=== ralph1 [~ralph1@66-214-31-61.lb-cres.charterpipeline.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:03] Entonian, no, it's not even installed. You'd have to use Kynaptic or apt-get to install it off the DVD first [12:04] seth_k: Okay. Thank you. === A[D] minS [~Whisky@196.204.152.125] has joined #Kubuntu [12:04] seth_k: Hi [12:05] hi ralph1 [12:05] what package do you need today? ;) j/k [12:05] seth_k: I would have bumbled around a long time without that piece of information. [12:06] seth_k: I have had a request from the developer on Kmymoney2. Asking me to share file with project. Do you have any problems with that? [12:06] ralph1, the deb file? [12:06] Yes [12:07] sure, no problems [12:07] if he puts attribution, my site is http://sethkinast.com :P [12:09] nice stuf there === troglodyt [~user@204-101-205-72.anikast.net] has joined #kubuntu === pobstil [~luke@203-173-149-108.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #kubuntu === pobstil [~luke@203-173-149-108.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [12:14] seth_k: I will inform him, of that. Thanks. [12:14] i like this === laser_tk [~laser@a84-230-146-184.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #kubuntu [12:14] ralph1, cheers for letting me know, it's kinda cool for me :) [12:15] _frank: that dma thing fixed the lagg with the system [12:15] seth_k: do you offer enthusiast parts from your shop? === troglodyt [~user@204-101-205-72.anikast.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:16] im an overclocker..and am considering a peltier colling system === hettar [~hettar@ppp105-180.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:17] testmad, no, I don't sell parts; just do repairs and stock the parts I need for things like that [12:17] oh..k [12:17] peltier sounds amazing though [12:17] the peltier setup im looking into is around 500$..lookin for a cheap hookup [12:17] hehe [12:17] I want pics if you get it up [12:17] k [12:17] can do. [12:18] for 500$ you can buy vapochill equipment no? [12:18] im also planning on going to just using a plain dual loop water cooled setup on this pc [12:18] been keepin my eye on those u2-ufo cases. [12:18] ever seen one of those? [12:18] its friggen huge [12:19] great for warecooling [12:20] seth_k: Most of computing needs are meet by the standard Kubuntu distro, but a few programs I needed updated, I am very thankful for you meeting my needs, that is way cool to me, In the case of Kmymoney I offered to share privately with others who needed taking care not to mention you by name so that you are not bothered with support requests etc. (not abused). [12:20] here's a link to it.. [12:20] http://mountainmods.com/product_info.php?products_id=94 === heulSuSE [~volker@i3ED6C626.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu [12:20] ralph1, feel free to share it with whomever, that's what the spirit of ubuntu is all about [12:21] hey outpost are selling 80GB HItachi HDs for $25 [12:21] yum [12:21] shipped! [12:21] pax: online shop? [12:21] seth_k: thanks for letting me share [12:21] is that with a mail in rebate? [12:22] othernoob: yes [12:22] pax: worldwide? [12:22] I dont know about worldwide, check it out [12:22] pax: link? [12:22] http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4322615?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG [12:23] its a mailin rebate.. [12:23] 6-8 weeks to get your moneyback [12:23] ill pass [12:24] still good deal testmad :) [12:24] want a place for hd's..go here [12:24] http://www.driveguys.com/Dynamic/index.asp?CartId=6931957PMWY-ACCWARE-U635 [12:25] I dont see 80GB retail for $25 there :) [12:26] yea..but..in my experience..if you mess up that rebate form just a little bit..you wont get your money back [12:27] just be careful and double check it before you send it out [12:28] testmad: I never had a single rebate, not even with CompUSA. If you get lazy and dont send the rebate then it's nobody's fault [12:28] problem* === aseigo [~aseigo@aseigo.kde] has joined #kubuntu === seth_k uses http://rebates.sethkinast.com to keep track ;) [12:29] how do i edit the