[12:00] <fnd> foxiness: hand off means, that
[12:00] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yet Windows rules on games.....and i find that to be the weakest point in Linux :S
[12:00] <kbrooks> foxiness: when i said grandma i meant 'idiot', aka newb
[12:00] <LuNaTiK^GuY> its not linux's fault ok
[12:00] <cafuego> aru: Keeps dropping out and reclaiming nick via nickserv.
[12:01] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but i want to play ANY game...with full hardware juice lol
[12:01] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: so....let me get this straight
[12:01] <flyingpenguin900> LuNaTiK^GuY, play ut2k4
[12:01] <kbrooks> flyingpenguin900: dont distract
[12:01] <foxiness> LuNaTiK^GuY, PS2
[12:02] <acid2> Hey - where can I find a nice sources.list ?
[12:02] <qt2> is ti jsut me or does xffm4-icons seem like a messed up package, its icons for xffm, but it tries to remove xfce4, xfce4-devel & xffm4...? doesn't that seem a bit odd?
[12:02] <foxiness> better than all pnp
[12:02] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i dont want to buy a PS2
[12:02] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: you want all games to automatically have 3D accel and everything without any configuration?
[12:02] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wot now?
[12:02] <cafuego> acid2: sudo 'apt-setup'
[12:02] <foxiness> safe your time and mony
[12:02] <LuNaTiK^GuY> kbrooks yes :)
[12:03] <sailor339> Hey
[12:03] <foxiness> LuNaTiK^GuY, you need to buy new harddisk soon than
[12:03] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: automatic is a bit diff to accomplish
[12:03] <kbrooks> foxiness: ummm
[12:03] <kbrooks> foxiness: shush
[12:03] <LuNaTiK^GuY> kbrooks: its done in windows no?
[12:03] <foxiness> LuNaTiK^GuY, new vidocard >>>>>
[12:03] <LuNaTiK^GuY> u install it
[12:03] <LuNaTiK^GuY> etc etc
[12:03] <LuNaTiK^GuY> done
[12:03] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i got an Nvidia 6800
[12:03] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: directx and vid card drivers and thats it
[12:03] <LuNaTiK^GuY> pretty good card!!
[12:04] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i had read an article
[12:04] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: however, linux is a bit harder
[12:04] <everett_> !ati
[12:04] <ubotu> rumour has it, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:04] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: link?
[12:04] <LuNaTiK^GuY> even if Doom 3 was Open GL compliant...and playabe in linux........yet under windows it scored more frams
[12:04] <ksyms> I have edited /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc removing -nolisten tcp and it still starting with it, any idea?
[12:04] <LuNaTiK^GuY> www.anandtech.com
[12:04] <LuNaTiK^GuY> lol
[12:04] <fnd> omg
[12:04] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: direct link
[12:04] <foxiness> ubotu, is it support 3D
[12:04] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, foxiness
[12:05] <LuNaTiK^GuY> let me find it
[12:05] <LuNaTiK^GuY> http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/lh4058_review_08.jpg --> Win isnt looking that different....
[12:05] <fnd> hmm harcd[ocp]  link might be use full on this
[12:06] <fnd> hardocp even
[12:06] <DaSkreech> Can I apt-get downgrade a package?
[12:06] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Doom 3 battle: http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2241
[12:06] <DaSkreech> Yes it is for X.org :)
[12:06] <jasoncohen> DaSkreech, yes
[12:06] <DaSkreech> jasoncohen: Wonderful is there a tutorial I can read?
[12:06] <jasoncohen> DaSkreech, you can downgrade a package easily in synaptic by selecting the package and choosing force version
[12:07] <DaSkreech> Ah
[12:07] <flyingpenguin900> What is the path to mice in ubuntu?
[12:07] <Antinomy> ANyone suggest an alternative Distro than Ubuntu?
[12:07] <Andares> Ahh...
[12:07] <jasoncohen> DaSkreech, package > Force Version
[12:07] <Andares> Where is .xinitrc located in Ubuntu?
[12:07] <Andares> It's not showing up with slocate.
[12:07] <DaSkreech> jasoncohen: and if the problem is that I can't get to Synaptic which is why I need to install an old package? :)
[12:07] <LuNaTiK^GuY> windows scored better on a linux-compatible game......
[12:07] <jasoncohen> Antinomy, what are you looking for in a distro?
[12:07] <Triffid_Hunter> Antinomy: gentoo?
[12:07] <Virtuall> LuNaTiK^GuY, looks like shit (I mean, like expected)
[12:07] <LuNaTiK^GuY> thats y i cant remove Win ;)
[12:07] <Triffid_Hunter> flyingpenguin900: /dev/input/mice should work
[12:07] <jasoncohen> DaSkreech, what did you do?
[12:08] <qt2> Andares, /dev/input/mice
[12:08] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Virtuall: why?
[12:08] <DaSkreech> jasoncohen: Up dated X
[12:08] <Andares> qt2, why is it there?!
[12:08] <jasoncohen> DaSkreech, why are you running breezy?
[12:08] <Virtuall> don't know. imo even worse than xp
[12:08] <Andares> How do I use a window manager of my choice?
[12:08] <qt2> Andares, i dont know, because it should be!?
[12:08] <DaSkreech> testing
[12:08] <Antinomy> let's see something as user friendly as Ubuntu - I just cant get it to work on my laptop
[12:08] <Andares> qt2, .xinitrc? the x server conf file?
[12:08] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Virtuall: i was talkin about Doom 3 lolllllllllllll
[12:08] <jasoncohen> DaSkreech, if you aren't a developer you shouldn't be using breezy. it's unstable
[12:08] <fnd> i can think better than a game score, ohh wait i still run linux.. oh and OSX... must be bad
[12:08] <Antinomy> I've heard gentoo
[12:08] <qt2> Andares, install it, choose it in the session manager.
[12:08] <jasoncohen> and it's not meant for regular users
[12:08] <foxiness> Antinomy, suse 9.3
[12:09] <qt2> Andares, no, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:09] <Andares> qt2, I installed it manually.
[12:09] <Antinomy> is that a good one?
[12:09] <Andares> Don't I have to edit stuff first?
[12:09] <Virtuall> LuNaTiK^GuY, i was talkin bout 1st screen
[12:09] <Virtuall> ;)
[12:09] <Antinomy> suse 9.3 ok
[12:09] <DaSkreech> jasoncohen: Understood
[12:09] <benplaut> has anyone here successfully set up winetools with the wine cvs? (from the tutorial)
[12:09] <LuNaTiK^GuY> lol
[12:09] <jasoncohen> DaSkreech, downgrading something like xorg isn't going to be easy because of all of its dependencies.
[12:09] <Antinomy> hmmm....when is breezy coming out?
[12:09] <jasoncohen> you should be using hoary
[12:09] <Triffid_Hunter> Antinomy: i'm using it and i love it.. ubuntu started annoying me before it even started installing...
[12:09] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wot about Doom 3 wars.....Win performed better
[12:09] <jasoncohen> Antinomy, october
[12:09] <DaSkreech> jasoncohen: There are some Mono apps that work better under breezy that we are very interested in
[12:09] <Andares> qt2, don't I need to edit some conf file to get it to be recognized? I installed it to /usr/share
[12:09] <LuNaTiK^GuY> any explanation?
[12:09] <Antinomy> Triffid_Hunter: suse?
[12:09] <Antinomy> jasoncohen: cool, thanks
[12:09] <DaSkreech> jasoncohen: All of our machines run Ubuntu Hoary cept one
[12:10] <Triffid_Hunter> Antinomy: haven't tried suse
[12:10] <Antinomy> Triffid_Hunter: sorry which one? gentoo?
[12:10] <jasoncohen> DaSkreech, well, then you have to accept the instability and you should learn how to fix it yourself by reading the apt howto. you should be a knowledgable debian user
[12:10] <DaSkreech> Which isn't critical but when it breaks we like to fix it and document it to make life easier in the future :)
[12:10] <jasoncohen> if you came from sid it wouldn't be so bad
[12:10] <Triffid_Hunter> Antinomy: that's what i'm using, yeah..
[12:10] <benplaut> wine'd IE6 setup can't find an internet connection... any fix?
[12:10] <Antinomy> ok thanks
[12:10] <DaSkreech> Ah :-)
[12:10] <jasoncohen> DaSkreech, these things can be fixed but not easily
[12:10] <Antinomy> Just cant get UBU to work
[12:10] <DaSkreech> Sid vicious
[12:10] <jasoncohen> apt is meant to upgrade- not downgrade
[12:11] <jasoncohen> you would have to downgrade every package that depends on the new xorg version
[12:11] <DaSkreech> I'll use dpkg
[12:11] <jasoncohen> to the old version
[12:11] <LuNaTiK^GuY> benplaut: why use IE?
[12:11] <DaSkreech> I just removed them
[12:11] <jasoncohen> DaSkreech, what's wrong with mono 1.1.7 in backports?
[12:11] <benplaut> LuNaTiK: required for setting up Wine
[12:11] <LuNaTiK^GuY> oh ic
[12:11] <acid2> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[12:11] <zukalk> i have a friend i'm trying to convince to make The Switch, but he's working with Freehand and Flash and needs his tools. is there any alternative to Wine in Ubuntu?
[12:12] <acid2> What can I do about that? (Apt-get update error)
[12:12] <zukalk> i mean, is there any other program besides Macromedia's?
[12:12] <qt2> Andares, what WM is it?
[12:12] <qt2> WM/DE
[12:13] <Burgundavia> acid2, don't use marilliat. Hoary-extras from the backports project has the same packages, but compiled for hoary
[12:13] <kbrooks> !marillat
[12:13] <ubotu> kbrooks: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[12:13] <dkoh2> hi
[12:13] <kbrooks> !marilliat
[12:13] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, kbrooks
[12:13] <dkoh2> would you guys know how to connect to a hp printer via ip?
[12:13] <zukalk> !marillat is evil
[12:13] <ubotu> okay, zukalk
[12:13] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wot do u ppl prefer....Mac OS or Win ?
[12:13] <dkoh2> I have samba installed
[12:13] <bassinbo1> what game on ubuntu can i try out my joy stick on?
[12:14] <acid2> Burgundavia, ok
[12:14] <guerby> edi, after much looking around openvpn static ip per client is not ipp.txt, you have to uncomment client-config-dir ccd, create a openvpn/ccd directory with one file per client containing ifconfig-push IP1 IP2 from the authorized list of pairs. Then all works perfectly :)
[12:14] <psychonate> bassinbo1, tuxkart has support I believe
[12:14] <guerby> edi, thanks for your hint
[12:14] <foxiness> i want to install last ver of Mono 1.1.7  , but b4 that i want to uninstall 1.1.6 what i install it from souce package anyone can help please?!
[12:14] <fnd> dkoh2: FAQ on priniting
[12:14] <jasoncohen> zukalk, you might want to look at crossover office. it's a commercial application based on wine that is setup to work with applications like dreamweaver, shockwave, photoshop, office etc specifically
[12:14] <kbrooks> ubotu: marilliat is <reply>Please do not use marilliat. Hoary-extras from the backports project has the same packages in marilliat, but compiled for hoary
[12:14] <ubotu> kbrooks: okay
[12:14] <psychonate> I used to use an xbox controller with tuxkart.
[12:14] <LuNaTiK^GuY> foxiness.....ur coding in C#?
[12:14] <jasoncohen> zukalk, it's $40
[12:14] <kbrooks> ubotu: marilliat
[12:14] <ubotu> Please do not use marilliat. Hoary-extras from the backports project has the same packages in marilliat, but compiled for hoary
[12:14] <kbrooks> !marilliat
[12:15] <kbrooks> !marilliat
[12:15] <kbrooks> !marilliat
[12:15] <acid2> guerby, try make uninstall
[12:15] <kbrooks> !marilliat
[12:15] <acid2> ermm
[12:15] <acid2> foxiness, even
[12:15] <foxiness> LuNaTiK^GuY, no , i want to uninstall mono
[12:15] <zukalk> jasoncohen, thanks. are there programs made for Linux?
[12:15] <dkoh2> fnd: where is that faq?
[12:16] <jasoncohen> zukalk, no- they are windows programs that can run in crossover office. crossover office is basically a highly refined wine
[12:16] <LuNaTiK^GuY> is there some kind of uninstall script?
[12:16] <acid2> foxiness, if you built from source, try "make uninstall"
[12:16] <foxiness> acid2, k
[12:16] <acid2> maybe make remove, I think one of the exists in the Mono makefile
[12:16] <foxiness> thanks acid2
[12:16] <acid2> it work?
[12:16] <Luk> hola
[12:16] <fnd> dkoh2: this is where i hand over to ppl, tbh i dont know, looked at local help
[12:16] <tarvid> sorry for being such a pest but is there a way to chroot ssh users such that they can only see their directory
[12:16] <acid2> lo
[12:17] <foxiness> i will try it now and than will informed you
[12:17] <acid2> sure
[12:17] <umberleigh> hey, gnome's menu configuration system seems to be broken on my fresh hoary install. i goto applications:/// or applications-all-users:/// in nautilus and it tells me they're not valid locations. any idea how to fix it / what might be up?
[12:17] <jasoncohen> acid2, not all packages built from source have a make uninstall function
[12:17] <acid2> jasoncohen, I know
[12:17] <Luk> chile
[12:17] <acid2> I think mono has an uninstall target, thats all
[12:17] <zukalk> jasoncohen, thanks. let's see if i save his soul before microsuck get him
[12:17] <Luk> hola
[12:17] <jasoncohen> umberleigh, it's not broken. it just wasn't added to 2.10. there's no way to edit menus by default in 2.10
[12:17] <LuNaTiK^GuY> anyone ever tried XP/DE?
[12:18] <umberleigh> :'-(
[12:18] <Luk> ubuntu
[12:18] <Luk> bye
[12:18] <jasoncohen> umberleigh, add hoary-backports and install smeg
[12:18] <ColonelKernel> my power went out and now my /boot is 15% non-contiguous - how do I fix this?
[12:18] <jasoncohen> umberleigh, or download it directly
[12:18] <foxiness> LuNaTiK^GuY, me
[12:18] <mactiny> i seem to be gettting different reports, when exactly is breezy gonna come out
[12:18] <LuNaTiK^GuY> foxiness: is it good?
[12:18] <jasoncohen> umberleigh, http://www.realistanew.com/2005/03/18/gnome-menu-editor/
[12:18] <acid2> mactiny, october?
[12:18] <Burgundavia> mactiny, October 13, 2005
[12:18] <umberleigh> thanks jasoncohen
[12:18] <mactiny> oh ok
[12:18] <mactiny> thanks
[12:18] <phixion> anyone here ever have probs with Music Player when trying to open a few thousand mp3s?
[12:19] <acid2> nope
[12:19] <phixion> mine seems to stop adding them after a while :/
[12:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i never tried opening a few thousand lol!! :)
[12:19] <acid2> they have bad tags then
[12:19] <foxiness> LuNaTiK^GuY, the desktop working but not the app that with me
[12:19] <phixion> still says 'loading songs'
[12:19] <acid2> yea, clik
[12:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> foxiness: thanks
[12:19] <acid2> click*
[12:19] <BlazingSteakSauc> anyone know how to access a fat32 parition on ubuntu version 5.04?
[12:19] <acid2> and it will crash
[12:19] <acid2> you need to locate the bad files
[12:19] <ColonelKernel> my poor /boot!
[12:19] <phixion> how do i do that? ;/
[12:19] <foxiness> LuNaTiK^GuY, you are welcome :)
[12:19] <jasoncohen> phixion, rhythmbox? how are you adding them?
[12:19] <fnd> phixion: trya diff mp3 player
[12:19] <kbrooks> BlazingSteakSauc:
[12:19] <acid2> see the rhythmbox faq on the rhythm box website for more
[12:19] <ksyms> Is magic necessary to make X start without nolisten?
[12:19] <kbrooks> !mount
[12:19] <ubotu> from memory, mount is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[12:19] <jasoncohen> BlazingSteakSauc, add the partition to /etc/fstab
[12:20] <BlazingSteakSauc> that work for ntfs as well
[12:20] <BlazingSteakSauc> ?*
[12:20] <kbrooks> jasoncohen: use ubotu dude
[12:20] <ColonelKernel> is there anything I can do to fix my /boot - it is 15% non contiguous after a power outage - and im buying a UPS
[12:20] <phixion> yeah rhythm box
[12:20] <acid2> BlazingSteakSauc, yup
[12:20] <jasoncohen> phixion, did you go to library > add to library
[12:20] <kbrooks> BlazingSteakSauc: use ubotu
[12:20] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got dual boot so that helps
[12:20] <kbrooks> acid2: cut it
[12:20] <acid2> kbrooks, ... ?
[12:20] <jasoncohen> kbrooks, i didn't know about that one
[12:20] <phixion> yeah i added my mp3 folder to library when starting up
[12:20] <wing`> someone there can tell me why when i exit Enemy Territory (game) the X dekstop gets bigger (zoom), and how i can fix it without restarting?
[12:20] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got games and stuff on the ntfs so im not removing it
[12:20] <nalioths_dog> BlazingSteakSauc: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[12:20] <ColonelKernel> wing hit ctrl+alt++
[12:21] <ColonelKernel> hmm
[12:21] <jasoncohen> um, why?
[12:21] <ColonelKernel> ctrl_alt_+
[12:21] <BlazingSteakSauc> k
[12:21] <wing`> ok
[12:21] <wing`> thanks
[12:21] <kbrooks> acid2 and jasoncohen: I suggest you not make a user edit a configuration file
[12:21] <wing`> ill need to that always?
[12:21] <jasoncohen> nalioth_wrkn, they should mount automatically anyways with mount -a
[12:21] <acid2> when did i suggest that?
[12:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wowww
[12:21] <acid2> o.O
[12:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> this is nice!
[12:21] <nalioth_wrkn> phixion: depending on your hardware adding a few thousand to anything can slow things down
[12:21] <BlazingSteakSauc> i wish my files would work on it that are windows compat only
[12:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Ctrl Alt +/-
[12:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :)
[12:21] <phixion> im suprised if theres bad tags, even if I add my 'scene' folder with scene releases in it does the same
[12:21] <jasoncohen> nalioth_wrkn, and that's run at boot up
[12:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> WOW
[12:21] <ColonelKernel> wing` you shouldnt - I dont know why its doing that - what kind of video card?
[12:21] <umberleigh> how do i add backports to my repository? is it just a case of adding 'backports' as a sections keyword?
[12:21] <BlazingSteakSauc> wine don't seem to finction with them
[12:21] <wing`> ColonelKernel, geforce mx440-se
[12:22] <ColonelKernel> wing` it shouldnt be a problem
[12:22] <wing`> :|
[12:22] <nalioth> jasoncohen: ok
[12:22] <Burgundavia> umberleigh, not yet
[12:22] <jasoncohen> kbrooks, that's exactly what they'll be doing if they follow the wiki
[12:22] <Burgundavia> umberleigh, www.ubuntuforums.org has the info
[12:22] <flyingpenguin900> Is there a way that I could download and install Nvidia drivers from the terminal?
[12:22] <ColonelKernel> I run it on a mx4408xagp and it runs like a champ - maybe you dont have double buffering enabled or something
[12:22] <kbrooks> flyingpenguin900: yes
[12:22] <Burgundavia> flyingpenguin900, yes
[12:22] <acid2> flyingpenguin900, wget
[12:22] <umberleigh> thank
[12:22] <umberleigh> Burgundavia, thanks
[12:22] <flyingpenguin900> Could someone walk me through that?
[12:22] <Burgundavia> flyingpenguin900, you can apt-get them
[12:22] <LuNaTiK^GuY> flyingpenguin900:  sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[12:22] <droob> hi all.
[12:22] <wing`> ColonelKernel, do you know where i can find those settings?
[12:22] <acid2> or that
[12:22] <acid2> :D
[12:23] <foxiness> acid2, i found to folder for mono 1.0.6 and 1.1.6 i dont remember wich one i install , is there away to know it
[12:23] <jasoncohen> nalioth, auto is default. if you don't want it to mount you can add noauto
[12:23] <ColonelKernel> wing` in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:23] <droob> I'm a brand-new live CD users, and I'm pretty impressed.
[12:23] <acid2> fonsken, hmm.. "mono -v" ?
[12:23] <acid2> actually
[12:23] <BlazingSteakSauc> does the sandisk solid state usb sticks need drivers for ubuntu
[12:23] <acid2> "mono -V"
[12:23] <jasoncohen> umberleigh, no
[12:23] <darkmatter> g'afternoon all
[12:23] <acid2> maybe mcs -V
[12:23] <BlazingSteakSauc> im not on the os right now so can't try
[12:23] <kbrooks> BlazingSteakSauc: try it and see
[12:23] <jasoncohen> umberleigh, http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[12:23] <ColonelKernel> wing` in the Modules section
[12:23] <jasoncohen> umberleigh, look at the example hoary configuration
[12:24] <LuNaTiK^GuY> in 2 months i want to setup my ubuntu system to perfection
[12:24] <LuNaTiK^GuY> and impress my university buddies ;)
[12:24] <Andares> qt2!!!
[12:24] <foxiness> acid2, Mono JIT compiler version 1.0.6 , thanks
[12:24] <ColonelKernel> Im pretty sure mine is close
[12:24] <jasoncohen> umberleigh, "sudo echo "deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:24] <acid2> foxiness, :)
[12:24] <Andares> xorg.conf has NOTHING to do with desktop environments
[12:24] <ColonelKernel> I cant figure out how to get mythtv running
[12:24] <FlyingSquirrel32> I'm setting up an NIS server and reading the doc that comes with the debian. It says I should add "+::::::" to the end of my /etc/passwd and shadow. Any ideas why?
[12:25] <wing`> ColonelKernel, load dri still there, maybe is that? ill remove it
[12:25] <jasoncohen> umberleigh, then "sudo apt-get update"
[12:25] <ColonelKernel> wing` if youre using the nvidia driver it shoudl be commented out - that game must have ran like crap otherwise
[12:25] <jasoncohen> ColonelKernel, what's the problem? did you follow the guide on mythtv.org
[12:25] <ColonelKernel> jasoncohen yeah I did
[12:25] <jasoncohen> ColonelKernel, i just helped someone setup mythtv on ubuntu last night. i've been using mythtv for quite a while
[12:25] <droob> I've got a drive of unknown filesystem hooked up as slave on a firewire bridge. The master drive mounts, but this one doesn't. I know it's a working pull from a linux system. Any ideas?
[12:25] <jasoncohen> ColonelKernel, so, what's the problem?
[12:26] <wing`> ColonelKernel, im using hehe, i didnt even played the game... just enter and exit
[12:26] <BlazingSteakSauc> is there a way to ghost a already installed windows to allow the programs to work with out wine?
[12:26] <ColonelKernel> i was just tired it was late last night, Ill figure it out once I get my /boot fixed
[12:26] <FlyingSquirrel32> ColonelKernel: I fought with that and gave up. Of course I had a NVidia to complicate things.
[12:26] <IcemanV9> LuNaTiK^GuY: make sure you have everything installed that your college buddies threw at ya! THEN, they'll be impressed! ;)
[12:26] <ColonelKernel> I have an Nvidia as well
[12:26] <jasoncohen> what's wrong with nvidia
[12:26] <jasoncohen> it's actually recommended
[12:26] <ColonelKernel> tvtime works well but it needs better deinterlacing
[12:26] <LuNaTiK^GuY> IcemanV9: thats a bit tough :(
[12:26] <phixion> well, i finally got azureus working after installing the website version instead of apt-get :) so im happy
[12:26] <ColonelKernel> I love nvidia and linux
[12:26] <jasoncohen> ColonelKernel, mythtv is not for watching tv. it's a full blown PVR app + more
[12:26] <LuNaTiK^GuY> IcemanV9: Visual Studio, Dirext X games
[12:27] <foxiness> acid2, thanks its now uninstall suff....
[12:27] <ColonelKernel> all I want to do is watch tv with the best possible picture
[12:27] <jasoncohen> it's not worth the setup as a viewer
[12:27] <FlyingSquirrel32> jasoncohen, really? I wish I were at home, I'd give it another round.
[12:27] <IcemanV9> LuNaTiK^GuY: well, you have TWO months to figure it out. :p
[12:27] <ColonelKernel> tvtime is close but needs improvement
[12:27] <ColonelKernel> somene ought to tell vektor to add tomsmocomp2
[12:27] <FlyingSquirrel32> ColonelKernel, jasoncohen: I used TVTime
[12:27] <othernoob> does anyone know a better program than unrar to extract multiple rar files which are split up into several files?
[12:27] <flyingpenguin900> Is there some sort of nvidia command that edits the Xorg.conf?
[12:27] <LuNaTiK^GuY> IcemanV9: 2 months to do wot i did in 10yrs lol :)
[12:27] <FlyingSquirrel32> jasoncohen: very easy to set up
[12:28] <jasoncohen> FlyingSquirrel32, yes, i have mythtv setup so that i can schedule recordings on the web, watch my movies with IMDB info + dvd covers + info, record all my shows + auto-skip commercials and denoise for higher quality. i can play DVDs and my music, check weather etc.
[12:28] <LuNaTiK^GuY> IcemanV9: well we can rule out games...this is for student work :)
[12:28] <jasoncohen> FlyingSquirrel32, tvtime is just a simple viewer
[12:28] <jasoncohen> mythtv isn't
[12:28] <foxiness> http://patches.ximian.com/Ubuntu_Installation , any one here try beagle on ubuntu "is this link the best way to install it"
[12:28] <LuNaTiK^GuY> is there a Mono Binary?
[12:28] <IcemanV9> LuNaTiK^GuY: yeah. too bad about games. :(
[12:28] <jasoncohen> mythtv is a PVR suite that has a backend server and a mysql database
[12:28] <LuNaTiK^GuY> that can be installed by runnnig a script?
[12:28] <flyingpenguin900> Was I supposed to remove ati drivers before installing Nvidia drivers?
[12:28] <ColonelKernel> flyingpenguin900 use nano and its not an nvidia command - if yorue xorg.conf got overwritten it means there was a problem loading your driver and it overwrote your xorg.conf with a safe default and backed your old one up to xorg.conf.backup
[12:28] <FlyingSquirrel32> jasoncohen: I imagine Myth is worth the work.
[12:28] <ColonelKernel> flyingpenguin900 yes.
[12:28] <Chris_Tucker> what are .dsc's?
[12:28] <droob> othernoob: is unrar not working?
[12:29] <jasoncohen> it can support multiple tuners, commercial detection, dvd transcoding, access from the web
[12:29] <DaSkreech> Can you apt-get myth?
[12:29] <jasoncohen> FlyingSquirrel32, yes it is
[12:29] <LuNaTiK^GuY> IcemanV9: is there a mono binary....with a simple ./configure make makeinstall script?
[12:29] <flyingpenguin900> ColonelKernel, how would I remove the ati drivers?
[12:29] <jasoncohen> DaSkreech, yeah, 0.17 is in ubuntu but it requires quite a bit of setup
[12:29] <ColonelKernel> flyingpenguin900 I dont know
[12:29] <jasoncohen> mythtv.org
[12:29] <acid2> LuNaTiK^GuY, svn has that method
[12:29] <darkmatter> Is there a .deb for Clearlooks 0.6.2 under Hoary?
[12:29] <othernoob> droob: well, not really.. i have 26 files which are again split into 15 files..and it won't let me unrar e *.rar
[12:29] <LuNaTiK^GuY> svn?
[12:29] <acid2> subversion
[12:29] <jasoncohen> darkmatter, i think backports has it
[12:29] <LuNaTiK^GuY> acid2: wots svn?
[12:29] <othernoob> droob: i have to type the name for each of em..which sucks
[12:29] <acid2> cept its ./autogen.sh make make install
[12:30] <ColonelKernel> how do I fix non-contiguous data on my /boot?
[12:30] <jasoncohen> darkmatter, Package: gtk2-engines-clearlooks
[12:30] <jasoncohen> Version: 0.6.2-1~5.04ubp1
[12:30] <droob> othernoob: you could do it mini-shell script style.
[12:30] <ColonelKernel> bbl
[12:30] <FlyingSquirrel32> What effect would adding "+::::::" have at the end of /etc/passwd?
[12:30] <darkmatter> jasoncohen: I've updated all my backports and can't seem to find it.
[12:31] <othernoob> droob: like?
[12:31] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'm updating all my system
[12:31] <IcemanV9> LuNaTiK^GuY: yep, it is in universe
[12:31] <LuNaTiK^GuY> installed kubuntu from scratch
[12:31] <Chris_Tucker> how could i have apt-get download things and store them but not install?
[12:31] <akk> FlyingSquirrel32: Makes it look at NIS for further password information.
[12:31] <LuNaTiK^GuY> univers ok :)
[12:31] <darkmatter> all i get listed is the 0.5 version
[12:31] <jasoncohen> darkmatter, dists/hoary-backports-staging/main/
[12:31] <jasoncohen> darkmatter, it's still in staging. wait a week or so
[12:31] <darkmatter> tthanks
[12:32] <FlyingSquirrel32> akk: Oh. Which would take priority for a machine, the local entry or the NIS?
[12:32] <kbrooks> Chris_Tucker: *looks*
[12:32] <dkoh2> does anyone know who to print to a windows networked printer? I've got samba installed
[12:32] <FlyingSquirrel32> akk: (If the entry exists on both)
[12:32] <dkoh2> *how
[12:32] <LuNaTiK^GuY> anyway....my priority is Java...and i got netbeans running ok :) kdevelop is ok for c/c++....so now i'll get mono too :)
[12:32] <Chris_Tucker> and -d
[12:32] <jasoncohen> darkmatter, what's so great about 0.6.2?
[12:32] <flyingpenguin900> In order for Xorg to use the Nvidia drivers wouldn't Xorg.conf have to be configured to use the Nvidia drivers?
[12:32] <Chris_Tucker> *ah
[12:32] <kbrooks> Chris_Tucker: -d
[12:32] <Chris_Tucker> apt-get -d
[12:32] <kbrooks> :P
[12:32] <Chris_Tucker> yes
[12:32] <kbrooks> no
[12:33] <kbrooks> apt-get <option> -d ...
[12:33] <darkmatter> nothing really. just can't get some of the newer themes to skin synaptic with 0.5
[12:33] <droob> othernoob: if it's just a matter of running unrar 26 times, might be easier to just do that.
[12:34] <akk> FlyingSquirrel32: I think it goes by order in the file, so if the NIS is at the end, the local ones take priority.
[12:34] <othernoob> droob: well yes, am at file 10 right now, but it's annoying as fuck..so, would you know a better cli prog to unrar files like these?
[12:34] <droob> is there a way to tell what filesystem an unmounted but connected disk uses?
[12:34] <FlyingSquirrel32> akk: Ahhh. Makes sense. Thanks.
[12:35] <delire> droob: no
[12:35] <akk> FlyingSquirrel32: It's documented, somewhere, I'm sure, but I forget where ... maybe in man 5 passwd?
[12:35] <droob> hrm.
[12:35] <flyingpenguin900> How do uninstall ati drivers?
[12:36] <FlyingSquirrel32> jasoncohen: How long will you be around here? I might give myth another try if I knew I had some backup.
[12:36] <Chris_Tucker> woot its working :)
[12:36] <umberleigh> jasoncohen: i'm getting "http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary/hoary-backports/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found" etc.
[12:36] <kbrooks> ah
[12:37] <kbrooks> less -E
[12:37] <umberleigh> when updating
[12:37] <LuNaTiK^GuY> how can i add repositories in kynaptic?
[12:38] <DaSkreech> LuNaTiK^GuY: As far as I know you have to do it manually
[12:38] <darkmatter> umberleigh:mirrormax hastroubles on and off. servers probably backed up. try again later
[12:38] <umberleigh> also: i had to add the repository in synaptic, sudo didn't like ">>" (i remember reading something in the docs about this, but i don't recall the workaround)
[12:38] <LuNaTiK^GuY> DaSkreech: which file?
[12:38] <IcemanV9> LuNaTiK^GuY: /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:39] <delire> DaSkreech: i would have thought kynaptic offered the same interface that synaptic offers for adding repos..?
[12:39] <DaSkreech> Nope
[12:39] <umberleigh> darkmatter: k
[12:39] <delire> odd
[12:39] <DaSkreech> It's an great example of a subset :-)
[12:39] <Chris_Tucker> any way i can override apt-get asking "do you want to continue?" --force-yes isnt overriding this
[12:39] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: perhaps try kpackage instead. my students find it very easy to use.
[12:40] <LuNaTiK^GuY> kpackage?
[12:40] <DekaPink> Anyone know any fun games for linux? xD
[12:40] <LuNaTiK^GuY> from where do i get it?
[12:41] <Chris_Tucker> ut2k4 :P
[12:41] <othernoob> DekaPink: minesweeper
[12:41] <DekaPink> othernoob: I suck at minesweeper. xD
[12:41] <foxiness> see you guys time to go
[12:41] <Triffid_Hunter> DekaPink: ut2004
[12:41] <droob> othernoob: beware my crappy, long unused shell skeeelz. try something like " find . -name "*html" -print | xargs unrar"
[12:41] <poningru> anyone know what the command is for bittornado?
[12:41] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: apt-get install kpackage
[12:42] <droob> othernoob: except with a string to find the first .rar file instead of "html"
[12:42] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire ur a lecturer?
[12:42] <cavediver> Hey, can someone tell me if the brown color shown before the wallpaper is shown, is hardcoded into some script. Can't change it. I set the desktop-color to blue. But still I get, brown - blue and then the wallpaper
[12:42] <nalioth> poningru: believe it's just 'bittornado'
[12:42] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: yes
[12:42] <Chris_Tucker> any way i can override apt-get asking "do you want to continue?" --force-yes isnt overriding this
[12:42] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire: may i ask wot field?
[12:42] <cavediver> Chris_Tucker: -y
[12:42] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: computer game development and design
[12:42] <cavediver> apt-get -y update i think
[12:42] <DekaPink> Oooooh... I've never played UT~
[12:42] <FlyingSquirrel32> akk: I'm a bit of a noob, but I don't see the value of shadow files. If a person can steal the passwd, wouldn't it be just as easy to get the shadow?
[12:42] <Chris_Tucker> thanks cavediver
[12:42] <othernoob> droob: i'm almost done, but I'll try your suggestion the next time, won't be too long ;)
[12:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire: gosh!! we dont have that in malta :( :( :(
[12:43] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: i'm sure it won't be long ;)
[12:43] <droob> othernoob: you're unrar-ing research papers and bible study, right?
[12:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire: Why?
[12:43] <othernoob> droob: less bible study, more research
[12:43] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: games are everywhere. uni degrees in game development spread with them. some areas take more time than others.
[12:44] <akk> FlyingSquirrel32: I tend to think so too. I said yes to them this last time, but honestly I don't think it makes much difference.
[12:44] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire: but in malta....most businesses are concerned with the usual Databases, payrolls, networks.....nobody ever pointed to gaming :(
[12:44] <flyingpenguin900> What exactly do I need to apt-get to install nvidia kernel module on my machine?
[12:44] <FlyingSquirrel32> akk: If I set up NIS, will my shadow files with the encrypted passwords be flying around the network?
[12:44] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: well give them a kick in the arse then ;) it's a booming industry and it's not slowing down..
[12:45] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire: too much political interests in our Uni :(
[12:45] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: shame
[12:45] <akk> FlyingSquirrel32: It's been about 10 years since I last used NIS for anything, I don't think I'm really your person for NIS questions.
[12:45] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire: YES!
[12:45] <cavediver> Noone know how to change that colour ?
[12:45] <FlyingSquirrel32> othernoob: cool, I thought I was the only guy around here that did bible study :) What religion?
[12:46] <thingfish> you mean denomination.
[12:46] <akk> FlyingSquirrel32: But if you set up the machine as a server, and serve the directory containing the shadow file, and make it world readable, then yeah.
[12:46] <nalioth> ok fellas, we are getting off topic
[12:46] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire: for ex. lately M$ released some of its S/W to students at very very cheap prices in malta.....as a result the government is forced to employ M$ stuff in education...Linux is UNHEARD of :(
[12:46] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: the usual story..
[12:46] <thingfish> Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, are religions.  Baptist, Presbyterian, Greek Orthodox, are denominations.
[12:46] <othernoob> FlyingSquirrel32: buddhism ;)
[12:47] <flyingpenguin900> Ok, how would I find the name of what I need to apt-get to install nvidia kernel on my machine?
[12:47] <Burgundavia> thingfish, othernoob this is completely offtopic, plase find it elsewhere
[12:47] <FlyingSquirrel32> akk: well, we'll see if I can make it work, and then harden afterward. In the LinuxJournal article they coupled it with kerberos. I might have to do the same
[12:47] <Burgundavia> s/fine/take
[12:47] <thingfish> so sorry folks
[12:47] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: linux sysadmins are very highly sought after these days. spend a year learning and become indispensable in malta.
[12:47] <Burgundavia> flyingpenguin900, you need to apt-get nvidia-glx, it should get everything you need
[12:47] <FlyingSquirrel32> othernoob: never would have guessed it. :D
[12:47] <Burgundavia> flyingpenguin900, then you need to follow wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:48] <flyingpenguin900> Burgundavia, thanks I will try that
[12:48] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: linux sysadmins earn nearly twice that of MSCE admins here in scandinavia.
[12:48] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire: yes its wot i want to do now....the only honest lecturer is takin a lot of interest in me and 2 friends when we showed him we're ready to go against all norms and use Linux :)
[12:48] <droob> more "mystery disk" fun: when I run "sudo fdisk -l", I see the master drive on the FW bridge, and my PB's drive, but not the slave.
[12:49] <othernoob> Burgundavia: how are you today?
[12:49] <bulb> my hoary achieved kernel panick after upgrade
[12:49] <FlyingSquirrel32> akk: another related thing, a little less NIS. If I set up a kerberos server on a network with M$ servers, will it interfere with the kerberos that the domain controllers run?
[12:49] <Burgundavia> othernoob, not bad
[12:49] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire: another lecturer nearly threatened to fail me :(
[12:49] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: good on you. linux is the fastest growing OS. you can't go wrong.
[12:49] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: hmm
[12:49] <bulb> booted now up with knoppix.
[12:49] <bulb> i could chroot, but how can i find my harddrives?
[12:49] <othernoob> Burgundavia: that's completely offtopic, take it elsewhere ;)
[12:49] <Burgundavia> othernoob, right, knew that was coming
[12:49] <delire> bulb: fdisk -l and see what's there
[12:49] <othernoob> Burgundavia: good
[12:49] <thingfish> hehe
[12:50] <akk> FlyingSquirrel32: I don't have a clue. I'm not the right person to be asking stuff like that.
[12:50] <LuNaTiK^GuY> linux is a nice platform......i'll c wot i can do with it :)
[12:50] <darkmatter> cavediver: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13055
[12:50] <bulb> delire: absolutely no answers
[12:50] <FlyingSquirrel32> akk: thanks anyway I'll go ask in #Linux
[12:50] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: hehe i've been using it for a long time and still amazed at the extensibility and flexibility of Linux.
[12:51] <delire> bulb: odd. type 'mount'
[12:51] <phixion> decent cd / dvd burning apps for gnome? :)
[12:51] <cavediver> darkmatter: thank you
[12:51] <darkmatter> no problem
[12:52] <bulb> /dev/root on / type ext2 (rw)
[12:52] <bulb> is that is?
[12:52] <delire> bulb: are you using knoppix?
[12:52] <bulb> yes
[12:52] <bulb> machine won't boot
[12:52] <fagr> can't i just log to other distro using ssh
[12:53] <fagr> i opened port 22 and still it say connection refused
[12:53] <darkmatter> phixion: gnomebaker, graveman! and serpentine.
[12:53] <delire> bulb: ahah. try a 'mount -a' or see if you can find your other disks in the KDE devices menu and mount them. fdisk -l should have given you output i would have thought however.
[12:54] <flyingpenguin900> Burgundavia, that webpage you directed me to told me to run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable , but when I did it said the Xorg.conf has been modified cannot proceed
[12:54] <Burgundavia> flyingpenguin900, you can hand-edit the Xorg.conf
[12:54] <flyingpenguin900> Burgundavia, so I generated a new one by running Xorgconfig but same error
[12:54] <flyingpenguin900> Burgundavia, what do I need to do?
[12:54] <phixion> thankyou darkmatter
[12:54] <Burgundavia> I own an ATI card, and have not set up any nvidia cards
[12:54] <darkmatter> your welcome
[12:54] <delire> flyingpenguin900: sounds like an annoying problem you have there..
[12:55] <atila> hi all; anyone offer an URL to download UT2K4 demo ? ? ? (but not the orginal site)
[12:55] <Antinomy> If I create a partition without a mount point, will linux see it?
[12:55] <Burgundavia> flyingpenguin900, ask here if someone has the same card as you
[12:55] <bulb> mount - a gives me "mount: mount point 0 does not exist"
[12:55] <flyingpenguin900> delire, extremely...
[12:55] <flyingpenguin900> Anyone here have a nvidia 6600gt that can help me set up my Xorg.conf
[12:55] <delire> Antinomy: fdisk -l will see it, but to use it it will need to be mounted.
[12:55] <_andrea> anyway
[12:56] <Antinomy> delire: can I mount it from within linux once it's up and running?
[12:56] <delire> bulb: are you sure your other harddisks are plugged in and running?
[12:56] <delire> Antinomy: yes, of course.
[12:56] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'll enjoy a day of ubuntu configuration tomorrow ;)
[12:56] <LuNaTiK^GuY> slowly and surely ;)
[12:56] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: ;) that's the spirit.
[12:56] <bulb> maybe i should check
[12:56] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'm tired now ;)
[12:56] <Chris_Tucker> whats the paste keyboard shortcut in terminal?
[12:56] <Antinomy> delire: thanks!
[12:56] <bulb> but what else could give me kernel panick :)
[12:56] <delire> Antinomy: anytime.
[12:56] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire: sure :) 10x
[12:56] <Antinomy> delire: one more ?
[12:56] <maddler> Chris_Tucker: shift+ins
[12:56] <Chris_Tucker> thanks maddler
[12:56] <delire> Antinomy: sure
[12:57] <maddler> Chris_Tucker: np
[12:57] <atila> hi all; anyone offer an URL to download UT2K4 demo ? ? ? (but not the orginal site)
[12:57] <akk> Ick! Running gnome-font-properties just blew away my gtk key bindings (emacs) even in running apps.
[12:57] <akk> How do I change them back and notify the current apps?
[12:57] <bulb> but i'll try that. thanks anyway, delire!
[12:57] <Antinomy> delire: my x86 install of ubu wont see my keyboard. If I plug in an external key board (its a laptop) and I get in, can I fix the internal keyboard from within linux?
[12:57] <maddler> Antinomy: which laptop?
[12:58] <delire> atila: http://www.3ddownloads.com/linuxgames/ut2k4/demo
[12:58] <atila> thanks delire :-)
[12:58] <Antinomy> maddler: compaq presario r4000 seriesAMD Athlon 64
[12:58] <delire> Antinomy: yes, what laptop?
[12:58] <Antinomy> maddler: compaq presario r4000 seriesAMD Athlon 64
[12:58] <Antinomy> delire
[12:58] <atila> ubuntu RuLeZ :-) lol
[12:58] <Antinomy> delire
[12:58] <Antinomy> maddler: compaq presario r4000 seriesAMD Athlon 64
[12:58] <Antinomy> sorry
[12:59] <delire> Antinomy: AMD64 with an x86 install??
[12:59] <atila> bye -all
[12:59] <delire> ciao
[12:59] <maddler> Antinomy: why do use an x86 cd then?
[12:59] <Antinomy> delire: yes, several ubu experts have told me to do it this way...
[12:59] <maddler> ?!
[12:59] <delire> sounds odd
[12:59] <Antinomy> delire: that it would be better like that
[12:59] <maddler> better?
[12:59] <delire> Antinomy: it will cause all sorts of problems.
[12:59] <FlyingSquirrel32> akk: The reason shadow is different is that normally only root can read it, whereas anyone can read passwd.
[12:59] <Antinomy> delire:  forum moderator told me this, some sort of media thing
[01:00] <Antinomy> delire: I'll paste the URL
[01:00] <delire> Antinomy: it's a vastly different architecture. send me the URL yep.
[01:00] <maddler> Antinomy: btw... check on www.linux-on-laptops.com/compaq.html
[01:00] <maddler> maybe yopu could find some hint
[01:00] <delire> maddler: good call
[01:01] <maddler> delire: :)
[01:01] <nalioth> Antinomy: how are we today?
[01:01] <maddler> beside that... I can't really see the point of installing the "wrong" distro...
[01:01] <poningru> how come abc is not availble through the repository?
[01:01] <Antinomy> nalioth hehehhe
[01:01] <Antinomy> delire: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50553&highlight=antinomy
[01:01] <delire> ok
[01:02] <Antinomy> nalioth things have gotten strange, my friend
[01:02] <nalioth> Antinomy: makes life interesting
[01:02] <Antinomy> nalioth:http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51067&highlight=antinomy
[01:03] <Antinomy> nalioth you got dat right
[01:03] <occy> besides the ubuntupc guys.... who else sells Ubuntu based workstations?
[01:03] <maddler> Antinomy: the only real thing... is the missing flash plugin...
[01:03] <maddler> occy: if you live close to rome (.it) me... :)
[01:03] <maddler> gh
[01:03] <occy> maddler, heh
[01:03] <delire> Antinomy: you're right, you were advised to use the x86 version. odd..
[01:04] <Antinomy> maddler, nalioth, delire: Here's the kicker: I tried doing the 64 install, it tells me it needs me to burn the CD at slower speeds cuz it cant grab dsbutils or something
[01:04] <delire> Antinomy: it will run, but i thought it would have been good awful slow for packages compiled for 64bit
[01:04] <z|bandito> what package installs Tcl?
[01:04] <z|bandito> and how can i find this information in the future? :)
[01:04] <DaSkreech> Google!!
[01:04] <DaSkreech> :-)
[01:05] <maddler> http://packages.ubuntu.com
[01:05] <maddler> :)
[01:05] <z|bandito> =\
[01:05] <maddler> and... yes... google! :D
[01:05] <delire> Antinomy: right.. well anyway, this is unrelated to the keyboard problem, which should be trivial to fix once booted.
[01:05] <nalioth> Antinomy: good advice
[01:05] <delire> nalioth: impressive the installer mentions this.
[01:06] <wing`> anyone there who can help me with XQF? its working ok, but when i added my own server he dont find it (9999). but they are certainly online
[01:06] <Strife> so I was trying to mess around with ACPI so I could get suspend working on my laptop... by following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryPM?highlight=%28acpi%29
[01:06] <Strife> the problem is
[01:06] <nalioth> Antinomy: you'll get more usability out of the i686 arch
[01:06] <Strife> that when I did sudo update-grub like it suggested, that screwed everything up
[01:06] <delire> z|bandito: 'apt-cache search keyword'.. select package from list 'apt-cache show packagename'
[01:06] <Strife> I used to have a kernel option vga=771
[01:06] <Strife> which got overwritten
[01:07] <Strife> and now I can't get it to actually work again
[01:07] <maddler> Strife: edit menu.lst
[01:07] <Flying-Penguin> Triffid_Hunter: this is the linux computer I am working on... I changed driver from nv to nvidia and then I tryed to run glxgears and I got an error (its small so can I pm you?)
[01:07] <maddler> man grub :)
[01:07] <Strife> maddler: clearly... but why doesn't the default kopt actually work?
[01:07] <delire> z|bandito: in your case, 'apt-cache search tcl' (CLI) or search for it using synaptic (GUI)
[01:07] <z|bandito> thanks
[01:07] <Strife> and furthermore, why does a Wiki HOWTO give a wrong step?
[01:08] <maddler> Strife: ask wiki's author...
[01:08] <Strife> okay, well in addition to the vga thing....
[01:08] <Strife> I can't play DVDs now either
[01:08] <delire> Strife: problematic yes.. your responsibility to mention this if you are sure the step is wrong and mention it to the author.
[01:08] <maddler> :)
[01:08] <Burgundavia> maddler, which wiki page are you referring to?
[01:08] <Strife> I'm hoping that if I fix that, then it will work again
[01:08] <Strife> because I didn't change ANYTHING else
[01:08] <Flying-Penguin> Triffid_Hunter: ARE YOU THERE?
[01:08] <Strife> I didn't even install/uninstall software
[01:08] <delire> lol 'Triffid_Hunter'
[01:09] <Triffid_Hunter> Flying-Penguin: you'll need the nvidia-glx stuff as well to run opengl apps
[01:09] <Antinomy> thanks guys we'll see in am inute or two
[01:09] <Antinomy> minute, even
[01:09] <Flying-Penguin> Triffid_Hunter: let me talk to you in "##linux" as it seems you talk in there more
[01:09] <delire> tis late. night all.
[01:09] <Triffid_Hunter> hehe ask here for the ubuntu specifics, i just know the general linux pieces you need ;)
[01:10] <stabfacekill> can someone help explaing to me what kunbuntu is I know its like kde gui but why would I want it? or not want it?
[01:10] <Burgundavia> stabfacekill, kubuntu is ubuntu with a kde interface
[01:10] <Triffid_Hunter> stabfacekill: cos some people prefer kde over gnome
[01:11] <stabfacekill> is there a significant difference?
[01:11] <Burgundavia> stabfacekill, if you have never used linux before, you can try kde, you might like it
[01:11] <nalioth> stabfacekill: kde and gnome are desktop managers with kde following the human interface guidelines that microsoft follows, and gnome following the HIG that apple follows
[01:11] <stabfacekill> ah I'm more comfortable with windows so odd's are that I should stick to gnome
[01:12] <stabfacekill> ok question two is there a way to put some sort of skin on the gnome icons?
[01:12] <jpoe> stabfacekill:  KDE is more like windows than Gnome
[01:12] <darkmatter> stabfacekill, it just depens on the desktop you prefer. kde tends towards using A LOT of wizards.
[01:13] <Andares> How do I change my desktop environment from Gnome to <insert environment here>?
[01:13] <z|bandito> apt-get tells me that tcl is installed, but when i do locate libtcl.so i get no results..
[01:13] <jnk> Andares, you install the other env and choose it at the login prompt
[01:13] <DaSkreech> Like a kUbunutDesktop>
[01:13] <darkmatter> and the default config looks similar to win 95
[01:13] <Andares> jnk, what does "installing it" entail?
[01:13] <Andares> I'm not using a debian package.
[01:13] <DaSkreech> Andares: Apt-get <env>
[01:13] <z|bandito> how can i find the tcl installation?  or am I doing something else wrong?
[01:14] <DaSkreech> z|bandito: Are you in a GUI?
[01:14] <Andares> DaSkreech, xpde doesn't have a debian package.
[01:14] <stabfacekill> themse don't apply to everything, and is there a way I can make windows transparent?
[01:14] <z|bandito> no, i'm logged in via ssh
[01:14] <jnk> Andares, if you like the command line, you use apt-get or aptitude, if not you use the synaptic package manager or something like that. Either way what you do is telling the system "install this environment" and it does it for you
[01:14] <DaSkreech> ok try sudo apt-get update
[01:14] <Andares> jnk Andares, if you like the command line, you use apt-get or aptitude, if not you use the synaptic package manager or something like that. Either way what you do is telling the system "install this environment" and it does it for you
[01:14] <Andares> DaSkreech, xpde doesn't have a debian package.
[01:14] <DaSkreech> then apt-cache search Tcl
[01:14] <Andares> Tcl?
[01:14] <DaSkreech> Andares: xp What-now?
[01:14] <Andares> oh.
[01:15] <z|bandito> heh
[01:15] <Andares> DAC1138, xpde.
[01:15] <jpoe> stabfacekill:  For transparancy search www.ubuntuforums.org for transset
[01:15] <Andares> *DaS
[01:15] <z|bandito> :)
[01:15] <stabfacekill> thanks
[01:15] <Andares> *DaSkreech
[01:15] <DaSkreech> Andares: Yes?
[01:15] <nuky> hey guys, i was wandering if you could help me with something.. i'm trying to install my external hard drive and i've gone through lots of tutorials and installed a few usb packages and finally now it shows when i do lsusb as
[01:15] <nuky> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0402:5621 ALi Corp. USB 2.0 Storage Device
[01:15] <nuky> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 046d:c501 Logitech, Inc. Cordless Mouse Receiver
[01:15] <nuky> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[01:15] <Andares> DaSkreech Andares: xp What-now? XPDE.
[01:15] <nuky> sorry, i didn't realise that would be multiple lines
[01:15] <DaSkreech> As in teh Windows XP Desktop Environment?
[01:16] <Andares> DaSkreech, yep.
[01:16] <DaSkreech> Ah
[01:16] <Andares> It's for Linux.
[01:16] <DaSkreech> Andares: As in the Fisher Price interface?
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> nuky : mkdir /mnt/01 ; mount /dev/sd? /mnt/01 where ? defers to something a b c d e f ect should do
[01:16] <Andares> DaSkreech, er.. what?
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> dmesg | grep sd
[01:16] <nuky> just wanted to know if anyone knew where i could find the device to mount it? i'vetried the mount command but it doesn't recognise the
[01:16] <flyingpenguin_> Triffid_Hunter: sorry my internet cut out...
[01:16] <flyingpenguin_> Triffid_Hunter: you said I need the nvidia-glx stuff what did you mean?
[01:17] <darkmatter> DaSkreech: If you like how Windows crashes, xpde will make you feel right at home ;)
[01:17] <nuky> ah.. cool.. trying it out now.. thanks
[01:17] <Andares> darkmatter, huh? Is it unstable or something?
[01:17] <Triffid_Hunter> exactly that.. you need opengl drivers to run opengl apps...
[01:17] <darkmatter> just a little buggy
[01:17] <Andares> I am just going to go INSANE if I don't get something like w32.
[01:18] <DaSkreech> Andares: Never heard of XPDE maybe one of the more adventurous can help
[01:18] <flyingpenguin_> Triffid_Hunter: ARE YOU THERE?
[01:18] <nalioth> Andares: xpde is a spittin image of windoze DM for linux
[01:18] <Andares> DaSkreech, You can still help me. Where does Ubuntu keep its list of desktop environments and where can I select different ones?
[01:18] <Andares> nalioth, I know.
[01:18] <Andares> I downloaded it!
[01:18] <nalioth> Andares: search using synaptic
[01:18] <PurpleBlu> is there any reason why my Samba is just sitting at the Loading screen?
[01:18] <Andares> nalioth, er..
[01:18] <darkmatter> Andares: it's actually better looking than xp
[01:19] <Andares> XPDE is not in APT!
[01:19] <buzzzz> Hi, I'm planning an install of ubuntu on a machine with an intel processor with EM64T, and it seems that I can install the AMD64 version, but my question is can I still install an i386 version of a package if the equivalent ia64 package doesn't exist?
[01:19] <z|bandito> i needed the tk8.4-dev package
[01:19] <Andares> darkmatter, I know.
[01:19] <z|bandito> i might have gotten away with just tcl8.4-dev which was required for tk8.4-dev
[01:19] <schasi> buzzzz: search for amd64 chroot
[01:19] <schasi> I dont think theres another way
[01:19] <Andares> How do I _manually install_ a window manager? I just need to know that!
[01:19] <schasi> But i _dont_ know
[01:20] <z|bandito> trying to build eggdrop from source on hoary install FYI :)  thanks for the help
[01:20] <nalioth> buzzzz: the pkg can be built easily from the source repositories
[01:20] <darkmatter> Andares: is the package a deb or a source?
[01:20] <Andares> darkmatter, source and binary.
[01:20] <Andares> no den
[01:20] <Andares> *deb
[01:20] <nuky> hmmmm... i tried sda, sdb, sdc,etc... up to g but none of them exist.. how do i find out what it is? i only have one other hard disk.. the internal one, so shouldn't it be sdb?
[01:20] <Andares> it's a .tar.bz2 that extracts to /bin and /src
[01:21] <Andares> and includes an INSTALL file that does not apply to Debian.
[01:21] <Andares> Since there is no .xinitrc file in Ubuntu apparently.
[01:21] <mike> is there a way you can get a list of all programs you installed (post-base installation?)
[01:21] <darkmatter> Andares: extract to a directory of your choice
[01:21] <buzzzz> nalioth: I know, I used debian ages ago... but I did enough compiling when i was using gentoo... I'm switching to get away from compiling stuff :)
[01:21] <darkmatter> then cd to the directory
[01:21] <nalioth> mike: use synaptic and filter with "installed"
[01:21] <jnk> mike, dpkg --get-selections (but that really all pacakges installed)
[01:22] <Andares> darkmatter, ...
[01:22] <mike> thanks
[01:22] <Andares> /usr/share, but HOW DO I GET THE XSERVER TO LOAD IT?!
[01:22] <Andares> Z.z
[01:22] <samurai7> can anybody help tell me how can i install libgcc1 >=1:4.0.0.7 , because when i try it whit ap-get it says that i already have the newest version , but i have the 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 ?
[01:22] <stevenj> ok I upgraded (security updates) firefox (hoary) and now firefox craxhes when I open extensions?!?
[01:22] <Andares> Sorry, I'm a bit stressed here.
[01:22] <darkmatter> ./configure --prefix=/usr
[01:22] <nalioth> buzzzz: afaik, any pkgs avail for i386 but not _64 would have to be build (apt does it automajically)
[01:22] <Andares> darkmatter, no configure file.
[01:22] <darkmatter> huh?
[01:23] <Andares> General installation instructions:
[01:23] <Andares>  -Decompress the tar.gz in /usr/share as root
[01:23] <Andares>  -Edit the .xinitrc file of the user you want to run XPde and put this line:
[01:23] <Andares>  /usr/share/xpde/bin/startxpde
[01:23] <Andares>  -Start X
[01:23] <nuky> would it be from the /dev/? the drive that is?
[01:23] <Andares> slocate cannot locate a .xinitrc file.
[01:23] <nalioth> Andares: no, dont do that
[01:23] <darkmatter> check for a session in gdm. can you select it from there?
[01:23] <Andares> nalioth, huh? So what should I do?
[01:23] <nalioth> Andares: have you extracted the files to those directories?
[01:24] <Andares> Yes.
[01:24] <Andares> Well, no.
[01:24] <stevenj> after testing If I open extensions first the new firefox crashes but If I open themes (in firefox) and then extensions it opens and no crash
[01:24] <Andares> I extracted the WHOLE THING to /usr/share/xpde
[01:24] <Andares> which has subfolders bin and src
[01:24] <Jason-X> stevenj have you logged out and back in again. My firefox was OK after this
[01:24] <buzzzz> nalioth: hmmm... so if an ia64 binary didn't exist in the repository, it would fetch the source, and build for ia64... correct?
[01:24] <nalioth> Andares: Andares ok. hoary doesnt have an xinitrc
[01:24] <occy> the LINI PC 	the LINI PC*** - Hard Drive 10,000 rpm WD Raptor 73G 4.5ms seek time - Modem none - Monitors none - Optical Drive NEC 16X DVD+-r/RW 8X DL - Processor AMD Athlon 64 3700+ ClawHammer - RAM (Memory) 1024 MB RAM - Second Hard Drive none - Sound onboard AC97 sound - TV Tuner, IR remote, FM radio no - Video Cards nVidia 6600GT VGA+DVI+TV - Warranty 1 year - Wireless LAN 802.11g no
[01:25] <occy> $1,291.00
[01:25] <occy> hmm
[01:25] <Andares> nalioth, I know. How do I substitute?
[01:25] <nalioth> Andares: you need to open READONLY a .desktop file from /usr/share/xsessions and use it as a template to make your xpde startup file
[01:25] <Andares> k
[01:26] <occy> You'd think there would be someone out there who you could just KNOW had a good Linux box you could buy and everything just worked.
[01:26] <nalioth> buzzzz: if the pkg is available for ubuntu, it can be built from ubuntu source for any arch ( i have to do it for my PPC all the time)
[01:26] <stevenj> Jason-X, I just booted up from last night...
[01:26] <Kyral> umm
[01:26] <Kyral> did an update to dpkg get released?
[01:26] <Andares> Thanks, nalioth.
[01:26] <Andares> Then what do I do, nalioth?
[01:26] <nalioth> Andares: when you get done changing the settings to point to xpde, SAVE AS "xpde.desktop" in /usr/share/xsessions
[01:26] <Andares> Okay.
[01:26] <balkian> hiya
[01:26] <Andares> Then how do I select it?
[01:26] <DPadclear> How do you get 5.1 (ac3) decoding to work in mplayer?
[01:27] <stevenj> I'll be damned now firefox will not download anything....the new security updates is def. messed up
[01:27] <Andares> DPadclear, did you download its driver package?
[01:27] <Andares> *codec
[01:27] <nalioth> Andares: after than, you log out or appleicantions > system tools > new login and select "xpde"
[01:27] <Andares> Okay.
[01:27] <Andares> Thanks!
[01:27] <Antinomy> can windows see ext3?
[01:27] <darkmatter> Andares: log out and select it frome 'sessions' at the gdm screen
[01:27] <balkian> is there any solution to the download problem with firefox?
[01:27] <Andares> Antinomy, not without 3rd-party tools.
[01:27] <Kyral> Antinomy, yes through a program
[01:27] <Jason-X> mine won't download from some site but does from others wierd!
[01:27] <Andares> okay.
[01:27] <Antinomy> Andares: but they're out there...
[01:27] <balkian> i tried saving link as... but sometimes it doesnt work
[01:28] <Antinomy> Andares: do they enable write/read?
[01:28] <buzzzz> nalioth: cool, thanks
[01:28] <amblin_> anyone know why the new FF packages haven't been pulled?  i imagin lots of grandmas out there are getting pretty upset.
[01:28] <balkian> y fijo que ningun espaol
[01:28] <Burgundavia> amblin_, most grandmas don;t have web developer enabled
[01:28] <nalioth> buzzzz: np
[01:28] <Burgundavia> balkian, #ubuntu-es
[01:28] <aru> why would they be pulled?
[01:28] <amblin_> oh that is the only issue?
[01:28] <flyingpenguin_> Triffid_Hunter: are you there?
[01:29] <flyingpenguin_> traveller: you there?
[01:29] <nalioth> balkian: wtf?
[01:29] <Burgundavia> amblin_, it is only extensions really
[01:29] <balkian> what?
[01:29] <stevenj> is the firefox issue with certain extensions?
[01:29] <Triffid_Hunter> flyingpenguin_: what's up? still can't find nvidia-glx?
[01:29] <Burgundavia> stevenj, seems to be
[01:29] <nalioth> balkian: ingles, espanol whats next?
[01:29] <amblin_> Burgundavia, any extension i thought
[01:29] <flyingpenguin_> Triffid_Hunter: I allready had it installed
[01:29] <Burgundavia> amblin_, some work
[01:29] <balkian> dunno
[01:29] <balkian> lol
[01:29] <balkian> u said wtf, where am i from?
[01:29] <Triffid_Hunter> flyingpenguin_: so why won't glxgears run?
[01:30] <stevenj> Burgundavia, please dont tell adblock and tabbrowser?
[01:30] <flyingpenguin_> no
[01:30] <flyingpenguin_> Triffid_Hunter: can I pm you?
[01:30] <mebaran151> Burgundavia, Muine is written in C# right?
[01:30] <nalioth> balkian: not really, lol
[01:30] <balkian> what did u mean?
[01:30] <Burgundavia> stevenj, no idea, I run the latest crack (breezy)
[01:30] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, correct
[01:30] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I kinda gave up on the Poignant Guide
[01:30] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, it has to use C to connect with gstreamer
[01:30] <mebaran151> Razor-X, hmm, it is a little wordy
[01:30] <mebaran151> you should just look at the examples though
[01:30] <Razor-X> mebaran151: well, wordy's not the thing
[01:30] <balkian> i was just tryin xchat, and that was the first channel lol
[01:30] <mebaran151> they are pretty neat
[01:30] <stevenj> Burgundavia, I tried it...but x would not start and I did not know what to do
[01:30] <Razor-X> when I think about programming, I never relate it to real life
[01:31] <Burgundavia> stevenj, mileage varies
[01:31] <Razor-X> so, the way he explains things, I just can't relate to it
[01:31] <mebaran151> Razor-X, that is what oop is all about
[01:31] <Razor-X> but yeah, I do read the examples
[01:31] <mebaran151> creating an object to encapsulate the necessary
[01:31] <balkian> well
[01:31] <mebaran151> facet of a real thing
[01:31] <balkian> c u soon
[01:31] <balkian> ubunteros
[01:31] <balkian> bye
[01:31] <amblin_> Burgundavia, i guess the possibilty of some dead installations is better than reverting back to FF with some known exploits untill 1.06 can be packaged
[01:31] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I use OOP not as a real-life ``interference'', but because it's easier to organize code that way
[01:31] <balkian> well just another question
[01:31] <Razor-X> code is more effecient, IMO, if it can be organized in the form of objects
[01:32] <mebaran151> Razor-X, yeah, I understand that, but it boils down to that
[01:32] <mebaran151> just look at Chapter 6
[01:32] <Razor-X> but, it's just a programming concept to me
[01:32] <mebaran151> the last 3 examples
[01:32] <Razor-X> like, code blocks being chutes thing
[01:32] <mebaran151> oh
[01:32] <mebaran151> yeah
[01:32] <mebaran151> he goes a little crazy
[01:32] <Razor-X> kinda weird approach, heh
[01:32] <Razor-X> I read the examples though
[01:32] <balkian> does anybody know how can i write with ascii in linux? i mean, like pressing alt+ number, in windows
[01:32] <Razor-X> don't have the background yet to do it all, though
[01:32] <mebaran151> Razor-X, well then the pickaxe is perfect; you seem to want to learn by practice
[01:33] <mebaran151> and that is the authorative guide
[01:33] <Razor-X> yeah, Pickaxe works great for me
[01:33] <Razor-X> because it writes in a style where I can interpret it
[01:33] <Andares> Here goes nothing.
[01:33] <mebaran151> it is a big reference book that if you know, you know how to do alot
[01:33] <mebaran151> Why is trying to become an author
[01:33] <mebaran151> (explains some things)
[01:33] <Razor-X> I can see that ;)
[01:33] <stevenj> how do I fix firefox now?
[01:33] <Razor-X> stevenj: fix?
[01:34] <mebaran151> Burgundavia, dont know C just C#
[01:34] <nuky> when i plug in my external hard drive, which is recognised by lsusb, i get this when i do tail /var/log/messages
[01:34] <nuky> Jul 23 00:31:24 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 4
[01:34] <nuky> Jul 23 00:31:24 localhost kernel: scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[01:34] <nuky> Jul 23 00:31:25 localhost usb.agent[17484] :      usb-storage: already loaded
[01:34] <nuky> does anybody know how i can use that to mount it? because all the tutorials say to look for something with hd? or sd?
[01:34] <Kyral> Backports 1.0.6 works....
[01:34] <Razor-X> nuky: please don't paste more than 3 lines in the channel
[01:34] <mebaran151> why doesnt the next version of Ubuntu use Muine instead of Rhythmbox
[01:34] <Razor-X> use pastebin or #flood for that
[01:34] <mebaran151> it seems to be the better app
[01:34] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, I think the only C is the gstreamer wrapper
[01:34] <stevenj> Razor-X, after upgrading it wont let uninstall extensions to test if one is conflicting...it wont let download and it keeps crashing
[01:34] <mebaran151> Burgundavia, yeah
[01:34] <mebaran151> I would figure as such
[01:34] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, muine is very good for what it does. It doesnt do some things
[01:34] <Burgundavia> like internet radio
[01:34] <nuky> sorry
[01:34] <Razor-X> mebaran151: only greivance I have about Pickaxe is that, it explains syntax haphazardly, insofar
[01:35] <mebaran151> internet radio is the realm of streamtuner
[01:35] <mebaran151> Razor-X, that is the result of it being a reference book
[01:35] <Razor-X> maybe i'm just too used to legacy books and tutorials, but in my experience, you start with the concept of a variable, then variable types, then expand those concepts
[01:35] <mebaran151> Ruby aint like that
[01:35] <Razor-X> functions, methods, instances, classes, all come later, from what i've read
[01:35] <mebaran151> because ther really are no types
[01:35] <mebaran151> Fixnum is a class
[01:35] <mebaran151> that has methods
[01:35] <mebaran151> Ruby does not have primitives
[01:36] <Razor-X> yeah
[01:36] <Razor-X> Ruby's iterating is kinda weird
[01:36] <mebaran151> so you cant start with something that doesn't exist
[01:36] <Razor-X> took me a while to understand the code block concept
[01:36] <mebaran151> Razor-X, yep ... I still dont quite get it
[01:36] <stevenj> ok I found my firefox problem--tabbrowser extension is not compatible with the new ubuntu sec. update....at least in my case
[01:36] <Mobus> Does anyone know of a good C++ programming environment (not just a compiler) that runs on Ubuntu? prefferasbly with the Borland Graphics Interface, but if it doesn't have it I could always add it.
[01:36] <mebaran151> espwhen you nest blocks
[01:36] <andares> Holy ****, XPDE is LOADED with bugs.
[01:36] <stevenj> now everything works fine
[01:36] <mebaran151> it can get
[01:37] <mebaran151> Mobus, Gnome has it its own
[01:37] <Mobus> called?
[01:37] <andares> Launching from the start menu failed, my mouse got stuck dragging a window, and starting xchat crashed the interface.
[01:37] <Mobus> g++?
[01:37] <mebaran151> ajunta and glade for interface desigh
[01:37] <mebaran151> n
[01:37] <Mechcozmo> how do you install WINE?
[01:37] <mebaran151> ajunta is the frontend to g++
[01:37] <Razor-X> stevenj: change the version string
[01:37] <occy> Connect 3D Radeon 9600XT 128MB AGP 8x Video Card  <-- this work with Linux?
[01:37] <mike_> Mechcozmo, apt-get install wine
[01:37] <Razor-X> in about:config
[01:37] <mebaran151> you could always use emacs if you want a real IDE
[01:37] <Razor-X> simple azzat
[01:37] <Hoof> I have hoary installed but why does Gnome always crashses?
[01:37] <darkmatter> andares: Yep, just like winxp
[01:37] <aru> occy: ask google
[01:37] <Razor-X> mebaran151: like I do ;)
[01:37] <Mobus> frontend?
[01:37] <Mechcozmo> Mike_ i read their little blurb about using apt-get
[01:38] <Mechcozmo> it said you had to add their server
[01:38] <mebaran151> Razor-X, if you are really hardcore ... use vim
[01:38] <Razor-X> I got ruby elisp first thing after I decided to buy into ruby
[01:38] <Razor-X> ewww, never ;)
[01:38] <mebaran151> though on hard days when I dont want to deal with terminal font
[01:38] <mebaran151> I use GEdit
[01:38] <Mobus> well., I can't seem to create files in emacs, I can only open them...
[01:38] <occy> aru, google not giving me lov
[01:38] <occy> err love
[01:38] <mebaran151> it is suprisingly powerful
[01:38] <Mobus> I likek KATE
[01:38] <Razor-X> ahhh, I love my emacs ;)
[01:38] <stevenj> Razor-X, how do I do that..thanks
[01:38] <Razor-X> Kate's nice
[01:38] <mebaran151> Kate is nice
[01:38] <Mechcozmo> repository
[01:38] <Razor-X> Mobus: C-x C-f filename
[01:38] <mebaran151> GEdit is basically Kate for Gnom
[01:38] <Razor-X> the file doesen't have to exist
[01:38] <mebaran151> though I prefer Kate
[01:38] <Mobus> burt there's this dumbass in my tuba section whosae name is Kate, so I don't like usinmg it THAT much...
[01:38] <Razor-X> after that, C-x C-s and you save it
[01:39] <Razor-X> if you cant to change the name of the file, C-x C-w
[01:39] <Razor-X> mebaran151: my Eterm is highly customized
[01:39] <Razor-X> since I use it all the time
[01:39] <aru> occy: http://www.stanford.edu/~fenn/linux/radeon.shtml <- first hit on google
[01:39] <mebaran151> heheh I dont use eterms so much
[01:39] <mebaran151> I like chvt'ing
[01:39] <occy> aru, hmmm ok.
[01:39] <Razor-X> well, mine's tailored to my specificaitons ;)
[01:39] <andares> darkmatter, well, at least it runs faster.
[01:39] <Razor-X> as is mon emacs ;)
[01:39] <Antinomy> in a dual-boot, do I HAVE to install windows first?
[01:39] <mebaran151> I use them enough though that I added transparency
[01:40] <Hoof> Why does gnome in Hoary crashing?  I can't add stuffs in the panel, because it crashes everytime...I cant create a new panel either...it's useless...how do i fix this?
[01:40] <Razor-X> and all you people who complain about the RAM emacs uses, it uses 5 times less than KPDF ;)
[01:40] <darkmatter> Anybody recommend a good interface for Python? IDLE is great, but it's hard on the eyes (the font's and widgets make me dyslexic)
[01:40] <mebaran151> Razor-X, I find emacs too big though
[01:40] <mebaran151> as in it could be an OS in itself
[01:40] <occy> aru, talks all about RPM and Fedora.
[01:40] <andares> emacs is a great operating system; all it lacks is a good text editor.
[01:40] <occy> don't see no Ubuntu or Debian.
[01:40] <Razor-X> mebaran151: actually, that's a very good feature
[01:40] <occy> :(
[01:40] <mebaran151> andares, exactly
[01:40] <darkmatter> andares: that's it's only grace
[01:40] <Razor-X> ever been stuck on a WinXP box with only cmd.exe to help you?
[01:40] <andares> Razor-X, yep.
[01:40] <Razor-X> Eshell is a godsend, trust me
[01:40] <mebaran151> Razor-X, heheh, yep
[01:40] <Mechcozmo> yes
[01:41] <andares> Ever been stuck in a Linux box with only bash to help you?
[01:41] <Razor-X> and I have no problem about an OS that's smaller than my PDF viewer
[01:41] <Kyral> yes
[01:41] <Mechcozmo> no
[01:41] <Kyral> its fun :D
[01:41] <Razor-X> andares: I like BASH ;)
[01:41] <andares> :O!
[01:41] <Mechcozmo> how do you install WINE?
[01:41] <mebaran151> Razor-X, you know the cmd for WinXP
[01:41] <occy> better than just having sh
[01:41] <occy> heh
[01:41] <andares> Razor-X, so do I, but not when X DIES!!
[01:41] <mebaran151> is not so bad
[01:41] <Kyral> Its called a base Gentoo install :D
[01:41] <andares> Mechcozmo, go to their site.
[01:41] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I do, still pathetic though
[01:41] <Mechcozmo> i did
[01:41] <mebaran151> it has almost the number features as BASH
[01:41] <Mechcozmo> it said to use Synaptic
[01:41] <kyncani> man ... is openoffice heavy ... 125 Mb to open a 2.5 Mb .xls ... and i've still not seen the end of it ...
[01:41] <andares> Mechcozmo, they have an APT repository entry you can use.
[01:41] <mebaran151> tab completion
[01:41] <mebaran151> path's are a little funky
[01:41] <Kyral> kyncani, gnumeric?
[01:42] <Razor-X> kyncani: that's why you use LaTeX ;)
[01:42] <kafeine> kyncani, dont use openoffice:)
[01:42] <mebaran151> I dont know LaTex well enough
[01:42] <kyncani> eeeh
[01:42] <Razor-X> I have a copy of XEmacs on the windows box, and a copy of MiKTeX
[01:42] <mebaran151> makes me sad :(
[01:42] <Kyral> I love having a high-end system on a Linux box :D
[01:42] <kro> whats an easy way to grab a DNS zone file?  Like, say I want the zone file for foo.com?
[01:42] <mebaran151> Kyral, I got 64 bits here
[01:42] <mebaran151> it runs everything with out stressing at all
[01:42] <Kyral> mebaran151, thats Next summer :D
[01:42] <Mechcozmo> andares, it wants be to modify a file
[01:42] <kyncani> Kyral: gnumeric would only let me see the last page of this <10 pages docuument
[01:42] <mebaran151> all my serving needs, everything rock solid
[01:42] <Mechcozmo> which i've tried before
[01:42] <Kyral> SYSTEM i686 Ubuntu GNU/Linux, Kernel 2.6.10-5-386, GLIBC 2.3.2 | CPU AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2700+, 2167Mhz, 256KB Cache, 4293 BMIPs | RAM 324/504MB Used | SWAP 29/1474MB Used | STORAGE 5.0MB TmpFS, 19GB Ext3, 19GB unknown, 154GB VFAT, 253MB TmpFS, 256GB Ext3, 603MB ISO9660, 638MB ISO9660 | STATS Uptime 0.41, Users 1/2, Procs 80/36603, Load 0.30 | X11 1280x1024x24bit | http://auk.ca/v
[01:42] <Mechcozmo> which didn't work
[01:43] <mebaran151> Kyral, only problem is a lot of programs are a little sketchy
[01:43] <andares> Mechcozmo, no it doesn't.
[01:43] <Razor-X> if I save up enough money, on top of my Das Keyboard, i'll buy Lamport's LaTeX book
[01:43] <Kyral> wow, holy shit, I was like "WHO THE HELL IS THE OTHER USER!"
[01:43] <andares> You're doing something wrong.
[01:43] <Mechcozmo> yes
[01:43] <mebaran151> only thing that stresses it is encoding
[01:43] <Mechcozmo> you click "Download"
[01:43] <mebaran151> not even compiling
[01:43] <Mechcozmo> then "Ubuntu"
[01:43] <auk> huh?
[01:43] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I love encoding ;)
[01:43] <Kyral> before I realized that a SUDO session takes a user :P
[01:43] <auk> SYSTEM
[01:43] <mebaran151> Razor-X, you use mencoder or transcode
[01:43] <Razor-X> encoding, programming, and writing documentation are what i'm good at
[01:43] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I haven't tried on a Linux box yet, actually
[01:44] <Mechcozmo> it shows an outdated version of Synaptic
[01:44] <Kyral> hmm
[01:44] <Kyral> how would I purge something
[01:44] <mebaran151> eh, encoding in Windows is sucky
[01:44] <Mechcozmo> which i couldn't figure out
[01:44] <Razor-X> I love AVISynth though
[01:44] <Razor-X> mebaran151: not with AVISynth
[01:44] <Kyral> like kill it and all its depends that aren't being used?
[01:44] <mebaran151> nothing beats mencoder
[01:44] <Razor-X> Linux needs an AVISynth port
[01:44] <mebaran151> we have it
[01:44] <mebaran151> acidrip
[01:44] <Mechcozmo> and the same deal with the console
[01:44] <Razor-X> really?
[01:44] <mebaran151> try acidrip
[01:44] <Razor-X> fscking crazy!
[01:44] <mebaran151> pretty full featured
[01:44] <Kyral> I need to purge E17
[01:45] <mebaran151> I use it to make a script
[01:45] <Razor-X> mmmm, what 3d filters does it support?
[01:45] <jnk> Kyral, aptitude purge package-name
[01:45] <mebaran151> Razor-X, what you encoding
[01:45] <Razor-X> mebaran151: generally, I remaster my crappy anime
[01:45] <mebaran151> I meant MPEG4 straight compilations
[01:45] <Kyral> can I use the apt-get command for it? :P
[01:45] <mebaran151> haha, basically me too
[01:45] <mebaran151> if you want to do anime
[01:45] <Razor-X> and how about rainbow noise filtering?
[01:45] <Mechcozmo> is there an ffmpeg for Linux
[01:45] <Mechcozmo> ?
[01:45] <mebaran151> Xvid has a codec specifically done for anime
[01:45] <jnk> Kyral, not if you want to remove all the dependecies (I think)
[01:45] <mebaran151> Mechcozmo, mencoder is the front end
[01:45] <Razor-X> mebaran151: really?
[01:45] <Kyral> debfoster :D
[01:45] <mebaran151> if you want a sample
[01:45] <Mechcozmo> cool
[01:45] <jnk> Mechcozmo, it's in ubuntu
[01:45] <nalioth> andares: did you get sorted?
[01:46] <Mechcozmo> neat
[01:46] <Mechcozmo> but about WINE
[01:46] <robotgeek> qt2, u there?
[01:46] <Mechcozmo> first that, then other stuff
[01:46] <Mechcozmo> :-)
[01:46] <mebaran151> Xvid Anime codecs
[01:46] <mebaran151> are pretty good
[01:46] <Kyral> et w00t!
[01:46] <Razor-X> I started also trying to reencode some of the RvB stuff
[01:46] <jnk> Kyral, yeah that'll do it
[01:46] <mhz> ANY one ever installed Ubuntu from HardDisk? or NetBoot???
[01:46] <Kyral> The new episode of Full Metal Panic: The Second Raid was released :D
[01:46] <mebaran151> Razor-X, not familiar
[01:46] <mebaran151> best thing though
[01:46] <mebaran151> is Linux doesnt do regions very hard
[01:46] <Razor-X> for a mere 4 MB, I could remove quite a bit of their rainbow noise, and up the sharpness quite a few fold
[01:46] <mebaran151> soft region setting is sufficient
[01:46] <Razor-X> Kyral: I saw that
[01:47] <Kyral> The second episode?
[01:47] <Razor-X> Kyral: not seen as in, watched, saw it on Anime Suki
[01:47] <jaggi> Hi :)
[01:47] <Mechcozmo> so... is anyone going to help with WINE?
[01:47] <Kyral> ahh
[01:47] <Razor-X> I'm gonna get an old version of Azureus
[01:47] <mebaran151> Mechcozmo, WINE is not going to save you
[01:47] <Razor-X> because after Decentralization, it's too much for my RAM
[01:47] <Kyral> I use BakaUpdates and AnimeSuki :D
[01:47] <Kyral> err
[01:47] <qt2> robotgeek, that i am.
[01:47] <Kyral> AnimeYume
[01:48] <kyncani> yeah, -INT did it
[01:48] <Razor-X> I want to watch Texhnolyze
[01:48] <mebaran151> Kyral, I am looking so hard for a box set of Cowboy Bebop
[01:48] <Mechcozmo> mebaran151: why do you say that?
[01:48] <satyap> fyi... i'm using a livecd to run distributed.net and boinc on one of our windows boxes
[01:48] <Yoda_Sabre> has anyone gotten pengaol to work im kinda stuck with aol at the moment not willingly mind you
[01:48] <jaggi> my grub isn't working, and lilo freezes when ubuntu's install is installing it... grub installs, but the system won't boot (comes up with Error 21 prior to the grub menu).  The drive setup is 3 drives, the first 2 are a hardware raid mirror with XP on it, the 3rd is the linux drive.  It's considered sdc when linux is up.  They're really ATA drives, though.
[01:48] <mebaran151> Mechcozmo, what are you trying to do
[01:48] <Kyral> mebaran151, I know where you can get the entire series.....legality is another question ;P
[01:48] <Mechcozmo> install WINE
[01:48] <robotgeek> qt2, yesterday we used xev, we could also have used showkey, which gives you the keypress, in hex though
[01:48] <Mechcozmo> and then play with it
[01:48] <Razor-X> Yoda_Sabre: Linspire has released the source of a much better AOL dialer called, wait for it, AOL Dialer ;)
[01:49] <mebaran151> Kyral, is the quality any good
[01:49] <Mechcozmo> i'm testing Ubuntu to see if it is a good Windows replacement for some friends of mine (as well as me)
[01:49] <mebaran151> I am stickler for that
[01:49] <Razor-X> I need a better torrent client
[01:49] <Yoda_Sabre> i'll look for it then
[01:49] <jaggi> been working on this for a while but I haven't been able to get grub to work right.  I can boot from the ubuntu CD and, after hardware detection, mount the installed linux drive/partition...
[01:49] <Razor-X> Azureus is the only one where I can get above 100 k/s speed
[01:49] <Razor-X> but now, it takes waaaay too much RAM
[01:49] <aru> Mechcozmo: what do you need to run with WINE?
[01:49] <Razor-X> and i've fiddled with my settings to death
[01:49] <Mechcozmo> maybe some old games
[01:49] <Mechcozmo> dunno
[01:49] <mebaran151> things like bittorrent shouldn't be done in Java
[01:49] <robotgeek> Razor-X, have you tried the official bittorent client?
[01:49] <mebaran151> either really scripted or totally C
[01:49] <Razor-X> robotgeek: yeah
[01:49] <Razor-X> mebaran151: no ASM? ;{
[01:50] <mebaran151> eh eh, perhaps
[01:50] <Razor-X> s/{/)/
[01:50] <jaggi> Hi :)
[01:50] <Razor-X> woah, the brace gives the smilie a mustache
[01:50] <Mechcozmo> aru: maybe some old games...dunno really
[01:50] <Razor-X> that's my new smilie ;}
[01:50] <mebaran151> :{)
[01:50] <robotgeek> Razor-X, i get decent speeds with that, azureus keeps crashing for me!
[01:50] <Razor-X> well, now his lips look all cracked XD
[01:50] <Razor-X> robotgeek: same here
[01:50] <aru> hmm
[01:50] <Razor-X> the latter is because of RAM
[01:51] <satyap> time to screen -r
[01:51] <robotgeek> Razor-X, ppc?
[01:51] <Razor-X> satyap: -r? hmmm, been a while since i've used screen
[01:51] <Razor-X> robotgeek: nopes
[01:51] <Mechcozmo> ~sigh~
[01:51] <blueyed> cheers. the weekend has landed.
[01:51] <satyap> aye
[01:51] <Razor-X> emacs buffers work fine for me ;)
[01:51] <satyap> i have a bunch of dnets running in screens
[01:51] <blueyed> screen is AWESOME, Razor-X :)
[01:51] <Razor-X> blueyed: i've used screen
[01:52] <Razor-X> but, I prefer my emacs buffers
[01:52] <Hoof> Why does gnome in Hoary crashing?  I can't add stuffs in the panel, because it crashes everytime...I cant create a new panel either...it's useless...how do i fix this?
[01:52] <Razor-X> shell is awesome, as is Eshell
[01:52] <satyap> hey, whatever works for you
[01:52] <blueyed> Razor-X: I like vi so I never must try emacs, right? ;)
[01:52] <Razor-X> blueyed: hah, ;)
[01:52] <Mechcozmo> alright, will someone please tell me how to install WINE!?
[01:52] <Razor-X> I used to be a vi user
[01:52] <mebaran151> come on it is all about the vim
[01:52] <Razor-X> but, as you'll say it, I was ``seduced by the dark side''
[01:52] <Mechcozmo> i'm trying to get this to work
[01:53] <satyap> but you can use whatever you want
[01:53] <robotgeek> Razor-X, what happened..do u use vim now?
[01:53] <Mechcozmo> and becoming fairly angry at it
[01:53] <Razor-X> robotgeek: my vim muscle-bindings have undone themselves
[01:53] <satyap> apt-get install wine didn't work?
[01:53] <blueyed> Mechcozmo: you might want to try Crossover Office. It's a project worth to support if it fits your needs and it supplies IE and MS Office ect installs.
[01:53] <Razor-X> i'm much happier too, on this Dvorak keyboard
[01:53] <Mechcozmo> satyap: no it didn't work
[01:53] <cw2> Hoof: first figure out what you did to break it because mine works fine
[01:53] <satyap> well, that's the extent of my knowledge
[01:53] <Yoda_Sabre> good luck getting something like doom3 running with wine
[01:53] <robotgeek> Razor-X, did u buy yourself a emacs foot pedal or something? cause u need 4 hands to use it
[01:53] <Razor-X> blueyed: there is
[01:54] <Mechcozmo> blueyed: don't care about IE nor Office (open office is fine)
[01:54] <Razor-X> robotgeek: I use just one
[01:54] <Razor-X> sometimes two
[01:54] <blueyed> Razor-X: I know, but vi is already an alias for vim..
[01:54] <Razor-X> maybe it's better tailored to Dvorak *shrugs*
[01:54] <Mechcozmo> blueyed: however if it runs any other windows apps, i might be interested
[01:54] <Razor-X> blueyed: vi's nasty, compared to vim, I mean
[01:54] <Mechcozmo> if i can install it.....
[01:54] <robotgeek> vim has a vi compatibility mode..but u lready knew that!
[01:54] <satyap> oooh yeah i9 should get dvorak
[01:54] <blueyed> Mechcozmo: then use the backports and apt-get (or synaptic) wine.
[01:54] <MrGardenHoseMan> is there any kind of firewall software for linux or am i going to end up buying a router?
[01:54] <mebaran151> blueyed, you don not want it
[01:54] <Razor-X> I mean jkl; is all over the place on my keyboard
[01:54] <satyap> my productivity would plummet for a while though
[01:54] <Mechcozmo> synaptic doesn't have wine in it
[01:55] <Mechcozmo> you need to add the repository
[01:55] <robotgeek> plus vim now has a rss feed full of useful information!
[01:55] <Mechcozmo> which, so far, hasn't worked
[01:55] <kyncani> MrGardenHoseMan: shorewall, firestarter, ...  apt-cache search -i firewall  for an extensive list
[01:55] <blueyed> mebaran151: vi? no, because I have the improved one.. :)
[01:55] <satyap> yeah i've seen nothing in that rss
[01:55] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[01:55] <satyap> MrGardenHoseMan: try firehol
[01:55] <amblin_> been this way since hoary i think.. anyone know why i can install new FF extensions but cannot update them?
