[12:25] <Riggzy_Linux> Trying to compile an app (Wired), says it cand find gtk-config... and neither can I ;-)
[12:26] <m3_> Hello
[12:26] <m3_> does Kubuntu supports Windows Fat32 externall HDD?
[12:27] <m3_> cause I watned to burn some files to a DVD
[12:27] <Riggzy_Linux> yep
[12:27] <m3_> okay, I just plug it in?
[12:28] <Riggzy_Linux> should be able to
[12:28] <m3_> okay, plugged in
[12:28] <Riggzy_Linux> or plug it in before you start up if that dosent work
[12:28] <m3_> this wont ruin my files?
[12:28] <m3_> how do I know if its there?
[12:28] <Riggzy_Linux> not to my knowledge ;-)
[12:28] <Riggzy_Linux> look on your desktop
[12:28] <Riggzy_Linux> anything there?~
[12:29] <m3_> nothing pop up on desktop
[12:29] <Riggzy_Linux> ok... *ponders*
[12:29] <Riggzy_Linux> at the bottom, click the System button, and click Storage Media
[12:29] <Riggzy_Linux> see if its there
[12:30] <testmad> problem
[12:30] <m3_> KDE crash Handler
[12:30] <testmad> i turned on transparency..and man..talk about slooooow down..
[12:30] <Riggzy_Linux> m3_ ouch lol
[12:30] <m3_> damnit
[12:30] <m3_> what now?
[12:30] <Riggzy_Linux> testmad, it isnt oficially supported yet
[12:30] <testmad> y is it so slow for having a 6600gt?
[12:31] <Riggzy_Linux> m3_ try it again
[12:31] <m3_> okay
[12:31] <m3_> worked
[12:31] <Riggzy_Linux> lol
[12:31] <m3_> looking...
[12:31] <testmad> Riggzy_Linux: any suggestions then?
[12:31] <Riggzy_Linux> testmad - no, unfortunately
[12:31] <m3_> 2 unmounted HDDs
[12:31] <Riggzy_Linux> m3, have a look at them
[12:31] <testmad> isnt there an external program i could use to do this?
[12:32] <Riggzy_Linux> testmad, I dunno heh
[12:32] <testmad> cus i know theres compmanager
[12:32] <m3_> click on one, it says could not mount this device.  Both said that
[12:32] <testmad> or what ever its named.
[12:33] <Riggzy_Linux> m3_, go into a terminal and type in   dmesg
[12:33] <Riggzy_Linux> infact, unplug and plug in the harddrive and type       dmesg
[12:34] <Riggzy_Linux> then paste the last 10 or so lines at http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/ and submit it
[12:34] <Riggzy_Linux> and give me the link
[12:36] <m3_> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/318829
[12:37] <Riggzy_Linux> Hmm... dunno whats going on there
[12:37] <Riggzy_Linux> anyone else know?
[12:38] <m3_> I unplug HDD and says same thing at bottom
[12:39] <m3_> is it a problem with my USB card?
[12:39] <Riggzy_Linux> probably not
[12:40] <m3_> how do I figure out whats problem
[12:40] <Riggzy_Linux> I don't really know... I'm fairly new to Kubuntu, recently got my iPod working as a harddrive, but all I needed to do was plug it in and start up
[12:41] <freedumbfries> hi i have question regarding Grub and adding winxp to the boot menu, if (hd0,0) is /dev/hda1 but winxp is on another partition such as hda2, hda3, or 4, how do I change it would it be /dev/hda2 = (hd0,1) for example?
[12:42] <m3_> humm
[12:42] <Riggzy_Linux> yep freedumbfries, just change that second number to change the partition
[12:42] <m3_> weird found it now
[12:43] <m3_> turned power off
[12:43] <freedumbfries> Riggzy_Linux it is that simple?
[12:43] <Riggzy_Linux> hehe m3
[12:43] <m3_> back on, Iomager USB showd up
[12:43] <Riggzy_Linux> seth_k niiice
[12:43] <freedumbfries> Riggzy_Linux my friend, i thank you for your helpful kindness
[12:43] <Riggzy_Linux> lol
[12:43] <Riggzy_Linux> no probs ;-)
[12:44] <Riggzy_Linux> Anyway, my Q... I'm trying to compile a program (Wired), and when I configure it it keeps saying it cant find gtk-config
[12:45] <m3_> does Kubuntu have ISO burning software like Nero?
[12:46] <seth_k> m3_, definitely! k3b is just like Nero
[12:46] <m3_> seth_k ohh sweet!
[12:46] <freedumbfries> what is niiice
[12:46] <Riggzy_Linux> It is, ya kno! lol... made a CD this morning
[12:46] <freedumbfries> is that a program?
[12:47] <seth_k> Riggzy_Linux, you're missing a -dev package, but I'm looking to see what its name is
[12:47] <Riggzy_Linux> freedumbfries, seth picked up a Dell for $250
[12:47] <m3_> 1 more quetion, if Linux can now read my external Fat32 HDD, can I network it (share the device) witha Windows Machine?
[12:47] <seth_k> not just any dell LCD
[12:47] <freedumbfries> a Dell, is that contagious?
[12:47] <seth_k> a sweet action 20 inch widescreen LCD
[12:47] <Riggzy_Linux> seth, on a load of forum topics for this it says to get gnome-core-devel, but thats like 50 packages lol
[12:47] <freedumbfries> I have a widescreen buttocks
[12:47] <seth_k> Riggzy_Linux, you'll probably have to :P
[12:47] <Riggzy_Linux> lol
[12:47] <freedumbfries> comes from eating American food
[12:48] <freedumbfries> the statue of liberty should be updated to appear as a fat walrus
[12:48] <freedumbfries> and holding a hamburger
[12:48] <Riggzy_Linux> lol
[12:49] <m3_> can I share my externall HDD with a Windows machine?
[12:49] <Riggzy_Linux> ohh it came off the CD... that was quick lol
[12:50] <Riggzy_Linux> m3_ - yep, you have to do a few things first
[12:50] <Riggzy_Linux> first... go into a console and type: sudo apt-get install samba
[12:51] <Riggzy_Linux> type in your password and it'll download SAMBA, which is what Linux uses to network with Windows machines
[12:51] <m3_> Riggzy_Linux cause If I could do that.  That would fix my Windows USB 1.1 problem.  Then I could read and write files from Windows across the network to my Linux USB 2.0 box.
[12:51] <Riggzy_Linux> when its downlaoded tell me, and I'll tell you what to do next
[12:52] <Riggzy_Linux> (I'll need the rest of yas to verify my instructions though lol)
[12:53] <Riggzy_Linux> seth  - yep, that dev package fixed it
[12:53] <m3_> think its asking me to put my UBuntu disk back in
[12:53] <Riggzy_Linux> yep lol
[12:53] <Riggzy_Linux> saves downloading
[12:53] <m3_> Media change: please insert the disc labeled
[12:53] <m3_>  'Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)'
[12:53] <m3_> in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
[12:53] <m3_> normal?
[12:53] <Riggzy_Linux> yep
[12:53] <Riggzy_Linux> just had to do it here
[12:53] <testmad> ok..got the speed up to par.
[12:54] <Riggzy_Linux> testmad - what did you do?
[12:54] <testmad> turned on render accell
[12:54] <testmad> and allowglx
[12:54] <Riggzy_Linux> woo
[12:54] <Riggzy_Linux> lol
[12:54] <m3_> If this works, I am going to tell all my friends by the thousands to swtch to Linux
[12:54] <testmad> but..it locked up when trying to mount my dvdrom
[12:55] <Riggzy_Linux> hehe m3_
[12:55] <Riggzy_Linux> make them a few copies of LiveCD/Install DVDs to save them waiting weeks for it to download
[12:55] <testmad> so i dunno if they go hand in hand or not..but im going to set everything back to defaults..and then try a reboot
[12:55] <fagr> why can not i just use ssh to log in to other linux distro on another pc on my network?
