[02:10] <bddebian> \sh_away: I'm heading out for a while but if you come around, octave builds fine in a pbuilder if you rip out the gcc4 patch.
[02:36] <tseng> ajmitch: have an idea how to reinstall conf files that I removed?
[02:36] <tseng> ajmitch: --force-confmiss is no help
[02:36] <tseng> --force-all even
[02:39] <ajmitch> that's what mdz suggested.. but it was a dpkg option iirc
[02:39] <ajmitch> let me look it up
[02:40] <tseng> that is dpkg
[02:40] <ajmitch> apt-get --reinstall -o dpkg::options::=--force-confmiss <package>
[02:40] <ajmitch> with an install thrown in there
[02:40] <ajmitch> ok..
[02:40] <tseng> i did dpkg -i --force-all
[02:40] <ajmitch> what package is it?
[02:41] <tseng> krb5-admin-server
[02:41] <ajmitch> just some conf files missing/
[02:41] <ajmitch> ?
[02:41] <tseng> yes
[02:41] <tseng> well, it might actually be /var
[02:41] <ajmitch> otherwise I'd suggest purge & reinstall
[02:41] <tseng> done that too
[02:41] <ajmitch> damn
[02:42] <ajmitch> another resort is install in chroot, copy conffiles from there
[02:42] <ajmitch> but that's jst getting ugly
[02:42] <tseng> Starting Kerberos Administration Servers: kadmind: No such file or directory while initializing, aborting
[02:43] <tseng> open("/var/lib/krb5kdc/principal", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[02:43] <tseng> ah
[02:43] <tseng> i know how to create that I think
[02:43] <tseng> done
[02:43] <ajmitch> pre/postinst wasn't working properly?
[02:44] <tseng> well post tries to start the server
[02:44] <tseng> but no domain setup
[02:44] <tseng> on the first install it just opens a debconf window and tells you to make one
[02:45] <tseng> fixed in any case
[02:45] <tseng> strace++
[02:45] <ajmitch> ah
[03:15] <tseng> ajmitch: rebuilding blam here fixed the symbol problem
[03:15] <tseng> ajmitch: i just uploaded a bump, we'll see what happens
[03:17] <ajmitch> rebuilding didn't fix it for me
[03:17] <ajmitch> because I consistently got the warning about S_ISSOCK
[03:18] <tseng> well i loaded up blam no problem
[03:18] <tseng> after rebuild
[03:18] <tseng> before it just crashed
[03:18] <tseng> hm inotify broke
[03:18] <tseng> in new kernel
[03:19] <tseng> or similar
[03:19] <ajmitch> I didn't build in pbuilder, which could have influenced it
[03:19] <tseng> i didnt either
[03:19] <tseng> i was feeling lazy
[03:19] <ajmitch> we'll find out soon then
[03:19] <ajmitch> blam probably needs updated for MONO_SHARED_DIR anyway
[03:20] <tseng> i thought i did that
[03:20] <ajmitch> I didn't check :)
[03:20] <tseng> i did not
[03:20] <tseng> what a lazy git
[03:23] <tseng> i actually shouldve merged new debian version
[04:10] <ajmitch> looks like we've done a bit of c++ transitioning where it wasn't needed, according to debian-devel
[04:10] <ajmitch> libs implemented in C++ that export a C ABI
[04:23] <bddebian> Hey ajmitch did you send up that patch?
[04:29] <ajmitch> bddebian: sorry, which patch?
[04:31] <bddebian> ajmitch: The class issue you helped me with the other night
[04:31] <ajmitch> ah, I thought you were working on that :)
[04:31] <ajmitch> since it was just a dpatch-edit-patch, add one line
[04:32] <bddebian> I can't even remember which package.. :-)
[04:33] <ajmitch> licq
[04:33] <bddebian> And of course everything I have been doing has been wrong.. :'-(
[04:34] <ajmitch> uh, why do you say that?
[04:35] <bddebian> Because I looked at over 10 packages in MOTUToMerge and was using source from the archive not from MOM.. :'-(
[04:36] <bddebian> I thought I asked tseng that but maybe I didn't phrase the question properly.
[05:01] <bddebian> Jesus octave takes far too long to build
[05:20] <bddebian> :-)
[05:20] <tritium> just messing with you, bddebian ;)
[05:21] <bddebian> I know man :-)
[07:01] <bddebian> \sh_away: I'm heading for bed.  I put a new patch up for octave.  If you get a sec, could you check it out for me?  Thanks.  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12413
[10:12] <zanaga> hmmh.. should i file a bug against qemu to drop dependencies for proll and openhackware (which aren't in universe atm) or just bug someone to get them in to universe?
[10:12] <zanaga> qemu works just fine without them.
[10:12] <zanaga> and neither of them build out of the box on breezy
[10:23] <ivan_> can anybody tell where can I find a universes repository?
[10:24] <\sh> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[10:24] <ivan_> thanks
[10:25] <\sh> ivan_: u need the sources.list?
[10:25] <ivan_> ya if its ok with you
[10:25] <\sh> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu main restricted universe multiverse
[10:25] <ivan_> thanks
[10:30] <ivan_> \sh: there seem to be an error, is it because i'm using ppc?
[10:31] <\sh> argl
[10:31] <\sh> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[10:31] <\sh> i missed the release
[10:31] <\sh> too early in the morning sorry
[10:32] <ivan_> ok thanks
[10:58] <siretart> zanaga: do you think you could provide a debdiff with changes needed for the current qemu package in breezy?
[10:58] <zanaga> siretart: sure
[10:58] <siretart> zanaga: if yes, send me the debdiff, I'll happily review it
[10:58] <ajmitch> hi siretart, *
[10:58] <siretart> huhu ajmitch
[10:59] <\sh> ah motu is waking up ,-)
[10:59] <zanaga> but it's just 2 lines, moving proll and openhackware from dependency to suggests (or recommends) no other changes
[10:59] <siretart> hi \sh :)
[10:59] <siretart> zanaga: ah. i see.
[10:59] <siretart> zanaga: why do you think the debian qemu maintainers have them in depends?
[11:00] <\sh> fixing kwave first..and then I have to check where this bloody libXcursor.la is coming from
[11:00] <ajmitch> \sh!
[11:01] <zanaga> siretart: as far as i can see openhackware is for PPC emulation, it provides a bios for full PPC emulation. proll is javastation PROM, so i would guess that is a bios for javastation emulation
[11:01] <zanaga> bochsbios provides support for x86, which we already have.
[11:01] <siretart> hm. why aren't they in ubuntu, then?
[11:02] <ajmitch> license issues?
[11:02] <zanaga> as far as i can see openhackware fails to buils.
[11:02] <ajmitch> nah, shouldn't be...
[11:02] <zanaga> same goes for proll
[11:02] <zanaga> build even
[11:02] <siretart> zanaga: did these dependencies were added with the latest merge, and I didn't notice?
[11:02] <zanaga> yup
[11:02] <zanaga> i didn't notice them either before
[11:03] <siretart> damn
[11:03] <zanaga> openhackware fails to build due to an invalid flag for gcc
[11:03] <siretart> then I'd suggest that try to get proll and openhackware built and included into universe
[11:04] <zanaga> proll failed for some other reason
[11:04] <siretart> the problem is, that I'm way too busy to do that right now
[11:04] <siretart> :(
[11:04] <zanaga> does pbuilder leave build logs somewhere?
[11:04] <siretart> no, but debuild does
[11:05] <siretart> but I think you could pipe pbuilder through tee(1)
[11:06] <zanaga> too bad X is too broken atm, i can't get a pipe char atm ;)
[11:06] <ajmitch> hehe
[11:06] <ajmitch> I've heard a few people having that problem
[11:06] <siretart> zanaga: | <- here you are ;)
[11:06] <zanaga> thanks..
[11:07] <ajmitch> siretart: copy & paste might not work either :)
[11:07] <zanaga> i'm building with pbuilder now..
[11:07] <zanaga> cc -c -Wall -g -O2 -fno-builtin -fno-common -nostdinc -mregnames -DBUILD_DATE=2005-07-24 -DBUILD_TIME=09:06:58 -Isrc/ -Isrc/libc/include -I/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.2//include -Isrc/dev -Isrc/dev/block -Isrc/dev/char -Isrc/dev/bus -DBIOS_BASE=0x05800000 -DBIOS_SIZE=507904 -Wa,-mregnames -o .objs/vectors.o src/vectors.S
[11:07] <zanaga> cc1: error: invalid option 'regnames'
[11:07] <siretart> ajmitch: oh. damn :(
[11:07] <ajmitch> siretart: poor fabbione was having real issues with that
[11:07] <siretart> ajmitch: I can imagine
[11:07] <zanaga> gaim -> jabber -> irc, is not the best combination =)
[11:07] <ajmitch> zanaga: probably an option removed from gcc 4.0
[11:08] <zanaga> it doesn't work with gcc-2.95 which was the original build dep for it
[11:08] <siretart> zanaga: try building with gcc-3.4
[11:08] <ajmitch>        -mregnames
[11:08] <ajmitch>        -mno-regnames
[11:08] <ajmitch>            On System V.4 and embedded PowerPC systems do (do not) emit regis
[11:08] <ajmitch>            ter names in the assembly language output using symbolic forms.
