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| ed1t | u want hotdog? | 03:10 |
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| ed1t | :P | 03:10 |
| kbrooks | no | 03:10 |
| kbrooks | u want anything? | 03:10 |
| kbrooks | :P | 03:10 |
| ed1t | yea...ill take a bottle of vodka | 03:11 |
| ed1t | or a champagne | 03:11 |
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| ed1t | woohoo!! lets party! | 03:12 |
| kbrooks | lol | 03:12 |
| kbrooks | ed1t: um....... | 03:12 |
| kbrooks | it's a waste of our resources to be here before the meeting | 03:13 |
| ed1t | heh got like 7 hrs before the meeting | 03:13 |
| ed1t | lol | 03:13 |
| ed1t | k lets party somewhere else | 03:14 |
| kbrooks | k | 03:14 |
| rob^ | TechBoard is it? | 03:14 |
| kbrooks | rob^: no. the nun | 03:14 |
| kbrooks | rob^: today | 03:14 |
| ed1t | ^^ topic | 03:14 |
| rob^ | ah k | 03:14 |
| rob^ | yeah, misread the topic | 03:14 |
| ed1t | u better be there at the meeting! :P | 03:15 |
| ed1t | lol j/k | 03:15 |
| rob^ | umm why? | 03:15 |
| kbrooks | ed1t: i'll be, as i have to ;) | 03:15 |
| kbrooks | or else | 03:15 |
| ed1t | i might be here now | 03:15 |
| ed1t | i mean at the meeting | 03:15 |
| kbrooks | k | 03:15 |
| kbrooks | i'm /list'ing | 03:16 |
| kbrooks | :P | 03:16 |
| kbrooks | just done. | 03:16 |
| kbrooks | anyway..... | 03:16 |
| ed1t | cya all later at the meeting | 03:16 |
| ed1t | lol | 03:16 |
| kbrooks | ed1t: /part | 03:16 |
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| ed1t | yo yo yo | 09:37 |
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| Mez | hey, sorry I'm late | 09:40 |
| Mez | anything I've missed/ | 09:40 |
| kbrooks | ed1t: 20 mins | 09:40 |
| ed1t | yep1 | 09:40 |
| Mez | oh, it's in 20 mins | 09:40 |
| ed1t | yea | 09:40 |
| hybrid_goth | Mez: heh | 09:41 |
| Mez | thought I was late then | 09:41 |
| Mez | whew :d | 09:41 |
| ed1t | hehe | 09:41 |
| kbrooks | ed1t and me live in the same zone | 09:41 |
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| kbrooks | anyway | 09:41 |
| Mez | you go away for one night, and look what happens | 09:41 |
| ed1t | get me a beer too | 09:41 |
| Mez | Seveas, you here? | 09:41 |
| Seveas | of course | 09:41 |
| Mez | good good :D | 09:41 |
| kbrooks | same timezone | 09:41 |
| kbrooks | ed1t: no :P | 09:42 |
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| ed1t | bah | 09:42 |
| Seveas | but the meeting is in 18 minutes, let's not fill up the logs with nonsense... | 09:42 |
| ed1t | kbrooks, its hottt outside | 09:42 |
| Mez | Burgundavia, you heere? | 09:42 |
| kbrooks | edit! | 09:42 |
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| hybrid_goth | i must agree with Seveas | 09:42 |
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| Burgundavia | Mez, indeed | 09:43 |
| Mez | Good, just checking your here to talk to | 09:43 |
| kbrooks | ok lets stop the offtopic talk | 09:43 |
| kbrooks | please | 09:44 |
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| kbrooks | Seveas: i have no patience. ty for that reminder. :/ | 09:45 |
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| ed1t | oy! | 09:50 |
| ed1t | no more beer for u! | 09:51 |
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| kbrooks | 1 minute! | 09:59 |
| Seveas | OK everybody, NUN meeting starts soon, let's make this an orderly meeting | 09:59 |
| Seveas | The agenda is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NUNAgenda | 09:59 |
| kbrooks | ok | 10:00 |
| Seveas | Please stick to the agenda and do not go offtopic | 10:00 |
| Seveas | Mez will lead the meeting, since he is the formal leader of the NuN | 10:00 |
| Mez | Ok guys and welcome, | 10:00 |
| kbrooks | ok | 10:00 |
| Mez | this is gonna be a bit... different seeing as I've not chaired a meeting before, so please, be patient | 10:00 |