[12:55] <m3_> Riggzy_Linux, I think its done
[12:55] <fagr> i have the firewall disabled on both machines and still am getting connection refused
[12:56] <Riggzy_Linux> alright m3_, is it back to a prompt
[12:56] <m3_> yup
[12:56] <Riggzy_Linux> alrighty
[12:56] <Riggzy_Linux> click the K, click Control Center
[12:56] <m3_> there
[12:56] <Riggzy_Linux> then go to Internet & Network > Samba
[12:57] <Riggzy_Linux> and click the Administrator Mode button at the bottom
[12:57] <Riggzy_Linux> Once thats done (and you can edit the fields), set up your network details
[12:58] <Riggzy_Linux> you only need to change the Server Identification bit really
[12:58] <m3_> k, asked me for password
[12:58] <Riggzy_Linux> yeah
[12:58] <Riggzy_Linux> type in your pass
[12:59] <m3_> humm
[12:59] <m3_> did ntohing
[12:59] <m3_> doing it again
[12:59] <m3_> Samba, red outline, Loading...
[12:59] <Riggzy_Linux> lol as lnog as you can edit the fields,,
[12:59] <m3_> nothing
[01:00] <Riggzy_Linux> can you edit the text fields?
[01:00] <m3_> nope
[01:00] <m3_> just at loading screen
[01:00] <Riggzy_Linux> let it load... lol
[01:00] <m3_> wonder if its having issues
[01:01] <m3_> is there a Task Manger like windows
[01:01] <m3_> to see if process is frozen
[01:01] <m3_> or duplicate?
[01:01] <Riggzy_Linux> not really... not a GUI one anyway ;-)
[01:01] <Riggzy_Linux> just close it and try again
[01:01] <Riggzy_Linux> dunno why its crashing on you
[01:02] <m3_> found SYstem Monitor
[01:02] <m3_> looking in tha
[01:02] <Riggzy_Linux> just close the control center, and open it again - should work fine
[01:02] <m3_> k
[01:02] <m3_> restarting for 4th time
[01:02] <Riggzy_Linux> lol
[01:03] <m3_> just loading screen
[01:03] <m3_> its not prompting me for password
[01:03] <Riggzy_Linux> weird
[01:03] <Riggzy_Linux> look in the taskbar for a window called Run as root
[01:05] <m3_> what is my taskbar
[01:05] <Riggzy_Linux> hehe the bit at the bottom of the screen
[01:05] <Riggzy_Linux> with the name of all the windows
[01:06] <Riggzy_Linux> and the K menu
[01:06] <m3_> I thought that was called Panel
[01:06] <Riggzy_Linux> I was putting it in Windows terms heh
[01:07] <m3_> I have in Panel, Kmenu, System, Konquere, Terminal, Desktop Acces, PManager,  then like 4 desktops screens, Trash can
[01:09] <Riggzy_Linux> dont you see a list of all the windows?
[01:09] <Riggzy_Linux> like Konversation?
[01:10] <m3_> http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=7/19719392447.jpg&s=x2
[01:11] <m3_> maybe I have to restart this like Windows for samba to work?
[01:11] <Riggzy_Linux> maybe, but I didnt have to
[01:13] <m3_> shoud log out session, or restart comp?
[01:14] <m3_> okay restarting
[01:14] <m3_> brb
[01:16] <PurpleBlu> still not working
[01:17] <PurpleBlu> just sitting at Samba screen,   Loading....
[01:19] <PurpleBlu> is there any reason why my Samba is just sitting at the Loading screen?
[01:28] <PurpleBlu> Do I need a Root User to do Samba Adminstrative mode?
[01:28] <PurpleBlu> is thats why it wont load
[01:28] <PurpleBlu> ?
[01:34] <ep> A command to view the current screen resolution?
[01:35] <ep> How can I check my screen resolution?
[01:36] <gdh> ep: xdpyinfo | grep dim
[01:36] <gdh> yes we heard you the first time
[01:50] <blueyed> ubuntu is great, kubuntu is greater :P
[01:53] <loveUlongtime> i just picked my ear and my finger is coated in earboogars and it smells good
[02:17] <stef> hello all 
[02:17] <stef> I have a problem with the KDE control center
[02:18] <gdh> administrator mode?
[02:18] <gdh> goes back to the 'root' of the category?
[02:18] <stef> yes
[02:18] <stef> is there asolution for it?
[02:18] <gdh> edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:18] <gdh> enable the line for 'hoary-updates'
[02:18] <gdh> apt-get update
[02:18] <gdh> apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:18] <gdh> with sudo, etc.
[02:19] <gdh> will likely need you to log out + in afterwards
[02:20] <gdh> and on that note, am off to bed
[02:20] <gdh> nna
[02:23] <stef> this dont work for me after I done what gdh said the dist-upgrade will erase 86 packages 
[02:34] <boga> any one got kgamma working in kubuntu?
[02:43] <sproingie> kgamma brings up a very uninteresting blank control panel for me
[02:52] <_StiloMan_> como pido una lista de kanales con el konversation?
[03:53] <stabfacekill> could someone please tell me how to create a second destop menu?
[03:56] <stabfacekill> anyone?
[03:58] <stabfacekill> could someone please tell me how to create a second destop task bar?
[04:14] <stabfacekill> anyone breathing?
[04:15] <stabfacekill> I would like to make a second panel and I can't figure it out
[04:16] <shane_reid> i just installed kubuntu for the first time and kcontrol is broken
[04:16] <seth_k> right click panel > add to panel > panel > panel
[04:16] <shane_reid> if i try to use admin mode on any tab, it does not work and sends me back to the main kcontrol home screen
[04:16] <seth_k> shane_reid, upgrade to KDE 3.4.1
[04:16] <seth_k> see /topic for the link to instructions
[04:16] <stabfacekill> wow
[04:16] <shane_reid> seth_k: i cant.. my network wont work
[04:16] <stabfacekill> that was almost too easy
[04:16] <stabfacekill> ....the logic
[04:17] <shane_reid> i got my broadcom wlan0  driver working, and can get to my router but not the real internet
[04:17] <seth_k> shane_reid, then you will need to fix that before kcontrol
[04:17] <shane_reid> yes indeed ;-)
[04:17] <shane_reid> can anyone assist with that?
[04:18] <seth_k> what does ifconfig say?
[04:18] <shane_reid> it gives me an ip address on the wlan0 device
[04:18] <shane_reid> abd a bcast address and a mask
[04:18] <testmad> beware of setting transparency in kde 3.4.1..
[04:19] <testmad> it ate my xorg.conf.
[04:19] <testmad> and cuase mounting to be messed up
[04:19] <shane_reid> I can't for the life of me figure this out
[04:20] <shane_reid> i've read nearly every doc I can online and in ubuntu forums
[04:20] <Jeezis> anyone got a belkin f5d6020 ver. 2 pcmcia wireless card to work?
[04:20] <Jeezis> i think i have an irq issue
[04:21] <seth_k> shane_reid, as that is not a Kubuntu-specific problem, I'd try #ubuntu
[04:21] <seth_k> you too, Jeezis 
[04:21] <Jeezis> ok, no problem
[04:22] <testmad> y is kaffiene so slow to react?
[04:38] <testmad> who here is into themes?
[05:01] <pax> testmad:  what do you mean by 'beware of setting transparency in 3.4.1'?
