[12:12] <Mez> ogra_, you still here?
[12:13] <Nafallo> hmm
[12:13] <Nafallo> anyone else have troubles with evolution's builtin gpg-support?
[12:15] <Mez> use thunderbird :D and enigmail :P
[12:15] <Nafallo> baah
[12:15] <Nafallo> that's slow :-)
[12:15] <Mez> slow?
[12:15] <Mez> nah
[12:16] <Nafallo> atleast imap is slow.
[12:16] <Mez> why use IMAP
[12:17] <Nafallo> Mez: all my mail is on my server. when daniels makes x disappear on my laptop I can use my girlfriends shuttle ;-)
[12:18] <Mez> lol
[12:25] <schweeb> Mez: IMAP is god's gift to email
[12:25] <schweeb> using POP is silly
[12:25] <tseng> schweeb++
[12:25] <Nafallo> schweeb++
[12:25] <Mez> IMAP = evil
[12:26] <jamessan|laptop> tell google that.  they need IMAP access.
[12:26] <tseng> meh
[12:26] <tseng> fetchmail it to your own server
[12:26] <schweeb> how in the hell is IMAP email
[12:26] <schweeb> er evil
[12:26] <tseng> | procmail
[12:26] <jamessan|laptop> tseng: that's what I do, but that's still using POP
[12:26] <tseng> or even just foward it
[12:26] <schweeb> maybe the IMAP server you used sucked.
[12:26] <tseng> jamessan|laptop: pop is fine if your client uses IMAP
[12:26] <schweeb> (UW-IMAP)
[12:27] <tseng> schweeb: hahaha
[12:27] <tseng> schweeb: lets call it dustware
[12:27] <schweeb> lol
[12:27] <tseng> dovecot orgy
[12:27] <schweeb> but, if you plan on using multiple systems, and keeping your mail organized, IMAP is god
[12:27] <tseng> schweeb: dont forget procmail
[12:27] <tseng> its a must
[12:27] <tseng> the one two knock out
[12:28] <schweeb> that was included in the "keeping your mail organized" part of the statement :p
[12:28] <tseng> yes
[12:28] <tseng> Lathiat: dude i am going to write an app in RoR at work tommorow
[12:28] <tseng> Lathiat: to show off
[12:29] <schweeb> Mez: come up with a valid reason why IMAP sucks, and I might entertain your statement.  otherwise I'm excusing it as ignorance
[12:30] <Mez> schweeb, for the simple fact that once you hit a certain mailbox size, it will crash everytime you try to acces it
[12:30] <schweeb> ummm
[12:30] <schweeb> no
[12:31] <schweeb> that's either a server problem
[12:31] <schweeb> or a client problem
[12:31] <schweeb> it's not an IMAP problem
[12:31] <schweeb> there is no statement in the RFC that says "you must crash if you touch a mailbox over this large"
[12:32] <schweeb> I have had users with 10GB mailboxes
[12:32] <schweeb> 70k+ messages
[12:32] <schweeb> no prob
[12:32] <schweeb> just, not all clients can handle that many messages in one folder
[12:33] <schweeb> (outlook, outlook express)
[12:33] <ajmitch> I'm seen crap servers that try & load the whole mailbox into memory, doesn't mean that IMAP itself is crap
[12:33] <schweeb> sounds like Mez's experience is with exchange 5.5 on Outlook 2000
[12:34] <schweeb> ajmitch: *cough* UW *cough*
[12:34] <Mez> schweeb, nope...
[12:34] <ajmitch> :)
[12:34] <Mez> well,I dunno
[12:35] <Mez> just the uni hit a LOT of problems with my mailbox, and I've never trusted it since
[12:35] <schweeb> there's only one reason people still use UW... and that's just because it's there
[12:35] <schweeb> that would be the problem of your university's imap implementation
[12:36] <schweeb> it could have even been their mailstore, or the disk it's stored on
[12:36] <schweeb> chris@blackbeard:~$ du -sch Maildir
[12:36] <schweeb> 1.7G    Maildir
[12:37] <comadreja> schweeb : which imap server would you recommend ?
[12:38] <comadreja> schweeb : you made me interested, I'm gonna install one on my server
[12:38] <Nafallo> dovecot! :-)
[12:38] <Nafallo> ubuntu default ;-)
[12:39] <Nafallo> hmm
[12:39] <comadreja> :) cool, I'll try that
[12:39] <schweeb> dovecot for small implementations
[12:39] <schweeb> courier is very reliable, but slower
[12:39] <schweeb> not sure how well I trust dovecot yet
[12:40] <schweeb> or for huge implementations, cyrus
[12:40] <ajmitch> dovecot has been adequate for the few times I've used it
[12:40] <comadreja> just personal mail... dovecot will do it, I guess
[12:40] <Nafallo> wth
[12:40] <Nafallo> debdiff: fatal error at line 365:
[12:41] <schweeb> ajmitch: once I get more experience w/ it I'll trust it, but I've worked A LOT with courier, and trust it well
[12:41] <Nafallo> interdiff -z *1.diff.gz *2.diff.gz failed!
[12:41] <Nafallo> actually there are the correct filenames instead of asterisks :-)
[12:44] <Nafallo> ajmitch: workaround?
[12:45] <ajmitch> I can't recall
[12:46] <Nafallo> ajmitch: oki, thanx for second the bug then :-).
[12:51] <Lathiat> tseng: haha
[12:51] <Lathiat> tseng: nice
[01:08] <Nafallo> http://www.magicalforest.se/tmp/libdc0_0.3.7-2ubuntu2.diff :-)
[01:28] <Nafallo> good night all
[01:28] <Nafallo> see you tomorrow :-)
[01:28] <ajmitch> night Nafallo
[01:38] <seth_k> if Malone has a bug filed about a package on UniverseUnmetDeps and I've rebuilt it and posted the debdiff on the wiki, is it okay to mark the Malone bug fixed?
[02:01] <mgalvin> hi all, is it know that the libdevil1 and xlibmesa-glu deps still seem to be broken
[02:02] <Burgundavia> yes
[02:02] <mgalvin> ok, thnx, at least its not just me
[02:03] <mgalvin> i have been trying to get the ceguimk2 and ogre stuff built but these broken deps have been preventing me from getting them built
[04:06] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[04:07] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[04:10] <bddebian> ajmitch: Workin?
[04:15] <ajmitch> yes
[04:18] <bddebian> Lucky you :-)
[04:20] <bddebian> ajmitch: Did you actually pull zeiberbude source last night?
[04:22] <bddebian> I cannot get my pbuilder to see my local repository :-(
[04:25] <ajmitch> yes I looked at the source
[04:26] <bddebian> ajmitch: Wanna help me fix it? :-)  I know "what" to fix, I just don't know "how" :-)
[04:27] <ajmitch> as I said, I'm at work at the moment
[04:27] <ajmitch> so I can't really sit down & study the package :)
[04:28] <bddebian> pfft :-)
[04:28] <bddebian> Do you know anything about qmake?
[04:28] <ajmitch> nope
[04:28] <bddebian> Grr
[04:40] <chillywilly> ajmitch: where you workin' at?
[04:40] <ajmitch> writing php, same as always
[04:41] <chillywilly> bah
[04:41] <chillywilly> I said *where*
[04:42] <bddebian> NICE, zhcon builds/installs now
[04:55] <schweeb> ajmitch: I'm working now too... kind of
[04:56] <bddebian> Hello schweeb, seth_k
[04:57] <seth_k> hi bddebian
[05:03] <bddebian> Do any MOTUs actually look at what has been done on UniverseUnmetDeps?
[05:07] <schweeb> heh, I dont really check any of that stuff anymore... I really need to start contributing again
[05:08] <schweeb> currently, I'm a little wrapped up in my job
[05:08] <schweeb> (especially considering I'm working as we speak)
[05:09] <seth_k> bddebian: I'm sure, why?
[05:10] <bddebian> schweeb: I just meant in general.  Im not an MOTU so I didn't know if someone actually looked at it that could upload
[05:10] <schweeb> oh, you're looking for people to upload stuff?
[05:11] <schweeb> generally, the quickest way to get repaired packages looked at is to put them on there, and them poke an MOTU in here to review and upload it
[05:11] <schweeb> actually... I think REVU is the new system
[05:11] <schweeb> but I haven't used it yet
[05:11] <bddebian> Well new packages go on REVU yes.  I already have two there ;-)
[05:11] <seth_k> yeah, but a lot of UnmetDeps stuff is just build-dep changes or rebuilds, so a debdiff is enough
[05:12] <seth_k> (for those ones, that is)
[05:12] <bddebian> :-)
[05:54] <chillywilly> W: smartmontools: copyright-lists-upstream-authors-with-dh_make-boilerplate
[05:54] <chillywilly> W: smartmontools: description-synopsis-might-not-be-phrased-properly
[05:54] <chillywilly> no idea what those mean
[05:56] <chillywilly> I alsop get warning about CVS dirs being present but I did rebuild the package from a CVS checkout :)
[05:59] <bddebian> chillywilly: Delete any CVS dirs
[05:59] <chillywilly> sure, that's an easy fix
[05:59] <bddebian> And check the copyright and description sections of the files under debian
[06:03] <chillywilly> Description looks fine though
[06:04] <chillywilly> dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends}
[06:04] <chillywilly> that's interesting
[06:10] <bddebian> w0000t
[08:22] <HostingGeek> http://david.navi.cx/images/sexy-xchat-gnome.png
[08:52] <pef> hi
[09:37] <JRe> hi
[09:52] <carlospc> Hello masters of universe
[09:52] <carlospc> an easy question: do you know what happens to the udebs in arch, they pass directly to main/debian-installer or they go first to universe/debian-installer
[10:00] <siretart> morning
[10:01] <siretart> carlospc: I think you'll have to ask Kamion, he is our debian installer guru
[10:03] <carlospc> siretart: Ok, thanks in advance
[10:05] <siretart> a big THANK YOU to anyone providing these nice .debdiffs for UniverseUnmetDeps!
[10:15] <Amaranth> it was one of the backports guys
[10:15] <Amaranth> or both
[10:20] <pef> A package in UnmetDeps depends on a package which doesn't exists, what should I do ?
[10:20] <pef> the nonexistent package is libwxgtk2.5.3-python
[10:22] <siretart> pef: wxwidgets 2.5 is utterly broken and abandoned. try to get it built against 2.6 (if available yet) or 2.4
[10:22] <Burgundavia> 2.6 is NEWed apparently
[10:23] <Amaranth> yeah, wait for 2.6
[10:23] <Amaranth> once 2.6 hits i'm going to work on vlc
[10:23] <pef> ok, thanks
[10:24] <pef> is my changelog right ? http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/libxml-writer-perl-0507161905/libxml-writer-perl_0.545-2ubuntu1.diff.gz
[10:27] <siretart> pef: I think so, but I'm not sure, because I don't have time right now to look at the whole package
[10:28] <siretart> pef: I do think that revu is not that suited to these kind of updates. better provide debdiffs to the existing package in the archive, since that minimizes reviewing work
[10:28] <pef> siretart: just a question about the revision number, I'm not sure if I just have to add buildx or increase the release number
[10:29] <siretart> pef: that depends. if the debdiff really only contains changes to debian/changelog (and it hasn't *ubuntu* in its version string yet), then -Xbuild1 would be right
[10:30] <pef> siretart: so no necessary to add ubuntu to the version ?
[10:30] <siretart> pef: but changelog mentions you also touched debian/control. so you'll want prohibit autosyncing from debian by introducing an 'ubuntu' version
[10:31] <pef> siretart: it's an aestetic change, a warning in lintian about the first capital letter of synopsis in debian/control
[10:31] <siretart> I see
[10:31] <Amaranth> also, if something just needs a rebuild don't upload a new version just to get it, it'll screw up syncing with debian
[10:33] <pef> Amaranth: adding buidx prevents this, right ?
