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Riggzy_LinuxWhere does linux-source get installed?12:04
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_frankRiggzy_Linux: look in /usr/src/12:05
_frankshould be there somewhere12:05
Riggzy_Linuxah its bzipped12:05
Riggzy_Linuxthtas why i didnt see it12:05
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DhraakellianI came downstairs, turned the monitor on, and looked at my system tray to see if anyone had set off my highlights12:24
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StRhow can I compilemy own kernel and make it an ubuntu package?12:28
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ubuntuI need a bit of help. I'm running Kubuntu live right now, and I want to get rid of my linux partition and expand my linux. I was told to run the live cd, and get gparted to do that. But gparted doesn't run on kde.12:35
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StRubuntu: again? you have an ext3 partition, but it is too small? and you want to delete it to create a bigger one, right?12:36
ubuntuno, I have a 3meg swap12:37
ubuntuI want to get rid of windows12:38
_frankubuntu do you have qtparted?12:41
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MinuoIs there a good way to make sure my USB HD is always the same device node (and thus the same mount point in /media/) without going in and hacking udev?  It doesn't look like a normal UDEV setup.  I ask because Amarok won't read right off the kioslaves device and I want to keep my music collection on a USB HD12:59
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testmadwow..thats alot of linux games01:02
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_marlonhi 01:12
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nmorseHmm, you know, GNUStep has some real potential01:24
nmorseToo bad it's ugly as sin01:24
nmorseHeh, I just learned something01:30
nmorseIf you try to remove base, it makes you type "Yes, do as I say!" or it aborts it01:30
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stefhey nmorse , are we alone here?01:34
testmadcan you play COD natively01:34
nmorseto stef that is01:35
nmorseI have no idea what COD is01:35
stefokay i see it I was to fast, sorry01:35
nmorsetestmad: xine might01:36
nmorseIf you have the w32codecs package installed01:36
testmadCall Of Duty - game01:36
nmorseHmm, natively, can't say I've ever heard it had a native linux client01:37
nmorseIn dx9wine, maybe01:37
testmadwell..i prefer not to use wine01:37
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nmorseThe only games I use with native linux clients are Doom 3, UT2004, and Neverwinter Nights01:38
nmorseOh, and Quake 301:38
stefcan I play this games with ubuntu?01:38
nmorseThe ones I just listed? Yeah they play fine.01:39
nmorseBoth of my computers run Kubuntu and my desktop plays those games just fine01:39
stefcoll, are there deb -files for that?01:39
nmorseMy laptop's video sucks though01:39
nmorseNo deb files for those no01:39
nmorseThe only distro I've ever seen even provide an installer for 3rd party games is Gentoo, and you still essentially do the install yourself01:40
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nmorseNeverwinter Nights and Unreal Tournament aren't really hard to install01:41
nmorseQuake 3's easy enough too01:41
nmorseI don't really remember the Doom 3 install though01:41
testmaddid it last nite01:42
testmadbbl..time to cook01:42
stefIs there anywhere a free version of tht games- I assume not, or?01:42
nmorseThere's a demo for UT200401:42
stefhmm where can I get it?01:43
nmorseQuake 3's about $10 at Wal-Mart, NWN Platinum (includes both expansions) is between $30 and $4001:43
nmorseThe demo should be available on unrealtournament.com01:43
nmorseOoh, camaelon could fix all my problems with GNUStep's ugliness01:44
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stefyes there is a demo01:45
nmorseI don't think there's a Neverwinter Nights demo though01:49
nmorseThe Mac Tech Demo is the only one I think01:49
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stefMaybe someone can help me?! Ijust try to edit the network configuration file but have not the rights . How can can I administer such files with a normal user account?02:02
seth_kyou preface the command with "sudo"02:02
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seth_kwhich will ask you for your password02:02
stefkate goes on02:02
seth_koh, kate02:02
seth_kthen use kdesu02:02
seth_klike "kdesu kate /path/to/the.file02:02
stefokay, Im on konsole root then I do kdesu /etc/network/interfaces and get the message >no rights02:04
stefwhen I doIt so: 02:07
stefroot@ubuntu:~# kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces02:07
stefError: "/var/tmp/kdecache-stef" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.02:07
stefLink points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"02:07
stefkate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.02:07
|rockinnerd|stef: sudo su -02:07
seth_kuse kwrite02:07
|rockinnerd|then kate02:07
seth_koh right, |rockinnerd|. Didn't notice he was logged in as root02:08
seth_kgood catch02:08
stefokay, thanx . I have to do with the user account and it works02:10
stefbut why I can't do it as root?02:10
|rockinnerd|stef, you cant act as root if you're already root02:12
|rockinnerd|sudo makes it seem as you're running it as root02:12
stefyes, but when I'm root I get the above error message and the application dont start. Sorry , I want to understand that 02:14
|rockinnerd|dont sudo kate02:14
|rockinnerd|just kate02:15
|rockinnerd|and su - not su02:15
|rockinnerd|if u change to root02:16
|rockinnerd|the '-' signifies to start a new login shell02:16
stefahhh , I see- ohh Its late here ;-)02:16
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stef<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">02:22
stef<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">02:22
stef<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />02:22
stef<meta name="Generator" content="Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor" />02:22
|rockinnerd|Stef ???02:22
stefauto eth002:22
stefiface eth0 inet static02:22
stef address
stef netmask
stef gateway</pre></body>02:22
stefis something wrong with that ?02:22
|rockinnerd|uh.... why the html? you cant markup irc chats02:23
|rockinnerd|thts ok btw02:23
|rockinnerd|just dont copy and paste so much02:23
stefits my first time in irc, please sorry for any mistakes02:24
|rockinnerd|that's ok :-) 02:24
|rockinnerd|dont do that in other channels though02:24
|rockinnerd|if they have bots, you get kicked.02:25
|rockinnerd|kicked = signed off, but u can sign back on02:25
stefokay, It seems it is not a good idea to discuss configuration files?! ;-) 02:26
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seth_kstef: we have http://kubuntu.pastebin.com for you to paste large amounts of text into :)02:28
seth_kstef: you can then paste a link to your pastebin file02:28
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stefuhh, thats new to me ->cool02:29
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ralph1Hi all I am about to install kubuntu but Multimedia is important to me. Can someone point me to the doc's to get k3b fully functional, and the doc's needed to get sound and video fully functional. Thanks a million.02:32
steftest: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/31592402:33
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seth_kralph1: for full k3b functionality, just "sudo aptitude install cdrdao" (in a terminal) after you have added the universe repositories.02:34
seth_kralph1: sound should be functional out of the box in most cases. The wiki (http://wiki.ubuntu.com) can help you if it is not, and we can too!02:34
testmadam i right in understanding that samba and samba-common are not the same things02:36
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ralph1seth_k: Thanks for your answer, but what I am looking for is the doc's needed to get k3b to create mp3 cd's, and getting the win 32 codec's install so that multimedia works.02:38
nmorsew32codecs requires the marillat repo02:39
nmorseAnd that's the package name: w32codecs02:39
stefare this codecs for free?02:39
seth_knmorse: backports repo, preferably. Marillat is scary02:39
seth_kstef: yes, you can download them for free02:39
seth_kubotu tell ralph1 about w32codecs02:40
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stefI thought this dont goes watching films with win codecs . I thought you have to pay for that02:41
_michaelok, so how do i view my system spec in linux?02:41
testmadumm problem02:43
testmadim trying to mount my windows drive..02:43
testmadbut when i try to do it..it says mount: special device hda1 does not exist02:43
_michaelare you sure it's mounted on hda1?02:43
testmadfergot /dev/02:44
_michaellolya, it happens02:44
_michaeldo u know how to get system specs?02:44
ralph1seth_k: and all thanks for your answers I off now to install kubuntu hoary. See you all with my questions after the install.02:45
seth_kralph1: I look forward to it, see you then!02:46
seth_k_michael: what kind of specs?02:46
_michaellike my ram02:46
_michaeli have a stick of ram and i don't know how much it is, i want to toss it in and see how much it increases02:46
seth_kthat's in /proc/meminfo02:47
seth_keverything hides in /proc/ in different places02:47
seth_kso cat /proc/meminfo will tell you stuff about your memory02:47
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_michaelok, what do I do in the konsole to open it?02:49
_michaeli tried just typing in /proc/meminfo02:49
stefhmm, there is an "Dirty" entry there. What does it mean?02:50
stefor is there a discription what is telling this cat info?02:50
nmorseanyone know of a camaelon package for Ubuntu?02:50
seth_k_michael: cat /proc/meminfo02:51
seth_k_michael: you need the command "cat"02:51
_michaelok, ty02:51
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_michaelso, which one is ram02:51
seth_kMemTotal, the first entry...02:52
seth_kstef: Dirty memory is waiting to get written to disk or swap02:52
_michaelDirty: 4kb02:53
_michaeli know i have 512mb in right now02:53
_michaelwell, screw that, learned sumthig at least - my other question is how to use wine, none of the things I read really help me02:55
_michaelI can open simple things like notepad02:56
_michaelbut i don't know how to install and run sumthing like roller coaster tycoon02:56
seth_kthe short answer is, you probably can't02:57
seth_kstuff like that uses crazy DirectX calls that wine just can't handle yet. But I'll bet cedega can do it (http://transgaming.net)02:57
_michaelcan i wget it?02:58
testmadis there a way to always have a cdrom icon on the desk?02:59
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seth_k_michael: you must pay for cedega03:00
testmadnot if its from cvs03:00
_michaelfuc - ne thing that works as good that is free?03:01
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sproingiecedega cvs is free.  better hope your time is too03:01
sproingiei'm told it ain't easy to set up03:02
testmadseth_k:  is   there a way to have a cdrom icon on my desk..at all times no matter if its mounted or not?03:02
testmadbesides..cedega works..on alot of games..but if you dont pat for it..it can really suck trying to install games from more than one disk03:03
nmorsetestmad: Just click "Add new Device" on the menu when you right-click on your desktop03:03
nmorseCreate New Link to Device actually03:03
testmadok..i got it03:04
testmadnow is it possible to create links to folders on ntfs drives on the desk too??03:04
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testmadgot it..just link to url03:07
nmorsehello poutine03:09
nmorseYou are so tasty03:09
nmorseFond memories of Chez Ashton when I visited Quebec03:09
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nmorseThat's nasty03:09
nmorsePoutine is the greatest French Fry dish ever03:09
poutineof course03:10
nmorseA Quebecois, I take it?03:10
poutinein mtl03:10
testmadanyone got one icon that fits into KDE style for like a video folder?03:11
nmorseThere's one in there03:11
nmorseLook under Filesystem03:11
nmorseMontreal, where the only English speaking people in Quebec province live?03:12
poutinenah, sherbrooke and a lot of the townships are largely engliu03:13
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poutinethe only place in quebec where it's illegal everywhere to take a right on red though03:13
nmorseDoes the Montreal McDonald's (the two-story one) still server poutine too?03:14
poutineof course, but it's an abomination of le poutine03:14
nmorseYeah, that it si03:14
nmorseI liked the poutine in those little greasy cafes all over03:15
nmorseAnd in Chez Ashton03:15
nmorseCanada has the best fast food03:15
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testmadthis is sweet03:15
poutinethere's this place in hmm... it's right by the ice skating rink that has great poutines03:15