[11:08] <ajmitch> hardly important.. :)
[11:08] <zanaga> dropping and trying
[11:08] <siretart> yeah
[11:08] <ajmitch> (from info gcc-3.3)
[11:09] <ajmitch> it's still in the 4.0 info pages
[11:09] <siretart> the -m flags are architecture specific
[11:10] <zanaga> lets see now
[11:10] <ajmitch> perhaps it is misdetecting the architecture
[11:10] <zanaga> neat
[11:10] <zanaga> it builds..
[11:10] <zanaga> i wonder if it works too ;)
[11:10] <ajmitch> heh
[11:10] <siretart> zanaga: you rock!
[11:10] <zanaga> hmm.. lets see if qemu can boot my PPC hoary cd
[11:12] <zanaga> no, wait.. i misread =(
[11:13] <\sh> *grmpf*
[11:13] <\sh> argl
[11:13] <\sh> i can't build kde stuff again
[11:13] <\sh> * Stop installing libXcursor.la.
[11:13] <\sh> and all .la from kde are referencing libXcursor.la
[11:14] <\sh> *banghisheadonthedesk*
[11:14] <ajmitch> \sh: evil
[11:14] <siretart> \sh: be careful, this could hurt. much
[11:14] <\sh> ajmitch: yes...and I'm looking for an issue in the source
[11:15] <ajmitch> most likely in the libtool abyss
[11:15] <\sh> I should prio all mails from daniels...bold, red, blink
[11:15] <\sh> yeah...cd /usr/lib/kde3/ ; grep libXcursor.la * > messed
[11:19] <zanaga> curses..
[11:19] <zanaga> the instruction is required
[12:42] <\sh> hmmm...3 pbuilder on a 1.6GHz machine is not fast enough *grrr*
[12:42] <ajmitch> heh
[12:42] <\sh> cleaning the merge list
[12:42] <ajmitch> plus a few other checks :)
[12:43] <\sh> kwave , pycaml, rpy
[12:43] <\sh> phew
[12:52] <slomo> \sh: why have you linked the buildlogs of mol in the bugreport?
[12:52] <\sh> slomo: to show that it build
[12:53] <slomo> ah ok ;)
[12:54] <\sh> hmmm...it looks like that I'm trying to let the buildds burn ,-)
[12:58] <slomo> \sh: do you know why bogofilter is built and fails over and over again on the buildds?
[12:59] <\sh> slomo: no...:(
[01:02] <ajmitch> missing tdb-dev
[01:04] <slomo> ajmitch: yes but why is the building retried endlessly?
[01:05] <ajmitch> because it'll sit there & retry forever
[01:05] <ajmitch> yes it's annoying :)
[01:06] <ajmitch> I don't know why it's not in dep-wait
[01:08] <\sh> damn...now I have to patch everything by myself
[01:08] <ajmitch> \sh: why?
[01:08] <\sh> ajmitch: rezound...I found a patch for some issues with gcc4 and the patch is not applying correctly :(
[01:09] <ajmitch> ah
[01:09] <ajmitch> I thought you meant that you had to do the whole MOM merging by yourself :)
[01:13] <\sh> nono ,-)
[01:14] <\sh> or I hope not ,-)
[01:14] <tseng> ajmitch: blam wfm
[01:15] <ajmitch> tseng: yeah, I see it compiled cleanly, thanks
[01:26] <slomo> \sh: have you already tested the kwave patch?
[01:29] <\sh> slomo: it's building..and applying..but I have some debian/rules problems :(
[01:29] <\sh> just now I'm patching rezound :(
[01:30] <slomo> \sh: yeah it's building... but does it really work? ;) don't send this out in the wild before running it please ;)
[01:32] <\sh> slomo: I don't have any clue about what I'm using it for ,-)
[01:32] <\sh> but I will test it :)
[01:33] <slomo> \sh: wonderful ;) i even don't know what kwave is good for =) i think you can somehow open a flac file and look somewhere at the tags... and the vendor field is the interesting... should be something like "Encoded by...."
[01:34] <\sh> slomo: let's have a look..I'm installing it now ;)
[01:36] <\sh> slomo: works :)
[01:36] <\sh> actually no segfault...but I don't have any flac file with vendor settings[
[01:37] <slomo> every flac file has one... isn't there somewhere something like "Encoded by:"?
[01:38] <ajmitch> hmm, pbuilder & mini-dinstall won't work well
[01:38] <slomo> the vendor field contains the name of the encoder
[01:38] <ajmitch> since I won't usually upload an orig.tar.gz with it
[01:38] <\sh> you load a flac-file and then you have the file infos
[01:39] <slomo> ok... well it doesn't segfault so it seems to work... weird flac api ;)
[01:42] <\sh> now lets hope that it compiles for the other archs
[01:49] <\sh> now it goes for rezound
[01:51] <\sh> ok..patch applied correctly
[01:53] <ogra> \sh, www.grawert.net/mediawiki_1.4.7-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[01:53] <ogra> ;)
[01:53] <ogra> no configuration yet....
[01:53] <tseng> hm awesome @ mediawiki
[01:54] <ogra> yes, but there is still some way to go for the package to get rid of commandline config...
[01:55] <\sh> damn another bug
[01:55] <ogra> you still have to chmod the config dir... etc...
[01:56] <slomo> wahh... X11/XKBlib.h includes X11/extensions/XKBstr.h which is not in libx11-dev but somewhere else ;)
[01:57] <herve> morning
[01:58] <\sh> slomo: apt-file is your friend ,-)
[02:00] <slomo> \sh: but this only searches in installed packages?
[02:01] <\sh> no
[02:01] <\sh> sudo apt-get install apt-file curl
[02:01] <\sh> sudo apt-file update
[02:01] <slomo> hm ok, thanks :) a new candidate for my toolbox ;)
[02:02] <\sh> ok..another patch generated
[02:02] <\sh> rebuilding rezound
[02:03] <\sh> and it looks like we have to rebuild some stuff from kde main :( libXcursor.la is not installed anymore ,-)
[02:15] <slomo> hmm... why has /usr/X11R6/include disappeared?
[02:16] <\sh> it should be /usr/include/X11 now or something similar
[02:16] <herve> I think /usr/X11R6 is the one disappearing
[02:16] <herve> and not only because X11R7 is close :-)
[02:17] <\sh> lol
[02:17] <slomo> hehe ok :) on what version of X is the breezy version based? 7.0pre or 6.9pre?
[02:18] <ajmitch> yay, it works
[02:20] <herve> you have no excuse, the rewrite rule doc is quite good :-)
[02:20] <\sh> what the helll
[02:20] <TheMagus> Is there anyone around who can answer some questions regarding filing bugs in malone?
[02:20] <\sh> i386,amd64,ia64 successfull, ppc failed
[02:21] <\sh>  gcc -pipe -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/include/gc -O2 -DUSE_GC=1 -Istage2 -Ilib -I- -c stage2/RealMath.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/RealMath.o
[02:21] <\sh> cc1: note: obsolete option -I- used, please use -iquote instead
[02:21] <herve> I guess malone changed a lot last time I used it
[02:21] <ogra> TheMagus, just ask and see
[02:21] <herve> which was maybe two month ago
[02:21] <TheMagus> well, how am I supposed to file them in order for them to be addressed?
[02:21] <herve> \sh, gcc 4 or 3.4?
[02:22] <herve> a bug is meant to be addressed, no? :-)
[02:22] <TheMagus> I filed a bug (469) that hasn't been addressed for months... all that's needed is a re-import of the Debian package
[02:23] <ogra> ajmitch, btw, did you care for pymad ?
[02:23] <herve> ho it's more of a human issue than a malone issue
[02:23] <TheMagus> herve, so what can I do to fix it?
[02:24] <ogra> become a MOTU ? ;)
[02:24] <ogra> poke us even harder ? :)
[02:24] <ogra> or wait :)
[02:24] <herve> I'm consufre, fix the bug or the package?
[02:24] <TheMagus> I have a few of those bugs... they're reported in Malone, I also reported them in Debian, they're fixed in Debian, but still not in Breezy
[02:24] <herve> I can't even find what package it is on the malone page
[02:24] <TheMagus> ogre, who do I poke? where do I find a stick long enough?
[02:25] <ogra> terrex, please dont do that
[02:25] <TheMagus> herve, the package is sl-modem
[02:25] <herve> seriously, guys
[02:26] <ogra> TheMagus, you just fond it in here :) but i also saw your mail.. i'll get imported, dont worry... additionally we have bugday every wednesday ...
[02:26] <herve> malone got a clean interface
[02:26] <herve> so clean you can't even find the package!
[02:26] <ogra> s/i'll/it'll
[02:26] <comadreja> hello all :) nice to be with again
[02:26] <herve> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1109
[02:26] <comadreja> \sh, I saw your upload
[02:27] <herve> tell me I'm not blind and the word sl-modem is not written on this page
[02:27] <ogra> herve, yes
[02:27] <TheMagus> ogra, nice
[02:28] <herve> I'm blind? :-)
[02:28] <TheMagus> herve, I can see the string "sl-modem" on my page
[02:28] <ogra> TheMagus, in 1109 ?
