[12:04] <m4_> frank_ wow, not authenticated
[12:04] <seth_k> m4_, yes, backports are not authenticated
[12:04] <m4_> what are backports?  I am trying to understand only 2nd playing with Linux
[12:05] <frank_> yeah you just have to close your eyes and jump!
[12:05] <frank_> backports are newer versions of porgrams that people port back to ubuntu
[12:05] <m4_> okay done, uprading
[12:05] <m4_> I need to go back to sources.list and remove those 2 lines?
[12:06] <ilba7r> m4 you can do it from synaptic
[12:06] <frank_> Well that is what  do. Just put a # in front of each
[12:06] <frank_> oh
[12:06] <m4_> wait I can disable the backports from Synaptic does that mean I could have enabled them fromt here to?  Instead of going to console and editing with nano?
[12:07] <ilba7r> ya
[12:07] <ilba7r> all roads lead to rome m4
[12:08] <m4_> ohh really
[12:08] <m4_> I was just following frank_ advise on how to do it
[12:08] <m4_> what is the memory requirements for Kubuntu?
[12:08] <ilba7r> some people prefer terminal shell as it is faster
[12:08] <m4_> cause now, Synaptic is clossing itself when trying to open
[12:09] <frank_> because of memory?
[12:09] <gigaclon> why won't JAVA work on firefox
[12:09] <m4_> it wont load back up now
[12:09] <jurujen> ok, thats weird...
[12:09] <jurujen> anyone good with find ?
[12:09] <gigaclon> i have done the steps on the wiki
[12:09] <m4_> I am running Notebook, 2.0ghz Celeron, 256ram, 10gb HDD, 32mb graphic card
[12:09] <m4_> shouldnt that be adequate?
[12:09] <jurujen> just had a makefile fail becuase there was a .cpp file in the current directory when this command was executed
[12:09] <jurujen> find src/ -name *.cpp
[12:09] <ilba7r> m4 that is just fine
[12:10] <jurujen> so src/ is a subdirectory, and when theres a .cpp file in ./ that command fails to return any results
[12:10] <jurujen> is that normal ?  feels very wrong...
[12:10] <molmol> I said apps closed like that (boom! nothing won't open) when I had a swap space problem and went out of memory...
[12:11] <frank_> !java
[12:11] <ubotu> rumour has it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[12:11] <molmol> 256M is a bit tight, expect some thrashing (swapping to disk) if you open too many at once.
[12:11] <frank_> gigaclon: did everything seem to work?
[12:11] <gigaclon> multiverse is added
[12:11] <m4_> DAMMIT
[12:11] <m4_> HDD says 29% used
[12:12] <m4_> maybe its Ubuntu or the lozey 256mb mem
[12:12] <ilba7r> m4_ try reboot
[12:12] <ilba7r> something crashed and its better to restart
[12:12] <frank_> gigaclon: try restart firefox
[12:13] <m4_> okay
[12:13] <m4_> restartng
[12:13] <gigaclon> yet except the part that should fail
[12:13] <frank_> I'm not sure, I didn't install java that way
[12:13] <molmol> ilba: we're using Linux! You don't need to reboot, ever! ;o)
[12:13] <frank_> ilba7r: yeah. I was gonna say
[12:14] <gigaclon> Konqueror is going crazy
[12:14] <frank_> ilba7r: logout login will "fix" almost anything a reboot will
[12:14] <jurujen> fark... 
[12:14] <jurujen> find is rooted
[12:14] <ilba7r> molmol i do not know why but sometimes even when i restart the x server the problem is still there that a reboot is my only solution
[12:14] <jurujen> find src/ -name *.cpp works in some directories but not others
[12:14] <frank_> konqueror crashes you mean?
[12:14] <jurujen> and depends on the contents of ./
[12:15] <ilba7r> frank pergaps i am still used to window
[12:15] <jurujen> sometimes you get this
[12:15] <ilba7r> frank ya some program crashes especially my wlan0 that a reboot is the only solution
[12:15] <jurujen> find: paths must precede expression
[12:15] <jurujen> Usage: find [path...]  [expression] 
[12:15] <jurujen> other times it works...
[12:15] <frank_> ilba7r: rebooting is definitely a Windows reflex :-)
[12:15] <molmol> ilba7r: probably configuration problems, not kernel-related, I'd guess. Kernel hasn't crashed on me since... years.
[12:16] <ilba7r> lol frank haha well put
[12:17] <ilba7r> molmol perhaps perhaps as some one advised me before lousy hardware
[12:17] <ilba7r> ok see you all guys take care ubuntu still my best distro
[12:17] <hussam> I need some help here. I can't get sound out of TvTime ( video works fine )
[12:17] <pax> while we pride ourselves with uptime, if your box is used as a desktop not running any servers, go nuts and reboot all you want if feel it fixes your problems
[12:18] <ArdieM> hi afer installing kubuntu and trying to boot it i get this error: Kernel panic - not syncing : VFS : Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0) ... what should i do?
[12:19] <frank_> ArdieM: I don't know. thats from a fresh install?
[12:19] <ArdieM> yes
[12:20] <pax> how did you partition?
[12:20] <ArdieM> i got a lil bit to many partitions
[12:20] <ArdieM> ^^ but nromally its funcs
[12:21] <ArdieM> /dev/hda8 = swap /de/hda9 = root /dev/hda10 = home /dev/hda14 = boot
[12:21] <pax> quite an order there
[12:21] <pax> what did you use to partition?
[12:22] <frank_> maybe grub is confused
[12:22] <pax> or fstab?
[12:23] <molmol> ArdieM: yes, grub, probably. If you installed then stuff should be on disk. Can you mount these partitions and look? Maybe using a live CD?
[12:23] <ArdieM> yes i can mount them
[12:24] <ArdieM> im taking a look at grub
[12:24] <molmol> pax: nah, didn't get to fstab yet, it's the kernel that can't mount the "root filesystem".
[12:24] <m4_> okay back in, now what is the best way to disable these backports?
[12:25] <molmol> m4_: I'd guess commenting them out (#) in sources.list, hmm?
[12:26] <m4_> just put a "#" in front of the line or delte the line entirely?
[12:26] <ArdieM> http://rafb.net/paste/results/UsLLQC45.html -- menu-lst
[12:26] <frank_> m4_: # in front so they are still there the next time you need them
[12:26] <ArdieM> m4_: just put a ' @ first character
[12:26] <ArdieM> #
[12:26] <ArdieM> ^^
[12:27] <m4_> umm does it matter what character?
[12:27] <ArdieM> #
[12:27] <m4_> just 1 or multiple?  # or ## or ### ?
[12:27] <frank_> m4_: one is enough
[12:28] <ArdieM> well i think ill redownload that iso and reinstall kubuntu ^^
[12:28] <ArdieM> hope it help
[12:28] <ArdieM> s
[12:29] <frank_> ArdieM: root=/dev/hda9
[12:29] <ArdieM> yes
[12:29] <ArdieM> thats right
[12:29] <frank_> um yeah.. thats right
[12:29] <frank_> ArdieM: It might just do the same thing again
[12:30] <pax> root (hd0,13) <-- why 13?
[12:30] <ArdieM> hmmm
[12:30] <frank_> 1 less than 14
[12:30] <ArdieM> (hd,13) = hda14
[12:30] <frank_> the grub way
[12:30] <ArdieM> (hd0,13)
[12:31] <ArdieM> ill install it again without using hda14
[12:31] <ArdieM> mybe itll help
[12:31] <m4_> now its giving me permission denied to write out changes in NANO
[12:31] <frank_> ArdieM: how does WinXP 64 work?
[12:31] <frank_> m4_: sudo nano /etc...
[12:32] <ArdieM> but that error appeared @ booting from the install cd 2 or 3 times
[12:32] <ArdieM> Winxp works fine
[12:33] <frank_> ArdieM: are there antivirus for WinXp 64?
[12:33] <m4_> that worked
[12:33] <m4_> whats sudo, just let me run a command that is root privilege?
[12:33] <m4_> how come my su - dont work
[12:33] <ArdieM> yes
[12:33] <ArdieM> su is to login as root
[12:33] <frank_> m4_: yeah. Its the basic way to use root in ubuntu. you sudo everything
[12:33] <m4_> I can't just go su -
[12:34] <m4_> ?
[12:34] <ArdieM> yeah i forgot
[12:34] <pax> m4_: yes you can, but need to enable the root account or just sudo -s -H
[12:34] <frank_> m4_: because the user root has no password in ubuntu
[12:34] <frank_> !sudo
[12:34] <ArdieM> sudo passwd
[12:34] <ubotu> it has been said that sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:34] <Ashen|Sleeping> m4_ use sudo after a little you'll get used to it and you wont want to go back.
[12:35] <m4_> ohh really
[12:35] <m4_> cause I tested out FC4 yesterday, and they had me doing su _
[12:35] <ArdieM> yeah. im always makin an alias s=sudo
[12:35] <Ashen|Sleeping> I personally cant stand fedora any more, simply because it doesn't natively let me use sudo
[12:35] <Ashen|Sleeping> :)
[12:35] <ArdieM> what is fedora?
[12:36] <Ashen|Sleeping> red hat
[12:36] <ArdieM> :)
[12:36] <ArdieM> it just looks good
[12:36] <pax> MS fedora
[12:36] <ArdieM> ^^
[12:36] <Ashen|Sleeping> ms?
[12:36] <ArdieM> slax is a cool live cd
[12:36] <ArdieM> microsoft
[12:36] <Ashen|Sleeping> why
[12:36] <Ashen|Sleeping> what?
[12:37] <Ashen|Sleeping> I dont understand why you would use ms and a linux distro in the same sentence
[12:37] <Ashen|Sleeping> in that way
[12:37] <ArdieM> it was ironic
[12:37] <Ashen|Sleeping> *shakes head*
[12:37] <Ashen|Sleeping> (just woke up... still seeing blurry)
[12:37] <Ashen|Sleeping> :p
[12:37] <ArdieM> because FC is ms style
[12:37] <ArdieM> its getting worser and worser
[12:38] <ArdieM> is worser right?
[12:38] <Ashen> what do you mean?
[12:38] <ArdieM> the opposite of better
[12:38] <Ashen> no-- worse
[12:38] <ArdieM> :)
[12:38] <ArdieM> thanx
[12:38] <Ashen> np :)
[12:38] <pax> well, debian + slack = Linux, everything else is pretty much Linux ala MS
[12:38] <frank_> James Doohan died yoday
[12:38] <Ashen> mmm... I suppose it is getting more bloated.
[12:38] <ArdieM> i can remember myself installing fc3
[12:38] <Ashen> thats why I like ubuntu
[12:39] <Ashen> still, I cant see this windows thing you're talking about
[12:39] <ArdieM> i wish i could be able to install a stage1 gentoo
[12:39] <ArdieM> i thinks its one of the best distros
[12:39] <Ashen> I dunno.
[12:39] <ArdieM> :) but im not pro enough... or im just a couch potatoe
[12:39] <Ashen> I dont really care enough
[12:39] <Ashen> aparently its really dodgy
[12:40] <ArdieM> puppy linux is nice too
[12:40] <ArdieM> VERY small and very fast and very functional
[12:40] <ArdieM> 60 mb
[12:40] <Ashen> puppy huh?
[12:40] <Ashen> hehe
[12:40] <Ashen> cute
[12:40] <ArdieM> :)
[12:40] <Ashen> never heard of it
[12:41] <Ashen> what wm does it use
[12:41] <Ashen> ??
[12:41] <ArdieM> you never take a look @ distrowatch?
[12:41] <Ashen> yah
[12:41] <ernest> well, i have installed today kubuntu and the way is not simple.... to be capable to read ntfs partitions i had to investigate an use the console.....not good
[12:41] <ArdieM> fwm95
[12:41] <Ashen> every now and then
[12:41] <Ashen> ah
[12:41] <ArdieM> ernest. than switch back to ms :) 
[12:41] <ArdieM> console ROX!!
[12:42] <Ashen> ernest.. there are one or two things that you might need to use console for in your every day life in linux... the nature of the beast (at the moment)
[12:42] <ernest> yes ArdieM, but i cannot NOW because after installing ubuntu an booting, now i cannot aceess to windows
[12:42] <ArdieM> Ashen: it copies most of te used files into the ram
[12:42] <ArdieM> of course you can
[12:42] <ernest> has corrupted part of my ntfs partition
[12:42] <Ashen> ernest: however, you'll notice that once you start using it, you start doing things in console instead of using the gui-- its just that much faster
[12:43] <ernest> now windows says UNAVAILABLE_BOT_DEVICE in a blue screen... not goood... i have entered in recovery console of xp , but chsdsk has not worked as usuarlly
[12:43] <supernix>  not me buddy
[12:43] <ernest> :(
[12:43] <ArdieM> what did you do?
[12:43] <supernix> I hate having to type all that junk to get things done
[12:43] <ArdieM> tryed to write on ntfs?
[12:44] <ernest> no, i have no write access, is mounted in read only
[12:44] <ArdieM> supermix: doesnt it makes you feel like neo? HAHAHAHAHHAA
[12:44] <ernest> but, i think that when ubuntu has installed grub, something has not gone well
[12:44] <Ashen> ah-- puppy uses icewm
[12:44] <ArdieM> oh
[12:44] <ArdieM> :)
[12:44] <Ashen> now THAT is Windows
[12:45] <Ashen> :p
[12:45] <ArdieM> yes it looks like win
[12:45] <ernest> yes ashen, but before intalling windows , it was working...
[12:45] <ArdieM> but is 100times faster than kde
[12:45] <ArdieM> ernest: did you install grub in mbr?
[12:45] <ernest> yes
[12:45] <Ashen> oh
[12:46] <ernest> well, ubuntu installed grub in mbr... and seems is working butttt windows cannot boot
[12:46] <Ashen> hold on... I noticed sometimes ubuntu setup puts a wrong value in grub... if... uh
[12:46] <Ashen> I cant remember the situation
[12:46] <ArdieM> search google
[12:46] <Ashen> is windows on a drive other than the master?
[12:46] <ernest> yes? what value? 
[12:46] <ernest> is hd0
[12:46] <ArdieM> windows wants to be always @ hda1?
[12:46] <ArdieM> or not?
[12:47] <Ashen> no, windows can be at any, its just that
[12:47] <ernest> sorry partition es hda1 sorry
[12:47] <Ashen> ubunu setup uh... set up grub to point to the wrong hdd once
[12:47] <frank_> is there a way to make Windows install not install its boot manager?
[12:47] <ArdieM> ok guys im reinstalling. see you later
[12:47] <ArdieM> Fra|way: dont think so
[12:47] <ernest> frank_, that is not possible
[12:47] <Ashen> frank... you mean the little menu
[12:47] <Ashen> ??
[12:47] <Ashen> I think I found a way actually
[12:47] <ernest> windows always install its boot manager
[12:48] <Ashen> oh
[12:48] <Ashen> you mean replace linux when you install over it?
[12:48] <Ashen> no
[12:48] <ernest> well yes jejeje
[12:48] <Ashen> you'd have to hax the setup up real nice... 
[12:48] <Ashen> or.
[12:48] <Ashen> maybe if you made the mbr read only for that session ^_^'
[12:48] <m4_> okay what is the coolest EYE Candy I can do for this kubuntu?
[12:49] <surfdue> i love u
[12:49] <surfdue> :P
[12:49] <Ashen> I know you do.
[12:49] <surfdue> AHH!
[12:49] <Ashen> coolest eye candy.
[12:49] <Ashen> :S
[12:49] <surfdue> Ashen,/
[12:49] <Ashen> *thinks*
[12:49] <surfdue> !!!
[12:49] <ubotu> ! is, like, what u add before a sentence to talk to me
[12:49] <surfdue> moon, wolfs
[12:49] <surfdue> IRC
[12:49] <surfdue> reptix
[12:49] <surfdue> viper!
[12:49] <surfdue> ahh
[12:49] <surfdue> lol
[12:50] <Ashen> now I'm confused
[12:50] <Ashen> you're crazy surfdue
[12:50] <nmorse> m4_, the coolest eye candy is E17
[12:50] <nmorse> Enlightenment DR17
[12:50] <m4_> e17 a superkaramba theme?
[12:50] <nmorse> Search the ubuntu forums for the Hoary install instructions
[12:50] <Ashen> you can install E17 over the top of KDE cant you?
[12:50] <supernix> actually Ashen I guage my OS by ease of use how easy is it to use and how fast can I get things done
[12:51] <supernix> Just like with aliases on the command line
[12:51] <supernix> Everyone makes aliases to help save steps with common tasks and to help automate things
[12:51] <Ashen> well yeh... thats #2 for me... 
[12:51] <Ashen> #1 is smoothness
[12:52] <Ashen> if an os chunks out on my system then its not worth the paper its printed on.
[12:52] <m4_> okay, I got a big problem.  I got to download Liquid Weather 7.0.SKZ and it automatically downoads and loads with KATE
[12:52] <Ashen> and it is printed.
[12:52] <m4_> then gives me a i cant save binary error
[12:52] <Ashen> okay... I'm gonna do uni stuffs no... l8r all.
[12:54] <m4_> Why is there a SKZ file association with KATE?  I check file associations for SKZ files and there is nothing .  But when I donwload it still automatically opens in KATE
[12:55] <Ashen|Away> kate is a text editor methinks
[12:55] <m4_> Yeah it is.  And Konquer is making me open it SKZ file with it.
[12:55] <Ashen|Away> I suppose its opening unknown files in a raw(ish) text editor-- thats a generally accepted thing to do
[12:56] <Ashen|Away> I dunno enough about KDE to help you much on this aread tho, so I'll leave it for someone else
[12:56] <Ashen|Away> (if there is no-one here try #kde)
[12:56] <Ashen|Away> I'm off
[12:56] <Ashen|Away> l8r
[12:56] <m4_> humm. interesting.  Cause I checked Konquer file type associations for SKZ file and there isnt one.'
[01:00] <m4_> wow, was lied to.  There is a SuperKaramba .371
[01:01] <m4_> och
[01:01] <m4_> I cant compile source code in kubuntu?
[01:02] <m4_> no gcc for kubunut?
[01:02] <seth_k> sudo aptitude install build-essential
[01:02] <seth_k> done.
[01:03] <m4_> seth_k say what now?
[01:03] <surfdue> hey
[01:03] <seth_k> run that command in a terminal, and it pulls in gcc and things
[01:03] <m4_> i ran ./configure and says I have no c compiler
[01:03] <seth_k> and you were not lied to: http://netdragon.sourceforge.net/sdownload.html
[01:03] <surfdue> i have a laptop with video out, does anyonme know how to make it play on my tv, its hooked up with the tv in the video in
[01:07] <m4_> seth_k okay ran that command, what now?
[01:08] <seth_k> now you have a c compiler and things
[01:08] <m4_> seth_k, no I run "./configure"
[01:09] <surfdue> anyone?
[01:09] <surfdue> please
[01:09] <m4_> ran, "./configure" and it says .... sudo aptitude install build-essential
[01:09] <m4_> opps
[01:09] <m4_> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[01:10] <seth_k> you need all sorts of build dependencies for superkaramba
[01:10] <seth_k> it's really not a good idea to go compiling it
[01:10] <seth_k> that is the whole point of apt
[01:10] <surfdue> seth
[01:10] <surfdue> do u knowe
[01:10] <surfdue> can u help?
[01:10] <surfdue> svideo output from laptop 2 pc
[01:10] <surfdue> how do i activate svideo output on kubuntu?
[01:10] <m4_> seth_k, I dont know.  I ran that command you said, sudo aptitue install build
[01:11] <m4_> just want to run this SuperKaramba .371 cuse I think my theme requires it.
[01:11] <frank_> m4_: what theme?
[01:11] <m4_> Liquid Weather
[01:11] <surfdue> plase?a
[01:11] <surfdue> anyone?
[01:12] <surfdue> how do i activate svideo out
[01:12] <frank_> m4_: I have that with 0.36
[01:12] <seth_k> m4_, and now you have a c compiler. However you do not have the development files. "sudo apt-get build-dep superkaramba" will install those.
[01:13] <seth_k> frank_, the new version does require .37 RC1
[01:13] <m4_> i knew it
[01:13] <m4_> damn
[01:13] <seth_k> m4_, this is very much against any good judgment, but i take no responsibility
[01:13] <frank_> I can send you the old version if you want
[01:13] <m4_> lol
[01:13] <seth_k> the old version is still on kde-look
[01:13] <seth_k> 6.2
[01:14] <m4_> got to have the new stuff
[01:14] <seth_k> the reason 7.0 requires .37 is because of the .skz thing they're doing now, and it's still buggy
[01:14] <m4_> need thtat nice EYE Candy
[01:14] <seth_k> hence .37 being only an RC
[01:15] <m4_> what does RC stand for?
[01:15] <frank_> release candidate
[01:15] <m4_> is that like a beta app or something?
[01:16] <frank_> something like that
[01:16] <m4_> frank_ what theme you use?
[01:16] <frank_> I just have liquid weather
[01:17] <m4_> somone was saying something abou E17.   Whats that.  Just wanna have the best EYE Candy around, know what I mean.
[01:17] <seth_k> then go use a Mac
[01:17] <seth_k> :P
[01:18] <seth_k> Linux has low bling right now
[01:18] <seth_k> !info enlightenment
[01:18] <ubotu> enlightenment: (The Enlightenment Window Manager), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.16.6-3ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 460 kB, Installed size: 1180 kB
[01:18] <seth_k> ^ e17
[01:18] <nmorse> e17 being the best eye-candy I have ever seen
[01:18] <nmorse> I'm in it right now
[01:18] <m4_> ohh damn, I need it then
[01:18] <nmorse> Try the Japan2005 theme
[01:19] <nmorse> or the Slate theme
[01:19] <m4_> how do I get it?
[01:19] <nmorse> BTW, anyone know what the compmgr for e17 is?
[01:19] <nmorse> I really want some natural transparency
[01:20] <seth_k> it doesn't use xcompmgr?
