[12:24] <AndyFitz> hey hey
[12:24] <lukacu> hi
[12:27] <lukacu> question: that list ... of icons to be made and the ones that are finished ... etc.  ... does it exist?
[12:30] <Nafallo> 18:28 < Nafallo> gothcat thinks the boxes for archives should be closed if the
[12:30] <Nafallo>                  files are not unpacked :-)
[12:30] <Nafallo> 18:28 < Nafallo> ^ talking about humility
[12:30] <Nafallo> 18:30 < ogra> heh, cool idea, but if you unpack a archive it gets a folder
[12:30] <Nafallo>               normally....
[12:30] <Nafallo> 18:30 < ogra> or a number of files
[12:30] <Nafallo> 18:32 < Nafallo> yea. I think the point is more like: it's an archive. that
[12:30] <Nafallo>                  should be a closed box.
[12:30] <Nafallo> AndyFitz: ^
[12:30] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:48] <AndyFitz> Nafallo 
[12:49] <AndyFitz> I agree
[12:49] <AndyFitz> that icon was first made for file roller.  I'll draw a similar but closed box for archive types
[12:50] <Nafallo> AndyFitz: she smiles happily :-)
[12:51] <AndyFitz> I always knew it was silly .  just waiting for someone to pull me up on it and make me do the work.  ;-)
[12:51] <Nafallo> hehe :-)
[12:51] <AndyFitz> sadly I really have to go ( I'll be away for the weekend )
[12:52] <AndyFitz> hopefully online later today however
[12:52] <Nafallo> AndyFitz: same here. I'm just here to get my X fixed again ;-)
[12:52] <AndyFitz> ciao mate , take care and thanks for pointing it out :)
[12:53] <Nafallo> AndyFitz: take care to and I'll see you around :-).
[12:54] <AndyFitz> you to mate :)
[02:27] <volvoguy> hey folks.
[02:28] <volvoguy> did i miss Andy or hasn't he been on yet today? (i can never keep track of timezones on the other side of the planet) :)
[02:30] <Nafallo> 00:56 -!- AndyFitz [~andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com]  has left
[02:30] <Nafallo>           #ubuntu-artwork [] 
[02:30] <ogra> volvoguy, gworldclock is very helpful ;)
[02:30] <Nafallo> 02:32 now :-)
[02:31] <volvoguy> :-) thanks. 
[02:32] <ogra> Nafallo, you need to say where :) 02:29 in germany btw :)
[02:32] <ogra> hmm, my clock is slow...
[02:32] <Nafallo> ogra: I did.. here :-)
[02:32] <ogra> ah, yes, *here* :)
[02:33] <volvoguy> i just had a great talk with one of the Foresight Linux people. Apparently they're working on a SOAP based system to combine the artwork on gnome-looks.org, kde-looks.org and art.gnome.org. the results could be accessed via the web or a standalone app (like the gnome-art app). 
[02:33] <Nafallo> hmm, I just tried to tune my irssi time by running ntpdate on the lappy :-P
[02:33] <volvoguy> i'm in detroit, michigan, usa.
[02:35] <volvoguy> it would be possible to make our future ubuntu art website part of the global "artwork repository". sounds pretty cool to me.
[02:35] <ogra> yep, sounds good :)
[02:36] <Nafallo> yay! that could hopefully kill the phpgroupware idea :-)
[02:36] <ogra> heh
[02:36] <ogra> i still have no idea wat for we'd need a groupware...
[02:36] <ogra> s/wat/what
[02:37] <Nafallo> same here
[02:37] <volvoguy> i'm not really sold on the groupware idea yet either.
[02:38] <volvoguy> i think for our "official" ubuntu artwork, CVS would be fine for keeping track of things.
[02:38] <Nafallo> wiki+bazaar+art.g.o software would be a good start :-)
[02:38] <ogra> yep
[02:39] <ogra> Nafallo, but you have to teach baz to all the artwork guys then :)
[02:39] <Nafallo> ogra: but not cvs?
[02:39] <Nafallo> I've never really used either, but I've heard baz rocks! :-)
[02:40] <volvoguy> we'll have wait and see. i don't think everyone (including myself) knows the full scope of what Ubuntu ultimately wants from us.
[02:40] <ogra> Nafallo, always give users the tools they need... 
[02:40] <ogra> volvoguy, just artwork... the best we can get :)
[02:40] <ogra> so if CVS is required, we'll have CVS ....