[02:28] <TheMagus> ogra, no, not 1109, 469... I did mention I filed a few bugs, right?
[02:29] <herve> even so, there's no package information on this page
[02:29] <ogra> TheMagus, yes, i was wondering why herve searched for sl-modem in there
[02:29] <\sh> comadreja: good :)
[02:29] <comadreja> \sh: the other one... is there a problem with it ?
[02:29] <herve> ogra, I search for a package name
[02:29] <ogra> gringotts
[02:29] <TheMagus> herve, 469 is on sl-modem... 1109 is on gringotts...
[02:29] <ogra> its written there
[02:30] <TheMagus> ogra, herve, 1177 is on gnucash
[02:30] <herve> Ubuntu gringotts
[02:30] <herve> I thought it was some silly name indicating the bug is in ubuntu
[02:30] <ogra> yeah
[02:31] <ogra> herve, nope, thas right... gringotts could have the same bug in gentoo or redhat... so this prefix is required
[02:31] <TheMagus> ogra, another question on Malone... where do my bug reports go? I mean is there a mail sent somewhere or something?
[02:31] <herve> sure but the column is named "upstream / distro"
[02:31] <herve> not "distro / package"
[02:32] <ogra> TheMagus, mail and #ubuntu-bug ... we have a reporting bot :)
[02:32] <ogra> #ubuntu-bugs sorry
[02:32] <herve> TheMagus, gringotts is fixed in Debian?
[02:32] <ogra> herve, bug-upstream == distro bugtracker
[02:33] <TheMagus> herve, yes it is... the bug in Debian is 316043 (as mentioned in the Malone bug report :-)
[02:33] <ogra> so upstream for the bug would be redhat/gringotts for example
[02:34] <TheMagus> ogra, ah, nice to know they aren't totally lost :-) how many bugs are unresolved at the moment?
[02:34] <ogra> no idea... malone is still not widely used by us... we're starting slowly to do more in there....
[02:35] <TheMagus> oh, ok, that also explains some things
[02:35] <ogra> its stabilizin and will be v1.0 very soon..
[02:35] <TheMagus> I was starting to get really fed up with it, and the apparent inactivity on closing bugs in it
[02:35] <TheMagus> this means I won't give up
[02:36] <slomo> \sh: kwave haven't built on amd64 :(
[02:36] <ogra> but currently we have more important bugs to solve, we have a lot of ongoing transitions that should have been completed a while ago... we're lacking manpower... so the best to get your bugs closed is to help out in here ;)
[02:36] <herve> gringotts got important fixes in Debian
[02:36] <herve> we should get the latest package
[02:36] <ogra> i.e. see topic ;)
[02:37] <ogra> hmm, malone doesnt show the version...
[02:37] <TheMagus> ogra, yes... I've seen some mentions of C++ ransitions and stuff on the dev mailing list
[02:37] <ogra> if its a ubuntuX package it would be covered by the merge stuff
[02:39] <ogra> TheMagus, yes and we have some 200 open merge bugs that should have been solved on the 21st, X transition to modularization (which causes a lot of pain for us all) and the newest is a complete slang1/2 transition
[02:39] <TheMagus> ogra, ah, sounds painful indeed...
[02:39] <ogra> yep
[02:40] <TheMagus> if BT get their arse into gear and actually turns on ADSL in the area where we live I might try to chip in a bit
[02:40] <herve> TheMagus, you run breezy?
[02:41] <ajmitch> ogra: yes, done pymad, just haven't uploaded
[02:41] <TheMagus> herve, no, not yet... I just can't keep a Breezy system up-to-date over a modem connection
[02:41] <ogra> ajmitch, ok, thanks a lot :)
[02:41] <herve> no, nothing
[02:42] <herve> breezy-changes say we have 1.2.1-4
[02:42] <herve> but I have 1.2.8+1.2.9pre1-5
[02:42] <herve> so our version got the fix
[02:42] <ajmitch> TheMagus: it just takes patience :)
[02:42] <TheMagus> herve, good... then that Malone bug (1109) can be closed
[02:43] <TheMagus> ajmitch, I don't have the time... I work full time and do this only weekends and evenings... plus I'm married
[02:43] <herve> once I get how to close a bug :-)
[02:43] <\sh> yay...4 patches in a row...that's too much for me today...and kwave failed on amd64
[02:43] <ajmitch> TheMagus: ah, that is a little harder..
[02:43] <herve> ajmitch is married too, no? :-)
[02:43] <ajmitch> herve: pfft, no
[02:43] <ogra> heh
[02:43] <herve> hehe
[02:44] <TheMagus> herve, I guess malone is about as intuitive for bug-closers as it is for bug-reporters ;)
[02:44] <slomo> \sh: and there isn't a buildlog for kwave...
[02:44] <TheMagus> ajmitch, yes... I need a faster connection to keep up
[02:45] <ogra> slomo, its not copied yet... wait some minutes
[02:45] <\sh> slomo: not now
[02:45] <\sh> but I don't understand oo2c ppc build
[02:45] <\sh> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/o/oo2c/1.5.9-4ubuntu1/
[02:46] <\sh> and I hope rezound is building now, after I patched the holy crap out of it
[02:46] <TheMagus> well, I'm off... thanks ogra and herve... nice to meet you all... hopefully I'll be able to be here a bit more after Wednesday (official cut-over date for ADSL here)
[02:47] <herve> yoohoo \o/
[02:47] <ogra> TheMagus, we appreciate every helping hand even if its only on weekends for some hours ;)
[02:47] <ajmitch> TheMagus: see you round :)
[02:47] <ogra> yeah
[02:47] <herve> at least, I think I closed the bug
[02:47] <ogra> you think ??
[02:48] <herve> It's marked "fixed", nothing more
[02:49] <ajmitch> herve: malone is confusing you as well? ;)
[02:49] <herve> did I tell such a thing? :-)
[02:49] <\sh> yay...rezound is crap
[02:49] <TheMagus> ogra, I should be able to do that... no problem... I'll be back here asking for MOTU status ASAP
[02:49] <tseng> if you are confused by something in malone
[02:49] <tseng> you need to file abug with the use case
[02:50] <\sh> yahooo....i finally made it...
[02:50] <ogra> TheMagus, yay... i'm waiting for you ;)
[02:50] <tseng> or it will stay broken
[02:50] <herve> yes, making my way to it
[02:50] <TheMagus> herve, it shows up as 'fixed', that's good enough for me
[02:50] <TheMagus> ogra, you live in here?
[02:50] <ogra> half way, yes...
[02:50] <ogra> *g*
[02:51] <TheMagus> :)
[02:51] <TheMagus> well, see you in here soon again!
[02:53] <ajmitch> ogra: uploaded pymad
[02:53] <ajmitch> hopefully I didn't break it too badly ;)
[02:53] <ogra> ajmitch, we'll see :) close the bug if it works ;)
[02:54] <ajmitch> works for me(tm)
[02:54] <ajmitch> I tested the upgrade a couple of times
[02:55] <herve> ok, my bugs are already reported
[02:55] <herve> 168, let's give them a rest :-)
[02:56] <herve> see you around
[02:56] <slomo> \sh: the kwave-amd64 problem lies upstream i think... there seems to be some assembler stuff in it
[02:57] <zyga> who was packaging gnomebaker for amd64 recently?
[02:57] <\sh> slomo: *grrrrr*
[02:58] <\sh> finally I fixed rezound
[02:58] <\sh> and reported all patches to debian as well
[03:01] <\sh> hmm...ppc is also 64bit arch, right?
[03:01] <slomo> \sh: nope... normal ppc is 32bit but ppc64 also exists
[03:02] <\sh> so what arch we're building ppc for? 32 or 64?
[03:02] <slomo> 32
[03:02] <\sh> grrrr...
[03:03] <slomo> why?
[03:03] <comadreja> can a package have two maintainers ? the merged version has two, is that a problem ?
[03:04] <\sh> slomo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/o/oo2c/1.5.9-4ubuntu1/oo2c_1.5.9-4ubuntu1_20050724-1250-powerpc-failed.gz
[03:05] <slomo> \sh: saw that... where is NaN (not a number?!) defined?
[03:05] <comadreja> slomo NaN is afaik a division by 0
[03:06] <comadreja> slomo means Not a Number
[03:06] <slomo> comadreja: yeah but where is it defined? math.h? hmm *grepping*
[03:06] <\sh> slomo: I think it's something else..because of this -I-
[03:07] <slomo> \sh: well that will be in the x86 buildlog as well i think...
[03:08] <\sh> yeah
[03:08] <\sh>  but I fix this as well
[03:08] <\sh> so lets check for NaN
[03:08] <slomo> i've grepped /usr/include and it's defined nowhere there...
[03:09] <comadreja> afaik it's a compiler thing, not defined anywhere, so it has to be defined in the program itself
[03:10] <zyga> NaN does not seem like a compiler thing, not i C at least
[03:11] <\sh> it's inside the source
[03:11] <\sh> "NaN' for illegal numbers.
