[12:03] <seth_k> Entonian, no, it's not even installed. You'd have to use Kynaptic or apt-get to install it off the DVD first
[12:04] <Entonian> seth_k: Okay. Thank you.
[12:04] <ralph1> seth_k: Hi
[12:05] <seth_k> hi ralph1 
[12:05] <seth_k> what package do you need today? ;) j/k
[12:05] <Entonian> seth_k: I would have bumbled around a long time without that piece of information.
[12:06] <ralph1> seth_k: I have had a request from the developer on Kmymoney2. Asking me to share file with project. Do you have any problems with that?
[12:06] <seth_k> ralph1, the deb file?
[12:06] <ralph1> Yes
[12:07] <seth_k> sure, no problems
[12:07] <seth_k> if he puts attribution, my site is http://sethkinast.com :P
[12:09] <testmad> nice stuf there
[12:14] <ralph1> seth_k: I will inform him, of that. Thanks.
[12:14] <testmad> i like this
[12:14] <seth_k> ralph1, cheers for letting me know, it's kinda cool for me :)
[12:15] <testmad> _frank: that dma thing fixed the lagg with the system
[12:15] <testmad> seth_k: do you offer enthusiast parts from your shop?
[12:16] <testmad> im an overclocker..and am considering a peltier colling system
[12:17] <seth_k> testmad, no, I don't sell parts; just do repairs and stock the parts I need for things like that
[12:17] <testmad> oh..k
[12:17] <seth_k> peltier sounds amazing though
[12:17] <testmad> the peltier setup im looking into is around 500$..lookin for a cheap hookup
[12:17] <seth_k> hehe
[12:17] <seth_k> I want pics if you get it up
[12:17] <testmad> k
[12:17] <testmad> can do.
[12:18] <buz> for 500$ you can buy vapochill equipment no?
[12:18] <testmad> im also planning on going to just using a plain dual loop water cooled setup on this pc
[12:18] <testmad> been keepin my eye on those u2-ufo cases.
[12:18] <testmad> ever seen one of those?
[12:18] <testmad> its friggen huge
[12:19] <testmad> great for warecooling
[12:20] <ralph1> seth_k: Most of computing needs are meet by the standard Kubuntu distro, but a few programs I needed updated, I am very thankful for you meeting my needs, that is way cool to me, In the case of Kmymoney I offered to share privately with others who needed taking care not to mention you by name so that you are not bothered with support requests etc. (not abused).
[12:20] <testmad> here's a link to it..
[12:20] <testmad> http://mountainmods.com/product_info.php?products_id=94
[12:20] <seth_k> ralph1, feel free to share it with whomever, that's what the spirit of ubuntu is all about
[12:21] <pax> hey outpost are selling 80GB HItachi HDs for $25
[12:21] <seth_k> yum
[12:21] <pax> shipped!
[12:21] <othernoob> pax: online shop?
[12:21] <ralph1> seth_k: thanks for letting me share
[12:21] <testmad> is that with a mail in rebate?
[12:22] <pax> othernoob: yes
[12:22] <othernoob> pax: worldwide?
[12:22] <pax> I dont know about worldwide, check it out
[12:22] <othernoob> pax: link?
[12:22] <pax> http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4322615?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
[12:23] <testmad> its a mailin rebate..
[12:23] <testmad> 6-8 weeks to get your moneyback
[12:23] <testmad> ill pass
[12:24] <pax> still good deal testmad :)
[12:24] <testmad> want a place for hd's..go here
[12:24] <testmad> http://www.driveguys.com/Dynamic/index.asp?CartId=6931957PMWY-ACCWARE-U635
[12:25] <pax> I dont see 80GB retail for $25 there :)
[12:26] <testmad> yea..but..in my experience..if you mess up that rebate form just a little bit..you wont get your money back
[12:27] <testmad> just be careful and double check it before you send it out
[12:28] <pax> testmad: I never had a single rebate, not even with CompUSA. If you get lazy and dont send the rebate then it's nobody's fault
[12:28] <pax> problem*
[12:29] <testmad> how do i edit the sysinfo..or add to it..or change it?
[12:30] <testmad> the sysinfo in konversation
[12:30] <seth_k> sysinfo?
[12:30] <seth_k> the version string?
[12:30] <pax> System Information for    [ debuntu ] 
[12:30] <pax> OS/Kernel                 Linux 2.6.10-5-386
[12:30] <pax> CPU Info                  AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2700+ 2166.530 Mhz   4292.60 Bogomips
[12:30] <pax> HD Info                   0GB total storage capacity
[12:30] <pax> Memory                    282.848/885.41MB
[12:30] <pax> Processes                 90
[12:30] <testmad> yea
[12:30] <buz> System Information for    [ buz ] 
[12:30] <buz> OS/Kernel                 Linux 2.6.10-5-386
[12:30] <buz> CPU Info                  AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+ 1832.338 Mhz   3629.05 Bogomips
[12:30] <buz> HD Info                   0GB total storage capacity
[12:30] <pax> Uptime                    2 days
[12:30] <buz> Memory                    288.277/473.016MB
[12:30] <buz> Processes                 90
[12:30] <buz> Uptime                    15:16
[12:30] <testmad> System Information for    [ ubuntu ] 
[12:30] <testmad> OS/Kernel                 Linux 2.6.10-5-k7
[12:30] <testmad> CPU Info                  AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+ 2411.263 Mhz   4767.74 Bogomips
[12:30] <testmad> HD Info                   0GB total storage capacity
[12:30] <testmad> Memory                    134.547/504.246MB
[12:30] <testmad> Processes                 80
[12:30] <testmad> Uptime                    1:21
[12:30] <buz> ROTFL i got no storage at all
[12:30] <testmad> me either
[12:31] <seth_k> my computer sucks compared to you people's :P
[12:31] <testmad> heh
[12:31] <seth_k> System Information for    [ erebus ] 
[12:31] <seth_k> OS/Kernel                 Linux 2.6.10-5-k7
[12:31] <seth_k> CPU Info                  AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2000+ 1666.562 Mhz   3301.37 Bogomips
[12:31] <seth_k> HD Info                   0GB total storage capacity
[12:31] <seth_k> Memory                    258.391/631.254MB
[12:31] <testmad> anyone know how to add to it or change it
[12:31] <seth_k> Processes                 120
[12:31] <seth_k> Uptime                    47 min
[12:31] <pax> buz got a good box
[12:32] <pax> I mean testmad
[12:32] <seth_k> yeah, it would make it easier to to these builds
[12:32] <testmad> yea..i do got a good one..its not OC'ed yet either
[12:32] <testmad> not good nuff cooling in it yet
[12:32] <pax> you need some ram 
[12:32] <testmad> nah
[12:33] <testmad> i just need my ram at 250Mhz..not 200
[12:33] <seth_k> i'll buy my next box probably next fall
[12:33] <seth_k> I don't need anything better yet
[12:33] <testmad> ive gotton this box up to 2.6 Ghz on stock air
[12:33] <testmad> was gonna goto water to get higher.
[12:34] <pax> testmad: see that chip ubuntu says 2700+ it's really just a 2100+ runing at 2.17G
[12:34] <testmad> and in january..prolyl gonan go for the fx-59 2 7800gt's and  4GB ram..
[12:34] <testmad> and peltier setup
[12:34] <seth_k> jiminy
[12:34] <seth_k> that's a lot of box
[12:34] <testmad> thats awesome pax
[12:35] <testmad> yea.too much box.
[12:35] <pax> yeah this chip is wonderful man, ancient but worth every penny 
[12:35] <testmad> but i suffer from tim taylor syndrome..
[12:35] <testmad> more power..GRUNT GRUNT GRUNT..
[12:35] <supernix> I don't get it i have Jave installed but can't get it working in Yahoo games
[12:36] <testmad> seth_k: did you check out that link for the u2 ufo case?
[12:36] <testmad> its 18x18x18in
[12:36] <testmad> bid friggen box
[12:36] <testmad> perfect for 1/2 OD
[12:37] <testmad> not only is my next system gonna be beefy..but so is the cooling setup
[12:37] <testmad> if im gonna push it to the max..im gonna need it
[12:37] <supernix> System Information for    [ PC1 ] 
[12:37] <supernix> OS/Kernel                 Linux 2.6.10-5-686
[12:37] <supernix> CPU Info                  Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz 2800.837 Mhz   5554.17 Bogomips
[12:37] <supernix> HD Info                   0GB total storage capacity
[12:37] <supernix> Memory                    247.031/504.262MB
[12:37] <supernix> Processes                 107
[12:37] <supernix> Uptime                    8 days
[12:37] <supernix> :D
[12:38] <supernix> I don't get why my sysinfo says 0GB for hd space
[12:38] <testmad> my amd will still spank yer p4
[12:38] <supernix> only if you overclock it like mad
[12:38] <testmad> nah
[12:38] <testmad> dont even need to touch the cpu
[12:38] <supernix> My p4 will outlast any AMD
[12:38] <testmad> just the ram
[12:39] <testmad> not with how hot that sucker gets
[12:39] <supernix> amd is hotter than a p4
[12:39] <testmad> nope..
[12:39] <supernix> that is what they have always been know for
[12:39] <testmad> what u run..bout 110-130 watt?
[12:39] <testmad> im running 90
[12:39] <supernix> my system only runs 120F
[12:40] <supernix> Not sure on how many watts is used
[12:40] <testmad> big factor in cpu longevity
[12:41] <supernix> heat causes breakdown
[12:41] <supernix> more heat less life more resistance
[12:41] <testmad> i know
[12:41] <supernix> basic electricity
[12:42] <testmad> brb..gotta check this out..
[12:49] <testmad> lets  see what this says now
[12:49] <testmad> System Information for    [ ubuntu ] 
[12:49] <testmad> OS/Kernel                 Linux 2.6.10-5-k7
[12:49] <testmad> CPU Info                  AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+ 2507.393 Mhz   4964.35 Bogomips
[12:49] <testmad> HD Info                   0GB total storage capacity
[12:49] <testmad> Memory                    84.6602/504.246MB
[12:49] <testmad> Processes                 75
[12:50] <testmad> Uptime                    2 min
[12:50] <pax> nah, amd venice runs cooler than any intel. infact, amd's cofuc now is only speed but also heat
[12:50] <pax> focus*
[12:51] <testmad> i wish it showed more info about ram
[12:52] <testmad> running 250mhz 2.5 4 4 6
[12:52] <testmad> and thats nice
[12:52] <pax> cat /proc/meminfo
[12:53] <testmad> well..im out..gotta go over to xp fr a bit
[12:54] <testmad> bye
[12:54] <supernix> bogomips is where it is at
[12:59] <ztonzy> hey
[12:59] <ztonzy> apokryphos7, hey...?
[01:00] <bbailey> System Information for    [ muddevel ] 
[01:00] <bbailey> OS/Kernel                 Linux 2.6.10-5-386
[01:00] <bbailey> CPU Info                  Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.40GHz 2394.725 Mhz   4734.97 Bogomips
[01:00] <bbailey> HD Info                   0GB total storage capacity
[01:00] <bbailey> Memory                    151.301/496.336MB
[01:00] <bbailey> Processes                 94
[01:00] <bbailey> Uptime                    1 day
[01:00] <bbailey> Hhmm. Meh.
[01:01] <ztonzy> apok, problems today?
[01:01] <supernix> why does it say 0GB ?
[01:02] <seth_k> bug in sysinfo
[01:02] <seth_k> let's go ahead and cut down the sysinfo spam now :)
[01:03] <pax> good idea :D
[01:06] <ralph1> seth_k: Do you know if Kubuntu comes with the Berkely Database?
[01:09] <seth_k> ralph1, I don't believe so, no
[01:09] <seth_k> ralph1, there are many libraries to interface with it, like libdb4.1
[01:09] <Teknoenie> hi all
[01:11] <seth_k> hi Teknoenie
[01:13] <supernix> WASUP
[01:13] <ralph1> seth_k: Was just wondering, because Gramps 2.0.5 uses the Berkely Database to store it's database, but will fall back to it's older XML stuff. I thought the Berkely Database came with most distros.
[01:14] <ralph1> seth_k: Is the Berkely Database system available some where in the system?
[01:17] <seth_k> No, there are no packages for it afaik
[01:17] <seth_k> it's not in Debian either from what I can see
[01:17] <supernix> how do you find something that is broken in synaptic ?
[01:17] <crimsun> seth_k, do you mean libdb*?
[01:18] <seth_k> crimsun, is that the whole of the berkeley db? I mentioned that about 8 minutes up, but wasn't sure if that was berkeley db or just libraries to interface with it
[01:19] <nikkia> seth, umm, that's all there is to it
[01:19] <ralph1> seth_k: Do not know what I mean, lack of knowledge here. I think I will ask questions on Gramps mailing list. One of the Developers there is involved with Debian and keeps it up dote with latest packages.
