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Keybukok, how does one install mozilla extensions ?!12:03
hub_I don't find Colony12:04
hub_am I blind ?12:04
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hub_found it12:06
hub_Amaranth: given the time, it won't be mailed before monday12:06
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Amaranthhub_: i don't need it anymore, thanks anyway12:08
hub_Amaranth: okay. good12:09
Amaranthi called someone, they'll have it to me on sunday12:09
Amaranthi just hope i don't lose /home12:09
Amaranthi don't have another copy of smeg 0.8 anywhere12:09
hub_:-/12:09
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Amaranthoh shit, i don't have another copy of my work on pymusique anywhere either12:10
Amaranthjlje reminded me :/12:10
xhakeri was going to make room to install in another partition hoary server install12:12
xhakeri'm starting to think i will b0rk my stuff12:13
xhakeri did it once and Amaranth is not really helping 12:14
xhakerlol12:14
Amaranthheh12:14
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Amaranthif it works again12:14
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Gnobodyhey02:49
Gnobodyis X *still* broken?02:50
lamont-awayGnobody: you have reminded me of one of my favorite answers02:52
lamont"yes, signals are broken.  But not that way."02:52
lamontI think it generally applies to X as well.02:52
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Gnobodydamn02:52
lamontas for whether or not X is sane again, I couldn't say.  But that's a #ubuntu question02:52
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danielsdoko: nope04:01
danielserrr04:02
danielsinfinity: libxt b-ds on libsm >= 1:6.0.4-2, and -3 is in the archive04:02
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danielsinfinity: right, I see what happened now.04:30
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CarlFKhey daniels04:46
CarlFKyou do anything with preseed files?04:46
danielsCarlFK: nope, sorry04:51
CarlFKno prob04:56
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zwnjwhere i can find a package building (from scratch) manual from?05:33
bddebianzwnj: The Debian New Maintainers Guide05:33
zwnjseems building debian packages is harder that rpm05:33
bddebianNah05:33
zwnjbddebian: thanks :)05:33
bddebianAnyone know what is up with debdiff all of the sudden???05:34
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fabbionemornign06:17
bddebianMorning fabbione 06:19
truluxheya guys06:34
truluxfabbione: morning06:35
bddebianHello trulux 06:35
truluxbddebian: hi :)06:38
truluxanyone knows the time when Jane joins the channel?06:39
bddebianNot me sorry06:39
Burgundaviatrulux, she is UTC or UTC+106:39
truluxBurgundavia: many thanks, I just need to show some more stuff to pitti and her06:41
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davyddaniels: not to sound like a naggy mc nag nag, but what is holding linux-restricted-modules back?07:30
fabbionedavyd: a few things..07:31
fabbioneit will be around soon again07:31
fabbione2.6.12 prior the last upload was not exactly stable07:31
fabbioneand adding more instability due to binary driver was going to be only an extra mess for me to get stuff fixed07:32
davydso -4 is the go?07:33
fabbionedavyd: it did close a lot of bug...07:34
davydrock and roll07:34
davyddoes it look like the home stretch now?07:34
fabbionei might have to break it again to get some ipw2x00 extra love, but i can do it outside the archive to test07:34
davydor is there a heck of a lot of work remaining?07:34
fabbioneit's half way07:35
fabbionein theory there is a lot of packaging work07:35
fabbionebut the code seems to be pretty stable07:35
fabbioneand in the beginning i had to focus on that07:35
fabbione(reason why l-r-m isn't around yet)07:35
fabbione+ we had slightly less time than usual to work on l-r-m due to C++ and X transitions all together07:36
fabbionethat clearly are higher priority07:36
fabbione(if X doesn't work.. you can play pingpong with l-r-m ;))07:36
danielsyeah, it's just been full-on, and l-r-m hasn't been on my radar due to not being 'urgent holy shit needed last week'07:45
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davydI don't mind rebuilding the nvidia packages as required, I was mostly wondering if it was a time problem or a technical problem07:48
davydI get the impression it's been a time problem07:48
davydincidently, "libsexy" now has a spellchecking entry widget07:48
davydI wonder how that would look in X-Chat07:48
fabbionedavyd: it's both actually..07:51
fabbionebecause X is removing /usr/X11R607:51
fabbioneor anyway killing part of it07:51
fabbionethat reflects on nvidia and ATI too07:51
fabbionethe gcc transition made impossible to build them07:52
fabbione+ the time07:52
davydok, I didn't notice that compiling nvidia-glx, but ok07:52
davydis it going to break with -43?07:52
fabbionebut given that main needs to be stabilized first to build l-r-m properly...07:52
fabbionei dunno...07:52
fabbionei didn't upgrade X for a while07:52
davydI guess I'll find out the hard way07:52
fabbione(btw i do compile nvidia myself too...)07:52
fabbionebut to have a stable desktop to work on the kernel i had to stop upgrading X07:53
fabbioneso i dunno07:53
davydI picked the wrong day originally to install breezy on my new machine08:00
davydand it took until X -43 to get Xv working on my laptop08:01
danielswell, to be fair, that bug was present in warty and hoary also08:01
davydyes08:01
davydbut that's why I took to upgrading X08:02
