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| === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Kubuntu 5.04 Released http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu || w00t for katapult :D - please idle in #katapult | ||
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| === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Kubuntu 5.04 Released http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu || w00t for katapult :D - please idle in #katapult | ||
| === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Mez at Fri Jul 15 00:39:27 2005 | ||
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| pef | hello | 09:35 |
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| \sh | morning pef | 09:39 |
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| pef | JRe: hi ;) | 10:14 |
| JRe | pef: hi :) | 10:15 |
| JRe | pef: how are you? | 10:15 |
| pef | JRe: fine and you ? | 10:17 |
| JRe | pef: fine too ;) | 10:17 |
| JRe | pef: i am packaging kat0.6.0beta1 | 10:17 |
| JRe | ;) ;) ;) | 10:17 |
| pef | JRe: no longer libxrender.la issue ? | 10:20 |
| JRe | pef: kat is not katapult | 10:20 |
| pef | I have a problem I don't know how to handle :/ | 10:21 |
| pef | I'm packaging k9copy, which needs a specific vamps version provided by the author of k9copy | 10:22 |
| JRe | what is a vamps ? | 10:22 |
| pef | a command line tools to work on mpeg strams | 10:23 |
| JRe | ok | 10:24 |
| JRe | so you have to first package the command line tool | 10:24 |
| JRe | and after k9copy, is it that? | 10:24 |
| pef | wrong way :) | 10:25 |
| pef | k9copy needs the modified version of vamps | 10:25 |
| \sh | xrender issues should be fixed | 10:25 |
| \sh | xbase-clients is next ,-) | 10:25 |
| pef | Riddell: ping | 11:11 |
| Riddell | pef: hi | 11:11 |
| pef | Riddell: hi :) | 11:11 |
| pef | Riddell: building kdepim stops with /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXfixes, maybe missing dependency ? | 11:12 |
| pef | Riddell: #12799, if you can have a look ;) | 11:13 |
| \sh | Riddell: did u say yesterday, everything what is not build-depending on kdebase can be compiled? | 11:17 |
| Riddell | \sh: actually first thing is to sort out amd64 | 11:20 |
| Riddell | anyone got an amd64 going spare :) | 11:20 |
| \sh | Riddell: mithrandir has ravel ,-) | 11:21 |
| \sh | is amd buildd working again??? | 11:21 |
| \sh | woot...it's alive | 11:22 |
| Riddell | it's alive and arts hasn't built :( | 11:22 |
| \sh | ay | 11:23 |
| \sh | libXrender.la | 11:24 |
| Riddell | which means qt probably needs stricter build-deps somewhere | 11:24 |
| \sh | lemme check | 11:25 |
| \sh | ok..tightend the build-deps for xrender and xcursor | 11:28 |
| \sh | but he pulls in Setting up libxrender-dev (0.9.0-1) ... | 11:30 |
| \sh | Setting up libxcursor-dev (1.1.4-0ubuntu3) ... | 11:30 |
| \sh | in the amd64 buildd...hmmm | 11:30 |
| \sh | and this is correct from the build-deps u gave for arts | 11:31 |
| Riddell | are those the latest versions of libxrender and libxcursor? | 11:32 |
| \sh | yes..but xorg is quite -36 | 11:32 |
| \sh | s/quite/still/ | 11:32 |
| Riddell | xcursor (1.1.4-0ubuntu4) * Make the xrender build-dep versioned, to rid us of libXrender.la. | 11:33 |
| \sh | hmm...so it wasn't in the archive | 11:34 |
| \sh | so kicxcursor_1.1.4-0ubuntu4_20050719-0615-amd64-successful.gz | 11:34 |
| \sh | there it is | 11:34 |
| \sh | another kick should be ok... | 11:35 |
| \sh | and the time fits ,-) arts was ready before xcursor | 11:36 |
| pef | Riddell: needs to add libxfixes-dev to kdepim build-depends, no ? | 11:55 |
| Riddell | pef: looks like it, will do that too | 12:01 |
| pef | Riddell: should I fill a bug on malone ? | 12:04 |
| Riddell | pef: bugzilla I think if you want | 12:06 |
| pef | Riddell: when should I use malone or bugzilla ? | 12:06 |
| JRe | pef: good question :) | 12:06 |
| pef | JRe: ;) | 12:07 |
| Riddell | pef: malone for universe, bugzilla for main | 12:08 |
| Riddell | as far as I know anyway | 12:08 |
| pef | thanks :) | 12:08 |