[03:11] <\sh> IF Low.IsNaN(real) THEN COPY("NaN", str); RETURN END;
[03:11] <zyga> that looks like some very crappy language
[03:11] <slomo> \sh: hm, and why can't it be found by gcc?
[03:12] <slomo> \sh: wtf... what's that language? ;)
[03:12] <zyga> gnu basic ;-) ?
[03:12] <\sh> slomo: i don't have a clue...but it's only occuring on ppc
[03:12] <slomo> hm i'll test it later on ppc :)
[03:13] <\sh> oberon
[03:13] <\sh> oberon2
[03:13] <\sh> I like wirth
[03:13] <slomo> hm
[03:20] <\sh> hmmm
[03:22] <\sh> i would like to have 2.1.8 in the tree...cause this is maintained...1.5.9 is from 2002 *ugh*
[03:22] <slomo> is 2.1.8 in debian?
[03:23] <\sh> no...1.5.9 is latest in debian
[03:23] <Amaranth> anything depend on it?
[03:24] <Amaranth> well, i suppose you could have both..
[03:24] <tseng> it depends on itselfg
[03:24] <tseng> thats about it
[03:24] <\sh> hmmm...libooc-xml
[03:24] <\sh> hmmm...libooc-x11
[03:24] <\sh> hmmm...libooc-vo
[03:24] <tseng> im guessing thats the same source
[03:25] <\sh> no
[03:26] <slomo> hmm, i'll take the xfce4 stuff... or is anybody already working on it?
[03:28] <ogra> slomo, crimsun and jani are the xfce4 team...
[03:28] <ogra> we dont use debians xfce4
[03:28] <slomo> ah ok... so close these bugs?
[03:29] <ogra> slomo, nope, but poke _them_ to do that and get the sync done... its UVF and they should already work on it... but i havent seen any sign they do so....
[03:30] <slomo> ogra: ok
[03:31] <slomo> crimsun is away over the weekend ;)
[03:33] <\sh> slomo: i have a patch for amd64
[03:33] <slomo> \sh: for kwave?
[03:33] <\sh> jepp
[03:34] <slomo> cool :)
[03:36] <\sh> hmmm..
[03:36] <\sh> applied but this is complaint by amd64
[03:36] <\sh> *strange*
[03:42] <\sh> lets revert the patch they applied and check
[03:42] <ajmitch> looks like I'll be doing all-night coding again :)
[03:43] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: sad, since its a nice sunday night..hehe
[03:43] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: yeah, but I need this done by tomorrow morning :)
[03:43] <ajmitch> s/tomorrow/this/
[03:43] <ajmitch> :)
[03:49] <ogra> phew, dholbachs gparted packge get heavy critics in the utnubu ML
[03:50] <tseng> :/
[03:57] <ivoks> herve: ping
[03:58] <herve> yo ivoks
[03:58] <herve> really nice photographs
[03:58] <tseng> ogra: is there an archive of that?
[03:58] <ivoks> thanks
[03:58] <tseng> ogra: i proabbly have a few things on their list
[03:59] <ogra> tseng, dunno, i just got my first mail from the list and it was a gparted bashing one .... i havent looked for an archive yet
[03:59] <tseng> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/utnubu-discuss/
[04:02] <\sh> ok..doing another upload of kwave
[04:02] <jsgotangco> ogra: that didnt sound nice at all from the looks of the mail
[04:03] <ogra> nope
[04:04] <tseng> man joss is such a tool
[04:04] <tseng> i think ill avoid reading this for awhile
[04:11] <zyga> btw why is ubuntu spelled backwards?
[04:12] <ajmitch> zyga: because it's a debian project to get ubuntu changes back into debian
[04:13] <jsgotangco> heh utnubu is a debian project to have ubuntu changes to debian
[04:14] <\sh> holy crap
[04:14] <\sh> clean: configure *grrrr*
[04:15] <zyga> heh :)
[04:15] <zyga> makes sense :)
[04:16] <zyga> something interesting cought my eye there
[04:16] <zyga> how fed up is everyone with autotools
[04:20] <\sh> hmmm....do I get an oscar if I manage to fix the merge list? ,-)
[04:21] <ajmitch> \sh: nah, just copious amounts of beer ;)
[04:23] <\sh> my hands are paining ,-)
[04:26] <ogra> \sh, take a break, we _need_ you !
[04:26] <ogra> (or do some inverstment and get a brain interface)
[04:26] <ivoks> ogra: i'm working on backup software
[04:27] <ogra> yay
[04:27] <\sh> ogra: well...
[04:27] <ivoks> i guess it will be over for 1.9.
[04:27] <ivoks> ok, guys..
[04:27] <ivoks> see you.. back to the beach
[04:27] <\sh> ogra: I'm waiting for some packages to compile and get into the archives...I have some which are build-dep on those
[04:28] <comadreja> \sh may I help you ?
[04:28] <\sh> but it looks like, that man is beating machine
[04:28] <ogra> *sigh* i know this situation...
[04:29] <\sh> comadreja: take whatever you like...put your name in the changelog...and send me the bugs via jabber
[04:29] <comadreja> \sh but any particular package ?
[04:29] <comadreja> \sh anyone that would help you ?
[04:30] <\sh> comadreja: no...any from the merge list which is not in pending state ,-)
[04:30] <comadreja> \sh which jabber address ?
[04:30] <\sh> sh at linux-server.org
[04:31] <\sh> I'm missing my at sign...*grrr*
[04:31] <bddebian> Morning
[04:31] <ajmitch> hi bddebian
[04:31] <comadreja> hello there bddebian
[04:31] <bddebian> Hello ajmitch, comadreja
[04:32] <herve> hello bddebian
[04:32] <bddebian> Heya herve
[04:43] <ajmitch> yay, mono install bug
[04:43] <\sh> ok..showering time..brb
[04:44] <ajmitch> tseng: looks like a manpage migrated into mono-utils, without it having the right conflicts, etc
[04:44] <tseng> ajmitch: yes
[04:44] <tseng> bug me in a bit
[04:45] <ajmitch> sure
[04:47] <tseng> cvs co evolution-sharp -r0.7
[04:47] <tseng> how do i checkout a tag
[04:47] <tseng> oh
[04:48] <ajmitch> same way, iirc
[04:48] <herve> think too
[04:50] <tseng> it was -r EVOLUTION_SHARP_0_7
[04:51] <tseng> buh now that is stupid
[04:51] <tseng> beagle guys didnt bump configure check on evo sharp
[04:51] <tseng> but if you build with 0.6 it explodes horribly
[04:51] <tseng> better.. there is no 0.7 release, you have to pull the tag from cvs
[04:55] <bddebian> If I change the control file for build-deps I should bump the ubuntuX version right?
[04:56] <ajmitch> yes
[04:57] <bddebian> thx ajmitch
[05:00] <tseng> my beagle is only using 33m atm
[05:00] <tseng> we'll see if it makes anyones box fall over
[05:02] <ajmitch> let me try
[05:02] <ajmitch> I've never had beagle stay up longer than a few minutes due to mem usage
[05:03] <tseng> eh
[05:03] <tseng> you need to get evo-sharp from cvs
[05:03] <tseng> if you have time, thatd be great
[05:04] <tseng> cvs co -r EVOLUTION_SHARP_0_7 evolution-sharp
[05:04] <tseng> from gnome cvs
[05:04] <tseng> then build beagle 0.12
[05:05] <tseng> its up to 46mb res now
[05:05] <tseng> 22 shared
[05:07] <tseng> 16069 brandon   16   0  122m  62m  11m S
[05:07] <tseng> hm :/
[05:07] <tseng> but i am running EXERCISE_THE_DOG=1
[05:07] <tseng> turns off all throttling
[05:07] <bddebian> heh
[05:08] <ajmitch> planning to package evo sharp 0.7?
[05:08] <tseng> yes
[05:08] <tseng> ill have to do an epoch or something
[05:08] <ajmitch> why would you need that?
[05:08] <tseng> because there is no 0.7 tarball
[05:08] <tseng> id be rolling my own
[05:09] <ajmitch> or go for the ugly 0.6.999+0.7
[05:09] <ajmitch> or 0.7~1
[05:09] <tseng> yes
[05:09] <bddebian> Heh
[05:09] <ajmitch> either way avoids the epoch
[05:09] <tseng> is epoch bad?
[05:09] <ajmitch> it's permanent
[05:09] <tseng> oh.