[01:20] <frank_> http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=1499&file1=1499-1.jpg&file2=1499-2.jpg&file3=1499-3.jpg&name=kde3+xp+style
[01:20] <frank_> so wrong...
[01:20] <seth_k> my eyes
[01:20] <seth_k> they bleed
[01:22] <surfdue> ANYONE?
[01:23] <surfdue> please!!
[01:23] <surfdue> how do i activate s-video out???
[01:23] <nmorse> God that XP theme on KDE looks God-awful!
[01:23] <nmorse> It looks awful on Windows too, so what did I expect?
[01:23] <m4_> yeah
[01:23] <m4_> sure does
[01:23] <surfdue> n=anyone
[01:24] <m4_> nmorse, where I get e17?
[01:24] <nmorse> Search the Forums on Ubuntu's site for Hoary E17
[01:24] <nmorse> You'll have to do some apt-pinning and add a new repo to /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:24] <frank_> surfdue: not sure
[01:25] <frank_> surfdue: search the forums
[01:26] <surfdue> err
[01:28] <tux> re
[01:29] <m4_> to install a compiled soure what is the command?
[01:29] <m4_> install ....
[01:30] <frank_> you mean after make?
[01:30] <m4_> yeah
[01:31] <frank_> its make install but  something I found recently to do this is called checkinstall that you can use instead of make install
[01:32] <frank_> what it does is that it creates a deb file which it then installs with dpkg
[01:32] <pax> read the readme and install to check if checkinstall is supported.
[01:32] <frank_> checkinstall doesn't automatically work?
[01:33] <pax> also, a good way to know where the files went in case you want to uninstall (if uninstall is not included) is to make a list for before and after install then run diff
[01:33] <frank_> pax how do you do that>
[01:34] <pax> something like this: find / | grep -v -e ^/proc/ -e ^/dev/ -e ^/tmp/ > preinstall-programName.list
[01:34] <pax> then run the same command to list into a postinstall-programName.list
[01:35] <frank_> pax that's pretty cool
[01:35] <frank_> what is -v -e in grep?
[01:35] <pax> then: diff preinstall-programName.list postinstall-progName.list > install-progName.list
[01:36] <pax> now you have a list of file and their locations in that final list :)
[01:36] <pax> -v <-- exclude this location | -e <-- specify the patern
[01:37] <frank_> ok thanks
[01:38] <pax> or ..
[01:39] <pax> when you get to make install run it with | tee frank-makeinstall
[01:40] <pax> which stores the installation output in the text file frank-makeinstall.
[01:40] <frank_> I see
[01:41] <frank_> I'm not that creative on the command line
[01:42] <pax> I'm not creative at all, just use what creative people find :)
[01:43] <frank_> hehe
[01:45] <pax> frank_: actually, I found this little handy method in a book I'm reading
[01:45] <frank_> what book?
[01:46] <pax> Linux Cookbook by Carla Schroder (oreilly)
[01:47] <frank_> the Cookbook. Yeah that one is good. 1st or 2nd edition?
[01:47] <pax> Nah not that one.
[01:47] <pax> This is from O'reilly.
[01:47] <frank_> oh not the same one?
[01:47] <frank_> ok
[01:48] <pax> Not worth the $30 but great read in bed
[01:48] <pax> Unless your wife expect you to do something other than reading in bed
[01:49] <frank_> not much to do in mine...
[01:51] <Zugwrack> Hey guys need some help quick..I just got a notification on my PC that someone from a external client had tried to access something on the box...I am on my mac..so I have command line...I know from the ip address that they are on a different subnet of roadrunner..what else can I do to try and find out more information?
[01:51] <pax> last -i
[01:51] <Zugwrack> pax..ok thanks...wait one..
[01:51] <pax> read the logs
[01:52] <Zugwrack> pax: /var/log/<which one specifically?>
[01:52] <pax> syslog and auth.log
[01:53] <Zugwrack> Thanks
[01:53] <pax> a good way to read the logs is to install loco
[01:53] <Zugwrack> Ok
[01:53] <pax> sudo apt-get install loco
[01:53] <pax> and tail -f /var/log/syslog | loco
[01:54] <Zugwrack> pax...wonder what a ping -f would do to that ip addy?
[01:55] <pax> why would you ping them?
[01:55] <Zugwrack> I believe if memory server correctly that the -f is a flood...
[01:55] <smux`> I'm very happy. kubuntu is very very nice
[01:55] <apokryphos> :)
[01:55] <Zugwrack> *serves*
[01:56] <pax> Zugwrack: what are you trying to do, make sure your box is safe or wage a  war?
[01:57] <Zugwrack> Uhhh...well the heck with it...they are snooping on my network now aren't they?...sucks now I have to reconfig my router since it has obviously been compromised..heh
[01:58] <pax> you dont know that, just assuming I guess.
[01:58] <Zugwrack> Tryed to access my ReplayTV as I copy some video off of it...hahahahah
[01:59] <Zugwrack> pax: Well I can assume since I have my router running NAT on a non-routable ip address that there shouldn't be anything telling me there was a rejected attempt by a remote/external client@<insert ip addy here>
[01:59] <ray_> anybody else have sound issues with enemy-territory
[02:00] <Zugwrack> Thanks for the help pax!
[02:00] <pax> np
[02:01] <frank_> ray_: I know how to fix it
[02:01] <frank_> wait a sec
[02:02] <ray_> frank_: how
[02:02] <frank_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5246&highlight=enemy+territory
[02:02] <frank_> its the Sound issue
[02:03] <frank_> This worked for me
[02:06] <ray_> frank_: yeah thats how i get it to work..... but when i reboot i have to do it again
[02:06] <ray_> frank_: any perminant solution
[02:06] <Mchonis_> hey again
[02:07] <frank_> ray_: do you know linux well?
[02:07] <ray_> frank_: fairly well
[02:08] <frank_> put a small script that runs the command in /etc/init.d/ then link to it from /etc/rcS.d/
[02:09] <ray_> ok
[02:09] <ray_> yeah that makes sense
[02:09] <ray_> thanks
[02:09] <frank_> np
[02:20] <ray_> anybody know how to change the login manager background image?
[02:23] <ray_> ?
[02:25] <penguinboy> hey hey hey geeks, nerds, and Linux gurus
[02:25] <pax> put the theme in /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes and edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc to show your theme's name
[02:25] <penguinboy> hey hey clayman
[02:26] <ray_> ok great thanks pax
[02:26] <pax> np
[02:43] <penguinboy> hey hey hey Sir Uniq!
[02:44] <nmorse> hey penguinboy
[02:45] <supernix> wassup
[02:45] <supernix> Uptime: 7 days, 4 hours and 54 minutes
[02:45] <supernix> WOO HOO
[02:46] <supernix> Random Fortune: Personally, I think my choice in the mostest-superlative-computer wars has to be the HP-48 series of calculators. They'll run almost anything. And if they can't, while I'll just plug a Linux box into the serial port and load up the HP-48 VT-100 emulator. 	-- Jeff Dege, jdege@winternet.com 
[02:47] <supernix> ok I still cant figure out what /google does
[02:47] <penguinboy> evening nmorse!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:52] <emerson> whats the default device for the floppy in kubuntu ?
[02:53] <seth_k>  /dev/fd0
[03:02] <emerson> next dumbass question, whats the package name for kernel headers ?  (im doing vmware shit)
[03:02] <emerson> kernel-package ?
[03:02] <nmorse> No
[03:02] <nmorse> Kernel-package is the software to make kernel debs
[03:02] <emerson> (would be loads easier if kynaptic gave descriptions...)
[03:03] <NamShub> Im having serious problems with network on (k)ubuntu
[03:03] <emerson> NamShub: thats what you get for worshipping enki..
[03:03] <NamShub> heh
[03:04] <NamShub> but seriously, after a few minutes, I lose my connection.
[03:05] <NamShub> it still reports as being up
[03:05] <NamShub> but I cannot bring it down/up after
[03:05] <emerson> NamShub: laptop ?
[03:05] <NamShub> no, desktop
[03:05] <NamShub> adm64
[03:05] <NamShub> I tried 2 ethernet cards and the builtin ethernet port -- all have the same problems
[03:06] <NamShub> it works fine with gentoo/debian/mandrake/suse
[03:06] <emerson> NamShub:  do you think its a dead driver or just packet loss ?
[03:07] <NamShub> I would give you the message error if I knew how to get it :S
[03:07] <emerson> NamShub: you could try using etherreal or something... but im out my depth
[03:07] <NamShub> nah, its the driver
[03:07] <NamShub> but whats weird is it happens with 3 different cards/drivers -- so thats unlikely
[03:07] <emerson> NamShub: are all your distros using the same kernel version ?
[03:08] <NamShub> Ive read that its because of cheap NICs, but I got some good realtek and d-link ones... and even weirder is it works fine with other distros
[03:08] <NamShub> hmm gentoo is 2.69, debian was 2.4.28 to 2.6.8 (removed from kubuntu), kubuntu is what, 2.6.10?
[03:09] <emerson> 2.6.10-5
[03:12] <NamShub> linux-source
[03:13] <emerson> joy :)
[03:14] <NamShub> I think linux-tree builds it automatically, though
[03:16] <emerson> ill go with the source, this script is just asking for the headers
[03:16] <seth_k> Breezy has 2.6.12 :)
[03:16] <NamShub> then arent there kernel-headers?
[03:19] <NamShub> how can I upgrade to breezy?
[03:20] <virgule> Anyone care to do a test for me? With  KWeather applet, Are you able to get a report from Canada -> Quebec -> Quebec City
[03:22] <NamShub> I can just chages all the hoary in my sources.list to breezy?
[03:24] <apokryphos> !breezy
[03:24] <apokryphos> gah, darn you ubotu. Gotta figure out why he /msg me sometimes
 rumour has it, breezy is will be the next version of Ubuntu (5.10). It will be released on october 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. If you want to know what the main differences are between Breezy and Hoary, see http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[03:29] <emerson> bitchin, theres no 'asm' directory under /usr/src/linux/include anymore...
[03:30] <emerson> i guess i just symlink it :|
[03:30] <seth_k> Breezy eats children right now
[03:31] <apokryphos> and shows no mercy
[03:32] <emerson> gag, ok... without rebuilding the kernel, how can i get a version.h made ?
[03:32] <NamShub> I dont care about children, I just want the net :P
[03:32] <apokryphos> NamShub: you don't have the net on hoary?
[03:32] <NamShub> no :(
[03:32] <NamShub> well, I do for about 5 minutes
[03:32] <emerson> i hear it comes on a floppy disk these days ?
[03:33] <apokryphos> Not connecting to the internet, or browser doesn't work?
[03:33] <emerson> :P
[03:33] <NamShub> apokryphos: eth0 just dies
[03:33] <apokryphos> NamShub: that's an #ubuntu issue -- more luck mentioning it in there
[03:33] <NamShub> ok ill try
[03:33] <NamShub> if I can remember how to get the actual log :S
[03:59] <BROKEN_LADDER>  i just moved into an apartment by myself, with no television.  can anyone recommend a cool streaming news/media "internet tv" station?
[04:09] <supernix> Hiya Kubunto buddies I have a question
[04:09] <supernix> I was wanting to know the best way to go about adding Gnome
[04:10] <supernix> I use Synaptic as my package manager just in case your wondering
[04:11] <epiloc> does anyone know what package would include the printer manager
[04:14] <apokryphos> supernix: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[04:14] <apokryphos> supernix: with synaptic, install the ubuntu-desktop package
[04:16] <supernix> installing that wont mess anything up will it ?
[04:16] <supernix> just worried it might mess some of the programs settings that are already installed
[04:17] <supernix> apokryphos: do you run both KDE and gnome ?
[04:17] <apokryphos> I run them both, but only really use KDE
[04:18] <supernix> does having Gnome installed cause more things to run at boot time or does it run different programs based on the particular windows manager?
[04:18] <apokryphos> supernix: it won't mess anything up, no
[04:18] <apokryphos> GNOME stuff will only run if you log into gnome
[04:18] <supernix> ty apokryphos that helps me feel better about things
[04:19] <supernix> kewl
[04:19] <supernix> Just curious why you choose to use KDE over Gnome I am sure I will find out why later but I was just curious
[04:20] <epiloc> ok, everytime i try to add a printer, the printer manager just freezes... i had a feeling it is due to a buggy driver i installed a few days ago (originally in rpm converted to deb with alien) so i uninstalled the drivers yet the printer manager still freezes upon opening
[04:20] <apokryphos> All the apps I use are KDE, generally; tight integration, powerful DE, and I like the way it handles things, basically.
[04:21] <supernix> ah
[04:21] <epiloc> I would like to uninstall the printer manager, (if possible) but i dont know what package it would fall under...
[04:21] <epiloc> any suggestions?
[04:21] <supernix> sounds much like a description of windows
[04:21] <supernix> the tight integration that is
[04:21] <supernix> I don't know what a DE is
[04:21] <supernix> ah wait development environment
[04:21] <apokryphos> supernix: err, what integration does it have exactly? It doesn't have many programs, that's why people are always using 3rd party ones :)
[04:21] <supernix> did I get it right ?
[04:22] <apokryphos> correct
[04:24] <supernix> wow man it said that it would use 424mb of extra hd space
[04:24] <supernix> not that I know the amount that KDE uses but wow that is a lot of space
[04:25] <apokryphos> if space is an issue ;-)
[04:25] <supernix> LOL not exactly
[04:26] <supernix> I have a 30 gig drive currently and another 20 gig drive that I can use soon as I find a ribbon cable that will fit the length
[04:26] <supernix> GOD I wish I had $99 for a new drive
[04:26] <apokryphos> HDs are dirt-cheap here these days. Less than 1 per gig
[04:27] <supernix> Ty apokryphos and everyone here that has helped me to make my way back into the Linux world as comfortable as possible
[04:27] <apokryphos> =)
[04:27] <supernix> I should be fine so long as I stay away from the pesky mp3 and mpg files LOL
[04:29] <Chris_Tucker> how would i get into root from command line? or better yet run that x config thinger from my user in command line?
[04:29] <Chris_Tucker> my monitor isnt syncing and i need to edit the config for the x server
[04:29] <supernix> what is a display manager ?
[04:30] <supernix> I see two choices one is kdm and gdm
[04:30] <Chris_Tucker> kubuntu.. kde kdm
[04:30] <apokryphos> Chris_Tucker: ....
[04:30] <apokryphos> !sudo
[04:30] <ubotu> well, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:31] <apokryphos> supernix: display manager is the login manager, basically.
[04:31] <apokryphos> supernix: why stay away from mp3/mpg files? :)
[04:31] <apokryphos> amaroK and Kaffeine are great
[04:31] <supernix> they use up so much space well not compared to other formats but man when you get cable you can't stop downloading everything
[04:31] <supernix> it is like a drug
[04:32] <Chris_Tucker> ok so i have to use sudo
[04:32] <supernix> soon you get hooked and can't stop
[04:32] <supernix> Ok so it does not really matter at all if I choose kdm or gdm actually then ?
[04:32] <Chris_Tucker> how do i edit my x config so as to disable the 1024x768 res?
[04:34] <supernix> I dind't know what to do so I picked kdm
[04:37] <apokryphos> supernix: kdm is the KDE display manager; I'd recommend using it
[04:37] <apokryphos> Chris_Tucker: open it up, you can probably guess from there. You could sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, too
[04:37] <supernix> kewl that is the one I chose as well ty apokryphos 
[04:37] <supernix> I sure will be glad when I learn all this stuff
[04:38] <lexhider> if I run kde HEAD compiled by me and have kde3.4 libs, etc installed from debs, will things get confused and not work or is this OK.
[04:38] <lexhider> I wanna install openoffice.org2-kde ;)
[04:39] <supernix> ok guys I have to try this out to see what happens wish me luck
[04:39] <supernix> hope I aint just messed something up royally
[04:39] <apokryphos> lexhider: they probably will. I tend to have a user with svn (unstable) and one with Kubu packs (stable)
[04:40] <lexhider> apokryphos: they will probably will behave or they will probably get messed up?
[04:40] <epiloc> anyone had problems with the kde printer manager before?
[04:41] <epiloc> mines giving me a terrible headache...
[04:41] <apokryphos> lexhider: erm, what kde HEAD exactly? The whole?
[04:42] <apokryphos> you can't have those both on one user, or you can, but in different locations of course
[04:42] <Chris_Tucker> ok ive done the command and edited, logged out, how do i restart teh x server?
[04:42] <apokryphos> Chris_Tucker: log out, then ctrl + alt + backspace
[04:43] <Chris_Tucker> that doesnt seem to be doing anything
[04:43] <lexhider> apokryphos: a fair chunk, kdelibs, base, amarok, kdepim. installed in /usr/local.
[04:43] <apokryphos> Chris_Tucker: ctrl + alt + backspace does nothing? It sure should be
[04:43] <Chris_Tucker> nadda
[04:44] <Chris_Tucker> ive logged back in and sent sudo reboot
[04:44] <ilba7r> when i run evince i get this error message opening pdf file "Bad bounding box in Type 3 glyph" and the fonts are really messed up anyone know how to rectify that
[04:45] <apokryphos> lexhider_: do you mean you're running trunk of those?
[04:46] <lexhider_> yes
[04:46] <apokryphos> Though, you'd probably be alright installing other KDE stuff on top of more advanced kde versions
[04:47] <apokryphos> trunk is unstable though, I wouldn't really recommend running only that. It's best to have both installations (svn and kubupacks) and either just have them in a different location, or for a different user
[04:47] <apokryphos> if they're in a different location you can login with that kde stuff just altering the prefix
[04:48] <apokryphos> I mainly use the kubupack user, and just have svn of apps like kopete, amarok and konversation
[04:49] <epiloc> anyone want to help me before i reinstall?
[04:49] <lexhider_> epiloc: where are you having problems?
[04:50] <epiloc> with kde's printer manager
[04:50] <epiloc> im concerned that i screwed something up bad
[04:50] <lexhider_> sorry, I don't own a printer
[04:50] <epiloc> damn
[04:51] <ilba7r> epiloc wait
[04:51] <epiloc> looks like a fun night of formating for me
[04:51] <ilba7r> what is your problem
[04:51] <ilba7r> kde printer manager sometime will not run in administrative mode
[04:51] <ilba7r> if that is your problem i think it might be a bug
[04:52] <ilba7r> i have it here reinstalled and it is still there
[04:52] <Chris_Tucker> OMG WOOT... i see the light
[04:52] <Chris_Tucker> ... of the login screen
[04:53] <epiloc> what does yours do?
[04:53] <Chris_Tucker> boots
[04:53] <Chris_Tucker> i havent logged in gui yet
[04:53] <Chris_Tucker> first time on kubuntu
[04:53] <Chris_Tucker> :) ive only used ubuntu normal livecd before
[04:53] <epiloc> ilba7r, i installed a lexmark z600, but to do so, i had to convert the original RPMs into DEBs with alien... so now when i open printer manager it says 'initializing manager' but never actually does so... just hangs
[04:53] <epiloc> I dont know if its because of the buggy drivers... so i uninstalled them
[04:54] <epiloc> and re-installed everything with the word 'cups' in it
[04:54] <epiloc> and still the same problem
[04:55] <ilba7r> i had similar problem with lexmark x75
[04:55] <ilba7r> but frankly i now run kubuntu and ubuntu and use gnome for print management
[04:55] <epiloc> how would i reinstall?
[04:55] <ilba7r> kubuntu just gave me too much troubles in this area and i think something is wrong with it
[04:56] <Chris_Tucker> holy shit
[04:56] <Chris_Tucker> i like this 
[04:56] <ricosuave17> how do i get the newest alsa
[04:56] <Chris_Tucker> the little loading thing by the curser jumps up and down
[04:56] <epiloc> i have been looking thu kynaptic for an hour now, and no packages look promising
[04:56] <Chris_Tucker> :D
[04:56] <ilba7r> epiloc do you have gnome running
[04:56] <epiloc> kde
[04:56] <ilba7r> sorry budy can not help you
[04:56] <ilba7r> but you should format as last resort
[04:56] <ilba7r> try the wiki pages
[04:57] <ricosuave17> how do i get the newest alsa plz help
[04:57] <epiloc> ilba7r, well i need my printer asap for school... so its looking more and more tempting
[04:57] <ilba7r> or try the forms search here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[04:57] <lexhider_> ricosuave17, what do you mean by latest alsa? are you running hoary or breezy?
[04:58] <ricosuave17> umm hoary
[04:58] <ricosuave17> is breezy avaliable yet??
[04:58] <ilba7r> if you need the printer its better to have dual boot then
[04:58] <lexhider_> ricosuave17, no
[04:58] <ilba7r> some printers do not just work proporly on linux
[04:58] <ricosuave17> nvm then can u plz tell me how to do i
[04:58] <ricosuave17> t
[04:58] <lexhider_> ricosuave17, not release quality yet.
[04:59] <ricosuave17> how do i get the newest alsa drivers version etc
[04:59] <epiloc> damn, there are 2 threads on the website with many people with the same problem
[04:59] <epiloc> all going unanswered
[05:00] <ricosuave17> what problem?
[05:00] <ilba7r> told you there is a problem with kde print manager
[05:00] <ricosuave17> ok plz how do i get the newest alsa
[05:00] <ricosuave17> drivers or whatever u call it
[05:00] <epiloc> well, my printer used to work
[05:00] <epiloc> but got screwed up after apt-get update
[05:01] <epiloc> so a module must have gone missing
[05:01] <ricosuave17> plz help me with alsa drivers plz
[05:01] <ricosuave17> help me plz
[05:02] <epiloc> ilba7r, is it possible to run kubuntu and kde, and just use the gnome-printer-mgt?
[05:02] <lexhider_> ricosuave17, a note on etiquette, the more you ask a question, the less likely that someone will help you, once is enough and then you have to have a little patience. I'm looking into your problem.
[05:02] <ricosuave17> ok thanks but plz tell u are helping me i get very desperate im sorry
[05:02] <ilba7r> epiloc i did not try that
[05:03] <lexhider_> ricosuave17, what version of alsa do you have?
