[12:06] <\sh> kdirstat now
[12:07] <comadreja> you too, huh ?
[12:07] <\sh> crazy or kdirstat?
[12:07] <\sh> ,-)
[12:08] <ajmitch> crazy
[12:08] <ajmitch> :)
[12:08] <\sh> for sure .)
[12:09] <\sh> yay again admin dir i hate it...no good upstream
[12:11] <bddebian> ogra: Still around?
[12:11] <ogra> bddebian, only half way... (hacking)
[12:11] <bddebian> ogra: OK, if you get a sec I am bddebian@comcast.net on bugzilla now
[12:12] <ogra> oki
[12:13] <ogra> done
[12:14] <bddebian> Wow, thx
[12:14] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[12:14] <bddebian> piuparts?
[12:14] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[12:14] <ajmitch> yes, piuparts
[12:14] <\sh> yay...qmake in clean target
[12:14] <bddebian>  apt-cache wtf is piuparts
[12:14] <Mithrandir> piuparts is love.
[12:14] <ajmitch> automated QA on packages
[12:14] <bddebian> :-)
[12:15] <ajmitch> installs, removes, checks for cruft left behind
[12:15] <bddebian> Nice
[12:15] <seth_k> my life
[12:15] <seth_k> the MOTU gnomes have been busy today
[12:15] <seth_k> I have like 9999999999999 packages to upgrade
[12:15] <bddebian> seth_k: Better get busy then :-)
[12:16] <seth_k> indeed :D
[12:16] <seth_k> I need some help with a silly .desktop file, however
[12:17] <\sh> I need a faster machine...
[12:17] <bddebian> I need a brain
[12:17] <seth_k> \sh, specs?
[12:17] <ajmitch> \sh: I'm hardly using mine.. :)
[12:18] <\sh> ajmitch: give me an account, pbuilders chroots and let me rock ,-)
[12:19] <comadreja> I've got a fixed merge, how do I send it. To any of you by mail ?
[12:19] <ajmitch> \sh: I don't think you'd like the 256/128 kbps speed
[12:19] <\sh> seth_k: sponsoring? ok..living in germany ,-) dual-core amd pls
[12:19] <bddebian> comadreja: Can you post it somewhere and put a link on MOTUMergeToDo or whatever that page is? :-)
[12:19] <\sh> ajmitch: just joking...:)
[12:19] <seth_k> no \sh, I meant your current setup :P
[12:20] <\sh> seth_k: laptop hp nc6000 pentium M 1.6GHz
[12:20] <\sh> 512 MB
[12:20] <ajmitch> nothing wrong with that
[12:20] <\sh> but with 2 cpus i could run 2 pbuilders faster ,-)
[12:20] <seth_k> haha
[12:21] <comadreja> bddebian : thanks :)
[12:21] <\sh> anyways..kdirstat ready to upload
[12:21] <\sh> qtstalkers next
[12:21] <comadreja> bddebian : is that really the way ?
[12:21] <seth_k> \sh, have time for a quick question about kmobiletools' .desktop file?
[12:21] <\sh> sure fire
[12:21] <seth_k> I have Categories=Qt;KDE;Utility; in it
[12:21] <seth_k> but it doesn't show up
[12:22] <\sh> install path?
[12:22] <seth_k>  /usr/share/applications/kde/
[12:22] <bddebian> comadreja: I don't know for sure since I'm not MOTU but I would guess so.  Unless you have upload rights.
[12:22] <comadreja> bddebian : it's a bit weird, because that way I can't close the bug
[12:23] <bddebian> comadreja: Aye.  Put a comment in the bug repot
[12:23] <bddebian> Err report even
[12:23] <\sh> hmmm
[12:23] <ajmitch> ogra: you're the one to bug about that?
[12:24] <ajmitch> seth_k: that's great, but you probably won't be around when I need things closed :)
[12:24] <ogra> ajmitch, andrew.mitchell@ ??
[12:25] <ajmitch> ogra: ajmitch@ihug.co.nz
[12:25] <\sh> seth_k: do u see it in the menu editor?
[12:25] <seth_k> ah, didn't know you didn't need it right now, sorry! and now you have editbugs too ;)
[12:26] <seth_k> \sh: I don't think so, but I will install my .deb again real quick and see. You do qtstalkers and I'll poke you again in a sec :)
[12:26] <\sh> oh qtstalker compiles in the bg...i will get some other packages :)
[12:28] <ogra> ajmitch, close these bugs :)
[12:30] <ajmitch> ogra: sure, thanks :)
[12:34] <seth_k> okay \sh, it does not appear in the Menu Editor
[12:38] <\sh> strange
[12:39] <\sh> ajmitch: would be nice if you can take them...I'm not the zope guy ;-)
[12:39] <ajmitch> \sh: yeah, I will
[12:39] <ajmitch> just struggling to get pbuilder to update properly
[12:39] <ajmitch> apt-proxy is having issues :)
[12:41] <comadreja> ok, any motu can test this https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9784
[12:41] <bddebian> Gotta head home.  Hopefully I can do some actual Ubuntu work tonight.. Later gang
[12:41] <seth_k> \sh, I know :( Here might give you a clue though: The file was installed to /usr/share/applnk/Utilities until I patched debian/rules and kmobiletools.desktop, so maybe somewhere I have to call an update menus function or something?
[12:41] <\sh> seth_k: no..u have to install it in /usr/share/applications/kde/ and /usr/share/applnk/Utilites ,-)
[12:42] <\sh> i just checked
[12:42] <seth_k> \sh, BOTH places? o_0
[12:42] <seth_k> \sh, then what is the point of installing in /applications/kde/ ?
[12:43] <ajmitch> 1 is for fd.o menu system :)
[12:43] <ajmitch> I think kde still uses applnk, right?
[12:44] <\sh> ajmitch: both
[12:44] <ajmitch> ugly
[12:44] <seth_k> KDE has supported the new standard since 3.2
[12:44] <seth_k> so \sh, why do I need to put it in both?
[12:44] <\sh> hoary used share/applications/kde
[12:44] <\sh> seth_k: please ping riddell for it ... I don't understand it either
[12:44] <seth_k> \sh, thank you for helping me :)
[12:45] <seth_k> Riddell was actually the one that had me move it to the /share/applications/kde directory :D
[12:45] <\sh> seth_k: sorry :( i actually asking me the same questions
[12:45] <\sh> hmm..
[12:46] <seth_k> ouch
[12:46] <seth_k> that sounds painful
[12:47] <\sh> seth_k: anyways..install it in those two locations if it works ,-)
[12:47] <\sh> we have to fix some more desktop files ...
[12:48] <seth_k> cheers \sh
[12:49] <\sh> polishing comes with time :) and we need some work left for bbdebian *lol*
[12:49] <seth_k> lol
[12:49] <ajmitch> finally got rid of md5sum errors on update :)
[12:49] <seth_k> yes, this is a new package for Ubuntu, so I guess polish can come later. But I hate doing things by halves
[12:50] <\sh> seth_k: oh...so don't work for my company ,-)
[12:55] <ogra> heh
[12:56] <\sh> yeah..ogra can approve my statement ,-)
[12:57] <\sh> and kiosktool is FTBFS damn
[12:57] <ogra> bah, use sabayon :)
[12:58] <\sh> no chance..mom says and mom overrules
[12:58] <ajmitch> heh
[12:59] <\sh> mkdir patchwork
[01:00] <ogra> just teach kde to use gconf ;) then sabayon will also work for you ;)
[01:00] <ogra> and you can put kiosktool into the morgue :)
[01:01] <\sh> hehe
[01:12] <\sh> qterm uploaded
[01:12] <\sh> kiosktool, I hope, fixed now
[01:13] <seth_k> gogo \sh, you are on a roll ;)
[01:14] <\sh> seth_k: do the libaa transition pls :)
[01:14] <\sh> and some other transitions ,-)
[01:14] <seth_k> haha
[01:15] <\sh> seth_k: no joke :) ask ogra :)
[01:16] <ajmitch> mdz was talking with infinity about those earlier..
[01:16] <ajmitch> did he decide on what we are to do?
[01:17] <\sh> yes, we will. yes, we need to. as I understand this...and yes, we need more hands...we need a miracle
[01:19] <seth_k> \sh, where can I find out how to help? MOTUGLUTransition doesn't say much
[01:19] <\sh> seth_k: search for libaa on the wiki..someone made a page
[01:19] <\sh> i think siretart did
[01:19] <seth_k> ok
[01:19] <\sh> BUT
[01:20] <\sh> we will get some new informations
[01:22] <seth_k> no matches for libaa or aalib :/
[01:22] <seth_k> so gimmie these new informations
[01:23] <\sh> seth_k: i don't have any...and right now...http://tinyurl.com/apx5k
[01:23] <\sh> take some
[01:24] <seth_k> ok, I'll get to it
[01:25] <tseng> schweeb!!!!!!!!!
[01:26] <ajmitch> hey tseng
[01:26] <tseng> i
[01:26] <tseng> hi
[01:26] <schweeb> hiya
[01:27] <ajmitch> \sh: that's a fairly small list :)
[01:28] <schweeb> someone find me somethingeasy to work on... I'm bored, but don't want to exert too much brainpower
[01:28] <\sh> ajmitch: yes :) only fingermagic *lol*
[01:28] <\sh> and kiosktool is for tomorrow...
[01:31] <ajmitch> \sh: so you'll want that list finished by monday, right?
[01:31] <ajmitch> hi tritium
[01:31] <tritium> hi ajmitch
[01:31] <tritium> How are you?
[01:33] <\sh> ajmitch: today? ,-)
[01:35] <\sh> ajmitch: joking ,-)
[01:35] <Nafallo> yay! no mkfontdir, xkbcomp or mkfontscale exists on my system :-P
[01:35] <\sh> ajmitch: but asap
[01:35] <tseng> Nafallo: dont forget xrdb
[01:36] <Nafallo> tseng: indeed ;-)
[01:37] <robitaille> tritium:  I have been playing with irkscape to edit postscipts.  Works pretty well for simple ones.
[01:39] <Nafallo> tseng: are those normal to be missing with -43?
[01:39] <tseng> beats me
[01:42] <schweeb> tseng: find me easy pkgs to work on
[01:42] <schweeb> !
[01:42] <tseng> how about
[01:42] <tseng> gsf-sharp
[01:42] <tseng> i did gmime for you
[01:43] <schweeb> what should I do w/ that one... there have been no upstream changes since I packaged it
[01:43] <tseng> beats me
[01:43] <schweeb> not a single CVS commit even
[01:43] <tseng> its probably "old" mono policy
[01:43] <tseng> dh_netdeps
[01:44] <ogra> schweeb, else see topic, we have 200 open merge bugs that should have been closed today
[01:44] <schweeb> ah, stuff from MoM
[01:45] <seth_k> what's the best method of attack for those?
[01:45] <ajmitch> hit them at full speed
[01:45] <\sh> hmm...
[01:45] <\sh> looks like lamont or infinity put a rate limit on sh at sourcecode
[01:46] <\sh> ;-)
[01:46] <ajmitch> heh
[01:46] <lamont> ??
[01:46] <\sh> the packages are not compiling fast enough ,-)
[01:48] <\sh> yay..two sources ... two breaks
[01:48] <lamont> you only get to have 3 concurrent builds on each architecture at once...
