along will we have to seperate you? - ;)
[03:01] <robert_pectol> nalioth:   Cool!  I'll try that although I prefer the cli for installing software.  Thanks again!
[03:01] <nickrud> TheWarMachine, I used https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingCodecsToTotem to get totem-xine to work right
[03:01] <knowledge_> alright...I'm off to reinstall
[03:01] <knowledge_> later people
[03:01] <chaps0063> IIIEars: lol... wonderland to the corner in the left please...
[03:01] <wonderland> i want to drag and drop php files on to var/www/ so i can access them through a web browser
[03:01] <bob2> wonderland: you can continue to argue with people who know far more about this than you do, but it doesn't change the fact that you're wasting time
[03:02] <nalioth> robert_pectol: then use "apt-cache search <pkgname-fragment-etc>"
[03:02] <bob2> wonderland: sudo chown $USER /var/www/
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: so use chown like it has been explained to you many times
[03:02] <indentp> DAC1138: I am using an MA521 with the rt8180 driver through driverloader and the card is picking up excellent signal strength
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> this is *NOT* a security risk
[03:02] <bob2> wonderland: if you're going to continue to be disruptive, perhaps it's better if you go
[03:02] <hondje> if you have to use a gui to move a couple files, are you sure running a webserver is really a good idea?
[03:02] <Davey> lmao
[03:02] <indentp> DAC1138: but still having trouble accessing the internet
[03:02] <hondje> sounds like a bigger security risk than chown, IMHO
[03:02] <chaps0063> hey bob2, I got apache/mysql and all that working as of yester...
[03:03] <chaps0063> yesterday...if I could spell.
[03:03] <chaps0063> thanks for your help.
[03:03] <DAC1138> indentp, ah, i had that same problem
[03:03] <wonderland> is there any other way? thats all im asking, like what the guide says, it says create a text file and enter that text the guide provides, thats what i need help on that bit of the guide
[03:03] <DAC1138> indentp, does anything show up in ifconfig?
[03:03] <wonderland> thats what i originally came for
[03:03] <pax> bob2: dude you have some patience. kudos
[03:03] <wonderland> the bit i copied and pasted
[03:03] <hondje> then do what the guide says
[03:03] <kbrooks> wonderland, dont read the guide
[03:03] <hondje> if that's really what you want
[03:03] <bob2> wonderland: no, ignore that, it's complicated and pointless
[03:03] <chaps0063> wonderland: its been told to you.
[03:03] <nalioth> wonderland: the ubuntuguide has been known to lead to total reinstallation of system
[03:03] <indentp> DAC, yes
[03:03] <bob2> wonderland: run "sudo chown $USER /var/www/"
[03:03] <kbrooks> nalioth, how?
[03:03] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: running that single command fixes ALL of your problems
[03:03] <DAC1138> indentp, what does it say?
[03:04] <HrdwrBoB> and is trivial to do
[03:04] <bob2> wonderland: whoever told you that adding an Alias was any more secure is an idiot
[03:04] <kbrooks> nalioth, other than backports
[03:04] <nalioth> kbrooks: i spoke on this earlier
[03:04] <DAC1138> indentp, you should see something like eth0 for your wired ethernet, and eth1 or wlan0 for wireless
[03:04] <HrdwrBoB> the ubuntu guide should be a wiki
[03:04] <wonderland> ok
[03:04] <Bob_> hey, a friend of mine setup my wireless card and told me to use ifup and ifdown... I had to restart due to lock up and now there is no card! how do I get it back>
[03:04] <wonderland> im going to " CHOWN " it
[03:04] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: excellenty
[03:04] <kbrooks> wonderland, changes the owner of the directory
[03:05] <wonderland> but i bet my computer crashed becuase the amount of hackers trying to access my new linux computer
[03:05] <nickrud> lol
[03:05] <bob2> wonderland: plese stop being an idiot
[03:05] <DAC1138> indentp, i had the same problem in other distros. driver was installed, kde applet showed a network and signal strength, yet i couldnt get any information out of the network or internet
[03:05] <kbrooks> um
[03:05] <indentp> DAC, Link encap:local loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask 255.0.0.0 inet6 addr ::1/128 Scope:host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436
[03:05] <bob2> wonderland: I don't know if you're trolling, or really clueless, but it's just annoying.
[03:05] <wonderland> what changes the owner of the directory what does that mean
[03:05] <indentp> iwconfig you mean?
[03:05] <kbrooks> wonderland, please do not clutter the channel
[03:05] <kbrooks> wonderland, chown
[03:05] <wonderland> kbrooks
[03:06] <thoreauputic> wonderland: please get a clue from ubotu 's URL below
[03:06] <funkyHat> wonderland, open a terminal, type "sudo chown *your username* /var/www"
[03:06] <Bob_> how do I mount my network card?
[03:06] <kbrooks> wonderland, currently, you cant write to /var/www
[03:06] <thoreauputic> !hacker
[03:06] <ubotu> somebody said hacker was well, a misunderstood term: see http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.html
[03:06] <wonderland> o is that what it stands for
[03:06] <kbrooks> wonderland, currently, you cant write to /var/www
[03:06] <indentp> DAC, under iwconfig i see lo eth0 and wlan0
[03:06] <DAC1138> indentp, i mean what devices do you see? anything like eth1 or eth0? list all the eth# and wlan# you see
[03:06] <Bob_> I already ndiswrappered it--I think...
[03:06] <wonderland> sorry my user name is chris so how would the command look like
[03:06] <kbrooks> wonderland, REPLACE
[03:06] <DAC1138> indentp, alright, wlan0 is probably it then
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> sudo chown chris /var/www
[03:06] <wonderland> like this "sudo chown $chris /var/www/"
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> no,  no $
[03:06] <indentp> DAC, the correct essid is picked up and everything seems ok
[03:06] <kbrooks> no
[03:07] <bob2> the command I actually gave would work
[03:07] <DAC1138> indentp, try "dhclient wlan0"
[03:07] <indentp> DAC, but still can not ping anything
[03:07] <bob2> since your shell sets $USER
[03:07] <pax> wtf everyone in this channel got their troll detector off?
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[03:07] <kbrooks> bob2: From what I've read, he is a IDIOT
[03:07] <DAC1138> indentp, or "dhclient eth0"
[03:07] <rebort> hey... i could use some simple breezy help
[03:07] <wonderland> ok GUYS (is there any girls here by the way) im about to wack on the old CHOWN
[03:07] <chaps0063> kbrooks: I concur.
[03:07] <bob2> wonderland: enough
[03:08] <wonderland> every ones waiting
[03:08] <indentp> DAC, permision denied, let me try in root
[03:08] <DAC1138> about now im thinking linux isnt for you wonderland
[03:08] <hondje> yeah, he's trolling
[03:08] <nickrud> wonderland, if I may, http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/index.html and http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html make good reading
[03:08] <DAC1138> ya know, its not for everybody
[03:08] <wonderland> whats trolling for f sake
[03:08] <Bob_> how do I mount my network card in hoary?
[03:08] <kbrooks> nickrud, NO!!!!!!
[03:08] <nickrud> no?
[03:08] <rebort> it's the /etc/X11/X is not executable issue... i'd rather hear from one reliable source about how to fix that instead of hearing many non-working and unofficial fixes
[03:08] <carrot> that is old
[03:08] <wonderland> o sware to god i really do need help
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> yes, we know
[03:08] <kbrooks> nickrud, Do not make him RTFM
[03:08] <wonderland> ive been on ununtu forums for a day now
[03:08] <wonderland> check out my post
[03:08] <rebort> can anyone give me an official answer?
[03:09] <wonderland> wait let me get the url
[03:09] <kbrooks> wonderland, the forums are inaccurate
[03:09] <indentp> DAC you are my savior
[03:09] <nickrud> both are dated 2005, I check first
[03:09] <DAC1138> indentp, worked?
[03:09] <kbrooks> wonderland, Honestly.
[03:09] <wonderland> ok just see what iv learn so far from the forums
[03:09] <bob2> rebort: that's a symlink, perhaps it's broken
[03:09] <indentp> somthing as simple as grabbing an IP address
[03:09] <kbrooks> wonderland, irrevelant
[03:09] <nalioth> rebort: breezy is not for everyday use atm
[03:09] <rebort> bob2: we share a name, and it is broken
[03:09] <nalioth> rebort: most of us in here do not use it for that reason
[03:09] <evader> Hi. How can I get Evolution to put a notification in the systray when I get mail PLEASE.
[03:09] <wonderland> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=259573#post259573
[03:09] <DAC1138> indentp, well, i was frusturating as hell for me, and i still couldnt get mine fixed, and now that ubuntu has it working out of the box, i know what to do
[03:10] <rebort> nalioth: i know, i have suffered through much with breezy, and i was hoping to also suffer through this
[03:10] <bob2> rebort: it should point at /usr/bin/X or so, I'd assume
[03:10] <cafuego> indentp: Blah, I told you that 20 minutes ago :-P
[03:10] <DAC1138> indentp, i was about to throw my laptop on the wall and slam my head on my desk. glad i could save someone from the same troubles
[03:10] <bob2> rebort: surely the answer is in the bts?
[03:10] <indentp> DAC, so the command dhclient just hits the dhcp server on my router to request an IP address?
[03:10] <HrdwrBoB> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 17 2004-11-10 09:30 /etc/X11/X -> /usr/bin/X11/Xorg
[03:10] <evader> Hi. How can I get Evolution to put a notification in the systray when I get mail .... ANYONE?
[03:10] <wonderland> o yeah by the way what does this mean "chmod 744"
[03:10] <bob2> hm
[03:10] <DAC1138> indentp, i guess, i was told to do that to switch to my eth0 wired network
[03:10] <bob2> wonderland: ignore it
[03:11] <cafuego> wonderland: read,write,execute by owner, read-only for anyone else.
[03:11] <nickrud> kbrooks, that is not rtfm, that is basic research
[03:11] <bob2> wonderland: if you don't understand an answer on the forum, follow up saying you don't understand it
[03:11] <indentp> DAC, will switching to my eth0 be difficult?
[03:11] <carrot> just a link..
[03:11] <DAC1138> indentp, because by default, ubuntu wants to use my wireless card for network access, which isnt always in, so i have to run that command everytime i want to use my wired net
[03:11] <Bob_> ah ha! I just had to wait a bit
[03:11] <Bob_> it works now!
[03:11] <rebort> there is not a /usr/bin/X11/Xorg, only a [...] /X
[03:11] <Bob_> thanks all :-p
[03:11] <HrdwrBoB> nickrud: even more than that; compulsory background knowledge
[03:11] <DAC1138> indentp, no, just run dhclient eth0 to switch back to wired
[03:11] <kbrooks> nickrud, SO?
[03:11] <indentp> DAc, ahhh... i see. I dont have to disable the wlan0?
[03:11] <HrdwrBoB> rebort: then link it to that
[03:11] <kbrooks> HrdwrBoB, this is irrevelant
[03:12] <DAC1138> indentp, nope
[03:12] <wonderland> have you had a look
[03:12] <nickrud> kbrooks, although I do take your point.
[03:12] <indentp> DAC, sweet. I love it when everything works simultaneaosly
[03:12] <kbrooks> nickrud, huh?
[03:12] <wonderland> do you bob2 and the others have some kind of blog so i can trust you becuase in common sense, id rather trust the forum then some chat on IRC
[03:12] <nickrud> kbrooks, about not shoving manuals at people, instead of helping
[03:12] <DAC1138> wonderland, you can trust google
[03:12] <kbrooks> wonderland, listen to me
[03:13] <bob2> wonderland: I'd trust IRC ahead of the forums
[03:13] <kbrooks> wonderland, forums suck.
[03:13] <kbrooks> End of story.
[03:13] <bob2> and having a blog just proves someone has too much time on their hands ;p
[03:13] <nalioth> wonderland: perhaps you should have lurked in here for weeks to see the quality of answers that are given
[03:13] <indentp> DAC, i am running a buggy rt8180 driver that i could only get to work under driverloader (which will cost me $20 after 30 days), do you have any experience with ndiswrapper?
[03:13] <bob2> cafuego: well, ok, good point
[03:13] <kbrooks> wonderland, you are still a troll.
[03:13] <wonderland> o well if you decide to hack me
[03:13] <tritium> bob2, heh, I agree ;)
[03:13] <pschulz01> Greetings. Anyone know if 'nvu' is available for  Ubuntu? It's on TheOpenCD v3.
[03:13] <pschulz01> for windows...
[03:13] <wonderland> ill just re-install whats the worst that could happen
[03:13] <kbrooks> wonderland, *crack*
[03:14] <nalioth> pschulz01: yes, you can d/l it from its homepage
[03:14] <wonderland> o shit
[03:14] <thoreauputic> wonderland: seek help for your paranoia :)
[03:14] <kbrooks> wonderland, you are a troll and a idiot that is NOT READY FOR LINUX
[03:14] <evader> How can I get Evolution to put a notification in the systray when I get mail
[03:14] <pschulz01> nalioth: no package yet?
[03:14] <evader> I cant find an applet
[03:14] <wonderland> what does *crack* mean
[03:14] <rebort> USR/BIN/X11/X points to /etc/X11/X, so it would be unwise to link
[03:14] <tritium> evader, I don't believe that capability exists yet
[03:14] <nalioth> evader: there is NO KNOWN way (that i know of) check the evolution homepage
[03:14] <cafuego> evader: if evolution has no pref to do that, it probably means it can't (yet)
[03:14] <indentp> althouh driverloader might be nice to have down the road with other windows based drivers. the the nice web-based GUI as opposed to ndiswrapper
[03:14] <kbrooks> wonderland, cr`acker
[03:14] <wonderland> who the fuck ever is, linux is shit man, your all communists, man, im a php coder, whats the point of using linux,
[03:15] <kbrooks> cracker*
[03:15] <cafuego> indentp: driverloader is payware though
[03:15] <tritium> wonderland, please calm down
[03:15] <wonderland> kbrooks aint helping
[03:15] <evader> Thanks
[03:15] <kbrooks> crackers are not hackers and vice versa
[03:15] <cafuego> indentp: and a GUI only makes it 1) slower and 2) larger
[03:15] <DAC1138> indentp, no, ive tried that with my card, i couldnt figure the dang thing out
[03:15] <wonderland> and what does he even mean,
[03:15] <DAC1138> indentp, madwifi you might want to check that out
[03:15] <indentp> DAC you tried ndiswrapper?
[03:15] <cafuego> wonderland: Did you actually have an ubuntu question?
[03:15] <DAC1138> indentp, no, i havent used ndiswrapper
[03:16] <rebort>   no ideas then?
[03:16] <DAC1138> i think we need to boot wonderland
[03:16] <DAC1138> ah, good
[03:16] <indentp> DAC, what did you try with your card?
[03:16] <kevin> wheeeeeeeeeew
[03:16] <DAC1138> indentp, there were some kernel modules i had to download for my chipset on sourceforge
[03:17] <funkyHat> hurrah!
[03:17] <DAC1138> indentp, i have an atmel chipset, so there were some 3rd party open source stuff i could download
[03:17] <DAC1138> wow it got quiet since he was booted
[03:17] <indentp> ha, yeah
[03:17] <kevin> lol
[03:17] <nickrud> kbrooks, now that that's over, those two links are really good for new folks. What's a decent way to point at them.
[03:17] <indentp> the need for "nick: question" format is gone
[03:18] <kbrooks> nickrud, i dont think so
[03:18] <kbrooks> not here anyways
[03:18] <kbrooks> nickrud, i would never ever .... *EVER* point a newbie to ubuntu at those 2 links.
[03:19] <kbrooks> nickrud, why do so when we can ALL help and the wiki exists?
[03:19] <indentp> DAC, what types of cards use the Atheros chipset?
[03:19] <MIK3MAN> which is the best kernal to install for ubuntu?? stability wise..??
[03:19] <kevin> question, how would I add say a button to xfce for say abiword?
[03:19] <rebort> linking /etc/X11/X to /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg works
[03:19] <DAC1138> indentp, i dont know. isnt atheros supported in the kernel? i was building a kernel todya and thought i saw atheros in there
[03:20] <JDahl> MIK3MAN, the one that's installed by default, I think
[03:20] <IIIEars> vulnerability discovered in zlib compression
[03:20] <indentp> DAC, im not sure... im trying to find out if madwifi will work with my card
[03:20] <DAC1138> MIK3MAN, i dont think ubuntu takes kindly to new kernels
[03:20] <rebort> but mouse keyboard and nv modules arent found
[03:20] <DAC1138> MIK3MAN, i just built the latest, and i cant get the thing to boot
[03:21] <thoreauputic> kevin: you can add lauchers to the panel through the config app - I'm in fluxbox and can't recall the exact name but it has a cross shaped icon IIRC
[03:21] <DAC1138> indentp, check your manuals or label on the card, it should have the chipset or model # on there
[03:21] <TheWarMachine> anyone know how to get sound working in realplayer>?
[03:21] <wonderland> u rock bob2
[03:21] <ablyss> anyone want to see a screenshot of my ubuntu?  http://www.epluribusunix.net/screenshots/07-17-05_21:18:48.jpeg  :)
[03:21] <MIK3MAN> JDahl: whats the difference from linux 386 and linux-image 386, and linux image 2.6?? they are all on the install cd
[03:21] <wonderland> everythings dandy
[03:21] <indentp> DAC, i think its a realtek, not sure though
[03:21] <DAC1138> indentp, google search for the model # and look for the chipset, then search google.com/linux for using that chipset in linux
[03:21] <Davey> ablyss: do you have a pr0n background?
[03:21] <wonderland> although one last proper question
[03:21] <kevin> hmmmmmmmmmmm ok, thanx anyways, I will wait for someone running xfce
[03:22] <Davey> ablyss: if not, I don't care :D
[03:22] <wonderland> why was the var/www/ folder locked in the first place
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> MIK3MAN: they are logical packages of the same thing
[03:22] <JDahl> DAC1138, if you must, you can build a kernel using Ubuntu defaults by copying the /boot/config file to the kernel source tree
[03:22] <Madpilot> pschulz01: your question sort of got lost. nvu is installable. watch the two posting's ubotu's about to make
[03:22] <Madpilot> !nvu
[03:22] <ubotu> I heard nvu is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToInstallNVUHTMLEditor/ http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.""
[03:22] <kevin> not trying tobr rude dude
[03:22] <MIK3MAN> HrdwrBoB: which should I choose??
[03:22] <Madpilot> !html
[03:22] <ubotu> [html]  HyperText Markup Language, used to build webpages. HTML editors available in Hoary include Bluefish & Screem, both installable through Synaptic. HTML can also be written in any text editor, as purists will be quick to tell you!
[03:22] <kbrooks> wonderland, because linux sucks.
[03:22] <Davey> ablyss: whats the second graph to the right of the CPU one?
[03:22] <nalioth> wonderland: anything outside of your home directory belongs to someone else, that is why it's "locked"
[03:22] <ablyss> Davey: CPU and memory
[03:22] <DAC1138> JDahl, thats what i did
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> MIK3MAN: any of them, they're effectively all the same
[03:22] <Davey> ah, didn't see that one
[03:22] <nalioth> pschulz01: i answered your question right after you asked it
[03:23] <wonderland> so now it belongs to every one now that i changed the previliges to everyone
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> MIK3MAN: choose linux-386
[03:23] <DAC1138> JDahl, and basically i only changed the acpi and the processor info, and the partition stuff
[03:23] <wonderland> now that i chown it
[03:23] <MIK3MAN> ok
[03:23] <DAC1138> JDahl, still wont boot
[03:23] <IIIEars> ubotu html is also "!NVU" html editor.
[03:23] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[03:23] <ablyss> Davey: hehe i dont watch pron :P
[03:23] <thoreauputic> wonderland: you changed it to belong to your user
[03:23] <TheWarMachine> ablyss what prog do you use as the dock>
[03:23] <indentp> DAC, thanks for daving me an increcible headache. now I must decide if I want to buy a new card or purchase driverloader
[03:23] <indentp> saving*
[03:23] <wonderland> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[03:23] <auk> !html
[03:23] <ablyss> TheWarMachine: gnome panel
[03:23] <wonderland> thoreauputic you are a star
[03:23] <thoreauputic> wonderland: unless you did something no-one advised
[03:23] <wonderland> what
[03:24] <wonderland> sudo chown chris /var/www
[03:24] <auk> !nvu
[03:24] <ubotu> hmm... nvu is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToInstallNVUHTMLEditor/ http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.""
[03:24] <wonderland> thats what i did
[03:24] <auk> !Nvu
[03:24] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, nvu is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToInstallNVUHTMLEditor/ http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.""
[03:24] <IIIEars> auk - ubotu is chewing on the database update for html. - it takes a minute or two
[03:24] <wonderland> does that still mean its safe
[03:24] <wonderland> and no one of you lot can access it
[03:24] <kbrooks> wonderland, ummmm
[03:24] <kbrooks> wonderland,
[03:24] <wonderland> what kbrooks
[03:24] <kbrooks> !hack
[03:24] <ubotu> Wish i knew, kbrooks
[03:24] <auk> IIIEars: no--he messaged me
[03:24] <thoreauputic> wonderland: if you run ls -ld /var/www  you'll see that it  now belongs to chris
[03:24] <kbrooks> !hacking
[03:24] <ubotu> kbrooks: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[03:24] <nickrud> kbrooks, sorry had to step away for a sec. I don't think most of that is on the wiki, and it's also extremely relevant.
[03:25] <ablyss> BTW, i took the picture of the lilly from my backyard.. you guys like it?  I have about 6 more that make really awesome desktop wall paper
[03:25] <Madpilot> !hacker
[03:25] <ubotu> somebody said hacker was well, a misunderstood term: see http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.html
[03:25] <Madpilot> kbrooks: there you go...
[03:25] <auk> !cracker
[03:25] <ubotu> auk: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[03:25] <wonderland> why is kbrooks saying hacks for then
[03:25] <auk> !cracking
[03:25] <ubotu> auk: I don't know
[03:25] <auk> !crack
[03:25] <ubotu> auk: Are you smoking crack?
[03:25] <TheWarMachine> `ablyss tell me how you got/config it
[03:25] <auk> lol
[03:25] <kbrooks> wonderland, you misunderstand the term
[03:25] <Madpilot> wonderland: we're fooling around with ubotu. but ppl should be doing that thru /msg, really
[03:25] <thoreauputic> auk: ubotu doesn't have a factoid for that yet
[03:25] <IIIEars> be nice to the bot a slender database is a lot faster.
[03:25] <TheWarMachine> !insult
[03:25] <auk> his factiod now is good enough for me
[03:26] <aceidia> does anyone know of a good dvd player?
[03:26] <kbrooks> wonderland, go and read ESR's jargon database entry for hacker'
[03:26] <DAC1138> aceidia, ogle
[03:26] <aceidia> thx
[03:26] <wonderland> wheres that then
[03:26] <chaps0063> aceidia: I like xine-ui
[03:26] <DAC1138> aceidia, i suggested a bunch earlier, didnt oyu read?
[03:26] <tritium> aceidia, gxine is nice too
[03:26] <aceidia> can i get it off mulitiverse?
[03:26] <kbrooks> wonderland, at the link the bot posted
[03:26] <auk> check out the blender package
[03:26] <wonderland> oh yeah how about phpMyAdmin
[03:26] <auk> way bloated
[03:26] <wonderland> how do you install that
[03:26] <thoreauputic> wonderland: hacker is not a bad word - go read the URL and learn what it means
[03:26] <ablyss> TheWarMachine: well transparency is optional in the panel preferences.. svg icons are downloadable off synaptic gnome themes... there isn't too much to config about it
[03:26] <aceidia> i did but some aren;t working.. nad i closed the window
[03:27] <wonderland> ok whatevery. but how do you install phpMyAdmin
[03:27] <auk> wonderland: were you talking to me
[03:27] <auk> ?
[03:27] <DAC1138> aceidia, ah. ogle is in multiverse and so is gxine
[03:27] <wonderland> anyone
[03:27] <wonderland> i need help
[03:27] <kbrooks> wonderland, d/l, untar, cp, config, you're done
[03:27] <chaps0063> wonderland: do you have mysql installed?
[03:27] <bob2> wonderland: stop being annoying
[03:27] <bob2> wonderland: or you will be permanently removed
[03:27] <wonderland> yes
[03:27] <bob2> wonderland: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[03:27] <Madpilot> !lamp
[03:27] <ubotu> lamp is, like, Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary
[03:27] <DAC1138> wonderland, you arent the only person in the world you know, other people need help too
[03:27] <chaps0063> wonderland: http://www.phpmyadmin.net/home_page/
[03:27] <Madpilot> wonderland: see the link ubotu just posted...
[03:27] <ablyss> wow this chat is a rocking.. dont bother knocking :D
[03:27] <signbarn> What's a good p2p application for ubuntu?
[03:28] <indentp> haha
[03:28] <useruser> signbarn: mldonkey
[03:28] <kbrooks> Madpilot, are you the resident ubotu expert?
[03:28] <kbrooks> ;)
[03:28] <aceidia> thankxs
[03:28] <sizzam> i try to start mail-notification from a terminal and nothing happens, it just sits there.   what log files can i check to point me in the right direction?
[03:28] <nalioth> signbarn: depends on how you want to p2p
[03:28] <auk> ablyss: hahahahahaahahaha...
[03:28] <kbrooks> signbarn, amule
[03:28] <thoreauputic> wonderland: do what we all have to do sometimes: use google, read howtos, use http://google.com/linux...... etc etc
[03:28] <wonderland> thas what i been looking for
[03:28] <kbrooks> amule > *
[03:28] <wonderland> that lamp thingy, i been using it on windows
[03:28] <auk> signbarn: tinyP2P
[03:28] <auk> heh
[03:28] <signbarn> well i guess i'm just looking for a "large" user base
[03:28] <kbrooks> auk: uh.......
[03:28] <auk> wonderland: wtf?
[03:28] <Madpilot> kbrooks: no, but I"ve got nothing else to do right now... gotta be fast with the ! key... :)
[03:28] <nalioth> signbarn: gtk-gnutella
[03:29] <nalioth> signbarn: bittorrent
[03:29] <kbrooks> nalioth, amule ;)
[03:29] <signbarn> :-)
[03:29] <plb> hey guys heres another metacity theme i did..thoughts?> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=26574
[03:29] <auk> wonderland: linux on windows?
[03:29] <kbrooks> auk: no
[03:29] <Evil> hello all
[03:29] <thoreauputic> wonderland: erm... the "l" in LAMP stands for what, do you think?
[03:29] <wonderland> Is there any GIRLS here
[03:29] <kbrooks> auk, think think
[03:29] <DAC1138> plb, shouldnt you be checking in #metacity?
[03:29] <bob2> wonderland: final warning
[03:29] <DAC1138> wonderland, yes
[03:30] <identp> sweet
[03:30] <plb> DAC1138: i like it here better =P
[03:30] <Evil> can someone say me how to fix this bug : "error activating wkb configuration"
[03:30] <DAC1138> bob2, hes had enough warnings, i'd say boot him
[03:30] <wonderland> whos heard of WAMP, its for windows
[03:30] <wonderland> WAMP 5.4
[03:30] <bob2> wonderland: please stay on-topic
[03:30] <auk> pbl: what have you got in the way of gtk+ ?
[03:30] <kbrooks> wonderland, OT alert
[03:30] <wonderland> can bob2 stop bosing me about and picking on me
[03:30] <IIIEars> thorauputic - hehe
[03:30] <signbarn> pbl: that's a pretty slick theme. i like it
[03:30] <chaps0063> wonderland: bye.
[03:30] <DAC1138> to be honest, wonderland is the worst ive seen on any linux irc chat
[03:30] <nickrud> lol, wonderland bob2 is bos
[03:30] <bob2> I'lll un+q when I get to Sydney
[03:31] <chaps0063> bob2: when are you going there?
[03:31] <kbrooks> wonderland, bob2 is boss
[03:31] <thoreauputic> DAC1138: you're new here, aren't you ? *grin*
[03:31] <DAC1138> thoreauputic, not really, ive been here ltos before
[03:31] <Madpilot> bob2: you're going to Sydney in about ten years, right? :)
[03:31] <DAC1138> thoreauputic, ive never really been this active though
[03:31] <kbrooks> nalioth
[03:31] <bob2> chaps0063: about tne minutes ;)
[03:31] <kevin> I am going there by the time I die lol
[03:31] <DAC1138> thoreauputic, but im saying of all the linux chats ive been in, #linux, #suse, #slackware, #vector, ive been around
[03:31] <thoreauputic> DAC1138: it was a reference to a well known slashdot meme actually :)
[03:31] <chaps0063> bob2: hehe...I'd love to go.
[03:32] <auk> pbl: got any GTK+ mac-liek buttons, by any chance?
[03:32] <kbrooks> and unfair
[03:32] <chaps0063> kbrooks: he probably has no clue it even happened.
[03:32] <kbrooks> chaps0063, so?
[03:32] <DAC1138> tritium, yeah, i remember you, you were the one who told me about the linux headers needing to be installed
[03:32] <plb> auk: no but i can make some
[03:32] <nalioth> kbrooks
[03:32] <Madpilot> chaps0063: did wonderland have any clue to begin with?
[03:32] <tritium> DAC1138, cool :)
[03:32] <chaps0063> kbrooks: just pointing it out.
[03:32] <DAC1138> tritium, back when i had the kernel compiling problems like im having now
[03:32] <chaps0063> Madpilot: this is true.
[03:32] <tritium> still?
[03:33] <kbrooks> nalioth: is the +q fair? ;)
[03:33] <DAC1138> tritium, by the way, that headers tip was awsome, thanks. saved my butt on many other distros too
[03:33] <bob2> kbrooks: yes, irc is kinda inherently undemocratic
[03:33] <auk> pbl: i'm hacking a gtk/metacity theme to make it more what i want, but all the mac buttons i find are cheesy-looking
[03:33] <tritium> DAC1138, of course :)
[03:33] <bob2> kbrooks: I try very hard to not remove people just because they annoy me
[03:33] <IIIEars> Ubuntuans are a considerate bunch. - banning isn't done lightly
[03:33] <nalioth> kbrooks: bob2 did wonderland a favor. he allowed wonderland to stay to soak up all this wonderful knowledge, w/o disrupting the dispersal of said knowledge
[03:33] <plb> auk: google os x themes there are a few good sites out there
[03:33] <chaps0063> bob2: from what I witnessed, your patience is great.
[03:33] <kevin> uh hu
[03:34] <trinidad> HELP! How do i remove the stipple from detailed list view in konqueror when i browse my folders?
[03:34] <plb> brb
[03:34] <nickrud> lol, when I first started following this channel ...
[03:34] <chaps0063> bob2: he would've been gone after the first "is there any girls here" for two reason, one for being off topic, two for improper grammar.
[03:34] <teferi> man, I have had it up to here with not having any kind of new-mail notification from evolution. time to learn how to use dbus and write a notification-area thingy...
[03:34] <bob2> trinidad: #kubuntu or #kde might know more, but is there nothing in the options?
[03:34] <DAC1138> chaps0063, sexual harassment come in anywhere?
[03:34] <bob2> chaps0063: hah
[03:34] <nalioth> chaps0063: there are many non-native-english speakers in here.
[03:34] <tritium> teferi, I do believe it's being worked on
[03:35] <redtech> I dont want to use gnucash...  is there a package for quotations/invoicing ?
[03:35] <bob2> teferi: that would be awesome
[03:35] <teferi> tritium: there was one called em-panel-applet
[03:35] <teferi> but it didn't get updated after the big dbus api breakage
[03:35] <chaps0063> nalioth: understood, but his spelling was bad also....and if english was his second language then I would retract that statement.
[03:35] <nickrud> teferi, someone mentioned http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=402 , I haven't tried it yet
[03:35] <tritium> teferi, ah, I see.
[03:35] <IIIEars> in ubuntu "SWM" is a window manger - lol
[03:35] <nalioth> chaps0063: i look at attitude over anything else
[03:36] <teferi> nickrud: i'm skeptical as to how recent that is
[03:36] <teferi> nickrud: in particular, as of september 29, 2004, the evolution dbus plugin didn't even exisit yet
[03:36] <chaps0063> nalioth: well, I guess I judge based on spelling/grammar (at least online, and within emails) to see how the person's attitude might be.
[03:37] <nickrud> teferi, it uses filters, as I read it, so it's a hack, but it may work for now
[03:37] <teferi> bob2: i can't imagine it'd be very hard...if there's ruby bindings, i'll hack with that, otherwise i'll brush up on my python
[03:37] <Will_> 'is there any girls here', classic.
[03:37] <trinidad> bob2, nothing I can see
[03:37] <chaps0063> nalioth: I guess its because I'm a stickler about spelling, etc.
[03:37] <teferi> nickrud: but there's no reason to do it that way anymore, now that evolution puts messages on d-bus when mail comes in
[03:37] <nickrud> teferi, when someone writes it, I'll send a donation.
[03:37] <auk> !scribus
[03:37] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, auk
[03:37] <teferi> nickrud: hey, i'm working on it now :P
[03:37] <auk> !info scribus
[03:37] <chaps0063> bob2: is it possible Channel Topic we could append "is there any girls here"?
[03:37] <ubotu> scribus: (free software desktop page layout program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.2.1-1ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 4414 kB, Installed size: 13080 kB
[03:38] <tritium> teferi, awesome!
[03:38] <nalioth> nickrud: want my pp info?
[03:38] <teferi> foo, no dbus ruby bindings
[03:38] <teferi> time to relearn python :/
[03:38] <nickrud> nalioth, sure
[03:38] <nickrud> whatever pp is ;P
[03:38] <IIIEars> SpreadFirefox site was hacked (PHP/Drupal) - wow
[03:38] <teferi> what do you expect from php?
[03:38] <nalioth> nickrud: since you're passing out $
[03:38] <nickrud> oh, paypal, duh
[03:39] <nickrud> nalioth, give it to me in person
[03:39] <julz> Hi. Can Ubuntu run fine on an *External USB Hard Drive* and still use other  USB devices easily?
[03:39] <bob2> julz: except that your bios probably can't boot it, yes
[03:39] <auk> IIIEars: yeah, taht's what i thought
[03:39] <bob2> chaps0063: hah, the answer is "yes"
[03:39] <teferi> grr, i saw a dbus tutorial on planet gnome just yesterday
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> bob2: most modern bioses can, but ..
[03:40] <chaps0063> bob2: yes!
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> I don't know why you would do that
[03:40] <nickrud> teferi, that is the one thing that I truly want, so I was serious :)
[03:40] <sizzam> i can't get mail-notification to start, any suggestions on where to start troubleshooting?
[03:40] <julz> bob2: it can. i just heard that with usb, adding another device can cause the drive to unmount
[03:40] <auk> bob2: why probably can't boot it?
[03:40] <teferi> THERE
[03:40] <teferi> found it...
[03:41] <teferi> great, now to figure out how to make a notification area icon show up
[03:41] <auk> most computers can...
[03:41] <julz> so no usb problems?
[03:41] <tritium> sizzam, did you go to System->Preferences->Mail Notification and configure it after adding the applet?
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB> julz: it's just a bad idea in general
[03:41] <julz> how come?
[03:42] <auk> julz: is it for a live distro
[03:42] <auk> ?
[03:42] <auk> or something?
[03:42] <HrdwrBoB> because USB is slow and not generally reliable
[03:42] <bob2> auk: I guess I'm out of date
[03:42] <sizzam> tritium:  thanks.  do you know where the actual file is that holds those settings in case i need to wipe it
[03:42] <bob2> julz: I'd be pretty surprised if it managed to unmount /
[03:42] <bob2> ?win29
[03:42] <auk> linux-live.or
[03:42] <julz> i would use usb cos my main drive is for windows and i cant change it (families)
[03:42] <sizzam> tritium:  i dont see anything obviously labeled in /home/<user>
[03:42] <auk> g
[03:43] <tritium> sizzam, under ~/.gconf/apps/mail-notification, but I don't think you want to be editing that by hand
[03:43] <auk> julz: for a desktop distro, you would be much better partitioning
[03:44] <sizzam> tritium:  thanks again
[03:44] <tritium> sizzam, no problem
[03:44] <julz> auk: but it would still work ok on usb
[03:44] <teferi> geh, that's not good...
[03:45] <nickrud> teferi, and if I can make a feature request: per folder notification ;)
[03:45] <teferi> nickrud: doable, but not right now
[03:45] <nickrud> first things first, I guess
[03:45] <teferi> yeah
[03:45] <teferi>  the dbus signal says what folder the mail is in, so it's just a matter of parsing
[03:46] <JDahl> julz, I tried to boot both Debian and Ubuntu from a USB harddrive about a year ago, but I could never get it to work... Installation went smoothly, but the boot process stopped halfway through
[03:46] <nickrud> there was a thing (flink?) that I used for a bit, but was just too darn hard to keep in sync, and was extremely buggy
[03:46] <IIIEars> Adding Ubuntu to a second spare disk seems to be the way to go as windows will fdisk your ubuntu in a heartbeat with a one of those frequently needed reinstalls.
[03:47] <DukGalNamu> i got a quick couple of questions, does ubuuntu have good wireless support for laptops?
[03:47] <julz> JDahl: what do you suggest then?
[03:47] <damneinstien> does anyone know if ubuntu has released the new patches for firefox and gaim?
[03:47] <tritium> damneinstien, not for firefox 1.0.5
[03:47] <damneinstien> for gaim?
[03:47] <tritium> damneinstien, don't believe so
[03:47] <JDahl> julz, I am suggesting anyway - just saying it didnt work for me - and I put alot of effort
[03:48] <teferi> how the hell is dpkg running out of memory?!
[03:48] <JDahl> into it
[03:48] <damneinstien> DukGalNamu, great support for laptops. personally running centrino
[03:48] <tritium> DukGalNamu, it depends on the chipset
[03:48] <tritium> DukGalNamu, for example, Airport Extreme on Apple laptops is not supported
[03:48] <JDahl> julz, erm... I am not suggesting anything
[03:48] <julz> but how did u solve ur problem?
[03:49] <JDahl> julz, I didnt
[03:49] <IIIEars> tritium - no wrappers for aiport extreme?
[03:49] <DukGalNamu> tritium: but a basic PC laptop should be supported..
[03:49] <IIIEars> eye stile canned spell
[03:49] <tritium> IIIEars, no
[03:49] <DukGalNamu> ok then does ubuntu have any remote testing software for systems?
[03:49] <DukGalNamu> mmmm i love canned spell....
[03:49] <tritium> DukGalNamu, in general
[03:49] <JDahl> julz, at that time there was something wrong the Sarge's stock initrd, I dont know if it's fixed now
[03:50] <tritium> bob2, how long will you be down under?
[03:50] <teferi> noooo, session-saver didn't...
[03:50] <sizzam> anyone use nzb files for newsgroups?
[03:50] <DukGalNamu> tell me if that was not clear enough
[03:50] <julz> JDahl: so it may work?
[03:51] <JDahl> julz, there's only one way to find out ;)
[03:52] <DukGalNamu> ok let me try again, is there any type of remotes system diagnostic tools for ubuntu (for diagnosing computers that i were to connect to the ubuntu machine)
[03:52] <julz> no way! i just wiped my other hard drive.
[03:53] <DukGalNamu> julz: was it ext2?
[03:53] <tritium> DukGalNamu, you can always setup a ssh server on the ubuntu machine
[03:54] <julz> windows. i used partition magic to resize the ntfs so i could install linux, now i want an external so i dont destroy it again
[03:54] <DukGalNamu> tritium: what i want is to be able to hook the ubuntu machine up to a not to good working machine and diagnose any problems it ay be having...
[03:55] <tritium> DukGalNamu, I'm not aware of anything like that
[03:55] <DukGalNamu> hmm.....
[03:55] <DukGalNamu> sad
[03:56] <DukGalNamu> tritium: but i could use it to diagnose a problem with a network right?
[03:56] <tritium> DukGalNamu, yes
[03:56] <DukGalNamu> tritium: at least i could do that much :P
[03:57] <DukGalNamu> tritium: do you know of any other utalitarian uses of an ubuntu laptop?
[03:57] <tritium> DukGalNamu, I could hardly enumerate them all ;)
[03:57] <nalioth> DukGalNamu: use the LiveCD
[03:57] <levander> Anybody has a link to that wiki where they're talking about what they're going to do in Ubuntu for Breezy? I'm working on a backup strategy and think I remember them standardizing on a backup tool for Breezy in there.
[03:58] <MIK3MAN> I just installed ubuntu and my X will not start up... can someone try and help me here
[03:58] <MIK3MAN> I am going to reboot
[03:58] <nalioth> MIK3MAN: no need to reboot
[03:58] <DukGalNamu> nalioth: but that doesn't accomplish what i need, and that is a complete, standalone point where i can access anything i need about another computer
[03:58] <tritium> MIK3MAN, which video chipset?
[03:59] <MIK3MAN> ati rage pro
[03:59] <nalioth> DukGalNamu: what OS is on the other computer?
[03:59] <tritium> MIK3MAN, did you follow http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[03:59] <DukGalNamu> MIK3MAN: make sure your mouse is plugged in and that you plugged both your mouse and keyboard in BEFORE you started up
[03:59] <MIK3MAN> tritium: not yet, but I will
[03:59] <DukGalNamu> nalioth: most likely it will be a winbloze
[03:59] <chaps0063> what is a good application to remote desktop to windows machines besides rdesktop?
[04:00] <tritium> MIK3MAN, I'm not sure you want to.  I don't know if Rage Pro is supported with fglrx.  That's why I'm asking.
[04:00] <kjon> I need help compiling gnomebaker 0.4. Anybody can help me???
[04:00] <nalioth> DukGalNamu: so what do you want to know about the 'not-so-good" system?
[04:00] <thoreauputic> kjon: gnomebaker is in ubuntu
[04:00] <thoreauputic> kjon: you don't need to compile it
[04:00] <kjon> thoreauputic: Have you seen the features of gnomebaker 0.4???
[04:00] <bimberi> chaps0063: vnc
[04:00] <nalioth> tritium: the VESA driver will operate his video successfully
[04:01] <tritium> nalioth, thank you...
[04:01] <DukGalNamu> nalioth: basically, check hard drive, irg problems, mobo problems, etc
[04:01] <DukGalNamu> nalioth: *irq
[04:01] <thoreauputic> kjon: ah my  bad - I didn't read the version number, sorry
[04:01] <nalioth> DukGalNamu: the LiveCd will do that, as will the new knoppix
[04:01] <nickrud> levander, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[04:01] <teferi> yay, completely undocumented stuff...
[04:01] <chaps0063> bimberi: vncserver or xvncviewer
[04:01] <flodine> can someone tell me way i cant use gaim 1.4
[04:01] <DukGalNamu> nalioth: but i can't do it from another computer remotly?
[04:01] <teferi> the state of the gnome docs is a tragedy
[04:01] <MIK3MAN> tritium: hmmm, another problem wiki points me to apt-get, but I have to configure my wireless still... grrrr
[04:02] <levander> nickrud: thanks
[04:02] <kjon> gnomebaker is quite cool. But, the "./configure" shows me an error about a "vorbisfile.pc" file...
[04:02] <bimberi> chaps0063: vncserver on the m/c you want to control, viewer on the controlling m/c
[04:02] <kjon> I heard that those files are related to pkg-config. But, I don't know how to get that damned file.
[04:02] <nickrud> google to the rescue :)
[04:02] <nalioth> DukGalNamu: windows is not a "network operating system" for one, and two if it's not working well, adding extra connectivity features to it isnt gonna help
[04:02] <tritium> MIK3MAN, please don't follow that wiki page.  Rage Pro is not supported by fglrx.  nalioth pointed out that you likely want the VESA driver
[04:02] <teferi> i've been googling for half an hour now
[04:02] <thoreauputic> !find vorbisfile.pc
[04:03] <teferi> i may just have to dig through the source, which we all know is the /best/ way of learning a new language and new api
[04:03] <nickrud> ah, but I knew it existed :)
[04:03] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'vorbisfile.pc' (1 shown): (/usr/lib/pkgconfig/vorbisfile.pc) in libdevel/libvorbis-dev.
[04:03] <DukGalNamu> nalioth: what about remote burn in?
[04:03] <kjon> thoreauputic: Didn't work. Even if I tried to install some vorbis-devel packages...
[04:03] <nalioth> DukGalNamu: you need "the ultimate boot cd" it has burnin capability
[04:03] <MIK3MAN> tritium: ok, so just get the proper driver?? I dont understand why this happened, I used the live cd for 2 days and it detected the proper driver
[04:03] <tritium> kjon, you installed libvorbis-dev?
[04:04] <thoreauputic> kjon: I think ubotu just gave ab abswer though...
[04:04] <sizzam> grrrrrr, i can't get firefox to start
[04:04] <redtech> anyone know of a simple,small quotation/invoice program?
[04:04] <kjon> I tried with apt, but I couldn't find anything...
[04:04] <thoreauputic> *an answer
[04:04] <DukGalNamu> nalioth: so ultimate boot cd and new knoppix...
[04:04] <tritium> MIK3MAN, the installer should have.  Can we please see your /etc/X11/xorg.conf?  Please paste it on pastebin
[04:04] <MIK3MAN> rage pro is very popular chipset
[04:04] <sizzam> i see 'starting firefox' in my window list, and then it disappears
[04:04] <DukGalNamu> nalioth: what if i am faced with a client... with no cd or disk access..?
[04:04] <kjon> So? what should I do? make a few prays and give my life to apt?
[04:04] <MIK3MAN> tritium: I am on a separate machine, winblows xp
[04:04] <snackalot> Anbody know y package manager wont open when i have wine running
[04:05] <tritium> MIK3MAN, okay
[04:05] <IIIEars> there is a "Free iso burner powertoy" available for windows written by alex feinmann
[04:05] <teferi> eternal love to someone who can help me figure out how to do a notification area icon in python...
[04:05] <thoreauputic> kjon: install libvorbis-dev  ?
[04:05] <DukGalNamu> or a bootleg alcohol
[04:05] <nalioth> DukGalNamu: go and check out the featureset on "tubcd" and you may not need knoppix or ubuntu-live
[04:06] <DukGalNamu> nalioth: tubcd....
[04:06] <IIIEars> alcohol 120% is terrific
[04:06] <caonex> what are you suppose to do when hal is not running? How can one restart it?
[04:06] <nalioth> DukGalNamu: The Ultimate Boot CD
[04:06] <nalioth> DukGalNamu: typing out the same thing all the time leads to stress
[04:06] <nickrud> 120% O-0
[04:06] <DukGalNamu> nalioth: hehe, i see...
[04:07] <enum> hi.. I jjust completed an install of ubuntu, and xmms will "play" with alsa enabled, but no sound.. I get system sounds, and such.. Any ideas?
[04:07] <IIIEars> Faxes nalioth two aspirin and a cold pepsi
[04:07] <kjon> Reading package lists... Done
[04:07] <kjon> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:07] <kjon> E: Couldn't find package libvorbis-dev
[04:07] <nickrud> enum, you need to set xmms to use esd
[04:07] <DukGalNamu> enum: turn up the volume?
[04:07] <enum> nickrud, why ESD?
[04:07] <cwillu> if I say uqm, does anybody here know what I'm talking about?
[04:07] <nalioth> MIK3MAN: on your video, log in and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and when you get to the driver section, choose VESA (make sure you choose the rez options you want, also)
[04:07] <bob2> tritium: hah, I live here
[04:08] <damneinstien> enum, thats a problem with ubuntu not accepting sounds from more than 1 source
[04:08] <tritium> bob2, oh, didn't realize that.  Sorry :)
[04:08] <nickrud> enum, that's the sound server for gnome, and see damneinstien
[04:08] <gyaresu_> bob2, what time zone are you in?
[04:08] <kjon> damneinstien: I had the same trouble! - I fixed installing the alsa libraries!
[04:08] <enum> hmm.. changed it in xmms, and still no sound
[04:08] <MIK3MAN> nalioth: thanks, gimme a min
[04:09] <bob2> gyaresu_: +10
[04:09] <kjon> enum: With the multimedia selector, pick alsa instead osd!
[04:09] <damneinstien> i followed a guide on ubuntuforums
[04:09] <damneinstien> im trying to find it for enum
[04:09] <nickrud> !sound
[04:09] <ubotu> well, sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[04:09] <cwillu> suppose I'm safe bringing libc6 up to 2.3.2.ds1-21 from 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu?
[04:09] <gyaresu_> bob2, same. figures.
[04:09] <kjon> !libvorbis-dev
[04:09] <ubotu> kjon: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:09] <kevin> now I remember why I quit using windblows, it eats the CPU baddddddddddd
[04:09] <snackalot> i cant get xmm to work at all thought i had all drivers in but dont no
[04:09] <nickrud> !sound
[04:09] <damneinstien> enum try: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[04:10] <kjon> !libvorbis
[04:10] <ubotu> I don't know, kjon
[04:10] <nalioth> kjon: you want !info libvorbis-dev
[04:10] <snackalot> yes
[04:10] <chaps0063> bimberi: so I have xvncviewer installed but I can't get to my windows desktop.
[04:10] <cwillu> anybody?
[04:10] <snackalot> thanks
[04:10] <kjon> T-T I can't compile gnomebaker T-T :'(
[04:10] <cwillu> chaps0063:  you have a vnc server running on your windows machine?
[04:10] <nalioth> cwillu: i'd leave it alone. libc6 runs your box
[04:10] <Steve0>  Does anyone know how to keep movies' audio/video in sync in various Linux players? I'm trying to play a series of movies that play fine in Windows.
[04:10] <kjon> where is that damed libvorbis-devel (or dev) --- I can't find it anywhere!
[04:10] <nalioth> cwillu: and changing anything about it could kill the box
[04:10] <nickrud> kjon, good advice, if his card can do hardware mixing of multiple sound streams
[04:10] <cwillu> and my box does nothing importatn
[04:10] <chaps0063> cwillu: no, thats why I figured it wouldn't work...I was hoping to just use remote desktop.
[04:11] <snackalot> use search
[04:11] <bimberi> chaps0063: Hm - I may have misunderstood your Q - you will need to install vncserver on the remote m/c
[04:11] <cwillu> chaps0063:  download ultravnc for the windows box
[04:11] <tritium> kjon, main repo
[04:11] <cwillu> then you should be able to connect just fine
[04:11] <chaps0063> bimberi: ok...np
[04:11] <flodine> can i upgrade my gaim 1.4
[04:11] <chaps0063> cwillu: well not every machine I am going to use I have vnc installed on.
[04:11] <damneinstien> anyone know about directx 9.0 w/wine?
[04:11] <bimberi> chaps0063: apologies :)
[04:11] <kjon> ok, I'll try that... t-T
[04:11] <sizzam> i can't get firefox to start for my account.  it works for  a different account on this machine.  ive killed my .mozilla folder, still wont start, any suggestions?
[04:11] <cwillu> chaps0063:  what's the context?
[04:11] <flodine> hello help
[04:11] <gyaresu_> Steve0, i found the same prob last night.
[04:12] <cwillu> i.e., I've got a script to remote install vnc if you have admin
[04:12] <kjon> !info libvorbis-dev
[04:12] <chaps0063> cwillu: the network admin won't like that.
[04:12] <ubotu> libvorbis-dev: (The Vorbis General Audio Compression Codec (development files)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 446 kB, Installed size: 1996 kB
[04:12] <gyaresu_> Steve0, no solution though.
[04:12] <cwillu> if it's 2k+, you can just use remote desktop
[04:12] <snackalot> can someone tell me how to install bin. file
[04:12] <chaps0063> cwillu: I can do that, but I was hoping for something with an interface similar to windows' remote desktop app
[04:13] <Zerboxx> how well does partitioning work within ubuntu?  I currently have a dual boot system, and I want to move files from my windows partition to ubuntu's and then remove windows.  How well will this all work out?
[04:13] <kevin> I use it all of the time at work (RDP) that is
[04:13] <cwillu> ...
[04:13] <tritium> snackalot, what is it, if I may ask?
[04:13] <damneinstien> zerboxx, mount ur ntfs partition and copy files over
[04:13] <cwillu> interet | terminal server client is what you're looking for I think
[04:13] <chaps0063> cwillu: never mind, its terminal server client.
[04:13] <cwillu> :p
[04:13] <chaps0063> cwillu: lol.
[04:13] <Zerboxx> damneinstien: alright, and after they're all on the ubuntu partition?
[04:14] <DukGalNamu> nalioth: hmm, you are right, thats cool...
[04:14] <snackalot> well i would like to install bin files and tar and dnh
[04:14] <damneinstien> then format the windows partition
[04:14] <caonex> i am running ubuntu but when i log in to gnome, my desktop is basically empty. It only has the two bars, empty, and a empty background as well.
[04:14] <Zerboxx> damneinstien: and when that is combined to my current linux partition it will all work nicely?
[04:14] <levander> okay, not much on the breezy wiki about backing up, it's going to be a Windows System Restore thing.  Anybody with recommendations on how to backup serveral directories on my Ubuntu box?  What utilities to use?  I want to backup to DVD-RW
[04:14] <caonex> I read in the xsessionerrors that it has to do with hal and gnome=device-manager
[04:14] <caonex> any ideas?
[04:14] <kevin> ok, later all it is time for my shower and maybe some sleep will worklol
[04:15] <cwillu> sleep's overrated
[04:15] <Burgundavia> levander, there is a guide here --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BackupYourSystem
[04:15] <enum> hmm.. tried the multimedia selector.. maybe I am doing something wrong
[04:15] <Burgundavia> levander, but be caeeful with it
[04:15] <swos> Hi, I have a quick question regarding APT.  Any takers?
[04:15] <damneinstien> zerboxx: I never did that : (.. all i did was create another ext3 and had another partition running besides /
[04:15] <cwillu> shoot
[04:15] <nickrud> swos, sure, I'll bite
[04:15] <chaps0063> cwillu: that is what I was looking for...thanks for the help..
[04:15] <cwillu> np
[04:15] <chaps0063> cwillu: I'm getting closer and closer to dropping windows..
[04:15] <cwillu> heh
[04:15] <cwillu> I know the feeling
[04:15] <chaps0063> if I can get the tablet to work on this laptop, its gone.
[04:16] <kevogod> I dropped Windows awhile ago. No looking back.
[04:16] <axis> hoy
[04:16] <cwillu> hoy hoy
[04:16] <MIK3MAN> nalioth: I tried that command you gave me a few times, I keep getting "conflicting actions --control and --remove"
[04:16] <kevogod> Although I am not using Ubuntu... heh
[04:16] <chaps0063> kevogod: I have a tablet pc, the tablet doesnt work so I still like that..
[04:16] <snackalot> how to install real player
[04:16] <swos> I've just upgraded my system from woody.  My sources.list file was overwritten with the default Ubuntu sources.list (I assume this is what happened).  If I attempt to uncomment any of the lines with remote servers and run apt-get update, I receive an error stating that the connection was refused.  Any ideas what could be causing this?
[04:16] <nickrud> snackalot, advice here will depend on what you're installing
[04:16] <axis> what different kernels are there for amd64
[04:16] <levander> Burgundavia: they recommend using tar to back everything up, I was thinking of doing incremental backups
[04:16] <nalioth> tritium: have you seen MIK3MAN's errors with dpkg?
[04:16] <axis> i can't find anything on ubuntulinux.org about it
[04:16] <swos> (Upgraded to hoary.)
[04:16] <tritium> nalioth, no, let me scroll up...thanks
[04:17] <nickrud> swos, I have bitten more thain I can chew, wood->hoary is very hoary :)
[04:17] <cwillu> swos, you still have network on that machine?
[04:17] <axis> i'm running amd64-generic, but i think there's a kernel for the k8
[04:17] <swos> nickrud: hehe, gotcha.
[04:17] <swos> cwells: Indeed.
[04:17] <Burgundavia> levander, a simple backup solution is coming
[04:17] <tritium> MIK3MAN, what command did you run?
[04:17] <snackalot> settrack-3.1.5.tar.gz and y dos it matter dont u do it the same every time???
[04:17] <MIK3MAN> tritium: I can go into the x11 directory and manually edit, if you help
[04:17] <Burgundavia> levander, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleBackupSolution
[04:17] <MIK3MAN> :O)
[04:17] <kevogod> chaps0063: What Tablet PC do you have?
[04:17] <cwillu> first things first, can you ping those hosts?
[04:17] <swos> cwells: I thought the list of servres may have changed, so I attempted to hunt those down.  No dice.
[04:17] <chaps0063> kevogod: Fujitsu Lifebook T4010D
[04:17] <nickrud> !info settrack
[04:18] <chaps0063> kevogod: its sweet.
[04:18] <MIK3MAN> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:18] <tritium> MIK3MAN, trying to.  what were you doing with dpkg?
[04:18] <levander> Burgundavia: yeah, i just read about that, but not until breezy.  And, it's just a bounty task.  Who knows if the random guy will come through for the bounty.
[04:18] <swos> cwells: Just a sec.
[04:18] <Burgundavia> levander, he is being paid 4500 USD by google to do it
[04:18] <MIK3MAN> trying to set the normal vesa driver
[04:18] <swos> cwells: Yes, I can.
[04:18] <chaps0063> kevogod: tablet, modem (read that most fujitsu modems don't work), and brightness control don't work.
[04:18] <kevogod> chaps006: What kind of problems are you running into?
[04:18] <MIK3MAN> so I can get in x
[04:18] <kjon> I tried to look for libvorbis-devel with synaptic. The most similar match was "libvorbis0" (or something like that), but I couldn't find anything related to "libvorbis-devel" (even with the information of the bot). What can I do?
[04:18] <chaps0063> kevogod: the simple fact I have no clue how to get it to work. :-)
[04:18] <kevogod> (answered I see)
[04:18] <cwillu> can you paste in one of the repo lines?
[04:19] <levander> Burgundavia: $4500?? It's going to take only three weeks to do it? $4500 isn't much.
[04:19] <cwillu> I'll double check it on my machine
[04:19] <kevogod> So it boots all up and everything, just those won't work?
[04:19] <Burgundavia> levander, is part of google Summer of Code
[04:19] <chaps0063> kevogod: oh yes, it works great but those things.
[04:19] <enum> ugh
[04:19] <levander> Burgundavia: what does that mean, that it's being done by a college student?
[04:19] <tritium> kjon, make sure you have a proper /etc/apt/sources.list, and that you've clicked "Reload" to start
[04:19] <Burgundavia> levander, yes
[04:19] <nalioth> tritium: MIK3MAN is trying to reconfigure xserver to VESA
[04:19] <levander> Burgundavia: Summer of Code doesn't sound like a promise that it'll be done.
[04:20] <Burgundavia> levander, no, but it is likely
[04:20] <Burgundavia> 4500 is a lot of money
[04:20] <tritium> nalioth, yeah.  I've not seen that error before...
[04:20] <kevogod> chaps0063: Have you tried http://linmodems.org/?
[04:20] <chaps0063> kevogod: not really, the modem isn't high on my priority list of things to get to work
[04:20] <chaps0063> kevogod: but I will check it out.
[04:20] <kjon> tritium: I added to my repositories' list all the ubuntu 5.04 related servers....
[04:20] <enum> got  it
[04:20] <tritium> MIK3MAN, did you just install?  did it complete?
[04:20] <nalioth> MIK3MAN: did you do a server install, by chance?
[04:20] <levander> $4500? $60K/year is very cheap for a programmer in the US for a programmer.  And, $4500 isn't even one month if you make $60K/year
[04:20] <swos> cwillu: I feel rather silly now.. it's working.
[04:21] <tritium> kjon, did you update the list of packages?
[04:21] <cwillu> heh :)
[04:21] <swos> cwillu: For whatever reason.
[04:21] <cwillu> no problem :p
[04:21] <chaps0063> kevogod: I want the tablet to work but I just don't know how to go about it.
[04:21] <chaps0063> kevogod: like who to talk to, etc.
[04:21] <swos> Thanks, though ;)
[04:21] <teferi> #!%#!%ing lack of docs
[04:21] <kjon> tritium: Yes, I did. I do that three times a week.
[04:21] <cwillu> any time :)
[04:21] <swos> I'll probably hang out in here for a while.  I'm sure I'm bound to find some other snags.
[04:21] <levander> Anybody know of a solution to do incremental backups to a DVD-RW?
[04:21] <tritium> teferi, for which package?
[04:21] <teferi> tritium: python-gnome2-extras{-dev}
[04:21] <chaps0063> swos: I hang out here so that when I break something, I don't have to run that far.
[04:22] <tritium> teferi, nothing good under /usr/share/doc ?
[04:22] <teferi> tritium: i've been using debian and derivatives for seven years now, that's the second place i check...
[04:22] <tritium> ;)
[04:22] <MIK3MAN> nalioth: I did a normal install
[04:22] <tritium> MIK3MAN, did it complete succesfully?
[04:22] <teferi> anyway, I have the FFI defs right here
[04:22] <teferi> which you'd think would be helpful
[04:22] <swos> chaps0063: Yeah.  After documentation fails, it's certainly nice to have live help.
[04:22] <teferi> but aren't
[04:22] <chaps0063> swos: documentation ? ;-)
[04:23] <bojangles> does anybody know where the #tex channel is.
[04:23] <tritium> we don't need no stinkin documentation
[04:23] <chaps0063> swos: to me. documentation = #ubuntu
[04:23] <chaps0063> lol.
[04:23] <swos> lol
[04:23] <snackalot> how can i installrealplayer
[04:23] <swos> I like to refer to the docs before I come in here and make an ass of myself is all ;)
[04:23] <tritium> bojangles, what's your tex question?
[04:23] <MIK3MAN> tritium: I did get one error that said it was unsuccessful, then it brought me to the main menu and I chose base install I think it was called
[04:23] <tritium> swos, that's a good policy.  I was merely joking
[04:23] <teferi> wonder if there's a pygtk irc channel, hm.
[04:24] <teferi> yep.
[04:24] <swos> tritium: heh, yes, I know.
[04:24] <teferi> i'll go give *them* a piece of my mind
[04:24] <chaps0063> snackalot: sudo apt-get install realplayer
[04:24] <bojangles> tritium, well i am trying to figure out what directory is the tex-input directory for the files srctlx.sty and srctex.sty
[04:24] <tritium> MIK3MAN, do you recall the error?
[04:24] <MIK3MAN> tritium: the base install completed ok and it then installed the grub ok
[04:24] <chaps0063> snackalot: but make sure you visit http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories and add then.
[04:24] <snackalot> thank you verry mutch!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:24] <Burgundavia> chaps0063, please don't recommend ubuntuguide.org
[04:24] <chaps0063> Burgundavia: why?
[04:24] <Ubuntuguide> rock!
[04:25] <Ubuntuguide> is best !
[04:25] <Burgundavia> chaps0063, some incorrect info with no explanations
[04:25] <Burgundavia> chaps0063, the wiki is better
[04:25] <tritium> bojangles, where they installed from a particular package?
[04:25] <bojangles> tritium, do you have any idea what directory to place those files in.
[04:25] <MIK3MAN> tritium: said something like not being able to completely install all the packages,"maybe a bad cd" is what it said
[04:25] <chaps0063> snackalot: never mind ubuntuguide..
[04:25] <bojangles> tritium, no...kile installation is still bad...so i had to go get the files but where to put them?
[04:25] <gyaresu_> Burgundavia, chaps0063 the wiki is incomplete. more of US need to be adding to the wiki.
[04:25] <ukato> i'm having some trouble getting my wireless card to work. my computer can see my card, but i don't have access to my network or the internet
[04:25] <ukato> any ideas
[04:26] <damneinstien> what card ukato?
[04:26] <MIK3MAN> tritium: I figured it was my wireless network
[04:26] <ukato> something by airlink101
[04:26] <tritium> bojangles, for system-wide, you can use /usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex
[04:26] <bojangles> tritium, i found the files inside kdvi...but i am not sure where to put them so tex will know they are available
[04:26] <ukato> model is AWLH4030
[04:26] <MIK3MAN> tritium: it gave me the option to hit enter to continue
[04:26] <bojangles> tritium, that will be fine...let me try that
[04:26] <tritium> bojangles, for just your user, under ~/texmf/tex/latex
[04:26] <damneinstien> ukato: never worked w/airlink..
[04:26] <jasoncohen> does anyone else notice that gnome-system-monitor in Hoary loses its settings each time the program is restarted? I removed a few process columns and enabled a few, and after restarting the program, the settings had reverted back to default.
[04:27] <tritium> bojangles, don't forget to run texhash after you install them
[04:27] <jasoncohen> are you guys seeing the same issue?
[04:27] <ukato> damn
[04:27] <light_punch2> does *.deb packages works with ubuntu?
[04:27] <tritium> MIK3MAN, that does not sound good
[04:27] <damneinstien> light_punch2: yes
[04:27] <jasoncohen> i created a new bug report because there wasn't one for this issue
[04:27] <nalioth> light_punch2: its not advised to use non official debs in ubuntu
[04:27] <tritium> light_punch2, yes, that's wht ubuntu uses, but you shouldn't mix .debs from various distributions.  You should use ubuntu .debs
[04:27] <gyaresu_> light_punch2, damneinstien : they just may break things...
[04:28] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, I just noticed your bug. The breezy version will not save across sessions
[04:28] <axis> ANY confirmed SATA installs with 32bit i/o
[04:28] <MIK3MAN> yeah I know, I think I'm gonna look for a diff distro, I was running ok with Mepis and fluxblox, but I thought I would give ubuntu a shot
[04:28] <light_punch2> ok, cause i have a few debian ISOs / cdRs here.
[04:28] <snackalot> hay chaps thanks that helped alot it realey helps to know were to go for info
[04:28] <chaps0063> snackalot: np.
[04:29] <MIK3MAN> what do you guys think of xfce?? I never tried it
[04:29] <axis> ANY confirmed SATA installs with 32bit i/o
[04:29] <axis> ANY confirmed SATA installs with 32bit i/o
[04:29] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, if you change the settings, close the program and restart it in the same session, do the settings remain or are they reverted back to default?
[04:29] <tritium> MIK3MAN, it's probably a bad burn.  Make sur ethe CD image you have is good
[04:29] <axis> xfce is lame
[04:29] <axis> so bare
[04:29] <chaps0063> !repeating
[04:29] <ubotu> No idea, chaps0063
[04:29] <teferi> ah, god bless irc
[04:29] <axis> too bare
[04:29] <teferi> found sample code
[04:29] <axis> i feel naked with xcfe
[04:29] <chaps0063> !repeat
[04:29] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, the changes remain within one sessin
[04:29] <jasoncohen> MIK3MAN, you should verify the MD5 sum before burning
[04:29] <tritium> axis, please don't repeat
[04:29] <ubotu> chaps0063: Are you smoking crack?
[04:29] <kahles1> some people like bare wms :)
[04:29] <light_punch2> the archive utility mount the ISOs fine, considering that, it's from an external harddrive formatted as NTFS.
[04:29] <kahles1> im using fluxbox here
[04:29] <Madpilot> axis: stop repeating yourself, pls. but yes, I'm on a SATA HDD right now...
[04:29] <gyaresu_> axis, hdparm doesn't seem to give clear info back but i get constant ~50-66MB/sec
[04:29] <axis> ha gah
[04:29] <MIK3MAN> does that mean I have to redownload the image?? or just reburn??
[04:30] <light_punch2> MIK3MAN, download a live cd with xfce on it.
[04:30] <tritium> MIK3MAN, first check its md5sum
[04:30] <axis> Madpilot:  i'm on a msi k8t neo2 plat. running 1 maxtor 16mb cache 250gig SATA . it installs great, dma enables, 32 bit io .. nope
[04:30] <MIK3MAN> tritium: I know K3B auto does that, but what about windows?
[04:30] <tritium> MIK3MAN, I don't use windows, and can't say.
[04:30] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, ok, well i did a bug report. we'll see if anything happens. does ubuntu have enough developers to go through all the bug reports- especially on packages in universe? Each debian package has its own maintainer, and I almost always get some response/fix when i report bugs on debian packages.
[04:30] <MIK3MAN> lol
[04:30] <axis> my hdparm is hdparm -d1 -c3 -a64 -X66 -k1 /dev/sda
[04:31] <gyaresu_> axis, md5sum.exe for windows (google)
[04:31] <nalioth> MIK3MAN: there is a livecd with xfce for its UI
[04:31] <jasoncohen> i actualy just received an email saying that a minor bug i reported on debian's openvpn package has been fixed
[04:31] <gyaresu_> axis, sorry. not you.
[04:31] <MIK3MAN> light_punch2: I used the live cd for ubuntu and liked it... look where I am now... I cant get into X
[04:31] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, basically these kinds of bugs get filed upstream with gnome directly
[04:31] <axis> hehe ok.. i was confused hehe
[04:31] <gyaresu_> MIK3MAN, md5sum.exe for windows (google)
[04:31] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, and then when gnome fixes it, it gets fixed in Ubuntu
[04:32] <axis> Madpilot: Do you have 32bit i/o enabled on your SATA ??
[04:32] <MIK3MAN> gyaresu_: thanks, I'll check the image
[04:32] <axis> Madpilot: and if so, how did you manager
[04:32] <tritium> MIK3MAN, that is very rare.  Something is likely wrong with your media.  ubuntu would not top distrowatch if it failed like that very often
[04:32] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, but little things like this are only fixed between distribution releases, right?
[04:32] <Madpilot> axis: haven't a clue. WTH is 32bit i/o? the damn thing works, that's all I care about...
[04:32] <jasoncohen> hoary-updates are only used for major bug fixes, correct?
[04:33] <kevogod> Security
[04:33] <nalioth> MIK3MAN: have you run apt-get since you installed?
[04:33] <gyaresu_> Maddy, hdparm
[04:33] <axis> Madpilot, : Your hard disk is running at half speed. drop to root console and type "hdparm /dev/sda"
[04:33] <jasoncohen> kevogod, yeah- i was referring to bug fixes-  not security fixes
[04:33] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, gnome is going to release 2.12, so I doubt any fixes will make it and therefor breezy. And you are correct about hoary-upgrades
[04:33] <MIK3MAN> nalioth: I have wireless, has to be configured
[04:33] <axis> and it will say HD_GET ERROR - 32bit i/o not enabled, defaulting to 16bit
[04:33] <MIK3MAN> brb, gonna test the image
[04:33] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, when is 2.12 supposed to get released?
[04:33] <nalioth> MIK3MAN: no ethernet port on your box?
[04:33] <identp> has anyone  ever had trouble with kopete?
[04:34] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/TwoPointEleven tells me Sept 7th
[04:34] <axis> /dev/sda: IO_support   =  0 (default 16-bit)
[04:34] <bojangles> tritium, yes...ok that fixed one problem just fine with kile...but still debian does not seem to have acroread...whatever that is for.
[04:34] <jasoncohen> btw, does mozilla's official firefox build allow updating firefox itself through its update tool?
[04:34] <Madpilot> axis, no ERROR msgs, but it says this: IO_support   =  0 (default 16-bit)
[04:34] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, Breezy already has the major features of .12, as the .11 develpment release
[04:34] <tritium> bojangles, debian, or ubuntu?
[04:34] <jasoncohen> i know the ubuntu package has it disabled
[04:34] <giant> anyone mind if I ask an OT question ?
[04:34] <kevogod> jasoncohen: No.
[04:34] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes, but it is disabled for ubuntu
[04:34] <bojangles> tritium, debian sarge
[04:35] <kevogod> (sorry, was assuming Ubuntu's version)
[04:35] <axis> Madpilot, : yah sorry, it says error when you type "hdparm -d1 -c3 -a64 -X66 -k1 /dev/sda"
[04:35] <tritium> bojangles, you can get it from marillat's repo
[04:35] <bojangles> tritium, ok i will try
[04:35] <gyaresu_> tritium, bojangles no.
[04:35] <nalioth> bojangles: but disable the repo when you are done
[04:35] <gyaresu_> tritium, bojangles user backports
[04:35] <gyaresu_> tritium, bojangles *use
[04:35] <tritium> gyaresu, he's not an ubuntu user
[04:35] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, ah, good. i don't like waiting for the security fixes to be backported to hoary by the security team and i find backport's firefox package to be underpar so i just installed 1.0.5 from the official build
[04:35] <tritium> gyaresu, he's using debian sarge
[04:35] <MIK3MAN> C:\DOCUME~1\MIKE\DESKTOP>md5sum ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[04:35] <MIK3MAN> f6b3f164c99761234858a4d2c12d0840 *ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[04:35] <ukato> with a wireless card, do you have to do any other configuration than what's in Networking in the Admin menu of GNOME
[04:35] <giant> I'm working my way through Spidering Hacksy by Oreilly, and they recommend you contact the site before running your spider/scraper
[04:35] <nickrud> axis, have you tried -c1?
[04:36] <gyaresu_> tritium, sorry.
[04:36] <MIK3MAN> does that mean it passed??
[04:36] <teferi> attn all waiting anxiously on the evolution mail applet thing: i should have a rough prototype tonight!
[04:36] <axis> nickrud, : yep
[04:36] <nalioth> MIK3MAN: no ethernet port on your box?
[04:36] <giant> would this include the sites used in the examples in the book?
[04:36] <tritium> gyaresu, no problem.  Also, backports are unofficial
[04:36] <nickrud> ok, that's my contribution :)
[04:36] <knowledge_> alrighty
[04:36] <axis> nickrud,   "hdparm -d1c1 /dev/sda" was what i got from hdparm
[04:36] <knowledge_> the reinstall went well
[04:36] <axis> man
[04:36] <giant> it makes sence that Oreilly would have gotten permission from them beforhand
[04:36] <gyaresu_> tritium, all the good stuff though ;)
[04:36] <nalioth> MIK3MAN: go to the ubuntu d/l page and compare your md5 with the one listed on the d/l page
[04:36] <axis> but the everything i've googled has crazy stuff .. like "hdparm -d1 -c3 -a64 -X66 -k1 /dev/sda"
[04:36] <tritium> gyaresu, I guess some people feel that way
[04:36] <Madpilot> axis: this isn't an AMD64 box, it's a K7. the 64 bit part might be your problem?
[04:36] <knowledge_> but I have a question....what does http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/654 <----Mean?
[04:36] <MIK3MAN> nalioth: yeah its got both, but I would have to dig out the old net cards and cat5
[04:37] <axis> Madpilot, : It installs fine, but it's only at 16 bit i/o like yours
[04:37] <axis> are you able to change your hd's IO to 32 bit?
[04:37] <tritium> knowledge_, please "sudo apt-get install build-essential" to install a compiler
[04:37] <MIK3MAN> brb
[04:37] <cafuego> axis: The crazy stuff tends to blow up controllers, just c1d1u1 should pop it in the optimal mode.
[04:37] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, just confirmed that it does save stuff across sessions as well
[04:37] <nalioth> MIK3MAN: i'd be interested in seeing what happens when you apt-get update/upgrade
[04:37] <Madpilot> axis: I'm not even going to try, frankly. it works, it's stable, and I'm not that speed obbsessed right now...
[04:37] <gyaresu_> nickrud, axis I don't now but seial drives seem to not work with hdparm. i have good speed but i returns the same PIO 0 that you've got
[04:37] <knowledge_> tritium, thank you kindly
[04:38] <tritium> sure :)
[04:38] <cafuego> axis: And yes, don believe what hdparm tells you about sata drives.
[04:38] <nalioth> tritium: dang you are quick
[04:38] <axis> HDIO_SET_32BIT failed: Invalid argument
[04:38] <giant> I'm having a problem playing .wmv's with mplayer
[04:38] <tritium> nalioth, heh, sometimes
[04:38] <nalioth> tritium: or my corner of the net is slow
[04:38] <axis> HDIO_SET_UNMASKINTR failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[04:38] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, cool- so i'll just backport gnome-system-monitor from breezy myself
[04:39] <axis> IO_support   =  0 (default 16-bit)
[04:39] <giant> I've tried installing the codecs and that helped for .mpg's but totem is buggered and mplayer still won't play .wmv's
[04:39] <nalioth> giant: you are out of luck with the newer wmv
[04:39] <cafuego> axis: hdparm is for pata drives. Not for sata or scsi (to a lesser extent).
[04:39] <chaps0063> is there any way to get hibernation to work?
[04:39] <pax> giant: which book are you talking about again?
[04:39] <axis> cafuego: so how do i check the transfer rate of my SATA drive?
[04:39] <giant> pax, Spidering Hacks
[04:39] <pax> giant: k
[04:39] <cafuego> axis: copy a large file and time it.
[04:39] <tritium> chaps0063, it should already.  is it not one of your logout options?
[04:40] <giant> pax, I didn't want to run a spider and have somone jumping my shlt for using an example in the book
[04:40] <axis> cafuego, : is there an easier way to get direct results through CLI ?
[04:40] <MIK3MAN> I dunno guys, I think I have a corrupt download, when I installed it didnt even ask me for a root pass... so I cant switch to root
[04:40] <kahles1> eh, does your kernal suport acpi chaps?
[04:40] <tritium> MIK3MAN, no, that's a feature.
[04:40] <cafuego> axis: Though 'hdparm -tT' might give you a fairly decent result. the other options mainly just don't apply to non-pata drives and controllers.
[04:40] <tritium> MIK3MAN, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:40] <pax> giant: wep, careful, and exemples in the book mean nothing
[04:40] <chaps0063> tritium: ah yes, it is...
[04:40] <tritium> excellent
[04:40] <chaps0063> tritium: however I don't know that it works.
[04:41] <nalioths_dog> MIK3MAN: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:41] <giant> pax, the ones I figured were safe were the ones looking at Oreilly's site and Cpan...
[04:41] <tritium> chaps0063, it usually does, provided you have a swap partition
[04:41] <axis> cafuego, : But if it's saying 16bit i/o, that's got to be what it means .. i mean how else do you check SATA drives ?
[04:41] <chaps0063> tritium: which I do.
[04:41] <cafuego> axis: If it really is PIO 16 bit,. youl get around 3MB/sec
[04:41] <nathanael> I need help - I think I'm addicted to Installs!!!!
[04:41] <tritium> chaps0063, I hope it will work for you, in that case
[04:41] <pax> giant: I would simply contact the person who wrote the book and ask
[04:41] <nathanael> I just re-installed ubuntu for the 3rd time...
[04:41] <axis> 3600 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1799.37 MB/sec
[04:42] <chaps0063> tritium: I tried it, screen went black then gave me pw prompt..
[04:42] <tritium> nathanael, why so often?
[04:42] <nickrud> giant, try doing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo
[04:42] <nathanael> ISthere something wrong with me?
[04:42] <cafuego> axis: You _don't_ check sata drives because they _don't_ do pio. 'hdparm' is OLD and doesn't KNOW about sata.
[04:42] <tritium> chaps0063, wich laptop?
[04:42] <pax> giant is it Carla Schrode?
[04:42] <nathanael> I just love that New System feel!
[04:42] <pax> giant is it Carla Schroder*?
[04:42] <chaps0063> tritium: Fujitsu Lifebook T4010D
[04:42] <nathanael> lol
[04:42] <cafuego> axis: That was memory speed, useless benchmark.
[04:42] <tritium> nathanael, well, glad there's no problem ;)
[04:42] <axis> cafuego:  pio = primary input output
[04:42] <giant> pax, I'll have to go get the book out of my car
[04:42] <nathanael> With the computer anyway...
[04:42] <nickrud> giant, if you have gotten w32codecs thru backports, use /usr/lib/win32/ as the source of the links
[04:42] <cafuego> axis: No, it's Programmed I/O
[04:43] <cafuego> axis: And it does not apply to sata (or scsi)
[04:43] <nathanael> Has anyone here used the HAIH?
[04:43] <axis> Timing buffered disk reads:  178 MB in  3.00 seconds =  59.32 MB/sec
[04:43] <pax> giant: nah never mind
[04:43] <tritium> chaps0063, you might check here, and HoaryPMResults as well: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//HoaryPM
[04:43] <nathanael> (after install helper)?
[04:43] <giant> pax, by Kevin Hemenway, Tara Calishain
[04:43] <axis> 180 megs a second, is that right
[04:43] <shad0w> hey guys, can anyone help me with mp3s on ubuntu
[04:43] <cafuego> axis: there you go. that's fairly normal.
[04:43] <bojangles> tritium, this is quite good...debian and ubuntu seem to work ok for a change
[04:43] <axis> i thought top speed was 150mb
[04:43] <giant> pax, ya I did all that,, totem is still buggered
[04:43] <tritium> bojangles, for a change?  You have frequent problems?
[04:43] <axis> cafuego, : thanks alot for the info
[04:43] <cafuego> axis: No.
[04:43] <kevin> did I miss soemthing?
[04:44] <tritium> bojangles, so are you using ubuntu then?
[04:44] <kevogod> My name is Kevin. What a coincidence.
[04:44] <axis> cafuego, : you say fairly normal.. put should be faster .. hmm..
[04:44] <bojangles> tritium, yes there were many problems with ubuntu....and a few with debian sarge
[04:44] <nathanael> shad0w: What's up?
[04:44] <gyaresu_> axis, and you'll only get 30MB/sec across a gigabit network.
[04:44] <kevin> lol
[04:44] <knowledge_> I never knew you could rebuild rpms as .deb
[04:44] <cafuego> axis: Twekaing sta with hdparm is like using a wrench to turn a small screw. Wrong tool.
[04:44] <axis> gyaresu, : really
[04:44] <nathanael> alien!!!
[04:44] <tritium> bojangles, what problems did you have?
[04:44] <cafuego> axis: Are you a gentoo user or something?
[04:44] <gyaresu_> axis, yes. and ~50MB/sec is fine.
[04:44] <bojangles> tritium, well acroread whatever that is is still missing on debian sarge.
[04:44] <MIK3MAN> ok, I read about the root thing... thats cool, but I still dont know what to do... try redownloading and burning the image maybe
[04:44] <shad0w> well mp3s wont play in xmms, and in the jukebox thing it says theres no plugin for it
[04:45] <bojangles> tritium, it does seem to be available on ubuntu
[04:45] <tritium> it is
[04:45] <gyaresu_> bojangles, it's the adobe reader 7. they renamed it.
[04:45] <knowledge_> who wants to help me for a minute or 2 before I disable my WiFi card again
[04:45] <cafuego> "Oh my god it's not as fast as yours, i must recompile and tweak it more lolol!"