sysinfo..or add to it..or change it? [12:30] the sysinfo in konversation [12:30] sysinfo? [12:30] the version string? [12:30] System Information for [ debuntu ] [12:30] OS/Kernel Linux 2.6.10-5-386 [12:30] CPU Info AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2700+ 2166.530 Mhz 4292.60 Bogomips [12:30] HD Info 0GB total storage capacity [12:30] Memory 282.848/885.41MB [12:30] Processes 90 [12:30] yea [12:30] System Information for [ buz ] [12:30] OS/Kernel Linux 2.6.10-5-386 [12:30] CPU Info AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+ 1832.338 Mhz 3629.05 Bogomips [12:30] HD Info 0GB total storage capacity [12:30] Uptime 2 days [12:30] Memory 288.277/473.016MB [12:30] Processes 90 [12:30] Uptime 15:16 [12:30] System Information for [ ubuntu ] [12:30] OS/Kernel Linux 2.6.10-5-k7 [12:30] CPU Info AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+ 2411.263 Mhz 4767.74 Bogomips [12:30] HD Info 0GB total storage capacity [12:30] Memory 134.547/504.246MB [12:30] Processes 80 [12:30] Uptime 1:21 [12:30] ROTFL i got no storage at all [12:30] me either [12:31] my computer sucks compared to you people's :P [12:31] heh [12:31] System Information for [ erebus ] [12:31] OS/Kernel Linux 2.6.10-5-k7 [12:31] CPU Info AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2000+ 1666.562 Mhz 3301.37 Bogomips [12:31] HD Info 0GB total storage capacity [12:31] Memory 258.391/631.254MB [12:31] anyone know how to add to it or change it [12:31] Processes 120 [12:31] Uptime 47 min [12:31] buz got a good box [12:32] I mean testmad [12:32] yeah, it would make it easier to to these builds [12:32] yea..i do got a good one..its not OC'ed yet either === seth_k is building kMyMoney2 0.7.4 for Breezy, and kMobileTools .0.4.3.1 for Breezy [12:32] not good nuff cooling in it yet [12:32] you need some ram [12:32] nah [12:33] i just need my ram at 250Mhz..not 200 [12:33] i'll buy my next box probably next fall [12:33] I don't need anything better yet [12:33] ive gotton this box up to 2.6 Ghz on stock air [12:33] was gonna goto water to get higher. [12:34] testmad: see that chip ubuntu says 2700+ it's really just a 2100+ runing at 2.17G [12:34] and in january..prolyl gonan go for the fx-59 2 7800gt's and 4GB ram.. [12:34] and peltier setup [12:34] jiminy [12:34] that's a lot of box [12:34] thats awesome pax [12:35] yea.too much box. [12:35] yeah this chip is wonderful man, ancient but worth every penny [12:35] but i suffer from tim taylor syndrome.. [12:35] more power..GRUNT GRUNT GRUNT.. [12:35] I don't get it i have Jave installed but can't get it working in Yahoo games [12:36] seth_k: did you check out that link for the u2 ufo case? [12:36] its 18x18x18in [12:36] bid friggen box [12:36] perfect for 1/2 OD [12:37] not only is my next system gonna be beefy..but so is the cooling setup [12:37] if im gonna push it to the max..im gonna need it [12:37] System Information for [ PC1 ] [12:37] OS/Kernel Linux 2.6.10-5-686 [12:37] CPU Info Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz 2800.837 Mhz 5554.17 Bogomips [12:37] HD Info 0GB total storage capacity [12:37] Memory 247.031/504.262MB [12:37] Processes 107 [12:37] Uptime 8 days [12:37] :D [12:38] I don't get why my sysinfo says 0GB for hd space [12:38] my amd will still spank yer p4 [12:38] only if you overclock it like mad [12:38] nah [12:38] dont even need to touch the cpu [12:38] My p4 will outlast any AMD [12:38] just the ram [12:39] not with how hot that sucker gets [12:39] amd is hotter than a p4 [12:39] nope.. [12:39] that is what they have always been know for [12:39] what u run..bout 110-130 watt? [12:39] im running 90 [12:39] my system only runs 120F [12:40] Not sure on how many watts is used [12:40] big factor in cpu longevity [12:41] heat causes breakdown [12:41] more heat less life more resistance [12:41] i know [12:41] basic electricity [12:42] brb..gotta check this out.. === claydoh [~claydoh@65.99.186.109] has joined #kubuntu === apokryphos7 [~dw@host-84-9-33-14.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu === testmad [~testmad@pool-141-153-72-252.clrk.