[01:48] <schweeb> tseng: muine probs... I BLAME YOU
[01:49] <\sh> lamont: just joking :)
[01:49] <lamont> wow.  hppa ran out of better things to do, and is building gcc-4.0
[01:50] <\sh> ok..no c++ fixes this night
[01:50] <\sh> last package for today...icewm
[01:50] <ajmitch> schweeb: sure, blame tseng
[01:50] <tseng> its surely something I did
[01:51] <ajmitch> of course
[01:51] <tseng> intentionally, too
[01:51] <tseng> just for schweeb
[01:51] <ajmitch> I wish I had that power
[01:51] <tseng> this is why mono wrapper scripts are in bash
[01:52] <crimsun> ok, MoM time, but first, food
[01:52] <ajmitch> and that vindictive streak
[01:52] <tseng> easy to sneak in an if `whoami` == schweeb && explode;
[01:52] <\sh> hmm...and listening to "Smokey - Living Next Door To Alice" makes MoM work much faster, strange
[01:53] <ajmitch> so how long does it take debian bts to process mail at the moment?
[01:54] <\sh> ok..no icewm for tonight..needs more love and this is something i can't give tonight anymore...
[01:55] <ajmitch> you're not going to sleep, are you?
[01:55] <\sh> yes..I need to go to work at 4 utc
[01:56] <\sh> ok..gentlemen...you rock now...and ogra finishes his xscreensaver..
[01:56] <schweeb> I'm gonna make so much bling this year
[01:57] <schweeb> tseng is such a chump.
[01:57] <schweeb> :p
[01:57] <ogra> \sh, i'd love to... but it rather looks like i'll uploadit unfinished....
[01:58] <ogra> :(
[01:58] <Nafallo> \sh: can't. got an early train to catch tomorrow ;-).
[01:58] <ogra> still loads of conde to clean up...
[01:58] <\sh> Nafallo: hehe...
[01:58] <ogra> s/conde/code
[01:58] <\sh> ogra: well...kiosktool, licq, icewm needs some special love...
[01:58] <ogra> yep
[01:58] <Nafallo> I'll just have to fix xorg before that *grumbles*
[01:58] <\sh> the rest comes later today
[01:59] <\sh> in the evening then brain reset with george...and when I'm home and braindead..let's do the rest of the 200 packs
[01:59] <Nafallo> \sh: feel free to upload my stuff from MOTUToMerge if you haven't done so already :-)
[02:00] <\sh> Nafallo: later today
[02:00] <tseng> schweeb: at least i wont be replaced by a robot with one arm
[02:00] <ajmitch> ogra: it's part of the desperate need for new versions
[02:00] <\sh> ogra: actually, I told you to learn the Gentoo way, man, hard guys do hard work ,-)
[02:00] <Nafallo> ogra: I didn't. I thought -43 was a good one :-P
[02:00] <Nafallo> \sh: oki. thanx :-).
[02:00] <tseng> \sh: blah
[02:00] <\sh> harhar
[02:01] <ajmitch> bbl
[02:01] <ogra> \sh, currently it looks like "hard men do *no* work" becuase they have broken xservers
[02:01] <\sh> ogra: well..I have a broken xserver..
[02:01] <\sh> and}
[02:01] <\sh> ?
[02:01] <ogra> i dont :)
[02:01] <\sh> excuses excuses
[02:02] <ogra> pfft
[02:02] <\sh> lemme drink something..and have a last cigarette with u...
[02:02] <schweeb> my X server works :p
[02:03] <\sh> yay...scotch
[02:04] <Nafallo> ogra: are you saying that you have a xbase-clients=<6.8.2-42, amd64 for me? :-)
[02:04] <ogra> heh, nope... i have a -29 ? or 31... no idea
[02:04] <Nafallo> ogra: that's less than -42 ;-). care to make it wgetable? :-)
[02:05] <ogra> err...
[02:05] <ogra> hmm
[02:05] <ogra> apt-cron was so nice to overwrite my cache contents... i have a lot of 43....
[02:05] <\sh> .oO(I do, I don't , I do, I don't...)
[02:06] <ogra> only the installed bits are -3X no packages, sorry
[02:06] <ogra> ah, -34 is installed actually
[02:07] <Nafallo> dang. anyone else has xbase-clients less than -42 for amd64? :-)
[02:09] <\sh> better to go to bed now..at least I don't want to listen to "the never ending story"
[02:09] <\sh> ok..guys..cu later today
[02:17] <tritium> hi crimsun
[02:17] <crimsun> hi tritium
[02:17] <crimsun> ready for tomorrow? :)
[02:17] <tritium> Yeah, except for one slight problem...
[02:18] <tritium> I went to the room that I scheduled 2 months ago, and I found that they removed the projector
[02:18] <crimsun> d'oh
[02:18] <tritium> I was never notified, so I'm scrambling here after hours to try to find an alternate location
[02:18] <crimsun> does the dept have projectors you can get on loan?
[02:19] <tritium> I'll check on that first thing in the morning.   I believe so.
[02:19] <crimsun> yeah, you should definitely take the night off
[02:20] <tritium> yeah, I think I'll do that.  If everything goes smoothly tomorrow, I'll try to help out with the merging, if I can
[02:20] <crimsun> that'd be cool, but no sweat. Relaxing after your defense comes first. :)
[02:20] <tritium> Thanks :)
[02:23] <crimsun> and g'luck, of course
[02:23] <tritium> thanks, crimsun.
[02:23] <crimsun> time to tackle some MoM on my dinner break ;)
[02:23] <tritium> Okay.  I'll catch you tomorrow.
[02:23] <crimsun> cya
[02:24] <tritium> ogra, if you can think of how I can best help out tomorrow afternoon (given that I've been inactive for a while), please let me know
[02:26] <ogra> tritium, easy, look through the merge buglist in the topic, tag all bugs there where the sourcepackage has no dropped.patch file as pendingupload :)
[02:26] <ogra> that would be a real helpful thing
[02:27] <tritium> okay, I'll get started after my defense tomorrow
[02:27] <tritium> good night!
[02:27] <ogra> additionally you can merge the ones with drpped.patch file indeed, if the tagging gets to boring
[02:27] <ogra> night tritium
[02:27] <ogra> and night all
[02:28] <Nafallo> hmm
[02:28] <Nafallo> now I feel sorry for daniels ;-)
[02:28] <schweeb> Nafallo: I was thinking the same thing
[02:28] <schweeb> lol
[02:28] <tritium> okay, I don't recall the merging process.  I try to re-learn it tomorrow.  If I'm not too much trouble, I might need some pointers.
[02:29] <ogra> tritium, there is a link to a readme in every bug ;)
[02:29] <tritium> super fantastic
[02:29] <ogra> :)
[02:29] <tritium> Okay, see you all later
[02:43] <crimsun> ogra, are we still building python2.3 versions of packages?
[02:43] <tseng> some
[02:43] <crimsun> or just python2.4 now?
[02:43] <tseng> alot of packages build multiple versions
[02:44] <ogra> we still tyr to keep in sync with debian, so 2.3 is required
[02:45] <crimsun> but not 2.2, correct?
[02:45] <crimsun> or just try to minimize differences between debian's and ours?
[02:45] <crimsun> (pymad builds versions for 2.[234] )
[02:53] <comadreja> I need a motu to review two merge patches I've sent
[02:54] <comadreja> or even better, how I set the bug on something like TOREVIEW ?
[02:55] <comadreja> well, in case somebody reads this later they are numbers 9784 and 9795
[03:02] <ajmitch> py 2.3 is required for zope, so it's useful to have python modules being 2.3 as well :)
[03:05] <crimsun> will just merge Debian's changes
[03:30] <bddebian> Any C++ gurus awake? :-)
[03:35] <ajmitch> nope
[03:37] <chillywilly> c++ sucks
[03:37] <chillywilly> :P
[03:37] <chillywilly> what do you want to know bddebian?
[03:39] <bddebian> Heya chillywilly
[03:40] <ajmitch> hello chillywilly
[03:41] <bddebian> I wanna know why this pukes:  "CMsgViewTips *tips;"   I get:
[03:41] <bddebian> messagebox.h:48: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'CMsgViewTips' with no type
[03:41] <bddebian> messagebox.h:48: error: expected ';' before '*' token
[03:42] <bddebian> But afaict it's a class, so something like "void CMsgViewTips (*tips);" would be invalid wouldn't it?
[03:46] <ajmitch> what package?
[03:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: licq
[03:53] <bddebian> :-)
[03:54] <ajmitch> ah, our friend 'friend class'
[03:54] <bddebian> Aye
[03:55] <bddebian> Does it ftbfs for you too?
[03:55] <ajmitch> I haven't tried building yet
[03:55] <bddebian> Oh :-)
[03:59] <bddebian> Cheater :-)
[03:59] <ajmitch> since this issue was talked about only 4 days ago on the licq list
[03:59] <bddebian> I can do that then, unless you want to
[04:02] <ajmitch> simple 1 line fix
[04:02] <ajmitch> add 'class CMsgViewTips;' below 'class MsgView;'
[04:03] <ajmitch> same thing that has happened in plenty of other packages :)
[04:04] <ajmitch> there's already a debian/patches dir, thankfully
[04:07] <bddebian> Why such strange numbering on the patches??
[04:08] <ajmitch> what do you mean, strange?
[04:08] <bddebian> 01, 30, 3x, 40, 90, 99??
[04:08] <ajmitch> the numbers indicate the order to apply
[04:08] <ajmitch> so some people leave plenty of room
[04:08] <bddebian> Ahh
[04:09] <ajmitch> if you're really concerned, email the maintainer & find out :)
[04:09] <ajmitch> might as well file a patch in debian BTS since he'll have to do the c++ transition as well
[04:09] <bddebian> pfft :-)
[04:10] <ajmitch> why the mocking 'pfft'?
[04:11] <bddebian> I'm kidding.  Sheesh.
[04:18] <bddebian> patch applied, let's see if she builds.. :-)
[04:24] <chillywilly> ah, forward c++ declaration
[04:24] <chillywilly> weee
[04:25] <bddebian> Damnit, now it doesn't apply to fresh source download.. :-(
[04:25] <chillywilly> I love firefly
[04:26] <chillywilly> sweet mplayer plugin works
[04:26] <chillywilly> built a deb from source in debian sid
[04:26] <chillywilly> 2.85 is mucho better than 2.80
[04:28] <bddebian> D00d, way to play :-)
[04:29] <chillywilly> you can even make it full screen
[04:29] <chillywilly> this plugin rocks
[04:32] <chillywilly> the serenity movie looks cool
[04:33] <ajmitch> chillywilly: is it that much better than what is currently in breezy?
[04:33] <chillywilly> I dunno I followed some instructions on the forums
[04:33] <chillywilly> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44560
[04:34] <chillywilly> the ones a little ways down talking about how they built the deb
[04:34] <chillywilly> one*
[04:34] <chillywilly> what's in breezy?
[04:34] <chillywilly> 2.80?
[04:34] <ajmitch> I don't know
[04:34] <ajmitch> that's why I was asking you
[04:35] <ajmitch> 2.70-1ubuntu1, needs sync
[04:36] <chillywilly> breezy has the crappy 2.70 version
[04:36] <chillywilly> that version sucks wrt featured
[04:36] <chillywilly> features too
[04:36] <ajmitch> oh, and the debian maintainer is rene engelhard.. fun
[04:37] <chillywilly> is he a difficult person to work with?
[04:37] <ajmitch> he vocally subscribes to the Vast Ubuntu Conspiracy theories on irc :)
[04:38] <chillywilly> on which channel does he do this?
[04:38] <ajmitch> debian channels
[04:38] <chillywilly> #debian-devel?
