=== susus [~sz@p5089F159.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Chand [~chand@ABordeaux-151-1-10-9.w82-125.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [~aks@ottawa-hs-206-191-39-90.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DanielN`aw [~daniel@84-72-116-21.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anibal [ams@ns1.mssinc.biz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax7-093.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:10] \sh_away: I'm heading out for a while but if you come around, octave builds fine in a pbuilder if you rip out the gcc4 patch. === ajmitch returns === thoreauputic_ [~prospero@wolax7-225.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:36] ajmitch: have an idea how to reinstall conf files that I removed? [02:36] ajmitch: --force-confmiss is no help [02:36] --force-all even [02:39] that's what mdz suggested.. but it was a dpkg option iirc [02:39] let me look it up [02:40] that is dpkg [02:40] apt-get --reinstall -o dpkg::options::=--force-confmiss [02:40] with an install thrown in there [02:40] ok.. [02:40] i did dpkg -i --force-all [02:40] what package is it? [02:41] krb5-admin-server [02:41] just some conf files missing/ [02:41] ? [02:41] yes [02:41] well, it might actually be /var [02:41] otherwise I'd suggest purge & reinstall [02:41] done that too [02:41] damn [02:42] another resort is install in chroot, copy conffiles from there [02:42] but that's jst getting ugly [02:42] Starting Kerberos Administration Servers: kadmind: No such file or directory while initializing, aborting [02:43] open("/var/lib/krb5kdc/principal", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) [02:43] ah [02:43] i know how to create that I think [02:43] done [02:43] pre/postinst wasn't working properly? [02:44] well post tries to start the server [02:44] but no domain setup [02:44] on the first install it just opens a debconf window and tells you to make one [02:45] fixed in any case [02:45] strace++ [02:45] ah === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:15] ajmitch: rebuilding blam here fixed the symbol problem [03:15] ajmitch: i just uploaded a bump, we'll see what happens [03:17] rebuilding didn't fix it for me [03:17] because I consistently got the warning about S_ISSOCK === ajmitch will watch the build logs [03:18] well i loaded up blam no problem [03:18] after rebuild [03:18] before it just crashed [03:18] hm inotify broke [03:18] in new kernel [03:19] or similar [03:19] I didn't build in pbuilder, which could have influenced it [03:19] i didnt either [03:19] i was feeling lazy [03:19] we'll find out soon then [03:19] blam probably needs updated for MONO_SHARED_DIR anyway [03:20] i thought i did that [03:20] I didn't check :) [03:20] i did not [03:20] what a lazy git [03:23] i actually shouldve merged new debian version === j_fletcher [~james@nukeh.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:10] looks like we've done a bit of c++ transitioning where it wasn't needed, according to debian-devel [04:10] libs implemented in C++ that export a C ABI === seth_k [~seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:23] Hey ajmitch did you send up that patch? [04:29] bddebian: sorry, which patch? [04:31] ajmitch: The class issue you helped me with the other night [04:31] ah, I thought you were working on that :) [04:31] since it was just a dpatch-edit-patch, add one line [04:32] I can't even remember which package.. :-) [04:33] licq [04:33] And of course everything I have been doing has been wrong.. :'-( [04:34] uh, why do you say that? [04:35] Because I looked at over 10 packages in MOTUToMerge and was using source from the archive not from MOM.. :'-( [04:36] I thought I asked tseng that but maybe I didn't phrase the question properly. === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:01] Jesus octave takes far too long to build === tritium has not used Jesus octave. Is it better than gnu octave? ;) === bddebian kicks tritium [05:20] :-) [05:20] just messing with you, bddebian ;) [05:21] I know man :-) === StoneTable [~stone@c-24-14-85-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wm_eddie [~wm_eddie@wm-eddie.info] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chesty_ [~chesty@unconcerned.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lool_ [~lool@pig.zood.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sbibayoff_ [steve@216.52.246.218] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-069-162.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:01] \sh_away: I'm heading for bed. I put a new patch up for octave. If you get a sec, could you check it out for me? Thanks. https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12413 === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@info1-121.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mitsuhiko [~blackbird@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> kornbluth.freenode.net === slomo [~slomo@p5487C0A7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lool_ [~lool@pig.zood.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xhaker [~xhaker@213.201.220.244] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === comadreja [~comadreja@comadreja.active.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mithrandir [~tfheen@c5100BC63.inet.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mitsuhiko [~blackbird@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-069-162.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StoneTable [~stone@c-24-14-85-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jamessan [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chillywilly [~danielb@CPE-65-26-216-107.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [~herzi@d043006.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun [~crimsun@crimsun.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bradb-afk [~bradb@modemcable082.64-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === j^ [~j@wg104.waag.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lamont [~lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === havoc [~havoc@CPE-24-167-241-63.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === torkel [torkel@shaka.acc.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zanaga [ejabberd@62.183.242.86] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mitsuhiko [~blackbird@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:12] hmmh.. should i file a bug against qemu to drop dependencies for proll and openhackware (which aren't in universe atm) or just bug someone to get them in to universe? [10:12] qemu works just fine without them. [10:12] and neither of them build out of the box on breezy === lsuactiafner [~noirrac@tpc-ip-nas-1-p43.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivan_ [~ivan@cm35.gamma9.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:23] can anybody tell where can I find a universes repository? [10:24] <\sh> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu [10:24] thanks [10:25] <\sh> ivan_: u need the sources.list? === l337 [~s2@host38-47.