Velcanabout the dockling12:00
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naliothVelcan: i'm not a programmer, but all the mail apps are open-sourced and have 'hooks' for you to 'call' functions12:01
tritiumsnackalot, are you sure you enabled the root account?12:01
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TheRosswhen i want to install ftd4linux i get an error over mozilla-headers and gtk+2.0? what to do?12:01
snackalotduz anyone know if kill disk will run with linux12:01
naliothVelcan: so theoretically one would create a dockling, or panel applet which called the running email client and kept count of unread mails or whatever you wanted to make it do12:01
oliwerTheRoss: install theme12:01
snackalotyes cant get pack maneger or root term12:02
Velcanoh i thought would were saying panel docklings where some basic script or something of that nature12:02
naliothVelcan: there is "mail-notification" but it istn part of any mail app12:02
Velcanyeah i have messed with that a bit12:02
snackalotit starts to open then vanishes12:02
Velcani cant seem to get ssl to work with it though12:03
Velcanor i wold be content with it12:03
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naliothVelcan: i believe there is a "google mail" section in mail-notification12:03
TheRosstheme? with apt-get?12:03
Velcanfails to connect everytime :(12:03
naliothVelcan: ah12:03
Belutznalioth: how do i use the sound devices for 2 apps? let say i want to open xmms and amarok at the same time?12:04
Velcani have to enable ssl somehow but the man mentions nothing about ssl accept that it supports ssl ...12:04
naliothBelutz: i don't know anything bout sound (except the link to the fixsoundhoary wikipage)12:04
KB2000does mail-notification work for gmail now?12:04
ubotuwell, fixsound is http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly12:04
Velcanit's not for me :(12:04
KB2000it had some probs last i used12:05
Belutznalioth: thx :)12:05
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MIK3MANhey everyone12:05
naliothhow did that URL get into the bot?12:05
MIK3MANneed help with setting up my wifi12:05
MIK3MANany experts?12:05
oliwerMIK3MAN >  maybe me =)12:06
snackalotmik3man you have to be rich12:06
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bob2MIK3MAN: just ask your question...12:06
MIK3MANhey bob12:07
TheRosshow can i handle this error:12:07
snackalotjust kidding cant mutch help either12:07
TheRosschecking if Mozilla has GTK2 support... Kan niet achterhalen of Mozilla met GTK2  ondersteuning gebakken is of niet12:07
TheRosschecking if gtk+-2.0 >= 2.4.0... no12:07
bob2TheRoss: what are you trying to do?12:07
Velcanyea most the cards i have seen with 'good' linux support will run ya $60+12:07
TheRossinstalling ftd4linux12:07
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MIK3MANok guys: I did a little reading and I installed madwifi12:07
oliwerTheRoss> i hate german12:07
bob2TheRoss: what's that?12:07
bob2oliwer: that's nice, but off-topic12:07
chrissturmactually not even nice12:07
bob2TheRoss: try: sudo aptitude install mozilla-dev libgtk2.0-dev build-essential12:08
LoneElfbob2, seriously =)12:08
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ompaulif there is no /dev/dsp where should I begin looking to rectify this?12:08
TheRosstrying now12:08
bob2oliwer: what sort of soundcard do you have?12:09
jaduagarr84mail-notification hasn't worked with gmail for over a month to the best of my knowledge12:09
Velcandid it work previously and then it 'broke' ?12:09
ompaulbob2: was that for me :) Creative Labs SB Audigy LS12:09
MIK3MANubuntou does recognize the card (dlink) but I cant connect to the network yet... I am rebooting the machine as I type12:09
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jaduagarr84yes, i used it for a while.  I believe it broke because google changed something in gmail12:10
bob2MIK3MAN: you don't need to "install" madwifi, it comes with ubuntu12:10
Velcanwell i did see taht they do plan of releasing their gmail-notification for linux and mac12:10
Velcani jsut hope it's soon :)12:11
jaduagarr84as do I :)12:11
MIK3MANbob: can you help me configure my dlink then? its on the list as compatible12:11
bob2MIK3MAN: remove whatever you installed first12:11
jaduagarr84right now I'm using a pop mail checker along w/ evolution ... It works, but its more of a pain to use12:11
Velcanwhat one is it? I never got my dlink working (dwl-g630)12:12
ChurcH_of_FoamYhi bob2 haven't seen ya in a while hows it going?12:12
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TheRosswow it's working bob2. thnx!:D12:12
MIK3MANbob: ok go ahead12:12
bob2I'm good thanks12:12
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bob2MIK3MAN: you've removed whatever other drivers you installed?12:12
VelcanMIK3MAN:  what model is your dlink?12:12
MIK3MANbob: yep12:12
mumblesi can download mail from google using evalution12:12
MIK3MANbob: DWL52012:13
frostyfedorahi all, does anyone know why the ubuntu live cd won't boot from a mac g4? the option is enabled12:13
bob2frostyfedora: have you booted other cds on the mac?12:13
naliothmumbles: the software in question is a panel applet for checking email12:13
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tritiumfrostyfedora, did you hold down the "c" key?12:13
VelcanMIK3MAN:  you should have better luck than i did from what i have read12:13
RalfXHELP: I want to install OpBiz on a 5.04 Ubuntu, however I can't seem to find a java 1.4 anywhere in Sympatic.  I have tried searching with sun and java, not sure which of all the Java's I would need.12:13
mumblesah ok dideant read enough12:13
frostyfedorabob2: indeed i have12:13
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qt2where do i stick xmodmap stuff? i tried /etc/X11/xmodmap, but it was a no-go...12:13
|rockinnerd|RalfX, hold on ive got a link in the wiki12:14
forsakenis there a way to see/copy the config file used for the kernel currently running an ubuntu box?12:14
ubotufrom memory, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin.12:14
frostyfedoratritium: no not yet! thanks i will try ;-)12:14
MIK3MANVelcan: what you mean?12:14
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tritiumfrostyfedora, also, make sure to use the right kernel image ;)12:14
bob2RalfX: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java12:14
bob2qt2: you generally use the gnome keyboard thing instead, these days12:14
Velcani tried to get my dwl-g630 working for like a day 1/2 before i fed it to the dog12:14
bob2qt2: or put it in ~/.xmodmap, and run the xmodmap as part of your gnome login thing12:15
ChipmunkHow do I get rid of menu items in the Applications menu? The program has been removed, but the menu item is still there12:15
jaduagarr84mumbles: when you just use evolution for pop it doesn't mark your mail as read when you read it using a webbrowser12:15
qt2bob2, for my mouse?12:15
naliothChipmunk: use smeg12:15
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MIK3MANVelcan: dont tell me that!! I worked with tritium for 2 days to find out I had a bad burn of ubuntu12:15
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Chipmunknalioth, smeg?12:15
bob2MIK3MAN: is it too late to return it?12:15
bob2MIK3MAN: that's why the first thing you should do if the install fails is check the cd12:16
Velcanthe 630 was like the only damn dlink in the dwl-g series that wasnt classified as supposed to work off install12:16
naliothChipmunk: get it from its homepage https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo12:16
AndaresWhere does Ubuntu keep it's startup scripts?12:16
Velcani was angry :P but i got over it and ordered a new card12:16
tritiumAndares, /etc/init.d12:16
bob2Andares: which ones?12:16
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Velcanand the dog got a snack too :) lol12:16
MIK3MANbob: dont worry, I have a different version and its on the list, I am just a noob when it comes to manual install. Go ahead and tell me what to do plz12:16
mumbles(jaduagarr84) mumbles: when you just use evolution for pop it doesn't mark your mail as read when you read it using a webbrowser yeh12:17
Andarestritium, thanks.12:17
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bob2MIK3MAN: no, it's a dodgy driver, is it too late to return it and get a better supported one?12:17
ChurcH_of_FoamYi may be getting a new computer and i want to put ubuntu on it can i just take my hd outta this one and stick it in the new one?12:17
AndaresWould it be safe to add a few mount commands in there or is there a special-purpose startup script for that stuff?12:17
Chipmunknalioth, thanks!12:17
bob2MIK3MAN: if yes, then "sudo modprobe acx_pci"12:17
wrtpeepswhat is the minimal amount of space required to install gnome12:17
VelcanMIK3MAN:  yea thats what im saying i think you'll have good luch with that card12:17
BurgundaviaChurcH_of_FoamY, yes, you should be able to12:17
bob2Andares: that's what /etc/fstab is for12:17
ChurcH_of_FoamYnalioth hey man howya doin?12:17
Andaresbob2, k.12:18
ChurcH_of_FoamYyes that so rocks ^_^12:18
Andaresbob2, it says it doesn't exist. >.<12:18
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MIK3MANbob: no by "version" I meant hardware.. the card itself12:18
naliothChurcH_of_FoamY: i'm fine today, and you?12:18
|rockinnerd|wrtpeeps, hit F1 when u boot from ubuntu cd12:18
ChurcH_of_FoamYfine ^_^12:18
bob2wrtpeeps: gnome with ubuntu requirs 1.8GB of disk to install12:18
bob2MIK3MAN: yes, the card seems to not be very good12:18
ChurcH_of_FoamYjust found out i can take my ubuntu hard drive and stick it in a nother box ^_^12:18
bob2Andares: well, it does12:18
wrtpeepscan't it be brought down to less than 1.8 ?!12:18
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bob2wrtpeeps: 1.2GB if you don't cache the .debs12:18
bob2ChurcH_of_FoamY: that won't always work12:19
bob2MIK3MAN: so, sudo modprobe acx_pci12:19
ChurcH_of_FoamYO_o um why not? is there a linitation oir somethin?12:19
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bob2ChurcH_of_FoamY: "limitation"?12:19
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea sorry lol12:19
MIK3MANbob2: done, what next?12:19
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ChurcH_of_FoamYi just seen that and was gonna check it lol12:19
bob2ChurcH_of_FoamY: if the disk moves to a different location on the ide chain, it won't boot12:20
mattyJhow do i get the computer trash and home folder icons on the desktop? i can just make a link, but is there a option to put them there?12:20
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bob2MIK3MAN: now configure /etc/network/interfaces properly12:20
ChurcH_of_FoamYok cool12:20
bob2MIK3MAN: no, it's a gconf setting12:20
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ChurcH_of_FoamYbob2, did you read that link i sent to you?12:20
ChurcH_of_FoamYi thought you should see it ^_^12:20
bob2ChurcH_of_FoamY: no12:21
ChurcH_of_FoamYoh ok12:21
topyliuhh, so why exactly does mplayer depend on xmms?12:21
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ChurcH_of_FoamYwell i pm'd you with it so you can read it when you want12:21
Andarestopyli, libs?12:21
mattyJtopyli: do mplayer with no interface12:21
bob2ChurcH_of_FoamY: no, in the channel please12:21
ChurcH_of_FoamYoh ok12:21
topylimattyJ: i want the interface :)12:21
MIK3MANbob2: you have a link or a readme for that?? sorry like I said I'm just starting out on linux12:22
AndaresWhere is sources.lst located? (for apt)12:22
bob2MIK3MAN: perhaps the gnome network ui thing might work12:22
bob2Andares: /etc/apt/sources.list12:22
topyliAndares: you don't need xmms to _build_ mplayer though12:22
ChurcH_of_FoamYbob2,rad the last post there12:22
ChurcH_of_FoamYread even ;p12:22
bob2ChurcH_of_FoamY: hah, cool12:23
TheRosswhat is the best newsgroup program to use?12:24
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea i thought it was about time someone show appreaciation lol12:24
bob2that's great, thanks12:24
topyliThe_Vox: slrn probably. if you want a real gnome app, try pan12:24
topyliThe_Vox: it's a religious question really :)12:25
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MIK3MANbob2: ifconfig sees the card ath0, and the network gui says its connected, but I dont see my ip and I cant browse12:27
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bob2MIK3MAN: you'd need to set the ip12:27
bob2or get dhcp to do it12:27
bob2Ive never used the gnome network thing, sorry12:27
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StRHi all12:27
MIK3MANbob2: I have it set to DHCP, but nothing12:27
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qt2bob2, why would you use the gnome keyboard ting for a mouse? ;)12:28
StRhow can I compilemy own kernel and make it an ubuntu package?12:28
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redxCan anybody think of a way to make a program/script in linux that will tell the computer to start a network device?12:29
redxEverything else works except that...12:29
bob2qt2: no idea, you didn't mention the mouse in your original question12:29
bob2redx: that's what editing /etc/network/interfaces is for12:29
redxI did that.12:29
redxIt almost works...12:29
AndaresHow do I run a program as a process?12:29
bob2then it's incorrectly set12:29
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bob2paste your file to #flood12:29
bob2Andares: do you mean "as a daemon" or "in the background"?12:30
WeirdAlHallo. Decent Gnome cd copying program please :-)12:30
WeirdAlGUI style12:30
WeirdAloh yeah, I said gnome12:30
bob2WeirdAl: nautilus does a good job12:30
WeirdAlDoes it clone?12:30
bob2please don't be preemptively obnoxious12:30
bob2sure, copy the stuff off, burn it back on a new one12:30
bob2or try graveman or k3b (please don't whine)12:30
WeirdAlsorry, I just realised I'd already said gnome when I said gui style12:30
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Andaresbob2, well, I'm attempting to run bitlbee after a successful installation.12:31
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redxthere. I did it.12:31
redxIt's the closest I've come to making internet work.12:31
bob2Andares: so, you're all done, it's running already12:31
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bob2Andares: just connect to localhost:6667 with your irc client12:31
Andaresbob2, k.12:31
Tuxisti have amarok 1.3 compiled12:31
bob2redx: and how does it not work?12:31
Andaresbob2, why does Ubuntu's APT repository not include nmap?12:32
Tuxist :-)12:32
redxI have to go to system admin networking...12:32
cmathesonAndares: it does12:32
naliothAndares: it doesnt?12:32
bob2Andares: it does...12:32
nalioth!info nmap12:32
redxAnd tell it to activate.12:32
ubotunmap: (The Network Mapper), section net, is extra. Version: 3.75-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 548 kB, Installed size: 1840 kB12:32
bob2Andares: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto, it's in universe12:32
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bob2redx: in what sense doe it not work?12:32
Andaresnalioth, E: Package nmap has no installation candidate12:32
redxI can't got internet connection unless I do that.12:33
cmathesonAndares: check out the link he just gave you...12:33
bob2Andares: it's in the universe repository12:33
naliothAndares: check the link bob2 sent you for repositorys12:33
Andares* Looking up
Andares* Unknown host. Maybe you misspelled it?12:33
redxso, basically, what all does the activate button do in system/administration/networking?12:33
mumblesthat looks like a privat ip12:33
bob2Andares: yes, that wasn't meant literally12:33
bob2Andares: you want ip, port 666712:34
bob2redx: does "sudo ifup eth0" work?12:34
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Andaresbob2: /server 666712:34
chillywillywhy is apt ignoring my backport sources?12:34
mumbles* Looking up --- private ip - not wan12:34
J_Phi all12:34
WeirdAlHmm, maybe I have a problem with my CDRW12:34
chillywillyIgn http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras/restricted Packages12:34
J_Ppeople, have python2.4-gtk2 in ubuntu ?12:34
WeirdAlHow can I check it's working without wasting a CD?12:34
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Echelon-Harrgh it's so annoying12:34
Echelon-Hventrilo 2.1.1 seems to be working fine12:35
redxIt sais misplaced option.12:35
Echelon-Hbut 2.2.0 is not12:35
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bob2Andares: yes12:35
naliothWeirdAl: have you checked md5 results?12:35
bob2mumbles: yes, the irc server is on his/her machine12:35
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bob2chillywilly: it's not ignoring it, it's saying that there is no Release file12:36
levanderWhy is nautilus refusing to write a directory with 4.6 GB in it to a DVD because of lack of space?  The label on the DVD says it holds 4.7 GB.12:36
chillywillybob2: ok12:36
bob2J_P: of course12:36
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mumblesright im offto bed12:36
mumblesgot work in the morning12:36
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bob2levander: the filesystem itself consumes space12:36
mumbleshavent got anything else to do12:36
_franklevander: different definition of gigabyte12:36
chillywillymumbles: stop mumbling damnit, I can't hear you12:36
naliothlevander: do you have 4.6gb available?12:36
bob2levander: I think they hold on the order of 4.3GB of iso-9660 or udf data12:36
KyralAnyone know how to run a local Ident Server so I can use IRC Networks that require Ident?12:36
_franklevander: you can fit 4.35 GB on a DVD as reported by the OS12:37
bob2Kyral: install oidentd12:37
StRhow can I compilemy own kernel and make it an ubuntu package?12:37
levanderso how do i know how much space the filesystem takes up?12:37
redx /join #debian12:37
WeirdAlnalioth, http://pastebin.com/31587312:37
bob2Kyral: but that won't help if you're behind a NAT'ing router12:37
bob2StR: with make-kpkg, but why?12:37
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WeirdAlThat's what happens when I try to use readcd to get an image.12:37
Kyraloy, I am behind NAT12:37
Kyralbut I can make Port-Forwarding12:37
ChurcH_of_FoamYNAT is evil O_o12:38
WeirdAlWhich, in turn, is what k3b tries to do.12:38
bob2yeah, one day ipv6 will get rid of it...12:38
naliothWeirdAl: i have no idea what "readcd" is12:38
J_Pbob2: in stable or in testing ?12:38
WeirdAloh. Neither do I.12:38
_franklevander: DVD fits 4700000000 bytes which is about 4.35 GB12:38
bob2J_P: http://packages.ubuntu.com/12:38
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WeirdAlIt appears to be a program to rip an image from CD12:38
WeirdAlIt's no biggie.12:38
WeirdAlIt'd just be useful is all.12:39
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mumblesas i said .. cya all12:39
naliothWeirdAl: just mount it12:39
StRbob2: cd /usr/src/linux-blabla; make; make-kpkg  ?12:39
J_Pbob2: ok12:39
levander_frank: thanks, i'll try to narrow the directory down to 4.35 instead of having to make two12:39
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J_Pbob2: how many packages have actual stable ?12:39
bob2StR: why are you compiling a new kernel?12:39
WeirdAlhaha, it was mounted.12:39
WeirdAlunmounting it got it, nalioth12:39
WeirdAlGuess I needed the obvious pointing out.12:40
WeirdAlbye now :-)12:40
StRbob2: to configure my ATI right...12:40
bob2redx: so, did "sudo ifup eth0" work?12:40
bob2StR: you don't need to compile a kernel for ATI support12:40
redxLike I said, it returned misplaced option.12:40
redxSo I'd guess not.12:40
bob2so, your interfaces file is scrwed12:41
bob2get rid of the "network" line12:41
ChurcH_of_FoamYhey bob2 any idea why samba won't let me get files from windows boxes?12:42
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redxStill sais misplaced option12:42
Thewarmachineim back!12:42
bob2ChurcH_of_FoamY: samba has nothing to do with accessing files on windows machines12:42
ChurcH_of_FoamYoh ok then um what does?12:42
redxThen it sais ifup: couldn't read interfaces file /etc/network/interfaces12:42
bob2redx: is what you pasted actually correct?12:42
bob2redx: e.g. is there a line really starting with the word "and"?12:42
anto9usChurcH_of_FoamY: smbfs12:42
Thewarmachineanyone here use audacity12:42
redxNow I took out the network line like you said though.12:42
dockaneis there any difference betwenn 'cp -a temp/* backup/.' and 'cp -a temp/* backup' ?12:43
chillywillyfarkin' egg12:43
ChurcH_of_FoamYsmbfs...um whats that?12:43
bob2ChurcH_of_FoamY: nautilus will just let you access them12:43
qt2anto9us, which is part of samba. :P12:43
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bob2dockane: not on linux12:43
redxNo, that's got to do with the spacing of your window.12:43
qt2ChurcH_of_FoamY, Samba File System.12:43
cmathesonso i've got a bunch of text files (gaim logs) w/ chinese in them... i can view them fine in gnome-terminal, text-editors, etc. but using caterm i get chinese gibberish (i think it's using the wrong encoding or something?  how can i tell what my terminal is trying to view my text file as?12:43
bob2redx: no, it's not to do with my window size12:43
naliothchillywilly: be kind to the messenger12:43
bob2it's not wrapped on this end, they're seperate lines12:43
ChurcH_of_FoamYoh ok cause no windows boxes on my network can access my storage drive12:43
Thewarmachinei have no clue12:44
ChurcH_of_FoamYand it really sucks12:44
chillywillynalioth: um, only when you start making sense12:44
Thewarmachineperhaps you are missing fonts12:44
hanasakianyoen got mondevelop running in hoary?12:44
bob2ChurcH_of_FoamY: you need to define your problem very carefully12:44
redxWell I just checked in a full gedit window, and it's on the same line....12:44
J_Pstable is 5.0.4 ?12:44
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hanasakiyes jp12:44
bob2ChurcH_of_FoamY: are you looking to have a linux box access windows machines, or vice versa?12:44
redxSo it should be a comment.12:44
bob2redx: ok12:44
bob2J_P: yes12:44
J_Phanasaki: warty = 5.0.4 ?12:44
StRbob2: I wasn't able to  run the 3d aceleration12:44
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hanasakiJ_P:  i htink thats hoary12:44
MIK3MANI got wy wifi going!!12:44
naliothchillywilly:  * chillywilly slaps smartmontools around some    <<<be kind to the messenger12:45
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ChurcH_of_FoamYi can access all windows machenes fine but no window machene can access my box12:45
cmathesonThewarmachine: possibly... it's showing some sort of chinese characters however, so i'm not sure (they do look like crap though, and some of them are weird (i haven't ever seen them before)12:45
bob2StR: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto12:45
Thewarmachineso folks anyone use audacity???12:45
dockanebob2, mmhh that makes me curious12:45
bob2ChurcH_of_FoamY: so, that could be a samba problem12:45
J_Phumm ok, then next release is warty ?12:45
cmathesonThewarmachine: what fonts would you suggest?12:45
StRbob2: I did that.. but it didn't start12:45
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hanasakijp breezy12:45
bob2dockane: some old unixes cared about that, I think...maybe old netbsd?12:45
Thewarmachinei get that from progs like audacity12:45
chillywillynalioth: smartmontools is not a person and therefore cannot relay any messages12:45
ChurcH_of_FoamYok any idea how i might go about fixing it?12:45
naliothJ_P: the next release is breezy badger12:45
Thewarmachinethats the only thing i can think of cmatheson12:45
naliothchillywilly: if you say so12:45
J_Pwarty is old then ?12:45
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bob2ChurcH_of_FoamY: so, you installed samba, and setup the workgroup name correctly?12:45
hanasakiwhat are the ubuntu releases named after?12:45
hanasakiyes jp12:45
bob2J_P: yes12:46
cmathesonThewarmachine: er, do you view chinese from the terminal? what fonts are you using?12:46
bob2hanasaki: animals12:46
Thewarmachinei dont know\12:46
chillywillynalioth: smartmontolls is for monitoring disk drives that implement S.M.A.R.T.12:46
ChurcH_of_FoamYas far as i know everything is correct but then again i'm no expert12:46
topyliJ_P: it's still supported, but you might as well get the latest and greatest :)12:46
bob2redx: that's odd12:46
hanasakibob2:  didnt now if ran deeper than that12:46
redxbob2: Thanks for your help... I'm gonna reboot and if everything works I'll get back on to let you know...12:46
chillywillytools too12:46
_frankhanasaki: african animals + adjective I thing12:46
Thewarmachinebut i only get them in the help window12:46
bob2redx: ok12:46
hanasakithanks frank12:46
naliothchillywilly: yes i know what it is, and it relays info to YOU from the HD12:46
bob2hanasaki: "animals that amused us" was the old policy ;p12:46
naliothchillywilly: therefore, it's a messenger of sorts12:46
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aimazI made an mplayer package from source that included mencoder, now I can't install programs which rely on mencoder, any ways round this?12:46
J_Ptopyli: breezy when is relesed ?12:47
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qt2heh, how can i have a linux box access another linux box on my network?12:47
bob2aimaz: just use the mplayer package in ubuntu?12:47
ChurcH_of_FoamYon october i heatr12:47
bob2qt2: depends what you mean by access12:47
Thewarmachinechillywilly give that back12:47
cmathesonThewarmachine: oh ok,thanks12:47
bob2qt2: share files? terminal login? X?12:47
naliothJ_P: release numbers are release dates breezy 5.10 october, 200512:47
nickolihow can i get my logitech usb headset to work12:47
topyliJ_P: yep, and hoary right now. upgrading should work very well12:47
J_Phumm but is possible use use today breezy ?12:47
dockanebob2, i grew up with ms dos 6.22 and since i switched to linux i got used to do a lot with the shell again. i know that command prompt from dos and bash are totally different but i am somehow used to it12:47
qt2bob2, all of the above? ;)12:47
J_Pos is beterr upgrade after ?12:47
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naliothJ_P: hoary hedgehog 5.04, april 200512:48
topyliJ_P: breezy is quite unstable12:48
ChurcH_of_FoamYi would update to breezy now but my box works just peachy (asides from samba >.<)12:48
bob2J_P: it's available, yes, but it's not a good idea for new users to use it12:48
ChurcH_of_FoamYand i have put alot into it and would hate for it to go buggy on me >.<12:48
naliothJ_P: currently breezy is broken for regular use12:48
bob2dockane: ah12:48
J_Pnalioth ok12:49
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nickolihas anybody hear setup a usb headset in hoary12:49
J_Pthen o go use hoary12:49
topyliJ_P: sounds like a plan :)12:49
J_Pexist netinst for ubuntu as in debian sarge ?12:49
c_rodgehey i hace a little problem, i am trying to play avi files in ubuntu 4.10 but i can hear the sound but no vudeo?12:49
J_Ponly complete cd ?12:49
nalioths_dogc_rodge: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support12:49
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ChurcH_of_FoamYso bob2 is there any info i can get for you that might help solve my problem?"12:49
topyliJ_P: i consider that an ubuntu bug :(12:50
naliothJ_P: when breezy releases, you can upgrade over the net12:50
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qt2bob2, any pointers? :P12:50
nickoli5.04 detects my headset but i cant hear sound12:50
J_Pnalioth yehs, as in debian woody to sarge iupgrade ?12:50
LasseLi wonder how many of my little tweaks that will survive when breezy gets out12:50
J_Pwithout errors ?12:50
cmathesonnickoli: turn up the volume?12:50
ChurcH_of_FoamYso um whats wrong with the new x?12:50
nickolicmatheson tried that12:51
qt2oh, and are there any bugs relating to programs just quitting and dropping to desktop, or something of the sort?12:51
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topyliJ_P: should work. a little prayer doesn't harm though :)12:51
naliothJ_P: we use apt-get here, so i guess so12:51
A[D] minShow i can enable bash_completion?12:51
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ChurcH_of_FoamYbob2 isen't selling ubuntu illegal?12:52
UrsinI cant find mplayer on apt-get anymore....anyone knows?12:52
naliothUrsin: use synaptic12:52
_frankChurcH_of_FoamY: you can legally sell ubuntu for a million dollars if you want12:53
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A[D] minSgot it from  /etc/bash.bashrc12:53
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Ursincant find i there wither12:53
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naliothChurcH_of_FoamY: you can "sell" cds for the cost of cds, your time in burning them, you gas to deliver them, etc12:53
ChurcH_of_FoamYoh wow12:53
naliothChurcH_of_FoamY: but the software is free12:53
_frankChurcH_of_FoamY: but no one will buy it at that price12:53
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Servo888Does ubuntu have framebuffer support compiled into the kernel?12:53
qt2Ursin, you have the universe and multiverse repositories in sources.list?12:53
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ChurcH_of_FoamYi thought it was illegal cause i see that some goof is sellin them on ebay12:53
sinfernook, i want to install a tar and overwrite the old files, because im upgrading... i used tar -xzvf /file/file/blah12:53
qt2Ursin, apt-get update?12:53
sinfernobut it wont overwrite the old files, should i uninstall somehow?12:54
ChurcH_of_FoamYto me that kinda defeats the term "free"12:54
c_rodgei dont see how that helps me i just need to find what codec to get for avi files i dont want mplayer12:54
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qt2c_rodge, grab w32codecs.12:54
naliothChurcH_of_FoamY: have you been to "best buy" or "circuit city"?12:54
sinfernoand im afraid to do it as root cause isnt it bad to unpack with tar as root?12:54
naliothsinferno: unpack it as a normal use12:54
ChurcH_of_FoamYnalioth no we don't have one up here >.<12:55
anto9usChurcH_of_FoamY: how so? If you're supplying a service and adding value, even if it's just good advice, you're entitled to charge for it.12:55
bob2ChurcH_of_FoamY: of course not, it's fine to sell it12:55
naliothChurcH_of_FoamY: your local electronics place?12:55
sinfernonalioth, i know, i did, but as a normal user it wont overwrite the old files12:55
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sinfernonalioth, cause im upgrading12:55
bob2ChurcH_of_FoamY: people even sell cds they got for free from canonical12:55
bob2which is lame12:55
sinfernonalioth, is there an option i can add to the line?12:55
naliothsinferno: unpack as a normal user, use sudo to move your stuff where you want it12:55
ChurcH_of_FoamYnalioth we have a radio shack12:55
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ChurcH_of_FoamYand thats it12:55
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qt2ChurcH_of_FoamY, wow, middle of nowhere? <.<;12:56
sinfernonalioth, why not just unpack it as sudo then?12:56
ChurcH_of_FoamYi just replaced the windows key with a gonme foot that i airbrushed onto the key today ^_^12:56
anto9usI agree, getting cds from Canonical and selling them is well out of order12:56
vladuz977hey can someone help me with ssh?12:56
bob2vladuz977: best to just ask your question12:56
naliothsinferno: you raised the security question12:56
ChurcH_of_FoamYyes i live in the middel of nowhere on the shores of lake supirior12:56
J_Phey, i not found python2.4-gtk2 in hoary12:56
sinfernonalioth, but im saying isnt it the same to unpack it as sudo as it is to move it with sudo?12:56
ChurcH_of_FoamYand thats what there doin on ebay12:56
nalioththere is a lot of lag today12:56
Thewarmachinej_p add repositories12:57
ChurcH_of_FoamYstupid people need sighns12:57
c_rodgei can hear my avi video playing in totem i jsut can see it12:57
vladuz977bob2: ok i installed sshd and i am trying to connect to my desktop from another computer, my laptop, but it just doesn't wor12:57
naliothsinferno: if you unpack, you can see what you are moving12:57
J_PThewarmachine: what repository ? not is oficial repository ?12:57
naliothChurcH_of_FoamY: i was gonna explain about "selling" linux12:57
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sinfernonalioth, i trust the package i was just scared if i unpacked as sudo it would set root permissions12:57
emXvladuz977: try using the '-vv' flags when you're trying to connect with the ssh client; it'll give us a better idea of the problem.12:57
ChurcH_of_FoamYnalioth well go ahead sorry to interupt ^_^12:57
A[D] minSis there program better than KGet ?12:57
naliothvladuz977: whats the other puter (you are coming from)?12:58
bob2vladuz977: do other network services work?  does ssh to localhost?  what's in between them?12:58
Thewarmachinej_p when I installed this i got loads of crap problems12:58
A[D] minSits tooooooooooooo slowww12:58
J_PThewarmachine: in http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/allpackages.en.txt.gz  in find : python2.4-gtk2 (2.6.1-0ubuntu2) Python bindings for the GTK+ widget set12:58
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naliothsinferno: is it system stuff?12:58
J_PThewarmachine: but in http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/allpackages  I not found12:58
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vladuz977bob2, nalioth yes to local host works12:58
c_rodgeis there a problem with the sound in 5.0412:58
Thewarmachinei dunno12:58
sinfernonalioth, its cedega12:58
naliothChurcH_of_FoamY: they sell boxed linux at best buy and circuit city and frys12:58
tritiumA[D] minS, bash completion should be enabled by default12:58
Thewarmachinebut its usually suse12:59
sinfernonalioth, im upgrading from 4.2 to 4.412:59
vladuz977nalioth: what do you mean by the other puter?12:59
ChurcH_of_FoamYwow thats kinda defeating the "free" thing isen't it?12:59
naliothChurcH_of_FoamY: they are not selling the linux, they are selling the nice book that's in the box, the box itself, the labor to make the box, the gas to bring the box to the store, etc12:59
A[D] minStritium, nope u have to remove comments at da last 3 lines12:59
emXvladuz977: the client machine12:59
Thewarmachinefre as in freedom12:59
Thewarmachinenot beer12:59
ChurcH_of_FoamYoh ok12:59
aceofhertzhi, I have a Dell Dimension 4600 and I've installed Ubuntu on it, but I can't get the sound drivers to play. Anyone got any suggestions?12:59
naliothvladuz977: are you on a windows computer tryin to access your vladuz977-box?12:59
ChurcH_of_FoamYi just give the cd's i orderd away12:59
Thewarmachinei hate the ide though12:59
ChurcH_of_FoamYand refer customers to here12:59
