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doriani have some problem with a S3-Virge graphic card and my kunbuntu distribution12:34
dorianI am not able to have a 1024x768 display despite my efforts12:35
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apokryphosdorian: have you checked through the Wiki article?12:38
ubotusomebody said resolution was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto12:38
dorianthx, i will check that12:40
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TestMADanyone here mess with mame?01:07
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sicome falla la autentificacion de cups ?? como puedo solucionarlo ??01:40
TestMADanyone know how to fix the sound problem with enemy territory?01:40
crimsunwhat sound problem?01:41
TestMADno hablo01:41
TestMADtry #kubuntu-es01:41
TestMADi get no audio01:41
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crimsundid you configure arts to release the sound device after a very short idle period?01:42
TestMADhow do i do that?01:43
crimsunin the control center> sound & multimedia> sound system> auto-suspend01:44
crimsunmine's set to 3 seconds01:44
TestMADfound it01:44
TestMADlet me try01:45
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TestMADstill no sound..01:45
TestMADbut it loads faster now01:45
TestMADdo i need to set the device?01:45
TestMADinstead of it being blank..] 01:46
TestMADand set to alsa or oss instead of default?01:46
stibbytestMAD: to use oss i think you go to KControl -> sounds01:46
TestMADi know how..but do i need to do that for ET?01:47
crimsunno, ET will use /dev/dsp automatically01:47
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TestMADi still got no sound.but got an error in the game too..cus i heard the glass break01:52
crimsunyou don't happen to be using a shoddy onboard sound chipset, do you?01:52
TestMADits not shoddy01:53
TestMADon nf4 bourd01:53
stibbymy motherboard sound was detected01:53
stibbyits realtec ac9701:53
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crimsunthen you need to make sure you're using at least alsa-source in universe01:56
crimsunsearch the Ubuntu wiki for instructions I've given for downloading, compiling, and installing it01:57
_frankTestMAD: did you get your enemy territory sound to work? I got it to work today02:00
TestMADhow you do it??02:00
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_frankhttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30302&highlight=enemy+territory+sound  using this02:01
TestMADis it permanent?02:01
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TestMADor do i have to do that every time i want to play?02:02
_frankit is not permanent02:02
_frankwell it is until you reboot02:02
TestMADso ho do i get it so that it runs from the menu with those 2 commands?02:02
_frankand you have to do it in a root shell. sudo is not enough for some reason02:02
TestMAD..how do i get into root shell?02:03
TestMADsudo -i?02:03
_franksystenm->root terminal02:03
_frankhopefully this will work for you too02:03
aseigoyou could always put those commands in a boot script =)02:03
aseigo(and then it'd be "permanent")02:04
TestMADi gotta get this dumbed down..cus my wife and son are going to be playing this..02:04
TestMADi d ont need them going around as root.02:04
TestMADcan you hook up a script aseigo?02:05
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_frankTestMAD: did you check if it works? actually, the first command alone is enough for me02:06
aseigoTestMAD: just throw a script in /etc/rcS.d ... e.g. .... cp /etc/rcS.d/S75sudo /etc/rcS.d/S80gamingsound ... then edit that new script to have the commands you need =)02:08
fromozeHi, 02:09
fromozeIs possible to acces to the webmin of CUPS on kubuntu?? 02:10
TestMADyea..just that one line worked02:10
TestMADaseigo: total noob02:10
TestMADi am that is02:10
TestMADyou must explain step by step02:11
_frankyou make a copy of S75sudo with another name02:12
_frankthe first command he wrote02:12
_frankactually that doesn't work02:13
_frankI think I can walk you through it thoug02:13
_frankkdesu kate /etc/init.d/gamingsound to create the one line script02:15
TestMADok..new file isnt it..blank?02:15
_frankyeah its blank but you copy in the command02:16
TestMADok..copied in command.02:16
_franksudo chmod +x /etc/init.d/gamingsound02:17
_frankI'm doing it at the same time02:17
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_frankto make it executable02:17
TestMADk..do i do that in termianl or in the file?02:17
_frankin terminal02:17
_franksave and exit the text editor02:18
TestMADok..so i need to save the file..and then do that command?02:18
marshI just installed Kubuntu - after using Ubuntu for the last month or 2, finding it pretty good, but getting hacked off with not being able to toast anything without hard work and ignoring loads of error messages...02:18
fromozeNo ones have try to use localhost:631 to admin cups?02:18
_franksudo ln -s /etc/init.d/gamingsound /etc/rcS.d/S80gamingsound02:19
marshbut I'm having a bit of a nightmare getting (for atarters) my mouse wheel to work :(02:19
_frankTestMAD: to put the script in the boot sequence02:19
_frankmarsh: what do you mean toast?02:20
marshburn cd's etc...02:20
TestMADsaid file exists02:20
_frankk3b doesn't work?02:20
marshubuntu just doesn't work properly _frank 02:20
marshyeah - it does02:20
TestMADwas is uppesed to use rcS.d/s80 or the new file we made?02:20
marshbut the gnometoaster in ubuntu didn't - well not smoothly anyways...02:21
_frankTestMAD: sudo rm /etc/rcS.d/S80gamingsound02:21
_frankmarsh: is it slow to burn?02:21
marsh_frank - but more to the point do you know why my mouse wheel doesn't work? does Konqueror support mouse wheel?02:21
aseigoyes, it idoes02:22
marsh_frank: burning is not an issue with me... mouse wheel is an issue02:22
_frankmarsh: mouse wheel works for me02:22
aseigomarsh: does your mouse wheel work with any application?02:22
marshaseigo: it would seem not... but worked fine in ubuntu02:22
marshI've tried the configure route...02:23
aseigomarsh: if not, then it's most likely an X configuration issue. huh.. it worked in ubuntu? kubuntu uses the exact same X infrastructure for that =)02:23
_frankTestMAD: you need to create a link from /etc/rcS.d/S80gamingsound to /etc/init.d/gamingsound02:23
marshnot here it doesn't ?!?!?02:23
marshaseigo: it worked on exactly the same machine - all I done is swapped hd and installed Kubuntu02:24
_frankTestMAD: the ln command worked?02:24
aseigomarsh: open up your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file02:24
aseigomarsh: search for CorePointer02:24
aseigomarsh: in that same block you should see:02:24
aseigo        Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"02:24
aseigodo you?02:24
_frankTestMAD: that's it. It should run the command when you boot... I think02:25
TestMADwell see tomorrow then02:25
TestMADim not rebooting for a while02:25
TestMADanyone willing to update any of the xmame frontends for kde3.4.1?02:25
TestMADor whatever in is preferably02:26
marshaseigo: yes02:26
marshalong wwith emulate3buttons, and protocol ImPS/202:27
marshaseigo: but my mouse is plugged in to a usb port (although it is a ps2 mouse)02:27
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aseigohuh.. that is very, very odd02:28
marshaseigo: me?02:28
TestMADits an adapter02:28
marshaseigo: odd?02:28
aseigoodd in that is ought to work then ... 02:29
aseigoer, it ought*02:29
marshTestMAD: me? addaptor? no - it's a splitter/switch for two machines on one monitor02:29
marshbut I've had no problems before...02:29
marshaseigo: is there a config binary t gui/config my mouse wheel etc?02:30
aseigomarsh: try this for me.. run xterm, hit enter a bunch of times so you get a history you can scroll back into and try and scroll using the mouse wheel02:32
marshaseigo: no joy02:32
marshaseigo: the wheel does nothing - I'll aggree with your x11 mouse config theory - just can't find a way to configure it02:33
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_frankTestMAD: I just rebooted and the sound script works here02:35
marshaseigo: mdetect is one that came up with apropos mouse, but it doesn't seem to have done anything... >:(02:35
apokryphosmarsh: if you sudo cat /dev/psaux and move the mousewheel do you get anything?02:35
marshaseigo: no - good line though - hows that work? i thought cat just streamed stuff to the screen!02:37
marshaseigo: back to the plot though: mouse moving got stuff - but mouse wheel got nothing :(02:37
aseigocat does stream stuff to the screen02:40
apokryphosmarsh: not entirely sure what else you've been doing, but if you're getting that (i.e. nothing with the cat) you perhaps haven't properly enabled mousewheel in your X configuration. Try doing sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and setting it there02:40
aseigoeverything in unix is a file, even the evices02:40
aseigoapokryphos: oddly, he has the correct line in his xorg.conf02:41
TestMAD_frank:  thats great02:41
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_frank aseigo: but /dev/psaux doesn't see the mouse wheel so nothing will see it later on either02:42
aseigo_frank: well, yes, obviously. that's the odd bit ;)02:42
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marshapokryphos: I've done nothing but google mousewheel probs - it's a fresh install - I gonna go for the dpkg-reconfigure thing though - back in 2 minutes... >:|02:43
_frankmarsh: what is your exact mouse model?02:43
apokryphosdpkg-reconfigure just edits the xorg.conf file, so if that didn't work (and looking above you seem to have the right line), I'm pretty sure it won't help02:44
apokryphosunless it's another configuration somewhere mucking it up, in which case it may... clutching at straws here.02:44
marsh_frank: genius - optimouse - NetscrollEye02:45
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marshguys - in the dpkg-reconf package - do i enter the mouse as usb or ps2 (it's a ps2 in a usb monitor switcher - so it's plugged into usb port)02:47
apokryphosmarsh: Not even sure what a USB monitor switcher is, but I'd say usb... you can always try the other one if it doesn't work out02:50
marshAhh... bollox. lol02:50
marshno joy... back in again with different options then :(02:50
marshdo i have to restart x to get effects?02:52
marshif so, does that mean I have to log out to restart x?02:52
TestMADgrrr..i wish ubuntu had xmame02:52
apokryphosmarsh: yes; log out and then hit Ctrl + Alt + Backspace02:53
_frankmarsh: check this out http://www.genius-europe.com/service/faq/tuxmouse.htm02:53
apokryphosmarsh: note that if you made any changes and you can't get back into X, the dpkg-reconfigure automatically generates a backup in /etc/X11/ of your previous xorg.conf file02:53
marshthanks apo02:53
marshthanks apokryphos 02:54
TestMADthe specials are awesome02:55
marshtoo much too young.02:56
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_frankTestMAD: I compiled xmame a while back. It works02:56
TestMADyea..lookin for a frontend tho02:56
TestMADsimple one.02:57
sedekianyone know how to install ATI drivers on kubuntu?02:57
TestMADand you got mame to compile...gees..i need to talkk to you more often..02:57
TestMADcus i need to compile it02:57
sedekii want opengl which doesn't come with the apt-getted one02:57
TestMAD_frank: get the source form xmame.net?02:58
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_frankyes I think so but I think I reinstalled Ubuntu since then02:59
_frankthe frontend I had was great... if can just remember which one it was03:01
TestMADprolly a gnome one03:01
TestMADi wish they did the rocky horror picture show live here..like they did in houston..03:02
TestMADbut in this small little redneck town in WV..its prolly banned03:03
_frankTestMAD: Yeah I think the frontend I used was gxmame03:04
TestMADyea..thats the best one03:04
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TestMADsoemone needs to write one for kde..thats just as awesome03:04
=== apokryphos would really like to see a KDE client for Gnuttella network
TestMADi experimented with Gnutella a few years ago.03:06
TestMADtried to modify a kazzaa client for use over a private gnutella network03:06
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TestMADno luck tho03:06
stibbyhow can i find out what is using up my memory?03:06
marshwell... after a few attepts, the only things i could really do were change the pointer to the file where the mouse resides (or something like that) but a completely new way of using a mouse ensued (moving & scrolling allsorts of stuff & issuing loads of commands to the screen as i moved the mouse about, until I set it to (shit - can't remember) /devices/mice (?)03:06
apokryphosstibby: top03:07
TestMADstibby: menu>system>ksysguard03:07
marshTestMAD: whats up with amule?03:07
_frankTestMAD: for gnutella try Apollon. Its a kde frontend for gift and there is a gnutella plugin for gift03:07
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apokryphosTestMAD: yup, or with Ctrl + Esc03:07
marshyeah amule... comes in apt with ubuntu03:08
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TestMADnahh..i stay away from p2p now03:08
marsh(unnoficial, of course)03:08
TestMADeven tho peer guardian does a good job of blocking most of the bad places03:08
marshwell... I'm tired and getting nowhere with me mouse :(03:09
marshI gotta go crash gents.03:09
TestMADjust plug it up like normal03:09
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marshThanks for the help, gonna have another go 2morrow - if anyone gets any ideas, let me know - I'll pop in soon03:10
apokryphosAlright, 'night03:10
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stibbyTestMAD: how do i look up how much memory is being used in Ksysguard?03:13
stibbyerr...wrong phrasing03:13
TestMADi dunno03:13
stibbyhow do i look up which processes are using that memory?03:13
TestMADclick on processtable03:14
TestMADits a tab03:14
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stibbytestmad: i only see cpu stats03:19
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TestMADclose ksysguard03:19
TestMADthen reopen..03:19
stibbynow what?03:20
TestMADsee where it says..sonsorbrowser03:20
TestMADjust keep lookign to your right03:20
TestMADyoull see the tab for sustem load..03:20
TestMADand then the one for process table03:20
stibbyi see them03:21
stibbythey tell me how much is used, but i need to know which processes are using that memory03:21
TestMADit sasy03:21
TestMADright under name03:22
stibbyi see a long list of names, yes03:23
stibby"artsd", "ksysguard", "kdm"...03:23
TestMADthey are whats using memory03:23
stibbybut how much?03:23
TestMADvmsize and vmrss03:24
TestMADi would think03:24
TestMADive only been using kubuntu and linux for like a week03:25
TestMADso im still new to the whole thing03:25
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stibbywill a debian package for debian sarge work with kubuntu? i think the answer is no but not sure03:57
The_Voxmost probably no...tho I bet you can re-compile the package03:57
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stibbyi can't compile things because i get this error:03:58
stibbychecking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!03:58
stibbyyet...i have all the qt dev packages from apt03:58
The_Voxsudo aptitude install libqt3-mt-dev03:59
BROKEN_LADDERyou probably dont' have sufficiently recent version04:00
stibbyThe_Vox: i have it04:01
stibbyand "apt-get update" "apt-get upgrade" doesn't do anything04:01
stibbyi did that already04:01
stibbyalright i somehow got passed that error04:02
stibbyinstalled some obscure qt package04:02
stibbychecking for KDE... configure: error:04:03
stibbyin the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.04:03
stibbySo, check this please and use another prefix04:03
stibbythat's the next error04:03
stibbyand i have libqt3-headers04:03
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stibbyalright now i have the kde-devels...hope this works04:05
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stibbyyay...i got it04:08
slicslaki'm having trouble reading the output of diff.  google hasn't turned up anything usefull, and the man page only describes options.  what does the @@ mean?  how about lines that begin with a space?04:12
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ralph1I just installed Kubuntu version 5.04. I have updated KDE to 3.4.1 and am in despreate need of a Kmymoney2 version 0.7.4 deb that will work. Can anyone porint me to one or share one?04:12
michaelSo, does anybody know of anything that functions identically to Windows Remote Desktop? I can handle a windows freebie, but prefer something for Debian. I tried VNC, but it won't work.04:13
slicslakmichael, what is your situation? 04:14
slicslakwhat os do you want to view/control and what os is the viewer?04:15