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:49] lets see what this says now [12:49] System Information for [ ubuntu ] [12:49] OS/Kernel Linux 2.6.10-5-k7 [12:49] CPU Info AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+ 2507.393 Mhz 4964.35 Bogomips [12:49] HD Info 0GB total storage capacity [12:49] Memory 84.6602/504.246MB [12:49] Processes 75 [12:50] Uptime 2 min [12:50] nah, amd venice runs cooler than any intel. infact, amd's cofuc now is only speed but also heat [12:50] focus* === grimse [~grimse@p5481CEF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:51] i wish it showed more info about ram [12:52] running 250mhz 2.5 4 4 6 [12:52] and thats nice [12:52] cat /proc/meminfo === FvM [~FvM@p54A7624F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === FvM [~FvM@p54A7624F.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu ["Verlassend"] [12:53] well..im out..gotta go over to xp fr a bit [12:54] bye [12:54] bogomips is where it is at === ztonzy [uhm@ztonzy.artist.blender] has joined #kubuntu [12:59] hey [12:59] apokryphos7, hey...? === apok [~dw@host-84-9-109-181.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:00] System Information for [ muddevel ] [01:00] OS/Kernel Linux 2.6.10-5-386 [01:00] CPU Info Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.40GHz 2394.725 Mhz 4734.97 Bogomips [01:00] HD Info 0GB total storage capacity [01:00] Memory 151.301/496.336MB [01:00] Processes 94 [01:00] Uptime 1 day [01:00] Hhmm. Meh. [01:01] apok, problems today? [01:01] why does it say 0GB ? [01:02] bug in sysinfo [01:02] let's go ahead and cut down the sysinfo spam now :) === laser_tk [~laser@a84-230-146-184.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #kubuntu [01:03] good idea :D === chase [~Chase@stuartma.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu [01:06] seth_k: Do you know if Kubuntu comes with the Berkely Database? === crimsun [~crimsun@rchp4.rochester.ibm.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:09] ralph1, I don't believe so, no [01:09] ralph1, there are many libraries to interface with it, like libdb4.1 === Teknoenie [~jamesp@S01060013100d9b82.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:09] hi all [01:11] hi Teknoenie === supernix [~steve@68-189-171-230.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:13] WASUP [01:13] seth_k: Was just wondering, because Gramps 2.0.5 uses the Berkely Database to store it's database, but will fall back to it's older XML stuff. I thought the Berkely Database came with most distros. [01:14] seth_k: Is the Berkely Database system available some where in the system? [01:17] No, there are no packages for it afaik [01:17] it's not in Debian either from what I can see [01:17] how do you find something that is broken in synaptic ? [01:17] seth_k, do you mean libdb*? [01:18] crimsun, is that the whole of the berkeley db? I mentioned that about 8 minutes up, but wasn't sure if that was berkeley db or just libraries to interface with it [01:19] seth, umm, that's all there is to it [01:19] seth_k: Do not know what I mean, lack of knowledge here. I think I will ask questions on Gramps mailing list. One of the Developers there is involved with Debian and keeps it up dote with latest packages. [01:20] ralph1, according to nikkia libdb4.1 is what you want, I think [01:20] seth_k: actually, berkely database is the db<#> and libdb<#> packages [01:20] cheers The_Vox [01:20] there's also db4.1-utils, but yeah, it's definitely there [01:21] 4.1-4.3 are there [01:22] actually, from 2 to 4.3 every version is there [01:22] yeah, I only did a glancing search on p.u.c. for 4.x [01:23] I just apt-get install db'ed and saw the list :) [01:24] Ok, I am not seeing any of the db stuff in synaptic. Which repository am I missing? [01:24] universe, more than likely [01:24] ralph1: either multiverse or universe [01:24] the libs are in main mostly === The_Vox wants more repositories for his ubuntu.... [01:29] anyone have a clue as to when ruby will be updated to match the current rails? [01:30] i mean Debian even has packages for sake [01:30] :) [01:30] anyone here run a dns server ? [01:30] yes [01:30] BIND9 [01:31] I was wanting to run a caching only server and was curious what would be best [01:31] ? [01:32] BIND9 or DJBDNS [01:32] bind works fine for that. === aseigo says something about djb's software not being Free software === malte [~malte@p5481CEF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:32] yes [01:32] you can't distribute packages [01:33] but there is a debian src package for building it [01:33] The_Vox: Me must stupid added universe and multiverse but still onely see the lib and util and doc stuff. Also came up with some duplicate errors. [01:33] well, you can, but not modify it in any way. === troglodyt [~user@204-101-205-72.anikast.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:33] so what do I do just install BIND9 and that is it ? === malte [~malte@p5481CEF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu ["Verlassend"] [01:34] the guy that does DJBDNS is very anal he won't allow anyone to distribute the program in packages [01:34] supernix: yep. and run it. === grimse [~grimse@p5481CEF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:35] no, you can dist djb's packages, but they have to be exactly as they would be if they user did a default ./configure; make && sudo make install [01:35] which, for all intents and purposes, removed packages as an option ;) [01:36] yes supernix, it's pretty simple to setup a caching server [01:36] you may want to secure it though [01:36] oic didn't know that [01:36] refer to ISC.ORG for BIND9 docs [01:36] or google for securing bind [01:37] I was not sure if bind was best or not since I saw those other servers in the dns list [01:37] saw one that was called power dns and something else that mentioned using MySQL and all that jazz [01:37] So I didnt know if BIND was old school or what === mart [~mart@ip127.cab14.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #kubuntu === satch [~satch@63.96.56.2] has joined #kubuntu [01:40] does bind need securing ? I mean is it a security threat ? [01:40] PDNS is cool too, and yes BIND is old school [01:40] hi all, I'm having problems with apt-get on kunbunto 5.04 - and I can't seem to find any deb package repositories - what can I do ? [01:40] LOL I thought so [01:41] does PDNS have a GUI or is it all text to ? [01:41] all services should be properly secured supernix [01:41] just tell bind to listen on localhost === otep [~otep@AP-203.167.31.177.sysads.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:42] what are some repositories for kubuntu I can try ? [01:43] look in /etc/apt/sources.list satch [01:43] uncomment universe for examle [01:43] s/mle/mple/ [01:43] Teknoenie: all I have is http.us.debian.org in sources.list [01:44] on Kubuntu.. oohhh something not right there [01:45] okkkk :) [01:46] what shall I do then ? [01:48] http://www.subatomictoad.com/sources.list [01:48] ralph1: uhm...this is my sources.list, see if there's something there that you are missing: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/710 [01:50] Teknoenie: couldn'd find sources.list on that server my browser was quite happy to inform me [01:55] The_Vox: Thanks for the list I am printing it out now and will check it out with my list. [01:58] deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main [01:58] for w32codecs too === moshe [~moshe@ool-18bab1e4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:06] hey folks [02:06] anyone use easydns services? [02:06] hi moshe [02:06] is there a way to change kdm back to the traditional usage and appearance? [02:07] right now it's kdm, but it looks and behaves just like gdm [02:07] you mean change the theme? [02:07] no, I want it to be a window in the center of the screen with a list of users on the left, the password space, and the drop down menu that lets you choose what kind of session you want to have. [02:09] and I want to know how to allow root login. [02:09] i've seen somthing like that on kde-look.org. find the theme, mv it to /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes and edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc [02:09] root login X? [02:09] seen it on