[05:03] <epiloc> ilba7r, i wonder if gnome would freak out
[05:03] <ilba7r> frankly i started using ubuntu when kubuntu was still in development. So i had ubuntu and installed kubuntu on it
[05:03] <ilba7r> epiloc i never had problems with gnome
[05:04] <ilba7r> got to go now hope you solve your problem
[05:04] <ricosuave17> 1.0.6
[05:06] <lexhider_> ricosuave17, and when you say you want newest alsa drivers, what do want to be running?
[05:07] <ricosuave17> what do u mean runing?
[05:07] <lexhider_> ricosuave17, why do want the latest version and what version do you want?
[05:07] <ricosuave17> i want the newest stable so that i can use mutiple sounds
[05:08] <lexhider_> ricosuave17, and that isn't in the 1.0.6 release? I see that the latest stable is 1.0.9. Is that something that has been added in between 1.0.9 and 1.0.6?
[05:09] <ricosuave17> yes dude
[05:09] <lexhider_> ricosuave17, ok, now we are at least on the same page.
[05:09] <epiloc> damn, i love this distro, i may have to go with a different tho... gotta have a printer!
[05:10] <lexhider_> ricosuave17, how advanced of a user are you?
[05:10] <ricosuave17> i can work with compileing
[05:11] <ricosuave17> i can handle most thing with some guide
[05:12] <lexhider_> does anyone know if ubuntu has backports?
[05:13] <ricosuave17> yes i use them
[05:13] <ricosuave17> and it has backports
[05:14] <lexhider_> is there an alsa backport?
[05:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't get juk to play.
[05:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> and why does it say "tagger" if you can't use it to selectively tag?
[05:15] <ricosuave17> i dont know dude
[05:15] <Chris_Tucker> is sshd running by default?
[05:16] <frank_> lexhider_: I don't know but there is a newer alsa source in universe
[05:16] <lexhider_> frank: hoary's universe?
[05:17] <Chris_Tucker> where would i find a terminal?
[05:17] <Chris_Tucker> i know where to in gnome but i cant find it here in kde
[05:17] <lexhider_> kde's terminal is kalled "konsole"
[05:17] <frank_> lexhider_: yeah. you have to compile it though
[05:17] <DarkSpy> :|
[05:17] <Chris_Tucker> bleh i kne wthat
[05:17] <Chris_Tucker> i dont know why i didnt see it
[05:18] <lexhider_> I'm not sure what to recommend out of: update to breezy, try pinning alsa packages from breezy, try compiling?
[05:18] <Chris_Tucker> how would i tell if a sshd is installed? | How do i start it?
[05:18] <ricosuave17> hwo do i get to breezy?
[05:18] <lexhider_> there doesn't appear to be alsa backport packages from what I could see, perhaps you could request them.
[05:19] <frank_> lexhider_: I suggest to stay away from breezy
[05:19] <lexhider_> ricosuave17, breezy is STILL IN DEVELOPMENT and will break from time to time, I run it myself but you must know it isn't for end use yet.
[05:19] <ricosuave17> what unstable problems does it have
[05:20] <lexhider_> ricosuave17, I'm thinking maybe you should request the guys who run ubuntu backports for an alsa backport for hoary?
[05:20] <ricosuave17> i mean ill risk au breezy
[05:20] <calc> lexhider_: indeed its broken right now :)
[05:20] <Chris_Tucker> how would i tell if a sshd is installed? | How do i start it?
[05:21] <frank_> Chris_Tucker: ps aux | grep sshd
[05:21] <calc> Chris_Tucker: /etc/init.d/ssh start
[05:21] <lexhider_> ricosuave17, ???
[05:21] <ricosuave17> i mena i have no problem with unstable things
[05:22] <calc> it might not be called ssh anymore, the package seems to have been renamed at some point
[05:22] <lokito> hello to all
[05:22] <frank_> ricosuave17: unless you are quite the guru, STICK with brezzy
[05:22] <ricosuave17> k
[05:22] <lexhider_> ricosuave17, ok, but be warned, things get broken, you can't complain about it being buggy until release time.
[05:22] <lokito> need help installing gnome on kubuntu
[05:23] <Chris_Tucker> sshd no file or directory
[05:23] <lexhider_> lokito: install ubuntu-desktop will probably do it.
[05:23] <lokito> thats the thing
[05:23] <lokito> i like kde
[05:23] <TestMAD> whats wrong?
[05:23] <lokito> whats up testmad
[05:24] <TestMAD> not much..been takin a day away..watchin tv.
[05:24] <ricosuave17> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.6 (Sun Aug 15 07:17:53 2004 UTC).
[05:24] <ricosuave17> ricosuave17 Compiled on Jun 24 2005 for kernel 2.6.10-5-386.
[05:24] <lokito> thats good 
[05:24] <lokito> listen , can i be done
[05:24] <ricosuave17> i wnat it to be highter then .6
[05:24] <lexhider_> ricosuave17, I'm sure there is a wiki page for the upgrade to breezy. But it's normally as easy as changing all "hoary" to "breezy" in /etc/apt/sources.list and then running apt-get dist-upgrade.
[05:24] <lokito> installing gnome
[05:24] <lokito> on kubuntu
[05:24] <lexhider_> breezy has 1.0.9
[05:24] <lokito> and have the option at boot 
[05:24] <TestMAD> hmm.. i dunno
[05:24] <lokito> wich one to choose from
[05:25] <TestMAD> you can install ubuntu..when you do..it'll add the gnome install to your GRUB
[05:25] <ricosuave17> wait im confused
[05:25] <frank_> ricosuave17: I tried to do the upgrade to breezy and could never get X to start again. so be warned
[05:25] <lokito> the problem is
[05:25] <TestMAD> but then you would have to linux installs
[05:25] <lokito> i running kubuntu right now
[05:25] <calc> frank_: you can probably get it to work if you reconfigure xorg
[05:25] <lokito> running ftp , webmin , shoucast
[05:25] <frank_> TestMAD: grub does not change
[05:26] <TestMAD> really??..not even if its a second install?
[05:26] <lokito> i don`t wanna conf all those thing again
[05:26] <frank_> TestMAD: well if its a separate install yeah
[05:26] <lokito> Like i did with kde
[05:26] <lokito> i upgrade it
[05:26] <lokito> addind the new url
[05:26] <lokito> to the sources list
[05:26] <lokito> can i do that with gnome
[05:27] <TestMAD> lokito: your only option may be to install ubuntu..then kde..ive seen lots of posts in the forums about that..but not the other way around like you want
[05:27] <lokito> i see
[05:27] <TestMAD> and as far as switching..i dunno
[05:27] <seth_k> lokito, install "ubuntu-desktop" and that will pull in Gnome
[05:27] <frank_> lokito: installing ubuntu-desktop should work
[05:27] <TestMAD> it would have to be a boot script tho
[05:27] <seth_k> and you can switch between them, lokito, using gdm or kdm
[05:27] <lokito> frank you mean 
[05:28] <lokito> install it
[05:28] <lokito> on top of this one
[05:28] <frank_> yeah
[05:28] <lokito> not the linux it self
[05:28] <frank_> once its done, you can choose gnome or kde when you login
[05:28] <lokito> just ubuntu desktop
[05:28] <frank_> lokito: yes
[05:28] <lokito> ok so i have to download 
[05:28] <lokito> the osi
[05:28] <lokito> iso* for
[05:28] <frank_> no
[05:29] <supernix> Well hello again
[05:29] <frank_> open kynaptic or synaptic
[05:29] <lokito> frank if you can 
[05:29] <lokito> paste the command here
[05:29] <lokito> thanks 
[05:29] <frank_> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:29] <lokito> nice
[05:29] <lokito> that would get me
[05:29] <supernix> After comparing both KDE and Gnome I can see why everyone is using KDE
[05:29] <lokito> the last version of gnomre
[05:29] <ricosuave17> kde is horrible
[05:29] <lokito> gnome
[05:29] <lokito> right?
[05:29] <ricosuave17> i like gnome
[05:29] <supernix> KDE seems to be more powerful
[05:30] <lokito> supernix 
[05:30] <frank_> lokito: gnome 2.10 I think its the latest
[05:30] <lokito> yes
[05:30] <lokito> supernix  today i was looking around you know
[05:30] <lexhider_> ricosuave17, why hang out in #kubuntu if you don't run kde?
[05:30] <lokito> madison ave
[05:30] <lokito> 42st street
[05:30] <lokito> bom
[05:30] <lokito> apple store
[05:30] <lokito> nice
[05:30] <lokito> very bright colors
[05:30] <supernix> Looking around for what ?
[05:30] <Chris_Tucker> i used kynaptic to install ssh and openssh-server but in /etc/init.d there is still no sshd
[05:30] <lokito> then this guy come and tell me sit , use it 
[05:30] <lokito> G5 apple
[05:31] <ricosuave17> cause kubuntu dudes are better then ubuntu dudes
[05:31] <lokito> dam that thing was beatiful
[05:31] <Chris_Tucker> what do i do?
[05:31] <supernix> I just installed Gnome and have been using it for at least several minutes
[05:31] <supernix> I am not impressed with the file manager
[05:31] <lokito> supernix download the theme for tiger os
[05:31] <frank_> supernix: that was my biggest problem with gnome!
[05:31] <ricosuave17> tiger os??
[05:31] <ricosuave17> what is that
[05:32] <Chris_Tucker> newest mac os release
[05:32] <lokito> correcion
[05:32] <lokito> mac os
[05:32] <ricosuave17> i so want mac os
[05:32] <lokito> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=13548 
[05:32] <supernix> how will the tiger OS theme make a difference ?
[05:32] <lokito> no 
[05:32] <lokito> im just saying
[05:32] <lokito> the look
[05:32] <lokito> the close thing
[05:32] <lokito> to apple is that
[05:32] <ricosuave17> nice theme
[05:32] <ricosuave17> is it for gnome?
[05:32] <lokito> yes very nice
[05:32] <lokito> yes ricosueave17
[05:33] <ricosuave17> can u help me install it
[05:33] <ralph1> hi all
[05:33] <lokito> sure 
[05:33] <ralph1> seth_k: hi
[05:34] <ralph1> StarScream: hi
[05:34] <ricosuave17> lokito,  were do i start
[05:34] <Chris_Tucker> i need help installing and running an sshd
[05:35] <lokito> you need  GTK2
[05:35] <ricosuave17> how do i get this u speak off
[05:35] <calc> Chris_Tucker: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[05:35] <lokito> Chris have you ever use webmin?
[05:35] <Chris_Tucker> no
[05:35] <lokito> nice grafical interface to control all servers
[05:35] <Chris_Tucker> is it included ?
[05:35] <lokito> no you have to download it
[05:35] <calc> once you install openssh-server it will automatically run it
[05:36] <lokito> ricosuave17 
[05:36] <Chris_Tucker> this is spitting errors at me
[05:36] <ricosuave17> si lokito?
[05:36] <lokito> look for your ~/.themes 
[05:36] <lokito> put there 
[05:37] <lokito> the directory 
[05:37] <calc> Chris_Tucker: what does the error say?
[05:37] <ricosuave17> dude how do i get to this ~/.themes?
[05:38] <Chris_Tucker> says "setting up cupsys (1.1.23-lubuntu12) ... " then chmod spits no such file or directory for a bunch of stuff
[05:38] <lokito> me too
[05:38] <lokito> im just learning
[05:38] <ricosuave17> im downloading fucking konqueror
[05:38] <Chris_Tucker> then dpkg spits error processing cupsys
[05:38] <lokito> rico 
[05:38] <lokito> #kubuntu-es
[05:38] <Chris_Tucker> and so one
[05:38] <Chris_Tucker> *so on
[05:39] <calc> Chris_Tucker: that sounds bad, which version of ubuntu are you running?
[05:39] <Chris_Tucker> 5.04
[05:40] <Chris_Tucker> shit runs, just apt get is spitting that for both ssh and openssh-server
[05:40] <calc> does you system otherwise work properly?
[05:40] <Chris_Tucker> yes
[05:41] <calc> hmm not sure why it would be giving errors like that :(
[05:41] <seth_k> ricosuave17, watch the language please
[05:41] <seth_k> ah ralph1! I have kMyMoney2 0.7.4 for you :)
[05:41] <seth_k> ralph1, tested and working :)
[05:41] <seth_k> ralph1, http://sethkinast.com/ubuntu/hoary/backports/
[05:42] <ralph1> seth_k: thanks very much.
[05:42] <lokito> frank 
[05:43] <lokito> frank  and seth_k
[05:43] <lokito> thank youuuu
[05:43] <lokito> :)
[05:43] <lokito> what can i do for you guys 
[05:43] <lokito> you like movies
[05:43] <ralph1> seth_k: do you know why kaffiene would crash when trying to save a stream?
[05:44] <gigaclon> question I installed the JRE according to the wiki page, what do I have to do to make Firefox recognize
[05:44] <seth_k> ralph1, cos kaffeine is super crashy in KDE 3.4. I suggest trying to find an alternate player until KDE 3.5
[05:44] <lokito> mr and ms smith , madagascar , troy , blade 3 , constatine, robots , i robot
[05:44] <seth_k> lokito, no piracy talking please ;)
[05:45] <lokito> lol
[05:45] <lokito> original dvd copyrights :)
[05:45] <supernix> I am so mad I can't find my windows drive
[05:45] <lokito> supernix /mnt 
[05:45] <supernix> In KDE it was a easy as pie
[05:45] <gigaclon> supernix: fdisk -l
[05:46] <gigaclon> and /etc/fstab
[05:46] <supernix> why aint it listed on the desktop with an icon and all ?
[05:46] <ralph1> seth_k: ahh 
[05:47] <gigaclon> supernix: is it listed in /etc/fstab
[05:47] <gigaclon> question I installed the JRE according to the wiki page, what do I have to do to make Firefox recognize
[05:47] <gigaclon> ??
[05:47] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[05:47] <supernix> Yes it is listed as being mounted
[05:47] <Chris_Tucker> im forcing this thing to redownload cupsys and kubuntu-desktop
[05:48] <lokito> nice gnome is done
[05:48] <gigaclon> check where it is mounted too?
[05:48] <lokito> let me restart my session
[05:48] <lokito> thanks guy
[05:50] <supernix> uptime
[05:52] <TestMAD> do scripts and stuff work with konversation?
[05:52] <Chris_Tucker> im confused with this damn awkward error...
[05:54] <sproingie> konversation has a dcop scripting interface.  documentation is of course nearly nonexistent
[05:54] <Chris_Tucker> "dependancy problems prevent configuration of kubuntu-desktop: pkg kubuntu-dsktop requires cupsys, but thats not configured yet" and similar
[05:54] <Chris_Tucker> yet
[05:54] <Chris_Tucker> kubuntu-desktop is running!
[05:54] <TestMAD> well..i was just wanting to load a stat script..
[05:55] <supernix> "UPTIME"
[05:55] <pax> the guys at #konversation are friendly
[05:55] <TestMAD> k..thnx
[05:55] <seth_k> Chris_Tucker, sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:56] <Chris_Tucker> errornoums
[05:56] <Chris_Tucker> er however you spell that
[05:56] <Chris_Tucker> "setting up cupsys (ver) ... "
[05:57] <Chris_Tucker> "chmod: cannot access `ipp': no such file or directory"
[05:57] <ralph1> seth_k: downloaded and installed Kmymoney2 it works like a charm. Thanks a million
[05:57] <Chris_Tucker> all the way down to cannot access /usr/lib/cups/backend/ipp: no such fi...
[05:58] <Chris_Tucker> many things chmod is unable to access there and it produces further errors
[05:58] <seth_k> ralph1, glad to hear it! I'm glad we can keep you using Kubuntu ;)
[05:59] <pax> what's kmymoney2?
[05:59] <epiloc> ok, im switching over
[05:59] <epiloc> no more kubuntu
[05:59] <ralph1> seth_k: I like kubuntu very much, but it is taking some getting used too on my part, but that is good.
[05:59] <epiloc> time for some ubuntu
[06:00] <ralph1> pax: personal finance program like gnucash.
[06:00] <ralph1> pax
[06:00] <ralph1> pax: but better
[06:02] <pax> I dont trust lawyers and computers with my money. I use cash
[06:02] <ralph1> seth_k: do you know some one on the gnome side that could do the same thing for the Gramps program. Universe is terriable out of date.
[06:04] <Chris_Tucker> This is the feedback i get:
[06:04] <Chris_Tucker> http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?action=getpaste&pasteID=44702
[06:04] <ricosuave17> alright how do i get to my apt-get source list
[06:06] <seth_k> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:07] <Chris_Tucker> any hope for me?
[06:07] <Chris_Tucker> it spat the same error on the first boot
[06:14] <Chris_Tucker> i take it that im doomed
[06:16] <gigaclon> now firefox is not starting
[06:17] <gigaclon> INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Could not get the plugin manager
[06:17] <gigaclon> System error?:: No such file or directory
[06:17] <TestMAD> how do i go about masking my ip in konversation?
[06:18] <frank> what happened?
[06:18] <epiloc> Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: connection refused.
[06:19] <frank> epiloc: I don't know anything about cups, sorry
[06:20] <Chris_Tucker> aiyee
[06:21] <Chris_Tucker> im gonna do a reinstall
[06:21] <Chris_Tucker> and HOPE that it works
[06:21] <Chris_Tucker> cuase i REALLY like ubuntu
[06:25] <seth_k> ralph1, what versions of gramps are where?
[06:25] <seth_k> ralph1, I can backport that for you too
[06:26] <seth_k> ralph1, gramps 2.0.5 good for you? If so I'll do it right now
[06:27] <TestMAD> y cant i find the win32 codecs?
[06:27] <TestMAD> and the dvd codec?
[06:28] <TestMAD> tey arent listed in kynaptic
[06:28] <seth_k> TestMAD, they're in backports
[06:28] <jpowers> !repositories
[06:28] <ubotu> well, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:28] <crimsun> and debian-marillat
[06:28] <seth_k> in hoary-extras/restricted I believe
[06:30] <TestMAD> i think i already habve it in my sources.
[06:30] <TestMAD> i turned on abck ports a long time ago
[06:31] <seth_k> but probably not restricted, I'm guessing
[06:32] <ralph1> seth_k: universe is at version 1.08 and latest is 2.05 I believe. There are big differences in the program. They have moved from a xml data storage for mate to sql. I believe the latest is also in Debian testing. One of the developers keeps debian testing/experimental up to date.
[06:32] <TestMAD> whats full addy to restricted?
[06:32] <ralph1> seth_k: Yes gramps 2.0.5 is excellent
[06:33] <seth_k> ralph1, 3 minutes
[06:35] <supernix> Dear Lord please forgive me for I have sinned it has been about an hour since I strayed and rebooted to Gnome
[06:35] <supernix> :)
[06:35] <crimsun> in that case I'm frying, because I'm in XP
[06:36] <supernix> LOL
[06:36] <ralph1> seth_k: Thanks a million
[06:37] <supernix> it sure would be nice if they had Evolution for KDE
[06:38] <epiloc> Anyone having problem with CUPS
[06:38] <Chris_Tucker> i prefer the app in kubuntu (forgot the name already) or thunderbird
[06:38] <seth_k> ralph1, here is gramps from Breezy, 2.0.5: http://sethkinast.com/ubuntu/hoary/backports/
[06:38] <seth_k> cheers ralph1, I'm off to bed
[06:39] <supernix> Chris_Tucker, you must be talking about Kmail
[06:39] <supernix> Yes Thunderbird is nice to but it won't filter junk mail for some reason right now
[06:39] <Chris_Tucker> nah
[06:39] <Chris_Tucker> the thing that does everything 
[06:39] <ralph1> seth_k: Thanks
[06:39] <supernix> Ah are you talking about Kontact ?
[06:40] <Chris_Tucker> yea thats it
[06:40] <supernix> yeah that is kinda nice to
[06:40] <supernix> I did actualy get a kick out of the kontact manager you could even add pictures for the people as well
[06:41] <Chris_Tucker> bleh.. im getting hooked on linux.. staying up till 3 am messin with it when i have to work at 10 the next morning
[06:41] <supernix> My problem is finding a program or way to track all the contracts and customers for my dads business
[06:41] <Chris_Tucker> supernix: any intrest in programming? if so, write one
[06:41] <chx> how could I tell gam-server to stay clear of one file system?
[06:41] <Chris_Tucker> i could but it would be windows
[06:43] <Ashen> supernix: isn't that what databases are for.
[06:43] <supernix> I wish I knoew how to program then I surely would
[06:43] <supernix> Yes Ashen they are but I can't figure out how to plug one into OpenOffice exactly
[06:43] <Chris_Tucker> i know how to prog but its in VB .. windows only
[06:44] <Ashen> I know how to prog but nothing.
[06:44] <Ashen> haha
[06:44] <Ashen> why do you need it to plug into OO?
[06:44] <Chris_Tucker> getting pretty good at vb myself, currently working solo on an alarm clock , and with a partner on an uno p2p game
[06:45] <supernix> OO is the only thing that I can see that is a good replacement for MS office
[06:46] <Ashen> it is.
[06:46] <Ashen> its nice
[06:46] <Ashen> :)
[06:46] <Ashen> but why do you need to plug into it?
[06:46] <Ashen> :S what sort of business is it?
[06:46] <Chris_Tucker> crossoveroffice is good too isnt it?
[06:46] <supernix> I tried Abiword but it can't quite handle some of the features that MS office has the layouts didn't look right when I opened up some MS offcie 2003 files
[06:47] <supernix> I was thinking about how nice it would be that after I wrote a contract that it would store the info into a database
[06:47] <supernix> Then If I had a form that I could retrieve the data later if needed that would be great
[06:47] <Ashen> What sort of buisness is it/ What sort of info is stored in the contracts?
[06:48] <Ashen> and How is the information structured
[06:48] <supernix> My father runs a heating and air conditioning business
[06:48] <Ashen> ?
[06:48] <supernix> www.bestunits.com
[06:48] <Ashen> hrmmm.