[01:20] <seth_k> ralph1, according to nikkia libdb4.1 is what you want, I think
[01:20] <The_Vox> seth_k: actually, berkely database is the db<#> and libdb<#> packages
[01:20] <seth_k> cheers The_Vox 
[01:20] <crimsun> there's also db4.1-utils, but yeah, it's definitely there
[01:21] <crimsun> 4.1-4.3 are there
[01:22] <The_Vox> actually, from 2 to 4.3 every version is there
[01:22] <crimsun> yeah, I only did a glancing search on p.u.c. for 4.x
[01:23] <The_Vox> I just apt-get install db<tab>'ed and saw the list :)
[01:24] <ralph1> Ok, I am not seeing any of the db stuff in synaptic. Which repository am I missing?
[01:24] <crimsun> universe, more than likely
[01:24] <The_Vox> ralph1: either multiverse or universe
[01:24] <crimsun> the libs are in main mostly
[01:29] <Teknoenie> anyone have a clue as to when ruby will be updated to match the current rails?
[01:30] <Teknoenie> i mean <G> Debian even has packages for <G> sake
[01:30] <Teknoenie> :)
[01:30] <supernix> anyone here run a dns server ?
[01:30] <Teknoenie> yes
[01:30] <Teknoenie> BIND9
[01:31] <supernix> I was wanting to run a caching only server and was curious what would be best
[01:31] <supernix> ?
[01:32] <Teknoenie> BIND9 or DJBDNS
[01:32] <aseigo> bind works fine for that.
[01:32] <Teknoenie> yes
[01:32] <Teknoenie> you can't distribute packages
[01:33] <Teknoenie> but there is a debian src package for building it
[01:33] <ralph1> The_Vox: Me must stupid added universe and multiverse  but still onely see the lib and util and doc stuff. Also came up with some duplicate errors.
[01:33] <aseigo> well, you can, but not modify it in any way.
[01:33] <supernix> so what do I do just install BIND9 and that is it ?
[01:34] <supernix> the guy that does DJBDNS is very anal he won't allow anyone to distribute the program in packages
[01:34] <aseigo> supernix: yep. and run it.
[01:35] <aseigo> no, you can dist djb's packages, but they have to be exactly as they would be if they user did a default ./configure; make && sudo make install
[01:35] <aseigo> which, for all intents and purposes, removed packages as an option ;)
[01:36] <Teknoenie> yes supernix, it's pretty simple to setup a caching server
[01:36] <Teknoenie> you may want to secure it though
[01:36] <supernix> oic didn't know that 
[01:36] <Teknoenie> refer to ISC.ORG for BIND9 docs
[01:36] <Teknoenie> or google for securing bind
[01:37] <supernix> I was not sure if bind was best or not since I saw those other servers in the dns list
[01:37] <supernix> saw one that was called power dns and something else that mentioned using MySQL and all that jazz
[01:37] <supernix> So I didnt know if BIND was old school or what 
[01:40] <supernix> does bind need securing ? I mean is it a security threat ?
[01:40] <Teknoenie> PDNS is cool too, and yes BIND is old school
[01:40] <satch> hi all, I'm having problems with apt-get on kunbunto 5.04 - and I can't seem to find any deb package repositories - what can I do ?
[01:40] <supernix> LOL I thought so
[01:41] <supernix> does PDNS have a GUI or is it all text to ?
[01:41] <Teknoenie> all services should be properly secured supernix 
[01:41] <Teknoenie> just tell bind to listen on localhost
[01:42] <satch> what are some repositories for kubuntu I can try ?
[01:43] <Teknoenie> look in /etc/apt/sources.list satch
[01:43] <Teknoenie> uncomment universe for examle
[01:43] <Teknoenie> s/mle/mple/
[01:43] <satch> Teknoenie: all I have is http.us.debian.org in sources.list
[01:44] <Teknoenie> on Kubuntu.. oohhh something not right there
[01:45] <satch> okkkk :)
[01:46] <satch> what shall I do then ?
[01:48] <Teknoenie> http://www.subatomictoad.com/sources.list
[01:48] <The_Vox> ralph1: uhm...this is my sources.list, see if there's something there that you are missing: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/710
[01:50] <satch> Teknoenie: couldn'd find sources.list on that server my browser was quite happy to inform me
[01:55] <ralph1> The_Vox: Thanks for the list I am printing it out now and will check it out with my list.
[01:58] <Teknoenie> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[01:58] <Teknoenie> for w32codecs too
[02:06] <moshe> hey folks
[02:06] <pax> anyone use easydns services?
[02:06] <pax> hi moshe 
[02:06] <moshe> is there a way to change kdm back to the traditional usage and appearance?
[02:07] <moshe> right now it's kdm, but it looks and behaves just like gdm
[02:07] <pax> you mean change the theme?
[02:07] <moshe> no, I want it to be a window in the center of the screen with a list of users on the left, the password space, and the drop down menu that lets you choose what kind of session you want to have.
[02:09] <moshe> and I want to know how to allow root login.
[02:09] <pax> i've seen somthing like that on kde-look.org. find the theme, mv it to /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes and edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[02:09] <pax> root login X? 
[02:09] <moshe> seen it on kde-look?  it's the default appearance of kdm!
[02:10] <moshe> except on kubuntu, where it's changed.
[02:10] <moshe> I can't get a console or an X login
[02:10] <pax> ok, then edit kdmrc to your liking
[02:10] <moshe> I didn't realize it was a kdmrc issue
[02:10] <moshe> thanks
[02:11] <moshe> do you know how to allow root logins?
[02:11] <pax> I dont and would never do such thing
[02:12] <pax> use sudo or enable root account, or better yet, just sudo -s -H for your admin tasks
[02:12] <moshe> that's kinda difficult if I want to run a graphical app as root
[02:13] <pax> I'm sorry, I fail to undersyand the need for that
[02:14] <moshe> it would take too much time to explain because I have one hand tied up now
[02:18] <supernix> guys is the default for the install of BIND already setup for a caching only nameserver ?
[02:20] <Teknoenie> supernix: i believe so
[02:21] <Teknoenie> darn it.. i want rails to work again.. boo hooo
[02:21] <TestMAD> what do i do to get the pool-141-153-72-252.clrk.east.verizon.net to say something else?
[02:22] <Teknoenie> it won't.  that is what verison (The netblock owner) has assigned it
[02:22] <TestMAD> k..
[02:22] <TestMAD> but cant i mask it?
[02:23] <Teknoenie> ident server maybe
[02:23] <TestMAD> wouldnt runnin my own dns server do it?
[02:23] <Teknoenie> no
[02:24] <Teknoenie> you are not the authority for that IP space
[02:24] <TestMAD> hmm..then how come ive seen some ppl with dont.bother.asking when i try to ./dns them?
[02:24] <TestMAD> then comes back un resolvable
[02:25] <supernix> doesn't bind write the results to a cache file ?
[02:25] <Teknoenie> ohh.. you mean within the chat client
[02:25] <TestMAD> yea
[02:25] <supernix> how can I find it to verify that it is caching ?
[02:25] <TestMAD> sorry if i was so vague
[02:28] <Teknoenie> ok.. one last try.. does anyone here know when the proper version of ruby (that works with rails) will be commited
[03:14] <PenguinBoy> howdy ho neighbors
[03:15] <PenguinBoy> hello Mr. Tucker
[03:15] <Chris_Tucker> lol
[03:16] <Chris_Tucker> i have a file that will only execute as sudo.. how do i fix this?
[03:20] <sedeki> kdusu -c konsole
[03:20] <Chris_Tucker> kdusu: command not found
[03:20] <sedeki> kdesu -c konsole
[03:20] <sedeki> sorry
[03:22] <Chris_Tucker> erm
[03:22] <Chris_Tucker> i dont want to run it as root
[03:23] <Chris_Tucker> i want to modify it
[03:25] <jpowers> Chris_Tucker: chmod
[03:27] <stibby> why won't "kdevelop3" install?
[03:27] <stibby> i keep checking it but the mark goes away
[03:27] <Mason59> Hello all, my I come in?
[03:27] <Chris_Tucker> i have tried chmod 777,7777,x,a+x  ... its still doing the same thing
[03:27] <jpowers> Chris_Tucker: are you sure you're doing it right?
[03:28] <Mason59> Have you tried running it from the CLI after installation?
[03:28] <stibby> "broken packages" ???
[03:28] <jpowers> that's unfortunate.
[03:28] <jpowers> stibby: have you updated recently?
[03:29] <stibby> yep
[03:29] <stibby> i get a long message from apt saying i have some newer dev files so kdevelop can't install..???
[03:29] <Mason59> That may be temporary...I had that with the Canadian hosts once.  Waited a couple of days, ran update and everything installed (not with KDevelop, but other packaages)
[03:29] <stibby> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[03:29] <stibby> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[03:29] <stibby> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[03:29] <stibby> or been moved out of Incoming.
[03:29] <Chris_Tucker> jpowers, chmod 777 <file> ... didnt work..  tried 7777, +x, and a+x.... nothing has made a diff
[03:30] <Chris_Tucker> will still only run with sudo
[03:30] <jpowers> Chris_Tucker: who owns the file?
[03:30] <Chris_Tucker> jpowers chris does
[03:31] <jpowers> Chris_Tucker: and you try running it as user chris?
[03:31] <jpowers> Chris_Tucker: did you sudo chmod?
[03:31] <jpowers> no, that wouldn't do it
[03:31] <jpowers> I dunno
[03:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there any way to get the gnome icon set into kde?
[03:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> kde's themes are all shiny and plastic looking
[03:33] <Chris_Tucker> yes yes and yes jpowers
[03:33] <Mason59> Is kde-libs in the list of newer files?  There is a conflict with updating kde-libs-4.xxx in Kubuntu
[03:34] <Davey> I'm running Ubuntu right now, what happens when I install kubuntu-desktop? Will it replace GDM? what about all my custom settings and such? my desktop icons and what not?
[03:34] <Mason59> Not sure Davey
[03:35] <pax> Chris_Tucker: chown it
[03:37] <pax> Davey: you install kubuntu-desktop which is KDE with ubuntu artwork, kdm will replace gdm unless you chose not to, your Gnome seetings will not change, however you will need to set your preferences in KDE
[03:37] <pax> (k)ubuntu-artwork*
[03:37] <Mason59> Anyone have usb problems here?
[03:37] <Chris_Tucker> pax: same prob
[03:39] <pax> chris this thingy belongs to what group, root?
[03:40] <Davey> OK, thanks pax ;)
[03:41] <Chris_Tucker> no to chris
[03:42] <pax> chown -v chris:chris file
[03:43] <pax> what does the message say?
[03:43] <Chris_Tucker> nothing it just doesnt execute unless sudo'd
[03:44] <pax> wait a minute, what is this file?
[03:44] <Chris_Tucker> firefox
[03:44] <Chris_Tucker> manual install
[03:44] <supernix> hey anyone thought about rewriting FireFox to use QT instead of that GTK+ stuff so it looks better in KDE
[03:45] <pax> oh boy, something is very wrong here, you shouldnt run a browser as root, how did this happen?
[03:46] <supernix> who is running a browser as root ?
[03:46] <Chris_Tucker> ran the installer as self.. wounldnt luanch the browser when done, so i tried sudo ./firefox
[03:46] <Chris_Tucker> and it worked
[03:46] <pax> supernix: hussam was trying to compile it with qt the other day, ask him
[03:46] <Chris_Tucker> rofl
[03:46] <supernix> ty pax
[03:47] <supernix> wild 
[03:47] <pax> chris, umm you can go around it with sudoers but as you know a browser shoud run as user not root
[03:48] <Mason59> none of the programs care who runs them.  If you sudo, you run as root.  what's the problem?
[03:49] <jpowers> running a browser as root is dangerous.
[03:49] <pax> oh wow, I'm learning something new
[03:49] <Chris_Tucker> pax, thats why im here trying to figure it out
[03:49] <nmorse> Anyone know why 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper' would fail with a permission error
[03:49] <Mason59> Absolutely!  But Linux doesn't try to protect the user from himself.  That's why we have to be careful
[03:50] <pax> Mason59: that's what sudo is for supposedly
[03:50] <Mason59> it should run if you sudo <application> Chris.
[03:51] <Mason59> That's why you should always try to run anything (particularly something as exposed as a browser) as a user, not root
[03:51] <Chris_Tucker> Mason59 i dont want to sudo it
[03:51] <nmorse> Anyone else have errors with sudo modprobe ndiswrapper?
[03:51] <Chris_Tucker> Mason59 its a web browser
[03:51] <nmorse> Anyone here even care or is this becoming as bad as trying to get help on Debian?
[03:51] <Mason59> Are you saying you have to sudo to run firefox Chris?
[03:51] <Davey> actually, its done :)
[03:52] <Chris_Tucker> Mason59 right now yes, im not useing .debs, im doing it the normal way
[03:52] <nmorse> To install a program one must run as root
[03:52] <nmorse> Or sudo in this case
[03:52] <Mason59> You can't run as a user?
[03:53] <nmorse> But no application that doesn't affect the system should ever be run as non-user
[03:53] <Chris_Tucker> not in the case of firefox nmorse it doesnt need to be, it can be installed in /home/user/some/folder and run perfect, except right now for some reason
[03:53] <Mason59> I don't agree nmorse.  You're asking for protection from yourself then
[03:53] <nmorse> What reason is that?
