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=== Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Kubuntu 5.04 Released http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu || w00t for katapult :D - please idle in #katapult
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=== Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Kubuntu 5.04 Released http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu || w00t for katapult :D - please idle in #katapult
=== Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Mez at Fri Jul 15 00:39:27 2005
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[09:35] <pef> hello
[09:39] <\sh> morning pef
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[10:14] <pef> JRe: hi ;)
[10:15] <JRe> pef: hi :)
[10:15] <JRe> pef: how are you?
[10:17] <pef> JRe: fine and you ?
[10:17] <JRe> pef: fine too ;)
[10:17] <JRe> pef: i am packaging kat0.6.0beta1
[10:17] <JRe> ;) ;) ;)
[10:20] <pef> JRe: no longer libxrender.la issue ?
[10:20] <JRe> pef: kat is not katapult
[10:21] <pef> I have a problem I don't know how to handle :/
[10:22] <pef> I'm packaging k9copy, which needs a specific vamps version provided by the author of k9copy
[10:22] <JRe> what is a vamps ?
[10:23] <pef> a command line tools to work on mpeg strams
[10:24] <JRe> ok
[10:24] <JRe> so you have to first package the command line tool
[10:24] <JRe> and after k9copy, is it that?
[10:25] <pef> wrong way :)
[10:25] <pef> k9copy needs the modified version of vamps
[10:25] <\sh> xrender issues should be fixed
[10:25] <\sh> xbase-clients is next ,-)
[11:11] <pef> Riddell: ping
[11:11] <Riddell> pef: hi
[11:11] <pef> Riddell: hi :)
[11:12] <pef> Riddell: building kdepim stops with /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXfixes, maybe missing dependency ?
[11:13] <pef> Riddell: #12799, if you can have a look ;)
[11:17] <\sh> Riddell: did u say yesterday, everything what is not build-depending on kdebase can be compiled?
[11:20] <Riddell> \sh: actually first thing is to sort out amd64
[11:20] <Riddell> anyone got an amd64 going spare :)
[11:21] <\sh> Riddell: mithrandir has ravel ,-)
[11:21] <\sh> is amd buildd working again???
[11:22] <\sh> woot...it's alive
[11:22] <Riddell> it's alive and arts hasn't built :(
[11:23] <\sh> ay
[11:24] <\sh> libXrender.la
[11:24] <Riddell> which means qt probably needs stricter build-deps somewhere
[11:25] <\sh> lemme check
[11:28] <\sh> ok..tightend the build-deps for xrender and xcursor
[11:30] <\sh> but he pulls in Setting up libxrender-dev (0.9.0-1) ...
[11:30] <\sh> Setting up libxcursor-dev (1.1.4-0ubuntu3) ...
[11:30] <\sh> in the amd64 buildd...hmmm
[11:31] <\sh> and this is correct from the build-deps u gave for arts
[11:32] <Riddell> are those the latest versions of libxrender and libxcursor?
[11:32] <\sh> yes..but xorg is quite -36
[11:32] <\sh> s/quite/still/
[11:33] <Riddell> xcursor (1.1.4-0ubuntu4) * Make the xrender build-dep versioned, to rid us of libXrender.la.
[11:34] <\sh> hmm...so it wasn't in the archive 
[11:34] <\sh> so kicxcursor_1.1.4-0ubuntu4_20050719-0615-amd64-successful.gz
[11:34] <\sh> there it is
[11:35] <\sh> another kick should be ok...
[11:36] <\sh> and the time fits ,-) arts was ready before xcursor
[11:55] <pef> Riddell: needs to add libxfixes-dev to kdepim build-depends, no ?
[12:01] <Riddell> pef: looks like it, will do that too
[12:04] <pef> Riddell: should I fill a bug on malone ?
[12:06] <Riddell> pef: bugzilla I think if you want
[12:06] <pef> Riddell: when should I use malone or bugzilla ?
