[12:02] <Burgundavia> mdke, we just probably add a section to UserDocumentation called "working with other OSes
[12:02] <|rockinnerd|> yes
[12:02] <Burgundavia> as there are some other howtos for dealing with macos
[12:02] <mdke> might be worth thinking about merging this page into that guide? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[12:02] <Burgundavia> and the RecoveringUbuntu one
[12:02] <|rockinnerd|> I dual-boot windows and Ubuntu, so i can test stuff in windows
[12:03] <Burgundavia> mdke, that topic is worth its own wiki page
[12:03] <Burgundavia> might be good to have a promient link off of dualboot,though
[12:03] <mdke> Burgundavia, guess so, but the two pages could be integrated somehow
[12:03] <|rockinnerd|> whoops i repeated myself on the QTparted thing
[12:03] <ChristopherCmoli> ^^wikiname
[12:05] <ChristopherCmoli> oops its christophercmolik
[12:05] <|rockinnerd|> --- My feedback on today's WinXP Home + Ubuntu (warty) live together (on an Amilo L1300 if that matters): This section and below looks ugly
[12:06] <Burgundavia> remove all the comments and integrate them into the text
[12:08] <mdke> me too
[12:08] <|rockinnerd|> wish i could be
[12:08] <mdke> i think i will need it again soon for work
[12:09] <mdke> sell it!
[12:10] <Burgundavia> I am getting rid of mine
[12:10] <Burgundavia> all in one means crap for all
[12:11] <|rockinnerd|> any AIOs that work well with linux?
[12:11] <mdke> ciao enrico :)
[12:11] <|rockinnerd|> i'm on a, er, tight budget
[12:13] <enrico> hi
[12:13] <|rockinnerd|> We should delete this page, and split it up into Windows 2k, Windows XP, and Windows 9x/ME, because all of this info is jumbled together, and slightly confusing
[12:15] <|rockinnerd|> b/c all of the 3 methods vary depending on one of the 3 oses
[12:15] <|rockinnerd|> s/oses/os groups
[12:16] <Burgundavia> the HP everything-is-crap work with linux
[12:16] <Burgundavia> HP is actually funding development for htem
[12:17] <Burgundavia> |rockinnerd|, can that be done within a single page, with sections?
[12:17] <|rockinnerd|> that works too.  Is there anyway to tell who the main developer of this page is?
[12:18] <Burgundavia> you are now
[12:18] <Burgundavia> wiki pages "belong" to nobody
[12:19] <|rockinnerd|>  I intend to finish this once I receive my official Ubuntu CD's, which I will use to do a fresh install.  <== who is this "i"? i wonder...
[12:20] <Burgundavia> no idea
[12:22] <|rockinnerd|> yep.
[12:22] <|rockinnerd|> Disclaimer @ top of page: I intend to split up the page into 3 main groups: Win2k, because it seems different than XP, WinXP, and Win9x/ME Also, the errors will be put into another section of this page. So: Pardon our dust, but remodel we must.
[12:24] <mdke> go ahead and wreak havoc
[12:24] <mdke> that "i intend to finish this" has been there for months iirc
[12:24] <mdke> btw I reckon you might find a couple of guides which are helpful for content on the forum
[12:26] <|rockinnerd|> thx mdke
[12:26] <mdke> np
[12:27] <mdke> also
[12:27] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forum/installation/Partitioning
[12:28] <|rockinnerd|> as ive said, i dual-boot XP and Ubuntu, so i kinda know how to partition.  I will still look @ that link though mdke
[12:28] <mdke> |rockinnerd|, just saves effort to use existing guides, I'm not suggesting you don't know how to do it. Much of our work here at docteam is using material that is already available
[12:30] <|rockinnerd|> ah.
[12:30] <|rockinnerd|> didn't think you were suggesting though. thanks for the heads-up.
[12:31] <|rockinnerd|> well, ive g2g for now.
[12:31] <|rockinnerd|> thanks for all the info
[12:46] <elle_flane> hay!!!i really want know how it could be possible to install ubuntu in a external usb hard disk, my computer hasn t internal hard disk, and i ussually works with usb  kanoppix  and start with a cd, but i would like to have ubuntu, i didnt find any driver for do it, some people know anything
[12:56] <mdke> elle_flane, no idea i'm afraid. You could ask in #ubuntu?
[01:14] <elle_flane> thanks i will try
[01:16] <Burgundavia> should I go to town on the IdeaPool?
[01:17] <Burgundavia> mdke, others?