[10:33] <pef> s/buidx/buildx/
[10:34] <Amaranth> changing anything prevents syncing
[10:38] <pef> siretart: maybe a stupid question, but where is the location you mean with "better provide debdiffs to the existing package in the archive", is it the unmetdeps wiki page ?
[10:39] <siretart> pef: do you have some webspace to put them on? if you don't find an better place, link them from your personal wiki page
[10:41] <pef> siretart: ok for hosting the debfiles, but where should I put the links to theses files ? on my personnal wiki page who will be noticed of theses files ?
[10:42] <siretart> ping a motu in here from time to time to look at them. sorry, I'm really busy right now
[10:43] <pef> siretart: ok, thanks :)
[10:48] <\sh> anyone who can approve, that X is working again on breezy? ,-)
[10:48] <Burgundavia> depends on the person and the machine \sh
[10:49] <Burgundavia> mine does, but I run x86
[10:49] <jsgotangco> of you can put your trust on the almighty on this one
[10:49] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:50] <\sh> Burgundavia: well..me too...but after the last 5 tries xorg won...or better to say: god was much stronger then the man infront of the laptop
[10:50] <siretart> \sh: following #ubuntu-devel, I'd suspect not yet, but a fix is expected RSN
[10:50] <\sh> siretart: -43 is out
[10:51] <\sh> that's why i asked
[10:51] <siretart> yes, but xbase-clients is still missing
[10:51] <\sh> ah ok...so i'll w8 ,-)
[11:04] <pef> siretart: can you delete upid 146, 147 and 151 from revu ?
[11:05] <siretart> pef: make a comment below, some admin will handle it (there are some;))
[11:06] <pef> siretart: ok, thanks
[11:23] <j^> is someone working on getting http://packages.debian.org/experimental/source/wxwidgets2.6 into universe?
 2.6 is NEWed apparently
[11:26] <Burgundavia> that is word from elmo
[11:27] <j^> ok so its only hold up by missing files in libxxf86vm-dev
[11:28] <Amaranth> held up by general xorg brokenness, probably
[11:28] <j^> /usr/X11R6/lib/libXxf86vm.la
[11:28] <j^> im not able to compile it since libXxf86vm.la is missing
[11:28] <Amaranth> ...
[11:28] <Amaranth> /usr/X11R6/ is gone
[11:28] <Amaranth> *poof*, no more
[11:29] <j^> not yet
[11:29] <Amaranth> well, don't have wxwidgets2.6 point there
[11:29] <Amaranth> make it look in /usr/lib/X11/
[11:30] <j^> hm, i thougth it will all go to /usr/lib, so /usr/X11R6/lib/libXxf86vm.la -> /usr/lib/libXxf86vm.la
[11:31] <Amaranth> no, it's going to /usr/lib/X11/ appearently
[11:31] <Amaranth> j^: daniels says that file has never existed and never will....
[11:33] <j^> had the same issue with /usr/lib/libXrender.la not being in libxrender-dev
[11:33] <Amaranth> that file is dead
[11:33] <Amaranth> if anything uses it it's a bug
[11:34] <j^> which one?
[11:34] <j^> all .la files?
[11:37] <Amaranth> libXrender.la is gone
[11:37] <Amaranth> libXxf86vm.la never existed at all
[11:40] <j^> apt-get source libxrender-dev; cd libxrender-0.9.0;echo usr/lib/libXrender.la >> debian/libxrender-dev.install; dpkg-buildpackage i get it though
[11:43] <j^> to my understanding of how libtool works i need libXrender.la to link to it
[11:45] <Amaranth> do not do that
[11:45] <Amaranth> no, anything that needs libXrender.la is broken and needs to have a bug filed against it
[11:46] <tseng> static is teh suck
[11:50] <Lathiat> ah but stetic is good
[12:08] <Nafallo> \sh: ping
[12:10] <Nafallo> wow! \sh actually away from computer?
[12:10] <tseng> its ok, im not
[12:11] <Nafallo> hehe
[12:26] <siretart> Nafallo: I added you to the revu keyring, you may proceed with uploading now to revu
[12:27] <Nafallo> siretart: thanx :-)
[12:35] <Nafallo> could someone upload my diff for libdc0? should be a no-brainer :-)
[12:35] <Nafallo> http://www.magicalforest.se/tmp/libdc0_0.3.7-2ubuntu2.diff
[12:37] <\sh> Nafallo: i can read everything ,-)
[12:38] <\sh> even if i'm not directly here
[12:38] <Nafallo> \sh: take that as pong :-)
[12:38] <Nafallo> \sh: what do you think about https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1241259&group_id=235&atid=300235 ?
[12:41] <comadreja> where is libslang2-dev ? I've got a build-dep unmet
[12:41] <comadreja> there is even no libslang2
[12:41] <Nafallo> comadreja: we are not doing the slang2 transition
[12:41] <\sh> Nafallo: it's XMPP 1.0 standard
[12:41] <comadreja> I see, then aalib has to be changed
[12:41] <\sh> Nafallo: psi and gaim but refusing to implement it, cause it has many other pitfalls...
[12:42] <comadreja> I'll work on that, thanks :)
[12:42] <Nafallo> \sh: no clients I know of have honoured them. hence that wishlist bug ;-).
[12:42] <\sh> Nafallo: tkabber
[12:43] <Nafallo> \sh: really? when I filled that bug I asked them in #gaim about it. the only problem seemed that noone had the time to implement it.
[12:43] <Nafallo> \sh: tk is scary ;-)
[12:44] <\sh> hahaha...
[12:44] <\sh> my colleagues got new hp laptops
[12:44] <\sh> hp 6120
[12:44] <\sh> and they didn't order XP with it...so they have freedos per default
[12:44] <\sh> i told them: new law at hp: order xp or u get freedos and ask \sh for ubuntu *lol*
[12:45] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:46] <Nafallo> hmm, where are the pitfalls with SRV?
[12:47] <\sh> Nafallo: not with DNS SRV but with XMPP 1.0 at all
[12:47] <\sh> u have to change a lot
[12:47] <Nafallo> ah
[12:47] <\sh> Nafallo: tls must be supported by default
[12:48] <Nafallo> \sh: that's not this bug, is it? :-)
[12:48] <\sh> Nafallo: if they implement DNS SRV lookups...they should implement XMPP 1.0 the right way ,-)
[12:49] <Nafallo> hehe
[12:49] <\sh> cause in the DNS SRV record u give the port to connect ... and then the client should decide what to send...plain or tls
[12:49] <\sh> actually it would also be ok, implement a correct jabber transport handling into gaim
[12:49] <Nafallo> should I bug seb128 about that patch? :-)
[12:50] <\sh> Nafallo: there is only one version of gaim, right? not just like sylpheed and sylpheed claws?
[12:50] <Nafallo> \sh: indeed
[12:51] <Nafallo> 1:1.4.0-1ubuntu1
[12:53] <\sh> hmmm...i would test it first
[12:55] <Nafallo> \sh: I will :-)
[01:00] <\sh> Nafallo: do u think we can get a dev release of gaim etc?
[01:00] <\sh> I would like to have it for MOTUIM
[01:01] <\sh> brb
[01:01] <Nafallo> \sh: dunno. we could always have that in universe I guess?
[01:02] <Nafallo> \sh: this patch should go to main gaim though ;-)
[01:10] <tamir> corey?
[01:21] <\sh> Nafallo: yeah..just a version with some patches applied which don't go into the main upstream source directly...
[01:23] <Nafallo> \sh: do we need to chat to someone before doing an initial release? :-)
[01:24] <\sh> Nafallo: yes...it has to go to revu
[01:24] <\sh> let us discuss this on -devel
[01:24] <Nafallo> oki
[01:24] <\sh> I want to have the same for psi
[01:24] <Burgundavia> look for tamir
[01:24] <\sh> and also kopete
[01:25] <Burgundavia> it is Corey Burger
[01:26] <\sh> Nafallo: i will propose something on #ubuntu-devel
[01:27] <\sh> aeh ubuntu-devel ML ,-)
[01:27] <Nafallo> \sh: ahh, oki :-). and then you're probably recruting me for motuIM? ;-)
[01:30] <\sh> Nafallo: if you're the one who is taking care about gaim, feel free to join :)
[01:31] <Nafallo> hehehe
[01:31] <Nafallo> might aswell want to do that indeed ;-)
[01:32] <Nafallo> wth
[01:32] <Nafallo> gaim ftbfs here ;-)
[01:32] <Nafallo> and that's the version in the archive.
[01:39] <\sh> Nafallo: mail send
[01:40] <\sh> if you have something to add, please do :)
[01:48] <Burgundavia> tamir, you here?
[01:49] <tamir> yes
[01:50] <Burgundavia> welcome to the #ubuntu-motu
[01:50] <tamir> thanks :)
[01:50] <Burgundavia> it is 4:50 am for me, so I am going to keep it short
[01:51] <tamir> mm ok
[01:51] <Burgundavia> basically, if you want your changes to make it into ubuntu, take the source package from breezy
[01:51] <Burgundavia> make your changes and then upload to a tool called REVU
[01:51] <comadreja> siretart : ping
[01:51] <tamir> I dont understand
[01:52] <tamir> what are you talking about?
[01:52] <Burgundavia> for the amd64 stuff you have been doing
[01:52] <tamir> ok
[01:52] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[01:53] <tamir> Do you want me to upload debs to you?
[01:53] <Burgundavia> nope
[01:53] <tamir> as a mirror?
[01:53] <Burgundavia> the REVU tool was created by siretart
[01:53] <Burgundavia> it allows the masters of the universe to vet your changes
[01:53] <tamir> yeah I see
[01:54] <tamir> which changes?
[01:54] <Burgundavia> if they like them, they upload your changes into ubuntu
[01:54] <Burgundavia> anything you did to get a package working on amd64
[01:54] <siretart> if your changes to the source package are rather small, a .debdiff is prefered, though. this minimizes reviewing work
[01:54] <tamir> mm I don't understand. realy. I don't know ever who is the masters
[01:55] <Burgundavia> the masters of the universe is a joke name
[01:55] <Burgundavia> for those who manage the universe repo
[01:55] <tamir> ahh ok
[01:55] <siretart> you may also say 'maintainers' of the universe, that probably fits better
[01:55] <Burgundavia> siretart, for background tamir has been doing some amd64 specific stuff on the forums
[01:56] <Burgundavia> so I invited him here, so that a larger audience can enjoy his work
[01:56] <siretart> cool, welcome on board tamir!
[01:56] <tamir> so what should I upload ant what for
[01:56] <tamir> thanks
[01:56] <tamir> and*
[01:56] <tamir> Sorry but my english is not very well :/
[01:57] <ogra_> \sh, you know that gaim is in main ?
[01:57] <tamir> yesh
[01:57] <tamir> yesh
[01:57] <tamir> oops
[01:57] <tamir> yeah
[01:57] <tamir> :)
[01:57] <Nafallo> ogra_: gaim-universe isn't :-)
[01:58] <ogra_> huh, gaim-universe ?
[01:59] <Nafallo> ogra: or what we want to call it. I suppose you talk about \sh's mail to ubuntu-devel?
[01:59] <ogra> yep...
[01:59] <comadreja> siretart : could you check bugzilla #12673 ? I have added a comment
[01:59] <ogra> call it gaim-cvs or gaim-snapshot then
[01:59] <siretart> comadreja: not right now, sorry. will do later
[01:59] <comadreja> siretart : sure
[01:59] <Nafallo> ogra: we want something like gaim-devel to do things with gaim we shouldn't do to the package in main. test new features and stuff :-).