[05:02] <testmad> well..when i used it, i had many issues
[05:02] <testmad> after editing my xorg.conf to allow renderaccel and composite...
[05:03] <testmad> i rebooted to find that it ran smoother but my DPI was off..so i went and added a desktopsize dpi setting
[05:03] <testmad> then rebooted..and it couldntfind 2 mounted drives..and it dropped me into comsole.
[05:04] <testmad> it said that the line after the composite entry was invalid..but there was nothing there
[05:04] <pax> transparency of what? 
[05:04] <testmad> so i opened it in console..and just saved it..aand rebotted..it werked on that part..but 2 drives still werent mounted
[05:05] <testmad> then i edited the fstab in console..and just saved and it was all werkin normal again..
[05:05] <testmad> its like it just trashed the files or somethin..i dunno
[05:05] <pax> you don't need to edit xorg to have transparency with apps that supports it?
[05:05] <testmad> umm..i had to add renderaccel to vid card device to speed it up..cus it was slower that snails after i turned on transparency.
[05:06] <testmad> and i also added the option composite enables to the end of the list in an extensions section
[05:07] <pax> your turned on transparency for what? konsole, kicker, xchat..?
[05:07] <testmad> windows
[05:07] <pax> eh?
[05:08] <testmad> control center>desktop>window behavior
[05:08] <testmad> and then translucency tab
[05:09] <testmad> and i also had to reinstall w32 codecs as well
[05:09] <testmad> after i got desktop back to normal
[05:09] <testmad> i dunno what happened.
[05:09] <pax> oh, why don't you use a theme with transparent window decoration? 
[05:09] <testmad> havent found anythemes i like
[05:10] <pax> you don't have to go thru all that just to have some eyecandy window decoration, hold on, let me find you one
[05:10] <pax> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=13969
[05:10] <testmad> im a letstep themer and sofar im not that impressed with the kde themes ive seen
[05:11] <pax> I used this theme before and it's great, give it a shot :)
[05:11] <testmad> ehh..squares...
[05:11] <testmad> im more into rounded corners
[05:12] <testmad> if i wanted squares i wwould have just used ubuntu..and not kubuntu
[05:12] <pax> you can have rounded corners with this theme :)
[05:12] <testmad> even with the +-x buttons?
[05:13] <testmad> (min, max,close)
[05:13] <testmad> im really picky..
[05:13] <testmad> sorry
[05:13] <pax> yes, you can round all corners 
[05:13] <testmad> how?
[05:13] <pax> install it and check the settings, it has some options
[05:14] <pax> check the second picture, it shows rounded corners
[05:14] <pax> you can make control the size of the frame as well
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[05:16] <testmad> i need to learn some KDE theming...bring some of my LS experiance to the table
[05:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm trying this to compile a module: make KERNEL_DIR=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-686-smp
[05:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> is this not correct?
[06:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> is anyone awake?
[06:11] <_shawn_> what ladd4r?
[06:12] <ladd4r> i need to change my kernel in grub
[06:12] <ladd4r> how do i do that?
[06:13] <ladd4r> i see several options listed..i need to run the one that is not smp
[06:13] <_shawn_> ummm I dponno so far I've only done so with lilo I'm new to grub
[06:14] <_shawn_> so what you want to do is you just upgraded your kernel and you want to boot to that?
[06:15] <ladd4r> i want to "downgrade"
[06:15] <ladd4r> i want to boot the non-smp kernel
[06:15] <_shawn_> ok
[06:16] <_shawn_> ummm search onm google usaully I'd try to help but I'm too tired to function
[06:20] <ME_Here> hey guys anyone downloaded QT4 here?
[07:09] <mikec> morning all i am running kubuntu. any ideas why i can't get apt-get to install anything
[08:12] <TestMAD> its quiet in here tonite
[08:13] <stibby> yes
[08:13] <TestMAD> everyones out partying
[08:13] <TestMAD> too bad i dont have a life
[08:13] <stibby> really?
[08:13] <TestMAD> heh
[08:14] <stibby> neither do I
[08:14] <TestMAD> tomorrow im gonna bust out my 3ds
[08:14] <TestMAD> gonna start on a kde theme
[08:14] <stibby> cool
[08:15] <TestMAD> im gonna try for ice lookin window borders
[08:15] <stibby> what tool do you use?
[08:15] <TestMAD> 3ds
[08:15] <TestMAD> i dual boot linux and xp
[08:15] <TestMAD> i have no use for linux gfx apps
[08:15] <stibby> got an URL?
[08:15] <TestMAD> no
[08:16] <TestMAD> 3ds is retail..
[08:17] <stibby> I think it'd be fun to learn Blender and GIMP
[08:17] <TestMAD> im too used to the way photoshop is to change my ways
[08:17] <TestMAD> GIMP is a good free tool..but its no match for PS
[08:18] <supernix> anyone know much about how dhcp works ?
[08:18] <TestMAD> i dont
[08:18] <stibby> did you google it?
[08:18] <supernix> would the debian docs shed light on it?
[08:19] <TestMAD> i dunno
[08:19] <TestMAD> http://www.dhcp-handbook.com/dhcp_faq.html
[08:23] <hettar> Is there any way to stop kaffine from consuming 100% of the CPU every time you close it ?
[08:25] <TestMAD> yes
[08:25] <TestMAD> hold on..someone made a fix for it
[08:25] <TestMAD> lemme get you a link
[08:25] <hettar> Cool thanks
[08:27] <TestMAD> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27670&highlight=kaffiene
[08:27] <hettar> Thankyou. It was starting to annoy me quite a bit :-)
[08:30] <TestMAD> np
[08:31] <TestMAD> i hated it too
[08:33] <supernix> ty TestMAD 
[08:33] <TestMAD> np
[08:34] <TestMAD> who would of thought..only using kubuntu for a week and im already givin back..
[08:34] <TestMAD> heh
[08:39] <doctor_salvia> wow guys tonight is nice... kicken back after my days work and smoking my ever so great concocyion of pipe tobacco and salvia.
[08:40] <TestMAD> hmm
[08:40] <TestMAD> i used to have a pipe
[08:41] <TestMAD> long time ago
[08:48] <supernix> ok I think I figured it out
[08:49] <supernix> if you want to use a localhost dns server you have to edit dhcpd.conf and uncomment the line about prepend domain-name-server 127.0.0.1;
[08:49] <supernix> if you don't do that it will overwrite your changes to resolve.conf
[08:52] <akrus> hello
[08:52] <akrus> how to enable root login under kdm?
[08:57] <supernix> why do you need to enable root login ?
[09:27] <LuNaTiK^GuY> usually once i install the Nvidia driver i get a refesh rate of 80Hz....but i'm stuck on 60Hz...wot can i do?
[09:55] <LuNaTiK^GuY> is tere a guide to install nvidia driver?
[09:57] <TestMAD> !nvidia
[09:57] <ubotu> I guess nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:04] <LuNaTiK^GuY> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
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[10:05] <LuNaTiK^GuY> TestMAD: when i did "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" i got an error msg that xorg.conf had been modified so i needed to edit it manually
[10:05] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i had edited xorg.conf....setting driver to "vesa" because i couldnt boot up
[10:06] <LuNaTiK^GuY> now i set it to "nvidia"
[10:13] <LuNaTiK^GuY> how can i overrid refresh rates of my monitor...its doing 60Hz max...but i know it can go up to 80hz!!
[10:14] <pax> ubotu show LuNaTiK^GuY resolution
[10:14] <ubotu> pax: I give up, what is it?