[04:38] <ajmitch> yes
[04:38] <ajmitch> it's a little disappointing
[04:38] <bddebian> What nick?
[04:38] <chillywilly> yea, what's his nick
[04:38] <ajmitch> bddebian: does it matter?
[04:38] <chillywilly> not really
[04:38] <ajmitch> good
[04:39] <bddebian> ajmitch: No, I just probably know him since I hang out in #d-d
[04:39] <ajmitch> because I don't want to keep talking about DDs :)
[04:39] <bddebian> ajmitch: If I post this dpatch I made up, could you take a look?  It keeps failing on me.. :-(
[04:40] <chillywilly> btw, I found the new maintainers guide a little lacking
[04:40] <bddebian> Aye
[04:40] <chillywilly> should list more tools adn what they do
[04:40] <chillywilly> and*
[04:40] <chillywilly> cause I know there's a bunch more that everyone here uses
[04:41] <ajmitch> chillywilly: sure, file a bug with a patch :)
[04:41] <ajmitch> bddebian: I can look
[04:41] <chillywilly> ajmitch: I don't even know all the tools yet so how can I document it?
[04:41] <bddebian> ajmitch: http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/ubuntu/licq/95_CMsgViewTips.dpatch
[04:41] <chillywilly> who maintain mplayer and the plugin for ubuntu?
[04:41] <ajmitch> I wonder what Unfrgiven has been up to with his docs
[04:41] <chillywilly> maintains
[04:42] <ajmitch> bddebian: any reason you called it that?
[04:42] <bddebian> chillywilly: There are about 12 different ways to build a package :-)
[04:42] <ajmitch> chillywilly: mplayerplugin would be the MOTUs, I'd say
[04:42] <bddebian> ajmitch: No
[04:42] <chillywilly> bddebian: yea and that's a real shame when it's not covered anywhere
[04:43] <bddebian> chillywilly: Well try finding some docs on CDBS ;-)
[04:43] <ajmitch> chillywilly: then please make a note of it somewhere, at least
[04:43] <chillywilly> I knwo even know what cdbs is
[04:43] <chillywilly> I don't know
[04:43] <chillywilly> bah
[04:43] <bddebian> Common Debian Build System iirc
[04:43] <chillywilly> yay...
[04:43] <bddebian> Another way to make packages :-)
[04:43] <chillywilly> farkin' eh
[04:44] <chillywilly> I think I might remember the new maintainers guide briefly mentioning it
[04:44] <chillywilly> then again I could be on crack
[04:45] <chillywilly> well, from what I could tell from that guide the most difficult part is knowing policy and writing the 'rules' file
[04:45] <ajmitch> yes
[04:45] <chillywilly> and know what dh_XXX thingy to call
[04:45] <chillywilly> :)
[04:45] <ajmitch> and with cdbs you can often get away with being cluelss about what goes on :)
[04:45] <chillywilly> knowing too
[04:45] <chillywilly> heh
[04:45] <ajmitch> which is why a number of debian people dislike cdbs
[04:46] <chillywilly> well I can't see how anything is difficult when you can hack packages to your heart's content ;)
[04:47] <chillywilly> you could build your very own repo of stuff that you need :)
[04:47] <chillywilly> like a newer netatalk ;)
[04:47] <chillywilly> or smartmontools
[04:47] <chillywilly> :)
[04:48] <ajmitch> right..
[04:48] <chillywilly> he's probably drinking beer and grilling some steaks about now
[04:48] <chillywilly> there is no connection
[04:48] <ajmitch> so it was just another tangent?
[04:48] <chillywilly> yeppers
[04:48] <bddebian> ajmitch: So did I totally screw it up?
[04:49] <ajmitch> bddebian: I haven't had time to look yet
[04:49] <chillywilly> what are you doing right now ajmitch ?
[04:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: Oh sorry, I thought since you asked about the name, you were looking
[04:50] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[04:50] <crimsun> heya bddebian
[04:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: no, I looked at the url
[04:50] <ajmitch> hello crimsun
[04:50] <chillywilly> mozilla-mplayer is in multiverse
[04:50] <crimsun> heya ajmitch
[04:50] <ajmitch> chillywilly: yes
[04:51] <chillywilly> is the masters of he multiverse too?
[04:51] <chillywilly> ;P
[04:51] <chillywilly> this*
[04:51] <ajmitch> yes
[04:51] <bddebian> ajmitch: Oh, sorry
[04:51] <chillywilly> masters of the verse
[04:52] <chillywilly> wtf is a "silver" supporter of the pdpc?
[04:52] <chillywilly> you gave so much money you they made you a virtual plaque?
[04:52] <ajmitch> try google
[04:52] <ajmitch> or the freenode website
[04:52] <chillywilly> ajmitch: shut it
[04:52] <crimsun> chillywilly: yeah man, it's hot.
[04:52] <chillywilly> or nto
[04:53] <chillywilly> not
[04:53] <ajmitch> chillywilly: enough of that
[04:53] <chillywilly> ajmitch: are you threatening me?
[04:54] <crimsun> chillywilly: you've got, like, productive stuff to do?!
[04:55] <ajmitch> bddebian: I don't see the kde-gui plugin here
[04:56] <bddebian> ajmitch: In my patch?
[04:57] <ajmitch> bddebian: in the source
[04:58] <bddebian> Hmm, whacy
[04:58] <bddebian> Err whacky even :-)
[04:58] <ajmitch> bddebian: did you add it to 00list?
[04:58] <bddebian> Aye
[04:58] <bddebian> Got a better name for it before I "fix" it? :-)
[05:00] <ajmitch> I'd usually name it something related to gcc 4.0 fixing
[05:00] <bddebian> gcc4_class.dpatch?
[05:02] <ajmitch> whatever works
[05:03] <crimsun> d'oh, my public key in the uploader keyring expired. No wonder I haven't seen an ACCEPT.
[05:03] <bddebian> Well you obviously didn't like my first shot at it :-)
[05:04] <ajmitch> crimsun: need to get your key resigned?
[05:04] <crimsun> ajmitch: I think elmo just needs to merge an updated one
[05:05] <crimsun> but sure, more signings wouldn't hurt
[05:10] <bddebian> OK so I ripped out the kde-gui part and it still won't apply :-(
[05:15] <ajmitch> ah, that applied fine..
[05:15] <ajmitch> now to see if it builds
[05:16] <bddebian> :'-(
[05:16] <ajmitch> what hint?
[05:17] <ajmitch> I was just commenting on my box not producing packages instantly
[05:17] <bddebian> :-)
[05:25] <bddebian> and waits....
[05:26] <ajmitch> pretty much
[05:26] <ajmitch> until a get a dual-core box with 4+ GB of RAM, I'll be waiting a lot time for builds :)
[05:31] <ajmitch> bddebian: build success
[05:31] <bddebian> ajmitch: I hate you :-)
[05:31] <ajmitch> :(
[05:31] <bddebian> I'm kidding again
[05:32] <bddebian> I'm just jealous because I'm st00pid
[05:32] <ajmitch> nah
[05:32] <ajmitch> you did things pretty much right
[05:33] <ajmitch> except that the build does silly things like cp -a plugins/qt-gui plugins/kde-gui
[05:33] <ajmitch> which gave you kde-gui as well
[05:33] <ajmitch> and I used dpatch-edit-patch to get the patch
[05:33] <bddebian> Ahh
[05:35] <bddebian> ajmitch: You gonna update bugzilla and send to Debian BTS?
[05:37] <ajmitch> it's your package to fix :)
[05:39] <bddebian> I'm not an MOTU
[05:39] <bddebian> I'm just trying to help and failing consistently :-)
[05:41] <ajmitch> well you helped here
[05:41] <ajmitch> so you might as well stick up the fixed package and we can sign it off
[05:41] <ajmitch> I can't run licq & test if it works ok
[05:42] <bddebian> Well it builds doesn't it. ;-)
[05:43] <ajmitch> yes..
[05:43] <ajmitch> even MS software builds :)
[05:43] <bddebian> Heh, touche
[05:48] <bddebian> Dang, who is Sebastian Droge?  He seems to be fixing EVERYTHING :-)
[05:50] <ajmitch> yes, and some of those fixes aren't too hard - you just need to find more packages like that :)
[05:51] <bddebian> That's what I was trying to do :-)
[05:55] <ajmitch> I really need to have xen instead of chroots
[05:56] <bddebian> ajmitch: If you are bored, upload that fix :-)
[05:56] <bddebian> ajmitch: No work tonight?
[05:57] <ajmitch> I am at work
[05:57] <bddebian> Ahh
[05:57] <ajmitch> I'm setting up this chroot for testing some work stuff :)
[05:58] <bddebian> Ahhh
[06:00] <bddebian> pysvn builds fine
[06:00] <ajmitch> good to hear
[06:00] <ajmitch> by the stage that I have some spare time, there'll be nothing left for me to do :)
[06:03] <bddebian> Hmm, do I even wanna attempt icewm? :-)
[06:03] <bddebian> Oh, \sh has that one
[06:06] <bddebian> Hmm, the only dropped patch was a changelog update to standards version 3.6.2.  Probably not worth integrating??
[06:08] <ajmitch> we like to stay as close to debian as possible
[06:08] <ajmitch> minimises pain later
[06:08] <bddebian> OK
[06:09] <bddebian> But is it worthwhile for us non-MOTU types to even generate patches/debdiffs if someone else has to do them anyway??
[06:10] <ajmitch> might not be, could be good just to leave a note on the wiki or bugreport
[06:20] <bddebian> OK, if I attach a debdiff to the bug, what should the status be?  It can't be pendingupload can it?
[06:25] <ajmitch> might as well be
[06:25] <ajmitch> well
[06:26] <ajmitch> a MOTU hasn't checked it, but you've said that it works
[06:26] <ajmitch> I don't know what the other statuses might be
[06:26] <bddebian> Not a lot :-)
[06:31] <bddebian> Well time for bed I supposed.  Later ajmitch and thanks.
[08:01] <HostingGeek> http://web.archive.org/web/19990224043535/www.google.com/stickers.html
[08:59] <\sh> morning guys
[08:59] <Treenaks> morning \sh
[09:19] <\sh> giving icewm some love
[09:20] <Treenaks> ice ice baby
[09:45] <cat> hey everyone
[09:45] <cat> ogra: hey dude,
[09:47] <ogra> hi
[09:50] <\sh> ogra: mdz made a decision for the merge freeze?
[09:50] <\sh> do we get more time for it?
[09:53] <ogra> \sh, lets just go on, i have had no answer, but i doubt mdz will leave ot 200 pkgs :)
[09:54] <\sh> k
[10:09] <\sh> funny
[10:09] <\sh> first they say: I should order more then 10 cds
[10:10] <\sh> now I order 100 x86 + 50 ppc + 50 amd64
[10:10] <\sh> and then shipit tells me...i need to talk to mako, why I order so many
[10:10] <\sh> *har*
[10:10] <cat> i only order 10 x86 cds and still haven't get them
[10:11] <\sh> should I write: dear mako, i never received my 50 x86, 25 ppc and 25 amd64? now I have requests from local lugs here for giving out cds?
[10:12] <\sh> or: dear mako, i can't live without them? it's a replacement for my teddy?
[10:12] <\sh> no..i think the first one is the truth :)
[11:34] <\sh> licq is done..patched fixed uploaded..yay
[12:08] <ogra> SloMo_, ping
[12:09] <ogra> SloMo_, have another look at #10103 please
[12:57] <\sh> SloMo_: ping
[01:14] <\sh> ogra: did u find out how slomo created the debdiffs?