[02:41] <Nafallo> cvs is the most _known_ solution I guess :-)
[02:41] <ogra> ... which doesnt mean there cant be some bazarr classes to teach the people Nafallo 
[02:41] <Nafallo> ogra: kewl. start with me then :-).
[02:42] <volvoguy> ogra: yes - but for ubuntu's purposes, there's really not a huge amount of artwork we need to collaborate on - icons, 6 backgrounds per release, maybe some theme tweaks and/or variations.
[02:42] <ogra> Nafallo, i'm still learning myself, but i could get us the guy who wrote baz to teac us :)
[02:42] <ogra> volvoguy, the iconsets are not small
[02:42] <volvoguy> ogra: is bazzar some kind of versioning system?
[02:43] <ogra> yep 
[02:43] <ogra> its the one we develop at canonical
[02:43] <ogra> and the one launchpad will use
[02:44] <Nafallo> ogra: lifeless IIRC?
[02:44] <volvoguy> ogra: no, they're not small, but they're relatively small compared to having hundreds of devs working on a piece of software.
[02:44] <ogra> Nafallo, lifeless is rather a manager... jblack would be good to teach us
[02:45] <volvoguy> i've been meaning to ask my Canonical contacts what/if/why/how we could be part of launchpad. 
[02:45] <Nafallo> ah, oki :-)
[02:45] <ogra> volvoguy, i dont think mark planned a artwork area for launchpad... thats probably something to be added now
[02:47] <Nafallo> right now there isn't really a need to be on launchpad IMO. sabdfl might have something else to say about that though ;-)
[02:47] <Nafallo> for this team that is...
[02:48] <volvoguy> ogra: i agree. i don't think we were planned in any aspect until recently - that's why it's taking so long to get things done on their end for us.
[02:48] <volvoguy> so how would launchpad be classified? is it kinda like a project manager?
[02:49] <ogra> its "sourceforge next generation"
[02:50] <Nafallo> right now it's bug-tracker, translation area and team management. something like that :-)
[02:51] <ogra> it will be source management and package builder too in the future
[02:51] <volvoguy> nice. :)
[02:51] <ogra> and the target is community collaboration in any way... so artwork might be part of the general plan
[02:52] <ogra> anyway, GF pokes me... nearly 3am....
[02:52] <Nafallo> anyway. I have to wake up early tomorrow.
[02:52] <ogra> time for bed... :)
[02:52] <ogra> i dont...
[02:52] <Nafallo> what ogra said ;-)
[02:52] <ogra> but still 
[02:53] <Nafallo> We're going to Oslo to spend the weekend with tfheen and Simira :-)
[02:53] <volvoguy> oh sure... i finally get in here and you all leave me. ;-) just kidding. get some sleep and i'll get some food. we'll catch up later. (remember, this channel is being logged now). 
[02:54] <ogra> Nafallo, seeing the new flat ?
[02:54] <ogra> volvoguy, yep... nice to meet you (finally (even if its virtual)) 
[02:55] <Nafallo> ogra: naah. that's not until 4th august :-)
[02:55] <ogra> ah... i just saw some pics...
[02:55] <volvoguy> ogra: thanks. same here! have a good time on your trip. 
[02:55] <Nafallo> ogra: oh?
[02:56] <ogra> Nafallo, he posted them... i dont have the links anymore... i guess he'll show it to you ...
[02:56] <Nafallo> volvoguy: yepp. will see you later :-).
[02:56] <Nafallo> ogra: hehe, indeed :-).
[02:57] <Nafallo> anyway. good night guys :-)
[02:57] <volvoguy> Nafallo: g'night!
[02:57] <ogra> yep...same goes for me, night
[02:57] <volvoguy> ogra: g'night. :)
[02:57] <ogra> :)
[10:24] <mpathy> hi there
[10:25] <lukacu> hello
[10:30] <mpathy> i set up this tool someone suggested.. not that we should use it, but the range of things that you can do there would make sense! would you have a look? ;) http://ubuntu-artwork.seework.com user: demo password: demo
[10:31] <lukacu> ok
[10:36] <lukacu> well ... it looks nice ... but what bothers me is the side ad-bar
[10:36] <ogra> could someone elaborate what for we need this ? 