tritiumA[D] minS, read those last 3 lines of your ~/.bashrc carefully.12:59
naliothsinferno: most system software belongs to root anyway01:00
ChurcH_of_FoamYi don't charge for it at all01:00
vladuz977nalioth: no from my ibook01:00
_franknalioth Actually some distributions are not completely free. proprietary configuration tools and stuff01:00
J_PThewarmachine: I found too, soory for my error!!01:00
Thewarmachinethats good01:00
tritiumA[D] minS, i.e., the "you don't need to enable this..." part01:00
Thewarmachineits ok j_p01:00
sinfernonalioth, ok so im just gonna do it as root01:00
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naliothvladuz977: so are you in a terminal, connected to network, using "ssh vladuz977@vlads.ip.address"?01:00
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vladuz977nalioth: yes01:00
vladuz977nalioth: but it doesn't connect01:01
J_Phey all, actually I use debian stable for all, servers and desktops...  Then I have somes problems in desktops where i need new packages.. then i think use debian stable for servers and ubuntu for desktops. What you think about this ?01:01
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bojanglesthose BSD people are funny...they want the stability of BSD but they want drivers too01:01
A[D] minStritium, aha i got what u r talking a bout thx tritium  :D01:01
sinfernonalioth, ok cool i had it right the first time, srry lol01:01
naliothvladuz977: what does it do?01:01
sinfernonalioth, thanks for your time01:01
ThewarmachineDont install debian packages on ubuntu01:01
bob2J_P: if that's what you want, it seems reasonable01:01
Thewarmachineit is moste certaine deathe01:01
naliothsinferno: security is a good practice01:01
vladuz977nalioth: it just hangs there and doesn't do anyting01:01
vladuz977nalioth: doesn't return the comman line01:01
sinfernonalioth, yeah i have done some stupid crap with permissions before01:01
ChurcH_of_FoamYbeep-media-player rocks ^_^01:02
emXvladuz977: try 'ssh -vv HOST'01:02
naliothvladuz977: can you "ping" the IP on your box?01:02
Thewarmachineits ok though, ill rule the universe anyway01:02
emXvladuz977: will output more info we can look through01:02
vladuz977nalioth: i don't know what that is01:02
sinfernonalioth, like i changed my whole usr dir to 777 or something once01:02
Thewarmachinebeep eminds me of xmms01:02
J_Pbob2: Or ubuntu is very stable for servers productions/firewall too ?01:02
sinfernonalioth, that was way bad lol01:02
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bojangleshah...you have to keep fucking with the kernel every day for 11 years until you drive the hardware manufacturers insane and they just say "fuck it, we can't keep up with all your god-damned kernel changes so just take all of our driver code that cost us a fortune and take it for free and you put it in your constantly changing kernel.01:02
IFRFLYRHi, got a simple unzip question. 10 files. One directory. How come unzip *.zip gets me "caution: filename not matched: medici.zip" and same for all 10 zip files?01:02
naliothsinferno: what fun... (not)01:02
bob2bojangles: language, please01:02
sinfernonalioth, it was a blast01:02
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Thewarmachinebojangles HAHAHA01:03
bob2IFRFLYR: becauase "unzip *.zip" is the same as running "unzip 1.zip 2.zip 3.zip 4.zip ...", which is wrong01:03
aceofhertzhi, I have a Dell Dimension 4600 and I've installed Ubuntu on it, but I can't get the sound drivers to play. Anyone got any suggestions?01:03
bob2IFRFLYR: for i in *.zip ; do unzip $i ; done01:03
A[D] minStritium, is there bot for helping ?01:03
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redxbob2: Had to reset the router...01:03
Thewarmachinewhat is it with the "watch your language it01:03
IFRFLYRAh. bob2 thank you so much!01:03
J_Pubuntu is very stable for servers productions/firewall too ?01:03
emXJ_P: yes.01:03
c_rodgewhy cant i view video, i installed the w32codecs im pretty sure, i havve the sound of the video just not the actual video01:03
redxBut I got a different error... when I said sudo ifup eth001:03
IFRFLYRWorked like a charm, of course.01:03
emXJ_P: i run ubuntu, debian and OpenBSD -- all work fine.01:04
redxNow it sais ifup: interface eth0 already configured01:04
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Thewarmachine emx whats the diff between open and free bsd01:04
J_PemX: where situation use use debian and ubuntu ?01:04
ChurcH_of_FoamYwhats the "perfect" computer for linux?01:04
J_Ps where/what01:04
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vladuzemX: where can i post the output of ssh -vv host01:04
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naliothc_rodge: the newer wmv wont play01:04
emXvladuz: see the topic (paste.ubuntulinux.nl)01:04
Thewarmachinenalioth: i hate that01:04
emXThewarmachine: see openbsd.org :-)01:05
Thewarmachinedamn wmv01:05
vladuzemX: ok pastebin01:05
emXJ_P: web/ssh/cvs server01:05
bob2redx: and does it work?01:05
J_PemX: this above is debian or ubuntu ?01:05
topyliThewarmachine: it's pretty much political, but freebsd is more geared towards desktops, openbsd is a secure server01:05
redxInternet connection?01:05
Thewarmachinegot it01:05
emXJ_P: all three.01:05
Thewarmachineand what about dragonfly?01:05
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redxNot at startup, on it's own.01:06
emXJ_P: (each has runs each service)01:06
redxI have to go reset the router.01:06
emXJ_P: s/has//01:06
J_PemX: my question is : how i choice debian or ubuntu for web/ssh/cvs server ?01:06
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vladuzemX: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/66701:06
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Thewarmachinewhats the bes linux firewall?01:07
topyliThewarmachine: another fork. the bsd stuff is messy politics, i'm not getting into that discussion01:07
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J_PemX: here ?01:07
naliothThewarmachine: there is only one firewall01:07
stan-amhey guys!01:07
Thewarmachinelol topyli01:07
naliothThewarmachine: its in every linux distro01:07
emXJ_P: you'll probably be ok with either one -- if you're happy with this channel and the ubuntu community, i suggest ubuntu.01:07
naliothThewarmachine: it's called iptables01:07
stan-amcan anyone give me the command to add 1024x768 screen resolution01:07
stan-amthat sudo something command01:07
naliothThewarmachine: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=13001:07
vladuzemX: nalioth: any ideas?01:07
emXvladuz: it looks like your client computer is having trouble making a network connection to the ssh server.01:07
emXvladuz: :-)01:07
_frankThewarmachine: I use guarddog01:08
tritiumA[D] minS, yes, ubotu01:08
J_PemX: :-) sure. But that wuestion is only for i larn about your exeperince..01:08
stan-amcan anyone give me the command to add 1024x768 screen resolution01:08
stan-amthat sudo something command01:08
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vladuzemX: anything i can do there?01:08
Thewarmachineis firestarter sufficient01:08
J_Pwhat is moment where is better use debian and not ubuntu... understant. If this moment exist, sure!01:08
emXvladuz: are you sure the ssh server is running on the server machine? have you configured any firewall rules on it?01:08
A[D] minSubotu: !help01:08
ubotuA[D] minS: No idea01:08
A[D] minSloooool01:08
_frankThewarmachine: yeah that works too01:08
topyliThewarmachine: firestarter is fine. they all do the same thing, configure iptables01:09
A[D] minSubotu: install nvidia driver01:09
ubotuA[D] minS: Wish i knew01:09
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vladuzemX: how can i make sure the ssh server is running01:09
gangjavitishi guys01:09
A[D] minStritium, ubotu  Good helper01:09
Thewarmachinei did it manully01:09
emXvladuz: on the server machine: ps aux | grep sshd01:09
topyliThewarmachine: all the better :)01:09
ubotusomebody said nvidia was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto01:09
Thewarmachineever heard of peerguardian?01:09
vladuzemX: ok01:09
tritiumA[D] minS, see above01:09
emXvladuz: you should see something like :root      5475  0.0  0.1   3472  1512 ?        Ss   08:44   0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd01:09
A[D] minSubotu, any way thx i found it :PP~~~01:09
ubotuA[D] minS: I give up, what is it?01:09
robert_pectolThewarmachine:   Here's a firewall script that I wrote for Ubuntu:  http://rob.pectol.com/ubuntu-firewall.sh   Feel free to try it out and give me some feedback on it!  It01:09
emXdo you?01:09
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vladuzemX: yes01:10
emXvladuz: how are the two computers connected?01:10
flodinecan someone tell me how to get gaim installed01:10
emXvladuz: via a router? switch? crossover cable?01:10
J_PI am doing download of ubuntu hoary :-)01:10
robert_pectolThewarmachine:   is commented fairly well so it should be easy to configure...01:10
A[D] minSaha OK01:10
vladuzemX: they are not. i am trying to connect via ssh01:10
topyliA[D] minS: ubotu is a bot, it doesn't understand very complex questions :)01:10
emXemX: ??01:10
emXemX: i'm interested in the physical connection01:10
aceofhertzhi, I have a Dell Dimension 4600 and I've installed Ubuntu on it, but I can't get the sound drivers to play. Anyone got any suggestions?01:10
vladuzemX: router, but on my ibook i am using my neighbor's wireless right now01:11
J_Pbye all, I come back after..01:11
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vladuzemX: no physical connection01:11
A[D] minStopyli, do u know how i can ask him :)P01:11
tritiumflodine, "sudo apt-get install gaim" will install it01:11
MinuoI'm having a bit of an issue with udev - I'm not sure if its a kubuntu specific issue, but I can't seem to get udev to constantly set my USB HD to something like usbhd101:11
Thewarmachinerobert_pectol   # Micro$oft LOL01:11
Thewarmachinei agree01:11
gangjavitishmm ibook is probably the problem.. had tons of trouble doing NFS between ubuntu and my mac01:11
robert_pectolThewarmachine:   I see... well then good luck!01:12
Thewarmachinewhy cant I get gaim 1.4.1301:12
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emXvladuz: well, the problem isn't with ssh. if you can't ping the server, you can't ssh to it.01:12
topyliA[D] minS: try something like " !nvidia " or " !mp3"01:12
A[D] minSubotu, !nvidia01:12
ubotuA[D] minS: I give up, what is it?01:12
vladuzemX: i am wondering if i use the wrong ip01:12
A[D] minSloooooooool01:12
vladuzemX: i got it from ifconfig01:12
topyliA[D] minS: or "!help" :)01:12
A[D] minSthx topyli01:12
A[D] minSno way01:12
emXvladuz: are there more than one network interface on the server?01:12
A[D] minSgoogling better :)01:12
stan-amhey guys can anyone give me that command to configure the resolution?01:12
stan-amhey guys can anyone give me that command to configure the resolution?01:12
stan-amthat sudo something01:13
vladuzemX: no01:13
kyncanistan-am: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?01:13
gangjavitissudo something01:13
naliothvladuz: you are using the wrong IP01:13
vladuznalioth: how do you know01:13
stan-amits "sudo + something"01:13
stan-amcant really remember01:13
topyliA[D] minS: when ubotu doesn't know something you do, you should teach it :)01:13
naliothvladuz: you are using the internal IP address, you need the IP the internet sees01:13
kyncanistan-am: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ??01:13
gangjavitisstan: try what kyncani said with sudo before it01:13
A[D] minStopyli, am not teacher :P01:13
vladuznalioth: how do i get that01:14
gangjavitisstan: and use the easy option when asked01:14
naliothvladuz: do you have a router on your home box?01:14
vladuznalioth: yes01:14
stan-amnop thats no it01:14
stan-amit used to open a blue screen01:14
kyncanistan-am: that will do01:14
gangjavitisyeah that's what you're looking for... but you have to do it from a prompt01:14
gangjavitisnot a shell01:14
naliothvladuz: you need to dmz your home machine, and go to the routers admin screen ( or whatever it is) and get the external IP01:15
emXvladuz: consider using a package like ddclient (with dyndns)01:15
A[D] minSbrb01:15
gangjavitisso hit ctrl-alt-F101:15
MinuoCan anyone give me a hand getting my USB HD set up to always get the same device node?01:15
vladuznalioth: emX: i went there and the external ip is the same but it ends in 47 instead of 4301:15
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tritiumstan-am, that is the correct command.  Please try it again.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto01:16
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emXvladuz: an external IP can't be 192.168.X.X01:16
gangjavitisstan exit gnome and try it01:16
ubotuatlas95: I don't know, could you explain it?01:16
emXvladuz: that's not 'world routable'01:16
sinfernoi need to completely uninstall cedega, but i didnt install it with apt obviously, how do i do this?01:16
naliothvladuz: that isnt correct 192.168 are internal only addresses01:16
ubotuatlas95: I don't know, could you explain it?01:16
sinfernoi upgraded it to a newer version and its all fukked01:16
sinfernoso i need to uninstall and just install it fresh01:16
emXvladuz: do you have a web browser on the server computer?01:16
vladuzemX: yes01:16
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naliothsinferno: in the future, use "checkinstall"01:17
emXvladuz: go to checkip.dyndns.org01:17
vladuzemX: nalioth : i am on the router page  now01:17
sinfernonalioth, i dont have that01:17
emXvladuz: on the server computer, open a browser and go to checkip.dyndns.org01:17
sinfernonalioth, is it in apt?01:17
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naliothemX: if vladuz is not ip-forwarded or dmz'd his box will never hear the requests01:17
emXvladuz: that'll give you the 'external' IP address01:17
sinfernonalioth, anyways, how do i uninstall this01:17
naliothsinferno: yes01:17
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A[D] minSnivida working now01:17
naliothsinferno: and it's used in place of "make install"01:17
emXnalioth: should do that first, true.01:18
ed1they nalioth01:18
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vladuzemX: ok i got the ip01:18
sinfernonalioth, ok i got it01:18
gangjavitisanyone had any luck running ubuntu PPC?01:18
Rawplayeris there an official ubuntu ppc channel?01:18
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naliothsinferno: you have a mess, but i'd find the "cedega" binary and remove it01:18
jadugarr84has anyone here sucessfully used gnome-launch-box that is in backports?01:18
vladuzemX: but i still can't connect01:18
emXvladuz: now you need to configure your router to pass information from the internet to a computer on your internal network01:18
emXvladuz: this is called IP forwarding, usually.01:18
vladuzemX: do you know how to do that01:19
sinfernonalioth, theres no command to remove all directories linked to a program?01:19
emXvladuz: it depends on what kind of router you have.01:19
A[D] minSGuys is there Games 3D under Linux ?01:19
emXvladuz: do you know the manufacturer and model?01:19
A[D] minSor Games as in windows01:19
vladuzemX: westell 327w01:19
naliothvladuz: find the "dmz" setting on your routers admin page and add your home boxes IP (the 192.168 one) to it01:19
sinfernonalioth, cause theres several folders i will need to remove01:19
A[D] minSmy young brother will kill me if i culdn't find good games :)01:19
ubotuBugger all, i dunno, ChurcH_of_FoamY01:19
naliothsinferno: i'd rename them (for safety reasons)01:19
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naliothChurcH_of_FoamY: is there a problem with the browser selections that are "free"?01:20
rg58smai need help with my user UID01:20
rg58smaplease is urgent!!!01:20
vladuzemX: nalioth:  i have port forwarding and  trigger ports01:20
tritiumgangjavitis, many people, yes01:20
gangjavitisrg58sma what's wrong?01:20
ChurcH_of_FoamYum no but i want to try it just to see what it's like anyway01:20
rg58smai have problem creating my user01:20
MadpilotA[D] minS: install Scorched3d from the repos, it's great & 3d01:20
rg58smaand i wanna create a new user01:21
rg58smalike installation01:21
A[D] minSokay thx Madpilot01:21
ChurcH_of_FoamYbesides if it ends up being an inconvience to use it without regestering it i'll just hack it01:21
emXvladuz: can you configure port forwarding to point port 22 (ssh) incoming to your server's IP address (192.168.X.X)?01:21
gangjavitisrg58 what problems are you having?01:21
naliothvladuz: no "dmz" under game settings, perhaps?01:21
A[D] minSMadpilot,  u r pilot ?01:21
paxsinferno: here's a tip when you roll your own. make a list with: find / | grep -v -e ^/dev/ -e ^/tmp/  -e^ /pro/ > preinstall-programname.list. Then install your program and run the same command with postinstall-programname. At the end run: diff prinstall-programname.list preinstall-programname.list > installed-programname.list  <--now you have a list of file to delete and where they are to uninstall01:21
sinfernonalioth, well like it made a virtual c drive and everything, i would rather not go thru searching for parts of the install deleting things01:21
MadpilotA[D] minS: yes, I've got my private pilot's license01:21
sinfernonalioth, theres alot of things that cedega installs01:21
emXnalioth: i think westell calls DMZ static nat.01:21
rg58smai wanna create a new user with root permition like the user of instalation01:21
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vladuznalioth: i can't find game settings01:21
gangjavitisan adminstrator?01:21
emXvladuz: any 'static nat' settings?01:22
vladuzemX:  it asks for global port range and base host port01:22
sinfernopax, ohhh cool01:22
naliothvladuz: emX may have an answer01:22
A[D] minSGreaaaat ... Madpilot  am studying in Civil aviation in Egypt :)01:22
vladuzemx yest01:22
MadpilotChurcH_of_FoamY: Opera have a Ubuntu deb available - www.opera.com/download01:22
emXvladuz: and there's also 'port forwarding'?01:22
A[D] minSlooool delete first "in"01:22
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vladuzemX: static NAT enabled for
MadpilotA[D] minS: I'm (slowly) working toward my Commercial license, part-time...01:22
gangjavitisrg58 pretty sure you need root access to do that, do you have root access?01:22
vladuzemX: yes have port forwarding01:22
levanderIt seems like nautilus writes some temporary image file for any DVD it's about to burn.  Anybody know where this is located?01:23
gangjavitisok so01:23
gangjavitiswhat exaclty is stopping you?01:23
rg58smayes i have a root access01:23
emXvladuz: static nat will forward ALL traffic to the interal server; port forwarding will forward only traffic on a certain port01:23
rg58smabut i wanna create a user like installation make01:23
emXvladuz: if you're comfortable exposing all ports, use static nat.01:23
emXvladuz: if you're not, try port forwarding01:23
ChurcH_of_FoamYi'm using debian 3.0 right?01:23
naliothlevander: k3b burns on the fly, fwiw01:23
ChurcH_of_FoamYi know it's not sarge01:23
ChurcH_of_FoamYisen't it woody?01:23
vladuzemX: what would be the drawback01:23
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homer2how do i change my system hostname01:24
emXvladuz: you might want to go with port forwarding for now...01:24
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vladuzemX: ok, for port forwarding what do i enter for global port range?01:24
emXvladuz: the more ports available, the more possible ways for a cracker to break into your computer01:24
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ChurcH_of_FoamYi'm using debian 3.0 right? thats what ubuntu comes with yes?01:25
emXvladuz: you want to forward port 22 (ssh) to your internal computer01:25
paxhostname mamamia or edit /etc/hostname01:25
naliothvladuz: emX this isnt windows01:25
naliothvladuz: emX i have my *nix boxen all open to the net01:25
emXnalioth: :-) no reason to expose ports unnecessarily01:25
HiddenWolfChurcH_of_FoamY, debian is not ubuntu.01:25
paxChurcH_of_FoamY: cat /etc/debian_version01:25
naliothemX: vladuz should only have port 22 listening01:26
ChurcH_of_FoamYok ubuntu is built on debian01:26
emXnalioth: *should*; does?01:26
vladuzemX: nalioth: so for global port range i type form 22 - 2201:26
emXvladuz: that should be fine.01:26
ChurcH_of_FoamYyou use ubuntu and don't know that?01:26
vladuzemX: and for base host port01:26
paxChurcH_of_FoamY: 3.1 you're using sarge01:26
emXvladuz: that should be the same (22), i think01:26
emXvladuz: i'm not very familiar with westell's interface...01:27
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vladuzemX: then the last thing it asks is TCP or UDP01:27
emXvladuz: TCP01:27
khermansAnyone know how to get VNCREC installed??01:27
vladuzemX: ssh -vv still doesn't connedt01:27
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naliothChurcH_of_FoamY: that is uncalled for in here01:28
emXvladuz: did you configure the port forward to point to the server's local IP (192....)?01:28
ChurcH_of_FoamYnalioth sorry >.<01:28
A[D] minSMadpilot, is there something like fifa or need 4 speed under Linux ?01:28
vladuzemX: it didn't ask me for the ip01:28
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emXvladuz: hmmm. it should; there's no real point to port forwarding if there's nobody to forward *to*01:28
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flipyI need help unistalling some package...01:29
X7Canybody using wifi with ubuntu?01:29
emXX7C: yep01:29
MadpilotA[D] minS: not sure. check http://www.happypenguin.org/  or  http://tuxgames.com/01:29
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X7CemX how do you connect to the AP?01:29
paxX7C: have you tried https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto01:30
X7Cdo you have it statically settup? or are you using some kind of script for automating or t least makint it easy and flexible01:30
argosI'm brand new to ubuntu and Linux. Could'nt get wifi to work but cable works...01:30
chaps0063X7C: yes.01:30
X7Cahm.. nope. :p01:30
chaps0063X7C: what kind of security are you using on your wireless?01:31
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emXvladuz: any luck? find anything else in the router's dialogs?01:31
vladuzemX: can you look at this? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/66801:31
emXvladuz: sure. hang on.01:32
X7Cchaps0063 X7C: what kind of security are you using on your wireless? << none01:32
LeeColletonI'd like to do some benchmark tests on my SAMBA server.  Does anyone know how to do this?01:32
chaps0063X7C: ah, I see.01:32
Razor-XLeeColleton: benchmark a local server?01:32
X7Ci know it works i had my computer routing inet to other computers via wifi on ad-hoc mode01:33
emXvladuz: looks like you got it to work. could you log in?01:33
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paxLeeColleton: sudo apt-get install swat01:33
chaps0063X7C: so what exactly are you trying to do?01:33
X7Cbut i wanna make my wifi interface just turn on and scan for networks so i can connect01:33
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vladuzemX: no password doesn't work01:33
stetyRand therefore it is seen well huge kise to change of resolucion but me does not give but options the limit says is 1024 my monitor is of 19' my card is ati radeon 9200l that is my main problem 07:36 I can live without sound but without video01:33
chaps0063sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid any01:33
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X7Ci had statically set up the network when i was sharing inet01:33
emXvladuz: well, the connection looks fine. are you using the correct username/password?01:33
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chaps0063X7C: that should pick things up...01:34
ubotuextra, extra, read all about it, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto01:34
X7Ci wont' :p01:34
Razor-XX7C: hah ;)01:34
emXvladuz: just to be sure, try this: 'ssh -v USER@HOST' where USER is the username on the HOST (and HOST is the server's IP)01:34
vladuzemX:how do i specify the username01:34
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Razor-Xmind me, i'm LaTeXing, so I won't be helping very interactively01:34
X7Cit's weird01:34
vladuzemX: hey it worked01:35
chaps0063X7C: iwlist eth1 scanning01:35
emXvladuz: great! congrats.01:35
X7Cwon't spit nothing out01:35
vladuzemX: thanks so much01:35
naliothRazor-X: emacs implant coming up soon?01:35
X7Cit prints no scan results01:35
emXvladuz: no problem.01:35
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Razor-Xnalioth: mmmm, that would be awesome01:35
X7Cmaybe i'll reboot and do that cause i already kinda messed around a lot with iwconfig01:35
chaps0063X7C: ok.01:35
emXvladuz: your IP address will probably change, though, assuming you're on DSL/cable01:35
Razor-Xa cranial emacs implant would be crazy01:35
levanderHow safe is it to remove stuff out of /tmp if I need the space for something temporary?01:35
ubotuchaps0063: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?01:35
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X7Csee ya01:36
emXvladuz: so instead of having to manually check your server's IP all the time, check out dyndns.org (or similar)01:36
ChurcH_of_FoamYnalioth did you get that pm?01:36
chaps0063has anyone done anything with WPA-PSK?01:36
naliothChurcH_of_FoamY: did you send me one?01:36
tritiumchaps0063, try !info wpasupplicant01:36
chaps0063!info wpasupplicant01:36
ubotuwpasupplicant: (Client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i)), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 0.3.8-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 135 kB, Installed size: 376 kB01:36
vladuzemX: i will thanks01:36
emXvladuz: they provide a service (and a client available on Ubuntu) to automatically point a domain name (like vladuz.ath.cx) to your server's IP01:37
naliothChurcH_of_FoamY: look at your server window for a msg01:37
emXvladuz: good luck.01:37
khermansAnyone here try vncrec?01:37
ChurcH_of_FoamYoh ok then can you pm me? so i can talk to you for a min?01:37
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chaps0063tritium: the manual pages are short..hehe.01:38
naliothChurcH_of_FoamY: identify yourself to nickserv01:38
naliothChurcH_of_FoamY: type /msg nickserv help01:38
ChurcH_of_FoamYi tryed in the past and it won't do it01:38
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snackalotneed to know how to install realplayer please01:38
khermanssnackalot, ubuntuguide.org01:38
snackalotthank you01:38
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tritiumchaps0063, enjoy :)01:39
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naliothkhermans: please avoid recommending the guide, it can lead new users into trouble01:39
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iobossi have a problem with dependences..01:39
chaps0063tritium: will do...01:40
khermansnalioth, why?01:40
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ubotuhmm... ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.01:40
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nickrudnalioth, in this case, it's not bad advice :)01:40
khermansnalioth, explain to me how to get vncrec working01:41
ChurcH_of_FoamYok i had to regester something musta changed cause i did this twice now lol01:41
nickrudkhermans, nalioth is right in general, though01:41
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paxnalioth unless the doc team start moving, the guide will be used no matter what, especially for codecs related stuff.01:42
queuetueHello.  What is a tool I can use to turn a handful of mp3s into an audio disc?01:42
homer2how do i configure my internet in ubuntu01:42
Gnobodythe only thing I really disagree with in UbuntuGuide is the use of Azureus and Limewire01:42
LeeColletonqueuetue: mp3burn01:42
argosnick Eazy_Rider01:42
tritiumGnobody, the lack of mentioning java-package is another01:42
paxhomer2: use network-admin01:42
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Gnobodyand suggesting burning programs over nautilus-burn01:42
LeeColletonqueuetue: works for ogg vorbis and flac, too01:42
Gnobodynautilus-burn "just works!"01:43
khermansquazion_, try k3b for that and burning01:43
naliothnickrud: not saying it was, just advising to avoid recommending the guide in general01:43
nickrudand rp-pppoe instead of pppconfig01:43
queuetueGnobody, It works for audio, or for data cds?01:43
naliothpax: the team IS moving (see the wiki to see what has changed)01:43
GnobodyIm not sure about audio disks01:43
nickrudnalioth, yeah, I backed off on that as quickly as I could01:44
Gnobodybut it works great for data cds/dvds01:44
khermansqueuetue, k3b works for all CD/DVD types01:44
paxnalioth, politics aside and between you and me, the guide is not *that* bad for newbs01:44
GnobodyI could burn a CD image to a DVD no questions asked01:44
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Gnobodyin nautilus-burn01:44
chaps0063starting out as semi-n00b, I used the guide and its not too bad.01:44
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MIK3MANhey everyone, chattin to you on my new ubuntu box01:45
queuetuekhermans, and if I could stand the kde interface, I might check it out. :)01:45
nickrudpax, giving instructions (maybe bad, maybe good, which is irrelevant) without any explanation is bad01:45
naliothpax: parts of it are great, but new users are not able to tell the wheat from the chaff01:45
paxif people want to educate them selves in a serious way they will go to bn.com and grab books. most just want a command or two to install this thingy or than program01:45
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tritiumMIK3MAN, finally, huh?01:45
naliothpax: and the chaff will break their systems01:45
snackalotkhermans sure is vague to busy to help a nubi01:45
huttanHello, I just installed ubuntu 5.04 on my toshiba laptop and when it tries to boot it freezes on "Starting hotplug subsystem..." Anyone here that knows what might be wrong?01:45
MIK3MANcan someone give me a repository for bittorrentgui?01:45
chaps0063huttan: do you have any devices attached to it, printer, usb drive, etc?01:45
MIK3MANtritium: yeah!! thanks to you....01:46
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huttanchaps0063, onlything is an wireless networkcard01:46
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paxnalioth I dont think so, but respect your opinion. some in the doc team themselve use the guide we're talking about, enough said.01:46
chaps0063huttan: did you try taking that out and letting it boot?01:46
tritiumMIK3MAN, only in part :)01:46
iobosswhere i can find libasound2 1.09?01:46
huttanchaps0063, yepp. same problem01:46
naliothMIK3MAN: gnome-bittorrent doesnt work for you?01:46
snackalotdose anyone have a repository for realplayer01:47
chaps0063huttan: hmm...weird...01:47
huttanchaps0063, yes, I never had this problem before01:47
nickrudMIK3MAN, a good tool is apt-cache search, try using bittorrent with that01:47
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paxsnackalot: you want to edit your sources.list to include packports and then sudo apt-get install realplayer01:47
MIK3MANnalioth: yeah it worked, but its strange.. I like the more advanced features of bitorrnado01:47
naliothpax: if you are an experienced *nix user, the guide is great01:47
huttanchaps0063, Do you think it would work with an older ubuntu version ?01:47
khermansis there a channel for VNC ?01:48
iobossi'm italian, somebody can help me?01:48
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naliothioboss: is there and #ubuntu-it?01:48
Mavrohi there01:48
chaps0063huttan: i don't have the slightest...I just started using it about a month or so ago, i did the only troubleshooting i know :-)01:48
iobossnalioth, tnx.. :p i'm newbie01:48
huttanchaps0063, heh01:48
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Eazy_RiderHello people i'm an old windows junkie trying out linux (ubuntu) for the first time. Where can i find help on how to connect to my Windows network?01:48
poutineI'm currently installing ubuntu from a cd I got in the mail, and it errors out trying to copy bsdutils with a "input/output" error, weirdly it installed fine before, I'm having to IRC using netcat to get here, so p01:48
Will_Can linux help me get a green card?01:49
khermansWill_, only if you marry it01:49
nickrudWill_, if you get good, someone will want to hire you :)01:49
poutineAs I was saying, weirdly, it installed fine before when I used the entire hard drive01:49
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snackalotpax thanks ill try it01:49
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paxWill_: yes Linux can help you achieve that if you apply online to be join the us army01:49
Mavroanyone using zoom usb adsl modem here with ubuntu?01:49
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x\hi, anyone plays ETF in here?01:50
poutineIrcing using netcat is unbearable in here, brb01:50
khermanspax, apply to the US army if you want to lose your life for nothing these days...01:50
naliothpax: don't listen to them, join the navy or air force  instead01:50
ed1thow is linux gonna help ya get a green card?01:50
tritiumkhermans, please, that's offtopic01:50
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paxkhermans: freedom is not free. but let's not talk about that here by respect for the topic, I just answered will's question01:51
ubotuwell, sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3206301:51
khermanstritium, he started it ;-)01:51
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poutineI'm trying to install unbuntu on my other computer, it installed ubuntu fine before, and this cd *just* came out of the slip cover, yet it errors always installing "bsdutils" how can I make it select an external source or fix this?01:51
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HrdwrBoBpoutine: if it's a burnt CD01:52
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tritiumkhermans, but you turned it into a political rant.  Please avoid sensitive politics in here.  Thanks.01:52
poutinethis is a ubuntu cd from ship-it01:52
HrdwrBoBpoutine: there is a problem with some CD drives and the CD at that exact point01:52
concept10nickrud, rate>01:52
poutineit worked fine before....01:52
naliothpoutine: some of those cds didnt press well01:52
anto9usyes, you'll upset us communists01:52
ed1tpoutine, some ubuntu cds are corrupted01:52
HrdwrBoBI encountered the issue myself01:52
naliothpoutine: can you find a burnt copy (from a freind or library)?01:52
poutinewell thanks for the free coasters01:52
