comadrejamjg59 : ping12:07
=== terrex se va a ver la tele // is going to watch tv
mjg59comadreja: Hi12:13
comadrejamjg59 : I've been told that I should contact you regarding the laptop support12:14
comadrejamjg59 : I'd like to help on that for breezy12:15
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Burgundaviaogra_, afaik, there are no mediawiki debs, anywhere on the internet12:35
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Burgundaviaogra_, if you had read planet.ubuntu a while back you might have learned that, as I blogged about it12:36
herzihmm, new libxrender-dev doesn't include /usr/lib/libXrender.la anymore12:47
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Burgundaviaogra_, apparently I was wrong. Try here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Running_MediaWiki_on_Debian_GNU/Linux01:36
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Burgundaviaogra_, and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=27605701:38
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srbaker1i'm trying tog et fox compiled, from the debian source package (and frmo source) but it's not working, i keep getting:02:32
srbaker1../src/.libs/libFOX-1.2.so: undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion'02:32
srbaker1../src/.libs/libFOX-1.2.so: undefined reference to `XF86VidModeGetModeLine'02:32
srbaker1anyone know anything about this?02:32
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calchow do you make xlibs -42 install with xkeyboard-config ?02:34
calcit keeps failing for me saying the dir isn't empty02:34
calcif xkeyboard-config isn't already installed it just fails with an error 1 in postinst02:34
calchmm i don't need to have xlibs installed apparently though stuff depends on it02:35
calcso its breakage is still not too good02:35
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=== calc found the bug 12743 about it
schweebcalc: rm /etc/X11/xkb/*02:51
mdkecalc, there is a bug which explains how02:58
mdkeyeah i think its 1274302:58
mdkecomment 102:59
calcschweeb: that isn't how to fix it, but it tells how in the bug report03:01
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lupus1010dbus package maintainer here?03:14
lu|awaydaily liveCDs hosed?03:16
lu|awaythe report looks like it is testing ia64, but only amd64 is on the ftp server, and no x8603:18
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danielsdoko: calm down dude, it['s in the process of being fixed, mmmkay?03:42
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danielsinfinity: bing03:48
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infinityYou know what would make me the happiest boy on earth?03:49
lu|awayo/~ all you need is love o/~03:49
infinityLove and millions of dollars, sure.03:50
infinityBut, barring that, installible xbase-clients would be swell.03:50
lu|awaylove is better than X03:51
infinitySure, but I /have/ love.03:51
infinityAnd, much like X, love can sometimes be a drag.03:51
lu|awayI do too, though admittedly she is pretty sure I prefer X to her03:51
danielsinfinity: actually, installable is bad for the time being03:53
danielsinfinity: i need to get everything building externally and then replace it.  which I'm working on.03:53
infinityOh, fine, be picky.  Go for installible and functional, then.03:57
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danielsat least the FTBFSes are more obvious this way03:58
infinityRather, yes.03:59
danielsdo you have a list handy of how many packages are stalling on xbase-clients and xutils03:59
infinityAnything vaguely GNOME-related.03:59
danielscock.  seriously?03:59
davydI'm sure most of it shouldn't be03:59
infinityYeah.  No big deal, though.  It's no more than a few hours of backlog once you get fixed packages uploaded04:00
danielsdaniels@brainfreeze:~/canonical/xorg/monolith/xorg-6.8.2% dpkg-deb -c ~/mirror/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/xbase-clients_6.8.2-10_amd64.deb | grep bin/ | wc -l 9104:00
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danielsi'm working on it04:00
infinityI'll go work on something else while I wait.  Lord knows my TODO is longer than my available time anyway.04:01
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lu|awayif your TODO isn't longer than your available time, you're not interesting ;)04:04
bddebiandaniels: You know much about qmake?04:11
mgalvindang it, the most recent updates cause totem hang, i can't watch marks talk at debconf :(04:15
danielsbddebian: mercifully, no04:16
danielsi'm battling the build system to build imake now04:16
danielsmost arcane thing I've ever seen04:16
danielsand I've seen the X build system using imake04:16
mgalvinnevermind, i think i found a matching bug, 1258404:17
bddebianUgh. :-(04:17
bddebianI need to patch the Makefile but cdbs-edit-patch doesn't expand enough to run qmake to get the make file and if I run it manually it diffs against an empty Makefile :-(04:18
wasabiHmm odd.04:20
wasabiTHis new box is locking up on Starting hotplug subsystem.04:20
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blueyedI need to recompile suexec2 (because of mod_chroot) for Apache. How would I do that?04:31
bddebianapt-get source suexec2 ?04:32
bddebianheh, whooops04:32
blueyedapache2-common is the package, yes. But then? Do I have to apply the patches before?04:32
infinityblueyed : If you have patches to the source, drop those patches in debian/patches, add a new entry to debian/changelog, then run 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us'04:33
infinityblueyed : That will give you your custom build of apache2.04:33
blueyedThanks a lot, infinity. I'll try it.04:34
infinityAnd yes, making suexec build out-of-tree is on my TODO for apache 2.2 packaging.  It gets requested constantly.04:34
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blueyedinfinity: could I also edit the file in the upstream tarball and add a changelog entry, without the patch. would be easier. I need another docroot for suexec only anyway..04:36
bddebianinfinity: I use them but doesn't us have issues with -S -sa?04:36
infinitybddebian : No.  Why would it?04:37
infinitybddebian : It just means "unsigned changes, unsigned source"... You can sign them later with debsign.04:37
bddebianI dunno, I had a problem recently when combining them.  I used to always use -us -tc04:37
infinityI use "-uc -us -S -sa" with many Ubuntu builds, then debsign when I'm ready to upload.04:38
bddebianOh, you sign them after the fact then04:38
infinityMakes no sense to sign everything you build, just stuff you plan to distribute.04:38
blueyedCan I just edit /debian/rules ?04:39
infinityblueyed : If all you need to "patch" is debian/rules, then yes, edit that.04:39
infinityblueyed : debian/patches is just for patches against the upstream source.04:39
infinityblueyed : Anything under debian/ is fair game to edit directly.04:40
bddebianinfinity: Do you know qmake?04:40
infinitybddebian : Even if I did, I wouldn't admit to it.04:40
infinity(Also, no, I don't, thankfully)04:40
bddebianDang it.  It's a simple patch04:41
blueyedGreat. What is the changelog entry for? Will the version number be taken thereof? I once build openssh-server patched and apt keeps asking me to update to the same (original) version.04:42
infinityblueyed : The package version is taken from the changelog, yes.04:44
infinityblueyed : In 99% of packages, anyway.04:45
blueyedSo I add "-myname" at the end?04:45
bddebianblueyed: dch -i04:45
infinityAvoid dashes.04:45
infinity+ would be good.04:45
infinity2.0.54-2ubuntu1+blueyed (or whatever)04:46
blueyedThanks, infinity. What do you mean, bddebian?04:46
infinityMore than one dash in a version number could cause undefined behaviour with some package managers, since it's not valid.04:46
infinityblueyed : If you install "devscripts", "dch -i" will start up a new changelog entry for you automagically.04:47
bddebianblueyed: dch is a debhelper script to edit the ChangeLog.  -i increments the version by 104:47
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abarbacciahey guys - whats the status of breezy - useable?04:49
bddebianOf course04:50
bddebianAs long as you don't mind a little bit of pain now and again ;-)04:50
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abarbacciabetter question - 04:50
abarbacciai have a rio carbon and its saying it doesn't like the USB port in hoary - think it'll work in breezy04:50
blueyedThank you guys, it builds. infinity: please think about a solution to not have to (patch and) compile it everytime from source when you need another docroot (like with mod_chroot).04:51
bddebianabarbaccia: That, I don't know.04:51
lupus1010it's kernel depended thing?04:52
carstenhhow do I escape ^ in the ubuntu-wiki?04:52
carstenhmaybe it it possible to use its ASCII-code?04:53
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bddebianinfinity: Well do you at least know in a cdbs package, if I diff the Makefile manually will it be created by the time patch runs?04:58
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robitaillecarstenh: just type ^   It seems to work for me...05:00
robitaillebut wiki questions are probably better on #ubuntu-doc05:01
carstenhrobitaille: does not work for me :/ i will just add a note like "imagine /\ as what you get when you press shift-6" ;) thanks 05:02
robitaillecarstenh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TestTitle05:04
robitailleand probably not everyone in the world  gets ^ with shift-6.05:05
carstenhrobitaille: strange, thanks :)05:06
carstenhrobitaille: then it should work on my wiki too. i'll test it again :)05:07
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danielsinfinity: when are we transitioning?05:09
danielsinfinity: i'm ready to do my part of it (and fix xlibs as part of the bargain) whenever05:09
carstenhrobitaille: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TestTitle <- my problem were two ^ one one line05:10
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mrd`I'm sure the devs are working on it, but is there any update (or anywhere I can check) on the status of fixing xbase-clients?  (The bugzilla report doesn't have much info.)05:17
lu|awaydaniels: you should put xbase-clients info in /topic ;)05:18
ajmitchbddebian: /win 3605:18
TerminXrol, I see people do that so many times a day..05:19
ajmitchbddebian: mistake, don't worry :)05:19
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danielsmrd`: 'i'm packaging like a monkey on speed'05:21
TerminXyou should append a "shut up and deal with it" to the end of the topic ;)05:22
mrd`daniels: I figured as much. :)05:22
mrd`TerminX: I'm dealing with it, I'm just interested in the status of things.05:22
TerminXmrd`: oh, I wasn't aiming that comment at you specifically05:22
TerminXI just imagine people have been asking 24/705:23
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mrd`TerminX: Ah, yeah.05:23
lu|awayI demand #daniels05:23
lu|awaywith a bot echoing his every terminal command05:23
danielslu|away: come up with a g-t patch to facilitate that and it will be done05:24
mrd`Or just setup vnc so that everyone using breezy can connect and watch. :)05:24
TerminXsomebody should come up with a g-t patch to make the tabs wrap around (so when you hit next tab on the last tab, it goes to the first tab.. you know, like every other tabbed application anyone uses ;)05:24
danielslu|away: you're an engineer, aren't you?05:25
danielsTerminX: you're telling me05:25
danielsand to allow you to move tabs around05:25
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TerminXit's probably shit simple to do05:25
mrd`But, that's just me. :)05:25
TerminXI mean, Gaim can do it.. surely hacking it into g-t couldn't be /that/ difficult05:26
lu|awaydaniels: so I hear05:27
lu|awaydaniels: some day I plan to engineer the notetaking app I just blogged about05:27
lu|awaydaniels: and then I will be done forever, vanishing in a dark cloud of social science05:28
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blueyedNow I've build my own Apache2 package (with another configure docroot option for suexec2), but the error stays the same: "cannot get docroot information (/var/www)". "suexec2 -V" says: "-D AP_DOC_ROOT="/"" - but thats probably another issue then.. :/05:41
blueyedit's with mod_chroot and mod_fastcgi05:42
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danielsinfinity: ?06:30
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truluxfabbione: hey06:44
fabbionehey trulux 06:45
truluxfabbione: how's it going?06:46
truluxfabbione: do you mind if I /query you?06:46
fabbionetrulux: just woke up06:51
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KosaiHello.  I'm running a hoary install on powerpc, and I mistyped the first screeen of "set new root password".  Now, every time I go back into that menu, it prompts me to retype the password (which I don't know, because it was mistyped) correctly, and won't let me give an initial password again.07:29
KosaiHas anyone seen this before/does anyone have a suggestion for what I can do?07:29
truluxfabbione: heh, I woke up one day ago ;)07:33
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sfvtKosai: that question would be more appropriate on #ubuntu... that said, from what you've said I'm not sure what you're talking about :) 07:50
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truluxpitti: heya!09:01
pittiGood morning09:02
truluxpitti: what's up?09:02
truluxpitti: just woke up? :)09:02
pittitrulux: yes, I slept far too long today09:02
truluxpitti: argh, not my case. I needed to do some work09:04
truluxI will go to sleep in a few hours09:04
truluxlike the Cookie monster :)09:04
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truluxJaneW: morning!09:20