[04:45] <axis> great analogy .. hehe ..  hmm.. i just wish there was another way to look at it
[04:45] <tritium> MIK3MAN, did the md5sum not match?
[04:45] <FormerWindowsUse> must i defrag my drive if im using ext3?
[04:45] <axis> but, hdparm says it enables DMA
[04:45] <bojangles> tritium, also i have to recompile smeg for debian sarge as it uses python2.4 instead of 2.3
[04:45] <nickrud> knowledge_, using alien is a last resort, there's usually a better way
[04:45] <axis> so do you think that's actually a correct report?
[04:45] <cafuego> axis: for PATA, not SATA.
[04:45] <axis> i only have 1 drive
[04:45] <bojangles> tritium, whereas it just works on ubuntu
[04:45] <knowledge_> nickrud, I see
[04:45] <tritium> bojangles, so has #ubuntu become a good debian support channel?
[04:46] <cafuego> axis: Then hdparm is not a useful tool for you in any way
[04:46] <MIK3MAN> tritium: I was on the ubuntu site, but they dont have the checksums posted
[04:46] <bojangles> tritium, well i like to have debian, gentoo, ubuntu, mepis working if possible
[04:46] <knowledge_> does anyone want to look over a how to that I used before, and see why it caused my wifi card to stop working?
[04:46] <axis> it wasn't enabled on a base install,  but once i added hdparm -d1 /dev/sda" in a startup script, it actually worked
[04:46] <shad0w> can someone tell me how i can get MP3's to play in ubuntu
[04:46] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, did you respond to my bug report? - https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12770
[04:46] <tritium> bojangles, I'm just curious, and don't mind you asking debian questions.
[04:46] <bimberi> shad0w: Hopefully this will help you - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:46] <axis> shad0w, : www.mp3.com
[04:46] <shad0w> thanks dude
[04:46] <cafuego> axis: That's probably a matter of a not-yet-mature driver.
[04:46] <axis> LOL
[04:47] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, closed it as fixed
[04:47] <FormerWindowsUse> must i defrag if im using ext3 fs?
[04:47] <kevin> knowledge, did you use madwifi?
[04:47] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, ok, just wondering
[04:47] <axis> cafuego, : so it could be running at half
[04:47] <tritium> FormerWindowsUse, nope
[04:47] <nickrud> FormerWindowsUse, no
[04:47] <gyaresu_> FormerWindowsUse, no.
[04:47] <FormerWindowsUse> thanks.
[04:47] <axis> i should be getting about 300mb/s
[04:47] <shad0w> i just switched from XP to ubuntu today ;o other than the mp3 thing its great
[04:47] <gyaresu_> FormerWindowsUse, it's a journaling filing system.
[04:47] <chaps0063> tritium: followed it, no dice.
[04:47] <axis> man
[04:47] <cafuego> You just didn't listehn at all.
[04:47] <tritium> MIK3MAN, see the file named "MD5SUMS"
[04:47] <nathanael> Why does my kernel always say "mounting TMPfs over /dev/..." at boot?
[04:47] <nickrud> if it's said three times, it must be true :)
[04:47] <tritium> chaps0063, did you look for any HoaryPMResults for your hardware?  Were there any?
[04:48] <axis> i know what you're saying, using hdparm to look at SATA is like using a paper towl tube with saran wrap and a drop of water to look at the rings on saturn
[04:48] <gyaresu_> axis, you don't know what you are talking about and cafuego is right.
[04:48] <axis> gyaresu, : thanks for the update
[04:48] <knowledge_> kevin, nah, it worked when I first installed ubuntu then I patched my kernel with a driver for my alps touchpad (just to get scrolling) and it stopped working
[04:48] <MIK3MAN> tritium: got it thanks
[04:48] <tritium> axis, please don't pester
[04:48] <gyaresu_> axis, s'aight.
[04:48] <axis> don't act all fucking tough
[04:48] <axis> it's not hard to get a shell
[04:48] <axis> and a vhost
[04:48] <chaps0063> tritium: not listed.
[04:48] <tritium> axis, relax, dude
[04:48] <kevin> knowledge: did you report the bug?
[04:49] <knowledge_> to who?
[04:49] <axis> Tritium stop telling me what to do
[04:49] <gyaresu_> axis, language please.
[04:49] <tritium> axis, please, don't be a jerk
[04:49] <axis> stfu
[04:49] <nickrud> axis, you don't want to go there
[04:49] <tritium> chaps0063, oh, sory
[04:49] <kevin> to the bug report built into ubuntu
[04:49] <axis> i doubt anyone in here is under 18
[04:49] <tritium> axis, last warning
[04:49] <axis> nickrud, : who are you, mr oc192 boy?
[04:49] <axis> lets get a gline right now
[04:49] <shad0w> actually
[04:49] <shad0w> im only 15
[04:49] <thoreauputic> axis: erm... tritium is an op in case you didn't notice
[04:49] <gyaresu_> axis, we're here to help.
[04:49] <nickrud> no, just a wanna be friend
[04:49] <chaps0063> tritium: were you here for wonderland?
[04:49] <knowledge_> no sir...kevin I didn't
[04:49] <Will_> ops can still be annoying
[04:49] <axis> lol
[04:49] <chaps0063> tritium: its like the total opposite...lol..
[04:50] <giant> I was about to say.... I'd hope people here were under 18
[04:50] <axis> true that
[04:50] <tritium> chaps0063, yeah, I saw that
[04:50] <kevin> I would, they will look it over
[04:50] <axis> giant, : why's that?
[04:50] <axis> giant, : so you can pm them?
[04:50] <knowledge_> I think the how to commands had something to do with it
[04:50] <axis> lol you perv
[04:50] <chaps0063> tritium: I don't know why no one has been touching this laptop..
[04:50] <shad0w> im 15 d:o
[04:50] <giant> because it shows an interest that the younger generation has in Linux and computers
[04:50] <nathanael> 22
[04:50] <axis> shad0w,  look out for giant  .. he's a ped
[04:50] <MIK3MAN> tritium: chesum matches.. could it be a setting in Nero that did it?? I remember switching to DAO instead of TAO
[04:51] <axis>   23
[04:51] <knowledge_> because people kept telling me that I had to recompile my kernel with the wifi drivers
[04:51] <shad0w> lol
[04:51] <shad0w> i love linux! :D
[04:51] <axis> shad0w, : ubuntu is the goods
[04:51] <shad0w> yea
[04:51] <giant> if a computer related chat room ends up having only 18+ people in it... it means the technical expertice of the next generation is sliipping
[04:51] <shad0w> i use it on both my comps
[04:51] <axis> shad0w, : if you want a challange, rung FREEBSD as your core, then VMware (or other free alternatives)
[04:51] <concept10> Anyone here recently switched from Windows to Linux? or just installed Ubuntu this week?
[04:51] <tritium> MIK3MAN, I suppose it's possible. Again, I don't use windows, and hence haven't used nero
[04:51] <giant> I'm not perv
[04:51] <giant> I just play one at work
[04:51] <shad0w> lol
[04:51] <memoryleek> concept10: i did
[04:51] <Will_> axis: fbsd is not difficult at all
[04:51] <chaps0063> concept10: close, I've had it for a little over a month.
[04:51] <kevin> I use it on my desktop and my laptop
[04:51] <shad0w> i hate challanges
[04:51] <aru> concept10: as did I
[04:51] <nathanael> I used it on my server...
[04:51] <axis> Will_,  I know, hardware support with it is though <:
[04:52] <axis> Will_, : i love freebsd
[04:52] <shad0w> ubuntu is refreshing, after so many years of windows
[04:52] <shad0w> and harder distros of linux ;o
[04:52] <MIK3MAN> hmmm, ok, I am going to redo it on an rw
[04:52] <axis> they've just changed the x-windows install
[04:52] <axis> i have to figure that out
[04:52] <Will_> axis: It depends on the HW, I guess
[04:52] <axis> what command it is
[04:52] <axis> to   xf86cfg now
[04:52] <Will_> axis: Don't use fbsd for desktops though. pointless
[04:52] <memoryleek> over the past 2 years linux has changed in leaps and bounds
[04:52] <nathanael> Apt is far superior to the windows install process...
[04:52] <axis> it's different
[04:52] <MIK3MAN> should I maybe try a server install?
[04:52] <concept10> Would you guys care to write me an email about what made you go ahead and take the linux plunge?
[04:52] <giant> I'm so used to useing KDE on other distro's athat I'm a bit lost in Gnome as of righ now but getting much better
[04:52] <axis> Will_, : i want it to run vmware, that is all. it will be my main file server
[04:52] <memoryleek> concept10: addy?
[04:52] <nathanael> Add Synaptic, and it just smokes XP altogether
[04:52] <axis> Will_, : i'm going to use open bsd as my gateway, and ubuntu/xp for my desktops
[04:52] <kevogod> FreeBSD can be used a Desktop system pretty easily
[04:53] <tritium> axis, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:53] <shad0w> have any of you had any luck gaming on ubuntu?
[04:53] <_DuDe_> Anyone seen HappyFool recently
[04:53] <concept10> Im trying to convince some small business and I need some stories
[04:53] <giant> I guess I could install K3B but I'd rather use the Gnome programmed tools for burning stuff
[04:53] <axis> tritium, : that works for freeBSD ?
[04:53] <tritium> Will_, hopefully you haven't found that to be the case...
[04:53] <nathanael> concept10: There's a million online already...
[04:53] <tritium> axis, no, for ubuntu
[04:53] <aru> kevogod: as can PCBSD :)
[04:53] <kahles1> I used to play cs 1.6 on slackware regularlly
[04:53] <axis> _DuDe_, : last time i saw him was last night about midnight i think
[04:53] <kahles1> havent treid source yet thou
[04:53] <thoreauputic> concept10: worth pressing the advantages of the lack of malware
[04:53] <Will_> tritium: HHm?
[04:53] <kevogod> Yes, but I prefer the real thing aru.
[04:53] <concept10> It doesnt have to be a long story, just want made you try Ubuntu and how its been so far
[04:53] <shad0w> awesome
[04:53] <axis> Will_, :  Kde installs fine with freebsd
[04:54] <giant> i'm thinking of installing an playing with Solaris 10 for x86 but not sure what good it would do me
[04:54] <axis> Will_, : and gnome
[04:54] <shad0w> im going to try half-life 2 on winex later
[04:54] <tritium> Will_, regarding your earlier comment about annoying ops
[04:54] <memoryleek> concept10: sure
[04:54] <axis> lol
[04:54] <concept10> nathanael, I know that.  I want some recent switchers
[04:54] <giant> don't you have to pay for winx?
[04:54] <_DuDe_> axis, Thanks!
[04:54] <giant> winx = winex
[04:54] <kahles1> yeah, but its really cheap
[04:54] <shad0w> pay.. lol
[04:54] <shad0w> :P
[04:54] <gyaresu_> #ubuntu-offtopic ???
[04:54] <axis> there's another version too
[04:54] <shad0w> >:P
[04:54] <kahles1> or you can install from cvs
[04:54] <axis> other then winE
[04:54] <giant> I'd love to run Doom III and Half-life2 on my linux boxy
[04:54] <axis> and vmware
[04:54] <giant> OMG... that would rock
[04:54] <axis> there are like 2 others
[04:54] <concept10> email your stories to tenthconcept@gmail.com.  No spam guaranteed, seriously
[04:55] <Madpilot> concept10: what're you needig recent linux switchers stories for?
[04:55] <axis> giant, : there's another program you use for games
[04:55] <kevogod> UT2004 works.
[04:55] <kevogod> (Natively)
[04:55] <axis> giant, : PC games are supposed to ROCK on linux, MAD FPS ..
[04:55] <bojangles> axis, forget vmware...that is commercial...they will be shipping zen in most newer distros
[04:55] <axis> giant, : i haven't figured it out yet
[04:55] <giant> its also like that sevice that will setup wireless cards for you
[04:55] <qt2> how stable is breezy aside from the X problems?
[04:55] <bojangles> axis, you can find it at cambridge
[04:55] <giant> yo uhave to pay for it but they say they support all of them
[04:55] <axis> bojangles, : that's the name of the alternative? sweet great tip
[04:55] <kevogod> axis: You have an ATI card?
[04:55] <concept10> Madpilot, I want some switcher stories, I putting together some presentations for some small business.  I want to know how to address normal peoples concerns about switching
[04:56] <axis> kevin, : yah , how'd you know
[04:56] <ksmurf> http:/http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/315370
[04:56] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i compiled the package from breezy and installed it with checkinstall (i couldn't compile it with apt-get source -b because its build dependencies couldn't be satisfied but it apparently compiled fine nonetheless)
[04:56] <kevogod> axis: ATI has poor driver support in Linux.
[04:56] <giant> axis, how can you get MAD FPS by running the program through a non native OS?
[04:56] <nickrud> bojangles, does xen do windows again?
[04:56] <ksmurf> There is a couple of questions I have like how do I do it
[04:56] <giant> I though it did
[04:56] <kevogod> axis: You need to get the fglrx drivers from ATI's site.
[04:56] <axis> giant, : beyond me, i haven't done it yet.. ..
[04:56] <tritium> ksmurf, you're always welcome to ask
[04:56] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, the program not only is fixed but in the 2.11.5 version, there are sane choices for ending or killing a program and there's a device section- very nice indeed
[04:56] <bojangles> nickrud, well right now...you can run patched versions of the hurd, linux, and bsd under xen
[04:56] <concept10> Any more takers please?
[04:56] <ksmurf> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/315370
[04:56] <memoryleek> concept10: i'll write
[04:57] <axis>  i don't even play  games on my pc, i use my xbox for that
[04:57] <bojangles> nickrud, and since it was paid for by the taxpayers it is free
[04:57] <axis> pure video editing
[04:57] <nickrud> concept10, I'll write as well
[04:57] <concept10> jasoncohen, how is it going?
[04:57] <MIK3MAN> tritium: I am reburning it right now
[04:57] <axis> and not 3D rendering
[04:57] <knowledge_> wow...this rpm rebuild is taking forever
[04:57] <thoreauputic> concept10: how recent is "recent" ? ;-)
[04:57] <tritium> kevogod, unless of course you're on ubuntu, and you can use the ubuntu fglrx support
[04:57] <ksmurf> tririum .... It's in the paste bin....
[04:57] <axis> tritium, : how do you enable that
[04:57] <tritium> MIK3MAN, okay, good luck
[04:57] <ksmurf> it's about bash scripts and starting them at startup
[04:57] <Madpilot> concept10: well, I switched from XP bout 2-3 months ago. I'll trash out a semi-coherent email for you later tonight
[04:57] <jasoncohen> concept10, quite well. i've been busy lately but other than that i'm doing well.
[04:57] <tritium> axis, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:57] <axis> link me
[04:57] <kevogod> tritium: Ubuntu does not come with fglrx.
[04:57] <axis> nice
[04:58] <MIK3MAN> I'll keep ya posted, 35%
[04:58] <jasoncohen> concept10, how are you?
[04:58] <tritium> kevogod, sure it does
[04:58] <kevogod> You have to add repositories.
[04:58] <nickrud> ksmurf, that seems pretty generic
[04:58] <ksmurf> and how to write one
[04:58] <MIK3MAN> burning it slower this time
[04:58] <kevogod> (Or enable)
[04:58] <qt2> bojangles, what's this 'zen' you speak of?
[04:58] <giant> how good is ubuntu's Radeon support?
[04:58] <tritium> kevogod, no, it's in restricted, which is enabled by default
[04:58] <qt2> oh... xen...
[04:58] <giant> Xen... its a VM program
[04:58] <ksmurf> nickrud that's what I thought
[04:58] <giant> suposed to be really good
[04:58] <kevogod> They're still not installed.
[04:58] <concept10> thoreauputic,  It really doesnt matter, I just need people that have had no prior linux experience (you know someone from Red Hat 5.2).  Im looking for recent switchers.  There is no money in this for me.  Just something im working on
[04:58] <kevogod> The drivers.
[04:58] <qt2> i see...
[04:59] <tritium> kevin, but they are avialable for installation
[04:59] <qt2> hm... i wonder if its in synaptic... o.o;
[04:59] <nickrud> ksmurf, but accurate
[04:59] <tritium> kevogod, ^^^
[04:59] <MIK3MAN> brb
[04:59] <ksmurf> I'm looking to write a script ( like a dos BAT file)
[04:59] <thoreauputic> concept10: I don't think I qualify :)
[04:59] <concept10> jasoncohen, good.  I have something that you may be interested in.
[04:59] <ksmurf> and have it go at startup
[04:59] <kevogod> So downloading them ATI's site or from Restricted... what's the difference?
[04:59] <kevogod> *from
[04:59] <tritium> ksmurf, actually, you should look into update-rc.d
[04:59] <jasoncohen> concept10, sure- PM me
[04:59] <qt2> concept10, err, i switched from windows recently, though i dont know how my help i can be.
[05:00] <kevin> I am slowly learning about linux and it's bells and whistles. The important part is I am learning with a lot of patience from the good people around me both home and online
[05:00] <tritium> kevogod, ATI's site doesn't have nice .deb packages that will be managed by the package management system
[05:00] <ksmurf> tritium... commands can go from there?
[05:00] <giant> I've been running linux for a bit
[05:00] <tritium> ksmurf, see the manpage for update-rc.d on how to use it to add startup scripts
[05:00] <ksmurf> k
[05:00] <ksmurf> thanks
[05:00] <giant> but its mostly if it doens't install and go to a GUI I'm at a loss as to how to debug it and make it work
[05:00] <giant> so I'mnot a very good linux person yet
[05:00] <nickrud> ksmurf, for example, you could create a bash script that does  'hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom', drop it into /etc/init.d, and use update-rc.d to add it to the /etc/rc2.d directory
[05:00] <memoryleek> how many of you are running ubuntu on a laptop
[05:01] <kevin> I am
[05:01] <giant> I would be...but my lappy is buggered
[05:01] <anto9us> me too
[05:01] <aru> I am
[05:01] <tritium> memoryleek, lots of us
[05:01] <kevin> how do I change my nick?
[05:01] <chalenged> i have it on 8 laptops for work atm..
[05:01] <identp> im having a small problem with kopete, anyone use this message client?
[05:01] <Ubuntuguide> I am
[05:01] <memoryleek> kevin: did you have any probs during install???...i'm going to buy a laptop soon and just wondering
[05:01] <kevin> nope, I am running a p1 233 and it went seamlessly
[05:01] <ksmurf> nickrud That's what I want.....  how do I write the script
[05:02] <identp> i am running kubuntu on a dell laptop
[05:02] <bojangles> tritium, what is up with the gpl version of cinerella and why does it require a dual opteron 64
[05:02] <chalenged> identp  i did for a while then went to gaim when ms changed to v7 protocols as kopete broke ...i beleive its fixed now tho
[05:02] <memoryleek> kevin: server install?
[05:02] <Ubuntuguide> running on a dell c840, no prob
[05:02] <tritium> bojangles, no idea - never used it.  Sorry.
[05:02] <kevin> nope, boot from cd
[05:02] <tritium> Ubuntuguide, same here.
[05:02] <memoryleek> ohh...is the WiFi support good?
[05:03] <Ubuntuguide> tritium, works good, right?
[05:03] <tritium> Ubuntuguide, every bit, from nvidia to suspend-to-ram
[05:03] <kevin> seams to be I am using my d-link dwl-g650 to talk to you
[05:03] <Ubuntuguide> using cisco aironet 350 pcmcia wifi
[05:03] <anto9us> I'm running a Dell Inspiron 9100, suspend is my only issue but that's because of the binary ATI drivers
[05:03] <identp> chalenged, i am having trouble seeing or receiving messages from AIM and AOL users, is this similar to your experience?
[05:03] <nickrud> ksmurf, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/315372
[05:03] <ksmurf> u rock
[05:03] <memoryleek> kick ass...i want a laptop but i dont want to dual boot it...i just want linux on it...thanks
[05:04] <kevin> that's all I use in my personal life
[05:04] <gyaresu_> debian on an m5200n laptop. works perfect. should work with ubuntu
[05:04] <ksmurf> nickrud how do I make it exacutable
[05:04] <nickrud> ksmurf, sudo chmod u+x /etc/init.d/<whatever you named it>
[05:04] <bojangles> gyaresu, well debian sarge is in fair shape but still has a few bugs.
[05:05] <memoryleek> gyaresu_: yea i used to run debian...if that works on a laptop then i know this will
[05:05] <kevin> I use suse 9.2 on my desktop and ubuntu on my laptop
[05:05] <memoryleek> i couldnt get debian 3.1 to install...kept hanging
[05:05] <bojangles> memoryleek, well look at the boot options
[05:05] <kevin> I could but I hhave a prob with Debian, my lack of knowledge
[05:05] <gyaresu_> bojangles, memoryleek yeah. this is a new asus and even the ipw2200 wireless is working. don't know about the modem of course ;)
[05:06] <memoryleek> bojangles: yea i'd have to go over it again..but i'm satisfied with ubuntu for now
[05:06] <nickrud> ksmurf, then, sudo update-rc.d <whatever you named it> defaults
[05:06] <bojangles> gyaresu, well i heard intel released some free source code for their own wireless
[05:06] <gyaresu_> memoryleek, noacpi
[05:06] <giant> I'm liking ubuntu... not as many programs as my SuSE 9.3 install..but it works pretty good
[05:06] <memoryleek> gyaresu_: well it hung when it was configuring the network settings
[05:06] <gyaresu_> bojangles, i use the native drivers and they do monitor mode. all i need.
[05:06] <nickrud> ksmurf, correction,  sudo update-rc.d <whatever you named it> defaults 99
[05:06] <bojangles> gyaresu, but nobody gives a shit about wireless....they are all trying to get the tunable laser networks working
[05:06] <tritium> giant, there should be more programs available than in Suse
[05:07] <misfit_toy> giant, not as many programs??? there are MORE
[05:07] <Ubuntuguide> giant you should be able to install anything you want
[05:07] <delltony> real quick simple question how do you mount a dvd ? isn't it mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /pathtomountpoint ?
[05:07] <bojangles> gyaresu, and the solid state hard drives with fiber optics coupling
[05:07] <kevin> I used suse 9.3 on my desktop pc untilmy desktop disapeared 4x
[05:07] <gyaresu_> memoryleek, do use ubuntu. much more of the 'just works' factor.
[05:07] <tritium> giant, approximately 15,000
[05:07] <giant> I can.... I mean on a default intall
[05:07] <aru> giant: There are more available, just fewer installed by default
[05:07] <memoryleek> gyaresu_: exactly....i like it a lot
[05:07] <chalenged> i think ive managed to get 1 / 17 modems in laptops to work with a free driver
[05:07] <MIK3MAN> tritium: ok installing ubuntu take 2!!
[05:07] <misfit_toy> giant, you get less crap up front. ;)
[05:07] <gyaresu_> delltony, 'mount cdrom'
[05:07] <thoreauputic> giant: enable universe and multiverse and choose from ~ 16 000 packages :)
[05:07] <tritium> MIK3MAN, good luck, buddy :)
[05:07] <giant> and that is nice
[05:07] <gyaresu_> delltony, if it's listed in the /etc/fstab
[05:08] <identp> does anyone know what version of KDE comes with kubuntu 5.04 or how i could find out?
[05:08] <delltony> its not
[05:08] <giant> misfit_toy, Probably the reason Ubuntu loads in a fraction of the time
[05:08] <liquidten> identp: open up kcontrol
[05:08] <MIK3MAN> tritium: right away its asking me for my ESSID for my wifi
[05:08] <memoryleek> identp: none come with, but you can get 3.4
[05:08] <kevin> chalenged: I have gotten most laptop modems working with the good help of some programmer friends
[05:08] <tritium> MIK3MAN, okay
[05:08] <misfit_toy> giant, yes, and everything you need to get goin', tastes great, less filling.
[05:08] <misfit_toy> ;)
[05:08] <gyaresu_> identp, #kubuntu
[05:08] <delltony> actually it is
[05:09] <delltony> entry is /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[05:09] <MIK3MAN> tritium: it actually see's the card, but I dont know what to put here???
[05:09] <delltony> so id mount cdrom0 ?
[05:09] <identp> thanks, its pretty quiet in #kubuntu
[05:09] <tritium> MIK3MAN, do you use an essid?
[05:09] <gyaresu_> delltony, and a symlink to /dev/cdrom i'm guessing.
[05:09] <MIK3MAN> not yet.. no WEP
[05:09] <kevin> it is scarey what they can do with even the OLD versions of Linux
[05:09] <tritium> MIK3MAN, okay, leave it blank
[05:09] <gyaresu_> delltony, got X ?
[05:09] <MIK3MAN> ok
[05:09] <teferi> i think i have a prototype...
[05:10] <nickrud> teferi, I'll be happy to be a test bed
[05:10] <gyaresu_> delltony, just eject it and then reinsert the disk. should automount
[05:10] <teferi> nickrud: not until i confirm it works...
[05:10] <nickrud> if I can do it, anyone can :)
[05:10] <teferi> it's less than 20 lines of code
[05:10] <kevin> tritium: has MILK done an iwlist scan?
[05:10] <teferi> and this test message i just sent myself isn't arriving...
[05:11] <tritium> kevin, he says he hasn't setup WEP on his router, unless I misunderstood him
[05:11] <teferi> YES!
[05:11] <kevin> tritium: woops there I go again, I don't know the whole story, sorry
[05:11] <shad0w> thanks guys! i got mp3s to work
[05:11] <teferi> It WORKS
[05:11] <delltony> its works i can play it but its only if i using xine and point it to /dev/hdc
[05:11] <tritium> kevin, no need to apologize, thanks for double-checking :)
[05:12] <kevin> yw
[05:12] <gyaresu_> delltony, who are you talking to?
[05:12] <MIK3MAN> tritium: ok, DHCP has failed cause I have to configure the wifi later, I have a menu here, should I choose do not configure network at this time?
[05:12] <teferi> nickrud: lemme clean this up (actually put it in a file :)) and i'll shoot you a copy
[05:12] <teferi> it's really really simple
[05:12] <tritium> MIK3MAN, how many wireless routers are in your proximity?
[05:12] <MIK3MAN> 2
[05:13] <MIK3MAN> sorry 1 router, 2 cards
[05:13] <nickrud> teferi, I'll hang out for a while
[05:13] <knowledge_> what is meant by cd rpmdir in http://www.bitpim.org/developer.html
[05:13] <giant> wish me luck
[05:13] <knowledge_> ?
[05:13] <teferi> nickrud: yeah, i have to handle a few more cases than the code does right now, but the basic thing is *tiny*
[05:13] <giant> i'mt rying to get 3d on my ubuntu
[05:13] <teferi> i really wonder why no one did this sooner!
[05:13] <memoryleek> good luck
[05:13] <nickrud> teferi, I gotta go for 10 min, be back
[05:13] <tritium> MIK3MAN, just the one?  It's yours?
[05:13] <teferi> okay
[05:13] <giant> but I've been drinking...so if I don't totally screw it up... it should work
[05:13] <memoryleek> lol
[05:13] <giant> or I'll hose my xwindows
[05:13] <memoryleek> been there done that
[05:14] <delltony> gyaresu,  anyone that will listen and help i have the fstab entry
[05:14] <delltony> but i get bad superblock when trying to mount media/cdrom0 when a dvd is in the drive
[05:14] <MIK3MAN> Im in a basement with concrete walls.. I think just mine, I mean I could pull up a sniffer
[05:14] <gyaresu_> delltony, do you have a GUI?
[05:15] <gyaresu_> delltony, i'm just wondering hy you are trying to mount it manually
[05:15] <tritium> MIK3MAN, can you drop to a virtual console, and verify you're seeing with iwlist please?
[05:15] <knowledge_> anyone?
[05:15] <MIK3MAN> tritium: its not installed, Im on winblows remember?? heh
[05:16] <aru> its windows
[05:16] <MIK3MAN> I figure I could skip the network and use madwifi after
[05:16] <tritium> MIK3MAN, you're right.  Well, how important is getting networking configured right now rather than later?
[05:17] <ksmurf> nickrud .... that didn't like me either
[05:17] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, you are using the wrong instructions.
[05:17] <ultraquix> Does ubuntu not allow regular root logins on virtual terminals
[05:17] <tritium> MIK3MAN, okay, if you wish to proceed with the installation, go for it
[05:17] <knowledge_> gyaresu, how so?
[05:17] <ksmurf> sorry fixed
[05:17] <Capilano> hello all !
[05:17] <qt2> Remember folks.. dont drink and config/compile. ;;<
[05:17] <tritium> ultraquix, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:17] <MIK3MAN> but I may get errors down the line when there is apt-get update, or that kinda stuff
[05:17] <tritium> MIK3MAN, that's fine.  You can install purely off CD
[05:18] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, sorry. no you're not. their instructions are a little wacky.
[05:18] <giant> ALL RIGHT.... its smoke test time
[05:18] <qt2> ultraquix, use sudo.
[05:18] <MIK3MAN> I'll skip for now and give you the errors if I get any
[05:18] <giant> if I come back... it means I didn't totally hose this thing
[05:18] <tritium> MIK3MAN, okay.  I won't be sticking around much longer, though.
[05:18] <knowledge_> gyaresu, I see....I'm at the "cd rpmdir" line...but I don't know what the dir is....
[05:18] <Capilano> I was tweaking my system, and I delete the following directory: /usr/share/fonts Now I cannot, of course log back into a system that has no fonts. Any suggestion
[05:18] <giant> wait...maybe I should ask before I go
[05:18] <knowledge_> gyaresu, any input?
[05:18] <giant> wondering if I did this right
[05:18] <MIK3MAN> thats ok
[05:19] <giant> I downloaded and installed the fglrx
[05:19] <MIK3MAN> If this dont work, ubuntu dont like my hardware
[05:19] <kevin> I will be here for 45 mins or so
[05:19] <Jivemonkey> anyone have updated info on mono repository for ubuntu?
[05:19] <tritium> MIK3MAN, okay, good luck to you :)
[05:19] <Jivemonkey> the ones listed in the wiki are out of date
[05:19] <giant> then ran the 'echo fglrx  | sudo tee -a /etc/modules'
[05:19] <chris_> what file needs to be edited to allow root login at gui login screen?
[05:19] <Capilano> so did I, for a lack of a better word
[05:19] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, i presume it doesn't just make a folder in the directory you rmpbuil in then?
[05:19] <kevin> Jvemonkey: sorry not I
[05:19] <giant> then added that one line to the xorg.cong because I have an nforce2 board
[05:20] <giant> did I miss anything?
[05:20] <knowledge_> gyaresu, no sir
[05:20] <ukato> with a wireless card, do you have to do any other configuration than what's in Networking in the Admin menu of GNOME
[05:20] <qt2> MIK3MAN, you can force ubuntu to like any hardware pretty much ;)
[05:20] <giant> knowledge_, I'm guessin gthat was for me?
[05:20] <thoreauputic> chris_: that's generally deprecated, but you can configure it in the settings for GDM
[05:20] <tritium> Good night, all.
[05:20] <giant> oh or not
[05:21] <aru> chris_: there is really no reason to log in as root
[05:21] <MIK3MAN> qt2: yeah, but I am a noob to linux, maybe a week or so, there are other distros just until I get comfy
[05:21] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, why don't you just apt-get install wxpython2.5.3 ?
[05:21] <knowledge_> I need 2.6
[05:21] <ultraquix> My ATI IXP audio is not coming up, although the likely culprit kernel module atiixp.ko is
[05:21] <Captain> .
[05:21] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, ah. sorry. reading that now.
[05:21] <qt2> MIK3MAN, so didnt i.
[05:22] <Jivemonkey> anyone in here using mono?
[05:22] <MIK3MAN> qt2: like I was telling everyone Mepis went in without a hitch, I just want to test all the flavors
[05:22] <qt2> MIK3MAN, i've been on linux for a total of 1.5 weeks :P
[05:22] <qt2> MIK3MAN, heh, i se.
[05:22] <MIK3MAN> lol
[05:22] <qt2> *see
[05:22] <chris_> i have  a firewire disc that will mount but not let me record to it. Says I dont have permission but my username is owner/group and permissions are -R 775. Anyone know what's up?
[05:22] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, looks to me like rpmbuild should build you a folder in the same dir
[05:23] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, i'm guessing it doesn't or you wouldn't be asking
[05:23] <kevin> I have been using linux off and on for a year now, forthe past 3 months solid but have finally gotten to whereI do things myself instead of havingothers do for me
[05:23] <knowledge_> i thought it would be in /usr/src/rpm/RPMS/i386 but the next command doesn't do anything
[05:23] <MIK3MAN> Micro$oft is going to start checking product keys to validate windows update now
[05:23] <thoreauputic> chris_: what file system is on that disc?
[05:23] <MIK3MAN> time to switch to linux
[05:23] <knowledge_> gyaresu, nope...
[05:24] <Capilano> in a hurry Mik3
[05:24] <kevin> MILK3MAN: yes they are that's one reason for my deployment to Linux
[05:24] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, rpmbuild log?
[05:24] <Will_> MIK3MAN: Or to pay for your operating system
[05:24] <kevin> <--- cannot afford legal windblows
[05:24] <kevogod> MIK3MAN: I have completely removed myself from Windows.
[05:24] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, specify it to log on the command line/
[05:24] <MIK3MAN> lol
[05:24] <ep> on validating produckt key, you mean Longhorn?
[05:24] <chris_> thoreauputic - i am noob so i dont know for sure but i brought it to this machine from a Mac so I must believe HFS+
[05:24] <memoryleek> who can afford windows legally?
[05:24] <Capilano> I HEARD ABOUT THAT LAST YEAR AND DID IT THEN, NO REGRET UNTIL TODAY
[05:24] <Nsaneice> Not I, memoryleek
[05:24] <Capilano> oups
[05:24] <knowledge_> gyaresu, there's an extremely long log
[05:24] <MIK3MAN> yeah, I read the article, like 95% is pirated in China
[05:24] <kevin> ep: no, xp, 2k and all of that I believe
[05:25] <Capilano> sorry about that people
[05:25] <MIK3MAN> india is like 80%
[05:25] <memoryleek> hehe...my college sells microsoft software for 7 bucks a CD...LEGALLY
[05:25] <chris_> thoreauputic - i can read it though
[05:25] <memoryleek> but they limit you to one copy :(
[05:25] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, good. :) any clues in it?
[05:25] <thoreauputic> chris_: if it's ntfs you can't write to it - hfs+ I'm unsure but I think is writable
[05:25] <kevogod> Microsoft subsidizes to monopolize.
[05:25] <knowledge_> gyaresu, not that I can see...
[05:25] <Capilano> yes, but once the sn has been use
[05:25] <kevin> yup lol kevogod
[05:25] <knowledge_> should I pastebin it so you can take a gander?
[05:26] <snackalot> 7 dollars i paid 100 those assholes
[05:26] <chris_> thoreauputic - i have written to it in past, but suddenly i cant, even when sudo change permissions.
[05:26] <Madpilot> kevogod: well put. and memoryleek's school probably paid $$$$$ for their licences.
[05:26] <MIK3MAN> memoryleek: I'll paypal ya, send me a valid key for XP Pro for $7 ;)
[05:26] <memoryleek> haha...wish i could
[05:26] <snackalot> someone should hack there ass and shut them down
[05:26] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, updatedb ; locate py2.3
[05:26] <kevogod> Madpilot: They pigeon hole you into using their operating system.
[05:26] <memoryleek> Madpilot: i'm sure they did...and my tuition keeps going sky high
[05:26] <thoreauputic> chris_: you might need to have a file system specified in /etc/fstab for it
[05:27] <Capilano> perhaps, but maybe they are using Linux servers
[05:27] <kevogod> "Sky High" - a great Kurt Russell film I'm sure of it!
[05:27] <chris_> thoreauputic - do you have a link for tutorial?
[05:27] <memoryleek> haha
[05:27] <thoreauputic> chris_: for fstab?
[05:27] <Nsaneice> Hey, is there anyway I can shorten the timeout on the "Configuring Network interfaces"? It takes to long with the eth0 and wlan0.
[05:27] <chris_> thoreauputic - sorry, like i said, noob
[05:27] <gyaresu_> snackalot, language please.
[05:27] <snackalot> english
[05:27] <knowledge_> gyaresu,  updatedb ; locate py2.3
[05:27] <knowledge_> lol
[05:28] <Will_> snackalot: Hack who?
[05:28] <knowledge_> gyaresu, http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/655
[05:28] <snackalot> microsoft assholes
[05:28] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, why lol?
[05:28] <gyaresu_> snackalot, please stop.
[05:28] <aru> snackalot: calm down
[05:28] <thoreauputic> chris_: ah OK - well a start is to run " less /etc/fstab " and have a look at it, then try reading man fstab
[05:28] <snackalot> 4 overcharging for there shit
[05:28] <Capilano> any idea how to reinstall basic fonts ?
[05:28] <Will_> IBM has _just_ stopped support for OS2. JUST. Do you really think windows will 'go away' in our lifetime? Stop bitching.
[05:28] <knowledge_> because I meant to paste the url
[05:28] <thoreauputic> chris_: man fstab won't make much sense at first ;)
[05:28] <gyaresu_> snackalot, STOP SWEARING
[05:28] <aru> bob2: snackalot is out of hand :)
[05:29] <giant> OFG.... it worked
[05:29] <snackalot> sorry OK just makes me mad
[05:29] <ksmurf> ok I followed the instruction and still no go ... the shell script is at http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/315375.  I ran the script to see if it would work and it does, but not at startup.
[05:29] <giant> I can now get my screensavers 3d
[05:29] <giant> AWSOME
[05:29] <chris_> thoreauputic - firewire not in fstab
[05:29] <giant> ubunto rocks
[05:29] <thoreauputic> chris_: if you hang on a minute I'll see if I can find a link for you
[05:29] <MIK3MAN> snackalot: I'll take some blame, I started the Micro$oft talk
[05:29] <ksmurf> can i list my init.d?
[05:29] <chris_> thoreauputic - i have it open in pico
[05:29] <Nsaneice> Yea Ubuntu is nice, its even better when you install it as server and not default
[05:30] <snackalot> what do you expect im a constrution worker
[05:30] <thoreauputic> chris_: how are you mounting it?  Is it just appearing automagically?
[05:30] <MIK3MAN> but hey! we are converting
[05:30] <aru> MIK3MAN: #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:30] <snackalot> thats ok
[05:30] <chris_> thoreauputic - yes
[05:30] <ultraquix> upgrading kernel...
[05:30] <vkm> I'm trying to install acroread via apt on Ubuntu Hoary. My only nonstandard apt sources are universe/multiverse, backports and nerim. When I try to install acroread, apt tells me it wants a newer version of libc6 than the one currently installed. Have I somehow broken my package system or is there some other apt source I should add?
[05:30] <ep> your college has probably entered into some "agreement" with Microsoft.  So they get they money via your tax dollars.  Its one way or another.
[05:30] <knowledge_> gyaresu, nothing on the locate
[05:30] <thoreauputic> chris_: OK, well I'm not sure how that works - probably gnome-volume-manager is doing it
[05:30] <knowledge_> you see anything in the url?
[05:31] <snackalot> can someone tell me were to go to get hacking tuts
[05:31] <ultraquix> boot boot
[05:31] <Burgundavia> vkm, get rid of nerim
[05:31] <Burgundavia> vkm, acroread is in mutliverse
[05:31] <kevin> bbiab
[05:31] <vkm> Burgundavia: Is there a more ubuntu-centric source for the nerim packages?
[05:31] <chris_> thoreauputic - it is possible to add this to my fstab manually though?
[05:31] <Burgundavia> vkm, hoary-extras from the backports project
[05:31] <ksmurf> nickrud...? http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/315375 is the script... but it didn't start at startup.
[05:31] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, yeah and nothing in the /usr/src/RPMS/i386 ?
[05:31] <teferi> nickrud: okay, i have a working test script
[05:32] <knowledge_> gyaresu, no sir
[05:32] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, hmmm.
[05:32] <teferi> it's probably not written in The Python Way, but it works
[05:32] <thoreauputic> chris_: probably, but I don't know how, sorry - someone else might
[05:32] <vkm> Burgundavia: Thanks. Will switch. But: Removing nerim shouldn't affect my acroread troubles, no?
[05:32] <chris_> thoreauputic - thank you for the help though. i have a place to start now.
[05:32] <Burgundavia> vkm, nerim is for sarge, not hoary
[05:32] <MIK3MAN> looks like my installation is going in with no errors
[05:33] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, locate rpm
[05:33] <MIK3MAN> woohoo
[05:33] <Burgundavia> vkm, and acroread is part of the offiical uubuntu repos
[05:33] <spermie_411>  is there any vet or doctor IRCS to get medical advice???
[05:33] <knowledge_> gyaresu, actually there is...but the alien *py2.3* isn't doing anything
[05:33] <thoreauputic> chris_: you're welcome - good luck :)
[05:33] <giant> um thats not right
[05:33] <giant> I tried running Hugo's Smoke and it froze
[05:33] <giant> I guessing thats a problem with the 3d driver I just intalled
[05:34] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, what's the name of the py file  in the /usr/src/blah
[05:34] <giant> Radeon 9800 pro
[05:34] <giant> I installed the fglrx
[05:34] <giant> and put the part in the config file for the nfore2 chipset
[05:35] <giant> anyone know where I could look for log output
[05:35] <knowledge_> wxPython2.6-devel-gtk2-unicode-2.6.1.0-1.i386.rpm  wxPython2.6-gtk2-unicode-2.6.1.0-1.i386.rpm  wxPython-common-gtk2-unicode-2.6.1.0-1.i386.rpm
[05:35] <MIK3MAN> giant: you may know this already, but I was just on ATI site and I seen that the 9800 has genuine drivers, just so you know
[05:35] <thoreauputic> giant: /var/log
[05:35] <mjkelly93> /var/log/
[05:35] <gyaresu_> giant, /var/llogXorg.0.log
[05:35] <giant> MIK3MAN, would the genuine driver work better than the ones I got with apt-get
[05:35] <gyaresu_> giant, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:35] <MIK3MAN> giant: genuine for linux I mean
[05:36] <knowledge_> gyaresu,  you meant that?
[05:36] <spermie_411>  is there any vet or doctor IRCS to get medical advice???
[05:36] <mjkelly93> im lookin for someone very experienced with fglrx, im very close to having the module run correctly
[05:36] <vkm> Burgundavia: Thanks much.
[05:36] <MIK3MAN> giant: I would say yes, cause if ATI is backing them...
[05:36] <giant> MIK3MAN, Makes sence
[05:36] <blmartin777> Do you install new kernels with synaptics package manager?
[05:36] <mjkelly93> any takers for help with fglrx and a radeon 9250?
[05:36] <MIK3MAN> check it out, Im sure it was the 9800 series
[05:37] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, yeah.
[05:38] <knowledge_> gyaresu, any idea on why the alien command isn't working?
[05:38] <mjkelly93> noone wants to help with fglrx? cmon i know someone out there wants a challenge :)
[05:38] <bojangles> MIK3MAN, you mean India is pirating Windows at 80%
[05:38] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, i think the 3 packages are rebuilt to show as  'version 2.3' . you could try alien'ing all three of them but i'm not sure.
[05:38] <bojangles> MIK3MAN, instead of paying through the nose.
[05:38] <regeya> isn't Windows offtopic?
[05:39] <synd> regeya, depends.
[05:39] <knowledge_> mann....ahh screw it...I give up
[05:39] <regeya> synd, not really.
[05:39] <blmartin777> Can I install new kernels in synaptics
[05:39] <MIK3MAN> bojangles: I was told off topic, but yeah, they ranked 3rd
[05:39] <synd> regeya, when the ops say its off topic, then its off topic
[05:39] <abhayks> "QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded" after update of libmsql-mt
[05:39] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, you should be able to make copies and then try alien'ing them without harming anything else.
[05:39] <synd> til then, dont worry
[05:39] <regeya> synd, well pardon moi.
[05:39] <bojangles> MIK3MAN, well they are going to be in big trouble when MS goes to Trusted Network Computing
[05:39] <synd> regeya, yup
[05:40] <giant> I run a .run file from the terminal correct?
[05:40] <knowledge_> I see.
[05:40] <giant> how do I do that?....sorry if I'm a noob
[05:40] <regeya> so who likes pie?
[05:40] <MIK3MAN> thats why I'm here
[05:40] <giant> cherry pie
[05:40] <giant> in the eye
[05:40] <regeya> I like blackberry pie, and apple pie a bit less than blackberry.
[05:40] <bojangles> MIK3MAN, their pirated stuff will no longer work and it will be much more difficult for them to pirate anything
[05:40] <knowledge_> gyaresu, alien wxPython* will work?
[05:40] <regeya> cherry pie and peach pie are right out.
[05:40] <mjkelly93> i just had some shoe fly pie
[05:40] <thoreauputic> giant: what .run file do you have there?
[05:40] <regeya> giant, that's an unusual method for eating pie.
[05:41] <giant> I picked up the ati-driver-installer-8.14.13.run
[05:41] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, should work.
[05:41] <elmagozizou> Hi, I have a problem with mplayer...I dont know why it show me a message every time is gonna play somethig...The message is something about the FONT
[05:41] <giant> you got to pop a lot of cherries to get a pie like that
[05:41] <MIK3MAN> bojangles: join #ubuntu-offtopic and I will tell you whats going to happen
[05:41] <bojangles> MIK3MAN, ok.
[05:41] <thoreauputic> giant: have you read the wiki on binary drivers?
[05:41] <thoreauputic> !drivers
[05:41] <ubotu> I heard drivers is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowto
[05:41] <giant> no not het
[05:41] <elmagozizou> I mean mplayer in grafic mode
[05:41] <abhayks> libqt3-mt-mysql and libqt3-mysql upgraded and not getting
[05:41] <abhayks> "QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded"
[05:42] <mjkelly93> giant, if ur installing a radeon 9800, i watched someone in here do it from scratch yesterday with the exact same model following these directions to a T:    https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowto
[05:42] <elmagozizou> in terminal mode is fine
[05:42] <thoreauputic> giant: i suggest you read the ubotu URL above
[05:42] <elmagozizou> Hi, I have a problem with mplayer...I dont know why it show me a message every time is gonna play somethig...The message is something about the FONT
[05:42] <blmartin777> where is a good place to find all available repositories for ubuntu?
[05:42] <ajax_> teferi, I'm back
[05:42] <elmagozizou> Just ins grafic mode, in terminal mode is fine...
[05:42] <hosler> This may sound really stupid, but has anyone been able to get visual studio 6.0 to work on linux yet? I tried wine and crossover, but those send me the same error messages.
[05:42] <kevin> bk for a bit then I am off to bed so I can try and sleep with the drunk twits downstairs slamming doors!!
[05:42] <mjkelly93> elmagozizou, try   sudo apt-get install mplayer-fonts
[05:42] <Madpilot> !repos
[05:42] <ubotu> somebody said repos was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:42] <abhayks> anyone does mysql related programming on breezy
[05:42] <abhayks> ?
[05:42] <regeya> hooray, pie isn't offtopic yet!
[05:42] <teferi> ajax_: you want the crude but working script?
[05:42] <Madpilot> blmartin777: read the URL that ubotu just posted
[05:43] <ajax_> heh, I'm ajax, now
[05:43] <elmagozizou> mjkelly93, I all ready download that...but doesnt fix
[05:43] <mjkelly93> hmm
[05:43] <giant> I tried that
[05:43] <teferi> i noticed, was confused
[05:43] <mjkelly93> i couldnt get mplayer to install right either so i just use    xine
[05:43] <mjkelly93> i think its better
[05:43] <mjkelly93> too
[05:43] <ajax_> my dialup died, this is nickrud :)
[05:43] <giant> mjkelly93, I tried those... it brings back up my video..but when I try and run a 3d screensaver it locks
[05:43] <mjkelly93> giant, what does fglrxinfo look like?
[05:43] <teferi> i noticed
[05:44] <elmagozizou> but can you play all the formats in XINE?
[05:44] <erudeye> hello
[05:44] <Mechcozmo> hello
[05:44] <mjkelly93> elmagozizou, all of them i tried so far
[05:44] <erudeye> i has just install ubuntu
[05:44] <teferi> at any rate, ajax_, wmute.net/~teferi/evo-mail-notify.py
[05:44] <erudeye> n i don't have root password
[05:44] <teferi> er, http://wmute.net/~teferi/evo-mail-notify.py
[05:44] <ajax_> teferi, I'll give it ago
[05:44] <giant> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[05:44] <giant> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[05:44] <giant> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9800 Pro Generic
[05:44] <giant> OpenGL version string: 1.3.4769 (X4.3.0-8.8.25)
[05:44] <giant> sorry about that
[05:44] <erudeye> where i can get that pass?
[05:44] <teferi> just run it and wait for mail to show up in your inbox
[05:44] <teferi> the indicator will go away if you click on it or start reading a message
[05:44] <thoreauputic> ajax_: /msg nickserv ghost nickrud <your password>
[05:44] <Mechcozmo> I've been looking at Ubuntu for a bit as a good Linux distro
[05:44] <ajax_> thoreauputic, thanks
[05:45] <IIIEars> erudeye - ubuntu is a bit different it uses a format similar to Macs
[05:45] <thoreauputic> ajax_: then you can reclaim your nick
[05:45] <Mechcozmo> looking at geting into it
[05:45] <IIIEars> !rootsudo
[05:45] <ubotu> rumour has it, rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:45] <elmagozizou> mjkelly93, let me try it
[05:45] <regeya> can anyone comment on sweetmeats?
[05:45] <erudeye> hello
[05:45] <abhayks> is this really the ubuntu IRC famous for its community ever eger to help others ?
[05:45] <elmagozizou> mjkelly93, and mp3s?
[05:45] <thr1ce> abbe80, no
[05:45] <Mechcozmo> Question: What are the weaknesses of Ubuntu?
[05:45] <thr1ce> abhayks, no
[05:45] <mjkelly93> elmagozizou, havent tried mp3s, i use xmms for that
[05:45] <erudeye> where i can get my root pass?
[05:45] <IIIEars> erudeye - check out the link ubotu posted
[05:45] <thoreauputic> abhayks: yeah, we're a myth ;)
[05:45] <regeya> synd, what's your opinion on sweetmeats and sweetbreads?
[05:45] <synd> regeya, say waht?
[05:46] <Mechcozmo> alright, lemme repeat that
[05:46] <synd> regeya, im from the states
[05:46] <Mechcozmo> Question: What are the weaknesses of Ubuntu?
[05:46] <nickrud> ah, that works nicely, thanks again, thoreauputic
[05:46] <erudeye> where is the link?
[05:46] <synd> Mechcozmo, none
[05:46] <redguy> !rootsudo
[05:46] <ubotu> rootsudo is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:46] <IIIEars> !rootsudo
[05:46] <Mechcozmo> i don't believe in software that has no problems
[05:46] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: a very biased community that thinks Ubuntu is strong ;)
[05:46] <Mechcozmo> hehe
[05:46] <abhayks> thrlce: great to know u have time to reply to a stupid question of mine but not to a genuine question
[05:46] <Mechcozmo> because I'm looking at going feet-wet with it in terms of Linux
[05:47] <giant> oh wait a minute
[05:47] <Mechcozmo> wondering if I'll outgrow it or somthing
[05:47] <giant> Hufo's Tunnel is working now
[05:47] <giant> sweet
[05:47] <liquidten> abhayks: genuine questions are harder to answer
[05:47] <Capilano> any idea how to reinstall basic fonts ?
[05:47] <Capilano> please
[05:47] <giant> oh well... i'm off to bed... later all
[05:47] <Mechcozmo> also want to know how easy it is to screw up
[05:47] <regeya> synd, but you're familiar with what they are, right?  don't you think they're, well, you know, misnamed?
[05:47] <mjkelly93> giant, try this command:   glxinfo | grep direct
[05:47] <synd> Mechcozmo, problems are few and far between with ubuntu. at least in comparisons to other linux distros. but for the ones that do exist, #ubuntu is here as is the wiki
[05:47] <IIIEars> G'nite giant
[05:47] <abhayks> liquidten: thats true
[05:47] <mjkelly93> giant, nevermind then hehe
[05:47] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: the secret is to get to know repositories and apt or synaptic package management - but don't tell anyone!
[05:47] <Mechcozmo> since the people i do tech work for are notorious for doing that
[05:47] <synd> regeya, no, not really.
[05:47] <Mechcozmo> how is configuration?
[05:47] <giant> it says direct rendering : yes
[05:48] <mjkelly93> anyone out there wanna take a crack at my problems with fglrx for a radeon 9250?
[05:48] <giant> so I guess it is working
[05:48] <mjkelly93> then it should be wroking
[05:48] <Mechcozmo> a bunch of other distros have differing ways
[05:48] <teferi> nickrud: you need python-gnome2-dev and python-gnome2-extras-dev
[05:48] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: could you be a bit more vague?
[05:48] <Mechcozmo> usually involving vi or emacs
[05:48] <Mechcozmo> yeah
[05:48] <poutine> Hello, I installed ubuntu moments ago on this laptop, and it freezes right after I enter my user/pass in the screen, and plays that sound with the ubuntu splash
[05:48] <teferi> and, uh, python2.4-dbus
[05:48] <giant> then why did Hufo's Smoke lock up but Hufo's tunnel work?
[05:48] <nickrud> teferi, yes, that is small, and thanks for the links. It'll take a while on my measly pipe
[05:48] <giant> who knows
[05:48] <Mechcozmo> our house, all computers have static IPs
[05:48] <teferi> and then it should just work
[05:48] <poutine> I checked /var/log/messages and I don't see anything
[05:48] <Mechcozmo> how hard is that to do?
[05:48] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: generally stuff tends to work out of the box
[05:48] <giant> not important... I wanted the tunnel anyway
[05:48] <giant> later all
[05:48] <Mechcozmo> which is the wrong answer....
[05:48] <mjkelly93> poutine, try     grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:48] <teferi> if it doesn't, privmsg me and ill get back to you tomorrow
[05:48] <teferi> i need sleep
[05:48] <Mechcozmo> i know it works out of the box
[05:48] <IIIEars> Mechcozmo - Popular distros come and often go quickly. Ubuntu is Debian. - it'll be around for a long time. - easiest distro yet.
[05:48] <Mechcozmo> with DHCP and stuff
[05:49] <SogniX> has anyone had any success using an ultra ata ide addon card with ubuntu? seems ubuntu throws a fit the moment I install an Adaptec IDE card with two storage drives :(
[05:49] <Mechcozmo> so is there a panel i just open up
[05:49] <Mechcozmo> and enter network info?
[05:49] <Mechcozmo> or do i have to dig through a text file?
[05:49] <elmagozizou> mjkelly93, Hey you know that I use xmms but recently it was frezzing because of the audio thig...so I change it to eSound and it play the files but....
[05:49] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: for static IPs you can enter stuff during install or hack /etc/network/interfaces
[05:49] <Mechcozmo> so i do need to use a text editor
[05:49] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: there's a gui networking thing too
[05:49] <mjkelly93> elmagozizou, yeah ya gotta change the output plugin to esound,   ya dont like it?
[05:50] <elmagozizou> mjkelly93, the sound isnt very good...any solutions?
[05:50] <Mechcozmo> that's what i wanted to know....
[05:50] <TokenBad> besides network tools is there anything else in ubuntu that can do like traceroute?
[05:50] <redguy> Mechcozmo: on install, when dhcp fails you can enter static IPs. Later you would have to edit /etc/network/interfaces
[05:50] <mjkelly93> elmagozizou, huh, nope havent heard that one yet
[05:50] <killapop> Mechcozmo: network-admin gives u a gui to do it thru
[05:50] <nickrud> teferi, python-gnome2-extras-dev does not pull in python-gnome2-extras, do I need that as well?
[05:50] <Mechcozmo> see, DHCP is present
[05:50] <IIIEars> Mechcozmo - i have only a few eeks with linux so a GUI was mandatory. "Firestarter" firewall  is a snap.
[05:50] <poutine> DRI screen init failed, disabling DRI, hmm, should I remove DRI from my xorg.conf, I take it that was successful since it just was disabling it
[05:50] <elmagozizou> mjkelly93, ok...
[05:50] <crimsun> elmagozizou: what do you mean it's not very good?
[05:50] <teferi> nickrud: it's an empty package, but grab it anyway, just in case(future-proofing, natch...)
[05:50] <IIIEars> erm "Eeks" - oops . "Weeks"
[05:50] <Mechcozmo> but all computer that are fixed have static IPs
[05:50] <Melechorion> Good morning, guys
[05:50] <mjkelly93> elmagozizou, is it only xmms or does the ubuntu sounds sound bad too?
[05:50] <Mechcozmo> don't need a firewall
[05:51] <Mechcozmo> have a Linksys router that does fine on it
[05:51] <ColonelKernel> all my linux boxes, regardless of distro, seem to be having dns resolution lags
[05:51] <nickrud> ok
[05:51] <Mechcozmo> can Ubuntu do any network serving?
[05:51] <ColonelKernel> it takes a bit to get the initial connection made
[05:51] <poutine> ColonelKernel: Could be your nameservers
[05:51] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: it isn't hard - you just give your IPs, gateway, masks rtc in the install
[05:51] <DarkSpy> inda n/qui
[05:51] <Mechcozmo> like Apache, etc
[05:51] <ColonelKernel> yeah but its not happening in windoze
[05:51] <mjkelly93> poutine, i get that error too, i wouldnt sweat that one
[05:51] <thoreauputic> *etc
[05:51] <[2] BoxingFiend> colonel: disable IP6 lookup to speed up the process unless your DNS server supports IP6
[05:51] <IIIEars> Mechcozmo - it will enable port forwarding DHCP and other services with a graphical interface. no text editing. - Whew
[05:51] <Mechcozmo> but if later I need to CHANGE the network info, i obviously don't need to reinstall to change those things
[05:51] <poutine> mjkelly93: Well any thoughts on how to fix or debug ths?
[05:51] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: you can install apache no problem
[05:51] <mjkelly93> poutine, how far does it go? like u get the ubuntu splash screen and all?
[05:52] <poutine> it shows the strip
[05:52] <ColonelKernel> joolz - if youre the guy who did those neat CS cheats, thanks for a few years of wasted time :D
[05:52] <poutine> and it plays the startup sound
[05:52] <poutine> and then it freezes
[05:52] <Mechcozmo> Open Office I assume also works nicely?
[05:52] <poutine> caps lock key stops lighting when I press it
[05:52] <ColonelKernel> [2] BoxingFiend how do I do that?
[05:52] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: changing static IPs is pretty trivial unless you have a big network
[05:52] <Mechcozmo> good to hear
[05:52] <mjkelly93> poutine, how many of the programs load on that script?  all of them?
[05:52] <Mechcozmo> installation is via apt-get or something?
[05:52] <hypermodernist> Anybody know where I can find a PHP 5 .deb?
[05:53] <mjkelly93> poutine, does it freeze on any of them?   did u have any complications during the install?
[05:53] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: apt-get or synaptic (GUI)
[05:53] <nickrud> teferi, I interrupted an mplayer install earlier, I have about 30min to get all the things in the queue, so, I'll let you know when I've tested it
[05:53] <poutine> mjkelly93: nothing loads
[05:53] <zenrox> ok i have a quick question?? ok how do i mount a scvd mount -t iso9660 -o loop dont work
[05:53] <poutine> if there is supposed to be icons on that strip
[05:53] <IIIEars> Mechcozmo - "Bastille" is another good graphical interface for iptables.
[05:53] <teferi> nickrud: like I said, I'm going to bed
[05:53] <poutine> it doesn't even get to that
[05:53] <ColonelKernel> i would google it but im in text mode right now
[05:53] <ColonelKernel> fresh install
[05:53] <Mechcozmo> Synaptic is extremely easy to use, I assume?
[05:53] <aru> very
[05:53] <hybrid_goth> ColonelKernel: w3m google.com?
[05:53] <Mechcozmo> I'm pretty much network-admin qualified with OS X and Windows
[05:54] <Mechcozmo> but i want to get into Linux
[05:54] <ColonelKernel> w3m?
[05:54] <mjkelly93> poutine, yeah there is, like 5 of them are default... hmm id say its some kinda problem with gnome, but i couldnt even guess at it
[05:54] <Mechcozmo> tried before, hated the distros
[05:54] <hybrid_goth> ColonelKernel: text browser
[05:54] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: synaptic is quite easy
[05:54] <ColonelKernel> im not too hot on text browsers
[05:54] <thoreauputic> !synaptic
[05:54] <ubotu> I heard synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[05:54] <poutine> I'll try disabling sound
[05:54] <Mechcozmo> how is installation?
[05:54] <Mechcozmo> website said easy
[05:54] <nickrud> teferi, good night, and, you can find me here most days about this time
[05:54] <poutine> I didn't like the installation
[05:55] <poutine> it lies about progress
[05:55] <mjkelly93> poutine, what r u using now?  bitchx?
[05:55] <Mechcozmo> but the computer i'm going to install it on has WinXP on it
[05:55] <poutine> mjkelly93: irssi
[05:55] <IIIEars> installing apps is a three mouse click affair with synaptic
[05:55] <Mechcozmo> but there are 4 partitions
[05:55] <Mechcozmo> XP's is NTFS
[05:55] <Mechcozmo> other 3 are FAT32
[05:55] <[2] BoxingFiend> !ip6
[05:55] <ubotu> [2] BoxingFiend: I give up, what is it?
[05:55] <mjkelly93> poutine, try running a    sudo apt-get update
[05:55] <Mechcozmo> any foreseeable issues?
[05:55] <La_PaRCa> What driver should I use for an ATI Radeon 9200?
[05:55] <Mechcozmo> i don't want to loose my XP partition
[05:55] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: ntfs is read-only except with special experimental stuff (captive ntfs)
[05:55] <Mechcozmo> (almost happened once.... not good)
[05:55] <kevogod> Mechcozmo: There should be no problem.
[05:55] <poutine> mjkelly93: I *just* finished the install, and if I was paying attention correctly, it spent hours doing that
[05:56] <Mechcozmo> ok
[05:56] <crimsun> La_PaRCa: either the open-source radeon or fglrx
[05:56] <IIIEars> Boxingfiend - Be nice to the bot a slender database runs much faster.
[05:56] <poutine> hmm
[05:56] <Mechcozmo> so installation should be easy?
[05:56] <mjkelly93> poutine,     it still needs to upgrade more stuff then      like another 60 megs worth for me at least
[05:56] <mjkelly93> then   sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:56] <La_PaRCa> crimsun, is fglrx in universe or in the regular repos?
[05:56] <kevogod> Mechcozmo: It is text-based, but simple.
[05:56] <Mechcozmo> that's fine
[05:56] <crimsun> La_PaRCa: restricted. See wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:56] <Melechorion> with windows u can do everything
[05:56] <nickrud> If I hadn't sworn off programming, this little thing might actually make me want to learn python
[05:57] <poutine> hmm
[05:57] <poutine> brb
[05:57] <La_PaRCa> crimsun, is restricted on by default?
[05:57] <mjkelly93> poutine, ur install took hours?   are u on highspeed?
[05:57] <crimsun> La_PaRCa: yes
[05:57] <IIIEars> nickrud - infonbot?
[05:57] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: be aware you can have a maximum of 4 primary partitions
[05:57] <Melechorion> if u want to learn python help us - www.inselnderwinde.de
[05:57] <Mechcozmo> that's the number I have
[05:57] <nickrud> I can actually read it
[05:57] <Mechcozmo> :-D
[05:57] <zenrox> ok i have a quick question?? ok how do i mount a scvd mount -t iso9660 -o loop dont work i am mounting a local iso file
[05:57] <Mechcozmo> hate that whole partition thing
[05:57] <mjkelly93> anyone wanna help with an fglrx problem???   i have the module installed and everything, just need some help with an xorg.log file....     anyone?
[05:58] <kevin> nickrud: I sore off of programming for one reason; I didn't start using pc's till 5 years ago
[05:58] <kevogod> Mechcozmo: I assume you are going to format one of those FAT32 partitions as EXT3?
[05:58] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: one of those would need to be an extended partition to fit Linux in
[05:58] <zenrox> mjkelly93,  read the howto on the forums
[05:58] <Mechcozmo> there are 4 partitions
[05:58] <kevin> swore
[05:58] <Mechcozmo> so... shouldn't have an issue
[05:58] <nickrud> IIIEars, no, http://wmute.net/~teferi/evo-mail-notify.py
[05:58] <Mechcozmo> right?
[05:58] <Melechorion> Windows4ever^^
[05:58] <mjkelly93> zenrox, im very far passed the howto on the forums
[05:59] <kevogod> Mechcozmo: You will have to choose a partition to format for Ubuntu.
[05:59] <nickrud> kevin, lol, I stopped programming nearly 20 years ago
[05:59] <Mechcozmo> kevogod: I'll assume that is easy to do and when started into XP nothing will happen to it?
[05:59] <kevogod> It will not be FAT32 after you format it.
[05:59] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: if they are all primaries, one of them would need to be formatted for linux
[05:59] <Mechcozmo> thats fine
[05:59] <zenrox> mjkelly93, the howto will tell you what to edit
[05:59] <IIIEars> nickrud - that would be handy
[05:59] <mjkelly93> zenrox, if u would like to take a look at how far passed i am:   http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=49526
[05:59] <Mechcozmo> dont care if it gets reformatted... not doing much anyways
[05:59] <Zerboxx> thoreauputic: When you have a chance, mind answering some partition based questions for me?
[05:59] <kevogod> Mechcozmo: Windows XP will work fine.
[05:59] <Mechcozmo> actually partitioned it with this in mind
[05:59] <Mechcozmo> hehe
[05:59] <thoreauputic> Zerboxx: just sk and if someone knows they will answer
[06:00] <thoreauputic> *ask
[06:00] <mjkelly93> zenrox, its not about editing...   the modules is reading a device at pci bus 1:2:1 and 1:2:0... when my xorg.conf only points at 1:2:0
[06:00] <[2] BoxingFiend> !interface
[06:00] <ubotu> [2] BoxingFiend: No idea
[06:00] <kevogod> Ubuntu adds Windows XP to the boot list in GRUB automatically.
[06:00] <Mechcozmo> XP will be fine, but it wiped my HFS+ USB thumbdrive once without asking me
[06:00] <erudeyeidee> i can't get my root user
[06:00] <ColonelKernel> so what was the solution to my ip6 problem?
[06:00] <erudeyeidee> pass
[06:00] <erudeyeidee> where i can get?
[06:00] <Mechcozmo> will it do that to the partition?
[06:00] <ColonelKernel> !ipv6
[06:00] <ubotu> ColonelKernel: Are you smoking crack?
[06:00] <kevin> nickrud: if I had the understanding of even one program fro programming I might give it a shot but.... you know... dislexia and programming don't mix and match too well
[06:00] <ColonelKernel> no, just weed
[06:00] <erudeyeidee> ubotu
[06:00] <zenrox> mjkelly93,  then tell xorg to use 1:2:1
[06:00] <erudeyeidee> give me the link again
[06:00] <zenrox> thats probly your vid card
[06:00] <Melechorion> but u have to install windows first, than ubuntu
[06:00] <Mechcozmo> its ok
[06:00] <mjkelly93> zenrox, but my card is on 1:2:0
[06:00] <Mechcozmo> XP is already installed
[06:00] <Zerboxx> Well I'm currently have XP on it's own, 2 partitions (C:\ and D:\ for all my docs n music n videos), I want to remove XP, replace it with Ubuntu, and change my D:\ to my /home, how easy will this be to do?
[06:01] <zenrox> mjkelly93, you look at the xorg log file
[06:01] <kevogod> You don't have to. You can add the Chainloader stuff into Grub manually.
[06:01] <zenrox> ??
[06:01] <Mechcozmo> isn't GRUB the bootloader?
[06:01] <mjkelly93> zenrox, yes i have plenty of times
[06:01] <IIIEars> Mechcozmo - My windows installation gets virus infected so frequently and it's reinstall fdisks everything. using a seperate Disk for ubuntu is a good idea
[06:01] <zenrox> mjkelly93,  ok
[06:01] <Mechcozmo> it does that automagically
[06:01] <kevogod> Mechcozmo: Yes, it is.
[06:01] <erudeyeidee> hello
[06:01] <zenrox> mjkelly93,  any thage else like errors
[06:01] <kevogod> Mechcozmo: I was just saying you could install Windows second.
[06:01] <Mechcozmo> ok
[06:01] <erudeyeidee> i has just install ubuntu n got no root pass
[06:02] <erudeyeidee> where i can get that?
[06:02] <Zerboxx> erudeyeidee: It's your main user's password
[06:02] <zenrox> mjkelly93,  i need to know the error it spits out at you
[06:02] <Mechcozmo> IIIEars: i don't have a seperate disk, sorry, but I rarely reinstall XP
[06:02] <kevogod> erudeyeidee: Ubuntu uses the Sudo setup.
[06:02] <mjkelly93> zenrox,  there are no EE errors in the xorg.log file besides one that talks about DRI and thats not relevant
[06:02] <Mechcozmo> its fresh right now at least
[06:02] <Mechcozmo> :-p
[06:02] <nickrud> kevin, I hear you
[06:02] <kevogod> erudeyeidee: The root account is disabled.
[06:02] <kevogod> erudeyeidee: It uses the Mac OS X type of security.
[06:02] <ColonelKernel> brb
[06:02] <kevin> erudeyeidee: sudo su and then password for user
[06:02] <mjkelly93> zenrox, my beliefe is that the computer hangs before it spits those errors out, like a hard hang that i cant alt ctrl f1 out of
[06:02] <Mechcozmo> GRUB is configured automagically?
[06:02] <kevogod> Mechcozmo: Yes.
[06:02] <zenrox> mjkelly93, coment out the line for dri
[06:02] <erudeyeidee> how?
[06:02] <Mechcozmo> alright
[06:02] <erudeyeidee> sow sudo?
[06:02] <Melechorion> now i'll go to the baker -.-
[06:02] <erudeyeidee> gksudo?
[06:02] <Mechcozmo> well the torrent is sucking it down now
[06:02] <IIIEars> I'm new to linux but beginning to come around to the idea of  a linux only home
[06:03] <zenrox> mjkelly93, didja do a modprob
[06:03] <kevin> in a terminal window
[06:03] <mjkelly93> zenrox,  i have that error right now in this loading of X11 and its running fine
[06:03] <kevin> type in sudo su
[06:03] <jorgp> anyone know why \C<Up> would not bind correctly in mutt, #mutt is dead
[06:03] <mjkelly93> zenrox,    ill do u one better and show the part of my kern.log here:
[06:03] <Mechcozmo> 350KiB/s
[06:03] <nickrud> kevin, better is sudo -s
[06:03] <zenrox> mjkelly93,  past in in a msg to me
[06:03] <Mechcozmo> faster than their server?
[06:03] <kevin> oh, okay I will remember that nickrud
[06:04] <erudeyeidee> so, can i get my root pass with current user?
[06:04] <Mechcozmo> what's the format that Ubuntu uses?
[06:04] <Zerboxx> I currently am running an XP only box, 2 partitions (C:\ (windows), and D:\ (Docs)) I want to replace C:\ with ubuntu, and change d:\ with /home, so I keep all the documents/music/videos I have on that partition.  Is this possible to do, and if so, is it "relatively" easy?
[06:04] <kevogod> Mechcozmo: Format as in what?
[06:04] <jasoncohen> i think i asked this before, but does anyone know why the boot-admin program isn't packaged with gnome-system-tools like it is on debian?
[06:04] <Mechcozmo> sorry, hard drive format
[06:04] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: file system can be ext3, reiserfs, jfs, xfs
[06:04] <Mechcozmo> ok
[06:04] <kevogod> The default is ext3.
[06:05] <kevin> yeyou are root, just type in sudo -s in a terminal and it will ask for pass and you type in your user pass
[06:05] <Mechcozmo> i'll stick with that then...
[06:05] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, turned back in breezy
[06:05] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: most people accept the default ext3
[06:05] <Mechcozmo> is there are major difference between those four however?
[06:05] <kevogod> I personally like ReiserFS.
[06:05] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, no idea why it wasn't packaged
[06:05] <IIIEars> Jasoncohen - sounds interesting do you know the app name?
[06:05] <Burgundavia> Mechcozmo, stick with ext3, it is more stable
[06:05] <Mechcozmo> ok
[06:05] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: this is material for holy wars ;)
[06:05] <kevogod> ReiserFS is the fastest!
[06:05] <Mechcozmo> hehe
[06:05] <ugo> yeah ReiserFS is cool
[06:06] <Burgundavia> Reiserfs4 may be the fastest, but it is also the newest
[06:06] <Mechcozmo> i was thinking about HFS, HFS+, and HFSX
[06:06] <thoreauputic> kevogod: minix forever!!
[06:06] <sizzam> im trying to compile and install nzbget.  during ./configure, i fail with the following:     checking for inflate in -lz... no
[06:06] <Mechcozmo> when you said that
[06:06] <elmagozizou> Is it posible to play mp3s on xine?
[06:06] <jasoncohen> IIIEars, it's gnome's tool for administering grub/lilo
[06:06] <Mechcozmo> so was wondering
[06:06] <sizzam> any idea how to get around that?
[06:06] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - reiserfs and emacs. - sly grin
[06:06] <jasoncohen> and it's called boot-admin
[06:06] <ugo> very good for laptops too
[06:06] <elmagozizou> i try but it close the program
[06:06] <Mechcozmo> hmmm
[06:06] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, you sure, i just checked breezy and it's not showing up
[06:06] <emX> Zerboxx: you shouldn't mount a Windows drive as your home, although you could easily mount or link to it from *within* your home directory
[06:06] <joolz> ColonelKerne: "CS cheats"?
[06:06] <Mechcozmo> how well does Ubuntu run on older hardware?
[06:06] <thoreauputic> elmagozizou: xine will play just about anything
[06:06] <nickrud> kevin, this time I was right, but, look at my advice thru a lens :)
[06:06] <kevogod> Mechcozmo: It should work fine.
[06:06] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: that depends...
[06:06] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, shows up on my machine
[06:06] <kevin> ummmmmm okay
[06:07] <Mechcozmo> PII 350MHz?
[06:07] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=boot-admin&searchmode=searchfilesanddirs&case=insensitive&version=breezy&arch=i386
[06:07] <Zerboxx> emX: I don't want to mount it as my home, I want to change it from ntfs to ext3 so it can be my home, but I want to keep all the files on that partition
[06:07] <[2] BoxingFiend> mech: i run ubuntu on a p3 833 and 384 megs of ram at work... works well
[06:07] <Mechcozmo> thanks
[06:07] <emX> Zerboxx: you can do that, but you'd have to first copy all the files off of it, then reformat it, then copy the files back.
[06:07] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: on really old hardware you need to use lighter apps and window managers
[06:07] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, it is part of gnome-system-tools
[06:07] <Mechcozmo> i have a spare PIII 500MHz 384MB (or is it 512MB?)
[06:07] <[2] BoxingFiend> mech:  p2 should be fine, just get a 32megs or more pci nvidia graphic card and you will be fine
[06:07] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: should be fine
[06:07] <elmagozizou> thoreauputic, yeap but mp3s close the program...thats why im asking
[06:07] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, yeah- but if you check that link i pasted you'll see there's no boot-admin binary
[06:08] <Mechcozmo> and a PII 350MHz 64MB RAM
[06:08] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, there is on my machine
[06:08] <kevogod> You might want to consider XFCE if it is antique.
[06:08] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, packages.ubuntu.com sometimes lags behind
[06:08] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: 64MB RAM isn't enough for gnome
[06:08] <synd> Mechcozmo, i have it run awesome on a p3 650 with 128MB
[06:08] <kevogod> (as the Desktop Environment)
[06:08] <Mechcozmo> ok
[06:08] <[2] BoxingFiend> i would use fluxbox on an older machine
[06:08] <Zerboxx> emx: Alright, not too tough to do, I assume, how is partitioning handled in ubuntu? or is it just as "dangerous" as it is made to seem in xp?
[06:08] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, dpkg -L gnome-system-tools shows /usr/bin/boot-admin ?
[06:08] <IIIEars> Mechcozmo - Fluxbox and XFCE4 are popular and can be innstalled using synaptic
[06:08] <synd> Mechcozmo, but use XFCE4 or flux
[06:08] <La_PaRCa> ubotu tell me about codecs
[06:08] <Mechcozmo> alright
[06:08] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes
[06:08] <Mechcozmo> i'll get used to Ubuntu then try those other ones
[06:09] <synd> ubuntu itself isnt a DM
[06:09] <[2] BoxingFiend> la_parca unbuntuguide.org has a nice write up on codec
[06:09] <emX> Zerboxx: partitioning is always 'dangerous', insofar as you can easily goof up your data -- be sure to back it up first.
[06:09] <kevin> nickrud: me thinks me wife is ready for bed, night and see you all tomorrow
[06:09] <synd> Mechcozmo, gnome is the DM on ubuntu
[06:09] <Mechcozmo> synd: eh?  DM?
[06:09] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i guess it does lag behind- see http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=gnome-system-tools&searchmode=filelist&case=insensitive&version=breezy&arch=i386
[06:09] <Burgundavia> [2] BoxingFiend, please don't recommend the ubuntuguide
[06:09] <Mechcozmo> ah
[06:09] <Mechcozmo> desktop manager
[06:09] <synd> Mechcozmo, desktop manager
[06:09] <Zerboxx_> emx: if you replied to my last comment, I didn't see it, sorry
[06:09] <Mechcozmo> gotit
[06:09] <emX> Zerboxx: partitioning is always 'dangerous', insofar as you can easily goof up your data -- be sure to back it up first.
[06:09] <IIIEars> G'nite - kevin.
[06:09] <La_PaRCa> [2] BoxingFiend, thanks, but I just needed something that I knew was specifically there
[06:09] <Aegir> Well, GNOME is a Window manager. GDM is the Desktop manager
[06:09] <Zerboxx_> emx: thanks!
[06:09] <Burgundavia> La_PaRCa, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:10] <Aegir> But they're kinda one and the same anyway
[06:10] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: there's a whole bunch of alternatives - see  http://xwinman.org
[06:10] <Mechcozmo> alright
[06:10] <parabolize> Aegir: gnome isn't a window manager
[06:10] <nickrud> kevin, good night
[06:10] <identp> has anyone installed the new KDE 3.4.1 ?
[06:10] <Zerboxx_> emX: On a clean install, approximately how much room does Ubuntu take up?
[06:10] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - nice link
[06:10] <Aegir> parabolize, Yeah, spose so
[06:10] <crimsun> identp: see the topic of #kubuntu
[06:10] <synd> Zerboxx_, depends
[06:10] <Burgundavia> Zerboxx_, 1.8 gb
[06:10] <Aegir> But GDM is the desktop manager
[06:10] <Aegir> :)
[06:10] <Zerboxx_> Burgundavia: Thanks :D
[06:10] <parabolize> metacity is
[06:10] <synd> Zerboxx_, default is almost 2g
[06:11] <emX> Zerboxx_: i don't usualy use the deafult; if space is a concern, it can easily come in below 1GB
[06:11] <Aegir> parabolize, I stand corrected, I often refer to GTK, Metacity, and the software itself as Gnome, and being the Window manager. Tad incorrect, but eh.
[06:11] <identp> crimsun, yes that is what prompted me to do so, i am having trouble installing and #kubuntu is pretty quiet
[06:11] <Mechcozmo> well, Ubuntu if i know it to be correct, is like the other Linux distros where you have the shell behind it all
[06:12] <Mechcozmo> and the DM is a program
[06:12] <Zerboxx_> emX: If I were doing a clean insatll, space isn't a problem, but the way I have things set up for my XP box, it may be....I just don't want to have to rip all these cds again
[06:12] <jasoncohen> La_PaRCa, if you want info on how to easily install multimedia codecs see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[06:12] <Mechcozmo> which runs other programs(?)
[06:12] <IIIEars> ubotu windowmanagers is http://xwinman.org/ Feel the power of open software and choices.
[06:12] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[06:12] <HrdwrBoB> Mechcozmo: init runs which runs other programs
[06:12] <emX> Zerboxx_: can you back the ripped files up to DVD or a different computer via the network?
[06:12] <Mechcozmo> ok
[06:12] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: gdm and kdm are kind of login managers for the GUI
[06:12] <La_PaRCa> god, I ask about codecs because I need the link to the repositories article and I get flooded.
[06:12] <Mechcozmo> ok...
[06:12] <Zerboxx_> emX: Not until September
[06:12] <HrdwrBoB> Mechcozmo: init starts all the daemons etc, including GDM, which starts X which starts gnome-session which starts metacity+gnome-panel etc
[06:13] <Mechcozmo> got it
[06:13] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i wonder when boot-admin was added. i don't see anything in the changelog
[06:13] <Mechcozmo> OS/2 was good... but not good enough
[06:13] <IIIEars> <<- still laments the passing of CPM? - grin
[06:13] <memoryleek> any k3b users have problems burning .iso images??
[06:14] <emX> Zerboxx_: i see.
[06:14] <poutine> mjkelly93: I ran the update, to no avail
[06:14] <Mechcozmo> <<--still mourns the Happy Mac
[06:14] <Zerboxx_> Another question regarding a fresh defaul isntall of ubuntu, how does the auto-partitioning work? how much goes to swap, and all that? (if there is a %)
[06:14] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, it was always there, just left out at compile time
[06:14] <poutine> I selected "session" and clicked failsafe gnome, and it froze right after I clicked it too
[06:14] <kevogod> memoryleeK: Works fine for me.
[06:14] <IIIEars> memoryleak - windows prefers the joliet extensions for it's CDs
[06:14] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, and no reason was mentioned for leaving it out?
[06:14] <mjkelly93> poutine,   why did it take u so long to install?
[06:14] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, no idea
[06:14] <memoryleek> kevo did you change any settings
[06:14] <memoryleek> III
[06:14] <memoryleek> IIIEars: what's that?
[06:15] <nickrud> Mechcozmo, look into /etc/rcS.d, which runs before /etc/rc2.d
[06:15] <Mechcozmo> for?
[06:15] <Mechcozmo> nickrud: for what?