poutineI think it's a Frank's03:15
testmadim finally getting everything easy to get to03:15
poutinetestmad: yeah well wait until the crash03:15
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testmadno crash03:15
aseigoabout the only thing we lack is a rich and extensive history in our cities03:16
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testmaddont say crash03:16
poutinetestmad: I'm just saying, it's probably a good idea to backup after you've done all this work03:16
aseigoheh. backups. pft. ;()03:16
poutinecoming from a person who's lost over a years worth of coding work due to a hd crash03:16
poutine(I had backups, but I deleted them because I was paranoid)03:17
testmaddont start about BU's either..cus i lost 20gb of data last nite cus of XP03:17
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_michaelim installing cedega cvs right now - does it run things other than games?03:17
_michaellike installs?03:18
_michaelsuch as MS Word?03:18
poutineI'm a troll03:18
poutineIs that not allowed here?03:18
testmadbut like i said..2disc games cant isntall..03:18
_michaelok, kule03:18
testmadand dunno bout msword03:18
nmorseTo an extent, poutine03:18
nmorseDon't take it too far03:18
_michaelI never get games that big ne ways03:18
poutineI see03:19
poutineWell I'm very subtle03:19
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_michaelso, i download the cedega cvs script, and followed the cedega cvs instructions... but it says it's installing winecvs03:23
poutineyeah, cedega is modified wine03:24
_michaelhow long should the Make section of the install take03:24
poutine4 days, 16 hours, 12 minutes, 32 seconds03:25
_michaelo, well if that's all03:25
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_michaeli thought it would take about 4 days and 2.2 seconds longer than that03:26
poutinenope, I could probably even give nanosecond detail03:26
MinuoOk,  this is really starting to annoy me - where can I find the setting to change the KDE starup style?  By default it looks like Windows XP03:29
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testmadwheres a really awesome screen saver for kubuntu?03:31
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MinuoNevermind, got it03:33
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_michaelalright, what is the utility for torrents that comes w/ kubuntu - if ne1 nos?03:36
poutine_Does anyone know how to fix when it detects your CPU at the lowest possible speed?03:37
seth_k!info qtorrent03:37
ubotuqtorrent: (BitTorrent client for QT 3.x), section universe/net, is optional. Version: (hoary), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 664 kB03:37
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poutine_I read in a forum about passing timer_clock something as a bootparam, but I don't know what to do03:37
seth_k_michael: if you didn't notice, ubotu told you where to find it03:38
_michaelyea, i think i got it03:38
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_michaelwow, i love this wget/apt-get thing - he** of a lot better than windows03:41
sproingiewget's easy enough to get for windows03:41
sproingiewould be nice if i could get windows software with apt tho03:42
_michaelreally, never used it03:42
sproingieDebian GNU/Windows03:42
sproingieapt has already shown it can handle multiple backends03:43
sproingiemaybe a version of apt that manages MSI packages03:43
TestMADi wish r/w for ntfs was perfect03:43
sproingiei wish a lot of things were perfect :)03:44
_michaeli like how linux tends to lay all the crap out for you - as long as you know what you'r looking at/for03:44
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sproingietechnically so does windows.  you just need a thousand different little tools instead of the filesystem03:45
konkiwhich OS is better kubuntu or ubuntu? i know one is KDE and the other is GNOME.. any comments??03:46
_michaeli like kde03:46
sproingietake a guess which we'll say03:46
_michaelbut i'm a previous windows user03:46
sproingiethen again i'm in both channels03:46
sproingiei prefer kde by a pretty big margin03:46
_michaeli started using gnome - but i couldn't figure ne thing out03:46
sproingiethat's because it's intuitive :^)03:47
_michaelbig word - the fuck does it mean03:47
sproingieonce you see how enlightened their superior UI design wisdom is ...03:47
sproingieeh, i'm just making fun of gnome, in-joke03:47
_michaeli do like gnome in a business setting - kde just looks/feels better03:48
konki_michael, so you mean kde is easier or kubuntu is more user friendly than ubuntu?? right??03:48
sproingiei upload pictures from my camera to folders to email all the time03:48
sproingiekde has thumbnails in its file browser03:48
sproingiegnome has jack03:48
_michaeluse friendly - i think03:48
sproingiechoice is obvious for me03:48
_michaeli got used to it in a heart beat, and i still have a hard time w/ our schools gnome setup03:49
TestMADand just admit it..KDE is pretty03:49
_michaeldamn straight, especially the hot chick on my desktop03:50
epilocits beautiful03:50
TestMADoooo...hook it up03:50
TestMADsudo apt-get install pron03:50
fromozeI think that ubuntu now is more user-friendly than kde because of the network config and sinaptycs.03:50
konkisproingie, a file browser much like the windows explorer... you can view folder on the left hand corner... 03:50
sproingiei find synaptic to be pretty awful03:51
fromozebut KDE... well... KDE rocks xD03:51
sproingiei use aptitude03:51
sproingieit's just curses-based, but it's way more powerful03:51
_michaeli couldn't set up wireless in gnome - i only had a little trouble in kde03:51
sproingieand you can play minesweeper in it03:51
fromozesproingie: me too, we're talking about newbies :P03:51
TestMADwhen ever i put a cd in my cdrom..i get the cd icon on my desk..how can i make it not do thata?03:51
_michaelim a fuckin noob03:51
seth_k_michael, watch your language please03:51
seth_kno worries03:51
TestMADi was bout to say that03:52
poutine_KDE uses a WM/DE independant library for all its apps03:52
poutine_all you need is Qt to run those apps03:52
sproingieheh, i reside between cultures ... fairly clean language in #k?ubuntu, and we swear like sailors on #forth03:52
fromozeseth_k: ++03:53
poutine_GNOME has its own modified library (basically a ripped gtk), which if code is not properly made, could cause apps to be gnome only03:53
TestMADanyoneknow how?03:53
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seth_kwell, Ubuntu channels all adhere to the Ubuntu Code of Conduct.03:53
ubotuI heard coc is the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/03:53
fromozexD oh my god xD03:53
TestMADthats borderline there seth_k03:53
_michaelguessing that's directed toward me a little03:54
fromozewho has choice the command coc?? xD03:54
TestMADjust missing one letter ..03:54
sproingieeveryone must see the ubuntu coc03:54
sproingiewe all hold the ubuntu coc03:54
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fromozeI can't stop laughting xD03:55
sproingie!conduct might be a better term03:55
ubotuWish i knew, sproingie03:55
TestMADseriously.how can i make the cdrom stop popping up on the desk when i put a cd in it?03:55
konkiTestMAD, convert to ubuntu... i think it will solve the problem... am using it and no problems at all03:56
sproingieright-click desktop -> configure desktop -> behavior -> device icons, unclick the cdrom icon03:56
sproingieor if you want 'em all to go away, uncheck "show device icons"03:56
TestMADi got some on the desk..03:58
TestMADand went thru some trouble to get them03:58
fromozekonki: fot me gnome look really cool, but once I need to start to do something interesting I need to swicth to kde :)03:58
TestMADso they stay03:58
epilocwhat is the command to remove a module from the kernel?03:58
epilocmodprobe -r?03:58
TestMADhow safe is write in ntfs right now?03:59
sproingiemodprobe -r is the modern way to do it03:59
poutine_sometimes I like to pick at the scabs that have grown around my genetalia, I chew on them after I peel them off to reveal yellow pus, and then I wipe up the pus with my finger, swirl it around in my ear, and I can suck on my finger for hours03:59
sproingiei'm an old fart03:59
sproingieTestMAD: not03:59
sproingieTestMAD: it's safe if you just change the content of an existing file03:59
sproingieit won't create, delete, rename, or resize any files tho03:59
TestMADso i cant move files04:00
sproingiewhich makes it pretty useless for write access unless you're writing to a loopback file or something04:00
sproingiepossible that you *can*, whether it's actually safe or not is the question04:00
konkii think i'll install kubuntu on my desktop... currently having ubuntu on this laptop, but the desktop has windows xp... thinking about converting it to kubuntu... test both of em out see whats obselete kde or gnome...04:00
TestMADgnome is ugly04:01
sproingiegnome is like quake 1.  an in-depth study in the color brown.04:01
konkianyone know where i can order the kubuntu live cd... ubuntu gives away live cds for free... 04:01
poutine_lol ubuntu's cds are crap04:01
konkicurrently in the site kubuntu but only downloadable versions04:02
poutine_9/10 were duds04:02
TestMADanyone know where  i can find some screensavers?04:02
sproingiekde comes with buttloads of 'em04:02
fromozekonki: there's not free ship kubuntu cd's04:02
konkiTestMAD, http://images.google.com/images?q=screensaver&num=100&hl=en&hs=cO1&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&sa=N&tab=wi04:02
TestMADyea..but none are very...umm....cool04:03
fromozeTestMAD: Just take an video an use it :)04:03
TestMADhehe..pron ss04:03
sproingiemy screensaver is "blank screen"04:04
fromozeTestMAD: I won't do that04:04
sproingienot much of a screensaver otherwise04:04
konkiTestMAD, i have alot of preinstalled screensaver on my ubuntu desktop.. over a thousand... and there pretty cool04:04
fromozemine is clock xD04:04
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TestMADok..i got like 1504:04
fromozeTestMAD: you can apt-get plus04:04
sproingiethe gl screensavers are fun.  'course they'll heat your vid card up nice and toasty too04:04
fromozeflying toaster is a really cool one xD04:05
konkifromoze, dang! its cuz my PC's CD-R is broken.. probably gotta go to the library and burn it from there... how long is the estimated DL time for kubuntu??04:05
sproingiekonki: it's a cd image.  depends on your speed04:05
fromozeI dunno ..04:05
poutine_How can I get linux to recognize my proper CPU clock?04:05
sproingietook me 10 minutes, but i have some rather fast net04:05
poutine_It thinks this is a 995 mhz machine04:05
poutine_which is the lowest possible clock speed on here04:05
poutine_this is a 2ghz one04:05
fromoze xscreensaver-nognome, xscreensaver-gl <-- try these packages TestMAD 04:06
konkisproingie, the public libraries are pretty fast i have DSL, its fast but i think the library is like T1 or T3... cuz its faster than DSL or CABLE [the library]  that is04:06
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sproingiet1 is just 1.5 megabit04:07
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konkii just wanna ask the speed cuz the library only gives u 2hr max privilages for using the comp...04:07
fromozeJUST 1.5 megabit? 04:07
TestMADill finish04:08
sproingiethe public library has cd burners?04:08
sproingiedamn ... must be nice for the folks warezing04:08
fromozesproingie: did you ever meet a modem ? xD04:08
sproingiefromoze: i was on dialup for a long damn time04:08
sproingiei am revelling in my high speed now, thankie04:08
konkisproingie, yes... pretty fast burners 52x cdrw04:08
sproingiekonki: damn, get all your warez and porn from the library04:08
fromozekonki: where're you from?04:09
sproingiei imagine they block p2p traffic tho04:09
fromozekonki: I was looking a town like your to move xD04:09
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konkifromoze, portland oregon...04:09
epilocwhat is a stable instant message proggie for kubuntu?04:09
epiloci dont like anything that begins with a G04:10
sproingieepiloc: kopete's all right04:10
epilocand kopete is falling apart04:10
fromozeHow many White Castles?04:10
epilockopete keeps crashing04:10
epiloci dont know why04:10
sproingielot of kde stuff crashes for me unfortunately04:10
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epilocother than that, it looks nice :)04:10
konkialot of hot spots here in portland... usa... next best city to for high speed connection.. [wifi] ... on top is seattle04:10
sproingiethey need a serious stability audit04:10
epiloci just updated to kde 3.4.1 too :(04:10
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sproingiei live in san francisco04:11
sproingiei probably don't have to pay for internet if i don't want to04:11
fromozesproingie: kde it's pretty stable for my... amd64... 04:11
sproingiejust aim a pringles can just about anywhere04:11
_michaelalright - i have cedega installed04:11