JaneWhi trulux09:21
truluxJaneW: how's it going?09:21
JaneWtrulux: good thanks and you?09:22
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highvoltagedavyd: i think he's dead.09:27
sladenhe might be too busy poking samira09:28
jsgotangcoJaneW: hi!09:28
Mithrandirdavyd: pong?09:29
davydMithrandir: I'm told you're the man to talk to with regards to amd6409:29
Mithrandirdavyd: that's correct09:29
davydMithrandir: have you spent much time doing dev in a chroot?09:30
Mithrandirwell, it depends on what I'm doing.  I've used them a fair amount, sure.09:30
davyddo you know why gdb wouldn't work?09:30
davydI get a 'generic error' and gdb has to be killed from the command line09:30
Mithrandirhm, sounds weird.09:31
Mithrandiris proc mounted?09:31
JaneWhi jsgotangco 09:32
davyd(gdb) r09:32
davydStarting program: /bin/ls09:32
davyd[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] 09:32
davydError while reading shared library symbols:09:32
davydCannot find new threads: generic error09:32
JaneWwhy so much poking? ;)09:32
infinitydaniels : I'm ready anytime this evening to make everything happy.09:32
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Mithrandirdavyd: kernel version?09:33
Mithrandirdavyd: hm, weird.  My amd64 development system still isn't unpacked after I moved, so I don't have a full breezy devel system (that is, breezy base system ++), so it might be kernel-related.  I've never seen it before, at least.09:34
davydMithrandir: I'm running my chroot with `linux32 dchroot -d`09:34
davydeverything else seems to be working sanely09:34
davydexcept for gdb09:34
Mithrandirit's a 32 bit chroot?09:35
davydindeed, I installed 32-bit breezy into it09:35
davyd[davyd@floyd-chroot shading-scale] $ file /bin/ls09:35
davyd/bin/ls: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped09:35
Mithrandirtry LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 gdb /bin/ls (inside the chroot)09:36
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danielsinfinity: now?09:36
davydMithrandir: neat09:36
davydthat worked09:37
Mithrandirdavyd: it worked?09:37
davydhang on, I'll try something more involving09:37
infinitydaniels : The sooner, the better.  What do you have for me?  glu shlibs changed back to libglu1, provides changed to libglu1, libclu1c2, and fixed xbase-clients?09:37
Mithrandirdavyd: ok, then you've either tickled a bug in the 32 bit emulation in the kernel or a bug in glibc.  Congratulations. :-)09:37
danielsinfinity: glu shlibs changed back to libglu1, provides changed to libglu1, libglu1c209:37
danielsinfinity: xbase-clients love is progressively slamming into NEW09:38
infinitydaniels : Rock.09:38
danielsinfinity: and I don't have anything better to do with my life tonight, so hopefully I'll get it done09:38
Mithrandirdavyd: to be honest, I don't care _too_ much about the 32 bit support on amd64, but it should be fixed, I agree09:38
infinityLife is overrated.09:38
danielsinfuliits aren't09:38
davydMithrandir: well, at least it works now09:38
davydI can get some work done ;)09:39
infinitydavyd : What happens if you chroot into your 32-bit chroot without invoking linux32 first?09:39
Mithrandirdavyd: it looks like a kernel bug.09:39
infinitydavyd : It could just be a personality bug.09:40
danielsinfinity: -43 uploaded09:40
davydinfinity: same issue09:40
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davydMithrandir: will you put that upstream for me? you seem to have some better idea of what's going wrong here09:41
Mithrandirinfinity: I can reproduce it on a completely different system with kernel.org 2.6.10 and debian's userland09:41
infinityMithrandir : Joy.09:42
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Mithrandirinfinity: which is why I jumped to the conclusion "kernel bug".09:43
Mithrandirdavyd: I can see what I can do.09:43
davydMithrandir: cheers, dude09:43
davydyou've saved me having to reinstall 32-bit on my machine09:43
Amaranthzoom in all the way on that :D09:44
Mithrandirdavyd: it seems related to the NPTL (a new thread library which was added support for in 2.6) support, which is why using the LD_ASSUME_KERNEL trick fixes it.09:46
Mithrandiror "fixes"09:46
jsgotangcoAmaranth, oohh it even had landing spots09:47
carlospcthere is anybody who knows what happens with the udebs in arch?09:47
carlospcthey go to universe/debian-installer or directly to main/debian-installer?09:47
jsgotangcoAmaranth, bwahahaha09:48
j^this is cool http://liihs.irit.fr/dragice/foldndrop/09:51
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infinityKamion : ping.10:08
infinityKamion : How much do I have to slip you under the table to do some NEW processing? (specifically gcc-4.0 binaries, and anything daniels will/has upload(ed) today)10:09
Mithrandirinfinity: two cases of beer10:09
danielsKamion: please don't NEW anything I've uploaded until xorg 6.8.2-43 is safely in the archive10:10
danielsotherwise its binaries will get rejected10:10
infinitydaniels : Some of your NEW stuff replaces stuff built by -43?10:10
danielsand ... I think people want xlibs fixed10:10
danielsinfinity: yeah10:10
infinitydaniels : <stare>10:11
danielsinfinity: annoying, but the fastest way to actually end up with a fixed x{libs,base-clients}10:11
danielsinfinity: need to kick more libraries out in order to build more apps in order to make xbase-clients actually contain stuff10:11
infinitydaniels : Sure, but why have the xorg source building stuff that you're also building in new sources?10:11
Mithrandirinfinity: because he likes smoking crack.10:12
danielsinfinity: because it takes time to split it out10:12
Mithrandirinfinity: and rene is going to go mad about it, I guess.10:12
danielsand I'd rather not wander further behind :P10:12
infinitydaniels : Doesn't take much time to remove stuff from debian/control. :)10:12
danielsinfinity: eww.10:12
infinityMithrandir : Yes, things go insane when you try to upload a package that produces binaries with older versions than what's already in the archive.  We had this problem last week. :)10:13
Mithrandirinfinity: I'm one of the amd64 ftp-masters in debian, I know. :-)10:14
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Mithrandirsladen: where is your thinkpad accelerometer love?10:15
sladenMithrandir: http://www.paul.sladen.org/thinkpad-r31/aps/10:16
sladenMithrandir: mjg59 sent me a pathc to do mlocking and daf some stuff to fix up a glut difference between libraries versions10:17
Mithrandirsladen: it only requires userspace support?10:18
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sladenMithrandir: and I need to add caliation (robot101's laptop happened to sit around zero anyway)10:18
sladenMithrandir: kernel space good, user space better10:18
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Mithrandirsounds good.  Planning on ITP-ing it?10:18
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sladenMithrandir: could do.  Oh, the stuff to park the heads needs some kernel space as the ATA queue needs to be locked as well as just parking the heads so that other commands don't poceed to unpark it10:20
Mithrandirthat sounds like something which should go in there in general, though10:21
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fabbionehey seb128 !10:23
fabbioneseb128: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12822 <-10:23
pittihi seb12810:24
fabbionehey pitti10:24
seb128hey pitti 10:25
seb128fabbione: Debian has the same issue?10:25
fabbioneseb128: yes..10:25
fabbionei could reproduce it with the new binutils10:25
fabbioneit will come up as soon as you will start uploading to debian10:25
seb128so the new uploads on Debian are silently fucked too?10:26
Kamioninfinity: well, I can do, but elmo should be around soon ...10:26
fabbionethere is no silently fuckage..10:26
seb128how great10:26
fabbioneseb128: it has always been working that way on sparc10:26
fabbioneseb128: it's --as-needed that is fucked in binutils on sparc.. a corner case i would say10:26
seb128fabbione: it builds fine but it's broken and you have no idea of what package are b0rked then, no?10:26
fabbioneseb128: the libs on sparc always had that extra info `_PROCEDURE_LINKAGE_TABLE_'10:27
fabbioneseb128: except that with the old binutils it was linking corrently10:27
fabbionewith the new ones it fails with that error10:27
Kamiondaniels: (similarly, if you want stuff not NEWed until xorg's in, best tell elmo)10:27
fabbioneit's a regression10:27
fabbionethe libs are all ok10:27
infinityKamion : Well, the X stuff needs to be done in a specific order anyway, so we can wait for elmo, but gcc-4.0 would be nice, so it's no longer blocking doko doing another upload (the current one needed some bootstrapping love, and I'd like to get over that hump)10:27
danielselmo: please don't NEW anything of mine until xorg 6.8.2-43 hits, tkhx10:28
danielser, 'kthx'10:28
Kamioninfinity: ok, one sec10:28
seb128fabbione: hum. Fixing binutils will fix the issue for everything or we will have to rebuild the packages which have not built correctly?10:28
Amaranthdaniels: waiting to finish everything once and for all before doing a -43?10:29
fabbioneseb128: it will fix for everything. no need to rebuild. just kick back the FTBFS10:29
Kamion---- copyright of lib32gfortran0_4.0.1-2ubuntu2_amd64.deb ----10:29
KamionWARNING: No copyright found, please check package manually.10:29
fabbioneseb128: basically there is no lib breakage.10:29
dokoKamion: gcc-4.0 should beNEW'd (32/64 bit objc/gfortran runtime libs)10:29
Kamiondoko: ^-- yo, fix that dude10:29
seb128fabbione: so we "just" have to fix binutils :p10:29
fabbioneseb128: exactly :)10:29
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Kamionoh, hmm, its doc dir is a symlink to gcc-4.0-base10:30
fabbionedoko: can you fix that in the next upload?10:30
Kamiondoko: never mind, I think fernanda/whatever is just confused10:30
daniels * Copyright 1993 by Sun Microsystems, Inc. Mountain View, CA.10:30
daniels *10:30
daniels[...] 10:30
daniels * Author:  Chris D. Peterson, MIT X Consortium10:31
danielsTHANKYOU, SUN10:31
danielsit's ok10:31
danielswe didn't want to distribute it anyway10:31
dokoKamion: ehh, there's nothing to fix. /usr/share/doc/lib32gfortran0 -> gcc-4.0-base10:31
Kamiondoko: yeah, as I just said ...10:31
danielsAmaranth: nope, but -43 builds some stuff still that has been uploaded in subsequent modular packages10:31
dokoahh, ok, was checking this in another window ... ;)10:31
danielsAmaranth: so -43 will get automatically rejected if it gets processed after the modular stuff10:31
Kamiondoko: hmm, looks like installing just libgfortran0-dev will leave you with a dangling symlink in /usr/lib32/ (since it doesn't depend on lib32gfortran0) - not sure if that's the right thing to do10:32
Kamionthen again I don't really know the lib32/lib64 standards10:32
Kamiondoko: rest looks fine, accepted10:33
dokoKamion: old problem. yes, maybe I should have a lib32gfortran-dev package to compete with the count of xorg's binary packages.10:33
Kamiondoko: heh, yeah, I'm not sure that alternative's any better. :-)10:33
danielshey, xorg doesn't have many binary packages10:34
danielsdoing an ls in xorg-6.8.2/debian/ now fits in my screen10:35
danielsdoko: did you get to look at that patch?10:35
dokoKamion: currently you have to know what to install for biarch builds. maybe gcc64-4.0 / gfortran64-4.0 dependency packages would work10:35
dokodaniels: s/packages/packages anymore/ ;)10:35
dokowhich one?10:35
dokodepends on the font size and the resolution10:35
danielsdoko: the one to fix the optimising away of volatile accesses10:36
danielsdoko: 208 files10:36
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dokoyep, it's not in mainline, not even proposed as a patch. I did a test build on i386, but have to the same on our other architectures as well.10:37
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dokodaniels: wait, it was committed to 4.0 tonight, so the next upload should have it10:40
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danielsdoko: alright, sweet deal, thanks10:43
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danielsI don't know why I just tried to increment 1:3.5.2-1 to 1:3.5.2-3810:49
sivangdaniels: what was that Sun software you were turned off by? :-)10:49
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sivangseb128: anything new re lp integration? did you check my patch?10:50
danielssivang: that's not a licence.  it's a copyright statement and a warranty disclaimer.  i.e., no grant of rights.10:50
sivangdaniels: bah, but what does it copyright?10:50
danielssivang: part of libXt10:50
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seb128sivang: I'll do that this morning10:52
danielsgod I hate libXaw10:53
TerminXdaniels: libxrender-dev seems to be missing libXrender.la10:53
danielsanything where configure runs an ed script on the local copy of libtool to fix it ...10:53
Treenaksdaniels: let's just drop it then10:53
danielsTerminX: it's deliberate10:53
danielsTreenaks: good plan!!10:53
TerminXwhere is libXrender.la then?10:53
danielsTerminX: /dev/null10:53
danielsi can't even remember why I'm packaging libXaw10:53
Treenaksdaniels: who needs it anyway, in this age of GTK10:53
danielssome app wanted some library which wanted libXaw which wanted libXPm which wanted something else10:53
sivangseb128: sure, just wanted to know if there anything wrong with the patch so I could fix it up quicky, I know we are in a hurry with this10:54
danielsTerminX: if anything in /usr/lib still contains references to it, it needs a bug filed on it and a rebuild10:54
TerminXgnome-terminal tries to link against it.10:54
danielsTerminX: so you need to find out what's causing that (hint: grep -r libXrender.la /usr/lib) and file bugs10:54
