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andrewcool2It says right here...that if i follow the instructions in expert mode i can save all my existing files..but how do i get into expert mode..12:00
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drackocrimsun, linux-2.6.12.312:00
HappyFooli should just learn eirc, but x-chat is sufficient for now12:00
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crimsundemirg: it doesn't what? Do you mean it doesn't run correctly, or do you mean it runs just fine?12:00
demirgcrimsun, i think what i need to do is to unload rivafb module, but dont now how12:00
hybrid_gothHappyFool: heh12:00
crimsundemirg: sudo modprobe -r rivafb12:00
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demirgcrimsun, it doesnt run correctly12:00
crimsundracko: ok, so you've compiled 2.6.12.3 yourself?12:01
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giantI'm having a problem with limewire12:01
giantit just quits instantly after it starts12:01
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hybrid_gothno errors?12:01
giantI'm searching limewires site now, but has anyone had any probems with it12:02
HappyFoolanne: having any luck?12:02
giantno popup boxes12:02
hybrid_gothdid you read up on it12:02
hybrid_goth!limewire12:02
ubotuhybrid_goth: Are you smoking crack?12:02
HappyFoolheh12:02
HappyFoolcheeky bot!12:02
hybrid_goth!dumb bot12:02
ubotuI haven't a clue, hybrid_goth12:02
crimsuninfo limewire, hybrid_goth12:02
giantI'm doing that now... wondering if anyone had had this problem could tell me where to start12:02
crimsundemirg: ok, have you unloaded rivafb yet?12:03
drackocrimsun: well i downloaded that version, then copy my .config file to de top-level directory in the new kernel version and i do: make menuconfig, later i do make12:03
anneno respond at all, but is the dot first and last in the sentence supposed to be there12:03
drackobut thow me an error :s12:03
demirgcrimsun, i am about to, just a moment pls12:03
drackothrow12:03
HappyFoolanne: the ' ? no, those must not be there12:03
crimsundracko: answer this first: why do you want 2.6.12.3? The version you downloaded doesn't contain the patches that Ubuntu applied.12:03
demirgcrimsun, FATAL: Module rivafb not found.12:04
obvious_ronMy concern about Firefox is whether the Hoary build is okay in regards to security updates.12:04
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crimsundemirg: then rivafb is not loaded12:04
annetried both nothing happens12:04
hybrid_gothinfo limewire12:04
dabaRredownload limewire, and run it again.12:04
demirgcrimsun, i dont understand why it says so12:04
HappyFoolanne: hmm12:04
hybrid_goth?12:04
crimsun!tell hybrid_goth about limewire12:04
citrusdoes anyone know how my make my movies show a little image of the movie in the folder?12:04
HappyFoolanne: ok, how about 'find -name *.deb'  ?12:05
demirgcrimsun, but nvidia installer says it is loaded12:05
crimsunhybrid_goth: use: !info limewire12:05
hybrid_gothah ty12:05
hybrid_goth!info limewire12:05
drackocrimsun, ok, so how i can compile existent kernel?12:05
crimsundemirg: lsmod|grep ^rivafb12:05
HappyFoolthere's no limewire package in hoary12:05
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dabaRcrimsun: he dont know about it.12:05
crimsundemirg: why are you using the installer?12:05
xzzyHi, am looking for apt-sources for Tor & Privoxy12:06
xzzycan ubuntu use deb repository sources? sarge?12:06
demirgcrimsun, nothing echoes12:06
crimsundracko: but why do you _require_ 2.6.12.3? Ubuntu applies lots of patches. You discard them by using vanilla 2.6.12.3.12:06
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crimsundemirg: good, but why are you using the Nvidia installer? Have you followed http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?12:07
dabaRjust get the limewire for linux from limewire.com12:07
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dabaRif you have Java installed, it will work.12:07
demirgcrimsun, i tried many ways, not only the installer...12:07
annenothing, maybe i am not writing it correctly, maybe i must download again and take a note of where its saved12:07
crimsundemirg: does the method described on BinaryDriverHowto not work for you?12:08
HappyFoolanne: ok, let's do that; download it again and see where it's saved12:08
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shane543Hi !12:08
dabaRhey!12:08
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demirgcrimsun, i tried that method too, it didnot work for me either12:08
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crimsundemirg: where did it fail?12:08
shane543y aurait pas  des francais par ici ?12:09
Seveasshane543, #ubuntu-fr12:09
anneDownload this package in TAR.GZ format instead of your distribution's native format, thats one of the choices i get12:10
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demirgcrimsun, i try to log on to X, i type 2 or 3 letters of my username and it freezes12:10
shane543thanx!!!!12:10