[06:15] <nickrud> IIIEars, you really that old ;)
[06:15] <poutine> mjkelly93: because I'm on wireless
[06:15] <nickrud> Mechcozmo, for the things that init runs
[06:16] <mjkelly93> poutine, ahh i c
[06:16] <Mechcozmo> oh
[06:16] <IIIEars> another solid reason i use gnomebaker - musta burned a dozen coasers with the wrong options ( i'm new - lol)
[06:16] <IIIEars> my first computer was an "Eagle II"
[06:16] <Mechcozmo> my first was a Mac Plus
[06:16] <poutine> This is a HP pavilion zv6000US, AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2ghz w/ 512 megs ram, 128 dedicated ATI radeon xpress 200m
[06:16] <poutine> if it helps
[06:16] <nickrud> IIIEars, that thing was not even ibm compatible, if I remember right
[06:16] <IIIEars> got a commodore 64 a bit later
[06:17] <memoryleek> my first puter was an atari...but i was about 3 at the time
[06:17] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, I suspect the reason is that is not the most user-friendly app
[06:17] <poutine> Apple IIgs here
[06:17] <Orborde> I need help setting up a Win98-Ubuntu network over a crossover cable.
[06:17] <IIIEars> nope - worse neither was it a main stream CPM - lol
[06:17] <mjkelly93> poutine,  i really dont know what to tell ya      u can try a    grep EE /var/log/*
[06:17] <nickrud> ah, the atari 800, my second
[06:17] <regeya> o_O
[06:17] <mjkelly93> see if anything pops out there
[06:17] <regeya> a crossover cable!  the important thing is to wire the cable correctly.
[06:17] <enum> question.. I have windows 2000 pro located on /dev/sda2.. I added the approipriate lines to lilo.conf, and I get "error loading opertating system" note:  this was a cut and past from my previous linux os ( same partitioning )
[06:17] <regeya> thoreauputic, you're totally old. ;-)
[06:17] <Mechcozmo> it was external
[06:18] <poutine> nothing :(
[06:18] <thoreauputic> regeya: yep
[06:18] <Mechcozmo> 100MB of pure space
[06:18] <nickrud> the best keyboard, except for the clicky ibm one
[06:18] <Mechcozmo> 8MHz of power
[06:18] <Mechcozmo> nah
[06:18] <Mechcozmo> the first Macs had great keyboard which made springy noises
[06:18] <mjkelly93> poutine,   there was none at all?
[06:18] <Orborde> regeya: Yeah, I messed that up at first. Now they're talking to each other, but I'm not getting Fun Windoze Services.
[06:18] <regeya> and I feel old because some "computer professionals" have never heard of a TRS-80
[06:18] <IIIEars> my first linux was a stab at RH 5.0 (it lasted a few hours before bieng erased with great prejudice.)
[06:18] <regeya> apple logo!
[06:19] <regeya> damn.
[06:19] <Orborde> Oh, wait. Scratch that. It works now. JK. Ignore me. I'm an idiot.
[06:19] <La_PaRCa> You kids these days, when I was young we didnt have "keyboards"
[06:19] <Madpilot> I was about 4 or 5 when Dad got that...
[06:19] <IIIEars> Madpilot - lol
[06:19] <thoreauputic> regeya: affectionately known as Trash-80 ;)
[06:19] <nashife> is anyone here willing to give me (linux newbie girl) some one-on-one help figuring out if I have bad blocks on my hard discs? Ubuntu won't reliably start up and I don't know what it means to unmount my disk in order to run fsck.  the friend I usually ask to help me is frustrated with how I don't know anything and don't understand what he means when he tells me to do something, so I'm looking for someone else who's patient and could
[06:19] <nashife> help me learn how to use badblocks or fsck.
[06:19] <IIIEars> TRS-80 - $2,700 nicely equipped
[06:19] <eltino> a girl asking for one on one?
[06:19] <memoryleek> lol
[06:19] <Mechcozmo> lol
[06:19] <poutine> mjkelly93: just the DRI thing I said earlier
[06:20] <Madpilot> eltino: can it.
[06:20] <nashife> eltino, yeah one-on-one
[06:20] <nashife> haha
[06:20] <mjkelly93> ok    well that kinda makes things a little hard when theres no errors to show
[06:20] <mjkelly93> maybe try shutting down X and restarting it?
[06:20] <jasoncohen> nashife, when you boot up, does fsck say that your file system is corrupted and needs to be checked?
[06:21] <IIIEars> a 20 megabyte hard drive was vast
[06:21] <nickrud> IIIEars, lol, I put over 3,500 into my atari 800, a 93k drive, a color monitor, and a printer :)
[06:21] <Mechcozmo> i have 100MB of space
[06:21] <Zerboxx> emX: Thanks for your help, I think what I'll do is wait until I can..."borrow" a friends computer to transfer files over, then clean install, and take'em back
[06:21] <Mechcozmo> 9" B&W monitor
[06:21] <Mechcozmo> 800KB floppies were the limit though
[06:21] <nashife> jasoncohen, I don't think so. i would have remembered the word 'corrupted' or soemthing.  it doesn't boot up at all for a while. hangs at "starting ubuntu". then randomly it continues after i power down. last time it rebooted, gave me an error I didn't write down, and dropped me into a root user prompt. (!!!)
[06:22] <nickrud> Mechcozmo, an S100 bus machine?
[06:22] <Mechcozmo> i must leave
[06:22] <Mechcozmo> lol
[06:22] <jasoncohen> nashife, when did this start happening?
[06:22] <Mechcozmo> no nickrud
[06:22] <IIIEars> visicalc was a ram/processor hog. (most jpg files are larger than it is)
[06:22] <Mechcozmo> Mac Plus
[06:22] <nashife> then i typed 'exit' and it finally loaded the rest of ubuntu.
[06:22] <nashife> it started this today.
[06:22] <Madpilot> a friend still has a 650Mb drive in daily use. You could fit the *entire* thing on one CD...
[06:22] <Mechcozmo> 1MB of RAM, 8MHz 68000, 800KB floppy drive
[06:22] <nashife> before today, it would occaisionally restart randomly and I thought it was overheating... so I have a new fan and i'm watching the temp
[06:22] <nickrud> Mechcozmo, k
[06:22] <Mechcozmo> yup
[06:23] <Mechcozmo> 100MB external SCSI drive
[06:23] <Mechcozmo> it still runs
[06:23] <nashife> but it rebooted randomly today, and that's when it wouldn't boot up successfully
[06:23] <Mechcozmo> i have it right here
[06:23] <Mechcozmo> :-)
[06:23] <IIIEars> Madpilot - thats cool. - You can't wear them out.
[06:23] <Madpilot> nashife: I had something similar happen. turned out to be a bad motherboard
[06:23] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: luxury ;-)
[06:23] <emX> Zerboxx: ok; good luck.
[06:23] <Mechcozmo> no kiddin'
[06:23] <nickrud> Mechcozmo, I can remember envying you
[06:23] <Mechcozmo> i must leave
[06:23] <Mechcozmo> after the torrent is over my Powerbook is taking a sleep
[06:23] <Mechcozmo> nickrud: my friend's first computer was a K2
[06:23] <nashife> Madpilot, yick... bad motherboard...?  it's possible for me. all my hardware is pretty old and basically parts from friends
[06:23] <slave> how do you burn .iso file to cd "setup for installation cd" ?
[06:24] <Mechcozmo> but by that time i had the fastest video card on the block
[06:24] <Mechcozmo> including his
[06:24] <La_PaRCa> slave, right click->burn to cd
[06:24] <nashife> so, can someone help me learn how to use fsck?
[06:24] <jasoncohen> nashife, and what did your friend tell you to do. sounds like you need to run fsck from a failsafe mode
[06:24] <Mechcozmo> nashlife: don't fsck unprotected!
[06:24] <Mechcozmo> gnight everybody
[06:24] <anggie_aqr> hi
[06:24] <Mechcozmo> (conversation dies)
[06:24] <Madpilot> nashife: ouch. mine was brand-new and still covered by warrenty, thank Dog...
[06:24] <Mechcozmo> (damnit i always do that)
[06:25] <slave> La_PaRCA, thanks ! let me try out
[06:25] <anggie_aqr> how to find out our ubuntu version, iam newbie linux either ubuntu
[06:25] <nashife> Madpilot, he told me to go into 'single user mode' and run it. but i don't know what that means, and he got annoyed with me when I asked him to step-by-step explain it.
[06:25] <nashife> so i came here.
[06:25] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr: type   cat /etc/issue in a terminal
[06:25] <nickrud> nashife, telinit 1 will get you single user mode
[06:25] <nashife> er, that last msg was for jasoncohen
[06:25] <anggie_aqr> ok i`ll try
[06:26] <Madpilot> nashife: if it is hardware, you're out of luck. but try fsck, it won't hurt.
[06:26] <nickrud> *sudo telinit 1
[06:26] <nalioth> nashife: there is a hard drive monitoring suite, if you want to look at that "smartmontoold"
[06:26] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr: to get a terminal right click the desktop and choose it from the menu that pops up
[06:26] <nalioth> crap
[06:26] <nalioth> damn i'm slow
[06:27] <IcemanV9> ubuntu -version doesn't work?? :p
[06:27] <nickrud> there's a lot of lag right now
[06:27] <anggie_aqr> its reply no such file or directory, thore\
[06:27] <abarbaccia> hey guys, are some of the ubuntu repositories down?
[06:27] <anggie_aqr> sorry i got typos with your nick
[06:27] <nickrud> abarbaccia, the us ones seem to always be donw
[06:27] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr: are you sure you typed it right?
[06:27] <Burgundavia> abarbaccia, the us ones are iffy right now
[06:28] <anggie_aqr> yes \
[06:28] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr:  cat /etc/issue
[06:28] <nashife> eeep. someone could have told me what that was going to do...
[06:28] <abarbaccia> alright - thanks guys - just making sure its not my connection....
[06:28] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr: well, if it's ubuntu that file must exist :)
[06:28] <anggie_aqr> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" \n \l
[06:28] <ColonelKernel> im still having problems with initial DNS resolution on things, its taking a bit
[06:28] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr: aha
[06:28] <anggie_aqr> thats worked
[06:28] <ColonelKernel> its almost instantaneous on windoze
[06:28] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr: OK that's current
[06:28] <crimsun> anggie_aqr: lsb_release -a
[06:28] <nickrud> nashife, what's 'that'?
[06:29] <ColonelKernel> not so good at all in ubuntu
[06:29] <anggie_aqr> the mean, i have latest version or what?
[06:29] <[2] BoxingFiend> colonel: you have try disabling ip6 in firefox?
[06:29] <ksmurf> ok I wrote a script and made it u+x and placed it in the init.d folder and did an update ..defaults99.  The script won't start but will start in sessions?  anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
[06:29] <thoreauputic> crimsun: canonically correct but I neer remember it :)
[06:29] <nashife> someone here just told me that a command like tinit 1 or something would put me in single user mode... and I didn't know what that would do, so I tried it...
[06:29] <nalioth> nashife: are you concerned with your hard drive?
[06:29] <ColonelKernel> I have - this is not a firefox thing, its a system wide thing
[06:29] <nickrud> ksmurf, may I pm you?
[06:29] <SDFH_Linux> how you get kde desktop
[06:29] <ksmurf> yes
[06:30] <nashife> nalioth, yeah i'm worried.  I can't afford to replace much, so I want to scan it and make sure it's usable... or start looking for a cheap replacement.
[06:30] <anggie_aqr> thoreauputic: is this ubuntu 5.04 is the lattest version?
[06:30] <[2] BoxingFiend> do a cat /etc/modprobe.d/aliases under net-pf-10 change from ip6 to off and reboot
[06:30] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr: yes
[06:30] <nashife> so, what was that command again to get into single user mode?  that kills everything except for root right?
[06:30] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr: except for the unstable development version
[06:30] <nashife> i'll write it down this time
[06:30] <nalioth> nashife: install "smartmontools" and run 'smartctl'
[06:31] <anggie_aqr> so the mean, i can connect my usb flash disc automatically (no need mount manually), right?
[06:31] <nalioth> nashife: smartctl will read the S.M.A.R.T data from your HD
[06:31] <thoreauputic> nashife: sudo telinit 1
[06:31] <ColonelKernel> alias net-pf-10 ipv6 off <--- did that already
[06:31] <[2] BoxingFiend> colonel no should read alias net-pf-10 off
[06:32] <nashife> nalioth, is smartctl gui?
[06:32] <ColonelKernel> DOH
[06:32] <ColonelKernel> thanks
[06:32] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr: usb usually just works, yes
[06:32] <nalioth> nashife: no it is terminal
[06:32] <nashife> nalioth, what's different about it vs fsck?
[06:32] <anggie_aqr> thanks for your help thoreauputic
[06:32] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr: no problem :)
[06:33] <nashife> can i use it from my regular session? or do i also need to be in single user mode?
[06:33] <anggie_aqr> oh yeah, once again, where can i d/l ubuntu version for live cd?
[06:33] <nalioth> nashife: S.M.A.R.T hard drives keep a record of faults and operating status to an onboard recorder
[06:33] <anggie_aqr> theres a live cd, isnt it?
[06:33] <nalioth> nashife: fsck checks data integrity
[06:33] <nalioth> nashife: smartctl can be run anywhere
[06:34] <parabolize> I am having trouble with a UMS device on a specific computer. I am searching for somebody with the same errors but can't find anyone. Here is my post on the forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=49597
[06:34] <nashife> so, what is smartctl used for? it's not for checking integrity? it just logs stuff?
[06:34] <anggie_aqr> is there any live cd version?
[06:34] <nashife> er, smartmontools?
[06:34] <anggie_aqr> like knoppix?
[06:34] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i just compiled gnome-system-tools from breezy and installed it but boot-admin isn't installed
[06:34] <IIIEars> anggie_aqr - yes there is
[06:34] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr: yes
[06:34] <anggie_aqr> thank you everyone
[06:34] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, what version of gnome-system-tools do you have?
[06:34] <Madpilot> anggie_aqr: yes. ubuntu.com
[06:34] <anggie_aqr> you`re so helpfull
[06:35] <nalioth> nashife: smartctl basically has the HD bring out its log of HARDWARE status
[06:35] <anggie_aqr> happy helping
[06:35] <nalioth> nashife: smartctl will tell you if your HD is having a hardware failure
[06:35] <bluefoxicy> does bugzilla.ubuntu.com contain no data for anyone else
[06:35] <IIIEars> anggie_aqr - We certainly try - if you want surly you need to try the #RedHat channel. - lol
[06:35] <bluefoxicy> it's frequently down for me.
[06:35] <nashife> nalioth, ok. so I should run those tools before running fsck? or instead of?
[06:35] <La_PaRCa> where is Xorg.conf located?
[06:35] <nalioth> IIIEars: i thought it was #debians turn this week for "surly"
[06:36] <nalioth> nashife: run both
[06:36] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: definitely contains data for me
[06:36] <parabolize> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:36] <nalioth> nashife: they complement each other
[06:36] <IIIEars> nalioth - Oops - erm i didn't get the memo
[06:36] <mmc_> greetings on the channel... i'm new to IRC so... i have an ubuntu config question if anyone has time
[06:36] <[2] BoxingFiend> what sup mmc
[06:36] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, 1.3.0
[06:36] <nalioth> mmc_: ask away
[06:36] <mmc_> boxing and nalioth... i want to hook up an "old school" iomega paralell port zip drive
[06:37] <mmc_> not sure where to start
[06:37] <nalioth> mmc_: first thing is to plug it in :)
[06:37] <mmc_> nalioth... k... not quite THAT noobs... <grin>
[06:38] <bluefoxicy> ok got it.
[06:38] <IIIEars> mmc_ - then maybe lspci - l  - is that right?
[06:38] <nalioth> mmc_: ubuntu will either 'see' it and mount whatever disk you put in, or it won't and you'll have to configurate
[06:38] <IIIEars> Ah well - i am a newb - never mind
[06:38] <IIIEars> G'nite
[06:39] <mmc_> nalioth... would it mount to /mnt??? cause nothing there
[06:39] <barlas> G'morning IIIEars :-p
[06:39] <[2] BoxingFiend> after plugging it in, under System -> Admin -> Device Manager, under the zip drive, Advance tab what /dev/hd?? is it listed as
[06:39] <nalioth> mmc_: ubuntu mounts most things (in my experience) to /media
[06:39] <mmc_> let me chk... brb
[06:40] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i installed 1.3.0 on hoary and i don't have a boot-admin
[06:40] <jasoncohen> i removed hoary's gnome-system-tools and built a new package with checkinstall
[06:40] <bluefoxicy> there, bug #12772 submitted.
[06:40] <[2] BoxingFiend> anyknow if the original zip drive still uses ppa module or imm?
[06:41] <bluefoxicy> doesn't this channel have a bot that states new bugs :/
[06:41] <mmc_> nothing listed under device manager
[06:41] <nalioth> mmc_: i see you are in good hands with [2] BoxingFiend
[06:41] <[2] BoxingFiend> do a lsmod | grep "imm|ppa"
[06:42] <mmc_> nalioth... thanks and peace to u, brother
[06:42] <bimberi> [2] BoxingFiend: ppa (mine's the parallel port model)
[06:42] <mmc_> boxingfiend... let me try that lsmod...
[06:43] <[2] BoxingFiend> wow... jazip package includes a nice gui part of universe
[06:43] <benplaut> wow... it's quiet in here today...
[06:44] <mmc_> got no response to lsmod
[06:44] <thoreauputic> benplaut: a temporary calm :)
[06:44] <mmc_> boxingfiend... what's jazip
[06:44] <nickrud> a lull between the wonderful storms
[06:44] <[2] BoxingFiend> do you have universe unlocked under /etc/apt/sources.list?
[06:45] <dafina> high!
[06:45] <thoreauputic> benplaut: you missed the entertainment provided by one "wonderland" some hopurs back...
[06:45] <mmc_> boxingfiend... i just did a standard install... ur a little over my head at the moment
[06:45] <thoreauputic> *hours
[06:45] <sizzam> anyone here use NZBGet?
[06:45] <[2] BoxingFiend> !sources.list
[06:45] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, [2] BoxingFiend
[06:45] <thoreauputic> !sources
[06:45] <ubotu> sources is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:46] <erudeye> how to mount partition so the user can access, not only root
[06:46] <[2] BoxingFiend> check out that link mmc and then install jazip package
[06:46] <nalioth> sizzam: what is nzbget?
[06:46] <erudeye> hello, need help :D
[06:47] <sizzam> its an app to handle nzb files - basicall xml postlists for newsgroups
[06:47] <erudeye> about mounting
[06:47] <sizzam> *basically
[06:47] <nalioths_dog> erudeye: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[06:47] <[2] BoxingFiend> found this i thought i share... www.serbaniaotic.com/TomKillsOprah.mov
[06:47] <erudeye> hmmm
[06:47] <crimsun> [2] BoxingFiend: keep the off-topic stuff in #ubuntu-offtopic, please
[06:47] <nalioth> sizzam: did you need help with it, or were just asking?
[06:48] <mmc_> boxingfiend... checkig out the repositories link... will chk back w/ questions
[06:48] <sizzam> i need help with the configuration file for it
[06:48] <mmc_> boxingfiend... thanks and peace to you
[06:48] <ksmurf> can anyone help me with configuring my wacom inside xorg.conf
[06:48] <nalioth> sizzam: i use Pan for my nntp, (cuz they dont do nzb's)
[06:49] <sizzam> i was using nzbperl, but im having trouble getting all of the required perl modules for it
[06:49] <erudeye> i don't want mounting forever, just right now :D
[06:50] <aru> i want mounting forever
[06:50] <drcodedd2> hi all
[06:50] <nalioth> sizzam: the perl mods aren't in the repos?
[06:50] <drcodedd2> how I get back to packge installed menu ?
[06:50] <drcodedd2> I want to check if gnome is installed
[06:51] <sizzam> nalioth: some are, theres a list of about 20 of them
[06:51] <thoreauputic> drcodedd2: there is no package called gnome afaik
[06:51] <thoreauputic> drcodedd2: and it should be obvious if gnome is installed ;)
[06:52] <drcodedd2> I think it didnt installed it
[06:52] <nalioth> sizzam: so have you installed all the perl mods you've found in the repos?
[06:52] <thoreauputic> drcodedd2: I stand corrected - there is indeed a gnome package
[06:52] <sizzam> nalioth:  i havent done it on this install, let me run through it and see how it goes
[06:52] <thoreauputic> drcodedd2: why do you think this?
[06:52] <nickrud> can someone teach me how to cleanly exit a channel created by right clicking a nick in xchat?
[06:53] <nalioth> nickrud: you mean a private message window?
[06:53] <Madpilot> nickrud: /part [name of channel]  ?
[06:53] <nickrud> nalioth, yes
[06:53] <thoreauputic> drcodedd2: if it's because you can't get the desktop to start, your problem is elsewhere
[06:53] <Madpilot> nickrud: ah, nvrmnd...
[06:53] <nickrud> Madpilot, tried that :)
[06:53] <nalioth> nickrud: right click on the tab with the user nick in it and click close
[06:53] <drcodedd2> it say no X file
[06:54] <ksmurf> is it one & or 2 && to send a command to the background?
[06:54] <thoreauputic> drcodedd2: did you do a standard install ?
[06:54] <nickrud> nalioth, does that really close it, for real, I'm not real comfortable that that works
[06:54] <dafina> ksmurf: one &
[06:54] <drcodedd2> yes
[06:54] <drcodedd2> I will try to reinstall it
[06:54] <ksmurf> dafine and at the end right?
[06:54] <dafina> yes
[06:54] <[2] BoxingFiend> & for backgroup, && for an AND operator
[06:55] <thoreauputic> drcodedd2: what does the command  "which X" return? (without the quote marks)
[06:55] <erudeye> i has just mount, the root can access, but the user can't, how to fix?
[06:55] <nalioth> nickrud: did it disappear?
[06:55] <nickrud> nalioth, closed, tab gone
[06:55] <thoreauputic> bah another "reinstall before trying" quit...
[06:56] <erudeye> i has just mount, the root can access, but the user can't, how to fix?
[06:56] <[2] BoxingFiend> erudeye: mount reads /etc/fstab, make sure the mount point you have in question contains user as one of the flag
[06:56] <thoreauputic> erudeye: what did you mount, and with what command?
[06:56] <newbie> hi i was wondering when the new ndiswrapper will be integrated to ubuntu will it be in breezy?
[06:56] <erudeye> hmmm
[06:56] <erudeye> mount /dev/hda5 /mnt/data
[06:56] <erudeye> that command
[06:56] <imaek> What is the file to lsof to see what is using ALSA?
[06:56] <Une-ga-dihi> Anyone had Ubuntu kill a hard drive?
[06:57] <[2] BoxingFiend> do a df -T -h
[06:57] <Seveas> newbie, 'new ndiswrapper'..?
[06:57] <[2] BoxingFiend> what file type is /dev/hda5
[06:57] <Seveas> when was the release?
[06:57] <thoreauputic> erudeye: you mounted it as root then
[06:57] <ksmurf> brb
[06:57] <erudeye> ntfs
[06:57] <erudeye> i have
[06:57] <erudeye> i mount it on root
[06:58] <erudeye> but when i back to normal user, i can't read it
[06:58] <thoreauputic> erudeye: what line in /etc/fstab do you have for that partition?
[06:58] <thoreauputic> erudeye: type  less /etc/fstab  to see
[06:59] <[2] BoxingFiend> do you have something like /dev/hda4 /mnt/data ntfs rw,user,noauto in /etc/fstab?
[06:59] <newbie> sevas ndiswrapper 1.2 http://sourceforge.net/projects/ndiswrapper/
[06:59] <erudeye> no one
[06:59] <erudeye> no hda5
[06:59] <[2] BoxingFiend> /dev/hda5*
[06:59] <aru> I had a drive I could access as root but not as user, I had to delete the mountpoint then make the dir as user :)
[06:59] <erudeye> no
[06:59] <newbie> is ndiswrapper 1.1 integrated to ubuntu?
[06:59] <erudeye> no one
[07:00] <erudeye> should i add that?
[07:00] <thoreauputic> erudeye: as [2] BoxingFiend points out, you should have a line like the one he gave above
[07:00] <erudeye> OK :D
[07:00] <erudeye> thanx guys
[07:00] <thoreauputic> erudeye: wait
[07:00] <erudeye> yes what
[07:00] <thoreauputic> erudeye: you need  0 0 at the end of the line as well
[07:00] <erudeye> what that mean?
[07:01] <[2] BoxingFiend> yeah sorry /dev/hda5 /mnt/data ntfs rw,user,noauto 0 0
[07:01] <erudeye> dump
[07:01] <erudeye> pass
[07:01] <erudeye> what is dump
[07:01] <erudeye> what is pass
[07:01] <thoreauputic> erudeye: yes - just make sure you put  0  0
[07:01] <erudeye> please explain me what that meaning of 0 0
[07:02] <thoreauputic> [2] BoxingFiend:  rw is kind of pointless for ntfs
[07:02] <[2] BoxingFiend>  !fstab
[07:02] <ubotu> [2] BoxingFiend: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:02] <erudeye> yes, it's read only
[07:02] <erudeye> no rw
[07:03] <thoreauputic> erudeye: I would suggest you use   noauto,ro,users,umask=022 0 0
[07:03] <erudeye> but can i add rw so i can write to it?
[07:03] <erudeye> hmmm
[07:03] <thoreauputic> erudeye: you can't write safely to ntfs
[07:03] <erudeye> ok
[07:03] <thoreauputic> erudeye: those entries are what I use here
[07:03] <nalioth> erudeye: writing to NTFS is the quick way to an all linux hard drive
[07:04] <[2] BoxingFiend> dump = determine if the filesystem needs to be dump, and pass = is used by fsck upon reboot time
[07:04] <benplaut> i thought CaptiveNTFS was stable by now (didn't cause corruption)?
[07:05] <mmc_> boxingfiend... ok, i have installed jazip
[07:05] <thoreauputic> benplaut: feel free to walk erudeye through setting up CaptiveNTFS ;-) I suggest not
[07:05] <crow> sup?
[07:05] <[2] BoxingFiend> be lazy like me and use smb to mount ntfs
[07:05] <[2] BoxingFiend> mmc_: got it to work?
[07:06] <benplaut> thoreauputic: point taken :)
[07:06] <erudeye> :D
[07:06] <crow> anyone know if its possible to use other GUIs in ubuntu?
[07:06] <benplaut> i use all ext3 anyway, so...
[07:06] <shad0w> i cant get 3d accelleration to work.. i have an ATI Radeon 9200
[07:06] <erudeye> like kde :D
[07:06] <benplaut> crow: other Desktop Environments?
[07:06] <crow> ben: like fluxbox
[07:06] <shad0w> anyone know how to fix 3d accelleration ;o
[07:06] <seth_k> shad0w: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:06] <shad0w> thanks
[07:07] <benplaut> crow: yup... just install using apt-get or synaptic, and then select session when you log in
[07:07] <benplaut> i use flux for games: )
[07:07] <mmc_> boxingfiend... well... not sure what to do now... i tried to run jazip from the command line and  it says can't read config file... permissions wrong maybe?
[07:07] <crow> ben: i love flux, its simple yet powerfull
[07:07] <[2] BoxingFiend> 1 sec let me install it and read the man page
[07:07] <mmc_> boxingfiend thx
[07:08] <benplaut> crow: too simple, IMO, but... to each his/her own :)
[07:08] <[2] BoxingFiend> mmc: sudo jazipconfig
[07:08] <crow> just installed ubuntu today, used several other distros but liking ubuntu so far
[07:08] <crow> ben: most other GUIs use too many system resources IMHO
[07:09] <SysFail> has anybody gotten mp3 to audio cd burning to work????
[07:09] <[2] BoxingFiend> crow: flux rocks on system resources
[07:09] <digitalfox> flux is beautiful
[07:09] <emX> *box are cool WMs, but i'm most pleased with ion
[07:09] <digitalfox> ion?
[07:09] <digitalfox> is ion low resource?
[07:09] <emX> !info ion
[07:09] <nalioth> crow: i'm not sure if the fluxbox packager included a .desktop file
[07:09] <crow> havent heard of that one
[07:10] <digitalfox> nalioth, why would it? O.o
[07:10] <mmc_> boxingfiend... "no zip devices detected by system"  am i mising a driver for scsi or someting?
[07:10] <emX> ion's really low resource usage
[07:10] <mmc_> *something
[07:10] <emX> tiled window manager -- no overlapping windows.
[07:10] <nalioth> crow: if you dont see it in "sessions", you'll need to open a /usr/share/xsessions/ *.desktop file READONLY and use it as a template for the flux .desktop
[07:11] <digitalfox> you need to reboot gdm
[07:11] <thoreauputic> nalioth: there's a more serious issue with the hoary fluxbox which is only solved by compiling with --disable-xmb  (slow starts)
[07:11] <benplaut> crow: the minimum [on features]  i can handle is XFCE, but i abandoned it because the "start" button doesn't go all the way to the bottom-left corner :P
[07:11] <IcemanV9> emX: sounds like you needs a LARGE lcd to see all windows :P
[07:11] <digitalfox> to see the changes take effect
[07:11] <digitalfox> IcemanV9, that's what I was thinking :p
[07:11] <[2] BoxingFiend> mmc_: i am assuming your parallel is detected under /dev/sda.. if so then add to /etc/fstab; /dev/sda /zip auto auto 0 0, where /zip is the local directory you want to mount to
[07:11] <crow> i havent installed it yet, was going to ask to see if it works, before i tried installed
[07:11] <digitalfox> I wonder how much memory that saves
[07:11] <emX> IcemanV9: :-)
[07:11] <mmc_> boxingfiend... thx.. i'll be back
[07:11] <Wckdkl0wn> npdsply could not create direct show player    i get this error in firefox.. what do i have to isntall to fix it?
[07:11] <nalioth> thoreauputic: i dont use flux, but i have seen several users in here with less-used DMs, not have an entry in the sessions menu for their new DM
[07:11] <emX> digitalfox: funs about as low as straight X
[07:12] <emX> *runs
[07:12] <crow> benplaut: yeah, i dont require eyecandy though, as long as the system works for me...
[07:12] <thoreauputic> nalioth: correct - enlightenment is an example I think
[07:12] <emX> IcemanV9: use it on my laptop, with 15" screen at 1024...works fine.
[07:12] <digitalfox> I've never run straight X, only twm
[07:13] <nalioth> thoreauputic: i dont remember how many, but i've done it on my system for more than one
[07:13] <IcemanV9> emX: 15" @ 1024?? you're kidding, right?? not 1600 or 1400?
[07:13] <Wckdkl0wn> anyone know?
[07:13] <benplaut> crow: i'm stuck with the GUI config tools of Gnome :)
[07:13] <thoreauputic> nalioth: yes, i've done the same
[07:13] <emX> IcemanV9: blame the i810 drivers (or IBM); that's all it can do.
[07:13] <Wckdkl0wn> npdsply could not create direct show player    i get this error in firefox.. what do i have to isntall to fix it?
[07:14] <IcemanV9> emX: aw, shucks! too bad, i am using 1400 w/ 15"
[07:14] <erudeye> /dev/hda5       /mnt/data       ntfs    ro,users,umask  0       0 <<< this is on my fstab
[07:14] <thoreauputic> nalioth: flux does include fluxbox.desktop in the ubuntu package though
[07:14] <emX> IcemanV9: that'd be nice...
[07:14] <digitalfox> uh, the i810 drivers work fine at higher than 1024x768
[07:14] <erudeye> but i still can't read it
[07:14] <digitalfox> pretty sure...
[07:14] <[2] BoxingFiend> change users to user
[07:14] <emX> digitalfox: not with my specific chip
[07:14] <erudeye> ok
[07:14] <nalioth> thoreauputic: tx 4 the info
[07:14] <emX> digitalfox: i spent a weekend fiddling with it...
[07:15] <thoreauputic> nalioth: the trouble with the ubuntu fluxbox is it floods the font server or something - which slows the startup alarmingly (like 30 seconds or more)
[07:15] <dbernar1> oh thats why...
[07:16] <nalioth> thoreauputic: will have to keep that in mind, will it be addressed in 5.10?
[07:16] <dbernar1> I guess not alarmingly for me...
[07:16] <erudeye> You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "data". <<<< :(
[07:16] <thoreauputic> the issue is fixed by compiling flux with --disable-xmb
[07:16] <dbernar1> or alarmingly enough, to point to the reason.
[07:16] <erudeye> i didn't got the ide
[07:16] <erudeye> a
[07:17] <[2] BoxingFiend> make sure you sudo umount /mnt/data, then mount again
[07:17] <erudeye> hmm
[07:17] <thoreauputic> nalioth: I emailed the maintainer, but got no reply
[07:17] <ecliptik> my wireless card is crashing out randomly, it works fine when I'm in the room with the router but when I move away from it some the activity light goes solid and my networking is dead, any ideas on what's going on with it?
[07:17] <Wckdkl0wn> npdsply could not create direct show player    i get this error in firefox.. what do i have to isntall to fix it?
[07:17] <ecliptik> it's a netgear wg511 v1 pcmcia card using prism2 drivers
[07:17] <erudeye> :((
[07:17] <erudeye> it can't
[07:17] <thoreauputic> erudeye: did you edit fstab?
[07:18] <erudeye> /dev/hda5       /mnt/data       ntfs    ro,users,umask  0       0 <<< this is on my fstab
[07:18] <thoreauputic> erudeye: wrong
[07:18] <erudeye> should i restart?
[07:18] <erudeye> what wrong?
[07:18] <thoreauputic> /dev/hda5       /mnt/data       ntfs    noauto,ro,users,umask=022  0 0
[07:19] <keikoz> what's the umask for, if you dont put a value ?
[07:19] <erudeye> ok let me try
[07:19] <holycow> anyone here run cinelerra by chance?
[07:19] <[2] BoxingFiend> i think it's user not users for the options flag, let me check the man page
[07:19] <thoreauputic> erudeye: if you fix it you will be able to mount with "mount /mnt/data" as a user
[07:19] <keikoz> yes it is user
[07:20] <erudeye> hmm
[07:20] <erudeye> k
[07:20] <thoreauputic> [2] BoxingFiend: they do different things
[07:20] <keikoz> but i dont see what putting it for
[07:20] <keikoz> put umask=0222 that's enough
[07:20] <Wckdkl0wn> npdsply could not create direct show player    i get this error in firefox.. what do i have to isntall to fix it?
[07:20] <thoreauputic> users allows any user to umount
[07:20] <thoreauputic> user only the one who mounted it
[07:20] <keikoz> and the ro is not useful; you can't anyway write on it
[07:21] <yahalom> anyone using the StarterBar desklet?
[07:21] <thoreauputic> keikoz: it does no harm :)
[07:21] <keikoz> no that's sure
[07:21] <thoreauputic> keikoz: let's just get it working for him, OK?
[07:21] <keikoz> i just like making it simple, when it is possible
[07:21] <mmc_> boxingfiend... back... no go yet... /dev/sda not appearing
[07:22] <keikoz> rhaaaa he was asking, i explained him
[07:23] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, the gnome-system-tools version from breezy doesn't appear to work properly with sudo. It asks for my root password when i start time-admin, network-admin, shares-admin etc. and refuses to accept the password of my current user. if i remove the breey version and re-install the hoary version it uses gksdo i believe
[07:23] <imaek> How do I tell what is using alsa? It is lsof something
[07:23] <[2] BoxingFiend> mmc: cat /proc/scsi/scsi and see which drive is detected
[07:23] <thoreauputic> keikoz: well, we've been helping him, and there's no point in prolonging the agony with unecessary corrections :)
[07:23] <SysFail> has anybody gotten mp3 to audio cd burning to work????
[07:23] <yahalom> anyone?
[07:23] <dabaR> where is w32codecs? ubotu does not kno...
[07:23] <La_PaRCa> can i just add a resolution to my xorg.conf if its not there?
[07:23] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, even after using sudo with another application, it continued to ask me for my root password when i should have 15 minutes of access.
[07:24] <[2] BoxingFiend> !restricted
[07:24] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:24] <thoreauputic> dabaR: ^^^
[07:24] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, there is another a fix, make certain you get the latest one
[07:24] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, are you seeing this issue in breezy>
[07:24] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes, but it has been fixed
[07:24] <mmc_> boxingfiend "AttachedDevices: "
[07:24] <mmc_> boxingfiend.. nothing showing
[07:24] <dabaR> La_PaRCa: ya, you prolly could. or use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:24] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, it must have been fixed very recently because i just downloaded the source package off packages.ubuntu.com
[07:24] <La_PaRCa> dabaR, its not for me, its for a newbie, so I need to do it the easy way for me
[07:24] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, run breezy or run hoary, mixing is total crack
[07:24] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, does ubuntu have something like qa.debian.org that is more up to date?
[07:25] <mmc_> i feel like i must be missing scsi support in the kernel??? ya think?
[07:25] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, what does qa.debian.org?
[07:25] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i just wanted to see if gnome-system-tools had boot-admin
[07:25] <[2] BoxingFiend> mmc: it's there, forgot the module name for insmod
[07:25] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, it does, trust me
[07:25] <jasoncohen> i don't need the instability of breezy for that
[07:25] <thoreauputic> erudeye: please keep your questions in channel and ask before /msg ing or dcc chatting
[07:26] <dabaR> thoreauputic, [2] BoxingFiend: in fact, it is not there any more.
[07:26] <dabaR> Is it in backports, or marillat, what was it?
[07:26] <keikoz> thoreauputic
[07:26] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, package tracking system with up to date info + changelog info + bug info - see http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html
[07:26] <thoreauputic> dabaR: it's in backports I think
[07:26] <keikoz> that's a bill gates -style opinion :p
[07:26] <erudeye> :D
[07:26] <erudeye> ok
[07:26] <dabaR> i should just go see.
[07:26] <erudeye> but i'm confuse
[07:27] <thoreauputic> keikoz: chill
[07:27] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, that is nifty. I believe launchpad will have something similar
[07:27] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, debian has a much better infrastructure for handling bugs (reportbug provides useful info that isn't available through bugzilla)
[07:27] <thoreauputic> keikoz: thanks for the gratuitous insult
[07:27] <keikoz> rhoooo
[07:27] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/products/gepolabo/
[07:27] <keikoz> was joking xD
[07:28] <mmc_> <scrathing head>
[07:28] <thoreauputic> keikoz: since you feel like hijacking the process, feel free to help erudeye and I'll disappear happily
[07:28] <dabaR> bah, I really did not have them installed.
[07:28] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, that's for stock quotes, isn't it?
[07:28] <keikoz> no, i go to sleep
[07:28] <dabaR> I am not using my ubuntu, it seems.
[07:28] <[2] BoxingFiend> is scsi support, scsi disk support, and iomega parallel port zip drive scsi support compile by the default kernel?
[07:28] <dabaR> ok, I go to something else.
[07:29] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, qa.debian.org is updated live i believe. packages.debian.org/packages.ubuntu.com get updated once a day at most or less
[07:29] <iceman> Anyone using 64 bit ubuntu ...
[07:29] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, qa.debian.org is done based on source packages. it's more a tool for develoeprs
[07:29] <jasoncohen> *developers
[07:30] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, launchpad is also sources packages
[07:30] <Burgundavia> it is very much a tool for developers
[07:30] <erudeye> OK i got it, thanx guys
[07:30] <Orborde> Where does Ubuntu store its default interface info for eth0? I can't make eth0 remember the static IP address I assigned it past a reboot.
[07:30] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, btw, do you have firefox 1.0.5 in breezy? it went into sid on 7/16
[07:30] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, not currently
[07:30] <keikoz> thoreauputic i'm sorry, didnt want to hurt you
[07:30] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, Ubuntu just passed the Upstream Version Freeze
[07:30] <keikoz> and i dont search pbls ... ^^
[07:31] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, ...already?
[07:31] <jsgotangco> it did
[07:31] <iceman> I'm looking at a upgrade ... to 64 bit AMD based System ... need advice ..
[07:31] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[07:32] <ColonelKernel> still getting very slow dns resolution
[07:32] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, so breezy may actually be decently stable in a few weeks?
[07:32] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, notice any similarities? --> http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/TwoPointEleven
[07:32] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, might
[07:33] <Burgundavia> gnome 2.12 is still coming
[07:33] <Burgundavia> and the X stuff isn't finished yet
[07:33] <holycow> by the way, if anyone is interested, the cinelerra rpms from http://heroinewarrior.com/download.php3 convert fine with alien and install cleanly it seems
[07:33] <holycow> neat
[07:33] <bluefoxicy> oh my GOD
[07:34] <bluefoxicy> http://opensource.com/
[07:34] <bluefoxicy> evil.
[07:34] <jsgotangco> JaneW, hi
[07:34] <highvoltage> JaneW: I second that :)
[07:34] <Orborde> Where does Ubuntu store its default interface info for eth0? I can't make eth0 remember the static IP address I assigned it past a reboot. Help, please?
[07:34] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, well, the ubuntu release schedule will have to be flagrantly ignored to get 2.12 in
[07:34] <holycow> bluefoxicy, they write quite a lot of open source and support quite a bit of open source development
[07:34] <holycow> i
[07:35] <holycow> i'm happy they are making money frankly
[07:35] <Orborde> I'm assigning it with "ifconfig -a eth0 27.0.0.2", and it works until I reboot.
[07:35] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, most of the features are already there
[07:35] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, for gnome 2.12
[07:35] <highvoltage> bluefoxicy: that is evil.
[07:35] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, and that is one thing that does ignore the feature freeze, due to how closely Ubuntu works with gnome
[07:36] <jasoncohen> so, after august 11th, there will be no more updates for most everything else?
[07:36] <jasoncohen> since that's the featurefreeze date
[07:36] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, only stablization stuff
[07:37] <mjkelly93> anybody know what command or program is used to configure the "ati" module for ati cards?    Im looking for a program similar to fglrxconfig, except for the ati module?
[07:38] <jasoncohen> i still don't understand ubuntu's policy on firefox. i get the theoretical argument for not having packages change versions due to potential library changes and thus breakage in other apps, but that need not happen with firefox AND more importantly the ubuntu security team doesn't seem to be able to keep up with firefox updates- especially on warty
[07:38] <JaneW> morning :)
[07:38] <Madpilot> does "Upstream Freeze" for Breezy mean that the latest version of Screem (among others) won't be in Breezy?
[07:38] <jasoncohen> it took quite a while to get al of 1.0.4's fixes backported (over 2 weeks) and there's been nothing for warty and it's been nearly 2 months!
[07:39] <QaDeS> anyone can help me setting up my wpa encrypted wlan?
[07:39] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, how do you feel about ubuntu's policy on upgrading packages- in particular firefox
[07:39] <[2] BoxingFiend> Ordorde: /etc/network/interfaces for default values
[07:39] <Andrewcool> Hello
[07:40] <Andrewcool> anybody there?
[07:40] <jasoncohen> QaDeS, you'll want to use wpasupplicant. i can show you my config file. I use WPA-PSK. there are also examples installed.
[07:40] <Madpilot> Andrewcool: only 405 of us... :)
[07:40] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, same as debians
[07:40] <QaDeS> ok :)
[07:40] <Andrewcool> :D well umm 403 can be asleep :D
[07:41] <jordan> hi
[07:41] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, true- but debian doesn't cater to desktop users
[07:41] <jordan> hi
[07:41] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, they also don't care as much about ease of use
[07:41] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, as long as the security fixes get in, I am fine
[07:41] <Andrewcool> Well umm i have a question about Ubuntu
[07:41] <jordan> HI
[07:41] <Andrewcool> Hello..
[07:41] <Burgundavia> Andrewcool, don't ask to ask, just ask
[07:41] <Andrewcool> Will can Ubuntu do duel like xp and Ubuntu
[07:41] <jordan> :)
[07:41] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, well, they don't in a timely fashion. 2 weeks is a long time for hoary and it's been 2 months and there's no updates for warty. hoary's mozilla never was patched
[07:41] <jordan> bye
[07:42] <Madpilot> !dualboot
[07:42] <ubotu> dualboot is probably http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38398 or ask me about <grub>
[07:42] <Madpilot> !grub
[07:42] <ubotu> grub is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[07:42] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, and the breakage of mozilla's extension site was unfortunate- and not mozilla's fault
[07:42] <Andrewcool> ok thanks
[07:42] <Madpilot> Andrewcool: you should look at the 'grub' link that was just posted
[07:42] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes it was actually, if you read the bug
[07:43] <jasoncohen> they make a valid argument that by distributing firefox in the way that debian, ubuntu and other distros distribute it, you're not getting an official mozilla package and when things break they get the complaints- like the inability to use extensions. in order for them to have safely allowed ubuntu users, they would have had to look at the full version tag of firefox- and do the same for all distros
[07:44] <jasoncohen> and at the time they merely wanted to block access to old firefox versions which was more important than catering to all the distros
[07:44] <SysFail> would be nice if konqueror worked without crashing...wouldnt need firefox :)
[07:44] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, the reason mozilla had to break u.m.o is because they cannot tell if a version is patched except through the vendorstring
[07:44] <jasoncohen> for me the issue is that it's unacceptable that mozilla-browser still hiasn't been patched and that warty's firefox and mozilla haven't been patched
[07:45] <QaDeS> jasoncohen, i instaled wpasupplicant now
[07:45] <andrewcool_away> Is there a easyier way to do duel install.. :D
[07:45] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i thought they could
[07:45] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, nope
[07:45] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, so, are they doing anything to change that?
[07:45] <Madpilot> duel install? is that where the two OSes fight with each other?
[07:46] <andrewcool> umm *confushed*
[07:46] <hondje> they take 10 inodes and fire
[07:46] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, since firefox is perhaps the #1 used app in ubuntu and mozilla-browser is in main, ubuntu should either have timely security updates or it should release the newest version available
[07:46] <Madpilot> it's spelled "dual", andrewcool... and those URLs are the standard resources
[07:47] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, security patching is not easy
[07:47] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, it's not as big as an issue on debian because if you are running etch, you can easily install the latest version from sid and sarge users tend not to be desktop users- at least that i have seen
[07:47] <Burgundavia> they always need more people to help
[07:47] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i know it isn't. that's why i don't think this particular app should be patched
[07:47] <Wckdkl0wn> npdsply error occurs in firefox how would i fix it... i did google for it but keeps coming up as a problem for windows
[07:47] <Madpilot> gah... someone pls remind me what I enter to figure out my kernal version?
[07:47] <Gatton> uname -a
[07:47] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, I happen to agree with you, but convince the powers that be
[07:48] <jasoncohen> heh, that will be hard
[07:48] <Madpilot> Gatton: thnx...
[07:48] <holycow> http://cvs.cinelerra.org/packages.html#apt-x86  <-- cinelerra via apt
[07:48] <holycow> neato
[07:48] <Gatton> Madpilot np. Finally an easy question I can answer ;)
[07:48] <Madpilot> Gatton: start small and work up! ;)
[07:48] <iceman> Anyone using 64 bit ...
[07:49] <swarm> iceman: me
[07:49] <iceman> swarm what processor
[07:49] <Wckdkl0wn> anyone?
[07:49] <swarm> iceman: mobile amd64
[07:49] <iceman> swarm what speed ..
[07:49] <swarm> iceman: fast
[07:49] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, remember when you were telling me that the documentation has to be easy to use for grandmothers? Well, a newbie expects to have the latest version of firefox. they don't understand the concept of backporting security fixes. When things break, regardless of who's fault it is, the users pay. Debian users wont' mind changing a string in about:config but many new Ubuntu users would mind. It's just easier and more secur
[07:49] <jasoncohen> e for the users to have timely and official updated firefox packages
[07:50] <swarm> iceman: which is your problem?
[07:50] <jasoncohen> i'm glad you agree though. i just don't understand why the ubuntu developers are so opposed to the position that seems to have a lot of support
[07:50] <iceman> swarm: i'm looking to move from a p4 2.8 to a AMD 64 3000... want to know whats out htere for 64 bit ..
[07:52] <bojangles> man that is hard to believe that India is pirating windows at 80%...I always thought they were the most honest people and that they would each pay $20,000 for a basic version of MS enterprise
[07:52] <swarm> iceman: there is good support but not perfect. Depends on what you need. Ubuntu works fine for what I need. Of course wine still doesn't work. Check even debian-amd64.
[07:52] <robotgeek> bojangles: lol
[07:52] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i personally just installed the official firefox build. Unfortunately that solution isn't as nice for upgrades, is more difficult for new users, and requires manual linking to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[07:52] <iceman> What software is out supporting 64 bit ..
[07:52] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes
[07:52] <andrewcool>  i have a amd 64 anthlon but do i get the intel or amd64 install cd
[07:53] <Burgundavia> iceman, almost everything in the ubuntu repos can run on amd64
[07:53] <HrdwrBoB> andrewcool: you can get either
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> andrewcool,  if you want the 64bit disrto get the amd64
[07:53] <andrewcool> which one is better :D...
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> however going '64 bit' can have some annoying issues.
[07:53] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, doesn't everything in main have to be supported on all 3 archs?
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> so i stick to the 32 bit for the time being.
[07:53] <iceman> What issues...
[07:53] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes
[07:53] <bojangles> robotgeek, what is so funny...the prices escalate far beyond that per person for a basic enterprise system plus a few enhancements
[07:53] <swarm> andrewcool: if you want most stable thing use intel install. if you want most performance but a few things not working use amd64 install as I'm doing.
[07:54] <robotgeek> bojangles: how did u arrive at the 80% figure?
[07:54] <andrewcool> ok thanks
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> flash,  some other web things..   cedega/wine quirks..
[07:54] <bojangles> robotgeek, that is what this dude said earlier in here.
[07:54] <robotgeek> bojangles: sorry, just came in :). I think the figure would be much higher, though
[07:54] <jasoncohen> swarm, there are packages missing from amd64 like mplayer
[07:54] <iceman> I know my p4 lacks hyperthreading... so i gain hyper transport in the move ...
[07:55] <bojangles> robotgeek, well i can't understand why they don't each pay the $20,000 to get started and be honest.
[07:55] <swarm> jasoncohen:  yes indeed
[07:55] <jasoncohen> swarm, anything in main will be on amd64 but bets are off for univese and multiverse. most apps are built for amd64 but not all. it depends on what *you* need
[07:55] <robotgeek> bojangles: i think it's difficult if that represents your life savings!
[07:55] <swarm> jasoncohen:  that's what I have tried to say. even debian amd64 misses some hundred packages over almost 6000.
[07:55] <Wckdkl0wn> npdsply error occurs in firefox how would i fix it... i did google for it but keeps coming up as a problem for windows
[07:55] <jasoncohen> swarm, it can't be 6,000. i thought they had 98-99% of packages
[07:56] <kidaa> it's a long shot but does anybody here have any experience using ubuntu in a medical practice at either user or support?
[07:56] <bojangles> robotgeek, that is no excuse...they know that MS is on the side of "intellectual robbery....i mean property"
[07:56] <iceman> and the move will cost me less that 200.oo for the motherboard, processor, and case ...
[07:56] <swarm> jasoncohen: no, I mean 98% of about 6000.
[07:56] <jasoncohen> well, debian doesn't even have an OO version for amd64. hoary just has a 32 bit version for amd64 because it won't compile clean for a 64 bit processor
[07:56] <jasoncohen> swarm, you mean 16,000
[07:56] <jasoncohen> debian sarge has approximately 15,250 packages
[07:57] <jasoncohen> sid has in the mid 16,000s
[07:57] <iceman> Need to find informatin on the IBM AS/400 Servers ... know where there is one i might get cheap ..
[07:57] <bojangles> jasoncohen, yes sarge has quite a bit...but not everything works
[07:57] <swarm> jasoncohen: perhaps I have missed first number :D
[07:57] <andrewcool> ok when i install this..well it detect xp and partion the harddrive?
[07:58] <cafuego> !dstats hoary
[07:58] <ubotu> Ubuntu Distro Stats on hoary... 16270 packages, 1437 maintainers, 31005 MB installed size, 9820 MB compressed size.
[07:58] <jasoncohen> bojangles, the debian maintainers are damn good. everything in "main" on sarge should work as it's been thouroughly tested, and remember- main on debian probably includes 13-14,000 packages. it encompasses all free software, unlike ubuntu
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> I find it much safer to install linux onto its own Hard drive.
[07:58] <[2] BoxingFiend> kidaa: hard question to answer, linux is so versatile, from a firewall, LAMP, desktop replacement... I personally don't know of linux distro in the medical field, but my wife uses linux on her laptop and she's in the medical field
[07:58] <bojangles> jasoncohen, well most of the stuff works...but there is a lot more than just main
[07:58] <supernix> Uptime: 4 days, 10 hours and 7 minutes
[07:58] <cafuego> Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1468 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size
[07:58] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, that is fud. Ubuntu has everything in Debian and more
[07:58] <jasoncohen> bojangles, no- you don't understand
[07:58] <Centaur5> So if a program won't work on the amd64 the package manager won't list it?
[07:58] <jasoncohen> bojangles, main on debian is NOT LIKE MAIN ON UBUNTU
[07:59] <cafuego> And those are the ACTUAL number, as opposed to made-up ones.
[07:59] <jasoncohen> main on ubuntu contains 2 or 3,000 packages
[07:59] <Amaranth> cafuego: Most of ubuntu's 'maintainers' showing up there are actuall debian folks
[07:59] <jasoncohen> main on debian includes 90-95% of packages
[07:59] <glick> damnit where are the decent games?
[07:59] <robotgeek> so, now we have FUD in debian vs ubuntu!
[07:59] <jasoncohen> so 14,000+
[07:59] <robotgeek> glick: tuxracer!
[07:59] <glick> arnt there any decent and fun games for linux i can get into?
[07:59] <bojangles> jasoncohen, well i see thousands of packages at the sunsite repository and there is a lot more than just main
[07:59] <cafuego> Amaranth: yes, but they're still package maintainers ;-)
[07:59] <iceman> glick america's army for linux ...
[07:59] <glick> robotgeek, tuxracer is fun for about 2 mintures
[07:59] <jasoncohen> bojangles, you can't blame debian for broken UNOFFICIAL packages
[07:59] <Amaranth> !dstats breezy
[07:59] <glick> iceman, i dont have a fantastic video card
[07:59] <ubotu> Ubuntu Distro Stats on breezy... 16845 packages, 1567 maintainers, 31667 MB installed size, 10018 MB compressed size.
[08:00] <Madpilot> glick: Scorched3d. it's in the repos
[08:00] <holycow> glick, heh
[08:00] <robotgeek> glick: :), chess, blackjack!
[08:00] <Amaranth> yay, lots bigger
[08:00] <bojangles> jasoncohen, well what is the official apt sources.
[08:00] <iceman> glick what video ... you got
[08:00] <Dr_Willis> glick,  hundreds of them  :P   - but I tend to like Emulators/Old-Skool
[08:00] <glick> laptop nvidia4
[08:00] <bojangles> jasoncohen, because i had to look around and find several universities and also sunsite
[08:00] <glick> MX
[08:00] <iceman> nvidia.. what memory
[08:00] <Burgundavia> glick, look for something called glest
[08:00] <glick> 32megs
[08:00] <ian_> glick: get snes9x
[08:00] <glick> glest?
[08:00] <Amaranth> geforce4MX was always 32MB, iirc
[08:00] <glick> ian_, heh i have tha
[08:00] <glick> tat
[08:00] <glick> that
[08:00] <iceman> glick dang 64 bit and you could play aao
[08:01] <ian_> glick: what kind of games do you want?
[08:01] <glick> whats aao?
[08:01] <iceman> try wolfenstein enemy terratory ...
[08:01] <glick> ian_, like a game i can get into
[08:01] <jasoncohen> bojangles, check out packages.debian.org. nearly everything is in main. contrib and non-free only have packages that can't be included in main for licensing reasons. everything in main gets full security support and is thoroughly tested. they're not handpicked packages like in ubuntu main. it includes everything- which is why debian takes forever to release. they are testing 10s of thousands of packages on 11 architectures and
[08:01] <jasoncohen> have very high stability standards
[08:01] <glick> i like management sims
[08:01] <Centaur5> what's the coolest game you could put on an ati 9700 128 meg video card?
[08:01] <glick> trade sims
[08:01] <iceman> glick america's army online ... aao
[08:01] <[2] BoxingFiend> glick: freeciv
[08:01] <glick> iceman, ah
[08:01] <glick> [2] BoxingFiend, freeciv would be fine except....i have played sid miers civ so i cant possibly go back to anything less
[08:02] <[2] BoxingFiend> centaur5: neverwinter runs smooth on that
[08:02] <iceman> check on enemy terratory ... might be playable ... and it full install and free ..
[08:02] <jasoncohen> bojangles, packages.debian.org lists all packages in debian- search sarge
[08:02] <cafuego> Centaur5: Transport Tycoon Deluxe. Mind you, that would also run fine on a 256MB vga card
[08:02] <jasoncohen> all official packages that is
[08:02] <cafuego> 256Kb even
[08:02] <[2] BoxingFiend> centaur5: doom3 runs well on 128 megs
[08:02] <Centaur5> doom3 runs on linux?
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> if you can see in the dark... doom3 is fun. :P
[08:02] <glick> what linux games do you play?
[08:02] <robotgeek> i have a old machine, so i'm better off playing chess/blackjack
[08:03] <jasoncohen> Centaur5, a ati 9700 pro is a damn good card...the drivers on the other hand aren't so good but you should be able to play most any game.
[08:03] <[2] BoxingFiend> there is a wine config for it somewhere
[08:03] <Madpilot> gnomeMines.
[08:03] <phaedrus_> wuts a good place for mp3 torrents?
[08:03] <QaDeS> jasoncohen, i creates a config via wpa_passprase, but starting wpy_supplicant yields "ioctl[IPW_IOCTL_WPA_SUPPLICANT] : Operation not supported"
[08:03] <Centaur5> jasoncohen: Well that is the video card my laptop has, so it's actually a 9700 mobile if that makes a difference
[08:03] <Burgundavia> phaedrus_, not in #ubuntu
[08:03] <phaedrus_> : 00
[08:03] <robotgeek> phaedrus_: not here!
[08:03] <phaedrus_> : )
[08:03] <jasoncohen> Centaur5, sure does
[08:03] <cafuego> jasoncohen: All those packages are also in ubuntu, they're just not in main becasue 1) Downloadign a 2MB package list takes forever on dialup and 2) Most of those packages are not used. (See popularity-contest).
[08:03] <jasoncohen> ati 9700 pro was top of the line when it came out. it was a very good card
[08:04] <robotgeek> !ops
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[08:04] <phaedrus_> im not on my ubuntu box right now..i have this channel programmed for startup
[08:04] <phaedrus_> lol
[08:04] <Amaranth> hi
[08:04] <jasoncohen> cafuego, i know the reasoning behind ubuntu's main
[08:04] <robotgeek> hi
[08:04] <Centaur5> So I assume that most of these games you guys are talking about requires wine?
[08:04] <Amaranth> phaedrus_: Please don't discuss illegal activities in this channel.
[08:04] <phaedrus_> no prob
[08:05] <Amaranth> :D
[08:05] <[2] BoxingFiend> neverwinter and aa is about the only 2 linux ported games i know
[08:05] <jasoncohen> cafuego, but you missed a few important reasons- a) ubuntu has 50 or so developers whereas debian has about 1400 maintainers, b) canonnical provides support and can't support 15,000 packages
[08:05] <phaedrus_> i just downoad backups because my cd ripping doesnt werk...
[08:05] <phaedrus_> peace
[08:05] <Swedish_Chef> does ubuntu have the option of installing a barebones system, a la a new install of debian?
[08:05] <jasoncohen> and not all of those packages are so uncommon. main doesn't even have midnight commander/mcedit
[08:05] <Burgundavia> Swedish_Chef, install the server option
[08:05] <glick> why is the army releasing first person shooter games?
[08:05] <phaedrus_> well...try server install at install boot
[08:05] <Burgundavia> glick, marketing
[08:06] <Amaranth> Swedish_Chef: Yep, boot the installer with the 'server' option.
[08:06] <crow> does ubuntu have a fluxbux package?
[08:06] <Burgundavia> crow, yes
[08:06] <robotgeek> crow: fluxbox
[08:06] <[2] BoxingFiend> glick:  recruitment campaign
[08:06] <Madpilot> !info fluxbox
[08:06] <ubotu> fluxbox: (Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.11-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 626 kB, Installed size: 1988 kB
[08:06] <jasoncohen> you also need universe for many important apps for a server - spamassassin, many php4 modules, openvpn etc.
[08:06] <glick> so you can be like wow! i wanna get my head blown off in real life just like i did in the game!
[08:06] <phaedrus_> army has had first person shooter games for years...trained on them when i was in the marine corp
[08:06] <crow> apt-get install fluxbox says package not found
[08:06] <robotgeek> whoa..ubotu is nice!
[08:06] <Amaranth> phaedrus_: Sure, but now they use 3rd party games. :)
[08:07] <robotgeek> !repositories
[08:07] <ubotu> repositories is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:07] <[2] BoxingFiend> crow: you need to add universe to /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:07] <cafuego> jasoncohen: To be honest, people who need a stable production server won't be running ubuntu on it.
[08:07] <phaedrus_> : )
[08:07] <Swedish_Chef> does the server option install anything on top of the base distro?
[08:07] <crow> thanks
[08:07] <jasoncohen> cafuego, ubuntu is a highly polished desktop system but it's lacking on the server side since many server apps don't get security updates (they're in universe)
[08:07] <Amaranth> like America's Army
[08:07] <Madpilot> robotgeek: ubotu is a real robot geek... ;)
[08:07] <jasoncohen> cafuego, heh...a lot of people run servers on fc3
[08:07] <robotgeek> Madpilot: they took our joooob :)
[08:07] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: They're nuts. :P
[08:07] <jasoncohen> Swedish_Chef, it just installs ubuntu-base which is very slim indeed
[08:07] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, wikipedia runs nearly all their servers on fc3
[08:07] <kidaa> i please get the command to list all partitions / harddrives detected by ubuntu (again)
[08:07] <cafuego> jasoncohen: Yes, but they also paid for a RCSE.
[08:07] <jasoncohen> kidaa, fdisk -l
[08:08] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Yeah, and they use gcj and mono too, they _are_ nuts.
[08:08] <cafuego> jasoncohen: SO i think we can discount their opinion outright.
[08:08] <Madpilot> gcj?
[08:08] <jasoncohen> heh, i would use debian
[08:08] <cafuego> !info gcj
[08:08] <ubotu> gcj: (The GNU Java compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.5-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
[08:08] <cafuego> jasoncohen: Indeed.
[08:08] <graue> hey, I have a partly used CD-RW disc that I want to add more stuff to, how do I do that in Ubuntu?
[08:08] <jasoncohen> though i  get kernel page faults in 2.6.8
[08:08] <Swedish_Chef> why would anyone want to run a real server on fedora? the 6 month release cycle and lack of support, plus the fact that you're supposed to do a clean install makes servers a nightmare...
[08:08] <robotgeek> people like me have to use gcj (ppc)
[08:08] <jasoncohen> could be related to my ivtv card (mythtv system)
[08:09] <cafuego> robotgeek: There's an IBM jdk.
[08:09] <Amaranth> robotgeek: Sure, but you're not running a site like wikipedia. :)
[08:09] <robotgeek> robotgeek: i know, but firefox keeps crashing
[08:09] <Amaranth> They switch back and forth between using Java Lucene and Lucene-Sharp for searches, appearently.
[08:09] <cat> try reporting a bug, or see what's making firefox to crash
[08:09] <robotgeek> no java for me, me happy without it!
[08:10] <jasoncohen> cafuego, i tried 2.6.11 from etch but it wouldn't compile ivtv. that driver is so finicky...you need the right firmware/driver/kernel combo to get it to compile, heh
[08:10] <robotgeek> cat: yeah...will do
[08:10] <jasoncohen> robotgeek, talking to yourself now?
[08:10] <robotgeek> jasoncohen: i am not real, am i?
[08:11] <cafuego> robotgeek: You won't be using java in firefox if you're not on i386.
[08:11] <Velcan> anyone around that can tell me how to save the output of zenity to a var?
[08:11] <cafuego> robotgeek: botsnack
[08:11] <robotgeek> cafuego: and why is that??
[08:11] <cat> Velcan: man bash
[08:11] <jasoncohen> cafuego, anyways, ubuntu mentioned something about a corporate/server release with a 12-24 month release cycle
[08:12] <jasoncohen> "Ubuntu will make a new release every six months. In addition, we may make an Enterprise Release every 12 to 24 months, which will receive additional testing."
[08:12] <cafuego> robotgeek: Coz java on non-i386 Linux is crap at the best of times.
[08:12] <Velcan> oh didnt think i would find it in there. thanks
[08:12] <jasoncohen> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases/document_view
[08:12] <jasoncohen> does ubuntu have the resources to maintain a desktop distro + a server distro?
[08:12] <cafuego> jasoncohen: Yes. I expect that will have a limited set of packages and optional payware support.
[08:12] <cat> jasoncohen: www.ubuntu.com
[08:12] <robotgeek> cafuego: true, it was all right on OS X, linux, esp ppc has been nothing short of a nightmare!
[08:13] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes
[08:13] <jasoncohen> cat, huh? i obviously know ubuntu's site. i just pasted a link
[08:13] <cafuego> robotgeek: it's fine once you decide flash and java are both crufty distractions.
[08:13] <jasoncohen> cafuego, a limited set of packages? the problem currently is that the set of packges in main is TOO limited for a server
[08:13] <robotgeek> cafuego: :), it works well for me! not having java and flash!
[08:14] <cafuego> jasoncohen: Nobody said they would be using the *same* main (or not include universe/multiverse by default)
[08:14] <ugo> huh? i have an amd64....java64 works quite well thank you
[08:14] <ugo> how do you mean?
[08:14] <cafuego> ugo: In mozilla? As plugin?
[08:14] <jasoncohen> cafuego, "Yes. I expect that will have a limited set of packages and optional payware support.
[08:14] <robotgeek> damn firefox crashed again (no script extension)
[08:14] <jasoncohen> isn't that the same as ubuntu now?
[08:15] <cafuego> jasoncohen: "I expect" - note I am guessing.
[08:15] <ugo> cafeugo: oh that...i never set it up....are there issues?
[08:15] <cafuego> ugo: Yeah, there is no plugin. Hence my remark.
[08:15] <jasoncohen> main is limited to the packages ubuntu wants to support. universe is just taken from debian
[08:15] <Velcan> cat:  looking at man bash - do you know how? I'm wondering if im on the right track by thinking maybe i need to turn my zenity command into a function?
[08:15] <cafuego> jasoncohen: support != enterprise support
[08:15] <jasoncohen> robotgeek, it seems to take a while- took over 2 weeks last time. i just installed the official mozilla build
[08:15] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, have you seen the announcment of the ubuntu foundation?'
[08:16] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, the 10M donation to create a new foundation.
[08:16] <jasoncohen> i heard about it- don't know the details
[08:16] <steve_> what is a multiverse
[08:16] <cafuego> steve_: a possibly infinite collection of universes
[08:17] <robotgeek> jasoncohen: i am on ppc, so mozilla build doesn't work
[08:17] <steve_> cafuego, im scared....
[08:17] <robotgeek> jasoncohen: i dunno if they have a ppc veersion
[08:17] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, 6.04 will be an enterprise release. 5 years of support on the server, 3 on the desktop
[08:17] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, very nice
[08:17] <Rattboi> poop
[08:17] <steve_> :|
[08:17] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, do you have a URL on that info?
[08:17] <crow> !info aterm
[08:17] <ubotu> aterm: (Afterstep XVT - a VT102 emulator for the X window system), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.4.2-10 (hoary), Packaged size: 90 kB, Installed size: 276 kB
[08:18] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, and what's the release cycle going to be like?
[08:18] <ugo> cafeugo: that'll hurt
[08:18] <steve_> !info pr0n
[08:18] <ugo> !info
[08:18] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, the current 6 month cycle will continue in parallel
[08:18] <jasoncohen> are there plans to expand main to include more server stuff for the 6 month releases?
[08:18] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, support for 5 years == no new release for 5 years
[08:18] <Gatton> cuz you can never have too many terms
[08:19] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, you sure? RHEL has support for 5 or 7 years but releases every 18 months
[08:19] <ugo> one thing i'm curious about is the naming structure for ubuntu
[08:19] <graue> am I in the wrong channel? is there a support channel somewhere I should use?
[08:19] <graue> I'd really just like to know how to use CD-RW discs...
[08:19] <ugo> so we've got warty warthog...hairy hedgehog...
[08:19] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, "Ubuntu will make a new release every six months. In addition, we may make an Enterprise Release every 12 to 24 months, which will receive additional testing."
[08:19] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes, fairly certain
[08:19] <jasoncohen> not 5 years
[08:19] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, ok
[08:19] <eyequeue> hoary hedehog
[08:19] <bojangles> well i don't know who the was but he said India was #3 on the list and was not paying $20,000 for each copy of windows
[08:20] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases/document_view
[08:20] <bojangles> crimsun was there in the channel...maybe he remembers
[08:20] <ugo> is there any chance they'll run out of matching word animal pairs?
[08:20] <eyequeue> breezy badger
[08:20] <ugo> lets see zany zebra
[08:20] <Nsaneice> zany zebra
[08:20] <Nsaneice> hey
[08:21] <Nsaneice> I need to enable timestamps
[08:21] <ugo> Nsaneice i am a mind reader...
[08:21] <glick> what are games that you can play over and over again and that last a while?
[08:21] <eyequeue> Nsaneice:  in?
[08:21] <Nsaneice> Well your good, sometimes I can't read my own mind...
[08:21] <[2] BoxingFiend> glick: neverwinter
[08:21] <jasoncohen> anyone know if gnomebaker is going to go into main? the latest release has fewer dependencies from universe and it can create audio & data CDs as well as DVDs. serpentine only does audio
[08:21] <glick> [2] BoxingFiend, free games
[08:21] <Nsaneice> XChat
[08:22] <ugo> Nsaneice yeah i was wondering why there was a brick wall somewhere
[08:22] <graue> jasoncohen, do I need that in order to rewrite to CD-RW discs?
[08:22] <Nsaneice> Just to see how far apart ugo and my post was
[08:22] <eyequeue> Nsaneice:  settings > preferences > interface > text...
[08:22] <eyequeue> 4 seconds, here
[08:22] <ugo> hmm....an animal that starts with q
[08:22] <jasoncohen> graue, i dont' believe so. nautilus probably supports CD-RWs
[08:22] <bojangles> that is hard to believe that India is pirating at 80%
[08:22] <glick> whats with that game thats on the open cid
[08:22] <glick> the open cd
[08:22] <Nsaneice> Thanks eyequeue
[08:23] <graue> jasoncohen, how would I add to one that already has stuff on it?
[08:23] <jasoncohen> but i think gnomebaker is important to have as nautilus isn't a full fledged cd burning app
[08:23] <eyequeue> np
[08:23] <glick> whats it called the battle for wesnoth
[08:23] <QaDeS_> re
[08:23] <graue> I see
[08:23] <bojangles> and that they rank #3 on the list...instead of each person paying $20,000 for a legal copy of windows
[08:23] <glick> how is that
[08:23] <jasoncohen> graue, i've never done it- sorry
[08:23] <graue> ok, thanks, I'll try gnomebaker
[08:23] <nagual> where is the documentation for /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[08:23] <Madpilot> glick: wesnoth is in the U repos. it's good
[08:23] <robotgeek> bojangles: i am from india. I am now studying in the US, but I did not know anyone who has a legal copy of windows
[08:24] <ugo> bojangles well im really happy you dont fix the prices of m$ windows
[08:24] <bojangles> robotgeek, you mean nobody wants to pay MS $20,000 for a legal copy of windows
[08:24] <jasoncohen> robotgeek, no one purchased a PC with windows on it?
[08:24] <hondje> as jasoncohen described...never used it though
[08:24] <hyphenated> bojangles: was the source of that stat just about india, or did it include other countries?
[08:24] <jasoncohen> basically everyone who buys a PC has purchased a legal copy of windows
[08:24] <bojangles> ugo, i don't fix the prices...MS reports the prices on their website
[08:24] <robotgeek> bojangles: well, lemme see...no!
[08:24] <ugo> 20k?
[08:24] <jasoncohen> i have a legal copy of windows but i didn't pay for it. it was given to me
[08:25] <QaDeS_> jasoncohen, may i past you the output in a query?
[08:25] <bojangles> ugo, yes and that is just for the basics.
[08:25] <Madpilot> jasoncohen: unless - like most of the ppl I know - you buy parts & roll your own comp...
[08:25] <GhostFreeman> Anyone here know how to get voodoo 3 to run X
[08:25] <robotgeek> jasoncohen: well, ther's a difference in the way it works
[08:25] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  i recommend asking for it "bare" (all reputable shops around here do that)
[08:25] <ugo> i got mine on discount...$10
[08:25] <hondje> I don't thinkI know anyone with a pirated copy of windows
[08:25] <bojangles> ugo, just for 5 user licenses it starts at $4000
[08:25] <glick> how is bzflag?
[08:25] <GhostFreeman> all my attempts to do so excluding vesa don't work
[08:25] <jasoncohen> Madpilot, that's what i've done as well- but most pc users don't
[08:25] <bojangles> ugo, and for MSSQL it escates beyond calculation
[08:25] <bojangles> escalates
[08:25] <eyequeue> glick:  i've heard it's violent, something to do with tanks i think
[08:25] <jasoncohen> eyequeue, i build my own boxes. i was just saying most people don't and therefore paid for windows
[08:25] <Madpilot> glick: bzflag is fast, goofy and oddly addictive...
[08:25] <jasoncohen> QaDeS, the output of what?
[08:26] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  gotcha
[08:26] <cafuego> Do you ever get those support emails that make you go "I'm not doing your homework for you" ?
[08:26] <ugo> yeah i did pricing for a company once....
[08:26] <hyphenated> glick: it looks about as cool as 3D games from the late 80's
[08:26] <QaDeS_> jasoncohen, of my wpa_supplicant
[08:26] <ugo> bojangles funny how i forgot bout it....
[08:26] <QaDeS_> it's getting further, but it won't connect
[08:26] <glick> hyphenated, is that good or bad
[08:26] <hondje> bzflag is awesome
[08:26] <QaDeS_> No suitable AP found
[08:27] <robotgeek> jasoncohen: the big guns like HP/Compaq come with legal version. but the build ur own is much cheaper
[08:27] <robotgeek> jasoncohen: and those people generally prefer not to buy their windows copies
[08:27] <hyphenated> glick: it depends. do you like games for their looks, or for how fun they are?
[08:27] <jasoncohen> QaDeS, sure
[08:27] <glick> hyphenated, mostly how fun they are
[08:27] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  i build my own, and definitely prefer not to buy ms things :)
[08:27] <Madpilot> MS charges about $400 Canadian for a retail copy of XP Pro. that's obscene...
[08:27] <ugo> hey i did a manual build of openafs yesterday
[08:27] <hyphenated> glick: no loss giving it a go then :-)
[08:27] <jasoncohen> robotgeek, but comparitively few people build their own computers or buy bare PCs
[08:28] <jasoncohen> i would bet less than 5%
[08:28] <robotgeek> eyequeue: :)
[08:28] <Nsaneice> I don't know what it is USD something like 135?
[08:28] <ugo> unfort i dont have the startup scripts
[08:28] <hondje> I bet it's less than %5
[08:28] <robotgeek> jasoncohen: nah...there are guys who build it for you, say ur local geek
[08:28] <ugo> can anyone give me a pointer how to extract them from an official ubuntu package?
[08:28] <hondje> there's a reason dell is obscenely rich
[08:28] <hyphenated> xe.com/ucc says it's 327 USD
[08:28] <jasoncohen> robotgeek, and how many people do you think do that?
[08:28] <Orborde> Where does Ubuntu store its default interface info for eth0? I can't make eth0 remember the static IP address I assigned it past a reboot. Help, please?
[08:29] <Madpilot> 400 Cdn = ~ 325 US, Nsaneice
[08:29] <jasoncohen> those people aren't cutting into MS's market share of legal windows copies
[08:29] <Nsaneice> For the Home?
[08:29] <Orborde> Where does Ubuntu store its default interface info for eth0? I can't make eth0 remember the static IP address I assigned it past a reboot. Help, please?
[08:29] <eyequeue> ugo:  a .deb is an "ar" archive which then contains tarballs
[08:29] <jasoncohen> Orborde, /etc/network/interfaces
[08:29] <Orborde> Sorry, double-posted that.
[08:29] <robotgeek> jasoncohen: local geeks have stores, and they have friends
[08:29] <hyphenated> Orborde: how are you configuring it? I use 'network-admin'
[08:29] <Gatton> curse you smeg
[08:29] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: no, that's XP Pro, full retail not OEM
[08:29] <Nsaneice> IC
[08:29] <Amaranth> Gatton: What did smeg do?
[08:30] <eyequeue> ugo:  if you don't want to get low-level with it, you can just tap enter on the deb using "mc"
[08:30] <Orborde> jasoncohen: Um...I don't really know. I've been trying to use ifconfig under the admin username from a root terminal
[08:30] <Coag> hello everyone :)
[08:30] <Nsaneice> I think my father bought a XP Pro OEM for 89
[08:30] <robotgeek> Amaranth: :)
[08:30] <Gatton> Amaranth, it doesn't want to allow me to put the new entry under the menu I want. Always puts it under System Tools
[08:30] <Gatton> doesn't seem to allow me to drag it either
[08:30] <Amaranth> Gatton: Do you have the system tools menu selected when you click on New Entry?
[08:30] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: yah, OEM can be very cheap - relatively - but retail is crazy...
[08:30] <hondje> Not to be offensive, but most people that think pirated copies of windows are the majority don't have much work experience
[08:30] <robotgeek> atleast out here, XP is like 21$...some upgrade version.
[08:30] <Nsaneice> There is OEM, Retail, and Winbeta
[08:30] <Nsaneice> :)
[08:31] <Gatton> Amaranth, No I have Office selected. But doesn't seem to make a difference.
[08:31] <Amaranth> Gatton: hrm
[08:31] <robotgeek> i used to use OS X, but i din't like it!
[08:31] <jasoncohen> Orborde, set your static IP in network-admin
[08:31] <glick> damn the version that comes with ubuntu is old as shit
[08:31] <Madpilot> hondje: you mean corporate copies? sure, those're all legit @ work. I'm talking private PCs
[08:31] <jasoncohen> Orborde, System > Administration > Networking
[08:31] <Gatton> Of course I'm using 0.5. Not sure if there's a newer version
[08:31] <robotgeek> the Fink Download and build thing did not work for me!
[08:31] <Amaranth> Gatton: Can you email the /home/<username>/.config/menus/applications.menu file to alleykat@gmail.com ?
[08:31] <hondje> most private pcs aren't pirated either
[08:31] <ugo> right...thanks
[08:31] <hyphenated> Nsaneice: I should check how much it costs across the road. probably about 1USD :-) (I'm in indonesia right now)
[08:31] <Orborde> jasoncohen: Oh. I thought it needed to be DHCP.
[08:31] <Nsaneice> IC
[08:32] <robotgeek> the private PC's are mostly pirated. I dunno abt the work PC's. I guess they must be legal
[08:32] <Gatton> Amaranth, Sure thing
[08:32] <Orborde> jasoncohen: Subnet mask/gateway address should be what?
[08:32] <bojangles> now it appears MS has a bargain basement price for the stripped down standard version instead of the enterprise version which has cut all the valuable features....so you can get it at the bargain prices legally
[08:32] <_4strO> yop yop
[08:32] <bojangles> http://www.microsoft.com/products/info/product.aspx?view=22&pcid=4271ea85-f9e5-4986-80ec-5f53ade3740d&type=ovr
[08:32] <robotgeek> abt 2 years ago, it was q$
[08:32] <Madpilot> hondje: I don't know all that many ppl who buy Dell, I guess
[08:32] <robotgeek> q$
[08:32] <Amaranth> Gatton: I probably won't be able to get to it right away though.
[08:32] <hondje> Madpilot: then you don't know many people :p
[08:32] <bojangles> is anyone interested in paying MS a fortune....just to get started....at least they will be honest
[08:32] <eyequeue> Orborde:  man 5 interfaces, iirc, gives you an example of manual (static) configuration (it's not terribly hard really)
[08:32] <Nsaneice> I am on a Dell lappy right now..
[08:33] <hondje> there's a really good reason Dell and Microsoft are rolling in the money
[08:33] <hyphenated> Nsaneice: did you get suspend to work, out of curiousity?
[08:33] <Madpilot> hondje: most of the computer users I know are on pirate copies on built-by-a-friend systems...
[08:33] <Gatton> Amaranth, No biggie. Anything you can suggest I look for in the meantime? Or is it a programming thing? :)
[08:33] <Nsaneice> I bought it from a rich guy, who got it as a gift from work, so he gave it to me to stop from paying taxes
[08:33] <bojangles> ugo, so you see i am not fixing the prices...those are MS prices at microsoft.com
[08:33] <jasoncohen> Orborde, gateway is the IP of your router and subnet is 255.255.255.0 usually\
[08:33] <Nsaneice> Suspend?
[08:34] <robotgeek> hey...my sleep works mostly, but sometimes...it just crashes on 'unsleep'
[08:34] <Nsaneice> Like Hibernate?
[08:34] <lcore_> Firewall questions: I've noticed NEW connection outgoing from my tcp80 port to my ISP network addresses ports 4328 and 4802. What could tickle this (apache2 listening on port 80?). Can this be a sign of intrusion?
[08:34] <Amaranth> Gatton: After you've sent that file try running 'rm -rf ~/.config/menus ~/.local/share/desktop-directories ~/.local/share/applications'
[08:34] <robotgeek> and the dmesg output doesn't say anything!
[08:34] <hyphenated> a working suspend or hibernate would make me happy
[08:34] <Amaranth> Gatton: That'll clear out all the changes you've made and start you fresh.
[08:35] <Nsaneice> it doesn't work for me, and I don't know much Linux..
[08:35] <eyequeue> lol, unsleep: nothing appropriate.