[01:55] <Razor-X> actually, i'm IRCing in emacs, so, heh
[01:55] <Razor-X> ;)
[01:56] <robotgeek> satyap, i found it pretty useful. i am a relatively new used
[01:56] <Mechcozmo> blueyed: Crossover Office isn't in Synaptic either
[01:56] <Razor-X> amblin_: about:config, change the version string
[01:56] <mebaran151> blueeyed the original is just weird
[01:56] <cw2> Mechcozmo: i just added the uniserve and multiverse hoary feeds and wine is there and "works"
[01:56] <kafeine> Mechcozmo, crossover is paid for
[01:56] <Razor-X> I don't use Firefox, but I know that much ;)
[01:56] <Yoda_Sabre> dang it i have to buy aol dialer
[01:56] <Mechcozmo> kafeine: thanks
[01:56] <satyap> er...
[01:56] <Mechcozmo> cw2: how would i do that?
[01:56] <blueyed> Have a nice night, evening, morning, or lunch.. :) Mechcozmo: get it from the homepage, quite safe.
[01:56] <satyap> amblin: permissions?
[01:56] <cw2> Mechcozmo: add a repository and check the boxes?
[01:56] <Mechcozmo> WINE?
[01:56] <Mechcozmo> eh?
[01:57] <amblin_> Razor-X, got that.. exts install, but if they update and i try to right click update, ff says it's found the update, then hangs
[01:57] <darkmatter> Mechcozmo: crossover is proprietary, you need to purchase it from codeweavers
[01:57] <blueyed> Unfortunately the debian repositories aren't almighty yet. And sometimes even a bit behind (considering stable-releases at least).
[01:57] <amblin_> hah hey satyap
[01:57] <Razor-X> amblin_: download them manually
[01:57] <blueyed> HAVE A GREA TTIME! w00hoo :)
[01:57] <robert_pectol> MrGardenHoseMan:   Wanna try a new firewall that I've been working on for Ubuntu?
[01:57] <amblin_> Razor-X, i wanna use FF updater.. that's what it's there for
[01:57] <darkmatter> of obtain it by questionable methods
[01:57] <Mechcozmo> cw2: i tried to do that with WINE's repository however i couldn't figure out how to add it correctly
[01:57] <satyap> stable is always behind oh god not this again
[01:57] <Razor-X> amblin_: you can't have everything ;)
[01:57] <Mechcozmo> cw2: different versions they used
[01:58] <cw2> Mechcozmo: is it an ubuntu-wine repo or a debian one?
[01:58] <satyap> amblin: any of this sound familiar?
[01:58] <Mechcozmo> debian
[01:58] <cw2> Mechcozmo: well duh
[01:58] <Mechcozmo> "Wine for Debian based distributions"
[01:58] <cw2> Mechcozmo: just use ubuntu's universe and multiverse
[01:58] <kyncani> robert_pectol: a firewall especially made for ubuntu ??
[01:59] <Mechcozmo> cw2: and how do I add those?  I don't see them
[01:59] <Mechcozmo> ah i see
[01:59] <Mechcozmo> i think
[01:59] <Razor-X> I started my btdownloadcurses
[01:59] <robert_pectol> kyncani:   Yes... well, more of a firewall script but yes!
[01:59] <Razor-X> let's see the speed that picks up
[01:59] <Razor-X> Azureus blazes at 99 k/s thanks to it's excellent UPnP plugin
[02:00] <Mechcozmo> cw2: testing by adding that checkbox
[02:00] <benplaut> Mechcozmo: follow the intructions for adding extra repositories at:  www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:00] <Razor-X> i'm getting 2.8-3.3 k/s now
[02:00] <kyncani> robert_pectol: what does it do ? why is it better than say, using this real easy firewall that's firestarter ?
[02:00] <cw2> Mechcozmo: the odd thing is, you add a new repo, choose hoary, then check all the boxes even though you have the other 2 already
[02:00] <Razor-X> I can even try btdownloadcurses.bittornado
[02:00] <Razor-X> I don't think it'll make that much of a difference
[02:00] <Mechcozmo> cw2: i think that was messing me up before, thanks
[02:01] <Razor-X> i'm getting 4 k/s
[02:01] <Razor-X> now it's 3.3
[02:01] <Razor-X> 2.5
[02:01] <satyap> er, maybe there are few seeders?
[02:01] <Razor-X> this is just sad, robotgeek
[02:01] <cw2> benplaut: those instructions are not the "correct" way, and are useless since the package manager has a working way to do it
[02:01] <Razor-X> satyap: I was getting 99 k/s here on Azureus
[02:01] <Mechcozmo> cw2: do I choose winetools?
[02:02] <Mechcozmo> cw2: i guess what i want to know is, what package do i choose and how do i then set it up
[02:02] <tom_> Hi, I've just installed Ubuntu and am trying to setup my users, I wanted a root account and then 4 user accounts, the account which was made during installation has admin rights but I don't want that account to have them, I know how to take them off but after doing this disables me from installing software using Synaptic, I am also unable to 'su' on my other user accounts, so does anybody have any ideas how I can get 'su' working
[02:02] <tom_>  on my other accounts?
[02:02] <cw2> Mechcozmo: search for wine, check the box
[02:02] <benplaut> cw2: well... it's simple copy/paste.. so...
[02:02] <Razor-X> i'm not sure what Azureus does ``right'' but, it does something
[02:02] <Razor-X> and my ports work right, that's for sure
[02:02] <Mechcozmo> cw2: just "wine" ya?
[02:02] <Razor-X> gasp! 6 k/s!!!!
[02:02] <cw2> benplaut: it's still not correct
[02:02] <kafeine> tom_, sudo
[02:02] <robert_pectol> kyncani:   Well, it's designed to provide stateful packet inspection for your Ubuntu box.  Why is it better?  Well, good question... maybe it's not!  But it is very simple to use and should do a more than adequate job of protecting you.  It's a simple init script with a config file!
[02:02] <benplaut> cw2: what's not correct about it?
[02:02] <Razor-X> finishing in 30 hours, excellent ;)
[02:03] <amblin_> Razor-X, for what it's worth.. finally found an answer.
[02:03] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X!
[02:03] <amblin_> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4395
[02:03] <hybrid_goth> u one dail up
[02:03] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: not a chance
[02:03] <tom_> kafeine: I once saw an Ubuntu page about Sudo but have been unable to find it since, do you know where I can find it?
[02:03] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:03] <cw2> benplaut: they split one repo up into several lines, it "works", but it realy should be all one line
[02:03] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: ok good :P
[02:03] <kafeine> tom_, try the wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:03] <tom_> thanks :)
[02:03] <benplaut> cw2: oh
[02:03] <cw2> benplaut: that and they say to use backports, which has a shitload of broken things in it
[02:03] <Razor-X> back to 3.8 k/s
[02:04] <Razor-X> so, anyone have advice? ;)
[02:04] <tim_> i have a tar.gz i need to extract files from. what gzip flags should i use to extract those files to a directory?
[02:04] <cw2> Razor-X: if we realy wanted a play by play of your dl status we'd just hack your pc
[02:04] <kyncani> robert_pectol: maybe the real better thing is that its homemade ;) i think i'll stink with my homemade too ;) script that configures shorewall
[02:04] <benplaut> cw2: i, and many (most?) others haven't had any trouble with backports...
[02:04] <kyncani> robert_pectol: but glad to see you enjoy tweaking your box :)
[02:04] <cw2> Razor-X: if you think it's too slow, deal with it, bt takes a while to hit full speed
[02:04] <Razor-X> cw2: deal with it?
[02:04] <Razor-X> i've been using BT for 2 years now
[02:04] <robert_pectol> kyncani:   It's fun!
[02:05] <Razor-X> it takes about 20 minutes to get to full speed
[02:05] <cw2> Razor-X: it's just the way it works, be patient
[02:05] <Razor-X> but, i've done this before
[02:05] <Mechcozmo> found it on the menu hehe
[02:05] <jeran> I converted a .rpm to a .deb... now how do I install it?
[02:05] <Razor-X> I can wait an hour
[02:05] <Razor-X> and it'll go up in speed not a smidge
[02:05] <satyap> jeran: dpkg -i
[02:05] <cw2> Razor-X: and it all depends on how many seeds are on line, how many people are downloading, and how many people leave theirs on after its done
[02:05] <Razor-X> cw2: I know BT theory ;)
[02:06] <Razor-X> I was getting 99 k/s on this earlier on Azureus
[02:06] <satyap> to extract a tar.gz, tar -xzvf works for me
[02:06] <Razor-X> that's what i'm trying to say, it's not like this is my first torrent
[02:06] <Razor-X> Azureus does something right, I may just downgrade
[02:06] <cw2> Razor-X: then you should know that there's not realy anything you can do
[02:06] <Razor-X> because speed is all I care about, fsck decentralize
[02:06] <Razor-X> cw2: was hoping somebody else knew something
[02:06] <kyncani> eeeh, azureus is a java prog !
[02:07] <Razor-X> kyncani: ;)
[02:07] <Razor-X> Java has it's uses
[02:07] <Razor-X> I use a nice little hypercube prog that is written in Java
[02:07] <cw2> java "works" fine, its just a memory hog
[02:07] <Razor-X> it's garbage collection is garbage
[02:07] <amblin_> azureus firstt java app i've used that left me saying.. i liked it
[02:07] <kyncani> i'll wait till it's gpl-like ;)
[02:07] <mebaran151> cw2, even Ruby has better garbage collection
[02:08] <cw2> kyncani: there are gpl java implentations
[02:08] <amblin_> and it's a freaking hog
[02:08] <Razor-X> mebaran151: if I could read Java source, I would like to write my own torrent client -- in Ruby
[02:08] <Razor-X> s/it's/its/
[02:08] <cw2> Razor-X: if you can read ruby source, you can read java
[02:08] <jeran> how do you install ruby on Ubuntu, while i'm asking questions?
[02:08] <Razor-X> cw2: but, not network specifics
[02:08] <Razor-X> jeran: sudo apt-get install ruby1.8
[02:09] <Razor-X> or aptitude, if you like it better (like me)
[02:09] <kyncani> cw2: hope azureus will run with kaffe
[02:09] <satyap> or run the package manager
[02:09] <jeran> Razor-X: Will that get everything? Like IRB and all that?
[02:09] <Razor-X> jeran: no
[02:09] <satyap> IRB!
[02:09] <amblin_> very doubtful it will run with kaffe
[02:09] <Razor-X> that's the thing I don't like about the way Debian/Ubuntu distributes Ruby
[02:09] <kyncani> Nope, azureus depends on sun-j2sdk1.5
[02:09] <Razor-X> you have to get anything sperate yourself
[02:09] <Razor-X> sudo apt-get install irb1.8
[02:10] <Razor-X> sudo apt-get install ri1.8
[02:10] <jeran> ril?
[02:10] <Razor-X> and whatever else you want
[02:10] <jeran> err
[02:10] <jeran> ri1.8?
[02:10] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I saw a ruby/SDL wrapper
[02:10] <amblin_> rails will grab a few dependancies for ya
[02:10] <Razor-X> jeran: ri is ruby documentation
[02:10] <jeran> oh yeah.. I'm use to using  ridoc, heh
[02:10] <Razor-X> and don't forget to alias out irb and ruby
[02:11] <Razor-X> because the 1.8 is annoying
[02:11] <jeran> This sounds confusing already, lol
[02:11] <jeran> I'll leave that alone for now..
[02:11] <Razor-X> well, I like it better than the supposed ``One Click Installer'' for windows
[02:11] <jnr_Ubun2> hi list. how do i disable the password dialog box when connecting to ubuntu from windows on a network?
[02:11] <kyncani> jnr_Ubun2: use ssh ??
[02:12] <tom_> Hey, is it possible for me to setup a user account which is able to run Synaptic only if the root password is given?
[02:12] <Razor-X> ok, back to Tales of Symphonia ;)
[02:12] <jnr_Ubun2> kyncani, i'm trying to share the printer
[02:13] <kafeine> tom_, default accounts should be like this
[02:13] <kyncani> tom_: don't put this user in the admin group, enable root login. This user will have to use "su -c synaptic".
[02:13] <jnr_Ubun2> kyncani, did all the smb configurations, just that password thing bothering me. how do i get rid of it?
[02:13] <Velcan> can anyone suggest a good, easy to use, dvd ripper / encoder
[02:13] <jnr_Ubun2> allow all access
[02:13] <kyncani> jnr_Ubun2: sorry, no experience here :(
[02:13] <jnr_Ubun2> without any password box
[02:13] <tom_> I see, that's what I was looking for, thanks again :)
[02:14] <kafeine> :)
[02:14] <cfuller> i can't get via drivers to work right on a mini-itx can someone help
[02:15] <jnr_Ubun2> Kyncani, it's the access right? where to look.
[02:15] <Mobus> what's the name of the "Frontend" for g++?
[02:16] <slask3n> how do i set a sounddevice as standard? i have the soundoutput on the mainboard, but the mic is in the webcam thats connected through usb.. i have made it work in gnomemeeting, but i cant get it work in skype.. :s i actually just have to select the camera as mic in skype but i cant find any options for that in skype.. but it would be nice if i could have selected it as standard mic globally in the system, and not only in skype...
[02:16] <kafeine> gnight
[02:17] <amblin_> Mobus, frontend or ide?
[02:17] <kyncani> jnr_Ubun2: you'll have to ask someone else, i have no experience in windows or samba, sorry :(
[02:17] <Mobus> ide
[02:17] <satyap> outy
[02:18] <amblin_> lots of them fo g++ but anjuta is gnome
[02:18] <Mobus> anjuta, its aNA ide?
[02:18] <Mobus> IS IT IN SYNAPTIC?
[02:18] <Mobus> sry
[02:18] <Mobus> caps
[02:19] <amblin_> yes
[02:19] <kyncani> Mobus: sure, next time, just type "apt-cache policy anjuta" or search -> anjuta in synaptic
[02:20] <amblin_> i was about to suggest apt-cach search
[02:20] <Mobus> yeah I just serched
[02:20] <Mobus> but I always download from the commabnd line
[02:20] <Mobus> I never download from the GUI
[02:21] <kyncani> Mobus: apt-cache search -i anjuta  then :)
[02:21] <Mobus> tanks
[02:22] <kyncani> Mobus: why do you download from cmd line and install from gui ?
[02:22] <kyncani> why not go all command line or all gui ?
[02:22] <Mobus> I don't
[02:22] <Mobus> I search in the GUI
[02:22] <Mobus> and download and install rom the command line
[02:22] <scott> is there a package that links all the basic compiling tools?
[02:23] <kyncani> scott: build-essential ?
[02:23] <scott> kyncani: thanks
[02:23] <Mobus> does G++ come with the Borland Graphics Interface?
[02:23] <amblin_> no
[02:23] <Mobus> ok...
[02:23] <Mobus> does it come with conio.h?
[02:24] <Mobus> it had better
[02:24] <Mobus> i mean
[02:24] <Mobus> I had a trial version of microsoft visual C++
[02:24] <Mobus> man it sucked
[02:24] <Mobus> it had like NOTHING!
[02:24] <amblin_> why the bgi requirement?
[02:25] <dices2> Mobus: you use gnome or kde ?
[02:25] <Mechcozmo> can't download anything!
[02:25] <phixion> what version of Firefox you using?
[02:25] <dices2> wget is your friend
[02:25] <kyncani> Mobus: apt-file search conio.h  will tell you which package provide conio.h if any (there are). You'll have to install apt-file though
[02:26] <Mechcozmo> uh, whatever one came with ubuntu
[02:26] <Mechcozmo> phixion: whatever version came with Ubuntu
[02:26] <goroth> bonjour
[02:26] <Mechcozmo> apple trademarked that
[02:26] <Mechcozmo> :-p
[02:26] <phixion> u run an apt-get upgrade?
[02:26] <Mechcozmo> yeah
[02:26] <Mechcozmo> well
[02:26] <Mechcozmo> used the Ubuntu updater
[02:26] <FlimFlamMan> etch or ubuntu - which would you pick for a semi-stable workstation?   :-)
[02:26] <Mechcozmo> but it updated
[02:26] <scott> I've heard some new apps are back-ported (what's the proper word they use?) to hoary. are some of these, like a newer version of totem, in some other repository/
[02:27] <goroth> do you help me in french?
[02:27] <Razor-X> goroth: try #ubuntu-fr
[02:27] <goroth> thanx
[02:27] <cfuller> need help with installing on a mini-itx with via chipset
[02:27] <darkmatter> FlimFlamMan: Ubuntu, but only 'coz net-install takes to long
[02:28] <Mechcozmo> cfuller....ya?
[02:28] <sono> hello friends... is anybody having problems with firefox (amd64) after this morning's ubuntu updates?
[02:28] <Mechcozmo> yeah
[02:28] <Mechcozmo> can't download?
[02:28] <kyncani> sono: plenty, read /topic
[02:28] <cfuller> the gui locks up and i can't seen to get the right video driver via doesn't work
[02:28] <sono> Oh I see...
[02:28] <sono> thx dudes
[02:28] <FlimFlamMan> what is the firefox issue?
[02:28] <jnr_Ubun2> i'm trying to allow access to my ubuntu machine on the network so i can print. I had trouble with the password box. How can i get rid of it?. Y'know the usual password box. It's a linux thing, where do you configure access rights etc.?
[02:28] <sono> gonna read
[02:28] <Mechcozmo> i can't download
[02:29] <Mechcozmo> Athlon 2500+
[02:29] <kyncani> FIREFOX: security update that break firefox if you're using some extensions (like tabextension for example)
[02:29] <sono> download, install extensions, open left bars, and is totally an app problem, have tried much. gonna read now.
[02:29] <poningru> ok what do you people recomend for torrent client?
[02:29] <dices2> Azureous
[02:29] <Mechcozmo> kyncani: i've got a virgin FF install, no extentions
[02:29] <Mechcozmo> that's what i was TRYING to install :-)
[02:30] <poningru> azureus sucks
[02:30] <poningru> it uses up too much resources
[02:30] <jnr_Ubun2> Where do you configure access rights?
[02:30] <poningru> does ABC work on linux?
[02:30] <dices2> Azureus does his thing good, better than the rest personally lol
[02:30] <poningru> well yeah but too much resources
[02:30] <amblin_> jnr_Ubun2, you using cups directly or samba?
[02:30] <poningru> hogging
[02:30] <mike> are there other anti-virus scanners besides clamav?
[02:30] <dices2> Azereus plenty to burn =P
[02:31] <mike> clamav alsways says i need to upgrade. dont know if i'm still protected or not
[02:31] <poningru> tornado does not allow more than one download at a time
[02:31] <poningru> for some reason
[02:31] <darkmatter> mike: fprot
[02:31] <Razor-X> I just downgraded ym Azureus
[02:31] <Razor-X> s/ym/my/
[02:31] <jnr_Ubun2> amblin, i'm using Samba
[02:31] <Razor-X> now i'm a much happier person, indeed
[02:31] <jnr_Ubun2> amblin_, i'm using Samba
[02:31] <poningru> anyone tried ABC in linux?
[02:32] <ccc> poningru: use the one that comes with ubuntu if you want lightweight.
[02:32] <Razor-X> I tried bittornado and BitTorrent default
[02:32] <Razor-X> both don't get good speed, for me
[02:32] <poningru> ccc: which one?
[02:32] <IIIEars> mike - clamav is okay it doesn't search very deeply in compressed files. - give f-prot a shot (also free)
[02:32] <Razor-X> i'm gonna try console-ui for Azureus later
[02:32] <poningru> cause tornado only gets one download at a time
[02:32] <kyncani> poningru: gnome-btdownload's cool
[02:32] <poningru> oh
[02:32] <Razor-X> poningru: btdownloadmany
[02:32] <poningru> let me try that
[02:33] <mike> alright
[02:33] <phixion> if gnome-btdownload or bittorrent had download spd cap id use em :/
[02:33] <daryle> I use Azureus and get decent speed.
[02:33] <poningru> Razor-X: is that package?
[02:33] <mike> thanks IIIears
[02:33] <Razor-X> poningru: nopes
[02:33] <Xyc0> Is there an applet that accurately tells your wireless signal strength?  Network Monitor doesn't do that.
[02:33] <Razor-X> included in either BitTorrent or BitTornado
[02:33] <Razor-X> or just lump it in a screen session
[02:33] <Razor-X> one thing really needs to be made in Linux, embeddable mini-screen sessions
[02:33] <Razor-X> that can handle multiple instances of one program, like for you vi users, or multiple console apps, or such
[02:34] <Razor-X> and they can be embedded in screen sessions
[02:34] <Razor-X> no need for that in emacs buffers, but screen is still pretty awesome, don't wish any ill on the project ;)
[02:34] <scott> anyone know the name of the X dev packages?
[02:34] <Xyc0> What is the name of an applet that reports the current wireless signal strength?
[02:34] <phixion> there is no way of capping dload speed in bittorent right?
[02:34] <bruker11> Hi! Can I install kubuntu from a harddisk?  I've added initrd.gz and vmlinuz in /boot and booted installer from lilo sucsessfully. But installer gives no option for installation from hard disk (fat32)
[02:35] <Razor-X> phixion: of _course_ there is!
[02:35] <phixion> command?
[02:35] <mrd`> scott: x-dev?
[02:35] <Razor-X> I cap mine at 19 k/s
[02:35] <phixion> i run btdownloadcurses with max_upload_rate...
[02:35] <Razor-X> phixion: what client are you using?
[02:35] <Razor-X> well, that should do it, i'ld think
[02:35] <scott> mrd`: thanks
[02:35] <Razor-X> works for me, anywho
[02:35] <phixion> bittorrent
[02:35] <mrd`> scott: If that doesn't have what you want, try xlibs-dev.
[02:35] <mebaran151> scott, x-dev
[02:35] <mebaran151> wil get most of them
[02:35] <darkmatter> scott: x-window-system-dev
[02:35] <mebaran151> gtk-dev will get alot of them too
[02:35] <jmspeex> Any plans on updating firefox? 1.0.2 is kinda buggy...
[02:35] <phixion> well, im running azureus atm, but id rather use bittorrent, if there was a way to cap dload speed.
[02:35] <mrd`> Anyone have a working link to the video of Mark Shuttleworth singing?
[02:36] <Xyc0> bruker11: http://www.kubuntu.org/
[02:36] <kyncani> bruker11: i don't think you can install gnu/linux on fat32. You need reiserfs or ext3 (for the most popular ones)
[02:36] <jon__> awesome.
[02:36] <jnr_Ubun2> Can anyone recommend any OS Internet timing software - i.e. for a wireless
[02:36] <jnr_Ubun2> gateway in an Internet caf, so people can buy prepaid time etc.?
[02:36] <boga> bruker11: nope! That is not possible the way you are trying.
[02:36] <darkmatter> that's the dev meta package
[02:36] <lsuactiafner> jnr_Ubun2 : rtc in your kernel... /dev/rtc
[02:36] <lsuactiafner> real time clock
[02:36] <bruker11> boga: so what to do then?
[02:37] <nuky> hi, i've made lots of progress and just need a teeny bit of help to complete my usb hard disk installation.. if anyone can help PLEEEEEASE IM me as i don't want to clutter up the chat.. thanks heaps in advance.. i'm nearly done..
[02:37] <IIIEars> jnr_Ubun2 - try sourceforge - there are several
[02:37] <kyncani> bruker11: use the installer to format your fat32 partition to reiserfs or ext3
[02:37] <ccc> jon__: :D
[02:37] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: when are we throwing that winxp bashin party?
[02:38] <Xyc0> Is there a reason that Ubuntu installs on EXT3 as opposed to RiserFS?
[02:38] <bruker11> I am installing FROM a fat32 partition, NOT to it. The installation partitions are ok
[02:38] <IIIEars> hehe - i just got lazy and pitched it in a dumpster.
[02:38] <bruker11> sourcetarget i mean
[02:38] <sproingie> Xyc0: defaults are easier to support.  use the expert installer if you want something else. i installed mine on xfs
[02:38] <Xyc0> sproingie: but why pick Ext3?
[02:38] <FLeiXiuS> sproingie: Wouldn't XFS be a bit slower for local file moving.
[02:38] <poningru> Razor-X: are you saying bittornado should handle more than one download at a time?
[02:39] <Razor-X> 1.5 hrs remaining in my download ;)
[02:39] <sproingie> Xyc0: because it's stable
[02:39] <Razor-X> poningru: I thought it could
[02:39] <kyncani> bruker11: oh, got it wrong then, sorry
[02:39] <Razor-X> but, if not, use a screen session
[02:39] <sproingie> FLeiXiuS: xfs is zoomzoom fast on x86-64
[02:39] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: what  pirated d/l are you getting now?
[02:39] <bruker11> got no burner you see...
[02:39] <Razor-X> oh yeah, is Reiser4 supported by Ubuntu?
[02:39] <IIIEars> hybrid_goth - salvaged a pair of very nice 40g HDs- (packrat lol)
[02:39] <darkmatter> sproingie: so is Reiser
[02:39] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: it (this one, at least) isn't pirated ;)
[02:39] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: yes it is
[02:39] <Razor-X> it's anime
[02:39] <FLeiXiuS> sproingie: I can concur with you on that one :-P.  But, I've not about to create a chroot environment.  I'm opposed to that.
[02:39] <Razor-X> errr, wait....
[02:39] <kafeine> Razor-X, no it isn't:) not yet, anyway
[02:39] <Razor-X> *cough* i'm downloading nothing
[02:40] <kafeine> it still aint in vanilla
[02:40] <Xyc0> darkmatter: I donno, i just tried reiser, and i get alot of package errors
[02:40] <dices2> Anyone knows if it is possible to mount a partition making the owner of all the files in it to the one that mounts it ?  (ext3 partition)
[02:40] <sproingie> darkmatter: i don't trust reiserfs, i've had it eat my data several times
[02:40] <Razor-X> it's anime, thought, i'll admit that much
[02:40] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: ok dont d/l wedding crashers or charlie and chocolate factory from mininova
[02:40] <hybrid_goth> anime pwns
[02:40] <Razor-X> s/<\ht\>/h/
[02:40] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: ?
[02:40] <Razor-X> ok
[02:40] <Razor-X> that's a regexp
[02:40] <Xyc0> I AM 100% RID OF M$ weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[02:40] <Razor-X> (if I got it right)
[02:40] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: the mpaa is seeding it
[02:41] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: ahhh, really?
[02:41] <hybrid_goth> Xyc0: congrats
[02:41] <Razor-X> but, is the movie a real movie? XD
[02:41] <Xyc0> cedega helps alot
[02:41] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: yup it was on digg.com and i followed it up
[02:41] <mrd`> Ubuntu defaults to ext3 because it works well enough for most users and gracefully handles abrupt loss of power.
[02:41] <Razor-X> I'm thinking of making a nice little partition of Reiser4 on here
[02:41] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: no it is to catch ppl like us-- err you
[02:41] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: hehe, I understand
[02:41] <Razor-X> I don't download movies much, though, mostly anime
[02:42] <kyncani> Xyc0: cedega for games ?
[02:42] <catolh> Is the libxcom included in the ubuntu package? Trying to install Firefox 1.0.6 but i get the message i dont have libxcom..
[02:42] <sproingie> libxcom: libufodefense
[02:42] <Xyc0> kyncani: yea, the only thing holding me back from borking windows
[02:42] <kyncani> Xyc0: i understand.
[02:42] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: i get music and videos like systm
[02:42] <bruker11> if i can not use a hard disk as source for installation of kubuntu, i'll stick with slack
[02:42] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: I occasionally get music, quite occasionally
[02:42] <Xyc0> kyncani: there are alot of FPS now for linux
[02:43] <Razor-X> I get books a lot, though
[02:43] <Razor-X> not fiction, nonfiction
[02:43] <Xyc0> UT, Doom, Quake
[02:43] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: i got AC/DC back in black from bt it was AWESOME
[02:43] <kyncani> Xyc0: got unreal and nwn, they're fine. Still missing some real-time strategy though
[02:43] <dices2> Anyone knows if it is possible to mount a partition making the owner of all the files in it to the one that mounts it ?  (ext3 partition)
[02:43] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: they need more FLAC on BT
[02:43] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: i get programming books from it that and hitchhikers guide
[02:43] <Xyc0> kyncani: every try glob2?
[02:43] <Xyc0> ever*
[02:44] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: yeah, programming books here
[02:44] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: flac? ogg!
[02:44] <darkmatter> NWN is sweet under Linux
[02:44] <sproingie> ogg is lossy.  flac is not
[02:44] <IIIEars> kyncani - UT loki UT-2k4 native , FarCry loki, Americas Army,MOHAA etc
[02:44] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: ogg is lossy
[02:44] <hybrid_goth> is flac open source
[02:44] <Razor-X> I rip everything in FLAC
[02:44] <mrd`> Yes.
[02:44] <Razor-X> of _course_
[02:44] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:44] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: yes
[02:44] <Razor-X> FREE Lossless Audio Codec
[02:44] <kyncani> Xyc0: once i think, (felt not that entertaning though) .. looking for smthing like starcraft, warcraft, aoe
[02:44] <Razor-X> Free as in libre, not as in beer
[02:44] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:44] <Xyc0> kyncani: SC works great on cedega
[02:44] <mrd`> It's free as in both.
[02:45] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: may have to try that. how big is a standard flac song
[02:45] <sproingie> what's flac's compression ratio like?
[02:45] <kyncani> Xyc0: a little old though ;)
[02:45] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: well, FLAC can do about 50% compression
[02:45] <Xyc0> SC rocks
[02:45] <Xyc0> :D
[02:45] <Razor-X> nothing compared to MP3 or OGG, but awesome quality
[02:45] <IIIEars> kyncani - loki has adapted installers for quite a few popular games.
[02:45] <hybrid_goth> wow
[02:45] <kyncani> Xyc0: i have sc and war3 on wine, they're fine
[02:45] <Razor-X> but it can do magic to Classical
[02:45] <mike> when installing programs should i move the tar.gz file to /usr/bin or /usr/sbin?
[02:46] <mrd`> mike: You shouldn't put a tar.gz file in either of those.
[02:46] <kyncani> IIIEars: yeah, i've seen one the other day i may try, don't remember the name right now
[02:46] <Razor-X> right now I have Iced Earth (Night of the Stormrider) and Pink Floyd (Dark Side of The Moon (missing two songs, thanks to a friend who abused his CD)) on my HDD right now
[02:46] <mike> folder only? mrd`?
[02:46] <Xyc0> kyncani: wine has always been iffy with me
[02:46] <mrd`> mike: What's in the .tar.gz file?
[02:46] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: ever listen too NIN? or Lamb of God? i love Floyd and Iced Earth
[02:47] <mike> clam-av
[02:47] <IIIEars> Wine is a "PIA" - better than gin i have heard though. - lol
[02:47] <hybrid_goth> o_0
[02:47] <mrd`> mike: Is it a source package for it?
[02:47] <mike> yea
[02:47] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: heh
[02:47] <ubuntu> here on live cd, how to extract pics of my digital cam?
[02:47] <mike> i have it already from apt mrd` but its an older version
[02:48] <Muelli> Hi Folks! My MPlayer and all other progs are hanging while accessing my sound (i suggest..) .. How to debug this?
[02:48] <mrd`> mike: Is the version from apt not new enough for you?
[02:48] <mike> synaptic doesn' have the newest one, so i downloaded the new source
[02:48] <Xyc0> Muelli: Change the output plugin to one that supports your sound drivers
[02:48] <ubuntu> Muelli I got the same problem here!
[02:48] <kyncani> Xyc0,IIIEars: there were this one game, but i think it needs an old libc. That may be the sign that it won't be supported in a year or two ..
[02:49] <kyncani> (don't remember the name)
[02:49] <Xyc0> good info he he
[02:49] <kyncani> :)
[02:50] <Muelli> Xyc0: It isn't that easy 'cos all my sound is scrambled up I think.. Every Software which wants to access my sound hangs up... O_o
[02:50] <amblin_> Muelli, system->preferences->multimedia system selector, what's the default sink for audio output
[02:50] <codecaine> can someone tell me how to keep speedstep_centrino from loading up?
[02:50] <Muelli> ESD
[02:50] <Xyc0> Muelli: That is because it is using the wrong output
[02:50] <Gnobody> is x still broken on breezy?
[02:50] <Xyc0> Muelli: Pick a program you wanna fix, maybe i can walk you through
[02:50] <Muelli> Hmm.. the test passes *g*
[02:51] <kyncani> Xyc0,IIIEars: kohan, immortal sovereigns, that was the title :)
[02:51] <Muelli> the sink is esdsink
[02:51] <Razor-X> uggghhh!
[02:51] <Razor-X> another CPU spike
[02:51] <mrd`> mike: Have you looked at clamav-freshclam?
[02:51] <Razor-X> why?! I downgraded Azureus
[02:51] <Razor-X> hmmm, just the JAR
[02:51] <Razor-X> i'm gonna rip the whole thing out
[02:52] <IIIEars> sounds good - just frustrated enough with my struggle with ditributing restore images over lan at this moment to try a new games
[02:52] <codecaine> where do i go to keep modules from loading in the kernel???
[02:52] <Razor-X> maybe because there's too much RAM being used... hmmm :(
[02:52] <Muelli> Hmm.. But why does my ALSA not work, or better: How do I get it work?
[02:53] <amblin_> kyncani, loki did a "real" linux port of kohan if i remember correctly
[02:54] <kyncani> amblin: yeah, i think so. But as i said, it needs and old glibc and maybe that's a sign that it won't work at all in a year or two ?
[02:54] <Xyc0> Muelli: What sound driver are you using?
[02:54] <amblin_> ywah
[02:54] <amblin_> err yeah
[02:55] <mrd`> You can have multiple libcs installed.
[02:55] <amblin_> i miss loki... so much down the tubes
[02:55] <Razor-X> hmmmm, wow, I only have 22948 MB of memory not used...
[02:55] <Xyc0> Razor-X: what did you fill it with
[02:55] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: that pR0n fills up HHD quick
[02:56] <Razor-X> not HDD
[02:56] <Razor-X> psshhh, my HDD is a 40 GB
[02:56] <hybrid_goth> heh
[02:56] <Razor-X> and this partition is 5 GB
[02:56] <Xyc0> Hot Hard Drive
[02:56] <Xyc0> with the pron
[02:56] <hybrid_goth> harddrive disc
[02:56] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:56] <Razor-X> cat /proc/meminfo: Inactive: 22948 kb
[02:56] <Muelli> Xyc0, a good question.. I didnt built the kernel... :-\ How do I check that out?
[02:57] <mrd`> Hard disk drive, but who's counting.
[02:57] <codecaine> what's the equivalent to /etc/modules.conf in ubuntu???
[02:57] <mrd`> codecaine: /etc/modules maybe?
[02:57] <Xyc0> Muelli: well, lets start with what sound card you are using.
[02:57] <codecaine> mrd, yes thanks
[02:57] <codecaine> arch linux
[02:58] <IIIEars> Razor - nonone talks about the good pr0n does for the hardware manufacturing industry. - a lot of new hard drives needed - lol
[02:58] <codecaine> mrd, im looking to stop speedstep_centrino from loading but its not in /etc/modules where else would it be loaded?
[02:58] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: wget is nice for pR0n right nalioth ?
[02:58] <mrd`> codecaine: You want /etc/hotplug/blacklist then.
[02:58] <codecaine> mrd, ok.  which file is actually loading it?
[02:58] <mrd`> IIIEars: It's also responsible for advancing broadband, new video codecs, and jpeg2000's adoption.
[02:59] <IIIEars> heh
[02:59] <hybrid_goth> mrd`: really?
[02:59] <hybrid_goth> =D
[02:59] <Razor-X> hello?
[02:59] <Muelli> Hmm Xyc0.. I think it should be Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
[02:59] <Razor-X> ahh, there we are
[02:59] <amblin_> id go with broadband.. no lie
[02:59] <Razor-X> needed a router restart hmmm
[02:59] <mrd`> codecaine: hotplug is loading it because it probably thinks you have a centrino system; if you add speedstep_centrino to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, it won't load it at boot time.
[03:00] <Xyc0> Muelli: I would use Esound
[03:00] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: linksys wireless b?
[03:00] <codecaine> mrd, thanks yes i do have centrino, but i need to try and remove it so my system runs full speed always, as im seeing performance issues with a centrino 1.6ghz
[03:00] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: Netgear MR something-er-other
[03:01] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: ah cuz i got to reset mine when power goes out
[03:01] <codecaine> mrd, how about laptop_mode, doesn't that turn down the disks too?  sometimes system takes a sec to respond quickly
[03:01] <Razor-X> no, I needed to restart because the webadmin stopped working
[03:01] <Muelli> Xyc: I suppose thats a good idea, but why shouldn't I use ALSA? Or is that something completly different?
[03:01] <Razor-X> guess even routers need restarts
[03:01] <Razor-X> haven't restarted this in half a year, I'm guessing
[03:01] <scott> is there an easy way to have make/autogen etc output colored?
[03:02] <mrd`> codecaine: I *suspect* hotplug is auto loading laptop_mode too, but I can't be certain.
[03:02] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: wow
[03:02] <codecaine> mrd`, i think laptop_mode is in 2.6 kernel???
[03:02] <codecaine> it's not a module showing up in lsmod
[03:02] <Xyc0> Muelli: ALSA is for Audigy class soundcards
[03:03] <mrd`> codecaine: /etc/default/laptop-mode
[03:03] <Muelli> args
[03:03] <codecaine> mrd`, sweet thanks man.
[03:04] <codecaine> fast answers!
[03:04] <codecaine> mrd`, what do i need to restart to make laptop-mode change go in effect?
[03:05] <Muelli> Xyc0: We are talking 'bout drivers, right? Kind of kernel addons to communicate with the hardware. You're sure, that ALSA is just for Audigy Soundcards? Well, anyway. I need something what (emulates) ALSA or OSS :-\
[03:05] <mrd`> codecaine: Run 'sudo /usr/sbin/laptop-mode stop'.
[03:05] <Xyc0> Muelli: What exactly is your goal?
[03:05] <mrd`> Muelli: No, ALSA is for all sound cards.
[03:06] <mrd`> Xyc0: ALSA stands for Advanced Linux Sound Architecture.
[03:06] <codecaine> mrd`, great. impressive.
[03:06] <Muelli> My primary goal is to get stepmania working. Stepmania needs ALSA or OSS hardware. Secondary goal is to get mplayer & stuff working properly.
[03:07] <mrd`> Muelli: Do you have sound in Ubuntu?
[03:07] <amblin_> Muelli, system->preferences->multimedia system selector, what's the default sink for audio output
[03:07] <codecaine> mrd`, for speedstep to unload would i have to logout completely to do that?
[03:07] <hacked`> guys, how can i find out what kind of wifi card i have on my laptop
[03:07] <Xyc0> Muelli: use oss, alsa is not for all sound cards
[03:07] <Antinomy> help!
[03:07] <amblin_> if it's alsa.. then that's will be a prblem
[03:07] <hacked`> i mean its working, i just want to know
[03:07] <Antinomy> I got ubuntu to run
[03:07] <codecaine> hacked`, maybe hal-device-manager
[03:07] <mrd`> Xyc0: Stop spreading lies, ALSA is for everything.
[03:07] <Antinomy> it doesn't recognize my keyboard
[03:07] <mrd`> codecaine: 'sudo rmmod speedstep_centrino'.
[03:07] <codecaine> mrd`, tried that said it was in use?
[03:07] <Antinomy> but the mouse works
[03:08] <mrd`> codecaine: What's 'lsmod | grep speedstep_centrino' show?
[03:08] <Antinomy> I'm at the splah - any mouse only ops I can do to fix this?
[03:08] <codecaine> mrd`, agh other dependencies on it, kill them first right?
[03:08] <mrd`> codecaine: Most likely.
[03:08] <Muelli> Xyc0: k.. Then howto use OSS. I mean, i got snd_*_oss loaded :-\
[03:08] <PurpleBlu> I am having a Samba problem.  I have been sitting in the Samba channel for several minutes.  Can anyone help?
[03:09] <mrd`> Muelli: You have ALSA, and Ubuntu includes OSS emulation by default.
[03:09] <mrd`> Muelli: Are you actually experiencing that StepMania isn't working for you, or are you making sure you have everything you need ahead of time?
[03:09] <codecaine> mrd`, freq_table, processor has depend on speedstep
[03:09] <codecaine> mrd`, try removing those and it says in use by speedstep
[03:10] <mrd`> codecaine: You can use 'rmmod -f' to force them to be removed... it /should/ be safe, but no promises. :)
[03:10] <mrd`> codecaine: If you're concerned, rebooting is probably the safest bet.
[03:10] <Muelli> mrd`: Stepmania is telling me, that it couldn't open /dev/dsp :-\
[03:10] <codecaine> mrd`, ok think ill try force :)
[03:10] <Muelli> And by the way all my multimedia apps seem to be broken. At least they hang when they should play a movie or something
[03:11] <amblin_> Muelli, are you using stock ubuntu, gnome?
[03:11] <Muelli> (maybe a reboot helps *g*)
[03:11] <mrd`> Muelli: You have a '/dev/dsp' device, right?
[03:11] <codecaine> mrd`, worked
[03:11] <mrd`> codecaine: Cool.
[03:11] <codecaine> mrd`, thank you for your help
[03:11] <koji-kabuto-work> Good night, they excuse, installs Mplayer with codecs that explains the guide, I I want to reproduce video in mozilla-firefox.  Install mplayerplug-in, you load the buffer and when reproducing remains unemployed, who can be?
[03:11] <mrd`> codecaine: No problem.
[03:12] <Muelli> mrd`: Yeah. At least I got an entry in my filesystem named /dev/dsp *g*
[03:12] <Xyc0> did anyone get what koji-kabuto-work said?
[03:12] <Muelli> amblin: what do you mean by "stock ubuntu" ?
[03:12] <mrd`> koji-kabuto-work: Pardon?
[03:12] <Xyc0> I think hes using a translator
[03:13] <mrd`> Muelli: He's just making sure you haven't messed around with the system or are using something other than Ubuntu 5.04 or 4.10.
[03:13] <koji-kabuto-work> Mplayer in firefox does not work to me
[03:13] <slask3n> how do i set a sounddevice as standard? i have the soundoutput on the mainboard, but the mic is in the webcam thats connected through usb.. i have made it work in gnomemeeting, but i cant get it work in skype.. :s i actually just have to select the camera as mic in skype but i cant find any options for that in skype.. but it would be nice if i could have selected it as standard mic globally in the system, and not only in skype...
[03:14] <codecaine> mrd`, im looking in /proc/cpufreq /proc/cpuinfo i dont see where it says what my current processor speed is, is this the correct place to look?
[03:14] <amblin_> koji-kabuto-work, you have installed mozplugger?
[03:14] <mrd`> codecaine: In /proc/cpuinfo, the 'cpu MHz' line is your current speed.
[03:15] <codecaine> mrd`, stuck on 500mhz then, im running 1.6ghz
[03:15] <codecaine> mrd`, a reboot would maybe fix that?
[03:15] <mrd`> slask3n: You can specify your default audio source in System->Preferences->Multimedia Systems Selector.
[03:15] <IIIEars>  mrd - is there a command toprint that info to screen without opening the file/
[03:15] <koji-kabuto-work> amblin _ everything installed including mozplugger
[03:15] <mrd`> codecaine: Check if powernowd is running (e.g. 'ps -A | grep powernowd')
[03:15] <amblin_> mrd`, im guessing that he has it set to alsa instead of esound?
[03:15] <mrd`> IIIEars: What info?
[03:16] <codecaine> mrd`, yes it is
[03:16] <IIIEars> mrd - cpu frequency?
[03:16] <PurpleBlu> Anyone use Samba around here?
[03:16] <mrd`> codecaine: Try killing it.
[03:16] <codecaine> mrd`, is powernowd something that works with speedstep_centrino?
[03:16] <hybrid_goth> PurpleBlu: yes
[03:16] <nuky> hi, i'm trying to install my external usb hard disk and once i plug it in it says that everything is ok in the /var/log/messages but then after a while (a few minutes) this gets added:Jul 23 02:13:27 localhost kernel: acpi-cpufreq: Transition failed, Jul 23 02:13:30 localhost kernel: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery: host 3 channel 0 id 0 lun 0, does anyone know what that means?
[03:16] <mrd`> IIIEars: Like 'grep "cpu MHz" /proc/cpuinfo'?
[03:16] <mrd`> Muelli: Is this a single user system?
[03:16] <koji-kabuto-work> the buffer this good, but the reproduction does not make it
[03:17] <IIIEars> mrd - ah - nice tip
[03:17] <IIIEars> Thanks :)
[03:17] <PurpleBlu> hybrid_goth I am having problems getting it to work.  I got to Administrative mode, and nothing
[03:17] <amblin_> koji-kabuto-work, can mplayer play the video outside of firefox?
[03:17] <codecaine> mrd`, killed but still same mhz
[03:17] <mrd`> IIIEars: I suppose 'grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo' is even simpler.
[03:17] <hybrid_goth> PurpleBlu: what are you going to connect to?
[03:17] <mrd`> codecaine: Hm... my next guess would be reboot, sorry. :)
[03:18] <codecaine> mrd`, no biggie, should i stop powernowd from starting too?
[03:18] <BockBilbo> anyone knows whats the name of those typical window maker docks?
[03:18] <PurpleBlu> hybrid_goth I was told I can network a external HDD with a Windows Box if I used Samba
[03:18] <koji-kabuto-work> if, it reproduces videos without problems, single the problem is with firefox
[03:18] <mrd`> codecaine: It probably wouldn't hurt, though I don't expect it can do anything without speedstep_centrino loaded.
[03:18] <IIIEars> mrd' - GAWD i LOVE linux. - hehe
[03:19] <PurpleBlu> hybrid_goth I wanna network my external HDD.  Cause on Linux box I have the USB 2.0
[03:19] <hybrid_goth> PurpleBlu: yes in windows turn on file sharing and share that HDD
[03:19] <hybrid_goth> is the HDD on the linux or windows box
[03:19] <Muelli> mrd`: Yes it is
[03:19] <andares> Chinese? =O!
[03:19] <codecaine> mrd`, ok
[03:19] <PurpleBlu> hybrid_goth I want to connect the HDD to Linux box.  The share it from there.  Can I do that?
[03:20] <koji-kabuto-work> single the problem is with firefox
[03:20] <hybrid_goth> PurpleBlu: yes
[03:20] <codecaine> mrd`, doing all this because if i load debian sarg with gnome my system is snappy, yet ubuntu is a bit sluggish
[03:20] <codecaine> mrd`, i was thinking maybe cause all these modules
[03:20] <nuky> when i plug in the usb drive, it is recognised and everything by ubuntu but there is no associates sd? to it.. does anyone know how i get that? all the tutorials say it's in the /var/log/messages when i plug it in but that only says about the scsi..
[03:20] <hybrid_goth> PurpleBlu: windows file sharing needs to be on
[03:20] <Velcan> what's the command again to run the xorg reconfig script?
[03:20] <codecaine> nuky, i normally do a tail /var/log/messages or dmesg
[03:20] <hybrid_goth> imho it would be easier to connect it to the windows box
[03:20] <IIIEars> PerpleBlu - Yes you can. - works very well. - takes a few moments for your machine to be accepted on the lan so be patient.
[03:20] <mrd`> codecaine: It's possible... on my system I actually prefer having the extra battery time over a super speedy system. :)
[03:20] <PurpleBlu> hybrid_goth can you walk me through what I got to do?
[03:20] <koji-kabuto-work> mplayer reproduces PC videos
[03:21] <hybrid_goth> PurpleBlu: /msg me
[03:21] <codecaine> mrd`, i got spoiled by xfce.  wow that is a snappy experience
[03:21] <mrd`> Muelli: Hm... so you're using the user account the installer created for you too?
[03:21] <mrd`> codecaine: Pfft, tty0. :)
[03:21] <codecaine> mrd`, tty0?
[03:22] <nuky> codecaine: yeah i tried tail /var/log/messages but there's no section that mentions an sd? value.. only scsi3...
[03:22] <IIIEars> PurpleBlu - taskbar > places > connect to server or connect to servers and select "windows share
[03:22] <Velcan> !xorg
[03:22] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Velcan
[03:22] <mrd`> codecaine: I think the first virtual terminal... but maybe I just made that up.
[03:22] <codecaine> nuky, i thought you said a usb device?
[03:22] <Velcan> :(
[03:22] <Muelli> mrd`: yes. Why aer you asking?
[03:22] <kyncani> Velcan: dpkg-reconfigure ?
[03:22] <Velcan> yea
[03:22] <codecaine> mrd`, oh ok thats what i had figured
[03:22] <nuky> i formatted it to fat32 too
[03:22] <codecaine> ps/0 is console tty's are ssh's right?
[03:22] <mrd`> Muelli: Just making sure that you should have access to /dev/dsp.
[03:22] <Velcan> what's the last part
[03:22] <Velcan> xsession-xorg er something
[03:22] <kyncani> Velcan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:23] <Velcan> kk thanks
[03:23] <kyncani> ;)
[03:23] <codecaine> mrd`, do you use vi or vim?
[03:23] <mrd`> codecaine: Emacs.
[03:23] <mrd`> Muelli: Has sound ever worked for you since installing Ubuntu?
[03:23] <codecaine> mrd`, agh was gonna ask if sometimes you get like a second or two delay after you write a change and close like :wq
[03:24] <Muelli> mrd`,
[03:24] <Muelli> arg
[03:24] <nuky> please can anyone help with this.. i have tried all the tutorials i could find... i just need to know where to get a sd? from so i can mount.. because my linux doesn't seem to be assigning one automatically..
[03:24] <codecaine> nuky, for usb drive?
[03:24] <nuky> yeah
[03:24] <mrd`> nuky: Do you have /dev/sda1 or anything?
[03:24] <Muelli> mrd`: yeah. It actually does :-) xine plays sound
[03:25] <IIIEars> PurpleBlu - consider Openssh for file transfers - a bit more effort to set up but less likely hacked
[03:25] <mrd`> Muelli: Hm...
[03:25] <nuky> nah, there aren't any sda or anything.. but in the device manager and lsusb, the usb mass storage drive is recognised
[03:25] <Muelli> I think I'll try a reboot in a minute :-/
[03:26] <mrd`> nuky: Is udev running? ('ps -A | grep udev')
[03:26] <nuky> i think so.. it outputted:  1140 ?        00:00:00 udevd
[03:27] <mrd`> Hm.
[03:27] <pc1_> excuse, not to be written ingles well
[03:28] <sproingie> !es
[03:28] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:28] <nuky> i can hear the disk spinning too.. before when it didn't recognise it, the disk didn't do anything but now the little red light is on on the casing but it doesn't go off or do anything..
[03:29] <hybrid_goth> how do you share a folder in linux
[03:29] <mrd`> nuky: Sorry, no clue... I would expect udev would have added it automagically, but if it's not I'm lost.
[03:29] <[2] BoxingFiend> !fr
[03:29] <ubotu> fr is, like, http://fr.ubuntuguide.org/ "Merci" to fr.ubuntuguide.org
[03:29] <[2] BoxingFiend> !vi
[03:29] <ubotu> [2] BoxingFiend: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:29] <codecaine> nuky, does hal-device-manager let u know anything?
[03:30] <IIIEars> hybrid_goth - right click
[03:30] <nuky> so i think it's trying to do something. and at the end of my /var/log/messages there's this line appearing every so often: Jul 23 02:21:00 localhost kernel: acpi-cpufreq: Transition failed
[03:30] <koji-kabuto--> mmmm   that channel nobody conversation, thanks
[03:30] <codecaine> nuky, that looks unrelated to me
[03:30] <jon__> hello, im having a problem with ubuntu, i cant load xwindows and the error i get is XIO: IO error 104 connection reset by peer on xserver :0:0
[03:30] <nuky> codecaine: ah ok, trying it now.. not tried it yet
[03:30] <jon__> can someone help me
[03:31] <mrd`> jon__: What's causing that error?
[03:31] <IIIEars> jon__ - Ask away. - grin - we don't bite. (hybrid_goth has had all of his shots.)
[03:31] <mrd`> jon__: Er, sorry, what're you doing that caused that error?
[03:31] <nuky> oh, the device manager.. yeah it recognises it and has listed it as USB 2.0 mass storage device
[03:32] <nuky> then there's an scsi host interface under it
[03:32] <jon__> well i couldnt change my screen resolution past 640x480 in gnome
[03:32] <mrd`> !xwindows
[03:32] <ubotu> mrd`: No idea
[03:32] <jon__> so i went about editing xorg.config
[03:32] <jon__> eventually i deleted it and created a new one with xorg -configure
[03:32] <jon__> somewhere along the line xwindows stopped loading and i get an error about no screens found
[03:32] <jon__> and that one, the connection reset by peer error
[03:33] <jon__> im thinking i should reinstall my xserver but i dont know how because im very new (and grateful to have found this channel)
[03:33] <codecaine> jon__, did you create a backup?
[03:33] <IIIEars> jon_ - i am kinda new but i am guessing that your video card is using the wrong pci address interface. - try lspci - then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:33] <jon__> =)
[03:33] <jon__> no i didnt
[03:33] <jon__> iiiears: ok
[03:33] <codecaine> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should help out
[03:33] <jon__> iiears: what switches should i use with lspci?
[03:34] <Ahab> I have a quesion about the backports project.  I need to use warty as opposed to hoary, on a paticular machine.  Looking around the ubuntu unoffical guide and the backports pages they just talk about hoary.  Where can I find a url to put in my sources.list file for warty backport packages?
[03:34] <IIIEars> jon__ - lspci - and a long scroll   - maybe lspci | more
[03:35] <Ahab> I tried google with not much luck.
[03:35] <jon__> im very new to linux and i've never used the lspci command before so i dont know what arguments or switches to include
[03:35] <jon__> i dont even know what the point of using it is
[03:37] <mrd`> jon__: lspci -v will give you a more verbose listing.
[03:37] <poningru> anyone using bitornado does it allow more than one download at once?
[03:37] <mrd`> jon__: The man pages are also useful if you're going to be poking around in the command line for long, e.g. 'man lspci'.
[03:37] <IIIEars> jon__ - ls is list pci is pci devices
[03:38] <slask3n> mrd`: sorry, for responding so slow.. but in smutimedia system selector, i can only select alsa, esd, oss, silence or custom.. i want to select my cam as my default microphone and not the input on the soundcard.. do you know how to do that?
[03:39] <b_e_n_z> whenever i download stuff from within firefox (like clicking on a file), it blinks for a second and nothing happens...
[03:40] <mrd`> slask3n: Sorry, I don't know how Skype is accessing your webcam's mic... do you have many other applications that you need to configure for your mic?
[03:40] <hacked`> guys
[03:40] <hacked`> what do i have to search for in synaptic to get the linux source files
[03:41] <desrt> linux-source
[03:41] <crimsun> hacked`: linux-source-2.6.10
[03:41] <codecaine> linux-source
[03:41] <skyhawker> after installation of ubuntu, how can I mount an ntfs partition? I was not able to set the root password in setup, though I believe I changed it in 'Users and Groups' still can't login as root
[03:41] <codecaine> captive-ntfs?
[03:41] <crimsun> !tell skyhawker about sudo
[03:41] <jon__> i get this error: i810(0) no valid modes
[03:41] <codecaine> or the ntfs libs
[03:41] <hybrid_goth> !root
[03:41] <ubotu> rumour has it, root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:41] <slask3n> mrd`: skype uses the systemwide default input device.. and thats the inputchannel on my soundcard and not the webcam, this is what i need to change
[03:41] <desrt> skyhawker; with ubuntu you don't login as root
[03:41] <jon__> when using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:42] <desrt> skyhawker; you login as your normal user and use sudo to execute commands as root
[03:42] <hacked`> thanks guys, the readme that im reading says that i need the kernel include files and configuration must be available
[03:42] <mrd`> slask3n: Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you said you configured Skype to use a different input source than the system default.
[03:42] <mrd`> slask3n: Do you know if your webcam's mic is supported by Linux?
[03:42] <poningru> I think we need two support rooms
[03:42] <nuky> wooo hooo!! :D i got the external usb hdd working... i set everything and restarted but this time with it powered on.. does anyone have any suggestions as to how i can work around that? as i had to plug the double ended usb to my pc to give it power and i won't always have the other pc around..
[03:42] <hacked`> guys, have any of you install the madwifi driver in ubuntu ?
[03:42] <poningru> one for a little expert help
[03:42] <poningru> and one for noob help
[03:42] <desrt> hacked`; ya.  from CVS.  works awesomely.
[03:42] <poningru> for people like me
[03:42] <IIIEars> jon__ - add the info to the bus identifier exactly as it it prints out add a 0 (zero if needed - computers just don't translate things well.
[03:43] <hacked`> desrt, do you mind giving me a hand if you can
[03:43] <desrt> hacked`; are you on hoary or breezy?
[03:43] <jon__> iiiears: in xorg.conf?
[03:43] <hacked`> hoary
[03:43] <skyhawker> ah that makes sense, so mounting the ntfs partitions should be no problem with sudo? (and accessable from normal user)
[03:43] <desrt> hacked`; hoary comes with its own version in the restricted modules... should work... what card do you have?
[03:43] <hacked`> desrt, im not really sure, i know its a cisco aironet
[03:44] <nuky> now that it is mounted, is there anything i can add to my fstab that would automatically mount it, even if it isn't turned on when i boot linux?
[03:44] <hacked`> desrt, problem is that i cant set my card to monitor mode, apparently with the madwifi driver i can
[03:44] <mrd`> skyhawker: Yes.
[03:44] <desrt> hacked`; hmm.  for me that just worked right away
[03:44] <desrt> hacked`; using kismet?
[03:44] <IIIEars> jon__ - dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is much easier. - less possibiility of typos
[03:44] <codecaine> nuky, yes
[03:44] <hacked`> desrt, that is correct
[03:45] <stabfacekill> is there someway to make a second menu bar in kubutu?
[03:45] <jon__> iiiears: well that is what i used and i got the error concerning no valid modes for my chipset
[03:45] <desrt> hacked`; i was just able to type 'sudo kismet'
[03:45] <slask3n> mrd`: no, im sorry my english is bad.. but the mic in the cam is working in gnomemeeting cause i can select inpputdevice there...
[03:45] <hacked`> desrt, its not as if my card doesnt work, it works, but i'd like to use madwifi, how can i tell what driver im using for my wifi card
[03:45] <desrt> hacked`; i had to setup the kismet config file first... but it's pretty self-explanatory
[03:45] <mrd`> codecaine: The bigger issue is that udev isn't creating the device nodes---/etc/fstab won't do you any good otherwise.
[03:45] <jon__> the pci address i got from lspci is 0000:00:02.0, so what should i do with that?
[03:45] <mrd`> slask3n: Are there other applications that you use your mic with?
[03:45] <desrt> hacked`; hm.  good question.
[03:45] <stabfacekill> is there someway to make a second bar in kubutu?
[03:45] <codecaine> mrd`, agh yeah so that won't work
[03:45] <IIIEars> jon__ - If you can CHEAT copy a working xorg file from a working session (live CD?)
[03:45] <hacked`> guys, how can i know what driver my wifi card is using
[03:46] <desrt> hacked`; well... see if the ath driver is loaded
[03:46] <desrt> lsmod | grep ath
[03:46] <hacked`> no output
[03:46] <desrt> you're not using madwifi
[03:46] <jon__> iiears: i have a live cd, how would i copy the working xorg.conf over without a floppy drive?
[03:46] <hacked`> i want to then
[03:46] <desrt> hacked`; not all cisco aironet cards work with madwifi
[03:46] <IIIEars> jon__ - hm - email?
[03:46] <desrt> hacked`; most of them work with airo_cs
[03:46] <hacked`> desrt, how do i know
[03:47] <jon__> this channel is lovely by the way, im glad to finally fid support
[03:47] <mrd`> jon__: Boot the live cd, mount the hard disk, then directly copy the file?
[03:47] <desrt> hacked`; b or g?
[03:47] <IIIEars> jon__ - ubuntu.pastebin.com
[03:47] <hacked`> desrt, on the madwifi page, they say Cisco Aironet CB21AG
[03:47] <hacked`> desrt, g
[03:47] <desrt> !
[03:47] <desrt> weird.
[03:47] <ubotu> desrt: I don't know
[03:47] <desrt> ok.  that's one of the madwifi ones, then
[03:47] <slask3n> mrd`, at least i think thats the problem.. that its not the systewide default.. but im not 100% sure.. no i have just tested it in gnomemeeting, and tried to test it in sound recorder now, but i have to reboot, cause the sound recorder and stuff is hanging.. are you here in 5 minutes? i need to reboot, the system is getting unstable :s
[03:47] <hacked`> ya but i dont know which model i have
[03:47] <nuky> i'm really sorry for asking without trying this but i'm worried i'll mess it up and won't be able to see the drive again.. but it's something along these lines that i add to my fstab: /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdrive auto user,noauto 0 0 ?
[03:47] <jon__> i dont have a browser for my install though, because i have no xwindows
[03:47] <stabfacekill> is there someway to make a second desktop bar in kubutu?
[03:47] <desrt> hacked`; oh.. is it a pc card?
[03:47] <hacked`> minipci
[03:48] <mrd`> slask3n: Yeah, I should still be here.
[03:48] <desrt> that should have said "it isn't..." :)
[03:48] <jon__> mrd`: i will try that
[03:48] <slask3n> =)
[03:48] <desrt> hacked`; try lspci
[03:48] <desrt> hacked`; it will tell you
[03:48] <jon__> where is the live cd xorg.conf stored?
[03:48] <skyhawker> what's a good way to find out what hda#s my NTFS partitions are, and how do I mount them
[03:48] <mrd`> jon__: Same place it is now, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:48] <skyhawker> I tried the mount command, but I don't think I know enough about it yet
[03:48] <IIIEars> jon__ - apologies - i am really new.
[03:48] <benplaut> well...
[03:48] <hacked`> desrt: desrt: all it says is: 0000:02:03.0 Network controller: AIRONET Wireless Communications Cisco Aironet Wireless 802.11b
[03:48] <benplaut> WineTools works
[03:48] <codecaine> mrd`, thanks again for help my system is faster now
[03:49] <desrt> hacked`; you're sure it's a 'g' card?
[03:49] <benplaut> Crossover Office works
[03:49] <mrd`> nuky: That looks right, but it won't do you any good if the device nodes aren't created correctly.
[03:49] <hacked`> if im not mistaken it is
[03:49] <desrt> hacked`; the card seems to think it's b
[03:49] <benplaut> what more is there to life?
[03:49] <hacked`> desrt, want me to pull it out ?
[03:49] <benplaut> oh, i forgot
[03:49] <nuky> mrd`: what do you mean? if it doesn't assign the sda? stuff?
[03:49] <IIIEars> jon__ - hm - possible to save it to the restore partition of your windows drive (fat32) - not dead simple but easier than wget
[03:49] <benplaut> Wireless only half works :P
[03:50] <codecaine> nuky, /dev/sda1 won't exist so it won't work
[03:50] <desrt> hacked`; might be an idea?
[03:50] <desrt> hacked`; lsmod | grep airo
[03:50] <ramblingturtle> skyhawker:  try a program called gparted
[03:50] <codecaine> nuky, udevd creates those device files automagically
[03:50] <desrt> just out of curiosity
[03:50] <mrd`> nuky: That line tells 'mount' to use /dev/sda1 for it's data, but if /dev/sda1 doesn't exist it won't do you any good.
[03:50] <hacked`> airo       63776  0
[03:50] <desrt> and it's working?
[03:50] <hacked`> sure is
[03:50] <desrt> you -so- have a b card :)
[03:51] <nuky> oh i see.. making a little more sense now.. hmm... thanks.. will try some other stuff and see what happens..
[03:51] <hacked`> quite possible
[03:51] <jon__> iiiears: so how would i do that?
[03:51] <hacked`> can with try with this madwifi, or whats the situation
[03:51] <desrt> hacked`; not unless it's a g
[03:52] <stabfacekill> is there someway to make a second desktop bar in kubutu?
[03:52] <desrt> like, you can try to load the atheros drivers.. but it will almost definitely just do nothing
[03:52] <hacked`> desrt, why not unless its a g
[03:52] <desrt> hacked`; the two different models of the card (b, g) use two different chipsets
[03:52] <desrt> and therefore two different drivers
[03:52] <hacked`> so CB21AG is g?
[03:52] <anto9us> stabfacekill: yes, but you'll find better answers in #kubuntu I would bet
[03:52] <desrt> yes
[03:52] <stabfacekill> oh I'm sorry
[03:52] <mrd`> stabfacekill: Sorry, I can't help you, but fyi it's 'kubuntu', not 'kubutu'.
[03:52] <stabfacekill> I didn't know it existed
[03:53] <hacked`> want me to pull it out to confirm? i thought in windows it was a g
[03:53] <anto9us> stabfacekill: no problem :)
[03:53] <desrt> hacked`; sure.. take a look
[03:53] <desrt> hacked`; write down the exact model number too.. and any part numbers or anything you find
[03:53] <hacked`> desrt, dont leave though
[03:53] <desrt> hacked`; k.
[03:53] <desrt> btw
[03:54] <desrt> you can try 'modprobe ath_pci'
[03:54] <nuky> ok.. i don't think it's linux.. it seems to be that the laptop usb doesn't provide enough power for it.. and it has to have an external power supply of some sort.. then it's fine and assigns all the necessary sda things...
[03:54] <desrt> hacked`; but i doubt it will do anything :)
[03:54] <codecaine> nuky, looks like you figured it out
[03:54] <slask3n> mrd`: i cant make sound recorder record anything :s
[03:54] <nuky> thanks guys.. :)
[03:54] <mrd`> slask3n: What webcam do you have?
[03:54] <PurpleBlu> IIIEars, Okay when I got to Remote Places I see Samba Share and add Netwrok Folder
[03:55] <hacked`> desrt: says cisco aironet mp1350    u58h004.03     0344096-00
[03:55] <anto9us> slask3n: have you checked your mixer settings?
[03:55] <slask3n> Logitech Quickcam Messenger
[03:55] <codecaine> mrd`, i got another for ya.  when i run prelink on my system firefox, thunderbird don't prelink cause it says can't find some of the dependent libraries, do you know anything about that?
[03:55] <desrt> hacked`; b
[03:55] <slask3n> anto9us: yes
[03:55] <luckyaba_> does anyone know how to get a graphical verson of bitchx.. mine only works in the terminal.. i am on gnome with ubuntu
[03:56] <IIIEars> PurpleBlu - change to your windows machine for the right path name enter that on your linux machine.
[03:56] <mrd`> luckyaba_: bitchx is terminal only... you should look at Xchat or Gaim if you want a gui client.
[03:56] <hacked`> desrt, that sucks, so theres no way to get kismet to work then is there
[03:56] <anto9us> slask3n: and your capture device is selected?
[03:56] <desrt> hacked`; not unless the cisco driver does monitor mode (i don't know if it does)
[03:56] <PurpleBlu> IIIEars, wait say that again.  I have both machines next to be.  Linux Desktop and Windows Notebook.
[03:56] <luckyaba_> ohh... well ill be
[03:56] <luckyaba_> ty
[03:57] <slask3n> mrd`: it didnt work at all earlier today but a guy here was kind enough to fix it for me.. he fixed the alsa settings and the mixer
[03:57] <mrd`> codecaine: Not sure, do you know where the libraries it's complaining about are located on the hard drive?  If so, check that they're listed in /etc/prelink.conf.
[03:57] <benplaut> Xchat is really good.. try it
[03:57] <luckyaba_> thats what im using now
[03:57] <desrt> hacked`; see this maybe http://www.bastard.net/~kos/wifi/monitor-cisco.html
[03:57] <codecaine> mrd`, ok i will look thx
[03:57] <slask3n> mrd`: so now my only prob is to get it defaulti think...
[03:58] <codecaine> mrd`, make sure the paths to those libs are listed in that file?
[03:58] <slask3n> anto9us: what capture setting?
[03:58] <mrd`> slask3n: Is the Multimedia Systems Selector set to ALSA?
[03:58] <slask3n> anto9us: what capture device i mean
[03:58] <anto9us> slask3n: you need to set the device that captures the recording in the mixer
[03:59] <slask3n> no it was set to esd, but now its alsa
[03:59] <mrd`> codecaine: I *think* so... I'm not familiar enough with the /etc/prelink.conf file to know if those directories are recursively crawled or not... but adding extras shouldn't hurt.
[03:59] <poningru> anyone know why bitornado is not allowing me to download more than one file at a time?
[04:00] <dabaR> ls
[04:00] <desrt> hmm
[04:00] <codecaine> k
[04:00] <codecaine> mrd`, where do you live?
[04:00] <desrt> my wireless access point sends out beacons very erratically
[04:00] <mrd`> codecaine: Texas.
[04:01] <luckyaba_> does anyone know about proxies and shell accounts?
[04:01] <hybrid_goth> for...
[04:01] <luckyaba_> I'm wondering if it would be worth it to get a shell account or can i just use free proxy for irc.. net ?
[04:01] <slask3n> aah.. fuck.. now it seems to fucked up real bad again.. now im getting the "could not open resource for writing" errror again when i try to play a file/sound
[04:02] <hybrid_goth> watch the language plz
[04:02] <slask3n> sorry
[04:02] <dabaR> mine too... its ok
[04:02] <mrd`> luckyaba_: Whether it's worth it depends on what you want to do with it.
[04:02] <slask3n> just really pissed and depressed right now..
[04:02] <codecaine> mrd`, do you work in it?
[04:02] <luckyaba_> slask3n: try killall esd
[04:02] <mrd`> codecaine: Huh?
[04:03] <MIK3MAN> hey peeps
[04:03] <codecaine> mrd`, IT (information tech) lol
[04:03] <codecaine> mrd`, do you work as linux admin or similar for work?
[04:03] <dabaR> slask3n: what program, do you have esd running?
[04:03] <mrd`> codecaine: Oh, no.  I'm a lowly CS student so I have a worthless job maintaining Visual Basic apps. >_>
[04:03] <slask3n> luckyaba_: no proccesses killed
[04:03] <dabaR> yo MIK3MAN
[04:03] <MIK3MAN> I can say that I finally tried afew flavors of linux and I am back to ubuntu
[04:03] <codecaine> mrd`, wow no kidding!
[04:03] <MIK3MAN> dabaR: hey
[04:03] <luckyaba_> slask3n: can you only play 1 sound at a time?
[04:03] <codecaine> mrd`, completely two different worlds
[04:04] <hacked`> desrt, i ordered an orinoco gold which uses the atheros driver, do you think ubuntu will detect it ?
[04:04] <poningru> so no one has a clue?
[04:04] <desrt> hacked`; maybe
[04:04] <dices2> mrd i almost feel sorry for you
[04:04] <desrt> :)
[04:04] <mrd`> codecaine: Yep.
[04:04] <codecaine> mrd`, how old?
[04:04] <desrt> hacked`; i'm using a d-link DWL-G650
[04:04] <mrd`> codecaine: 20.
[04:04] <desrt> hoary has some issues with it out of the box... but the CVS drivers are great
[04:04] <codecaine> mrd`, how much time left for CS degree?
[04:05] <mrd`> codecaine: Um... two years?
[04:05] <dabaR> yes, hacked` /me thinks too.
[04:05] <MIK3MAN> desrt: if you are having network probs I can help, I have the same hardware :O)
[04:05] <desrt> MIK3MAN; nope.  working great here :)
[04:05] <slask3n> luckyaba_ dabaR: no i cant play any sound at all cause i just get "could not open resource for writing" and no apps is running except xchat, console and gaim
[04:05] <desrt> MIK3MAN; 'cept it prevents my powerbook from going to sleep if it's plugged in
[04:05] <dabaR> so what app are you trying ot play sound in, and have you typed in esd in a terrminal followed by enter.
[04:05] <desrt> MIK3MAN; but such is the life of running CVS :)
[04:06] <MIK3MAN> desrt: ok cool, just checkin cause you know we have to configure, yeah I know... heh
[04:06] <dabaR> esd should make a sound.
[04:06] <anto9us> poningru: it sounds like an application specific problem, maybe you could try bittornado's forums
[04:06] <desrt> MIK3MAN; :)
[04:06] <codecaine> mrd`, what you pushing to do for job after cs?
[04:06] <desrt> MIK3MAN; thanks for the offer
[04:06] <MIK3MAN> desrt: np
[04:07] <mrd`> codecaine: Not sure, but anything free software related.
[04:07] <MIK3MAN> poningru: I spent 2 freakin days configuring bittornado... you have a prob?
[04:07] <codecaine> mrd`, good for you
[04:07] <Razor-X> haha
[04:07] <Razor-X> got my Azureus working! ;)
[04:07] <dabaR> Razor-X: you think its funny?
[04:07] <poningru> MIK3MAN: oh any help would be awesome
[04:07] <Muelli> hm.. howto use ALSA on my box?
[04:07] <poningru> the problem is
[04:07] <luckyaba_> slask3n: have you installed alsa and tried that?
[04:07] <Razor-X> MIK3MAN: 3 days?
[04:08] <Razor-X> dabaR: I didn't laugh at anyone, just happy because of Azureus
[04:08] <Muelli> in fact I assume, that i run esd...
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[04:08] <dabaR> Razor-X: dont laugh like that.
[04:08] <hybrid_goth> dabaR: ? o_0
[04:08] <Razor-X> dabaR: fine fine
[04:08] <dabaR> ok
[04:08] <MIK3MAN> poningru: hold on I will help
[04:09] <razerslut> can someone walk me through copying over my live cd xorg.conf to my installed ubuntu partition?
[04:09] <poningru> it cant download more than one torrent at a time
[04:09] <codecaine> mdr, when i change wireless settings, i deactivate and reactivate, when i do this the wireless applet in gnome shows yellow exclamation mark, how to reset it?  its wireless connection.
[04:09] <Razor-X> MIK3MAN: I get nohting on BitTornado
[04:09] <DAC1138> Razor-X, no emotion allowed in here
[04:09] <poningru> Razor-X: yep
[04:09] <dabaR> nothing.
[04:09] <hybrid_goth> DAC1138: heh
[04:09] <Muelli> mrd`: Do you know how to switch from esd to ALSA? OR is this impossible?
[04:09] <poningru> oops I meant razerslut
[04:09] <dabaR> if youre happy, that means a ubuntu angel dies.
[04:09] <DAC1138> codecaine, can you use both wired and wireless network at the same time?
[04:09] <dabaR> ha
[04:09] <dabaR> slask3n: wtf, is it working yet?
[04:10] <razerslut> poningru: walk awya =)
[04:10] <razerslut> away
[04:10] <MIK3MAN> ok first Razor: stupid question, you have compiled and are running btdownloadgui.py right?
[04:10] <mrd`> Muelli: It's not an either-or situation.  esd is just a sound demon that uses alsa/oss.
[04:10] <codecaine> dark, yes
[04:10] <codecaine> DAC1138, yes
[04:10] <poningru> razerslut: can you extract that xorg.conf from the cd?
[04:10] <MrGardenHoseMan> what's the command to remove a full directory
[04:10] <dabaR> Muelli: did you try your System menu?
[04:10] <MrGardenHoseMan> well more like what's the flag for rmdir
[04:10] <dabaR> MrGardenHoseMan: which one?
[04:10] <razerslut> poningru: im not sure, let me try
[04:10] <mrd`> MrGardenHoseMan: 'rm -rf'
[04:10] <codecaine> DAC1138, creates a route for both interfaces
[04:11] <DAC1138> codecaine, okay, different than my problem/solution then
[04:11] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[04:11] <razerslut> poningru: i dont know what directory it would be under on the live cd
[04:11] <razerslut> can you tell me?
[04:11] <poningru> razerslut: let me see
[04:11] <poningru> hmm
[04:11] <coffee> hi
[04:11] <poningru> hold on
[04:11] <dabaR> hi.
[04:11] <mrd`> razerslut: What's wrong?
[04:11] <coffee> I got a pb with gksudo and mount
[04:12] <Muelli> dabaR: I tried System -> Multimedia. But when I try to change to ALSA it complains, that its not able to install a pipe or something...
[04:12] <razerslut> mrd`: im trying to find xorg.conf on my live cd so i can copy it onto my install partition and see if i can get xwindows running again
[04:12] <dabaR> coffee: what problem>?
[04:12] <coffee> when I do: sudo mount -o ro,loop  /home/alucard/download/systemrescuecd-x86-0.2.15.iso /media/iso it works
[04:12] <Razor-X> MIK3MAN: I didn't compile (I don't think so) and no, i'm running btdownloadcurses
[04:12] <Centaur> Why doesn't ubuntu detect the newest upgrade of gaim?
[04:12] <mrd`> razerslut: Is it not in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[04:12] <Muelli> mrd`: Hmm.. how come, that I can't change to ALSA in Gnome System Menu?
[04:12] <dabaR> Muelli: wel, it cant open a pipe, install it, somehow.
[04:12] <coffee> but if I do: gksudo mount -o ro,loop  /home/alucard/download/systemrescuecd-x86-0.2.15.iso /media/iso
[04:12] <coffee> it doesn't
[04:12] <shane_reid> i am brand new to ubuntu and havent used linux in a year or so, I finally got my damn broadcom wlan driver up, i can connect to the AP but i cant go to the real internet (ie. google.com)
[04:12] <shane_reid> can someone help me?
[04:13] <luckyaba_> Centaur: either your repository is old or they haven't updated it yet
[04:13] <razerslut> er
[04:13] <razerslut> yes, it is
[04:13] <razerslut> so how do i mount another partition from this live ubuntu?
[04:13] <MIK3MAN> Razor-X: you need to download and compile then run btdownloadgui.py, after that we can check the status on your connections
[04:14] <coffee> gksudo umount /media/iso    doesn't work but gksudo umount "/media/iso" works
[04:14] <bob2> wtf
[04:14] <bob2> there's no need to "compile" python code
[04:14] <mrd`> Muelli: You should be able to... are you having a problem changing it?
[04:14] <anto9us> shane_reid: has the AP issued you an IP address?
[04:14] <bob2> and bittorrent and bittornado are in ubuntu already
[04:14] <shane_reid> can someone please help with my network??
[04:14] <coffee>  gksudo "mount -o ro,loop  /home/alucard/download/systemrescuecd-x86-0.2.15.iso /media/iso"
[04:14] <coffee> doesn't work either
[04:14] <shane_reid> anto9us: yes, it has, i can go to http://192.168.0.1 and login to the router
[04:14] <Razor-X> I am not here right now because Azuerus is spiking CPU,p lease standb y
[04:14] <Centaur> luckyaba_: What if I reloaded the repository though?
[04:14] <codecaine> mdr, how to reset wireless, when i make change to network applet, it stays with yellow exclamation like theirs a problem when theirs not??
[04:15] <slask3n> dabaR, luckyaba_, mrd` : thanks for all the help, but now im so pissed off and tired (its 4am here) so im goig to get some sleep and try again tomorrow... :)
[04:15] <Muelli> mrd`: Yes. I really have :-( Its a german error message, so i dunno how to translate it correctly *g*
[04:15] <coffee> good night slask3n
[04:15] <luckyaba_> Centaur: that might work... or maybe try another repositry?
[04:15] <dabaR> latah
[04:15] <luckyaba_> slask3n: good luck night
[04:15] <Muelli> Just S
[04:15] <codecaine> turn on COMEDY CENTRAL funny stuff
[04:15] <slask3n> thanks =)
[04:16] <Muelli> Just ESD is working. Neither ALSA nor OSS..
[04:16] <Centaur> luckyaba_: How can I find out what new repositories I can put in?
[04:16] <dabaR> coffee: tried the other way which seems more correct? like  gksudo mount -o ro,loop "/home/alucard/download/systemrescuecd-x86-0.2.15.iso /media/iso"
[04:16] <nuky> how do you uninstall things that you install using make?
[04:16] <codecaine> make uninstall
[04:16] <dabaR> Muelli: thst is what is installed.
[04:17] <Muelli> and cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp doesn't make any noise :-\
[04:17] <codecaine> i guess depends on if the makefile had an uninstall script
[04:17] <nuky> oh.. hehe.. thanks.. installed a lot of crap in the wrong place...
[04:17] <mrd`> Muelli: Hm... but you said xine plays sound fine?
[04:17] <coffee> now it works with  gksudo "mount -o ro,loop  /home/alucard/download/systemrescuecd-x86-0.2.15.iso /media/iso" weird
[04:17] <dabaR> ya it is.
[04:18] <Muelli> yeea
[04:18] <dabaR> why gksudo anyhow
[04:18] <dabaR> for mount...
[04:18] <Muelli> mrd`: yeah.. I'll check again
[04:18] <coffee> I am working on a nautilus script
[04:18] <coffee> that's why
[04:18] <luckyaba_> Centaur: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/f-41.html   ...........check that out
[04:18] <codecaine> coffee, didn't know you could mount an iso as a filesystem
[04:18] <dabaR> aha
[04:18] <nuky> how about an unload file? it looks like an uninstaller.. has a few rm commands when i opened it
[04:19] <codecaine> nuky, that's prolly it
[04:19] <sabin> hey guys I need some help
[04:19] <Centaur> luckyaba_: Thanks
[04:19] <sabin> does ubuntu come with a configured version of wine?
[04:19] <mrd`> sabin: Shoot.
[04:19] <coffee> no sabin
[04:19] <mrd`> sabin: No, but there's wine in universe.
[04:19] <nuky> lucky that time! should be careful in future!
[04:19] <Muelli> yeah mrd. xine's playing fine :-\
[04:20] <mrd`> Muelli: Can you tell what it's using to output sound?
[04:20] <shane_reid> Can someone please help me set up my network
[04:20] <dabaR> no
[04:20] <sabin> could someone point me to a howto on configuring it then?
[04:20] <codefest_> quit
[04:20] <luckyaba_> shane_reid: how so?
[04:20] <mrd`> sabin: Install wine and winesetuptk from universe.
[04:20] <luckyaba_> shane_reid: shares?
[04:20] <shane_reid> luckyaba_: i can connect to my router, i am recieving an IP address from the router, but I cannot use the internet, ie. google.com
[04:21] <codecaine> shane_reid, do you need static set dns
[04:21] <luckyaba_> shane_reid: go into your terminal and ping www.yahoo.com
[04:21] <dabaR> can you ping IP addresses?
[04:21] <coffee> can you ping 216.239.39.99
[04:21] <sabin> I added the wine sourceforge repository and did a smart update so shouldn't I have it now?
[04:21] <coffee> (a google IP)
[04:21] <luckyaba_> lol
[04:21] <mrd`> Muelli: If you can't figure it out any more sophisticatedly, while xine is playing music, run 'lsof | grep xine'.
[04:21] <shane_reid> No, i cannot ping that
[04:22] <shane_reid> it says "network is unreachable"
[04:22] <jeran> Kind of off-topic.. But how does the GIMP compare to Adobe Photoshop?
[04:22] <Muelli> mrd`: I'd really like to, but I really can't find it in the options. Ill try that...
[04:22] <dabaR> like, for an IP?
[04:22] <razerslu1> hello, im trying to copy over xorg.conf from my live cd to my ubuntu install partition, can someone help me?
[04:22] <luckyaba_> shane_reid: try killall dhcpcd
[04:22] <mrd`> Muelli: Actually, try 'lsof | grep "xine.*dev"'
[04:22] <luckyaba_> shane_reid: then dhcpcd eth0
[04:22] <dabaR> luckyaba_: what?
[04:22] <dabaR> kill his dhcp server?
[04:22] <luckyaba_> restart it
[04:22] <dabaR> ok, well, good luck.
[04:23] <dabaR> razerslu1: isnt it in lke, etc?
[04:23] <shane_reid> well, first, i dont have dhcpcd running
[04:23] <dabaR> ya
[04:23] <shane_reid> second, I dont have dhcpcd installed to run
[04:23] <dabaR> anyhow, router? well, have you power cycled?
[04:23] <shane_reid> yes, i have
[04:23] <shane_reid> all other pcs on the network are fine
[04:23] <dabaR> ah
[04:24] <razerslu1> dabar: yes, etc/X11, but how do i copy it over to my install partition? i dont know how?
[04:24] <shane_reid> the one i am talking to you guys on is using the same wireless network
[04:24] <dabaR> and your computer is set up for dhcp?
[04:24] <mrd`> razerslu1: Mount your hard drive somewhere and then copy it over.
[04:24] <shane_reid> i am getting an IP from the router
[04:24] <dabaR> is the whatever key being transmitted, and wep turned off?
[04:24] <shane_reid> and the router reflects that when i look at its dhcp list
[04:24] <shane_reid> dabaR: how would i know that?
[04:24] <dabaR> razerslu1: can you copy it to your disk at all?
[04:24] <Muelli> lol mrd`  *g* I just got three /dev/null :-\ But as I can see, there a couple of plugins loaded. Like ESD, ALSA, ARTS, ...
[04:25] <dabaR> shane_reid: um, wireless setup wiki.
[04:25] <shane_reid> will read
[04:25] <razerslu1> mrd`: how do i mount my harddrive?
[04:25] <dabaR> razerslu1: are you running the live cd now, or not?
[04:25] <sabin> mrd: what do I need to do after I install the winesetuptk?
[04:25] <mrd`> razerslu1: First, check if it's already mounted: run 'mount'
[04:25] <codecaine> razerslu1, mount /dev/hda* /mnt/disk
[04:25] <mrd`> sabin: Run 'winesetuptk'.
[04:26] <razerslu1> its not mounted
[04:26] <mrd`> razerslu1: 'mkdir /media/hda1; mount /dev/hda1 /media/hda1'
[04:26] <dabaR> razerslu1: are you on the live CD, or in your Ubuntu install?
[04:26] <mrd`> dabaR: He's on the live CD.
[04:26] <dabaR> and he is in like X?
[04:26] <razerslu1> yes i am
[04:27] <dabaR> why not just run the dpkg-reconfigure, do you have some kind of graphics card or something?
[04:27] <razerslu1> no, integrated graphics, but reconfigure hasnt worked for me
[04:27] <razerslu1> neither has a couple other things
[04:27] <razerslu1> someone suggested this so i am doing it
[04:27] <razerslu1> =)
[04:27] <razerslu1> it seems like a roundabout way, cheating even
[04:27] <dabaR> why do you want the file, anyhow, is it xorg even?so running live cd, well, just copy the file on a disk?
[04:28] <razerslu1> i dont know how to copy the file to disk though
[04:28] <razerslu1> im very new
[04:28] <razerslu1> i prefer to learn with people than through the docs
[04:28] <dabaR> well copy it to a floppy disk
[04:28] <razerslu1> =D
[04:28] <mrd`> razerslu1: 'cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /mnt/hda1/etc/X11/xorg.conf' should work.
[04:28] <dabaR> or a USB key
[04:28] <razerslu1> i dont have a floppy drive, its an emachine
[04:28] <mrd`> razerslu1: Assuming you already mounted the hard drive.
[04:28] <dabaR> what does it have?
[04:28] <shane_reid> dabaR: i am using kubuntu, and using kwifimanager, it shows I am connected, have a signal, an ip address and exnryption is off (which it should be)
[04:28] <dabaR> sned it to a server
[04:28] <razerslu1> mrd`: thank you, learning already
[04:28] <dabaR> want a user?
[04:28] <andares> Hi.
[04:28] <dabaR> yo
[04:29] <redtech> isnt there a smbmount command or something similiar?
[04:29] <andares> Where does GCC keep its list of header directories?
[04:29] <razerslu1> dabar: you'll have to explain though
[04:29] <razerslu1> dabar: io've never done that
[04:29] <dabaR> open a terminal
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[04:29] <orangerange> en, which is a java chat program. I can read whateevr the customer service agent is writing, but I cannot input text in the text box. Can anyone please help me? If you don't have an account, you can get one for free on the abovementioned link. Thank you in advance.
[04:30] <razerslu1> dabar: alright
[04:30] <dabaR> ok
[04:31] <dabaR> ftp there, and then open another terminal
[04:31] <dabaR> I cant see your private msgs
[04:31] <mrd`> dabaR: Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be.
[04:31] <dogmeat> greets, are folks migrating here from debian?
[04:31] <dabaR> mrd`: go ahead.
[04:32] <redtech> could someone assist me in the proper way to mount a windows share?
[04:32] <sabin> I feel so stupid what is the command to run a program again?
[04:33] <mrd`> sabin: ... um... 'programname'?
[04:33] <travisbickkle> how come it says the firefox versions are broken but i just installed 1.0.6
[04:33] <Muelli> Hmm.. In fact catting /dev/urandom to /dev/dsp should work, shouldn't it??
[04:34] <mrd`> Muelli: Yeah, it works for me.
[04:34] <Muelli> hmm...
[04:34] <Muelli> strange...
[04:34] <Muelli> Well.. Totem plays too :-\ But I can't figure out on which divice it sends :-\
[04:35] <Muelli> s/sends/plays
[04:36] <kd5pbo> what is the default root password?  I set a new one in single user mode, but I cant' access any of the system apps in gnome
[04:36] <Muelli> fuser /dev/dsp tells me, that esd is using that device...