[01:18] <mdke> Burgundavia, go right ahead but be aware that I think -devel uses that page quite a lot
[01:18] <Burgundavia> I am removing the things that are already implemented
[01:18] <Burgundavia> such as services-admin
[01:18] <Burgundavia> yast2 port?
[01:21] <Burgundavia> I want section editing
[01:21] <Burgundavia> dammit
[01:50] <|rockinnerd|> hey all
[01:51] <Burgundavia> hello again
[01:54] <|rockinnerd|> :)
[02:27] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega
[02:27] <Burgundavia> rwabel, where does one get the .deb file?
[02:29] <HrdwrBoB> from the transgaming website
[02:29] <HrdwrBoB> transgaming.ocm
[02:29] <HrdwrBoB> com
[02:29] <Burgundavia> better make that explicit
[02:29] <Burgundavia> and make it clear that Cedega is non-free
[02:29] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[02:32] <HrdwrBoB> done
[02:32] <Burgundavia> thanks
[02:32] <Burgundavia> have you ever done the cedega cvs install?
[02:33] <Burgundavia> a howto for that might be nice
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> yeah I have
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> not for some time though
[02:33] <Burgundavia> can you rough something out at CedegaCVS ?
[02:34] <HrdwrBoB> I'll see what I can rustle up
[02:34] <Burgundavia> cheers
[02:35] <HrdwrBoB> hm
[02:36] <HrdwrBoB> might just be better off linking to http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[02:36] <rwabel> Burgundavia: either through buying or trhough emule
[02:36] <rwabel> burgundavia: or torrent
[02:36] <Burgundavia> we cannot promote illegal methods
[02:36] <Burgundavia> but HrdwrBoB already fixed it up
[02:36] <rwabel> exactely, that's why I didn't put it
[02:37] <Burgundavia> but there was no mention of how to get it at all
[02:37] <Burgundavia> HrdwrBoB, sure, link to that
[02:37] <rwabel> will add that
[02:37] <rwabel> ah already done, thanks
[02:37] <rwabel> about cvs
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> yeah I just added it
[02:38] <rwabel> I've seen some french howto, I could translate if it's needed.
[02:38] <rwabel> but I've never tried that one out
[02:38] <Burgundavia> excellent
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> I followed the l-g.net instructions a while back - they seemed to work
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> I've since bought it though
[02:38] <rwabel> shall I do the howto for cvs?
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> if you like
[02:39] <rwabel> but there would be no guarantee if it's working...someone should maybe try it then
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> I think it's a tad redundant in addition to the linux-gamers.net howto
[02:39] <rwabel> HrdwrBob: have you ever tried to play fifa2005 with cedega? All my games are terrible slow via cedega
[02:40] <Burgundavia> maybe port that howto to ours
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> basically it would be a reformat and squish into a wiki
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> since it's under GFDL
[02:40] <Burgundavia> our wiki is actually dual licensed, but anyway
[02:40] <Burgundavia> not a major deal
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> rwabel: I've only played warcraft, wow, doom3, GTA:SA and far cry
[02:40] <Burgundavia> ubotu in #ubuntu now points to our wiki page
[02:40] <rwabel> doom3 via cedega? there is a native one, isn't it? how about speed?
[02:41] <HrdwrBoB> that was before native
[02:41] <rwabel> ok
[02:41] <rwabel> we could just put a link to the linux-gamers.net howto in the cedega howto. what do u think?
[02:42] <Burgundavia> already done
[02:42] <HrdwrBoB> yeah that's what I did
[02:43] <rwabel> good, thanks
[02:43] <rwabel> btw: are there any limitations?
[02:43] <rwabel> I mean in comparision to the subscription one?
[02:43] <HrdwrBoB> of CVS?
[02:43] <Burgundavia> gtg now, have fun and don't break the wiki
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> yeah it doesn't have the functions which make copy protection work
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> and is at least theoretically behind the released version
[02:44] <rwabel> you mean witht he onrmal cedega you don't need the no-cd "cracks"?
[02:44] <rwabel> mhh normally cvs is ahead releases :-)
[02:46] <HrdwrBoB> rwabel: sometimes you don't need the nocd cracks
[02:47] <rwabel> can I ask you sth about graphiccards
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> yeah shoot
[02:47] <rwabel> I've a Nvidia 6600GT and get only about 5000 fps with glxgears
[02:47] <rwabel> and all games under cedega run terribl
[02:48] <rwabel> I don't know if it's the nvidia driver
[02:48] <rwabel> under windows, doom3 runs fine
[02:48] <rwabel> native games like ET runs also fine...but still think my fps are too low
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> hmm not sure
[03:39] <rwabel> going to bed
[03:39] <rwabel> bye
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> by
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> e
[08:41] <Burgundavia> rwabel, there is now a CategoryGames
[09:39] <jsgotangco> hello
[09:39] <Burgundavia> salut
[09:39] <Burgundavia> you running breezy
[09:39] <jsgotangco> no im in hoary
[09:39] <jsgotangco> why is there a showstopper again?