poutineNo, i'll see if I can find the cd I used earlier01:53
HrdwrBoBpoutine: well, my advice would be to grab the iso off that CD01:53
bojangleswell for your wifi issues...Intel has finally fuck it...just take our expensive wifi driver code for free and put it in your damn constantly changing kernel....so there should be some support now for a few intel nics01:53
chaps0063poutine: almost like aol cds?01:53
HrdwrBoBpoutine: then rsync the image and then burn it01:53
tritiumanto9us, please don't01:53
ed1tpoutine, download the iso image from ubuntulinux.org01:53
poutinecan I somehow keep going with the installation from the point I left off if I have a working CD?01:53
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homer2can i hav a $01:53
bojanglesbut we are more interested in who has the tunable lasers working on their local area networks.01:53
HrdwrBoBpoutine: yes01:53
HrdwrBoBjust stick it in and retry01:54
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naliothpoutine: HrdwrBoB's advice is quicker01:54
poutineHrdwrBoB: umm, well no, I'd need to unmount it first01:54
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HrdwrBoBpoutine: heh, point01:54
poutineand it doesn't seem to be reading off the cd drive during that point01:54
HrdwrBoBpoutine: console is on alt-f201:54
poutineI think it copies it to memory01:54
poutineyeah I know, already tried that01:54
HrdwrBoBthe error is usually when it's trying to copy01:54
poutineok, I'll try unmounting it and selecting the same step I was at01:55
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liquidboyis this correct: metacity and sawfish are window managers, but not in the same way as fluxbox is (like they can't be used on their own)01:56
huttanHello, I just installed ubuntu 5.04 on my toshiba laptop and when it tries to boot it freezes on "Starting hotplug subsystem..." Anyone here that knows what might be wrong?01:56
seth_khuttan: you aren't running on battery by any chance?01:57
huttanseth_k, tried booth01:57
poutineyou know, if you're going to say, "Linux for human beings" the installer needs a helluva lot of work01:57
seth_khuttan: I see this on my Dell Inspiron 600m when wireless is enabled on boot with ndiswrapper. Sound like you?01:57
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huttanseth_k, sounds very much like me01:57
Eazy_RiderWhere can i get help on how to access the files on my windows network from my ubuntu-laptop?01:57
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u19809hi all, the arping utility that comes standard with ubuntu is very limited01:57
huttanEazy_Rider, samba01:58
u19809I want the debian arping package. How can I install it ?01:58
corvixthink so?01:58
seth_khuttan: only happens to me when on battery :( however could you visit https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9942 and describe your system configuration?01:58
poutineI've installed NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Solaris 8-10/sparc, debian, and pretty much every other linux operating system before and I've never had as much trouble with it01:58
Eazy_RiderInstalled samba, no go...01:58
flodinecan someone tell me how to get gaim installed01:58
tritiumpoutine, it's the debian installer, so its ease should be >= that of debian ;)01:58
corvixafaik its installed ..01:58
huttanEazy_Rider, you gotta mount your windowsshare with samba01:58
flodinedhoot me or help me01:59
u19809corvix : talking to me ?01:59
seth_kflodine: easy, easy. Someone will get to you01:59
corvixno more like flodine01:59
chaps0063flodine: patience.01:59
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seth_kflodine: sudo aptitude install gaim01:59
knowledge_Can someone tell me where I can find ncurses-devel from?01:59
huttanEazy_Rider, ie. mount -t smbfs -o username=xxxx,password=xxxx,uid=xxx,gid=xxx //name/share /mount/point or something01:59
seth_k!info ncurses-devel02:00
huttanEazy_Rider, been a while since I messed with it02:00
Eazy_Riderhuttan: ok, guess i'm too new to linux. Will do some samba and linux reading..02:00
flodineseth_k it wont give me 1.402:00
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Eazy_Riderthanks huttan. i'll look into that.02:00
|rockinnerd|how does one add the multiverse again?02:00
naliothflodine: you may need to compile from scratch, if you want the new hotness02:00
seth_kflodine: 1.4 isn't in hoary.02:00
tritiumknowledge_, try "apt-cache search ncurses | grep dev"02:00
seth_knalioth: there's a 1.4 backport02:00
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naliothseth_k: ah02:00
flodineseth_k can i install with a deb file02:01
Burgundaviacorvix, please don't recommend ubuntguide02:01
naliothcorvix: please dont blindly advise ubuntuguide02:01
tritiumknowledge_, apt-cache searching can be very useful02:01
naliothflodine: debian debs may damage your ubuntu02:01
seth_kflodine: add the backports repositories if you want 1.4. But better to just wait on Breezy02:01
corvixbut for that multiverse thing it should be obvious02:01
anto9usif I have 2 nics in a system 1 with an internal ip and a netmask and the other nic with an external IP and a netmask, and connected through the same hubs/switches... would that bork it? I seem to be having intermittent problems over the external link. Do I need to subnet my internal addresses?02:01
bojanglesnobody has the tunable laser approach working on their local area networks yet...what is the hangup02:01
evo|ution1is dere someway too boot to iso files from a hard drive02:01
HrdwrBoBanybody help me with a raid/LVM issue?02:01
jasoncohenhas anyone tried upgrading from debian sarge to ubuntu hoary?02:02
poutineevo|ution1: yes and no02:02
poutinesince you're asking, I'd say no02:02
bojanglesjasoncohen, i run both02:02
bojanglesjasoncohen, but not changed from one to the other02:02
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poutineyour best bet is to find someone with a cd burner02:02
|rockinnerd|nevermind my question02:02
HrdwrBoBI have an LVM volume on a raid5 set and the LVM makes the raid set in use so I can't shut it down02:02
knowledge_tritium, yo're the man02:02
jasoncohenbojangles, sarge's 2.6.8 gives me kernel page faults and 2.6.11 doesn't compile ivtv correctly for me. i think i was able to do it using hoary's 2.6.10 kernel02:02
evo|ution1poutine, i have a cd burner but isnt dere a way02:02
tritiumknowledge_, glad it helped :)02:03
evo|ution1if linu can be installed from ftp based services than why not via iso file on a har disk02:03
Burgundaviajasoncohen, sarge is newer than hoary02:03
bojanglesjasoncohen, ok..there must be a few header changes...so you just have to experiment.02:03
tritiumjasoncohen, 2.6.11 is unsupported, and shouldn't be used (for example, no l-r-m)02:03
Burgundaviajasoncohen, sarge --> breezy is possible02:03
ChurcH_of_FoamYhmm opera is quick and has some nice features but i don't like the interface >.<02:03
poutineevo|ution1: Well, you could make a partition, copy it to that partition, and set it as bootable, but the problem would be, that partition would have to remain persistant through installation, and some scripts may need edited since it thinks it's booting off a cd, that's why I said, if you're asking, the answer is probably no02:03
jasoncohenBurgundavia, sarge was frozen for a while so most packages are behind the version in hoary but i guess i should wait until breezy is released to try it02:04
evo|ution1i got ur point02:04
poutineif you have a burner what's the problem?02:04
|rockinnerd|ChurcH_of_FoamY, you can change the interface if u use skins, and custom layouts02:04
robert_pectolWhat is the default starting priority for acpid and apmd in Ubuntu?  Could someone go into their /etc/rc5.d directory and tell me what number is assigned to each?  Thanks!02:04
ChurcH_of_FoamYoh ok02:04
naliothjasoncohen: far easier woody > hoary02:04
ChurcH_of_FoamYwell i'll try that then02:04
ChurcH_of_FoamYit is a very quick browser02:04
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jasoncohennalioth, yeah, i would imagine02:05
Burgundaviajasoncohen, the key thing is that sarge has a newer libc02:05
seth_krobert_pectol: 2002:05
jasoncohenBurgundavia, ah, that's going to be a bitch02:05
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jasoncohento downgrade02:05
nickrudrobert_pectol, I looked in rc2.d, since it's the default init and they're 2002:05
robert_pectolnickrud and seth_k:  Thank you!02:05
naliothjasoncohen: from sarge > hoary, its not much of an upgrade/downgrade, more like mix-n-natch02:06
benplautis there some hybrid (linux or WINE'able) that does web design tasks but works more like a graphic design program?02:06
naliothbenplaut: like quanta, nvu or bluefish?02:06
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|rockinnerd|quanta isn't wysiwyg though02:07
benplautnalioth: except without frame hell...02:07
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poutinedon't you find that there's already enough websites around that look like they were made in frontpage benplaut?02:07
jasoncohenthanks for the help guys02:07
jasoncoheni'll try with 2.6.11 again02:08
benplauti'm in a state of throw-either-$300-or-my-dad-out-the-window at the moment02:08
poutinetell me where you live, and I'd suggest the $30002:08
nickrudbenplaut, go for the money02:08
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benplauti get about $40 an hour cleaning up spyware'd computers02:09
poutineI doubt that02:09
nickrudso, a days work to keep dad happy? priceless :)02:09
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poutineif so, it's probably one person, who is related to you who is paying that02:10
bojanglesjasoncohen, but like all the others before you....if you can't get your driver code to work....you can just give all your expensive proprietary code to Linus for free and he and his leutenants will make an effort to include for everyone for free in their constantly changing kernel02:10
dychi. I have attempted to install hoary on a amd 64, however i get the error: cannot find partitionable media02:10
benplautmy dad still thinks it's worth finishing the $300 web design job that i've hardly started with, and already spent about 15 hours on02:10
poutinedyc: SATA?02:10
benplaut40/hr isn't very far off02:10
naliothbenplaut: use bluefish02:10
benplautcleaning a computer takes about an hour02:10
dycpoutine: yes02:10
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knowledge_guys, how can when I do make menuconfig, how can I find out what it loads for my wifi, so when I recomile my kernel I could re-enable it02:10
benplautand i do flat rates02:11
poutinedyc: nfi02:11
benplautnalioth: not all of us are coders...02:11
naliothbenplaut: then use NVU02:11
knowledge_wow...I don't think i've ever put together a worse sentence02:11
poutinedyc: You need some sort of module to recognize the SATA drive02:11
poutinethat's all I can tell you02:11
jasoncohenbojangles, it's actually on open source driver - see chris kennedy's ivtv driver02:11
benplautnalioth: frames hell02:11
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naliothbenplaut: i'm not understanding "frames hell"02:11
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benplautread the post02:11
nickrudbenplaut, sometimes you have to eat the job, to get a good reccomendation. Balance your needs.02:11
bojanglesjasoncohen, well linus is into free and gpl...so if they hand over all rights to the code  forever....they can give it to linus02:12
benplauti'm incapable of doing the job!02:12
benplauti've never done web design in my life02:12
poutineGPL != free02:12
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nickrudsubcontracting is good02:12
poutineGPL == free if you're living in russia02:12
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benplaut've tried several times, but always failed becuase of frames. or is it tables. or is it dividors? i have no idea...02:13
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|rockinnerd|poutine, why so?02:13
vladuzdoes anybody here know how to use wall write or talk?02:13
bob2GPl = one perfectly valid definition of Free02:13
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bob2vladuz: lots of people do02:13
naliothbenplaut: according to the post, there's not much else available to you02:13
bob2knowledge_: it's fairly likely the driver for your wireless card doesn't come with the stock kernel02:14
benplautthat's my problem :)02:14
vladuzbob2: so how do i write to someone, i read the man but it says little02:14
bob2knowledge_: why are you compiling a new kernel?02:14
vladuzwrite username message?02:14
benplauti'm thinking wine'd fireworks MX02:14
DobsHi all.  Quick question, I think.  I've a new wireless card, which I've yet to get working.  I think I have the ndiswrapper and driver installed.  But on iwconfig I get no wireless extensions detected.  Should I conclude that the card is simply not detected?02:14
benplautmaybe flash will work02:14
naliothbenplaut: and i'm still lost on "frames hell"02:14
poutine|rockinnerd|: I'm not going to get into the politics of licensing, but I find it funny that one of the only ways to make money off linux (as a non-programmer) is through support, and people give it away for free on IRC02:14
benplautare you a web designer?02:14
naliothbenplaut: i have done a few sites, yes02:15
benplautthen you won't understand02:15
knowledge_bob2, when I install ubuntu my network card works...then I follow this how to on making my alps touchpad work better...and BAM it stops working02:15
bob2vladuz: "write username"02:15
|rockinnerd|Well, according to the GPL and various interpetations, you can charge for software, but it probably won't succeed, because you must give away the source for free02:15
poutineDobs: my Netgear WRT511G costs less than $50 on most e-tailers, works great on linux and freebsd02:15
bob2vladuz: assuming that the user is only logged in once02:15
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bob2|rockinnerd|: er, only to the people you sold the binaries to02:16
benplautgive a graphic designer a web design program, and all the frames run into each other, overlap, don't fill up like they should, etc02:16
nickrudbenplaut, no, but I've done contracting, and paid people more than I made to get the contract completed. Be more careful about the jobs you take in the future :)02:16
vladuzbob2: and where does the message go?02:16
benplauti didn't take it02:16
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benplauti was given it02:16
dannybs with ubuntu and real player 10 codec for firefox02:16
bob2vladuz: to the terminal they're logged in to02:16
dannysomebody could help me??02:16
benplautjust ignore me... i'm just venting02:16
DobsPoutine.  Good.  But when you type iwconfig, you automatically see the card detected, don't you?02:16
nickrudbenplaut :)02:16
bob2vladuz: if hey logged in with GDM, it goes to one of their xterms02:16
DobsThis one is a linksys. It should work02:17
benplautventing is a virtue :)02:17
bob2danny: maybe #ubuntu-nl would be a better place to ask02:17
dannyok thnx02:17
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bojanglespoutine, well you are wrong by a long shot....they give the advice away for free so no one else can make any money.02:17
bob2knowledge_: yes, probably because you're rbuilding the kernel and losing all the extra modules ubuntu has02:17
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benplautlets see what this so called "Macromedia Fireworks MX" can do02:17
bob2bojangles: poutine this seems more approriate for #licensing or #ubuntu-offtopic02:17
bojanglespoutine, but the chip manufacturers like IBM, Intel, AMD, Sun, SGI, and a few others make billions of dollars off of linux02:18
|rockinnerd|knowledge_, try make oldconfig if u have the .config file02:18
poutinebob2: see "I'm not going to get into the politics of licensing"02:18
bojanglespoutine, it is just that you cannot.02:18
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poutineit's not that I cannot02:18
bob2poutine: cool, thanks02:18
poutineI'm a commercial developer02:18
bob2bojangles: please don't02:18
DobsEven without particular configuration, a wireless card should be detectable.  How can I confirm that?02:18
poutinelspci -v02:18
poutineI think02:18
poutineor pciconf -v02:18
DobsI'll try that.02:18
poutinesomething like that02:18
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nickrudDobs, lspci, for internal, or lsusb02:19
bob2define "detectable".  the kernel cis aware of the physical existence of all usb and pci devices, but that doesn't help it use them.02:19
dannyubuntu-nl is already in sleeep :(:(:(:(02:19
dannyno answer02:19
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bob2iwconfig will only show devices with working and loaded wireless drivers02:19
DobsOK bob2.  It doesn't show a card unless its ready to run?  That's worth knowing.02:20
dannyhow do I install media player 10 in linux ubuntu////02:20
bob2danny: you can't02:20
dannyi mean real player 1002:20
bob2danny: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats02:20
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Dobswow! lspci -v gives me a lot of information, but not informatoin that I understand.02:20
poutinetry without the -v02:21
dannyreal player 10 i meant02:21
poutine-v == verbose02:21
bojanglespoutine, if you want to see who is making the money go look at all the chip manufacturers supported by Debian02:21
DobsI did that too, but I don't see linksys.02:21
bojanglespoutine, they support more than anybody02:21
|rockinnerd|Dobs lspci -v | grep -e linksys02:21
nickrudDobs, try lsusb, if it's a usb device02:21
poutinebojangles: I have no doubt billion dollar companies are making billions more off of free software, it's more the "ordinary person" category I worry about02:21
dannyHow can I install real player 10 in linux ubuntu02:21
bob2danny: go read that page02:22
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|rockinnerd|danny, follow the yellow-bricked link02:22
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bob2Dobs: it's likely linksys is not in the output of lspci02:22
dannyi did it didnt work02:22
micahfhey guys02:22
DobsThat's a good plan.  And if grep doesn't find it, can I conclude that it's not detected?02:22
bojanglespoutine, well...the ordinary person can always start up a multibillion dollar fab and compete....nobody stops them02:22
knowledge_see what boggles me is this....before I reinstalled "sudo make-kpkg --us --uc --initrd --append_to_version "-5-386-alps" kernel_image kernel_headers kernel_source" worked...I reinstalled ubuntu because my wifi card wasn't working...and now that command isn't working02:22
bob2since it probably rebadged someone else's card02:22
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bob2Dobs: no, not at all02:22
poutinebojangles: If you really think that, you're in fantasyland02:22
DobsAha bob2. I think that too.  So, what should I be looking for?02:22
knowledge_it says something about kpkg not being there02:22
micahfdoes ubuntu support pci-e graphics cards well?02:22
micahfbecause I'm a mac dude and I'm about to build a PC02:22
AlexanROdoes ubuntu use clearlooks theme?02:22
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dannyi did made use of the terminal to install it02:22
crimsunAlexanRO: by default, yes02:22
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bob2knowledge_: er, so, install it?  it's in the kernel-package package.02:23
micahfand does vram matter on a PCIe graphics card?02:23
AlexanROty, time to switch to ubuntu02:23
micahfactually, I might just use gentoo02:23
poutineif those billion dollar companies didn't have enough capital to not have to worry about other people using their "secrets", their software wouldn't be released under open source licenses02:23
Thewarmachineany idea what a really fast cd ripper would be?02:23
poutinecapital + market share02:23
Thewarmachinepoutine: I agree02:23
DobsWhat might indicate wireless card in the output of lspci, if not the manufacturer's name?  Or the word wireless?02:23
DobsCos I don't find those.02:23
bob2Thewarmachine: basically everything is a frontend to cdparanoia02:24
poutineDobs: you're looking for the chipset02:24
vladuzdoes anybody here know of somthing called dyndns client02:24
DobsAnd yet the card has a light shining.02:24
|rockinnerd|Dobs, wlan0 if it's up02:24
DobsIt's not up02:24
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poutinenot the name of the card that was on the box02:24
bob2Dobs: 0000:02:02.0 Network controller: Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04)02:24
knowledge_bob2, I see...02:24
bob2Dobs: that's what I get for mine, so try searching for Network02:24
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bob2vladuz: ddt-client is the packeg you want, iirc02:24
nickrudvladuz, take a look at ddclient, that' supposed to work with dyndns02:25
poutineif KFC just started yesterday, and they released their secret recipe under the GPL, do you think they'd be in business long?02:25
DobsNo network mentioned, except for ethernet. that's the wirey connection though02:25
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|rockinnerd|Dobs, is your card PCMICA, PCI, or USB02:25
vladuznickrud: the thing for the ip right02:26
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DobsEither pcmcia or pci, I don't know actually02:26
DobsNot usb02:26
micahfhey! does anyone know how VRAM works on PCIe cards?02:26
micahfgraphics cards?02:26
micahfand do they work with X?02:26
nickrudvladuz, try apt-cache show ddclient in a terminal, if the descriptions fits ...02:26
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bob2micahf: yes, they work fine02:26
bob2micahf: assuming your driver supports the pci-e version of cards02:26
ChurcH_of_FoamYyay neoplanet is coming to linux and mac ^_^02:26
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micahfbob2, and how does memory work, I know that some of them say "maximum memory"02:27
bob2micahf: that sounds like marketing crap to me02:27
micahfbob2, are PCIe cards special because they can use shared memory very quickly?02:27
bojanglespoutine, it is not fantasy land....recently a newcomer to linux is making some ARM chips for special purpose devices.02:27
poutinebojangles: with no starting capital from proprietary designs?02:27
bojanglespoutine, you are free to go get billions of dollars and then open your own fab and compete if you can.02:28
bob2micahf: I don't think so02:28
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poutinebojangles: market share + capital02:28
bob2bojangles: poutine this seems more like #ubuntu-offtopic material02:28
micahfbob2, see, I'm wondering why these all of these PCIe cards only have 16-32 mb of vram02:28
vladuznickrud: do you know a little about this?02:28
bojanglespoutine, well the ARM chips don't have a big picture outlook they are focusing on a niche market02:28
bojanglespoutine, but that is what they want to do.02:29
cafuegomicahf: Coz business PCs don need 256MB ram.02:29
poutinebob2: why does everything need to be in it's own separate channel?02:29
bob2micahf: I can't imagine how using shared memory would be faster, but I'm no expert02:29
DobsSo, if no reference to network is in the output of lspci, then I can conclude that I have a problem which is unrelated to drivers etc.02:29
micahfbut I thought PCIe 16x was faster than AGP?02:29
poutinebojangles: how do you figure? Do you know how many embedded devices are powered by ARM chips?02:29
micahfso why would they give them less RAM?02:29
nickrudvladuz, only peripherally, I toyed with it a while back. I believe I used that tool, but my memory may be fuzzy02:29
bob2poutine: because pointless religious wars go nowhere02:29
cafuegomicahf: it is. Still no match for on-board ram though.02:29
micahfwell shit02:30
homer2what ubuntu mirrors are there for apt-get and where do i find them02:30
poutinebob2: Have you ever heard of obsessive compulsive disorder?02:30
vladuznickrud: when it asks to enter a list of fully qualiified domain names for my host, is that where i pick a name or what?02:30
bob2poutine: yes?02:30
micahfI can't figure out which card to buy because all of them say "maximum memory"02:30
micahfinstead of VRAM02:30
bob2homer2: wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive, iirc02:30
cafuegomicahf: The whole point to PCIe is that it isn compatbile with AGP slots, so all fanboys will need to upgrade their CPUs, ram and mainboards *again*.02:30
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poutinebob2: Are you an op here?02:30
bob2poutine: yes02:31
nickrudvladuz, I would look in /usr/share/doc/ddclient for more info, because I don't remember :)02:31
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poutineI kind of figured, what's wrong with people /ignoring others?02:31
bob2poutine: nothing at all02:31
bob2poutine: I don't put anyone on /ignore, tho02:31
poutineI think the separate and classify thing is very ocd-like02:31
bob2that's an interesting viewpoint02:31
bob2I use it as a technique to stop stupid discussions taking over the channel02:31
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qt2is there any way to permanently solve the firefox version problem?02:32
bob2robotgeek: poutine is implying that I have obsessive compulsive disorder02:32
cafuegopoutine: The other 600 users here (including ALL ops) would disagree. The majority is ALWAYS sane, so you lsoe.02:32
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DobsSo, if no reference to network is in the output of lspci, then I can conclude that I have a problem which is unrelated to drivers etc?02:32
bob2Dobs: is it a pci wireless card?02:32
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DobsI think so.02:32
anto9usqt2: use the backports, update and change the vendor id02:32
robotgeekyeah...have we seen the ascii art trolls today?02:32
bob2you need to find that out02:32
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poutinebob2: Well, if people wish to discuss something, why do they have to go somewhere else?02:32
cafuegorobotgeek: dunno, i still have them on ignore02:32
Thewarmachinewhat is gnome-moz-remote02:33
DobsGoogle, I will.02:33
qt2anto9us, "general.useragent.vendorSub"?02:33
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bob2poutine: they don't have to, I was merely suggesting it02:33
poutineok, but I'm asking your opinion02:33
bob2poutine: if the discussion got more stupid and/or disruptive, then I might intervene02:33
DobsGoogle I have.  Yes, it is pci02:33
robotgeekcafuego: if i leave and come back, are they still on ignore?02:33
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poutinerobotgeek: try changing your nick02:33
poutinemost ignore lists are based on that02:33
anto9usqt2: yes02:33
poutineand you can usually tell if someone is ignoring you by pinging them02:34
qt2anto9us, yeah, that's what i've done, but i have to redo it every session... <.<;02:34
poutinethrough the client to client protocol......02:34
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robotgeekpoutine: oh okie...i don't thing i've behaved badly for anyone to ingore me!02:34
anto9usqt2: you're running the updated firefox from the backports?02:34
robotgeekqt2: 1.0.5?02:35
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cafuegorobotgeek: No idea, depend son the ignore and the client. I ignore by hostmask.02:35
robotgeekbut the news is that 1.0.5 has bugs, and they are going to update to 1.0.6, so it's kinda pointless02:36
Thewarmachineis it in the repos yet?02:36
robotgeekcafuego: i think i just used nick. will learn in time :)02:36
DobsSo, it is pci. Sorry to re-present the same question, but I'll go off satisfied if I can find out the following: is lspci makes no mention of wireless, or network, etc. it is safe to assume that the system (for whatever reason) is not detecting the card correctly.  I don't have to worry about drivers etc. yet.  I'm still a few steps away from configuration?02:36
qt2robotgeek, nope, 1.0.4, 1.0.5 isnt in the repo's yet.02:36
poutinebob2: I know a lot about unix, unix-like, and unix-derived systems, I don't go to channels solely to help people (I think that's weird), I go to get questions answered, or when I anticipate a question (I've been having troubles), I like to discuss off topic things, but I'll help someone if I see a question asked which I know the answer to, if I'm having a discussion in another channel, I'm not going to flip back to this one just to02:36
poutine spend time helping someone, do you think that's unreasonable that someone might see a benefit in allowing off topic conversations to happen as long as their tasteful?02:36
bob2of course not02:37
hondjewow, the #ubuntu thesis :)02:37
astronuti'm test driving the ubuntu live cd, and i was wondering if anyone has used a dlink wifi card and wants to help me get it working (dlink says not possible, google says maybe, but ath_pci and other driver's didn'tt work in knoppix as those sites suggest)...02:37
robotgeekqt2: i tht us said the updated firefox02:37
astronuti don't even see the card in lspci at the momment02:37
micahfbob2, actually, surprisingly, PCIe makes it so that GPU's don't need onboard RAM!02:37
micahfsee here: http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/pcie.ars/602:37
hybrid_gotheveryone calm down I am back now02:37
bob2astronut: might need that silly acx_pci module instead02:37
poutinewell, do *you* see a benefit in allowing off topic conversation for the purpose of putting questions in the viewable area for people who potentially know the answer?02:37
bob2micahf: agp does that too, but it's crap and slow02:37
astronutbob2, how do i init the card?02:37
bob2astronut: load the module...02:38
HrdwrBoBmicahf: yeah but they still suck02:38
bob2poutine: yes02:38
qt2robotgeek, the 'updated forefox fromt he backports' refers to '1.0.4-1ubuntu3-5.04ubp5' i believe...02:38
cafuegopoutine: Now imagine 600 people all blabbering off-topic. Why should _you_ get a special treatment?02:38
qt2correct anto9us?02:38
astronutbob2, not sure pcmia sees it02:38
ubotumethinks cedega is http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=4502:38
bob2astronut: oh, ouch02:38
astronutnot sure02:38
astronutacx_pci you said?02:39
Thewarmachineseriously important question02:39
astronutmodprobed, don't see a light on the card02:39
bob2not if it's pcmcia02:39
anto9usqt2: yes02:39
ubotucedega is probably wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega02:39
tritiumpoutine, did you know there's an #ubuntu-offtopic channel ?02:39
Thewarmachineis updating to gcc4.0 a problem02:39
robotgeekqt2: okay..i already have, i guess02:39
bob2Thewarmachine: as the default compiler, yes02:39
astronutacx_init_module: TI acx_pci.o: Ver 0.2.0pre8 Driver initialized, waiting for cards to probe...02:39
astronuti think this does sound like the right module02:39
poutinecafuego: you're assuming everyone here wants to have an offtopic conversation, most people are here solely to get help, they don't know the answers to questions, and I'm willing to bet those people are less likely to participate in geeky conversations02:39
cafuegoNote that acx_pci doesn work proeprly for some acx_111 cards. ndsiwrapper might be a better choice for those.02:39
micahfHrdwrBoB, why do they suck?02:39
Thewarmachinei wanna update firefox, and its telling me to install gcc 4.002:39
bob2astronut: except it's for pci...02:40
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astronutbut not sure how to get the pcmia to recognize02:40
DobsMe again.  The linksys card is pci. Sorry to re-present the same question, but I'll go off satisfied if I can find out the following: if lspci makes no mention of wireless, or network, etc. it is safe to assume that the system (for whatever reason) is not detecting the card correctly.  I don't have to worry about drivers etc. yet.  I'm still a few steps away from configuration?02:40
ubotuwell, cedega is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega02:40
micahfbob2, agp doesn't have 4000mb/s bandwidth02:40
ThewarmachineThe following NEW packages will be installed:02:40
Thewarmachine  firefox gcc-4.0-base libcairo1 libpixman1 libstdc++602:40
bob2micahf: do you really think anything on your system can push out data at 4GB/s?02:40
poutineWhat if everyone here committed mass suicide? Should there be something in the topic warning us about that? an #ubuntu-suicide channel just because a what-if which will never happen?02:40
bob2even your memory bus is probably not that fast02:40
Thewarmachinepoutine shut the fuck up already02:41
micahfbob2, what is your point?02:41
nickrudpoutine, ?02:41
bob2Dobs: paste your "lspci" output to #flood02:41
cafuegopoutine: No, my querstion is why should some people be allowed to go on off-topic whilst others shouldn't. Do you suggest an arbitrary cut-off point when too much off-topic chat is going on? Do the ops start devoicing then? (Because they will ALL argue, as opposed to desist (like you))02:41
bob2micahf: that shared memory is crap and a way for manufacturers to save money02:41
bob2Thewarmachine: final warning02:41
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qt2anto9us, ah, figured it out, i had to run firefox with su so it would save the about:config permanently.02:41
[2] BoxingFiendevening02:41
Thewarmachinefinal warning what02:41
Thewarmachinei never got a first!02:41
micahfbob2, I don't understand what you have against system memory if the bandwidth is 4000mb/s02:41
DobsThanks bob2.  I'll look for # flood02:41
poutinecafuego: I'm merely answering the flood of remarks aimed towards me02:42
cafuegopoutine: The channel rules state be on topic. if you can or won you'll be removed. it's as simple as that.02:42
bob2Thewarmachine: er, you're obviously in the wrong, so just don't do it again02:42
poutineif you don't want me answering you02:42
bob2Dobs: the channel #flood02:42
Thewarmachinebob2: its cool man02:42
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poutinethe most logical solution would be to stop talking to me, wouldn't it?02:42
bob2micahf: because it's not really going to be 4GB/s, and it presumably consumes memory bandwidth your cpu could be using, and it probably ties up the cpu02:43
BurgundaviaThewarmachine, please remember the ubuntu code of conduct02:43
astronutroot@ubuntu:/home/ubuntu # cardctl status02:43
astronutSocket 0:02:43
astronut  3.3V CardBus card02:43
astronut  function 0: [ready] 02:43
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astronutbut no light on card02:43
astronutis there anyway to see more info about it?02:43
micahfdid you see the link bob2?02:43
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nickrudso, Thewarmachine you wanted to know a bit about gnome-moz-remote?02:43