danielslamont: ... which headers disappeared from dbus, exactly?08:03
lamontdaniels: <sys/signal.h>08:06
lamontfd_set et al08:06
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lamontpretty sure I called it dbus-signal.patch08:06
lamontand -ubuntu6 had the arch spec on mono-mcs08:07
danielsso you added some missing #includes08:08
lamontI added one missing include08:14
lamontand all was right with the world again08:14
lamontclearly it included something that _used_to_ include sys/signal.h08:15
lamonthttp://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/byDate/today.html08:20
lamontenjoy the pain that is breezy-autotest, folks08:20
lamont interesting, amd64 is kicking butt08:21
danielsheh08:22
lamontbuildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.all.amd64:Total 159 package(s) in state Installed.08:24
lamontbuildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.all.i386:Total 97 package(s) in state Installed.08:24
lamontbuildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.all.ia64:Total 53 package(s) in state Installed.08:24
lamontbuildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.all.powerpc:Total 96 package(s) in state Installed.08:24
lamonthrm... maybe that was semi-spewage08:24
fabbionedoes the latest kdelibs fix the uninstallable problem?08:25
fabbioneor do we need to do some kind of magic?08:25
lamontstill no clue... dbus was blocking kdelibs for me08:25
lamontbut that's built now.  cool08:25
fabbioneit's the other way around for me..08:26
fabbionedbus can't build because of kdelibs..08:26
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danielsfabbione: yeah, you need to break the loop there08:26
fabbionedaniels: how?08:26
bob2autotest = randomly rebuild already built source packages?08:26
fabbionedaniels: or better.. in what order?08:26
lamontbob2: use the debs from breezy, and a snapshot of the source from same.  build, and then throw away (well, notreally, but effectively) the resulting debs08:27
bob2ah, neat08:27
danielsfabbione: i assume disable dbus support in kdelibs, build dbus off that, and rebuild kdelibs off dbus08:27
danielsthat's if you're bootstrapping08:27
lamontdaniels: or find an older, installable kdelibs08:27
danielsright08:27
fabbionehmmmm08:27
fabbioneok08:27
fabbionegiving the morgue is broken, it's going to be difficult08:28
lamontmy issue right now is that it still isn't installable, since libopenexr-dev isn't available from breezy08:28
lamontdaniels: anything wrong with this list for an xorg-split kind of world??  autotools-dev cdbs debhelper libfltk1.1-dev xlibmesa-gl-dev xlibmesa-glu-dev08:29
danielslamont: xlibmesa-gl-dev | libgl-dev, libglu1-xorg-dev | libglu-dev08:30
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lamontok08:31
lamontthat's openexr, fwiw08:31
danielsmust, must provide alternatives08:31
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fabbionenight lamont08:32
danielsnight dude08:33
lamontdaniels: and feel free to look at all the missing X* symbols in imlib2 if you're really looking for something to distract you from xorg proper. :)08:34
danielsot08:35
danielser08:35
danielsit's saturday08:35
danielslamont: example build log though?08:36
fabbione08:57
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hervehello10:53
hervewho can I see for bugzilla rights?10:54
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | If you have unexpectedly lost editbugs privileges, talk to mdz/ogra/kiko | Colony CD 2 released | yes, X is broken. | deadline for outstanding merges is 2005-07-21
=== Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by Kamion at Wed Jul 20 15:09:16 2005
=== #ubuntu-devel [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
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Mithrandiris the morgue broken?02:29
fabbioneMithrandir: yes.02:30
fabbionei told elmo already02:30
highvoltagethe morgue?02:31
fabbioneMithrandir: are you going to be around monday?02:31
Nafallohighvoltage: morgue.ubuntu.com02:31
Mithrandirfabbione: sure02:32
fabbioneMithrandir: we need to talk about Xen, but not now. i am moving al the stuff around the office today and reconfiguring tomorrow02:33
fabbioneMithrandir: i am on a 80x24 12" monitor atm :)02:33
fabbioneand can't really do much02:33
Mithrandirfabbione: heh, ok.02:33
fabbioneok.. i am offline again.. time to switch my ws to 3x21" :)02:34
fabbionei wonder what resolution can handle the Sun monitor...02:34
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siretartI'd like to have piuparts from unstable included in ubuntu. it seems useful for doing qa of packages. who do I need to ask?02:37
siretartin universe, that is02:37
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ograMithrandir, there obviously is no limit on 65000 files in a ext3 directory ;) 02:38
ograMithrandir, (as you told me)02:38
ograsee http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/02:38
tsengsiretart: email elmo to sync it02:41
tsengit would be nice if pbuilder could do the same things02:41
tsengor piuparts use the pbuilder chroot02:41
bob2(sbuild)02:41
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Mithrandirheh:02:42
Mithrandirfind: WARNING: Hard link count is wrong for .: this may be a bug in your filesystem driver.  Automatically turning on find's -noleaf option.  Earlier results may have failed to include directories that should have been searched.02:42
seb128hi02:42
seb128daniels: around?02:42
siretarttseng: piuparts can use the base.tgz of pbuilder02:43
Mithrandirogra: sorry, 32k directories. :-)02:43