[03:54] <nmorse> Mason59, protection from oneself is the best protection
[03:54] <nmorse> I am my own worst enemy
[03:54] <Mason59> No.  Knowledge is the best protection.
[03:54] <nmorse> I thought that was wisdom.
[03:54] <Mason59> One of them (damn...always confusing them!!!  LOL)
[03:55] <nmorse> Anyway, does anyone know why I get a permissions error with 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper'?
[03:56] <Mason59> If you want protection from yourself, disable sudo and kdesu and a whole bunch of other things...no wait!  Run windows 98!  LOL
[03:57] <nmorse> Or just build a safe sudoers list
[03:57] <Mason59> don't know about the ndiswrapper problem nmorse...sorry
[03:58] <Mason59> Chris, when you say "the normal way" do you mean you compiled and installed?
[03:59] <nmorse> Or through a deb through apt?
[03:59] <nmorse> Never try to compile firefox
[03:59] <Mason59> ./configure, /make /make install?
[03:59] <moshe> hello all
[04:00] <Chris_Tucker> no Mason59
[04:00] <Chris_Tucker> firefox doesnt work that way
[04:00] <Chris_Tucker> its just ./firefox-installer
[04:00] <Chris_Tucker> it has a gui
[04:00] <pax> did you run the installer as root?
[04:01] <Chris_Tucker> no
[04:01] <pax> hi moshe 
[04:01] <pax> Chris_Tucker, weird
[04:01] <Mason59> do you know where it installed Chris?
[04:01] <Chris_Tucker> pax, very
[04:01] <Chris_Tucker> yes
[04:01] <Mason59> where?
[04:02] <moshe> brb
[04:02] <Chris_Tucker> /home/chris/firefox-installer/test/
[04:03] <Mason59> hmmmm....I need to think (without pulling a brain muscle this time)
[04:03] <Mason59> what are the directory permissions?
[04:03] <moshe> pax, I found the answer to the kdm issue I was searching for earlier.
[04:03] <Chris_Tucker> i do that when im testrunning, always worked on other things
[04:03] <moshe> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25623.html
[04:03] <Chris_Tucker> Mason59 default
[04:04] <Chris_Tucker> created by user chris
[04:04] <pax> moshe great!
[04:04] <moshe> I just commented out a line in kdmrc and now kdm is restored back to its default configuration.
[04:04] <Mason59> hmmmm...now I have to think hard...
[04:04] <pax> told you you had to edit it, altho I couldnt tell you the exact line
[04:05] <moshe> I found the place
[04:05] <Mason59> Have you rebooted since installing Chris?
[04:05] <moshe> now I have thi system where I want it to be.
[04:05] <Chris_Tucker> yes
[04:05] <pax> glad you're enjoying your kubuntu
[04:06] <moshe> me too
[04:06] <moshe> it's a change of pace from Slackware
[04:06] <Mason59> Damn!  I'm out of suggestions.  sorry my friend
[04:07] <moshe> now, if only someone would put transcode into one of the repositories....
[04:08] <pax> it is
[04:10] <pax> unable universe and multiverse in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:13] <pax> enable*
[04:15] <nmorse> You know, occasionally I forget how dadgum awful #ubuntu can be
[04:32] <jago> hello, is there a way to use an rpm file with kubuntu?
[04:35] <jpowers> jago: alien might let you do it.
[04:35] <jpowers> of course, ymmv
[04:37] <jago> what is alien? and ?ymmv?
[04:39] <jpowers> ymmv=your mileage may vary
[04:40] <TestMAD> whats a good app to get xparent windows?
[04:49] <jpowers> jago: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-32231.html that might have some info for you.
[04:56] <jago> thank you
[04:56] <Zugwrack> Can someone give me a heads up on this type of url? http://www.dvdsanta.com-http.com I mean what the heck is it?
[04:57] <crimsun> standard url, why?
[04:57] <crimsun> com-http.com is the domain
[04:57] <Zugwrack> With a hyphen using -http.com on the end Never seen that way of doing it before
[04:58] <crimsun> no, com-http.com is the domain
[04:58] <crimsun> dvdsanta can be considered the subdomain, and www the host
[04:59] <Zugwrack> I understand that...nslookup gives me the provider ip...I am trying to figure out what their mail severs might be...but it only returns a non-authoritative reply with the primary ip
[04:59] <Zugwrack> Makes sense since they changed their hosting provider..
[05:00] <crimsun> -t MX then
[05:00] <Zugwrack> crimsun thanks..
[05:01] <crimsun> use host, anyway
[05:01] <crimsun> nslookup is deprecated.
[05:02] <Zugwrack> crimson..ok..sorry haven't had to play with this for years...easy to forget and not keep up...
[05:02] <crimsun> no sweat
[05:04] <Zugwrack> ahhh..now I see they are still running their own mail servers at their old ip and have moved the www in the MX over to the new hosting provider...must be in process on the changes...heh
[05:06] <closure> so
[05:06] <closure> umm
[05:06] <Zugwrack> Is 64bit supported in the kernel for Kubuntu PC version? Sorry I run mac primarily so I am not up on it...
[05:06] <closure> when is breezy coming out?
[05:06] <closure> and are these kde libs updates stable and it won't crash my systeme
[05:07] <closure> err system
[05:07] <sedeki> kubuntu is available for 64bits as far as I know.
[05:14] <supernix> so crimsun what should you use besides nslookup ?
[05:15] <supernix> ooops sorry I just read we should use host
[05:15] <kalenedrael> host
[05:15] <kalenedrael> yeah...
[05:15] <kalenedrael> dig, if you like
[05:16] <supernix> ty
[05:16] <supernix> I use to use BIND and all that but it was BIND 4 and that has been a very long time ago
[05:22] <pax> anyone use easydns services here?
[05:52] <supernix> anyone else noticed that Koffice fails to install any menu items
[05:53] <TestMAD> have you noticed that alot of stuff doesnt install any menu items?
[05:53] <TestMAD> hehe
[05:55] <supernix> LOL yeah I have sort of 
[05:55] <supernix> that agravates me why do they do that ?
[05:57] <TestMAD> i dunno
[05:57] <TestMAD> ive just gotten i nthe habit of adding them after i install
[05:58] <supernix> is there a guide for doing that ?
[05:59] <TestMAD> umm..i dunno
[05:59] <TestMAD> just right click in the menu..and choose edit
[05:59] <TestMAD> after that its like windows for the mospart
[06:02] <TestMAD> this blows..lots of nice games coming out..but none with native linux support
[06:02] <TestMAD> more devs need to use opengl or sdl
[06:06] <supernix> You will see more games but everyone has to get concerted about promoting Linux
[06:06] <supernix> primarily Kubunut
[06:06] <supernix> Kubuntu*
[06:08] <kalenedrael> i think ut2004 runs on linux, and i'd call it fairly new
[06:08] <TestMAD> yea..doom3 does too
[06:08] <kalenedrael> it has native linux support
[06:08] <kalenedrael> yeah
[06:08] <TestMAD> but thats it
[06:08] <TestMAD> well.deus ex does too
[06:08] <TestMAD> and tribes 2
[06:09] <TestMAD> bu thats it i think..
[06:09] <TestMAD> everything else needs wine
[06:09] <TestMAD> like in cases of COD or MOH..
[06:09] <kalenedrael> hmm
[06:09] <kalenedrael> i don't play games, so :P
[06:09] <TestMAD> it has linux server support..but not game support
[06:10] <TestMAD> well..i sometimes find the need to shoot nazis..or other things like that
[06:10] <TestMAD> its great that ET is on linux too..but its stricktly online
[06:12] <TestMAD> sometimes i just get bored sitting here staring at irc.
[06:12] <TestMAD> hehe
[06:20] <supernix> I don't get it I run kdesu kword it starts but run kword in the run command dialog and it wont work as a regular user
[06:25] <supernix> THIS IS DRIVING ME CRAZY I added the item then poof all the real icons appeared for Koffice
[06:27] <NamShub> Im looking for a resource for laptop support in linux (mostly, the lg lw70)
[06:27] <kalenedrael> hmm
[06:27] <kalenedrael> umm
[06:27] <kalenedrael> did you try gogle?
[06:27] <kalenedrael> google
[06:28] <NamShub> yea obviously. it *seems* to have good support, however I found many people having problem with the ATI X600
[06:29] <NamShub> but I just wanted to find a general webpage that would help me find out wether its a good purchase (considering its... er... very expensive :S)
[06:29] <kalenedrael> yep
[06:29] <TestMAD> anyone here in germany?
[06:29] <kalenedrael> nvidia cards are much, much, MUCH better supported than ati cards
[06:29] <kalenedrael> if you want linux and 3d hardware acceleration, use nvidia
[06:30] <TestMAD> anyone here in the military?
[06:30] <TestMAD> army preferably?
[06:30] <NamShub> the problem is there seems to have no high-end computer such as the LW70 with a nVidia card
[06:30] <kalenedrael> NamShub, umm
[06:30] <kalenedrael> i'm sure there are, just look around
[06:31] <kalenedrael> anyway a desktop is better unless you want roaring fans and 1 hour battery life on a 8lb laptop
[06:31] <kalenedrael> (been there, done that: hp zv5460)
[06:31] <NamShub> yea but I need it to perform live recordings
[06:32] <kalenedrael> of...?
[06:32] <NamShub> wont bring a desktop :P
[06:32] <kalenedrael> music?
[06:32] <kalenedrael> video?
[06:32] <NamShub> music
[06:32] <kalenedrael> oh, any computer will handle that
[06:32] <NamShub> well, I need it for many purposes, but I need a portable for this specific reason
[06:33] <kalenedrael> you don't need a really high-end graphics card, either
[06:33] <NamShub> no, the high end stuff is for my FPS addiction :D
[06:33] <kalenedrael> i can play most games on my laptop and it only has a geforce4
[06:33] <NamShub> err, gfx card, anyway
[06:33] <kalenedrael> mx440
[06:33] <kalenedrael> 64MB
[06:34] <kalenedrael> i haven
[06:34] <kalenedrael> gah
[06:34] <bbailey> Literally sitting on top of it, at the moment. :-D
[06:34] <kalenedrael> i haven't tried it but i've heard that it can handle doom3
[06:34] <kalenedrael> so, i figure it should be good enough for most purposes
[06:34] <NamShub> I have a 5200 and its barely enough for doom3
[06:34] <kalenedrael> (this laptop also has an athlon64 3200+)
[06:35] <NamShub> although most of the slowdowns seem to come from the sound card... :S
[06:35] <kalenedrael> (which may help)
[06:35] <kalenedrael> i'm not into the performance gaming thing anyway
[06:36] <kalenedrael> if you are, well, i don't recommend linux :P
[06:36] <NamShub> nah im not into gaming much either... but I do *need* to play some quake/doom/CW/UT once in a while hehe
[06:37] <NamShub> in short, im perfectly ok with current linux game offerings
[06:37] <kalenedrael> ah
[06:38] <kalenedrael> well, i think the zv5460us is great as a DTR
[06:38] <kalenedrael> portability is "meh"
[06:38] <kalenedrael> i bring it around, sure
[06:38] <kalenedrael> and an hour and a half to two hours of battery life is good enough for me
[06:41] <kalenedrael> NamShub, i strongly recommend that you look for a laptop with an nvidia card
[06:53] <_cory> who wants to help a noob?
[06:53] <TestMAD> any one here in germany..or read german?
[06:53] <_cory> Well I'll just ask and see who bites
[06:54] <_cory> I've been using suse for a very long time
[06:54] <_cory> But now I switched to kubuntu
[06:54] <_cory> I know how to compile things
[06:54] <_cory> from source
[06:54] <_cory> And I know how to use apt
[06:54] <_cory> So I got the ndisqwrapper sources
[06:55] <seth_k> good. use apt. no compiling :P
[06:55] <_cory> But ndiswrapper only comes in souce
[06:55] <_cory> So now I'm confused
[06:55] <_cory> I try sudo make distclean
[06:55] <_cory> and it looks like it works
[06:55] <_cory> then I do sudo make
[06:55] <_cory> and I get errors
[06:56] <_cory> maybe I dont have automake?
[06:56] <kalenedrael> hmm
[06:56] <seth_k> you might try "sudo aptitude install build-essential"
[06:56] <seth_k> to make sure you have everything needed for building
[06:57] <kalenedrael> just go into the ndiswrapper source dir and type 'make', no 'make distclean' or 'make clean' is necessary for a freshly unpacked source dir
[06:57] <kalenedrael> secondly, make sure you have gcc :P
[06:57] <kalenedrael> kubuntu doesn't install it by default
[06:57] <_cory> Reading package lists... Done
[06:57] <_cory> Building dependency tree
[06:57] <_cory> Reading extended state information
[06:57] <_cory> Initializing package states... Done
[06:57] <_cory> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[06:57] <_cory> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:58] <_cory> that was my output
[06:58] <kalenedrael> hmm
[06:58] <_cory> I'll let you all follow along
[06:58] <kalenedrael> are you running another instance of apt?