| Seveas | :) | 10:01 |
| === hybrid_goth supports Mez | ||
| Mez | First of all, I'd just like to awknowledge Burgundavia, who's here to represent the Doc Team, I do believe | 10:01 |
| Burgundavia | indeed | 10:01 |
| Seveas | welcome | 10:01 |
| Mez | Please, remember to give everyone here the same amount of respect as you would give anyone else, as everyone is entitled to their own opinions | 10:01 |
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| bddebian | Hey folks | 10:01 |
| Mez | also, I'd like to apologise in advance for my poor typing... It's been a long day | 10:01 |
| Mez | For the record, can everyone please state their nameS? | 10:02 |
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| thechitowncubs | Hello | 10:02 |
| === nalioth is Marek Spruell | ||
| === Mez is Martin Meredith | ||
| === Seveas = Dennis Kaarsemaker | ||
| kbrooks | Kyle Brooks | 10:02 |
| === thechitowncubs is John Lambrechts | ||
| === tritium is Michael Rimbert | ||
| === ed1t is Dipen Javia | ||
| === Burgundavia is Corey burger | ||
| === bddebian is Barry deFreese | ||
| Seveas | too bad so few people showed up :( | 10:03 |
| === highvoltage is Jonathan Carter | ||
| Mez | ok, the agenda is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NUNAgenda so, if you'd all like to load it up, we can start | 10:03 |
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| Mez | or have I missed something Seveas ? | 10:03 |
| hybrid_goth | sorry all | 10:03 |
| Seveas | Mez, you're right on track :) | 10:04 |
| Seveas | hybrid_goth, please state your name for the record | 10:04 |
| hybrid_goth | hybrid_goth Kevin Gailey | 10:04 |
| Mez | Ok, well, first item on the agenda is to let you know a little about us all, and what NUN is, | 10:05 |
| Mez | NUN is the New User Network, which was an idea that was hashed about in a meeting where nalioth was trying to become a member | 10:05 |
| Seveas | NUN is also an idea that sabdfl has had for a while | 10:05 |
| Seveas | http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/AbsoluteBeginnerCommunity | 10:06 |
| Mez | Basically, the idea behind the NUN is to provide more a more focused support group for Newcomers to both Linux and Ubuntu | 10:06 |
| Mez | Our main goals are to have a group of people who abide by a set of guidelines, and provide a certain amount of support (in hours) to users via IRC, the mailing lists and the forums. | 10:07 |
| Mez | Although that is our main goal, we've also got a couple of projects on the back burner, and still in the thought process. | 10:07 |
| Mez | For Example, the New User Guide and IRC-based Tutorials. | 10:08 |
| Seveas | Active recruiting of 'helpers' has been done recently which has resulted in this meeting to kick off the team | 10:08 |
| Mez | Nalioth and I came together after that initial Community Council meeting, and put our heads together and started work on the "Ubuntu Newbie Project" which was later renamed to tthe "New User Network" | 10:08 |
| Mez | As Seveas said, sine then we've been recruiting people to help us with the support, and to become "Mentors" for the New User Network. | 10:09 |
| Mez | Seveas then showed some interest, and we asked him if he's like to be a "consultant" to us, which he agreed to and has provided us with a lto of useful information, and guidance. | 10:10 |
| Mez | So, that's the basic history behind how it got started up, and here we are today in the first meeting. | 10:10 |
| Mez | Are there any questions so far | 10:10 |
| highvoltage | Where do we sign up :) | 10:10 |
| thechitowncubs | How are general users going to know about and find out how to ask for support? | 10:10 |
| Seveas | highvoltage, on launchpad, the unp group | 10:11 |