[04:36] <codecaine> g'nite all
[04:36] <mrd`> !tell kd5pbo about sudo
[04:38] <dices2> firefox 1.06 is to fix the broken 1.05
[04:39] <kd5pbo> thanks, but sudo wanted a password.  I've set a root password, is there a way to use the system apps (e.g. user manager) from a regular user?
[04:39] <Nard> ok what program do i need to use to write an iso with
[04:39] <jeran> How do I properly set up an alias?
[04:39] <Muelli> Hmm... I am thinking of installing windows to get that #$!/$ sound workin' !
[04:39] <dices2> sudo passwd root
[04:39] <dices2> =P
[04:40] <mrd`> Nard: Burn an iso to disc or create one?
[04:40] <Nard> burn it to the disk mrd`
[04:40] <mrd`> kd5pbo: The password sudo asks for is yours.
[04:40] <kd5pbo> o.
[04:40] <kd5pbo> i c.
[04:40] <Muelli> =)
[04:40] <mrd`> Nard: Nautilus can burn isos.  Right click the iso file.
[04:40] <Muelli> I wondered about the root thing, too *g*
[04:41] <travisbickkle> whats nautilus again
[04:41] <dbernar1> the file mangler
[04:41] <kd5pbo> lack of security
[04:41] <travisbickkle> oh ok
[04:41] <redtech> AH HA/.  got it
[04:41] <razerslut> well copying my xorg.xonf file over worked
[04:42] <mrd`> razerslut: That's good.
[04:42] <razerslut> now can someone help me change my screen resolution when gnome wont let me go past 640x480?
[04:42] <razerslut> mrd`: yes im happy, thank you very much
[04:42] <Nard> ok mrd' i went into i right clicked it but there is no option to burn it with
[04:42] <mrd`> Nard: Oh, really?
[04:42] <Nard> yes really
[04:43] <nuky> how do i remove a kernel module? there's no /kernel/... hmmm... i'm sure that's where i put it...
[04:43] <travisbickkle> how do i get to my other ntfs partitions so i can open my files from within linux?
[04:43] <mrd`> Nard: Do you have nautilus-cd-burner installed?
[04:43] <Muelli> hmm... I'll go sleeping.. gn8 guys...
[04:43] <razerslut> the reason i started altering my xorg.conf file in the first place was to get gnome to support a higher viodeo mode. my monitor supports 1280x1024 @ 60 hz
[04:43] <mrd`> nuky: 'rmmod module_name'
[04:43] <Nard> i have no clue mrd'
[04:43] <razerslut> but i dont know how to make it go
[04:43] <nalioths_dog> travisbickkle: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[04:44] <mrd`> Nard: Can you open synaptic or a terminal?
[04:44] <Nard> yeah
[04:44] <nuky> ah... so is there a /kernel/? i'm sure during the install i moved stuff there...
[04:44] <mrd`> (A terminal would be quicker.)
[04:44] <travisbickkle> ok
[04:44] <Nard> got it
[04:44] <Nard> now what
[04:44] <mrd`> Nard: Did you open Synaptic or a terminal?
[04:44] <Nard> terminal
[04:44] <Nard> better
[04:44] <Marble2> what's the command to convert an rpm to a deb?
[04:44] <razerslut> for some rason alt ctrl +/- doesnt work either inside x
[04:44] <razerslut> reason
[04:44] <mrd`> Nard: run 'dpkg -l nautilus-cd-burner'
[04:45] <mrd`> Marble2: alien?
[04:45] <dbernar1> Marble2: is there no deb?
[04:45] <Marble2> just alien file.rpm
[04:45] <Marble2> dbernar1: correct
[04:45] <benplaut> Marble2: alien -i package.rpm
[04:45] <Marble2> k
[04:45] <Marble2> ty
[04:45] <nuky> it says that the module doesn't exist but it's causing me to halt when i boot up and i have to use ctrl+c
[04:45] <travisbickkle> nalioths_dog what do i download? or do i just do what this website says
[04:46] <mrd`> Marble2: 'alien -i package.rpm' will install it. -d will convert it to .deb
[04:46] <Nard> mrd` Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[04:46] <Nard> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[04:46] <Nard> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[04:46] <Nard> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[04:46] <Nard> +++-[04:46] <Nard> ii  nautilus-cd-bu 2.10.0-0ubuntu CD Burning front-end for Nautilus
[04:46] <Nard> oh that was long
[04:46] <Nard> sorry
[04:46] <travisbickkle> it just looks like a text file
[04:46] <nalioth> travisbickkle: you "save page as" and follow the directions in the file
[04:46] <travisbickkle> save it as a text file?
[04:46] <nalioth> travisbickkle: yes, and read it
[04:46] <travisbickkle> oh ok
[04:46] <glick> excuse me how do i clear the history list in totem?
[04:48] <dices2> *cough p0rn*
[04:48] <concept10> glick, is it difficult to get hose porn links out of there?
[04:48] <radiodog> dices2: good call
[04:48] <glick> concept10, yes
[04:48] <concept10> heh
[04:49] <mrd`> glick: I think going to Places->Recent Documents->Clear Recent Documents should do.
[04:49] <mrd`> But, maybe not.
[04:49] <radiodog> glick: you could always just lock your screen
[04:49] <glick> nah i cant radiodog
[04:50] <travisbickkle> nalioth it didnt work it said no such file or directory
[04:50] <glick> yup that did it thanks radiodog
[04:50] <travisbickkle> was i supposed to save the page in a certain play
[04:50] <glick> does mplayer keep a history?
[04:50] <travisbickkle> place*
[04:50] <concept10> glick, i dont see a way to do it
[04:50] <nalioth> travisbickkle: did you save it to your home directory?
[04:50] <radiodog> should probably nuke .bash_history
[04:50] <travisbickkle> the desktop
[04:51] <nalioth> travisbickkle: in the terminal, did you cd to Desktop?
[04:51] <glick> good idea radiodog
[04:51] <travisbickkle> cd to desktop whats that mean
[04:51] <radiodog> cd = change directory
[04:51] <travisbickkle> i just did what it said : sudo bash winmac_fstab
[04:52] <nalioth> travisbickkle: go to applications > system tools > terminal  (not root terminal)
[04:52] <Super_BQ> hi
[04:52] <travisbickkle> than this came up: bash: winmac_fstab: No such file or directory
[04:52] <nalioth> travisbickkle: and open a terminal
[04:52] <Super_BQ> i'm new to Unix so have a stupid question
[04:52] <travisbickkle> thats what i did
[04:52] <travisbickkle> ok
[04:52] <Super_BQ> do the files in unix (Ubuntu) have to be defragged like in windoze?
[04:52] <NeoGeo64> exr3 doesnt fragment
[04:53] <NeoGeo64> i dont know why but it doesnt
[04:53] <travisbickkle> so in the terminal i need to cd to desktop?
[04:53] <NeoGeo64> ext3*
[04:53] <nalioth> travisbickkle: you need to enter "cd Desktop" enter
[04:53] <travisbickkle> oh ok
[04:53] <pudland> question..... in terminal, SU password not accepted
[04:53] <nalioth> travisbickkle: and try the command again
[04:53] <nalioths_dog> pudland: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:53] <keikoz> do somebody having a Asus P5 mobo can run the lm_sensors ?
[04:53] <travisbickkle> oh ok
[04:53] <pudland> oh ok
[04:53] <travisbickkle> damn and its case sensitive
[04:54] <Super_BQ> NeoFax: fstab tells me i'm using ext3 - no degra required?
[04:54] <radiodog> travisbickkle: dude, everything is case sensitive!
[04:54] <BounceBounce> Super_BQ, that's right
[04:55] <ubuntu> hey, I got this problem
[04:55] <Super_BQ> wow.. that's amazing to have an OS that doesn't worry about defragmentation
[04:55] <ubuntu> I had this extra partition I deleted... it had nothing on it but a lost+found dir
[04:55] <travisbickkle> lol its taking me like 3times as long to do 1 thing that takes me 2 secs in windows thats how newbie i am
[04:56] <ubuntu> it broke thing... when I try to boot, it says problem starting operation system
[04:56] <ubuntu> any way to fix that?
[04:56] <travisbickkle> nalioth how come the ntfs drives got mounted as read-only?
[04:57] <nalioth> travisbickkle: because writing to NTFS from linux can crash the data on a NTFS partition
[04:57] <pudland> nalioths_dog thanks, thats diff for me
[04:57] <CarlFK> unless you use the MS drivers via Captive
[04:58] <imaek> Is there a somewhat easy way to write a .sh script that will connect to my FTP server, and upload a text file with my IP address in it?
[04:58] <travisbickkle> so its better to reformat one as fat32 if i want more space for linux?
[04:58] <nalioth> travisbickkle: yes
[04:58] <CarlFK> imaek - do you just want to know what your IP is?
[04:58] <imaek> no
[04:58] <imaek> well
[04:58] <imaek> from a remote computer
[04:58] <CarlFK> yeah
[04:58] <nalioth> travisbickkle: if you want to share files tween linux and windows, fat32 is best
[04:59] <imaek> Is there an easy way to do that?
[04:59] <nalioth> travisbickkle: if you dont want to share, ext3 is best
[04:59] <pudland> exit
[04:59] <CarlFK> imaek - yes.  get an account with dyndns.com or something
[04:59] <pudland> doooohp
[04:59] <CarlFK> and
[04:59] <travisbickkle> can u have like a 100gb partition as fat32?
[04:59] <ubuntu> well? Anyway to fix my problem? Why would deleting a partition with just lost+found on it break things?
[04:59] <nalioth> travisbickkle: sure
[04:59] <imaek> okay, CarlFK.
[04:59] <travisbickkle> oh i havent used fat32 since windows 98
[04:59] <ubuntu> traveller, make it fat16
[05:00] <Super_BQ> you guys using Samba for network file sharing?
[05:00] <CarlFK> imaek - you can either update it when  dhcp gets a new IP, or...
[05:00] <ubuntu> travisbickkle, I mean
[05:00] <nalioth> ubuntu: fat16 on a 100gb HD?
[05:00] <Super_BQ> why not keep it in native unix format?
[05:00] <CarlFK> imaek - ther is a thing that will monitor what the IP is and update DNS when it sees a change - the 2nd one will deal with errors
[05:01] <nalioth> Super_BQ: probably for sharing reasons
[05:01] <Super_BQ> I actually have a problem with firestarter (firewall) and my Samba
[05:01] <CarlFK> Super_BQ - so dump firestarter ;)
[05:01] <robotgeek> ahuman01, the beauty of choice!
[05:02] <Super_BQ> even though I try to tell it to allow SMB port 137-139 & 445... my windoze machine can't see it
[05:02] <robotgeek> ahuman01, sorry..tab completion error
[05:02] <CarlFK> Super_BQ - so dump firestarter - really.
[05:02] <ubuntu> well? Anyway to fix my problem? Why would deleting a partition with just lost+found on it break things?
[05:02] <Super_BQ> CarlFK: it looks like a nice program.. everything else works (SSH, FTP, etc.)
[05:02] <CarlFK> Super_BQ - what problem does firestarter solve?
[05:02] <imaek> CarlFK - When it asks me for "what interface I'm using", what should I put?
[05:03] <CarlFK> imaek - um... what is asking?
[05:03] <Super_BQ> CarlFK: i'm not competent to use iptables to build a decent firewall
[05:03] <imaek> Oh
[05:03] <imaek> wtf
[05:03] <damneinstien> i have a question. I have a centrino laptop and i hate the setting which runs cpu at max speed when plugged in. is there any way to change that?
[05:03] <imaek> I am stupid.
[05:03] <imaek> It's eth0
[05:03] <bob2> damneinstien: of course
[05:03] <kangtQc> hi there i'm looking for an IDE for tex/latex with gnome ? any idea please ?
[05:03] <damneinstien> bob2: how?
[05:03] <Super_BQ> CarlFK: what are you using for firewall/routing?
[05:03] <CarlFK> Super_BQ - so dont.  again - what problem are you trying to solve?
[05:03] <travisbickkle> does totem play .vob files?
[05:03] <bob2> kangtQc: most people just use their normal text editor (ie vim or emacs)
[05:04] <bob2> travisbickkle: mplayer can
[05:04] <nalioth> Super_BQ: some reading for you http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[05:04] <imaek> Can someone ( CarlFK ) try this for me? http://imaek.ath.cx/
[05:04] <robert_pectol> Super_BQ:   My new Ubuntu firewall script works with Samba...  wanna try it out?  I'm looking for folks to test it out and give me feedback.
[05:04] <robotgeek> kangtQc, kile will run on gnome, though it's a kde app
[05:04] <kangtQc> yes bob2 but just waana know if something more frindly exists
[05:04] <ubuntu> anyway, any ideas on how to fix this!? My root filesystem and /boot is intact, but since deleteing the partitition with lost+found on it, it no longer boots
[05:04] <bob2> damneinstien: /etc/default/powernowd
[05:04] <CarlFK> Super_BQ - for routing I use shorewall - the problme it solves is getting my other boxes on the net.  - is that what your samba box is doing?
[05:05] <damneinstien> bob2: what setting in particular?
[05:05] <Super_BQ> my ubuntu box holds all my ftp files
[05:05] <Super_BQ> I use samba for the LAN
[05:05] <CarlFK> imaek - look for a package called ddclient (thats the 2nd way)
[05:05] <robotgeek> kangtQc, have u tried lyx? it's pretty good too. though, style sheets can be a pain sometime, which defeats the purpose!
[05:05] <ubuntu> ugh, I SEE!!
[05:05] <ubuntu> I CAN SEEE!!!
[05:05] <Super_BQ> when i'm away. i want to be able to connect to my ubuntu box via ssh/ftp
[05:05] <razerslut> what section do the horizontal and vertical refresh rates go under in my xorg.conf file? can someone tell me
[05:05] <razerslut> ?
[05:05] <ubuntu> since deleting /dev/hdc3, /dev/hdc4 became /dev/hdc3
[05:05] <CarlFK> Super_BQ - what whould you loose if you didn't use the firewall?
[05:05] <kangtQc> robotgeek, i'm gonna test both
[05:05] <ubuntu> NOW I KNOW THANKS TO YOU ALL!!
[05:05] <travisbickkle> bob2 how do i install mplayer?
[05:05] <kangtQc> thx for info :)
[05:06] <travisbickkle> looks hard
[05:06] <bob2> travisbickkle: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:06] <bob2> damneinstien: powernowd doesn't appear to be able to do what you claim
[05:06] <CarlFK> imaek - no good.
[05:06] <bob2> damneinstien: perhaps you install cpufreqd by accident
[05:06] <Super_BQ> CarlFK: well i don't know how to configure ipforwarding for the LAN windoze boxes (so http doesn't route)
[05:06] <ubuntu> can I use UFS?
[05:06] <Super_BQ> CarlFK: anotherwords, firestarter would automatically route for me but kills my SMB LAN connection
[05:06] <bob2> ubuntu: you can read from them
[05:07] <damneinstien> i believe i have cpufreqd
[05:07] <bob2> damneinstien: then configure it, or install powernowd
[05:07] <kangtQc> btw i have to write courses any idea idea of wich latex class is better to do that ?
[05:07] <CarlFK> Super_BQ - got it.  so it is a gateway box, and you do need something to make it a gateway.
[05:07] <ubuntu> bah, I think I will just install Solaris 10 on my laptop
[05:07] <bob2> powernowd is the default, and it was originally installed on your machine
[05:07] <bob2> ubuntu: that won't be much fun
[05:07] <Razor-X> kangtQc: you have to write courses?
[05:07] <Super_BQ> CarlFK: yes
[05:08] <CarlFK> Super_BQ - I see lots of people wanting to run a firewall on a desktop box and all it does it cause problems
[05:08] <radiodog> does gnome do transparency all by it self?
[05:08] <radiodog> i know gnome-terminal can...
[05:08] <bob2> radiodog: no
[05:08] <kangtQc> Razor-X, i m not really sure of my english here, you know i have to teach people things
[05:08] <kangtQc> :)
[05:08] <bob2> gnome-terminal doesn't do transparency
[05:08] <Super_BQ> CarlFK: no it's only a PII-266Mhz box so no point running as a desktop also
[05:08] <razerslut> what section do the horizontal and vertical refresh rates go under in my xorg.conf file? can someone tell me
[05:08] <bob2> it just displays portions of the background image as it's background
[05:08] <robotgeek> radiodog, aterm/eterm
[05:09] <robotgeek> pseudo transperency
[05:09] <Super_BQ> CarlFK: is shore? a gui like firestarter in Gnome?
[05:09] <bob2> Super_BQ: no
[05:09] <Razor-X> kangtQc: ohh heh
[05:09] <imaek> What port is SSH on?
[05:09] <radiodog> 22
[05:09] <Razor-X> I just use simple ``article'' mode for that
[05:09] <bob2> imaek: /etc/services
[05:09] <Razor-X> I do math lecture notes for friends
[05:09] <ubuntu> where is grub.conf?
[05:09] <radiodog> /boot/grub
[05:09] <ubuntu> I think I need to fix that
[05:09] <bob2> ubuntu: nowhere
[05:09] <kangtQc> ok Razor-X gonna try with this
[05:10] <bob2> radiodog: /bin/grub/menu.lst is wha you mean
[05:10] <CarlFK> Super_BQ - no - lots of config files.  I got it to work, but it was kinda a pain
[05:10] <ubuntu> how can i fix grub?
[05:10] <bob2> (grub.conf is a redhat-ism)
[05:10] <radiodog> bob2: fair enough
[05:10] <ubuntu> / is not located on /dev/hdc4 anymore
[05:10] <h08817> how can i do a dual boot with grub
[05:10] <h08817> i am working with winxp pro right now
[05:10] <Super_BQ> CarlFK: k. brb phone
[05:10] <radiodog> h08817: yup
[05:10] <bob2> h08817: it sets it up by default
[05:10] <Razor-X> h08817: Ubuntu takes care of it
[05:11] <Razor-X> but, reading the docs doesen't hurt
[05:11] <h08817> do i have to give it any commands or anything to choose what partition to boot to?
[05:11] <Razor-X> (I committed a fair bit to memeory, meself, the rest I refer to if I need to)
[05:11] <ubuntu> I need to fix it
[05:11] <ubuntu> make it choose /dev/hdc3
[05:11] <Razor-X> h08817: most likely, no
[05:11] <andares> Hi..
[05:11] <ubuntu> not /dev/hdc4
[05:11] <Razor-X> s/memeory/memory/
[05:11] <travisbickkle> does synaptic show the latest versions of these packages?
[05:11] <Razor-X> ubuntu: open up /boot/grub/menu.list as root
[05:11] <h08817> ok thanks i'll give ubuntu a try right now
[05:12] <radiodog> guys, for ubuntu (the user), can he run base-config to re-install grub?
[05:12] <h08817> anything i should know before installing?
[05:12] <Razor-X> lock for that entry, and then replace away
[05:12] <Razor-X> radiodog: the basic user can't, root can
[05:12] <bob2> travisbickkle: it shows the ubuntu versions of the packages, yes
[05:12] <Razor-X> h08817: depends on what you want to know
[05:12] <bob2> radiodog: no, just use grub-install
[05:12] <radiodog> Razor-X: i meant user, as in irc user
[05:12] <ubuntu> what do I need to run after modifying menu.1st?
[05:13] <Razor-X> I needed to do a nothing-can-go-wrong in about 1 hour
[05:13] <kangtQc> killall gnome-panel
[05:13] <Razor-X> so I made sure to know what I was tinkering with and what can go wrong, so I can fix everything before the 1 hour passes
[05:13] <Razor-X> ubuntu: not 1st
[05:13] <travisbickkle> oh is it better to run the ubuntu version? instead of the regular linux version?
[05:13] <Razor-X> lst
[05:13] <andares> killall your_base
[05:13] <h08817> Razor-X: well i am a noob so i don't know what to ask
[05:13] <bob2> travisbickkle: it's far easier to use the ubuntu packages, yes
[05:13] <Razor-X> you should change your console fonts, so that you can tell the difference
[05:13] <ubuntu> what do I need to run after modifying menu.1st?
[05:13] <ubuntu> oh
[05:14] <Razor-X> h08817: maybe you should get a feel for the GRUB docs before starting Ubuntu
[05:14] <Razor-X> of course, a thorough Linux learning would incorporate learning the command-line, but not many users nowadays like doing that ;)
[05:14] <travisbickkle> but its 1.0.2 for the ubuntu thunderbird when the latest is 1.0.5
[05:14] <radiodog> rtfm!!!1!one!one! *grin*
[05:14] <Razor-X> radiodog: hah, too true
[05:14] <ubuntu> do I just edit and reboot?
[05:14] <h08817> well i think i'll just give it a run and hopefully it will all work fine
[05:14] <ubuntu> or do I need to run something?
[05:14] <bob2> travisbickkle: yup
[05:14] <Razor-X> ubuntu: run grub-install
[05:14] <ubuntu> like I do in lilo
[05:15] <bob2> travisbickkle: why do you want 1.0.5?
[05:15] <Razor-X> at least, I do, just in case
[05:15] <h08817> and ndiswrapper should alow me to use my netgear usb for internet right?
[05:15] <travisbickkle> i dunno i just wanted the same version i am already running on windows
[05:15] <bob2> h08817: is it a ma-111?
[05:15] <ubuntu> df: `/proc/bus/usb': No such file or directory
[05:15] <ubuntu> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[05:15] <Razor-X> h08817: yeah, i'ld think so
[05:15] <h08817> bob2: no WG111
[05:16] <bob2> travisbickkle: 1.0.5 allegedly only has security fixes, which are already in ubuntu's 1.0.2
[05:16] <ubuntu> I hadto mount and chroot from a boot disc btw
[05:16] <ubuntu> how to I transfer proc over?
[05:16] <travisbickkle> oh they are up to 1.06 now
[05:17] <radiodog> before you chroot, mount proc on the environemnt you're about to chroot into (if that makes sense)
[05:17] <travisbickkle> as long as it has the rss extension i dont care
[05:17] <razerslut> what is nautilus?
[05:17] <ubuntu> sounds familiar, I foget how... mount /proc /mnt/foo/proc?
[05:17] <Razor-X> razerslut: it's a file manager
[05:17] <razerslut> for some reason it wont load at startup, what should i do?
[05:18] <j_fletcher> razerslut: maybe google knows :), its the file manager that ubuntu use
[05:18] <razerslut> i just edited my xorg.conf to include horizontal and vertical refresh rates and now xwindows is acting buggy
[05:18] <j_fletcher> razerslut: go into safe mode
[05:18] <Burrito> hi
[05:18] <ubuntu> nautlus is a tool of the devil, don't use it
[05:18] <razerslut> nautilus didnt load at startup which it normally does and many menu items wont load
[05:18] <h08817> ok thanks all i'll try ubuntu and tell u what i think and be back for a lot!!! of help
[05:18] <ubuntu> it installs spyware
[05:18] <razerslut> they say unsupported axction
[05:18] <Razor-X> ubuntu: hah ;)
[05:18] <fortysixand2> spyware?
[05:18] <Razor-X> don't dissuade people with info that isn't true
[05:18] <Burrito> does anybody know what can i do about flashplayer in firefox?
[05:18] <razerslut> how do i go into safe mode?
[05:18] <Burrito> it doesnt work
[05:18] <Razor-X> I don't think there _is_ spyware for Linux
[05:18] <Burrito> it doesnt works
[05:18] <fortysixand2> ummm, I doubt it
[05:18] <ubuntu> nautlus is an evil tool used by the underpants gnomes to steal your undies
[05:19] <j_fletcher> grub should ask you razerslut
[05:19] <ubuntu> DON'T RUN IT!
[05:19] <razerslut> you mean like recovery mode? alright.
[05:19] <razerslut> thank you
[05:19] <ajax_> ubuntu, I have used nautilus since about .8, what's your problem?
[05:19] <Razor-X> ubuntu: everyone has opinions
[05:19] <j_fletcher> ajax_: it steals his pants appanretly...
[05:19] <Razor-X> trust me, you're no the only one
[05:19] <ubuntu> ajax_, it steals yer undies
[05:19] <Razor-X> we just don't get heated all the time about our opinions (note ``all the time'')
[05:19] <ajax_> nah
[05:20] <radiodog> ubuntu: mount -t proc proc /proc
[05:21] <Razor-X> In this equation, h and k are the horizontal shift and the vertical shift respectively.
[05:21] <Razor-X> errrr! that was meant for notes-compendium.tex
[05:21] <Razor-X> sorry
[05:21] <ubuntu> radiodog, yeah, did it like seconds before you spoke :)
[05:22] <andares> Hahahahaha[loop inf] 
[05:22] <digitalfox> what's the module for the Joliet extensions?
[05:22] <ubuntu> did'nt I need to do some "env" thing before I chroot?
[05:22] <Razor-X> chroot sound like some drug
[05:22] <jblu> Hi, I bought a laserjet 1022 today, has anyone got this working on Hoary ppc?
[05:22] <Razor-X> I dunno why, it's like ``Let's take some chroot''
[05:22] <ubuntu> ajax_: so you (as with thousands of developers) are using xmlHttpRequest stuff?
[05:22] <ubuntu> the latest fad :(
[05:23] <Jet2k5> is there a seperate ubuntu amd64 channel?
[05:23] <radiodog> Jet2k5: i've asked that, they said "you're here"
[05:23] <Razor-X> radiodog: exactly
[05:23] <setite> hey people
[05:23] <ubuntu> I wrote an html based RSS Reader that uses pure javascript.. .only a simple php script to act as a go between to fetch feeds from external servers
[05:23] <setite> im back on ubuntu
[05:23] <Razor-X> now, you can pretend that us 32 bit users don't exist, and it'll become a 64 bit channel ;)
[05:23] <ubuntu> uses the dom :P
[05:23] <Razor-X> then pretend we're back
[05:24] <setite> gave it up for a while but i decided to try it again
[05:24] <Razor-X> even simpler than multi-tasking your irc client!
[05:24] <setite> yay 64-bit channel!!!
[05:24] <radiodog> ubuntu: pure javascript, you sound so proud. i'd be so ashamed.
[05:24] <setite> and good news... my resolution works ont he new ubuntu
[05:24] <setite> woooo!!
[05:24] <setite> now i gotta recall how to use ubuntu again
[05:24] <ubuntu> radio: I like to push the limit... not on public sites though
[05:24] <jblu> exit
[05:24] <ubuntu> I'd never use pure javascript on a site for public consumption
[05:25] <radiodog> ubuntu: grin. only on one release of one browser when the moon's out...
[05:25] <ubuntu> just to enhance the UI, but the site would be usable without it
[05:25] <radiodog> jblu: you need a /
[05:25] <ubuntu> radiodog, I spent 7 hours today fixing layout problems with IE5/mac :(
[05:25] <robotgeek> radiodog, too late
[05:25] <ubuntu> damn thing has more holes than swiss cheese
[05:25] <Jet2k5> who do I contact if I want to be a mod in the forums?
[05:25] <robotgeek> ubuntu, i pity you!
[05:25] <Razor-X> ubuntu: well, then what about IE6 in XP?
[05:25] <ubuntu> anyway, trying to run grub-install, got a problem :(
[05:26] <Razor-X> it just broke in the XP on this box
[05:26] <Razor-X> dunno why, don't care, frankly
[05:26] <ubuntu> Razor-X, oh, IE6 isn't difficult
[05:26] <robotgeek> IE5 on a mac is the crappiest browser around
[05:26] <ubuntu> it's IE5 on mac that gets me :(
[05:26] <ubuntu> and the client uses it
[05:26] <Jet2k5> IE sucks either way
[05:26] <Razor-X> only thing is, it gave me a bit of a headache installing MiKTeX
[05:26] <Jet2k5> no matter what platform :)
[05:26] <ubuntu> I gave up.. I just hide the stylesheet from IE5/mac
[05:26] <ubuntu> at least the content is accessible then
[05:26] <ubuntu> plain, but usable
[05:26] <robotgeek> Razor-X, on windowz boxen?
[05:27] <Razor-X> robotgeek: yeah
[05:27] <ubuntu> anyway: here's my problem
[05:27] <ubuntu> root@ubuntu:/ # grub-install /dev/hdc1
[05:27] <ubuntu> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[05:27] <Razor-X> by the way, is boxen an English word? ;)
[05:27] <z|bandito> if you build something using ./config , make , make install  where does it get put?
[05:27] <ubuntu> /dev/hdc1 IS /boot
[05:27] <robotgeek> Razor-X, it installed withough a hitch!
[05:27] <radiodog> it is now (boxen, i mean)
[05:27] <ubuntu> what gives?
[05:27] <Jet2k5> Razor-X:
[05:27] <Jet2k5> no
[05:27] <Jet2k5> but I understand it :P
[05:27] <razerslut> hi can someone help me get x into 1280x1024 @ 60 hz
[05:27] <ubuntu> sorry, it's just that I dont use grub
[05:27] <razerslut> which my monitor supports?
[05:27] <Razor-X> too volatile for my tastes
[05:27] <Jet2k5> boxen = mulitple boxes ( as refering to a computer )
[05:28] <radiodog> ubuntu: okay, so if /boot is mounted, then /boot/stuff is actually (hdc1)/stuff
[05:28] <Razor-X> then why isn't the plural of fox, foxen?
[05:28] <ubuntu> yeah
[05:28] <Jet2k5> razerslut: open up /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:28] <ubuntu> radiodog,
[05:28] <Razor-X> ;)
[05:28] <Razor-X> gotta love this inconsistency
[05:28] <radiodog> Jet2k5++
[05:28] <ubuntu> radiodog, so how come it doesnt work?
[05:28] <razerslut> jet2k5: k i did that and added in my refresh rates and supported modes, but they dont show up under preferences
[05:28] <Jet2k5> razerslut: change the values of your current resolution to "1280x1024"
[05:28] <Razor-X> razerslut: were you root when you did it?
[05:28] <travisbickkle> how do i install java?
[05:28] <setite> which repository has the mp3 version of the media player
[05:28] <Razor-X> !java
[05:28] <ubotu> well, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[05:29] <Jet2k5> razerslut: what are you using to change the resolution?
[05:29] <radiodog> system -> prefs -> screen res, isnt it?
[05:29] <razerslut> razor: i used sudo, so yeah
[05:29] <Razor-X> razerslut: cool
[05:29] <razerslut> jet25k: im trying to use preferences under gnome
[05:29] <razerslut> should ui use something else? i assumed that since i edited it into xorg.conf it would be there under preferences
[05:29] <Jet2k5> razerslut: did you restart X?
[05:29] <razerslut> a couple times.
[05:29] <razerslut> should i retsart the computer as well?
[05:29] <Razor-X> nopes
[05:30] <razerslut> i logged out anyway, that would do it right?
[05:30] <Jet2k5> razerslut: post your xorg.conf somewhere and let me look at it
[05:30] <Razor-X> in Linux, the concept of computer restarting is very rare
[05:30] <Razor-X> it's a Windows thing only
[05:30] <Jet2k5> razerslut: no, the n00b way is just to reboot
[05:30] <razerslut> i dont have any webspace, unfortunately. i can dcc it to you =)
[05:30] <fortysixand2> pastebin?
[05:30] <radiodog> razerslut: have you tried System -> Prefs -> Screen Res.
[05:30] <Razor-X> razerslut: pastebin
[05:30] <ubuntu> so why won't this work if it IS /boot? grub-install /dev/hdc1
[05:30] <Jet2k5> razerslut: I don't want to give out instruction to do init 3 and all might get you comfused
[05:30] <travisbickkle> can i just download java or do i have to get a java ready package or sumthin?
[05:30] <razerslut> radiodog: that is what i am using, 1280x1024 just isnt showing up
[05:30] <Razor-X> Jet2k5: ;)
[05:30] <razerslut> im at 1024x768 which i dont want =)
[05:30] <radiodog> razerslut: set up ssh, give me root, and i'll do it.
[05:30] <Razor-X> razerslut: how sad... that's the res i'm using
[05:31] <razerslut> razor-x: alright
[05:31] <Jet2k5> Razor-X: there is soo many I can't keep track :P
[05:31] <Razor-X> soon, people will demand 3495234234x234234234
[05:31] <biscuit_> Sigh.....
[05:31] <Jet2k5> bah I'm using 1024x768
[05:31] <nalioth> !java
[05:31] <ubotu> methinks java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[05:31] <ubuntu> Razor-X, I have a client that uses imacs at 640x480
[05:31] <Jet2k5> went from 1280x1024
[05:31] <Jet2k5> sucks bad
[05:31] <biscuit_> Im using whatever it's set at.... it's ok
[05:31] <ubuntu> and assumes the whole world uses that res
[05:31] <razerslut> razor-x: just past my xorg.conf in there and you will find it?
[05:31] <fortysixand2> 1024x768 looks like crap on a widescreen  :)
[05:32] <Razor-X> razerslut: give us the URL, and yeah, we will
[05:32] <Jet2k5> razerslut: yes paste it there, and give us the link
[05:32] <razerslut> alright
[05:32] <biscuit_> 1024x768 does look kinda bad on Linux for some reason and not windows.. but it could be the 17 inchmonitor......
[05:32] <ern> alguien sabe hablar espaol?
[05:32] <Razor-X> funny thing, the URL is Universal
[05:32] <biscuit_> Umm
[05:32] <Jet2k5> razerslut: hurry because I just did this, while its fresh on my mind
[05:32] <Razor-X> ern: #ubuntu-es
[05:32] <biscuit_> I understood two words!
[05:32] <robotgeek> biscuit_, maybe u need to use 96 dpi
[05:32] <ern> vale! :)
[05:32] <Jet2k5> biscuit_: it's just the gnome desktop
[05:32] <Razor-X> then again, i'm one of the only people who has such modest requirements anywho
[05:33] <Jet2k5> you have two panels to worry about, windows only has 1 ;)
[05:33] <robotgeek> biscuit_, i changed mine...it looks awesome!
[05:33] <Razor-X> scores of bleating Windows users who can only play games on the internet and nothing more make my box look infantile at best
[05:33] <Jet2k5> biscuit_: try making your panels smaller, to make some space and make it lok better :)
[05:33] <Razor-X> because my parents think technology is useless ;{
[05:33] <biscuit_> So im getting a vibe to switch to 1024x768?
[05:33] <Razor-X> s/{/)
[05:33] <biscuit_> Well.... ok
[05:33] <Razor-X> /
[05:33] <travisbickkle> how do i add multiverse?
[05:33] <biscuit_> Umm
[05:33] <robotgeek> biscuit_, noooo!
[05:33] <Jet2k5> uncomment it from your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:33] <biscuit_> Does anyone here know about Linuxant ?
[05:33] <travisbickkle> i set added universe
[05:33] <Razor-X> !repositories
[05:33] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:34] <fortysixand2> www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:34] <hybrid_goth> travisbickkle: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:34] <Jet2k5> or that
[05:34] <Razor-X> !guide
[05:34] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Razor-X
[05:34] <Razor-X> !ubuntuguide
[05:34] <ubotu> I guess ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[05:34] <setite> ok i cant find the thing on the ubuntu wiki to automount my windows drive
[05:34] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: dont suggest the gui suggest the wiki
[05:34] <Razor-X> questions so common we have bots give you dry answers so as not to waste our precious wrist fluid ;)
[05:34] <ubuntu> well?
[05:34] <setite> i search ntfs like i used to and it automatically goes to some bulgarian version
[05:34] <biscuit_> Does anyone here use WINE?
[05:34] <razerslut> http://pastebin.com/318963
[05:34] <razerslut> razor-x:http://pastebin.com/318963
[05:35] <Razor-X> biscuit_: i'm pretty sure a multitude of people do, are they here, that is the question
[05:35] <robotgeek> biscuit_, i can dcc my xorg.conf file. i dunno if it's allowed/possible here!
[05:35] <Razor-X> ;) I love messing with people by doing that
[05:35] <biscuit_> robotgeek: I had no idea what you just said
[05:35] <Razor-X> nobody realizes that thousands of people have the same problem as them, hehe
[05:35] <Jet2k5> razerslut: looks good
[05:35] <biscuit_> And on WINE can you use the Windows XP folder instead of the fake one
[05:35] <Jet2k5> razerslut: reboot, and see if it works
[05:35] <robotgeek> biscuit_, send you my xorg.conf
[05:36] <biscuit_> Because i can get hardly anything to run because of missing .dll files
[05:36] <Jet2k5> if not try removing the "HorizSync and VertRefresh
[05:36] <frantina> hellooooooo...............
[05:36] <biscuit_> robotgeek: Still have no idea what your talking about
[05:36] <Jet2k5> frantina: yes?
[05:36] <biscuit_> Well i do
[05:36] <biscuit_> But yeah
[05:36] <razerslut> jet25k: alright
[05:36] <robotgeek> biscuit_, cause my desktop looked like crap. stick to the  1024 x 768 resolution
[05:36] <Razor-X> gah, I have to start my web browser
[05:37] <Jet2k5> 1024 x 768 is standard now
[05:37] <Razor-X> yeah
[05:37] <robotgeek> biscuit_, but just change the dpi to 96 instead of the 75
[05:37] <Razor-X> as is 512 MB of RAM
[05:37] <biscuit_> Grr i can't autoalign my monitor in ubuntu
[05:37] <Jet2k5> Razor-X: yepp :)
[05:37] <Razor-X> and 80 GB CPUs
[05:37] <biscuit_> But i could in Puppy Linux off of my iPod
[05:37] <Razor-X> and 64 MB GPUs
[05:37] <radiodog> i'm battling with the nvidia driver trying to get 1280x1024
[05:37] <Jet2k5> Razor-X: huh?
[05:37] <Razor-X> I only meet the res requierment ;)
[05:37] <robotgeek> :)
[05:37] <biscuit_> Hey
[05:37] <frantina> haloooo
[05:37] <robotgeek> i only meet the ram resolution
[05:37] <Razor-X> Graphics Processing Unit
[05:37] <frantina> biscuit
[05:38] <robotgeek> frantina, we hear ya!
[05:38] <biscuit_> How do i change the DPI robotgeek?
[05:38] <Jet2k5> radiodog: it's not always the video card but the monitor
[05:38] <biscuit_> Ya
[05:38] <robotgeek> okay..
[05:38] <biscuit_> I hear ya
[05:38] <Jet2k5> make sure your monitor supports it
[05:38] <biscuit_> Watcha need
[05:38] <frantina> halo robot koe wong endi
[05:38] <Razor-X> LaTeX books cost an arm-and-a-leg -_-
[05:38] <Jet2k5> what?
[05:38] <Jet2k5> frantina: what language are you speaking? chinnese?
[05:38] <frantina> ono seng bisa bahasa jowo ra yah
[05:38] <razerslut> everything is well now
[05:38] <razerslut> hallelujah
[05:38] <Jet2k5> dkdkf ajfa;dfj dto you too!
[05:38] <razerslut> =D
[05:38] <biscuit_> ARE YOU SPEAKING CANADIAN :-P!
[05:38] <Razor-X> biscuit_: XD
[05:38] <Jet2k5> razerslut: your welcome :P
[05:38] <frantina> yes jt
[05:38] <Razor-X> ami bhalo achi?
[05:38] <Razor-X> tomi acho?
[05:38] <radiodog> Jet2k5: want to give me some insight? the nv driver does 1280x1024 fine
[05:39] <razerslut> how hard is it to switch to kde under ubuntu?
[05:39] <Razor-X> ki bhasha bolchen?
[05:39] <Razor-X> ;)
[05:39] <frantina> no i spkng java
[05:39] <biscuit_> How do i change the dpi?
[05:39] <robotgeek> Razor-X, that sounds bengali
[05:39] <razerslut> and is it easy to switch back and forth between kde and gnome?
[05:39] <Razor-X> robotgeek: that's because it is
[05:39] <Jet2k5> radiodog: the video card usually supports it, but not the monitor :)
[05:39] <robotgeek> biscuit_, pulling up the link
[05:39] <biscuit_> Thanx.
[05:39] <Jet2k5> radiodog: the monitor is what limits your higher resolution
[05:39] <robotgeek> Razor-X, telugu/tamil!
[05:39] <Razor-X> robotgeek: kickass!
[05:39] <travisbickkle> hybrid goth what do i do after i get to the sources list to add multiverse?
[05:39] <radiodog> Jet2k5: but if nv can get the monitor into 1280x1024 fine...
[05:39] <Razor-X> (although I don't know tamil)
[05:39] <Jet2k5> radiodog: then what are you complaining about?!?
[05:39] <biscuit_> Does anyone know if you can use an actual Windows XP folder instead of the default onme set up with wine?
[05:40] <Razor-X> biscuit_: you can
[05:40] <Jet2k5> razerslut: stick to gnome
[05:40] <Jet2k5> lol
[05:40] <biscuit_> Razor-X: How do you
[05:40] <biscuit_> KDE... Grr
[05:40] <Jet2k5> razerslut: sometimes 2 DMs is not worth the trouble :P
[05:40] <biscuit_> I couldn't ever connect through it
[05:40] <frantina> razor  h are u
[05:40] <Razor-X> specify the pathname of the program you want to run to WINE
[05:40] <Razor-X> frantina: I'm good, you?
[05:40] <biscuit_> ?
[05:40] <frantina> sam
[05:40] <Jet2k5> You guys understand each other?
[05:41] <Razor-X> ......
[05:41] <biscuit_> I know how to run things in it.. but the progs i run try to look for XP .dll files
[05:41] <Jet2k5> ............
[05:41] <Razor-X> Jet2k5: you really think so?
[05:41] <Jet2k5> Razor-X: nah
[05:41] <Jet2k5> :P
[05:41] <Jet2k5> >.<
[05:41] <biscuit_> Which the default WINE installation doesn't come with
[05:41] <Jet2k5> brb
[05:41] <Razor-X> biscuit_: try finding the DLLs and copying them yourself
[05:41] <frantina> razor can't u spk  java
[05:41] <fortysixand2> can you copy those files from a windows install?
[05:42] <biscuit_> Yea
[05:42] <biscuit_> Im trying
[05:42] <Jet2k5> frantina: I can speak yo mommma
[05:42] <Jet2k5> j/k
[05:42] <Razor-X> frantina: I can't speak any shortening of the English language
[05:42] <Jet2k5> I've been doing Your momma jokes all day
[05:42] <biscuit_> But even when i replace the folder in magically remembers the old setup
[05:42] <Razor-X> well, I _can_, I don't want to though
[05:42] <Razor-X> it devalues an already devolving language
[05:42] <Jet2k5> ah come one Razor-X , show us your magic!
[05:42] <Razor-X> Jet2k5: ;)
[05:43] <Jet2k5> damn it I hate 1024x768
[05:43] <biscuit_> Does anyone still use (or remember) dialup?
[05:43] <Razor-X> Jet2k5: how would you like 1.6 ghz, 32 MB VRAM, or 40 GB HDD?
[05:43] <fortysixand2> I remember dial-up
[05:43] <Razor-X> biscuit_: some, yes
[05:43] <frantina> abdi tenya hoan razor u im pls lague inglis
[05:43] <Razor-X> some the former, most the latter
[05:43] <Razor-X> some neither
[05:43] <biscuit_> Does anyone here know what Linuxant is?
[05:43] <Razor-X> ....., ok then
[05:44] <Razor-X> biscuit_: google is your friend
[05:44] <fortysixand2> they sell something about drivers
[05:44] <biscuit_> Google has sorta helped me.. and failed me in this matte
[05:44] <biscuit_> Yeea
[05:44] <biscuit_> I put in a key
[05:44] <Razor-X> brb
[05:44] <biscuit_> And it says it's valid
[05:44] <Razor-X> biscuit_: then you can't use google right ;)
[05:44] <Jet2k5> Razor-X: I have all the others just a p4 2.0GHz processor
[05:44] <frantina> bisciuit u good
[05:44] <biscuit_> But still doesn't say i have a license
[05:44] <Jet2k5> so i already have all that :P
[05:44] <biscuit_> Does P4 3.00 ghz w/ HT get any standing here?
[05:45] <fortysixand2> "standing"?
[05:45] <biscuit_> "Credit:
[05:45] <biscuit_> "*
[05:45] <Jet2k5> biscuit_: no too fast
[05:45] <biscuit_> ..Some idiot at Gateway installed my processor twice....
[05:45] <Jet2k5> lol
[05:45] <Jet2k5> gateway
[05:45] <biscuit_> So it says 2x P4
[05:46] <biscuit_> GATEWAY COWS OUR COOL!
[05:46] <Jet2k5> I have a system here that is missing core components
[05:46] <Jet2k5> amd64 proc, mobo, ram, and video card
[05:46] <Jet2k5> everything else I have
[05:46] <fortysixand2> lol
[05:46] <biscuit_> Lol
[05:46] <Jet2k5> I freaking ran out of money :P
[05:46] <Jet2k5> so I have my 160 sata 150 drive sitting around
[05:46] <razerslut> i guess thats why they offer ubuntu and kubuntu
[05:46] <Jet2k5> along with the DVD-RW
[05:46] <setite> gotta love ubuntu... the stuff i couldnt work works and now i cant work what i used to be able to
[05:46] <razerslut> kubuntu was what i installed first and i like dit
[05:47] <setite> ok i cant find out how to make my c drive mount
[05:47] <biscuit_> Why don't you deck out another comp then
[05:47] <Jet2k5> razerslut: then pick one :P
[05:47] <Jet2k5> just don't get both, it tends to mess somethings up
[05:47] <razerslut> is it hard to add a 3rd party  app to your keyboard shortcut list?
[05:47] <razerslut> like xchat?
[05:47] <Jet2k5> biscuit_: I have the money
[05:47] <setite> do i have to do a real reboot
[05:47] <biscuit_> setite: Is it formated in NTFS (figuring its a windows install)?
[05:47] <biscuit_> Shock
[05:47] <Jet2k5> biscuit_: I'm spending 300+ dollars on an LCD screen
[05:47] <biscuit_> A Real Reboot!
[05:47] <biscuit_> Lol
[05:47] <Jet2k5> so that takes me down a bit
[05:47] <setite> ya
[05:47] <biscuit_> I spent 450 on mine.. so yeah
[05:47] <Jet2k5> yeah
[05:47] <Jet2k5> biscuit_: play games on it?
[05:47] <biscuit_> And 1300 on this comp...
[05:47] <setite> thee was a tutorial on the wiki that worked fine
[05:47] <biscuit_> Dang rite
[05:47] <biscuit_> Lol
[05:48] <setite> but i cant find it now
[05:48] <robotgeek> biscuit_, it's on ubuntuforums.org, in the list of howto's... can't find it right now :(
[05:48] <Jet2k5> biscuit_: whas the response time?
[05:48] <ducky_> Anyone, ever get Unbuntu to install under Vmware?
[05:48] <biscuit_> 128 MB ATI RADEON X300SE Card
[05:48] <biscuit_> And really quick
[05:48] <Jet2k5> biscuit_: response time , on the LCD monitor :P
[05:48] <biscuit_> Ummm
[05:48] <ducky_> It's not detecting my any partitions
[05:48] <biscuit_> LCD? Monitors have response time
[05:48] <biscuit_> Well its faster than me
[05:48] <biscuit_> So i guess it's fast
[05:48] <Jet2k5> lol
[05:48] <biscuit_> Lol
[05:48] <Jet2k5> your of no good :P
[05:49] <biscuit_> Though im kinda slow
[05:49] <Jet2k5> well mine is going to have 8ms response time
[05:49] <biscuit_> Yea it's really fast
[05:49] <Jet2k5> which is good for gaming :P
[05:49] <biscuit_> Lol
[05:49] <Jet2k5> no ghosting
[05:49] <Jet2k5> whats so ever
[05:49] <Jet2k5> w00t
[05:49] <Jet2k5> I hope
[05:49] <biscuit_> Cani borrow it?
[05:49] <biscuit_> cough steal cough
[05:49] <Jet2k5> of course you can!
[05:49] <biscuit_> Lol
[05:49] <Jet2k5> heh
[05:49] <j_fletcher> k, i'm trying to use certain desklets, but it says i need "Theme, Weather and bla sensors" I can't find them on gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org -- any ideas?
[05:49] <biscuit_> At least most of you can get Broadband... i live to far away from it
[05:49] <Jet2k5> you guys know I got kicked out of #python for saying LOL
[05:49] <Jet2k5> :P
[05:49] <Razor-X> back
[05:49] <biscuit_> My godly machine is hindered by the dialup plauge
[05:49] <Jet2k5> and using facial expresions :P
[05:49] <setite> oh i know what it didnt work
[05:50] <biscuit_> Lol
[05:50] <Computer__Guru> hai, fsckers
[05:50] <setite> i have sata... so its sda not hda
[05:50] <setite> ahhhh
[05:50] <robotgeek> biscuit_, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20976
[05:50] <Jet2k5> ahh
[05:50] <Razor-X> Jet2k5: thank god ;)
[05:50] <Razor-X> lol's been overused
[05:50] <Jet2k5> Razor-X: lol
[05:50] <Razor-X> laugh
[05:50] <Razor-X> out
[05:50] <biscuit_> Lol
[05:50] <Razor-X> loud
[05:50] <biscuit_> Totally
[05:50] <Jet2k5> lol
[05:50] <biscuit_> Lol
[05:50] <Razor-X> laugh-out-loud
[05:50] <Jet2k5> shit I can't get away from it
[05:50] <Razor-X> dude, emote it
[05:50] <Jet2k5> opps
[05:50] <Razor-X> you people aren't using it correctly
[05:50] <fortysixand2> ell-oh-ell
[05:50] <Razor-X> an emote is preceded by a `*'
[05:50] <Jet2k5> Laughing ...
[05:50] <ducky_> I get no partitionable media were found.  When installing under Vmware.  Anyone else have that problem?
[05:50] <Razor-X> so, wouldn't it be *lol?
[05:50] <razerslut> hi ducky
[05:50] <La_PaRCa> wow, my firefox is really acting weird
[05:51] <Jet2k5> Razor-X: :lol:
[05:51] <robotgeek> Razor-X, *lol*
[05:51] <Jet2k5> or we can speak l337
[05:51] <Razor-X> but, AOL'rs can't use punctuation ;)
[05:51] <Jet2k5> I would of got banned if I did that :P
[05:51] <fortysixand2> I remember AOL
[05:51] <ducky_> razerslut: hi
[05:51] <Razor-X> since this speech is derived from them ;)
[05:51] <fortysixand2> i had it at version 2.0 or so
[05:51] <Jet2k5> fortysixand2: good 'ol days
[05:51] <Razor-X> i've broken free
[05:51] <User708> Hello, if anyone would be kind enough to teach me how to download binary files such as getting Java, It'd be very helpful. Please message me in private.
[05:51] <fortysixand2> Jet2k5:  no doubt
[05:51] <Razor-X> i'm ``lol''-less
[05:51] <Razor-X> ;)
[05:51] <Jet2k5> I can't remember how I got into Linux
[05:51] <biscuit_> binary he says
[05:51] <biscuit_> Hmmmm
[05:51] <Jet2k5> man it's been a year already
[05:51] <Antinomy> I used to use compuserve chat in the late 80s
[05:51] <Razor-X> !java
[05:51] <ubotu> hmm... java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[05:52] <fortysixand2> I remember having it before it had a web browser
[05:52] <Razor-X> Antinomy: I wasn't born then
[05:52] <Jet2k5> I've been pimping distros left and right down Linux square :P
[05:52] <Razor-X> I was alive in the AOLer days
[05:52] <Antinomy> Razor-X: how sad. we had fun
[05:52] <fortysixand2> I started on Red Hat 5.2
[05:52] <Razor-X> only, I was a bit too infantile to use the internet effectively
[05:52] <ph00> fortysixand2 : me too
[05:52] <Jet2k5> I started on mdk 10.0
[05:52] <biscuit_> So can anyone help on my WINE problem?
[05:52] <Razor-X> I started on Debian ;)
[05:52] <Jet2k5> biscuit_: sorry don't knwo it
[05:52] <biscuit_> About trying to set it to read from my windows xp folder
[05:52] <robotgeek> biscuit_, you would need to get the values for the xorg.conf, i can lend you mine :)
[05:52] <Razor-X> biscuit_: copy the DLLs you need
[05:52] <Jet2k5> this is my first debian system and I hate it
[05:52] <Antinomy> biscuit_: Quit drinking
[05:52] <fortysixand2> ph00:  seems like severa years
[05:52] <Jet2k5> bah love it :P
[05:52] <biscuit_> And i did make a copy of that folder on linux
[05:53] <Razor-X> Jet2k5: hah
[05:53] <biscuit_> I STARTED ON THIS!
[05:53] <robotgeek> Jet2k5,make up ur mind!
[05:53] <Rockret> is possible make upgrade firefox (1.0.2 to 1.0.5) ?
[05:53] <Jet2k5> GOOD FOR YOU!
[05:53] <biscuit_> 2 weeks ago!
[05:53] <Razor-X> I tried Red Hat and Mandrake after Debian
[05:53] <ph00> RedHat 5.2, Mdk 6.0, then Slack 3.6, Slak 7.0, then freebsd, recently unubuntu and netbsd
[05:53] <Jet2k5> Rockret: yeah, get it from firefox website
[05:53] <Razor-X> but, ewww, those are the only words I have
[05:53] <Razor-X> Slack and Gentoo kick serious ass
[05:53] <Jet2k5> Rockret: I don't think you will find it in a repo
[05:53] <biscuit_> Razor-X: But they are in like a million subroots
[05:53] <Rockret> ok
[05:53] <Razor-X> Rockret: it's the exact same
[05:53] <Jet2k5> Razor-X: I just got in an argument about gentoo gui installer
[05:53] <biscuit_> nickrud: Wtf?
[05:53] <setite> hey whats the sound control that you open from the terminal that has the ghetto UI
[05:53] <robotgeek> I tried ydl, (sucked, except for the hardware detection and configuration..worked beautifully)
[05:53] <Jet2k5> Razor-X: they said it will bring retards to gentoo
[05:54] <Razor-X> biscuit_: that's what ``find'' is for, no?
[05:54] <User708> Ubotu, Is it in Binary because Binary is hard to install and it takes me forever because of using Terminal.
[05:54] <ubotu> User708: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[05:54] <Razor-X> Jet2k5: it will
[05:54] <Jet2k5> Razor-X: so I guess they can call it Gentoo for the Gifted :P
[05:54] <nickrud> eh, not well said, but a lot of new users
[05:54] <biscuit_> Razor-X: Lol i did a find
[05:54] <Razor-X> I need a retard-free distro left
[05:54] <robotgeek> then debian, i learnt all about kernel recompiles!
[05:54] <Rockret> one question: in my bios , do I need turn on plug and play option ?
[05:54] <biscuit_> And yea
[05:54] <Razor-X> Ubuntu i'll support
[05:54] <biscuit_> Thats what came up
[05:54] <Razor-X> but when retards give me a headache
[05:54] <Razor-X> my secret summer retreat
[05:54] <biscuit_> MY BIOS GIVES ME A TEMEPERATURE!
[05:54] <biscuit_> Lol
[05:54] <setite> i have no sound
[05:54] <Jet2k5> Razor-X: yeah but that's not how the developers feel :P
[05:54] <Razor-X> with a special someone (portage) XD
[05:54] <Jet2k5> setite: me neither
[05:54] <Rockret> APIC or PIC ?
[05:54] <Jet2k5> Rockret: huh?
[05:55] <setite> well i want sound
[05:55] <Jet2k5> setite: for?'
[05:55] <biscuit_> Ummm.. btw when i try to set up alsa and test it.. it says failure to contrust test pipeline?
[05:55] <setite> there is a sound mixer that you open from the terminal... anyone know what it is
[05:55] <Jet2k5> setite: alsamixer
[05:55] <fortysixand2> alsamixer
[05:55] <robotgeek> alsamixer
[05:55] <Jet2k5> w00t
[05:55] <Razor-X> setite: alsamixer
[05:55] <Razor-X> bastards
[05:55] <Jet2k5> beat you gusy ;P
[05:55] <fortysixand2> dang
[05:55] <setite> yea how do i open that
[05:55] <Razor-X> you beat me
[05:55] <fortysixand2> lol
[05:55] <setite> just type that in
[05:55] <Jet2k5> Razor-X: that's just too late dude
[05:55] <Razor-X> is alsa easy to type on a QWERTY keyboard?
[05:55] <Jet2k5> yeah
[05:55] <Rockret> I have two NIC, and when two are active ... do not work
[05:55] <Jet2k5> in the command line
[05:55] <Razor-X> damned QWERTY acronyms, you and your ancient standards ;)
[05:55] <nickrud> biscuit_, try doing killall esd, then trying to set the pref to alsa; you probably don't have a card that handles hardware sound stream mixing
[05:56] <Jet2k5> lol
[05:56] <Jet2k5> well guys it's been fun
[05:56] <Jet2k5> bbl
[05:56] <Jet2k5> time to play some Halo 2
[05:56] <Jet2k5> w00t w00t
[05:56] <fortysixand2> later
[05:56] <biscuit_> killall esd?
[05:56] <Razor-X> Halo 2 is overrated
[05:56] <Razor-X> Halo 1 kiced ass
[05:56] <biscuit_> Halo 2 should be made for pc
[05:56] <Jet2k5> Razor-X: not when you are the top 10 in the country :P
[05:56] <Razor-X> they should release a Halo 1 with a graphics overhaul
[05:56] <biscuit_> XBOX IS FOR PANZIES!!!
[05:56] <Razor-X> Jet2k5: you need a life man
[05:56] <robotgeek> gnu chess rocks! :)
[05:56] <Jet2k5> biscuit_: no shit, why do you think I'm building a computer
[05:56] <Razor-X> that's coming from a 15 year old
[05:56] <Jet2k5> Jet2k5: j/k
[05:56] <Jet2k5> lol
[05:56] <biscuit_> 733 mhz piece of junk
[05:56] <biscuit_> Lol
[05:56] <Jet2k5> Razor-X: I'm 16
[05:56] <Jet2k5> lol
[05:56] <Razor-X> dude, it's all about GNU go
[05:56] <Jet2k5> :P'
[05:57] <Razor-X> Jet2k5: PWNED, you are, PWNNNNNNDDDD
[05:57] <robotgeek> ;)
[05:57] <Razor-X> XD
[05:57] <Razor-X> Go kicks ass
[05:57] <setite> how do i work the alsamixer... what key turns things on that are off
[05:57] <fortysixand2> m mutes
[05:57] <Razor-X> setite: tab and the arrow keys, IIRC
[05:57] <biscuit_> When i try to opne alsamixer in terminal
[05:57] <fortysixand2> i use arrow keys
[05:57] <biscuit_> It gives me an error
[05:57] <Razor-X> or you can read the man page?
[05:57] <Jet2k5> Razor-X: I will kick some ass for you, and stand on his back and shove a flag up his arse the says " for Razor-X "
[05:57] <Razor-X> I don't like arrow-keys in the terminal anymore
[05:57] <nickrud> biscuit_, what's the error
[05:57] <biscuit_> fucntion snd_ctl_open failed
[05:57] <User708> It's too hard to download Java...You need to do too much with the Terminal
[05:57] <Razor-X> Jet2k5: do it ;)
[05:57] <robotgeek>  The Up and Down Arrows control the volume for the currently selected device. You can also use + or - for the same purpose. Both the  left  and
[05:57] <robotgeek>        right signals are affected. For independent left and right control, see below.
[05:57] <biscuit_> for default
[05:57] <biscuit_> No such file
[05:57] <fortysixand2> I use "sudo" for alsamixer
[05:57] <Razor-X> i'll do the same in UT for ya
[05:57] <Jet2k5> Razor-X: lol, later man
[05:57] <robotgeek> from the max page
[05:58] <Jet2k5> peace guys
[05:58] <Razor-X> I owned a short clan for a while
[05:58] <Jet2k5> my homies
[05:58] <Jet2k5> my friends
[05:58] <biscuit_> {iece
[05:58] <Jet2k5> and my lovers
[05:58] <Razor-X> we used to do all sword practice sessions
[05:58] <biscuit_> Lol
[05:58] <setite> well up and down wont turn on things that are set to off
[05:58] <Jet2k5> oh yeah I know you want me biscuit_
[05:58] <Jet2k5> lol
[05:58] <biscuit_> Lol
[05:58] <Razor-X> mmm, gay love XD
[05:58] <Jet2k5> :X
[05:58] <biscuit_> Ummmm
[05:58] <jeran> I'm confused how to start downloading Winex... Cedega.. Whatever it's called
[05:58] <Jet2k5> lol!
[05:58] <Razor-X> (no, i'm not gay)
[05:58] <biscuit_> "backs away
[05:58] <biscuit_> Far away
[05:58] <Jet2k5> jeran: heh me too
[05:58] <Jet2k5> later
[05:58] <Razor-X> jeran: the latter
[05:58] <Razor-X> you can compile Cedega from the CVS, I hear
[05:59] <Sleeper> hey hey all . how do i setup a user and not sudo ?
[05:59] <Sleeper> root i mean
[05:59] <Razor-X> Sleeper: set it up in a sudo -s
[05:59] <biscuit_> You mean set up a root?
[05:59] <Razor-X> yeah, I miss my UT clan days, that was before Euler and his allure ;)
[05:59] <Razor-X> I used to help out on n00b servers
[05:59] <mike> sleeper i think when you go into users and groups and create a user when you sudo'd into it, will make a non-sudo user
[06:00] <Razor-X> and sometimes, I used to forget I was on a server with n00bs
[06:00] <Razor-X> and they'ld die
[06:00] <Razor-X> and their little typed screams were so fscking hillarious XD
[06:00] <setite> ok i cant turn on the tone
[06:00] <Sleeper> i jsyt want to be able to run su and enter a root PW
[06:00] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: play a real game! crawl or nethack
[06:00] <Razor-X> ``stop it ur suppsed to be helping us!''
[06:00] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: nethack all the way man
[06:00] <setite> what turns things off and on
[06:00] <Sleeper> i dont want sudo. i havent setup a root pw yet
[06:00] <biscuit_> nickrud: Do you know the whats wrong?
[06:01] <biscuit_> Root pw.. isn't that like your main user pass?
[06:01] <nickrud> biscuit_, is this a sound blaster audigy?
[06:01] <biscuit_> No
[06:01] <setite> i have sb audigy 2 zx
[06:01] <setite> zs*
[06:01] <setite> help
[06:01] <biscuit_> Realtek 97 rear HD
[06:01] <nickrud> heh, wrong error path, then
[06:01] <biscuit_> So.....
[06:01] <biscuit_> Do i find the file, and put it into the path
[06:02] <nickrud> biscuit_, no, I've seen that error, it usually has to do with lack of support for a card, or the wrong driver for the card getting loaded
[06:02] <nickrud> or no driver
[06:02] <biscuit_> ...
[06:02] <biscuit_> Oh
[06:02] <biscuit_> Where would i find a linux driver for it?
[06:02] <biscuit_> Just luck of google?
[06:02] <jeran> is it worth the 5 bucks a month to get the prepackaged things from Transgaming?
[06:02] <biscuit_> NEVER!
[06:02] <biscuit_> DO NOT PAY
[06:02] <biscuit_> DO IT YOURSELF!
[06:02] <setite> help me
[06:02] <setite> i know why it wont work
[06:02] <Razor-X> biscuit_: ..............
[06:02] <setite> but i cant turn on the output jack
[06:03] <jeran> biscuit_: Me < Linux n00b
[06:03] <Razor-X> jeran: no point, you can though
[06:03] <biscuit_> jeran: Me too
[06:03] <Razor-X> jeran: better to learn than pay
[06:03] <nickrud> biscuit_, if you could, post lsmod | grep snd on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl (the lsmod | grep snd is done in a terminal)
[06:03] <jeran> True
[06:03] <Razor-X> it'll be a learning experience ;)
[06:03] <Sleeper> ok. how come the install didnt ask me for a root pw to add .. andf how do i do so ?
[06:03] <biscuit_> In theory you could run DX from WINE
[06:03] <Razor-X> (as much as I know you people hate to learn)
[06:03] <biscuit_> But it would have to be setup just rite
[06:03] <Razor-X> dude, OMG, i'm sounding like my teachers
[06:03] <biscuit_> If the app could find the DX libs.....
[06:03] <biscuit_> Lol
[06:03] <fortysixand2> learning is good
[06:04] <setite> cedega aint that expensive though
[06:04] <setite> some lessons arent worth it in the grand scheme of things
[06:04] <setite> haha got it.. you press m to enable
[06:04] <setite> woot
[06:04] <setite> makes no damn sense though
[06:04] <fortysixand2> why not?
[06:04] <biscuit_> nickrud: i typed that into a terminal.. but it just went to a new line
[06:05] <SysFail> does anybody know anything about using squashfs in ubuntu???
[06:05] <robotgeek> setite, are us using pbbuttonsd?
[06:05] <Razor-X> setite: i'm 15, and I can do it
[06:05] <Razor-X> not that hard, really
[06:05] <setite> cant do what
[06:05] <setite> and what is pbbuttonsd
[06:05] <biscuit_> Im 13.. and im screwed....
[06:05] <nickrud> then, you probably have no sound drivers installed :)
[06:05] <fortysixand2> i feel old
[06:05] <fortysixand2> :(
[06:05] <Razor-X> biscuit_: you can do it ;)
[06:05] <biscuit_> Lol
[06:05] <Razor-X> at least, I could, two years ago
[06:05] <setite> 48 eh?
[06:05] <fortysixand2> lol, not quite
[06:05] <setite> or is that 46 and 2 months
[06:05] <hybrid_goth> i am 14 =D
[06:06] <biscuit_> Lol
[06:06] <setite> jesus why so many kids in here
[06:06] <biscuit_> IM ALMOST 14!
[06:06] <setite> jesus
[06:06] <biscuit_> Lol
[06:06] <Razor-X> setite: we're your future
[06:06] <biscuit_> Kids kick ass
[06:06] <Razor-X> the _learned_ future ;)
[06:06] <fortysixand2> is ANYONE over 27?  :(
[06:06] <Razor-X> where we use our ignorant elders as slaves
[06:06] <setite> well that explains why you folk are so hyper
[06:06] <biscuit_> <<-Enviromental Engineering all the way!
[06:06] <setite> ok well im off to install the cedega i paid for
[06:06] <hybrid_goth> we are the linux generation
[06:06] <Razor-X> telling them that we know more than you, only to enslave you in our clutches for eternity!
[06:06] <biscuit_> Paid
[06:06] <hybrid_goth> booyah!
[06:06] <biscuit_> YOU PAID!
[06:06] <Razor-X> MUAHAHAHAHA, YOUTH JIHAD
[06:06] <robotgeek> fortysixand2, m close!
[06:06] <biscuit_> WHY!
[06:06] <fortysixand2> sweet, I feel better
[06:06] <biscuit_> PAYING IS FAILING!
[06:06] <ph00> fortysixand2 : I'm old enough to use Slackware 3.6
[06:07] <hybrid_goth> heh
[06:07] <fortysixand2> lol @ph00
[06:07] <Computer__Guru> umm
[06:07] <hybrid_goth> ph00: you mean when it was released
[06:07] <Computer__Guru> I paid for crossover office
[06:07] <ph00> and debian potatoe
[06:07] <Sleeper> slackware rules. im just learning this deb-ubuntu stuff..
[06:07] <fortysixand2> just wanted to make sure I wasn't the geezer
[06:07] <Computer__Guru> it's uhhhh not free
[06:07] <Razor-X> Sleeper: definitely
[06:07] <Antinomy> I'm old enough to date women who are too young for me.
[06:07] <robotgeek> lol
[06:07] <ph00> ya - well, windows 98 really sucked, so that's whein I switched
[06:07] <biscuit_> Hmmmmm...
[06:07] <biscuit_> Windows 98...
[06:07] <biscuit_> That was good
[06:07] <biscuit_> Windows ME
[06:07] <biscuit_> Lol
[06:08] <john023> windows XP
[06:08] <Computer__Guru> me was junk
[06:08] <biscuit_> Has anyone in here ever used ME
[06:08] <Computer__Guru> xp is pretty nice
[06:08] <jeran_> I downloaded Ubuntu(on a 56k modem, it took me 4 days) and I just dropped Windows XP that day and here I am..
[06:08] <biscuit_> I had one gig of ram!
[06:08] <ph00> XP = eXtra Problems?
[06:08] <Antinomy> biscuit_: yep.
[06:08] <Computer__Guru> i got an hp 1ghz that shipped with me
[06:08] <biscuit_> And ME ... welll
[06:08] <biscuit_> Lol
[06:08] <hybrid_goth> biscuit_ i have it sucked
[06:08] <robotgeek> biscuit_, yep. 'ME' was not even an OS
[06:08] <biscuit_> Yea
[06:08] <biscuit_> It was A FAILURE!
[06:08] <hybrid_goth> me deleted itself  from my comp
[06:08] <Antinomy> I'm old enough to remember hoping Carter would beat Ford
[06:09] <hybrid_goth> imho ME 2 = longohorn or vista
[06:09] <Computer__Guru> hybrid_goth: lol
[06:09] <ph00> well, he did
[06:09] <biscuit_> So does that mean your old?
[06:09] <Antinomy> thank god
[06:09] <nickrud> heh, I voted for carter
[06:09] <biscuit_> Longhorn.. another failure
[06:09] <biscuit_> In the making
[06:09] <ph00> Carter was the best president the US ever had
[06:09] <robotgeek> it's Vista now!
[06:09] <Antinomy> biscuit_: no, it means I am a certain age. "old" is a matter of opinion
[06:09] <biscuit_> Im waiting for the Mac For Intel Hardware
[06:09] <fortysixand2> biscuit_ : define failure
[06:09] <jeran_> I've heard Longhorn will be cool, it's so simplified that it won't even require you connect a mouse or keyboard to it.. It just does everything by itself
[06:09] <setite> omg the sound sucks on here
[06:09] <hybrid_goth> i wont vote till i am 22 cuz i turn 18 the month after the election for prez atleast
[06:09] <Computer__Guru> i hear longhorn is actually kinda nice.. heard the interface is pretty much xml based, so anything can be changed
[06:10] <john023> windows shorthorn
[06:10] <Antinomy> ph00: Roosevelt and Truman were better, so was Lincoln (obviously)
[06:10] <jeran_> Although Microsoft says it's stable as long as you DON'T plug in a keyboard or mouse
[06:10] <biscuit_> Oh
[06:10] <nickrud> hybrid_goth, so vote for dog catcher, it's an election :)
[06:10] <biscuit_> Someone told me Longhorn was another bug in the making
[06:10] <biscuit_> Though i heard it looked really nice
[06:10] <fortysixand2> someone?  sounds like a trustworthy source
[06:10] <biscuit_> I'll wait until i see how people rate the reliablitie
[06:10] <fortysixand2> :p
[06:10] <digitalfox> who here has installed UT on Ubuntu?
[06:10] <biscuit_> Lol
[06:10] <cdawson> Does anyone here know of a good distro that still uses 2,4 kernel.  I assume I cannot use ubuntu because of udev, which relies on 2.6, no?
[06:11] <robotgeek> i saw the screenshots over at flexbeta, not really something new!
[06:11] <jeran_> It's pretty smoothed out graphics.. It's got that 'cool' initial look.. Kinda like XP did with that blue/green bar orginally
[06:11] <radiodog> gentoo will do it.
[06:11] <hybrid_goth> cdawson: slackware 7.1
[06:11] <biscuit_> That someone brought me to linux, runs like 3 distros on his comp, can probally outsmart a good many of us... So yeah
[06:11] <radiodog> er, that was for cdawson
[06:11] <biscuit_> Cool
[06:11] <cdawson> hybrid_goth:  a modern distro, I should have said.
[06:11] <nickrud> biscuit_, maybe you can post sudo lspci on pastebin, it'll tell us something about your hardware
[06:11] <Computer__Guru> you people spend so much time slamming microsoft, you never stop to realize the technological advances they're responsible for...if they hadn't kept making bigger, and more bloated software, we wouldn't have near the processor power we do now :D
[06:11] <biscuit_> My Aunt Jenny still wants to slap bill gates
[06:11] <biscuit_> Yea
[06:11] <hybrid_goth> cdawson: good luck there
[06:11] <biscuit_> Computer__Guru has a point
[06:11] <biscuit_> I think Microsoft kicks ass!
[06:12] <Computer__Guru> yeah i do
[06:12] <hybrid_goth> ph00: hell yea i fsckin love screen
[06:12] <biscuit_> I just don't like some of the things in it
[06:12] <nickrud> Computer__Guru, I've never thought of it that way, maybe I should send money.... nah
[06:12] <ph00> I knew of it before - but it's pretty cool
[06:12] <Computer__Guru> i definately dont diss em for realizing and living the american dream
[06:12] <jeran_> That is true.. but the only point we have faster processors is so they could make Windows XP run 'fast'
[06:12] <biscuit_> Lol
[06:12] <Antinomy> Actually, Gates isn't really evil. I mean, there are corporations that work the fingers of children TO THE BONE and we don't spend half as much time bitching about them. Just a matter of perspective.
[06:12] <biscuit_> The only reason XP sucks for most people is that most peeps have 256 ram
[06:12] <biscuit_> If you get 1 gig for XP
[06:12] <biscuit_> It takes off
[06:12] <biscuit_> Like really really fast
[06:12] <hybrid_goth> Computer__Guru: nice one and then ppl with small OSes could kick ass
[06:12] <jeran_> I have 512, it's nice at 512
[06:13] <radiodog> but, a gig of ram in gentoo will take off more.
[06:13] <biscuit_> I had a 1 ghz processor with 1 gig... and XPran beatiful
[06:13] <biscuit_> Yea
[06:13] <biscuit_> I have 512 too.. and it runs beatiful too
[06:13] <Computer__Guru> i have 384 and i like it just fine
[06:13] <ME_Here> Hey guys any of you downloaded QT4
[06:13] <jeran_> what is QT4??
[06:13] <biscuit_> ME!
[06:13] <biscuit_> ME!
[06:13] <fortysixand2> XP runs ok on a Turion 2Ghz and 1.5GB of RAM
[06:13] <biscuit_> HISSS!
[06:13] <Computer__Guru> there's another 256 floating around here somewhere, i need to throw it in the box
[06:13] <biscuit_> 1.5 gig of ram fortysixand2 :-D
[06:13] <ME_Here> jeran_: it's a gui development library
[06:13] <jeran_> Ubuntu works good on my Compaq Laptop.. I must say I was surprised
[06:13] <radiodog> i've got 512 ddr400 in dual channel....ooohhh.
[06:14] <biscuit_> Lol
[06:14] <ph00> problem with XP is not it's performance, it's the whole fscking closed corporate model
[06:14] <biscuit_> My processor still rulez
[06:14] <biscuit_> Yea
[06:14] <radiodog> ph00: good call!
[06:14] <jeran_> ME_Here: That is actually what I was thinking.. but I was just making sure it wasn't some kind of game :-P
[06:14] <biscuit_> Im trying to figure out how to crack open explorer and shell32...
[06:14] <ME_Here> jeran_ : aight
[06:14] <biscuit_> I liek the mac look
[06:14] <Computer__Guru> as long as you have at least 256mb ram, xp actually runs (and operates good enough to work on) ok on a p-2 266
[06:14] <biscuit_> So im trying to integrate it
[06:14] <glick> hey does anyone have any other words for "virtual" or "emulation" "simulator" etc?
[06:14] <vader> I am running 256 on this Dell laptop and Ubuntu is running awsome on it
[06:15] <Computer__Guru> i mean it sucks, but it *does* work and is stable
[06:15] <Mobus> glick: Imaginary
[06:15] <ME_Here> glick: brain stimulator
[06:15] <ME_Here> lol
[06:15] <biscuit_> glick: Drugs?
[06:15] <Mobus> Glick: illegal?
[06:15] <radiodog> glick: computer culture!
[06:15] <Computer__Guru> this is a dell optiplex gx240 w/384mb ram, and a 1.7ghz p4
[06:15] <glick> for godsake be real
[06:15] <Mobus> glick: RIAA?
[06:15] <Computer__Guru> and k/ubuntu runs beautifully
[06:15] <Punkcut> hey ubuntu guys. I got a buddy whose got some serious nvidia graphics problem. You guys got a doc somewhere on installing nvidia support and accelerated graphics?
[06:16] <biscuit_> Does anyone like havetrouble seeing the XP Start bar when started up Windows XP
[06:16] <radiodog> this is a amd athlon 64 3000+ with 512ram, 1.8ghz
[06:16] <biscuit_> I think the worst thing about XP though is XP SP2
[06:16] <Mobus> I agree
[06:16] <Computer__Guru> I have SP2 installed on my xp box...
[06:16] <radiodog> biscuit_: is SP2 the one that crippled a bunch of dell machines?
[06:16] <Computer__Guru> while i dont know if im a fan
[06:16] <Computer__Guru> it hasnt broken anything
[06:16] <Computer__Guru> *shrug*
[06:16] <biscuit_> This is a Intel Pentium 4 Processor w/HT 3.00 ghz with 512 Ram, 128 MB ATI RADEON 300XSE
[06:16] <biscuit_> Ummm
[06:16] <Mobus> Biscuit: Run your mouse at the VERY bottom of the screen, and it SHOULD pop up
[06:17] <ph00> before sp2 IE was shite
[06:17] <vader> I have it installed on all of the boxes at work and it is good for my job
[06:17] <radiodog> biscuit_: what's your fsb?
[06:17] <ph00> totally virus-prone
[06:17] <biscuit_> SP2 and DirectX 9.0c = Hate
[06:17] <biscuit_> FSB?
[06:17] <biscuit_> Umm
[06:17] <fortysixand2> IE isn't shite now?   :p
[06:17] <biscuit_> 800 mhx
[06:17] <biscuit_> mhz*
[06:17] <Computer__Guru> ph00: it's still virus prone
[06:18] <davidmccabe> Hi folks.
[06:18] <fortysixand2> hi
[06:18] <nickrud> glick, you can get a decent thesaurus by installing dictd and dict-moby-thesaurus
[06:18] <radiodog> Hi.
[06:18] <davidmccabe> What package must I install to get the AM_PATH_PYTHON macro in my autoconf library? it isn't python-dev.
[06:18] <Mobus> hi radiodog
[06:19] <vader> holly coew I have been installing the same thing for 5 mins lol....must be a huge program lol
[06:19] <vader> cow^^
[06:19] <Computer__Guru> ie still renders pages a lot better than any other browser, and the ms java extensions added some really nice functionality.. but the downfalls aren't worth the eye candy/extra handlers
[06:19] <Super_BQ> well.. i'm almost 100% happy with Ubuntu
[06:19] <Super_BQ> despite ONE problem I can't fix :|
[06:19] <davidmccabe> I'm about 89% happy, compare with 65% or so with Gentoo.
[06:19] <ph00> I'd fall in love with any OS that only ever gave me one problem!
[06:19] <Super_BQ> if I was smarter.. i would throw out the Firestarter firewall program but I really don't know enough of IPTABLES and IPFORWARDING to make this box into a decent gateway
[06:20] <glen_> Question - I'm using a modem to connect to the net - using diler that comes with Gnome - I need to set the init string.... any ideas how?
[06:20] <davidmccabe> ph00: *that he can't fix*
[06:20] <biscuit__> Sorry
[06:20] <biscuit__> Dam Linuxant Driver
[06:20] <biscuit__> glen? Are you using Linuxant?
[06:20] <glen_> yes i am
[06:20] <davidmccabe> Ok, so obviously nobody knows the answer to my question here. Does anybody know how I might look it up?
[06:20] <biscuit__> Umm
[06:20] <biscuit__> Full version?
[06:20] <nickrud> Super_BQ, I'm gonna be looking into that, and I'll be looking at the package impasq
[06:20] <glen_> it's a pain - I should have bought a modem
[06:20] <biscuit__> Yea
[06:21] <Super_BQ> I can see how firestarter would make setting up a firewall easy but it's far too restrictive and lacks more custom options :(
[06:21] <biscuit__> Full version though?
[06:21] <glen_> yes full version
[06:21] <biscuit__> Oh
[06:21] <biscuit__> When you entered your key
[06:21] <Super_BQ> nickrud: you looking at setting up a firewall?
[06:21] <nickrud> Super_BQ, s/impasq/ipmasq/
[06:21] <biscuit__> Did it still say License stauts :FREE
[06:21] <DanglyBits> what is the ubuntu equivalent of firefox-1.0.6?
[06:21] <biscuit__> But Said that the key was entered
[06:21] <glen_> nope - status OK
[06:21] <biscuit__> Oh....
[06:21] <biscuit__> I entered a key
[06:21] <biscuit__> It took it
[06:21] <biscuit__> But still said it was free
[06:21] <biscuit__> Lol
[06:21] <Super_BQ> nickrud: oh but i'm unfamiliar with the classic way of "programming" config files :(
[06:21] <biscuit__> Im going to downgrade a version...
[06:22] <Super_BQ> it's bad enough to get me to sudo apt-get install xxxx
[06:22] <biscuit__> Glen... is your download rate halfway decent though
[06:22] <biscuit__> Like about 3 - 4
[06:22] <nickrud> Super_BQ, so am I, that's why I'll probably be using ipmasq, 'people who know lots more than me' say I should
[06:22] <biscuit__> Bcuz onwindows my dialup modem ruled!
[06:22] <biscuit__> Now it sucks...
[06:22] <DanglyBits> anyone....what is the ubuntu equivalent of firefox-1.0.6?
[06:23] <IcemanV9> DanglyBits: n/a
[06:23] <Super_BQ> at the moment.. in order for my Samba to work is I have to stop the firestarter - then my windoze boxes can access the linux files
[06:23] <Super_BQ> however, I lose the routing/ipforwarding that firestarter has
[06:23] <ph00> DanglyBits : I just keep using the about:config trick - might be incorrect, but seems to work
[06:24] <vader> see you all later....time for my shower and then bedddddzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[06:24] <Super_BQ> if only firestarter could edit any UPD PORTS i want it to allow
[06:24] <Super_BQ> their allow policy for SMB is TOO generic
[06:24] <nickrud> Super_BQ, yeah, firestarter used to let you do UDP, I don't know why it doesn't now
[06:24] <Super_BQ> and doesn't even let port 445 which is required for windows/Samba to look
[06:25] <glen__> sorry - my connect dropped - which is my problem
[06:25] <biscuit__> Hmmm
[06:25] <biscuit__> Mine drops every hour
[06:25] <biscuit__> I dunno why
[06:25] <fortysixand2> dial-up?
[06:25] <akk> Anyone with a clue about ruby?
[06:26] <glen__> Linuxant support want me to try setting the init string...  yes dial up
[06:26] <akk> docdiff installs its ruby files to /docdiff ... I suspect they should go somewhere else (ruby isn't finding them there).
[06:26] <biscuit__> glen__ What speed are you trying to get it to dialup at
[06:26] <biscuit__> Try setting the string(or set up in ppconfig) to force it at 57,600 bps
[06:27] <mattt> is there a command line tool to reconfigure networking?
[06:27] <Super_BQ> don't you just edit the /etc/network/interfaces file?
[06:28] <fortysixand2> reconfigure how?
[06:28] <Super_BQ> and then edit /etc/network/run/ifstate
[06:28] <woodwizzle> mattt: ifconfig?
[06:28] <Super_BQ> pico
[06:28] <Razor-X> any Wheel of Time fans in the house? ;)
[06:28] <mattt> no, i wanted a front-end to change from static to dhcp :P
[06:28] <Razor-X> Super_BQ: pico is non-free
[06:28] <Super_BQ> ifconfig only shows - not edits
[06:28] <nickrud> lol
[06:28] <davidmccabe> I *hate* having separate -dev packages!!
[06:28] <Razor-X> davidmccabe: annoying, no?
[06:28] <davidmccabe> worst part about ubuntu so far by a long shot.
[06:29] <akk> How do I tell what repository/component a package came from?
[06:29] <davidmccabe> hi Razor-X... we've met on #math?
[06:29] <Razor-X> davidmccabe: hmmmm... yeah, I think so
[06:29] <Super_BQ> well. it took me over 3 hours to install ubuntu on a PII-266Mhz box
[06:29] <Razor-X> I thought you were an Ubuntu frequenter
[06:29] <fortysixand2> ouch
[06:29] <davidmccabe> Razor-X: the worst part is when you have no idea what package something comes from.
[06:29] <mattt> yah, ubuntu is supposed to have the fastest installer ... didn't seem so to me
[06:29] <Razor-X> ahhh, yeah
[06:29] <Super_BQ> i wonder how much faster the install would be on a new PC ?
[06:29] <mattt> archlinux installs like 10x faster.
[06:29] <davidmccabe> Razor-X: like the stupid AM_PATH_PYTHON macro. it's not in python-dev. where is it?!
[06:29] <nickrud> mattt, dhcp on ethernet?
[06:29] <Razor-X> like the X dev packagaes
[06:29] <Razor-X> s/packagaes/packages/
[06:29] <davidmccabe> aggghhhrggh
[06:30] <mattt> although, it doesn't install gnome right off the bat
[06:30] <jasmuz> Super_BQ: that is ok, compared to the 1 hour install in my 1.68ghz AMD
[06:30] <Super_BQ> and Gnome just barely runs
[06:30] <Razor-X> Super_BQ: of course
[06:30] <Super_BQ> jasmuz: haha
[06:30] <mattt> nickrud: nah, i just used the gnome network tool to do it ... thanks.
[06:30] <Razor-X> for your purposes, E or Fluxbox would be more adequate
[06:30] <ph00> OMG Gnome on a 266!
[06:30] <fortysixand2> kanotix installed in like 15 minutes
[06:30] <ph00> lol9ololol ell-oh-ell
[06:30] <nickrud> mattt, so, that thing actually works :)
[06:30] <Super_BQ> my only intentions for this box is a gateway (no desktop)
[06:30] <Razor-X> ph00: I ran KDE on my 486
[06:30] <davidmccabe> Razor-X: 1.0?
[06:30] <mattt> nickrud: appears so :P
[06:30] <Razor-X> 3.0
[06:31] <Super_BQ> Razor-X: :)
[06:31] <jasmuz> Super_BQ: when i say 1 hour, its from a boot cd install to the login screen
[06:31] <ph00> Razor-X : glutton for punishment?
[06:31] <Razor-X> ph00: thin client ;)
[06:31] <Super_BQ> jasoncohen: not bad...
[06:31] <Razor-X> just for kicks, I told myself, I have to see it run KDE
[06:31] <Super_BQ> jasmuz: not bad
[06:31] <Razor-X> the only way it would be remotely responsive would be to use a thin client
[06:31] <Super_BQ> ok what's a thin client?
[06:32] <ph00> it still probably was painful
[06:32] <Razor-X> Super_BQ: hmmm, google would do a better job than I would explaining that
[06:32] <Razor-X> ph00: not too much
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> cpu & ram and Video and network card. :) gets the os off a server
[06:33] <Super_BQ> the 2MB built-in video card in my PII Dell box doesn't do justice for graphic display
[06:33] <Razor-X> Dr_Willis: very little is done by the CPU or the RAM
[06:33] <ph00> that's something linux can't really fix
[06:33] <Super_BQ> stuck at some 800 x 600 res... while before when it was on Windows 2000 - I could get 1076 x 760
[06:33] <Razor-X> most of it is processed by the server itself
[06:33] <jasmuz> Super_BQ: why dont you slap on XFCE instead of Gnome ...it must be sloow
[06:33] <Super_BQ> the solution? - put in a new vid card
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:33] <Razor-X> ratpoison ;)
[06:33] <Razor-X> ;)
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> Ive been testing out "MatchBox" for a light window manager
[06:34] <Razor-X> (in a french accent)
[06:34] <ph00> robotgeek : similar to blackbox?
[06:34] <Razor-X> actually, try E
[06:34] <jasmuz> robotgeek: openbox is nice but not that nice
[06:34] <robotgeek> jasmuz, why not?
[06:34] <Super_BQ> jasmuz: i've never heard of XFCE - i'm too afraid to break this box by trying to remove Gnome and install a new GUI
[06:34] <robotgeek> ph00, yes
[06:34] <jasmuz> robotgeek: needs to be polished a bit
[06:34] <ph00> what difference?
[06:34] <fortysixand2> XFCE is good
[06:34] <radiodog> xfce rocks!
[06:34] <fortysixand2> pretty fast
[06:34] <robotgeek> Super_BQ, openbox works even in gnome :)
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> Hmm why do you think you need to 'remove gnome' ?
[06:34] <radiodog> very fast.
[06:34] <hybrid_goth> xfce pwns
[06:35] <jasmuz> Super_BQ: just download and install, you wont need to uninstall gnome
[06:35] <Super_BQ> Dr_Willis: i dunno.. i mean it does take up hard space?
[06:35] <ph00> windowmaker is faster than xfce by factors
[06:35] <radiodog> i'm with hybrid_goth
[06:35] <nickrud> Super_BQ, you would install xfce in parallel to gnome, and just choose it from the login screen
[06:35] <fortysixand2> especially on older hardware
[06:35] <ed1t> GNOME!