tsengsiretart: rock.02:43
Mithrandirogra: try seq 40000 | xargs mkdir 02:43
bob2seb128: ELATEONASATURDAYNIGHT02:44
bob2hah, nice that find can work around some disk corruption02:44
seb128bob2: just trying to make sure to not conflict with his uploads before upload a xft to drop XOPEN_SOURCE from here02:44
seb128bob2: if he's away that's fine :)02:44
ograMithrandir, seriously i wont try it on *this* PII 233 ;)02:45
bob2ah :)02:45
Mithrandirogra: get a real computer. ;-)02:45
ograMithrandir, thats a *server* *g*02:45
ograMithrandir, but once i mived all this crap to the DC i'll upgrade the machine ;)02:46
ogramoved even02:46
Mithrandirogra:  :-)02:46
ograopteron !02:46
thomtseng: dude, beagle appears to ftbfs here...02:47
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Amaranththom: libgmime-cil is out of sync with the thing it's binding02:49
tsengyes02:49
tsenggmime 2.1 is a hard dep for 0.1202:50
tseng0.12 is not uploaded because it does nothing but explode here02:50
tsengstay tuned02:50
tsengthom: want to look at blam/mozilla bug?02:51
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thomtseng: not really :-)02:51
tsengmeh02:52
tsengsounds like we are at a stand-off02:52
AmaranthIf my HD worked I'd look at blam :)02:53
AmaranthIf grub spits out Error 17 when it's supposed to load the menu of choices it can't read /boot, right?02:53
tsengcan anyone tell me why mono isnt building02:55
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slomofabbione: will the kernel be built with gcc 3.4 until breezy release?02:57
fabbioneslomo: probably02:58
slomofabbione: ok, thanks02:59
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bddebianMorning03:25
highvoltagemorning, bddebian 03:32
highvoltage(or good afternoon, from my timezone)03:32
bddebianHeya highvoltage 03:37
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highvoltagebddebian: do you think canonical/ubuntu will support the hurd kernel and release a ubuntu gnu/hurd, once it hits v1.0?04:02
thomi doubt canonical will, but ubuntu might if there's community interest04:02
infinityseb128 : Looks like XOPEN_SOURCE still hasn't been completely purged from the X dependency chain, so you should probably stop uploading things to "fix" it...04:02
seb128infinity: hum? what package has been b0rked?04:03
HrdwrBoBnot sure there will be interest though04:03
seb128infinity: xft?04:03
infinityseb128 : pango still has it in its .pc file.04:03
seb128infinity: yeah, due to xft04:03
seb128infinity: that's why I've uploaded xft ... should be fine now04:03
seb128then I can upload gtk04:04
seb128then I can work :p04:04
infinityseb128 : Ahh.  Hrm.  Kay.  Of course, several X libs here still show it as well (sm, xmu, xt, xtrap)04:04
seb128infinity: pango don't use those04:04
infinityHeh.  Kay. :)04:04
bddebianhighvoltage: I doubt it but I am working on creating an Ubutnu Hurd derivative04:04
infinitySo, xft, pango, gtk, gdk, PROFIT?04:04
highvoltagebddebian: ah, that will be nice (at least for testing)04:05
seb128infinity: that's the plan :)04:05
infinityAnd I can sort out the rest of the X libs that still look goofy later.04:05
azeembddebian: cool, send me the gcc-4.0 fixes if you do so, then :)04:05
infinityseb128 : Once you've done those uploads, are we ready for me to do a mass give-back to the buildds again, and see what blows up?04:05
seb128infinity: do you know how is xorg/xkb nowadays?04:05
seb128infinity: I still have -33 here04:05
bddebianHey any chance one of you "main" types can sync devscripts from Debian unstable?  It's broken in breezy atm04:05
seb128infinity: yeah04:06
infinityseb128 : Not sure, I run X in hoary still, my breezy stuff is all chrooted.  Probably should switch this month, though.04:06
infinitybddebian : Yeah, I was goign to request that sync once the Debian uploads settled down a bit (there've been a few in a row)04:06
tsenginfinity: could you perhaps tell me why mono isnt building?04:06
infinitybddebian : I assume it's the breakage of "debdiff" you want fixed (same as me)?04:06
bddebianinfinity: Ah, OK, thx04:06
bddebianinfinity: Yes, debdiff :-)04:07
tsenginfinity: or, seeming hasnt entered buildd more specifically04:07
infinitytseng : Specific package(s)?04:07
tsenginfinity: mono 1.1.8.204:07
infinitytseng : dep-wait on mono-classlib-1.0... I assume this is incorrect? :)04:08
tsenginfinity: yes, that must be from my previous upload04:08
tsenginfinity: we managed to get it bootstraping internally04:08
infinitytseng : Freed up, shold build shortly.04:09
infinityshould, too.04:10
tsenginfinity: cheers04:10
tsengmdke: you should be able to access my server on port 22 now04:16
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infinitytseng : Built.04:30
mdketseng, ah cool, i was just uploading now :D04:31
mdketseng, btw we have a docteam linode set up now so as soon as we have a subdomain pointing at it, i'll let you know and you can close our account on your server04:31
tsengmdke: ok, rock on04:32
tsenginfinity: thanks dude04:32
tsengwth04:33
Nafallohttp://www.magicalforest.se/tmp/libxaw_7.0.2-3.diff04:33
tsenginfinity: if you still have a few moments, could you look at that buildlog04:34
tsenginfinity: apt cache troubles04:34
Nafallobuilds cleanly on amd64 and should fix xkbutils ftbfs04:35
Nafallo:-)04:35
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herveNafallo, my hero!04:36
hungerIs xkb broken again?04:36
bob2yup04:36
hungerbob2 What is the workaround this time?04:36
bob2I dunno if there is one04:37
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=== hunger sighs.