[02:00] <Burgundavia> tamir, any changes you have made to make a package work on amd64 when it didn't previously
[02:01] <Nafallo> ogra: in the mail it's called gaim-devel. anyway, the names isn't the problem atm. we wanted input from people like seb128 if we should go ahead or if he has any objections :-)
[02:01] <tamir> ok
[02:01] <ogra> yep, i understand... but dont call it -devel (might be confusing with the -dev) and dont bind it to the component (universe)
[02:01] <tamir> But I didn't make changes, I just made it, no-one made before me
[02:01] <Burgundavia> tamir, best to see first if the issue still exists on Breezy (the next development version)
[02:02] <tamir> Yeah good idea
[02:02] <Nafallo> ogra: hmm, yea. that's a good point :-).
[02:05] <Burgundavia> tamir, cheers. I need to sleep now. ogra or siretart will be able to help you if you get stuck
[02:05] <tamir> Burgundavia: But the most of my package is for main
[02:05] <tamir> actually I dont have what to do
[02:06] <SloMoSnail> can someone on amd64 test if python-gnome2-dev is installable?
[02:06] <tamir> that because I didnt make changes
[02:06] <Burgundavia> tamir, e17 currently doesn't exist in Ubuntu
[02:07] <tamir> I make debs of that
[02:07] <tamir> made
[02:07] <\sh> ogra: yes...thats why I asked..I want to have gaim-devel in universe
[02:07] <Nafallo> \sh: or gaim-somegoodname :-)
[02:07] <Burgundavia> tamir, those can be uploaded to revu
[02:07] <\sh> Nafallo: yeah
[02:08] <tamir> mm ok
[02:08] <tamir> how I do that?
[02:08] <\sh> ogra: propose something...right now...I'm having troubles with Nokia Dbox1 and new smartcard series :(
[02:08] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[02:08] <Burgundavia> there is the process
[02:08] <tamir> ok thanks
[02:08] <ogra> \sh, gaim-cvs
[02:08] <ogra> \sh, gaim-snapshot ?
[02:08] <\sh> gaim-motuim ,-)
[02:09] <\sh> joking
[02:09] <Nafallo> gaim-experimental :-)
[02:09] <ogra> hmm, how do you pronounce motuim ?
[02:09] <\sh> hahaha
[02:09] <\sh> u got it
[02:09] <\sh> u got me
[02:09] <Nafallo> motuIM
[02:09] <Nafallo> :-)
[02:09] <\sh> actually...the meaning is: MOTU-InstantMessaging
[02:10] <\sh> but you can pronounce it as : MOTU-I'm (I am)
[02:10] <Burgundavia> tamir, good luck and thanks
[02:10] <tamir> :) no problem
[02:11] <Nafallo> haha! yoda inspired ;-)
[02:11] <\sh> Nafallo: but it wasn't thinking about that...It came to me after I created the page...and I said: ok, nobody will see it, or is taking care about it..
[02:12] <\sh> but ogra...he's our boss :)
[02:12] <Nafallo> hehehe
[02:12] <\sh> he saw it right away *lol*
[02:12] <ogra> boss ?huh ?
[02:12] <ogra> i'm no boss :)
[02:13] <Nafallo> s/boss/master/ then ;-)
[02:13] <ogra> pfft
[02:13] <Nafallo> kinky :-)
[02:13] <\sh> ogra: you were thinking about this pronounciation?
[02:13] <ogra> heh, yes
[02:14] <ogra> \sh, but call it what you want, as long as seb128 and the rest is fine with such a package
[02:14] <\sh> ogra: actually I don't want to interfere with anybody
[02:15] <ogra> yes, thats good
[02:15] <\sh> so...if we can have a package like gaim-snapshot or psi-cvs I'm fine...
[02:18] <tamir> can someone please explain what gnupg is?
[02:18] <\sh> gpg
[02:18] <\sh> a crypt tool
[02:19] <siretart> we really need some wiki page giving pointers to good gpg tutorials and a quick gpg howto..
[02:19] <siretart> :/
[02:19] <tamir> sorry for my english, but I realy don't understand what crypt means
[02:19] <Treenaks> I have a Dutch version...
[02:19] <Treenaks> tamir: cryptography
[02:19] <Nafallo> Treenaks: translate it ;-)
[02:20] <tamir> ok now I understand
[02:20] <tamir> with babylon :)
[02:20] <Treenaks> Nafallo: well, babelfish doesn't mess it up too bad...
[02:20] <Treenaks> Nafallo: foodfight.org/ondertekenen
[02:20] <tamir> but what should we use it for?
[02:21] <Treenaks> tamir: it's used for lots of things already
[02:21] <Nafallo> Treenaks: that's not swedish ;-)
[02:21] <tamir> like?
[02:21] <Treenaks> Nafallo: it's close.. Dutch should be readable if you know Swedish :) babelfish can translate
[02:22] <Nafallo> Treenaks: I know swedish and that you are wrong ;-)
[02:22] <Treenaks> Nafallo: just try ;)
[02:22] <Nafallo> just did :-P
[02:23] <Treenaks> tamir: for example, it's used for uploading packages to Ubuntu: a developer uses gnupg to "sign" it, so the server knows it has not changed, and that is has been uploaded by an authorized developer
[02:23] <Nafallo> Treenaks: anyway. translate it to english if it's a good explanation of gpg and put it on the wiki ;-)
[02:23] <tamir> oh ok
[02:23] <tamir> thanks
[02:23] <Treenaks> tamir: that's a very simple version of the explanation though :) you can use it for lots of other things
[02:25] <Treenaks> Nafallo: doesn't babelfish work for you?
[02:25] <tamir> I am not trying to deb koffice 1.4 for amd64
[02:25] <Nafallo> Treenaks: I dunno. I won't need that tutor :-)
[02:25] <tamir> I will take a look on breezy
[02:25] <tamir> where I check it?
[02:26] <tamir> packages.ubuntu.com is not helping me
[02:29] <tamir> mm actually I see there
[02:29] <tamir> koffice 1.4
[02:44] <zyga> hello
[02:44] <zyga> hmm
[02:45] <siretart> hi zyga
[02:45] <zyga> gnome baker has released version 0.4
[02:46] <zyga> I'm looking for a way to add it to hoary or probably backports
[02:46] <Amaranth> who do i talk to to get vlc 0.8.2 synced from sid?
[02:46] <zyga> (hello siretart)
[02:46] <tamir> can I get here support about debing too?
[02:47] <Amaranth> i mean, it's going to need work after the sync (theora_pic, bad X path, wxwidgets2.6) but i thought i should get a regular sync before working on an 0.8.2 package
[02:47] <Amaranth> tamir: no
[02:47] <tamir> ok
[02:47] <Amaranth> if you meant debian
[02:47] <siretart> tamir: sure you can ask any packaging related question here!
[02:48] <siretart> tamir: we will try to help you as much we can
[02:48] <tamir> huh, I have a problem on compiling a deb
[02:48] <tamir> to show output here?
[02:49] <zyga> hmm
[02:49] <siretart> tamir: use paste.debian.net for longer pastes
[02:50] <tamir> it is not long
[02:50] <siretart> zyga: there will be no updates to hoary, except security updates
[02:50] <tamir> 6 lines
[02:50] <siretart> tamir: everything >3 lines is long ;)
[02:50] <zyga> how does translation from rosetta find their way to packages
[02:50] <tamir> :) ok
[02:50] <zyga> gnomebaker is semi translated at runtime and fully translated in rosetta
[02:50] <tamir> :) I just made deb of gnomebaker
[02:50] <siretart> zyga: for backports, ask Mez, I'm not uptodate with that
[02:51] <zyga> tamir: great!
[02:51] <tamir> but for amd64
[02:51] <zyga> tamir: could I recompile it for i386?
[02:51] <tamir> I can do for i386 on chroot
[02:51] <tamir> ofcource
[02:51] <zyga> (I've got amd64 too but it's not ready yet
[02:51] <zyga> I've just burned colony cd 2 though)
[02:51] <tamir> for amd64 visit my repository:
[02:52] <tamir> deb tamir.nooms.de/ubuntu hoary main
[02:52] <Amaranth> oh, you meant packaging :)
[02:52] <Amaranth> i thought you wanted help with some random debian issue
[02:53] <zyga> tamir: do you have a src repository?
[02:53] <tamir> no I am working on it
[02:53] <ogra> Amaranth, as i tell you every day, wait for wxwin2.6 to pass NEW....
[02:53] <ogra> (for vlc that is)
[02:53] <Amaranth> ogra: I know about that
[02:53] <Amaranth> that's not why i want a sync
[02:53] <ogra> Amaranth, syncing it now would be silly...
[02:54] <tamir> I have a problem while compiling koffice :
[02:54] <tamir> http://paste.debian.net/1260
[02:54] <zyga> tamir: is that a .tar.gz for sure?
[02:54] <tamir> are you talking about koffice?
[02:55] <tamir> or gnomebaker
[02:55] <zyga> tamir: the former
[02:55] <tamir> I downloaded from breezy the .dsc .orig.tar.gz .diff
[02:56] <zyga> what does file * says?
[02:57] <tamir> when I write dpkg-buildpackage again i get:
[02:57] <tamir> dpkg-source: building koffice using existing koffice_1.4.0.orig.tar.gz
[02:57] <tamir> dpkg-source: failure: unable to create `koffice_1.4.0.orig.tar.gz.tmp-nest': File exists
[02:59] <tamir> I googled it, and it didn't help
[03:02] <zyga> tamir: I'm not good at building deb's I don't know how to help you
[03:03] <tamir> ok
[03:08] <ogra> tamir, why do you build these things ? gnomebaker and koffice are already in ?
[03:09] <tamir> it is for hoary
[03:09] <tamir> for amd64
[03:11] <drcode> hi all
[03:11] <drcode> any one up
[03:12] <ogra> tamir, ah, yes
[03:12] <SloMoSnail> hi drcode
[03:12] <tamir> :)
[03:12] <drcode> hi
[03:13] <drcode> I am looking for opendev
[03:14] <drcode> I Have idea for some project that will take linux some steps forward
[03:14] <SloMoSnail> what is opendev? but tell us more :)
[03:15] <drcode> k
[03:15] <drcode> My Idea is to bring linux into all users
[03:15] <drcode> It mean to develope some gui tool
[03:15] <drcode> that will work in gnome/xfce/kde
[03:15] <tamir> there are some dists for that
[03:15] <drcode> and be main setup tool
[03:16] <drcode> like?
[03:16] <tamir> like mandriva, fedota
[03:16] <tamir> fedora
[03:16] <tamir> linspire
[03:16] <zyga> like suse's thing? what's it's called?
[03:16] <drcode> U mean hardware ?
[03:16] <SloMoSnail> zyga: yast iirc
[03:16] <drcode> U didnt understand
[03:16] <zyga> yast, that's it
[03:16] <drcode> no
[03:16] <drcode> those tools are for hw
[03:17] <SloMoSnail> ogra: MOM?
[03:17] <Treenaks> mother of all merges?
[03:18] <zyga> drcode: so what's that tool would be for?
[03:19] <ogra> SloMoSnail, http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/
[03:19] <ogra> Merge-O-Matic
[03:19] <Goshawk> hi
[03:19] <drcode> for users that are not profesnal with computer
[03:19] <zyga> Your involvement
[03:20] <drcode> thay get shook to write and type and so
[03:20] <zyga> sorry..
[03:20] <\sh> hmmm
[03:20] <tamir> drcode: for that we have mandriva
[03:20] <\sh> X is starting, in gdm or xdm i can enter my user+pass...but in gnome...no keyboard
[03:20] <tamir> or fedora
[03:20] <drcode> let me read about
[03:20] <drcode> a min
[03:20] <tamir> many guis
[03:20] <ogra> \sh, careful, dont complain to daniels....
[03:20] <\sh> yeah
[03:21] <\sh> my fault anyway
[03:21] <ogra> nope, seb128's fault, as always ;)
[03:21] <\sh> kde is working?
[03:21] <ogra> \sh, whom do you ask that ?
[03:22] <Goshawk> i bought a new laptop (amd64) and i need ndiswrapper (that i've already compiled by myself) why in the ubuntu repo there is only the i386 version?