konkii have DSL on my apartment but my friend had a laptop with wireless connection... over 4 connections here in my apt.04:12
sproingiercn's pretty good tho.  and it's money i don't have to pay comcast04:12
_michaelI try to do $cvscedega04:12
_michaelwine: chdir to /home/michael/.cvscedega/wineserver-kubuntu : No such file or directory04:12
stefI just want to install a scanner. I saw it under the live cd that Ican edit the scanner in the KDE control panel but now I can't find it04:12
_michaelcan I just make it and not do nething w/ it?04:12
fromozeI just buy a wrt54gs... we got wirless at home now xD04:13
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stefI installed xsane, kooka ,libscan1 but nothing to configure anywhere. Can someone help?04:13
sproingieeven tho my router is also a wireless AP04:13
_michaelwell I made it and get his error04:14
_michaelwine: '/home/michael/.cvscedega/wineserver-kubuntu' must not be accessible by other users04:14
sproingieso chmod 600 it04:14
supernixwho is aikurn ?04:14
sproingieor 700 even04:14
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sproingiesince YOU probably want to access it04:14
konkithe city of portland is trying to connect the whole city, for free... we have free connections on the airport too...04:14
sproingiei'm a bit ambivalent about municipal wifi04:15
fromozekonki: free? ... ooouch04:15
sproingieain't nothing free04:15
konkifor free, cuz we want business people to come thru our airport when traveling04:16
sproingiewill they not do so otherwise?  anyway, airports are one thing, city is something else04:16
konkimaybe by 2-3 years from now the whole city will be connected...04:16
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fromozeIn Spain we need to pay just to be asymetrics xD 4MB/150Kb xD04:17
sproingiethat ain't bad04:17
_michaelk, so how do i fix my issue, ne1?04:17
illogic-alis there a kubuntu x86_64 DVD ?04:17
supernixI tried Kubuntu on my fiancees PC with a flat panel display and it would not do but 680 x 460 I was so sad04:18
sproingie_michael: use chmod 700.   but you installed cedega cvs, you're on your own, really04:18
sproingie_michael: there's a reason people pay for it04:18
supernixKnoppix was able to recognize it for 800 X 60004:18
fromozesproingie: But the price isn't so fun, 50 :/  04:18
fromozeillogic-al: yes, there's one04:18
illogic-althat's weird, i don't see what i just said on here04:19
fromozeillogic-al: I don't remember the URL, but there's one with all the main packages04:19
_michaelhow do I put that command in?04:19
illogic-aloh. there it is. i'm going blind :-)04:19
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illogic-alfromoze: thanks i'll look for it.04:19
epilocim trying to uninstall ndiswrapper, but keep getting an error04:20
_michaeli know $chmod 700 is wrong04:20
epilocanyone want to see?04:20
fromozeillogic-al, gg: dvdimage kubuntu x86_64 can do it xD04:20
illogic-alwhat's the package manager? still synaptic?04:21
fromozeillogic-al: are you usin kde now?04:21
fromozepush alt+f204:21
konkifromoze, http://www.wififreespot.com/airport.html check out these airports with free connections....04:22
fromozeand write this: gg: dvdimage kubuntu x86_64 can do it xD04:22
fromozeand write this: gg: dvdimage kubuntu x86_64 + enter04:22
illogic-althat wont work04:22
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illogic-al"gg dvdimage kubuntu x86_64" will though :-)04:22
fromozegg: 04:23
konkifromoze, these is my city with all the hotspots connections... high speed internet... http://local.google.com/local?sc=1&hl=en&q=wifi&near=portland+oregon&btnG=Google+Search&rl=104:23
illogic-almeh. only shows some suse thing04:24
fromozeSpain Madrid International - Iberia Airlines area - Madrid <-- I know that, just for bussiness class travelers xD04:24
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illogic-algg dvd image ubuntu x86_64 did it04:24
fromozeillogic-al: gg: opens konqueror loking on goggle04:25
fromozefor me gg doens't works :/04:25
illogic-alno it doesn't, i changed the delimiter to a space :-)04:25
fromozewell, I'm going to sleep 5 dirty hours, good night boys!04:26
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supernixWell another Kubuntu milestone for me04:44
supernixI was able to download my cams pics and upload them to my web server04:44
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_michaelok, my mids a little more clear now04:47
_michaelwhat was the name of the winecvs thi?ng04:47
TestMADthis sux..klibido wont compile04:48
TestMADany other good newsgroup programs out there?04:49
seth_kfor KDE, knews and knode are both in the Ubuntu repositories04:49
seth_k!info knews04:49
ubotuknews: (Graphical threaded news reader), section universe/news, is optional. Version: 1.0b.1-18 (hoary), Packaged size: 236 kB, Installed size: 592 kB04:50
seth_k!info knode04:50
ubotuknode: (KDE news reader), section net, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu10 (hoary), Packaged size: 1169 kB, Installed size: 2900 kB04:50
seth_kknode is officially supported, since it's in main. So you may get the best results with it.04:50
nmorsethere's an infobot in here?04:50
TestMADdo they support <ahem>nzb<aheh>04:51
supernixseth_k: are you the one that told me there was a backport on the forums for krename ?04:51
seth_ksupernix, indeed I did.04:51
seth_khere's a direct link for you supernix: http://sethkinast.com/ubuntu/hoary/backports/krename_3.0.3-2build1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb04:52
seth_k(I backported it, so it's on my server until jdong decides it's worthy to be uploaded)04:52
TestMADwhat is supernix?04:53
supernixseth_k: got it but how do you install ?04:55
seth_ksupernix, open a terminal and cd to where you saved it04:56
supernixis it dpkg -i *.deb ?04:56
seth_ktab completion is your friend04:56
seth_ksudo dpkg -i kren[TAB] 04:56
nmorseTab completion is everyone's friend04:56
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seth_kbut nobody knows how to use a terminal these days :(04:57
nmorseI do04:57
nmorseI like the terminal04:57
nmorseBest UI ever04:57
seth_kfastest at least04:58
nmorseMost efficient for sure04:59
nmorseExcept for moving large folders full of subfolders and crap like that04:59
seth_kwhat's the matter with subfolders? cp -r eats them for lunch :P05:01
kalenedraelas does mv -r05:01
kalenedraelor rm -r :P05:01
seth_kack, rm -r05:01
nmorsealways add -f05:02
kalenedraeloh, i use it all the time05:02
nmorseI use it to clean out temp source directories05:02
TestMADwhat do i do about this??05:10
TestMADE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)05:10
TestMADE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?05:10
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danneive just installed linux:D05:14
dannei like it :D05:14
_michaelok, how to i do the chmod 700 thing?05:14
_michaelsry im such a noob and probably very annoying05:15
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sedeki_michael: hello05:16
sedekiwhat do you need help with?05:16
_michaelI do $cvscedega05:17
_michaelwine: '/home/michael/.cvscedega/wineserver-kubuntu' must not be accessible by other users05:17
_michaelis what I get05:17
_michaelsum1 told me to chmod 700 - but i don't know what that means05:17
sedekichange rights on that folder05:18
sedekiopen the konsole05:18
sedekicd /home/michael/.cvscedega/05:18
sedekichmod 700 wineserver-kubuntu05:18
_michaelwine: exists lstat socket : No such file or directory05:19
_michaelwhat's that mean?05:20
sedekii have no idea. did you apt-get cedega?05:20
_michaelno, i used a script05:20
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_michaelhow do i ununstall what I have?05:20
_michaelor can I apt-get and overwrite what I habe?05:22
sedekicheck if there is a uninstall automatic with script05:22
_michaelthe script was WineCVS.sh05:22
sedekiand you can probobly overwrite it.05:23
_michaelwhat repository do I need to apt-get it05:24
_michael$apt-get install cedega05:25
_michaelE: Couldn't find package cedega05:25
TestMADyou want cedega?05:25
seth_klike I said, you have to buy cedega. And you can't find a compiled version of Cedega CVS that is legal, because the license prevents you from doing so05:25
nmorseWineCVS.sh should work for that05:26
nmorseIt'll compile it for you05:26
nmorseI reccomend dx9wine though05:26
_michaelI downloaded winecvs.sh, but I have the error with i05:27
nmorseI just want a WineCVS.sh profile that'll download nwwinex05:28
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_michaelwine: exists lstat socket : No such file or directory05:28
_michaelshould I have run the script as root?05:29
nmorseYeah, probably05:29
_michaeli'll try that then05:29
nmorseThey have a Wiki howto05:29
nmorseOn linux-gamers.net05:30
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_michaelso, what is a good profile to use? i used 205:31
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nmorseNot really sure, don't use Cedega05:33
nmorseI just wanted to know if dx9wine would make Rome: Total War work05:33
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_michaelwho was i just IMing with?05:49
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gigaclonhow to get JRE to work on firefox?05:59
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nmorseThere's the free gcj-webplugin or there's the fun way05:59
nmorseThe fun way works best06:00
gigaclonthe fun way??06:00
gigacloni downloaded the linux JRE on the website06:00
Octanegigaclon: there is a plugin... see the kubuntu faq06:00
Octaneor the fedora faq www.fedorafaq.org06:00
ubotufaq is probably Frequently Asked Questions you can check it out from here ---> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions06:01
nmorseNice, ubotu06:01
nmorseI love bots06:01
nmorseI want Jabber's chatbot brought back06:02
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ubuntuhi everyone06:03
ubuntuI'm using kubuntu live CD to fix grub, what's the root pass?06:03
ubuntunever mind, I got it sudo passwd root06:05
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gigaclonso how is the kubuntu world today06:08
seth_kgigaclon, re Java:06:09
ubotuwell, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin.06:09
gigaclonI got it06:10
nmorsea handy bot indeed06:13
ubuntuanyone knows how to restore grub with live CD?06:18
ubuntuwhat, no coders/hackers gurus around?06:19
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seth_kubotu grubrestore is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows06:20
ubotuokay, seth_k06:20
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seth_kdid you get that ubuntu?06:20
ubuntuseth_k: yes thanks, problem is live CD dont have grub06:21
ubuntuI could've grub> root (hd0)06:21
ubuntuthen setup 06:21
seth_kthat's why you chroot to your hard drive06:21
ubuntubut ... it's not on the Live CD :(06:21
seth_kthat is the whole point06:21
ubuntuseth_k: ok, let me go read the wiki, thx much for your help06:21
ubuntugrub> setup (hd0)06:22
ubuntuError 17: Cannot mount selected partition06:22
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TestMADseth_k:  what is a good par2 app?06:23
seth_kubuntu, follow the wiki. You have to chroot in and mount things. And if your /etc/fstab isn't right, you need to fix that first06:24
seth_kTestMAD, i don't know what par2 is06:24
bbaileyTestMAD: par2 ;)06:26
TestMADi need an app for it06:26
TestMADall i found was the cmdline one06:26
bbaileyYes, the cmdline one is the only one I've found. (On any linux distro)06:27
TestMADwhoa..kubuntu has 2 par2 apps06:27
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ubuntuseth_k: I'm trying the wiki, let me reboot to find out if it works, brb06:36
=== barlas don't know what's par2 :-/
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supernixI must be doing something all wrong or Krename just flat out sucks06:41
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seth_kyou're doing something wrong b/c krename pwns06:54
armerwhat's krename?06:54
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supernixit is a gui to the rename program as I recall06:56
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armeras in, rename a file?07:02
konkianyone know how i can install other extensions on firefox... the website always take me to upgrade to 1.0.5 have 1.0.4 installed already07:03
nmorseDidn't know that was out07:03
konkinmorse, mozilla-firefox 1.0.5 version07:04
konkithe website doesn't let you get other extensions until you upgrade...07:04
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=== Topic for #kubuntu: Kubuntu help channel | Espanol #kubuntu-es | Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de/ | KOffice 1.4 http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice-14.php | KDE 3.4.1 http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php
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=== #kubuntu [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