[06:35] <Razor-X> yeah, XFce is awesome
[06:35] <hybrid_goth> or laptops
[06:35] <letschatt> i tried ubuntu a month ago. i have a wireless card. i moved from debian kde 2, 2.6.6
[06:35] <radiodog> or just in general.
[06:35] <Razor-X> there needs to be a light, KDE derivative Window Manager
[06:35] <fortysixand2> ehhh, KDE runs great on this laptop
[06:35] <Razor-X> I love some of the KDE tools too much to part with them
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> Super_BQ,  a little. :P a few mb perhaps
[06:35] <Razor-X> like KPDF
[06:35] <fortysixand2> but I run xfce on the old Dell
[06:35] <radiodog> they're working it, there's a fork (isnt there?)
[06:35] <ph00> and blackbox doesn't work quite right on ubuntu for me
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> Thers that kdelite in the works
[06:36] <Super_BQ> i c - but really.. this box won't have much use as a desktop - just want it to router/firewall/ftp/ssh/ - and currently.. SAMBA does not work with Firestarter
[06:36] <Razor-X> radiodog: there is?
[06:36] <robotgeek> i am using openbox. while u are at it, get denu from denu.sf.net to move your menus around to different wm's
[06:36] <radiodog> wasnt it on slashdot?
[06:36] <Super_BQ> surprisingly.. EVERYTHING else I can connect through firestater
[06:36] <letschatt> is it me or is kde 3.4 slow as a pig ?
[06:36] <Razor-X> I never had the attention span to read a periodical
[06:36] <Razor-X> letschatt: it's you ;)
[06:36] <letschatt> i have an athlon 600 with 256 megs of ram
[06:36] <MrBiscuit> Glen?
[06:36] <MrBiscuit> Accept?
[06:36] <letschatt> no hold on razor
[06:37] <Razor-X> letschatt: 1.6 ghz 256 MB of RAM
[06:37] <letschatt> i think we in the linux community are sometimes zealots
[06:37] <hybrid_goth> we are
[06:37] <letschatt> blinded like the right wing cronies
[06:37] <Razor-X> we are
[06:37] <Razor-X> I'm a left wing zealot
[06:37] <Razor-X> I'm a fascist zealot
[06:37] <fortysixand2> +1
[06:37] <letschatt> i tried. i tried my very best
[06:37] <Razor-X> and i'm fscking proud
[06:37] <letschatt> to completely move over to linux
[06:37] <Razor-X> as some would say ``i'm no moderate panzy''
[06:37] <letschatt> i am a proud NDP (canada) leftist myself.
[06:37] <hybrid_goth>  i am a constituionalist
[06:37] <calc> i'm a wingless zealot
[06:38] <Super_BQ> letschatt: LOL!
[06:38] <ph00> letschatt : same
[06:38] <jasmuz> calc: damm right
[06:38] <Razor-X> look, I burned Bush's effigy when he came into power, at my school
[06:38] <letschatt> but i gave up. i spent countless hours trying to apt-fu.ck my way until i got the mofo right
[06:38] <Super_BQ> letschatt: NDP had put our province into mass debt!!!
[06:38] <letschatt> wasn't the NDP super it was the recession.
[06:38] <Razor-X> letschatt: that's what Linuxs is all about
[06:38] <letschatt> anyway
[06:38] <Razor-X> well, not only burned, I did other things too
[06:38] <radiodog> i love the challenge.
[06:39] <letschatt> what i wanna say is that linux developers need to take feedback from ordinary people rather than create one useless copycat livecd distro after another
[06:39] <Razor-X> oh yeah, for you Wheel of time readers out there, i'm going to start a Wheel of Time channel
[06:39] <Sponge_> I have drunk too much rum!!!
[06:39] <Razor-X> PM me if you're interested
[06:39] <Super_BQ> letschatt: recession? explain why our neighbour Alberta managed to pay their provincial debt last year?
[06:39] <letschatt> i think questioning what's pushed down our throats as divine is the right way to make linux
[06:39] <Razor-X> I've tailored almost everything on my box to work to my tastes
[06:39] <robotgeek> please use ubuntu-offtopic!
[06:39] <Sponge_> Ubuntu... are you going to forgive me??? the hangover will be terrible!!!
[06:39] <letschatt> alberta=oil
[06:39] <radiodog> Razor-X: ever play the WoT UT-ish game?
[06:39] <letschatt> alberta=low population, fewer immigrants
[06:39] <Razor-X> radiodog: nopes
[06:39] <letschatt> not that immigrants are necessarily bad
[06:39] <Razor-X> I've heard of it though
[06:39] <radiodog> Razor-X: it's pretty much UT
[06:39] <Sponge_> Ohhh my... god.... hell I', drunk!!!
[06:39] <Razor-X> as any self-respecting WoT obsessee has
[06:39] <Razor-X> I love UT ;)
[06:40] <Super_BQ> lower population means a more expensive country to run
[06:40] <letschatt> but when immigrants first come in and we take the biggest chunk, we have to pay for a lot of services before we start collecting taxes from them
[06:40] <Sponge_> Razor-X: Ubuntu doesn't love me :P
[06:40] <Razor-X> Sponge_: hehehe
[06:40] <letschatt> i removed ubuntu entirely. they dropped the ball on my foot with kde 3
[06:40] <Super_BQ> what really happened was simply the type of gov;t.. Clien sent all their welfare collectors to BC (in fact gave them a free bus ticket) - then NDP got scared and put in a 1 month stand down
[06:40] <Razor-X> letschatt: this isn't #politics
[06:40] <radiodog> Sponge_: you know what this means. no one loves  you, and noone ever will. :D
[06:40] <Razor-X> (i've been there before)
[06:40] <DaSkreech> Can someone tell me which package installs /usr/bin/X11/X?
[06:40] <letschatt> i don't wanna discuss politics
[06:41] <Super_BQ> then the forresty instustry packed and taxes were raised
[06:41] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: X.org
[06:41] <letschatt> rohitkn.blogspot.com read my views then come argue with me lol anyway
[06:41] <Sponge_> rodiodog: Go to hell... burn yourself :P
[06:41] <letschatt> so what i wanna talk about is kubuntu. i love kde over gnome but..
[06:41] <DaSkreech> Razor-X: Doesn't do it for me :-(
[06:41] <Razor-X> Blogs... a very nice colloquial term for text in odd interfaces
[06:41] <letschatt> i find that and i know you won't like this my friends
[06:41] <Razor-X> useless, in my opinion
[06:41] <robotgeek> hmm....
[06:41] <Sponge_> razor-x: How do I load a module at startup? I need to enable a ti-calc compatibility at boot time. How do I do that? What do I need to modify?
[06:41] <letschatt> i find that windows on my pc win 2000 runs lightyears faster than linux .. on my PC
[06:41] <k-0tik> anybody know when the next version of kubuntu is coming out?
[06:41] <DaSkreech> xorg-common and xserver-xorg?
[06:42] <robotgeek> /etc/modules
[06:42] <letschatt> i don't write a typical chick blog
[06:42] <radiodog> Sponge_: /etc/modules
[06:42] <Razor-X> Sponge_: a kernel module... you have to recomipile, IIRC
[06:42] <nickrud> DaSkreech, you can do dpkg -s /path/to/file to figure out which package owns a file
[06:42] <Razor-X> if you want it incorporated in your kernel, I mean
[06:42] <letschatt> 99% of the blogs are worthless. i try to make mine, one which will give you something to think about
[06:42] <nickrud> DaSkreech, thats dpkg -S , sorry
[06:42] <Super_BQ> i'm very impressed with the network file transfer speed on ubunto
[06:42] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: the latter
[06:42] <Razor-X> what is a blog?
[06:42] <Sponge_> Razor-X: Really? But I can do it manually, with modproble. But can I build something like a script or whatever?
[06:42] <Razor-X> read this
[06:42] <Razor-X> it's a bunch of text
[06:42] <Razor-X> with a date on the top
[06:42] <Super_BQ> on a 266Mhz box I can samba transfer around 8MBs
[06:42] <Razor-X> with nice, flashy interfaces
[06:42] <DaSkreech> nickrud: Thanks but hte problem is the file isn't there
[06:43] <ph00> letschatt : linux isnt necessarily faster than windows, but youi can make it go faster with appropriate customizations
[06:43] <letschatt> that's true razor opinions are like assholes everyone has one and it stinks
[06:43] <robotgeek> Sponge_, just add the module name w=to /etc/modules, will be loaded at startup
[06:43] <Super_BQ> before I had redhat 7.0 and was lucky to scrape 2MB/se
[06:43] <Razor-X> is that _really_ an excuse to make a whole dictionary of new terms and fantasize about `blogdom'?
[06:43] <Razor-X> or is the human race craving something new?
[06:43] <letschatt> i mean i read some blogs regularly.. most don't garner the same audience
[06:43] <Super_BQ> NO windows OS on a 266Mhz box can transfer files that fast
[06:43] <robotgeek> i believe the term is blogosphere
[06:43] <Razor-X> there we are
[06:43] <Sponge_> robotgeek: I need a symlink? or something like that?
[06:43] <Razor-X> they even cover `bloggers' on news channels
[06:43] <Razor-X> bloggers have been around before there were `blogs'
[06:43] <Razor-X> the word `blog' is fancy HTML, nothing more!
[06:44] <DaSkreech> :-O
[06:44] <robotgeek> Sponge_, if you know the name of the module, which u modprobe, to the end of the file
[06:44] <ph00> Super_BQ : especially if they are using SMB
[06:44] <letschatt> well on my athlon 600 with 256 megs of ram
[06:44] <letschatt> i run windows way faster
[06:44] <Sponge_> robotgeek: It's the one to enable ti-calc compatibility....
[06:44] <Razor-X> letschatt: you need to optimize your linux some more
[06:44] <letschatt> i think i do too indeed
[06:44] <ph00> letschatt : have you customized your kernel?
[06:44] <La_PaRCa> Ok, I just installed XFCE... how do I add it to the session selecting thingie when gdm starts?
[06:44] <Computer__Guru> heya letschatt
[06:44] <letschatt> no i should have. the bloody thing doesn't even have apm support
[06:44] <ph00> trimmed unnecessary services?
[06:44] <radiodog> letschatt: hardware acceleration?
[06:44] <Razor-X> La_PaRCa: it should put itself automatically
[06:44] <robotgeek> Sponge_, i don't know which module that is. do u know the name of the module
[06:44] <Sponge_> Alcohol... I love the rum!!! ... tomorrow will be hangover time!!!
[06:44] <Computer__Guru> i didnt see your message on dalnet until it was too late
[06:45] <La_PaRCa> Razor-X, need I restart my machine?
[06:45] <letschatt> can you explain some more on that acceleration?
[06:45] <Sponge_> robotgeek: Yes, I do. But I'm too lazy to look for the exact name. Just I needed to now the way to get it loaded on boot time... :P
[06:45] <letschatt> i turned off some daemons. man that old debian with 2.2 was a breeze to work with. ubuntu is too .. far too much like xp
[06:45] <Razor-X> La_PaRCa: in Linux, a rule of thumb is, you almost never need to restart your machine
[06:45] <k-0tik> anybody know when the next version of ubuntu is coming out?
[06:45] <Razor-X> that's a Windows thing
[06:45] <letschatt> xp=xtreme pain
[06:45] <robotgeek> Sponge_, maybe too drunk
[06:45] <ph00> letschatt : ;every linux user should compile their own kernel, preferrably before they use irc
[06:45] <Razor-X> simply logout, and login again
[06:45] <Super_BQ> ph00: i couldn't believe the speed difference!!
[06:45] <La_PaRCa> Razor-X, I know. I jusr restarted X... its not there.
[06:45] <Razor-X> La_PaRCa: odd....
[06:46] <letschatt> i never denied that but i think it's time linux moved to a different VM paradigm.
[06:46] <radiodog> Razor-X: i found i did when: i killed nvidia-kernel, but couldn't rmmod it.
[06:46] <calc> letschatt: i think that is a compliment about ubuntu being like xp ;)
[06:46] <letschatt> linux doesn't disk cache squat unless it absolutely HAS TO
[06:46] <Super_BQ> can I do this in ubuntu ?
[06:46] <Super_BQ> http://www.zdnetasia.com/insight/network/0,39044847,39095280-39000223c-1,00.htm
[06:46] <Razor-X> someone needs to explain to me why you need to create a whole set of new words for an old concept like the `blog', I obviously don't understand
[06:46] <Super_BQ> but then i have to enable DNS :|
[06:46] <letschatt> what? xp is the worst POS i have ever had the misfortune to vomit on my friend it's sh.it
[06:46] <Computer__Guru> letschatt: are you mad? I love the way ubuntu works! It's the best apt-based distribution available, by far.
[06:46] <robotgeek> cause they are now RSS enabled?
[06:46] <Sponge_> robotgeek: There is a rum looking at me, if feel like it getting evaporating... so I can't let it escape. SO LET me be drunk... at least just for a drunk! :P
[06:46] <radiodog> hey, easiest way to do Static IP networking in ubuntu?
[06:47] <letschatt> i don't know guru. ubuntu is bloated. it came with 100s of apps i didn't want. didn't one a single one
[06:47] <calc> letschatt: eh linux disk caches everything it has room for (more or less)
[06:47] <Sponge_> I mean, just for a time...
[06:47] <Razor-X> robotgeek: *gasp* ;)
[06:47] <Computer__Guru> radiodog: edit /etc/network/interfaces
[06:47] <Super_BQ> radiodog: yes I thought it was easy to change within Gnome (much like Windows)
[06:47] <robotgeek> if u wanna go cli, vi /etc/network/interfaces
[06:47] <Sponge_> (Forgive me about my poor english... I'm a spanish-talking dude... ok?)
[06:47] <Computer__Guru> radiodog: and set the static options
[06:47] <calc> letschatt: as far as user friendly its not bad, most people say linux isn't up to par with windows yet ;)
[06:47] <letschatt> the best part about ubuntu.. only good part is that it doesn't keep ancient decades old packages. it gives you the latest there is
[06:47] <Razor-X> emacs man, it's all about emacs
[06:47] <robotgeek> or network-admin
[06:47] <Razor-X> emacs /etc/network/interfaces
[06:47] <La_PaRCa> Razor-X, so, no advise on how to get XFCE in that menu?
[06:47] <letschatt> lol i love command line.
[06:47] <Razor-X> La_PaRCa: ask others, they would know
[06:47] <La_PaRCa> Razor-X, blasphemer!
[06:47] <La_PaRCa> Razor-X, its all about the six
[06:47] <jcapote> how many cds are required to install ubuntu
[06:48] <calc> jcapote: 1
[06:48] <Super_BQ> 1
[06:48] <ed1t> jcapote 1
[06:48] <fortysixand2> 1
[06:48] <robotgeek> Razor-X, do u use a emacs footpedal ;)
[06:48] <Super_BQ> hahaa
[06:48] <DaSkreech> 1
[06:48] <Computer__Guru> or at the very least masochist
[06:48] <letschatt> in my CS @ university of waterloo (canada) days ion3 wm sped me up by a factor of 3-4
[06:48] <BlazingSteakSauc> anyone know of a decent aol dialer that is not peng or from linspire im stuck with it as my isp
[06:48] <La_PaRCa> Razor-X, I mean... the VI
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> 1.000000000000001
[06:48] <calc> BlazingSteakSauc: i think those are the only ones
[06:48] <ph00> letschatt : I'm in Guelph
[06:48] <calc> BlazingSteakSauc: so few people use AOL on linux its not in big demand
[06:48] <letschatt> right on ph00. got a job yet?
[06:48] <DaSkreech> Mudda!
[06:48] <BlazingSteakSauc> dan linspire i got to buy
[06:48] <La_PaRCa> gonna log out, see if its there... if not... someones in trouble
[06:48] <ph00> no - disabled
[06:48] <DaSkreech> is there a Xconfigurator for X.org?
[06:49] <jcapote> anyone running 5.04 on a centrino laptop?
[06:49] <BlazingSteakSauc> peng iss retarded
[06:49] <ed1t> yea me
[06:49] <radiodog> jcapote: one.
[06:49] <robotgeek> DaSkreech, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:49] <letschatt> linux has it's place. i've spent countless hours at co-op terms perfecting a system for their business. i've spent days at home hours on end trying to get wireless to work and stuff to compile
[06:49] <ed1t> im running on IBM Thinkpad R25 1.7 centrino
[06:49] <calc> BlazingSteakSauc: well it does connect to the most retarded isp, it probably wore off on it
[06:49] <Super_BQ> is anyone besides me running Ubuntu on a PII-266Mhz box???
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> ive been fighting with my Compaq V2311 :P
[06:49] <jcapote> ed1t: how do you control cpu frequency scaling
[06:49] <letschatt> but i can't afford a new machine and frankly as much as i hate the way windows does some things, it runs faster
[06:49] <BlazingSteakSauc> it is the only isp i can use at the moment sadly
[06:49] <ed1t> jcapote, wat u mean?
[06:50] <glen_> If I've setup my isp dialer using pppconfig....  is there a way to start/stop it via a GUI using Ubuntu?
[06:50] <fortysixand2> jcapote: cpufreqd?
[06:50] <calc> letschatt: kde might run faster on it than gnome if you are low on memory (didn't see your specs)
[06:50] <jcapote> does it automatically scale based on load?
[06:50] <jasmuz> Super_BQ: im going to install into a AMD 300mhz
[06:50] <jcapote> that's my main concern
[06:50] <ed1t> jcapote, yea
[06:50] <radiodog> letschatt: gentoo will blow that notion out of the water. if you're up for it.
[06:50] <letschatt> athlon 600
[06:50] <calc> letschatt: but best bet is to use something like blackbox/fluxbox
[06:50] <setite> how do i install a tarball
[06:50] <jcapote> can you overide it?
[06:50] <fortysixand2> powernowd scales by load
[06:50] <ed1t> jcapote, hmmm dunno never played withit
[06:50] <hybrid_goth> setite: untar it
[06:50] <ed1t> with it*
[06:50] <La_PaRCa> um... xfce4.desktop is not in /usr/share/xsessions
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> "MatchBox"  is nice and lite..  a little odd at times
[06:51] <robotgeek> setite, gunzip *.tar , ./configure, make , make install
[06:51] <letschatt> radiodog: as a CS person i've spent so much time on linux i think i am gonna let it slide until i have the balls to stay up again. sudo (sudo should be nuked)
[06:51] <Super_BQ> jasmuz: hope you have lots of RAM... just boot up into Gnome sucked about 200MB
[06:51] <setite> damn i was hoping you wouldnt say that
[06:51] <BlazingSteakSauc> jasmuz i installed ubuntu on a 100mhz p1 with 16megs ram works but slow as crazy
[06:51] <jcapote> ed1t: so the defaults have suited you fine?
[06:51] <letschatt> gentoo.. i've heard some good things about but i'll wait
[06:51] <Super_BQ> BlazingSteakSauc: it works!?
[06:51] <BlazingSteakSauc> yup
[06:51] <ed1t> jcapote, yea it works fine for me
[06:51] <Super_BQ> sheezes
[06:51] <calc> Super_BQ: linux uses what you have, free doesn't report very accurate numbers as well
[06:51] <jasmuz> Super_BQ: i dont plan on using Gnome as default GUI
[06:51] <BlazingSteakSauc> centos failed lol
[06:52] <Super_BQ> calc: anotherwords more ram = faster performance?
[06:52] <calc> the -/+ buffers/cache first number is not just what your apps are using
[06:52] <letschatt> athlon 600, matrox dualhead 32 megs, 256 meg ram, broadcom wireless pci card, audigy sound.
[06:52] <calc> it also includes other stuff like inode cache, etc
[06:52] <ph00> BlazingSteakSauc : is centos the one that was copying windows?
[06:52] <BlazingSteakSauc> i took ubuntu to my networking class for fun
[06:52] <calc> Super_BQ: yea
[06:52] <BlazingSteakSauc> im not sure
[06:52] <nickrud> DaSkreech, I was so boggled that a binary under user was not in dpkg -S, I did a bit of digging: It's part of xserver.org, and the install/remove scripts do some interesting things
[06:52] <letschatt> i managed to get the very bare minimum win 2k on it that's why it runs fast. ubuntu laid waste to my machine
[06:52] <fortysixand2> I hate my broadcom card
[06:52] <calc> Super_BQ: i run kde on 128mb at work in vmware and it only shows like its using around 60MB ram
[06:52] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got it from someone in the class
[06:52] <nickrud> *xserver-org
[06:52] <letschatt> i love my broadcom card. forty msg me i'll tell you some settings you need to get (i got 4x the default speed)
[06:53] <calc> Super_BQ: on my home box running gnome and firefox it shows its using 464MB (probably not too accurate)
[06:53] <setite> well i run ubuntu on a amd 64 at 2.75 ghz... take that mr i love to use old computers
[06:53] <ed1t> letschatt, broadcom ethernet or wireless?
[06:53] <letschatt> firefox, kde, X, XFS and some print daemon i don't need take up 200 megs of my ram
[06:53] <DaSkreech> nickrud: Keep talking :)
[06:53] <Super_BQ> well.. I think I need to find out hot to Disable NETBIOS over TCP/IP in an effort to get Samba going through firestater
[06:53] <ed1t> i got a broadcom gigabit ethernet
[06:53] <calc> Super_BQ: there are ways to get more accurate numbers but its not simple to do
[06:53] <fortysixand2> mine is wireless
[06:53] <fortysixand2>  :(
[06:53] <Super_BQ> calc: so TOP won't do?
[06:53] <Sleeper> someone throw me a bone here... how do i create a root pw then just su ..? is it like freebsd where i add it to wheel groups etc .. ?
[06:54] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got a 1.66ghz on this machine the pcs we use in the class are donated so we are allowed to screw with em
[06:54] <letschatt> i bought broadcom in the microsoft rebranding. turn off bluetooth rule # 1. disable power save mode.
[06:54] <calc> Super_BQ: well with firefox the numbers may actually be accurate
[06:54] <letschatt> transfer at a constant rate. don't choose automatic
[06:54] <calc> Super_BQ: you can look at /proc/(pid)/status to see
[06:54] <nickrud> DaSkreech, if all you want is the file, aptitude install xserver-xorg; if you want to understand what's going on, look at xserver-xorg* in /var/lib/dpkg/info
[06:54] <calc> looks like firefox on my box is using a real 234MB+
[06:54] <setite> god now i recall why i hate linux
[06:54] <nickrud> DaSkreech, I'm not going to put in the time, myself
[06:54] <DaSkreech> nickrud: Ok thanks
[06:55] <BlazingSteakSauc> i love firefox it is killer on linux or windows
[06:55] <calc> setite: eh?
[06:55] <jasmuz> Sleeper: sudo passwd ****
[06:55] <BlazingSteakSauc> linux preferably
[06:55] <letschatt> firefox rules!! konqueror.. errrr
[06:55] <setite> calc : i hate how hard a simple thing can become
[06:55] <jcapote> how long does it usually take for .debs to be created out of popular software, such as firefox
[06:55] <ed1t> FF!
[06:55] <jasmuz> firefox roxz!
[06:55] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got fire fox as defualt for this windows boot
[06:55] <setite> also i hate the grub wont use my usb keyboard
[06:55] <ed1t> jcapote, it all depends, FF have some problems
[06:55] <hybrid_goth> jcapote: alien
[06:55] <calc> BlazingSteakSauc: well i do have 15+ firefox windows open, but using that much ram is still kinda bad
[06:56] <the_beginner> Where do i install the drivers to for a modem if im trying to set up an internet connection? /dev?
[06:56] <bob2> jcapote: do you mean "when will firefox 1.0.6 be in hoary?"?
[06:56] <calc> setite: that is your bios faul
[06:56] <calc> setite: fault
[06:56] <fortysixand2> grub uses my USB keyboard just fine
[06:56] <BlazingSteakSauc> why 15?
[06:56] <jcapote> is it?
[06:56] <calc> setite: tell you bios to use dos mode for keyboard
[06:56] <fortysixand2> that's a BIOS problem
[06:56] <bob2> the_beginner: you don't need drivers for a modem
[06:56] <setite> ok
[06:56] <Super_BQ> ok brb. gonna play with network stuff
[06:56] <ed1t> jcapote, there are some minor bugs...but u can fix it urself
[06:56] <BlazingSteakSauc> setite i know what you mean mine don't work either
[06:56] <setite> that still leaves me with the fact that i already forgot how to install a program on here
[06:56] <ed1t> jcapote, like it will show you the wrong version, it will show u 1.0 instead of 1.0.4
[06:57] <BlazingSteakSauc> i use a ps2 usb adaptor to get it to work
[06:57] <bob2> jcapote: new versions of software tend to go into the development branch of ubuntu pretty quickly
[06:57] <the_beginner> Its an Alcatel speedtouch 330, i'm pretty new to Linux, ive just been following what it says on this site but its too confusing
[06:57] <fortysixand2> setite: apt-get install <program name>
[06:57] <calc> setite: system -> administration -> synaptic
[06:57] <setite> and once again half my problem is that i refuse to use the 32 bit version
[06:57] <bob2> jcapote: stable versions of ubuntu do not get new versions of software
[06:57] <Sleeper> jasmuz i keep getting try again
[06:57] <setite> yea but that only works for programs that i have a repo for
[06:57] <calc> setite: or like fortysixand2 in a console window run sudo apt-get install <program name>
[06:57] <the_beginner> Ive downloaded drivers off sourcefourge, and this firmware stuff or something, i think i have to extract that to somewhere?
[06:57] <setite> i need to find a mozilla repo
[06:57] <calc> setite: yea only for about 16000 programs
[06:57] <calc> setite: mozilla is already in ubuntu
[06:57] <La_PaRCa> ok, someone care to tell me why I just installed Xfce and its not listed under the gdm sessions?
[06:57] <BlazingSteakSauc> calc some keyboards like mine will no function period at install in usb or at login window
[06:58] <setite> yea but its not that up to day
[06:58] <setite> date*
[06:58] <IIIEars> lol@calc 16000 "only" - grin
[06:58] <bob2> the_beginner: Im pretty sure  you only need the speedtouch package
[06:58] <jcapote> so packages in the repositories are never updated
[06:58] <the_beginner> Its too confusing, chat script?
[06:58] <calc> setite: it is here: Version: 2:1.7.8-1ubuntu2
[06:58] <bob2> the_beginner: http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ubuntu/
[06:58] <the_beginner> pap secrets chap secrets etc *gives up*
[06:58] <the_beginner> lol
[06:59] <calc> or was as of earlier this week
[06:59] <Computer__Guru> it's not confusing if you take like to minutes to stop and look at it to see how it works
[06:59] <Computer__Guru> two
[06:59] <calc> looks like 1.7.10 is out now
[06:59] <the_beginner> Oh its that page ! thanks !
[06:59] <BlazingSteakSauc> im glad yolinux is back up a few days ago i checked it and it was down
[06:59] <bob2> the_beginner: if you don't understand a specific part, please ask the channel for help
[06:59] <bob2> having someone walk you through the entire process is kinda inefficient, tho
[07:00] <BlazingSteakSauc> 1.7.10 now?
[07:00] <calc> hmm 1.7.10 came out yesterday
[07:00] <BlazingSteakSauc> dang
[07:00] <calc> it will probably be in ubuntu in the next couple days
[07:00] <the_beginner> Yeah, thanks anyway, i'll go figure , if i have a question i think is specific enough i'll hit you guys with it :-)
[07:00] <La_PaRCa> Some help with Xfce? It doesnt appear in the gdm sessions.
[07:00] <Computer__Guru> hrmm
[07:00] <Computer__Guru> how did you install it?
[07:01] <jasmuz> good night folks
[07:01] <Computer__Guru> xfce is nice :)
[07:01] <jcapote> so from what I gather from the forms, it seems that the firefox for hoary now is 1.0.2 with security patches applied
[07:01] <bob2> yes
[07:01] <bob2> that's always bee nthe case
[07:01] <Computer__Guru> jcapote: but they're patches to the extent that it becomes, essentially, 1.0.4
[07:02] <La_PaRCa> Computer__Guru, um, I just noticed I installed xfce not xfce4
[07:02] <jcapote> but is it as secure as 1.0.6
[07:02] <La_PaRCa> Computer__Guru, uninstalled that and went for xfce4
[07:02] <bob2> jcapote: that's the point...yes
[07:02] <Computer__Guru> there ya go :)
[07:02] <calc> 1.0.6 just had a patch for plugins anyway, wasn't it?
[07:02] <bob2> or will be when pitti uploads the latest fixes
[07:02] <jcapote> you could always just install inside /opt
[07:02] <jasoncohen> jcapote, that's correct. if you read the security notes, it has the patches from 1.0.3, 1.0.4 and 1.0.5. 1.0.6 just was a bugfix release to fix the API changes from 1.0.5
[07:03] <jcapote> but it won't be optimized for ubuntu+gnome
[07:03] <La_PaRCa> Computer__Guru, another thing. My firefox started acting weird after the last update. It now doesnt open links to zip or pdf files for some reason.
[07:03] <La_PaRCa> ColonelKernel, when I click on a link to a zip file, it just sits there.
[07:03] <Computer__Guru> odd
[07:03] <Burgundavia> La_PaRCa, known bug
[07:03] <Computer__Guru> reconfigure it?
[07:03] <jasoncohen> what does that mean anyways- optimized for gnome + ubuntu?
[07:03] <Computer__Guru> ah, known bug
[07:03] <La_PaRCa> Burgundavia, ok, thanks. I was looking over bugzilla earlier and didnt see it.
[07:03] <jcapote> no idea, just saying what I read in the forums
[07:04] <Burgundavia> La_PaRCa, as did lots. I have closed about 5 duplicates
[07:04] <IIIEars> jasoncohn - ubuntu sudo?
[07:04] <La_PaRCa> Burgundavia, haha.
[07:04] <jasoncohen> i find the mozilla built to be faster on startup + faster at browsing than the ubuntu build so i don't see what this optimization is doing
[07:04] <La_PaRCa> Burgundavia, thats why I always ask here before posting.
[07:04] <jasoncohen> IIIEars, and why would you need sudo for firefox?
[07:04] <ColonelKernel> La_PaRCa, using the latest ubuntu firefox update eh?
[07:04] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got a file ealier for making ubuntu show ntfs and fat systems but the terminal failed to do anything with it
[07:05] <La_PaRCa> ColonelKernel, yup.
[07:05] <jasoncohen> !mount
[07:05] <ubotu> rumour has it, mount is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[07:05] <La_PaRCa> Its cramping my style.
[07:05] <IIIEars> jasoncohen - else isn't linux=linux?
[07:05] <woody> Kernel? which version?
[07:05] <La_PaRCa> I need a connection better than 128kbps
[07:05] <jasoncohen> BlazingSteakSauc, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions'
[07:05] <ColonelKernel> La_PaRCa, get the latest firefox from mozilla, install it locally, and use that until the ubuntu folks fix the browser
[07:05] <jasoncohen> IIIEars, i don't know what you're talking about.
[07:05] <ColonelKernel> the ubuntu version of firefox is broken
[07:05] <BlazingSteakSauc> let me see if thats the one
[07:05] <calc> ColonelKernel: broken, how?
[07:05] <La_PaRCa> ColonelKernel, nah, its not THAT bad. I can live with it.
[07:05] <IIIEars> what else distinguishes ubuntu from Debian?
[07:06] <calc> 1.0.6 wasn't even a security fix
[07:06] <calc> it just fixed some plugin breakage
[07:06] <woody> calc
[07:06] <Burgundavia> IIIEars, faster and more consistent release cycle. New packages in the stable version
[07:06] <ColonelKernel> calc, for me, links dont work - like if I try to d/l something from sourceforce, it doesnt hapen
[07:06] <Burgundavia> calc, .6 didn't solve all the breakage
[07:06] <woody> #calc
[07:06] <BlazingSteakSauc> that different then what was given to me
[07:06] <calc> and since plugins don't work on my version of ubuntu its no big deal (for me anyway)
[07:07] <calc> Burgundavia: odd
[07:07] <woody> !
[07:07] <ubotu> Wish i knew, woody
[07:07] <jasoncohen> IIIEars, it's optimized for desktop usage. debian has no default set of installed packages. you install what you want. they don't fiddle with stuff to make it work by default. ubuntu has templates for many packages with optimized settings
[07:07] <BlazingSteakSauc> gonna save it to my thumb drive to load in the os
[07:07] <calc> i have 1.0.5 here and it works fine for me
[07:07] <La_PaRCa> Burgundavia, how about a flash thing. It is freezing my firefox every time the plugin unloads. Known too?
[07:07] <ColonelKernel> well my firefox worked fine before the update, but the 1.0.6 from firefox I installed locally simeply screams
[07:07] <IIIEars> Burgundavia, Ah - appreciate the clarification. - Ubuntu is much better than any other distro i tried
[07:08] <Burgundavia> calc, it is only a select set of extensions
[07:08] <Burgundavia> La_PaRCa, no idea, but I assume it is part of the breakage
[07:08] <jasoncohen> IIIEars, ubuntu only supports packages that are important to most users. debian is a better server distrobution as it has a longer life, security support on many more packages and is more thoroughly tested
[07:08] <jasoncohen> i would recommened ubuntu for a desktop user and debian for a server
[07:08] <La_PaRCa> Burgundavia, ok, will just wait for the next update.
[07:08] <BlazingSteakSauc> sandisk usb sticks require no work to be seen or read even with fat 32 on em
[07:08] <Burgundavia> Ubuntu generally only supports the best of the breed packages. So only one of each server
[07:08] <hybrid_goth> debian wont break
[07:08] <Burgundavia> one webbrowser, etc.
[07:08] <calc> Burgundavia: ok, yea they probably wouldn't even work on mine in any case so no problem for me :)
[07:09] <IIIEars> BSD for servers. Debian? - if you say so.
[07:09] <La_PaRCa> hungry
[07:09] <La_PaRCa> I wish I had some pizza
[07:09] <calc> hybrid_goth: debian doesn't break? in unstable it does :)
[07:09] <calc> actually debian breaks other times too
[07:09] <calc> the version of gzip they shipped in sarge is fubar
[07:09] <ColonelKernel> i couldnt get any mozilla browser plugins installed on bsd
[07:09] <calc> doesn't work properly with apt-get
[07:10] <La_PaRCa> everything breaks
[07:10] <calc> so eg apt-get source fails ~ 50% of the time for me
[07:10] <jasoncohen> why does ubuntu's apache2 server default to an FTP view. debian's goes to the default apache web page if you go to http://serverip and doesn't show the different directories
[07:10] <jasoncohen> on mythweb, it tries to open the php file rather than loading the page
[07:10] <IcemanV9> ColonelKernel: install linuxwrapper
[07:10] <ColonelKernel> IcemanV9, ill install ubuntu instead
[07:11] <ColonelKernel> actually I use centos for my server
[07:11] <BlazingSteakSauc> no wine for ubuntu??
[07:11] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, I think its because the ubuntu package doesnt come with the default pages in the webserver directory
[07:11] <IIIEars> get the update for gzip there was a recent flaw published
[07:11] <ColonelKernel> BlazingSteakSauc, I use cedega and that works fine on cedega
[07:11] <calc> hmm they finally fixed gzip on Jul 11 in debian and forgot to upload it to stable-proposed-updates
[07:11] <BlazingSteakSauc> well the isp is only windows or mac so wine or something close i need to get it installed
[07:12] <ColonelKernel> BlazingSteakSauc, crack rocks?
[07:12] <Razor-X> keroberos!
[07:12] <Razor-X> XD
[07:12] <jasoncohen> La_PaRCa, it's in the same location as in debian - /var/www/apache2-default
[07:12] <La_PaRCa> PIZZA!
[07:12] <Razor-X> BlazingSteakSauc: no ISP is Windows or Mac only
[07:12] <setite> gah!
[07:12] <BlazingSteakSauc> yes
[07:13] <hybrid_goth> lol
[07:13] <calc> Razor-X: AOL is more or less
[07:13] <nalioth> BlazingSteakSauc: yer kiddin me "windows or mac" what kind of crap is that?
[07:13] <setite> cedega is evil
[07:13] <supernix> testedd
[07:13] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, yeah, but I think it comes empty by default on ubuntu. Might be wrong tho.
[07:13] <jasoncohen> but http://serverip automatically opens that page on debian and not on ubuntu. ubuntu also doesn't seem to know how to start mythweb correctly
[07:13] <setite> i renewed my service but the site is being screwy
[07:13] <hybrid_goth> AOL is jsut harder to config with linux
[07:13] <supernix> So much for automatic spell correction
[07:13] <hybrid_goth> you can still connect
[07:13] <setite> AOL!!!!
[07:13] <setite> AOL and linux.. thats funny as hell
[07:13] <calc> AOL uses nonstandard tcp protocol shit
[07:13] <BlazingSteakSauc> im stuck is aohell and the recent version are all win or mac
[07:13] <thechitowncubs> lol
[07:13] <jasoncohen> La_PaRCa, i just installed apache2 on ubuntu and /var/www/apache2-default is there. it's not empty
[07:13] <hybrid_goth> its just their pretty lil training wheels browser
[07:13] <jasoncohen> if i click apache2-default it opens the page
[07:13] <BlazingSteakSauc> verson 3 is had linux version
[07:13] <IIIEars> BlazingSteakSauc - Yep - AOL? - some groups there are the best on the web. windows only seems kind of silly. I hope you can get wine to configure it.
[07:13] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, um, whats in it?
[07:13] <BlazingSteakSauc> slow as hell though
[07:14] <setite> yea aol software is not necessary for inet usage via aol
[07:14] <setite> its their browser and little AOL only features interface
[07:14] <jeran_> What's the difference between Cedega and Winex?
[07:14] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got sites saved on aol
[07:14] <BlazingSteakSauc> need to get em off or use it
[07:14] <Razor-X> setite: no, I think you need an AOL Dialer
[07:14] <Razor-X> they use a proprietary dialer
[07:14] <jasoncohen> La_PaRCa, all the same stuff on my debian box
[07:15] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, thats because the web root directory is /var/www/ not /var/www/apache2-default
[07:15] <BlazingSteakSauc> once i get this linux part online im not using this lame windows again
[07:15] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, if you move everything inside apache2-default to /var/www/ it will work
[07:15] <BlazingSteakSauc> but at the moment going to better isp is not an option
[07:15] <setite> well back in the aol 2.0 days you could use any dialer to get on with aol inet
[07:15] <setite> havent used them since cable was available in my state
[07:16] <IIIEars> Razor-X - Read something about a proprietory protocol. - not too sure if it's about PPP or TCP (would be a pain to use only AOLpeng to connect.)
[07:16] <setite> i still pay for aol to keep my screenname though :(
[07:16] <jasoncohen> La_PaRCa, it works on debian with /var/www/apache2-default
[07:16] <BlazingSteakSauc> someone else is paying the bill here i told em this isp sucks and over charges but they don't listen
[07:16] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, ubuntu is not debian, the conf files are different!
[07:16] <biscuit_> Hi
[07:16] <Razor-X> IIIEars: there's another free dialer
[07:16] <BlazingSteakSauc> aol uses ppp/slip
[07:16] <setite> is there an easy way to get my mouse to work
[07:17] <regeya_> indeed, ubuntu != debian, hth
[07:17] <setite> and i mean truly easy
[07:17] <jasoncohen> La_PaRCa, that's precisely what i'm asking. what do i have to change
[07:17] <setite> like just installing one file
[07:17] <biscuit_> Does anyone know how to use the Windows XP folder instead of the WINE default on WINE?
[07:17] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, ah ok
[07:17] <Razor-X> what's the command-line client to listen to podcasts?
[07:17] <biscuit_> pppconfig rules!
[07:17] <setite> all the mouse buttons i mean, on an mx-510
[07:17] <Razor-X> biscuit_: #wine
[07:17] <biscuit_> Ok
[07:17] <biscuit_> Thanks
[07:17] <rob^> Ubuntu just got a really good review in one of this months PC mags in Australia..
[07:17] <biscuit_> Umm
[07:18] <biscuit_> Yea
[07:18] <cafuego>  Which pc mag? APC?
[07:18] <BlazingSteakSauc> looks like im basicly screwed on getting online
[07:18] <biscuit_> Im already there
[07:18] <rob^> cafuego, no not apc (they have fedora on the cover), it wasnt pc authority either
[07:18] <rob^> another one, I forget the name
[07:18] <biscuit_> BlazingSteakSauc: whats wrong?
[07:19] <cafuego> rob^: yeh, APC is frighteningly windows/redhat-only focused.
[07:19] <setite> aol is evil
[07:19] <setite> get rid of them
[07:19] <calc> ClearTCP A network service that passes 8-bit raw data through a tunnel to the remote host without applying network protocols. Typically used by ISPs who provide ports to America Online (AOL) using the CVX switch. CVX switch supports clear and transparent TCP connections. Also referred to as TCP-Clear. TCP-Clear tunnels can be established for SLIP, asynchronous, and PPP connections.
[07:19] <BlazingSteakSauc> aol is a pain to get workon on linux i wanna switch but can't
[07:19] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:19] <biscuit_> AOL
[07:19] <biscuit_> You poor poor soul
[07:19] <biscuit_> Well
[07:19] <BlazingSteakSauc> yeah i know
[07:19] <biscuit_> There is another route
[07:19] <rob^> cafuego, yeah tell me about it
[07:19] <biscuit_> Do you know your dialup number?
[07:19] <BlazingSteakSauc> but its better then a can and string right
[07:19] <BlazingSteakSauc> yup
[07:19] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:19] <biscuit_> No
[07:19] <biscuit_> It
[07:19] <biscuit_> Isn't
[07:19] <biscuit_> Ok
[07:19] <setite> get older, get a job, and buy your own internet :)
[07:19] <biscuit_> Well
[07:20] <biscuit_> Go to pppconfig in the terminal
[07:20] <BlazingSteakSauc> biscuit_ i know of a worse isp then aol if that suprises you
[07:20] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:20] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, on /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default change all instances of /var/www for /var/www/apache2-default
[07:20] <biscuit_> What?
[07:20] <rob^> setite, yep pretty much :)
[07:20] <Razor-X> BlazingSteakSauc: NetZero?
[07:20] <BlazingSteakSauc> fastnet
[07:20] <fortysixand2> I call BS
[07:20] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:20] <setite> it may be worse.... but not as lame and evil
[07:20] <biscuit_> NetZero stole everything from Juno
[07:20] <setite> hey netzero was cool
[07:20] <biscuit_> Juno had the first dialup accelerator
[07:20] <BlazingSteakSauc> the dude on this one chat got kicked every hour for no rerason
[07:20] <biscuit_> Before AOL *SHOCK
[07:20] <setite> i liked having free internet while it lasted
[07:21] <Razor-X> setite: not anymore ;)
[07:21] <biscuit_> Had the first *mass online web storage
[07:21] <Razor-X> if you liked 14.4 k, well *shrugs*
[07:21] <jasoncohen> La_PaRCa, lol, i just found that myself. thanks though
[07:21] <biscuit_> Is cheap and reliable
[07:21] <BlazingSteakSauc> i used up netzero's limit in 1 day
[07:21] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:21] <biscuit_> Well
[07:21] <biscuit_> Get Juno
[07:21] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, however, why dont you just put your site under /var/www ?
[07:21] <biscuit_> NetZero Sucked always
[07:21] <IIIEars> Juno - roamed the net when dinosaurs walked the earth. pioneer. - grin
[07:21] <Razor-X> BlazingSteakSauc: you can keep your AOL ;)
[07:21] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:21] <biscuit_> Juno
[07:21] <setite> free never fully sucks
[07:21] <biscuit_> Is Old
[07:21] <Razor-X> AOL makes you pay for crap
[07:21] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, um, and about mythweb, do you have php installed?
[07:21] <setite> aol is a joke
[07:21] <biscuit_> But kicks AOL's ass and earthlinks and msns
[07:21] <jasoncohen> La_PaRCa, my real issue is that a guy running ubuntu has http://serverip/mythweb/ try to open the php file rather than showing the site
[07:21] <BlazingSteakSauc> Razor-X im not payin for it
[07:21] <setite> what is it.. 25$ a month now
[07:22] <Razor-X> biscuit_: I love Earthlink
[07:22] <biscuit_> AOL is like Alice in Wonderland.... Though up by some guy on drugs
[07:22] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:22] <setite> thats so sad.. here you can get basic cable for 5 bucks more
[07:22] <Razor-X> what with my fiber optic lines
[07:22] <biscuit_> Razor-X: Earthlink dialup..... you poor poor soul
[07:22] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:22] <hybrid_goth> aol is internet w/training wheels
[07:22] <biscuit_> I live to far for DSL :-(
[07:22] <Razor-X> biscuit_: you know, Earthlink gives DSL, right?
[07:22] <BlazingSteakSauc> well when i get my wireless network funnun im looking for a hotspot to tap into
[07:22] <setite> dsl is lame
[07:22] <thechitowncubs> why is everyone still talking about aol
[07:22] <biscuit_> Yea
[07:22] <thechitowncubs> my god
[07:22] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:22] <Razor-X> setite: yeah, stick with your shitty cable
[07:22] <thechitowncubs> it doesn't deserve all this attention :)
[07:22] <biscuit_> Cable
[07:22] <biscuit_> Haha
[07:22] <setite> sprint has been promising dsl throughout vegas for years
[07:22] <Razor-X> sad thing is, Cable will never be as fast as DSL
[07:22] <calc> you can actually download the source for the aol dialer from linspire
[07:22] <Razor-X> XD
[07:22] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, um, thats because he doesnt have php installed.
[07:23] <calc> and then compile it yourself
[07:23] <calc> http://www.linspire.com/lindows_products_details.php?product_id=12787&pg=specs
[07:23] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:23] <Razor-X> calc: exactly
[07:23] <biscuit_> Who would want it calc?
[07:23] <Razor-X> that's the dialer
[07:23] <rob^> calc, thats just dumb
[07:23] <setite> and they havent got it because they cant get it to work consistently withint a few miles of their datacenter
[07:23] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, he needs apache2-php-mod
[07:23] <BlazingSteakSauc> calc it wanted me to buy
[07:23] <setite> cable rocks it here
[07:23] <calc> biscuit_: whoever uses aol? :)
[07:23] <biscuit_> Everyone.. just use pppconfig for your dialup concerns
[07:23] <Razor-X> setite: Cable slows down when multiple users use the line
[07:23] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:23] <rob^> if you knew how to compile things, you wouldnt use aol
[07:23] <regeya_> j00 r s0 l33t
[07:23] <calc> BlazingSteakSauc: if you use linspire and want to get the deb you have to buy it maybe
[07:23] <setite> i get great speeds... i never get disconnected... and i dont have to live in the ghetto where the cable company is
[07:23] <Razor-X> DSL slows only when I use the phone, and only barely
[07:23] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, sorry, its libapache2-mod-php4
[07:23] <calc> BlazingSteakSauc: to get the source you just download the tar.gz and .dsc and extract and rebuild it
[07:23] <setite> where the phone company is i mean
[07:24] <regeya_> OMG LOL IHBT IMHO HTH HAND
[07:24] <Razor-X> so, if it's a busy night, 20 people on your block watching stuff, another 10 browsing/downloading, prepare for massive slowdown
[07:24] <biscuit_> BlazingSteakSauc.. just use pppconfig
[07:24] <jasoncohen> La_PaRCa, thanks
[07:24] <setite> nah not here
[07:24] <biscuit_> AOL is a mad resource hog
[07:24] <biscuit_> MAD MAD MAD!
[07:24] <BlazingSteakSauc> i'll try the pppconfig
[07:24] <Razor-X> SDSL kicks ass ;)
[07:24] <La_PaRCa> I wonder if its too late to call domino's...
[07:24] <setite> the lines are big enought that my speeds are the same no matter what time of day it is... the slowdown used to happen years ago
[07:24] <Razor-X> Cable can't even _touch_ SDSL
[07:24] <biscuit_> *Wishes he lived close enough for DSL
[07:24] <regeya_> l33t
[07:24] <biscuit_> FIBER OPTIC RULES!
[07:24] <setite> children... think you know it all
[07:24] <Razor-X> setite: and I use Fiber Optic DSL
[07:25] <biscuit_> But i don't have it....
[07:25] <regeya_> l33t l33t l33t
[07:25] <BlazingSteakSauc> biscuit_ i got enough space to habdle the little punk
[07:25] <Razor-X> comes with a rich house XD
[07:25] <aru_> I wish I could get something besides MSN :)
[07:25] <setite> cable is fiber optic too numbskull
[07:25] <calc> Razor-X: what speed SDSL?
[07:25] <biscuit_> BlazingSteakSauc: I have a P4 3.00 ghz proc w/ HT with 512 MB ram and it screwwd up my comp
[07:25] <Razor-X> setite: don't use your ``age == superiority'' to me
[07:25] <Razor-X> setite: depends on your location
[07:25] <calc> Razor-X: when i had SDSL it topped out at only ~ 1.1Mbps
[07:25] <Razor-X> calc: it can go much faster
[07:25] <regeya_> I don't have DSL, don't have DSL available, but my neighbors are several yards away.  I'm happy.
[07:25] <calc> Razor-X: but that was ~ 6-7 years ago
[07:25] <Razor-X> that's some slow SDSL shit
[07:25] <Tac> hey guys... the new version is about to be released and I havent gotten my batch of cds for this release..... should i be emailing someone to see if i got skipped? or are there just too many people wanting cds.....
[07:25] <setite> cox cable in vegas replaced all their lines with fiberoptics for more robust dependable service
[07:25] <BlazingSteakSauc> lol sucks for you aol has yet to get outa line on here
[07:25] <Razor-X> ahhh, ok
[07:26] <setite> and bla bla... so all i know is i get fast speeds always
[07:26] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:26] <regeya_> apt-zip is my friend.  go to work, plug in a usb drive, run the script, bring the debs home.  yay.
[07:26] <vladuz976> can someone help me please. i am getting errors trying to mount/format a new drive
[07:26] <Whistler> how can i clear apt-get cache?
[07:26] <biscuit_> Fiber Optic Still Rules!
[07:26] <setite> and the phone company cant get it right...
[07:26] <calc> supposedly sdsl tops out at 2320kbps 2.3Mbps
[07:26] <calc> according to wikipedia
[07:26] <regeya_> biscuit_ l33t l33t l33t
[07:26] <Razor-X> calc: exactly
[07:26] <calc> perhaps you didn't really have real sdsl?
[07:26] <biscuit_> Isn't FO connect at 100 mbps?
[07:26] <BlazingSteakSauc> i hope you got no rats biscuit_ or by by fiber
[07:26] <calc> 2.3Mbps is slow compared to cable
[07:26] <setite> problem with dsl is that it has distance limits
[07:26] <fortysixand2> Cox around here gets up to about 480KBps sustained downloads
[07:26] <biscuit_> BlazingSteakSauc: Ummmm.....
[07:26] <fortysixand2> my dad's DSL is shite in comparison
[07:26] <biscuit_> What does that even mean?
[07:27] <Razor-X> BlazingSteakSauc: if you can afford Fiber Optic, I don't think there'll be rats around
[07:27] <calc> fortysixand2: which is about 1.5x sdsl speed :)
[07:27] <setite> fortysixand2 same here... that and about 100kbps more on a good day
[07:27] <Whistler> i am using 128kbps
[07:27] <Whistler> :P
[07:27] <fortysixand2> lol
[07:27] <razerslut> is there a way to play shoutcast in linux?
[07:27] <BlazingSteakSauc> you ever hear of the country going fiber?
[07:27] <calc> fortysixand2: i get about the same from cox on their 4Mbps plan
[07:27] <BlazingSteakSauc> rats killed the plan
[07:27] <setite> and i get 80kbps upload to one person and up to 170kbps uploading on a torrent
[07:27] <regeya_> we all know that if you can afford fiber, not only do you not have rodents, but your fecal matter has no odor
[07:27] <biscuit_> I am using 56k with an average of 1 - 4 kbps!
[07:27] <GoRi||a> hey, i got a tvtuner card, and all the channels are off by one...its a brooktree based card
[07:27] <biscuit_> WOOT!
[07:27] <IIIEars> fortysixand2 - socal.rr.com gets about 600kbs
[07:27] <Razor-X> BlazingSteakSauc: I don't live in the country, thank god
[07:27] <GoRi||a> any ideas?
[07:27] <biscuit_> TAKE THAT!
[07:27] <BlazingSteakSauc> bit throught the fiber
[07:27] <biscuit_> Hey
[07:27] <fortysixand2> I am on the 4Mbps plan too
[07:27] <regeya_> biscuit_, same here
[07:27] <biscuit_> The country kicks but!
[07:27] <regeya_> indeed.
[07:27] <biscuit_> regeya: Do you have linuxant?
[07:28] <setite> im on whatever their mid plan is
[07:28] <Razor-X> biscuit_: yeah *cough hick *cough
[07:28] <fortysixand2> IIIEars:  is that a 4Mb plan?
[07:28] <BlazingSteakSauc> no as in hillbilly razor the who US was going to be fiber
[07:28] <vladuz976> can someone help please?
[07:28] <regeya_> biscuit_, good lord no.
[07:28] <setite> it used to be slower but they upped everyones plan
[07:28] <biscuit_> Razon-X: Lol... at least i won't get shot when i walk out my door :-P
[07:28] <calc> razerslut: just use any player to connect to the server
[07:28] <supernix> how safe are the backport mirror to have ?
[07:28] <biscuit_> regeya.. i do, can you help
[07:28] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:28] <Razor-X> biscuit_: I don't live in an urban metropolis
[07:28] <calc> razerslut: if you mean to stream yourself there is a sever called icecast that does it
[07:28] <regeya_> biscuit_, I just threw away a conexant modem
[07:28] <Razor-X> I hate those places
[07:28] <setite> thats southern cali road runner?
[07:28] <Razor-X> Suburban is the way to go
[07:28] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:28] <IIIEars> fortysixand2 - they promised speeds up to 3mbs a bit more cash and you will be promised 6mbs
[07:28] <Razor-X> SoCal just bites off us
[07:28] <Razor-X> most of 'em (not all) are beach idiots
[07:29] <biscuit_> But can you yell out loud wihout getting arrested?!?
[07:29] <Razor-X> still, lots o good programmers come from SoCal
[07:29] <Razor-X> biscuit_: yes
[07:29] <calc> BlazingSteakSauc: the whole country isn't going fiber to the curb for a very long time
[07:29] <regeya_> biscuit_, for full support you have to pay for a license, which stinks.  paying for a license for a cheap modem, versus buying a real modem...hm.
[07:29] <biscuit_> Doh!
[07:29] <supernix> this is what I am talking about http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/
[07:29] <biscuit_> regeya: Keygen...
[07:29] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:29] <fortysixand2> IIIEars: cox here only goes up to 5Mb.  But it's $15 more than 4Mb, and it's not worth it to me.
[07:29] <supernix> anyone else using those ?
[07:29] <biscuit_> But it takes my key
[07:29] <biscuit_> But then
[07:29] <biscuit_> It like
[07:29] <Razor-X> that, and my dad can afford a nice house ;) being a Mechanical Engineer and all
[07:29] <biscuit_> Still says its free
[07:29] <calc> BlazingSteakSauc: probably more than a decade away at minimum
[07:29] <biscuit_> ENGINEERING ALL THE WAY!
[07:29] <BlazingSteakSauc> they need to get the problem of rats chewing trhrough before they try again
[07:29] <regeya_> biscuit_, I have a cute little external modem that has an on-off switch, flashy lights, and plugs into a 9-pin serial port.
[07:29] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:30] <BlazingSteakSauc> they tried once and thong they did worked
[07:30] <biscuit_> Im really thinking about buying one when i get home from the BS National Scout Jambo
[07:30] <IIIEars> fortysixand2 - i have to agree. 600kbs is plenty fast for the occasional iso
[07:30] <biscuit_> How much was it
[07:30] <biscuit_> Ummm
[07:30] <fortysixand2> yup
[07:30] <BlazingSteakSauc> they covered it kevlar even
[07:30] <biscuit_> I would kill someone to get 600 kbps
[07:30] <setite> damnit i need to install flash too
[07:30] <setite> grrrrr
[07:30] <calc> at 400KBps you can download an iso in ~ 30min
[07:30] <biscuit_> THOUGH MY DIALUP ON WINDOWS RULZ
[07:30] <setite> they need one huge repo with everything you cna think of
[07:30] <biscuit_> I once got a d/l rate of 2,280 kbps!
[07:30] <biscuit_> So beat that!
[07:30] <calc> anything over that is plenty for most uses
[07:30] <biscuit_> Over Dialup!
[07:31] <regeya_> biscuit_, I would assume then that your keygen license is no good :-)  I don't remember how much my external was, biscuit_ plus I've had it for a while.
[07:31] <biscuit_> Woot!
[07:31] <IIIEars> calc - yep - few servers give you that much most are somewhere around 200kbs
[07:31] <calc> IIIEars: bittorrent :)
[07:31] <biscuit_> regeya: is that external modem any good
[07:31] <regeya_> heh
[07:31] <BlazingSteakSauc> biscuit_ i saw a cable line go to sub dialup while downloading
[07:31] <setite> well thats why you use flashget or reget or another download accelerator
[07:31] <regeya_> naw
[07:31] <fortysixand2> biscuit_:  difference between Kbps and KBps, you know
[07:31] <setite> so that you can bump back up to 400-500
[07:31] <BlazingSteakSauc> 500bps
[07:31] <biscuit_> ?
[07:31] <regeya_> 300 baud all the way BAYBEE
[07:31] <Razor-X> biscuit_: I don't want to be an engineer
[07:31] <calc> regeya_: no 110 baud? :)
[07:31] <Razor-X> my dad doesen't like what I want to be ;)
[07:31] <biscuit_> What do you want to be?
[07:32] <biscuit_> What is that?
[07:32] <regeya_> calc: now let's not be too silly
[07:32] <setite> biscuit... time for your ridalyn(s?)
[07:32] <Razor-X> I wanna sit on some university board and be a math professor ;)
[07:32] <setite> i keep forgetting how to spell that
[07:32] <fortysixand2> 2280 kbps = 285KBps
[07:32] <fortysixand2> that's slow
[07:32] <biscuit_> Yea
[07:32] <fortysixand2> :p
[07:32] <biscuit_> But over dialup
[07:32] <biscuit_> It's not
[07:32] <fortysixand2> ummmm
[07:32] <calc> regeya_: i have lots of 5.25" floppies laying next to me
[07:32] <fortysixand2> how?
[07:32] <biscuit_> I have no friggin clue
[07:32] <setite> i dont think dialup can physically handle that
[07:32] <BlazingSteakSauc> lol
[07:32] <calc> regeya_: i noticed earlier that one of them even is an original atari disk with their label on it
[07:32] <biscuit_> But that's the readout
[07:33] <biscuit_> 5.25 inch floppies RULED!
[07:33] <regeya_> calc: I have a box sitting on my desk, but mine were for an x86 tandy 1000.
[07:33] <biscuit_> THEY HAD THE STUPIDEST YET COOLEST GAMES!
[07:33] <regeya_> whee.
[07:33] <setite> well my ruler reads out that i have a 1 foot tool... but readings arent always accurate
[07:33] <setite> :)
[07:33] <calc> 8" floppies are too old for me, i've seen them before but never used a system that used them
[07:33] <BlazingSteakSauc> i use em but long time ago
[07:33] <Razor-X> biscuit_: dude, Space Taxi fscking pwnz!!!
[07:33] <biscuit_> Ummm
[07:33] <BlazingSteakSauc> i use only my usb stick were ever possible
[07:34] <biscuit_> All the way!
[07:34] <biscuit_> I never had that one
[07:34] <Razor-X> ok, I think we should shift the channel  back to #ubuntu and not #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:34] <sproingie> hey taxi!
[07:34] <BlazingSteakSauc> lol
[07:34] <regeya_> I remember an IBM word-processing system that was much larger than an XT that had internal dual 8" floppies.
[07:34] <regeya_> one drive had the software on it, the other was for data.
[07:34] <razerslut> There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg
[07:34] <Razor-X> on that note, I hate WYSIWYG word processing ;)
[07:34] <setite> where can i get a list of debian/ubuntu repos... preferrably 64bit
[07:34] <BlazingSteakSauc> anyone ever seen the firsr hd?
[07:34] <razerslut> what does this mean when trying to play a shotcast in rhythmbox?
[07:34] <regeya_> always look on the bright side of life
[07:34] <BlazingSteakSauc> 1meg and huge as crap
[07:35] <setite> is there non-wysiwyg work processors
[07:35] <Razor-X> setite: LaTeX
[07:35] <setite> i mean i never get more than what i see with notepad
[07:35] <biscuit_> Hmm
[07:35] <BlazingSteakSauc> my prof has one for show
[07:35] <regeya_> setite: what Razor-X said :-)
[07:35] <biscuit_> Well i guess i better get back to cracking hsfconfig
[07:35] <calc> biscuit_: fullheight 5.25" probably
[07:35] <sproingie> Razor-X: i'd hardly call latex a wp
[07:35] <biscuit_> Linxuant... grrr
[07:35] <setite> latex a repo list or a lame text editor
[07:35] <regeya_> if you like punishing yourself you could use groff
[07:35] <Razor-X> I write with LaTeX, only word I can call it is ``beautiful''
[07:35] <Razor-X> sproingie: it processess words, does it not?
[07:35] <Whistler> i have 128kbps and i have no chanses to have better
[07:35] <Whistler> =[
[07:36] <sproingie> Razor-X: one usually thinks of some sort of editor
[07:36] <BlazingSteakSauc> Whistler you can get better
[07:36] <BlazingSteakSauc> get hdsl
[07:36] <calc> back in 1994 i helped install a 250GB optical jukebox, took up two full racks
[07:36] <biscuit_> Umm
[07:36] <Whistler> hdsl?
[07:36] <Razor-X> usually, but usual and always is not the same
[07:36] <setite> omg... latex looks like something for a nerd to feel more special
[07:36] <biscuit_> Is ISDN anygood?
[07:36] <BlazingSteakSauc> highest grade of dsl
[07:36] <regeya_> setite: I agree.
[07:36] <sproingie> lout was popular for typesetting for a while
[07:36] <BlazingSteakSauc> isdn is old
[07:37] <calc> biscuit_: if you don't have broadband it is
[07:37] <setite> sorry but it seems to be a little overkill to use code or syntax for simple word processing
[07:37] <calc> biscuit_: 128kbps when you use both channels
[07:37] <sproingie> it didn't really catch on tho
[07:37] <Razor-X> and Word looks like something that retards use because of their brainlessness
[07:37] <Razor-X> ;)
[07:37] <Razor-X> i'm a nerd, and I don't deny it
[07:37] <setite> razor... you will learn this well one day
[07:37] <Razor-X> I wear math terms to school in big font on my chest
[07:37] <BlazingSteakSauc> atm is the best out there
[07:37] <setite> I once asked someone what makes native americans so special
[07:37] <regeya_> setite: bear in mind that latex is old, and that markup took the place of wysiwyg
[07:37] <biscuit_> YES
[07:37] <setite> i was told one thing...
[07:37] <Razor-X> and nobody can beat me up because i'm bigger than most ;)
[07:37] <calc> apparently isdn is very popular in germany
[07:37] <biscuit_> I HAVE AN IDEA *the first
[07:37] <Whistler> BlazingSteakSauc i dont think my telecom provides it
[07:37] <BlazingSteakSauc> its in the hunreds of MBS
[07:38] <setite> they have one of the most advanced languages of any peoples
[07:38] <calc> i remember seeing a pirate bbs listing it had isdn lines in very early 1990s
[07:38] <setite> to which i replied
[07:38] <BlazingSteakSauc> banks use it for obvious reasons
[07:38] <Razor-X> Word Processor: A word processor (also more formally known as a document preparation system) is a computer application used for the production (including composition, editing, formatting, and possibly printing) of any sort of viewable or printed material.
[07:38] <BlazingSteakSauc> all them credit cards
[07:38] <Razor-X> from Wikipedia
[07:38] <regeya_> setite: which natives?  I call B.S.  navaho, for example, has no concept of the hypothetical.
[07:38] <razerslut> There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg
[07:38] <setite> that is why when the "white-man" came they still had bows and arrows\
[07:38] <sproingie> Razor-X: it's already factually incorrect with respect to hardware WP's
[07:38] <razerslut> what does this mean inside rhythmbox?
[07:39] <BlazingSteakSauc> atm is probly too much for a common person to use
[07:39] <calc> razerslut: probably need to install gstreamer-mad
[07:39] <IIIEars> hehe BBS servers they were always busy (9600 modems) dial hang up dial hang up repeat...
[07:39] <setite> there are some bits of knowledge that are purely a waste of time
[07:39] <Razor-X> the advantages of LaTeX, is that, it can be converted to almost any documentation format on earth that's OS portable
[07:39] <Harold> Evening, all
[07:39] <setite> life is short... so think about what you seek to gain when you spend hours learning how to use a non-wysiwyg word editor...
[07:39] <regeya_> I learned that from a missionary who gave a talk in the four corners area who in a bible study section "now let's say Johnny got Judy pregnant..."
[07:39] <Razor-X> setite: and those who don't learn those pieces of knowledge eventually have those same bits bite them in the ass
[07:39] <setite> because you think me lazy, but i think your wasting time..
[07:40] <regeya_> and Johnny and Judy were people in the study group...you get the picture.
[07:40] <mike> anyone here use fwbuilder?
[07:40] <Razor-X> I'm lazy, lazier than most
[07:40] <setite> yes im sure not knowing how to use latex will bite me in the ass
[07:40] <Razor-X> but, I like knowing everything about what I use
[07:40] <DaSkreech> jeran_: WineX was renamed Cedega
[07:40] <setite> your how old
[07:40] <La_PaRCa> wow
[07:40] <Razor-X> 15 man, 15
[07:40] <La_PaRCa> xfce is wicked fast
[07:40] <razerslut> hi im having trouble playing shoutcast inside gnome, can someone help me?
[07:40] <Razor-X> my personal philosophy is that, from whta I use, I try and learn almost everything
[07:40] <biscuit_> How do you set so that Wine reads from the Windows XP folder (if its installed) or replace the fake one it makes
[07:40] <setite> thats like trying to learn how to make condoms so you can have sex
[07:40] <BlazingSteakSauc> xfce is in the ubuntu cd isn't it
[07:41] <IIIEars> Does wine work with files from  xp?
[07:41] <Razor-X> setite: anything wrong with that?
[07:41] <biscuit_> IIIEars: For me, no
[07:41] <Razor-X> oh -- I forgot
[07:41] <Harold> La_PaRCa, It's fast, isn't it?
[07:41] <regeya_> setite: I agree, but I use quarkxpress for a living and I think that's about as low-level as one needs to be for typesetting.  but bear in mind setite that latex was designed for terminal/text editor use and that it's designed to make most manual typesetting such as footnotes, TOCs, etc. easy.
[07:41] <biscuit_> Though im trying to work on it so it will
[07:41] <BlazingSteakSauc> IIIEars i found some files will
[07:41] <Razor-X> America has made it a status symbol that increases the more you don't know
[07:41] <biscuit_> Yes
[07:41] <biscuit_> Some will
[07:41] <La_PaRCa> Harold, it is, it is
[07:41] <setite> yes... when a girl sees you trying to make condoms... shell run off with the guy who has a few ready-made ones in his waller
[07:41] <setite> wallet*
[07:41] <IIIEars> biscuit - that helps - thanks
[07:41] <k-0tik> has anyone here  used fwbuilder?
[07:41] <BlazingSteakSauc> doom3 ain't one of em
[07:41] <Razor-X> the more idiotic you are the ``cooler'' you are
[07:41] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:41] <Harold> Anyone: Know how to get a pcmcia usb 2.0 card recognized/working?
[07:41] <Razor-X> setite: I don't care about sex, you know?
[07:41] <Razor-X> *gasp*
[07:41] <biscuit_> Halo isn't one of them either, or Dreamweaver, or Flash MX
[07:42] <biscuit_> Or Juno
[07:42] <setite> kids these days... next subject
[07:42] <biscuit_> *trying to think what else he tried
[07:42] <IIIEars> ebaying an old '98 disk sounds like whats needed
[07:42] <biscuit_> Or the AIM INSTALLER!
[07:42] <regeya_> Razor-X, could you mention this to any GNOME devs you may know?  This business of dumbing down the desktop...
[07:42] <Razor-X> setite: yeah, I guess we just aren't like our animal brethren anymore
[07:42] <BlazingSteakSauc> aim is gay
[07:42] <setite> cedega has a stupid website
[07:42] <BlazingSteakSauc> i use trillian
[07:42] <biscuit_> I use Gaim
[07:42] <biscuit_> But i go bored
[07:42] <regeya_> aim is...gay?
[07:42] <Razor-X> regeya_: there's a reason I don't use Gnome
[07:42] <biscuit_> got*
[07:42] <setite> haha... so all people who have sex are animals?
[07:42] <setite> then so be it
[07:42] <BlazingSteakSauc> yes aim is gay
[07:42] <Razor-X> setite: I never said that
[07:43] <BlazingSteakSauc> trillian is better
[07:43] <sproingie> aim is happy, or homosexual?  i'm not sure how this has a bearing on how it works
[07:43] <k-0tik> people are animals
[07:43] <setite> then what is your point
[07:43] <Harold> Hello everyone.  How do I get my pc card to work on Ubuntu?  It's a USB 2.0 hub.
[07:43] <Razor-X> I just say that we're getting farther away from the animals
[07:43] <BlazingSteakSauc> homo kind
[07:43] <k-0tik> people are animals, the earth is round gaim is not gay
[07:43] <regeya_> so aim wears brightly colored shirts and has anal sex?
[07:43] <Razor-X> ;)
[07:43] <k-0tik> there said and done
[07:43] <sproingie> BlazingSteakSauc: what are you, like 9 years old?
[07:43] <setite> i though gaim was gay
[07:43] <Razor-X> k-0tik: pwnage ;)
[07:43] <setite> GayAIM
[07:43] <BlazingSteakSauc> no
[07:43] <setite> right?
[07:43] <razerslut> hi im having trouble playing shoutcast inside gnome, can someone help me?
[07:43] <BlazingSteakSauc> trillian is a far supirior program
[07:43] <k-0tik> w0w0
[07:43] <biscuit_> Hmmm
[07:44] <setite> trillian rocks now that it finally transfers files on aim
[07:44] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:44] <razerslut> hi im having trouble playing shoutcast inside gnome, can someone help me?
[07:44] <biscuit_> Finally!! Woot *Sarcasm
[07:44] <setite> supirior?
[07:44] <setite> wow
[07:44] <Madpilot> hi again all... you know there is #ubuntu-offtopic on which to discuss the sexual preferences of your favourite programs... ;)
[07:44] <BlazingSteakSauc> i know my spelling is not good
[07:44] <setite> hey slut... dont spam... we heard you the first time
[07:44] <Harold> Anyone: Do I need to install more drivers to get a USB 2.0 pc card to work in Ubuntu?
[07:44] <IIIEars> razerslut -adding the python extension for your music player may help on a fresh install
[07:44] <razerslut> iiiears: how will i do that?
[07:44] <regeya_> heh Madpilot
[07:45] <BlazingSteakSauc> unless im doing something for a class i don't care if it is right as long as the point gets across
[07:45] <jasoncohen> that's strange. when i install libapache-mod-php4 on ubuntu php4.load and php4.conf are not added to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled as they are in debian
[07:45] <jasoncohen> any reason why
[07:45] <jasoncohen> this would explain why it doesn't know what to do with php files
[07:45] <IIIEars> synaptic search your music player name and add the musicplayer-py
[07:45] <setite> ubuntu hoary did 2 things to make my life easier... it figured out how to make my resolution work... and music works too without extra downloads
[07:46] <razerslut> iiiears: what is synaptic search, i dont know
[07:46] <setite> now i just need to get all my mouse keys mapped... and find some better repos
[07:46] <regeya_> I used to love LyX, used it for some papers in college, and I recently realized that modern wordprocessors tend to have most the whizbang features that used to be unique to latex/lyx built in now...then again, I don't write papers these days, and rarely need to use a WP...meh...I'm done.
[07:46] <setite> and i need to get some equalizer presets.. ebcause this sounds horrible
[07:46] <biscuit_> *I need a life...
[07:47] <IIIEars> yes sysnaptic 16,000 apps available for ubuntu just bring it up. - grin
[07:47] <BlazingSteakSauc> so Cedega works with guildwars
[07:47] <razerslut> what is the best mediaplayer for ubuntu linux?
[07:47] <razerslut> iiiears: awesome, thank you.
[07:47] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:47] <Flying-Penguin> I just switched from a 9800 to a nvidia 6600 and now my cedega games don't work :( can anyone tell me how to make sure all parts of my drivers are working properly?
[07:47] <biscuit_> In theory
[07:47] <biscuit_> WINE could work with WinGames
[07:47] <rob^> razerslut, totem-xine
[07:47] <biscuit_> BlazingSteakSauc: You have GW?
[07:47] <BlazingSteakSauc> yup
[07:47] <biscuit_> Awesome
[07:47] <biscuit_> That game rulez
[07:48] <BlazingSteakSauc> yeah
[07:48] <BlazingSteakSauc> i can't find a good team for my mage to do the asencion trials though
[07:48] <biscuit_> Hmm
[07:48] <biscuit_> Im at the Aurora Glade.. not that far yet
[07:48] <razerslut> rob: even for music?
[07:48] <biscuit_> Ima mage too.. it can be tough
[07:49] <biscuit_> Try to get a lot of monks and tanks
[07:49] <k-0tik> nobody here uses fwbuilder!@
[07:49] <k-0tik> ?
[07:49] <BlazingSteakSauc> my war is past there
[07:49] <BlazingSteakSauc> biscuit_ im a e/mo in gw
[07:49] <biscuit_> E/R
[07:49] <biscuit_> In GW
[07:49] <BlazingSteakSauc> and a w/e
[07:49] <IIIEars> monks and tanks sounds like a 20th century crusade.
[07:49] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:50] <setite> blazing do you have cedega
[07:50] <BlazingSteakSauc> w/mo is a stupid combo
[07:50] <BlazingSteakSauc> no
[07:50] <sproingie> i'm picturing a guy in a brown robe poking his head out of a m1a1
[07:50] <biscuit_> Cedega....
[07:50] <IIIEars> rofl
[07:50] <setite> im pissed... i renewed my subscription and half the site says im subscribed.. the other half says i need to subscribe
[07:50] <setite> so i cant download
[07:50] <rob^> !cedega
[07:50] <ubotu> cedega is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega
[07:50] <biscuit_> Why waste money on it
[07:51] <setite> its 5$ a month...
[07:51] <setite> i can spart that
[07:51] <biscuit_> Yea
[07:51] <biscuit_> But
[07:51] <IIIEars> does cedega work with files from XP?
[07:51] <setite> no buts
[07:51] <biscuit_> Thats $60 less you had
[07:51] <sproingie> "brother jerome, enemy sighted, load ordnance and position for fire"
[07:51] <biscuit_> And when in theory you good run those games from WINE
[07:51] <biscuit_> But it would take some work
[07:51] <BlazingSteakSauc> biscuit_ what version of gw did you getr
[07:51] <setite> i waste alot of money
[07:51] <IIIEars> Amen! - praise the lord and pass the ammunition...
[07:51] <biscuit_> Version?
[07:51] <setite> plus i liek to support the cedega team
[07:51] <biscuit_> Isn't there only one?
[07:51] <Agrajag> "brother mhenlo, call in air support!"
[07:52] <BlazingSteakSauc> no
[07:52] <setite> thats what my measley sacrifice
[07:52] <BlazingSteakSauc> the collector has some added stuff
[07:52] <setite> haha i like mhenlo
[07:52] <biscuit_> Like Standard and Collectory
[07:52] <biscuit_> Oh
[07:52] <biscuit_> I have Standard
[07:52] <setite> i havent played taht game in a bit
[07:52] <BlazingSteakSauc> all my chars have a glow of the hands
[07:52] <sproingie> i think in the OGRE universe, the vatican has their own ogres
[07:52] <sproingie> painted in the swiss guard colors
[07:52] <IIIEars> What is "GW"?
[07:52] <biscuit_> Wicked
[07:53] <BlazingSteakSauc> Guild Wars
[07:53] <IIIEars> Ah - thanks
[07:53] <IIIEars> better than everquest?
[07:53] <BlazingSteakSauc> right now i wish i had yahoo dsl
[07:53] <setite> i love linux but i wish it didnt appear to be the poor mans OS
[07:53] <BlazingSteakSauc> you mean evercrack don't you
[07:53] <sproingie> IIIEars: depends on what you like about mmorpg's
[07:53] <IIIEars> (haven't tried any mmorpg's)
[07:54] <BlazingSteakSauc> gw makers claim it to be a corpg
[07:54] <setite> guildwars is the best ive played of the whole medieval thing
[07:54] <setite> CoH is my fave though
[07:54] <BlazingSteakSauc> lame name change for the class
[07:55] <sproingie> IIIEars: me neither.  tho GW is more like an online game like diablo than a MMORPG.  instanced, not shared with everyone
[07:55] <setite> the realms are instanced... but its still an mmo i think
[07:55] <setite> whats the c stand for
[07:55] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:55] <biscuit_> Well
[07:55] <biscuit_> Blazing
[07:55] <biscuit_> It is a CoRPG
[07:55] <Agrajag> cooperative
[07:55] <biscuit_> Hey brb
[07:55] <sproingie> IIIEars: the other non-mmorpg like thing about it being that online is free.  you just buy the game
[07:55] <BlazingSteakSauc> coop rpg is the so calle dname
[07:55] <setite> oh... i see the distinction
[07:55] <setite> yea i can half agree with that
[07:56] <BlazingSteakSauc> i don't
[07:56] <BlazingSteakSauc> you got henchmen you can hire so how can it be a corpg
[07:56] <BlazingSteakSauc> co needs players and it is not set were you must use players
[07:56] <setite> god so picky
[07:57] <jasoncohen> for some reason in debian, when libapache-mod-php4 is added, php4.load and php4.conf are added to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled. the same isnt done in ubuntu so it doesn't know what to do with php files
[07:57] <BlazingSteakSauc> its the reality of it
[07:57] <IIIEars> just took a peek - subscription sites may be okay for some. - i change games a lot. (FPS Fanatic)
[07:57] <jasoncohen> which is pretty dumb. if you're installing libapache-mod-php4 it serves to reason you want php support, heh
[07:58] <IIIEars> GW - may be a good start at mmorpg
[07:59] <BlazingSteakSauc> i still prefer NWN over GW for game play
[07:59] <BlazingSteakSauc> very open in what you can do it has a moduale creator with it for custome games
[07:59] <daniels> i think discussions of various games are offtopic here
[07:59] <daniels> can you please move them to #ubuntu-offtopic or somewhere else?
[08:00] <Whistler> how to i start ssh server on my system?
[08:00] <BlazingSteakSauc> why no one is asking an ubuntu question really
[08:00] <setite> whoever posted the ubuntu cedega cvs link thanks
[08:00] <biscuit_> Grrrr
[08:00] <daniels> Whistler: install openssh-server
[08:00] <BlazingSteakSauc> lol
[08:00] <biscuit_> *Is now convinced investing in a external modem is the best thing to do
[08:00] <daniels> BlazingSteakSauc: huge discussions of games discourage on-topic conversation
[08:01] <setite> shit the instlaler errored
[08:01] <setite> grr
[08:01] <IIIEars> just have to try it  guess. - look for me next week iiiears-something-or-other
[08:01] <biscuit_> Darn Linuxant
[08:01] <setite> --------- Error log - file /home/setite/.WineCVS/sources/cvscedega/ErrorLog : ---------
[08:01] <setite> /home/setite/.WineCVS/Functions/RunWineCVS: line 728: cvs: command not found
[08:01] <BlazingSteakSauc> if none asking a question we might as well talk on something
[08:01] <razerslut> how difficult is it to change folder icons under gnome?
[08:01] <setite> Error in CVS checkout
[08:01] <setite> Try fixing the error based on the output above, and
[08:01] <setite> run the script again, without paramaters (Eg: WineCVS.sh)
[08:01] <La_PaRCa> setite, apt-get install cvs
[08:01] <BlazingSteakSauc> now peeps start to ask again
[08:02] <biscuit_> Lol
[08:02] <setite> thanks la parca
[08:02] <razerslut> how difficult is it to change folder icons under gnome?
[08:02] <biscuit_> How do i get WINE to read from another Windows foler (Like the Windows XP that i copied onto linux)?
[08:02] <IIIEars> razerslut - not too difficult - a few choices included in ubuntu already. there are others and tips about installing on gnomelook.org
[08:02] <razerslut> alright thank you
[08:02] <razerslut> this really is a good support channel, you guys have helped me with everything i needed.
[08:02] <razerslut> good job.
[08:03] <dabaR> thanksa
[08:03] <setite> shit i dont have a c compiler
[08:03] <dabaR> it sucks as a channel, but ok.
[08:03] <setite> thats screwy
[08:03] <IIIEars> Welcome to Ubuntu! ("Windows users" "linux community")
[08:03] <dabaR> setite install it/.
[08:03] <biscuit_> Anyone have any suggestions on my prob?
[08:03] <setite> yea i know
[08:03] <dabaR> haha
[08:03] <setite> apt-get install gcc
[08:03] <setite> is that sufficient?
[08:03] <dabaR> I dont haev any
[08:04] <dabaR> !info build-essential
[08:04] <ubotu> build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 10.1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[08:04] <supernix> Hi can someone tell me why Kubuntu erased my change in the dns server section of the network section ? I added localhost but it got erased somehow and I am using dhcp to connect to the net with my cable modem
[08:04] <HrdwrBoB> dhcp automatically updates your DNS
[08:04] <dabaR> setite: grab that
[08:04] <supernix> hmmm HrdwrBoB so it will always erase my changes then correct ?
[08:05] <setite> jesus so many erros
[08:05] <setite> i guess i should have got all the apps it said i would need
[08:05] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[08:05] <setite> i thought i did
[08:05] <HrdwrBoB> you can do it manually though
[08:05] <dabaR> with apt? for build essential, or for teh compilation?
[08:05] <IIIEars> DHCP is a nice convenience. - is it a security risk?
[08:05] <setite> ok i have to do this
[08:05] <setite> apt-get install cvs build-essential bison flex-old libasound2-dev x-window-system-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg62-dev libfreetype6-dev libxrender-dev libttf2 libttf-dev libsdl1.2-dev libsdl-ttf2.0-dev libsdl-net1.2-dev libsdl-gfx1.2-dev msttcorefonts libfontconfig1-dev
[08:05] <setite> but i get an error
[08:05] <supernix> HrdwrBoB: how can I make the addition of localhost permanent in the dns selection ?
[08:05] <setite> E: Couldn't find package libsdl-ttf2.0-dev
[08:06] <setite> so i need a better repo?
[08:06] <HrdwrBoB> supernix: to be honest, I'm not sure
[08:06] <supernix> ok thanks for your assistance HrdwrBoB
[08:07] <setite> anyone knwo where i can find that
[08:07] <dabaR> setite: add universe
[08:07] <setite> libsdl-ttf2.0-dev
[08:07] <setite> ok
[08:07] <dabaR> !repositories
[08:07] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:07] <setite> god i feel so stupid... i learned all this on warty and forgot
[08:08] <dabaR> its same
[08:08] <dabaR> why gettinng all that?
[08:09] <BlazingSteakSauc> im gonna go try to get this working
[08:09] <setite> thanks ubotu.. i know how to add repos.. i just forgot that there were extras on the current one
[08:09] <setite> perfect.. the universe did the trick
[08:09] <setite> god i love this room
[08:10] <thechitowncubs> setite: good
[08:10] <setite> i also love ubuntu
[08:10] <mathwizxp> hey. that's my song
[08:10] <thechitowncubs> setite: don't get too excited
[08:10] <setite> man i wouldnt have touched windows since 95 had i known about his when i tried redhat so many years ago
[08:10] <setite> i wont get too excited
[08:10] <dabaR> ok
[08:11] <La_PaRCa> setite, um, ubotu is a bot by the way
[08:11] <setite> but every single breakthrough.. no matter how small is still somethign
[08:11] <setite> ok...
[08:11] <kertrats> I have a question
[08:11] <dabaR> no
[08:11] <setite> oh thats what all the ! were for
[08:11] <setite> !ubuntu
[08:11] <ubotu> from memory, ubuntu is an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'.
[08:11] <kertrats> when I was running windows, my computer shut down automatically if it got too hot
[08:11] <setite> haha nice answer
[08:11] <setite> !woman
[08:11] <ubotu> setite: I haven't a clue
[08:11] <setite> haha!
[08:11] <setite> nice
[08:11] <setite> !ubotu
[08:11] <ubotu> hmm... ubotu is uh... Thaaat's me! I'm a bot. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu!
[08:11] <kertrats> will it still do that on ubntu?
[08:12] <setite> kertrats i think so.. thats a bios setting is it not
[08:12] <IIIEars> Ubotu you are a genius! - sly grin
[08:12] <ubotu> IIIEars: what are you talking about?
[08:12] <setite> on my overclocking mobo it is
[08:12] <kertrats> I thought so, but I figured I would check
[08:12] <La_PaRCa> !ubotu woman is a thing men tend to not understand
[08:12] <ubotu> La_PaRCa: okay
[08:12] <razerslut> can someone walk me through changing my logins and slash screens in gnome, or point me to a howto for it?
[08:12] <setite> ubotu i love you
[08:12] <Madpilot> !good bot
[08:12] <ubotu> No idea, setite
[08:12] <ubotu> thanks madpilot :)
[08:12] <kertrats> because I don't want to break the computer :(
[08:12] <La_PaRCa> !woman
[08:12] <ubotu> I guess woman is a thing men tend to not understand
[08:12] <La_PaRCa> perfect!
[08:13] <Computer__Guru> you should probably forget that
[08:13] <thechitowncubs> !woman
[08:13] <setite> yea well because pcs cost money i cant guarantee
[08:13] <setite> but from my overclocking knowledge its a hardware setting that monitors temps
[08:13] <thechitowncubs> !amarok
[08:13] <ubotu> [amarok]  a music player for Linux and Unix with an intuitive interface. amaroK makes playing the music you love easier than ever before - and looks good doing it. See http://amarok.kde.org ; amaroK's features: http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/51/1/
[08:13] <thechitowncubs> wow
[08:13] <jblu> bob2 are you on?
[08:13] <Computer__Guru> you'll get yelled at for putting in stuff like that
[08:13] <setite> you can customize in windows to a even safer temp.. but at a certain temp your motherboard will force your pc to shut down
[08:13] <razerslut> can someone walk me through changing my logins and slash screens in gnome, or point me to a howto for it?
[08:13] <La_PaRCa> Computer__Guru, who is ever gonna ask that tho?
[08:13] <Madpilot> you can also talk to the bot privately - just "/msg ubotu <foo>"
[08:13] <thechitowncubs> !audioscrobbler
[08:13] <ubotu> thechitowncubs: Wish i knew
[08:14] <Madpilot> La_PaRCa: the ! things are all listed
[08:14] <aru> is there a way to make ubuntu autologin to a certian user?
[08:14] <Madpilot> http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:14] <setite> no!!!!
[08:14] <setite> it still errored after all that
[08:14] <setite> ::tear::
[08:14] <dabaR> razerslut: well, art.gnome.org has faqs for that stuff, but, dont post twice, also, and loginscrenn is changed in the system menu
[08:14] <setite> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/setite/.WineCVS/sources/cvscedega/winex/unicode'
[08:14] <setite> make: *** [unicode/libwine_unicode.so]  Error 2
[08:14] <setite> Error in Make
[08:14] <thechitowncubs> !audioscrobbler is a music service that builds a profile of your musical taste using a plugin for your media player
[08:14] <ubotu> okay, thechitowncubs
[08:14] <thechitowncubs> !audioscrobbler
[08:14] <ubotu> well, audioscrobbler is a music service that builds a profile of your musical taste using a plugin for your media player
[08:15] <thechitowncubs> good job
[08:15] <La_PaRCa> Madpilot, thats a biiiigggg list
[08:15] <jcapote> last question before I install, how long does the average ubuntu install take?
[08:15] <setite> fast
[08:15] <Burgundavia> 45 minutes
[08:15] <La_PaRCa> jcapote, 20 to 40 mins
[08:15] <dabaR> half hour. depends on cd reading speed, too.
[08:15] <Madpilot> La_PaRCa: the most recent stuff is on top of the first page, and it's searchable
[08:15] <jcapote> 1.6ghz pentium m, 512 ram
[08:15] <thechitowncubs> jcapote: what kind of processer?
[08:15] <setite> took me around 15 mins
[08:15] <setite> but i have a fast pc though
[08:15] <thechitowncubs> jcapote: i'd give it 20min
[08:15] <jcapote> ok
[08:15] <jcapote> ill time it
[08:15] <aru> jcapote: I can smoke two cigarettes during the install on my 1GHz amd laptop
[08:15] <aru> that help?