[01:14] <\sh> I only get rejects
[01:16] <ogra> \sh, nope
[01:16] <ogra> but i get reject too... i focsed for the pieces without dropped.patch for now
[01:17] <\sh> ogra: yeah...I'm just working on the list...
[01:18] <ogra> eeeek
[01:20] <\sh> u don't mind if i take the kde/qt stuff?
[01:20] <\sh> ,-)
[01:20] <ogra> heh, nope
[01:20] <\sh> ok...took a bunch ,-)
[01:33] <ogra> did anybody here touch pymad and didnt close the bug ?
[01:33] <ogra> i'm getting very weird reject mails from katie
[01:53] <\sh> what is it?
[01:53] <ogra> Rejected: internal error while performing signature check on pymad_0.5.4-1ubuntu2.dsc.
[01:53] <ogra> found duplicate status token ('KEYEXPIRED').
[01:53] <ogra> found duplicate status token ('KEYEXPIRED').
[01:53] <ogra> found duplicate status token ('KEYEXPIRED').
[01:53] <ogra> found duplicate status token ('KEYEXPIRED').
[01:53] <ogra> found duplicate status token ('KEYEXPIRED').
[01:53] <ogra> found duplicate status token ('KEYEXPIRED').
[01:53] <\sh> eyexpired?
[01:54] <\sh> 0.5.2-1ubuntu1
[01:54] <\sh> ?
[01:54] <ogra> and the md5sums dont match, but i only performed one upload and the sums are doublechecked
[01:54] <\sh> so no
[01:54] <Treenaks> ogra: your key expired?
[01:54] <ogra> Treenaks, the upload 5min before worked
[01:54] <\sh> and I need xmkmf
[01:54] <\sh> damn
[01:55] <\sh> we have too many transitions at the same time
[01:55] <ogra> and since the md5's and the filesize dont match in the upload queue, i suspect someone uploaded it already...
[01:55] <ogra> \sh, look forward to slang2 and libaa :)
[01:56] <\sh> ogra: ah...I merge first ,-)
[01:56] <ogra> heh
[01:56] <\sh> one step after another
[01:56] <\sh> I'm not on the run ,-)
[01:56] <ogra> the slang2 change will take place soon in main...
[01:57] <\sh> i don't find any accouncement of an upload
[01:57] <\sh> meeting..brb
[01:57] <ogra> ogra@honk:~/Desktop $ apt-cache rdepends slang1|wc -l
[01:57] <ogra> 48
[01:57] <ogra> ogra@honk:~/Desktop $ apt-cache rdepends aalib1|wc -l
[01:57] <ogra> 33
[02:22] <\sh> back
[02:22] <\sh> ogra: not more?
[02:22] <ogra> heh
[02:23] <\sh> finer magic
[02:23] <\sh> +g
[02:24] <Treenaks> finer finger magic ;)
[02:39] <\sh> can someone explain to me, why I get always the shitty code with patch work?
[02:44] <Riddell> \sh: fancy reviewing datakiosk at some point?
[02:45] <SloMo_> ogra, \sh: pong ;)
[02:45] <\sh> Riddell: tomorrow
[02:46] <\sh> SloMo_: how did u created the debdiffs of your MOTUToMerge Stuff?
[02:46] <SloMo_> against the old ubuntu version when nothing else is written next to them
[02:46] <SloMo_> ogra suggested me to do it that way
[02:47] <SloMo_> linkchecker/gatos debdiffs are against plain new debian version (is written next to the debdiffs) as the ubuntu-debdiff would be really too large
[02:48] <Amaranth> %&*#$
[02:48] <Amaranth> blam sync from debian broke things
[02:48] <ogra> SloMo_, it didnt work it seems...
[02:48] <ogra> at least for linkchecker the patch doesnt apply
[02:48] <\sh> SloMo_: because...tomboys debdiff doesn't work correctly
[02:49] <Amaranth> you guys are actually using these things to make sure they work, right?
[02:49] <SloMo_> ok wait... i'll test both...
[02:49] <Amaranth> i mean, after you merge them
[02:49] <ogra> Amaranth, no need to... merging is more important.... as long as we fix them later
[02:50] <Amaranth> ok...
[02:50] <SloMo_> ogra: linkchecker applies for me against the plain debian version (http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/linkchecker)
[02:50] <Amaranth> if malone works today i'll start filing bugs
[02:50] <ogra> SloMo_, it doesnt here
[02:50] <SloMo_> hum... weird
[02:51] <ogra> Amaranth, great :)
[02:51] <\sh> SloMo_: so u r using the plain debian version and not the one from the merge?
[02:52] <SloMo_> \sh: for tomboy I used the ubuntu version which is currently in the archives (which was the suggested way to do the debdiffs)
[02:52] <SloMo_> and this also applies here
[02:53] <SloMo_> ogra: what are the rejects?
[02:53] <ogra> wait, i have to download the source again
[02:56] <SloMo_> hmm... i'm away until the evening... just leave this stuff alone until i'm back when the patch doesn't apply... i try to be back as fast as possible
[02:58] <Amaranth> omgwtfhax
[02:58] <Amaranth> 'The email address 'alleykat@gmail.com', which you're trying to use to login has not yet been validated to use in Launchpad. We sent an email to that address with instructions on how to confirm that it belongs to you. As soon as we have that confirmation you'll be able to log into Launchpad.'
[02:59] <ogra> SloMo_, http://www.grawert.net/linkchecker.txt
[03:06] <\sh> grmpf kwave grrr...
[03:11] <ogra> GRR
[03:39] <chillywilly> geez, I cannot install the build-deps for mozilla-mplayer so I can build a new deb with 2.85
[03:39] <chillywilly> this worked on my machine at home though
[03:41] <chillywilly> E: Build-dependencies for mozilla-mplayer could not be satisfied.
[03:41] <chillywilly> :(
[03:43] <chillywilly> wth...
[03:47] <chillywilly> grrr
[04:04] <\sh> psi?
[04:04] <\sh> libqcalc2?
[04:04] <\sh> dependency?
[04:04] <\sh> woot?
[04:08] <ogra> err, leave mplayer alone, it will have to wait for the slang2 transition
[04:10] <bddebian> Morning
[04:10] <Ng> are you guys anything to do with multiverse? or just universe?
[04:12] <\sh> (multi && uni)verse
[04:13] <Ng> ok, groovy, because I'm trying to get ucbmpeg to work, but the amd64 package in multiverse is compiled against the wrong libc and the source package fails to compile with an ld segfault ;)
[04:13] <\sh> warty / hoary / breezy ?
[04:14] <Ng> oops sorry. hoary :)
[04:14] <\sh> so fix it for breezy :) and join the MOTU :)
[04:14] <\sh> argl...I sound like ogra
[04:14] <Ng> I've only just gone back to hoary after screwing my breezy install! ;)
[04:15] <ogra> \sh, great, thats the right way :)
[04:15] <Ng> plus I don't really know what's wrong with it, if ld is segfaulting that implies to me there is some deep voodoo at work ;)
[04:15] <\sh> ld is segfaulting?
[04:15] <Ng> yeah, normally I'd take that as a sign that my machine is in trouble, but it happens identically (as far as I can see) on two amd64 hoary boxes
[04:16] <Ng> it seems to be an assertion that's making it die
[04:16] <\sh> as I said..I need an amd64 box...
[04:16] <\sh> ogra: do u know anything about it?
[04:17] <ogra> hmm, i didnt know there is a ucbmpeg for amd64 at all
[04:17] <tseng> its in debian
[04:18] <Ng> aha
[04:18] <Ng> I think I see the problem here
[04:23] <Ng> gonna need a newer binutils :/
[04:23] <ogra> it doesnt look like it will easily compile with gcc-4.0
[04:24] <Ng> the alternative is that I persuade motion to build against the ffmpeg in hoary so I can use that to make mpegs
[04:24] <Ng> but that's not looking hopeful either
[04:29] <bddebian> ogra: If you get a free second, could you look at this bug and tell me if I should set it as pendingupload?  I attached a debdiff. https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12562
[04:30] <chillywilly> when is the next release? october?
[04:30] <chillywilly> anyone know why I cannot install build-dep of mozilla-mplayer?
[04:31] <bddebian> chillywilly: Because it's missing?
[04:31] <ogra> chillywilly, because we are in the middle/at the start of several transitions... lots of packages need fixing
[04:32] <chillywilly> I am not using breezy
[04:32] <ogra> chillywilly, and especially touching mplayer stuff *now* is just wasted time.... as i said above
[04:32] <ogra> oh
[04:32] <chillywilly> um, I want the plugin for my own use
[04:32] <bddebian> chillywilly: Well apt-get dist-upgrade homey
[04:32] <chillywilly> will anything break?
[04:32] <bddebian> Probably :-)
[04:32] <ogra> everything... currently
[04:33] <chillywilly> then screw that ;)
[04:34] <chillywilly> what I was wondering what why I cannot do this on hoary: sudo apt-get build-dep mozilla-mplayer
[04:34] <chillywilly> worked at home but not here and the sources.list is identical, afaict
[04:34] <ogra> bddebian, hahaha, the dropped.patch in 12562 is to funny
[04:34] <ogra> -Standards-Version: 3.6.1
[04:34] <ogra> +Standards-Version: 3.6.2
[04:34] <bddebian> chillywilly: Do you know which packages don't install?
[04:34] <bddebian> ogra: I know.  I found another one like that this morning :-)
[04:34] <chillywilly> no, this is what it tells me:
[04:35] <chillywilly> E: Build-dependencies for mozilla-mplayer could not be satisfied.
[04:35] <chillywilly> that's it
[04:35] <ogra> yes, its a automerger... it merges every nonsense :)
[04:35] <bddebian> chillywilly: Pull the source (apt-get source xxx).  Then run debuild or dpkg-buildpackage and it will tell you all the dependent packages.  Try to install them manually and see what breaks
[04:36] <ogra> chillywilly, apt-get depends mozilla-mplayer is your friend
[04:36] <ogra> err, apt-cache
[04:36] <chillywilly> k
[04:37] <bddebian> ogra: So should I not even bother "patching" those type of dropped patches?  ajmitch though I should.
[04:37] <ogra> install the -dev versions of this list then
[04:38] <ogra> whoops
[04:38] <ogra> bddebian, please upload your patches as text, not application/octet-steam
[04:39] <bddebian> Hmm, I thought I had
[04:39] <chillywilly> or I could just attempt to build the package and install what it chokes on
[04:39] <chillywilly> :)
[04:39] <chillywilly> ogra: some of them don't exist
[04:40] <ogra> do they have a | aside ?
[04:40] <bddebian> ogra: Suggestions?  Am I better off posting the debdiff on the wiki and tagging the bug as some other status???
[04:40] <bddebian> chillywilly: Like which?
[04:40] <ogra> bddebian, for these small one line changes you can leave the debdiff
[04:41] <chillywilly> ogra: yes some do, what's that mean?
[04:41] <ogra> alternatives...
[04:41] <bddebian> ogra: OK, but should I tag the bug as pendingupload, or does that mean they are ready to upload without changes
[04:41] <bddebian> ?
[04:41] <ogra> chillywilly, read | as "or"
[04:42] <chillywilly> ok, well I should have all the -devs installed that I need
[04:42] <chillywilly> why won't apt-get tell me why it cannot satisfy the dependencies?
