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Keybuk | ok, how does one install mozilla extensions ?! | 12:03 |
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hub_ | I don't find Colony | 12:04 |
hub_ | am I blind ? | 12:04 |
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hub_ | found it | 12:06 |
hub_ | Amaranth: given the time, it won't be mailed before monday | 12:06 |
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Amaranth | hub_: i don't need it anymore, thanks anyway | 12:08 |
hub_ | Amaranth: okay. good | 12:09 |
Amaranth | i called someone, they'll have it to me on sunday | 12:09 |
Amaranth | i just hope i don't lose /home | 12:09 |
Amaranth | i don't have another copy of smeg 0.8 anywhere | 12:09 |
hub_ | :-/ | 12:09 |
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Amaranth | oh shit, i don't have another copy of my work on pymusique anywhere either | 12:10 |
Amaranth | jlje reminded me :/ | 12:10 |
xhaker | i was going to make room to install in another partition hoary server install | 12:12 |
xhaker | i'm starting to think i will b0rk my stuff | 12:13 |
xhaker | i did it once and Amaranth is not really helping | 12:14 |
xhaker | lol | 12:14 |
Amaranth | heh | 12:14 |
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Amaranth | if it works again | 12:14 |
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Gnobody | hey | 02:49 |
Gnobody | is X *still* broken? | 02:50 |
lamont-away | Gnobody: you have reminded me of one of my favorite answers | 02:52 |
lamont | "yes, signals are broken. But not that way." | 02:52 |
lamont | I think it generally applies to X as well. | 02:52 |
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Gnobody | damn | 02:52 |
lamont | as for whether or not X is sane again, I couldn't say. But that's a #ubuntu question | 02:52 |
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daniels | doko: nope | 04:01 |
daniels | errr | 04:02 |
daniels | infinity: libxt b-ds on libsm >= 1:6.0.4-2, and -3 is in the archive | 04:02 |
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daniels | infinity: right, I see what happened now. | 04:30 |
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CarlFK | hey daniels | 04:46 |
CarlFK | you do anything with preseed files? | 04:46 |
daniels | CarlFK: nope, sorry | 04:51 |
CarlFK | no prob | 04:56 |
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zwnj | where i can find a package building (from scratch) manual from? | 05:33 |
bddebian | zwnj: The Debian New Maintainers Guide | 05:33 |
zwnj | seems building debian packages is harder that rpm | 05:33 |
bddebian | Nah | 05:33 |
zwnj | bddebian: thanks :) | 05:33 |
bddebian | Anyone know what is up with debdiff all of the sudden??? | 05:34 |
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fabbione | mornign | 06:17 |
bddebian | Morning fabbione | 06:19 |
trulux | heya guys | 06:34 |
trulux | fabbione: morning | 06:35 |
bddebian | Hello trulux | 06:35 |
trulux | bddebian: hi :) | 06:38 |
trulux | anyone knows the time when Jane joins the channel? | 06:39 |
bddebian | Not me sorry | 06:39 |
Burgundavia | trulux, she is UTC or UTC+1 | 06:39 |
trulux | Burgundavia: many thanks, I just need to show some more stuff to pitti and her | 06:41 |
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davyd | daniels: not to sound like a naggy mc nag nag, but what is holding linux-restricted-modules back? | 07:30 |
fabbione | davyd: a few things.. | 07:31 |
fabbione | it will be around soon again | 07:31 |
fabbione | 2.6.12 prior the last upload was not exactly stable | 07:31 |
fabbione | and adding more instability due to binary driver was going to be only an extra mess for me to get stuff fixed | 07:32 |
davyd | so -4 is the go? | 07:33 |
fabbione | davyd: it did close a lot of bug... | 07:34 |
davyd | rock and roll | 07:34 |
davyd | does it look like the home stretch now? | 07:34 |
fabbione | i might have to break it again to get some ipw2x00 extra love, but i can do it outside the archive to test | 07:34 |
davyd | or is there a heck of a lot of work remaining? | 07:34 |
fabbione | it's half way | 07:35 |
fabbione | in theory there is a lot of packaging work | 07:35 |
fabbione | but the code seems to be pretty stable | 07:35 |
fabbione | and in the beginning i had to focus on that | 07:35 |
fabbione | (reason why l-r-m isn't around yet) | 07:35 |
fabbione | + we had slightly less time than usual to work on l-r-m due to C++ and X transitions all together | 07:36 |
fabbione | that clearly are higher priority | 07:36 |
fabbione | (if X doesn't work.. you can play pingpong with l-r-m ;)) | 07:36 |
daniels | yeah, it's just been full-on, and l-r-m hasn't been on my radar due to not being 'urgent holy shit needed last week' | 07:45 |
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davyd | I don't mind rebuilding the nvidia packages as required, I was mostly wondering if it was a time problem or a technical problem | 07:48 |
davyd | I get the impression it's been a time problem | 07:48 |
davyd | incidently, "libsexy" now has a spellchecking entry widget | 07:48 |
davyd | I wonder how that would look in X-Chat | 07:48 |
fabbione | davyd: it's both actually.. | 07:51 |
fabbione | because X is removing /usr/X11R6 | 07:51 |
fabbione | or anyway killing part of it | 07:51 |
fabbione | that reflects on nvidia and ATI too | 07:51 |
fabbione | the gcc transition made impossible to build them | 07:52 |
fabbione | + the time | 07:52 |
davyd | ok, I didn't notice that compiling nvidia-glx, but ok | 07:52 |
davyd | is it going to break with -43? | 07:52 |
fabbione | but given that main needs to be stabilized first to build l-r-m properly... | 07:52 |
fabbione | i dunno... | 07:52 |