kde-look? it's the default appearance of kdm! [02:10] except on kubuntu, where it's changed. [02:10] I can't get a console or an X login [02:10] ok, then edit kdmrc to your liking [02:10] I didn't realize it was a kdmrc issue [02:10] thanks [02:11] do you know how to allow root logins? [02:11] I dont and would never do such thing [02:12] use sudo or enable root account, or better yet, just sudo -s -H for your admin tasks [02:12] that's kinda difficult if I want to run a graphical app as root [02:13] I'm sorry, I fail to undersyand the need for that [02:14] it would take too much time to explain because I have one hand tied up now === stibby||-_-zZz is now known as stibby === crimsun [~crimsun@crimsun.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #kubuntu === TestMAD [TestMAD@pool-141-153-72-252.clrk.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:18] guys is the default for the install of BIND already setup for a caching only nameserver ? [02:20] supernix: i believe so [02:21] darn it.. i want rails to work again.. boo hooo [02:21] what do i do to get the pool-141-153-72-252.clrk.east.verizon.net to say something else? [02:22] it won't. that is what verison (The netblock owner) has assigned it [02:22] k.. [02:22] but cant i mask it? [02:23] ident server maybe [02:23] wouldnt runnin my own dns server do it? [02:23] no [02:24] you are not the authority for that IP space [02:24] hmm..then how come ive seen some ppl with dont.bother.asking when i try to ./dns them? [02:24] then comes back un resolvable [02:25] doesn't bind write the results to a cache file ? [02:25] ohh.. you mean within the chat client [02:25] yea [02:25] how can I find it to verify that it is caching ? [02:25] sorry if i was so vague [02:28] ok.. one last try.. does anyone here know when the proper version of ruby (that works with rails) will be commited === frank [~frank@toronto-HSE-ppp3949952.sympatico.ca] has joined #kubuntu === BROKEN_LADDER [~pral@adsl-69-227-57-228.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #KUBUNTU === otep is now known as otep[sch] === sedeki [~sedeki@c213-100-113-66.swipnet.se] has joined #kubuntu === PenguinBoy [~thepengui@24-159-145-55.dhcp.smrt.tn.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu [03:14] howdy ho neighbors === Chris_Tucker [ChrisTucke@stjhnf01-23-142163031196.nf.sympatico.ca] has joined #kubuntu [03:15] hello Mr. Tucker [03:15] lol [03:16] i have a file that will only execute as sudo.. how do i fix this? [03:20] kdusu -c konsole [03:20] kdusu: command not found [03:20] kdesu -c konsole [03:20] sorry [03:22] erm [03:22] i dont want to run it as root [03:23] i want to modify it === dutch [~dutch@cpe-065-190-182-028.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === Mason59 [~Mason59@d141-215-9.home.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:25] Chris_Tucker: chmod [03:27] why won't "kdevelop3" install? [03:27] i keep checking it but the mark goes away [03:27] Hello all, my I come in? [03:27] i have tried chmod 777,7777,x,a+x ... its still doing the same thing [03:27] Chris_Tucker: are you sure you're doing it right? [03:28] Have you tried running it from the CLI after installation? [03:28] "broken packages" ??? [03:28] that's unfortunate. [03:28] stibby: have you updated recently? [03:29] yep [03:29] i get a long message from apt saying i have some newer dev files so kdevelop can't install..??? [03:29] That may be temporary...I had that with the Canadian hosts once. Waited a couple of days, ran update and everything installed (not with KDevelop, but other packaages) [03:29] Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have [03:29] requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable [03:29] distribution that some required packages have not yet been created [03:29] or been moved out of Incoming. [03:29] jpowers, chmod 777 ... didnt work.. tried 7777, +x, and a+x.... nothing has made a diff [03:30] will still only run with sudo [03:30] Chris_Tucker: who owns the file? [03:30] jpowers chris does [03:31] Chris_Tucker: and you try running it as user chris? [03:31] Chris_Tucker: did you sudo