michaelI am having to reconfigur printers on our schools printers and ports. I need to remote dektop to one of out servers via wireless.04:16
sproingiemichael: windows server?04:16
sproingiemichael: you want rdesktop04:16
michaelis it debian based04:17
sproingieit's linux04:17
sproingieit's not a distribution, it's a program04:17
sproingieit's in apt.  apt-get install rdesktop04:18
michaelgrdektop runs on top of rdesktop - right?04:19
sproingiebeats me04:19
michaelok, ty04:19
michaelDANG-- Just put a cooling pad under my laptop, and it's cool, and my laptop was hot04:21
michaelne1 got a server I cn try to connect to, to test this out?04:25
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athahi everybody...04:30
ralph1atha: hi04:30
athai sucsses to install kubuntu on my system. but how to make root password at kubuntu?04:31
athaany one know?04:31
michaelthe password you use to log in is the root password04:31
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athano it is my password. at console i type su then i use my password some error appear..04:32
dutchtry "sudo" instead of "su"04:33
athaif at ubuntu have a choose a root terminal. at kubuntu it is no...04:33
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athai try sudo, but it quote a password. then i type my passwors 3 times. the error appear... :-(04:35
michaeltry $sudo -i04:35
michaelor $sudo -s04:35
athaok i will ...04:35
athaok michael. it is sucses.. thanks.04:37
michaelnp - finally i can start giving back to the community :)04:37
athayes that i hope. 04:38
athafor me or for everyone than newbe at linux especially kubuntu.04:38
dutchmichael: where did you find the info on the $sudo -i and $sudo -s ?04:38
michaelI use kubuntu: but try http://ubuntuguide.org04:39
michaelits "a goldmine"04:39
dutchI've never had any troube with sudo, but knowing more can't possbily hurt04:39
dutchgot the guide04:39
dutchjust have seen that one yet04:39
athaok guy. thank you on your help i want to log off now. thanks... :-)04:40
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Dhraakellianah well, it's not as bad as Firefox requiring so many gnome packages when it's not a gnome app04:41
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MCCPickyi'm after a mirror i can enter into my sources.list for install kolab204:56
_frankMCCPicky: sec04:56
_frankwhat is that? It's not in debian at all04:57
MCCPickyno i figure i will have to add it to the list..it's a groupware server04:59
_frankI can't find any05:00
_frankYou'll probbaly have to install following the instructions on the site05:00
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MCCPickyfair enough...i was hoping for an easier and simple apt-get :-)05:03
_frankMCCPicky: do you need the client oly?05:04
_frankMCCPicky: do you need the client only?05:04
_frankor the server?05:04
_franknot much there though05:05
MCCPickyi'm running an exchange 2000 network and want to convert to linux05:06
MCCPickythought kolab might be the way to go05:06
MCCPickythe german govt seems happy with it05:07
_frankok It's the first time I hear about kolab05:07
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TestMADgot a question..theres a really nice cmdline app..but i wish for a gui version..where woudl i start?05:08
DhraakellianTestMAD, there's this really nice Qt programming book available for free as a PDF05:09
TestMADand i dont care for gnome..so it would be a kde app05:09
ubotuI haven't a clue, Dhraakellian05:09
MCCPickythanks anyway frank...where abouts are you?05:09
DhraakellianTestMAD, kde-apps.org might be a good spot to look for KDE apps05:09
MCCPickynorth eastern new south wales australia05:09
TestMADwell..the app im wanting to make into a kde app..is opensource..all i gotta do is figure out how to integrate a gui05:10
DhraakellianTestMAD, seriously, do a search on kde-apps.org05:11
TestMADi am on it now..what am i supposed to search for05:11
Dhraakellian(and !gnome != kde, however nice KDE apps are)05:12
Dhraakellianthe name of the utility for which you want the frontend?05:12
TestMADok..i dont thnik there is one05:12
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Dhraakellianfreshmeat? sourceforge?05:13
=== Dhraakellian hasn't really done much searching on either
michaelne1 know how to enable chat logging in Kopete?05:13
michaelI just lost a hot chicks # cuz it isn't logging05:13
Dhraakellianhistory plugin05:13
michaelclosed the chat window05:14
TestMADno entries for what i want on kde-apps05:14
Dhraakellianmichael, just remember this one thing about IRC and internet chat: "men are men, women are men, and teenage girls are FBI agents"05:14
ubotuDhraakellian: I give up, what is it?05:14
Dhraakellianshut up, bot05:14
Dhraakellianstop responding to my emoticon05:15
michaelI checked the plugins and History is checked - so where are the logs05:15
TestMADi hate cmdline apps05:15
Dhraakellianright-click on the contact?05:15
michaeland if she is an FBI agent, she's hot enough to take a couple years in jail05:15
Dhraakelliancontext menu > view history05:15
TestMADit could be a guy FBI agent05:16
michaelshe has a pic05:16
michaelalright, so where is that menu?05:17
Dhraakellianis this person in your contact list05:19
michaeli right clicked her name05:19
Dhraakelliancontext menu05:19
DhraakellianView History05:19
michaelI don't have it in there05:19
michaelright click, and I don't have View History there, open the last option, and it's not in there either05:23
michaelok, got it on, ty05:25
michaelI still miss her number :'(!!!05:25
Dhraakellian"Oh, I'm sorry, I accidentally closed the window.  Could you repeat that?05:26
michaelshe's offline - it was her last message05:27
michaelI wanna just beat the hell out of me05:27
michaelsry, heck*05:27
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TestMADill do it fer ya05:28
michael919 5th st SW; Pipestone, MN 5616405:28
TestMADthats too far from WV05:30
michaelyea, she lives in OH05:30
michaelbut I'm willing to take that trip05:30
TestMADi got a few friends in ohio05:30
TestMADwe're all originally from texas..and a we all moved north over the past few years05:31
michaeldang, I want to install Kurd, but ./configure tells me that headers and libraries not found05:34
michaelne1 know off hand if there is a .deb for it?05:35
michaelor a repositry to get it?05:35
supernixUptime: 6 days, 7 hours and 50 minutes05:41
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moshewhen I plug in a usb device, kubuntu mounts it automatically and I get an icon on the kde desktop.05:44
moshewhen I put a cd into the drive, it doesn't get mounted automatically.05:44
mosheis this correct behavior?05:44
supernixI wouldn't think so05:45
supernixI think my system automounts my CDs05:45
mosheneither would I, and I don't know anything about hal that would let me formulate this into anything remotely resembling an intelligent effort to figure this out.05:45
moshewhere would I go to configure this?05:46
supernixmoshe: I just tested it and it disapeared immediately and then reapeared after only 30 seconds05:46
moshewhat disappeared?05:46
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supernixthe cd as I opened it and then reinserted it05:47
moshein kde 3.3, there was a part of the sidebar that let me mount and unmount devices.  in kde 3.4, the media:/ doesn't let me do it.05:47
moshemedia only shows my hard drive partitions.05:47
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ilba7rin windows i used to click with the mouse on the file to execute it. Can i do that in kde?05:47
moshedepends on whether or not the file is executable, ilba7r 05:48
ilba7rmoshe i wrote a batch file and it is executable when i run it from a bash shel using ./jabref it runs05:48
ilba7rso how can i set it to run just by clicking on it05:49
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moshewhat does the script do?05:50
mosheit might need to be run in the shell05:50
ilba7rhere is the script a single line java -jar /home/amr/bin/jabref/JabRef-1.8b2.jar05:51
mosheis JabRef-1.8b2.jar executable?05:51
mosheand is java in your path?05:51
ilba7rmoshe i made sure of all of that05:52
mosheshould work, I would think05:52
ilba7rwhen i click on it an editor just open the file05:52
ilba7ri used to put the files with .m extension or .x extension05:52
ilba7rand used to run on mandrake 9 do not know why with the new kde it is not working05:52
moshegotta run05:52
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michaelDoes anybody know where to get a .deb for Kurd?05:56
ralph1seth_k: hi05:57
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supernixwhat do you use to read your email something that is Outlookish05:59
supernixHiya seth_k 06:00
insanekanesupernix: i use Kmail/Kontact06:00
insanekanedunno if it is "outlookish" though06:00
supernixI like Kmail it just does not seem to do well at filtering emails06:01
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insanekaneit doesnt ?06:02
insanekaneit works well for me06:02
supernixit does a better job than the Thunderbird that Ubuntu has released as the junk filter does not work at all but Kmail is still not filtering correctly and does not seem to be learning what to call spam and what not to call spam06:02
insanekanesupernix: maybe you need to install spamassasin, bayesian filter06:03
supernixI do have bayesian filter installed as I recall but it does not show spamassasin but spamassasin is installed on my hosting server06:04
insanekanesupernix: Tools->Anti-span filter06:04
insanekaneAnti spam06:04
insanekaneAnti-spam wizard06:04
supernixinsanekane: do you use the spam or ham buttons ?06:07
insanekanesupernix: no .. i dont recieve spam (for some reason)06:07
insanekanefor some reason i dont understand06:08
insanekane*but*, when i do (very rarely) spamassasin shows it06:08
supernixLOL insanekane what is your email addy I will forward you some of mine so you don't feel left out06:08
insanekanehehe :)06:09
insanekanesupernix: i do recieve a *lot* of spam on my @yahoo.com address though06:09
supernixMy fiancee has a bad habit of filling out those sweepstake forms and she gets way more spam a day than I do06:09
insanekanemy financier (company financier) told me he hit a lottery after he recieved a 419 scam email06:10
insanekanehe told me "all our problems are over"06:11
TestMADmy wife does that too..i get like 3-9 emails a day..she gets like 200+..all spam06:12
TestMADi need to learn some programming..and make some really kewl linux games06:15
insanekaneTestMAD: python works well in Kubuntu ... and so does PyGame/ PySDL etc ... this works for smaller games06:17
insanekanenot to mention, python is *very* easy to learn06:17
TestMADim thinking liek fps, rts, and mmorpg games06:18
TestMADhow hard is it to port from mac to linux?06:19
supernixshould I install the spamassasin ?06:20
supernixI thought it was for servers and such?06:20
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seth_khi ralph1, supernix 06:24
supernixI thought that spamassasin was for servers to use to filter spam ?06:26
ralph1seth_k: well the install is going well, getting data back in place and need apps installed, however one app kmymoney2 version may force me to kill kubuntu off. I can not find a version 0.7.4 deb anywhere and the debian testing 0.7.2 which I could live with for a while has dependencies version problems and one missing dependencie06:30
seth_kralph1: Let me check on that for you06:30
ralph1seth_k: Just do not know what to do will need a Kmymoney2 version running in a few days at the most.06:31
The_Voxsupernix: you can use spamassassin on servers or on clients...I use it on my desktop to filter the mail that doesn't come by servers admin'ed by me06:31
seth_kralph1: I am going to try to backport Debian's .7.2 for you06:31
supernixok so I can use it with Kmail06:31
seth_kralph1: oops, will have to wait until tomorrow though. ping me and remind me if I don't have it for you06:32
ralph1seth_k: Thanks for your help. This is vital for me. Version 0.7.4 is my target, but 0.7.3 would be better for me as it has some fix's i need.06:32
seth_kralph1: have you tried it from source, using checkinstall?06:33
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ralph1No, what I did was too download the 0.7.2 debian testing and tried to install, that is where I found one missing dependencie that was un installable and about 5 other that were worng version. I would try checkinstall but do not have devel packages install yet, that is on to do list after all data installed and needed apps installed and tested. Out side of this problem I like it, but this is killer. Need financial stuff now way arou06:37
seth_ki see06:37
seth_kwell I will definitely work on getting you the debian version backported tomorrow06:38
seth_kbut it is midnight here so no more for me tonight06:38
ralph1seth_k: Thanks for your effort.06:38
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seth_kDhraakellian: lamont, I believe is handling bzflag 2.0. Or was it lathiat...06:42
seth_kDhraakellian: MOTUGLUTransition is not yet complete, so bzflag has not yet entered breezy06:42
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Dhraakellianhttp://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/bzflag <--followed a link from bzflag.org06:43
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seth_kyep, lathiat is handling bzflag as per MOTUGLUTransition06:43
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supernixseth_k: is there any configurations I need to make to get spamassasin to work ?06:46
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seth_ksupernix: not sure. Your best bet is the manpages or documentation for spamassassin06:46
supernixok ty06:47
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ralph1supernix: Just install spamassassin, make sure you have a Spam folder, then use Anti-Spam Wizard to start spam filtering. Then occasionally open a termianl/konsole window and type "sa-learn --spam --dir /home/my directory/Mail/My Spam folder/cur" then hit enter and this will train spam. Also do not forget to make spam that ends in inbox as spam and move to spam folder.06:53
seth_kokay ralph1, I'm off. ping me tomorrow and i'll have you a .7.2 or .7.4 package. What is the website for KMyMoney?06:55
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ralph1seth_k: Top of head kmymoney2.sourceforge.net06:57
supernixDo you mean a spam folder in kmail or in the home folder ?06:58
seth_kalright, I'll see about uupdating a .7.4 package too. See you tomorrow06:58
ralph1supernix: Spam folder in kmail list of folders.06:59
supernixI seriously would like to know why someone at ubuntu disabled the junk mail filter in Thunderbird06:59
seth_ksupernix: it's disabled by default on all new Thunderbird installs, go to Junk Mail Controls to enable it iirc07:00
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ralph1supernix: know idea why things are done the way they are done, I would like to see multimeda with out jumping thru hoops etc. but fact of life is I am learning how to jump kubuntu hoops and not complain much.07:01
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Mchonisanybody around to help a newbie with a kubuntu problem?07:11
ralph1Mchonis: What is your problem? You need to state it before any will know if they can help.07:14
MchonisI can't get online.. I'm pretty sure I need to configure my "Network Settings"07:14
Mchonisbut when I do it tells me to click "Administrator Mode".. and prompts me for a password07:15
Mchoniswhat is the password?07:15
otepenter the password for the normal user you created 07:15
ralph1Mchonis: normally the password is your user password07:15
Mchonishmm.. it doesnt work07:15
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otepadd the user to the /etc/sudoers, if im not mistaken07:16
Mchonishow do I do that?07:16
otepgo to konsole07:16
oteptype "su" then enetr the root password07:17
Mchonisk.. now i'm root@beboplaptop:/home/mchonis #07:17
otepthen edit /etc/sudoers with any editor07:17
otepyou can try: nano -w /etc/sudoers07:18
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otepalso try "man sudoers"07:18
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Mchonisok.. I typed "nano -w /etc/sudoers" .. now it says This file MUST be edited with 'visudo' command as root. See the man page for details on how to write a sudoers file.07:23
i9oeh.. gw kan gak ngerti b.inggris..!!!07:23
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otepyes thats ok i think07:24
MchonisI have noooo idea wat i'm doin07:24
i9owhat the hell is that..??07:24
otepi9o, have you experience in editing the /etc/sudoers?07:24
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MchonisI jus want my wireless card to work so I can go onlin07:25
otepediting it with nano works for me07:26
otepwhat you _actually_ put in there is not my line 07:26
i9obtw, ni sapa ya??07:27
otepwe'd better ask the others07:27