[06:49] <supernix> the first page is the page that has our contact info and hten the customers and this is the agravating part we have a contract number for each contract
[06:49] <supernix> I have been just using the date which is frustrating if you write two contracts in a day
[06:49] <Ashen> mmm
[06:50] <supernix> I thought it would be nice to have something that would auto track the contracts and generate a auto increment number like a database would do
[06:50] <Ashen> hah... Xoops
[06:50] <supernix> :D yup Xoops there it is
[06:50] <Ashen> well...
[06:50] <Ashen> and you want to do it offline?
[06:50] <supernix> yes
[06:51] <Chris_Tucker> "testing network repository" takes TOO LONG on dialup
[06:51] <Chris_Tucker> wait no
[06:51] <Chris_Tucker> let me rephrase that
[06:52] <Chris_Tucker> EVERYTHING takes too long on dialup
[06:52] <Chris_Tucker> i hate my isp
[06:52] <Ashen> haha
[06:52] <supernix> I tried a network connected database once with all our customers information and it messed up once the connection to the net was gone for a day and really caused us much hastles
[06:52] <Chris_Tucker> no highspeed 
[06:52] <Ashen> mmm
[06:52] <sproingie> bah, why doesn't konqueror or mozilla support my perfectly valid html?
[06:52] <sproingie> <title/ANS Compliance of Retroforth/
[06:52] <sproingie> good ol short tags :)
[06:52] <Ashen> konquerer isn't nice like stuffs
[06:52] <Ashen> fox, and such
[06:53] <sproingie> i wonder if any browser supports shorttags
[06:53] <supernix> why can't konqueror support html and css better that is what I wonder
[06:53] <sproingie> surprisingly they do support shorttag nesting
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[06:53] <Chris_Tucker> running firstboot
[06:53] <Ashen> supernix: personally I'd set up a web interface for it, install sql and apache to my computer, and open apache to only localhost (or the network)
[06:54] <Ashen> but thats because I work 10* faster with web stuffs than I do solid languages
[06:54] <Ashen> :p
[06:54] <Ashen> uhm
[06:54] <Ashen> but there must be a nice access like db program out there
[06:54] <Ashen> gnu style
[06:54] <supernix> Ashen, I have thought that same thing that the only good way to do it would be to use a Net environment to do all that 
[06:55] <Chris_Tucker> configing base system
[06:55] <sproingie> openoffice has a access like database thingie
[06:55] <Chris_Tucker> i hope this works
[06:55] <Chris_Tucker> i like kubuntu too much
[06:55] <Ashen> thats what I thought sproing
[06:55] <supernix> I have heard about SQLite lately and that sounds promising like it might work
[06:55] <ricosuave17> hello
[06:55] <sproingie> sqlite's just a db engine.  no front end at all
[06:55] <Ashen> supernix: doesn't Oo have an access ting?
[06:56] <ricosuave17> hey does know here know about the mac os theme for gnome
[06:56] <sproingie> i'm impressed by what sqlite can do, but it's an odd bird.  you replace dbm files with it, not databases
[06:56] <supernix> I have seen something about UnixODB is that what you mean Ashen ?
[06:56] <Ashen> dunno
[06:57] <Ashen> hold on
[06:57] <sproingie> i did build a 7 gig database with sqlite, and it actually performed nicely.  took forever to vacuum tho
[06:57] <Ashen> hah
[06:57] <sproingie> of course pgsql takes a good while to vacuum that much too
[06:58] <Ashen> I've never had enough data in my life to fill a 7 gig database
[06:58] <Ashen> thats a lie... if I put my media in there then sure
[06:58] <sproingie> yeesh
[06:58] <sproingie> i deal with hundreds of megs a day ... not my job to wrangle the db for that tho
[06:58] <Ashen> http://www.openoffice.org/product2/base.html
[06:58] <Ashen> supernix
[06:58] <Ashen> look at she
[06:59] <sproingie> heck probably gigs a day, really
[06:59] <Ashen> haha
[06:59] <Ashen> what do you manage?
[07:00] <sproingie> spam.  lots of spam
[07:00] <Ashen> mailserver?
[07:00] <Ashen> ah
[07:00] <Ashen> :)
[07:00] <sproingie> you think you get lots of spam
[07:00] <Chris_Tucker> lol
[07:01] <sproingie> i get less than 2 million and it's considered a bad day
[07:01] <Ashen> haha
[07:01] <Ashen> good day for you ^_^'
[07:01] <Chris_Tucker> do you alone process that amount in a day?
[07:01] <sproingie> naw, company does
[07:01] <Chris_Tucker> good
[07:01] <Chris_Tucker> lol
[07:01] <sproingie> that's just from what hits the honeypots
[07:02] <Ashen> gah... WHY WONT MY MUSIC PLAY
[07:02] <Ashen> oh... thats right... I killed esd
[07:02] <Ashen> I hate esd
[07:02] <Ashen> it is the stupidest thing everything
[07:02] <supernix> WOW Ashen that looks nice pretty much what I was thinking about 
[07:02] <sproingie> actual figure of real mail processed ... billions, i dunno.  distributed tho, so its not that interesting
[07:02] <Chris_Tucker> one of the reasons i REALLY like ubuntu is it picks up almost ALL hardware i have that i can throw at it
[07:03] <Ashen> supernix: try it. should be perfect for what you're trying to do
[07:03] <Ashen> really?
[07:03] <sproingie> ubuntu's one of the few distros where having an ATI card isn't unbearably painful
[07:03] <Ashen> I dont think ubuntu is THAT great with hardware
[07:03] <Ashen> these days linux distros are pretty good for hardware generally.
[07:04] <Ashen> I remember red hat a couple of years back... and mandrake a couple of years before that... eew.
[07:04] <Ashen> back in the day when KDE and Gnome were exactly the same thing.
[07:04] <sproingie> i used redhat back in the old days.  it seems their package management gets slower and slower
[07:04] <Ashen> ...back in the day .
[07:04] <Chris_Tucker> well this is my main rig, XP never gets hardware on here right. needs external drivers. redhat.. never picks up the monitors sync or the audio. ubuntu: finds audio, matches monitor native res and sync's PERFECTLY without any config
[07:04] <Chris_Tucker> my jaw hit the floor when it did that
[07:04] <sproingie> rpm was never that zippy, but then by rpm4 it just crawled
[07:04] <supernix> Ashen, if I could generate specs on what we require do you reckon it would be possible to get someone to develop the solution I was looking for ?
[07:04] <sproingie> then they added yum and dear lord it's glacial
[07:05] <Ashen> supernix. easily.
[07:05] <sproingie> i think i've emerged on gentoo faster than i've installed via yum
[07:05] <Ashen> people do those things for a living
[07:05] <Ashen> XP needs external drivers for everything -_-
[07:05] <sproingie> not like linux doesnt
[07:05] <Chris_Tucker> and on my footrest which im running it on right now, it picks up the sound, and runs X/kde faster than ive ever seen, yet its a 400mhz celery with onboard 8mb vid 
[07:05] <Ashen> XP isn't that great for drivers... its just that all the manufacturers bundle drivers for it
[07:05] <Ashen> *shrug*
[07:06] <supernix> Actually I settled on Kubuntu because it was the only distro that recognized my monitor and graphics card properly
[07:06] <Ashen> yay for onboard!
[07:06] <sproingie> no, it is good with drivers, just some manufacturers are clueless regardless of platform
[07:06] <Ashen> supernix: you tried running a Knoppix live cd?
[07:06] <Ashen> ^_^
[07:06] <sproingie> the xerox printer i have is a boat anchor on linux, but frankly the driver installation on XP was a nightmare too
[07:07] <supernix> Not only the only one that allowed me to hastle free setup my printer
[07:07] <supernix> Yes that is actually what I started with was Knoppix LiveCD
[07:07] <Ashen> O_o
[07:07] <supernix> that was the first step to getting the Linux experience again
[07:07] <Ashen> and Knoppix didn't pick up your drivers?
[07:07] <supernix> But then when my friend introduced me to Kubunut that was even better
[07:07] <Ashen> you must have some strange hardware if Knoppix cant find it.
[07:07] <Chris_Tucker> meh
[07:07] <Ashen> O_o
[07:07] <Ashen> and even then
[07:08] <Chris_Tucker> im gonna doze off in work tomorrow
[07:08] <Ashen> I like dozing off
[07:08] <supernix> I have a ATI 9200 AGP and an KDS monitor
[07:08] <Chris_Tucker> its getting up on 3am and im determined to get sshd working
[07:08] <Ashen> well its an ATI graphics card... so forget that
[07:08] <Ashen> haha
[07:08] <supernix> My fiancee has a flat panel and no linux distro works with it right
[07:08] <Ashen> get yourself a nice Nvidia 6600.
[07:08] <Ashen> it will make your pants happy.
[07:08] <supernix> LOL what is wrong with ATI 
[07:09] <Ashen> they cant make linux drivers
[07:09] <supernix> LOL make my pants happy roflol
[07:09] <Ashen> and on to of that-- they dont try
[07:09] <supernix> So the shiznat right now is the Nvidia 6600?
[07:09] <supernix> Is that very expensive ?
[07:10] <Chris_Tucker> damn
[07:10] <Ashen> totally-- the 6600's are dirt cheap, run like birds in linux, and they're... the 3rd best card out there
[07:10] <Chris_Tucker> just looked at the other screen
[07:10] <Chris_Tucker> theres a hell of a lot of "python" stuff
[07:10] <Ashen> well... mine cost me 300AUD... so they're at the upper range of the cheap bracket
[07:10] <Ashen> they're not like... an 800$US card
[07:10] <Ashen> :p
[07:11] <supernix> kewl you don't have to compile the driver or anything like that to get 3d working do you ?
[07:11] <Ashen> (like the two cards above them)
[07:11] <Ashen> you do, but the installer does it auto... or you can download from synaptic
[07:11] <Ashen> hehe
[07:11] <supernix> I remember that was an issue years ago with my old Nvidia card that I had once before
[07:11] <Ashen> Nvidia have full blown linux driver support these days
[07:11] <Chris_Tucker> Damnit
[07:12] <Chris_Tucker> cupsys never got configured
[07:12] <Chris_Tucker> again
[07:12] <Ashen> Nvidia is your friend.
[07:12] <Chris_Tucker> i just saw it
[07:12] <supernix> hmmmmmm you have peaked my interest for a card that I had swore I would not use again
[07:12] <Chris_Tucker> why the hell wont that peice of shit configure?
[07:12] <Ashen> partly because Nvidia cards have a tendancy to handle Opengl better then DX, where as ATI are the other way around... so ATI are pretty much married to microsoft.
[07:13] <supernix> YUCK there is that dirty word
[07:13] <Ashen> damn it... I need a new monitor... the refresh rate on this one is eating away at my retinas.
[07:13] <Ashen> haha.
[07:13] <supernix> I am honestly hoping to never have to go back to windows again
[07:13] <Chris_Tucker> Any ideas on the cupsys configureing prob?
[07:14] <Chris_Tucker> i dont wanna go to gnome
[07:14] <Ashen> mmm... I had to go back to windows... to play halflife 2. I just couldn't get nice frames in linux. (my MB only has AGP 4x, so my card only runs at half speed O_O)
[07:14] <Ashen> all my other games run fine in cedega tho
[07:15] <Ashen> cupsys... what does it say?
[07:15] <Chris_Tucker> that chmod crap
[07:15] <Ashen> you need to sudo it
[07:15] <Chris_Tucker> someone told me to run a command
[07:15] <Chris_Tucker> http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?action=getpaste&pasteID=44702
[07:16] <Ashen> (not that you need it to be configured properly to run KDE)
[07:16] <Chris_Tucker> it produced that, which is also produced on first boot
[07:16] <Chris_Tucker> nah but it needs to be for apt to stop complaining and work right
[07:17] <Ashen> do something like
[07:17] <supernix> UGH I got to get back to KDE I just can't stand this Gnome any longer
[07:17] <Ashen> $ apt-get install -F kubuntu-desktop 
[07:17] <Ashen> or maybe its... $ apt-get install --force-all kubuntu-desktop 
[07:17] <Chris_Tucker> i'll try that once its done booting >.<
[07:17] <supernix> BRB gang
[07:18] <Ashen> I can never remember which force command belongs to which app
[07:18] <Ashen> I like the force command
[07:18] <Ashen> its like pretending the error never happened.
[07:18] <Ashen> makes you feel all nice and shiny inside.
[07:18] <sproingie> force is bad
[07:18] <Ashen> :P
[07:18] <Ashen> course it is
[07:18] <Ashen> *shrug*
[07:19] <Ashen> but shiny feeling beats badness.
[07:19] <sproingie> i always feel like a dirty brute when i use force
[07:19] <Ashen> haha
[07:20] <Ashen> well... you COULD explain to chris how to go through and reconfigure the directories and files for cups
[07:20] <Ashen> or whatever the problem is
[07:20] <Ashen> but that wont guarantee the problem will be fixed
[07:20] <Ashen> you'll end up vncing to his machine
[07:21] <Ashen> stealing all his porn, and then esploding his hdd... 
[07:21] <Ashen> nothing will EVER be solved
[07:21] <Ashen> you see what I'm getting at here?
[07:21] <sproingie> cups is proof there is a god
[07:21] <sproingie> a wrathful and vengeful one
[07:21] <Ashen> thats right.
[07:21] <Ashen> (or close enough)
[07:22] <Ashen> (I pretty much just wanted to mention porn)
[07:22] <Ashen> :p
[07:22] <Chris_Tucker> erm
[07:22] <Chris_Tucker> no not cups
[07:22] <Chris_Tucker> cupsys
[07:23] <Chris_Tucker> its got some dependancy over kubuntu-desktop
[07:23] <Ashen> kubuntu-desktop has lots of "dependancies"
[07:23] <Ashen> as I said-- you COULD pretend their not there
[07:23] <Chris_Tucker> well for this to work right its telling me cupsys has to be configured
[07:24] <Chris_Tucker> and it just wont do it on its own
[07:24] <Ashen> *sigh*
[07:24] <Ashen> lemme look at that thing again
[07:24] <Ashen> do
[07:24] <Ashen> $ sudo apt-get install -force cupsys
[07:24] <ray_> does anybody else have screensaver problems?
[07:25] <Chris_Tucker> it spits out the same error when i try to apt-get openssh-server or ssh
[07:25] <Ashen> not at the moment... 
[07:25] <Ashen> but I'm typing
[07:25] <Ashen> so who knows!
[07:25] <Ashen> why-- do you?
[07:25] <Ashen> if so-- what?
[07:25] <Ashen> said I said
[07:25] <Ashen> $sudo apt-get install -F cupsys
[07:26] <Ashen> sorry...
[07:26] <Ashen> $sudo apt-get install --force-yes cupsys
[07:26] <supernix> well hello stranger
[07:26] <Chris_Tucker> lol
[07:26] <supernix> Ah my fonts look so much better now
[07:26] <Chris_Tucker> cant make up your mind?
[07:27] <supernix> But gosh those Gnome apps sure are ugly under KDE
[07:27] <Ashen> I had to check what the force command was
[07:27] <ray_> r u the real chris tucker?
[07:27] <Chris_Tucker> Ashen: it crashed with same erros
[07:27] <Ashen> O-o
[07:27] <Chris_Tucker> ray_, im A real Chris Tucker
[07:27] <Chris_Tucker> but im not black
[07:27] <Ashen> try just cups
[07:27] <Ashen> hold on
[07:28] <ray_> no your not
[07:28] <Chris_Tucker> package cups has no installation canditate
[07:28] <Chris_Tucker> candidate even
[07:29] <Chris_Tucker> forceing kubuntu-desktop returned same error
[07:29] <Ashen> O_o
[07:30] <Ashen> yeh... i just checked... 
[07:30] <Ashen> there isn't any cups package ;p
[07:30] <Ashen> uh
[07:30] <Ashen> naavigate to that folder
[07:30] <Chris_Tucker> to what folder
[07:30] <Ashen> --> /usr/lib/cups/backend/
[07:31] <Ashen> does /usr/lib/cups exist?
[07:31] <ralph1> Help I tried to install a deb that seth made for me using sudo dpkg -i and for what ever reason it did not pull in needied dependencies. Now when I try to install dependencies using Syaptic it tries to remove the deb before installing pkgs but throws an error trying to remove the original package
[07:31] <Chris_Tucker> yes
[07:31] <Chris_Tucker> i managed to get sshd running
[07:31] <Ashen> are you by any chance running a cups server that you compiled yourself?
[07:32] <Chris_Tucker> no
[07:32] <Chris_Tucker> fresh install
[07:32] <Ashen> try killing any processes linked to cups
[07:32] <Chris_Tucker> killall cups?
[07:32] <Chris_Tucker> or 
[07:32] <Chris_Tucker> killall cups*?
[07:32] <Ashen> with the wildcard
[07:33] <Chris_Tucker> cups*: no process killed
[07:33] <Ashen> -_-'
[07:34] <Ashen> ralph1: have you tried to remove the package using dpkg?
[07:34] <Ashen> Chris: hrmmm.
[07:34] <ralph1> Ashen: no limited knowledge with cli
[07:34] <Chris_Tucker> i got sshd running so at least i can get sleep when i go now
[07:35] <Ashen> Chris: $ sudo chmod 0777 -R /usr/lib.cups
[07:35] <Chris_Tucker> but it would be nice to do this
[07:35] <Chris_Tucker> hm ok trying
[07:35] <Ashen> ralph: $ sudo dpkg -r <package name> 
[07:35] <Ashen> (I think)
[07:35] <Chris_Tucker> Ashen: no file or directory
[07:36] <Ashen> wtf?
[07:36] <Ashen> oh
[07:36] <Ashen> sorry, typo
[07:36] <Ashen> $ sudo chmod 0777 -R /usr/lib/cups
[07:37] <Ashen> ralph1: then install your dependancies, and then try installing it again
[07:37] <Ashen> ralph1: dpkg doesn't download dependancies, its just for installing packages you have on your machine
[07:37] <Ashen> ralph1: apt-get does networking stuffs
[07:37] <Chris_Tucker> done
[07:38] <Ashen> k, now try the apt-get cupsys line
[07:38] <Ashen> $ sudo apt-get install cupsys
[07:39] <Chris_Tucker> same error
[07:39] <supernix> wow I think someone was trying to hack my box
[07:39] <Ashen> *sigh* I dont get it Chris... 
[07:39] <Ashen> :S
[07:39] <Chris_Tucker> neither do i
[07:40] <supernix> actually that is kind of scary
[07:40] <Chris_Tucker> i'll try and fix it some other time, right now i need sleep
[07:40] <Ashen> haha
[07:40] <Ashen> fair enuf
[07:40] <Chris_Tucker> but i did manage to crash amaroK
[07:40] <supernix> Invalid user resin from ::ffff:59.150.42.11
[07:41] <Ashen> you might wanna try fudge the file ipd in the directory
[07:41] <Chris_Tucker> and then make it pop up sound server fatal error cpu overload
[07:41] <Ashen> haha
[07:41] <Chris_Tucker> fudgt the file ipd?
[07:41] <Chris_Tucker> huh?
[07:41] <supernix> they tried to login a half a dozen times using all kind of usernames
[07:41] <Ashen> uhm
[07:41] <Ashen> "cannot access `/usr/lib/cups/backend/ipp': No such file or directory"
[07:41] <Ashen> Ipp
[07:41] <Ashen> sorry
[07:42] <Chris_Tucker> yea
[07:42] <Chris_Tucker> but the chmod should have fixed that
[07:42] <Ashen> mmm
[07:42] <ralph1> ralph@sassy:~/Downloads$ sudo dpkg -r gramps
[07:42] <Chris_Tucker> -R makes it recursive
[07:42] <ralph1> (Reading database ... 79707 files and directories currently installed.)
[07:42] <Chris_Tucker> well
[07:42] <ralph1> Removing gramps ...
[07:42] <Ashen> maybe there is something wrong with the package you downloaded
[07:42] <Chris_Tucker> not if it doesnt exist
[07:42] <ralph1> dpkg: error processing gramps (--remove):
[07:42] <ralph1>  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1
[07:42] <ralph1> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:42] <ralph1>  gramps
[07:42] <ralph1> ralph@sassy:~/Downloads$  
[07:42] <Ashen> clean out your cache and download it again
[07:42] <Ashen> tho
[07:43] <Ashen> you prolly dont want to clean your cache
[07:43] <Ashen> if you've got kde in it
[07:43] <Ashen> :p
[07:43] <ralph1> Ashen: sorry that does not work as the removal script throws an error and ends with exit stauts 1
[07:44] <Chris_Tucker> same error im getting
[07:45] <Ashen> thats it... versionlocking dpkg package now
[07:45] <Ashen> :p
[07:47] <supernix> do you guys see stuff like that often ? people trying to break into your box and such ?
[07:47] <Ashen> nope
[07:47] <Ashen> tho my network is so messy its ridiculous
[07:48] <Ashen> I mean, finding me on the internet is one thing, but finding me on my network-- another thing entirely
[07:48] <Ashen> :p
[07:48] <supernix> I have seen at least three different attempts to login to sshd
[07:49] <ralph1> Ashen: is there any way to get apt to forget about removing the pkg so that I can get dependencies installed
[07:49] <Ashen> I want the KDE guys to implement 3d into the WM in 4
[07:49] <Ashen> yup
[07:50] <Ashen> $ sudo apt-get install --force-yes <package name> <package name>
[07:50] <Ashen> there goes the force command again
[07:50] <Ashen> making the world a slightly better place for a marginal amount of time.
[07:52] <Ashen> yay
[07:52] <Ashen> music is going
[07:53] <ralph1> Ashen: Thanks then what command in dpkg would I use to try reinstalling pkg
[07:53] <Ashen> ralph1: after you've installed your dependancies
[07:53] <Ashen> ralph1: sudo dpkg -i gramps
[07:54] <Ashen> sorry
[07:54] <Ashen> ralph1: $ sudo dpkg -i <package name>.deb
[07:54] <ralph1> Ashen: Thanks for your help 
[07:54] <Ashen> np
[07:54] <Ashen> :)
[07:55] <ralph1> Ashen: Just wish this was a KDE program not gnome
[07:55] <Ashen> heh
[07:55] <Ashen> what is it?