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| \sh | Riddell: I think we kick back arts to the amd64 buildd | 01:14 |
| Mez | hmmles | 01:14 |
| \sh | looks like it was compiled at the wrong time | 01:15 |
| Mez | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 01:15 |
| Mez | xbase-clients: Depends: xdpyinfo but it is not installable | 01:15 |
| Mez | Package xdpyinfo is not available, but is referred to by another package. | 01:15 |
| Mez | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or | 01:15 |
| Mez | is only available from another source | 01:15 |
| Mez | E: Package xdpyinfo has no installation candidate | 01:15 |
| \sh | mez: at least u hit breezy xorg break | 01:16 |
| \sh | come in and sit down :) | 01:16 |
| Mez | ah | 01:16 |
| Mez | so when's the planned fix/ | 01:16 |
| Riddell | \sh: yeah, I'm playing with some other qt patches but I'll upload it soon | 01:16 |
| Mez | cause I'm trying to fix kdepim | 01:16 |
| \sh | Riddell: lamont can kick them back...no upload needed | 01:17 |
| \sh | actually we need a complete rebuild of everything ,-) | 01:17 |
| \sh | to see what is breaking | 01:17 |
| Riddell | I should add tighter dependencies on qt I think | 01:17 |
| \sh | .oO(after daniels is send back by god and give us a real Xorg to work with) | 01:17 |
| Mez | so... er... | 01:18 |
| Mez | why is xorg broken? | 01:18 |
| Riddell | Mez: daniels stopped xbase-clients from compiling temporarily | 01:19 |
| Riddell | so it's just an empty package | 01:19 |
| Mez | whyyyy .? | 01:19 |
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| Riddell | dunno, it's a temporary step until all the xbase-clients are split into their own packages | 01:21 |
| \sh | questions over questions...please switch on your irssi next week to see how Mez bashed his head ,-) | 01:21 |
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| \sh | mez: problem is really: we have to w8 for daniels...really..I can't type any umlauts, at signs, can't use my alt-gr and some other keys... | 01:38 |
| \sh | right now i'm feeling just like sitting in a timemachine back to 1994 | 01:39 |
| pef | \sh: problem with dead keys ? | 01:43 |
| pef | \sh: same problem with french accents, please have a look at bugzilla #12799 | 01:50 |
| JRe | \sh: lol | 01:51 |
| Mez | yeah - I just saw tha pef | 01:57 |
| \sh | pef: I'm w8ing :) | 02:00 |
| JRe | ^a | 02:03 |
| \sh | nodeadkeys? ,-) | 02:04 |
| \sh | but I'm talking about serious problems like alt-gr+q for an at sign | 02:04 |
| \sh | or ctrl+alt+f1 for switching to console | 02:04 |
| pef | \sh: xbk issue, no ? | 02:14 |
| \sh | pef: yes. | 02:14 |
| pef | \sh: have you xkb related errors in xorg.log ? | 02:14 |
| \sh | pef: back to plain xkb ... no german layout bla | 02:15 |
| \sh | anyways..I | 02:15 |
| \sh | 'm waiting for daniels fix... | 02:15 |
| pef | \sh: same problem, have you tried to install xkeyboard-config ? | 02:15 |
| pef | I _had_ the same problem :) | 02:15 |
| \sh | shermann@shermann-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get -s install xkeyboard-config | 02:16 |
| \sh | shermann@shermann-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get -s install xkeyboard-config | 02:17 |
| \sh | The following packages will be REMOVED: akregator amarok amarok-arts amarok-engines amarok-gstreamer amarok-xine ark artsbuilder dcoprss gdm gksu gnome-applets gnome-applets-data gnome-control-center gnome-netstatus-applet gnome-panel | 02:17 |
| \sh | and this is only one line of packages | 02:17 |
| \sh | The following packages will be upgraded: xkeyboard-config | 02:18 |
| \sh | funny | 02:18 |
| pef | \sh: rdepends on this package returns me only 4 packages, strange... | 02:18 |
| \sh | for me as well | 02:20 |
| \sh | 3 | 02:20 |
| \sh | Reverse Depends: edubuntu-desktop xserver-xorg-core ubuntu-desktop | 02:20 |
| \sh | anyways...lets try :) | 02:20 |
| \sh | I have some time *adventure | 02:21 |
| \sh | if I'm not responding anymore...then I have a problem :) | 02:21 |
| pef | \sh: don't forget your irssi copy :) | 02:22 |
| \sh | i think my memory will be removed as well | 02:22 |