[05:09] <ajmitch> so you carry it round with you for the life of the package
[05:09] <tseng> ill take the first them
[05:10] <ogra> tseng, epoch is the worst you can do
[05:10] <tseng> 0.6.99+0.7
[05:10] <tseng> i was thinking 0.6.99_epoch
[05:10] <tseng> or something like that
[05:10] <tseng> +0.7 makes sense
[05:10] <ajmitch> ah
[05:11] <tseng> oh you guys mean epoch-as-version
[05:11] <ajmitch> epoch is like 1:version
[05:11] <ogra> yep
[05:11] <tseng> i was going to tack it on the end
[05:11] <tseng> heh
[05:11] <ajmitch> that's not so bad then
[05:11] <tseng> +0.7 is cleaner
[05:11] <ajmitch> yeah
[05:11] <ajmitch> though still not very clean
[05:12] <ajmitch> but it's what you commonly see
[05:12] <ajmitch> for things like 2.0alpha
[05:12] <tseng> well im pretty happy with beagle 0.12
[05:12] <tseng> ill package today and see what amd64 guys have to say
[05:13] <tseng> ogra: i think/hope ill get an amd64 from the laptop program
[05:13] <ajmitch> great
[05:13] <ogra> tseng, did you het mail from claire ?
[05:13] <ogra> s/het/get
[05:13] <tseng> ogra: the email wasnt clear, but thats why im on it
[05:14] <ogra> tseng, great... i didnt... :/
[05:14] <tseng> hm
[05:14] <ogra> they know how busy i am :)
[05:14] <tseng> it does say "community members" :P
[05:14] <tseng> not "canonical dudes"
[05:14] <ajmitch> ah well
[05:15] <bddebian> amen
[05:15] <bddebian> :-)
[05:15] <ajmitch> quiet you
[05:15] <tseng> im not sure how to return this to claire, i have no printer/fax
[05:15] <\sh> actually...are there 3ghz laptops? ,-)
[05:15] <jsgotangco> ogra: im surprised
[05:15] <tseng> i wonder if she can take a gpg clearsign
[05:16] <bddebian> \sh: Did you happen to see my "notes" last night?
[05:16] <jsgotangco> yeah i dont have a printer either
[05:16] <\sh> tseng: snail mail
[05:16] <tseng> \sh: i could fax it before that
[05:16] <jsgotangco> i should buy one of those multifunction printers
[05:16] <\sh> bddebian: "notes"? which one
[05:16] <ogra> jsgotangco, i wouldnt have th etime... once i have istallable edubuntu CDs you wont see me anymore bcause i have to test and tweak all the time
[05:16] <tseng> if i bought a printer i could fax it at office max
[05:16] <\sh> bddebian: I don't have a backlog of IRC
[05:16] <bddebian> \sh: Ahhh
[05:16] <tseng> bye ogra :(
[05:17] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:17] <bddebian> \sh: I wondered if you could look at the octave diff I put up on the bug?
[05:17] <ogra> tseng, it wont be _this_ bad... but i'll be heavily busy
[05:17] <ajmitch> ogra: we'll  miss you
[05:18] <ogra> heh
[05:18] <ajmitch> by then, hopefully dholbach will be around to lead the MOTUs
[05:18] <\sh> bddebian: will do...let me finish the asc upload..takes a while....442kbit/s upstream + 9 MB source == slow like hell
[05:18] <ajmitch> if \sh doesn't take up that role ;)
[05:18] <ogra> i'll be back !
[05:18] <bddebian> \sh: No rush, thanks
[05:18] <\sh> ajmitch: no ways
[05:18] <bddebian> Later ogra
[05:18] <ajmitch> \sh: heh, why not?
[05:18] <ogra> \sh, ?? not ??
[05:19] <\sh> it's enough for me to have my job + night duties + packaging and fixing stuff
[05:19] <tseng> ajmitch: i still have memory free
[05:19] <ogra> \sh, we already planned 6h/day for you ...
[05:19] <tseng> ajmitch: a whoping 11mb :)
[05:19] <ogra> :)
[05:19] <\sh> we can talk about it in 1 1/2 years time, when I need to search a new job
[05:19] <ajmitch> tseng: great
[05:19] <ogra> \sh, nah, volunteering 6h/day indeed...
[05:19] <\sh> ogra: who is we, and why that? ,-)
[05:19] <ajmitch> ogra: 6h/day isn't much :)
[05:20] <ogra> ajmitch, lets raise it to 10h ?
[05:20] <ajmitch> be nice, 8 will do
[05:20] <\sh> u guys r crazy
[05:20] <\sh> when should I have sex?
[05:20] <ogra> ok, 8.5 ....
[05:21] <tseng> make it quick
[05:21] <tseng> and youll be fine.
[05:21] <ogra> lol
[05:21] <jsgotangco> man my wife is playing around with google earth and im green with envy at the moment....
[05:22] <tseng> the little bit i saw of google earth didnt look that useful
[05:22] <\sh> what does this mean? universe/sound/rezound_1: Not-For-Us [optional:] 
[05:22] <jsgotangco> tseng: lots of eye candy though
[05:23] <tseng> yes
[05:23] <tseng> bbl
[05:23] <jsgotangco> i can even see our house in chicago..
[05:25] <bddebian> OK darnit.  packagesearch build-deps libdebtags1-dev (>= 1.0.3) and as far as I can tell we only have libdebtags-dev 0.9.9
[05:27] <bddebian> Should I try it with just libdebtags-dev 0.9.9?
[05:40] <slomo> bddebian: look at what have changed between the versions and try if it builds ;)
[05:41] <jsgotangco> *yawn* good night folks
[05:41] <ajmitch> night jerome
[05:41] <ajmitch> hmm, nearly 4am here :)
[05:41] <bddebian> slomo: It depends libdebtags1-dev and we don't have it
[05:41] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: you should sleep hehe
[05:41] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: I'll sleep after work today - I think I'll leave at about lunchtime or so :)
[05:42] <slomo> bddebian: try with libdebtags-dev ;)
[05:42] <jsgotangco> alright :)
[05:42] <ajmitch> slomo: it probably won't work
[05:43] <slomo> jamessan: maybe
[05:46] <bddebian> Nope, it pukes.. :'-(
[05:46] <ajmitch> hi Arrogance
[05:47] <bddebian> So what should I mark the bug as "upstream" ??
[05:47] <Arrogance> hi aj
[05:47] <tseng> uh
[05:47] <comadreja> what ?
[05:47] <tseng> sigh
[05:47] <ajmitch> bddebian: you could always just ask that we have libdebtags1-dev in breezy :)
[05:47] <comadreja> sorry, do I have privileges for that ?!
[05:47] <ajmitch> comadreja: yes...
[05:47] <comadreja> damn
[05:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: Aye fair enough but shouldn't I tag the bug for now?
[05:48] <ajmitch> if someone has what the topic used to be, please restore it
[05:48] <comadreja> does anyone have the old topic
[05:48] <tseng> good job slomo
[05:48] <ajmitch> thanks slomo
[05:48] <comadreja> thanks :D
[05:48] <tseng> :)
[05:48] <bddebian> slomo is my hero again!! :-)
[05:48] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes, write something, whatever you need..
[05:48] <slomo> tseng: there's a new cowbell release ;) i'm packaging it atm :)
[05:49] <tseng> slomo: rock on!
[05:49] <tseng> slomo: he fixed my bug
[05:49] <tseng> or feature request rather
[05:49] <tseng> im using cvs
[05:49] <tseng> s/cvs/svn
[05:50] <\sh> if you have not enough work...come get some ,-)
[05:50] <ajmitch> \sh: can I defer it a day? :)
[05:50] <ajmitch> I've got to get this work done in the next ~5 hours ;)
[05:50] <ajmitch> and irc is far too distracting
[05:50] <\sh> ajmitch: I'm cxx trans some libs which r missing *grrr*
[05:51] <ajmitch> \sh: ?
[05:51] <\sh> some libs are not finished by the cxx trans
[05:53] <bddebian> Gotta run for a bit
[05:54] <ajmitch> \sh: fine, I'll note those that are just very broken
[05:55] <slomo> tseng: it's uploaded on revu
[05:55] <\sh> ajmitch: check ace ,-)
[05:56] <ajmitch> like libcrypto++, evil thing that it is
[05:56] <ajmitch> btw your wine upgrade broke my games ;)
[05:56] <tseng> ogra: are we allowed to upload NEW packages to universe
[05:56] <ajmitch> wb ogra
[05:56] <\sh> ajmitch: good ,-)
[05:56] <ajmitch> pff :P
[05:57] <\sh> ajmitch: actually it's not newed anymore ,-)
[05:57] <ajmitch> ?
[05:58] <\sh> ajmitch: the binaries were newed :( only god knows why
[05:58] <ajmitch> yes
[05:58] <ajmitch> and I got the new package in an upgrade
[05:59] <ajmitch> and now diablo 2 complains about directx
[05:59] <\sh> ajmitch: test them
[05:59] <\sh> those are scotties packages from winehq
[05:59] <ajmitch> I know
[05:59] <\sh> btw..he never replied to my mail
[05:59] <\sh> :(
[05:59] <tseng> hm i wonder if starcraft plays nicely full screen
[05:59] <\sh> so I have those packages now on my ass
[06:00] <tseng> i tired it a few years ago and it played slowly, and only allowed a very small window
[06:01] <ajmitch> it used to play nicely
[06:01] <ajmitch> I played it recently in a window
[06:02] <ajmitch> not as fun as diablo 2 though
[06:02] <ajmitch> evil broken source
[06:03] <tseng> anyone tried halflife on wine?
[06:03] <slomo> tseng: yes, I've tried it years ago ;) wasn't much fun but it worked...