| nalioth | thechitowncubs: thats later on the agenda | 10:11 |
| mgalvin | back, sorry | 10:11 |
| === mgalvin Matt Galvin | ||
| thechitowncubs | 10-4 | 10:11 |
| Seveas | thechitowncubs, that's the work of the mentors: users simply go to the forums/irc and that's where the Mentors hang out | 10:11 |
| Mez | thechitowncubs, hopefully people will advocate the new User network and we'll have info passed on by word of mouth. | 10:11 |
| thechitowncubs | simple enough, alright | 10:11 |
| Seveas | Mez, on that topic: i've been poking forum moderators | 10:12 |
| hybrid_goth | Mez: so we are rellying on word of mouth to spread NUN? | 10:12 |
| Seveas | hybrid_goth, up to now: yes | 10:12 |
| tritium | Mez, i added it to the topic some days ago | 10:12 |
| kbrooks | Anyway, this is later on the agenda. | 10:12 |
| Mez | hybrid_goth, we don't need to "spread it" neccesarily. | 10:12 |
| hybrid_goth | Mez: PLEASE EXPLAIN | 10:12 |
| hybrid_goth | sorry for the caps | 10:12 |
| Seveas | Mez, it'll come later. stick to the agenda please | 10:13 |
| Mez | hybrid_goth, the aim is to provide support, nothing else, as long as we're providing good support, we're working well | 10:13 |
| hybrid_goth | Mez: ok ty | 10:13 |
| Seveas | let's move on to item 2: the NewUserGuide. I think it's also a good point to get input from the docteam here since they are working on a similar project | 10:13 |
| Mez | Seveas, let me speak first, | 10:14 |
| Seveas | sry | 10:14 |
| Mez | Ok, the New User Guide.# | 10:14 |
| Mez | There's been a lot of controversy between NUN and the Doc Team ove rthe New User Guide, | 10:14 |
| Mez | (as I'm sure Burgundavia will agree) | 10:14 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:14 |
| Mez | as, they believe that we're working against them | 10:14 |
| Burgundavia | not really, just in parallel | 10:15 |
| Seveas | Burgundavia, but the docteams work unfortunately is not easily accessible yet, the wiki is... | 10:15 |
| Mez | The aim of the New User Guide is NOT to work against anyone, in fact, we don't want to work against anyone at all with the New User Network | 10:15 |
| Burgundavia | yes, but the wiki docs are also our baliwick, even if we have been neglecting them until recently | 10:16 |
| Mez | Some people (names shall not be mentioned) have been creating new pages on the Wiki SPECIFICALLY for the NewUserguide. | 10:16 |
| Mez | This is even though there is currently already better documentation on the wiki, which is freely and publically available | 10:16 |
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| mdke | hi all | 10:17 |
| kbrooks | mdke: State your name for the record. | 10:17 |
| Mez | The aim of the New User Guide is only to create a condensed index of information relevant to New Users. | 10:17 |
| thechitowncubs | As the wiki team develops i believe that conflicts will iron themselves out when the group matures and learns to work together. | 10:17 |
| mdke | my name is Matthew East | 10:17 |
| hybrid_goth | why dont we do like other Open Source projects and just give back findings each team gets and both teams publish it their way? | 10:18 |
| Mez | Can I finsih speaking first please? | 10:18 |
| hybrid_goth | srry | 10:18 |
| Mez | I don't want people working on New stuff for the wiki unless there's no information in the wiki regarding it. Things can be done a lot easier, more efficiently and better if we work on improving the current documentation in the wiki, and working WITH the doc team to do this. | 10:19 |
| thechitowncubs | Mez: im not sure anyone disagrees with you | 10:19 |
| Mez | For example, IIRC someone from the NUN Mentors did some work adding screenshots to the AddingRepositories Section of the Wiki, which made a great improvement on it, and yet, a new page was created which had less information on it, and was linked into the NUG | 10:20 |