[06:58] <_cory> I'm going to run make distclean first
[06:58] <_cory> I don't think so
[06:58] <_cory> ah
[06:58] <_cory> I was
[06:58] <_cory> LOL
[06:58] <_cory> What a schmo
[06:59] <_cory> Got build-essential now
[06:59] <_cory> let me try now
[06:59] <kalenedrael> ok
[06:59] <kalenedrael> it may help if we knew what sort of error ndiswrapper returns
[07:00] <pc03> fdsfdsf
[07:01] <_cory> it cant find my kernel sources
[07:01] <_cory> What is the ln command again?
[07:01] <_cory> to link my sources?
[07:01] <kalenedrael> ln -s
[07:01] <_cory> where is it by default
[07:01] <_cory> what dir?
[07:01] <kalenedrael> hmm
[07:01] <_cory> my kernel src
[07:01] <kalenedrael> you need to get kernel-headers
[07:01] <_cory> k
[07:02] <_cory> Apt says they're installed
[07:04] <kalenedrael> _cory, hmm
[07:04] <_cory> I'm so lost
[07:04] <_cory> suse just compiled it
[07:04] <kalenedrael> _cory, i compile my own kernels and recommend that you do so too
[07:04] <_cory> But Inotice a huge speed difference in kubuntu
[07:05] <_cory> I heard that can day days
[07:05] <_cory> can take days*
[07:05] <kalenedrael> firstly, i recall that the stock ubuntu kernels had a big problem with ndiswrapper, at least on a 64-bit platform
[07:05] <_cory> I'm running amd64
[07:05] <kalenedrael> _cory, no, kernel takes me about half an hour
[07:05] <_cory> But 32 bit kubuntu
[07:05] <kalenedrael> ah
[07:05] <kalenedrael> hmm
[07:05] <kalenedrael> well, i don't know... i really suggest compiling your own kernel, still
[07:06] <_cory> I know that would speed things up for me
[07:06] <kalenedrael> usually the kernel source is in /lib/modules/<kernel version>/build
[07:06] <_cory> But how would it fix my ndiswrapper issue?
[07:06] <_cory> I know
[07:06] <_cory> In /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386
[07:06] <_cory> I have the following
[07:06] <_cory> boot/                modules.ccwmap       modules.isapnpmap
[07:06] <_cory> initrd/              modules.dep          modules.pcimap
[07:06] <_cory> kernel/              modules.ieee1394map  modules.symbols
[07:06] <_cory> modules.alias        modules.inputmap     modules.usbmap
[07:07] <kalenedrael> weird
[07:07] <_cory> isn't it?
[07:07] <_cory> I searched files and folders for a build folder
[07:08] <kalenedrael> hmm
[07:08] <_cory> It came up with a build folder but it was empty
[07:08] <kalenedrael> yeah
[07:08] <kalenedrael> apt-cache search kernel
[07:08] <kalenedrael> get anything that's like kernel-source or kernel-headers
[07:08] <kalenedrael> or kernel-dev or whatever it is
[07:09] <_cory> and what does that tell me
[07:09] <_cory> I got a bunch of results
[07:09] <kalenedrael> it tells you what packages are available
[07:09] <kalenedrael> now sudo apt-get install them
[07:09] <kalenedrael> well
[07:09] <kalenedrael> not all of them :P
[07:09] <_cory> I did sudo apt-get install kernel-source
[07:09] <kalenedrael> ok
[07:09] <_cory> Anything else?
[07:10] <kalenedrael> don't think so
[07:10] <kalenedrael> try ndiswrapper again
[07:10] <TestMAD> kalenedrael: is there a way to do a complete source install of kubuntu?
[07:10] <kalenedrael> TestMAD: probably not
[07:10] <kalenedrael> i have to sleep, cya
[07:10] <_cory> thanks man
[07:11] <kalenedrael> np
[07:11] <calimatt> Hi.. i just installed Kubuntu on my laptop, and I can't get online
[07:12] <frank> calimatt: do you have a username/password for internet?
[07:12] <calimatt> no, I want to use my wireless card to connect to my home router
[07:12] <frank> I don't know about wireless sorry
[07:13] <frank> !wireless
[07:13] <ubotu> methinks wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[07:13] <calimatt> I keep trying to mess with settings in the KDE Control Center.. but nothing works
[07:14] <calimatt> no.. I know my wireless card works with this version of linux.. it worked last time I installed kubuntu on this laptop
[07:14] <calimatt> but for some reason it just won't work this time
[07:14] <calimatt> I can't get it set up
[07:15] <calimatt> and KDE Control Center has me going in a loop
[07:18] <_cory> After I've installed it how come I'm still getting the error "sudo: ndiswrapper: command not found"
[07:19] <_cory> Buler?
[07:20] <sedeki> calimatt: you can set it up manually if you want, like i did.
[07:21] <calimatt> how?
[07:21] <calimatt> <- total newb
[07:22] <sedeki> first, open a root terminal
[07:22] <sedeki> kdesu -c konsole
[07:22] <sedeki> then type
[07:22] <sedeki> # iwconfig
[07:23] <sedeki> to see which network device has wireless extensions
[07:23] <sedeki> (which is your wlan device)
[07:23] <calimatt> ok.. I opened up konsole.. and typed kdesu -c konsole.. and I got an error message
[07:23] <sedeki> what
[07:23] <sedeki> ?
[07:24] <calimatt> Authentication Rejected, None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and hoste-based authentication failed.. please check that the "dcopserver" program is running
[07:25] <sedeki> ok ok
[07:25] <sedeki> how about
[07:25] <calimatt> ah. .and despite the error message I still got a root terminal.. odd.. 
[07:25] <sedeki> $ sudo iwconfig
[07:25] <sedeki> ah
[07:25] <sedeki> okey
[07:25] <sedeki> then just type iwconfig
[07:25] <ralph1> Hi all
[07:26] <sedeki> you should see at least one device with wireless extensions depending on number of wlan devices
[07:26] <calimatt> ath0 is the one that has wireless extensions
[07:26] <sedeki> alright. you know what essid you want to connect to is?
[07:26] <calimatt> yes
[07:26] <sedeki> type iwconfig ath0 essid My_AP
[07:27] <sedeki> then type iwconfig ath0 key 0123456789
[07:27] <sedeki> which is your key
[07:27] <sedeki> s: infront if its a string
[07:27] <calimatt> do I type "essid" or do I substitute the name of my essid
[07:27] <sedeki> you type essid
[07:28] <sedeki> for it to recognize its a essid you're typing in
[07:28] <sedeki> or changing
[07:28] <calimatt> ok.. and instead of "My_AP" i type the essid I wanna connect to right
[07:28] <sedeki> yes.
[07:29] <sedeki> you can get a list of AP's with a tool bundled with kubuntu
[07:29] <calimatt> ok.. done.. and I didn't do the second thing cause my connection doesn't require a key
[07:29] <sedeki> okey
[07:29] <calimatt> so I just typed that in.. and I should be online?
[07:29] <sedeki> do you use static or dynamic IP?
[07:29] <sedeki> no, you need to configure IP first
[07:30] <sedeki> if you got dynamic, type dhclient ath0
[07:30] <calimatt> ummm.. my router assigns me an IP with DHCP
[07:30] <sedeki> ok. then you got dynamic. type dhclient ath0
[07:30] <calimatt> k
[07:31] <sedeki> to test your connection, type ping -I ath0 www.google.se
[07:31] <sedeki> uhm
[07:31] <sedeki> .com
[07:31] <sedeki> :)
[07:32] <sedeki> calimatt: you can use ifconfig ath0 to see details on your wireless card
[07:32] <sedeki> what ip you got and so on
[07:32] <calimatt> its sending pings
[07:32] <calimatt> all abut 100ms
[07:32] <sedeki> okey
[07:32] <calimatt> and i'm online.. swt
[07:32] <sedeki> you've got inernet
[07:33] <sedeki> yeah.
[07:33] <sedeki> internet*
[07:33] <calimatt> so do I have to do that essid thing in the konsole if I go to a different wifi hotspot?
[07:33] <sedeki> read more about iwconfig for more info
[07:33] <sedeki> man iwconfig
[07:34] <calimatt> arite.. thanks
[07:34] <sedeki> calimatt: yes. but im sure there are tools for it though
[07:34] <sedeki> like KDE apps or whatever
[07:39] <sedeki> sometimes though, these apps wont work as expected
[07:39] <calimatt> KWiFiManager seems to be working now (it wasn't before tho)
[07:39] <calimatt> I can see all the wireless networks in my dorm
[07:42] <calimatt> thanks a bunch for the help
[07:47] <boga> any one know a goo GUI based intrusion detection package for Linux?
[07:47] <t2> I have a question
[07:47] <boga> t2: shhot!
[07:48] <t2> working on installing smartlink modem drivers ...
[07:48] <t2> I had to add a patch to the source file I downloaded ...
[07:48] <t2> instructions say to "add patch to top of source tree"
[07:49] <t2>  what does that mean?
[07:51] <aseigo> cd source; patch -p0 < ../patch_to_source.diff
[07:52] <t2> thats what I have to enter?
[07:52] <aseigo> yes... you go into the directory with the source
[07:52] <aseigo> and then you use the `patch` command to apply the patch
[07:52] <aseigo> patch -p0 < /path/to/patch
[07:53] <t2> cd <source path> right?
[07:58] <t2> ok  ....hopefully I'll figure it out      lol
[09:00] <_root> hi
[09:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. missed foamy :S
[09:29] <Mose`> hello
[09:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[11:39] <marc1> can anyone help me?
[11:41] <marc1> plzzzzzzzz
[11:41] <hussam> just ask your question, and if somebody knows the answer, they will reply
[11:42] <marc1> lets say i installed the package 3dchess, how can i execute it? 
[11:42] <marc1> i gues its not to hard to answer ;)
[11:44] <hussam> check it a shortcut has been created under games in kmenu
[11:45] <marc1> nope, theres not even a submenu "games" there, how can i create it?, or where can i find the packages on my hd , or where can i find the proper command to start things
[11:46] <hussam> what happens if you "run command" : 3dchess ?
[11:46] <marc1> error
[11:47] <marc1> its in german eehm, given command cannot be executed 
[11:47] <hussam> I'll install it here and check
[11:48] <marc1> it would also help to know where this packages or stored on the hd , so i could manually link it to the menue-editor
[11:49] <hussam> yes, run /usr/games/3Dc 
[11:49] <marc1> ok thx
[11:53] <hussam> I noticed some packages like samba-common and konversation-0.18 have been removed from ubuntu-backports ? anybody has an idea?
[12:07] <dgtl> anyone know how to get a hold of KDevelop 3.2.1?
[12:11] <Mose`> how to make taskbar (on desktop) to look transparent??
[12:12] <dgtl> right click taskbar->Configure Panel->Appearance->Panel Background->Enable transparency
[12:13] <Mose`> but then just panel looks transparent, but the taskbar isn't
[12:14] <dgtl> well that's all i know sry
[12:18] <hussam> dgtl: apt-get install kdevelop
[12:18] <hussam> dgtl: Kdevelop 3.2.1 is called kdevelop and not kdevelop3
[12:19] <menele> hi
[12:19] <Mose`> hi
[12:20] <menele> the contents of the /tmp/kde-sessionname dir are deleted after rebooting the system or so?
[12:20] <nikkia> menele: on [k] ubuntu, all of /tmp is wiped on reboot
[12:21] <menele> as I thought :( damm...I've lost 4 iso images :( 
[12:21] <menele> my own fault :(
[12:53] <nikkia> morning apokaway
[12:53] <nikkia> morning apokryphos7, even
[01:00] <Mose`> i get this error when i type ./configure trying to install an app - "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!". What are those X includes?
[01:27] <nikkia> apokryphos7: are you around?
[01:59] <Mac38DO> Hi! What about the new firefox-version for ubuntu? I heard, that it is not ok...
[02:01] <jpatrick> No you can't access the addon pages
[02:01] <jpatrick> but there's a walk around
[02:02] <jpatrick> nikkia!
[02:02] <nikkia> looks like LFS is the way for me :(
[02:03] <jpatrick> Linux From Scratch?
[02:03] <nikkia> yeah
[02:03] <nikkia> [k] ubuntu is letting me down on the 'too many packages older than the hills' front
[02:03] <Mac38DO> ok, thanx
[02:04] <jpatrick> I'm sticking to Kubuntu for now and am not planning on changing
[02:04] <nikkia> jpatrick: and as with almost all distros, i end up fighting the package system, rather than it helping me
[02:05] <jpatrick> why fight?
[02:05] <nikkia> jpatrick: because i need features from newer versions of packages
[02:05] <jpatrick> ah
[02:07] <hussam> nikkia: why not just upgrade to breezy? I will be upgrading to breezy in mid August ( should be a bit stable by then )
[02:08] <nikkia> hussam: because it still isn't 'right', and i'll still be fighting the package manager
[02:08] <CJ-Away> hi all
[02:08] <othernoob> is there a mplayer plugin for Opera or *should* the one for mozilla work with Opera as well?
[02:08] <nikkia> hussam: for example, the printer drivers are still far too old for the printer i have to work 100%
[02:08] <hussam> nikkia: so you would rather try being on source.
