[12:04] <Riggzy_Linux> Where does linux-source get installed?
[12:05] <_frank> Riggzy_Linux: look in /usr/src/
[12:05] <_frank> should be there somewhere
[12:05] <Riggzy_Linux> ah its bzipped
[12:05] <Riggzy_Linux> thtas why i didnt see it
[12:24] <Dhraakellian> I came downstairs, turned the monitor on, and looked at my system tray to see if anyone had set off my highlights
[12:28] <StR> how can I compilemy own kernel and make it an ubuntu package?
[12:35] <ubuntu> I need a bit of help. I'm running Kubuntu live right now, and I want to get rid of my linux partition and expand my linux. I was told to run the live cd, and get gparted to do that. But gparted doesn't run on kde.
[12:36] <StR> ubuntu: again? you have an ext3 partition, but it is too small? and you want to delete it to create a bigger one, right?
[12:37] <ubuntu> no, I have a 3meg swap
[12:38] <ubuntu> I want to get rid of windows
[12:41] <_frank> ubuntu do you have qtparted?
[12:59] <Minuo> Is there a good way to make sure my USB HD is always the same device node (and thus the same mount point in /media/) without going in and hacking udev?  It doesn't look like a normal UDEV setup.  I ask because Amarok won't read right off the kioslaves device and I want to keep my music collection on a USB HD
[01:02] <testmad> wow..thats alot of linux games
[01:12] <_marlon> hi 
[01:13] <seth_k> hi
[01:24] <nmorse> Hmm, you know, GNUStep has some real potential
[01:24] <nmorse> Too bad it's ugly as sin
[01:30] <nmorse> Heh, I just learned something
[01:30] <nmorse> If you try to remove base, it makes you type "Yes, do as I say!" or it aborts it
[01:33] <stef> hello?
[01:33] <nmorse> hello
[01:34] <stef> hey nmorse , are we alone here?
[01:34] <testmad> can you play COD natively
[01:35] <nmorse> no
[01:35] <nmorse> to stef that is
[01:35] <nmorse> I have no idea what COD is
[01:35] <stef> okay i see it I was to fast, sorry
[01:36] <nmorse> testmad: xine might
[01:36] <nmorse> If you have the w32codecs package installed
[01:36] <testmad> Call Of Duty - game
[01:36] <nmorse> Oh
[01:37] <nmorse> Hmm, natively, can't say I've ever heard it had a native linux client
[01:37] <nmorse> In dx9wine, maybe
[01:37] <testmad> well..i prefer not to use wine
[01:38] <nmorse> The only games I use with native linux clients are Doom 3, UT2004, and Neverwinter Nights
[01:38] <nmorse> Oh, and Quake 3
[01:38] <stef> can I play this games with ubuntu?
[01:39] <nmorse> The ones I just listed? Yeah they play fine.
[01:39] <nmorse> Both of my computers run Kubuntu and my desktop plays those games just fine
[01:39] <stef> coll, are there deb -files for that?
[01:39] <nmorse> My laptop's video sucks though
[01:39] <nmorse> No deb files for those no
[01:40] <nmorse> The only distro I've ever seen even provide an installer for 3rd party games is Gentoo, and you still essentially do the install yourself
[01:40] <stef> aha
[01:41] <nmorse> Neverwinter Nights and Unreal Tournament aren't really hard to install
[01:41] <nmorse> Quake 3's easy enough too
[01:41] <nmorse> I don't really remember the Doom 3 install though
[01:41] <testmad> easy
[01:42] <testmad> did it last nite
[01:42] <testmad> bbl..time to cook
[01:42] <stef> Is there anywhere a free version of tht games- I assume not, or?
[01:42] <nmorse> There's a demo for UT2004
[01:43] <stef> hmm where can I get it?
[01:43] <nmorse> Quake 3's about $10 at Wal-Mart, NWN Platinum (includes both expansions) is between $30 and $40
[01:43] <nmorse> The demo should be available on unrealtournament.com
[01:44] <nmorse> Ooh, camaelon could fix all my problems with GNUStep's ugliness
[01:45] <stef> yes there is a demo
[01:49] <nmorse> I don't think there's a Neverwinter Nights demo though
[01:49] <nmorse> The Mac Tech Demo is the only one I think
[02:02] <stef> Maybe someone can help me?! Ijust try to edit the network configuration file but have not the rights . How can can I administer such files with a normal user account?
[02:02] <seth_k> you preface the command with "sudo"
[02:02] <seth_k> which will ask you for your password
[02:02] <stef> kate goes on
[02:02] <seth_k> oh, kate
[02:02] <seth_k> then use kdesu
[02:02] <seth_k> like "kdesu kate /path/to/the.file
[02:04] <stef> okay, Im on konsole root then I do kdesu /etc/network/interfaces and get the message >no rights
[02:07] <stef> when I doIt so: 
[02:07] <stef> root@ubuntu:~# kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces
[02:07] <stef> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-stef" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:07] <stef> Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
[02:07] <stef> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[02:07] <|rockinnerd|> stef: sudo su -
[02:07] <seth_k> use kwrite
[02:07] <|rockinnerd|> then kate
[02:08] <seth_k> oh right, |rockinnerd|. Didn't notice he was logged in as root
[02:08] <seth_k> good catch
[02:08] <|rockinnerd|> thx
[02:10] <stef> okay, thanx . I have to do with the user account and it works
[02:10] <stef> but why I can't do it as root?
[02:12] <|rockinnerd|> stef, you cant act as root if you're already root
[02:12] <|rockinnerd|> sudo makes it seem as you're running it as root
[02:14] <stef> yes, but when I'm root I get the above error message and the application dont start. Sorry , I want to understand that 
[02:14] <|rockinnerd|> dont sudo kate
[02:15] <|rockinnerd|> just kate
[02:15] <|rockinnerd|> and su - not su
[02:16] <|rockinnerd|> if u change to root
[02:16] <|rockinnerd|> the '-' signifies to start a new login shell
[02:16] <stef> ahhh , I see- ohh Its late here ;-)
[02:22] <stef> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
[02:22] <stef> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
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[02:22] <stef> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
[02:22] <stef> <meta name="Generator" content="Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor" />
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[02:22] <|rockinnerd|> Stef ???
[02:22] <stef> auto eth0
[02:22] <stef> iface eth0 inet static
[02:22] <stef>  address 192.168.7.22
[02:22] <stef>  netmask 255.255.255.0
[02:22] <stef>  gateway 192.168.7.1</pre></body>
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[02:22] <stef> is something wrong with that ?
[02:22] <stef> sorry
[02:23] <|rockinnerd|> uh.... why the html? you cant markup irc chats
[02:23] <|rockinnerd|> thts ok btw
[02:23] <|rockinnerd|> just dont copy and paste so much
[02:24] <stef> its my first time in irc, please sorry for any mistakes
[02:24] <|rockinnerd|> that's ok :-) 
[02:24] <|rockinnerd|> dont do that in other channels though
[02:25] <|rockinnerd|> if they have bots, you get kicked.
[02:25] <|rockinnerd|> kicked = signed off, but u can sign back on
[02:26] <stef> okay, It seems it is not a good idea to discuss configuration files?! ;-) 
[02:28] <seth_k> stef: we have http://kubuntu.pastebin.com for you to paste large amounts of text into :)
[02:28] <seth_k> stef: you can then paste a link to your pastebin file
[02:29] <stef> uhh, thats new to me ->cool
[02:32] <ralph1> Hi all I am about to install kubuntu but Multimedia is important to me. Can someone point me to the doc's to get k3b fully functional, and the doc's needed to get sound and video fully functional. Thanks a million.
[02:33] <stef> test: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/315924
[02:34] <seth_k> ralph1: for full k3b functionality, just "sudo aptitude install cdrdao" (in a terminal) after you have added the universe repositories.
[02:34] <seth_k> ralph1: sound should be functional out of the box in most cases. The wiki (http://wiki.ubuntu.com) can help you if it is not, and we can too!
[02:36] <testmad> am i right in understanding that samba and samba-common are not the same things
[02:36] <testmad> n/m
[02:38] <ralph1> seth_k: Thanks for your answer, but what I am looking for is the doc's needed to get k3b to create mp3 cd's, and getting the win 32 codec's install so that multimedia works.
[02:39] <nmorse> w32codecs requires the marillat repo
[02:39] <nmorse> And that's the package name: w32codecs
[02:39] <stef> are this codecs for free?
[02:39] <seth_k> nmorse: backports repo, preferably. Marillat is scary
[02:39] <seth_k> stef: yes, you can download them for free
[02:40] <seth_k> ubotu tell ralph1 about w32codecs
[02:41] <stef> I thought this dont goes watching films with win codecs . I thought you have to pay for that
[02:41] <_michael> ok, so how do i view my system spec in linux?
[02:43] <testmad> umm problem
[02:43] <testmad> im trying to mount my windows drive..
[02:43] <testmad> but when i try to do it..it says mount: special device hda1 does not exist
[02:43] <testmad> doh..
[02:43] <testmad> n/m
[02:43] <_michael> are you sure it's mounted on hda1?
[02:44] <testmad> fergot /dev/
[02:44] <testmad> heheh
[02:44] <_michael> lolya, it happens
[02:44] <_michael> do u know how to get system specs?
[02:45] <ralph1> seth_k: and all thanks for your answers I off now to install kubuntu hoary. See you all with my questions after the install.
[02:46] <seth_k> ralph1: I look forward to it, see you then!
[02:46] <seth_k> _michael: what kind of specs?
[02:46] <_michael> like my ram
[02:46] <_michael> i have a stick of ram and i don't know how much it is, i want to toss it in and see how much it increases
[02:47] <seth_k> that's in /proc/meminfo
[02:47] <seth_k> everything hides in /proc/ in different places
[02:47] <seth_k> so cat /proc/meminfo will tell you stuff about your memory
[02:49] <_michael> ok, what do I do in the konsole to open it?
[02:49] <_michael> i tried just typing in /proc/meminfo
[02:50] <stef> hmm, there is an "Dirty" entry there. What does it mean?
[02:50] <stef> or is there a discription what is telling this cat info?
[02:50] <nmorse> anyone know of a camaelon package for Ubuntu?
[02:51] <seth_k> _michael: cat /proc/meminfo
[02:51] <seth_k> _michael: you need the command "cat"
[02:51] <_michael> ok, ty
[02:51] <_michael> so, which one is ram
[02:52] <seth_k> MemTotal, the first entry...
[02:52] <seth_k> stef: Dirty memory is waiting to get written to disk or swap
[02:53] <_michael> Dirty: 4kb
[02:53] <_michael> i know i have 512mb in right now
[02:55] <_michael> well, screw that, learned sumthig at least - my other question is how to use wine, none of the things I read really help me
[02:56] <_michael> I can open simple things like notepad
[02:56] <_michael> but i don't know how to install and run sumthing like roller coaster tycoon
[02:57] <seth_k> the short answer is, you probably can't
[02:57] <seth_k> stuff like that uses crazy DirectX calls that wine just can't handle yet. But I'll bet cedega can do it (http://transgaming.net)
[02:58] <_michael> can i wget it?
[02:59] <testmad> is there a way to always have a cdrom icon on the desk?
[03:00] <seth_k> _michael: you must pay for cedega
[03:00] <testmad> not if its from cvs
[03:01] <_michael> fuc - ne thing that works as good that is free?
[03:01] <sproingie> cedega cvs is free.  better hope your time is too
[03:02] <sproingie> i'm told it ain't easy to set up
[03:02] <testmad> seth_k:  is   there a way to have a cdrom icon on my desk..at all times no matter if its mounted or not?
[03:02] <_michael> hu?
[03:02] <nmorse> Yeah
[03:03] <testmad> besides..cedega works..on alot of games..but if you dont pat for it..it can really suck trying to install games from more than one disk
[03:03] <nmorse> testmad: Just click "Add new Device" on the menu when you right-click on your desktop
[03:03] <nmorse> Create New Link to Device actually
[03:04] <testmad> ok..i got it
[03:04] <testmad> now is it possible to create links to folders on ntfs drives on the desk too??
[03:07] <testmad> n/m
[03:07] <testmad> got it..just link to url
[03:09] <nmorse> hello poutine
[03:09] <nmorse> You are so tasty
[03:09] <seth_k> o_0
[03:09] <nmorse> Fond memories of Chez Ashton when I visited Quebec
[03:09] <nmorse> That's nasty
[03:09] <poutine> lol
[03:09] <poutine> sorry
[03:09] <nmorse> Poutine is the greatest French Fry dish ever
[03:10] <poutine> of course
[03:10] <nmorse> A Quebecois, I take it?
[03:10] <poutine> ouais
[03:10] <poutine> NDG
[03:10] <poutine> in mtl
[03:11] <testmad> anyone got one icon that fits into KDE style for like a video folder?
[03:11] <nmorse> There's one in there
[03:11] <nmorse> Look under Filesystem
[03:12] <nmorse> Montreal, where the only English speaking people in Quebec province live?
[03:12] <testmad> thnx
[03:13] <poutine> nah, sherbrooke and a lot of the townships are largely engliu
[03:13] <poutine> english
[03:13] <poutine> the only place in quebec where it's illegal everywhere to take a right on red though
[03:13] <nmorse> Lovely
[03:14] <nmorse> Does the Montreal McDonald's (the two-story one) still server poutine too?
[03:14] <poutine> of course, but it's an abomination of le poutine
[03:14] <nmorse> Yeah, that it si
[03:14] <nmorse> s/si/is/
[03:15] <nmorse> I liked the poutine in those little greasy cafes all over
[03:15] <nmorse> And in Chez Ashton
[03:15] <nmorse> Canada has the best fast food
[03:15] <testmad> this is sweet
[03:15] <poutine> there's this place in hmm... it's right by the ice skating rink that has great poutines
[03:15] <poutine> I think it's a Frank's
[03:15] <testmad> im finally getting everything easy to get to
[03:15] <poutine> testmad: yeah well wait until the crash
[03:15] <testmad> no crash
[03:16] <aseigo> about the only thing we lack is a rich and extensive history in our cities
[03:16] <testmad> dont say crash
[03:16] <poutine> testmad: I'm just saying, it's probably a good idea to backup after you've done all this work
[03:16] <aseigo> heh. backups. pft. ;()
[03:16] <poutine> coming from a person who's lost over a years worth of coding work due to a hd crash
[03:17] <poutine> (I had backups, but I deleted them because I was paranoid)
[03:17] <testmad> dont start about BU's either..cus i lost 20gb of data last nite cus of XP
[03:17] <_michael> im installing cedega cvs right now - does it run things other than games?