[10:37] <ogra> its all already there in the ubuntu wiki... (assuming you read the ML)
[10:39] <lukacu> ogra: hm ... nope ... just checking it out to see if it fits our needs ... but i agree that wiki is also cool ;)
[10:39] <mpathy> someone suggested it, i had a look on it. we dont need or want that, because its not open source - but the things they use make sense.. only for visualizing!
[10:39] <ogra> hmm... its a project tool, right ? 
[10:39] <lukacu> yup
[10:40] <mpathy> again: i dont think we should use that. but it helps to visualize what we perhaps need.. :)
[10:40] <ogra> i think we need to have a project plan, but i do not see the need to modify it every now and then ... :)
[10:40] <ogra> so a single page with this plan should be enough, or am i wrong ? 
[10:42] <lukacu> it depends on how well the team is organized and how well they know what they can do in wiki and what not 
[10:42] <mpathy> okay.. but it should be well structured..
[10:42] <mpathy> the docteam has structured wiki pages!
[10:43] <lukacu> yup
[10:43] <mpathy> but i thought if we get external webspace we could do a little bit more than a wiki..
[10:44] <mpathy> something where not only we, but also normal ubuntu users have some use of it
[10:44] <mpathy> like the art.gnome.org
[10:44] <ogra> art.ubuntu.com :)
[10:44] <mpathy> right
[10:45] <mpathy> but not only for us, also for ubuntu user who want to download nice wallpapers, themes, splash screens, grub and bootsplash etc.
[10:46] <mpathy> or is searching of a tutorial how to set up a new splash screen..
[10:46] <ogra> yep, and something like gnome-art to integrate directly with the desktop...
[10:46] <ogra> (i guess KDE finally got something like that too finally)
[10:47] <mpathy> what do you mean exactly? i dont get it.. perhaps its too early in the morning :)
[10:48] <ogra> there is a tool the integrates artwork from a weblocation directly with the desktop, for example you want a new wallpaper, you have something verysimilar to the wallpaper selector, but it pulls all data directly from the online source
[10:49] <lukacu> that is nice...
[10:49] <ogra> its called gnome-art ...
[10:49] <ogra> and i saw something like that for KDE too recently...
[10:49] <mpathy> NICE
[10:51] <lukacu> but right now we need team organisation infrastructure ...
[10:52] <mpathy> http://www.miketech.net/gnome-art/
[10:52] <mpathy> right
[10:53] <lukacu> it is very nice though
[10:54] <mpathy> downloaded it and have a look on it.. its in ruby :o)
[10:56] <ogra> eek, ruby ...
[10:57] <lukacu> :)
[10:57] <ogra> that means we wont have it in main ....
[10:57] <mpathy> ogra: huh?
[10:57] <mpathy> ogra: because of some python fanatics? ;)
[10:57] <ogra> we have nobody who wants to remotely maintain ruby stuff... its a PITA....
[10:58] <lukacu> :)
[10:58] <mpathy> why?
[10:58] <ogra> maintainig ruby packages is awful
[10:58] <mpathy> specify ;)
[10:58] <ogra> because of the structure of the packages...
[11:00] <ogra> and because nobody is fond to learn ruby ... we could really needsome ruby oriented MOTUs
[11:00] <ogra> t maintain this stuff....
[11:00] <ogra> s/t/to
[11:00] <mpathy> I am not so good at ruby.. to be a maintainer..
[11:01] <mpathy> but i hope this summer it will change..
[11:02] <ogra> drop by in #ubuntu-motu if you feel ready :) ruby is a unloved child in ubuntu.... someone should give it some love :)
[11:09] <mpathy> for sure!
[11:11] <ogra> :)
[03:48] <mpathy> back again
[06:00] <Mats_> bonjour a tous :)
[06:01] <lukacu> hello
[10:43] <olivier> Greetings
[10:44] <lukacu> hi
[10:46] <olivier> Just to tell that, few month ago, I made a 2 minute .png for the "ubuntu love days"  : http://yet.another.linux-nerd.com/2005/03/07/41/
[10:47] <olivier> I won't have time for ubuntu artwork in the near future but I'll try to do some stuff later.
[10:48] <lukacu> i think that is no problem 
[10:49] <olivier> Yeah, there's a lot of people willing to help.
[10:50] <lukacu> yup ... btw nice ubuntu logo variation
[10:52] <olivier> thx
[10:54] <lukacu> i think you can come whenever you like ... there will always be something to do ;)