chmod? [03:31] no, that wouldn't do it [03:31] I dunno [03:32] is there any way to get the gnome icon set into kde? [03:32] kde's themes are all shiny and plastic looking [03:33] yes yes and yes jpowers === Davey [~davey@davey.user] has joined #kubuntu [03:33] Is kde-libs in the list of newer files? There is a conflict with updating kde-libs-4.xxx in Kubuntu [03:34] I'm running Ubuntu right now, what happens when I install kubuntu-desktop? Will it replace GDM? what about all my custom settings and such? my desktop icons and what not? [03:34] Not sure Davey === Davey sighs === panickedthumb [~travis@68.191.5.209] has joined #kubuntu [03:35] Chris_Tucker: chown it === _kinus [~kinus@wbs-146-184-80.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu [03:37] Davey: you install kubuntu-desktop which is KDE with ubuntu artwork, kdm will replace gdm unless you chose not to, your Gnome seetings will not change, however you will need to set your preferences in KDE [03:37] (k)ubuntu-artwork* [03:37] Anyone have usb problems here? [03:37] pax: same prob [03:39] chris this thingy belongs to what group, root? === Heart_2 [~jzdgc@p549C2BE2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [03:40] OK, thanks pax ;) [03:41] no to chris === mart [~mart@ip57.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #kubuntu [03:42] chown -v chris:chris file [03:43] what does the message say? [03:43] nothing it just doesnt execute unless sudo'd === mart [~mart@ip57.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === kinus_ [~kinus@wbs-146-133-98.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu [03:44] wait a minute, what is this file? [03:44] firefox [03:44] manual install [03:44] hey anyone thought about rewriting FireFox to use QT instead of that GTK+ stuff so it looks better in KDE [03:45] oh boy, something is very wrong here, you shouldnt run a browser as root, how did this happen? [03:46] who is running a browser as root ? [03:46] ran the installer as self.. wounldnt luanch the browser when done, so i tried sudo ./firefox [03:46] and it worked [03:46] supernix: hussam was trying to compile it with qt the other day, ask him [03:46] rofl [03:46] ty pax [03:47] wild [03:47] chris, umm you can go around it with sudoers but as you know a browser shoud run as user not root [03:48] none of the programs care who runs them. If you sudo, you run as root. what's the problem? [03:49] running a browser as root is dangerous. [03:49] oh wow, I'm learning something new [03:49] pax, thats why im here trying to figure it out === nmorse [~nmorse@adsl-64-217-110-209.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:49] Anyone know why 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper' would fail with a permission error [03:49] Absolutely! But Linux doesn't try to protect the user from himself. That's why we have to be careful [03:50] Mason59: that's what sudo is for supposedly [03:50] it should run if you sudo Chris. [03:51] That's why you should always try to run anything (particularly something as exposed as a browser) as a user, not root [03:51] Mason59 i dont want to sudo it [03:51] Anyone else have errors with sudo modprobe ndiswrapper? [03:51] Mason59 its a web browser === Davey is installing now :) [03:51] Anyone here even care or is this becoming as bad as trying to get help on Debian? [03:51] Are you saying you have to sudo to run firefox Chris? [03:51] actually, its done :) [03:52] Mason59 right now yes, im not useing .debs, im doing it the normal way [03:52] To install a program one must run as root [03:52] Or sudo in this case [03:52] You can't run as a user? [03:53] But no application that doesn't affect the system should ever be run as non-user [03:53] not in the case of firefox nmorse it doesnt need to be, it can be installed in /home/user/some/folder and run perfect, except right now for some reason [03:53] I don't agree nmorse. You're asking for protection from yourself then [03:53] What reason is that? [03:54] Mason59, protection from oneself is the best protection [03:54] I am my own worst enemy [03:54] No. Knowledge is the best protection. [03:54]