[04:42] <ogra> bddebian, tag it as pending and out a note in a comment that very small changes are necessary
[04:42] <ogra> chillywilly, no idea, it should tell it to you
[04:43] <bddebian> ogra: OK, thanks
[04:43] <chillywilly> hmmm, this rules file in this package that uses cdbs looks a lot simpler
[04:43] <chillywilly> than the other ones I've seen
[04:43] <bddebian> chillywilly: Yes
[04:43] <\sh> jesus...today I have bad luck
[04:43] <chillywilly> so...why would people get pissed about making life easier? :)
[04:43] <bddebian> \sh: What's the matter?
[04:44] <bddebian> chillywilly: I think what he was trying to say was that DDs can get upset because "anyone" can package something more easily then. :-)
[04:44] <chillywilly> that's a crappy elist attitude
[04:44] <bddebian> Or that people can miss more extravagent changes that need to be made
[04:44] <chillywilly> elitist
[04:45] <bddebian> chillywilly: That is/was part of my issue with Debian.. :-)
[04:45] <\sh> bddebian: i only have crap sources here...or something from xorg is missing...decide whatever reason is good for you ;)
[04:45] <bddebian> \sh: Both? :-)
[04:45] <chillywilly> so do you guys encourage to use of cdbs?
[04:45] <\sh> chillywilly: if you know how plain packaging works...
[04:46] <chillywilly> ok
[04:46] <bddebian> chillywilly: Also afaiui, it cannot be used on all packages
[04:46] <chillywilly> so do it the hard way a few times so you know what the build system is automating ;)
[04:46] <chillywilly> ic
[04:46] <chillywilly> that would be a big drawback then
[04:47] <bddebian> chillywilly: But don't don't quote me, I'm st00pid :-)
[04:47] <chillywilly> hmmm
[04:48] <chillywilly> ah, I know what the prob is now
[04:49] <chillywilly> building the package told me a lot more than anything I tried previously
[04:49] <chillywilly> attempting to build it that is ;)
[04:50] <chillywilly> weird
[04:50] <chillywilly> fixed it
[04:53] <bddebian> You ROCK d00d.  Now get to work.. :-P
[04:54] <\sh> dancing the OGRA dance and singing the MOTU Song: Join MOTU Dude, get some stars on your shoulders...join MOTU Dude...give yourself some love...join MOTU dude
[04:56] <bddebian> ogra: :-)
[04:56] <\sh> bddebian: hey..u r a dude, rn't u? so come on and join the motu dude, get some stars on your shoulders...join the MOTU Dude...give yourself some love...join the MOTU Dude...be loved from all the girls ,-)
[04:57] <\sh> hmmm...
[04:57] <\sh> i should go home and get my brain straight ,-)
[04:57] <bddebian> ogra: All kidding aside what is/are my next steps? :-)
[04:57] <bddebian> \sh: I wanna :-)
[04:58] <ogra> bddebian, just go on with the stuff you're doing currently ;)
[04:58] <\sh> ok..guys...cu later this night, or latest tomorrow morning...:) need to go home, shower and join sherif and george for "brain reset V1.5"
[04:59] <\sh> ogra: if you have some time please have a look on libhid at mom page
[04:59] <\sh> thx
[04:59] <\sh> bye
[04:59] <ogra> oki
[04:59] <lool> Hi.  I'm preparing a package for Debian, I wonder if I should engage in proposals to Ubuntu for this package, or if there is an automatic inclusion process?
[05:00] <ogra> lool, we're already past upstream version freeze and do no autosyncs anymore....
[05:00] <ogra> so it has to be moved over manually
[05:00] <ogra> which package is it ?
[05:00] <lool> ogra: is that a permanentn situation?
[05:00] <bddebian> Bye \sh
[05:00] <lool> ogra: madwifi
[05:01] <lool> ogra: (kernel drivers for the Atheros wifi chipsets)
[05:01] <ogra> lool, we do this in the middle of the release cycle until release ... after UVF the stabilizing begins
[05:01] <siretart> lool: ubuntu already ships with madwifi
[05:01] <ogra> lool, hmm...
[05:01] <lool> siretart: uh?
[05:01] <lool> siretart: I couldn't find it on packages.ubuntu.com
[05:01] <ogra> lool, that'd be a fabbione question, he maintains the kernel...
[05:01] <siretart> lool: jupp. they are in linux-restricted-modules. working like a charm for me
[05:02] <bddebian> ogra: OK, thanks
[05:05] <lool> siretart: grrr
[05:06] <lool> siretart: quite old though
[05:08] <ogra> lool, thats because thee is no up to date l-r-m package for breezys kernel yet
[05:11] <siretart> lool: when hoary released in april, that version was pretty up to date
[05:12] <lool> I'm a bit angry that these packages are completely hidden for non-Ubuntu people
[05:13] <siretart> lool: no need to be angry. these packages are pretty unusable to non-ubuntu people.
[05:13] <lool> for example, I discussed for a while with a Debian user hanging on #madwifi who is maintaining the packages since a couple of months
[05:13] <siretart> lool: they most probably only work for ubuntu kernels
[05:14] <siretart> so, what do you suggest? breaking out madwifi to a seperate package?
[05:14] <lool> siretart: why would there be a single source package if they are multiple upstream source packages?
[05:15] <siretart> lool: ask fabionne. I think for simplified maintenance and security updates
[05:16] <siretart> the kernel team for sure have their reasons, but I honestly don't know them
[05:16] <lool> my angriness doesn't come from technical structure at all any way, more from the fact that no one sees the packages.  Even if they might be Ubuntu specific in this shape, the work seems clean and reusable, but noone knows about it, especially not madwifi upstream, nor Debian
[05:16] <ogra> l-r-m contains a big load of stuff, the avm isdn modules, tons of firmware, madwifi, mvidia drivers, ati drivers etc, you couldnt ship any of these in debian officially
[05:17] <siretart> lool: are you madwifi upstream?
[05:17] <lool> siretart: no
[05:18] <ogra> lool, best is to talk to fabbione and daniels in -devel, i didnt know you wanted to have a kernel module added
[05:20] <siretart> lool: I'm sorry of your angryness, but I don't get you. What do you expect from ubuntu? do you want an comprehensive list of all packages and their contents?
[05:20] <siretart> lool: ubuntu ships with some extra drivers like nvidia, fglrx or madwifi in our 'restricted' component. everything in there isn't really suited for debian, so why should we bother them?
[05:21] <lool> (I'm sorry, I'm a bit busy, reading the backlog now)
[05:23] <lool> siretart: I expect from Ubuntu to update upstream's wiki or follow the -devel list when they package an upstream software
[05:23] <lool> siretart: sure, that's more effort, and I wouldn't expect Ubuntu to upload packages to Debian for example (I know some DDs expect this)
[05:25] <ogra> lool, i'm no DD, how should i upload to debian ?
[05:25] <lool> siretart: the current status simply favors work duplication, as for example my work, but more proeminently Kel Modderman's work
[05:25] <lool> ogra: I said I *wouldn't* expect
[05:26] <lool> ogra: I don't think Ubuntu is there to package new stuff for Debian, but we both know how reusable things are between Debian and Ubuntu, so I'd expect that reusable things are "findable", I suppose this is just a particular case for linux kernel modules though.
[05:26] <siretart> lool: I'd suggest you look at the linux-meta sourcepackage Kamion uploaded just a few minutes ago. It contains linux 2.6.12 with restricted modules, if I see that correctly
[05:26] <ogra> and even if i'd upload debian would lynch me if i made NMUs for allmy uploads (i got my hands on 16000 pkgs with the MOTUs in here)
[05:27] <lool> anyway, looking at concrete solutions, I'll post about the availability of such packages to some debian list I find useful and try to make Google archive that
[05:27] <siretart> lool: I don't think that there is much reusable work in this specific case of linux kernel and its modules, because the way how it is build are completly different
[05:27] <lool> ogra: again, I did not expect anyone to cross-upload, I know some DDs do, and I don't like that idea
[05:28] <siretart> lool: I wouldn't expect that the ubutnu way of handling kernels would work in debian at all
[05:28] <ogra> lool, if you meet any DD complaining about us not giving back, point him/her here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/
[05:29] <lool> siretart: as I see it, the package I've downloaded build-depends on kernel-headers, and generates module images and module source for all supported kernel flavors in ubuntu
[05:29] <ogra> there is everything we changed
[05:29] <lool> siretart: that sound pretty much reusable to me, but I might prove wrong
[05:29] <siretart> is this the madwifi wiki? wiki.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/MadWiFi
[05:30] <siretart> lool: no. our kernels are named 'linux-image' and 'linux-headers' and so on
[05:30] <lool> ogra: oh thanks, I know about the patches repository, you're completely off my tracks
[05:30] <siretart> lool: the 'kernel-image' bits are directly from debian and only in the universe component
[05:30] <lool> ogra: those same DDs would expect you to file bugs for each one of these patches
[05:30] <lool> ogra: let's not start that discussion, I'm not of these people
[05:30] <ogra> lool, when should i get my work done then ?
[05:31] <lool> siretart: 2.6.12 is named linux-image too
[05:31] <lool> siretart: and if the only difference is in linux versus kernel, that's quite easy to solve, and even to parametrize
[05:31] <ogra> lool, i'd expect a DD to care for his package himself... i can point to all my changes, but its his job to merge them..
[05:31] <lool> ogra: STOP, I don't want you to do this, I said some DDs are expecting you to do this
[05:31] <ogra> as its my job to find other patches that fix my bugs here
[05:32] <ogra> lool, yes, but its a wrong expectation....
[05:32] <lool> ogra: you're getting me completely wrong, I _personnally_ wouldn't want you to submit patches to Debian, nor upload packages
[05:32] <lool> ogra: full stop
[05:32] <siretart> lool: I think that expectation is a bit barfaced. Doing work and expecting everything delivered on the silver tablet.. Sure, I report somehow 'important' bugs to the debian bts, but I never got response so far
[05:32] <ogra> i'm applying to utnubu btw ...
[05:33] <lool> ogra: my _personal_ wish would have been for you to ping upstream about it, and to put the packages more visibly in front
[05:33] <lool> WTF
[05:33] <Ng> is it wise to make things with dodgy licenses more visible? ;)
[05:33] <siretart> s/important/relevant to debian/
[05:33] <lool> siretart: you're getting me wrong in the exact same way ogra does, I must use a completely ununderstandable english
[05:33] <ogra> lool, sure, but i (or any other guy in here) didnt package l-r-m, wrong address
[05:34] <lool> ogra: ok, that's a point
[05:34] <siretart> lool: possibly. we are both no native speakers :(
[05:34] <ogra> lool, we're both german, thats probably the point *g*
[05:34] <siretart> ;)
[05:34] <lool> ogra: I was just getting angry of the time lost on packaging things already in deb format, I tried explaining why and now we're in a dead-end conversation were we don't understand each other
[05:35] <ogra> lool, yes, but i guess ripping madwifi out of l-r-m would have been far more work for you then make a new package, so there is no reason t get angry...
[05:35] <siretart> lool: thank you for your offer of packages for ubuntu. btw ;)
[05:35] <lool> ok, ich versuch's in Deutsch, ich weiss dass einige DDs wrden sauer sein dass sie solche packages not in Debian gebrach habt, aber ich bin nich, ich bin nur sauer dass leute wie madwifi upstream nichts davon wissen
[05:35] <ogra> oh, yes, siretart++
[05:36] <ogra> lool, yes, but we're not the ones that didnt inform upstream ;)
[05:36] <siretart> lool: dass madwifi upstream davon nix weiss erstaunt mich ein wenig, zumal wir das jetzt schon seit ueber einem jahr so machen
[05:36] <lool> ogra, siretart: ja, jetzt seht ihr wie ich mich fhle, ich have packages fr debian vorbereited and war bereit sie fr Ubuntu vorzubereiten, und das is was ich erfinde...