[06:03] <tseng> too bad all my cds are at my parents house
[06:07] <tseng> holy crap, \sh is a madman
[06:07] <tseng> dholbach jr.
[06:07] <\sh> what
[06:08] <tseng> you are uploading like crazy :)
[06:08] <\sh> crap
[06:08] <tseng> no, its good
[06:08] <\sh> only getting rid of this old crap ,-)
[06:08] <ajmitch> yeah, my gmail account is straining under the load
[06:08] <\sh> and my laptop was burning this morning and afternoon
[06:09] <\sh> 3 to 4 pbuilder parallel
[06:09] <ajmitch> heh
[06:09] <ajmitch> insane
[06:10] <\sh> hmmm...openvrml 0.14.3 is obsolete
[06:10] <\sh> 0.15.9 maintained
[06:10] <ajmitch> isn't vrml obsolete? :)
[06:10] <\sh> well..not for the frozenapps list
[06:10] <\sh> *grrr*
[06:11] <\sh> why did I ask infinity
[06:12] <\sh> ogra: how do i go with it? It looks like that openvrml needs a new version :(
[06:13] <\sh> 0.14.3 is not maintained anymore from upstream
[06:15] <\sh> hmmm
[06:15] <\sh> mozilla-plugin development..which package?
[06:16] <ajmitch> firefox-dev ?
[06:17] <\sh> no...mozilla-dev
[06:17] <\sh> I hope...;)
[06:17] <\sh> ok...let it build..need some food
[06:20] <ajmitch> not sure if we're using mozilla-dev for anything, or moving everything to firefox
[06:20] <tseng> ive moved all my stuff to firefox-dev
[06:21] <tseng> rdepends on mozilla might be a good indicator?
[06:21] <ogra> tseng, rather NEW then new upstream versions of existing packages ;)
[06:21] <\sh> I'll try it first with mozilla and then firefox
[06:22] <ogra> \sh, ask for a sync, ok with me to overrid UVF for that
[06:22] <\sh> ogra: no sync..debian is just old
[06:22] <ogra> hmm...
[06:23] <ogra> \sh, its a merger ?
[06:23] <\sh> and their r no gcc4 patches at upstream for 0.14.3
[06:23] <\sh> ogra: cxx
[06:23] <\sh> trans
[06:24] <\sh> and that was the reason noone took it ,-)
[06:24] <\sh> and Ihave the crap again on my ****
[06:27] <ogra> what is planned in debian ? any bugreports there etc.. ?
[06:27] <ogra> (probably doko can tell)
[06:28] <\sh> no
[06:28] <\sh> nothing...i checked...and upstream is refering to new releases
[06:29] <ogra> oki
[06:29] <\sh> i need to get the build-deps straight
[06:35] <\sh> woah...build-deps correct...building now
[07:33] <\sh> damn
[07:52] <\sh> hey DanielN
[07:58] <DanielN> \sh, hey! glad to be back again :)
[07:58] <bddebian> \sh: Hey, I have to get back to painting but any chance you had a sec to look at octave yet?
[07:58] <\sh> bddebian: I'm just fcking the openvrml package here...it take ages
[07:59] <\sh> 26388 root      18   0  424m 417m 3844 R 64.2 82.7   1:54.25 cc1plus
[07:59] <bddebian> \sh: OK, np, thanks
[07:59] <\sh> bddebian: when this is built i will check it...believe me...
[07:59] <bddebian> No worries, I know you're busy
[07:59] <bddebian> bbiab
[07:59] <\sh> i want to crack the 50 upload mark..today ,-)
[08:01] <\sh> any motu awake who can upload? ;)
[08:04] <ajmitch> awake, just..
[08:06] <\sh> damn...where is nsISupports.idl
[08:08] <\sh> now I need a chroot *grrr*
[08:08] <DanielN> :)
[08:10] <\sh> now I know why nobody wanted to take openvrml
[08:11] <ogra> guys mpathy likes to care for some ruby stuff... in motu world
[08:11] <mpathy> hi there.. I "repaired" a ubuntu-package where shall I upload it?
[08:12] <mpathy> hey WAIT.. i am a newbie ;)
[08:12] <tseng> revu
[08:12] <tseng> see the topic
[08:12] <ogra> mpathy, this doesnt stay like this for long if you hang around here
[08:13] <Mez> mpathy, be warned it cna take a good long time for it to go through REVU (unless you submit close to a review day)
[08:14] <Lathiat> tseng: how did the RoR showing-off go? :)
[08:14] <tseng> Lathiat: hm well
[08:14] <tseng> Lathiat: we were going to make a webapp for doing firewall changes
[08:14] <tseng> Lathiat: but the higher-ups have cold feet
[08:15] <tseng> it would be a form to request src-> dest ip ranges and ports
[08:15] <tseng> infosec could approve each
[08:15] <mpathy> oh.. okay.. its only a small change..
[08:15] <tseng> and then it would spit out a Cisco PIX config
[08:16] <Mez> hmm
[08:16] <Mez> where do you find the shlibs thing?
[08:16] <Mez> file?
[08:16] <Mez> cause for some reason, i'm getting somting output a dependency on phpapi-20020918-zts
[08:16] <Mez> which doesnt exist
[08:17] <\sh> damn more damn damage
[08:19] <tseng> slomo: link to your latest cowbell please?
[08:19] <\sh> grmpf...i have to fix configure.ac
[08:19] <\sh> and I'm a complete autoconf noob
[08:19] <tseng> slomo: oh.. we need more reviewers I guess.
[08:19] <mpathy> ogra: okay I'll have a look at these documentations.. then I start with this MOTU thing but slooow :)
[08:20] <siretart> mpathy: if your fixes are rather small, consider prividing debdiffs, since for small changes, they are more easy to review
[08:20] <SloMoSnail> tseng: please don't vote for this version ;) it works but the copyright stuff has to be fixed
[08:21] <SloMoSnail> tseng: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=170
[08:21] <mpathy> siretart: debdiffs? huh? as I said, i am a newbie.. but I trieng to read me through this things.. :)
[08:21] <siretart> mpathy: ah, ok, sorry then ;)
[08:22] <siretart> mpathy: do you know what a debian sourcepackage is? and  understand what's this .dsc file about?
[08:22] <Mez> siretart, please pull http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=165 from revu
[08:22] <mpathy> siretart: 1. yes 2. dont know :)
[08:22] <Mez> (for now)
[08:22] <tseng> SloMoSnail: yeah it can wait
[08:22] <siretart> Mez: you want php-clamav archived or nuked? please make a comment in future
[08:23] <SloMoSnail> tseng: i've already mailed upstream for clarification... and i'll upload the package tomorrow to svn when i've access
[08:23] <tseng> SloMoSnail: awesome
[08:23] <tseng> to svn?
[08:23] <siretart> mpathy: if you do a "dpkg-buildpackage", then you'll gett some shiny .dsc file in '..'
[08:24] <siretart> mpathy: now try 'debdiff origpackage.dsc modifiedpackage.dsc'
[08:24] <Mez> siretart: well, I'm confused - it depends on PHP with zts, and refers to a package that isnt in debian or ubuntu, and nether seems to install any zts build of php
[08:24] <SloMoSnail> tseng: this debian mono svn thing... meebey suggested to upload the package there
[08:24] <tseng> ohh
[08:24] <tseng> that is awesome
[08:24] <siretart> Mez: so you want it nuked, yes? please provide such information directly to revu
[08:25] <tseng> yes its much better that way
[08:25] <Mez> siretart, done
[08:26] <SloMoSnail> tseng: btw... you wanted to talk with me regarding gstreamer-plugins-multiverse :)
[08:26] <tseng> SloMoSnail: yes!
[08:27] <tseng> now where did i put it
[08:28] <mpathy> siretart: okay i will try that.. hope to send my patch for 'alexandria' next weekend!
[08:28] <mpathy> or debdiff..
[08:28] <mpathy> whatever it is called :)
[08:28] <siretart> mpathy: cool!
[08:29] <tseng> SloMoSnail: http://tseng2.ath.cx/~brandon/gst-plugins/
[08:29] <tseng> SloMoSnail: wanna see what you can do with this?
[08:30] <tseng> SloMoSnail: its a work in progress, could add lame and some other goodies
[08:31] <SloMoSnail> tseng: thanks, i'll look at it :) when i change something where shall i send the changes?
[08:31] <tseng> SloMoSnail: revu
[08:31] <tseng> for checkin hopefully :)
[08:32] <SloMoSnail> ok :)
[08:32] <Lathiat> tseng: sweet
[08:32] <herve> re
[08:33] <tseng> Lathiat: oh, i did a rails app at home though
[08:36] <\sh> building again and again and again...
[08:37] <\sh> listenin to shermann "Master Of Patches"
[08:38] <SloMoSnail> tseng: you simply took the gstreamer-plugins package and changed some stuff? in the rules there's so much stuff we don't need...