[10:15] <LuNaTiK^GuY> !resolution
[10:15] <ubotu> [resolution]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:16] <pax> got it wrong I guess
[10:17] <pax> ubotu: tell pax about resolution
[10:26] <LuNaTiK^GuY> !resolution
[10:26] <ubotu> from memory, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:32] <LuNaTiK^GuY> !repositories
[10:32] <ubotu> [repositories]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:33] <LuNaTiK^GuY> the repositories wiki isnt good for KDE
[10:33] <LuNaTiK^GuY> how can i add EVERYTHING?
[10:33] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Univers/Multiverse/backports?
[10:46] <LuNaTiK^GuY> !mounting
[10:46] <ubotu> LuNaTiK^GuY: I give up, what is it?
[10:46] <LuNaTiK^GuY> !mount
[10:46] <ubotu> hmm... mount is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[10:54] <LuNaTiK^GuY> !alsa
[10:54] <ubotu> LuNaTiK^GuY: Are you smoking crack?
[10:54] <LuNaTiK^GuY> how can i configure alsa lol
[10:54] <LuNaTiK^GuY> this bot is funny ;)
[10:55] <LuNaTiK^GuY> is it alsaconf from console?
[02:34] <LuNaTiK^GuY> how can i add a new theme to kopete
[02:34] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ?
[02:38] <Riggzy_Linux> Hmm, trying to compile an app but it says I need qt-devel-tools installed - anyone know where I can get it?
[02:39] <jpatrick> kynatic.
[02:41] <Riggzy_Linux> aint on there
[02:55] <hussam> Riggzy_Linux:  its qt3-dev-tools
[03:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Where is Xscrrensaver?
[03:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i want the matrix one
[03:25] <LuNaTiK^GuY> !Xscreensaver
[03:25] <ubotu> LuNaTiK^GuY: Are you smoking crack?
[03:25] <LuNaTiK^GuY> !screensaver
[03:25] <ubotu> LuNaTiK^GuY: Wish i knew
[03:31] <nikkia> !xlock
[03:31] <ubotu> nikkia: I give up, what is it?
[03:31] <nikkia> !info xlock
[03:31] <nikkia> hmmm
[03:32] <nikkia> LuNaTiK^GuY: its there...
[03:33] <nikkia> !xscreensaver
[03:33] <ubotu> Wish i knew, nikkia
[03:33] <LuNaTiK^GuY> where is it?
[03:33] <nikkia> ubotu is just plain wrong *shrug*
[03:33] <ubotu> nikkia: I give up, what is it?
[03:33] <nikkia> LuNaTiK^GuY: its called 'xscreensaver'...
[03:33] <nikkia> Package: xscreensaver
[03:33] <nikkia> Priority: optional
[03:33] <nikkia> Section: x11
[03:34] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i have no idea 
[03:34] <LuNaTiK^GuY> where am i supposed to look for it?
[03:36] <LuNaTiK^GuY> !xscreensaver
[03:36] <ubotu> No idea, LuNaTiK^GuY
[03:36] <LuNaTiK^GuY> in the screensavers i have there is no such thing
[03:57] <_andreas> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21232 High frequency noise using kernel 2.6.10 - Can anyone help? When ACPI=OFF then the noise is gone, if ACPI=ON then acpi functions work, but the noise drives you crazy.
[04:06] <_andreas> maybe some of you have some experiences with that, me as a newbie only beeing able to use the most easy linux = ubuntu..:
[04:06] <_andreas> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21232 High frequency noise using kernel 2.6.10 - Can anyone help? When ACPI=OFF then the noise is gone, if ACPI=ON then acpi functions work, but the noise drives you crazy.
[04:19] <jago> has any one tried to use the lexmark developers pack?
[04:47] <Verwilst> the kubuntu site is pretty sucky :(
[05:11] <_StarScream> my kdm is still b0rked in breezy...is this still the case for everyone or is it just me?
[05:35] <_StiloMan_> Buenas a todos
[05:35] <_StiloMan_> alguien q sepa una buena pagina para conoceer todos los entresijos de mi kubuntu horay?
[05:37] <lopo_ch> hi
[05:47] <nikkia> afternoon apokryphos
[05:48] <apokryphos> nikkia: hey. This is definitely the latest I've woken up in... ages.
[05:48] <apokryphos> Repetitive night-shifts are intensive 8)
[05:48] <apokryphos> nikkia: how are you today? :)
[05:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: about 2 hours after talking to you about bulldog yesterday, my order switched to 'installing...  your line will be connected on 29/7/2005'
[05:49] <apokryphos> add 7 days to that, and you'll be alright
[05:49] <LuNaTiK^GuY> how can i install new themes from the control centre?
[05:49] <nikkia> apokryphos: heh, we'll see
[05:49] <apokryphos> LuNaTiK^GuY: what themes? Styles?
[05:49] <nikkia> apokryphos: just hope they remember to send me the modem :P
[05:49] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yes
[05:49] <LuNaTiK^GuY> just point the package to it?
[05:50] <apokryphos> nikkia: oh, you applied for it? Bad thing about us is that we got them just before they made their prices cheap, heh
[05:50] <apokryphos> LuNaTiK^GuY: nope; you will need to compile from source
[05:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: i don't have any modem anyway, so i needed one
[05:50] <LuNaTiK^GuY> in gnome i could just point the package
[05:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: it was more expensive than  itcould have been, but still
[05:50] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :(
[05:50] <apokryphos> nikkia: is it a router they give?
[05:51] <nikkia> apokryphos: by default, you get a usb modem for free, for 50 you can have a ethernet modem, for 75 or something, you can have a router
[05:51] <taiga> hello
[05:51] <nikkia> i have a router, but no DSL modem, so i went with the ethernet modem
[05:51] <apokryphos> LuNaTiK^GuY: you can do that for icons etc, not styles though. I think they're going to integrate khotnewstuff soon, which means you'll be able to download and install from kcontrol
[05:51] <LuNaTiK^GuY> oh good ;)
[05:51] <LuNaTiK^GuY> and wot about Theme Manager?
[05:51] <apokryphos> nikkia: what! We never got no free modem
[05:52] <apokryphos> nikkia: we just wished we discovered routers earlier, can't not have one in a house with 6 comps.
[05:52] <apokryphos> LuNaTiK^GuY: what about it?
[05:52] <nikkia> heh
[05:52] <LuNaTiK^GuY> can i install by pointing the package?
[05:52] <nikkia> apokryphos: i need a new router, tbh anyway
[05:53] <nikkia> apokryphos: my linksys wlan+router is needing a reboot every 4-5 hours :/
[05:53] <apokryphos> nikkia: my one is dodgy; but 99% ok. 
[05:53] <apokryphos> LuNaTiK^GuY: install what, though? Theme manager handles several things
[05:53] <apokryphos> nikkia: eek
[05:53] <LuNaTiK^GuY> lets say i downloaded a whole theme from kde-look.org
[05:54] <LuNaTiK^GuY> will the theme manager install it that way?
[05:54] <apokryphos> nikkia: not as bad as normal modem, as I recall; NTL would disconnect us every 2 hours
[05:54] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm stiill bulding LFS so bear with my terrible 'typing' and slowness :P
[05:54] <apokryphos> LuNaTiK^GuY: oh, don't actually know how that works. I haven't used it; check the howtos on kdelook.org
[05:55] <apokryphos> nikkia: heh, no worries. How's that going?