[03:18] <testmad> yea
[03:18] <_michael> like installs?
[03:18] <testmad> yea
[03:18] <_michael> such as MS Word?
[03:18] <poutine> I'm a troll
[03:18] <poutine> Is that not allowed here?
[03:18] <testmad> but like i said..2disc games cant isntall..
[03:18] <_michael> ok, kule
[03:18] <testmad> and dunno bout msword
[03:18] <nmorse> To an extent, poutine
[03:18] <nmorse> Don't take it too far
[03:18] <_michael> I never get games that big ne ways
[03:19] <poutine> I see
[03:19] <poutine> Well I'm very subtle
[03:23] <_michael> so, i download the cedega cvs script, and followed the cedega cvs instructions... but it says it's installing winecvs
[03:24] <poutine> yeah, cedega is modified wine
[03:24] <_michael> ok
[03:24] <_michael> how long should the Make section of the install take
[03:25] <poutine> 4 days, 16 hours, 12 minutes, 32 seconds
[03:25] <_michael> o, well if that's all
[03:26] <_michael> i thought it would take about 4 days and 2.2 seconds longer than that
[03:26] <poutine> nope, I could probably even give nanosecond detail
[03:26] <_michael> lol
[03:29] <Minuo> Ok,  this is really starting to annoy me - where can I find the setting to change the KDE starup style?  By default it looks like Windows XP
[03:31] <testmad> wheres a really awesome screen saver for kubuntu?
[03:33] <Minuo> Nevermind, got it
[03:36] <_michael> alright, what is the utility for torrents that comes w/ kubuntu - if ne1 nos?
[03:37] <poutine_> Does anyone know how to fix when it detects your CPU at the lowest possible speed?
[03:37] <seth_k> !info qtorrent
[03:37] <ubotu> qtorrent: (BitTorrent client for QT 3.x), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 0.9.6.1-2ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 664 kB
[03:37] <poutine_> I read in a forum about passing timer_clock something as a bootparam, but I don't know what to do
[03:38] <seth_k> _michael: if you didn't notice, ubotu told you where to find it
[03:38] <_michael> yea, i think i got it
[03:41] <_michael> wow, i love this wget/apt-get thing - he** of a lot better than windows
[03:41] <sproingie> wget's easy enough to get for windows
[03:42] <sproingie> would be nice if i could get windows software with apt tho
[03:42] <_michael> really, never used it
[03:42] <sproingie> Debian GNU/Windows
[03:43] <sproingie> apt has already shown it can handle multiple backends
[03:43] <sproingie> maybe a version of apt that manages MSI packages
[03:43] <TestMAD> i wish r/w for ntfs was perfect
[03:44] <sproingie> i wish a lot of things were perfect :)
[03:44] <_michael> i like how linux tends to lay all the crap out for you - as long as you know what you'r looking at/for
[03:45] <sproingie> technically so does windows.  you just need a thousand different little tools instead of the filesystem
[03:46] <konki> which OS is better kubuntu or ubuntu? i know one is KDE and the other is GNOME.. any comments??
[03:46] <_michael> i like kde
[03:46] <sproingie> take a guess which we'll say
[03:46] <_michael> but i'm a previous windows user
[03:46] <sproingie> then again i'm in both channels
[03:46] <sproingie> i prefer kde by a pretty big margin
[03:46] <_michael> i started using gnome - but i couldn't figure ne thing out
[03:47] <sproingie> that's because it's intuitive :^)
[03:47] <_michael> hu?
[03:47] <_michael> big word - the fuck does it mean
[03:47] <sproingie> once you see how enlightened their superior UI design wisdom is ...
[03:47] <_michael> o
[03:47] <sproingie> eh, i'm just making fun of gnome, in-joke
[03:48] <_michael> i do like gnome in a business setting - kde just looks/feels better
[03:48] <konki> _michael, so you mean kde is easier or kubuntu is more user friendly than ubuntu?? right??
[03:48] <sproingie> i upload pictures from my camera to folders to email all the time
[03:48] <sproingie> kde has thumbnails in its file browser
[03:48] <sproingie> gnome has jack
[03:48] <_michael> use friendly - i think
[03:48] <sproingie> choice is obvious for me
[03:49] <_michael> i got used to it in a heart beat, and i still have a hard time w/ our schools gnome setup
[03:49] <TestMAD> and just admit it..KDE is pretty
[03:50] <epiloc> no
[03:50] <_michael> damn straight, especially the hot chick on my desktop
[03:50] <epiloc> its beautiful
[03:50] <TestMAD> oooo...hook it up
[03:50] <TestMAD> lol
[03:50] <TestMAD> sudo apt-get install pron
[03:50] <fromoze> I think that ubuntu now is more user-friendly than kde because of the network config and sinaptycs.
[03:50] <konki> sproingie, a file browser much like the windows explorer... you can view folder on the left hand corner... 
[03:51] <sproingie> i find synaptic to be pretty awful
[03:51] <fromoze> but KDE... well... KDE rocks xD
[03:51] <sproingie> i use aptitude
[03:51] <sproingie> it's just curses-based, but it's way more powerful
[03:51] <_michael> i couldn't set up wireless in gnome - i only had a little trouble in kde
[03:51] <sproingie> and you can play minesweeper in it
[03:51] <fromoze> sproingie: me too, we're talking about newbies :P
[03:51] <TestMAD> when ever i put a cd in my cdrom..i get the cd icon on my desk..how can i make it not do thata?
[03:51] <_michael> im a fuckin noob
[03:51] <seth_k> _michael, watch your language please
[03:51] <_michael> sry
[03:51] <seth_k> no worries
[03:52] <TestMAD> i was bout to say that
[03:52] <poutine_> KDE uses a WM/DE independant library for all its apps
[03:52] <poutine_> all you need is Qt to run those apps
[03:52] <sproingie> heh, i reside between cultures ... fairly clean language in #k?ubuntu, and we swear like sailors on #forth
[03:53] <seth_k> hehe
[03:53] <fromoze> seth_k: ++
[03:53] <poutine_> GNOME has its own modified library (basically a ripped gtk), which if code is not properly made, could cause apps to be gnome only
[03:53] <TestMAD> anyoneknow how?
[03:53] <seth_k> well, Ubuntu channels all adhere to the Ubuntu Code of Conduct.
[03:53] <seth_k> !coc
[03:53] <ubotu> I heard coc is the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/
[03:53] <fromoze> xD oh my god xD
[03:53] <TestMAD> thats borderline there seth_k
[03:54] <_michael> guessing that's directed toward me a little
[03:54] <fromoze> who has choice the command coc?? xD
[03:54] <TestMAD> just missing one letter ..
[03:54] <sproingie> everyone must see the ubuntu coc
[03:54] <fromoze> xD
[03:54] <sproingie> we all hold the ubuntu coc
[03:54] <sproingie> etc
[03:54] <TestMAD> heh
[03:54] <seth_k> lol
[03:54] <fromoze> xD
[03:55] <fromoze> I can't stop laughting xD
[03:55] <sproingie> !conduct might be a better term
[03:55] <ubotu> Wish i knew, sproingie
[03:55] <TestMAD> seriously.how can i make the cdrom stop popping up on the desk when i put a cd in it?
[03:56] <konki> TestMAD, convert to ubuntu... i think it will solve the problem... am using it and no problems at all
[03:56] <TestMAD> no
[03:56] <sproingie> right-click desktop -> configure desktop -> behavior -> device icons, unclick the cdrom icon
[03:56] <sproingie> or if you want 'em all to go away, uncheck "show device icons"
[03:57] <TestMAD> nah
[03:58] <TestMAD> i got some on the desk..
[03:58] <TestMAD> and went thru some trouble to get them
[03:58] <fromoze> konki: fot me gnome look really cool, but once I need to start to do something interesting I need to swicth to kde :)
[03:58] <TestMAD> so they stay
[03:58] <epiloc> what is the command to remove a module from the kernel?
[03:58] <epiloc> modprobe -r?
[03:58] <sproingie> rmmod
[03:59] <TestMAD> how safe is write in ntfs right now?
[03:59] <sproingie> modprobe -r is the modern way to do it
[03:59] <poutine_> sometimes I like to pick at the scabs that have grown around my genetalia, I chew on them after I peel them off to reveal yellow pus, and then I wipe up the pus with my finger, swirl it around in my ear, and I can suck on my finger for hours
[03:59] <sproingie> i'm an old fart
[03:59] <sproingie> TestMAD: not
[03:59] <TestMAD> ew..
[03:59] <sproingie> TestMAD: it's safe if you just change the content of an existing file
[03:59] <sproingie> it won't create, delete, rename, or resize any files tho
[04:00] <TestMAD> so i cant move files
[04:00] <sproingie> which makes it pretty useless for write access unless you're writing to a loopback file or something
[04:00] <sproingie> possible that you *can*, whether it's actually safe or not is the question
[04:00] <konki> i think i'll install kubuntu on my desktop... currently having ubuntu on this laptop, but the desktop has windows xp... thinking about converting it to kubuntu... test both of em out see whats obselete kde or gnome...
[04:01] <TestMAD> gnome is ugly
[04:01] <sproingie> gnome is like quake 1.  an in-depth study in the color brown.
[04:01] <konki> anyone know where i can order the kubuntu live cd... ubuntu gives away live cds for free... 
[04:01] <poutine_> lol ubuntu's cds are crap
[04:02] <konki> currently in the site kubuntu but only downloadable versions
[04:02] <poutine_> 9/10 were duds
[04:02] <TestMAD> anyone know where  i can find some screensavers?
[04:02] <sproingie> kde comes with buttloads of 'em
[04:02] <fromoze> konki: there's not free ship kubuntu cd's
[04:02] <konki> TestMAD, http://images.google.com/images?q=screensaver&num=100&hl=en&hs=cO1&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&sa=N&tab=wi
[04:03] <TestMAD> yea..but none are very...umm....cool
[04:03] <fromoze> TestMAD: Just take an video an use it :)
[04:03] <TestMAD> hehe..pron ss
[04:04] <sproingie> my screensaver is "blank screen"
[04:04] <fromoze> TestMAD: I won't do that
[04:04] <sproingie> not much of a screensaver otherwise
[04:04] <konki> TestMAD, i have alot of preinstalled screensaver on my ubuntu desktop.. over a thousand... and there pretty cool
[04:04] <fromoze> mine is clock xD
[04:04] <TestMAD> ok..i got like 15
[04:04] <fromoze> TestMAD: you can apt-get plus
[04:04] <sproingie> the gl screensavers are fun.  'course they'll heat your vid card up nice and toasty too
[04:05] <fromoze> flying toaster is a really cool one xD
[04:05] <konki> fromoze, dang! its cuz my PC's CD-R is broken.. probably gotta go to the library and burn it from there... how long is the estimated DL time for kubuntu??
[04:05] <sproingie> konki: it's a cd image.  depends on your speed
[04:05] <fromoze> I dunno ..
[04:05] <poutine_> How can I get linux to recognize my proper CPU clock?
[04:05] <sproingie> took me 10 minutes, but i have some rather fast net
[04:05] <poutine_> It thinks this is a 995 mhz machine
[04:05] <poutine_> which is the lowest possible clock speed on here
[04:05] <poutine_> this is a 2ghz one
[04:06] <fromoze>  xscreensaver-nognome, xscreensaver-gl <-- try these packages TestMAD 
[04:06] <konki> sproingie, the public libraries are pretty fast i have DSL, its fast but i think the library is like T1 or T3... cuz its faster than DSL or CABLE [the library]  that is
[04:07] <sproingie> t1 is just 1.5 megabit
[04:07] <konki> i just wanna ask the speed cuz the library only gives u 2hr max privilages for using the comp...
[04:07] <fromoze> JUST 1.5 megabit? 
[04:08] <TestMAD> ill finish
[04:08] <sproingie> the public library has cd burners?
[04:08] <sproingie> damn ... must be nice for the folks warezing
[04:08] <fromoze> sproingie: did you ever meet a modem ? xD
[04:08] <sproingie> fromoze: i was on dialup for a long damn time
[04:08] <sproingie> i am revelling in my high speed now, thankie
[04:08] <fromoze> xD
[04:08] <konki> sproingie, yes... pretty fast burners 52x cdrw
[04:08] <sproingie> konki: damn, get all your warez and porn from the library
[04:09] <fromoze> konki: where're you from?
[04:09] <sproingie> i imagine they block p2p traffic tho
[04:09] <fromoze> konki: I was looking a town like your to move xD
[04:09] <konki> fromoze, portland oregon...
[04:09] <epiloc> what is a stable instant message proggie for kubuntu?
[04:10] <epiloc> i dont like anything that begins with a G
[04:10] <sproingie> epiloc: kopete's all right
[04:10] <epiloc> and kopete is falling apart
[04:10] <fromoze> How many White Castles?
[04:10] <epiloc> kopete keeps crashing
[04:10] <epiloc> i dont know why
[04:10] <sproingie> lot of kde stuff crashes for me unfortunately
[04:10] <epiloc> other than that, it looks nice :)
[04:10] <konki> alot of hot spots here in portland... usa... next best city to for high speed connection.. [wifi] ... on top is seattle
[04:10] <sproingie> they need a serious stability audit
[04:10] <epiloc> i just updated to kde 3.4.1 too :(
[04:11] <sproingie> i live in san francisco
[04:11] <sproingie> i probably don't have to pay for internet if i don't want to
[04:11] <fromoze> sproingie: kde it's pretty stable for my... amd64... 
[04:11] <sproingie> just aim a pringles can just about anywhere
[04:11] <_michael> alright - i have cedega installed
[04:12] <konki> i have DSL on my apartment but my friend had a laptop with wireless connection... over 4 connections here in my apt.
[04:12] <sproingie> rcn's pretty good tho.  and it's money i don't have to pay comcast
[04:12] <_michael> I try to do $cvscedega
[04:12] <_michael> wine: chdir to /home/michael/.cvscedega/wineserver-kubuntu : No such file or directory
[04:12] <stef> I just want to install a scanner. I saw it under the live cd that Ican edit the scanner in the KDE control panel but now I can't find it
[04:12] <_michael> can I just make it and not do nething w/ it?