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otepei ralph107:27
Ghetekoy, i got a webserver question. just decided to come here b/c not getting too much of an answer at ubuntu. i get a 403 error when trying to access my web page. i know it has something to do with permissions. i dont have x or a window manager.07:28
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supernixwhat would be the best way to add my windows fonts to Linux ?07:45
supernixI have them on another drive that is a sata that I have to mount manually and such07:46
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stibbysupernix: sudo mount /dev/whatever /mount/whatever07:52
stibbyoh wait07:52
stibbysupernix: there's an easier way07:52
Jeeziskubuntu is the best!07:52
stibbyenable multiverse repositories on apt07:52
stibbyand then type07:52
stibby"sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts"07:52
stibbyJeezis: yeah, i guess07:54
stibbyJeezis: a nice, clean version of gentoo has been tempting me, though07:54
Jeezisstibby: meh, a couple of guys have been trying to turn me to gentoo as well07:56
stibbyi haven't tried it yet...too scared ;)07:56
Jeezisstibby: but i haven't been tempted, i just loooove debian based linux too much07:56
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Jeezisand now kubuntu is my os for life:-p07:57
stibbyJeezis: i'm finding slight maintenance annoyances with kubuntu07:57
stibbydon't say that so quickly07:57
PurpleBluI am trying to download a theme for SuperKarama.  Liquid weather, but when I downlaod file, its says its resultion in currupt.07:57
stibbyyeah, that happens sometimes07:57
stibbyit works fine when i use firefox, though07:57
Jeezisstibby: yes, there was a period where the archives were messed up07:57
stibbyJeezis: no; other problems07:57
Jeezisstibby: oh?07:58
TestMADnite all..07:58
stibbybut its not really kubuntu's fault...07:58
stibbymeh; nevermind07:58
stibbykubuntu works just fine07:58
Jeeziswell, i can't say i didn't have my share of moments where i was ready to put my fist through my screen07:59
stibbywhat did you do? try and install something red-hat based? ;)07:59
Jeezisbut now that i have it just how i want it...it is so beautiful07:59
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Jeezisstibby: arg, my first linux foray was using red hat 907:59
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PurpleBluwhat is a SKZ file?08:01
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PurpleBluark is trying to open it up, but not letting me extract it08:03
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asprois it possible to install koffice 1.4 onto kubuntu hoary?08:16
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_frankaspro: yeah looks at the topic08:18
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ralph1How can I import my firefox bookmarks to konqi's browser?08:24
PurpleBluwhen I downlaod a SKZ file it opens in Kate Text editor08:25
PurpleBlucan get it to stop08:25
PurpleBluI want ti to open in ARK08:25
martinjh99Just installed Firefox and Thunderbird packages from mozilla.org - How do I make Thunderbird open links in Firefox?08:26
martinjh99Ralph>In Firefox's Bookmark manager export to HTML - In Konqi you can then import them...08:30
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ralph1martinjh99: Sorry to be so much trouble but I do not see a import function for bookmarks in kde web browser.08:34
martinjh99Bookmarks Menu - Edit Bookmarks - File - Import08:34
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martinjh99Then Import Mozilla Bookmarks08:35
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ralph1martinjh99: sorry mine only has save, print and quit in it.08:39
martinjh99Hmmm not a clue then - What I said works in my Hoary 3.1.4 Konqi with the latest firefox...08:40
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ralph1martinjh99: I am running Hoary, but have updated kde to 3.4.1. do not know what the problem is.08:43
martinjh99Me neither I'm afraid - Can't think of any other things to try either :(08:47
ralph1martinjh99: where does apt store it's files that have been downloaded and installed. I ask because I want to delete files and update/reinstall to see if it is better.08:49
martinjh99I think its /vat/cache/apt/archives08:52
martinjh99I think its /var/cache/apt/archives08:52
ralph1martinjh99: thanks08:53
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martinjh99No worries Ralph :)08:55
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axishow do i take a screenshot :X09:10
axisdefault app?09:11
axisor should i just get one09:11
axisAnyone know if there's a default app installed within Kubuntu to take screen shots? 09:11
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nikkiaaxis, like 'Screen Capture Program (KSnapshot)' in the graphics menu ?09:12
axisgraphics, right, blind, thx09:13
[Jon] Hi all, if one of you have kubuntu 5.04 powerpc install could you seed the torrent everyone stuc on 71% and no seeders thank you09:14
[Jon] install dvd09:14
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sedekiwhat do i need to apt-get if i want the standard headerfile manpages10:29
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ndraycan anyone help me?10:30
ndrayi'm having troubles authenticating myself as root in the konsole10:30
ndrayit says 'authentication failure'10:31
m0ns00nIs there a linux gfx channel somewhere?10:31
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Whiskershow do i get nvidia hardware acceleration in kubuntu?10:32
PieDWhiskers: it is simple10:32
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PieDin kynaptic, install the nvidia-glx package10:33
Whiskersalready did that10:33
PieDcheck whether the restricted modules for your kernel are installed or not10:33
Whiskersand i restarted10:33
PieDthen open a console, and do :10:33
Whiskersglxgears failed10:34
PieDsudo nvidia-glx-config enable10:34
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PieDrelaunch X10:34
PieDand it'll work10:34
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epilocanyone using radeon or an ATI vid card?10:40
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epilocim getting about 900-1000 fps on glxgears after enabling 3d support10:48
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epilocrunning a radeon 9000 on a dell 2ghz laptop.  Just wondering how this measures up to other cards10:48
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nikkiaepiloc: 900-1000 fps isn't very high, i don't know how it compares to other software though10:59
nikkiaepiloc: i get around 6000-9000fps on my GF6600GT, for comparision10:59
nikkias/other software/software rendering/11:00
epilocthats what i figured11:00
epilocnikkia, is it normal for a laptop?11:00
nikkiaepiloc: dunno, offhand11:01
nikkiaepiloc: thats the problem, it could just be 'what you should expect' on a 3d accelerated laptop *shrug*11:01
kakaltomany other dvorak ppl here?11:03
nikkiakakalto: i use it sometimes11:05
nikkiadepends on what i'm writing, i find it hopeless for coding11:05
sedekianyone know where headerfile manpages are located at?11:05
sedekiin which package that is11:05
kakaltonikkia, interesting11:07
nikkiasedeki: manpages-dev11:07
nikkiaaccording to apt-file anyway11:07
nikkia(did 'apt-file search open.2.gz' and got (among others) 'manpages-dev: usr/share/man/man2/open.2.gz')11:07
sedeki"apt-file" ?11:08
nikkiathe other results were all non-english results, presumably the localised manpage packages include everything that has been localised, not just the basic manpages11:08
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nikkiasedeki, yeah, a nice little util, tells you which package contains a given filename11:08
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sedekii dont have any manpages about my headers :(11:09
kakaltohow can I force umount?11:16
kakaltoI know the cd's not being used, it won't umount11:16
sedekiumount -f i belive11:20
kakaltodevice busy11:21
fromozekakalto: may be you have konqueror opened in a directory of the device.11:27
fromozekakalto: if any app will be using the device, it'll be busy.11:28
kakaltoI have no konq open11:28
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nikkiakakalto: tried using lsof ?11:29
kakaltonope, how?11:29
nikkialsof | fgrep cdrom    might tell you, if 'cdrom' is in the pathname of your cd's mount point, which it probably is11:29
kakaltothanks, I'll try11:30
kakaltogam_serve ?11:31
nikkiaits a file modification monitor thing i think11:33
yifenganybody knows kubuntu root's password after installation ?11:33
m0ns00nyifeng: none11:33
m0ns00nyifeng: use the user password11:33
m0ns00nyifeng: sudo su **userpass**11:34
nikkiam0ns00n: why not just suggest sudo -s ??11:34
nikkiasudo su is a complete waste of time11:34
m0ns00nnikkia: hold your horses11:34
yifengm0ns00n: I have installed webmin for testing, with user password, access is denied !11:34
m0ns00nyifeng: ok, I don't know how webmin works11:35
fromozenikkia: sudo -s is for nerds xD11:35
m0ns00nyifeng: but the ubuntu system is "rootless"11:35
kakaltois it alright if I terminate gam_serve ?11:35
nikkiayifeng: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-938.html11:37
nikkiafollow the instructions to use the perl 'change password' program, near the end of the page11:37
nikkiakakalto: probably11:37
yifengnikkia: tks11:38
nikkiathe problem with creating a root password for occasions such as those, is that in all likelihood, you'll forget you set a password for root, and that's not generally a good thing :)11:38
nikkiaeg, 6 months down the road, you accidently paste your user password to irc, you change your user password after that, but have forgotten that you set a root password the same :)11:39
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fromozenikkia: or wrost, you can say your rootpassword to your girl friend and when you quit her with her best friend forgot to change it xD11:43
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nikkiaits annoying that people are still writing OSS apps in this day and age!11:48
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marshcan anyone tell me the dpkg-reconfigure package to edit to change my display settings?11:51
marshand this Kubuntu thing isn't all it's cracked up o be, heh...11:52
fromozedysplay settings? low resolution do you mean?11:52
marshnot much of it actually works, does it?11:52
ubotuhmm... display is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto or ask !Resolution11:53
marshnah - the X11 setup...11:53
fromozedpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?11:53
marshfromoze - close, but thats not installed - i had it yesterday... >:(11:54
Fra|way<nikkia> its annoying that people are still writing OSS apps in this day and age! <-- huh?11:54
fromozewhat isn't installed marsh ?11:54
nikkiaFra|way: OSS = 'Open' Sound System (a misnomer since OSS was shareware)11:55
marshxserver.xorg, fromoze11:55
nikkiaFra|way: realplayer 10/helixplayer *still* only uses OSS for its sound output, and thus locks the audio device11:55
fromozemarsh: xserver-xorg is in kubuntu by defaults :/ I don't understand your question then...11:55
Fra|wayI thought it you mean OSS as in Open Source Software :11:55
nikkiawrapping it with aoss/artsdsp/esddsp works, IF its not embedded in a web browser11:56
marshfromoze: hang on...11:56
Fra|wayI haven't had problems with OSS myself.11:56
marshfromoze: sorry - you were right - i put a . instead of a - :Grrr:11:57
Fra|wayI use ALSA's OSS emulation11:57
Fra|wayAnd haven't had problems11:57
nikkiaFra|way: alsa's emulation accesses hw:0,0 directly though, and thus locks all sound access11:57
marshit's the frustration of replacing ubuntu - where everything works - for Kubuntu - where practically nothing does!!!11:57
nikkiano matter how you setup dmix ('aoss' accesses pcm.default, and thus doesn't lock sound access, but aoss doesn't work with everything)11:58
fromozemarsh:  O_o the base system is the same...11:58
kakaltomarsh, ubuntu has twice the number of releases! :P11:58
fromozekakalto: yes, twice the number or release but not yet a real desktop environment xD11:59
marshfromoze: kakalto doesn't change the fact that it doesn't work! imho it should be advertised as testing11:59
kakaltofromoze, lol11:59
kakaltomarsh, what's not working for ya? ask and you should recieve12:00
marshfromoze: true, but like i say - it does work.... here i have no mouse wheel... no working media player... 12:00
fromozemarsh: The theory will be, if ubuntu hoary works on your system, kubuntu will do too ..12:00
kakaltocomplainig gets nowhere fast12:00
fromozemarsh: are you usn amd64?12:00
marshfromoze: theory is only theory - in practice my mouse doesn't work12:00
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marshfromoze: nah - i pIII 80012:01
fromozemarsh: my system works better on kubuntu than ubuntu :/ ... 12:01
marshfromoze: you jammy git!12:01
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fromozemarsh: I don't understand 'jammy git'... :$12:01
marshfromoze: lucky person ;12:02
kakaltojammy git: command not found12:02
kakalto<--- there ya go12:02
fromozesee you, must go shopping food 12:03
marshso, having tried for most of last night to get my mouse wheel working - can anyone offer any help?12:04
marshI have reconfigured it in various ways...12:04
marshit has always worked in every other release I've used (RH, Fed, Mandy & Ubuntu)12:05
marshbut not in Kubuntu12:05
marshand the Axis var is set to 4 512:05
nikkiai hate customers!12:06
nikkiathey always have the silly idea of asking for changes right at the end of the project12:06
kakaltomarsh, done much googling?12:06
kakaltonikkia, but ofcourse! :P12:07
kakaltomarsh, seen this topic: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21038.html ?12:07
nikkiaand as a result, i now have to go into the office tomorrow12:07
nikkiathat's *twice* in a month, disgusting!12:08
marshkakalto: I have... got the check for the 4 5 there, and the xorg-conf thing that I had to re-get just now to configure it (although just now was to fix the res), but everything says the same things, and according to them, my mouse works... >:(12:08
kakaltocould you post your mouse section in #flood ?12:09
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maddwarfhi all. got my kubuntu install back up n running after ruining my graphics drivers - dunno what i did wrong, but i reinstalled and it worked first time! 8o(12:17
maddwarfnow I am looking for a new HTML editor. I have looked at Quanta+, and wanted to compare it with Bluefish, but I can;t see Bluefish in my Kynaptic repository12:18
kakaltohave you enabled universe repositories?12:19
maddwarfdo what?12:20
kakaltoone moment please12:20
maddwarfI have not altered kynaptic at all12:20
m0ns00nmaddwarf: Quanta blows bluefish away completely 12:21
m0ns00ntrust me12:21
kakaltohttp://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories <--- where it says "gedit", replace with "kate"12:22
m0ns00nmaddwarf: To name one thing, can you work through fish:// or smb:// or ftp:// easily in Bluefish? No. Cuz it uses gnome's file diags.12:22
maddwarfdon't need any of them, m0ns00n. but that's why i'm wanting to d/l it ... to compare them, see which i get along better with12:23
maddwarfjust looking at those links12:24
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m0ns00nmaddwarf: I've tried most apps - despite some bugs, quanta TOPS them all12:28
maddwarfquanta seemd to randomly crash out on my Slackware box. might be because the system wasn;t stable, but i had trouble with it12:29
maddwarfworks fine in kubuntu so far tho12:29
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maddwarfwhat if the software i want is not in a repository?12:33
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maddwarfhmmm ... problem with kate. won;t run. from cli I get "kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate: it probably crashed." from Menu, it tries to open and then fails, no error report, nothing12:39
nikkiathere we go12:39
maddwarfwas working a few days back12:39
maddwarfOh great. now I crashed Kynatpic. went to re-install kate, and it asked for CD, which I don;t have handy - cancel doesn;t work, just brings the "ok/Cancel" dialogue back!!!!!12:43
maddwarfanyone seen this behavior before? any solutions?12:44
nikkiamaddwarf: sort of12:46
nikkiamaddwarf: i don't use GUI package managers, but have similar behaviour from aptitude12:46
nikkiamaddwarf: just comment out the cdrom: source in /etc/apt/sources.list and it should go to the net for everything12:46
maddwarfah, good call. it doesn;t solve the underlying issue, but should work12:47
nikkiathe underlying issue is no doubt in apt12:47
maddwarf(BUT: i'm playing with kynaptic to re-install my text-editor (kate) !)12:47
maddwarfyes, i can use a diff. editor 8o)12:48
nikkiamaddwarf: just use nano, vi, or something else, for this single edit :)12:48