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:25] ya if its ok with you [10:25] <\sh> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu main restricted universe multiverse [10:25] thanks [10:30] \sh: there seem to be an error, is it because i'm using ppc? [10:31] <\sh> argl [10:31] <\sh> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse [10:31] <\sh> i missed the release [10:31] <\sh> too early in the morning sorry [10:32] ok thanks === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [~magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:58] zanaga: do you think you could provide a debdiff with changes needed for the current qemu package in breezy? [10:58] siretart: sure [10:58] zanaga: if yes, send me the debdiff, I'll happily review it [10:58] hi siretart, * [10:58] huhu ajmitch [10:59] <\sh> ah motu is waking up ,-) [10:59] but it's just 2 lines, moving proll and openhackware from dependency to suggests (or recommends) no other changes [10:59] hi \sh :) [10:59] zanaga: ah. i see. [10:59] zanaga: why do you think the debian qemu maintainers have them in depends? [11:00] <\sh> fixing kwave first..and then I have to check where this bloody libXcursor.la is coming from [11:00] \sh! [11:01] siretart: as far as i can see openhackware is for PPC emulation, it provides a bios for full PPC emulation. proll is javastation PROM, so i would guess that is a bios for javastation emulation [11:01] bochsbios provides support for x86, which we already have. === ajmitch tests updated blam [11:01] hm. why aren't they in ubuntu, then? [11:02] license issues? [11:02] as far as i can see openhackware fails to buils. [11:02] nah, shouldn't be... [11:02] same goes for proll [11:02] build even [11:02] zanaga: did these dependencies were added with the latest merge, and I didn't notice? [11:02] yup [11:02] i didn't notice them either before [11:03] damn [11:03] openhackware fails to build due to an invalid flag for gcc [11:03] then I'd suggest that try to get proll and openhackware built and included into universe [11:04] proll failed for some other reason [11:04] the problem is, that I'm way too busy to do that right now [11:04] :( [11:04] does pbuilder leave build logs somewhere? [11:04] no, but debuild does [11:05] but I think you could pipe pbuilder through tee(1) [11:06] too bad X is too broken atm, i can't get a pipe char atm ;) [11:06] hehe [11:06] I've heard a few people having that problem [11:06] zanaga: | <- here you are ;) [11:06] thanks.. === ajmitch hasn't restarted his X server for quite awhile [11:07] siretart: copy & paste might not work either :) [11:07] i'm building with pbuilder now.. [11:07] cc -c -Wall -g -O2 -fno-builtin -fno-common -nostdinc -mregnames -DBUILD_DATE=2005-07-24 -DBUILD_TIME=09:06:58 -Isrc/ -Isrc/libc/include -I/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.2//include -Isrc/dev -Isrc/dev/block -Isrc/dev/char -Isrc/dev/bus -DBIOS_BASE=0x05800000 -DBIOS_SIZE=507904 -Wa,-mregnames -o .objs/vectors.o src/vectors.S [11:07] cc1: error: invalid option 'regnames' [11:07] ajmitch: oh. damn :( === zanaga wonders how that came out [11:07] siretart: poor fabbione was having real issues with that [11:07] ajmitch: I can imagine [11:07] gaim -> jabber -> irc, is not the best combination =) [11:07] zanaga: probably an option removed from gcc 4.0 [11:08] it doesn't work with gcc-2.95 which was the original build dep for it [11:08] zanaga: try building with gcc-3.4 [11:08] -mregnames [11:08] -mno-regnames [11:08] On System V.4 and embedded PowerPC systems do (do not) emit regis [11:08] ter names in the assembly language output using symbolic forms. [11:08] hardly important.. :) [11:08] dropping and trying [11:08] yeah [11:08] (from info gcc-3.3) [11:09] it's still in the 4.0 info pages [11:09] the -m flags are architecture specific [11:10] lets see now [11:10] perhaps it is misdetecting the architecture [11:10] neat [11:10] it builds.. [11:10] i wonder if it works too ;) [11:10] heh [11:10] zanaga: you rock! [11:10] hmm.. lets see if qemu can boot my PPC hoary cd [11:12] no, wait.. i misread =( [11:13] <\sh> *grmpf* [11:13] <\sh> argl [11:13] <\sh> i can't build kde stuff again [11:13] <\sh> * Stop installing libXcursor.la. === tamir [~tamir@85-65-207-196.barak-online.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:13] <\sh> and all .la from kde are referencing libXcursor.la [11:14] <\sh> *banghisheadonthedesk* [11:14] \sh: evil [11:14] \sh: be careful, this could hurt. much [11:14] <\sh> ajmitch: yes...and I'm looking for an issue in the source [11:15] most likely in the libtool abyss [11:15] <\sh> I should prio all mails from daniels...bold, red, blink [11:15] <\sh> yeah...cd /usr/lib/kde3/ ; grep libXcursor.la * > messed [11:19] curses.. [11:19] the instruction is required === tortoise_ [~tortoise@81-86-196-118.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax6-094.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lsuactiafner [~noirrac@tpc-ip-nas-1-p154.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:42] <\sh> hmmm...3 pbuilder on a 1.6GHz machine is not fast enough *grrr* [12:42] heh [12:42] <\sh> cleaning the merge list === ajmitch is trying to get mini-dinstall setup that it runs pbuilder on install [12:42] plus a few other checks :) [12:43] <\sh> kwave , pycaml, rpy [12:43] <\sh> phew === janm [~jm__@202.172.110.247] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:52] \sh: why have you linked the buildlogs of mol in the bugreport? [12:52] <\sh> slomo: to show that it build [12:53] ah ok ;) === terrex [~terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:54] <\sh> hmmm...it looks like that I'm trying to let the buildds burn ,-) === Valandil [~chrys@dsl-084-056-123-002.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:58] \sh: do you know why bogofilter is built and fails over and over again on the buildds? [12:59] <\sh> slomo: no...:( [01:02] missing tdb-dev [01:04] ajmitch: yes but why is the building retried endlessly? [01:05] because it'll sit there & retry forever [01:05] yes it's annoying :) [01:06] I don't know why it's not in dep-wait [01:08] <\sh> damn...now I have to patch everything by myself [01:08] \sh: why? [01:08] <\sh> ajmitch: rezound...I found a patch for some issues with gcc4 and the patch is not applying correctly :( [01:09] ah [01:09] I thought you meant that you had to do the whole MOM merging by yourself :) [01:13] <\sh> nono ,-) [01:14] <\sh> or I hope not ,-) [01:14] ajmitch: blam wfm [01:15] tseng: yeah, I see it compiled cleanly, thanks [01:26] \sh: have you already tested the kwave patch? [01:29] <\sh> slomo: it's building..and applying..but I have some debian/rules problems :( [01:29] <\sh> just now I'm patching rezound :( [01:30] \sh: yeah it's building... but does it really work? ;) don't send this out in the wild before running it please ;) === AstralJava [~jaska@cm-062-241-217-117.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] <\sh> slomo: I don't have any clue about what I'm using it for ,-) [01:32] <\sh> but I will test it :) === blueyed [~daniel@i538716AC.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:33] \sh: wonderful ;) i even don't know what kwave is good for =) i think you can somehow open a flac file and look somewhere at the tags... and the vendor field is the interesting... should be something like "Encoded by...." === zyga [~zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:34] <\sh> slomo: let's have a look..I'm installing it now ;) [01:36] <\sh> slomo: works :) [01:36] <\sh> actually no segfault...but I don't have any flac file with vendor settings[ [01:37] every flac file has one... isn't there somewhere something like "Encoded by:"? [01:38] hmm, pbuilder & mini-dinstall won't work well [01:38] the vendor field contains the name of the encoder [01:38] since I won't usually upload an orig.tar.gz with it [01:38] <\sh> you load a flac-file and then you have the file infos [01:39] ok... well it doesn't segfault so it seems to work... weird flac api ;) [01:42] <\sh> now lets hope that it compiles for the other archs [01:49] <\sh> now it goes for rezound === zyga [~zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:51] <\sh> ok..patch applied correctly [01:53] \sh, www.grawert.net/mediawiki_1.4.7-0ubuntu1_all.deb [01:53] ;) [01:53] no configuration yet.... [01:53] hm awesome @ mediawiki [01:54] yes, but there is still some way to go for the package to get rid of commandline config... [01:55] <\sh> damn another bug [01:55] you still have to chmod the config dir... etc... [01:56] wahh... X11/XKBlib.h includes X11/extensions/XKBstr.h which is not in libx11-dev but somewhere else ;) === herve [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:57] morning [01:58] <\sh> slomo: apt-file is your friend ,-) [02:00] \sh: but this only searches in installed packages? [02:01] <\sh> no [02:01] <\sh> sudo apt-get install apt-file curl [02:01] <\sh> sudo apt-file update [02:01] hm ok, thanks :) a new candidate for my toolbox ;) [02:02] <\sh> ok..another patch generated [02:02] <\sh> rebuilding rezound [02:03] <\sh> and it looks like we have to rebuild some stuff from kde main :( libXcursor.la is not installed anymore ,-) [02:15] hmm... why has /usr/X11R6/include disappeared? [02:16] <\sh> it should be /usr/include/X11 now or something similar [02:16] I think /usr/X11R6 is the one disappearing [02:16] and not only because X11R7 is close :-) [02:17] <\sh> lol === TheMagus [~magnus@modem-918.gazelle.