[05:36] <lool> ogra: ok, not personnally of course, I alread acked that
[05:37] <ogra> lool, thats fully understandable...
[05:37] <lool> siretart: das madwifi wiki, das madwifi irc channel, and die mailing-listen wussten nichts davon
[05:37] <siretart> lool: i've mentioned the packages a few days ago on the madwifi-users list
[05:38] <lool> siretart: ok, I checked a week or two ago, when I took the work of Kel, and prepared it for Debian
[05:38] <siretart> lool: and I find tons of references of ubuntu users in madwifi-users. I'm really surprised that upstream didn't notice
[05:38] <lool> siretart, ogra: anyway, time for me to shut up, I hope you do understand why I'm a bit angry at this situation, I'm happy Ubuntu users did have madwifi support though, and I'll see if I should do anything with fabbione to solve this
[05:39] <siretart> ok, tons == 19, but still
[05:39] <lool> ogra: BTW, you made me leave #debian to learn this  :-P
[05:39] <siretart> i.e. 19 threads
[05:39] <lool> ogra: just kidding of course
[05:40] <Amaranth> lool: hehe, i was just kidding! :D
[05:40] <lool> siretart, ogra: I hope I can get something out of this for Debian in a near future
[05:40] <lool> ah sorry s/ogra/Amaranth
[05:40] <lool> so much for my Ubuntu packages :-P   bye guys
[05:40] <siretart> bye lool
[05:46] <\sh> re
[05:47] <ogra> grmpf.... i hate talking into silence...
[05:47] <dverzolla> I'm doing a Ubuntu-version for some students of my company. And I need to change the openoffice that come with hoary version, to openoffice.org.br (Brazilian Version). I want to know if I just change the packets in the /pool/main/o directorys will work in the installation. Or have some install-script that need to be changed too?
[05:47] <bddebian> ogra: :-)
[05:47] <\sh> last cigarette..then shower and away I am :)
[05:48] <bddebian> Ah, a fellow smoker.. w00t.  I knew I liked you \sh ;-)
[05:48] <\sh> bddebian: hehe...I know how hard it is to smoke in da US ,-)
[05:48] <bddebian> Aye
[05:49] <ogra> dverzolla, err, why dont you just install the lanugage-support-br and language-pack-br packages ? they contain the brazilian strings for oo.o
[05:49] <ogra> oh, ehm... actually not...
[05:50] <ogra> br == breton ? whats that ?
[05:50] <dverzolla> ogra, I do this. But openoffice continue in English
[05:50] <\sh> brasil is portugese?
[05:50] <ogra> dverzolla, but you selected brazilian at the loginmanager ?
[05:50] <dverzolla> \sh, pt_BR
[05:50] <ogra> \sh, yes
[05:51] <dverzolla> ogra, no
[05:51] <dverzolla> ogra, hmmmm
[05:51] <dverzolla> ogra, I will try
[05:51] <ogra> thats what the language button there is for ;)
[05:51] <\sh> ok...off i go..getting ready
[05:51] <\sh> have a nice evening..take some packages from MyOMy aeh MoM Merges ,-)
[05:52] <ogra> and canonical has a lot of brazilian employees, they would complain if it wouldnt work (assuming they dont use english anyway)
[05:53] <\sh> off i go
[05:53] <dverzolla> ogra, Ok, I wiil try.. thanks ;)
[05:54] <ogra> \sh_away, have fun :)
[05:55] <siretart> bye \sh_away
[06:06] <bddebian> Damn I hate my real job
[06:10] <Amaranth> 'The wikiname TravisWatkins for http://www.ubuntulinux.com/wiki/ is already taken' <--no shit, i made it
[06:11] <Amaranth> how do i file a bug against malone/launchpad?
[06:12] <Amaranth> nevermind
[06:13] <ogra> Amaranth, but your blam bug just hit #ubuntu-bugs, so everything is fine, no ?
[06:13] <Amaranth> yeah
[06:13] <Amaranth> just playing with some options
[06:13] <ogra> ah
[06:15] <Amaranth> gah
[06:15] <Amaranth> the wiki is screwy too
[06:15] <Amaranth> 'Name 	TravisWatkins2'
[06:15] <jsgotangco> heh yeah
[06:18] <Amaranth> i can't edit anything in the wiki either, says my password doesn't match but it never asks me for a password
[06:18] <bddebian> Does libjack really have to be libjack0.100.0-dev now or is there a psuedo package??
[06:21] <bddebian> Anyone, anyone.. Beuhler??
[06:22] <bddebian> Oh crap we don't even have 0.100.xxx
[06:30] <SloMo_> reee
[06:30] <SloMo_> ogra?
[06:31] <bddebian> Heya SloMo_
[06:32] <bddebian> Thx man
[06:32] <bddebian> SloMo_: Do you know about libjack?
[06:33] <SloMo_> i know what it is ;) why?
[06:42] <SloMo_> bddebian: do you have some time atm so you can test something for me? :)
[06:42] <comadreja> howdy all, I'm back from work, and finally on holidays :)
[06:46] <bddebian> Heya comadreja
[06:46] <bddebian> SloMo_: Sure
[06:46] <SloMo_> comadreja: how long are you holidays? :) mine started today, too :)
[06:47] <SloMo_> bddebian: go to https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10103  and try whether this debdiff applies cleanly... it does for me but for ogra it doesn't :(
[06:49] <comadreja> hey bddebian SloMo_ : I'll be on holidays for two weeks
[06:49] <comadreja> so two weeks for hacking :D
[06:49] <bddebian> SloMo_: Where can I get the plain debian version?
[06:50] <SloMo_> comadreja: congratulations :) mine are for 2 1/2 months but i write 5 tests in that time
[06:50] <SloMo_> bddebian: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/linkchecker
[06:50] <comadreja> 2 1/2 months ! man !
[06:51] <comadreja> SloMo_ : may I ask where do you work ? I wanna work there too :D
[06:52] <SloMo_> comadreja: currently nowhere ;) i'm studieng? studying?! bddebian help me :)
[06:53] <comadreja> SloMo_ lucky you :) enjoy that
[06:54] <comadreja> SloMo_ why do you do debdiffs ?
[06:54] <bddebian> studying is correct :-)
[06:55] <SloMo_> comadreja: because i have no upload rights and wanted to do something useful ;)
[06:55] <comadreja> SloMo_ : then I think its best to do a simple patch
[06:55] <SloMo_> bddebian: thanks :)
[06:56] <comadreja> SloMo_ : mean a diff -urN sources-on-going-merge/ sources-already-merged/
[06:56] <bddebian> comadreja: No, debdiff is a package
[06:56] <bddebian> debdiff old.dsc new.dsc > foo.debdiff
[06:56] <SloMo_> comadreja: debdiff does the same when you give it the .dsc file of the old and the new version
[06:56] <bddebian> Or old.deb new.deb
[06:56] <bddebian> etc
[06:57] <comadreja> yes, I know, but you need the debian package for that
[06:57] <comadreja> and it's best to use only ubuntu sources
[06:57] <comadreja> it's the way ogra told me to do it
[06:57] <bddebian> SloMo_: I'm having a problem pulling those sources.. :-(
[06:58] <SloMo_> comadreja: but then the diff would be >1 MB... against the plain debian version it's just ~170kb
[06:58] <comadreja> not at all
[06:58] <comadreja> I've sent fixes for a couple of packages that way
[06:58] <comadreja> 48Kb one
[06:58] <SloMo_> comadreja: for the most packages it works against the ubuntu version... but this one is a bit special ;)
[07:00] <comadreja> 8Kb the other
[07:00] <bddebian> Anyone have suggestions for libjack?  The dropped patch for stk build-deps on libjack0.100.0 but we have 0.80.0??
[07:00] <SloMo_> comadreja: against what do you diff? the ubuntu version in the archives or the mom-merged one?
[07:00] <comadreja> mom-merged
[07:00] <SloMo_> comadreja: ah ok... hmm, then i misunderstood ogra... i've done against the version in the archives ;)
[07:00] <SloMo_> bddebian: does it build with 0.80.0?
[07:01] <bddebian> SloMo_: Dunno :-)
[07:01] <SloMo_> bddebian: just test it :) and look at debian/changelog why the change was done
[07:01] <comadreja> SloMo_ : wait, mom-merged if you use this other way with diff
[07:01] <SloMo_> comadreja: ?
[07:02] <comadreja> SloMo_ : I mean, I actually don't know against what you should diff if you use debdiff
[07:02] <comadreja> SloMo_ : I know if you use just plain diff
[07:02] <bddebian> SloMo_: It closes a Debian bug
[07:03] <SloMo_> comadreja: but you are diff'ing against the mom-merged version? well debdiff is just a way to do simple diffs against debian packages ;)
[07:03] <SloMo_> comadreja: i'll do the same as you in the future... would be better i think
[07:04] <comadreja> SloMo_ : yes, that way they don't have to download the debian package to apply the patch
[07:05] <SloMo_> bddebian: but does the debdiff apply against the debian version?
[07:05] <bddebian> SloMo_: YOu mean for your linkchecker?
[07:05] <SloMo_> bddebian: yes
[07:06] <bddebian> I'm having a hard time getting the source
[07:07] <bddebian> SloMo_: Won't help me much on this Windows machine, but thanks :-)
[07:07] <SloMo_> lol ok... why are you on windows? :)
[07:07] <bddebian> Work
[07:07] <SloMo_> ah ok
[07:08] <bddebian> I've got the first two.  Still waiting on the orig.tar.gz
[07:09] <SloMo_> hmm
[07:10] <bddebian> So do I just extract the orig.tar.gz?
[07:11] <SloMo_> yes... then cd in the new directory and do zcat path/to/bla.diff.gz | patch -Np1
[07:11] <SloMo_> and then the debdiff
[07:12] <comadreja> nopes
[07:12] <comadreja> you have to do dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[07:13] <SloMo_> comadreja: which does exactly the same ;) but thanks... didn't know that :)
[07:13] <comadreja> it doesn't
[07:13] <comadreja> it applies the debian patches
[07:14] <SloMo_> zcat path/to/bla.diff.gz | patch -Np1  also applies the debian patches ;) but dpkg-source does it all at once :)
[07:14] <bddebian> SloMo_: OK, sorry, so how do I apply the debdiff?
[07:14] <comadreja> oh, I thought those where your patches
[07:15] <SloMo_> bddebian: when you are in the linkchecker directory do patch -Np1 -i path/to/debdiff
[07:16] <dverzolla> ogra,
[07:17] <dverzolla> ogra, I change session to portuguese but oo.o and mozilla still in english
[07:17] <dverzolla> ogra, I see in synaptic and all languages packs are installed to portuguese
[07:18] <dverzolla> :|
[07:21] <bddebian> SloMo_: OK, I'm trying it but I have to head to a meeting quick
[07:21] <comadreja> let me try it SloMo_
[07:21] <SloMo_> bddebian: np :)
[07:22] <SloMo_> comadreja: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10103  and  http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/linkchecker
[07:25] <comadreja> it applies fine
[07:26] <SloMo_> ah good... :) so the mistake must be at ogra's end... hmm
[07:27] <comadreja> maybe she's trying to apply on another debian package...
[07:28] <dverzolla> I'm burning a CD with Ubuntu-Hoary, but I need to change de default xorg.conf file that come with installation. Anyone knows how I can do it?