[03:22] <\sh> anybody != ogra ,-)
[03:22] <zyga> Goshawk: probably because ndiswrapper uses 32bit windows drivers
[03:22] <Goshawk> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ndiswrapper&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[03:22] <tamir> Goshawk: see this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=48905
[03:22] <Goshawk> zyga, i'm on a 64 bit
[03:23] <zyga> Goshawk: I know
[03:23] <Goshawk> and i'm using my wlan0 interface
[03:23] <Goshawk> so why not compile a ndiswrapper-util for amd64?
[03:23] <zyga> Goshawk: hmmm?
[03:23] <zyga> Goshawk: how did you get your wlan0 working?
[03:24] <Goshawk> i get the amd64 drivers from internet
[03:24] <Goshawk> zyga, it was easy
[03:24] <\sh> ogra: no really...strange thing...gdm == keyboard is working (mainly, not all of it) but in gnome itself..no ways
[03:24] <Goshawk> follow this
[03:24] <Goshawk> i'm on a asus a6770klh
[03:25] <Goshawk> zyga, wait i'm loading the thread at ubuntuforum
[03:25] <Goshawk> here it is : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31926
[03:25] <ogra> Goshawk, ndiswrapper for amd64 it not officially in a stable upstream release yet... if it gets there, you'll find it in ubuntu too
[03:25] <Goshawk> i get the lastes stable of ndiswrapper atsurgeforge
[03:25] <Goshawk> compiled and installed the amd64 drivers
[03:26] <Goshawk> and this is available from 5 may 05
[03:26] <ogra> you asked why its not in l-r-m yet
[03:26] <Goshawk> 2 months ago
[03:26] <Goshawk> yep... ok so i'll find it soon, isn't it?
[03:26] <Goshawk> ps: it works at 100% using both b/g standards
[03:26] <ogra> as long as upstream doesnt consider it stable, no, and according to their words its not stable yet
[03:27] <ogra> since its a very intrusive change to the l-r-m package
[03:28] <Goshawk> ehm excuse me but what's "l-r-m"?
[03:28] <ogra> Goshawk, btw, thats the wrong channel for this discussion.... nobody here touches kernel packages :)
[03:28] <ogra> linux-restricted-modules, the package that contains ndiswrapper
[03:28] <Goshawk> ??? are you sure?
[03:29] <ogra> yep
[03:29] <Goshawk> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ndiswrapper&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[03:29] <Goshawk> this says different
[03:29] <ogra> nope
[03:30] <Nafallo> Goshawk: really? it says ndiswrapper-_source_ is in universe
[03:30] <ogra> it doesnt say anything about ndiswrapper... its the scripts and the source
[03:30] <ogra> but anyway, thats offtopic here
[03:31] <Nafallo> ogra: remind me to never touch ndiswrapper-foo btw ;-)
[03:31] <ogra> heh
[03:31] <Goshawk> ndiswrapper-utils is the needed package. ok stop blaming, sory
[03:32] <ogra> ndiswrapper-utils is a collection of scripts, it doesnt contain ndiswrapper
[03:32] <ogra> the binary parts are in l-r-m
[03:37] <Goshawk> ok
[03:43] <SloMoSnail> i'll leave now... will be back in 2 hours ;) bye bye
[03:46] <Nafallo> \sh: seb reacted :-)
[03:47] <\sh> Nafallo: ml?
[03:47] <\sh> i only read siretarts and mez reply
[03:47] <Nafallo> \sh: #ubuntu-devel ;-)
[03:47] <Mez> ...?
[03:48] <Mez> sorry somethign to do with me?
[03:49] <bddebian> Morning
[03:51] <\sh> Nafallo: actually I don't want to bug seb128 because of this, cause it should be application testing with some improvements, which can be ported to main packages
[03:51] <tamir> I am building now a deb of firefox 1.1 alpha 2
[03:51] <tamir> :)
[03:52] <Nafallo> \sh: indeed.
[03:53] <Nafallo> \sh: but then again. it's not gaim-cvs, it is gaim-with-unofficial-patches or something :-)
[03:53] <\sh> yes...gaim-testing
[03:53] <\sh> psi-testing
[03:54] <Nafallo> hmm, I should ubuntuify jigit
[03:55] <Mez> speaking of gaim
[03:55] <Mez> gaim-assistant on revu :D hehe
[03:58] <comadreja> could somebody review clanlib, gcl and gmail-notify ?
[04:01] <bddebian> There is quite a bit on REVU ;-)
[04:01] <comadreja> don't tell me, my hands are tied
[04:02] <comadreja> :)
[04:02] <comadreja> I can't review packages
[04:02] <bddebian> I know, I was kidding :-)
[04:04] <ogra> guys first priority are the 200 merge bugs that are waiting !! not reviewing.... we can get the NEW stuff later in !! deadline for meges is TOMORROW !
[04:04] <dave> hi, is anyone experiences with preseeding the installer and a custom boot cd ?
[04:04] <dave> *experienced*
[04:04] <ogra> dave, wrong channel
[04:04] <dave> really ? where to go to ?
[04:04] <dave> ubuntu-devel ?
[04:04] <ogra> the installer isnt in universe ;)
[04:04] <ogra> yep
[04:05] <dave> thx - will ask there
[04:05] <comadreja> ogra, what's the official position regarding slang2 ? should it be removed ? substituted by slang1 ?
[04:06] <ogra> comadreja, no idea... currently
[04:06] <comadreja> ogra, clanlib solves a bug in unmetdeps btw
[04:06] <ogra> great
[04:06] <siretart> comadreja: ask Kamion
[04:06] <comadreja> gcl too
[04:06] <comadreja> I mean because it's in revu, maybe that's one of the bugs you were talking
[04:07] <Nafallo> ogra: I have another main-patch on the way ;-)
[04:08] <comadreja> btw, how can I help with those merges
[04:08] <Nafallo> comadreja: ignore the jigit merge :-)
[04:08] <ogra> comadreja, i'm talking about 200 merge bugs in MOM that need to be fixed tomorrow... nobody cared about it since someone made reviewing the highest prio...
[04:10] <ogra> comadreja, look in bugzilla for "merge" and for universe stuff in this list: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/xscreensaver/
[04:10] <comadreja> cool
[04:11] <siretart> perhaps it would be best to attach debdiffs to the bugreports
[04:12] <ogra> err without xscreensaver indeed :)
[04:12] <siretart> ?
[04:12] <bddebian> ogra: Merge bugs??
[04:12] <ogra> siretart, yes, if there are bugs... not all stuff is bugged yet
[04:13] <siretart> ogra: oh.. hm
[04:13] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/ not http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/xscreensaver/
[04:13] <bddebian> Ohh, the MOM stuff
[04:13] <ogra> yes !
[04:13] <ogra> :)
[04:13] <bddebian> No one would ever explain that process to me when I was trying to fix xfwm
[04:15] <\sh> ogra: and what about version upgrades?
[04:17] <bddebian> So stop on UniverseUnmetDeps and look at MOM?
[04:17] <ogra> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=UPSTREAM&bug_status=PENDINGUPLOAD&field0-0-0=product&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=merging&field0-0-1=component&type0-0-1=substring&value0-0-1=merging&field0-0-2=short_desc&type0-0-2=substring&value0-0-2=merging&field0-0-3=status_whiteboard&type0-0-3=substring&value0-0-3=merging
[04:17] <ogra> \sh, thats what the merging is about...
[04:17] <ogra> \sh, merge the ubuntuX changes into the new debian version
[04:17] <bddebian> ogra: Isn't bugzilla for main bugs only now??
[04:18] <ogra> bddebian, look at the "UNKNOWN" ones
[04:18] <\sh> ogra: that wasn't my question...upstream version freeze ,-)
[04:18] <ogra> \sh, not for the merges tht exist as bugs
[04:19] <\sh> ah ok
[04:20] <ogra> merge them and close the bug....
[04:23] <Nafallo> yay! no firefox. who wants to bug seb about it? ;-)
[04:23] <ogra> grr
[04:23] <\sh> yes
[04:23] <\sh> alsaplayer
[04:23] <siretart> ogra: throw out revu from topic
[04:24] <ogra> thats better :)
[04:24] <siretart> ok
[04:25] <ogra> mostly its only rebuilding the available package thats linked in the bugreport (i guess thats 80%)
[04:26] <bddebian> ogra: Is this MOTUs only?
[04:26] <ogra> the other 20% will need some love
[04:26] <ogra> bddebian, the tinyurl list, yes
[04:27] <infinito> hi everyone
[04:27] <bddebian> Is that a shortened url for the list you pasted earlier?
[04:27] <bddebian> Hello infinito
[04:28] <infinito> do anyone know if there's anyway otherthan irc to ask for a debian->universe sync?
[04:28] <ogra> tseng, there is also mono in the list, i guess most of them can just get closed, could you look through the list ?
[04:28] <ogra> bddebian, nope, its a shotened url for only universe bugs in this list
[04:29] <bddebian> ogra: OK, so what should us "slaves" be doing for you?? :-)
[04:29] <ogra> please everyody look through the list, i know there are some packages where a new version is already in, so if you touched such a package, and its uploaded already, just close the bug
[04:30] <ogra> if its not in yet, try a recomplie of the source package thats linked in the bug.... if that works, upload and close the bu
[04:30] <ogra> g
[04:31] <ogra> infinito, we have MOTUToSync on the wiki...
[04:31] <ogra> infinito, but asking here is mostly the quicker way
[04:31] <\sh> damn shit X
[04:31] <\sh> sorry
[04:31] <ogra> in other news we are in upstream version freeze ;)
[04:32] <ogra> (means we dont sync anymore without approval)
[04:32] <infinito> ummmm
[04:32] <infinito> we we're waiting for gcfilms to get synched for a while
[04:32] <ogra> your 2 weeks to late :), which package did you want to have synced
[04:32] <infinito> gcfilms
[04:33] <ogra> infinito, where did you request the sync ?
[04:33] <infinito> we filled a request on UniverseCandidates
[04:33] <infinito> didn't know about MOTuToSync
[04:34] <ogra> infinito, i should have gotten synced automatically... without any action... since when is it in debian ?
[04:34] <\sh> I can't compile KDE stuff..
[04:34] <infinito> not sure, but i think just onw week or two
[04:34] <infinito> it taken too long to get into debian, the packager was missing :(
[04:34] <ogra> hmm, a bit late...
[04:35] <infinito> i didn't know about the freeze
[04:35] <ogra> but i'll see what we can do about it
[04:35] <\sh> how should I fix the bugs until tomorrow
[04:35] <infinito> that will be great
[04:35] <ogra> our release schedule is public ;)
[04:35] <\sh> impossible
[04:36] <ogra> \sh, yes, because nobody listens since weeks if i say reviewing shouldnt be our first prio... :(
[04:36] <ogra> \sh, the merge buglist is there since months...
[04:36] <infinito> ogra, yeah i know, im stupid
[04:36] <\sh> ogra: no..liopenexr-dev
[04:36] <\sh> glu fun
[04:36] <ogra> infinito, nah... probably we should make it more public :)
[04:37] <tamir> I made a deb for firefox 1.1 alpha 2, vet unstable!
[04:37] <bddebian> ogra: "nobody listened for weeks when I said" ???
[04:38] <\sh> smoking...
[04:38] <ogra> bddebian, i had some heavy discussions with dholbach about it... and mentioned it in the channel...
[04:39] <ogra> bddebian, not merging means we go with hoary versions of these 200 packaes :(
[04:39] <bddebian> ogra: That was an "English correction" statement :-)
[04:39] <ogra> oh, ok, thanks
[04:39] <ogra> :)
[04:39] <bddebian> ogra: I'd love to help but I'm not MOTU I guess
[04:40] <ogra> especially some ion3 users will be upset if we ship the version i broke in hoary :)
[04:40] <infinito> ogra, so is there any way to get gcfilms into breezy?
[04:40] <ogra> bddebian, just do the testcompiles... and add info to te bug...