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:17] hehe ok :) on what version of X is the breezy version based? 7.0pre or 6.9pre? === ajmitch fights apache & mod_rewrite :) [02:18] yay, it works [02:20] you have no excuse, the rewrite rule doc is quite good :-) [02:20] <\sh> what the helll [02:20] Is there anyone around who can answer some questions regarding filing bugs in malone? [02:20] <\sh> i386,amd64,ia64 successfull, ppc failed [02:21] <\sh> gcc -pipe -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/include/gc -O2 -DUSE_GC=1 -Istage2 -Ilib -I- -c stage2/RealMath.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/RealMath.o [02:21] <\sh> cc1: note: obsolete option -I- used, please use -iquote instead [02:21] I guess malone changed a lot last time I used it [02:21] TheMagus, just ask and see [02:21] which was maybe two month ago [02:21] well, how am I supposed to file them in order for them to be addressed? [02:21] \sh, gcc 4 or 3.4? [02:22] a bug is meant to be addressed, no? :-) [02:22] I filed a bug (469) that hasn't been addressed for months... all that's needed is a re-import of the Debian package [02:23] ajmitch, btw, did you care for pymad ? [02:23] ho it's more of a human issue than a malone issue [02:23] herve, so what can I do to fix it? [02:24] become a MOTU ? ;) [02:24] poke us even harder ? :) [02:24] or wait :) === terrex is away: Alimentndome // I'm eating st [02:24] I'm consufre, fix the bug or the package? [02:24] I have a few of those bugs... they're reported in Malone, I also reported them in Debian, they're fixed in Debian, but still not in Breezy [02:24] I can't even find what package it is on the malone page [02:24] ogre, who do I poke? where do I find a stick long enough? [02:25] terrex, please dont do that [02:25] herve, the package is sl-modem [02:25] seriously, guys [02:26] TheMagus, you just fond it in here :) but i also saw your mail.. i'll get imported, dont worry... additionally we have bugday every wednesday ... [02:26] malone got a clean interface [02:26] so clean you can't even find the package! [02:26] s/i'll/it'll [02:26] hello all :) nice to be with again [02:26] https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1109 [02:26] \sh, I saw your upload [02:27] tell me I'm not blind and the word sl-modem is not written on this page [02:27] herve, yes [02:27] ogra, nice [02:28] I'm blind? :-) [02:28] herve, I can see the string "sl-modem" on my page [02:28] TheMagus, in 1109 ? [02:28] ogra, no, not 1109, 469... I did mention I filed a few bugs, right? [02:29] even so, there's no package information on this page [02:29] TheMagus, yes, i was wondering why herve searched for sl-modem in there [02:29] <\sh> comadreja: good :) [02:29] \sh: the other one... is there a problem with it ? [02:29] ogra, I search for a package name [02:29] gringotts [02:29] herve, 469 is on sl-modem... 1109 is on gringotts... [02:29] its written there [02:30] ogra, herve, 1177 is on gnucash [02:30] Ubuntu gringotts [02:30] I thought it was some silly name indicating the bug is in ubuntu [02:30] yeah [02:31] herve, nope, thas right... gringotts could have the same bug in gentoo or redhat... so this prefix is required [02:31] ogra, another question on Malone... where do my bug reports go? I mean is there a mail sent somewhere or something? [02:31] sure but the column is named "upstream / distro" [02:31] not "distro / package" [02:32] TheMagus, mail and #ubuntu-bug ... we have a reporting bot :) [02:32] #ubuntu-bugs sorry [02:32] TheMagus, gringotts is fixed in Debian? [02:32] herve, bug-upstream == distro bugtracker [02:33] herve, yes it is... the bug in Debian is 316043 (as mentioned in the Malone bug report :-) [02:33] so upstream for the bug would be redhat/gringotts for example [02:34] ogra, ah, nice to know they aren't totally lost :-) how many bugs are unresolved at the moment? [02:34] no idea... malone is still not widely used by us... we're starting slowly to do more in there.... [02:35] oh, ok, that also explains some things [02:35] its stabilizin and will be v1.0 very soon.. [02:35] I was starting to get really fed up with it, and the apparent inactivity on closing bugs in it [02:35] this means I won't give up [02:36] \sh: kwave haven't built on amd64 :( [02:36] but currently we have more important bugs to solve, we have a lot of ongoing transitions that should have been completed a while ago... we're lacking manpower... so the best to get your bugs closed is to help out in here ;) [02:36] gringotts got important fixes in Debian [02:36] we should get the latest package [02:36] i.e. see topic ;) [02:37] hmm, malone doesnt show the version... [02:37] ogra, yes... I've seen some mentions of C++ ransitions and stuff on the dev mailing list [02:37] if its a ubuntuX package it would be covered by the merge stuff [02:39] TheMagus, yes and we have some 200 open merge bugs that should have been solved on the 21st, X transition to modularization (which causes a lot of pain for us all) and the newest is a complete slang1/2 transition [02:39] ogra, ah, sounds painful indeed... [02:39] yep [02:40] if BT get their arse into gear and actually turns on ADSL in the area where we live I might try to chip in a bit [02:40] TheMagus, you run breezy? [02:41] ogra: yes, done pymad, just haven't uploaded [02:41] herve, no, not yet... I just can't keep a Breezy system up-to-date over a modem connection === tamir [~tamir@85-65-207-196.barak-online.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:41] ajmitch, ok, thanks a lot :) [02:41] no, nothing [02:42] breezy-changes say we have 1.2.1-4 [02:42] but I have 1.2.8+1.2.9pre1-5 [02:42] so our version got the fix [02:42] TheMagus: it just takes patience :) [02:42] herve, good... then that Malone bug (1109) can be closed [02:43] ajmitch, I don't have the time... I work full time and do this only weekends and evenings... plus I'm married [02:43] once I get how to close a bug :-) [02:43] <\sh> yay...4 patches in a row...that's too much for me today...and kwave failed on amd64 [02:43] TheMagus: ah, that is a little harder.. [02:43] ajmitch is married too, no? :-) [02:43] herve: pfft, no [02:43] heh [02:43] hehe [02:44] herve, I guess malone is about as intuitive for bug-closers as it is for bug-reporters ;) [02:44] \sh: and there isn't a buildlog for kwave... [02:44] ajmitch, yes... I need a faster connection to keep up [02:45] slomo, its not copied yet... wait some minutes [02:45] <\sh> slomo: not now [02:45] <\sh> but I don't understand oo2c ppc build [02:45] <\sh> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/o/oo2c/1.5.9-4ubuntu1/ [02:46] <\sh> and I hope rezound is building now, after I patched the holy crap out of it === ajmitch looks at the broken code.. [02:46] well, I'm off... thanks ogra and herve... nice to meet you all... hopefully I'll be able to be here a bit more after Wednesday (official cut-over date for ADSL here) [02:47] yoohoo \o/ [02:47] TheMagus, we appreciate every helping hand even if its only on weekends for some hours ;) === Seveaz [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:47] TheMagus: see you round :) [02:47] yeah [02:47] at least, I think I closed the bug [02:47] you think ?? [02:48] It's marked "fixed", nothing more [02:49] herve: malone is confusing you as well? ;) [02:49] did I tell such a thing? :-) [02:49] <\sh> yay...rezound is crap [02:49] ogra, I should be able to do that... no problem... I'll be back here asking for MOTU status ASAP [02:49] if you are confused by something in malone [02:49] you need to file abug with the use case [02:50] <\sh> yahooo....i finally made it... [02:50] TheMagus, yay... i'm waiting for you ;) [02:50] or it will stay broken [02:50] yes, making my way to it [02:50] herve, it shows up as 'fixed', that's good enough for me [02:50] ogra, you live in here? [02:50] half way, yes... [02:50] *g* [02:51] :) [02:51] well, see you in here soon again! === TheMagus [~magnus@modem-918.gazelle.dialup.pol.