bob2micahf: to ars?02:43
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Thewarmachineyes nickrud!02:44
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bob2micahf: all the pci-e cards I've heard of have the same memory range as AGP ones do02:45
nickrudThewarmachine, it's a generic interface to netscape/mozilla/firefox that allows a program to call up a web page02:45
Thewarmachinei got that when running grip02:46
Thewarmachinestrange, huh?02:46
Dobsbob2, I pasted that for you.02:46
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bojanglespoutine, i don't want you to think the people are discriminating or anything.....but you cannot make a dime because you were not rich to begin with....but whose fault is that.02:46
danielsmicahf: you cannot read 4GB/sec off any memory that exists today02:46
Thewarmachinenickrud whats a really fast cd ripper02:46
danielsmicahf: not normal system memory, not tricked-out DDR302:46
nickrudThewarmachine, not really, but I tend to use sensible-browser in anything that calls gnome-moz-remote02:47
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poutinebojangles: I have no problems making money, but I'm telling you, it wouldn't have been possible with the GPL02:47
poutineregardless of who co-signed a loan for me02:47
danielsmicahf: 4GB/sec is a theoretical limit of 'how much could you send if there were no constraints at all'02:47
poutineor how much that loan was02:47
bob2Dobs: so, it's not pci, unless it's not physically plugged in, or it's pysically broken02:47
micahfdaniels, I know, my point is just that the bus doesn't inhibit the card's access to the memory02:47
danielsmicahf: if you have to wait for a round-trip, or -- and this will happen -- endure latency for your request, you're not going to even get close02:47
jasoncohenBurgundavia, is the startup time on breezy better than hoary? i find that starting the hotplug system in hoary takes excessively long.02:47
nickrudThewarmachine, cdripping is pretty much taken care of in linux by cdparanoia, most apps use that app02:47
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DobsThanks.  That's good to know.  I think there's a problem with the laptop02:48
danielsmicahf: sure it does02:48
Thewarmachinenickrud, i get speeds of no greater than 2x02:48
danielsmicahf: you have to stall other ops on the bus while you tie it up for memory access02:48
bojanglesjasoncohen, that is being worked on at the hardware level...there are now some iRAM boards and some solid state hard drives with fiber optics coupling that will help the i/o latency stuff.02:48
bob2Thewarmachine: as nickrud and I have said, they all use cdparanoia, which is a good thing; it does a very very good job02:48
DobsI read somewhere on the net about Toshiba A60 -302 difficulties with pci.02:48
bob2Thewarmachine: it's probably just that your cd rive is crap (most are)02:48
danielsmicahf: not to mention that you're now going to have contention between your gpu and cpu for memory accesses, so suddenly render ops become bound to your cpu again.  ironically.02:48
Thewarmachinewhy do i get such sluggish speeds02:48
DobsAnyway, that's good. It saves me trying to configure what is not there.02:48
DobsThanks bob202:48
bob2Thewarmachine: you could try cdda2wav if you care more about speed than quality02:49
nickrudThewarmachine, maybe try sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/<cdrom> , I've heard that that can speed things up02:49
bojanglesjasoncohen, so you won't have to worry...just get or design the right hardware.02:49
Thewarmachineand i have a philips02:49
nickrudThewarmachine, that sets dma to on02:49
bob2unless it's a dvd-rom driveor from plextor, 2x is pretty good02:49
bob2I get 6x or so with my dvd drive, in paranoid mode02:50
Thewarmachineits a dvd902:50
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poutineDoes anyone else get annoyed by ubuntu's lies about how much is installed? why is the progress bar separate for "base system" and "remaining packages", are those remaining packages _NOT_ mandatory and part of the base system?02:50
bob2I really don't like your attitude02:51
Thewarmachinebob MUTE him02:51
bob2"base" is a well defined concept in ubuntu (and Debian)02:51
hybrid_gothpoutine: nope02:51
robotgeekpoutine: as long as it works, i don't care!02:51
nickrudI kinda like knowing what's what, and if I don't understand, look around02:51
robotgeekpoutine: and ubuntu works very very well!02:51
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nickrudeh, I bit again, didn't I02:52
poutinebob2: may I see the definition02:52
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poutineor a link to it02:52
Thewarmachinenickrud, that command you gave me doesnt work02:52
nickrudThewarmachine, sensible-browser?02:52
DobsGood night fine people!02:52
poutinerobotgeek: never said it didn't02:52
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bob2poutine: grep for packages in /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages which have Section: base02:52
bob2poutine: it's defined in Debian policy, www.debian.org/devel/02:53
nickrudThewarmachine, I just did it, and got firefox02:53
poutineis that a definition or an example?02:53
robotgeekpoutine: i know, but i was just speaking for myself!02:53
Thewarmachinethats not what I was talkin about02:53
bob2poutine: and seriously, try to phrase questions in a less annoying manner, especially when the problem is that you don't understand something02:53
Thewarmachinei meant the command for cd ripper02:53
nickrudThewarmachine, ah, I use grip as my ripper02:53
Thewarmachinesame here02:54
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Thewarmachineand the command for dma gives me nothing02:54
poutinebob2: English is not my native language, if I use words which do not fit, I apologize, but I'm short on synonyms02:54
DAC1138i want to make hdparm run at boot, where do i put that command?02:54
bob2poutine: "The base system is a minimum subset of the Debian GNU/Linux system that is installed before everything else on a new system. Thus, only very few packages are allowed to go into the base section to keep the required disk usage very small."02:54
DAC1138i would rather not create any files, just modify one already there like i could on slackware02:54
bojanglespoutine, you should have picked different parents when you were born...like Bill Gates did or Sam Walton....if you had picked Sam Walton as your father you could have $18billion dollars for nothing to open your own fab02:54
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bob2poutine: "lies" is a very loaded term02:55
poutinebob2: ok... but even by that, the "base system" includes those "remaining packages"02:55
tritiumDAC1138, there is an hdparm initscript in /etc/init.d.  Also of importance is the config file in /etc02:55
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nickrudThewarmachine, 'gives me nothing', explain please02:55
sky_monkey007what are you wanting hdparm to do on startup?02:55
bob2poutine: no...02:55
bob2poutine: they're distinct sets02:55
poutineis it not required disk usage?02:55
poutineor did they throw that in the definition just for fun?02:55
bob2poutine: please stop it02:55
bob2or you will be removed02:55
poutineplease stop what?02:55
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poutineI'm trying to understand02:55
bob2being so aggressive, it's highly unpleasant02:55
sproingieoh just remove the troll02:55
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hondjewhat did I do?02:55
Thewarmachinesudo hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom02:55
Thewarmachine setting using_dma to 1 (on)02:55
Thewarmachine HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted02:55
Thewarmachine using_dma    =  0 (off)02:55
DAC1138tritium, whoa, i just do "hdparm -c 1 -d 1 -k 1 /dev/hda" whats all that other junk do?02:55
sproingieit's always the same pattern.  the instant someone gets ops, he'll say "i'll be good" etc02:56
tritiumDAC1138, basically they're variables that you can set for all the possible switches for hdparm02:56
dobwanis scpm (system configuration profile manager - GPL Suse thing) going to be in the 10-05 release02:56
poutineAs I explained before, english is not my native language, I learned how to speak it from Rated R movies, I do not know the synonyms in your language to properly express my views and ideas on the subject matter, it's beyond my control02:56
bob2dobwan: no02:56
sproingieare you starting to notice the trolling yet?02:56
DAC1138tritium, so can i just throw my hdparm command in there?02:56
bob2poutine: and what is your native language?02:56
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tritiumDAC1138, near the very bottom of that file you can use your command line.02:57
bob2sproingie: I'm not dumb, I just try to give people the benefit of the doubt02:57
nickrudThewarmachine, since I don't know your drive, maybe it cannot handle dma. We're pushing the limits of my hardware knowledge here02:57
dobwanbob2, thanks02:57
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DAC1138tritium, alright. thanks a bunch02:57
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tritiumDAC1138, of course02:57
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poutinethey don't speak my dialect02:57
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Thewarmachinepoutine tu tienes una problema?02:57
sproingiei think it's kline time02:57
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bob2no ones going to kline someone for being slightly annoying02:58
hondjeThewarmachine: try using the /dev/hd? instead of /dev/cdrom...probably won't help, though02:58
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cafuegoThe Obsessive COmpulsive Discusser! I think someone had some projection issues and forgot their medication.02:58
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cafuegobob2: I would, if I were an oper. (On mondays anyway)02:58
fourstiguys my touchpad doesnt work in hoary new install, its a acer ferrari 400002:58
astronutfound my issue, it's detailed here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-39379.html02:58
robotgeekhello, what's happening?02:58
danielcjhi everybody... please, can anyone help me with latex on ubuntu? I'm having problems in configuring brazilian portugues in latex...02:59
DAC1138poutine is speechless now, lol02:59
sproingiemmm latex02:59
nickrudThewarmachine, then, it looks like dma is not an option on your cd drive ;(02:59
fourstianyone know how to get my touchpad working02:59
Thewarmachineawwww man02:59
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DAC1138foursti, are you using 2 devices?02:59
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hondjecafuego: nice03:00
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DAC1138foursti, i had to make my linux use 2 devices, since i use a usb mouse and a touchpad03:00
fourstiDAC1138, no i dont have any mice connected03:00
astronutthere a good wifi manager on the live cd?03:00
astronutto detect networks and such03:00
danielcjsproingie, know anything about configuring latex?03:00
sky_monkey007cdrom drives are only 20 bucks :)03:00
astronutlike kwifimanager, but gnome?03:00
DAC1138foursti, hmm. afaik, linux uses ps2 mouse "drivers" or whatever to apply to touchpads03:00
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nameless1Can someone tell me howto repartition and format a hdd thru ubuntu, is there some software i can install thru synap to do this?03:01
sproingiedanielcj: my knowledge of all things tex is like 15 years old03:01
Thewarmachinesky_monkey: wheres the fun there03:01
kjon!info libvorbis-dev03:01
ubotulibvorbis-dev: (The Vorbis General Audio Compression Codec (development files)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 446 kB, Installed size: 1996 kB03:01
chaps0063is there any way to get my window to flash in gaim when a new message arrived?03:01
DAC1138nameless1, qtparted03:01
nickrudnameless1, cfdisk, and it should already be in your install03:01
sky_monkey007astronut, I've used the gtkwifi applet for a nice long time.  It works great for gnome03:01
fourstiDAC1138, can u give me the right driver to use?03:01
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DAC1138nameless1, or just parted03:01
fourstiDAC1138, psaux?03:01
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sky_monkey007I'm not sure if it's in the livecd tho.03:01
astronutsky_monkey007, live cd :-)03:01
DAC1138foursti, no, im using a funky xserver, so mines different03:01
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kjonDoes anybody know where can I get libvorbis-dev?03:01
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DAC1138kjon, the sf.net project page03:01
sky_monkey007kjon, it's probably on the universe or multiverse repo's,03:02
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bob2jasoncohen: from ubuntu...03:02
cafuego!find libvorbis-dev03:02
TokenBadwell found out don't like Xandros03:02
ubotulibvorbis-dev: (The Vorbis General Audio Compression Codec (development files)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 446 kB, Installed size: 1996 kB03:03
fourstiDAC1138, well i did cat for psaux and input/mice03:03
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fourstiDAC1138, neither work03:03
shad0w1ehelp! how do I configure my ethernet adapter from the console?03:03
astronutshad0w1e, ifconfig03:03
kjoneps. sky_monkey007: You're wrong. That package *isn't* on the ubuntu repositories... I heard that I might get it from debian's, but I don't know if I should do that...03:03
sky_monkey007TokenBad, whats bad about Xandrox?03:03
shad0w1eastronut, , thank03:03
fourstiDAC1138, which other drivers are there03:03
TokenBadit keeps disconnecting my inet03:03
TokenBadfor no apparent reason03:03
DAC1138foursti, i dont know. is it a new laptop?03:03
kjon(I had to reinstall ubuntu... T-T no more debian repositories T-T)03:03
bob2kjon: libvorbis-dev - The Vorbis General Audio Compression Codec (development files)03:03
TokenBadwill be online for a good bit..then nothing03:03
bob2kjon: no, it's in ubuntu03:03
TokenBadall lights on modem and stuff are still on03:03
sky_monkey007kjon, sorry about that.  Just a guess.  I'd be very careful about dipping into Debian repos, unless you know much about apt-pinning.03:04
fourstiDAC1138, yes brand new03:04
TokenBadand everything but can't get on irc..can't load webpages..nothing03:04
fourstiDAC1138, acer ferrari 400003:04
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kjonsky_monkey007: buaaahhhhh T-T :'(...03:04
sproingieacer sells a desktop called a ferrari?03:04
tritiumchaps0063, not sure about flashing windows, but you may want to check out gaim-guifications03:04
bob2kjon: perhaps you have the network repositories disabled03:04
sproingiethat's like driving a Kia Lamborghini03:04
sky_monkey007TokenBad, that sucks bro!  How does Ubuntu work on with your box?03:04
bob2kjon: you'll need to fix that03:04
kjonsproingie: I got acer's ferrari (but the notebook version!)03:05
chaps0063tritium: is gnome 2.12 working with ubuntu03:05
TokenBadit works fine03:05
TokenBadnever had a problem with my inet out of it03:05
tritiumchaps0063, it will in breezy03:05
fourstikjon, ...im talking about the notebook versin03:05
chaps0063tritium: ok.03:05
fourstikjon, yea03:05
DAC1138foursti, i couldnt tell ya then03:05
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gentoothreefour does anyone know why for some reason when bootsplash is change from silent to verbose there is no splash image on the background? i have splashutils installed latest version and i am having problems making the spash image display when it is in verbose03:05
kjonfoursti: I guess I read "desktop"... sorry.03:05
fourstikjon, do u have ur touchpad working03:05
shad0w1eum how do I "save and exit" under vi?03:05
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nickrudshad0w1e, :wq03:05
fourstikjon, in ubuntu03:05
shad0w1enickrud, thanks03:06
kjonfoursti: On ubuntu, not fully. I have that damned erratic movement naggin' me...03:06
nickrudshad0w1e, you may have to hit excape first03:06
bob2gentoothreefour: er, you seem to be in the wrong channel03:06
shad0w1ethey should give a class on vi03:06
TokenBadI was going to install Xandros on my moms computer..but if it going to disconnect all the time03:06
DAC1138brb, gotta reboot in windows :(03:06
fourstikjon, mine doesnt even work can u tell me what driver ur using in xorg.conf03:06
TokenBadthen will not do it03:06
kjonbob2: About repositories... I added updates, patches and all that stuff from synaptics...03:06
kjonbob2: But I don't know any other...03:06
bob2kjon: well, libvorbis-dev is certainly in main03:07
TokenBadwhat really need to find is a linux that will let her run autocad03:07
kjonfoursti: hell... give me five minutes, I have a friend who might help you with that.03:07
fourstikjon, alright03:08
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sky_monkey007kjon, I was right.  It is in the Ubuntu repos :)03:08
shad0w1e...and how do I quit vi?03:08
sky_monkey007hit :q03:08
kjonsky_monkey007: Damned synaptics... I'm gonna wipe it out!!! T-T03:08
chaps0063tritium: apparently gaim's flashing windows will only work with gnome 2.1203:09
kjonthat's why I love the creepy bash...03:09
sky_monkey007I like Aptitude better than Synaptic03:09
shad0w1esky_monkey007, it aint working03:09
shad0w1eit says read-only03:09
shad0w1e! to overwrite03:09
nickrudshad0w1e, try running vimtutor from the command line, it will get you thru the basics03:09
ubotushad0w1e: Are you smoking crack?03:09
sky_monkey007hold the shift key and the semi colon, and then type q03:09
tritiumchaps0063, did you look into gaim-guifications?  it might have something that'll work for you/03:09
dobwancan I do a net install of UBUNTU(say it loud and proud) using only a boot floppy and wireless Orinoco card? (it's to a laptop with no cd)03:09
shad0w1esky_monkey007, not working!03:09
sky_monkey007you may have to hit the esc key first to get out of edit mode03:09
chaps0063tritium: i'm just going to wait for breezy.03:09
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sky_monkey007hit the escape key, and then :q03:09
shad0w1esky_monkey007, I'm already out of edit mode03:09
shad0w1eit keeps saying cannot write, ! to override03:09
nickrudshad0w1e, that probably means you tried editing a file you do not own03:09
chaps0063tritium: right now I'm using message notification and just inserting (*) into the title window when a new message has arrived.03:09
shad0w1eI'm gonna have to come in as su03:09
kjonDoes anybody tried the Gnomebaker 0.4?03:10
shad0w1enickrud, well yes03:10
shad0w1enow I just want to get out03:10
sky_monkey007shad0w1e, it works in my vi03:10
nickrudshad0w1e, :q!03:10
bob2dobwan: no03:10
shad0w1eim gonna try it again03:10
bob2dobwan: you could use pxeboot floppies, tho, if yo usetup a pxe/dhcp server03:10
sky_monkey007just hit ctrl-c if you can't figure it out03:10
kjondobwan: I wanna be like you when I grow older!!!03:10
bob2and find a pxeboot image that does wireless03:10
shad0w1eah the q! did it...03:11
nickrudsky_monkey007, evil ;)03:11
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nickrudah, thats good03:11
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fourstikjon u there03:11
cafuegosky_monkey007: Why don you order the VIM Coffee Mug?03:12
dobwanbob2, man I got 2 strikes and I don't even play ball (kjon, how did you know I was "older"?) lol03:12
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fourstiguys im getting: synaptics touchpad not detected (EE)03:12
sky_monkey007cafuego, I used to have that, actually :)03:12
fourstiany clue how to get the touchpad workin03:12
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nickrudhey rg58sma03:12
tritiumfoursti, do you actually have one?03:12
sky_monkey007rg58sma, what model of laptop03:13
fourstitritium, i have a touchpad, lol03:13
tritiumfoursti, but is it a synaptics one?03:13
shad0w1efinally, I got into GUI! the first thing I'm doing is installing nano!03:13
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cafuegosky_monkey007: http://www.lagmonster.org/docs/vi.html03:13
fourstitritium, how do i check03:13
shad0w1eas soon as I get my connection working...03:13
sky_monkey007more like...03:13
tritiumrg58sma, were you able to add your new user to the admin group?03:14
sky_monkey007shad0w1e, http://www.lagmonster.org/docs/vi.html03:14
shad0w1eok thanks a lot guys03:14
astronutnow... my mouse is a laptop touch pad.... the right side has ridges, it's software mapped to a scroll wheel....how do i set that up in linux?03:14
shad0w1elol. is vi really better than nano?03:14
shad0w1eshould I get hit for asking that question?03:14
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ColonelKernelnano rules the universe03:14
astronutshad0w1e, vi > all03:14
astronut!start an editor war03:14
ubotuastronut: Bugger all, i dunno03:14
astronutoops, that's #debian03:14
cafuegoshad0w1e: Yes, but it has a far steeper learning curve and is guaranteed to annoy you for the first few days.03:14
shad0w1eoh and another question03:14
astronutubotu is a bot right?03:15
ubotuastronut: Bugger all, i dunno03:15
fourstitritium, how do i check03:15
shad0w1edoes maddox really use vi for everything?03:15
nickrudnano will fix the universe, when everything else is broken03:15
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shad0w1eastronut, is vi better than kate?03:15
astronutshad0w1e, yes03:15
astronutvi > all03:15
shad0w1eyes but its no gui03:15
sky_monkey007vi is always > all03:15
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tritiumfoursti, foursti try mdetect03:15
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sky_monkey007gui = bloat03:15
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shad0w1eno gui = no cut copy paste03:16
astronutmy touchpad has a portion that is software mapped to a mouse wheel, how do i do this in linux? (windows laptop)03:16
nickrudshad0w1e, try gvim, it has a gui over vim03:16
astronutshad0w1e, gpm = copy/paste03:16
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fourstitritium, mdetect displays intellimouse..03:16
sky_monkey007= cli past03:16
shad0w1egood point03:16
astronutin vi, you can cut a line using dd, then p to past it03:16
sky_monkey007paste rather03:16
fourstitritium, theres no mouse connected03:16
cafuegoshad0w1e: a gui only makes an editor slower. ':14' is far quicker them moving your hand to the mouse, moving he mosue, moving your hand back.03:16
shad0w1eplus I think theres a way to get the mouse working in the console03:16
tritiumfoursti, it's your touchpad then03:16
astronutshad0w1e, gpm03:16
sky_monkey007if it's a console app, then ya03:16
shad0w1eone of these days i gotta learn vi03:16
sky_monkey007like Aptitude03:16
shad0w1euntil then its nano for me!03:17
fourstitritium, so what steps do i need to take03:17
cafuegoAlso see vim in screen, extra paste buffer.03:17
astronutmy touchpad has a portion that is software mapped to a mouse wheel, how do i do this in linux? (windows laptop)03:17
cheesycow5someone try typing: /server irc.flash.yahoo.com03:17
sky_monkey007just force yourself to use it for all of your non-critical text editing03:17
cheesycow5im testing something03:17
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shad0w1ek thanks guys I'm out03:17
bojanglespoutine, and also another niche market player is the E12K processor which tries to be useful in the scientific markets....so you have proof this is not fantasy land03:17
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tritiumfoursti, is your mouse working right now?03:17
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benplautwhat is LaTeX?03:17
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qt2are there any ubuntu bugs abiout random programs crashing to the desktop?03:17
sky_monkey007no offense, of course03:17
fourstitritium, touchpad? no its not, and i havnt tried an external mouse03:18
tritiumbenplaut, beautiful typesetting software :)03:18
cafuegobenplaut: DTP on the console.03:18
cheesycow5none taken :P03:18
nickrudbenplaut, it's an old page layout format03:18
cheesycow5how bout this03:18
tritiumfoursti, I'm not talking about an external mouse03:18
cheesycow5can someone test: /disco flashy lights03:18
fourstitritium, well the touchpad doesnt respond03:18
tritiumnickrud, it's still widely used, despite its age03:18
bob2latex isn't a page layout format03:20
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cafuegocheesycow5: bash: /disco: No such file or directory03:20
bob2it's a document format03:20
tiglionabbitsay, anyone here know a lot about LVM?03:20
bob2you just provide the text, marking up titles, index words, etc, and it lays it out for you03:20
nickrudtritium, I've used it once or twice, but since I don't write/publish technical stuff ....03:20
cheesycow5cafuego: hold on lemme try03:20
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tritiumnickrud, I use it all the time03:20
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sproingieis there a way to bind arbitrary keycode (not keysyms) with xmodmap?03:21
fourstitritium, ? any idea03:21
sproingiei have all these funky buttons on top of my keyboard, and they all give off keycodes03:21
davidany one know a thing or 2 about 3d acceloration03:21
Madpilotdavid: you trying to get your card working in Ubuntu?03:22
sproingieactually, oddly enough only some of them give off keycodes03:22
tritiumfoursti, try reconfiguring your xserver, and configure the mouse for your hardware.  "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"03:22
ubotuit has been said that ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto03:22
ubotuNo idea, astronut03:22
davidI have a ati mobility radeon 970003:22
Madpilotdavid: see the URL that ubotu just posted, probably...03:23
davidya ubuntu03:23
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davidI have done this 2 times and it dont work03:23
Madpilotjust changed ubotu's entry on itself...03:23
ubotuwell, ubotu is uh... Thaaat's me! I'm a bot. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu!03:23
danielcjbenplaut, LaTeX is a software which allows you to create professional documents... and you don't need to worry about  appearance... wanna know more?03:24
bojanglesubotu, what did you do get eggdrop out of synaptic03:24
ubotubojangles: I don't know03:24
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tritiumbenplaut, I use it daily.  If you have any questions, feel free to ask.03:24
cafuegobojangles: eggdrop is in universe or multiverse.03:24
bojanglesubotu, seems like every channel wants to play with their bots03:24
ubotuI haven't a clue, nickrud03:24
ubotubojangles: I don't know, could you explain it?03:24
davidI get an error saying only 2d acceloration is enabled03:25
bojanglesubotu, they have one in ##hurd also03:25
ubotuI haven't a clue, bojangles03:25
ubotuI guess synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto03:25
cafuegoYou can play with ubotu on #debian-bots03:25
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nickrudcafuego, is there an easy way to add an alias to an ubotu factoid?03:27
daviddo I need to use xfree86?03:27
ubotutiglionabbit: No idea03:27
cafuegonickrud: There's a way to do reference ones, I think. Let me check.03:27
rg58smasomeone wanna helpme with chown03:27
GhostFreemanCan anyone give me a hand with enabling 3D Rendering for a Voodoo 303:27
sproingiedavid: do you have the kernel module installed?03:27
davidwhitch one03:28
sproingiedavid: for ati03:28
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tritiumrg58sma, you were asking earlier about giving a new user sudo priveleges.  Did you end up adding that user to the admin group?03:28
davidoh the ati modual03:28
sproingielsmod | grep fgl03:28
davidmodprobe fgl?03:29
sproingieyou need that03:29
sproingiefglrx actually03:29
sproingieapt-get install linux-restricted-modules03:29
davidone sec03:30
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sproingieactually it looks like the version and name are in the module03:30
sproingiesearch for it with aptitude or synaptic and install the appropriate package for your kernel03:30
davidE: Couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules03:30
rg58smahave a litle problem with ln -sf03:30
nickrudcafuego, I need to log off, if you don't mind, I'll ask again later03:31
tritiumsudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r), sproingie03:31
cafuegonickrud: np03:31
robert_pectolsproingie:   I have the same issue with a Microsoft Elite Wireless keyboard and mouse... just use the setkeycodes command to assign them to unused/available slots...  won't give you any functionality but it'll keep the kernel from complaining and your /var/log/messages won't grow un-necessarily large with unrecognized keycodes messages...03:31
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sproingierobert_pectol: it logs them?  wowsers.03:31
davidsproingie: sympatic says it is installed03:31
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robert_pectolsproingie:   I just added them to the /etc/keymap.sh script so that they get assigned automatically...03:32
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tritiumdavid, good.  It should have been03:32
sproingierobert_pectol: i have no such script in /etc actually03:32
tritiumrg58sma, you never answered me...03:32
davidsproingie: what now03:32
apollo2011I am trying to add my Palm Tungsten T to the PalmOS devices list and I am not sure what port it is.  I looked in the messages log and it is apparently on USB1 but I don't know the location of that in /dev.  I cant find any usb devices in the /dev folder03:33
cafuegostupid bot03:33
sproingiedavid: what kernel version are you using?03:33
robert_pectolsproingie:   not using ubuntu?  Either way, you can put them in any of the init scripts...03:33
sproingierobert_pectol: i am, but don't have such a script03:33
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robert_pectolsproingie:   I see...03:33
snackalotdose anyone know of a program for tuning your guitar03:33
sproingiedavid: ok, did you just install the package?  try insmod fglrx03:34
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robotgeekcafuego: don't insult my brethren!03:34
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davidsproingie: it has bean installed 4 a while and the out put of insmod fglrx is  can't read 'fglrx': No such file or directory03:35
konkiis the X.org an OS like Ubuntu with a windows like environment... can it run microsoft programs?03:35
cafuegokonki: no.03:35
benplautrobotgeek:   :)03:35
apollo2011someone plz help me03:35
tritiumdavid, what are you trying to do?03:35
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cafuegokonki: X.org is a GUI display system for Linux (and BSD and UNIX)03:35
davidget 3d acceleration working03:35
cafuegokonki: it has nothing to do with MS Windows.03:35
benplautapollo2011: try asking at www.ubuntuforums.com03:35
bojangleskonki, no...basically X is a server that supports some graphics drawing routines....along with one or several X client to access it03:35
tritiumdavid, and you followed this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ?03:36
davidyes but didnt work03:36
apollo2011benplaut: I could...i've gone on there before03:36
rg58smai wanna make permition to fat32 unit03:36
konkiis it worth upgrading or setting up X??03:36
konkion my PC03:36
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sproingiels /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko03:36
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sproingiedavid: ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko03:36
sproingiedavid: that show anything?03:36
benplautapollo2011: go ahead and ask there... alot more people will see your question ;)03:36
tritiumdavid, which part failed?03:36
bojangleskonki, there is nothing really unique about it.....and there is a y-server to compete with it....but most apps have been ported to X which makes it popular03:37
tha_gamemasterhas anyone installed transcode from the tree without errors? i'm still using warty.03:37
davidNo such file or directory03:37
tritiumdavid, modinfo fglrx fails?03:37
davidDRI initialization failed03:37
sproingiedavid: you don't actually have the module.  sure you have the restricted-modules package for your kernel?03:37
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davidI will check again03:38
sproingiedavid: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)03:38
teferitritium: insert nag about testing evo-mail-notify to see if it works03:38
teferitritium: also, pull the new version, same url03:38
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tritiumteferi, can you please provide the URL to me again?  :)03:39
davidI am using sympatic03:39
tritiumdavid, what does "uname -r" tell you?03:39
teferinow supports newer versions of dbus than even breezy has03:39
bojangleskonki, now MS plays a different game....they put the graphics devices in the kernel instead of having it as an external server add-on to the kernel03:40
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teferibojangles: it's been that way since NT4...03:40
tritiumdavid, "sudo apt-get install linux-386" then, to pull in the restricted modules package03:40
teferiit's not really "different" anymore03:40
bojangleskonki, but either way you have some graphics drawing primitives at your disposal.03:40
tritiumdavid, you might also want to try linux-686 if you have a newer processor03:40
tritiumthanks, teferi03:41
teferino problem03:41
davidlinux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 is already the newest version03:41
teferiyou need python-gnome2, python-gnome2-dev, python-gnome2-extras, python-gnome2-extras-dev, python2.4-dbus03:41
tritiumdavidf, good03:41
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rg58smawhat is this script???03:41
tritiumteferi, it would be nice if it didn't depend on -dev packages03:41
teferirg58sma: my thing?03:41
davidok so I am getting to kernel now03:41
teferitritium: the not -dev packages don't actually have anything in them03:41
tefericheck dpkg -L03:41
teferijust the /usr/share/doc entries03:42
Marble2is there a good video editor out there I can use? I want to cut part out of the middle of a video clip03:42
teferirg58sma: it's a script that sticks an indicator in your system tray when evolution says it has new mail03:42
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teferitritium: this is probably a bug03:42
snackalotcan anyone tell me wich lib i need rof mp3 on music player03:42
rg58smaok works with yahoo??''03:42