fabbione | i didn't upgrade X for a while | 07:52 |
davyd | I guess I'll find out the hard way | 07:52 |
fabbione | (btw i do compile nvidia myself too...) | 07:52 |
fabbione | but to have a stable desktop to work on the kernel i had to stop upgrading X | 07:53 |
fabbione | so i dunno | 07:53 |
davyd | I picked the wrong day originally to install breezy on my new machine | 08:00 |
davyd | and it took until X -43 to get Xv working on my laptop | 08:01 |
daniels | well, to be fair, that bug was present in warty and hoary also | 08:01 |
davyd | yes | 08:01 |
davyd | but that's why I took to upgrading X | 08:02 |
daniels | lamont: ... which headers disappeared from dbus, exactly? | 08:03 |
lamont | daniels: <sys/signal.h> | 08:06 |
lamont | fd_set et al | 08:06 |
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lamont | pretty sure I called it dbus-signal.patch | 08:06 |
lamont | and -ubuntu6 had the arch spec on mono-mcs | 08:07 |
daniels | so you added some missing #includes | 08:08 |
lamont | I added one missing include | 08:14 |
lamont | and all was right with the world again | 08:14 |
lamont | clearly it included something that _used_to_ include sys/signal.h | 08:15 |
lamont | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/byDate/today.html | 08:20 |
lamont | enjoy the pain that is breezy-autotest, folks | 08:20 |
lamont | interesting, amd64 is kicking butt | 08:21 |
daniels | heh | 08:22 |
lamont | buildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.all.amd64:Total 159 package(s) in state Installed. | 08:24 |
lamont | buildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.all.i386:Total 97 package(s) in state Installed. | 08:24 |
lamont | buildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.all.ia64:Total 53 package(s) in state Installed. | 08:24 |
lamont | buildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.all.powerpc:Total 96 package(s) in state Installed. | 08:24 |
lamont | hrm... maybe that was semi-spewage | 08:24 |
fabbione | does the latest kdelibs fix the uninstallable problem? | 08:25 |
fabbione | or do we need to do some kind of magic? | 08:25 |
lamont | still no clue... dbus was blocking kdelibs for me | 08:25 |
lamont | but that's built now. cool | 08:25 |
fabbione | it's the other way around for me.. | 08:26 |
fabbione | dbus can't build because of kdelibs.. | 08:26 |
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daniels | fabbione: yeah, you need to break the loop there | 08:26 |
fabbione | daniels: how? | 08:26 |
bob2 | autotest = randomly rebuild already built source packages? | 08:26 |
fabbione | daniels: or better.. in what order? | 08:26 |
lamont | bob2: use the debs from breezy, and a snapshot of the source from same. build, and then throw away (well, notreally, but effectively) the resulting debs | 08:27 |
bob2 | ah, neat | 08:27 |
daniels | fabbione: i assume disable dbus support in kdelibs, build dbus off that, and rebuild kdelibs off dbus | 08:27 |
daniels | that's if you're bootstrapping | 08:27 |
lamont | daniels: or find an older, installable kdelibs | 08:27 |
daniels | right | 08:27 |
fabbione | hmmmm | 08:27 |
fabbione | ok | 08:27 |
fabbione | giving the morgue is broken, it's going to be difficult | 08:28 |
lamont | my issue right now is that it still isn't installable, since libopenexr-dev isn't available from breezy | 08:28 |
lamont | daniels: anything wrong with this list for an xorg-split kind of world?? autotools-dev cdbs debhelper libfltk1.1-dev xlibmesa-gl-dev xlibmesa-glu-dev | 08:29 |
daniels | lamont: xlibmesa-gl-dev | libgl-dev, libglu1-xorg-dev | libglu-dev | 08:30 |
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lamont | ok | 08:31 |
lamont | that's openexr, fwiw | 08:31 |
daniels | must, must provide alternatives | 08:31 |
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fabbione | night lamont | 08:32 |
daniels | night dude | 08:33 |
lamont | daniels: and feel free to look at all the missing X* symbols in imlib2 if you're really looking for something to distract you from xorg proper. :) | 08:34 |
daniels | ot | 08:35 |
daniels | er | 08:35 |
daniels | it's saturday | 08:35 |
daniels | lamont: example build log though? | 08:36 |
fabbione | 08:57 | |
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herve | hello | 10:53 |
herve | who can I see for bugzilla rights? | 10:54 |
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | If you have unexpectedly lost editbugs privileges, talk to mdz/ogra/kiko | Colony CD 2 released | yes, X is broken. | deadline for outstanding merges is 2005-07-21 | ||
=== Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by Kamion at Wed Jul 20 15:09:16 2005 | ||
=== #ubuntu-devel [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup | ||
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Mithrandir | is the morgue broken? | 02:29 |
fabbione | Mithrandir: yes. | 02:30 |
fabbione | i told elmo already | 02:30 |
highvoltage | the morgue? | 02:31 |
fabbione | Mithrandir: are you going to be around monday? | 02:31 |
Nafallo | highvoltage: morgue.ubuntu.com | 02:31 |
Mithrandir | fabbione: sure | 02:32 |
fabbione | Mithrandir: we need to talk about Xen, but not now. i am moving al the stuff around the office today and reconfiguring tomorrow | 02:33 |
fabbione | Mithrandir: i am on a 80x24 12" monitor atm :) | 02:33 |
fabbione | and can't really do much | 02:33 |
Mithrandir | fabbione: heh, ok. | 02:33 |
fabbione | ok.. i am offline again.. time to switch my ws to 3x21" :) | 02:34 |
fabbione | i wonder what resolution can handle the Sun monitor... | 02:34 |
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siretart | I'd like to have piuparts from unstable included in ubuntu. it seems useful for doing qa of packages. who do I need to ask? | 02:37 |