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infinityTerminX : Where is it doing so?10:55
seb128_elmo: gcalctool (incoming) sync please10:56
seb128_sivang: I'll do that this morning10:56
TerminXinfinity: I dunno, I tried to build it and it has -lXrender in its Makefile10:57
AmaranthTerminX: get rid of it? :)10:57
infinityNothing inherently wrong with -lXrender.10:57
TerminX/usr/lib/libXft.la:dependency_libs=' -lfontconfig /usr/lib/libfreetype.la -lz -L/usr/X11R6/lib /usr/lib/libXrender.la -lX11'10:57
infinityIt's libtool that's off looking for sily .la files.10:57
TerminXand a whole bunch of KDE shit.10:57
infinityTerminX : Which architecture?10:58
fabbioneah finally.. scsi-modules status starts to look much better :)10:58
infinityTerminX : Are you up to date?10:58
TerminXnot on libxft2, actually10:58
sivangseb128_: sure, let me know if you need any fix on the first gedit patch10:58
TerminXI have it held because the new version fucks up my fonts on /.10:58
infinityTerminX : I think I may have uploaded a fixed libxft very recently. :)10:58
danielsi also hate autoconf10:58
Treenaksdaniels: do you know of a better alternative?10:59
sivangdoes anybody know if I can use plain patch to apply a debdiff ?10:59
sivang(that is, the plain patch program)10:59
seb128_sivang: k, thanks10:59
Treenakssivang: of course10:59
danielsand Xaw10:59
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danielsTreenaks: that's the tragedy -- no10:59
TerminXinfinity: fixed in what way?  I just don't like how 2.1.7 renders fonts opposed to 2.1.2 I think10:59
infinityTerminX : I didn't touch rendering stuff, I mean I fixed the build issue.11:00
sivangTreenaks: thx11:00
danielsTerminX: in that case, you lose11:00
Treenaksdaniels: "drcar" (Daniel's Really Cool Autoconf Replacement)11:00
danielsi may be stupid, as evidenced by the fact I'm maintaining X11:01
danielsbut I'm not *that* stupid11:01
TerminXoh well, /. sucks anyway11:01
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infinitydaniels : Did xorg have NEW binaries?11:02
danielsinfinity: nope, it got ACCEPTED directly11:02
danielsshould have landed by now11:02
infinityI said binaries, not source.11:02
infinityNEW binaries get hung up after the buildds upload.11:02
infinitySo, did anything in debian/control get added? :)11:03
infinity(The builds are suspiciously hanging out in "Uploaded", despite a cron.daily run since they were uploaded...)11:03
Kamionno xorg in NEW11:04
Kamionxserver-xorg-core |   6.8.2-43 |        breezy | amd64, i386, powerpc11:04
infinityOh.  Guess it's just taking its sweet time jenniferring everything.11:04
infinityOr, katie and wanna-build aren't on speaking terms about what "installed" means.11:05
Kamioncron.daily's still running11:05
truluxJaneW: fine too :)11:05
infinityKamion : That'd explain it. :011:05
Kamionunless you mean the :33 cron.daily, which is well finished11:05
infinityKamion : Hard to say.  I /think/ they were uploaded before :33, but maybe I'm on crack.11:05
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infinityNo big deal.  They'll get in sync again soon.11:06
infinityAnd I need ia64 anyway, before we start asking for other stuff to be NEWed.11:06
Kamionamd64 was accepted at :45, i386/powerpc at :5011:07
Kamionso all's fine11:07
infinityAhh, kay.11:07
infinityI just have poor time-keeping skillz.11:07
infinityAnd ia64's just fnishing up now.  Yay.11:08
fabbioneinfinity: i guess i should skip xorg build on sparc until -44.. right?11:08
fabbioneit won't manage to build that fast11:08
infinityIf you don't build any of daniels' other new uploads, xorg is fair game.11:09
fabbioneinfinity: what's the new stuff?11:09
fabbione(i can temporary mark it as N-F-U)11:09
infinityMore stuff broken out.  I'm sure Kamion could give you a list. :)11:09
infinityI have no such list myself.11:10
Kamionumm ... looks like: imake libxt xsetmode iceauth libxmu libxkbfile xhost xdpyinfo libxpm11:11
Kamionat the moment11:11
fabbioneKamion: thanks11:12
fabbionei guess i will have to see them first...11:13
infinitydaniels : You're breaking out imake?  Dear god.11:13
fabbioneotherwise w-b will complain about packagename/version11:13
infinityfabbione : No, take name_1, then -n name_111:13
fabbioneinfinity: that's the easiest one to do :)11:13
danielsKamion: sounds about right11:13
infinityfabbione : Then later, just --forget them all, and they'll come back with the right versions in the next cron.daily.11:14
fabbioneinfinity: right :)11:14
infinityThere, and ia64 uploaded.  Yay.11:15
danielsalso libxaw libxtrap libxxf86{dga,misc,vm} libdmx libfs11:15
infinityStupid slow Itanics.11:16
Kamionhmm, need d-i byhand to fix some localechooser issues so I can test a tzsetup fix so ...11:16
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dokodaniels: which part of xorg needs the fixed gcc?11:16
danielsdoko: xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg-driver-i810 (both still part of the xorg source package)11:16
danielsinfinity: i thought ia64 was a port?11:16
dokook, so you will wait on the next gcc?11:16
fabbionedaniels: danke11:16
infinitydaniels : Yes, but it's handled in the DC, so it's mine anyway.11:17
infinitydaniels : If I can avoid screwing it over by waiting 20 minutes before doing something, I will.  If I have to wait a day, screw it.11:17
dokodaniels: when is imake uploaded/available?11:18
infinitydoko : When Kamion/elmo pushes it through queue/NEW.11:18
infinitydoko : Which can happen any time after the next cron.daily.11:18
infinity(Well, I guess imake could go now, since it's completely new, but may as well wait for the other pseudo-new stuff to be ready)11:19
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fabbioneKamion: a udeb growing from 1.2M to 1.4M is acceptable?11:23
Kamionfabbione: should be ... which one?11:23
fabbioneKamion: scsi-modules on i38611:24
fabbionesparc is from 300K to 900K. but it's unsupported so you don't care :)11:24
fabbionethe others are still unknown11:24
infinityDamn those upstream fellows writing new drivers.11:24
infinityHow dare they?11:24
fabbionethey fail later at net modules (cleaning it up now)11:24
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danielsPermission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software for any11:25
danielspurpose and without fee is hereby granted, provided that the above11:25
danielscopyright notice appear in all copies and that both the copyright notice11:25
danielsand this permission notice appear in supporting documentation.11:25
danielsis that acceptable?11:25
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danielsdoko: note that I haven't done xmkmf yet; xbase-clients is far more high-impact11:25
infinitydaniels : It's free.11:25
Kamionfabbione: that's fine, the only initrds it's in are cdrom and hd-media11:25
danielsdoko: -44 will wait on the next DFSG, right11:25
danielser, next gcc.  christ.11:25
infinitydaniels : The documentation clause is just slightly less irritating than the advertising clause.11:25
danielsinfinity: thanks11:25
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danielsoh my god11:26
daniels/* Copyright 1991 NCR Corporation - Dayton, Ohio, USA */11:26
danielsWOW, USEFUL11:26
infinitydaniels : Unless you consider "supporting documentation" to mean "the palce where you'd put the license", then it's not even irritating, just poorly worded.11:26
fabbioneKamion: ok thanks11:26
fabbioneKamion: if the same % of growing/shrink will be achieved on ppc and amd64, i will kill scsi-common-modules and scsi-extra-modules11:27
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Kamionfabbione: argh11:27
fabbioneKamion: it's so MUCH easier with one list!11:27
Kamionfabbione: make me completely upend debian-installer/build/pkg-lists/, why don't you11:27
Amaranthdaniels: it doesn't have a license?11:27
fabbioneKamion: why don't I ??11:28
fabbionefor that size i could kill scsi-core-modules too.. 11:29
Amaranthdaniels: is /usr/X11R6/lib/libXxf86vm.la going to exist anymore?11:29
dokodaniels: just wanting to have something to build OOo2 with. I can avoid xbase-clients, disabling KDE, but imake is somewhat needed.11:30
Amaranthdaniels: err, just libXxf86vm.la in any location11:30
danielsAmaranth: ... it has never existed, and never will.11:31
danielsAmaranth: nope, just a copyright statement, i.e. all rights reserved11:31
Kamionfabbione: the udeb names are hardcoded in debian-installer. If you remove udebs, I have to mess with its build system11:31
danielsat least, to the parts of that file that NCR wrote, and christ only knows what that is11:31
danielshooray for opaque development processes!11:31
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fabbioneKamion: *SHRUGS*11:32
Amaranthdaniels: ok, i was told it was needed for wxwidgets2.6 :/11:32
mjg59daniels: So, dude, i810 EXA?11:32
danielsAmaranth: if wxwidgets did it, they're on crack and they were just making crap up11:32
Kamionother stuff depends on that, like cdrom-core-modules11:32
danielsmjg59: haven't had time to redo it, no11:32
Kamionand firewire-core-modules, usb-storage-modules, sata-modules11:33
danielsmjg59: every waking moment has been either work, modular server to get ready for r7rc0, or, on some rare occasions, beer11:33
fabbioneKamion: i was kidding about scsi-core :)11:33
Kamiongood ;-)11:33
Kamionscsi-common-modules isn't that bad11:34
Kamionat least other stuff doesn't depend on it ...11:34
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fabbioneKamion: i might have to keep scsi-common-modules, but scsi-extra will go away 99,9%11:34
fabbionei can only complete the check once i can build udebs everywhere11:35
KamionI can cope with that11:35
fabbionebut at least we:11:35
fabbionea) get less udebs around11:35
fabbioneb) i gain more sanity points keeping stuff alligned11:35
Kamionfair enough11:35
fabbionec) i will not get disqualified trying to kill the d-i allmighty11:36
fabbioned) the size is approx the same11:36
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danielsREALLY HATE XAW11:37
Kamionfabbione: that said, it probably kills any possibility of floppy builds ever11:38
Kamionfabbione: the point of scsi-extra-modules is that it doesn't go on the cd-drivers floppy11:38
Kamionbut is available for cdrom etc.11:38
fabbioneKamion: we can reevaluate the floppy thing later on.. right now i need to get this thing a bit more clean..11:39
Kamionmm, right11:39
fabbioneKamion: if your floppy plan is for breezy+1 we can certainly improve the situation  A LOT11:39
fabbionestarting from a root problem of unalligned kernel configs11:40
fabbione-> ~ same drivers all over11:40
fabbione-> ~ same udebs set11:40
fabbioneat that point splitting for size becomes easier11:40
Kamionfloppy for 2.6 probably requires initramfs, which I doubt I'll have time to do before breezy11:40
Kamionso breezy+1 sounds reasonable11:41
fabbioneKamion: that too..11:41
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infinitydaniels : How long until -44?11:42
Amaranthwe don't even have -43 yet, do we?11:43
Amaranthi mean, it's been uploaded11:43
infinitydaniels : If it's more than a day or two, feel free to remove any reference to libglu1c2 in your debian/control, I'll get everything rebuilt ASAP. :)11:43
infinityAmaranth : It's in the archive.11:43
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danielsxaw is made of stupid11:45
danielsinfinity: yeah11:45
danielsinfinity: did we come to a consensus on whether or not we could kill it?11:45
infinitydaniels : Or, don't worry about tweaking it at all, if you're just going to remove it completely and move mesa to main.11:45
danielsinfinity: (kill libglu1-xorg* altogether)11:46
danielsinfinity: is it feasible?11:46
danielsi mean, did we end up agreeing sbuild would die, or what?11:46
danielsi can't remember11:46
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infinitydaniels : Oh, right.  THe sbuild case.  Well, if libglu1-xorg is COMPELTELY gone, we might be okay.  I'd have to either look at the code and refresh my memory, or do a test run, to be sure.11:47
danielsinfinity: 'kay11:47
danielsinfinity: your wish is my command11:47
infinitydaniels : Does anyone have versioned build-deps on libglu1-xorg-dev?11:47
infinitydaniels : If not, we can just cheat and make mesa-dev provide xorg-dev11:48
Kamiongah, the apt-cdrom breakage is reproducible once per install only11:48
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danielsinfinity: i don't see why they would have11:49
infinityDon't see any.11:50
infinityFor that matter, I see almost no build-deps on libglu1-xorg-dev anyway.11:51
infinityAnd I guess that makes sense, since you just recently renamed it, didn't you?11:51
infinitySo, what the heck.  Drop it on the floor, before more poeple decide to put it in their build-deps.11:51
siretartdebian is using libglu1-xorg-dev as build dependency, I think11:52
danielsinfinity: four of them, in universe.  it's fixable.11:52
infinitydaniels : Yeah, exactly.  No big deal.11:52
infinitysiretart : THat's a case that only concerns us for sync and merges, which are all by-hand right now anyway.11:52
Lathiatbleh, your breaking all the gl build-deps again?11:52
infinitysiretart : And by breezy+1, maybe we'll be pushing modular X into Debian..11:53
infinityLathiat : No, very few, and I'll fix them myself.  Shh.11:53
infinitydaniels : I'm with you on the "multiple libglu packages must go" front.  Convince Kamion to promote mesa to main, and I'll do the package fixes from there.11:53
danielsKamion: what do I need to do to get mesa into main?11:53
danielsinfinity: GET OUT OF MY HEAD11:54
siretartinfinity: you are the gurus, I trust you are deciding what's best for us11:54