[08:35] <eyequeue> sleep (1)            - delay for a specified amount of time
[08:35] <Gatton> Amaranth, good advice. Let me give it a shot
[08:35] <hyphenated> eyequeue: they're descriptions of the actions that occur, not literal commands :-)
[08:35] <Amaranth> Gatton: *cough* send the file first :)
[08:35] <Nsaneice> But, I did enjoy building Ubuntu from server
[08:35] <eyequeue> hyphenated:  i knew :)
[08:35] <Gatton> Amaranth, don't worry I backed it up ;)
[08:35] <robotgeek> eyequeue: or whatever u call suspend!
[08:35] <bojangles> hah...this dude said no wonder MS and Dell are making a fortune.
[08:36] <bojangles> hah...they don't make peanuts...IBM made over $14billion dollars in just one year last year
[08:36] <Nsaneice> IBM go down the hole, no more PPC chips..
[08:36] <crow> anyone else having problems with pastebin?
[08:36] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  i think there's two names for each, one being a to-disk and one being a to-ram, and each having two differing names in differing docs :/
[08:36] <Rattboi> Nsaneice: I think Xbox's sell better than Apple's do
[08:37] <Madpilot> yeah, seems there's big companies - MS & Dell - and then there's IBM, still the super-heavyweight...
[08:37] <robotgeek> eyequeue: so what do u call, what it does when you shut the lid
[08:37] <Rattboi> same with PS3
[08:37] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: i read that most of the new gaming consoles will have PPC chips inthem...
[08:37] <Rattboi> and Revolution
[08:37] <Gatton> Amaranth, do you want the file attached or just the listing? There isn't very much in the file. Only a few lines
[08:37] <Nsaneice> Madpilot: Just saying that Apple is looking to Intel chips
[08:37] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  i think that was (beleive it or not) "lid.sh"
[08:38] <Amaranth> Gatton: whichever works
[08:38] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: not looking, but going, I thought?
[08:38] <Rattboi> Nsaneice: yeah, but I don't think that has much to do with their profit margins
[08:38] <GhostFreeman> can someone please tell me if PPC is superior than x86
[08:38] <Amaranth> Gatton: doesn't make a difference, i just need to read it
[08:38] <robotgeek> IBM got a real sweet deal, with everyone buying chips from them.
[08:38] <GhostFreeman> I want to end this argument with a friend i've been having
[08:38] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  i started by looking in /etc/default/acpi-support
[08:38] <Rattboi> especially since like Freescale was making a lot of PPC for Apple anyways
[08:38] <Nsaneice> Madpilot: No clue..
[08:39] <bojangles> robotgeek, it is not just selling all the chips now...but they will lock in future sales because the chip buyers will want to maintain backward compatibility
[08:39] <Rattboi> GhostFreeman: superior how?
[08:39] <Rattboi> each will have it's advantages
[08:39] <Amaranth> GhostFreeman: PPC is superior on paper
[08:39] <hyphenated> GhostFreeman: they're not comparable like that. is white bread better than brown bread?
[08:39] <robotgeek> eyequeue: i don't have a acpi-support directory
[08:39] <NewUbuntuUser> this is a quick question that probably has a long answer... but in a nutshell... is it easy or at least POSSIBLE to play Battlefield 2 or World of Warcraft on Ubuntu?
[08:39] <Rattboi> hyphenated: exactly
[08:39] <shawarma> Hi! There's some sort of problem with liba52 and mplayer... Does anyone know what causes this? (To reproduce: try playing almost any DVD with the mplayer from multiverse)
[08:39] <bojangles> GhostFreeman, PPC is shit...but the cell processor is quite impressive
[08:39] <GhostFreeman> I think i understand
[08:39] <linukso> GhostFreeman: PowerPc is a much cooler name then x68 => superior!
[08:39] <Rattboi> ask PPC_Guy
[08:39] <Rattboi> :)
[08:39] <hyphenated> heh
[08:39] <Rattboi> I wonder what he'll say
[08:39] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  acpi-support: /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[08:40] <bojangles> linukso, that is a lie...PPC is shit...the research went into the cell processor
[08:40] <Amaranth> GhostFreeman: And for floating point operations it's better than x86, but in reality the x86 generally blows the PPC away.
[08:40] <PPC_Guy> hey all. Question. Just added a second hd to my ubuntu box but can't see the flippin thing
[08:40] <GhostFreeman> hmm
[08:40] <Gatton> Amaranth, I sent it thanks
[08:40] <GhostFreeman> I was told x86 was inferior to PPC but then again he was a mac geek
[08:40] <Nsaneice> I think x86 uses less power and has less heat
[08:40] <Coag> didya format it PPC_Guy
[08:40] <Rattboi> yeah, mac guys will say that
[08:40] <Rattboi> most
[08:40] <eyequeue> robotgeek: see if sudo apt-get install acpi-support seems like it wants to be reasonable on your box (not removing anything important for example)
[08:40] <PPC_Guy> yup
[08:40] <Amaranth> GhostFreeman: Everytime a new PPC comes out (G3, G4, G5) it is temporarily the fastest desktop CPU available but the x86 folks regain the crown quickly and the PPC just keeps falling behind until a new major version.
[08:41] <robotgeek> eyequeue: one sec
[08:41] <Coag> PPC didya mont t?
[08:41] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  i'm on a breezy laptop, so things may differ a bit here
[08:41] <Rattboi> I can't believe that it's less heat
[08:41] <Nsaneice> PPC_Guy: add it to fstab
[08:41] <Coag> mount it*
[08:41] <linukso> bojangles: I didn't comment on the facts, just the name :)
[08:41] <robotgeek> eyequeue: cool, PPC?
[08:41] <Nsaneice> PPC_Guy: then a good old " sudo mount -a "
[08:41] <Coag> mount -t fs /dev/hd# /home/persona
[08:41] <PaxAnima> is it possible to perform a netinstall of ubuntu using floppy?
[08:41] <GhostFreeman> so why the hell are the new consoles using PPC when x86, on paper, kicks its ass
[08:42] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  nah, centrino here
[08:42] <nagual> when grub first installed itself during install it did some stuff 'automatically' question is, can i get back to that?
[08:42] <GhostFreeman> That's what I don't get. Seems like they're downgrading based on what you guys say
[08:42] <Amaranth> GhostFreeman: Because the PPC in the consoles is nothing like the one in desktop.s
[08:42] <GhostFreeman> true
[08:42] <robotgeek> eyequeue: apt-cache doesn't show acpi-support, or anything similiar
[08:42] <Amaranth> GhostFreeman: The console versions don't do out of order execution or any of the stuff a desktop machine needs.
[08:42] <Gatton> Amaranth, Nevermind. I'm a moron. I was leaving the Category picker blank when creating the new entry
[08:42] <Amaranth> GhostFreeman: They are tuned specifically to running games.
[08:43] <GhostFreeman> ok
[08:43] <eyequeue> the other thing to keep in mind is that clock speeds on one archetecture don't map well to clock speeds on another archetecture
[08:43] <Amaranth> Gatton: Category picker?
[08:43] <Amaranth> Gatton: What version are you using?
[08:43] <NewUbuntuUser> this is a quick question that probably has a long answer... but in a nutshell... is it easy or at least POSSIBLE to play Battlefield 2 or World of Warcraft on Ubuntu?
[08:43] <hondje> yes, if you pay money
[08:43] <GhostFreeman> yes
[08:43] <GhostFreeman> dual boot
[08:43] <GhostFreeman> :)
[08:43] <Razor-X> fever sucks ;)
[08:43] <Amaranth> doesn't bf2 have a native version?
[08:43] <robotgeek> eyequeue: eyequeue, i belive that this machine runs apm
[08:43] <Nsaneice> NewUbuntuUser: Yes if you pay for software
[08:43] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  drat, could be a breezy thing :(  you've got all the various repositories added i gather?
[08:43] <NewUbuntuUser> =P darn
[08:43] <robotgeek> eyequeue: pretty much
[08:43] <Gatton> Amaranth, 0.5. When creating the new entry under icon there is an option for Category which has all of your menu headings listed. I was forgetting to choose Office thinking that it would automatically place it in the highlighted category
[08:43] <Amaranth> Gatton: It sounds like you're using 0.5, the latest version is 0.7.5. :)
[08:44] <NewUbuntuUser> i wanted to give Mr. Gates the boot =P
[08:44] <Razor-X> NewUbuntuUser: i'm stuck on a Windows box
[08:44] <glick> excuse me what package is esddsp in?
[08:44] <glick> esound wrapper?
[08:44] <Gatton> Amaranth, oops. I assumed Synaptic would pick up on that but told me I had the latest version. Off to upgrade :)
[08:44] <robotgeek> eyequeue: no problem, just wanted my linux laptop to be close to/better than OS X
[08:44] <NewUbuntuUser> stuck is a good way to put it
[08:44] <Amaranth> Gatton: wait
[08:44] <GhostFreeman> I use Windows but MS dosen't get my money
[08:44] <Razor-X> the only way i'm making do is an SSH shell connected to an emacs session, and XEmacs-native with Eshell
[08:44] <orangerange> can anyone please help me work with openoffice writer?
[08:44] <Gatton> ok
[08:44] <Razor-X> DOS is just too horrendous.....
[08:44] <barlas> orangerange, what do you want help with?
[08:44] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  i also found it works best on this particular box with 2.6.12, which isn't recommended with hoary :/  i think the best advice i could give may be to wait a few months? :(
[08:45] <Amaranth> Gatton: If you're an x86 user, please run http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/installsmeg to install the latest version.
[08:45] <NewUbuntuUser> well thanks for the info XD!
[08:45] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  or of course, find that your box works with apm unlike mine, heh
[08:45] <Gatton> Amaranth, gonna do that right now thanks
[08:45] <Razor-X> especially the WinXP emulation of DOS
[08:46] <orangerange> barlas, thank you so much for your help. My document is at http://koyuri.tripod.com/Original_Useful_Phrases.sxw . I want to: 1) keep everything on one page by having the remainder of the table wrap to the right side of page 1.   2) I want to be able to enter text inside the table  while keeping the scheme of alternating white and grey rows
[08:46] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  btw, sometimes i find it doesn't like to bring wlan back up, and other times, it seems to hate sound ... this is with suspend-to-disk, the -to-ram option has never behaved here with this hardware
[08:47] <robotgeek> eyequeue: i don't mind, actually. I don't really want to mess around with the configuration right now. it's a bad time. and i need to get work done :)
[08:47] <orangerange> barlas, in regards to point 1, i want it to look something like http://linux.ee/~vagula/ooshots/dictionary.png
[08:47] <Gatton> Amaranth, niiice. This is much nicer
[08:48] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  that's usually when i break systems myself, heheh
[08:48] <robotgeek> eyequeue: my wireless kind of sucks. I have a script which i run to bring it back again.
[08:48] <Amaranth> Gatton: :D
[08:48] <Razor-X> so.... to help out an ailing Ubuntu user... can anyone suggest a nice DOS emulator that does all of DOS well? (not just games)
[08:49] <Coag> ubuntu doesnt support my wireless no matter what it seems
[08:49] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  mine seems to be a firmware problem, it's still under development (and needs 2.6.12 to work with suspend at all)
[08:49] <robotgeek> Coag: what seems to be the problem?
[08:49] <Coag> well i was in here yesterday
[08:49] <robotgeek> eyequeue: well, the pros of having a old machine!
[08:49] <Coag> i had my WMP54G setup with ndiswrapper and recoginized
[08:49] <Gatton> Amaranth, thanks for your help. And please disregard the email. I appreciate it
[08:49] <Coag> but no matter what i did i could get it to see an AP
[08:50] <eyequeue> Coag:  i don't know the exact url, but there was a page on the wiki that talked of wireless chipset support, maybe that could help
[08:50] <Razor-X> i've been noticing that, nowadays, preference has been much more on wireless internet, very very whacky wireless networks
[08:50] <Amaranth> Gatton: No problem. Always happy to help one of my users. :)
[08:50] <orangerange> Hello all. I want to: 1) keep everything on one page by having the remainder of the table wrap to the right side of page 1.   2) I want to be able to enter text inside the table  while keeping the scheme of alternating white and grey rows. . My document is at http://koyuri.tripod.com/Original_Useful_Phrases.sxw .
[08:50] <orangerange> How do i do so?
[08:51] <ugo> hey....aptitude keeps trying to remove openoffice automatically
[08:51] <Amaranth> ugo: aptitude is stupid like that ;)
[08:51] <eyequeue> ugo:  does it say why?
[08:51] <Coag> well, eyequeue and robotgeek i ended up gettign rid of ubuntu :9 which i didnt want to but not seeing an AP was not ok so im STUCK on Fedora Core 3 and the nasty YUM system
[08:51] <ugo> i tinkered with my box the wrongway majorly yesterday
[08:51] <Razor-X> is sxw the Oo format, thingy?
[08:51] <ugo> so i know im at fault...
[08:51] <robotgeek> Coag: can you turn off the ip masking if you have it enabled.
[08:51] <Madpilot> Razor-X: yes.
[08:51] <ugo> The following packages will be automatically REMOVED:
[08:51] <Razor-X> ugo: you can probably change that in aptitude's settings
[08:52] <robotgeek> Coag: ubuntu had it turned on by default on mine, and i had the same problem
[08:52] <orangerange> barlas, ?
[08:52] <Coag> are you serious?
[08:52] <robotgeek> Coag: /etc/init.d/ipmasq stop
[08:52] <Coag> i coulda fixed it?
[08:52] <Coag> *sigh*
[08:52] <Razor-X> if I had a physical copy in front of me (like I use normally) then I could hel pmore interactively
[08:52] <EGCdgital> Hi everyone
[08:52] <Coag> too bad youw erent here yesterday
[08:52] <EGCdgital> I need some help
[08:52] <barlas> orangerange, hmm... wait a second
[08:52] <Coag> youw erent
[08:52] <eyequeue> Coag:  i hear you, but you do need to have something that works with the peculiarities of your own hardware.  do give it another try when breezy releases
[08:52] <barlas> let me see
[08:52] <orangerange> barlas, thank you.
[08:52] <robotgeek> Coag: if it was enabled, that might have done the trick!
[08:53] <Coag> yeah
[08:53] <Coag> thanks alot
[08:53] <Razor-X> I stay away from WYSIWYG now.....
[08:53] <EGCdgital> my video card dont works 100%  I cant change my resolution =( I dont have audio too
[08:53] <Coag> alot of people tried to help me
[08:53] <Coag> but none had been in the situation before
[08:53] <Coag> so they were guessing
[08:53] <EGCdgital> somebodt help me please
[08:53] <Razor-X> EGCdgital: what happened?
[08:53] <EGCdgital> dont works ok my video card
[08:53] <EGCdgital> I've ati radeon 9200
[08:53] <Razor-X> !resolution
[08:54] <ubotu> from memory, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:54] <Coag> linux + ait = not good
[08:54] <EGCdgital> is my first time with linux
[08:54] <EGCdgital> Im virgen
[08:54] <eyequeue> Coag:  are you dual booting there?
[08:54] <Razor-X> I misread, and thought that you did something to break the video-card support
[08:54] <Coag> eyequeue, i tried
[08:54] <robotgeek> Coag: i found out only by looking at the kernel logs :(
[08:54] <Razor-X> there you are, a generic, bot-ified response to a commonly bleated question ;)
[08:54] <Coag> can i pm you with my dual boot situation eyequeue
[08:54] <Razor-X> Coag: I can help with double-booting as well
[08:55] <Coag> ill jsut say it in here
[08:55] <Coag> might take a while
[08:55] <Coag> here goes
[08:55] <EGCdgital> I cant change my resolution
[08:55] <EGCdgital> of my desktop
[08:55] <EGCdgital> =/
[08:55] <Razor-X> !resolution
[08:55] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:55] <eyequeue> Coag:  a trick i've heard with some chipsets/firmware:  if the linux driver is misbehaving due to misconfiguration, sometimes you have to boot to another OS to get it sort of "reset" to a working config, then go back to linux with the correct (attempted-correct?) configuration
[08:55] <Razor-X> read everything that people say
[08:55] <Coag> I installed XP with two partitions, the first partition on the disk i made FAT and 500 megs the second one i made the windows drive
[08:56] <Coag> when i installed ubuntu i formatting that fat drive and made it boot
[08:56] <robotgeek> eyequeue: what??
[08:56] <Coag> so now i cant boot back into windows
[08:56] <Razor-X> Coag: you installed Ubuntu on 500 mb?
[08:56] <Coag> no
[08:56] <Coag> i used the 500 mb as boot
[08:56] <Razor-X> ..........
[08:56] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  weird, but when the linux driver is still somewhat unfinished, the other OS driver apparently can force a more-complete reset or something
[08:56] <Coag> which had XP boot files im assuming, and i formatted it
[08:57] <Razor-X> why in the world would you boot a 500 MB FAT partition with nothing bootable on it?
[08:57] <Razor-X> XP Boot files are all located in the same partition
[08:57] <robotgeek> eyequeue: weird!
[08:57] <vinux> hey guys what's that website with alot of ubuntu themes?
[08:57] <Madpilot> vinux: gnome-look.org?
[08:58] <ugo> done...
[08:58] <vinux> Madpilot, I think that's it
[08:58] <firestorm> Hi all. When installing transcode I get: transcode: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-7) but 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 is to be installed   ... any hints?
[08:58] <eyequeue> Coag:  okay, IF you can get into ubuntu, such as from a livecd, try running "sudo grub-install" to get a boot sector back
[08:58] <Coag> when i installed ubuntu i formatted that partition with the ext2 and put the bootloader on it and pointed towards an ext3 partition for ubuntu which worked fine, and my windows XP partition where it could boot
[08:58] <robotgeek> alrite ppl, off to bed!
[08:58] <barlas> orangerange, can't find anything like that :-/
[08:58] <Seveas> firestorm, if you use transcode from hoary-extras, you need libgcc1 from hoary-backports
[08:58] <Coag> i already install over ubuntu because being without internet was not ok
[08:58] <orangerange> barlas, what can't you find?
[08:58] <Coag> i can boot to linux, but i cant boot to windows
[08:59] <Coag> and i do have grub pointed at the right parition
[08:59] <SysFail> and the problem is?
[08:59] <Razor-X> Coag: so, for clarity purposes, can you get me a partition table of your drive(s)?
[08:59] <SysFail> heh
[08:59] <barlas> orangerange, unfortunately, my OOo  is not working atm here :-/ can't find on net
[08:59] <Coag> hd (0,4)
[08:59] <Coag> Razor-X, sure how?
[08:59] <ugo> hey is there a guide of some sorts on how to maintain two gcc versions on one box
[08:59] <Coag> wait
[08:59] <Coag> nevermind
[08:59] <eyequeue> Coag:  i've seen ppl in here mention an ms command something with -mbr or something, but i don't know that one myslef (that would give you back windows, i think)
[08:59] <Razor-X> hah, ok
[08:59] <orangerange> barlas, okay. thank you 8-)
[08:59] <firestorm> Seveas: yikes, how do I get libgcc1 from hoary-backports?
[08:59] <Razor-X> eyequeue: I know the command, but it may do more harm than good
[08:59] <Seveas> firestorm: To find out the location of backports, go to backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[08:59] <Coag> O.o
[08:59] <Coag> fdisk couldnt be found
[09:00] <abhayks> Seveas: or better upgrade to breezy
[09:00] <Coag> ok so how to get that partition table
[09:00] <Razor-X> Coag: what about cfdisk, parted, gparted, or qtparted?
[09:00] <eyequeue> Coag:  try cfdisk
[09:00] <Seveas> abhayks, NO
[09:00] <Razor-X> :D
[09:00] <Razor-X> abhayks: Breezy is HIGHLY deprecated
[09:00] <Seveas> upgrading to breezy is risky and not to be done ....
[09:00] <Seveas> Razor-X, ehm...
[09:00] <Seveas> get a dictionary
[09:00] <Seveas> deprecated means outdated...
[09:00] <Coag> none of the commands work
[09:00] <eyequeue> Coag:  actually, listen to Razor-X, he probably doesn't have the headache that i do now, heh
[09:00] <Seveas> breezy is bleeding edge :)
[09:00] <Coag> damn fedora core 3
[09:01] <Seveas> Coag, this is #ubuntu, not #fedora :)
[09:01] <Coag> i know
[09:01] <abhayks> breezy is NOT risky
[09:01] <Coag> but this is a problem that started in ubuntu
[09:01] <Seveas> abhayks, it is
[09:01] <Coag> that i carried on to fedora
[09:01] <linukso> Why why why! Gnome-volume-manager is very nice, but when two users are logged in at the same time, why can't only the "active" session mount external medias and cd/dvd's?
[09:01] <abhayks> I am running it very successfully on my thinkpad
[09:01] <crow> how do you compile a program with options when you get it off of apt-get?
[09:01] <Seveas> abhayks, that does not mean it isn't risky...
[09:01] <Razor-X> deprecated: To express disapproval of
[09:01] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:01] <eyequeue> abhayks:  it is (i'm on it) ... see /topic for one example
[09:02] <firestorm> Seveas: and what should the options in /etc/apt/sources.list be for the backports?
[09:02] <Razor-X> deprecated is just to steer people away from softwary that shouldn't be used
[09:02] <Seveas> crow, apt-get source $programname, edit debian/rules and run dpkg-buildpackage
[09:02] <crow> say i want to make aterm --enable-transparency
[09:02] <Seveas> firestorm: To find out the location of backports, go to backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[09:02] <Seveas> look there :)
[09:02] <Razor-X> crow: ./configure --help
[09:02] <firestorm> Seveas: I already have an entry that looks like: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[09:02] <Razor-X> in the source directory of aterm
[09:03] <eyequeue> firestorm:  -extras and -backports are different.  clone the line with the other suffix :)
[09:03] <Seveas> firestorm, add another with hoary-backports instead of hoary-extras
[09:04] <firestorm> Seveas: thanks...now I need to dl 45MB for apt-get upgrade...will see how apt-get install transcode looks then....thanks for your help :)
[09:05] <Razor-X> firestorm: be careful with backports
[09:05] <abhayks> For Laptops, breezy is real bliss. Yes I do except that I don't upgrade Xorg very often.
[09:05] <Razor-X> if you replace too much of your system with backported stuff, things can break
[09:05] <Razor-X> regardless... i'm off
[09:05] <Razor-X> I may not have a headache, but i'm fighting fever
[09:05] <Razor-X> so... night everyone
[09:06] <crow> does ubuntu not use gcc or cc?
[09:06] <DukGalNamu> hey, anyone hear use btdownloadheadless?
[09:06] <Razor-X> crow: sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[09:06] <abhayks> crow: it does
[09:06] <Razor-X> and with that, i'm off
[09:06] <crow> ok, thanks
[09:06] <Coag> <3 apt-get
[09:06] <Coag> using it on fedora :)
[09:06] <DukGalNamu> ...
[09:07] <crow> says there isnt a package called build-essential
[09:07] <crow> argh
[09:07] <DukGalNamu> crow: try just apt-get build-essentials
[09:07] <crow> !info build-essentials
[09:07] <DukGalNamu> without the install
[09:08] <crow> thats an invalid operation
[09:08] <DukGalNamu> !dance
[09:08] <ubotu> DukGalNamu: I haven't a clue
[09:08] <firestorm> Seveas: with razor-x's comment, should I enable backports *only* for transcode then comment it out again in sources.list once installed?
[09:08] <vinux> abhayks, so breezy is working pretty good?
[09:08] <Burgundavia> vinux, sort of
[09:08] <abhayks> vinux: OH its perfect --
[09:08] <vinux> Burgundavia, what do you mean sort of?
[09:09] <abhayks> just ensure that you do not upgrade Xorg very often
[09:09] <Burgundavia> vinux, might not work for you
[09:09] <benplaut> try the live CD
[09:09] <abhayks> I have gnome configured, with no pannel and using adesklets instead. It is just too good an eye-candy
[09:09] <benplaut> if that works, than a clean install is likely to work
[09:09] <SysFail> breezy has a live-cd?
[09:10] <benplaut> yeah
[09:10] <abhayks> all the applications are bleeding-edge.
[09:10] <SysFail> I musta missed that
[09:10] <vinux> hehe
[09:10] <Coag> abhayks,
[09:10] <Coag> wanna post a screenie?
[09:10] <abhayks> and this is my way of giving back my testing results to my fav distro- Ubuntu
[09:10] <benplaut> abhayks: if you don't have gnome-panel, then go ahead and use flux or blackbox... you will hardly notice a difference, and it will be alot faster
[09:11] <SysFail> or WM
[09:11] <abhayks> can I post in IRC ?
[09:11] <Coag> umm... flux is a huge difference
[09:11] <benplaut> those _are_ WMs...
[09:11] <SysFail> WM= window maker
[09:11] <benplaut> ooohhh
[09:11] <Coag> abhayks, upload the picture somewhere and post the link
[09:11] <benplaut> _that_ WM :)
[09:11] <SysFail> yeah :)
[09:11] <abhayks> benplaut: Thanks for the advice, I'll definately try fluxbox. Was thinking of XFCE4 also
[09:12] <SysFail> I love WM
[09:12] <linukso> metacity is a fast windowmanager, I dont understand what you are complaining about...
[09:12] <vinux> xfce4 is awsome
[09:12] <benplaut> XFCE, IMHO, is awesome
[09:12] <benplaut> woops
[09:12] <Coag> i love xfce
[09:12] <benplaut> well, common opinion :)
[09:12] <abhayks> coag: I'll try to post in ubuntuforums.
[09:12] <vinux> hehe
[09:12] <Coag> you could jsut imageshack.us
[09:12] <benplaut> i do too, but i don't use it for the simple reason that the "start" button cant's go all the way to the bottom pixel of the screen
[09:12] <benplaut> very annoying
[09:13] <abhayks> what is imageshak.us ?
[09:13] <benplaut> my system is powerful enough that i can still use Gnome, with noth that much speed decrease
[09:13] <benplaut> it's an image host site
[09:13] <benplaut> it's good- use it
[09:13] <abhayks> thanks
[09:13] <benplaut> wait
[09:13] <benplaut> no
[09:13] <benplaut> it's www.imageshack.us
[09:14] <Coag> same difference
[09:14] <Coag> oih
[09:14] <abhayks> OK
[09:14] <Coag> i left out a c
[09:14] <Coag> haha
[09:14] <Coag> no he did
[09:16] <z[bandito> hi
[09:17] <z[bandito> how can you disable certain keys on the keyboard?  i have a system with a japanese keyboard, but the software is configured for US english.  it works ok, but the spacing on some keys is too close .. like print screen is very close to backspace and easy to hit on accident.  on a slow machine this can cause additional pain ;)
[09:17] <dices> hello everyone
[09:17] <z[bandito> hi
[09:18] <linukso> z[bandito: if its gnome, you can just change the gnome keyboard shortcuts to make printscreen do... Nothing
[09:18] <dices> Is it possible to select all wanted apps with apt-get and export of list of downloads ? so i can take it and download elsewhere ?
[09:19] <cafuego> dices: apt-zip and apt-move
[09:19] <dices> cafuego: thx lemme see
[09:19] <z[bandito> yes it is gnome.. is it in settings?  sorry I'm not on the system atm
[09:20] <z[bandito> wasn't sure if there was an easy to access setting from gnome or if i would need to launch a configuration from the shell, or edit a config, or what ;)
[09:20] <dices> cafuego: is that in the apt-get repositories ?
[09:20] <cafuego> dices: it ort to be, let me see.
[09:20] <cafuego> !info apt-zip
[09:20] <ubotu> apt-zip: (Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media), section universe/admin, is extra. Version: 0.13.2 (hoary), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 96 kB
[09:21] <cafuego> dices: universe
[09:21] <linukso> z[bandito: you can change keyboard shortcuts from the system -> preferences menu
[09:22] <mebaran151> what is the best cdripper
[09:22] <pax> k3b
[09:22] <pax> oops
[09:22] <z[bandito> thanks very much linukso :)
[09:24] <linukso> z[bandito: np
[09:24] <z[bandito> you wouldn't know how to disable a certain pointing device would you?  :)  i have an other machine, also older (i'm trying to set up some older machines as desktop linux boxen for some poor college student friends for homework using firefox, gedit, and o.office) which has a broken trackpoint eraser pointing device... it has a USB mouse but sometimes the trackpoint overrides the mouse and takes the pointer all over the screen ...
[09:24] <z[bandito> =\    :)
[09:25] <Atlas95> hello
[09:25] <gyaresu> mebaran151, goobox for ripping. and do it in 'flac' (free lossless audio codec)
[09:25] <linukso> mebaran151: sound-juicer works fine.
[09:25] <Atlas95> i have an 9600 pro and i want to buy a x800 because R300 chipset don't support 3d under linux
[09:26] <Atlas95> but i don't know if x800 is supported?
[09:26] <gyaresu> Atlas95, anything nvidia is fine.
[09:26] <Atlas95> someone can help me?
[09:26] <pax> apt-cache search cd ripper and try them all
[09:26] <mebaran151> goobox is the best
[09:26] <mebaran151> I would like to use ogg
[09:26] <mebaran151> I know FLAC is lossless
[09:26] <mebaran151> but I dont have that much space
[09:27] <z[bandito> gotta run
[09:27] <mebaran151> my MPEG 4 movie collection needs its room
[09:27] <pax> gimme
[09:27] <mebaran151> Atlas95, the newere it is, the less likely linux will natively accelerate it
[09:27] <mebaran151> pax?
[09:27] <z[bandito> thanks for the help bbl
[09:27] <mebaran151> try the fglrx driver
[09:27] <mebaran151> it is pretty recent
[09:28] <pax> mebaran151: kidding :)
[09:28] <mebaran151> oh
[09:28] <mebaran151> actually
[09:28] <mebaran151> I am writing a little ruby script
[09:28] <mebaran151> to grant access
[09:28] <mebaran151> to my little database over streaming ftp
[09:28] <erudeye> where i can find package for ubuntu
[09:28] <bojangles> ok here is the minimum $4000 for windows price at microsoft.com....i did not fix any prices these are quoted by MS as they consider how valuable they are.
[09:28] <gyaresu> !tell erudeye about sources
[09:28] <mebaran151> do you know if ssh opens files bsd style, as streams
[09:29] <bojangles> http://www.microsoft.com/products/info/product.aspx?view=22&pcid=5c9ab977-c900-4924-b156-2615fc883e5c&type=ovr
[09:29] <mebaran151> or if it requires the whole block to connect
[09:29] <bojangles> now notice that is only for 25 clients....the price escalates beyond calculation for additional features
[09:30] <cafuego> mebaran151: ssh user@remotehost "command to add user to db"
[09:30] <abhayks> Hi managed to host a snapshot on Imageshak
[09:30] <bojangles> i can't understand why India is pirating windows....instead of honestly paying the money asked per person and per processor
[09:30] <cafuego> bojangles: Because windows is shit and MS demanding money for it is a crime.
[09:31] <gyaresu> cafuego, said a potty word.
[09:31] <robotgeek> bojangles: for the n'th time. cause they can't afford it!
[09:31] <bojangles> cafuego, you mean you don't want to pay $4000 for a minimum os without SQL server even...just to get started
[09:31] <dices> hey i love windows, keeps work for me
[09:31] <dices> same person comming 3 times a month = $$$
[09:31] <Atlas95> what card graphik i can buy
[09:31] <Atlas95> ?
[09:31] <reka> sny ML/SML programmers?
[09:31] <reka> *any
[09:31] <gyaresu> Atlas95, anything nvidia.
[09:31] <cafuego> Atlas95: Depends on your budget and cpu.
[09:31] <Atlas95> what tyoe
[09:31] <firestorm> Hi. I cannot play DVDs but previously a package suggested i install 'libdvdcss'. When I try, I get: E: Package libdvdcss has no installation candidate
[09:31] <Atlas95> under 300
[09:31] <Atlas95> but recente
[09:31] <cafuego> 300 whatnow?
[09:32] <Atlas95> a good card
[09:32] <gyaresu> Atlas95, nvidia 6800gt
[09:32] <pax> 6800gt is ancient by now
[09:32] <reka> firestorm: it's in backports
[09:32] <gyaresu> Atlas95, ~$300AU will do the job
[09:32] <abhayks> Though I had to use gnome pannel to get access to snapshot application ( as yet not part of my adesklet pannel)
[09:32] <abhayks> here is the link to it
[09:32] <abhayks> http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot11dj.png
[09:32] <text_> how do i exit xwindows? when i press ctrl+alt+backspace it goes to back to the classic console but then starts x again instantly
[09:33] <pax> text kill gdm or stop it
[09:33] <cafuego> Atlas95: if you have a 32bit intel box and want to run games on Windows and other stuff on Linux, an ATI is going to be fastest. if you want decent 3D on windows AND Linux and/or have a 64bit Athlon, get nvidia.
[09:33] <reka> text_: iirc, sudo /etc/init.d stop
[09:33] <reka> text_: iirc, sudo /etc/init.d gdm stop
[09:33] <pax> text, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:33] <gyaresu> text_, for admin stuff?
[09:33] <text_> k
[09:33] <reka> hehe
[09:33] <mebaran151> how do I clear my CDDB database
[09:33] <abhayks> text_: set the system to init 3 mode
[09:33] <mebaran151> in goobox I accidently clicked the wrong album choice
[09:34] <text_> thanks alot guys
[09:34] <text_> appreciate the quick replies
[09:34] <pax> text anything to kill x, welcome
[09:34] <Atlas95> for the moment i have a barton 2800+ with 1go of pc3200 and sapphire 9600 pro
[09:34] <abhayks> benplaut: did u like the snapshot
[09:34] <bojangles> now you don't even want to ask about MS price of this one
[09:34] <bojangles> http://www.microsoft.com/products/info/product.aspx?view=22&pcid=e9548378-8d87-47bc-80f4-2b6f2ac3a444&type=ovr
[09:35] <bojangles> it supports up to 64 processors on your motherboard and an 8 node cluster for starters
[09:35] <cafuego> Atlas95: Then you need a faster CPU, not a faster gfx card.
[09:36] <bojangles> but you don't even want to ask how much money?
[09:36] <Madpilot> bojangles: has this become #microsoft-prices at some point? ;)
[09:36] <abhayks> comeon guys I took so much time just to upload one image -- please give your reviews
[09:36] <abhayks> http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot11dj.png
[09:36] <bojangles> Madpilot, no...we are just trying to understand why someone said India is pirating windows at 80%
[09:36] <Madpilot> abhayks: intersesting. what WM is that again?
[09:36] <cafuego> abhayks: bad green
[09:37] <abhayks> Its normal gnome
[09:37] <Madpilot> bojangles: um, because it's freakin' expensive & overpriced. next question?
[09:37] <gyaresu> abhayks, it's sexy.
[09:37] <abhayks> gyaresu: thanks
[09:37] <pax> what, republicans want to bomb India now?
[09:37] <robotgeek> abhayks: is that gdesklets?
[09:37] <Madpilot> abhayks: cool. what is the resources thign on the side?
[09:37] <robotgeek> abhayks: and what's the dock thing?
[09:38] <Madpilot> *thing
[09:38] <abhayks> cafuego: that is a fully transparent gnome-terminal running top. Yes green ids not looking good
[09:38] <benplaut> abhayks: that's really good looking!
[09:38] <benplaut> do you have anything for a taskbar, however?
[09:38] <gyaresu> abhayks, does that mean ALL your terminals look that way?
[09:38] <robotgeek> abhayks: try torsmo
[09:38] <Madpilot> go with dark blue or dark grey text. or just black...
[09:39] <benplaut> oh, and junk the Ubuntu Human icon theme ;)
[09:39] <abhayks> robotgeek: that is adesklets. The dock is modubar and That system REsources is System monitor
[09:39] <abhayks> They are all desklets of adesklets
[09:39] <Madpilot> cool stuff, abhayks. no multiple virtual desktops, though?
[09:40] <gyaresu> "adesklets" ?
[09:40] <Madpilot> ... i couldn't function anymore without all four desktops...
[09:40] <mebaran151> how do I enable mp3 recording in goobox
[09:40] <mebaran151> what pkg do I need
[09:40] <robotgeek> Madpilot: i even quit os x for it :)
[09:40] <gyaresu> !codecs
[09:40] <ubotu> somebody said codecs was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:40] <sss_lr> apt-cache search " mp3 recordin"
[09:41] <Madpilot> robotgeek: ? the virtual desktops convinced you to go w/ Ubuntu?
[09:41] <abhayks> Madpilot: no multiple desktops
[09:41] <robotgeek> i used to use debian before
[09:41] <abhayks> gyaresu: apt-get install adesklets
[09:41] <Madpilot> abhayks: too bad.
[09:41] <mebaran151> gyaresu, I dont think it was codecs
[09:41] <mebaran151> I can play mp3's just fine
[09:41] <robotgeek> then pathner came along, used it for quite a while, then dual booted, and now running only ubuntu
[09:41] <mebaran151> both in mplayer and in totem
[09:41] <gyaresu> mebaran151, ah. sorry.
[09:42] <robotgeek> Madpilot: got most of my issues sorted out
[09:42] <mebaran151> and I installed lame
[09:42] <abhayks> Madpilot: that will take too much resources
[09:42] <Jimmothy> what's the name of the ftp client with  ubuntu?
[09:42] <mebaran151> the only encoder of any note
[09:42] <mebaran151> gftp
[09:42] <Jimmothy> ta
[09:42] <gyaresu> mebaran151, what repository. i'm not getting it.
[09:42] <robotgeek> abhayks: adesklets doesn't show up?
[09:42] <Madpilot> abhayks: how resource-intense is gdesklets,then?
[09:42] <robotgeek> gftp
[09:43] <abhayks> Madpilot: gdesklets are very resorce hungry-- unlike adesklets
[09:43] <Madpilot> robotgeek: search Syn for "gdesklets", not a...
[09:43] <abhayks> u can see CPU load =5%
[09:43] <robotgeek> Madpilot: yeah, gdesklets shows up..what's adesklets?
[09:43] <abhayks> robotgeek: adesklets are displayed as SystemMonitor and the dock bar
[09:44] <gyaresu> abhayks, they're not listed though.
[09:44] <abhayks> apt-get install adesklets
[09:44] <gyaresu> abhayks, no.
[09:44] <mebaran151> gyaresu, universe
[09:44] <gyaresu> Madpilot, robotgeek can you guys seem them.
[09:44] <robotgeek> abhayks,Madpilot : i manage with torsmo, and no icons. thank u
[09:44] <mebaran151> goobox is not technically supported
[09:44] <robotgeek> gyaresu: nope
[09:44] <gyaresu> mebaran151, i got full sources.
[09:44] <mebaran151> hmm?
[09:45] <erirlar> how can i change the computer name? tryed changeing it in /etc/hosts but then i couldnt log inn to Gnome
[09:45] <mebaran151> what mp3 pkg's do you have
[09:45] <abhayks> abhayks@abhayks:~/Work/Themes/modubar-0.0.1$ apt-cache search adesklets
[09:45] <abhayks> adesklets - interactive Imlib2 console for the X Window System
[09:45] <gyaresu> mebaran151, I have uni and multi and backports...
[09:45] <mebaran151> it does ogg vbr which is all I reall need
[09:45] <mebaran151> backports
[09:45] <mebaran151> hmm, I am on AMD64
[09:45] <abhayks> set ur source.list
[09:45] <Madpilot> gyaresu: no adesklets I can find?
[09:45] <mebaran151> that might be it
[09:45] <mebaran151> what mp3 pkgs hav eyou installed
[09:45] <Madpilot> abhayks: which repos are you using? I thought I had all the standard U ones enabled...
[09:46] <bojangles> now intel is starting off with the dual core Itanium2 called Montecito to be released soon for SGI....then when they get to 64core...it will be ready for the MS windows i just posted
[09:46] <bojangles> then you can ask how much?
[09:46] <abhayks> Madpilot: I am using breezy ( main, universe and multiverse)
[09:46] <abhayks> this is why I say Breezy rocks
[09:47] <robotgeek> abhayks: no, i am not ready for breezy!
[09:47] <gyaresu> ah!
[09:47] <bojangles> and this dude said...no wonder MS and Dell make so much money
[09:47] <Madpilot> abhayks: that's the problem, I'm still on Hoary...
[09:48] <Madpilot> bojangles: please drop it? we know MS is evil, it doesn't need to be repeated endlessly...
[09:48] <gyaresu> Maddy, abhayks living on the edge.
[09:48] <abhayks> I had to use my mouse pointer to take the snapshot-- else if I place my mouse pointer on any icon  in the modubar-- they become enlarged and sort of pop up
[09:48] <robotgeek> my maverick days of living on the edge are over!
[09:49] <abhayks> Hey Breezy is not risky, not at all for our normal everyday work
[09:49] <Madpilot> robotgeek: yeah, no more Windows viruses for me, either... :)
[09:49] <Nermal> morning
[09:49] <robotgeek> Madpilot: :)
[09:49] <cafuego> abhayks: It sure is over here, though.
[09:49] <robotgeek> later folks...
[09:50] <abhayks> Actually I found Ubuntu to be the best for my thinkpad.
[09:50] <gyaresu> Nermal, You better behave.
[09:50] <Nermal> hmm ?
[09:50] <abhayks> and breezy is like a breeze of fresh air
[09:50] <Nermal> I had a lovely weekend, you ?
[09:50] <Nermal> abhayks when it works :)
[09:50] <mebaran151> abhayks, breezy aint working on AMD64
[09:50] <mebaran151> at all
[09:50] <mebaran151> the partition corrupts parititons
[09:50] <mebaran151> it wont even layout the lsb
[09:51] <Nermal> hmm... I need to install cyprus for bitchx :|
[09:51] <mebaran151> is grip any good for cd burning?
[09:51] <cafuego> mebaran151: it runs OK here, provided I update _very_ carefully.
[09:51] <mebaran151> it has lots of neato options
[09:52] <mebaran151> cafuego, the current arrays have a very borked installer
[09:52] <mebaran151> that complains the kernel doesnt know that paritions have been set or mounted
[09:52] <gyaresu> Anyone use an Optical-out on their sound card?
[09:52] <cafuego> mebaran151: This is a dist-upgraded Debian Sid ;-)
[09:52] <Nermal> mebaran151 grip is more for ripping audio off a cd to disk
[09:52] <cafuego> mebaran151: sid -> hoary -> breezy
[09:52] <Nermal> gnomebaker is quite nice for gnome cd burning
[09:52] <abhayks> Nermal: mebaran1: A couple of my friends had initial problems on AMD64 with breezy, but they are all happy now
[09:52] <mebaran151> Nermal, isnt that would goobox does too
[09:53] <mebaran151> abhayks, they need to fix the installer
[09:53] <mebaran151> it wont let me parition
[09:53] <abhayks> for CD/DVD burning, I trust only k3b
[09:53] <mebaran151> and my rig is pretty standard
[09:53] <Nermal> hmm
[09:53] <mebaran151> so what should I use, goobox or grip
[09:53] <Nermal> nautilus has worked fine for me, though it is rather basic :|
[09:53] <abhayks> mebaran151: you may try installing hoary and do a dist-upgrade to breezy
[09:53] <mebaran151> grip has more output functions
[09:54] <mebaran151> abhayks, I'm scared
[09:54] <mebaran151> I do my devel on this computer
[09:54] <mebaran151> I am willing to fix the occasional bug
[09:54] <mebaran151> which is why I like to run the devel copy
[09:54] <mebaran151> but I also need to work
[09:54] <mebaran151> and not having X can be a big deal
[09:54] <mebaran151> the biggest draw of breezy is its much imporved mono support
[09:54] <gyaresu> | X still broken in Breezy - DO NOT USE BREEZY YET |  - how bad could it be? :)
[09:54] <mebaran151> I would like to try it out
[09:54] <mebaran151> gyaresu, now we wonder why ...
[09:55] <Nermal> shit
[09:55] <abhayks> mebaran151: i understand ur concerns. Surely not having X would make life hell for me. Though I use this mostly for doing telnet to my server machines where I do the work.
[09:55] <Nermal> I've rested my hand in superglue :|
[09:55] <gyaresu> Nermal, DON'T EVEN START.
[09:56] <lok> then force a downgrade of xserver-xorg
[09:56] <Atlas95> how to manually install a gdm theme?
[09:57] <Atlas95> the install button don't work for me
[09:58] <Nermal> hurrah
[09:58] <Nermal> Atlas95 drag and drop
[09:58] <Nermal> ?
[09:58] <Burgundavia> Atlas95, drag the theme into the theme window
[09:58] <ecarroll> Alright here is a fun problem to chew on, I have recently installed kubuntu, on a machine in which only the /home was left from a previous installation, now my sound system is borked, in KDE control panel i can play the sound test but not the midi test, in addition XMMS sends to stderr that the sound device is busy and cannot be opened, it sends to a gui dialog a message telling me my sound card is misconfigured; now here is the real 
[09:59] <Nermal> ecarroll midi needs a sequencer device
[09:59] <Nermal> xmms is probably trying to use anying but arts
[09:59] <Nermal> so either install the xmms arts output plugin
[09:59] <Nermal> or turn arts off
[10:00] <ecarroll> I set xmms to use both artsd and alsa to no avail
[10:00] <bojangles> gyaresu, X is not broken in breezy...worked fine here...it just needs a couple of symlinks and don't use the latest kernel
[10:00] <Nermal> ecarroll output of lsof /dev/dsp ?
[10:00] <hussam> hey guys, anybody using the win32 codecs package? ( the one from mplayer )
[10:00] <ecarroll> Nermal: nothing
[10:00] <Nermal> humm
[10:00] <gyaresu> bojangles, really. should get an op to change the motd.
[10:01] <ecarroll> hussam: yes, get it from marillat mirror
[10:01] <bojangles> gyaresu, what is motd?
[10:01] <scaroo> bojangles, dont you have issues with xkb ?
[10:01] <scaroo> mine is totally broken, even with symlinks
[10:01] <gyaresu> bojangles, message of the day
[10:01] <bojangles> scaroo, no..it worked fine for me but it missed a couple of symlinks in /usr/bin/X11 or so
[10:01] <abhayks> scaroo: mine was broken too, but symlinks helped me
[10:02] <Nermal> bojangles motd = message of the day
[10:02] <bojangles> scaroo, you have to make sure the keyboard module is available and locatable
[10:02] <Nermal> displays a message to users when they log on
[10:02] <kjon> I updated my ubuntu with a debian repository and I get a 'broken pipe' error. How can I solve that?
[10:02] <scaroo> ok, could you please guys tell me wich symlinks i need
[10:02] <abhayks> /etc/motd
[10:02] <hussam> ecarroll: I already have it. but I was asking why there were no updates after the one released in 20050412?
[10:02] <Nermal> kjon erm.. by not using a debian repository ?
[10:02] <bojangles> scaroo, it is easy to trace....look for the broken symlinks and fix them
[10:02] <Nermal> scaroo you using breezy ?
[10:02] <scaroo> Nermal, yep
[10:02] <abhayks> kjon: If u want bleeding edge go for breezy, my advice dont use debian repo
[10:03] <bojangles> scaroo, you should find one called X in /etc/X11
[10:03] <Nermal> aye.. my xkb is screwed
[10:03] <Nermal> I guess you need to find the rules file and symlink it
[10:03] <kjon> Hell... something says me that I screwed it up.
[10:03] <scaroo> i symliked xkeysymb and /etc/x11/xkb
[10:03] <hussam> hussam: will mplayer ever update the packages?
[10:03] <bojangles> scaroo, don't change the symlink that is broken but instead make the right directories available
[10:03] <ecarroll> hussam: because the windows codecs haven't been updated
[10:03] <Nermal> scaroo iirc.. I removed a .rules file
[10:03] <the_walrus> has anyone here used Xen at all?
[10:03] <kjon> But, the update installed a lot of things; however, the only problem -at this stage- is with python2.3-gtk2
[10:04] <ecarroll> hussam: try vlc it doesn't use w32-codecs
[10:04] <hussam> ecarroll: but mplayer itself isn't being shutdown, is it?
[10:04] <bojangles> well anyway i have things to do.
[10:04] <reka> how do i report a package bug?
[10:05] <hussam> ecarroll: i use xineui
[10:05] <hussam> ecarroll: i heard mplayer were having problems over some patent issues
[10:05] <mouarffr> hi there, Is free.fr (french ISP) is a running mirror for Ubuntu ?
[10:05] <mouarffr> the official fr mirror is very very slow
[10:06] <scaroo> mouarf : ca tourne pas mal pour moi
[10:06] <ecarroll> hussam: non-vlc uses w32-codecs, vlc uses dvdbob code
[10:06] <hussam> ecarroll: ah, I see
[10:06] <ecarroll> Nermal: what is mcop when i run artsd It says it can't open some file with that name in /tmp
[10:07] <mouarffr> scaroo, can U please provide me your apt line config
[10:07] <mouarffr> scaroo, tks
[10:07] <julo> hi
[10:07] <julo> how can I know which package a file belongs to, using apt ?
[10:07] <mebaran151> how can I use mencoder to repair a broken avi index
[10:08] <ecarroll> apt-get install apt-file, apt-file search <name>
[10:08] <scaroo> mouarffr, deb http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[10:09] <mebaran151> anyone here know how?
[10:10] <kc122> hey, i have a question about installing ubuntu linux on my intel based desktop
[10:10] <zenrox> ask
[10:10] <julo> thanks ecarroll
[10:10] <kc122> i curently have windows installed on my computer
[10:11] <kc122> will the ubuntu instalation erase windows and all my current files?
[10:11] <zenrox> kc122,  thare is a nice howto on www.ubuntuforums.org
[10:11] <guillem> Hi. I'm playing around with my new  AMD64 ubuntu64 system... What do you guys do to run 32 apps? I've heard about chrooting... Do I install also ubuntu32 in another partition and chroot from 64 or something like that?
[10:11] <ecarroll> kc122: depends.
[10:12] <kc122> depends on what?
[10:12] <Nermal> whether you tell it to or not
[10:12] <ecarroll> kc122: depends, 100% on if you tell/allow ubuntu to reformat your windows partition
[10:12] <kc122> O.K. thanks
[10:12] <ecarroll> kc122: no prob =D
[10:12] <zenrox> like i said a nice howto
[10:12] <Nermal> guillem don't think so
[10:12] <Nermal> I think you have a seperate dir for 32bit libs :|
[10:12] <ecarroll> now why do you need a howto when you have us nice folks here
[10:12] <Nermal> or something
[10:12] <benplaut> g'night all
[10:13] <Nermal> ecarroll to save time / typing
[10:13] <zenrox> yep
[10:13] <Computer__Guru> anybody have a clue as to why there's no png2yuv available for ubuntu?
[10:13] <guillem> Nermal, so you say that the 64bit packages install 32 libs also in another place?
[10:13] <Nermal> Computer__Guru there probably is.. just in a random package
[10:13] <Computer__Guru> not that i can see
[10:14] <Nermal> guillem yeah.. well. at least I think so
[10:14] <zenrox> Computer__Guru, you can open the file in gimp and probly save as a yuv??
[10:14] <abhayks> Computer__Guru: Nice name u have
[10:15] <Computer__Guru> zenrox: an application i use is requiring png2yuv, which should be part of either mjpegtools or netpbm, but isnt present ont he system, though both packages are installed
[10:15] <ecarroll> what is the best way to perminatly disable artsd without breaking the ubuntu-desktop meta package? is there like a blacklist.d i can add it too?
[10:15] <Computer__Guru> abhayks: ty
[10:15] <guillem> Nermal, wow, I can see I have the "/usr/lib32" plenty of stuff
[10:15] <zenrox> Computer__Guru,  ya its plobly with anothe packare
[10:15] <d4rksh4de> how to edit menu.lst correctly?
[10:15] <DarkLight> hey guys. Can you help me with Ubuntu plz?
[10:15] <zenrox> search for that in synaptic
[10:15] <Nermal> Computer__Guru hmm.. can't see it on packages.ubuntu.com :|
[10:15] <Computer__Guru> zenrox: any idea how i'd find it?
[10:16] <zenrox> ^^
[10:16] <abhayks> DarkLight: what help u want?
[10:16] <Computer__Guru> synaptic isnt going to search within packages, though
[10:16] <zenrox> Computer__Guru,  also try some of the defernt searches too that synaptic provides
[10:16] <DarkLight> abhayks: heh, Im running now on Live Ubuntu Linux, its nice (I wanted to try it cause Im Winoz user) but I cant acces to my HDD
[10:17] <DarkLight> its correctly connected, I can normal boot on it to windows, but this Live Ubuntu cant see partitions and acces to disk :(
[10:17] <zenrox> DarkLight,  thats casue your windows partions = ntfs
[10:17] <d4rksh4de> how to put Windows boot to 1st in list correctly?
[10:17] <DarkLight> yep, its ntfs. why linux cant acces to ntfs?
[10:17] <hondje> it can read ntfs fine, it can't write safely
[10:17] <guillem> Nermal, however seems that some packages from multiverse, for instance, do no follow that policy :-((
[10:18] <Madpilot> DarkLight: because MS owns the standard, I think
[10:18] <DarkLight> I have Suse live cd from 03/2003 and it couldnt acces to ntfs, I thought that new version can :|
[10:18] <domster> d4rksh4de - su, vim /boot/grub/menu.lst, change '0' to 'saved' under default
[10:18] <zenrox> DarkLight, the live cd dont provide read access to ntfs in the first place
[10:18] <DarkLight> is any way how to acces to my disc over the live cd on which Im running? :)
[10:18] <DarkLight> btw sry for my stupid questions, linux is new for me :)
[10:18] <zenrox> DarkLight,  but linux can read ntfs partions just cat write to them
[10:18] <ecarroll> DarkLight: mount -t ntfs
[10:19] <scaroo> arg i dont succeed repairing my xkb :( could someone help me ?
[10:19] <zenrox> DarkLight,  not on a live cd
[10:19] <DarkLight> zenrox: :|
[10:19] <d4rksh4de> domster> 0 to saved    ... where?
[10:19] <DarkLight> but thanx to all for ur help :)
[10:19] <zenrox> ecarroll,  is right i need to look up befor i press enter
[10:19] <domster> d4rksh4de - I should probably explain a bit better, hold a sec
[10:19] <d4rksh4de> domster> i have the file opened
[10:19] <identp> is it possible to print a file from ubuntu to a shared network printer connected to a windows machine?
[10:20] <Nermal> guillem :|
[10:20] <shadeland> man, i'm trying to get mp3 support on the livecd, this is a challenge :)
[10:20] <Nermal> identp of course
[10:20] <Computer__Guru> synaptic returned nothing, as did packages.ubuntu.com
[10:20] <zenrox> identp, yes nice howto on the forums
[10:20] <Nermal> there are gnome tools to configure cups
[10:20] <identp> great, ill check it out
[10:20] <Nermal> Computer__Guru I couldn't even see it on packages.debian.org :|
[10:20] <DarkLight> shadeland: heh, how can you try to run mp3z when you cant acces to HDD with ntfs? ha, u have fat32 :D
[10:20] <domster> d4rksh4de: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/656
[10:20] <Computer__Guru> Nermal: i swear it exists
[10:21] <zenrox> Computer__Guru,  look for a tar.gz on the web and compile and add it your self
[10:21] <Nermal> Computer__Guru google ? :)
[10:21] <shadeland> DarkLight, I can access ntfs fine
[10:21] <Computer__Guru> googled it, as well. cant find a source package
[10:21] <Computer__Guru> so oh well
[10:21] <Computer__Guru> screw it
[10:21] <ecarroll> what is the best way to perminatly disable artsd without breaking the ubuntu-desktop meta package? is there like a blacklist.d i can add it too?
[10:21] <domster> d4rksh4de - there should be a comment right above the line you need to change pointing it out
[10:21] <shadeland> ntfs support is built in (although I'm only using it as read-only)
[10:22] <DarkLight> shade: u r lucky man, I cant =)
[10:22] <shadeland> Why not, I'm using 5.04 live CD
[10:22] <shadeland> mount -t ntfs -o ro /mnt/hda3 /mnt/cdrive
[10:22] <zenrox> shadeland,  you manuly mounted it tho
[10:22] <shadeland> or whatever
[10:22] <shadeland> yeah
[10:22] <DarkLight> wuuuu, thanx for tip, ill try to mount it :)
[10:23] <shadeland> make sur to include -o ro
[10:23] <shadeland> that makes it read only
[10:23] <zenrox> the live cd (imho) should auto mount any ntfs fs systems it finds
[10:23] <d4rksh4de> domster> and when i do this it puts the Windows on the list 1st? (right now windows is the bottomest)
[10:23] <abhayks> yes linux does not have a stable driver to write to ntfs partetion
[10:23] <DarkLight> zenrox: for example, live cd of suse linux do it (find ntfs auto) but this ubuntu not :|
[10:24] <zenrox> DarkLight,  better exxompol = knoppix
[10:24] <Belutz> hai all, i just insall kubuntu desktop over my ubuntu... it's greatttttt
[10:24] <Belutz> i love ubuntu!!!
[10:24] <DarkLight> zenrox: =)
[10:24] <zenrox> lol
[10:24] <DarkLight> darkshade: console after mount cmd say that only root can do it :( fcuk
[10:24] <domster> d4rksh4de: not exactly - you could just edit the order. what this does is make it so it defaults to the OS you last booted into
[10:25] <zenrox> DarkLight, add a sudo inforunt
[10:25] <Belutz> anyone, how do i set different wallpaper for each desktop in gnome?
[10:25] <DarkLight> zenrox: ?? xixi, sry for my suxxx english, Im from CZ and only 14yrs old =)))))
[10:25] <Androo> what repository has the "regionset" tool?
[10:25] <zenrox> sudo
[10:26] <zenrox> sudo mount ..........
[10:26] <d4rksh4de> domster> but i can choose any time other OS?
[10:26] <abhayks> I dont understand this kde/gnome issue ( both are bloated and work properly) though I feel k3b is the best DVD ripping appl, but that apart both are equally good
[10:26] <domster> d4rksh4de, sure can
[10:26] <zenrox> Belutz,  dual monitor??
[10:26] <d4rksh4de> domster> ok thank you
[10:26] <Belutz> zenrox: 1 monitor
[10:27] <abhayks> Now I'll try XFCE ( it is low on system resources)
[10:27] <zenrox> Belutz,  thats not possable as far as i know?
[10:27] <Nermal> !regionset
[10:27] <ubotu> Nermal: No idea
[10:27] <Belutz> is XFCE have a great look?
[10:27] <Nermal> bah
[10:27] <Belutz> zenrox: ic... cause it's possible in KDE
[10:27] <zenrox> Belutz,  yes
[10:27] <jukk> i want to setup music server for my LAN to listen to...most of the music is in mp3 format. is there a php script to do this?
[10:27] <abhayks> Well, I have not tried as yet but seen the screenshots- they appear gr8
[10:27] <Belutz> is XFCE available in hoary universe?
[10:27] <Nermal> Androo   utils/regionset [universe] 
[10:27] <zenrox> Belutz,  gnome dont have that capability
[10:28] <abhayks> yes XFCE is in hoary
[10:28] <zenrox> Belutz, yes
[10:28] <zenrox> xfce4.2.1 tho
[10:28] <Belutz> ok... trying to get XFCE *excited*
[10:28] <abhayks> USE Breezy-- for latest ones
[10:28] <zenrox> i love xfce
[10:29] <zenrox> i have 4.2.2 debs installed
[10:29] <Nermal> xfce isn't that exciting
[10:29] <zenrox> it is for me
[10:29] <Nermal> zenrox bless
[10:29] <zenrox> nice clean and faster on my dual monitors
[10:30] <abhayks> Please check "http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot24ii.png"
[10:30] <abhayks> this is a gnome session- a bit modified though
[10:30] <abhayks> XFCE appears equally good with very low on resources
[10:30] <zenrox> this is true
[10:31] <tobi_> good morning!
[10:31] <zenrox> but reall fast on sys's with lots of resources
[10:31] <ecarroll> what is the best way to perminatly disable artsd without breaking the ubuntu-desktop meta package? is there like a blacklist.d i can add it too?
[10:31] <tobi_> is there a way to fix x keymaps in breezy? *duck*
[10:32] <abhayks> Please any comments about the images !!
[10:32] <tobi_> daniels: are you there :) ?
[10:32] <d4rksh4de> do my intel x86 Ubuntu work on AMD 64 Athlon?
[10:33] <zenrox> d4rksh4de,  no
[10:33] <abhayks> d4rksh4de: It should not
[10:33] <zenrox> d4rksh4de, it can but will run in emulated mode
[10:33] <d4rksh4de> it should work on AMD Athlon
[10:33] <tobi_> damn, i'm dying without brackets :(
[10:33] <daniels> robihm?
[10:33] <d4rksh4de> but in 64 bit?
[10:33] <daniels> er
[10:33] <daniels> tobi_: hm?
[10:34] <DarkLight> grrr, now it says that "hdaX" (instead x is numer) does not exist :| im so sorry for my stupid problemz ;)
[10:34] <tobi_> daniels: is there a way to fix the keymaps in xorg?
[10:34] <tobi_> daniels: or just to make altgr work?
[10:34] <daniels> tobi_: make sure you have the newest xkeyboard-config and xlibs installed, and that /etc/X11/xkbcomp is a symlink to a binary that runs
[10:34] <daniels> (preferably xkbcomp itself if you want anything to work ...)
[10:34] <daniels> and also, /etc/X11/xkb/compiled should be a symlink to /var/lib/xkb, I think
[10:35] <tobi_> daniels: xlibs won't install, it tries to delete the xkb stuff.
[10:35] <mebaran151> why is sound juicer so damn slow compared to goobox
[10:35] <mebaran151> ?
[10:35] <daniels> tobi_: it should, it just needs some poking
[10:35] <tobi_> and the postconfig-script exits with signal 1
[10:35] <mebaran151> also for ogg, should I be using 160 kbps or 128 kbps
[10:35] <mebaran151> is 160 so much better
[10:35] <Androo> I have installed libdvdcss2 and Totem still will not play encrypted DVDs ("don't know how to handle video/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)2 ....")
[10:35] <mebaran151> in the modern iteration of ogg
[10:36] <mebaran151> Androo, I dont think Totem will ever be able to use it ...
[10:36] <mebaran151> use mplayer
[10:36] <tobi_> daniels: so it will never run through, even if i delete the whole xkb dir
[10:36] <daniels> tobi_: make sure /etc/X11/xkb/rules exists as a directory
[10:36] <daniels> tobi_: mkdir -p /etc/X11/xkb/rules && sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs_6.8.2-42_all.deb && sudo apt-get install xkeyboard-config
[10:37] <daniels> tobi_: i have a fix for this coming up tonight
[10:37] <tobi_> daniels: ok, i'll give it a try! thanks a lot!
[10:38] <DarkLight> zenrox: still here?
[10:39] <zenrox> DarkLight, hdaX = hda 1-99 (usualy 1 for a cdrive)
[10:40] <zenrox> c drive
[10:42] <DarkLight> I tried from 1 to 10 and it still say "special device /mnt/hda1 does not exist
[10:42] <yahalom> hey guys i'm working on a windows box are there any apps that will give me a linux terminal?
[10:43] <Androo> yahalom: SSH + PuTTY
[10:43] <Ninwa> Is it just me or is like half the internet down.. O_O
[10:43] <Ninwa> Yes, I mean that in ths most serious way possible...
[10:43] <abhayks> anyone tried archLinux ?
[10:43] <Androo> if you mean accessing a remote box
[10:44] <Ninwa> I can only resolve about half of the domain names I try... and sometimes it will resolve but not connect to the IP
[10:44] <Androo> abhayks: yes, its quite nice, though the package selection isn't always fantastic
[10:44] <Ninwa> ... I think maybe there's a very bad node right next to me...
[10:44] <yahalom> Androo: i got putty. i want to be able to browse this box with alinux terminal not a remote host
[10:44] <Ninwa> it literally split the internet into two :(
[10:44] <abhayks> yahalom: try cygwin
[10:44] <Androo> yahalom: cygwin
[10:44] <yahalom> what is cygwin?
[10:45] <abhayks> Androo: Planning to install it on my desktop-- looks too risky for Thinkpad
[10:46] <abhayks> yahalom: it is an application that gives a *NIX like interface, most of unix utilities and even XServer
[10:46] <scaroo> daniels, the "apt-get install xkeyboard-config" fails because it tries to replace a file owned by xbase-clients
[10:46] <yahalom> :( admin has give me no install access.
[10:46] <abhayks> scaroo-- this is the worst part of dependency hell
[10:46] <daniels> scaroo: which one -- /etc/X11/xkb/compiled, or /xkbcomp?
[10:46] <yahalom> anyone know where i can get a gaim.exe without having to isntall it?
[10:46] <abhayks> yahalom: use Linux Live CD
[10:46] <hondje> yahalom: http://xlivecd.indiana.edu/
[10:46] <scaroo> daniels, /etc/X11/xkb/compiled
[10:47] <yahalom> abhayks: workign from a terminal
[10:47] <LasseL> is there any way I can "right-click-drag" in nautilus like I can in windows explorer?
[10:47] <daniels> scaroo: ok, there's a fix on the way for that
[10:47] <abhayks> u can download gaim.exe, without installing it
[10:48] <scaroo> abhayks, well said ! but it also a way to keep a system coherent :)
[10:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok can anyone help me i'm trying to install java
[10:48] <abhayks> sorry I don't have it, becoz I don't use any application ending with .exe
[10:48] <scaroo> daniels, ok so i wait and see
[10:48] <abhayks> scaroo: true
[10:48] <yahalom> abhayks: where? i onyl dounf installation exes
[10:49] <yahalom> abhayks: yeah i never use windows. just at work they are using windows :(
[10:49] <hussam> By next month, will breezy be safe enough to upgrade?
[10:49] <abhayks> yahalom: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/downloads.php
[10:49] <abhayks> here u'll find the windows version too
[10:49] <yahalom> abhayks: but its an install
[10:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so um anyone have any ideas about my java question?
[10:50] <pokemon69> hello, i'm with a small problem with debmirror I can't get with to download the backports packages, anyone can help out ?
[10:50] <Madpilot> !java
[10:50] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin.
[10:50] <abhayks> u mean -- u need the executable, OH to get around the restriction of not able to install
[10:51] <hondje> what's the Q, ChurcH_of_FoamY ?
[10:51] <Madpilot> ChurcH_of_FoamY: ubotu does - or do you have that URL already?
[10:51] <bojangles> there is one statement that i just don't understand no matter how hard i try
[10:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i installed java but can't figure out how to get the plug in for mozilla
[10:51] <bojangles> this person said "Because they are freaking overpriced, that is why"
[10:51] <hondje> where'd you install it to?
[10:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> to work
[10:51] <yahalom> abhayks: exactly
[10:51] <hondje> /usr/java?
[10:51] <pokemon69> anyone can help me out with a comando so i can make demirror get the packages from the Backports project ??
[10:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hell if i know i followd this
[10:51] <TPC> will the debootstrap on a hoary cd work when installing a "normal" debian system? or do I have to install debians debootstrap?
[10:52] <abhayks> yahalom: there is a hack for that-- not ethical though
[10:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> http://java.com/en/download/help/5000010500.xml#enable
[10:52] <Madpilot> bojangles: are you STILL rabbiting on about MS? why?
[10:52] <bojangles> but Apple is even more expensive than MS and Blade setups are even more expensive than Apple....so why do they say $20,000 for a basic copy of windows is overpriced.
[10:52] <abhayks> yahalom: use a linux live CD and get the windows administrator password
[10:52] <yahalom> abhayks: tell me
[10:52] <yahalom> abhayks: how?
[10:52] <bojangles> and RedHat is more expensive too.
[10:53] <yahalom> abhayks: how would i do that?
[10:53] <hondje> ChurcH_of_FoamY: but where did you extract it to?
[10:53] <yahalom> abhayks: i m on terminal :(
[10:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hondje i don't know where it installed to >.<
[10:53] <bojangles> it seems like they just don't want to individually fork over the $20,000 each.
[10:53] <scaroo> ChurcH_of_FoamY, you should use the java-common package wich offer you a tool to generate a deb file from the sun'sjava installer
[10:54] <scaroo> it will resolve for you the symlinks and so on to get the mozilla plugin
[10:54] <bojangles> and every TCO study has shown that $20,000 for windows is always cheaper than free Linux
[10:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i downloaded it from java's website >.<
[10:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> cause the how to dosen't work with my repos
[10:54] <abhayks> yahalom:http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/WinXP/Q_20348448.html
[10:54] <ValheruLord> are there any good documents about POSIx Standards
[10:54] <hondje> linux saves us assloads of money at work, ymmv
[10:55] <hondje> TCOs are for PHBs :p
[10:55] <Madpilot> bojangles: you do know that MS sponsered at least some of those "Linux is expesive" studies, don't you?
[10:55] <bojangles> Madpilot, well regardless...cant you see that $20,000 is cheaper than free.
[10:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hondje i tryed yesterday to follow this link but the repos woulden't work for me
[10:56] <Madpilot> bojangles: WTF is your problem? You've been on this subject for hours, and it wasn't even that interesting in the first place...
[10:56] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, hey, remember the ubuntu code of conduct
[10:56] <identp> kubuntu decided that it didnt like my cdrom anymore
[10:56] <identp> [15:56]  <identp> i took out one cd and put a new one in
[10:56] <identp> [15:57]  <identp> now i get the error: Unable to create io-slave: error loading 'kio_media'
[10:56] <bojangles> Madpilot, i am trying to understand why every individual in India doesn't want to be honest and pay the $20,000 for a legal copy of windows.
[10:57] <zenrox> identp,  try in #kubuntu
[10:57] <Burgundavia> bojangles, this is #ubuntu, not #bashwindowstco
[10:57] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: yeah, yeah. bojangles, because that's a lot of money, esp. in India?
[10:57] <abhayks> bojangles: Refrain yourself from making such slandrous remaks about Indians
[10:57] <identp> zenrox, tried there, no help :(
[10:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> whats the current version of java?
[10:59] <scaroo> ChurcH_of_FoamY, 1.5
[10:59] <abhayks> Madpilot: this is #ubuntu and not  #regional forum
[10:59] <xuniluser> HI Guys: I'm looking for a Visual-like Software Development tool for ubuntu linux. Anyone?
[10:59] <scaroo> ChurcH_of_FoamY, 1.5 rev3 to be precise
[10:59] <scaroo> xuniluser, try eclipse
[10:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[10:59] <abhayks> I believe we are all using ubuntu ( FREE)
[10:59] <Rattboi> I'm not
[10:59] <hondje> I thought it was 4
[11:00] <scaroo> xuniluser, try eclipse + cdt (c dev environement) + visual editor plugin
[11:00] <hondje> java version "1.5.0_04"
[11:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[11:00] <scaroo> hondje, ah maybe ! i may have missed the fouth release
[11:00] <scaroo> *fourth
[11:01] <hondje> I don't think you're missing much :)
[11:01] <scaroo> yep ii sure is a minor revision :p
[11:01] <hondje> anyone using matlab r14?
[11:01] <bojangles> abhayks, i am going on heard facts...i did not make those facts...someone in this room made them and crimsun was also in the room
[11:02] <the_walrus> does anyone know where a list of repositories is?
[11:02] <scaroo> the_walrus, apt-get.org
[11:02] <bojangles> abhayks, i just forget who it was
[11:02] <the_walrus> thanks scaroo
[11:03] <tobi_> daniels: still won't work. the xlibs postinst-script always deletes the /etc/X11/xkb/rules, if it exists...
[11:03] <linukso> hondje: yes
[11:03] <linukso> hondje: not r14, but I think R17
[11:03] <tobi_> daniels: and setxkbmap dies with "Couldn't interpret _XKB_RULES_NAMES property"
[11:03] <abhayks> bojangles: sure u believe in having your own point of view and not to follow someone else views
[11:04] <hondje> 17? When they'd jump that high? Oh well...how does the UI run in linux?
[11:04] <daniels> tobi_: ok, just add 'exit 0' at the end of /var/lib/dpkg/info/xlibs.postinst and run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[11:05] <daniels> tobi_: did you install xkeyboard-config?
[11:05] <hondje> linukso: I'm still using r13, and I'm tired of it being retarded, like not using gl for plots, etc
[11:05] <tobi_> daniels: yeah
[11:05] <the_walrus> what happens if I put on a standard debian repository?
[11:05] <hondje> the_walrus: things break and you come back asking how to fix it
[11:05] <the_walrus> thought as much
[11:06] <the_walrus> i know how to fix stuff, its called "the axe"
[11:06] <the_walrus> :)
[11:06] <mouarffr> does anyone have an idea ? Xorg only launch on 640*480
[11:06] <linukso> hondje: ah, sorry. Mixing the numbers a bit. its R14, and I have not had any problems with the gui
[11:06] <hondje> then someone will point you to a guide on apt pinning, and you'll shorten your life from the stress
[11:06] <mouarffr> even if I don't have 640*480 in the conf file
[11:06] <linukso> hondje: except that it is slow
[11:06] <reka> !tell mouarffr about fixres
[11:06] <hondje> next thing you know, kids will throw rocks at you and laugh :( Very sad
[11:06] <hondje> linukso: happen to use a nvidia card with ti?
[11:06] <tobi_> daniels: i'll give it a try
[11:07] <linukso> hondje: yes
[11:07] <bojangles> abhayks, in this case i am just trying to understand the person' s comment "They are freaking overpriced"
[11:07] <bojangles> abhayks, this is not an obvious conclusion
[11:07] <hondje> linukso: awesome, and opengl doesn't complain?
[11:08] <mouarffr> for my screen resolution, the howto does not help me
[11:08] <bojangles> abhayks, nearly every TCO study has shown that paying  $20,000 each is far cheaper than paying nothing.
[11:08] <linukso> hondje: hmmm, never used opengl with matlab. sorry
[11:08] <bojangles> abhayks, so you can see it is not obvious.
[11:08] <reka> mouarffr: why not?
[11:09] <hondje> well, thanks a ton linukso
[11:09] <linukso> hondje: np
[11:10] <mouarffr> reka, my conffile is correct
[11:10] <xuniluser> scaroo: sorry for the delayed response, is eclipse included in the 5.0.4 ubuntu package?
[11:10] <reka> daniels: i posted a bug report for a broken package (sml-nj) today.  if the hoary repos only provide security updates, does this mean i'll have to wait for breezy before the problem is fixed?
[11:10] <reka> mouarffr: post it to a pastebin and i'll have a look.
[11:10] <xuniluser> scaroo: and how do i add the visual plugin and cdt?
[11:10] <abhayks> bojangles: these studies are worldwide an not restricted to India. Its OK to talk about M$, but plz talk in general terms and not with respect to any particular Country.
[11:11] <mouarffr> reka, pastebin ?
[11:11] <reka> paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:11] <bojangles> abhayks, well this particular person came into this room and specifically stated that India is pirating over 80% because they do not want to pay $20,000 each for a legal copy of windows.
[11:11] <bojangles> abhayks, this is why India has been focused on.
[11:12] <daniels> reka: right
[11:12] <Wilow> Excuse me.  I have windows XP and Ubuntu Hoary 5.04 updated.  I recently over-rided my MBR sector when I reinstall windows.  However I am now unable to boot Ubuntu.  I ready on (ubuntuguide.org) that I should type "rescue" at boot and log in as root then type "grub-install /dev/hda".  Where /dev/hda is the location of my /boot partition.  However it comes up with an error message.  I think my boot partition is called something else.  So my question is how do I f
[11:12] <Wilow> ind out which is my boot parition.
[11:12] <reka> daniels: *sigh* thanks.
[11:13] <reka> Wilow: 'sudo fdisk -l' maybe?
[11:15] <Wilow> reka: Can you confirm that will work?  I have to reboot this computer.
[11:15] <mouarffr> reka,  posted now
[11:15] <ilba7r> hi i installed gtk2_qt theme manager so i can manage the fonts from kde. Unfourtanetly it messed up all my gtk fonts. I removed it but still the fonts are messed up. ANY ONE KNOW HOW CAN I RETRIVE THE DEFAULT FONTS FOR GTK APPLICATIONS
[11:15] <reka> Wilow: i'm not certain actually...but when  use that, i get a 'Boot' column, and and asterix on /dev/hda1 which is my windows partition
[11:16] <the_walrus> I've added the backport repository, and I cant get flash installed
[11:16] <the_walrus> i cant even find the package
[11:16] <Wilow> reka: brb
[11:16] <hondje> flashplugin-nonfree IIRC, it's in multiverse
[11:16] <erirlar> when i uninstall an app in Synaptic how can i make it to also remove it's dependencies?
[11:16] <the_walrus> hondje, thats what I thought, I cant find it anywhere though
[11:17] <hondje> what do you mean, find it?
[11:17] <tobi_> daniels: still no success :(
[11:17] <the_walrus> well, I do "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
[11:17] <abhayks> erirlar: dep clean
[11:17] <reka> mouarffr: sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange
[11:17] <the_walrus> tells me it cant be found, so I search in synaptic, cant be found
[11:17] <tobi_> daniels: the postinst script ran through but it changes nothing
[11:17] <erirlar> abhayks: thanks
[11:17] <hondje> the_walrus: do you ahve multiverse repos?
[11:17] <the_walrus> I think so
[11:17] <DarkLight> hey guys, me again...
[11:18] <the_walrus> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[11:18] <the_walrus> would that line do it?
[11:18] <hondje> nope
[11:18] <daniels> tobi_: did you install xkeyboard-config?
[11:18] <the_walrus> ok, then no I dont have multiverse repo's
[11:18] <mouarffr> reka, monitorrange: 30-83, 56-76
[11:18] <hondje> go above, see the line that has universe in it, archive.ubuntu.something/hoary universe ?
[11:18] <tobi_> daniels: sure
[11:19] <DarkLight> zenrox: I mounted it to "home/ubuntu/disk" but I still cant see the content of my mounted partition :(
[11:19] <tobi_> daniels: and the xkbcomp also exists
[11:19] <the_walrus> deb http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted, that line?
[11:19] <hondje> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[11:19] <DarkLight> I used cmd: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /home/ubuntu/disk
[11:19] <hondje> that line
[11:19] <the_walrus> k
[11:20] <hondje> add the word multiverse after universe
[11:20] <the_walrus> sweet, thanks
[11:20] <mouarffr> reka, This not seems to be a conf problem.. On Gnome I only have 640*480 and 60hz
[11:20] <hondje> then run apt-get update and then you can do it
[11:20] <abhayks> DarkLight: " sudo ls /home/ubuntu/disk"
[11:20] <daniels> tobi_: ugh, weird
[11:20] <daniels> tobi_: let me check it out
[11:20] <the_walrus> thanks hondje
[11:20] <reka> mouarffr: i entered your monitor rates you gave me in the 'Monitor' section, which is what you would've gotten if you weren't so lazy and just followed the wiki instructions. :P
[11:20] <tobi_> daniels: yeah! btw - /etc/X11/xkb and the rules subdir where only root-accessible
[11:20] <reka> mouarffr: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/658
[11:20] <abhayks> DarkLight: Please ensure that /dev/hda1 was mounted properly
[11:20] <daniels> tobi_: oh, cool
[11:21] <abhayks> use "mount" to display all mounts
[11:21] <DarkLight> I mouted it correctly, (it didnt say any error message)
[11:21] <reka> mouarffr: replace your xorg.conf file with that, then restart X with a ctrl+alt+backspace
[11:21] <tobi_> daniels: but i changed that anyway... could you inform me via /query if you find something? i'll be idle then...
[11:21] <DarkLight> but when I open the mouted location (disk folder) it say that only root can show that or something like that
[11:22] <DarkLight> btw "sudo ls home/ubuntu/disk" >> No such file or directory
[11:22] <abhayks> DarkLight: u did not give the normal user the permission to see mounted parttetion
[11:22] <DarkLight> abhayks: aaaha :) and, how can I do that? :D
[11:23] <mouarffr> reka, If I kill gdm and launch startx it's work
[11:23] <mouarffr> reka, but if the computer startx with gdm it's only on 640*480 :(
[11:24] <reka> mouarffr: did you do what i said?
[11:24] <hondje> but if it works w/out gdm, then it should be configured fine
[11:24] <mouarffr> reka,  yep but i did not restart gdm until the changes
[11:24] <mouarffr> reka,  let's restart gdm to see what it does
[11:25] <mouarffr> reka, seems to work better :)
[11:25] <reka> mouarffr: fixed?
[11:25] <DarkLight> *angry_with_mounting_ntfs_partitions* :(
[11:26] <mouarffr> reka, didn't xorg able to do this alone ?
[11:26] <reka> what do you mean?
[11:27] <mouarffr> reka, on my debian I didn't put the settings
[11:27] <mouarffr> reka, and it's working great
[11:27] <McYoda> Hello world. Umm, I have a slight problem with Apache (1.3.33), I wonder if anyone could help? The problem is that I have drwxr-xr-x access to my /images folder, but still I get 403 error. I have also <Directory> configured as Allow from all. What could be the problem?
[11:27] <reka> mouarffr: likely then that debain detected your monitor correctly and ubuntu did not
[11:27] <Wilow> reka: it didn't work
[11:27] <Wilow> "cannot open /proc/partitions"
[11:28] <Wilow> I did it through user and root
[11:28] <Wilow> fdisk -l
[11:28] <reka> mouarffr: it's  a *very* common problem.  i myself have to do it when i reinstall.
[11:28] <mouarffr> reka, yep seems to be something like that, thanks for your help
[11:28] <reka> sure, next time try the wiki at least
[11:28] <Tomcat_> McYoda: Are the files inside readable by the webserver?
[11:28] <McYoda> And, I figured that I can access the folder when I rename it to e.g /imagess or anything else. Just when the name is "images", it turns forbidden.
[11:28] <reka> when someone tells you to. :P
[11:28] <McYoda> Yes, they are, Tomcat_
[11:29] <Tomcat_> Mh. :\
[11:29] <Wilow> This is urgent I need to boot up my Ubuntu 5.04 but my MBR is erased and I don't know which is my boot parition.
[11:29] <Wilow> My Windows XP overrided Ubuntu GRUB MBR and I can't boot Ubuntu
[11:30] <Burgundavia> Wilow, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[11:30] <snowblink> Wilow, have you got a linux CD handy?