| Mez | this is counterProductive, and shoudn't be happening. | 10:20 |
| kbrooks | Mez: I agree. | 10:20 |
| Mez | When I first spoke about the NUG, I went and asked the Doc team their opinions on it, and asked if they'd be willing to help | 10:20 |
| Mez | I beleive it was mgalvin I spoke to, who agreed with me that if it was done in a way where the NUN and the docteam were working together, then the docteam would be ahppy with this. and I've tried my best to keep to that, | 10:21 |
| Mez | the reason why I talk about it now is so that everyone knows the score about what should be happening with the NUG, and so everyone keeps on track (I will also be adding this to the NUNGUidelines) | 10:22 |
| Mez | There's a bit of a discussion going on between NUN and the Docteam at the moment about whether the NUG should be integrated as part of the main contents for the Wiki Documentation, where I believe that it shouldn't, as I beleive it provides a better service to have it seperate so that New Users aren't swamped with information they dont need | 10:23 |
| Mez | I believe that Burgundavia will now explain the opposite side of the argument, if you're still here? | 10:23 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 10:24 |
| Burgundavia | basically, the first I saw of the NUN stuff was this extra pages that we being added | 10:24 |
| Burgundavia | which was bad, to say the least | 10:24 |
| Burgundavia | fast forward to now | 10:24 |
| Burgundavia | basically, the doc team has neglected the wiki and that is now changing | 10:25 |
| Burgundavia | we have all kinds of new people coming on board, like thechitowncubs | 10:25 |
| Burgundavia | what we would like to see is the following division of labour: | 10:25 |
| Mez | brb | 10:25 |
| Burgundavia | the NUN people tell us what is wrong with the wiki | 10:25 |
| Mez | spilt vodka over myself | 10:25 |
| thechitowncubs | lmao | 10:25 |
| Burgundavia | and doc team fixes it | 10:25 |
| hybrid_goth | haha | 10:25 |
| Burgundavia | if you want to help work on the wiki, you are basically part of the docteam, which would be great | 10:26 |
| mdke | i would like to support Burgundavia on this | 10:26 |
| Mez | As would I. | 10:26 |
| mdke | he speaks for the whole of the docteam | 10:26 |
| Mez | as long as it doesnt mean killing the NUG page | 10:26 |
| kbrooks | Me too. | 10:26 |
| Burgundavia | we will see what happens as we move forward | 10:26 |
| mdke | Mez, that page applies also to irc and the forum afaics | 10:26 |
| hybrid_goth | it would be great to have NUN members who are doc team memmbers | 10:27 |
| mdke | Mez, no need to delete it | 10:27 |
| mdke | hybrid_goth, agreed | 10:27 |
| Burgundavia | my hope is that we can make the main doc page simple enough so that anybody can use it | 10:27 |
| mdke | me too | 10:27 |
| Mez | hybrid_goth, I agree, though I dont think it should be a prequisite. | 10:27 |
| Burgundavia | and thus make the NUN stuff redundant | 10:27 |
| hybrid_goth | this would help greatly in comunication | 10:27 |
| kbrooks | Agreed. | 10:27 |
| kbrooks | Mez: It isn't. | 10:28 |
| Burgundavia | so, if you are writing on the wiki as a doc team member, then the key thing to remember is best practices | 10:28 |
| Burgundavia | things like GUI over CLI | 10:28 |
| Mez | Burgundavia, I agree in part, but I think that the NUG should stay as it's just an index, as I said, lets wait a while and see how it works :D | 10:28 |
| Burgundavia | promoting existing solutions over new ones | 10:28 |
| Burgundavia | thats about it | 10:28 |
| Mez | Burgundavia, that's our whole philosophy behind our support :D | 10:28 |
| mdke | Mez, all pages are free to stay on the wiki | 10:29 |