infinityKamion : Note that we already support mesa in main anyway, built from a copy of mesa kept in the Xorg source package, so that probably shortcircuits about 99% of the main inclusion policy.11:55
danielsyeah.  the only difference between Mesa in xorg and its own source package is DRI support, which has been fixed upstream.11:55
danielsunfortunately the monolithic build process is very, very attached to an internal copy of GL if we want to have DRI support, so that'll have to go last.11:56
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danielshopefully my previous statement vanishes into scrollback and no-one notices my gross hacks when it comes time to build the server out-of-tree11:57
infinitydaniels : You need the mesa source to build against?.. Can't we just get it to export everything you need and love?11:59
infinitydaniels : Do you statically compile some small chnks of mesa into the server?12:00
danielsinfinity: no12:00
danielsinfinity: the GLcore module is the Mesa software render, retargeted at the server by some horrendously gross hacks12:01
danielsinfinity: it needs deep knowledge of the server and Mesa alike12:01
danielsit needs *significant* code work to be split up for 7.1; we just can't do it in the 7.0 timeframe, regrettably12:01
infinitydaniels : Well, that's a whole lot of ick, isn't it?12:01
danielsinfinity: you're telling me12:01
Kamiondaniels: is it urgent (i.e. before mdz gets back)?12:02
danielsholy SHIT xpaint is slow12:03
infinityKamion : No, it can wait a few days.12:03
infinityroot@lucifer:~ # grep-dctrl -sPackage -FDepends libglu1c2 /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages | wc -l12:03
infinityWell, that's not much work.12:03
danielshint: if you're lagging behind five second on a beefy athlon64, you have already lost12:04
danielsstupid bloated xaw apps12:04
infinityKamion : NEWing all of daniels's other uploads (since xorg is installed everywhere now) would be more urgent, though.  Means I can fix a hojillion FTBFSs, and xbase-clients might actually work again.12:06
fabbioneinfinity: like ghc6?12:07
danielsinfinity: hold your horses, eh12:08
infinitydaniels : My horses are impatient, yo!12:08
infinitydaniels : They're got the attention span of a herd of gnats.12:09
danielsthey'll end up as glue regardless of what happens, so tell them to chill12:09
infinityThey've, too.12:09
tsengdaniels: there's always room for jello12:09
danielstseng: you're not allowed to talk about jelly unless you're bringing me a cup of absinthe jelly12:10
Kamioninfinity: my parents have just shown up, so I'll be out for a bit, but I'll do them when I get back12:10
infinityKamion : Alright, cool.  I can work later tonight, so that works for me.12:10
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NafalloKamion: say hello from me :-)12:10
Amaranthgamin is supposed to be using inotify now, right?12:12
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Amaranth"Inotify device not opened"12:12
Amaranththis is from the log i get when sending SIGUSR2 to gam_server12:12
TreenaksAmaranth: ls -l /dev/inotify12:12
Amaranthcrw-rw-rw-  1 root root 10, 63 2005-07-20 02:03 /dev/inotify12:13
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Amaranthcould it be because muine is using it?12:14
tsengits not locking12:14
Amaranthlsof says mono is the only thing using it12:14
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pittiHi shackan 12:15
Amaranthlooking at this debug log it looks like libgnome-menu or whatever sets up gamin to watch for menu changes isn't working either12:15
Amaranthi've got something watching ~/.config/ but i think it's supposed to be watching ~/.config/menus/12:16
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Amaranthsomething is watching ~/.local too, should be ~/.local/desktop-directories/ and ~/.local/applications/12:17
Amaranth*groan*, i'm going to have to dive into C code12:17
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danielsinfinity: you don't happen to have to hand a list of everything stalled on xbase-clients, do you?12:24
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AmaranthReze_M: Didn't like Saba_Z?12:25
dokoelmo: please sync gmp from unstable12:26
dokoelmo: then promoting libgmpxx3 to main12:33
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Amaranthsyscall(INOTIFY_INIT) is failing, somehow12:54
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fabbioneAmaranth: what apps is failing?12:57
Amaranthfabbione: anything that uses gamin12:58
fabbioneno.. gamin is failing..12:58
Amaranthwell, yeah12:58
AmaranthCould not open /dev/inotify <--because syscall(INOTIFY_INIT); returns -112:58
fabbionewell is /dev/inotify there?12:59
fabbionewhat version of the kernel and what version of gamin?12:59
Amaranthcrw-rw-rw-  1 root root 10, 63 2005-07-20 02:03 /dev/inotify12:59
Amaranthlatest kernel and gamin in breezy, let me check the versions12:59
Amaranthkernel: gamin: 0.1.2-1ubuntu101:00
fabbione        * server/gam_inotify.c server/local_inotify.h: the inotify API01:03
fabbione          changed from file based to syscall, patch from John McCutchan01:03
fabbioneyou need to wait for the next kernel01:03
fabbionei have these changes already merged01:04
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Kamionworth a go01:05
NafalloKamion: I told mine they wouldn't get free support if they didn't switched from XP anymore. didn't work ;-).01:05
Nafallothat "anymore" should be inserted after "support" instead ;-)01:06
Amaranthi'm looking at that patch01:07
Amaranthoh, you mean gamin already has that patch01:07
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sivangTreenaks: so, how do I apply a debdiff to a source package? (I tried using plain poatch, but it asks all sorts of irritating questions)01:08
Treenakssivang: cd package-version; zcat ../package.diff.gz | patch -p101:09
danielsKamion: thanks for NEWing me up01:10
sivangTreenaks: thanks, I will try that now01:10
ogra_W: gnome-humility-icon-theme: extra-license-file usr/share/icons/Humility/scalable/mimetypes/gnome-mime-text-x-copying.svg01:10
ogra_i hate it if lintian is this silly :-/01:10
Kamionno worries01:11
Kamionthat's why we don't implicitly trust lintian output01:11
Kamionit's meant to be run through a sensible human filter01:11
Kamion   * blah blah xpmutils Replaces: xbase-clients (<< 6.8.2-38) blah blah01:12
Kamionthat's a changelog entry? :P01:12
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Kamion+Maintainer: Daniel Stone <daniel.stone@ubuntu.com> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), libx11-dev (>= 1:6.2.1+cvs.20050615-1), x11proto-core-dev, pkg-config Standards-Version:
ogra_do i want a clean package ... hmm01:13
Kamiondaniels: fix that, kthxbye. ;-) (libxpm)01:13
Amaranthall gnome things are using about 15% CPU now that gam_server has died :)01:14
dokoseb128: I'm told that cairo 0.5.2 requires glitz 0.4.4, but ubuntu only has 0.4.001:16
danielsKamion: yearg, thanks01:16
danielsKamion: -3 and -sa?01:16
seb128doko: yeah, we don't build it with glitz atm because of that, that's a build option01:16
seb128doko: is glitz useful?01:17
dokoah, ok, thanks01:17
dokoseb128: I don't know, nor do I care ;)01:17
seb128so why do we ask? We already have 0.5.2 built :)01:17
seb128and they didn't break the API between 0.5.1 and 0.5.201:18
dokojust debian sync, but maybe 0.6.0 will be out soon01:18
seb128there is some new functions but no removal01:18
dokoseb128: could you tell that dajobe?01:18
seb128doko: 0.6.0 this week01:18
seb128and we don't sync on Debian01:18
Kamiondaniels: no -sa, -1's still in queue/new01:18
seb128we don't want to mess the soname as they did01:18
Kamiondaniels: at least I think no -sa01:18
danielsuploading now with no -sa01:19
seb128do we build with -Wl,-O1 by default?01:20
KamionI only looked at -2 first by accident actually01:20
sivangbah, xlibs seems troubled01:21
danielsxlibs is fine01:21
sivangSetting up xlibs (6.8.2-42) ...01:22
sivangrmdir: `/etc/X11/xkb/geometry': Directory not empty01:22
sivangdpkg: error processing xlibs (--configure):01:22
sivang subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 101:22
sivangeh right, I can remove this dir by hand01:22
\shdaniels: u made it actually...u r my hero01:22
danielssivang: WAIT01:23
danielssivang: can you please give me a listing of stuff in there before you do?01:23
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seb128fabbione: do you build with -Wl,-O1 on sparc?01:24
sivangdaniels: hrm, I can give you file list of other dirs there that still cause this error O:-)01:25
sivangdaniels: basically I see it does that for stuff under xkb/ 01:25
fabbioneseb128: i build like everybody else...01:25
fabbioneseb128: no overrides...01:25
seb128fabbione: do we build with that as standard on Ubuntu?01:26
sivangdaniels:  is complains about xkb/rules/ now, want a file list?01:26
seb128fabbione: I flood you by query with #debian-glibc discussion01:26
danielssivang: find /etc/X11/xkb -type f would be very useful, yes01:26
danielssivang: have you customised it at all?  which version are you trying to upgrade from?01:27
mdkethere is a bug on this right?01:27
sivangdaniels: sec01:27
danielsmdke: lots of them01:27
fabbioneseb128: i don't believe it's a -O problem01:27
fabbioneseb128: specially because i can reproduce it in sid01:28
seb128<vorlon> ok, I can reproduce the problem using fabbione's test case, on an alpha running sid with the current binutils and gcc-4.0.01:28
mdkedaniels, ok, i added my problem to 12743. the install it totally default, I haven't changed any links or removed anything by hand01:28
seb128<vorlon> and it's invariant wrt the use of -Wl,-O101:28
fabbioneseb128: exactly :)01:28
seb128fabbione: maybe /j #debian-glibc if you are interested to the issue01:28
mdkedaniels, lemme know if you want any more info posted on that bug01:28
danielsmdke: will do, thanks01:29
sivangdaniels: 6.8.2-4201:29
sivangdaniels: havn't customized it01:29
sivangdaniels: file list:01:29
danielssivang: you're upgrading from 6.8.2-42 to 6.8.2-42?01:29
danielsthat code path won't even *run* in that case :P01:29
sivangdaniels: no, to 6.8.2.-4301:29
danielstry this01:29
danielssudo dpkg --purge --force-depends xkeyboard-config xlibs01:30
danielssudo apt-get install xlibs xkeyboard-config01:30
sivangdaniels: working...01:30
sivangUnpacking xlibs (from .../xlibs_6.8.2-43_all.deb) ...01:31
sivangrmdir: `/etc/X11/xkb/geometry/digital_vndr': Directory not empty01:31
sivangdpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs_6.8.2-43_all.deb (--unpack):01:31
danielsmdke: ok, looks like you just need -4301:31
sivang subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 101:31
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sivangErrors were encountered while processing:01:31
sivang /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs_6.8.2-43_all.deb01:31
sivangE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)01:31
danielssivang: ok, that gives me an idea, thanks01:31
mdkedaniels, i will test and report on that bug01:31
sivangdaniels: would you midn explaining the problem ?01:32
danielssivang: that codepath shouldn't even be being run01:32
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danielssivang: since $2 should be empty, so dpkg --compare-versions should bomb01:33
danielsactually, no, dpkg sucks01:33
danielsdaniels@brainfreeze:~/canonical/xorg/app/xsetmode/xsetmode-1.0% dpkg --compare-versions "" lt "6.8.2-43" && echo yeah, definitely a bug01:33
danielsyeah, definitely a bug01:33
sivangdaniels: so I thought so :-)01:33
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sivangmdke: are you going to open that bug?01:35
mdkesivang, i have one open already on my problem01:35
mdkereported by someone else01:36
Amaranthyeah, -42 had the same problem01:36
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sivangmdke: cool01:36
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sivangAmaranth: what did you do to make it work?01:37
danielsok, think I found the problem(s)01:37
sivangdaniels: oh, goody01:37
Amaranthsivang: removed whatever it couldn't01:37
daniels  * Protect against $2 being empty in xlibs.preinst.in, which would cause it01:37
Amaranthsivang: it was a very involved process01:37
daniels    to bomb when we were installing from scratch.  Don't make failures to01:37
daniels    remove directories hard failures.01:37
sivangdaniels: but wouldn't I be left with those dirs when I should really be removing them?01:38
Amaranthno, i'm pretty sure the stuff in those dirs is owned by xkeyboard-config now01:39
sivangAmaranth: yep, just did a check, seems very much so01:40
\shdaniels: i just started dist-upgrade...01:41
mdkethe reason I'm against removing things by hand and linking and stuff is that if everyone does that, the problem doesn't get fixed, then problems occur when people wanna dist-upgrade01:42
Amaranth\sh: we still don't have xbase-clients, you're nuts01:42
sivang\sh: you are supposed to have the same thing, I also just did dist-upgrade01:42
danielsAmaranth: ideally, xbase-clients wouldn't install at all01:42
mdkeit keeps back xbase-clients01:42
danielsAmaranth: so you're stuck back at an older version01:42
danielsAmaranth: this is one of the reasons why I haven't uploaded xdpyinfo01:43
danielsmdke: fortunate thing01:43
Amaranthdaniels: it doesn't but i don't think -10 is new enough01:43
mdkethe computer is smarter than it looks01:43
\shAmaranth: -36 here01:43
Amaranth\sh: oh, you're already on breezy01:43
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\shAmaranth: yesterday I was...yesterday afternoon on hoary...01:43
\shnow back to breezy01:43
\sh\sh 0 xorg 501:43
AmaranthAmaranth 20 xorg 001:44
danielsAmaranth: -10 is better than -x, x >= 3801:44
Amaranth>= 38 won't install at all :)01:44
\shbut I'm bullheaded01:45
danielsAmaranth: this is partially intentional01:45