[08:15] <thechitowncubs> jcapote: i'd like to know the results
[08:16] <Madpilot> La_PaRCa:  oddball stuff is sometimes cleaned off the bot's list
[08:16] <setite> anyoen knwo what that libwine error is
[08:16] <setite> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/setite/.WineCVS/sources/cvscedega/winex/unicode'
[08:16] <setite> make: *** [unicode/libwine_unicode.so]  Error 2
[08:16] <setite> Error in Make
[08:16] <jasoncohen> does anyone else notice that after libapache-mod-php4 is installed, php doesn't work? i tried the simple example on http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installphpapache and it just tried to open testphp.php in gedit
[08:16] <aru> I dunno, paste it a few more times...
[08:16] <thechitowncubs> please don't paste code in here setite
[08:16] <thechitowncubs> use http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:16] <setite> ../include/winbase.h:1499: error: syntax error before '*' token
[08:16] <setite> thats just one line
[08:17] <setite> i wont post multi lines
[08:17] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, its libapache2-mod-php4
[08:17] <jblu> question please
[08:17] <thechitowncubs> !abiword
[08:17] <ubotu> thechitowncubs: No idea
[08:17] <jasoncohen> La_PaRCa, oh, heh
[08:17] <dabaR> jblu: no.
[08:17] <jblu> does someone know if laserjet 1022 has a driver
[08:17] <La_PaRCa> jblu, here you go, this one is for you. ?
[08:18] <jblu> yes
[08:18] <jasoncohen> La_PaRCa, that worked, thanks
[08:18] <La_PaRCa> !linuxprinting
[08:18] <ubotu> La_PaRCa: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:18] <thechitowncubs> !abiword is a Gnome/GTK based word processor for more information goto: http://www.abisource.com/information/about/
[08:18] <ubotu> thechitowncubs: okay
[08:18] <jblu> just bought it today
[08:18] <jasoncohen> La_PaRCa, ubuntuguide just says to install php4 which depends on libapache-mod-php4
[08:18] <La_PaRCa> ubotu linuxprinting is http://www.linuxprinting.org
[08:18] <ubotu> La_PaRCa: okay
[08:18] <thechitowncubs> !abiword
[08:18] <ubotu> methinks abiword is a Gnome/GTK based word processor for more information goto: http://www.abisource.com/information/about/
[08:19] <La_PaRCa> jblu, check linuxprinting.org
[08:19] <jblu> yes, found some nasty remarks from others, and some tries at hacking, nothing recent
[08:19] <setite> !woman is a complex, evil, seductive creature
[08:19] <ubotu> ...but woman is already something else...
[08:19] <setite> !woman
[08:19] <ubotu> hmm... woman is a thing men tend to not understand
[08:19] <setite> oh someone beat me to that
[08:20] <setite> but i tried that like 5 mins ago
[08:20] <jblu> I think I should return it!
[08:20] <setite> !knob
[08:20] <ubotu> setite: I don't know
[08:20] <setite> !windows
[08:20] <ubotu> rumour has it, windows is Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[08:20] <bob2> jblu: ?
[08:20] <jblu> yes
[08:20] <Computer__Guru> you guys should stop putting stuff int he bot.. ur gonna get yelled at
[08:20] <dabaR> please message the bot
[08:20] <dabaR> if you wanna talk to him
[08:20] <setite> !bill gates
[08:20] <ubotu> setite: I give up, what is it?
[08:20] <setite> !billgates
[08:20] <ubotu> Wish i knew, setite
[08:21] <setite> !devil
[08:21] <ubotu> setite: Wish i knew
[08:21] <La_PaRCa> jblu, should be detected automatically by cups methinks.
[08:21] <Burgundavia> setite, please stop filling the bot with useless information and flooding the channel
[08:21] <jblu> I just bought a laserjet 1022 today, can't find a driver,
[08:21] <thechitowncubs> setite: what are you doing?
[08:21] <setite> i fed him one thing
[08:21] <setite> i was seeing what the bot knew about windows
[08:21] <jblu> It stops at laserjet 1015
[08:21] <setite> i was dissappointed with the bill gates answer i must say
[08:21] <La_PaRCa> setite, you can do all that via private message
[08:21] <dabaR>  /msg ubotu bill gates
[08:21] <Madpilot> setite: "/msg ubotu <foo>" for a non-flooding chat
[08:21] <jcapote> ok guys im off to install ubuntu
[08:22] <dabaR> see ya
[08:22] <dabaR> soon when you need help
[08:22] <IIIEars> thechitowncubs - music for IRC xmms to X-Chat 1.0a (Not for #Ubuntu of course)
[08:22] <thechitowncubs> good job on the google
[08:22] <La_PaRCa> jblu, have you tried with any of the other laserjets drivers?
[08:22] <Computer__Guru> setite: not everybody int he open source community views microsoft as 'the enemy' or something evil and bent on worldwide domination.. we just don't see their products as worthy of the purchase price
[08:23] <Ali`G> hey all
[08:23] <Ali`G>   Tcl cannot be found on this system.
[08:23] <Ali`G>   Eggdrop requires Tcl to compile. If you already have Tcl installed on
[08:23] <Ali`G>   this system, and I just wasn't looking in the right place for it, re-run
[08:23] <_ryan> if anyone could advice me on this seemingly simple error (on my part), it would be much appreciated. I uploaded the text to a webpage so I don't clutter the channel: http://www.freewebs.com/ryanazar/please_help.html
[08:23] <Ali`G>   ./configure using the --with-tcllib='/path/to/libtcl.so' and
[08:23] <Ali`G>   --with-tclinc='/path/to/tcl.h' options.
[08:23] <Ali`G>   See doc/COMPILE-GUIDE's 'Tcl Detection and Installation' section for more
[08:23] <Ali`G>   information.
[08:23] <Ali`G> where do i get it from
[08:23] <jblu> It doesn't see the usb, I read something about it being funky code involving usb
[08:23] <aru> I hate you
[08:23] <jblu> for this model
[08:23] <proof_of_death> me too
[08:23] <dataangel> I'm trying to build an X11 app and I'm getting this error: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11" But I have libx11-dev and x-dev installed. What am I missing?
[08:24] <La_PaRCa> jblu, sorry, I dont know about this specific model.
[08:24] <proof_of_death> is this what people do on the ubuntu server? just sit here and spam with their problems?
[08:24] <jblu> but it's over my head!  I think it's going back
[08:24] <_ryan> proof_of_death: isn't that what it is for?
[08:24] <Agrajag> this isn't an ubuntu server
[08:24] <La_PaRCa> Ali`G, apt-get install tcl
[08:24] <liraz> I'm having some trouble with booting into windows. There is no option in the grub menu... so basically what I'm wondering is how do I tell the number of a hardrive. I have /dev/sda and /dev/sdb(both big sata drives). windows is installed on /dev/sdb(first partition). I'm guessing that it would be root(hd,1,0) but I honestly am not sure :/
[08:24] <Agrajag> this is a channel on freenode, which probably runs on several OSes
[08:24] <jblu> thnx La_paRCa
[08:24] <_ryan> if anyone can suggest a place for me to go to get help, i would be happy to go elsewhere.
[08:24] <Burgundavia> Agrajag, yes it is
[08:25] <Agrajag> Burgundavia: every node on freenode runs ubuntu?
[08:25] <proof_of_death> *checks url* oh. well then. i just clicked "ubuntu servers" in x-chat. i didn't bother to look at the address :-X
[08:25] <Burgundavia> Agrajag, no
[08:25] <jblu> u2 bob2
[08:25] <Burgundavia> Agrajag, that link in xchat just goes here, to make it easy for new people
[08:25] <_ryan> i do not want to disturb others, i just need help for my question :X
[08:25] <Agrajag> ahahahaha wow
[08:25] <Agrajag> I never knew they had that, I already had a .xchat
[08:26] <_ryan> i am guessing this isn't the place to get help, I appologize.
[08:26] <_ryan> talk to yall later
[08:26] <Agrajag> yeah it is
[08:26] <_ryan> it is? :X
[08:26] <Agrajag> who said it wasn't?
[08:26] <La_PaRCa> _ryan, what is your question?
[08:27] <proof_of_death> yes. i was just unaware. consider me enlightened
[08:27] <dataangel> liraz: I think you want root(hd1,0)
[08:27] <dataangel> liraz: No harm in trying it I think, don't think trying to boot off something nonbootable will mess up anything.
[08:27] <La_PaRCa> this is the ubuntu support channel after all
[08:27] <dataangel> liraz: Notice there's only 1 comma, too
[08:27] <liraz> dataangel, right. Just wondering though how the numbering works - fdisk -l wont give me numbers etc
[08:27] <liraz> yep ;)
[08:27] <_ryan> La_PaRCa: I am trying to compile a simple program and gcc is giving me a few errors, i set up a small log showing what gcc spit out and what command i used here: http://www.freewebs.com/ryanazar/please_help.html
[08:28] <setite> whats that ubuntu pastebin again
[08:28] <La_PaRCa> _ryan, ok. That is helpful.
[08:28] <_ryan> La_PaRCa: thanks for taking the time ( :
[08:28] <dataangel> liraz: Grub is funky because it uses it's own numbering scheme I'm pretty sure hdX corresponds to drive number X. So /dev/sdb would be your second drive, which in 0 based counting makes it hd1, and first partition is partition 0, so that seems right.
[08:28] <pax> liraz: for numbers, run the command grub and use tabbing
[08:29] <proof_of_death> i don't believe includes are supposed to have those () around them
[08:29] <proof_of_death> i write C++, and i've never seen that. at most ""
[08:29] <_ryan> proof_of_death: this i am aware, if i used normal braces it would comment them out in the html
[08:29] <dataangel> La_Parca: Next time use www.rafb.net/paste It's setup exactly for that purpose, save yourself some time :)
[08:30] <_ryan> dataangel: thanks for the link :D
[08:30] <dataangel> La_Parca: Do you have libx11-dev installed?
[08:30] <jblu> what is the correct # setting for files in ~home?  My copied music and docs all have locks and sudo chown doesn't change it.
[08:30] <liraz> dataangel, ok. let me try re-work my grub.conf then
[08:30] <liraz> just moved from fedora
[08:30] <dataangel> La_Parca: It'll also let you keep the <> ;) But for future reference you can use those in HTML, just put &lt; &gt; (lt for less than, gt for greater than) Not too bad if you use find replace
[08:30] <jblu> I have to change one by one
[08:31] <_ryan> dataangle: the question is not la parca's, it is mine
[08:31] <dataangel> _ryan: Doh, read you addressing him :P
[08:31] <_ryan> dataangle: but tahnks for the tips :-D
[08:31] <dataangel> ;)
[08:31] <dataangel> liraz: If you still have a grub.conf from fedora, you can use that as a reference
[08:32] <La_PaRCa> _ryan haha... libx11-dev is the way to go
[08:32] <La_PaRCa> dataangel, thanks
[08:32] <Razor-X> back
[08:32] <_ryan> La_PaRCa: but i have the header files in the folder, is that not correct?
[08:32] <dataangel> liraz: I find it useful when I'm trying different distributions if I find one that 'just works' when I install to backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /boot/grub/grub.conf and any other settings files that maybe tricky.
[08:33] <razerslut> can someone tell me how to install a gtk theme?
[08:34] <_ryan> La_PaRCa: in addition, i just checked synaptic and it says libx11-dev is installed.
[08:34] <holycow> download one from art.gnome.org
[08:34] <holycow> then
[08:34] <holycow> open up the theme dialog, and select install
[08:34] <liraz> dataangel, long story short - I reformatted, tried to reinstall fedora with faulty .iso. Dont want to re-download so I'm using ubuntu ;)
[08:34] <setite> http://www.freewebs.com/maddmarshall/cedegacvs.html
[08:34] <liraz> I was silly not to back up my good configs
[08:35] <IIIEars> "Themes" app in ubuntu allows some themes to be added by dragging and dropping them. - nice
[08:35] <nomasteryoda> liraz, but now you have fun Ubuntu
[08:35] <nomasteryoda> =)
[08:35] <La_PaRCa> _ryan, however, you are calling X11/Xlib.h
[08:35] <La_PaRCa> _ryan, and the header file is in the same folder as what you are compiling
[08:35] <razerslut> iiiears: dragging from where to where?
[08:35] <razerslut> whenever i try to use the theme dialouge i get invalid file format
[08:36] <Razor-X> nomasteryoda: is there a reason you prepended a ``no'' before ``masteryoda''?
[08:36] <Razor-X> like, are you Sidious? ;)
[08:36] <_ryan> La_PaRCa: they are copies. i put them in there because i kept getting that error when i tried to build. the real files are in /usr/X11R6/include/X11/
[08:37] <IIIEars> razerslut  preferences > Theme > Theme Details
[08:37] <nomasteryoda> Razor-X, lol... nah, just when Luke said, "I can't lift the X-wing"... no, master yoda
[08:37] <Razor-X> nomasteryoda: ohhh, ;)
[08:37] <Razor-X> I rewatched the OT again
[08:37] <nomasteryoda> ty
[08:37] <La_PaRCa> _ryan, I am not sure then. You'll have to ask someone that knows a little more about c
[08:37] <dataangel> Anyone know why ld can't find -lX11 even though I have the x11-dev package installed?
[08:37] <La_PaRCa> _ryan, and ubuntu and X programming
[08:37] <Razor-X> it's nowhere near as good as PT, IMO, but hell, I grew up in the PT Generation
[08:37] <_ryan> La_PaRCa: thankyou for you're time :-D
[08:38] <nomasteryoda> dataangel, did you do ldconfig
[08:38] <Razor-X> dataangel: I think you need the X.org ones too
[08:38] <Razor-X> I have the X dev libraries, just don't remember what the package name was
[08:39] <La_PaRCa> ubotu tell me about cedega
[08:39] <Razor-X> anyone here listen to podcasts?
[08:39] <dataangel> Razor-X: apt-cache search xorg doesn't bring up any xorg-dev packages. I just did sudo ldconfig, didn't seem to help. Hrm... maybe I have to start a new shell...
[08:39] <Razor-X> !cedega
[08:39] <ubotu> I heard cedega is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega
[08:39] <ws008> hai
[08:40] <doctor_salvia> wow guys tonight is nice... kicken back after my days work and smoking my ever so great concoction of pipe tobacco and salvia.
[08:40] <doctor_salvia> indeed its great
[08:40] <thechitowncubs> lol
[08:40] <doctor_salvia> u ever tried salvia?
[08:40] <doctor_salvia> its legal
[08:40] <thechitowncubs> I've heard of it
[08:40] <Razor-X> .....
[08:40] <thechitowncubs> is it powerful?
[08:40] <doctor_salvia> depends
[08:41] <doctor_salvia> theres the leaves then theres extracts
[08:41] <Razor-X> hahaha, people care more about euphoria than legality anyways
[08:41] <Razor-X> that much i've observed ;)
[08:41] <doctor_salvia> indeed
[08:41] <doctor_salvia> lol
[08:41] <doctor_salvia> i smoked a bowl of salvia 20x (20 times the power of the leaves) and forgot who i was
[08:41] <thechitowncubs> weed > salvia or salvia > weed?
[08:41] <doctor_salvia> it adds a nice but odd touch if its been aged i na jar and gotten slightly moldy
[08:42] <doctor_salvia> salvia is about as good as weed
[08:42] <thechitowncubs> thats interesting
[08:42] <doctor_salvia> doesnt last as long
[08:42] <zophyx> what's the best text editor to use for programming ?
[08:42] <doctor_salvia> mix em ;)
[08:42] <thechitowncubs> vim
[08:42] <setite> what does ubuntu use
[08:42] <setite> xorg or the other
[08:42] <thechitowncubs> xorg
[08:42] <setite> i forget which is the older one
[08:42] <setite> ok
[08:42] <thechitowncubs> xfree is the other
[08:42] <dataangel> Razor-X: Do I have to run ldconfig as a normal user? :/
[08:42] <doctor_salvia> salvia + weed = wow (STONED AS FUCK)
[08:42] <Razor-X> doctor_salvia: emacs
[08:42] <Razor-X> dataangel: nopes
[08:43] <thechitowncubs> lmao
[08:43] <dataangel> Razor-X: I installed wxwidgets-dev, which I'm pretty sure should've pulled in any X11-dev packages.
[08:43] <doctor_salvia> Razor-X: what about it??
[08:43] <Razor-X> doctor_salvia: best text editor, bar none
[08:43] <daniels> dataangel: which headers/libraries are you actually trying to install?
[08:43] <HrdwrBoB> dataangel: better to get build-dep wxwidgets
[08:43] <doctor_salvia> Razor-X: bit confusing at times but yes
[08:43] <Razor-X> dataangel: build-dep helps there
[08:43] <Razor-X> doctor_salvia: never found it confusing, meself
[08:44] <doctor_salvia> Razor-X: meh
[08:44] <Razor-X> just flowed naturally to me, like water does to bottles, and words do to LaTeX ;)
[08:44] <thechitowncubs> doctor_salvia: pm
[08:44] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: do you happen to remember the name of that one CLI Podcast listening client?
[08:44] <Razor-X> I found a Ruby one, but this weird RSS+Podcast business is... yeah
[08:45] <liraz> no luck with grub.
[08:45] <dataangel> daniels: I'm just trying to get a simple X11 example to compile. ld complains -lX11 can't be found
[08:45] <setite> where can i get libgtk-1.2
[08:45] <daniels> dataangel: libx11-dev
[08:45] <daniels> setite: universe
[08:45] <dataangel> daniels: already have it :/
[08:45] <setite> well i have universe but its not finding the package
[08:45] <dataangel> daniels: Already ran sudo ldconfig too
[08:46] <vladuz976> does anybody know a word processor capable of japanese input
[08:46] <daniels> dataangel: you probaby need -L/usr/X11R6/lib then
[08:46] <setite> you know i think this script may be flawed
[08:46] <dataangel> daniels: How do I setup -lX11 to correspond to that? I imagine there's a ton of stuff out there I may want to install from source that uses -lX11
[08:47] <razerslut> how do i run a bin file that i have downloaded?
[08:47] <doctor_salvia> sudo
[08:47] <doctor_salvia> *hits the pipe*
[08:47] <doctor_salvia> lol
[08:48] <deFrysk> razerslut, depends on what binfile it is
[08:48] <joolz> razerslut: chmod +x file ; ./file
[08:48] <deFrysk> razerslut, ./ or sh
[08:48] <razerslut> it's a java plugin for firefox
[08:48] <dataangel> daniels: Tried -L/usr/X11R6/lib instead -- now I get a ton of undefined reference errors :P
[08:48] <razerslut> ah
[08:48] <Pyrotas> hi
[08:48] <deFrysk> razerslut, ./ and use sudo
[08:48] <razerslut> okay
[08:48] <razerslut> thank you
[08:48] <joolz> razerslut: not if it's a plugin
[08:48] <joolz> then you have to install in from within ff
[08:49] <doctor_salvia> razerslut... get a better source list for synaptic
[08:49] <joolz> and be prepared for trouble of you're on hoary
[08:49] <joolz> razerslut: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12854
[08:49] <Razor-X> uggghhh
[08:49] <liraz> Fails when trying to boot off my new configuration which uses the following layout( last post - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=15934 ). /dev/sdb1 = the windows drive(two sata drives). I am greeted with "Fs type unkown : partition type 0x7" and "NTLDR missing"
[08:50] <aru> Razor-X: go to offtopic and check this out
[08:50] <Razor-X> ok
[08:50] <deFrysk> joolz, package firefox (not mozilla-firefox) from backports works fine here
[08:51] <dataangel> liraz: Weird, I never had to resort to any strange tricks like that with xp
[08:51] <setite> hey what does it mean if my compiler cant create executables
[08:52] <razerslut> actually its' an RPM now that i look
[08:52] <razerslut> how do i get on synaptic?
[08:53] <Madpilot> razerslut: System - Admin - Syn Pkg Mngr
[08:55] <Madpilot> !synaptic
[08:55] <ubotu> rumour has it, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[08:55] <setite> what is a c compiler
[08:56] <setite> like the name of one
[08:56] <Computer__Guru> gcc
[08:56] <traveller> gcc
[08:56] <setite> i have gcc but im gettin an error
[08:56] <Computer__Guru> i might teach myself python
[08:56] <setite> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[08:57] <Computer__Guru> doesnt sound like you have any version of gcc i have ever used
[08:57] <Pyrotas> how i can install icq on linux??
[08:57] <setite> i just did apt-get install gcc
[08:57] <La_PaRCa> !gaims
[08:57] <ubotu> La_PaRCa: I don't know
[08:57] <La_PaRCa> !gaim
[08:57] <ubotu> rumour has it, gaim is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GaimHowto/
[08:57] <Computer__Guru> Pyrotas: there's about a dozen programs that do many im protocols, including icq
[08:57] <jeran_> Pyrotas: Gaim does ICQ..
[08:58] <Computer__Guru> there's a howto for gaim?
[08:58] <Computer__Guru> thats funny
[08:58] <Computer__Guru> gaim -v:
[08:58] <Computer__Guru> Gaim 1.4.0
[08:58] <supernix> !java
[08:58] <ubotu> somebody said java was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[08:59] <La_PaRCa> Computer__Guru, thats what makes the community great.
[08:59] <supernix> that is so kewl
[08:59] <supernix> !dhcp
[08:59] <ubotu> supernix: I don't know
[08:59] <supernix> :((
[08:59] <supernix> crap someone needs to write a dhcp primer
[08:59] <jon__> where would a java plugin for firefox be in synaptic?
[08:59] <Computer__Guru> La_PaRCa: okay, my point was if you need instructions on how to use gaim... actually getting to the howto is out of the question, lol
[08:59] <Madpilot> supernix: you can /msg ubotu <something> to chat with the bot - and to teach it new stuff
[09:00] <supernix> kewl
[09:00] <Madpilot> !java
[09:00] <ubotu> it has been said that java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[09:00] <Pyrotas> thx
[09:00] <Madpilot> jon__: see the URL that ubotu just posted...
[09:00] <supernix> I found out just now I think how to enable localhost for dns server with dhcp but honestly I am to tired to explain it right now
[09:02] <Computer__Guru> not like its that difficult
[09:02] <Computer__Guru> and lemme tell ya
[09:02] <razerslut> could someone explain to me how synaptic works?
[09:03] <Computer__Guru> when you run a local nameserver
[09:03] <Computer__Guru> shit loads fast
[09:03] <Madpilot> razerslut: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[09:03] <supernix> actualy Computer__Guru it is a problem just adding the nameserver in the list fails
[09:03] <dataangel> this is weird, I have to specify -L/usr/X11R6/lib but it's in /etc/ld.so.conf and I've run ldconfig.
[09:03] <supernix> each time dhcp reloads it overwrites your changes
[09:04] <supernix> I had to edit dhcpd.conf to get it to work
[09:04] <Computer__Guru> so turn off dhcp addressing, and assign your box a static ip outside the dhcp range of the router
[09:04] <doctor_salvia> TEXAS!?!?!
[09:04] <doctor_salvia> you know what comes fro mtexas?!?!
[09:04] <supernix> if you want to use a localhost dns server you have to edit dhcpd.conf and uncomment the line about prepend domain-name-server 127.0.0.1;
[09:04] <doctor_salvia> :-)
[09:05] <supernix> I am running a cable modem and such so not good if I wish to maintain my net connection
[09:05] <Pyrotas> and how can i install Gaim?
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> i'm just waiting for the person who controls the router here to enable me on 22,80, & 13
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> err 113
[09:05] <dabaR> Pyrotas: it is installed.
[09:05] <doctor_salvia> apt-get install gaim
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> yeah you already got it
[09:05] <dabaR> in Apps>Internet
[09:05] <Daemonic> doctor_salvia: enlighten me.. what comes from texas?
[09:05] <dabaR> bush
[09:05] <Daemonic> ...so?
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> Daemonic: dont encourage him, heh
[09:05] <doctor_salvia> Daemonic: lol im messin wit cha man
[09:06] <_andrea> I installed the Nvidia driver and it works allright...yet at 1024x768 my mAX resolution is 60Hz...when usually its 80Hz...how can i fix it?
[09:06] <Madpilot> "what comes from Texas" could get political & ugly instantly, given the current occupant of the White House...
[09:06] <Computer__Guru> LuNaTiK^GuY: modelines
[09:06] <doctor_salvia> LOL
[09:06] <doctor_salvia> yea
[09:06] <doctor_salvia> it really could
[09:06] <Pyrotas> thx
[09:06] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Computer__Guru:  modelines? how can i access them?
[09:06] <Daemonic> Madpilot: bah...
[09:07] <Computer__Guru> LuNaTiK^GuY: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:07] <LuNaTiK^GuY> oh ic
[09:07] <doctor_salvia> Daemonic: but yea im just messin
[09:07] <doctor_salvia> Daemonic: smoke some salvia :-)
[09:07] <Computer__Guru> I can't speak intelligently on everything that comes from Texas, but I can name at least one billionaire businessman and one national traitor
[09:08] <Computer__Guru> Ross Perot and George W. Bush, of course
[09:08] <doctor_salvia> sage??!?!
[09:08] <doctor_salvia> SAGE
[09:08] <Daemonic> Salvia Sal"vi*a, n. L., sage. (Bot.)
[09:08] <Daemonic>    A genus of plants including the sage.
[09:08] <doctor_salvia> sagewisdom.com
[09:08] <Madpilot> Computer__Guru: that's *exactly* what I mean. leave it alone, please
[09:08] <Daemonic> =P
[09:08] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Computer__Guru: which part do i fix?
[09:08] <Computer__Guru> heh, okay
[09:08] <Computer__Guru> LuNaTiK^GuY: that i cant tell ya
[09:08] <Computer__Guru> LuNaTiK^GuY: but therein lies your problem
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> you're going to need to put in some custom modelines
[09:09] <doctor_salvia> Daemonic: i smoked some 20x and forgot who i was
[09:09] <prodigy> I'm just new using Ubuntu Hoary..how do I install JRE and get it to work for a game?
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> java:
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> Usage: java [-options]  class [args...] 
[09:09] <Computer__Guru>            (to execute a class)
[09:09] <Computer__Guru>    or  java [-options]  -jar jarfile [args...] 
[09:09] <Computer__Guru>            (to execute a jar file)
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> where options include:
[09:09] <LuNaTiK^GuY> can i reconfigure X?
[09:09] <Computer__Guru>     -d32          use a 32-bit data model if available
[09:09] <Computer__Guru>     -d64          use a 64-bit data model if available
[09:09] <Computer__Guru>     -client	  to select the "client" VM
[09:09] <Computer__Guru>     -server	  to select the "server" VM
[09:09] <Computer__Guru>     -hotspot	  is a synonym for the "client" VM  [deprecated] 
[09:09] <doctor_salvia> Daemonic: lol
[09:09] <Computer__Guru>                   The default VM is client.
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> 
[09:09] <La_PaRCa> ubotu tell prodigy about java
[09:09] <Computer__Guru>     -cp <class...
[09:09] <dataangel> prodigy: www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> oops
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> sorry
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> !java
[09:09] <ubotu> I heard java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[09:09] <dataangel> prodigy: Covers how to install JRE
[09:09] <Burgundavia> Daemonic, doctor_salvia this is completely offtopic for here
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> ubuntuguide:
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> sh: ubuntuguide: command not found
[09:09] <Madpilot> !pastebin
[09:09] <ubotu> methinks pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> !ubuntuguide
[09:09] <ubotu> rumour has it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[09:09] <Burgundavia> dataangel, please don't recommend ubuntu guide
[09:10] <dataangel> Burgundavia: Why?
[09:10] <LuNaTiK^GuY> How do I reconfigure X?
[09:10] <Computer__Guru> Madpilot: that was actually a !! error, i didnt mean to paste anything
[09:10] <doctor_salvia> Daemonic: some nice salvia will make you nice and CURLDED UP IN A BALL TREMBLING CUZ YOU DONT KNOW WHO YOU ARE OR HOW YOU GOT THERE
[09:10] <Burgundavia> doctor_salvia, this is completely offtopic, please take it elsewhere
[09:10] <Computer__Guru> doctor_salvia: that's the truth... salvia is kinda scary, heh
[09:10] <Daemonic> doctor_salvia: yeah, umm, ooooook.
[09:10] <Madpilot> Computer__Guru: paste to the wrong window? ;) been there, done that...
[09:10] <Madpilot> ...but mine was lots shorter!
[09:10] <dataangel> Burgundavia: It's updated for the latest release and at least was accurate for me.
[09:11] <doctor_salvia> Burgundavia: sorry lol
[09:11] <Burgundavia> dataangel, did you see the link ubotu posted
[09:11] <Burgundavia> dataangel, the wiki is a better resource
[09:11] <Computer__Guru> Madpilot: no, i typed !java which tried to execute 'java', when i should have typed !!!java to say !java
[09:11] <dataangel> Burgundavia: gotcha
[09:11] <Burgundavia> dataangel, cheers
[09:11] <La_PaRCa> Computer__Guru, ah, you have it easy
[09:11] <prodigy> I'm on the wiki but I don't even know where to go
[09:11] <setite> anyone got cedega to run on hoary 64bit?
[09:11] <La_PaRCa> Computer__Guru, its not complex at all
[09:11] <prodigy> Salvia made me hallucinate 3d textures
[09:11] <Madpilot> Computer__Guru: huh? !java works for me to get ubotu. why three !s?
[09:11] <Computer__Guru> now, I never said it was complex
[09:12] <IIIEars> What Theme packages are suitable for Ubuntu?                                  Metacity?, GDM?,GTK1?, GTK2?
[09:12] <prodigy> and laugh uncontrollably
[09:12] <La_PaRCa> IIIEars, GTK2
[09:12] <IIIEars> Hello Seveas! :)
[09:12] <Computer__Guru> Madpilot: I use bangexec on gaim. if you !something it executes 'something' with stdout being the room/conversation that has focus
[09:12] <Madpilot> IIIEars: metacity works too
[09:12] <prodigy> I'm completely new at Linux, I have no experience at all
[09:12] <prodigy> I'm looking for step by step instructions on how to install Java
[09:12] <Computer__Guru> Madpilot: !!something does the same, but only echoes the output to you
[09:12] <IIIEars> La_PaRCa, - Thank You
[09:13] <setite> no one has worked cedega on hoary 64
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> Madpilot: and !!!something will say !something
[09:13] <Madpilot> Computer__Guru: ouch. that sort of messes with using ubotu, doesn't it?
[09:13] <La_PaRCa> Computer__Guru, rofl
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> Madpilot: that's why when i typed !java you all saw all that bs
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> i meant to type !!!java
[09:13] <dabaR> And I care because
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> ubuntuguide:
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> sh: ubuntuguide: command not found
[09:13] <IIIEars> Madpilot - couldn't find a metacity or GTK2 theme on gnomelook.org that worked using "install theme"
[09:13] <La_PaRCa> smooth
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> !ubuntuguide
[09:13] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> see?
[09:14] <prodigy> oh okay
[09:14] <Madpilot> IIIEars: um, could have sworn I used metacity themes a few weeks ago... maybe not
[09:14] <IIIEars> Madpilot - Bad packages? - Ubuntu is slightly different? - (shrug)
[09:14] <dabaR> IIIEars: did you read the faqs at art.gnome.org?
[09:15] <IIIEars> dabar - erm - No, missed that.
[09:15] <IIIEars> gnomelook.org?
[09:15] <dabaR> those are good, as I said, art.gnome.org
[09:15] <Madpilot> !themes
[09:15] <ubotu> rumour has it, themes is http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/
[09:15] <dabaR> anything to do with skinning, the faqs have it, except the mouse cursors.
[09:16] <IIIEars> i'll take a peek - Thanks
[09:16] <prodigy> where to I type apt-get install build-essential?
[09:16] <mebaran151> xterm prodigy
[09:16] <dabaR> why, prodigy ?
[09:16] <prodigy> I'm a complete newb
[09:16] <prodigy> I'm trying to install Java for hoary
[09:16] <dabaR> its not in build-essential
[09:16] <dabaR> prodigy: follow the wiki.
[09:16] <setite> how do i install a .deb
[09:17] <setite> dpkg -i right
[09:17] <Computer__Guru> yeah
[09:17] <dabaR> ya, why install it like that?
[09:17] <setite> ok thats not working
[09:17] <Computer__Guru> although id add a --no-act at first
[09:17] <Computer__Guru> dabaR: if you downloaded or built your own .deb file thats how you have to do it
[09:17] <setite> --no-act ?
[09:17] <setite> whats that
[09:17] <Computer__Guru> or run your own custom repository
[09:18] <dabaR> wtf? look at that wiki:)
[09:18] <Computer__Guru> setite: puts the op through a dry run to see if there will be errors
[09:18] <dabaR> off course I did not.
[09:18] <jasoncohen> prodigy, it's also in hoary-extras
[09:18] <setite> ok i need to force the architecture now
[09:18] <setite> --force-architecture?
[09:18] <prodigy> I already downloaded the self-extraxting files that end in .bin and I applied the changes in the Synaptic Package Manager, what do I do next?
[09:18] <Computer__Guru> what are you installing?
[09:19] <Computer__Guru> i dont think ive ever had to force arch
[09:19] <setite> i had to
[09:19] <setite> im installing cedega
[09:19] <Computer__Guru> heh
[09:20] <prodigy> how do I install the Ubuntu packages fakeroot, java-package, and java-common?
[09:21] <prodigy> or is that not for Hedgehog?
[09:21] <dabaR> it gives you commands.
[09:21] <Computer__Guru> apt-get install fakeroot java-package java-common
[09:21] <prodigy> I type that in the terminal?
[09:21] <Computer__Guru> sure
[09:21] <prodigy> my problem is when I go to the terminal it closes like in 2 seconds
[09:22] <Madpilot> prodigy: they're also installable thru Synaptic, if you'd rather use a GUI
[09:22] <bjv> ah, speaking of apt-get. -_-
[09:22] <jeran_> G,night Everyone
[09:22] <bjv> so i uncommented the 2 lines to get to the universe repo, but i still cant find the package after updating apt-get
[09:22] <dabaR> prodigy: yes, that would be a problem.
[09:22] <prodigy> okay I'm getting it now
[09:23] <bjv> do i have to re-comment things too?
[09:23] <bjv> im a little lost.
[09:23] <thespiritoftal> hi
[09:23] <thespiritoftal> how can I see how many space is left in my harddisk?
[09:23] <Madpilot> bjv: which package?
[09:23] <bjv> um
[09:24] <Computer__Guru> df -Th
[09:24] <bjv> "Package msttcorefonts has no installation candidate"
[09:24] <LuNaTiK^GuY> How can i reconfigure X?
[09:24] <bjv> microsoft fonts or something
[09:24] <Computer__Guru> then dont install them :D
[09:24] <bjv> but i wants teh fonts (im installing winex)
[09:24] <doctor_salvia> www.fat-pie.com w00t
[09:25] <prodigy> I can't find the ubuntu package java-package but I have fakeroot and java-common
[09:25] <Madpilot> bjv: msttcorefonts is in multiverse
[09:25] <prodigy> will these work?
[09:25] <bjv> multiverse?
[09:25] <bjv> different from universe?
[09:25] <Computer__Guru> thats a pretty ugly site
[09:25] <Madpilot> !respositories
[09:25] <ubotu> Madpilot: Are you smoking crack?
[09:25] <IIIEars> Okay - Themes - The Drag and drop or add path in the box didn't work adding them manually did. - Very Happy "G5-ish" looks nice
[09:25] <Madpilot> !repositories
[09:25] <ubotu> repositories is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:26] <Madpilot> bjv: see the URL that obotu just posted
[09:26] <Seveas> !forget repositories
[09:26] <ubotu> Seveas: i forgot repositories
[09:26] <Madpilot> Seveas: huh?
[09:26] <Seveas> uboru repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[09:26] <Madpilot> Seveas: nvrmind, forgot that d*mned bad URL...
[09:26] <thespiritoftal> sorry just got disconnected how can i see how many free space is left in my harddisk?
[09:26] <dabaR> prodigy: java-package is also in multiverse.
[09:27] <prodigy> which is where?
[09:27] <dabaR> Seveas: uboru, eh?
[09:27] <HappyFool> thespiritoftal: df, on the command line. i think nautilus might tell you too
[09:27] <Seveas> ubotu repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:27] <ubotu> okay, Seveas
[09:27] <thespiritoftal> thanks happyfool
[09:27] <Seveas> they changed it back again
[09:28] <dabaR> prodigy: check out the repo for new users wiki
[09:28] <Seveas> someone forgot that Good URLs Don't Change
[09:28] <Madpilot> prodigy: see that "AddingRepositories" URL that Seveas has been posting
[09:28] <setite> damn the force architecture only half works
[09:28] <setite> i can get the installer to start running but it hangs
[09:28] <Madpilot> Seveas: it seems like we've been playing "musical URLs" on that one for a week or two now?
[09:28] <Seveas> :)
[09:29] <knowledge_> I really hope I don't get kicked for this, but it's worth it because I tihnk it's a good cause
[09:29] <jon__> could someone post the link to the synaptic howto?
[09:29] <Razor-X> when a python app returns an error ``No module named players''
[09:29] <knowledge_> http://www.petitiononline.com/linuxswp/petition.html
[09:29] <Razor-X> what package do I need to download now?
[09:29] <Madpilot> Seveas: who keeps messing with the wiki's URLs?
[09:29] <dabaR> jon searching the wiki can
[09:29] <Madpilot> ... and ubotu's bangs?
[09:29] <jon__> WIKI
[09:29] <jon__> explain
[09:29] <HappyFool> !synaptic
[09:29] <ubotu> synaptic is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[09:30] <Seveas> Madpilot, there was an argument about NewUserGuide wiki things lately
[09:30] <Computer__Guru> knowledge_: the open source community won this round already. The EU Parliament voted against it something like 200 to 12
[09:30] <dabaR> wiki.ubuntu.com/FindPage
[09:30] <bjv> ok, that link didnt actually tell me where the multiverse is
[09:30] <bjv> 1 sec
[09:30] <setite> !cedega
[09:30] <ubotu> somebody said cedega was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega
[09:30] <knowledge_> Computer__Guru, that blows
[09:30] <Computer__Guru> blows?
[09:30] <dabaR>  /msg ubotu cedega
[09:30] <Seveas> knowledge_, this is another petition
[09:30] <Computer__Guru> uhh, the software patent act was DENIED
[09:30] <mgcross> enyone know of any good howto's for hotkeys? wanna set it up to use my defaul apps: firefox, amarok, etc...
[09:30] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, this is another petition
[09:30] <mgcross> er anyone
[09:30] <mgcross> lol
[09:30] <Computer__Guru> oh
[09:30] <Computer__Guru> ok
[09:31] <Computer__Guru> what are we petitioning this time?
[09:31] <Seveas> mgcross, 'hotkeys' as in extra keys on your keyboard?
[09:31] <knowledge_> Computer__Guru, meaning that there will be no shockwave?
[09:31] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, shockwave on linux
[09:31] <Razor-X> so, if a python app complains about ``player'' what should I give it?
[09:31] <bjv> :\      ok, that was easy enough
[09:31] <HappyFool> mgcross: look under System -> Preferences -> Keyboard shortcuts
[09:31] <thespiritoftal> how can i update mozilla firefox?
[09:31] <Computer__Guru> oh
[09:31] <Seveas> thespiritoftal, you shouldn't
[09:31] <HappyFool> Razor-X: in what context is this?
[09:31] <dabaR> thespiritoftal: update how?
[09:31] <Computer__Guru> so swp is shockwave player, not software patents :D
[09:31] <Computer__Guru> my bad
[09:32] <Seveas> thechitowncubs, latest ubuntu and official firefox break all extensions again
[09:32] <HappyFool> ColonelKernel: i thought software patents too ;)
[09:32] <setite> give up spirit.. it more trouble than its worth
[09:32] <thechitowncubs> Seveas: why are you telling me?
[09:32] <Razor-X> HappyFool: running a python app
[09:32] <Computer__Guru> Seveas: thats not good..
[09:32] <mgcross> Seveas: I set up "hotkeys deamon" and it works great....volume mute etc alll work now (special keys on compaq keyboard)
[09:32] <Madpilot> :) for a better browser: www.opera.com/download
[09:32] <Razor-X> Madpilot: hehehe
[09:32] <HappyFool> Razor-X: i meant, what python app, or what kind of app ;)
[09:32] <Seveas> Madpilot, too bad that opera sucks so hard...
[09:32] <dabaR> better than what?
[09:32] <Razor-X> HappyFool: iPodder
[09:32] <knowledge_> Could actually be that linux uses less battery?
[09:33] <Seveas> knowledge_, yes
[09:33] <Razor-X> against my will to take a GUI app, but :(
[09:33] <mgcross> Seveas: just that the config file uses xmms and mozzila instead of firefox evolution, etc
[09:33] <knowledge_> because I notice that when on battery it turns the HD off, and the fans when not needed....that's cool
[09:33] <setite> how do i install from a tar gain
[09:33] <setite> make
[09:33] <dabaR> unpack a tar
[09:33] <HappyFool> Razor-X: hm. ok, i don't know. I don't think 'player' is a generic python term. What if you supply 'mpg321' or something similar?
[09:33] <setite> make-install
[09:33] <Madpilot> Seveas: your opinion; I've been using Opera since 4.x and 8 is the best yet...
[09:33] <setite> something
[09:33] <Razor-X> setite: unpack, ./config, make, make install
[09:33] <Seveas> Madpilot, I guess you never tried any reallt advanced css tricks :)
[09:33] <Razor-X> HappyFool: mpg123 and ogg123 are already up and configured on this box
[09:34] <knowledge_> when I ran windows, the battery would die in 20 minutes....(no joke, bad cells)...but it's doing fairly well right now
[09:34] <mebaran151> Razor-X, what you playing with now?
[09:34] <dabaR> man tar
[09:34] <bjv> Madpilot, did you search somewhere to find if the mstt fonts were in multiverse?
[09:34] <bjv> or did you just guess
[09:34] <Razor-X> mebaran151: wanted to experience this ``podcasting'' thing
[09:34] <mebaran151> oh yeah
[09:34] <mebaran151> the next big thing
[09:34] <Razor-X> yeah, supposedly
[09:34] <Madpilot> bjv: in Synaptic
[09:34] <Seveas> bjv, apt-cache search msttcorefonts will tell you :)
[09:34] <mebaran151> haha
[09:34] <mebaran151> (my sarcasm)
[09:34] <Razor-X> I was never into internet fads, meself, but if Leo, Patrick, and Kevin host a show on a Podcast
[09:34] <Razor-X> i'm sold
[09:34] <mebaran151> you could always record the news as an mp3 and burn it to your ipod
[09:34] <setite> whats a good bittorrent client
[09:35] <Madpilot> Seveas: I've done some middling advanced CSS, it works just as well in Opera as in FF
[09:35] <setite> azureus is giving me shit on the install
[09:35] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I don't have an iPod ;)
[09:35] <mebaran151> ah, ok
[09:35] <setite> it wont config and there is no make file i guess
[09:35] <knowledge_> the only thing that doesn't work right in ubuntu for me is ummm.....what's it called...OH hibernate
[09:35] <bjv> im pretty sure i know what apt-cache search will say.. the "E: Couldn't find package XYZ" sort of tipped me off
[09:35] <mebaran151> Razor-X, as far as I can tell podcasting looks like recording internet radio
[09:35] <Seveas> knowledge_, yeah, that's still a PITA
[09:35] <mebaran151> which streamripper does very well
[09:35] <Razor-X> mebaran151: something like that, yeah
[09:35] <knowledge_> PITA?
[09:35] <mebaran151> have you used streamripper
[09:35] <Seveas> especially if you use ATI/NVIDIA/atheros/ndiswrapper...
[09:35] <HappyFool> bjv: then you haven't added the appropriate repositories
[09:35] <Madpilot> bjv: you need to have multiverse enabled to find the MS fonts
[09:35] <Seveas> pain in the ass
[09:35] <mgcross> no one uses the hotkeys deamon?
[09:35] <bjv> although i got multiverse added to my sources.list
[09:35] <Razor-X> mebaran151: no, but i've used similar apps before
[09:35] <mgcross> er daemon?
[09:35] <knowledge_> Seveas, yeah I think I do....
[09:35] <bjv> ive got the ms fonts. :P
[09:36] <concept10> did you guys know there is an extension in firefox to search ubuntu packages?
[09:36] <mebaran151> streamripper is decent
[09:36] <thespiritoftal> I can't install java as written in ubuntuguide... when I do sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5 it says E: Some packages could not be authenticated
[09:36] <bjv> now its "Couldn't find package libsdl-ttf2.0-dev"
[09:36] <bjv> :/
[09:36] <anacron> bjv: how 'bout installing it?
[09:36] <thespiritoftal> anyone can help me please?
[09:36] <Seveas> bjv, that's in universe
[09:36] <bjv> i am apt-get installing?
[09:37] <bjv> wait.
[09:37] <Seveas> Filename: pool/universe/s/sdl-ttf2.0/libsdl-ttf2.0-dev_2.0.6-5_i386.deb
[09:37] <bjv> ok.
[09:37] <knowledge_> I can't believe there's no shockwave for linux....what if I want addictinggames.com?
[09:37] <knowledge_> those macromedia bastards
[09:37] <pax> concept10: yes and there's another one to search the forums, now you have to make one that search the wiki :)
[09:37] <bjv> (i had just edited the universe entry to read mulitverse)
[09:37] <anacron> bjv: and add more sources, like universe
[09:37] <bjv> i assumed universe was *inside* multi
[09:37] <setite> hey whats the thing for rpms
[09:37] <setite> dpkg alien -i?
[09:37] <Seveas> setite, alien
[09:37] <HappyFool> bjv: good, but unfortunately flawed intuition; they are disjoint ;)
[09:37] <Seveas> alien -i foo.rpm
[09:37] <setite> ok
[09:38] <HappyFool> bjv: you need main *and* restricted *and* universe *and* multiverse
[09:38] <Seveas> bjv: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[09:38] <bjv> nevar!
[09:38] <bjv> im already editing.
[09:38] <Madpilot> in this case, the multiverse does not contain the universe. go figure!
[09:38] <HappyFool> yeah, maybe
[09:38] <HappyFool> aargh. maybe universe-non-free would be more accurate a name
[09:39] <knowledge_> why am I watching the weather channel?
[09:39] <Madpilot> is Breezy going to ship with all it's repos enabled? would be a great help to noobs...
[09:39] <Seveas> Madpilot, no
[09:39] <Razor-X> knowledge_: beter than watching the price of a Japanese game bounce up and down using an exchange rate calculator
[09:39] <pan_> hi all
[09:39] <HappyFool> i imagine there are support and maybe even legal issues why uni/multi can't be enabled
[09:39] <Seveas> support issues indeed :)
[09:40] <knowledge_> Razor-X, ....I'll agree, but only because I have no clue what the he..ll that is
[09:40] <Madpilot> I know the multiverse stuff is nonFree, but if none of it is installed by default why not enabled the repos?
[09:40] <knowledge_> Razor-X, thanks again for your help
[09:40] <Madpilot> *enable
[09:40] <holycow> this is goddamned weird
[09:40] <Seveas> Madpilot, because universe and multiverse are not officially supported
[09:40] <holycow> after last nights upgrade of ffmpeg ...
[09:41] <HappyFool> Madpilot: i think the idea is that only stuff which is officially supported (i.e., main + restricted) is available by default
[09:41] <holycow> i get sound but no dialogue
[09:41] <Razor-X> knowledge_: your welcome
[09:41] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:41] <Madpilot> OK, that makes sense. still, all the stuff that people "need" seems to be in uni/multi...
[09:41] <Razor-X> you don't know what a currency exchancge rate is?
[09:42] <HappyFool> i have a feeling the number of users coming into #ubuntu is a small, and possibly non-representative sample of 'all' users
[09:42] <IIIEars> HappyFool - not too many return after things are running smoothly
[09:43] <holycow> or rather, its very far back in the mix
[09:43] <holycow> would anyone have a clue how to bring back dialogue into the mix?
[09:43] <holycow> on a dvd that is
[09:43] <Madpilot> that sort of thing seems impossible to measure, tho
[09:43] <knowledge_> I wonder what that constant high pitched noise is comming from my lappy toppy
[09:43] <Madpilot> knowledge_: it's about to explode? ;)
[09:43] <HappyFool> Madpilot: true. and i'm sure ubuntu would *love* to ship mp3 codecs and a dvd player, if it were legally possible
[09:44] <knowledge_> Madpilot, seems soo
[09:44] <mgcross> hmmm no takers huh?
[09:44] <IIIEars> Is Ubuntu in the Browser Agent string? - some sites keep % stats. - would be interesting to have a guess at how many there are.
[09:45] <Madpilot> IIIEars: you can always edit your string, if you're feeling hardcore... ;)
[09:45] <HappyFool> mgcross: my 'special' keys work fine without any special daemons running
[09:45] <IIIEars> << - caught red handed - I am using Windows 3.1 - embarrased
[09:45] <Razor-X> any portable MP3 players you people reccomend?
[09:45] <Razor-X> $100 and under, rather
[09:45] <knowledge_> I gotta question....how'd so many of you guys learn the command line so well?
[09:46] <HappyFool> IIIEars: it's in general.useragent.vendorComment -- not sure if that's sent as part the HTTP headers
[09:46] <Razor-X> knowledge_: experience, and in my case, no alternative
[09:46] <knowledge_> actually....linux in general, I mean there's SO much to know about it
[09:46] <Madpilot> hardcore *nix geeks thing GUI is evil
[09:46] <Daemonic> Razor-X: ZEN
[09:46] <HappyFool> knowledge_: practice ;)
[09:46] <IIIEars> firefox makes it a small edit to change
[09:46] <knowledge_> Razor-X, yeah, but I'm sick of reinstalling ubuntu
[09:46] <Razor-X> see, I tried to get X to work on a box with a defficient box with an onboard card
[09:46] <IIIEars> HappyFool - Brb
[09:46] <knowledge_> I installed mandrake at least 14 times a week when I was using it...
[09:47] <Razor-X> and, yeah, I failed on my first attempt, and learned the command-line trying to survive ;)
[09:47] <Razor-X> knowledge_: you know, if you mess up something... you can fix it?
[09:47] <Razor-X> most always
[09:47] <Razor-X> Madpilot: I think GUI is pretty evil
[09:47] <knowledge_> Razor-X, yeah, if you know what you did to mess it up....but most of the time I'm copying and pasting someone elses commands
[09:47] <prodigy> I just downloaded the Sun JDK beans, what do I do next to get Java to work?
[09:48] <knowledge_> prodigy, ?
[09:48] <knowledge_> jdk beans?
[09:48] <prodigy> netbeans
[09:48] <prodigy> it's a jdk
[09:48] <knowledge_> ohhh
[09:48] <Madpilot> Razor-X: sure, but you also seem pretty hardcore...
[09:48] <knowledge_> oh...sorry
[09:48] <prodigy> from sun java
[09:48] <Razor-X> knowledge_: there are nice online guides
[09:48] <Flying-Penguin> hey guys.... how do you install doom3 on linux?
[09:49] <Razor-X> I guess that's the problem from receiving instructions from others *shrugs*
[09:49] <knowledge_> does that require patience and effort?
[09:49] <Razor-X> Madpilot: hah, do I really? ;)
[09:49] <Razor-X> knowledge_: yes
[09:49] <knowledge_> damn
[09:49] <knowledge_> lol
[09:49] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:49] <prodigy> where do I type in commands at?
[09:49] <prodigy> I'm lost
[09:49] <prodigy> I'm on the wiki
[09:49] <prodigy> and it's telling me all this stuff with no explanation
[09:50] <knowledge_> ^ my problem with linux
[09:50] <Razor-X> theterminal
[09:50] <Razor-X> *the terminal
[09:50] <knowledge_> most people assume the reader knows what's going on...
[09:50] <prodigy> once I get to the terminal, it closes on me
[09:50] <prodigy> why does that happen?
[09:50] <Flying-Penguin> HOW do you install doom3 on linux???
[09:50] <Madpilot> prodigy: Applications - System Tools - Terminal
[09:50] <prodigy> I know that much, but the terminal always closes on me after it asks me for a password
[09:51] <Razor-X> is there a Linux specific version?
[09:51] <Razor-X> prodigy: not the Root terminal, just the terminal
[09:51] <knowledge_> Flying-Penguin, http://www.google.com/search?q=+doom3+on+linux&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
[09:51] <prodigy> ahhhhh
[09:51] <prodigy> thanks!
[09:51] <Razor-X> the fact of the matter is, Linux is an OS based on the command-line
[09:52] <Razor-X> Ubuntu is the best attempt yet, IMO, of making it user-friendly
[09:52] <Razor-X> but you can't change its basis
[09:52] <Flying-Penguin> knowledge_: thats not what I asked
[09:52] <Razor-X> because, most users have never seen a terminal in their life, previous to Ubuntu, or used it quite sparingly
[09:53] <Computer__Guru> thats funny
[09:53] <Computer__Guru> i wouldnt say most
[09:53] <Computer__Guru> just most recent users
[09:53] <Computer__Guru> ive been around this for some years
[09:53] <Razor-X> true that
[09:54] <Razor-X> but, I learned by a mistake, so *shrugs*
[09:54] <Computer__Guru> ten or so
[09:54] <Computer__Guru> right on
[09:54] <Razor-X> i've used it for 4 users, insofar
[09:54] <prodigy> what if it says unable to lock the administration directory?
[09:54] <prodigy> what do I do?
[09:54] <knowledge_> Razor-X, surprisingly I was very mildy getting better at the command line while using mandrake thanks to a fellow name Dana Olsen...that guy spent COUNTless our with me explaining things...then I forgot it all
[09:54] <Razor-X> prodigy: prepend a ``sudo''
[09:54] <jeran_> I'm new-ish to Ubuntu.. I started on Red Hat 7 and I had a book that taught me a few tricks for the command line...
[09:54] <knowledge_> hours*
[09:54] <Razor-X> knowledge_: I can do that, and there are guides out there as well
[09:54] <prodigy> I have prepended a sudo
[09:54] <Super_BQ> is there a chance that Ubuntu can catch a virus?
[09:55] <prodigy> my command is sudo apt-get update
[09:55] <Super_BQ> i'm seeing funny packets coming through my firewall
[09:55] <Razor-X> Super_BQ: very rare
[09:55] <knowledge_> oh yeah, but I don't feel like being a burden on anyone...that feeling sucks
[09:55] <liraz> I still am unable to boot into my windows xp partition. I either get no response or NTLDR missing or unkown partition type 0x7(with the many configs i've triedO
[09:55] <Razor-X> prodigy: should work fine
[09:55] <Razor-X> knowledge_: the best way to learn is to drown
[09:55] <Razor-X> you either learn to float, or you die trying ;)
[09:55] <Razor-X> more than likely, the former
[09:56] <knowledge_> Razor-X, makes sense...
[09:56] <prodigy> E:Unable to lock the administration directory, (etc) is another process using it?
[09:56] <prodigy> that's my error
[09:56] <Razor-X> prodigy: prepend a ``sudo''
[09:56] <Madpilot> prodigy: what command did you enter?
[09:56] <LuNaTiK^GuY> is installing nvidia different in kubuntu than in ubuntu?
[09:56] <prodigy> sudo apt-get update
[09:56] <knowledge_> everything with linux is cool with me until you get into the whole make, make install...yadda yadda, because I don't know where the files are going, how to unmake...and unmake,,,install
[09:56] <bjv> that usually means there is another apt-get running in another terminal
[09:56] <bjv> i dont think so, lunatik
[09:56] <Razor-X> LuNaTiK^GuY: nopes
[09:56] <itay> hi! I installed kubuntu and every boot it tries to get the time from ntp.ubuntu.org. it takes 20 seconds and then failed, how can I cancel this option?
[09:56] <Madpilot> prodigy: is Synaptic still running? if it is, close it
[09:57] <Super_BQ> somehow i'm getting 'microsoft-ds' on port 445 from the outbound (external) connection
[09:57] <prodigy> yes it is
[09:57] <prodigy> thanks
[09:57] <Super_BQ> and I beleive that is what is buggering up my samba on the LAN
[09:57] <Razor-X> wow, i'm hearing *Patrick*
[09:57] <prodigy> haha it works
[09:57] <prodigy> thanks
[09:57] <Razor-X> crazy!
[09:57] <knowledge_> itay, kubuntu?
[09:57] <thechitowncubs> good night everyone
[09:57] <Super_BQ> the IP is 24.70.132.68
[09:57] <The_Vox> knowledge_: the files usuall go under /usr/local/<someplace> unless you tell it otherwise with a --prefix=/<somethingelse>
[09:57] <thechitowncubs> 3am here
[09:57] <knowledge_> The_Vox, aha, I see...
[09:57] <prodigy> ah, I can't find java-package
[09:58] <Super_BQ> shows as being "an active connection"
[09:58] <Razor-X> woooh! Kevin's an Opera user!!!!
[09:58] <LuNaTiK^GuY> http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver --> this should work with kubuntu?
[09:58] <The_Vox> knowledge_: and to uninstall...if you are lucky, "make uninstall" works...if you are unlucky (and the developer a lazy bastard) you have to go hunt files by hand
[09:58] <The_Vox> LuNaTiK^GuY: yes
[09:58] <knowledge_> I think it'd be cool if there was a converter for tar.gz....or you know the "make" sorta programs to make them .deb
[09:58] <knowledge_> thechitowncubs, where are you from...
[09:58] <knowledge_> wow...nevermind
[09:58] <thechitowncubs> Chicago
[09:58] <knowledge_> I'm a moron
[09:58] <Razor-X> knowledge_: or ``make clean''
[09:58] <knowledge_> me to
[09:58] <thechitowncubs> ya
[09:58] <thechitowncubs> lol
[09:58] <knowledge_> o*
[09:59] <thechitowncubs> u have the same ip
[09:59] <Super_BQ> brb
[09:59] <thechitowncubs> isp*
[09:59] <knowledge_> comcrap?
[09:59] <thechitowncubs> knowledge: what part of chicago u from
[09:59] <HappyFool> LuNaTiK^GuY: i'd recommend the wiki instructions instead
[09:59] <thechitowncubs> yes sir
[09:59] <bjv> lunatik, i followed that exact faq just a few seconds ago. :P
[09:59] <bjv> yes it worked.
[09:59] <HappyFool> !binarydriver
[09:59] <ubotu> HappyFool: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[09:59] <HappyFool> !binarydriverhowto
[09:59] <LuNaTiK^GuY> The_Vox: also after doing all the guide says...should i modify the xorg.conf?
[09:59] <ubotu> binarydriverhowto is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto or ask !Display !Resolution !ati !nvidia Please use /msg <your_question> to avoid flooding the channel
[09:59] <knowledge_> Rogers park....now in Niles
[09:59] <LuNaTiK^GuY> HappyFool: can u point them to me?
[09:59] <thechitowncubs> I'm in Lake Zurich
[10:00] <HappyFool> LuNaTiK^GuY: look at what ubotu just posted
[10:00] <thechitowncubs> well
[10:00] <thechitowncubs> im off
[10:00] <pax> Deal of the day: Seagate 120GB Hard Drives @ CircuitCity for $40 if you don't mind MIR.
[10:00] <The_Vox> LuNaTiK^GuY: check it...in most instances it *should* be modified by debconf when installing the -glx package, but..."trust but verify" should be your life's motto :)
[10:00] <prodigy> pax, is this David?
[10:00] <Madpilot> me too. 0105 here, and I have to work Saturdays (blech). good night/morning/evening/whatever, all
[10:00] <itay> knowledge_, yes I installed kubuntu
[10:01] <itay> how can I cancel this time update?
[10:01] <knowledge_> you know what's weird...when I made my upper bar (forgot what it's called) transparent, the whole thing was transparent.....now I can't get it to be fully transparent, anyone know what's up with that?
[10:02] <pax> prodigy: no I wacked him and stole his nicknam
[10:02] <pax> name*
[10:02] <prodigy> seriously is it David Hulihan?
[10:02] <knowledge_> itay, although I have kde installed (for some God forsaken reason) I'm not familiar with it as much as gnome...
[10:02] <pax> prodigy: nop.
[10:02] <prodigy> ah okay
[10:02] <itay> I'm not sure it's because KDE
[10:03] <knowledge_> no no...it's not
[10:03] <Computer__Guru> kde is nice :)
[10:03] <knowledge_> but I don't know where you'd go in KDE to disable it
[10:03] <itay> why ubuntu tries to get the time from the internet?
[10:03] <The_Vox> itay: because it's the smart thing to do?
[10:03] <LuNaTiK^GuY> HappyFool: the wiki has much less steps than the unofficial guide
[10:03] <knowledge_> Computer__Guru, I used to, but I'm really diggin gnome
[10:03] <Computer__Guru> ive used gnome enough to know i like kde better :D
[10:03] <HappyFool> LuNaTiK^GuY: ok. for nvidia the process should be fairly simple
[10:03] <xerox> Hello.
[10:03] <prodigy> I'm trying to get Java to work for Hoary
[10:04] <prodigy> can someone help me with this?
[10:04] <knowledge_> Computer__Guru, whatcha mean?
[10:04] <Computer__Guru> java is simple..
[10:04] <xerox> Do you know how to get a more recent automake on ubuntu hoary?
[10:04] <Computer__Guru> !java
[10:04] <ubotu> I heard java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[10:04] <itay> knowledge_, how do you disable it in ubuntu? maybe you can run the GUI that you disable it in in a shell and see the command?
[10:04] <HappyFool> prodigy: what's the problem?
[10:04] <prodigy> how do I check my source list and ensure multiverse is added?
[10:04] <prodigy> well I know I need java-package, java-common, and fakeroot
[10:04] <prodigy> but I don't have java-package
[10:04] <prodigy> and I can't find it
[10:05] <thespiritoftal> is there any interface with which I can write Python scripts?
[10:05] <Computer__Guru> knowledge_: just sayin i decided to give gnome a go when it started getting big.. went back to kde pretty quick.. kde is feature rich
[10:05] <The_Vox> itay: cd /etc/rc2.d/ && sudo rm -f S20ntpdate
[10:05] <Computer__Guru> and feature rich is good :D
[10:05] <HappyFool> prodigy: what architecture (x86/ppc/amd64) are you on? (not sure it matters, but...)
[10:05] <prodigy> x86
[10:05] <The_Vox> itay: cd /etc/rc2.d/ && sudo rm -f S20ntpdate && sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate stop
[10:05] <The_Vox> itay: second command series is the correct one
[10:05] <knowledge_> itay, I have "boot-up manager" installed.
[10:05] <Varanger> I am getting a strange noise when playing audio in Linux, I have recently configured my soundcard
[10:05] <HappyFool> prodigy: java-package is in the 'multiverse' repository -- have you enabled that?
[10:05] <The_Vox> itay: but...why don't you want it to keep the clock correct?
[10:05] <bjv> vi /etc/apt/sources.list   ?
[10:05] <prodigy> No, how do I do that?
[10:05] <bjv> at prod
[10:06] <HappyFool> !repositories
[10:06] <ubotu> I heard repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:06] <concept10> Has anyone installed Nvu 1.0 on hoary?
[10:06] <bjv> vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:06] <Computer__Guru> !vi
[10:06] <ubotu> I don't know, Computer__Guru
[10:06] <HappyFool> bjv: read that page
[10:06] <knowledge_> itay, if you can find that in your system (synaptics) you found your answer
[10:06] <HappyFool> ag
[10:06] <HappyFool> not bjv, sorry
[10:06] <bjv> prodigy: uncomment the 2 universe lines in that file
[10:06] <HappyFool> prodigy: read that page
[10:06] <bjv> then copy them, and change the 2 "universe" to "multiverse"
[10:07] <knowledge_> Computer__Guru, maybe I didn't give it enough of a chance, but now that I have gnome all decked out...I'm dreading going thru the hassle again
[10:07] <HappyFool> bjv: you're assuming he can use vi ;)
[10:08] <knowledge_> Computer__Guru, damn it...lol, now I feel like booting up kde
[10:08] <knowledge_> brb
[10:08] <holycow> there we go!
[10:08] <holycow> weeeeird
[10:08] <pax> anyone can use vi. vimtutor will get you going in less than 20 minutes
[10:08] <itay> thank you, I will check it
[10:09] <xerox> Do you people have automake 1.4-p6 installed on ubuntu?  It's rather old, and I need to update it, also I seem unable to find a more recent version for ubuntu.  Can you help me?
[10:09] <holycow> all of a suddent i haveto manually select sound -> en/fr to get dialogue
[10:09] <holycow> wtf?
[10:09] <bjv> its not that hard :P
[10:09] <bjv> just press insert to type :P
[10:09] <bjv> and ctr-c, then shift ':' wq to save/exit :P
[10:09] <bjv> there, now he knows how to use vi
[10:09] <Razor-X> ewwww!
[10:09] <Razor-X> you taught vi?!
[10:09] <HappyFool> xerox: i see a whole set of automake packages, including automake1.4 through automake1.9
[10:09] <Razor-X> use emacs
[10:10] <xerox> HappyFool: where?
[10:10] <Razor-X> then Control+h, hit `t', and learn thenceforth
[10:10] <HappyFool> xerox: 'apt-cache search automake'
[10:10] <HappyFool> xerox: or look on packages.ubuntu.com
[10:10] <xerox> HappyFool: are them for breezy or hoary?
[10:10] <HappyFool> in this case prodigy can just use synaptic, so the point is moot
[10:10] <HappyFool> xerox: hoary, i hope! I don't have breezy repos enabled
[10:10] <knowledge_> hi
[10:10] <knowledge_> lol
[10:11] <xerox> HappyFool: do using ``multiverse'' in your sources.list brings error in the apt-get update process?
[10:11] <HappyFool> xerox: not usually -- i haven't run it this morning
[10:12] <xerox> Using this: deb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main universe multiverse restricted   I get some errors.
[10:13] <xerox> The errors go away if I remove ``multiverse''.
[10:13] <xerox> Does it make any sense?
[10:13] <HappyFool> xerox: maybe try changing it.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com (this is in /etc/apt/sources.list)
[10:13] <pax> try to change it with something else
[10:13] <HappyFool> and try the update again
[10:13] <The_Vox> xerox: I just ran update and didn't get errors...and I have multiverse
[10:13] <tehmandi> does anyone know how I can change my display to kde instead of GNOME?
[10:13] <LuNaTiK^GuY> how can i overrid refresh rates of my monitor...its doing 60Hz max...but i know it can go up to 80hz!!
[10:13] <HappyFool> xerox: maybe the it mirror is having problems
[10:13] <xerox> Let's try.
[10:14] <The_Vox> xerox: I use mx.<blah> as my mirror, tho
[10:14] <HappyFool> tehmandi: install kubuntu-desktop, and choose kde on login (it's under 'session', in think, at the bottom of the login screen)
[10:14] <xerox> 99% [6 Packages bzip2 0]  [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.151)]  [Wabzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
[10:14] <The_Vox> LuNaTiK^GuY: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:14] <knowledge_> wow...kde is not 1024X768 friendly
[10:14] <xerox> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[10:14] <xerox>   Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[10:14] <bob2> xerox: sounds like you're behind a broken proxy
[10:14] <tehmandi> HappyFool, how do I get kubuntu?
[10:14] <LuNaTiK^GuY> The_Vox: i dont know where and what to edit!
[10:14] <HappyFool> tehmandi: install 'kubuntu-desktop'
[10:14] <tehmandi> oh
[10:14] <HappyFool> tehmandi: it's an ubuntu package
[10:14] <xerox> bob2: argh, damn.  This is indeed possible, I'm on a mobile connection.
[10:14] <HappyFool> tehmandi: you can install it with synaptic
[10:14] <tehmandi> that's the command?
[10:14] <tehmandi> oh
[10:15] <tehmandi> ok
[10:15] <tehmandi> ty
[10:15] <xerox> bob2: is there a way to get the files from ftp or something?
[10:15] <The_Vox> LuNaTiK^GuY: it's actually pretty obvious...the line you want is Refresh or VertRefresh or something like that
[10:15] <bob2> xerox: sure
[10:16] <vinboy> hi guys
[10:16] <bob2> xerox: same address, just s/htp/ftp/
[10:16] <vinboy> i'm newbie
[10:16] <LuNaTiK^GuY> The_Vox: 10ks i;ll see wot i can do
[10:16] <xerox> bob2: thank you very much, I'm trying.
[10:16] <vinboy> how do i get the development environment software for ubuntu?
[10:16] <Computer__Guru> umm
[10:16] <Computer__Guru> can you be a little more specific?
[10:16] <HappyFool> vinboy: install the build-essential package for C/C++ compilers
[10:17] <xerox> Get:3 ftp://it.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Packages [88.4kB] 
[10:17] <xerox> -t, even
[10:17] <bob2> vinboy: with synaptic.  the basic toolchain is installed by getting the 'build-essential' package, but you'll need a lot more than that for compiling useful apps
[10:17] <knowledge_> lol
[10:17] <vinboy> HappyFool: are they included in the CD iso?
[10:17] <HappyFool> vinboy: yip
[10:17] <vinboy> ic
[10:17] <vinboy> thanks guys
[10:17] <setite>  finally my transgaming account works so i dont have to try the cvs.. .i pray that this is easier
[10:17] <vinboy> i wonder why Ubuntu has only 1 cd and fedora has 4 cds
[10:17] <liraz> do the ubuntu reps really lack maintainers because my update is telling me to get firefox-1.0.2
[10:18] <knowledge_> what resolution do most of you run?
[10:18] <liraz> I've just moved from fedora
[10:18] <xerox> Now it sleeps on "Hit ftp://it.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages" \n "99% [Waiting for headers] "
[10:18] <Computer__Guru> i bought maya6 for a very small amount of money from an improperly placed ebay auction :D
[10:18] <bob2> vinboy: because ubuntu only puts some of it on cd
[10:18] <bob2> vinboy: the other 14 cds worth of software is available over the internet
[10:18] <The_Vox> vinboy: because ubuntu (and most debian-based distros) pretend that you have an internet connection and can just pull packages from the internet...messing around with CDs is a waste of time, IMNSHO
[10:19] <vinboy> yea.. maybe
[10:19] <Computer__Guru> i thought it was 81gb
[10:19] <Computer__Guru> thats a lot more than 14 cds
[10:19] <alkuovi> LuNaTiK^GuY: What monitor are you using?
[10:19] <vinboy> and... do u know how the Fedora has the Add/Remove Programs
[10:19] <vinboy> does Ubuntu has it?
[10:19] <xerox> :|
[10:19] <vinboy> i think it is very handy
[10:19] <knowledge_> I notice no speed difference between KDE and Gnome
[10:19] <The_Vox> liraz: they backport patches, not update versions. If you want 1.0.6 you need to use the backports repository
[10:20] <knowledge_> people say Gnome is faster
[10:20] <Oompa> Hey has anyone here ever used enlightenment on Ubuntu?
[10:20] <The_Vox> knowledge_: I use 1600x1200
[10:20] <tehmandi> how can I enable the ability to login as root?
[10:20] <rayn_> does anyone know how to trasnfer files between windows and ubunut?
[10:20] <Myrtti> hrm.
[10:20] <knowledge_> The_Vox, doesn't that hurt your eyes at all?
[10:20] <bob2> vinboy: of course, ubuntu has the same highly sophisticated package management system debian has
[10:20] <rayn_> help anyone?
[10:20] <bob2> Computer__Guru: 91GB or so for all 3 architectures and all 3 branches
[10:20] <bob2> rayn_: be more specific
[10:20] <Myrtti> my computer doesn't know how to fetch ip-configuration via dhcp anymore at startup
[10:20] <The_Vox> knowledge_: not really...I have a 19" monitor...tho I *do* use small fonts (9pt)
[10:21] <bob2> Oompa: lots of people have
[10:21] <bob2> tehmandi: why do you want to do that?
[10:21] <setite> fedora has several more gigs of stuff.. yet somehow it doesnt work as well or do as much for me
[10:21] <tehmandi> bob2, to be able to access everything
[10:21] <knowledge_> The_Vox, wow, my laptop defaults at that res, and it just kills me, although I don't like 1024/768 too much, I'm slowly moving up (I used to use 8X6)
[10:21] <liraz> The_Vox, backport?
[10:21] <tehmandi> bob2, my account doesn't have permissions to do certain things
[10:21] <xerox> Great, using ftp everywhere worked like a charm.  Thanks again.
[10:22] <bob2> tehmandi: why do you want to do that?
[10:22] <pax> MS Fedora is bloated indeed
[10:22] <bob2> tehmandi: yes, I know.  use sudo for those things.
[10:22] <prodigy> Okay, I just downloaded jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin and my terminal is telling me it doesn't exist
[10:22] <The_Vox> rayn_: use pscp (search google for "putty"...pscp is made by the same guys) on windows or configure samba in your ubuntu box
[10:22] <prodigy> why is this happening?
[10:22] <bob2> prodigy: then it's in another directory
[10:22] <tehmandi> bob2, I mean...I can't change permissions and stuff
[10:22] <Myrtti> sudo chmod
[10:22] <The_Vox> knowledge_: I'd use higher res, but the monitor can't give it.
[10:22] <prodigy> how do I find where it is?
[10:23] <Myrtti> updatedb locate
[10:23] <knowledge_> The_Vox, what's the purpose of that? More desktop space?
[10:23] <bob2> tehmandi: yes, I know.  what specifically are you trying to do?
[10:23] <knowledge_> The_Vox, or just preference/
[10:23] <knowledge_> ?*
[10:23] <The_Vox> liraz: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org if I remember right...that site will give you directions on how to use their repos
[10:23] <bob2> prodigy: if you downloaded it with firefox, it'd be in ~/Desktop by default
[10:23] <rayn_> hey bob2
[10:23] <tehmandi> bob2, changing permissions so I can access my root partition and make changes.  It also sometimes tells me I can't mount, etc
[10:23] <rayn_> i wanna trasnfer files between partitions
[10:24] <bob2> tehmandi: so, use sudo for those things in particular
[10:24] <The_Vox> knowledge_: both. When I log in, my session opens 8 konsoles with multiple tabs, 2 emacs windows and 8 other programs...that's just the minimum for me to wake up to :) After a couple of days, I'm using 16 vdesks instead of the 8 I have configured for my session start lol!
[10:24] <bob2> rayn_: yo ucan't write to NTFS from linux, and windows (without extra software) can't write to any useful linux filesystem
[10:24] <nmoore> has anyone else experienced this problem: somebody has logged in to my system remotely via ssh somehow, the only account is my own account and the password is very secure, i can't think what could have gone wrong
[10:24] <bob2> rayn_: do you have a fat32 partition to share things on?
[10:25] <tehmandi> bob2, like how?
[10:25] <knowledge_> The_Vox, wow
[10:25] <rayn_> bob2: yeah I created a fat32 partition with /windows set as the mount point
[10:25] <knowledge_> ok this sucks...i don't like kde, I'm going back to Gnome...brb
[10:25] <ubuntu_> k
[10:25] <The_Vox> rayn_: while in ubuntu you just need to mount the partition...usually "sudo mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /mnt" will do it...all your windows stuff will be under /mnt
[10:25] <tehmandi> bob2, how can I use sudo when I am in my home folder when using things like konqueror?
[10:25] <bob2> tehmandi: sudo mount /mnt/whatever/
[10:25] <The_Vox> rayn_: you can't see the linux disks under windows, it's too braindead
[10:25] <prodigy> how do I switch to the desktop directory in my terminal?
[10:25] <bob2> tehmandi: you don't do that sort of thing with konqueror
[10:25] <bob2> prodigy: cd ~/Desktop
[10:25] <rayn_> thats fine but linux can see a fat32 partittion
[10:25] <rayn_> ?
[10:26] <The_Vox> rayn_: yes
[10:26] <bob2> rayn_: yes
[10:26] <tehmandi> bob2, then how do I chang permissions?
[10:26] <bob2> tehmandi: what EXACTLY are you trying to do?
[10:26] <bob2> tehmandi: in general, you don't need to play with /etc/ or /usr/ with konqueror
[10:26] <Myrtti> in the meantime, could anyone help me with the dhclient problem? My computer doesn't get IP addresses or anything else in startup anymore
[10:26] <exhu> why basic installation of 5.04 doesn't work as properly as desktop installation?
[10:26] <knowledge_> Much better
[10:26] <tehmandi> I was trying to look in my root partition
[10:26] <bob2> xerox: for example?
[10:27] <bob2> tehmandi: your root partition? as in /?
[10:27] <bob2> bah
[10:27] <rayn_> vox: can u dcc chat me
[10:27] <bob2> exhu: for example?
[10:27] <tehmandi> bob2, yes
[10:27] <prodigy> I need help installing java for hoary
[10:27] <bjv> The_Vox: ive got ext2 drivers for my windows 2000 box
[10:27] <The_Vox> rayn_: no
[10:27] <bob2> Myrtti: does dhclient work manually?
[10:27] <prodigy> I enabled multiverse packages
[10:27] <Myrtti> bob2: yes
[10:27] <prodigy> and I downloaded make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin
[10:27] <bob2> Myrtti: paste /etc/network/interfaces to #flood
[10:27] <bjv> i believe i got them off sourceforge
[10:27] <prodigy> err jdk etc
[10:27] <prodigy> what do I do next?
[10:27] <rayn_> vox: i typed ur sudo command but it didnt work
[10:27] <bob2> prodigy: which step on the howto is confusing you?
[10:27] <The_Vox> bjv: I've heard of dead partitions with that crap, wouldn't use it for money. On the other hand, I haven't touched windows in 10 years, except inside vmware :)
[10:27] <bob2> tehmandi: and what isn't working for yu?
[10:27] <liraz> The_Vox, so what is the difference between backport and update. I mean I do have a few 'updates' just not many
[10:28] <prodigy> $ fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin
[10:28] <prodigy> that one is confusing me
[10:28] <tehmandi> bob2, whenever I go into certain things or tr to write to the partition, it tells me I lack permission
[10:28] <bob2> prodigy: so, cd ~/Desktop, then run it
[10:28] <bob2> tehmandi: and what is an example of one of these "certain things"?
[10:29] <The_Vox> liraz: backport is a project that tries to keep ubuntu releases with current versions of some programs....the packages from that will show up as updates in kynaptic/synaptic
[10:29] <tehmandi> bob2, like, putting a regular folder to hold stuff
[10:29] <exhu> bob2, sudo apt-setup fails to run, it says non-ubuntu cdrom is inserted. while the same command on my ubuntu-desktop installation and with the same official CD works :(
[10:29] <bob2> tehmandi: where?
[10:29] <prodigy> no such file or directory
[10:29] <bob2> exhu: so don't use apt-setup, you don't need it
[10:29] <tehmandi> bob2, just in /
[10:29] <prodigy> oh nm
[10:29] <prodigy> wrong case
[10:29] <bob2> tehmandi: so, why are you trying to put things there?  as a user, you put things in your home directory.
[10:29] <exhu> but how can I install/uninstall packages in so convenient way when I don't have X ?!
[10:30] <tehmandi> bob2, home as in...my ext3?
[10:30] <bob2> exhu: so, you didn't do a default install?
[10:30] <bjv> well vox, i use em. and i trust them to copy from ro linux to my fat part, when under windows
[10:30] <bjv> i dont try to write to ext2/3
[10:30] <bob2> tehmandi: as in ~/ or the desktop in KDE
[10:30] <tehmandi> bob2, so I never should need to touch the root partition?
[10:31] <bob2> tehmandi: indeed
[10:31] <prodigy> when I move something to the trash, is it deleted automatically?
[10:31] <liraz> The_Vox, that's kinda confusing... why not have it integrated into ubuntu updates officially?
[10:31] <exhu> bob2, I selected basic/server installation
[10:31] <bob2> unless you're doing maintenance, which you won't be doing with konqueror
[10:31] <tehmandi> bob2, oh I see. ok thanks then
[10:31] <bob2> exhu: well, there you go, that was silly
[10:31] <prodigy> or must I "empty the trash can"
[10:31] <Myrtti> yes
[10:31] <The_Vox> liraz: policy. Security holes are patched by porting the patches to the version that was in the release, not by upgrading to the latest version.
[10:31] <tehmandi> bob2, I am having another problem
[10:31] <prodigy> how do I empty the trash?
[10:31] <tehmandi> bob2, Couldn't stat source package list http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ca.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary-updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:31] <tehmandi> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ca.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary-updates_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:32] <Myrtti> thanks a bunch
[10:32] <bob2> tehmandi: a) don't paste errors in here
[10:32] <bob2> tehmandi: b) sudo apt-get update
[10:32] <HappyFool> prodigy: right click on trash, choose 'Empty Trash'
[10:32] <prodigy> could someone please tell me how to empty the trash?
[10:32] <Myrtti> ^
[10:32] <bob2> prodigy: presumably right click on it
[10:32] <The_Vox> liraz: it's a matter of consistency. If you update stuff just because it's new, sooner or later (most times sooner) you'll break something that was working in previous versions...most people that use linux in production environments don't like that one bit.
[10:32] <bob2> prodigy: the shell has nothing to do with the trash, tho
[10:33] <prodigy> I cannot find the trash
[10:33] <bob2> then ignore it
[10:33] <exhu> bob2, why silly, it's suggested to install either desktop (default) or basic. I need a server and not a 2GB of bloated software.
[10:33] <thespiritoftal> I have a *.tar.gz file how do i extract it?
[10:33] <Myrtti> rm -rf ~/Trash*
[10:33] <bob2> exhu: a) haha bloated, b) 1.2GB
[10:33] <Myrtti> no, not that way
[10:33] <Myrtti> .Trash
[10:33] <knowledge_> just keep in mind that it's late and I'm slow
[10:33] <liraz> The_Vox, right. So official is for patches and not true 'version updates'? if so do i have to disable updates repo?
[10:33] <bob2> exhu: anyway, don't use apt-setup, just edit /etc/apt/sources.list with a text editor, if you feel the need
[10:34] <tehmandi> bob2, it failed to fetch EVERY file
[10:34] <prodigy> rm -rf /~Trash will empty the trash?
[10:34] <bob2> tehmandi: perhaps your network connection is screwed then, or ca.archive
[10:34] <exhu> bob2, what is the nice console-based package installer?
[10:34] <bob2> prodigy: dude, be a lot more careful
[10:34] <HappyFool> aptitude
[10:34] <bob2> prodigy: running random commands from strangers that you're not even typing correctly is VERY dangerous
[10:34] <bob2> exhu: aptitude is excellent
[10:34] <thespiritoftal> how do i extract a tar.gz archive?
[10:34] <HappyFool> prodigy: the trash can is in the bottom right corner of the desktop
[10:34] <tehmandi> bob2, how would I fix my network connection?
[10:34] <bob2> thespiritoftal: tar -zxf foo.tar.gz
[10:35] <bob2> tehmandi: is that the problem?
[10:35] <prodigy> oh thanks
[10:35] <exhu> bob2, ok, thanks.
[10:35] <tehmandi> bob2, I dont know.  All I know is that it can't fetch the files
[10:35] <The_Vox> liraz: uhm...no, the updates repo downloads patched packages, not new-version packages...so leave the repo working, it's where you get security stuff from.
[10:35] <tehmandi> bob2m it says connection refused
[10:35] <exhu> bob2, why is my HDD always busy? Automatic defragmentation or what?
[10:36] <bob2> exhu: no idea, perhaps you're using a dodgy FS like reiser
[10:36] <bob2> tehmandi: then try a different mirror
[10:36] <HappyFool> exhu: maybe updatedb is running -- check with top
[10:36] <exhu> bob2, ext3fs. System monitor says 0 bytes of swap is used and total of 152 megs of ram allocated...
[10:36] <bob2> awesome
[10:37] <bob2> maybe what HappyFool said
[10:37] <HappyFool> updatedb has a penchant for starting up when i'm watching dvd's -- most annoying
[10:37] <tehmandi> bob2, where do I specify mirrors?
[10:37] <prodigy> what if terminal tries to create a directory but permission is denied?
[10:37] <bob2> tehmandi: I don't know how you would do it
[10:37] <bob2> I'd just edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:37] <knowledge_> does anyone know how to make the menu and taskbars completely transparent? I had done it once, but when I restarted, it wasn't fully transparent...meaning that you could still see a background behind the "Applications" "Places" etc
[10:38] <LuNaTiK^GuY> !repositories doesnt work with Kubuntu.....
[10:38] <ubotu> LuNaTiK^GuY: No idea
[10:38] <bob2> LuNaTiK^GuY: dude, the bot is not a person, asking it questions is not going to work
[10:38] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i know
[10:38] <bob2> LuNaTiK^GuY: if you have a specific kubuntu question, #kubuntu
[10:38] <HappyFool> LuNaTiK^GuY: yeah, good point
[10:38] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :(
[10:38] <LuNaTiK^GuY> just that nobody answerred lol
[10:38] <HappyFool> LuNaTiK^GuY: there's another page for repositories; stand by
[10:38] <prodigy> what if terminal tries to create a directory but permission is denied?
[10:39] <LuNaTiK^GuY> HappyFool: 10ks tyt
[10:39] <bob2> prodigy: then the java instructions are wrong
[10:39] <HappyFool> prodigy: then you are trying to create a directory somewhere you don't have permission to
[10:39] <prodigy> why don't I have permission?
[10:39] <bob2> prodigy: because users don't screw around in /usr/, which is what the broken java software is trying to do
[10:40] <exhu> HappyFool, why top doesn't display all the tasks?
[10:40] <liraz> The_Vox, so it will first try *update* firefox to 1.0.6 then check if their are any security patches available in 'updates'?
[10:40] <HappyFool> exhu: i don't know; doesn't it?
[10:40] <liraz> *there
[10:41] <exhu> Applications->System Tools->System Monitor displays twice more tasks!
[10:41] <exhu> HappyFool, Applications->System Tools->System Monitor displays twice more tasks!
[10:41] <exhu> HappyFool, probably bug with terminal emulator?
[10:41] <HappyFool> exhu: maybe make you terminal window bigger, something like that
[10:42] <HappyFool> exhu: or start 'top' after resizing the terminal
[10:42] <HappyFool> LuNaTiK^GuY: hmm, i can't find the page i was thinking of
[10:42] <Ailleantsian> is there anyone here that could possibly help me with what seems to be a conflict ?
[10:42] <bob2> Ailleantsian: it's way easier if you just ask your question
[10:43] <prodigy> Im trying to install java and still encountering difficulties
[10:43] <bob2> yes, the instructions are broken
[10:43] <HappyFool> prodigy: what have you done so far?
[10:43] <bob2> just install it to ~/java/ or something
[10:43] <hhu33> the VLC media player playing the cd, as well as the stream, but i cant hear nothing...
[10:43] <exhu> HappyFool, yes it's terminal window small. But is top capable of navigating through the list of taks?
[10:43] <prodigy> I downloaded jdk-1_5-0-linux-1586.bin
[10:43] <bob2> yes, we know
[10:44] <Myrtti> thanks bob2
[10:44] <knowledge_> wow i'm tired...I'm off to sleep
[10:44] <prodigy> and I tried to go to desktop and put make-jpkg jdk etc.bin
[10:44] <HappyFool> exhu: type '?' to see help -- sorry, i don't know top all that well. usually i'm only interested in the 'upper' tasks
[10:44] <Ailleantsian> I am running ubuntu with KDE  my sound was working a treat then i installed ndiswrapper and my driver for my wlan and now  when i boot i get the messege that it was unable to start the device meaning my sound
[10:44] <knowledge_> later guys
[10:44] <hhu33> i forgot the comand to kill something then restart the player....
[10:44] <hhu33> anybody ?
[10:44] <bob2> prodigy: "etc.bin"?
[10:45] <HappyFool> prodigy: stand by, let me load the wiki page
[10:45] <bob2> hhu33: pkill esd, but that's a pretty shit solution
[10:45] <prodigy> make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin
[10:45] <hhu33> yeah, thats the command
[10:45] <HappyFool> prodigy: you need fakeroot for that
[10:45] <prodigy> but it kept telling me permission was denied when I tried to make a directory and it messed up or something
[10:45] <itay> I donwloaded BUM because I want to remove the time update from boot, but in "Startup and shutdown script"  the script "ntpupdate" can't be uncheck (the checkbox is grey). what can I do?
[10:45] <prodigy> I have fakeroot
[10:45] <LuNaTiK^GuY> isnt all java stuff available from synaptic? its easy to install no?
[10:45] <HappyFool> prodigy: the exact command is 'fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin'
[10:45] <WeirdAl> k never mind
[10:45] <bob2> itay: just leave it
[10:45] <WeirdAl> thxbai
[10:45] <Myrtti> wtf
[10:45] <l4k3n70> I Have 2 SATA and one IDE and I want to dual boot unbuntu and WINXP do i need SATA drivers to install unbuntu on the SATA drive that I have Windows on
[10:45] <bob2> itay: or rm it from /etc/rcS.d/
[10:46] <Myrtti> now my localhost sends me messages stating "localhost"
[10:46] <hhu33> thanks bob2 , the command works
[10:46] <hhu33> :)
[10:46] <prodigy> that's what I did
[10:46] <hhu33> i can play the streams very clear now
[10:46] <hhu33> :)
[10:46] <prodigy> But..it says permission denied when creating directories
[10:47] <hhu33> by the way, what ESD mean ?