| pef | it took me a moment with xlibs debs to get my x working again :/ | 02:23 |
| pef | have to go out | 02:26 |
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| Riddell | community council in a bit, anything we need brought up? | 02:31 |
| \sh | grmp | 02:32 |
| \sh | when is CC? | 02:32 |
| Riddell | "fix X" doesn't count :) | 02:32 |
| Riddell | 1.5 hours | 02:32 |
| \sh | 14:UTC? | 02:32 |
| \sh | actually I broke my X again ,9 | 02:32 |
| Riddell | 14:00 yes | 02:33 |
| \sh | does anybody has a xbase-clients -39? | 02:33 |
| \sh | aeh xlibs | 02:34 |
| Riddell | bottom of http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/tmp/ | 02:35 |
| \sh | no..i need at least -39 | 02:36 |
| Riddell | why? | 02:36 |
| \sh | everything else is not compatible with xkeyboard-config | 02:36 |
| Riddell | oh, dunno. british keyboards still work | 02:37 |
| Riddell | well, until I want to write a pound sign | 02:37 |
| \sh | I can't write a at sign..and this is really important :) | 02:37 |
| Riddell | you could use british keyboard layout | 02:37 |
| \sh | right now I fcked everything | 02:38 |
| \sh | just close again to install hoary ,-) | 02:38 |
| Mez | Riddell: why is there an ubuntu gnome team, but not an ubuntu KDE team? | 02:45 |
| Riddell | Mez: because you havn't put your name on https://wiki.ubuntu.com//MOTUKDE ? | 02:48 |
| Mez | I'm not a MOTU | 02:49 |
| Mez | and I was on about like - core team | 02:49 |
| Mez | btu wait you're the only full upload Kubuntu dev arent you? | 02:50 |
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| insanekane | hello all | 02:50 |
| insanekane | Riddell: any progress on using Qt-embedded in the installer ? | 02:50 |
| Riddell | insanekane: debian-installer is text only | 02:51 |
| insanekane | hmm ... amu said there was going to be some effort in the direction of a GUI installer | 02:51 |
| \sh | ok...reinstall time *grmpf | 02:52 |
| Riddell | not sure the progress on that, ubuntu-express is in the archives | 02:52 |
| \sh | brb | 02:53 |
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| insanekane | hmm its quite funny ... ubuntu-express | 02:57 |
| insanekane | anyway | 02:57 |
| insanekane | Riddell: im making some wizards to go with the media:/ renaming script ... hope to submit it soon | 02:58 |
| insanekane | until then ... ciao | 02:58 |
| Riddell | insanekane: media renaming script? | 02:58 |
| insanekane | yeah .. | 02:59 |
| Riddell | insanekane: what does that do? | 02:59 |
| insanekane | dunno if you have followed the discussion on the devel mailing list | 02:59 |
| Riddell | which devel mailing list? | 02:59 |
| insanekane | gives sane names to the devices in media:/ ioslave | 02:59 |
| insanekane | kubuntu-devel | 02:59 |
| insanekane | sane names = Windows A1, Linux B2 etc | 02:59 |
| JRe | insanekane: it would be nice to contact kevin ottens for that! | 03:00 |
| JRe | insanekane: it's him who has developped the media kioslave | 03:00 |
| insanekane | JRe: for what ? Qt-embedded in the installer ? | 03:00 |
| JRe | insanekane: for media names | 03:00 |
| insanekane | JRe: well, i have talked to the person who developed it (didn't know his name) on #kde-devel ... but he is not interested in such things i believe ... atleast not now | 03:00 |
| JRe | insanekane: ervin ? | 03:01 |
| insanekane | yeahthats him | 03:01 |
| insanekane | erwin i think | 03:01 |
| JRe | ok | 03:01 |
| JRe | insanekane: if ervin told you that he would make something don't worry! but to be sure of the state of his work, you should post a bug report on http://nugs.kde.org | 03:03 |
| JRe | s/nugs/bugs/ | 03:03 |
| JRe | insanekane: i know that ATM is heavily working on system:/ | 03:04 |
| insanekane | hmm .. | 03:10 |
| insanekane | so am i | 03:10 |
| insanekane | JRe: he didnt say he would make something ... but he said it was out of the scope of media:/ | 03:11 |
| JRe | insanekane: ok! so it's because of HAL ? | 03:12 |
| insanekane | JRe: anyway, i am making only some simple pyqt wizards for new internet connection, media:/ renaming, K-Menu complexizer, etc | 03:12 |
| insanekane | JRe: no, i solved the problem using HAL | 03:12 |