[05:55] <LuNaTiK^GuY> okies 10x
[05:55] <nikkia> apokryphos: getting near the end
[05:55] <nikkia> and my fine typing there means that readline must have finished building
[05:55] <apokryphos> nikkia: near the end of the beginning :P
[05:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: well, near the end of the LFS bit
[05:58] <nikkia> building Xorg and KDE will be a long job, but not much hassle
[05:59] <apokryphos> building KDE was a lot quicker than I used to think. Can't wait to see how long it'll take on my new comp
[06:00] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm in two minds how far to go with vmware before tar'ing the fs and copying it onto my (current kubuntu) system
[06:00] <LuNaTiK^GuY> amarok is soooo coool :)
[06:00] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i like ;)
[06:00] <taiga> little question regarding breezy: is it safe upgrading from 5.04? I'm not quite sure how complete the gcc resp. g++ transition is. Seems to be complete for KDE but how about other c++ apps? any major annoyances preventing someone using it on production systems? :)
[06:01] <apokryphos> nikkia: I know so little about vmware it would be embarrasing for me to comment :|
[06:01] <apokryphos> LuNaTiK^GuY: sure is; new versions got a lot more cool features, too. taiga: it's not safe, no.
[06:01] <buz> no its not safe
[06:01] <buz> it's not stable at all
[06:02] <taiga> ah, I see.
[06:02] <buz> if you dont want to develop on it
[06:02] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i dont mind missing some features for safety :)
[06:02] <buz> wait until the release candidate, at least
[06:02] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'm not a guru...i better wait ;)
[06:02] <taiga> what are the major quirks?
[06:02] <apokryphos> LuNaTiK^GuY: wasn't really saying it to make you upgrade ;-). Just to let you know... there's other good stuff in store
[06:03] <apokryphos> taiga: X being broken
[06:03] <taiga> oh..
[06:03] <LuNaTiK^GuY> apokryphos: sure ;)
[06:03] <nikkia> ok, thats quite weird
[06:03] <nikkia> apokryphos: my keyboard's batteries just died mid-writing vimrc for my LFS...
[06:04] <taiga> apokryphos: okey, that's not ideal. ;)
[06:04] <nikkia> in the process, it send 20 'r's in the middle of 'set background=dark'
[06:04] <apokryphos> haha. That's the worst thing about these cordless keyboards and mouses
[06:04] <nikkia> apokryphos: the weird part is, when i put the new batteries in, the first thing the keyboard did, was send all of the keypresses i'd tried before i realised the batteries died
[06:04] <apokryphos> the charger on the mouse used to be really great but it's been dying out quicker recently
[06:05] <apokryphos> Sounds like a superkeyboard300xzillion
[06:05] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i mite try linux on a laptop (once i buy one).....wots better on battery consumption..Linux or Win?
[06:05] <nikkia> old batteries are recharging now :P
[06:06] <LuNaTiK^GuY> can i get specific programs to be seen in their respective virtual desktop?
[06:07] <nikkia> apokryphos: erm, given how much i type, i wouldn't complain too much about hating batteries in cordless keyboards
[06:07] <LuNaTiK^GuY> coz although i use different desktops.....the KDE bar shows all my proggies :(
[06:07] <nikkia> they lasted exactly 8 months
[06:07] <nikkia> (to the day)
[06:08] <apokryphos> LuNaTiK^GuY: right-click on panel -> Taskbar -> show windows from all desktops
[06:08] <apokryphos> nikkia: ours was a lot less than that, but pretty good the first time. It's probably down to the fact that we just have really tacky batteries in it now
[06:09] <LuNaTiK^GuY> apokryphos: i'm not getting it
[06:09] <nikkia> apokryphos: i *only* use high-power NiMh
[06:09] <LuNaTiK^GuY> do i go in "Configure Panel"
[06:09] <taiga> bbl. thanks for the hints.
[06:09] <nikkia> apokryphos: the ones in the keyboard are 2000mAH, the ones in the mouse, 2400mAH
[06:09] <apokryphos> LuNaTiK^GuY: heh, missed that step -- yes, you do.
[06:10] <apokryphos> nikkia: ooOOoo
[06:10] <apokryphos> heh
[06:10] <LuNaTiK^GuY> apokryphos: thanks mate ;)
[06:10] <apokryphos> we have "powercell" -- "super extra heavy duty"
[06:10] <nikkia> apokryphos: that probably translates to 1200mAH :P
[06:11] <apokryphos> love the expletives -- "super extra"
[06:11] <nikkia> normal (and i use that term loosely, since noone has sold 'normal' AA batteries in a decade) AA are 900mAH
[06:11] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wots more economical on laptop batteries, Linux or Win?
[06:11] <nikkia> LuNaTiK^GuY: depends on what you do :)
[06:11] <LuNaTiK^GuY> nikkia: example?
[06:12] <nikkia> wtf runs a laptop on batteries enough to care these days, tho ?
[06:12] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i do :)
[06:12] <nikkia> LuNaTiK^GuY: if you use X/KDE then there's not going to be much difference
[06:12] <nikkia> windows *may* perform better if linux doesn't support your CPU's frequency scaling, which it probably doesn't :)
[06:13] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i mite get an AMD Turion
[06:13] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :S
[06:14] <nikkia> also, there's the fact that linux support on laptops is never really great, too much proprietary hardware
[06:15] <nikkia> NOOOooooo
[06:15] <nikkia> vmware just crashed
[06:16] <LuNaTiK^GuY> hmmmmmmmm.......i really would like to keep Linux all around.....use it full-time for a while to get used ot it 
[06:18] <LuNaTiK^GuY> when i sec Volume to maximum...sound is distorted...when i reduce it a little (kmix) its ok
[06:18] <LuNaTiK^GuY> any reason y?
[07:06] <ivan> hi does anybody know where can i find some repository?
[07:48] <anuljade> wennaaass...
[07:50] <buz> ?
[07:54] <_matt__> hello, i have a question about getting splashy to install
[07:54] <_matt__> or rather, not want to remove itself
[07:56] <_matt__> it seems to depend on libc6 2.3.2.dsl-21, but the newest one in kynaptic is older than that
[07:57] <_matt__> anyone know where i could get the 2.3.2.dsl-21 version?
[08:19] <[Relic] > if I install win and kubuntu on the same HD, when I divide up the disk if I quick format each section with fat32 will the kunbutu installer just format over that w/o problems?
[08:20] <brk3> [Relic] : yup dont see why not
[08:21] <[Relic] > just making sure, I know I could use fdisk and just divided it up w/o quickformat
[08:22] <brk3> why do you need to quickformat each section first at all?
[08:22] <[Relic] > last time I used the seatools program I think it did the quick lowlevel format
[08:24] <[Relic] > thinking on the line of #1 linux swap #2 win #3 linux #4 data
[08:27] <brk3> sure that'd work fine
[08:32] <silverblade> I wish to use Firefox in Kubuntu, but am unable to install it due to failed dependencies
[08:32] <silverblade> im assuming i need the GTK libs... how do i get them installed
[08:33] <brk3> silverblade: open up kynaptic
[08:33] <silverblade> yup
[08:33] <brk3> silverblade: and install the gtk2 libs
[08:33] <silverblade> which section do they come under
[08:33] <brk3> silverblade: il just check now
[08:34] <brk3> silverblade: press ctrl+f
[08:34] <brk3> to bring up the find dialog
[08:34] <brk3> ya?
[08:34] <silverblade> yup..
[08:34] <brk3> and type libgtk2
[08:34] <brk3> should be the first one in the list
[08:34] <silverblade> nothing comes up
[08:34] <silverblade> typing juts "gtk" comes up with openoffice.org-gtk-gnome
[08:35] <brk3> you must need to add more sources to your list
[08:35] <ilba7r> how to reinstall the default kde menu
[08:35] <silverblade> ah yes brk3 i just figured that hehe - i had to mess with the installation as my cdrom on my laptop is bust
[08:35] <silverblade> so i did a network install, using Apache and my desktop CDROM drive ...