| Mez | can I ask who here from the NUN would be interested in joining the Doc team, and working with them | 10:29 |
| mdke | BUT, its important that irrelevant pages aren't prominently linked, or that will cause confusion | 10:29 |
| hybrid_goth | unless duplicates? | 10:29 |
| Mez | (not as awhole, just as indivuals) | 10:29 |
| Mez | mdke, of course :D | 10:29 |
| kbrooks | Mez: Me. | 10:29 |
| === hybrid_goth maybe... | ||
| === Mez raises hand | ||
| Burgundavia | those who wish to join, our channel is #ubuntu-doc | 10:29 |
| Burgundavia | if you didn't already know | 10:30 |
| kbrooks | Burgundavia: there now | 10:30 |
| Mez | I would love those interested in hlping New Users by modifying the wiki to join the doc team, it means 1) we get a slight bit moer exposure, and 2) we integrate more. | 10:30 |
| thechitowncubs | Right now the wiki is a bit intimidating for new users, but with additions of pages such as UserDocumentation it wil be alot easier for new users not familiar with wiki's to come to the wiki for support | 10:30 |
| Mez | I'm all for working witht eh Doc team, and have been from the start. | 10:30 |
| Burgundavia | in summary: If you have any questions or think you can help us, don't hesitate to swing by #ubuntu-doc | 10:31 |
| mdke | yes | 10:31 |
| mdke | feel free to come and find us | 10:31 |
| Burgundavia | we need you guys, to make sure we are writing good docs | 10:31 |
| Mez | any questions regardign to what we've been talking about (either regarding NUN or Doc Team) | 10:31 |
| mdke | one important rule, if you are editing the wiki structurally, make sure you know how the software works | 10:31 |
| hybrid_goth | lol | 10:31 |
| thechitowncubs | the UserDocumentation page right now imo needs to be split into different levels, such as "Power Users" "Gamers?" "Absolute Beginners" | 10:32 |
| Mez | No Questions? | 10:32 |
| hybrid_goth | suggestion | 10:32 |
| Mez | ok, next item I believe is your's nalioth | 10:32 |
| nalioth | howdy y'all | 10:32 |
| nalioth | most of what i wanted to bring up has been covered by Mez or Burgundavia | 10:32 |
| nalioth | but we are members of a Community, and the as the cliche goes, there is no "I" in team | 10:33 |
| nalioth | there was some initial confusion re the wiki, but once it was brought to our attention, a different direction was suggested | 10:33 |
| kbrooks | What's this direction? | 10:34 |
| nalioth | so as not to duplicate, but augment existing information | 10:34 |
| nalioth | and i see the NewUsersGuide page eventually being a "quick fix" with links to deeper information on existing wiki pages | 10:34 |
| nalioth | i highly recommend we (who are interested in wiki working) join the docteam | 10:35 |
| thechitowncubs | https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/wikiteam | 10:36 |
| thechitowncubs | or the wiki team specifically :) | 10:36 |
| nalioth | Mez, the floor is yours, unless there's some questions for me? | 10:36 |
| Mez | any questions | 10:37 |
| Mez | ? | 10:37 |
| bddebian | Sounds good | 10:37 |
| kbrooks | None. | 10:37 |
| thechitowncubs | What are your views of a Wiki Team within the doc team? | 10:37 |
| hybrid_goth | umm ask the doc team? | 10:37 |
| Mez | thechitowncubs, I dont see why there should be a division personally | 10:37 |
| kbrooks | thechitowncubs: reundancy | 10:37 |
| Mez | anyways, | 10:38 |
| Mez | The Guidelines. | 10:38 |
| mdke | thechitowncubs, we have one, but its not for writing docs, rather for looking after the wiki structurally | 10:38 |
| Mez | I think we need to finalise them | 10:38 |
| hybrid_goth | NUN Guidelines? | 10:38 |
| Mez | can everyone have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines and tell me if there's anything that they don't agree with | 10:38 |
| mdke | omg | 10:38 |
| Mez | mdke, problem? | 10:38 |