teferirg58sma: no, it works with evolution03:43
teferiimap, pop3, whatever else it does03:43
rg58smai have yahoo03:43
konkiok thanks bojangles...03:43
tritiumsnackalot, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats03:43
davidafter apt-get install linux-386 I do a apt-get dist-upgrade right?03:44
teferitritium: i dare say that that link needs to be more prominently placed03:44
teferii think it's the most frequently asked FAQ03:44
snackalotthanks A03:44
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rg58smahow to install it??03:44
tritiumteferi, yeah, so does the RootSudo one03:45
teferirg58sma: install the packages i mentioned a few lines back and then make it executable and run it03:45
tritiumand the BinaryFormats one03:45
tritiumI mean BinaryDriverHowto03:45
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rg58smawhat packages03:46
davidafter "apt-get install linux-386" do I just restart03:47
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rg58smapython-gnome2, python-gnome2-dev, python-gnome2-extras, python-gnome2-extras-dev, python2.4-dbus03:47
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tritiumdavid, again, you may wish to try linux-686.  Also, what part fails when you follow the BinaryDriverHowto?03:48
teferirg58sma: aye03:49
davidit all works it just has no effect..... in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log it says DRI initialization failed03:49
davidI am now trying 68603:49
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tritiumdavid, can you paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log on pastebin?03:50
rg58smash evo.......03:50
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teferipython evo...03:50
teferiit's python03:50
uboturumour has it, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood03:51
rg58smathat its all??03:51
davidshould I send it 2 you03:51
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tritiumdavid, no, please see the above URL for pastebin03:52
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davidok it is done03:54
nameless1can someone tell me how to get my kernel version thru the console ?03:54
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tritiumnameless1, uname -r03:54
bimberiteferi: I've installed the script (and the packages) and have it running, sent myself an email.  Nothing appears in the Notification Area of the gnome panel03:55
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teferibimberi: Wait until evolution acknowledges that you have new mail03:55
teferiAlso, you need evolution-plugins installed...03:55
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mindamphow do i add something to startup?03:55
bimberiteferi: k03:55
mindamplike mount -t smbfs  yada yada yada03:55
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teferibimberi: sorry, i should have mentioned that03:56
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davidsorry made misstack did it again03:57
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koklis anybody here?03:57
michaelnDoes anyone know if the netgear wg121 usb wireless adapter is supported?03:57
kokldo u guys support suse 9.3?03:57
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mindampgo away03:57
tritiummindamp, be nice03:57
kokli thought its all alike03:57
mindampcould someone help me with startup scripts?03:57
tritiumkokl, it's rather different.  Sorry...03:58
koklthansk anyway03:58
mindamptry #suse03:58
kokli did03:58
mindampstartup scripts...03:58
koklno response03:58
bimberiteferi: np whatsoever - can't find an package called "evolution-plugins" though03:58
mindampwhats your problem03:58
teferibimberi: moment03:58
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kokldo u know wat is compile?03:59
teferibimberi: if you go to edit->plugins in evo, what do you see?03:59
teferiif it's not under edit, it may be somewhere else; this is breezy evo03:59
syndany reason that irssi and xterm not work well?03:59
syndie. the alt+num doesnt work03:59
tritiummindamp, to add a startup script, you should use update-rc.d03:59
mindampyes i know what compile is03:59
koklis that a command?03:59
koklor a program?03:59
mindampits a word04:00
kokla word that is a command?04:00
mindamptritium.. so if i wanted to add "bashscript" to startup...04:00
mindampwhat would be the structure...04:00
benplautcompiling is taking a lump of code and re-organizing it into a program04:00
benplautcan anyone explain better?04:00
tritiumkokl, check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiler04:01
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bimberiteferi: Tools -> Manage Plugins (Evo - I'm using hoary).  Lots of things - all enabled04:01
tritiummindamp, check the manpage for update-rc.d04:01
davidwell.. it is to translate code from human readable to computer readable04:01
benplauthomer2, i beleive that was actually 0:4:4   ;)04:01
teferibimberi: Is the "NEw Mail Notification" thing among them?04:01
teferiThat's the thing that puts messages on D-Bus04:02
teferitritium: incidentially, did it work for you?04:02
bimberiteferi: Yes - I can see "New Mail Notification" which is enabled04:02
Madpilotanyone know how to get Adobe Postscript fonts (.pfm format) to be selectable in OpenOffice? the OOo IRC is dead, dead, dead...04:02
teferibimberi: hm...it should be working, then...04:02
teferibimberi: run 'dbus-monitor' from another terminal and send yourself another mail04:03
teferiwait for it to show up in evo04:03
tritiumteferi, sorry, haven't tried yet04:03
teferiyou should see a 'Newmail' signal in dbus-monitor, and the indicator should show up in your tray04:03
bimberiteferi: k04:03
fourstiwhen is breezy going to go into software freeze04:04
teferiwhen it's ready.04:04
fourstitheres a date i believe04:04
fourstiits not random04:04
ColonelKernellol I posted a fix to fedora's weak ass kernel handling, I stopped using the distro a couple of weeks ago and I just got an email they fixed the documentation...04:04
teferidates have been known to be flexible04:04
ColonelKernelyou have to go through a BUNCH of nonsense to get yourself a decent kernel out of their kernel.src.rp,s04:05
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bimberiteferi: hm - nothing seen in the dbus monitor - however I'm manually getting mail by clicking "Send/Receive".04:05
bimberiteferi: I'll try shortening the "check for email" interval and leave it alone04:06
teferibimberi: has the mail shown up in your inbox?04:06
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teferiif it shows up in your inbox, it should emit the signal04:06
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teferiif that isn't happening, something beyond my control is going on04:06
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bimberiteferi: it did - after I clicked "Send / Receive"04:07
teferii wonder if that's a bug in hoary's evolution04:07
tritiumfoursti, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar04:07
bimberiteferi: I'm not running the script as root04:08
robotgeek benplaut , why go thru all that?04:08
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Madpilotas anyone installed OpenOffice 2 in Hoary? How beta-ish is that beta?04:08
teferibimberi: i hope you're not!04:08
teferiyou don't need to04:08
teferiit listens on the session bus, not the system bus04:08
benplautrobotgeek: i'm bored :)04:08
teferier...you are running a session bus, right?04:08
bimberiteferi: lol - k04:08
teferibimberi: look in ps aux for a dbus-daemon or dbus-1-daemon running under your username04:08
IcemanV9is it possible to modify the kernel to weed out all useless modules? it would help a lot with memory, resources, etc, right?04:09
teferiif not, that's likely the problem right there...04:09
IcemanV9any wiki page on it?04:09
teferiIcemanV9: it only loads drivers for hardware you have04:09
teferiso don't worry04:09
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bimberiteferi: k04:09
robotgeeklucky me, robots don't get bored!04:09
IcemanV9is that right? interesting04:09
teferiIcemanV9: it's the magic of discover and hotplug04:09
teferishare and enjoy.04:09
IcemanV9ha. ok. teferi04:09
tritiumIcemanV9, lsmod to see the modules that you have loaded.  It's a subset of all that are available to you.04:10
bimberiteferi: yes - a "dbus-daemon-1 --fork --print-pid 8 --print-address 6 --session" process is running04:10
teferilet me grab a hoary livecd and test this on my other box04:11
tritiumteferi, I'll test your software on Friday afternoon04:11
teferitritium: no rush04:11
teferii just want to find out why this isn't working for either of the hoary users i asked to test it04:11
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robotgeekif would start a vi vs emacs troll, but the ops will kick me out :)04:13
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dannyhello I need help installing real player on my ubuntu but it wont work04:13
robotgeekMadpilot: yup...u mean openoffice beta?04:13
bimberiteferi: FYI it ran happily without python-gnome2-dev, python-gnome2-extras and python-gnome2-extras-dev.  I've since installed them just in case that was the issue.04:13
dannyi tried a lot but doesnt work04:13
dannyplz help04:14
bimberi... with the lack of notification04:14
dannyi tried the bin file04:14
robotgeekdanny: what seems to be the problem?04:14
tritiumMadpilot, I had installed it at one point, but rarely use such software04:14
dannywon't work04:14
teferibimberi: huh, that shouldn't happen :P04:14
dannyI can't get real player 10 at work04:14
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IcemanV9Madpilot: i used openoffice.org2 since i installed Ubuntu; it worked just great so far. i have used it a lot for cover letter, resume, complaints, suggestion, tech document and whatsnot.04:14
robotgeekdanny: what machine are using, intel/mac?04:15
dannypentium 404:15
hybrid_gothdanny: tried helix?04:15
robotgeekIcemanV9: i've typed half of my thesis in oo204:15
robotgeekdanny: what do u mean doesn't work?04:15
dannyyeah but i am a real newbie so i tried to install it but didnt seemed to work :S04:15
IcemanV9robotgeek: that's great.04:15
tritiumrobotgeek, your university doesn't use LaTeX for theses?04:16
hybrid_gothdanny: whats the real package name04:16
dannyhe only installs in my hopme folder04:16
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robotgeektritium: latex is for typsetting. that's the final stage. and yes, we do use latex04:16
illogic-alhey, any gmaers here?04:16
MadpilotOOo2 is in ubuntu's repos; I'm thinking of installing it in the hopes of fixing some of the irritations in OOo1...04:16
hybrid_gothdanny: ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin04:16
dannyI tried04:16
hybrid_gothwhat happened04:17
IcemanV9only thing i don't like about oo2 is the splash screen. i want the new one.04:17
tritiumrobotgeek, yeah, I'm aware of what it's for.  I use it daily ;)04:17
benplautillogic-al: in the linux world? unlikely...04:17
robotgeekIcemanV9: i personally hate all kinds of splash screens :)04:17
dannyhe says that he has ownership errors and then it installs04:17
hybrid_gothdanny: i suggest helixcommunity.org04:17
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dannyis it ready it still doesnt work i don't get the wizard04:17
illogic-alwell i meant here in this channel. i been using a long time and I'm a gamer04:17
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robotgeektritium: that's just my official policy! my professor is really uncomfortable with latex and all. he still doesn't know i am using oo2 for all my work!04:17
hybrid_gothdanny: helix is in synaptic i thinl04:18
inc595anyone know how to get a joystick to work?04:18
hybrid_gothdanny: apt-get install helix-player04:18
Madpilotrobotgeek: got to keep the profs happy, right? :)04:18
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FlyingSquirrel32okay folks, I've got a fun question. I'm trying to set up nfs server and client. when I run mount, client says "mount: RPC: Program not registered" an ideas?04:19
robotgeekMadpilot: yeah. and all the screwups with the formatting (after conversion to .doc) gets blamed on word!04:19
dannyI am no root04:19
hybrid_gothdanny: type your pass04:19
ubotuhmm... sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo04:19
Madpilotrobotgeek: you can blame a lot on Word... I'm just running into conversion troubles the other way, myself. old Word97 --> OOo...04:20
tritiumrobotgeek, sounds like a pita, especially if you include figures/plots.04:20
colmoreI'm having a strange problem with my wireless (built in, toshiba laptop) it works, but it "configuring network devices" takes FOREVER on startup, and likewise the network utility is very slow to "activate" eth0, and sometimes I have to reboot in order to pick up a new wireless network.  Help please! Thanks.04:20
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hybrid_gothdanny: type sudo apt-get install helix-player then it says password: type your password there04:20
IcemanV9convert it to pdf instead of doc; doc always mess things up.04:20
hybrid_gothIcemanV9: i agree doc sux04:21
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colmoreit's an internal format and should only be used as such04:21
dannyok now he is doing something :)04:21
Madpilot"convert to PDF" has to be the best small feature of OOo...04:21
dannyhe is downloading :04:21
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FlyingSquirrel32No takers on an "easy" NFS question?04:21
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IcemanV9especially when you try to print doc to the printer; it almost comes out little funny04:21
robotgeektritium: the process is significanty less painful if you keep all your fonts consistent04:21
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IcemanV9because every printer is set differently than your own.04:22
tritiumrobotgeek, I'm talking about openoffice(or word) -> LaTeX.  That sounds like a PITA.04:22
robotgeekIcemanV9: pdf's can't be edited :(04:22
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robotgeektritium: are u talking about the writertolatex plugin?04:22
teferiMmm. LaTeX.04:23
teferiSo much easier to just write the document in LaTeX from the start04:23
tritiumnever used it, robotgeek.  I just edit my .tex files in a text editor.04:23
robotgeektritium: sure it doesn't convert the figures, but i figure all i need is to write myself a script!04:23
robotgeektritium: it works, even converts equations!04:23
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IcemanV9robotgeek: agreed. that's too bad. i want it to be editable. especially for the contract, so people can fill out the blank.04:23
teferiLaTeX is dreamy04:24
teferiI could never go back to Word now04:24
robotgeekIcemanV9: though u can do that with latex :)04:24
IcemanV9never use LaTeX; even though i heard about it for a long time04:24
robotgeekLateX is teh awesome :)04:25
teferiIcemanV9: i highly recommend doing so. it's not at all hard to pick up04:25
teferithe important thing is to stop worrying about formatting your document. LaTeX is better at formatting than you are04:25
teferiinstead, just tell it the semantic structure of your document and it'll make it pretty for you04:25
robotgeekfirst rule of latex: latex is always right04:25
teferiexcept when it's wrong. but that's pretty rare04:25
teferiand even when it happens, it's usually correctable by using the right package04:26
IcemanV9cool. :)04:26
teferiIcemanV9: want me to shoot you an example simple document?04:26
IcemanV9teferi: sure. pls do.04:26
teferiIcemanV9: hang on, let me find one without a jillion pieces of math in it04:26
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tritiumteferi, but that's the best feature04:28
teferitritium: yeah, but it's imposing to look at04:28
teferifine, i'll give him my term paper on automorphism groups :P04:28
robotgeektritium,teferi : used lyx? and can it import latex style sheets?04:28
teferirobotgeek: no, i write it by hand04:28
teferiin emacs04:28
IcemanV9apt-get install lyx?04:28
teferiusing AucTeX04:28
tritiumrobotgeek, I tried it and hated it.  I just use a text editor.04:29
teferiemacs+auctex is joy04:29
teferiabsolute joy04:29
robotgeekteferi: vi forever!04:29
teferiif you're composing TeX in anything else, you're missing out04:29
robotgeekteferi: vim-latex package04:29
IcemanV9so many entries for apt-cache search latex04:29
tritiumrobotgeek, you can try kile, if you don't kdelibs on your system04:29
Madpilotis Ghostscript included somewhere in Ubuntu repos? Can't find it, and it has a util that'll convert my pfm fonts into linux-readable formats...04:29
teferiIcemanV9: apt-get install tetex-base04:29
tritiumMadpilot, yes04:29
teferiand tetex-bin04:29
teferiand tetex-extra04:29
teferithat's all you really need04:29
robotgeektritium: i tried it, din't like. vim fanatic04:29
Madpilottritium: what's it called? search in Syn w/ "ghostscript" got no results.04:30
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Madpilottritium: likewise "pf2afm" - no hits04:30
hybrid_gothdoes mplayer from synaptic play .rm movies04:30
tritiumMaddy, are you serious?  apt-cache search ghostscript returns a long list for me04:30
teferihttp://wmute.net/~teferi/term-paper.tex <-- my term paper for sci-fi lit about quantum teleportation04:30
colmoreso anyone have any idea why a wireless card would be functioning very slowly?04:30
teferisome of the markup isn't as neat as it should be, but it's certainly structured semantically04:31
robotgeekcolmore: too far away from the router, like i am?04:31
hybrid_gothis .rm movies a "restricted Format"04:31
colmoreno, it's not the connection speed04:31
teferihybrid_goth: yes04:31
robotgeekcolmore: then?04:31
colmoreit takes forever for "configuring network devices" to happen and the network utility is also super slow04:31
hybrid_gothteferi: it is restricted04:31
colmoreand sometimes i have to reboot to find a new network04:31
Madpilottritium: I thought I had all repos enabled. which repos are you using?04:31
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teferihybrid_goth: yes, it is; it's realmedia04:32
tritiumMadpilot, main,restricted,universe, and multiverse04:32
robotgeekcolmore: same here, except the reboot part.04:32
colmorebut once i connect, the speed is fine, unless it drops the signal, then it can't find it again without a reboot04:32
hybrid_gothis there a plugin for embedded .rm movies04:32
colmorehmmmm, there's got to be a solution04:32
robotgeekcolmore: you might just be fine with a sudo dhclient ath0/wireless card04:32
colmorewhat does dhclient do? i've been feeling my way around the command line utilities, but i haven't figured that one out yet04:33
Madpilottritium: got all those. what's the core package name?04:33
bojanglesMadpilot, i did not like OpenOffice 2 on breezy....it has Sun's logo all over it.04:33
bob2colmore: request a dhcp lease04:33
bob2colmore: and configure interfaces and the routing table approriately04:33
IcemanV9colmore: that IS windows mentality; get rid of that :) you only need dhclient like robotgeek said04:33
colmoredidn't know about that command04:34
bojanglesMadpilot, now..uh OpenOffice 1 on debian has the debian logo all over it...it is much better and stands for debian freedom04:34
robotgeekbojangles: there's a way to disable the logo04:34
colmoretried bringing the network up and down under the gui utility, and that didn't work04:34
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teferipardon me, i get these uncontrollable twitches when people start talking about logos and freedom...04:34
colmorebut still, any way to get "configuring network devices" to not take so darn long on startup04:34
Madpilottritium: nevermind. just tried "man pf2afm" and it must exist, there's a man page for it... not showing in Syn, tho...04:34
colmorecould i at least manually run the command, or have it automatically go in the background once i've booted, rather than waiting for it to finish?04:35
bob2Madpilot: if you have the manpage, you have the binary04:35
bojanglesrobotgeek, well anyway who needs it....kile works great.04:35
tritiumMadpilot, sorry, I'm multitasking here04:35
bojanglesrobotgeek, and so does gnumeric04:35
Madpilotbojangles: I can live with Sun's logo for an improved word processor...04:35
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robotgeekcolmore: i just end up control c it04:35
FlyingSquirrel32anyone know nfs?04:35
Madpilotbob2: yeah, figured that! :)04:35
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colmoreand you can still get online, robotgeek?04:36
bojanglesMadpilot, well you do what you want...and let everybody else do what they want.04:36
teferiugh, nfs04:36
Madpilottritium: np, I think I'm sorted04:36
bob2Madpilot: you can use "dpkg -S" to find out which package it came from04:36
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bob2(not that I was following properly)04:36
naliothcolmore: agreed, they need to background the process04:36
robotgeekcolmore: i just let it book, and run a script to bring it up.04:36
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tritiumMadpilot, okay, great.  Thanks.04:36
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ridejibwhat's up my brethren's?04:36
Madpilotbob2: dpkg -S pf2afm04:36
ridejibhas anyone else here used Skype before?04:37
colmore"let it book?"04:37
bob2ridejib: if you have a question about it, best to just ask it04:37
colmoreis there some way I can background that process?04:37
bob2NM looks cool, but flakey04:37
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robotgeekcolmore: boot, /action sorry04:37
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colmoreno worries04:37
ridejibbob2: not really a specific question, just curiosity as to how well it works04:37
teferiNM would be lovely...04:37
colmoreanyway, is there some way i can tell that process to run in the background?04:37
colmorekeep it down, teferi04:38
teferisorry, it's just rather vexing04:38
robotgeekteferi: lol. i am gonna wait till it becomes stable :)04:38
Madpilotbob2: pf2afm is in both gs-esp & gs-gpl, it seems. it would be nice if the description in the repos included mention of that util...04:38
robotgeekcolmore: moment, looking at the init script04:39
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bob2Madpilot: the descriptions can't mention every little utility in the package...packages.ubuntu.com lets you find files in packages, tho04:39
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FlyingSquirrel32how can I tell if portmapper is running?04:39
Madpilotbob2: true, and thnx. I keep forgetting about packages.ubuntu.com04:40
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bob2FlyingSquirrel32: sudo netstat -plunt | grep portm04:40
FlyingSquirrel32bob2: would bind be the same?04:41
robotgeekcolmore: sorry, not what i though. it isn't there04:41
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bob2FlyingSquirrel32: yes, except the binary might be called named, not bind04:41
bob2I forget04:41
bimberiteferi: I've pasted the (probably very boring) output from dbus-monitor to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/669 just in case it's of use.04:41
FlyingSquirrel32bob2: I'm getting RPC: Program not registered from my nfs client.04:41
bob2FlyingSquirrel32: sounds like you don't have it installed, or you have a broken firewall somewhere04:41
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FlyingSquirrel32bob2: named should show up in "netstat -plunt | grep named", right?04:42
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bob2FlyingSquirrel32: if it's called named, yes04:43
bob2and if it's running04:43
FlyingSquirrel32bob2: what pakages should I install on my client?04:43
colmoreso where do you think that command is located, robotgeek?04:43
FlyingSquirrel32bob2: yeah, pretty sure you right about the name named.04:44
colmoreI mean, there's gotta be a way to change it, but I don't know anything about the ubuntu boot process.04:44
bob2FlyingSquirrel32: don't think you need anything on the client04:44
bob2FlyingSquirrel32: do either of the machines, or the network between them, have any firewall rules at all?04:44
FlyingSquirrel32bob2, well, have to have nfscommon, no?04:44
bob2isn't it part of the ubuntu base system?04:45
FlyingSquirrel32bob2: only if ubuntu has one.04:45
bob2oh, no, my mistake04:45
robotgeekcolmore: i think i read something on ubuntuforums a long time ago04:45
CVirusa good system it is ?04:45
arucolmore: mine does the same thing on my laptop, what do you have for a nic?04:46
FlyingSquirrel32bob2: pretty sure I had to install it on the server. the client already had both client and server installed.04:46
CVirusI love Gnome04:46
bojanglesMadpilot, we can do everything we want to do with lyx or kile or gpaint or gimp or glom or dia or planner.....so we don't need openoffice at all.....but you use it if you want to.04:46
colmoreis there a way to just search for the string "configuring network interfaces?"04:46
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bob2FlyingSquirrel32: ah04:46
colmoreit's a built in card on a new toshiba04:46
colmorei could look up the make if you think it makes a difference04:46
giantCVirus, Your in the chat room.. I would think you would kinda likeit04:46
Madpilotbojangles: um, good. I'm glad I have your permission...04:46
bob2FlyingSquirrel32: nfs-kernel-server and nfs-user-server both Depend on it, anyway04:46
robotgeekcolmore: okay all your network interfaces are in /etc/network/interfaces04:46
bojanglesMadpilot, and plus we can even animate stuff with latex04:46
FlyingSquirrel32bob2: ubuntu has no firewall?04:47
arucolmore: probably not, I just assumed it had something to do with my pcmcia nic on the laptop, it could do the same on my desktop but I haven't rebooted in a few weeks so I don't remember04:47
tritiumbojangles, it would be nice if editing pdf images (such as in scribus) was easier, and produced better results04:47
colmoreok, i'm looking at the interfaces file04:47
bob2FlyingSquirrel32: it does, but by default it does nothing04:47
bojanglestritium, well i don't use scribus or pdf because i am not sure of their legalities.....someone said they are proprietary and with patents.04:47
robotgeekcolmore: just comment out that ones you don't want to bring up.04:48
colmoreand i can still bring them up manually after boot?04:48
tritiumbojangles, okay, same for postscript images, though04:48
bob2FlyingSquirrel32: where what?  firewalling is a kernel function, you can use "sudo iptables -L -v -n" to see the current (filter) rules.04:48
robotgeekcolmore: well, with a couple of hacks...i paste my little script for my wireless04:48
teferihow cute, the UPS the router is on fails at  random now...04:49
robotgeekcolmore: well, with a couple of hacks...i can paste my little script for my wireless04:49
colmoresounds good04:49
bojanglestritium, no problem with the old postscript ...its patents have long since expired....only the enhanced encapsulated postscript is still a problem04:49
FlyingSquirrel32bob2: oh, that's right.04:49
teferibimberi: that's frustrating and not my fault. i'm working on debugging it04:49
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tritiumbojangles, my concern is the difficulty in editing/modifying postscript images04:50
bojanglestritium, and we make sure not to use ghostscript-ESP....we use the old gnu version04:50
bimberiteferi: k - good luck - happy to help out if required :)04:50
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tritiumbojangles, I see.04:50
jasmuzhey guys04:51
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jasmuzanyone running splashy at boot?04:51
seth_kjasmuz, I am04:52
jasmuzseth_k:  im running into trouble just setting it up...the first thing it says is that i passed an incorrect video mode, and after says to check the config files04:53
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Madpilotdamn... how do I over-ride that "Cannot open [foo] " dialog? I *know* the file is OK, but Ubuntu isn't convinced...04:54
seth_kjasmuz, you ran an apt-get install and got it from the splashy repos?04:55
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jasmuzseth_k: nein, downloaded it off the Debian repos04:56
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knowledge_is there a command to find out what kernel I'm using?04:57
tritiumknowledge_, uname -r04:57
knowledge_I wanna make sure the patch worked04:57
knowledge_tritium, Thank you kindly04:57
tritiumuname -a for more info04:57
ruddi have a problem, i just installed ubuntu, and i can't sudo su, or sudo anything for that matter04:57
knowledge_so if there's no -alps at the end...it didn't work?04:57
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tritiumknowledge_, what is "-alps"?04:58
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knowledge_the patch04:58
nomasteryodarudd, you try sudo -s04:58
nomasteryodarudd, and you use your password04:58
tritiumknowledge_, did you use make-kpkg and append a version name like that to it?04:58
seth_kjasmuz, i'd try adding "deb http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main" to your sources.list and using that copy04:58
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jasmuzseth_k: thanks04:59
ruddnomasteryoda, thank you04:59
knowledge_http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27851.html <--I just copied and pasted...04:59
knowledge_I have NO clue as to what those commands do04:59
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bojanglestritium, well i can see where that might be a valid concern especially with those nice encapsulated images.05:00
tritiumknowledge_, after you built your new kernel, did you reboot and select that kernel to boot into?05:00
tritiumbojangles, yeah05:00
knowledge_ohhhhhhh.....that might make sense05:00
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bojanglestritium, that print real fast05:00
knowledge_I thought it would default to it05:00
seth_kknowledge_, the good news is this works by default on breezy ;) my alps pad works great05:00
bojanglestritium, but we don't edit anything but the free formats.05:00
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tritiumbojangles, oh, okay05:00
knowledge_mine does too, however I can't use tpconfig05:00
robotgeekseth_k: that is good news, my friend will be happy to hear that05:01
tefericrud, this isn't getting debugged tonight05:02
teferitoo damn late05:02
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vladuz976does anybody know how to view .chm files05:02
nightswimor something like that05:02
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vladuz976how do you search with apt05:03
tritiumvladuz976, apt-cache search <searchterm>05:03
robotgeekapt-cache search blah05:04
aruvladuz976: System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager05:04
aruclick the search button and type in what you want05:04
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jmspeexHow come is current (5.04) version of firefox only 1.0.2? Any way to upgrade?05:06
tritiumjmspeex, it actually does contain the security fixes from 1.0.4 backported into it05:06
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cafuegojmspeex: it's 1.0.2 with 1.0.4 patches. 1.0.5 apparently has bugs and 1.0.6 is due out soon.05:07
Sponge_How do I display my kernel version?05:07
cafuegoSponge_: uname -a05:07
tritiumuname -r05:07
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robotgeekwell, it's boring in here05:11
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robotgeekbrowsing thru lynx is actually fun :)05:11
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teferiuntil it gets old05:11
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jmspeextritium, cafuego thanks. The only annoyance now is the fact that I can't access firefox extensions.05:12
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robotgeekgood ubotu!05:13
bimberijmspeex: that fix should work for extensions too05:13
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jmspeexubotu: Tried it, but it didn't work. Somehow, setting my user agent to IE6 *did* work.05:14
ubotujmspeex: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about05:14
elinice... i was just about to ask about firefox05:14
eliubotu to the rescue05:14
ubotuBugger all, i dunno, eli05:14
robotgeekjmspeex: ubotu is a real bot, unlike me :)05:14
Madpilotso, robotgeek is not actually a robot geek...05:15
robotgeekMadpilot: well, i am a fake bot.05:15
robotgeekMadpilot: this was an automated message05:16
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ubotuubotu is, like, uh... Thaaat's me! I'm a bot. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu!05:16
nickrudteferi, you around?05:16
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teferii'm getting reports of it not working on hoary05:16
nickrudI'll wait :)05:17
jmspeexAny extra urls I can add to my sources.list so I can get stuff that's normally in unstable (e.g. gcc 4.0.1 and gnome-alsa-mixer)05:17
teferiit seems to be an evolution bug05:17
teferiit's just not emitting dbus signals at all for some reason05:17
jmspeexubotu: why?05:17
ubotujmspeex: Are you smoking crack?05:17
jmspeexubotu: yes05:17
ubotujmspeex: No idea05:17
jasoncoheni know it's possible to create custom ubuntu install cds. is it also possible to create custom ubuntu live cds with additional packages?05:18
bojanglesjmspeex, because 1.02 has libgtkembedmoz that is used in many other programs05:18
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teferiman who converses with bot speaks into ether.05:18
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jmspeexbojangles: I was just entertaining the bot.05:18
bojanglesjmspeex, and if you put the new firefox in..it wipes out the old directory and destroys the library05:18
levanderThere is some utility I can run to verify that a CD I've got hasn't been scratched and that the data on it is still good?05:18
Madpilotman who converses with ubotu gets asked if he is on crack05:18
nickrudoffensive, isn't it05:19
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nickrudlevander, you can do an md5sum on the device, like md5sum /dev/cdrom05:20
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jasoncohenalso can the ubuntu live cd store settings on a USB key?05:20
nickrudlevander, I used that to check my hoary download, for example05:20
teferiand compare that to the iso, aye05:20
jmspeexSo, any way to get gcc 4.0.1?05:20
levandernickrud: do a md5sum on the device file itself?05:20
teferijmspeex: don't, it breaks the C++ ABI05:20
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robotgeekthou shall not insult bots (my bretheren ) on #ubuntu05:20