| insanekane | so, my wizards are for silly things like that ... i will contribute it, but i doubt it will reach the quality expected | 03:13 |
| insanekane | anyway, i have to go, ciao | 03:13 |
| JRe | insanekane: a piu tardi ;) | 03:13 |
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| \sh | back | 03:39 |
| insanekane | \sh: hello :) | 03:40 |
| insanekane | \sh: how are you ? | 03:40 |
| \sh | just reinstalled hoary after destroying breezies X completly | 03:40 |
| insanekane | hrmm | 03:41 |
| \sh | doesn't matter | 03:41 |
| pef | \sh: sh 0 - xorg 1 ;) | 03:42 |
| \sh | hehe | 03:42 |
| \sh | no | 03:42 |
| \sh | \sh 0 - xorg 5 | 03:43 |
| pef | :/ | 03:43 |
| insanekane | Riddell: still no reply from Martin Pitt on the pmount question ... wonder is he is too busy/unavailable for general queries | 03:44 |
| \sh | no I'm staying with hoary until I see an announcement of daniels *grmpf* | 03:44 |
| Mez | insanekane, he's just emkailed the dev list about dropping mozilla to universe | 03:46 |
| insanekane | oho | 03:46 |
| insanekane | Mez: is that kubuntu-dev ? or ubuntu-dev ? | 03:46 |
| Mez | ubuntu-devel | 03:47 |
| insanekane | hmm ... am not subscribed to that .. | 03:47 |
| Mez | http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-July/009107.html | 03:47 |
| insanekane | Mez: maybe my question was stupid | 03:50 |
| insanekane | Mez: do you know where hal gets the hard disk information from ? | 03:54 |
| Mez | no idea | 03:56 |
| sebas | insanekane: Probably somewhere in /proc/, /proc/scsi/scsi and /proc/ide/hda/model for example. | 03:59 |
| seth_k | CC meeting starting now | 04:02 |
| Riddell | insanekane: he does say he's busy, what's the question | 04:04 |
| Riddell | insanekane: /sys I'd imagine | 04:04 |
| insanekane | Riddell: the question is ... why the extra security for mounting harddisks ? | 04:12 |
| insanekane | Riddell: the same security should be applicable to USB pen drives also right ? | 04:13 |
| insanekane | Riddell: because of this pmount problem, the media:/ ioslave is unable to mount harddisks | 04:17 |
| insanekane | sebas, Riddell : the properly i am interested in is "volume.partition.msdos_part_table_type" ? | 04:22 |
| insanekane | Riddell: but it is available only if HAL doesn't drop priveleges ... i wonder why it is a privileged information (and how to change it not to be so) | 04:23 |
| sebas | insanekane: What's in there? | 04:26 |
| sebas | We're reading that sort of information directly from /proc in guidance | 04:26 |
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| insanekane | sebas: it returns stuff like 0x83 (== ext3), 0x82 (== swap) for each partition .. | 04:39 |
| insanekane | bbl | 04:39 |
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| fromoze | Hi, I'd like to make a question I've see many times on #kubuntu-es: Why there's not i18n package for amarok? | 05:52 |
| Riddell | fromoze: because langpacks and KDE are a bit broken in hoary | 05:54 |
| fromoze | it'll be on breezy? | 05:54 |
| Riddell | fromoze: when main packages are uploaded any language files generated get sucked out and into rosetta | 05:55 |
| Riddell | fromoze: then another script takes the lanuguage packs for ubuntu and puts them in the ubuntu language packages | 05:55 |
| Riddell | which means KDE ones get a bit lost | 05:55 |
| fromoze | I see... | 05:55 |
| Riddell | fromoze: jolly well better be sorted out for breezy | 05:55 |
| fromoze | Well, thanks, now I can defend the miss package ;) | 05:56 |
| fromoze | And I'll say people to help in Rosetta... | 05:57 |
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| allee | Riddell: bit OT: your kolab blog confuses me: '..not providing RPMs as their Debian packages could have..'. Sounds like debs are available but I could not find them :( | 06:50 |
| Riddell | allee: they provide RPM packages for debian | 06:51 |
| allee | Riddell: 'k those I used ;) but it's a mess (almost 1 GB of additional software :( ) | 06:52 |
| Riddell | yep | 06:52 |
| allee | but 'everyone' seems to be afraid to debianize them ;) | 06:52 |