[07:56] <ralph1> Ashen: Gramps a Geneology program. Keeps track of your ancestors
[07:56] <Ashen> ah
[07:57] <Ashen> gnome programs aren't THAT bad... as long as they're done well... KDE handles them okay
[07:57] <Ashen> tho admitantly KDE apps are prettier
[07:57] <Ashen> :p
[07:57] <ralph1> Does not seem to be any KDE programs for this area
[07:58] <ralph1> Ashen that did not work as it still tried to remove program 
[07:59] <Ashen> O_o
[07:59] <Ashen> if you removed it with dpkg it shouldn't need to remove it
[08:00] <ralph1> dpkg did not remove it as removal script throws an error and exits with out removal
[08:00] <Ashen> even with force?
[08:00] <Ashen> O_o
[08:00] <Ashen> oh
[08:00] <Ashen> wait... so apt-get still wont install the dependencies
[08:00] <Ashen> ?
[08:02] <ralph1> Did not try removal with force what is command. Yes apt-get still will not install dependencies even with force as it still wants to remove gramps before installing.
[08:02] <Ashen> -_-
[08:02] <Ashen> try using -F instead of --force yes
[08:03] <Ashen> I think apt-get might have a strange force structure
[08:04] <Ashen> or maybe --force-all
[08:05] <Ashen> $ sudo apt-get --force-all install <package names>
[08:07] <ralph1> Ashen: -F and --force-all did not work
[08:07] <Ashen> :S
[08:09] <Ashen> ...
[08:09] <Ashen> I dunno what the problem could be
[08:10] <Ashen> even if the package is something weird, it should still be able to be removed
[08:12] <ralph1> Ashen: when it tries to remove it it seems to refer to some removal script that is broken. There has to be someway to get system to forget about the pkg and then let me install dependencies
[08:26] <Ashen> force SHOULD do it
[08:28] <pawitp> I patch the kernel with bootsplash but I can't find where is the option to enable it
[08:33] <chromate> hi, for some reason no plugins in mozilla-firefox are working for  me
[08:34] <Teknoenie> hi all
[08:35] <Teknoenie> anyone here using Amarok?
[08:38] <Teknoenie> i can't seem to get amarok collections to work
[08:48] <Teknoenie> anyone get rails working on ubuntu again
[08:48] <Teknoenie> it's broken cuz of ruby version
[08:49] <ricosuave17> what is ruby?
[08:49] <Teknoenie> programming language
[08:49] <Teknoenie> Ruby on Rails
[08:49] <ricosuave17> oh ok
[08:50] <nmorse> Ooh, the possibilities of E17
[08:51] <nmorse> I'm currently attempting to animate the classic FF7 Sephiroth in Flames background to actually move with fire
[08:52] <TestMAD> problem..and how do i fix?
[08:52] <TestMAD> xine: cannot find input plugin for MRL [] 
[08:53] <TestMAD> xine: found input plugin : http input plugin
[08:53] <TestMAD> >>> Check if another program already uses PCM <<<
[08:53] <TestMAD> snd_pcm_open() failed:-16:Device or resource busy
[08:55] <ralph1> Ashen: is apt-get able to force a downgrade of a pckage
[08:56] <ralph1> Ashen: that might get me around this problem, as it should also bring in dependencies
[08:57] <nmorse> Is there a DVD version with all the software on it instead of just a One CD version?
[09:16] <Ashen> ralph1: yes, I think it can-- though I wouldn't for the life of me know how
[09:16] <Ashen> wait
[09:16] <Ashen> why dont you just go
[09:16] <Ashen> $ apt-get install gramps
[09:17] <Ashen> sorry
[09:17] <Ashen> $ sudo apt-get install gramps
[09:17] <Ashen> I just did that and it worked fine
[09:17] <Ashen> O_o
[09:41] <ralph1> Does any one know if the standard install provieds the Berkely Database stuff
[11:23] <hettar> Upgraging to the 3.4.1 packages won't break anything will it ?
[11:27] <smux> it's very very nice kde now. i love :] 
[11:44] <spike> hi
[11:46] <spike> I've replaced kdm and kdesplash 's theme, but I still see the kubuntu image right after I've logged in through kdm, and before kdesplash is loaded.
[11:46] <spike> I cant get where that is defined
[11:46] <spike> I've grepped both /usr/share/ for "background.png" and ~/.kde/, but the few references I found didn't help
[11:51] <tsoum> hello all
[11:52] <tsoum> i have install kubuntu this morning and this work fine
[11:52] <tsoum> excuse my english i am french
[11:52] <tsoum> but i can't connecte to msn with kopete
[11:53] <tsoum> it says that my password isen't correct
[11:53] <tsoum> any idea ?
[12:04] <epiloc> mine was doing the same thing
[12:04] <epiloc> unfortunately i never figured it out :(
[12:04] <epiloc> so im on gaim now
[12:07] <spike> but I didn't really need it, so I'm still using kopete, gaim sux
[12:14] <mikl> what is the name of the deb-file for KDM?
[12:15] <insanekane> sethk: hello :) ... hows about the kmymoney2 0.7.4 ?
[12:20] <Riddell> insanekane: someone needs to package it
[12:21] <insanekane> Riddell: sethk already has ...
[12:21] <Riddell> aah :)
[12:21] <insanekane> Riddell: supposedly uploaded to his server last night ... though i dont know which server that is
[12:21] <insanekane> Riddell: is there any plan to include qt-immodule patch with Kubuntu ?
[12:22] <insanekane> Riddell: qt-immodule would be nice for a non-crashy IME handling
[12:23] <Riddell> insanekane: IME?
[12:24] <insanekane> Riddell: you know ... like scim-im.org
[12:24] <insanekane> Riddell: for easy input of East and South Asian scripts
[12:25] <Riddell> just wondering what IME stood for
[12:25] <Riddell> wow, 1MB.  big patch
[12:25] <insanekane> Riddell: Input Method Editor
[12:25] <insanekane> Riddell: it will be integrated in Qt4
[12:26] <Riddell> then someone needs to package skim
[12:26] <insanekane> Riddell: but until then, it is a patch
[12:26] <insanekane> Riddell: i am willing to package skim
[12:26] <insanekane> Riddell: (though i dont know how)
[12:26] <Riddell> insanekane: deal, you package skim and I'll look into adding this patch to Qt :)
[12:27] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackagingGuide
[12:27] <insanekane> Riddell: ok ... will get back to you in a few days
[12:39] <mikl> I am _really_ starting to hate APT..
[12:39] <insanekane> mikl: why ? its so nice
[12:39] <mikl> why can't it just not do what I say instead of whining about broken packages...
[12:40] <insanekane> Riddell: i need to upgrade the scim version ... should I just package the latest version of it ? or should I contact the maintainer ?
[12:40] <insanekane> mikl: so that it doesnt break your system and make you blame it
[12:41] <mikl> well, my system is already broken and apt prevents me from fixing it. How's that for user-friendlyness
[12:41] <Riddell> insanekane: oh yes, well first make sure than scim and skim 1.4 both compile fine.  then update the scim package and contact the maintainer
[12:42] <pobstil> a hoy hoy
[12:44] <mikl> ah, hell with it... where's my Gentoo-CD?
[12:57] <Riggzy_Linux> Argh, anyone know how to get past the 'device busy' when trying to unmount a CD?
[12:58] <dgtl> hi everyone
[12:59] <Riggzy_Linux> hey
[12:59] <hussam> what up folks?
[01:00] <Mez> Riggzy_Linux, umount -f /device
[01:00] <Mez> (replace /device with the device for your CD)
[01:00] <Mez> you might need to sudo umount -f
[01:06] <dgtl> anyone know how to change the login screen? it's all greyed out in Control Center
[01:15] <Chris_Tucker> dgtl, click administrator mode down at the bottom
[01:15] <Chris_Tucker> on a lower resolution you may have to "hide" your panel by clicking the arrow by the clock to see buttons at the bottoms of windows.
[01:16] <dgtl> it's still greyed out after i've entered my password
[01:17] <Chris_Tucker> thats odd, did the area in the control center get a red bar around it?
[01:18] <dgtl> yup... then a delay... then i get to an info screen showing host name etc...
[01:19] <Chris_Tucker> dgtl, thats odd, when that red box appears inside the control panel, once you enter your password you should be able to select things and change them. did you try restarting the control panel?
[01:21] <dgtl> yeah i've tried it several times
[01:21] <Chris_Tucker> odd
[01:22] <Chris_Tucker> perhaps someone who's seen the problem before will wake up soon and you'll be lucky
[01:26] <Chris_Tucker> is synaptic compatable with kubuntu-desktop? :X i like it better
[01:26] <buz> yes
[01:26] <buz> you'll need the gnome libs
[01:26] <buz> but it works perfectly
[01:26] <Chris_Tucker> ok great i shall do that
[01:27] <buz> apt-get install synaptic ;)
[01:27] <buz> i only use synaptic
[01:27] <buz> besides firefox and thunderbird the only GNOME app i use
[01:27] <apokryphos> I don't think you'll need gnome libs; perhaps GTK stuff
[01:27] <buz> yeah
[01:27] <buz> that sounds better ;)
[01:27] <apokryphos> buz: they're gtk, not gnome.
[01:27] <Chris_Tucker> firefox and thunderbird are gnome?
[01:27] <Chris_Tucker> thought they were just general
[01:27] <apokryphos> nope
[01:27] <buz> to me it's roughly the same ;)
[01:27] <Chris_Tucker> ah
[01:27] <apokryphos> Chris_Tucker: they're GTK
[01:27] <buz> everything with GTK sucks ;)
[01:27] <apokryphos> buz: they're really n ot the same =)
[01:28] <Chris_Tucker> yea i read that a little late after i typed what i typed apokryphos
[01:28] <Chris_Tucker> ;)
[01:28] <apokryphos> that's like saying Qt and KDE are the same :P
[01:28] <Chris_Tucker> i like GTK
[01:28] <buz> point
[01:28] <buz> i still hate gtk tho
[01:28] <apokryphos> looks slightly more bearable with the gtk-qt engine, admittedly
[01:29] <buz> still not good enough tho ;)
[01:29] <buz> i  really hope someone gets qt firefox to compile
[01:29] <apokryphos> I heard firefox takes ages to compile. You got a link to the source?
[01:29] <Chris_Tucker> i have to say i love how well linux compresses things ... "need to get 4 megs of archives" "after this 23 megs of additional disk space will be used"
[01:29] <mile> anyone knows how to do "make static" with gnu make? I read something about static patterns, but i don't know how to use them.
[01:29] <buz> hussamn said about 30min on a fast machine
[01:29] <Chris_Tucker> windows just cant compare to that
[01:29] <buz> apokryphos: its on the mozilla ftp
[01:30] <buz> in the deer park folder
[01:30] <buz> didnt compile for me
[01:30] <buz> but then again i'm no compile wizard
[01:30] <hussam> 1.0.x compiles fine
[01:30] <buz> hussam: in qt or plain gtk?
[01:30] <hussam> gtk2
[01:31] <buz> i half guessed that ;)
[01:31] <apokryphos> Has no-one put firefox qt as a suggested package?
[01:31] <hussam> remember qt is still experimental
[01:31] <buz> dunno
[01:31] <buz> we don't even know if it runs so far
[01:31] <buz> a binary to beat on would be the first step
[01:31] <Chris_Tucker> eh? ok little prob, apt-get synaptic cant get from its mirrors, so i ran apt-get update.. and something is not quite right.. network is unreachable :O i have some network device configing to do i think
[01:31] <apokryphos> well, the person making the package would probably compile from source
[01:32] <|rockinnerd|> morning all 
[01:32] <|rockinnerd|> touch: cannot touch `my_ass': Permission denied
[01:32] <apokryphos> haha
[01:32] <|rockinnerd|> ^^ old joke
[01:32] <Chris_Tucker> hehe yep i have work to do.. konquerer cant access the net either
[01:33] <apokryphos> Chris_Tucker: are you on IRC from the same computer?
[01:33] <|rockinnerd|> Chris_Tucker, ifconfig eth0
[01:33] <Chris_Tucker> nope
[01:33] <buz> apokryphos: sure
[01:33] <apokryphos> Chris_Tucker: you're not connected to the Internet, most likely then
[01:33] <buz> but i'd rather know if its worth the hassle in advance
[01:33] <hussam> apokryphos: do you want the .mozconfig for compiling firefox 1.0.6?
[01:33] <Chris_Tucker> heh, |rockinnerd|, i know how to config it, just stateing that i have to
[01:33] <|rockinnerd|> ah.
[01:33] <apokryphos> hussam: no idea what that is; is it required?
[01:34] <hussam> yes
[01:34] <Chris_Tucker> apokryphos, its dns or gateway setting, i can ssh in just fine
[01:34] <apokryphos> hussam: yes please then :)
[01:34] <hussam> apokryphos: what processor?
[01:35] <hussam> apokryphos: what processor do you use?
[01:35] <apokryphos> Normal Athlon 2600+ 32-bit
[01:35] <dgtl> i asked this yesterday but i'll try again... anyone know how to disable the spinning animation when launching apps? it looks really awful
[01:35] <dgtl> (in the taskbar)
[01:35] <Chris_Tucker> heh my gateway dissappeared from my settings :O
[01:35] <|rockinnerd|> dgtl, rt-click on the taskbar
[01:36] <|rockinnerd|> select properties
[01:36] <|rockinnerd|> its in there somewhere
[01:36] <dgtl> hehe maybe but i can't find it
[01:37] <|rockinnerd|> im in GNOME now, i'll get into kde so i'll brb
[01:37] <apokryphos> buz: hm, looked around and can't see it. Any hints?
[01:37] <buz> second
[01:37] <hussam> apokryphos: first of all downlaod this source http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.0.6/source/firefox-1.0.6-source.tar.bz2
[01:37] <apokryphos> dgtl: what spinning thing exactly?
[01:37] <apokryphos> aha, ok thanks
[01:37] <buz> that one doesnt do qt th
[01:38] <buz> tho
[01:38] <hussam> yes 1.0.6 only works with gtk2
[01:38] <dgtl> apokryphos: well when you launch a program it appears in the taskbar and a hourglass appears which is spinning around until it's loaded
[01:38] <apokryphos> nikkia: you tried out this qt firefox?
[01:38] <nikkia> apokryphos: no
[01:38] <buz> apokryphos:  ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/deerpark/alpha2/source/firefox-1.1a2-source.tar.bz2
[01:38] <nikkia> i know of it, tho
[01:38] <apokryphos> dgtl: No idea -- I don't have that
[01:38] <|rockinnerd|> dgtl, k menu --> control center --> apearance and themes --> launch feedback
[01:39] <Chris_Tucker> 1.0.6 is still beta isnt it?
[01:39] <Chris_Tucker> as 1.0.5 just came out
[01:39] <nikkia> Chameleon22: no
[01:39] <nikkia> oops
[01:39] <nikkia> Chris_Tucker: no
[01:39] <Chris_Tucker> and is only in english so far
[01:39] <nikkia> 1.0.6 was a rushed fix for a major problem in 1.0.5
[01:39] <buz> no 1.0.6 is finished
[01:39] <buz> and all languages too
[01:39] <Chris_Tucker> hm
[01:39] <hussam> no don't try firefox 1.1. go with the stable 1.0.6
[01:39] <buz> why bother with stable
[01:39] <Chris_Tucker> i should get that today then
[01:40] <dgtl> |rockinnerd|: well that's for the cursor, i'm talking about the spinning hourglass in the taskbar
[01:40] <buz> there's plenty of binaries of stable
[01:40] <buz> i'm running the official one right now, so that's not really an issue
[01:40] <buz> if anything, making a deb would be nice
[01:40] <|rockinnerd|> oh.
[01:40] <apokryphos> buz: so the above is the qt firefox?
[01:40] <buz> but it's really just untarring and go
[01:40] <buz> it's the 1.1alpha2 which has qt stuff in it
[01:40] <buz> and qt switches
[01:40] <apokryphos> ok, cool. Untarring now
[01:41] <hussam> 1.1 won't compile with qt, I've tried it.
[01:41] <apokryphos> :|
[01:41] <Chris_Tucker> they get thunderbird 1.0.6 out too?
[01:41] <buz> Chris_Tucker: yes
[01:41] <Chris_Tucker> kk
[01:41] <buz> get the binary and untar it, works fine
[01:41] <buz> might need to do some symlinking between the profile folders at most
[01:43] <|rockinnerd|> dgtl, maybe try turning off application icons in control center
[01:43] <hussam> buz: even if it does compile with qt3 , it'll still be slow. it is that xul that slows it down not gtk2
[01:43] <buz> yeah
[01:43] <buz> but at least it gets better integration
[01:43] <buz> better file dialogs for one
[01:43] <apokryphos> wonder if it's worth the trip. I'd perhaps rather just recompile kde svn ;-)
[01:43] <dgtl> |rockinnerd|: well i want those but not the spinning hourglass... is there a way to get windows to remember their size/position?
[01:43] <buz> mhh is there anything working from kde4 already?
[01:44] <|rockinnerd|> dgtl, idk, browse the control center
[01:44] <apokryphos> dgtl: yes, you can use the --gemoetry option
[01:44] <|rockinnerd|> that too :)
[01:45] <apokryphos> I'm kind of really wondering what this hourglass in the taskbar is; don't think I've ever seen it
[01:46] <Chris_Tucker> bleh control center is cranky
[01:46] <Chris_Tucker> how do i set the gateway with ifconfig?
[01:47] <dgtl> does printscreen take a screenshot?
[01:47] <hussam> buz: i'm asking in irc.mozilla.org about firefox-qt
[01:47] <apokryphos> you can probably also use alt + f3 -> advanced -> Special window settings
[01:47] <buz> i tried freenode#firefox no answers there
[01:47] <buz> but yeah, mozilla org might be better
[01:48] <hussam> a person there just told me it worked for him back in february but not since then.
[01:48] <hussam> but he'll give me the script
[01:48] <buz> i think i've once seen that switch in 1.0 codeline as well
[01:49] <buz> konqueror is faster than firefox but no extensions :(
[01:49] <dgtl> hmm how do i take a screenshot?
[01:49] <buz> ksnapshot
[01:49] <apokryphos> dgtl: many ways; ksnapshot, imagemagick, gimp
[01:49] <dgtl> apokryphos: thanks that solved my windowsize problem
[01:50] <hussam> buz: I doubt it, the qt stuff were only introduced in firefox 1.1
[01:50] <buz> might have been something about gecko as konqueror engine...
[01:50] <apokryphos> :|
[01:51] <Chris_Tucker> installing synaptic :)
[01:51] <apokryphos> Chris_Tucker: it's also worth giving KPackage a shot -- I prefer it, myself.
[01:51] <Chris_Tucker> isnt that already in here?
[01:51] <dgtl> apokryphos: is it ok if i send you a screenshot?
[01:52] <apokryphos> dgtl: sure, go ahead. :)
[01:52] <Chris_Tucker> hm
[01:52] <Chris_Tucker> so its not
[01:52] <buz> put it on imageshack
[01:52] <Chris_Tucker> i thought i had it
[01:52] <Chris_Tucker> well im gonna let this isntall, gonna be a while on dialup, brb, im gonna find some breakfast
[01:53] <apokryphos> you know, I can only recall one successful dcc transfer on freenode :P
[01:53] <dgtl> ah crap
[01:53] <apokryphos> dgtl: ImageMagick/Photobucket are good choices, though
[01:54] <buz> as i say, imageshack
[01:54] <buz> doesnt get any easier
[01:54] <apokryphos> buz: whoop, sorry, I meant that. 
[01:54] <apokryphos> ImageMagick on my brain :P
[01:55] <hussam> buz: I'm gonna try it again but with a stripped down firefox
[01:55] <buz> k
[01:55] <buz> i'm really interested in seeing if it works
[01:55] <buz> would send the last gtk app to hell 
[01:56] <buz> apokryphos: true
[01:56] <buz> i heard there was a qt-swt inhouse at ibm
[01:56] <nikkia> apokryphos: that's java tho
[01:56] <buz> but licensing dispute with trolltech prevent it from being released
[01:56] <|rockinnerd|> bittorrent dude
[01:56] <nikkia> buz, sounds about right :/
[01:57] <apokryphos> nikkia: I know =)
[01:57] <dgtl> hmm
[01:57] <buz> i've found azureus on linux fu**** slo
[01:57] <buz> w
[01:57] <buz> slower than on win even
[01:57] <dgtl> flickr didn't seem to work either
[01:57] <nikkia> anyway, the last gtk app i'll be running will be gimp, i'm sure
[01:57] <buz> i'll stick to krita
[01:57] <buz> more than enough for me
[01:57] <buz> not sure about OO2 though
[01:57] <apokryphos> Krita's not nearly as advanced as gimp
[01:57] <buz> that could be whatever
[01:57] <buz> i know
[01:57] <buz> but it does it for me
[01:58] <nikkia> i use gimp fairly deeply, its going to be a long time before its replaced with something Qt/KDE :/
[01:58] <apokryphos> nikkia: azureus still uses gtk, right?
[01:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: only via java
[01:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: change java to use qt, and you'll solve that :)
[01:58] <buz> java doesn't use gtk
[01:58] <buz> swt does
[01:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: eclipse uses gtk here for the same reason
[01:59] <nikkia> buz, same difference
[01:59] <buz> and swt's licence is incompatible with the gpl
[01:59] <buz> or so they say
[01:59] <apokryphos> nikkia: interesting; how would I change that?
[01:59] <buz> reimplement swt in qt
[01:59] <nikkia> apokryphos: you can't, atm, unless you write your own swt provider :)
[01:59] <nikkia> you could conceivably compile the windows swt provider against wine *evil grin*
[02:00] <apokryphos> heh, not that much need. I'm just waiting for ktorrent to really take off
[02:00] <apokryphos> azureus is really cpu intensive with many uploads/downloads
[02:00] <buz> doesnt wine use gtk internally?