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HappyFoolanne: no, don't tick that12:10
anneok just wondering12:10
HappyFoolanne: you want a '.deb' file12:10
dabaRHappyFool: opera?12:10
HappyFooldabaR: yeah12:11
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anneok,12:11
HappyFooldabaR: feel free to contradict if you know better ;)12:11
Mobusdoes anyone here know where I can get C++ Header libraries?12:11
demirgcrimsun, this is the last error i got: Unable to load the kernel module 'nvidia.ko'. This is most likely because the kernel module was built using the wrong kernel source files.12:11
anneit says open whith default, should i choose that12:11
HappyFoolMobus: install 'build-essential'12:11
HappyFoolanne: no, save to disk12:11
anneok12:11
dabaRHappyFool: nah, just checking, to see if I am a good detective...:)12:11
crimsundemirg: are you using default Hoary?12:11
HappyFoolanne: and check where ;)12:12
Mobushappyfool: more where I can pick and choose12:12
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HappyFoolMobus: i'm not following12:12
demirgcrimsun, yes12:12
demirgcrimsun, and my nvidia is geforce 256 ddr [NV10DDR] 12:12
MobusHappyfool: I don't want a bynch of .h files.  I weant, for example, to just get iostream.h and put it in the include folder,12:13
annenow its ready and it says, open or remove, open i guess12:13
Mobusrather than 200 .h files12:13
HappyFoolMobus: um. i don't think you can easily do that with ubuntu12:13
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HappyFoolMobus: you will not easily unravel the interdepencies of the standard header files anyway12:13
anneand i have a choise , all files downloaded to desktop, should i mark that12:13
Mobusi guess...12:13
HappyFoolanne: that's probably ok12:14
Yukican anyoen tell me what packages I need to be able to have sound when browsing sites and watching movies and what I eed for media players and stuff?12:14
HappyFoolMobus: if you don't have disk space for the header files, you won't be able to compile anything anyway ;)12:14
HappyFoolanne: at least we know where the file will be12:14
MobusI have the space for it no doubt happyfool12:14
annesuper. now its on my desktop12:14
HappyFoolanne: great12:14
HappyFoolanne: ok, go to the terminal again12:14
HappyFoolanne: then type 'cd Desktop'12:15
Mobusanyway, happyfool, I downloaded it, but I don't see them in the Gcc header file folder12:15
HappyFoolanne: then 'ls *.deb' -- you should see the file you downloaded12:15
crimsundemirg: dpkg -l linux-headers-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii12:15
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HappyFoolMobus: you need to installed the build-essential package -- like this 'sudo aptitude install build-essential'12:15
catolhIs there an application included in Ubuntu for connecting my tv to my computer? (Like the TV-Out on my ATI card)12:16
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HappyFoolMobus: iostream is in /usr/include/c++/3.3/iostream, if you're wanting to find the file12:16
aru_catolh: I don't have an answer, but I'm curious what card it is12:16
catolhAti 9600 xt..12:16
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x_o1Is there a FAQ on using japanese on ubuntu?12:17
aru_well, with everyone struggling to get their 9600s to work, I guess its time to reinstall my 7200 AIW12:17
demirgcrimsun, ii  linux-headers- 2.6.10-34.3    Linux kernel headers 2.6.10 on 38612:17
catolhdoh.. did a search for "tv out" in synaptic manager.. and guess what.. "atitvout".. :p12:17
aru_catolh: synaptic and google own us all :)12:18
annei cant seem to write it correctly, if you look at what you write, those dots i front of an end of the sentence do i writ them to  and what about the space between each command, control p only gives me what i copyed before12:18
catolhyep.. :)12:18
crimsundemirg: were you able to compile the 1.0-7667 drivers successfully?12:18
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HappyFoolx_o1: maybe this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JapaneseDocumentation12:18
demirgcrimsun, no12:18
HappyFoolanne: um, no, no dots. this command:                      ls *.deb12:18
HappyFoolanne: there is a space between ls and *.deb12:19
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demirgcrimsun, some guy told me to use a non-7xxx driver so i tried 6111 afterwards12:19
crimsundemirg: do you still have the Nvidia installer log?12:19
anneyes but im having trouble whith the cd desktop, it says no files12:20
HappyFoolanne: oh12:20
HappyFoolanne: it's Desktop -- uppercase D12:20
HappyFoolanne: so               cd Desktop12:21
demirgcrimsun, yes12:21
dabaRfiles in *nix are case sensitive.12:21
anneyes no its ok now i will try ls------12:21
dabaRfile names also12:21
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HappyFoolanne: good12:21
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crimsundemirg: please paste the contents of that log file onto the pastebin in the topic, and pass me the url12:22
annefound it, written opera bla bla in red text12:22
HappyFoolanne: great12:22