nikkiaits always good to learn basic vi operation for this sort of thing - its 'always' there :)12:48
maddwarfok that said it reinstalled kate - but it still won;t run12:51
nikkiawhat happens if you try to run it from a konsole window ?12:54
maddwarfI get "kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate: it probably crashed." from Menu, it tries to open and then fails, no error report, nothing12:54
nikkiayeah, its a pain...12:54
nikkiakate runs *once* and creates new windows when you run it again12:54
nikkiaso you probably have a dead kate socket in /tmp that kate is trying to talk to itself via12:54
maddwarfthis is the first run today. but my version, annoyingly, runs all documents in the same window12:55
maddwarf(if it runs at all!! grrrr)12:55
nikkiai'm not a fan of kate anyway12:55
nikkiabut then, i'm an emacs user, so go figure :)12:55
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nikkia(yes, i know gnuserv/emacs-server has the same behaviour, but i can turn it on/off and ignore it if i want :)12:56
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nikkiamaddwarf: i don't really do the editor wars :)12:57
nikkiai don't like most of the GUI editors, but thats my preference, and i'm aware others like them12:57
maddwarfas with everything, the best one is the one that you like/can use. 8o)12:57
nikkia(altho i run xemacs in gui mode, it is essentially just its own 'konsole' type window with a text mode editor inside :)12:58
nikkiamaddwarf: tbh, i think the main issue i have with GUI editors, is colours...12:58
nikkiathe GUI editors all seem to be designed to be black on white, and i find that hard to stare at for hours on end during a working day12:59
nikkiaeven if you change them to white on black, they never seem to feel quite right like that12:59
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maddwarfi still play with the colours, get the right feel for the app.01:00
nikkiamaddwarf: i don't mind coloured text, its just, the default 'black on white' of gui editors always seems to put too much emphasis on the background for my tastes01:00
nikkia(white tends to bleed into black, thus the text looks thinner and less distinct than it should)01:01
marshhey guys. And so after another hour & 30 of messing around with my mouse configuration - the mouse wheel still deosn't work. Is this a common thing - there would appear to be loads of articles - but they all say the same thing!!!01:01
maddwarfmarsh: yes, they all say the same. very common problem, usually very easy to fix. 01:02
nikkiamarsh: mice wheels can be a pain to setup, there's a large amount of trial and error to it if its not a simple mouse (3 buttons + wheel)01:02
maddwarfwhat mouse do you have?01:02
marshthe config is EXACTLY the same as it is in my other Ubuntu setup, (that came out od this machine) ad works at the moment in another machine of exactly the same spec - difference is, this on is using kde.01:02
marshmaddwarf: then why doesn't it work?01:03
nikkiaif i had a comment to make about kde and mice, it'd be wtf doesn't konqueror support 'back button' on mice, when every other linux GUI browser does :)01:03
marshnikkia: it is a simple mouse (3 buttons + wheel)01:03
nikkiamarsh, odd, it should work with the config you find in all the guides01:03
maddwarfmarsh: no idea. as i'm sure you've read 100 times "Option:   ZAxisMapping"    "4 5" has always worked for me 01:04
nikkiamarsh, its probably that you have the button mapping wrong, you can use xev to check which button code is being sent01:04
marshnikkia - none of them - it works on ubuntu fine - but put a K in it & no joy.01:04
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marshmaddwarf: tried it - and as a 7 button mouse - and explorerps/201:05
maddwarfi've never got my extra buttons working (MS Explorer 5-button) but whell works 01:05
nikkiamarsh, run xev from a konsole, move the pointer into the square and move the mouse wheel up and then down01:05
marshnikkia: i've tried it but can't seem to get xev to give me the details - it only gives window details?!?!01:05
nikkiasee which button #s are sent, should be 4 and 5, but if its not working, chances are it'll be 2 and 3 or something01:05
maddwarfback when i played with Sinclairs and BBC Micros, I could read the serial port, see what was going on .... long time ago ....01:05
nikkiamarsh, you have to put the pointer in the box, then do the mouse button you want to check01:06
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marshnikkia: there is no response from th mouse wheel01:06
marshno numbers...01:06
nikkiayou'll see some text like:01:06
nikkiaButtonPress event, serial 27, synthetic NO, window 0x4400001,01:06
nikkia    root 0x131, subw 0x4400002, time 55052102, (47,28), root:(51,707),01:06
nikkia    state 0x0, button 4, same_screen YES01:06
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nikkiain the konsole window01:06
nikkiasee it says 'button 4' at the bottom, that was from a mouse-wheel-up event01:07
marshnikkia: yeah - i have all that - but nothing from the mouse wheel...01:07
nikkiamarsh, then i would guess you're using the wrong mouse driver01:07
marshnikkia: the mouse is working in ubuntu on another machine at the same time!01:08
marshusing exactly the same setup!01:08
maddwarfi'm gonna log of ffor a while, grab some food and re-address this kate-won't-run issue later. good luck with the mouse, marsh. 01:08
marshcheers maddwarf 01:08
maddwarfthnx nikkia 01:09
marshnikkia: what other drivers are there?01:09
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nikkiamarsh, well, I use 'ExplorerPS/2'01:09
marshit's a standard netscroll optic mouse01:09
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marshnikkia: i tried it earlier - no joy01:10
nikkiamarsh, which driver are you using now ?01:10
marshAm i right in thinking that I only have to restart the x-system to change the drivers?01:10
nikkiain theory, yes01:11
nikkiain practice, occasionally, X will set the mouse in the wrong mode, if the mouse supports more than 1 reporting mode01:11
marshjust changed back from explorerps/2 when i came on here01:11
nikkiain those situations, if its a USB mouse, sometimes replugging it will work, if its PS/2  you'll need to reboot01:11
marshi tried XAxismapping 2 3 - and it worked - but not quite the way it should Hehehe01:12
nikkiashould be "4 5"01:12
nikkiaoh, XAxis?!?01:12
nikkiashould be ZAxisMapping :)01:12
marshbut at least I got a scroll out of it - even if it meant losing the rest of my mouse01:12
marshnikkia: or whatever it was called - i done it right - my memory just fails me a bit now cause I'm stressed :(01:13
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nikkiamarsh: http://pastebin.com/31691001:13
nikkiathat's my config01:13
marshyeah - sorry Zaxis01:13
marshnikkia: exactly as mine is, but the comments are the other way round.01:15
nikkiamarsh, yes, and the commented out lines *DID NOT WORK* :)01:15
nikkiayou probably want 'Buttons 5' if  you don't have a 'back button' tho01:16
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marshyeah - sorry - i do, and i have no 5 6 commented out.01:17
marshhang on - I'll try a reboot01:18
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DarkSpyis there a way to emulate a network on my own computer?01:20
m0ns00nDarkSpy: What do you mean? 01:22
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m0ns00nDarkSpy: Run a TCP/IP stack inside a program?01:22
m0ns00nDarkSpy: And only in that program?01:22
marshnikkia: no joy :(01:22
marshand it's still running fine when i switch over to the other machine01:23
DarkSpyI wanted to play with some networking programs like ethereal and ettercap, but I don't have a second computer in the lan to test01:23
marshkubuntu = too many problems :(01:23
DarkSpyI was wondering if there was a program to emulate a lan01:24
marshi have no working media player... no working mouse... some of the mouse icons are all messed up, and the windows like startup music that plays EVERY TIME i have started X and I can't find how to stop is making me want to punch something01:25
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marshhave to choose between the two evils.... k3b is fantastic!!!01:27
marshbut not available on ubuntu... :(01:27
DarkSpymarsh: control center -> sound & multimedia -> system messages01:28
DarkSpysomething like that01:28
marshDarkSpy: tried it - hit Turn off all Sounds - no joy - it still played like windows.... why do you guys have that windows noise???01:30
marshUbuntu has something a bit better01:30
marshKubuntu went with microsoft!!?!?!?01:30
DarkSpyjust because it has a starting music theme?01:32
wincidem0ns00n:  Network Simulator01:32
marshDarkSpy: Ahhh.... I now have found the way to change/destroy it... thanks man....01:32
wincidem0ns00n: sorry :)01:33
marshDarkSpy: a very similar one to m$.... almost a jingle...01:33
DarkSpywincide: thanks01:33
marshDarkSpy: why not a sound (like Ubuntu) or a voice even (like Knoppix) That was original... that knoppix voice was great! Initiating startup sequrence" 01:34
DarkSpycan I make networks with UML / Xen /VMware?01:34
marshDarkSpy: who could knock that???01:34
nikkiamarsh, urgh, the knoppix voice was horrible01:34
DarkSpyhaven't used ubuntu don't know what the theme is like01:34
nikkiait stank of 'reticulating splines'01:34
marshnikkia: Hehehhe01:34
apokryphoshey nikkia :)01:34
marshnikkia: it was better than the 'jingle' option... surely!01:35
nikkiahi apokryphos01:35
DarkSpyin kubuntu is the kde default I think, so it's not really kubuntu fault01:35
apokryphosHow are you today? 01:35
nikkiamarsh: i have no jingle, so i care not01:35
nikkiaapokryphos: lousy, nasty headache01:35
marshwhy not make them quieter?01:35
marsh(if you gotta have a jingle)01:35
apokryphosnikkia: run around in circles singing -- it'll make it go away.01:35
nikkiaapokryphos: i doubt that :P01:36
marshnikkia: do it out in the open!01:36
apokryphosOr hit your finger so it hurts real bad; the headache will be a thing of the past.01:36
marshnikkia: it'll woirk then01:36
nikkiai feel even worse if i stand up01:36
nikkiawhich suggests this may be part of my low bp problem01:36
marshthat was my mothers plan--- smack round the head... there - it doesn't hurt conpared with that, does it!01:37
marshnikkia: coffee01:37
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marshbut it's a bit superficial01:38
apokryphosmarsh: your mum was cruel :P01:38
nikkiahmmmm, how odd01:39
marshapokryphos: Hhmmm...01:39
marshnikkia: odd?01:39
nikkiasomething is locking sound again,  but i see nothing in lsof's output01:39
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marshnikkia: sorry to hear it...01:41
apokryphosOdd. I don't know of another way to find out what's using it01:41
nikkiaapokryphos: the only thing showing up is, oddly, firefox, having libartsdsp option01:41
nikkiawhich is odd, because firefox never seems to *use* arts, but OSS directly01:42
wincideDarkSpy: if you can't use Network Simulator try scotty's tkined :) http://linux.maruhn.com/sec/scotty-tkined.html01:42
apokryphosnikkia: lsof /dev/dsp would that show only what's using OSS? With amaroK running I don't get anything, but maybe it's cos I'm using xine..01:42
nikkiaapokryphos: my alsa is configured to use dmix, so amarok shouldn't lock sound here01:43
nikkialikewise xine, which is configured to use alsa01:43
nikkiaso locked sound, pretty much exclusively means 'OSS access somewhere'01:43
DarkSpywincide: just wanted to know all my options before installing something01:43
apokryphosnikkia: but if lsof /dev/dsp doesn't give anything...01:43
nikkiaapokryphos: i keep toying with trying to modify snd-pcm-oss to use pcm.default instead of hw:0,0 01:45
nikkiabut i'm sure if its possible, someone would have done so, already01:45
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wincideDarkSpy: i think the best way to know these programs is reading their description in the webs i gave you  :) i don know what you want to do01:46
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DarkSpyplay with sniffers, etc..01:47
apokryphosnikkia: or you could make a revolutionary discovery :P01:47
wincide_jordi: try #kubuntu-es ;)01:47
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nikkiaapokryphos: sometimes you find that things like this are easy, but everyone just thinks 'if it worked, someone would have, already' :)01:48
_jordiwinwincide: thanks01:48
nikkiaso noone has ever tried :)01:48
wincideDarkSpy: i think you must try both programs and decide by yourself01:48
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DarkSpyok thanks01:48
DarkSpyI'll try ns first seems more up to date01:49
nikkiaapokryphos: at least i finally got my ip->hostname resolution working, and thus nickserv remembers me now :)01:50
apokryphosNickServer is definitely a male01:51
nikkiaapokryphos: unfortunately, freenode's nickserv is broken with regards to access list containing IPv6 addresses01:51
nikkiaworks with IPv4 addresses, or reverse-resolvable hostnames, but not with IPv6 ip addresses *shrug*01:52
apokryphosis this only a problem for freenode's?01:54
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hussamwhat PCMCIA wifi cards are supported by kernel 2.6 without ndiswrapper or any 3rd party driver?01:55
nikkiaapokryphos: well, nickserv seems to manage on other networks that are Ipv6 aware, whether its a problem with the services codebase that freenode use, or some configuration issue, i don't know01:56
nikkiahussam, my Orinoco cards definitely work01:56
hussamwhat's the model name/number?01:57
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nikkiadunno, they just have 'Orinoco' on them in big white letters01:58
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hussamthat one works right out of the box without ndiswrapper?01:59
nikkiait uses the 'orinoco_cs' module01:59
hussamnikkia: you only did modprobe orinoco_cs ?02:00
nikkiahussam, i did nothing, it is auto-detected02:00
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hussamnikkia, what if I install a Orinoco now. will it be automatically loaded on reboot or do I have to load the driver myself. I donno how Kubuntu deals with new hardware.02:04
nikkiahussam, assuming CS knows about it, it should be loaded 'instantly', and will start looking for a wlan to connect to02:05
hussamnikkia: what's CS ?02:05
nikkiacard services02:06
nikkiaits a daemon that linux runs that handles PCMCIA plug n play02:06
hussambut it it doesn't for some reason, I can always do modprobe orinoco_cs ?02:07
nikkiaif CS isn't running, modprobe'ing orinoco_cs won't work02:08
nikkiathe _cs says its a card services driver :)02:08
hussamok I got that02:09
nikkiacheck ps -ax and see if '/usr/sbin/cardmgr' is running02:09
nikkiaif it is, and the card isn't detected, then card services doesn't have a mapping from the device manufacturer/id to a driver02:10
nikkiaif you're *sure* you know what driver it should use, then you can create that mapping, but if you get it wrong things can go very bad :)02:10
hussamI still haven't bought a card. but if Orinoco works for you, I'll get one too. I might be switching to wireless soon.02:10
nikkiaorinoco and other prism chipsets work great, but they tend to be 802.11b only, and aren't very easy to find these days02:13
nikkiamost places sell 802.11g cards now, and most of those require closed-source drivers or ndiswrapper (or just don't work at all with linux)02:13
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_stefIm looking for the software scanner and infrared in KDE controlcenter. Does anyone know how I can install that? Igoogled alot but I wwas not able to find necessary information about it. Can someon help?02:46
jjessehmm looking and i can't find it out to help you02:49
_stefit seems itis abit difficult to install it afterwards . I dont know wich package I need02:50
_stefand where to get it02:50
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_stefI'm wondering cause I have this stuff with the liveCD but not after a Kubuntu instalation02:55
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_stefno one knows what I need?03:03
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dgtlhi everyone03:05
jjessehiyga dgtl03:05
dgtli can't wait for plasma to take shape soon :)03:07
dgtlbtw... is it possible to remove the animation in the taskbar when launching a program?03:10
dgtlit looks hideous03:10
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apokryphosdgtl: in the quicklaunch? Sure; right-click -> Configure panel03:17
dgtlok thanks03:20
dgtlehm... where is it located... or called?03:22
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ashenI'm nearly maybe going to use kde04:00
ashenI've raped out all of the bloating and uglyness...04:00
ashenbut I have a question04:00
ashenis there any way to fix kde's horrible draw speed/style04:00
ashenit seems to do everything very... chunkily04:00