[02:00] <buz> (as ugly as it looks i always thought it did)
[02:01] <nikkia> buz, i don't think so
[02:01] <nikkia> it only depends on X11 libs, my guess is its pure Xlib
[02:01] <dgtl> apokryphos: ok i did it... check this one -> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14111560%40N00/27546515/
[02:01] <nikkia> and thats how it was in the early days, and it hasn't improved in looks since then :)
[02:02] <apokryphos> before I used Linux and I heard of wine I thought it was Linux's saving grace. How little I knew :P
[02:02] <buz> after a while
[02:02] <nikkia> apokryphos: before wine, we were saying the same about WABI :P
[02:02] <buz> i've come to like most linux apps better than their win32 counterparts
[02:02] <buz> (save for dreamweaver, which really is unmatched)
[02:03] <apokryphos> !dreamweaver
[02:03] <ubotu> dreamweaver is, like, a Dreamweaver might pose a potential challenge to other WYSIWYG editors, but it's still pathetic. Learn the real [X] HTML/CSS, you don't have to be a genius.
[02:03] <apokryphos> hehe; that one's pretty similar to dpkg's response :P
[02:04] <buz> i do KNOW XHTML and CSS
[02:04] <|rockinnerd|> what's that Gecko-based WYSIWIG editor?
[02:04] <buz> nvu
[02:04] <buz> useless for the most part
[02:04] <|rockinnerd|> !nvu
[02:04] <ubotu> somebody said nvu was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToInstallNVUHTMLEditor/ http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.""
[02:04] <|rockinnerd|> is it WYSIWYG?
[02:04] <buz> but dreamweaver is very nice to understand the structure of OTHER sites
[02:04] <nikkia> buz, now now, it does one thing REALLY well, and that's 'crash a lot'
[02:04] <buz> parsing CSS in my head sucks
[02:04] <apokryphos> dgtl: aha, it loaded. Cool.
[02:04] <buz> i thought mangle my html
[02:05] <apokryphos> dgtl: hourglass... oh, I see what you mean
[02:06] <apokryphos> is that an OOo idiosyncrasy? I don't get it in KDE apps
[02:06] <|rockinnerd|> synaptic is pissing out on me, so i had to use Kynaptic.  Wow. kynaptic sucks imho
[02:06] <|rockinnerd|> + its slow
[02:06] <buz> is that OO? looks much too good for oo
[02:06] <apokryphos> |rockinnerd|: it does indeed. Try out KPackage
[02:06] <dgtl> ehm nah i get it with all apps
[02:06] <apokryphos> weird
[02:07] <dgtl> looks really bad too
[02:07] <apokryphos> dgtl: oh, do you mean only when they're starting up?
[02:07] <|rockinnerd|> gawd, i /msg ubotu with !kpackage and i get "ubotu: Are you smoking crack?"
[02:07] <dgtl> like 4 colours or something... yeah then the hourglass spins around
[02:07] <apokryphos> I probably get it then too. K apps open up just so fast that I don't notice it ;-)
[02:07] <|rockinnerd|> i get it but i really dont care if its there
[02:07] <dgtl> hehe i should have that same problem considering the spec i have on this computer
[02:08] <|rockinnerd|> kynaptic's GUI looks like it came from the same developers who made Windoze XP's GUI
[02:08] <apokryphos> |rockinnerd|: yeah, that's what he says when he doesn't have a response
[02:08] <|rockinnerd|> i cant stand it
[02:08] <apokryphos> Should add one for KPackage, actually
[02:08] <|rockinnerd|> ^^ the gui
[02:09] <apokryphos> I don't think it's great at all, neither; it's not in harmony with KDE apps in general. I still of course stick to aptitude/apt-get, but generally choose KPackage if I ahve to venture into GUI
[02:10] <apokryphos> I really like the way it doesn't hog apt when you're using it [kpackage] 
[02:10] <|rockinnerd|> Is flightgear still around?
[02:10] <Chris_Tucker> after apt-get install-ing synaptic, will it appear on my kde menu?
[02:10] <apokryphos> no idea. KDE is working on a new package manager though
[02:10] <|rockinnerd|> ok _now_ synaptic works
[02:11] <|rockinnerd|> Chris_Tucker, yes
[02:11] <|rockinnerd|> under system
[02:11] <|rockinnerd|> but it'll prob make you install GTK, ftr
[02:11] <Chris_Tucker> ok
[02:12] <Chris_Tucker> on a side note, where do i put links to have them appear on my menu?
[02:12] <Chris_Tucker> ie: im gonna manualy make xchat 2.4.4 and install it, i know how to put it on the panel. but not on the menu
[02:12] <|rockinnerd|> Chris_Tucker, right-click on the K menu and select Menu Editor
[02:13] <Chris_Tucker> eh? that easy?
[02:13] <Chris_Tucker> damn i love ubuntu
[02:13] <|rockinnerd|> s/ubuntu/ubuntu with KDE
[02:13] <apokryphos> 8)
[02:13] <|rockinnerd|> and every distros KDE has that built in, ftr
[02:14] <Chris_Tucker> meh, i love ubuntu, i just plain like kde
[02:14] <Chris_Tucker> then again im comeing from red hat, so ...
[02:14] <Chris_Tucker> ive been in the dark
[02:14] <|rockinnerd|> lol
[02:14] <buz> redhat is where the sun doesn't shine
[02:15] <|rockinnerd|> s/slackware/gentoo, suse, fedora, mepis, debian, etc
[02:15] <apokryphos> |rockinnerd|: how did you find mepis?
[02:15] <|rockinnerd|> distrowatch.com
[02:15] <buz> kept breaking for me
[02:15] <Chris_Tucker> brb
[02:15] <apokryphos> |rockinnerd|: no, as in, did you like it/was it good? 
[02:16] <|rockinnerd|> Hotplug didnt always work right on my mouse, (sometimes ubuntu's doesn't work, though.) It was an OK distro, but i got frustrated and then tried (for the 2nd time) Gentoo
[02:16] <dgtl> anyone know if it's possible to change the font size in the text _edit_ window of Kopete? it's really small here and the font size setting only changes the chat window font size
[02:17] <|rockinnerd|> All in all, the install program is extremely easy to use; mepis introduced me to the quicklauncher in KDE
[02:17] <apokryphos> I like the idea of a combined live/install cd
[02:17] <|rockinnerd|> btw its a livecd but you can install it
[02:18] <buz> i think kubuntu 5.10 will be like that too
[02:18] <|rockinnerd|> almost like Knoppix but not as feature-rich
[02:18] <buz> knoppix is useless once installed
[02:18] <buz> keeps breaking
[02:18] <buz> no good reps for it
[02:18] <|rockinnerd|> that's good to know
[02:18] <buz> it's a weird mix of several debian versions altogeher
[02:19] <|rockinnerd|> I find that Knoppix's Livecd is hard to remaster, at least harder than ubuntu's.
[02:19] <|rockinnerd|> the steps are harder than ubuntus
[02:20] <buz> mhh vmware rocks for that ;)
[02:20] <buz> or another machine 
[02:20] <nikkia> buz, you still need disk space :P
[02:20] <buz> not necessarily unpartitioned tho
[02:21] <nikkia> but yes, vmware is great for that kind of thing
[02:21] <nikkia> vmware is also great for writing your own OS :P
[02:21] <|rockinnerd|> FreeBSD let me down because it would detect my mouse but not install it
[02:21] <|rockinnerd|> nikkia, what steps did you follow to write your own OS, and is it linux-based?
[02:22] <nikkia> |rockinnerd|: no, its not, and its not complete, a long way off in fact, as for what steps, there aren't any hard and fast, you just need to know wtf you're doing :)
[02:23] <nikkia> iirc, the source code for it at present is still in the state i left it when i was half way thru writing the scheduler
[02:23] <|rockinnerd|> ah.
[02:23] <nikkia> at the time when i was working on it, it was in fact unique due to one fact :)
[02:24] <nikkia> its written almost entirely in Ada :)
[02:24] <|rockinnerd|> ugh LFS takes WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY too long
[02:24] <nikkia> (there is a 8 line asm loader that sets up enough to bootstrap Ada code)
[02:24] <|rockinnerd|> nikkia, cool
[02:25] <|rockinnerd|> is there any way to download the actual source for APT?
[02:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: you know, this sounds silly, but beep's output via jack sounds cleaner than via alsa or oss directly :)
[02:26] <apokryphos> nikkia: is beep good? I've never properly tried it
[02:26] <nikkia> yeah, its ok
[02:27] <apokryphos> I seem to be having bass problems with my speakers all over again
[02:27] <buz> http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,366172,00.html
[02:27] <buz> wrong window
[02:27] <apokryphos> amaroK's equalizer seems to soften it down a bit but only after doing extreme things with it
[02:27] <buz> anyway, more bombs in london
[02:28] <apokryphos> buz: Not bombs -- only smoke
[02:28] <buz> says a backpack exploded?
[02:28] <apokryphos> there's concerns
[02:28] <nikkia> woo, artsd using jack!
[02:28] <|rockinnerd|> eureka! ive found it! how tin create a distro with APT!
[02:28] <nikkia> buz, erm, thats scary
[02:28] <buz> it wasn't me, so dont blame the messenger
[02:29] <nikkia> buz, one of my co-workers sent me an email last week saying 'stay away from london next thursday, their are more bombs planned according a police friend of mine'
[02:29] <apokryphos> buz: :). Quite sure the's no bombs; news reports just say smoke on three LU stations
[02:29] <nikkia> buz, i just put it down to one of those 'silly things people forward'
[02:29] <buz> mhh
[02:29] <buz> thats interesting to say the least
[02:30] <apokryphos> course; if you saw how security is now around LU stations, I'd hate to imagine how the people there felt :|
[02:30] <buz> its impossible to secure mass public transportation
[02:31] <apokryphos> security is really stepped up; loads of stations have been closed over the past few days because of "suspicious bags", and you can see police at almost every station
[02:31] <nikkia> buz, no, its not impossible to secure it
[02:31] <nikkia> its impossible to secure it AND have it be useful, tho
[02:31] <buz> well you can shut it down completely
[02:31] <buz> and put 10 feet of concrete before any entries
[02:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: putting police on stations is almost pointless, imo
[02:32] <buz> mostly is
[02:32] <nikkia> unless you believe the terrorists wouldn't enjoy taking coppers out with them
[02:32] <|rockinnerd|> "Sources have indicated that gunshots may have been heard on the platform @ warren street" ==> sky news
[02:32] <apokryphos> nikkia: I still think their primary purpose is just to build up public confidence on the tube
[02:32] <buz> well it might give the people the feeling of safety
[02:32] <buz> which is even more important
[02:32] <apokryphos> nikkia: they've got loads of sniffer dogs around the central stations too, apparently. I guess it makes some people feel more safe
[02:33] <nikkia> buz, actually, whenever i see armed police, i generally feel LESS confident, but maybe thats just me
[02:33] <buz> me too
[02:33] <nikkia> out of sight, etc
[02:33] <apokryphos> Not really me
[02:33] <buz> but i'm generally paranoid
[02:33] <apokryphos> if I see a gang of "troublesome youths", and then see policemen across the road, I naturally feel more safe
[02:33] <buz> thats true
[02:34] <|rockinnerd|> 1 bomb has exploded
[02:34] <nikkia> 'woo, 2 chances to be beat up!'
[02:34] <buz> ROTFL
[02:34] <|rockinnerd|> something on a bus too.
[02:34] <apokryphos> brb
[02:34] <nikkia> 'do i take the kicking in the face? or the plastic/steel baton in the gut? mmmm decisions decisions'
[02:34] <buz> bbc is down
[02:35] <buz> must have been too much for their servers to handle
[02:35] <nikkia> bbc is working fine here
[02:35] <|rockinnerd|> buz, try skynews
[02:35] <nikkia> albeit with absolutely no mention of the LU
[02:36] <buz> got no british tv here
[02:36] <buz> and sky.com is reaaaally slow
[02:36] <|rockinnerd|> same
[02:36] <|rockinnerd|> nail bomb went off
[02:36] <nikkia> nail bomb?! hmmm
[02:37] <nikkia> nail bomb isn't very 'islamic extremist'
[02:39] <apokryphos> It's quite speculative at the moment -- it's been under an hour or so since it happened. A lot like before when they were saying "power surge"
[02:40] <apokryphos> a lot of people thinking just detonators. Ambulance service haven't reported any casualties from the train stations... but there could be some from a bus
[02:41] <apokryphos> Police hasn't confirmed any explosions yet, neither
[02:42] <apokryphos> but eek, LU has reported a Code Amber -- stations being evacuated
[02:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: nice to see ITN are doing coverage the cheap way, cycling thru police surveilance cameras
[02:50] <apokryphos> nikkia: heh, only been checking bbc; will check itv now
[02:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: itv is all i can receive on the TV in my office area :)
[02:52] <hussam> anyone knows what a .dbg file is?
[02:52] <apokryphos> nikkia: hah, they're calling for 3G video files from phones
[02:52] <nikkia> think they'd appreciate a 3G vid of my arse ?
[02:52] <apokryphos> the bus in question actually seems to look fine
[02:53] <apokryphos> nikkia: hahaha. I'd give them one if they'd give me the 3g phone 8)
[02:53] <nikkia> i notice vodafone have switched off their GPRS network for some reason
[02:53] <apokryphos> re-heally
[02:53] <nikkia> apokryphos: i have 3G on my t-mobile phone...
[02:53] <nikkia> my vodafone is GPRS only, and showing 100% signal strength, but GSM only
[02:54] <apokryphos> My next phone will be, hopefully. Have a pathetic (but good looking) T630
[02:54] <nikkia> 6630 here
[02:54] <nikkia> wonderful having python on the move :)
[02:54] <nikkia> but a bit of a battery hog
[02:54] <buz> seriously, 3g movies are USELESS
[02:54] <apokryphos> Nice! Used one of those for quite some time; good friend of mine has one
[02:55] <buz> you cant see a thing
[02:55] <apokryphos> a little bulky, but nice, nevertheless.
[02:55] <nikkia> buz, i disagree
[02:55] <buz> 300000pixel is way too little
[02:55] <buz> especially coupled with the lousy optics on todays phones
[02:55] <nikkia> buz, we often use phone cameras for 'industrial esponiage' of a form, 3G phones are a huge step in quality for that
[02:55] <buz> mhh maybe
[02:55] <apokryphos> 6630 is a 1.2 megapixel, isn't it? Not sure if that's the same for the video camera
[02:55] <buz> my p900 probably doesn't qualify as 3g
[02:56] <buz> na
[02:56] <buz> it couldnt hold 1.2mpixel videos
[02:56] <apokryphos> I wanna get the 6680
[02:56] <nikkia> (at trade shows, most exhibitors ban cameras from anywhere near their exhibits, but you can usually get 2-3 minutes on a phone before they realise :)
[02:56] <buz> i want one of them new linux smart phones
[02:56] <nikkia> apokryphos: it only has one camera on the 6630
[02:56] <apokryphos> yah
[02:56] <nikkia> the 'facing you' camera is an optional accessory
[02:56] <buz> i've you're serious about that, way smaller yet better cameras exist
[02:56] <nikkia> but i don't need it, know noone else with 3G anyway :)
[02:57] <apokryphos> It would be nice to have. Are you running a decent deal with that phone?
[02:57] <nikkia> apokryphos: i was, but just went past my 6mo half price offer :/
[02:57] <apokryphos> heh, yeah, they love doing those
[02:57] <nikkia> oh well, at least it means in 6mo i can upgrade to a 6680 or something for free
[02:58] <apokryphos> you've had it for 6 months! 6 months ago you musta been the coolest guy (or gal) in junior high with that one :P
[02:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: if i was in 'junior high' i'd have been looked at suspiciously, i'm 33 :P
[02:58] <apokryphos> Yeah, nice. I'm hoping to go for a cheapish 500 minutes/100 texts
[02:58] <apokryphos> nikkia: couldn't think of a rhyme for anything else =)
[02:59] <apokryphos> a load of phone deals seem to involve the "money-back" deals
[02:59] <apokryphos> Kind wondering why they do that. Is it to steal the interest?
[02:59] <apokryphos> *kind of
[03:00] <nikkia> apokryphos: because the money back is always a bit of a scam
[03:00] <nikkia> i haven't sent mine off, because i can't work out if i'm eligable
[03:00] <apokryphos> why wouldn't you be? Wasn't it part of the deal?
[03:00] <nikkia> 'you are eligable to reclaim your money back offer during months 3-5 of your contract'
[03:00] <apokryphos> :|
[03:00] <nikkia> apokryphos: its always a limited time you can claim the money back
[03:00] <nikkia> and its never 'straight away'
[03:01] <apokryphos> had a few friends that didn't report any problems with the money-back
[03:01] <nikkia> tbh, its too much hassle for 15 or so anyway
[03:01] <apokryphos> Yeah, I guess they could do it so that if you cancel your contract somehow they keep all the mooney
[03:01] <apokryphos> only 15? Heh. Was a lot more for my friends
[03:01] <apokryphos> (as in, around half the money they paid in all)
[03:02] <nikkia> i would have to find the forms that they sent initially, and then find the stickers from t-mobile that were sent seperately, then stick the stickers on the form, and fill them out, then send them *in the right order* etc
[03:02] <apokryphos> fun
[03:02] <nikkia> apokryphos: all i've paid was my contract price...
[03:02] <nikkia> which was the half price promised for the first 6 months anyway
[03:02] <nikkia> the money back is just an incentive from the phone vendor...
[03:03] <nikkia> but given that the major incentive for me, was not paying a penny for the phone :)
[03:03] <apokryphos> heh, yeah
[03:03] <apokryphos> Contract is just infinitely cheaper/better for getting the latest phones out
[03:03] <apokryphos> getting it with PayAsYouGo is really silly, considering the prices
[03:03] <nikkia> apokryphos: i was spending upwards of 20-30 on PAYG anyway
[03:04] <nikkia> (per month)
[03:04] <apokryphos> I'm on easyMobile which is rubbish now after July
[03:04] <Chris_Tucker> i left my dialup at home on so i could ssh in and i forgot to update the dns >.< so now i have to portscan my whole netrange to find my computer via its strange looking ssh port
[03:04] <apokryphos> before that I was getting a decent 2p text/5p per min though
[03:04] <nikkia> and i'd just spent 100 on a reasonably lousy sharp PAYG phone months earlier
[03:04] <apokryphos> have an o2 300-text chip. I use my house phone for almost all calls, generally.
[03:05] <apokryphos> Phones just seem to be getting better a lot quicker these days
[03:05] <nikkia> apokryphos: actually, the reason WHY i moved to contract was a bit weird...
[03:05] <apokryphos> heard Japan had a 7 mp camera :|
[03:06] <buz> samsung got one i think
[03:06] <nikkia> apokryphos: the LCD on my sharp went funny, all white lines down it.... and vodafone refused to exchange it 2 months after buying it...
[03:06] <buz> but i dont see the point
[03:06] <apokryphos> though read an article by a "professional" recently that banished my thoughts of higher megapixel -> better camera
[03:06] <buz> the optics are much too small for that many pixels
[03:06] <nikkia> apokryphos: yet, after using my nokia for 3 months, when i powered the sharp on, the LCD is perfectly clear again
[03:07] <apokryphos> nikkia: it's only gonna be nokias for me for now
[03:07] <apokryphos> no more arrections, er...ericssons
[03:07] <apokryphos> buz: the proof of the pudding would be putting it onto your computer, though
[03:08] <buz> proofing what
[03:08] <apokryphos> and, not having to have a digital camera etc
[03:08] <buz> proving
[03:08] <buz> i dont get it
[03:08] <apokryphos> buz: as in, you don't just want a great phone camera so that it looks cool on your phone
[03:09] <apokryphos> which would have an ultra-small screen in comparison to the potential photo size
[03:09] <buz> yeah
[03:09] <buz> i'd want a camera that serves as a lowend digicam
[03:09] <buz> say canon ixus 200 style
[03:09] <apokryphos> I've got a digi-cam, but it's pretty annoying just because you have to push down half way, wait for a second, then go full way to take any photo
[03:10] <buz> yeah
[03:10] <apokryphos> and if you fail to do it right the photo comes out blurry :| A lot of kodaks are looking cool now
[03:10] <buz> and mine is much too big to carry around all the time
[03:10] <nikkia> buz, a lot of bluetooth phones can do that
[03:10] <apokryphos> soon enough phones/video-cameras/cameras will effectively merge, and be just fine, for the common-user
[03:10] <nikkia> buz, the Imaging profile supports 'grab from camera in background'
[03:10] <buz> huuuh?
[03:10] <nikkia> sadly, there's nothing that uses the Imaging profile on linux :(
[03:11] <edvardas> hello ppl
[03:13] <Mose`> is there any app for amaroK like 'DFX' for Winamp?
[03:13] <nikkia> buz, never mind, i thought you said 'webcam' for some reason *shrug*
[03:13] <buz> i did?
[03:13] <Chris_Tucker> hey i need a hand
[03:13] <nikkia> buz, no, thats why i said 'i thought'
[03:13] <buz> aaaaah
[03:13] <buz> yeah
[03:13] <buz> i wrote digicam
[03:13] <Chris_Tucker> about 50 minutes ago i was here, can someone tell me what my hostname was at that time?
[03:13] <buz> webcams are cheap enough
[03:13] <buz> ROTFL
[03:14] <Chris_Tucker> by looking at the quit message i left?
[03:16] <nikkia> Chris_Tucker: 13:15:51]  Chris_Tucker [ChrisTucke@stjhnf01-22-142163031132.nf.sympatico.ca]  has quit IRC: 
[03:17] <nikkia> i just remembered that sainsburys should be here any minute with my groceries :)
[03:18] <Chris_Tucker> thank you nikkia
[03:18] <apokryphos> gotta love that home-delivery
[03:19] <buz> around here minimum order is 100?