danielsAmaranth: the plan was to not build it at all for a while, so -36 was the newest version in the archive until we could finish everything01:45
danielsAmaranth: but I buggered that up good and proper, so now I have to finish all the modularisation stuff (libs then programs).  oh well.01:45
Kamiondaniels: you know about lt-nl, right?01:47
Kamiondaniels: should use that rather than checking manually whether $2 is empty01:48
Kamiondaniels: err ... you have uploaded xdpyinfo, I just newed it earlier01:48
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Kamionbinaries aren't newed yet though01:49
dokoKeybuk: sent you an email for MOM01:50
seb128mdke: you are working with it translators, aren't you?01:50
mdkeseb128, yes01:51
seb128mdke: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1281501:52
seb128mdke: can you get that fixed? The it.po has a list separated by spaces instead of '\n'01:52
mdkeseb128, will have a look.01:53
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seb128mdke: thanks01:55
mdkeseb128, is that something I am able to fix directly in rosetta?01:57
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seb128mdke: just change "item1 item2 item3" by "item1\nitem2\nitem3"01:58
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NafalloSimira: ! *hug* LTNS :-)02:02
Simiragood morning all02:03
mdkeseb128, ok done for hoary. will that be sorted for breezy? also, should I send it upstream?02:03
SimiraNafallo : bad internet connection. I think Tollef is on the case right now.02:03
Keybukdoko: am sorting stuff out before my flight right now, will try and get your list in before I leave02:03
Keybukwill take a few hours, and just appear as ordinary MOM output02:03
NafalloSimira: easy solution would be to add a couple of rules to his laptop firewall and route stuff wireless -> lan :-)02:05
NafalloSimira: anyway. OT here. #norsksvenskar ? :-)02:05
seb128mdke: already fixed as said on bugzilla02:05
mdkeseb128, oh sorry misunderstood that, great.02:06
seb128mdke: np, thanks for fixing it02:06
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seb128mdke: ups, not, it's not, I forward upstream02:08
mdkedaniels, #12743 not fixed in -4302:09
danielsmdke: yeah, -4402:10
dokoKeybuk: thanks02:11
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danielsKamion: right, done with libraries now02:21
jameshdaniels: btw, the X library packages in breezy have been causing some Gnome compile problems due to their pkg-config files02:21
danielsKamion: at least, until I get to packaging the modular server.  but that's not going to be tonight, realistically.02:21
danielsjamesh: the -D_XOPEN_SOURCE stuff?02:21
jameshdaniels: yeah02:22
danielsjamesh: yeah, we fixed that upstream a week and a half ago or something02:22
danielsjamesh: i'll merge it down as soon as I get time02:22
danielsgot to make xbase-clients installable first02:22
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jameshdaniels: it looks like xproto.pc still defines _XOPEN_SOURCE02:22
jameshdaniels: is there any reason why the flag is in the .pc file at all?02:22
danielsjamesh: yes, because headers installed by xproto do very bad things to fds_bits02:23
danielsjamesh: which has different behaviour between various _SOURCE flags02:23
danielsjamesh: we fixed it so the _XOPEN_SOURCE was internalised within the header02:23
danielsjamesh: difficult problem to solve, since you couldn't guarantee that Xpoll.h would be included before <sys/select.h>, so you need to have it in cflags02:23
jameshdaniels: it still looks like it is there in CVS: http://cvs.freedesktop.org/xlibs/Xproto/xproto.pc.in?view=markup02:23
jameshdaniels: are the xproto headers included by the libX11 headers?02:24
danielsjamesh: we don't use xlibs anymore02:24
Kamiontry xorg/proto/X11/02:24
danielsjamesh: /xorg/proto/X1102:25
danielsjamesh: in any case, it's a multi-setp fix02:25
danielsjamesh: it also involves deliberately not exposing xproto's cflags through its users02:25
danielsi sense this has to be fixed again later, and it'll be me that fixes it02:25
daniels(it doesn't pass any cflags through -> xproto headers off in some random prefix won't work)02:25
jameshdaniels: the new pkg-config releases have the ability to list "private" dependencies which might be useful here02:25
danielsthere's an interim fix now, will be totally sorted out later02:26
jameshdaniels: useful if you depend on a library but don't expose any of its interfaces through your own02:26
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Kamionpitti: fixed that apt-setup breakage, I think02:36
pittiKamion: you mean the "that's not an ubuntu cd" issue?02:37
pittibecause a manual apt-cdrom add worked after a reboot02:37
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danielsyo pitti02:38
Kamionpitti: yes, it was reversed logic in apt-setup, I'm not actually sure how it used to work02:38
Kamionbecause it succeeded if and only if apt-cdrom failed02:38
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pittiwell, I manually managed to install it anyway, I even managed to fix X. But I gave up when gnome freezed02:39
schlomois it plan to add a script to ubuntu that mount automatically other OS partition  ?02:39
danielspitti: seb is responsible for all of breezy's breakage02:40
pittischlomo: this happens in the installer now (and in the live CD, too, I think)02:40
schlomoit would be great so that people with multi OS can access directly to their parition02:40
schlomopitti : Ubuntu Breezy so ?02:40
Kamionit's already done in the installer dude02:40
pittidaniels: nope, ubuntu-desktop was just uninstallable due to some X breakages, but I was able to fix that (don't ask me how)02:40
Kamionstill need to poke at the live CD a bit, but it's fairly straightforward02:41
danielspitti: yeah, seb's fault02:41
pittidaniels: I don't actually care, I just care that it's fixed eventually :-)02:41
schlomothat's a great feature ;-)02:42
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Amaranthseb's fault? you mean because of libXrender.la?02:45
danielserr, yeah02:46
danielsthat too02:46
seb128what I have done again ? :p02:48
pittiseb128: broke gnome, what else :-)02:48
seb128no way02:49
pittiseb128: I installed daily/amd64 yesterday, and gnome just froze02:49
seb128I blame AudioInfrastructure02:49
seb128who is in charge of that?02:49
pittidunno, but I'd kick the guy very hard02:49
Treenakspitti: LOL02:50
seb128pitti: I talked with upstream, the A/V sync issues we have with totem-gst are due to esdsink, BBB strongly recommend to use alsasink02:50
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pittiseb128: hm, with polypaudio being too unstable, and alsasink not being appropriate for every machine, only esd remains...02:52
pittiseb128: btw, does it work better with polypaudio?02:52
pittiseb128: after finishing the mozilla mess I might have time to fix polypaudio02:52
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seb128pitti: polypaudio sink is not maintained, don't count on using that02:52
seb128polypaudio works quite fine here, but I don't use sound stuff a lot02:53
danielsseb128: dude, VideoPlayback is causing all the problems with xlibs02:53
danielsand xbase-clients02:53
danielsseb128: fix that!02:53
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pittiseb128: no, we won't change esdsink by default, I just mean, does esdsink+polypauido work better than esdsink+esound`02:53
seb128daniels: speaking about that, I've updated the wiki 2 days ago and pinged you here but you were away ... what have you done on the xine split for main? :)02:53
seb128pitti: both work fine for me ....02:54
pittiwell, I use totem-xine, but it works fine02:54
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danielsseb128: er, last I checked most of the patent-screwed stuff already got fixed up by haggai02:55
seb128we can't ship xine02:55
pittiwell, I could actually try gst again, now that I have a super fast new box02:55
pittiseb128: hm?02:55
danielsseb128: but I think it crept back in via a sync02:55
danielsseb128: so I'll check it back out once xbase-clients is installable once more02:55
seb128pitti: xine has ffmpeg, is that good for main? I thought there is patents issues02:56
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pittiseb128: libxine1 | 1.0-1ubuntu3 |         hoary | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc02:56
pittiseb128: it was just kicked out of Breezy as it seems02:56
shackanhi pitti02:56
Kamionlibxine1c2 | 1.0.1-1ubuntu5 |        breezy | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc02:57
pittiHi shackan02:57
seb128pitti: libxine1c202:57
pittioops, right02:57
pittiseb128: so why we have totem-xine in universe? the real stuff is in the lib anyway...02:57
seb128pitti: because the lib is no meants to be to main02:57
pittiseb128: well, it is since warty and we support it (I even did security updates for it)02:58
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seb128pitti: it was universe for warty, and k* moved it to main silently for hoary02:58
pittiseb128: so either we throw it out completely, or we can as well ship totem-xine, which usually works much better...02:58
danielsi think we agreed that xine wasn't the best long-term option02:58
seb128pitti: when I spoke with jdub about it during .au conf he said libxine should be moved back to universe02:58
danielsand that we were best sticking with gstreamer, especially with its dll loader?02:59
daniels(every time I go to type that, my fingers make me type dl loader)02:59
seb128daniels: the spec they "evaluate the best option for 5.10", gstreamer beeing the long term option for sure02:59
seb128but gst 0.9 will not be here for GNOME 2.1202:59
danielsseb128: how about we just decide that gstreamer's the best option for breezy because it's less work for me and more for you02:59
pittiseb128: ok, /me installs t-gstreamer now02:59
seb128daniels: fine with me, it's better than the warty/hoary version and there is pitfdll now03:00
danielsso seriously03:00
danielsit looks like it comes down to good av sync vs crappy av sync03:01
=== Nafallo will use totem anyway ;-)
danielsas well as not having to do all this work on xine shortly before we throw it away03:01
=== Nafallo will use totem-xine anyway ;-)
pittiseb128: well, right now its a b-dep of totem, so you'd need to split the totem package (or disable xine entirely)03:01
seb128hum, right03:02
seb128daniels: what has a crappy av sync?03:02
danielshow bad are the a/v sync issues?03:02
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danielsseb128: gstreamer, according to the wiki page03:02
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danielsi mean, if I want to watch DVDs, I have a DVD player downstairs03:02
seb128daniels: yeah, turned out this is due to esd/esdsink03:02
Nafallodaniels: you has that. not everyone ;-).03:03
seb128use alsasink and you will be happy03:03
danielsand radeon DRI doesn't work on my card (because it's PCIE, so r300 doesn't support it), so my Xv looks like shit at high resolutions03:03
seb128but according to pitti can't use alsasink03:03
daniels'cause it can't do DMA03:03
danielsseb128: oh03:03
danielspitti: how come you can't use alsasink?03:03
pittidaniels: you can03:03
pittidaniels: if it works for you, that's the best option03:03
seb128<pitti> seb128: hm, with polypaudio being too unstable, and alsasink not being appropriate for every machine, only esd remains...03:03
danielspitti: how's it broken for you?03:03
pittidaniels: the problem is that dmix doesn#t work for many people, so we can't set it as default03:03
TreenaksI use "autodetect".. which sink is that?03:03
pittidaniels: works perfectly for me03:04
seb128Treenaks: as the name say, it's an autodetection03:04
seb128Treenaks: and it's not recommended yet03:04
Treenaksseb128: yes, but it must have a gstreamer sink name03:04
Treenaksseb128: (autodetectsink?)03:04
sivangseb128: last gedit update, on what account was it? (trying to build from getting source and failing)03:04
seb128sivang: "what account"? of what?03:05
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sivangseb128: gedit, last update, I am getting source and trying to build (without any patches) and getting this:03:06
seb128sivang: who wants to know who did the previous upload? probably me03:06
danielspitti: maybe it's worth disabling dmix by default03:06
seb128Treenaks: autoaudiosink03:06
sivangseb128: egg-recent-model.c:903: error: 'F_TLOCK' undeclared (first use in this function)03:06
sivangegg-recent-model.c:903: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once03:06
danielspitti: i mean, doing alsasink by default without setting dmix up03:06
danielspitti: because esd is arguably as bad as not having simultaneous sound03:06
seb128sivang: that's not a gedit change for sure03:07
pittithat would be even worse than in warty - we wanted to improve it03:07
sivangseb128: k, I'll do a couple of more retries03:07
seb128daniels: the issue is if you use sound events03:07
danielsseb128: oh, those03:08
pittiseb128: ok, totem-gst with gst-ffmpeg works fine for me03:08
pittiseb128: it didn't on my old box03:09
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Kamion] : Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | If you have unexpectedly lost editbugs privileges, talk to mdz/ogra/kiko | Colony CD 2 released | yes, X is broken. | deadline for outstanding merges is 2005-07-21
Kamionthat's tomorrow03:09
Kamionso if you're like me and have loads left to do, best hurry up ;)03:09
ograKamion, universe ??03:10
sivangKamion: that's the merge from debian you're talking about?03:10
Kamionsivang: yes03:10
Kamionogra: what about it?03:10
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=== daniels stares at Kamion.