[12:06] <JRe> pef: good question :)
[12:07] <pef> JRe: ;)
[12:08] <Riddell> pef: malone for universe, bugzilla for main
[12:08] <Riddell> as far as I know anyway
[12:08] <pef> thanks :)
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[01:14] <\sh> Riddell: I think we kick back arts to the amd64 buildd
[01:14] <Mez> hmmles 
[01:15] <\sh> looks like it was compiled at the wrong time
[01:15] <Mez> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:15] <Mez>   xbase-clients: Depends: xdpyinfo but it is not installable
[01:15] <Mez> Package xdpyinfo is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:15] <Mez> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[01:15] <Mez> is only available from another source
[01:15] <Mez> E: Package xdpyinfo has no installation candidate
[01:16] <\sh> mez: at least u hit breezy xorg break
[01:16] <\sh> come in and sit down :)
[01:16] <Mez> ah
[01:16] <Mez> so when's the planned fix/
[01:16] <Riddell> \sh: yeah, I'm playing with some other qt patches but I'll upload it soon
[01:16] <Mez> cause I'm trying to fix kdepim
[01:17] <\sh> Riddell: lamont can kick them back...no upload needed
[01:17] <\sh> actually we need a complete rebuild of everything ,-)
[01:17] <\sh> to see what is breaking 
[01:17] <Riddell> I should add tighter dependencies on qt I think
[01:17] <\sh> .oO(after daniels is send back by god and give us a real Xorg to work with)
[01:18] <Mez> so... er...
[01:18] <Mez> why is xorg broken?
[01:19] <Riddell> Mez: daniels stopped xbase-clients from compiling temporarily
[01:19] <Riddell> so it's just an empty package
[01:19] <Mez> whyyyy .?
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[01:21] <Riddell> dunno, it's a temporary step until all the xbase-clients are split into their own packages
[01:21] <\sh> questions over questions...please switch on your irssi next week to see how Mez bashed his head ,-)
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[01:38] <\sh> mez: problem is really: we have to w8 for daniels...really..I can't type any umlauts, at signs, can't use my alt-gr and some other keys...
[01:39] <\sh> right now i'm feeling just like sitting in a timemachine back to 1994
[01:43] <pef> \sh: problem with dead keys ?
[01:50] <pef> \sh: same problem with french accents, please have a look at bugzilla #12799
[01:51] <JRe> \sh: lol
[01:57] <Mez> yeah - I just saw tha pef
[02:00] <\sh> pef: I'm w8ing :)
[02:03] <JRe> ^a
[02:04] <\sh> nodeadkeys? ,-)
[02:04] <\sh> but I'm talking about serious problems like alt-gr+q for an at sign
[02:04] <\sh> or ctrl+alt+f1 for switching to console
[02:14] <pef> \sh: xbk issue, no ?
[02:14] <\sh> pef: yes.
[02:14] <pef> \sh: have you xkb related errors in xorg.log ?
[02:15] <\sh> pef: back to plain xkb ... no german layout bla
[02:15] <\sh> anyways..I
[02:15] <\sh> 'm waiting for daniels fix...
[02:15] <pef> \sh: same problem, have you tried to install xkeyboard-config ?
[02:15] <pef> I _had_ the same problem :)
[02:16] <\sh> shermann@shermann-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get -s install xkeyboard-config
[02:17] <\sh> shermann@shermann-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get -s install xkeyboard-config
[02:17] <\sh> The following packages will be REMOVED: akregator amarok amarok-arts amarok-engines amarok-gstreamer amarok-xine ark artsbuilder dcoprss gdm gksu gnome-applets gnome-applets-data gnome-control-center gnome-netstatus-applet gnome-panel
[02:17] <\sh> and this is only one line of packages 
[02:18] <\sh> The following packages will be upgraded: xkeyboard-config
[02:18] <\sh> funny
[02:18] <pef> \sh: rdepends on this package returns me only 4 packages, strange...
[02:20] <\sh> for me as well
[02:20] <\sh> 3
[02:20] <\sh> Reverse Depends: edubuntu-desktop xserver-xorg-core ubuntu-desktop
[02:20] <\sh> anyways...lets try :)
[02:21] <\sh> I have some time *adventure
[02:21] <\sh> if I'm not responding anymore...then I have a problem :)
[02:22] <pef> \sh: don't forget your irssi copy :)
[02:22] <\sh> i think my memory will be removed as well
[02:23] <pef> it took me a moment with xlibs debs to get my x working again :/
[02:26] <pef> have to go out
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[02:31] <Riddell> community council in a bit, anything we need brought up?