[10:47] <itay> bob2, I want to remove it because it takes 20 seconds every boot and fails
[10:47] <HappyFool> prodigy: you typed that exact command?
[10:47] <bob2> itay: sounds like your network is broken
[10:47] <bob2> itay: anyway, rm will do the job
[10:47] <prodigy> yes
[10:47] <prodigy> I'm trying it again right now
[10:47] <exhu> HappyFool, how to setup console font and console (text-mode) display character mappings and kbd layout?
[10:48] <holycow> itay, just uninstall the ntupdate package
[10:48] <prodigy> mkdir: cannot creature directory <> Permission denied
[10:48] <l4k3n70> I Have 2 SATA and one IDE and I want to dual boot unbuntu and WINXP do i need SATA drivers to install unbuntu on the SATA drive that I have Windows on
[10:48] <HappyFool> exhu: um. you can change the font with 'Edit -> Current Profile' -- i don't know about the other stuff
[10:48] <HappyFool> exhu: oh, you don't have gnome
[10:48] <Ailleantsian> i need a reboot brb
[10:48] <HappyFool> exhu: sorry, i'm not sure
[10:49] <hhu33> how to install a .bin file ?
[10:49] <HappyFool> prodigy: hmm. that looks odd. What does 'pwd' say?
[10:49] <Computer__Guru> hhu33: chmod +x whatever.bin && ./whatever.bin
[10:49] <thespiritoftal> how can i extract a *.tar.gz archive?when I do tar -zxf foo.tar.gz it gives error saying "gzip: stdin: not in gzip format" Can anyone help?
[10:50] <hhu33> ok
[10:50] <HappyFool> thespiritoftal: run 'file foo.tar.gz' -- it will try to guess what kind of file it is
[10:50] <Computer__Guru> try tar jxf
[10:50] <HappyFool> thespiritoftal: maybe it's not gzipped, (i.e., plain tar), in which case, just tar xf foo.tar.gz will work
[10:50] <Computer__Guru> ah
[10:51] <hhu33> tar: ./realplay: Cannot change ownership to uid 501, gid 501: Operation not perm
[10:51] <exhu> HappyFool, I meant when I am without X, in case of a server installation
[10:51] <HappyFool> exhu: yeah, i realized that. sorry, i'm not clued up on tweaking console fonts
[10:52] <prodigy> what is pwd?
[10:52] <HappyFool> print working directory
[10:52] <prodigy> when i type that in it says home/prodigy/desktop
[10:52] <Ailleantsian> no it didnt work :(
[10:52] <hhu33> It says the .bin file was installed successfull but I cant see it in the Applications menu
[10:52] <hhu33> :(\
[10:53] <prodigy> I still haven't successfully gotten past fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin
[10:53] <prodigy> when trying to install Java
[10:53] <Ailleantsian> the error i am getting is : sound server informational messege: error while initializing the sound driver, device: default cant be opened for playback(no suh device
[10:54] <Ailleantsian> but was working before i installed ndiswrapper :(
[10:54] <Ailleantsian> and got my device to run
[10:54] <HappyFool> prodigy: can you maybe paste the whole error, with the command, to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl ?
[10:54] <prodigy> does jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin have to be somewhere other than the desktop?
[10:55] <HappyFool> prodigy: it should work there
[10:55] <prodigy> maybe it has something to do where it says full name[root] 
[10:56] <HappyFool> prodigy: please paste the full error up on the pastebin
[10:56] <LuNaTiK^GuY> !alsa
[10:56] <ubotu> LuNaTiK^GuY: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:56] <LuNaTiK^GuY> errr ;) how cna i configure alsa?
[10:56] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :)
[10:56] <prodigy> how do I do that?
[10:56] <hhu33> also when I install some programs from PMS, It will say that it was installed successfully but i cant see it in the Applications menu. Where did they all go ?
[10:56] <HappyFool> prodigy: point your browser (firefox) to the url
[10:57] <HappyFool> prodigy: then, select the text in the terminal window with the mouse, right click and choose Copy. Then, right click on the text box in the browser, and choose paste
[10:57] <bob2> hhu33: they're installed but don't have menu items
[10:57] <chaitat> hi guys, how can i convert .mp3 into .wma
[10:57] <bob2> hhu33: add menu items if you care, or just run them from the run command box or the terminal
[10:58] <bob2> chaitat: why do you want to do that?
[10:58] <setite> how do i uninstall
[10:58] <setite> with dpkg
[10:58] <hhu33> bob2, which directory they go installed ?
[10:58] <HappyFool> Ailleantsian: try checking in 'lsmod' to see if your sound driver has been loaded
[10:58] <chaitat> bob2, my gf have asked me to do that without any reason Y_Y
[10:58] <prodigy> okay I posted it
[10:58] <hhu33> all the programs from PMS
[10:58] <bob2> setite: dpkg --remove blah
[10:58] <chaitat> bob2, she's running winxp
[10:58] <bob2> hhu33: I don't know what "PMS" means
[10:58] <hhu33> is it in the /tmp ?
[10:58] <HappyFool> Ailleantsian: also, look in /var/log/dmesg for error messages relating to sound
[10:59] <hhu33> Package Management System
[10:59] <hhu33> sorry
[10:59] <bob2> hhu33: but they get installed to lots of places.  binaries usually end up in /usr/bin/
[10:59] <chaitat> bob2,  Pulse width Modulation Somehing :P
[10:59] <HappyFool> chaitat: afaik windows media player can play mp3s (?)
[10:59] <HappyFool> prodigy: loading it now
[10:59] <chaitat> HappyFool, yup with a codec
[10:59] <setite> ok how is there another way to uninstall
[10:59] <chaitat> HappyFool, any simple way to convert it to wma?  I only know how to convert wma to mp3
[11:00] <hhu33> thanks a lot bob2  :)
[11:00] <bob2> setite: if you're having a problem, just tell us what it is
[11:00] <Ailleantsian> Happyfool the sound was working before I got my wlan working
[11:00] <setite> i need to remove point2play because i didnt install it under the chroot
[11:00] <hhu33> is there a GUI program for configuring IP tables >?
[11:00] <bob2> setite: I assume something is throwing an error?
[02:19] <scena> Question. How do you modify /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ?
[02:20] <prodigy> what are torrents and how do I use them?
[02:20] <scena> Everytiem I try, it won't let me.
[02:20] <bob2> scena: echo 1 | sudo tee -o /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[02:22] <prodigy> change name
[02:22] <scena> bob: why is it i have to do it that way, erather than use a text editor?
[02:23] <bob2> because it's not a text file
[02:23] <LasseL> prodigy, you should have a program installed called gnome bittorrent
[02:23] <tom__> Hey, I've just downloaded and installed MonoDevelop (an IDE for .net languages) and I am unable to find it on the Applications or using 'apropos', however I can run it if I type 'monodevelop' in the console, is there any way I can put a link on my Applications menu for it?
[02:23] <HappyFool> prodigy: http://www.bittorrent.com/ for more
[02:23] <scena> it says -o is an invalid option
[02:23] <bob2> !+smeg
[02:23] <ubotu> from memory, smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[02:23] <LasseL> prodigy, a torrent is like a link -- feed the torrent to a bittorrent program and you will get the file
[02:24] <Amaranth> we got + for public now?
[02:24] <bob2> scena: ah, indeed, my mistake. echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[02:24] <Ocid> tom__: which monodevelop gives you the path
[02:24] <prodigy> how do I feed the bittorent the link?
[02:24] <scena> permission denied
[02:24] <tom__> Ocid: Hmm, I don't really understand what you mean
[02:24] <LasseL> prodigy, the torrent is a small file that you download
[02:24] <bob2> scena: make sure you typed exactly what I said
[02:25] <Ocid> tom__: just type 'which monodevelop' on the console
[02:25] <prodigy> I think I got it
[02:25] <scena> i did
[02:25] <tom__> Ocid: /usr/bin/monodevelop
[02:25] <scena> sudo echo 1 | tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[02:26] <LasseL> prodigy, here's a better program: http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/#azureus
[02:26] <tom__> Ocid: How do I then make a link in my Applications menu to this? In fact, I'll check the wiki
[02:26] <Ocid> tom__: then use smeg
[02:26] <Ocid> !smeg
[02:26] <ubotu> smeg is probably a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[02:26] <LasseL> prodigy, i meant http://ubuntuguide.org/#azureus
[02:26] <Amaranth> ack
[02:26] <bob2> scena: no, that's not what I said
[02:26] <bob2> scena: try again
[02:26] <Amaranth> my computer beeps when you say smeg
[02:26] <scena> bob: can you retype it? im on a crappy telnet irc client & its scrolled by
[02:26] <LasseL> smeg, smeg, smeg
[02:26] <bob2> 22:24:04 @         bob2 | scena: ah, indeed, my mistake. echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[02:27] <scena> Ah! ok, i see
[02:27] <scena> sudfo was iun the wrong spot
[02:27] <scena> makes sense
[02:27] <scena> one sec
[02:27] <scena> bob: that was it. worked like a champo
[02:27] <scena> bob: thanks!!
[02:28] <yonil> how is the file defining mounting points called ?
[02:28] <bob2>  /etc/fstab
[02:28] <yonil> thanks
[02:29] <tom__> Thanks Ocid :)
[02:32] <MrMo> any idea how I could figure out why on earth my awstats script in /etc/cron.d/ is not getting picked up by cron?
[02:32] <MrMo> this is really annoying. I hardly want to run it by hand myself.
[02:36] <LuNaTiK^GuY> how can i add a new theme to kopete?
[02:36] <MrMo> okay looked like a switch in the /etc/init.d/cron script
[02:37] <vinboy> :-o
[02:37] <prodigy> I have three files to install a program, control.tar.gz data.tar.gz and debian-binary, what do I do with them?
[02:37] <Determinist> something very strange is going on with this system. hda = ubuntu drive, hdb = windows xp drive. both bootable. hda has grub with a windows xp entry. when the windows XP drive is in (i have HD drawers) it boots into windows even if the windows drive is slave ignoring hda with grub entirely.
[02:37] <bob2> prodigy: you complain to whoever gave them to you
[02:38] <Determinist> when the windows drive isnt it , grub loads like a charm
[02:38] <bob2> please don't tell me you attacked a .deb with file-roller
[02:38] <Determinist> s/it/in
[02:38] <Determinist> help please
[02:38] <Seveas> Determinist, look at your bios....
[02:38] <bob2> please don't do that
[02:38] <Seveas> the boot ordere is determined in there
[02:38] <bob2> you asked for help, now wait
[02:39] <Determinist> bob2, ok
[02:39] <Determinist> Seveas, my bios has hd as first boot device and Cdrom as 2nd. it shouldnt boot from the slave first then master ... that just doesnt make sense
[02:39] <Seveas> prodigy, ditch these files and use the .deb file that you pulled them from
[02:40] <prodigy> how do I use a .deb file?  I'm a newb
[02:40] <Seveas> Determinist, having two drives bootable already sounds odd to me...
[02:40] <Seveas> prodigy, dpkg -i filename.deb
[02:40] <Ocid> prodigy: dpkg -i debfilehere
[02:40] <bob2> prodigy: what are you trying to do now?
[02:40] <Seveas> where did you get the debfile from?
[02:40] <Determinist> Seveas, did that to allow grub to boot into winxp
[02:40] <Seveas> prodigy, you almost never have to touch .deb files yourself..
[02:41] <Determinist> is there some way to remove the boot record from the winxp drive?
[02:42] <Seveas> prodigy, software usually is installed from a repository with the package manager
[02:42] <eruin> does anyone in here know what's required for nm-vpn-properties to not complain about missing vpn software?
[02:42] <Seveas> Determinist, cfdisk can do that for you, but be careful with it
[02:42] <Determinist> cfdisk?
[02:43] <nuky> what's the command to find out if something is installed on my system? is it grep something?
[02:43] <Seveas> nuky, dpkg -l
[02:43] <Nameeater> dpkg -l packagename
[02:43] <Seveas> Determinist, that's a program for managing partitions :)
[02:43] <Seveas> sudo cfdisk (in a terminal)
[02:43] <Mobius> any suggestions for addressbook packages?
[02:43] <nuky> oh.. oh, egrep is searching for files.. thanks
[02:44] <razerslut> can someone help me with installing a different login for gnome?
[02:44] <carol> Hi all, I need some help with connecting to the internet with a 56k analog modem in Hoary. Basically, how do I do it?
[02:44] <Seveas> razerslut, be a bit more specific. Do you mean a login manager theme or a new user?
[02:44] <Nameeater> carol: is it an internal?
[02:45] <razerslut> seveas: yes, login manager theme
[02:45] <razerslut> i know there is a dialouge to speed this along but i cannot find it now
[02:45] <carol> Yes, it is a Conexant HSF and appears in the Device Manage list
[02:45] <bob2> that would make it a winmodem, which will be annoying to get working
[02:46] <Nameeater> you require the linuxant drivers which I think unfortunately cost money to get anything better than 14.4k
[02:46] <carol> It has worked with other Debian distros, so I don't know if it is just me or if it lack of a driver
[02:46] <LinuxJones> razerslut, you want to install a new gnome login screen ?
[02:46] <nuky> is there a repository that has ctags install?
[02:46] <nuky> oh it's called exuberant-ctags
[02:46] <kestas> can windows use linux modems?
[02:46] <nuky> sorry guys
[02:46] <carol> Nameeater: how do I know if the driver is loaded?
[02:47] <HappyFool> kestas: that sounds a bit backwards. Do you perhaps mean can linux use winmodems ?
[02:47] <LinuxJones> carol, for a list of loaded modules do lsmod
[02:47] <razerslut> linuxjones: yes.
[02:47] <Nameeater> carol: I'm not sure sorry :) its doubtful it would come with it preloaded
[02:47] <razerslut> carol: hi
[02:47] <kestas> nope I know linux cant use winmodems, but I dont know if windows can use linmodems or not
[02:47] <prodigy> what do I do after I unpack a .deb and it's says setting up?
[02:48] <kestas> (cant use winmodems without hassle I mean)
[02:48] <prodigy> app-get update?
[02:48] <Morti> prodigy: Wait?
[02:48] <Seveas> razerslut, art.gnome.org/faw.php
[02:48] <HappyFool> kestas: i don't think there is such a thing as a "linmodem" that is not really a winmodem
[02:48] <Seveas> razerslut, art.gnome.org/faq.php
[02:48] <Nameeater> kestas: a linmodem is just a modem that works in linux, as far as I'm away there is no such thing a strickly linux modem
[02:48] <HappyFool> kestas: if you know of one, i'd be curious to know what is is
[02:48] <Seveas> prodigy, nothing :)
[02:48] <Arafangion> kestas: A linmodem that windows can't use will never really exist, as presumeably the linmodem driver is made free.
[02:48] <Arafangion> kestas: And thus it can be reverse engineered.
[02:49] <prodigy> how do I run the program?
[02:49] <Seveas> depends on what it is
[02:49] <kestas> okay thanks
[02:49] <LinuxJones> razerslut, sudo gdmsetup then go to Graphical Greeter then Install new theme
[02:49] <razerslut> yeah, that's what i did. remember now. =D
[02:50] <LinuxJones> razerslut, of course you will have to have a new theme already downloaded
[02:50] <carol> Nameeater: I don't see the modem when doing lsmod; however, it just might be that the module isn't loaded in memory.
[02:50] <LinuxJones> :)
[02:51] <liable> carol: how did you get it working in debian?
[02:51] <carol> Nameeater: When I go to the Network configuration utility there is a device listed for the modem
[02:51] <Nameeater> whats stopping it from working?
[02:52] <lenin> hi, anyone connected from spain to give me some help please ???
[02:52] <carol> Nameeater: The interface is ppp0 and in properties the device is /dev/modem; however, there is no /dev/modem file in /dev
[02:52] <LinuxJones> carol, can you configure the modem under the device properties ?
[02:52] <carol> Nameeater: This modem worked with Xandros Debian
[02:52] <Determinist> Seveas, if i use cfdisk to alter the boot flag on hdb1 , could that corrupt the data on it?
[02:53] <prodigy> root@Ubuntu:/home/prodigy # dpkg -i  cedega_4.4-1_i386.deb
[02:53] <prodigy> (Reading database ... 59845 files and directories currently installed.)
[02:53] <prodigy> Preparing to replace cedega 4.4-1 (using cedega_4.4-1_i386.deb) ...
[02:53] <prodigy> Unpacking replacement cedega ...
[02:53] <prodigy> Setting up cedega (4.4-1) ...
[02:53] <prodigy> how do I use cedega now?
[02:53] <lsuactiafner> Determinist : might.
[02:53] <konrad> prodigy: from command line: cedege game.exe
[02:53] <PIANIST> prodigy: cedega <path to exe file>
[02:53] <carol> Hi LinuxJones: I can access the pages and put the parameters in; however, auto detect does not work, probably because there is no /dev/modem file, but I don't know how to create one.
[02:54] <liable> carol: dunno, try installing slmodem package.
[02:54] <konrad> or use point2play application (if you have LEGAL version of cedega, you have this too)
[02:54] <LinuxJones> carol, what kind of modem is it ?
[02:54] <lsuactiafner> prodigy : cedega winnt32.exe
[02:54] <lenin> hi, anyone connected from spain to give me some help please ???
[02:54] <bob2> trying to run winnt32.exe sounds like a bad idea
[02:54] <bob2> lenin: #ubuntu-es
[02:54] <carol> LinuxJones: It is a conexant HSF
[02:55] <lsuactiafner> conexant sucks.
[02:55] <carol> liable: Thanks for the suggestion. What is slmodem package?
[02:55] <konrad> carol: uhh, you have a big problem
[02:55] <lsuactiafner> whenever i see something made by emi dont use it..
[02:55] <konrad> carol: connexant linux drivers are not free
[02:55] <lsuactiafner> slmodem is for lucent i think...
[02:56] <anne> what is the best program to use for downloading music
[02:56] <konrad> carol: if you still have Xandros, try to copy DEB from them
[02:56] <HappyFool> slmodem is for smartlink
[02:56] <konrad> anne: wget :)
[02:56] <konrad> anne: use what you like
[02:56] <anne> do i find that i synaptic
[02:56] <carol> konrad: how do I know which is the right DEB file?
[02:56] <lsuactiafner> carol : best thing you can do is to buy a new lucent internal modem for almost the same price as a movie ticket
[02:56] <lsuactiafner> they work in linux
[02:56] <konrad> anne: if you want torrent, use torrent, emule - use aMule or xMule
[02:56] <lsuactiafner> but an externalmodem is btter
[02:57] <lsuactiafner> wget rocks
[02:57] <ColonelKernel> i cant even remember the last time I used a modem
[02:57] <HappyFool> carol: you can try going here and see what scanModem suggests: http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/
[02:57] <konrad> carol: I don't know, try to find cnx* package
[02:57] <carol> lsuactiafner: Thanks and that is a good option. Is this something I can get locally at CompUSA or similar place?
[02:57] <LinuxJones> carol, this might be of some use to help get you up and running >> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-9323.html
[02:57] <anne> konrad: i am used to emule in windows, but how can i download that into ubuntu
[02:58] <konrad> apt-get install amule
[02:58] <konrad> or use synaptic
[02:58] <anne> thank you
[02:58] <razerslut> hi
[02:58] <podge> Anyone here running nforce2?
[02:58] <konrad> carol: if you are using kernel 2.4 (probalby U R using 2.6 ;/) I can send you free drivers
[02:59] <konrad> anne: no problem
[02:59] <konrad> carol: but for linux 2.6 U have to pay :/ or try copy it from Xandros, little chance to work :(
[03:00] <konrad> carol: best way is to buy used external modem - they are not expencieve now and works better
[03:04] <carol> konrad: I am using Hoary, which I think is 2.6.
[03:04] <Nameeater> carol have you tried using the other ttyS1 etc instead of /dev/modem?
[03:04] <carol> LinuxJones: That is a great link! It will take some to read it in depth.
[03:05] <konrad> carol: yes :( every moder distro is using 2.6, so you can;t use free (as in beer) drivers
[03:05] <carol> Nameeater: Good question. Yeah, I tried that.
[03:05] <LinuxJones> carol, have fun :)
[03:06] <razerslut> how can i change my splash screen?
[03:06] <konrad> Nameeater: if he is using Connexant chipset based modem, he won't get it work without expensieve drivers
[03:07] <Nameeater> konrad: well some how s/he(?) got it working before, so it is worth looking into...
[03:07] <scorpio2002> hi there!
[03:07] <scorpio2002> I need help with vsftpd. I can't get it to work anymore
[03:07] <konrad> Nameeater: s/he had Xandros, it provides connexant drivers
[03:07] <scorpio2002> if you can, take a look at the last post: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=268203#post268203
[03:08] <bob2> scorpio2002: "anymore"?
[03:08] <konrad> Nameeater: I had suh modem (HSF based) - without that drivers it is imposible to get it work
[03:08] <Nameeater> konrad: ah :)
[03:08] <carol> Konrad: Nameeater: LinuxJones: I will probably will get a new modem, but it will have to be a pcmcia modem. Any suggestion as to which is good?
[03:08] <scorpio2002> bob2, yes...
[03:08] <scorpio2002> I installed it and it was working
[03:08] <LinuxJones> razerslut, in gdmsetup make sure you have graphical greeter selected for "Local" logins. Download a new theme and install in the Graphical Greeter section of gdmsetup. Then select the theme once installed and that should be it.
[03:08] <scorpio2002> I mean
[03:08] <scorpio2002> I could get it to run
[03:08] <bob2> scorpio2002: then what did you change that stopped it working?
[03:08] <scorpio2002> now I can't
[03:09] <scorpio2002> bob2, the conf file
[03:09] <scorpio2002> but I have even restored back the old one
[03:09] <bob2> so change it back
[03:09] <razerslut> linuxjones: that works for logins and splash screens?
[03:09] <scorpio2002> bob2, already done
[03:09] <scorpio2002> I even uninstalled and reinstalled it via apt-get :|
[03:09] <LinuxJones> carol, I don't have any pcmcia devices :(
[03:09] <konrad> carol: don't know - I haven't used modems for very long time, especially pcmcia (on fact, I'v never used pcmcia card :p)
[03:09] <scorpio2002> don't knwo what the hell is going on :P
[03:10] <razerslut> me either
[03:10] <razerslut> in fact
[03:10] <razerslut> AAGH
[03:10] <razerslut> THE PANIO
[03:10] <LinuxJones> razerslut, sorry I mis-understood :D
[03:11] <konrad> carol: try google: pcmcia modem linux :)
[03:12] <nuky> hi, has anyone download the JavaBrowser plugin for vim and got it working?
[03:12] <razerslut> can you explain the splash screen process? cuz i know it is different
[03:12] <konrad> carol: http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/SUPPORTED.CARDS
[03:12] <carol> konrad: Nameeater: LinuxJones: Thanks for all the help and advice.
[03:12] <razerslut> that must really suck to have a piece of hardware that just wont work with your os
[03:12] <razerslut> DAMN THE MAN.
[03:14] <ayk> hi, when the broken firefox will be withdrawn from the official deposit?
[03:14] <LinuxJones> carol, GL :)
[03:14] <konrad> wha tis wrong with Firefox?
[03:15] <HappyFool> konrad: seems to break with extensions
[03:15] <razerslut> can someone explain how to change my splash screens?
[03:15] <HappyFool> konrad: there's a longish thread on ubuntuforums about it
[03:15] <ayk> ayk: it is a very disturbing problem, all the newbies are lost and the reputation of ubuntu in suffered......
[03:16] <konrad> HappyFool: OK - but for me it works :)
[03:16] <NESticle> wow this channel is massive.
[03:16] <bob2> razerslut: be more specific
[03:16] <highvoltage> razerslut: which ones?
[03:16] <bob2> ayk: when it's fixed
[03:16] <bob2> razerslut: do you mean the gnome ones?
[03:16] <highvoltage> razerslut: gdm themes are in /usr/share/gdm/themes
[03:17] <chowenne> hey
[03:17] <highvoltage> various other splash screens are in /usr/share/pixmaps
[03:17] <razerslut> yes gdm splash screens
[03:17] <razerslut> not the login screens. i've downloaded some from gnomelook.org and want to install them
[03:18] <highvoltage> gdm uses xml-like theming.
[03:18] <chowenne> is there anybody who talks netherlands
[03:18] <razerslut> do i need to edit a config file?
[03:18] <highvoltage> /usr/share/pixmaps/splash
[03:18] <highvoltage> just backup the old one and replace with a new one.
[03:18] <HappyFool> chowenne: try joining #ubuntu-nl
[03:18] <LinuxJones> chowenne, you can join #ubuntu-nl
[03:18] <Seveas> chowenne, ja
[03:19] <chowenne> ok fijn
[03:20] <razerslut> highvoltage: thank you
[03:20] <razerslut> what is #ubuntu-nl?
[03:20] <chowenne> seveas:kan jij me uitleggen hoe dit hie werkt
[03:20] <razerslut> ah
[03:20] <razerslut> i see.
[03:21] <djp> razerslut: applications/configuration editor/apps/gnome-session/options
[03:21] <razerslut> even better
[03:21] <razerslut> thank you
[03:21] <djp> razorslut: then just edit the location of splash_image
[03:23] <chowenne> can anone tel me what the meening is from this chatroom
[03:24] <HappyFool> chowenne: this chat room is for ubuntu linux
[03:24] <HappyFool> chowenne: www.ubuntulinux.org
[03:24] <LinuxJones> chowenne, it's a help channel
[03:24] <chowenne> ok thanks
[03:27] <razerslut> TROYBM IS OFFENDING ME
[03:27] <chowenne> is there a posibility for to download  a shockwave plugin at ubuntu?
[03:28] <phixion_> i keep getting random crashed in firefox when clicking on some links... any ideas?
[03:28] <phixion_> crashes*
[03:28] <HappyFool> chowenne: only flash, not shockware, i think
[03:28] <HappyFool> phixion: have you updated firefox recently?
[03:28] <hondje> no shockwave
[03:28] <hondje> macromedia hates us :(
[03:28] <HappyFool> phixion: see /topic -- latest firefox is broken, probably due to extensions
[03:29] <chowenne> ok i dont know much about ubuntu, i just have it
[03:29] <phixion_> I did a fresh install yesterday
[03:29] <phixion_> and did an upgrade... i have 1.0.2 with all latest security patches
[03:29] <joolz> HappyFool: any sign of a solution?
[03:30] <HappyFool> joolz: i don't know -- i'm just a user ;)
[03:30] <knudsen_> Hello. I am running Ubuntu on my laptop and on my server. If I login to my server (using ssh -X), I get error messages like "unable to open display" if I try to start programs like gftp-gtk. What can be wrong?
[03:31] <joolz> HappyFool: so am i, but i'm mostly on #ubuntu-nl, not here
[03:31] <HappyFool> joolz: from what i've heard here, i believe even the mozilla distributed 1.0.6 has problems
[03:31] <joolz> omg
[03:31] <hondje> knudsen_: is X running on the server?
[03:31] <phixion_> HappyFool, im using an updated 1.0.2.. surely that shouldn't crash?
[03:31] <joolz> phixion_: you bet it will
[03:31] <phixion_> gah
[03:31] <joolz> on hoary, too
[03:31] <hondje> API changed or something
[03:31] <joolz> yes
[03:31] <HappyFool> phixion: the updates include security fixes up to 1.0.6
[03:32] <phixion_> whys it taking so long to sort it
[03:32] <HappyFool> phixion: so, unfortunately, it will break
[03:32] <joolz> phixion_: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12854
[03:32] <HappyFool> phixion: it's not hard to downgrade
[03:32] <knudsen_> hondje: hmmm ... how do I check that?
[03:32] <HappyFool> phixion: oh, maybe it is
[03:32] <hondje> knudsen_: hrm, I suppose ps aux | grep X11 would show it
[03:33] <knudsen_> hondje: it's not running. I'll see if I can start it in some way.
[03:33] <hondje> knudsen_: okay, if you get stuck I'm sure I or someone could help you get it going :)
[03:34] <knudsen_> hondje: I would appreciate any help at this step so I am not screwing anything up :-) I guess that apt-get install the_right_package will do the trick.
[03:34] <hondje> knudsen_: depends on what your server is running
[03:35] <knudsen_> hondje: Just the standard ubuntu server installation.
[03:35] <hondje> knudsen_: if it's debian or ubuntu, apt-get will do all the work for you, and since you have ubuntu running on your laptop it wont' take much work
[03:35] <hondje> oh, okay
[03:35] <hondje> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg 'should' do the trick
[03:35] <anne> how do i get my printer to work in ubuntu, it is  a brother dcp-4020c
[03:36] <hondje> I haven't tried to install JUST X without the rest in ubuntu
[03:36] <scorpio2002> is there an expert about vsftpd? :D
[03:36] <sorush20> guys I'm having problems ejecting a CD
[03:36] <bob2> that's an annoying way to ask a question, fwiw
[03:36] <scorpio2002> I need help. can't get the anonymous user to upload file
[03:36] <sorush20> its a CD rw .. can anyone help please
[03:36] <bob2> sorush20: ask on the ubuntu-user mailing list
[03:36] <knudsen_> hondje: Thanks, I'll try that.
[03:36] <sorush20> where is that?
[03:36] <sorush20> bob2 where is that
[03:36] <knudsen_> anne: try system --> administration --> printing
[03:36] <bob2> bah
[03:37] <bob2> scorpio2002: ask on the ubuntu-user list
[03:37] <bob2> sorush20: explain what your problem is
[03:37] <scorpio2002> bob2, I managed to get vsftp to work again, but I can't get the anonymous user to upload files :| I checked the conf file and i enabled "anon-upload"
[03:37] <HappyFool> sorush20: is the CD mounted?
[03:37] <sorush20> no..
[03:37] <scorpio2002> bob2,ok, thank you :D
[03:37] <sorush20> its not mounting
[03:37] <hondje> what kind of CD is it
[03:37] <sorush20> CRW
[03:38] <hondje> if it's an audio cd, you don't want to mount it
[03:38] <sorush20> data
[03:38] <hondje> wait, it's not mounted but you can't eject it?
[03:38] <sorush20> yes...
[03:38] <hondje> 'mount' doesn't show it?
[03:39] <sorush20> no..
[03:39] <chowenne> is there anyone who has a sugestion for fine movieplayer for ubuntu
[03:39] <sorush20> when I try to mount it doesn't work
[03:39] <hondje> what error does it give you
[03:39] <sorush20> nothing.. at all..
[03:39] <hondje> then how do you know it doesn't work?
[03:40] <sorush20> good media plyer for ubuntu is xine... or mmx..
[03:40] <HappyFool> i'm watching 'the two towers' with xine right now. works for me.
[03:40] <chowenne> ok i will have a look
[03:40] <joolz> mplayer
[03:40] <sorush20> well the CD is in there and its not coming out even when I press eject..
[03:40] <joolz> but i prefer it to the others
[03:40] <joolz> "feels" better
[03:41] <phixion_> chowenne try vlc too, apt-get install vlc
[03:41] <dam> i found music player that works fines
[03:41] <hondje> sorush20: what does fuser /media/cdrom0 say? (or cdrom1)
[03:41] <HappyFool> sorush20: if mount returns no message, then it probably worked
[03:41] <chowenne> ok
[03:42] <trevi> sorush20...open a terminal... umount <cdrom>
[03:42] <sorush20> nothing..
[03:42] <razerslut> http://www.chrisruzin.net/images/uploads/dancing_boy.gif
[03:42] <HappyFool> on the command-line, no message usually means success ;)
[03:42] <sorush20> fuser /media/cdrom0 returns no command reply
[03:43] <hondje> he said it wasn't shown after running mount
[03:43] <basti> omg fucking radeon drivers are worthless
[03:43] <sorush20> I just stuck a paper clip in the cdrom hole to manual relase it...
[03:43] <hondje> that's one way to do it
[03:43] <chowenne> phixion:its maby a stupit question but do i have to download vlc or what?
[03:44] <anne> i cannot find my printer in ubuntu system, what do i do
[03:44] <trevi> chowene...download xine first
[03:44] <phixion_> yes chowenne
[03:44] <HappyFool> anne: maybe look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters
[03:44] <phixion_> type: sudo apt-get install vlc
[03:45] <andares> Hi.
[03:45] <sorush20> is there a command that I can blank the CDRW... you see when I use CDDVD creator there is no such option , however there is an option in the CD Baker program..
[03:45] <andares> What does /etc/apt/preferences do?
[03:46] <sorush20> I've tried both but they don't work could someone give me the command line for the blanking CD
[03:46] <phixion_> sudo umount /dev/cdrom
[03:46] <phixion_> cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom blank=fast
[03:46] <HappyFool> andares: you can put 'Pinning' setup there, for one. Download the apt-howto and read it for more
[03:46] <andares> HappyFool, I'm just following a tutorial!
[03:46] <andares> It says I can't install a package because it doesn't have version info.
[03:46] <mpmc> Whats that about Firefox?
[03:47] <andares> I think that's what is in /etc/apt/preferences.
[03:47] <mpmc> join #php
[03:47] <hondje> never!
[03:47] <mpmc> oops
[03:47] <hondje> :0
[03:47] <HappyFool> andares: o
[03:47] <basti> anyone that is very pro and could help me install/configure radeon drivers by connecting to me via vnc?
[03:47] <HappyFool> hmm
[03:47] <joolz> mpmc: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12854
[03:47] <sorush20> I get the message that Unable to mount media there is probebly no media in the drive.. ? can anyone help...
[03:47] <HappyFool> andares: i'm not following
[03:47] <hondje> !tell basti about ati
[03:47] <andares> Ah.
[03:48] <andares> Also, Forcing version is CRASHING SYNAPTIC! :(
[03:48] <hondje> sorush20: what's on that cd right now
[03:48] <andares> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20216
[03:48] <andares> I'm trying to complete this.
[03:48] <sorush20> data files.. no music..
[03:48] <hondje> how are you trying to mount it?
[03:48] <heike> hi
[03:48] <sorush20> I now get the message that the CD is in an unknown format and can not be mounted...
[03:49] <andares> HappyFool, why is this not working? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20216
[03:49] <HappyFool> andares: it's loading.
[03:49] <heike> hallo peter pinguin hier
[03:49] <sorush20> Just a few min.. ago the CD was mounted and I could see the data on the CD and also read from it.. however when I tried to blank the CD using the GUI CD Baker it seemed to crash and I had to use the Paper clip to manually eject..
[03:50] <heike> hallo peter pinguin hier
[03:50] <hondje> sorush20: how are you trying to mount it? What are doing exactly?
[03:50] <just_in> hi - mplayer, xmms and totem are having problems playing sound - totem will show video, mplayer and xmms hang
[03:50] <hondje> usinga  gui, using mount in a terminal...?
[03:51] <chowenne> eindelijk iemand die nederlands spreekt een vraag je ik kan ik mijn paketten bij syppakketbeheer heb opgehaals niet meer vinden
[03:51] <just_in> but my system sounds work fine
[03:51] <andares> HappyFool, wow... On a 56k?
[03:51] <chowenne> kan iemand mij daar mee helpen
[03:51] <hondje> chowenne: #ubuntu-nl
[03:51] <sorush20> hondje I go to My COmputer and right click on the drive and select mount.. however this is the reply the I get at the moment...
[03:51] <sorush20> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,
[03:51] <sorush20>        missing codepage or other error
[03:51] <sorush20>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[03:51] <sorush20>        dmesg | tail  or so
[03:51] <HappyFool> andares: erk. this is taking long
[03:51] <HappyFool> andares: yip
[03:51] <mpmc> Damm... Partition Magic!
[03:51] <NuuB> i followed the lamp for hoary wiki install verbatim - i found apache is running suexec, yet apache says they dont put it in the default install and it is not for beginners - so the ubuntu install has it in the default config - why?
[03:51] <chowenne> ok
[03:52] <HappyFool> chowenne: /join #ubuntu-nl -- if Seveas is there, he'll be able to help
[03:52] <hondje> sorush20: open a terminal and type in dmesg | tail and paste it in #flood
[03:52] <mpmc> I resized the partition with Partition Magic which messed up UB' So I had to reinstall.. :@
[03:53] <xP> hi
[03:53] <razerslut> hi
[03:53] <HavoK> hi
[03:53] <xP> peter pinguin
[03:53] <xP> peter pinguin
[03:53] <xP> peter pinguin
[03:53] <xP> peter pinguin
[03:53] <razerslut> ok
[03:53] <razerslut> it is penguin though
[03:53] <razerslut> k?
[03:53] <NuuB> i know ubuntu is not exclusively for beginners, but it is the best for beginners i have ever found. i was under the impression that ubuntu's developers made it to some extent with beginners in mind
[03:53] <xP> i search tehm
[03:54] <xP> peter pinguin
[03:54] <sorush20> how do I use the flood
[03:54] <sorush20> #flood
[03:54] <HappyFool> sorush20: /join #flood
[03:54] <HappyFool> then just paste whatever there
[03:54] <NuuB> so i am puzzled by suexec being there since it is considered advanced by the apache group
[03:54] <HappyFool> andares: still loading...
[03:55] <HappyFool> andares: are you running warty ?
[03:55] <just_in> I'm running hoary and I'm having a sound problem with totem, mplayer and xmms - totem plays video but no sound, while xmms and mplayer hang - can anyone point me in the right direction as to a fix?
[03:55] <HappyFool> NuuB: just having apache is relatively advanced for most desktop users ;)
[03:55] <phixion> just_in have you dloaded all the codecs?
[03:55] <bob2> xP: please don't do that again
[03:56] <HappyFool> just_in: you need to tell xmms to use the esd output; i think it's under preferences/setup, somewhere like that
[03:56] <sorush20> yes.. its in the flood..
[03:56] <_andreas> <a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21232">High frequency noise using kernel 2.6.10</a>  Can anyone help? When ACPI=OFF then the noise is gone, if ACPI=ON then acpi functions work, but the noise drives you crazy.
[03:56] <xP> halllllllooooooooo peter pinguin hier sash
[03:56] <sorush20> I've put the result of dmesg|tail
[03:56] <hondje> sorush20: I'd guess the CD is a coaster
[03:56] <HappyFool> just_in: i think something similar applies to mplayer -- maybe -ao esd, something like that
[03:56] <NuuB> if i had to guess, i would say it has to do with no root, and default user getting permissions and using sudo
[03:57] <just_in> HappyFool: thanks
[03:57] <sorush20> what do you mean a coaster..
[03:57] <sorush20> did you guys see the flood.
[03:57] <hondje> that it's bad
[03:57] <hondje> That's just my guess though, that sorta stuff isn't in my area of expertise
[03:57] <hondje> pretty much nothing is, now that I think about it
[03:57] <HappyFool> sorush20: rendered useless as a CD, but now usable as a coffee-cup coaster
[03:57] <nuky> how do i convert a text file in DOS format to UNIX format?
[03:58] <hondje> nuky: dos2unix <file> i believe
[03:58] <sorush20> linux rendered it useless... that's all I know..
[03:58] <lenin> hi, i can't automatise my dsl connection at startup. i need to execute two commands (eaglectrl -d and startadsl). any help please?
[03:58] <nuky> nah command not found..
[03:59] <NuuB> well yes, advanced for most desktop users, but most desktop users stick with windows - anyone trying to get into unix/linux is likely more advanced than the average desktop user, yet can still be not advanced enough to just be up and running with linux and certain daemons at an advanced administrative level
[03:59] <HappyFool> nuky, hondje: dos2unix is what i used on fedora, but i can't find it with apt-cache search
[03:59] <sorush20> right guys I'm about to use another cd here goes..
[03:59] <hondje> lenin: add them to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh maybe
[03:59] <NuuB> err, in reply to HappyFool
[03:59] <knudsen__> hondje: Sorry, but I lost connection. Did you answer my question about how to start the x-server? If not, then nevermind. Thanks anyway!
[03:59] <chowenne> bye bye
[04:00] <hondje> dag dag
[04:00] <SG1> ok, So I'm new to Ubuntu... and I'm wondering what the Ubuntu's name is for what Debian's testing and unstable are..
[04:00] <hondje> SG1: different system
[04:00] <SG1> hondje: could you explain
[04:00] <xP> halllllllooooooooo peter pinguin hier sash
[04:00] <hondje> each release is stable for 18 months, IIRC, and there's one unstable release (right now breezy)
[04:01] <HappyFool> andares: page has loaded. I see it's for warty, though
[04:01] <hondje> so in a couple more, as I understand it, there will be 3 stable releases
[04:01] <sorush20> Right this cRW is not mounted and I'm going to click on the make CD blank on the Gnome Baker
[04:01] <NuuB> why does ubuntu's default install of apache include suexec?
[04:01] <sorush20> is anyone using this program.. and should I know anything before I do this..
[04:01] <phixion> why not mount it first?
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> well.. I imagine it would blank the CD :)
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> phixion: you can't blank it when it's mounted
[04:02] <xP> l
[04:02] <phixion> ah k
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> and I assume he knows what's on the CD
[04:02] <sorush20> Yes it has been mounted already..
[04:02] <bodyc0unt> hallo
[04:02] <SG1> hondje: so.. if I wanted the lastest and greatest to mess around (I ran debian unstable on this previously....) ... I would use breezy?
[04:02] <sorush20> why can you blank it when its mounted...
[04:02] <sorush20> and what should I do..
[04:03] <hondje> SG1: Yes, but like Sid its undergoing major borkage thanks to switching to gcc4
[04:03] <hondje> I gather it runs decent enough for unstable, but definately not for newbies
[04:04] <anne> i have found a printer driver for my printer that works in windows, but its for debian version, can i use that in ubuntu
[04:04] <anne> sorry it works in linux i ment,
[04:04] <Bodycount> hallo peter pinguin
[04:04] <_ac_chan_> hello.. anybody here use pptpconfig
[04:05] <SG1> hondje: yeah, I know ;) I have most machines on debian testing
[04:05] <SG1> hondje: this is my breakable machine
[04:05] <Bodycount> hallo peter pinguin biste hier
[04:05] <_andreas> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21232 High frequency noise using kernel 2.6.10 - Can anyone help? When ACPI=OFF then the noise is gone, if ACPI=ON then acpi functions work, but the noise drives you crazy.
[04:05] <hondje> then get your break on ;-)
[04:05] <_andreas> please..;)
[04:05] <SG1> hondje: so there's no testing equivilent?
[04:05] <sorush20> do I have to mount a CD when I want to burn and iso image to it.. or not..
[04:05] <sorush20> can anyone help please..
[04:06] <hondje> SG1: Nope, either released or unreleased, really
[04:06] <HappyFool> sorush20: no, you mount a CD when you want to browse files on it, more or less
[04:06] <hondje> Kinda weird, but it makes sense with a 6 month release cycle
[04:06] <HappyFool> sorush20: if you want to blank it, or write an ISO image to it, the CD should not be mounted
[04:07] <HappyFool> anne: what printer model did you have again?
[04:07] <SG1> hondje: ok thanks.
[04:07] <hondje> no problem, SG1
[04:08] <NuuB> i am trying to run cgi/perl but am getting a very odd problem - the scripts will fail, then i add carp fatals and the scripts run with no fatals, then i remove carp fatals and the scripts still run - but i STILL have not figured out the underlying cause
[04:08] <sorush20> guys the problem is happening agian..
[04:09] <bluefoxicy> Firefox 1.5 will rule.
[04:09] <sorush20> I cant eject the CD.. and I get this message it in the flood
[04:09] <thr1ce> not better than konq :)
[04:10] <hondje> fuser /media/cdrom0
[04:10] <sorush20> what does fuser mean
[04:11] <thr1ce> it'll find what's using it
[04:11] <HappyFool> try maybe fuser /media/hdc too
[04:11] <konrad> and lsof /dev/hdc :)
[04:11] <sorush20> this is what I get; /media/cdrom0:       29749c
[04:11] <HappyFool> i'm playing a DVD and fuser /media/cdrom0 shows nothing, but /dev/hdc does
[04:11] <HappyFool> err
[04:12] <sorush20> can anyone help please..
[04:12] <HappyFool> and what does 'ps 1374' say?
[04:12] <HappyFool> ag
[04:12] <HappyFool> 'ps 29749'
[04:12] <Bodycount> hallo peter pinguin biste hier
[04:13] <blackgecko> can anyone tell why theresnt /lib/modules/'uname -r'/include ??
[04:13] <hondje> the letter implies it's a shell
[04:13] <bob2> blackgecko: because you didn't install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[04:14] <Bodycount> hallo peter pinguin biste hier
[04:14] <blackgecko> bob2: thanks am new to ubuntu?
[04:14] <bluefoxicy> oh man, hitting 'back' loads the prior page instantly
[04:15] <blackgecko> bob2: are there other repos that i should add to my sources.list ???
[04:16] <bob2> blackgecko: no
[04:17] <sorush20> ubuntu is shit
[04:17] <bob2> insightful
[04:18] <hondje> wow
[04:18] <hondje> that kid just proved there IS a market for that pointless nero-linux thing
[04:21] <bluefoxicy> Not only is Ubuntu shit
[04:21] <bluefoxicy> but it's THE shit
[04:21] <catolh> Any way to get my Ubuntu installation in english, and make it use a norwegian keyset?
[04:21] <blackgecko> why do you say that ??
[04:21] <bluefoxicy> None of that immitation shit that you get from french people
[04:21] <catolh> Because the norwegian translation in ubuntu is a mix of english, danish, swedish and norwegian.. :o
[04:22] <catolh> And when i type the norwegian characters in x-chat.. i see them.. but other's see them as gibberish..
[04:22] <bob2> bluefoxicy: please read the Code of Conduct
[04:22] <_andreas> ubuntu is BEST for a newbie as I am man.
[04:22] <blackgecko> well you can start a real translation and  give the comuniti something back not just complain
[04:22] <_andreas> can do every thing.
[04:23] <_andreas> incl vmware, cxoffice for my outlook etc
[04:23] <_andreas> with no complaints.
[04:23] <_andreas> ubuntu = no shit
[04:23] <catolh> blackgecko, well i could do that.. if i knew how..
[04:23] <HappyFool> who was looking for dos2unix earlier? it's in the sysutils package
[04:24] <flodine> anyone running E17 that can help me
[04:24] <HappyFool> catolh: i think you can choose a different keyboard layout under System -> preferences -> keyboard preferences
[04:24] <tobias_> Anyone got a working keyboard in X in breezy?
[04:24] <HappyFool> catolh: i see two norwegian keyboard layouts there
[04:24] <catolh> HappyFool, ok, ill try that
[04:25] <kestas> tobias_: nope everyone in breezy didnt use keyboards in X
[04:25] <flodine> wow no one tried E17 on ubuntu
[04:26] <catolh>  <- what does that look like to you guys? gibberish? or funny letters?.. :p
[04:26] <bob2> er, of course they have
[04:26] <hunger> kestas : I keep getting a (EE) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap
[04:26] <HappyFool> funny letters
[04:26] <bob2> perhaps they're not around now, or waiting for you to get to your question
[04:26] <HappyFool> catolh: third one is an a with a circle over it
[04:26] <HappyFool> catolh: second circle with a slash. the first a melded into e
[04:26] <blackgecko> catolh: you can join the translation tem or send them a mail, and offer some help, they sure be glad
[04:27] <catolh> ok, seems to be right.. but perhaps only ubuntu users can see it. When im talking to windows users over x-chat, it appears like gibberish to them.
[04:27] <hunger> catholh: it is glibberish for me A with ~ above plus some ascii stuff.
[04:27] <bob2> IRC unfortunately is not very internationalisation friendly
[04:27] <knudsen__> Hello. Is there a command showing a complete list of users existing on the system?
[04:27] <bob2> since everyone uses different encodings
[04:28] <hunger> catolh: IRC is not transmitting the encoding used by you... so if the encoding matches all is well and others will just see glibberish.
[04:28] <kyncani> knudsen__: uh, cat /etc/passwd ? ;)
[04:28] <HappyFool> knudsen__: system -> administration -> users and groups, maybe ?
[04:28] <knudsen__> kyncani: thanks!
[04:28] <catolh> ok
[04:28] <_andreas> _bob2 ah, you already read it? acpi=off the noise disappears. THATS a strange thing.:(
[04:28] <linukso> catolh: xchat uses utf-8 as default, windows users only understand iso-8859-1. You can change the charset for each server i xchat
[04:29] <hondje> I bet IRC is transmitting it fine, the clients probably aren't set up with UTF-8 for encoding
[04:29] <catolh> linukso, how? please tell me.. :)
[04:29] <bob2> that's usually the case
[04:29] <linukso> catolh: Hmm, hold on.
[04:29] <ayk> do you know a graphical tool that permit to do underclocking ?
[04:30] <linukso> catolh: in x-chat's server list, select "edit". There you can change the charset.
[04:30] <hunger> Any ideas how to fix xkb in breezy?
[04:30] <gigaclon> when brezzy comes out will it be eazy to upgrade?
[04:30] <bob2> gigaclon: yes
[04:31] <linukso> catolh: if you also want just english in apps, edit /etc/enviroment
[04:31] <therese> Is someone who success to launch Kubtuntu on a Imac G5 ?
[04:31] <kyncani> ayk: there's command line cpufrequtils
[04:31] <p_mash> mash it
[04:32] <michel> hallo
[04:32] <kyncani> ayk: powernowd can automatically underclock a cpu when it's not used
[04:32] <catolh> dont have the option to choose iso-8859-1, only iso-8859-15 and some others
[04:33] <catolh> should i try iso-8859-15 ?
[04:34] <_andreas> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21232 High frequency noise using kernel 2.6.10 - Can anyone help? When ACPI=OFF then the noise is gone, if ACPI=ON then acpi functions work, but the noise drives you crazy. anyone help please?
[04:34] <nalioth> therese: i can't even get ubuntu installed on an iMac G5
[04:34] <linukso> catolh: you can just type which charset you want, but iso-8859-15 should do it to I guess
[04:34] <bob2> _andreas: so, file a bug
[04:34] <bob2> _andreas: no one here is an ubuntu kernel developer
[04:34] <catolh> linukso, ok thanks. Ill try that
[04:34] <bob2> aside from fabio, and he's eating apricot danishes
[04:34] <hondje> they make apricot danishes? :o
[04:35] <_andreas> bob2 oh, ok. :) just looking for a hint to solve my ONLY ubuntu problem :)
[04:35] <HappyFool> eeu
[04:35] <nalioth> Antinomy: good day!
[04:35] <ayk> kyncani: ok, on windows i know Centrino Hardware Control (screenshot : http://www.pbus-167.com/chc/status.gif ) but i haven't find anything similar under linux
[04:35] <gvrocha_> can anyone tell me whether it is possible to add the debian repositories to the synaptic pckg mgr
[04:35] <Antinomy> nalioth yo man!
[04:35] <_andreas> bob2 actually running SILENT, without acpi enabled.
[04:35] <Antinomy> nalioth can I chat with you for 2 seconds...really, literally 2 seconds
[04:35] <nalioth> gvrocha_: it's not adivsed to mix debian with ubuntu pkgs
[04:35] <kyncani> ayk: what do you want to do, why ?
[04:35] <bob2> gvrocha_: yes, but it's a terrible idea, don't do it
[04:35] <gvrocha_> nalioth: hum... what could go wrong?
[04:36] <hondje> other than everything breaking, it could turn your pets against you
[04:36] <concept10> My panel crashed and I keep getting this error: I've detected a panel already running,and will now exit. Anyone know how to fix this?
[04:36] <bob2> haha
[04:36] <nalioth> gvrocha_: the pkgs are compiled differenty and may break ubuntu
[04:36] <gvrocha_> nalioth: i see...
[04:37] <HappyFool> concept10: maybe do 'pkill gnome-panel' and try again
[04:37] <fryerfox> nalioth: what do you suggest doing if there is a .deb that you need to install then?  Use a source package and compile it yourself, perhaps?
[04:37] <gvrocha_> nalioth: Are there any other repositories for Ubuntu other than the ones that are "pre-configured" (I mean other than the universe ones)?
[04:38] <bob2> gvrocha_: what package in particular do you want?
[04:38] <sorush20> Guys when I use GNOME Baker to blank a CD RW I get the message that there is no media in the drive... this is not true .. I can double click on the CD Drive and I can browse the CD... I understand to blank a CD it must be unmounted... could you please help with this problem..
[04:38] <peterbe> Hi all. My mozilla-firefox crashes with a Segmentation fault!! It was working fine yesterday but today I've done a apt-get upgrade which only upgraded apt-get and dselect (I think). What to do?
[04:38] <nalioth> fryerfox: waht pkg would that be (and is it not available in all the ubuntu repos)?
[04:38] <bob2> sorush20: right click and umount it
[04:38] <fryerfox> there's a developement package for an embedded Linux platform (developer.axis.com) that includes cross-compilers, etc.
[04:38] <bob2> peterbe: /topic, it's known broken
[04:38] <sorush20> bob2, that would be a good If the unmount option exsited..
[04:38] <gvrocha_> Do you know what the latest version of graphviz for Debian is? I guess it may be more to date than the one in the Ubuntu repository..
[04:39] <bob2> sorush20: then unmount it from the terminal
[04:39] <ayk> kyncani: i want to downvolt my proc by changing the vcore to have a lower temperature and have the fan running less
[04:39] <bob2> gvrocha_: http://packages.debian.org/graphviz
[04:39] <kestas> is downvolt a word?
[04:39] <bob2> not in english
[04:39] <knudsen__> I am running proftpd, and I can log in using my user name and password. If I add a new user (useradd testuser) and provide a password (passwd testuser ...), then testuser cannot log in. What can be wrong?
[04:39] <kyncani> ayk: use powernowd then, it will automagically lower your cpu freq and reset it to max speed when needed (using it here)
[04:40] <nalioth> fryerfox: if not available via ubuntu repos, compiling by hand is preferable
[04:40] <peterbe> bob2: there's nothing about that in the topic.
[04:40] <sorush20> bob2 do i JUST TYPE unmount cdrom0
[04:40] <ayk> keikoz: overclocking <-> downvolting
[04:40] <keikoz> ?
[04:40] <bob2> peterbe: oh, ok.  it is screwed, yes, with some extensions
[04:40] <bob2> sorush20: no
[04:40] <bob2> sorush20: sudo umount /media/cdrom0
[04:40] <keikoz> i'm not an overclocker xD
[04:40] <kyncani> ayk: processor usually running at 200mhz here (max 1.6 ghz)
[04:41] <peterbe> bob2: Any ideas what I can do?
[04:41] <fryerfox> nalioth: that'll be a real headache...  Is there a list of changes that could be made once you have installed from a .deb?
[04:41] <ayk> kyncani: ok, thanks, i will try powernowd
[04:41] <bob2> wait for it to be fixed
[04:41] <nalioth> fryerfox: and use "checkinstall" instead of "make install" (checkinstall makes and installs a .deb for easy system maintenance)
[04:41] <bob2> or downgrade to the previous version
[04:41] <kyncani> ayk: you'll also want cpufrequtils to see current cpu freq
[04:42] <peterbe> bob2: how do I do that?
[04:42] <fryerfox> nalioth - OK, I'll try that... thnx
[04:42] <mpmc> How do, I start something on but up.. and how do I get it to run as it needs super user prvis..?
[04:42] <mpmc> boot*
[04:43] <rizla> hi folks
[04:43] <rizla> i need help, please
[04:43] <rizla> i can't open rar archives
[04:43] <sorush20> bob2, it can not find the command unmount..
[04:43] <rizla> i've already installed unrar and rar-2.80
[04:43] <concept10> HappyFool, any more suggestions? that doesnt work?
[04:43] <mpmc> lol
[04:43] <bob2> sorush20: I didn't say unmount, it's umount
[04:43] <gigaclon> rizla try ark
[04:43] <rizla> ark?
[04:43] <bob2> ark calls the command line unrar tool
[04:44] <fryerfox> btw, I really am impressed with Ubuntu as a distro - I have generally used Redhat and have tried Debian and Mandrake, but Ubuntu is a nice development system once you set the root password.
[04:44] <ayk> kyncani: what's the name of the package to have the cpufrequtils ? cpufreqd ?
[04:44] <HappyFool> concept10: hmm. other that logout and login, no
[04:44] <HappyFool> concept10: does 'pgrep gnome-panel' show anything ?
[04:44] <nalioth> fryerfox: set the root password? why would you do that?
[04:44] <mpmc> Yes, Ubuntu support's eveything on my System :s
[04:44] <mpmc> Fedora Didn't :s
[04:45] <rizla> gigaclon,  t says: an error occured..
[04:45] <rizla> may be the file is corrupted
[04:45] <fryerfox> nalioth: it's exhausting typing sudo every time I want to do something that requires lower level access (such as direct access to eth0)
[04:45] <mpmc> or it dont have the access righta
[04:46] <anne> i have a wireless network at home, four other computers are using windows, i am using ubuntu, why is not my computer appearing in the other computers an vise verca
[04:46] <nalioth> fryerfox: so type "sudo -s" for a root terminal
[04:46] <Davey> anne: firewall?
[04:46] <nalioth> anne: using samba on your ubuntu?
[04:46] <reka> rizla: have you tried 'unrar-nonfree'?
[04:47] <anne> nalioth, no havent used samba, what is that
[04:47] <rizla> no reka
[04:47] <rizla> i haven't repoo nonfree..
[04:47] <reka> rizla: give it a go ... it opened one of my files unrar couldn't
[04:47] <fryerfox> nalioth: why is there a general discomfort with using a root account in Ubuntu?
[04:47] <reka> rizla: it's in multiverse
[04:47] <lenin> anyone plays championship manager 01/02 ???
[04:48] <mpmc> anne: That will most likely fix your prob :P use the pckmgr to get it
[04:48] <rizla> reka,   i haven't it in synaptic list..
[04:48] <nuky> hey, does anyone know how i can set system wide keyboard shortcuts for maximising, minimising windows?
[04:48] <anne> ok, in synaptic?
[04:48] <reka> !tell rizla about repositories
[04:48] <mpmc> yes
[04:49] <Varanger> crimsun: are you here?
[04:49] <concept10> HappyFool, after killing the panel 5 times it went away. Confused on panel activity, I am.
[04:49] <azambuja> hello
[04:49] <fryerfox> hello
[04:49] <Sleeper> hello all. just wondering what wireless app you guys use
[04:49] <reka> rizla: see the link ubotu pm'ed you
[04:49] <gigaclon> in x-chat, in the channels to join box, what is the delimiter to join multiple channels on connect?
[04:49] <rizla> reka,  ok, i'm gonna try
[04:49] <Sleeper> im trying ndiswrapper but im getting errors
[04:49] <hondje> gigaclon: , without spaces
[04:49] <mpmc> anne: in terminal type man samba
[04:50] <hondje> like #ubuntu,#another,#third
[04:50] <azambuja> i need some help. i have configured networking and it works fine, but when i reboot it doesnt work. Then i dont change a bit in the configuration and run networking restart and it works fine
[04:50] <mpmc> once installed
[04:50] <fryerfox> Sleeper: I found that if you type: rmmod ipw2200\n modprobe ipw2200\n/etc/init.d/networking restart\n then it restarts a shut-down wifi card
[04:50] <fryerfox> where \n means new line
[04:50] <anne> I have also trouble whith my printer, tried lo download sane and xsane, but what do i do to install it, used system, administration and printing, but the rigt driver device is not there
[04:51] <mpmc> where as windows is \r\n
[04:51] <reka> gigaclon: x-chat > server list > edit > channels to join
[04:51] <azambuja> anyone got ideas?
[04:51] <fryerfox> mpmc: I wouldn't be typing /etc/init.d/... in Windows :)
[04:51] <Sleeper> fryfox its asking for kernel sources ..
[04:51] <Sleeper> ooops
[04:51] <Sleeper> fryefox
[04:51] <DekaPink> Having a patent for emoticons... What's the world coming to...
[04:51] <fryerfox> Sleeper: what wifi card do you have?
[04:52] <Sleeper> brodcom
[04:52] <lenin> anyone plays championship manager 01/02 ???
[04:52] <mpmc> azambuja: try adding it to start up.. I'm trying to find out how to start something myself
[04:52] <HappyFool> DekaPink: where's that?
[04:52] <bob2> lenin: this doesn't sound very ubuntu-related
[04:52] <sorush20> bob2, blanking cd seems to keep on failing.... what can I do... i have put the results in the flood.. can you help...
[04:52] <Sleeper> broadcom bcm15 from the ndiswrapper INSTALLATION site
[04:52] <azambuja> mpmc: it is starting up
[04:52] <mpmc> oh lol
[04:52] <fryerfox> sleeper: have you tried: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44987
[04:52] <mpmc> checked the error logs?
[04:52] <Sleeper> it works fine in slackware
[04:52] <lenin> bob2, yes i know. but i wanna exe this one under ubuntu
[04:53] <fryerfox> sleeper: did you insmod ndiswrapper
[04:53] <bob2> lenin: http://appdb.codeweavers.com/
[04:53] <chakri> what is the command to hibernate
[04:53] <lenin> bob2, thanks
[04:53] <DekaPink> HappyFool: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/0,39020645,39210396,00.htm
[04:53] <Sleeper> well when i do make i get kernel sources error
[04:53] <chakri> i installed kubnutu and now hibernate is not there
[04:53] <chakri> can any one help me
[04:54] <Sleeper> just wondering where i can get kernel sources
[04:54] <bob2> chakri: sudo /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh
[04:54] <chakri> oh
[04:54] <chakri> will it work in kde also
[04:55] <bob2> it doesn't care
[04:55] <fryerfox> sleeper: you might want to post on the ubuntu forums - but I don't think you should need to rebuild from the kernel sources if you can find a module that suits you
[04:55] <chakri> and one more thing when i resume from hibernation , my keyboard and mouse are not working
[04:55] <chakri> bop2 help me
[04:55] <bob2> then record that on wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryPMTesting
[04:55] <soultaker> I need help
[04:55] <bob2> please don't be annoying
[04:55] <bob2> soultaker: you need to ask a question
[04:56] <soultaker> i have 3 Hd two on NTFS windows XP the last one on ubuntu
[04:56] <DekaPink> Huh... Is it hard to make themes for GDM? :3
[04:56] <gigaclon> !w32
[04:56] <ubotu> gigaclon: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:56] <soultaker> the grb send me and error wen i try to boot on the XP
[04:56] <highvoltage> DekaPink: no, it isn't.
[04:56] <gigaclon> !mount
[04:56] <ubotu> mount is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[04:56] <mpmc> !info emule
[04:56] <highvoltage> you edit 'n xml template.
[04:56] <podge> Sleeper: What are you trying to do?
[04:56] <soultaker> ntdlr missing
[04:57] <nalioth> soultaker: your ntldr got eaten
[04:57] <soultaker> how can i fix it
[04:57] <nalioth> soultaker: you only have one instance of XP on your machine?
[04:58] <soultaker> yes only one
[04:58] <nalioth> soultaker: i'm not sure how to regenerate a ntldr (are you sure grub is pointing at the right partition?)
[04:59] <soultaker> i me  Newb here
[04:59] <blazint> how to find out which deb a given file belongs to?
[04:59] <NuuB> i am needing to use sudo to get anything done - many of the programs are not wanting my default user to do anything - and i thought the default user shared certain high level privilages??
[04:59] <bob2> blazint: dpkg -S filename
[05:00] <HappyFool> NuuB: the priviledge the default user has is being able to use sudo
[05:00] <blazint> bob2, thanks, let me try
[05:00] <bob2> NuuB: which programs aren't working?
[05:00] <podge> Sleeper: Check out wiki.ubuntu.com and search for Kernel
[05:00] <HappyFool> NuuB: ordinary users cannot use sudo
[05:00] <gigaclon> :)
[05:00] <Sleeper> podge im looking thanks man
[05:00] <nalioth> soultaker: i'm not familiar with grub, to tell you where to look (i run PPC machines)
[05:00] <zone17> Hi, I am trying to use configure script on some software but I get the error http://nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=44859, what package do I need exactly?
[05:01] <Sleeper> but if i cant gte it.. im putting slackware on that laptop
[05:01] <nalioth> soultaker: but i'd look at where your grub is pointing
[05:01] <podge> Sleeper: What are you trying to compile?
[05:01] <soultaker> is ponting to Hd01
[05:01] <bob2> zone17: what are you trying to compile?
[05:01] <zone17> Some kde program made by a friend
[05:02] <nalioth> anybody can help soultaker with a grub issue?
[05:02] <Sleeper> podge i just want to get ndiswrapper
[05:03] <podge> Sleeper: There are debian packages for ndiswrapper..
[05:03] <NuuB> my default user is being denied by many programs and i am needing to use sudo - i thought the default user was supposed to have high level permissions?
[05:03] <HappyFool> Sleeper: the version that comes with ubuntu is not sufficient?
[05:03] <podge> Sleeper: They are on the front page.. http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/
[05:03] <HappyFool> NuuB: read wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:03] <NuuB> for example, i cannot create a file with nano unless i sudo
[05:03] <soultaker> well i gone to reinstall the windows XP
[05:03] <Sleeper> happyfool. no idea there was a version that came with...
[05:04] <bob2> NuuB: sure you can
[05:04] <Chris_Tucker> i have a usbdisk and its suddonly telling me "read only filesystem"
[05:04] <soultaker> and do and stand alone of ubuntu Linux
[05:04] <Chris_Tucker> how can i unmount the device safely?
[05:04] <bob2> NuuB: you can't create afile outside your home dir without sudo, yes, and that's how it's supposed to work
[05:04] <HappyFool> Sleeper: ah. well, i have a 'ndiswrapper.ko' file -- and i don't even use ndiswrapper
[05:04] <kyncani> aik: my bad, cpufrequtils is not available in hoary, will be on breezy. Forget about it then (breezy is not stable)
[05:04] <soultaker> i hate to change the HD on boot on the bios
[05:04] <nalioth> soultaker: stand alone? on another box?
[05:04] <soultaker> the same one
[05:04] <HappyFool> Chris_Tucker: that might happen if there's a filesystem error
[05:04] <NuuB> ah, k, home dir
[05:04] <HappyFool> Chris_Tucker: take a look in /var/log/dmesg
[05:04] <zone17> How do I install qt? Since there is no package named qt, what is the right one? Sorry if it's stupid.
[05:04] <soultaker> but with out the XP hard drivers
[05:05] <bob2> zone17: libqt3-mt-dev
[05:05] <Sleeper> maybe in the kde
[05:05] <soultaker> hehehehe i love this linux but is shure hate the XP on the same Pc
[05:05] <nalioth> soultaker: you are getting rid of XP?
[05:05] <bob2> assuming the software isn't too badly written
[05:05] <Chris_Tucker> HappyFool no errors
[05:05] <Sleeper> just use vmware
[05:05] <Chris_Tucker> i just need to know how to safely unmount
[05:05] <zone17> bob2, but that is already installed
[05:05] <zone17> bob2, why do it fail then?
[05:06] <HappyFool> Chris_Tucker: hmm. i don't know -- you can't right click on it's icon and choose unmount ?
[05:06] <soultaker> i whant to
[05:06] <bob2> zone17: perhaps you don't have a toolchain then
[05:06] <bob2> zone17: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[05:06] <soultaker> XP shure bring me a  lot of virus
[05:06] <soultaker> but i need time to migrate to linux
[05:06] <Chris_Tucker> HappyFool: never knew that was an option
[05:07] <zone17> bob2, thanks, I didn't have that, I'll try again :-)
[05:07] <HappyFool> Chris_Tucker: that worked then?
[05:07] <zone17> bob2, I still get the same error.
[05:07] <bob2> zone17: paste it to #flood
[05:08] <HappyFool> Chris_Tucker: it's a little worrying that the disk suddenly became read-only
[05:08] <Chris_Tucker> HappyFool to unmount, yes
[05:08] <azambuja> HappyFool: any ideas why my networking just works when i restart it after booting? thanks
[05:08] <Chris_Tucker> HappyFool: its doing it again, does it when i try and add more files
[05:08] <HappyFool> azambuja: maybe a module needed for it has not yet been loaded
[05:08] <Chris_Tucker> yet only 16/117 mb used
[05:09] <HappyFool> azambuja: take a look at 'lsmod'; if any modules there are likely to be needed for your networking hardware, add them to /etc/modules
[05:09] <zone17> bob2, done
[05:09] <bob2> zone17: /usr/share/doc/libqt3-mt-dev/READHE.Debian, iirc
[05:09] <bob2> you need to export an environment variable
[05:09] <HappyFool> azambuja: look in /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog and /var/log/dmesg for clues as to which modules are important
[05:09] <HappyFool> Chris_Tucker: is it a FAT (i.e., windows) filesystem on the usb stick/disk/whatever ?
[05:09] <Chris_Tucker> yes
[05:10] <Chris_Tucker> i just formatted it with its own formatter again, its in a camera so that was easy
[05:10] <soultaker> time to try
[05:10] <Chris_Tucker> trying everything i did again
[05:10] <soultaker> larter
[05:10] <pluffsy> hello
[05:10] <zone17> bob2, I don't have that readme file, how do I get that?
[05:10] <HappyFool> Chris_Tucker: maybe unmount, and run 'dosfsck -n /dev/<whateveryourusbpartitionis>'
[05:10] <bob2> zone17: .gz, it seems
[05:11] <HappyFool> Chris_Tucker: that's a filesystem check
[05:11] <HappyFool> Chris_Tucker: -n means it won't try to repair it
[05:11] <zone17> bob2, yes but only changelog.Debian.gz
[05:11] <phixion> anyone know much about muh? im running it on my local machine, I've set the config file correctly, what address should I be connecting to through irc?
[05:11] <Chris_Tucker> HappyFool, i reformatted the filesystem on the chip just now, i'll fsck it if the problem presists
[05:11] <nuky> `is there any way to speed up firefox? mine takes ages to load and i don't have any extra themes or extensions
[05:11] <bob2> zone17: well, I have /usr/share/doc/libqt3-mt-dev/README.Debian.g
[05:11] <pluffsy> do you know if there are some like database where I can find info about services I can use to call to normal swedish phones (I live in sweden)? Skype can do it, but I really don't wanna use a closed protocol for communication. I guess I need some service that supports some gnomemeeting protocol.
[05:11] <bob2> er, gz
[05:11] <HappyFool> Chris_Tucker: you can use 'sudo fdisk -l' to find out what the partition is (probably /dev/sda1)
[05:11] <azambuja> HappyFool: but how can it works when i restart it simply, without loading any extra thing?
[05:12] <nalioth> nuky: use galeon or kazehakase
[05:12] <Chris_Tucker> HappyFool, i knew it was sda1 all along
[05:12] <HappyFool> azambuja: maybe the module gets loaded in between -- i don't know
[05:12] <kutucape> nalioth, how about epiphany?
[05:12] <HappyFool> azambuja: that is my best guess
[05:12] <azambuja> HappyFool: humm. i have two cards, i put both of them on etc/modules you suggest?
[05:12] <nuky> nalioth, thanks, googling them.. still pretty new to ubuntu!
[05:12] <HappyFool> azambuja: i don't know; try it and see
[05:12] <zone17> bob2, would you mind pasting to #flood just what the export is?
[05:13] <nalioth> kutucape: they are all 3 gecko based, and all 3 use gtk2
[05:13] <azambuja> HappyFool: ok, thanks a lot happyfool
[05:13] <bob2> zone17: something's pretty wrong if you don't have that file
[05:13] <bob2> export QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3
[05:13] <bob2> export QMAKESPEC=linux-g++
[05:13] <flodine> can someone tell me the command to take snapshots
[05:14] <zone17> bob2, I have the /usr/share/doc/libqte-mt3-dev, but it only contains changelog information files in .gz
[05:14] <kutucape> nalioth, from your point of view, which one is faster?
[05:14] <bob2> zone17: you don't have libqt3-mt-dev installed?
[05:14] <zone17> bob3, yes
[05:14] <zone17> bob2, sorry, yes..
[05:14] <bob2> ETOOMANYNEGATIVES
[05:14] <nalioth> kutucape: kazehakase
[05:14] <bob2> zone17: do you have it installed or not?
[05:14] <zone17> bob2, doing dpkg -l | grep qt show it
[05:15] <HappyFool> heh
[05:15] <nuky> oh they are different browsers.. i was just wandering if i could speed up firefox.. thanks.. i'll look into them though
[05:15] <bob2> zone17: libt3-mt-dev, not libqt3e-mt-dev?
[05:15] <zone17> bob2, I have libqte-mt3-dev installed
[05:15] <kutucape> nalioth, i never hear that before...
[05:16] <bob2> zone17: you need libqt3-mt-dev installed
[05:16] <bob2> not libqt3e-mt-dev
[05:16] <kutucape> is kazehakase on ubuntu repositories?
[05:16] <nalioth> !info kazehakase
[05:16] <ubotu> kazehakase: (gecko based web browser using GTK), section universe/web, is optional. Version: 0.2.6-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 554 kB, Installed size: 1472 kB
[05:16] <nuky> kutucape: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/kazehakase
[05:16] <zone17> bob2, aaah!
[05:16] <phixion> anyone know much about muh? im running it on my local machine, I've set the config file correctly, what address should I be connecting to through irc?
[05:16] <kutucape> i think i shourd try it :D
[05:17] <kutucape> *should*
[05:17] <nuky> it's in synaptic too.. i just have the standard repositories
[05:17] <lenin> can i use a "public" proxy server for improve my internet connection ???
[05:17] <bob2> how would that help?
[05:18] <bob2> you still need to shove the data down your home internet connection
[05:18] <Graham> I've just installed Ubuntu (hurrah!). I got a fatal error when trying to install GRUB so installed LILO instead. However, LILO boots to Linux by default and doesn't give me an option to boot to WinXP. how can I boot to the latter by default, or be given an option?
[05:18] <nalioth> kutucape: open synaptic and search for 'browsers' they are all free to use. use them all and keep using the ones you like
[05:18] <lenin> bob2, but proxy catch web and save it. its fastr uh ?
[05:18] <Andares> Has anyone had problems forcing package versions in Synaptic?
[05:18] <bob2> lenin: no
[05:19] <bob2> Andares: if it crashes, file a bug
[05:19] <Antinomy> I need to make a list of user names from the command line. Does anyone know a command for this?
[05:19] <bob2> but you shouldn't really need to do that, anyway
[05:19] <nuky> is it worth installing the mozilla suite, calendar and all? does anyone make good use of it or recommend it?
[05:19] <Andares> bob2, but that would taaake too long! :(
[05:19] <Antinomy> nuky: I would do the standalone
[05:19] <kutucape> okeanos, thanks
[05:19] <Arafangion> lenin: There is only one situation in which using an open proxy server can improve your webbrowsing.
[05:19] <HappyFool> Antinomy: cat /etc/passwd|cut -f 1 -d ':'
[05:19] <zerboxx> Is it possible to open *.lit files in linux?
[05:19] <kutucape> okeanos, thanks
[05:19] <bob2> Andares: huh? compared to what?
[05:20] <Antinomy> nuky: fire fox, thunderbird, sunbird
[05:20] <HappyFool> Antinomy: that lists system users too
[05:20] <nalioth> Antinomy: "ls /home/"
[05:20] <bob2> nuky: it's being phased out
[05:20] <Arafangion> lenin: And that's if you have a very slow (And I mean very slow) connection to the internet, and the proxy compresses the traffic for you.
[05:20] <Antinomy> nalioth thanks
[05:20] <bob2> nuky: e.g. it may not be in ubuntu main at all for breezy
[05:20] <InitMass> my firefox closes when i close a tab, why is that?
[05:20] <nuky> oh i see.. thanks
[05:21] <bob2> InitMass: do you have lots of extenions instaled?
[05:21] <nalioth> zerboxx: you will need to google "convert lit"
[05:21] <gvrocha_> bob2: the package with the instalation of graphviz version2.2 depends on a whole bunch of stuff... If I download the .deb file, dpkg won't take care of getting the dependencies... Is there anyway of automating the process?
[05:21] <InitMass> bob2, i haven't installed anything new lately
[05:21] <phixion> how can i find my ip on my network?
[05:21] <zerboxx> nalioth: ok, thanks
[05:22] <bob2> gvrocha_: er, don't use packages from debian, at all
[05:22] <bob2> phixion: 'ip a'
[05:22] <phixion> thx bob
[05:22] <lsuactiafner> how do i add two root passwds on one box?
[05:22] <bob2> InitMass: did you get a security update in the past couple of days?
[05:22] <Andares> bob2, bypassing Synaptic and finding a way to force installing a "versionless" package.
[05:22] <bob2> lsuactiafner: just use sudo
[05:22] <Arafangion> lsuactiafner: I'd have two admin accounts, and use sudo.
[05:22] <bob2> Andares: wtf
[05:22] <gvrocha_> bob2: what if I need a newer version of graphviz that is not available in the Ubuntu repository?
[05:22] <bob2> Andares: "versionless"?
[05:22] <lsuactiafner> no i dont sudo..
[05:22] <InitMass> bob2, i have my system up to date
[05:22] <bob2> gvrocha_: then wait or compile it from source
[05:22] <ompaul> anyone know any tool that is like ispell for grammer? even if there is one wrapped up in a word processer I would consider it
[05:22] <kyncani> lsuactiafner: two root passwords ??
[05:22] <bob2> InitMass: and do you have lots of extensions installed?
[05:22] <lsuactiafner> yeh..
[05:23] <lenin> Arafangion, thanks to you and bob for help me
[05:23] <jeran__> How do you install from a .sh file?
[05:23] <InitMass> bob2, but when i open FF in a terminal i can see a segmentation fault when closing a tab
[05:23] <lsuactiafner> need my flatmate to get root on a remote box but i dont want to share a passwd
[05:23] <Andares> bob2, Package enlightenment has no available version, but exists in the database.
[05:23] <dabaR> jeran__: a /sh file is a script
[05:23] <gvrocha_> bob2: where can I get instructions to compile stuff from source? And that still leaves me with the dependecies issue right?
[05:23] <ashok> folks, how can i create a folder which can be used as a shared folder between users
[05:23] <bob2> InitMass: do. you. have. extensions. installed?
[05:23] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, that is a job for sudo
[05:23] <jeran__> dabaR: How do I run that script?
[05:23] <dabaR> jeran__: do you have it executable yet? ls -l will tell you.
[05:23] <ramblingturtle> I cant figure out how to install the new firefox so that way i can get the plugins working.
[05:23] <kyncani> lsuactiafner: you can use ssh then
[05:23] <bob2> Andares: then there's nothing to install
[05:23] <InitMass> bob2, yes i do
[05:23] <paper> ashok, mkdir folder
[05:23] <lsuactiafner> lets hope playin with /etc/passwd aint a bad idea..
[05:23] <paper> ashok, then chmod a+rwx folder
[05:23] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, it is
[05:23] <bob2> InitMass: if so, you've hit the bug in the security patched version this week.  pitti is working on it, it should be fixed soon.
[05:23] <Arafangion> bob2: You know, an eubuntu could be nice... ubuntu with enlightenment desktop manager!
[05:24] <bob2> lsuactiafner: don't do that
[05:24] <paper> heh
[05:24] <lsuactiafner> err shadow is even a better worse idea..
[05:24] <dabaR> Jeran: does the file show soemthing like -r-xr-xr-x  1 dbernar1 dbernar1 7294970 2005-07-11 04:42 (ebook - pdf) Java Swing (O'Reilly).pdf ?
[05:24] <Andares> bob2, but it shows up in the list!
[05:24] <ashok> paper, iam unable to do that in the home folder
[05:24] <bob2> Andares: that error means the package doesn't exist
[05:24] <bob2> Andares: because other things mention it
[05:24] <kyncani> lsuactiafner: :)
[05:24] <dabaR> Jeran: the x would symbol that it is executable, is it?
[05:24] <paper> your home folder needs to have write/read permissions
[05:24] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, you need to use the command sudo to achieve what you want to achieve
[05:24] <paper> for other users
[05:24] <bob2> gvrocha_: talk to the graphviz people, and, no, not usually
[05:24] <InitMass> bob2, is it a serious thing or is it easy to solve?
[05:24] <bob2> InitMass: how do you mean?  it will segfault until pitti sorts out the patch, yes.
[05:24] <Jeran> dabaR: Okay, That fixed it.. I'm trying to install Crossover Office.. It doesn't like that i'm using Sudo :-/
[05:25] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, and the big advantage is that sudo gets all the access logged
[05:25] <gvrocha_> nalioth: how do I join ##apple?
[05:25] <bob2> or whoever is working on it now
[05:25] <Andares> bob2, Hmm... There's gotta be a way that I can install Enlightenment DR17 in Ubuntu!
[05:25] <paper> Andares, have fun with that
[05:25] <dabaR> gvrocha_: /join #apple
[05:25] <bob2> Andares: sure, get the source and compile it
[05:25] <lsuactiafner> two root passwds is a good idea.. funny it aint implemented by shadow and passwd already
[05:25] <gvrocha_> thanks dabaR
[05:25] <bob2> Andares: bear in mind it's unstable and rather featureless
[05:25] <bob2> lsuactiafner: it's a stupid idea, use sudo
[05:25] <InitMass> bob2, i mean. will it take a long time to fix you think?
[05:25] <paper> bob2, it is not featureless at all
[05:25] <bob2> also, it's easy to do
[05:25] <dabaR> paper: ashok , paper, why would he allow write to his home folder?
[05:25] <bob2> paper: which language do I script it in?
[05:25] <bob2> InitMass: no, should only be a day or two, I gather
[05:25] <dabaR> ashok: by default, you can read files in other users folders...
[05:26] <paper> bob2 im sorry i thought you meant e17
[05:26] <kutucape> where can i find a quartz like window manager?
[05:26] <kutucape> !quartz
[05:26] <ubotu> kutucape: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:26] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : might sound funny to you but i really dont like usin some programs, phobia effect..
[05:26] <dabaR> ashok: just read their files, and they yours, dont allow write between users...theyll erase your files eventually.
[05:26] <InitMass> bob2, ok good. but if i remove the installation of FF and reinstall it. do you think that will solve my problems?
[05:26] <Andares> bob2, I know that. But this guide should work! http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20216&page=1&pp=10&highlight=e17
[05:26] <ashok> oki dabar..
[05:26] <kyncani> lsuactiafner: if you cant a remote admin access, ssh is the most convenient and secure way to do it. As for the root thing, anyone with id 0 can do anything i think. Maybe a set up with two accounts with id 0 (never tried it though)
[05:26] <dabaR> + if you a+w then your web server can even erase your files.
[05:26] <Andares> bob2, I tried getting the source, it gives me compile-time errors!
[05:26] <bob2> paper: I was talking about e17...compared to, say, sawfish, it's a little bare
[05:27] <lsuactiafner> kyncani : thanks
[05:27] <paper> bob2, eh to each their own, I am quite happy with e17 and everything that comes with it
[05:27] <bob2> Andares: no, that guide is wrong and written by someone with little idea of how ubuntu works
[05:27] <dabaR> Jeran: that fixed what? it was just a command to get info, ls -l was, does not fix anything, makes no changes.
[05:27] <bob2> Andares: those packages do not work on ubuntu hoary, no matter how much screwing around you do
[05:27] <lsuactiafner> yeh thats worked kyncani
[05:27] <dabaR> Jeran: if the file is executable, type in ./filename.sh
[05:27] <Jeran> dabaR: It wasn't executable, I made it executable and it worked
[05:27] <dabaR> aha
[05:27] <kyncani> lsuactiafner: ;)
[05:27] <dabaR> ok
[05:27] <bob2> Andares: if it doesn't compile, then report a bug to the e17 developers
[05:28] <[Spooky] > anyone have the link for installing the ATI card ?
[05:29] <lsuactiafner> heh i like playin around with bad ideas. they tend to work and create a funny effect later on
[05:29] <bob2> [Spooky] : if you mean "installing the ATI binary drivers", then wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:29] <dabaR> wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowTo
[05:29] <Graham> I have an Acer laptop and need to get wlan working - are there any specific or generic drivers available?
[05:29] <[Spooky] > bob2: thanks
[05:29] <Andares> eet_lib.c:772: error: `uLongf' undeclared (first use in this function)
[05:29] <Andares> :X
[05:30] <bob2> that could be a bug, or it could be you nto following the instructions
[05:30] <dabaR> Graham: you will n eed to know the exact model of the card. There is no generic driver, do you have the cd with the drivers?
[05:31] <Graham> dabaR: I've downloaded the Windows driver from Acer's website to see if it has the model name of the card, but it doesn't.
[05:31] <[Spooky] > bob2: hm that didnt work...
[05:31] <Graham> dabaR: And I can't boot into Windows to check because LILO doesn't give me an option; it boots straight into Linux
[05:32] <InitMass> bob2, if i remove the firefox extension dir in my ~. will that solve the problem?
[05:32] <bob2> "didnt work"?
[05:32] <hybrid_goth> whats the apt command to build
[05:32] <bob2> InitMass: I thin kso
[05:32] <dabaR> Graham: haha, youre screwed for windows. Are you gonna be installing that again? do you plan on dual booting?
[05:32] <[Spooky] > bob2: is it possible to install Windows after Linux ?
[05:32] <bob2> hybrid_goth: apt doesn't build things
[05:32] <blkdomini> hi all
[05:32] <bob2> [Spooky] : yes, but windows is shit and overrides the MBR, so you need a linux boot floppy or live cd to undo the damage
[05:32] <Chris_Tucker> how can i tell what processes are using /dev/sda1?
[05:33] <bob2> hybrid_goth: unless you mean 'apt-get -b source foo'
[05:33] <Chris_Tucker> i have to disconnect it but appearantly its "busy"
[05:33] <hybrid_goth> bob2: for deb-src repos
[05:33] <prodigy> I'm trying to install Nicotine with Ubuntu Hoary
[05:33] <[Spooky] > bob2: hm ok, well then i would like to fix the fgrlx install instead :/
[05:33] <bob2> hybrid_goth: then as above
[05:33] <hybrid_goth> ok ty much bob2
[05:33] <prodigy> but I'm stuck on python setup.py install --prefix=<dir>
[05:33] <blkdomini> anyone know games for ubuntu?
[05:33] <bob2> [Spooky] : so, explain what "doesnot work" means
[05:33] <prodigy> what do I type?
[05:33] <Graham> dabaR: Yeah, I wanted to dual boot. When I tried to install GRUB it identified that windows xp is installed on my drive, but I had a fatal error when installing GRUB so had to go with LILO. How can I boot to xp?
[05:34] <ubuntu> I run grub-install /dev/hda
[05:34] <ubuntu> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[05:34] <deFrysk> prodigy, sudo apt-get install nicotine
[05:34] <InitMass> bob2, yes it did :)
[05:34] <dabaR> blkdomini: synaptic knows of every package your computer is set up to possibly know of.
[05:34] <zukalk> hey does anyone know where the gnome-panel definitions are stored? the drawers i have, their position, etc
[05:34] <ubuntu> /dev/hda is /boot though
[05:34] <ompaul> Chris_Tucker, that is a strange question, but a program called lsof would be a useful place to start looking, then look at how the drive is mounted and hey presto with a little help you can get a grip on this
[05:34] <blkdomini> thank you dabar!!
[05:34] <bob2> prodigy: nicotine is in Ububuntu already
[05:34] <[Spooky] > bob2: i get this: Paketet fglrx-driver r ett virtuellt paket som tillhandahlls av:
[05:34] <[Spooky] >   xfree86-driver-fglrx 4.3.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu11
[05:34] <[Spooky] >   xorg-driver-fglrx 6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu11
[05:34] <prodigy> friggin, that was so easy, I should have known
[05:34] <prodigy> thanks
[05:34] <deFrysk> prodigy, ;p
[05:34] <ubuntu> WHY WHY WHY!?
[05:34] <shali> how can I use scp to copy a file from a linux box to a windows system?
[05:34] <thechitowncubs> wow, im baffled
[05:34] <hondje> shali: using something like winscp
[05:35] <dabaR> Graham: reinstall? also, maybe, you can fix the mbr
[05:35] <ubuntu> cygwin
[05:35] <kutucape> shali, use pscp
[05:35] <bob2> shali: run pscp on the windows side
[05:35] <bob2> shali: google for 'ssh putty' to find it
[05:35] <bob2> [Spooky] : I don't speak french or whatever that is
[05:35] <[Spooky] > bob2: when doing: sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver
[05:35] <hybrid_goth> google putty it is the first one
[05:35] <dabaR> welcome, blkdomini .
[05:35] <shali> hondje: yes, I know to use winscp and something like that. But i want to know how to do it with the command line
[05:35] <Chris_Tucker> ompaul, that returns blank .. nothing open
[05:35] <dabaR> [Spooky] : well, install one of those, do you use hoary?
[05:35] <hondje> then listen to them :)
[05:36] <Chris_Tucker> yet when i go to unmount the device is busy
[05:36] <Graham> dabaR: Well surely windows is still there as grub recognised it - I assume to access it I must need to fix the mbr, correct?
[05:36] <[Spooky] > bob2: yes
[05:36] <zukalk> bob2, french?? sounds more like swedish or something
[05:36] <sorush20> i forgot to take notes..
[05:36] <ubuntu> do I need to run grub-install after modifying menu.1st?