=== Kamion throws a worried look towards http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
ograwhat about universe merges ?03:10
danielssweet, no MOM bugs03:10
Kamionwe may give universe more slack, but this is not a licence to fail to hurry up03:11
Kamionwe have a release to get out03:11
ograKamion, i know but universe has a bunch more to merge ...03:11
Kamionso get people to hurry up :)03:12
Kamionthe release schedule is not a secret03:12
sivangKamion: Do you think launchpad integration can fall under UserIntefaceFreeze ?03:12
Kamionsivang: it certainly should03:12
Kamionit should fall under feature freeze, for that matter03:12
Kamionwhich is two weeks before UI freeze03:12
Kamionsivang: UI freeze is so that the doc team have time to update documentation (including screenshots, etc.) before release03:13
seb128there no real interface change03:13
seb128only 2 menu items03:13
Kamionthat's an applicable UI change03:13
Kamionassuming it appears in any screenshots03:13
seb128I doubt many screenshot will have the help menu open03:13
seb128anyway apps will be patched before the freeze so no worries03:14
seb128I've uploaded launchpad-integration this morning, it's waiting on elmo03:14
danielsmaybe you could just patch in all the UI changes beforehand but make them completely non-functional03:14
seb128then we can start patching apps03:14
danielsand sneak in functionality after that03:14
Kamionseb128: no it's not, it was rejected03:14
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KamionRejected: Unknown distribution `unstable'.03:14
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seb128Kamion: grah, I use the debian dh_make changelog again?03:15
danielsgood to know I don't have a monopoly on REJECTed packages03:15
seb128Kamion: thanks for pointing it03:15
KamionMaintainer: Sebastien Bacher <seb128@debian.org>03:15
Kamion(usual reason why you didn't get the notification ;))03:15
seb128Kamion: yeah, I use dh_make which use my Debian infos03:15
seb128not the first time I make the mistake03:15
danielsi swear I'm going to smash the next person who reports a duplicate of 'oh my god xkb wont someone think of the children'03:16
danielscoc or not03:17
Nafallodaniels: would be fun to report it just to see what you really would do :-)03:17
danielsdon't make me come over there03:19
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sivangseb128: what version of automake does the builldd use?03:19
pittisivang: whatever version you depend on03:19
pittisivang: it's not installed by default03:19
Nafallodaniels: well, you got half the world to travel. I'm will not be here this weekend ;-)03:19
seb128sivang: what you specify from the control file?03:20
\sh\sh 1/2 xorg 5 1/203:20
danielspitti: should work with latest (-43) xlibs and latest xkeyboard-config03:20
sivangseb128: I don't, I will check the gedit control file, I think that's the problem - that I use 1.7 on my machine now, and it won't build using it (it worked with 1.4)03:21
Nafallodaniels: anyway. you're free to come visit if you would like to. not just this weekend :-).03:21
danielsi'll leave a present on your doorstep instead03:21
Nafallowe! presents! :-D03:21
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sivangdaniels: how can I quick workaround the xlibs mess?03:24
danielssivang: er03:25
danielssivang: it should install and stuff03:25
danielsif not, add exit 0 to the end of the preinst03:25
sivangdaniels: k03:26
\shi have -43 running, only putting a link to /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc03:26
danielsi wonder why you need that link03:26
danielsmaybe because I'm stupid03:26
danielsyeah, woo03:26
\shdaniels: without it, it won't find fixed font => fatal error03:26
\shbut: in gdm/xdm keyboard is working (actually falling back to pre-keymap) and entering gnome, no keyboard anymore...03:27
\shlogging out from the session, keyboard is responding..logging in, no keyboard..will try it with kde03:27
danielsiz gtk bug03:28
\shRiddell: ping:03:29
\shok...lemme check out kde ,-)03:29
Riddell\sh: hmm?03:31
infinityKamion : Can I get mesa NEWed?03:32
sivangI suppose NEW is another acronym from yet one of elmo's gf's :-) ? (like MOM, etc..)03:33
sivangpitti: gedit doesn't seem to depend on a specific version of automake03:33
pittisivang: that's a bug then03:34
danielssivang: nope, it just means 'new' :P03:34
infinityNo, NEW is queue/new, where new binaries and/or sources get dumped.03:34
danielssivang: a package (be it binary or source) that hasn't been seen yet03:34
ograbtw, could anybody wave the new icon package through that sits in NEW ? 03:35
Mezare there any plans for something similar to jigdo for ubuntu03:35
ograMez, we have jigdo files03:35
danielsMez: it's called 'jigdo'03:35
danielsit's actually very similar03:35
ograas in "the same" :)03:35
Mezah i didnt know there were jigdo fiels for ubuntu03:36
sivangdaniels: so why is new written as NEW ? :-)03:36
sivangMez: I think you can choose them from cdimange.u.c03:37
\shRiddell: kubuntu-desktop depends on openoffice-org2*03:37
danielssivang: all katie states are03:37
danielssivang: NEW, ACCEPT, REJECT03:37
sivangdaniels: ah, thanks for the info about her03:37
danielsany time03:37
Riddell\sh: yep03:37
MezRiddell, why does it depend on openoffice - I thought you'd be shipping koffice as default for kubuntu?03:38
zygawhere is the appropriate place to ask about running colony cd 2 ?03:38
\shRiddell: sry..say again?03:38
Mezzyga, it depends what you want to ask03:38
MezRiddell \sh: yep03:39
Riddell\sh: yes, kubuntu-desktop depends on openoffice-org2*03:39
ograRiddell, except on amd64 i hope :)03:39
sivangpitti: so a good idea would be to test with what version of automake it builds, and change it ? :-)03:39
\shRiddell: ok..cause it's refusing from install...when u do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop03:39
RiddellMez: that's to be decided http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuOfficeSuite (but KOffice 1.4 wasn't stable enough for real use)03:39
pittisivang: yes03:39
zygaMez: installer hangs after copying and extracting packages03:39
\shRiddell: forceing it by hand..works03:39
zygaMez: box responds to ping but is otherwise, dead03:39
pittisivang: however, since that very likely already destroyed the diff.gz, please look at configure.in/automake.am in the orig.tar.gz03:40
\shand THIS is funny03:40
\shstarting gnome-terminal running kde..keyboard works..03:40
\shfine :)03:40
\shsh 1 1/2 xorg 5 1/2 gnome 0 ,->03:41
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seb128gaim CVS packages03:45
danielsseb128: given that most of xorg is from CVS atm, gaim isn't all that bad03:46
mptseb128: Did you finish the LaunchpadIntegration app-choosing tool?03:46
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seb128mpt: no, I've not started with that, the current plan is to patch for menu entries for main03:46
seb128mpt: the picker is not a priority03:46
seb128daniels: sure, but you don't have xorg and xorg-cvs03:47
mptseb128: So did you remove the existing "Submit Bug Report" menu item from Evolution, so that it doesn't end up with two items for doing the same thing?03:47
sebesthello, is there any project to reorganize the menu, (system -> preferencies, system -> administration, applications -> system tools) ?03:47
seb128mpt: no, launchpad-integration package (which is required before starting patching apps) has been uploaded this morning, there is no application patched atm03:48
seb128sebest: hi, not really03:48
\shseb128: *lol*03:48
seb128sebest: you can read desktop-devel-list03:48
seb128what is funny?03:48
sebestseb128, they talked about it?03:49
\shseb128: your "grumpf" about gaim cvs03:49
seb128why people keep sending crap mails03:49
seb128yeah, sure03:49
seb128beeing flooded by CVS bugs, that's funny03:49
mptsebest: http://live.gnome.org/PreferencesRevisited03:49
sebestbecause there are some annoying things in how things are organised03:49
Mezjigdo = bad for Colony CDs03:49
Mezseeing as anything thats been update gets poked top the morgue and is no longer availabl03:49
NafalloMez: why? :-)03:49
seb128sebest: there is some discussion about it on lists, feel free to read them and contribute03:49
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NafalloMez: hehe, oki :-)03:49
thomthey get bitten by having a short SOE03:49
danielsseb128: well, yeah03:50
Mezso I'm getting lots of 404's03:50
sivangseb128: let's concetrate on apps that appear straight in the desktop, and have a menu bar system03:50
sivangseb128: thought I havn't figured what shall we do regarding stuff, like gnome-system-tools which are part of the desktop ship, and do not have a menu bar at all03:50
sivang(i.e. wizard based)03:50
mptsebest: See also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CollapsedPreferences03:51
seb128mark said we can ignore these to start03:51
sivangseb128: cool03:51
sivangseb128: makes it a lot simpler03:51
sebestseb128: would it be possible to have the "new connection" in the "system" submenu near logout instead of applications -> system tools ?03:51
sebestmpt: thanx for the links, i'm reading it03:51
seb128sebest: everything is possible, fill a bug upstream on gnome-panel/gdm to discuss it03:51
seb128or mail desktop-devel-list03:51
sebestseb128: oki03:52
seb128sebest: I think the idea was to not put here as long as there is no easy way to switch back to your user03:52
Mezso do the colony releases actually work?03:53
sebestseb128: i think that suse get it working, maybe we should have a look at how they did it03:53
ograseb128, when do you switch your user if you make a "new connection" ?03:54
seb128sebest: there is fast-user-switch-applet, but it's not installed by default and not optimal for some situations03:55
seb128ogra: I don't get the question03:55
mptIn what bizarre localization is it called "New Connection"??03:56
ogra<seb128> sebest: I think the idea was to not put here as long as there is no easy way to switch back to your user03:56
seb128ogra: have you already used windows XP?03:56
seb128you can switch between users03:56
\shseb128: just like the kde switch user?03:56
ograseb128, yes, as you can with the new lock screen in xscreensaver now...03:56
seb128\sh: I don't use KDE03:56
danielsseb128: you should03:56
\shseb128: so it is this function ... 03:56
sivangpitti: bah, that xlibs mess is preventing me from installing automake1.4 to check for the bug03:56
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ograseb128, but i dont get the point where you need to switch users for making a network connection with nautilus ? 03:57
seb128ogra: who spoke about a network connection? He spoke about a gdmflexiserver new login03:57
seb128it's called "new connexion" on the menu03:57
ograseb128, oh... damn, i need to switch to french to understand you :-P03:58
seb128what is not clear?03:58
KamionMez: yes03:58
ogranew connection isnt the right term for that03:58
KamionMez: I don't release them until they work.03:58
seb128ogra: as I understood it, he was speaking about gdmflexiserver03:59
mptseb128: In which localization?03:59
seb128ogra: maybe I'm wrong03:59
seb128mpt: what which localization?03:59
ograseb128, calling "new login" a "new connection" is heavly confusing03:59
sebestyes i was :)03:59
lupus1010is the new xorg version 7.0 ?03:59
mptseb128: <mpt> In what bizarre localization is it called "New Connection"??03:59
danielslupus1010: it will be, eventually03:59
seb128mpt: why do you ask to me, I've no clue03:59
sebestin french it's "nouvelle connection"03:59
lupus1010daniels is there a list with an overview off what is new?04:00
seb128"nouvelle connexion" rather04:00
mptseb128: Because you said 'it's called "new connexion" on the menu'04:00
lupus1010or is the only biggest thing that you are going to a modular build system?04:00
danielslupus1010: probably on the xorg.freedesktop.org wiki somewhere04:00
sebestseb128: yes04:00
seb128mpt: I was saying again what sebest said04:00
danielsmpt: maybe he was transliterating from French and not word-perfect on what native English speakers would call it?04:00
sebestsorry to confuse everyone :s04:00
seb128or I mixed04:01
mptRosetta needs a search field04:01
seb128mpt: "nouvelle connexion" is french correct version04:01
seb128<sebest> seb128: would it be possible to have the "new connection"04:01
seb128and I was just quoting this one04:02
sebestanyway i thought it should go in the system menu04:02
seb128I've not english menu to get the original version04:02
sebestneither do i04:02
seb128sebest: better to keep it hidden if people click on it and don't know how to get back to their desktop04:02
Keybukdoko: uh, dude. your list is bogus :)04:03
sebestseb128, yes i see04:03
mptShut Down04:03
Keybukthe second field has to be main or universe, not "breezy" :)04:03
mptLog in as Someone Else...04:03
mptLog Out04:03
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sebestthere is also this "add/remove software" in application->system tools that doesn't seem to work and duplicate synaptic that is in system -> administration04:04
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davehighvoltage, is anyone experienced with preseeding the installer and a custom boot cd ?04:05
MezKamion - and do the live CDs for the colonys swor=k?04:05
dokoKeybuk: sent you an update04:06
danielsMez: dude, there's an archive of the lists online.  this is all documented on the lists, there's no need for all the spam in the channel.04:06
highvoltagedave: sorry, i'm probably not the best person to ask.04:06
davedidnt mean you - my xchat expanded hi, to hivoltage!04:06
seb128sebest: it's bugged but will be fixed, and it's much simpler than synaptic and a cool tool04:07
comadrejawhat's the official position regarding slang2 ? should it be removed ? substituted by slang1 ?04:07
Amaranthi have a feeling i should look at debian-legal04:07
Keybukdoko: hmm, mom is up to date for everything in that list?04:07
Keybukam I missing something?04:07
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pittimpt: sounds like a lot of work04:09
dokoKeybuk: it's fine, if it's up to date, I couldn't check that easily.04:09
Keybukit still runs daily, just doesn't file bugs04:10
mptpitti: only 707 strings04:10
pittimpt: but en -> en???04:11
seb128pitti: a way to say that upstream sucks apparently :p04:11
mptNext I'll translate Evolution into English04:12