siretart | in universe, that is | 02:37 |
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ogra | Mithrandir, there obviously is no limit on 65000 files in a ext3 directory ;) | 02:38 |
ogra | Mithrandir, (as you told me) | 02:38 |
ogra | see http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/ | 02:38 |
tseng | siretart: email elmo to sync it | 02:41 |
tseng | it would be nice if pbuilder could do the same things | 02:41 |
tseng | or piuparts use the pbuilder chroot | 02:41 |
bob2 | (sbuild) | 02:41 |
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Mithrandir | heh: | 02:42 |
Mithrandir | find: WARNING: Hard link count is wrong for .: this may be a bug in your filesystem driver. Automatically turning on find's -noleaf option. Earlier results may have failed to include directories that should have been searched. | 02:42 |
seb128 | hi | 02:42 |
seb128 | daniels: around? | 02:42 |
siretart | tseng: piuparts can use the base.tgz of pbuilder | 02:43 |
Mithrandir | ogra: sorry, 32k directories. :-) | 02:43 |
tseng | siretart: rock. | 02:43 |
Mithrandir | ogra: try seq 40000 | xargs mkdir | 02:43 |
bob2 | seb128: ELATEONASATURDAYNIGHT | 02:44 |
bob2 | hah, nice that find can work around some disk corruption | 02:44 |
seb128 | bob2: just trying to make sure to not conflict with his uploads before upload a xft to drop XOPEN_SOURCE from here | 02:44 |
seb128 | bob2: if he's away that's fine :) | 02:44 |
ogra | Mithrandir, seriously i wont try it on *this* PII 233 ;) | 02:45 |
bob2 | ah :) | 02:45 |
Mithrandir | ogra: get a real computer. ;-) | 02:45 |
ogra | Mithrandir, thats a *server* *g* | 02:45 |
ogra | Mithrandir, but once i mived all this crap to the DC i'll upgrade the machine ;) | 02:46 |
ogra | moved even | 02:46 |
Mithrandir | ogra: :-) | 02:46 |
ogra | opteron ! | 02:46 |
thom | tseng: dude, beagle appears to ftbfs here... | 02:47 |
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Amaranth | thom: libgmime-cil is out of sync with the thing it's binding | 02:49 |
tseng | yes | 02:49 |
tseng | gmime 2.1 is a hard dep for 0.12 | 02:50 |
tseng | 0.12 is not uploaded because it does nothing but explode here | 02:50 |
tseng | stay tuned | 02:50 |
tseng | thom: want to look at blam/mozilla bug? | 02:51 |
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thom | tseng: not really :-) | 02:51 |
tseng | meh | 02:52 |
tseng | sounds like we are at a stand-off | 02:52 |
Amaranth | If my HD worked I'd look at blam :) | 02:53 |
Amaranth | If grub spits out Error 17 when it's supposed to load the menu of choices it can't read /boot, right? | 02:53 |
tseng | can anyone tell me why mono isnt building | 02:55 |
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slomo | fabbione: will the kernel be built with gcc 3.4 until breezy release? | 02:57 |
fabbione | slomo: probably | 02:58 |
slomo | fabbione: ok, thanks | 02:59 |
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bddebian | Morning | 03:25 |
highvoltage | morning, bddebian | 03:32 |
highvoltage | (or good afternoon, from my timezone) | 03:32 |
bddebian | Heya highvoltage | 03:37 |
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highvoltage | bddebian: do you think canonical/ubuntu will support the hurd kernel and release a ubuntu gnu/hurd, once it hits v1.0? | 04:02 |
thom | i doubt canonical will, but ubuntu might if there's community interest | 04:02 |
infinity | seb128 : Looks like XOPEN_SOURCE still hasn't been completely purged from the X dependency chain, so you should probably stop uploading things to "fix" it... | 04:02 |
seb128 | infinity: hum? what package has been b0rked? | 04:03 |
HrdwrBoB | not sure there will be interest though | 04:03 |
seb128 | infinity: xft? | 04:03 |
infinity | seb128 : pango still has it in its .pc file. | 04:03 |
seb128 | infinity: yeah, due to xft | 04:03 |
seb128 | infinity: that's why I've uploaded xft ... should be fine now | 04:03 |
seb128 | then I can upload gtk | 04:04 |
seb128 | then I can work :p | 04:04 |
infinity | seb128 : Ahh. Hrm. Kay. Of course, several X libs here still show it as well (sm, xmu, xt, xtrap) | 04:04 |
seb128 | infinity: pango don't use those | 04:04 |
infinity | Heh. Kay. :) | 04:04 |
bddebian | highvoltage: I doubt it but I am working on creating an Ubutnu Hurd derivative | 04:04 |
infinity | So, xft, pango, gtk, gdk, PROFIT? | 04:04 |
highvoltage | bddebian: ah, that will be nice (at least for testing) | 04:05 |
seb128 | infinity: that's the plan :) | 04:05 |
infinity | And I can sort out the rest of the X libs that still look goofy later. | 04:05 |
azeem | bddebian: cool, send me the gcc-4.0 fixes if you do so, then :) | 04:05 |
infinity | seb128 : Once you've done those uploads, are we ready for me to do a mass give-back to the buildds again, and see what blows up? | 04:05 |
seb128 | infinity: do you know how is xorg/xkb nowadays? | 04:05 |
seb128 | infinity: I still have -33 here | 04:05 |
bddebian | Hey any chance one of you "main" types can sync devscripts from Debian unstable? It's broken in breezy atm | 04:05 |
seb128 | infinity: yeah | 04:06 |
infinity | seb128 : Not sure, I run X in hoary still, my breezy stuff is all chrooted. Probably should switch this month, though. | 04:06 |
infinity | bddebian : Yeah, I was goign to request that sync once the Debian uploads settled down a bit (there've been a few in a row) | 04:06 |
tseng | infinity: could you perhaps tell me why mono isnt building? | 04:06 |
infinity | bddebian : I assume it's the breakage of "debdiff" you want fixed (same as me)? | 04:06 |
bddebian | infinity: Ah, OK, thx | 04:06 |
bddebian | infinity: Yes, debdiff :-) | 04:07 |