[04:40] <ogra> infinito, yes, patience ... i'll try to get it synced... but cant promise anything....
[04:41] <bddebian> ogra: But how do I know if someone is already working on it?
[04:41] <ogra> hmm, dunno...
[04:41] <Nafallo> ogra: should we announce here stuff that builds? :-)
[04:41] <infinito> ogra, ok, thank you
[04:41] <ogra> Nafallo, hmm, sounds good...
[04:42] <bddebian> ogra: :-)
[04:42] <ogra> Nafallo, i think first we should compare versions, i guess a lot of packages already have newer versions through other transitions...i doubt everybody checked the merge bugs before uploaing something
[04:44] <Nafallo> ogra: we should notice with apt-get source I guess? :-)
[04:44] <ogra> yep
[04:45] <Nafallo> libapache-mod-musicindex is a rebuild :-)
[04:45] <ogra> yeah
[04:45] <siretart> ogra: I already synced up ion3 after having a small chat with nobse ;)
[04:45] <ogra> siretart, did you check this ? http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/ion3/
[04:46] <siretart> this was a few weeks ago, not sure if up already made upload since then
[04:46] <ogra> MOM tried to merge it 3 days ago
[04:46] <Nafallo> hmm, mark PENDINGUPLOAD or not? :-)
[04:47] <siretart> ogra: ok, this definitly need additional syncing. right. From the first glance, MOM merge seems to be fine
[04:47] <ogra> Nafallo, nothing in the dropped patch ?
[04:47] <ogra> look at the stuff that got dropped first....
[04:47] <siretart> modulo manual check of X build dependencies, which are problematic atm anyway :/
[04:48] <siretart> ogra: the dropped patch for ion3 is only the build depends line, see above
[04:48] <ogra> yep
[04:48] <ogra> looking at it
[04:48] <ogra> libxinerama-dev
[04:49] <Nafallo> ogra: libflac-dev (>= 1.1.1-3) instead of libflac-dev
[04:49] <Nafallo> as b-d
[04:49] <ogra> hmm, i think we'll need a wikipage to keep track...sad
[04:53] <Nafallo> ogra: hmm, we could drop ubuntu1 on libapache-mod-musicindex btw
[04:53] <Nafallo> ogra: that should be a goal to I guess?
[04:53] <ogra> Nafallo, yes
[04:54] <Nafallo> ogra: then it's drop ubuntu :-)
[04:55] <ogra> is the debian version newer ?
[04:56] <\sh> ok...going home and try to merge whatever i can ,-)
[04:56] <Nafallo> ogra: yes
[04:56] <ogra> Nafallo, drop the ubuntu version then :)
[04:57] <ogra> probably a category on the wikipage would make sense, i suspect there are more
[04:58] <Nafallo> ogra: something like that? :-)
[05:05] <Nafallo> ogra: what's broken btw?
[05:05] <ogra> not mergeable
[05:05] <Nafallo> ah, oki
[05:13] <bddebian> But the MOM process it a little b0rked, imo
[05:14] <Nafallo> bddebian: why?
[05:16] <bddebian> Just because the docs don't make sense.
[05:20] <Nafallo> does python have to be versioned?
[05:20] <Nafallo> i.e. http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/rss2email/
[05:21] <Lathiat> ya
[05:22] <whiprush> tseng: btw, muine + AS + ruffle has been rock solid for me now. So whatever you did, yay!
[05:23] <Nafallo> Lathiat: why is that?
[05:23] <Lathiat> Nafallo: because its the way it is
[05:24] <Nafallo> Lathiat: thats a no good explanation. python, python-dev should bring in 2.4 on breezy?
[05:24] <Lathiat> Nafallo: yep
[05:24] <Lathiat> read the diff from when dholbach changed it last time
[05:25] <Nafallo> Lathiat: yea. those changed could be dropped if I understand this correctly :-).
[05:25] <Nafallo> right?
[05:38] <chillywilly> I think ubuntu should really start using chkconfig because everyone else does, even gentoo
[05:51] <Lathiat> chillywilly: wtf is that
[05:52] <\sh> the same thing as update-rc.d but with a redhat interface
[05:52] <\sh> cli tool
[05:53] <Lathiat> uh
[05:53] <Lathiat> right
[05:54] <\sh> actually it's nice...for beginners
[05:54] <Lathiat> how is it different to update-rc.d
[05:54] <Lathiat> beginners have the new gui tool :)
[05:54] <\sh> chillywilly: gentoo is not using anymore rc-update?
[05:55] <\sh> Lathiat: the last time I used it was with redhat 7.3
[05:55] <\sh> after I left the company
[05:55] <Lathiat> you worked for redhat?
[05:55] <\sh> yes
[05:55] <Lathiat> interesting
[05:55] <Lathiat> what did you do?
[05:55] <ogra> gentoo is using tools ? i thought you have to hexcode the stuff in init ;)
[05:56] <\sh> Lathiat: web engineering and some web marketing
[05:56] <Lathiat> has anyone else noticed icon sizes playing up
[05:56] <Lathiat> like sometimes in file chooser i'll have 1 large icon
[05:56] <\sh> and in my sparetime packaging
[05:56] <Lathiat> and my recent documents menu, with video files, theyre all big icons
[05:56] <Lathiat> seems to be sorta random
[05:56] <Lathiat> maybe its just the GNOME theme
[05:57] <Lathiat> hm nope, in human too
[05:57] <Lathiat> py files trigger it in the file chooser
[05:59] <\sh> ogra: is it storming at your place? ,-)
[05:59] <ogra> not today...ysterday was bad
[05:59] <chillywilly> well, it looks like a nice tool
[05:59] <\sh> here it's storming like hell
[06:00] <\sh> chillywilly: I don't think Gentoo is using chkconfig
[06:00] <chillywilly> stormig here too
[06:01] <chillywilly> storming
[06:01] <chillywilly> if I package up 3dm2 non-free 3ware utility for RAID cards and/or tw_cli where would that package live?
[06:02] <siretart> chillywilly: most probably in multiverse
[06:05] <Nafallo> ogra: broken == patch in bugzilla? ;-)
[06:05] <ogra> if its fixable its not broken :)
[06:06] <ogra> hmm
[06:06] <Nafallo> ogra: so where do you want me debdiffs then? :-)
[06:06] <ogra> bugzilla is fine... but we'll need a new category i guess...
[06:06] <siretart> chillywilly: is 3dm2 freely distributable at all?
[06:06] <Nafallo> *sigh* I should be a motu ;-)
[06:07] <\sh> Nafallo: u will
[06:07] <ogra> Nafallo, wait until tuesday ;)
[06:07] <Nafallo> \sh: yea. everyone seems to be convinced about that :-P.
[06:07] <Nafallo> ogra: TB?
[06:07] <ogra> yep
[06:07] <siretart> wheeez, how time's passing by...
[06:08] <ogra> Nafallo, so relax... if we are convinced, you have no coice ;)
[06:08] <Nafallo> ogra: you're not saying that I should apply already, are you? :-)
[06:08] <ogra> i do...
[06:08] <ogra> Nafallo, you are able to do good packages, know about patching and i trust you to handle the MOTUness carefully...
[06:09] <ogra> so why should i say no :)
[06:09] <Nafallo> I can't program? I can apply patches, and understand roughly what they do, but I can't program :-/.
[06:09] <\sh> Nafallo: who can actually?
[06:09] <ogra> thats exactly what a MOTU does :)
[06:10] <ogra> apply patches ;)
[06:10] <Nafallo> hmmmm
[06:10] <Nafallo> I have to make a major retune of my brain :-P
[06:10] <ogra> and ask a programmer if you dont know further (thats what i mean with handle the MOTUness carefully...)
[06:10] <bddebian> w00t Nafallo :-)
[06:11] <Nafallo> yea, that's what I do when I can't figure stuff out myself :-)
[06:11] <ogra> Nafallo, you wouldnt believe how often i need help...
[06:11] <ogra> yay
[06:11] <Nafallo> yikes :-)
[06:11] <bddebian> +1 Nafallo :-)
[06:12] <ogra> Nafallo, btw, add the package to pending and put a note aside that there is a patch in bugzilla
[06:12] <\sh> argl
[06:12] <ogra> ?
[06:12] <Nafallo> ogra: oki :-)
[06:12] <\sh> what should I do with a package which is from december, at least now hitted debian
[06:12] <\sh> and the actual stable release is 1.0.8?
[06:12] <ogra> sync ?
[06:12] <\sh> no
[06:13] <\sh> 1.0.0 is debian
[06:13] <ogra> oh...
[06:13] <\sh> 1.0.8 is upstream,
[06:13] <ogra> a meger ?
[06:13] <\sh> and 1.0.0 doesn't build
[06:13] <ogra> merger ...
[06:13] <\sh> yepp
[06:13] <\sh> netapplet
[06:13] <ogra> close the bug...
[06:13] <\sh> don't do anything with it?
[06:13] <ogra> with a note that we have a newer version already
[06:13] <\sh> no
[06:13] <\sh> we don't
[06:14] <\sh> we have 0.99.4
[06:14] <\sh> debian 1.0.0
[06:14] <\sh> and upstream 1.0.8
[06:14] <bddebian> heh
[06:14] <ogra> ah... i thought we had 1.0.8
[06:14] <\sh> no
[06:14] <siretart> if you can check that 1.0.8 works, I'd say upgrade..
[06:14] <ogra> yep
[06:16] <\sh> lemme check
[06:17] <Nafallo> how to add debian pubkey for their archive? :-)
[06:18] <\sh> it must go to UVF commitee, right?
[06:23] <\sh> anybody have a clue what or where i can find ifreq?
[06:23] <\sh> it's a struct ,-)
[06:25] <tseng> ogra: you mean like uninstallable mono on amd64?
[06:25] <tseng> ogra: all of that should be fixed to the best of my knowledge
[06:25] <ogra> tseng, nope, these are merge bugs from the automerger
[06:25] <tseng> i see
[06:26] <tseng> i didnt know what list you were refering to at all
[06:26] <ogra> http://tinyurl.com/apx5k
[06:26] <tseng> can you mail me that
[06:26] <tseng> i need to work
[06:26] <\sh> tseng...u know where ifreq is w8ing for me? ,-)
[06:27] <tseng> ifreq?
[06:27] <\sh> should be a struct
[06:27] <tseng> no.
[06:29] <\sh> hmm.
[06:29] <\sh> in linux/if.h
[06:30] <Nafallo> hmm http://ftp-master.debian.org is out-of-date ;-)
[06:30] <\sh> but userspace shouldn't include to linux/*?
[06:30] <Nafallo> anyone know where I can find debians public key for their archive?
[06:30] <\sh> net/if.h
[06:41] <\sh> what was the famous paste web service?
[06:41] <siretart> Nafallo: package 'debian-keyring'
[06:41] <siretart> \sh: paste.debian.net
[06:43] <Nafallo> siretart: I found the key. Now I have to figure out how to get it into trusted.gpg ;-)
[06:43] <siretart> Nafallo: use apt-key(1)
[06:43] <Nafallo> siretart: ahh, thanx :-)
[06:43] <\sh> can someone have a look on http://paste.debian.net/1262
[06:44] <\sh> i have the same bug with 1.0.0 and 1.0.8 of netapplet
[06:45] <comadreja> I've seen it
[06:45] <comadreja> You've gotta search for the ifr header
[06:45] <comadreja> and include it in the failing file
[06:45] <\sh> struct ifreq is in net/if.h
[06:46] <\sh> and it's included
[06:46] <comadreja> ifr
[06:46] <\sh> ifr ist the var
[06:46] <\sh> struct ifreq ifr;
[06:46] <comadreja> did you do an update ?
[06:46] <\sh> update of what?
[06:46] <comadreja> of `builder
[06:46] <\sh> yeah
[06:46] <comadreja> pbuilder
[06:47] <comadreja> I had similar failures with other code
[06:47] <comadreja> chaning the order of the header fixed them
[06:47] <comadreja> changing
[06:47] <\sh> hu?