[07:28] <comadreja> s/she/he
[07:28] <Amaranth> all i know is that it's highly non-trivial
[07:31] <comadreja> we've got a new transition
[07:32] <SloMo_> comadreja: which one? the slang stuff or something else?
[07:32] <comadreja> SloMo_ : slang, yes
[07:33] <SloMo_> is this relevant for breezy or just for breezy+1?
[07:33] <comadreja> hehe I hope for breezy+1 :)
[07:34] <SloMo_> hmm... is X fixed? there were some X uploads in the last hours
[07:36] <siretart> some? daniels uploaded continiously X-related packages all day! ROCK!
[07:36] <SloMo_> "some" :)
[08:23] <bddebian> SloMo_: This:  patch -Np1 test.debdiff just hangs
[08:23] <SloMo_> patch -Np1 -i  bla.debdiff
[08:24] <bddebian> Bah.. :-)
[08:24] <SloMo_> or patch -Np1 < bla.debdiff
[08:24] <SloMo_> ;)
[08:24] <bddebian> 21 out of 37 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file po/fr.po.rej
[08:24] <SloMo_> hmm
[08:24] <SloMo_> and you have applied the debian changes first?
[08:25] <bddebian> Yep
[08:25] <SloMo_> really weird... you have the same problem as ogra
[08:25] <SloMo_> hmm, i'll make a new debdiff ;)
[08:25] <bddebian> Sorry :-)
[08:53] <bddebian> Weird, most of the "dropped" patches for stk are already there..
[08:53] <comadreja> SloMo_ : ping
[08:53] <SloMo_> comadreja: pong
[08:53] <comadreja> SloMo_ : could it be that both ogra and bddebian use the packages from their local mirror ?
[08:54] <comadreja> slomo : I was thinking why it worked for us...
[08:54] <bddebian> I don't have a local mirror except for two packages that I built from UniverseUnmetDeps
[08:54] <slomo> comadreja: sure... but even then they should be the same
[08:54] <comadreja> slomo : not in unstable, I guess
[08:54] <comadreja> bddebian : I mean your local counrty mirror
[08:55] <comadreja> counttry
[08:55] <bddebian> Ohh :-)
[08:55] <comadreja> damn :D country !
[08:56] <slomo> comadreja: i'll redo the diff anyway... against the mom-merged version
[08:57] <Amaranth> yay grub error 17
[08:57] <Amaranth> my ubuntu HD just died
[08:57] <bddebian> Doh
[08:58] <Amaranth> error 17 means either the partition table or the partition is dead
[08:58] <Amaranth> it overheated or something during a fsck run
[08:58] <Amaranth> i had both HD sitting together, too hot
[08:58] <comadreja> I lost a harddrive not long ago because of overheating :/
[08:59] <Amaranth> then i about broke my RAM and video card getting the one HD moved, fucking case layout
[09:00] <zanaga> hey all..
[09:00] <bddebian> Hello zanaga
[09:01] <zanaga> is there any hope to get qemu 0.7.0 to breezy... it would be a shame to release with an old version.
[09:02] <bddebian> zanaga: It's on the Merged list
[09:03] <bddebian> zanaga: I'll look at it after stk builds (if it builds) :-)
[09:03] <zanaga> great! thanks!
[09:04] <bddebian> zanaga: But I am not an MOTU so I can't upload ;-)
[09:05] <zanaga> yeah.. but it's still good to know that someone is working on it..
[09:06] <bddebian> OK, you MOTU types.  The dropped patch for stk changes a build-depend from libjack-dev to libjack0.100.0-dev (which we don't have).  I left libjack-dev (which is 0.80.0 for us) and it builds fine.  Is it OK not to apply that chunk of the dropped patch?
[09:14] <siretart> bddebian: sounds good
[09:19] <siretart> zanaga: can you have a look at  ubuntu's current version of qemu? it has some changes to the debian version, and I need to know if they are still releavant
[09:19] <herve> hello
[09:19] <siretart> zanaga: if all changes have been included into debian, I would like to drop all ubuntu changes
[09:19] <siretart> hi herve
[09:20] <bddebian> Heya her
[09:20] <bddebian> herve even
[09:21] <herve> hey, I got a xorg -42/43 almost working
[09:21] <zanaga> siretart: i'm currently reading the diffs, and looks like that the merge bot is assuming the wrong debian version (or the ubuntu package has a wrong suffix)
[09:22] <siretart> herve: cool. what did you have to sacrify? ;)
[09:22] <siretart> zanaga: yeah, the diffs are quite confusing, therefore I'm asking you for help ;)
[09:22] <zanaga> siretart: yup.. no problem. Already on it ;)
[09:22] <herve> siretart, recompile xkbutils and required dependencies, only forcing libxt-dev
[09:23] <comadreja> I run xorg-43
[09:23] <herve> missing deps, I mean
[09:23] <comadreja> and everything works except for the keyboard special characters
[09:23] <zanaga> it's good to refresh my packaging skills from time to time. ;)
[09:23] <herve> because of a bunch of ftbfs
[09:23] <bddebian> zanaga: So you are looking at qemu yourself now?
[09:23] <herve> comadreja, me too, but now it's okay 
[09:23] <comadreja> herve really ?
[09:24] <zanaga> bddebian: yeah.. i'll see if i can manage it.
[09:24] <comadreja> herve I upgraded minutes ago
[09:24] <bddebian> zanaga: Oh, oK
[09:24] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[09:24] <tritium> hello there bddebian
[09:24] <zanaga> bddebian: i'll let you know how it turns out ;)
[09:24] <herve> comadreja, manage to install xkbutils and you're set
[09:24] <herve> hello tritium
[09:24] <bddebian> zanaga: OK, thx
[09:24] <tritium> hi herve :)
[09:25] <comadreja> herve : where is that xkbutils ?
[09:25] <comadreja> btw I got something like "panel already running" on every login does anyone know why is that ?
[09:26] <herve> comadreja, in sources but binaries failed to build
[09:26] <herve> you have to apt-get source
[09:26] <siretart> hrmpf. qemu ftbfs on amd64 :/
[09:26] <comadreja> herve : oh, then I'll wait, I used xmodmap to have my keyboard set
[09:26] <herve> sure, don't touch anything that works :-)
[09:27] <comadreja> specialy xorg :D
[09:27] <SloMoSnail> ogra: new diff for linkchecker... this MUST work ;)
[09:28] <siretart> oh, on i386, too
[09:28] <siretart> I assume qemu need gcc-4.0 love
[09:28] <zanaga> it might
[09:29] <zanaga> i'm still resolving the mergebot mess ;) (tracking down qemu 0.6.1-1)
[09:30] <siretart> zanaga: I tried building the 'vanilla' debian version
[09:30] <bddebian> Another bug bites the dust... (hopefully)
[09:30] <zanaga> ah
[09:30] <bddebian> SloMoSnail: :-)
[09:30] <siretart> without any patches, just added zlib as build dep
[09:30] <zanaga> hmm.. no 0.6.1-1 in snapshot.debian.net either..
[09:30] <siretart> zanaga: if you manage to get it build, I'll upload it for you ;)
[09:30] <zanaga> i wonder..
[09:32] <zanaga> hmm.. it pretty much looks like the qemu package is pretty much vanilla from debian. Last changelog only mentions added build-dep
[09:32] <siretart> as nothing is mentioned in debian/changelog, I'd agree with you
[09:33] <bddebian> Why do you want 0.6.1??
[09:33] <zanaga> bddebian: to do a diff between ubuntu and debian versions
[09:33] <bddebian> zanaga: Nah, I'm lazy :-)
[09:36] <SloMoSnail> bddebian: when something doesn't compile for you and you don't want to look further give me the bug id ;) i want to do something difficult :)
[09:37] <bddebian> SloMoSnail: Are you saying I am incapable?? ;-)
[09:37] <tseng> he is.
[09:38] <tseng> *hide*
[09:38] <siretart> SloMoSnail: try fixing qemu, I think it needs gcc-4.0 love, but I'm too busy to fix it myself :(
[09:38] <zanaga> sigh.. qemu does need some gcc 4.0 love =(
[09:38] <SloMoSnail> bddebian: nope but you said you're searching for easy bugs :P
[09:38] <SloMoSnail> siretart: ok i will later :)
[09:39] <bddebian> Thanks tseng, I love you too :-)
[09:41] <bddebian> ogra: tseng is picking on me.. :'-(
[09:41] <herve> we have an automated list of "new debian version requires merging" for universe packages?
[09:41] <bddebian> ;-P
[09:41] <bddebian> herve: MOTUToMerge
[09:41] <bddebian> There is a link to bugzilla there
[09:41] <tseng> ogra: he started it
[09:41] <siretart> like the small children ;)
[09:41] <herve> ho, bugzilla records ours too
[09:42] <siretart> herve: yes, but only these merge bugs
[09:42] <siretart> and only for package UNKNOWN
[09:42] <bddebian> heh
[09:42] <siretart> scc?
[09:43] <bddebian> Second Class Citizen
[09:43] <SloMoSnail> bddebian: why?
[09:43] <bddebian> SloMoSnail: I was kidding.  Because GNU/Hurd will probably become a Debian SCC if not dropped all-together
[09:44] <herve> hmm, the buglist contains main packages too
[09:45] <bddebian> Hehe, Woody is a text editor
[09:46] <zanaga> oh great.. the qemu devs have been trying to make qemu work with gcc-4.0 for a while now. qemu might prove to be a challenge..
[09:46] <herve> I just take some, merge or upload the unstable one, and update the wiki?
[09:46] <Amaranth> if nothing else just make it b-d on gcc3.4 and use it :)
[09:46] <tritium> herve, are you trying to figure out the process too?  (I am...)
[09:47] <chillywilly> SCC?
[09:47] <chillywilly> bddebian: SCC?
[09:47] <herve> tritium, yeah, we have the playground but no rules
[09:47] <tritium> :)
[09:47] <bddebian> herve: Dunno if I am doing it right but I have just been adding a debdiff to the bugzilla page and marking the bug as pendingupload
[09:47] <herve> chillywilly, <bddebian> Second Class Citizen
[09:47] <chillywilly> bah
[09:48] <siretart> GREAT. qemu doesn't build with gcc-3.3 even
[09:48] <chillywilly> yea I read the back scrool
[09:48] <chillywilly> doh
[09:48] <chillywilly> you are an SCC bddebian ;)
[09:48] <bddebian> chillywilly: Yes, the lovely new Debian term for low-utilized archs / platforms
[09:48] <herve> nobody at #u-d know the rules?
[09:48] <chillywilly> oh great....
[09:48] <chillywilly> why are DDs so snobby?
[09:48] <herve> there are a few package I feel responsible for
[09:48] <bddebian> herve: The rules?
[09:48] <herve> mainly python and zope
[09:49] <tritium> herve, I believe we are to tag all bugs there were the sourcepackage has no dropped.patch file as pendingupload
[09:49] <tritium> s/were/where
[09:49] <herve> bddebian, the workflow for these merges
[09:50] <herve> anyway, I am busy on another project tonight
[09:50] <bddebian> tritium: If you test them first. :-)  I found two so far which FTBFS even with no dropped.patch :-)
[09:50] <siretart> bddebian: SCC is the debian term for ports with rather unresponsive porter teams :/
[09:50] <tritium> bddebian, thanks for pointing that out.  Okay, so first priority for me is to setup a breezy pbuilder chroot, I guess.