tseng | infinity: or, seeming hasnt entered buildd more specifically | 04:07 |
infinity | tseng : Specific package(s)? | 04:07 |
tseng | infinity: mono 1.1.8.2 | 04:07 |
infinity | tseng : dep-wait on mono-classlib-1.0... I assume this is incorrect? :) | 04:08 |
tseng | infinity: yes, that must be from my previous upload | 04:08 |
tseng | infinity: we managed to get it bootstraping internally | 04:08 |
infinity | tseng : Freed up, shold build shortly. | 04:09 |
infinity | should, too. | 04:10 |
tseng | infinity: cheers | 04:10 |
tseng | mdke: you should be able to access my server on port 22 now | 04:16 |
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infinity | tseng : Built. | 04:30 |
mdke | tseng, ah cool, i was just uploading now :D | 04:31 |
mdke | tseng, btw we have a docteam linode set up now so as soon as we have a subdomain pointing at it, i'll let you know and you can close our account on your server | 04:31 |
tseng | mdke: ok, rock on | 04:32 |
tseng | infinity: thanks dude | 04:32 |
tseng | wth | 04:33 |
Nafallo | http://www.magicalforest.se/tmp/libxaw_7.0.2-3.diff | 04:33 |
tseng | infinity: if you still have a few moments, could you look at that buildlog | 04:34 |
tseng | infinity: apt cache troubles | 04:34 |
Nafallo | builds cleanly on amd64 and should fix xkbutils ftbfs | 04:35 |
Nafallo | :-) | 04:35 |
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herve | Nafallo, my hero! | 04:36 |
hunger | Is xkb broken again? | 04:36 |
bob2 | yup | 04:36 |
hunger | bob2 What is the workaround this time? | 04:36 |
bob2 | I dunno if there is one | 04:37 |
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Nafallo | hunger: to dep-wait on xkb-utils :-) | 04:37 |
bob2 | my work around was "not upgrade until breezy went a week without being fucked" | 04:37 |
hunger | breezy is basically unusable most of the time:-( | 04:37 |
Nafallo | bob2: what's the fun in that? ;-) | 04:38 |
tseng | funny that ive been using it the entire time | 04:38 |
hunger | bob2: Can't do that... I need the new kernel. | 04:38 |
fabbione | is there some known problem with udev? | 04:38 |
bob2 | tseng: proof that I'm lazier than you | 04:39 |
fabbione | bob2: ^^ | 04:39 |
hunger | bob2: Actually rebuilding the kernel a couple of times would have saved lots of time. | 04:39 |
fabbione | it seems that it doesn't start here at all.. | 04:39 |
hunger | fabbione: Yeap. It does not create /dev/input/mice for me anymore. | 04:39 |
fabbione | hunger: exactly... | 04:39 |
fabbione | and /dev/input/mice | 04:39 |
hunger | fabbione: run udevstart manually and it will be there. | 04:39 |
herve | ha, that's why my usb mouse stopped to work some times | 04:40 |
herve | I unplugged and replugged it and it was ok | 04:40 |
fabbione | hmm | 04:40 |
fabbione | no | 04:40 |
fabbione | no luck | 04:40 |
herve | or maybe that was a X issue | 04:41 |
hunger | fabbione: I talked to someone here about that two weeks ago... said it worked for him and that I should debug myself. | 04:41 |
Nafallo | dang. does not fix xkbutils *goes back to hack on it*. | 04:42 |
fabbione | it's definetely a udev problem | 04:42 |
hunger | Any change of getting a xkb fixed soonish? And a "startx" would be nice to have at some point, too;-) | 04:43 |
bob2 | X will be fixed in the next few days, hopefully | 04:43 |
hunger | fabbione: Yeap, that was what we found out 2 weeks ago, too:-) | 04:43 |
Nafallo | hunger: installed xinit? | 04:43 |
fabbione | mousedev is not modprobed.. so it could either be udev or hotplug | 04:44 |
fabbione | if i modprobe that manually.. everything works | 04:44 |
hunger | Nafallo: There is no xinit... startx used to be part of xbase-clients, but that is basically empty nowadays. | 04:44 |
Nafallo | hmm, xinit has to be NEWed ;-) | 04:45 |
Nafallo | hunger: yea, daniels is spliting it. | 04:45 |
ogra | hunger, xbase-clients is split | 04:45 |
hunger | fabbione: mousedev is loaded here... I do have /dev/input/mouse*, but no /dev/input/mice. | 04:45 |
ogra | hunger, it will disappear completely or get converted to as metapackage eventually | 04:45 |
ogra | s/as/a | 04:46 |
hunger | ogra: Thanks for the info! | 04:46 |
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infinity | tseng : Which build log? | 05:17 |
ogra | hmm, #12888 is a very interesting big | 05:22 |
ogra | bug | 05:22 |
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lamont | buildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.all.amd64:Total 729 package(s) in state Building. | 05:24 |
lamont | buildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.all.amd64:Total 138 package(s) in state Dep-Wait. | 05:24 |
lamont | buildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.all.amd64:Total 1 package(s) in state Failed. | 05:24 |
lamont | buildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.all.amd64:Total 618 package(s) in state Installed. | 05:24 |
lamont | buildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.all.amd64:Total 13 package(s) in state Uploaded. | 05:24 |
lamont | buildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.all.amd64:Total 1499 package(s) | 05:24 |
lamont | oops. | 05:24 |
lamont | anyway, it's < 50% of main that has actual build failures on amd64... | 05:24 |
tseng | infinity: it worked itself out | 05:25 |
lamont | and < 10% that are missing build-depends | 05:25 |
ogra | sounds good.. | 05:25 |
ogra | how is this compared to the other arches ? | 05:25 |
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Nafallo | ogra: care for a couple of uploads to main? ;-) | 05:32 |
ogra | Nafallo, not now... i'm currently busy with other stuff... can you send me a list ? | 05:33 |
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{Seb} | how is Xorg looking in Breezy? | 05:34 |