[06:47] <comadreja> Yes, I don't understand it
[06:48] <\sh> moment i give u the include list ,)
[06:48] <\sh> http://paste.debian.net/1263
[06:49] <comadreja> try putting net/if.h, the last one
[06:52] <\sh> argl...
[06:53] <comadreja> nopes ?
[06:53] <\sh> i don't have bracket
[06:53] <\sh> s
[06:53] <\sh> altgr is not working *grmpf*
[06:53] <comadreja> oh, yes, I had to use xmodmap
[06:54] <\sh> send me the Xmodmap ,-)
[06:54] <comadreja> it's a spanish keyboard
[06:55] <\sh> grmpf
[06:55] <\sh> hehe
[06:55] <comadreja> use xkeycaps
[06:55] <comadreja> that'll make it
[06:55] <\sh> right
[06:56] <\sh> haha
[06:57] <\sh> xbase-clients *lol*
[06:57] <comadreja> :)
[06:57] <\sh> copying from -36
[07:08] <\sh> trying
[07:11] <\sh> comadreja: nope
[07:12] <Nafallo> reminder: do not mark all mail in a folder and press forward in evolution!
[07:13] <jamessan|work> ouch
[07:13] <Nafallo> from taskbar: evolution-2.4 (78)
[07:14] <comadreja> hmmm
[07:14] <\sh> i found something
[07:14] <\sh> moment
[07:14] <\sh> http://openvpn.net/archive/openvpn-devel/2004-05/msg00002.html
[07:15] <comadreja> that's cool :)
[07:16] <\sh> but -D_GNU_SOURCE should help?
[07:16] <\sh> i don't believe it
[07:16] <\sh> lol it helped
[07:16] <\sh> but now i have other problems ,-)
[07:16] <\sh> for 1.0.8 let check 1.0.0
[07:18] <comadreja> don't get it
[07:18] <\sh> debian netapplet 1.0.0 is not compilable
[07:19] <\sh> because of this "struct ifreq" issue
[07:19] <\sh> CFLAGS=-D_GNU_SOURCE
[07:19] <\sh> and it works
[07:19] <\sh> it finds struct ifreq in net/if.h
[07:20] <\sh> now I tried 1.0.8 lates upstream source of netapplet...and it has other errors.
[07:20] <\sh> so I will merge 1.0.0 ,-)
[07:20] <comadreja> :)
[07:22] <ogra> yay
[07:24] <bddebian> \sh: Cheater ;-)
[07:24] <\sh> but even this means i have to patch
[07:24] <\sh> cause 1.0.0 from debian declares _GNU_SOURCE in netline.c
[07:24] <\sh> argl
[07:24] <\sh> so I can't declare it globally
[07:25] <\sh> I will make my day
[07:26] <\sh> patch applied...lets see
[07:28] <\sh> ok..ifreq found..
[07:29] <\sh> but size_changed_cb redefined
[07:29] <\sh> *ughh*
[07:32] <\sh> i don't get it
[07:33] <\sh> hmm
[07:33] <\sh> static void size_changed_cb(void)... actually i'm not a gtk guy..but shouldn't that be a static void *?
[07:36] <\sh> no
[07:37] <\sh> it's correct
[07:39] <ogra> \sh, only merge it, no need to rewrite the whole thing ;)
[07:41] <\sh> ogra: harhar
[07:41] <\sh> fck source
[07:41] <\sh> gtk stuff
[07:41] <\sh> *puh*
[07:42] <\sh> argl
[07:42] <tseng> ez gtk boog
[07:42] <\sh> the hole .diff.gz is in da *censored*
[07:43] <\sh> ok
[07:43] <\sh> easy solution
[07:47] <comadreja> ogra, help
[07:47] <comadreja> I have no permisions to solve a bug on bugzilla :)
[07:47] <comadreja> that is kismet merge
[07:47] <ogra> comadreja, whats your login ?
[07:47] <comadreja> jorge@drqueue.org
[07:48] <ogra> comadreja, should work now
[07:49] <comadreja> thanks :)
[07:49] <Nafallo> ogra: what do base the debdiffs against? :-)
[07:49] <Nafallo> ogra: debian or ubuntu?
[07:49] <ogra> ubuntu ?
[07:50] <Nafallo> dooh :-P
[07:51] <\sh> and this is sometimes wrong.(
[07:52] <Nafallo> ogra: *sigh* any workaround for when debdiff can't handle things for me? i.e. diffrent .orig.tar.gz
[07:52] <Nafallo> s/ren/eren/
[07:53] <ogra> manual intervention ? or leave it for someone else...
[07:55] <slomo> ogra: and any workarounds for really really large debdiffs (the debian version includes new config.sub etc in the diff.gz)
[07:55] <slomo> ogra: and for http://pastebin.com/317180
[07:56] <ogra> slomo, err, wanst libsigc++ in the Cxx transition ?
[07:58] <slomo> ogra: it was but debian made some further changes we don't have atm... i've readded the cxx transition stuff which couldn't be applied automatically
[07:59] <ogra> but if our version worked for us i'm not sure if we want to make additional changes now...
[07:59] <ogra> probably a doko question
[08:00] <Nafallo> ogra: dooh. never mind my workaround thing...
[08:01] <slomo> ok... then i'll leave stuff which was through cxx transition until he answers ;)
[08:03] <\sh> i ive up
[08:03] <\sh> thom rewrote the whole thin
[08:03] <\sh> g
[08:03] <\sh> to a real applet
[08:07] <Amaranth> \sh: taking about network-manager?
[08:07] <Amaranth> if so, gtkwifi looks interesting
[08:07] <Amaranth> python
[08:08] <\sh> no network-applet
[08:08] <\sh> networkapplet
[08:11] <ogra> Amaranth, talking about ttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge
[08:11] <ogra> +h
[08:13] <Amaranth> after i finish smeg 0.8, that is
[08:13] <\sh> Amaranth: only until tomorrow we can do the merge
[08:13] <ogra> \sh, dont bite to deep into one single package....
[08:13] <ogra> just move on if yu cant solve it easily
[08:14] <ogra> i doubt we'll get the list ready completely...
[08:15] <Amaranth> universe uvf is tomorrow?
[08:16] <Amaranth> ok, smeg can wait, it should pass through uvf without issues :)
[08:16] <\sh> Amaranth: it is now
[08:17] <\sh> tomorrow we need to have some merges to do
[08:17] <bddebian> UVF?
[08:18] <Amaranth> upstream version freeze
[08:18] <bddebian> Ah, thx
[08:18] <ogra> Amaranth, Kamion told me today that tomorrow is the last day to get the missing merges in...
[08:18] <Amaranth> let me reboot into ubuntu and i'll try to help
[08:18] <bddebian> Doh and Wednesdays are "ice cream" nights for me with the Mrs. :-(
[08:19] <ogra> i hope i can convince him to extend it a bit for universe, but i wouldnt count on it
[08:20] <\sh> too many things during a short time
[08:22] <\sh> bddebian: this is distro work...
[08:22] <Amaranth> err
[08:22] <Amaranth> that list is empty
[08:22] <\sh> and 6 months for syncing merging transitions + testing is really hard work
[08:22] <Amaranth> oh, the tinyurl
[08:22] <ogra> Amaranth, http://tinyurl.com/apx5k
[08:23] <Amaranth> koffice?
[08:23] <Amaranth> i thought Riddell already got the latest koffice in kubuntu
[08:23] <ogra> Riddell, ^^^^^ ?
[08:23] <\sh> forget kde stuff
[08:24] <\sh> forget it...really
[08:24] <\sh> it won't compile
[08:24] <\sh> aeh build
[08:24] <ogra> \sh, yes, but Riddell should have closed the bug when he brought koffice in
[08:25] <ogra> its the prob with most of these bugs i guess.... many of them have been handles ina transition already etc
[08:26] <Amaranth> ok, can someone give me a quick run down of how to do this?
[08:27] <ogra> Amaranth, http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/README
[08:27] <ogra> its linked in all these bugs ;)
[08:28] <Amaranth> ok, i'll try psyco
[08:32] <Riddell> Amaranth: hmm?
[08:33] <ogra> Riddell, there are still a lot KDE related merge bugs open...
[08:33] <ogra> tomorrow is deadline for merging ...
[08:34] <ogra> Riddell, http://tinyurl.com/apx5k
[08:35] <slomo> what to do with packages which were automatically merged correctly by merge-o-matic?
[08:35] <ogra> they shouldt have a bugreport
[08:36] <ogra> if they have, just close irt
[08:36] <ogra> it
[08:36] <slomo> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10557
[08:36] <Riddell> ogra: ok
[08:36] <Riddell> thanks
[08:36] <ogra> slomo, nothing dropped there.... just cloes it
[08:37] <\sh> aehm
[08:37] <\sh> what he means is: the merges are not compiled automatically
[08:37] <ogra> the only interesting pieces are the dropped.patch files ....
[08:37] <ogra> err..
[08:37] <ogra> hmm
[08:37] <siretart> hi folks
[08:37] <\sh> so..u have to upload them after u checked the build etc.
[08:38] <\sh> and I have a headache
[08:38] <\sh> mysql-query-browser depends on libgtkhtml3.2
[08:38] <\sh> this is not in our repos
[08:38] <\sh> i tried with 3.6
[08:38] <\sh> damn
[08:38] <slomo> ogra: ok... but i've found another problem here ;) a dpatch can't be applied while building... well i'll fix it and upload a debdiff...
[08:38] <ogra> great ;)
[08:39] <\sh> slomo: apt-get install dpatch
[08:39] <\sh> and try to remove the patch ,-)
[08:39] <\sh> vi debian/patches/00list  and find it there
[08:39] <\sh> try to rebuild
[08:39] <ogra> ogra@honk:~ $ apt-cache search libgtkhtml3.2
[08:39] <ogra> libgtkhtml3.2-dev - HTML rendering/editing library - development files
[08:39] <ogra> libgtkhtml3.2-11 - HTML rendering/editing library - runtime files
[08:39] <\sh> the hard way ,-)
[08:39] <ogra> \sh, whats wrong ?
[08:39] <slomo> \sh: i know ;) i'm currently looking whether this patch is needed with the new version... it's a fix for a security problem...
[08:40] <\sh> ogra: it's not in the archive..in my pbuilder
[08:40] <\sh> even not in my cache
[08:40] <ogra> update ?
[08:40] <\sh> ogra: please
[08:40] <ogra> (or am i outdated ?)
[08:40] <bddebian> \sh: I know it is.  I was trying to help with MOTUToDo since I want to someday grace your presence as an MOTU ;-)
[08:41] <\sh> ok..I delete my pkgcache and srcpkgcache.bin
[08:41] <\sh> update again
[08:41] <\sh> i have 2-0 3.6-18 3.8-15 1.1-3 3.0-4
[08:42] <siretart> ogra: how to claim 'merges' bugs? I cannot assign them to me :(
[08:43] <ogra> siretart, your bugzilla login ?
[08:43] <siretart> ogra: yes
[08:43] <ogra> err
[08:44] <ogra> what is your bugzilla login ?
[08:44] <siretart> ah, siretart@tauware.de
[08:45] <ogra> siretart, should work again
[08:45] <\sh> listening to blade runners soundtrack...hope it helps
[08:46] <bddebian> heh
[08:46] <siretart> ogra: thanks, works fine now
[08:47] <\sh> but the best for today:
[08:47] <\sh> universe/sound/alsaplayer_0.99.76-6ubuntu1: Dep-Wait by buildd+terranova [optional:out-of-date]  Dependencies: alsa-headers
[08:47] <\sh> i checked again and again..and no alsa-headers in the control
[08:47] <slomo> \sh: alsa-headers isn't needed anymore
[08:47] <\sh> yes i know
[08:48] <slomo> \sh: i've fixed that already in UniverseUnmetDeps ;)
[08:48] <bddebian> slomo: Are you already an MOTU?