[11:30] <mouarffr> reka, I just saw the line sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange in the wiki :)
[11:30] <Wilow> I put the Ubuntu CD in and followed that Burgundavia
[11:30] <Burgundavia> and?
[11:30] <bojangles> what does this mean "freaking overpriced" ....what determines price?
[11:30] <Wilow> Excuse me.  I have windows XP and Ubuntu Hoary 5.04 updated.  I recently over-rided my MBR sector when I reinstall windows.  However I am now unable to boot Ubuntu.  I read on (ubuntuguide.org) that I should type "rescue" at boot and log in as root then type "grub-install /dev/hda".  Where /dev/hda is the location of my /boot partition.  However it comes up with an error message.  I think my boot partition is called something else.  So
[11:30] <Wilow> my question is how do I find out which is my boot parition.
[11:30] <mouarffr> reka, I didn't do this test as it's working on my debian.. My fault
[11:31] <hondje> !tell Wilow about windowsmbr
[11:31] <ColonelKernel> Wilow, when you do grub-install put --rescan at the end
[11:31] <DarkLight> :( mounting still wont work!
[11:31] <Wilow> grub-install --rescan
[11:31] <Wilow> no path name?
[11:31] <ColonelKernel> Wilow, I apologize its -recheck
[11:32] <Wilow> "grub-install -recheck" is the exact command, character for character roger?
[11:32] <ColonelKernel> grub-install /dev/whateveryourbootpartitionusuallyis -recheck
[11:32] <Wilow> I do not know wher emy bootpartion is or what is is named though
[11:32] <reka> that's the thing, he's not sure which is the boot partition
[11:32] <lonetree> hi guys
[11:33] <lonetree> is this the ubuntu irc channel?
[11:33] <McYoda> Yes, it seems to be it.
[11:33] <bojangles> "freaking overpriced?" by what formula do you determine the correct price?
[11:33] <golanz> yes it is lonetree
[11:33] <lonetree> thanks golanz
[11:33] <golanz> :-) lonetree
[11:33] <lonetree> :-)
[11:34] <DarkLight> lonetree: yep =)
[11:34] <lonetree> i have encounter a problem here which i do not whether any of you guys here has it
[11:34] <lonetree> do you guys enounter problem with timestamp?
[11:34] <DarkLight> abhayks: u there? =)
[11:34] <golanz> a question on usb drives: when I attach one, my dmesg doesn't tell me where it is attached (eg. sdb1)
[11:35] <golanz> how can I discover it for sure?
[11:35] <Wilow> I am rather annoyed.  I use Ubuntu so that I can have a Linux Operating System to use.  However I could have fixed this problem by reformatting and installing ubuntu again by now.  The only thing that is stopping me are my remaining files on Unbuntu.
[11:35] <lonetree> i.e, when you copy a file or a folder with file over to a network share, the folder date changes to the current date and file date changes to 1980 01 01 tues
[11:35] <ColonelKernel> Wilow, the do grub-install -recheck /dev/hda
[11:35] <ColonelKernel> sheesh
[11:35] <golanz> wilow: if you use a root partition, and a separate partition for home, you can reinstall without losing data
[11:36] <bojangles> Wilow, there are grub docs available online so you don't have to ask such questions...they are in apt-get
[11:36] <golanz> any help for usb drives?
[11:36] <marcus__> how do i watch movies on ubuntu?
[11:36] <lonetree> anyone?
[11:36] <ColonelKernel> marcus__, I use mplayer
[11:37] <marcus__> cos the ones i download are all frm widows player
[11:37] <lonetree> i use mplayer too
[11:37] <bojangles> Wilow, this way if you are busy reading the millions of documentations pages...you won't have to take anyone's time to ask any questions.
[11:37] <lonetree> works just fine
[11:37] <Wilow> I'm sick of reading articles and forums to learn linux.  They mostly all lead to the wrong direction and searching in most cases such as these is a terribly painful process of elimination
[11:37] <lonetree> i do agree with you wilow
[11:37] <marcus__> can u watch any downloaded movies on mplayer?
[11:37] <lonetree> but learning is a process
[11:37] <bojangles> Wilow, absolutely....that is why RTM is changed to RTFM....note the word fuckedup
[11:38] <Wilow> I would rather learn to program or do something else than waste my time trying to fix something so linux trivial
[11:38] <ColonelKernel> Wilow, youve been told what to do, numerous tinmes
[11:38] <housetier> http://instant-knowledge.com/ <- no learning, just clicking and knowing
[11:38] <ColonelKernel> no ones holding a gun to your head
[11:39] <Wilow> I still think a solution should be put http://ubuntuguide.org/#restoregrubmenuafterwindowsinstallation to find your home parition.  My personal opinion.
[11:39] <lonetree> so what about my question?
[11:40] <lonetree> did anyone have this problem on timestamp
[11:40] <Wilow> mplayer song
[11:40] <reka> Wilow: do you know if you installed grub on the windows partition?
[11:40] <Data> my time is too fast (AMD Athlon 64 proc w/ cpud freq scaling) Any ideas?
[11:40] <lonetree> i.e dat and time change on copy and paste to network share folder
[11:40] <Wilow> I have no idea, sorry.
[11:40] <marcus__> how do i download mplayer?
[11:40] <Wilow> I selected install Ubuntu on largest free space available
[11:40] <Wilow> sudo apt-get mplayer?
[11:41] <Madpilot> lonetree: start with the really obvious: you've double-check system time & date on all the comps, right?
[11:41] <lonetree> yes
[11:41] <reka> Wilow: well, assuming you did, did you ever mount your windows partition in /etc/fstab?
[11:42] <Wilow> I just mounted it when I needed to access the windows files through Linux if that is what you are referring too.
[11:42] <reka> Wilow: but you didn't use /etc/fstab?
[11:43] <Wilow> reka: no I did not.
[11:43] <Wilow> lonetree: http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt
[11:43] <erirlar> how can i change the computer name? tryed changeing it in /etc/hosts but then i couldnt log inn to Gnome
[11:43] <Wilow> go to Mplayer 1/4 of the way down
[11:44] <reka> Wilow: well that stuffs up my suggestion...have you tryed ColonelKernel's one yet?
[11:44] <reka> *tried
[11:44] <Data> erirlar, /etc/hostname
[11:44] <ColonelKernel> just add -recheck
[11:44] <Wilow> grub-install -recheck /dev/hda?
[11:44] <Wilow> I am just about to check it now, roger?
[11:44] <ColonelKernel> Wilow, if that doesnt work try -rescan
[11:44] <ColonelKernel> I cant remember which one it was
[11:45] <Wilow> brb
[11:45] <erirlar> Data: thank you
[11:45] <lonetree> I am still stuck with this date and time problem
[11:45] <orangerange> Hello, all: Do you have even a bit of a knack/eye for good design/layout? If so, please  take a second to look at a one-page handout that I will be giving to my audience. It' an openoffice file. http://koyuri.tripod.com/bigfoot.sxw or http://koyuri.tripod.com/bigfoot.odt. Please give me your advice, as to how I can better the design or layout.
[11:45] <lonetree>  anyone else here has this problem?
[11:46] <marcus__> where can i find the download for mplayer?
[11:46] <Data> please, has anybody an idea, why my time is running too fast? is that a problem with cpud frequency scaling?!?!?
[11:46] <mouarffr> arg My new workstation is now installed on ubuntu :) I will test the difference with my old station on Debian
[11:46] <bojangles> marcus__, Wilow posted a decent documentation for everyone before he left and he was careful to note the dependencies
[11:46] <lonetree> guys
[11:47] <bojangles> marcus__, but sadly they are illegal in the US as far as i know...but i don't know all the facts.
[11:47] <Madpilot> marcus__: mplayer is in Synaptic. no need to go to the web
[11:47] <orangerange> the one page paper is just a simple list of "Useful Japanese Phrases". I just want to make it look clean and pretty, and something that my audience would like to use and refer to. If you have the time, please take a look at the document as referred to above. Thank you very much! I know this is not a ubuntu-specific question, but if you have a minute of time, I'd appreciate it. Thank you. 8-)   8-)    8-)
[11:48] <orangerange> Again, the file is at http://koyuri.tripod.com/bigfoot.odt or http://koyuri.tripod.com/bigfoot.sxw. 8-)
[11:48] <lonetree> sudo apt-get install mplayer-386
[11:49] <marcus__> so how do i get it then?
[11:49] <lonetree> i shall ask my question again
[11:49] <lonetree> at console
[11:49] <lonetree> type sudo -s
[11:49] <lonetree> then enter your root password
[11:49] <bojangles> lonetree, well hard to say...have you read the docs on tzinfo
[11:49] <lonetree> and then issue the command sudo apt-get install mplayer-386
[11:50] <bojangles> lonetree, or maybe tzselect...not sure about ubuntu
[11:50] <wilow> THe command is "grub-install --recheck /dev/hda"
[11:50] <wilow> Response is:
[11:50] <wilow> "/dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive"
[11:50] <lonetree> tzselect?
[11:50] <j2dope> hi guys. i've got an external HDD. one partition is NTFS, the other i made to Fat32... ubuntu only mounts the Fat32 partition. how can i make it mount the NTFS (where most of my music is)
[11:50] <lonetree> time zone?
[11:51] <bojangles> lonetree, or tzconfig
[11:51] <bojangles> lonetree, not sure about ubuntu
[11:51] <lonetree> bah
[11:51] <bojangles> lonetree, you should read the docs on those
[11:51] <lonetree> it doesn't help at all
[11:51] <Raptoid> selamlar..
[11:51] <wilow> Hmm.. only 1 and a half hours wasted on a trvial linux problem which is still not solved.
[11:51] <lonetree> in fact i think this is a common problem on lots of linux distro
[11:51] <bojangles> wilow, well at least you posted some nice docs for others.
[11:52] <lonetree> i haver tried fedora core 4 , novell suse, ubuntu, gentoo, and PCBSD
[11:52] <bojangles> wilow, there are grub specific docs so you can learn more about grub
[11:52] <bojangles> wilow, and they are in apt-get
[11:52] <lonetree> all has this problem on date and time issue
[11:52] <lonetree> wierd
[11:52] <bojangles> lonetree, well what did the docs say on tzconfig
[11:52] <orangerange> nobody has a spare minute of time?
[11:52] <lonetree> I'm not sure
[11:53] <lonetree> but if tz is about time zone then i have no issue cos all are set correctly
[11:53] <lonetree> orange
[11:53] <bojangles> lonetree, well maybe you should check your bios
[11:53] <lonetree> i can't see anything there
[11:53] <wilow> I can almost assure you that I would read through half of it, get half and won't get half.  That will takes hours.  I can assure you, that idea is not even worth considering.  Just like most of the stupid linux man pages without any examples of the parameters in play in which can and can't be used together etc.
[11:53] <bojangles> lonetree, perhaps your clock is set wrong
[11:53] <orangerange> lonetree, you talking to me?
[11:53] <tobi_> daniels: you upgraded xkeyboard-config - is it already solved?
[11:54] <daniels> tobi_: yeah
[11:54] <daniels> tobi_: well
[11:54] <daniels> tobi_: the file conflicts, anyway
[11:54] <daniels> it works locally, but I'm still trying to find out why it's broken for you
[11:54] <lonetree> bojangles, if one system is like that then maybe that is the problem
[11:54] <lonetree> i have 4 boxes here
[11:54] <lonetree> all installed with different os
[11:54] <lonetree> 3 linux 1 windows
[11:55] <lonetree> all 3 linux gave the same problem on time and datre
[11:55] <lonetree> date
[11:55] <lonetree> yes orange
[11:55] <lonetree> i tried to go to the link but i can't see anything
[11:55] <bojangles> lonetree, well are the bios set correctly and are you loading any services that try to get the time from the web
[11:55] <bojangles> lonetree, perhaps at a wrong location
[11:55] <reka> wilow: i understand your frustration and personally, i would just reinstall and get it over and done with.  did you have a seperate home partition?
[11:55] <lonetree> like wat?
[11:56] <lonetree> bojangles
[11:56] <orangerange> lonetree, do you use openoffice 1.1.X? or version 2?
[11:56] <lonetree> i use 2
[11:56] <tobi_> daniels: ok, thanks! i'll upgrade and try it in a few minutes...
[11:56] <bojangles> lonetree, well i have seen some linux distros that try to sink to some external web based clock
[11:56] <lonetree> bojangles, wat issue will that have?
[11:56] <wilow> No, not in this install.  I usually do it with other Linux Distos but I'm new to Ubuntu and wanted to pretty much just Use linux not nessessary Learn linux.
[11:56] <bojangles> lonetree, and they always screw up the clock....so make sure you are not running the wrong service in  your runlevel.
[11:57] <j2dope> hi guys. i've got an external HDD. one partition is NTFS, the other i made to Fat32... ubuntu only mounts the Fat32 partition. how can i make it mount the NTFS (where most of my music is)
[11:57] <martii> hi folks
[11:57] <martii> what do you use for spam filtering with exim ?
[11:57] <marcus__> how do u get it man
[11:57] <orangerange> lonetree, i'm trying to send you file. please accept
[11:57] <marcus__> i cant seem to work it out
[11:57] <marcus__> mplayer how do get it?
[11:58] <orangerange> lonetree, i'm trying to send you the openoffice file. please accept it.
[11:58] <ilba7r> hi again somehow i managed to mess up my fonts
[11:58] <reka> wilow: ok then, you can use something like this: http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/ or this: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm to get the files you need on your ubuntu partition.
[11:58] <lonetree> bojangles
[11:58] <lonetree> tell me more
[11:58] <lonetree> what should i do?
[11:58] <ilba7r> i have a pdf file with times new roman fonts but with evince i am sure it is not displaying the right font how can i rectify that
[11:58] <orangerange> lonetree, please accept the file.
[11:59] <orangerange> lonetree, hit the "accept" or "receive" button.
[11:59] <bojangles> lonetree, what happens if you just try to use date
[11:59] <lonetree> wat is it abt?
[11:59] <orangerange> lonetree, you talking to me? If so, please say my nickname "bigfoot1".
[11:59] <reka> wilow: ...then just reinstall....take the experience with a grain of salt.  at least it will remind you next time to work out which is the boot partition before installing windows
[12:00] <Madpilot> orangerange: actually, you're not using 'bigfoot', but orangerange...
[12:00] <bojangles> lonetree, can you not correct the time with date
[12:00] <Madpilot> off to sleep. later, everyone...
[12:00] <lonetree> bojangles, wat do you mean?
[12:01] <lonetree> are you trying to say that i dun sync the time and date with time server?
[12:01] <lonetree> bojangles
[12:01] <huttan> hello, Im trying to install ubuntu on my laptop, but it always freezes on bootup on "Starting hotplug subsystem..."
[12:01] <bojangles> lonetree, what i am saying is why don't you just set the time with date or bios and take the external stuff out of your runlevel
[12:02] <wilow> reka: Windows has stopped me booting Linux
[12:02] <wilow> A very common occurrence. What happens is that Uncle Bill does not accept that any other operating system (O/S) apart from one created by Microsoft should be allowed to run on a PC. So, when you load / re-load any of Uncle Bill's O/Ss it will overwrite a part of your hard disk called the Master Boot Record (mbr). This is the bit that tells your PC, during boot up, where to find the operating system.  (Knew this already.... but AMEN)
[12:02] <bassembg> hi room
[12:02] <azerttyu> bonjour
[12:02] <bassembg> its me again
[12:02] <bojangles> wilow, well i suppose that is why MS charges $20,000 for a legal copy of windows and nobody complains.
[12:03] <bassembg> i'm trying to install my printer driver but it dosen't work  any help
[12:03] <curut> hey peep i have a question if i want to refresh the sound without restarting which resources should i kill?
[12:03] <reka> wilow: i was actually thinking of that....didn't want to start the ms-hating. :)
[12:03] <Belutz> hmmm after trying KDE and XFCE, i think Gnome is the most suitable for me...
[12:03] <huttan> Anyone have any idea ?
[12:03] <curut> is it esd?
[12:03] <bojangles> bassembg, well so far i have found 3 printers that work
[12:03] <bassembg> but i allready have one
[12:03] <wilow> Don't you Love that line ""It's business, not personal"
[12:04] <bojangles> bassembg, an HP LJ, the Brother MFC3420C and the Epson CX5400 MFC
[12:04] <bojangles> bassembg, that is all i have found that work
[12:04] <lonetree> bojangles
[12:04] <bassembg> its sumsoung scx 4100
[12:04] <lonetree> i think i have done that
[12:04] <reka> wilow: off 'the apprentice'? :)
[12:04] <lonetree> but just in case i have done wrongly
[12:04] <wilow> Yeah bro
[12:04] <bassembg> it has a linux software but wit sh extension
[12:04] <lonetree> can you let me know the steps?
[12:04] <marcus__> man i still cant get mplayer
[12:04] <bassembg> how can i run it] 
[12:04] <marcus__> anybody can help me?
[12:04] <huttan> hello, Im trying to install ubuntu on my laptop, but it always freezes on bootup on "Starting hotplug subsystem...", anyone know what might be wrong?
[12:05] <bojangles> bassembg, and the Brother was quite difficult to make work...especially the scanner stuff
[12:05] <to|m> marcus__: reionstall it?
[12:05] <ColonelKernel>  does the linux-source dir one installs with apt-get have ubuntu patches applied to it or is it a vanilla 2.6.10?
[12:05] <curut> guy when i try to run mp3 it say my sound resources is being used what should i do?
[12:05] <marcus__> reinstall wat?
[12:05] <bassembg> so what to do?
[12:05] <bojangles> bassembg, but it does work as well as the Epson but the Epson is much easier to make work.
[12:05] <Belutz> huttan: what's the brand of your laptop?
[12:05] <to|m> marcus__: mplayer package?
[12:05] <marcus__> how?
[12:06] <to|m> marcus__: like the other software look in menu
[12:06] <huttan> Belutz, Toshiba
[12:06] <bassembg> what about sh files or mfp files
[12:06] <bojangles> bassembg, because you have to modify the Brother cupswrapper from cups to cupsys
[12:07] <bojangles> bassembg, however both work fine.
[12:07] <huttan> Belutz, Toshiba m-40 140 FS
[12:07] <bassembg> how can i do that
[12:07] <huttan> Belutz, sorry. M-40 148 FS
[12:07] <Whistler> i wanna reencode mp3 i use audacity
[12:07] <Whistler> but it needs
[12:07] <lonetree> bojangles, can you let me know the steps?
[12:08] <Whistler> libmp3lame.so
[12:08] <Whistler> where can i get it?
[12:08] <marcus__> so i have to restart my comp?
[12:08] <to|m> marcus__:  search ubuntu wiki 1st
[12:08] <wilow> reka: thanks for the links to extract win32 files from linux
[12:08] <bassembg> bojangles , how can i make sh files work on my linux
[12:09] <wilow> linux files from linux
[12:09] <wilow> linux files from windows
[12:09] <reka> wilow: no problem...hopefully your future experiences aren't as painful. :)
[12:10] <bojangles> bassembg, you need to get csh from synaptic
[12:10] <wilow> I still don't understand why fdisk -l isn't working
[12:10] <bojangles> bassembg, because some drivers require that particular capability
[12:10] <bojangles> bassembg, but for the most part you can use bash
[12:10] <universal> hi all
[12:10] <bassembg> ok i'll try it first
[12:10] <Whistler> libmp3lame.so
[12:10] <Whistler> where can i get it?
[12:10] <bassembg> how to use bash
[12:11] <universal> can some of u tell me were i can se details of my RAM?
[12:11] <bojangles> bassembg, there are plenty of examples...just look at a few scripts and it should become obvious
[12:11] <bojangles> bassembg, and also there is some nice 30 or so page documentation
[12:11] <bassembg> oh no i can't read any mor
[12:12] <bojangles> bassembg, what did you do?
[12:12] <universal> do u know were i can se details of my hardware?
[12:12] <to|m> how i get NUM Lock on at startup?
[12:12] <bassembg> i'm geting blind oh
[12:12] <bojangles> bassembg, oh well i have that problem too...
[12:12] <bojangles> bassembg, i bought a $1 lens that i use to read a little here and there.
[12:12] <bojangles> bassembg, when i have to
[12:13] <bojangles> bassembg, it works ok
[12:13] <bassembg> how to get csh from synaptic
[12:13] <bojangles> bassembg, well i got it from the debian web site
[12:13] <bojangles> bassembg, but you should be able to get it from several places.
[12:13] <universal> hello u there?
[12:13] <Whistler> anybody knows where can i get libmp3lame.so
[12:13] <Whistler> ?
[12:13] <universal> somebody?
[12:14] <bassembg> ok i'll search for csh , right?
[12:14] <huttan> hello, Im trying to install ubuntu on my laptop, but it always freezes on bootup on "Starting hotplug subsystem...", anyone know what might be wrong?
[12:14] <bojangles> bassembg, well if you need it....i needed it for the Brother stuff
[12:14] <bojangles> bassembg, just depends on what you are trying to do.
[12:15] <bassembg> ok
[12:15] <bassembg> all i'm trying to do is to use my laser printer
[12:16] <reka> to|m: http://freshmeat.net/projects/numlockx/
[12:16] <Nermal> huttan: boot with pci=noacpi noapic
[12:16] <to|m> reka: thx ;)
[12:17] <orangerange> hello. does anybody have a minute. I need some advice.
[12:17] <universal> how can i see what tyoe of RAM i have????
[12:17] <universal> how can i see what tyo'pe of RAM i have????
[12:17] <scaroo> daniels, ok the xkeyboard package is fixed and i could install it, xkb seems to be saner now but i still cant use the shift key to get upercased letters :/ (with a french layout), any clue ?
[12:17] <Whistler> anybody knows where can i get libmp3lame.so
[12:17] <Nermal> universal: usually when you turn your computer on
[12:18] <orangerange> Whistler, search ubuntuforums.com
[12:18] <universal> ok, yeah
[12:18] <Nermal> otherwise lspci -vv maybe
[12:18] <Nermal> might give you a clue
[12:18] <universal> Nermal, but i cant see details here in ubuntu?
[12:18] <Nermal> or the output from dmesg
[12:18] <Nermal> like I said.. maybe
[12:18] <universal> ok
[12:18] <universal> ill try
[12:18] <daniels> scaroo: no idea, sorry.  will investigate it.
[12:20] <orangerange> Hello all: before i submit a one-page document to headquarters, I'd like to get anyone's advice on how to make it more pleasing to the eye. Does anybody have a spare minute to just quickly skim over a page containing a few words?
[12:20] <orangerange> 8-) 8-) 8-)
[12:20] <marcus__> i have totem MPlayer
[12:20] <marcus__> is it any good?
[12:22] <huttan> Nermal, that doesnt fix it
[12:22] <huttan> Nermal, it seems whatever I do it stalls there =(
[12:23] <Nermal> huttan: cntrl-c it ? :|
[12:23] <Nermal> marcus__: two different products
[12:23] <huttan> Nermal, hehe nah
[12:24] <Nermal> boot with nohotplug ?
[12:24] <huttan> Nermal, how do I do that?
[12:25] <FireW0lf> erm - what display applet does ubuntu use? my gf has just installed it and cant seem to get a res better than 800x600
[12:25] <reka> !fixres
[12:25] <ubotu> it has been said that fixres is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:25] <apokryphos> FireW0lf: she'll likely have to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:26] <bojangles> bassembg, well what laser do you have
[12:27] <bojangles> bassembg, what model what brand?
[12:27] <Nermal> huttan: well, how did you try the other thing I suggested if you don't know how to boot with kernel parameters ?
[12:27] <huttan> Nermal, I knew those kernel parameters and tried them, didnt work. Donnu what parameter for not using hotplug tho
[12:28] <Nermal> "nohotplug"
[12:28] <AMDXP> lol
[12:28] <mouarffr> FireW0lf, read the faq not like me :) add the confif of your screen
[12:29] <reka> mouarffr: :)
[12:29] <Whistler> grr.
[12:29] <ColonelKernel> I sure hope it works
[12:29] <marcus__> argh..... i have no idea how to get MPlayer is there another altenative?
[12:29] <pschulz01> Anyone here use an iPod (photo) with Ubuntu?
[12:29] <huttan> Nermal, Still wants to start hotplug subsystem...
[12:30] <mouarffr> I trying to install mp3 support but gstreamer0.8-mad is not available ?
[12:30] <reka> !repositories
[12:30] <ubotu> repositories is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:30] <mouarffr> apt-cache search didn't find this pac
[12:31] <Whistler> anybody can help me with audacity needing libmp3lame.so?
[12:31] <AMDXP> pschulz01: I have to send my ipod in to get the firewire port fixed =(
[12:31] <pschulz01> AMDXP :(
[12:31] <bojangles> i am glad the brother and the epson work but i sure am tired of the ink approach
[12:31] <catfox> Whistler, mouarffr: you both need to enable the extra repositories. see www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:31] <bojangles> it is just so expensive
[12:32] <mouarffr> catfox, I m on the faq right now :) tks
[12:32] <pschulz01> AMDXP: There is currently an email discussion on the ubuntu-user mailing list about it.
[12:32] <j2dope> i have a Creative Zen micro. im trying to use Gnomad with it... when i do lusb it can see my Creative Zen... but how do i 'mount' it?
[12:32] <huttan> Nermal, any idea? =)
[12:32] <pschulz01> AMDPX: I have had similar problems..
[12:32] <reka> catfox: please don't recommend ubguide
[12:32] <Nermal> huttan: so you edited your grub boot line and then hit "b" to boot it yes ?
[12:32] <bojangles> bassembg, what laser are you trying to get working.
[12:32] <reka> !ubuntuguide
[12:32] <ubotu> rumour has it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[12:32] <huttan> Nermal, yea
[12:32] <catfox> reka, why not?
[12:32] <Nermal> with pci=noacpi noapic
[12:33] <catfox> reka, i see
[12:33] <Nermal> noacpi and noapic being different things
[12:33] <AMDXP> pschulz01: without the firewire i cant do anything it doesnt have a single mp3 on it
[12:33] <Whistler> catfox i have done this
[12:33] <huttan> trying now...
[12:33] <orangerange> How do i keep "Do you have a cheaper one" line on the bottom of the left side? Take a look at  http://koyuri.tripod.com/Screenshot-6.png
[12:33] <orangerange> File is at: http://koyuri.tripod.com/bigfoot.odt
[12:33] <reka> mouarffr: if you want a valid sources.list, use this one: paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:34] <huttan> not working
[12:34] <pschulz01> AMDXP: .. sorry.. did you manage to use it with ubuntu?
[12:34] <Nermal> huttan: dunno then
[12:34] <catfox> Whistler, install lame-devel
[12:34] <sw> help me pls
[12:34] <huttan> Nermal, thanks anyways
[12:34] <AMDXP> pschulz01: I was going to try to use gtk-pod but i will not know till i get it fixe
[12:34] <AMDXP> d
[12:34] <Nermal> huttan: :|
[12:34] <Nermal> you could always try pci=biosirq
[12:34] <Nermal> or off
[12:35] <Nermal> or rather acpi=off
[12:35] <lonetree> bojangles, are you still there?
[12:35] <Nermal> not pci=off :D
[12:35] <huttan> put that in the boot?
[12:35] <Whistler> catfox no such file
[12:35] <Nermal> end of the kernel line as before
[12:35] <orangerange> how can i get people's attention here, i wonder.
[12:35] <catfox> Whistler, you haven't added the repository then
[12:35] <snowblink> hi - are there any programs recommended for tracking server load?
[12:36] <huttan> still freezes at hotplug =(
[12:36] <huttan> gah
[12:36] <catfox> Whistler, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[12:36] <reka> orangerange: perhaps by asking an ubuntu-relevant question instead of asking us to look at your work. :P
[12:36] <mouarffr> reka, tks I m going to test net speed to these mirrors
[12:36] <FireW0lf^> dammit - stupid modem
[12:36] <pschulz01> AMDXP: gtk-pod seemed to work OK., but the iPod doesn't automount. It would bee cool if it worked the same way as my USB Memory Stick
[12:36] <FireW0lf^> erm - what display applet does ubuntu use? my gf has just installed it and cant seem to get a res better than 800x600
[12:36] <Nermal> sure it freezes and not just waits ?
[12:36] <orangerange> reka, i'm at openoffice.org chatroom, but no one is responding
[12:36] <anildigital> screen resolution problem in Ubuntu
[12:36] <Nermal> pschulz01: you can get gtkpod to mount it on start uo
[12:36] <Nermal> providing you have the appropriate fstab line
[12:37] <Nermal> with a mountpoint and user as a mount option
[12:37] <AMDXP> pschulz01: my camera automounts with gnome
[12:37] <reka> !tell anildigital about fixres
[12:37] <sw> i have nat problem in Ubuntu
[12:37] <anildigital> screen resolution problem in Ubuntu
[12:37] <sw> nat problem in Ubuntu
[12:37] <orangerange> !tell orangerange  about fixres
[12:37] <apokryphos> orangerange: tell orangerange about fixres
[12:37] <bojangles> lonetree, yes  i am still around.
[12:37] <apokryphos> I think it's like that..
[12:38] <apokryphos> hm
[12:38] <Whistler> catfox http://pastebin.com/315489
[12:38] <reka> anildigital: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:38] <bojangles> lonetree, just working on other stuff
[12:38] <Whistler> heres my sources list
[12:38] <orangerange> !tell orangerange  about his life
[12:38] <reka> anildigital: keep it in the channel please
[12:38] <huttan> Nermal, where can I get older ubuntu images?
[12:38] <reka> anildigital: go to that site to fix your problem
[12:38] <huttan> maybe those dont have the same bug
[12:38] <lonetree> bojangles, ok, thanks anyway, will take your advice and try
[12:38] <orangerange> !tell orangerange  about ubuntu
[12:38] <lllmanulll> Hi there, I guess the xkeyboard-config depencies problem has already been discussed here ?
[12:38] <sw> nat problem in Ubuntu plsssssssssss
[12:38] <anildigital> my resolution get set to 640*480 everytime I reboot
[12:38] <Nermal> huttan: erm.. you on hoary atm ?
[12:39] <huttan> Nermal, yea
[12:39] <orangerange> !tell orangerange  about shuttleworth
[12:39] <reka> orangerange: /msg ubotu <term>
[12:39] <Nermal> I imagine you can get them off ubuntu.com
[12:39] <Nermal> !warty
[12:39] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Nermal
[12:39] <huttan> Nermal, what should I get ?
[12:39] <reka> anildigital: go to that site to fix your problem
[12:39] <bojangles> anildigital, try xorgcfg
[12:39] <Nermal> warty is the older one
[12:39] <Nermal> 5.04
[12:39] <Nermal> erm
[12:39] <anildigital>  my resolution get set to 640*480 everytime I reboot
[12:39] <Whistler> catfox so anything wrong there?
[12:39] <bojangles> anildigital, and make sure your monitor will support adequate freq..to get slightly higher pixelation
[12:39] <Nermal> or is it 5.01 ?
[12:39] <Nermal> hmm
[12:39] <huttan> 5.04
[12:39] <catfox> Whistler,  have you updated apt?
[12:40] <catfox> Whistler, apt-get update
[12:40] <huttan> is the one I have
[12:40] <anildigital> 5.04
[12:40] <bojangles> anildigital, also be aware that some things are limited by the driver...not the hardware.
[12:40] <Nermal> ah
[12:40] <Nermal> :)
[12:40] <Nermal> hoary == 5.10 ?
[12:40] <PDani> hi
[12:40] <Nermal> odd numbering scheme :|
[12:40] <sw> hey somebody can't halp me? pls I must routing Ubuntu
[12:40] <Whistler> catfox yep
[12:40] <Whistler> but still nothing
[12:41] <Nermal> sw: english please
[12:41] <mouarffr> arg the package gstreamer broke all sound on my box :(
[12:41] <PDani> i've some problem with the web interface of cupsys... when i try to login on the web interface, i get the following message: Administrative commands are disabled in the web interface for security reasons. Please use the GNOME CUPS manager (System > Administration > Printing).
[12:41] <sw> english :(
[12:41] <bojangles> anildigital, for example nividia sometimes uses the same chip on their $50 boards as well as their $7000 boards...but they will supply a better driver for the $7000 boards.
[12:41] <Nermal> PDani: and ?
[12:41] <catfox> Whistler, try using synaptic and search for lame
[12:41] <Nermal> PDani: it tells you what is wrong and what to do
[12:41] <bojangles> anildigital, so just remember sometimes it can be the driver not the hardware.
[12:41] <PDani> Nermal: i would like to login on the web interface, and i don't know how could i
[12:42] <Nermal> PDani: don;t use it
[12:42] <mouarffr> gstregister saved me :)
[12:42] <Nermal> it's disabled for security reasons
[12:42] <sw> How to make Internet Connection Sharing in Ubunutu?
[12:42] <Nermal> read the error message
[12:42] <Nermal> use the gnome cups interface
[12:42] <Nermal> sw: enabled ip forwarding
[12:42] <lllmanulll> Huh, hi everyone !
[12:42] <Whistler> catfox i found it
[12:42] <PDani> Nermal: i don't like the gnome way... actually, i don't use gnome
[12:42] <Nermal> PDani: oh..
[12:42] <sw> How?
[12:43] <lllmanulll> Anybody knows how to solve the xkeyboard-config depency problem ?
[12:43] <lllmanulll> Or am I the only one experiencing this ?
[12:43] <mouarffr> Someone already tried to use Skype on Ubuntu ?
[12:43] <sw> How do I enable ip forwarding?
[12:44] <mouarffr> I can run, see my contact
[12:44] <mouarffr> but that's all
[12:44] <sw> How do I enable ip forwarding?
[12:44] <Nermal> sw: stop repeating yourself
[12:44] <Nermal> and use google
[12:44] <sw> lol
[12:44] <Nermal> or look at the ubuntuguide
[12:45] <Nermal> lol indeed, fuckwit
[12:45] <Nermal> CoC! CoC! *wave wave*
[12:45] <sw> :)))
[12:45] <Nermal> 2 hours 45 minutes.. I lasted longer than usual :)
[12:45] <Nermal> n00b fill for today
[12:46] <mouarffr> ok, the debian package of skype seems to not be stable :)
[12:46] <mouarffr> it crashed when I receive a call
[12:46] <Whistler> how can i restart sound server?
[12:46] <Whistler> cause it hang up
[12:46] <Whistler> and plays same song
[12:47] <marcus__> hey
[12:48] <PDani> i found the solution: in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf, change the User lp line to User root...
[12:48] <marcus__> im looking for a media player that can play my downloaded movies
[12:48] <huttan> Anyone know where I can find older ubuntu versions?
[12:48] <marcus__> how the hell do i get it?
[12:48] <reka> Whistler: try 'killall esd'
[12:49] <marcus__> totem sucks so wat should i use
[12:49] <Minyun> can ubuntu be set up as a mail server? or that only enterprise ed?
[12:49] <mouarffr> marcus__, vlc ?
[12:50] <pschulz01> Minyun: Not sure how to do it with postfix (ubuntu default) but if you install
[12:50] <reka> marcus__: you need to install codecs for totem to play them.  or use a player that comes with it's own, such as vlc as suggested.
[12:50] <anildigital> how to log in Ubuntu as a root in gnome session
[12:50] <anildigital>  how to log in Ubuntu as a root in gnome session
[12:50] <reka> huttan: older version of the distro?
[12:50] <pschulz01> Minyun: exim.. the debian configure script is very easy and straight forward.
[12:50] <anildigital>  how to log in Ubuntu as a root in gnome session help!
[12:51] <anildigital> help!  how to log in Ubuntu as a root in gnome session
[12:51] <anildigital>  how to log in Ubuntu as a root in gnome session
[12:51] <reka> anildigital: STOP flooding.
[12:51] <anildigital> help me!  how to log in Ubuntu as a root in gnome session
[12:51] <anildigital> pls
[12:51] <anildigital> reka, pls answer
[12:51] <reka> anildigital: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RootSudo
[12:52] <anildigital> thanks
[12:52] <sw> me to
[12:52] <mouarffr> anildigital, this is not a good method to flood the chan :)
[12:52] <anildigital> : )
[12:52] <JayParadise> gksu
[12:53] <bojangles> Firetech, 800x600 should be all you will ever need...that is all i ever use for many years.
[12:53] <JayParadise> sudo makes konqueror usesless in some ways
[12:53] <bojangles> Firetech, if you go any higher...it takes more time to move the pixels around
[12:55] <axis> man
[12:55] <axis> lol
[12:55] <bojangles> Firetech, and if certain apps don't support 800x600...that is what apt-get remove is for
[12:55] <axis> how do you chmod access back to your home directory
[12:55] <axis> or chown
[12:55] <axis> i've tried everything
[12:55] <axis> lol
[12:55] <axis> sigh
[12:56] <axis> sudo chown axis /home/axis
[12:56] <axis> sudo chmod 700 /home/axis
[12:56] <axis> that's what i did, but that didn't help
[12:57] <axis> someone's got to know.. come on
[12:57] <chaps0063> is there anything out there that would allow me to synchronize with a windows share?
[12:57] <reka> chmod 777
[12:58] <ColonelKernel> chaps0063, smb-client
[12:58] <ColonelKernel> I have never tried it though
[12:58] <ColonelKernel> supposedly it works
[12:58] <sw> who much are 8mb in kb?
[12:58] <decaf_tekkede> sw: 8192
[12:58] <axis> reka: how do I add recursive
[12:58] <reka> axis: although mine seems to be 755
[12:58] <ColonelKernel> sw http://www.egret.net/kb__mb.htm
[12:59] <reka> axis: man chmod
[12:59] <axis> nm sa'll good
[12:59] <axis> thx
[12:59] <axis> exit
[12:59] <orangerange> hello, a question regarding saving oo Writer files: I have put some small clip art stuff into my file. Will it be saved inside the file?
[12:59] <axis> but
[12:59] <axis> i wanted 700 00 to the others oh well
[12:59] <McYoda> Ah, I got the annoying /images problem solved. There was an alias by default in httpd.conf, I had always just ignored it :-)
[12:59] <anildigital> is there kde in Ubunt?
[01:00] <anildigital>  is there kde in Ubuntu?
[01:00] <McYoda> Yes, it is called Kubuntu
[01:00] <anildigital> I hav ubuntu only
[01:00] <McYoda> see http://www.kubuntu.org/
[01:00] <anildigital> how to install KDE
[01:01] <pschulz01> Just downloaded 'TheLiveCD'! Includes live version of Ubuntu.. well done.
[01:01] <McYoda> Again, see http://www.kubuntu.org/ - download and install
[01:01] <decaf> anildigital: install kubuntu-desktop!
[01:03] <anildigital> which kernel is better 2.6.* or 2.4.*
[01:03] <anildigital> I think 2.6 is buggy
[01:03] <apokryphos> #kubuntu exists, too
[01:03] <orangerange> hello, if i give my windows os using colleagues an open office file, will they be able to convert it?
[01:04] <orangerange> hello, if i give my windows-using colleagues an open office file, will they be able to convert it?
[01:04] <HiddenWolf> anildigital, that opinion is not based on reality, it's been stable for ages.
[01:04] <HiddenWolf> orangerange, no, they won't
[01:04] <pippijn> hi all
[01:04] <McYoda> orangerange, they must have Ooo installed on their systems
[01:04] <concept10> orangerange, why dont you save the file as .doc
[01:04] <orangerange> HiddenWolf, really. Open office allows us to save files as MS office formats, but I lose some of the important formatting.
[01:05] <pippijn> I am looking for the command to remove one item from all rc.X
[01:05] <anildigital> there is no gcc in Ubuntu?
[01:05] <pschulz01> give them TheOpenCD as well...
[01:05] <pippijn> I know there is one but I forgot and can't find it anymore
[01:05] <bojangles> anildigital, well i have 2.6 running on ubuntu and 2.4 running on sarge....and to tell you the truth...i don't see much difference
[01:05] <orangerange> concept10, because i lose some of the important formatting.
[01:05] <concept10> orangerange, maybe save as PDF
[01:05] <ColonelKernel> anildigital, apt-get install build-essential
[01:05] <HiddenWolf> orangerange, and MS Office has no option to import OOO files
[01:05] <pschulz01> .. it has Ooo and Firefix.
[01:05] <orangerange> concept10, if i save as pdf, can they edit the pdf if they so choose?
[01:05] <bojangles> anildigital, i suppose it depends on if you have esoteric hardware that needs a newer kernel
[01:06] <concept10> Im not sure, anyone - can Office import PDFs?
[01:06] <catfox> concept10, i don't think it can edit them. only export
[01:06] <McYoda> anildigital, http://kerneltrap.org/node/5393
[01:06] <reka> afaik, no
[01:06] <axis> how do i save my xwindows configuration
[01:06] <concept10> orangerange, what type of formatting do you you lose when saving as .doc?
[01:07] <axis> i just install the ati-linux driver and it's saying "it's important to save your x-windows configuration file"
[01:07] <axis> where is that located
[01:07] <pippijn> anyone remembers?
[01:07] <Linux_Galore> oO 2.0 is supposed to have improved export features
[01:07] <orangerange> concept10, some table formatting. What I would like to have in the top of the column 2 goes to the bottom of column 1. In might be easier if you see the documents yourself. Would you like to see them?
[01:07] <bojangles> axis, it damn sure is
[01:07] <ColonelKernel> axis, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:08] <axis> how do i "save" it
[01:08] <bojangles> axis, you better make an extra copy just in case...and maybe keep it on a floppy
[01:08] <anildigital>  there is no gcc in Ubuntu?
[01:08] <axis> oh when it says that it just means "make a backup" ?? heah
[01:08] <anildigital> it gives package not installed
[01:08] <concept10> orangerange, I understand what you are talking about.  Do they have to edit the document?
[01:08] <reka> anildigital: ColonelKernel's told you.
[01:08] <anildigital> msg
[01:08] <pschulz01> anildigital: apt-get install build-essential
[01:09] <McYoda> anildigital, try some googling. http://kerneltrap.org/node/5393 <-- according to this, GCC can be installed to ubuntu
[01:09] <bojangles> axis, well i tell you ...everytime you replace the system it helps to have a floppy  of some key config files.
[01:09] <orangerange> concept10, well, i'd like them to make changes if they think it can be made any prettier.
[01:09] <Linux_Galore> axis: you dont save it you just copy it.  ie   cd  /etc/X11/  && cp  xorg.conf   xorg.conf-bak
[01:09] <pippijn> how do I remove one init.d item from all rc.X directories at once?
[01:09] <axis> yah ok
[01:09] <axis> i just didn't understand the wording, thx
[01:10] <mdeboer> pippijn: man update-rc.d
[01:10] <bojangles> axis, now you know linux is a moving target and changes the system nearly everyday.....so you may want to keep some vital config files separate from your daily installations.
[01:10] <pippijn> mdeboer: thanks that was the command
[01:10] <anildigital> what is apt-get?
[01:10] <concept10> orangerange, have you actually open the document in word after saving with OOo?
[01:10] <Linux_Galore> anildigital: system to update and install packages via a remote server
[01:10] <orangerange> concept10, no what i did was save the file as a doc. then i opened it in open office.
[01:10] <mdeboer> pippijn: if you forget these things, apropos is your friend
[01:10] <axis> man why dos the video card driver installation want ot know what mouse i'm using
[01:10] <axis> geez
[01:10] <pippijn> apropos
[01:11] <mdeboer> pippijn: apropos rc.d
[01:11] <pippijn> :D
[01:11] <pippijn> thanks that is great
[01:11] <pschulz01> anildigital: Synaptic pachage manage uses 'apt' under the hood.
[01:11] <orangerange> concept10, i don't have any msoffice apps on my computer.
[01:11] <Linux_Galore> axis: because X manages not just your screen but the mouse
[01:11] <axis> bojangles, : i just want to get 1 stable computer up. hopefully FREEBSD, then run my VMware off that..   and just have a backup paged of each os
[01:11] <concept10> orangerange, if you have word, send it to your co-workers and see if they loose anything.  I would do it for you but I hate booting into windows :)
[01:11] <Raptoid> slm.
[01:11] <anildigital> Ok I understood all things, now I wanna break my UBUNT CD
[01:11] <bojangles> axis, well that is an idea for some.
[01:12] <ColonelKernel> cd ..
[01:12] <axis> Linux_Galore, : whats the default /dev/mouse
[01:12] <reka> pippijn: if you want to set services, install rcconf
[01:12] <Linux_Galore> axis: the graphical display in Linux is actually portable in that you can send it from one machine to the other so what mouse you have is important
[01:12] <Linux_Galore> axis: yep
[01:12] <orangerange> concept10, okay. i'll just send them the file in word .doc format and the reliable pdf format.
[01:12] <orangerange> concept10, thanks for your ears.
[01:12] <orangerange> 8-)
[01:12] <bojangles> axis, but i have no idea what stable means....as linux has been in a state of flux for over 11years and no signs of that stopping
[01:12] <pippijn> reka: I will look at that
[01:12] <orangerange> how do we draw ears on our emoticons, anyway?
[01:13] <bojangles> axis, you will be replacing the system nearly everyday
[01:13] <concept10> orangerange, you should also suggest for them to install OOo
[01:13] <pippijn> hm that looks nice
[01:13] <Linux_Galore> :-/
[01:13] <axis> ntcs-m or n LOL
[01:13] <pippijn> :)
[01:13] <bojangles> axis, that is why the BSD people say linux is a moving target
[01:13] <axis> hahaha
[01:13] <Raptoid> /dev/hda5       /media/muzik  ntfs auto,users,umask=0,ro,nls=iso8859-9  0 0
[01:13] <scanwinder> i just installed bittorrent and bittorrent-gui in ubuntu........it hasent shown up on the menu and, from a shell, typing in bittorrent wont do anything.........what is the command to open it?
[01:13] <axis> are you saying my box will be rooted within a week
[01:13] <Raptoid> read and write and executable ?
[01:13] <concept10> it just kills me how much the world is dependent upon microsoft.
[01:13] <orangerange> concept10, i guess i could do that. whether they'll bother to, i doubt it. 8-)
[01:14] <axis> .. i'm hopefully going to use net or openbsd as my firewall/gateway .. and freeBSD as my server ..
[01:14] <orangerange> concept10, OOo stands for Open Office what?
[01:14] <pschulz01> scanwinder: have a look in the menu.
[01:14] <orangerange> what does the last o stand for?
[01:14] <Linux_Galore> Linux is way better today than it was years ago... I havent crashed my machine at work for ages....put it this way Windows 2000 crashed about every 3 days Linux crashes for me about every 6 months
[01:14] <kronz> org
[01:14] <concept10> .org
[01:14] <bojangles> axis, well you can enjoy the stability of BSD but only if you can stand the devil's insignia
[01:14] <orangerange> ages= 6 months     8-)
[01:14] <Raptoid> /dev/hda5       /media/muzik  ntfs auto,users,umask=0,ro,nls=iso8859-9  0 0    ---- read and write for ntfs ?
[01:14] <orangerange> concept10, gotcha
[01:15] <Raptoid> please example
[01:15] <bojangles> axis, i prefer to work with moving targets...they have some advantages that you would just not believe
[01:15] <Will_> You just lead em less, right?
[01:15] <Linux_Galore> when I started using Linux 5 years ago I could crash it easily.......then again I had windows 98 and I used to crash the same system 3-4 times a day lol
[01:15] <concept10> Linux_Galore, I havent seen linux crash, only applications.  I do have a OLD box that locks up sometimes, i think the motherboard is going into retirement soon
[01:15] <bojangles> axis, a lot of driver manufacturers just say fuck it ...we can't keep up so take all of our driver code for free and you fix it with your ever changing kernel
[01:16] <bojangles> axis, now this is a huge benefit of a moving target
[01:16] <axis> bojangles,  the daemon is in the logo spot on the front of my pc.. i think i can stand it .. (piano black sonata)
[01:16] <scanwinder> pschulz01: as i said, its not in the menu!
[01:16] <Linux_Galore> concept10: Im finding Linux gets a bit weird after being in use for about 3 years.....drivers go a bit goofy
[01:16] <axis> well i would enjoy the stability of freebsd as my host
[01:17] <axis> and love to use different workstations
[01:17] <axis> i'll end up with VMWARE ESX server hopefully
[01:17] <axis> and run rackmount every os
[01:17] <axis> teehee
[01:17] <Linux_Galore> FreeBSD is a trade of I found.....very stable but your begging for hardware support
[01:17] <axis> Linux_Galore, : i'm lucky .. my buddy got me into bsd long ago, this computer is made for it [=
[01:18] <bojangles> Linux_Galore, well if you want hardware support...play the linux game of moving target...drive the hardware people insane until they just hand over all their drivers for you to put in your ever changing kernel
[01:18] <axis> he's a genius .. and i happend to pickup a couple crumbs.. good enough to ditch win completely
[01:18] <Linux_Galore> axis: yeah Ive got a OBSD machine and getting my nvidia stuff working at a decent speed took me ages
[01:18] <axis> *well enough
[01:18] <axis> obsd has nice networking setup .. utils.. appz.. i think it's tight
[01:18] <axis> dunno bout gui on it though
[01:18] <axis> never tried [=
[01:19] <Linux_Galore> yeah I found OBSD is very easy to admin....updates are a total no brainer
[01:19] <concept10> I have an idea, people always say drivers are the biggest problem in linux. I say only buy products that linux supports well.  Everyone doesnt expect Mac OS X to support all hardware on the planet
[01:20] <axis> can adium be installed on ubunt
[01:20] <axis> u
[01:20] <axis> is there like a MACE eg. wine
[01:20] <Linux_Galore> concept10: actually the windows is good with hardware thing depends on what hardware your using too....try installing windows on a beefed up AMD64... it isnt a happy camper
[01:21] <axis> mac osx is based on which kernel.. eitherway it's linux .. correct? .. so .. has/can adium be ported?
[01:21] <Linux_Galore> also Linux is very mature on 64 bit machines Windows is still breaking it teeth
[01:21] <concept10> Linux_Galore, the only reason windows is good for hardware because people want to support the biggest platform.  If you made a PC mouse, you would ensure that it would work with the most popular operating systems
[01:22] <Linux_Galore> axis: no OSX is based on Darwin its a BSD kissing cousin to FreeBSD.....its totally different to Linux at the kernel level
[01:22] <axis> ha, interesting
[01:22] <axis> darwin eh
[01:22] <axis> LOL
[01:22] <axis> i love it
[01:22] <axis> hahahha
[01:22] <Linux_Galore> concept10: not always true there are now cpu's that are only specific to Linux...ie "no windows support"
[01:23] <concept10> I didnt say cpus, im talking about peripherals
[01:23] <Linux_Galore> concept10: like a linksys router...hmm or an ipod
[01:24] <Linux_Galore> concept10: both can run and do run Linux but not windows
[01:24] <concept10> Linux_Galore, you dont understand my friend.  I was talking about "peripherals" not CPUS!
[01:24] <Linux_Galore> those are peripherals
[01:24] <LasseL> i just got a ipod today, and it is streching the truth too long to say that it just worked
[01:25] <Linux_Galore> anything you plug into a machine is a peripheral
[01:25] <concept10> nevermind
[01:25] <Linux_Galore> LasseL:  try www.ipodlinux.com   hack you ipod and dual boot Linux and play music and games
[01:26] <LasseL> i just have linux
[01:26] <LasseL> my windows partition crashed
[01:26] <Linux_Galore> someone is porting doom to the ipod running Linux
[01:26] <LasseL> didn't miss it (yet)
[01:26] <Davey> Linux_Galore: the original I hope?
[01:26] <Linux_Galore> well my last windows isntall corrupted about 4 years ago I ran Linux for a few months then said bugger it I need the space and formatted the windows partition
[01:27] <Linux_Galore> Davey: yep
[01:27] <shawarma> My gaim doesn't go into the foreground when someone writes to me... Is this a known issue or am I the only one?
[01:27] <LasseL> Linux_Galore, I want my ipod to work WITH linux, I don't want it ON it
[01:27] <Davey> I still have a fully functional WinXP on a 160GB HDD and I won't reformat it till I get a new 160GB HDD to put all my crap on to :)
[01:28] <Davey> shawarma: its not an issue, its expected behaviour
[01:28] <Linux_Galore> LasseL: lol you get more features dude...... you even get a terminal to play with
[01:28] <shawarma> Davey: Oh, I've configured it to do so, but it still doesn't.
[01:28] <Davey> shawarma: its supposed to be more user friendly
[01:28] <Linux_Galore> LasseL: you can also play more file formats than a standard ipod
[01:28] <shawarma> Davey: What? How am I supposed to know that I have new messages?
[01:28] <Davey> shawarma: so Gnome says. But making that happen before they got the URGENT visual cue working was stupid
[01:29] <Davey> shawarma: I have a hacked libwnck which allows my panel to blink and thus show me new messages :D
[01:29] <Linux_Galore> LasseL: its also dual boot so you can swap back to a standard ipod
[01:29] <upoI2> I want to reinstall all the ubuntu base tool (like g++......) so that I can run kdevelop properly
[01:29] <shawarma> Davey: There's a conf option to make it jump to the foreground... Is that what they disabled?
[01:29] <shawarma> Davey: So that no matter if it's enabled or not, it doesn't do anything?
[01:29] <Linux_Galore> upoI2: remove them
[01:29] <Linux_Galore> upoI2: then install them again
[01:30] <ColonelKernel>  how do I turn off LVM/EVM management?
[01:30] <ColonelKernel>  im just using a couple of partitions and no raid/scsi stuff
[01:30] <upoI2> what's the name of the base files then?
[01:30] <upoI2> is there a big package?
[01:30] <ColonelKernel> standard /boot,/,swap setup
[01:30] <Linux_Galore> upoI2: for what
[01:30] <ColonelKernel> sort of
[01:30] <Linux_Galore> upoI2: just remove gcc
[01:30] <Davey> shawarma: see this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39776&highlight=GAIM
[01:31] <ColonelKernel> shwarma - mmm - I sure do miss that stuff
[01:31] <Davey> shawarma: yeah, Gnome basically stopped all applications being able to do that
[01:31] <ColonelKernel> thats like middle eastern carls jr
[01:31] <Linux_Galore> I usually like to have  / /home / /swap /var
[01:31] <ColonelKernel> you pay like 2 bucks and get a lb of roast lamb in a pita with all sorts 'o trimmings
[01:31] <shawarma> Davey: That must the stupidest thing they've done yet, and that's saying a lot!
[01:32] <Davey> shawarma: The real issue is a window taking your cursor focus when you get a message, so they fucked up and just make it not possible for a window to do anything :/
[01:32] <Linux_Galore> ColonelKernel: oooh yummy lots of hormone injected cheap lamb........bet you have massive man boobs
[01:32] <Davey> shawarma: I'm sure they'll get closer to that goal, but for now, that libwnck patch is great :D
[01:33] <ColonelKernel> Linux_Galore, lol - nah, thats what clenbuterol is for
[01:33] <Linux_Galore> ColonelKernel: hai look found cheap bra's on ebay
[01:33] <ShaneAu> How do I enable shell colours in Debian? (Eg. Green for executable files etc).
[01:34] <ColonelKernel> nah mon - quasi illegal asthma medications are much better - ask baseball players.
[01:34] <shawarma> Davey: Hey, it sends it to the foregound. Excellent.
[01:34] <shawarma> Davey: Sometimes the gnome folks are asshats.
[01:35] <shawarma> Davey: Seriously.
[01:35] <reka> ShaneAu: you mean straight console (i.e. without X)?
[01:35] <concept10> Davey, it is about keeping your focus not having apps pop in your face whilst you are working on something
[01:35] <ShaneAu> Yes
[01:35] <reka> ShaneAu: or gnome-terminal?
[01:35] <ShaneAu> Console sorry.
[01:35] <Linux_Galore> ColonelKernel: yeah get sus when you see baseball players with guts the big enough to feed a small village in afica being called sport profeesionals
[01:35] <shawarma> Davey: Thanks for your help!
[01:35] <Linux_Galore> grr
[01:35] <Linux_Galore> africa*
[01:36] <reka> ShaneAu: not certain, but try looking in ~/.bashrc
[01:37] <reka> i *think* console uses bash....
[01:37] <ShaneAu> hum
[01:38] <reka> Davey: me too actually...
[01:39] <ShaneAu> :( well, it is Debian actually, not Ubuntu, I joined the wrong channel, but asked regardless (I use Uuntu a lot at home)
[01:39] <ShaneAu> Ubuntu*
[01:39] <ShaneAu> Red hat has the colors defualt also
[01:40] <Linux_Galore> ShaneAu: http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/g/c/gca101/linux_howtos/bash_prompt.html
[01:40] <goroth> hello
[01:40] <ShaneAu> humm it was much simpler then that
[01:40] <ShaneAu> I've done it befor
[01:40] <ShaneAu> But forget the command
[01:41] <djp> anyone know if there is software to create photo-cd's under linux? i'm using the ubuntu hoary distro...
[01:41] <ShaneAu> It was short and sweet
[01:41] <FireW0lf> erm - what display applet does ubuntu use? my gf has just installed it and cant seem to get a res better than 800x600 (sorry - having real bad connection probs here with my ISP)
[01:42] <Linux_Galore> heres how to set the colours for different file types for the ls command -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/housekeeping/lscolors.html
[01:43] <reka> !tell FireW0lf about fixres
[01:43] <Linux_Galore> ShaneAu: that link is what your after the other one was wrong sorry
[01:44] <ShaneAu> alias ls='ls --color'  - That's the one! :D.
[01:44] <ShaneAu> Thanks Linux_Galore.
[01:44] <FireW0lf> reka: well, im not familiar with ubuntu, and my gf is new to linux, so i assumed she went for an "easy" distro - applets to deal with settings
[01:45] <reka> FireW0lf: again, i'm puzzled by your use of the word 'applets'. :)  but i can walk you through if you like.  do you have access to her machine?
[01:47] <Linux_Galore> trying to remember a firewall distro that has a really good ls -- colours setup
[01:52] <erudeye> hello
[01:52] <erudeye> can i watch my tv tuner on ubuntu?
[01:53] <HrdwrBoB> possibly
[01:53] <HrdwrBoB> most likely yes
[01:54] <erudeye> how?
[01:57] <erudeye> hello
[01:57] <erudeye> no one here?
[01:57] <anacron> erudeye: check out what apt-cache search tv says
[01:58] <domster> mythTV?
[01:58] <anacron> maybe all guru's have coffeebreak now
[01:58] <domster> as a guess anyway
[01:58] <lonetree> anyone here encounter time and date issue on file?
[01:58] <lonetree> i mean with files
[01:58] <erudeye> apt-cache?
[01:59] <lonetree> erudeye, you toking to me?
[01:59] <domster> ooh. 'bttv'
[01:59] <anacron> erudeye: or just try that mythTV, install with sudo apt-get install mythtv, or something like that
[01:59] <lonetree> hello?
[01:59] <erudeye> hmmm
[01:59] <lonetree> anyone there?
[01:59] <anacron> no
[01:59] <domster> For almost all TV boards there is a great module included with the 2.4.x+ tree called BTTV (http://bytesex.org/bttv/). Most distrubtions include it as a loadable module that you can just modprobe or insmod.
[02:00] <anacron> bytesex.org :D haha
[02:00] <erudeye> hmm ok
[02:01] <anacron> what's insmod?
[02:01] <anacron> or what does it do
[02:01] <shawarma> anacron: It loads a driver into the kernel.
[02:01] <lonetree> i shall ask again
[02:01] <anacron> shawarma: okay
[02:01] <domster> no answer means no I guess lonetree
[02:02] <feugan3333> Does anyone know of a way to search packages for a specific file. E.g I'm looking for the gtk include files gtk/gtk.h but I not sure which package to install?
[02:02] <shawarma> lonetree: What do you mean time and date issues?
[02:02] <lonetree> anyone here has problem with file date and time problem, on copy paste
[02:02] <lonetree> ok
[02:02] <shawarma> lonetree: Could you be a bit more specific as to what the problem is?
[02:03] <lonetree> shawarama, I just notice this recently, I copied a folder with files from my ubuntu and paste it on a network folder
[02:03] <Whistler> is it possible to install gtk?
[02:03] <Whistler> with apt-get
[02:03] <lonetree> then i notice the date and time changes
[02:03] <domster> Whistler, certainly
[02:03] <lonetree> the files on the new location changes to 1980 01 01 Tues 0800hr
[02:03] <shawarma> lonetree: A network folder? What kind?
[02:04] <lonetree> any kind
[02:04] <Whistler> domster how its called?
[02:04] <domster> apt-get install libgtk
[02:04] <shawarma> lonetree: For example...
[02:04] <lonetree> it could be a windows shared folder
[02:04] <lonetree> it could be a linux shared folder
[02:04] <lonetree> i.e via samba
[02:04] <Whistler> E: Couldn't find package libgtk
[02:04] <shawarma> lonetree: Good. That was what I was looking for. There's other kinds of remote folders, you see.
[02:04] <feugan3333> domster: do you know which package gtk/gtk.h comes from?
[02:05] <lonetree> like?
[02:05] <shawarma> feugan3333: libgtk2.0-dev, probably.
[02:05] <shawarma> lonetree: sftp
[02:05] <lonetree> sorry?
[02:05] <cion> hey guys I want to buy a new PC, but I'd like to check what is the best hrdware supported by ubuntu, is there any info arrund?
[02:05] <domster> feugan3333: yeah, it'd be the -dev if you want the headers
[02:05] <HrdwrBoB> cion: I can give you a few recommendations if you like
[02:05] <shawarma> lonetree: sftp is a kind of ftp through an SSH tunnel. The gnome vfs system allows you to access it as a folder.
[02:05] <cion> yeah thx
[02:05] <HrdwrBoB> cion: most 'normal' hardware is fine
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> what do you want?
[02:06] <feugan3333> Thanks
[02:06] <cion> likw what?
[02:06] <Whistler> libgtk2.0-dev so i should use this for creating c programs with gui?
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> I would recommend an athlon64 based machine with an nvidia card
[02:06] <domster> Whistler, you could. 'should' is up to you
[02:06] <lonetree> i dun really get it shawrma
[02:06] <shawarma> Whistler: Possibly.
[02:06] <cion> what is normal hardware?
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> cion: disks/motherboards etc
[02:06] <hindley> WHOIS hindley
[02:07] <lonetree> are you trying to tell me to use sftp instead of samba?
[02:07] <Whistler> ok thx ill try
[02:07] <Whistler> =] 
[02:07] <cion> proc and vid card?
[02:07] <domster> cion: stay away from cheap modems and ATI. pretty much everything else works great.
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> cion: yeah
[02:07] <shawarma> lonetree: I was just pointing out that saying "a remote folder is giving me problems" is not sufficient for anyone to answer your queston. There's different kinds of remote folders and definietely different kinds of "problems" to be experienced. Details, my friend, details. The more details you provide, the more likely you are to get a good answer.
[02:07] <cion> athlon?
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> athlon64
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> and an nvidia graphics card
[02:08] <cion> ok
[02:08] <cion> i need t work with audio too
[02:08] <lonetree> ok isee
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> what sort of audio?
[02:08] <shawarma> lonetree: I'm not telling you to use sftp.
[02:08] <lonetree> well, my set up is just a simple network
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> the envy series of cards is highly recommended by a friend of mine
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> envy24 will do 24/96
[02:08] <cion> no very hard work, just import, encode and make cd's
[02:08] <lonetree> you noe? the workgroup network
[02:08] <domster> cion: onboard audio will almost definatly work for new hardware
[02:09] <HrdwrBoB> oh, well then I'd recommend a soundblaster card of almost any time
[02:09] <lonetree> i get what you mean shawrma
[02:09] <shawarma> lonetree: My network is also simple. It just doesn't use samba.
[02:09] <HrdwrBoB> domster: though without hardware mixing and occasional problems
[02:09] <lonetree> u din said clearly just now
[02:09] <cion> need something more heavey on audio like creative
[02:09] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[02:09] <HrdwrBoB> they all work
[02:09] <cion> is it welle supported by ubuntu?
[02:09] <domster> true HrdwrBoB
[02:09] <shawarma> lonetree: Good. Well, I haven't had any problems with samba like the one you're talking about, but I haven't really used it either..
[02:09] <lonetree> I use samba because i have windows system in it
[02:09] <cion> ok
[02:09] <HrdwrBoB> cion: yes
[02:09] <HrdwrBoB> cion: creative have a fairly good open source driver
[02:10] <lonetree> if you dun mind, you could probably try it
[02:10] <cion> sorry my english is poor, what does fairly means?
[02:10] <HrdwrBoB> cion: reasonable
[02:10] <HrdwrBoB> reasonably
[02:10] <HrdwrBoB> of acceptable quality
[02:10] <cion> ok
[02:10] <cion> ok thx man
[02:10] <HrdwrBoB> no problem :)
[02:10] <cion> c'ya
[02:11] <lonetree> anyone else has this problem?
[02:11] <abe> does anyone know how to get the usb ports to read the flash drives?
[02:12] <shawarma> lonetree: The date here looks just fine.
[02:12] <lonetree> did you copy and paste it to the network shared folder?
[02:12] <hindley> abe: usb flash drives should "just work" (tm)
[02:12] <shawarma> lonetree: Yes.
[02:12] <lonetree> hmmmm
[02:13] <lonetree> well i have this problem on all my linux system
[02:13] <abe> but it doesnt, so i'm having abit of a problem
[02:13] <lonetree> fedora core, suse 9.0 and ubuntu
[02:13] <lonetree> did you do any settings to samba?
[02:13] <hindley> abe: go on, what are you trying?  ubuntu should automount and put on your desktop
[02:13] <shawarma> lonetree: No.
[02:13] <lonetree> shawarma
[02:14] <hindley> have you tried "lsusb"?
[02:14] <lonetree> did you use time server to sync your time?
[02:14] <abe> nothin appears on the desktop
[02:14] <shawarma> lonetree: Yes.
[02:14] <lonetree> ok
[02:14] <shawarma> abe: You ARE running Gnome, right?
[02:14] <lonetree> where did you copy and paste your file to?
[02:14] <shawarma> lonetree: Some share on some server.
[02:15] <lonetree> thats weird here
[02:15] <shawarma> shawarma: More specifically my home dir on a Debian file server.
[02:15] <abe> yes...
[02:15] <hindley> abe: try typing lsusb in a terminal to verify that the kernel has identified your hardware
[02:15] <lonetree> hmmmmm
[02:15] <shawarma> abe: Even better: try running dmesg in a term. At the very end, it should say something about a usb device being plugged in, and finding partitions... That sort of thing.
[02:16] <domster> dmesg | tail     --less scrolling!
[02:16] <shawarma> dmesg | tail -n 25
[02:16] <lonetree> shawarma: do you use nautilus to view?
[02:16] <shawarma> lonetree: Yes.
[02:16] <abe> it shows up when i type lsusb
[02:16] <abe> but still cant view anythin on it
[02:16] <lonetree> and you dun have this problem
[02:17] <lonetree> hmmmm
[02:17] <shawarma> abe: Can you check if gnome-volume-manager is running?
[02:17] <domster> abe - is it fat formatted?
[02:17] <domster> or ntfs - windows xp has a habit of doing that to flash disks
[02:17] <lonetree> the other time i tried copying files from ubuntu to a fedora shared folder, the date time changes
[02:17] <abe> where do i find gnome volume manager?
[02:17] <lonetree> and to windows shared folder, it changes too
[02:17] <shawarma> abe: ps aux | grep volume
[02:18] <lonetree> i'll be back in a few minutes shawarma
[02:18] <abe> and then after i typed ps aux
[02:19] <abe> ....
[02:20] <anacron> how can i make so that no-ip tool start's up with my ubuntu?
[02:20] <domster> check out 'boot' under settings
[02:21] <domster> the third tab along (iirc) lets you easily set start up programs
[02:22] <anacron> domster: thanks a lot
[02:23] <sw> how to install dcgui on my ubuntu?
[02:25] <sw> how to install dc++ on my ubuntu?
[02:26] <highvoltage> echo 16i[q] sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx] sbA0D4D465452snlb xq | dc
[02:26] <sw> ?
[02:29] <domster> highvoltage: lol
[02:30] <anacron> is there a dc++ for linux?
[02:30] <anacron> i think you'll have to use something other client
[02:31] <sw> dcqui
[02:31] <sw> but how to install it , and where to get him?
[02:32] <[Spooky] > "sudo apt-get install dcgui" ?
[02:33] <sw> get it :)
[02:33] <anacron> dctc looks interesting, text based client :)
[02:33] <sinferno> hey, has anyone gotten final fantasy xi (online) working with cedega?
[02:34] <sinferno> or wine
[02:34] <sinferno> or anything
[02:40] <Sweetshark> Hi guys! I jsut installed ubuntu and am rather happy with it. However I miss the runlevel editor from gnome-system-tools - is there a reason for this?
[02:41] <jean-jacques> hello i need some heko to set up a printer
[02:41] <jean-jacques> help
[02:42] <jean-jacques> it's a network printer, and i just have its ip adress
[02:42] <monteiro> when i write dvds in k3b the buffer don't get occupied, and the velocity instead of 8x passes to 1x, anyone knows how to resolve this problem?
[02:43] <Dan_C> Hey,
[02:43] <Dan_C> I just got ubuntu CD's through, and i'm having a display issue with the livecd...
[02:44] <Dan_C> My laptop res is 1024x768 on windows, but the best ubuntu seems to want to give me is 640x480
[02:45] <JDigital`> Uh-oh! I think I broke mplayer.
[02:45] <JDigital`> I had a file playing in mplayer with the window set to "on top" and then I pushed ctrl-alt-left to go to another screen
[02:46] <JDigital`> When I come back, mplayer is playing nothing but bluescreen
[02:46] <JDigital`> mplayer continues to play bluescreen now for any file
[02:46] <lonetree> shawarma
[02:46] <lonetree> are you there?
[02:46] <Drey> :O
[02:46] <Drey> hi
[02:46] <chrissturm> JDigital`, log out, hit ctrl backspace, log in again
[02:46] <JDigital`> ok
[02:47] <lonetree> hi occy
[02:47] <Drey> i was wondering some loverly person could lend me some time
[02:47] <soulfly> hi. I must run "xmodmap" with a few parameters to get my mouse button working correclty.  where is the correct place to put such settings in the x server startup sequence?
[02:48] <mouarffr> re all Just a question about the repositories : Synergy is 1.0.14 on Ubuntu and it's 1.2 on my Debian Sarge. What is the good repository to have the same version ? or How to browse the file version ?
[02:49] <ValheruLord> hi all
[02:49] <ValheruLord> when i try to umount an fs it says it is busy
[02:49] <ValheruLord> how can i umount it
[02:49] <Drey> so the problem is i decided to try ubuntu using a live CD and it all runs happy, except the internet i read around the forum and found out that this is because of the rt2500 drivery thing i was just wondering if i follow the same instructions to make it work or if there is no point trying
[02:50] <gyaresu> ValheruLord, what type of fs?
[02:50] <soulfly> ValheruLord: user the "fuser" command to see which process are using the resource
[02:50] <mouarffr> ValheruLord, just be sure that you don't have any shell on a monted directory
[02:50] <|rockinnerd|> ValheruLord, umount -f /mount/point
[02:50] <|rockinnerd|> but u may lose data doing so
[02:50] <erudeye> where i can find tutorial about "apt" command?
[02:50] <soulfly> ValheruLord: "fuser -k" can kill the processes for you
[02:50] <[2] BoxingFiend> !apt
[02:50] <ubotu> well, apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[02:51] <Scrambler> hello
[02:52] <Dan_C> anyone got a clue about the low-res display issue?
[02:52] <|rockinnerd|> yay! i'm converting from slack back to ubuntu
[02:54] <mouarffr> Dan_C, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:54] <Sweetshark> Dan_C: The live-CD is propably just consevative. On a HD-install it would be fixable by "encouraging" some config-files ...
[02:55] <Dan_C> yeah, but i'd like to be able to test it properly before i potentially waste time installing it when it won't work. :)
[02:55] <Sweetshark> Dan_C: Whats you gfx-card/chip?
[02:55] <black-whisp> how do you use ftp with terminal?
[02:56] <[2] BoxingFiend> black: ftp username@ftp.site
[02:56] <soulfly> is "X still broken" for breezy in the topic still valid?
[02:56] <Sweetshark> black-whisp: "man ftp" will tell you. Or use wget/lynx whatever ...
[02:56] <black-whisp> thx.:D
[02:57] <ColonelKernel> ok theres a bunch of modules loaded and i'd like to keep them from doing so. I can't tell where these are loaded from, it isnt /etc/modules though - can anyone give me a clue?
[02:57] <Dan_C> Sweetshark : it's an intel onboard thing, it's crap... but it works :)
[02:57] <ColonelKernel> just a bunch of unused modules
[02:57] <ColonelKernel> im not sure what the module loading process really is in ubuntu
[02:58] <DanielC> Hello. How can I configure my floppy drive? Is there a reference I should read?
[02:59] <[2] BoxingFiend> colonel: what module you have in mind you want to remove from boot
[02:59] <Drey> :/
[02:59] <Sweetshark> Dan_C: intel810? Well, thats pretty well supported by linux and Xorg. No garantuees though for it to be configured out of the box by ubuntu ...
[03:00] <mouarffr> Dan_C, I've just installed my box with and intel integrated card
[03:00] <ram_einstein> how do you activate IrDA?
[03:00] <Will_> I never had problems with my 810
[03:00] <mouarffr> the default config was 640*480
[03:01] <Sweetshark> Dan_C: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27029
[03:01] <chrissturm> 810 is very well supported, probably because intel submitted their drivers to xorg in source form
[03:02] <mouarffr> Dan_C,  after setting up the HorizSync and VertRefresh it works
[03:02] <chrissturm> highvoltage, i always use gmail accounts for these kinds of suicide
[03:02] <Sweetshark> highvoltage: Hey, there is gmane and RSS for that ....
[03:02] <Dan_C> mouarffr: how would I go about doing that?
[03:03] <mouarffr> Dan_C, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto  read the section about the screen setup
[03:03] <ram_einstein> how do you activate IrDA here?
[03:04] <ram_einstein> or even find out if the laptop is bluetooth enabled?
[03:04] <Drey> no one have any clue about the rt2500 thing using live CDs?
[03:05] <highvoltage> Sweetshark: gmane?
[03:05] <mouarffr> I have a version pb with synergy.. in the Universe section there is synergy 1.0.14 and synergy 1.2.2 ... But I can only install the 1.0.14 version ...
[03:07] <Sweetshark> highvoltage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmane <- Allows reading mail via RSS, Web or NNTP. Much more convienient than a "real" subscribe ...
[03:07] <Drakend> hello to all guys
[03:07] <highvoltage> Sweetshark: sweet. thanks, i'll check it out.
[03:07] <Drakend> I'm a total newbie to the distro
[03:07] <Drakend> and I have some questions
[03:08] <Drakend> first of all the root password: it wasn't asked during installation
[03:08] <Drakend> is this normal?
[03:08] <black-whisp> Drakend yes. :D
[03:08] <Drakend> ehehe lol
[03:08] <Drakend> and what is it?!?
[03:08] <black-whisp> you can use sudo instead.. :) the just use you normal user password
[03:09] <|rockinnerd|> well, here i go! im gonna (re) install ubuntu...
[03:09] <[2] BoxingFiend> !sudo
[03:09] <ubotu> rumour has it, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:09] <Drakend> is sudo that program to execute programs with the priviliges of other user?
[03:09] <Sweetshark> Drakend: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[03:09] <Drakend> :)
[03:09] <black-whisp> or you could use: sudo passwd i think
[03:09] <black-whisp> to create a root password.
[03:10] <Drakend> ahh ok... anyway ubuntu is really nice
[03:10] <Drakend> it runs well on a p3 1 ghz
[03:11] <Sweetshark> it runs . . on a K6-200Mhz with 64MB RAM
[03:11] <Sweetshark> ;-)
[03:11] <Drakend> with all the options?!?
[03:12] <Sweetshark> Without Openoffice - it doesnt fit on the 1.5GB HDD.
[03:12] <pluffsy> hello
[03:12] <Drakend> oh my god, I love linux
[03:13] <golan77> i'm trying to use qemu to try ubuntu 5.04 on my debian... I have a problem, could not boot an hd image just created... any help?
[03:13] <Sweetshark> But otherwise - yes, it runs. Awfully slow though ... I will either get some old EDO-RAM or just use twm on that machine ...
[03:14] <pluffsy> Is ubuntu any good for servers? I'm about to switch to ubuntu as my desktop OS and I was wondering if I for simplicity should switch my server over to ubuntu too.
[03:14] <Sweetshark> pluffsy: Where are you switching from?
[03:15] <to|m> where do I change icons of filetypes in gnome?
[03:15] <nilsl> Where do I find a working DC-client for Ubuntu?
[03:15] <pluffsy> Sweetshark: From Yellow Dog Linux. It's a Macintosh G3 (PPC) server.
[03:17] <Sweetshark> pluffsy: Sorry, cant help you with PPC Distros. But ubuntu as a server is pretty much just debian anyway, isnt it? (Im pretty new to ubuntu too ...)
[03:17] <sinferno> ahhhh. does anyone have final fantasy online running in linux???
[03:17] <sinferno> i cant get cedega to run it i guess im shit outa luck :\
[03:18] <pluffsy> Sweetshark: Yellow Dog is based on Fedora if that makes a difference for you?
[03:18] <sinferno> they say they support it but, i havent seen one person get it to run
[03:18] <sinferno> thats lame
[03:18] <Sam3773> Can anyone tell me what version of GRUB Ubuntu 5.04 uses? :)
[03:18] <black-whisp> sinferno try #cedega
[03:18] <black-whisp> ask if the guys in there know something. :)
[03:18] <sinferno> black-whisp, on this server?
[03:19] <black-whisp> yup
[03:19] <sinferno> black-whisp, thanks great idea lol
[03:19] <black-whisp> hehe.:)
[03:20] <nikkia> Sam3773: 0.95
[03:20] <Sweetshark> pluffsy: Just from the "gutfeeling" I would prefer ubuntu/debian over yellowdog/fedora ...
[03:20] <pluffsy> Sweetshark: That's my gutfeeling too. So I'll guess I'll go with that :)
[03:20] <Sam3773> Hmm same as Debian then, cheers :)
[03:21] <Scrambler> how's that for a "gut feeling?" ;-)
[03:21] <nikkia> Sam3773: iirc, 0.95 is the latest anyway
[03:21] <black-whisp> hehe.. ubuntu removed my ms addiction
[03:21] <nikkia> oh, i tell a lie, there's a 0.96 and 0.97
[03:22] <Sweetshark> pluffsy: I am gentoo guy usually. But Ubuntu is a really well done distro ....
[03:22] <Sam3773> Ahh cheers.. Im new to linux and had a few nice Gui GRUBs but on Fedora Core just a min ago it was command line based so im checking to see if this one has a GUi or not
[03:23] <Scrambler> Sam3773  what do you need a gui image in grub for?
[03:24] <Sam3773> Don't need one, just disliked the command one where i had to put kernel, then boot and all that..
[03:24] <Scrambler> Oh you mean a config tool for Grub?!
[03:25] <Dan_C> works now :D
[03:25] <Dan_C> thanks guys
[03:25] <Sweetshark> Sam3773: Ubuntus gnome-system-tools comes with a grub configurator IIRC ...
[03:25] <Sam3773> Ah i see now.. *Very new*.. Anywho, Ubuntus on 65% downloaded so i should be installing any time soon :D
[03:26] <andrewcool> Is there a way to create a partion that will not erase all current data
[03:26] <andrewcool> and how :D
[03:26] <Scrambler> andrewcool several I suppose
[03:26] <Sweetshark> http://www.gnome.org/projects/gst/screenshots/boot.jpg <- looking for something like this?
[03:26] <nilsl> Direct Connect for ubuntu? Where? (sorry for repeat).
[03:27] <Sweetshark> andrewcool: yes, use "expert" mode on the install CD ...
[03:27] <andrewcool> *confushed* :D
[03:28] <snowblink> hi - are there any issues with running sarge packages on ubuntu?
[03:28] <IFRFLYR> Hi, I'm trying to add some ttfonts to gimp under ubuntu - any idea where they belong?
[03:28] <Scrambler> ubuntu rules... printer installation has never been so easy...
[03:28] <pawan> hi
[03:28] <Dan_C> I got another challange for you, now. :D
[03:28] <Dan_C> challenge*
[03:28] <pawan> i am trying to translate gnome-user-docs any advice
[03:28] <Sam3773> Nah what i ment before i i previously had SuSE and other GRUB linux's and when i first boot it comes up a list of Os's that i want to boot, Linux, windows ect.. But in Fedora Core 4 on first boot i got a command line telling me to put the kernel things in and i got confused :P Thats all i ment
[03:29] <Scrambler> andrewcool do you have an old suse distri, there's a tool for shrinking windows partition, too
[03:29] <Dan_C> Is there any way to install a wireless (usb) mouse, without reconfiguring x-org again?
[03:30] <Scrambler> Sam3773  oh I see. just hit enter :)
[03:30] <Scrambler> Dan_C edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf directly?!
[03:30] <Sam3773> ... Does that work? Ok restarting to find out
[03:30] <Dan_C> Scrambler: I don't think that's gonna be a wise plan for me :P
[03:31] <IFRFLYR> Anyone on the fonts for gimp question?
[03:31] <Dan_C> so i'd need to reconfigure x-org ?
[03:31] <andrewcool> 	But how do i create a partion before the install...but doesn't erase everything..
[03:32] <Sam3773> OK so i cant restart because of the download.. Im told Ubuntu's better anyway so i'll wait :)
[03:32] <pawan> yep
[03:32] <pawan> we are also using the sam
[03:32] <gyaresu> join #taslug
[03:32] <andrewcool> Can somebody help me :D
[03:33] <gyaresu> sorry typo.
[03:33] <gyaresu> join #taslug
[03:33] <andrewcool> :(
[03:33] <Scrambler> xorg needs a new mouse in the config, I guess
[03:33] <Scrambler> andrewcool what's wrong :-) you are not "cool" ;-)
[03:34] <otep> andrew: wanting to dual boot?
[03:34] <adamh> Does anyone know of a repository which contains qt4 packages?