{Seb} | Broken? | 05:34 |
hunger | sebest: yes. | 05:34 |
Nafallo | ogra: sure, either that or I nag Tollef after dinner :-). | 05:34 |
ogra | Nafallo, youre already there ? | 05:35 |
Nafallo | I shall probably test the packages first :-) | 05:35 |
ogra | Nafallo, great idea ;) | 05:35 |
Nafallo | ogra: yepp, since yesterday evening :-) | 05:35 |
ogra | nice :) | 05:35 |
Nafallo | he's hacking dinner, while I'm hacking Xorg ;-) | 05:36 |
{Seb} | Nafallo: can you tell me if there are any outstanding issues with Xorg? | 05:36 |
HiddenWolf | I'd rather do dinner, really | 05:36 |
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Nafallo | Seb: xkb is broken. | 05:37 |
Nafallo | Seb: hopefully not long though ;-) | 05:37 |
{Seb} | when i'm upgrading - what do i need to be careful of then? | 05:37 |
{Seb} | upgrading from Colony 2 install i mean | 05:37 |
Nafallo | xorg | 05:38 |
{Seb} | i guessed that :-) | 05:38 |
{Seb} | i mean which packages are broken? | 05:38 |
HiddenWolf | seb128, he said, xkb | 05:39 |
{Seb} | Nafallo: how do you mean xkb is broken? | 05:39 |
Nafallo | Seb: keyboard doesn't work? | 05:40 |
HiddenWolf | seb128, I'd imagine it doesn't work without user-side hacking | 05:40 |
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{Seb} | dang | 05:40 |
{Seb} | Nafallo: will Xorg -44 sort it> | 05:41 |
{Seb} | *it? | 05:41 |
davyd | /set completion_amount 0 | 05:41 |
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Nafallo | yay! keyboard works again :-) | 05:41 |
Nafallo | Seb: dunno, ask daniels :-) | 05:41 |
Nafallo | daniels /away socializing | 05:42 |
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davyd | HiddenWolf: assuming you're talking about broken X-chat completion, that was for you | 05:42 |
davyd | the option is persistant, and will switch back to the old "readline" style completion | 05:42 |
Nafallo | hmm, gone :-) | 05:42 |
HiddenWolf | davyd, yeah, xchat seems to autocomplete sometimes without my pressing <tab> | 05:42 |
hunger | Nafallo: What do I need to do to get it working here, too? | 05:42 |
davyd | HiddenWolf: you may have an autocompletion character set | 05:42 |
HiddenWolf | davyd, in english that means? | 05:43 |
davyd | which allows you to type dav: and it expands to davyd: | 05:43 |
Nafallo | hunger: http://www.magicalforest.se/tmp/libxaw_7.0.2-3.diff | 05:43 |
Nafallo | hunger: http://www.magicalforest.se/tmp/xkbutils_7.0-3.diff | 05:43 |
Nafallo | now, I'm really gone :-) | 05:43 |
davyd | that'd be the second most annoying feature, right after the one where tab matches the first option, rather then matching as much as possible | 05:43 |
HiddenWolf | davyd, how do I kill this? I'd rather not have my pc think for itself | 05:43 |
davyd | HiddenWolf: the completion character is in the preferences | 05:44 |
HiddenWolf | annoying feature -> bug | 05:44 |
davyd | for the dumb tab completion you'll need to give the command I gave originally | 05:44 |
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HiddenWolf | Nah, I like tab completion, it just has to do it when I want to, not at random | 05:45 |
davyd | it doesn't turn off tab completion | 05:46 |
davyd | it just goes to the old gnu-readline style | 05:46 |
davyd | like it used to be | 05:46 |
davyd | like it is in zsh | 05:47 |
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HiddenWolf | nafallo, how soon do you think it'll be before xorg is unbroken? | 05:52 |
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infinity | HiddenWolf : A week would be a good estimate for X to be mostly happy for most users. | 06:00 |
robertj_ | after X is happy, is there going to be another colony release/ | 06:02 |
infinity | You'd have to ask Kamion, who appears to be having himself a weekend away from IRC. Something I should also do. | 06:03 |
HiddenWolf | infinity: thank you. I really need to upgrade to breezy, but I don't feel like messing a lot. :( | 06:07 |
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | If you have unexpectedly lost editbugs privileges, talk to mdz/ogra/kiko | Colony CD 2 released | yes, X is broken. | deadline for outstanding merges is 2005-07-21 | ||
=== Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by Kamion at Wed Jul 20 15:09:16 2005 | ||
(CarlFK/#ubuntu-devel) if i hit Scroll lock just right, I can get it to stop with: tail /var/log/syslog - no such file | 07:02 | |
CarlFK | it seems like the install is still progressing, but the console is just being flooded with that error so I can't see the status of the install | 07:14 |
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bytee_ | hi ubuntites! casper does liveCDs, has anyone thought of, or is anyone working on making it so that casper does USB thumb drive installs ? | 07:17 |
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thesaltydog | does anybody know if there is a patch available to let gnome-app-install working on Hoary? | 07:43 |
lamont | dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find path for libhal.so.1 | 07:50 |
lamont | bad hal | 07:50 |
fabbione | hey lamont | 07:54 |
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fabbione | lamont: there was no need to bootstrap dbus <-> kdelibs | 07:54 |
fabbione | kdelib first, than dbus did it | 07:54 |
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lamont | fabbione: that's because you had a dbus to install | 07:54 |
fabbione | hmm yes, but it was a very old version | 07:54 |
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lamont | well, maybe in hoary | 07:55 |
fabbione | meh | 07:55 |
lamont | and what I did was install kdelibs4-dev (with hoary allowed), and then built dbus | 07:55 |
fabbione | yeah gotcha | 07:55 |
fabbione | food is ready | 07:56 |