[08:48] <\sh> but the buildds not..even there is no build-dep on alsa-headers
[08:49] <slomo> bddebian: no... why?
[08:50] <bddebian> slomo: Just curious, I was gonna say cool :-)
[08:50] <\sh> ogra: it won't work out
[08:51] <\sh> neither my system is borked nor my brain...so how should I get a fitting libgtkhtml3.2
[08:51] <bddebian> welcome back seth_k, you @#$T!!
[08:51] <slomo> bddebian: lol ok :) just wait a few weeks, maybe i'm by then :)
[08:51] <bddebian> seth_k: Sorry, j/k, couldn't resist
[08:51] <seth_k> you're gonna pay for it
[08:52] <seth_k> cos you're gonna show me how to upload to REVU :P
[08:52] <bddebian> dput
[08:52] <ogra> \sh, hmm, might be amd64 specific
[08:53] <ogra> \sh, tried with 3.0 or 3.6 ?
[08:53] <\sh> yes
[08:53] <\sh> pkgconfig is not my friend
[08:53] <bddebian> seth_k: Has siretart already added your key to the keyring on REVU?
[08:53] <siretart> Do I assume right that packages having all relevant ubuntu changes in the debian package should be listed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge (Drop *ubuntu*) and nowhere else?
[08:53] <seth_k> bddebian, yes
[08:53] <\sh> it wants to have gtkmm2.0 and 3.6 needs mm2.4
[08:54] <ogra> siretart, thats the idea
[08:54] <\sh> i will try 3.0 gtkhtml
[08:54] <siretart> ok. will do
[08:54] <bddebian> seth_k: And I assume that you read this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//REVU ? :-)
[08:54] <siretart> ogra: whats the bug status for this then? NEW or PENDINGUPLOAD?
[08:55] <ogra> siretart, if the package isnt in the archive, then set it pending, else close the bug...
[08:55] <seth_k> bddebian, yeah, but have never used dput before so that was kinda cryptic :D
[08:55] <bddebian> seth_k: Aye, me either.  I just got lucky ;-)
[08:56] <siretart> ogra: the package needs to be synced from debian. Ok, i'll set it to pending
[08:56] <seth_k> bddebian, impart your wisdom! ;)
[08:56] <ogra> siretart, you should sync it out of MOM then... it should contain all changes...
[08:56] <ogra> (manual upload )
[08:57] <siretart> ogra: ah, so we are allowed to upload manually to override mom. didn't know that
[08:57] <\sh> MoM means manual merge and upload..u have to test
[08:57] <\sh> just like i do and I'm stucked again
[08:58] <bddebian> seth_k: You have your dput.cf?
[08:58] <ogra> siretart, see if there is a dropped.patch, if so, merge the changes manually and upload... if there is none, the merge worked and you can upload as well... but some packages were already handled in Cxx transition or the like... so they need no upload at all
[08:58] <siretart> yes, I checked that the debian package works fine in pbuilder. Is it ok to upload the package as 2.9.1-1build1 with changelog entry 'override mom'?
[08:59] <ogra> for details: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/README
[08:59] <siretart> ogra: the merge is superflous, I want the debian version to be in ubuntu
[08:59] <siretart> and that mom forgets about all changes from us
[08:59] <ogra> then do as you said above
[08:59] <siretart> ok. will do
[09:00] <siretart> still better than overloading elmo
[09:01] <\sh> ogra: no...libgtkhtml3.0 doesn't help...3.1 or 3.2 but neither are in our archives (actually in mine)
[09:02] <\sh> hell
[09:02] <\sh> they r on archive.ubuntu.com
[09:02] <\sh> but why I don't get them for breezy?
[09:04] <\sh> in hoary i have them
[09:05] <seth_k> bddebian, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/317228 ?
[09:06] <comadreja> Ok, I fixed lirc, how do I generate the patch for the bug report ?
[09:08] <Amaranth> ok, the only thing mom didn't handle on it's own for psyco is 'tightening up Build-Depends'
[09:08] <seth_k> comadreja, I always take the last available Ubuntu deb, build a deb out of my new fixed package, and "debdiff olddeb.dsc newdeb.dsc"... dunno if there is a better way :)
[09:08] <Amaranth> oh, nevermind, it screwed up the depends too
[09:09] <ogra> guys, there is a motu meeting on the agenda today... anyone opposed to postpone it two weeks ? the agenda is empty and i think we all have enough work to do
[09:09] <comadreja> no problem for me
[09:10] <bddebian> seth_k: Give me a minute, sorry
[09:10] <siretart> ogra: I'm very ok with that!
[09:11] <comadreja> thanks seth_k , but... that would be a patch against last ubuntu, not debian
[09:11] <ogra> ok, if nobody speaks up with something urgent i'll adjust the date on the agenda
[09:11] <\sh> what?
[09:11] <\sh> fck..today is motu meeting?
[09:11] <\sh> damn
[09:12] <ogra> \sh, motu meeting is in two weks ;)
[09:12] <ogra> weeks
[09:12] <seth_k> oh comadreja, if you are patching against debian... debdiff against that package's .dsc file? all you need to debdiff is two dsc files and their debs
[09:12] <\sh> 20 July, 2200 UTC
[09:13] <ogra> \sh, look now ;)
[09:15] <\sh> yeah..I just heard your words and I knew then ,-)
[09:21] <bddebian> seth_k: That looks correct.  What happens when you dput -P revu *_source.changes  ?
[09:22] <seth_k> dunno, haven't tried it yet
[09:22] <seth_k> so that will upload it to revu?
[09:22] <siretart> seth_k: if your /etc/dput.cf is correct, yes
[09:22] <seth_k> right, thanks bddebian, siretart
[09:23] <bddebian> Glad to be of SOME use :-)
[09:23] <seth_k> :D
[09:23] <seth_k> you are lots of use
[09:23] <seth_k> I will try this package once KDE stuff starts building again :(
[09:23] <\sh> i'm blind
[09:27] <\sh> got it now *grmpf*
[09:28] <\sh> dance naked on the table ,-)
[09:29] <\sh> make my day ,-)
[09:29] <ogra> hmmm
[09:29] <ogra> \sh, are you sure thats a good idea ?
[09:29] <\sh> --with-gtkhtml=libgtkhtml-3.6
[09:29] <\sh> actually I would laugh ,-)
[09:30] <\sh> ok..if this works out...I'll upload
[09:32] <\sh> done
[09:33] <\sh> no upload
[09:33] <\sh> +w
[09:34] <siretart> only for the case I'm doing something terribly stupid, I'm doing uploads like this: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/2005-July/008083.html
[09:34] <siretart> I've never seen uploads like that, so do I break something with that? I confirm that the former ubuntu changes are no longer relevant
[09:35] <ogra> looks ok to me
[09:35] <bddebian> heh
[09:35] <\sh> siretart: if the source is not already in the archive...sourceuploads will do it
[09:35] <\sh> hahahha
[09:35] <siretart> ok. then I'll proceed with other packages like this and go back to my work..
[09:36] <\sh> siretart: if it's only a debian bumb, check
[09:36] <\sh> from mysql-query-browser 1.1.4 to 1.1.12 i do a source upload
[09:36] <siretart> \sh: yes, I checked the uploaded package in my pbuilder
[09:36] <\sh> siretart: no..check sources in the archive
[09:37] <\sh> if the merge is from 1.1.4-2ubuntu1 to 1.1.4-6 then it's no sourceupload
[09:37] <siretart> ah. sure
[09:37] <\sh> if you have a merge from 1.1.4-2ubuntu1 to 1.1.7-3 then it's source upload
[09:37] <siretart> my packages were always new upstream's
[09:37] <siretart> up to now
[09:39] <slomo> waah... i hate this... package doesn't compile because it doesn't know what "uint" is... i write a small test program, compiles when stdlib.h is included... included stdlib.h in the problemfile in the package: same error as before...
[09:46] <comadreja> how can I check if my key is now in the strong set, btw ? it has been signed
[09:48] <bddebian> slomo: Is that a gcc-4.x thing?
[09:49] <slomo> bddebian: no... seems to be something else
[09:51] <slomo> anybody here who knows what XOPEN_SOURCE means (as in -D_XOPEN_SOURCE)? can I just #undef it to let the package compile?
[09:52] <siretart> slomo: no. rather fix CFLAGS
[09:53] <siretart> do not #undef in the source
[09:53] <slomo> even if -D_XOPEN_SOURCE is included by pkg-config in CFLAGS for gtkspell and gtk itself? ;)
[09:54] <slomo> or just s/uint/unsigned int/g? that works and uint is just a typedef on unsigned int
[09:54] <siretart> it deklares what version of that standard the source conforms
[09:54] <siretart> declares, even
[09:55] <siretart> the later seems more sane to me, that #undef have more consequences than you think
[09:55] <siretart> but consider collecting also other opinions
[09:56] <slomo> ok... somebody else having an opinion on this? :)
[09:58] <\sh> is typedef uint unsigned int defined somewhere?
[09:58] <\sh> in the source?
[09:58] <slomo> \sh: no... it's in sys/types.h
[09:58] <\sh> define it in the source
[09:59] <\sh> or check sys/types.h what to define to include this typedef
[09:59] <\sh> gcc is strict
[09:59] <slomo> \sh: i've already looked at what needs to be defined... but wasn't very successfull with that ;) __USE_MISC must be defined but only defining that doesn't work
[10:00] <slomo> so i'll go with the typedef... this works :)
[10:00] <\sh> and again..i have gdal on my shoulder
[10:01] <slomo> gdal?
[10:02] <Amaranth> slomo: It's an X thing that's carrying over.
[10:02] <siretart> wow. I love packages with bigger diff.gz than its orig.gz
[10:03] <slomo> siretart: and i love packages with a 1.5 mb debdiff ;)
[10:05] <siretart> slomo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/multisync/ :/
[10:05] <siretart> 1.8M orig, 2.7M diff.gz
[10:07] <slomo> siretart: nice ;) you have luck that this isn't the dropped patch :)
[10:12] <ogra> guys, if you find a 1,5MB dropped patch, thats something to really leave alone... :)
[10:12] <\sh> jehehe
[10:12] <bddebian> hehe
[10:12] <slomo> hmm, can somebody look at python-gnome2? why are there some files left in the archive as this seems to be replaced by gnome-python? shall i add it to MorgueCandidates?
[10:12] <\sh> or it's something really worthit and get the stars for it ,->
[10:16] <\sh> siretart: we will the heroes of the night, dude ,-)
[10:16] <\sh> be
[10:18] <slomo> and the next one... :)
[10:20] <slomo> tseng: ping? what's with the stuff which is assigned to you on http://tinyurl.com/apx5k ? will you look at it?
[10:21] <tseng> not right now I wont
[10:21] <ogra> slomo, yes, he asked for the url earlier.... thanks for reminding me, i'll need to mail him :)
[10:21] <\sh> ok..gdal with gcc4 patch is working...source uploading
[10:21] <ogra> eh, hey tseng :)
[10:21] <tseng> most of them are probably invalid
[10:21] <tseng> if you wanted to help out you could verify ones that really need looked at
[10:22] <siretart> \sh: I'm just doing wdm here, then I'll continue with my other work..
[10:22] <\sh> tseng have fun
[10:22] <slomo> tseng: ok... wanted to suggest that ;) i'll write it into the bugreports...
[10:23] <tseng> slomo: thanks alot :)
[10:24] <slomo> wtf... 3.1 mb dropped patch for gtk-sharp2-unstable :D woah...
[10:24] <bddebian> Damn this "real job" getting in the way of my Ubuntuness.  Damn it to hell!!