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === TheMagus [~magnus@modem-918.gazelle.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:53] ogra: uploaded pymad [02:53] hopefully I didn't break it too badly ;) [02:53] ajmitch, we'll see :) close the bug if it works ;) [02:54] works for me(tm) [02:54] I tested the upgrade a couple of times [02:55] ok, my bugs are already reported [02:55] 168, let's give them a rest :-) [02:56] see you around [02:56] \sh: the kwave-amd64 problem lies upstream i think... there seems to be some assembler stuff in it === zyga [~zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:57] who was packaging gnomebaker for amd64 recently? [02:57] <\sh> slomo: *grrrrr* [02:58] <\sh> finally I fixed rezound [02:58] <\sh> and reported all patches to debian as well [03:01] <\sh> hmm...ppc is also 64bit arch, right? [03:01] \sh: nope... normal ppc is 32bit but ppc64 also exists [03:02] <\sh> so what arch we're building ppc for? 32 or 64? [03:02] 32 [03:02] <\sh> grrrr... [03:03] why? [03:03] can a package have two maintainers ? the merged version has two, is that a problem ? === Danten [~danten@h147n7c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] <\sh> slomo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/o/oo2c/1.5.9-4ubuntu1/oo2c_1.5.9-4ubuntu1_20050724-1250-powerpc-failed.gz [03:05] \sh: saw that... where is NaN (not a number?!) defined? [03:05] slomo NaN is afaik a division by 0 [03:06] slomo means Not a Number [03:06] comadreja: yeah but where is it defined? math.h? hmm *grepping* [03:06] <\sh> slomo: I think it's something else..because of this -I- [03:07] \sh: well that will be in the x86 buildlog as well i think... [03:08] <\sh> yeah [03:08] <\sh> but I fix this as well [03:08] <\sh> so lets check for NaN [03:08] i've grepped /usr/include and it's defined nowhere there... [03:09] afaik it's a compiler thing, not defined anywhere, so it has to be defined in the program itself [03:10] NaN does not seem like a compiler thing, not i C at least [03:11] <\sh> it's inside the source [03:11] <\sh> "NaN' for illegal numbers. [03:11] <\sh> IF Low.IsNaN(real) THEN COPY("NaN", str); RETURN END; [03:11] that looks like some very crappy language [03:11] \sh: hm, and why can't it be found by gcc? [03:12] \sh: wtf... what's that language? ;) [03:12] gnu basic ;-) ? [03:12] <\sh> slomo: i don't have a clue...but it's only occuring on ppc [03:12] hm i'll test it later on ppc :) [03:13] <\sh> oberon [03:13] <\sh> oberon2 [03:13] <\sh> I like wirth [03:13] hm === _mitsuhiko [~blackbird@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sebest_ [~chatzilla@sebest.ovibes.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:20] <\sh> hmmm [03:22] <\sh> i would like to have 2.1.8 in the tree...cause this is maintained...1.5.9 is from 2002 *ugh* [03:22] is 2.1.8 in debian? [03:23] <\sh> no...1.5.9 is latest in debian [03:23] anything depend on it? [03:24] well, i suppose you could have both.. [03:24] it depends on itselfg [03:24] thats about it [03:24] <\sh> hmmm...libooc-xml [03:24] <\sh> hmmm...libooc-x11 [03:24] <\sh> hmmm...libooc-vo [03:24] im guessing thats the same source [03:25] <\sh> no [03:26] hmm, i'll take the xfce4 stuff... or is anybody already working on it? [03:28] slomo, crimsun and jani are the xfce4 team... [03:28] we dont use debians xfce4 [03:28] ah ok... so close these bugs? [03:29] slomo, nope, but poke _them_ to do that and get the sync done... its UVF and they should already work on it... but i havent seen any sign they do so.... === herve begins to think writing unit tests can be fun [03:30] ogra: ok [03:31] crimsun is away over the weekend ;) [03:33] <\sh> slomo: i have a patch for amd64 [03:33] \sh: for kwave? [03:33] <\sh> jepp [03:34] cool :) [03:36] <\sh> hmmm.. [03:36] <\sh> applied but this is complaint by amd64 [03:36] <\sh> *strange* === DanielN`aw [~daniel@84-72-116-21.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@info1-244.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:42] <\sh> lets revert the patch they applied and check [03:42] looks like I'll be doing all-night coding again :) [03:43] ajmitch: sad, since its a nice sunday night..hehe [03:43] jsgotangco: yeah, but I need this done by tomorrow morning :) [03:43] s/tomorrow/this/ [03:43] :) [03:49] phew, dholbachs gparted packge get heavy critics in the utnubu ML [03:50] :/ === ivoks [~ivoks@83-131-134-214.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:57] herve: ping [03:58] yo ivoks [03:58] really nice photographs [03:58] ogra: is there an archive of that? [03:58] thanks [03:58] ogra: i proabbly have a few things on their list [03:59] tseng, dunno, i just got my first mail from the list and it was a gparted bashing one .... i havent looked for an archive yet [03:59] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/utnubu-discuss/ === blueyed_ [~daniel@i53870159.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:02] <\sh> ok..doing another upload of kwave [04:02] ogra: that didnt sound nice at all from the looks of the mail [04:03] nope [04:04] man joss is such a tool [04:04] i think ill avoid reading this for awhile [04:11] btw why is ubuntu spelled backwards? [04:12] zyga: because it's a debian project to get ubuntu changes back into debian [04:13] heh utnubu is a debian project to have ubuntu changes to debian [04:14] <\sh> holy crap [04:14] <\sh> clean: configure *grrrr* [04:15] heh :) [04:15] makes sense :) [04:16] something interesting cought my eye there [04:16] how fed up is everyone with autotools [04:20] <\sh> hmmm....do I get an oscar if I manage to fix the merge list? ,-) [04:21] \sh: nah, just copious amounts of beer ;) === wickedpuppy [~billy@cm51.epsilon160.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:23] <\sh> my hands are paining ,-) [04:26] \sh, take a break, we _need_ you ! [04:26] (or do some inverstment and get a brain interface) === ivoks is drunk ;) [04:26] ogra: i'm working on backup software [04:27] yay [04:27] <\sh> ogra: well... [04:27] i guess it will be over for 1.9. [04:27] ok, guys.. [04:27] see you.. back to the beach [04:27] <\sh> ogra: I'm waiting for some packages to compile and get into the archives...I have some which are build-dep on those [04:28] \sh may I help you ? [04:28] <\sh> but it looks like, that man is beating machine [04:28] *sigh* i know this situation... [04:29] <\sh> comadreja: take whatever you like...put your name in the changelog...and send me the bugs via jabber [04:29] \sh but any particular package ? [04:29] \sh anyone that would help you ? [04:30] <\sh> comadreja: no...any from the merge list which is not in pending state ,-) [04:30] \sh which jabber address ? [04:30] <\sh> sh at linux-server.org [04:31] <\sh> I'm missing my at sign...*grrr* === bddebian [~bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:31] Morning [04:31] hi bddebian [04:31] hello there bddebian [04:31] Hello ajmitch, comadreja === herve offers a @ to \sh [04:32] hello bddebian [04:32] Heya herve [04:43] yay, mono install bug [04:43] <\sh> ok..showering time..brb [04:44] tseng: looks like a manpage migrated into mono-utils, without it having the right conflicts, etc [04:44] ajmitch: yes [04:44] bug me in a bit === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-088-179.