[09:40] <Burgundavia> no
[09:40] <Burgundavia> a minor bug in totem
[09:43] <jsgotangco> this oracle project is eating up a lot of my time lately and i haven't been contributing even *grumble*
[09:55] <robitaille> humm...I still can't run/upgrade Breezy tonight....error 1 when setting up the latest xlibs (but that's OT)
[10:02] <cafuego> robitaille: That's (I think) coz a dir that it wants to delete doesn't exist
[10:09] <robitaille> cafuego: yes I think I found it: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12743
[10:21] <Burgundavia> mdke, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ItalianUbuntuComeMai
[11:59] <rwabel> Burgundavia: ok
[12:01] <rwabel> Burgundavia: should I put them in both categories from now on?
[12:22] <mdke> he's not here
[12:47] <mdke> rob^, did you get your svn account yet? I managed to talk to elmo yesterday, he apologised and said he would do em last night or this morning
[01:19] <mdke> rwabel, ping
[01:20] <mdke> rwabel, i was thinking, ImageFiles is not a very intuitive name, maybe we can think of a name which explains a bit better what is in it, what do you think?
[01:43] <rwabel> right
[01:44] <rwabel> I'll think about it...but I have to go. If you have one in mind, just change it...I'll see afterwards
[01:46] <mdke> ah ok cool
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> Pictures
[01:47] <mdke> HrdwrBoB, heh, that's why the page name is confusing, its not pictures
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> oh, heh
[01:49] <rwabel> need to change that
[01:49] <mdke> doing it
[01:50] <rwabel> otherwise disc image would be ok?
[01:51] <mdke> i've named it ManageISOFiles
[01:51] <mdke> what do you think?
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> ah, that makes more sense
[01:52] <rwabel> well the problem is that ISO is one kind of it
[01:52] <rwabel> but there are many other disc images
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> rwabel: yeah but people know what you mean
[01:52] <rwabel> because a IMG etc aren't isos
[01:52] <rwabel> and disc images?
[01:52] <mdke> true
[01:53] <rwabel> maybe I'll find sth other..I let it go through my mind...later
[01:53] <mdke> okay
[01:53] <mdke> later
[02:33] <Mez> who's John Atkinson
[03:23] <kbrooks> hey
[03:23] <kbrooks> so.....
[04:05] <rwabel> mdke: I would just stay with Manage disc images
[04:05] <mdke> rwabel, isn't it disk with a k?
[04:05] <rwabel> right
[04:06] <rwabel> mdke: you are the englishman :-)
[04:06] <mdke> i'm not 100% sure...
[04:07] <rwabel> isn't disc british and disk american english?
[04:08] <rwabel> mhh wikipedia uses disc
[04:08] <rwabel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iso
[04:08] <mdke> not sure
[04:10] <rwabel> I'm pretty sure that most are using disc
[04:10] <mdke> n p
[04:10] <rwabel> it's harddisk but it's disc
[04:10] <rwabel> I was looking on clonecd homepage
[04:11] <jsgotangco> im getting sleepy already
[04:11] <jsgotangco> and im in a shitty dial up in the middle of nowhereland
[04:12] <mdke> ;)
[04:12] <rwabel> dialup...what's thata again? ;-)
[04:12] <rwabel> mdke: [[TableOfContents] ]  didn't know about that...should use that in my howto's :-)
[04:13] <jsgotangco> :P
[04:13] <jsgotangco> i have off-site work
[04:13] <mdke> rwabel, where it helps, sure, use it!
[04:13] <rwabel> for sure in the long howto's with many heading
[04:13] <jsgotangco> i really hate it
[04:15] <mdke> my god these CC meetings are total crack
[04:15] <rwabel> mdke: can you take a look at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VegaStrike why did it parse wrong?
[04:16] <jsgotangco> come on make it start already im getting sleepy 
[04:16] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:16] <mdke> rwabel, no spaces before or after headings, just a new line after
[04:17] <rwabel> ok
[04:19] <rwabel> wasn't my entery...didn't know that
[04:19] <rwabel> thanks
[04:19] <mdke> np
[04:21] <|rockinnerd|> <in cc meeting>
[04:21] <rwabel> damn I like our UserDocumentation!