[03:19] <apokryphos> brb again
[03:19] <buz> which is a bit much for my taste
[03:20] <nikkia> no minimum order here, but they waive delivery fees if you go over 70, and have delivery on tue-thur
[03:20] <nikkia> since my order is always at least 70 for a week, that isn't a big deal
[03:20] <buz> well below delivery is like 10?
[03:20] <nikkia> 5.99
[03:20] <buz> but i dont like storing salad and stuff for a whole week
[03:20] <nikkia> altho it varies a little depending on the day/time
[03:33] <hussam> buz: did you try the firefox-qt build again?
[03:33] <buz> nah
[03:33] <buz> have been hacking on ezpublish the whole week now
[03:33] <hussam> buz: I'm still trying to get it to build.
[03:33] <buz> mhh did you find anyone that successfully built it?
[03:34] <hussam> yes, it worked for him in february, but not since then. I'm doing a debug build with possibly everything switched off. I just want see if it will build the stripped down interface.
[03:38] <hussam> what sucks is that it stops right at the end.
[03:46] <Niedakh> does kubuntu have a 2.4 kernel?
[03:48] <ep> Trying to get a 'Debian' menu in KDE so packages I intall will be added to the Kmenu. Any ideas why update-menu is not updating my kmenu?
[04:01] <supernix> I thought the Java environment was free but the Wiki on Ubuntu said it was not included because it is not free that don't make sense to me
[04:02] <supernix> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[04:03] <Chameleon22> howdy all
[04:03] <supernix> helllo
[04:06] <hussam> supernix: non-free means either not freely distributable of non-opensource 
[04:07] <supernix> oic ty
[04:07] <supernix> makes sense now
[04:07] <supernix> You would think that Sun would allow them to just package it with their distro
[04:08] <supernix> hussam: is there a java environment that is included in the packages somewhere ?
[04:10] <hussam> in backports I think,
[04:11] <hussam> add
[04:11] <hussam> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted 
[04:11] <hussam> and 
[04:11] <hussam> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted 
[04:12] <hussam> to /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:25] <mart_> Cache fill:  0.00% (0 bytes)    Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll
[04:25] <mart_> hemm
[04:33] <chromate> hi, i've installed the java plugin but it doesn't show up in firefox... though when i start from console i get this error: "/home/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_nscp.so not found" ... /home/lib is definitely not the correct directory for it to be looking in; i know the file is at /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/lib/i386/ where is this configured?
[04:33] <gianni> hello, does anyone know how i would mount a samba share
[04:34] <hussam> chromate: you must make a symlink to mozilla-firefox/plugins
[04:34] <chromate> hussam: to where?
[04:34] <gianni> ive tried sudo mount -t smbfs -o pasword=PASS //computer/file ~/file
[04:35] <hussam> chromate: where is the plugin currently installed?
[04:35] <chromate> hussam: ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[04:36] <hussam> did you copy it over?
[04:36] <hussam> it won't work if you copy it,
[04:36] <chromate> hussam: yes
[04:36] <chromate> oh
[04:36] <chromate> should i symlink to the plugin then
[04:36] <chromate> or symlink to the plugin directory?
[04:38] <hussam> for example ( in my case ): ln -sf /usr/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so   /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[04:38] <chromate> thanks it works now!
[04:46] <supernix>  hussam after I added those sources what do I look for ?
[04:48] <hussam> supernix: do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[04:49] <Niedakh> does kubuntu have a 2.4 kernel?
[04:50] <hussam> Niedakh: no 2.6.10
[04:50] <Niedakh> hmm
[04:50] <Niedakh> damn
[04:50] <hussam> why isn't 2.6 better?
[04:54] <supernix> ok so this is what I am looking for 
[04:54] <supernix> sun-j2re1.5
[04:54] <supernix> Java(TM) 2 RE, Standard Edition, Sun Microsystems(TM)
[04:54] <supernix> I was not sure if that was the right file or not
[05:11] <jpatrick> Is there a RealPlayer plugin for Opera?
[05:15] <gianni> can't you use the normal one?
[05:16] <jpatrick> what normal one?
[05:16] <gianni> www.real.com/linux
[05:17] <jpatrick> okay
[05:18] <jpatrick> still getting KDE 3.4.1
[05:19] <gianni> eh?
[05:20] <supernix> Yey I have Java now
[05:21] <jpatrick> gianni: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php
[05:22] <gianni> oh right, you mean your still downloading that so you cant download real?
[05:22] <jpatrick> Real just finished :)
[05:22] <gianni> k
[05:24] <hussam> Riddell: are kde 3.4.1 users vulnerable to this? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50720
[05:24] <panfarm> hello
[05:26] <Riddell> hussam: no, 3.4.0 only
[05:26] <hussam> ok thanks
[05:28] <jpatrick> :-/
[05:29] <jpatrick> I sometimes get "404 Not Found [IP: 212.219.56.146 80] " while upgrade
[05:29] <supernix> anyone here using a Compaq with a flat panel LCD screen ?
[05:40] <PurpleBlu> Trying to add printer
[05:41] <PurpleBlu> I have a Lexmark X5150 and I am not seeing that model when trying to add a local printer.
[05:46] <jpatrick> got to go and restart :)
[06:08] <jason> hey
[06:08] <jason> does anybody know how to get the back and forward buttons to work on a logitech MX500 mouse in Konqueror, they work in Firefox
[06:08] <jason> ?
[06:10] <nikkia> afaik, you can't
[06:10] <jason> ouch
[06:10] <jason> k
[06:11] <nikkia> well
[06:11] <nikkia> i think i saw some way to make them appear as key presses...
[06:11] <nikkia> but thats sub-optimal imo
[06:15] <jason> I can't log in to my MSN messenger account using kopete but I can using gaim
[06:17] <nikkia> jason, hmmm
[06:18] <nikkia> i can still connect just fine, are you sure you're typing your password right? :)
[06:19] <seth_k> Kopete's never worked for me with MSN, not since MSN7
[06:20] <nikkia> works fine here *shrug*
[06:24] <jason> yes i am 100 percent sure my password is right
[06:25] <jason> and the strange thing is my brothers works on his machine fine
[06:25] <jason> in kopete
[06:26] <aseigo> jason: what version?
[06:28] <Riddell> seth_k, jason: make sure you have the /version from hoary-updates
[06:31] <nikkia> yeah, the original hoary version was pre-protocol change
[06:37] <othernoob> nikkia, which prog.lang. do you use the most?
[06:38] <nikkia> othernoob: C probably
[06:39] <smux> php is compiled without mysql support ? 
[06:39] <othernoob> so, i assume, if you had to suggest which language i should learn, it'd be C?
[06:39] <nikkia> recently, its been more java tho, and for personal stuff, i prefer to prototype in scheme or python
[06:39] <smux> --without-mysql in my phpinfo();
[06:39] <nikkia> othernoob: no, i'd suggest learning a language where you can get to grips with the concepts of programming easily
[06:39] <nikkia> othernoob: python is a good candidate there, IMO
[06:40] <nikkia> scheme is a reasonably pure CS language, and is great for learning CS concepts, but python is probably easier to learn :)
[06:41] <othernoob> nikkia: what's the diff between python/C
[06:42] <Chris_Tucker> whats the apt-get command package name for glib?
[06:42] <Chris_Tucker> i dont have access to my gui, im ssh;d in
[06:42] <nikkia> othernoob: python is interpreted, C is compiled, python is self-documenting, C isn't, python is mostly english, C can be obscure at times, etc etc
[06:44] <nikkia> othernoob: on the other hand, if there is something you can't do in C, it likely can't be done, and C can be faster than python
[06:44] <Chris_Tucker> whats teh package name in apt-get form for the glib files?
[06:44] <Almindor> how do I select/deselect "services" ?
[06:45] <Almindor> you know like apache etc.
[06:45] <othernoob> nikkia: so python is limited in its capabilities?
[06:45] <aseigo> python is self-documenting?
[06:45] <nikkia> othernoob: in the sense that not everything has bindings for python, the same can be said of most languages though
[06:46] <nikkia> aseigo: yes, witness the help() function
[06:46] <nikkia> aseigo: self-documenting != easy to read, self-documenting is a specific CS term for a language that carries function documentation along with the function
[06:47] <nikkia> lisp and scheme are self-documenting, but they're not particularly easy to read for a newbie
[06:48] <Chris_Tucker> hellooooo? does anyone know the apt-get package name for the glib files?
[06:48] <Almindor> how do I select/deselect "services" ?
[06:49] <othernoob> i'll have 3 months till uni starts again and i'll only study 4-5hours a day during that time, so i have some time for a new language :)
[06:50] <othernoob> Chris_Tucker: libglib2?
[06:51] <Chris_Tucker> Couldn't find package libglib2
[06:53] <othernoob> that was actually a question, not an answer....
[06:53] <othernoob> sort of indicated by that ? ;)
[06:54] <Chris_Tucker> i dont know what its called
[06:54] <ray_> sudo apt-cache search glib
[06:54] <othernoob> but if you want libglib2..then libglib2.0-dev id assume.
[06:54] <Chris_Tucker> why would i search the cache? i havent downloaded it yet cause i dont know what it is
[06:55] <ray_> it will still search the repos
[06:55] <ray_> thats how isearch for stuff
[06:56] <othernoob> if i understood it properly, it searches the cached repos... that's why apt-cache search
[06:56] <ray_> when you run apt-get update it caches ALL packages
[06:56] <ray_> so i knows
[06:56] <ray_> *it
[06:56] <ray_> trust me 
[06:57] <Chris_Tucker> i did it
[06:57] <Chris_Tucker> getting libglibmm-2.4-1, and dev
[06:57] <ray_> ive got a bunch
[06:58] <ray_> libglib2.0-dev
[06:58] <ray_> libglib1.2
[06:58] <Chris_Tucker> i dont need 1.2 or 2.0
[06:58] <Chris_Tucker> i need greater than 2.0.4
[06:58] <Chris_Tucker> er
[06:58] <Chris_Tucker> .3
[06:58] <ray_> ooooooooo
[06:59] <ray_> why do you need that?
[06:59] <Chris_Tucker> installing stuff manually, xchat source is newer than in the repositories and needs that
[07:00] <ray_> oh
[07:00] <ray_> do you have multiverse?
[07:01] <Chris_Tucker> that is...?
[07:01] <ray_> an apt source
[07:01] <ray_> with newer stuff
[07:01] <apokryphos> !repositories
[07:01] <ubotu> I heard repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:01] <Chris_Tucker> i wouldnt know
[07:01] <ray_> did you edit your sources.list
[07:01] <Chris_Tucker> nope
[07:01] <Chris_Tucker> havent needed to
[07:01] <apokryphos> Chris_Tucker: see the link above; it talks you through it.
[07:02] <ray_> thats you problem
[07:02] <Chris_Tucker> i like manually installing larger stuff, right now im stuck on dialup
[07:02] <Chris_Tucker> so when i have to reinstall i dont like having to redownload
[07:02] <ray_> yeah but if you dont even have universe
[07:02] <apokryphos> Chris_Tucker: you seen chris tucker at def comedy jam, btw? One of the greatest stand-ups I've seen
[07:02] <Chris_Tucker> just grab files, and compile
[07:03] <ray_> yeah but you can apt stuff and keep the packages....why compile when you dont have to
[07:04] <Chris_Tucker> point taken
[07:04] <Chris_Tucker> but some stuff doesnt come in .debs
[07:04] <ray_> like what?
[07:04] <apokryphos> and that stuff you can compile, sure. However, there's thousands more packages in the Universe/Multiverse repository
[07:04] <apokryphos> (which you haven't enabled)
[07:05] <Chris_Tucker> i'll enable it when i get home
[07:05] <Chris_Tucker> right now im just installign some stuff
[07:05] <Chris_Tucker> via ssh over that dial connection
[07:05] <ray_> anybody get kde 3.4.1
[07:05] <apokryphos> ray_: yes, there's a repository for it. See /topic
[07:06] <ray_> apokryphos: yeah i added the source...now just apt-get dist-upgrade?
[07:06] <apokryphos> ray_: nah, that'll install other stuff too (though you can choose it if you like). Just sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[07:07] <apokryphos> *apt-get install
[07:07] <apokryphos> heh
[07:07] <ray_> ok
[07:07] <Chris_Tucker> ubpdateing kde requires redownload of kubuntu-desktop?
[07:08] <ray_> no it just installs the new packages
[07:08] <apokryphos> kubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage -- it depends upon other versions of packages and "installing" it pulls them in. Hence, the latest kubuntu-desktop brings in the latest kde packages
[07:08] <buz> any reason why my mplayer can't display movies fullscreen?
[07:08] <buz> just surrounds em with black background when i tr
[07:08] <buz> <
[07:08] <buz> y
[07:09] <ray_> ive never had good luck with mplayer
[07:09] <buz> well it plays some which fail to play on vlc or xine
[07:09] <ray_> really
[07:09] <ray_> hmmm
[07:10] <othernoob> buz. well, and mplayer fails at playing some which vlc and xine play ;)
[07:11] <ray_> shouldi get mplayer-386 -586 custom?
[07:12] <othernoob> heh. that depends on your pc
[07:12] <ray_> well im running the 686 kernel
[07:12] <ray_> so 586?
[07:12] <othernoob> then why don't you get the 686?
[07:13] <ray_> wow didnt see that one lol
[07:13] <ray_> thanks
[07:13] <apokryphos> buz: try changing your video driver in mplayer
[07:13] <Chris_Tucker> when a configure script says GTK not found do i need glade-common, libgtk2.0-0, or libgtk2.0-dev?
[07:13] <buz> to what
[07:14] <apokryphos> buz: try different ones; a normal gl one shoudl probably do it
[07:15] <Chris_Tucker> hope my parents arent home cause right now im tieing up the phone line at the house while im at work :X
[07:16] <othernoob> it's actually more interesting that you're configuring your homepc while you should be working...
[07:16] <buz> gl are slooow when i try to scale
[07:17] <apokryphos> I don't recall any problems with speed with them..
[07:17] <ray_> mozilla-mplayer works great
[07:17] <apokryphos> you could try the others; I think it has quite a few
[07:17] <Chris_Tucker> othernoob, i work at a communit high speed free lancenter ,... and its a small town
[07:17] <Chris_Tucker> so i rarely have a lot of work to do
[07:18] <othernoob> and what is it that you do?
[07:18] <buz> xv works
[07:18] <Chris_Tucker> sit here and help people if they need help Xd
[07:18] <Chris_Tucker> er
[07:18] <Chris_Tucker> XD
[07:18] <Chris_Tucker> no ones here
[07:19] <othernoob> interesting..
[07:20] <Chris_Tucker> i just disconnected the dialup there
[07:20] <Chris_Tucker> i hope they never got home early
[07:20] <ray_> mplayer works great in konqeror but it is choppy in firefox?
[07:23] <ray_> brb gonna reboot
[07:26] <othernoob> nikkia: you use opera, right?
[07:26] <ray_> no big difference between 3.4 and 3.4.1
[07:27] <ecadre> except Konqeror doesn't crash every few minutes in 3.4.1
[07:29] <ray_> it never crashed for me
[07:30] <apokryphos> http://uncyclopedia.org
[07:33] <ray_> a really funny site also is http://www.big-boys.com
[07:34] <apokryphos> haha, just check the article on ol' Gates http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Bill_gates
[07:39] <othernoob> lol, check out the articles on john paul 
[07:41] <apokryphos> Lol. Other great ones are Satan, Bill Clinton, Evolution, United States of Hysteria
[07:41] <Chris_Tucker> http://neorav3r.no-ip.com/users/chris/media/chris_mix_2.mp3
[07:41] <Chris_Tucker> thats the first on the fly mix ive ever done
[07:41] <Chris_Tucker> everything i usually do i do over an hour or so, that took me precisely the length of the song
[07:42] <Chris_Tucker> did it a little earlier today
[07:43] <Chris_Tucker> tell me what you guys think
[07:43] <othernoob> what kind of music?
[07:44] <Chris_Tucker> beat
[07:44] <Chris_Tucker> guess its kind of techy
[07:44] <Chris_Tucker> dunno how to classify it
[07:44] <Chris_Tucker> no speech
[07:44] <othernoob> :/ 
[07:48] <Chris_Tucker> ignore the base .com address on that.. im the webmaster there, but that content aint mine.. the person that owns it is having me change it.. then it wont be so ... screwed up
[07:48] <Chris_Tucker> /users/chris is my stuff
[07:52] <ray_> time for some enemy-territory
[08:04] <ray_> anyone know of a linux golf game?
[08:05] <TestMAD> neverball..it has neverputt
[08:05] <TestMAD> but its like a minigolf thing
[08:05] <TestMAD> not real golf
[08:06] <apokryphos> ray_: kolf
[08:11] <ray_> wow neverball is hard
[08:13] <TestMAD> its fun..i play best when i jam to korn
[08:14] <ray_> is there any sucurity apps  that i should have?
[08:15] <ray_> can koffice save in microsoft .doc format?
[08:16] <ray_> TestMAD: how old are u....just curious
[08:18] <TestMAD> 26
[08:18] <TestMAD> y?
[08:18] <ray_> TestMAD: i just thought you were a young guy
[08:18] <ray_> i was right
[08:19] <ray_> im only 21
[08:19] <TestMAD> 26 aint that young..or atleast it doesnt feel it
[08:19] <Chris_Tucker> heh
[08:20] <TestMAD> how old are you?
[08:20] <_frank> I'm the same age as Britney Spears. I'll be old when she gets old.
[08:20] <ray_> how old i britney
[08:20] <ray_> *is
[08:20] <TestMAD> 24 i think
[08:20] <_frank> I'm 24 but I think she still is 23
[08:20] <TestMAD> ray_:  how old are you?
[08:21] <TestMAD> 50
[08:21] <TestMAD> 40
[08:21] <ray_> TestMAD: 21
[08:21] <TestMAD> 30
[08:21] <TestMAD> heh..im older than you
[08:21] <ray_> yup
[08:21] <TestMAD> you know who weezer is?
[08:21] <ray_> i sure do
[08:21] <TestMAD> the specials?
[08:21] <ray_> bo
[08:21] <ray_> no
[08:21] <Mose`> hello
[08:21] <ray_> hello
[08:21] <TestMAD> hmm..its ska
[08:22] <TestMAD> i love ska
[08:22] <ray_> i like METAL
[08:22] <TestMAD> me too.
[08:22] <TestMAD> the only thing i cant listen to is new country music..and most rap
[08:22] <ray_> yeah same here
[08:23] <TestMAD> the newest country music i like is elvira..lol
[08:23] <Chris_Tucker> whats ska?
[08:23] <Chris_Tucker> my mp3?
[08:23] <TestMAD> ska..
[08:23] <TestMAD> hmm..
[08:23] <_frank> Chris_Tucker: its like punk plus brass
[08:23] <Chris_Tucker> ok _frank
[08:23] <TestMAD> ska is a punk..crossed with raggae.
[08:23] <Chris_Tucker> you sayin weezer is or my mp3 is
[08:23] <Chris_Tucker> ?
[08:23] <TestMAD> well..ska inspired raggae really
[08:23] <TestMAD> neither..
[08:23] <Chris_Tucker> lol
[08:23] <TestMAD> the specials are ska
[08:24] <Chris_Tucker> eh
[08:24] <TestMAD> nofx is considered ska
[08:24] <TestMAD> real big fish
[08:24] <TestMAD> early no doubt
[08:24] <_frank> mighty mighty boss tones
[08:24] <TestMAD> yea.
[08:24] <TestMAD> theres more..lots more..
[08:24] <ray_> kubuntu
[08:24] <TestMAD> but the specials are like the grand pappy's
[08:24] <_frank> I saw nofx, real big fish , mighty mighty boss tones in Vancouver
[08:25] <ray_> SLAYER
[08:25] <TestMAD> mr bungle
[08:25] <TestMAD> hehe
[08:26] <ray_> anybody know when openoffice2.0 is being released?
[08:26] <_frank> ray_: It's in universe
[08:26] <_frank> ray_: well, the beta
[08:27] <ray_> _frank: yeah...i was wondering about the stable release
[08:27] <ray_> _frank: have you tried the beta?
[08:27] <_frank> no
[08:27] <ray_> _frank: do you use openoffice or koffice
[08:28] <_frank> openoffice. But I don't have much need for either recently
[08:29] <_frank> I never tried koffice
[08:29] <ray_> _frank: yup since i graduated no need for either....except to write a resume
[08:29] <_frank> The only thing I use is calc sometimes
[08:31] <TestMAD> this suxs..after installing the w32codecs last nite..flac doesnt work anymore
[08:31] <ray_> what distros did you guys use before ubuntu?
[08:32] <m0ns00n> 1998: Redhat - 2000: Mandrake - 2002: Gentoo - 2005: Knoppix and now Kubuntu
[08:32] <m0ns00n> :-D
[08:32] <ray_> ahh
[08:33] <ray_> gentoo i could never understand the install
[08:33] <TestMAD> this is my first distro
[08:33] <m0ns00n> Just follow the install procedure to the spot
[08:33] <_frank> fedora Core 1 a while back, ubuntu was my third try at a Windows->linux conversion, and it finally worked!
[08:33] <m0ns00n> Hehe
[08:33] <TestMAD> dangit..what is wrong with this crap.
[08:33] <m0ns00n> Why do you need to convert?
[08:33] <m0ns00n> :-)
[08:33] <TestMAD> flac doesnt play anymore..
[08:33] <ray_> rpm based distros i never liked
[08:33] <ray_> i was hooked on debian
[08:34] <m0ns00n> rpm sucks
[08:34] <m0ns00n> Not out of nothing
[08:34] <m0ns00n> But because of ___dependency_nightmares___
[08:34] <m0ns00n> :-D
[08:34] <Mose`> hey, what do you all use for irc on kubuntu?
[08:34] <ray_> but with my new graphics card i needed xorg
[08:34] <m0ns00n> Had it since 1998, when I tried Linux for the first time
[08:34] <_frank> konversation
[08:34] <ray_> konversation
[08:34] <m0ns00n> Mose`: Konversation
[08:34] <m0ns00n> hehe
[08:34] <Mose`> mhm
[08:34] <m0ns00n> I used to use ksirc
[08:34] <m0ns00n> Konversation is nicer.