[02:32] <\sh> grmp
[02:32] <\sh> when is CC?
[02:32] <Riddell> "fix X" doesn't count :)
[02:32] <Riddell> 1.5 hours
[02:32] <\sh> 14:UTC?
[02:32] <\sh> actually I broke my X again ,9
[02:33] <Riddell> 14:00 yes
[02:33] <\sh> does anybody has a xbase-clients -39?
[02:34] <\sh> aeh xlibs
[02:35] <Riddell> bottom of http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/tmp/
[02:36] <\sh> no..i need at least -39
[02:36] <Riddell> why?
[02:36] <\sh> everything else is not compatible with xkeyboard-config
[02:37] <Riddell> oh, dunno.  british keyboards still work
[02:37] <Riddell> well, until I want to write a pound sign
[02:37] <\sh> I can't write a at sign..and this is really important :)
[02:37] <Riddell> you could use british keyboard layout
[02:38] <\sh> right now I fcked everything
[02:38] <\sh> just close again to install hoary ,-)
[02:45] <Mez> Riddell: why is there an ubuntu gnome team, but not an ubuntu KDE team?
[02:48] <Riddell> Mez: because you havn't put your name on https://wiki.ubuntu.com//MOTUKDE ?
[02:49] <Mez> I'm not a MOTU
[02:49] <Mez> and I was on about like - core team
[02:50] <Mez> btu wait  you're the only full upload Kubuntu dev arent you?
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[02:50] <insanekane> hello all
[02:50] <insanekane> Riddell: any progress on using Qt-embedded in the installer ?
[02:51] <Riddell> insanekane: debian-installer is text only
[02:51] <insanekane> hmm ... amu said there was going to be some effort in the direction of a GUI installer 
[02:52] <\sh> ok...reinstall time *grmpf
[02:52] <Riddell> not sure the progress on that, ubuntu-express is in the archives
[02:53] <\sh> brb
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[02:57] <insanekane> hmm its quite funny ... ubuntu-express
[02:57] <insanekane> anyway
[02:58] <insanekane> Riddell: im making some wizards to go with the media:/ renaming script ... hope to submit it soon
[02:58] <insanekane> until then ... ciao
[02:58] <Riddell> insanekane: media renaming script?
[02:59] <insanekane> yeah ..
[02:59] <Riddell> insanekane: what does that do?
[02:59] <insanekane> dunno if you have followed the discussion on the devel mailing list
[02:59] <Riddell> which devel mailing list?
[02:59] <insanekane> gives sane names to the devices in media:/ ioslave
[02:59] <insanekane> kubuntu-devel
[02:59] <insanekane> sane names = Windows A1, Linux B2 etc
[03:00] <JRe> insanekane: it would be nice to contact kevin ottens for that!
[03:00] <JRe> insanekane: it's him who has developped the media kioslave
[03:00] <insanekane> JRe: for what ? Qt-embedded in the installer ?
[03:00] <JRe> insanekane: for media names
[03:00] <insanekane> JRe: well, i have talked to the person who developed it (didn't know his name) on #kde-devel ... but he is not interested in such things i believe ... atleast not now
[03:01] <JRe> insanekane: ervin ?
[03:01] <insanekane> yeahthats him
[03:01] <insanekane> erwin i think
[03:01] <JRe> ok
[03:03] <JRe> insanekane: if ervin told you that he would make something don't worry! but to be sure of the state of his work, you should post a bug report on http://nugs.kde.org
[03:03] <JRe> s/nugs/bugs/
[03:04] <JRe> insanekane: i know that ATM is heavily working on system:/
[03:10] <insanekane> hmm ..
[03:10] <insanekane> so am i
[03:11] <insanekane> JRe: he didnt say he would make something ... but he said it was out of the scope of media:/
[03:12] <JRe> insanekane: ok! so it's because of HAL ?