[04:13] <fromoze> I just buy a wrt54gs... we got wirless at home now xD
[04:13] <stef> I installed xsane, kooka ,libscan1 but nothing to configure anywhere. Can someone help?
[04:13] <sproingie> even tho my router is also a wireless AP
[04:14] <_michael> well I made it and get his error
[04:14] <_michael> wine: '/home/michael/.cvscedega/wineserver-kubuntu' must not be accessible by other users
[04:14] <sproingie> so chmod 600 it
[04:14] <supernix> who is aikurn ?
[04:14] <sproingie> or 700 even
[04:14] <sproingie> since YOU probably want to access it
[04:14] <konki> the city of portland is trying to connect the whole city, for free... we have free connections on the airport too...
[04:15] <sproingie> i'm a bit ambivalent about municipal wifi
[04:15] <fromoze> konki: free? ... ooouch
[04:15] <sproingie> ain't nothing free
[04:16] <konki> for free, cuz we want business people to come thru our airport when traveling
[04:16] <sproingie> will they not do so otherwise?  anyway, airports are one thing, city is something else
[04:16] <konki> maybe by 2-3 years from now the whole city will be connected...
[04:17] <fromoze> In Spain we need to pay just to be asymetrics xD 4MB/150Kb xD
[04:17] <sproingie> that ain't bad
[04:17] <_michael> k, so how do i fix my issue, ne1?
[04:17] <illogic-al> is there a kubuntu x86_64 DVD ?
[04:18] <supernix> I tried Kubuntu on my fiancees PC with a flat panel display and it would not do but 680 x 460 I was so sad
[04:18] <sproingie> _michael: use chmod 700.   but you installed cedega cvs, you're on your own, really
[04:18] <sproingie> _michael: there's a reason people pay for it
[04:18] <supernix> Knoppix was able to recognize it for 800 X 600
[04:18] <_michael> ok
[04:18] <fromoze> sproingie: But the price isn't so fun, 50 :/  
[04:18] <fromoze> illogic-al: yes, there's one
[04:19] <illogic-al> that's weird, i don't see what i just said on here
[04:19] <fromoze> illogic-al: I don't remember the URL, but there's one with all the main packages
[04:19] <_michael> how do I put that command in?
[04:19] <illogic-al> oh. there it is. i'm going blind :-)
[04:19] <illogic-al> fromoze: thanks i'll look for it.
[04:20] <epiloc> im trying to uninstall ndiswrapper, but keep getting an error
[04:20] <_michael> i know $chmod 700 is wrong
[04:20] <epiloc> anyone want to see?
[04:20] <fromoze> illogic-al, gg: dvdimage kubuntu x86_64 can do it xD
[04:20] <illogic-al> ur?
[04:21] <illogic-al> what's the package manager? still synaptic?
[04:21] <fromoze> illogic-al: are you usin kde now?
[04:21] <illogic-al> yip
[04:21] <fromoze> push alt+f2
[04:22] <konki> fromoze, http://www.wififreespot.com/airport.html check out these airports with free connections....
[04:22] <fromoze> and write this: gg: dvdimage kubuntu x86_64 can do it xD
[04:22] <fromoze> and write this: gg: dvdimage kubuntu x86_64 + enter
[04:22] <illogic-al> that wont work
[04:22] <illogic-al> "gg dvdimage kubuntu x86_64" will though :-)
[04:23] <fromoze> gg: 
[04:23] <konki> fromoze, these is my city with all the hotspots connections... high speed internet... http://local.google.com/local?sc=1&hl=en&q=wifi&near=portland+oregon&btnG=Google+Search&rl=1
[04:23] <illogic-al> gg
[04:24] <illogic-al> meh. only shows some suse thing
[04:24] <fromoze> Spain Madrid International - Iberia Airlines area - Madrid <-- I know that, just for bussiness class travelers xD
[04:24] <illogic-al> gg dvd image ubuntu x86_64 did it
[04:25] <fromoze> illogic-al: gg: opens konqueror loking on goggle
[04:25] <fromoze> for me gg doens't works :/
[04:25] <illogic-al> no it doesn't, i changed the delimiter to a space :-)
[04:26] <fromoze> well, I'm going to sleep 5 dirty hours, good night boys!
[04:44] <supernix> Well another Kubuntu milestone for me
[04:44] <supernix> I was able to download my cams pics and upload them to my web server
[04:47] <_michael> ok, my mids a little more clear now
[04:47] <_michael> what was the name of the winecvs thi?ng
[04:47] <_michael> thing?
[04:48] <TestMAD> this sux..klibido wont compile
[04:48] <seth_k> cedega
[04:49] <TestMAD> any other good newsgroup programs out there?
[04:49] <seth_k> for KDE, knews and knode are both in the Ubuntu repositories
[04:49] <seth_k> !info knews
[04:50] <ubotu> knews: (Graphical threaded news reader), section universe/news, is optional. Version: 1.0b.1-18 (hoary), Packaged size: 236 kB, Installed size: 592 kB
[04:50] <seth_k> !info knode
[04:50] <ubotu> knode: (KDE news reader), section net, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu10 (hoary), Packaged size: 1169 kB, Installed size: 2900 kB
[04:50] <seth_k> knode is officially supported, since it's in main. So you may get the best results with it.
[04:50] <nmorse> there's an infobot in here?
[04:51] <TestMAD> do they support <ahem>nzb<aheh>
[04:51] <supernix> seth_k: are you the one that told me there was a backport on the forums for krename ?
[04:51] <seth_k> supernix, indeed I did.
[04:52] <seth_k> here's a direct link for you supernix: http://sethkinast.com/ubuntu/hoary/backports/krename_3.0.3-2build1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb
[04:52] <seth_k> (I backported it, so it's on my server until jdong decides it's worthy to be uploaded)
[04:53] <TestMAD> what is supernix?
[04:55] <supernix> seth_k: got it but how do you install ?
[04:56] <seth_k> supernix, open a terminal and cd to where you saved it
[04:56] <supernix> is it dpkg -i *.deb ?
[04:56] <seth_k> yep
[04:56] <seth_k> tab completion is your friend
[04:56] <seth_k> sudo dpkg -i kren[TAB] 
[04:56] <nmorse> Tab completion is everyone's friend
[04:57] <seth_k> but nobody knows how to use a terminal these days :(
[04:57] <nmorse> I do
[04:57] <nmorse> I like the terminal
[04:57] <nmorse> Best UI ever
[04:58] <seth_k> fastest at least
[04:59] <nmorse> Most efficient for sure
[04:59] <nmorse> Except for moving large folders full of subfolders and crap like that
[05:01] <seth_k> what's the matter with subfolders? cp -r eats them for lunch :P
[05:01] <kalenedrael> as does mv -r
[05:01] <kalenedrael> or rm -r :P
[05:01] <seth_k> ack, rm -r
[05:02] <seth_k> fear
[05:02] <seth_k> fear
[05:02] <seth_k> fear
[05:02] <nmorse> always add -f
[05:02] <kalenedrael> oh, i use it all the time
[05:02] <nmorse> I use it to clean out temp source directories
[05:10] <TestMAD> what do i do about this??
[05:10] <TestMAD> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:10] <TestMAD> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:14] <danne> ive just installed linux:D
[05:14] <nmorse> excellent
[05:14] <danne> i like it :D
[05:14] <_michael> ok, how to i do the chmod 700 thing?
[05:15] <_michael> sry im such a noob and probably very annoying
[05:16] <sedeki> _michael: hello
[05:16] <sedeki> what do you need help with?
[05:17] <_michael> I do $cvscedega
[05:17] <_michael> wine: '/home/michael/.cvscedega/wineserver-kubuntu' must not be accessible by other users
[05:17] <_michael> is what I get
[05:17] <_michael> sum1 told me to chmod 700 - but i don't know what that means
[05:18] <sedeki> change rights on that folder
[05:18] <_michael> umm???
[05:18] <sedeki> open the konsole
[05:18] <sedeki> cd /home/michael/.cvscedega/
[05:18] <sedeki> chmod 700 wineserver-kubuntu
[05:19] <_michael> now...
[05:19] <_michael> wine: exists lstat socket : No such file or directory
[05:20] <_michael> what's that mean?
[05:20] <sedeki> i have no idea. did you apt-get cedega?
[05:20] <_michael> no, i used a script
[05:20] <_michael> how do i ununstall what I have?
[05:22] <_michael> or can I apt-get and overwrite what I habe?
[05:22] <sedeki> check if there is a uninstall automatic with script
[05:22] <_michael> the script was WineCVS.sh
[05:23] <sedeki> and you can probobly overwrite it.
[05:24] <_michael> what repository do I need to apt-get it
[05:25] <sedeki> hm?
[05:25] <_michael> $apt-get install cedega
[05:25] <_michael> E: Couldn't find package cedega
[05:25] <TestMAD> you want cedega?
[05:25] <seth_k> like I said, you have to buy cedega. And you can't find a compiled version of Cedega CVS that is legal, because the license prevents you from doing so
[05:26] <nmorse> WineCVS.sh should work for that
[05:26] <nmorse> It'll compile it for you
[05:26] <nmorse> I reccomend dx9wine though
[05:27] <_michael> I downloaded winecvs.sh, but I have the error with i
[05:27] <_michael> it*
[05:27] <nmorse> Hmm
[05:28] <nmorse> I just want a WineCVS.sh profile that'll download nwwinex
[05:28] <_michael> wine: exists lstat socket : No such file or directory
[05:29] <_michael> should I have run the script as root?
[05:29] <nmorse> Yeah, probably
[05:29] <_michael> i'll try that then
[05:29] <nmorse> They have a Wiki howto
[05:30] <nmorse> On linux-gamers.net
[05:31] <_michael> so, what is a good profile to use? i used 2
[05:33] <nmorse> Not really sure, don't use Cedega
[05:33] <nmorse> I just wanted to know if dx9wine would make Rome: Total War work
[05:49] <_michael> who was i just IMing with?
[05:59] <gigaclon> how to get JRE to work on firefox?
[05:59] <nmorse> Hmm
[05:59] <nmorse> There's the free gcj-webplugin or there's the fun way
[06:00] <nmorse> The fun way works best
[06:00] <gigaclon> the fun way??
[06:00] <gigaclon> i downloaded the linux JRE on the website
[06:00] <Octane> gigaclon: there is a plugin... see the kubuntu faq
[06:00] <Octane> or the fedora faq www.fedorafaq.org
[06:01] <gigaclon> ok
[06:01] <gigaclon> !faq
[06:01] <ubotu> faq is probably Frequently Asked Questions you can check it out from here ---> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[06:01] <nmorse> Nice, ubotu
[06:01] <nmorse> I love bots
[06:02] <nmorse> I want Jabber's chatbot brought back
[06:03] <ubuntu> hi everyone
[06:03] <ubuntu> I'm using kubuntu live CD to fix grub, what's the root pass?
[06:05] <ubuntu> never mind, I got it sudo passwd root
[06:08] <gigaclon> so how is the kubuntu world today
[06:09] <seth_k> gigaclon, re Java:
[06:09] <seth_k> !java
[06:09] <ubotu> well, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin.
[06:10] <gigaclon> I got it
[06:13] <nmorse> a handy bot indeed
[06:18] <ubuntu> anyone knows how to restore grub with live CD?
[06:19] <ubuntu> what, no coders/hackers gurus around?
[06:19] <seth_k> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[06:20] <seth_k> ubotu grubrestore is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[06:20] <ubotu> okay, seth_k
[06:20] <seth_k> did you get that ubuntu?
[06:21] <ubuntu> seth_k: yes thanks, problem is live CD dont have grub
[06:21] <ubuntu> I could've grub> root (hd0)
[06:21] <ubuntu> then setup 
[06:21] <seth_k> that's why you chroot to your hard drive
[06:21] <ubuntu> but ... it's not on the Live CD :(
[06:21] <seth_k> ermm
[06:21] <seth_k> that is the whole point
[06:21] <ubuntu> seth_k: ok, let me go read the wiki, thx much for your help
[06:22] <ubuntu> brb
[06:22] <ubuntu> grub> setup (hd0)
[06:22] <ubuntu> Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition
[06:23] <TestMAD> seth_k:  what is a good par2 app?
[06:24] <seth_k> ubuntu, follow the wiki. You have to chroot in and mount things. And if your /etc/fstab isn't right, you need to fix that first
[06:24] <seth_k> TestMAD, i don't know what par2 is
[06:24] <TestMAD> k..n/m
[06:26] <bbailey> TestMAD: par2 ;)
[06:26] <TestMAD> hehe
[06:26] <TestMAD> i need an app for it
[06:26] <TestMAD> all i found was the cmdline one
[06:27] <bbailey> Yes, the cmdline one is the only one I've found. (On any linux distro)
[06:27] <TestMAD> whoa..kubuntu has 2 par2 apps
[06:36] <ubuntu> seth_k: I'm trying the wiki, let me reboot to find out if it works, brb
[06:41] <supernix> I must be doing something all wrong or Krename just flat out sucks
[06:54] <seth_k> you're doing something wrong b/c krename pwns
[06:54] <armer> what's krename?
[06:56] <supernix> it is a gui to the rename program as I recall
[07:02] <armer> as in, rename a file?
[07:03] <konki> anyone know how i can install other extensions on firefox... the website always take me to upgrade to 1.0.5 have 1.0.4 installed already
[07:03] <nmorse> 1.0.5?
[07:03] <nmorse> Didn't know that was out
[07:04] <konki> nmorse, mozilla-firefox 1.0.5 version
[07:04] <konki> the website doesn't let you get other extensions until you upgrade...
[07:17] <axis> need an apt-source 
[07:19] <axis> i can't seem to apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:20] <axis> riiight
[07:24] <ubuntu> Hi guys. I was going to install Hoary 5.04 but saw a newer iso 5.04.3, but can not figure how to install. Can some one help?
[07:28] <ubuntu> ubotu: Tell me how to install Kubuntu Hoary 5.04.3.
[07:33] <TestMAD> !install
[07:33] <ubotu> Wish i knew, TestMAD
[07:35] <axis> eh
[07:35] <axis> TestMAD,\
[07:35] <axis> ubuntu Hi guys. I was going to install Hoary 5.04 but saw a newer iso 5.04.3, but can not figure how to install. Can some one help?
[07:35] <axis> ubuntu ubotu: Tell me how to install Kubuntu Hoary 5.04.3.