| mdke | there is a LP wiki team group | 10:38 |
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| highvoltage | LP? Linkin Park? | 10:39 |
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| Burgundavia | highvoltage, Launchpad | 10:39 |
| hybrid_goth | bddebian: lol | 10:39 |
| highvoltage | ah, thanks. | 10:39 |
| kbrooks | "Do not direct someone to use google, this is unhelpful and decontructive" OK how is it deconstructive? | 10:39 |
| Burgundavia | Mez, are not 1 and 2 better combined into one | 10:40 |
| hybrid_goth | guidelines | 10:40 |
| hybrid_goth | yes 1 = 2 | 10:40 |
| Mez | s/deconstructive/counter-productive | 10:40 |
| hybrid_goth | 5 could go with 1 & 2 also | 10:40 |
| nalioth | kbrooks: it is dismissive to send someone to google BEFORE trying to help them in channel | 10:41 |
| Mez | changes | 10:41 |
| highvoltage | should there perhaps be a page on how to use google? | 10:41 |
| nalioth | we (nun) are diplomats for linux. we are most likely the first people some users are gonna see in their new linux world | 10:41 |
| kbrooks | highvoltage: NO | 10:41 |
| kbrooks | highvoltage: nalioth explains why | 10:41 |
| highvoltage | for example, many new users feel comforted by knowing there's a google.com/linux. | 10:41 |
| bddebian | nalioth: That's scary :-) | 10:42 |
| highvoltage | ok | 10:42 |
| hybrid_goth | bddebian heh | 10:42 |
| hybrid_goth | highvoltage: no we are for linux not google | 10:42 |
| Mez | anything else? | 10:42 |
| bddebian | I would have to say that there is a fine line though between hand-holding and the proverbial "teaching a man to fish" | 10:42 |
| Mez | any problems with them? or is everyone agreed regarding the guidelines | 10:42 |
| bddebian | Mez: Look fine | 10:43 |
| Mez | only problem I can see is a: that should eba ; | 10:43 |
| highvoltage | i think the google line needs more explanation. | 10:43 |
| nalioth | we also need to remember, with the free shipping and other efforts to get ubuntu out in the eyes (and computers) of the public is this: we are helping our grandmothers/young siblings | 10:43 |
| Mez | highvoltage, hit refresh | 10:43 |
| highvoltage | "we are for linux, not google" puts it well. | 10:43 |
| highvoltage | Mez: ok. | 10:44 |
| kbrooks | nalioth? | 10:44 |
| kbrooks | nalioth: see #ubuntu | 10:44 |
| hybrid_goth | Mez: guidelines looks good | 10:46 |
| Mez | ok. Well I'm going to ask that before anyone be approved "proper" for NUN, that they sign the Guidelines and send me a copy via email to agree that they will follow them | 10:46 |
| kbrooks | Mez: I read them, and I agree with them. | 10:47 |
| nalioth | Mez means to sign with your gpg key | 10:47 |
| kbrooks | Do I HAVE to sign the guidelines? | 10:47 |
| mdke | later all | 10:48 |
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| Mez | kbrooks, if you wish to eb a member of the NUN Mentor group | 10:49 |
| kbrooks | Mez: i am already one. but fine | 10:49 |
| Mez | kbrooks, I've deactivatrd everyone till they sign | 10:50 |
| Mez | and agree | 10:50 |
| Mez | It's only fair | 10:50 |
| kbrooks | uh. | 10:51 |
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| kbrooks | seahorse* | 10:51 |
| Mez | lol | 10:51 |
| Mez | anyways | 10:51 |
| Mez | Any other business? | 10:51 |
| tritium | Do you care to say anything more about NUN as it relates to IRC? | 10:51 |
| Mez | how do you mean tritium ? | 10:52 |
| kbrooks | next item: | 10:52 |
| kbrooks | # | 10:52 |
| kbrooks | # | 10:52 |
| kbrooks | New users may need some guidance on how best to get answers for their problems, e.g. on how to ask questions on IRC ([WWW] example IRC support guide) (JanClaeys) | 10:52 |
| kbrooks | you missed that? | 10:52 |
| Mez | JanC doesnt seem to be here | 10:52 |
| kbrooks | ah ok | 10:52 |
| bddebian | OK gents. My apologies but I must go. | 10:53 |