HappyFoolanne: now,             sudo dpkg -i opera-static_8.01-20050615.1-qt_en_i386.deb12:22
HappyFoolanne: it will ask for a password- enter your user password12:22
dabaRok, now, sudo dpkg -i oper<tab> <enter> <> represents keystrokes on the kybrd12:22
demirgcrimsun, sorry i couldnot understand how to send it12:23
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HappyFoolheh12:23
tritium:)12:23
HappyFooldoes opera manage to insinuate itself in the menu?12:23
HappyFoolanyone know?12:23
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ompaulcheers12:23
crimsundemirg: copy the output using the primary mouse button and paste it, using the middle mouse button, into the text entry area on the web page.12:24
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VeloxSHello, I'm having problems with installing WINE on Ubuntu...makedep problems apparently. I've posted the error here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/73512:24
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Yukiwhat package do I need to run java chat and stuff online?12:25
demirgcrimsun, what web page?12:25
annehurra12:25
dabaRhehe12:25
dabaRnice12:25
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dabaRI am totally glad to hear it works after 2 hours...12:25
phixionyuki, sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.512:25
HappyFoolanne: is opera running?12:25
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La_PaRCaubotu tell Yuki about java12:25
annei think so, i must write exit or do i have to do something more12:26
crimsundemirg: the web page for pastes in the topic12:26
crimsundemirg: paste.ubuntulinux.nl12:26
HappyFoolanne: that should work12:27
HappyFoolanne: i'm not sure how to start opera; try Applications -> Run application, type 'opera' and click 'run'12:27
VeloxSHm, I appear invisible to those who would help here :P12:28
HappyFoolok, i'm off to sleep. good night!12:28
annei love you all12:28
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cut0ffhi there12:28
Yukihow do I add multiverse?12:28
annethis is really working thank you very much12:29
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cut0ffYuki take a look http://ubuntuguide.org12:29
aru_Yuki: system>administration>synaptic then click settings > respositories12:29
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Mobusin anyone here familiar wiht Anjuta IDE?12:29
tritiumcut0ff, we're trying to have people stop recommending ubuntuguide12:30
demirgcrimsun, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/73612:30
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cut0fftritium ok sorry12:30
occyWhat's a way in Linux to do the equiv of fdisk /mbr ?12:30
crimsunYuki: you need to download two things: (1) a JRE or a JDK; (2) java-package from multiverse.12:30
tritiumcut0ff, no problem, just letting you know :)12:30
Seveasoccy, grub-install (hd0)12:30
occySeveas, danke12:30
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Andriyushkasmall question is there a terminal command for configureing wireless?12:31
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postmodernhow is dialup in ubuntu?12:31
postmodernim looking at setting this 56k dialup system with ubuntu12:32
ironmcI'm having a problem ejecting a cd --- front button doesn't work and niether does "eject" command in a terminal --- says "Device is busy"12:32
Andriyushkai think so12:32
AndrewcoolOk i need help big time :(12:32
postmoderndoes all gnome-ppp and ppp-modules come on the ubuntu install cds12:32
postmodernand can gnome-ppp set the baud rate to 5670012:32
crimsunironmc: then there's something using the cd-rom12:32
DAC1138postmodern, dialup in ubuntu is so fast, youll think you're on a t1 connection12:32
Andriyushkaoh ironmc there should be a hole put a paperclip in there then push the button12:32
YukiI can't find sun-j2re1.512:32
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AndrewcoolCan anybody Help me...i really need help :(12:33
kbrooksping12:33
crimsunYuki: just download a JRE from Sun or from IBM using a web browser12:33
AndrewcoolHelp with installing Ubuntu12:33
kbrooksAndrewcool, ask12:33
Andriyushkahmmm ok yuki goto www.ubuntuguide.org12:33
DAC1138Andrewcool, http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html12:33
catolhuhm, i have somewhat of a problem.. I want to use fullscreen in mplayer. But when i choose it, i get kind of a fullscreen, but not quite.. i get a black frame around the picture (Wich is the "original" size)12:33
D1anyone use IGLOOFTP?12:33
Doonz!backup12:33
ubotuBugger all, i dunno, Doonz12:33
Doonzhmm12:33
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AndrewcoolOk i want to install ubuntu...but i don't want to lose my existing stuff12:33
Doonzim trying to figure out howto make a back up of my ubuntu install12:33
crimsuncatolh: are you using -vo xv ?12:33
Andrewcoolalso the windows boot stuff is saved on a existing partation...12:33
ironmcI know I can use a paperclip and there is nothing on the disc but a copy of Knoppix.iso12:33