Nafallohunger: to dep-wait on xkb-utils :-)04:37
bob2my work around was "not upgrade until breezy went a week without being fucked"04:37
hungerbreezy is basically unusable most of the time:-(04:37
Nafallobob2: what's the fun in that? ;-)04:38
tsengfunny that ive been using it the entire time04:38
hungerbob2: Can't do that... I need the new kernel.04:38
fabbioneis there some known problem with udev?04:38
bob2tseng: proof that I'm lazier than you04:39
fabbionebob2: ^^04:39
hungerbob2: Actually rebuilding the kernel a couple of times would have saved lots of time.04:39
fabbioneit seems that it doesn't start here at all..04:39
hungerfabbione: Yeap. It does not create /dev/input/mice for me anymore.04:39
fabbionehunger: exactly...04:39
fabbioneand /dev/input/mice04:39
hungerfabbione: run udevstart manually and it will be there.04:39
herveha, that's why my usb mouse stopped to work some times04:40
herveI unplugged and replugged it and it was ok04:40
fabbionehmm04:40
fabbioneno 04:40
fabbioneno luck04:40
herveor maybe that was a X issue04:41
hungerfabbione: I talked to someone here about that two weeks ago... said it worked for him and that I should debug myself.04:41
Nafallodang. does not fix xkbutils *goes back to hack on it*.04:42
fabbioneit's definetely a udev problem04:42
hungerAny change of getting a xkb fixed soonish? And a "startx" would be nice to have at some point, too;-)04:43
bob2X will be fixed in the next few days, hopefully04:43
hungerfabbione: Yeap, that was what we found out 2 weeks ago, too:-)04:43
Nafallohunger: installed xinit?04:43
fabbionemousedev is not modprobed.. so it could either be udev or hotplug04:44
fabbioneif i modprobe that manually.. everything works04:44
hungerNafallo: There is no xinit... startx used to be part of xbase-clients, but that is basically empty nowadays.04:44
Nafallohmm, xinit has to be NEWed ;-)04:45
Nafallohunger: yea, daniels is spliting it.04:45
ograhunger, xbase-clients is split04:45
hungerfabbione: mousedev is loaded here... I do have /dev/input/mouse*, but no /dev/input/mice.04:45
ograhunger, it will disappear completely or get converted to as metapackage eventually04:45
ogras/as/a04:46
hungerogra: Thanks for the info!04:46
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infinitytseng : Which build log?05:17
ograhmm, #12888 is a very interesting big05:22
ograbug05:22
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lamontbuildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.all.amd64:Total 729 package(s) in state Building.05:24
lamontbuildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.all.amd64:Total 138 package(s) in state Dep-Wait.05:24
lamontbuildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.all.amd64:Total 1 package(s) in state Failed.05:24
lamontbuildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.all.amd64:Total 618 package(s) in state Installed.05:24
lamontbuildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.all.amd64:Total 13 package(s) in state Uploaded.05:24
lamontbuildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.all.amd64:Total 1499 package(s)05:24
lamontoops.05:24
lamontanyway, it's < 50% of main that has actual build failures on amd64...05:24
tsenginfinity: it worked itself out05:25
lamontand < 10% that are missing build-depends05:25
ograsounds good..05:25
ograhow is this compared to the other arches ? 05:25
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Nafalloogra: care for a couple of uploads to main? ;-)05:32
ograNafallo, not now... i'm currently busy with other stuff... can you send me a list ?05:33
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{Seb}how is Xorg looking in Breezy?05:34
{Seb}Broken?05:34
hungersebest: yes.05:34
Nafalloogra: sure, either that or I nag Tollef after dinner :-).05:34
ograNafallo, youre already there ? 05:35
NafalloI shall probably test the packages first :-)05:35
ograNafallo, great idea ;)05:35
Nafalloogra: yepp, since yesterday evening  :-)05:35
ogranice :)05:35
Nafallohe's hacking dinner, while I'm hacking Xorg ;-)05:36
{Seb}Nafallo: can you tell me if there are any outstanding issues with Xorg?05:36
HiddenWolfI'd rather do dinner, really05:36
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NafalloSeb: xkb is broken.05:37
NafalloSeb: hopefully not long though ;-)05:37
{Seb}when i'm upgrading - what do i need to be careful of then?05:37
{Seb}upgrading from Colony 2 install i mean05:37
Nafalloxorg05:38
{Seb}i guessed that :-)05:38
{Seb}i mean which packages are broken?05:38
HiddenWolfseb128, he said, xkb05:39
{Seb}Nafallo: how do you mean xkb is broken?05:39
NafalloSeb: keyboard doesn't work?05:40
HiddenWolfseb128, I'd imagine it doesn't work without user-side hacking05:40
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{Seb}dang05:40