[03:34] <Scrambler> andrewcool and be careful before you demolish your existing Windows partition
[03:34] <andrewcool> noo i don't want to demlish it
[03:34] <andrewcool> demolish it*
[03:34] <Scrambler> Ah!
[03:34] <andrewcool> i want to preserve it and create a new one :D
[03:34] <Scrambler> do you happen to have PartitionMagic?
[03:34] <andrewcool> no :(
[03:34] <Scrambler> hm, bad :)
[03:35] <Scrambler> it's not hard but to be sure you just have to know that sth can go wrong shrinking NTFS or FAT
[03:35] <andrewcool> *scared* :D
[03:35] <Scrambler> get a second HDD, they're not *that*expensive anymore, y'know? ;)
[03:36] <andrewcool> but i have a 250gb hard drive :D
[03:36] <ed1t> Scrambler wat hdd did u get? and for how much?
[03:36] <Scrambler> some maxtor 80 Gig drive to around 60,- Euros
[03:37] <andrewcool> 80gb hard drive is like 50 dollars :D
[03:37] <ed1t> how much is that in $?
[03:37] <otep> wooooooooow
[03:37] <ed1t> i got 120 GB for $120
[03:37] <Scrambler> check your local vendors..
[03:37] <Sam3773> I live in England and constantly get ripped off? :P
[03:37] <otep> wish i have one of those
[03:37] <Scrambler> and quit bragging about how little you've paid for yours...
[03:37] <andrewcool> i want to use my existing hard drive :D..lol
[03:38] <Scrambler> well go ahead and scrub Windows, ya don' need it! :-)
[03:38] <andrewcool> well my sister does... :(
[03:38] <feugan3333> no she doesn't
[03:38] <Scrambler> hrhr
[03:38] <snowblink> Sam3773, ebuyer?
[03:38] <nikkia> Sam3773: the going rate for 120GB drives these days is 45ish
[03:39] <Sam3773> Im sorry what?! I paid that for a 40gb from Pc World.. Bastards
[03:39] <nikkia> Sam3773: ergo, i deduce that we're not getting THAT ripped off on hard drives anymore
[03:39] <andrewcool> Plus my computer windows boot cds are on the hard drive partation
[03:39] <andrewcool> partation..
[03:39] <mouarffr> arg , Someone can help me with the version problem on hoary ??
[03:39] <h08817> how much space does the "server" install take
[03:40] <snowblink> Sam3773, PCWorld is where you go when you want something now and don't mind paying over the odds.
[03:40] <h08817> i hear the normal install is 1.2GB
[03:40] <Sam3773> haha yep, im gonna buy off ebuyer from now on
[03:40] <Scrambler> 160 Gig for 75  Euros
[03:40] <nikkia> Sam3773: i've stopped using ebuyer unless its something i can't find elsewhere, as have most of my friends...
[03:40] <nikkia> ebuyer has *no* customer support these days
[03:41] <Sam3773> Hmm can you recommened any other sites? :P
[03:41] <nikkia> if they mess up on an order, your only recorse is to email them, and hope someone reads it in the next 4-5 days...
[03:42] <Sam3773> Haha yeah that is pretty crap i spose
[03:42] <nikkia> Sam3773: i use cclonline.com mostly, but they don't have anywhere near as wide a selection as ebuyer (noone does, really) so you either have to be a bit less picky, or put up with ebuyer when absolutely necessary
[03:42] <h08817> hey
[03:42] <capi> whats a command I can use to tell what my current resolution is?
[03:42] <h08817> does anyone know the sizes difference of the installation?
[03:42] <andrewcool> Well guys i got to go :(
[03:42] <sw> I have a proble with movies in ubuntu, the don`t run
[03:42] <Blissex> capi: 'xdpyinfo'
[03:42] <Sam3773> Kk Cheers :)
[03:43] <andrewcool> Auf Wiedersehen!
[03:43] <andrewcool> Tschss!
[03:43] <otep> oi
[03:43] <otep> andrew
[03:43] <otep> why not go dual boot using 2 hds
[03:44] <nikkia> Sam3773: heh, the most expensive HDD that ccl have, is 270... for 500GB
[03:44] <andrewcool> i only have one hard drive!
[03:44] <andrewcool> and plus saving money up for a new grahpics card :D
[03:44] <nikkia> Sam3773: erm, most expensive regular IDE, i haven't looked in their SATA or SCSI sections :)
[03:44] <Sam3773> Oh only 500... haha who's gonna use 500gb :P
[03:44] <otep> buy another one
[03:44] <nikkia> Sam3773: i could, i have a total of nearly 400GB here, and about 3GB free :/
[03:45] <capi> I'm having trouble gettin Ubuntu to give me a 1152x864@75 resolution.  I've messed with xorg.conf, and reconfigured xserver-xorg? Anyone have some ideas?
[03:45] <andrewcool> :P
[03:45] <Sam3773> haha nice :D Im looking their site now, pretty damn cheap
[03:45] <nikkia> Sam3773:  they're not that cheap, they're just not pc world 'insane' prices :)
[03:46] <|rockinnerd|> yep it worked!
[03:46] <|rockinnerd|> yay!
[03:46] <nikkia> Sam3773: those are pretty average prices, you'll find similar from the other mail order placesw
[03:46] <|rockinnerd|> but, grub couldn't install :-(
[03:46] <mouarffr> who can explain me why in the directory there is two version of synergy and I can only install le older version ?
[03:46] <scifiordie> Hi, I'm fairly new to Linux tho a longtime fan...NEED info on how to find and install plugins for shockwave and java run environments please help....
[03:46] <jhaa> ubuntuguide.org
[03:46] <|rockinnerd|> scifiordie, there is NO shockwave plugin for linux, unless you use crossover office
[03:46] <sJaM> shockwave ?
[03:47] <Sam3773> Ooh ive been ripped off all my life :( Im actually gonna buy one from here :P Put my 40gb in another pc and buy a bigger one for me
[03:47] <scifiordie> crossover office is what where??? thanks
[03:47] <frostyfedora> hi all, i am new to ubuntu and have some buggy errors with firefox; cannot download plugins and security updates
[03:47] <Tsukasa> scifiordie: in a store near to you ;)
[03:47] <Tsukasa> scifiordie: it's a commercial product
[03:47] <Tsukasa> based on wine though :p
[03:48] <scifiordie> ok thank you what price range???
[03:48] <|rockinnerd|> scifiordie, u can download a trial from codeweavers.com
[03:48] <h08817> ok help real quick
[03:48] <|rockinnerd|> what
[03:48] <h08817> so i know what size of a hd i need
[03:49] <otep> then?
[03:49] <nalioths_dog> scifiordie: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[03:49] <scifiordie> will crossover also help with java???
[03:49] <h08817> what size is the "normal" and "server" install
[03:49] <Will_> Stop asking me!
[03:49] <nalioth> !firefox
[03:49] <ubotu> Firefox on warty is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[03:49] <Tsukasa> btw I think Shockwave is supported by the flash plugin
[03:49] <nalioth> frostyfedora: read above what ubotu said
[03:50] <|rockinnerd|> scifiordie, there is java for linux
[03:50] <Tsukasa> and java can be installed without a hassle (read ubuntuguide)
[03:50] <|rockinnerd|> h08817, hit F1 when u boot the ubuntu cd
[03:50] <h08817> ok thanks
[03:50] <frostyfedora> nalioth : cheers!
[03:50] <nalioth> Tsukasa: please dont recommend ubuntuguide
[03:51] <|rockinnerd|> why won't grub install on my mbr??
[03:51] <nalioth> scifiordie: read here please, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[03:51] <Tsukasa> nalioth: For someone who has absolutely NO clue it's better than meddling with the forums :)
[03:51] <nalioth> Tsukasa: the wiki has been simplified in recent days
[03:52] <djp> nalioth: i totally agree
[03:52] <Tsukasa> I think the wiki is still pretty messy though :x
[03:52] <Will_> I was pimping ubuntu guide, but the wiki is so much clearer. It explains
[03:52] <Will_> Tsukasa: So clean it up
[03:53] <Tsukasa> when I clean things up people always start complaining ;)
[03:53] <yahalom> anyone here have top panel like on mac os x?
[03:53] <nalioth> yahalom: that would be a "superkaramba" widget
[03:53] <Amaranth> yahalom: If you mean with the application menus up there no.
[03:53] <FireW0lf> my missus version of ubuntu has XF86 rather than xorg - she still cant get a display greater than 800x600 - does she just need to add a subsection Display into the Monitor section? (there is no Display subsection there at all, altho there are 2 Display subsections in Screen)
[03:54] <Amaranth> yahalom: not possible
[03:54] <yahalom> nalioth, i have the mac os x panel which is the superkaramba widget i think, no?
[03:54] <yahalom> Amaranth, no way, not even a desklet?
[03:54] <Amaranth> yahalom: nope
[03:54] <nalioth> yahalom: i dont know what ypu have installed
[03:54] <Amaranth> yahalom: there was a hack to make it work a long time ago
[03:54] <yahalom> Amaranth, so why did i see it on gnome-look.org?
[03:55] <Amaranth> plus it would only work for GTK apps
[03:55] <yahalom> Amaranth, he must have been using kde or soemthing
[03:55] <Amaranth> firefox wouldn't work, Qt apps wouldn't work, etc
[03:55] <Amaranth> link?
[03:55] <nalioth> yahalom: the pic i think you're seeing is a pure OSX screenie
[03:55] <zwnj> how i can install src packages with synaptik?  is it possible?
[03:55] <yahalom> Amaranth, one sec
[03:55] <Amaranth> I think I know what you're talking about, it's different.
[03:55] <nalioth> zwnj: to my knowledge, you can only use apt to install source pkgs from the terminal
[03:55] <yahalom> Amaranth, http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=13548
[03:56] <belhifet> hi, i just installed hoary and i cannot get it to connect to the internet
[03:56] <yahalom> nalioth, lol are u serious. the guys just posted a mac os x screenshot?
[03:57] <Amaranth> yahalom: That's not a real menu.
[03:57] <nalioth> yahalom: yes, it is a OSX desktop
[03:57] <IIIEars> add-deb "repo name" is one way no? - there must be a way to add zipped src eh?source
[03:57] <Amaranth> yahalom: He just has a screenshot of that text showing on the menu.
[03:57] <chaps0063> is there any way in evolution to automatically attach your signature?
[03:57] <Amaranth> nalioth: no, that's GNOME
[03:57] <belhifet> it is done through administrator tools > networking
[03:57] <IIIEars> erm src-deb
[03:57] <belhifet> right?
[03:57] <scifiordie> THank you all on java/shockwave
[03:57] <nalioth> Amaranth: for real?
[03:57] <|rockinnerd|> where can i get grub splash images?
[03:57] <Amaranth> yahalom, nalioth: You can tell it's faked because The GIMP and nautilus don't have the same menus.
[03:58] <nalioth> Amaranth: is he runnning rootless gnome on OSX, cuz that is a real OSX dock
[03:58] <Amaranth> nalioth: pfft, i could make one of those in Javascript
[03:58] <nalioth> Amaranth: well i dont think steve wants his icons out for our use
[03:59] <Amaranth> obviously not, it's copyright infringement
[03:59] <Amaranth> and the humility icons are so much nicer
[03:59] <nalioth> yahalom: there is a "dock" superkaramba widget, i believe
[03:59] <nalioth> zwnj: are you still here?
[03:59] <|rockinnerd|> look on kde-look.org @ the baghira theme, it has another dock program that i've used and it works pretty good
[04:00] <yahalom> nalioth, well u see the bottom panel he has? i got that. thats a widget. but u saying there's another one for the top?
[04:00] <yahalom> |rockinnerd|, what kind of dock program?
[04:00] <nalioth> yahalom: the top in that pic is (i believe) OSX
[04:00] <Amaranth> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=26448 <--ooh, shiny
[04:01] <Amaranth> nalioth, yahalom: The top panel is a real panel, but those menus are just an image he has on the panel. They aren't real.
[04:01] <nalioth> Amaranth: well, he could be running gnome rootless, but overall it's a fake
[04:02] <yahalom> Amaranth, oh i get it. like a background image?
[04:02] <Amaranth> nalioth: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=26448 OS X-ish but they fit in better with GNOME
[04:02] <Amaranth> yahalom: Exactly.
[04:02] <Amaranth> yahalom: That's what the 'drop shadow' on the panel is too, a background image.
[04:02] <yahalom> Amaranth, now thats seriously wannabe
[04:03] <Amaranth> yahalom: Yeah, I dunno why people always want to copy OS X's crappy UI.
[04:03] <nalioth> yahalom: i find it funny, cuz i've got 2 iBooks and havent used OSX since ubuntu was put on
[04:03] <yahalom> lol
[04:03] <snowblink> hi - what are the implications of running sarge packages on hoary?
[04:03] <yahalom> Amaranth, i like the linux look. i just want a really clean theme, any ideas?
[04:03] <nalioth> snowblink: you may break something
[04:04] <Amaranth> yahalom: clearlooks
[04:04] <yahalom> Amaranth, i havent found anything refreshing
[04:04] <nalioth> yahalom: so make one of your own, and upload it
[04:04] <yahalom> Amaranth, yeah thats true. too used though.
[04:04] <yahalom> nalioth, if only i knew what i mean by refreshing
[04:04] <snowblink> nalioth, looking at the ruby packages in particular
[04:04] <nalioth> yahalom: heh
[04:04] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/nautilus2.png <--clearlooks in action
[04:04] <Will_> I <3 OSX
[04:04] <nalioth> snowblink: you can't find the ruby pkgs you need on ubuntu repos?
[04:05] <Amaranth> snowblink: sarge and hoary are not binary compatible
[04:05] <HenkPoley> reinhardt is a clean theme (for KDE only AFAIK)
[04:05] <snowblink> Amaranth, was thinking about rebuilding from the source package from sarge
[04:05] <erchache> hi
[04:05] <Amaranth> snowblink: check for patches in the ubuntu version and port them over
[04:05] <Amaranth> snowblink: then you should be good
[04:05] <nalioth> snowblink: there are plenty of ruby pkgs available here
[04:05] <erchache> where is sign command from openssl? i tried to find it without sucess
[04:06] <snowblink> nalioth, rails 0.13.1 requires ruby 1.8.2 stable (hoary is 2 days out)
[04:06] <erchache> need opengpg?
[04:06] <nalioth> snowblink: ah
[04:06] <nalioth> snowblink: its better to build from source, then use pure debian debs
[04:06] <snowblink> nalioth, there is already a bug filed, but boss wants to go to 0.13.1 and can't wait...
[04:06] <Amaranth> snowblink: I've said it before and I'll say it again: If something that major changed from beta to stable (2 days) and didn't get at least a week of testing applied ruby has major release problems.
[04:07] <yahalom> Amaranth, that is actually really nice
[04:07] <Amaranth> nalioth: building from debian package is better than pure source
[04:07] <snowblink> Amaranth, thanks. No probs with the decision. Just need to build new packages for our servers.
[04:07] <nalioth> Amaranth: so ya diff the debian source?
[04:08] <Amaranth> nalioth: Nah, like I told snowblink: take the patches from the ubuntu version and port them to the debian version, then 'debuild binary'
[04:09] <Kyral> Whats the "code-freeze" for Breezy mean?
[04:09] <Amaranth> Kyral: No more changes unless they're security problems or crashers.
[04:09] <snowblink> Amaranth, I've checked the patches from hoary ruby to vanilla ruby and some are in already, and others are minor
[04:09] <anacaona> hello hello
[04:10] <anacaona> i'm having a problem with samba daemon on ubuntu
[04:10] <anacaona> it won't come up at boot and i have to start it manually
[04:10] <anacaona> i've tried putting in a link to the init script in rc2-5 but that doesn't work
[04:10] <Kyral> So after the code-freeze, it should be relatively stable?
[04:11] <chillywilly> my buddy wants to install the latest netatalk but it's only in breezy...what are his options?
[04:11] <guillem> How do I add devian menu to gnome menus? (hoary)
[04:12] <Kyral> guillem, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32220
[04:13] <mouarffr> Is Breezy 5.10 really unstable ?
[04:13] <highvoltage> mouarffr: yes.
[04:13] <guillem> Thank you, Kyral
[04:13] <kbrooks> mouarffr, no "breezy 5.10"
[04:13] <nalioth> mouarffr: right now it is
[04:13] <guillem> mouarffr, read the topic above...
[04:13] <kbrooks> breezy is unstable because X is broken.
[04:14] <erchache> where is sign command from openssl? i tried to find it without sucess
[04:14] <erchache> need opengpg?
[04:14] <monteiro> when i burn dvds my buffer doesnt get occupied, how i make it to full the buffer? it works ok with normal cds
[04:14] <mouarffr> arg some package are in hoary but not "installable"
[04:15] <mouarffr> how can I install these package  without running unstable version ?
[04:15] <Kyral> Backports :D
[04:15] <nalioth> mouarffr: try to install them from source
[04:16] <mouarffr> need newer libc6 version so unable to install
[04:16] <nalioth> mouarffr: apt-get can build you an ubuntu pkg from source
[04:16] <nalioth> mouarffr: ah, in that case.. .. ..
[04:16] <mouarffr> the .deb file can be downloaded from hoary directory
[04:17] <mouarffr> but the installable version is not this one :/
[04:17] <erchache> need to install opengpg to sign openssl certificates? sign command arent installed
[04:18] <jnc> er... popped in to say that Breezy is sort of fubar at the moment for amd64 users, this is due to a malfunctioning buildmachine for Ubuntu devs
[04:18] <hozer> Hi all.  I'm having major problems with Firefox seg faulting left and right.  Particularly when attempting to print.  Any ideas?  I'm using firefox 1.0.2 on Horay.
[04:18] <teferi> it happens
[04:18] <jnc> it is possible to make X11 work again you have to build your own packages for some gnome things
[04:18] <teferi> (in re breezy being broken)
[04:18] <mouarffr> synergy_1.0.14-1_i386.deb and synergy_1.2.2-1build1_i386.deb are in the same directory but I can't install the latest version
[04:18] <Kyral> jnc, Breezy is fubar for all Arches
[04:18] <jnc> Kyral: oh.  well i have X11 working again
[04:19] <jnc> it seems that the packages are not messed up, they are merely not built
[04:19] <teferi> I have X working fine on breezy...
[04:19] <teferi> :p
[04:19] <jnc> grab the dsc etc. file dpkg-source -x *.dsc cd $FOO  dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[04:19] <jnc> install, works great
[04:19] <jnc> need to change keyboard -> kbd though on the xorg conf
[04:19] <Kyral> someone should make a HOWTO on how to get Breezy working
[04:19] <Kyral> err
[04:19] <Kyral> X in Breezy :D
[04:20] <jnc> which arch are you on?
[04:20] <Kyral> x86
[04:20] <jnc> oh
[04:20] <Gourami> even though the topic says NOT to use Breezy ?
[04:20] <Kyral> but X is broken there as well
[04:20] <jnc> i was going to offer you my  packages if you were on amd64
[04:20] <Kyral> Gourami, we are the tinkerers
[04:20] <Kyral> We are the ones who break packages so you don't have to!
[04:20] <zooko> Greetings, people of #ubuntu!
[04:21] <chillywilly> what if you want a servre package from breezy? like netatalk?
[04:21] <jnc> xlibs has trouble configuring, for that you'd need to carefully clean out parts of /usr/X11/xkb
[04:21] <chillywilly> :)
[04:21] <zooko> I've recently upgraded to a newer breezy and my meta keys broke.
[04:21] <chillywilly> server too
[04:21] <Gourami> then arent you the same ppl that make the HOW TO'S ?
[04:21] <jnc> or edit the postins script
[04:21] <zooko> Ooh, you guys are already talking about xkb!  Great!
[04:21] <Kyral> chillywilly, Backports
[04:21] <chillywilly> I don't think it is in backports
[04:21] <zooko> I've read enough and experimented enough to understand that currently my meta key is not getting mapped via a keycode to any symbol.
[04:21] <Kyral> it is
[04:21] <jnc> zooko: heh heh
[04:21] <zooko> I ran xev and watched and saw that it was "unknown".
[04:21] <Kyral> aptS netatalk
[04:21] <Kyral> netatalk - AppleTalk user binaries
[04:21] <Kyral> netatalk-dev - AppleTalk library and development files
[04:22] <jnc> zooko: that is something i just ran into.  no idea what happened.  kbd driver behaves different, i'd guess
[04:22] <zooko> So my question is: what's the Ubuntu'ish way to make my windows keys -- 114, 115, 116 -- get mapped to LWIN, RWIN, and the MENU thing?
[04:22] <zooko> I looked in /etc/X11/xkb
[04:22] <Kyral> zooko, running GNOME?
[04:22] <jnc> zooko: there's a metacity option to flip that setting
[04:22] <zooko> I found a file named "xfree86" that has mappings from 114 to LWIN, etc.
[04:22] <jnc> it's not working in Breezy (what i'm running)
[04:22] <zooko> Kyral, jnc: I appreciate the offer, but I don't run Gnome or metacity.
[04:22] <jnc> oh
[04:22] <zooko> I would like to understand what part of the underlying X system has changed.
[04:22] <Kyral> what do you run then? KDE?
[04:22] <jnc> well you asked what the ubuntu way is
[04:22] <jnc> ;)
[04:23] <teferi> zooko: the x server package got modularized
[04:23] <teferi> zooko: now it's broken up into the core and various drivers
[04:23] <zooko> I don't run KDE or Gnome.  I just use Xorg, ratpoison, bash, screen, etc.
[04:23] <jnc> it went kaboom
[04:23] <chillywilly> Kyral: is that 2.0.3?
[04:23] <zooko> jnc: good point...
[04:23] <chillywilly> netatalk
[04:23] <Kyral> chillywilly, no clue
[04:23] <zwnj> nalioth: thanks :)
[04:23] <Kyral> all I knwo that it is in Backports :D
[04:23] <zooko> I sometimes think maybe I should go back to Debian.  Even though Ubuntu is better, the "official" Ubuntu way to do things is using Gnome  or KDE, so I often have difficulty finding people who are having the same problems I am having.  :-(
[04:25] <zooko> Hm.  The file /etc/X11/xkb/keycodes/xfree86 has the keycode mappings that I want...
[04:25] <zooko> Ah.  Well, I'm using xlibs 6.8.2-32, and the current available on in breezy is 6.8.2-42.
[04:26] <zooko> I guess I should either (a) hold my breath and upgrade to current breezy, or
[04:26] <Kyral> umm
[04:26] <Kyral> zooko
[04:26] <zooko> (b) live without metakeys for a while.  ;-)
[04:26] <Medrakil> i have one serial port.. what might it's device name be?
[04:26] <Will_> Don't upgrade to breezy!
[04:26] <Medrakil> in /dev, that is
[04:26] <Kyral> Don't upgrade X past 6.8.2-36!
[04:26] <zooko> Ha!  You guys keep pointing to the topic when I come in here and ask about breezy issues.
[04:26] <Will_> Because it is broken.
[04:26] <zooko> What is the IRC channel for people who have upgraded to Breezy then?  ;-)
[04:26] <teferi> oh yeah, the breezy xkb breakage. that *is* getting a little annoying
[04:26] <zooko> Works okay for me except for my meta keys.
[04:26] <teferi> but i can ride it out
[04:27] <zooko> Well, I like to contribute to open source projects, both by (detailed, helpful, polite) but reports, and by patches.
[04:27] <zooko> Maybe I could fix this config issue and thus help the Ubuntu hackers understand the issue.
[04:27] <zooko> More likely they already understand it.
[04:27] <zooko> It's possible they've even already fixed it, in newer versions of xlibs...
[04:27] <Will_> zooko: That would be #my_linux_does_not_work_and_will_not_work_till_they_release_it_on_stable
[04:27] <Kyral> lol
[04:28] <zooko> I see.  I guess it isn't good to have a bunch of people with little knowledge of the internals trying an unstable release, as the volume of bug reports will be high and the value of each bug report low.
[04:29] <zooko> I'll stop coming to channel #ubuntu with my breezy issues then.  :-)
[04:29] <Gourami> does anyone here use irssi ?
[04:29] <Xappe> Gourami: yes
[04:29] <Kyral> zooko, you can post in the Breezy Development forum on UbuntuForums
[04:29] <zooko> Kyral: thanks for the suggestion.
[04:29] <Gourami> zooko: make #Ubunut-Breezy
[04:29] <nalioth> Gourami: a couple folks use it
[04:29] <Sweetshark> Gourami: yes
[04:30] <chillywilly> no netatalk 2.0.3 in back ports
[04:30] <Gourami> lol ok not Ubunut but Ubuntu-Breezy
[04:30] <zooko> Is there a mailing list alternative to the UbuntuForums?
[04:32] <stuNNed> anyone use wpa_supplicant on a lappie?
[04:32] <ashok> my wifi button keeps glowing.. any solution  for this ?
[04:33] <Gourami> how do I close an existing query windiw with irssi anyone ?
[04:33] <teferi> stuNNed: yes
[04:33] <teferi> what's up?
[04:34] <teferi> (disclaimer: i'm only doing WEP with it because my driver is broken, WPA-wise...)
[04:34] <stuNNed> teferi: sometimes do you have to run 'dhclient ath0' because ubuntu's wpa_supplicant doesn't assign and ip fast enough?
[04:34] <Xappe> Gourami: /wc
[04:34] <nalioth> Gourami: at the bottom of said window type /wc
[04:34] <teferi> stuNNed: wpa_supplicant can call out to a dhcp client?
[04:34] <ashok> does anyone have a solution for my prob ?
[04:35] <teferi> stuNNed: my normal course of action is to wait for wpa_supplicant to do the crypto stuff and then run ifup ath0
[04:35] <Gourami> thanks Xappe ,nalioth
[04:35] <Gourami> window close... who wouldve guessed :)
[04:35] <stuNNed> teferi: mmmk, shouldn't the ifup ath0 be auto?
[04:35] <hozer> Anyone else having segmentation fault issues with Firefox on Horay?
[04:36] <teferi> stuNNed: this is how i've always done it
[04:36] <teferi> i don't care enough to make it smoother
[04:36] <stuNNed> teferi: i'd like open the lid on my sleeping laptop plug in the pcmcia card and wpa_supplicant does the rest, not you?
[04:37] <teferi> stuNNed: oh, indeed, but i don't care enough to make it so
[04:37] <teferi> i'm rather lazy
[04:37] <mikl> ack, the new gnome file-selector-menu is probably the most unfrindly POS ever...
[04:37] <stuNNed> teferi: lazy!=running ifup ath0 ;)
[04:38] <teferi> stuNNed: incidentially, are you using WPA or just WEP? because I couldn't get WPA working...
[04:38] <teferi> i ran into that problem where it'd associate, miss a beacon, drop the connection, and do it over and over and over
[04:38] <IIIEars> is amd althlon XP3400  bit or 64?
[04:38] <stuNNed> teferi: WPA and Open i'm using
[04:38] <zooko> Heh heh.  Yes, I think new version of Ubuntu breezy has changed the xkb config...
[04:39] <teferi> zooko: just a bit...
[04:39] <IIIEars> er 32 bit?
[04:39] <Sweetshark> mikl: well, its still better than the old one ...
[04:39] <stuNNed> teferi: did you try running wpa_supplicant in debug mode?  it is very useful.
[04:39] <mikl> Sweetshark: I wish they would use one like they do in KDE...
[04:39] <Gourami> ok last irssi question: How can I get irssi what seems to be a 800x600 res when run on tty
[04:39] <teferi> stuNNed: yes, not useful enough...it's a known problem which i don't think has been fixed
[04:39] <teferi> i should try the latest cvs and see if it's fixed there...oh well, maybe later
[04:40] <IIIEars> 32 bit isn't it? - saw a great deal on it. but i don't think it includes the no execute bit
[04:40] <Gourami> looking for full screen
[04:40] <stuNNed> teferi: haven't seen that here but have been having general problems with wireless at my uni, affects windows too though
[04:40] <Belutz> anyone can help with this http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/659 ?
[04:41] <Rockett17> anyone know if there is a way to stretch/make the icons bigger in KDE like you can in Gnome?
[04:42] <stuNNed> teferi: wpa_supplicant is coming along nicely though imho
[04:42] <teferi> stuNNed: well, i'm on wired ethernet here at work anyway, so it doesn't really matter right now :P
[04:42] <flyvholm> Does "kernel-package" cover over a version-specific name, or should I be able to find such a package e.g. by "aptitude install kernel-package"?
[04:42] <Sam3773> Hey, urm sort of involves Ubuntu :D Just downloaded the ISO, but Neros telling me i cant burn it onto DVD, need a CD.. I only have DVDs though, anyone know a way round this?
[04:42] <rem_> Rockett try ask in #kubuntu ...
[04:42] <Xappe> Sam3773: download the dvd :)
[04:42] <teferi> flyvholm: kernel-package is the set of tools for building kernels
[04:43] <stuNNed> teferi: i don't think wpa_supplicant handles the ip layer from what i'm hearing.
[04:43] <Sam3773> Im fine thanks, i spose i can install it onto the hard drive with Vmware.. Pretty sure i can :P
[04:43] <teferi> flyvholm: you want linux-{386,686,k7,whatever your cpu is}
[04:43] <teferi> which should pull in the latest kernel
[04:45] <flyvholm> I'm on AMD64 Hoary. I need make-kpkg and tried 'aptitude install kernel-package', but response was "No candidate version found for kernel package" :-|
[04:45] <teferi> oh.
[04:45] <teferi> um.
[04:45] <hybrid_goth> hello all
[04:45] <stuNNed> teferi: thanks for your input :)
[04:46] <teferi> i already have it installed and i'm on 386 anyway, so...
[04:46] <teferi> sorry
[04:47] <Woody4u> hi
[04:47] <gypsymauro> hi
[04:47] <flyvholm> Is it possible that the kernel-package simply isn't available for my kernel version?
[04:47] <Velcan> I'm using zenity (which is like xdialog), and I want the "cancel" button to kill the job that's feeding input to the zenity --progress process. Can anyone help?
[04:48] <gypsymauro> I'm trying to use vpnc under ubuntu 5.04 but it doesn't creates the new route, it seems to be connected (I c the tun0 device) but it does't add the new default route..any hint?
[04:48] <gypsymauro> the same configuration on debian sarge it works
[04:49] <anatole> hey, anyone could help, how to disconnect properly my ipod mini from linux?
[04:49] <jnk> gypsymauro, it works if you add the route yourself?
[04:49] <tritium> gypsymauro, you're using the included vpnc-connect script?
[04:49] <jnk> anatole, with eject I think
[04:50] <slept> flyvholm, kernel-package should be common to all arch, it should not depend on your kernel aswell , did you search via apt ?
[04:50] <pestilence> i installed some packages to try and get chinese characters to display properly in terminals, and now my konsole fonts are very ugly.  anybody know what i could do to fix this?  (i.e. what is the konsole font that is used  by default, and how do i get back to that?)
[04:50] <monteiro> when i trie to install something it says tcpd invalid argument, what is this?
[04:51] <anatole> jnk: but after that, ipod still tells not to disconnect it
[04:52] <anatole> is there anything wrong that could happen if i disconnect it despite that notice?
[04:52] <gypsymauro> tritium: yes I'm using that script
[04:52] <flyvholm> slept, I just did an 'aptitude install kernel-package' from a terminal. I also tried looking in the Synaptic Package Manager to see if I could find something...
[04:53] <black-whisp> whats the name of the dictornarieys for gaim?
[04:53] <gypsymauro> jnk: I can't know 'cause I'm on the same network at the moment
[04:53] <spot_> helllo, skype won't work correctly any idea'z..
[04:53] <tritium> gypsymauro, it works fine here
[04:53] <gypsymauro> tritium: did you recompiled something?
[04:54] <tritium> gypsymauro, no, just using the standard ubuntu package
[04:54] <gypsymauro> tritium: when I launch it vpnc-connect never ends...
[04:54] <gypsymauro> it starts tun0 but doesn't changes the route
[04:54] <slept> flyvholm, why do you want to create a kernel ? you can get the package from package.ubuntu.com
[04:55] <tritium> gypsymauro, check your script in /etc/vpnc.  Are you using default.conf, or did you setup a new one?
[04:55] <gypsymauro> a new one
[04:55] <gypsymauro> I've made a little gtk interface to vpn
[04:55] <flyvholm> slept, I need to apply a patch to make my Alps touchpad work
[04:56] <gypsymauro> on sarge it calls vpnc-connect and it works
[04:56] <gypsymauro> on ubuntu doesn't , even if I call vpnc-connect by hand
[04:56] <tritium> gypsymauro, first check "sudo vpnc-connect <scriptname>" from the command line
[04:56] <gypsymauro> tritium: in fact I'm trying that :)
[04:57] <gypsymauro> but the problem is that it doesn't add the new route
[04:57] <gypsymauro> the other strange thing is I can c
[04:57] <gypsymauro>  tun0 in /proc/net/dev
[04:57] <gypsymauro> but not in ifconfig
[04:58] <tritium> gypsymauro, make sure the file is correct.  I've found that even an extra space at the end of the line will cause trouble with vpnc
[04:58] <yahalom> hey guys can someone tell me how i can change the gnome logo in epiphany?
[04:58] <slept> flyvholm, maybe you can use module-assistant would be less work and time
[05:00] <gypsymauro> tritium: great!
[05:00] <IIIEars>  yahalom -  would a search for png files find it? - then just exchange/rename it?
[05:00] <gypsymauro> tritium: that was the problem
[05:00] <tritium> gypsymauro, excellent :)
[05:00] <gypsymauro> a f******************* space;)
[05:00] <teferi> tritium: hey, were you one of hte people interested in a little evo mail notifier thing?
[05:00] <yahalom> IIIEars, no idea what its called
[05:00] <lapo> hi
[05:00] <tritium> teferi, yeah, did you get it working?
[05:00] <teferi> tritium: yep :)
[05:00] <tritium> teferi, awesome!
[05:00] <teferi> lemme finish version 0.2 and I'll shoot you a copy
[05:01] <mridle> ouch
[05:01] <tritium> teferi, super.  Also, might I interested you in joining #ubuntu-motu to discuss it futher?
[05:01] <teferi> motu?
[05:01] <mridle> should have tried this # before trying out breezy
[05:01] <mridle> >:)
[05:01] <tritium> teferi, universe package maintainers
[05:01] <flyvholm> slept - mmm, module-assistant - I need to be filled in a little. Just installed Ubuntu something like 10 hours ago :-)
[05:01] <teferi> hah. this is a 50-line python hack, it's not worth packaging
[05:02] <tritium> teferi, oh, but it sounds good
[05:02] <teferi> fine, fine
[05:02] <tritium> :)
[05:02] <IIIEars> cat /media/cdrom > /home/my_home/A-New.iso - Should work shouldn't it?
[05:02] <shookuser1> where can I get a patch called               libdvdcss2??
[05:03] <Raskall-edge> shookuser1: do a "find" in your browser at www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:04] <jnk> IIIEars, /media/cdrom is a directory isn't it?
[05:04] <searcher`> IIIEars: a better idea would probably be: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=a-new.iso
[05:04] <IIIEars> shookuser1 - it was once upon a time on the marillat repository. - unfortuneatly it was removed prior to the patent vote in europe. - i had to google for it.
[05:04] <gypsymauro> tritium: interested in the gtk client?
[05:04] <IIIEars> searcher - would you mind if i called you guru? - grin
[05:05] <shookuser1> edge    ty!
[05:05] <gypsymauro> is just a layer over vpnc-connect but with tray icon
[05:05] <tritium> gypsymauro, sure.  Do you have a site for it?
[05:05] <gypsymauro> tritium: nope
[05:05] <IIIEars> Thank You guys
[05:05] <tritium> gypsymauro, do you intend to package it?
[05:05] <gypsymauro> tritium: nope I'm not a debian developer I can post you the tgz
[05:06] <tritium> gypsymauro, sure, thanks
[05:07] <IFRFLYR> Hi, is there a font management tool in ubuntu, something which allows me to add fonts to the system's font folder, or must I do it manually>?
[05:07] <gypsymauro> tritium: are u receiving the dcc?
[05:07] <tritium> gypsymauro, I got the request, but I can't receive behind the router
[05:07] <monteiro> i cannot install or remove any package, it says -> failed in buffer_read(fd) tcp invalid argument" anyone knows how to resolve this?
[05:08] <yahalom> IIIEars, thanx. i just removed it.
[05:08] <jnk> IFRFLYR, you just drag and drop the fonts to your ~/.fonts folder I think
[05:08] <tritium> gypsymauro, any way to post it somewhere?
[05:09] <gypsymauro> I'm looking tritium :)
[05:09] <tritium> gypsymauro, thanks
[05:09] <Medrakil> anyone know where i can find a java 1.4 .deb? i need it for lejos
[05:09] <Medrakil> sdk, that is
[05:09] <IIIEars> dd_rescue - feel the power of open source - nice tip. :)
[05:09] <tritium> !java
[05:09] <ubotu> rumour has it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin.
[05:09] <jnk> what's lejos?
[05:09] <Medrakil> java firmware for the lego RCX
[05:10] <Medrakil> you can program lego robots w/ a kind of java
[05:10] <IFRFLYR> jnk, I have no ~/.fonts directory (!)
[05:10] <jnk> IFRFLYR, create it
[05:10] <Medrakil> what sucks about it, though, is that it doesn't support java 1.5, you have to have 1.1-1.4
[05:10] <jnk> IFRFLYR, yes it sucks, but it's a huge improvement compared to the previous way of installing fonts :)
[05:11] <Medrakil> and the java 1.4 installer from sun didn't like me for some reason
[05:11] <IFRFLYR> Ah. jnk, however I have lots of fonts on my machine already; would this be a font folder only functioning on a per user basis? That *is* pretty cool if that's the case
[05:11] <jnk> Medrakil, with java-package you convert the Sun .bin to a .deb without problem, be it 1.4 or 1.5
[05:11] <tritium> Medrakil, try using java-package with the .bin
[05:11] <jnk> IFRFLYR, yes it's per user
[05:11] <stempien> I've recently installed ubuntu, all went OK..i got X's working and prompt for username..but after logging in there's just brown screen and no graphical environment like gnome
[05:11] <IFRFLYR> Coool-o jnk. Thanks
[05:11] <stempien> and gnome seems to be installed
[05:11] <Medrakil> jnk, tritium, thanks, i'll try that..
[05:12] <rem_> hey..i have a question: how can i print from the "eye of gnome" there is no print possibility ..?!
[05:12] <Medrakil> jnk, tritium, what would the command for that be?
[05:12] <jnk> rem_, it has just been added, it will be in the next ubuntu version
[05:12] <monteiro> i cannot install or remove any package, it says -> failed in buffer_read(fd) tcpd invalid argument", i tried removing all packages in archive bt it didn't work.
[05:12] <jnk> rem_, meenwhile, use another prog
[05:12] <IIIEars> stempian - i have seen that too - my guess is it happens periodically when i press enter two or three times after entering the paswword
[05:12] <Medrakil> i've installed java-package
[05:12] <tritium> Medrakil, first, install java-package
[05:13] <rem_> is there a way i can add it, or what other program could i use, have probs printing with gimp ..
[05:13] <tritium> Medrakil, see this:
[05:13] <jnk> Medrakil, read /usr/share/doc/java-package/README.Debian
[05:13] <stempien> IIIEars: so what to do ?
[05:13] <tritium> !java
[05:13] <ubotu> [java]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin.
[05:13] <IIIEars> stempian - likely an easier way but i usually reboot. - :/
[05:13] <rem_> ...i guess ill use openoffice or seomthing ...
[05:13] <stempien> IIIEars: but hmm i bet it won't start anyway
[05:13] <rem_> thanx anyway ...
[05:13] <jnk> stempien, it's systematic ?
[05:14] <stempien> i've rebooted once
[05:14] <stempien> and no changes
[05:14] <stempien> still brown screen
[05:14] <IFRFLYR> jnk: worked like a charm. Thanks!
[05:14] <MIK3MAN> tritium: heya, good to see your still here... I've got problems
[05:14] <IIIEars> (shrug - dunno i'll cross my fingers) - grin
[05:14] <tritium> MIK3MAN, I'n back, haven't been here the whole time ;)
[05:14] <IIIEars> 13 weeks with Ubuntu
[05:14] <MIK3MAN> I went to bed at 3am
[05:14] <jnk> stempien, something happens if you right-click in the brown?
[05:15] <stempien> nothing
[05:15] <tritium> MIK3MAN, so what's up?
[05:15] <stempien> but
[05:15] <MIK3MAN> same error, looks like something with the grafix
[05:15] <stempien> i can start emergency xterm
[05:15] <MIK3MAN> tritium: I will copy and paste in a PM for you ok?
[05:15] <jnk> rem_, gthumb maybe ?
[05:15] <tritium> MIK3MAN, ok
[05:15] <jnk> stempien, how do you do that?
[05:16] <stempien> there's an option..i can choose gnome, emergency gnome, default environment and that emergency xterm
[05:16] <kbrooks> I have a question for newbies.....
[05:17] <kbrooks> How can we reach out to new users?
[05:17] <kbrooks> Ideas?
[05:17] <shookuser1> can't find download site for libdvdcss2??? anyone please help  (Newbie)
[05:18] <stempien> and after starting that xterm (down right corner) i can use anything under x's like mozilla for example
[05:18] <jnk> stempien, try the emergency xterm, and there type gnome-session
[05:18] <stempien> but no gnome :S
[05:18] <kbrooks> shookuser1, did you try to search for dvd?
[05:18] <jnk> see what happens
[05:18] <MIK3MAN> tritium: trying to get ubuntu to work, I hate giving up but the g/f is getting pissed at me not spending time away from the comp
[05:18] <tritium> shookuser1, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:18] <tritium> MIK3MAN, I understand that.  What's the problem now?
[05:18] <stempien> but first i'll reboot
[05:19] <shookuser1> tritum     yes nothing   Just other people with same problem
[05:19] <stempien> brb
[05:19] <kbrooks> shookuser1, 'nothing'? give more detail
[05:19] <MIK3MAN> tritium: btw, I lost that error cause the comp was in powersaver, I need to configure the video card... I cannot get into X
[05:20] <tritium> shookuser1, I don't think you looked at the URL I gave you ;)
[05:20] <hybrid_goth> tritium: hey! long time no see
[05:20] <tritium> MIK3MAN, so X is still not getting configured right on install?
[05:20] <tritium> hybrid_goth, hey there.  :)
[05:20] <MIK3MAN> anyone: I have an ATI rage pro that needs setting up for X, I am a noob, sort of
[05:21] <tritium> Yeah, I've not been around as much the past two months or so, hybrid_goth
[05:21] <kbrooks> I have a question for ALL! How can NUN reach out to new users?
[05:21] <sirumen> salut
[05:21] <hybrid_goth> tritium: yea i was gone for a month and a half to my dads
[05:21] <MIK3MAN> tritium: went through with no errors except the wifi configuration and DHCP
[05:21] <tritium> hybrid_goth, wb
[05:21] <hybrid_goth> which brings up a question
[05:21] <ubuntu> hi
[05:21] <hybrid_goth> tritium: ty
[05:21] <tritium> MIK3MAN, so no errors, but you still have no X?
[05:21] <jnk> MIK3MAN, by nvidia next time, I'm so sick with my radeon mobility, just can't get the tv output to work, it was so simple with nvidia
[05:22] <hybrid_goth> how can i set up a PPPoE connection from a modem no router.
[05:22] <ubuntu> hi amaranth
[05:22] <ubuntu> r u an indian
[05:22] <kbrooks> ubuntu, says who? :)
[05:22] <MIK3MAN> tritium: right, but what I find strange is that the live cd works!!
[05:22] <slept> MIK3MAN, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , select ati
[05:22] <tritium> MIK3MAN, so should the install CD.
[05:22] <hybrid_goth> jnk: is the all-in-wonder ati or nvidia?
[05:22] <jnk> ati
[05:22] <hybrid_goth> jnk: ah ty
[05:22] <tritium> MIK3MAN, is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg still giving the same error?
[05:22] <IIIEars> all in wonder is ATI
[05:23] <MIK3MAN> slept: hold on, I tried that b4
[05:23] <supernix> Hi anyone using a SDcard reader with Linux ?
[05:23] <kbrooks> Anyone?
[05:23] <hybrid_goth> anyone know how i can set up a PPPoE connection from a modem no router.
[05:23] <jnk> kbrooks, what's NUN ?
[05:23] <tritium> hybrid_goth, not sure, buddy.  Sorry.
[05:23] <hybrid_goth> tritium: ok np
[05:24] <slept> supernix, my digicam :)
[05:24] <jnk> supernix, yeah
[05:24] <kbrooks> jnk: new user(s) network
[05:24] <hybrid_goth> tritium: i went 42 days at my dads no internet because he wouldnt get a router
[05:24] <mulux> I'm trying to build an apache2 module but it seems the apxs-script is broken, anyone know how to fix it?
[05:24] <jnk> kbrooks, well it seems it hasn't reached out to me yet
[05:24] <Dieguito> hi
[05:24] <tritium> hybrid_goth, ah, wow
[05:24] <hybrid_goth> jnk: wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetwork
[05:24] <supernix> I can't get my Kodak to work with Kubunutu so I am trying to find a SDcard reader
[05:24] <nebular> gah! can't seem to get 1280x1024 on my xserver. I"m running kubuntu and I just ran dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg and it still goes to 1024x768. I have no idea what I"m doing wrong
[05:24] <hybrid_goth> tritium: yea...
[05:24] <teferi> http://wmute.net/~teferi/evo-mail-notify.py <-- new version of last night's evoliution new mail notification applet
[05:24] <kbrooks> jnk: explain why
[05:24] <supernix> Anyone have any suggestions about finding a good SDcard reader ?
[05:24] <teferi> ...evolution
[05:24] <teferi> please beat on it and tell me if it breaks
[05:24] <Dieguito> I need help to install ubuntu in my laptop without CD room
[05:25] <ajhobbs> hybrid_goth: Try http://users.pandora.be/Asterisk-PBX/PPPoE.htm
[05:25] <stempien> jnk: i rebooted, login (choosing gnome), switched to shell (alt+ctrl+f1) and there's already process with gnome (ps x)
[05:25] <hybrid_goth> supernix: have you tried mounting it as a sd drive?
[05:25] <stempien> but still brown screeen
[05:25] <jnk> NUN sounds cool
[05:25] <hybrid_goth> ajhobbs: thanx
[05:25] <MIK3MAN> slept: how do I run as root again?? I know su dont work
[05:25] <jnk> kbrooks, now it has
[05:25] <ajhobbs> MIK3MAN: sudo -s
[05:25] <zAo^> nebular, got OpenGL working?
[05:25] <jnk> supernix, any USB compatible is fine to me
[05:25] <Dieguito> can anyone help me in private please?
[05:25] <kbrooks> jnk: huh
[05:26] <jnk> supernix, just plug it in and a dialog appears in gnome
[05:26] <nebular> zAo^, haven't tried yet, just want to get 1280x1024 first
[05:26] <kbrooks> Dieguito, ask here
[05:26] <slept> supernix, you can mount with mount /dev/sda... /mnt
[05:26] <lool> Hi.  I had a look at the launchpad, and I could only find a couple of Debian bugs in it.  Is one supposed to login to see everything, or is it mostly empty yet?
[05:26] <MIK3MAN> ajhobbs: thanks, can I get the whold command line again.. dont want to mess up
[05:26] <nebular> that's what I was running on debian a year ago and in windows
[05:26] <zAo^> nebular, get OpenGL first: mesa cant get 1280
[05:26] <zAo^> nebular, VGA card?
[05:26] <nebular> the max option I have in kde is 1024x768
[05:26] <supernix> Ok I didn't know since the Kodak DX4150 was not working I was scared that if I did not get a particular device that I would have the same issue
[05:26] <ajhobbs> MIK3MAN: if you just do 'sudo -s' you'll get a root shell.  Easiest way if you need to do a number of steps.
[05:26] <jnk> stempien, try loging in the emergency xterm and typing gnome-sessoin
[05:27] <stempien> yeah tried
[05:27] <stempien> trying i mean
[05:27] <MIK3MAN> ok, I'll try that
[05:27] <hybrid_goth> zAo^: X broken over there still
[05:27] <hybrid_goth> ?
[05:27] <Dieguito> Please,,,toshiba portege 3440ct i need install ubuntu without cd room
[05:27] <kbrooks> tritium, ty ty ty ty ty :P
[05:27] <tritium> kbrooks, :)
[05:27] <supernix> ty jnk and slept for your help so you say any USB driven card reader will do ?
[05:27] <zAo^> hybrid_goth, yes, but I did not update last 5 days :)
[05:27] <hybrid_goth> kbrooks: we got a plug :P
[05:28] <ep> whats the command to print my version of ubuntu
[05:28] <hybrid_goth> zAo^: mine seems to work ok now
[05:28] <slept> supernix, your cam alswell if it has usb
[05:28] <tritium> kbrooks, and thank you for your involvement
[05:28] <zAo^> hybrid_goth, version? -43?
[05:28] <jnk> supernix, in my experience yes, they work out of the box as usb-storage I think
[05:28] <kbrooks> tritium, in?
[05:28] <nebular> zAo^, ok I'm not following you. I could run 1280x1024 in X all the way back to my ATI AIW pro. and that was before they had rage drivers so I had to use mach64 (no openGL)
[05:28] <stempien> SESSION_MANAGER=local....(some more)  <- freezed in that point
[05:28] <tritium> kbrooks, the NUN
[05:28] <hybrid_goth> zAo^: idk i am in breezy
[05:28] <jnk> supernix, (so no problem with a standard ubuntu kernel)
[05:28] <mihai_> hey can you pls tell me what do i need to modify in the sources.list to get access to the testing repo ?
[05:28] <supernix> My cam has USB but I can only view the pics I can't actually transfer them for some reason it never works past viewing what is on the camera
[05:28] <zAo^> hybrid_goth, Xorg version?
[05:29] <zAo^> nebular, what did you change? Reinstall?
[05:29] <hybrid_goth> zAo^: whats the command to tell
[05:29] <MIK3MAN> ok guys: dpkg is telling me that 'xserver-xorg' is not installed
[05:29] <nebular> zAo^, wipe and a reinstall
[05:29] <schasi> thats nice ;-)
[05:29] <slept> supernix,  mount and copy (cp)
[05:29] <nebular> a year ago I was running debian
[05:29] <zAo^> hybrid_goth, Xorg -version
[05:29] <jnk> mihai_, put you sources.list on pastebin.com
[05:29] <hybrid_goth> ok
[05:29] <nebular> hung around in windows for a year and now I'm trying kubuntu
[05:30] <supernix> You mean after it mounts then issue a cp command by the command line ?
[05:30] <hybrid_goth> zAo^: Xorg command not found
[05:30] <slept> MIK3MAN, try xserver-xfree86
[05:30] <zAo^> hybrid_goth, 6.8.2-36 here
[05:30] <tritium> MIK3MAN, something is going seriously wrong with your installations if that's the case
[05:31] <zAo^> hybrid_goth, ?? $ Xorg -version (mark the capital_
[05:31] <mihai_> jnk http://pastebin.com/315599
[05:31] <tritium> MIK3MAN, please first try "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[05:31] <lool> is someone using Launchpad here?
[05:31] <MIK3MAN> slept: is that with dpkg or just the command?
[05:31] <slept> supernix, yes or with a filebrowser
[05:31] <zAo^> hybrid_goth, just look in synaptic  ;)
[05:31] <hybrid_goth> zAo^: i typed: Xorg -version and it wasnt found
[05:31] <tritium> MIK3MAN, I don't advise trying xfree86
[05:31] <Snuffkin> Hi
[05:31] <Dieguito> i need to install ubuntu in my laptop without cd room? do you know how?
[05:31] <jnk> mihai_, you put testing instead of stable
[05:31] <hybrid_goth> zAo^: I am in cli. I am not big in GUI
[05:31] <zAo^> hybrid_goth,  Xorg: /usr/bin/Xorg
[05:31] <hybrid_goth> ok
[05:31] <jnk> mihai_, (it won't work for security though)
[05:31] <ep> how can I tell whether i have warty or hoary and what the version number is?  Can I do this from the command line?
[05:31] <slept> MIK3MAN, do you use hoary ?
[05:32] <toresbe> Dieguito: hey
[05:32] <hybrid_goth> zAo^: ha! i have X11 for some reason
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> i just  pop to the console and login. It says in the Message of the Day. :P
[05:32] <hybrid_goth> ep: try uname -a
[05:32] <zAo^> hybrid_goth, $ ls -l /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg ???
[05:32] <lool> Dieguito: sure, see the debian-installer manual, it gives example of bootp
[05:32] <Snuffkin> I'm 5.04 x86 livecd, had to use the netcfg/dhcp option to disable dhcp (static ip), always freezes after specifying nameservers (static), ..?
[05:33] <stempien> jnk: any idea about that?i tried gnome-session in xterm but it freezed in SESSION_MANAGER=local...etc
[05:33] <lool> Snuffkin: wifi or wired?
[05:33] <jnk> ep, in debian you have a file /etc/debian_version (I'm under debian right now), there must be something similiar inubuntu, or maybe "uname -a" will be informative
[05:33] <Snuffkin> wired
[05:33] <toresbe> Dieguito: You need to use netboot
[05:33] <ep> that gives the kernel, nothing about distro
[05:33] <MIK3MAN> slept: yeah hoary
[05:33] <slept> ep  cat /etc/apt/sources.list or apt-cache search xserver-xorg
[05:33] <hybrid_goth> zAo^: no xorg i have X and XFree86
[05:33] <Velcan> I'm using zenity (which is like xdialog), and I want the "cancel" button to kill the job that's feeding input to the zenity --progress process. Can anyone help?
[05:34] <zAo^> hybrid_goth, in Breezy? How did you do that? Did you do a `apt-get dist-upgrade`?
[05:34] <hybrid_goth> zAo^: yes long time ago
[05:34] <MIK3MAN> tritium: I tried sudo apt-get and it told me to do apt-get -i
[05:34] <hybrid_goth> zAo^: all my repos have breezy
[05:34] <jnk> stempien, if works if you just launch metacity? then nautilus? (metacity & nautilus)
[05:35] <zAo^> hybrid_goth, Breezy (even Hoary) did not have XFree
[05:35] <slept> MIK3MAN,  try dpkg --get-selections |grep xserver to find out if you have an xserver
[05:35] <hybrid_goth> zAo^: wow. i just did another dist-upgrade
[05:35] <zAo^> hybrid_goth, LOL
[05:35] <tritium> MIK3MAN, bizarre
[05:36] <jnk> Velcan, you pulse with a pipe?
[05:36] <stingerx52> how do I Install PureFtp server?
[05:36] <hybrid_goth> zAo^: thanks that was umm.... weird
[05:36] <stempien> jnk: metacity works
[05:36] <zAo^> hybrid_goth,  :) Hope you can restart X :$
[05:37] <Velcan> 'zenity --progress --pulse' is what im using
[05:37] <hybrid_goth> zAo^: as long as i have screen i am ok :P
[05:37] <tritium> MIK3MAN, bottom line is we need to get xserver-xorg installed
[05:37] <MIK3MAN> tritium: CORRECTION, it told me to do apt-get -f install
[05:37] <zAo^> hybrid_goth, lol :) dont restart X then :D
[05:37] <hybrid_goth> zAo^: i am really boggled how this happened
[05:38] <belhifet> how do i connect to the internet??
[05:38] <tritium> MIK3MAN, okay, that makes a little more sense, and confirms that something is going dreadfully wrong during your installation
[05:38] <toresbe> Anyone here speak Spanish?
[05:38] <stempien> jnk: nautilus freezes like gnome-session
[05:38] <stempien> i mean there's nothing
[05:38] <MIK3MAN> tritium: after I did that it was unpacking stuff then open office had tar corruption
[05:38] <tritium> toresbe, yes, but you should use #ubuntu-es
[05:38] <hybrid_goth> toresbe: ubuntu-es
[05:38] <jnk> Velcan, and the process you want to kill is piped to zenity right? "program | zenity --progress --pulsate"
[05:38] <toresbe> There's a guy here who can't speak English very well
[05:38] <stempien> type nautilus but nothing
[05:38] <slept> MIK3MAN, paste the error in # flood
[05:38] <toresbe> hybrid_goth: Excellent!
[05:38] <toresbe> thanks guys
[05:38] <hybrid_goth> toresbe: np
[05:38] <khermans> Anyone know how to convert a Flash swf to a movie file?
[05:38] <tritium> MIK3MAN, you're positive your installation media is good?
[05:39] <belhifet> anyone can tell me how to get ubuntu to connect to the internet?
[05:39] <Velcan> jnk:  yea. http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/OlLGPG23.html
[05:39] <MIK3MAN> slept: problem is that I am on a diff machine, I have to configure the wifi in ubuntu
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> khermans,  theres a tool under windows to do it... but ive never used it.  Perhaps a tool to convert a X session/display to a recording may do what you need.
[05:39] <jnk> stempien, try this: "aptitude reinstall nautilus", create a new user, and try to log in to this new user
[05:39] <ajhobbs> Anyone remember the RFC mail addresses needed for a domain?
[05:39] <hybrid_goth> belhifet: what connection are you on
[05:40] <MIK3MAN> tritium: I reburned twice, unless the downloaded image is currupt?? also... I burned from Windows
[05:40] <belhifet> hybrid_goth:pstn
[05:40] <tritium> MIK3MAN, if certain packages (e.g. openoffice) are corrupt, your install CD is hosed
[05:40] <belhifet> dial-up
[05:40] <ep> I was reading on the forums, trying to determine if bzflag 2.0 is available on the backports.  I stumbled  upon this ubuntu url, it has bzflag 2.0 listed.  But I'm not sure if it is appropiate for me to use it.  The URL is knda long.
[05:40] <tritium> MIK3MAN, did the "sudo apt-get install -f" complete?
[05:40] <Dieguito> Any one can help me please in private ,,,I need help instaling Ubuntu in my laptop without cd room..in can follow instruccion here
[05:40] <belhifet> 56k i mean
[05:40] <hybrid_goth> belhifet: ok you ready?
[05:41] <gyaresu> Dieguito, you are better off here. lots of different knowledge.
[05:41] <hybrid_goth> belhifet: dailup isnt real easy in linux
[05:41] <raven3x7> hello
[05:41] <khermans> Dr_Willis, i have x112vnc as well -- but no way to convert outputted SWF to a movie
[05:41] <MIK3MAN> tritium: no, did not complete, openoffice had tar corruption, it stopped
[05:41] <belhifet> hybrid_goth:why is that? i thought it would be really easy
[05:41] <belhifet> with kde at least it is
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> khermans,  no idea there. ive never messed with videos under linux.
[05:41] <tritium> MIK3MAN, try "sudo dpkg --configure --pending" please
[05:41] <jnk> Velcan, you mean the script continues even if you press cancel? that's starnge
[05:41] <raven3x7> any suggestions for a good ripper/encoder?
[05:41] <slept> MIK3MAN, what did happen after/while  you installed ? What did you do after that ?
[05:41] <raven3x7> for music
[05:42] <khermans> Dr_Willis, what tool did you use under Windows?
[05:42] <hybrid_goth> belhifet: well what kind of modem do you have
[05:42] <jnk> raven3x7, sound-juicer won't do?
[05:42] <MIK3MAN> tritium: ok give me a min
[05:42] <khermans> Dr_Willis, i could try crossover office with it
[05:42] <belhifet> hybrid:3com us robotics 56k message
[05:42] <hybrid_goth> belhifet: but you may not have drivers and such
[05:42] <slept> raven3x7, ogg abcde
[05:42] <belhifet> no but it's a good modem
[05:42] <gyaresu> raven3x7, goobox
[05:42] <hybrid_goth> belhifet: do you already have the drivers?
[05:42] <raven3x7> dunno never tried it. i only have goobox which is not much of use as a ripper really
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> khermans,  i never used the tool. :P I just saw it mentioned on a "get flash to play on your psp web site" it was like a $30 tool (stupid shareware)
[05:42] <Velcan> yea. I want it to killall dd when i hit cancel
[05:43] <hybrid_goth> belhifet: well then this wont be too hard. it isnt a winmodem?
[05:43] <MIK3MAN> slept: install went smooth except wifi config and DHCP, after that said some packages could not be installed, reboot, cant get into X, graphical error... I dunno
[05:43] <belhifet> hybrid: maybe.are they required?can't ubuntu recognize the modem by itself?
[05:43] <jnk> raven3x7, sound-juicer is a simple program to rip audio CDs... If you want to rip to mp3 instead or orgg vorbis or flac, you'll have to create an mp3 profile first (and install the gstreamer lame plugin)
[05:43] <hybrid_goth> belhifet: ok you see there are two kind of modems
[05:44] <hybrid_goth> belhifet: software and hardware respectively
[05:44] <khermans> Dr_Willis, thanks anyways!
[05:44] <belhifet> hybrid: ok go on
[05:44] <hybrid_goth> belhifet: the hardware ones usually work ootb with linux but the software ones only have the software for windows
[05:44] <raven3x7> jnk ill take a look. i already have the lame gstreamer plugin but mostly i want flac capability
[05:45] <gyaresu> raven3x7, simple is ripit.pl http://www.suwald.com/ripit/ripit.html
[05:45] <hybrid_goth> belhifet: so if yours isnt an outside box then its safe to say it is software aka winmodem
[05:45] <belhifet> hybrid:ok mine is an external good 56k modem
[05:45] <jnk> Velcan, you can check the $? variable in the next command. Should be 1 if you press cancel
[05:45] <lemone> !apt
[05:45] <ubotu> I guess apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[05:45] <hybrid_goth> belhifet: ok then all we should need to do is put in your isp info into the KDE network prog
[05:46] <jnk> raven3x7, should work out of the box then (choose CD quality, Lossless in the sound-juicer settings9
[05:46] <belhifet> hybrid:im with ubuntu, hence not kde
[05:46] <belhifet> but gnome
[05:46] <hybrid_goth> belhifet: oh well you said it was easy with kde i assumed you were in kubuntu i appologize
[05:47] <ep> Whats the difference between warty an hoary?
[05:47] <jnk> ep, warty is old
[05:47] <phwil> I'm running ubuntu 5.04 on laptop but can't seem to use external monitor.  resolution way off.  any pointers?
[05:47] <hybrid_goth> belhifet: try system>network and see if there is anything that sounds like it would set up a connection
[05:47] <hor> I can't install (configure) xlibs with breezy. how can i get more information what the problem is or can force dpkg to install the package? (i get the problem, when i do 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
[05:47] <jnk> phwil, what's your current resolution?
[05:48] <raven3x7> ep if you have new hardware yyou really dont wanna run warty
[05:48] <belhifet> hybrid:ok wait
[05:48] <ep> I must be doing something wrong then.  I've been on a quest to install bzflag 2.0 and I'm only finding it here : http://mirror.brianpuccio.net/ubuntu-backports-repository/dists/warty-backports/universe/binary-i386/
[05:48] <hybrid_goth> phwil: prolly X configuration
[05:48] <phwil> jnk: laptop is 1024x768
[05:48] <hybrid_goth> belhifet: ok at yuor pace =D
[05:48] <slept> MIK3MAN, if you the apt-get .. that tells you use -f you can scroll up and look for the packages / the error , maybe it's a half installed package that prevents apt from finishing
[05:48] <jnk> phwil, well I don't know sorry
[05:49] <hybrid_goth> is it linmodem.org or linmodems.org?
[05:49] <jnk> hor, you can use "dpkg --force-all -i something.deb"
[05:50] <ep> But its not listed in the same universe Hoary location.  Why woud it be in warty and not in Hoary?
[05:50] <stempien> jnk: damn no changes...anyway when i login (choosing gnome) hdd seems to work for a while but nothing anyway
[05:50] <nebular> ok so I reconfigured my xserver-xorg at low priority, manually entered my vsync and hsync, did everything the same as I've done before with debian and I can't get 1280x1024. the only new thing I have is I'm using xorg rather then xfree
[05:50] <stempien> brown screen
[05:50] <hor> jnk: This also doesn't work, thats stragen
[05:50] <hor> strange
[05:51] <nebular> my monitor can do 1280x1024, not a problem, but in the display properties in kde the max is 1024x768
[05:51] <nebular> anyone have any ideas what I could be missing?
[05:51] <jnk> stempien, so it won't login even in a new user? I don't know then.. maybe a problem with some daemon? file a bug if you can't get it to work
[05:51] <Velcan> jnk:  hmm ... I did ...) | zenity --progress --pulsate;echo $?     and it returns 'Hangup'
[05:51] <stingerx52> how can I Install programs troughtout ubuntu? For example : Pure Ftp server
[05:52] <raven3x7> slept ogg abcde doesnt seem to be in the repos
[05:52] <stempien> jnk: i can login..i type user and password push enter and *piuf* brown screen all the time
[05:52] <stempien> no matter which user
[05:52] <raven3x7> jnk while basic i think sound-juicer might do for now
[05:52] <jnk> nebular, and what does gnome-display-properties say (if you have it installed)
[05:52] <Will_> brown screen of death?
[05:53] <stempien> brown screen of ubuntu :S
[05:53] <jnk> that's BSOD too
[05:53] <nebular> jnk, don't, sorry I forgot to say I"m running kubuntu
[05:53] <zAo^> did any1 succesfully connect his Ubuntubox to his PocketPC ??
[05:53] <slept> raven3x7, abcde is there an with ogg I thought of ogg (vorbisvorbis-tools - Several Ogg Vorbis Tools)
[05:53] <chaps0063> so what is a good app to play music in besides xmms?
[05:54] <zAo^> Chambers`, Beep-media-player
[05:54] <jnk> nebular, it would be interesting if you could install this just for testing because it doesn't care what's in you X config file (it's in the capplets package)
[05:54] <zAo^> chaps0063, beep-media-player
[05:54] <belhifet> hybrid_goth: look i tried what you suggested yesterday and it brought a screen with the modem config etc, but now i started ubuntu and it says "could not look up internet address for . this might prevent ubuntu from functioning properly. add to etc/hosts/ " or smt like that
[05:54] <stempien> amp?:P
[05:54] <lemone> !info xmms
[05:54] <ubotu> xmms: (Versatile X audio player that looks like Winamp), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.2.10-2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1917 kB, Installed size: 5988 kB
[05:54] <jnk> nebular, basically, if gnome-display-properties doesn't allow a higher resolution, then it's probably a problem with your video driver (wrong one likely)
[05:55] <zAo^> !info multisync
[05:55] <belhifet> hybrid: i pressed log in anyway and went to system>network and it wont open.i mean the window.i restarted and same thing again
[05:55] <ubotu> multisync: (A program to synchronize PIM data), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.82-5ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 75 kB, Installed size: 288 kB
[05:55] <belhifet> with same error
[05:55] <hybrid_goth> belhifet: is ubuntu installed?
[05:55] <slept> stempien, if you are really desperate you can delete .gnome in your home but you'll lose all gnome settings (I had more or less the same with xfce and that made it for me)
[05:55] <belhifet> yeah
[05:55] <raven3x7> slept oh will check
[05:55] <stempien> slept: ok i'll try
[05:55] <stempien> slept: i don't have any gnome settings yet
[05:55] <nebular> jnk, well I'm using a geforce4 MX 440, I reconfigured the xserver at low priority, so I chose nvidia (rather than nv).
[05:55] <Snuffkin> How can I disable network completely using boot options with the 5.04x86 livecd?
[05:56] <jnk> Velcan, mm I can't test, it kills the terminal when I press cancel :/
[05:56] <hybrid_goth> belhifet: ok h/o just a second ill see if there is a command line command for all this
[05:56] <stempien> slept: i have gnome2 is it the same?:P
[05:56] <jnk> nebular, If you run with nvidia and it works, then the driver is probably not the problem :) (you can try with nv though). Check the resolutions in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:57] <belhifet> hybrid:i installed ubuntu yesterday and first thing that i looked for is connecting to the internet.after searching for a while i found system>network and i tried to make it work but failed.shut down normally and today i get this error when i log in
[05:57] <raven3x7> bilhefit i was geetting that message in fedora but that was never a real problem as it did not affect the system
[05:57] <belhifet> raven3x7: it wont let me open the networking window
[05:58] <shinu> hi all
[05:58] <belhifet> hybrid: i know there's wvdial for the CLI but would prefer to do it the gnome ubuntu way with the network window
[05:58] <shinu> whats the file where i could put some startup commands in?
[05:58] <belhifet> raven3x7: did you ever understand what that error was?
[05:59] <hybrid_goth> belhifet: wvdial is semi graphical
[05:59] <Chambers`> hey guys, whats a good mp3 file tag renamer?  I currently use tag&rename for windows (wine)
[05:59] <slept> stempien, don't know but you can try, if you restart gnome it should be recreated
[05:59] <Chambers`> like something that will get tags from the internet, multi file renamer based on tags, etc
[05:59] <hybrid_goth> Chambers`: check synaptic i know there is one there
[05:59] <slept> Chambers`, cantus
[05:59] <raven3x7> belhifet i didnt really check. it said something about adding a line somewhere. dont remember exactly
[05:59] <[2] BoxingFiend> !info easytag
[05:59] <ubotu> easytag: (viewing, editing and writing ID3 tags), section universe/sound, is optional. Version: 1.99.3-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 667 kB, Installed size: 2088 kB
[05:59] <sw> How to comfigure ubuntu firewall?
[06:00] <hybrid_goth> belhifet: man wvdial i think it will help you and it should show you all you need to do
[06:00] <Chambers`> thanks guys
[06:00] <jmanns> can anyone help me install apps through codeweavers crossoffice?
[06:01] <raven3x7> slept abcde also does mpc cool
[06:01] <hybrid_goth> belhifet: hey i got to go for a few minutes try that wvdial it should do it
[06:01] <Chambers`> is there a windows port of cantus also for my windows machine?
[06:01] <mumbles-out> lo all.. im back from breef hoilday... if anyone cares in here
[06:01] <raven3x7> belhifet are you using an internal or external modem?
[06:01] <belhifet> external
[06:02] <Velcan> jnk:  here's what im using now actually http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/eUxHS993.html
[06:02] <belhifet> hybrid: now i have the annoying error
[06:02] <raven3x7> as hybrid_goth said try wvdial its the most reliable dialer
[06:02] <belhifet> hybrid:and i have to edit wvdial.conf etc to get wvdial to connect...it's better with the other way
[06:02] <Velcan> jnk:  oops forgot to change something else :P
[06:03] <belhifet> what of the error?
[06:03] <jnk> Velcan, does it work?
[06:03] <Velcan> jnk:  http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/u6WeOg78.html .... no still isnt
[06:04] <raven3x7> belhifet i didnt really check. it said something about adding a line somewhere. dont remember exactly. i dont think this is really the reason for youre problem at least it wasnt a problem for me
[06:04] <ep> From this site http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-12095.html  I'm learing that bzflag 2,0 has been promoted to the stable tree.  But try as I may I can't find it anywhere.  What am I doing wrong?
[06:04] <tapia> hi
[06:04] <Dieguito> can anyone help me?
[06:04] <milesmatt30> anybody know where there might exist a repostiory for gaim 1.4? I'm hanging on 3 protocols.
[06:04] <tapia> I have a problem on my ibook with breezy: the Apple key doesn't work as AltGr
[06:04] <raven3x7> belhifet run sudo wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf
[06:04] <tapia> it worked till 4 o 5 days ago
[06:04] <Velcan> jnk:  that script there exits but dd continues running
[06:04] <milesmatt30> using 1.3
[06:05] <tapia> any help, please?
[06:05] <jmanns> can rhapsody be installed on gnome or kde?
[06:05] <raven3x7> belhifet, that will create a proile. then you just need to edit the passwords and phone number
[06:05] <Dieguito> in have a portege 3440ct toshiba
[06:05] <slept> ep its in universe
[06:05] <jnk> can you insert an echo $? before killall and see what it says?
[06:05] <ep> version 2.0 ?
[06:05] <ep> or 1.10
[06:05] <slept> 1.1
[06:06] <raven3x7> amarok rules
[06:06] <belhifet> raven3x7: after getting the error, i click on system>networking and it seems to load, i see the app minimized and after a few seconds it vanishes,wtf!
[06:06] <jmanns> raven3x7:  what is amarok?
[06:06] <ep> slept Not the same -- they run different servers :)
[06:06] <raven3x7> music player but its kde based. im using it anyway though
[06:07] <Dieguito> Install ubuntu in Toshiba portege 3440ct without cd room, any help?
[06:07] <SS2> nabend
[06:07] <jmanns> raven3x7:  you got the url for me to d/l it?
[06:07] <SS2> oops
[06:07] <shinu> so where could i put some commands to be run at booting?
[06:07] <jnk> Dieguito, can you boot from a usb thing or something?
[06:08] <Dieguito> just by a usb fdd
[06:08] <jnk> shanon, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh or your own init.d script
[06:08] <raven3x7> belhifet i didnt have any such problem on fedora. ant say for sure. i remember gnome suggestet adding localhost.localhost somewhere
[06:08] <raven3x7> jmanns its in the repos
[06:08] <ep> I don't understand why I'm only finding a Warty dep package.   That above article said it was promoted to the stable tree and I cant find it anywhere.
[06:08] <Dieguito> jnk, can we talk in private,,,i cant follow you
[06:08] <raven3x7> cant say for sure
[06:08] <jose> holaaaa
[06:08] <shinu> nvm i found it 8)
[06:09] <slept> ep http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/bzflag  for 2.0.2
[06:09] <raven3x7> belhifet ones you get wvdial running it really is quite handy
[06:09] <belhifet> raven3x7:but what could have caused that.i mean i was running ubuntu yesterday without any errors
[06:10] <belhifet> raven3x7:ok wvdial.conf found a modem .how do i edit the phone number and user&pass?
[06:10] <Velcan> jnk:  not outputting anything ...
[06:10] <shinu> bye
[06:10] <raven3x7> sudo gedit /etc/wvdial.conf
[06:11] <belhifet> and i need only the phone number,usrname and passwd?
[06:11] <raven3x7> belhifet im really not that experienced to debug gnome
[06:12] <dr_willis> are not some ISP's useing that encrypted password stuff now.  as part of the pap/chap stuff? been ages since i messed with dialup.
[06:12] <raven3x7> belhifet although i do have some experience with modems
[06:12] <jnk> Velcan, that's weird... and if you just put a killall after zenity, without checking $?, does it work?
[06:12] <ep> I've been that route slept -- that requires libcurl3 version >= 1.13.x   Debian and other distros have that version, ubuntu does not.  I tried installing it but thats dependency hell (for me anyway, I'm a newbie)  I think a ununtu package should be easier to install, no?
[06:12] <raven3x7> belhifet, it should work if not tell me what wvdial says
[06:13] <belhifet> raven3x7:ok i edited it
[06:13] <belhifet> what's next?
[06:13] <belhifet> how do i execute it?
[06:13] <volvoguy> fabbione: howdy, i have an irc logging question for you.
[06:14] <fabbione> volvoguy: go ahead
[06:14] <raven3x7> type sudo wvdial but im not really sure sudo is necessary
[06:14] <slept> ep, that should be the reason why you can't have that version with ubuntu
[06:14] <Velcan> jnk:  do you mean like ... | zenity --progress --pulse && killall dd ?
[06:15] <jnk> Velcan, no just  --pulsate ; killall dd
[06:15] <fabbione> volvoguy: just ask...
[06:15] <Velcan> ok
[06:15] <Velcan> ill try
[06:15] <guillem> Hey! I'm crunching numbers with my new AMD64 3.5+ (2.211 GHz), and it is fast!. I'm getting about a 15% speedup using a 64 bit executable respect a 32 bit executable...
[06:15] <nathan__> Hey guys, here's a 2 question...
[06:15] <ep> slept but thats what i don't understand, why is that version of bzflag listed on a warty backport and why this : http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-12095.html
[06:16] <volvoguy> fabbione: we're starting to ramp up work on the #ubuntu-artwork channel. is there any chance we could get that channel logged?
[06:16] <guillem> The machine seems to be slower than a P-IV at 3.5 GHz in 32 bit mode, but using 64bit executable it is about a P-IV 3.7!
[06:16] <fabbione> volvoguy: yes, send me an email as a reminder.. i will do it tomorrow
[06:16] <guillem> Eventhough it has only a 512Kb cache...
[06:17] <belhifet> raven3x7:ok going to test it now.going offline .hopefully i log in with linux this time...
[06:17] <Velcan> jnk:  nope ... ) | zenity --progress --pulsate;killall dd ... and dd still running
[06:17] <volvoguy> fabbione: excellent, thanks!
[06:17] <Velcan> magical ...
[06:18] <jnk> Velcan, yeah looks like a bug in zenity
[06:18] <ep> I'll ask on the forums i guess.  I'm thinking about trying to install that warty deb file.  Would that work?
[06:18] <Velcan> maybe i should try pkill
[06:18] <ep> I have hoary
[06:20] <Velcan> humbug ... pkill doesnt work either
[06:21] <blaha> I'm having a hard time getting Gnome to accept the correct screen resolution. I edited xorg.conf, but no matter what I do it won't show anything higher than 1024x768@80 in the Grub resolution manager?
[06:22] <guillem> blaha, what do you mean with "Grub resolution manager"?
[06:22] <blaha> sorry, ment Gnome.
[06:23] <guillem> blaha, does your monitor allow such resolution?
[06:23] <blaha> yes, it got it on windows, and the specs confirm it.
[06:23] <guillem> blaha,  OK, make sure that the horizontal frequency range at xorg.conf is correct (see specs)
[06:24] <jnk> Velcan, I think the script just quits after zenity
[06:24] <guillem> blaha, also make sure you are modifiying the resolution entry for the defaultColorDepth ...
[06:24] <mulux> how come you never have to worry about the horizontal frequency in windows, and linux is always bugging you about it? :O
[06:24] <jnk> Velcan, you should probably file a bug report against zenity
[06:25] <blaha> guillem, pretty sure I did that, but double checking as we speak
[06:27] <guillem> What do I have to do to play e.t. at ubuntu64?
[06:27] <blmartin777> If I use fvwm as my window manager are my media's (cd-rom, Floppy) going to auto-mount still?
[06:28] <guillem> blmartin777, probably not. But I guess cd-rom would automount when you place a shell inside the /media/cdrom. Not sure at all nevertheless.
[06:29] <blmartin777> guillem , Thanks
[06:30] <jnk> blmartin777, you just have to launch gnome-volume-manager in the background
[06:30] <Sweetshark> +/quit
[06:30] <capi> guillem, this is blaha, everything was correct and I rebooted to make sure it was being used as the currect config. Still no higher resolution.
[06:31] <guillem> capi, hmmm.
[06:32] <guillem> capi, you don't need to reboot to check it. CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE should suffice for testing....
[06:32] <guillem> capi, it is not an old monitor or old card, is it?
[06:33] <capi> guillem, fairly new, only a year and a half old.
[06:33] <blmartin777> jnk: that easy and it will work. thanks
[06:34] <capi> guillem, here are the specs? http://www.emachines.com/support/product_support.html?cat=monitor&subcat=CRT&model=eView+17f2
[06:34] <guillem> capi, looking at it...
[06:34] <kbrooks> Bleh, capi
[06:34] <kbrooks> emachine?
[06:35] <kbrooks> they're bullshit
[06:35] <capi> kbrooks, i don't like them either, but the computer was $50 after all the rebates and sales i got out of them. Pretty nice for the time.
[06:35] <blmartin777> jnk: do I need to run dbus or anything else
[06:35] <guillem> capi, this is not the answer to your question, but I would never use 1280 x 1024 @ 60 Hz
[06:35] <kbrooks> money dont matter
[06:36] <capi> I'm not, I"m using the 11** one, 60 Hz would kill my eyes.
[06:36] <kbrooks> capi: you should buy a HP no matter what the  amount of the eMachine is
[06:37] <ugo> hey i have an e-machine!
[06:37] <guillem> capi, but is it crt or tft?? because it says crt but the photo is a tft...
[06:37] <basti> is there anyone that would like to try to get radeon drivers running on my pc by remoting via vnc?
[06:37] <othernoob> kbrooks: why HP
[06:38] <capi> guillem, it is most definetly a CRT, photo is just a default.
[06:38] <kbrooks> othernoob, no idea
[06:38] <ugo> dont flame my baby! *gearing for flame war*
[06:38] <IIIEars> I suffer with an emachine also (+ 2 HP's and a grey box home build)
[06:38] <guillem> capi, oh it is crt I see it at the guide.
[06:38] <ugo> *loading textual ammunition*
[06:38] <othernoob> kbrooks: then why advise it?
[06:38] <kbrooks> Accessible capacity varies; MB = 1 million bytes; GB = 1 billion bytes.
[06:38] <kbrooks> BS
[06:39] <jnk> blmartin777, ah maybe yes...
[06:39] <kbrooks> othernoob, they're good
[06:39] <othernoob> kbrooks: on what do you base that
[06:39] <kbrooks> othernoob, my grandfather brought one
[06:39] <capi> kbrooks, I did have a fun mistake happen with emachines today. it appears their coder forgot to turn off some debugging features, so an error gave me their db password in plain text. I can understand why you think they are idiots. :P
[06:39] <blmartin777> jnk: thanks
[06:40] <othernoob> kbrooks: i see. makes sense then...
[06:40] <IIIEars> capi - lol
[06:40] <Scrambler> No manual entry for stdio.h
[06:40] <guillem> capi, I don't understand your problem. You won't use 1280x1024@64 but you complain you cannot reach anything better than 1024x768@80, is that right?
[06:40] <basti> noone wants to remote my pc? :S
[06:40] <kbrooks> othernoob, the HP was so modern
[06:40] <kbrooks> basti, pm
[06:40] <Scrambler> Um... what package has the man pages for libs?
[06:40] <ugo> just put linux on it...ditch windows
[06:40] <sJaM> whereofore basti
[06:41] <sJaM> nvm
[06:41] <IIIEars> capi - should i buy my next computer online with emachines? - roflmao
[06:41] <guillem> (I meant 1280x1024@60)
[06:41] <capi> guillem, I'm attempting to get 1152x864 @ 75.00 Hz, which is what I get with this monitor on Windoze.