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=== Topic for #kubuntu: Kubuntu help channel | Espanol #kubuntu-es | Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de/ | KOffice 1.4 http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice-14.php | KDE 3.4.1 http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php
=== Topic (#kubuntu): set by Riddell at Fri Jul 15 22:50:49 2005
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axisneed an apt-source 07:17
axisi can't seem to apt-get install kubuntu-desktop07:19
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ubuntuHi guys. I was going to install Hoary 5.04 but saw a newer iso 5.04.3, but can not figure how to install. Can some one help?07:24
ubuntuubotu: Tell me how to install Kubuntu Hoary
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ubotuWish i knew, TestMAD07:33
axisubuntu Hi guys. I was going to install Hoary 5.04 but saw a newer iso 5.04.3, but can not figure how to install. Can some one help?07:35
axisubuntu ubotu: Tell me how to install Kubuntu Hoary
axiswas that you07:35
TestMADubotu is a bot07:36
ubotuTestMAD: I give up, what is it?07:36
TestMADto install..just d/l the iso..burn it..07:36
TestMADand reboot with cdro in the drive07:37
TestMADaxis: try this site07:39
stibbywhat does .3 have?07:39
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konkiwhat pkg version of firefox did kubuntu get?? 1.0.4 or 1.0.5??07:49
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nmorse1.0.1 I think07:51
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konkiwell i guess were doing better we have 1.0.4 but mepis has 1.0.507:58
TestMADwe got 1.0.508:00
TestMADi think08:01
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supernixI don't see 1.0508:04
supernixI only see 1.02 and I did a refresh of the packages08:04
alakhiaI'm new to irc and kubuntu08:04
epilocjoin the club alakhia08:05
alakhiaIs this a dev channel or for users?08:06
nmorseLots of new people around eh?08:06
nmorseChannel for everyone using Kubuntu I guess08:06
supernixYes this is the general channel08:06
alakhiaCool! After using gentoo for few months, kubuntu is a welcome change.08:07
supernixThe #ubuntu channel is more of a develper channel08:07
supernixat least that is how they act08:07
supernixLOL what made you switch alakhia 08:07
alakhiagot tired of compiling08:07
alakhiamy laptop took ages to compile ... :)08:08
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nmorseI hated the compiling on Gentoo08:08
axishow do i add Gaim to my kde startup08:08
nmorseA Debian-based distro was a blessing to go back to after that08:08
alakhia5% extra performance not worth the hassle08:09
supernixHmm I never compiled much08:09
supernixnever used Gentoo much either08:09
supernixonce I booted up and saw no GUI on their livecd that was it for their test08:09
alakhiai'm new to debian ... getting used to apt-get08:09
alakhiayeah, their livecd is just to install gentoo, not really use it08:10
axisanybody, anybody? easy question08:10
axishow i can have Gaim automatically start08:11
axisat GUI boot08:11
nmorseLeave it open when you exit session08:11
aseigoif it's running when you quit the session it should restart on its own08:11
nmorseThen when you load that session next time it works08:11
TestMADwhat can i do to keep kubuntu clean..from all the clutter..08:11
nmorseOr you can add a launcher to your .kde/share/Autostart folder08:11
TestMADlike tmp files..orphaned files..cahces08:11
nmorseCron cleans them08:12
nmorseDon't worry about it08:12
axisTestMAD: thx08:12
TestMADaxis: np08:12
nmorseYou know, come to think of it, I don't know exactly what cron does on Kubuntu?08:12
alakhiayeah, I got mail about broken sym links the other day. It is run by cron.daily!08:12
nmorseTime to start looking08:12
TestMADdoes cron run by itself?08:12
axiskubuntu is pretty nice too08:12
TestMADor do i have to run it once to make it do it all the time08:13
alakhiacron runs automatically for you08:13
TestMADand what is slocate?08:13
alakhiait starts up when you boot08:13
axisTestMAD, : its the index of  your filesystem08:13
axisTestMAD, : updatedb updates the index08:13
TestMADdid i really have to run that like the install told me to?08:14
axisTestMAD: so you can find files in CLI with "locate <file>08:14
axisTestMAD: no08:14
axisTestMAD: just "updatedb" manually08:14
axisTestMAD: if you're going to go searching for files08:14
alakhiaI use locate all the time ... much faster than find.08:14
axisor if you  search for files alot with /search or "locate" then maybe you should drop it in cron .. other then that, it's not crucial08:15
axisi use locate as well08:15
axisbut i don't add too many new packages08:15
axisso i don't have to update all the time08:15
axisif i can't find something 1nce, i "updatedb" 08:15
TestMADwhat about pre-linking?08:15
axisif that doesn't find it .. then i'm looking for thr wrong file08:15
axisno clu08:16
gigaclonis there a way to disable Konq for web-browsing?08:16
alakhiaI used prelinking with gentoo08:16
axisgigaclon, : what do you want to use?08:16
alakhiaI suppose apt-get install prelink should install it08:16
gigaclonalready have it08:16
alakhiathen, to use, you need to setup a conf file08:16
axisgigaclon, : well in firefox, there has to be an option that says  "make firefox your default browser"08:16
axisgigaclon, : and i'm sure koqueror has the same.. you find mozilla's, i'll find konq's 08:17
alakhiatry looking here: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/prelink-howto.xml08:17
alakhiathat's what I used on gentoo08:17
alakhiaIt can't be all that different on kubuntu08:17
alakhiaIt did make kde startup a bit faster08:18
TestMADubuntu has a pre-link how to..but i saw somewhere that this could lead to disaster08:18
axisgigaclon: i couldn't find it in konqueror08:18
alakhiareally ... I thought prelinking was harmless08:18
axisgigaclon: but if you find it in mozilla, that should work fine08:18
aseigogigaclon: go into the control panels, kde components, component chooser08:19
alakhiait either works or the system reverts to manually finding the symbols08:19
axisgigaclon, : also in firefox, go to "edit" -Preferences- and right there should be the "default browser" tab08:19
alakhiaso, in the worst case, it does nothing08:19
alakhiain the best case, it makes linking of dso's faster08:20
alakhiaFrom gentoo web page: Warning: It has been observed that if you are low on disk space and you prelink your entire system then there is a possibility that your binaries may be truncated. The result being a b0rked system.08:21
gigaclonit actually says borked?08:22
alakhiayup! :)08:22
gigaclonthe geeks!!08:22
supernixFirefox 1.02 on Kubuntu sucks it wont let you see the passwords for one and two I am having trouble with a popup form in Hivemail08:22
alakhiaNot see passwords? Isn't that a good thing?08:23
alakhiaYou wouldn't want someone to look over your shoulder ... no?08:24
supernixNot when your trying to view them08:24
axissupernix,  you should always remember them08:24
axisi have a zillion passwds08:24
axisall alphanumeric08:24
axis8 character at least08:24
supernixThat is just to paranoid and you could never remember the passwords I use they are usually 16 didgits long08:24
axiswas one of my first08:25
axisgood ol days of icq 9508:25
axisaccount #21841308:25
axisthen my second account was "5160924"08:25
axisand my third, #1310074908:25
axisso are mp3's / codecs installed with kubuntu?08:26
alakhiaI write down things hints at times ... to remind me what the password is!08:26
axisq165st708 was queen stree 165, apt 708 .. where my buddy used to live ! hahaha08:27
alakhiaI also recycle them ... makes is easier if you just have 5 passwords instead of 5008:27
axisalakhia: if you're going to do it that way, just dump them all in a text file, and name it something wacky like .exe ..08:27
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axisyah i have about 10 on rotation .. hahaha08:27
supernixI usually use a random password generator08:27
alakhiasecurity by obscurity! :)08:27
axisand then another 10 variables of those passwords08:28
axisexactly alakhia 08:28
alakhiarandom passwords! Argggh!08:28
axisi'm pretty good at generated pwords08:28
axisthat's half the fun08:28
axisto me anyways08:28
alakhiaI would never do that to myself!08:28
alakhiaman, it would take me 5 minutes just to type it ... if I remembered it! ;)08:29
alakhiathat one08:30
axisjust practice using numbers instead of vowels08:30
axis;] 08:30
alakhiaoh, i see08:30
axismakes it easier08:30
alakhianot bad08:30
alakhiawell, getting late here08:31
axistrue that08:31
alakhiaNice talking to you, axis08:31
axisyou too alakhia 08:31
alakhiaoh ... 11:3008:31
alakhiapm here ... Pacific time08:31
axiswhere b..08:31
axiswell.. i'm sure i'll see you around..08:32
axishave a good night08:32
alakhiayou too08:32
ubotuaxis: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about08:32
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hussambuz: I'm compiling it now. I'll look for some place to upload it when it's done.08:44
buzmhh how big will it be?08:45
hussamlike 10MB.08:45
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hussami won't upload it from home. I have slow connection. I'll copy it to cd then upload it at college.08:46
buzmhh do a torrent?08:47
hussammy ISP blocks p2p.08:47
buzmhh i could seed it for a while08:48
hussamwell, once I upload it, you can download and do the torrent thing.08:49
hussamit's still compiling ( no errors yet ) so I hope it works.08:49
buzwell try it out first ;)08:50
hussamof course.08:50
hussamI'm making it optimized for pentium3.08:51
TestMADwhat is deer park?08:52
hussamalpha 2 for firefox 1.1 ?08:52
hussamyes 1.108:52
hussamTestMAD: we're trying to compile it with qt/kde instead of gtk208:54
TestMADbenefits are?08:54
hussamit will look like a kde application08:55
hussambut this is an experimental feature in 1.108:55
TestMADis xcompmgr compatible with KDE?08:55
hussamthe official builds from mozilla.org will always be gtk unfortunately.08:56
TestMADand transet?08:56
hussamTestMAD: it's built in.08:56
buzi wonder how itll look08:56
TestMADwhere can i find it?08:56
buzit would be a killer feature for kubuntu08:56
hussamTestMAD: kompmgr08:56
buzi bloody hate the ugly gtk dialogs08:56
TestMADwhat about transet?08:57
hussamTestMAD: not sure.08:58
TestMADi know it sets windows transparencies08:58
hussamTestMAD: I know that, but I'm not sure it works in kde08:59
TestMADahh..is there a KDE equal?08:59
hussamnot sure either, maybe somebody else knows better. 08:59
TestMADwhat is xfce?09:01
hussamTestMAD: a lightweight window manager. it's lighter on resources than kde and gnome 09:01
hussamit has an GUI installer that will automatically compile it and install it on your PC.09:03
paxwhat's the deal with packages disapearing from backports?09:08
paxis this some new policy or something?09:09
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hussambuz: still compiling.09:18
buzhow long since you started?09:19
hussamlike 40 minutes ago.09:19
buzah thats not so bad09:19
hussamit usually takes like 75 minutes on my pc. 09:19
hussamOn a P4, it takes like 20 minutes.09:20
hussamI don't mind if it takes time as long as it does not give an error09:22
buzyeah ;)09:22
buzhave you got a script how to build it?09:22
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hussamyou mean  a .mozconfig ?09:23
hussamfor firefox 1.0.5 or 1.1 ?09:23
buzcan you paste is somewhere09:25
buzi wanna give it a shot myself ;)09:26
hussamthis is the source http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/deerpark/alpha2/source/firefox-1.1a2-source.tar.bz209:28
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_ethancan some1 help a noob install apollon?09:34
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hussamdid you sudo apt-get install apollon?09:38
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Choubakaedsuom: be patient. :P09:38
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_ethanyes i tried it said couldn't find package09:39
Choubaka_ethan: that was obviously to you.09:39
_ethanmind u i am a noob first linux os installed it 2 days ago09:40
pax_ethan: edit your source.list to include universe and backports09:40
_ethando i edit with kate?09:40
paxkate, nano, vim, kedit09:40
paxwhatever you want09:41
paxhere, copy/paste and you're done: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories09:41
othernoobpax: doesn't kate have problems sudoing?09:42
_ethanok thnx09:42
paxothernoob: fine with kdesu09:42
_ethankate quit wroking earlier for me neway09:42
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othernoobis the us.archive fixed now?09:45
paxfor me, yes.09:47
paxftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu <- good09:47
hussambuz: still compiling, I hope it works.09:48
buzhussam: gonna give it a shot compiling as well09:48
paxrolling a kernel hussam?09:48
buzfirefox with qt09:49
hussampax: no compiling firefox 1.1 alpha 2 with kde/qt interface instead of gtk09:49
paxsounds like a plan09:49