| Mez | no probs | 10:53 |
| JanC | yes I am | 10:53 |
| tritium | Mez, is there anything you want to coordinate with the ops in #ubuntu, for example. | 10:53 |
| kbrooks | JanC: we didnt see you! | 10:53 |
| Mez | tritium, I dont see anything that needs to be. | 10:53 |
| bddebian | Yes you need more late-night (EST) ops | 10:53 |
| Mez | JanC, I asked you to poke me. | 10:53 |
| Mez | #ubuntu ops need to go through CC IIRC | 10:53 |
| bddebian | Fair enough, just a suggestion | 10:54 |
| Mez | JanC, take the floow | 10:54 |
| Mez | floor | 10:54 |
| tritium | A problem we have in #ubuntu is that users don't know where to look for New User Documentation. I added the URL to the topic, but we frequently get the same old FAQs . | 10:54 |
| hybrid_goth | tritium: i.e. root | 10:54 |
| kbrooks | Yeah. | 10:54 |
| Mez | tritium, that's something we'll deal with as the NUG grows, at the moment, it's still a Work in progress | 10:54 |
| kbrooks | hybrid_goth: root? | 10:55 |
| JanC | I haven't followed everything | 10:55 |
| Mez | JanC, your item on the agenda, | 10:55 |
| JanC | but I just think people need help on how to ask help | 10:55 |
| Mez | do you want to talk about it now? | 10:55 |
| hybrid_goth | kbrooks: tell ya later | 10:55 |
| tritium | kbrooks, he means the RootSudo wiki page. Other examples: BinaryDriverHowto, Java | 10:55 |
| JanC | I found that link on someone's blog | 10:55 |
| JanC | he gives support on another channel I think | 10:56 |
| Burgundavia | JanC, was that my blog? (I am Corey Burger | 10:56 |
| Mez | JanC, while I think it might be a good addition to the wiki ? | 10:56 |
| hybrid_goth | JanC: like ppl asking to ask a question | 10:56 |
| JanC | hybrid_goth : that too | 10:56 |
| JanC | or people not asking questions | 10:57 |
| Mez | I don't think it's a good idea to publicise it too much, becuase otherwsie it'll jsut get people in the mindframe of saying "follow the guidelines to aska quesiton" and then people will just not answer them and look down on them | 10:57 |
| Mez | While I think they're a good idea, I dont think it's good to get people in that sort of mondframe, we don't want to tell people off or whatnot becaus ethye don't know how to aska quesiton, as it'll just put them off asking | 10:58 |
| hybrid_goth | Mez: I think he means guideline for more efficient answers | 10:58 |
| JanC | Mez : I'm thinking about it more as a guideline about how you get betetr answers | 10:58 |
| Mez | which is against what we want to do in the NUN | 10:58 |
| Mez | oh, fair enough, then that's not really a problem :D | 10:58 |
| JanC | it should be short & friendly | 10:58 |
| JanC | :) | 10:58 |
| Mez | JanC, draft something up, and poke me when it's ready? | 10:58 |
| Mez | and we'll go over it then | 10:59 |
| nalioth | the /topic in #ubuntu is getting large enough, should we have an /onjoin with other requisite info? | 10:59 |
| kbrooks | nalioth: agreed | 10:59 |
| tritium | not a bad idea, nalioth | 10:59 |
| Mez | nalioth, again i think that's for CC | 10:59 |
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| Mez | Any other business? | 11:00 |
| JanC | Mez : I'll look at the site I linked to & see if I can make it better (or friendlier ;-) | 11:00 |
| Mez | JanC, as i said, get a draft and poke me and we'll look over then | 11:01 |
| Mez | No Other business? | 11:01 |
| Mez | Ok, | 11:01 |
| Mez | same time in 2 weeks | 11:01 |
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| Mez | JanC, I'll ask you for a report in next meeting? | 11:03 |
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| JanC | k | 11:03 |
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| Mez | ty Corey | 11:04 |
| Burgundavia | np | 11:04 |
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