[07:35] <axis> was that you
[07:36] <TestMAD> ubotu is a bot
[07:36] <ubotu> TestMAD: I give up, what is it?
[07:36] <TestMAD> to install..just d/l the iso..burn it..
[07:37] <TestMAD> and reboot with cdro in the drive
[07:39] <TestMAD> axis: try this site
[07:39] <TestMAD> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[07:39] <stibby> what does .3 have?
[07:49] <konki> what pkg version of firefox did kubuntu get?? 1.0.4 or 1.0.5??
[07:51] <nmorse> 1.0.1 I think
[07:58] <konki> well i guess were doing better we have 1.0.4 but mepis has 1.0.5
[08:00] <TestMAD> we got 1.0.5
[08:01] <TestMAD> i think
[08:04] <supernix> I don't see 1.05
[08:04] <alakhia> hi
[08:04] <supernix> I only see 1.02 and I did a refresh of the packages
[08:04] <supernix> Hi
[08:04] <alakhia> I'm new to irc and kubuntu
[08:05] <alakhia> :)
[08:05] <epiloc> join the club alakhia
[08:05] <epiloc> :o
[08:06] <alakhia> Is this a dev channel or for users?
[08:06] <nmorse> Lots of new people around eh?
[08:06] <nmorse> Channel for everyone using Kubuntu I guess
[08:06] <supernix> Yes this is the general channel
[08:07] <alakhia> Cool! After using gentoo for few months, kubuntu is a welcome change.
[08:07] <supernix> The #ubuntu channel is more of a develper channel
[08:07] <supernix> at least that is how they act
[08:07] <epiloc> heh
[08:07] <supernix> LOL what made you switch alakhia 
[08:07] <alakhia> got tired of compiling
[08:08] <alakhia> my laptop took ages to compile ... :)
[08:08] <nmorse> I hated the compiling on Gentoo
[08:08] <axis> how do i add Gaim to my kde startup
[08:08] <nmorse> A Debian-based distro was a blessing to go back to after that
[08:09] <alakhia> 5% extra performance not worth the hassle
[08:09] <supernix> Hmm I never compiled much
[08:09] <supernix> never used Gentoo much either
[08:09] <supernix> once I booted up and saw no GUI on their livecd that was it for their test
[08:09] <alakhia> i'm new to debian ... getting used to apt-get
[08:10] <alakhia> yeah, their livecd is just to install gentoo, not really use it
[08:10] <axis> anybody, anybody? easy question
[08:11] <axis> how i can have Gaim automatically start
[08:11] <axis> at GUI boot
[08:11] <nmorse> Leave it open when you exit session
[08:11] <aseigo> if it's running when you quit the session it should restart on its own
[08:11] <nmorse> Then when you load that session next time it works
[08:11] <TestMAD> what can i do to keep kubuntu clean..from all the clutter..
[08:11] <nmorse> Or you can add a launcher to your .kde/share/Autostart folder
[08:11] <TestMAD> like tmp files..orphaned files..cahces
[08:12] <nmorse> Cron cleans them
[08:12] <nmorse> Don't worry about it
[08:12] <axis> TestMAD: thx
[08:12] <TestMAD> axis: np
[08:12] <nmorse> You know, come to think of it, I don't know exactly what cron does on Kubuntu?
[08:12] <alakhia> yeah, I got mail about broken sym links the other day. It is run by cron.daily!
[08:12] <nmorse> Time to start looking
[08:12] <TestMAD> does cron run by itself?
[08:12] <axis> kubuntu is pretty nice too
[08:13] <TestMAD> or do i have to run it once to make it do it all the time
[08:13] <alakhia> cron runs automatically for you
[08:13] <TestMAD> and what is slocate?
[08:13] <alakhia> it starts up when you boot
[08:13] <axis> TestMAD, : its the index of  your filesystem
[08:13] <axis> TestMAD, : updatedb updates the index
[08:14] <TestMAD> did i really have to run that like the install told me to?
[08:14] <axis> TestMAD: so you can find files in CLI with "locate <file>
[08:14] <axis> TestMAD: no
[08:14] <axis> TestMAD: just "updatedb" manually
[08:14] <axis> TestMAD: if you're going to go searching for files
[08:14] <alakhia> I use locate all the time ... much faster than find.
[08:15] <axis> or if you  search for files alot with /search or "locate" then maybe you should drop it in cron .. other then that, it's not crucial
[08:15] <axis> i use locate as well
[08:15] <axis> but i don't add too many new packages
[08:15] <axis> so i don't have to update all the time
[08:15] <axis> if i can't find something 1nce, i "updatedb" 
[08:15] <TestMAD> what about pre-linking?
[08:15] <axis> if that doesn't find it .. then i'm looking for thr wrong file
[08:16] <axis> no clu
[08:16] <axis> [=
[08:16] <gigaclon> is there a way to disable Konq for web-browsing?
[08:16] <alakhia> I used prelinking with gentoo
[08:16] <axis> gigaclon, : what do you want to use?
[08:16] <alakhia> I suppose apt-get install prelink should install it
[08:16] <gigaclon> firefox
[08:16] <gigaclon> already have it
[08:16] <alakhia> then, to use, you need to setup a conf file
[08:16] <axis> gigaclon, : well in firefox, there has to be an option that says  "make firefox your default browser"
[08:17] <axis> gigaclon, : and i'm sure koqueror has the same.. you find mozilla's, i'll find konq's 
[08:17] <alakhia> try looking here: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/prelink-howto.xml
[08:17] <alakhia> that's what I used on gentoo
[08:17] <alakhia> It can't be all that different on kubuntu
[08:18] <alakhia> It did make kde startup a bit faster
[08:18] <TestMAD> ubuntu has a pre-link how to..but i saw somewhere that this could lead to disaster
[08:18] <axis> gigaclon: i couldn't find it in konqueror
[08:18] <alakhia> really ... I thought prelinking was harmless
[08:18] <axis> gigaclon: but if you find it in mozilla, that should work fine
[08:19] <aseigo> gigaclon: go into the control panels, kde components, component chooser
[08:19] <alakhia> it either works or the system reverts to manually finding the symbols
[08:19] <axis> gigaclon, : also in firefox, go to "edit" -Preferences- and right there should be the "default browser" tab
[08:19] <alakhia> so, in the worst case, it does nothing
[08:20] <alakhia> in the best case, it makes linking of dso's faster
[08:21] <alakhia> From gentoo web page: Warning: It has been observed that if you are low on disk space and you prelink your entire system then there is a possibility that your binaries may be truncated. The result being a b0rked system.
[08:22] <gigaclon> it actually says borked?
[08:22] <alakhia> yup! :)
[08:22] <gigaclon> the geeks!!
[08:22] <supernix> Firefox 1.02 on Kubuntu sucks it wont let you see the passwords for one and two I am having trouble with a popup form in Hivemail
[08:23] <alakhia> Not see passwords? Isn't that a good thing?
[08:24] <alakhia> You wouldn't want someone to look over your shoulder ... no?
[08:24] <supernix> Not when your trying to view them
[08:24] <axis> supernix,  you should always remember them
[08:24] <axis> i have a zillion passwds
[08:24] <axis> all alphanumeric
[08:24] <axis> 8 character at least
[08:24] <axis> :/
[08:24] <supernix> That is just to paranoid and you could never remember the passwords I use they are usually 16 didgits long
[08:25] <axis> q165st708
[08:25] <axis> was one of my first
[08:25] <axis> sigh
[08:25] <axis> good ol days of icq 95
[08:25] <axis> account #218413
[08:25] <axis> then my second account was "5160924"
[08:25] <axis> and my third, #13100749
[08:26] <axis> so are mp3's / codecs installed with kubuntu?
[08:26] <alakhia> I write down things hints at times ... to remind me what the password is!
[08:27] <axis> q165st708 was queen stree 165, apt 708 .. where my buddy used to live ! hahaha
[08:27] <alakhia> I also recycle them ... makes is easier if you just have 5 passwords instead of 50
[08:27] <axis> alakhia: if you're going to do it that way, just dump them all in a text file, and name it something wacky like .exe ..
[08:27] <axis> yah i have about 10 on rotation .. hahaha
[08:27] <supernix> I usually use a random password generator
[08:27] <alakhia> security by obscurity! :)
[08:28] <axis> and then another 10 variables of those passwords
[08:28] <axis> hehe
[08:28] <axis> exactly alakhia 
[08:28] <alakhia> random passwords! Argggh!
[08:28] <axis> i'm pretty good at generated pwords
[08:28] <axis> that's half the fun
[08:28] <axis> to me anyways
[08:28] <axis> hehe
[08:28] <alakhia> I would never do that to myself!
[08:28] <axis> g0ds3xs3cr3tp4ssw0rdg0d
[08:29] <alakhia> man, it would take me 5 minutes just to type it ... if I remembered it! ;)
[08:29] <axis> which
[08:29] <axis> g0ds3xs3cr3tp4ssw0rdg0d
[08:30] <alakhia> yeah!
[08:30] <alakhia> that one
[08:30] <axis> bah
[08:30] <axis> just practice using numbers instead of vowels
[08:30] <axis> ;] 
[08:30] <axis> 4310
[08:30] <axis> U
[08:30] <alakhia> oh, i see
[08:30] <axis> makes it easier
[08:30] <axis> lol
[08:30] <alakhia> not bad
[08:31] <axis> h3ll0th1s1smyl3etp4ssw0rd
[08:31] <alakhia> :)
[08:31] <axis> p:
[08:31] <axis> [=
[08:31] <alakhia> well, getting late here
[08:31] <axis> true that
[08:31] <axis> 2.30
[08:31] <axis> est
[08:31] <alakhia> Nice talking to you, axis
[08:31] <axis> you too alakhia 
[08:31] <alakhia> oh ... 11:30
[08:31] <alakhia> pm here ... Pacific time
[08:31] <axis> where b..
[08:31] <axis> :)
[08:32] <axis> well.. i'm sure i'll see you around..
[08:32] <axis> have a good night
[08:32] <axis> [=
[08:32] <alakhia> thanks
[08:32] <alakhia> you too
[08:32] <alakhia> later
[08:32] <axis> l8t3s
[08:32] <axis> !
[08:32] <ubotu> axis: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[08:32] <axis> LOL
[08:32] <axis> l8t3s
[08:44] <hussam> buz: I'm compiling it now. I'll look for some place to upload it when it's done.
[08:45] <buz> mhh how big will it be?
[08:45] <hussam> like 10MB.
[08:46] <hussam> i won't upload it from home. I have slow connection. I'll copy it to cd then upload it at college.
[08:47] <buz> mhh do a torrent?
[08:47] <hussam> my ISP blocks p2p.
[08:48] <buz> mhh i could seed it for a while
[08:49] <hussam> well, once I upload it, you can download and do the torrent thing.
[08:49] <buz> ok
[08:49] <hussam> it's still compiling ( no errors yet ) so I hope it works.
[08:50] <buz> well try it out first ;)
[08:50] <hussam> of course.
[08:51] <hussam> I'm making it optimized for pentium3.
[08:52] <TestMAD> what is deer park?
[08:52] <hussam> alpha 2 for firefox 1.1 ?
[08:52] <hussam> yes 1.1
[08:54] <hussam> TestMAD: we're trying to compile it with qt/kde instead of gtk2
[08:54] <TestMAD> ahh
[08:54] <TestMAD> benefits are?
[08:55] <hussam> it will look like a kde application
[08:55] <hussam> :)
[08:55] <TestMAD> ahh..nice
[08:55] <hussam> but this is an experimental feature in 1.1
[08:55] <TestMAD> is xcompmgr compatible with KDE?
[08:56] <hussam> the official builds from mozilla.org will always be gtk unfortunately.
[08:56] <TestMAD> and transet?
[08:56] <hussam> TestMAD: it's built in.
[08:56] <buz> i wonder how itll look
[08:56] <TestMAD> where can i find it?
[08:56] <buz> it would be a killer feature for kubuntu
[08:56] <hussam> TestMAD: kompmgr
[08:56] <buz> i bloody hate the ugly gtk dialogs
[08:57] <TestMAD> what about transet?
[08:58] <hussam> TestMAD: not sure.
[08:58] <TestMAD> err..transset
[08:58] <TestMAD> k
[08:58] <TestMAD> i know it sets windows transparencies
[08:59] <hussam> TestMAD: I know that, but I'm not sure it works in kde
[08:59] <TestMAD> ahh..is there a KDE equal?
[08:59] <hussam> not sure either, maybe somebody else knows better. 
[09:01] <TestMAD> what is xfce?
[09:01] <hussam> TestMAD: a lightweight window manager. it's lighter on resources than kde and gnome 
[09:02] <TestMAD> ahh
[09:03] <hussam> it has an GUI installer that will automatically compile it and install it on your PC.
[09:08] <pax> what's the deal with packages disapearing from backports?
[09:09] <pax> is this some new policy or something?
[09:18] <hussam> buz: still compiling.
[09:19] <buz> how long since you started?
[09:19] <hussam> like 40 minutes ago.
[09:19] <buz> ah thats not so bad
[09:19] <hussam> it usually takes like 75 minutes on my pc. 
[09:20] <hussam> On a P4, it takes like 20 minutes.
[09:22] <hussam> I don't mind if it takes time as long as it does not give an error
[09:22] <buz> yeah ;)
[09:22] <buz> have you got a script how to build it?
[09:23] <hussam> you mean  a .mozconfig ?
[09:23] <buz> yeah
[09:23] <hussam> for firefox 1.0.5 or 1.1 ?
[09:24] <buz> 1.1
[09:24] <hussam> sure
[09:25] <buz> can you paste is somewhere
[09:26] <buz> i wanna give it a shot myself ;)
[09:26] <hussam> http://pastebin.com/316058
[09:28] <hussam> this is the source http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/deerpark/alpha2/source/firefox-1.1a2-source.tar.bz2
[09:34] <_ethan> can some1 help a noob install apollon?
[09:36] <_ethan> ne1?
[09:37] <_ethan> hello
[09:38] <_ethan> hello?!?!?!?
[09:38] <hussam> did you sudo apt-get install apollon?
[09:38] <Choubaka> edsuom: be patient. :P
[09:39] <Choubaka> ops
[09:39] <_ethan> yes i tried it said couldn't find package
[09:39] <Choubaka> _ethan: that was obviously to you.