hussambuz: are you downloading the source?09:50
paxlet me know how it goes, so I can join the party.09:50
buzi did09:50
buzalready started make09:50
buzwith your mozconfig09:50
hussambuz: how fast is your PC09:51
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buzbut uhm make already stopped09:51
hussamwhat error?09:51
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buzcan i use normal make?09:51
buzor do i need gmake09:52
ethan_hey pax09:52
hussambuz: no you only need make09:52
paxhi ethan_ 09:52
buzmhh i did apt-get build-dep firefox before09:52
buzbut it doesn't seem to help09:52
ethan_can u give me that page again?09:52
paxethan_: what page?09:53
hussambuz: can you tell the error?09:53
buzi trying again09:53
ethan_about installing apollen09:53
ethan_wasnt that u?09:53
buzi need to set the mozconfig then start make right?09:53
ethan_thnx a ton09:53
hussamsave you .mozconfig in your home dir.09:54
buzdid do that yes09:56
buzgcc complains it cant find glib.h09:57
hussamdo you have the glib dev package?09:57
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buzmhh libglib2.0-dev yes09:58
buznot 1.1 tho09:58
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hussamyou only need the 2.0 not the 1.110:00
buzmhh locate glib.h doesnt find anything at all10:00
hussamoh you need libglib1.2-dev as well.10:01
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hussamI have that installed as well, both 2.0 and 1.210:01
AapzakQt: 3.3.310:01
AapzakKDE: 3.4.010:01
Aapzakkde-config: 1.010:01
buzi have kde 3.4.110:02
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AapzakI want that too10:02
hussambuz: same here10:02
AapzakI'm running Kubuntu-desktop hoary10:02
hussamjust apt-get install libglib1.2-dev10:03
Aapzakkalenedrael: how are you ? I'm running Kubuntu now, and wifi is working10:04
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Aapzakcompling firefox takes a long time10:05
buzhussam: i already did that10:05
buzno luck it seems10:05
Aapzakwhy are you compiling firefox?10:05
buzdo i perchance need to supply that as -I param?10:05
AapzakI need 3.4.1 too guys, how do I get it?10:06
hussamcrap , it stopped with an error10:06
AapzakAapzak: look in the topic10:06
hussambuz: remove enable-svg from mozconfig10:07
hussamI'll try recompiling without enable-svg and enable-canvas10:08
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Aapzakgonna upgrade in console, bbl10:09
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buzdisabling svg seems to help so far10:13
hussambuz: hopefully it will work this time10:15
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buzdo i need kde dev stuff or just libqt3-dev10:16
hussamno just qt3-dev10:17
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guillemwow, composite manager from KDE is outstanding10:25
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Choubakatoo bad composite isn't very good. :/10:28
Choubakait's slow.10:28
Choubakand unstable.10:28
guillemChoubaka: not so slow at my nvidia card ;-P . It is unstable, yes.10:28
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Choubakaguillem: it could be a lot faster.10:29
guillemChoubaka: probably it will10:29
Choubakaa guy I know on debian may be including Xglx in his livecd. 10:29
ChoubakaThat's supposed to be composite done right.10:29
ChoubakaAt least from what he tells me it's also fast.10:30
guillemChoubaka: I guess there still there is room for improvement with current approach10:30
ChoubakaIf they can improve. :/10:30
guillemChoubaka: most of the performance problem is at the driver side, IMHO10:31
ChoubakaNot with composite at least.10:31
nikkiafrom what i can see, Xglx is less reliable than composite :O10:32
ChoubakaAFAIK the standards and conventions and specifications and whatever of X are not very flexible10:32
Choubakanikkia: well, it's still beta.10:32
nikkiaChoubaka: the real problem is, that people don't follow the standards and conventions of X :)10:32
ChoubakaThat's new.10:32
ChoubakaI've only heard developers cursing how much X sucks.10:33
nikkiaChoubaka: for example, everyone does widgets using pixmaps and direct rendering10:33
nikkiaas such, widgets with Gtk, Qt, etc are SLOW10:33
Choubakacan you do them some other way then?10:33
ChoubakaI thought X offered you no options.10:33
nikkiathe X development kit was designed with pluggable widgets, noone except motif and Xaw has ever used it10:33
nikkia(if Qt and Gtk had, there wouldn't really be any reason for things like gtk-qtengine10:34
nikkiaChoubaka: this problem is compounded by the fact that direct pixmap rendering is about the slowest thing you can do in X :/10:35
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ChoubakaIf those pluggable things are so good, why didn't GTK and QT use them? :/10:35
nikkiai won't pretend, however, that the Xlib widget routines are easy to use10:35
nikkiaChoubaka: they're complex, overly hard to develop with, etc, the temptation of a beginning X developer is 'just use pixmaps, its easier and faster to get working'10:36
ChoubakaAh. hah.10:36
ChoubakaWell, no wonder then :/10:36
nikkiaChoubaka: to use them, in something like a DE, you *really* need a proper design and engineering strategy10:36
buzstill compiling10:36
Choubaka"We have a better solution, but it's so hard to use you'll want to use the bad solution"10:37
guillemnikkia: however, as far as I can tell, Xlib routines would not allow you to do smooth font rendereing...10:37
nikkiaChoubaka: motif might be ugly, but it was at least engineered10:37
Choubakayeah. :P10:37
ChoubakaBut ugly is bad.10:37
nikkiaguillem: with the plain routines, no, you couldn't, but then, when Qt and Gtk were created, there was no way to do it at all10:37
nikkiaguillem: you could still argue that fixing Xlib to support better font technologies would have been better than what has happened10:38
ChoubakaI don't really know much about these things.10:38
guillemnikkia: I'm a motif programmer and all tha I can say is  that is pain difficult to do "dynamic" GUIs. Something that does not happen with Qt or GTK. I know that has little to do with drawing.10:38
nikkiaChoubaka: its only ugly because its as old as windows 3.0 and designed with windows 3.0's look and feel in mind10:39
nikkiaguillem: that's really a limitation of the motif SDK, most of the 3rd party X SDKs of that era were similarly event bound10:39
ChoubakaI doubt that guy would be hyping Xglx if it really weren't good.10:39
nikkiaguillem: its near impossible to do dynamic UIs in Xview too, which was motif's comptemporary10:39
nikkiacontemporary, even10:39
ChoubakaBut I don't even use a linux desktop anymore. ;P10:40
nikkiaChoubaka: remember, MS designed the motif look and feel10:40
guillemnikkia: I am not so sure that what has happened is so bad afterall. In my new computer X11 flies with shadows et al.10:40
nikkiaChoubaka: a major design goal for motif was to unify the look and feel of unix and windows systems10:40
ChoubakaWell, windows is freaking ugly too.10:40
Choubakaso yeah, they managed pretty well10:41
Choubaka(w2k is)10:41
Choubakadamn. 10:41
nikkiaguillem: the problem is, it all falls apart if you try to do cross-network displays10:41
ChoubakaI was about to say w2k is the least ugly windows. 10:41
nikkiaguillem: there is a long list of Gtk and Qt apps that simply do not run across a remote X display10:42
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nikkiausing pixmaps works fine locally, but it has some significanty gotchas if the X display is not local10:42
guillemnikkia: which ones? I do constantly remote X displaying of Gtk apps (evolution, whole gnome desktop, ...) and the only thing it does not work properly is video10:43
nikkiagah, my typing is terrible today :(10:43
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nikkiaguillem: generally, anything that tries to fudge translucency, IME10:43
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nikkiaguillem: and 'most of them' if you don't use the same visuals as provided by the local server10:44
ChoubakaI'm using OS X now. It shouldn't take linux too long for them to be able to offer a similar desktop experience. :)10:44
guillemnikkia: besides, pixmaps can reside at the server side, and IMHO translucency works fine if composite manager is local-10:44
nikkiaChoubaka: sadly, i think it will10:44
nikkiaChoubaka: i don't think the X architecture is really suited to trying to provide the same features as OS X10:45
guillemnikkia: sadly i think it will even take longer to OS-X be network transparent.10:45
nikkiaguillem: its already network transparent, just not well known about10:45
Choubaka3d-hardware accelerated desktops are not far away.10:46
nikkiamostly because you have to PAY to get the network transparent stufff10:46
ChoubakaThough I do not know how you define "not far away"10:46
ChoubakaBut I'm happy using this powerbook until I can afford a new desktop machine.10:47
guillemnikkia: but real network transparency or something like improved vnc??10:47
nikkiaguillem: there are 2 ways of doing it on OS X10:48
nikkiaone is basically 'like vnc/rdp'10:48
ChoubakaIt'll run linux then, and I'll see how it works :)10:48
nikkiathe other is to have your cocoa objects reside on the desktop, and the rest of the code run on the server10:48
nikkiabecause Cocoa is designed to allow objects to exist over a network connection, the second way works fine, perhaps even better than X style, as your widgets locally10:49
guillemnikkia: the first one is slower than X provided you have local network bandwidth.  The second one limits you to current widgets... what happens with custom ones?10:50
nikkiaguillem: custom widgets should work fine, assuming they're derived in a proper OO way10:50
guillemnikkia: didn't know about that.10:51
hussambuz: is the compile working for you?10:51
buzso far10:51
buzso good10:51
hussamsame here10:51
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nikkiaguillem: to be honest, distributed-objects is one of the places where OS X and Objective-C really shine10:52
nikkiaguillem: even if your 'distributed object' is local, it provides a much better threading model than standard C++/etc OO styles10:53
epilocjesus, i need to sleep10:55
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Riggzy_LinuxHey - I'm trying to install ALSA, but ofcourse its already installed... how doI remove the old version?10:57
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Skaaghello people! :-)11:06
SkaagCan someone hel me out with wifi?11:06
SkaagI'm running kwifimanager but it can not find wireless networks11:06
Skaagbut there's a wireless WEP 128bit network here, which the Windows people connect to happily11:06
guillemnikkia: the OS-X approach is then the "Y-windows" one, I guess.11:08
Riggzy_LinuxI'm trying to ununstall ALSA (so I can compile a newer one)... how do I ununstall it?11:09
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Riggzy_LinuxI tried running apt-get remove alsa, but it wants to remobe ubuntu-base too ;-)11:09
nikkiaRiggzy_Linux: is there a particular reason you'd want to remove the included alsa ?11:10
Riggzy_Linuxnikka, OK, i'm not sure I have to... but what I know is that my sound aint workin' ;-)11:11
Riggzy_Linuxdo i need to do anything to get it to work with my audigy2? (emu10k1)11:12
Riggzy_Linuxnikkia*  oops11:14
hussambuz: did your compile work? mine is still going on11:14
nikkiano idea11:14
othernoobRiggzy_Linux: open kmix11:14
othernoobRiggzy_Linux: and choose analog output..11:14
othernoobRiggzy_Linux: unless you do have it plugged into digital..11:15
Riggzy_Linuxcheers ;-)11:16
epilocwould this ati driver work with kubuntu ATI Proprietary Linux x86 Drivers for XFree86 / X.Org Version 8.14.13 ?11:16
epilocill take that as a big no11:19
epiloci guess its time to figure out how to build the deb pkg11:20
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Spiritual_Vagabohi, i just installed kubuntu11:21
Spiritual_Vagabobut am unable to get my broadband working on it11:22
Spiritual_Vagabocan anyone help me?11:23
insanekaneSpiritual_Vagabo: what kind of broadband ?11:23
insanekaneSpiritual_Vagabo: it is connected via USB or via networking cable ?11:24
Spiritual_Vagabothru a router11:24
Spiritual_Vagabovia network cable11:24
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insanekanehow many network cards do you have ?11:24
insanekaneSpiritual_Vagabo: ok, is it a static or dynamic IP ?11:25
Spiritual_Vagaboactually it does have dynamic IP11:26
insanekaneSpiritual_Vagabo: ok ... in that case .. open a Konsole ..11:26
insanekaneand type11:26
insanekaneSpiritual_Vagabo: sudo dhclient eth011:26
Spiritual_Vagabowill try that11:26
Spiritual_Vagaboi tried pppoeconf.11:27
Spiritual_Vagaboit detected eth0 but couldnt configure it11:27
Spiritual_Vagabothen I tried "sudo add default gw" but it says "file exists"11:28
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buzhussam: my build crashed11:35
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Riggzy_LinuxArg... 've got a FAT32 partition that I was gonna use for sharing files between OSes, but only root can write to it11:43