ashen...wow... channel is dead!04:02
apokryphosashen: draw speed?04:08
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apokryphos(Kleenex, of course)04:09
ashenthe whole thing draws chunkily04:10
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ashenit easily runs into slowdown04:10
ashenand its not... smooth04:10
ashenI mean, Gnome is smooth.04:11
ashenWindows isn't anywhere near as smooth as that04:11
ashenbut its still smoother than KDE04:11
ashen*sniff* talking to myself again04:12
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ashenis there some sort of kde system monitor04:16
m0ns00nI don't know why everyone says Gnome is so much smoother than KDE04:17
m0ns00nI feel it the other way around04:17
ashenI want to see your system04:17
m0ns00nThe only thing is that QT is not double buffered04:17
m0ns00nI also run kde VERY smoothly on my PIII 500mhz04:17
m0ns00n192 mb ram04:17
ashenI think04:18
ashenI'm out of memory04:18
m0ns00nYou're not04:18
m0ns00nThe memory is just managed04:18
m0ns00nIt's always like that04:18
m0ns00nWhen something new runs, it's allocated over.04:18
ashenso... 479 of 512?04:18
m0ns00nYeah, ask yourself how KDE can run on 64 mb of ram04:18
m0ns00nif it should need 47904:18
ashenone other thing04:19
ashenI have some processes running...04:19
ashen2 "gdm"04:19
ashen2 "gconfd-2"04:19
ashenit seems to me those shouldn't be running04:19
m0ns00nI have gvonfd04:19
m0ns00nBut no gdm04:19
m0ns00nTry to kill it and see what happens04:20
apokryphosgdm shouldn't be killed... that would log you out if you used it to log in, I think04:20
m0ns00nNot if you run KDM04:20
ashenhow do I get root permissions on this ctrl-backspace jazz04:20
apokryphosm0ns00n: hence the "if you used it to log in"04:20
m0ns00nashen: You don't04:20
m0ns00nashen: With kdesu I guess04:20
ashenI'm not allowed to kill gdm04:20
apokryphosashen: did you log in with gdm?04:20
m0ns00nThen you're using it04:20
m0ns00nashen: do: "sudo apt-get install kdm"04:21
ashenyeh, but why would I have 2 copies open?04:21
m0ns00nashen: Then gnome stuff will go away04:21
apokryphosashen: how did you install Kubuntu?04:21
ashenthrough synaptic04:21
ashenover natural ubuntu04:21
apokryphosashen: what package04:21
m0ns00nashen: I did the same thing04:21
apokryphosashen: you should have installed kubuntu-desktop04:21
apokryphosthere is no "kubuntu" package04:21
m0ns00nashen: But first: "apt-get remove gnome*" then "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"04:21
ashenheh... not sure if I wanna kill gnome yet04:22
apokryphosthat'll keep GTK stuff -- not sure if he wants that04:22
m0ns00nThen alas04:22
m0ns00nYou have gdm etc04:22
apokryphosashen: if you want to get all the packages that come with Kubuntu you will have to sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop04:23
ashen*opens synaptic... or the kde one*04:23
ashenI have kubuntu-desktop04:23
apokryphosOh ok, then you just don't have kdm as your default DM04:24
apokryphosyou can change that, if you want to, by doing sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm04:24
ashenmy first install was broken (like... nothing in the config thing... etc.) so I reinstalled the package... some things didn't download04:24
apokryphosashen: did you add the latest repository?04:24
ashenlatest repo?04:24
ashenwhich one?04:24
ubotumethinks kde341 is at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php04:25
ashenjust installed it from what I had ^_^"04:26
apokryphosIt's a good idea to add that one, then re-install kubuntu-desktop04:26
ashenwill do04:27
ashenbut while I'm doing that04:27
ashenis there any way I can make this thing smoother04:27
apokryphoswhat are your computer specs?04:27
ashenhrmmm... Geforce 6600 (with latest NVIDIA drivers), Athlon1800 (1.533Ghz), 512Meg Ram...04:28
PieDwhat isn't smooth ?04:28
PieDwhat exactly ?04:28
apokryphosIt definitely shouldn't be running slow then. Type "top" in konsole and see what's hitting high up there04:28
apokryphosPieD: moving windows etc I think04:28
ashenokay... when I move this window around04:29
PieDmoving windows isn't only a KDE job04:29
PieDit is also related to the X server04:29
ashenall the other windows underneath loose their contents, then when I let go it takes...04:29
apokryphosPieD: his GNOME is fine though04:29
ashen2 seconds to draw all of them04:29
apokryphosashen: hit top and see what's shooting up, then04:29
PieDdid you enable translucency ?? it is the only way I know to do that04:29
ashenwait... lemme check when I move the windows04:30
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spikehi there04:30
apokryphosashen: to have translucency you would have had to have manually set it up, so you'd know about it...04:30
spikeapt-get remove amarok -> amarok amarok-arts amarok-gstreamer amarok-xine kubuntu-desktop ....04:30
spikethat looks *BAD*04:30
apokryphosspike: it's not04:30
ashenI dont want transulsency04:31
ashenhold on04:31
apokryphosspike: kubuntu-desktop is only a meta-package -- not a real one. It depends upon other things04:31
ashenits Xorg thats taking a death04:31
ashenso maybe my Xorg is set up with something that doesnt like kde... gonna look at it04:31
ashenhold on04:31
apokryphosI guess we can wait till you have 3.4.1 and we'll see if the problem persists04:31
spikeapokryphos: k, tnx, removing then04:31
ashenwhats kde's simple text editor04:31
apokryphosspike: what audio player are you using instead? :P04:32
apokryphosashen: kate/kwrite04:32
PieDashen: kedit04:32
spikeapokryphos: trying to compile 1.3 :)04:32
apokryphosHeh, yeah, I guess taht's simpler.04:32
spikecurrent one doesn't work :(04:32
apokryphosspike: oh ok, cool. I did too -- works great. :)04:32
ashenboth kate and kedit crashed04:32
spikeI have loads of probs, and web radios don't work at all04:32
PieDa bit more evolved : kwrite (add syntax highlight for instance)04:33
ashenwell... kedit could not be found04:33
apokryphosashen: are you using sudo?04:33
spikeapokryphos: cool, in case I'll bug you a bit then :)04:33
PieDkedit isn't installed by default04:33
ashensomething weird is going on04:33
spikeapokryphos: the new one seems awesome, with the stuff from wikipedia and editable playlists!04:33
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apokryphosspike: they sure are :). Few other little things around... I'm just waiting till Breezy to have PyKDE properly so I can have fun with more amaroK plugins04:34
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spikeI was struggling to get the latter04:34
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ashenupdating now04:34
m0ns00nIs the Geforce 4MX issues still with the newest nvidia drivers?04:34
spikeapokryphos: how did u get it compiled? I was going to do an apt-get build-dep amarok and then trying the configure/make/make install04:34
m0ns00nI'm stuck with 1.6111 I think04:34
apokryphosspike: that should do it, yup.04:35
ashenI have the Xinerama Serverflag04:35
ashenwhat else04:36
apokryphosspike: can't remember if I had to compile other things... not sure. Make sure when you configure it wants to make the musicbrainz plugin etc04:36
apokryphoswhat else what? :)04:36
ashenactually... my xorg.conf is a little weird right now... I've set up a dodgy 2 screen system04:36
ashengnome still works fine04:36
ashenI dont have compositing on or anything...04:37
ashen(*shudder* I had an experience with KDE and compositing once... never again)04:37
apokryphosCompositing is real nice here, and reasonably smooth. I just don't need it for everyday computer-using, so don't have it at the mo04:38
apokryphosKDE customizations for it from kcontrol are real cool though04:38
ashenI'm starting to think I should reinstall ubuntu with kubuntu just to see what a fresh install is like04:38
apokryphosYou could, but there's not much need. I always had Ubuntu first here04:39
apokryphoshad it from back in the day when KDE was in Universe ;-)04:39
ashenback in the day04:39
Fra|wayhttp://moon.google.com/ <-- Google is mooning us. :o04:40
jjessegrin that's been on all the sites today04:40
jjessenothing special :)04:41
qbitanyone know if OpenOffice.org package in kubuntu is created *without* Java support?04:41
apokryphosqbit: if it's not OOo2, then it should be04:41
qbitit's the old one, 1.1.x04:41
apokryphosqbit: no java then, yes.04:42
qbitin tools->options->~/security the "Enable" button has no effect and the "Browse" Classpath button is greyed out04:42
ashenxconf --> clean.04:42
ashen13 minutes to go on my update04:43
qbitok - i guess that's why the jndbc drivers won't work when they do with resin....   -   thanks04:43
asheneverything is A-OK04:43
ashenexcept this chunkyness04:44
nikkiahmmm, apokryphos?04:44
nikkiaapokryphos: you don't happen to know wtf to find libsystray4j.so do you?04:45
apokryphosnikkia: no idea, sorry. :|04:45
nikkiai'm puzzled, tbh04:45
nikkiaazureus has a systray icon... but uses libsystray4j to do so, apparently...04:46
ashendoesn't sound like the sort of naming that would come in a well made package-- perhaps some system tray applet?04:46
nikkiayet other java apps don't see it, and libsystray4j is nowhere to be found on my system04:46
apokryphosa locate for libsystray4j doesn't show anything for me; tray-icon seems to be fine though04:46
apokryphosheh, yeah.04:46
nikkiaashen: its a system tray access for java thing04:47
nikkiaprovides generic KDE/Gnome system tray functions04:47
qbitmaybe it's compressed up in a .jar file somewhere04:47
nikkiaqbit, i'm not sure you can use .so files from a .jar04:48
qbiti did an ldconfig -p |grep libsystray and don't see it anywhere either    <-hoary + kde 3.4.0 though04:48
apokryphoscould try your luck in #azureus 04:48
qbitoh - yes lol04:48
apokryphosI find that channel a little silly; that channel is for developers, and they have #azureus-users for users... 04:49
nikkiaapokryphos: you misunderstand04:50
nikkiaazureus works, that's not the issue04:50
nikkiai'm trying to run jPodder, which also uses systray4j04:50
apokryphosGathered that... but they'd likely know how it uses systray4j04:51
ashenwow... KDE doesn't looks so bad after a bit of tweaking04:51
ashen(I suppose this is the wrong place to make that comment)04:52
ashenis there any way to increase the padding of the taskbaramajigger?04:53
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ashenand are there keyboard shortcuts for navigating the pageR?04:54
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nikkiaashen: yes04:55
nikkiaashen: i think they're undefined by default tho, but there should be shortcuts for it in kcontrol04:56
ashenunpacking update!05:05
ashenbbs (time to restart x05:09
teprrrummmmmmmmmmmmm, there's no modconf in ubuntu?!05:10
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Ashenits working marginally better05:26
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AshenI think I know what the problem is05:27
Ashenfor some reason whenever I start my computer I need to reinstall the nvidia drivers05:27
|rockinnerd|Ashen, cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -e nvidia05:28
Ashenthat... checks through my xconf for the word nvidia?05:29
Ashenno, I literally have to rebuild the module each time I start my computer05:29
Asheneach time I restart the module is gone o_o05:30
|rockinnerd|did u apt-get it?05:30
Ashenapt-get crashes my card05:30
AshenI use the nvidia installer05:30
Ashentho that shouldn't be a problem05:30
nikkiaAshen: i had some weirdness with beep like that05:30
|rockinnerd|weird, apt-get works for me05:30
nikkiaeach time i rebooted, beep lost all of its plugins, and i had to recompile them05:30
Ashendid you say beep, or did one of our irc clients censor you?05:30
nikkiathen, one day, it just stopped happening05:31
nikkiaAshen: i said beep, as in 'beep-media-player'05:31
AshenI dont know what that is05:31
Ashenis it any good05:31
nikkiaa fork of xmms05:31
bbailey"better xmms"05:31
nikkiafar more reliable, xmms crashes every 10-20 minutes for me :)05:31
AshenI've taken to using Amarok05:32
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Ashenmelikes it05:32
nikkiaashen, i like amarok...05:32
nikkiabut not enough of my media is in mp3 to be able to bear it05:32
Ashenhrmmm... why not use the xine engine?05:32
Ashendoesn't that support... lots of formats?05:32
nikkiaashen, because it still doesn't make the collection work with anything but mp305:33
Ashenor recompile gstreamer by default.05:33
Ashenthats a lie...05:33
nikkiaand amarok without the collection system == useless :)05:33
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AshenI've played flac, wma and ogg05:33
nikkiaashen, its not, i've tried it, it only scans and adds my mp3s05:33
nikkiait doesn't pick up on my m4a, flac or ape files05:33
Ashenyou lodged a bug?05:33
nikkiathe latest beta does find them...05:34
nikkiabut adds them all as artist="", album="", track=""05:34
Ashenwell then next version should05:34
nikkiawhich kind of makes it impossible to browse05:34
Ashenstill, I prefer amarok, as a player, to winamp.05:34
Ashenand winamp is... the player to beat05:35
nikkiai never liked winamp05:35
nikkiaQCD was always my player of choice on windows05:35
Ashennever used QCD05:35
AshenI used a couple05:35
Ashenwinamp is just small, and kept playing my trax when windows crashed05:36
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Ashenwhich was alot05:36
Ashen(yay windows)05:36
Ashenhrmmm... considering switching from gtk to qt in my coding...05:37
Ashenis there any fast development stuffs for qt interfaces?05:38
nikkiayou know its GPL not LGPL, right?05:38
Ashengtk is lgpl?05:39
Ashenoh... yeh... you can buy open liscences05:39
AshenI might be able to make friends with someone from trolltech and get a free liscence. (mehehehehe)... 05:39
nikkiaashen, i doubt it05:39
Ashenbut right now I'm not building to sell, or hold the code05:39
nikkiafair enough, just wanted to be sure you were aware05:40
nikkiaand trolltech is rather annoying about it...05:40
Ashenaparently its got many advantages05:40
Ashenare there any other alternatives?05:40
nikkiaif you write it against GPL, but before releasing decide you want to sell, you can't just buy a license :/05:40
Ashenreally O_o05:40
nikkiayou have to have a license from day 1, or release it as GPL05:40
Ashenthats stupid05:41
nikkiaashen, and probably not legal, but its what they claim05:41
Ashenplummeting respect for trolltech05:41
Ashenhaving one of their offices in my city made them #1 goodness... I feel so betrayed05:41
AshenWhat other choices do I have for interfacing standards to work with?05:42
Ashenand things05:42
nikkiatoo many to list :P05:42
Ashenokay, whats yur fav05:42
Ashenwhat do you recommend05:42
nikkiaseriously, theres about 10 X apis for every person on the planet :P05:42
nikkia*shrug* i don't do much linux GUI programming tbh05:43
Ashenwell that doesn't help05:43
nikkiagenerally, tended to use Xlib in the past, but i wouldn't recommend it :)05:43
Ashenfair enuf05:43
AshenI like gtk, its fast to develop and its got nice C# bindings...05:44
Ashenit looks... ugly in some systems05:44
Ashenthat is... it doesn't translate as nicely as I'05:44
Ashend like05:44
Ashenalthough... now that I look at some of my stuffs, its not THAT bad...05:45
AshenI suppose... 05:45
Ashenthere are just so many shaddows05:46
AshenI mean, if you're using widgets upon widgets...05:46
Ashen(which is probably not the best way to work anyway :p)05:48
Ashenwhat does amarok use?05:49
nikkiaum, its a KDE app, thus, Qt05:50
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Ashenthought so05:50
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|rockinnerd|anything else Ashen :-)05:54
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Ashenactually, its running quite well now05:56
AshenI'm starting to like KDE, now that I've erased the entire menu (which seems to spawn several hundred icons by default) and got rid of the background of the taskbar... and reduced the font sizes...and am using the clearlooks type theme default to 3.405:57
Ashenthe reason I wanted to change was I've been reading up on all the stuffs that they're planning for 405:58
Ashenits very tempting.05:58
Ashenplus I liked the interfaces in amarok and k3b05:58
Ashen(which I used in gnome)05:59
TobyI have problems with raki, kde pda sync tool. Can anyone tell me in which chan I can get help?05:59
|rockinnerd|Toby, /join #kde06:00
|rockinnerd|then ask there06:00
Tobyok thx :)06:00
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Ashenhrmmm... how do I get the little... left hand menu in konquerer06:01
Ashenfound it06:02
Ashen"nav panel"06:03
Ashenhah! it puts amarok in there!06:03
Ashenheh... terminal emulator06:04
Ashenthere are all sorts of neat things here06:04
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nikkiaashen, and most of them totally useless :P06:07
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nikkiaAshen: i remember when the finder replacement for OS X had a terminal emulation window built in, the usefulness of that lasted about 20 seconds too :)06:07