[08:35] <brk3> silverblade: so did you get it?
[08:36] <silverblade> not yet, how do i add sources
[08:36] <brk3> lets see
[08:36] <brk3> one sec
[08:36] <ilba7r> how to reinstall the default kde menu
[08:36] <brk3> ilba7r: not sure
[08:37] <ilba7r> ok thanx brk3 i thought i might find it in etc but perhaps it is just hidden
[08:37] <brk3> silverblade: ok
[08:38] <brk3> type
[08:38] <brk3> sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:38] <brk3> at your terminal
[08:38] <silverblade> yup
[08:38] <brk3> did that file come up?
[08:38] <silverblade> yeah
[08:38] <brk3> just uncomment all the lines(remove the # at the start)
[08:39] <brk3> dont bother with the source ones though
[08:39] <brk3> the deb-src ones
[08:39] <brk3> and then save the file
[08:39] <silverblade> ok now i have 2 of everything
[08:40] <silverblade> Communication, Communication (universe)
[08:40] <brk3> ya thats good
[08:40] <silverblade> still no libgtk tho
[08:40] <brk3> reload the list
[08:40] <silverblade> i have
[08:40] <brk3> hmm
[08:41] <brk3> should be there
[08:41] <silverblade> i think its because my main mirror *is* my cdrom of my desktop machine
[08:41] <brk3> if you uncommented the universe sources etc and refreshed the list it should be there
[08:42] <brk3> do packages show up in the Communication (universe)?
[08:42] <brk3> section
[08:43] <silverblade> yeah
[08:43] <silverblade> aha...
[08:43] <brk3> ?
[08:44] <silverblade> i just added
[08:44] <silverblade> deb <url> hoary main universe
[08:44] <silverblade> that seemed to do something
[08:44] <silverblade> its downloading a 2 mb package index
[08:44] <brk3> seems good
[08:45] <silverblade> a lot of stuff has just been added
[08:45] <brk3> check for the moneyshot :p
[08:45] <silverblade> tons of libgtks lol
[08:46] <brk3> well is the main one there?
[08:46] <silverblade> doesnt matter cos firefox and thunderbird are now showing up as being able toinstall
[08:47] <brk3> ya but i would advise installing the one you were going to
[08:47] <silverblade> i dunno which one it was...
[08:48] <brk3> the one in the respitories make you install loads of unnecessary gnome libs
[08:48] <silverblade> oh
[08:48] <silverblade> oh well lol
[08:48] <brk3> just get the latest tarball of the firefox website
[08:48] <brk3> too late now is it? :p
[08:48] <silverblade> yeah lol
[08:48] <brk3> damn broadband
[08:48] <brk3> so lucky
[08:48] <brk3> well make sure you install the gtk-qt engine and plastikfox theme
[08:49] <silverblade> ok
[08:49] <brk3> makes it look a 100 times better
[08:49] <silverblade> does that work on other distros?
[08:49] <brk3> what?
[08:49] <silverblade> the gtk-qt thing
[08:50] <brk3> ya
[08:50] <brk3> but in kubuntu its in the respitories so it sets it up nicely for you
[08:50] <silverblade> cool
[08:50] <silverblade> im just coming over from Fedora so just wanted to see what it was like
[08:51] <brk3> i tried fedora once and hated it
[08:51] <brk3> kubuntu is def the best ive ever had :)
[08:51] <sproingie> fedora's not too bad, but it has no upgrade paths
[08:51] <silverblade> i dont mind it... using it on my desktop. a bit bloated and can be slow
[08:51] <sproingie> you're expected to just reinstall to upgrade to a new FC version
[08:51] <silverblade> i just do "yum update"
[08:52] <sproingie> it will eventually fall out of date
[08:52] <sproingie> they have no systemwide upgrade path, and some things wont be updated
[08:52] <brk3> it has no config tools and is really unpolished
[08:52] <silverblade> i installed kde 3.4 manually
[08:52] <silverblade> it has config tools... they just seem basic
[08:52] <brk3> basic
[08:52] <sproingie> polished is the one thing i'd call fedora ... tho it's lost some in kde lately
[08:52] <brk3> they suck
[08:53] <silverblade> i cant stand kde's default look
[08:53] <sproingie> in fedora?
[08:53] <silverblade> in any distro
[08:53] <brk3> although kynaptic is nothing to shout about :p
[08:53] <brk3> yet
[08:53] <brk3> sproingie: when i tried it it had every single prog crammed into the menus
[08:53] <silverblade> esp. fedora
[08:53] <sproingie> i like plastik.  i hate garish eye-candy
[08:54] <brk3> lipstik
[08:54] <sproingie> i think kubuntu uses something more like lipstik by default.  it's kind of hodgepodge
[08:54] <sproingie> lipstik doesnt even have consist gradients.  kinda like XP that way
[08:54] <sproingie> consistent that is
[08:55] <sproingie> every titlebar in XP looks concave, and buttons flex like cheap plastic when you press 'em
[08:55] <sproingie> whoever designed luna is even more amateurish than the guy who wrote keramik
[08:55] <silverblade> i liked the watercolour theme from Whistler
[08:55] <silverblade> that was nice
[08:55] <brk3> later dudes
[08:56] <cloud> hi to all
[08:56] <cloud> i have a simple problem, can someone give me some help? :D
[08:56] <sproingie> ask
[08:57] <cloud> i shared some folders with samba, but when i try to open files from w.xp i receive "access denied"
[08:57] <cloud> i selected writable-public-avaible
[08:57] <cloud> share mode is set to "user"
[08:58] <sproingie> you already know more about samba than i can remember
[08:58] <cloud> sob.. :(
[08:58] <sproingie> what'd you call me punk?
[09:18] <hussam> Mez: are you there?
[09:34] <Mez> hussam, what's up?
[09:35] <Mez> (sorry about the delay)
[09:35] <hussam> I read you post here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=48583
[09:36] <hussam> I installed the updated dpkg builds
[09:37] <hussam> but today when I did apt-get update, I found out that the updated dpkg is now marked as local, was it removed from the repository?
[09:38] <Mez> yes, hence why I said to not use it as they were testing packages
[09:39] <hussam> oops, will reverting back work?
[09:40] <Mez> not really no
[09:40] <hussam> Ok then I'll stick to 1.13.10 till breezy.
[09:42] <hussam> One more question, you also mention in the thread that kde 3.4.2 will make it to backports. Since kde 3.4.2 is set for a week or so from now and I think it fixes http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106922 , I also wanted to ask if we will be seeing a kde 3.4.2 backport like in kde 3.4.1.
[09:47] <hussam> ok thank Mez
[09:47] <TestMAD> i wanna how much longer till 3.5
[09:47] <TestMAD> and 4.0
[10:08] <Riggzy_Linux> Hmm, what line in my smb.conf do I need to change to choose the drivers?
[10:08] <Riggzy_Linux> change/add
[10:09] <Riggzy_Linux> 'cos at the moment my Windows box is complaining that I dont have the proper drivers installed
[10:20] <hackrash> nas
[10:21] <hackrash> alguien sabe por q en las X la repeticion de teclas del teclado va disminullendo como si se bloquearan ?
[10:21] <laser_tk> salee
[10:23] <TestMAD> where can i find kde theming tuts?
[10:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: last major step now, building the kernel :P
[10:44] <dontbugme_girl> hello
[10:44] <m0ns00n> hey
[10:44] <dontbugme_girl> is there anyone in here?