[09:40] <_ethan> mind u i am a noob first linux os installed it 2 days ago
[09:40] <pax> _ethan: edit your source.list to include universe and backports
[09:40] <pax> sources.list*
[09:40] <_ethan> do i edit with kate?
[09:40] <pax> kate, nano, vim, kedit
[09:41] <pax> whatever you want
[09:41] <_ethan> ok
[09:41] <pax> here, copy/paste and you're done: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[09:42] <othernoob> pax: doesn't kate have problems sudoing?
[09:42] <_ethan> ok thnx
[09:42] <pax> othernoob: fine with kdesu
[09:42] <_ethan> kate quit wroking earlier for me neway
[09:45] <othernoob> is the us.archive fixed now?
[09:47] <pax> for me, yes.
[09:47] <pax> ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu <- good
[09:48] <hussam> buz: still compiling, I hope it works.
[09:48] <buz> hussam: gonna give it a shot compiling as well
[09:48] <dian> hi
[09:48] <pax> rolling a kernel hussam?
[09:49] <buz> firefox with qt
[09:49] <hussam> pax: no compiling firefox 1.1 alpha 2 with kde/qt interface instead of gtk
[09:49] <pax> sounds like a plan
[09:50] <hussam> buz: are you downloading the source?
[09:50] <pax> let me know how it goes, so I can join the party.
[09:50] <buz> i did
[09:50] <buz> already started make
[09:50] <hussam> cool
[09:50] <buz> with your mozconfig
[09:51] <hussam> buz: how fast is your PC
[09:51] <buz> 2.5
[09:51] <buz> but uhm make already stopped
[09:51] <hussam> what error?
[09:51] <buz> can i use normal make?
[09:52] <buz> or do i need gmake
[09:52] <ethan_> hey pax
[09:52] <hussam> buz: no you only need make
[09:52] <pax> hi ethan_ 
[09:52] <buz> mhh i did apt-get build-dep firefox before
[09:52] <buz> but it doesn't seem to help
[09:52] <ethan_> can u give me that page again?
[09:53] <pax> ethan_: what page?
[09:53] <hussam> buz: can you tell the error?
[09:53] <buz> i trying again
[09:53] <ethan_> about installing apollen
[09:53] <ethan_> wasnt that u?
[09:53] <pax> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[09:53] <buz> i need to set the mozconfig then start make right?
[09:53] <ethan_> thnx a ton
[09:54] <hussam> save you .mozconfig in your home dir.
[09:56] <buz> did do that yes
[09:57] <buz> wtf
[09:57] <buz> gcc complains it cant find glib.h
[09:57] <hussam> do you have the glib dev package?
[09:58] <buz> mhh libglib2.0-dev yes
[09:58] <buz> not 1.1 tho
[10:00] <hussam> you only need the 2.0 not the 1.1
[10:00] <buz> mhh locate glib.h doesnt find anything at all
[10:01] <hussam> oh you need libglib1.2-dev as well.
[10:01] <hussam> I have that installed as well, both 2.0 and 1.2
[10:01] <Aapzak> Qt: 3.3.3
[10:01] <Aapzak> KDE: 3.4.0
[10:01] <Aapzak> kde-config: 1.0
[10:02] <buz> i have kde 3.4.1
[10:02] <Aapzak> I want that too
[10:02] <hussam> buz: same here
[10:02] <Aapzak> I'm running Kubuntu-desktop hoary
[10:03] <hussam> just apt-get install libglib1.2-dev
[10:04] <Aapzak> kalenedrael: how are you ? I'm running Kubuntu now, and wifi is working
[10:05] <Aapzak> compling firefox takes a long time
[10:05] <buz> hussam: i already did that
[10:05] <buz> no luck it seems
[10:05] <Aapzak> why are you compiling firefox?
[10:05] <buz> ./include/glib-1.2/glib.h
[10:05] <buz> do i perchance need to supply that as -I param?
[10:06] <Aapzak> I need 3.4.1 too guys, how do I get it?
[10:06] <hussam> crap , it stopped with an error
[10:06] <Aapzak> Aapzak: look in the topic
[10:07] <hussam> buz: remove enable-svg from mozconfig
[10:08] <hussam> I'll try recompiling without enable-svg and enable-canvas
[10:09] <Aapzak> gonna upgrade in console, bbl
[10:13] <buz> disabling svg seems to help so far
[10:15] <hussam> buz: hopefully it will work this time
[10:16] <buz> do i need kde dev stuff or just libqt3-dev
[10:17] <hussam> no just qt3-dev
[10:25] <guillem> wow, composite manager from KDE is outstanding
[10:28] <Choubaka> too bad composite isn't very good. :/
[10:28] <Choubaka> it's slow.
[10:28] <Choubaka> nd unstable.
[10:28] <guillem> Choubaka: not so slow at my nvidia card ;-P . It is unstable, yes.
[10:29] <Choubaka> guillem: it could be a lot faster.
[10:29] <guillem> Choubaka: probably it will
[10:29] <Choubaka> a guy I know on debian may be including Xglx in his livecd. 
[10:29] <Choubaka> That's supposed to be composite done right.
[10:30] <Choubaka> At least from what he tells me it's also fast.
[10:30] <guillem> Choubaka: I guess there still there is room for improvement with current approach
[10:30] <Choubaka> If they can improve. :/
[10:31] <guillem> Choubaka: most of the performance problem is at the driver side, IMHO
[10:31] <Choubaka> Nope.
[10:31] <Choubaka> Not with composite at least.
[10:32] <nikkia> from what i can see, Xglx is less reliable than composite :O
[10:32] <Choubaka> AFAIK the standards and conventions and specifications and whatever of X are not very flexible
[10:32] <Choubaka> nikkia: well, it's still beta.
[10:32] <nikkia> Choubaka: the real problem is, that people don't follow the standards and conventions of X :)
[10:32] <Choubaka> That's new.
[10:33] <Choubaka> I've only heard developers cursing how much X sucks.
[10:33] <nikkia> Choubaka: for example, everyone does widgets using pixmaps and direct rendering
[10:33] <nikkia> as such, widgets with Gtk, Qt, etc are SLOW
[10:33] <Choubaka> can you do them some other way then?
[10:33] <Choubaka> I thought X offered you no options.
[10:33] <nikkia> the X development kit was designed with pluggable widgets, noone except motif and Xaw has ever used it
[10:34] <nikkia> (if Qt and Gtk had, there wouldn't really be any reason for things like gtk-qtengine
[10:34] <Choubaka> hmm.
[10:35] <nikkia> Choubaka: this problem is compounded by the fact that direct pixmap rendering is about the slowest thing you can do in X :/
[10:35] <Choubaka> If those pluggable things are so good, why didn't GTK and QT use them? :/
[10:35] <nikkia> i won't pretend, however, that the Xlib widget routines are easy to use
[10:36] <nikkia> Choubaka: they're complex, overly hard to develop with, etc, the temptation of a beginning X developer is 'just use pixmaps, its easier and faster to get working'
[10:36] <Choubaka> Ah. hah.
[10:36] <Choubaka> Well, no wonder then :/
[10:36] <nikkia> Choubaka: to use them, in something like a DE, you *really* need a proper design and engineering strategy
[10:36] <buz> still compiling
[10:37] <Choubaka> "We have a better solution, but it's so hard to use you'll want to use the bad solution"
[10:37] <guillem> nikkia: however, as far as I can tell, Xlib routines would not allow you to do smooth font rendereing...
[10:37] <nikkia> Choubaka: motif might be ugly, but it was at least engineered
[10:37] <Choubaka> yeah. :P
[10:37] <Choubaka> But ugly is bad.
[10:37] <Choubaka> :P
[10:37] <nikkia> guillem: with the plain routines, no, you couldn't, but then, when Qt and Gtk were created, there was no way to do it at all
[10:38] <nikkia> guillem: you could still argue that fixing Xlib to support better font technologies would have been better than what has happened
[10:38] <Choubaka> I don't really know much about these things.
[10:38] <guillem> nikkia: I'm a motif programmer and all tha I can say is  that is pain difficult to do "dynamic" GUIs. Something that does not happen with Qt or GTK. I know that has little to do with drawing.
[10:39] <nikkia> Choubaka: its only ugly because its as old as windows 3.0 and designed with windows 3.0's look and feel in mind
[10:39] <Choubaka> heh.
[10:39] <nikkia> guillem: that's really a limitation of the motif SDK, most of the 3rd party X SDKs of that era were similarly event bound
[10:39] <Choubaka> I doubt that guy would be hyping Xglx if it really weren't good.
[10:39] <nikkia> guillem: its near impossible to do dynamic UIs in Xview too, which was motif's comptemporary
[10:39] <nikkia> contemporary, even
[10:40] <Choubaka> But I don't even use a linux desktop anymore. ;P
[10:40] <nikkia> Choubaka: remember, MS designed the motif look and feel
[10:40] <guillem> nikkia: I am not so sure that what has happened is so bad afterall. In my new computer X11 flies with shadows et al.
[10:40] <nikkia> Choubaka: a major design goal for motif was to unify the look and feel of unix and windows systems
[10:40] <Choubaka> Well, windows is freaking ugly too.
[10:41] <Choubaka> so yeah, they managed pretty well
[10:41] <Choubaka> (w2k is)
[10:41] <Choubaka> hm
[10:41] <Choubaka> enter.
[10:41] <Choubaka> damn. 
[10:41] <nikkia> guillem: the problem is, it all falls apart if you try to do cross-network displays
[10:41] <Choubaka> I was about to say w2k is the least ugly windows. 
[10:42] <nikkia> guillem: there is a long list of Gtk and Qt apps that simply do not run across a remote X display
[10:42] <nikkia> using pixmaps works fine locally, but it has some significanty gotchas if the X display is not local
[10:43] <guillem> nikkia: which ones? I do constantly remote X displaying of Gtk apps (evolution, whole gnome desktop, ...) and the only thing it does not work properly is video
[10:43] <nikkia> gah, my typing is terrible today :(
[10:43] <nikkia> guillem: generally, anything that tries to fudge translucency, IME
[10:44] <nikkia> guillem: and 'most of them' if you don't use the same visuals as provided by the local server
[10:44] <Choubaka> I'm using OS X now. It shouldn't take linux too long for them to be able to offer a similar desktop experience. :)
[10:44] <guillem> nikkia: besides, pixmaps can reside at the server side, and IMHO translucency works fine if composite manager is local-
[10:44] <nikkia> Choubaka: sadly, i think it will
[10:45] <Choubaka> Hmm...
[10:45] <nikkia> Choubaka: i don't think the X architecture is really suited to trying to provide the same features as OS X
[10:45] <guillem> nikkia: sadly i think it will even take longer to OS-X be network transparent.
[10:45] <nikkia> guillem: its already network transparent, just not well known about
[10:46] <Choubaka> 3d-hardware accelerated desktops are not far away.
[10:46] <nikkia> mostly because you have to PAY to get the network transparent stufff
[10:46] <Choubaka> Though I do not know how you define "not far away"
[10:47] <Choubaka> But I'm happy using this powerbook until I can afford a new desktop machine.
[10:47] <guillem> nikkia: but real network transparency or something like improved vnc??
[10:48] <nikkia> guillem: there are 2 ways of doing it on OS X
[10:48] <nikkia> one is basically 'like vnc/rdp'
[10:48] <Choubaka> It'll run linux then, and I'll see how it works :)
[10:48] <nikkia> the other is to have your cocoa objects reside on the desktop, and the rest of the code run on the server
[10:49] <nikkia> because Cocoa is designed to allow objects to exist over a network connection, the second way works fine, perhaps even better than X style, as your widgets locally
[10:50] <guillem> nikkia: the first one is slower than X provided you have local network bandwidth.  The second one limits you to current widgets... what happens with custom ones?
[10:50] <nikkia> guillem: custom widgets should work fine, assuming they're derived in a proper OO way
[10:51] <guillem> nikkia: didn't know about that.
[10:51] <hussam> buz: is the compile working for you?
[10:51] <buz> so far
[10:51] <buz> so good
[10:51] <hussam> same here
[10:52] <nikkia> guillem: to be honest, distributed-objects is one of the places where OS X and Objective-C really shine
[10:53] <nikkia> guillem: even if your 'distributed object' is local, it provides a much better threading model than standard C++/etc OO styles
[10:55] <epiloc> jesus, i need to sleep
[10:57] <Riggzy_Linux> Hey - I'm trying to install ALSA, but ofcourse its already installed... how doI remove the old version?
[11:03] <epiloc> kynaptic?
[11:06] <Skaag> hello people! :-)
[11:06] <Skaag> Can someone hel me out with wifi?
[11:06] <Skaag> I'm running kwifimanager but it can not find wireless networks
[11:06] <Skaag> but there's a wireless WEP 128bit network here, which the Windows people connect to happily
[11:08] <guillem> nikkia: the OS-X approach is then the "Y-windows" one, I guess.
[11:09] <Riggzy_Linux> I'm trying to ununstall ALSA (so I can compile a newer one)... how do I ununstall it?
[11:09] <Riggzy_Linux> I tried running apt-get remove alsa, but it wants to remobe ubuntu-base too ;-)
[11:10] <nikkia> Riggzy_Linux: is there a particular reason you'd want to remove the included alsa ?
[11:11] <Riggzy_Linux> nikka, OK, i'm not sure I have to... but what I know is that my sound aint workin' ;-)
[11:12] <Riggzy_Linux> do i need to do anything to get it to work with my audigy2? (emu10k1)
[11:14] <Riggzy_Linux> nikkia*  oops
[11:14] <hussam> buz: did your compile work? mine is still going on
[11:14] <nikkia> no idea
[11:14] <othernoob> Riggzy_Linux: open kmix
[11:14] <othernoob> Riggzy_Linux: and choose analog output..
[11:15] <othernoob> Riggzy_Linux: unless you do have it plugged into digital..
[11:15] <Riggzy_Linux> hoorah
[11:16] <Riggzy_Linux> cheers ;-)
[11:16] <othernoob> :)
[11:16] <epiloc> would this ati driver work with kubuntu ATI Proprietary Linux x86 Drivers for XFree86 / X.Org Version 8.14.13 ?
[11:19] <epiloc> ill take that as a big no
[11:20] <epiloc> i guess its time to figure out how to build the deb pkg
[11:21] <Spiritual_Vagabo> hi, i just installed kubuntu
[11:22] <Spiritual_Vagabo> but am unable to get my broadband working on it
[11:23] <Spiritual_Vagabo> can anyone help me?