hussamhow do I make a local mirror of an apt reposiroty?06:08
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spikeanybody running amarok?06:09
frank_I tried it but that's it06:09
insanekanespike: me06:10
insanekanespike: not at the moment though06:10
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Ashenright now06:12
Ashen*waves convulsively*06:12
insanekanelooks like we have an amarok fan(atic) here )06:13
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Ashenyou got a problem with that? *evil glare*06:17
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Ashenhehe... ubuntu has left this server06:21
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Ashendoes kde have like... a kde bit torrent client?06:25
seth_k!info qtorrent06:25
ubotuqtorrent: (BitTorrent client for QT 3.x), section universe/net, is optional. Version: (hoary), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 664 kB06:25
Ashenany good?06:26
seth_knever used it, I use Azureus06:26
Ashenas do I06:26
Ashenbut seeing as I'm getting all of this KDE stuffs06:26
Asheninstalling qtorrent requires me to remove ubuntu-desktop06:28
Ashenand firefox gnome support O_o06:28
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seth_kwhat does it remove?06:32
seth_kmethinks that it's not qtorrent doing the damage06:32
seth_kbut something else is conflicting and apt is just now telling you about it06:32
nikkiai can't see how it'd be qtorrent06:33
nikkiaits only deps are python and python-qt306:33
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Ashenoh well06:48
AshenI need sleep now06:48
Ashen'nite all06:48
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Ashen|Sleeping(but I'm not gonna leave06:48
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eikkewhats the metapackage called to install kubuntu on top of ubuntu?07:01
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jjessehow come when i'm downloading a file thru konqurer it says 100% of 100% download and keeps downloading07:34
jjesseit says like 59.8 mb of 59.8mb download and keeps moving up07:34
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mikecwhy can't i get anything to install.i open terminal and type sudo apt-get <package>. all i get is an error message. am i missing something07:40
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gianniwhat error do you get?07:47
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mikecno directory07:47
giannishouldent it be sudo apt-get install <package>  ?07:48
martinjh99Can anyone tell me how to configure THunderbird to open links in Firefox?07:48
mikecyes i get the same message07:49
giannii dont know then, sorry07:50
mikecthanks anyway07:50
giannidoes anyone know how to execute a script when a user logs in?07:51
martinjh99Gianni .bashrc I think runs on login...  Not quite sure as there are different ways and means of getting a shell to run...07:52
martinjh99and more than one file that gets read depending on wether it is a login shell or not.07:52
gianni~/.bashrc ?07:53
martinjh99Yup I think theres a systemwide /etc/bashrc as well but not sure.07:53
gianniok, thanks07:53
martinjh99NO worries do a man bash to get more info on which files run at startup07:54
sctoStrange i've an error with installing koffice1.4 :-/ 07:54
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sctobtw hi to all :-)07:54
martinjh99Hi 07:55
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martinjh99Can anyone tell me how to configure THunderbird to open links in Firefox?07:55
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sctono sorry, i don't use thunderbird07:56
sctoor firefox07:56
martinjh99Hey no worries I'll keep asking... Someones bound to know!07:57
Riggzy_Linuxmartin, I'm getting thudnerbird now so I'll have the same problem in a second ;-)07:57
martinjh99:)  Use them in Windows as well...  Uninstalled the Ubuntu versions and got 1.0.607:57
sctodoes anybody know how to resolve apt/dpkg errors?07:58
Riggzy_LinuxWill downloding the .run installer for Enemy Territory from one of those game file hosts work, or do I need some sort of Ubuntu-packaged version ;-)07:58
Riggzy_Linuxscto, what errors?07:58
martinjh99Should work as long as it is the Linux version ;)07:58
Riggzy_Linuxmartin - good thinking07:58
Riggzy_Linuxscto, can you pick out an error you;'re having?07:59
sctoRiggy install troubles with unsermake from koffice, now dpkg tells me to run dpkg --configure -a but07:59
sctoif i do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade 08:00
sctoi've the same error as before :-/08:00
Riggzy_Linuxis it an ubuntu package?08:01
sctomaybe a corupt unsermake package on the mirrors?08:01
Riggzy_LinuxI installed a debian package yesterday, saved my ubuntu system by a hair08:01
sctoRiggy yes official Kubuntu install with Koffice 1.4 from www.kubuntu.org08:01
sctopackage name unsermake_20050618-0ubuntu1_all.deb08:02
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Riggzy_Linuxno idea =/08:03
sctoyes :/08:03
martinjh99I dont think I had to get that package when I tried KOffice... ;)08:03
sctomartin yes thats the prob, but how to uninstall ?08:03
martinjh99Scto> Tried that command it tell you to use?08:03
sctoi try an sudo apt-get -remove --purge unsermake_20050618-0ubuntu1_all.deb08:04
sctomartin yes, dpkg --configure -a08:04
martinjh99Hmmm no clue then...08:04
sctoi'm not sure but theres a switch apt-get install -f or so hmm08:05
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Rhiscanyone home?08:07
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martinjh99scto> Try apt=get install -f then... Can't make it any worse!!08:08
Rhischey i need some help08:09
Rhisci just installed Kubuntu 08:09
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Rhiscthis is my first time ever using linux 08:09
sctohmm but if i do it, apt tries do reinstall the unsermake package and that fails :-/08:09
Riggzy_LinuxWelcome :)08:09
sctoHi :-)08:09
Rhiscthe boot loader wont let me boot windows08:09
martinjh99scto> Ahh right.. OK Not a clue after that!08:10
Spiritual_Vagabohi, i have got a adsl router and wish to connect to the internet from KUBUNTU.08:10
gigaclonwhere did you install linux?08:10
Riggzy_LinuxI think your installtions ego is too high ;-)08:10
RhiscI installed kubuntu an another hd so to switch os i have to switch hard drives08:10
sctolol :-)08:10
Spiritual_Vagabo2 days back someone had told me to do on the cmd line: sudo dhclient eth008:10
Riggzy_LinuxSpiritual_Vagabo, what router is it?08:10
Riggzy_Linuxmodem evn08:10
Spiritual_Vagaboit worked, but every time I switched off the modem, it stopped working08:11
Riggzy_LinuxSpiritual_Vagabo, that would make sense08:11
Spiritual_Vagaboits a beetel dsl router08:11
Spiritual_Vagaboif u want I can show u the error that dhclent is outputing08:11
Spiritual_Vagaboif that would help08:11
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Rhischi bufalo08:12
Rhiscso... what should i do about the boot loader?08:12
Rhischaving to switch my hard drives around to boot differnt os's is really annyoing08:13
Riggzy_LinuxSpiritual_Vagabo, if yuore connecting through the modem, and you turn it off, shouldnt the fact that it stops working be logical?08:13
insanekaneRhisc: edit the bootloader ... /boot/grub/menu.lst08:13
tiagohi, im new to linux, how do i install deb archives under kubuntu?08:13
Riggzy_LinuxRhisc, is there anything about Windows in that file insanekane just mentioned?08:13
Spiritual_Vagabotrue, but what I meant to say is that when i turn it off and on again, it dont work08:13
sctotiago local or remote?08:14
insanekaneSpiritual_Vagabo: you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces08:14
Rhiscumm what file?08:14
tiagoits a window decoration08:14
sctosudo dpkg -i packaname.deb08:14
sctoups :-)08:14
Riggzy_LinuxRhisc, go into a console and type     sudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst08:14
sctopackagename :-)08:14
Spiritual_Vagaboinsanekane, but I thought kubuntu was suppose to do all that for me!08:14
insanekaneSpiritual_Vagabo: dunno about that08:15
Spiritual_Vagabothis was 1 of the reasons y i plan to switch to kubuntu08:15
insanekaneSpiritual_Vagabo: but if you wait a couple of months, im writing a wizard for it :)08:15
tiagohow will it know which package to install?08:15
insanekanetiago: do you want to install a package from the net ? or do you have the package on you hard disk ?08:15
Rhiscit says communication problem with kate08:15
Riggzy_LinuxRhisc, hehe oops08:16
sctotiago change to the directory like cd /home/scto/... 08:16
tiagoits on my hard drive08:16
insanekanetiago: whats the name of deb file ?08:16
Riggzy_LinuxRhisc, try          sudo kwrite /boot/grub/menu.lst08:16
Rhiscah that works08:17
frank_sudo for kde apps is kdesu08:17
sctotiago-- sudo dpkg -i akdc_1.0-3.2_i386.deb08:17
Riggzy_Linuxis there anything n there to do with windows?08:17
Riggzy_Linux(apart from the commented example at the top)08:17
tiagodpkg: error processing akdc_1.0-3.2_i386.deb (--install):08:17
tiago cannot access archive: No such file or directory08:17
tiagoErrors were encountered while processing:08:17
tiago akdc_1.0-3.2_i386.deb08:17
insanekaneRhisc: btw, it is not easy to edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst ... without knowing exactly what uou are doing08:18
Spiritual_Vagaboi cant wait 2 months, i need a solution asap08:18
insanekanetiago: if you do ls -la, can you see the file ?08:18
Spiritual_Vagaboits behaving very weird08:18
insanekaneSpiritual_Vagabo: edit the /etc/network/interfaces ... and use "auto" .. to get more info on how to edit, and where to add auto, you need to do man /etc/network/interfaces08:18
sctotiago executed with sudo?08:19
tiagoi dont see it with ls -la08:19
sctotiago wheres the package? directory name?08:19
tiago /home/tiago/Themes08:20
sctotiago and where you are? tipe: pwd08:20
Spiritual_Vagabowil do that when I reboot into kubuntu08:20
Spiritual_Vagabothanx insanekane 08:20
insanekanetiago: an additional thing ... it is entirely possible that this package may not work on kubuntu08:20
tiago /home/tiago08:20
tiagoit worked in mepis >_< i just dubble clicka nd it installs08:21
scto:-) so do a sudo dpkg -i /home/tiago/Themes/akdc_1.0-3.2_i386.deb08:21
tiagodoes any one know what package mepis uses to isntall deb files?08:21
tiagoscto:  thanx alot bro08:22
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sctono prob :-)08:22
tiagoit worked xD08:22
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tiagois there any graphical way to do it?08:23
sctotiago yes kpackage08:23
tiagobecouse im noob and used to windows... just dubble clicking things08:23
tiagook cool thanx bro08:23
sctono prob :-) better to be an noob under linux than a pro under windows :-)08:23
insanekanetiago: you can also look around in kde-apps for a .desktop file or Konqueror shortcut, which allows you to point-click install a deb file08:25
sctosomeone here installed Koffice 1.4?08:26
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tiagooh cool08:26
Whiskershow do i enable the root account?08:26
insanekaneWhiskers: you dont ... use sudo instead08:26
ubotufrom memory, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo08:26
tiagohow come linux dosent come by defult to employ alot of these point and click mods?08:26
insanekanetiago: not linux, you mean Kubuntu08:27
tiagolol there is a gui for a reason08:27
sctowhiskers try sudo passwd root08:27
tiagoyeah kubuntu08:27
insanekanetiago: its because it takes effort to maintain these things08:27
tiagofair enough08:27
insanekanetiago: if you are willing, you may contribute to the effort, by integrating the same into kubuntu08:27
tiagoif i knew how i would08:27
Whiskersthank you scto 08:27
tiagoi still have alot to learn08:27
sctowhiskers you're welcome08:28
insanekanetiago: indeed ... and isn't that the fun part ? ;)08:28
sctotiago me too :-)08:28
tiagobut i do have faith in the future of linux and i will be happy to contribute where and how i can08:28
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tiagoyes... windows is boring ad some times frustrating08:28
frank_tiago: the way I see it, the people who develop are not the same people who think that would be useful. ;-)08:28
Riggzy_LinuxOnce you get over the initial setup of a linux system and are ready to use it as a productive system, it rocks08:29
tiagoim more of a multimedia person... in that sence i would like to help make kde look far better then os x and longhorn08:29
sctoriggzy yeah :-)08:29
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Rhiscwell it didnt work08:29
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Fra|waytiago: KDE allows for quite a lot of customization, though.08:29
tiagoits just a huge shame that adobe hasent seen the huge potential of linux08:29
_mchonishey.. newb here needs help installing firefox08:30
tiagoyeah the main reason im using kubuntu was for kde and xorg... xD drop shadows r0x0r!08:30
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jjessehow do i change the path that an application  is looking for? for example eclipse is looking for java in a different location then i installed it?08:30
insanekanetiago: then perhaps you need to look at Plasma/Superkaramba/etc for KDE408:30
Fra|wayI never got drop shadows and transparency working on my ATi card08:30
sctojjesse try do to a softlink08:31
Riggzy_LinuxHmm... acn anyone help rhisc? his grub wont elt him boot into winblows08:31
ubotuextra, extra, read all about it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.08:31
tiagohas kde 4 entered beta yet?08:31
insanekanejjesse: gnerally, Java is looked for with the JAVA_HOME environment variable08:31
tiagowhat does plasma do?08:31
insanekanetiago: its the next gen desktop system08:31
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tiagois it avalible for kubuntu?08:31
insanekanetiago: with emphasis on new desktop metaphors, and astounding eye candy08:32
insanekanetiago: dunno ... but superkaramba is08:32
Fra|wayAny shots of KDE4?08:32
tiagoi have had problems with superkaramba conflicting with xorg in mepis... i havent tryed in kubuntu08:32
Fra|wayLuminocity looks pretty tight. ;)08:33
tiagoi installed kpackage but im not to sure where it is or how to use it08:33
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Riggzy_LinuxFra|way, that jelly-fied window system?08:33
sctotiago press the K-Button 08:33
edvardashello, am i able to run fvwm on kde?08:33
sctoshould be in system08:33
Fra|wayI liked the wobbly window effect08:33
Fra|wayIn the end it's just pointless but I liked the look of it08:34
tiagoits not there :S08:34
tiagoit ran from run  command though08:34
sctook :-)08:35
sctocommand rocks08:35
Riggzy_LinuxHow do ya change the default browser to firefox?08:35
Riggzy_Linuxie, for links in programs08:35
insanekanetiago: you can do simple math in Run Command like %+208:35
seth_kKcontrol, Riggzy_Linux 08:36
tiagoarg.... it wont let me install a package using kpackage becosue the root password08:36
tiagowhat is kubuntus defult root password?08:36
sctotheres no root acccount08:36
insanekanetiago: it doesnt have any08:36
insanekanetiago: to set one use 'sudo passwd'08:37
tiagoi tryed my acount password and it dident work08:37
sctodo a sudo passwd root08:37
Riggzy_Linuxseth_k, anywhere specific? ;-) I had a search through earler08:37
tiagocool thanx for that08:37
seth_kRiggzy_Linux: umm, KDE components methinks. I don't use kcontrol so don't remember exactly08:38
sctoriggzy open konqueror08:38
sctogo to settings:/08:38
tiagodpkg -i '//home/tiago/Themes/crystal_0.9.2-1_i386.deb' ;echo RESULT=$?08:38
tiagodpkg: status database area is locked by another process08:38
tiagowhat does that meen?08:38
sctotiago kpackage is open08:38
seth_k2 means "status database area is locked by another process" :P08:39
tiagothats what im trying to use to install it08:39
Riggzy_Linuxseth_k, ah there it is ;-)08:39
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seth_kComponent Chooser :)08:39
sctotiago only kpacke open? no kynaptic synaptic ?08:40
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seth_kyay, KMyMoney2 .7.4 backported to Hoary splendidly08:40
seth_kralph1 will wub me08:40
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tiagoyeah its working now :P08:41
tiagodoes any one know any glassy black windows decorations?08:43
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Riggzy_Linuxgtkpod rocks... byebye iTunes!08:44
Riggzy_Linuxtiago, try kde-look.org08:44
tiagoyeah im on there08:44
Riggzy_Linuxlol oops08:44
tiagolol my music sounds so clear under linux ^^08:45
sctogrrr debconf: apt-extracttemplates failed08:45
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sctotiango yeah open and free08:45
Riggzy_Linuxfer some reason my rear-centre speaker wont work... I'm taking tis becasue Linux thinks I've using 5.1 instead of 6.108:45