[10:45] <dontbugme_girl> hi
[10:45] <aarcane> I've been in kde too long
[10:45] <nikkia> dontbugme_girl: erm, if you don't want to be bugged, in my experience putting 'girl' in your nick is the wrong approach :P
[10:45] <aarcane> Using xchat I wanted to join this channel..
[10:45] <aarcane> I typed /koin
[10:45] <nikkia> aarcane: using xchat over the superior kde irc clients is a deeper sign of madness, IMO :P
[10:45] <dontbugme_girl> nice nick nikkia
[10:46] <aarcane> nikkia, lol, as you infer..  I'm simply accustomed to xchat since I use it on aaaaalll my computers, KDE, Gnome, Windows, and even BSD
[10:47] <aarcane> anyway..  on to my purpose..  I'm trying to configure KDM but when I set a wallpaper or select a list of users to show on my login screen, none of my settings show up
[10:47] <nikkia> aarcane: have you disabled the theme support?
[10:48] <nikkia> iirc, if themes are enabled (and they are by default on kubuntu) then they will override the other settings
[10:48] <aarcane> nikkia, not that I can tell, I don't see the theme support checkbox
[10:49] <nikkia> aarcane: erm, its a config line in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc i don't know if there is a GUI equivalent
[10:49] <supernix> hey what do you use to rip a cd?
[10:49] <aarcane> nikkia, alright, is it obvious which line or need you to tell me ?
[10:50] <nikkia> aarcane: its 'Theme=true' so i'd say, obvious
[10:51] <aarcane> Theme=/usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu
[10:51] <dontbugme_girl> ca anyone suggest me a nice channel to join?
[10:51] <aarcane> should I set it simply to false ?
[10:51] <dontbugme_girl> can*
[10:52] <aarcane> dontbugme_girl, #emotion
[10:52] <dontbugme_girl> thanks
[10:52] <dontbugme_girl> join #emotion
[10:52] <dontbugme_girl> uhuhuh
[10:52] <dontbugme_girl> got some problem
[10:52] <dontbugme_girl> :D
[10:52] <aarcane> forgot qa leading /
[10:52] <dontbugme_girl> try again
[10:52] <dontbugme_girl> join/ #emotion
[10:53] <dontbugme_girl> again
[10:53] <dontbugme_girl> damn
[10:53] <dontbugme_girl> :D
[10:53] <dontbugme_girl> sorry
[10:53] <dontbugme_girl> it's my first time
[10:53] <aarcane> erm..
[10:53] <aarcane> /join #emotion
[10:53] <supernix> hey anyone know what to use to rip a cd ?
[10:53] <dontbugme_girl> thanks
[10:54] <dontbugme_girl> i did it
[10:58] <nikkia> supernix: the konqueror KIO approach is reasonably easy :)
[10:59] <supernix> I don't know what kio is 
[10:59] <nikkia> supernix: insert audio CD, open media:/// select CD drive, select virtual directory that contains the format you want (/mp3, /ogg, /flac, /wav) drag files to hard disk
[11:00] <supernix> kewl
[11:00] <nikkia> i'm not entirely sure which 'restricted' package enables the mp3 directory, probably one of the lame packages
[11:01] <supernix> hmmm I don't see a mp3 folder there
[11:02] <nikkia> supernix: you probably need to install liblame or something
[11:04] <nikkia> supernix: this is how it looks on my system: http://narch.1.vg/~nikki/kio.png
[11:07] <supernix> very interesting
[11:08] <supernix> I was confused because the lame files say that lame aint a mp3 encoder
[11:08] <supernix> not sure what that meant because I thought that was what lame did was make mp3 files
[11:08] <nikkia> supernix: just the authors being silly
[11:09] <supernix> oic ty
[11:09] <supernix> now that I have all the wav files ripped how can I burn them what would be best to use to make a cd ?
[11:10] <nikkia> k3b ?
[11:11] <sproingie> "x is not y" where y is actually what x is is sort of a long running joke in the unix world
[11:12] <sproingie> GNU == gnu's not unix.  even though it reimplements most of unix userland
[11:12] <sproingie> pine == pine is not elm ... tho i guess that's true
[11:14] <TestMAD> can anyone here point me in a good direction for themeing kde
[11:17] <nikkia> sproingie: its usually 'true' and 'false'
[11:17] <nikkia> in the sense that it really isn't what it says it isn't, but at the same time, does the same thing as what it says it isn't
[11:20] <sproingie> yeah
[11:20] <sproingie> gnu's not unix was a jab at unix vendors
[11:20] <sproingie> i.e. GNU's not crappy cumbersome limited unix tools from your vendor
[11:21] <sproingie> which indeed it's not
[11:21] <sproingie> tho gnu tar burned me pretty often on solaris
[11:21] <nikkia> sproingie: gnu tar annoys me immensely
[11:21] <nikkia> sproingie: the -y vs -j business...
[11:22] <nikkia> sproingie: if they have the code to tell you to use -j instead of -y, then just *(*&(ing do the same thing with -y!!
[11:22] <gdh> bzip2? :)
[11:22] <gdh> I remember bzip2 in tar being -I (capital 'eye') for a while.
[11:23] <nikkia> gdh, it was -y for the longest time, i think
[11:23] <gdh> still new-fangled on me :)
[11:23] <calimatt> Hi all.. I'm having problems with wireless Internet in Kubuntu.. I had made it work using the command 'iwconfig ath0 essid DSLWAP'. but now I can't find ath0
[11:23] <sproingie> nikkia: well solaris tar has no decompress option at all
[11:23] <sproingie> it's actually -z vs -j
[11:24] <sproingie> GNU tar had a limit on path length
[11:24] <sproingie> if it exceeded it, it would just untar things into the current dir
[11:24] <sproingie> gnu tar also couldn't handle largefiles, solaris could
[11:24] <sproingie> i think that's all been fixed now
[11:25] <calimatt> when I used to type iwconfig as root, I'd get a device 'ath0' that has wireless extensions, and now when I type iwconfig 'ath0' no longer shows up.. and non of the other devices have wireless extensions
[11:25] <sproingie> i think the compression situation in unix land is shameful, that any program should have to know about compression
[11:26] <sproingie> this should be a basic function of filesystems now
[11:26] <calimatt> can anybody help me?
[11:26] <calimatt> I really need to get online
[11:27] <nikkia> now its -j, and if you do -y, it says 'this is deprecated, use -j'
[11:27] <nikkia> ah, -I does the same thing
[11:27] <nikkia> but suggests -T as an alternative to -j
[11:27] <nikkia> now i need to know what -T does
[11:27] <nikkia> buh?
[11:27] <nikkia> -T does nothing like what -j does
[11:27] <nikkia> anyway... gdh, i also wish it'd detect .gz or .bz2 automatically
[11:28] <gdh> nikkia: It seems an obvious feature... 
[11:28] <nikkia> gdh, IMO, -z should be a generic 'decompress'
[11:28] <gdh> nikkia: But I expect a small war would break out if it were suggested.
[11:28] <gdh> nikkia: 'Do what I said, not what you think I meant' etc.
[11:28] <nikkia> gdh, and code to detect compression type, (compress, gzip, bzip2, ???) shoudl be added
[11:28] <gdh> the anti-Perl lobby :)
[11:28] <calimatt> how do I make my wireless internet work again.. I mean.. it was working.. then I restarted my computer.. and suddenly i twon't work
[11:29] <sproingie> there should be a libcompress that handles every major format
[11:29] <nikkia> sooner or later, someone is going to invent another compression type, and tar will be *(&*(ed cos they'll have run out of characters :P
[11:29] <sproingie> lzh, lzw, lz77, bzip2, rle, deflate, etc
[11:29] <gdh> nikkia: 7-Zip already exists :)
[11:29] <gdh> (the reason for which escapes me entirely)
[11:29] <sproingie> libz should just deal with every format
[11:29] <_matt__> anyone know how i can get konqeror to keep opening in details view
[11:29] <nikkia> of course, if its a format GNU hates, which it probably will, cos they're like that, it'll be --decompress-this-incredibly-annoying-format-that-we-don't-like-so-we-created-only-long-options
[11:30] <_matt__> and not have to set it each time
[11:30] <nikkia> (and yes, the ' will be part of it, just to trip newbies up!)