[02:08] <hussam> nikkia: try gentoo.
[02:09] <nikkia> hussam: nah, its still the same problem in the end, i'll wager
[02:09] <nikkia> hussam: i might as well just go LFS, i know what i'm doing :)
[02:09] <Court-Jus> i've got a problem, i just installed kubuntu and during the installation, the network was not available so it didn't install the whole "language" thing, now my kubuntu is in english instead of french can anybody help me ?
[02:09] <hussam> nikkia: if you want to have the very latest of everything, try Fedora rawhide.
[02:10] <nikkia> hussam: its not just 'the latest'
[02:10] <nikkia> hussam: linus has ****ed the kernel parameters for audio users
[02:10] <hussam> it's the development tree of fedora
[02:10] <nikkia> hussam: the recent kernels are all optimised for laptop users
[02:11] <nikkia> hussam: unfortunately, that optimisation (setting HZ to 250) screws the kernel for audio use
[02:11] <nikkia> hussam: there are other examples where defaults are just 'wrong' for what i need :/
[02:12] <jpatrick> I've tried Gentoo....
[02:12] <hussam> can't distro makers just change the defaults?
[02:12] <nikkia> hussam: they COULD
[02:12] <nikkia> hussam: but they aren't likely to
[02:12] <hussam> I haven't tried gentoo myself, but I heard stuff about it.
[02:13] <nikkia> hussam: setting HZ to 250 has little impact on average users, so why mess with it ?
[02:13] <hussam> nikkia: some do like SuSE, they change a lot in their kernels.
[02:13] <nikkia> hussam: i've never had much success with suse in the past, so its not on my list of distros to try again :)
[02:14] <jpatrick> I couldn't install Gentoo
[02:14] <jpatrick> kept telling me LiveCD
[02:14] <jpatrick> even tho I downloaded the install ISO
[02:15] <hussam> nikkia: same here. I tried suse 9.1 it's terribly slow and is built around YaST2. YaST is good but not when it runs at boot.
[02:16] <hussam> Besides Novell is becoming a second MS
[02:16] <jpatrick> yep
[02:17] <nikkia> anyway, i'm gonna have another go at getting vmware's network drivers compiled, so i'll probably kernel panic again :P
[02:18] <hussam> nikkia: It worked for me. I got the vmware kernel module compiled.
[02:18] <nikkia> hussam, it worked with an ubuntu kernel here....
[02:18] <nikkia> but i'm using 2.6.12 for some features
[02:18] <nikkia> and modprobing the vmnet modules causes a kernel panic
[02:19] <nikkia> there it goes again :/
[02:19] <hussam> 2.6.12 from breezy or you compiled it yourself?
[02:19] <nikkia> compiled myself
[02:19] <nikkia> looks like vmnet* aren't compatible with the pre-empt patch
[02:20] <hussam> when you compile a kernel yourself, can you remove it later if you want to compile a newer version?
[02:20] <nikkia> hussam, sure
[02:20] <nikkia> hussam, even if you don't use the package system, building a kernel doesn't really create any files that aren't easy to track
[02:21] <nikkia> the kernel build process only really creates /lib/modules/$(VERSION)/*
[02:21] <hussam> ah ok.
[02:21] <nikkia> that and the kernel image/map files that you copy wherever you want (usually /boot)
[02:22] <Mose`> hey,how to make my taskbar (on panel) look transparent?
[02:22] <nikkia> anyway, need to reboot again to fix this kernel panic
[02:23] <hussam> ok
[02:23] <nikkia> actually, no i don't
[02:23] <nikkia> managed to make my root shell wake up
[02:23] <hussam> Mose`: right click on taskbar > configure panel > appearance
[02:24] <hussam> nikkia: are you running kde 3.4.1 from kubuntu.org ?
[02:24] <nikkia> no
[02:25] <hussam> home compiled?
[02:25] <nikkia> no
[02:25] <hussam> 3.4.0 ?
[02:25] <nikkia> yeah
[02:26] <nikkia> anyway, i DO need to reboot now, brb
[02:27] <jpatrick> I might try Mandrake
[02:28] <gianni> hello, does any one know how i can mount a partition on login?
[02:33] <othernoob> jpatrick: you're not happy with ubuntu?
[02:36] <jpatrick> I am
[02:36] <jpatrick> just the sound thing's a problem
[02:39] <othernoob> care to elaborate?
[02:40] <apokryphos> My internet doesn't actually disconnect these days; no idea why IRC persists on resetting
[02:41] <jpatrick> how?
[02:43] <relas> if i create a new kde-user. the new user gets a dialoge on his first login to edit some styles. how to start this assistan later on?
[02:43] <apokryphos> (jpatrick: me? )
[02:43] <jpatrick> no
[02:43] <jpatrick> othernoob
[02:44] <othernoob> well, what sound thing jpatrick ?
[02:45] <jpatrick> there's no sound at all...
[02:45] <nikkia> othernoob: probably the same sound problems everyone else has, ie, a mismash of things colliding with each other :)
[02:46] <jpatrick> yep
[02:46] <othernoob> nikkia: i don't have a sound problem afaik :/
[02:46] <othernoob> i feel left out :/
[02:46] <othernoob> not fair :(
[02:46] <jpatrick> lol
[02:48] <apokryphos7> argh, I don't believe this. Must be down to konversation. 
[02:50] <Dfly> hello
[02:51] <Dfly> I'm testing Kubuntu
[02:51] <Dfly> It dont work
[02:54] <Dfly> do you know how to change language to french ?
[02:56] <void-> Is there a way to tell ALSA to use the second card instead of the first as default?
[02:57] <nikkia> void, yes
[02:57] <nikkia> void, make pcm.!default  point to hw:1 in asound.conf
[03:00] <void-> ok, thanks
[03:03] <othernoob> heh, weird, apparently the usage of hdb is 26%.. hdb is a 120gb hdd with 70GB of data.. i may not be the best at math..but something's fishy.
[03:04] <jpatrick> According to superkaramba my HD is stuck on 9033MBs :-/
[03:05] <nikkia> othernoob: its been said before, but konqueror's 'disk usage' module is broken, it lies
[03:06] <Riddell> anthony mercatante about?
[03:10] <othernoob> nikkia: but why does it only lie about hdb? 
[03:10] <nikkia> othernoob: it probably isn't only lying about hdb, but the difference on the other drive(s) may not be so noticable
[03:10] <apokryphos> hey nikkia :)
[03:10] <othernoob> nikkia: mmh, well the % on the other ones is correct..weird
[03:10] <nikkia> othernoob: i'm not quite sure why its wrong, but it seems to be related to which files it looks at *shrug*
[03:11] <nikkia> hi apokryphos
[03:11] <apokryphos> nikkia: I have four night shifts planned in a row, and they just asked me to cover another shift; no thanks. It's gettin' real hard for people who usually travel through c. london
[03:13] <apokryphos> on another note - I won the iriver bid *woo*. It's coming in a few days. Finally a possible alternative to tv/reading at work
[03:16] <nikkia> apokryphos: heh
[03:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: i apparently won a lifetime subscription to 'seasons holidays'...
[03:17] <nikkia> still can't really tell if its a scam or not tho
[03:17] <nikkia> its a 0800 number to claim my prize tho, so i suppose as long as they don't ask for bank details...
[03:18] <apokryphos> nikkia: they'll ask you to press 1 after the beep, and transfer you to a 0906 etc no ;-)
[03:18] <othernoob> why would you win a prize if you didn't try to win it?...
[03:19] <apokryphos> othernoob: they're that generous!
[03:19] <othernoob> for some reason i dont believe in generosity..
[03:21] <nikkia> othernoob: i'm signed up on a competition site, i enter most things without even looking at what it is :)
[03:21] <nikkia> which is where i won the prize, apparently
[03:21] <apokryphos> heh
[03:21] <othernoob> ah :)
[03:21] <apokryphos> Do you do the lottery too?
[03:21] <nikkia> but from what i'm reading online, they do charge a yearly fee to maintain your account, despite you 'winning'
[03:22] <othernoob> lol
[03:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: yes, and win 125% of my stake, usually
[03:22] <othernoob> what a sur*prize*
[03:22] <apokryphos> nikkia: I think I'd rather stick to fruit machines 8)
[03:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: i've won somewhere around 200 on the lottery this year, and spent a total of around 120
[03:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: i wouldn't, i KNOW they're rigged, the lottery isn't
[03:23] <apokryphos> hehe
[03:23] <apokryphos> nikkia: thing is, people win once and then get confident and go on ad infinitum thinking hey, I'm gonna win again
[03:23] <othernoob> i wouldn't if i won the lottery ;)
[03:24] <jatos> hi
[03:25] <jpatrick> hi
[03:25] <apokryphos> sorry about that; was actually the Internet that time
[03:29] <ch> hola a todos
[03:30] <jpatrick> ch: #kubuntu-es
[03:31] <apokryphos> nikkia: so you having probs with package system?
[03:32] <apokryphos> (why aren't you running 3.4.1 btw? There's quite a few fixes in there)
[03:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: only the headache of trying to deal with 12 month old packages that lack required features, and not being able to compile newer versions by hand unless accepting that the packages will be broken
[03:34] <apokryphos> I actually agree that they could do more work with up-to-date packages. I couldn't help interpreting their idea for multiverse to "just get everything in there", not stressing updates as much. 
[03:34] <apokryphos> If they're important programs you should put in suggestions for them to update on the wiki
[03:34] <apokryphos> on motu page if they're in Universe/Multiverse
[03:35] <apokryphos> but suffice it to say, it's been the best package management system of the distros I've used so far. Not perfect, but still very great.
[03:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: it doesn't help that the new policy with backports is *not* to backport stuff that has an active maintainer in the main respositories
[03:40] <apokryphos> yeah :(
[03:40] <jatos> does anyone here know what I need to put in sources.list file to connect to the debian-sarge repos's?
[03:40] <apokryphos> hopefully those people actually doing the backports with that repo will grow
[03:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm thinking i might be better off just going with a LFS-style system
[03:41] <apokryphos> nikkia: how come? Is it good?
[03:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: that way i at least know that i'm not going to break the packages, and i get to use what i want
[03:41] <apokryphos> A lot more hassle though, I'm sure.
[03:41] <nikkia> sure
[03:41] <nikkia> but its how i worked with linux for several years, basically
[03:41] <nikkia> i'd start from a slackware snapshot, then build everything from source myself
[03:42] <apokryphos> Are there that many outdated packs?
[03:42] <apokryphos> 12-month-vital ones, that is
[03:42] <nikkia> somewhere around 2001 i convinced myself that it was pointless, and that i might be better off using a managed package system (i ended up with debian based because of apt-get)
[03:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: 'vital' is a subjective term :)
[03:43] <nikkia> what is vital for you, isn't necessarily vital for me, and vice versa
[03:43] <apokryphos> Not entirely subjective; I'd say packages can quite often be intersubjective among linux users
[03:43] <nikkia> i consider sqllite vital, because i'm writing stuff that uses it, and being unable to use half of the keywords because its an old broken version isn't good :)
[03:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: well, ok, the core packages aren't THAT old, i suppose
[03:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: the other issue is the kernel....
[03:44] <apokryphos> You should let them know about the sqllite packs. I'm not sure how long it'll take them to do it. Could be really speedy if someone takes the initiative, could be long.
[03:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: now linus has deemed we all need laptop-like performance on it, and the ubuntu kernels are 'near default', it makes the kernel packages useless to someone wanting to do audio
[03:45] <apokryphos> I thought Linux was worse for laptop support
[03:45] <apokryphos> Do you not compile your own, though?
[03:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: they're updated in breezy...
[03:45] <buz> is there any point after which breezy is mostly stable?
[03:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: linus uses a laptop for linux, thus he has deemed that the kernel must run with HZ=250 by default...
[03:46] <apokryphos> It doesn't help that I want a few things that are in breezy :P
[03:46] <buz> ie RC1 or something like that
[03:46] <apokryphos> buz: there's a schedule on the wiki, I believe
[03:46] <buz> thing i want the most (a working system) lacks in breezy
[03:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: 4mS latency on audio just from the schedular == sucky
[03:46] <apokryphos> nikkia: have people not called him out on it? What's his response?
[03:47] <nikkia> apokryphos: his response is 'it improves battery life on laptops, i use a laptop, so stfu'
[03:47] <apokryphos> admittedly I didn't know Linus was still that active :P
[03:47] <nikkia> apokryphos: and yes, there has been heated words over it, but the decision has been made
[03:47] <apokryphos> :S
[03:47] <nikkia> you *need* to build your own kernel if you need 1mS accurate timing
[03:48] <apokryphos> you not thought of raising the issue with ubuntu?
[03:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: its not even a 'fix' for *using* linux on laptops....
[03:48] <nikkia> the issue is about how much battery power a suspended linux takes
[03:48] <apokryphos> :|
[03:48] <apokryphos> get thee a charger =)
[03:48] <nikkia> if HZ=1000, then the battery time in suspended mode is lower than with HZ=250 or HZ=100
[03:48] <apokryphos> would it even really save that much?