insanekaneseth_k: where can i get it ?08:46
insanekaneseth_k: kmymoney2 7.4 ie08:46
insanekaneseth_k: kmymoney2 0.7.4 ie08:46
tiagorofl @ tiango08:47
seth_kinsanekane: I backported it, it's uploading to my server now08:47
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Riggzy_Linuxah, there's nothing like Bowie on XMMS streaming from my iPod ;-)08:48
insanekaneseth_k: ok great ... i need it :)08:48
sctoseth_k me too :-)08:49
seth_ki'll link it in about 5 minutes :)08:49
sctocool thanks08:49
edvardashey, does app "fvwm" work on kubuntu?08:49
sctoedvardas no clue08:50
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seth_kRiggzy_Linux, you can use Konqueror + Flash if you wish08:51
sctohow to i remove a package in apt cache?08:51
Riggzy_LinuxI'll never be able to watch sbemails! lol08:52
frank_edvardas: do you know what fvwm stands for?08:53
sctofm window manager 08:54
frank_fucking virtual windows manager08:54
frank_for real08:54
frank_well actually the first word is anything that starts with f like maybe fantastic08:55
tiagohey if i use a png for the panel background will it aprear translucent?08:56
edvardasand maybe like frank too ;}08:56
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frank_edvardas: never thought of that...  frank's virtual windows manager08:57
seth_kkMyMoney2 0.7.4 Hoary backport == http://sethkinast.com/ubuntu/hoary/backports/kmymoney2_0.7.4-0ubuntu1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb08:57
seth_kone of you people that wanted it, try it out and see if it installs and runs properly please?08:57
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sctoseth_k thanks a lot08:58
edvardasmy names of app's in Kmenu changed - now it's for ex Audio Player (amaroK) , but it was amaroK (Audio Player). how to change these names back?08:59
Riggzy_Linuxedvardas, rightclick the K menu, "Menu Editor"09:00
seth_kno no09:00
seth_kIt's rightclick panel, configure panel, Menus09:00
seth_kthen choose Menu Item Format09:00
edvardasi found it09:00
edvardasthanks a lot :}09:00
tiagosorry to be a pain, but can some one help me open videos under linux?09:01
Riggzy_Linuxtiago, lol09:01
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Riggzy_Linuxhold on09:01
tiagoi installed the w32 codecs and it was working in the past09:01
Riggzy_Linuxwhat video are you trying to play?09:01
tiagolike format?09:01
tiagoTotem could not play 'file:///mnt/downloads/Videos/Porn/Dirty Latina Maids - Keeani.wmv'.09:02
tommytiago : sudo apt-get install vlc09:02
seth_kscto, no problems, let me know if it works for you properly09:02
sctoseth_k yes installing now :-)09:03
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frank_tiago: you can try mplayer as well09:03
tiagooh it works in kafine player :D09:04
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tiagoarg why is that totom player comming up as defult?09:04
frank_right click properties to change default player09:04
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Rhischey i was wondering if someone could help me with this09:07
Rhiscgrub wont boot windows wx when i select it from the menu09:08
Rhiscso right now i have to change hard drives if i want to boot windows09:08
seth_kokay Rhisc 09:08
seth_kcan you paste the contents of /boot/grub/menu.lst to http://kubuntu.pastebin.com please :)09:09
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edvardashow to mount a HD?09:11
insanekaneedvardas: sudo mount /dev/<partitionname>09:12
sctoseth_k installed without any probs :-) thanks from a swiss guy :-)09:12
seth_kscto, cheers09:12
Rhiscok pasted09:12
insanekaneRhisc: you also need to provide info on your partitions layout09:13
sctoseth_k runs well, imported old project no probs thanks09:13
Rhiscok... well its two separate hard drives09:13
seth_kSerial ATA drives both?09:13
seth_kor just the Windows drive09:13
Rhiscone has windows and the other linux09:13
Rhiscno the winodws one is sata and the linux one is ide09:14
sctoseth_k do you know how to solve a probplem with dpkg?09:14
edvardas"mount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"  - i get that when i try to mount a partition09:14
seth_kscto what's the problem?09:14
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edvardashow to mount it properly?09:14
insanekaneRhisc: you probably need to change hda1 to sda109:14
insanekaneedvardas: you need to edit /etc/fstab09:14
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sctoseht_k i've downloadet koffice from kubuntu deps and installed them locally with dpkg 09:14
Rhisclet me try that i will be right back09:15
sctobut i've recived some errors with unsermake09:15
sctokoffice works well09:15
insanekaneRhisc: after changing, also do grub-install 09:15
sctoso my question, how to remove unsermake09:15
seth_kscto, why not use the Koffice repository? (Not that it matters now, but just curious)09:15
ray_koffice cant save or open .doc files right?09:16
insanekaneseth_k: so, does the Koffice in the repository have krita ?09:16
seth_kscto, sudo aptitude remove unsermake should do it09:16
seth_kinsanekane, no idea :(09:16
sctoseht_k i've put the koffice repos in my sources.list a mirror here in ch, but apt-get update && apt-get upgrade wont upgrade my koffice 1309:16
sctoups 1.309:16
Riggzy_LinuxHmm, I'm trying to build DeDRMS, and msc dosent seem to exist (even though i have monodevelop)09:17
seth_kyou used the repos from this channel's topic?09:17
seth_ke.g. deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice14 hoary-updates main09:17
sctoyes as well09:17
seth_kok :) well see my above comment about removing unsermake09:17
seth_kbut no clue what else that might remove...09:17
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sctoseth_k yes 09:17
seth_kunsermake is pretty important to KDE. It's like KDE's automake09:17
sctook i'll try thanks09:17
nmorseHey, what's this I see on Distrowatch about Ubuntu Lite?09:18
seth_kUbuntu Lite is a target BreezyGoal09:18
sctoseth_k but i can't install it09:18
seth_kSupposed to be Ubuntu in 150MB or something, for portable devices09:18
seth_kscto, oh, the errors are that it's trying to be installed and won't be?09:18
sctodpkg -i gives me errors09:18
sctoseth_k yes09:18
sctoi try do install but i recive errors 09:19
seth_khave you tried sudo aptitude install unsermake ?09:19
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Rhiscthat didnt work09:19
ray_so can koffice open word files or not?09:19
insanekaneRhisc: its because you didnt do update-grub or grub-install09:19
Rhischow do i do that?09:19
insanekaneRhisc: you can do a simple thing to test wether it works or not09:19
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sctoseth_k yes, errros about archive head09:20
insanekaneRhisc: what you do is, wait for the grub menu to show up09:20
insanekaneRhisc: move to the windows entry09:20
sctoE: Prior errors apply to /var/cache/apt/archives/unsermake_20050618-0ubuntu1_all.deb09:20
insanekaneRhisc: instead of pressing Enter, press the 'e' key09:20
seth_khmmmm scto09:20
insanekanethen, move to the line with (hda1,0)09:20
sctodebconf: apt-extracttemplates failed: Ungltiger Dateideskriptor09:20
insanekanepress 'e' again09:20
insanekanechange it to (sda1,0)09:20
Rhisci did09:21
Rhiscdosent work09:21
insanekaneRhisc: after changing it, press Enter, and then press b09:21
Rhisclet me try that 09:21
sctoseth_k something for bugzilla?09:21
insanekaneRhisc: dude, read all my messages above, its a step by step process09:21
sctoor to tell riddell?09:21
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insanekaneidiot ... leaves without getting the full into09:21
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seth_kscto, first could you pastebin the whole output of sudo dpkg -i <<koffice stuff>>09:21
sctoseth_k ok i do dpkg -i /home/scto/Destop/Koffice/*.deb09:22
nmorseSo, anyone know how to get E17's current test version for Ubuntu?09:22
nmorseI saw the elive debian-based cd just now09:22
sctoseth_k with sudo :-)09:22
seth_knmorse, check the Ubuntu forums. Some guy in there packaged it09:23
seth_knmorse, in the Breezy section, look for a thread about E1709:23
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ray_does anybody else have fglrx issues with kubuntu09:23
DestedIm running Kubuntu right now, for the first time, and im lovin git09:23
ray_Dested: yeah i love it to09:24
sctosseth_k > scto@kubuntu:~/Desktop/Koffice$ sudo dpkg -i *.deb09:24
scto> (Lese Datenbank ...09:24
scto> dpkg: Ernste Warnung: Dateilisten-Datei des Paketes unsermake fehlt, nehme an, dass das Paket derzeit keine Dateien installiert hat.09:24
scto> 104456 Dateien und Verzeichnisse sind derzeit installiert.)09:24
scto> Vorbereiten zum Ersetzen von karbon 1:1.4.0-0ubuntu0hoary2 (durch karbon_1.4.0-0ubuntu0hoary2_i386.deb) ...09:24
scto> Entpacke Ersatz fr karbon ...09:24
seth_kack scto09:24
ray_Dested: looks so much better on my lcd than ugly gnome09:24
seth_kI told him pastebin...09:24
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sctosorry to all :-/09:24
Destedlol yeah ray09:25
sctoseth_k to much output for the channel, flooding :-/09:25
seth_kscto that's why I said pastebin ;)09:25
sctoseth_k what do you mean with pastebin09:25
ray_does anybody else have fglrx issues with kubuntu09:25
Fra|wayI heard the best excuse not to use Gnome today09:25
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seth_kscto, http://kubuntu.pastebin.com09:25
nmorseLike what, ray?09:25
Rhiscdidnt work09:25
Fra|way"It's made by a ugly latino nerd"09:25
Rhisci tried changing the number09:25
seth_kscto, I'm sorry you didn't know about it09:25
Rhiscsaid there was an error parsing the number09:26
Fra|wayThat applies to all programs using GTK, apparently.09:26
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scto:-) no prob, thanks for the link :-)09:26
ray_nmorse: it works fine for a while then it gets all choppy.....but if i install regular ubuntu then install kde on top of it it works fine?09:27
sctoseth_k ok im on pastebin, put in the contend and pressed send :-)09:28
nmorseSo it works fine if you just install KDE over Ubuntu, but not on Kubuntu?09:28
sctoand now?09:28
ray_nmorse: yup09:28
nmorsethat's really odd09:28
ray_nmorse: i dont understand it because im getting the same exact fglrx driver09:28
nmorseI'd just stick with Ubuntu plus KDE then\09:29
nmorseI don't know what would cause that though09:29
sctoseth_k http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/31726009:29
nmorseDo you install kubuntu-desktop when you install kde on Ubuntu?09:29
seth_knmorse, that's the easiest way09:29
sctoseth_k but it's in german :-/09:29
seth_kscto, it's ok, the pattern is still familiar09:29
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ray_nmorse: no09:30
nmorseYou just install kde then?09:30
sctoseth_k not much info in the output09:30
nmorseSo one of the programs kubuntu-desktop depends on must be causing the problem09:30
ray_nmorse: yeah09:31
ray_nmorse: but i do get the kubuntu-deafault-settings09:31
sctoseth_k dpkg tells something about memory exception09:32
nmorseWe may need to check what packages you have installed versus what kubuntu-desktop installs09:32
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ray_nmorse: yeah...im gonna try to reinstall and see....i will be back09:33
seth_kscto, ugh, I have little idea09:34
Destedthis is so wierd09:35
Destedim using winvnc to connect to machine thats running in vmware on the same commputer09:35
sctoseth_k me too, sound like a damaged package09:36
sctoseth_k strange that im the first with this prob09:37
seth_kscto, go ahead and put it on Bugzilla. If you can, provide an English translation of the dpkg error message... that will help ;)09:38
sctoseht_k ok how to chage dpkg to english?09:39
insanekanescto: export LANG=en_US.UTF-809:39
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sctoinsanekane doesnt work09:40
insanekanedo that, and try the dpkg command again09:41
insanekaneor do09:41
insanekanesudo LANG=en_US.UTF-8 dokg -i.....09:41
insanekanesudo LANG=en_US.UTF-8 dpkg -i.....09:41
insanekanealso try09:41
insanekanesudo LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 dpkg -i.....09:41
seth_kscto, the translation of that message is something like "unexpected end of file?" maybe a bad package...09:42
sctochangeseth_k exactly09:42
nmorseBe back in a few minutes, hopefully in E1709:43
seth_kscto, let me try installling that package09:43
sctoinsanekane sudo: LC_ALL=en.UTF-8: command not found09:43
insanekaneits not a command09:43
sctoseth_k ok, should i upload them to your server?09:43
insanekanemaybe try09:43
seth_kscto, worked fine for me installing09:44
insanekanesudo 'LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 dpkg -i...'09:44
seth_kscto, maybe try getting a fresh copy?09:44
sctoseth_k no09:45
sctoinsanekane doesnt work09:45
sctosame error09:45
sctoseth_k downloadet from ftp://ftp.solnet.ch/mirror/KDE/stable/koffice-1.4/kubuntu/pool/koffice09:46
seth_kscto, http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice14/ try there09:46
edvardaswhy does konqueror crashes so often?09:46
seth_k /pool/unsermake09:46
seth_kand get that deb09:47
insanekanescto: ok ... then your only option is09:47
seth_kedvardas, are you running KDE 3.4.1 ?09:47
insanekanescto: su09:47
edvardasseth_k: 3.4.009:47
insanekanescto: and then export blahblah09:47
insanekanescto: and then, dpkg -i09:47
seth_kedvardas, then upgrade. It fixes *many* crashbugs09:47
edvardashow to upgrade it to 3.4.109:47
frank_that's right mine hasn't crashed since I upgraded09:47
seth_kedvardas, click the link in the /topic for instructions09:47
sctoseth_k ok downloading09:47
sctoinsanekane ok i'll try :-)09:48
sctoseth_k strange your package works :-)09:49
seth_kscto, bad package09:49
sctobad mirror09:49
seth_kgo ahead and file a bug and tell them the unsermake deb on that mirror is bad09:49
seth_kor I will for you, if you like09:49
sctoi'll do surely :-)09:49
seth_kok :)09:50
sctoseth_k we can do both :-)09:50
insanekaneok ciao all09:50
seth_kno, duplicate bugs are bad, I kill them when I see them ;)09:50
seth_kbye insanekane 09:50
sctobye insanekane09:50
sctoseth_k you're right09:50
sctodo you know how to change the output from apt to english?09:51
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seth_kexport LC_MESSAGES=en_US09:52
sctomust be something with export09:52
sctowith sudo ?09:52
seth_ktry without first09:52
mpmcIs there a Mixer for Kbuntu.. Like Gnome?09:52
Riddellmpmc: kmix?09:52
sctoi'll try09:52
seth_kmpmc, kmix09:52
mpmcIt never seems to work.09:52
sctoseth_k yes without sudo :-) thanks dude :-)09:54
sctoseth_k can i change this with sudo permanently?09:55
seth_kscto, you don't want your Kubuntu in German?09:56
seth_kif so, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales09:56
seth_kand pick English09:56
sctoseth_k yes, completely in english :-)09:56
seth_kah, that'll do it then!09:56
mpmcWhen I try and use the OSS engine in Amorak.. It says it always in use.09:57
sctoseth_k thx :-)09:59
sctompmc maybe kill arts ?10:00
sctonot sure10:00
edvardasto instal kde 3.4.1 i should type apt-get instal kde? :}10:00
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seth_kedvardas, did you add the source found in the link?10:01
seth_kedvardas, then type "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade"10:01
seth_kand you're done :)10:01
seth_k(no quotes)10:01
edvardasthnx seth_k ;] 10:02
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edvardascan i open text files with sudo (like in gnome sudo gedit..) ?10:07
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seth_kwhat do you want to edit them with?10:09
seth_ka gui app, or just a console app?10:09
edvardaswhit Kate10:09
seth_kconsole: "sudoedit /the/file.name"10:09
seth_kkate: "kdesu kate /the/file.name"10:10
edvardasi don't want to edit them with console ;] 10:10
edvardasok, thanks ;] 10:10
seth_kyou must use kdesu with kate or it will crash :)10:10
sctoseth_k thx and bye to all10:11
edvardasbye scto10:11
seth_kbye scto10:11
edvardasi typed "sudo kdesu kate" and it gived me some errors and at then said that kate probably crashed10:12
seth_kno sudo10:13
seth_kjust "kdesu kate"10:13
notNice trick. Seth: why does it ask for _my_ password, not root's? I'm already logged in, duh. And who has permission to do "su"?10:16
seth_knot, anyone in the sudoers file (which is just your account unless you change it)10:16
seth_knot, [K] Ubuntu does not use a root account. It is disabled by default.10:17
seth_kSo the only way to run things with root permissions is to provide your password10:17
seth_kthis makes it easier on new users; they don't have to have 2 passwords to remember10:17
seth_kalso, it increases security because any attacker will normally go after the root account in an exploit10:17
uboturumour has it, rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo10:18