teferibreezy is still working on the transition05:20
nickrudlevander, just make sure the cdrom you want to check is mounted05:20
levandernickrud: and, I don't have to compare it against a md5 sum file that has the correct sum in it?05:20
teferinickrud: actually, you don't even have to do that05:21
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teferinickrud: you can check against the raw device file05:21
hoslerIs there a program for linux which will free up memory?05:21
teferi"free up memory"?05:21
levanderhosler: programs take up memory05:21
cafuegohosler: 'kill'05:21
levanderhosler: not free it05:21
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bojanglesjmspeex, in fact nobody even uses firefox....we have faster browsers...but we all download firefox1.02 to get the library that we need in lots of other places05:21
cafuegohosler: You don't want to do that you think you want to do anyway.05:21
hoslerteferi: well in windows some programs leave information in the memory even after they have been closed. Im wondering if linux does the same thing and if there is a program to fix it.05:21
teferihosler: no they don't :P05:21
cafuegohosler: No, Linux is not braindead in that way.05:22
levanderteferi: so how is this that I'm supposed to run md5sum on a device file? what's it supposed to do? I don't need to know the correct md5sum to compare the output against?05:22
elilinux is great for the memory problem... never had a problem with it. used 30 programs at once today and it was running fine05:22
teferithey may leave bits of themselves running, but that's different altogether05:22
teferilevander: md5sum <device file>, compare to md5sum <iso file>05:22
nickrudlevander, I did that, and got the same md5sum that was posted on the ubuntu site, so I was quite comfortable05:22
teferihosler: if you're talking about DLLs staying in memory, shared libraries that aren't being used get paged out05:22
teferiso they're not actually taking up memory05:22
teferiit's like that on windows too05:22
teferidon't worry about it05:22
levanderyeah, guys, but I don't know what the correct md5sum is supposed to be, i made these discs myself from files I just archived onto them05:22
La_PaRCaubotu tell me about repositories05:23
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bojanglesif you look in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox...you should be able to see the critical library05:23
eliLa_PaRCa , you mystified ubotu this time05:23
cafuegohosler: Linux will start using some of your ram as disk cache, but that is freed the moment it is needed. In the mean time it speeds up I/O on yor machine./05:23
jmspeexteferi: I'm a developer.05:23
nickrudlevander, md5sum the iso you meant to burn, then the cdrom05:23
nickrudcompare those05:23
La_PaRCaubotu tell me about backports05:24
teferijmspeex: er? I didn't say anything to you...05:24
levanderTerminX: nickrud: but will running md5sum attempt to read the entire disc?  And give me an error if it can't read something?  That's the common problem I have with old CD's.  Programs stop being able to read them.05:24
eliubotu tell me about repositories05:24
jmspeexteferi: regarding gcc 4.005:24
levanderi meant teferi, not TerminX05:24
teferidon't know what to tell you05:24
teferipardon me05:24
jmspeex4.0.0 is badly broken AFAIK, but 4.0.1 is supposed to be usable05:24
nickrudlevander, if the cd cannot be read, then all comparisons are moot, if I read you right05:25
La_PaRCauboru tell me about gdesklets05:25
La_PaRCaubotu tell me about gdesklets05:25
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eliubotu tell me about gdesklets05:25
teferiserves me right for assuming05:26
levandernickrud: right, but seee, i think that's what I want to check.  Just since I've burned the CD, it hasn't got any scratches on it, preventing me from being able to read it.  So, *if* md5sum attempts to read the whole disc, I would think it would give me an error saying "unable to read" if there's a scratch on the disc.05:26
nickrudlevander, try it and see what happens05:26
levandernickrud: but, does it sound to you like I'm checking what I think I'm checking? about to try now05:27
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nickrudlevander, yes, the check seems ok, but I would expect you to have some kind of hardware error if the disk is scratched05:27
bojanglesand plus the kde people are hacking libgtkembedmoz to produce libqtembedmoz05:28
levandernickrud: exactly, i'm checking to see if I get that hardware error05:28
levandernickrud: only thing I don't know is if md5sum tries to read the entire disc or not05:28
teferiit will05:28
teferiit has to read every byte to compute the md5sum05:29
levanderyeah, it's kind of acting like it is05:29
teferione byte's difference will produce a radically different hash05:29
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levanderteferi: but I don't care about the hash05:29
teferilevander: the md5sum05:29
levanderteferi: because I don't know what the correct hash (md5sum) is supposed to be05:29
nickrudlevander, yes you do, it's the md5sum05:29
levanderno guys, i really don't think i do05:29
teferiohh, i see, this isn't burned from an image?05:29
levandersomeone i'm not explaining this correctly05:30
nickrudlevander, ah, you are just trying to see if the disk is borked05:30
nickrudlevander, am I stupid, or excellent :)05:30
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levandernickrud: exactly!!! it's an old cd with a bunch of music files on it, i want to see if i need to reburn it now that i have access to the same music through a friend05:30
levandernickrud: so, do you think this test will work?05:31
nickrudlevander, if you cannot read it, then it's borked. Get it from your friend05:31
Octanei have a backports server in my sources.list yet when I try to get a pkg that I know is backported, it tries to get the old version05:31
levandernickrud: so you think md5sum is trying to read the whole disc then?05:31
teferiokay, time to try the hoary livecd and see if i can get evo-mail-notify working05:31
teferior at least start on it05:32
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nickrudlevander, just try to copy the cd data to your harddrive, forget md5sum05:32
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SDFH_Linuxthe ABI transition in debian is annoying05:32
levandernickrud: md5sum did just give me an io error, i think it worked05:32
bojanglesSDFH_Linux, well you can't expect your object to constantly be compatible...this is no different than the MS platform05:33
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bojanglesobject code05:33
hoofis there an easy way that I can install RPMs in ubuntu?05:33
teferiSDFH_Linux: patience05:33
Octanehoof: alien05:33
teferiSDFH_Linux: this, too, shall pass05:33
bojanglesMS changes their API and ABI all the time05:33
levanderisn't there some eject button on the ubuntu desktop somewhere?05:33
teferiall things are transient. bugs doubly so.05:33
hoofare RPMs supported in ubuntu?  Im new to ubuntu, i use fedora05:34
teferibojangles: tell that to the copy of VisiCalc for DOS I have that still runs on windows XP...05:34
SDFH_Linuxmaybe i am worried about breaking my debian system05:34
nickrudah, which abi is changing, I'm on dialup and cannot be current05:34
bojanglesso that developers will keep handing over to Bill Gates all their money in the vain hopes of making any money05:34
teferibojangles: also tell that to my copy of MS-DOS Executive from Windows 1.005:34
levanderhoof: try to avoid using rpms,but yes, you can install rpm on ubuntu05:34
teferibojangles: also tell that to my copy of File Manager from Windows 3.105:34
teferiYou get the idea.05:34
hoofOctane: yes, alien...but I had to do that in the command prompt right?  How about a package manager that works in the GUI05:35
calcteferi: also note that by keeping compat to the extent that ms can't fix their security problems :)05:35
Octanehoof: not that i know of, sorry05:35
teferihoof: the debian/ubuntu packaging system is called "dpkg"05:35
teferiwe use .debs rather than .rpms05:35
hooflevander: yes, but most of my linux softwares are in rpm...i wanted to install maya for linux in ubuntu but they're in rpms05:35
bojanglesteferi, you mean XP is binary compatible with the real old stuff.05:35
calcbut as far as saying microsoft doesn't keep compat with their own stuff that is untrue they keep it to a fault05:35
teferibojangles: yep05:36
nickrudhoof, look on packages.ubuntu.com for what you want before using any rpms, the odds are good05:36
bojanglesteferi, well that seems to conflict with a lot of gamers reports05:36
teferibojangles: therefore, there hasn't been significant ABI breakage05:36
calcthe only things that lose out for microsoft stuff tends to be things that do low level driver magic05:36
calclike norton utilities, etc05:36
teferior old drivers05:36
teferithings like that05:36
bojanglesteferi, well the gamers are saying that their directx object code has to change from one version to the next05:36
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calci don't think linux is particularly bad in that it doesn't support old stuff though05:37
teferibojangles: nuh-uh05:37
calcit just makes open source software more important :)05:37
teferibojangles: you ask for a specific version of DX in your code05:37
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teferibojangles: and it gives you exactly that interface05:37
bojanglesteferi, hmm..ok...maybe i got some inaccurate news.05:37
teferiwarts and all05:37
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levanderhoof: look for .debs in the ubuntu repositories before you install rpms05:37
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teferibojangles: you can ask for the DX 1.0 interface in your code on windows today running DX9, and everything will still work just as it once did05:37
hoofill check it out05:38
levanderisn't there supposed to be an icon that shows up on my desktop whenever I put a CD in my drive?  That I can right click on and choose "Eject"?05:38
nickrudhoof, what is it you are looking fore05:38
jmannsdoes anyone know what the best html editor for linux is?05:38
levanderhoof: when you said may, did you mean amaya?05:38
teferibojangles: it's really a rather nice piece of hackery05:38
calclevander: yes usually :\05:38
bojanglesteferi, hmm...that is interesting....perhaps then the game engines aren't being written properly05:38
calclevander: sometimes it doesn't work05:38
levandercalc: I think I turned that feature off, anybody can remember hwo to turn it back on?05:38
teferilevander: system->preferences->removable drives and media05:38
calcunder removable drives and media preference05:39
levanderhoof: also, packages.ubuntu.com lets you search all the .debs ubuntu has packaged05:39
hoofnickrud:  actually, im just trying to figure out how to install my rpms in ubuntu because most of my linux apps are in rpms...such as Alias MAYA05:39
calcunder system -> preferences on my gnome 2.11.x05:39
levanderteferi: which option on that dialog re-enables that icon on the desktop?05:39
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calcoh no another flavor of ubuntu ;)05:39
hoofi used to be a fedora user05:39
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nickrudhoof, there's about 15,000 packages available as debs for ubuntu05:39
calcthe e dub's edition ;)05:39
teferilevander: "mount removable media when insered"05:40
coolkevhow can i format drive hdb1 to use resierFS filesystem05:40
coolkevcurrently it's on FAt3205:40
calccoolkev: mkfs.reiserfs /dev/hdb105:40
coolkevthanks calc05:40
Octaneanyone here know anything about m4b files?05:40
Octanehow to convert mp3s to them05:40
calccoolkev: oh hold on05:40
calccoolkev: if you also have windows for dual boot still you need to zero out the partition first05:41
levanderteferi: yeah, i got that one checked, but a little icon doesn't pop up on the desktop when i put a cd in the drive.  An entire nautilus window does that lets me see all the files on the CD.05:41
coolkevi want to complete format it and clean it05:41
hoofnickrud: yeah but does it include MAYA05:41
coolkevno i'm completely linux05:41
calccoolkev: to zero the partition first do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb105:41
teferilevander: if you go to Places->Computer, there'll be an icon in there that you can right-click on to eject05:41
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calccoolkev: if the system is only going to run linux the dd step isn't necessary05:41
coolkevi already typed it05:42
coolkevam i screwed?05:42
calcit won't hurt anything05:42
calcdd zeros out the partition completely05:42
coolkevok good05:42
calcwriting a new fs to a partition only overwrites the parts it needs to05:42
hoofis there a website that will instruct me how to compile a new kernel?05:42
coolkevye i needed to completrely format it05:42
calcwhich if you dual boot with windows may not overwrite parts that windows looks at to see if it is FAT/NTFS05:43
calcbut dd overwrites it all05:43
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levanderteferi: thanks, i might use that, i just like that icon that shows up on the desktop is all.  I went ahead and ejected the cd from the command line05:43
coolkevafter wards when it's finished it's operation i type mkfs.reiserfs /dev/hdb105:43
calccoolkev: yea05:43
coolkevok thanks bud05:44
ubotuYou will probably find info about this at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto05:44
teferilevander: it should show up, i couldn't tell you why without knowing more about your system05:44
emXhoof: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-20974.html should help; it refers to ppc, but the instructions generally apply05:44
nickrudhoof, ah, I looked around, and probably not, unless alias provides a deb. Alien can be your friend, in this case )05:44
levanderteferi: I vaguely remember changing an option a long time ago on this machine to turn it off.  Now I've got to find that damn option and turn it back on.05:45
bojanglesit is funny in a way....all these people say they can't make any money on gpl system...even though the rich make billions of dollars off of it.05:45
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hoofnickrud: if i use alien, would it install my rpm without any problems?05:46
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bojanglesbut it is the same on MS system because Bill Gates gets all their money for constantly changing development tools...and consulting fees....and they never get a dime for their MS code.05:46
trs80Hi, does anyone have any idea why I'm getting 10-60% iowait on a dual 3.4ghz xeon? HP proliant DL360 with 1GB ram and two 160gb seagate 7200.7 drives in raid 105:46
bojanglesso these people are fucked either way....so they might as well just join the free software community....at least they don't have to pay for development tools05:47
hoofwhere do i get make-kpkg05:47
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tritiumhoof, sudo apt-get install kernel-package05:47
calctrs80: do you have dma enabled on the drives?05:47
trs80calc: they're sata05:47
levanderteferi: found the damn thing, in gconf: apps -> nautilus -> desktop -> volumes visible has to be checked05:48
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calctrs80: oh ok05:48
aruhey bojangles, watch the language please05:48
levanderteferi: but thanks for letting me know i wasn't crazy and that that icon was supposed to be there05:48
calctrs80: they are already synced up too i presume?05:48
teferiit was05:48
trs80md0 : active raid1 sdb2[0]  sda2[1] 05:48
trs80      156095488 blocks [2/2]  [UU] 05:48
hoofok tritium: thanks05:48
bojanglesaru, ok...just trying to be accurate.05:48
calctrs80: not sure then, i haven't used software raid much though05:48
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FreedomzenOk I just installed Ubuntu (Breezy) on my laptop and nothing... so I tried to apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and got a bunch of depend problems anyone have info on this?05:49
nickrudhoof, alien is pretty smart, but, it's not perfect. You can try.05:49
coolkevwhat is iowait trs8005:49
trs80I don't see why it should be ... elsewhere I've got a dual opteron 242 doing raid 5 over 4 disks no sweat05:49
arubojangles: it's cool, but we need linux to be a good place for the kids to turn, if they want sex, violence and cursing they can switch to fox news :)05:49
trs80coolkev: processes are waiting for the disk to return the data05:50
hybrid_goth!kernel recompile05:50
ubotuWish i knew, hybrid_goth05:50
coolkevoh ic05:50
emXFreedomzen: breezy is expected to be broken until it's released (see channel topic); unless you have specific errors, we'll have a hard time helping you.05:50
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hybrid_goth!kernel compile05:50
ubotuI don't know, hybrid_goth05:50
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trs80it shows up in top as ##% wa in the Cpu(s) line. also gettable from /proc/stat05:50
nickrudhoof, I have caught a few people wanting to get gftp (for example) using alien, you may want to ask on the ubuntu-mailling list about maya05:50
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calcgrr this stupid hold won't work :\05:52
FreedomzenemX, used latest install iso and upon boot when it usually configures base system, it immediatly went to apptitude.... then fell back to a console login so I logged in and ran a update then an install ubuntu-desktop but got a bunch of dependincy errors05:52
bojanglesaru, yes that is true...we don't know if there are any kids in here.05:52
coolkevare amd sempron processors any good?05:52
levanderdoes it happen to everybody that if they leave their cd's out of their case for awhile, the cd eventually gets scratched and can't be read?05:53
Freedomzencoobra, no05:53
coolkevthey are very affordable but do their performace suck?05:53
calccoolkev: get one of the new 64bit if you do05:53
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coolkevout of my price range05:53
calccoolkev: the socket a based ones are near end of life05:53
FlyingSquirrel32Hey, really in need here, anyone know nfs?05:53
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calcFlyingSquirrel32: a bit, whats up?05:53
robotgeeklevander: cd's get scratched only in the process of putting it in & out of the cdrom05:53
nickrudlevander, that is probably a derivative of murphy's law05:53
emXFreedomzen: sorry, i personally haven't moved to breezy yet; perhaps someone else in the channel has?05:53
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bojanglesFlying-Penguin, no..that is proprietary stuff05:54
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coolkevnfs = Need for speed?05:54
levanderrobotgeek: not true05:54
FlyingSquirrel32Permission denied.05:54
bojanglesFlying-Penguin, i think NFS belongs to NOvell file system or somthing05:54
calcFreedomzen: breezy is a bit broken at the moment05:54
teferiNFS is the Network File System05:54
calcnetwork fs05:54
robotgeeklevander: there's no contact in the cdrom drive?05:54
calcfrom Sun05:54
teferiIt is a very old network file system and is, unfortunately, a lingua franca as far as Unix is concerned.05:54
bojanglesteferi, ok..is it patent free05:54
teferiUnfortunately because it's pretty awful05:54
FlyingSquirrel32one sec I'll get my export05:54
levanderrobotgeek: i'm just saying cd's can get scratch in other ways05:54
teferiand relies on a pretty awful RPC mechanism05:54
teferibojangles: by now, certainly05:54
levanderrobotgeek: like scraping them against something05:55
teferibojangles: seeing as linux implements it...05:55
bojanglesteferi, oh...well that is good news.05:55
_teddoes anyone here know any more info about Ubuntulite?05:55
Freedomzenso I could wait and apt-get update sometime in the near future and deps could be fixed or are we talking long term05:55
robotgeekrobotgeek: true, i meant it's kinda ironic that it doesn't get scratched while in actual use05:55
bojanglesteferi, you can't go by what some linux distros put in...because they are still learning and make mistakes05:55
Freedomzenwould I be better off installing sid?05:55
teferibojangles: it's in the linux kernel05:55
FlyingSquirrel32teferi, What do admins use in a unxi/linux network?05:55
teferibojangles: and has been since before linux 2.005:55
levander_ted: i think that's the thing they're doing for the education markets, look in the breezy wiki for explanation05:55
emXFreedomzen: you'd be better off installing Hoary05:56
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teferibojangles: nfs is not patent-encumbered. don't worry05:56
teferiit's a shame that it's awful.05:56
teferiFlyingSquirrel32: depends on how big the network is05:56
emXFreedomzen: is there some reason you need Breezy?05:56
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bojanglesteferi, oh...ok...well i hear Linus and his leutenants watch things carefully so they probably already investigated this.05:56
teferiin a big environment, everyone loves to use (Open)AFS because it's fast, scalable, etc05:56
teferibojangles: just relax, man05:56
_tedI tried, but the Ubuntulite site (linked from distrowatch) was down05:56
calcwhee i managed to fix breezy with enough fscking holds to do an upgrade05:56
teferiFlyingSquirrel32: probably nfs05:56
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FlyingSquirrel32oh. with NIS?05:56
teferiit is simple to use once you set it up, confound it05:56
FreedomzenemX, other than the fact im a "has to have the new stuff guy" no05:56
teferigod forbid05:56
teferino one uses NIS anymore05:56
gnuyendoes anyone have a motorola razr phone and sync contacts w/ evolution successfully?05:57
calcFreedomzen: if you use a package manager and have a lot of patience you might be able to get it to work now05:57
calcFreedomzen: iow not apt-get05:57
teferiwell, okay, that's not true, but no one's deploying new installations of it05:57
FlyingSquirrel32teferi: what then?05:57
teferiFlyingSquirrel32: for centralized auth, today, ldap's the thing05:57
levanderteferi: what they use instead of nis?05:57
calcwe rolled out windows authentication for linux boxes at work :005:57
calcthats some evil shit ;)05:57
teferilevander: ldap05:57
tefericalc: been there, done that, wrote the book05:58
FlyingSquirrel32linux journal just had an article this year on setting up nis with kerberos05:58
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teferiwell, not the book, but a detailed internal doc05:58
levander_ted: i'm looking for that breezy wiki for you05:58
teferiFlyingSquirrel32: no one's deploying new installations of nis05:58
teferii assure you05:58
nickrudteferi, so, you are on the dark side? ;P05:58
teferiit's hacky and scales very poorly05:58
teferinickrud: "dark side"05:58
mindampwhat are talking about?05:58
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teferiI use whatever works best to do my job.05:58
teferiI don't care who made it or whether they eat babies.05:58
ethicsso for some bizarre reason i have downloaded ubuntu i38 install cd around the 585 MB area....is there a windows way to md5chk them?05:58
nickrudteferi, lol05:59
teferiThat's completely between them and the babies.05:59
bojanglesteferi, but anyway my point is that you cannot go by what distros try to include because they don't know all the facts and some of the legal issues are still unsettled....so you have to err on the safe side.05:59
_tedlevander: thank you05:59
teferibojangles: good god, man, EVERYTHING unix speaks NFS05:59
robotgeekethics: there's a program called blue md5 or something which is free (as in beer)05:59
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emXethics: see http://www.linuxiso.org/viewdoc.php/verifyiso.html05:59
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levander_ted: i think what you're talking about is edubuntu, at the top of this wiki page: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals05:59
calceven windows can do nfs with a download05:59
teferibojangles: sun released it unencumbered eons ago05:59
robotgeekemX: better, i guess05:59
levander_ted: that wiki lists all the goals for breezy05:59
teferijust relax05:59
emXrobotgeek: elinks is my friend.06:00
bojanglesteferi, ok...just making sure it was not that proprietary Novell File System...because NFS can stand for different things06:00
chaps0063I was wondering if there are any gui file synchronization utilities to sync between a local folder and a windows share.06:00
teferiif people put half the energy they do into having panic attacks over IP law into hacking, linux would be awesome06:00
teferibojangles: You're thinking of NetWare06:00
robotgeekemX: are u talking abt the browser??06:00
teferibojangles: There are several open-source implementations of NCP.06:00
emXrobotgeek: yeah; quick find, copy, etc. makes helping easy.06:00
teferiAll are completely legal.06:00
bojanglesteferi, we don't touch open source stuff06:01
calcbojangles: Novell FS is called something else, i forgot what06:01
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teferiNetWare Core Protocol Filesystem.06:01
teferiNO ONE calls Netware Novell FS.06:01
calcteferi: ah yea NCP06:01
bojanglesteferi, many of them are being sued right and left by the big guys as soon as they get some money06:01
robotgeekemX: nice, i use simpy for all that...different systems, access to bookmarks is ensured06:01
_tedlevander: thats is not the one I was referring to... will post link as soon as I get it back06:01
bojanglesteferi, we don't touch open source06:01
teferibojangles: well, seeing as novell is abandoning netware anyway, that's rather unlikely06:01
teferibut you know what? be that way. it's late and i'm too tired to care06:01
ethicsanyone know how to md5 check something from windows?06:01
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calcbojangles: who is suing any open source company other than SCO?06:02
FlyingSquirrel32teferi: so It sounds like nfs is good if you're savy enough to set it up. just seems todays admin's have been temped by the dark side to go with something easier to set up[06:02
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wasabiSo what's the proper way now to set up a X login script for a user?06:02
wasabiSo it works with GDM.06:02
_tedlevander: http://www.ubuntulite.org/06:02
teferiThere IS no "dark side", god damn it! There's stuff that works, and there's stuff that doesn't work, and that's the ONLY distinction that needs to be made!06:02
robotgeekwasabi: x login script??06:02
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HrdwrBoBFlyingSquirrel32: nfs is trivial to setup06:03
hoofi tried to compile kernel 2.6.12 and i couldnt make menuconfig...it's looking for ncurses06:03
robotgeekteferi: true, as long as it's not on the dark side :)06:03
calcNCP support itself has been in the linux kernel for many years (maybe even since 1.2 i can't remember that far back)06:03
_tedhoof: sudo apt-get install ncurses06:03
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ethicsteferi robotgeek: i refer to closed source as bl;ack magic rather than dark side....makes more sense to me hehe06:03
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wasabirobotgeek, yeah to launch other than gnome-session06:03
nickrudteferi, I do happen to agree with you, I sometimes like to fish :)06:03
hoof_ted: couldnt be found...06:03
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emXethics: http://www.linuxiso.org/viewdoc.php/verifyiso.html06:04
robotgeek!info build-essential06:04
ubotubuild-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 10.1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB06:04
ethicshoof: apt-get install build-essential06:04
FlyingSquirrel32teferi: but I can speak for the fact that when nfs is set up, it's MUCH nicer than SMB06:04
hoofwhat's build essential?06:04
emXhoof: apt-cache show build-essential06:04
calcFlyingSquirrel32: yea SMB sucks06:04
hybrid_gothhoof: needed to ./config06:04
OrbordeHey, Ubuntu folks. Where would I get a copy of the GNU dev tools suitable for Ubuntu installation, as Ubuntu seems to lack important things like a compiler?06:04
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ethicshoof things that are essential to build stuff like kernels and debs in general.....06:04
_tedall the packages you need to install source packages06:04
teferiFlyingSquirrel32: that's not saying much, SMB is a bastard slut-whore of a protocol06:04
nickrudhoof, build-essential gets you gcc, etc06:05
ethicshoof: gcc make ncurses ....all the minimums06:05
robotgeekOrborde: apt-cache show build-essential06:05
slinkywhats wrong with slut_whores?06:05
hybrid_gothSMB is based of network neighborhood06:05
FlyingSquirrel32HrdwrBoB: okay. hold on and I'll get the exports06:05
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calchybrid_goth: eh?06:05
teferihybrid_goth: you're thinking of netbios broadcast name resolution06:05
ethicsslinky:  tired hard day?06:05
HrdwrBoBFlyingSquirrel32: what's the problem?06:05
teferidifferent thing altogether, though it also sucks06:05
slinkyi guess.....sorry06:05
teferiand now stop talking to me, god damn it, i need sleep06:05
FlyingSquirrel32HrdwrBoB: Permission Denied.06:05
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levander_ted: that link you sent me doesn't even show up in google's cache.  I guess it's possible they just haven't submitted it to google yet.06:06
teferii hate you all. and now, good night for real. on pain of pain.06:06
hybrid_gothteferi: no i was readin in synaptic samba is made like network neighborhood in windows06:06
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nickrudteferi, good night, and thanks06:06
FlyingSquirrel32HrdwrBoB: /home ,rw) laptop(rw)06:06
teferino, it isn't, read the docs on samba.org, more about SMB, NetBIOS, and the rest than you ever wanted to know06:06
robotgeekteferi: nite06:06
slinkyusing ubuntu for cou[le weeks now...OK to use straight deb repos?06:06
hoofim liking what im experiencing in ubuntu so far...i think it's really stable compared to fedora or redhat06:07
nickrudslinky, if you mean debian repos, no06:07
emXslinky: not really; what do you need?06:07
ubuntuhi I'm trying to fix grub with Ubuntu Live CD, but it seems grub is not there, is there away to restore grub?06:07
HrdwrBoBFlyingSquirrel32: are you root06:07
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hoofexcept for the rpm thingy06:07
HrdwrBoBFlyingSquirrel32: if so, that's the problem06:07
slinkywell, havnt really came across situation yet, just curious06:07
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FlyingSquirrel32HrdwrBoB: what?? I have to use sudo to run  the mount06:07
emXslinky: most everything you'll need is supplied in the ubuntu repos (or the 'universe' repository)06:07
hypa7iacould anyone tell me what the name of the gnome cd burning app is?06:07
emXhypa7ia: gnomebaker06:08
HrdwrBoBFlyingSquirrel32: you get permission denied with mount?06:08
emXslinky: np06:08
nickrudslinky, most of the debian repos as of around april 1 are available in ubuntu06:08
Orborderobotgeek: Okay...so what do I do with this information? It spat out a filename; I assume I need to unpackage it? How do I do that?06:08
hypa7iathanks emX !06:08
emXhypa7ia: there aer others, but i prefer gnomebaker06:08
ubuntuanyone knows how to restore grub with Live CD?06:08
hypa7iaoh no06:08
slinkyreally....sounds like someone is trying to replace debian?06:08
Chinmanmaybe it's a disc manager software06:08
ethicsslinky: debs are just like rpms but a bit better....if its a crap build itll still crash etc....dependancies may be meetable but sometimes debs are built for a distro....ie etch/sarge over ubuntu06:08
hypa7iai meant the one that comes by default06:08
robotgeekOrborde: you can install it to get all the basic tools, with a sudo apt-get install build-essential06:08
calcubuntu: make sure to mount the fs without nodev set06:09
hypa7iaemX: just in nautilus06:09
ethicswell i cam from etch 2 days ago and no problems...06:09
nickrudslinky, the way I see it, is debian for the non-techs06:09
calcubuntu: then chroot into the mount point06:09
emXhypa7ia: ??06:09
calcubuntu: then run grub-install06:09
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FlyingSquirrel32HrdwrBoB: Good god.06:09
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slinkymmmm...id agree...judging by trhe ubuntu forum06:09
nickrud*channel, can never get that right06:10
emXnickrud: ;_06:10
FlyingSquirrel32HrdwrBoB: all this time I've been running: "sudo mount desktop:/hosts /nfs"06:10
hypa7iaemX: it was nautilus-cd-burner06:10
FlyingSquirrel32wrong share name!06:10
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HrdwrBoBFlyingSquirrel32: hahah06:10
ethicsdebian is a server version ubuntu is the desktop version.....debians getting more desktop stuff daily tho and it's not far behind really06:10
HrdwrBoBFlyingSquirrel32: oops06:10
robotgeekFlyingSquirrel32: get some cofee!06:10
slinkyah well, just though id pop in and check out the ubuntu channel06:10
slinkywill drop by again06:10
Orborderobotgeek: Does that require an Internet connection? So far this Linux box has no Internet.06:11
s0lidhow can i set xmms to run by default when i double click an mp3 file?06:11
slinkygonna go mount the wife now06:11
FlyingSquirrel32It wasn't until a was typing it in to show you guys that I noticed.06:11
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rok47is the sid kernel image of 2.6.12 coming out soon? the udev package wont' upgrade because it requires 2.6.12 kernel06:11
robotgeekOrborde: yeah, you need a net connection. i guess there are extra cd's which you can download later06:11
emXhypa7ia: of course; sorry. that makes sense. that'll work, too.06:11
FlyingSquirrel32Of course I alsways was repeating the same command with the up arrow06:11
ethicsslinky  mount -t rootfs /dev/wife  /mounts/me06:11
s0lidhow can i set xmms to run by default when i double click an mp3 file?06:11
hypa7iaokay, next question.  i've got a bunch of invalid unicode in some m[306:12
hypa7iaerrr crap, cant type tonight06:12
ethicss0lid : gnome?06:12
robotgeekOrborde: also there are apt-zip and apt-move, but i havent used them before06:12
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OrbordeOkay, then, where might I find a decent freeware proxy server?06:12
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FlyingSquirrel32HrdwrBoB: thanks for your help, good night all!06:12
hypa7iaokay, next question.  i've got a bunch of invalid unicode in some mp3 filenames and i'm trying to locate which files have them.  any suggestions?06:12
calchypa7ia: might not be unicode then06:12