[03:49] <nikkia> apokryphos: apparently, its close to a factor of 4 :P
[03:50] <nikkia> when the kernel is suspended/sleeping, it still receives a timer interrupt at the frequency of HZ, so HZ=1000 (the old 2.6 default) is 4 times more than HZ=250 (the new 2.6 default) and 10 times more than HZ=100 (the 2.4 and prior default)
[03:51] <frank> well the default sounds reasonable. Half the computer sales are laptops and how many people do fancy audio stuff?
[03:51] <apokryphos> Half the sales are laptops? I don't think so.
[03:51] <frank> yes they are.
[03:51] <nikkia> frank, HZ=250 will affect more than just audio, but audio users are the most demanding about timing accuracy
[03:51] <frank> maybe for consumer sales
[03:52] <apokryphos> Hm, maybe in the US (some news articles indicate). 
[03:52] <nikkia> you can't accurately play back video with HZ=250, but i doubt most will notice
[03:52] <nikkia> well, ok, you can accurately play back PAL video :)
[03:52] <frank> what a difference! :)
[03:53] <nikkia> frank, NTSC video will play back at 31.25 fps on HZ=250, rather than 29.97fps
[03:53] <nikkia> that might not sound much, but it matters if you're capturing video
[03:53] <frank> really? I didn't know that
[03:54] <nikkia> frank, you cannot accurately get a 33mS frame time with 4mS timer accuracy :)
[03:55] <nikkia> PAL video at 40mS frames should be ok, cos its just 10 timer ticks, but still
[03:56] <nikkia> anyway, the point is, that audio use requires a custom kernel build, and not just because of the HZ issue, there's also the fact that jackd runs terribly without realtime-lsm
[03:56] <frank> ok
[03:57] <nikkia> so, it boils down to 'fight against apt' or 'just accept that my usage requires so much customisation that an off-the-shelf package system doesn't fit'
[03:58] <nikkia> (i also need gutenprint for its newer drivers)
[03:59] <nikkia> checkinstall works great where you have a single package, or no dependancy from kubuntu-desktop ...
[03:59] <nikkia> but when something is spread over a handful of packages, and kubuntu-desktop depends on them all, it gets nasty
[04:00] <frank> just out of curiousity, what is the timing resolution of Windows, Macs?
[04:00] <nikkia> frank, mac doesn't really rely on timing for audio
[04:01] <nikkia> frank, OSX uses a callback system that removes a need for interrupt driven timing...
[04:01] <nikkia> windows prior to '98 was hard to guage, it didn't really have accurate timers below 10mS or so, 98 added 1mS timers as an option, and they made all the difference for audio....
[04:02] <buz> mhh it was good enough to watch pr0n so it sold
[04:02] <nikkia> XP has a per-program timing system, you can request timing accuracy down to close-to-1uS accuracy
[04:04] <frank> I see
[04:24] <jpatrick> StickofCheese!
[04:25] <PaloDeQueso> I can't seem to get a static ip address working on my kubuntu box. I added dns servers to resolv.conf and I used kcontrol to change from dhcp to manual
[04:25] <PaloDeQueso> is there anything else I should know about?
[04:25] <PaloDeQueso> it is I.
[04:26] <PaloDeQueso> I'm trying to get work done at the office with my own computer but I can't get the internet working and I'm doing some web dev. Help a brother out!
[04:26] <jpatrick> do you speak spanish?
[04:27] <PaloDeQueso> no
[04:27] <jpatrick> oh
[04:27] <PaloDeQueso> can you help me?
[04:28] <aseigo> PaloDeQueso: what does your /etc/network/interfaces file say?
[04:30] <PaloDeQueso> one second
[04:30] <PaloDeQueso> which part?
[04:32] <aseigo> PaloDeQueso: iface eth0
[04:50] <nikkia> right, thats all the core packages dl'ed for a LFS :)
[04:50] <sproingie> why is libarts perpetually broken for upgrade?
[04:50] <sproingie> keeps saying i have a missing dependency.  seems to work ok still, but it's annoying
[04:51] <apokryphos> nikkia: you leaving us? :|
[04:51] <nikkia> apokryphos: probably
[04:51] <jpatrick> nooooooooo
[04:51] <jpatrick> ;)
[04:51] <jpatrick> damn shame..
[04:51] <nikkia> jpatrick: i just can't bear trying to work around packages anymore :/
[04:52] <nikkia> jpatrick: and i doubt very much that i'll be welcome if i'm not running [k] ubuntu :)
[04:52] <apokryphos> nikkia: ok, good luck :). Be sure to still drop by =)
[04:52] <apokryphos> nikkia: erm, of course you will be
[04:52] <nikkia> (altho i'll be leaving it on my laptop anyway, as my requirements there aren't so strict)
[04:52] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm not going for a while anyway
[04:53] <Mose`> with what (how) to apply kdm themes?
[04:53] <nikkia> i'm not stupid enough to try building/running a LFS setup on a live system :)
[04:53] <apokryphos> Mose`: you have to edit kdmrc and then point to the location of the theme
[04:53] <Mose`> where's that kdmrc?
[04:53] <apokryphos> Mose`: or you can use a program made for it; somewhere on kdelook.org
[04:53] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm going to set it up and verify its all right on a vmware session, then if everything goes right, copy the files across to a real drive :)
[04:54] <apokryphos> nikkia: cool. LFS sounds like a real learning mission; I'll have to put that down as a future mission
[04:54] <apokryphos> Mose`: /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc for you probably
[04:54] <Mose`> mhm
[04:55] <nikkia> apokryphos: its not so different from what i did between '92 and 2001ish, really, i just never built *everything* from scratch before in one go
[04:55] <apokryphos> I should be more adventurous
[04:56] <apokryphos> not that much need for me to be though -- maybe that's a testament to how Linux is changing; would be nice to know all the stuff though.
[04:56] <nikkia> my god, thats new, first time i've ever heard the media use the 'those that sacrifice freedom for security...' line
[04:57] <apokryphos> heh
[04:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: it was CNN too, the mind wobbles!
[04:58] <sproingie> nikkia: yah they're steamed because of judith miller in jail, so NOW they get ben franklin on us
[04:59] <apokryphos> nikkia: you read CNN? :P
[04:59] <sproingie> i can only say such a gesture is irony at this point.  too little too late
[04:59] <nikkia> apokryphos: no
[04:59] <nikkia> apokryphos: SO is watching CNN in the other room, i'm supposed to be working :P
[04:59] <nikkia> erm, anyway, need to reboot so i can start this LFS stuff :P
[05:00] <nikkia> (vmware kernel panics on this custom kernel, remember :)
[05:00] <apokryphos> distractions :P
[05:00] <apokryphos> good thing that the summer is just a time of guilt-free distractions
[05:00] <apokryphos> (for me :P)
[05:05] <nikkia> right
[05:26] <supernix> WASSUP
[05:27] <supernix> Hiya nikkia and apokryphos 
[05:27] <nikkia> hi supernix
[05:28] <supernix> Have they released a doc on how to secure Kubuntu ?
[05:31] <Mose`> yo
[05:32] <supernix> sup mose
[05:35] <Mose`> how to make my taskbar (not a panel) transparent? (Appearance->Enable Transparency doesn't work for taskbar)
[05:35] <Mose`> ?
[05:35] <Mose`> :}
[05:39] <Mose`> then maybe someone knows how to change the KMenu icon without any other apps?
[05:39] <Mose`> :}
[05:45] <Riggzy_Linux> Hey - just wondering, anyone here know how to enable surround sound on Enemy Territory?
[05:45] <kalenedrael> Mose`
[05:46] <kalenedrael> right-click ont he taskbar
[05:46] <kalenedrael> on the
[05:46] <kalenedrael> select 'configure panel'
[05:46] <Mose`> mhm
[05:46] <kalenedrael> layout -> advanced -> transparency
[05:47] <kalenedrael> er
[05:47] <kalenedrael> layout -> appearance -> transparency
[05:47] <Mose`> that doen't work for taskbar
[05:47] <aseigo> Riggzy_Linux: search on the ubuntu forums
[05:47] <aseigo> Riggzy_Linux: the answers are there
[05:47] <kalenedrael> umm, yes it does
[05:47] <aseigo> Mose`: in 3.5 it does =)
[05:47] <Riggzy_Linux> aseigo - lol
[05:47] <aseigo> kalenedrael: he means the taskbar buttons
[05:47] <kalenedrael> oh
[05:48] <kalenedrael> what taskbar buttons?
[05:48] <Mose`> those windows bars
[05:48] <aseigo> Mose`: in between now and then you can use taskbarv2 from kde-apps.org if you really want that in 3.4
[05:48] <kalenedrael> oh
[05:48] <kalenedrael> those things
[05:48] <aseigo> yeah.. ppl want those trans as well
[05:48] <kalenedrael> wow
[05:56] <Riggzy_Linux> Ack - in KMix, noting shows up inder "Inputs"
[05:57] <Mose`> mhm, taskbarv2 workde and did what i wanted, thanks aseigo 
[05:57] <Mose`> *worked
[05:57] <aseigo> Mose`: and in 3.5 you won't need it
[05:57] <martinjh99> Aaron is Plasma going to be in 3.5?
[05:58] <aseigo> no
[05:58] <aseigo> it's kde4 stuff
[05:58] <apokryphos> [belated]  supernix: hi :)
[05:58] <martinjh99> Cool...  Keep up the very good work ;)  Looking forward 4 and later...
[05:58] <aseigo> kicker looks and works a lot nicer in 3.5, but... yeah... no plasma until 4
[05:59] <Riggzy_Linux> anyone know why there arent any inputs in ym KMixer? I cant seem to select anything as a recording device in alsamixer either
[05:59] <apokryphos> aseigo: what other improvements are there gonna be?
[05:59] <martinjh99>  Riggsy>Sound card module not loaded?
[06:00] <apokryphos> I noticed the "hover-over" affects were extended to more than just the quick-launch
[06:00] <Riggzy_Linux> martinjg99 , how do I load it? (bit of a newbie)
[06:00] <martinjh99> Emmm depends on your soundcard - SHould be loaded automatically at boot.
[06:01] <apokryphos> Also just realised that "kicker" seems to be more a backend name for the panel
[06:01] <Riggzy_Linux> everythnig else is working great... when i boot up I get an error saying its defaulting to the null sound device
[06:01] <Riggzy_Linux> but none the leess everything works ;-)
[06:02] <aseigo> apokryphos: in 3.5?
[06:02] <martinjh99> Thats KDE starting yes??  
[06:02] <Riggzy_Linux> yes
[06:02] <aseigo> apokryphos: yes.. kicker is the panels.
[06:02] <Riggzy_Linux> ah - just noticed, all he working sound rpograms are using OSS
[06:02] <Riggzy_Linux> darn it
[06:02] <aseigo> Riggzy_Linux: that would be because aRts can't talk to your sound card. try fiddling with things in the sound system control panel
[06:02] <apokryphos> aseigo: ? Confused. Isn't kicker *the* KDE panel?
[06:03] <apokryphos> aseigo: yah, 3.5
[06:03] <apokryphos> Any idea if khotnewstuff for icons/themes/decorations is gonna be in for 3.5, too?
[06:04] <aseigo> apokryphos: kicker is the kde panel, yes.. but you can more than one of them =)
[06:04] <apokryphos> sure
[06:05] <aseigo> so..3.5.. kicker
[06:05] <Riggzy_Linux> Turning off full duelplex has got ALSA working... but still no inputs =/
[06:05] <martinjh99> I have two... ;) One autohide app launcher panel and the standard default one!
[06:05] <apokryphos> I just didn't realise that kicker seems to be the backend name for it. Found it more odd that the handbook says that kicker is the "application launcher"... seems like much more than that to me. 
[06:05] <aseigo> transparent taskbar, drag and drop in the pager, nicer pager rendering, the mouse overs are now available just about everywhere (clock, pager, taskbar)
[06:05] <aseigo> the new add applets dialog
[06:06] <aseigo> there's a Lock Panel item in the context menu for quick locking/unlocking
[06:06] <apokryphos> Nice. Noticed a lot of those from svn; apart from transparent which currently couldn't get working because kcontrol wouldn't display page with those options. Will compile again soon
[06:06] <aseigo> autoretract feature for systray when you expand it to show hidden icons and then leave
[06:06] <apokryphos> The new "Add Panel.." reminded me of gnome straight away ;-). But I do think it's pretty cool
[06:06] <aseigo> a fair number of optimizations a fixes
[06:08] <martinjh99> SOunds cool.... ;)  Orns should I say kool... ;)
[06:08] <Riggzy_Linux> lo
[06:08] <Riggzy_Linux> lol*
[06:08] <martinjh99> Heehee
[06:08] <Riggzy_Linux> Dang this is annoying... no inputs = no skype =/
[06:09] <Riggzy_Linux> Audacity seems to like recording right from the sound engine though
[06:09] <apokryphos> Gah, sorry about that
[06:09] <apokryphos> aseigo: got d/c. Would've missed anything you said after " fair number of optimizations a fixes" (sorry)
[06:09] <aseigo> apokryphos: didn't say anything much after that =)
[06:10] <apokryphos> ok
[06:12] <Riggzy_Linux> XMMS dosent like ALSA much ;-)
[06:12] <gustins> hey people
[06:12] <gustins> :_)
[06:12] <gustins> ho r u?