seb128mpt: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31045304:12
mptthat's a good start04:13
dokoKeybuk: can you check that bug reports are filed for these packages?04:13
mptThough renaming "superuser" to "root" is rather crab-like04:13
danielsyou're bagging other people for their use of English while you're busting out gems like 'crab-like'?04:13
Keybukdoko: no04:14
mptObscure Analogies 'R Us04:14
danielsmpt: you've convinced me, you're totally the right person to rewrite all the strings :P04:15
mptdaniels: I'm just as capable of switching between en-IRC and en-GUI as I am of switching between en-US and en-UK04:16
Amaranthseb128: firefox 1.0.6 is out ;)04:17
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sebestmpt: i read the 2 links that you sent, there are a lot of good ideas in it.04:17
sebestThey are focused on organizing the current tools, that's nice04:17
sebestBut thing, like changing the hostname or adding fonts still remains complex/hidden on ubuntu/gnome04:18
seb128Amaranth: is there security fixes or what?04:18
Amaranthadding fonts?04:18
Amaranthseb128: there was an API regression in 1.0.5 that broke some extensions04:18
danielsmy mum does not want to change her hostname04:18
Amaranthseb128: and 1.0.5 isn't gettting translated upstream04:18
seb128Amaranth: k, I'll update later04:18
sebestamaranth: yes adding fonts04:18
mptsebest: Agreed, I was surprised at how nice Fontilus was, but it's very non-obvious how to get to it04:18
danielsi don't even want to change my hostname04:18
Amaranthsebest: go to fonts:/// in nautilus?04:18
sebestamaranth: should users guess it? :)04:18
seb128sebest: who wants to change his hostname and why, oh why?04:19
Amaranthsomeone slap a capplet around that04:19
sebestand in spatial mode how do you go there?04:19
AmaranthOS X users seem to have no problem learning all these shortcuts :)04:19
seb128sebest: there is a button on the font capplet04:19
Amaranthand that is considered the holy grail of usability04:19
sebestseb128, i know that these action are possible but there are hidden04:19
seb128sebest: system, preferences, fonts is the capplet04:19
Amaranthah, someone beat me to it04:20
mptAmaranth: In OS X, Fonts/ is a real folder that you can find by starting at the root level04:20
seb128sebest: there is already a bug about putting font to the nautilus places menu, but who needs to install fonts by hand?04:20
seb128better to package them and to install the package04:20
Amaranthyeah, but we don't have the luxury of coming up with cracktastic directories and making everything use them :)04:20
sebestseb128, many people as they ask me how to do this04:20
mptAmaranth: and whether it should be "fonts:" or "fonts:/" or "fonts://" or "fonts:///" or "fonts:////" isn't exactly obvious04:20
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Amaranthmpt: fonts capplet04:20
sebestpeople writing documents, doing gimp work and so on04:20
seb128anyway I've to run04:21
seb128sebest: as said there is already a bug saying it should be listed with the nautilus places04:21
mptAmaranth: I know that now, but I'd used that "capplet" several times before someone pointed out the button hidden therein04:21
sebestmpt: i think we could also have a font dir, as user fonts should go in .fonts as far as i remember04:21
seb128fonts:/// is a collection of user and /usr fonts04:21
seb128and install fonts to ~/.fonts04:22
sebestcan user drop a font in it?04:22
Amaranthmpt: file a bug report to get someone to make it more obvious inside the capplet04:22
sebestso it's just a matter of accessing it04:22
mptsebest: Sure, but the second most common use case for managing fonts is probably "That font sucks and I don't want any program to use it, I want to delete it", and ~/.fonts wouldn't help there04:22
mptbecause it would be in (one of) the system-wide fonts folder(s) rather than the user's own one04:22
AmaranthI have _never_ seen someone want to delete a font.04:23
mptI wanted to do that last week04:23
infinitys/delete/hide/ then.04:23
mptso I'm biased04:23
infinityIf you're none too sure how the system determines what the default "Fixed" or "Serif" is, you may just want to remove (hide) the offending default.04:23
infinityOr something like that.04:24
danielsit's just a matter of patching ~/.fonts/local.conf04:24
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danielsit's a stupendously powerful system04:24
danielsit can make all your I WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE THAT dreams come true04:24
Amaranthdoes the gnome-vfs layer do that on delete?04:24
danielsso if some UI genius is bored and wants to come up with a UI for fontconfig configuration (even just 'hide this font from view'), go nuts04:25
danielsit's not hard04:25
infinityThat would be fantastically slick.04:25
Amaranthi've had enough of coming up with UIs to do things like that :P04:25
sivangdaniels: what is the real meaning of stupendous ? that's how they described deep thought s:-)04:25
Amaranthi'll stick to smeg04:25
danielsit's even XML, so it's not like you have to write a difficult parser for some obscure syntax04:25
danielssivang: stupendous -> amazing, the best04:25
infinityEven better if one wrote a "suitcase" replacement that could juggle fontconfig configs, so you could manage fonts in groups, etc, without touching the installed fonts on the filesystem.04:25
Amaranthsounds like a bounty04:26
danielsinfinity: it's only one file to juggle04:26
infinitydaniels : Can fontconfig group fonts and turn groups on and off with ease?04:26
danielsinfinity: iirc, yes04:26
infinitydaniels : I assumed you might need to juggle configs in and out to achieve groups.04:26
Amaranthsomeone remember all this for breezy+1 goals :)04:26
infinityBounty it now, and let someone actually have some code by the time breezy+1 opens.04:27
infinityBountying 3 months before feature freeze sucks.04:27
danielswell, have your groups in ~/.fonts/group/foo.conf, and have ~/.fonts/local.conf include a different configuration depending on which group you want, if I remember wrongly and it doesn't have that sort of grouping functionality04:27
Amaranthwho sets up the bounties? :)04:27
infinitydaniels : That would work well, yes.04:27
infinityThe GIMP and Inkscape users would love us for that level of font handling.04:28
infinityEvery graphic artist I know (and oddly, that's a lot), likes to have hundreds/thousands of fonts installed, but only use them a few dozen at a time.04:28
Amaranthsomeone needs to spec it and make it a goal04:28
mptUbuntu doesn't *have* enough fonts for anyone to want to juggle subsets of them :->04:28
danielsfonts are shit anyway04:28
infinitympt : Those sorts of users would toss a few gigs of fonts in ~/.fonts/04:29
sebeston accessibility i think that "Removable Drives and Media" should be accessible from the right click menu on device themselves04:29
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danielsinfinity: i can prove she doesn't exist04:29
infinitydaniels : That would lose you your most attractive drinking buddy.04:30
sebestand the "floppy formater" should dissappear from application-> system tools , and only be accessible from the right clik menu on a floppy device.04:30
sebestanyway who use floppy anymore? :)04:30
Amaranthbad name anyway, iirc that thing can format usb sticks and such too04:31
danielsinfinity: damn, good point.04:31
mptsebest: Having something only in a right-click menu makes it non-existent to a large proportion of people04:31
sebestAmaranth, for me it doesn't even start: error message saying it doesn't find any device 04:31
sivangsebest: hey, I needed it to fix my dead sarge router :-)04:31
danielsinfinity: but, in any case.  she's intelligent and from cairns, and intelligent : cairns :: matter : antimatter.  so, if she did hypothetically exist, she'd immediately undergo a total existence failure.  and thus be non-existent.  qed.04:32
mptsebest: but yes, I've already reported a bug on moving it into a Nautilus menu04:32
mptwith the same menu item for formatting a floppy or a memory stick or a Zip disk or whatever04:32
sebestmpt: maybe "media" instead of floppy would be more generic?04:33
sebestor "removable media"04:33
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mptsebest: "Format Disk..." or "Format Volume..."04:36
mptor "Erase Volume..."04:36
mptor something like that04:36
sivangpitti: what's the AM_* that specifies the automake version?04:36
pittisivang: no idea, I don't use autofoo myself04:37
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sebestmpt: i think that's why ms put a visible contextual menu, it's because the right click menu is not obvious to user04:38
pittisleep well, infinity 04:38
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infinitykamion / elmo : It would be swell if xbase-clients's deps were all NEWed and waiting for me when I wake up.04:38
sebestbecause this "format" action could appear in the right pane of nautilus, with thing like eject04:38
sebestmpt: how people that don't konw about the right click menu can eject a media??04:39
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zygadoes dpkg-deb -b rebuild md5sums?04:55
mptsebest: I assume that they just unplug it04:57
sebestmpt: i mean a cdrom, you can't unplug it 04:58
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sebestmpt: talking about ejecting, it's annoying that sometimes, nautilus complain that he can't eject a device because "it's busy" without even telling the user, which programs are accessing the drive05:00
fabbionehey not everybody is so lucky to have a swimming pool in an apparment :)05:00
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mptsebest: Have you reported the bug?05:01
sebestmpt, should i report it to gnom, or ubuntu?05:01
sebestmpt, i didn't report it mainly because it's not a bug but a usability problem05:02
mptsebest, a usability problem is a bug05:03
sebesti read the code that did this, and basically it just call system("eject /dev/hdx") and then display to the user the output of the system()05:03
mpt'The disk "Sebest's Photos" cannot be ejected, because some items on it are being used (including "dsc0079.jpg", in use by "F-Spot"). Try closing these applications before ejecting.'05:04
sebestin my opinion the correct way to fix it would be to have a libeject instead of calling eject as you can't really interpret errors of programs that you call with system()05:04
sebestmpt, yes that's what i would expect :)05:05
sebesthe could even propose to stop these programs by himself05:05
sebest(that's what i do using lsof :))05:05
sebestkill `lsof -t /dev/hdx`05:08
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pittilifeless: here?05:11
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sebestmpt: nautilus Bug 148121: can't eject removable media on mac (1 button mouse) 05:13
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\shis somebody working on libopenexr? it needs some glu love05:42
siretart\sh: glu transition has stopped and needs probably be reversed. update from the xorg guru's pending05:44
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\shsiretart: dependencies problem :( since a week05:44
\shor more05:44
siretart\sh: i know :(05:46
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\shsiretart: and I wanted to do some of the remaining MOM stuff05:47
Kamioninfinity: libglu1-mesa doesn't actually contain a library05:47
Kamioninfinity: it only has the /usr/share/doc directory05:48
ogra\sh, remaining.... ahah05:48
\shogra: not so much ,-)05:48
\shogra: fleissarbeit ,-)05:48
ogra230 packages for universe05:48
ograand about 100 for main...05:49
\shogra: well...long night ,-) short day ,-)05:49
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bddebianwasabi_: :-(06:15
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lifelesspitti: yes06:29
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lifelesselmo: ping - I'd like a ls report from bazaar.ubuntu.com if you are around06:32
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pittilifeless: is it possible to import upstream mozilla cvs to arch.ubuntu.com?06:43
pittilifeless: right now I'm collecting patches from the cvs, but that is sooo painful...06:43
pittilifeless: does the import preserve branches?06:45
lifelesspitti: we don't do branches yet, but we will be doing them06:46
lifelesspitti: has their CVS structure improved, they used to be insane.06:46
pittilifeless: it's still insane, that's why I'm spending hours for grabbing patches out of it06:46
lifelesspitti: then its likely a blackhole for us to import ast this point.06:46
pittilifeless: ... and why I'm pestering you06:47
pittilifeless: it would be really cool to have the various firefox/mozilla/tbird etc. branches 06:47
lifelesspitti: see if you can fill out sensible details on launchpad for it 06:47
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Lathiatpitti: my usb drive stopped mounting again07:03
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pittiLathiat: D'oh, the last version still didn't build - thanks to x...07:03
Lathiatpitti: oh, right07:03
Lathiatpitti: <3 xorg07:03
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jammcq_olsmdz: hey, any chance we can get the FUSE driver into the kernel pkg?  it's shipped with hoary as a stand-alone module07:06
jammcq_olsand we use it for ltsp local device support07:06
mdzjammcq_ols: fabbione / #ubuntu-kernel would be the people to talk to07:06
jammcq_olsah, thanks07:06
mdzjammcq_ols: note that feature freeze is coming up (August 11th or so)07:06
jammcq_olsI just heard this morning that FUSE is likely going into the official kernel soon07:07
jammcq_olsmdz: also, we're planning our 3rd LTSP dev conf for Nov 3-6, and you are welcome to come07:08
mdzjammcq_ols: that sounds very close to the next ubuntu developer summit, but if it doesn't overlap, that sounds like fun07:08
jammcq_olsyeah, i tried finding out when the next ubu meeting was, but no answers yet07:09
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Kamiondaniels: shouldn't iceauth, er, have some dependencies?07:17
Kamiondaniels: never mind, I think either I'm insane or fernanda is07:19
Kamionoh, my terminal's insane, that's it07:19
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carstenhapropos feature freeze: if a package requiers other packages to include a simple textfile to work correctly, can this be done after the feature-freeze?07:20