[04:22] <kbrooks> <in cc meeting>
[04:22] <jsgotangco> dude, you're not in Italy but you're the italian team contact?
[04:25] <mdke> what can i say...
[04:26] <jsgotangco> maybe i should start the VaticanTeam
[04:28] <mdke> heh
[04:34] <mdke> see what I mean about the meetings being crack?
[04:35] <jsgotangco> we have a word for these kinds of people
[04:35] <jsgotangco> not so sure how it translates to english
[04:35] <robitaille> crack as being ????
[04:35] <mdke> crazy
[04:36] <jsgotangco> total crack
[04:36] <robitaille> yes a bit chaotic at time
[04:36] <mdke> what's your word for em?
[04:36] <mdke> in tl
[04:36] <jsgotangco> mdke: Pasaway
[04:36] <mdke> heh
[04:36] <mdke> i like it
[04:36] <jsgotangco> if i describe it correctly, its people who go way out of line and yet think they are on topic
[04:37] <mdke> yeah
[04:37] <robitaille> I find these CC more  and more not that intersting....it seems it's 95% approving meebers only, without much content until some squeezed at the time when being just want to go home.
[04:37] <mdke> did you see my 5 minutes in-out italian job?
[04:37] <mdke> easy
[04:37] <jsgotangco> the CC meetings before were quite better
[04:37] <mdke> yes they were better
[04:38] <robitaille> good wiki page mdke 
[04:38] <mdke> the CC has become the place for people who want to appear important
[04:38] <jsgotangco> but i guess its understandable for a growing project
[04:39] <robitaille> I wonder if I should bring up again the question of @ubuntu.com addresses for members...
[04:39] <jsgotangco> for some reason, im beginning to like RHEL day by day (because of my current job)
[04:40] <kbrooks> jsgotangco: i agree that everyone is on crack
[04:41] <robitaille> I always like the old RHL, just before it turned to fedora; I'm guessimg it's similar. 
[04:42] <jsgotangco> robitaille: RHEL is old fedora, much like how debian describes stable
[04:42] <robitaille> except for the price of RHEL :)
[04:42] <jsgotangco> at work, where i manage some oracle dbs, we still have rhel 2.1 which is basically rh 7.2
[04:42] <robitaille> but did played for a bit with WhiteBox linux.
[04:42] <jsgotangco> rh has incredible support though, very professional and at par with that of Oracle's
[04:51] <jsgotangco> MEDIAWIKI
[04:51] <jsgotangco> :P
[04:55] <jsgotangco> these italians...tsk tsk...*wink*
[04:56] <mdke> ;)
[04:56] <mdke> just because I'm doing it openly
[04:57] <mdke> all the other communities just did it
[04:57] <robitaille> at least the italian have a community and a wiki full of content...
[04:58] <mdke> what happened to sabmoc
[04:58] <mdke> he was cool
[04:58] <jsgotangco> heck i don't even want to think of ours, i'm the only one who knows how to party
[04:59] <robitaille> mdke:  he had some real-life-problems, so more or less just disapeared.  Haven't seem him online in weeks
[04:59] <mdke> ah shame
[04:59] <robitaille> yes
[04:59] <jsgotangco> hmm he was enthusiastic about stuff before
[04:59] <robitaille> I expect he will be back one day.  the problem had nothing to do with Ubuntu or computers
[05:02] <jsgotangco> this revu tool is really nice...
[05:04] <kbrooks> what is MOTU
[05:05] <jsgotangco> its the people who maintain Universe
[05:05] <jsgotangco> Masters Of The Universe
[05:05] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:05] <jsgotangco> and ogra's he-man
[05:16] <jsgotangco> wow using GAIM for IRC is nice and really colorful...
[05:16] <jsgotangco> unlike what im used to with ERC
[05:16] <kbrooks> xchat > gaim and erc on irc
[05:17] <jsgotangco> i rarely use xchat
[05:17] <jsgotangco> (rarely even use gnome lately)
[05:17] <kbrooks> i like gnome
[05:18] <jsgotangco> oh dont get me wrong i like it too...but im a keyboard person so...
[05:19] <robitaille> tried gaim for irc.  Didn't like it.  Liked xchat as well  But Love irssi.