{Seb}Nafallo: will Xorg -44 sort it>05:41
{Seb}*it?05:41
davyd/set completion_amount 005:41
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Nafalloyay! keyboard works again :-)05:41
NafalloSeb: dunno, ask daniels :-)05:41
Nafallodaniels /away socializing05:42
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davydHiddenWolf: assuming you're talking about broken X-chat completion, that was for you05:42
davydthe option is persistant, and will switch back to the old "readline" style completion05:42
Nafallohmm, gone :-)05:42
HiddenWolfdavyd, yeah, xchat seems to autocomplete sometimes without my pressing <tab>05:42
hungerNafallo: What do I need to do to get it working here, too?05:42
davydHiddenWolf: you may have an autocompletion character set05:42
HiddenWolfdavyd, in english that means?05:43
davydwhich allows you to type dav: and it expands to davyd:05:43
Nafallohunger: http://www.magicalforest.se/tmp/libxaw_7.0.2-3.diff05:43
Nafallohunger: http://www.magicalforest.se/tmp/xkbutils_7.0-3.diff05:43
Nafallonow, I'm really gone :-)05:43
davydthat'd be the second most annoying feature, right after the one where tab matches the first option, rather then matching as much as possible05:43
HiddenWolfdavyd, how do I kill this? I'd rather not have my pc think for itself05:43
davydHiddenWolf: the completion character is in the preferences05:44
HiddenWolfannoying feature -> bug05:44
davydfor the dumb tab completion you'll need to give the command I gave originally05:44
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HiddenWolfNah, I like tab completion, it just has to do it when I want to, not at random05:45
davydit doesn't turn off tab completion05:46
davydit just goes to the old gnu-readline style05:46
davydlike it used to be05:46
davydlike it is in zsh05:47
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HiddenWolfnafallo, how soon do you think it'll be before xorg is unbroken?05:52
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infinityHiddenWolf : A week would be a good estimate for X to be mostly happy for most users.06:00
robertj_after X is happy, is there going to be another colony release/06:02
infinityYou'd have to ask Kamion, who appears to be having himself a weekend away from IRC.  Something I should also do.06:03
HiddenWolfinfinity: thank you. I really need to upgrade to breezy, but I don't feel like messing a lot. :(06:07
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | If you have unexpectedly lost editbugs privileges, talk to mdz/ogra/kiko | Colony CD 2 released | yes, X is broken. | deadline for outstanding merges is 2005-07-21
=== Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by Kamion at Wed Jul 20 15:09:16 2005
(CarlFK/#ubuntu-devel) if i hit Scroll lock just right, I can get it to stop with: tail /var/log/syslog - no such file07:02
CarlFKit seems like the install is still progressing, but the console is just being flooded with that error so I can't see the status of the install07:14
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bytee_hi ubuntites! casper does liveCDs, has anyone thought of, or is anyone working on making it so that casper does USB thumb drive installs ?07:17
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thesaltydogdoes anybody know if there is a patch available to let gnome-app-install working on Hoary?07:43
lamontdpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find path for libhal.so.107:50
lamontbad hal07:50
fabbionehey lamont 07:54
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fabbionelamont: there was no need to bootstrap dbus <-> kdelibs07:54
fabbionekdelib first, than dbus did it07:54
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lamontfabbione: that's because you had a dbus to install07:54
fabbionehmm yes, but it was a very old version07:54
=== lamont had no version
lamontwell, maybe in hoary07:55
fabbionemeh07:55
lamontand what I did was install kdelibs4-dev (with hoary allowed), and then built dbus07:55
fabbioneyeah gotcha07:55
fabbionefood is ready07:56
fabbionelater07:56
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thesaltydogdoes anybody know if there is a patch available to let gnome-app-install working on Hoary?08:05
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scorpixis there any news about Colony 3?08:07
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hungerscorpix: From what I understand the next colony will be released once xorg gets somewhat more stable.08:11
hungerscorpix: Someone mentioned something about it being ready in a week or so...08:12
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carlhas anyone tried todays install?  mine errors near the beginnig08:36
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mdzseb128: are we going to see xchat-gnome for breezy?08:52