fabbione | later | 07:56 |
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thesaltydog | does anybody know if there is a patch available to let gnome-app-install working on Hoary? | 08:05 |
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scorpix | is there any news about Colony 3? | 08:07 |
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hunger | scorpix: From what I understand the next colony will be released once xorg gets somewhat more stable. | 08:11 |
hunger | scorpix: Someone mentioned something about it being ready in a week or so... | 08:12 |
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carl | has anyone tried todays install? mine errors near the beginnig | 08:36 |
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mdz | seb128: are we going to see xchat-gnome for breezy? | 08:52 |
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{Seb} | mdz: what advantages does xchat-gnome have over plain xchat? | 08:57 |
chrissturm | seb: xchat-gnome is a new frontend for the popular X-Chat IRC client targeted towards the GNOME platform. Our eventual goals include full desktop integration and HIG compliance. | 09:05 |
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{Seb} | great | 09:15 |
{Seb} | hope it gets into Breezy | 09:15 |
chrissturm | doesnt build for me :( | 09:16 |
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Amaranth | anyone know of a way i can fsck my linux HD from windows? | 09:25 |
Amaranth | i know this isn't a -devel question | 09:25 |
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carl | Amaranth, #ubunto | 09:28 |
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hunger | Amaranth: Knoppix springs to my mind there... | 09:33 |
Amaranth | No CDs. | 09:33 |
zyga | Amaranth: ntfs or fat? | 09:34 |
Amaranth | hmm, i think fat32 | 09:34 |
zyga | Amaranth: belay thay---- I've got reading problems | 09:34 |
carl | ext2 (/boot part | 09:34 |
carl | huh? | 09:34 |
Amaranth | i'm on windows | 09:34 |
Amaranth | i need to read linux fs | 09:34 |
Amaranth | well, fsck it | 09:34 |
zyga | Amaranth: that's fscking difficult | 09:34 |
Amaranth | no shit | 09:34 |
carl | Amaranth, i think you should describe the symptoms | 09:34 |
Amaranth | error 17 on grub load | 09:35 |
Amaranth | HD overheated, humorously enough, during a fsck | 09:35 |
chrissturm | Amaranth, i repaired my hd with spinrite | 09:35 |
chrissturm | but its commercial | 09:36 |
Amaranth | the other drive was got even hotter and is fine now so i'm hoping its just a silly error like a corrupt superblock | 09:36 |
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zyga | Amaranth: 1) cool your drive with a good fan 2) put the drive in a linux box 3) don't mess with it on windows, it's difficult already | 09:37 |
Amaranth | chrissturm: needs a CD and/or floppy anyway | 09:37 |
Amaranth | zyga: 1) i seperated the drives, won't be a problem anymore 2) not possible, this is the only box 3) it's either that or stay on windows | 09:37 |
carl | Amaranth, yeah - if you really want to fix it, don't mess around with a win solution - figue out how to get some sort of Linux | 09:37 |
Amaranth | i will hopefully have a hoary CD late tomorrow night but i really need to get back to work on smeg | 09:38 |
zyga | Amaranth: it's either that or go to a internet caffe and convince the owner to allow you to attach your drive and boot from *nix live cd | 09:38 |
Amaranth | I don't have any CDs... | 09:38 |
zyga | Amaranth: any friends that can help you? | 09:38 |
Amaranth | yeah, late tomorrow night | 09:39 |
chrissturm | Amaranth, can you boot over pxe? | 09:39 |
carl | Amaranth, what do you use for dhcp? | 09:39 |
Amaranth | 34 hours from now | 09:39 |
Amaranth | my cable modem | 09:39 |
carl | rats. no pxe stuf then | 09:39 |
Amaranth | it's admin interface has one thing on it: a reset button | 09:39 |
zyga | Amaranth: hmm | 09:40 |
zyga | Amaranth: what about colinux? | 09:40 |
zyga | Amaranth: co-something-linux - it boots form windows and uses disk image as it's / fs | 09:40 |
Amaranth | will colinux be able to see the drive if windows itself can't? | 09:40 |
zyga | Amaranth: maybe it could fsck your partition | 09:40 |
zyga | Amaranth: I'm not sure - it has a tiny gentoo image available - it's worth checking | 09:41 |
zyga | Amaranth: it does run some windows driver stuff so it *might* | 09:41 |
zyga | Amaranth: alhough you'd need admin privilidge on your box | 09:41 |
Amaranth | i have that :P | 09:42 |
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Mez | erm | 09:44 |
Mez | keybuk/elmo/lamont ping | 09:44 |
sladen | Mez: you could always just ask the question | 09:45 |
Mez | Preconfiguring packages ... | 09:45 |
Mez | dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success | 09:45 |
Mez | it b0rked cause of those test packages | 09:45 |
Mez | :D | 09:45 |
Mez | from backports | 09:45 |
Mez | and /me slaps sladen round a bit | 09:46 |
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Mez | lamont, you can poke backports to start right? | 09:47 |
seb128 | mdz: I've not really played with it, but yeah, would be nice to get. No objection to package it for universe now with the UVF? | 09:47 |
Mez | it doesnt neccesarily need to be elmo | 09:47 |
mdz | seb128: no objection, no | 09:47 |
lamont | Mez: I can upload source, I can make buildd's build, but I can't muck with the archive | 09:49 |
Mez | fair enough | 09:49 |
Mez | buggery | 09:49 |
Mez | dpkg = b0rked | 09:49 |
mdz | Mez: ? | 09:52 |
Mez | sorry - my dpkg = b0rked | 09:52 |
Mez | (as in I cant install anything | 09:53 |
mdz | then I recommend installing one of the working versions available in the archive | 09:53 |