[06:41] <jnk> blmartin777, you need hald running, which probably need d-bus too
[06:41] <stinky> when I try to run "make" to install my ipw2200 driver , I get the following error : "make[1] : Entering directory `/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build'
[06:41] <stinky> "make[1] : *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop.
[06:41] <stinky> ".  Does anybody know what causes this
[06:41] <capi> sorry if I wasn't clear on that.
[06:41] <guillem> capi, OK, now I understand your problem ;-)
[06:42] <Scrambler> *gnarf*
[06:42] <guillem> capi, the problem is that probably xorg has not a  1152x864 @ 75.00 Hz line by default
[06:42] <blmartin777> jnk: when I log into gnome those are automatically started  right?
[06:42] <guillem> capi, you could add it if you knew the exact values and it would work.
[06:43] <jnk> blmartin777, yes
[06:43] <mantas> heh, i'm that happy user who upgraded X in breezy :)
[06:43] <jnk> blmartin777, actually, I think hald is started even before, at boot
[06:43] <capi> guillem, what `exact value' would I need to know?
[06:43] <marcin> hi all is there any networking guru here?
[06:43] <guillem> capi, you need a correct "modeline" to be added under the "monitor" section
[06:43] <stinky> Can anybody help me
[06:44] <marcin> I got a problem with configuring wireless network on my laptop
[06:44] <marcin> could anybody help me
[06:44] <raven3x7> back
[06:44] <stinky> shoot
[06:44] <jurgonh> Hello there, anyone who would like to help me out? i have never used Linux before, and i have just installed Ubuntu on my computer, i would like som help with a lot of things.. =)
[06:44] <stinky> I also have a wireless network problem
[06:44] <capi> guillem, I already have that I think... my config file, http://pastebin.com/315642
[06:44] <jnk> stinky, when building ipw2200, I just followed the simple instructions in the README.Debian file, using module-assistant
[06:45] <IIIEars> When in doubt and model names are obscured for motherboards or monitors the FCC ID# will give you EXACT device specs. you can find them online at fcc.gov
[06:45] <jnk> jurgonh, just ask them here
[06:45] <jnk> marcin, what's the problem?
[06:46] <marcin> jnk, the problem is that I got a laptop with ethernet and wireless connections - intel chipset
[06:46] <marcin> jnk, and ubuntu hoary
[06:46] <marcin> jnk, ethernet is eth0 and (strange) wireless as eth1
[06:46] <marcin> jnk, I can activate both interfaces and I can configure them
[06:47] <guillem> capi, I don't know where you got that modeline from. Just see http://stp.ling.uu.se/~perweij/priv/div/ati9100igp_tvout/XF86Config-4 and you'll see another one that might be as good or as wrong as yours ...
[06:47] <marcin> jnk, unfortunatelly there is no way to establish connection via wireless interface
[06:47] <jurgonh> ok, first of all i have no idea how to install programs, i am used to .exe files and so... i just downloaded opera 8.01 and its in a xxxxx.tar.gz format.. have do i install this? =)
[06:47] <stinky> jnk, you used the debian package ?
[06:47] <jnk> stinky, first ubuntu's, now I'm using debian
[06:47] <marcin> jnk, I turned off eth0
[06:47] <IIIEars> Welcome Jurgoh :)  ( Don't know if i can help but no need to ask to ask. - i am new also)
[06:48] <jnk> marcin, if you type "sudo iwconfig", what do you see?
[06:48] <guillem> capi, probably it would be a good idea to try a knoppix to see if it gets the right modeline and if so check the modeline line that it is using...
[06:48] <guillem> capi, xvidtune program can show you the actual modeline.
[06:48] <marcin> jnk, and configured eth1 (wireless) with static IP - 192.168.0.2
[06:48] <mantas> jurgonh: use apt-get or synaptic
[06:48] <guillem> capi, I mean the current one.
[06:48] <M1N10N> hey all
[06:48] <marcin> jnk, I can see a lot of informations about network card
[06:48] <jnk> jurgonh, opera is not free (as in free speech) so it's not well supported on ubuntu. Normally you install packages, and it's quite simple. Try the synaptic package manager (it's in some menu)
[06:48] <raven3x7> what would happen if nvidia drivers couldnt find a useable resolution-refresh rate combination. and could there be a reason why these same settings would work with for the nv driver
[06:49] <capi> guillem, okay.
[06:49] <mantas> or opera's .deb package and read ubuntu guide
[06:49] <jnk> marcin, eth1 right ?
[06:49] <guillem> capi, good luck!
[06:49] <marcin> jnk yes
[06:49] <stinky> jnk, but you didn't compile the source, you just had a .deb packages, cause I can't find any in the apt-cache
[06:49] <marcin> jnk, I thought that this should set up as wlan0 or something like this
[06:49] <marcin> jnk, no idea why it is eth1
[06:49] <guillem> capi, besides, the card has enough ram to do 24 bit at that resolution???
[06:50] <jnk> marcin, it's normal
[06:50] <jnk> marcin, do you see some network if you type "sudo iwlist scan" ?
[06:50] <marcin> jnk, anyway this connection works nice with win xp
[06:50] <M1N10N> I have a newb question
[06:51] <marcin> jnk, yes I can see network
[06:51] <marcin> jnk, propably the thing is that it is "ad-hoc" connection
[06:51] <jnk> marcin, there was a small flame over the naming of the ipw2200 /ipw2100 interfaces :)
[06:51] <M1N10N> I want to stop ubuntu from displaying the cd on the desktop when it mounts it
[06:51] <jnk> marcin, you want to connect to an ad-hoc network?
[06:51] <marcin> jnk, so no AP - only 2 wireless cards
[06:51] <marcin> jnk, yes I have to - while there is no AP
[06:52] <sss_lr> M1N1ON: remove entry from /etc/fstab
[06:52] <zAo^> M1N10N, go to "Removeable drives and Media"
[06:53] <capi> hmm, last modline didn't work either. :\ ... guillem, I think I'll try Kubuntu, maybe it's just Gnome messing with my mind?
[06:53] <jnk> marcin, can you paste the output of "iwconfig" and "iwlist scan" in pastebin.com ?
[06:54] <marcin> jnk, sorry - not now - unfortunatelly I don't have an access to this wireless network I want to connect to
[06:54] <M1N10N> hmm
[06:54] <marcin> jnk, because I'm at home now and I got LAN here
[06:54] <M1N10N> I don't want to stop automatically mounting the disc. Just to stop the icon from displaying on the desktop
[06:54] <marcin> jnk, while I need to connect with wi-fi at work - tomorrow
[06:55] <marcin> jnk, and now when I got an access to internet I want to find out what could be a problem
[06:55] <jnk> marcin, well you can try and install netapplet, but frankly I didn't find it very reliable especially with ad-hoc networks... it may work though.
[06:55] <capi> Out of curiousity, anyone know a scripting language that uses the keyword `my'? like in the syntax `my $variable'
[06:56] <jnk> marcin, your best bet is to learn some terminal commands
[06:56] <Trackilizer> Hey people
[06:56] <marcin> jnk, you mean NetworkManager?
[06:56] <Trackilizer> I need your help
[06:57] <marcin> jnk, ok - what commands?
[06:57] <sol77> Hello guys, I've got a quick question. How can I find out what cluster size a fs, i.e ext3, uses on a partition uses?
[06:57] <jnk> marcin, no netapplet... anyway I'll tell you in private
[06:57] <emX|away> capi: perl.
[06:57] <Trackilizer> Is there any IM i can use in ubuntu that will let me watch my freinds webcams when chating in MSN?
[06:58] <^thehatsrule^> Trackilizer: doubt it
[06:58] <Trackilizer> Is there any reason why there isnt?
[06:58] <capi> Thats what I thought, but I'm not enough of a perl junky to know.
[06:58] <^thehatsrule^> msn is by microsoft? :P
[06:58] <kbrooks> Trackilizer, no webcam feature developed for gaim etc
[06:58] <tomchuk> amsn supports it IIRC
[06:58] <kbrooks> ^thehatsrule^, be helpful
[06:59] <^thehatsrule^> nah
[06:59] <^thehatsrule^> the reason why there isnt is cause m$ is too tight on their products
[06:59] <Trackilizer> That sucks
[06:59] <sol77> Anyone know? I'd be very grateful.
[06:59] <tomchuk> Trackilizer,  amsn
[06:59] <Trackilizer> Does it have webcam support?
[06:59] <tomchuk> yup
[07:00] <Trackilizer> COOL!!!
[07:00] <kbrooks> tomchuk, bs
[07:00] <Trackilizer> thanks alot
[07:00] <Trackilizer> it doesnt?
[07:00] <tomchuk> http://amsn.sourceforge.net/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Webcam+In+aMSN
[07:00] <Trackilizer> SHIT!!!
[07:00] <tomchuk> kbrooks,  do your homework ;)
[07:00] <Trackilizer> So it does?
[07:00] <tomchuk> yes
[07:00] <Proteque> is this for real?!
[07:00] <kbrooks> yes
[07:01] <Trackilizer> thanks alot dude
[07:01] <tomchuk> They've even got ubuntu packages for the latest version on the wiki
[07:01] <Trackilizer> again thanks alot
[07:01] <Trackilizer> brb
[07:01] <tomchuk> I'm not sure if the version in Hoary supports video
[07:01] <Trackilizer> im going to install the stuff
[07:03] <basti> argh!
[07:03] <stinky> DId anybody have a problem with the wireless card ipw2200 that it was installed properly but couldn't detect anny networks
[07:04] <basti> brook!!
[07:05] <Phati> This needs the ncurses library. If it is not available, menuconf wont work. If you are using curses, use make menuconfig-curses instead.
[07:05] <Phati> was wie ist das? :-/
[07:05] <supernix> Hi could someone tell me what would be the best way to rename a bunch of files ?
[07:05] <Phati> das kommt beim "make menuconfig" beim psybnc
[07:06] <tomchuk> supernix,  bash loop or the gnu rename program
[07:06] <basti> Ill be back
[07:07] <supernix> where can I get the gnu rename program ?
[07:08] <tomchuk> supernix,  one sec, lemme check
[07:09] <M1N10N> supernix, the unofficial ubunto starter guide has lots of how-to's
[07:09] <Bubbling_Zombie> so has the wiki
[07:09] <supernix> sh ty M1N10N and tomchuk
[07:11] <tomchuk> supernix,  usually rename is part of util-linux, but I think it's replaced with a crappy perl version on Debian distros
[07:11] <cion> hello everybody, newbie here, I need help with wireless USB peripherical
[07:11] <cion> any1 can help me with installation?
[07:11] <Scrambler> can someone tell me how to get the man pages for the library functions?
[07:11] <nebular> arrgh, keep getting called away from the computer
[07:11] <Bubbling_Zombie> cion, what kind of card?
[07:12] <tomchuk> nebular,  install glibc-doc
[07:12] <ep> Ok, on my quest for the holy grail.  I posted the question on the ubuntu forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=49947
[07:12] <supernix> I have some images that need renaming since I messed up the name while downloading them from my cam
[07:12] <jnk> Scrambler, install manpages-dev
[07:12] <Scrambler> jnk ah thanks
[07:13] <nebular> so to reiterate my issue, I have a geforce4 MX 440, and I can't seem to get it to display at 1280x1024
[07:13] <tomchuk> supernix,  what are they named now, and what would you like them named?
[07:13] <nebular> I've been able to in the past on debian, the only difference fron thwen to now is that I"m running xorg rather then xfree
[07:15] <tritium> nebular, are you using nvidia or nv driver?
[07:15] <ep> I tried to 'apt-cache search gin'  to search for a gin card game.  Lots of stuff contains the string of characters "gin".   Do I need regular expressions or something?
[07:17] <gorlist> hi, i get an error when logging in that says "could not open up internet address . this may cause gnome to not run properly. try editing /etc/hosts" or something like that
[07:17] <gorlist> does anyone know the solution to this?
[07:17] <othernoob> nebular: just curious, do you like pokemons?
[07:18] <nebular> othernoob, no
[07:18] <jnk> gorlist, can you paste your /etc/hosts on pastebin.com ?
[07:18] <emX|away> ep: you can use regexes with apt-cache
[07:18] <nebular> tritium, using nvidia
[07:18] <othernoob> nebular: weird..your name reminds me of one ;)
[07:19] <emX|away> ep: or pair multiple queries (eg 'gin card game')
[07:19] <gorlist> jnk:yeah just a moment
[07:19] <jpinto> helloy
[07:20] <supernix> 7-16-0520050716-17:23:44-0252
[07:20] <supernix> that is the file names right now well something like that
[07:20] <supernix> of course with the jpg extension
[07:20] <freeradicals> hello
[07:20] <supernix> I just wanted them to have the date like 7-16-06.jpg
[07:20] <freeradicals> how are you people
[07:21] <gorlist> jnk:http://pastebin.com/315668
[07:21] <nebular> what I have done is reconfigured xserver-xorg at low priority and entered in my v and hsync values manually and made sure that 1280x1024 was selected and after all that verified that it was all put into my xorg.conf correctly
[07:21] <nebular> but when I start it up it goes into 1024x768
[07:21] <tritium> nebular, have you checked /var/log/Xorg.0.log for clues?
[07:23] <mastertet> hey, some chanel for ubuntulite?
[07:23] <tomchuk> supernix,  is the 0252 number on the end unique for each image?
[07:23] <nebular> tritium, checking now
[07:23] <kbrooks> mastertet, what is ubuntulite
[07:23] <jnk> gorlist, maybe try putting "127.0.0.1 gorlist localhost" instead of "127.0.0.1 gorlist"
[07:23] <freeradicals> how is ubuntu different from, lets say win xp? (n00bie question)
[07:23] <mastertet> kbrooks: http://www.ubuntulite.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
[07:24] <gorlist> jnk:i'll try but maybe you should see you hosts file to see the difference
[07:24] <nebular> tritium, well that seems to be it, it saying my h and vsync values are out of range
[07:24] <othernoob> freeradicals: it's free ;) it's more stable than xp.. it's faster..it's better ;)
[07:24] <^DodGeR^> freeradicals, u can get online for longer then 12 minutes (on average) b4 u contract a virus
[07:24] <mastertet> freeradicals, first, it is Linux and it is free. Next, it comes with softwares for each task you wanna do on a desktop pc, all free
[07:24] <freeradicals> hahah lol
[07:24] <^DodGeR^> plus it looks better and is actually something stable
[07:25] <freeradicals> so the interface is more attractive?
[07:25] <nebular> tritium, that however is incorrect as they came from the manual and I've used tham before (but that was xfree)
[07:25] <kbrooks> freeradicals, u dont have to run AV
[07:25] <freeradicals> whats AV?
[07:25] <^DodGeR^> i personally think so (av = anti virus)
[07:25] <mastertet> freeradicals, just check screenshots on official website
[07:25] <freeradicals> okie
[07:25] <othernoob> what's with people always claiming that there are no virii for linux...
[07:26] <nebular> hang on
[07:26] <stempien> ;-0
[07:26] <jnk> gorlist, I  have localhost for 127.0.0.1, and my hostname for my LAN ip (192.168.10.1)
[07:26] <^DodGeR^> surely there are othernoob
[07:26] <mastertet> othernoob, lets just say that there are a lot less
[07:26] <freeradicals> I see many windows opened in the screenshots, does that indicate that it takes less memory than xp
[07:26] <othernoob> i really should change my name...
[07:26] <^DodGeR^> heh
[07:27] <nebular> that worked, the xserver wasn't restarting properly
[07:27] <supernix> tomchuk: actually the 0252 number is the unique number
[07:27] <gorlist> how do i restart x?
[07:27] <nebular> thanks tritium
[07:27] <Trackilizer> hey its me again
[07:27] <^DodGeR^> memory aint the win if thats what ure after freeradicals
[07:27] <Trackilizer> i need your help again
[07:27] <Trackilizer> with aMSN
[07:27] <jnk> freeradicals, each part of the system (including each part of the graphical interface) is completely modular and configurable... if you don't like the program which handles your windows, you can change it. If you don't like the program which displays your files, you can change it, etc.
[07:27] <tomchuk> supernix,  cool...
[07:27] <tritium> nebular, sure.  let me know what you end up finding out
[07:27] <Trackilizer> it freezes as soon as i login
[07:27] <chaps0063> is there any quick way to switch between workspaces in gnome?
[07:28] <jnk> chaps0063, ctrl+alt+arrows
[07:28] <cion> anyone can help me with usb wireless card installation?
[07:28] <raven3x7> othernoob, there is very few virii for linux
[07:28] <freeradicals> ahh I see
[07:28] <chaps0063> jnk: thanks!
[07:28] <tomchuk> supernix....
[07:28] <tomchuk> for i in `ls *.jpg`; do mv $i `echo $i | cut -d"-" -f1,2,5`; done
[07:28] <nebular> tritium, that was it, nevered used a display manager before, when I ened the session, it didn't restart X so I was using the old version of xorg.conf
[07:28] <jnk> freeradicals, you have several workspaces in ubuntu :) (don't think you have that in windows without third-party programs?)
[07:28] <nebular> works great now
[07:28] <Trackilizer> does anyones aMSN freze
[07:28] <freeradicals> In a way microsoft is like nazis with their restrictions
[07:28] <tritium> nebular, super :)
[07:28] <Trackilizer> mine freezes everytime i login
[07:29] <^DodGeR^> there certainly is no ActiveX by default on any linux , so that in itself is a win :)
[07:29] <jnk> freeradicals, you can type "for i in `ls *.jpg`; do mv $i `echo $i | cut -d"-" -f1,2,5`; done" in ubuntu )
[07:29] <tomchuk> supernix,  that should rename the file you gave me, to 7-16-0252.jpg
[07:29] <supernix> tomchuk is that something I execute on the shell line ?
[07:29] <tomchuk> yup
[07:29] <freeradicals> jnk, ?
[07:29] <^DodGeR^> hrhr
[07:29] <othernoob> raven3x7: i know.. my question was rethorical...
[07:29] <tomchuk> supernix,  I'd make a copy of the files first, just in case ;)
[07:30] <supernix> :D
[07:30] <cion> anyone can help me with usb wireless installation card?
[07:30] <tomchuk> supernix,  or try it on just a few
[07:30] <jnk> freeradicals, if you ever decide to learn some commands, you can do very powerfull things just by typing a command in a terminal
[07:30] <tomchuk> supernix,  that command will rename all *.jpg in the current directory
[07:30] <othernoob> yea..like sudo rm -rf * ;)
[07:30] <kbrooks> othernoob, HEY!
[07:31] <tritium> othernoob, please don't do that
[07:31] <othernoob> kbrooks: HEY! what?
[07:31] <othernoob> tritium: what?
[07:31] <freeradicals> thanks jnk
[07:31] <supernix> OMG ty ty ty tomchuk it worked like a charm
[07:31] <tomchuk> cool
[07:31] <jnk> freeradicals, typically, things that are boring and repetitive with windows, become a matter of typing a fun command in a terminal (maybe I should speak of looking for the right command for hours but it wouldn't be good advertising)
[07:31] <tritium> othernoob, see your previous comment
[07:31] <othernoob> tritium: and?
[07:31] <supernix> I had to redo the command to *.JPG for some reason the extension was in capitals
[07:32] <Sterminio> irc.tin.it
[07:32] <tomchuk> supernix,  gotcha
[07:32] <freeradicals> lol
[07:32] <tritium> othernoob, again, please don't post such things
[07:32] <othernoob> tritium: what is your problem?
[07:32] <wingsline> hello
[07:32] <freeradicals> but of course there are websites that list commands
[07:32] <tritium> othernoob, it's not mine, dude
[07:32] <thierry> X is not broken anymore in breezy, just updated
[07:32] <supernix> tomchuk you sure saved my bacon it would have taken a long time to rename all those pics I think there was around 150 of them
[07:32] <othernoob> tritium: of course not...who elses?
[07:33] <wingsline> I have a question: why the firefox ubuntu package is much slower than the original package from mozilla?
[07:33] <tritium> othernoob, please stop
[07:33] <tomchuk> supernix,  if you don't mind kde apps, there's one called krename that will give you a gui to rename files
[07:33] <jnk> freeradicals, yes but the window where you type commands, there's a program listening to your commands in there, which interprets them, and it's a whole programming language so things can get quite complicated :)
[07:33] <othernoob> tritium: what the fuck is wrong with you? either tell me what your problem is with my comment or shush ;)
[07:33] <jnk> and of course you have the choice between a dozen of interpreters, each with its own language
[07:33] <wingsline> I did the http://scragz.com/tech/mozilla/test-rendering-time.php test on both, and on ubuntu version it did 7 seconds, and on original 3 sec
[07:34] <freeradicals> Im going to college to learn some languages, but at the moment Im really n00bie on commands
[07:35] <freeradicals> How come ububuntu is free? where does the money come from?
[07:35] <supernix> kewl ty for the info tomchuk I shall look for it as I use KDE :D
[07:35] <marcin> ok guys yet another question today
[07:35] <marcin> how to configure xorg server to drop shadows?
[07:36] <bluefoxicy> It's unbelieveable that there's no KeePass-like program for Linux
[07:36] <bluefoxicy> aside from a crappy Qt program, and a crappy TCL/TK program
[07:36] <bluefoxicy> (comparing them is like comparing Notepad to OpenOffice.org2 Writer)
[07:37] <urbanfox> hey blue
[07:37] <bluefoxicy> hi urban.
[07:37] <urbanfox> have you taken a look at simplekde?
[07:37] <urbanfox> before it got slashdotted?
[07:37] <urbanfox> because I haven't!
[07:37] <bluefoxicy> no
[07:37] <urbanfox> but the idea sounds like something we need
[07:37] <urbanfox> a stripped down DE that doesn't look utterly horrid
[07:37] <bluefoxicy> but if it's Qt based then it's evil.
[07:37] <urbanfox> what's wrong with Qt?
[07:38] <bluefoxicy> well
[07:38] <bluefoxicy> considering that 95s-99% of linux apps are GTK+
[07:38] <bluefoxicy> they don't look quite right in a KDE environment
[07:38] <marcin> ok googling was faster
[07:38] <marcin> please don't answer
[07:38] <bluefoxicy> even if you skin them like Qt, the save/print/open dialogs are all different.
[07:38] <Pro_Newbie> How to download from FTP server (via wget) with difrent user name and password??
[07:38] <bluefoxicy> So
[07:38] <bluefoxicy> users go
[07:39] <urbanfox> so it's only evil based onlack of use
[07:39] <bluefoxicy> "WHAT THE FUCK ALL THESE THINGS ARE DIFFERENT WHY LINUX MUST HAVE ITS HEAD UP ITS ASS"
[07:39] <bluefoxicy> OK urban
[07:39] <tomchuk> Pro_Newbie,  wget ftp://user:pass@server
[07:39] <bluefoxicy> let's try this approach.
[07:39] <freeradicals> hello again
[07:39] <bluefoxicy> If you sit in front of a computer and some windows and dialogs on it look like MacOSX and others look like WIndows
[07:39] <bluefoxicy> are you going to think it's a well-designed OS, or are you going to think that the developers are all confused and lost and in their own world?
[07:39] <freeradicals> how is it possible to run ubuntu when windows xp is already factory installed
[07:40] <bluefoxicy> Using KDE means either dealing with what oloks like a hacked-up pile of trash, or using ALL KDE apps
[07:40] <tomchuk> bluefoxicy,  Linux is hardly alone in that respect - MS office on windows, pinstripe/brushed metal on OS X
[07:40] <bluefoxicy> tomchuk:  Yeah, though office is its own fault.
[07:40] <bluefoxicy> and historically doesn't office serve as a testbed for new designs?
[07:40] <tomchuk> bluefoxicy,  or you can use gtk-qt engine under kde
[07:40] <jcarr> office is amazing... it's even a platform!
[07:40] <[2] BoxingFiend> 
[07:40] <[2] BoxingFiend>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               !grub
[07:40] <ubotu> [grub]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[07:41] <[2] BoxingFiend> 
[07:41] <jcarr> [2] BoxingFiend, nice :)
[07:41] <bluefoxicy> tomchuk:  gtk-qt-engine won't make the GTK dialog box look like a Windows mock-up
[07:41] <freeradicals> argh what was that!?
[07:41] <bluefoxicy> which is what Qt's looks like.
[07:41] <bluefoxicy> It'll leave it looking like the Gnome dialog boxes.
[07:41] <freeradicals> are there such thing as picture/graphic enabled ircchatrooms
[07:41] <bluefoxicy> which means that for a typical user, the buttons moved around, things are different, this isn't what I'm used to, and I should use a program that isn't a piece of shit
[07:41] <Pro_Newbie> tomchuk: yea but how to specify which file to download
[07:42] <tomchuk> Pro_Newbie,  wget ftp://user:pass@server/path/to/file.ext
[07:42] <tomchuk> Pro_Newbie,  or just use a real ftp client like lftp
[07:42] <Pro_Newbie> aha 10x
[07:43] <bluefoxicy> anyway
[07:43] <jaduagarr84> clear
[07:43] <freeradicals> irc.dalnet.net
[07:43] <freeradicals> how do I get onto the dalnet server??
[07:43] <freeradicals> or channel? ;(
[07:44] <jaduagarr84> dalnet is different irc server
[07:45] <Pro_Newbie> hum
[07:45] <ermac`> how do i start bittorrent?
[07:45] <[2] BoxingFiend> !info azureus
[07:46] <tomchuk> ermac`,  btdownload{curses,gui} file.torrent
[07:46] <ermac`> :|
[07:46] <ermac`> is bittorrent shellbased?
[07:47] <tomchuk> ermac`,  there's a wxgtk gui for the original client and bittornado
[07:47] <ermac`> how do i get it?
[07:47] <ermac`> tomchuk
[07:48] <jaduagarr84> ermac: you can also use gnome-bittorent which is installed w/ ubuntu
[07:48] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: Do you have svg versions of your smaller icons? I just noticed that gnome-util only has a 22x22 version which makes it look like ass in Smeg at 42x42. :)
[07:48] <tomchuk> ermac`,  you should have a client installed by default see jaduagarr84's comment
[07:49] <Schonhose> Hi all, can anybody explain how I can fix my Gnome printersettings?
[07:49] <Schonhose> it says CUPS isn't running, but it is
[07:50] <ermac`> how do install gnome bittorrent?
[07:50] <tim> Desperate question: is there a way for me (using Ubuntu 5.0.4 on an older white iBook) to dim the screen brightness?
[07:50] <tomchuk> ermac`,  should be installed aready -> go to the network section in you application menu
[07:51] <jaduagarr84> ermac`: it should be installed already if your using ubuntu
[07:51] <tim> I'm low on battery, and every little bit helps :)
[07:51] <ermac`> using kubuntu...
[07:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> did anyone know that bill gates was knighted? O_O
[07:51] <Schonhose> ermac`, tried apt-get already?
[07:51] <tim> Using the screen brightness button (shared with F1) just switches among my Chatzilla tabs. Which is a neat thing to be able to do, but not what I want at the moment :)
[07:52] <jasoncohen> tim, that's usually done directly via the hardware with a key combination. here it's fn + left and fn + right
[07:52] <Amaranth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Just an honorary knighting, he isn't a british citizen
[07:52] <Schonhose> ChurcH_of_FoamY, no, did he? The old fashioned way by sword?
[07:52] <ermac`> schonbose wath is the package name of the gnome-bittorent?
[07:52] <^DodGeR^> when was this ChurcH_of_FoamY
[07:52] <tim> jasoncohen: you are a life saver.
[07:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i gusse and why would anyone give him an honerary knighting?
[07:52] <jasoncohen> tim, it worked?
[07:52] <kevin> tritium: hello
[07:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what are they stupid thats just like sayin we beleve in you for putting out crappy software
[07:53] <Schonhose> ermac`, try apt-cache search bittorrent
[07:53] <tim> jasoncohen: in this case, it's Function+F1 (dim) / F2 (brighten)
[07:53] <hybrid_goth> anyone know what Nvu is?
[07:53] <tritium> kevin, hi
[07:53] <tim> But Yes :)
[07:53] <jasoncohen> tim, makes sense
[07:53] <chris12349> has anyone installed beagle on hoary? and if so is it stable?
[07:53] <tomchuk> hybrid_goth,  yes...
[07:53] <Schonhose> ChurcH_of_FoamY, if it was by sword the world would be a better place if they made a mistake
[07:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> may 2 05
[07:53] <hybrid_goth> tomchuk: what is it
[07:53] <tim> jasoncohen: Thought I'd tried every combination before, but must have skipped that (in retrospect, obvious) one. Thanks.
[07:53] <kevin> tritium: how are you today? I am using the wireless at a cafe........hehehe it is working great!
[07:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Schonhose yup ^_^
[07:53] <tritium> kevin, I'm great, thanks.  I'm glad it's working for you :)
[07:54] <tomchuk> hybrid_goth,  app to design webpages for those who don't feel like spending 20 mins to learn html ;)
[07:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> sorry bill diden't mean to cut off the top part of your head >.<
[07:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but eh ya diden't need it anyway
[07:54] <hybrid_goth> tomchuk: ah lol.
[07:54] <tomchuk> http://www.nvu.com/
[07:54] <hybrid_goth> tomchuk: i was reading a /. interview with mitchel from mozilla and he was discussing Nvu
[07:54] <chillywilly> nvu sucks
[07:55] <chillywilly> imho
[07:55] <Gnobody> ?
[07:55] <marv_> hi
[07:55] <kevin> well, must go didn't buy anything just wanted to test it out lol
[07:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> read this bunch of bs guys
[07:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=1014152&page=1
[07:57] <marv_> got a stupid question...how do i set root password in ubuntu?^^
[07:58] <Schonhose> ok question... how do I disable the quiting messages in X-Chat?
[07:58] <^DodGeR^> sudo su - << then passwd
[07:58] <marv_> i installed two times and the installer didn't ask a password...
[07:58] <Schonhose> marv_, try sudo su << passwd
[07:59] <ptlo> marv_, the philosophy is that you don't need to log in as root. use your normal account and then use 'sudo' for tasks which require root privileges
[07:59] <marv_> ok thx =)
[08:00] <Schonhose> how do I disable the annoying quit messages and join messages????
[08:00] <kbrooks> !tell
[08:00] <desrt> Schonhose; depends on your client.. but some form of /ignore
[08:00] <desrt> probably like /ignore *!*@* JOIN PART
[08:01] <Schonhose> desrt, X-Chat ;)
[08:01] <auk> !info recover
[08:01] <ubotu> recover: (Undelete files on ext2 partitions), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.3c-8 (hoary), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 104 kB
[08:01] <desrt> ^^ try that one
[08:01] <desrt> oh.. also QUIT
[08:01] <desrt> JOIN PART QUIT
[08:01] <auk> Schonose: rioght click on the tab you want to disable
[08:02] <auk> Schonhose: *
[08:02] <Schonhose> auk, thanks
[08:02] <auk> np
[08:02] <desrt> fancy xchat youngin's
[08:02] <marv_> to execute apps with sudo a password is asked :-/
[08:02] <desrt> marv_; it's your user' password
[08:02] <desrt> like, your normal login password
[08:03] <marv_> ah thx that was easy^
[08:03] <marv_> :D
[08:03] <desrt> someone needs to patch sudo to replace the first-use lecture with a "this is your normal login password" message
[08:04] <kbrooks> desrt, wouldnt be a good idea to include this in upstream yknow
[08:04] <desrt> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1813
[08:04] <rcsarver> hello, i am an absolute noob. can anyone help me install java for firefox?
[08:05] <Schonhose> rcsarver, yeah I can
[08:05] <tritium> !java
[08:05] <ubotu> well, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin.
[08:05] <Schonhose> it involves some command line work though
[08:05] <kbrooks> Schonhose, why would he use the CLI?'
[08:05] <rcsarver> that isn't a problem
[08:05] <kbrooks> cli == evil to newbies
[08:05] <tritium> kbrooks, java-package
[08:06] <Snuffkin> Hi
[08:06] <Schonhose> kbrooks, mainly cause that's the only way I know how :+
[08:06] <kbrooks> Schonhose, !java rules
[08:06] <truz24> I wonder why Php5 isn't in the ubuntu repositories
[08:06] <tritium> Schonhose, the java-package method?  java-package is definitely the preferred method.
[08:07] <Snuffkin> I'm trying to get the livecd working, but X won't start. I use an ATI Radeon X800 PCIE card, and I think the PCIE may have something to do with it
[08:07] <Schonhose> hmmm perhaps I'm a bit outdated
[08:07] <Schonhose> seems I could save a lot of hassle with the java-package method :o
[08:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ha! reading another articule that says some jounalists have even throughn an actual pie in gates face ^_^
[08:07] <tritium> :)
[08:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yay
[08:08] <Schonhose> you guys won't believe the troubles I had with java
[08:09] <jasoncohen> there appears to be something wrong with hoary's gnome-cups-manager. when i first installed my system, i enabled LAN Printer Detection and my networked Epson Color C84 from my sarge box appeared automatically. now it no longer appears. i had to manually add it. any idea why?
[08:09] <Pro_Newbie> How to enable Cyrilic support in Kopete???
[08:09] <Belutz> !java
[08:09] <ubotu> hmm... java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin.
[08:09] <Pro_Newbie> I tried with CP-1251 but nothing happens
[08:11] <FloK> hi. newbie coming from gentoo
[08:11] <tritium> welcome FloK :)
[08:11] <FloK> just installed, allfine except mouse
[08:12] <Schonhose> FloK, don't be alarmed but most of us are newbies
[08:12] <FloK> and how do i set the root passwd?
[08:12] <Belutz> yup... i'm a newbie too :D
[08:12] <Schonhose> however not always in the world of Linux ;)
[08:12] <tritium> FloK, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:12] <robert_pectol> I've written a fairly-automated firewall script for Ubuntu that provides stateful packet inspection.  It supports many of the more common servers (more can be added easily) and it has the ability to automatically detect network settings such as IP, Network, Netmask, Gateway, and whether or not it's in private IP space, etc.  It's very configurable and easy to use.  I've even written a simple init script for it for loa
[08:12] <robert_pectol> ding it automatically upon booting.  Anyone care to take a gander at it or possibly run it and tell me what they think.  I'm looking for suggestions.
[08:12] <FloK> Schonhose, np, as i know linux well
[08:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i hate m$ but want to work as him for 1 day he makes $300.00 a second O_o
[08:12] <Belutz> flodine: sudo passwd root
[08:12] <Belutz> oops
[08:12] <Belutz> FloK: sudo passwd root , i think
[08:13] <tomchuk> !root
[08:13] <ubotu> I guess root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:13] <Schonhose> FloK, I was trying to make a joke O_o
[08:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can you beleve that 300 dollars a second thats wack i'd like to rob him on payday
[08:13] <Schonhose> ChurcH_of_FoamY, why the sudden interest in billy-boy?
[08:14] <kbrooks> OK
[08:14] <kbrooks> I updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[08:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i typed into google "how many people hate bill gates"
[08:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and it was one of the articuls that poped up
[08:14] <kbrooks> !java
[08:14] <ubotu> [java]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin.
[08:14] <Harold> kbrooks: Cool, I'm checking it out
[08:14] <tritium> kbrooks, ugh, the preferred method is java-package, and should have remained method 1
[08:15] <kbrooks> tritium, um, scroll down
[08:15] <marv_> does anyone know how to run two screens? i want to expand the desktop to the sevond screen
[08:15] <marv_> *second
[08:15] <PLaf> i have a problem installing ubuntu. my bios is too old to boot to cd's, i tried using SBM on a floppy but it keeps saying "SBMK BAD!", now i am at a loss
[08:15] <Belutz> Harold: are you going to install J2SE ?
[08:15] <FloK> Schonhose, i see :) btw how long does ubuntu exist?
[08:15] <Riggzy> Just finished downloading the Kubuntu DVD - just wanted to ask - how easy is it to install kubuntu on 60 gigs of unpartitioned space? is tehre a graphical partition wizard like in FC installtions?
[08:15] <stempien> hey could anyone help me? after typing login and password (in X prompt) and pushing enter i get brown screen and nothing more
[08:15] <FloK> 3month?
[08:15] <stempien> gnome does not start
[08:16] <Harold> Belutz: Don't know.  Why should I?
[08:16] <stempien> though there is gnome-session process
[08:16] <Schonhose> FloK, ubuntu in general or the hoary release?
[08:16] <tritium> kbrooks, my bad ;)
[08:16] <tomchuk> Riggzy,  curses installer, but more logical than redhat
[08:16] <IFRFLYR> Hi got a firestarter problem: when it's on, I can't get to google -- apparently google sends packets back at me? Anyone hear of this problem before?
[08:16] <Belutz> Harold: ow i thought you want to install java, sorry
[08:16] <FloK> ubuntu in general Schonhose
[08:16] <__DeMi> IFRFLYR
[08:16] <Riddell> Riggzy: did you download it from bittorrent?
[08:16] <__DeMi> can you ping any host?
[08:16] <Schonhose> FloK, first release was in october 2004 (hence the version number 4.10)
[08:16] <Riggzy> Riddell - yep
[08:17] <Belutz> tritium: are the one who going to install java?
[08:17] <IFRFLYR> _DeMi, yes?
[08:17] <Riddell> Riggzy: i386?
[08:17] <Harold> Belutz: Don't be sorry; I'm just wondering why I would need to.  If I'm a developer or something?
[08:17] <__DeMi> can you ping google?
[08:17] <tritium> Belutz, no, but thanks :)
[08:17] <Riggzy> Riddell - yep, this is *K*ubuntu now lol
[08:17] <__DeMi> can you load any other page?
[08:17] <FloK> if i do sudo -s in console and enter my user pw i dont have root perms
[08:17] <Schonhose> FloK, second release april this year (5.04) and the upcomming will be 5.10
[08:17] <FloK> ok
[08:17] <IFRFLYR> _DeMi, yes!
[08:17] <__DeMi> but you cant load google
[08:17] <Riddell> Riggzy: thanks (someone was complaining the powerpc torrent was not seeded, good to know the i386 one is)
[08:17] <IFRFLYR> Correct.
[08:18] <IFRFLYR> I can if firestarter is off
[08:18] <Riddell> Riggzy: there's no graphical partitioning but it's fairly straight-forward
[08:18] <Belutz> Harold, tritium : because i'm going to install it... and still don't know how, just read the wiki and trying to install it
[08:18] <IFRFLYR> I can ping whether it's off or on
[08:18] <__DeMi> thats weard because google is, afaik, a normal webpage
[08:18] <Harold> nalioth_wrkn: Are you available by any chabnce?
[08:18] <IFRFLYR> Me too.
[08:18] <Riggzy> Riddell - it took me a good 20 hours but the speed was pretty constant (around 50kb/s)
[08:18] <ptlo> hmm...out of pure curiosity, where did the version numbers for warty, hoary and breezy come from?
[08:18] <PLaf> does anyone have thoughts on my problem?
[08:18] <doonz> Linux 2.6.10-5-386 i686 Thats what my system script just said im using
[08:18] <Harold> Anyone know how to get SSL into dillo or links?
[08:18] <tritium> Belutz, if you need help, just ask.  The preferred method is using java-package, but we realize that other methods may be easier for you.
[08:18] <Schonhose> ptlo, I just told that ;)
[08:18] <doonz> Candover -386?  At least install the -k7 kernel package.
[08:18] <jasoncohen> anyone else having problems getting gnome-cups-manager to show remote printers?
[08:18] <tomchuk> ptlo,  year.month
[08:18] <IFRFLYR> I look at inbound problems on Firestarter and I see inbound from  Source: 72.14.207.99
[08:18] <doonz> and thats what some guy said to use?
[08:18] <IFRFLYR> which is a google domain. . . . .
[08:18] <__DeMi> u~IFRFLYR, can you load an other google page, ie google.co.uk
[08:18] <__DeMi> or something?
[08:18] <Schonhose> ptlo, year.month ;)
[08:18] <Belutz> tritium: what's the other method?
[08:18] <ptlo> Schonhose, oh! :) missed that line .) thanks! :)
[08:19] <Schonhose> ptlo, np, it tends to get confusing sometimes ;)
[08:19] <tritium> Belutz, those listed on the wiki, primarily
[08:19] <robert_pectol> IFRFLYR:   Can you get to any other Websites when Firestarter is active?
[08:19] <h08817> hey everyone
[08:19] <ptlo> cool thing to do, btw :) with all the meaningless version # bloating going on in other distros....
[08:19] <IFRFLYR> robert_pectol, yes, indeed I can. It seems limited to google!
[08:19] <__DeMi> u~IFRFLYR, can you load an other google page, ie google.co.uk
[08:19] <h08817> i had a problem with the install
[08:19] <IFRFLYR> _DeMi, no!
[08:19] <PLaf> *taps his microphone* is this thing on
[08:19] <__DeMi> strage
[08:19] <__DeMi> strange
[08:19] <IFRFLYR> I agree
[08:19] <tritium> jasoncohen, did you click on "Global Settings->Detect LAN Printers" ?
[08:19] <Schonhose> h08817, what?
[08:20] <h08817> it installs
[08:20] <IFRFLYR> It's ONLY google which causes this problem it seems.
[08:20] <Belutz> tritium: so i still have to download 131mb... hehehe
[08:20] <FloK> ok now it works (sudo)
[08:20] <Schonhose> h08817, that's a problem?
[08:20] <h08817> but then the first boot it says it has to install the rest of the packages so i take out the cd when it tell me to and it rebots
[08:20] <__DeMi> u~IFRFLYR, i assume you can reach google with other pc's in your network?
[08:20] <Schonhose> h08817, ok
[08:20] <tritium> Belutz, for the .bin ?
[08:20] <h08817> but then the screen fills with the word GRUB
[08:20] <__DeMi> and with firestarter off?
[08:20] <h08817> and just sits there
[08:20] <IFRFLYR> _DeMi, yes  and yes
[08:21] <h08817> Schonhose: any ideas?
[08:21] <__DeMi> very odd, did you check the firestarter config
[08:21] <Belutz> tritium: maybe... it's from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/install-linux.html
[08:21] <__DeMi> and see if there are any host specific settings?
[08:21] <__DeMi> you can for instance run a sudo iptables -nL
[08:21] <__DeMi> to check if there are google.com specific rules loaded
[08:21] <Belutz> tritium: yup, it's the .bin file
[08:21] <IFRFLYR> I'll checkc. .  . .
[08:21] <tritium> Belutz, yes, grab the .bin, and not the .rpm
[08:21] <PLaf> h08817, the only thing i can think of is reinstalling and configuring grub
[08:22] <tritium> Then, follow the wiki instructions for java-package
[08:22] <robert_pectol> IFRFLYR:   Do a, "dig google.com" and get the IP addresses for it.  Then, do a, "iptables -t filter -L -nv | grep google.ip.address." for each address resolved.  If there is a rule that is blocking google, that will find it... hopefully!
[08:22] <h08817> how do i just install grub?
[08:22] <IFRFLYR> Well, sudo iptables -nL | grep google given me nada
[08:22] <tritium> h08817, did it not install?
[08:22] <Harold> Anyone know how to get ssl into a browser?
[08:22] <PLaf> boot in rescue mode on the cd
[08:22] <tritium> sudo grub-install
[08:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok there are just too many webpages about gates >.< the internet needs to be reset
[08:22] <IFRFLYR> Hmmmm robert_pectol....Thanks for that advice!
[08:22] <h08817> tritium:  it installed it prompted me to take out cd and do the first boot
[08:23] <h08817> tritium: then the screen filled with GRUB
[08:23] <jasoncohen> tritium, yes i did
[08:23] <h08817> tritium: and that is my problem it never went to linux
[08:23] <jasoncohen> tritium, it just stopped detecting my LAN printer today but i think i know why
[08:23] <tritium> h08817, ah, strange
[08:23] <tritium> jasoncohen, oh, okay
[08:23] <robert_pectol> IFRFLYR:   Good luck and let us know if you find anything
[08:23] <h08817> tritium: any ideas? i reinstalled it  but same error
[08:23] <marv_> !nvidia
[08:23] <ubotu> well, nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:23] <Harold> Using the Terminal makes me feel smarter, LOL.
[08:23] <^DodGeR^> u have another linux distro running h08817 , or just ubuntu ?
[08:23] <tritium> h08817, no, sorry.  That's unusual
[08:23] <hybrid_goth> Harold: heh
[08:24] <jasoncohen> tritium, when firestarter is enabled, the LAN printer isn't shown. when it's disabled, it is shown
[08:24] <h08817> ^DodGeR^:  nope nothing was on the hd
[08:24] <^DodGeR^> and is your ubuntu drive some lurgy filesystem or on some weird HDD h08817  ?
[08:24] <tritium> jasoncohen, yeah, I didn't realize you had a firewall setup
[08:24] <IFRFLYR> _DeMi and robert_pectol.... ran sudo iptables -t filter -L -nv | grep 216 (the start of all public google addresses) and got nothing. . . .
[08:24] <jasoncohen> tritium, strangely, i don't see any blocked connections for the last day- and nothing on port 631
[08:24] <h08817> ^DodGeR^:  the file system is fat16
[08:24] <tritium> h08817, you may need to enable LBA in your BIOS
[08:24] <frostyfedora> hi all does anyone know how to integrate xsane on ubuntu (not under root :-)
[08:24] <Belutz> tritium: ow the .bin file only 46.51mb
[08:24] <jasoncohen> CUPS only needs port 631 to broadcast, right?
[08:24] <tritium> jasoncohen, I think you're on the right track
[08:24] <h08817> tritium: what does lba do exactly?
[08:25] <jasoncohen> tritium, and the strangest part is that it works fine if i do it manually
[08:25] <h08817> tritium: and why would that make a difference?
[08:25] <^DodGeR^> you should partition an ext2 /boot (say 256MB)  , and then whatever else u got as '/' ext3 h08817
[08:25] <tritium> h08817, it's logical block addressing, and it is sometimes necessary
[08:25] <h08817> ^DodGeR^: thats all i need is 256mb for linux?
[08:25] <^DodGeR^> no 256MB for /boot, say 10GB for /
[08:26] <abarbaccia> hey whats the package name for the engine amarok needs to use to play
[08:26] <^DodGeR^> and swap
[08:26] <h08817> ^DodGeR^: its a small hd 450MB
[08:26] <^DodGeR^> howmuch space u want to give ubuntu h08817  ? in total ?
[08:26] <other|study> ^DodGeR^: 256mb for /boot? what for?
[08:26] <h08817> ^DodGeR^: all of it
[08:26] <robert_pectol> IFRFLYR:   You might need to substitute grep for egrep and use a regexp instead.  Maybe its blocking a network range which google is located in...
[08:26] <tim> back to work, cannot read in here right now ;)
[08:26] <^DodGeR^> ugg
[08:26] <h08817> ^DodGeR^: i only did the server intall
[08:26] <jasoncohen> tritium, and here's the weirdest part- i have a policy to allow ALL connections from the private IP Of the cups server
[08:26] <^DodGeR^> 450MB in total ?
[08:26] <jadedstar> Hi all. whats the URI for the apps menu in Ubuntu?
[08:26] <jasoncohen> tritium, so the firewall shouldn't matter
[08:26] <^DodGeR^> ahh
[08:26] <tritium> jasoncohen, yeah, very odd
[08:27] <Belutz> tritium: so i just follow the steps on the wiki page right?
[08:27] <jasoncohen> maybe there are issues with CUPS and firestarter
[08:27] <h08817> ^DodGeR^: so any ideas?
[08:27] <^DodGeR^> other|study,  for some kernels (and backups and some conf files if needed , if he has 80GB he can spare 256) right ? hehe
[08:27] <tritium> Belutz, yep
[08:27] <Belutz> tritium: ok, thx :D
[08:27] <^DodGeR^> didnt think he had only 450MB in total
[08:27] <h08817> i guess i'll have to turn on lba and see what happens
[08:27] <tritium> h08817, I would try enabling LBA in your bios.  It may be that simple.
[08:27] <^DodGeR^> no clues about the server install h08817
[08:27] <other|study> quite a few kernels and backups if you ask me..
[08:27] <orangerange> helllo, i was working on a small document in gedit. and now it's stuck. all other programs are working. How can i give CPR to this program?
[08:27] <frostyfedora> dodger: can you please tell me a getaround for xsane (only starts under root) thnx
[08:28] <Razor-X> frostyfedora: a workaround for xsane?
[08:28] <h08817> tritium:  and then it might just install the rest of the packages by enabling lba?
[08:28] <jasoncohen> tritium, it must be firestarter. as soon as i disable the firewall, it shows the lan printer
[08:28] <^DodGeR^> huhu ?
[08:28] <frostyfedora>  razor: yep : it only starts under root :-(
[08:28] <jasoncohen> tritium, i even added a new entry to allow all connections on port 631 TCP/UDP as well as the general acceptance of all incoming connections from 192.168.0.4 (the printer server)
[08:29] <robert_pectol> IFRFLYR:   pipe it through egrep '^first_two.octets' and see if it finds a rule...
[08:29] <orangerange> the cursor in gedit is blinking when i select this program, but when i try to type, there's no output. Can anyone tell me how to give CPR to this program?
[08:29] <jasoncohen> should i post a bug in bugzilla or directly with firestarter
[08:29] <Razor-X> frostyfedora: chmod and chown the directory under your username and give yourself privileges
[08:29] <tritium> h08817, it should fix grub as far as bootloading.  See this for more info: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-faq.html
[08:29] <IFRFLYR> robert_pectol... Looking. . . .
[08:29] <hosler> Help. I cant get sound with zsnes for linux. I also have esound all configured to let other programs use the dsp device when its not using it. Anyone know whats wrong?
[08:29] <frostyfedora> razor : cheers!!!
[08:29] <h08817> ok thanks
[08:29] <Razor-X> frostyfedora: heh
[08:29] <tritium> jasoncohen, must be firestarter, which I've never used.  I'm not sure how to advise you on that.
[08:30] <PLaf> hey guys, my computer is too old to boot to cd, i tried putting SBM on a floppy and all that did was display "SBMK BAD!", now im at a loss, can anyone help?
[08:30] <tritium> What's up Razor-X?  How's the set theory coming?  :)
[08:30] <Razor-X> I don't really think many have the skill to break through my hardware firewall into my Linux box
[08:30] <jasoncohen> tritium, it must be. each time i disable firestarter the printer shows up
[08:30] <orangerange> aynone?
[08:30] <Belutz> anyone can suggest a good front-end for database that support various database such as MySQL, MS SQL Server and Oracle?
[08:30] <Razor-X> but, if you do, then ... errr... i'm insignificant ;)
[08:30] <Razor-X> tritium: am reading Spivak's book on Calculus
[08:31] <Razor-X> still, it assumes a comfortability with trig functions that I don't have quite yet
[08:31] <robert_pectol> IFRFLYR:   Incidentally, I've written a firewall script for Ubuntu... Care to give it a try?
[08:31] <orangerange> what does "renice" (in top) mean?
[08:31] <Razor-X> robert_pectol: you're an iptables master? ;)
[08:31] <tritium> Razor-X, cool
[08:31] <Razor-X> tritium: i've also learned LaTeX
[08:31] <robert_pectol> not really!!!
[08:31] <nebular> how do I go about changing the default priority level for apt or synaptic?
[08:31] <tritium> Razor-X, ah, brilliant!
[08:32] <^DodGeR^> robert_pectol, what the url to it ? ill try it next time ive botoed ubuntu
[08:32] <ptlo> orangerange: change/changed cpu priority (lower is better, -20 is the best)
[08:32] <Razor-X> robert_pectol:
[08:32] <Razor-X> errr
[08:32] <Razor-X> robert_pectol: regardless, if you did it with iptables, that takes definite skill
[08:32] <Razor-X> I'm stuck with IE on this box... it's so stupid
[08:32] <Razor-X> ah well, an SSH session helps a lot
[08:32] <Razor-X> and the fact that I can switch the keyboard to Dvorak if need be
[08:32] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: portable firefox?
[08:32] <orangerange> ptlo, gedit is already running. can i change priority still?the cpu is low right now, so i don't understand why gedit is in a seemingly frozen state. all other programs are working fine.
[08:33] <teferi> tritium: get my thing working on your end?
[08:33] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: oh yeah... I have a copy of that on this server
[08:33] <tritium> nebular, try "man apt_preferences"
[08:33] <Razor-X> but it's old... :( unfortunately
[08:33] <Di42lo> how can i take pkg with all the dependies and make one file so i can install on another ubuntu machine ?
[08:33] <tritium> teferi, no, sorry.  Not yet.
[08:33] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: its still Firefox
[08:33] <teferi> okay, sorry if i'm nagging
[08:33] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: yeah, I guess so
[08:33] <IFRFLYR> robert_pectol - possibly...What's it based on?
[08:33] <robert_pectol> IFRFLYR:   Here's the script:   http://rob.pectol.com/ubuntu-firewall.txt   Let me know what you think.  I'd like suggestions...
[08:33] <tritium> teferi, I keep staying longer than I should.  I need to get back to my real work.
[08:34] <hybrid_goth> WHAT! tritium  you have a life outside irc? OMG! :-P
[08:34] <ptlo> orangerange, it's just cpu priority. gedit is probably waiting for some I/O operation to finish (where "I/O" could be anything from reading a config file to accessing X server or sound daemon)
[08:34] <robert_pectol> Oh, and you can replace the .txt at the end with .sh for easier downloading...
[08:34] <tritium> hybrid_goth, :)
[08:34] <Belutz> anyone playing around with database?
[08:34] <IFRFLYR> Will look -  thanks!
[08:34] <orangerange> ptlo, but the only document i'm working on in gedit is my journal/diary. I've been waiting for 10 minutes now.
[08:35] <ptlo> orangerange: so giving it more CPU priority won't do the trick. anyways, you can do that even on an already running process with 'renice' command (there's probably a gui equivalent in ubuntu also, but i didn't use renice for a long time so i wouldn't know about that)
[08:35] <Will_> What do I look at?
[08:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> whats the "tmp" directory used for?
[08:35] <ptlo> orangerange, did you start gedit from the terminal/shell, i.e. manually?
[08:35] <tonyo> hey, does anyone run ubuntu on a toshiba laptop?
[08:35] <sJaM> temp files ChurcH_of_FoamY
[08:35] <orangerange> ptlo, i started it from gui-->menu-->accessories or something like that.
[08:35] <sJaM> just as the C:\Windows\Temp
[08:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> are they safe to remove?
[08:35] <hybrid_goth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: well take your fav album from bittorrent store it there and you will be pissed
[08:35] <sJaM> in windows
[08:35] <sJaM> why would you
[08:35] <sJaM> will be automatically done
[08:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[08:36] <sJaM> they are actually not on your hd
[08:36] <sJaM> but on your ramdisk if I have it right
[08:36] <robert_pectol> IFRFLYR:   It uses iptables... pretty easy to configure... should work fine but still in "beta" though :-)
[08:36] <hybrid_goth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: figured that out the hard way
[08:36] <jasoncohen> well, firestarter has to be the problem
[08:36] <jasoncohen> i restarted with firestarter disabled and the LAN printer was detected. i'll post a comment on the firestarter forum and make a bug report on ubuntu's bugzilla
[08:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ouch thats where bit looks for files?
[08:37] <hybrid_goth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: no thats where i saved my cradle of filth album and couldnt find it the next day
[08:37] <orangerange> anyone. how can i resuscitate gedit?
[08:37] <sJaM> hehe hybrid_goth
[08:37] <sJaM> that isn't very clever
[08:37] <hybrid_goth> sJaM: I know.
[08:37] <Razor-X> orangerange: ressurect?
[08:37] <^DodGeR^> robert_pectol, looks pretty decent from quick read :) can i ask u a q though , im looking for 1-3 commands to enable internet-sharing , ie route from 192.168.1.X via me out on an interface - so wifey can surf
[08:38] <Razor-X> a question for you graphical text editor users -- stuck on a box without said text editor, what would you do?
[08:38] <ptlo> orangerange, hmm......you could in theory run strace (process tracing) on it and see where it's stuck, but if you're unfammiliar with unix programming that won't do much help. i suggest you close it and start it again (if the problem persists, run it from the terminal, it might give some error output there)
[08:38] <tritium> orangerange, is it locked up?  Can you just kill it and restart it?
[08:38] <^DodGeR^> i dont want to ahve to runa  big script/firewall for that , just two or soe iptables commands to route her out through me
[08:38] <Razor-X> and no ability to forward an X session
[08:38] <orangerange> Razor-X, it's not totally dead yet. It's on my panel. the cursor is blnking, but i can't make it work. i can't even do a force quit from the panel (right-click icon, select "close")
[08:38] <hybrid_goth> how do i forward a port
[08:38] <sJaM> just learn iptables ^DodGeR^
[08:38] <sJaM> it isn't that difficult
[08:39] <orangerange> tritium, i can kill it, but i might lose some stuff i've typed
[08:39] <robert_pectol> ^DodGeR^:   Pretty easy indeed!
[08:39] <sJaM> the basic stuff isn't difficult
[08:39] <Razor-X> orangerange: open up a terminal and type in "xkill" and hit enter
[08:39] <hybrid_goth> bbl
[08:39] <^DodGeR^> yeah but itll take me a while , i want 3 commands that i can memorize
[08:39] <^DodGeR^> hehe
[08:39] <tritium> orangerange, do you have multiple windows open?  Is there an open dialog box that's hidden?
[08:39] <Razor-X> orangerange: you can't do anything about it, your stuff is probably lost
[08:40] <sJaM> you need to configure a router
[08:40] <sJaM> or a firewall
[08:40] <orangerange> tritium, i don't see any dialog box. I hit escape from the main gedit window to make sure.
[08:40] <Pro_Newbie> Can someone tell me which is the cyrilic layout ? I mean whicho the many ISO-**** and CP-****
[08:40] <Razor-X> 'cept gedit probably comes with an auto-backup thing
[08:40] <^DodGeR^> i want to ./wifey-surf and ./wifey-nosurf
[08:40] <tritium> orangerange, just checking
[08:40] <^DodGeR^> and as i said commands i can memorize hehe
[08:40] <Razor-X> so, maybe you have it backed up now
[08:41] <XRayNuke> ^DodGeR^: just write a script and memorize the name of the scriprt
[08:41] <Razor-X> anyways, it's time I leave
[08:41] <Razor-X> since I do have class and such
[08:41] <Razor-X> see yah all
[08:41] <sJaM> if you block all trafic input and ouptut except localhost
[08:41] <sJaM> you have wifi off
[08:41] <orangerange> Razor-X, i did an xill, but it reappeared and is still irresponsive.
[08:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what is an Emacs?
[08:41] <^DodGeR^> the writing opf the script is the pain .. i got 6 OS dualbooting here and move around diff pc's ..
[08:41] <^DodGeR^> cant always copy it , and cant always rewrite it
[08:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> !Emac
[08:42] <ubotu> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:42] <robert_pectol> ^DodGeR^:   I'll whip a little NAT script together for you if you like...  let me know
[08:42] <tritium> ChurcH_of_FoamY, it's an editor/kitchen sink that people seem to either love or hate
[08:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[08:42] <^DodGeR^> robert just two commands , if u know them off your ehad anyways .. else ill look into it myself
[08:42] <^DodGeR^> i dotn want to have to install firewalls (56k modem here)
[08:43] <sJaM> just like vim ChurcH_of_FoamY
[08:43] <sJaM> there is the Church of Emacs
[08:43] <robert_pectol> ^DodGeR^:   ok... here goes (there are 3 - I think)
[08:43] <robert_pectol> ^DodGeR^:   $IPT -t nat -A POSTROUTING --out-interface $EXTIF -j SNAT --to-source $EXTIP
[08:43] <robert_pectol> ^DodGeR^:   $IPT -A FORWARD -o $EXTIF -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
[08:44] <robert_pectol> ^DodGeR^:   $IPT -A FORWARD -o $INTIF -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
[08:44] <orangerange> bye
[08:44] <^DodGeR^> less the better :) lemme boot her box into ubuntu ,and try (on luanr-linux myself currently)
[08:44] <robert_pectol> ^DodGeR^:   obviously you'll need to make the variables something useful :-)
[08:44] <^DodGeR^> thanx robert_pectol , will check in a few secs when box is up
[08:44] <^DodGeR^> clearly
[08:44] <^DodGeR^> hehe
[08:44] <^DodGeR^> currently extif is pp0
[08:45] <^DodGeR^> i need to move to the first world , africa is nowhere
[08:45] <zAo^> does anyone have a Clearlooks Firefox theme?
[08:49] <robert_pectol> ^DodGeR^:   One other thing about packet forwarding in Linux... you need to enable it with, "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" or something equiv.  That has bitten me once or twice in the past!  Good luck!
[08:49] <^DodGeR^> yeah got that set to 1
[08:49] <robert_pectol> cool!
[08:49] <stonith> omg
[08:49] <^DodGeR^> checking now ..
[08:50] <Harold> Anyone: Suggest large packages I can remove?
[08:50] <stonith> why harold?
[08:51] <Harold> stonith: To clear HD space
[08:51] <evo|ution> is dere a way to install ubuntu from windows
[08:51] <stonith> vmware
[08:51] <Harold> stonith: Thank you.  Any others?
[08:51] <bojan> hi folks! is there someone who has eclipse installed?
[08:51] <stonith> Harold no that wasn't for you, vmware not for you.
[08:52] <Harold> stonith: Oh, okay
[08:52] <stonith> Harold: how much HD space do you need to clear?
[08:52] <zAo^> Harold, sudo apt-get clean
[08:52] <Harold> zAo^: Thanks
[08:52] <Harold> stonith: I'd say around 200MB or so would make me comfortaBLE
[08:53] <stonith> do what zao said
[08:53] <Harold> Done
[08:53] <zAo^> df -h
[08:53] <jasoncohen> i'm seeing the same issue in firestarter 1.0.1 and firestarter 1.0.3 from backports
[08:53] <robotgeek> df -kh
[08:53] <Harold> zAo^: Appears to have returned a few MB.
[08:53] <PLaf> wait a tic, vmware installs ubuntu while youre under windows? thats exactly what i need
[08:54] <zAo^> Harold, what give df -h ~ ?
[08:54] <Harold> Just a little bit more space than before.
[08:55] <PLaf> stonith do you have a link for vmware?
[08:55] <disposable_mike> bojan: i do
[08:55] <zAo^> no temp directories in ~?
[08:55] <stonith> PLaf: you have to pay for that program.
[08:55] <Harold> I'm currently using 86% of my HD space; I have 242M available out of 1.8G.
[08:55] <zAo^> PLaf, www.vmware.com
[08:55] <PLaf> crap, i cant afford anything more than $0
[08:55] <robotgeek> :)
[08:55] <zAo^> Harold, used Bittorent?
[08:55] <Harold> zAo^: Not on this system.
[08:56] <robotgeek> zAo^: please don't suggest anything illegal in #ubuntu
[08:56] <zAo^> robotgeek, sorry? read m8, read
[08:56] <Harold> zAo^: The space used is after an install of Ubuntu, plus a few small packages.
[08:56] <tritium> Harold, does "apt-get clean" clear up any space for you?
[08:56] <robotgeek> zAo^: no probs
[08:56] <PLaf> alright im in a bit of a sticky wiki, SBM failed me, someone told me grub cant boot to cd's, i desperately need to boot to cd's to install ubuntu
[08:56] <Harold> tritium: Just a little, but not enough.  I've run it recenlty, so it's not doing much.
[08:56] <zAo^> Harold, I guess you cant then. Sorry
[08:56] <tritium> ok
[08:57] <Harold> zAo^: I'm just looking for packages to remove.
[08:57] <zAo^> Harold, remove openoffice.org ?
[08:57] <PLaf> harold: maybe this isnt up your alley, but why not do a minimalistic approach, server install and then load gui packadges, thats what im going to do... once i can boot to bloody cd
[08:58] <Harold> zAo^: That's a good example, and I may remove that again.  (I had removed OpenOffice before, but ended up reinstalling it.  I'm currently seeking other packages I can remove.)
[08:58] <Harold> PLaf: I couldn't do that; had trouble installing Ubuntu on my PowerPC using that method.
[08:58] <robotgeek> Harold: if you want to get a bit adventerous, you can get rid of gnome :)
[08:59] <Harold> robotgeek: Already removed gnome
[08:59] <zAo^> Harold, Gimp then?
[08:59] <Harold> robotgeek: Thanks for the suggestion, though.
[08:59] <Harold> zAo^: Removed Gimp.
[08:59] <Harold> All good suggestions, and I'm looking for more.
[08:59] <zAo^> Harold, remove Gnome, install XFCE4
[08:59] <robotgeek> Harold: get openbox!
[09:00] <zAo^> srry ^^
[09:00] <Harold> zAo^: LOL, already done that.
[09:00] <nebular> ok, when I was using debian, when things were being setup it asked what level of configuration input did I want to use, high, medium or low, high meaning use the default as much as possible and low meaning ask for everything. how do I change that setting in kubuntu?
[09:00] <zAo^> Harold, why didnt you do a server-install?
[09:00] <Harold> robotgeek: Is openbox a display manager?  I'
[09:01] <bojan> disposable_mike: i have installed JDK and JRE, but it still says: A Java Runtime Environment (JRE) or Java Development Kit (JDK)
[09:01] <bojan> must be available in order to run Eclipse. No Java virtual machine
[09:01] <bojan> was found after searching the following locations:
[09:01] <bojan> /home/bojan/Desktop/eclipse/jre/bin/java
[09:01] <bojan> 'java' in your current PATH
[09:01] <robotgeek> Harold: yup, similiar to fluxbox, but i think it's better
[09:01] <Harold> zAo^: Couldn't do it; had trouble installing from  BootX.
[09:01] <jasoncohen> nebular, dpkg-reconfigure debconf
[09:01] <nebular> jasoncohen, thanks much
[09:01] <Harold> robotgeek: I'm currently using wdm with xfce4; would openbox be smaller?
[09:02] <robotgeek> Harold: i don't think it's gonna make that much of a difference
[09:02] <sJaM> just try out Harold
[09:02] <zAo^> Harold, apt-get install ubuntu-minimal,
[09:02] <sJaM> icewm is a slim one
[09:02] <robotgeek> !ubuntu-minimal
[09:02] <ubotu> robotgeek: No idea
[09:02] <Harold> zAo^: I kind of like the setup I've got right now; it took me weeks to get here, so I'm just looking for packages to remove.
[09:03] <jasoncohen> nebular, many ubuntu packages have preset defaults which are uesd so you wont' be asked anything
[09:03] <Harold> I just anticipate needing more HD space.
[09:03] <jasoncohen> nebular, if you want to reconfigure a package do dpkg-reconfigure packagename
[09:03] <jafn_> hi all
[09:03] <stonith> hi.
[09:03] <Outrider> hi folk
[09:04] <Harold> Anyone: How do I check the size of installed packages?
[09:04] <robotgeek> zAo^: ubuntu-minimal / ubuntu-base?
[09:04] <nebular> jasoncohen, I know, I just wanted to have the option to change it
[09:04] <jafn_> are you ubuntu geeks?
[09:04] <jafn_> cause i need help
[09:04] <zAo^> robotgeek, saw that in my repo :)
[09:04] <zAo^> jafn_, shoot :)
[09:04] <robotgeek> zAo^: it doesn't show here :)
[09:04] <stonith> Harold: 'du' can help you get a grasp of how large a directory in your filesystem.  'man du'
[09:04] <dnakata> hmm
[09:04] <jasoncohen> nebular, you can just use dpkg-reconfigure or use synaptic and choose package > reconfigure
[09:04] <Harold> stonith: Thank you.
[09:04] <dnakata> what's the funnest way to debug a postinst script
[09:04] <jasoncohen> ubuntu added a graphical configuration tool
[09:05] <HenkPoley> synaptic ?
[09:05] <jafn_> i need my ubuntu box to listen a wins server how can i do that?
[09:05] <dnakata> in my case, xlibs
[09:05] <zAo^>  This package depends on all of the packages in the Ubuntu minimal system,
[09:05] <zAo^>  that is a minimally functional system that can boot and install more
[09:05] <zAo^>  packages.
[09:05] <zAo^> srry all
[09:05] <dnakata> i've cranked dpkg debug up to 1000/2000 and it spews loads of useless trash, and upon postinst states nothing
[09:05] <jafn_> i need my ubuntu box to listen a wins server how can i do that?
[09:06] <jafn_> i need my ubuntu box to listen a netbios server how can i do that?
[09:06] <alchemist0405> what's the name of the window manager that looks just like windows, with the blue bubbley interface? (not icewm)
[09:06] <jhaa> fvwm95
[09:06] <Harold>   Anyone: When removing packages,  how do you stop them from removing needed dependencies?
[09:07] <HenkPoley> alchemist0405: XPDE?
[09:07] <alchemist0405> not quite the one i was looking for, but i like it better anyway
[09:07] <alchemist0405> AH, HA!  that's the one
[09:07] <HenkPoley> I never got that one working, but that's been over a year ago
[09:07] <alchemist0405> HenkPoley, i couldn't remember the name of it
[09:07] <disposable_mike> bojan: do a "which java" and "which javac" to find your current JDK/JRE
[09:08] <jurgonh> i am a n00b to linux.. a cant install totem-xine it sais its in conflict with totem gstreamer?
[09:08] <kevin> wow, it is hot out there again!
[09:08] <disposable_mike> bojan: if they point to the wrong directories, then you must change your JAVA_HOME and PATH variables in either /etc/profile or ~/.bashrc
[09:08] <alchemist0405> HenkPoley, i'm not really a fan of the bubbles, but i have an admin who would appreciate it
[09:08] <nebular> jasoncohen, I know, but when I"m dealing with a large number of packages that I _know_ I"ll be needing something other than the defaults, then I"d like to do that enmase
[09:08] <Waffer-> lo, everytime I try to upgrade ubuntu or installing for example xorg-driver-fglrx I get an error. "Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-mimelnk_1.1.3-8ubuntu2_all.deb". Whats up with that? (im a ubuntu/linux newbie)?
[09:08] <^DodGeR^> robert_pectol, its working :)
[09:09] <zAo^> jurgonh, does apt want to remove it??
[09:09] <Cain> hi
[09:09] <robert_pectol> ^DodGeR^:   Cool!
[09:09] <kevin> hey wftl
[09:09] <wftl> Hi Kevin.
[09:09] <zAo^> Waffer-, try apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
[09:09] <alchemist0405> xpde isn't in ubuntu and i don't want to bother installing otherwise, i'll give fvwm95 a shot
[09:09] <evo|ution> sorry was dc at tht time, is dere any way to install ubuntu off windows
[09:10] <kevin> How are you?
[09:10] <wftl> Doing fine.  Just doing a little information gathering.
[09:10] <Cain> does anyone have a faster link for ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso ? i have only 15kb/s down at mine
[09:10] <Harold> Anyone: Does irssi in the terminal use less RAM than X-Chat in the xfce4 GUI?
[09:10] <robotgeek> !dosbox
[09:10] <ubotu> robotgeek: Wish i knew
[09:11] <robotgeek> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what is dosbox?
[09:11] <Waffer-> zAo^: same error when trying sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:11] <emX> robotgeek: try !info dosbox
[09:11] <HenkPoley> alchemist0405: XPDE has binary releases, you can install in entierly in /opt
[09:11] <robotgeek> !info dosbox
[09:11] <ubotu> dosbox: (A x86 emulator with Tandy/Herc/CGA/EGA/VGA graphics, sound and DOS), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.63-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 368 kB, Installed size: 1000 kB
[09:11] <zAo^> Waffer-, sudo apt-get -f install
[09:11] <wftl> Can anyone on the channel tell me who the press contact would be in the Ubuntu foundation?
[09:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> robotgeek it's dos for linux...it allows you to play old dos games
[09:11] <Waffer-> zAo^: i've tried that too
[09:11] <robotgeek> ChurcH_of_FoamY: cool
[09:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea but i don't know how to run it >.<
[09:12] <alchemist0405> HenkPoley, hmmm, if fvwm95 doesn't "wow" him i'll do a binary isntall
[09:12] <Harold> Hey there, ChurcH
[09:12] <zAo^> Waffer-, rm /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-mimelnk_1.1.3-8ubuntu2_all.deb
[09:12] <PLaf> alright, im going to loose my mind, i just tried a windows boot disk and even that doesnt boot
[09:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hi Harold
[09:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> whats up?"
[09:13] <zAo^> PLaf, did follow your prob, can you give a summary ?
[09:14] <PLaf> zAo^: have a computer, bios gives option to boot to cd's but it mysteriously fails at it, tried putting SBM on a floppy, result: "SBMK BAD!", tried a win98 boot disk, result: "_" flashing, trying to install ubuntu with a cd
[09:14] <zAo^> sorry Waffer- donno then
[09:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> there has GOT to be a better app out there than dosbox >.< i know dos and this isen't it
[09:14] <zAo^> PLaf, tried ubuntu liveCD?
[09:15] <Thewarmachine> hello
[09:15] <missmarple> good evening
[09:15] <Thewarmachine> im having a problem with my soundcard
[09:15] <Waffer-> zAo^: tried all those things :P well, thanks anyway
[09:15] <PLaf> zAo^: yes, result: "insert boot disk" or something like that
[09:15] <Thewarmachine> im not getting any sound
[09:15] <zAo^> PLaf, you CD drive is 1st in bootorder?
[09:15] <benplaut> good morning everyone! :)
[09:15] <PLaf> zAo^: yes
[09:16] <evo|ution007> is dere any way to install ubuntu in windows xp
[09:16] <kevin> same here warmachine but I preffer it that way lol
[09:16] <zAo^> PLaf, waht can you boot? :)
[09:16] <evo|ution007> through windows xo
[09:16] <PLaf> zAo^: harddrive with win95 installed on it... you can see why i want ubuntu
[09:16] <evo|ution007> or even mount it without burning a CD
[09:16] <to|m> how I get my handy photos to linux?
[09:16] <zAo^> PLaf, old PC? Try to change the HDD settings from AUTO
[09:17] <hussam> is anybody able to connect to msn service? I've tried every IM in the world including gaim and I can't connect. It was working earlier.
[09:17] <Thewarmachine> can anyone please help me?!
[09:17] <to|m> how I get my mobile phone photos to linux?
[09:17] <Zerboxx> hussam: I'm connected with msn itself
[09:17] <PLaf> zAo^: this bios is one of the worst ive seen, it doesnt allow you to specify settings manually or even view them, its hard-coded to AUTO
[09:17] <kevin> hussam: one sec I will look
[09:17] <PLaf> hussam: im on msn
[09:17] <zAo^> PLaf, USB-boot?
 i am connected
[09:18] <zAo^> so am I :)
[09:18] <PLaf> zAo^: the comp doesnt have any usb ports, and i dont have any usb media anyways
[09:18] <kevin> hussam: yes just connected
[09:18] <Thewarmachine> PLEASE!
[09:18] <zAo^> PLaf, Im out of ideas :$
[09:18] <PLaf> zAo^: if i install grub while in windows, can it give me the option to boot to cd's?
[09:19] <robotgeek> PLaf: boot floppies?
[09:19] <PLaf> robotgeek: ive tried SBM and win98 boot floppies, both have failed
[09:19] <Cain> does anyone have a faster download mirror for ubuntu 5.04 than 15-20 kb/s ??????
[09:19] <zAo^> PLaf, I think so. There is something called linwin I think..
[09:19] <PLaf> !info linwin
[09:19] <Thewarmachine> OMG!! please help me out
[09:19] <benplaut> Cain: try a torrent?
[09:19] <teferi> win4lin is the fancy windows emulation environment that costs money
[09:20] <Cain> give me al link plz .-/
[09:20] <benplaut> Thewarmachine: what brand?
[09:20] <Thewarmachine> how do I figure t out?
[09:20] <robotgeek> PLaf: okay...
[09:20] <PLaf> its really a pain, all my other motherboards died so i cant hook the harddrive to a normal system, so im stuck with this
[09:21] <hussam> It's probably my internet conenction, but I'm able to use IRC, weird.
[09:21] <benplaut> Thewarmachine: is it a seperate PCI card or connected to the motherboard?
[09:21] <Thewarmachine> i think its on the motherboard
[09:21] <robotgeek> PLaf: prop the hard drive out, go to your friends place..put ubuntu on it, bring it back!
[09:21] <benplaut> k
[09:21] <benplaut> do you know what kind of motherboard you have?
[09:21] <PLaf> robotgeek: lol... i dont have any friends that would do that for me
[09:21] <Thewarmachine> its all intel stuff
[09:21] <benplaut> k
[09:22] <PLaf> stupid IBM proprietary crap
[09:22] <benplaut> does it work with any LiveCDs, IE Knoppix?
[09:22] <Thewarmachine> no
[09:22] <Harold> Anyone: How do I check to see how much RAM is currently being used by the active applications?
[09:22] <benplaut> hmm
[09:22] <flipy> is there any way to remove a package without all the ncurses stuff? (drupal keeps me asking for a root user and pass to be unistalled)
[09:22] <zAo^> Harold, free -m
[09:22] <robotgeek> PLaf: okay...no i am outta ideas
[09:22] <eduardo> whats?
[09:22] <Harold> zAo^: Thanks, you're a big help
[09:22] <zAo^> np
[09:23] <PLaf> robotgeek: thats ok, i'll just have to get creative now
[09:23] <Harold> zAo^: Now I can compare the various browsers I'm using.
[09:23] <benplaut> well, i can't personally help you (i have no experience with this sort of thing), but there's enough info floating around now that someone probably can...
[09:23] <benplaut> try asking at www.ubuntuforums.com
[09:23] <eduardo> hello
[09:23] <zAo^> lo eduardo
[09:23] <Thewarmachine> forums suck
[09:23] <eduardo> he
[09:23] <benplaut> not this one :)
[09:24] <Thewarmachine> i know crimsun helped a friend of mine with the same problem
[09:24] <Thewarmachine> this is irc
[09:24] <freeradicals> hello people
[09:24] <benplaut> there are currently 679 active users on the forum
[09:24] <eduardo> no, speking english
[09:24] <Thewarmachine> they never help
[09:24] <benplaut> for IRC, you have to be there when it hapens
[09:24] <eduardo> alguien de habla latina
[09:24] <benplaut> the question goes to many more people on a forum
[09:24] <dataw0lf> flipy: use -y with apt-get
[09:25] <dataw0lf> (this is the non-interactive switch, it will assume 'yes' for any and all prompts)
[09:25] <Thewarmachine> eduardo: #ubuntu-es
[09:25] <robotgeek> benplaut: also stays there for longer, indexed by google etc
[09:25] <freeradicals> whats so special about ubuntu
[09:25] <freeradicals> ?
[09:25] <Harold> quit
[09:25] <dataw0lf> benplaut: the forums? pssh, they're so boring!
[09:25] <dataw0lf> :)
[09:25] <benplaut> p'shaa...
[09:25] <eduardo> am sorry
[09:25] <Thewarmachine> datawolf could you help
[09:25] <Thewarmachine> ?
[09:25] <eduardo> no entender conversation
[09:25] <dataw0lf> Thewarmachine: what's up?
[09:25] <Thewarmachine> my soundcard
[09:26] <dataw0lf> oh? not workin?
[09:26] <benplaut> no sound from on-mobo intel sound
[09:26] <evo|ution> is dere any way to mount ubuntu images without burning them on a CD or a DVD
[09:26] <dataw0lf> what you getting in dmesg?
[09:26] <zAo^> evo|ution, you can mount them, but you cant install from the mount
[09:26] <robotgeek> evo|ution: on a mac, yes...
[09:26] <evo|ution> how
[09:27] <freeradicals> evolution, can you speak english please
[09:27] <evo|ution> can i have the link to the resource
[09:27] <evo|ution> im speaking in english
[09:27] <zAo^> evo|ution, mount -t iso9660 /dev/XXX /target -o loop
[09:27] <evo|ution> oh okkkkkkk
[09:27] <zAo^> evo|ution,  XXX is the deveice
[09:28] <Grid_block> hey everyone how do i install a BZ2 file ??
[09:28] <piohiiri> is there a version of Kazaa or simial for linux?
[09:28] <decaf> Grid_block: extract it
[09:28] <flipy> how can I reconfigure mysql? (what is the name of the package?)
[09:28] <piohiiri> *similiar
[09:28] <dataw0lf> Grid_block: bunzip2 to extract
[09:28] <zAo^> sorry; the image :$
[09:28] <[2] BoxingFiend> !mysql
[09:28] <ubotu> [2] BoxingFiend: I give up, what is it?
[09:28] <robotgeek> !info mysql
[09:28] <flipy> !info myql
[09:28] <flipy> !info mysql
[09:29] <Thewarmachine> datawolf http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/663
[09:29] <zAo^> $ apt-cache search ^mysql
[09:29] <flipy> thanks zAo^
[09:29] <benplaut> what is this !info business?
[09:29] <m0rphx> is someone using breezy here? do you also have a black and white mouse cursor?
[09:29] <robotgeek> alrite ppl, later!
[09:29] <dataw0lf> um, uh, I guess I can be the bot here, MySQL is a semi-relational database that < Postgres
[09:29] <monteiro> i cant install or remove any packages in synaptic, because it says always the error: failed in buffer_read(fd): files list for package `ubuntu-artwork': Input/output error :: anyone knows how to solve this?
[09:30] <zAo^> monteiro, I got that msg 2, but I can install/remove pkgs
[09:30] <m0rphx> monteiro: is apt-get working?
[09:30] <zAo^> try `sudo apt-get -f install`
[09:31] <monteiro>  m0rphx: i can't install or remove the packages, it says that error and interrups the installing and says that has ocorred lots of errors
[09:31] <monteiro> zAo^ : you know how to fix ?
[09:31] <m0rphx> monteiro: try what zAo^ said, or do apt-get --reinstall install ubuntu-artwork
[09:32] <zAo^> ^^ :)
[09:32] <Thewarmachine> datawolf any ideas
[09:32] <zAo^> m0rphx, Breezy here
[09:32] <monteiro> m0rphx : ok, i'll try, tks :)
[09:32] <m0rphx> zAo^: do you also have the standart mouse cursor?
[09:32] <monteiro> zAo^ : is it stable?