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{Seb}mdz: what advantages does xchat-gnome have over plain xchat?08:57
chrissturmseb: xchat-gnome is a new frontend for the popular X-Chat IRC client  targeted towards the GNOME platform. Our eventual goals include full desktop integration and HIG compliance.09:05
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{Seb}great09:15
{Seb}hope it gets into Breezy09:15
chrissturmdoesnt build for me :( 09:16
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Amaranthanyone know of a way i can fsck my linux HD from windows?09:25
Amaranthi know this isn't a -devel question09:25
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carlAmaranth, #ubunto09:28
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hungerAmaranth: Knoppix springs to my mind there...09:33
AmaranthNo CDs.09:33
zygaAmaranth: ntfs or fat?09:34
Amaranthhmm, i think fat3209:34
zygaAmaranth: belay thay---- I've got reading problems09:34
carlext2 (/boot part09:34
carlhuh?09:34
Amaranthi'm on windows09:34
Amaranthi need to read linux fs09:34
Amaranthwell, fsck it09:34
zygaAmaranth: that's fscking difficult 09:34
Amaranthno shit09:34
carlAmaranth, i think you should describe the symptoms09:34
Amarantherror 17 on grub load09:35
AmaranthHD overheated, humorously enough, during a fsck09:35
chrissturmAmaranth, i repaired my hd with spinrite09:35
chrissturmbut its commercial09:36
Amaranththe other drive was got even hotter and is fine now so i'm hoping its just a silly error like a corrupt superblock09:36
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zygaAmaranth: 1) cool your drive with a good fan 2) put the drive in a linux box 3) don't mess with it on windows, it's difficult already09:37
Amaranthchrissturm: needs a CD and/or floppy anyway09:37
Amaranthzyga: 1) i seperated the drives, won't be a problem anymore 2) not possible, this is the only box 3) it's either that or stay on windows09:37
carlAmaranth, yeah - if you really want to fix it, don't mess around with a win solution - figue out how to get some sort of Linux09:37
Amaranthi will hopefully have a hoary CD late tomorrow night but i really need to get back to work on smeg09:38
zygaAmaranth: it's either that or go to a internet caffe and convince the owner to allow you to attach your drive and boot from *nix live cd09:38
AmaranthI don't have any CDs...09:38
zygaAmaranth: any friends that can help you?09:38
Amaranthyeah, late tomorrow night09:39
chrissturmAmaranth, can you boot over pxe?09:39
carlAmaranth, what do you use for dhcp?09:39
Amaranth34 hours from now09:39
Amaranthmy cable modem09:39
carlrats.  no pxe stuf then09:39
Amaranthit's admin interface has one thing on it: a reset button09:39
zygaAmaranth: hmm09:40
zygaAmaranth: what about colinux?09:40
zygaAmaranth: co-something-linux - it boots form windows and uses disk image as it's / fs09:40
Amaranthwill colinux be able to see the drive if windows itself can't?09:40
zygaAmaranth: maybe it could fsck your partition09:40
zygaAmaranth: I'm not sure - it has a tiny gentoo image available - it's worth checking09:41
zygaAmaranth: it does run some windows driver stuff so it *might*09:41
zygaAmaranth: alhough you'd need admin privilidge on your box09:41
Amaranthi have that :P09:42
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Mezerm09:44
Mezkeybuk/elmo/lamont ping09:44
sladenMez: you could always just ask the question09:45
MezPreconfiguring packages ...09:45
Mezdpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success09:45
Mezit b0rked cause of those test packages09:45
Mez:D09:45
Mezfrom backports09:45
Mezand /me slaps sladen round a bit09:46
=== lamont has no clue what Mez should do with that
Mezlamont, you can poke backports to start right?09:47
seb128mdz: I've not really played with it, but yeah, would be nice to get. No objection to package it for universe now with the UVF?09:47
Mezit doesnt neccesarily need to be elmo09:47
mdzseb128: no objection, no09:47
lamontMez: I can upload source, I can make buildd's build, but I can't muck with the archive09:49
Mezfair enough09:49
Mezbuggery09:49
Mezdpkg = b0rked09:49
mdzMez: ?09:52
Mezsorry - my dpkg = b0rked09:52
Mez(as in I cant install anything09:53
mdzthen I recommend installing one of the working versions available in the archive09:53
Mezmdz, that's the problem I can't - i need dpkg to install it09:53
fabbioneMez: use a livecd to boot and use chroot09:53
mdzMez: unpack the .deb with dpkg -x and use the dpkg binary contained therein09:54
fabbionehi mdz09:54
Mezah, good idea09:54
fabbionemdz: how is going today?09:54
lamontfabbione: your way is so new-school. :-)09:54
mdzfabbione: much like yesterday09:54
mdzonly I got a good night's sleep09:54
fabbionelamont: ain't my fault if you are over 4009:54