Mez | mdz, that's the problem I can't - i need dpkg to install it | 09:53 |
fabbione | Mez: use a livecd to boot and use chroot | 09:53 |
mdz | Mez: unpack the .deb with dpkg -x and use the dpkg binary contained therein | 09:54 |
fabbione | hi mdz | 09:54 |
Mez | ah, good idea | 09:54 |
fabbione | mdz: how is going today? | 09:54 |
lamont | fabbione: your way is so new-school. :-) | 09:54 |
mdz | fabbione: much like yesterday | 09:54 |
mdz | only I got a good night's sleep | 09:54 |
fabbione | lamont: ain't my fault if you are over 40 | 09:54 |
mdz | which was nice | 09:54 |
fabbione | mdz: sounds good | 09:54 |
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Mez | mez@apathy:~/dpkg$ dpkg -x * | 09:55 |
Mez | dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success | 09:55 |
Mez | looks like I'm gonna have to do it manually | 09:55 |
fabbione | Mez: dpkg -x dpkg-balbal . | 09:56 |
fabbione | it will unpack the dpkg in there... | 09:56 |
fabbione | * is not an option | 09:56 |
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Mez | I'm getting an error with the extracted dpkg too | 09:57 |
mdz | Mez: edit /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg and comment out the 'log' line | 09:57 |
mdz | it sounds like you ended up with a dpkg.cfg written for a newer version of dpkg | 09:58 |
Mez | most likely, was downgrading it | 09:58 |
mdz | don't do that | 09:58 |
mdz | downgrades in general are untested and unsupported; not something to try with an essential package | 09:58 |
Mez | mdz, I had an untested version from backports :D | 09:58 |
Mez | but hey | 09:58 |
Mez | that seems to have fixed it | 09:59 |
ogra | Mez, any reason why you backport dpkg ? | 09:59 |
Mez | thanks for your help | 09:59 |
Mez | ogra - it was lamont's "acid test" | 09:59 |
ogra | wohoo... acid test... | 10:00 |
Mez | I had the "official" backports repository in my apt list :D | 10:00 |
Mez | lol | 10:00 |
Mez | and managed to upgrade to that | 10:00 |
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Mez | once it was purged, I still had it and wanted to know i had a safe version, so tried to downgrade :P | 10:00 |
lamont | Mez: not my acid test - I just build stuff | 10:00 |
zyga | Mez: could you elaborate on that acid test :> ? | 10:00 |
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Mez | well, someone used dpkg as the "test" backported package | 10:00 |
lamont | zyga: it's good to build some package in a suite before declaring it ready for prime time | 10:01 |
ogra | Mez, you should create a chroot for your package tests to not break your system every time | 10:01 |
lamont | some days it's dpkg, other days it's ed | 10:01 |
ogra | lamont, dont forget the kernel :) | 10:01 |
Mez | ogra - I do have a chroot.... | 10:01 |
Mez | but I had the "official" repository added, and in there was a backport of dpkg (now re-reading the email, it was elmo who used that as the test, so apoliogies lamont) | 10:02 |
mdz | lamont: what's difficult to understand about -backports? | 10:03 |
mdz | lamont: elmo would have used ed, but it was the same version in hoary and breezy ;-) | 10:03 |
Mez | lol | 10:03 |
mdz | the next logical candidate was a core piece of package management infrastructure, of course | 10:03 |
Mez | anyway, i fixed that now :D | 10:04 |
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Mez | mdz, is it only elmo who can start packages being backported? | 10:06 |
mdz | Mez: yes, please be patient, as he has weekends off | 10:06 |
Masoud | Hi | 10:06 |
Mez | mdz, I wasn't moaning, was just asking :d | 10:06 |
mdz | it will be more automated in the future, but for now this is the most effective way | 10:06 |
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pitti | Hi | 10:08 |
seb128 | hey pitti | 10:08 |
seb128 | pitti: what do you do here on a saturday night? :) | 10:08 |
pitti | seb128: we were hiking and on the fair all the day, so my gf fell asleep 1 hour ago :-) | 10:09 |
seb128 | ah ah | 10:09 |
pitti | so I wanted to do some postgresql hacking | 10:09 |
pitti | (I can't see Firefox today) | 10:09 |
pitti | seb128: and you? | 10:10 |
zyga | hey pitti | 10:10 |
zyga | pitti: what's up with firefox? | 10:10 |
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pitti | zyga: YOU SAID THE WORD!!! | 10:11 |
pitti | ogra: oh, did he solve it? :-) | 10:11 |
ogra | lol | 10:11 |
seb128 | pitti: just coming back from dinner and having a look on my mail and this XOPEN_SOURCE issue | 10:11 |
fabbione | WOW | 10:11 |
fabbione | i still had receipts from Oxford's meeting in my wallet! | 10:12 |
zyga | pitti: relax it's not like 10^5 users are complainig or anything | 10:12 |
pitti | oh, me too :-) some taxi bills | 10:12 |
fabbione | no wonder it was so heavy | 10:12 |
pitti | zyga: I'll look into the 1.0.6 patches today, but after 60 hours of ffox hacking last week I need a break | 10:12 |
pitti | s/today/at monday/ of course | 10:12 |
lamont | pitti: it just _feels_ like monday, eh? | 10:13 |
zyga | pitti: I'm done working on $$$ apps today, I could help you review those patches tommorow (not on monday) | 10:13 |
herve | hey, my firefox works like a charm | 10:16 |
pitti | mine too :-) | 10:16 |
Mez | backported firefox = uber too | 10:16 |
pitti | but nice that there is at least one other person it works for | 10:17 |
pitti | well, it does run very well without those damn extensions | 10:17 |
Mez | pitti, which extensions? | 10:17 |
ogra | bah, extensions | 10:17 |
pitti | Mez: well, most | 10:17 |
pitti | Mez: I use AdBlock, that works fine | 10:17 |
zyga | pitti: /topic #ubuntu extensions are bad, don't use them, simplicity is bliss ;) | 10:17 |
zyga | pitti: but really I'd like to help | 10:18 |
seb128 | bah | 10:18 |