[09:50] <bddebian> siretart: Except that .. Oh nevermind
[09:51] <bddebian> tritium: Yeah, get to work :-)
[09:51] <siretart> :)
[09:51] <chillywilly> crack that whip
[09:51] <bddebian> Uh oh
[09:53] <Burgundavia> ogra, http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/roadster/2005-July/000066.html
[09:54] <chillywilly> sobe green tea rocks
[09:59] <lamont> Burgundavia: how stable is GIS/linux these days?
[09:59] <Burgundavia> lamont, no idea, but hey have a big conference every year
[10:00] <Burgundavia> lamont, gis is really hot right now, but arcgis pretty much owns the market
[10:01] <lamont> Burgundavia: and doesn't run on linux, I assume
[10:02] <herve> I couldn't resist, I am sync. tla-buildpackage :-)
[10:02] <Burgundavia> lamont, no idea. They may have a unix port. All lot of old school gis stuff is still on unix
[10:02] <Burgundavia> there is also a fairly active debian project
[10:04] <SloMoSnail> \sh_away: i've redone the tomboy patch... should apply now... this time it's against the mom-merged version
[10:05] <bddebian> SloMoSnail: You ROCK d00d :-)
[10:05] <herve> is it me or debdiff is broken?
[10:06] <bddebian> Works For Me(tm)
[10:06] <SloMoSnail> herve: what doesn't work for you?
[10:06] <herve> debdiff
[10:06] <herve> complains about the .tar.gz not in its temp directory
[10:08] <lool> herve: it's borken these days I think
[10:08] <lool> herve: there is a couple of patches in a debian bug report
[10:09] <herve> ok, not an ubuntu exclusive feature :-)
[10:09] <lool> herve: actually it seems fixed
[10:09] <lool> herve: there have been a couple of devscripts upload in debian
[10:09] <lool>  -- Joey Hess <joeyh@debian.org>  Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:57:47 -0400
[10:09] <herve> but it requires merging? :-)
[10:09] <lool>  -- Julian Gilbey <jdg@debian.org>  Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:51:17 +0100
[10:10] <lool> herve: grab it from Debian, I don't see why that wouldn't work?
[10:10] <lool> herve: 2.9.2 is current
[10:10] <lool> plus it has a cool dch
[10:10] <herve> I have merged one package I can upload
[10:10] <herve> but I can't change the bugreport
[10:11] <herve> bddebian, you have access to the pendingupload status in bugzilla?
[10:11] <herve> lool, will do
[10:11] <bddebian> herve: Of course, I'm "special" ;-)
[10:11] <herve> hehe
[10:13] <herve> bddebian, so I attach the debdiff and you change the status?
[10:13] <chillywilly> no comment...
[10:14] <bddebian> herve: I can if you'd like
[10:15] <herve> lool, I have a reason: devscripts failed to build on some archs
[10:18] <herve> bddebian, done, it is bug 12093
[10:19] <bddebian> herve: Done
[10:20] <siretart> herve: against what version is your patch?
[10:20] <herve> thanks
[10:21] <herve> siretart, good point, I'll add the version
[10:21] <siretart> herve: tell me
[10:22] <herve> tla-buildpackage-0.9.9ubuntu1
[10:22] <siretart> against the mom merged version?
[10:23] <bddebian> herve: Aren't you already an MOTU?
[10:23] <herve> bddebian, I think I still am :-)
[10:24] <bddebian> And you can't tag bugs??
[10:24] <siretart> herve: ask ogra or Kamion for editbug priviledges
[10:24] <herve> siretart, hmm... all this is consufing me
[10:24] <herve> bddebian, I may have been forgotten
[10:25] <bddebian> :'-(
[10:25] <herve> ok, I switch project!
[10:25] <siretart> herve: I don't think we motus should mention every merge on MOTUToMerge. If you have upload priviledges, just upload them!
[10:25] <bddebian> siretart: Maybe I'm confused too then.  apt-get source isn't the Merged version?
[10:26] <siretart> herve: it would be good if you could review some debdiffs and upload them, too
[10:26] <herve> siretart, I'm really tempted to, and then close the bug?
[10:26] <siretart> bddebian: apt-get source gives you the latest version from the archive
[10:26] <herve> siretart, tomorrow for plain ubuntu work
[10:26] <siretart> herve: as soon as you get the ACCEPTED mail from katie
[10:27] <siretart> herve: and nevermind if you cannot close the bug yourself, just make a note to the bugzilla report, someone with priviledges can close the bux thereafter
[10:27] <bddebian> siretart: Aye
[10:27] <herve> hmm... but I remember a mail from main folks about new upstreams while breezy is going to freeze
[10:27] <bddebian> siretart: But then how do I get the "merged" version?
[10:28] <siretart> bddebian: forget what I said before. I meant the 'merged' version from MoM. I don't think thats a goind point from doing debdiffs
[10:28] <siretart> s/goind/good/
[10:28] <lool> herve: where did devscripts fail?
[10:29] <lool> (buildd.d.o times out here)
[10:29] <siretart> herve: err, yes, we are in UVF, thats right
[10:29] <herve> lool, haven't checked, I just noticed some (most?) archs still have previous versions
[10:29] <siretart> herve: but we may finish open merges to debian
[10:30] <herve> siretart, right, mine was open a month ago
[10:30] <herve> so before autosync was cut :D
[10:31] <lool> herve: probably caused by the ftpmaster downtime
[10:31] <bddebian> OK damnit, I'm confused then.  I check bugzilla.  If there are not dropped patches, I apt-get source foo and make sure it builds.  Is this incorrect???
[10:31] <lool> herve: you don't run i386?
[10:31] <herve> lool, you're a debian developer?
[10:31] <lool> herve: I'm quite sure you can rebuild it painlessly
[10:31] <lool> herve: bah
[10:31] <herve> I keep wondering where I know your name :-)
[10:32] <lool> I'm a maintainer
[10:32] <herve> I run I386, the debian package installed fine
[10:32] <lool> not DD
[10:32] <siretart> hm. bugs.debian.org used to be more quickly...
[10:33] <lool> siretart: the control bot replied in 5 minutes here
[10:33] <lool> which kind of puzzled me
[10:33] <siretart> lool: I'm waiting since 15min
[10:34] <lool> siretart: did you start with the "prioritary" pseudo-header?
[10:34] <siretart> no, I used latest reportbug from sid
[10:34] <lool> siretart: I was just kidding
[10:34] <lool> ah you sent to submit
[10:35] <bddebian> siretart: Am I doing it wrong?
[10:35] <herve> last time I opened a bug by mail, it tool almost the day to get a reply
[10:36] <herve> that was two or three days ago
[10:36] <siretart> bddebian: no, you are doing fine!
[10:36] <siretart> lool: yeah, I submitted a ftbfs bug against qemu
[10:37] <lool> gcc 4?
[10:37] <siretart> seems so
[10:37] <lool> is this on sparc or alpha?
[10:37] <siretart> i386
[10:37] <lool> ok, nevermind
[10:44] <SloMoSnail> siretart: is qemu fixed? otherwise i'll look at it right now
[10:45] <bddebian> SloMoSnail is my new hero :-)
[10:46] <SloMoSnail> bddebian: you exaggerate :P
[10:47] <siretart> SloMoSnail: it ftbfs with gcc-4.0, upstream seems to be informed but have not released anything to fix ir
[10:47] <siretart> it
[10:47] <siretart> ah, finally the ack from debian bts
[10:50] <SloMoSnail> ok... so it's something more difficult than invalid lvalue or such? ;)
[10:51] <bddebian> W00t, woody is fine
[10:51] <bddebian> SloMoSnail: I don't exaggerate :-)
[10:51] <siretart> SloMoSnail: perhaps
[10:55] <bddebian> OK gents, heading home.  Enjoy.
[10:59] <chillywilly> lalalala
[11:00] <chillywilly> openvpn is fun
[11:04] <SloMoSnail> siretart: i think i can fix qemu
[11:05] <siretart> SloMoSnail: woah. sounds rocking!
[11:07] <zanaga> didn't someone mention earlier what to do with merges that work out of the box?
[11:10] <siretart> zanaga: mention it in bugzilla
[11:10] <siretart> and tell someone who can upload them
[11:12] <zanaga> #10883 works out of the box, adding comment
[11:12] <siretart> Mez: not for small debdiffs, please. rather for big ones or completly NEW packages
[11:12] <Mez> siretart, I put new packages in there and a modified debdiff.
[11:13] <Mez> to be fair thoguh - ogra told me to put rebuilds in there
[11:13] <siretart> yes? oh
[11:13] <Mez> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=161 = new package
[11:14] <Mez> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=165 = rebuild
[11:14] <Mez> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=164 = changes :D
[11:18] <herve> buen provecho :-)
[11:19] <SloMo_> siretart: well the c-stuff compiles now ;) but there is another error...
[11:20] <comadreja> SloMo_ it's a bug in gcc-4.0 it has been reported...
[11:21] <comadreja> SloMo_ basically should work turning off optimization
[11:21] <SloMo_> it's a bug in gcc? hum, i thought it is a bug in qemu :(
[11:21] <siretart> huh? gcc-4.0 is b0rked?
[11:22] <comadreja> minimally :)
[11:22] <comadreja> gcl had the same problem
[11:22] <comadreja> I had to turn off optimization, and it worked fine
[11:22] <SloMo_> comadreja: "the same"?!
[11:23] <siretart> doko: can you comment on this?
[11:23] <comadreja> let me find the bug in bugzilla
[11:23] <SloMo_> http://pastebin.com/318787
[11:24] <comadreja> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12791
[11:24] <siretart> puh. doesn't look like an compiler error
[11:24] <comadreja> try turning off optimization
[11:25] <comadreja> in i386/Makefile
[11:25] <comadreja> and configure
[11:25] <comadreja> -O0
[11:25] <SloMo_> comadreja: ok i'll try
[11:26] <SloMo_> hmm... it seems to work... but there are other error... which are clearly qemu's fault ;)
[11:27] <SloMo_> but i can fix those
[11:27] <comadreja> awesome
[11:27] <comadreja> let me know about the patch
[11:27] <comadreja> thanks ! :D
[11:28] <SloMo_> sure... but -O0 is needed
[11:28] <comadreja> yes, doko is working on that afaik
[11:29] <comadreja> going to the movies, bbl :)
[11:29] <comadreja> enjoy !
[11:30] <SloMo_> have fun :)
[11:30] <SloMo_> waah...
[11:30] <SloMo_> /usr/bin/ld: qemu-i386: Not enough room for program headers (allocated 8, need 9)
[11:30] <SloMo_> /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Bad value
[11:30] <SloMo_> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[11:33] <Amaranth> wtf
[11:33] <Amaranth> that's new
[11:34] <zanaga> Should #10215 just be closed? fuse 2.3.0-1 is in universe, MoM version is 2.3.0-1ubuntu1
[11:34] <SloMo_> Amaranth: fine... then i've fixed further than others ;) but i've nothing against that error...
[11:35] <Amaranth> zanaga: yeah, sounds like it
[11:35] <Amaranth> zanaga: what was the ubuntu version MoM wanted to merge from?
[11:35] <zanaga> Added comments.
[11:35] <zanaga> 2.2.1-1
[11:36] <zanaga> correction: 2.2.1-1ubuntu1
[11:36] <zanaga> this is most likely just a leftover bug.
[11:42] <zanaga> alrighty, i'm off
[11:46] <siretart> ok, me leaving. gn8 folks
[11:46] <SloMo_> gn8 siretart
[11:58] <sistpoty> hi all