Kamping_Kaisercheck your fstab11:44
Riggzy_Linuxwhat should be under options?11:44
Riggzy_Linuxit's set to "default"11:44
Kamping_Kaiserthat's ok. you can add "rw" as well.11:45
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Kamping_KaiserI'm suprised it's not writeble by default11:45
Riggzy_LinuxI tried, didn't work, oy11:45
Riggzy_Linuxubuntu does have native fat32 support, right? ;-)11:45
Kamping_Kaiseryes :)11:46
Riggzy_Linuxls -l /   shows that /share has these eprmissions:  drwxr-xr-x11:46
Riggzy_LinuxI've done a chmod a+rw and its the same11:46
nikkiaRiggzy_Linux: you need to set a umask11:47
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hussambuz: mine is still going on but it could also give an error. I'll have to wait.11:47
Kamping_KaiserI'm trying to remembe5r what # to set11:47
Riggzy_Linuxnikkia, what syntax do I use?11:48
worzelRiggzy try chmod 0757 etc11:48
nikkiaworzel: it won't work, the umask overrides everything11:48
nikkiaRiggzy_Linux: umask=0 in the options for the filesystem will work, but there are other options, such as defining acess to the disk based on group membership, and using group=groupname,umask=007 or group=groupname,umask=00211:50
Riggzy_Linuxok, so my fstab options will be default,rw,umask=0  ?11:51
Riggzy_Linuxok :) thanks11:53
nikkiayou might want 'user'  in there too, so you don't have to be root to mount/umount it11:53
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epilocdoes anyone know anything about the flrgx driver for ati cards?11:53
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worzelany use? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3249512:03
gwilmanot very much - what do you want to know epiloc?12:03
hussambuz: it gave an error12:05
hussambuz: i'll try again later12:05
buztoo bad12:05
epilocim trying to do this 'root@home:~# apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 xorg-driver-fglrx'12:08
epilocReading package lists... Done12:09
epilocBuilding dependency tree... Done12:09
epiloclinux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 is already the newest version.12:09
epilocE: Couldn't find package xorg-driver-fglrx12:09
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Riggzy_LinuxHmm, what package do I need to fix X11 build dependencies?12:11
Riggzy_LinuxI'm trying to build xine-lib12:12
epilocany ideas?12:12
buzapt-get build-dep xine-lib ?12:13
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marcus2005Anyone here?12:16
marcus2005I wonder how to use multiple screens12:18
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marcus2005Got my tv connected through TV out12:18
worzelepiloc - synaptic has xorg-driver-fglrx shown as maintained pkg here 12:18
epilocso its there?12:19
epilocim confused... i just need the fglrx driver package12:20
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worzelunder miscellaneous text-based restricted12:20
Riggzy_Linuxbuz - thanks, it worked12:20
epilockynaptic doesnt show12:21
marcus2005Have you added the extra repositories?12:21
epilocall im showing under there is linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5blahlblah12:22
epilocnot sure... how would i check?12:23
epilocreading up on it now...12:24
marcus2005Wait some seconds12:25
marcus2005I gonna look how it is in Kubuntu. Got gone on my other12:25
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marcus2005Go to /etc/apt/source.list12:28
void-Anyone know if there is a prebuilt cvs-wine for ubuntu (debs)?12:29
buzi dont think so12:29
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epilocmarcus2005, i am backing up sources.list and making the changes right now12:30
marcus2005Ok perfect12:30
Riggzy_LinuxWhat do I need to play things in amarok without it crashing? ;-) there isnt an engine installed at the moment12:31
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othernoobRiggzy_Linux: xine, arts, gstreamer?12:31
Riggzy_Linuxok, thanks, lol12:32
marcus2005Does anyone khow how to use multiple screens_?12:32
marcus2005And how do i find freeNX12:33
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epilocmarcus2005, i am doing sudo apt-get update12:36
epilocshould i do apt-get upgrade?12:36
Riggzy_Linuxwhats the easiest way to install a .deb package?12:36
Riggzy_Linuxwait, nvm12:37
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epilocok on to the next step12:39
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epilocok, installed fglrx, hopefully xwin doesnt crash12:53
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mhalehi all01:01
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epilocati radeon up and running01:02
mhalei have a question about the kubuntu dvd... does it have all the packages on it, or just the same ones as the install cd?01:02
ChoubakaI would say it has all the packages.01:02
Riddellmhale: it is combined live and install and has all the packages in main and supported (CD has only kubuntu-desktop)01:04
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mhaleRiddell: thanks01:07
epilocanyone ever play with Kstars?01:08
mhaleRiddell: you wouldnt be jriddell would you?01:08
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mhalekind of a silly question, but there might be more than one of you01:09
ateveshi! is there any possibilty to save the current config and made changes of the kubuntu live CD01:09
atevesso i can start it again with my changes01:09
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m0ns00nateves: Hey alex01:15
Riddellmhale: I would01:15
m0ns00nateves: This is what you do, you start by installing the cd to harddisk, then you boot from harddisk :-P01:16
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PieDI've got some small problems with the OpenOffice included in ubuntu/kubuntu :01:20
PieD1- the gtk icons look ugly ! Is there a package including KDE icons for OOo 1.1 ?01:20
PieD2- I'm using it in french, and the special characters in the menu doesn't appear since I upgraded OpenOffice01:21
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PieDDo you know how to fix it ?01:22
PieD(Since neither OpenOffice 2 nor OpenOffice 1.1.5 is released, it is "impossible" to use KOffice : the readers for OASIS documents aren't installable by everybody)01:23
painesPieD: you could install a gtk-engines2-germaik or qrmixmap theem01:25
PieDit will change the icons ?01:25
painesso gtk / gnome like apps would look like kde ones01:25
PieDthe icons in OOo ?01:25
painesiirc, it should01:25
Riggzy_LinuxHmm, whats the easiest way tog et Tux Racer on here? ;-)01:26
PieDpaines: sorry, it doesn't :/01:26
painesreally ?01:27
painescause xchat e.g. looks very kdeish with gtk-engines-geramik01:27
painesand firefox too01:27
PieDxchat and firefox are gtk apps01:27
PieDopenoffice is ...01:27
paineshave you changed the gtk theme with gtk-theme-switch(2)01:27
PieDit isn't a gtk app at all :/01:27
PieDyes I did01:28
PieDit apply on synaptic01:28
PieDbut OpenOffice don't care about that01:28
paineswell, wich toolkit is oo using ?01:28
PieDtheir own toolkit01:28
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PieDSAL or something like that (System Abstraction Layer)01:28
painesand if you install openoffice.org-gtk-gnome01:30
Riggzy_Linuxis there an apt-get package for tux racer?01:31
PieDdon't install tuxracer01:32
PieDtuxracer is to be forgotten since it is not free yet01:32
PieDonly the old release are free01:32
PieDyet, use ppracer !01:32
PieDpaines: openoffice ignores the changes...01:33
Riggzy_LinuxPieD - lol, thanks01:34
PieDppracer provides debian packages01:34
PieDand they work on kubuntu01:34
Pie-makerthis is the link to ppracer http://projects.planetpenguin.de/racer/index.php01:34
Riggzy_Linuxthats what I'm downlaoding now01:34
Riggzy_LinuxMay as well get my moneys worth out of this IRC ;-) what do I need to change in the grub config for it to boot into Winblows as default?01:35
PieDin the first lines01:36
PieDdefault         001:36
PieD=> either you set it to the position of your windows entry01:36
PieDeither you move your windows entry to the first position01:37
Riggzy_Linuxdoes the chainloader=+1 mean anything?01:37
PieDho yes01:37
PieDit is necessary to start windows01:38
PieDchainloader *=* +1 ??01:38
PieDI believed it was chainloader +101:38
Riggzy_Linuxlol noep sorry01:38
Riggzy_Linuxsomy entries are [ linux]  [linux]  [linux]  [divider]  [windows]  so default is 401:40
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Riggzy_LinuxDoes ubuntu have antive NTFS read support?02:06
Riggzy_Linuxbecuase i just mounted an NTFS partition, and whenever I try to cd to it i get an access denied02:06
PieDyes, it has02:07
PieDbut how did you mount the partition ?02:07
PieDdid you read the ubuntu wiki ?02:07
Riggzy_Linuxnope... *looks at his feet in shame*02:07
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Jo3bCoOlhi all02:11
Jo3bCoOlI have a question02:11
Jo3bCoOlhow come there are no games with kubuntu?02:12
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petraHello @all02:29
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petraIYesterday I installed kubuntu and have now a maasive Problem02:30
petraI can't start the user how is in sudoers02:30
petrawhen kde try to start I get the message that there is a permission problem with .ICE-Authority02:31
petraand kde dont start. So I dont have any root access now02:32
petraccan someone help? Or I have to reinstall the system?02:32
petrauncredible- its a fresh installation and have imidiatly such problems02:33
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petrano one here how could help??02:35
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Riggzy_LinuxHow could i get the nVidia drivers for Ubuntu?03:02
seth_ksudo aptitude install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable03:03
seth_kand you're done03:03
seth_kjust paste that whole line into a terminal and press enter03:04
Riggzy_Linuxaptitude wants to remove 50 really base-level things03:04
Riggzy_Linuxlike gcc03:04
Riggzy_Linuxand kubuntu-desktio03:05
Riggzy_Linuxsame when I do apt-get -f install03:06
Riggzy_Linuxwants to delete everything03:06
Riggzy_LinuxThe following packages have unmet dependencies:03:08
Riggzy_Linux  libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13) but 2.3.2.ds1-22 is installed03:08
Riggzy_Linux  libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13) but 2.3.2.ds1-22 is installed03:08
Riggzy_Linux  locales: Depends: glibc-2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu1303:08
Riggzy_LinuxE: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.03:08
Riggzy_Linuxoh cripes sorry03:08
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seth_kYep, use http://kubuntu.pastebin.com for big pastes please ;)03:09
seth_kRiggzy_Linux, have you used some non-Ubuntu repositories?03:10
Riggzy_LinuxI have no friggin idea ;-)03:10
Riggzy_Linuxdo i need to install libc6 2.3.2.dsl-20ubuntu13?03:11
seth_kthat shouldn't be necessary, it's an older version03:11
seth_kokay, if you have no idea you probably haven't ;)03:12
apowapt-get update?03:12
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Riggzy_Linuxwhat do I need to do to stop apt-get wanting to delete everything?03:12
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Riggzy_Linuxhttp://kubuntu.pastebin.com/316206   pretty much sms it up03:14
seth_kwell, apt is doing you a favour for the most part, why do you need all those dev packages?03:16
seth_kas for the locales, something must be conflicting03:16
Riggzy_Linuxseth_k, good point but why does it want to remove ubuntu_base?03:17
seth_kthe locales and language base03:17
seth_kubuntu base deps on those03:17
Riggzy_Linuxah I see what happened03:19
Riggzy_LinuxI downloaded libc6 from a debian repository03:20
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rockinnerdawayRiggzy_Linux, dont do debs, they can seriously screw up some stuff03:21
Riggzy_Linux...as I have just found out *shakes head*03:21
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Riggzy_Linuxgues I'm gonna have to format and stand over, on my second day, rofl03:23
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seth_kyep, there's your problem indeed03:24
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seth_kRiggzy_Linux, you can force installation of the older package03:25
seth_kand that will save you03:25
seth_kcheck /etc/apt/sources.list against this one:03:25
Riggzy_Linuxhow? i tried aptitude with the older version and it still wants to banish everything03:25
seth_k?? sources.list03:25
kinfo[sources.list]  example /etc/apt/sources.list with all official repositories plus KDE 3.4.1 and Koffice 1.4 from kubuntu.org can be found at: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/30380203:25
seth_kgo to http://packages.ubuntu.com and search for libc6, download the hoary version and force-install it with apt-get03:25
seth_kthen you should be okay03:26