[06:12] <Riggzy_Linux> heya
[06:13] <gustins> where r u from?
[06:13] <Riggzy_Linux> the UK =)
[06:13] <gustins> :)
[06:13] <gustins> i'm from latvia
[06:16] <gustins> what r u doing, now?
[06:17] <Riggzy_Linux> jsut gonna play Enemy Territory - bbl
[06:17] <gustins> :)
[06:25] <nikkia> nooooooooo!!!!
[06:25] <gustins> :)
[06:26] <nikkia> 'Boss: well, now you're our resident java expert, you can be the one that fullfills our contractual obligation with [insert java company customer name here]  for 3 more java games this year'
[06:27] <apokryphos> hah
[06:28] <nikkia> i need to   suck at my job more :(
[06:28] <apokryphos> nikkia: what's java like to work with?
[06:29] <nikkia> apokryphos: i haven't done much of anything in the last 30 minutes, as vmware's using 100% cpu building LFS
[06:29] <nikkia> apokryphos: not too bad, really
[06:32] <apokryphos> nikkia: out of interest, have you always used kde?
[06:33] <nikkia> no, of course not
[06:33] <nikkia> KDE wasn't even an option when i started using linux :P
[06:34] <nikkia> and i didn't consider it really usable in the early days, so i used gnome up until about 2002
[06:35] <TestMAD> whats the best programming language for a beginner to learn?
[06:35] <apokryphos> TestMAD: different people will tell you different things. I tried a bit of python once and found that pretty cool
[06:35] <nikkia> testmad, python
[06:35] <apokryphos> in comparison to c++ at least; results are more immediate, it seems
[06:35] <TestMAD> k..cus all i know right now is basic
[06:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: that's exactly why i suggest it as a learning language
[06:36] <TestMAD> and i tried to learn c and that was a headache
[06:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: you don't have to wait a few seconds to see what something does, and you can easily try different things without headache
[06:36] <apokryphos> !pytutorial
[06:37] <ubotu> I guess pytutorial is at http://www.hetland.org/python/instant-hacking.php
[06:37] <apokryphos> TestMAD: that's meant to be good
[06:37] <TestMAD> went on to c++ and i found out that c teaches one way to do things..but then c++ will say never do it like that..aparently c teaches bad coding habits
[06:37] <nikkia> other interpreted-like languages are equally useful for learning, lisp/scheme is good too, but python is more readable for self-learning
[06:37] <apokryphos> nikkia: yeah, I like the way you can just hit python and start trying stuff out
[06:38] <nikkia> testmad, C puts a lot of emphasis on pointers, especially with strings, and in C++ you're *generally* better off avoiding pointers, that's the only thing i can think of that the language itself pushes that could be considered 'bad'
[06:38] <nikkia> C strings are abysmal, they've always been abysmal, ASCIZ was always the worst of the competing ASCII standards for string encoding :)
[06:39] <nikkia> the ASCIN family are a better choice, IMO
[06:39] <TestMAD> plus when i was working with the windows api's and c++ i found that there were lots of ways to do the same things..there wasnt a standard to the code..
[06:40] <nikkia> (although ASCIN (ie, ASCIN1) is painful on modern software, but 255 character long strings wasn't a bad limitation in the 80s
[06:40] <nikkia> ASCI$ is no better than ASCIZ however
[06:41] <TestMAD> well..let me get to readin now..thnx nikkia
[06:43] <nikkia> wb apokryphos
[06:44] <apokryphos> nikkia: it's funny how my router can be beautiful/great for months without a disconnection, and then have one evil day with zillions of d/c's
[06:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: you know, you're not helping my confidence in having requested a bulldog DSL connection :)
[06:44] <apokryphos> nikkia: hehe, no, it's great, really!
[06:44] <nikkia> i'm already aware  ofhow bada  mistake it was signing up with them
[06:44] <apokryphos> 8meg is hard to ignore :P
[06:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: at the rate i'm going, i'll never get it anyway
[06:44] <nikkia> my connection status has been going *backwards* for the last week
[06:45] <apokryphos> Just after we signed up we were really annoyed; there were some hassles, they were blaming it on BT etc. then once we got it we were, suffice it tosay, surprised with the speed. 
[06:45] <nikkia> was at 'arranging connection date' last sunday
[06:45] <nikkia> now at 'testing line quality' (step 2)
[06:45] <apokryphos> Yeah, they seem to be bad with setting up. You should phone and hassle them, and if that doens't work write an email to the manager
[06:46] <apokryphos> funnily enough, it started working within 2 hours of me doing that :P
[06:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: according t othe forums, i tdoes no good :(
[06:46] <nikkia> some people have been waiting, and calling and hassling every day, for 6 months+
[06:46] <apokryphos> Yeouch
[06:46] <nikkia> they're the lucky ones
[06:46] <apokryphos> I think those might be more freak-cases, but the fact that they exist then again is a little shocking.
[06:47] <nikkia> the unlucky ones got a connection, but have dead phone line + no DSL
[06:47] <apokryphos> All my other friends who have it didn't actually have any problems; though could be because of London
[06:47] <TestMAD> can python be used to makle DLL's?
[06:47] <nikkia> well, it does say 5-12 weekss etup, so i'm not really complaining yet
[06:47] <supernix> Does anyone know anything about the Evolution email client here ?
[06:48] <apokryphos> I really dislike the website they have now
[06:48] <nikkia> testmad, it can be done, but its hard
[06:48] <TestMAD> heh.
[06:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: the website update was when i started going backwards
[06:48] <apokryphos> before they had a really great one with some cool javascript I thought. Now it's like a rebellious teenager's site :P
[06:49] <nikkia> apokryphos: btw, i only signed up on the 2nd, so i'm not even past my 5  inthe 5-12 weeks bit :)
[06:49] <apokryphos> heh
[06:49] <nikkia> hence why i'm not complaining, but am getting a little worried
[06:50] <apokryphos> We can just hope it'll pan out then, I guess. Speed is the greatest part
[06:50] <nikkia> (as for my typing being bad, vmware sucking cpu causes the inpuut bffers to go funny)
[06:50] <apokryphos> 4meg originally  -- 8 times faster, quite amazing. Then we get an email about a free upgrade to 8meg =). Downloading around 1meg/sec -- no complaints. :P
[06:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm on 2M atm
[06:50] <nikkia> was on 4M when i lived in the US for a while
[06:50] <apokryphos> who with?
[06:51] <nikkia> ntl
[06:51] <apokryphos> Yikes. We had them when we were on 56k; we got annoyed with them for some reason, which I don't remember at all now; odd.
[06:51] <nikkia> when i was in the US, the telco turned the limits on the DSL off for 3 months
[06:51] <apokryphos> whatever we get it's still nothing compared to what people in Finland/Switzerland and even French seem to get. 
[06:52] <apokryphos> Spoken to some guys on IRC that get 25 megabit connections for less than I pay. :|
[06:52] <nikkia> apokryphos: i think they make all that up, to sound superior :)
[06:52] <apokryphos> nikkia: turned off the limits, as in... bandwidth limit or speed limit?
[06:52] <nikkia> 'erm, yeah, we get 1Tb/s, we so better than you!!'
[06:52] <buz> switzerland?
[06:52] <nikkia> apokryphos: speed limit, there was no bandwidth limit
[06:53] <buz> i pay 50? for 2mbit
[06:53] <buz> i dont call that cheap
[06:53] <apokryphos> Perhaps. Got a friend in Canada who insists he downloads faster than he can transfer because he has a fibre-something backbone connection in his appartments
[06:53] <apokryphos> nikkia: woah, how did they manage that, and what kinda speeds were you getting?
[06:53] <apokryphos> Router I have now only handles 8megabit, so I guess limitless speed wouldn't do too much
[06:53] <nikkia> apokryphos: before the turn-off, 768kbps
[06:54] <nikkia> after, 3.5Mbs
[06:54] <apokryphos> Only thing I wish is for upload speed to be better
[06:54] <apokryphos> pathetic 0.4megabit now
[06:54] <nikkia> then 3 months later, they turned the liimts back on,  and left everyone  at 2.5Mbps
[06:54] <buz> mhh same here
[06:54] <apokryphos> they don't want any servers being run :P
[06:54] <nikkia> when the limits were off, upload was 1Mbps
[06:54] <apokryphos> nice
[06:54] <buz> its one way to curb bittorrent use
[06:54] <nikkia> when they came  backon, 800kbps
[06:54] <buz> not too shabby either
[06:55] <nikkia> it was weird going from 768/128 to 3.5/1 overnight
[06:55] <apokryphos> I bet making it limitless originally brought a lot of customers
[06:55] <supernix> anyone here use evolution for their email client ?
[06:55] <nikkia> i literally noticed things were going too fast, so looked at the modem's config
[06:55] <buz> no
[06:55] <aseigo> supernix: kontact here
[06:56] <buz> i was quite surprised when the bumped 600 to 2000 here about 1,5 years ago as well
[06:56] <nikkia> apokryphos: thing is, the limits being  offwasn't official
[06:56] <apokryphos> Was it an actual accident, or a purposeful unanounced type of decision?
[06:56] <nikkia> i  waspetrified of turning off the modem and losing the h/s connection for 2 months
[06:56] <supernix> aseigo: I see but that is Kmail which I am still curious how well it works I have tried it on occassions
[06:57] <apokryphos> supernix: it's very good
[06:57] <nikkia> then they announced that they were upgrgadin eevryone to 2M/800k in a month's time
[06:57] <aseigo> supernix: what are you using it with? pop3? imap? a groupware server?
[06:57] <supernix> I am still trying to figure out how to get the spam filtering working 100%
[06:57] <aseigo> supernix: what issues did you have in the past?
[06:57] <supernix> POP3
[06:57] <supernix> You mean with Kmail aseigo ?
[06:58] <supernix> My server does have spamassasin on it
[06:58] <aseigo> yeah, the annoying thing with client-side spam filtering and kmail is that it is blocking (so evertime spamd looks over a mail the UI freezes for that period of time)
[06:58] <aseigo> oh.. then what's the problem? =) 
[06:58] <aseigo> just filter on the spam header it inserts and voila
[06:58] <apokryphos> nikkia: do you think all other BB companies in UK are gonna start with highger download speeds now? I notice ukonline offer 8megabit now, too
[06:58] <supernix> But that only marks all the spam it detects as SPAM in the title
[06:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: ukonline were first, technically
[06:59] <aseigo> no no.. the actual spam value header it inserts
[06:59] <apokryphos> oh
[07:00] <nikkia> apokryphos: but i dunno, until the non-LLU companies move beyond 2Mbps i don't think so
[07:00] <supernix> I like it filtered on my side that way I can control things better
[07:00] <nikkia> UKOL  and BD are both LLU
[07:00] <apokryphos> nikkia: an article I read in the Metro suggested that the high prices in the UK for low speeds was down to BT somehow
[07:00] <nikkia> apokryphos: they are
[07:00] <supernix> But buddy let me tell you if you tell it to scan your mail box and apply the spam filter it freezes that sucker up for a while
[07:00] <apokryphos> nikkia: LLU? 
[07:00] <aseigo> supernix: so, for instance, filter on X-Spam-Flag
[07:00] <aseigo> supernix: and drop it all into your spam folder =)
[07:00] <nikkia> apokryphos: Line something unbundling
[07:00] <aseigo> supernix: and what exactly do you "control better" with having spamd local?
[07:00] <nikkia> apokryphos: too mve to UKOL or BD, they have to physically disconnect your line from BT's switch, and plug it into their own
[07:00] <apokryphos> nikkia: is it likely that BT are gonna let down the floodgates soon then?
[07:00] <nikkia> apokryphos: ie, BT is completely out of the picture
[07:00] <aseigo> supernix: to me that's just a work around for when you don't have it on the server
[07:00] <supernix> I can setup who it never filters and what to look for
[07:01] <supernix> true
[07:01] <apokryphos> nikkia: you can still keep your line and be with BD though...
[07:01] <supernix> They only have cpanel access to spamassasin
[07:01] <supernix> So I wonder about if it gives me all the options
[07:01] <nikkia> apokryphos: BD and UKOL have their own switches installed at the exchanges they cover, so BT has to go in, unplug your line from  the switch front end, and plug it into BD/UKOLs
[07:02] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, you can't, you can have BD install a new line, and keep the BT one seperate, but the BD line is still unbundled from BT
[07:02] <nikkia> apokryphos: part  ofthe problem is, BT's switches are not physically capable of 8Mbps in 99%  ofthe exchanges
[07:03] <nikkia> BT are installing new DSLAMs tho
[07:03] <nikkia> they claim they'll have 100% coverage of current DSL coverage by march next year
[07:04] <apokryphos> nikkia: you're right, you can't; not sure why I thought that..