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:45] sure [04:47] cvs co evolution-sharp -r0.7 [04:47] how do i checkout a tag [04:47] oh [04:48] same way, iirc [04:48] think too [04:50] it was -r EVOLUTION_SHARP_0_7 [04:51] buh now that is stupid [04:51] beagle guys didnt bump configure check on evo sharp [04:51] but if you build with 0.6 it explodes horribly [04:51] better.. there is no 0.7 release, you have to pull the tag from cvs [04:55] If I change the control file for build-deps I should bump the ubuntuX version right? [04:56] yes [04:57] thx ajmitch [05:00] my beagle is only using 33m atm [05:00] we'll see if it makes anyones box fall over [05:02] let me try [05:02] I've never had beagle stay up longer than a few minutes due to mem usage [05:03] eh [05:03] you need to get evo-sharp from cvs [05:03] if you have time, thatd be great === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zanaga [ejabberd@62.183.242.86] has joined #ubuntu-motu === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === j_fletcher [~james@nukeh.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lathiat [lathiat@gasp.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [~janc@JanC.member.lugwv] has joined #ubuntu-motu === whiprush [~jorge@arslinux.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh [~sh@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hrvoje [~phx@anak.math.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:04] cvs co -r EVOLUTION_SHARP_0_7 evolution-sharp [05:04] from gnome cvs [05:04] then build beagle 0.12 [05:05] its up to 46mb res now [05:05] 22 shared [05:07] 16069 brandon 16 0 122m 62m 11m S [05:07] hm :/ [05:07] but i am running EXERCISE_THE_DOG=1 === ajmitch has to get the build deps first [05:07] turns off all throttling [05:07] heh [05:08] planning to package evo sharp 0.7? [05:08] yes [05:08] ill have to do an epoch or something [05:08] why would you need that? [05:08] because there is no 0.7 tarball [05:08] id be rolling my own [05:09] or go for the ugly 0.6.999+0.7 [05:09] or 0.7~1 [05:09] yes [05:09] Heh [05:09] either way avoids the epoch [05:09] is epoch bad? [05:09] it's permanent [05:09] oh. [05:09] so you carry it round with you for the life of the package [05:09] ill take the first them [05:10] tseng, epoch is the worst you can do [05:10] 0.6.99+0.7 [05:10] i was thinking 0.6.99_epoch [05:10] or something like that [05:10] +0.7 makes sense [05:10] ah [05:11] oh you guys mean epoch-as-version [05:11] epoch is like 1:version [05:11] yep [05:11] i was going to tack it on the end [05:11] heh [05:11] that's not so bad then [05:11] +0.7 is cleaner [05:11] yeah [05:11] though still not very clean [05:12] but it's what you commonly see [05:12] for things like 2.0alpha === poningru [~poningru@pool-70-110-79-214.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:12] well im pretty happy with beagle 0.12 [05:12] ill package today and see what amd64 guys have to say [05:13] ogra: i think/hope ill get an amd64 from the laptop program [05:13] great [05:13] tseng, did you het mail from claire ? === ajmitch has been looking at buying one for awhile [05:13] s/het/get [05:13] ogra: the email wasnt clear, but thats why im on it [05:14] tseng, great... i didnt... :/ [05:14] hm === \sh neither :( [05:14] they know how busy i am :) [05:14] it does say "community members" :P === ajmitch was never on the laptop team list [05:14] not "canonical dudes" [05:14] ah well === \sh is no canon food dude ,-) === tseng is community member #0 === ajmitch is just a lazy bum [05:15] amen [05:15] :-) [05:15] quiet you [05:15] im not sure how to return this to claire, i have no printer/fax [05:15] <\sh> actually...are there 3ghz laptops? ,-) [05:15] ogra: im surprised [05:15] i wonder if she can take a gpg clearsign [05:16] \sh: Did you happen to see my "notes" last night? [05:16] yeah i dont have a printer either [05:16] <\sh> tseng: snail mail [05:16] \sh: i could fax it before that [05:16] i should buy one of those multifunction printers [05:16] <\sh> bddebian: "notes"? which one [05:16] jsgotangco, i wouldnt have th etime... once i have istallable edubuntu CDs you wont see me anymore bcause i have to test and tweak all the time [05:16] if i bought a printer i could fax it at office max [05:16] <\sh> bddebian: I don't have a backlog of IRC [05:16] \sh: Ahhh [05:16] bye ogra :( [05:17] lol [05:17] \sh: I wondered if you could look at the octave diff I put up on the bug? [05:17] tseng, it wont be _this_ bad... but i'll be heavily busy [05:17] ogra: we'll miss you [05:18] heh [05:18] by then, hopefully dholbach will be around to lead the MOTUs [05:18] <\sh> bddebian: will do...let me finish the asc upload..takes a while....442kbit/s upstream + 9 MB source == slow like hell [05:18] if \sh doesn't take up that role ;) [05:18] i'll be back ! [05:18] \sh: No rush, thanks [05:18] <\sh> ajmitch: no ways [05:18] Later ogra [05:18] \sh: heh, why not? [05:18] \sh, ?? not ?? [05:19] <\sh> it's enough for me to have my job + night duties + packaging and fixing stuff [05:19] ajmitch: i still have memory free [05:19] \sh, we already planned 6h/day for you ... [05:19] ajmitch: a whoping 11mb :) [05:19] :) [05:19] <\sh> we can talk about it in 1 1/2 years time, when I need to search a new job [05:19] tseng: great [05:19] \sh, nah, volunteering 6h/day indeed... [05:19] <\sh> ogra: who is we, and why that? ,-) [05:19] ogra: 6h/day isn't much :) [05:20] ajmitch, lets raise it to 10h ? [05:20] be nice, 8 will do [05:20] <\sh> u guys r crazy [05:20] <\sh> when should I have sex? [05:20] ok, 8.5 .... [05:21] make it quick [05:21] and youll be fine. [05:21] lol [05:21] man my wife is playing around with google earth and im green with envy at the moment.... [05:22] the little bit i saw of google earth didnt look that useful [05:22] <\sh> what does this mean? universe/sound/rezound_1: Not-For-Us [optional:] [05:22] tseng: lots of eye candy though [05:23] yes [05:23] bbl [05:23] i can even see our house in chicago.. [05:25] OK darnit. packagesearch build-deps libdebtags1-dev (>= 1.0.3) and as far as I can tell we only have libdebtags-dev 0.9.9 [05:27] Should I try it with just libdebtags-dev 0.9.9? [05:40] bddebian: look at what have changed between the versions and try if it builds ;) [05:41] *yawn* good night folks [05:41] night jerome [05:41] hmm, nearly 4am here :) [05:41] slomo: It depends libdebtags1-dev and we don't have it [05:41] ajmitch: you should sleep hehe [05:41] jsgotangco: I'll sleep after work today - I think I'll leave at about lunchtime or so :) [05:42] bddebian: try with libdebtags-dev ;) [05:42] alright :) [05:42] slomo: it probably won't work [05:43] jamessan: maybe === Arrogance [~aks@CPE00112f96b894-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:46] Nope, it pukes.. :'-( [05:46] hi Arrogance [05:47] So what should I mark the bug as "upstream" ?? === zanaga [ejabberd@62.183.242.86] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:47] hi aj === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:comadreja] : ubuntu-meeting [05:47] uh [05:47] what ? [05:47] sigh [05:47] bddebian: you could always just ask that we have libdebtags1-dev in breezy :) [05:47] sorry, do I have privileges for that ?! [05:47] comadreja: yes... [05:47] damn [05:47] ajmitch: Aye fair enough but shouldn't I tag the bug for now? [05:48] if someone has what the topic used to be, please restore it === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:slomo] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | for reviewing (NEW or updated)? go here: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ | First priority: MERGING , deadline was 2005-07-21 buglist: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge | http://wiki.debian.net/?EtchSlang2upgrade [05:48] does anyone have the old topic [05:48] good job slomo [05:48] thanks slomo [05:48] thanks :D [05:48] :) [05:48] slomo is my hero again!! :-) [05:48] bddebian: yes, write something, whatever you need.. [05:48] tseng: there's a new cowbell release ;) i'm packaging it atm :) [05:49] slomo: rock on! [05:49] slomo: he fixed my bug [05:49] or feature request rather [05:49] im using cvs [05:49] s/cvs/svn [05:50] <\sh> if you have not enough work...come get some ,-) === \sh bangs his head [05:50] \sh: can I defer it a day? :) [05:50] I've got to get this work done in the next ~5 hours ;) [05:50] and irc is far too distracting [05:50] <\sh> ajmitch: I'm cxx trans some libs which