[08:38] <tseng> SloMoSnail: yep
[08:38] <siretart> \sh: lol
[08:38] <tseng> SloMoSnail: its a pretty quick-n-dirty hack
[08:38] <tseng> Lathiat: http://tseng2.ath.cx:3000/admin
[08:39] <tseng> Lathiat: i spent an hour or two on this and the rails pdf
[08:39] <SloMoSnail> tseng: would it be ok to rewrite the package from scratch? i think i can create a rules with <100 lines ;)
[08:39] <tseng> SloMoSnail: sure.
[08:39] <\sh> siretart: no fun anymore...this source eats up my mem just like a lion on mad cow desease
[08:39] <tseng> SloMoSnail: its all yours if you'll take it
[08:41] <SloMoSnail> tseng: fine :) but it can take some time...
[08:41] <\sh> start to swap...now
[08:41] <tseng> SloMoSnail: no problem
[08:41] <\sh> 24333 shermann  18   0  410m 367m 3004 D 27.5 72.9   0:35.92 cc1plus
[08:41] <\sh> and increasing
[08:54] <tseng> can someone say something in utf8?
[08:55] <\sh> no
[08:55] <tseng> trying to make screen+irssi work
[08:55] <SloMoSnail> tseng: 
[08:55] <\sh> i don't have any umlauts
[08:55] <tseng> SloMoSnail: erm, i want to get irssi to print utf8 instead of garbage. you know
[08:56] <herve> caf
[08:57] <SloMoSnail> tseng: ah ok... so how can i help other than giving you a few utf8 characters? ;)
[08:57] <tseng> that would be perfect
[08:57] <tseng> i have us keyboard
[08:57] <herve> no compose key?
[08:58] <SloMoSnail> tseng:  <--- these are utf8 characters... and you can get some with altgr+6 for example... the not-symbol
[08:58] <tseng> altgr?
[08:58] <herve> slomo, us keyboard :-)
[08:58] <tseng> thos came as ?
[08:59] <SloMoSnail> hmm, \sh how is this key called on us keyboards? ;)
[08:59] <tseng> irssi must be wrong
[08:59] <herve> tseng, so irsii doesn't get it
[08:59] <tseng> yes
[08:59] <tseng> i fixed screen already
[08:59] <ajmitch> irssi is displaying the accents here
[08:59] <\sh> rebuilding again
[09:01] <\sh> removing all mozilla-plugin crap
[09:01] <ajmitch> sounds like \sh is having fun
[09:02] <\sh> bloody rest of the cxx trans...and this lib is getting me crazy
[09:02] <\sh> making even
[09:02] <\sh> increasing caffeine level
[09:03] <\sh> i thought my 4 patches for rezound this morning were enough...
[09:05] <\sh> start swaping now
[09:17] <tseng> i am now utf-8 enabled.
[09:17] <\sh> hmm
[09:18] <\sh> I screwed now everything
[09:18] <\sh> just try again 0.14.3
[09:23] <herve> can you read caf?
[09:23] <tseng> herve: yes.
[09:23] <herve> welcome to utf8 land then :-)
[09:29] <tseng> thanks.
[09:30] <tseng> also moved screen to a more convenient server
[09:30] <tseng> schweeb: holy crap its you
[09:30] <schweeb> indeed
[09:32] <\sh> if this is going to work now...I will upload this piece of crap and start smoking weed again
[09:32] <schweeb> o_O
[09:33] <\sh> 0.15.9 is broken like hell..and 0.14.3 is not better
[09:34] <herve> what package?
[09:34] <\sh> openvrml
[09:34] <\sh> the last bit of cxx trans
[09:34] <\sh> so infinity is happy
[09:34] <\sh> and I have peace
[09:34] <\sh> no
[09:34] <\sh> man
[09:34] <\sh> dudes
[09:34] <\sh> I finally made it
[09:34] <\sh> woooo
[09:35] <\sh> bloody hell...I fixed it
[09:35] <tseng> \sh++
[09:36] <\sh> ok...one last bit of crap in rules...missing c2
[09:36] <SloMoSnail> \sh: congratulations :) bddebian has to give you the hero of the day status ;)
[09:37] <\sh> last rebuilding of openvrml...
[09:37] <herve> \sh, I'll buy you a beer if we meet some day
[09:37] <herve> s/if/when :-)
[09:38] <siretart> \sh: rock!
[09:39] <\sh> *phew* I'm finished now
[09:39] <\sh> I didn't drink any alcohol...but my head is spinning
[09:40] <comadreja> hey congrats \sh
[09:41] <SloMoSnail> \sh: i know that feeling... was coding some java stuff this afternoon ;)
[09:42] <\sh> SloMoSnail: eeek
[09:42] <\sh> .oO(would ogra say now)
[09:42] <SloMoSnail> does he like java as much as i do? ;)
[09:43] <\sh> well...I think he loves java *eg*
[09:46] <tseng> :)
[09:46] <tseng> i do alot of tcl at work
[09:46] <tseng> i work on other peoples very bad tcl
[09:46] <tseng> i dont want any of your complaining about java :P
[09:47] <tseng> i do that too
[09:47] <ajmitch> almost as bad as VB
[09:47] <tseng> but i threw the old php out the window
[09:47] <tseng> and started fresh
[09:47] <ajmitch> good move
[09:47] <tseng> i want to move to rails
[09:47] <tseng> have to convince my boss
[09:48] <\sh> java is the real hackers language...just like .net crap *rotfl*
[09:48] <tseng> ajmitch: sudo pbuilder build evolution-sharp-0.6.99+0.7-0ubuntu1.dsc
[09:48] <tseng> gross
[09:49] <comadreja> I like C++
[09:50] <\sh> burn buildd burn
[09:50] <tseng> i do like tcl, when its not horribly obfusticated and poor
[09:50] <comadreja> if tseng can forgive me... I hate tcl
[09:50] <comadreja> :)
[09:51] <tseng> what about it?
[09:51] <tseng> everyone seems to hate it
[09:51] <tseng> i just hate the coder behind me
[09:51] <comadreja> the syntax, is not intuitive
[09:51] <tseng> i write it in sort of C style
[09:52] <tseng> foreach host $hosts {
[09:52] <tseng> ...
[09:52] <tseng> }
[09:52] <comadreja> I like that seems perl :) what do you think about perl ?
[09:52] <tseng> it is kind of odd when you reference variables w/ w/o $
[09:52] <tseng> most perl ive seen is pretty obfusticated
[09:53] <tseng> if i had to write it I would probably be a little more explicit and clean C style
[09:53] <tseng> might not be so bad
[09:53] <comadreja> it's quite ok, I like it. I'd like to learn more python, I love OOP
[09:53] <comadreja> it's gotta be really cool
[09:54] <tseng> hm i dont like the indenting logic bit
[09:54] <tseng> i like my {}
[09:55] <tseng> with proper indenting of course
[09:55] <comadreja> that's true
[09:55] <comadreja> spaces or tabs ? :D
[09:55] <tseng> tabs
[09:55] <siretart> are there tcl/gtk2 bindings? ;)
[09:55] <SloMoSnail> tseng: when you've done some python code you will like the indenting stuff ;)
[09:55] <tseng> tabstop=4
[09:56] <comadreja> I use tabstop=2
[09:56] <tseng> SloMoSnail: ill learn python exactly when i have to
[09:56] <tseng> siretart: yes
[09:56] <SloMoSnail> tseng: btw... did you have a look at nemerle? what's your opinion regarding that language? :)
[09:57] <tseng> SloMoSnail: i have not
[09:57] <tseng> SloMoSnail: but boo seems pretty slick
[09:57] <tseng> im not that much of an OO guy, though
[09:59] <tseng> hm oh. nemerle is like proceedural c#?
[09:59] <\sh> ok...last lib I can do for today...yehia
[10:00] <SloMoSnail> tseng: nope... it's really weird ;) you can code exactly like in c# (ok, syntax is a bit different) and you can code some pieces functional ;)
[10:01] <herve> you can do functional with python too
[10:02] <SloMoSnail> herve: please show me some examples :)
[10:05] <herve> map, apply, filter, list comphrensions, generator expressions, iterators, collections...
[10:05] <herve> of course it's not a dedicated functional language
[10:05] <siretart> lambda
[10:05] <herve> lambda too
[10:07] <Amaranth> map, filter, and lambda are getting the ax in Python 3
[10:07] <Amaranth> probably apply too
[10:07] <SloMoSnail> the ax?
[10:07] <Amaranth> will no longer exist
[10:07] <Amaranth> being removed from the language
[10:08] <herve> they get faster and more memory efficient replacements
[10:08] <SloMoSnail> ah ok...
[10:08] <Amaranth> because they're annoying
[10:08] <herve> iterators and generators are powerful but simple concepts
[10:09] <Amaranth> http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=98196
[10:09] <Amaranth> ah, iterators and generators rock
[10:09] <Amaranth> filter(), reduce(), map(), etc just confuse
[10:09] <herve> I never remember the syntax :-)
[10:10] <herve> Amaranth, Python 3 != Python 3000
[10:10] <Amaranth> whatever
[10:10] <Amaranth> it's wishlist thing
[10:10] <Amaranth> but they'll be cut ASAP, i'm sure of that :)
[10:11] <herve> sure thing
[10:12] <Amaranth> some of these things are already happening or have happened
[10:12] <Amaranth> in PEP3000, i mean
[10:12] <Amaranth> "Remove distinction between int and long types"
[10:13] <herve> yes, Python 3000 are all the ideas for the future of Python
[10:13] <herve> not all make it
[10:15] <Amaranth> I'm aware.