[11:23] <insanekane> Spiritual_Vagabo: what kind of broadband ?
[11:24] <Spiritual_Vagabo> dsl
[11:24] <insanekane> Spiritual_Vagabo: it is connected via USB or via networking cable ?
[11:24] <Spiritual_Vagabo> thru a router
[11:24] <Spiritual_Vagabo> via network cable
[11:24] <insanekane> how many network cards do you have ?
[11:24] <Spiritual_Vagabo> 1
[11:25] <insanekane> Spiritual_Vagabo: ok, is it a static or dynamic IP ?
[11:26] <Spiritual_Vagabo> actually it does have dynamic IP
[11:26] <insanekane> Spiritual_Vagabo: ok ... in that case .. open a Konsole ..
[11:26] <insanekane> and type
[11:26] <insanekane> Spiritual_Vagabo: sudo dhclient eth0
[11:26] <Spiritual_Vagabo> k
[11:26] <Spiritual_Vagabo> will try that
[11:27] <Spiritual_Vagabo> i tried pppoeconf.
[11:27] <Spiritual_Vagabo> it detected eth0 but couldnt configure it
[11:28] <Spiritual_Vagabo> then I tried "sudo add default gw 192.168.1.1" but it says "file exists"
[11:35] <buz> hussam: my build crashed
[11:43] <Riggzy_Linux> Arg... 've got a FAT32 partition that I was gonna use for sharing files between OSes, but only root can write to it
[11:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> check your fstab
[11:44] <Riggzy_Linux> what should be under options?
[11:44] <Riggzy_Linux> it's set to "default"
[11:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's ok. you can add "rw" as well.
[11:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm suprised it's not writeble by default
[11:45] <Riggzy_Linux> I tried, didn't work, oy
[11:45] <Riggzy_Linux> ubuntu does have native fat32 support, right? ;-)
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes :)
[11:46] <Riggzy_Linux> ls -l /   shows that /share has these eprmissions:  drwxr-xr-x
[11:46] <Riggzy_Linux> I've done a chmod a+rw and its the same
[11:47] <nikkia> Riggzy_Linux: you need to set a umask
[11:47] <hussam> buz: mine is still going on but it could also give an error. I'll have to wait.
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm trying to remembe5r what # to set
[11:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> umask=000
[11:48] <Riggzy_Linux> nikkia, what syntax do I use?
[11:48] <worzel> Riggzy try chmod 0757 etc
[11:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountfat
[11:48] <nikkia> worzel: it won't work, the umask overrides everything
[11:50] <nikkia> Riggzy_Linux: umask=0 in the options for the filesystem will work, but there are other options, such as defining acess to the disk based on group membership, and using group=groupname,umask=007 or group=groupname,umask=002
[11:51] <Riggzy_Linux> ok, so my fstab options will be default,rw,umask=0  ?
[11:52] <nikkia> yes
[11:53] <Riggzy_Linux> ok :) thanks
[11:53] <nikkia> you might want 'user'  in there too, so you don't have to be root to mount/umount it
[11:53] <epiloc> does anyone know anything about the flrgx driver for ati cards?
[12:03] <worzel> any use? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495
[12:03] <gwilma> not very much - what do you want to know epiloc?
[12:05] <hussam> buz: it gave an error
[12:05] <hussam> buz: i'll try again later
[12:05] <buz> too bad
[12:08] <epiloc> im trying to do this 'root@home:~# apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 xorg-driver-fglrx'
[12:09] <epiloc> Reading package lists... Done
[12:09] <epiloc> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:09] <epiloc> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 is already the newest version.
[12:09] <epiloc> E: Couldn't find package xorg-driver-fglrx
[12:11] <Riggzy_Linux> Hmm, what package do I need to fix X11 build dependencies?
[12:12] <Riggzy_Linux> I'm trying to build xine-lib
[12:12] <epiloc> any ideas?
[12:13] <buz> apt-get build-dep xine-lib ?
[12:16] <marcus2005> Anyone here?
[12:17] <epiloc> yea
[12:18] <marcus2005> I wonder how to use multiple screens
[12:18] <marcus2005> Got my tv connected through TV out
[12:18] <marcus2005> Ok
[12:18] <worzel> epiloc - synaptic has xorg-driver-fglrx shown as maintained pkg here 
[12:19] <epiloc> ?
[12:19] <epiloc> so its there?
[12:20] <epiloc> im confused... i just need the fglrx driver package
[12:20] <worzel> under miscellaneous text-based restricted
[12:20] <Riggzy_Linux> buz - thanks, it worked
[12:21] <epiloc> kynaptic doesnt show
[12:21] <marcus2005> Have you added the extra repositories?
[12:22] <epiloc> all im showing under there is linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5blahlblah
[12:23] <epiloc> not sure... how would i check?
[12:23] <epiloc> :/
[12:24] <epiloc> reading up on it now...
[12:25] <marcus2005> Wait some seconds
[12:25] <marcus2005> I gonna look how it is in Kubuntu. Got gone on my other
[12:28] <marcus2005> Go to /etc/apt/source.list
[12:29] <void-> Anyone know if there is a prebuilt cvs-wine for ubuntu (debs)?
[12:29] <buz> i dont think so
[12:30] <epiloc> marcus2005, i am backing up sources.list and making the changes right now
[12:30] <marcus2005> Ok perfect
[12:31] <Riggzy_Linux> What do I need to play things in amarok without it crashing? ;-) there isnt an engine installed at the moment
[12:31] <othernoob> Riggzy_Linux: xine, arts, gstreamer?
[12:32] <Riggzy_Linux> ok, thanks, lol
[12:32] <marcus2005> Does anyone khow how to use multiple screens_?
[12:33] <marcus2005> And how do i find freeNX
[12:36] <epiloc> marcus2005, i am doing sudo apt-get update
[12:36] <epiloc> should i do apt-get upgrade?
[12:36] <Riggzy_Linux> whats the easiest way to install a .deb package?
[12:37] <Riggzy_Linux> wait, nvm
[12:39] <epiloc> w00t!
[12:39] <epiloc> ok on to the next step
[12:46] <manolista> hi!
[12:53] <epiloc> ok, installed fglrx, hopefully xwin doesnt crash
[01:01] <mhale> hi all
[01:01] <epiloc> W00T!
[01:02] <epiloc> ati radeon up and running
[01:02] <mhale> i have a question about the kubuntu dvd... does it have all the packages on it, or just the same ones as the install cd?
[01:02] <Choubaka> I would say it has all the packages.
[01:02] <Choubaka> :P
[01:04] <Riddell> mhale: it is combined live and install and has all the packages in main and supported (CD has only kubuntu-desktop)
[01:07] <mhale> Riddell: thanks
[01:08] <epiloc> anyone ever play with Kstars?
[01:08] <mhale> Riddell: you wouldnt be jriddell would you?
[01:09] <PieD> hi
[01:09] <mhale> kind of a silly question, but there might be more than one of you
[01:09] <ateves> hi! is there any possibilty to save the current config and made changes of the kubuntu live CD
[01:09] <ateves> so i can start it again with my changes
[01:15] <m0ns00n> ateves: Hey alex
[01:15] <m0ns00n> :-)
[01:15] <Riddell> mhale: I would
[01:16] <m0ns00n> ateves: This is what you do, you start by installing the cd to harddisk, then you boot from harddisk :-P
[01:20] <PieD> I've got some small problems with the OpenOffice included in ubuntu/kubuntu :
[01:20] <PieD> 1- the gtk icons look ugly ! Is there a package including KDE icons for OOo 1.1 ?
[01:21] <PieD> 2- I'm using it in french, and the special characters in the menu doesn't appear since I upgraded OpenOffice
[01:22] <PieD> Do you know how to fix it ?
[01:23] <PieD> (Since neither OpenOffice 2 nor OpenOffice 1.1.5 is released, it is "impossible" to use KOffice : the readers for OASIS documents aren't installable by everybody)
[01:25] <paines> PieD: you could install a gtk-engines2-germaik or qrmixmap theem
[01:25] <paines> theme
[01:25] <PieD> it will change the icons ?
[01:25] <paines> so gtk / gnome like apps would look like kde ones
[01:25] <paines> yes
[01:25] <PieD> the icons in OOo ?
[01:25] <paines> iirc, it should
[01:26] <Riggzy_Linux> Hmm, whats the easiest way tog et Tux Racer on here? ;-)
[01:26] <PieD> paines: sorry, it doesn't :/
[01:27] <paines> really ?
[01:27] <paines> hmm
[01:27] <paines> cause xchat e.g. looks very kdeish with gtk-engines-geramik
[01:27] <paines> and firefox too
[01:27] <PieD> xchat and firefox are gtk apps
[01:27] <PieD> openoffice is ...
[01:27] <PieD> openoffice
[01:27] <paines> have you changed the gtk theme with gtk-theme-switch(2)
[01:27] <PieD> it isn't a gtk app at all :/
[01:28] <PieD> yes I did
[01:28] <PieD> it apply on synaptic
[01:28] <PieD> but OpenOffice don't care about that
[01:28] <paines> well, wich toolkit is oo using ?
[01:28] <PieD> their own toolkit
[01:28] <PieD> SAL or something like that (System Abstraction Layer)
[01:30] <paines> and if you install openoffice.org-gtk-gnome
[01:30] <paines> plugin
[01:31] <Riggzy_Linux> is there an apt-get package for tux racer?
[01:32] <PieD> don't install tuxracer
[01:32] <Riggzy_Linux> heheh
[01:32] <PieD> tuxracer is to be forgotten since it is not free yet
[01:32] <PieD> only the old release are free
[01:32] <PieD> yet, use ppracer !
[01:33] <PieD> paines: openoffice ignores the changes...
[01:34] <Riggzy_Linux> PieD - lol, thanks
[01:34] <PieD> ppracer provides debian packages
[01:34] <PieD> and they work on kubuntu
[01:34] <Pie-maker> this is the link to ppracer http://projects.planetpenguin.de/racer/index.php
[01:34] <Riggzy_Linux> yep
[01:34] <Riggzy_Linux> thats what I'm downlaoding now
[01:35] <Riggzy_Linux> May as well get my moneys worth out of this IRC ;-) what do I need to change in the grub config for it to boot into Winblows as default?
[01:36] <PieD> in the first lines
[01:36] <PieD> default         0
[01:36] <PieD> => either you set it to the position of your windows entry
[01:37] <PieD> either you move your windows entry to the first position
[01:37] <Riggzy_Linux> does the chainloader=+1 mean anything?
[01:37] <PieD> ho yes
[01:38] <PieD> it is necessary to start windows
[01:38] <PieD> chainloader *=* +1 ??
[01:38] <PieD> I believed it was chainloader +1
[01:38] <Riggzy_Linux> lol noep sorry
[01:38] <Riggzy_Linux> typo
[01:40] <Riggzy_Linux> somy entries are [ linux]  [linux]  [linux]  [divider]  [windows]  so default is 4
[02:06] <Riggzy_Linux> Does ubuntu have antive NTFS read support?
[02:06] <Riggzy_Linux> becuase i just mounted an NTFS partition, and whenever I try to cd to it i get an access denied
[02:07] <PieD> yes, it has
[02:07] <PieD> but how did you mount the partition ?
[02:07] <PieD> did you read the ubuntu wiki ?
[02:07] <Riggzy_Linux> nope... *looks at his feet in shame*
[02:07] <Riggzy_Linux> lol
[02:11] <Jo3bCoOl> hi all
[02:11] <Jo3bCoOl> I have a question
[02:12] <Jo3bCoOl> how come there are no games with kubuntu?
[02:29] <petra> Hello @all
[02:30] <petra> IYesterday I installed kubuntu and have now a maasive Problem
[02:30] <petra> I can't start the user how is in sudoers
[02:31] <petra> when kde try to start I get the message that there is a permission problem with .ICE-Authority
[02:32] <petra> and kde dont start. So I dont have any root access now
[02:32] <petra> ccan someone help? Or I have to reinstall the system?
[02:33] <petra> uncredible- its a fresh installation and have imidiatly such problems
[02:35] <petra> no one here how could help??
[03:02] <Riggzy_Linux> How could i get the nVidia drivers for Ubuntu?
[03:03] <seth_k> sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:03] <seth_k> and you're done
[03:04] <seth_k> just paste that whole line into a terminal and press enter
[03:04] <Riggzy_Linux> cheers
[03:04] <Riggzy_Linux> err
[03:04] <Riggzy_Linux> aptitude wants to remove 50 really base-level things
[03:04] <Riggzy_Linux> like gcc
[03:05] <Riggzy_Linux> and kubuntu-desktio
[03:05] <Riggzy_Linux> desktop*
[03:06] <Riggzy_Linux> same when I do apt-get -f install
[03:06] <Riggzy_Linux> wants to delete everything
[03:08] <Riggzy_Linux> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:08] <Riggzy_Linux>   libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13) but 2.3.2.ds1-22 is installed
[03:08] <Riggzy_Linux>   libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13) but 2.3.2.ds1-22 is installed
[03:08] <Riggzy_Linux>   locales: Depends: glibc-2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13
[03:08] <Riggzy_Linux> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[03:08] <Riggzy_Linux> oh cripes sorry
[03:09] <seth_k> Yep, use http://kubuntu.pastebin.com for big pastes please ;)
[03:10] <seth_k> Riggzy_Linux, have you used some non-Ubuntu repositories?
[03:10] <Riggzy_Linux> I have no friggin idea ;-)
[03:11] <Riggzy_Linux> do i need to install libc6 2.3.2.dsl-20ubuntu13?
[03:11] <seth_k> that shouldn't be necessary, it's an older version
[03:12] <seth_k> okay, if you have no idea you probably haven't ;)
[03:12] <Riggzy_Linux> lol
[03:12] <apow> apt-get update?
[03:12] <Riggzy_Linux> what do I need to do to stop apt-get wanting to delete everything?
[03:14] <Riggzy_Linux> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/316206   pretty much sms it up
[03:16] <seth_k> well, apt is doing you a favour for the most part, why do you need all those dev packages?
[03:16] <seth_k> as for the locales, something must be conflicting
[03:17] <Riggzy_Linux> seth_k, good point but why does it want to remove ubuntu_base?