Riggzy_Linuxhow do you isntall local files with apt-get?03:26
|rockinnerd|Riggzy_Linux, you can use dpkg03:34
Riggzy_Linuxso I need to do sudo dpkg --force-all blahblah.deb?03:34
nikkiaRiggzy_Linux: you need -i before blahblah.deb03:35
epilocanyone know whats up with undernet?03:36
seth_kgood, it worked?03:37
nikkiayou're just lucky dpkg didn't get broken by installing a broken libc :P03:37
Riggzy_Linuxand now aptget is installing 4 more debian packages that could have screwed me up03:37
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Riggzy_Linuxuninstalllnig* even!!03:37
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nikkiayou would do something that required a new lib version, but ldconfig would fail, and trash your ld.so.cache, which would then mean ldconfig couldn't find libc to do anything :)03:39
|rockinnerd|Riggzy_Linux, remove the debian sources in synaptic03:39
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seth_k|rockinnerd|, I had him do that earlier03:44
seth_kI think he meant uninstalling03:45
seth_k|rockinnerd|, /join #ubuntu-meeting03:45
seth_kyou'll be able to get a feel for the Membership process03:45
seth_kmeeting is in 15 minutes03:45
Riggzy_Linuxcrikey... ppracer needs libSDL... and libSDL needs, like, 10 other things ;-)03:47
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danneany now what the "photoshop" program is called in linux?04:30
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dannewhat is tha konsole word if i want to install something04:38
dannenoone ?04:39
danneplz i need some help here:D04:39
damyan_apt-get install package_anem04:40
seth_kactually use aptitude04:40
danneok ok04:40
seth_kinstead of apt-get04:40
damyan_dselect, synaptic04:40
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teprrrwajig rocks :)04:51
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dannewhat is the name to move a file05:14
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_svenhello. i just installed my first kubuntu... but what is the root password?05:14
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Nibblerdanne: mv05:15
seth_kthere is no root password05:15
uboturumour has it, rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo05:15
dannego to konsole and then you write kdesu yourname then press enter05:15
Nibbleralrite, thanks a lot05:16
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yozhi guys.. seems my touchpad doesn't work properly.. if I touch it it doesn't klick usual but does a right click.. any clue where to configure it?05:19
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Nibblerahhh, sudo -s05:20
Edvardashow to install *.bz2 or *.tgz files? (i extract them, then type in konsole configure, but at the the end of cheking everytime it says that i'm missing smth - what's the problem?) 05:20
Nibblerinstall whatever it is missing, our use configure parameters to tell the package not to include XXX05:22
yozanyone an idea here?05:22
Edvardasthnx Nibbler 05:22
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ubotuNibbler: I haven't a clue05:25
Nibbler:( how can i run a tv-application etc?05:27
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Nibbleri cant apt-get any tv-application :|05:31
bbaileytvtime is in universe05:32
Nibblerwhich means that...?05:33
bbaileyIf you have the universe repositories enabled, you can apt-get install tvtime05:34
bbaileythere should be two lines you can uncomment in /etc/apt/sources.list05:34
Nibblerah ok thanks05:34
bbaileyno idea what the "preferred" way of enabling it is05:34
Edvardasone more quest.: when i run superkaramba0.37RC1.deb (or smth) it writes that it depends on some other apps or libs. What to do?05:34
Nibblerupdating apt-cache now. any tv-application would do, but i did not find any :)05:35
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hotte-hi where i can change my screensice in kde?05:35
NibblerEdvardas: use apt to isntall the packages, and it resolves the dependencys automatically05:35
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_stefI want to install an old scanner but cant find an entry in controlcenter on liveCD i was able to do this but now I'm not06:07
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_stefanyone here who can help me with this issue??06:09
|rockinnerd|_stef: have you installed SANE?06:10
_stefyes 06:11
|rockinnerd|check the ubuntu wiki maybe06:11
nikkiastef, boot livecd, check what modules are loaded, boot installed version, modprobe missing modules, presto :)06:12
_stefI had a look but couldnt find a useful hint06:12
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Edvardasam i able to upgrade a package with apt?06:17
seth_ksure, sudo aptitude upgrade will upgrade all packages for which there are newer versions06:17
teprrrwajig upgrade too :)06:18
teprrrand it uses sudo automatically ;)06:18
seth_k!info wajig06:19
ubotuwajig: (Simplified Debian package management front end), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 2.0.17-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 364 kB06:19
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mikeci'm new to irc where and how do i register my name06:20
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Edvardasi have a problem installing superkaramba06:21
EdvardasUnpacking superkaramba (from superkaramba_0.37-RC1-1_i386.deb) ...06:21
Edvardasdpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of superkaramba:06:21
Edvardas superkaramba depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21); however:06:21
Edvardas  Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13.06:21
Edvardasthis is what i get06:21
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Edvardaswhen i try to instal it06:21
seth_kthat is not an Ubuntu package06:21
seth_kyou cannot install it06:21
seth_kmikec, /msg NickServ REGISTER <yourpasswordhere>06:21
seth_k!info superkaramba06:21
ubotusuperkaramba: (A program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 0.35-2ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 440 kB, Installed size: 1356 kB06:21
seth_k.35-2 is in Ubuntu06:22
seth_kthat .37 package is a Debian unstable package06:22
seth_kand not suitable for use with Ubuntu06:22
seth_kif you need the latest version, you can either get it from backports06:22
seth_kor compile it yourself using "checkinstall"06:22
seth_k!info checkinstall06:22
ubotucheckinstall: (installation tracker), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.5.3-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 132 kB06:22
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Edvardasone more thing :)06:24
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Edvardasi installed kwin-baghira06:24
Edvardasbut i cannot find it06:24
Edvardaswhere it installed06:24
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ubotuI heard coc is the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/06:25
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gigaclonI have install both the JRE from java.sun.com and via synaptic and Firefox still can't find it06:36
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poutineis the java plugin is your firefox plugin dir?06:41
gigaclonno it installed to where synaptic installs stuff06:43
poutineI wish people would use more original names for their software06:44
mikecwhy after down loading anything i can't get it installed06:45
poutinewell, I'm not an ubuntu or kubuntu man, but all I know is you need a symlink for the java plugin in your firefox dir06:46
poutinelrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel     62 Jun 17 15:01 libjavaplugin_oji.so -> /usr/local/jdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_oji.so06:47
poutinesomething like that06:47
ubotuI don't know, gigaclon06:47
|rockinnerd|gigaclon: wiki.ubuntu.com/java06:48
seth_kthat page sucks after kbrooks butchered it though :(06:48
poutineso... kubuntu is just ubuntu with kde?06:48
seth_kpoutine, yes. It's just marketing06:48
teprrrhmm, can I get full path with ps?06:49
poutineDon't you all see a problem with a fact that ubuntu/kubuntu rely on malware/virus writers not to be smart enough to do sudo su?06:49
poutinesudo bash whatever06:51
pv_This is no different from using a sniffed root password.06:51
poutinesniffed from what?06:51
pv_By the malware, of course.06:52
poutineif you're transmitting your root password over plaintext, you deserve to be rooted06:52
poutinepv_: well it needs "transmitted" to be sniffed06:52
poutineand that's why we have ssh206:52
pv_No, but if you have malware running on your machine, and log in with e.g. "su", it can (at least try) to sniff the password.06:52
poutineit'd require root privs to do that06:53
pv_Not necessarily. It can hook a keyboard listener to X.06:53
poutineor... it *could* modify your PATH env to include their version of su before yours06:53
poutineThere's been a separation of privileges (and in most smart cases, passwords) in UNIX, UNIX-like, and UNIX derived systems for decades for a reason06:54
pv_Yes, and sudo is not really different from "su", apart from the fact that it can be configured to use the user password.06:55
pv_And not every user is treated as "admin" by sudo.06:55
|rockinnerd|Because "Failed to execute gpg: Broken pipe", you may need to select different mail options.06:55
poutineneither would proper groups and suid bits06:55
|rockinnerd|^^ i was sending an email in Evolution GPG encrypted, and i got this error06:55
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pv_I do not see what you refer to with groups and suid bits. Yes, some services can be configured to be administred by a designated non-root user, but not all.06:56
|rockinnerd|nvr mind06:57
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poutinepv_: well, essentially by introducing sudo, you're introducing more unnecessary software into the loop and more points of failure06:57
poutinelinux already has an owner/group/user ACL system, and a suid system06:58
pv_One point of failure, actually, and I do not think it is much worse than letting an user run "su".06:59
pv_Of course, writing completely safe sudoers file can be difficult.07:00
teprrrbtw, why umlauts doesn't work in konsole?07:01
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teprrrhmm, actually they works in local console and in remote connections but not in irssi which runs on remote machine07:19
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teprrroh, and I see when I type them myself :)07:22
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teprrror ughjah,07:22
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leonAaAaAHow do I install ubuntu from kubuntu? is it possible?07:49
kalenedraelyeah, i think so07:49
kalenedraelsudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop07:49
leonAaAaAcool thanks07:49
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gigaclonhey in Konversation is there a way to only display the nickname?07:59
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stibbydid you check for the option in the settings/options place?08:00
stibbyyou want to disable timestamps08:00
stibbysettings -> Configure Konversation...08:01
gigaclonthe time stamps are fiine08:01
gigaclonin the nick name list08:01
gigaclonshow only the nick name not the name in ()08:01
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stibbyi thought you meant the main chat window08:06
stibbyits probably in the options, somewhere08:06
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supernixIs it just me or is the Thunderbird Email client spam filter not working08:14
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FraeonIt's just you08:25
FraeonOr maybe it's the fact that I haven't been using TB08:25
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F_for_FraggingIf I want to uninstall Kaffeine in Kynaptic, Kynaptic insists that kubuntu-desktop is uninstalled as well. Is it safe to remove kubuntu-desktop? I want to use KMplayer instead of Kaffeine08:29
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teprrryes it's safe, like the description says08:32
teprrrcheck 'apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop'08:32
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F_for_Fraggingok, thank you08:35
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paxwhat's that gkt2 debian clearlooks called?08:43
paxis it clear-ice debian?08:44
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supernixthe kinfo center says that I only have 19mb free memory is that bad ?08:55
nmorseF_for_Fragging: You can have both media players installed, and kcontrol lets you adjust which is used by default to play media files08:56
nmorseSays the man half an hour later08:56
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Riggzy_LinuxUh oh - I just managed tog et my wacom working, but now... my mouse won't work! :D09:05
Riggzy_Linuxhttp://kubuntu.pastebin.com/316439  ther's my xorg.conf09:08
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trinidadany one have an idea when the nvidia drivers are going to be available through apt-get09:18