[08:35] <m0ns00n> Must say, quite a few KDE apps have been replaced by better alternatives
[08:35] <ray_> debian is yet to use xorg
[08:35] <Mose`> how about xchat? is it good?
[08:35] <m0ns00n> Although I miss the simplicity of noatun.
[08:35] <m0ns00n> (I know it's still there)
[08:35] <_frank> they are making the transition to xorg now I think
[08:35] <m0ns00n> Mose`: XChat is ok. 
[08:35] <ray_> i liked noatun
[08:35] <m0ns00n> Mose`: But it's GTK
[08:35] <Mose`> mhm
[08:36] <m0ns00n> Mose`: XChat is like AmIRC on Amiga and MorphOS if you've ever tried it.
[08:36] <ray_> _frank: yeah but with debian it might not be for a while lol
[08:37] <_frank> ray_: well the debian leader guy really wants to shorten the time between releases
[08:37] <ray_> _frank: i hope i really liked debain
[08:37] <ray_> _frank: i mean ubuntu is kindove debian but...
[08:37] <_frank> I just hope that ubuntu doesn't stray too far off debian.
[08:38] <ray_> yeah
[08:38] <_frank> I wonder if ubuntu will help or hurt debian
[08:38] <ray_> right now  its hurting....but ubuntu is a great os
[08:40] <TestMAD> this sux..my kaffeine is all messed up
[08:40] <_frank> ray_: ubuntu does help debian upstream. apparently the debian xorg has alot of the work done by ubuntu in it
[08:40] <ray_> yeah thats true
[08:41] <ray_> i would still be using debian if i could get 3d acceleration
[08:41] <ray_> but i do like kubuntu alot
[08:42] <Heart_> where can i find a log from the boot?
[08:43] <crimsun> Heart_, /var/log/dmesg
[08:43] <verwilst> i wish kubuntu's roadmap/inner workings were more open and transparant
[08:43] <verwilst> like changelogs, nice insights into the repo's changes, ..
[08:43] <verwilst> ok, those 2 mean the same thing, but hey :p
[08:44] <Heart_> crimsun: hmm, on boot screen i had [failed]  on one line but i can't see this status in dmesg!?
[08:44] <Chris_Tucker> i have an odd q to ask.. how do you pronounce this anyway? is it ku buntu or k u buntu
[08:44] <Chris_Tucker> ?
[08:44] <jpatrick> koo-bun-too
[08:45] <ray_> yeah thats how i say it
[08:45] <Chris_Tucker> heh ive been saying k u-buntu
[08:45] <_frank> I say koo-boon-too
[08:45] <gianni> me too
[08:45] <crimsun> well, it's oo-boon-too
[08:45] <crimsun> so it'd be koo-boon-too
[08:46] <ray_> yeah thats hard for me to say for some reason
[08:46] <Chris_Tucker> odd
[08:46] <Chris_Tucker> same here
[08:46] <Chris_Tucker> i like k u bun too
[08:47] <jpatrick> not african enough
[08:47] <_frank> I always wonder how to say daemon.  deemon or daymon?
[08:47] <ray_> anybody know of any good games?
[08:47] <Chris_Tucker> i say that daymon
[08:47] <ray_> daymon
[08:48] <gianni> although deemon sounds cooler
[08:49] <ray_> i never knew that gnu was ga-new
[08:49] <ray_> or
[08:49] <ray_> gnome was just nome
[08:49] <_frank> i didn't know that
[08:49] <Chris_Tucker> i knew gnome but not ga-new
[08:50] <Chris_Tucker> i spelt that one .. g.n.u.
[08:50] <ray_> well thats how it is spelled
[08:50] <gianni> gnome is always prononced nome, as in garden gnome
[08:50] <gianni> ?
[08:50] <TestMAD> well..time for a reinstall
[08:50] <TestMAD> my kaffeine is too messed up
[08:50] <ray_> yeah but i always thought of the human g-nome project
[08:51] <ray_> why use kaffine
[08:51] <TestMAD> im gonna need some help when i get back..cus ill be stuck in console.
[08:51] <gianni> suppose, but thats genome
[08:51] <ray_> is it
[08:51] <ray_> lol
[08:51] <TestMAD> brb,
[08:51] <ray_> shows how much i know
[08:52] <Chris_Tucker> lol
[08:52] <gianni> lol
[08:52] <ray_> TestMAD is lost...... he has reinstalled every day
[08:52] <_frank> heh
[08:52] <Chris_Tucker> and i use kaffine, amaroK seems to like to crash on me
[08:53] <Chris_Tucker> hm theres a thunderstorm movin in outside
[08:53] <_frank> I'm just glad I don't use amd64 anymore. Almost all the KDE media players would constantly crash
[08:53] <Chris_Tucker> bleh
[08:53] <ray_> really   what do you use now?
[08:54] <Chris_Tucker> thanks, now im reconsidering my new rig.. i WAS gonna go a64...
[08:54] <_frank> I just use the i386 version on my athlon64
[08:54] <ray_> oic
[08:55] <ray_> does anybody know how i can print to my xp computer upstairs?
[08:55] <ray_> well the printer attached to it
[08:55] <gianni> use samba
[08:55] <Mose`> does amaroK support a plugin like winamps DFX ?
[08:55] <ray_> samba yes but i still dont know how....
[08:56] <ray_> is there a gui to samba?
[08:56] <gianni> theres a few
[08:56] <uniq> mose`: you use cups, and the printer manager in the control center.
[08:56] <Mose`> mhm?
[08:56] <ray_> it was so easy to do using gnome and i cant figure it out in kde
[08:56] <uniq> mose`: control center - peripherals - printers
[08:57] <uniq> ops.. i'm talking to the wrong guy.
[08:57] <Mose`> :}}
[08:57] <uniq> i mean ray :)
[08:57] <ray_> its ok i saw it lol
[08:57] <ray_> so should i apt-get samba?
[08:57] <Chris_Tucker> there is in redhat so theres gotta be a way in others
[08:57] <uniq> no need.
[08:57] <uniq> cups should do it all.
[08:58] <Mose`> what is samba?
[08:58] <Chris_Tucker> windows fileshareing by linux
[08:59] <Mose`> mhm, thnx for expalantion
[08:59] <Mose`> *explanation
[08:59] <ray_> so in control center add a smb sahred printer?
[08:59] <Chris_Tucker> erm he said cups should be able to do it
[08:59] <Chris_Tucker> instead of smb
[09:00] <Chris_Tucker> lol
[09:00] <gianni> i would think you would add a smb printer under cups thoug? just guessing
[09:00] <ray_> umm
[09:00] <gianni> my printer broke along time ago :(
[09:01] <Chris_Tucker> dunno, i do know that when i started samba back on redhat, printers appeared in the share with the files
[09:01] <Chris_Tucker> i never tried sharing one though
[09:01] <ray_> it worked great using gnome
[09:01] <gianni> try an smb printer
[09:01] <uniq> ray_: you add a smb printer in cups, yes.
[09:01] <gianni> if it dosnt work you can always try cups
[09:01] <gianni> ok, nm
[09:02] <ray_> uniq: in cups?
[09:02] <ray_> not control  center
[09:02] <uniq> in the control center.
[09:02] <ray_> no option for cups
[09:02] <uniq> the module in the control center is configuring cups for you.
[09:02] <uniq> nevermind cups, it's in the control center :)
[09:03] <ray_> should i log in as anonymous geaut or normal account?
[09:03] <uniq> ray_: depends on you windows configuration.
[09:04] <ray_> uniq: well there is no password up there so anonymous should work
[09:05] <ray_> what should i type for server the computer upstairs ip or its name?
[09:06] <uniq> ray_: ip is best i think.
[09:06] <gianni> unless you use dhcp
[09:07] <ray_> well i do use dhcp
[09:08] <uniq> so the XP box does not have a static ip to your network? 
[09:08] <ray_> well when i do an ipconfig on the xp box it gives me an ip address
[09:09] <gianni> but does it change?
[09:09] <ray_> it might lol i only did it once
[09:10] <gianni> i dont think there's any problem in using computer name (disclaimer: i could be completly wrong)
[09:10] <gianni> or you could just set your dhcp server to alocate the same ip address to that machine evry time
[09:10] <ray_> ive tried all this before with no sucsess
[09:11] <ray_> and the thing that sucks is how easy it was in gnome
[09:14] <testmad> back
[09:14] <ray_> i can ping the xp box
[09:15] <gianni> in gnome did you use computer name?
[09:15] <ray_> nope ip...... but i tried ip already with no sucsess
[09:16] <gianni> have you done anything difrently this time?
[09:17] <Heart_> hm, whats wrong when i try to burn with k3b -> http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/757/k3b4no.jpg
[09:17] <testmad> ok..what do i need to add to my sources.list to get the k7 stuff
[09:19] <_frank> you mean the kernel?
[09:20] <testmad> yea.
[09:20] <testmad> nothing right..
[09:20] <_frank> no
[09:20] <testmad> just uncomment the lines and i should be able to apt-get?
[09:20] <_frank> yep
[09:20] <testmad> k..hold on a sec..cus after this.then i upgrade the kde.
[09:20] <_frank> Heart_: I never tried to burn a vcd. I have no idea
[09:21] <_frank> testmad: it winds up tidier if you just install kubuntu
[09:21] <testmad> i did install kubuntu
[09:21] <_frank> oh you said UPGRADE the KDE
[09:22] <testmad> im upgrading to the k7 kernel..and to kde3.4.1
[09:22] <testmad> right
[09:22] <_frank> yeah
[09:22] <testmad> k..all i need for the k7 is the image and the restricted modules right?
[09:22] <_frank> yeah
[09:23] <testmad> k..upgrading image right now
[09:25] <testmad> modules now
[09:25] <Mose`> is there any theme (or skin) for amaroK like mini controller?
[09:26] <testmad> _frank: what do i add to sources to upgrade to kde341?
[09:27] <ray_> hold on ican getthem for u 
[09:27] <testmad> k
[09:27] <testmad> thnx
[09:28] <ricosuave17> how do i get java plz
[09:28] <apokryphos> !java
[09:28] <ubotu> java is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[09:30] <ricosuave17> i use opera
[09:30] <ray_> testmad: deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main
[09:30] <testmad> k..thn
[09:30] <ray_> deb ftp://bolugftp.uni-bonn.de/pub/kde/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu hoary-updates main
[09:30] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: irrelevant
[09:30] <ray_> wait
[09:30] <ricosuave17> i use ubuntu
[09:30] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: yeah, we figured
[09:30] <ray_> to big to paste testmad
[09:31] <ricosuave17> use pastebin?
[09:31] <testmad> all i need is the first one
[09:31] <ray_> ive never got java to work in opera
[09:31] <testmad> i type it in by hand..i dunno how to block copy in irssi
[09:32] <Mose`> how to install kde 3.4.1 ?
[09:32] <ray_> ricosuave17: you have to add the backports repo then apt-get sunJ2sdk1.5
[09:33] <ricosuave17> ok i did its working ok 
[09:33] <jpatrick> Mose`: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php
[09:33] <sotyri> For share folder from Windows into linux, with a LAN network, i have to use Samba?
[09:33] <Mose`> i should put all those debs in my sources.list?
[09:34] <doddo> hello there seems to be something wrong with my /etc/fstab and i dont know what, can someone pleas help me?
[09:34] <Panzerboy> sotyri: no
[09:34] <testmad> ok..added to sources..now just apt-get update the nupgrade right?
[09:35] <sotyri> Panzerboy: and what?
[09:35] <Panzerboy> sotyri: mount -t smbfs
[09:35] <sotyri> Oanzerboy: well is a command of samba, if i'm not wrong.
[09:35] <Panzerboy> sotyri: no
[09:35] <Panzerboy> sotyri: smbfs is a filesystem
[09:36] <Panzerboy> sotyri: it comes with the kernel afaik
[09:36] <Mose`> i have copied all debs from http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php to my sources list, upgraded, but my kde is still 3.4.0 :/ what to do?
[09:36] <sotyri> Panzerboy: ok thanks.
[09:36] <gianni> i had to apt-get  smbfs
[09:36] <uniq> mose`: you did do apt-get update first? and then apt-get -u dist-upgrade? 
[09:36] <_frank> Mose`: update, then upgrade
[09:37] <Mose`> mhm, i'll try again..
[09:37] <testmad> _frank: cant you just do apt-get update..then apt-get upgrade?
[09:37] <testmad> no -u dist-upgrade.
[09:37] <uniq> doddo: what's the problem with your fstab? 
[09:37] <_frank> testmad: I think upgrade is enough
[09:38] <uniq> testmad: yes you can, upgrade will upgrade the currently installed packages only. dist-upgrade will install new packages if there are new depends and such. splitted packages etc.
[09:39] <doddo> uniq: it says "no final newline at the end of fstab" or something like that
[09:39] <testmad> uniq: so after i finish this upgrade..shoudl i run it again with -u dist-upgrade?
[09:40] <uniq> doddo: ok, did you edit the file? 
[09:40] <doddo> uniq: yes i tried to add a partition
[09:41] <Mose`> mhm, i did update and then upgrade, but nothing changed, it's the same 3.4.0
[09:41] <uniq> doddo: ok, add a final new line then. edit it, and add a new empty line at the bottom.
[09:41] <uniq> mose`: on the update, did it download anything from kubuntu.org ? 
[09:41] <testmad> Mose`: did you reboot kde?
[09:41] <Mose`> how?
[09:41] <ricosuave17> seems that my java only half works
[09:41] <testmad> ctrl+alt+backspace
[09:41] <ray_> why
[09:41] <ray_> rico?
[09:41] <Mose`> wait a minute...
[09:42] <doddo> uniq: and that should do the trick? what should it say?
[09:42] <uniq> doddo: what should what say? 
[09:42] <doddo> uniq: should i just add a blank line or what?
[09:42] <uniq> doddo: yes, a blank line would do i guess.
[09:43] <doddo> uniq: thanks a lot! i'll try that =)
[09:44] <Mose`> no result, same 3.4.0 after restarting
[09:44] <jpatrick> weird
[09:44] <testmad> hmm..i dunno..cus i started my upgrade before you..and its still going
[09:44] <uniq> mose`: did it actually download anything from kubuntu.org? 
[09:44] <jpatrick> I upgraded today
[09:44] <Mose`> uniq: i think no
[09:45] <jpatrick> the kubuntu.org one is broken
[09:45] <uniq> broken how? 
[09:45] <jpatrick> It gave me 404 for most things it tried to upgrade
[09:45] <uniq> hum.
[09:45] <testmad> its werkin for me] 
[09:46] <jpatrick> :-/
[09:46] <testmad> n/m
[09:46] <testmad> its not
[09:46] <testmad> my upgrade just crashed.
[09:47] <sotyri> so, how i can share windows's file ?
[09:49] <Mose`> bye to all
[09:53] <testmad> reboot
[09:58] <ray_> u all set test
[09:58] <ray_> how many time u gonna reinstall?
[09:58] <ray_> lol
[09:59] <testmad> hehe
[09:59] <testmad> im all set
[10:00] <testmad> im getting to the point to where i almost no how to do a install and upgrade..then drivers by heart.
[10:02] <testmad> sweet..nothing on my install list says upgradeable
[10:02] <testmad> i still need to add backports to my source list tho
[10:02] <testmad> ray_: you got that by chance?
[10:03] <testmad> !backports
[10:03] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, backports is at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org
[10:03] <testmad> n/m
[10:04] <testmad> that obotu thing is really usefull
[10:05] <insanekane> testmad: obotu ?
[10:05] <testmad> ubotu
[10:06] <insanekane> hehe ok
[10:06] <testmad> bot that shows links to forums and docs that can help answer questions for problems
[10:06] <testmad> now..to redo my desktop again
[10:07] <_frank> testmad: if you reinstall often. make a separate /home partition. Your settings and document will survive that way
[10:08] <testmad> ehh..im just gonna ghost it
[10:15] <ricosuave17> i need the plugins for mpeg for totem. i have the codecs already
[10:17] <ray_> test
[10:17] <ray_> i have them
[10:17] <ricosuave17> what?
[10:20] <ricosuave17> anyone here
[10:21] <testmad> reboot
[10:21] <supernix> Hiya guys
[10:21] <ricosuave17> hey super
[10:21] <supernix> anyone know how I can setup a caching only name server?
[10:22] <supernix> I have not done anything like that in so long and I see there are lots more choices as well for a DNS server than what I had before 
[10:22] <supernix> Before on Linux I only saw BIND in the old days but now I see many more servers
[10:23] <ricosuave17> supernix:  what program u use to play videos?
[10:23] <supernix> what type of videos ?
[10:23] <supernix> As I recall I have used Kaffiene and Amorak
[10:24] <ricosuave17> amarok doesnt play videos
[10:24] <supernix> what type of videos ?
[10:28] <ricosuave17> mpg
[10:29] <ricosuave17> ok kaffeine is looking cool
[10:29] <ricosuave17> how do i make it fullscreen?
[10:34] <testmad> where is the codecs dir?
[10:37] <supernix> ok ricosuave17 to make it full screen just double click the image
[10:37] <ricosuave17> thanks it worked
[10:38] <testmad> wheres the codecs dir?
[10:51] <testmad> ok..this sux..i add the dvd and w3s codec stuff..and now flac wont play in kaffeine anymore
[10:52] <testmad> but it was before i added those codecs..
[10:52] <testmad> whats the deal?
[10:54] <_frank> what is flac?
[10:54] <testmad> free lossless audio codec
[10:55] <testmad> but amoroK will play them
[10:55] <testmad> guess ill just change the file assoc.
[10:56] <testmad> how do i change them?
[10:56] <_frank> right click properties
[10:58] <testmad> and how do i change the fade in and out stuff in amorok?
[10:59] <_frank> somewhere in the amarok options?
[10:59] <testmad> found it
[10:59] <testmad> bech rulz
[10:59] <testmad> beck
[11:03] <A[D] minS> hello ppl
[11:03] <A[D] minS> how i can disable artsd cause i want to ues Alsa only ?
[11:04] <A[D] minS> !artsd
[11:04] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, A[D] minS
[11:05] <aseigo> A[D] minS: in the control panels, sound & multimedia, sound system, turn it off
[11:07] <A[D] minS> artsd,  it is very confusing to when programs just stop producing sound. 
[11:08] <testmad> reboot
[11:13] <testmad> almost back to normal
[11:15] <testmad> i ove this movie..trading places roks
[11:19] <testmad> anyone got info on enableing DMA on dvdroms?
[11:19] <_frank> edit /etc/hdparm.conf
[11:20] <testmad> k..thnx
[11:21] <_frank> sudo /etc/init.d/hdparm restart to activate the changes
[11:21] <testmad> y is it that when im playing a dvd..everything is really slow?
[11:22] <_frank> maybe because of dma
[11:22] <testmad> i mean the system is slow
[11:23] <_frank> did you try with dma enabled?
[11:24] <testmad> no..
[11:24] <testmad> i just add one of those  right?
[11:24] <testmad> the hdc one?
[11:24] <testmad> thats where my dvdrm is
[11:24] <_frank> hdc is secondary master
[11:24] <_frank> yeah
[11:24] <testmad> i got hda hdb hdc and hdd
[11:25] <testmad> c is the rom
[11:25] <testmad> the rest are all drives
[11:25] <_frank> ok
[11:25] <testmad> does it matter where i add that?
[11:26] <_frank> in hdparm.conf ? doesn't matter
[11:26] <testmad> uh oh
[11:27] <testmad> * Setting disc parameters...
[11:27] <testmad>  * Unknown separator !
[11:27] <_frank> testmad: do you have the right {}
[11:28] <testmad> i copied exactly what you typed
[11:29] <_frank> then it should work
[11:31] <testmad> said unknown separator..but says [ok]  at the end of it
[11:31] <testmad> ok..got it
[11:31] <testmad> i copied it..and it had spaces..
[11:32] <testmad> it didnt like them..so i just tabbed it instead and it werked..
[11:32] <testmad> kinda picky isnt it.
[11:32] <othernoob> testmad: you can check whether it's enabled or not with hdparm -v /dev/hdc
[11:33] <testmad> yep..awesone thnx frank
[11:33] <testmad> gotta go eat now.
[11:33] <_frank> np
[11:33] <pax> what's up frank the tank :)
[11:34] <_frank> not much
[11:34] <pax> enjoying le festival de montreal?
[11:35] <_frank> jazz fest is over but it was fun.
[11:35] <_frank> when did I tell you I lived in Mtl?
[11:36] <pax> you never did
[11:37] <_frank> frank@Toronto-HSE-ppp3778874.sympatico.ca
[11:37] <_frank> how did you know?
[11:37] <pax> I smell montreal lovers :p
[11:38] <supernix> does anyone here run a dns server ?
[11:38] <_frank> still don't know how you figured it out. 
[11:45] <MidnightDevil> heya
[11:45] <MidnightDevil> can someone hand me a updated apt sources list?
[11:49] <_frank> I can give you mine...
[11:49] <MidnightDevil> id thank you :)
[11:49] <MidnightDevil> is it updated?
[11:49] <_frank> yeah
[11:51] <_frank> MidnightDevil: you're not accepting it
[11:55] <MidnightDevil> _frank,  can u past it on my pvt?
[11:56] <_frank> ok
[11:59] <testmad> what can i use to mask my ip?
[12:00] <testmad> or my hostmask?
[12:01] <Entonian> I'm using the Kubuntu AMD64 DVD. But the KMenu lists only the programs in the AMD64 CD version. Am I missing something?
[12:01] <seth_k> Entonian, the differences between the CD and DVD are so:
[12:02] <seth_k> * DVD includes Live and Install on one disc
[12:02] <seth_k> * DVD includes all of main on the disc
[12:02] <seth_k> but the installs are just the same. You just won't have to download anything from main you want to install
[12:02] <seth_k> since it's already on the DVD
[12:02] <mart> cool
[12:03] <Entonian> I'm running live. So I need to use the command line for anything that's extra on the DVD?