[03:17] <seth_k> the locales and language base
[03:17] <seth_k> ubuntu base deps on those
[03:19] <Riggzy_Linux> ah I see what happened
[03:20] <Riggzy_Linux> I downloaded libc6 from a debian repository
[03:21] <rockinnerdaway> Riggzy_Linux, dont do debs, they can seriously screw up some stuff
[03:21] <Riggzy_Linux> ...as I have just found out *shakes head*
[03:23] <Riggzy_Linux> gues I'm gonna have to format and stand over, on my second day, rofl
[03:23] <Riggzy_Linux> start*
[03:24] <seth_k> OY
[03:24] <seth_k> yep, there's your problem indeed
[03:24] <Riggzy_Linux> heheh
[03:25] <seth_k> Riggzy_Linux, you can force installation of the older package
[03:25] <seth_k> and that will save you
[03:25] <seth_k> check /etc/apt/sources.list against this one:
[03:25] <Riggzy_Linux> how? i tried aptitude with the older version and it still wants to banish everything
[03:25] <seth_k> ?? sources.list
[03:25] <kinfo> [sources.list]  example /etc/apt/sources.list with all official repositories plus KDE 3.4.1 and Koffice 1.4 from kubuntu.org can be found at: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/303802
[03:25] <seth_k> go to http://packages.ubuntu.com and search for libc6, download the hoary version and force-install it with apt-get
[03:26] <seth_k> then you should be okay
[03:26] <Riggzy_Linux> how do you isntall local files with apt-get?
[03:26] <seth_k> s/apt-get/dpkg
[03:26] <seth_k> sorry
[03:34] <|rockinnerd|> Riggzy_Linux, you can use dpkg
[03:34] <|rockinnerd|> iirc
[03:34] <Riggzy_Linux> so I need to do sudo dpkg --force-all blahblah.deb?
[03:35] <nikkia> Riggzy_Linux: you need -i before blahblah.deb
[03:35] <Riggzy_Linux> ok
[03:36] <Riggzy_Linux> hoorah
[03:36] <Riggzy_Linux> ;-)
[03:36] <epiloc> anyone know whats up with undernet?
[03:36] <Riggzy_Linux> cheers
[03:37] <seth_k> good, it worked?
[03:37] <nikkia> you're just lucky dpkg didn't get broken by installing a broken libc :P
[03:37] <Riggzy_Linux> :P
[03:37] <Riggzy_Linux> and now aptget is installing 4 more debian packages that could have screwed me up
[03:37] <Riggzy_Linux> uninstalllnig* even!!
[03:39] <nikkia> you would do something that required a new lib version, but ldconfig would fail, and trash your ld.so.cache, which would then mean ldconfig couldn't find libc to do anything :)
[03:39] <|rockinnerd|> Riggzy_Linux, remove the debian sources in synaptic
[03:44] <seth_k> |rockinnerd|, I had him do that earlier
[03:44] <|rockinnerd|> ah.
[03:45] <seth_k> I think he meant uninstalling
[03:45] <seth_k> :P
[03:45] <|rockinnerd|> ah.
[03:45] <seth_k> |rockinnerd|, /join #ubuntu-meeting
[03:45] <seth_k> you'll be able to get a feel for the Membership process
[03:45] <seth_k> meeting is in 15 minutes
[03:47] <Riggzy_Linux> crikey... ppracer needs libSDL... and libSDL needs, like, 10 other things ;-)
[04:30] <danne> any now what the "photoshop" program is called in linux?
[04:30] <seth_k> gimp
[04:30] <danne> thx
[04:30] <danne> :D
[04:30] <seth_k> np
[04:38] <danne> what is tha konsole word if i want to install something
[04:39] <danne> noone ?
[04:39] <danne> plz i need some help here:D
[04:39] <danne> imp-get?
[04:40] <danne> amp-get?
[04:40] <seth_k> apt-get
[04:40] <damyan_> apt-get install package_anem
[04:40] <danne> thx
[04:40] <seth_k> actually use aptitude
[04:40] <danne> ok ok
[04:40] <seth_k> instead of apt-get
[04:40] <damyan_> dselect, synaptic
[04:40] <danne> ok
[04:40] <danne> thx
[04:51] <teprrr> wajig rocks :)
[05:14] <danne> what is the name to move a file
[05:14] <_sven> hello. i just installed my first kubuntu... but what is the root password?
[05:15] <Nibbler> danne: mv
[05:15] <seth_k> there is no root password
[05:15] <seth_k> !rootsudo
[05:15] <ubotu> rumour has it, rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:15] <danne> go to konsole and then you write kdesu yourname then press enter
[05:16] <Nibbler> alrite, thanks a lot
[05:19] <Edvardas> hello
[05:19] <danne> hi
[05:19] <yoz> hi guys.. seems my touchpad doesn't work properly.. if I touch it it doesn't klick usual but does a right click.. any clue where to configure it?
[05:20] <Nibbler> ahhh, sudo -s
[05:20] <Edvardas> how to install *.bz2 or *.tgz files? (i extract them, then type in konsole configure, but at the the end of cheking everytime it says that i'm missing smth - what's the problem?) 
[05:22] <Nibbler> install whatever it is missing, our use configure parameters to tell the package not to include XXX
[05:22] <yoz> anyone an idea here?
[05:22] <Edvardas> thnx Nibbler 
[05:23] <lnfern0> buenas
[05:25] <Nibbler> !tvtime
[05:25] <ubotu> Nibbler: I haven't a clue
[05:27] <Nibbler> :( how can i run a tv-application etc?
[05:31] <Nibbler> i cant apt-get any tv-application :|
[05:32] <bbailey> tvtime is in universe
[05:33] <Nibbler> which means that...?
[05:34] <bbailey> If you have the universe repositories enabled, you can apt-get install tvtime
[05:34] <bbailey> there should be two lines you can uncomment in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:34] <Nibbler> ah ok thanks
[05:34] <bbailey> no idea what the "preferred" way of enabling it is
[05:34] <Edvardas> one more quest.: when i run superkaramba0.37RC1.deb (or smth) it writes that it depends on some other apps or libs. What to do?
[05:35] <Nibbler> updating apt-cache now. any tv-application would do, but i did not find any :)
[05:35] <hotte-> hi where i can change my screensice in kde?
[05:35] <Nibbler> Edvardas: use apt to isntall the packages, and it resolves the dependencys automatically
[06:07] <_stef> I want to install an old scanner but cant find an entry in controlcenter on liveCD i was able to do this but now I'm not
[06:09] <_stef> anyone here who can help me with this issue??
[06:10] <|rockinnerd|> _stef: have you installed SANE?
[06:11] <_stef> yes 
[06:11] <|rockinnerd|> check the ubuntu wiki maybe
[06:11] <|rockinnerd|> wiki.ubuntu,cin
[06:11] <|rockinnerd|> oops
[06:11] <|rockinnerd|> wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:12] <nikkia> stef, boot livecd, check what modules are loaded, boot installed version, modprobe missing modules, presto :)
[06:12] <_stef> I had a look but couldnt find a useful hint
[06:17] <Edvardas> am i able to upgrade a package with apt?
[06:17] <seth_k> sure, sudo aptitude upgrade will upgrade all packages for which there are newer versions
[06:18] <teprrr> wajig upgrade too :)
[06:18] <teprrr> and it uses sudo automatically ;)
[06:18] <Edvardas> wajig?
[06:19] <seth_k> !info wajig
[06:19] <ubotu> wajig: (Simplified Debian package management front end), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 2.0.17-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 364 kB
[06:19] <seth_k> ;)
[06:20] <mikec> i'm new to irc where and how do i register my name
[06:21] <Edvardas> i have a problem installing superkaramba
[06:21] <Edvardas> Unpacking superkaramba (from superkaramba_0.37-RC1-1_i386.deb) ...
[06:21] <Edvardas> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of superkaramba:
[06:21] <Edvardas>  superkaramba depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21); however:
[06:21] <Edvardas>   Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13.
[06:21] <Edvardas> this is what i get
[06:21] <Edvardas> when i try to instal it
[06:21] <seth_k> that is not an Ubuntu package
[06:21] <seth_k> you cannot install it
[06:21] <seth_k> mikec, /msg NickServ REGISTER <yourpasswordhere>
[06:21] <Edvardas> superkaramba?
[06:21] <seth_k> !info superkaramba
[06:21] <ubotu> superkaramba: (A program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 0.35-2ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 440 kB, Installed size: 1356 kB
[06:22] <seth_k> .35-2 is in Ubuntu
[06:22] <seth_k> that .37 package is a Debian unstable package
[06:22] <seth_k> and not suitable for use with Ubuntu
[06:22] <Edvardas> mhm
[06:22] <seth_k> if you need the latest version, you can either get it from backports
[06:22] <seth_k> or compile it yourself using "checkinstall"
[06:22] <seth_k> !info checkinstall
[06:22] <ubotu> checkinstall: (installation tracker), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.5.3-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 132 kB
[06:22] <Edvardas> thanks
[06:24] <Edvardas> one more thing :)
[06:24] <Edvardas> i installed kwin-baghira
[06:24] <Edvardas> but i cannot find it
[06:24] <Edvardas> where it installed
[06:25] <poutine> !coc
[06:25] <ubotu> I heard coc is the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/
[06:35] <gigaclon> uhhh
[06:36] <gigaclon> I have install both the JRE from java.sun.com and via synaptic and Firefox still can't find it
[06:41] <poutine> is the java plugin is your firefox plugin dir?
[06:43] <gigaclon> no it installed to where synaptic installs stuff
[06:44] <poutine> I wish people would use more original names for their software
[06:44] <gigaclon> example?
[06:44] <poutine> synaptic
[06:45] <mikec> why after down loading anything i can't get it installed
[06:46] <poutine> well, I'm not an ubuntu or kubuntu man, but all I know is you need a symlink for the java plugin in your firefox dir
[06:47] <poutine> lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel     62 Jun 17 15:01 libjavaplugin_oji.so -> /usr/local/jdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[06:47] <poutine> something like that
[06:47] <gigaclon> !symlink
[06:47] <ubotu> I don't know, gigaclon
[06:48] <|rockinnerd|> gigaclon: wiki.ubuntu.com/java
[06:48] <seth_k> that page sucks after kbrooks butchered it though :(
[06:48] <poutine> so... kubuntu is just ubuntu with kde?
[06:48] <seth_k> poutine, yes. It's just marketing
[06:48] <|rockinnerd|> yep
[06:49] <teprrr> hmm, can I get full path with ps?
[06:49] <poutine> Don't you all see a problem with a fact that ubuntu/kubuntu rely on malware/virus writers not to be smart enough to do sudo su?
[06:51] <poutine> sudo bash whatever
[06:51] <pv_> This is no different from using a sniffed root password.
[06:51] <poutine> sniffed from what?
[06:52] <pv_> By the malware, of course.
[06:52] <poutine> if you're transmitting your root password over plaintext, you deserve to be rooted
[06:52] <poutine> pv_: well it needs "transmitted" to be sniffed
[06:52] <poutine> and that's why we have ssh2
[06:52] <pv_> No, but if you have malware running on your machine, and log in with e.g. "su", it can (at least try) to sniff the password.
[06:52] <poutine> nope
[06:53] <poutine> it'd require root privs to do that
[06:53] <pv_> Not necessarily. It can hook a keyboard listener to X.
[06:53] <poutine> or... it *could* modify your PATH env to include their version of su before yours
[06:54] <poutine> There's been a separation of privileges (and in most smart cases, passwords) in UNIX, UNIX-like, and UNIX derived systems for decades for a reason
[06:55] <pv_> Yes, and sudo is not really different from "su", apart from the fact that it can be configured to use the user password.
[06:55] <pv_> And not every user is treated as "admin" by sudo.
[06:55] <|rockinnerd|> Because "Failed to execute gpg: Broken pipe", you may need to select different mail options.
[06:55] <poutine> neither would proper groups and suid bits
[06:55] <|rockinnerd|> ^^ i was sending an email in Evolution GPG encrypted, and i got this error
[06:56] <pv_> I do not see what you refer to with groups and suid bits. Yes, some services can be configured to be administred by a designated non-root user, but not all.
[06:57] <|rockinnerd|> nvr mind
[06:57] <poutine> pv_: well, essentially by introducing sudo, you're introducing more unnecessary software into the loop and more points of failure
[06:58] <poutine> linux already has an owner/group/user ACL system, and a suid system
[06:59] <pv_> One point of failure, actually, and I do not think it is much worse than letting an user run "su".
[07:00] <pv_> Of course, writing completely safe sudoers file can be difficult.
[07:01] <teprrr> btw, why umlauts doesn't work in konsole?
[07:19] <teprrr> hmm, actually they works in local console and in remote connections but not in irssi which runs on remote machine
[07:22] <teprrr> oh, and I see when I type them myself :)
[07:22] <teprrr> or ughjah,
[07:49] <leonAaAaA> How do I install ubuntu from kubuntu? is it possible?
[07:49] <kalenedrael> yeah, i think so
[07:49] <kalenedrael> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:49] <leonAaAaA> cool thanks
[07:59] <gigaclon> hey in Konversation is there a way to only display the nickname?
[08:00] <stibby> did you check for the option in the settings/options place?
[08:00] <stibby> you want to disable timestamps
[08:01] <stibby> settings -> Configure Konversation...
[08:01] <gigaclon> the time stamps are fiine
[08:01] <gigaclon> in the nick name list
[08:01] <gigaclon> show only the nick name not the name in ()
[08:06] <stibby> oh
[08:06] <stibby> i thought you meant the main chat window
[08:06] <stibby> its probably in the options, somewhere
[08:14] <supernix> Is it just me or is the Thunderbird Email client spam filter not working
[08:25] <Fraeon> It's just you
[08:25] <Fraeon> Or maybe it's the fact that I haven't been using TB
[08:29] <F_for_Fragging> If I want to uninstall Kaffeine in Kynaptic, Kynaptic insists that kubuntu-desktop is uninstalled as well. Is it safe to remove kubuntu-desktop? I want to use KMplayer instead of Kaffeine
[08:32] <teprrr> yes it's safe, like the description says
[08:32] <teprrr> check 'apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop'
[08:35] <F_for_Fragging> ok, thank you
[08:43] <pax> what's that gkt2 debian clearlooks called?
[08:44] <pax> is it clear-ice debian?