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zwnjthat is /.dev?  i have no problem when umount it...06:12
Orborderobotgeek: it's asking for the CD...06:13
ethicshypa7ia  Grep06:13
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hypa7iagrep for what though, don't knwo what characters are incorrect06:13
FlyingSquirrel32Hey, one more thing... What should I use NIS, LDAP or something else?06:13
calchypa7ia: hmm06:13
robotgeekOrborde: are u on a different machine than ur ubuntu?06:13
ethicshypa7ia  you can do most things with grep but amarok has a retty hardcore databse engine in it for a mp3 player if you need gui06:13
emXFlyingSquirrel32: I'd go with openLDAP06:14
robotgeekOrborde: i forgot, you would need to install both those programs using the net again. my bad06:14
hypa7iai actually just need to get these files onto a dvd so i can return them to their owner06:14
ethicshypa7ia do you know what mp3s?06:14
hypa7iathat's the problem06:14
emXFlyingSquirrel32: NIS installs are becoming fewer and further between; LDAP sites are growing.06:14
robotgeekOrborde: you might be better off getting the extra cd06:14
hypa7iai thought i had renamed allt he problem ones but i'm getting the same rror06:14
ethicshypa7ia: hmm ok so how do you know they have unicode/?06:15
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FlyingSquirrel32emX: can you suggest a howto or something similar?06:15
ethicshypa7ia and could you just retag them and solve it you think?06:15
hypa7iatags arent the problem06:16
emXFlyingSquirrel32: hang on; finding...06:16
hypa7iaethics: filenames are06:16
ethicshypa7ia  there were a few mass tag changers so if the id3 tags are good you can tag the files from id3 or vice versa06:16
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hypa7iathat's not the issue, it;s the filenames06:16
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hypa7iaand i don;t know how to generically search for "bad unicode"06:16
hypa7iagues i'm stuck with ls -R | less06:17
emXFlyingSquirrel32: http://aqua.subnet.at/~max/ldap/ -- focuses on debian woody/sarge, but should be generally applicable06:17
calci think something writes to syslog for bad unicode filenames (iirc)06:17
calcso if that happens you could catch it that way06:17
Chinmanhow to mount ntfs in ubuntu linux?06:18
hypa7iaooh, cool, how do i do that?  tail /var/something?06:18
FlyingSquirrel32emX: is this diff from plain ldap?06:18
coolkevdo you know what drive it is?06:18
emXFlyingSquirrel32: how so?06:18
coolkevlike hda1 or hda2?06:19
levanderteferi: the three discs I tried testing with md5sum all gave me io errors when I ran as "md5sum /dev/hdc".  However, I just copied the entire disc over just fine using Windows Explorer and copying from the CD to the hard drive.  I don't think that tests works.06:19
Chinmancoolkev, hda306:19
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emXlevander: teferi's gone to sleep...06:19
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Orborderobotgeek: Yes, I'm on a separate machine from my Ubuntu, but I have the Ubuntu working with this one via network file sharing.06:19
FlyingSquirrel32emX: no, I'm asking. Is this the same as "plain" ldap06:19
emXFlyingSquirrel32: openLDAP and 'plain' LDAP are interoperable, yes.06:19
nickrudlevander, and, the copy is the ultimate test :)06:19
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coolkevwhere do you want to mount chinman?06:19
Orborderobotgeek: I think I just managed to install everything from my Ubuntu install CD.06:19
bojanglescalc, it is all over the place....but if SCO gets $3billion dollars from IBM....there will be lots of lawsuits flying in every direction06:20
FlyingSquirrel32emX:cool. I like open.06:20
coolkevdo you kno the specific folder?06:20
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emXFlyingSquirrel32: open is nice, indeed.06:20
calcbojangles: SCO will not get anything06:20
coolkevremember the folder must exiist06:20
trs80ok, disabling the raid 1 still leaves iowait of 10%+06:20
Chinmancoolkev: mnt06:20
FlyingSquirrel32thanks. see you guy later.06:20
calcbojangles: they have no case at all06:20
robotgeekOrborde: yeah, i follow. but there's an additional cd with other packages. i'm trying to pull up the link06:20
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calcbojangles: it will likely get a summary judgement once the preliminaries are done at the end of the year06:20
coolkevChinman: sudo mount /dev/hda3 /mnt -t ntfs -o umask=22206:20
emXSCO -> #ubuntu-offtopic?06:20
bojanglescalc, well lots of legal issues are still unsettled...and patience is required to sort out the facts06:21
calcbojangles: with no cases what is there to sort?06:21
calcplease take it to offtopic channel as emX mentioned06:21
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bojanglescalc, who knows i am not a judge..there is some Judge Kimball or someone looking into everything06:21
emXcalc: ;)06:22
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OrbordeQuestion time: What IRC clients are you folks using?06:22
trs80(on win32, but I'm at work. my main irc client is ircII though)06:22
emXOrborde: irssi (aliased to 'irc' on Ubuntu)06:22
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da_bon_bonhi all06:23
emXhello da_bon_bon06:23
tritiumda_bon_bon, blast from the past.  How are you?06:23
da_bon_bonanyone here uses ubuntu-lite ?06:23
da_bon_bonhi emX06:23
da_bon_bontritium: lol.. i am fine :)06:23
ethicsso this hoary install disc is a screwed image on the website or is there some bizarre burning method?06:23
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SPCCrow!info x06:24
robotgeekOrborde: moment, slow internet :(06:24
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Chinmancoolkev: what's the umask=222 means?06:24
da_bon_bonhow bout you, tritium ?06:24
SPCCrowHow do i get ubuntu to reinstall the x package?06:24
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coolkevi don't know... but it's just the way it is06:24
tritiumda_bon_bon, I'm fine, thanks :)06:24
coolkevi have been doing it this why06:24
emXSPCCrow: sudo apt-get --reinstall install x-window-system06:24
calcbojangles: do you think that if there was a case IBM wouldn't have already bought SCO since they are only worth $70M? :)06:24
robotgeekto xhcat users, how do you switch tabs?06:24
tritiumSPCCrow, why reinstall?06:24
Orborderobotgeek: Compared to my dialup, anything is fast. Delay away.06:24
calcIBMs part of the court case alone probably costs more than that06:25
ethicshas anyone here burnt the hoary 5.04 install for i386?  seems the images are all gooshed...06:25
robotgeekOrborde: i am on a filthy wireless, with the router far far away!06:25
SPCCrowThe x-server messed up and now ubuntu cant start it, need to reinstall and reconfigure it06:25
emXethics: I burned a hoary disc recently; no problem for me.06:25
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Chinmanis there a default root pasworld in ubuntu?06:25
emXChinman: no; use sudo instead06:25
hybrid_gothChinman: root is disabled06:25
ubotu[sudo]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo06:26
emXrobotgeek: i sympathize; my radio's trying to connect through a hot, humid day. makes IRC a jittery experience...06:26
robotgeek@all, please give Orborde the link for the ubuntu extra packages cd!06:26
robotgeekemX: *sigh*06:27
ethicsubotu if i have a iso with the right md5 checksum and the fucking think doesnt work from 4 servers who do i need to tell?06:27
ubotuI'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, ethics06:27
emXrobotgeek: fricking humidity...06:27
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Chinmanthanks. the ubuntu is different to other linux systems06:27
robotgeekemX: it's nighttime here :)06:27
ICXCNIKAWell my ubuntu cd came in today. However, I am not certain once I put it on my computer I will have internet access.06:27
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emXrobotgeek: same here.06:28
emXICXCNIKA: how do you access the internet? wired? wireless?06:28
Madpilotethics: ubotu really is a bot...06:28
s0lidhow can i set xmms to run by default when i double click an mp3 file? yes it's gnome06:28
ICXCNIKAWell currently through a Conexant modem.06:28
Oompa:) I just installed Ubuntu. I am on it right now :D06:29
ICXCNIKAHowever when I am at university, I use ethernet. I also have wireless, and I am sure that won't work once I install it.06:29
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OompaCan someone point me in the direction of the ubuntu forums?06:29
emXICXCNIKA: standard PCI network cards are supported under ubuntu06:29
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ICXCNIKAJust not my wireless or my dial-up.06:30
s0lidhow can i set xmms to run by default when i double click an mp3 file? yes it's gnome06:30
robotgeekICXCNIKA: which wireless card do u have?06:30
robotgeeks0lid: moment06:30
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ICXCNIKADell TrueMobile WLAN 130006:30
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robotgeeks0lid: right-click on the mp3 file06:31
illogic-alhow do i get ubunutu to play mp3s06:31
ubotuI heard restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats06:31
emXAgrajag: interesting nick switch; no arthur here, though.06:31
robotgeeksay open with other application06:31
sky_monkey007ICXCNIKA, I don't know about your particular wireless card, but Ubuntu was able to recognize my Netgear WG511 right off the bat06:31
hondjenautilus doesn't like .eps files?06:31
hondjehow odd06:32
tritiumhondje, it shouldn't have any problems06:32
s0lidrobotgeek, how can i make the xmms program be the default player for mp3 files?06:32
AgrajagZaphod is the nick I use most places; someone else has it here06:32
calcbojangles: how long have you used that nick btw? it sounds vaguely familiar06:32
sky_monkey007what wireless chipset does your laptop use?06:32
robotgeeksay open with xmms06:32
hondjetritium: it cried about it being postscript (reasonable) and then told me to pick an application to open it with :-/06:32
benplautatheros, for me06:32
AgrajagBut some idiot bastard keeps trying to take it, so anytime I get disconnected I have to remember to kill him and switch back06:32
tritiumhondje, hm06:32
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ICXCNIKAsky_monkey: I'm not sure.06:33
sky_monkey007are you from CJ?06:33
s0lidrobotgeek, yes06:33
emXAgrajag: hehe; rather apropos to your current nick, no?06:33
hondjedoeesn't thumbnail them either06:33
robotgeekone sec..06:33
AgrajagSomewhat I suppose06:33
Agrajagit's really annoying; I think the guy who keeps taking it is a bot06:33
emXAgrajag: ouch.06:33
sky_monkey007Agrajag, your not from CJ.com, are you?06:33
ICXCNIKAI guess I will have to install it on another partition and just check..ugh.06:33
robotgeeks0lid: got it, right click -> properties -> open with -> xmms06:34
sky_monkey007good.  Just checking06:34
s0lidrobotgeek, oh yeah! thank you very much :)06:35
calcbojangles: still here?06:35
levanderwhat's the most popular playlist format?06:35
emXlevander: .pls?06:35
robotgeekICXCNIKA: did u check the ndiswrapper wiki?06:35
OompaCan anyone point me in the direction of a tutorial on how to mount hard drives?06:35
robotgeekOompa: man mount06:36
levanderi need to write two scripts, one to generate xspf playlists cause it's the best format, another to generate a more popular format06:36
ICXCNIKAYes I am looking at it. However, I am not using wireless at the moment. I am using dial-up. So I want to figure out how to get my conexant modem working...or if Ubuntu will read it.06:36
bojanglescalc, yes...but anyway there are still quite a few lawsuits going on....just recently some law suit was levied against someone who hacked someone else's game server06:36
emXOompa: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//InstallingANewHardDrive06:37
emXOompa: above link generally addresses your question; can you be more specific?06:37
ICXCNIKAIf I run the Liveversion, I wonder if it will be detected...06:37
ICXCNIKAOr if that is a good way to test.06:37
Flying-PenguinHELLO all06:37
calcbojangles: bnetd?06:38
bojanglescalc, but anyway the stuff is not settled so it is best to err on the safe side.06:38
bojanglescalc, i think it was called Battlenet or something like that06:38
emXcalc, bojangles: -> #ubuntu-offtopic?06:38
calcbojangles: that case is even older than the SCO one06:38
calcemX: ok :)06:38
emXit's nice and quiet there...06:38
ICXCNIKALet me see...06:39
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emXHrdwrBoB: really? i always wondered how the product stacked up...06:42
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EightBitcan someone here help me w/ installation?06:44
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emXcan you describe the problem?06:44
OompaI just went thought it :D06:44
tritiumEightBit, please elaborate06:44
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bojanglescalc, well what about the lawsuit where some people were rerouting other people's websites to get all their traffic06:44
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EightBitwell, quite simply06:44
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bojanglescalc, anyway there are quite a few06:45
EightBitI have no idea how to install this thing06:45
hoslerWhat is an easy and fun programming language for *nix operating systems? I want something that will allow me to write and compile very fast. Maybe something like vb6 on windows.06:45
EightBitI haven't used linux before06:45
Oompa8: ok06:45
OompaBurn it to an cd06:45
tritiumhosler, you might like python06:45
EightBitburn what?06:45
Oompathen stick it in your computer and reboot06:45
Oompaubuntu installer..06:45
ubotuI haven't a clue, Madpilot06:45
robotgeekpython rocks!06:45
tritiumEightBit, what is it you want to install?  ubuntu itself?06:45
EightBiti downloaded06:46
hoslertritium: any books/websites you recommend to start learning?06:46
EightBitthe unbuntu live files06:46
EightBitand the permanent installation files06:46
tritiumhosler, even one already installed on your machine...06:46
hoslertritium: a tutorial is allready on my machine?06:46
tritiumhosler, open up the help system (life-preserver icon) and go to Applications->Programming->Dive Into Python :)06:46
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EightBitwhat files do I need to burn?06:47
MadpilotEightBit: and you burned them to CD?06:47
EightBitnot yet06:47
hoslertritium: ok well is there a good gui for programming in python, or is it all done in the command line?06:47
EightBiti wanna know what to burn first06:47
Agrajagyou downloaded two iso files, right?06:47
MadpilotEightBit: you need to burn the whole ISO - either LiveCD or Install - to your CD06:47
OompaOr one.06:47
tritiumhosler, also, you can install python-doc, and it'll have a nice tutorial as well06:47
emXhosler: python (like other languages) can be written in plain text files.06:47
Agrajaghe said both06:47
The_Voxhosler: I *think* Eclips has a python module06:48
OrbordeMy Ubuntu is no longer seeing my Windows shares or computers. The network is up and ping, etc. work, but I can't access the shares or even see the computers under Samba.06:48
tritiumEightBit, you only need the install CD if you want to install it.06:48
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EightBiti am confused06:48
AgrajagEightBit: what exactly did you download?06:49
The_VoxOrborde: are smbd and nmbd running on your linux box?06:49
OrbordeThe_Vox: How do I find out?06:49
The_VoxOrborde: open a terminal, type "ps ax | grep mbd" and tell me what it spits out06:49
hoslertritium: I have diveintopython allready installed on my computer but its not on my meny. What should I open it with?06:49
OrbordeThe_Vox: Not to sound too stupid, but it worked yesterday.06:49
EightBitwait a second06:49
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EightBitdo I oput what's inside the .rar thing onto a cd?06:50
Agrajag.rar thing?06:50
The_VoxEightBit: rar??06:50
emXThe_Vox: eclipse does have a python module, called pydev06:50
FlannelKingEightBit, it should be an .iso, not a .rar06:50
Agrajagubuntu doesn't come in a rar file06:50
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EightBitit's called .iso06:50
tritiumhosler, you should be able to view it from the help system (yelp)06:50
Agrajagthen it's an iso06:50
The_VoxemX: figures...the Eclipse dudes want to have a module for everything under the sun :)06:50
EightBitit opens in winrar06:50
Agrajagnot a rar06:50
FlannelKingEightBit, you need to open it via burning software06:50
Agrajagignore that, you don't use winrar for this06:50
Madpilotwinrar has some odd ideas about what it should be opening...06:50
OrbordeThe_Vox: 7151 pts/0  R+  0:00 grep mpd, which I assume is grep itself.06:50
The_Voxmaddy_: amen06:50
EightBiti will host a picture06:51
The_VoxOrborde: that was it?06:51
FlannelKingsay winrar can open isos, thats it, dont worry abou tthat, open your burning software and open it that way06:51
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emXvim uses me for everything...06:51
OrbordeThe_Vox: Yes.06:51
Agrajagwe don't need a picture, you just need burning software06:51
The_Voxrobotgeek: I use emacs for everything :P06:51
FlannelKingEightBit, what do you use to brun CDs?06:51
AgrajagDo you have nero?06:51
Agrajagor something similar?06:51
robotgeekThe_Vox: so u are actually dual booting ?06:51
The_VoxOrborde: type this now: sudo /etc/init.d/samba start06:52
EightBitto be honest06:52
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MadpilotEightBit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto06:52
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EightBitI never burn Cd's06:52
srihi folks06:52
EightBitbut i have the hardware to do so06:52
emXhi, sri06:52
The_Voxrobotgeek: lol! no, it's vm'ing...the kernel.el module isn't ready yet ;)06:52
FlannelKingAlright, do you have an OEM computer?06:52
srianybody know when the split up of xbase-clients will be out?06:52
robotgeekThe_Vox: :)06:52
AgrajagDid your CD burner come with software?06:52
srihiya emX06:52
EightBitit DID06:52
EightBitbut I had a bad format06:52
FlannelKingEightBit, if you put a blank CD in the CDrom, what comes up?06:53
EightBita bunch of options06:53
Agrajaghm, there's some free burning software out there for windows, but damned if I can remember what it's called06:53
Oompawhat's the kernal version I am useing if I just downloaded ubuntu tuday?06:53
FlannelKingEightBit, you'll get the windows options, what software is in there?06:53
EightBitlike what I want to install06:53
OrbordeThe_Vox: command not found06:53
EightBiti mean burn06:53
The_VoxOrborde: uhm...try sudo /etc/init.d/smb start06:53
EightBitthose are the files that came up06:53
nickrudOompa, uname -r  tells you your running kernel, 2.6.10-5-386 for me06:54
robotgeekwho was trying to use the Dell Tru Mobile 1300 wireless card?06:54
The_VoxEightBit: you want to burn the ISO itself06:54
OrbordeThe_Vox: command not found06:54
EightBitnot the files?06:54
MadpilotEightBit: see the URL I posted above, it's got Windows instructions for you06:54
emXrobotgeek: ICXCNIKA, gone now06:54
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FlannelKingEightBit, put a blank CD into the CDrom, and tell us what options come up in the windows option thingy06:54
Oompanickrud: uname : command now found06:54
robotgeeki found what he needed :)06:54
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=== Razor-X is wondering how many people in this channel use `info'
robotgeek!info info06:55
ubotuinfo: (Standalone GNU Info documentation browser), section doc, is important. Version: 4.7-2.2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 175 kB, Installed size: 344 kB06:55
nickrudOompa, that's hard to believe, check your spelling: 'uname -r'06:55
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Razor-Xrobotgeek: i'm assuming you knew what it was before you asked ubotu about it?06:55
The_VoxOrborde: uhm...hold on...you don't have samba server stuff installed, but you were looking at shares and all yesterday, right?06:55
Oompanickrud: oops extra n. Thanks :)06:55
robotgeekRazor-X: which info did u mean though?06:55
IcemanV9is it possible to create gui program by using REXX?06:55
nickrudRazor-X, I look at it now and then, it's usually the man page06:56
robotgeekRazor-X: i've never used the bash info, only man06:56
Razor-Xrobotgeek: info is a form of documentation, more verbose than a man page06:56
Razor-Xnickrud: yeah06:56
Razor-XI don't browse info that often, even if it is the emacs documentation of choice06:56
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Razor-Xseems there's a bloody wealth of stuff here though....06:56
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The_Voxrobotgeek: see? you are a persecuted minority now :P06:57
Razor-Xrobotgeek: as far as I can gather, i'm probably about one of the 2 or 3 users here of emacs06:57
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The_VoxRazor-X: add me to the count :)06:57
Razor-XThe_Vox: you're one ;)06:57
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tritiumRazor-X, is bloody wealth similar to blood money?06:57
nickrudnooo, not again06:57
OrbordeThe_Vox: Yes, I did have shares yesterday. I have no idea about the Samba. Perhaps I should reinstall the package?06:57
The_VoxRazor-X: lol!06:57
robotgeekvi/vim users, shout!06:57
The_VoxOrborde: no, let's go from the fact that you had it working....are you on gnome or kde?06:58
EightBitokay, I downloaded the stuff of the site06:58
Razor-Xtritium: no, basically `lots of stuff in here'06:58
nekohayohey there, could someone tell me if it is planned as a major goal to remove OSS/ESD/whatever and JUST keep an ALSA that works in the final breezy or something?06:58
tritiumRazor-X, I know, just joking ;)06:58
EightBitwhenever i click it06:58
EightBita bunch of files open up in WinRAR06:58
FlannelKingEightBit, you need to stop clicking it.06:58
The_Voxnekohayo: I hope not...ALSA sucks with my sound card06:58
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Razor-XEightBit: unrar-nonfree works better than unrar06:58
FlannelKingEightBit, Insert a blank CD into your CDR, and tell us what programs it gives you as options06:58
Razor-Xbut, I wouldn't suggest it unless you actually _need_ it06:59
MadpilotRazor-X: I'm pretty sure he's still in Windoze06:59
The_VoxRazor-X: he's on windows06:59
nekohayoThe_Vox, don't know, but I hate to have three daemons running that collide with each other06:59
Razor-Xahhh, ok06:59
FlannelKingRazor-X, he hasnt gotten that far yet ;)06:59
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OrbordeThe_Vox: Gnome...well, I think so...yes, it's Gnome.06:59
The_Voxnekohayo: OSS and ALSA aren't daemons :)06:59
nekohayowhat's more, no way to get skype to get sound06:59
EightBiti am a n00b06:59
robotgeeki dunno even if i am using alsa/oss, i have both modules loaded (altast the alsa emulation)06:59
Razor-Xwhat's his problem?06:59
nekohayosound servers then?06:59
EightBitit says06:59
nekohayowhat's the term?06:59
EightBitno programs06:59
EightBitshows me the file for the CD06:59
Agrajaghe's just clicking on it in windows because when the only tool you've used is a hammer, everything looks like a nail06:59
FlannelKingWhat file for the CD?06:59
Razor-Xnekohayo: well, it seems some UNIX users still love the local client-server concept06:59
EightBitand when you put files on it06:59
EightBityou burn it to it06:59
FlannelKingas in, the folder?06:59
robotgeeki meant oss emulation06:59
EightBitthe folder, I mean06:59
Razor-XI could care less, in sound anyways, ALSA works fine06:59
OrbordeThe_Vox: According to Synaptic I have samba-common and smbclient installed, but not samba.07:00
The_VoxOrborde: ok, now you are in stuff I've never used lol! But I assume (damn, I hate to do that) that you should be able to type something in the nautilus addy bar that should show you the shares07:00
Agrajagyou don't want a folder, just the file you downloaded07:00
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The_VoxOrborde: that makes sense07:00
Razor-X'cept aRts has better support for simeltaneous sounds07:00
EightBitis the whole thing just one file?07:00
Agrajagdon't extract the files07:00
Agrajagyou burn it as an iso file straight to a CD07:00
robotgeekEightBit: what cd burning program do u have?07:00
nekohayowell usually, I want ONE thing controlling my system T_T actually the choice should be given at install time maybe07:00
The_VoxOrborde: do you know what the IP of each of your boxes is?07:00
EightBitdon't have one07:00
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Razor-XEightBit: an ISO is a file that contains all the files of a CD, coupled with extra information (such as boot-sector info)07:01
OrbordeThe_Vox: Yes. I assigned them statically just so I'd know.07:01
LeeColletonI have a broadcom BCM4301 card that I have heard works with Ubuntu.  Which drivers do I need to probe?07:01
MadpilotEightBit: there's a link to a freeware Windows burner prog on the URL I posted07:01
robotgeekEightBit: do u have a burner?07:01
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nickrudnekohayo, if your sound card cannot handle multiple sound sources, you could try the following link07:01
Razor-Xyou shouldn't extract files from an ISO, because it contains extra information07:01
konkianyone knows how i can install the firefox extensions "torrentbar" also others... the the extension website always take me to upgrade to firefox 1.0.5... this makes the website sucky07:01
ubotusound is probably http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3206307:01
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EightBiti will put the .iso07:01
Razor-Xand you shouldn't burn the ISO itself as a file straight to the CD, because that defeats the point of a file that describes the CD07:01
EightBiton the CD07:01
The_VoxOrborde: ok, type this in a terminal: smbclient -L ip.of.remote.box07:01
ICXCNIKAWell it won't detect my modem.07:02
The_VoxOrborde: tell me what it spits out07:02
Razor-Xso, most burners out there allow you to burn CD images07:02
EightBitjust as an archive?07:02
robotgeekICXCNIKA: your wireless card works with ndiswrapper07:02
EightBitcan i have that link again?07:02
FlannelKingEightBit, do you have SP2 installed?07:02
EightBiti am pretty sure I do07:02
LeeColletonI think that the Broadcom BCM4301 card works somehow with the adm8211 driver, but I have loaded this and no joy07:02
konkii already have firefox 1.0.4 installed thru apt...07:02
EightBityeah, I have to07:02
FlannelKingEightBit, DONT just copy the iso to the cD, it wont work.07:02
AgrajagEightBit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto07:02
EightBitthanks a ton07:02
Razor-Xyou can use Burn-at-once (a CDRDAO frontend) to burn ISOs07:02
ICXCNIKAYes robotgeek. I am aware of that. However, I cannot operate my dial-up modem...which is the only mode of internet access available to me at this time.07:03
Razor-XICXCNIKA: is it a winmodem?07:03
ICXCNIKAIt's conexant. So yes, I believe it is.07:03
ogahey all... i'm using a long cord for my LAN and in windows the only way to get connectivity is to force the speed to 10mb/s at half duplex but i dont know how to do this with linux07:03
ICXCNIKAI tried to autodetect the Modem port. No luck.07:03
Razor-Xhave you googled about linux compatibility/drivers?07:03
OrbordeThe_Vox: Three lines; all are "session request failed" to, 27, and *SMBSERVER, respectively, and all three end with (Called name not present)07:03
OompaCan anyone help me mount a hard drive?07:04
OompaI am really confused.07:04
Razor-Xoga: why do you need to force a speed?07:04
EightBitis unbuntu better than redhat?07:04
ICXCNIKAYes. I can't seem to find a driver to download or to make sense from it.07:04
nekohayothanks ppl07:04
Razor-Xhow can you force a speed that isn't physically possible??07:04
robotgeekEightBit: definetly07:04
Razor-XEightBit: in my opinion, leagues beyond leagues07:04
ogaas opposed to autonegotiate speed07:04
tritiumIt's possible07:04
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EightBitI had some redhat boot disks07:04
EightBitbut they didn't work07:04
The_VoxOrborde: uhm...ugly. Ok, time to play hardball...use synaptic or whatever tool of choice and install samba07:04
Razor-Xoga: ahhh, I see07:04
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Toastaquick question... if i remove the install cd from synaptics list of sources will it get all nessacary files from online repository?07:05
FlannelKingyes Toasta07:05
Razor-Xwhat's the gist of the LAN setup?07:05
LeeColletonmy friend has the exact same broadcom card working with Ubuntu but it doesn't work with my system, even with the adm8211 module loaded.  Grr!07:05
Toastasweet, thanks07:05
FlannelKingToasta, well, provided you have them enabled07:05
Razor-XToasta: yeahp07:05
OrbordeThe_Vox: Yay! Overkill!"07:05
ogathe reason is.... who knows.... but i know that fixes it in windows07:05
EightBitdoes redhat cost $$$?07:05
ogajust lappy to router07:05
Toastahave what enabled07:05
Razor-XEightBit: yes07:05
tritiumoga, possibly a module parameter.  which NIC do you haev?07:05
ogabut this happens with pc also with this cable07:05
robotgeekBroadcom sucks!07:05
EightBiti thought linux was open source?07:05
The_VoxOrborde: hehehe overkill works every time...specially when I have never used nautilus and have no clue how to fix it lol!07:05
Razor-XFedora (a free fork) doesen't, though07:05
bojanglesEightBit, you bet....lots and lots of them07:05
Agrajagopen source doesn't mean free of charge07:05
bojanglesEightBit, they are nearly as expensive as MS07:05
LeeColletonBroadcom is the suxx0rz07:05
Razor-XEightBit: here's something to remember for all of eternity, branded in your brain Open Sources ~= free07:06
Toastaand how do you enable them?07:06
nickrud!tell Toasta about repositories07:06
Razor-Xremember that, remember it well07:06
tritiumoga, Network Interface Card07:06
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LeeColletontoo bad I already bought a card07:06
Razor-Xoga: Network Interface Card07:06
EightBiti saw redhat at fryes07:06
FlannelKingRazor-X, you mean Open Source != free?07:06
EightBitconsidered buying it07:06
Razor-Xerrr, yeah, sorry07:06
Razor-XI was gonna use \noteq07:06
robotgeekluckily, I am not using Broadcom, Intel guys have ndiswrapper07:06
Razor-Xbut, not many people here LaTeX07:06
OrbordeThe_Vox: I'm not sure this machine even has Nautilus.07:06
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bojanglesRazor-X, he is right...there is nothing free about opensource....stick with gpl07:06
Agrajagred hat is only worth buying for a corporation that needs the tech support07:06
The_VoxOrborde: if you have gnome, you have nautilus...it's the file manager thingy that gnome uses07:07
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Agrajagbojangles: huh, gpl doesn't mean free either07:07
Razor-Xbojangles: hmmm?07:07
Toastathanks nickrud07:07
EightBiti am gonna burn the .iso07:07
AgrajagYou can charge all you want for GPL software07:07
bojanglesAgrajag, yes the gpl is the only license that truly frees the code07:07
EightBitthanks for all the help, guys07:07
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Razor-XGNU GPL is an Open-Source license07:07
Razor-Xdoesen't mean free07:07
Agrajagyou can slap GNU Emacs on a CD and charge $100 for it07:07
LeeColletonFuck me sideways, does noone have a Broadcom BCM4301 card?07:07
nickrudToasta, np, ubotu knows <almost> all :)07:07
Agrajagtotally legal07:07
The_VoxLeeColleton: not me07:07
Razor-Xexactly ;)07:07
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Toastaalmost huh07:07
Agrajagas long as you provide the source code07:07
ogawith the nic what is the best way to find out07:07
robotgeekAgrajag: though i dunno any gpl'ed frograms which are not free==0$07:08
LeeColletonthanks The_Vox, that makes me feel better07:08
bojanglesRazor-X, that is just a bunch of confusion spread by the open source initiative.....they include gpl to diminish its importance and distinction07:08
Razor-XLeeColleton: i'll bet many people on google do07:08
ColonelKernelIm trying to make and install the latest stable kenrel from kernel.org, however after I install it a lot of things work very strangley07:08
Razor-Xbojangles: have you read through the GNU GPL?07:08
EightBitwait a second, is it a level 1 or 2 .iso?07:08
bojanglesRazor-X, the gpl is the only license that frees the code07:08
OrbordeThe_Vox: Well, it's installed, and it still isn't showing the shares in Nautilus.07:08
LeeColletonRazor-X: hooray for google07:08
ColonelKernelim gonna try make oldconfig07:08
Razor-XEightBit: it matters?07:08
FlannelKingbojangles, no it's not.  You can charge for it, but you also have to provide the source.07:08
robotgeekGPL is the roxors!07:08
Agrajagrobotgeek: Red Hat Linux was just brought up, and began this whole conversation. It's GPL, but not free07:08
The_VoxOrborde: need to configure it first :)07:08
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nickrudColonelKernel, the ubuntu kernel has some patches that the vanilla kernel does not07:09
robotgeekAgrajag: true07:09
OrbordeThe_Vox: Okay...how?07:09
The_VoxOrborde: grab your favourite editor and open /etc/samba/smb.conf and edit the workgroup and save the file.07:09
bojanglesFlannelKing, you can TRY....repeat TRY....but GPL requires UNRESTRICTED redistribition07:09
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Razor-XI'm proud to say, i've read all the licenses (except the damned numerous M$ ones) of the software I use07:09
Razor-Xthe dirty legal code ;)07:09
Agrajagbojangles: yes, so anyone you sell the CD to can copy it and give it away07:09
ColonelKernelnickrud, yeah ive noticed that - I dont know how happy I am about that, I think that may be my only complaint about ubuntu07:09
ogai know it works with short lead but not the long... eth0 is the name but how do i get the NIC?07:09
The_VoxRazor-X: that explains a lot lol!07:09
bojanglesFlannelKing, this forces excess supply until the marginal cost goes to zero for anyone07:09
Agrajagbut that doesn't stop you from selling Emacs for $100 to anyone who will pay for it07:09
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tritiumoga, you can't use too long a cable.  Can you just buy a short one?07:09
EightBityay, I am writing the disk07:09
bojanglesAgrajag, absolutely07:10
nickrudColonelKernel, the patches are the reason I use ubuntu/debian, personally07:10
bojanglesAgrajag, that is the point of the GPL07:10
The_VoxAgrajag: actually, RMS sells it for 150...200 for gcc, IIRC07:10