r missing *grrr* [05:51] \sh: ? [05:51] <\sh> some libs are not finished by the cxx trans [05:53] Gotta run for a bit [05:54] \sh: fine, I'll note those that are just very broken === mitsuhiko [~blackbird@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:55] tseng: it's uploaded on revu [05:55] <\sh> ajmitch: check ace ,-) === ogra [~ogra@p5089DA0D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:56] like libcrypto++, evil thing that it is [05:56] btw your wine upgrade broke my games ;) [05:56] ogra: are we allowed to upload NEW packages to universe [05:56] wb ogra [05:56] <\sh> ajmitch: good ,-) [05:56] pff :P [05:57] <\sh> ajmitch: actually it's not newed anymore ,-) [05:57] ? [05:58] <\sh> ajmitch: the binaries were newed :( only god knows why [05:58] yes === mitsuhiko [~blackbird@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:58] and I got the new package in an upgrade [05:59] and now diablo 2 complains about directx [05:59] <\sh> ajmitch: test them [05:59] <\sh> those are scotties packages from winehq [05:59] I know [05:59] <\sh> btw..he never replied to my mail [05:59] <\sh> :( [05:59] hm i wonder if starcraft plays nicely full screen [05:59] <\sh> so I have those packages now on my ass [06:00] i tired it a few years ago and it played slowly, and only allowed a very small window [06:01] it used to play nicely [06:01] I played it recently in a window [06:02] not as fun as diablo 2 though [06:02] evil broken source === ajmitch hacks some more [06:03] anyone tried halflife on wine? [06:03] tseng: yes, I've tried it years ago ;) wasn't much fun but it worked... [06:03] too bad all my cds are at my parents house [06:07] holy crap, \sh is a madman [06:07] dholbach jr. [06:07] <\sh> what [06:08] you are uploading like crazy :) [06:08] <\sh> crap [06:08] no, its good [06:08] <\sh> only getting rid of this old crap ,-) [06:08] yeah, my gmail account is straining under the load [06:08] <\sh> and my laptop was burning this morning and afternoon [06:09] <\sh> 3 to 4 pbuilder parallel [06:09] heh [06:09] insane [06:10] <\sh> hmmm...openvrml 0.14.3 is obsolete [06:10] <\sh> 0.15.9 maintained [06:10] isn't vrml obsolete? :) [06:10] <\sh> well..not for the frozenapps list [06:10] <\sh> *grrr* [06:11] <\sh> why did I ask infinity [06:12] <\sh> ogra: how do i go with it? It looks like that openvrml needs a new version :( [06:13] <\sh> 0.14.3 is not maintained anymore from upstream [06:15] <\sh> hmmm [06:15] <\sh> mozilla-plugin development..which package? [06:16] firefox-dev ? [06:17] <\sh> no...mozilla-dev [06:17] <\sh> I hope...;) [06:17] <\sh> ok...let it build..need some food [06:20] not sure if we're using mozilla-dev for anything, or moving everything to firefox [06:20] ive moved all my stuff to firefox-dev [06:21] rdepends on mozilla might be a good indicator? [06:21] tseng, rather NEW then new upstream versions of existing packages ;) [06:21] <\sh> I'll try it first with mozilla and then firefox [06:22] \sh, ask for a sync, ok with me to overrid UVF for that [06:22] <\sh> ogra: no sync..debian is just old [06:22] hmm... [06:23] \sh, its a merger ? [06:23] <\sh> and their r no gcc4 patches at upstream for 0.14.3 [06:23] <\sh> ogra: cxx [06:23] <\sh> trans [06:24] <\sh> and that was the reason noone took it ,-) [06:24] <\sh> and Ihave the crap again on my **** [06:27] what is planned in debian ? any bugreports there etc.. ? [06:27] (probably doko can tell) [06:28] <\sh> no [06:28] <\sh> nothing...i checked...and upstream is refering to new releases [06:29] oki [06:29] <\sh> i need to get the build-deps straight === mitsuhiko [~blackbird@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] <\sh> woah...build-deps correct...building now === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mitsuhiko [~blackbird@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frimost [~david@120.Red-83-35-182.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Dantis [~danten@h174n11c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:33] <\sh> damn === DanielN [~daniel@84-72-116-21.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:52] <\sh> hey DanielN === MagnusR [~magru@85.194.14.142] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [07:58] \sh, hey! glad to be back again :) [07:58] \sh: Hey, I have to get back to painting but any chance you had a sec to look at octave yet? [07:58] <\sh> bddebian: I'm just fcking the openvrml package here...it take ages [07:59] <\sh> 26388 root 18 0 424m 417m 3844 R 64.2 82.7 1:54.25 cc1plus [07:59] \sh: OK, np, thanks [07:59] <\sh> bddebian: when this is built i will check it...believe me... [07:59] No worries, I know you're busy [07:59] bbiab [07:59] <\sh> i want to crack the 50 upload mark..today ,-) [08:01] <\sh> any motu awake who can upload? ;) [08:04] awake, just.. [08:06] <\sh> damn...where is nsISupports.idl [08:08] <\sh> now I need a chroot *grrr* [08:08] :) === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-087-026.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:10] <\sh> now I know why nobody wanted to take openvrml === mpathy [~markus@p54A18397.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:11] guys mpathy likes to care for some ruby stuff... in motu world [08:11] hi there.. I "repaired" a ubuntu-package where shall I upload it? [08:12] hey WAIT.. i am a newbie ;) [08:12] revu [08:12] see the topic [08:12] mpathy, this doesnt stay like this for long if you hang around here [08:13] mpathy, be warned it cna take a good long time for it to go through REVU (unless you submit close to a review day) [08:14] tseng: how did the RoR showing-off go? :) [08:14] Lathiat: hm well [08:14] Lathiat: we were going to make a webapp for doing firewall changes [08:14] Lathiat: but the higher-ups have cold feet [08:15] it would be a form to request src-> dest ip ranges and ports [08:15] infosec could approve each [08:15] oh.. okay.. its only a small change.. [08:15] and then it would spit out a Cisco PIX config [08:16] hmm [08:16] where do you find the shlibs thing? [08:16] file? [08:16] cause for some reason, i'm getting somting output a dependency on phpapi-20020918-zts [08:16] which doesnt exist === SloMoSnail [~slomo@p5487C0A7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:17] <\sh> damn more damn damage === DanielN is now known as DanielN`aw [08:19] slomo: link to your latest cowbell please? [08:19] <\sh> grmpf...i have to fix configure.ac [08:19] <\sh> and I'm a complete autoconf noob [08:19] slomo: oh.. we need more reviewers I guess. [08:19] ogra: okay I'll have a look at these documentations.. then I start with this MOTU thing but slooow :) [08:20] mpathy: if your fixes are rather small, consider prividing debdiffs, since for small changes, they are more easy to review [08:20] tseng: please don't vote for this version ;) it works but the copyright stuff has to be fixed [08:21] tseng: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=170 [08:21] siretart: debdiffs? huh? as I said, i am a newbie.. but I trieng to read me through this things.. :) [08:21] mpathy: ah, ok, sorry then ;) [08:22] mpathy: do you know what a debian sourcepackage is? and understand what's this .dsc file about? [08:22] siretart, please pull http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=165 from revu [08:22] siretart: 1. yes 2. dont know :) [08:22] (for now) [08:22] SloMoSnail: yeah it can wait [08:22] Mez: you want php-clamav archived or nuked? please make a comment in future [08:23] tseng: i've already mailed upstream for clarification... and i'll upload the package tomorrow to svn when i've access [08:23] SloMoSnail: awesome [08:23] to svn? [08:23] mpathy: if you do a "dpkg-buildpackage", then you'll gett some shiny .dsc file in '..' [08:24] mpathy: now try 'debdiff origpackage.dsc modifiedpackage.dsc' [08:24] siretart: well, I'm confused - it depends on PHP with zts, and refers to a package that isnt in debian or ubuntu, and nether seems to install any zts build of php [08:24] tseng: this debian mono svn thing... meebey suggested to upload the package there [08:24] ohh [08:24] that is awesome [08:24] Mez: so you want it nuked, yes? please provide such information directly to revu [08:25] yes its much better that way [08:25] siretart, done [08:26] tseng: btw... you wanted to talk with me regarding gstreamer-plugins-multiverse :) [08:26] SloMoSnail: yes! [08:27] now where did i put it === zyga [~zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:28] siretart: okay i will try that.. hope to send my patch for 'alexandria' next weekend! [08:28] or debdiff.. [08:28] whatever it is called :) [08:28] mpathy: cool! [08:29] SloMoSnail: http://tseng2.ath.cx/~brandon/gst-plugins/ [08:29] SloMoSnail: wanna see what you can do with this? [08:30] SloMoSnail: its a work in progress, could add lame and some other goodies [08:31] tseng: thanks, i'll look at it :) when i change something where shall i send the changes? [08:31] SloMoSnail: revu [08:31] for checkin hopefully :) [08:32] ok :) [08:32] tseng: sweet [08:32] re [08:33] Lathiat: oh, i did a rails app at home though === susus [~sz@p5089DA0D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:36] <\sh> building again and again and again... [08:37] <\sh> listenin to shermann "Master Of Patches" [08:38] tseng: you simply took the gstreamer-plugins package and changed some stuff? in the rules there's so much stuff we don't need... [08:38] SloMoSnail: yep [08:38] \sh: lol [08:38] SloMoSnail: its a pretty quick-n-dirty hack [08:38] Lathiat: http://tseng2.ath.cx:3000/admin [08:39] Lathiat: i spent an hour or two on this and the rails pdf [08:39] tseng: would it be ok to rewrite the package from scratch? i think i can create a rules with <100 lines ;) [08:39] SloMoSnail: sure. [08:39] <\sh> siretart: no fun anymore...this source eats up my mem just like a lion on mad cow desease [08:39] SloMoSnail: its all yours if you'll take it [08:41] tseng: fine :) but it can take some time... [08:41] <\sh> start to swap...now [08:41] SloMoSnail: no problem [08:41] <\sh> 24333 shermann 18 0 410m 367m 3004 D 27.5 72.9 0:35.92 cc1plus [08:41] <\sh> and increasing === mae [~mae@dpc674653178.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh thinks about switching from caffeine to aspirin... === tseng [~tseng@tseng2.ath.cx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SloMoSnail throws a few aspirin to \sh :) [08:54] can someone say something in utf8? [08:55] <\sh> no [08:55] trying to make screen+irssi work [08:55] tseng: [08:55] <\sh> i don't have any umlauts [08:55] SloMoSnail: erm, i want to get irssi to print utf8 instead of garbage. you know [08:56] caf [08:57] tseng: ah ok... so how can i help other than giving you a few utf8 characters? ;) [08:57] that would be perfect [08:57] i have us keyboard [08:57] no compose key? [08:58] tseng: <--- these are utf8 characters... and you can get some with altgr+6 for example... the not-symbol [08:58] altgr? [08:58] slomo, us keyboard :-) [08:58] thos came as ? [08:59] hmm, \sh how is this key called on us keyboards? ;) [08:59] irssi must be wrong [08:59] tseng, so irsii doesn't get it [08:59] yes [08:59] i fixed screen already [08:59] irssi is displaying the accents here [08:59] <\sh> rebuilding again [09:01] <\sh> removing all mozilla-plugin crap [09:01] sounds like \sh is having fun [09:02] <\sh> bloody rest of the cxx trans...and this lib is getting me crazy [09:02] <\sh> making even [09:02] <\sh> increasing caffeine level [09:03] <\sh> i thought my 4 patches for rezound this morning were enough... === tseng [~tseng@tseng2.ath.cx] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:05] <\sh> start swaping now === uniq [charlie@3ffe:80ee:31fe:0:0:0:0:33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tseng [~tseng@tseng2.ath.cx] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:17] i am now utf-8 enabled. [09:17] <\sh> hmm [09:18] <\sh> I screwed now everything [09:18] <\sh> just try again 0.14.3 [09:23] can you read caf? [09:23] herve: yes. [09:23] welcome to utf8 land then :-) === Panzerboy [~NoName@panzerboy.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:29] thanks. === schweeb sets tseng's utf-8 on fire [09:30] also moved screen to a more convenient server [09:30] schweeb: holy crap its you [09:30] indeed [09:32] <\sh> if this is going to work now...I will upload this piece of crap and start smoking weed again [09:32] o_O [09:33] <\sh> 0.15.9 is broken like hell..and 0.14.3 is not better [09:34] what package? [09:34] <\sh> openvrml [09:34] <\sh> the last bit of cxx trans [09:34] <\sh> so infinity is happy [09:34] <\sh> and I have peace [09:34] <\sh> no [09:34] <\sh> man [09:34] <\sh> dudes [09:34] <\sh> I finally made it [09:34] <\sh> woooo [09:35] <\sh> bloody hell...I fixed it [09:35] \sh++ [09:36] <\sh> ok...one last bit of crap in rules...missing c2 [09:36] \sh: congratulations :) bddebian has to give you the hero of the day status ;) [09:37] <\sh> last rebuilding of openvrml... [09:37] \sh, I'll buy you a beer if we meet some day [09:37] s/if/when :-) [09:38] \sh: rock! [09:39] <\sh> *phew* I'm finished now [09:39] <\sh> I didn't drink any alcohol...but my head is spinning [09:40] hey congrats \sh [09:41] \sh: i know that feeling... was coding some java stuff this afternoon ;) [09:42] <\sh> SloMoSnail: eeek [09:42] <\sh> .oO(would ogra say now) [09:42] does he like java as much as i do? ;) [09:43] <\sh> well...I think he loves java *eg* [09:46] :) [09:46] i do alot of tcl at work [09:46] i work on other peoples very bad tcl [09:46] i dont want any of your complaining about java :P === ajmitch codes php for a living :P [09:47] i do that too [09:47] almost as bad as VB [09:47] but i threw the old php out the window [09:47] and started fresh [09:47] good move [09:47] i want to move to rails [09:47] have to convince my boss [09:48] <\sh> java is the real hackers language...just like .net crap *rotfl* [09:48] ajmitch: sudo pbuilder build evolution-sharp-0.6.99+0.7-0ubuntu1.dsc [09:48] gross [09:49] I like C++ [09:50] <\sh> burn buildd burn === Amaranth [travis@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:50] i do like tcl, when its not horribly obfusticated and poor [09:50] if tseng can forgive me... I hate tcl [09:50] :) [09:51] what about it? [09:51] everyone seems to hate it [09:51] i just hate the coder behind me [09:51] the syntax, is not intuitive [09:51] i write it in sort of C style [09:52] foreach host $hosts { [09:52] ... [09:52] } [09:52] I like that seems perl :) what do you think about perl ? [09:52] it is kind of odd when you reference variables w/ w/o $ [09:52] most perl ive seen is pretty obfusticated [09:53] if i had to write it I would probably be a little more explicit and clean C style [09:53] might not be so bad [09:53] it's quite ok, I like it. I'd like to learn more python, I love OOP [09:53] it's gotta be really cool === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-96-139-61.