mdzwhich was nice09:54
fabbionemdz: sounds good09:54
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Mezmez@apathy:~/dpkg$ dpkg -x *09:55
Mezdpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success09:55
Mezlooks like I'm gonna have to do it manually09:55
fabbioneMez: dpkg -x dpkg-balbal .09:56
fabbioneit will unpack the dpkg in there...09:56
fabbione* is not an option09:56
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MezI'm getting an error with the extracted dpkg too09:57
mdzMez: edit /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg and comment out the 'log' line09:57
mdzit sounds like you ended up with a dpkg.cfg written for a newer version of dpkg09:58
Mezmost likely, was downgrading it09:58
mdzdon't do that09:58
mdzdowngrades in general are untested and unsupported; not something to try with an essential package09:58
Mezmdz, I had an untested version from backports :D09:58
Mezbut hey09:58
Mezthat seems to have fixed it09:59
ograMez, any reason why you backport dpkg ?09:59
Mezthanks for your help09:59
Mezogra - it was lamont's "acid test"09:59
ograwohoo... acid test...10:00
MezI had the "official" backports repository in my apt list :D10:00
Mezlol10:00
Mezand managed to upgrade to that10:00
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Mezonce it was purged, I still had it and wanted to know i had a safe version, so tried to downgrade :P10:00
lamontMez: not my acid test - I just build stuff10:00
zygaMez: could you elaborate on that acid test :> ?10:00
=== lamont is still trying to understand the logic of creating -backports...
Mezwell, someone used dpkg as the "test" backported package10:00
lamontzyga: it's good to build some package in a suite before declaring it ready for prime time10:01
ograMez, you should create a chroot for your package tests to not break your system every time10:01
lamontsome days it's dpkg, other days it's ed10:01
ogralamont, dont forget the kernel :)10:01
Mezogra - I do have a chroot....10:01
Mezbut I had the "official" repository added, and in there was a backport of dpkg (now re-reading the email, it was elmo who used that as the test, so apoliogies lamont)10:02
mdzlamont: what's difficult to understand about -backports?10:03
mdzlamont: elmo would have used ed, but it was the same version in hoary and breezy ;-)10:03
Mezlol10:03
mdzthe next logical candidate was a core piece of package management infrastructure, of course10:03
Mezanyway, i fixed that now :D10:04
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Mezmdz, is it only elmo who can start packages being backported?10:06
mdzMez: yes, please be patient, as he has weekends off10:06
MasoudHi10:06
Mezmdz, I wasn't moaning, was just asking :d10:06
mdzit will be more automated in the future, but for now this is the most effective way10:06
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pittiHi10:08
seb128hey pitti 10:08
seb128pitti: what do you do here on a saturday night? :)10:08
pittiseb128: we were hiking and on the fair all the day, so my gf fell asleep 1 hour ago :-)10:09
seb128ah ah10:09
pittiso I wanted to do some postgresql hacking10:09
pitti(I can't see Firefox today)10:09
pittiseb128: and you?10:10
zygahey pitti10:10
zygapitti: what's up with firefox?10:10
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pittizyga: YOU SAID THE WORD!!!10:11
pittiogra: oh, did he solve it? :-)10:11
ogralol10:11
seb128pitti: just coming back from dinner and having a look on my mail and this XOPEN_SOURCE issue10:11
fabbioneWOW10:11
fabbionei still had receipts from Oxford's meeting in my wallet!10:12
zygapitti: relax it's not like 10^5 users are complainig or anything10:12
pittioh, me too :-) some taxi bills10:12
fabbioneno wonder it was so heavy10:12
pittizyga: I'll look into the 1.0.6 patches today, but after 60 hours of ffox hacking last week I need a break10:12
pittis/today/at monday/ of course10:12
lamontpitti: it just _feels_ like monday, eh?10:13
zygapitti: I'm done working on $$$ apps today, I could help you review those patches tommorow (not on monday)10:13
hervehey, my firefox works like a charm10:16
pittimine too :-)10:16
Mezbackported firefox = uber too10:16
pittibut nice that there is at least one other person it works for10:17
pittiwell, it does run very well without those damn extensions10:17
Mezpitti, which extensions?10:17
ograbah, extensions10:17
pittiMez: well, most10:17
pittiMez: I use AdBlock, that works fine10:17
zygapitti: /topic #ubuntu extensions are bad, don't use them, simplicity is bliss ;)10:17
zygapitti: but really I'd like to help10:18
seb128bah10:18
hervehu? I have a dozen extensions10:18
Mezgoogle toolbar works fine too (well in backported version)10:18
seb128people you should all use epiphany10:18
seb128it works fine10:18
ograherve, and up to date hoary ?10:18