herve | hu? I have a dozen extensions | 10:18 |
Mez | google toolbar works fine too (well in backported version) | 10:18 |
seb128 | people you should all use epiphany | 10:18 |
seb128 | it works fine | 10:18 |
ogra | herve, and up to date hoary ? | 10:18 |
pitti | zyga: well, I wrote to ubuntu-security-announce, u-devel, and u-users, explaining the issue and workarounds | 10:18 |
herve | ogra, s/hoary/breezy | 10:18 |
zyga | pitti: checking | 10:18 |
ogra | herve, ahh | 10:18 |
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pitti | zyga: I extracted the ffo 1.0.5 -> 1.0.6 changes, I will port them at Monday (half of the patch doesn't apply) | 10:18 |
Mez | pitti: are these problems likely to affect the backport? | 10:19 |
Mez | and if so, should I pull the backport | 10:19 |
pitti | Mez: yes, one of the patches apparently broke the API | 10:20 |
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Mez | pitti: does that apply to hoary though? seeing as it has a different API? | 10:20 |
pitti | Mez: no, actually all the 1.0.x versions should have the same api | 10:21 |
ogra | pitti, ha ha ha | 10:21 |
Mez | grr | 10:21 |
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Mez | nopt API | 10:21 |
pitti | yes, right, sorry | 10:22 |
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Mez | pulls | 10:22 |
pitti | yeah, typos :-) | 10:22 |
Mez | so, pull it or not? | 10:22 |
pitti | Mez: if you want to... | 10:23 |
zyga | pitti: hmm did you post that mail as someone else? i can't find it i u-d | 10:23 |
Mez | pitti: if the problems are gonna ffect hoary too... then I should | 10:24 |
Mez | I was about to ask the same thing zyga | 10:24 |
ogra | zyga, he crossposted to -users.... if your filters are as silly as mine, you'll find it there | 10:24 |
pitti | zyga: no, as Martin Pitt <martin.pitt@canonical.com> | 10:24 |
Mez | ah | 10:25 |
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zyga | it seems that whatever makes u-d archives is equally silly or I'm blind because it's not there | 10:27 |
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zyga | just a side note, firefox really kills the CPU when it's trying to /search for something that does not exist, evey keystroke laggs begind gui | 10:29 |
Mez | pulled from backports | 10:29 |
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Mez | I couldnt find it in the archive either | 10:29 |
{Seb} | after upgrading to the latest Xorg, i get an Xsession box when i login with nothing it in | 10:30 |
{Seb} | is this a known bug? | 10:30 |
Treenaks | yes | 10:30 |
Treenaks | or, you could look on bugzilla.ubuntu.com :) | 10:31 |
{Seb} | any way to remove it? | 10:31 |
zyga | pitti: is it possible to keep the same API as 1.0.2 had? | 10:31 |
zyga | pitti: api/abi whatever's changed? | 10:31 |
pitti | zyga: no, one vulnerability really was an API flaw, so it needed to be changed | 10:31 |
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zyga | pitti: what about api wrapper? I'm not familiar with that flaw so I'm shooting blanks here? | 10:32 |
zyga | pitti: that's c++ code change, right? | 10:32 |
pitti | zyga: yes | 10:33 |
ogra | {Seb}, try to explicitly select a gnome session from gdm | 10:34 |
zyga | pitti: did you extract the changes from ff repository or are they availiable somewhere? | 10:35 |
pitti | zyga: I took the patches from bugzilla, extracted them from cvs, compared them to each other, and then backported | 10:36 |
pitti | zyga: the mozilla advisories point to bug numbers | 10:36 |
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{Seb} | do you know which bug it is? | 10:38 |
{Seb} | there are so many bugs for Xorg (129 actually) | 10:38 |
seb128 | try #ubuntu maybe? | 10:40 |
ogra | {Seb}, no idea... did it work ? | 10:40 |
{Seb} | Xorg works yes, and the whole desktop infact | 10:44 |
{Seb} | just this annoying box which i have to click OK for GNOME to load | 10:44 |
zyga | pitti: okay thanks, I'll talk to you tomorrow | 10:45 |
herve | {Seb}, all keyboard keys too? | 10:46 |
{Seb} | think so | 10:46 |
herve | I had to say gnome to use its layout instead of X's | 10:47 |
herve | but now it runs fine | 10:47 |
trulux | pitti: nite man :) | 10:54 |
pitti | Hi trulux | 10:54 |
trulux | pitti: how's it going? | 10:55 |
pitti | fine, and you? | 10:55 |
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trulux | pitti: tired, went out with friends for watching the Four Fantastic | 10:56 |
pitti | ah, btw, ajmitch: what's the selinux status? do we still need patches to be applied? | 11:08 |
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tritium | hi trulux | 11:11 |
trulux | hey tritium | 11:14 |
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lamont | hehe xfree86 is ftbfs: can't find -lXext | 11:18 |
lamont | but fixing that probably wants to wait for daniels to finish breaking things... | 11:18 |
=== tritium wonders if this email from Claire Davis is for real... | ||
ogra | tritium, likely, yes | 11:21 |
tritium | ogra, seems too good to be true :) | 11:22 |
ogra | laptop misson ? | 11:22 |
tritium | yes | 11:22 |
ogra | enjoy ;) | 11:22 |
ogra | (and test indeed) | 11:22 |
tritium | Absolutely! | 11:22 |
crimsun | ogra: thanks for fixing pymad; I had uploaded -1ubuntu1 and -1ubuntu2, but my key expired. I kept Debian's packages, though, for python2.2 and python2.3. | 11:23 |
ogra | crimsun, yes, it caused some confusion, since i suspeted mine was expired (which is impossible) :) | 11:24 |
carl | when is the next time breezy/daily will be refreshed? | 11:31 |
herve | we should find some solution about those acpi issue | 11:32 |
herve | I have to patch the initrd each time I update the kernel | 11:32 |
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