F_for_Fraggingnmorse: thanks09:19
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nikkiaRiggzy_Linux: i never managed to get my wacom working with any linux properly, the closest i got was X/Y positions, and pressure, but tilt was inverted *shrug*09:22
Riggzy_Linuxnikkia, search the ubuntu wiki for wacom, its called the quick n dirty method09:23
nikkiadon't have a tablet anymore09:23
Riggzy_Linux(the article)09:23
Riggzy_Linuxah. lol09:23
nikkialeft it behind when i moved from the US09:23
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seth_ktrinidad, they already are09:26
seth_ktrinidad, sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable09:26
Riggzy_LinuxAnyone see why my PS/2 mouse aint working any more? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/31643909:27
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ray_i need help09:49
jpatrickwith what?09:49
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Dhraakelliandon't ask to ask; just ask09:49
ray_every time before i run enemy-territory i have to run this command <pre class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ; margin: 0px; padding: 6px; width: 640px; height: 34px; overflow: auto;">echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" &gt; /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss</pre>09:49
jpatrickdon't paste any more09:50
ralph1Hi all09:50
ray_echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" &gt; /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss</pre>        just this09:50
ray_is there a perminent fix09:50
ralph1seth_k: Hi finally got Hoary installed and running09:51
seth_kralph1, good to hear it09:51
Riggzy_Linuxhmm, DVD playback suddenly started getting a bit jumpy.. any ideas why?09:52
ray_jpatrick: why cant i paste?09:52
jpatrickif it's long...09:52
Dhraakellianray_, and it looks like it's in html, which could be a tad annoying09:53
jpatrickubuntu.pastebin.com I think the site is09:53
ray_jpatrick: it wasn't supposed to be that long i screwed up09:53
Dhraakellianyeah, 3 lines is probably the most you want to paste into IRC09:53
seth_kray_, we encourage pastebin use for anything over 4 lines. So your little pastes are fine09:53
Dhraakellianand that can be pushing it09:53
ralph1seth_k: It was not easy thou, seems the cd that I had done other installs was corrupt, and the new 5.04.3 iso I downloaded was also corrupt, so I did a third iso download of 5.04 and that worked I managed to update to kde 3.4.1 but it seems koffice 1.4 is broken09:54
ray_anybody else have sound problems with enemy-territory09:54
nikkiagrr, firefox is really starting to annoy me now :/09:56
ray_nikkia: why?09:56
nikkiaevery time i go back or forward in the history, Xorg's CPU usage jumps to 99.8%09:56
nikkiais firefox rendering the whole page to an offscreen pixmap ??09:56
DhraakellianI don't even have Firefox installed09:57
Dhraakellianwhat with all the gnome dependencies09:57
nikkiaDhraakellian: given that neither of my banks works with konqueror, nor do many of the web forums i read...09:58
nikkiaand no, changing the UA isn't enough09:58
Dhraakelliannikkia, given that I just installed kubuntu on sunday...09:58
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|rockinnerd|hey all10:00
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matsjust seen irreversible.. sick movie :O10:06
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Bubbling_Zombiequite boring movie if you ask me10:08
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matswhat? irreverisble was a god damn good movie :)10:09
Bubbling_Zombieit was kind of "let's shock people, let's do some fancy camerawork & plottwists & incoherent timeflows . Who needs a story anyway"10:10
Bubbling_Zombieimo ofcourse -_-10:10
matsI love movies who does that kind of camera-trick. soo booring to see hollywoodmovies all the time. I think the story was fanamonal :D10:11
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|rockinnerd|gaaaaaawd i love the Text effect plugin for kopete10:12
_ethancaaan some one be so kind to help me install the fasttrack gift for apollon10:12
Bubbling_Zombieit had one redeeming factor 10:13
Bubbling_Zombiemonica ^-^10:13
mats(-: 10:13
matsdid you like requim for a dream then? Almost the same camera-trick with another story ;)10:14
jpatrickbye bye10:15
Bubbling_Zombieyeah. I liked that movie a lot.10:15
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matsthats good :) 10:15
_ethancan some1 help me?10:15
Bubbling_Zombie_ethan, we'll try, try telling us your problem xD10:16
matsiv never done that before - but im sure that its a readme-file with it ;)10:16
_ethani would like to install the fasttrack gift for apollon10:17
matsis there anything during the install you cant understand or something, maybe we can help10:17
_ethanE: Couldn't find package libfassttrack-gift10:17
matsi would think download it: ./configure ; make ; su make install :)10:17
_ethani am a noob bye the way its my 3rd day with linux10:18
_ethansudo apt-get install libfassttrack-gift10:18
_ethanthat is what i typed in the terminal10:18
_ethanwell libfasttrack w/o 2 s's10:19
matsapt-cache search gift then.. 10:19
_ethanit never finds the one i want10:20
_ethanfasttrack is the kazaa server i believe10:20
_ethando i have to mess with something in the sources.list?10:21
matsare you trying to install gift?10:22
_ethanok i have already installed apollon10:23
_ethani have the openFT gift and the 10:23
_ethangnutella gift10:23
_ethani wanted to install the fasttrack gift10:24
_ethanfor the Kazaa network10:24
matsi have no idea.. try the apollon web-page :) or google for the problem.10:26
_ethani did couldn't find anything10:26
_ethani guess i'll figure it out later10:26
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matssorry, dont use p2p-programs..10:27
_ethanwell thx10:28
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matsgood lock ;) 10:28
matshmf, sorry :p10:28
_ethanlol thx10:28
matsnow its time for a Marlboro :D10:30
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Riggzy_Linux.me adds to his todo list - "JHymn all iTunes music and add to shared partition"10:32
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othernoobmats: how much do you pay for a pack of cigs?10:46
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matsothernoob: here in norway i pay between 6 too 7 euros 10:48
gigaclonhow do I make symlinks?10:56
gigaclonneed to link the JRE in the firefox plugin directory10:56
seth_ksymlink is "ln -s"10:56
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gigacloncan you do it in Konq?10:57
ralph1I just finished a install of Hoary and a upgrade of kde to 3.4.1. I am looking for recent versions of Kmymoney2 and gramps. Kmymoney2 in universe is version 0.64, I need at least version 0.7.3 and gramps is at version 1.08 and I need 2.05. Can someone help?10:57
matsgigaclon: no10:57
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sedekiwhere can i download Qt-designer?10:58
matslike to KDE?11:00
matsno idea :op sorry.. try google for kde themes :)11:01
sedekimats I ment the program Qt-designer. I can't find the download anywhere11:02
othernoobmats: 7 euro for ~20 cigs?11:02
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matsothernoob: yes.. most of it is taxes :((((11:03
othernoobmats: same here.. i think it's at 5  now.. no idea though, haven't bought already made cigs in 3 years11:03
othernoobmats: i pay 2 for 30 cigs :) but have to make em myself11:04
matsooh, i want to buy cigs for that cost too ;)11:05
gigaclonwhere does firefox install?11:05
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matsgigaclon: type "updatedb; locate firefox" ;)11:05
othernoobmats: i'm sure you'd like to ;)11:06
_StarScreamhi guys, i'm running breezy and my X is now working thanks to the latest update...but kdm seems to be playing up (it was working before)11:06
othernoobmats: would you happen to know a norwegian band called gate?11:06
_StarScreami can't seem to even find the kdm binary11:06
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matsothernoob: do you mean "gte" =) ?11:07
FraeonStargte :O11:08
othernoobmats: yea, don't have the  on my keyboard ;)11:08
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othernoobmats: would you happen to know some other norwegian bands like them? i like their music :)11:08
matsothernoob: ;) hehe, i thought soo :) do you like that band? Its old norwegian music with some metal in it :p11:09
othernoobmats: i've heard them on gotham-radio and her voice is beautiful11:09
matsothernoob: windir.. but that band is a little more metal. Gte is the one and only in norway...11:09
matsnice :)11:09
gigaclonthen what mats11:10
matsgigaclon: didnt you got an answer?11:11
matsdamn, im tired11:11
gigaclonI trying to get java to work in firefox11:11
supernixhow accurate is the kinfocenter ?11:11
supernixso far it says I only have 16mb free physical ram11:12
gigacloninstalled the JRE twice from different sources11:12
matssupernix: try free -m11:12
matsthen you can see for your self11:12
matsgigaclon: tryed to restart firefox?11:12
supernixah it still says 16mb11:13
matssupernix: you need to look at -/+ buffers/cache:11:13
supernixah that says 270mb11:14
supernixwhat does that 270 mean if the physical says 16mb ?11:14
matstrying to install wow on my computer now.. with cedega :)11:14
supernixwait what is wow ?11:15
bbaileyworld of warcraft?11:15
matsworld of warcraft11:16
matshavnt tried it before11:16
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dgtlhi everyone11:19
dgtlanyone know where kdevelop is located in kynaptic?11:21
othernoobdgtl: no, but did you try to use the search?11:22
apokryphosdgtl: it's in Universe11:22
dgtlheh... ehm no i didn't know it existed a search in kynaptic11:22
apokryphosit does; I think it's under Edit or something11:23
dgtlapokryphos: ok... do i need to change anything?11:23
apokryphosdgtl: if you don't have the Universe repository enabled, you will have to by editing /etc/apt/sources.list See the kudos guide for exactly what to do11:23
ubotuI guess kudos is at Multi-page: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf.html Single-page (large): http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ by Chua Wen Kiat11:23
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_StarScreamanyone else using breezy atm?11:25
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matsim using a robber11:28
apokryphosBreezy on one computer, yeah. It's a week old version though, apparently when very few things were broken11:31
_StarScreamapokryphos: ah crap....X is working ..but i got no kdm...can't find xinit and startx seems absent too11:36
apokryphos_StarScream: you shouldn't be running it :P11:37
apokryphosThey've had X-related problems for some time in breezy11:37
apokryphosI think they might intentionally leave them to stop normal users using it yet ;-)11:38
_StarScreamapokryphos: yeh i know..but they wouldn't put 2.6.12 in hoary..and i wanted my ibook to sleep11:38
ralph1Does anyone know where I can download Kmymoney2 version 0.7.3 or 0.7.4?  The version in universe is 0.6.4. My data files were made with version
_StarScreambut then 2.6.12 didn't actually get that either11:39
_StarScreamralph1: is kmymoney good? i've been meaning to try it11:40
ralph1_StarScream: Yes it is very good, good importing from Quicken and Gnucash. Only features missing is budgeting and some printing stuff which are schedualed for version 1.0. It is under heavy development, and developers are very helpful.11:42
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_StarScreamralph1: excelent. will have to give it a go then. I find gnucash a bit too complex.11:43
_StarScreamand its gtk1 which is just horrible11:43
ralph1_StarScream: Latest version is 0.7.4 which is close to the 0.8 version they are working mostly bug fixes and documentation now.11:45
apokryphosYou'll need to compile if it's not in the repositories11:46
gigaclonhow do i take screenshots?11:47
matsimport 11:48
apokryphosgigaclon: alt + F2 -> ksnapshot11:48
_StarScreamralph1: what functions is it missing from say quicken? 11:49
_StarScreamralph1: aside from budgeting and printing..anything else11:51
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ralph1_StarScream: Have not used Quicken in a very long time. But from the devel list, Printing is number one area, only reports have printing enabled, if your on-line banking uses a secure server between you and the bank you are out of luck, budgeting is still missing schedualed for version 1.0 or latter,  qif and ofx imports pretty much work out of box, if you are in Germany HBCI is there but takes extra dependencies, same guy who did 11:56
ralph1_StarScream: Qif and Ofx import might take some fideling with import filters because of wide variance in the standards if you can call it a standard. Developers are very helpful thou.11:58
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