Kamionsheesh, xsetmode is like a 5KB package07:21
Kamionwas that really the most sensible split?07:21
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seb128Kamion: do you know if launchpad-integration is still NEW or has been dropped for an another reason?07:31
Kamionstill NEW07:32
Kamionyou could have fixed the maintainer address, then you'd know ;)07:32
Kamionyay for debcommit that supports arch07:34
Kamion(devscripts development trunk)07:34
sivangseb128: don't worry, I'm sure it will be out of new by tommorow :-)07:34
sivangseb128: btw, what do you think of the gedit source pkg? it doesn't have build-depends on an automake version, pitti said this is a bug07:35
fabbioneKamion, mdz: could you be so kind to NEW aalib for sparc? i know that elmo should, but it will unblock quite a bunch of pkgs in Dep-wait07:36
seb128Kamion: I don't consider my @debian.org as a wrong email :p 07:37
seb128thanks 07:37
seb128pitti: ping ?07:37
seb128sivang: let me figure what pitti has to say against my package07:37
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sivangseb128: sure, I don't think it's your fault - probably the upstream maintainer's 07:38
seb128sivang: k, just want to point to them errors07:38
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seb128tseng: have you planned to upload pitfdll to universe?07:42
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tsengseb128: hm i thought I gave it to you  :)07:44
seb128tseng: oh, I was supposed to upload?07:44
seb128I thought you gave it to play with it but that you planned to  upload07:44
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Kamionseb128: heh07:47
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sivang(not just build them)07:47
Kamionfabbione: I'm slightly concerned about aalib; Debian used the aalib1 -> libaa1 renaming as an excuse to switch to building against slang2, and I'm not sure I'm happy about us reverting that - it seems like it'll cause a lot of hassle07:49
Kamionfabbione: I'm thinking just doing the slang2 transition might be easier, since after all it did beat UVF07:49
Kamionalthough it is a bit more work07:49
sivangseb128: I have to leave now, when lpint is out of new, test my patch for gedit let me know of any problems, thanks07:50
ograKamion, err, isnt the one with changed deps and name already uploaded ? 07:51
Kamionogra: it's in NEW07:51
Kamionthat being the whole point of the conversation07:52
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=== ogra just saw it on breezy-changes some hours ago
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sivangnight all!07:52
jp_hi all07:52
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sabdflmjg59: given that breezy is so close, we'd like to ask LaptopMission participants to commit to three releases in this first round. any objections?07:53
pittiseb128: pong07:53
pittiseb128: if you play evil and call automake in debian/rules, then your package should depend on and call a specific version07:54
pittiseb128: I guess that was the thing sivang was up to07:54
mjg59sabdfl: Nope, that's fine07:55
\shsounds really good 07:55
sabdflmjg59: ok cool, looking forward to seeing how this works out07:55
ograsounds like usplash becomes possible then... if mjg59 has more time for it ;)07:56
mjg59ogra: Well, it'd be good if some other people can hack on it as well07:56
dilingermjg59: will usplash require initramfs?07:56
mjg59dilinger: Yes07:56
mjg59To work properly, anyway07:57
ogramjg59, would a package of it make sense ?07:57
ogra(some users asked for ne)07:57
mjg59It's not likely to do much at the moment, though07:57
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mdzjbailey,fabbione: what's the word on initramfs-by-default?08:01
\shthom: ping08:04
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Amaranthit would be so much easier if they just _stopped making new releases_08:29
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\shuniverse/sound/alsaplayer_0.99.76-6ubuntu1: Dep-Wait by buildd+terranova [optional:out-of-date]  Dependencies: alsa-headers08:34
\shwhat is this?08:34
\shthere are no deps to alsa-headers...08:34
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=== pitti finally fixes hoary's firefox - YAY
mdkenice :)08:59
pittimdke: the patches broke the middle mouse button, it took me 3 hours to fix that :-(08:59
seb128pitti: I'll update breezy one to 1.0.608:59
pittiseb128: thanks, I didn't dare to ask ... :-)08:59
seb128pitti: anyway, some news on eggcups09:00
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ograseb128, and dont forget to make the package backportable to hoary ;)09:00
Amaranthpitti: hehe, i asked earlier09:00
pittiseb128: does it produce eggs now?09:00
Amaranthmozilla is dropping to universe isn't it?09:00
seb128pitti: no yet :p09:00
mdkeAmaranth, really? :(09:01
pittiAmaranth: I'd like to see it there, yes09:01
ograpitti, easter is still way to go ;)09:01
seb128pitti: the upstream discussion turns to "drop gnome-cups-icon from gnome-cups-manager and use eggcups for that, since dbus is much nicer than pulling"09:01
pittiseb128: sounds sane09:01
seb128pitti: so we would ship gnome-cups-manager as the UI for printers and eggcups as the systray notification09:01
Amarantheggcups only shows jobs in the queue from your user, right?09:02
seb128pitti: so I need you to upload a patched cups before FeatureFreeze ... :)09:02
seb128Amaranth: yep09:02
pittiseb128: no worries, the cleanup shouldn't take that long09:02
pittiseb128: also, I finally see light in the mozilla mess - only 2 hours of fighting with upstream's cvs and 4 hours of patching/building/testing, then it should be fine09:03
seb128that's doesn't look to be a cool job :/09:04
pittiseb128: so I can return to langpacks and cups by friday09:04
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\shcan someone check on his/her breezy if libgtkhtml3.1 /3.2 is in their cache?09:05
pittiseb128: 09:06
pitti$ cvs log -rMOZILLA_1_7_8_RELEASE: > /tmp/mozilla-1.7.8-cvs.log09:06
pittipitti@chinstrap:~/moz/mozilla$ ls -l /tmp/mozilla-1.7.8-cvs.log09:06
pitti-rw-rw-r--  1 pitti warthogs 538656354 Jul 20 17:26 /tmp/mozilla-1.7.8-cvs.log09:06
pittiseb128: nice changelog volume, isn't it? :-)09:06
seb128\sh: we have asked the removal of versions < 3.609:07
\shnow I need them09:07
\shor I should drop mysql-query-browser-1.1.1209:07
pitti\sh: what for? does a package not work with 3.6?09:07
\shwithout heavy patching no 09:07
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\shpitti: it wants gtkhtml3.1/3.2 and gtkmm2.009:09
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\shgtkhtml3.6+gtkmm2.4 is the right combination, but the source refuses to build...09:10
seb128drop it09:10
seb128if it's used versions for ages ago it's not a maintained piece of code09:10
\shseb128: mysql.com ,-)09:10
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pittiHi jdthood 09:13
jdthoodpitti: Hey there09:14
\shbut it should work09:14
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jbm_Is it necessary to install a cpu-specific kernel to get powernowd to support frequency scaling on amd64?09:17
\shno i drop it09:22
Nafallojbm_: no. and that really is a question for #ubuntu09:23
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mdzdoko: do you know about this already?09:39
mdzdpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org2-common_1.9.114-1ubuntu3_all.deb (--unpack):09:39
mdz trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/openoffice2/share/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/UI/DbuCommands.xcu', which is also in package openoffice.org2-base09:39
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Kamionmdz: for the GraphicalInstaller spec, do you think I can get away with only including minimal on the live CD, not bothering with standard?09:42
Kamionwould alleviate space problems somewhat09:42
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mdzKamion: I think at this point I would consider base-on-live to be approximately optional09:43
Kamionnight folks09:43
Kamionmdz: hmm, ok09:43
pittinight Kamion 09:43
mdzKamion: how is OEMinstaller, btw?09:43
Kamionmdz: well, I just added support to cdimage for it, we can stick it on if it fits09:43
Kamionmdz: I just updated BreezyGoals with status for that09:43
mdzI think it doesn't fit09:43
mdzoh, thanks09:43
KamionI think I may need help, we'll see09:43
mdzjust = within the past couple of hours, presumably09:43
Kamionwhy is alsa-base in minimal, anyway?09:46
Kamionok, really gone09:46
\shcan anyone explain the dep-wait for alsaplayer? it waits for alsa-headers, but there is no build-depends on alsa-headers...09:47
seth_k\sh, http://yggdrasil.sytes.net/files/debdiff/alsaplayer_0.99.76-0.2ubuntu4.debdiff09:48
mdz\sh: that'd be a lamont or infinity question09:48
seth_kit looks like slomo has edited this package and posted a debdiff at UniverseUnmetDeps09:48
\shno...i'm with 6ubuntuX09:49
\shseth_k: there is a MoM ongoing09:49
seth_k\sh, ah, sorry09:49
\shmdz: i wonder where this comes from09:50
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lamont__seth_k: because alsaplayer_0.99.76-0.2ubuntu3 had such a build-dep, and dep-waits do not automatically clear - someone has to poke infinity or me10:04
seth_kcheers for the explain, lamont__ :)10:04
lamont__seth_k: btw, -0.2ubuntu3 was the last build that was attempted, as well.10:06
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lamont__mdz: did you see my email on package promotion?10:07
mdzlamont__: yes, but I am buried right now, both work-related and not10:07
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\shlamont__: hmm..I thought they buildd are parsing build-dep and pulling the right packages in?10:11
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lamont__\sh: yep10:13
\shlamont__: but?10:13
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lamont__Build-Depends: libasound2-dev, libgtk1.2-dev, debhelper (>= 4), libesd0-dev, alsa-headers, ...10:13
lamont__but once a package is dep-wait, it's ignored until the depwait is met10:13
\shah u mean, even if the new package has different build-deps it goes into dep-wait cause of the old one10:14
lamont__\sh: no.  it _STAYS_ in dep-wait10:15
lamont__package is never even looked at.10:15
Amaranthbug in pyxdg moves to bug in gnome-menus moved to new proposal for freedesktop.org menu spec10:15
\shlamont__: ok..understand...10:15
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ogramdz, ping10:27
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\shogra: bad luck10:41
ograbut he has worse things to solve then answering my questions...10:41
\shogra: yeah, me too..my ex was contacting me after 4 weeks of refusing and not knowing where she is :(10:43
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ogramdz, ping11:16
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mdzogra: pong11:23
ogramdz, we committed to ship mediawiki in edubuntu... 11:23
ograthere is no package yet, an ITP from 2002 is in debian, but not much has happened...11:24
ogrado i make an ubuntu package or do we switch to moin ?11:24
ograITP: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=27605711:25
mdzogra: mediawiki is a PHP application?11:25
\shogra: I would like to see mediawiki as package ,-)11:25
ograyep 11:25
ograthere has been some action from andreas tille yesterday... but i doubt they will produe anything in time for breezy we could use11:26
ograproduce even11:26
ograwe'd need mediawiki for the wikipedia contents too...11:26
mdzhow many other items on the list are not packaged yet?11:27
ograonly mediaiki...11:27
ograother packages are waiting for glu and X transitions to finish...11:28
seb128mediawiki will be packaged for sure11:28
seb128french DD were speaking about it yesterday11:28
ograseb128, yes, but i need to tweak the config etc... will it be in time ?11:28
ograi need some extra time for it11:28
seb128I can try to figure tomorrow when they will have a package11:28
ograseb128, that'd be awesome :)11:29
ograif they cant make one i'll look into it... but it semms not trivial to get it right...11:29
ograso it will draw some time ....11:29
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ograit'd be a very quick one... i'll need it soon for the config tweaks and testing...11:31
\shwhat is debian webapps group saying}11:31
ogra\sh, there is an ITP since 2002 not much has happened11:32
ograthey seem to start somethig more since beginning of the week11:32
\shogra: well...actually...if you need it for edubuntu package it...but don't package for a common server use :( webapps group doesn't have a good solution for webapps right now (imho)11:33
ogra\sh, if i package it, i'll package it for common server use... and make edubuntu config tweaks at installtime....11:34
ograit would be silly to have a mediawiki that can only be sed in edubuntu11:34
ograbut there was a big demand among the summit attendees... so we shouldnt leave it out...11:35
\shdoes it depend on stuff from PEAR?11:35
\shi can't remember11:36
ogranot as far as i've seen yet11:36
ographp4 and mysql....11:36
ograyou can plug in ocaml stuff....11:36
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\shphp5 works as well in php4 compat mode..11:37
ogra\sh, i wont introduce php5 in edubuntu now :-P11:37
ograits worse enough to have php..... i dont want untested packages of php5 there11:38
\shI just think about some constrains between mediawiki+pear...ah w8 ,-)11:39
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shayaX is broken?11:40
shayaseems to work for me11:40
\shogra: PHPTAL comes from pear11:40
\shit's distributed with mediawiki11:41
ograi dont see references to it on the page....11:42
ograbut i see: PHP 5.1.0beta3 is known to be incompatible at this time.11:42
\shi was using 1.3.10 of mediawiki11:42
\shbut 5.0.x was working ,-)11:42
ograi'm looking at 1.4.7 (current stable release)11:43
\shno PHPTAL anymore? 11:43
ograi see no reference... but i didnt look closer for now....11:43
ogra\sh, lets see what seb128 finds out tomorrow... and either we'll bounty it or i package it, or mdz decides to drop it :) lets wait for tomorrow11:46
\shlast package for today...11:47
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