ogabig house... no wifi for a while yet07:10
Agrajagwow really?07:10
bojanglesit is the only license that truly frees the code07:10
robotgeekthough, what prevents ppl from selling redhat with the sources for about say 50$?07:10
AgrajagDoes he sign the media or anything07:10
The_VoxAgrajag: sure, you can buy it at the fsf.org site07:10
LeeColletontech support?  help?07:10
Razor-X"You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee."07:10
Razor-Xit pays to read ;)07:10
nickrudColonelKernel, try starting from linux-source-2.6.1007:10
bojanglesrobotgeek, redhat is not gpl...they are opensource plus they include some proprietary stuff....so you cannot redistribute it07:10
The_Voxrobotgeek: the copyright/trademark on the name...that's what CentOS is all about07:11
ColonelKernelnickrud, im hoping thats the patched ubuntu kernel code07:11
robotgeekdamn this *redhat*07:11
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nickrudColonelKernel, yes, it is07:11
robotgeeki am sticking to ubuntu/debian07:11
ColonelKernelnickrud, I can live with that then07:11
Razor-Xthe cost for CD transferring/warranty can be $5007:11
bojanglesrobotgeek, they can sue your but off if you try to redistribute thier CDs....they are opensource at best not gpl07:11
robotgeekif it ain't free, it ain't linux!07:11
Razor-Xit's up to the distributor for that07:11
OrbordeThe_Vox: Okay, I'm at smb.conf and staring cluelessly.07:11
Agrajagdamn them, why? They have a working business model using GNU/Linux, what's wrong with that?07:11
Computer__Guruxchat is kinda nice, eh07:11
Razor-Xrobotgeek: Linux is a kernel ;)07:11
ColonelKernelrobotgeek, if you want to use redhat just use centos07:11
nickrudColonelKernel, apt-cache search linux-source in a terminal will get you going07:12
ColonelKernelits the best rhel clone out there, I personally think its a superior product to RHEL07:12
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robotgeekRazor-X,ColonelKernel : in love with the apt-get goodness!07:12
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Razor-XGNU is the actual OS, of which there exists multiple distros07:12
The_VoxOrborde: there should be a line that starts with WORKGROUP07:12
ColonelKernelnickrud, got that already, just hadnt make my custom kernel for this yet07:12
Haroldnalioth_zZz: Sleeping, huh?07:12
The_VoxOrborde: find it and change the part after the = to whatever workgroup your windows boxes use07:12
Razor-Xusing different kernels07:13
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(Harold/#ubuntu) Razor-X: Dedicated?07:13
(robotgeek/#ubuntu) see, the only machine i have is a ppc. most of rh clones would not install. except ydl, and fc maybe07:13
(Razor-X/#ubuntu) from whence have you come from?!07:13
(Razor-X/#ubuntu) Harold: he's not active in the channel, why page him?07:13
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(vladuz/#ubuntu) Razor-X: yes07:13
(Razor-X/#ubuntu) dselect is highly deprecated07:13
(The_Vox/#ubuntu) Orborde: ok, cool, then close the file and now do "sudo /etc/init.d/samba start"...if it gives you a command not found, try with smb instead of samba...or smbd07:13
(Razor-X/#ubuntu) it's ancient ancient stuff07:13
(The_Vox/#ubuntu) Orborde: one of those 3 has to work lol!07:13
(nickrud/#ubuntu) vladuz, /usr/share/doc/aptitude/doc/README is a good start07:13
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nickrudvladuz, /usr/share/doc/aptitude//README is a good start07:14
vladuzRazor-X: so what do you  suggest instaead07:14
HaroldRazor-X: nalioth was my first contact here; I guess I contact him out of habit.07:14
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Haroldrobotgeek: Are you on PPC?07:14
Computer__Gurutoo bad you cant set the userlist to transparent07:14
nickrudI cannot even correct typos :)07:14
Razor-Xvladuz: first of all, dselect is old as _hell_, use aptitude07:14
OrbordeThe_Vox: How about just "smbd stop" and "smbd start" ?07:14
robotgeekHarold: a powerbook g4 50007:14
Razor-XHarold: heh, well, ask the channel away07:14
EightBiti burned it07:14
EightBitnow what?07:14
Razor-Xor, if you're a member of the NUN, you know what to do07:14
Haroldrobotgeek: Any problems installing/using Ubuntu?07:14
Agrajagwhich one, the live CD?07:14
Agrajagor the installer?07:15
Razor-XEightBit: Live CD or Install CD?07:15
EightBitlemme see07:15
ubotuextra, extra, read all about it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin.07:15
robotgeekHarold: not really, i have problems with display out07:15
OrbordeThe_Vox: Result is that the Linux machine now appears in the network browser on the Linux box, but not the Windoze box. And the Linux box still can't see the Windoze one.07:15
The_VoxOrborde: uhm...I'm not familiar with the ubuntu package, so I can't bet that'll work...what I gave you should work, tho. (I've only been using ubuntu for a bit over a week :)07:15
robotgeekHarold: and java, and flash07:15
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(Harold/#ubuntu) robotgeek: Yikes. Wish I knew something about that.07:15
(The_Vox/#ubuntu) Orborde: ok, in the terminal now try "smbclient -L localhost" and tell me what it spits out07:15
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) You should probably burn the Live CD too, and try that out first.07:16
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(Razor-X/#ubuntu) EightBit: then, insert the CD in the drive, shutdown the computer, and restart ;)07:16
(Razor-X/#ubuntu) Agrajag: no point wasting CDs07:16
(Razor-X/#ubuntu) I myself have only 2 :(07:16
(robotgeek/#ubuntu) Harold: but other than that, everything works fine. occasional hiccup with recovering from sleep07:16
(robotgeek/#ubuntu) Harold: what do u use?07:16
Razor-Xand i've asked this before -- anyone here use Das Keyboard?07:16
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nickrudRazor-X, talk to someone about getting an income ;)07:16
ColonelKernelhow can I control which modules are loaded when I boot - my build is loading a lot of them07:16
HaroldEveryone: This is my second time seeing that message about Java installation on the wiki.  What's the big deal about having java?  (Just curious.)07:16
AgrajagRazor-X: a new user shouldn't necessarily dive in lie that-- what if he hasn't partitioned yet, and manages to wipe windows?07:16
EightBitlater guys07:16
EightBitthanks for the help07:17
Haroldrobotgeek: PowerBook G3 233MHz07:17
Razor-X(note the intentional lack of `the')07:17
The_VoxRazor-X: never even heard of that one...and I'm a fan of weird kboards :)07:17
Razor-XAgrajag: ahhh, true that07:17
Razor-XThe_Vox: o_O07:17
Razor-Xyou have an HHKL2?07:17
Razor-Xnickrud: income... hmmm07:17
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Razor-Xsomething I won't worry about for a good... many years now07:17
nickrudRazor-X, the day will com07:17
Haroldrobotgeek: I just finished installing Ubuntu about a week or two ago, and finally got a wireless card to work under the madwifi driver.07:17
robotgeeksun doesn't provide jvm for linux ppc, gotta get from IBM07:17
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Razor-XI have saved up money though, lunch money ;)07:17
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OrbordeThe_Vox: Holy cow. The Windows machine doesn't appear in the server list by name, but I went Places->Connect to Server, punched in the IP and selected Windows Share as the service, and Boom! Access.07:17
FlannelKingEightBit, you might want to install the liveCD and try it first, the $.20 cd is worth the non-risk, if youre installing on your only computer07:17
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robotgeekHarold: nice07:18
nickrudhah, hah07:18
AgrajagI got lucky with wireless, I have a cisco card 8)07:18
Haroldrobotgeek: Oh, because it's not open source?07:18
The_VoxRazor-X: nop...a Logitech-for-PS/2 gamingkboard...it's the smallest kboard I've ever been able to find :) The HHKL2 is expensive for a poor furreiner like me :)07:18
axissomething wroing with the repositories07:18
axisi can't seem to access kubuntu-desktop07:18
Razor-Xfor a semester, and some more money from my schoo `services' and some debts my parents owe, and I have $10007:18
The_VoxOrborde: that's what the overkill will give you <chuckle> :)07:18
Razor-XThe_Vox: heh07:18
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robotgeekHarold: nah, sun doesn't have a version. they do have something for the x86 platform07:18
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Razor-Xgoogle Das Keyboard07:18
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The_VoxRazor-X: I've used an HHKL2 for a couple of weeks...friend ordered one, had it sent to my house...got to use it for a bit over 2 weeks...pretty sweet kboard :)07:19
Haroldrobotgeek: So someone just recently got java working on Linux?07:19
OrbordeThe_Vox: Result of smbclient -L localhost: It asked for a password. Just a password. What password? I don't know, so I punched in my Linux user password. Result: session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE07:19
Razor-XThe_Vox: I hear Das is even better ;)07:19
The_VoxRazor-X: that thing is *HUGE*!07:19
The_VoxOrborde: hit enter at the password prompt :)07:19
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robotgeekHarold: i dont think so...there are only two versions, gcj and the ibm...both suck!07:19
Razor-XThe_Vox: it's a normal sized 101 key keyboard07:19
OrbordeThe_Vox: w00t. That worked. Spat out a lot of stuff.07:19
Razor-Xonly, it's weighted07:20
Razor-Xmmmmmm... weighted.....07:20
robotgeekRazor-X: is Das the keyboard featured on slashdot07:20
Haroldrobotgeek: Do you know anything about programming?07:20
OrbordeThe_Vox: What am I looking for?07:20
robotgeekHarold: a bit07:20
Razor-Xrobotgeek: not sure07:20
Haroldrobotgeek: In your opinion, is it more beneficial to learn C or Java?07:20
FlannelKingHarold, C07:20
Razor-XI either buy Das, HHKL2, a Sansa Sandisk 512 MP3 Player, or blow all of my money on Knife of Dreams leatherbound ;)07:20
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HaroldFlannelKing: Why, perchance?07:21
FlannelKingHarold, actually, learn C++07:21
The_VoxRazor-X: my kboard is this one: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2282,CONTENTID=663607:21
axisany\one else having problems upgrading to kubuntu07:21
Razor-Xthe only leatherbound book i'ld have, but worth it if Jordan continues his proglogue-style writing throughout the novel07:21
nickrudC, although I haven't programmed in a long time.07:21
axisfrom apt07:21
robotgeekHarold: C, C++07:21
HaroldFlannelKing: I'm still going to have to learn C in order to learn C++, aren't I?07:21
Razor-XThe_Vox: I use a trackball, meself07:21
The_VoxOrborde: any answer usually means "it's working" unless it's a "can't find a thing" answer :)07:21
robotgeekyou can then pretty much pick up everything else07:21
Razor-XHarold: no, you're not07:21
FlannelKingHarold, No, C++ is not a superset of C++07:21
Razor-XI learned the latter without the former07:21
FlannelKingHarold, erm, C07:21
OrbordeThe_Vox: But it still fails to find the Windows machine.07:21
Razor-Xand I hate the former now too ;)07:21
nickrudSomething that has survived for over 30 years, is worth knowing07:21
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axiswell obviously kubuntu isn't going to last07:22
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Razor-Xbut, if you insist on learning C, try Obj C07:22
FlannelKingHarold, learn c++, skip C, if you konw C++ you can program C with only a few tweaks, and learing C++ will teach you all the basics of programming Java07:22
EightBitthat did not work07:22
tritiumaxis, why?07:22
HaroldFlannelKing, Razor-X : Is there another language I should be learning before C even?07:22
FlannelKingHarold, C++07:22
robotgeekno Lisp fans here?07:22
Razor-XHarold: don't try C if you want C++07:22
nickrudno :)07:22
Razor-Xrobotgeek: i'm learning emacs-lisp now ;)07:22
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axistritium, : i'm having problems apt-get kubuntu-desktop07:22
FlannelKingHarold, the first thing C++ people will do is try and unteach you C07:22
The_VoxRazor-X: my kboard is about...7.5 inches long, by 3.5 inches wide, by 3/4" thick....it's *small*07:22
tritiumaxis, "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"?07:22
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Razor-XHarold: I myself started out with QBasic at 11, but that's worth almost nothing now, save nice, easy to make games07:23
Sponge_I downloaded realtime-lsm and the module-assistant. Now, I want this thing working. What do I have to do now?07:23
The_VoxOrborde: still fails? didn't you say you were able to connect to it already?07:23
Razor-XThe_Vox: are you a Dvorak user?07:23
vladuzRazor-X: where are those docs again, please?07:23
EightBitwindows just came up blank07:23
Haroldrobotgeek, FlannelKing : Dang, really?  I have this "Teaching Yourself C" book in my hand right now.07:23
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axistritium: E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop07:23
The_VoxRazor-X: yes...been one for...uhm....9 years or so07:23
MadpilotEightBit: thought you were loading the LiveCD?07:23
axistritium: which repository is it.. i've uncommented them all07:23
HaroldRazor-X: Is QBasic a high-level language?07:23
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EightBitthe install07:23
Razor-XThe_Vox: nice, so you can attest to it's usefulness?07:24
Razor-XHarold: not at all07:24
tritiumaxis, it's in the main repo07:24
Razor-Xthat's why it's so useless07:24
OrbordeThe_Vox: I got a connection to the share by punching in the IP directly, but it still fails to appear in the network browser. A minor point, I suppose.07:24
tritiumaxis, have you done a "sudo apt-get update" first07:24
axistritium: and i've upgraded/updated dist07:24
Razor-Xgo with C++ or C#07:24
FlannelKingHarold, yeah, take a look... here: http://relisoft.com/book/index.htm, free, online, quality, C++ book07:24
tritiumaxis, doesn't sound right....07:24
Razor-XI know C# is a M$ language, but I like it meself07:24
AgrajagI told you to try the liveCD first... So what do you mean by "windows came up blank"?07:24
EightBitnot blank07:24
FlannelKingDont Touch C#07:24
EightBitnothing else happened07:24
axistritium, : can you spit me the repository link.. main link?07:24
EightBitit just loaded as usual07:24
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EightBiti will try the live07:24
nickrudaxis, and I speak from excuciating experience, there is something wrong with /etc/apt/sources.list07:25
HaroldRazor-X: I think high-level languages are ones you don't need to know much about programming to begin.  Low-level ones are like assembly language, I believe.  C is middle-level.07:25
The_VoxRazor-X: I changed to dvorak a month before my already-scheduled wrist surgery for RSD...cancelled the surgery 3 days before it happened...been happy ever since07:25
axistritium, : i didn't have my network instaled at boot time07:25
AgrajagYou put the CD in and rebooted, and windows came up?07:25
FlannelKingEightBit, do you have the cdrom installed earlier than the HD in the boot order?07:25
Agrajagburn the livecd07:25
Agrajagyou don't want to install a new OS yet.07:25
Razor-XHarold: then, you'll be mighty confused when reading books ;)07:25
axisnickrud: i had a bad feeling about that07:25
The_VoxOrborde: on the network browser thing, I can't help...as I said, I've never used nautilus, so I have no clue at all about how to make it work07:25
EightBitwhat do you mean boot order?07:25
GattonThe_Vox, how long did it take you go get up to speed with Dvorak?07:25
FlannelKingHarold, C is still pretty low level07:25
Razor-XThe_Vox: I learned Dvorak only to increase my speed07:25
tritiumaxis, there must be something wrong with your sources.list07:25
Razor-Xworth it, a 30 WPM increase ;)07:25
AgrajagNext time you reboot, hit DEL to go into your bios setup, and change the boot order so your CD boots before the hard drive07:25
axistritium, : where can i obtain an official copy?07:26
FlannelKingEightBit, but burn the liveCD first07:26
Razor-Xonly side effect, more wrist strain (I never touch-typed previously, but still did a nice speed pseudo-touchtyping)07:26
nickrudaxis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExampleConffiles, use the better organized version07:26
The_VoxGatton: a week to get usable speeds, 3 weeks to be as fast as I was on qwerty, a month and a half and I was 20WPM faster than on qwerty07:26
tritiumthanks, nickrud07:26
Razor-Xthat's why I switched to a trackball, mice hurt my hands a plenty07:26
EightBitI am burning it07:26
robotgeekthe thinking in c++ book by Eckel is also good07:26
FlannelKingActually, the Dvorak/Qwerty difference is mythological as well07:26
HaroldFlannelKing, Razor-X: So if I went ahead and learned C, would it be a good foundation for what I'll need to learn with C++?07:26
Razor-Xand now, if I point-and-click too much, my hand cramps, too much keyboard/CLI usage07:26
FlannelKingHarold, it will be a detrement to you learning C++07:26
GattonThe_Vox, good to know. I have been wanting to switch over but am not looking forward to the transition period :)07:27
The_VoxRazor-X: that's the one change I've never been able to make...trackballs just drive me crazy07:27
Razor-XFlannelKing: then clearly explain why QWERTY the keys themselves are an advantage?07:27
robotgeekI try to avoid the mouse. i try to stick to one, either the keyboard/mouse07:27
nickrudI cannot believe that someone had that same problem :)07:27
OrbordeThe_Vox: Okay. Well, I have most of what I want. For some reason, though, I can't write to the share folder.07:27
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FlannelKingHarold, you're better off learning c++, which will teach you basically everything you need for C programming07:27
hyphenatedHarold: C and C++ are about as similar as Java and Javascript07:27
HaroldFlannelKing: Okay, thank you for your advice.07:27
Razor-Xhyphenated: that's a bad example07:27
hyphenatedHarold: which is to say.. not much07:27
Razor-XHarold: that's his decision07:27
FlannelKinghyphenated, thats completely wrong07:27
Razor-XI suggest C++, C# isn't bad, the former I prefer07:27
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The_VoxGatton: one recommendation: DO NOT SWITCH THE KEY CAPS OF YOUR KEYBOARD until you've learned dvorak...print the kboard layout and tape it somewhere you can see it with your head up...otherwise, you'll get in the habit of looking at the kboard while typing and that'll slow you dow07:27
konkihow come ubuntu can't seem to get the numbers right??07:28
EightBithow is dvorak better?07:28
The_VoxOrborde: that's a permissions problem, needs to be fixed on the windows side07:28
Razor-XThe_Vox: I never had the luxury of either, a la my dad07:28
The_VoxEightBit: better distribution of the keys07:28
tritiumkonki, meaning?07:28
EightBiti tried it the other day07:28
EightBitvery confusing the first time07:28
OrbordeThe_Vox: Except that I set it to "full permissions" pending a password.07:28
hyphenatedFlannelKing: there's a similar name, and some similar syntax, but that's about it07:28
FlannelKingRazor-X, I never said they were an advantage, but theyre both about the same, there is no speed increase for one or the other, especially if youre coding07:28
Razor-XEightBit: it's better adapted to the English alphabet07:28
HaroldRazor-X, FlannelKing, hyphenated : I guess I'll have to get another book, then.  I *do* have a Java book now, though.07:29
Razor-XFlannelKing: don't use the `coding' excuse, switching a few keys help coding enough07:29
ColonelKernelcan I turn hotplug off?07:29
FlannelKingHarold, try that web book07:29
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Razor-XHarold: Java is pure crap07:29
nickrudColonelKernel, no not ever07:29
The_VoxOrborde: uhm...ok, let's try the windows way of fixing this...reboot the stupid windows box07:29
Razor-Xone of the few times i'll denounce a language, it's crap07:29
HaroldFlannelKing: What's the URL again, please?07:29
FlannelKingRazor-X, like I said, there is no difference in touch typers speed, they both are about the same07:29
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FlannelKingHarold, http://relisoft.com/book/index.htm07:29
ColonelKernelnickrud, why the hell not07:29
Razor-Xit's Garbage-Cleaning routines are.... garbage07:29
Razor-XFlannelKing: the fastest typist in the world uses Dvorak07:29
konkitritium, well firefox released 1.0.4 that time we had 1.0.2.. now 1.0.5 is released... and i updated lastnight, and its 1.0.4... who does the math here???07:29
Razor-XI myself increased speed with it07:29
robotgeekpython is so nice!07:29
FlannelKingRazor-X, Thats marketing, pure marketing07:30
Razor-XFlannelKing: and the aliens are trying to take over the media07:30
The_Voxkonki: not me :) That's why I install firefox with the installer instead of using a package07:30
axisnickrud:  .. Well it's grabbing alot more now..  I hope this fixes ..  thanks for the tip,. HiP!07:30
nickrudColonelKernel, the whole device stack: udev, hal, etc depends on hotplug, which is the current module loader.07:30
tritiumkonki, oh, that07:30
bojanglesAgrajag, but anyway..yes it is unfortanate if you actually have to pay for a gpl CD.....but if you get one....you are free to make millions of copies and give them to all your friends.07:30
ColonelKernelnickrud, how do I keep so many modules from loading then?07:30
FlannelKingRazor-X, fine, let me dig up references, if you insist on being fickle07:30
robotgeekRazor-X: java sucks...(on a ppc)07:30
bojanglesAgrajag, but make sure you don't confuse gpl with opensource07:30
Razor-XDvorak helps, but only as much as your hand-eye coordination lets you07:30
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Razor-Xrobotgeek: exactly07:30
axisColonelKernel: edit /etc/modules.conf07:31
Razor-XFlannelKing: and I probably have counterreferences07:31
Agrajagwhat are you talking about07:31
Agrajaggpl is an open-source license07:31
konkiThe_Vox, now i try to get extensions and it firefox always take me to the stupid upgrade room...07:31
The_VoxFlannelKing: I went from 70WPM to 90WPM when I switched...it *may* be better typing habits (I did force myself to use a better posture while learning and so on and so forth) but I *did* see increase.07:31
ColonelKernelaxis, theres things loading that arent in that07:31
The_Voxkonki: poor you07:31
Razor-Xbojangles: GPL makes something Open-Source07:31
bojanglesAgrajag, again...that is open source way of hiding the benefits of gpl....and diminishing their importance07:31
OrbordeThe_Vox: Sadly, the Windows machine is the one I'm on now.07:31
konkipeople in mepis said their pkg has 1.0.5 why not us... i taught we are the best??07:31
nickrudColonelKernel, look over the modules you have loaded, then use /etc/hotplug/blacklist to drop the ones you don't want. Hotplug is pretty smart on my machine07:31
axisColonelKernel,  /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh07:31
bojanglesAgrajag, don't confuse the issue...either gpl or not07:31
Razor-XThe_Vox: I could do 90 on QWERTY, now I can do a nice, thrumming, 110, with a max of 12007:31
ColonelKernelnickrud, thank you07:32
AgrajagYou're confusing me07:32
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Razor-Xbojangles: what _are_ the benefits?07:32
bojanglesAgrajag, let me give you one example....suppose i say Greece is just a part of Europe07:32
ogabwa ha ha ha..... for anybody that ever wants to force their network speed to a certain speed (10mb/100mb) use mii-tool be aware that you may have to manually assign an IP07:32
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Razor-Xtritium: there's no-one really asking questions here ;)07:32
konki:( UBUNTU firefox.... praise mepis... someone fix the pkg...07:32
bojanglesAgrajag, still don't confuse Greece with Europe because Greece existed before Europe07:32
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axisnickrud: thanks alot.. fixed me good07:32
Razor-Xkonki: compile away07:32
Razor-Xbojangles: other than that?07:33
The_VoxRazor-X: I've never been that fast...wish I was :)07:33
tritiumkonki, the 1.0.2 packages actually had the 1.0.4 fixes in them07:33
Razor-Xdon't confuse BASH with SH, because SH existed before BASH? ;)07:33
nickrudaxis, I do not want to go into why I understood your problem :)07:33
AgrajagWill your next simile involve an emu, 5 ducks, and an umbrella?07:33
Razor-XThe_Vox: probably because i'm younger and my limbs are more limber07:33
tritiumkonki, 1.0.5 is buggy, and 1.0.6 will be released soon, and then those fixes will go in too07:33
robotgeektritium: why did they not put in the vendor.sub to 1.0.4?07:33
bojanglesRazor-X, well suppose you are a large corporation and you want to be able to distribute thousands of CDs for everone of your people for free07:33
ubotuFirefox on warty is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"07:33
The_VoxOrborde: uhm...I have no other clues about how to go about your problem.07:33
konkiyes it did.. but the number is different and it takes you to the same upgrade room07:33
Razor-Xbojangles: so?07:33
The_VoxRazor-X: lol! probably :)07:33
tritiumrobotgeek, not sure07:33
Razor-Xyou don't have to make it free, you can charge as well07:33
bojanglesRazor-X, and maybe even others....the gpl...not opensource gives you this right.07:33
axisnickrud: lol.. i'm curious now.. evil support staff? hehe ..  wacky.. anyways it's installing now..  .. :D07:33
tritiumkonki, see that ubotu response about firefox above07:34
Razor-Xbojangles: Open Source is a property, GPL is a license07:34
Razor-XGPL grants an intellectual property the property of Open Source07:34
bojanglesRazor-X, Open Source is a mixture of licenses....not a property07:34
konkii bet when 1.0.6 is released we will have a 1.0.5 pkg... is there some kind of disagreement with ubuntu and firefox... i love firefox i think its the best browser07:34
Razor-Xas does stuff like AFPL, and others07:34
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robotgeekalrite ppl, night!07:35
Razor-Xbojangles: read Richard Stallman's "The Free Software Movement"07:35
nickrudaxis, to give the dime store answer, I bragged, and got flagged :)07:35
EightBitokay, something happened07:35
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Razor-Xkonki: doesen't every Firefox fanboy? ;)07:35
EightBiti hit delete07:35
bojanglesRazor-X, i have read it enough...and seen enough...you read unrestricted redistribution and all that implies.07:35
EightBitand everything was blank07:35
konkiubotu, i already have 1.0.4 i want 1.0.5 just the number i know the bugs on this pkg are fixed07:35
ubotukonki: what are you talking about?07:35
axisnickrud,   Haaa!07:35
EightBitcan't I just make a partition and install it there?07:35
Agrajageverything was blank?07:35
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EightBitnothing happened07:36
EightBitjust a black screen07:36
FlannelKingEightBit, no, you need to chagne your boot order, or you'll never get to the CD07:36
AgrajagEightBit: yo need to boot from the CD to install or run the LiveCD07:36
FlannelKingEightBit, youll need to get into your BIOS menu07:36
axiseight:  smash "delete" "f1" "f2 "f10"07:36
Razor-XGNU GPL has a restriction07:36
EightBitright when it starts up?07:36
axisEightBit, : all in that order07:36
Razor-Xyou may not charge money for the program itself (IIRC)07:36
HaroldI gotta say I just love this channel.07:36
axisit'll bring you into bios07:36
axisif you change anything07:36
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axisother then "boot order"07:36
Razor-Xcalling it unrestricted is sacrilege07:36
digitalfoxRaptoid, but you can charge for support or the media07:36
axisyou will F**k your computer07:37
Harold#Ubuntu is awesome!07:37
EightBitbe right back07:37
bojanglesRazor-X, you can TRY....repeat TRY....repeat after me ....TRY07:37
OrbordeThe_Vox: Thanks for your help. I'm going to BED.07:37
EightBiti gotta write this doen07:37
axisEightBit, : most likely07:37
Razor-Xbojangles: you can try what?07:37
axisEightBit: it's booting from floppy07:37
axisEightBit: it's booting from floppy: then HD07:37
Toastaanyone know where i can get a good driver for radeon07:37
bojanglesRazor-X, but if anyone else gets your program they have the right to distribute it for free and nobody is going to pay you anything.07:37
ubotuextra, extra, read all about it, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto07:37
FlannelKingEightBit, you'll want to change it to floppy, CD, then HD07:37
axisEightBit: Change it to "CD-ROM"    then "harddrive07:37
MadpilotToasta: see the URL ubotu just posted07:37
bojanglesRazor-X, so repeat after me....you can TRY to charge...ok07:38
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HaroldFlannelKing, Razor-X : So what's your opinion of the best C++ compiler for Linux, then?07:38
Agrajagwhat else would you use?07:38
Razor-Xbojangles: charging has nothing to do with open-source07:38
HaroldAgrajag: Isn't there a g++?07:38
AgrajagIS there anything else?07:38
EightBiti will try this out now07:38
axisFlannelKing, : who needs to boot off floppy?"07:38
Agrajagg++ is just a script that calls gcc, I believe07:38
Razor-Xare you saying that GPL is the only OSS license that allows you to change money?07:38
konkiif 1.0.6 is released they better make the name right and not "fox package provided by Ubuntu Linux""hey did not update the version number" http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/upgrade/?id=86407:38
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axisFlannelKing, : i've disabled my floppy drive.. i only unfortunately needed one for windows, to install onto an sATA device07:39
FlannelKingaxis, who cares? It wont hurt anything being in there, and is good incase he needs to use a boot disk07:39
axisEightBit, : good luck07:39
tritiumkonki, lighten up, dude07:39
Mestaphelesdo I have to pin the warty kernel when upgrading to hoary if I want to keep it??07:39
axisFlannelKing: true, true enough07:39
HaroldAgrajag: I'm currently using gcc07:39
axisFlannelKing: good point [=07:39
axisi hope that lil guy makes it07:39
Agrajagif you're using c++, you shuld call it with g++, not gcc07:39
nickrudMestapheles, no, the kernel will never be upgraded without your direct intervention07:39
cafuegoMestapheles: If there is a newer kernel *with the same version* in hoary, yes.07:39
HaroldAgrajag: I wonder if there are any other good c++ compilers for Linux?07:40
cafuegoMestapheles: That will not normally be the case, though.07:40
Agrajagwhy, what's wrong with g++?07:40
konkitritium, i know 1.0.6 will be released soon, so i'm cool until then i hope the name won't be 1.0.507:40
AgrajagI doubt there is, unless Intel's compiler does c++07:40
HaroldAgrajag: What's g++?07:40
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Mestapheles thanks07:40
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FlannelKingHarold, there are, but there isnt any wrong with g++07:40
tritiumkonki, I understand, but it could be much worse of problem07:41
cafuegoHarold: No matter how good the compiler, using a flawed language to begin with will affect the result either way.07:41
Mestapheleswarty's kernel works better for me07:41
axisso .. is c, c++ and perl / cgi scripting still the goods07:41
axisor what07:41
JonasHEllo everyone, just eard about Ubuntu and i have a short tek question...07:41
axiswhat's up in the world of programming today07:41
Haroldcafuego: Hello again.  Which language is flawed, in your opinion?07:41
cafuegoHarold: german07:41
Razor-XHarold: it's the official name for the GNU compiler that compiles C++07:41
axisJonas: SHoot!07:41
tritiumJonas, what is it?07:41
Razor-XHarold: when it comes to languages and text editors, there comes a time when you must stop listening to people07:42
Seveasaxis, replace perl with python07:42
Razor-Xthings like these produce huge conflicts07:42
SeveasRazor-X, true, true :))07:42
Agrajagand replace python with ruby07:42
Razor-Xjust know the purpose of various languages, and their syntax, and shoot a dart at the wall07:42
SeveasAgrajag, not until Ubuntu updates ruby :)07:42
HaroldRazor-X: I suspect that's true.  Still, I'm interested in listening to *some* opinions before deciding, you know?07:42
tritiumwe don't really want a language war07:42
Jonasthanks :D i have 1 HD, 2 partition, if i install ubuntu will it format c and d and if only C will D be accesible ?07:42
Razor-XHarold: clearly you started several personal jihads ;)07:42
konkitritium, i just want the extension "torrentbar" to dL my porn and stuffs07:42
axisSeveas: Python ended up taking off eh? cool .. that's kind of sad for me though, i've ended up learning a bit of perl ...07:42
HaroldRazor-X: Sorry, I didn't mean to.07:43
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Agrajagwell, it's not like perl stopped working07:43
Agrajagperl 6 should be along... someday07:43
tritiumJonas, oh, I thought you literally had questions about TeX...07:43
HaroldRazor-X: I was surprised to hear that c++ is better to learn than c.07:43
axisSeveas: would you happen to have a good link to  a python resource07:43
SeveasHarold, you will get lots of different opinions, mostly depending on personal preferences and needs. You must find a language that matches your preferences and needs07:43
Jonashehe no im a nooby07:43
FlannelKingespecially considering Hosting providers still only run perl on their servers07:43
Razor-XHarold: C++, C#, C, and Obj C, are nice languages07:43
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tritiumkonki, okay then07:43
Seveasaxis, /usr/share/doc/diveintopython07:43
Razor-XC++ is the object oriented version of C with other additions07:43
Seveasinstalled by default on Ubuntu07:43
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axisjonas: no man that's easy07:43
axisJonas: when you go to install of the cd07:44
HaroldSeveas: Hey there, Seveas.  Finally got my wireless going on this *old* Mac PowerBook.07:44
nickrudRazor-X, call them dialects, it's more accurate I would think07:44
Razor-XC# is an overhaul of C++ with a stricter Object Oriented goal07:44
Toastaif i already mucked it up by installing another driver how do i revert to the original one my ubuntu install came with07:44
SeveasRazor-X, objective C is crap...07:44
Razor-Xnickrud: true that07:44
SeveasHarold, nice!07:44
FlannelKingC# is bloatware07:44
axisit asks you to use the partition manager manually, or use the whole hard drive07:44
Seveasnickrud, c# is in no way a dialect of C07:44
axisJonas, :  you can easily delete your other partition07:44
cafuegoand C++ is crudware07:44