[05:36] <[Spooky] > i mean dabaR
[05:36] <sorush20> can you tell me agian..
[05:36] <dabaR> [Spooky] : then, insall the xorg one
[05:36] <LinuxJones> ubuntu, nope
[05:36] <bob2> [Spooky] : what does the error mean?
[05:36] <bob2> zukalk: ok, english is all I speak, unfortunately
[05:37] <ubuntu> oh cool
[05:37] <dabaR> there are two packages, it is telling you that there is no fglrx-driver, but that there are those two possible matches, choose one. Hoary uses xorg, and so should your card.
[05:37] <ubuntu> lol.. watching Trekkies on HBO... people are weird :P
[05:37] <ompaul> Chris_Tucker, what does df say about /dev/sda1 ?
[05:37] <ubuntu> Imagine seeing someone at the grocery store wearing a crappy home made star fleet uniform :P
[05:38] <dabaR> Graham: I have very little Idea on how to fix the grub. You put in the cd, choose to fix the install already there, and then go command line, then you type in a command, and it works. I am sure google will give you tutorials if support.m$.com wont.
[05:38] <Chris_Tucker> ompaul. the same it did 10 minutes ago, 122M 14M 108M 12% /media/usbdisk
[05:38] <Graham> dabaR: Thanks - I'll google.
[05:38] <prodigy> what if Nicotine is telling me I can't log in--invalid pass?
[05:39] <zukalk> does anyone know where the gnome-panel definitions are stored? the drawers i have, their position, etc
[05:39] <deFrysk> prodigy, /j Nicontine ?
[05:39] <dabaR> LinuxJones: really doesnty have to run it?
[05:39] <deFrysk> prodigy, /j #Nicontine ?
[05:39] <dabaR> update-grub
[05:39] <prodigy> where do I type that?
[05:39] <Chris_Tucker> here
[05:39] <ompaul> Chris_Tucker, you can try 'sudo umount /media/usbdisk' if there is no joy from that, have you a terminal or program running off data on that disk?
[05:39] <ashok> how can i login as root ?
[05:39] <deFrysk> prodigy, in jout txt bar
[05:39] <[Spooky] > dabaR: done that getting the same error...
[05:39] <dabaR> welcome, Graham.
[05:39] <ompaul> ashok, you don't you use sudo
[05:39] <ompaul> !sudo
[05:39] <ubotu> well, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:39] <Chris_Tucker> ompaul, nope
[05:40] <prodigy> there's no one on Nicotine
[05:40] <Chris_Tucker> hm wait
[05:40] <Chris_Tucker> it just stopped
[05:40] <Chris_Tucker> its working now
[05:40] <dabaR> [Spooky] : getting same error when you type in sudo aptitude install xorg-driver-fglrx?
[05:40] <deFrysk> prodigy, you have to set up nicotine with user and pass like in soulseek
[05:40] <LinuxJones> dabaR, that's one of the nice things about grub is that you don't have to re-write the information every time a change is made to the config file :)
[05:40] <prodigy> I did
[05:40] <deFrysk> then login
[05:40] <ompaul> Chris_Tucker, you can chance 'sudo umount -f /media/usbdisk' but that can damage data on that partition
[05:40] <prodigy> when I login it doesn't ask me for the password
[05:41] <dabaR> LinuxJones: really? I always thought you have to update-grub, I guess another one of those things you laern from the ubuntuguide:)
[05:41] <[Spooky] > dabaR: yepp
[05:41] <deFrysk> prodigy, it should when you connect I guess
[05:41] <hybrid_goth> !backports
[05:41] <ubotu> backports is, like, http://backports.ubuntuforums.org | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[05:41] <LinuxJones> dabaR, just make your changes to menu.lst and that's it :)
[05:41] <dabaR> cool.
[05:41] <dabaR> [Spooky] : can you paste the error?
[05:42] <[Spooky] > dabaR: you can swedish ?
[05:42] <D1> can anyone recommend a good ident server that works out of the box without little configuration?
[05:42] <dabaR>  /join #flood
[05:42] <Chris_Tucker> ompaul, it unmounted already
[05:42] <dabaR> I can tell from the context
[05:42] <phixion> anyone able to help me? ive set up muh (irc bouncer) on my local machine, its connected to the server but im having problems connecting. which IP should I be connecting to in IRC to connect to the bouncer.
[05:42] <ompaul> Chris_Tucker, funny thing usb :)
[05:42] <dabaR> When ubotu says something is in the restricted section, is that main?
[05:43] <LinuxJones> dabaR, unless your bootloader get's overwritten by say installing Windows then you would have to update-grub
[05:43] <dabaR> aha, thats what you use it for...
[05:43] <prodigy> what's a good server for Nicotine?
[05:43] <prodigy> I can't seem to connect to any
[05:43] <dabaR> Graham: you will need to get your lilo/grub again after you isntall windows./
[05:44] <Chris_Tucker> ok this is odd
[05:44] <stjepan> hello
[05:44] <dabaR> hi
[05:44] <dabaR> stjepan.
[05:44] <stjepan> do you know how to install KDE without downloading?
[05:44] <Chris_Tucker> why does df tell me i have only 25 m used on the camera, out of 128, yet when i try to cp or mv something to it, it says no space left
[05:44] <stjepan> pozdrav, dabaR
[05:44] <stjepan> :)
[05:44] <deFrysk> prodigy set up you nicotine in settings
[05:45] <stjepan> so?
[05:45] <stjepan> I have Ubuntu Install CD
[05:45] <stjepan> and repository DVD
[05:45] <ramblingturtle> anyone know of a program that is like gparted but allows you to mount or unmount different partitions
[05:46] <stjepan> ramblingturtle: what's wroing with mount and unmount?
[05:46] <stjepan> do you know how to install KDE?
[05:46] <stjepan> no?
[05:46] <stjepan> :(
[05:46] <ashok> how do i give access using chmod for a complete folder
[05:46] <dabaR> stjepan: so, you need to install the kde from the dvd?
[05:47] <ubuntu> that didn't work... I modified my menu.1st file and rebooted, still get errors, still tries to boot the wrong patition
[05:47] <dabaR> the whole kubuntu-desktop?
[05:47] <tritium>  /set completion_amount 0
[05:47] <Xenguy> ashok: chmod -R
[05:47] <LuNaTiK^GuY> stjepan: i tihnk it is:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:47] <stjepan> dabaR: yeah
[05:47] <ramblingturtle> stjepan: i am looking for gui based programs to put together a control center for family
[05:47] <D1> identd servers anyone?
[05:48] <ashok> it says No such file or directory
[05:48] <WebMaven> Hi folks.
[05:48] <HappyFool> D1:
[05:48] <HappyFool> frik, stupid enter key
[05:48] <WebMaven> Is the dpkg update legit?
[05:48] <D1> hehe
[05:48] <antrix> hello all, a python libraries question. I've got python2.4-sqlite installed, but it seems to be linked against libsqlite (2.8.15) Why don't we have pysqlite linked against sqlite3 ?
[05:48] <HappyFool> D1: try 'apt-cache search identd'
[05:48] <Chris_Tucker> whats the prefix to cp to a network server?
[05:48] <D1> I know that.
[05:49] <D1> I just need a recommendation
[05:49] <Chris_Tucker> network:/// or network://
[05:49] <HappyFool> D1: oh, sorry, not a clue ;)
[05:49] <D1> on a good identd server that works out of the box
[05:49] <ashok> wats wrong with this - sudo chmod +rwxX *.*
[05:49] <LuluGouveia> coe
[05:49] <HappyFool> ashok: what are you trying to do? that looks dangerous
[05:49] <LuluGouveia> e ae turma do #ubuntu
[05:49] <Xenguy> ashok: man chmod
[05:50] <HappyFool> Chris_Tucker: in nautilus, something like 'smb://computer/share' for windows share
[05:50] <ashok> i want to give write permission to a particular folder
[05:50] <Chris_Tucker> nvm i dragged and dropped
[05:50] <LuluGouveia> E AE PORRA
[05:50] <LuluGouveia> ME DA OI CARALHO :)
[05:50] <misfit_toy> anybody have a recommendation for a wireless USB NIC that works outta the box with Ubuntu?
[05:51] <stjepan> heya
[05:51] <Xenguy> ashok: write permission to who? (User, Group, or All?)
[05:51] <ashok> all
[05:51] <nuky> can anyone recommend a good scheduling program.. just to keep timetables, appointments, etc..
[05:51] <HappyFool> ashok: *.* is a dos-ism - just * will do. Also, try +rwX, not xX. Finally, what folder is this?
[05:51] <stjepan> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop doesn't work
[05:51] <misfit_toy> nuky, evolution has great calendaring built in
[05:51] <stjepan> :(
[05:51] <dabaR> stjepan: got an answer yet?
[05:51] <dabaR> ok
[05:51] <stjepan> no
[05:51] <dabaR> good
[05:51] <stjepan> :)
[05:51] <ashok> its just a shared docs folder
[05:51] <stjepan> si normalan?
[05:51] <stjepan> :)
[05:51] <Xenguy> ashok: something like -> chmod a+w filenames
[05:51] <dabaR> stjepan: add your dvd to your sources.list
[05:52] <stjepan> hehe
[05:52] <dabaR> as much as one can be, yes, stjepan .
[05:52] <stjepan> how?
[05:52] <misfit_toy> anybody have a recommendation for a wireless USB NIC that works outta the box with Ubuntu?
[05:52] <Xenguy> ashok: will change permissions on files in that directory
[05:52] <sorush20> Hi.. I have been trying to sort this problem out for more than two days.
[05:52] <stjepan> oh
[05:52] <stjepan> I have it on linst
[05:52] <stjepan> dabaR: OK
[05:52] <stjepan> what now?
[05:53] <HappyFool> misfit_toy: look here maybe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[05:53] <dabaR> stjepan: post your sources.list to pastebin -> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/
[05:53] <dabaR> whoever was trying to install that acer card, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[05:54] <stjepan> dabaR: all is commented, only DVD is not
[05:54] <misfit_toy> HappyFool, thanks, I keep forgetting about that link, duh.
[05:54] <Antinomy> Can anyone suggest another good linux distro? Ubu is just not working with my laptop.
[05:54] <dabaR> is there kubuntu-desktop on the dvd? can you use synaptic to see what is on the dvd? cause if it was set up right in sources.list, you should be able to.
[05:54] <HappyFool> Antinomy: look maybe on distrowatch.com
[05:54] <dabaR> Antinomy: ya, um, exactly, or something like that.
[05:55] <Antinomy> HappyFool: ok, thanls
[05:55] <Antinomy> thanks
[05:55] <dabaR> Antinomy: if it dont work in ubuntu, it should be pretty much the same everywhere, what is not working?
[05:55] <stjepan> dabaR: no, there is not kubuntu-desktop
[05:55] <sorush20> I have two computers.. a laptop that I'm running on ubuntu and talking to you right now.. and a pc which I reluctantly changed to a dual boot OS. The problem began when I tried to check or viruses on my pc since the OS Win XP was unusually slow. I had kaspersky anti virus running but it seemded to have no effect. Then I decied to download Panda antivirus and installed it. I ran a full scan and found 95 infected files included 
[05:55] <Antinomy> dabaR: it's a long story.  Got an afternoon?
[05:56] <sorush20> As It began to load XP again.. it frooze...
[05:56] <stjepan> :(
[05:56] <stjepan> what should I do?
[05:56] <dabaR> and now you want xp to load again?
[05:56] <Antinomy> dabar: after solving about 3,000 other problems with the help of this very generous community, it's just hanging at the "Ubuntu" screen right after login
[05:56] <dabaR> stjepan, is there a list of files in synaptic?
[05:57] <prodigy> I'm using Nicotine and I'm just setting it up, 'm using mail.slsk.org:2240 as a server to connect
[05:57] <ashok> oki xenguy
[05:57] <dabaR> Antinomy: erase everything in your /tmp folder, maybe that will help. sudo rm /tmp/*
[05:57] <stjepan> dabaR: what list of files?
[05:57] <prodigy> but I get the message Can't connect to server mail.slsk.org:2240
[05:57] <[Spooky] > dabaR and bob2 thanks for the time, i will see if i can fix this error...
[05:57] <Antinomy> dabaR: I'm tired, and I'm afraid I will be fixing problems for as long as I have this.
[05:57] <dabaR> stjepan: you know, synaptic gives you a list of packages you can install.
[05:57] <hybrid_goth> ph00: how is it going
[05:57] <LuluGouveia> HELP
[05:57] <dabaR> Antinomy: go to sleep, fix it in the morning.
[05:57] <Antinomy> dabaR: I'm learning a ton, but I would like to use it one of these days
[05:57] <stjepan> dabaR: yeah
[05:57] <dabaR> I use debian right now, and I had the same thing, that fixed it.
[05:57] <Antinomy> dabaR: this is the third morning.
[05:58] <stjepan> dabaR: there is only CD in repositories
[05:58] <prodigy> I need help with Nicotine
[05:58] <deFrysk> prodigy, firewall ?
[05:58] <stjepan> dabaR: how will I add DVD?
[05:58] <dabaR> stjepan: the dvd, right?
[05:58] <dabaR> oh
[05:58] <LuluGouveia> HELP! COMO EU CONECTO VIA ADSL COM O UBUNTU 5.04 LIVE CD?
[05:58] <prodigy> I don't think I have a firewall
[05:58] <LuluGouveia> HELP! COMO EU CONECTO VIA ADSL COM O UBUNTU 5.04 LIVE CD???? PLIS
[05:58] <ph00> hybrid_goth : pretty good, except that I have all these instances of gpg-agent running and I don't know hwat's starting them all, or how I can kepp from having 8 or 10 of them running at once
[05:58] <dabaR> well, tell me what the cd entry looks like, I cant come up with it.
[05:58] <LuluGouveia> HELP! COMO EU CONECTO VIA ADSL COM O UBUNTU 5.04 LIVE CD???? PLIS???
[05:58] <dabaR> LuluGouveia: sudo ppoeconf
[05:58] <hybrid_goth> ph00: wow
[05:58] <LuluGouveia> dabaR VC E BRASILEIRO?
[05:58] <hybrid_goth> LuluGouveia: #ubuntu-es
[05:59] <HappyFool> LuluGouveia: we do not speak your language. try /join #ubuntu-pt or /join #ubuntu-es
[05:59] <dabaR> LuluGouveia: nope.
[05:59] <stjepan> dabaR: how do you mean?
[05:59] <dabaR> hybrid_goth: in brasil they speak portuguese
[05:59] <dabaR> :)
[05:59] <stjepan> dabaR: what it looks like???
[05:59] <ashok> this gives an error - sudo chmod a+rwX *
[05:59] <ph00> brazil is portugese, so prob -pt
[05:59] <dabaR> like, msg me the line you have in sources.list abiout the cd.
[05:59] <HappyFool> there's also a #ubuntu-br
[05:59] <prodigy> Is there anyone who could help me with Nicotine please?
[05:59] <dabaR> I was there the other day.
[05:59] <Antinomy> windows, 1; ubuntu 0
[05:59] <prodigy> I don't know why I can't connect, it says the server is down
[05:59] <LuluGouveia> NINGUEM AJUDA LA
[05:59] <LuluGouveia> :(
[06:00] <LuluGouveia> APRENDAM A FALAR PORTUGUES PRA ME AJUDAREM
[06:00] <dabaR> LuluGouveia: is it a router+adsl modem?
[06:00] <ashok> pls help.. sudo chmod a+rwX *
[06:00] <ashok>  gives an error
[06:00] <ph00> njeff@pita:~$ man nicotine
[06:00] <ph00> No manual entry for nicotine
[06:00] <jcapote> is gstreamer0.8-mad in the hoary-extras repo, or do i have to add another one
[06:00] <sorush20> so.. I installed Ubuntu... to see if I could recover through that... I installed ubuntu and grub loader and was able to have access to the routen boots.. like ubuntu kernels and windows xp.. when I selected xp nothing happened just the same really it just froze...  I restarted a few times and searche on the net for a solution searching on... XP will not boot.. somewhere on the web I found a solution referring to XP recovery co
[06:00] <stjepan> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[06:00] <jcapote> im following the guide over at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-42ee8db829cfca66a3a0f4f71a6682392bbe459c
[06:00] <LuluGouveia> dabaR Velox... adsl modem 256k...
[06:00] <stjepan> dabaR: so?
[06:01] <WebMaven> LuluGouveia:  #ubuntu-pt or #ubuntu-es
[06:01] <prodigy> I'm using Nicotine and I'm just setting it up, 'm using mail.slsk.org:2240 as a server to connect
[06:01] <ph00> so, anyone have similar experience witrh gpg-agent?
[06:01] <prodigy> and the server is not responding
[06:01] <jcapote> gstreamer0.8-mad anyone?
[06:02] <chillywilly> gstreamer sucks
[06:02] <chillywilly> imho
[06:02] <WebMaven> Is the dpkg update legit?
[06:02] <prodigy> are you talking to me?
[06:02] <WebMaven> no, just asking generally.
[06:02] <jcapote> i dont care, i just want mp3 support
[06:02] <dabaR> LuluGouveia: sudo pppoeconf
[06:03] <sorush20> guys if I renew MBR will I loose GRUB
[06:03] <WebMaven> I see dpkg and dselect updates, and it occured to me that that would be a great way to compromise systems.
[06:03] <LuluGouveia> dabaR tank you!
[06:03] <dabaR> jcapote: what is needed? what do you need?
[06:03] <dabaR> LuluGouveia: welcome.
[06:03] <dabaR> that should do it.
[06:03] <prodigy> Can someone please give me help with Nicotine?
[06:03] <prodigy> maybe just a server name?
[06:03] <ph00> hybrid_goth : lots of enthusiasm in this chan, but not much direction
[06:04] <HappyFool> sorush20: that's ok, you can restore it relatively easily
[06:04] <HappyFool> sorush20: see here:
[06:04] <HappyFool> !recover
[06:04] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, recover is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[06:04] <jcapote> dabaR: im following the guide over at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-639a621dfdd2455b114477921b28145252b78050 but i cant find gstreamer0.8-mad in the repository it told me to add
[06:04] <nJess> where to the shipit CDs ship from?
[06:04] <nJess> do*
[06:04] <dabaR> jcapote: well, I mean, add universe and multiverse and everything.
[06:04] <jcapote> yea
[06:04] <dabaR> jcapote: for a ready to use sources.list use
[06:04] <dabaR> !sources.list
[06:04] <ubotu> dabaR: No idea
[06:04] <dabaR> oh well.
[06:05] <jcapote> i added this
[06:05] <jcapote> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[06:05] <HappyFool> gstreamer0.8-mad is in universe
[06:05] <HappyFool> jcapote: no, thats backports
[06:05] <dabaR> remove it:)
[06:05] <prodigy> Can't connect to server mail.slsk.org:2240 (-5, 'No address associated with hostname')
[06:05] <jcapote> oh
[06:05] <dabaR> add universe
[06:05] <HappyFool> jcapote: you need archive.ubuntu.com
[06:05] <tritium> ph00, it depends on who's here, what type of help people are asking for, and the familiarity of the people in the channel with that subject
[06:05] <ashok> pls tell me how to give permissions to a folder
[06:05] <jcapote> thats what the documentation told me to install
[06:05] <ashok> so that the user can create new files in the folder
[06:05] <jcapote> ok thanks guys
[06:06] <HappyFool> ashok: 'sudo chmod a+rwx /path/to/folder'
[06:06] <prodigy> need help with Nicotine badly
[06:06] <dabaR> ashok: sudo chmod a+w /folder
[06:06] <prodigy> on Ubuntu Hoary
[06:06] <dabaR> I need to quit smoking too.
[06:06] <prodigy> the program
[06:06] <nonedead> can some one help me
[06:06] <ashok> Thanks.. it worked
[06:07] <pepsix> smoking is good for you
[06:07] <HappyFool> nonedead: only if you ask a question
[06:07] <pepsix> they did a study
[06:07] <ivan_qk> sup
[06:07] <nonedead> how do i install ut2004 on ubuntu
[06:07] <ids> hi, if i install ubuntu will i receive apt-get packages from the same place as the debian sources with the same maintainance, or is it from different locations?
[06:07] <prodigy> Can't connect to server mail.slsk.org:2240 (-5, 'No address associated with hostname')
[06:07] <ivan_qk> i need help, wich command terminates startx?
[06:08] <nonedead> im new to linux
[06:08] <ivan_qk> nonedead, u need instal wine fist
[06:08] <dabaR> me too
[06:08] <ivan_qk> then instal ut2004 from there
[06:08] <prodigy> I"m sure there's someone in here experienced with the program Nicotine that can help me run it, isn't there?
[06:08] <HappyFool> ivan_qk: you can kill X with Ctl-Alt-Backspace
[06:08] <deFrysk> prodigy, http://nicotine.thegraveyard.org/
[06:08] <nonedead> i dont know how to install anything in linux
[06:09] <dabaR> ids: different location
[06:09] <ivan_qk> HappyFool, yes, but i wanna kill from console
[06:09] <dabaR> different packages
[06:09] <ids> dabaR: but the apt-get system is the same?
[06:09] <dabaR> it is apt-get yes.
[06:09] <nonedead> how do i install wine
[06:09] <dabaR> sudo aptitude install wine
[06:09] <deFrysk> nonedead, sudo apt-get install wine
[06:09] <HappyFool> ivan_qk: hmm. 'pkill X' maybe ?
[06:09] <ivan_qk> sudo apt-get install wine
[06:09] <dabaR> !info wine
[06:09] <ubotu> wine: (Windows Emulator (Binary Emulator)), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.0.20050310-1.1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1248 kB, Installed size: 2596 kB
[06:10] <dabaR> in universe, so add universe to your sources.list
[06:10] <ids> dabaR: so apt-get packages are maintained by different people than those who maintain debian?
[06:10] <ivan_qk> HappyFool, dunno, another solution?
[06:10] <HappyFool> ivan_qk: you tried that? ;)
[06:10] <djp> does nautilus cd writing not work under hoary? i just tried to use it (i normally use cdrecord), but it keeps asking me to insert a disc into the drive!
[06:10] <dabaR> ids: apt-get is copnfigurable to get packages from where you tell it to.
[06:10] <ashok> whenever i open my system monitor, i see that my swap memory is never used. pls tell me why
[06:10] <dabaR> ids: your ubuntu apt-get should/will be configured to get the packages from teh ubuntu servers.
[06:11] <ivan_qk> lol
[06:11] <ivan_qk> ok
[06:11] <HappyFool> ivan_qk: try 'ps aux|grep X' and then 'kill <pid>' where pid is whatever you saw previously
[06:11] <deFrysk> djp, where else to write it on ?
[06:11] <ompaul> ashok, because you have not got a high enough load on the machine, i.e. your working well within the limits of the machine
[06:11] <nonedead> where do i get wine
[06:12] <djp> deFrysk: the disc is in the drive!
[06:12] <tritium> nonedead, universe
[06:12] <nonedead> what
[06:12] <deFrysk> djp, ooh
[06:12] <djp> deFrysk: any ideas?
[06:12] <nonedead> what is the univerce
[06:12] <tritium> !repositories
[06:12] <ubotu> well, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:12] <deFrysk> djp, try another disc ?
[06:12] <tritium> see that above, nonedead regarding adding repositories
[06:13] <HappyFool> hmm. according to this there's a ut2004 for linux anyway: http://www.unrealtournament.com/ut2004/downloads.php
[06:13] <HappyFool> or is that just the game server?
[06:13] <djp> deFrysk: no, done that. it is a nautilus issue i gather. i can write to disc using cdrecord so just wondered if anyone knew how to get nautilus working iz all...
[06:13] <nJess> there is a ut for linux happyfool
[06:13] <nJess> i have it
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> theres a native port of ut2004 i do belive
[06:13] <nonedead> the install dvd is compatable for linux
[06:13] <nJess> but i can't make it work in ubuntu
[06:14] <HappyFool> the demo download is tiny for linux/mac compared to windows. weird
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> the installer on the cds of ut2004 worked - but had a few little oddieits. :P
[06:14] <nonedead> it has win and lin install on one disk
[06:14] <prodigy> okay, I visited the nicotine website and I got a server to connect to but it's telling me INVALIDPASS
[06:14] <deFrysk> djp, remove the disc , reinsert it and let nautilus writer open itself and try again
[06:14] <vinboy> how do I install eclipse?
[06:14] <deFrysk> so close nautilus writer first
[06:15] <prodigy> it doesn't even ask me for my password before it says invalidpass
[06:15] <prodigy> why?
[06:15] <deFrysk> prodigy, you can fill it in in prefs - server
[06:16] <Antinomy> Can someone tell me what Kebuntu is?
[06:16] <prodigy> how do I do that?
[06:16] <deFrysk> prodigy, just check the settings properly ok ?
[06:16] <deFrysk> settings in nicotine that is
[06:16] <Miks> how can i change the font color in the gnome panel?
[06:16] <HappyFool> Antinomy: kubuntu is kde-ified ubuntu - i don't know 'kebuntu'
[06:17] <Antinomy> HappyFool: my god, I misspelled it. Forgive me?
[06:17] <prodigy> I have checked the settings and set up a username and password
[06:17] <Antinomy> HappyFool: is it worth using? Will it install (unlike Ubu?)
[06:17] <gui> eyyeyeyeyeyyeyeyyyy
[06:17] <deFrysk> prodigy, then i do not know, works fine here :(
[06:17] <HappyFool> Antinomy: it uses the same kernel / system libraries /etc as ubuntu
[06:17] <dabaR> vinboy: you use the eclipse.org site
[06:18] <HappyFool> Antinomy: only the desktop environment is different (i.e., kde, not gnome)
[06:18] <dabaR> wtf is this nicotine thing?
[07:01] (Seveas/#ubuntu) and if you have such a reason: use make-kpkg
[07:01] (Chris_Tucker/#ubuntu) Seveas, i was told debain has the realtime linux stuff and that that allows me to set a cpu precentage
[07:02] (Seveas/#ubuntu) NEVER use make/make install directly
[07:02] (nJess/#ubuntu) okay
[07:02] (HappyFool/#ubuntu) Chris_Tucker: i think you'll need a rtlinux for hard realtime
[07:02] (nJess/#ubuntu) what is the command to wipe out hda2
[07:02] (nJess/#ubuntu) ?
[07:02] (nikkia/#ubuntu) Chris_Tucker: if you mean realtime-lsm, it doesn't
[07:02] <nikkia> erm, ubuntu doesn't, that is
[07:02] <Seveas> Chris_Tucker, but Ubuntu does not include the realtime stuff patches to the kernel
[07:02] <HappyFool> Chris_Tucker: i don't think normal linux supports hard real-time
[07:02] <Seveas> nJess, mkfs can put a new filesystem on it (like format does on windows)
[07:03] <nJess> ok
[07:03] <Seveas> everett_: You can find compilation instructions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[07:03] <sorush20> Seveas, whawt do I do when I have logged in via the live cd...
[07:03] <KageKeeper> wow..lots of people
[07:04] <Seveas> sorush20, first try: sudo fdisk -l
[07:04] <Seveas> if the information it gives is correct, you should follow wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringGrubAfterInstallingWindows
[07:04] <Seveas> that page gives instructions for manually installing grub from the live CD
[07:04] <KageKeeper> ok..I have a quesion concerning sound. I have read several things on the forums and the wiki and still no luck. For some reason I have no /dev/dsp or /dev/snd....?
[07:05] <Seveas> KageKeeper, what kind of soundcard do you have?
[07:05] <Seveas> I bet Audigy
[07:05] <dabaR> $20
[07:05] <HappyFool> zim dollars? ;)
[07:06] <KageKeeper> SB Live 24 bit
[07:06] <Seveas> KageKeeper, same difference (in this area)
[07:06] <ArthurChapel> KageKeeper: what does cat /proc/asound/cards say?
[07:06] <Andares> How do I correct this problem?
[07:06] <KageKeeper> I have no /proc/asound
[07:06] <Andares> In file included from /usr/include/sys/stat.h:105,
[07:06] <Andares>                  from <stdin>:1:
[07:06] <Andares> /usr/include/bits/stat.h:70: error: field `st_atim' has incomplete type
[07:06] <Andares> /usr/include/bits/stat.h:71: error: field `st_mtim' has incomplete type
[07:06] <Andares> /usr/include/bits/stat.h:72: error: field `st_ctim' has incomplete type
[07:07] <dabaR> jeran gets no money from me....
[07:07] <tfort> how do you disable GDM so that i can just start in terminal and startx?
[07:07] <Andares> gulp.
[07:07] <Seveas> Andares, NEVER!! paste in here
[07:07] <dabaR> Andares: that is not enough for that.
[07:07] <HappyFool> Andares: please don't paste here
[07:07] <Andares> Gulp!
[07:07] <djp> sorry, i had to disappear and feed to family... did anybody have any idea if cd writing under nautilus is broken at the moment with hoary?
[07:07] <LinuxJones> tfort, update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[07:07] <dabaR> Andares: you can use pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl, or #flood
[07:07] <Seveas> KageKeeper, can you paste the output of the following command on a pastebin please: lspci && lsmod
[07:07] <tfort> kill thanks linux
[07:07] <dabaR> djp: no it is not
[07:08] <tfort> k
[07:08] <Andares> I thought 5 lines was acceptable?
[07:08] <dabaR> Andares: what are you compiling?
[07:08] <Andares> Anyway, http://rafb.net/paste/results/Hqq5oZ64.html
[07:08] <tfort> now just time to make my openbox default on x
[07:08] <nalioth> Andares: 2 lines, more go to #flood or a pastebin, please
[07:08] <tfort> LinuxJones, i can do that just in the .xinitrc right/
[07:08] <Andares> dabar, Nothing, just a test file that only has #include <sys/stat.h> in it.
[07:08] <Seveas> Andares, not if it is compiler errors....
[07:08] <sorush20> Seveas, I only seem to have one partition...
[07:08] <Seveas> sorush20, and is that correct?
[07:08] <Andares> echo '#include <sys/stat.h>' | gcc -c -xc - is what I did.
[07:09] <sorush20> no..
[07:09] <djp> dabaR: ok thanks. do you have any idea why when i try to write files to a cd, it keeps asking me to insert a blank disc in drive, when one is already inserted?
[07:09] <dabaR> is it a rw?
[07:09] <sorush20> I should have a swap ubuntu, root ubuntu, and windows xp,
[07:09] <djp> dabaR: no
[07:09] <sorush20> Seveas, what shoudl i do..
[07:09] <dabaR> just a completely blank cd out tha box?
[07:09] <catolh> I installed gnome-bluetooth, but dont i need to install my bluetooth usb adapter? Its a linksys usb thingie.. :o
[07:09] <Seveas> sorush20, then I am afraid your disk is messed up
[07:10] <KageKeeper> Seveas: Posted
[07:10] <dabaR> catolh: does it work?
[07:10] <Seveas> sorush20, can you paste the output of sudo fdisk -l on a pastebin please
[07:10] <tfort> what's a good macro program? want to set a few keys for my openbox
[07:10] <catolh> dabaR, well.. started the manager and i am currently scanning for devices. it stops on 5%
[07:10] <Seveas> KageKeeper, it's an Audigy LS :)
[07:10] <dabaR> catolh: then, yeah, you need to install something else.
[07:10] <sorush20> Seveas, I will type it out.. because its on the other computer...
[07:11] <catolh> dabaR, ever used a linksys usb adapter?
[07:11] <dabaR> no. USB != good idea.
[07:11] <dabaR> I mean, if you ahve to use it...
[07:11] <catolh> I have to use it, i dont have bluetooth on my mainboard
[07:12] <dabaR> djp: completely blank cd out the box? and you have others and tried another disc?
[07:12] <Seveas> KageKeeper, audigy drivers are a bit of a problem. I cannot help you very much because i don't have any experience with it myself. But I do know that some people on the forums got it to work. You can search there for 'Audigy driver install' or open a new topic.
[07:12] <KageKeeper> Seveas: Thank you. I will search for that. :)
[07:12] <dabaR> catolh: well, its an adapter, did you plug/ turn on another bt device you are going to connect?
[07:13] <catolh> yep
[07:13] <dabaR> and its discoverable, everything set up?
[07:13] <catolh> yeah
[07:13] <dabaR> nice
[07:14] <djp> dabaR: yep. keep getting message when i choose to write to disc, "Insert blank disc Please put a blank disc, with at least 13 MB free, into the drive."
[07:14] <Andares> Here's a glibc fix: http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-hacker/2003-01/msg00003.html
[07:14] <Andares> Apparently glibc is _built improperly_.
[07:15] <dabaR> djp: I had some issues too with the rw discs, dunno...file a bug?
[07:15] <HappyFool> Andares: sorry, what's the problem again?
[07:15] <Seveas> Andares, so you should for now simply include time.h manually :)
[07:16] <Seveas> Andares, this will be fixed when Ubuntu updates glibc
[07:16] <Andares> Seveas, I can't! I'm installing Enlightenment and I'm not about to rewrite their stuff.
[07:16] <djp> dabaR: looks that way... thanks anyway
[07:16] <tfort> what's a good keybinding program?
[07:16] <Andares> Okay, that's good. Right now I'll just patch it.
[07:16] <Seveas> hmm, wait... patch is from 2003
[07:16] <HappyFool> Andares: i don't get that error here
[07:17] <Seveas> should be fixed already
[07:17] <HappyFool> Andares: the test command in that message works for me
[07:17] <Seveas> and indeed, /me gets no error at all...
[07:17] <sorush20> Seveas, Disk /dev/hda: 163.9 GB 163ect.. 86 heads 15 sectors/track, 248196 cylinders, units = cylinders of 1290*512 = 660480, Device, /dev/hda1, boot, *, Start, 1, End, 208090, blocks, 134217727+ id, 4 System , Fat 16 <32M, Disk /dev/hda1: 137.4GB 137438952960 bytes, 86 heads, 15 sectors/track, 208089 cylinders, units = clylinders of 1290*512=660480 bytes, device /dev/hdalp1, boot, *, start, 1, End, 208090, Blocks, 134217727+,
[07:17] <Seveas> Andares, which version of glibc do you use
[07:18] <HappyFool> hmm, interesting, zope needs older python
[07:18] <sorush20> Seveas, there seemes to be two boot partitions... and there seemes to be something really wrong.. abouttheir arragnement....
[07:18] <dabaR> haha,, funny story, some guy comes to #debian, and cant get help so he gets frustrated, and they tell him to f off, and so he says, ok now that Ive wasted my and your time, Im off to work. And one of the guys there says, "Ok, dude, dont be stingy with the fries..."lol...
[07:19] <dabaR> total burn.
[07:19] <Seveas> sorush20, if that is the complete output of sudo fdisk -l, your disk is messed up.... try manually installing grub on it (from that wiki url i gave) and see whether that helps...
[07:19] <dabaR> @seveas: whats up?
[07:19] <dabaR> come back down...
[07:19] <Seveas> dabaR, the roof is up
[07:19] <sorush20> Seveas, where is the uri.. again..
[07:19] <dabaR> so is the sunl~;)
[07:20] <Seveas> sorush20, wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringGrubAfterInstallingWindows
[07:20] <Seveas> dabaR, if you say so :)
[07:20] <dabaR> Seveas: you get the sun metaphore, icarus and stuff?:) ok enough about that.
[07:21] <catolh> Does gnome-bluetooth support usb bluetooth adapters?
[07:21] <ashok> folk, while booting, sometimes ubuntu displays "critical temperature reached" , is there something i can do regarding this ?
[07:21] <catolh> This is all pretty new to me, since i recently jumped to ubuntu from winxp.. :o
[07:21] <djp> catolh: yes
[07:22] <Seveas> ashok, move to the north pole? Or update your drivers/disaple temperature stuff if this is an incorrect reading.
[07:22] <sorush20> Seveas, this uri does not exsist, wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringGrubAfterInstallingWindows
[07:22] <catolh> djp, do you know what i need to do to make it work? I've installed gnome-bluetooth via the package manager, and i've connected the adapter to my usb port (it's detected in the device manager). Any idea what else needs to be done?
[07:23] <Seveas> sorush20, crap, someone must have changed it
[07:23] <Seveas> hang on
[07:23] <ashok> its not incorrect reading, my laptop shuts down immdtly
[07:23] <Seveas> sorush20, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[07:23] <Seveas> ashok, so the laptop is really that hot..?
[07:24] <ashok> Yes
[07:24] <swarm> why in hoary ubuntu /etc/esound/esd.conf has auto_spawn set to 0 and audio players doesn't work while setting auto_spawn to 1 all works? Is a default feature of to make audio players not working or I have missed something?
[07:24] <Seveas> ashok, and it gets that hot during a cold boot ?!?
[07:25] <ashok> sometimes it shuts down even when i am working
[07:25] <Seveas> ashok, I have that on one of my laptops and it's because my fan is too dusty. You should try to clean the fan
[07:25] <hybrid_goth> Andares: heh
[07:26] <ashok> oh oki. i shall try that out. thanks for ur help
[07:26] <canatella> hi
[07:27] <canatella> is the transition to modular Xorg completed ?
[07:27] <Andares> Seveas Andares, which version of glibc do you use
[07:27] <Baalkor> hi
[07:27] <Andares> What do you mean? libglib, libc, etc?
[07:28] <catolh> How do i go about and enabling direct rendering on ubuntu?
[07:28] <erchache> hi
[07:28] <erchache> i have a lot of problems to install a hp dl145 with ubuntu 45 via netboot pxe
[07:28] <Baalkor> (For the Direct rendering : just type glxinfo @ grep direct for know if Direct rendeing is enable
[07:28] <erchache> is it a bug or what?
[07:29] <swarm> catolh: xorg.conf Section "Module" ... load "dri"
[07:29] <erchache> because i install my own apache server to make mirror distro and doesnt runs
[07:29] <Andares> Seveas, I use libc6 and glib2.
[07:29] <DekaPink> Mmmm... Apache.
[07:29] <catolh> swarm, did a whereis xorg.. didnt find.. :o
[07:29] <DekaPink> I used to run it on windows. :3
[07:30] <swarm> catolh: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:30] <Seveas> Andares, that gives no information at all...
[07:30] <catolh> thanks
[07:30] <razerslut> hi i just tried to login on soulseek using nicotine and i got this error
[07:30] <razerslut> 12:29:32 Can not log in, reason: INVALIDPASS
[07:30] <razerslut> anyone know why?
[07:30] <Andares> Seveas, Well, what information would be useful?
[07:30] <Kyral> Wrong password?
[07:30] <sorush20> Seveas, i don't follow the wiki file... its talking about an fstabs... where do I find this anyways....
[07:31] <kolcvk> !mplayer
[07:31] <ubotu> it has been said that mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto
[07:31] <Kyral> sorush20, /etc/fstab
[07:31] <Seveas> Andares, dpkg -l *glibc*
[07:31] <Seveas> sorush20, are you at the prerequisites part?
[07:32] <catolh> weird, there is a "load "dri"" in xorg.conf.. and then i checked if direct rendering was enabled with "glxinfo | grep direct", and it said "direct rendering: no".. new drivers?.. :o
[07:32] <razerslut> kyral: im sure that is what it is but i dont know why i am getting it.
[07:32] <Andares> Seveas, http://rafb.net/paste/results/UIAQF470.html
[07:32] <sorush20> Seveas yes..
[07:33] <Seveas> Andares, sorry my mistake: dpkg -l *libc6* and please maximize your terminal before typing it
[07:34] <Andares> Okay.
[07:34] <teferi> boo, linux-image-2.6.12-4, but still no linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12
[07:34] <teferi> oh well.
[07:34] <Bitmastro> hi all
[07:34] <Seveas> sorush20, simply read on and follow the instructions. Ask here if you don't understand something or somthing goes wrong
[07:34] <Andares> Seveas, http://rafb.net/paste/results/eZmsUH71.html
[07:35] <tfort> i'm working with keybinding but i can't seem tog et pgdn tow ork in openbox , anyone have any ideas what it may be?
[07:35] <Seveas> brb...
[07:36] <catolh> *.run files.. executables?
[07:36] <Andares> catolh, I don't think os.
[07:36] <Andares> *so
[07:36] <Bitmastro> anyone here with a davicom network card?
[07:36] <HappyFool> Andares: looks like you have the right libc to me
[07:36] <HappyFool> catolh: might be. what does 'file <filename>' tell you?
[07:36] <catolh> Andares, the "new ATI driver installer" is a *.run file.. :o
[07:36] <Andares> yep....
[07:37] <Andares> catolh, try chmod +x filehere and then ./filehere in console
[07:37] <catolh> k
[07:37] <HappyFool> catolh: have you tried installing the ubuntu provided drivers?
[07:37] <HappyFool> !ati
[07:37] <ubotu> from memory, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:37] <sweetp> why doesn't "sudo apt-get update firefox" work?
[07:37] <HappyFool> catolh: read that wiki page for more info
[07:37] <catolh> HappyFool, ok ill check it out
[07:37] <tfort> sweetp, upgrade maybe?
[07:37] <sweetp> ah
[07:38] <sweetp> silly me
[07:38] <chrissturm> sweetp: its apt-get upgrade, and doesnt take a parameter
[07:38] <sweetp> The following packages have been kept back:
[07:38] <sweetp>   mozilla-firefox mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[07:38] <sweetp> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[07:38] <HappyFool> sweetp: latest firefox has some issues
[07:39] <sweetp> ah ok, thanks
[07:39] <sorush20> Seveas, when I type the following mount /dev/hda4 /mnt/work as in the uri you mentioned I get the message that mount:you must specity the filesystem type
[07:39] <tfort> don't deal with it, i have those as well all the time, they're blocked i believe
[07:39] <HappyFool> sweetp: though i don't know why your apt-get isn't upgrading, that's kind of weird
[07:39] <sorush20> how can I resolve thsi...
[07:39] <sweetp> i upgraded everthing last night
[07:39] <HappyFool> Andares: so that gcc command (from the redhat mailing list) gives you an error?
[07:39] <sweetp> but FF wasn't upgraded
[07:39] <sweetp> :(
[07:39] <thesaltydog> somebody knows where can I get the patch for gnome-app-install in Hoary? It doesn't work..
[07:39] <tfort> anyone here use openbox
[07:39] <kangtQc> hi there is ther anyone using latex please ?
[07:40] <sweetp> thesaltydog: where does it get stuck?
[07:40] <tomiki> hello
[07:40] <HappyFool> kangtQc: i do, though not much on ubuntu
[07:40] <basti> !tell basti about ati
[07:40] <kangtQc> ok HappyFool  do you know how i can use accent with latex ? i have to write in french
[07:40] <tomiki> y have one portatil pc p2 366
[07:41] <Baalkor> ascii
[07:41] <HappyFool> kangtQc: i think it's just \'a or \`a ?
[07:41] <thesaltydog> sweetp, it runs, and goes in an infinet loop, without display anything, with the clock-cursor-icon running
[07:41] <tomiki> and want to install ubuntu , but my pc have not a cd rom
[07:41] <HappyFool> kangtQc: also, if you use the right package, you can put in the characters in as is -- i don't remember the details
[07:41] <kangtQc> ok there's not an easiest way ?
[07:41] <tomiki> but y have de iso in the hd
[07:41] <kangtQc> ok HappyFool gonna check
[07:41] <sweetp> wierd, mie does that too
[07:41] <sweetp> mine*
[07:42] <Bitmastro> tomiki what os are you currently running?
[07:42] <Une-ga-dihi> gnomebaker will not do anything without crashing, anybody recommend something else?
[07:42] <dabaR> tomiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetbootInstallHowto?highlight=%28netinstall%29
[07:42] <thesaltydog> sweetp, someone told me there is a patch somewhere..
[07:42] <sweetp> and add remove applications gets stuck, any ideas?
[07:42] <Andares> HappyFool Andares: so that gcc command (from the redhat mailing list) gives you an error?
[07:42] <Andares> Yes.
[07:42] <Bitmastro> une-  use k3b
[07:42] <Andares> The same error.
[07:42] <sweetp> oh, ill have to look
[07:42] <tomiki> [bitmastro]  my pc its running win xp
[07:43] <Bitmastro> use the grub xo method on the link given by dabelt
[07:43] <Bitmastro> *grub xp
[07:43] <djp> dabaR: solution to my problem with nautilus and writing to cd. i needed to use configuration editor and enable burnproof and overburn. all working now. though you might like to know...
[07:43] <dabaR> cool
[07:44] <sorush20> guys is there a way of backing up partiotion table and boot record so that I don't get into this mess again..
[07:44] <dabaR> ok, Im off
[07:44] <Bitmastro> i have a lot of tulip_stop_rxtx() in my dmesg (davicom card) and my ethernet is half working... any suggestion?
[07:45] <sweetp> im off too, thanks for your help
[07:45] <sweetp> good luck saltydoy
[07:45] <sweetp> dog*
[07:46] <catolh> finally, direct rendering enabled.. thanks HappyFool
[07:46] <catolh> :)
[07:46] <HappyFool> catolh: cool
[07:46] <catolh> And now to get cedega working.. :s
[07:46] <thesaltydog> sweetp, bye
[07:47] <HappyFool> Andares: odd
[07:47] <Andares> >.< This is so stupid. Either I am going to figure out how to fix this header file or I'll install a different distro.
[07:47] <HappyFool> Andares: maybe you need the linux-headers package too
[07:47] <HappyFool> Andares: but that's a complete guess
[07:47] <HappyFool> Andares: and probably wrong
[07:47] <Andares> Hmm... I don't think so.
[07:48] <HappyFool> Andares: what does gcc --version|head -1 say ? and 'uname -r' ?
[07:49] <Andares> HappyFool, 3.3.5
[07:49] <Antinomy> FOlks, my ubuntu install is hanging at the "Ubuntu linux for human beings" screen
[07:49] <dmouritsendk> have anybody here tried using gnome-vfs/nautilus to mount a webdav resource?
[07:50] <Antinomy> ideas?
[07:50] <nubbe> I got trouble playing some quicktimes, especially hi-quality, I got totem-xine and w32codecs. Need some help
[07:50] <HappyFool> Andares: and (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2) ?
[07:50] <Andares> 2.6.10-5-386
[07:51] <Andares> HappyFool, 2.6.10-5-386 for uname -r
[07:53] <catolh> anyone installed the Cedega tgz package on ubuntu before?
[07:53] <HappyFool> Andares: odd. we seem to have the same gcc and libc. could you just install linux-headers-386 and see if it makes a difference? I can't think of any other differences
[07:54] <tomiki> hi
[07:54] <basti> could someone please help me installing/configuring the ati drivers?
[07:54] <tomiki> i have a portatil but dont have a cdrom
[07:54] <ompaul> sorush20, there is a way to do it on other distros, I can't find that way atm, I will keep looking if you want
[07:54] <tomiki> i need
[07:54] <tomiki> a disket
[07:54] <tomiki> or command for install
[07:55] <ompaul> there is my answer:)
[07:55] <Andares> Okay.
[07:55] <tomiki> ubuntus of hd
[07:55] <poningru> tomiki: whats a portatil?
[07:55] <basti> laptop I think ;P
[07:55] <tomiki> thosiba
[07:55] <tomiki> portege
[07:55] <tomiki> but i need
[07:55] <HappyFool> Andares: you did install the 'build-essential' package, right? to get gcc etc.
[07:55] <poningru> oh gotcha
[07:55] <tomiki> the command
[07:55] <tomiki> or the disket
[07:56] <Andares> Hmm...
[07:56] <Andares> I got gcc...
[07:56] <tomiki> for install ubuntus
[07:56] <tomiki> of my hd
[07:56] <bagpuss_thecat> is there any recommended bootsplash system to use with Hoary? I've had a look at upower, usplash, fbsplash, and splashy, but none seem to be _the_ one to use
[07:56] <poningru> tomiki: hold on I think there was something about install off of a network
[07:56] <poningru> dont remember anything about installing from a hd though
[07:56] <Andares> Erm.. nope.
[07:56] <Andares> 1 sec, lemme get that.
[07:56] <HappyFool> Andares: try installing build-essential -- maybe there's some missing dependency
[07:56] <ompaul> !grub floppy
[07:56] <ubotu> somebody said grub floppy was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy?highlight=%28floppy%29%7C%28grub%29
[07:56] <tomiki> [poningru] 
[07:56] <black-whisp> basti: for gamin g purpose?
[07:57] <Andares> HappyFool, k.
[07:57] <tomiki> i am other person
[07:57] <tomiki> i am one friend
[07:57] <tomiki> ;)
[07:57] <black-whisp> basti do you need the ati driver for gaming pupose?
[07:57] <basti> black-whisp, well, for getting an usable desktop, now my resolution is shit
[07:57] <basti> and I cant change it
[07:58] <black-whisp> basti okay try: sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:58] <basti> done it
[07:58] <Andares> HappyFool, still broken.
[07:58] <basti> and I changed my xorg.conf
[07:59] <basti> fglrxinfo
[07:59] <basti> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[07:59] <basti> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[07:59] <poningru> tomiki: here is what I found
[07:59] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsServerNetworkInstall?highlight=%28network%29%7C%28install%29
[07:59] <black-whisp> basti: hmm try at the #ati channel
[07:59] <basti> :S
[07:59] <black-whisp> they might be able to help there basti, im not a ati wiz. sorry.  :S
[07:59] <tomiki> thank you
[08:00] <Antinomy> Does anyone know a command that will let me launch the GUI from the command line?
[08:00] <basti> I installed the nvidia driver on my brothers pc. so much simpler....
[08:00] <basti> I hope ati burn in hell for this crappy driver
[08:00] <catolh> so games run like shit in wine right?
[08:01] <nikkia> basti, its not like the fact that the ati drivers are terrible is some big secret :)
[08:01] <m0r0n> just install winxp for gaming
[08:01] <catolh> and i need to pay for Winex (cedega) to get a useable performance?.. :\
[08:01] <nikkia> basti, unless you bought the card more than 5 years ago, you should have known about it :)
[08:01] <paulproteus> catolh: I don't think that's correct.
[08:01] <basti> ;(
[08:01] <m0r0n> You do need two operating system, ubuntu and winxp
[08:01] <catolh> paulproteus, so.. wine is useable?..
[08:02] <BlazingSteakSauc> anyone know how to force a fat32 hd to mount probperly i got the ntfs one mounted but the commands for the fat32 one did not work it shows it but not the files in it
[08:02] <HappyFool> Andares: do you have CFLAGS or any other variables like that set?
[08:03] <poningru> try mounting again some where else
[08:03] <poningru> its most likely something simple
[08:03] <coreyo> is there a way to tell apt to grab and download it only without checking dependencies?
[08:03] <BlazingSteakSauc> it mounts in media
[08:03] <BlazingSteakSauc> both do
[08:03] <bz0b>  hello fellow ubuntu users, i just loaded up a live disk of ubuntu 5.04, and i was wondering, how do i get root?
[08:03] <basti> coreyo, -f
[08:03] <poningru> bz0b: sudo <command>
[08:03] <paulproteus> bz0b: sudo su -
[08:04] <bz0b> ah, i see thanks
[08:04] <poningru> well yeah I guess what paulproteus said makes sense
[08:04] <nikkia> paulproteus: sudo -s is a better suggestion
[08:04] <coreyo> basti: apt-get -f --download-only <package> still complains about dependencies
[08:04] <poningru> asheesh since when do you hang out here?
[08:04] <nikkia> paulproteus: or if people want the equivalent of su -, then sudo -i
[08:04] <paulproteus> sudo -i !
[08:04] <catolh> how do i install the activex plugin for firefox?
[08:05] <paulproteus> I'll start using that in the future.
[08:05] <poningru> catolh: hold on let me get the help link
[08:05] <nemik>  hello, i'm looking for some advice on a problem with ubuntu. i use older pentium computers (PII) that query a phone via serial commands ever 10 seconds and then if there is a message there, they send it via cURL to a PHP script. i install ubuntu with server minimal option but find that it loses permissions on folders often and the daemon then no longer functions correctly. any help?
[08:05] <nikkia> paulproteus: if people ask about editing files as root, sudo -e {filename} is a good one to remember too
[08:05] <BlazingSteakSauc> i used sudo mkdir /media/windows
[08:05] <BlazingSteakSauc> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t vfat -o iocharset=utf8,umask=000
[08:06] <BlazingSteakSauc> it failed to work
[08:06] <hybrid_goth> is it in /etc/mtab and /etc/fstab?
[08:06] <catolh> poningru, thanks :)
[08:07] <poningru> catolh: http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/plugin.htm#download
[08:07] <paulproteus> nikkia: Interesting.
[08:08] <catolh> poningru, thanks again :)
[08:08] <poningru> np
[08:09] <BlazingSteakSauc> anyone know of another way to mount it?
[08:09] <poningru> there is a mozillazine forum thread about help with activex plugin
[08:09] <poningru> forum.mozillazin.org
[08:09] <liran> is it possible to put debian repositories of apt for ubuntu?
[08:09] <poningru> err
[08:09] <poningru> forum.mozillazine.org
[08:09] <poningru> liran: its possible but not reccomended
[08:09] <doonz> hey just mounted a ext3 drive but its got a lock on it and i cant do anything to that drive
[08:10] <liran> poningru: its just that debian has so many :p
[08:10] <catolh> poningru, weird.. tried out the precompiled plugin and i got "Installation of npmozax.dll failed. Error code -202"
[08:10] <poningru> catolh: you do realize that this is win only
[08:10] <catolh> oh..
[08:11] <nalioth> liran: possible but not advised. debian pkgs can break ubuntu
[08:11] <catolh> heh.. didnt know.. :p
[08:11] <poningru> oh maybe I should have mentioned that
[08:11] <poningru> doh
[08:11] <poningru> sory
[08:11] <tfort> just wondering
[08:11] <poningru> yeah you can use wine catolh
[08:11] <tfort> how do i use the update-rc.d to add a daemon?
[08:11] <tfort> i want to put mpd on it to startup everytime
[08:11] <tfort> not use to debian's style of doign this
[08:12] <poningru> catolh: hold on
[08:12] <zukalk> does anyone know where the gnome-panel definitions are stored? the drawers i have, their position, etc
[08:12] <tfort> nvm, just ifgured it out
[08:13] <Juhaz> zukalk, gconf
[08:13] <DekaPink> My friends won't listen to me and try Ubuntu... damn them... xD
[08:13] <zukalk> Juhaz, thanks
[08:13] <BlazingSteakSauc> lol
[08:13] <nalioth> DekaPink: thats' their loss
[08:14] <DekaPink> It's my fault in one case... I got my friend on Fedora once, but I hardly knew more than he did about it... So he kind of... equates linux with not working.
[08:14] <BlazingSteakSauc> ubuntu is cool just need to get something working for it to pwn
[08:14] <poningru> catolh: yeah sorry you have to use win for that
[08:15] <catolh> so, activex in linux is not a possibility?
[08:15] <catolh> :o
[08:15] <poningru> yeah sorry
[08:15] <Seveas> catolh, indeed
[08:15] <hondje> catolh: you can use cedega
[08:15] <hondje> but it's not free :(
[08:15] <poningru> um thats not free
[08:15] <nalioth> DekaPink: show your friend a LiveCD
[08:15] <poningru> try wine they have an ok experimental implementation going on
[08:16] <catolh> I just installed wine tho, and tried to install steam. But it said i needed mozilla's activex plugin and "tried" to download, but ended in an error
[08:16] <poningru> ah ic
[08:16] <gigaclon> I had that same problem
[08:16] <catolh> so im basically screwed?..:p
[08:16] <DekaPink> nalioth: I put Ubuntu on his computer, but then he just moaned about how he'd never use it. xD And my one other friends won't even have live cds shown to them... I d'know why... o.O Strange bunch of windowsholics....
[08:16] <poningru> catolh: yeah sorry
[08:17] <coreyo> what's the name of the utility that will spit out X keycodes as you type them?
[08:17] <tommi--> Hi. My computer broke, probably motherboard or processor, and I'm thinking of changing from Intel P IV to amd 64. Do I have to reinstall ubuntu?
[08:17] <BlazingSteakSauc> were is there a dowload of the debian wine binary winehq links failed to load for me
[08:17] <catolh> poningru, so basically the only thing i need to get steam working is cedega?
[08:17] <hybrid_goth> tommi--:  yes
[08:17] <poningru> catolh: yeah
[08:17] <hybrid_goth> for 64bit
[08:17] <poningru> but just use winxp for that
[08:17] <poningru> tommi--: if you dont wanna use 64bit then I dont think so
[08:18] <catolh> ok, will do
[08:18] <poningru> but not sure
[08:18] <poningru> catolh: good luck
[08:18] <DekaPink> BlazingSteakSauc: sudo apt-get install wine
[08:18] <catolh> poningru, thanks :)
[08:18] <BlazingSteakSauc> i'll try that but i still got prblems with it even after
[08:19] <BlazingSteakSauc> like the isp is gay and its the only one i got at the moment
[08:19] <DekaPink> BlazingSteakSauc, I'm sure that despite your ISPs faults, it has no such sexual orientation. :P
[08:20] <BlazingSteakSauc> is not the sexual kinda gay the kinda gay is in it freakin sucks
[08:20] <nonedead> where do i get wine
[08:20] <DekaPink> BlazingSteakSauc, the word gay is not synonymous with sucking. :P
[08:20] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got no choice in using some other isp though right now
[08:20] <tommi--> Argh, I just a month ago did reinstall due to dependency problem. What processor should I buy? I haven't looked at those for over a year so I don't know. I live in Finland so everything is 4-10 months behind usa in computer technologies.
[08:20] <BlazingSteakSauc> it is in that kinda of way
[08:21] <bz0b> anybody watch this yet: http://www.hackingdefined.com/movies/whax-aircrack-wep.html
[08:21] <basti> is there any point in updating my kernel? I got 2.6.10-5-386
[08:21] <zukalk> if i make a copy of my ~/.gconf/apps/panel/, can i, let's say, delete everything that's in my panel, and then restore it with the backup of the folder?
[08:21] <razerslut> hi, what is the best mp3/music player to use in ubuntu?
[08:21] <nonedead> where di i get wine
[08:21] <nalioth> razerslut: that is a subjective question
[08:22] <razerslut> well let us go with opinions
[08:22] <bz0b> exuse me, but what is ubuntu's package manager, like the program that updates and downloads and installs pacakges for me? e.g. yum is red hat and fedora
[08:22] <razerslut> hehe
[08:22] <razerslut> rhythmbox does not play mp3 without a plugin
[08:22] <mjr> razerslut, rhythmbox (the "Music player") is the default and I find it quite all right
[08:22] <nonedead> hey i need help
[08:22] <razerslut> i have heard of xmms many times and continue to hear about it
[08:22] <nalioth> bz0b: apt-get or its frontend synaptic
[08:22] <nicco> tommi-- wha tha heck are you talking about? i would think that usa is behind in computer tecnologies than europe / scandinavia.
[08:22] <razerslut> mjr: how do i make it play mp3's though?
[08:22] <nikkia> razerslut: i really wouldn't recommend xmms
[08:22] <catolh> i get these annoying sounds some times.. just suddenly a "pling pling!".. im not doing anything, is it because the trashbin has stuff in it?
[08:22] <nalioths_dog> razerslut: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[08:22] <mjr> razerslut, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:22] <razerslut> thank you
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> yea.. what they said. :P
[08:23] <NoOne> hi !
[08:23] <nikkia> xmms is very closely tied to the OSS sound system, and as modern linux systems use alsa not OSS, it tends to be buggy and crash
[08:23] <nonedead> i need help
[08:23] <tommi--> nicco: I'm sorry, I don't know what I wrote. I meant Finland is behind usa.
[08:23] <Seveas> nikkia, nonsense, xmms can use alsa or esd too...
[08:23] <nikkia> Seveas: both of which are VERY buggy output plugins
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> the 'beep media player' is not too bad. ive had no problems with xmms however.
[08:23] <paulproteus> quodlibet is great!
[08:24] <nikkia> Seveas: xmms is closely tied to OSS, many of the developers are the same between the two products
[08:24] <tommi--> nicco: I should've read your text twice.
[08:24] <Seveas> nikkia, they work fine for both xmms and beep
[08:24] <BlazingSteakSauc> gah i need a new isp
[08:24] <tommi--> nicco: Well, I I have thought that's the way, at least in prices. But never mind, I still don't what to buy :)
[08:24] <phixion> howdy ubuntians :)
[08:24] <nonedead> WHERE DO I GET WINE
[08:24] <Seveas> phixion, that is ubuntutites
[08:24] <nikkia> Seveas: not here, xmms will randomly break up with alsa as the output, and just plain crash every 2-3 minutes with arts or esd as the output plugin
[08:24] <nalioth> nonedead: that is uncalled for
[08:24] <phixion> :D
[08:24] <Seveas> nonedead, stop shouting
[08:25] <nalioth> nonedead: all your software comes from using synaptic
[08:25] <zukalk> nonedead, no need to shout. someone already told you that, but you didn't pay attention
[08:25] <Seveas> nonedead, and enable universe & multiverse and use synaptic
[08:25] <bagpuss_thecat> nonedead: is that a statement, or a question?
[08:25] <bagpuss_thecat> proper grammar usually helps
[08:25] <BlazingSteakSauc> looks like a question to me
[08:26] <phixion> Seveas, how do i enable universe & multiverse in synaptic?
[08:26] <Seveas> phixion: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:26] <phixion> thanks :)
[08:26] <Seveas> DekaPink, Ubuntu Lite is Ubuntu on P2 200 + 64mb or less
[08:27] <DekaPink> Seveas: Oooooh. Okay.
[08:27] <Seveas> ordinary ubuntu won't run nicely on such machines :)
[08:27] <jcapote> anyone here using a synaptics touchpad?
[08:27] <BlazingSteakSauc> it has
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> how about UbuntuUltraLigh :P
[08:27] <BlazingSteakSauc> i ran reg ubuntu on a 100mhz p1 with 64 meg ram for the hell of it
[08:27] <jcapote> i was wondering if there was a way to configure it
[08:27] <Seveas> jcapote, I use it on 2 laptops, worked out of te box
[08:27] <Determinist> i cant seem to be able to add the winxp entry under grub's menu.lst , any ideas on how this could be done? winxp is on hdb1
[08:27] <BlazingSteakSauc> it may run slow but no errors
[08:28] <jcapote> yea but i dont like the out of the box config
[08:28] <jcapote> i want to turn off "touch to click"
[08:28] <Seveas> jcapote, then you need to edit xorg.conf
[08:28] <jcapote> ok
[08:29] <Seveas> Determinist, in private chat
[08:29] <Determinist> Seveas, thank you sir
[08:29] <nicco> tommi-- you wrote that finnland is behind usa in computer technologies and i dont think thats the case. i think that we in europe and scandinavia is superior in computer technologies than usa thei are kinda stone age in my opinion. im running on a amd 64 3400+ proccessor. works fine. shouldt really matter what proccessor you buy to run ubuntu on.
[08:30] <goofyheadedpunk> I'm trying to get an rsync server running on my box, and I'd like it to come up at boot time. I run hoary, and have done very little modifications to the bootscipts. I've got a proper rsyncd.conf and I've edited /etc/defaults/rsync so that RSYNC_ENABLE=inetd. When I run /etc/init.d/rsync restart && ps -A | grep rsync I get nothing. /etc/init.d/rsync is edited so that RSYNC_ENABLE=true ( there are few comments in the file, so I 
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> I got ubuntu on my laptop with a TUrion cpu.
[08:30] <goofyheadedpunk> Starting the daemon manually from the command line works, but that's a pain.
[08:30] <rosco> hi
[08:31] <Seveas> nikkia, I missed your last message. But these crashes are not xmms' fault as it works fine on all systems i've seen so far...
[08:31] <chrissturm> goofyheadedpunk, the rsync doesnt need to run. its started by inetd
[08:31] <kyncani> goofyheadedpunk: you've setup inetd (and you should not), that means inetd will start rsync when needed
[08:31] <jcapote> Seveas: you can also configure it through synclient
[08:31] <jcapote> :)
[08:31] <Seveas> jcapote, ah
[08:31] <nikkia> Seveas: so its not xmms' fault when xmms just ups and dies? sorry, don't believe you, i've seen erratic behaviour from xmms on any non-OSS sound system since what seems like forever, and not just on my hardware either
[08:32] <nikkia> Seveas: the web is riddled with likewise comments about xmms 'not working properly' on alsa, arts, esd, etc too
[08:32] <HappyFool> hmm. plone.org is not a sterling advertisement for the plone product
[08:32] <DekaPink> Huh... Can I install the latest Firefox somehow? :3
[08:32] <Seveas> DekaPink, you shouldn't
[08:32] <rosco> I'm planning to install 4 or 5 linux workstations in replacement of w2k, for office and web purposes. Do you think that ubuntu is the good choice to minimize the migration difficulties (for the users ?). And what window manager do you think is the best for old windows users ? (gnome/kde ?)
[08:33] <Seveas> latest official FF and ubuntu packages are buggy
[08:33] <nJess> use KDE
[08:33] <nJess> windows users will adapt better to KDE
[08:33] <bz0b> what does this mean?
[08:33] <bz0b> http://www.hackingdefined.com/movies/whax-aircrack-wep.html
[08:33] <bz0b> nvm that link
[08:33] <DekaPink> Seveas: Okey dokey. :3
[08:33] <bz0b>   No volume groups found
[08:33] <bz0b> /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot: Cannot find LVM device
[08:33] <bz0b> Failed to create initrd image.
[08:33] <bz0b> dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 (--configure):
[08:33] <bz0b>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[08:33] <bz0b> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:33] <bz0b>  linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[08:33] <Seveas> fool
[08:33] <Seveas> never paste in here
[08:33] <DekaPink> I find I like ghome better than KDE~
[08:33] <goofyheadedpunk> I see I'm confused then. Hehe, I read inetd in /etc/defaults/rsync as initd. Hehe. Woops, thanks.
[08:33] <goofyheadedpunk> kyncani: Why shouldn't inetd spawn rsyn?
[08:34] <BlazingSteakSauc> were can i get a wine version that works for 5.04
[08:34] <mjr> rosco, yes, and the latter is a matter of taste, which in my case goes towards gnome
[08:34] <demirg> hi everybody, can anyone show me a tried howto about installing nvidia geforce ddr 256 driver at ubuntu???
[08:34] <DekaPink> BlazingSteakSauc, well, you said that you tried to get the debian one from the site... they have a ubuntu section with instructions? :3
[08:35] <BlazingSteakSauc> the link on winehq failed
[08:35] <BlazingSteakSauc> it just sent me to the doc
[08:35] <raven3x7> hello
[08:35] <nikkia> demirg: just follow any of the howto's on the subject, but make sure you do not get the latest driver, you need the last non-7xxx series driver for the Geforce 256
[08:36] <gooktime> Anyone care to recommend a good RSS aggregator?
[08:36] <raven3x7> i just noticed that amorok crashes with the nv 6629 driver in ubuntu hoary
[08:36] <raven3x7> amarok
[08:36] <BlazingSteakSauc> i need the download not the doc
[08:36] <razerslut> k wiki says i need to install gstreamer0.8-mad to play mp3 files in rhythmbox but that package isnt in synaptic
[08:36] <DekaPink> BlazingSteakSauc,  How is your ISP keeping you from using syanptic and/or apt-get? :p
[08:37] <DekaPink> synaptic*
[08:37] <raven3x7> razerslut add repositories
[08:37] <BlazingSteakSauc> its a realy dumb isp they had linux version way back but they are pure mac and windows now
[08:37] <raven3x7> !repositories
[08:37] <ubotu> repositories is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:37] <osarapik> hello, how can i put spanish ""s in the console?
[08:37] <demirg> nikkia why not non-7xxx, I tried  7667...
[08:37] <BlazingSteakSauc> brb
[08:37] <basti> if I would like to install the 2.6.11 kernel what would I hae to do?
[08:37] <nikkia> demirg: because nvidia no longer support anything older than the geforce 4
[08:37] <Seveas> osarapik, depends on your keyboard settings
[08:37] <nikkia> (and a handful of geforce 2 devices, but not all)
[08:38] <razerslut> i added repositories and it still is not there
[08:38] <razerslut> any ideas?
[08:38] <DekaPink> BlazingSteakSauc, you can still sign into it, I should think....
[08:38] <raven3x7> nikkia  i believe its anything older the geforce 2
[08:38] <snickkers> hey guys. I'm getting an error whenever i try to do something in kde that needs a root password. Example (on a newly installed hoary): I click System -> Administration -> Login Screen Setup. Enter root password. Error: Failed to run gdmsetup  child terminated with 1 status
[08:38] <nikkia> raven3x7: no, most of the geforce 2 and 3 series are EOL'ed too
[08:38] <raven3x7> razerslut you did an apt-get reload?
[08:38] <Seveas> snickkers, you do NOT need a root password for that
[08:38] <razerslut> no
[08:38] <snickkers> seveas: it asks for a password
[08:38] <razerslut> is that what i type in the term?
[08:38] <raven3x7> razerslut you did an apt-get update sorry
[08:38] <nikkia> raven3x7: there are exceptions on onboard stuff, and pro- cards
[08:38] <Seveas> snickkers, in fact, Ubuntu doesn't set one by default and you shouldn't set one yourself
[08:38] <demirg> nikkia: thanks, i will try 6111 :)
[08:39] <Seveas> snickkers, it needs YOUR password, it's sudo
[08:39] <Seveas> snickkers: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:39] <BlazingSteakSauc> back
[08:39] <razerslut> raven3x7: that is what i should type, apt-get update?
[08:39] <snickkers> oh, ok. thanks. So, during install (expert install) when it asked for an administration password - what was that?
[08:39] <nonedead> how do install wine
[08:39] <raven3x7> nikkia interesting... i just saw that there were som gf2 cards in thee and supposed that all werew still supported
[08:39] <nJess> sudo apt-get install wine
[08:40] <nonedead> i got the first part
[08:40] <nonedead> thanks
[08:40] <Seveas> snickkers, ok, expert install does want a root password (on warty)
[08:40] <nikkia> raven3x7: i suspect the ones that are in there are ones that nvidia has some contractual obligation to support :)
[08:40] <DekaPink> BlazingSteakSauc, so you're saying you can't sign on to your ISP in linux?
[08:40] <Seveas> but still the menu uses sudo and that needs a user password NOT the root password
[08:40] <BlazingSteakSauc> yup
[08:40] <BlazingSteakSauc> its a retarded isp
[08:40] <DekaPink> BlazingSteakSauc, what kind of service is it?
[08:40] <raven3x7> razerslut you need to sudo apt-get update or u can use synaptic and push the reload button
[08:40] <BlazingSteakSauc> aohell
[08:40] <snickkers> ok, so root password is only really for rescue boot (pressing ESC at grub load)?
[08:41] <BlazingSteakSauc> i told them it sucks and to go some were cheaper and better
[08:41] <DekaPink> BlazingSteakSauc, Oooooh... I don't know anything about them. Heh.
[08:41] <Seveas> snickkers, not even for that: if you don't have a root password set, that will auto-login
[08:41] <razerslut> gstreamer0.8-mad still isnt in my package list, what should i do?
[08:41] <nonedead> thank you its installing now
[08:41] <nikkia> raven3x7: tbh, its going to be a nightmare for distros like ubuntu that offer a means to install the nvidia drivers
[08:41] <BlazingSteakSauc> aohell=aol
[08:41] <Seveas> and ESC at grub load has NOTHING to do with Ubuntu passwords...
[08:41] <shan> hello everyone :)
[08:41] <Seveas> those are grub passwords
[08:41] <Seveas> hi Shachaf
[08:41] <Seveas> shan*
[08:41] <DekaPink> BlazingSteakSauc, yes, I know. I'm not quite that daft. xD
[08:41] <snickkers> ahhh ok. cool. Ubuntu is very nicely set up
[08:41] <raven3x7> nikkia nvidia supposedly will release legacy drivers for the older cards
[08:41] <Seveas> snickkers, it is indeed :)
[08:41] <BlazingSteakSauc> some are
[08:42] <DekaPink> The only problems I've had with Ubuntu are ones I caused myself. xD
[08:42] <nikkia> raven3x7: no, their official word is 'use the last 6xxx series driver'
[08:42] <Seveas> DekaPink, hehe :)
[08:42] <nikkia> raven3x7: even if they do release updated 'legacy' drivers, which i doubt, it still means you split the nvidia-glx drivers into two seperate drivers
[08:42] <DekaPink> Like accidentally screwing up gaim... but I fixed that. :3
[08:42] <raven3x7> nikkia im sure i read that somewhere on nvidias site maybe though they changed strategy?
[08:43] <nonedead> hey will i be able to run ut 2004 on wine
[08:43] <DekaPink> Now if I could only figure out how to uninstall crossover office since I don't really have a use for it. o.O
[08:43] <BlazingSteakSauc> nvidia drivers are universal as they always have been
[08:43] <alejandro> holas
[08:43] <razerslut> gstreamer0.8-mad still isnt in my package list, what should i do?
[08:43] <DekaPink> nonedead: Isn't there a native linux version of that game?
[08:43] <raven3x7> razerslut are you sure?
[08:43] <nikkia> raven3x7: they keep old drivers around, so presumably will offer 6111 for 'ever', but still, it makes nvidia-glx hard to implement
[08:43] <razerslut> should i reboot?
[08:43] <razerslut> it isnt on the package list at all, for some reason
[08:43] <raven3x7> no wont help
[08:43] <nonedead> i cant get the .sh to run
[08:43] <Seveas> razerslut, never reboot :)
[08:43] <jcapote> how can i make it so that when i close the screen on my laptop, it doesnt lock the laptop
[08:44] <DekaPink> BlazingSteakSauc, Have you asked around to see if there's a way to get your aol to work? x)
[08:44] <alejandro> exit
[08:44] <raven3x7> nikkia actually 7174 is the last to support older cards i blieve
[08:44] <Seveas> razerslut, enable universe and do apt-get update
[08:44] <BlazingSteakSauc> yeah only 2 options so far and both suck
[08:44] <Seveas> jcapote, edit /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[08:44] <razerslut> seveas:E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:44] <razerslut> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:45] <catolh> is it normal for mplayer to "bork up" if i install a new ati driver?
[08:45] <raven3x7> razerslut are you using both synaptic and apt-get? or did u use apt-get without udo?
[08:45] <raven3x7> sudo
[08:45] <razerslut> i did both
[08:45] <razerslut> and used sudo
[08:46] <Seveas> razerslut, close synaptic
[08:46] <razerslut> seveas: alright, i will never reboot
[08:46] <ed1t> razerslut, is your synaptic package maager open?
[08:46] <razerslut> already closed.
[08:46] <ed1t> manager*
[08:46] <raven3x7> razerslut dont use synaptic and apt-get at the same time
[08:46] <snickkers> I checked that RootSudo URL you pasted seveas, still didnt address my problem, which still stands (despite my previous misconception about *which* password was being requested)... I'll repeat my question...
[08:46] <Seveas> razerslut, reboots are only neccessary when you do a kernel upgrade
[08:46] <razerslut> okay
[08:46] <razerslut> good
[08:46] <razerslut> i like that
[08:46] <snickkers> hey guys. I'm getting an error whenever i try to do something in kde that needs a sudo password. Example (on a newly installed hoary): I click System -> Administration -> Login Screen Setup. Enter password. Error: Failed to run gdmsetup  child terminated with 1 status
[08:46] <crocodile> hello everyone
[08:46] <razerslut> alright, the apt-get worked now
[08:47] <Seveas> snickkers, the expert install does not setup sudo properly
[08:47] <Seveas> add yourself to /etc/sudoers as root
[08:47] <razerslut> however, the package i need still is not there
[08:47] <razerslut> any ideas?
[08:47] <raven3x7> razerslut try sudo apt-cache search gstreamer and see if you can find gstreamer-mad in the results
[08:47] <Seveas> razerslut, paste your sources.list on a pastebin please
[08:48] <snickkers> ok. I'm not adverse to a reinstall. as a n00b, is doing a non-expert install a wise move?
[08:48] <Seveas> snickkers, the 'expert' install is not a wise move as n00b. The 'server' and default install are
[08:49] <snickkers> ok, thanks. Probably best to reinstall to avoid further complications
[08:49] <razerslut> seveas: where is this file located?
[08:49] <crocodile> I have two NICS in my computer, one connected with cablemodem, and other connected with other computer (win 98). My problem is when two are active, connections not work. Only works if one nic is active. Any idea to solve that problem ?
[08:49] <Seveas> but you should simply setup sudo properly now by adding yourself to /etc/sudoers and this problem will be gone :)
[08:49] <Seveas> razerslut, /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:49] <razerslut> k thanks
[08:49] <snickkers> ok
[08:49] <Seveas> snickkers, the line should look like: dennis  ALL=(ALL) ALL
[08:49] <Seveas> replace dennis with your login name
[08:50] <razerslut> seveas: http://pastebin.com/319247
[08:50] <snickkers> ok, I'm having more trouble. I can't edit sudoers cos i'm not in the sudoers file - chicken/egg problem
[08:50] <Seveas> razerslut, that's not the complete file....
[08:50] <Seveas> please paste the complete file there
[08:50] <snickkers> oh its ok, i got it now
[08:51] <Seveas> snickkers, you have set a root password, you can use su to become root :)
[08:51] <snickkers> yeah, i realsed that a seconds after i said it :P
[08:51] <osarapik> another question, uhm.. to compile a kernel 2.6.12.3, is there some configure file in the web that works well?
[08:52] <Seveas> osarapik, use te ubuntu kernel sources...
[08:52] <Seveas> but 2.6.12 will not work properly on hoary...
[08:52] <snickkers> IT WORKED *hugs Seveas* you're a genious - thanks heaps :D
[08:52] <osarapik> ok, thanks seveas
[08:52] <razerslut> http://pastebin.com/319249 seveas
[08:53] <Seveas> razerslut, that sources.list dows not include universe, that's why it does not appear :)
[08:53] <Seveas> razerslut, delete all lines from that file and add all lines from paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[08:54] <razerslut> ok, thanks
[08:54] <Seveas> that is a complete listing of all official ubuntu repositories
[08:54] <snickkers> I'm sure I'll be back shortly with more Qs :P
[08:54] <thespiritoftal> I have installed amule and want to remove it how can i do that?
[08:54] <iceman> Anyone able to give me the pros and con's on going to a 64 bit  system..
[08:54] <bina> icaman: pro, you can add up to 2^64... i think :)
[08:55] <grimster> i get an error "Kernel panic - not syncing: no init found. try passing the init= option to kernel."
[08:55] <Seveas> iceman, pro: you're prepared for the next decade of computing. con: lots of proprietary software is still missing (like flash)
[08:55] <iceman> bina looking at geting a low end AMD 64 2800 system .... barebones cheap ...
[08:55] <raven3x7> nikkia i see what you mean with nvidia-glx. they will need to split it up in two packages i suppose. btw amarok does not work with nv 6629
[08:55] <Seveas> and con: it's too new to be rock-solid stable (but it's good)
[08:56] <bina> iceman: cool
[08:56] <grimster> anyone know what my error means?
[08:56] <HappyFool> iceman: what are you planning on using your computer for?
[08:56] <bina> doesnt unix time roll over for 32 bit procs in 2038?
[08:56] <bina> will 64 bit processors still count up
[08:56] <nJess> grimster, it means you have no boot command going to the kernel
[08:56] <nikkia> raven3x7: its just going to be a neverending source of headaches
[08:56] <grimster> and how do i fix that?
[08:57] <iceman> HappyFool high end gamming ... and to start looking into 64 bit computing ...
[08:57] <nonedead> how do i use it
[08:57] <Seveas> grimster, did you compile your own kernel..?
[08:57] <grimster> no
[08:57] <grimster> i downloaded the iso file from the site
[08:57] <Seveas> bina, 2039 actualy if struct timval does not change
[08:57] <HappyFool> iceman: i'd check that games you're interested in have 64 bit versions first
[08:57] <Seveas> iso file for what..?
[08:57] <nikkia> raven3x7: since the 'driver' is just a stub loader for a binary module, its a shame nvidia didn't make the stub detect the hw and load the older binary if the card isn't supported, at least that way it could be distributed as one driver package
[08:57] <grimster> boot disc for ubuntu
[08:58] <HappyFool> iceman: i'm under the impression a good graphics card is more important, though i may be wrong
[08:58] <crocodile> does anyone can help to make work two nics in my computer using ubuntu ?
[08:58] <Seveas> grimster, do an md5sum check of the iso
[08:58] <bina> can you run 32 bit apps on 64 bit procs?
[08:58] <crocodile> hello
[08:58] <Seveas> bina, yes
[08:58] <iceman> Happyfool well farcry is 64 bit ... and i beliee doom 3 is as well ...
[08:58] <signbarn> Given a choice for a download on a webpage, is it better to choose the .tar.gz with a script installer or do something like alien an .rpm?
[08:58] <raven3x7> nikkia yeah and to get that old drivers to work properly on future x.org implementations. highly unlikely it will be possible to support it in a year or so if they dont make a legacy package
[08:58] <grimster> someone said that the computer wasnt recognizing my hard drive last night
[08:58] <nikkia> raven3x7: *nod*
[08:58] <ed1t> signbarn, .tar.gz
[08:58] <signbarn> thanks
[08:59] <masta_> does anyone know what would make my screen shake?
[08:59] <nikkia> raven3x7: the whole deal really leaves a bad taste in my mouth, i always used to say 'nvidia are great, they support (almost) all of their hardware for years'
[08:59] <ed1t> signbarn, .rpms are for redhat based distros
[08:59] <sproingie> an earthquake?
[08:59] <cloud> hi..there's someone who can help me with samba?
[08:59] <masta_> neg no earthquakes
[08:59] <grimster> masta if you have a fan on near your screen it will shake :p
[08:59] <iceman> I know 64 bit is still a  evolving platform, but it will be the future of the desktop soon ..
[08:59] <sproingie> nikkia: something go wrong with nvidia drivers?
[08:59] <nikkia> raven3x7: i mean, prior to this split, the only released nvidia card that had no driver support was the NV1, and that was so utterly understandable that it wasn't worth counting :)
[08:59] <signbarn> edlt: doesn't alien turn .rpms into .debs?
[08:59] <cloud> nikkia: hi man how are u?:D
[08:59] <masta_> no.. it seems to be linked to usage i.e. once you run ut2004 it will start to shake after a while
[09:00] <raven3x7> nikkia on windows tnt cards havent been supported for about 2 years
[09:00] <sproingie> masta_: up and down, or across or wavy picture or what?
[09:00] <nikkia> raven3x7: thats not true
[09:00] <Seveas> signbarn, it does....
[09:00] <masta_> wavy
[09:00] <cloud> nikkia: do u know why my xp clients can't read my shared files with samba? it says to me "access denied".-.
[09:00] <sproingie> masta_: you have a crt i take it?
[09:00] <masta_> correct
[09:00] <nikkia> raven3x7: i work with TNT based hardware at work, and just recently dl'ed nvidia's driver package for XP, and it detected and used the card just fine
[09:00] <sproingie> masta_: i'd say your crt has problems
[09:01] <iceman> nikkia yea even nvidia's newest drivers still support the older tnt cards ..
[09:01] <nikkia> iceman: the latest linux drivers do not
[09:01] <Seveas> cloud, you need to create a samba password with smbpasswd
[09:02] <signbarn> Seveas, is it messy or something?
[09:02] <cloud> !???
[09:02] <ubotu> cloud: No idea
[09:02] <nikkia> iceman: which is the point, the latest linux drivers support GF4 and up, and a handful of specific GF2 and GF3 based cards
[09:02] <Seveas> signbarn, rpm's are messy :)
[09:02] <raven3x7> nikkia i mean they havent released any new drivers for about two years. xp has been around for more so naturally there are xp drivers
[09:02] <iceman> nikkia humm i just moved up from a nvidia 400 series to a 5500 but both worked for me ...
[09:02] <masta_> sproingie: ill try a different one, thanks
[09:02] <Seveas> nikkia, the 7667 still supprts tnt2....
[09:03] <cloud> Seveas: i executed and changed password for my user...but i can't read the files in the other computers...my xp clients..
[09:03] <nikkia> seveas, uh? since when?
[09:03] <raven3x7> Seveas are you sure?
[09:03] <DekaPink> I wish I knew why games were running so slow on my linux partition. :3
[09:03] <BlazingSteakSauc> xfce works on ubuntu right?
[09:03] <Seveas> nikkia, raven3x7 the nvidia.com site says so...
[09:03] <iceman> I wonder if 64 bit at this time is worth the $200.00 it would cost me to upgrade ...
[09:04] <Seveas> http://nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp
[09:04] <nikkia> Seveas: i don't think it does
[09:04] <paulproteus> iceman: It depends - what do you have currently?
[09:04] <sproingie> iceman: probably not.  you using anything that could make use of 64 bit?
[09:04] <BlazingSteakSauc> iceman 64 bit is smoking
[09:04] <Seveas> if i select graphics - tht2 - linux it gives me that...
[09:04] <nikkia> Seveas: that's a flaw in their web interface then
[09:04] <sproingie> iceman: 64 bit doesnt become useful until you have a database and over 4 gig of ram
[09:04] <iceman> paulproteus a P4 2.8 ... non hyper threading Dell
[09:05] <nikkia> seveas, the readme for 7667 states:
[09:05] <nikkia> Below are the legacy GPUs that are no longer supported in the unified driver.
[09:05] <nikkia> These GPUs will continue to be maintained through the special legacy NVIDIA
[09:05] <nikkia> GPU driver releases.
[09:05] <nikkia> and then in the list:     RIVA TNT2 Ultra                    0x0029
[09:05] <raven3x7> nikkia iceman new nvidia windows drivers dont support tnt1 based cards i use one on this pc
[09:05] <Seveas> nikkia, hmm, a flaw indeed
[09:05] <sproingie> iceman: basically, all 64 bit mode does for most apps is give you more usable registers
[09:06] <testtt> how do I change the mouse driver ? it scroll by itself right now
[09:06] <grimster> im haing a problem with my 64bit while using my lanparty mobo
[09:06] <grimster> i cant figure out why :\
[09:06] <iceman> curious thing is ... what will be the large gains in 64 bit in the next year ...
[09:07] <JDahl> is someone using wireless network on an IBM t40p? I could use some advice
[09:07] <sproingie> i think if you want to support an 8 year old card, you should run an 8 year old kernel
[09:07] <BlazingSteakSauc> besides faster running of 32 bit apps
[09:07] <drcode> hi all
[09:07] <drcode> I need some help
[09:07] <nikkia> raven3x7: its interesting to note that the GF2MX is listed as supported, i'm fairly sure it wasn't before when they first announced the split in supported cards
[09:07] <iceman> their barely touching the math of the 64 bit platform ... and comparinr 16 and 32 bit ... and now 32 to 64 bit ...
[09:07] <robotgeek> sproingie, why not have kernel support, but just not built on. or in modules, u want it , u load  it!
[09:08] <everett_> Speak, and yea might be answered, drcode... drcode.... drcode....
[09:08] <sproingie> iceman: even 64 bit isn't interesting as far as bus sizes go.  even the ps2 has a 128 bit bus.  32 bit instructions, but it transfers 4 at a time
[09:08] <drcode> I try to download with bitchx
[09:08] <drcode> some bot I see that the  file is send but it dosnt estblish
[09:08] <drcode> any idea?
[09:08] <raven3x7> nikkia i didnt really read all the cards. maybe they discovered that it worked by accident or something
[09:08] <nikkia> raven3x7: makes me wonder if they want to support everything, but haven't yet got OpenGL 2 support working on anything but the current list
[09:08] <Seveas> drcode, this is not a general irc help channel, go to #bitchx or so....
[09:08] <crocodile> in gnome .. exist some ftp client ?
[09:09] <Seveas> crocodile, gftp or the places -> connect to server menu item
[09:09] <nikkia> raven3x7: because this driver split is all about OpenGL 2.0
[09:09] <drcode> what is there irc server?
[09:09] <everett_> drcode, your probaby running a firewall.
[09:09] <drcode> yes
[09:09] <robotgeek> crocodile, gftp
[09:09] <drcode> but I open all pors
[09:09] <drcode> ports
[09:09] <crocodile> ok
[09:09] <sproingie> nikkia: at least nvidia is actually supporting ogl 2.0... i'll wait in vain for ATI to ever support it
[09:10] <nikkia> raven3x7: and i know that part of the problem is that the older cards have very limited texture sizes, and i believe OpenGL 2.0 gets rid of a lot of the 'must be < 1024 pixels wide/high' stuff
[09:10] <iceman> memory still needs to evolv to catch up to the 64 bit platform.. but to move to a kv8 pro Motherboard and a AMD 2800 cpu, would there be a noticable gain from a 2.8 P4 ...
[09:10] <raven3x7> nikkia i dont think even all 7 series cards support hardware opengl 2.0
[09:10] <everett_> drcode, you'll probably need to ask someone more familiar with bitchx and firewalls.
[09:10] <sproingie> *shrug* ati drivers are stable now, they're damn fast for blender, but my next card will be an nvidia nonetheless
[09:10] <sproingie> i'm not so much burned by ATI, just disappointed
[09:11] <sproingie> Seveas: a little spring cleaning?