pittizyga: well, I wrote to ubuntu-security-announce, u-devel, and u-users, explaining the issue and workarounds10:18
herveogra, s/hoary/breezy10:18
zygapitti: checking10:18
ograherve, ahh10:18
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pittizyga: I extracted the ffo 1.0.5 -> 1.0.6 changes, I will port them at Monday (half of the patch doesn't apply)10:18
Mezpitti: are these problems likely to affect the backport?10:19
Mezand if so, should I pull the backport10:19
pittiMez: yes, one of the patches apparently broke the API10:20
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Mezpitti: does that apply to hoary though? seeing as it has a different API?10:20
pittiMez: no, actually all the 1.0.x versions should have the same api10:21
ograpitti, ha ha ha10:21
Mezgrr10:21
=== Mez read taht as ABI
Meznopt API10:21
pittiyes, right, sorry10:22
=== Mez goes and pills the backport
Mezpulls10:22
pittiyeah, typos :-)10:22
Mezso, pull it or not?10:22
pittiMez: if you want to...10:23
zygapitti: hmm did you post that mail as someone else? i can't find it i u-d10:23
Mezpitti: if the problems are gonna ffect hoary too... then I should10:24
MezI was about to ask the same thing zyga 10:24
ograzyga, he crossposted to -users.... if your filters are as silly as mine, you'll find it there10:24
pittizyga: no, as Martin Pitt <martin.pitt@canonical.com>10:24
Mezah10:25
=== Mez found in -users
zygait seems that whatever makes u-d archives is equally silly or I'm blind because it's not there10:27
=== zyga found in -users
zygajust a side note, firefox really kills the CPU when it's trying to /search for something that does not exist, evey keystroke laggs begind gui10:29
Mezpulled from backports10:29
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MezI couldnt find it in the archive either10:29
{Seb}after upgrading to the latest Xorg, i get an Xsession box when i login with nothing it in10:30
{Seb}is this a known bug?10:30
Treenaksyes10:30
Treenaksor, you could look on bugzilla.ubuntu.com :)10:31
{Seb}any way to remove it?10:31
zygapitti: is it possible to keep the same API as 1.0.2 had?10:31
zygapitti: api/abi whatever's changed?10:31
pittizyga: no, one vulnerability really was an API flaw, so it needed to be changed10:31
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zygapitti: what about api wrapper? I'm not familiar with that flaw so I'm shooting blanks here?10:32
zygapitti: that's c++ code change, right?10:32
pittizyga: yes10:33
ogra{Seb}, try to explicitly select a gnome session from gdm 10:34
zygapitti: did you extract the changes from ff repository or are they availiable somewhere?10:35
pittizyga: I took the patches from bugzilla, extracted them from cvs, compared them to each other, and then backported10:36
pittizyga: the mozilla advisories point to bug numbers10:36
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{Seb}do you know which bug it is?10:38
{Seb}there are so many bugs for Xorg (129 actually)10:38
seb128try #ubuntu maybe?10:40
ogra{Seb}, no idea... did it work ?10:40
{Seb}Xorg works yes, and the whole desktop infact10:44
{Seb}just this annoying box which i have to click OK for GNOME to load10:44
zygapitti: okay thanks, I'll talk to you tomorrow10:45
herve{Seb}, all keyboard keys too?10:46
{Seb}think so10:46
herveI had to say gnome to use its layout instead of X's10:47
hervebut now it runs fine10:47
truluxpitti: nite man :)10:54
pittiHi trulux 10:54
truluxpitti: how's it going?10:55
pittifine, and you?10:55
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truluxpitti: tired, went out with friends for watching the Four Fantastic10:56
pittiah, btw, ajmitch: what's the selinux status? do we still need patches to be applied?11:08
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tritiumhi trulux11:11
truluxhey tritium 11:14
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lamonthehe xfree86 is ftbfs: can't find -lXext11:18
lamontbut fixing that probably wants to wait for daniels to finish breaking things...11:18
=== tritium wonders if this email from Claire Davis is for real...
ogratritium, likely, yes11:21
tritiumogra, seems too good to be true :)11:22
ogralaptop misson ?11:22
tritiumyes11:22
ograenjoy ;)11:22
ogra(and test indeed)11:22
tritiumAbsolutely!11:22
crimsunogra: thanks for fixing pymad; I had uploaded -1ubuntu1 and -1ubuntu2, but my key expired. I kept Debian's packages, though, for python2.2 and python2.3.11:23
ogracrimsun, yes, it caused some confusion, since i suspeted mine was expired (which is impossible) :)11:24
carlwhen is the next time breezy/daily will be refreshed?11:31
hervewe should find some solution about those acpi issue11:32
herveI have to patch the initrd each time I update the kernel11:32
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