[08:55] <supernix> the kinfo center says that I only have 19mb free memory is that bad ?
[08:56] <nmorse> F_for_Fragging: You can have both media players installed, and kcontrol lets you adjust which is used by default to play media files
[08:56] <nmorse> Says the man half an hour later
[09:05] <Riggzy_Linux> Uh oh - I just managed tog et my wacom working, but now... my mouse won't work! :D
[09:08] <Riggzy_Linux> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/316439  ther's my xorg.conf
[09:18] <trinidad> any one have an idea when the nvidia drivers are going to be available through apt-get
[09:19] <F_for_Fragging> nmorse: thanks
[09:22] <nikkia> Riggzy_Linux: i never managed to get my wacom working with any linux properly, the closest i got was X/Y positions, and pressure, but tilt was inverted *shrug*
[09:23] <Riggzy_Linux> nikkia, search the ubuntu wiki for wacom, its called the quick n dirty method
[09:23] <nikkia> don't have a tablet anymore
[09:23] <Riggzy_Linux> (the article)
[09:23] <Riggzy_Linux> ah. lol
[09:23] <nikkia> left it behind when i moved from the US
[09:26] <seth_k> trinidad, they already are
[09:26] <seth_k> trinidad, sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[09:27] <Riggzy_Linux> Anyone see why my PS/2 mouse aint working any more? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/316439
[09:49] <ray_> i need help
[09:49] <jpatrick> with what?
[09:49] <Dhraakellian> don't ask to ask; just ask
[09:49] <ray_> every time before i run enemy-territory i have to run this command <pre class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ; margin: 0px; padding: 6px; width: 640px; height: 34px; overflow: auto;">echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" &gt; /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss</pre>
[09:50] <ray_> wait
[09:50] <jpatrick> don't paste any more
[09:50] <ralph1> Hi all
[09:50] <ray_> echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" &gt; /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss</pre>        just this
[09:50] <ray_> is there a perminent fix
[09:51] <ralph1> seth_k: Hi finally got Hoary installed and running
[09:51] <seth_k> ralph1, good to hear it
[09:52] <Riggzy_Linux> hmm, DVD playback suddenly started getting a bit jumpy.. any ideas why?
[09:52] <ray_> jpatrick: why cant i paste?
[09:52] <jpatrick> if it's long...
[09:53] <Dhraakellian> ray_, and it looks like it's in html, which could be a tad annoying
[09:53] <jpatrick> ubuntu.pastebin.com I think the site is
[09:53] <ray_> jpatrick: it wasn't supposed to be that long i screwed up
[09:53] <Dhraakellian> yeah, 3 lines is probably the most you want to paste into IRC
[09:53] <Riggzy_Linux> kubuntu.pastebin.com
[09:53] <seth_k> ray_, we encourage pastebin use for anything over 4 lines. So your little pastes are fine
[09:53] <Dhraakellian> and that can be pushing it
[09:54] <ralph1> seth_k: It was not easy thou, seems the cd that I had done other installs was corrupt, and the new 5.04.3 iso I downloaded was also corrupt, so I did a third iso download of 5.04 and that worked I managed to update to kde 3.4.1 but it seems koffice 1.4 is broken
[09:54] <ray_> anybody else have sound problems with enemy-territory
[09:56] <nikkia> grr, firefox is really starting to annoy me now :/
[09:56] <ray_> nikkia: why?
[09:56] <nikkia> every time i go back or forward in the history, Xorg's CPU usage jumps to 99.8%
[09:56] <nikkia> is firefox rendering the whole page to an offscreen pixmap ??
[09:57] <Dhraakellian> heh
[09:57] <Dhraakellian> I don't even have Firefox installed
[09:57] <Dhraakellian> what with all the gnome dependencies
[09:58] <nikkia> Dhraakellian: given that neither of my banks works with konqueror, nor do many of the web forums i read...
[09:58] <nikkia> and no, changing the UA isn't enough
[09:58] <Dhraakellian> nikkia, given that I just installed kubuntu on sunday...
[10:00] <|rockinnerd|> hey all
[10:01] <ray_> hello
[10:05] <mats> so...
[10:06] <mats> just seen irreversible.. sick movie :O
[10:08] <Bubbling_Zombie> quite boring movie if you ask me
[10:09] <mats> what? irreverisble was a god damn good movie :)
[10:10] <Bubbling_Zombie> it was kind of "let's shock people, let's do some fancy camerawork & plottwists & incoherent timeflows . Who needs a story anyway"
[10:10] <Bubbling_Zombie> imo ofcourse -_-
[10:11] <mats> I love movies who does that kind of camera-trick. soo booring to see hollywoodmovies all the time. I think the story was fanamonal :D
[10:12] <|rockinnerd|> gaaaaaawd i love the Text effect plugin for kopete
[10:12] <_ethan> caaan some one be so kind to help me install the fasttrack gift for apollon
[10:12] <_ethan> ?
[10:13] <Bubbling_Zombie> it had one redeeming factor 
[10:13] <Bubbling_Zombie> monica ^-^
[10:13] <mats> (-: 
[10:14] <mats> did you like requim for a dream then? Almost the same camera-trick with another story ;)
[10:15] <jpatrick> bye bye
[10:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> yeah. I liked that movie a lot.
[10:15] <mats> thats good :) 
[10:15] <_ethan> can some1 help me?
[10:16] <Bubbling_Zombie> _ethan, we'll try, try telling us your problem xD
[10:16] <mats> iv never done that before - but im sure that its a readme-file with it ;)
[10:17] <_ethan> i would like to install the fasttrack gift for apollon
[10:17] <mats> is there anything during the install you cant understand or something, maybe we can help
[10:17] <_ethan> E: Couldn't find package libfassttrack-gift
[10:17] <mats> i would think download it: ./configure ; make ; su make install :)
[10:18] <_ethan> i am a noob bye the way its my 3rd day with linux
[10:18] <_ethan> sudo apt-get install libfassttrack-gift
[10:18] <_ethan> that is what i typed in the terminal
[10:19] <_ethan> well libfasttrack w/o 2 s's
[10:19] <mats> apt-cache search gift then.. 
[10:20] <_ethan> it never finds the one i want
[10:20] <_ethan> fasttrack is the kazaa server i believe
[10:21] <_ethan> do i have to mess with something in the sources.list?
[10:22] <mats> are you trying to install gift?
[10:23] <_ethan> ok i have already installed apollon
[10:23] <_ethan> i have the openFT gift and the 
[10:23] <_ethan> gnutella gift
[10:24] <_ethan> i wanted to install the fasttrack gift
[10:24] <_ethan> for the Kazaa network
[10:25] <_ethan> ??ne1
[10:26] <mats> i have no idea.. try the apollon web-page :) or google for the problem.
[10:26] <_ethan> i did couldn't find anything
[10:26] <_ethan> i guess i'll figure it out later
[10:27] <mats> sorry, dont use p2p-programs..
[10:28] <_ethan> well thx
[10:28] <_ethan> neway
[10:28] <mats> good lock ;) 
[10:28] <mats> luck
[10:28] <mats> hmf, sorry :p
[10:28] <_ethan> lol thx
[10:30] <mats> now its time for a Marlboro :D
[10:32] <Riggzy_Linux> .me adds to his todo list - "JHymn all iTunes music and add to shared partition"
[10:34] <mats> :)
[10:46] <othernoob> mats: how much do you pay for a pack of cigs?
[10:48] <mats> othernoob: here in norway i pay between 6 too 7 euros 
[10:56] <gigaclon> how do I make symlinks?
[10:56] <gigaclon> need to link the JRE in the firefox plugin directory
[10:56] <seth_k> symlink is "ln -s"
[10:57] <gigaclon> can you do it in Konq?
[10:57] <ralph1> I just finished a install of Hoary and a upgrade of kde to 3.4.1. I am looking for recent versions of Kmymoney2 and gramps. Kmymoney2 in universe is version 0.64, I need at least version 0.7.3 and gramps is at version 1.08 and I need 2.05. Can someone help?
[10:57] <mats> gigaclon: no
[10:58] <sedeki> where can i download Qt-designer?
[11:00] <mats> like to KDE?
[11:01] <sedeki> yes
[11:01] <mats> no idea :op sorry.. try google for kde themes :)
[11:02] <sedeki> mats I ment the program Qt-designer. I can't find the download anywhere
[11:02] <othernoob> mats: 7 euro for ~20 cigs?
[11:03] <mats> othernoob: yes.. most of it is taxes :((((
[11:03] <othernoob> mats: same here.. i think it's at 5  now.. no idea though, haven't bought already made cigs in 3 years
[11:04] <othernoob> mats: i pay 2 for 30 cigs :) but have to make em myself
[11:05] <mats> ooh, i want to buy cigs for that cost too ;)
[11:05] <gigaclon> where does firefox install?
[11:05] <mats> gigaclon: type "updatedb; locate firefox" ;)
[11:06] <othernoob> mats: i'm sure you'd like to ;)
[11:06] <_StarScream> hi guys, i'm running breezy and my X is now working thanks to the latest update...but kdm seems to be playing up (it was working before)
[11:06] <othernoob> mats: would you happen to know a norwegian band called gate?
[11:06] <_StarScream> i can't seem to even find the kdm binary
[11:07] <mats> othernoob: do you mean "gte" =) ?
[11:07] <moerje> hello
[11:08] <Fraeon> Stargte :O
[11:08] <othernoob> mats: yea, don't have the  on my keyboard ;)
[11:08] <othernoob> mats: would you happen to know some other norwegian bands like them? i like their music :)
[11:09] <mats> othernoob: ;) hehe, i thought soo :) do you like that band? Its old norwegian music with some metal in it :p
[11:09] <othernoob> mats: i've heard them on gotham-radio and her voice is beautiful
[11:09] <mats> othernoob: windir.. but that band is a little more metal. Gte is the one and only in norway...
[11:09] <mats> nice :)
[11:10] <gigaclon> then what mats
[11:11] <mats> gigaclon: didnt you got an answer?
[11:11] <mats> damn, im tired
[11:11] <gigaclon> I trying to get java to work in firefox
[11:11] <supernix> how accurate is the kinfocenter ?
[11:12] <supernix> so far it says I only have 16mb free physical ram
[11:12] <gigaclon> installed the JRE twice from different sources
[11:12] <mats> supernix: try free -m
[11:12] <mats> then you can see for your self
[11:12] <mats> ;)
[11:12] <mats> gigaclon: tryed to restart firefox?
[11:13] <supernix> ah it still says 16mb
[11:13] <mats> supernix: you need to look at -/+ buffers/cache:
[11:14] <supernix> ah that says 270mb
[11:14] <mats> ;)
[11:14] <supernix> what does that 270 mean if the physical says 16mb ?
[11:14] <mats> trying to install wow on my computer now.. with cedega :)
[11:14] <gigaclon> yeah
[11:15] <supernix> wait what is wow ?
[11:15] <bbailey> world of warcraft?
[11:16] <mats> world of warcraft
[11:16] <mats> yes
[11:16] <mats> havnt tried it before
[11:19] <dgtl> hi everyone
[11:21] <dgtl> anyone know where kdevelop is located in kynaptic?
[11:22] <othernoob> dgtl: no, but did you try to use the search?
[11:22] <apokryphos> dgtl: it's in Universe
[11:22] <dgtl> heh... ehm no i didn't know it existed a search in kynaptic
[11:23] <apokryphos> it does; I think it's under Edit or something
[11:23] <dgtl> apokryphos: ok... do i need to change anything?
[11:23] <apokryphos> dgtl: if you don't have the Universe repository enabled, you will have to by editing /etc/apt/sources.list See the kudos guide for exactly what to do
[11:23] <apokryphos> !kudos
[11:23] <ubotu> I guess kudos is at Multi-page: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf.html Single-page (large): http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ by Chua Wen Kiat
[11:23] <dgtl> ok
[11:23] <dgtl> thanks
[11:25] <_StarScream> anyone else using breezy atm?
[11:28] <mats> im using a robber
[11:31] <apokryphos> Breezy on one computer, yeah. It's a week old version though, apparently when very few things were broken
[11:36] <_StarScream> apokryphos: ah crap....X is working ..but i got no kdm...can't find xinit and startx seems absent too
[11:37] <apokryphos> _StarScream: you shouldn't be running it :P
[11:37] <apokryphos> They've had X-related problems for some time in breezy
[11:38] <apokryphos> I think they might intentionally leave them to stop normal users using it yet ;-)
[11:38] <_StarScream> apokryphos: yeh i know..but they wouldn't put 2.6.12 in hoary..and i wanted my ibook to sleep
[11:39] <ralph1> Does anyone know where I can download Kmymoney2 version 0.7.3 or 0.7.4?  The version in universe is 0.6.4. My data files were made with version 0.7.3.
[11:39] <_StarScream> but then 2.6.12 didn't actually get that either
[11:40] <_StarScream> ralph1: is kmymoney good? i've been meaning to try it
[11:42] <ralph1> _StarScream: Yes it is very good, good importing from Quicken and Gnucash. Only features missing is budgeting and some printing stuff which are schedualed for version 1.0. It is under heavy development, and developers are very helpful.
[11:43] <_StarScream> ralph1: excelent. will have to give it a go then. I find gnucash a bit too complex.
[11:43] <_StarScream> and its gtk1 which is just horrible
[11:45] <ralph1> _StarScream: Latest version is 0.7.4 which is close to the 0.8 version they are working mostly bug fixes and documentation now.
[11:46] <apokryphos> You'll need to compile if it's not in the repositories
[11:47] <gigaclon> how do i take screenshots?
[11:48] <mats> import 
[11:48] <apokryphos> gigaclon: alt + F2 -> ksnapshot
[11:49] <_StarScream> ralph1: what functions is it missing from say quicken? 
[11:51] <_StarScream> ralph1: aside from budgeting and printing..anything else
[11:56] <ralph1> _StarScream: Have not used Quicken in a very long time. But from the devel list, Printing is number one area, only reports have printing enabled, if your on-line banking uses a secure server between you and the bank you are out of luck, budgeting is still missing schedualed for version 1.0 or latter,  qif and ofx imports pretty much work out of box, if you are in Germany HBCI is there but takes extra dependencies, same guy who did 
[11:58] <ralph1> _StarScream: Qif and Ofx import might take some fideling with import filters because of wide variance in the standards if you can call it a standard. Developers are very helpful thou.