[03:12] <insanekane> JRe: anyway, i am making only some simple pyqt wizards for new internet connection, media:/ renaming, K-Menu complexizer, etc
[03:12] <insanekane> JRe: no, i solved the problem using HAL
[03:13] <insanekane> so, my wizards are for silly things like that ... i will contribute it, but i doubt it will reach the quality expected
[03:13] <insanekane> anyway, i have to go, ciao
[03:13] <JRe>  insanekane: a piu tardi ;)
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[03:39] <\sh> back
[03:40] <insanekane> \sh: hello :)
[03:40] <insanekane> \sh: how are you ?
[03:40] <\sh> just reinstalled hoary after destroying breezies X completly
[03:41] <insanekane> hrmm
[03:41] <\sh> doesn't matter
[03:42] <pef> \sh: sh 0 - xorg 1 ;)
[03:42] <\sh> hehe
[03:42] <\sh> no
[03:43] <\sh> \sh 0 - xorg 5 
[03:43] <pef> :/
[03:44] <insanekane> Riddell: still no reply from Martin Pitt on the pmount question ... wonder is he is too busy/unavailable for general queries
[03:44] <\sh> no I'm staying with hoary until I see an announcement of daniels *grmpf*
[03:46] <Mez> insanekane, he's just emkailed the dev list about dropping mozilla to universe
[03:46] <insanekane> oho
[03:46] <insanekane> Mez: is that kubuntu-dev ? or ubuntu-dev ?
[03:47] <Mez> ubuntu-devel
[03:47] <insanekane> hmm ... am not subscribed to that ..
[03:47] <Mez> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-July/009107.html
[03:50] <insanekane> Mez: maybe my question was stupid
[03:54] <insanekane> Mez: do you know where hal gets the hard disk information from ?
[03:56] <Mez> no idea
[03:59] <sebas> insanekane: Probably somewhere in /proc/, /proc/scsi/scsi and /proc/ide/hda/model for example.
[04:02] <seth_k> CC meeting starting now
[04:04] <Riddell> insanekane: he does say he's busy, what's the question
[04:04] <Riddell> insanekane: /sys I'd imagine
[04:12] <insanekane> Riddell: the question is ... why the extra security for mounting harddisks ?
[04:13] <insanekane> Riddell: the same security should be applicable to USB pen drives also right ?
[04:17] <insanekane> Riddell: because of this pmount problem, the media:/ ioslave is unable to mount harddisks
[04:22] <insanekane> sebas, Riddell : the properly i am interested in is "volume.partition.msdos_part_table_type" ?
[04:23] <insanekane> Riddell: but it is available only if HAL doesn't drop priveleges ... i wonder why it is a privileged information (and how to change it not to be so)
[04:26] <sebas> insanekane: What's in there? 
[04:26] <sebas> We're reading that sort of information directly from /proc in guidance
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[04:39] <insanekane> sebas: it returns stuff like 0x83 (== ext3), 0x82 (== swap) for each partition ..
[04:39] <insanekane> bbl
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[05:52] <fromoze> Hi, I'd like to make a question I've see many times on #kubuntu-es: Why there's not i18n package for amarok? 
[05:54] <Riddell> fromoze: because langpacks and KDE are a bit broken in hoary
[05:54] <fromoze> it'll be on breezy?
[05:55] <Riddell> fromoze: when main packages are uploaded any language files generated get sucked out and into rosetta
[05:55] <Riddell> fromoze: then another script takes the lanuguage packs for ubuntu and puts them in the ubuntu language packages
[05:55] <Riddell> which means KDE ones get a bit lost
[05:55] <fromoze> I see... 
[05:55] <Riddell> fromoze: jolly well better be sorted out for breezy
[05:56] <fromoze> Well, thanks, now I can defend the miss package ;)
[05:57] <fromoze> And I'll say people to help in Rosetta... 