[09:11] <raven3x7> nikki then it might be that they need a minimum of onboard memory to get opengl 2.0 working
[09:11] <Seveas> sproingie, yeah sort of
[09:11] <trs81> hey .. I've got acpi s3 sleep working, but it only works once per reboot. using an asus w5a laptop. any ideas?
[09:11] <mbirkis> aafter installing the 1.0.2 firefox update... i am unable to download stuff without right clicking the download link :( this is amd64, is there a bug database or something on ubuntu?
[09:11] <nikkia> raven3x7: no a lot of the older cards cannot store textures that they should be capable of, due to limitations in the GPU firmware
[09:12] <Seveas> mbirkis, known bug, the latest official and ubuntu package break a lot
[09:12] <sproingie> i always liked moo's ban command set
[09:12] <nikkia> raven3x7: in most cases, nvidia should be able to correct those, if they are so inclined, as nvidia has almost always used soft-firmware
[09:12] <Seveas> mbirkis, downgrade to the previous version
[09:12] <mbirkis> Seveas: ok... thnx
[09:12] <sproingie> @newt <user> for <duration>
[09:12] <the_beginner> Hi guys , newb question here from the_beginner....If i'm trying to copy a pdf from cd to linux how do i do it if its got a ' in..... usually i can just go like cp "Akoolpdf.pdf" /path/path/path  .... But if its got a ' in, e.g. cp "A'koolpdf.pdf" /path/path/path, it doesn't work, do i have to rename the file first??
[09:12] <Seveas> the_beginner, escape the '
[09:13] <Seveas> mv A\'koolpdf.pdf
[09:13] <Seveas> etc...
[09:13] <raven3x7> nikkia interesting. didnt know that... i might be a bit too much work though to get support for those cards then though
[09:13] <nikkia> raven3x7: for example, a TNT2 cannot store a texture of 4096x256, it has the ram, it just can't, the firmware limits texture size to 2048
[09:13] <mbirkis> Seveas: err... how do i downgrade??
[09:13] <the_beginner> "escape" the ' ??? is that some Linux command, or did you just mean leave it out?
[09:13] <Seveas> mbirkis, in private chat
[09:13] <the_beginner> lol
[09:14] <mbirkis> Seveas: ok
[09:14] <the_beginner> Oh i see, is that what the slash is about? stick one of them in before the ' ?
[09:14] <Seveas> yes
[09:14] <raven3x7> nikkia you seem to be into grph cards a lot
[09:14] <iceman> but to move to a kv8 pro Motherboard and a AMD 2800 cpu, would there be a noticable gain from a 2.8 P4 ...
[09:14] <the_beginner> Oh hehe, yeah the error has one of them in or something
[09:14] <sproingie> odd.  in double-quotes, a single-quote should already be escaped
[09:14] <nikkia> raven3x7: i program OpenGL stuff for a living :P
[09:15] <the_beginner> Maybe its telling me what to do but i'm just being dumb >_<
[09:15] <the_beginner> lol
[09:15] <the_beginner> Thanks anyway
[09:15] <tux_> opa
[09:15] <nikkia> raven3x7: and i've had the misfortune of working with the TNT2 and i740 in that capacity, the i740's GL implementation is even more broken than the TNT2s :)
[09:15] <raven3x7> nikkia now that would explain it. ;) must be a cool job actually to work on that stuff
[09:16] <tux_> hello people
[09:16] <tux_> Hey... I need some help...
[09:16] <Seveas> tux_, read the topic: just ask
[09:16] <tux_> I 'm working in ubuntu... but I need to access my windows partition...
[09:16] <grimster> does anyone else have a 64amd and an nvidia nforce3 250gb chipset mobo?
[09:16] <Seveas> tux_: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[09:16] <keikoz> mount it
[09:16] <tux_> tks
[09:16] <the_beginner> You know i think everyone should consider getting linux, just for the level of realtime help & support in these places, lol.
[09:17] <Seveas> the_beginner, hehe :)
[09:17] <raven3x7> nikkia my tnt1 seems to handle gl better than dx on windows though
[09:17] <sproingie> grimster: i have such a setup
[09:17] <grimster> im having a problem and i have no idea why
[09:17] <nikkia> raven3x7: oh, nvidia's GL implementations are always fast
[09:17] <AlexBO> hello friends!what is the folder of fonts?
[09:17] <Seveas> AlexBO, /usr/share/fonts
[09:17] <AlexBO> Seveas: thanks! bye
[09:18] <osarapik__> grimster, i have a  buddy that has this mobo, a nforce3 with an amd 64bit
[09:18] <osarapik__> it's run fast
[09:18] <osarapik__> =)
[09:18] <sproingie> grimster: there's no need to msg me
[09:18] <tux_> Hey guys...  what do you now about XPde??
[09:18] <nikkia> raven3x7: unbelievably fast sometimes... one thing i was working on, we had a 70,000 polygon model, and we thought we'd try rendering it in realtime, just for a laugh, on a TNT2 *PCI*, it managed 20fps - with realtime shadows and reflections, not enough for our needs, but still impressive really
[09:18] <sorush20> does the sis graphic card work with ubuntu...
[09:18] <sproingie> grimster: what's the prob you're having with it?
[09:18] <grimster> well my ubuntu installation is not loading
[09:18] <grimster> i get the error..
[09:18] <grimster> i get an error "Kernel panic - not syncing: no init found. try passing the init= option to kernel."
[09:19] <raven3x7> nikkia in fact i played jedi academy on this card (stb velocity 4400)
[09:19] <Seveas> grimster, did you perform an md5sum check of the .iso file?
[09:19] <grimster> it worked before i got the new processor and mobo
[09:19] <raven3x7> nikkia for a card that was released about 6 years ago that is impressive indeed
[09:19] <sproingie> grimster: you're using the same kernel on a new mobo?
[09:20] <sproingie> grimster: that may well not work at all
[09:20] <raven3x7> TNT2 pci?
[09:20] <nikkia> raven3x7: it was faster on the TNT2 than it was on my old 9200SE :P
[09:20] <grimster> i guess so, my windows installation doesnt work either
[09:20] <nikkia> raven3x7: yes, as in a TNT2 with 32MB of vram, sat in a plain 33MHz PCI slot :)
[09:20] <osarapik__> grimster, do you have the 64 bit ubuntu cd?
[09:20] <Seveas> nikkia, raven3x7 would you mind taking this off-topic discussion outside the channel...
[09:20] <sproingie> grimster: ouch.  i cant imagine you switched to sata, since you have the same hd
[09:21] <raven3x7> i wasnt aware they even released tnt2s on pci
[09:21] <nikkia> raven3x7: the hardware it was running on has no AGP ports, which i thought was a bit odd for a Athlon XP 2800+
[09:21] <sproingie> grimster: i don't know what else could be failing.  does anything boot, like a livecd?
[09:21] <grimster> i use sata
[09:21] <sproingie> grimster: that's it then
[09:21] <grimster> thats a problem?
[09:21] <sproingie> grimster: you need the nvidia sata driver, and your old kernel doesn't have it
[09:22] <grimster> hmm
[09:22] <grimster> i have a raid driver floppy
[09:22] <Seveas> sproingie, isn't that driver awfully new?
[09:22] <JDahl> I am trying to configure my wireless network, but I cannot choose "eth1" under system->administration->networking. Where can I check if eth1 is setup at all? During installation I was asked to choose between setting up ethernet or wireless, but I chose ethernet at the time
[09:22] <PIANIST> hey guys... anyone uses lostirc?
[09:22] <sproingie> grimster: the installer will install it
[09:22] <grimster> what installer?
[09:22] <sproingie> Seveas: beats me
[09:22] <sproingie> Seveas: it seems plenty stable to me
[09:22] <VeloxS> Question: I recently installed Ubuntu, today I went to compile WINE, and I used Synaptic to install GCC and such, but makedep seems to be missing.
[09:22] <grimster> im still in bios on that computer :\ lol cant get any OS installed on it
[09:22] <emX> hey all; trying to get my brother's warty->hoary upgrade polished off...still can't get sound to work.
[09:23] <sproingie> grimster: the ubuntu installer.  your old configuration might not have bothered to install it
[09:23] <Seveas> sproingie, yeah good call
[09:23] <sproingie> grimster: i would guess the 64 bit kernels have it compiled in, since it's a common chipset
[09:23] <grimster> the ubuntu installer doesnt fully load though..?
[09:23] <Seveas> sproingie, hehe, Ubuntu kernels are minimalistic
[09:23] <emX> he has a cs46xx compatible card, modules are loaded, tried editing (asound|esd).conf, still no go.
[09:23] <Seveas> sproingie, drivers are almost never compiled into the kernel
[09:23] <Ba2> how do I enable directsound under wine?
[09:23] <Seveas> always modules
[09:24] <Seveas> and they need to be in initrd, which the installer does
[09:24] <sproingie> Seveas: yeah but how would it load the module without the driver?
[09:24] <grimster> so i have to download a 64bit ubuntu iso file?
[09:24] <Seveas> sproingie, initrd :)
[09:24] <sproingie> Seveas: how it loads the kernel at all is a mystery, but probably some bios trick
[09:24] <sproingie> Seveas: even the initrd is on the disk.  like i said, i'm guessing some kind of bios support
[09:24] <Seveas> sproingie, bios loads grub, grub loads kerenel + initrd (which contains modules), kernel loads modules
[09:25] <Seveas> sproingie, indeed, but the fact that the kernel starts means that grub is ok with it
[09:25] <grimster> sproingie tell me what to download or install please
[09:25] <emX> i know nobody wants to fix another sound problem (i idle here often enough to know that :-), but any ideas?
[09:25] <Seveas> I think that the module is just missing from initrd
[09:25] <sproingie> grimster: if you have another linux that can target the disk, you can copy a new initrd with the proper module
[09:25] <tvon> Did something change with inotify in 1.6.12-4?
[09:25] <sproingie> grimster: that's pretty hairy tho ... you'll probably just need to reinstall
[09:25] <tvon> er, 2.6.12-4
[09:25] <grimster> okay...you just lost me
[09:26] <grimster> this is my first time with linux, :\
[09:26] <tvon> I don't seem to have /dev/inotify and I have the argument passed during boot
[09:26] <sproingie> grimster: yeah, it means you probably don't have that setup.  sorry, but changing motherboards is a rough ride with any OS
[09:26] <tvon> and I see nothing in changelog.Debian
[09:26] <carl> Amaranth, why?
[09:26] <tvon> (about inotify in the recent release)
[09:26] <grimster> so what should i do?
[09:26] <Seveas> grimster, try reinstalling....
[09:26] <sproingie> grimster: i think you're going to have to stick the install CD in and reinstall.
[09:27] <grimster> but i told you i get an error message
[09:27] <grimster> you said its because i use sata
[09:27] <sproingie> grimster: the motherboard manufacturer might have a disk for windows that can fix the windows side.  otherwise you're looking at a reinstall there too
[09:27] <sproingie> grimster: yep, the sata drivers are specific to the motherboard
[09:27] <grimster> well i have a cd that came with the mobo and a raid diskette
[09:28] <Amaranth> carl: What?
[09:28] <grimster> what would have the sata drivers?
[09:28] <carl> why fsck from win?
[09:28] <Amaranth> carl: because i kill my /boot and i think a fsck will fix it
[09:28] <sproingie> grimster: the raid disk might have the sata drivers.  beats me what's on it tho, it probably requires a working os to install
[09:28] <grimster> hum
[09:28] <Amaranth> carl: i have no ubuntu CD and no blank CDs
[09:28] <grimster> ill try to figure this out, one second brb
[09:28] <Amaranth> carl: i'm hoping a fsck will fix it, otherwise i just lost smeg 0.8
[09:28] <VeloxS> Question: I recently installed Ubuntu, today I went to compile WINE, and I used Synaptic to install GCC and such, but makedep seems to be missing.
[09:28] <carl> Amaranth, what abourt floppys?
[09:29] <maney> okay, how do i do something so brain-dead stupid easy I haven't had to think about it in years.  I've got a plain ol' WAV file - what in Hoary plays it (and why isn't it just there?)
[09:29] <Fanskapet> hmm anyone know how to config grub to boot BeOS ?
[09:29] <aru> what is it all these people are using WINE for?
[09:29] <Amaranth> carl: nope, otherwise i'd be using tomsrtbt already
[09:29] <sproingie> maney: just about anything should play a pcm wav
[09:29] <maney> sproingie: not sound player
[09:29] <sproingie> maney: wav isn't actually a single file format, it's a meta format
[09:29] <JDahl> How can I configure my atheros wireless netcard post install? It shows up in lspci, but there is no eth1 in the networking applet
[09:29] <sproingie> maney: it usually means 44.1khz pcm audio tho
[09:30] <maney> sproingie: that's the case here, in fact
[09:30] <sproingie> maney: soundplayer doesn't play it?  how crummy.  try anything else.
[09:30] <Amaranth> carl: basically i need an fdisk and fsck for windows that understand ext3 filesystems
[09:30] <carl> Amaranth, i hear thare are ext2 for win, but A) they cost $ and  B) I would worry that in trying to get them to work things get worse
[09:30] <sproingie> maney: it's like one of the simplest audio formats there is
[09:31] <maney> sproingie: what else?  if I need to play hunt the wumpus for simple stuff i may as well use Sarge and skip all this Gnome overhead
[09:31] <grimster> hmm anyone have any ideas on how to install sata drivers for a nforce3 250 mobo?
[09:31] <maney> sproingie: yeah, that's why I'm flabbergasted that it doesn't Just Work
[09:31] <sproingie> maney: don't ask me, i run kde :)
[09:31] <carl> Amaranth, does the box or nic support PXE netboot?
[09:31] <grimster> sproingie
[09:31] <Amaranth> carl: possibly
[09:31] <sproingie> grimster
[09:32] <carl> Amaranth,  what do you use for a dhcp server?
[09:32] <grimster> it say i can install the nvidia raid or the nvidia storage controller
[09:32] <Amaranth> my cable modem
[09:32] <grimster> shoul;d i try the storage controller?
[09:32] <sproingie> Carl: cne way to make windows read ext2 is to run colinux and export the fs via samba
[09:32] <ompaul> maney, the same reason that it does not 'just work' in sarge
[09:33] <grimster> sproingie ^^
[09:33] <maney> ompaul: well, I suppose I should have said Woody, but yeah, it's easy
[09:33] <carl> sproingie, samba isn't going to let him reparir a broken fs
[09:34] <robotgeek> does anyone know how do i check from the command line if headphones have been plugged in?
[09:34] <sproingie> carl: no, i don't suppose so.  it's ok for reading a working fs
[09:34] <grimster> sproingie should i try to install the NVIDIA NForce storage controller?
[09:34] <grimster> is that the SATA driver?
[09:34] <aru> robotgeek: I would check the plug first :)
[09:35] <sproingie> grimster: that's probably what you want.  the name of the module is sata_nv, that's all i know
[09:35] <robotgeek> aru, i know...
[09:35] <robotgeek> and btw, smiling will get you sued now!
[09:35] <sproingie> grimster: i'd install everything that says nforce
[09:35] <aru> dammit! :/
[09:35] <ompaul> maney, :-) perhaps, but there is a situation where one should have some understanding why something is not 'free' in the RMS sense, after all there are those that would love to make the ownership of Linux illegal, look at the patents thing for one, the mpg encumberment, if nothing else that comes to the fore, at that point can choose to think in a political way or not, but if it just works then they do not have a chance
[09:35] <grimster> nvatabus.sys is the file it has on the floppy i think
[09:36] <maney> ompaul: oh, WAV is unfree?  funny, i never heard that before
[09:36] <sproingie> grimster: that's what you need for windows.  not sure how you'll install that without a working windows tho
[09:36] <ompaul> sorry maney woops
[09:36] <sproingie> grimster: that's possibly what you'll need as a OEM driver floppy to install windows tho
[09:36] <grimster> in at the reformat windows screen
[09:36] <maney> ompaul: hey, if there were some sensible reason for it not to work I wouldn't be so peissed that it doens't  :-)
[09:36] <grimster> im in the SCSI/RAID installation part
[09:37] <robotgeek> see, my problem is that when i use aumix to increase the volume,there are two channels ..Master (which increases the volume of the headphones) and PC Speaker which increases the volume of the speaker on the laptop
[09:37] <grimster> hopefully i can get this installed then ubuntu :)
[09:37] <ompaul> maney, apt-get install oggdec might help
[09:38] <maney> ompaul: yeah, i guess it's time to start trying one thing s, then another...
[09:38] <robotgeek> and I want to 'intelligently' turn off the speakers if headphone is inserted.
[09:38] <ompaul> maney, I typically go for all the oggvorbis stuff to start
[09:38] <maney> ompaul: ogg is useless to me, I'm afraid
[09:38] <robotgeek> in the volume control panel, there's a headphone detection flag which works well..there must be a cli version, i dunno where it is!
[09:39] <ompaul> maney, that codec does wav
[09:40] <maney> ompaul: codec, check.  what interface works with it?
[09:40] <JDahl> by googling on my wireless network it seems I need madwifi drivers... do I need to download and compile those myself?
[09:40] <ompaul> maney, totem should pick it up with little or no prompting
[09:40] <Seveas> JDahl, no
[09:40] <Seveas> they should be installed by the installer
[09:41] <Seveas> ompaul, /usr/share/sounds/*
[09:41] <maney> ompaul: if it does it will be the first time totem has done anything right for me.  BTW, aptitude finds nothing matching oggdec.  any idea what it's called?
[09:41] <JDahl> Seveas, lspci shows my network card, but not dmesg.
[09:41] <aru> System > Administration > Synaptic then search for ogg
[09:42] <maney> ompaul: heck, never though of throwing totem at it - it says there "movie player"
[09:42] <Seveas> JDahl, modprobe ath_pci
[09:42] <grimster> alright no im loosing my paitients, this is the fourth day ive wasted trying to get this to work
[09:42] <maney> well, there we go.  the "movie player" plays sounds better than the "sound player".
[09:42] <ompaul> maney, I listens to lots of stuff with precious totem :)
[09:43] <maney> thanks ompaul!
[09:43] <ompaul> maney, np
[09:43] <JDahl> Seveas, FATAL: Module ath_pci not found.
[09:43] <artist303> hi all
[09:44] <Seveas> JDahl, do you have the restricted-modules package installed?
[09:44] <ivan_qk> hi, which diretory si top-level kernel directory?
[09:44] <ompaul> ivan_qk, for source?
[09:44] <ivan_qk> yes
[09:44] <Seveas> JDahl, package linux-686 (intel CPU) or linux-k7 (AMD)
[09:44] <artist303> is it normal that the gFtp does not support FTPS?
[09:44] <Seveas>  /usr/src/linux
[09:44] <artist303> do i have to compile it from source?
[09:44] <Seveas> artist303, on Ubuntu: yes
[09:44] <PDani> hi
[09:44] <ivan_qk> i wanna recompile kernel
[09:44] <Seveas> artist303, on Ubuntu: yes <-- the not supporting sftp part
[09:45] <PDani> i tried to compile lirc modules, and i got the next message:
[09:45] <sorush20> guys what is the basic way of installing from source...
[09:45] <ivan_qk> i trying some stuffs for learn linux
[09:45] <Seveas> ivan_qk: You can find compilation instructions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[09:45] <sproingie> ivan_qk: what for?
[09:45] <PDani> /usr/src/linux/ is not a valid kernel source tree.
[09:45] <PDani> but /usr/src/linux is a valid kernel source
[09:45] <JDahl> Seveas, this is new installation, and I never bothered to install a 686 kernel instead of the default 386. Do I need to?
[09:45] <Seveas> ivan_qk, but don't unluss you have a good reason...
[09:45] <sproingie> JDahl: it'll make virtually no difference
[09:45] <Seveas> JDahl, linux-386 should contain it too, lemme check
[09:45] <anachronism> JDahl, i switched, but i notice no difference
[09:45] <ivan_qk> not really, i just wanna learn
[09:45] <PDani> any idea?
[09:45] <artist303> Seveas: so it looks like that ftps support wasn't configured in the gftp package? why?
[09:45] <Seveas> ghem JDahl it seems that it does *not*
[09:45] <Seveas> artist303, ENOIDEA
[09:46] <Seveas> JDahl, you should install linux-686 to get the atheros module
[09:46] <resiak> Go go OpenSSH license being incompatible with the GPL!
[09:46] <artist303> Seveas: hm, ok. thanks
[09:46] <JDahl> Seveas, ok - thanks!
[09:46] <anachronism> I once read that the 386 only can handle up to 860 MB of RAM and the the 686 can handle more than that, is it true?
[09:47] <sproingie> even that is incompatible with the GPL
[09:47] <paulproteus> resiak: Eh?
[09:48] <sproingie> anachronism: you can address up to at least 2 gigs on any x86 cpu supported by linux
[09:48] <ivan_qk> Seveas, thanks for the url
[09:48] <anachronism> wow okay thank you for that information
[09:49] <grimster> i still cant find the drivers sproingie
[09:49] <sproingie> anachronism: if you have more than 2 gigs you might need the address extension stuff in a newer kernel, but i dont think even that takes a recompile
[09:49] <sproingie> grimster: on the ubuntu install cd?
[09:49] <Seveas> sproingie, it will :)
[09:49] <grimster> i cant get it to load
[09:49] <grimster> what else can i use instead of sata?
[09:49] <sproingie> grimster: nothing, if your drive is sata, you need sata
[09:49] <aru> a typewriter?
[09:50] <anachronism> no no, i only have 1024 MB of Ram, i switched to the 686 kernel image because i read the previously mentioned (mis)information, but as i said, i noticed no difference in Ubuntu
[09:50] <grimster> well im kind of lost and this driver disc is not working
[09:50] <sproingie> grimster: if you're using the ubuntu install cd, try just installing.  if it manages to install, it has the drivers built in
[09:50] <grimster> it wont load man
[09:50] <sproingie> grimster: otherwise it will croak the moment it starts to install packages, possibly during partitioning
[09:50] <sproingie> grimster: where does it die?
[09:51] <grimster> after i hit enter to start the cd to load
[09:51] <grimster> i see the ubuntu screen
[09:51] <grimster> that says type server or just hit enter
[09:51] <grimster> and i hit enter
[09:51] <grimster> it goes for like 10 seconds and then it stops at that error i told you before
[09:51] <sproingie> anachronism: stuff like media players gets a real speed boost with a compile for the cpu you're using.  a kernel is a pretty dumb thing that just runs your chipset and other hardware, so cpu optimizations don't help much
[09:52] <sproingie> anachronism: a lot of the difference between x86 cpu's is floating point.  the kernel doesn't even use it at all
[09:52] <nalioth> grimster: did you check your md5 checksum before you burned the disk (if it is a burnt disk)?
[09:52] <Seveas> grimster, i think sproingie and I misunderstood the problem
[09:52] <Seveas> grimster, did you put your CD drive on sata via a converter?
[09:52] <Andriyushka> hello
[09:52] <grimster> do you understand it now? :\
[09:52] <ompaul> grimster, okay, I have seen this before, simple recovery available, choose to install server, then when it is finished do this 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'
[09:52] <grimster> uh let me try
[09:53] <anachronism> sproingie: thank you for all that information :) I didn't even compile, i just downloaded the image via synaptic and boot it via grub. But i will keep that image now. thanks again
[09:53] <JDahl> Seveas, thanks for the help - that could've taken me along time to figure out!
[09:53] <Andriyushka> does asyone here know the .conf file with all the customisation information of nautilus is?
[09:53] <grimster> now i got a bunch of error that came up
[09:54] <Seveas> Andriyushka, customization of what..?
[09:54] <grimster> and it still didnt load fully
[09:54] <Seveas> grimster, did you put your CD drive on sata via a converter? <--
[09:54] <Andriyushka> like background and theme selection
[09:54] <grimster> what do you mean a converter?
[09:54] <ompaul>  /home/username/.nautilus/metafiles
[09:54] <Seveas> Andriyushka, that's not in a conf file
[09:54] <Andriyushka> ok THX
[09:54] <Andriyushka> :)
[09:54] <sproingie> Seveas: that would be an odd thing. i think most people just plug it into the ide controller
[09:54] <Andriyushka> ok
[09:54] <Seveas> Andriyushka, http://art.gnome.org/faq.php
[09:55] <Seveas> sproingie, afaik sata does not support cd drives
[09:55] <ompaul> grimster, you started the machine afresh?
[09:55] <grimster> well im attempting to
[09:55] <Seveas> sproingie, so the cd drive must be plugged into a normal ata port
[09:55] <Andriyushka> ok thank you
[09:55] <grimster> i just bought a new mobo and upgraded from a 32 to a 64
[09:55] <aru> grimster: reinstall with the 64 bit iso
[09:55] <ompaul> grimster, okay this is bit?
[09:56] <sproingie> aru: mmm next problem he'll have is getting a 32bit chroot going
[09:56] <grimster> the computer doesnt work. period.
[09:56] <ompaul> grimster, like aru said
[09:56] <grimster> im on another computer
[09:56] <grimster> that computer has no OS on the hdd
[09:56] <aru> sproingie: go buy a p200?
[09:56] <SynapseR> Is it possible to use a bluetooth modem in ubuntu-live ?
[09:57] <sproingie> aru: got a p166 sitting next to me.  thought i'd use it for hacking forth or something like that
[09:57] <aru> sproingie: donate it to grimster to solve his problem :)
[09:57] <sproingie> aru: full tower.  shipping would cost twice as much as what it's worth
[09:57] <aru> good point
[09:58] <teferi> SynapseR: i don't see why not, you'd just have to grab the relevant packages if it doesn't have the bluetooth stuff already
[09:58] <grimster> whats a p166?
[09:58] <teferi> ppp stuff already comes installed , so...
[09:58] <sorush20> guys.. I'm having problems installing ndiswrapper...
[09:58] <SynapseR> teferi : which packages would I be looking for ?
[09:58] <sproingie> grimster: 166 mhz pentium. ancient.
[09:58] <grimster> rofl
[09:59] <grimster> sproingie can i pm you fora  sec?
[09:59] <sorush20> I'm trying to compile from the source.. but I just don't know the basics... can someone help please.. ?
[09:59] <sproingie> actually she has an original ibm xt sitting around somewhere
[09:59] <sproingie> she being the owner of the p166
[10:00] <aru> I have some computer I was going to fix for someone at work, then they got fired... I should install something on it and use it
[10:00] <teferi> grab bluez-utils, bluez-hcidump, bluez-pin
[10:00] <osarapik__> i have a p133-48MB for my mother, it's is disconnected since ... six months :D
[10:00] <teferi> use "rfcomm" to set up a rfcomm channel to your phone
[10:01] <teferi> use "pppconfig" to set up a ppp connection using /dev/rfcomm0 as a modem
[10:01] <ompaul> sorush20, what package is it, where did you get it,
[10:01] <teferi> (you'll have to find the username and password to use from your provider)
[10:01] <Fanskapet> hmm so we don't have any good old BeOS users around here? :D
[10:01] <raven3x7>  is it possible to get dma on startup on ubuntu hoary?  i edited the hpdarm file according to the unofficial guide but that doesnt work
[10:01] <AlexBO> where can i dowload plugin for xine?
[10:01] <teferi> pppconfig is lovely, incidentially...setting up a modem in linux these days is just ridiculously easy
[10:02] <raven3x7> !dma
[10:02] <ompaul> sorush20, to make life easy do this 'sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[10:03] <sorush20> I have used synaptic to install the ... .here is the link to the package.... http://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-1.2.tar.gz
[10:03] <AlexBO> hello!where can i dowload plugin for xine?
[10:03] <SynapseR> teferi : I want to use it for a GPRS dial in - *99#
[10:03] <SynapseR> will that work with pppconfig ?
[10:04] <sorush20> ompaul thats all verywell but the problem is that I'm trying to use ndiswrapper to get an internet connection running on my pc... so apt-get will not work with out a connection...
[10:04] <ompaul> sorush20, you have a CD it might be that in there you will find such a package
[10:05] <kolcvk> is there some web editor like Dreamweaver on Linux ?
[10:05] <Mobus> EVIL!
[10:05] <Mobus> WYSIWYG IS THE SOURCE OF ALL EVIL IN THIS WORLD!
[10:05] <ompaul> sorush20, http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ubuntu that might help a little
[10:06] <aru> actually WYSIWYG is a good song...
[10:06] <ompaul> Mobus, you could strip that comment back with a lack of caps lock
[10:06] <raven3x7> kolcvk nvu
[10:06] <sorush20> the utili.. package is there.. however the modules are not.... I do have the modules package on the ubuntu system its just a matter of installing it...
[10:06] <Mobus> actually, i just held SHIFT, I didn't use cpas lock
[10:06] <Mobus> caps*
[10:06] <sorush20> ompaul how do I install a .deb package...
[10:07] <zukalk> sorush20, sudo dpkg -i <filename.deb> ?
[10:07] <raven3x7> Mobus frontpage is the source of all evil
[10:07] <JackMcCrack> sorush20: dpkg -i bla.deb
[10:07] <aru> sorush20: did you check Synaptic for the app you want?
[10:07] <Mobus> That too
[10:07] <aru> or package
[10:07] <DAC1138> people who say things are evil are evil
[10:07] <Mobus> frontpage is a type of WYSIWYG
[10:07] <_blake> hi all
[10:07] <aru> Pitchshifter has a song on their first album called WYSIWYG
[10:07] <zukalk> Microsuck is the main source of evil
[10:07] <Mobus> hewwo
[10:07] <Mobus> That also
[10:07] <kolcvk> :)
[10:08] <anachronism> what kind of genre is pitchshifter? sorry for being off-topic
[10:08] <ompaul> sorush20, dpkg -i package.deb
[10:08] <phixion> Mmm, when I click on some links in firefox (dloadable links) it doesnt work, anyway of getting it to work?
[10:08] <DAC1138> sounds like a sport
[10:08] <Gochfulshigan> I AM MOBUS GOCHFULSHIGAN DORPHIN! FEEL MY WRATH! FOR I AM AN UBUNTU USERS! AHHAHAHAHA!
[10:08] <DAC1138> "pitchshifting"
[10:08] <epiloc> hey DAC1138
[10:08] <Gochfulshigan> -s
[10:08] <Gochfulshigan> at the end
[10:08] <DAC1138> epiloc, howdy
[10:09] <epiloc> just wanted to say thanks for all the help...  and I have a weird question for you
[10:09] <DAC1138> uh oh, i guess we know who to boot instantly
[10:09] <ompaul> epiloc, no it is never ever weird, just not often :)
[10:09] <epiloc> yeah, beter hurry
[10:09] <sorush20> aru: I don't have internet on that computer until i use ndiswrapper to intall a Linksys card. for wireless conncection
[10:09] <DAC1138> epiloc, what weird question?
[10:09] <M509> I am M509.  We are the borg.  You will now be assimilated. Resistance is Futile
[10:09] <aru> sorush20: alrighty :)
[10:10] <epiloc> well, does anyone have any experience with CPAN?
[10:10] <ompaul> M509, we are real you will be written out :)
[10:10] <Mobus> Ahh that;'s better
[10:10] <raven3x7> pitchshifter are nu metal i believe. never heard them my self though. btw wayyyy off topic
[10:10] <epiloc> actually, ill get more specific.  im having trouble installing Net::Pcap
[10:10] <Mobus> sry about my little outburst... I kinda had to get it out of my system...
[10:10] <raven3x7> \m/
[10:11] <djp> raven3x7: u told someone ealrier to use !dma for info on dma and ubuntu. could you tell me how i type that command in order to get the advice?
[10:11] <epiloc> anyone had troubles installing Net-Pcap?
[10:11] <zukalk> !dma
[10:11] <raven3x7> djp i typed that for my self  actulally !dma should do it
[10:11] <thespiritoftal> can someone tell me how to extract a *.tar.gz archive?
[10:12] <zukalk> djp, ubotu will PM you with info about dma
[10:12] <DAC1138> ah, tr0ll quit, i guess he found we were on to his game
[10:12] <raven3x7> actually
[10:12] <thenuke> thespiritoftal: tar xvzf .tar.gz
[10:12] <DAC1138> tr0ll, welcome back, IRC problems?
[10:12] <DAC1138> epiloc, what is pcap?
[10:12] <djp> !dma
[10:12] <razerslut> what package/plugin do i need to install to play .avi files in totem?
[10:12] <DAC1138> epiloc, wireless app?
[10:12] <epiloc> DAC1130, a network util
[10:12] <thenuke> thespiritoftal: man tar and or man gzip would work also ;)
[10:12] <thespiritoftal> thx the nuke :)
[10:12] <DAC1138> epiloc, you cant install it from apt-get?
[10:12] <sorush20> guy... could some one really just try to look at the package for me and let me know how to install it...  please...
[10:13] <epiloc> im using wget
[10:13] <epiloc> from a website
[10:13] <JackMcCrack> how can i disable the gnome window decoration, just for licq? any hints?
[10:13] <hou5ton> i don't think some of my stuff is updating ... I see on the website that the latest Gaim is 1.4, but my Synaptic says I'm up to date with 1.1.4 ??/  what's up
[10:13] <thenuke> thespiritoftal: thespiritoftal or tar --help and or gzip --help :-)  I dont blame you but you should always try to figure it out by yourself, most often you can figure it out and learn something :)
[10:13] <HappyFool> sorush20: which package?
[10:14] <razerslut> what package/plugin do i need to install to play .avi files in totem?
[10:14] <anachronism> hou5ton: is there "ubuntu" in front of the version information?
[10:14] <sorush20> here is a link to it.... http://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-1.2.tar.gz
[10:14] <raven3x7> hou5ton ubuntu ussually only backports security and bug fixes. it doesnt upgrade software\
[10:14] <tom__> how can I change the mouse driver ? it scrolls by itself right noiw ..
[10:14] <nalioth> razerslut: w32codecs
[10:14] <sorush20> happyfool, i try to make, and I get the following error saying that could not find the kernel source in a location
[10:14] <sorush20> could you help..
[10:15] <hou5ton> 1.1.1-4-1Ubuntu-1.3 ... or something like that
[10:15] <razerslut> nalioth: is that in synaptic?
[10:15] <JackMcCrack> tom__: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:15] <anachronism> razerslut: i think "totem-xine" should work too, the package
[10:15] <tom__> thanks jack
[10:15] <raven3x7> razerslut you will probably be much better off with mplayer though
[10:15] <aru> anachronism: did you get my privmsg?
[10:15] <hou5ton> oh ... I'm obviously new at this ... but I thought it auto-upgraded software
[10:15] <HappyFool> sorush20: you are aware that ubuntu comes with a version of ndiswrapper already?
[10:15] <nalioth> razerslut: ubotu sent you a msg
[10:16] <razerslut> raven3x7: how shall i install this? google might tell me huh?
[10:16] <sorush20> well... yes.. I can get as far as installing the inf file for the network card and beyond that I'm lost?
[10:16] <nalioth> razerslut: dont use backports regularly, cuz it maymake your system unable to upgrade
[10:16] <Mobus> ok I just downloaded xmame from the package manager, but where did it install it to? How do I open it?
[10:16] <raven3x7> razerslut with apt or synaptic of course
[10:16] <hou5ton> how do I make Ubuntu get the latest version of software?
[10:16] <HappyFool> sorush20: i don't use ndiswrapper; my point is, i doubt you need to compile anything
[10:17] <gigaclon> !backports
[10:17] <ubotu> I heard backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[10:17] <thenuke> hou5ton: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:17] <thenuke> hou5ton: or use synaptic
[10:17] <xzzy> hi! first time install. nice. went well..except
[10:17] <ompaul> tech installs email for boss - boss gets ideas about email - emails all his minions - then walks around to their offices to see if they got it - strange the things that stick in your mind from 15 years ago
[10:17] <HappyFool> sorush20: is there nothing on the wiki regarding ndiswrapper?
[10:17] <thenuke> xzzy: :-) but?
[10:17] <dabaR> Mobus: tried xmame in a terminal?
[10:17] <Mobus> typing in xmame?
[10:17] <demirg> nikkia: you there?
[10:18] <xzzy> didn't get to set root passwd. Just user How to set root, now?
[10:18] <ompaul> !sudo
[10:18] <ubotu> somebody said sudo was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:18] <HappyFool> sorush20: have you read this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[10:18] <hou5ton> thenuke:  I'm in Synaptic right now ... and it says I already have the latest version
[10:18] <artist303> I have found the solution for the gFtp "bug"! Maybe it was a packaging problem, if there is no openssl on the machine then build gFtp from source, FTPS support will not be enabled.
[10:18] <nalioths_dog> xzzy: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:18] <nikkia> demirg: sort of
[10:18] <ompaul> xzzy, that !sudo ref was for you :)
[10:18] <raven3x7> hou5ton ubuntu upgrades only bugs and security. when gaim realeses a new version with bug fixes they get put intu ubuntus version instead of updating the whole package
[10:18] <xzzy> thank you!
[10:18] <demirg> nikkia: :)
[10:18] <nikkia> demirg, i'm wading thru building a LFS system
[10:19] <demirg> nikkia: can i ask you a small thing?
[10:19] <xzzy> yes! Thanks!
[10:19] <nikkia> demirg: what is it?
[10:19] <tux_> Hey people... I'm back....
[10:19] <demirg> nikkia: i tried NVIDIA-6111 but i get an error message like:
[10:19] <dabaR> Mobus: sure, tried that? hit enter after.
[10:19] <hou5ton> raven3x7:  so ... if I want the latest version of Gaim ... do I just need to get it from their site?  I'm obviously not quite understanding where to go from here.
[10:19] <razerslut> to install mplayer should i select all the mplayer packaes in synaptic or just a specified few?
[10:19] <artist303> In configure there is no option to --enable-ssl, but --disable-ssl
[10:19] <demirg> nikkia: The rivafb driver conflicts with the NVIDIA driver; the NVIDIA kernel module will still be built and installed,
[10:19] <demirg>          but be aware that the NVIDIA driver will not be able to  function properly if the rivafb module is loaded!
[10:20] <raven3x7> hou5ton, yes
[10:20] <Mobus> dabar: it still doesn't work
[10:20] <aru> razerslut: read the information about each one and see if you need it
[10:20] <nikkia> demirg, that's just a warning
[10:20] <nalioth> artist303: if --disable is the only option you see, ssl is compiled in by default
[10:20] <aru> razerslut: some may be plugins for oddball stuff you wont need
[10:20] <demirg> nikkia: do u have any idea how to fix it?
[10:20] <artist303> so if there is no openssl, then complies without FTPS support without any complain
[10:20] <_erazor_> I am about to install ubuntu, can I install it on a Raid 0 stribeset on VIA VT8237 Southbridge SATA-Raid? Please query me the answer.
[10:20] <nikkia> demirg: unless you actually have the rivafb loaded, in which case, don't use the framebuffer :P
[10:21] <demirg> nikkia: yea but i cannot log on to X because of that warning :)
[10:21] <raven3x7> razerslut safe bet is mplayer-386
[10:21] <hou5ton> well ... isn't that special ... they don't have it on their web site for Ubuntu
[10:21] <razerslut> raven3x7: alright
[10:21] <hou5ton> windows, fedora, RH and Mandrake
[10:21] <nikkia> demirg, its more likely you can't log on to X because you haven't configured X properly yet :)
[10:21] <artist303> nalioth: I think it was not intended to build this way by ubuntu packagers
[10:21] <demirg> nikkia, might be true :)
[10:22] <raven3x7> hou5ton, debian should work
[10:22] <jode> Hi, I upgraded firfox to 1.0.6 and now it isn't working right, getting errors . Is there anyway to undo the upgrade
[10:22] <_erazor_> would someone please answer me? :)
[10:22] <raven3x7> hou5ton, no debian?
[10:22] <hou5ton> raven3x7:  it doesn't list a Debian version
[10:22] <nalioth> artist303: i'm sorry, i havent followed what you are trying to do, please inform me
[10:23] <raven3x7> you could try using alien with one of rpms. or you could check if debian sid has 1.4
[10:23] <osarapik__> the xmms show playing but i don't listen anything, any idea?
[10:23] <raven3x7> hou5ton, you could try using alien with one of rpms. or you could check if debian sid has 1.4
[10:23] <_erazor_> I am about to download ubuntu, can I install it on a Raid 0 stribeset on VIA VT8237 Southbridge SATA-Raid? Other linux distributions always detect the RAID0 as 2 independent discs so I can not install them without destroying the RAID.
[10:24] <epiloc> I wouldnt reccomend alien unless last option
[10:24] <ezsquirt> osarapik : set output to libesd
[10:24] <jode> can someone help me?
[10:24] <hou5ton> raven3x7:  or ... I suppose I could experiment with FC4 ... wonder what it's like
[10:24] <raven3x7> hou5ton, alternativly you could try compiling but custom packages are a pain to manage
[10:24] <demirg> nikkia, ERROR: Unable to load the kernel module 'nvidia.ko'.  This is most likely because the kernel module was built using the wrong kernel source files. Please make sure you have installed the kernel source files for your kernel;
[10:24] <grimster> what is a free iso burning program?
[10:24] <aru> nautilus
[10:24] <hou5ton> raven3x7:  compiling a custom package would be way above my head right now
[10:24] <demirg> nikkia, this was the error message i got
[10:25] <gigaclon> k3b grimster
[10:25] <tahorg> hi
[10:25] <anachronism> grimster, "K3b"
[10:25] <aru> grimster: nautilus
[10:25] <fabien_> je suis franais
[10:25] <thingfish> hou5ton: if it's like the rest of the fedoras, it's a bleeding edge bug collection.
[10:25] <tahorg> fabien_: /j ubuntu-fr
[10:25] <tahorg> #
[10:25] <hou5ton> thingfish:  thanks for the warning ... maybe i'll reconsider  :-)
[10:25] <zukalk> fabien_, on t'aidera mieux chez #ubuntu-fr
[10:25] <fabien_> oui tahorg
[10:25] <raven3x7> dunno about FC4 but i didnt like FC3 much and the whole livna vs other repos thing was pissing me off really
[10:25] <aru> raven3x7: #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:25] <grimster> i need a iso burner for windows though
[10:25] <tahorg> anyone can tell me what's the xorg's option to be able to switch to VT on breezy
[10:26] <grimster> this computer is windows
[10:26] <aru> grimster: cdburnerxp
[10:26] <fortysixand2> fireburner
[10:26] <tahorg> (I know I know I should'nt use breezy)
[10:26] <raven3x7> aru k
[10:26] <tahorg> I've tried DontVTSwitch "off"
[10:26] <tahorg> but it does'nt seem to be it
[10:26] <HappyFool> tahorg: someone said that getty (or something) was broken in breezy
[10:26] <aru> grimster: http://www.cdburnerxp.se/ <- freeware
[10:27] <gigaclon> alcohol 120 is nice windows burner/emulator but not free at all
[10:27] <phixion> use daemon tools in windows :)
[10:27] <tahorg> HappyFool: no, it's just fine for me. I just want to be able to switch from X to console
[10:27] <hmrocha> hello
[10:27] <fortysixand2> alcohol 120 rocks
[10:27] <tahorg> HappyFool: ctrl-alt-fx and all
[10:27] <HappyFool> tahorg: ok, i give up then ;). i was just relaying rumours.
[10:27] <hybrid_caffeine> fortysixand2: is there a linux alcohol
[10:27] <benwc> grimster msg me your email and I'll send you a shell iso burner
[10:28] <tahorg> HappyFool: thanks
[10:28] <fortysixand2> hybrid_caffine:  not to my knowledge :(
[10:28] <aru> or just get the free one I posted
[10:28] <hybrid_caffeine> :'(
[10:29] <SynapseR> is there a way to load unbuntu-live to ram so that you can use the drive ?
[10:29] <grimster> aru
[10:29] <hou5ton> I thought Ubuntu would be a little more current on app versions?
[10:29] <aru> grimster: yes?
[10:29] <nemik> i'm having some problems with ubuntu losing permissions after a while with a daemon running every 10 seconds. after 18 hours or so, it says it cannot access a folder that i set to chmod 777. what is wrong?
[10:29] <grimster> are you any good with installing sata drivers?
[10:29] <aru> grimster: nope
[10:29] <grimster> is anyone? :\
[10:30] <benwc> I have done it a few times. What do you need to know
[10:30] <thenuke> SynapseR: I guess you have to install another drive :)
[10:31] <benwc> All sata drives come with a floppy to install them
[10:31] <SynapseR> can't on my laptop :(
[10:31] <thenuke> SynapseR: but you could atleast try unmounting the drive
[10:31] <elmagozizou> Hi..I need to configurate my nvidia card...is a MX 4000..but tuxracer doesnt see well and neither my opengl sceensavers..I already install the module and enabled it...and i install al nvidia packages posible...any help?
[10:31] <elmagozizou> the only thing is fine is 3ddesktop
[10:31] <grimster> aru
[10:31] <aru> yes!?
[10:31] <grimster> the program you said set the disc to non bootable
[10:31] <aru> heh, thjat sucks
[10:32] <grimster> lol
[10:32] <aru> maybe that was why I quit using it... I can't remember
[10:32] <aru> its break time...
[10:33] <benwc> anyone have expeirence with setting up multiple IPs on one eth ?
[10:34] <fortysixand2> why would you want/need multiple IPs on one device?
[10:34] <fortysixand2> just curious
[10:34] <HappyFool> elmagozizou: what does 'glxinfo|grep direct' say? It should say this :   "direct rendering: Yes"
[10:34] <hou5ton> raven3x7:  it doesn not appear the Debian has the newest version available either
[10:34] <grimster> oi aru, i got it set to bootable :)
[10:34] <_erazor_> I am about to download ubuntu, can I install it on a Raid 0 stribeset on VIA VT8237 Southbridge SATA-Raid? Other linux distributions always detect the RAID0 as 2 independent discs so I can not install them without destroying the RAID.
[10:35] <zone17> Hi, I am trying to install some software via source, when I run the configure script I get the error "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1.0) (headers and libraries) not found.", what is the packagename I need to install to get this working?
[10:35] <benwc> fortysixand2 I have more than one IP from my ISP and I want to setup multiple SSL's on my server
[10:35] <gic> hia
[10:36] <gic> :)
[10:36] <fortysixand2> hmmmm
[10:36] <raven3x7> hou5ton looks like alien is your only option if you absulutely need 1.4 and dont want to compile...
[10:36] <HappyFool> zone17: i think it's libqt3-mt-dev
[10:36] <gic> what do i do to get shoutcast streams (mp3) on the ubuntu liveCD?
[10:36] <HappyFool> zone17: also, check that the app you're compiling isn't already available in the ubuntu repositories; you can check here: packages.ubuntu.com
[10:37] <zone17> HappyFool, it isn't its from a friend..
[10:37] <zone17> HappyFool, trying to apt get, I get "Package libqt3-mt-dev is not available"
[10:37] <elmagozizou> HappyFool, say yes
[10:37] <fortysixand2> benwc:  I do not know how, but this might help:  http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Alias/
[10:37] <zone17> I am using the repos from ubuntu guide
[10:37] <HappyFool> zone17: ubuntuguide is not really recommended
[10:38] <fortysixand2> HappyFool:  why not?
[10:38] <HappyFool> zone17: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list up on a pastebin? e.g. http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:38] <dabaR> zone17: what softwarte? Out of curiosity, I had the same error once
[10:38] <HappyFool> fortysixand2: the reasons may be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[10:38] <dabaR> zone17: the reason their sources.list is not good, is that it kind of suggests to have backports open at all times.
[10:39] <DekaPink> Ooooh... Hey... I've seen sites that have tutorials and stuff for puting linux on an xbox... I don't suppose that would work with Ubuntu? :3
[10:39] <raven3x7> zone17, you probably need libqt-dev
[10:39] <grimster> uhh
[10:39] <fortysixand2> " However, feel free to reccomend ubuntuguide to those who just want a quick fix"
[10:39] <grimster> i get an error "EMM386: Warning: Address line A20 is already enabled"
[10:40] <zone17> I think it's libqt3-dev, but then I get broken dependencies, hmm
[10:40] <fortysixand2> and it said nothing about the repos from ubuntu guide.
[10:40] <raven3x7> zone17? it doesnt install?
[10:40] <zone17> dabaR, what is the problem with backport?
[10:40] <zone17> raven3x7, no
[10:41] <grimster> what does the error "EMM386: Warning: Address line A20 is already enabled" mean?
[10:41] <nikkia> grimster: it means you're using the wrong OS :P
[10:41] <raven3x7> zone17, libqt-dev i mean
[10:41] <dabaR> zone17: well, no problem, a feature:)
[10:41] <grimster> uh
[10:41] <grimster> nikkia: how do i fix that lol
[10:41] <HappyFool> zone17: i suspect libqt3-mt-dev is correct
[10:42] <zone17> raven3x7, nothing called just libqt-dev, only libqt3-dev
[10:42] <zone17> yes
[10:42] <HappyFool> zone17: i can help you install it if i can see your sources.list
[10:42] <zone17> HappyFool, I am on it :-) one moment
[10:43] <zone17> HappyFool, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/731
[10:43] <phixion> anyone know why im having probs dloading in firefox? e.g. i click on a link containing a .tar.gz and it does nothing
[10:43] <raven3x7> zone17 bacports may be creating that problem
[10:43] <dabaR> zone17: the feature is that backports contain newer packages. Some of these packages can cause breakage of some sort...If you leave backports opened, if you update, you get all the new versions, even if you dont need them. Backports should only be uncommented while getting a specific package from them.
[10:43] <aru> grimster: awesome! :)
[10:43] <zone17> davaR, ok thanks! I didn't know
[10:44] <yahalom> i just setup my router so i no longer need pppoeconf to dial my connection, how do i turn it off?
[10:44] <HappyFool> zone17: hmm. you have more than one universe entry
[10:44] <aarcane> hey, the settings I set in kcmsell kdm aren't showing up in kdm after I log out or even restart KDM..  what gives ?
[10:44] <HappyFool> zone17: and the same for multiverse
[10:44] <dabaR> zone17: sure
[10:44] <raven3x7> HappyFool, really didnt know that?
[10:44] <gic> Hi again, could someone please help me to get mp3 decoding up and running please?
[10:45] <aru> !mp3
[10:45] <ubotu> aru: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:45] <aru> arse
[10:45] <HappyFool> raven3x7: you can check out the pastebin url to see what i'm talking about
[10:45] <aru> what is it, restricted?
[10:45] <aru> !restricted
[10:45] <anachronism> HappyFool, i think "poff" is the command to turn it off
[10:45] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:45] <aru> gic: try that link
[10:45] <dabaR> for dsl, poff dsl-provider
[10:45] <zone17> HappyFool, but they are not the same, are they wrong?
[10:45] <gic> aru, thank u
[10:45] <aru> no problem
[10:46] <aru> someone should set !mp3 to do the same as !restricted, I do !mp3 first every time
[10:47] <raven3x7> HappyFool, i was actuallly asking about multiverse. wasnt really clear about that though
[10:47] <HappyFool> zone17: try this
[10:47] <Seveas> ubuntu mp3 is read http://wiki.ubutnu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[10:47] <BobaFett> Hey guys... im a bit lost with the gnome panel... how can I add folders with launchers into the 'applications' part of my gnome menu?
[10:47] <Seveas> ubotu mp3 is read http://wiki.ubutnu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[10:47] <ubotu> okay, Seveas
[10:47] <HappyFool> zone17: sorry, try this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/732
[10:47] <Seveas> ubotu divx is read http://wiki.ubutnu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about divx support
[10:47] <ubotu> okay, Seveas
[10:47] <aru> !mp3
[10:47] <ubotu> hmm... mp3 is read http://wiki.ubutnu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[10:48] <aru> awesome
[10:48] <Seveas> ubotu quicktime is read http://wiki.ubutnu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about quicktime support
[10:48] <ubotu> Seveas: okay
[10:48] <HappyFool> zone17: i've left backports uncommented, but you may want to comment them out for day-to-day use
[10:48] <zone17> HappyFool, thanks - I'll try that!
[10:48] <Seveas> ubotu dvd is read http://wiki.ubutnu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about dvd support
[10:48] <user12> how to switch between lang ?
[10:48] <ubotu> ...but dvd is already something else...
[10:48] <dabaR> aru, could you?
[10:48] <HappyFool> zone17: remember to run 'sudo aptitude update' after changing sources.list
[10:48] <aru> dabaR: what?
[10:48] <DekaPink> Huh... You -can- put ubuntu on an xbox...
[10:48] <zone17> yes
[10:49] <hmrocha> what package do i need to listen to AAC audio files in totem ?
[10:49] <grimster> what mobo would you guys recommend for a amd64 3700+ socket 754?
[10:49] <aru> !dvd
[10:49] <ubotu> dvd is, like, There are many good free players for linux. Totem is installed in Ubuntu by default add totem-xine and voila! - Mplayer, XINE, VLC (Cross platform) are also very good. gstreamer-totem
[10:49] <Seveas> hmrocha, read the page i've been feeding ubotu :)
[10:49] <DekaPink> http://www.ubuntu-es.org/node/1833 Too bad I can't understand it. xD
[10:49] <HappyFool> raven3x7: multiverse is distinct from universe; multiverse is 'non-free' software, for various values of non-free
[10:49] <grimster> anyone?
[10:49] <anne> i am having trouble whith mozilla firefox, to be able to use the bank services and other things, i need to get firefox to allow pop ups, how do i fix that
[10:49] <aru> Seveas: guess we need !aac also :)
[10:49] <Seveas> ubotu aac is read http://wiki.ubutnu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about aac support
[10:49] <ubotu> Seveas: okay
[10:50] <Seveas> aru, feel free to add things yourself too
[10:50] <user12> ;) what is the key i can switch between langs   ? like alt + shift ?
[10:50] <raven3x7> HappyFool, but how could it break dependencies?
[10:50] <grimster> aru
[10:50] <aru> Seveas: I wasn't sure how it worked
[10:50] <aru> grimster: yes?
[10:50] <grimster> what mobo would you recommend for a amd64 3700+ socket 754?
[10:50] <HappyFool> raven3x7: zone17 had two universe entries, and two multiverse entries
[10:50] <grimster> i think im just going to return this one
[10:50] <aru> grimster: I have no experience with 64bit anything, so I'm not the right person to ask :)
[10:51] <HappyFool> raven3x7: that may not have caused problems, but if the mirrors got out of sync.. well, i don't know what would happen
[10:51] <grimster> know anyone who is?
[10:51] <Seveas> aru, it's simple: ubotu foo is bar bazz quux would add !foo to point to bar baz quux
[10:51] <zone17> HappyFool, I get this result with your source.list http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/733
[10:51] <raven3x7> HappyFool, ok i get it now sorry
[10:51] <aru> Seveas: I'm just afraid my entries would end up looking like your example :)
[10:51] <BobaFett> Hey guys... im a bit lost with the gnome panel... how can I add folders with launchers into the 'applications' part of my gnome menu?
[10:51] <HappyFool> zone17: hmm. comment out backports
[10:51] <zone17> have already done that
[10:52] <SynapseR> BobaFett : sudo apt-get install smeg
[10:52] <fran> 7join #ubuntu-es
[10:52] <HappyFool> zone17: erk
[10:52] <zone17> yes erk lol
[10:52] <dabaR> BobaFett: there is a program called smeg
[10:52] <anne> i need to allow pop up commercial on the web, how can i do that
[10:52] <HappyFool> zone17: let me see what happens if i install it here
[10:52] <zone17> HappyFool, really? Thanks!
[10:52] <dabaR> Check out smeg.realista.org or something like that, or just type in smeg menu editor for gnome in google
[10:53] <HappyFool> zone17: i get no conflicts here
[10:53] <HappyFool> zone17: i'm not actually installing, just running the command
[10:53] <Kyral> Gah, when the hell is Thunderbird 1.0.6 gonna enter Breezy?
[10:53] <graabein> stone roses s/t + red wine. cheers people!
[10:53] <zone17> HappyFool, what then could be causing my error?
[10:53] <dabaR> anne: what browser are you using?
[10:53] <SynapseR> anyone know how to enable bluetooth with rfcomm ?
[10:53] <zone17> And how do I fix it
[10:53] <BobaFett> SynapseR: smeg doesn't let me add folders right into the menu, I have to build the separate launchers... I have Crossover's launchers inside a folder in the .gnome2 folder in Home, but I can't get them to show in my menu :(
[10:53] <HappyFool> zone17: maybe you have a package installed which is conflicting
[10:53] <anne> firefox
[10:53] <recover> I tried to add a chrome file for mozilla-firefox that didn't exists, still, firefox doesn't react to the file, the case is correct, does this have anything to do with ubuntu/apt-get system?
[10:54] <dabaR> anne I think the web features tab in Edit>Preferences/properties does that.
[10:54] <dabaR> Or one of those tabs.
[10:54] <SynapseR> did you try 'killall gnome-panel'
[10:54] <zone17> HappyFool, how do I find out which program that is?
[10:54] <HappyFool> zone17: what does 'dpkg -s libqt3c102-mt|grep Version' say ?
[10:54] <dabaR> zone17: what program was it again that you are installing?
[10:54] <HappyFool> zone17: lets try the packages listed in that error message
[10:54] <Amaranth> BobaFett: file a bug in crossover's bugzilla or whatever
[10:54] <Amaranth> BobaFett: all paying customers should have access to it
[10:55] <zone17> HappyFool, Version: 3:3.3.4-3
[10:55] <HappyFool> zone17: ah
[10:55] <anne> just removing the block doesnt help
[10:55] <HappyFool> zone17: i have Version: 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3
[10:55] <zone17> hmm, ok
[10:55] <BobaFett> Amaranth: But if it doesnt show up on the menu, it should be a gnome issue, right? my crossover works just fine...
[10:55] <HappyFool> zone17: i would guess you've installed a backports qt/kde app?
[10:56] <Amaranth> BobaFett: no, it's a crossover issue
[10:56] <Amaranth> BobaFett: They aren't setting something up right
[10:56] <supernix> anyone know what is best to rip a cd ?
[10:56] <HappyFool> zone17: if not, you can try to force an install of the ubuntu version
[10:56] <dabaR> anne what site?
[10:56] <zone17> HappyFool, proberly.. and trying to apt-get remove the packages.. ofcourse then 500 others needs to be removed :-)
[10:56] <Amaranth> trust me, i know more about the menuing system than anyone really wants to :)
[10:56] <Seveas> Amaranth, lol :)
[10:57] <HappyFool> zone17: well, you can try to run this command: 'sudo aptitude install libqt3c102-mt=3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3' and see what conflicts are raised
[10:57] <anne> web editor, http editor, to enter the bank to pay bills and so
[10:57] <BobaFett> Okay...will pay a visit to crossover's bugzilla then :)
[10:57] <BobaFett> thanks guys! :)
[10:58] <zone17> HappyFoo, I have no problem running that command and installing
[10:58] <hmrocha> Seveas, what page? (sorry, i wasn't here)
[10:58] <HappyFool> zone17: hmm
[10:58] <HappyFool> zone17: ok, now try installing libqt3-mt-dev
[10:59] <HappyFool> zone17: maybe it was upgraded from backports just because there was a newer version available
[10:59] <Seveas> !aac
[10:59] <ubotu> it has been said that aac is read http://wiki.ubutnu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about aac support
[10:59] <HappyFool> zone17: in which case, warnings about not using backports would appear to be justified ;)
[10:59] <zone17> HappyFool, than I get http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/734
[10:59] <nonedead> hey
[10:59] <dabaR> what is the URL anne?
[10:59] <zone17> Yes indeed!
[10:59] <benwc> does any one know a where I can find a precompiled kernel with ip_alias built in?
[10:59] <catolh> Argh, X lag's when i copy stuff from my DVD-rom.. Any way to make it stop?
[11:00] <HappyFool> zone17: hmm. ok, stand by...
[11:00] <nonedead> how do i fix wine
[11:00] <nonedead> i want to play a game
[11:00] <misfit_toy> nonedead, that's a pretty vague question
[11:00] <nonedead> what do i do
[11:00] <anne> dabaR i am quite new at using ubuntu, so you have to explaine like youre telling a kid how to do things. url is http://tylldalen.net
[11:00] <hmrocha> Seveas, thanks, i'll read that
[11:00] <HappyFool> zone17: what does 'sudo aptitude install libxft-dev' say?
[11:00] <dabaR> Ya, sorry, anne.
[11:01] <dabaR> one sece
[11:01] <b00> hey,  this ubuntu box im using, doesnt have a gcc  (i.e, no link to actual gcc-3.4)
[11:01] <b00> is that a broken install or what ?
[11:01] <zone17> HappyFool, looks like a lot of mess "libxft-dev: Depends: libfontconfig1-dev but it is not installable"
[11:01] <hmrocha> Seveas, the link is not correct
[11:01] <hmrocha> Seveas, s/ubutnu/ubuntu
[11:01] <mpmc> Where can I get more looks for Gnome?
[11:01] <nonedead> what do i do when i want to install a windows game
[11:01] <searcher`> b00: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:02] <raven3x7> b00, its not installed by default. use apt-get install build-essential
[11:02] <HappyFool> zone17: maybe we need to rollback all of these to the hoary versions
[11:02] <ompaul> what way can you determine which packages come from a particular repository?
[11:02] <fran> 7join #ubuntu-es
[11:02] <AntonGL> I need help to format my memory stick, mkdosfs says I am trying to create a too large file system...
[11:02] <zone17> HappyFool, how is that done?
[11:02] <raven3x7> searcher`, you beat me to it
[11:02] <ompaul> I'll rephrase that what way can you determine which installed packages come from a particular repository?
[11:02] <emX> hey all; trying to get my brother's warty->hoary upgrade polished off...still can't get sound to work.
[11:02] <gic> man, ubuntu liveCD is pure porn! =)
[11:02] <zone17> HappyFool, you don't need to explain, perhaps just a link..
[11:02] <Seveas> hmrocha, argh indeed
[11:02] <b00> searcher`, raven3x7 ok
[11:02] <mpmc> Where can I get a new look for gonme?
[11:02] <Seveas> ubotu aac is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about aac support
[11:02] <ubotu> ...but aac is already something else...
[11:02] <HappyFool> zone17: for each package, do this: 'apt-cache show <package-name>|grep ^Version'
[11:02] <Seveas> !forget aac
[11:02] <ubotu> Seveas: i forgot aac
[11:02] <Seveas> !forget mp3
[11:02] <ubotu> i forgot mp3, Seveas
[11:02] <Seveas> !forget quicktime
[11:02] <ubotu> i forgot quicktime, Seveas
[11:03] <Seveas> ubotu aac is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about aac support
[11:03] <dabaR> http://tylldalen.net does the front page right away open a pop up?
[11:03] <HappyFool> zone17: e.g., for libxft-dev, you'll see this:            Version: 2.1.2-6ubuntu1
[11:03] <dabaR> Seveas: why not msg the bot?
[11:03] <Seveas> ubotu aac is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about aac support
[11:03] <ubotu> okay, Seveas
[11:03] <Seveas> dabaR, good point
[11:03] <b00> whats inside build-essential ?
[11:03] <HappyFool> zone17: so the version you want is 2.1.2-6ubuntu1
[11:03] <b00> links ?
[11:03] <b00> compiler, linker, make , all seems to be here
[11:04] <mpmc> Anyone?
[11:04] <HappyFool> zone17: to install that version, do this: 'sudo aptitude install <package>=<version>'
[11:04] <Seveas> mpmc, art.gnome.org / gnome-looko.org
[11:04] <mpmc> where can I get new looks for gnome?
[11:04] <raven3x7> b00, all the basic stuff for compiling
[11:04] <nonedead> anyone help
[11:04] <mpmc> ok
[11:04] <Seveas> gnome-look.org that is
[11:04] <mpmc> lol
[11:04] <HappyFool> zone17: e.g., 'sudo aptitude install libxft-dev=2.1.2-6ubuntu1'
[11:04] <La_PaRCa> hey
[11:04] <HappyFool> zone17: hmm
[11:04] <mpmc> http://art.gnome.org
[11:04] <HappyFool> zone17: as long as apt-cache doesn't also show installed versions
[11:05] <zone17> HappyFool, ok I think I got it, thanks a lot!
[11:05] <anne> no, when i enter the editor, i am editing and running that wrb site, and has done that in windows for a long time, but after using ubuntu i cant edit my site because its blocked when i enter my password
[11:05] <HappyFool> Seveas: i don't suppose you know how apt-cache works if there's an installed package no longer available via apt? will it show the apt-gettable version, or the installed version?
[11:05] <nonedead> misfit
[11:05] <dabaR> [16:04] CWC-DanB[66298] 6503666763
[11:05] <dabaR> Celia Needed username and password for the account. Verified security, reset password with permission. Educated on secret question and changing password. Confirmed able to log in.
[11:06] <antonymous> Okay, who wants to play a fun game called help out the n00b?
[11:06] <HappyFool> zone17: all the versions should have the word 'ubuntu' in them
[11:06] <searcher`> HappyFool: apt-cache shows you the cached version of the repositories you are using
[11:06] <ompaul> b00 lots of good stuff apt-cache depends build-essential
[11:06] <Seveas> HappyFool, apt-cache shows all installed and available versions, so in the case you mention it will show the installed version only
[11:06] <dabaR> anne: weird. Tried using another browser to see?
[11:06] <La_PaRCa> AntonGL, It depends... how useful/clueful is this n00b subject?
[11:06] <HappyFool> Seveas: bother
[11:06] <zone17> HappyFool, yes
[11:06] <antonymous> I just installed hoary on a B&W G3, and for some reason I can't figure out how to mount the second hard drive
[11:06] <HappyFool> zone17: ok, scrap that idea
[11:06] <epiloc> heh, aimsniff is fun
[11:06] <La_PaRCa> antonymous,  It depends... how useful/clueful is this n00b subject?
[11:07] <searcher`> Seveas: apt-cache shows installed packages as well?
[11:07] <nonedead> misfit_toy: can u help me get wine to work
[11:07] <dabaR> sudo aptitude install epiphany-browser will install another browser similar to ff, to try.
[11:07] <HappyFool> zone17: ok, you can find the version numbers via packages.ubuntu.com
[11:07] <anne> when i try to enter my web site, i get blocked and can not get in, what about netscape, maybe thats a possibility
[11:07] <misfit_toy> nonedead, I don't use wine, sorry
[11:07] <hmrocha> Seveas, it's working, thanks :)
[11:07] <zone17> HappyFool, no problem
[11:07] <Seveas> searcher`, apt-cache policy does
[11:07] <misfit_toy> nonedead, have you tried asking in #wine?
[11:07] <nonedead> then what do u use for win emulation
[11:07] <antonymous> well, for some reason I can run ubuntu fine on my PC, but I can't remember what I did to set up my 2nd HD on that
[11:07] <HappyFool> zone17: there's another possibility which i haven't tried -- you can maybe get apt-get to downgrade using pinning
[11:07] <Seveas> searcher`, HappyFool apt-cache search will not
[11:08] <misfit_toy> nonedead, crossover office, but rarely
[11:08] <Seveas> apt-cache show will (afaik)
[11:08] <HappyFool> Seveas: apt-cache show is probably similar to apt-cache policy ?
[11:08] <epiloc> http://www.aimsniff.com/
[11:08] <Seveas> HappyFool, apt-cache show shows all package info, policy shows the version available and which one it wil install / has installed
[11:08] <ompaul> antonymous fdisk -l /dev/hdb might be a good place to start
[11:08] <AntonGL> Can someone show me how to format my usb stick?
[11:08] <benwc> has anyone ever installed ip_alias.o  if so can you point me in the right direction?
[11:09] <zone17> HappyFool, yes I am reading about that actually now, I'll try that. Thanks again!
[11:09] <Seveas> AntonGL, mkfs.vfat /dev/sda (oslt)
[11:09] <HappyFool> zone17: ok, good luck
[11:09] <antonymous> whoa, there's a second anton...I'll give that a shot paul, thanks
[11:09] <ompaul> HappyFool, to get the high up or low down apt-cache --help :)
[11:09] <zone17> Thanks! :-)
[11:09] <HappyFool> ompaul: yeah, i'm looking at the man page, but niggly details like this aren't too clear
[11:10] <AntonGL> Seveas it says i am trying to make too large a file system...
[11:10] <AntonGL> the stick is only 128 mb
[11:10] <hmrocha> Seveas, i'll switch all computers in my department from mandrake to ubuntu :)
[11:10] <Seveas> AntonGL, then browse through the manpage for mkfs.vfat :)
[11:10] <Seveas> hmrocha, rock on! :)
[11:10] <hmrocha> Seveas, i think the students will like it
[11:11] <hmrocha> Seveas, i've been distributing ubuntu cd's to the students
[11:11] <antonymous> hmmm...fdisk gives me an I/O error on hdb
[11:11] <ivan> holas
[11:11] <dabaR> olah.
[11:11] <dabaR> !es
[11:11] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:12] <hmrocha> !pt
[11:12] <ubotu> hmm... pt is http://pt.ubuntuguide.org/   Obrigado Autor: Chua Wen Kiat Co-Autor: Marco Da Silva Helper PT: Tiago Geada
[11:12] <ompaul> antonymous and what is that error
[11:12] <dabaR> nice. ubuntuguide link:)
[11:12] <HappyFool> heh
[11:13] <HappyFool> i thought we were casting aspersions on ubuntuguide, and there ubotu is recommending it! ;)
[11:13] <antonymous> ompaul: I think my 2nd HD is on hdd, so I tried "sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdd" and it listed the correct HD
[11:13] <tritium> HappyFool, yes, ubuntuguide should not be recommended, in general
[11:13] <antonymous> /dev/hdd3 is the Apple_UNIX_SVR2 untitled (the biggest one)
[11:14] <sorush20> hi guys.. its me again...
[11:14] <tritium> I know, HappyFool
[11:14] <ompaul> antonymous, so now you should see what way you had it laid out
[11:14] <dabaR> hey sorush20 .
[11:14] <antonymous> ompaul, yes I can see how it's laid out, but I still don't really know how to mount it
[11:14] <sorush20> I'm very close to a breakthough.... after a whole day....
[11:15] <sorush20> I'm using a network card that isn
[11:15] <antonymous> ompaul: do I need to edit fstab?
[11:16] <ompaul> antonymous,  okay so the thing is how do you want to mount it if you mkdir /foo then you can mount /dev/hdd1 /foo now this information can be put in /etc/fstab
[11:17] <ompaul> antonymous, entries like --> /dev/hda9       /srv            ext3    defaults        0       2  would help
[11:17] <user12> where is Control Center
[11:17] <user12> ?
[11:17] <ompaul> user12, gnome-control-center ?
[11:17] <Seveas> user12, all applications in gnome-control-center can be started from the system menu
[11:17] <antonymous> ompaul: sorry if I wasn't giving enough info
[11:18] <antonymous> here's what I haphazardly threw into my fstab a few minutes before joining the chat:
[11:18] <antonymous> /dev/hdd	/		ext3	defaults	0	0
[11:18] <aru> Antinomy: great fstab page http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
[11:18] <ompaul> antonymous you want to mount it as / that is not good as / belongs to your working system
[11:19] <ompaul> antonymous, care for a pm?
[11:19] <user12> could not found gnome control panel .. !
[11:19] <antonymous> ah, I shouldn't mount as /?
[11:19] <Seveas> user12, gnome-control-center
[11:19] <ompaul> antonymous, mind if I pm you?
[11:20] <antonymous> sure, I'm even MORE of a n00b at IRC though, don't know much about pm
[11:20] <antonymous> yes, please do
[11:20] <ompaul> ohh sugar
[11:20] <user12> i try  but i try system preference and could not found it
[11:20] <aru> antonymous: that link was for you
[11:21] <user12> where is gnome-control-panel
[11:21] <antonymous> oops, forgot to say thanks...I was too busy reading it...thank you!
[11:21] <aru> antonymous: my nick completion gave someone elses nick :)
[11:22] <sorush20> anyone here using ndiswrapper
[11:22] <SynapseR> what dialup program is there in ubuntu ?
[11:23] <HappyFool> SynapseR: the network adminstration tool should let you setup dial-up
[11:23] <aru> !fstab
[11:23] <ubotu> aru: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[11:23] <HappyFool> SynapseR: System -> Admin -> Networking
[11:24] <HappyFool> SynapseR: if you care, i think the guts are driven by pppd/wvdial; you can also setup a dial-up config on the command line with pppconfig
[11:24] <SynapseR> modem (ppp0) is not configured
[11:24] <SynapseR> when I rightclick configure,
[11:24] <SynapseR> OK is greyed out no matter what i enter
[11:24] <nonedead> how do i run .sh files
[11:25] <SynapseR> also /dev/rfcomm0 is not listed under modem ports
[11:25] <AMCDeathKnight> hi
[11:25] <DekaPink> Pah... Damn my apparently not supported video card... Or something. :3
[11:25] <HappyFool> SynapseR: click on the modem, then click on properties. hmm -- are you running ubuntu 4.10 or 5.04?
[11:25] <nonedead> ow do i run the .sh files
[11:25] <SynapseR> my cellphone is paired to the notebook
[11:25] <SynapseR> 5.04
[11:25] <SynapseR> via bluetooth
[11:26] <nonedead> can some one help me
[11:26] <HappyFool> SynapseR: hmm. sorry, i don't know much about getting that side of bluetooth working
[11:26] <DekaPink> I'm guessing that when I do fglrxinfo, it should tell me like... ATI... instead of what it does... which is mesa3d. :3
[11:26] <HappyFool> nonedead: try 'chmod a+x <thefilewhichendsin.sh>' and then './<thefilewhichendsin.sh>'
[11:26] <nonedead> hey can some one help me
[11:27] <nonedead> what
[11:27] <SynapseR> Happy, but even if i choose my normal modem , th OK button is still greyed out
[11:27] <nonedead> what does that mean
[11:27] <HappyFool> DekaPink: 'glxinfo|grep direct' says this on my machine:           direct rendering: Yes
[11:27] <nonedead> im new to linux
[11:28] <HappyFool> SynapseR: where is this?
[11:28] <nonedead> happy fool: im new to linux
[11:28] <HappyFool> nonedead: right click on the file and choose 'Properties'
[11:29] <HappyFool> nonedead: then click on the 'Permissions' tab
[11:29] <SynapseR> under network settings -> modem connection (right click -> configure)
[11:29] <nonedead> ok
[11:29] <nonedead> ok
[11:29] <HappyFool> nonedead: opposite 'Owner', tick the 'Execute' box, then click 'Close'  (execute must be ticked)
[11:29] <HappyFool> nonedead: then double click the file
[11:29] <DekaPink> HappyFool: It's telling me no.
[11:30] <phixion> happyfool, can you help me? I am having problems saving links on websites e.g. if theres a link to a .mp3 and i click it, firefox does nothing - is it part of the firefox probs or something else?
[11:30] <nonedead> how do i get into the root
[11:30] <HappyFool> SynapseR: ok, i have right-click -> Properties, but much the same thing, i guess
[11:30] <HappyFool> phixion: might be, i don't know
[11:31] <HappyFool> DekaPink: ok, sorry, i was being silly: that just confirms your drivers aren't accelerating, as you thought
[11:31] <HappyFool> DekaPink: an alternative test, i suppose
[11:31] <nonedead> happy: im not owner
[11:31] <phixion> ok cheers, do you happen to know of a newsgroup downloader app with nzb support?
[11:31] <DekaPink> HappyFool: Well... Thanks, I guess. :D
[11:31] <HappyFool> phixion: i don't know what that is, sorry ;)
[11:31] <HappyFool> phixion: try 'apt-cache search nzb'
[11:32] <phixion> ok thx again :)
[11:32] <HappyFool> SynapseR: i think you might need to enter the required info for the OK button to be ungreyed
[11:33] <phixion> well, basically .nzb files give you all the files you need to dload on the newsgroups for a certain release, so u dont have to keep refreshing the entire group :)
[11:33] <Doonz> Err http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports Release.gpg
[11:33] <Doonz>   Could not connect to ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net:80 (66.90.101.204), connection timed out
[11:33] <HappyFool> SynapseR: i'm guessing you're using GPRS or something ?
[11:33] <Doonz> thats what im getting when i try updating more repositories
[11:33] <DekaPink> And I'm trying to ./ a file and it's saying the command isn't found... I know there's something I can do abotu this... just can't remember exactly what... :3
[11:33] <abbe80> how can I list all files in a dir that starts with "b" ?
[11:33] <HappyFool> DekaPink: chmod a+x <thefile>
[11:34] <recover> Which java package do I need for azureus to work?
[11:34] <HappyFool> abbe80: 'ls b*'
[11:34] <DekaPink> HappyFool: Thank you... :-D Sorry I'm so slow. Hehe.
[11:34] <everett_> Quick question for anyone who has built kernel-headers with kernel-package, I installd the .deb created by running make-kpkg kernel headers, and cd into /usr/src/kernel-headers.2.4.10/ but when I run make I get mv: cannot stat `include/asm-i386/asm_offsets.h.tmp': No such file or directory make: *** [include/asm-i386/asm_offsets.h]  Error 1
[11:34] <abbe80> :-)
[11:35] <HappyFool> Doonz: that backports mirror is probably down; you can maybe use another mirror. I think they're listed at the backports site
[11:35] <SynapseR> yep GPRS
[11:36] <Doonz> backport site?
[11:36] <SynapseR> thats what i'm trying to get working
[11:36] <Doonz> got an addy?
[11:36] <DaSkreech> Allr ight Let do this
[11:36] <DaSkreech> Leeeerroooooyyyyy
[11:36] <HappyFool> !backports
[11:36] <ubotu> hmm... backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[11:36] <DaSkreech> Jenkins!!!!
[11:37] <HappyFool> SynapseR: i may be wrong, but i think GPRS won't look like a normal modem
[11:38] <anachronism> DaSkreech, it's off-topic, but i saw that movie-file too
[11:38] <HappyFool> SynapseR: hmm. nothing on gprs on the wiki, it appears
[11:39] <anachronism> DaSkreech,  forgot to add "lol" to my message
[11:39] <wezzer-> good evening
[11:39] <wezzer-> can I share public folders (authentication=no) and home folders (authentication=yes) in same time using samba?
[11:40] <HappyFool> SynapseR: googling for 'ubuntu gprs' yields some hits, like this one: http://wildbill.nulldevice.net/archives/000104.html
[11:40] <anachronism> DaSkreech, "at least i have chicken"
[11:40] <DaSkreech> My hero
[11:40] <DaSkreech> NO Words!
[11:40] <HappyFool> wezzer-: you should be able to
[11:40] <DaSkreech> It detracts from the now Dahling
[11:40] <wezzer-> HappyFool: what should I put into smb.conf line: security = user / share ?
[11:41] <anne> what do i do to install opera browser on my computer, step by step
[11:41] <tirzah> howdy; ? for anyone, I've been seeing some discussions regarding java, and unfortunately I need it; I've installed (per starterguide inst); but FireFox still insists its missing the JRE is there anothre step I'm needing?
[11:41] <HappyFool> wezzer-: security = user, i think
[11:41] <everett_> could someone tell me why /usr/src/Kernel-headers-2.6.10 is incomplete after doing make-kpkg kernel-headers ??
[11:41] <HappyFool> wezzer-: in the share definition, you put this for anonymous access:  guest ok = yes
[11:42] <wezzer-> HappyFool: ahum, that sounds cool
[11:42] <wezzer-> HappyFool: I'll try
[11:42] <HappyFool> wezzer-: read 'man smb.conf' for (much) more
[11:43] <Yuki> what is the command to get KDE on ubuntu?
[11:43] <hybrid_goth> Yuki: sudo apt-get install kde
[11:43] <Yuki> kk tyty
[11:43] <HappyFool> Yuki: easiest is to install the kubuntu-desktop package
[11:43] <hybrid_goth> or download kubuntu
[11:43] <tirzah> why is KDE considered better than GNOME?
[11:44] <hybrid_goth> tirzah: by who?
[11:44] <HappyFool> tirzah: why is coca-cola better than pepsi?
[11:44] <tirzah> good point
[11:44] <thenuke> tirzah: it is not?
[11:44] <anne> i have to install opera in my computer, anybody know ho to do that, since that program is not in the synaptic
[11:44] <Determinist> anne, using the deb package
[11:44] <tirzah> ?
[11:44] <HappyFool> !opera
[11:44] <ubotu> [opera]  a very powerful and speedy web browser with a superfluity of features while placing stress upon visual aesthetics. Opera isn't in the Ubuntu repositories, but you can always download the latest Opera .deb package from http://www.opera.com/download/
[11:44] <tirzah> :)
[11:44] <thenuke> tirzah: but of course it is if you ask the ones who like KDE more
[11:44] <anne>  i am new at this so i need step by step please
[11:44] <tirzah> ok
[11:45] <hybrid_goth> i saw opera in breezy
[11:45] <hybrid_goth> repos
[11:45] <hybrid_goth> under nonfree
[11:45] <hmrocha> Seveas, is X still broken in breezy?
[11:45] <tirzah> I'm using Opera right now...
[11:45] <HappyFool> anne: go to that URL (www.opera.com/download/)
[11:45] <Determinist> anne, ok , go to that address ubotu just posted , download the latest version's .deb package
[11:45] <HappyFool> anne: i presume there are further instructions there; if not, ask for more help
[11:46] <Determinist> i wish this last reinstall would work :/
[11:46] <Yuki> in synaptic, will installing kubuntu desktop be enough for KDE or do I need to mark ALL of them for installation?
[11:46] <hybrid_goth> ubuntu need to have it set so double clicking .debs would run dpkg -i on them
[11:46] <tirzah> Ok, does anyone know how to get java to work in Firefox?  I've got sun-jre (whatever ver) installed, restarted FF, but yet FF still says I'm missing JRE..
[11:46] <Determinist> i just backed up 60 gigs of data to a friend's drive and am reinstalling winxp and hoary for the dual boot hoping it'll work this time :/
[11:46] <HappyFool> Yuki: as hybrid_goth suggested, you can just install kde -- kubuntu-desktop probably gets other things too
[11:46] <hybrid_goth> Yuki: you would download kubuntu but if you already have ubuntu install kde
[11:46] <anne> i have done that and its successfully saved on my computer, but i dont know how to find it there and get it started
[11:47] <Yuki> kk
[11:47] <Yuki> so just the kubuntu desktop package then?
[11:47] <HappyFool> anne: ok; you need to start a terminal (Applications -> System tools -> Terminal)
[11:47] <hybrid_goth> Yuki: outta work
[11:47] <Yuki> what about kubuntu live and kubuntu default settings?
[11:47] <HappyFool> anne: do you know where the file you downloaded is?
[11:47] <hybrid_goth> dont worry of kubuntu live
[11:48] <stvn> ogra: you there?
[11:48] <Yuki> ok, what about default settings then?
[11:48] <anne> file management i think, in norwegian arkivhndtering
[11:48] <epiloc> does anyone here have experience with PCAP ?
[11:48] <hybrid_goth> Yuki: if you want them
[11:48] <funkyHat> is firefox from backports safe (i.e. = more likely to work than current hoary build! :|) to use?
[11:48] <HappyFool> anne: um. ok, let's hope we can find it
[11:48] <Yuki> what are they for?
[11:48] <hybrid_goth> epiloc: isnt that used in windows
[11:48] <funkyHat> and can i get back to the hoary build if i need to?
[11:48] <hybrid_goth> Yuki: defualt settings i.e. themes and such
[11:49] <anne> now i am in terminal
[11:49] <hybrid_goth> Yuki: if you are new grab them
[11:49] <HappyFool> anne: ok, does 'ls *.deb' list the opera file you downloaded ?
[11:49] <Yuki> kk
[11:49] <epiloc> hybrid_goth, no.
[11:49] <epiloc> hybrid_goth, you are thinking of winPcap i think
[11:49] <anne> i am so stupid about this, i dont understand what you mean
[11:50] <hybrid_goth> epiloc: ah b/c i remember something like that from my win days :)
[11:50] <george_> hi
[11:50] <epiloc> hybrid_goth, like all things, that was stolen from unix
[11:50] <anne> tell me what to write in the terminal
[11:50] <hybrid_goth> epiloc: ah go figure
[11:50] <george_> ubuntu rocks
[11:50] <epiloc> im trying to do a little packet sniffing on my network
[11:50] <HappyFool> anne: type this:                    ls *.deb
[11:50] <hybrid_goth> epiloc: win32Pcap i think
[11:50] <postmodern> does gnome-ppp come on the ubuntu install cds?
[11:50] <HappyFool> anne: then <enter>
[11:51] <everett_> Anyone here use make-kpkg kernel_headers before?
[11:51] <Yuki> which is better: kopete or GAIM?
[11:51] <hybrid_goth> epiloc: yes i know of it dont know it
[11:51] <george_> dont know
[11:51] <postmodern> yuacht, gaim for gnome imho
[11:51] <postmodern> er
[11:51] <postmodern> Yuki, gaim for gnome
[11:51] <Yuki> what about kde?  I won't be using gnome anymore
[11:51] <anne> command not found it says
[11:51] <obvious_ron> What do I need to do to get the main Firefox build (1.0.6) via Synaptic?
[11:52] <HappyFool> anne: the file you downloaded is called this, right? : opera-static_8.01-20050615.1-qt_en_i386.deb ?
[11:52] <funkyHat> Yuki, kopete
[11:52] <postmodern> Yuki, use kopete then
[11:52] <Yuki> kk ty
[11:52] <HappyFool> anne: hmm, that's odd
[11:52] <anne> yes
[11:52] <Kyral> obvious_ron, its out of Apt
[11:52] <Kyral> If you want it you need to build it from the Breezy Source
[11:52] <HappyFool> anne: 'ls *.deb' says command not found ?
[11:52] <Andrewcool> Hello
[11:52] <anne> yes , is there space between ls and * maybe
[11:53] <HappyFool> anne: that's an ell (lowercase L), not a one (1)
[11:53] <HappyFool> anne: yes, there is a space
[11:53] <Andrewcool> I just got my new Ubuntu cds..using the live cds for now :D
[11:53] <teferi> i fucking well should be after the past week
[11:53] <anne> i understand and wrot l for lover
[11:53] <george_> how do i get soundjuser to rip mp3s
[11:54] <HappyFool> anne: ok, sorry, just trying to guess the error
[11:54] <dracko> hey, im new linux user, how i can compile kernel to do new changes?
[11:54] <HappyFool> anne: did it list any files now?
[11:54] <HappyFool> new linux users do not usually need to compile kernels ;)
[11:54] <obvious_ron> Kyral: I'm a newbie, so building from source code is Greek to me.  ^_^
[11:55] <nubbe> obvious_ron, u have to add a Backports staging repository
[11:55] <dracko> lol
[11:55] <hybrid_goth> obvious_ron: it isnt hard
[11:55] <anne> i am just grateful for your help. is it root terminal or just terminal i must write commands in
[11:55] <HappyFool> anne: just terminal
[11:55] <LinuxJones> dracko, you should not compile your own kernel unless you absolutely have to.
[11:55] <ubuntu_> I have a question on the installation on Ubuntu
[11:55] <hybrid_goth> if in terminal you must sudo
[11:55] <hybrid_goth> root you dont
[11:55] <dracko> well, i wanna learn, is i dont learn how to compile kernel, well i think i back to window system
[11:56] <dracko> lol, my englis is very very bad
[11:56] <hybrid_goth> dracko: there is a pkg that guides you through it but i cant think of the name
[11:56] <anne> thats what i did, could you maybe take me step by step throug download again
[11:56] <HappyFool> anne: you have downloaded the file; we just need to find it
[11:57] <andrewcool2> Dracko: Can you help me with the installation of Ubuntu
[11:57] <HappyFool> anne: type this command, and tell me what the output it:   'find -name opera-static_8.01-20050615.1-qt_en_i386.deb'
[11:57] <demirg> hi, can anyone help me about nvidia-rivafb conflict???
[11:57] <dracko> i downloaded the most new linux kernel version, but i waanna change my actually version for the new one
[11:57] <HappyFool> anne: you can cut-and-paste from x-chat to the terminal
[11:58] <HappyFool> anne: select the text with the mouse, right-click and choose 'Copy'; then, in the terminal, right-click and choose 'paste'
[11:58] <crimsun> demirg: sure, what do you need to know?
[11:58] <HappyFool> oh bother, x-chat doesn't have right-click copy
[11:58] <hybrid_goth> highlight
[11:58] <hybrid_goth> it
[11:58] <HappyFool> anne: sorry; in x-chat, select the text with the mouse and press Ctrl-C to copy
[11:58] <hybrid_goth> hold ctrl and press c
[11:59] <hybrid_goth> HappyFool: ;-P
[11:59] <crimsun> dracko: 2.6.12.3 or 2.6.13-rc3[-git5] ?
[11:59] <andrewcool2> Can somebody help me with the expert mode of Ubuntu
[11:59] <HappyFool> hybrid_goth: annoying interface glitch in my opinion
[11:59] <hybrid_goth> andrewcool2: ask your question
[11:59] <hybrid_goth> HappyFool: i prefer irssi
[11:59] <demirg> crimsun: when i try to install nvidia driver it gives me warning saying that rivafb conflicts with nvidia, it may prevent nvidia from running correctly and it doesn't :)
[12:00] <nebular> cd #winehq