[11:30] <gdh> don\'t , yes :)
[11:30] <sproingie> nikkia: and of course it will only be documented on the info page, since man pages are for dirty plebes
[11:31] <nikkia> sproingie: yeah, and of course, most distros will incorrectly configure man2info to return the man page when you do 'info tar' :P
[11:31] <nikkia> jebus!
[11:32] <nikkia> who on earth needs a util to convert 3 year old dhcp leases to the current format??
[11:32] <sproingie> holy missing the point of dhcp batman
[11:32] <nikkia> is there really anyone out there whose mission critical app will fail if their leases are renewed ??
[11:33] <sproingie> actually indefinite dhcp leases for an address aren't uncommon
[11:33] <nikkia> sproingie: it kind of misses the point, IMO
[11:33] <sproingie> but they still are supposed to "renew" them to refresh any other config that goes with them
[11:33] <sproingie> otherwise yeah, what's the point
[11:33] <gdh> nikkia: I'd think if you had /that/ mission-critical an app, and didn't have any staff who could knock together a few lines of perl/bash to convert... then you have /much/ bigger problems :)
[11:34] <nikkia> gdh, indeed
[11:34] <nikkia> actually, i shouldn't gloat/laugh
[11:34] <sproingie> actually i'm kind of impressed at the uptime of a network that has 3 year old leases
[11:34] <nikkia> i know one of our customers uses indefinite dhcp leases on their betting terminals, and the whole system would fall over if the leases were wiped
[11:34] <gdh> :)
[11:35] <sproingie> there's nothing wrong with permanent mac-to-ip mappings in dhcp
[11:35] <gdh> I tied the MAC addresses to specific IPs. diskless workstation so there's nowhere to store a static IP :)
[11:35] <nikkia> (it'd come back up with each terminal being rebooted, but thats not really the point, even though people that run the terminals reboot them daily)
[11:35] <sproingie> since you're then using it to assign nameserver addresses and so on
[11:35] <sproingie> or for dickless stations, right
[11:35] <nikkia> sproingie: wouldn't arp be a better solution ?
[11:35] <sproingie> it'd have to be rarp
[11:35] <sproingie> dhcp is supposed to replace rarp
[11:36] <sproingie> they should still "check in" once a day tho
[11:36] <nikkia> i use radvd anyway :P
[11:36] <sproingie> rezendevous is supposed to replace dhcp
[11:36] <gdh> bah new-fangled nonsense again :)
[11:36] <nikkia> sproingie: its all pointless with IPv6 and radvd
[11:36] <sproingie> ipv6 replaces all of it, true
[11:37] <sproingie> if you're lucky enough to be using ipv6
[11:37] <nikkia> i rarely even know the IPv4 address of my laptop these days
[11:37] <sproingie> here in the usa we may never switch
[11:37] <sproingie> why should we, we own like half of the ip number space
[11:37] <gdh> aye, with the US post office having a /8, Boeing has a /8 , etc. etc.
[11:37] <nikkia> sproingie: its easy enough to setup a tunnel, and while its not perfect, it gives the impression of IPv6 users which might be enough to form a critical mass and make companies notice
[11:37] <sproingie> ford has a /8
[11:37] <gdh> apple, and so on...
[11:37] <sproingie> apple has a /8 ... and now they're becoming an ISP
[11:38] <nikkia> sproingie: 'again'
[11:38] <sproingie> i always quipped apple could become an isp if they wanted to
[11:38] <gdh> they even boast about their own 17.x.x.x :/
[11:38] <nikkia> sproingie: apple have been an ISP several times in their history
[11:38] <nikkia> sproingie: that's where AOL came from :/
[11:38] <sproingie> nikkia: they've been an ASP, what with .mac.  since when have they been an isp outright?
[11:38] <sproingie> nikkia: you're misinformed.  AOL was Qlink
[11:38] <nikkia> sproingie: back in the 80s, and again in the early 90s
[11:38] <sproingie> qlink was commodore
[11:39] <sproingie> not owned by commodore, but serving commodore
[11:40] <sproingie> i commented on /. about that and mentioned ford in passing
[11:40] <sproingie> and someone replied and mentioned about how he used to work for ford's long distance company
[11:40] <sproingie> starnet
[11:40] <sproingie> i wonder if it's related to onstar
[11:43] <sproingie> oddly there's a gambling operation named starnet run by a guy named john ford
[11:43] <nikkia> sproingie: i can't remember the relationship between AOL and Apple, but there was one, it was something like apple were using the name 'america online' before qlink changed name, and qlink bought the name from them, or something weird like that
[11:44] <sproingie> hm, there's no record of it
[11:44] <sproingie> it was originally Control Video, online gaming for the atari 2600
[11:45] <sproingie> steve case changed 'em to cater to the c64 and called it quantumlink
[11:45] <sproingie> aha
[11:45] <sproingie> AOL was qlink's service for apple users
[11:45] <sproingie> QCS was the parent company, qlink was for c64's, aol was for macs
[11:46] <sproingie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_Online
[11:50] <gdh> Ah ha, today is not a good day to dist-upgrade from hoary to breezy :)
[11:50] <gdh> "The following packages will be REMOVED:" <list of basically everything starting with 'k'>
[11:51] <sproingie> today's episode of breezy street is NOT brought to you by the letter k
[11:51] <gdh> I'll... give that one a miss for a week :) tbh I thought we were being encouraged to upgrade now and help iron out the bugs...
[11:51] <gdh> well.. I found one! ;)
[11:53] <nikkia> my LFS install is acting a bit 'odd'
[11:56] <fred> hello, anyone running Vmware5.0 under Kubuntu?
[11:57] <nikkia> yes
[11:58] <TestMAD> that must suck
[11:58] <nikkia> testmad, ?
[11:58] <fred> yes?
[11:58] <TestMAD> vmware..
[11:58] <TestMAD> not that much if running linux.
[11:59] <TestMAD> but if running windows..it has to be bad
[11:59] <nikkia> testmad, vmware 5 is pretty good
[11:59] <nikkia> even does Direct3D now
[11:59] <TestMAD> i know..i have it..
[11:59] <TestMAD> but i have windows version
[12:00] <fred> vmware IS very good to get around Windows-depending office work
[12:00] <TestMAD> i was thinking of the l;inux version..but everyone says use cedega..or qemu and kqemu
[12:00] <TestMAD> it would be used for games as well,,not just my grfx apps
[12:00] <gdh> I've never had any luck with qemu yet.. tried win98/2k/xp ISOs :/
[12:00] <fred> nikkia, are you running Vmware5.0 under Kubuntu w/o any issues at all?
[12:01] <nikkia> fred, i wouldn't say 'without any issues', but without any major ones
[12:01] <gdh> I have VMWare 4.1 for Kubuntu, and it runs OK.
[12:01] <gdh> Interestingly, sometimes when I start it, it will just kill the current X session
[12:01] <gdh> and that's *annoying*.
[12:01] <fred> nikkia, okay... the thing is that it has worked completely fine for me under RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake and even under Ubuntu