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[06:50] <allee> Riddell: bit OT: your kolab blog confuses me: '..not providing RPMs as their Debian packages could have..'.  Sounds like debs are available but I could not find them :(
[06:51] <Riddell> allee: they provide RPM packages for debian
[06:52] <allee> Riddell: 'k those I used ;)   but it's a mess (almost 1 GB of additional software :(  )
[06:52] <Riddell> yep
[06:52] <allee> but 'everyone' seems to be afraid to debianize them ;)
[06:52] <Riddell> yep
[06:53] <Riddell> because they use their own little file heirarchy
[06:53] <Riddell> and don't use the existing apache or imap server 
[06:54] <allee> I hope to find the time to check their install script to get rigt at least of 'standard' pkgs that are not don't need customized config files
[06:54] <allee> s/rigt/rid/
[06:55] <allee> apache and imap are especially problematic.  They need special conf setup to play wel together.  I don't see an
[06:55] <allee> easy way to get this properly into debian pkgs system.
[06:57] <Riddell> just have a Include kolab.conf in httpd.conf ?
[06:59] <allee> I've not look into the config changes yet. After bootstrapping kolab2, find /kolabl -mtime -1 listed more than a dozend of modified config files.
[07:09] <Riddell> well they used the autopkg stuff to avoid caring about anyone's packaging system
[07:09] <Riddell> so it's presumably not designed for it :(
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[07:13] <allee> yep.  But no word prominently placed word about security (updates).  That scares me.
[07:13] <Riddell> hmm, yes
[07:14] <allee> Better a bit harder install and instead easy (security) updates ;)
[07:15] <Riddell> well I don't think their installation is any easier than having an apt archive, it's just easier from their view as programmers and packagers
[07:15] <Riddell> commercial software that's the problem, it's designed for their customers not for random debian users
[07:18] <allee> not the software is commercial but the support.  Having huge ammount of software help to sell support ;)
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[09:25] <fromoze> Hi, may be I must do it may it's done. Are there any web where're linked kubuntu apps on rosetta? 
[09:29] <fromoze> I'll like to help a little more on translations; but I'm going to disappear for some weeks (finally the hollydays are coming). Is Rosetta a good way to do it?
[09:30] <sebas> fromoze: You could better ask the local KDE teams for that, only they if Rosetta is a good point to start *in your language*.
[09:30] <fromoze> Because new people on #kubuntu-es wants to help and I'm thinking to push them to help in translations, but I'd like to know if the rosettas is a good option.
[09:30] <sebas> What's your mother tongue?
[09:30] <fromoze> gallician ;)
[09:31] <fromoze> my second is better: spanish 
[09:32] <sebas> Ah, are you already involved with kdehispano.org ?
[09:32] <fromoze> no
[09:33] <sebas> Well, that's a good place to start. The locatlization / translation stuff is done per language.
[09:34] <sebas> On that webpage you can find the people / lists to contact, just say that you'd like to help translating and someone will probably pick you up.
[09:39] <allee> fromoze: a general link for everyone interested in KDE translations: http://i18n.kde.org/teams
[10:03] <fromoze> Excuses, allee and sebas, I'd a phone call. I'll try to get into a localteam, but bettet after hollydays. I was interested on rosetta to push newbies in, but I understand isn't a really good way to help to kubuntu.
[10:05] <sebas> fromoze: Ok, welcome (in advance) to KDE :)
[10:06] <fromoze> sebas: I won't go so far sebas, welcome me better when I show you some translations done ;)
[10:06] <sebas> Ok :)
[10:06] <sebas> You're not visiting aKademy?
[10:07] <fromoze> don't remember me that... I can't :(
[10:08] <sebas> Ah, bummer.
[10:08] <fromoze> I've exams in september, 1,3 and 5
[10:09] <fromoze> Is a really bad luck strike; normally I've exams later. If they started 5 I'll try to be on Malaga for the first days.
[10:10] <fromoze> Is known where is the 2006 akademy? or is biannual?
[10:11] <fromoze> May be is better to try to go to an akademy in a foreinger country and travel a little ;)
[10:16] <fromoze> Pleased to met you, see you later; dinner time :)
[10:16] <sebas> It's annual, bon appetit!
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