| Riddell | yep | 06:52 |
| Riddell | because they use their own little file heirarchy | 06:53 |
| Riddell | and don't use the existing apache or imap server | 06:53 |
| allee | I hope to find the time to check their install script to get rigt at least of 'standard' pkgs that are not don't need customized config files | 06:54 |
| allee | s/rigt/rid/ | 06:54 |
| allee | apache and imap are especially problematic. They need special conf setup to play wel together. I don't see an | 06:55 |
| allee | easy way to get this properly into debian pkgs system. | 06:55 |
| Riddell | just have a Include kolab.conf in httpd.conf ? | 06:57 |
| allee | I've not look into the config changes yet. After bootstrapping kolab2, find /kolabl -mtime -1 listed more than a dozend of modified config files. | 06:59 |
| Riddell | well they used the autopkg stuff to avoid caring about anyone's packaging system | 07:09 |
| Riddell | so it's presumably not designed for it :( | 07:09 |
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| allee | yep. But no word prominently placed word about security (updates). That scares me. | 07:13 |
| Riddell | hmm, yes | 07:13 |
| allee | Better a bit harder install and instead easy (security) updates ;) | 07:14 |
| Riddell | well I don't think their installation is any easier than having an apt archive, it's just easier from their view as programmers and packagers | 07:15 |
| Riddell | commercial software that's the problem, it's designed for their customers not for random debian users | 07:15 |
| allee | not the software is commercial but the support. Having huge ammount of software help to sell support ;) | 07:18 |
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| fromoze | Hi, may be I must do it may it's done. Are there any web where're linked kubuntu apps on rosetta? | 09:25 |
| fromoze | I'll like to help a little more on translations; but I'm going to disappear for some weeks (finally the hollydays are coming). Is Rosetta a good way to do it? | 09:29 |
| sebas | fromoze: You could better ask the local KDE teams for that, only they if Rosetta is a good point to start *in your language*. | 09:30 |
| fromoze | Because new people on #kubuntu-es wants to help and I'm thinking to push them to help in translations, but I'd like to know if the rosettas is a good option. | 09:30 |
| sebas | What's your mother tongue? | 09:30 |
| fromoze | gallician ;) | 09:30 |
| fromoze | my second is better: spanish | 09:31 |
| sebas | Ah, are you already involved with kdehispano.org ? | 09:32 |
| fromoze | no | 09:32 |
| sebas | Well, that's a good place to start. The locatlization / translation stuff is done per language. | 09:33 |
| sebas | On that webpage you can find the people / lists to contact, just say that you'd like to help translating and someone will probably pick you up. | 09:34 |
| allee | fromoze: a general link for everyone interested in KDE translations: http://i18n.kde.org/teams | 09:39 |
| fromoze | Excuses, allee and sebas, I'd a phone call. I'll try to get into a localteam, but bettet after hollydays. I was interested on rosetta to push newbies in, but I understand isn't a really good way to help to kubuntu. | 10:03 |
| sebas | fromoze: Ok, welcome (in advance) to KDE :) | 10:05 |
| fromoze | sebas: I won't go so far sebas, welcome me better when I show you some translations done ;) | 10:06 |
| sebas | Ok :) | 10:06 |
| sebas | You're not visiting aKademy? | 10:06 |
| fromoze | don't remember me that... I can't :( | 10:07 |
| sebas | Ah, bummer. | 10:08 |
| fromoze | I've exams in september, 1,3 and 5 | 10:08 |
| fromoze | Is a really bad luck strike; normally I've exams later. If they started 5 I'll try to be on Malaga for the first days. | 10:09 |
| fromoze | Is known where is the 2006 akademy? or is biannual? | 10:10 |
| fromoze | May be is better to try to go to an akademy in a foreinger country and travel a little ;) | 10:11 |
| fromoze | Pleased to met you, see you later; dinner time :) | 10:16 |
| sebas | It's annual, bon appetit! | 10:16 |
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