[07:05] <apokryphos> We'll wait and see what they're like with their targets :P
[07:05] <nikkia> apokryphos: prob beceaus it was different when BD were only offering 2Mbps
[07:05] <nikkia> they were offering LLU and non-LLU service then
[07:05] <apokryphos> oh
[07:05] <TestMAD> thats crazy loookin..just saw screenshots of the enlightenment live cd
[07:06] <nikkia> non-LLU cost more, of course, because of BT
[07:06] <apokryphos> heh
[07:06] <apokryphos> They upgraded all their normal bb users lately didn't they?
[07:06] <nikkia> apokryphos: the change happened early this year, when BT were told to unbundle 'or else' by ofcom
[07:06] <apokryphos> Trying to keep 'em in. Most BT broadband users I've seen seem to stick with because of "bundle" packages
[07:07] <apokryphos> hah. Go ofcom
[07:14] <supernix> what is a dangling symlink
[07:14] <supernix> ?
[07:14] <nikkia> supernix: a symlink that points to a non-existant file
[07:14] <supernix> OIC
[07:18] <supernix> how can I remove the dead links ?
[07:19] <apokryphos> supernix: rm them like any other file
[07:22] <ray_> su test
[07:22] <ray_> sup test
[07:22] <TestMAD> not much
[07:22] <ray_> u get everything working
[07:22] <TestMAD> just sitting her with my son..buggin me to play sonic heros
[07:23] <TestMAD> this is y he needs his own pc
[07:23] <TestMAD> bu i need a mobo and cpu for him
[07:23] <ray_> how old is your son?
[07:23] <TestMAD> i got the ram..and gfx card.
[07:23] <ray_> cool
[07:23] <TestMAD> 6
[07:23] <supernix> man that sucks I bet there was at least 12 links
[07:26] <TestMAD> how do i get the xparent windows?
[07:26] <apokryphos> composite
[07:26] <apokryphos> !composite
[07:26] <ubotu> methinks composite is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769 -- make sure you read the whole thread.
[07:26] <TestMAD> or should i just wait for kde 3.5?
[07:27] <apokryphos> TestMAD: transparent windows is an X.org thing, and KDE 3.4 already has options which allow you to configure it from kcontrol
[07:27] <TestMAD> really?
[07:27] <ray_> TestMAD, what are xparent windows?
[07:27] <TestMAD> transparent
[07:27] <apokryphos> Transparent, I presume :|
[07:27] <TestMAD> kcontrol only lets you use xparent popups
[07:27] <TestMAD> and dialog menus
[07:28] <TestMAD> not the actuall app window
[07:28] <apokryphos> No, that's incorrect. It gives you reasonably extensive options for active/inactive etc. windows
[07:28] <apokryphos> kcontrol -> Desktop -> Window Behavior -> Translucency
[07:29] <ch> hola borre un archivo por consola y no se como recuperarlo alguine me puede ayudar porfavor
[07:30] <apokryphos> Ch: #kubuntu-es
[07:32] <supernix> Yes that is spanish
[07:32] <supernix> something about an archive for console
[07:34] <TestMAD> motherboards are cheap..but cpu's arent..even old socketA
[07:37] <ch> apokryphos: sorry ,I it can write in ingles
[07:37] <apokryphos> ch: that's ok. Join #ubuntu-es or #kubuntu-es
[07:38] <ch> I did not realize that was in ingles
[07:38] <ch> apokryphos: I did not realize that was in ingles
[07:39] <apokryphos> oh ok, no problem. Thought you said you couldn't write in English, for a second. 
[07:51] <_arte> re
[08:00] <buz> is there any way to have akregator in a side pane in konqueror? like sage in firefox...
[08:00] <nikkia> the excitement of building gcc 1000 times is killing me :P
[08:15] <buz> is there a version of the taskbar run applet that can do tab completion of paths? (not only such it already knows about)
[08:36] <Mose`> ppl, why can't i move created panel - dock application bar? it's in the right of my dektop, but i can't move it to top
[08:44] <aseigo> Mose`: either move it using the panel config dialog or grab it by the hide arrow
[08:44] <Mose`> hrr, my all panel crashed..
[08:45] <sksjda> hi
[08:45] <Mose`> how can i restart my panel without restarting?
[08:45] <Mose`> *restarting pc..
[08:46] <sksjda> click on 
[08:46] <sksjda> ok
[08:46] <sksjda> he quit .. 
[08:46] <sksjda> i have proplem setting the DNS and i have static config not dhcp
[08:47] <sksjda> so i try to set it and dosn't work . any help
[08:51] <The_Vox> apokryphos: here goes nothing...if I destroy my computer it'll be your fault :P
[08:52] <apokryphos> The_Vox: I think you'll be hard-pressed to destroy your computer just by compiling amaroK ;-)
[08:55] <Firetech> why does kubuntu use automake 1.4 by default?
[08:56] <The_Vox> apokryphos: one never knows, one never knows :)
[08:57] <apokryphos> Firetech: good question, and I have no idea.
[08:57] <sksjda> i have proplem .. i v'e setting the network and i can ping router and other computers but can't access to internet . 
[08:57] <Firetech> is there anything wrong in changing it (using update-alternatives) to 1.6? (KDE requires 1.6)
[08:58] <apokryphos> Nope.
[08:58] <sksjda> any ideas ?
[08:58] <apokryphos> I just removed automake1.4 myself, though.
[08:59] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i have 2 dvd drives...one is a dvd-rom/cd-rom...the other is a dvd/cd writer-reader
[08:59] <The_Vox> I have every automake version installed and let the compilation use whichever one it wants :)
[08:59] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but i cant get mplayer to use my second :(
[08:59] <LuNaTiK^GuY> any help?
[09:00] <apokryphos> The_Vox: sometimes it'll still not detect the 1.6 if 1.4 is default, though
[09:00] <jpowers> I ran into that problem just yesterday compiling kopete
[09:01] <mchonis> Hi all..
[09:01] <jpowers> you can force it using environment variable WANT_AUTOMAKE=/usr/bin/automake-1.6 or something like that.
[09:02] <jpowers> I think that's what I did.
[09:02] <The_Vox> apokryphos: that's when you use update-alternatives to make it behave :)
[09:02] <mchonis> I got an external USB hard-drive that I usually use with my windows machines.. but in Linux it seems to be read-only.. how can I make it so I can write files to it
[09:02] <The_Vox> apokryphos: or do what jpowers said...tho I think it's USE_AUTOMAKE and not WANT_AUTOMAKE....but it's been a long time since I've used that method
[09:03] <apokryphos> jpowers, The_Vox: ok, cool.
[09:05] <PurpleBlu> I went to download a file with Bit Torrent and its download as a ASP is this correct?
[09:06] <PurpleBlu> on the website it shows as a ISo file that is a RAR
[09:06] <PurpleBlu> but when I download with Linux, its downloading as a ASP file
[09:06] <apokryphos> PurpleBlu: what application you using?
[09:11] <The_Vox> apokryphos: what's the Dynamic Mode?
[09:13] <apokryphos> The_Vox: the modes are different ways for it to play music
[09:13] <apokryphos> dynamic mode, as I recall, does some crazy things and removes/adds things to the playlist depending on genre etc
[09:15] <The_Vox> ah! ok, it's what the 1.2 version used to call...uhm...recommended? or something like that
[09:15] <apokryphos> no idea, perhaps; normal mode is good for me
[09:15] <apokryphos> or Shuffled sometimes
[09:16] <Mose`> what is fluxbox?
[09:16] <The_Vox> apokryphos: I randomize my playlist....otherwise I wouldn't listen to 90% of my music ever :)
[09:16] <The_Vox> Mose`: very extremely lightweight windowmanager.
[09:17] <Mose`> thnx
[09:17] <TestMAD> Mose`: you can also try enlightenment
[09:17] <Mose`> that's to windowmanager?
[09:18] <Mose`> *too
[09:18] <TestMAD> yea..and they actually have a distro too..debian based
[09:18] <TestMAD> i think..
[09:20] <Mose`> i've installed fluxbox using apt-get but i can't find it where it installed..
[09:21] <basti_> hi guys
[09:21] <basti_> problem:
[09:22] <basti_> i'm installing kubuntu on an old pc. everything went fine. Now the monitor can't display the graphics mode i selected
[09:22] <basti_> (my fault, I know)
[09:22] <basti_> i can ctl-alt-bkspc, but then X comes up again
[09:22] <basti_> i can login as user under a textmode console, but that doesnt help any, too
[09:23] <basti_> what can i do, besides connecting to another monitor?
[09:23] <TestMAD> config xorg
[09:23] <basti_> where and how?
[09:23] <basti_> just type it as normal user?
[09:24] <TestMAD> i dont remember ..hold on..
[09:24] <basti_> thanks for the help.
[09:25] <TestMAD> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:25] <basti_> and how do i do, without a root password, which i dont have yet?
[09:26] <TestMAD> umm...root pass is the user pass
[09:26] <basti_> oh
[09:26] <basti_> thanks
[09:26] <basti_> important information! :)
[09:26] <basti_> brb, configuring stuff
[09:29] <Mose`> what are X includes? where can i get them?
[09:29] <aseigo> the header files used when building the x server...
[09:29] <aseigo> you need to install the -dev package for x
[09:30] <Mose`> with apt-get?
[09:30] <The_Vox> yes
[09:30] <Mose`> sudo apt-get install -dev package for x?
[09:32] <The_Vox> x-dev
[09:32] <The_Vox> I think
[09:33] <aseigo> xlibs-dev
[09:33] <aseigo> erm. wait.. that's old debian
[09:33] <aseigo> libx11-dev
[09:43] <Mose`> thnx The_Vox and thnx aseigo for help, it was usefull :}
[09:44] <aseigo> np
[09:48] <aurelio> hola
[09:49] <aurelio> soy nuevo en sto; me gustara haceros una pregunta.
[09:49] <Riddell> aurelio: /join #kubuntu-es
[09:49] <aurelio> thx
[10:04] <basti_> so is the root password "linked" to the "primary" user's password? Will the two always be the same? Or are they just set equal on startup?
[10:05] <aseigo> neither
[10:05] <aseigo> there is no root passowrd
[10:05] <aseigo> er, password
[10:05] <basti_> ooo.
[10:05] <aseigo> but the first user is added to the admin group which is given priveleges via sudo to run any command
[10:06] <basti_> this is a nice idea.
[10:06] <aseigo> you can add and remove subsequent users from that admin group as well
[10:06] <aseigo> i think so .. means you don't have to manage the root account so much
[10:06] <basti_> u huh
[10:06] <basti_> and that the group feature actually serves a useful purpose :)
[10:23] <blueyed> cheers.
[10:26] <Minuo> I'm having a problem with my KDE kioslaves functions - specifically I can't quite figure out kubuntu's funky udev configuration (I've only done it on Gentoo before) and I need my USB HD  to always mount with kioslave to the same thing for amarok
[10:27] <Minuo> and also my 8 in 1 disk reader stopped shoping up in kioslaves
[10:27] <pavilionubuntu> hi!!
[10:28] <pavilionubuntu> hi, i have a big problem.... i need ubuntu in my new notebook HP Pavilion6062 (amd 64bits), when im starting install ubuntu (original cd, 64bits), after the menu, screen is down and the system stoped. i think that is the resolution, can i change this? what can i do?!!!! THXXXX 
[10:28] <TestMAD> what can i use to capture the screen? in like a movie format or soething.
[10:28] <pavilionubuntu> hallo
[10:28] <pavilionubuntu> hi
[10:29] <pavilionubuntu> chao
[10:29] <pavilionubuntu> salu
[10:29] <pavilionubuntu> salut
[10:29] <pavilionubuntu> hola...
[10:29] <basti_> hmm
[10:29] <TestMAD> theres an ubuntu for hp laptops
[10:29] <basti_> pavilionubuntu: tried ctl-alt-Fx to switch to another virtual console?
[10:30] <basti_> might take more keys, depending on your laptop's keyboard
[10:30] <pavilionubuntu> mmm
[10:30] <basti_> TestMAD: do you *need* actual video?
[10:30] <pavilionubuntu> wait
[10:30] <TestMAD> yea..actual videa
[10:31] <basti_> TestMAD: i dont know of a way to do that.
[10:31] <TestMAD> hmm.
[10:31] <pavilionubuntu> this is before the menu
[10:31] <pavilionubuntu> :S
[10:32] <pavilionubuntu> not after
[10:32] <basti_> ohh
[10:32] <basti_> then its the framebuffer.
[10:32] <TestMAD> pavilionubuntu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/custom/
[10:32] <basti_> there's a switch to the framebuffer mode
[10:32] <basti_> maybe you should try TestMAD's special hp laptop distro
[10:32] <basti_> i wouldnt know how to disable the fb switch easily
[10:33] <pavilionubuntu> :S
[10:34] <TestMAD> oh..
[10:34] <TestMAD> to disable frame buffer in ubunto..
[10:35] <TestMAD> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:35] <TestMAD> theres an option there to use fram buffer or not
[10:36] <basti_> not under X
[10:36] <basti_> the console framebuffer
[10:55] <TestMAD> anyone here used xvifcap?
[10:55] <TestMAD> xvidcap
[10:59] <Mose`> what are best video codecs for kubuntu?
[11:32] <supernix> anyone know what the deal is with the version of synaptic it is some real funky long version string