[10:15] <Amaranth> Pretty sure reduce, map, filter, and lambda are all toast though. :)
[10:15] <herve> I won't miss them
[10:15] <Amaranth> Not many will.
[10:16] <\sh> does anybody have a clue about yehia?
[10:16] <Amaranth> A lispy guy I know was bragging to me about how all languages were moving to lisp, even my "precious Python". I showed that to him, he now hates Python religiously.
[10:22] <tseng> here comes a new beagle
[10:24] <tseng> hm no excitement
[10:24] <tseng> i want to hear from you amd64 guys, thumbs up / thumbs down
[10:24] <SloMoSnail> tseng: hehe, i don't use beagle as i always know where my stuff is :)
[10:25] <tseng> that song sucked
[10:26] <bddebian> Metallica r0x j00 d00d
[10:26] <tseng> they did
[10:26] <bddebian> Heh
[10:26] <tseng> in 1984
[10:26] <tseng> not in 1994
[10:26] <SloMoSnail> tseng: yes... long long time ago ;)
[10:26] <tseng> i still have and justice for all, ride the lightning, master of puppets
[10:26] <\sh> bddebian: for what?
[10:26] <tseng> the good stuffs
[10:27] <bddebian> \sh: I dunno, that's what SloMoSnail said :-)
[10:27] <\sh> gnarf
[10:27] <bddebian> tseng: Yeah, Fade To Black rocked
[10:27] <SloMoSnail> bddebian: for openvrml
[10:27] <tseng> i can play most of that song
[10:27] <bddebian> Nice
[10:27] <tseng> the hetfield bits
[10:27] <tseng> its really fun
[10:27] <bddebian> \sh: Any time to look at octave yet?
[10:27] <\sh> bddebian: hahahaa...
[10:27] <bddebian> What happed to libsigc++ did someone upload it?
[10:27] <\sh> just now
[10:28] <\sh> i should have...
[10:28] <\sh> i'm not sure
[10:28] <\sh> too many uploads
[10:28] <bddebian> Heh
[10:28] <\sh> Accepted libsigc++ 1.0.4-9ubuntu1 (source)
[10:28] <\sh> * Resynchronise with Debian. * Sponsord for Barry DeFreese (Closes: Ubuntu #12482)
[10:28] <\sh> yes
[10:28] <bddebian> Hmm
[10:31] <\sh> working on yehia right now...to get this cxx stuff from his ass
[10:32] <\sh> downloading octave2.1
[10:33] <bddebian> \sh: Anything I can do to help on the cxx stuff?  (Not that I know C++)
[10:33] <\sh> no.I'm just finished now
[10:34] <bddebian> Oh OK, sorry
[10:34] <bddebian> Sheesh, I think peacock needs just a few more build-deps
[10:35] <bddebian> If the only thing missing from a Dropped Debian patch is an updated standards version, is it worth a diff?
[10:36] <\sh> bddebian: I'm just uploading octave...please check the buildlogs
[10:37] <\sh> damn
[10:38] <\sh> bddebian: please check your inbox for a mail from katie pls
[10:38] <bddebian> \sh: Nothing yet
[10:38] <\sh> bddebian: will come..or is your mail not whitelisted?
[10:39] <bddebian> I don't know about "katie" but I have been getting mails from bugzilla
[10:39] <tseng> katie is the ubuntu upload manager
[10:40] <bddebian> Ah
[10:40] <bddebian> How would I be in there?  Just from being the bugzilla contact?
[10:40] <bddebian> Or from the changelog?
[10:41] <bddebian> \sh: BTW, did you test it to make sure I didn't fsck it up? ;-)
[10:43] <bddebian> tseng: Is my noise ratio too high again?
[10:43] <tseng> no
[10:43] <tseng> its quickly decreasing :)
[10:43] <tseng> welcome aboard
[10:43] <bddebian> OK thanks.  Let me know if I get to loud again.  (Seriously)
[10:44] <ajmitch> if you don't know if your address is whitelisted, then it most likely isn't
[10:44] <tseng> someone uploaded it for him i thought
[10:44] <tseng> like you used to do to my sources
[10:44] <tseng> pre-keysigning
[10:45] <bddebian> ajmitch: I've heard of blacklisted and rbl but wtf is whitelisted?
[10:45] <tseng> bddebian: no one can upload to ubuntu until you are whitelisted
[10:45] <tseng> bddebian: opposite of blacklist
[10:45] <bddebian> Oh, I'm not uploading.  I'm just one of your slaves :-)
[10:46] <tseng> yes.
[10:48] <\sh> error: invalid use of void expression
[10:48] <\sh> argl
[10:48] <\sh> what was the fix for it...*think*
[10:48] <herve> night all
[10:48] <tseng> \sh: hitting the author with K&R?
[10:50] <\sh> tseng: the author is crap...last mail from 2004
[10:50] <\sh> one
[10:50] <tseng> heh
[10:56] <SloMoSnail> bddebian: are you searching for some work? :) i need a wavpack package but i even can't compile it by hand as the sources seem to be broken ;)
[11:01] <bddebian> slomo: Is it on the buglist?
[11:02] <SloMoSnail> nope... there is currently no package
[11:02] <\sh> hmmm....
[11:02] <\sh> what is the best fix for invalid use of void expression?
[11:03] <SloMoSnail> \sh: depends on the actual code ;) paste it somewhere
[11:03] <bddebian> Well what good is that then?  Aren't we supposed to be concentrating on MOTUToMerge? :-)
[11:03] <bddebian> \sh: int ;-P
[11:04] <SloMoSnail> bddebian: i'm currently working on gstreamer-plugins-multiverse... and a wavpack plugin would be nice ;) but i've solved the problem :)
[11:04] <\sh> void erase(iterator it) { G_Node<T>(g_node_unlink(it.node)); }
[11:04] <\sh>     void erase(iterator start, iterator end) {
[11:04] <\sh>       for (iterator it = start; it != end; ++it)
[11:04] <\sh>         G_Node<T>(g_node_unlink(it.node));
[11:04] <\sh>     }
[11:04] <SloMoSnail> bddebian: tomorrow i'll work further on MOTUToMerge
[11:05] <bddebian> SloMoSnail: Then what do you need me for? :-)
[11:07] <\sh> doesn't matter...
[11:07] <SloMoSnail> bddebian: hmm... don't know ;) do you want to package it? :)
[11:08] <bddebian> SloMoSnail: I thought you said you just fixed it?
[11:08] <SloMoSnail> bddebian: yes it compiles now... but there currently is no package so i have to create one ;)
[11:09] <bddebian> Ahhh
[11:11] <\sh> so if somebody wants some fun tonight: apt-get source yehia...rename it and compile .) infos about cxx transition is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyToolchainTransition
[11:14] <bddebian> SloMoSnail: I'm not sure if I am the person to package something from source or not. :-)
[11:15] <\sh> ok...time for me to hit my bed
[11:15] <\sh> for today it's enough
[11:15] <SloMo_> gn8 \sh :)
[11:15] <bddebian> \sh: Good work man. :-)  And gnight
[11:15] <bddebian> Oh, and thanks!
[11:15] <\sh> bddebian: octave2.1 uploaded
[11:16] <\sh> check the buildlogs for any problems...
[11:16] <bddebian> \sh: Awesome, thanks
[11:16] <\sh> http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/
[11:17] <\sh> and check for octave2.1 ;)
[11:17] <bddebian> Ahh, thanks again :-)
[11:17] <\sh> if it's "success" and "green", for all archs: everything is ok...if one or many are red...fix
[11:18] <bddebian> :'-(
[11:18] <\sh> what?
[11:18] <bddebian> Just kidding around. Ignore me and go to bed. :-)
[11:20] <\sh> just closed another bug
[11:21] <\sh> ok...g'night everybody...cu tomorrow
[11:26] <SloMo_> bddebian: you only learn by trying ;)
[11:27] <bddebian> SloMo_: Amen :-)
[11:30] <bddebian> Hmm, did \sh upload slmon too?
[11:33] <bddebian> SloMo_: I think you need a few more nick aliases ;-)
[11:35] <Amaranth> yay for trolls
[11:35] <Amaranth> "Please quit being such a traitor. The whole Linux community can live w/o these apps you just mentioned."
[11:35] <bddebian> Who's a troll?
[11:35] <Amaranth> when i was talking about why mono was good
[11:35] <Amaranth> oh, some guide on the forums who thinks M$ must die!!!!111one!!
[11:35] <Amaranth> omg
[11:35] <Amaranth> :P
[11:35] <bddebian> Ah, just punch them in the throat :-)
[11:36] <Amaranth> err, guy
[11:36] <Amaranth> i can't talk
[11:36] <Amaranth> type
[11:36] <Amaranth> fuck
[11:48] <bddebian> Amaranth: Such language. :-)