[05:19] <mdke> its all about irssi
[05:19] <Kinnison> irssi-text is good
[05:23] <kbrooks> i like irssi
[05:23] <kbrooks> but console is evil to me
[05:23] <kbrooks> i'm sort of a linux newb
[05:23] <jsgotangco> we all start somewhere
[05:24] <kbrooks> seriously :P
[05:24] <jsgotangco> i actually tried running mIRC before when i first started in rh
[05:24] <robitaille> console is good...the console is your friend always there for you.  I have to reply to Corey's blog one of these days about the console.
[05:24] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:24] <jsgotangco> i guess he didn't really get to use DOS back then
[05:25] <jsgotangco> heck we rule back then
[05:25] <robitaille> on a more on-topic thing, why is udu wiki staying as a separate wiki for so long?   
[05:25] <jsgotangco> wordstar, lotus 123, dbase 3+
[05:25] <robitaille> kids nowadays...they don't know anything but XWindows :)
[05:26] <jsgotangco> my cousin used to have a sinclair
[05:26] <jsgotangco> the thing only had like 6kb of memory
[05:26] <robitaille> my first computer was a commodore 64.  But I had many dreams of having of a vic-20 like my cousin
[05:27] <jsgotangco> did you have a trs-80? man everyone i knew who had one can program one-liner games back then
[05:28] <robitaille> my dad had a trs-80 for works;  so I couldn't really play with it.
[05:28] <jsgotangco> its so awesome i bugged my dad to buy me the portable version from tandy back then
[05:28] <robitaille> but we use to code small games for my Texas Instrument calculator.
[05:28] <jsgotangco> i still have it with me but it doesnt work anymore
[05:29] <jsgotangco> in RPN?
[05:30] <jsgotangco> i still have my HP 12C
[05:30] <robitaille> of course RPN.  Used to drive my firends crazy since they couldn't borrow my calculator
[05:30] <jsgotangco> (actually its my dad's)
[05:30] <robitaille> normal people couldn't deal very well with rpn back then
[05:32] <jsgotangco> yeah but people who still do RPN now are one of a kind :)
[05:34] <robitaille> my wife still has a rpn calculator; actually it is the only working calculator in the house :)
[05:34] <kbrooks> rpn?
[05:35] <jsgotangco> robitaille: see? :)
[05:35] <jsgotangco> kbrooks: Reverse Polish Notation
[05:38] <robitaille> http://www.hpmuseum.org/rpn.htm
[05:38] <jsgotangco> museum...it makes me look so old....
[05:39] <robitaille> we are old compared to some the kids in the Ubuntu community :)
[05:44] <jsgotangco> backports stuff
[05:44] <jsgotangco> bleahh
[05:44] <jsgotangco> afaic it should be well integrated into universe in the future
[05:46] <jsgotangco> aye
[05:46] <kbrooks> lol.
[05:47] <kbrooks> so... i implictly have a rpn
[05:47] <jsgotangco> next thing we'll see there will be gang wars
[05:47] <kbrooks> calucator
[05:48] <robitaille> it was simpler when only main was "official"...anything else (universe, backports....kde...)  was just unsupported and not to be named :)
[05:48] <jsgotangco> jiyuu0: do you work with backports on your guide?
[05:49] <mdke> jsgotangco, ermm....
[05:49] <jsgotangco> robitaille: i won't be surprised if we'll have our very own marillat in the future
[05:49] <mdke> every voice in that guide advises the addition of backports
[05:49] <jsgotangco> is that so, sorry i only touch universe
[05:50] <robitaille> isn't what hoary-extra is?  a marillat closer to ubuntu?
[05:50] <robitaille> personally I don't even use restricted or multiverse on my machines
[05:50] <mdke> jsgotangco, even the bit about how to install apache says "add backports"
[05:51] <jsgotangco> oh wow we're wild wild west then
[05:53] <kbrooks> jsgotangco: i agree with mako
[05:53] <kbrooks> talked too long
[05:53] <kbrooks> uh, never mind
[05:53] <kbrooks>  /notice
[05:54] <kbrooks> brb
[05:59] <jsgotangco> nice these Nigerian scam emails are getting better
[06:03] <jsgotangco> mdke: official is getting ridiculous as days go by
[06:11] <jsgotangco> jeezz i gotta sleep
[06:11] <jsgotangco> i'll see you guys later
[06:11] <jsgotangco> this meeting is taking too long
[06:11] <mdke> night jsgotangco 
[06:14] <mgalvin> WOOHOO, commit access :)
[06:14] <mdke> mgalvin, :)
[06:14] <mdke> go crazy dude
[06:15] <mgalvin> oh i will ;)
[06:48] <mdke> aha
[06:49] <mdke> the galvin onslaught begins