[09:32] <m0rphx> np
[09:33] <zAo^> m0rphx, yes. That Debian-mouse-thingie :)
[09:33] <upoll> I would like flash player for ppc, is it possible
[09:33] <monteiro> m0rphx : it says the same error :(((
[09:33] <m0rphx> monteiro: keep away from it ^^ X.org will be broken for a while, and it will soon become stable
[09:33] <zAo^> monteiro, well; the latest isnt, just dont go past X 6.8.2-36 (see topic)
[09:34] <monteiro> okeys :)
[09:34] <monteiro> m0rphx zAo^ : you think i should upgrade to breezy to fix this problem ?
[09:34] <zAo^> but Gnome 2.11.5 is stable
[09:34] <Thewarmachine> anyone know anything pertaining to sound?
[09:34] <zAo^> monteiro, no; not now
[09:34] <Raptoid> byez..
[09:35] <zAo^> srry
[09:35] <monteiro> zAo^ : i can't install or remove packages, its terrible :(
[09:35] <zAo^> monteiro, not with apt????
[09:36] <monteiro> zAo^ : nop
[09:36] <zAo^> what does `sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade` say?
[09:36] <monteiro> zAo^ : its something to do with package tcpd
[09:36] <zAo^> show me/us
[09:36] <AlexMBas> does anyone uses vmware 4.x with ubuntu here?
[09:36] <zAo^> plz donnot flood
[09:37] <zAo^> AlexMBas, ubuntu host? I did. Worked fine
[09:37] <AlexMBas> cool
[09:37] <AlexMBas> I use it here, but I allways have to run vmware-config.pl as root
[09:37] <monteiro> zAo^ : it says the normal, no errors, it says i've the latest system installed
[09:38] <AlexMBas> it seems like the modules do not persist after a reboot
[09:38] <zAo^> monteiro, sudo apt-get install <pick_a_pkg>
[09:38] <Thewarmachine> why is it that im being ignored everytime I mention sound??????
[09:38] <AlexMBas> zAo^:  did you have this problem?
[09:38] <dataw0lf> Thewarmachine: I spoke to you earlier and you didn't respond.
[09:38] <zAo^> sorry Thewarmachine
[09:38] <zAo^> I dont know
[09:38] <dataw0lf> Thewarmachine: 'Check dmesg'
[09:38] <zAo^> show some errors
[09:38] <dataw0lf> type dmesg at a prompt
[09:38] <dataw0lf> and give us any relevant to sound
[09:38] <Thewarmachine> i sent you a link to the pastebin
[09:38] <PLaf> hey robotgeek are you still here?
[09:38] <Thewarmachine> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/663
[09:38] <dataw0lf> Thewarmachine: I never got a link to the pastebin.
[09:39] <dataw0lf> danke
[09:39] <zAo^> AlexMBas, I had that too. On the ubuntuforums.org is a tread
[09:39] <glick> hey how do i install nvidia drivers in ubuntu? is there a special way or just go to the nvidia site and download and instlal them?
[09:39] <[2] BoxingFiend> !restricted
[09:39] <ubotu> somebody said restricted was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:40] <ubuntu> this is cool :)
[09:40] <AlexMBas> zAo^: thanks, I will look for it ...
[09:40] <monteiro> glick : sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && change in xorg.conf driver = "nv" to driver = "nvidia"
[09:40] <dataw0lf> Thewarmachine: what's the output of lsof /dev/dsp* ?
[09:40] <AlexMBas> zAo^: I thought I had done something worg ... heheheh
[09:40] <AlexMBas> wrong I mean
[09:40] <zAo^> no, thats the default :S
[09:40] <m0rphx> glick: Install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-686  and nvidia-glx
[09:41] <Grid_block> hmm i extracted gbtcr-1.0-cvs.tar.bz2 but all i get is a folder with the files in it.. how do i start the program?
[09:41] <m0rphx> if you have a P3 etc, else install the pkg for another architecture
[09:41] <glick> k thanks
[09:41] <glick> ill have to do it another time, time for class eiy! damn time always creepin up on you!
[09:41] <Thewarmachine> datawolf i sentyou a pm
[09:42] <Mephist0_> i have a question.. i use ubuntu live cd now and it looks promising.. Before i have had a FreeBSD box and a Windows XP "surf computer" and in addition to that a game computer.. Im thinking of combining the surf computer and my server. How is Ubuntu to run as a web-server ? (Apache2, PHP5) ..
[09:43] <tritium> glick, for when you return: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:43] <jk24> hi, is there a place where i can found X <= 6.8.2.36 (please don't laugth) ?
[09:44] <flipy> !info mysql
[09:44] <Grid_block> how do i install gbtcr-1.0-cvs.tar.bz2 ???
[09:44] <sJaM> tar xfj gbtcr-1.0-cvs.tar.bz2
[09:44] <sJaM> look for a new directory
[09:45] <sJaM> find the README
[09:45] <flipy> how can I reconfigure mysql? (what is the name of the package?)
[09:45] <m0rphx> Mephist0_: it works for me ^^ I think it's nearly better than Debian
[09:45] <tritium> jk24, are you running breezy?
[09:45] <sJaM> mysql-server flipy
[09:45] <flipy> ok
[09:45] <jk24> tritium just upgraded
[09:45] <sJaM> dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server
[09:45] <tritium> and your X is broken now?
[09:46] <jk24> tritium, yes, as it's warned on the topic :)
[09:46] <flipy> sJaM: i dont have that installed
[09:46] <sJaM> sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[09:46] <sJaM> sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server
[09:46] <sJaM> should be done with sudo
[09:46] <jk24> tritium how can i pin apt to install X 'up-to' -36 ?
[09:46] <Mephist0_> m0rphx: ok.. nice :) I run a gallery on my web server hosting 10000+ images.. But i dont want to have a whole server park up and running just because of a web server with 8gb pictures on it :) .. on my workstation i mainly do sum ICQ and MSN (gaim) and Bittorrent... so that's not much.. :)
[09:46] <flipy> sJaM: but i do have mysql* binaries
[09:47] <jasoncohen> btw, if anyone wants to know how to automate security updates with cron-apt & to receive email notifications, i wrote instructions here - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=260769#post260769
[09:47] <sJaM> how did you installed ?
[09:47] <flipy> sJaM: sudo apt-get install drupal
[09:47] <sJaM> I drupal ?
[09:47] <jasoncohen> i include instructions on how to use a custom sources.list file that just upgrades security updates so this will work even if you have backports/extras enabled
[09:47] <tritium> jk24, only if earlier packages are available in the repos, which I don't think is the case now
[09:47] <^DodGeR^> nite all, have fun
[09:47] <m0rphx> Mephist0_: the only thing I don't know very much about is how fast the fix bugs, but it should be ok
[09:47] <jk24> oops
[09:48] <Servo888> Anybody know why the modules in /etc/mkinitrd/modules don't load on boot?
[09:48] <tritium> jasoncohen, what are its advantages over the update-manager and update-notifier?
[09:48] <sJaM> drupal only depends
[09:48] <sJaM> on the mysql-client
[09:48] <Mephist0_> m0rphx: thats not a big problem i think.. I ran my FreeBSD box for 3 years without upgrading it.. so... it probably had a lot of security holes ;)
[09:48] <SogniX> anyone know why when trying to install grub, I get this error : The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
[09:49] <vdm> Hi, im using the nvidia drivers and am trying the nehe tutorials on opengl programming. While opengl itself runs fine (WoW, doom3 etc) all those tutorials only show a black screen. Any ideas?
[09:49] <m0rphx> Mephist0_: lucky guy ^^
[09:49] <jasoncohen> tritium, a) this only installs security updates- not all new packages available, b) it can automatically install the upgrades and email you
[09:49] <Mephist0_> m0rphx: i heard from a friend that the package system is quite nice in this system.. is there a grafical tool for it? :)
[09:49] <tritium> jk24, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/
[09:49] <flipy> sJaM: but when I try to uninstall drupal it asks for user amnd pass
[09:49] <tritium> grab the old -36 packages while they're still there
[09:49] <m0rphx> Mephist0_: yep, there's aptitude for ncurses and synaptic for GTK
[09:50] <jk24> tritium thanks
[09:50] <sJaM> well I never used drupal
[09:50] <sJaM> but
[09:50] <sJaM> you need the mysql-server
[09:50] <sJaM> or the cleint
[09:50] <jk24> tritium i think you can tell that on topic :)
[09:50] <jasoncohen> tritium, someone asked on the forums so i answered. it's more useful for a server. I use it on my debian sarge server. all security upgrades are automatically installed and i receive emails so i know i'm up to date. i don't have to administer it manually
[09:50] <tritium> jasoncohen, pretty cool :)
[09:50] <Mephist0_> m0rphx: what windows manager system do you use on ubuntu? .. Is gnome standard?
[09:50] <tritium> jk24, well, the topic asks people not to use breezy ;)
[09:50] <jasoncohen> tritium, i also receive anacron reports telling me that there are upgrades and the debian & ubuntu security advisories
[09:51] <m0rphx> Mephist0_: yes, gnome is standard. but there's also KDE. for that u can use kubuntu
[09:51] <jk24> tritium, yes, and i'am like evrybody :)
[09:51] <jasoncohen> anacron gives the package that needs to be upgraded and the new changes.
[09:51] <tritium> jasoncohen, pretty cool
[09:51] <flipy> sJaM: but now everytime I try to run apt-get or dpkg I've a lot of packages pending
[09:51] <jasoncohen> yes it is
[09:51] <jasoncohen> there are many cool things that can be done with apt
[09:52] <sJaM> a lot of packages pending ???
[09:52] <sJaM> what do you mean
[09:52] <jasoncohen> flipy, pending upgrade?
[09:52] <jk24> flipy apt-get install -f |dpkg --configure -a
[09:52] <Mephist0_> m0rphx: well i guess gnome is sufficiant.. im dont know much about WM:s for Unix/Linux.. I heard bout enlightment.. But that is like a theam for Gnome and KDE or how is it?
[09:52] <flipy> uhm
[09:53] <flipy> no, pending to uninstall
[09:53] <kpanic> hey people, I have a macmini and want to boot /dev/hda5 from the rescue image... Is the correct way of doing? on intel IIRC I had to pass to the boot image root=/dev/hda5, how could I do now?
[09:53] <Riggzy> Hey, I'm partitioning my harddrive ready for installing ubuntu... how big should i make the partition for the actual install? I have 63GB to play with - I need to split it into install, swap and shared
[09:53] <EGCdgital> shayeah!
[09:54] <Servo888> Could somebody point me in the direction of how to load modules on boot?...
[09:54] <Thewarmachine> can ANYONE HERE help me with my soundcard issues?!?!
[09:54] <m0rphx> Mephist0_: Enlightment is cool and you can also use the gnome and kde programs, but I would stay with Gnome
[09:54] <kpanic> Servo888, /etc/modules?
[09:54] <PLaf> i have an aptiva 2176-c33, im looking for bios upgrades, help?
[09:55] <djp> the latest episode of lugradio is hilarious! i'm in stiches here... :D
[09:55] <mastertet> soo, nobody here work on ubuntulight or know an irc chanel about ubuntulight?
[09:55] <m0rphx> Mephist0_: It's a window manager and has some nice gfx
[09:55] <Riggzy> How big should my partition be for the ubuntu install?
[09:55] <Servo888> kpanic, yes there we go. ty
[09:56] <Thewarmachine> this is ridiculous
[09:56] <Mephist0_> m0rphx: oh ok.. ic.. yes, i know bout the nice grafix.. But i think when you install it, its quite "clean" .. not much things added..
[09:56] <djp> oops... last post was intended for #lugradio. sorry everyone!
[09:57] <tritium> djp, no worries :)  it's not like it's seriously off-topic
[09:57] <Grid_block> now i got a GBTCR_0_86_TAR.BZ2.out   file... what do i do now? :s
[09:57] <Thewarmachine> yeah, like people rather listen to that rather than help me out anyway
[09:57] <tritium> Thewarmachine, what's the problem?
[09:58] <Thewarmachine> i get no damn sound whatsoever
[09:58] <tritium> sound card issues?  Which card?  What have you tried?
[09:58] <Thewarmachine> i dont know what to try out
[09:58] <tritium> have you looked in /proc/asound?
[09:58] <Thewarmachine> thats the problem
[09:58] <Thewarmachine> for what?
[09:59] <Belutz> tritium: the java works.... thx a lot :D
[09:59] <tritium> Thewarmachine, to see what alsa detected, for one
[09:59] <tritium> Belutz, awesome :)
[09:59] <Grid_block> now i got a GBTCR_0_86_TAR.BZ2.out   file... what do i do now? :s
[09:59] <jk24> quit
[09:59] <Belutz> tritium: i'll be bothering you with another problems later.... :D
[09:59] <tritium> Belutz, okay, :)
[10:00] <PLaf> i need help updating my bios :S
[10:00] <zAo^> Thewarmachine, what does beep-media-player say when you play a MP3?
[10:00] <Grid_block> now i got a GBTCR_0_86_TAR.BZ2.out   file... what do i do now?
[10:00] <Thewarmachine> zao let me install it
[10:01] <tritium> Thewarmachine, do you see any files in /proc/asound?
[10:01] <Thewarmachine> yeah
[10:01] <Thewarmachine> I do
[10:01] <anto9us> PLaf: you need to flash it?
[10:01] <tritium> like cards, devices
[10:01] <Thewarmachine> yes
[10:01] <tritium> Thewarmachine, okay, have you checked alsamixer to see if it's just a muting problem?
[10:01] <zAo^> well?
[10:02] <zAo^> ^^ good old prob :)
[10:02] <PLaf> anto9us: no i downloaded a program to just copy a bios, the problem is i need to find the latest version of mine
[10:02] <Thewarmachine> it isnt a muting problem
[10:02] <Thewarmachine> that im sure of
[10:02] <tritium> if you could double-check with alsamixer, that would be great
[10:02] <Thewarmachine> i have
[10:02] <anto9us> PLaf: you visited your motherboard manufacturer's website?
[10:02] <IcemanV9> what programming languages were installed default?? which one can I create gui application easily?? ty in advance
[10:03] <zAo^> Thewarmachine, what does lspci say and what does lsmod say
[10:03] <Thewarmachine> that doesnt even show up
[10:03] <PLaf> anto9us: no, i dont know who made it
[10:03] <IcemanV9> *installed by default
[10:03] <jk24> IcemanV9, python+gtk
[10:03] <Thewarmachine> Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
[10:03] <zAo^> IcemanV9, try gtk (www.gtk.org)
[10:03] <tritium> Thewarmachine, what doesn't show up?
[10:04] <zAo^> sorry, have to go... :$
[10:04] <zAo^> later all!
[10:04] <anto9us> PLaf: reboot and make a note of the very long ID at the bottom of the screen when it boots, you might need to keep resetting till you've got it all, it can disappear quickly
[10:04] <IcemanV9> gnome is based on gtk as well?
[10:04] <PLaf> later
[10:04] <Thewarmachine> later
[10:04] <mihai_> can anybody tell me what's the java package name needed for azureus?
[10:04] <jk24> IcemanV9, http://www.pygtk.org/tutorial.html
[10:04] <PLaf> anto9us: no ID comes up
[10:04] <Thewarmachine> tritium alsa gives me nothing
[10:04] <Thewarmachine> esd gives me nothing
[10:04] <Wermut> Hello, I have a question which might sound stupid; but I was not able to find out where Evolutions stores my emails. Which file/folder contains them?
[10:04] <PLaf> it just flashes an extremely large IBM picture, then boots, so i dont know the model number
[10:04] <IcemanV9> ty jk24
[10:05] <jk24> Wermut, .evolution/mail/
[10:05] <Mephist0_> guys.. im going to install ubuntu now.. something to think of before the installation? Shall i install apache, php and such after the installation?
[10:05] <tritium> Thewarmachine, can you paste the output of "amixer" to pastebin please?
[10:05] <anto9us> PLaf: you system isn't from a major manufacturer, like Dell or anyone like that?
[10:05] <PLaf> Aptiva
[10:05] <Grid_block> now i got a GBTCR_0_86_TAR.BZ2.out   file... what do i do now?
[10:05] <anto9us> PLaf: what model?
[10:06] <Thewarmachine> thewarmachine@ool-44c79b8b:~$ amixer
[10:06] <Thewarmachine> amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
[10:06] <Thewarmachine> thewarmachine@ool-44c79b8b:~$
[10:06] <PLaf> 2176-c33
[10:06] <jk24> Grid_block, what's that ?
[10:06] <mihai_> can anybody tell me what's the java package name needed for azureus??
[10:06] <Wermut> jk24, I already found that folder. Do I have to backup the entire folder? Or only single files?
[10:06] <iso> how do i find a list of available kernel packages
[10:06] <Grid_block> jk24, its a program that lets you controll gnome programs thru your cellphone using bluetooth
[10:06] <jk24> :)
[10:07] <iso> i have a gig of memory in the target machine
[10:07] <jk24> Wermut, why not just drag and drop your mails on a folder ?
[10:07] <PLaf> anto9us: 2176-C33
[10:07] <Thewarmachine> tritium i posted it here
[10:07] <Mephist0_> Grid_block: thats COOL :)
[10:07] <tritium> Thewarmachine, scrolling up...
[10:08] <Grid_block> mephist0_ hehe :P
[10:08] <Mephist0_> Grid_block, is it GUI?
[10:08] <Grid_block> mephist0_ yes
[10:08] <tritium> okay, you need to poke around in /proc/asound and see what alsa thinks you have
[10:08] <Mephist0_> :)
[10:08] <Mephist0_> Grid_block, possible to find in the Synaptic Package Manager?
[10:09] <anto9us> PLaf: it's not listed as a model on the IBM website, can see 2177 and 2178 though
[10:09] <Thewarmachine> --- no soundcards ---
[10:09] <Grid_block> mephist0_ i dont know.. ill check
[10:09] <Wermut> jk24, I can't believe it... now that's comfort. I didn't expect it to be that simple. Thanks for the information.
[10:09] <Thewarmachine> thats what asound says man
[10:09] <mihai_> can anybody tell me what's the java package name needed for azureus??
[10:09] <PLaf> anto9us: S/N = 23GGY37
[10:09] <Thewarmachine> mihai ce curu me vrei?
[10:09] <funkabbestia> hello folks a simple question: where i can download the j2re
[10:09] <tritium> !java
[10:09] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin.
[10:10] <tritium> mihai_, funkabbestia ^^^
[10:10] <Grid_block> mephist0_ no its not..
[10:10] <tritium> Thewarmachine, which file says that?
[10:10] <Thewarmachine> cards
[10:10] <Mephist0_> ok.. :)
[10:10] <anto9us> PLaf: why do you need to update your bios?
[10:10] <Grid_block> mephist0_ http://chileforge.cl
[10:10] <Mephist0_> Grid_block, whats the other way to find packages?
[10:10] <funkabbestia> ok i will try
[10:10] <Mephist0_> Grid_block, ah ok
[10:10] <stempien> jou
[10:10] <Mephist0_> thx a lot :)
[10:10] <PLaf> anto9us: because i need to boot to my cd, and it wont let me
[10:10] <mihai_> well the thing is i have debian
[10:10] <Grid_block> now i got a GBTCR_0_86_TAR.BZ2.out   file... what do i do now?
[10:11] <tritium> Thewarmachine, well, that's definitely a problem
[10:11] <jk24> mihai_, java-package :)
[10:11] <Thewarmachine> i figured
[10:11] <mihai_> jk24, i got that, now what ?
[10:11] <tritium> mihai_, that's fine.  debian and ubuntu deal with java the same way
[10:11] <djansa> hi
[10:11] <jk24> Grid_block, open a shell, tar xvzf GBblabla.tar.bla; cd GBblabla; ./configure; make
[10:11] <djansa> how can i manage my service with an graphic aplication with ubuntu plz?
[10:12] <mihai_> i did apt-get install java-package, now what do i do to get the actual java so i can run azureus ?
[10:12] <jk24> mihai_, apt-get install java-package
[10:12] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, you thought boot-admin was difficult to use? granted it's not as easy as something like startup-settings but it's more straightforward than webmin-grub for example
[10:12] <jk24> mihai_, RTFM
[10:12] <mihai_> jk24, WHAT F M ?
[10:12] <jk24> mihai_, sorry, reads the docs :)
[10:12] <Mephist0_> lol :)
[10:13] <mihai_> oh come on i'm in a hurry, isn't it doable by apt-get ?
[10:13] <KB2000> djansa: i think it depends on what you wanna do
[10:13] <jk24> mihai_, yes and no
[10:13] <tritium> mihai_, I gave you a URL
[10:13] <djansa> i want add and del service
[10:13] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes, but webmin doesn't exactly set the standard very high
[10:13] <mihai_> i don't see any
[10:13] <funkabbestia> ubotu what's is the pkg name?
[10:13] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, funkabbestia
[10:13] <tritium> scroll up, mihai_.  I had ubotu tell you
[10:14] <tritium> mihai_, here:
[10:14] <tritium> !java
[10:14] <ubotu> rumour has it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin.
[10:14] <KB2000> djansa: i think i saw an article in the ubuntu wiki about bootup services
[10:14] <Thewarmachine> tritium.... what do i do know
[10:14] <mihai_> oh god
[10:14] <Thewarmachine> now
[10:15] <tritium> mihai_, blame Sun for their licensing schemes
[10:15] <tritium> it could be much simpler
[10:15] <mihai_> tritium, i want to get it with apt-get what's tha package name/server ?
[10:15] <anto9us> PLaf: is that a japanese model?
[10:15] <tritium> mihai_, please read the wiki page
[10:15] <jk24> mihai_, man make-jpkg
[10:15] <Thewarmachine> !wiki
[10:15] <mihai_> noooooooooooooooo
[10:15] <jk24> mihai_, download the jdk from sun
[10:16] <AlexBO> hello! can i insert into the main gnome pannel an icon? i've read about third mouse's button, but the third mouse is not supported. how can i do?
[10:16] <Thewarmachine> the sfx
[10:16] <PLaf> anto9us: id assume not
[10:16] <Thewarmachine> not rpm
[10:16] <stempien> does anyone have a clue why after inputting login and password, pushing enter (all under X's) i get brown screen and no gnome????
[10:16] <tritium> Thewarmachine, we need to first make sure the proper module is loaded
[10:16] <jk24> mihai_, and just build the package calling make-jpkg the_big_file_from_sun
[10:16] <Thewarmachine> help me out then sir!
[10:16] <tritium> mihai_, the wiki is not hard to follow.  Please give it a try.
[10:16] <mihai_> ok is there any other good gui torrent client without java ?
[10:16] <Thewarmachine> gnome bittorrent?
[10:16] <Thewarmachine> lol
[10:16] <sJaM> bittorrent-gui
[10:17] <funkabbestia> tnx a lot
[10:17] <mihai_> really?
[10:17] <sJaM> bittornado-gui
[10:17] <tritium> Thewarmachine, which sound chip is it again please?  Do you know which module supports it?
[10:17] <anto9us> PLaf: all I see with a google site search for that model is a lot of kanji
[10:17] <jk24> mihai_, you should try, it's for your 'well'
[10:17] <Grid_block> jk24 it dont work
[10:17] <Thewarmachine> tritium its azx
[10:17] <Thewarmachine> some hting something
[10:17] <mihai_> Method 1: Get a ready Java package
[10:17] <Thewarmachine> crimsun helped a friend of mine with the same prob
[10:17] <mihai_> It is not too difficult but you need package development environment installed.
[10:17] <mihai_> i want to use this one, what do i do ?
[10:18] <PLaf> you know what, im just gona give up
[10:19] <tritium> Thewarmachine, crimsun is the expert on alsa.
[10:19] <jk24> mihai_, please, follow : download the jre 1.5 from sun, when you get it, ask me
[10:19] <tritium> jk24, awesome.  Thanks for helping him.
[10:19] <Thewarmachine> i tritium i know it is the azx module or something
[10:19] <jk24> Triffid_Hunter, X packages, are big do download :)
[10:20] <Thewarmachine> by the way becareful when installing fluxbox
[10:20] <tritium> Thewarmachine, is it loaded?
[10:20] <jk24> sorry, whas for tritium
[10:20] <Thewarmachine> how to load?
[10:20] <hybrid_goth> Thewarmachine: why be careful
[10:20] <tritium> jk24, yeah they are ;)
[10:21] <tritium> Thewarmachine, did crimsun have your friend build newer alsa modules?
[10:21] <Servo888> Anybody know where to get kinternet?
[10:21] <Thewarmachine> for whatever reason, after i installed it, my system thought it was  debian
[10:21] <Thewarmachine> i think so tritium
[10:21] <stempien> could we find a solution to my problem now?:P
[10:22] <Grid_block> now i got a GBTCR_0_86_TAR.BZ2.out   file... what do i do now?
[10:22] <jk24> Grid_block, forgout you .out file
[10:22] <tritium> Thewarmachine, you may need to do the same thing
[10:22] <jk24> Grid_block, you have your .tar.bz2 ?
[10:22] <Thewarmachine> can you take me through it
[10:22] <Grid_block> yes
[10:22] <Grid_block> jk24 yes
[10:23] <tritium> Thewarmachine, I can point you in the general direction
[10:23] <Thewarmachine> go ahead
[10:23] <jk24> Grid_block, open a shell, and type "tar xvjf GBTCR_0_86_TAR.BZ2"
[10:24] <Thewarmachine> tritium did you know that tritium glows in the dark?
[10:24] <tritium> Thewarmachine, it's usually gaseous
[10:24] <sJaM> why the v option jk24
[10:25] <Thewarmachine> i have it in my watch
[10:25] <Thewarmachine> lol
[10:25] <joe__> hello
[10:25] <hybrid_goth> tritium didnt doc oct us that in spidey 2
[10:25] <jk24> sJaM, to 'view'
[10:25] <hybrid_goth> hi joe__
[10:25] <joe__> I'm new to Kubuntu
[10:25] <Thewarmachine> lol
[10:25] <tritium> hybrid_goth, I don't know :)
[10:25] <hybrid_goth> joe__: welcome
[10:25] <nitin> hey anyone know if breezy is broken right now
[10:25] <joe__> can anyone help
[10:25] <sJaM> it stands for verbose
[10:25] <joe__> i'm looking to install Limewire
[10:25] <jk24> nitin, see /topic
[10:25] <ubuntu> hi all
[10:25] <sJaM> actually
[10:25] <hybrid_goth> tritium: i think he did and made a major nuclear reaction
[10:25] <sJaM> but you don't need it
[10:25] <Thewarmachine> joe
[10:25] <PLaf> well thanks for your help all, im gona go
[10:25] <Thewarmachine> see the wiki
[10:25] <ubuntu> its nice
[10:25] <hybrid_goth> joe__: new to linux?
[10:25] <jk24> sJaM, do as you like... I like it
[10:25] <tritium> hybrid_goth, tritium is often used for that ;)
[10:25] <mihai_> why is ubuntu on all distrowatch boards ?
[10:26] <hybrid_goth> tritium: heh
[10:26] <jk24> sJaM, you should help him
[10:26] <sJaM> I know
[10:26] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, yes, but without boot-admin, you are left with webmin or manual editing which is harder still
[10:26] <sJaM> but I can't help everyone
[10:26] <joe__> yeah new to Linux
[10:26] <Thewarmachine> joe ill help
[10:26] <nitin> if it possible to get the special effects (composite + tansparancies) in hoary?
[10:26] <tritium> hybrid_goth, seriously
[10:26] <nitin> is it*
[10:26] <sJaM> sorry for that jk24
[10:26] <sJaM> just wondered
[10:26] <jk24> sJaM, np
[10:27] <joe__> I'm still trying to find my way around
[10:27] <hybrid_goth> joe__: well try this apt-get install limewire
[10:27] <hybrid_goth> tritium: i know
[10:27] <tritium> Thewarmachine, I haven't forgotten you.  GIve me a moment.
[10:27] <joe__>  there's so much to learn
[10:27] <Thewarmachine> http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[10:27] <hybrid_goth> joe__: yes but it is worth it
[10:27] <Thewarmachine> go there joe_
[10:27] <hybrid_goth> !limewire
[10:27] <joe__> how long have u been using Linux
[10:27] <ubotu> I don't know, hybrid_goth
[10:27] <IcemanV9> another ?? - which programming language (GUI) can be ported to Windows?? i did not want to install win just to create an app for my parents' win box
[10:27] <nitin> is it possible to get the special effects (composite + tansparancies) in hoary?
[10:27] <joe__> yeah so i'm told, i moved from win2k caused it crashed quite a bit and i jus want to learn more about this OS
[10:28] <Thewarmachine> iceman i think gtk
[10:28] <KB2000> IcemanV9: mono and C# should be quite portable and fairly easy
[10:28] <hybrid_goth> joe__: on and off for 3 yrs and since jan/feb i have used it non stop
[10:28] <Thewarmachine> lol
[10:28] <Thewarmachine>  that wasnt it i guess
[10:28] <anto9us> any pointers on setting up a mail server on ubuntu?
[10:28] <hybrid_goth> joe__: it can be fun if you let it
[10:28] <chrissturm> IcemanV9, wxwindows is nice
[10:28] <mihai_> jk24, i got the jre 1.5 .bin file what now ?
[10:28] <joe__> I've downloaded Limweire RPM
[10:28] <zever> where can i get a full partition table
[10:28] <joe__> i HAVE NO IDEA WHAT RPM is
[10:28] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, true
[10:28] <joe__> or how to get it to do anything
[10:28] <Thewarmachine> wel alien -d -i the package name here
[10:28] <IcemanV9> ty KB2000 chrissturm - will look into it :)
[10:29] <tritium> joe__, please don't yell, thanks
[10:29] <Thewarmachine> joe do what I told you
[10:29] <hybrid_goth> joe__: well do this alien -d <limewire rpm> the sudo dpkg <limewire deb>
[10:29] <joe__> oopps sorry
[10:29] <tonyo> does anyone use a toshiba laptop?
[10:29] <hybrid_goth> joe__: RPM is used in red hat linux
[10:29] <joe__> didn't mean to yell
[10:29] <nitin> anyone here use a ferrari 4000 laptop
[10:29] <hybrid_goth> nitin: ferrari?
[10:29] <jk24> mihai_, (as it's writen on the docs,...) open a shell, and type make-jpkg the_big_file_form_sun_you_have.bin
[10:29] <Thewarmachine> JOE JUST FOLLOW THE WIKI
[10:29] <nitin> hybrid_goth: yep, acer ferrari
[10:30] <joe__> the wiki?
[10:30] <hybrid_goth> nitin: how fast does it go from 0 to Linux?
[10:30] <Thewarmachine> i gave it to you for a  reassin
[10:30] <joe__> ummmm this may sound silly but where is the wiki
[10:30] <Thewarmachine> i sent you the adress
[10:30] <Thewarmachine> you want it again
[10:30] <Thewarmachine> ?\
[10:30] <nitin> hybrid_goth: well its amd turon 2.0ghz 64bit :P so i bet its pretty fast
[10:30] <IcemanV9> nitin: i was thinking about purchasing one .. how was it so far?
[10:30] <joe__> yes please
[10:30] <Thewarmachine> http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[10:30] <hybrid_goth> nitin: :-P
[10:30] <joe__> cheers
[10:30] <nitin> IcemanV9 its crazy fast
[10:31] <hybrid_goth> Thewarmachine: thats not a wiki
[10:31] <Thewarmachine> lol
[10:31] <EGCdgital> I need some help
[10:31] <Cater90su100> Hello! Someone can tell me how restore Grub after a reinstall of Windows?
[10:31] <EGCdgital> ='(
[10:31] <IcemanV9> nitin: Ubuntu64 works good?
[10:31] <nitin> with x700 gfx card -> i can play CS source @ 1680x1050 with 70fps
[10:31] <nitin> IcemanV9 that what im about to try
[10:31] <EGCdgital> my video card dont works
[10:31] <nitin> IcemanV9 hopefully it does ><
[10:31] <EGCdgital> only 1024
[10:31] <Thewarmachine> lets say it is for this purpose
[10:31] <EGCdgital> how fix that?
[10:31] <IcemanV9> ah! ok :)
[10:31] <_frank> !recover
[10:31] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, recover is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[10:31] <Thewarmachine> ;)
[10:31] <hybrid_goth> what is that amd 64 bit dual core processor coming out
[10:32] <_frank> Cater90su100:
[10:32] <Cater90su100> thx ubotu
[10:32] <erb> hi
[10:32] <Cater90su100> yes _frank
[10:32] <EGCdgital> I've ati radeon 9200
[10:32] <nitin> anyone know if its possible to get the nice graphices working in hoary -> translucency and xcompmanager with all those nice mac like special effects ?
[10:33] <zever> where can i get a full partition table
[10:33] <Will_> My toes itch. Can linux help?
[10:33] <Bubbling_Zombie> zever, cfdisk /dev/hd<letter>
[10:33] <Bubbling_Zombie> sure Will_
[10:33] <EGCdgital> somebody?
[10:33] <hybrid_goth> zever: type sudo parted /dev/hda1/ then type print
[10:33] <IcemanV9> nitin: it was mentioned often in forums on composite & translucency
[10:33] <Bubbling_Zombie> done with the itching :')
[10:34] <nitin> anyone have an X700 radeon working in horay?
[10:34] <IcemanV9> nitin: you could try with LiveCD to see how it works
[10:34] <Bubbling_Zombie> o...k... so i'm not the only geek here -_-
[10:34] <Will_> Bubbling_Zombie: Geekier than thou, perhaps
[10:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how to determin what app has gone Zombie?
[10:34] <ompaul> how do I get this beauty to work? Creative Labs SB Audigy LS
[10:35] <IcemanV9> ChurcH_of_FoamY: check with top
[10:35] <Bubbling_Zombie> imagine that Will_ xD
[10:35] <Thewarmachine> hey....foamy
[10:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i did it just says 1zombie
[10:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hi
[10:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[10:35] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: wb
[10:35] <Thewarmachine> do you mean neurotically yours foamy?
[10:36] <Cybo-Mobile> what does ubuntu call the kernel package it is using for the kernel?
[10:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes the neurotically yours foamy
[10:36] <Thewarmachine> yeah!!
[10:36] <jk24> mihai_, when you get the .deb, dpkg -i it, and anjoy
[10:36] <jk24> good night
[10:36] <Thewarmachine> hilarious
[10:36] <shali> I installed fluxbox, why does it not work?
[10:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> if you waite for a bit pillzy will show up
[10:37] <Thewarmachine> lol
[10:37] <Cybo-Mobile> kernel-image shows nada for me
[10:37] <nalioth> shali: what doesnt work about fluxbox?
[10:37] <stempien> does anyone have a clue why after inputting login and password, pushing enter (all under X's) i get brown screen and no gnome????
[10:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so um like this app as gone zombie and i can't tell which it is
[10:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> brb gonna reboot x
[10:38] <shali> nalioth: I mean as I restart the X, and choose the fluxbox, it shows only the mouse.
[10:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> maybe that will work
[10:38] <nalioth> shali: how long do you wait?
[10:39] <jasoncohen> are there any plans to add an option to update notifier to automatically download & install security updates?
[10:39] <shali> nalioth: nalioth: so not so lang, less than 30 seconds. But fluxbox is a light weight window manager, isn't it?
[10:40] <ompaul> nalioth any ideas on getting this one going? Creative Labs SB Audigy LS
[10:41] <hybrid_goth> anyone use a creative zen micro with linux?
[10:41] <nalioth> shali: the fluxbox that is default has a little bug in reading fonts
[10:41] <nalioth> shali: takes it a while to load
[10:41] <nalioth> shali: can you compile?
[10:42] <shali> nalioth: really? I have a livecd(dsl), it loads the fluxbox in seconds.
[10:42] <teprrr> hmm, so, how long do you think X will be broken in breezy?
[10:42] <teprrr> week, two, more?
[10:42] <shali> nalioth:yes, i can compile.
[10:42] <tritium> Thewarmachine, sorry, had an important phone call.
[10:42] <nalioth> shali: the DSL livecd is far different from ubuntu
[10:43] <nalioth> shali: if you compile fluxbox with "./configure --disable-xmb" it should load immediately
[10:43] <shali> but they are all based on debian. and ubuntu should be faster than a live cd.
[10:43] <eli> anyone know how to make the terminal tell you the size of all the information inside a folder? =S
[10:43] <Thewarmachine> tritium should I wait for crimsun?
[10:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[10:43] <ptlo> eli: du -sh folder
[10:44] <eli> gracias :)
[10:44] <ptlo> de nada (if my spanish is correct :)
[10:44] <IcemanV9> stempien: are you using Breezy? if so, it's broken; i have seen this behavior on my test box
[10:44] <EGCdgital> =)
[10:44] <EGCdgital> yep
[10:44] <tritium> Thewarmachine, if it's not too much trouble.  He'd be more knowledgeable than me.
[10:44] <eli> ptlo , rest assured it is good ;)
[10:44] <KB2000> icemanv9: i've seen the breezy behaviour on my real machine :(
[10:45] <Thewarmachine> well i was sent a package by my friend who got help from crimsun
[10:45] <ulisse> hi all
[10:45] <Thewarmachine> this is the name
[10:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is linux hardware dependant like m$ for games
[10:45] <Thewarmachine> alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-386_1.0.8-4ubuntu4_i386
[10:45] <Will_> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Explain?
[10:45] <tritium> Thewarmachine, yeah, they built new modules
[10:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have a game that runs in xp (of course >.<) but when i try to install that game in linux
[10:45] <Thewarmachine> how do i install that
[10:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it just won't run and zombies out on me
[10:46] <Thewarmachine> dpkg -i roght?
[10:46] <eli> !keybindings
[10:46] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, eli
[10:46] <tritium> Thewarmachine, yes
[10:46] <Raskall> thinkgeek.com (and ups) impresses me. I ordered 8 shirts and som other small stuff on friday. Got the package today. US to Norway in one business day is impressive.
[10:46] <KB2000> raskall: wow, that's wicked
[10:46] <ulisse> I'm trying to connect a win2k3 share via smb: but it keeps to ask me to login, when there is no login on that share...
[10:46] <IcemanV9> KB2000: yike! hope you have hoary on your real box
[10:46] <teprrr> so, anyone know how long it's aprox. take? I mean when breezy will be usable again...
[10:46] <ulisse> someone can help?
[10:46] <Thewarmachine> i installed it
[10:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[10:46] <lsuactiafner> i want a shirt that says 'i'm currently away from my pc right now.'
[10:47] <KB2000> icemanv9: i do know... but i got it working before... but i was tired of fixing everything all the time... the forums were quite helpful, but it was still annoying...
[10:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so anyone here use linux for gaming?
[10:47] <lsuactiafner> and 'dont as me to fix your pc'
[10:47] <joe__> what is fakeroot
[10:47] <joe__> or how should i log in as fake root?
[10:47] <lsuactiafner> i use it to game..
[10:47] <tritium> Thewarmachine, okay, hopefully the newer module will be autoloaded at boot now.
[10:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what games do you play
[10:47] <lsuactiafner> ut2004 doom and q3a only tho
[10:47] <shali> joe: fakeroot is a program to make to act like a root
[10:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[10:47] <IcemanV9> KB2000: well, of course, you do know there is risk using breezy! :p
[10:47] <Raskall> lsuactiafner: thinkgeek.com has a shirt that says "No, I will not fix your computer!"
[10:47] <lsuactiafner> ut2004 on amd64 is damn fast
[10:47] <IcemanV9> *risk for using
[10:47] <lsuactiafner> yeh, need that one Raskall
[10:48] <lsuactiafner> currenly have a pc here i need to fix up
[10:48] <lsuactiafner> hate it
[10:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i can play steam and such but not ragnarok (private server) and it sucks
[10:48] <lsuactiafner> i'm not a techie
[10:48] <hybrid_goth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: a guy mail himself from NYC to Houston and when the law found out the fine was greater then the plane ticket
[10:48] <lsuactiafner> and i dont know how windows works..
[10:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_O
[10:48] <KB2000> icemanv9: i knew, but i was too tempted by the freshness of the packages... I did have a working machine and i fixed the problems that occured, but it was still annoying to fix it twice a week... hehe
[10:49] <ulisse> someone can help me with samba?
[10:49] <shali> ulisse: what is your problem?
[10:50] <ulisse> shali, i can't connect to a w2k3 share, i'm asked to login but there is no login for that share...
[10:51] <teprrr> hmm, no one is hearing me because I use kde? :/
[10:51] <shali> ulisse: u mean u want to share the files of a windows server from a linux box?
[10:51] <lsuactiafner> teprrr : kubuntu
[10:51] <teprrr> lsuactiafner, they don't know much about ubuntu internals (like x) I think
[10:51] <ulisse> shali, I want to access that files
[10:52] <hybrid_goth> teprrr: try #kubuntu ...
[10:52] <IcemanV9> teprrr: mm .. my hearing aid must be broken :p
[10:52] <teprrr> hybrid_goth, I'm already there, but as I answere lsuactiafner, I don't think they know about X stuff :P
[10:52] <shali> ulisse: do you use a gui or command line to mount?
[10:53] <hybrid_goth> teprrr: :-P well it is KDE :P
[10:53] <teprrr> and besides of that, I've already asked there
[10:53] <teprrr> hybrid_goth, nah, it's X which is broken :P
[10:53] <ulisse> shali, the best result I got was via nautilus (smb://192.1....)
[10:53] <hybrid_goth> breezy?
[10:53] <teprrr> hybrid_goth, yeah
[10:53] <teprrr> hybrid_goth, just thinking when it could be usable again
[10:53] <ulisse> shali, it pops up a windows and asks for user and password
[10:53] <hybrid_goth> teprrr: Have you tried it lately
[10:54] <ulisse> but other PC in the network, with windows on board, access the share w/o password
[10:54] <priest> does ubuntu have a .deb for flashplayer to firefox?
[10:54] <teprrr> hybrid_goth, yes, I just upgraded to it.. xbase-clients isn't installable
[10:55] <KB2000> priest: i think there's a wiki article on ubuntu.com that shows an easy way to install flash for firefox
[10:55] <hybrid_goth> teprrr: so you are in CLI?
[10:55] <KB2000> priest: or maybe it was on ubuntuguide.org
[10:55] <teprrr> hybrid_goth, yup
[10:55] <tritium> priest, in multiverse, yes.
[10:55] <hybrid_goth> teprrr: i love it
[10:55] <eli> priest type !codecs
[10:55] <tritium> !info flashplayer-mozilla
[10:55] <teprrr> hybrid_goth, cool
[10:55] <ubotu> flashplayer-mozilla: (Macromedia Flash Player), section multiverse/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-0.0 (hoary), Packaged size: 956 kB, Installed size: 2136 kB
[10:55] <eli> and go to that page listed
[10:55] <priest> tritium: what's the packagename?
[10:55] <doodz> hello priest
[10:55] <tritium> priest, see ubotu's response above :)
[10:56] <joe__> how do i install JAVA?
[10:56] <joe__> does anyone know about Kynaptic
[10:56] <priest> doodz: hey honey :D
[10:56] <eli> joe__ type !codecs
[10:57] <[2] BoxingFiend> !restricted
[10:57] <ubotu> I heard restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:57] <qt2> where do i stick xmodmap stuff? i tried /etc/X11/xmodmap, but it was a no-go...
[10:57] <doodz> priest: what's up dude?
[10:57] <KB2000> joe__: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[10:57] <tritium> joe, type "!java" here and read ubotu's reply
[10:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ubotu hi
[10:57] <ubotu> hello
[10:57] <doodz> !java
[10:57] <ubotu> rumour has it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin.
[10:57] <Burgundavia> KB2000, please don't recommend the ubuntuguide
[10:58] <KB2000> Burgundavia: why not?
[10:58] <hybrid_goth> ubotu has some anoying responces
[10:58] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, hybrid_goth
[10:58] <Burgundavia> KB2000, some of it is not accurate, and it offers no explanations
[10:58] <KB2000> Burgundavia: sorry, but it looks pretty good and has helped me in some cases
[10:58] <IIIEars> Hi ChurcH_of_FoamY, Burgundavia
[10:58] <mgan> Hallo
[10:58] <Burgundavia> KB2000, the wiki is better resource
[10:58] <hybrid_goth> !windows
[10:58] <ubotu> windows is probably Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[10:59] <KB2000> Burgundavia: ok, i'll go by the wiki from now on... :)
[10:59] <tritium> KB2000, for example, the preferred method of obtaining java involved using java-package
[10:59] <hybrid_goth> !alternative
[10:59] <ubotu> [alternative]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[10:59] <IIIEars> ubotu what is a computer? ( is this what you meant by annoying)
[10:59] <ubotu> IIIEars: what are you talking about?
[10:59] <Thewarmachine> tritium i installed that package
[10:59] <IIIEars> ubotu what is a computer? ( is this what you meant by annoying)
[10:59] <tritium> Thewarmachine, did you reboot?
[10:59] <Thewarmachine> nah
[10:59] <Thewarmachine> ill do thaat in a few
[10:59] <IIIEars> gotta love "Are you smoking Crack?"
[10:59] <Gatton> Burgundavia, do you live in here? ;)  That's my way of saying...thanks for all the help you give us newbies :)
[11:00] <hybrid_goth> !ubotu
[11:00] <ubotu> I heard ubotu is uh...  Thaaats me!
[11:00] <Burgundavia> Gatton, not really
[11:00] <IIIEars> Burgundavia - "" Thank You. :)
[11:00] <snackalot> how to remove a user
[11:00] <nalioth> !good bot
[11:00] <ubotu> thanks nalioth :)
[11:00] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: heh
[11:00] <hybrid_goth> !bad bot
[11:00] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, hybrid_goth
[11:01] <nalioth> snackalot: system > admin > users and groups
[11:01] <snackalot> what is a bot and what dos it do
[11:01] <snackalot> cant get it to open can i do it from command promt
[11:01] <Andril> hello all
[11:01] <glick> excuse me, i installed sun-j2re1.5 via apt and java still doesnt work in firefox :(
[11:01] <glick> how do i get web java working?
[11:02] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: how do ya remove a user from terminal?
[11:02] <tritium> glick, one that you built with java-package?
[11:02] <Andril> I am experiencing a sluggish effect within Ubuntu - when I try to connect to the Internet - anyone else have this issue?
[11:02] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: quick way? rm -f *
[11:02] <IIIEars> dd if=/dev/cdrom0 of=/home/my_directory/a_new.iso   Gives the error "... is a folder." - Would someone pl-e-a-s-e give a poor newbie a clue?
[11:02] <glick> tritium, huh? i didnt build it
[11:03] <hybrid_goth> or maybe deluser
[11:03] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: please be serious, snackalot wants to know
[11:03] <tritium> glick, that's the preferred method.  see the wiki page.
[11:03] <hybrid_goth> deluser
[11:03] <IIIEars> Hint? Pointer? - lol
[11:03] <Gatton> i usually use userdel -r  but i think deluser will do the same thing as hybrid_goth said
[11:03] <snackalot> thank but im not a geek
[11:05] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: check out topal
[11:05] <IIIEars> celery stalks what? peanut butter?
[11:05] <eli> question for the knowledgable -> if i were to do a global keybinding how do i type in the scroll button?
[11:05] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, most of the breezy goals are still listed as WIP. when will we have a better idea what's going to get implemented in breezy and what isn't
[11:05] <eli> example: <Control><???>
[11:05] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, unified installer will come
[11:06] <snackalot> i added user now cant get root or user groups or pkg manager please HELP!!!
[11:07] <tritium> hybrid_goth, buck up little buddy :)
[11:07] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i'm wondering about this - http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals and better print support - auto setup of hpoj and automatic calling of gnome-cups-add as shown in http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/PrintingRoadmap
[11:07] <hybrid_goth> tritium: i set up an alias just for fun in .bashrc that is oh_shit_here_is_the_cops and it is sudo rm -r *
[11:07] <IIIEars> snackalot - don't panic - someone here has the answer.
[11:07] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, printing is almost certainly not going to be done, due to lack of people to do it
[11:07] <tritium> hybrid_goth, dude, what is it you need to hide?
[11:08] <hybrid_goth> tritium: from the mpaa or riaa?
[11:08] <hybrid_goth> :P
[11:08] <snackalot> THANK YOU 3 EARS
[11:08] <nalioth> tritium: he has nothing to hide, cuz he'll still be on "cops" when they get to him
[11:08] <tritium> heh
[11:08] <IIIEars> Don't make me give snackalot an answer. give him a little help. - if you don't i the newb will. (uh-oh)
[11:08] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-July/008850.html
[11:08] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: i am ratting on you first
[11:08] <supernix>  Anyone know of a GUI FTP client that runs on KDE that I can use?
[11:09] <nalioth> IIIEars: wheres the newb?
[11:09] <supernix> I tried kbear it keeps crashing though
[11:09] <Burgundavia> supernix, #kubuntu might have a better answer
[11:09] <tritium> and if they come asking, hybrid_goth who?  don't know the dude...
[11:09] <ompaul> snackalot, are you that user now?
[11:09] <pax> supernix: kbear
[11:09] <IIIEars> <<<- (raises hand for snackalot)
[11:09] <hybrid_goth> tritium: heh
[11:09] <_frank> supernix: You can use gftp
[11:09] <snackalot> RIGHT HEARS THE NUBI
[11:09] <hybrid_goth> supernix: try gftp if it runs in KDE
[11:09] <supernix> Burgundavia: tried them no luck though
[11:09] <snackalot> not the one i added
[11:09] <supernix> what is gftp _frank
[11:09] <supernix> ?
[11:09] <Burgundavia> supernix, does konqueror not do ftp?
[11:10] <pax> supernix: konqi works just fine too.
[11:10] <_frank> supernix: I run gftp on kde and it works fine
[11:10] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, too bad
[11:10] <supernix> #kubuntu told me that kbear was real unstable ?
[11:10] <hybrid_goth> !ftp
[11:10] <ubotu> Wish i knew, hybrid_goth
[11:10] <eli> why just use ftp? its a simple system
[11:10] <ompaul> snackalot, please do not use caps lock, it is considered really bad manners, and shouting
[11:10] <supernix> thanks _frank I shall try that
[11:10] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, the ubuntu team is really really small. 20 developers to debians 1000
[11:10] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, what's the unified installer?
[11:10] <ompaul> snackalot, I asked you are you that user now?
[11:10] <supernix> what is konqi Pax ?
[11:10] <pax> supernix: konqueror
[11:10] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, last pieces are landing now, should be ready for colony-3
[11:11] <snackalot> sorry bout that guss thers a few things i need to learn
[11:11] <supernix> OIC LOL I should have figured that one out
[11:11] <snackalot>  no i am not
[11:11] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, why doesn't ubuntu have more developers?
[11:11] <supernix> didn't know that Konqueror would do ftp though sounds great
[11:11] <loply> hi folks
[11:11] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, it has only been around for a year?
[11:11] <tritium> jasoncohen, Debian is a much older project
[11:11] <Burgundavia> and debian is the 2nd oldest still active distro
[11:11] <jasoncohen> true, but ubuntu has gained a lot of popularity very quickly
[11:11] <hybrid_goth> grrr
[11:11] <loply> a few weeks ago both of my Hoary Hedgehog desktops stopped booting, telling me "pivot_root: no such file or directory \n /sbin/init: 428: cannot open dev/console: no such file"... is this a known issue?
[11:12] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, what's the oldest- slackware?
[11:12] <_frank> Burgundavia: what is the oldest distro? slack?
[11:12] <hybrid_goth> jasoncohen: i second that
[11:12] <loply> this is with all ubuntu kernels including recovery mode
[11:12] <hybrid_goth> _frank: yup
[11:12] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, _frank yes
[11:12] <pax> the oldest is minix :p
[11:13] <stinky> I have a wireless chipset on my laptop, ipw2200.  And it worked yesterday , but this afternoon, it still "works" but it doesn't see any wireless networks anymore.  Does Anybody have any idea what the problem could be
[11:13] <ptlo> jasoncohen, ubuntu doesn't start from scratch. it's based on a very high quality distro (debian), and adds new features which made it so popular (and also a cool "marketing" strategy :)
[11:13] <jasoncohen> ptlo, i know
[11:13] <ptlo> pax :))))
[11:13] <hybrid_goth> pax: minix isnt linux
[11:13] <jasoncohen> ptlo, i used debian before shifting my desktop to ubuntu
[11:13] <IIIEars> doh! - 13 weeks and i am not a newb? - certainly not a guru - lol
[11:13] <hybrid_goth> linux isnt minix
[11:13] <nalioth> pax: minix isnt linux
[11:13] <jasoncohen> my server still runs sarge
[11:14] <nalioth> IIIEars: we are all newbs at something
[11:14] <tritium> loply, nobody else is experiencing that problem.  What changed in your system?
[11:14] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: yea i am prolly a windows newbie now i forgot all i knew and i aint great at OSX
[11:14] <ompaul> pax, if you want that kind of age start looking at the BSDs but as they said that ain't Linux
[11:14] <IIIEars> nalioth - you have been very helpful. If i haven't said it before. - THANK YOU! :)
[11:14] <pax> Linux systems relied on Minix components.
[11:15] <stinky> I'm gonna write a column about my ubuntu installation :), been very "weird"
[11:15] <nalioth> IIIEars: not bad for a cabbie, eh?
[11:15] <IIIEars> hybrid_goth - too true - rofl
[11:15] <ompaul> pax it was initally build on a minix disk but that was all, when it ran it ran by itself
[11:15] <hybrid_goth> pax: linux is reverse engineered minix
[11:15] <IIIEars> nalioth - i should get more sleep - lol
[11:16] <supernix> I am curious why are people choosing Gnome over KDE ?
[11:16] <pax> Linux did start as a Minix hack. Period.
[11:16] <nalioth> supernix: why do folks choose ford over chevy or dodge?
[11:16] <hybrid_goth> but linux isnt never was minix
[11:16] <supernix> LOL so just a matter of person prefs
[11:16] <hybrid_goth> just like linux isnt unix
[11:16] <pax> You can hack my statement all you want, it wont change the fact.
[11:17] <epiloc> Everytime I reboot, I have to fetch an ip address fromt my router with "dhclient wlan0"  ...  I want to write a script to automatically do this on startup.  Where would I start?  Keep in mind I am a linux newb :)
[11:17] <jasoncohen> supernix, well, the KDE in kubuntu is pretty crappy. it's not customized like the KDE in fedora or mandrake etc
[11:17] <IIIEars> Trying to mount an Alcohol 120% *.mdf file or convert it to an iso for linux install. - no luck. dd, ddrescue all give me the destination is a folder error. - tips?
[11:17] <jasoncohen> although mandrake's artwork has gotten uglier and uglier it seems
[11:17] <ompaul> pax, ehhh ask Andrew S. Tanenbaum about that (the author of Minix) he will tell you to several decimal places exactly how wrong you are
[11:17] <tritium> epiloc, System->Administration->Networking
[11:18] <anto9us> epiloc: System | Networking and set the device as configured with dhcp and it should do it automagically from then on
[11:18] <IIIEars> Same trouble with dd if=/ of=/ some.iso file
[11:18] <hybrid_goth> ompaul: heh thanx
[11:18] <jasoncohen> epiloc, you should just use DHCP. it should be the default
[11:18] <nalioth> IIIEars: stop using stuff meant for windows
[11:18] <stinky> Anybody knows any issus about wlan cards just stopping to see networks just like that
[11:18] <jasoncohen> epiloc, system > administration > networking. choose configuration DHCP for your ethernet card (probably eth0)
[11:19] <pax> ompaul: ask linus tovarlds with no lawyer next to you, he'll tell you.
[11:19] <IIIEars> nalioth - Believe me another 2-3 hour long windows reinstall is a pain. - linux is fast flexible and powerful.
[11:19] <epiloc> im running wireless, so ill try wlan0
[11:20] <rg58sma> hii
[11:20] <stinky> epiloc, my wireless is eth0 :p
[11:20] <rg58sma> someone use clackconnect???''
[11:20] <epiloc> stinky, iwconfig should tell me right?
[11:20] <pax> As Linux was being written, it was written on a Minix-using computer,
[11:20] <pax> like you might use scaffolds to help you construct a building. As the
[11:20] <pax> building is built, you get rid of the scaffolding, bit by bit, and at
[11:20] <pax> the end, you don't need any scaffolding at all, because the building
[11:20] <pax> stands on its own.
[11:20] <ompaul> pax, go and study with Ken Brown, President of the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution
[11:20] <devscott> I was wondering if someone could help me with xargs. I tried googling but I had no luck.
[11:21] <stinky> epiloc, so should the networking tool
[11:21] <ompaul> pax, cos he is about the only one on planet earth who might agree with you
[11:21] <tuxxman> hello
[11:21] <IIIEars> << Isn't linux a copy of Sun's 5,000 OS originally?
[11:21] <tuxxman> i am installing vmware
[11:21] <devscott> I have this command  find -name :2eDS_Store | xargs --null rm
[11:21] <Thewarmachine> TRITIUM I DID IT!!!
[11:21] <tuxxman> it is asking:
[11:21] <devscott> but it says the file name is to long
[11:21] <tuxxman> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[11:21] <tuxxman> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] 
[11:21] <tuxxman> where are they
[11:21] <tritium> Thewarmachine, way to go, dude :)
[11:22] <hybrid_goth> pax: i agree with the building analogy
[11:22] <tuxxman> tritium: do u know
[11:22] <ompaul> IIIEars, no it is a posix based system which is what that sun implementation was supposed to be :)
[11:22] <tuxxman> cmon
[11:22] <IIIEars> Sun wanted 5 thousand dollars for a university/corporate license that linus and many others couldn't afford?
[11:22] <_frank> tuxxman: install the package linux-source first
[11:22] <tuxxman> someone help me please
[11:22] <tuxxman> ok
[11:22] <tuxxman> how do i do that
[11:22] <tuxxman> apt-get?
[11:22] <tuxxman> it dont work, it says no installation candidate
[11:22] <tritium> tuxxman, what?
[11:23] <tuxxman> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[11:23] <tuxxman> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] 
[11:23] <tuxxman> tritium: do u know where they are?
[11:23] <tritium> tuxxman, you nead to "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r):
[11:23] <tuxxman> ok
[11:23] <tuxxman> thx man
[11:23] <tritium> sure
[11:24] <IIIEars> What is the easiest way to create and mount an iso image or a protected disk?
[11:24] <tritium> tuxxman, no colon.  That was supposed to be a closing "
[11:24] <tuxxman> yeah i figured
[11:24] <tuxxman> so after that installs, what do i do
[11:24] <Thewarmachine> IIIEars there is mkisofs
[11:24] <tuxxman> nevermind i got it
[11:24] <tritium> tuxxman, then you'll have the headers installed, and you can go about doing what you were trying before
[11:25] <tuxxman> tritium: thx man
[11:25] <tritium> of course :)
[11:25] <IIIEars> Thewarmachine - Thank You. - guess i'll give that a shot.
[11:26] <devscott>  I have this command  find -name :2eDS_Store | xargs --null rm       but it won't run because it says the file name is to long. Any ideas?
[11:26] <Thewarmachine> lllEars google iso and linux
[11:26] <IIIEars> Anyone want an mpeg of me smashing a Windows box when i can install Farcry?
[11:26] <Thewarmachine> have a good day folks ill be on later
[11:26] <IIIEars> on linux
[11:27] <din> devscott, try \:2eDs_Store
[11:27] <Thewarmachine> whatever
[11:27] <rg58sma> hii
[11:27] <IIIEars> heh
[11:27] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: what are you smashing it with
[11:27] <devscott> din: same thing
[11:27] <stinky> shouldn't smash windows :)
[11:27] <stinky> you'll need it
[11:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> whos smashing what?
[11:27] <IIIEars> I am open to suggestion.
[11:27] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: if it is a windows box i want to see great suffering
[11:27] <epiloc> jasoncohen, stinky, tritium, anto9us, thanks for the info... found an easy soultion
[11:28] <IIIEars> Disassemble and microwave each part seperately?
[11:28] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: maybe internal fire?
[11:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the best way to make windows sweat is to pull out the power cable from the hd while it's running
[11:28] <tritium> epiloc, what did you do?
[11:28] <nalioth> IIIEars: not spectacular enough, and will destroy your microwave
[11:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[11:28] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: the microwave sounds nice
[11:28] <stinky> windows is less exhausting to get too work
[11:28] <IIIEars> microwaves are only 60 bucks at wal mart
[11:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no no put it on the train tracks just as a train goes by
[11:29] <Pro_Newbie> mrgreen@host13:~$ sudo cp download/cedega+p2p/install/etc/X11/applnk/ /etc/X11/
[11:29] <Pro_Newbie> cp: omitting directory `download/cedega+p2p/install/etc/X11/applnk/'
[11:29] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: maybe launching bottle rockets at it
[11:29] <anto9us> stinky: that's not only debatable but very dependant on what you want from it
[11:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that way you can tell people that windows kills
[11:29] <tritium> stinky, good luck getting windows to keep working ;)
[11:29] <Pro_Newbie> Why doesnt copys the dir i want???
[11:29] <IIIEars> I don't have any bottle rockets :/
[11:29] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: blackcats?
[11:29] <devscott> din: output is here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/666
[11:30] <spanglesontoast> hello there
[11:30] <vladuz976> anybody know why apt-get install sshd doesn't return anything
[11:30] <Raptoid> slmlr.
[11:30] <nalioth> vladuz976: you need to install "openssh-server"
[11:30] <Chris24TN> hi, all. for various reasons, i want to set up an ftp server on my home machine (not ssh), but the wiki doesn't give me much info on this. can anyone help here?
[11:30] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: pour diesel on it and we can all party! broadcast it over a website and we all will have a salute
[11:30] <spanglesontoast> does anyone ubuntu failing to install on a k6 something about bootstrap
[11:30] <sleeper_> hi
[11:30] <sleeper_> what i must install to vieu wmv files?
[11:30] <vladuz976> nalioth: is that what it's called?
[11:30] <epiloc> tritium, just had to find the dhcp utility and enable in for wlan0 upon startup
[11:30] <alexwillmer> vladuz976: because the correct package is openssh-server
[11:31] <nalioth> vladuz976: yes it is
[11:31] <Chris24TN> wmv = windows media video = you need windows media player
[11:31] <spanglesontoast> does anyone ubuntu failing to install on a k6 something about bootstrap
[11:31] <hybrid_goth> Chris24TN: nope mplayer plays them i believe
[11:31] <epiloc> tritium, i am just unfamiliar with the gui
[11:31] <nalioths_dog> sleeper_: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[11:31] <Chris24TN> sleeper_, i'm afraid you're stuck with windows, unless you want to go spelunking in wine territory
[11:31] <Chris24TN> hybrid_goth, i was unaware of that
[11:31] <sleeper_> i know that we can see wmv files with xine
[11:31] <Chris24TN> hybrid_goth, does it just need some ddls or something?
[11:31] <sleeper_> but i need install something
[11:32] <Chris24TN> dlls
[11:32] <hybrid_goth> Chris24TN: mplayer will play about anything with the codecs
[11:32] <tritium> epiloc, really, you should have it setup in /etc/network/interfaces to "auto" and "dhcp"
[11:32] <IIIEars> Sounds good. - maybe a nice BBQ roast a few hotdags? (probably not a good idea to eat them smoked in PCBs)
[11:32] <sleeper_> qhat pakage i must install to see it?
[11:32] <nalioth> wmv3 codecs (which are used in WMP 9 and 10) may not play in linux at all. ymmv
[11:32] <spanglesontoast> does anyone ubuntu failing to install on a k6 something about bootstrap?
[11:32] <tritium> epiloc, "man interfaces" for details
[11:32] <vladuz976> nalioth: still doesn't return anyting
[11:32] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: i believe i saw win32 codecs in mplayer's essential codecs
[11:32] <nalioth> vladuz976: it should, that's the pkg name
[11:32] <nalioth> vladuz976: try using synaptic
[11:32] <Chris24TN> hmmm...so does anyone here have any advice on setting up a simple ftp server on my ubuntu box? i just want to share files with one friend of mine over the internet. he's not a power user, so i'm not going to force him to learn ssh and linux commands
[11:33] <alexwillmer> sleeper_: look at the link Nathlioths_dog posted, it should explain where to get the dlls
[11:33] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: yes, but support is spotty for the latest from uncle bill
[11:33] <stinky> tritium, I agree that windows needs lotsa formats, but quite there is more support for win :p
[11:33] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: oh yea like OOo having .doc
[11:33] <nalioth> Chris24TN: i recommend an ssh server
[11:33] <vladuz976> nalioth: oh it's installed
[11:33] <vladuz976> that's why
[11:33] <nalioth> vladuz976: that would do it
[11:33] <Chris24TN> nalioth, well true, it's more secure, but is there a gui client that he can use? he runs windows xp
[11:33] <vladuz976> nalioth: how do you start it
[11:34] <tritium> stinky, well, we're here trying to support ubuntu, doing what we can
[11:34] <nalioth> Chris24TN: putty, filezilla, and others use ssh
[11:34] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: do you have somewhere where you could broadcast over the internet a live cam of the computer fire?
[11:34] <nalioth> vladuz976: it is running now
[11:34] <Chris24TN> i'll have to check out filezilla, i know that putty is going to be beyond him
[11:34] <LasseL> Chris24TN, if he can use ftp he can also use sftp -- check winscp
[11:34] <Chris24TN> he needs something "drag-n-drop" simple
[11:34] <vladuz976> nalioth: don
[11:34] <vladuz976> nalioth: don't know
[11:34] <nalioth> Chris24TN: filezilla emulates windows explorers interface
[11:34] <Chris24TN> very cool
[11:34] <alexwillmer> Chris24TN: try this  http://ubuntuguide.org/#ftpserver
[11:35] <nalioth> vladuz976: try from a term "ssh 127.0.0.1"
[11:35] <nalioth> alexwillmer: try not to recommend ubuntuguide
[11:35] <vladuz976> nalioth: what is 127.0.0.1
[11:35] <alexwillmer> oh, why?
[11:35] <Omni|Work> Hi there |D|.
[11:35] <hybrid_goth> vladuz976: loopback to your ip
[11:35] <nalioth> vladuz976: that is the IP address of your machine (local)
[11:35] <nalioth> !ubuntuguide
[11:35] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is probably a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[11:35] <epiloc> tritium, the man pages should keep me occupied for a while, thx
[11:36] <nalioth> alexwillmer: there are lots of pitfalls in the guide for new linux users
[11:36] <Belutz> nalioth: do you know image viewer app like ACDSee in Windows?
[11:36] <alexwillmer> nalioth: righto, understood
[11:36] <tritium> epiloc, cool :)
[11:36] <vladuz976> nalioth: ok done
[11:36] <KB2000> belutz: gthumb should be good
[11:36] <Chris24TN> alexwillmer, thanks so much, i think that's what i need
[11:37] <nalioth> Belutz: if you have java, there is jcdsee, and there is gthumb, kview, (a whole buttload of em)
[11:37] <Chris24TN> it's not like this thing has to be secure, anyway. it's a toy box and file server, really
[11:37] <IIIEars> is irfanview open source?
[11:37] <Belutz> KB2000: oh yes... never try that before :D
[11:37] <nalioth> Chris24TN: practice makes perfect
[11:37] <vladuz976> nalioth: where do i go from here
[11:37] <axis> how do i enable esd support with mplayer
[11:37] <KB2000> IIIEars: i think it is... but not quite sure
[11:37] <Belutz> nalioth: ok, thx, fortunately i just installed java :D
[11:37] <nalioth> IIIEars: yes it is, i believe
[11:37] <_frank> axis: I think yo just go in mplayer preferences
[11:38] <nalioth> vladuz976: you find your local IP (external) and go to kinkos or a friends house and "ssh vladuz976@vlads.ip.address"
[11:38] <KB2000> anybody got skype working with esd?
[11:38] <axis> _frank,  it doesn't detect esd.. i need the ./configure param for ESB
[11:38] <axis> er, ESD
[11:38] <oliwer> hi all
[11:38] <Chris24TN> nalioth, very true, and of course every day spent with the penguin is another day of mind-beating learning
[11:38] <KB2000> i still need to do "killall esd" before i use skype
[11:38] <axis> ./configure --enable-gui --enable-esound
[11:38] <axis>  ?
[11:38] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: is he tryin to forward a port
[11:38] <Servo888> Anybody know how to make a software link on a device node perminant? Seems after a reboot it disappears
[11:38] <nalioth> Chris24TN: yes, but learning here, the knowledge isnt useless with the next release
[11:38] <alexwillmer> a strange question, when switch between folders evolution jumps to some random point and must be scrolled to new messages, why doesn't it keep the scroll position where it was left?
[11:39] <hybrid_goth> axis: ./configure --help
[11:39] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: vladuz976 is wanting to use his sshd from outside his house, i think
[11:39] <vladuz976> nalioth: i find my ip with ifconfig?
[11:39] <axis> serious.. like i've found 4 ways to do it already .. and then i found one sweet way .. now i've lost it
[11:39] <Morti> I did an apt-get dist-upgrade from Warty to Hoary and now X won't start. Says it can't load the nvidia module but the nvidia module seems to be there, I tried a modprobe nvidia and everything.
[11:39] <nalioth> vladuz976: ifconfig will show you, yes
[11:39] <oliwer> is somebody running xfce here ?
[11:39] <tritium> Morti, "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[11:40] <hybrid_goth> oliwer: i am
[11:40] <vladuz976> nalioth: i tried from my laptop but i can't access it
[11:40] <tritium> Morti, warty->hoary switches from xfree86->xorg
[11:40] <Morti> Don't have nvidia-glx-config, it'd seem.
[11:40] <Morti> tritium: I know.
[11:40] <oliwer> hybrid_goth > do you know how to enable icons on desktop ?
[11:40] <snackalot> i know its better to figure things out by yourself but iwish to god that someone would have told me 6 monts ago that the man pages were were thy are
[11:40] <hybrid_goth> vladuz976: do you have a firewall up
[11:40] <vladuz976> hybrid_goth: i think i don't
[11:41] <topyli> oliwer: you want trash, home, computer? those icons?
[11:41] <hybrid_goth> oliwer: start up nautilus
[11:41] <tritium> Morti, if you don't have that command "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx"
[11:41] <vladuz976> hybrid_goth: i just connected to the router and it says no firewall
[11:41] <oliwer> hybrid_goth : yes ! and maybe other (shortcuts)
[11:41] <Morti> tritium: Thanks.
[11:41] <boow> doesn't ubuntu already have nvidia-glx
[11:42] <oliwer> hybrid_goth > i don't have nautilus (i have kubuntu :(
[11:42] <hybrid_goth> vladuz976: ok j/w for it maybe blockin a port but nvm
[11:42] <Morti> I don't see why nvidia-glx would be completely left out...
[11:42] <KB2000> is gaim 1.4.0 available for hoary?
[11:42] <hybrid_goth> oliwer: you have UbuntuX if you have XFCE
[11:42] <boow> hoary already has nvidia glx
[11:42] <axis> hybrid_goth: there's a command to disable ESD support, but not to enable it ... ???
[11:43] <tritium> boow, yes, linux-restricted-modules should depend on it, and bring it in
[11:43] <axis> hybrid_goth, : and when it compiles, it says .. "installing esd support ..... NO"
[11:43] <Morti> tritium: Weird. Well, it works now. Thanks. :)
[11:43] <Velcan> is there a channel for the evolution mail client? #evolution is for something far more ludicrous. :P
[11:43] <tritium> Morti, cool :)
[11:43] <hybrid_goth> KB2000: try backports
[11:43] <hybrid_goth> !backports
[11:43] <ubotu> backports is at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org. Backports are not advised for regular use, mainly because you might not be able to upgrade Ubuntu.
[11:43] <tritium> Velcan, yes, on irc.gnome.org I believe
[11:43] <devscott> I having problem with "  find -name :2eDS_Store | xargs --null rm "    but it won't run because it says the file name is to long. output is here http://pastebin.com/315838. It looks to me like find is giving it all to xargs as one big line. How do I fix this?
[11:43] <axis> where's the link for enabling ESD support with mplayer
[11:43] <axis> come on i know some of you use MPlayer
[11:44] <Echelon-H> Hey!
[11:44] <oliwer> hybrid_goth > hum... i've a kubuntu and i installed xfce later. What do you mean by "ubuntuX" ?
[11:44] <mumbles> !mplayer
[11:44] <ubotu> mplayer is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto
[11:44] <snackalot> no totem works just fine
[11:44] <hybrid_goth> someone needs to change ubotu backports are safe now
[11:44] <ptlo> axis: the command line switch is -ao esd  (use esd audio output plugin)
[11:44] <Morti> Slightly confused as to why I seem to have a Debian menu now.
[11:44] <Echelon-H> can Alias Maya work on ubuntu?
[11:44] <Morti> Ubuntu showing its roots a little. ;)
[11:44] <ptlo> axis: there is probably something equivalent to put in your ~/.mplayerrc
[11:44] <anto9us> hybrid_goth: will they remain so?
[11:44] <KB2000> hybrid_goth: no lucjk
[11:44] <axis> ptlo: i  got that .. but apparent'y i don't have the  plugin
[11:44] <KB2000> luck*
[11:44] <hybrid_goth> oliwer: it is a joke ubuntux is ubuntu with xfce like kubuntu is ubuntu with kde
[11:44] <MartinDuke> Hello
[11:45] <Echelon-H> annyone got a clue if MAYA works on ubuntu?
[11:45] <tritium> Morti, you must have installed something that depends on the debian menu system package
[11:45] <topyli> Morti: you have installed menu and menu-xdg or whatsitcalled
[11:45] <snackalot> ptlo if you install gstreamer totem will work
[11:45] <hybrid_goth> axis: are you compile from source
[11:45] <Morti> I guessed that, but a bit weird for Ubuntu to require that.
[11:45] <axis> hybrid_goth, : yes
[11:45] <topyli> Morti: universe packages are very much debian
[11:45] <hybrid_goth> KB2000: if it isnt in backports it isnt availiable unless you get a deb
[11:45] <hybrid_goth> anto9us: yes
[11:46] <oliwer> hybrid_goth > I would be happy if ubuntuX could exist ;)  I'm gonna launch the project lol
[11:46] <KB2000> hybrid_goth: damn... well, they do have an autopackage
[11:46] <axis> codecs, video, full screen.. a okay. esound not enabling..
[11:46] <KB2000> hybrid_goth: but i autopackages aren't well integrated in the apt system yet...
[11:46] <tritium> oliwer, and what would differentiate it?
[11:46] <hybrid_goth> axis: well do this ./configure --help and it will let you know what all you can do i.e. -enable-graphics
[11:46] <ptlo> snackalot: i use totem myself (and imho the gstreamer framework is great!:), i was just trying to help axis with mplayer install
[11:46] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: using debian debs is not advised
[11:47] <hybrid_goth> oliwer: good luck we tried long time ago but hey we didnt try too hard
[11:47] <axis> hybrid_goth, : if you don't know, don't say anything
[11:47] <axis> hybrid_goth, : i've read the --help a bunch of times
[11:47] <MartinDuke> HELLO!
[11:47] <oliwer> tritium > it would be an ubuntu without gnome && kde
[11:47] <snackalot> sorry
[11:47] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: yes but if he wants to have 1.4 he *can*
[11:47] <boow> i never could get gstreamer to play dvds so i use totumxine
[11:47] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: it isnt in backports he tells me
[11:47] <Echelon-H> What's the name of the windows emulator? Something like WAIM?
[11:47] <axis> hybrid_goth, : it says ALOT about disabling ESD, but not ENABLING .. MPlayer tries to install ESD by default, but it's not finding it
[11:47] <bpuccio> ummm, hello MartinDuke
[11:47] <MartinDuke> thank you!
[11:47] <flipy> well
[11:47] <hybrid_goth> axis: i was just saying it should tell you all your options
[11:47] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: using debian debs can break your ubuntu, better to compile from source
[11:48] <topyli> Echelon-H: wine
[11:48] <tritium> oliwer, go for it
[11:48] <axis> does nobody here use mplayer?
[11:48] <oliwer> hybrid_goth > what was the main problem ?
[11:48] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: they say compiling will do the same
[11:48] <flipy> does anyone know if there is any way to unistall a package without all the ncurses questions? (or to tell apt-get to forget the broken packages... o to reinstall them without unistall it first)
[11:48] <topyli> axis: we love totem too much :)
[11:48] <axis> pole smokers lol
[11:48] <Quest-Master> Eww Totem
[11:48] <Quest-Master> VLC forver :D
[11:48] <Echelon-H> topyli, thanks
[11:48] <hybrid_goth> oliwer: not enough ppl we knew using xfce so we didnt really get up an going enough to try for the official stand
[11:48] <Echelon-H> Quest-Master, AYE :D
[11:48] <oliwer> tritium > ok :) maybe in ten years when i'll know how to build nice debian packages
[11:49] <Quest-Master> <3
[11:49] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: just don't advise debian debs, w/o a warning of system breakage
[11:49] <tritium> oliwer, :)
[11:50] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: ok
[11:50] <gentoothreefour> is it possible to get a console background while your in the console working it?
[11:50] <oliwer> hybrid_goth > i was wondering : can we use something else than KDM or GDM ?
[11:50] <Echelon-H> Do you think that Ventrilo might work with WINE?
[11:50] <gentoothreefour> is it possible to get a console background while your in the console working it?
[11:51] <topyli> Echelon-H: look in the apps database in winehq.org
[11:51] <axis> Serious  .. I found like 3 tutorials yesterday on how to get sound working.. now i can't find anything today, WTF
[11:51] <hybrid_goth> oliwer: look in kynaptic for alternatives
[11:51] <axis> ESOUND Mplayer damnit
[11:51] <oliwer> ok
[11:51] <gentoothreefour> is it possible to get a console background while your in the console working it?
[11:51] <tritium> axis, relax
[11:52] <nalioths_dog> gentoothreefour: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[11:52] <axis> link me
[11:52] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: is your dog a bot
[11:52] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: no, he's a lazy fat furball
[11:53] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: heh
[11:53] <tritium> gentoothreefour, you can use transparent backgrounds with gnome terminal
[11:53] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: that reminds me did you see that interview on /. with the head of mozilla
[11:53] <Velcan> Looking for a good mail app that has capability to be removed to the notification area.
[11:53] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: no i've missed it (or has it been more than 2 days?)
[11:54] <Echelon-H> is it worth installing Wine? anyone ever used it?
[11:54] <Belutz> !samba
[11:54] <ubotu> samba is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[11:54] <_frank> Echelon-H: I use it to run DVD Shrink
[11:54] <devscott> scott@Carbon:/mnt/stor/Music$ find -print -name :2eDS_Store |xargs -0 rm
[11:54] <devscott> xargs: argument line too long
[11:54] <Belutz> !mplayer
[11:54] <ubotu> it has been said that mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto
[11:54] <devscott> any ideas?
[11:54] <Belutz> !vlc
[11:54] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, vlc is a media player with native support for a large handfull of popular formats and excellent streaming support
[11:54] <hybrid_goth> hey everyone i g2g bbl tonight
[11:55] <axis> ok like..  mplayer installs fine.. SOUND DOESN"T WORK
[11:55] <Belutz> hmmm
[11:55] <loply> hi folks
[11:55] <LoneElf> Which repository is  sun-j2re1.5 in?
[11:55] <loply> when i try and log in (Hoary) gnome reports that "GDM could not write to your authorization file." any idea what the first thing i shoudl check is? Perms on my home dir are normal, and nothing within it is wrongly permed
[11:55] <Madpilot> backports, I think
[11:56] <Madpilot> yes, the jre is in backports...
[11:56] <LoneElf> thx
[11:56] <nalioth> loply: go into your rescue terminal and delete your .ICEauthority
[11:57] <nalioth> loply: sometimes nautilus changes it to RO instead of RW for some crazy reason
[11:57] <tritium> LoneElf, or build your own .deb from Sun's .bin installer with java-package.  This is the preferred method.
[11:57] <Madpilot> loply: or chown it to your user. I've had to do that sometimes
[11:57] <Velcan> Can anyone suggest a good mail client with the appility to be removed to the notification area?
[11:57] <oliwer> hybrid_goth > after searching, i think that XDM coupled with xbanner would be the best choice for an ubuntuX. Did you ever tried xdm ?
[11:57] <nalioths_dog> LoneElf: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[11:57] <loply> wtf, the kernel just spammed me with an NLS error and now my capslock key isnt working
[11:57] <loply> so I cant delete ICEauthority lol
[11:57] <loply> i think a reboot is in order, one second
[11:57] <nalioth> Velcan: i dont know of any mail apps with panel notification
[11:57] <loply> ah, I got it using tab completion
[11:57] <Madpilot> loply: um, SHIFT should still work?
[11:57] <Velcan> :(
[11:57] <flipy> does anyone know if there is any way to unistall a package without all the ncurses questions? (or to tell apt-get to forget the broken packages... o to reinstall them without unistall it first)
[11:57] <loply> no, strangely capital I works but no other letters :S
[11:58] <nalioth> loply: that is <DOT>ICEauthority
[11:58] <loply> yeah i know the file
[11:58] <Echelon-H> Hmm.
[11:58] <Echelon-H> I wonder if I should install WINE for ventrilo.
[11:58] <Velcan> there's gotta be one. seems odd that one is not more common
[11:58] <Echelon-H> Can wine screw up anything?
[11:58] <snackalot> can some body tell me how to tell if i broke my ubuntu with to manny debs
[11:58] <nalioth> Velcan: write a panel dockling for one
[11:58] <loply> ive removed it, im just rebooting with the root mounted ext3 instead of 2, maybe that was causing the keyboard error (?)
[11:59] <LoneElf> snackalot, That is a terrible question.
[11:59] <loply> btw out of interest folks, my two ubuntu boxes stopped booting (kernel panic) and to fix it I had to remove the (default option) "splash" from the kernel options
[11:59] <snackalot> but its the truth cant get root
[11:59] <Velcan> i mean if im working i dont want my mail app taking up a spot on my window list but i do need to know when i get mail
[11:59] <loply> dunno why but splash stopped them both booting, so there yah have it
[11:59] <oliwer> hybrid_goth > after searching, i think that XDM coupled with xbanner would be the best choice for an ubuntuX. Did you ever tried xdm ?
[11:59] <TheRoss> who knows how to install FTD4Linux on Ubuntu??
[11:59] <tritium> Velcan, ask teferi about what he's working on
[12:00] <Velcan> nalioth:  can you explain that or refer me to some doc.