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:54] hm i dont like the indenting logic bit [09:54] i like my {} [09:55] with proper indenting of course [09:55] that's true [09:55] spaces or tabs ? :D [09:55] tabs [09:55] are there tcl/gtk2 bindings? ;) [09:55] tseng: when you've done some python code you will like the indenting stuff ;) [09:55] tabstop=4 [09:56] I use tabstop=2 [09:56] SloMoSnail: ill learn python exactly when i have to [09:56] siretart: yes [09:56] tseng: btw... did you have a look at nemerle? what's your opinion regarding that language? :) [09:57] SloMoSnail: i have not [09:57] SloMoSnail: but boo seems pretty slick [09:57] im not that much of an OO guy, though [09:59] hm oh. nemerle is like proceedural c#? [09:59] <\sh> ok...last lib I can do for today...yehia [10:00] tseng: nope... it's really weird ;) you can code exactly like in c# (ok, syntax is a bit different) and you can code some pieces functional ;) [10:01] you can do functional with python too [10:02] herve: please show me some examples :) [10:05] map, apply, filter, list comphrensions, generator expressions, iterators, collections... [10:05] of course it's not a dedicated functional language [10:05] lambda [10:05] lambda too [10:07] map, filter, and lambda are getting the ax in Python 3 [10:07] probably apply too [10:07] the ax? [10:07] will no longer exist [10:07] being removed from the language [10:08] they get faster and more memory efficient replacements [10:08] ah ok... [10:08] because they're annoying [10:08] iterators and generators are powerful but simple concepts [10:09] http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=98196 [10:09] ah, iterators and generators rock [10:09] filter(), reduce(), map(), etc just confuse [10:09] I never remember the syntax :-) [10:10] Amaranth, Python 3 != Python 3000 [10:10] whatever [10:10] it's wishlist thing [10:10] but they'll be cut ASAP, i'm sure of that :) [10:11] sure thing [10:12] some of these things are already happening or have happened [10:12] in PEP3000, i mean [10:12] "Remove distinction between int and long types" [10:13] yes, Python 3000 are all the ideas for the future of Python [10:13] not all make it [10:15] I'm aware. [10:15] Pretty sure reduce, map, filter, and lambda are all toast though. :) [10:15] I won't miss them [10:15] Not many will. [10:16] <\sh> does anybody have a clue about yehia? [10:16] A lispy guy I know was bragging to me about how all languages were moving to lisp, even my "precious Python". I showed that to him, he now hates Python religiously. [10:22] here comes a new beagle [10:24] hm no excitement [10:24] i want to hear from you amd64 guys, thumbs up / thumbs down [10:24] tseng: hehe, i don't use beagle as i always know where my stuff is :) === bddebian puts \sh "Hero of the Day" plaque on his wall [10:25] that song sucked [10:26] Metallica r0x j00 d00d [10:26] they did [10:26] Heh [10:26] in 1984 [10:26] not in 1994 [10:26] tseng: yes... long long time ago ;) [10:26] i still have and justice for all, ride the lightning, master of puppets [10:26] <\sh> bddebian: for what? [10:26] the good stuffs [10:27] \sh: I dunno, that's what SloMoSnail said :-) [10:27] <\sh> gnarf [10:27] tseng: Yeah, Fade To Black rocked [10:27] bddebian: for openvrml [10:27] i can play most of that song [10:27] Nice [10:27] the hetfield bits [10:27] its really fun [10:27] \sh: Any time to look at octave yet? [10:27] <\sh> bddebian: hahahaa... [10:27] What happed to libsigc++ did someone upload it? [10:27] <\sh> just now [10:28] <\sh> i should have... [10:28] <\sh> i'm not sure [10:28] <\sh> too many uploads [10:28] Heh [10:28] <\sh> Accepted libsigc++ 1.0.4-9ubuntu1 (source) [10:28] <\sh> * Resynchronise with Debian. * Sponsord for Barry DeFreese (Closes: Ubuntu #12482) [10:28] <\sh> yes [10:28] Hmm === bddebian ++ ;-P [10:31] <\sh> working on yehia right now...to get this cxx stuff from his ass [10:32] <\sh> downloading octave2.1 [10:33] \sh: Anything I can do to help on the cxx stuff? (Not that I know C++) [10:33] <\sh> no.I'm just finished now === mpathy [~markus@p54A18397.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Verlassend"] [10:34] Oh OK, sorry [10:34] Sheesh, I think peacock needs just a few more build-deps [10:35] If the only thing missing from a Dropped Debian patch is an updated standards version, is it worth a diff? [10:36] <\sh> bddebian: I'm just uploading octave...please check the buildlogs [10:37] <\sh> damn [10:38] <\sh> bddebian: please check your inbox for a mail from katie pls [10:38] \sh: Nothing yet [10:38] <\sh> bddebian: will come..or is your mail not whitelisted? [10:39] I don't know about "katie" but I have been getting mails from bugzilla [10:39] katie is the ubuntu upload manager [10:40] Ah [10:40] How would I be in there? Just from being the bugzilla contact? [10:40] Or from the changelog? [10:41] \sh: BTW, did you test it to make sure I didn't fsck it up? ;-) [10:43] tseng: Is my noise ratio too high again? [10:43] no [10:43] its quickly decreasing :) [10:43] welcome aboard [10:43] OK thanks. Let me know if I get to loud again. (Seriously) [10:44] if you don't know if your address is whitelisted, then it most likely isn't [10:44] someone uploaded it for him i thought [10:44] like you used to do to my sources [10:44] pre-keysigning [10:45] ajmitch: I've heard of blacklisted and rbl but wtf is whitelisted? [10:45] bddebian: no one can upload to ubuntu until you are whitelisted [10:45] bddebian: opposite of blacklist [10:45] Oh, I'm not uploading. I'm just one of your slaves :-) [10:46] yes. [10:48] <\sh> error: invalid use of void expression [10:48] <\sh> argl [10:48] <\sh> what was the fix for it...*think* [10:48] night all [10:48] \sh: hitting the author with K&R? [10:50] <\sh> tseng: the author is crap...last mail from 2004 [10:50] <\sh> one [10:50] heh === tseng dinner [10:56] bddebian: are you searching for some work? :) i need a wavpack package but i even can't compile it by hand as the sources seem to be broken ;) [11:01] slomo: Is it on the buglist? [11:02] nope... there is currently no package [11:02] <\sh> hmmm.... [11:02] <\sh> what is the best fix for invalid use of void expression? [11:03] \sh: depends on the actual code ;) paste it somewhere [11:03] Well what good is that then? Aren't we supposed to be concentrating on MOTUToMerge? :-) [11:03] \sh: int ;-P [11:04] bddebian: i'm currently working on gstreamer-plugins-multiverse... and a wavpack plugin would be nice ;) but i've solved the problem :) [11:04] <\sh> void erase(iterator it) { G_Node(g_node_unlink(it.node)); } [11:04] <\sh> void erase(iterator start, iterator end) { [11:04] <\sh> for (iterator it = start; it != end; ++it) [11:04] <\sh> G_Node(g_node_unlink(it.node)); [11:04] <\sh> } [11:04] bddebian: tomorrow i'll work further on MOTUToMerge [11:05] SloMoSnail: Then what do you need me for? :-) [11:07] <\sh> doesn't matter... [11:07] bddebian: hmm... don't know ;) do you want to package it? :) [11:08] SloMoSnail: I thought you said you just fixed it? === bddebian is lost again [11:08] bddebian: yes it compiles now... but there currently is no package so i have to create one ;) [11:09] Ahhh [11:11] <\sh> so if somebody wants some fun tonight: apt-get source yehia...rename it and compile .) infos about cxx transition is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyToolchainTransition [11:14] SloMoSnail: I'm not sure if I am the person to package something from source or not. :-) === SloMo_ [~slomo@p5487C289.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:15] <\sh> ok...time for me to hit my bed [11:15] <\sh> for today it's enough [11:15] gn8 \sh :) [11:15] \sh: Good work man. :-) And gnight [11:15] Oh, and thanks! [11:15] <\sh> bddebian: octave2.1 uploaded [11:16] <\sh> check the buildlogs for any problems... [11:16] \sh: Awesome, thanks === bddebian doesn't know how to check buildlogs for Ubuntu but will find out [11:16] <\sh> http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/ [11:17] <\sh> and check for octave2.1 ;) [11:17] Ahh, thanks again :-) [11:17] <\sh> if it's "success" and "green", for all archs: everything is ok...if one or many are red...fix [11:18] :'-( [11:18] <\sh> what? [11:18] Just kidding around. Ignore me and go to bed. :-) [11:20] <\sh> just closed another bug [11:21] <\sh> ok...g'night everybody...cu tomorrow === maradong [~bhentges@vodsl-576.vo.lu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:26] bddebian: you only learn by trying ;) [11:27] SloMo_: Amen :-) === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-96-139-61.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:30] Hmm, did \sh upload slmon too? === slomo [~slomo@p5487C289.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:33] SloMo_: I think you need a few more nick aliases ;-) [11:35] yay for trolls [11:35] "Please quit being such a traitor. The whole Linux community can live w/o these apps you just mentioned." [11:35] Who's a troll? [11:35] when i was talking about why mono was good [11:35] oh, some guide on the forums who thinks M$ must die!!!!111one!! [11:35] omg [11:35] :P [11:35] Ah, just punch them in the throat :-) [11:36] err, guy [11:36] i can't talk [11:36] type [11:36] fuck [11:48] Amaranth: Such language. :-)