[10:24] <bddebian> :-)  Sorry seth_k
[10:24] <\sh> if anybody needs uploads...give me the infos for: which bug, which package...if u patched the source to work...debdiff to sh at sourcecode.de with all the info...it's 20:24utc and I'm here until 22:00 UTC
[10:24] <siretart> \sh: slomo will love you for that offer ;)
[10:25] <bddebian> heh
[10:25] <\sh> slomo needs some publicness
[10:25] <ogra> pfft, its about time that he gets upload rights himself
[10:25] <\sh> slomo is your mail address whitelisted for breezy-changes by elmo?
[10:25] <siretart> full agreement
[10:25] <ogra> :)
[10:25] <slomo> \sh: yes
[10:25] <\sh> ogra: not my fault ;)
[10:25] <ogra> heh
[10:25] <seth_k> siretart, speaking of uploads, can that zSNES package go in yet?
[10:26] <ogra> \sh, its a scheduling problem....
[10:26] <slomo> \sh: just look at UniverseUnmetDeps and MOTUToMerge ;) the revu stuff can wait :)
[10:27] <\sh> slomo: realname? or put it in your whois data pls ;-) I'm not good in remembering names longer then 10 chars ,-)
[10:27] <slomo> \sh: sebastian drge (but written with oe in the wiki and launchpad ;) )
[10:29] <\sh> slomo: k
[10:30] <\sh> mail@slomosnail.de is also your normal mail address for your gpg key?
[10:30] <slomo> \sh: yes
[10:31] <\sh> k thx
[10:32] <ogra> slomo, hahaha
[10:32] <\sh> cause i will put the changelog to your name
[10:32] <seth_k> btw thanks for your help yesterday with torcs, \sh, everything worked great... I just didn't get back in time before you left. Although then I realized torcs got hit by MOTUGLUTransition and so wasn't buildable right now anyways
[10:33] <\sh> gtk-industrial-engine_0.2.46.0ubuntu1_source.changes:
[10:33] <\sh> done
[10:33] <\sh> uploaded
[10:33] <slomo> \sh: thanks :)
[10:33] <siretart> 221 merges left for universe ;)
[10:33] <\sh> i'm talking for uploads now only for merging ,-)
[10:33] <\sh> so hurry up guys ,-)
[10:34] <\sh> we want to get rid of the MoMs...
[10:34] <siretart> anyone want a tough one? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12021 has 143K -dropped.patch ;)
[10:35] <Amaranth> oh shit
[10:35] <siretart> but I need to do now other stuff. going to background mode..
[10:35] <Amaranth> although i think that's inflated
[10:35] <Amaranth> it's going from 0.6 to 0.7
[10:39] <\sh> did I say: riddell rocks?
[10:49] <\sh> Von: Sebastian Droege <mail@slomosnail.de>
[10:49] <\sh> An: 	breezy-changes@lists.ubuntu.com
[10:49] <\sh> Betreff: 	Accepted gtk-industrial-engine 0.2.46.0ubuntu1 (source)
[10:50] <\sh> slomo: there is your publicness *lol*
[10:50] <slomo> \sh: i got "gtk-industrial-engine_0.2.46.0ubuntu1_source.changes ACCEPTED" =) thanks :)
[10:51] <\sh> katie is a nice girl ,-)
[10:52] <slomo> and she's really fast ;)
[11:05] <\sh> ok..bugfixing tomorrow ,-)
[11:06] <slomo> at what time is the deadline tomorrow?
[11:07] <bddebian> Heh
[11:07] <bddebian> Tomorrow is still to midnight right? ;-)
[11:07] <ogra> slomo, i hope i can convince mdz and Kamion to exted it some more days
[11:08] <slomo> tseng: i've gone through all packages assigned to you except gtk-sharp2-unstable (which has a really large dropped diff ;) )... everything is fine or needs just some small changes
[11:09] <siretart> ogra: perhaps you can argue that Xorg dependencies are not ready yet. I'm still unsure how to put the GLU dependencies..
[11:09] <slomo> ogra: and at which time when you can't convince them? 24:00 at 2005-07-21?
[11:09] <ogra> siretart, good point, i will
[11:10] <ogra> slomo, 24:00 in the last TZ ;) (gives us some hours)
[11:11] <slomo> ogra: cool ;) another reason to stay awake the whole night tomorrow ;)
[11:11] <ogra> heh
[11:11] <sistpoty> hi folks
[11:11] <\sh> not for me...i have to go to bed at 22:00utc
[11:11] <ogra> \sh, resign !
[11:12] <\sh> 48minutes left
[11:12] <\sh> should be enough for some packages ,-)
[11:12] <ogra> \sh, then your ex cant grab your money ;)
[11:12] <\sh> ogra: do i get money for packaging?
[11:12] <ogra> hmm
[11:13] <ogra> at least fame... a lot of fame :)
[11:13] <slomo> hmm... any ideas on what to look next?! there's soo much i can't even decide...
[11:13] <\sh> haha...yeah...I buy a villa in southafrica with my fame :)
[11:13] <siretart> hi sistpoty!
[11:13] <sistpoty> hi siretart
[11:14] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[11:14] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[11:15] <\sh> guys
[11:15] <\sh> riddell just uploaded a new version of kdelibs to get rid of the build issues
[11:15] <\sh> if it's through the buildds please update all your pbuilder and get the kde stuff from MoM as well..and try
[11:15] <\sh> if not forget it
[11:16] <sistpoty> any news about X yet?
[11:16] <bddebian> Heh
[11:16] <sistpoty> if it's still broken?
[11:17] <siretart> sistpoty: xbase-clients is still missing, daniels hopes to be able to upload them tomorrow
[11:17] <\sh> hmmm...the epoch of gcc-4?
[11:17] <sistpoty> ah... cool.
[11:18] <\sh> gcc (>= 4:4.0.?)
[11:18] <sistpoty> i don't think so... more the epoch of splitting x into different packages
[11:18] <sistpoty> but it's just a guess
[11:19] <sistpoty> btw.: is anybody currently working on ghc6?
[11:19] <\sh> forget it...doesn't matter,-)
[11:19] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:21] <siretart> sistpoty: I uploaded cpphs, need to have a look at haskel-utils
[11:21] <bddebian> sistpoty: I was looking at haskell-utils but ghc6-bootstrap needs to be uploaded apparently
[11:21] <bddebian>  haskell-utils build-deps ghc6 but ghc6 deps haskell-utils ;-P
[11:21] <siretart> cpphs needed changed ordering of build dependencies, since sbuild could not cope with them (although pbuilder could, gnarf)
[11:22] <sistpoty> siretart, bddebian: on my pbuilder haskell-utils built just fine... (it has hugs as alternative)
[11:22] <sistpoty> whats sbuild?
[11:22] <\sh> sbuild is the build env on the buildd
[11:23] <\sh> sistpoty: sbuild will be the heart of elma
[11:23] <siretart> :)
[11:23] <\sh> siretart: is it? ,-)
[11:23] <siretart> sistpoty: doko said that alternatives in build-deps are a real pain for buildd admins
[11:23] <siretart> \sh: it is! :)
[11:23] <sistpoty> thx \sh :)
[11:24] <sistpoty> gnarf...
[11:25] <sistpoty> well i could try to make a haskell-utils w.o. alternatives...
[11:26] <siretart> sistpoty: I'm uploading haskell-utils right now
[11:27] <ajmitch> morning
[11:27] <sistpoty> siretart: ah, k :)
[11:27] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[11:27] <siretart> hi ajmitch
[11:28] <siretart> sistpoty: let's see if the build succeeds. perhaps it works and we can proceed with haskell-bootstrap
[11:28] <siretart> sistpoty: doko also said he was very happy with the -bootstrap solution, because it makes porting to new architectures way more easy
[11:29] <sistpoty> siretart: thx :) though i'm not entirely happy of how i fetch a package... but i didn't find any alternative to wget
[11:29] <bddebian> sistpoty: Do you have ghc6-bootstrap?
[11:29] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[11:29] <sistpoty> bddebian: I put it into revu
[11:30] <bddebian> Ahh, so you're cheating ;-)
[11:30] <sistpoty> bddebian: yes, very much!
[11:33] <sistpoty> bddebian: but there is no other way to build a package that build-depends on itself than fetching a working binary from somewhere (at least none that i know of)
[11:33] <chillywilly> can anyone look at my init script for 3md2 and tell me why issuing 'stop' does not work?
[11:33] <chillywilly> 3dm2
[11:33] <bddebian> sistpoty: I know, I ran in to that with fpc :)
[11:33] <bddebian> Heya chillywilly
[11:33] <sistpoty> hi chillywilly
[11:34] <sistpoty> chillywilly: i'll take a look, if you tell me where i can find it ;)
[11:34] <chillywilly> http://pastebin.com/317364
[11:35] <chillywilly> wonder if the pid file gets written
[11:36] <chillywilly> pid file doesn't get written
[11:36] <chillywilly> heh, can you tell I hacked smartmontools init script ;)
[11:36] <SloMo_> sistpoty: you can build ghc6 without ghc6 by a very obscure way written on their homepage... that is if i don't misunterstood it
[11:38] <sistpoty> SloMo_: oh, didn't know that... ok, if the simple way won't work, we have a failback-option ;)
[11:39] <chillywilly> http://pastebin.com/317368
[11:40] <chillywilly> http://pastebin.com/317369
[11:40] <chillywilly> wsas missing a few things
[11:44] <siretart> ogra: ion3 is now based on nobse's version, I just uploaded the merge
[11:44] <ogra> great :)
[11:44] <ogra> close te bug !! ;)
[11:44] <siretart> still wating for the green light from katie
[11:44] <siretart> in fact, it IS his package, with 2 builddeps added
[11:46] <siretart> bug closed
[11:46] <siretart> gn8 folks!
[11:46] <SloMo_> static void i2c_alarm(int sig) {
[11:46] <SloMo_>   if (loop) ((N1) ? N2 : N1) = N ; if (N2) loop = 0 ; }
[11:46] <SloMo_> who writes such ugly code?!
[11:46] <SloMo_> gn8 siretart :)
[11:47] <chillywilly> the pid file is never written to in that init script
[11:48] <\sh> last package with patching today
[11:48] <\sh> the rest is bugfixing for tomorrow
[11:48] <\sh> mysql-query-browser not build on amd64
[11:49] <chillywilly> I even 'touched' the file but it stil never writes anything to the pid file
[11:51] <\sh> print out $DM2PID
[11:52] <jamessan> SloMo_: omg, that's horrible
[11:53] <SloMo_> jamessan: that's not the only problem ;) invalid lvalue... hopefully there isn't more of this stuff ;)
[11:53] <sistpoty> chillywilly: can 3dm2 create a pid on it's own? otherwise try --make-pidfile
[11:54] <chillywilly> arg to start-stop-daemon?
[11:54] <sistpoty> yes
[11:55] <chillywilly> I thought start-stop-daemon was writing the pis out to the file
[11:55] <chillywilly> pid*
[11:55] <chillywilly> thwe way it is invoked there is not proper unless the daemon writes it itself?
[11:56] <\sh> ok.....that was it for today.
[11:56] <\sh> ogra: please try to increase the time for mom
[11:57] <ogra> \sh, i'll doo, and i'm sure mdz will agree
[11:58] <\sh> would be good until friday..so i can try to get friday off..and friday evening i will brain reset with george (it's his birthday party ,-))
[11:58] <ogra> oh
[11:58] <ogra> send my greetings
[11:58] <\sh> i will :)
[11:58] <sistpoty> hf
[11:58] <\sh> he is getting old, this damn romanian child ,-)
[11:59] <ogra> heh
[11:59] <SloMo_> \sh: brain reset sounds nice ;) but instead of increasing until friday... sunday would be better imho ;)
[12:00] <\sh> SloMo_: yeah...and it means really a brain reset with 2.9 promille ,-)
[12:00] <\sh> so all the bits and bytes are disappearing, and I can start from new *lol*
[12:01] <\sh> ok.guys..good night have fun :) cu early in the morning
[12:01] <sistpoty> gn8 \sh_away
[12:01] <SloMo_> gn8 \sh_away :)