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edvardasi put debs of kde 341 to my sources.list, type sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade, but it doesn't find any new packages to upgrade10:18
seth_kedvardas, what line did you put in your sources.list?10:19
edvardasdeb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main10:19
edvardasthis one10:19
gigaclonim installing Firefox 1.0.610:19
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edvardasis it released?10:20
gigaclonbut the installer is weird10:20
seth_kgigaclon, I wouldn't do that10:20
ubuntuhey, is there something i'm not getting or does kubuntu have a problem with applying the gateway settings from KDE CC?10:20
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seth_kgigaclon, going around apt package management is a Bad Thing(tm)10:20
seth_kgigaclon, you should wait for the security backport.10:20
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seth_kedvardas, right click panel, Help, About KDE... make sure you are not running 3.4.1 already ;)10:21
gigaclonthe copy of firefox that I have is broken10:22
gigaclonit can't install any plugins10:22
ubotuFirefox on warty is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"10:22
seth_kthat's a crappy ubotu though... i'll change it10:22
edvardasseth_k: it's 3.4.0 :}10:23
seth_kubotu forget firefox10:24
ubotuseth_k: i forgot firefox10:24
seth_kubotu firefox is not the newest version available as seen on mozilla.org. However, all the security fixes are "backported" into Ubuntu's version. So although your Firefox is up-to-date, its version number is lower than the current release. Firefox on warty is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes or extensions, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub to "1.0.6"10:24
ubotuseth_k: okay10:24
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edvardaswhich is better amaroK or XMMX ?10:26
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fromozeseth_k: does ubotu have different memos for each channel ?10:26
seth_kfromoze, no10:26
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seth_kbah, I messed up that firefox thing too10:27
fromozeedvardas: amaroK for sure10:27
seth_kubotu forget firefox10:27
ubotuseth_k: i forgot firefox10:27
seth_kubotu firefox is not the newest version available as seen on mozilla.org. However, all the security fixes are "backported" into Ubuntu's version. So although your Firefox is up-to-date, its version number is lower than the current release. To install themes or extensions, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub to "1.0.6"10:27
ubotuseth_k: okay10:27
seth_kthere we go10:27
seth_ksorry for botspam10:27
gigaclonnow I can't get Java to install for anything10:28
gigaclonI have tried everything10:28
seth_kdid you install a mozilla.org firefox package?10:28
seth_kthen the instructions at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java should work10:29
gigaclonbut they don't10:29
gigacloni install the package thru synaptic and still doesn't work10:29
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edvardasbye to all10:31
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jjessei have as well10:41
jjessefollowed the instructions posted but receive an error 10:41
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mchonishi.. I need help installing firefox10:44
mchonisI downloaded the tar.gz file from mozilla.org10:44
mchonisbut when I extracted the files and tried to run the installer, nothing happens10:44
jjessesudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox instead10:45
jjesseor install it through knayptic10:45
mchoniswill it be 1.0.6?10:45
MinuoI have a problem - I want to install koffice4, but when I try to apt-get kword, I get 'kword: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.4.1) but 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.2 is to be installed"10:45
frank_Minuo: looks like you need KDE 3.4.110:45
Minuoand I can't find kdelibs
frank_Minuo: not sure though10:46
mchonisItried to sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox.. but it says the package is not available, but is referred to by another package10:46
mchoniswhat now?10:47
jjesseuse kynaptic and search for firefox?10:47
Minuofrank_: Highest available of kdebase is 3.4.0ubuntu10:47
mchonistried.. all I can get is language packs for it10:47
mchonisbut not firefox itself10:47
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frank_Minuos http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php 10:47
Minuofrank_: Thank you10:47
mchonisso how do I get firefox?10:48
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frank_mchonis: try to install it with synaptic10:49
mchonisI don't have synaptic10:49
frank_install it then, I find it very good, better than kynaptic10:50
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jjessein the search results i just type firefox and it brings up mozilla-firefox10:51
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jjesseand i select it and it installs10:51
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gigaclonnow that I have install the JRE how do I get Firefox to see it10:59
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tiagohas any one here used kxdocker?10:59
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tiagoi just downloaded and installed the deb file but i cant find or run it11:00
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smux`hello. Can i install kubuntu from the livecd ?11:00
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frank_smux`: you need the install cd11:02
mchonisI got firefox off of synaptic11:02
mchonisbut its 1.0211:02
mchonisI want 1.0611:02
mchonisand when I d/l 1.06 off of mozilla.org it wont install11:03
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mchonisthe firefox-installer-bin file that normally would install firefox does nothing11:04
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frank_mchonis: you can still use the 1.0.2 from ubuntu since its patched to current levels11:05
frank_firefox is not the newest version available as seen on mozilla.org. However, all the security fixes are "backported" into Ubuntu's version. So although your Firefox is up-to-date, its version number is lower than the current release. To install themes or extensions, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub to "1.0.6"11:05
stibbydoes kubuntu's firefox use qt?11:13
stibbyotherwise i'll just go and install 1.0.6 like i did with 1.0.411:13
seth_kno firefoxen use qt,  but you can install the gtk-qt engine thing11:13
stibbyi don't want that11:14
stibbyit had some major memory lleek somewhere11:14
seth_kif you say so11:14
seth_kbut the firefox you download from moz.org isn't going to have Qt either11:14
stibbymy whole system would freeze after a while11:14
stibbyi know11:14
stibbyi guess i can just download the plastik theme people keep talking about11:14
stibbyi guess its on the mozilla theme page?11:15
frank_stibby: what is this plastik theme?11:17
nikkiafrank, that's simply not true about 'all security fixes' unless they've updated a firefox package in the last 90 minutes11:17
nikkiafrank, as the version in the repositories is 1.0.2 with the 1.0.4 backports, and 1.0.5 included some security fixes11:17
stibbyfrank_: i hear people talking about it. i better go search the web11:17
nikkiaits starting to annoy me, in fact11:17
frank_stibby: go tools->Themes->Get more themes11:18
stibbyfrank: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=1144211:18
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[eDu] molt b11:22
[eDu] uoch, i'm sorry it wasn't for that channel11:22
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Fra|wayDid you know that in some places, they burn jesters for firewood?11:23
frank_nikkia: I know 1.0.6 is not there yet. It will be in a few days11:23
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m4_I used Synaptic Pack Mangager to download and install SuperKaramba, but the only verions was showing was .35 and the latest is .37.11:25
m4_I would lke to have the latest so I could run the liquid weather theme.11:26
frank_m4_: you can get the latest from backports11:27
m4_what is backports?11:27
frank_(well 0.36, which is good enough)11:27
seth_kand superkaramba isn't at .37, it is at .3611:27
seth_k.37 is only RC1 iirc11:27
m4_ohh, well I need .36 then11:27
Fra|wayBackports = people with NetBIOS ports enabled11:28
smux`I'm amazing. Kde is faster now11:28
ubotusomebody said backports was at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org11:28
Fra|wayOr not :P11:28
m4_I was told to use Synaptic to download and install packages11:28
seth_km4_, that's right. You will add the backports repositories and then use Synaptic to update superkaramba11:28
frank_m4_: backports are extra repositories you can use with synaptic11:28
seth_kso add these two lines to /etc/apt/sources.list , m4_ 11:29
seth_kdeb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted11:29
seth_kdeb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted11:29
seth_kyou will then see a new superkaramba package in Synaptic11:29
gigacloncan some one help me to get firefox to see java11:30
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kakaltogigacon, seen the guide?11:31
m4_okay loaded back up Synaptic Package Manager, looking for these back port extra repositories11:31
gigacloni did that11:31
gigacloncept the second step didn't fail11:31
kakaltogigacon, http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre <--- that?11:31
frank_m4_: hit reload11:31
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gigaclonJAVA on the wiki11:32
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gigaclonI heard ubuntuguide was crap11:32
m4_frank_ do I need to go to console and add those 2 lines seth_k said>11:32
nmorseE17 is really sweet, particularly with the Japan2005 theme11:32
frank_m4_: in a console type kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list11:33
m4_okay Kate text editor opened11:33
frank_you add the 2 lines and save11:33
kakaltogigaclon, I followed that, it worked for me11:34
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m4_frank_ does it matter where in the text file I save it?11:34
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frank_m4_: no11:34
ilba7rany one know what is the defualt font used by kubuntu11:34
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m4_frank_ wouldnt let me save, Do I need to be root?11:35
frank_yeah you need to be root11:36
frank_m4_: in a console type kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list11:36
frank_kdesu makes you root11:36
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Riggzy_LinuxDarn... trying to get a program working via Wine (which has been reported to work), and noones alive on #winehq to help11:38
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m4_frank_ just sittin in console not doing anything when I inputed that command11:38
m4_m4@m4:~$ kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list11:39
gigaclonlook for a popup window11:39
frank_m4_: maybe kate crashed11:39
frank_m4_: go to System->Performance Monitor11:40
frank_kill any kate or kdesu instances11:40
m4_m4@m4:~$ su -11:40
m4_su: Authentication failure11:40
m4_same password11:40
molmolliba7r: looks like "Bitstream Vera Sans"11:40
frank_m4_: root does not have a password11:41
ilba7ri have it but the letters are too bad to read when i use it with evince do not know why though?11:41
frank_m4_: sudo -i gives you a root shell11:41
gigaclonis there a way to remove the names in () in the nick list in Konversation?11:41
ilba7rfrank_ i thought sudo -s give you a root shell11:42
seth_kilba7r, sudo -s gives you a root shell with uncleared environment vars11:42
seth_kilba7r, sudo -i gives you a full root shell11:42
ilba7rthanx seth_k11:43
Riggzy_Linuxmolmol - lol, I was in a store the otehr day, and I jsut started thinking "Hey, that sign is in Apple Garamond!"11:43
m4_frank_ so I dont have a root password?  I did sudo -i.  Umm looking in Performance Monitor didnt see any kate11:44
frank_whatever you can just use nano as your editor as well11:44
molmol:o) You know where I can get Lucida, per chance, like I used in SuSE?11:44
frank_in console11:44
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ubotuI heard sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo11:45
seth_kfrank_, tip: the command "sudoedit" will open $EDITOR, so you don't need "sudo nano blah", just "sudoedit blah"11:45
frank_seth_k: oh, thanks11:46
ilba7rseth_k perhaps you can help me with my font problem. I had evince working great then i messed up the fonts and installed baghira to have a readable desktop. Now when i open files with evince the letters are soo closed together that i can barley distinguifh the words11:47
m4_frank_ Okay, I was able to nano sources.list  , pasted those 2 lines, and saved.11:47
frank_m4_: then hit reload in synaptic11:47
seth_km4_, now reload in synaptic and you will have a new superkaramba11:47
nmorseDadgummit, my voice has been stolen in ##enlightenment11:47
nmorseAnd I don't know why!11:47
nmorseSo says ChanServ11:48
ilba7rthe font is set on the control center to be bitstream vers san11:48
nmorseAnyone know how to get rid of the gold cursor on the iBar in E17?11:48
m4_q: when I got to Root Shell, It prompts for password, I enter it, and it immediately closes.11:48
frank_m4_: and afterwards you might want to comment out the backport repositories again in source.list11:48
seth_kilba7r, no clue11:48
ilba7rseth_k ok can you tell me what is antialiasing fonts11:49
m4_Snypatic Packet Manager, didnt load.  11:49
m4_weird, wtef11:49
ilba7rm4_ try reboot there is something defenitly wrong11:50
frank_m4_: no you cant open synaptic from the root shell11:50
frank_m4_: I can't either11:50
m4_I didnt open it from root shell11:50
frank_m4_: don't know why though11:50
m4_I open both seperately11:50
m4_both keep closing11:50
m4_I click Terminal Session -> Root Shell11:51
m4_I try to load SYnaptic, it closes11:51
ilba7rm4_ did you try system monitor to see what is opened11:51
m4_process tab.e11:51
ilba7rm4_ wait do you have the sources.list file open? if so synaptic will not open11:51
frank_m4_: um I don't think that matters11:52
m4_no, everyting closed11:53
m4_only Xchat and Process tABLe opened11:53
frank_you could try logout login11:53
m4_I did find 3 instacnes of KDESU in the process table11:53
frank_kill those11:53
m4_killed em11:53
m4_what is Getty?11:53
m4_there is like 5 of those11:53
m4_okay I will log out and come back in11:54
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m4_or do I need to completely restart?11:54
molmolm4_: gettys are the virtual terminals; leave them. Apps closing on you? Are you out of memory (swap space)?11:54
frank_m4_: login out should do it11:55
m4_15,500 KB mem free11:55
m4_430,000 KB Swap Free11:55
chris12349hey all11:56
molmolm4_: Hmm. Clueless.11:56
m4_that good or bad?11:56
m4_okay logging out11:57
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chris12349local/share/Trash/files  <- I've got about 15 gigs of stuff in there. Isn't that my trash can that is supposed to be emptied with "empty trash"11:57
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chris12349does anyone know?11:59
frank_not sure11:59
m4_frank_ I logged out, came back in.  Srarted up Synaptic, and gave me an error.  The following problems were found:12:00
m4_W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net_dists_hoary-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)12:00
m4_W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net_dists_hoary-backports_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)12:00
m4_W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net_dists_hoary-backports_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)12:00
m4_W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net_dists_hoary-backports_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)12:00
m4_W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net_dists_hoary-extras_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)12:00
m4_W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net_dists_hoary-extras_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)12:01
m4_W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net_dists_hoary-extras_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)12:01
m4_W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net_dists_hoary-extras_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)12:01
m4_what went wrong?12:01
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frank_m4_: its ok12:01
frank_just hit reload12:02
frank_and don't flood like that12:02
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m4_humm, SuperKaramba .35-2 is still showing, were is the new?12:02
frank_can you upgrade it now?12:03
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