MobusWhere does Anjuta IDE look for its header files? I found iostream.h in another folder, where can I copy it to so I anjuta can use it?12:33
dbw_Andrewcool: does the partition take up the whole disk?12:34
catolhcrimsun, im using x11.. i get an error if i run files with vx12:34
catolhxv*12:34
crimsunMobus: you need a bunch of -dev packages installed. Please search the ubuntu-users archive from earlier this year.12:34
Andrewcooldbw_  No it doesn't but i have the main one..and then the windows boot stuff on a other partiton12:34
DAC1138Doonz, what do you mean backup?12:34
Andriyushkaon the disk there is the partition of like a few mb that is log/backup info12:34
DAC1138Doonz, just files? or like a ghost image?12:34
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Doonzlike a ghost image12:35
Andriyushkarestore information12:35
DAC1138Doonz, try mondo12:35
catolhcrimsun, "Error openin/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.".. when i have xv selected12:35
Doonzso when i screw around with stuff i cant just reinstall and things are all good12:35
Andriyushkait actualy uses it12:35
Doonzmondo12:35
Mobusno, my question was, where does anjuta look for its header files during compilation?12:35
DAC1138Doonz, or do a freshmeat search for ghost, youll find a few more apps like ghost4linux12:35
MobusI have the header file12:35
catolhcrimsun, it happened after i installed the xorg ati driver12:35
MobusI just don't know where to put it12:35
Yukiis there a package that lets me have microphone conversations?12:35
cut0ffDAC1138 mondo? what is mondo?12:35
benwccan someone help me compile a kernel w/ ip_alias?12:35
crimsuncatolh: not fglrx?12:35
DAC1138cut0ff, its a ghost app that makes an image of your linux partition12:35
catolhcrimsun, yeah.. the fglrx12:36
cut0ffDAC1138 ahms thanks12:36
crimsuncatolh: did you follow the instructions on wiki/BinaryDriverHowto?12:36
occycrimsun, any word on when Ubuntu Firefox will be fixed?12:36
DAC1138cut0ff, there's also g4l, ghost4linux12:36
jcapoteeeesh12:36
crimsunoccy: 1.0.x? It's being worked over.12:36
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catolhcrimsun, i did the "sudo apt-get" option.. but ill check the howto again12:36
crimsun(so no, I don't have an ETA)12:37
cut0ffDAC1138 thx again mate12:37
DAC1138Doonz, they can burn the backup images to a cd, or to a network place12:37
occyyeah, I upgraded and got the borked version. :(12:37
DAC1138cut0ff, np, my experiences finally pay off for making ghost backups12:37
jcapoteSeveas: do you have function keys on your laptop that dim the screen12:37
occycrimsun, why wouldn't they roll back the version to the previous stable (under a differnt version number)12:38
occycrimsun, that seems like it'd make sense to me.12:38
Seveasjcapote, yes, but that is pure hardware - no drivers or software needed12:38
cut0ffDAC1138 really works fine?12:38
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jcapoteSeveas: then how come it doesnt work in ubuntu :(12:38
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DanJohnhello all12:38
dabaRHey!12:38
occylike,  roll it back to 1.0.2 (pre-borkage )  and just tack on something like  1.0.2.8 (assuming the fixed one was 6 and the borked one was 712:38
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DAC1138cut0ff, worked for me12:38
DanJohnI need some help in ubuntu12:39
demirgcrimsun, so did you look at the log file i have sent12:39
DanJohncan sombody help me12:39
jcapoteSeveas: actually, they do work, they just take 10 seconds to actually work12:39
DAC1138cut0ff, from what im told, it simply bzips your / root directory, so everything is saved in one archived file12:39
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postmodernDAC1138, well i ran ppp-on / ppp-off with a serial modem on gentoo before12:39
DAC1138cut0ff, then when you want to restore it, the program unzips it back onto the hard drive, erasing and overriting the old stuff the backed up stuff12:39
dabaRDanJohn: go ahead and ask.12:40
cut0ffDAC1138 many thanks12:40
postmodernDAC1138, whats the diff in Ubuntu, they enable the compression12:40
crimsundemirg: busy. What's the url again?12:40
jcapoteSeveas: any ideas?12:40
DanJohncan somebody help me with realplayer12:40
dabaRDanJohn: did you check out http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowTo12:41
demirgcrimsun, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/73612:41
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DAC1138postmodern, i dont know, i was joking wheni said that it was like t1 speeds12:41
catolhcrimsun, well, what i did is exactly what says in the howto. So i dont know what might of happened. It seems i cant use the xv video out.. :s12:41
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demirgdabaR, i did but it did not work for me12:41
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catolhi could before i installed the ati driver though12:41
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dabaRdemirg: by DanJohn I meant DanJohn :)12:41
catolhAnyone else have this problem?12:42
catolh"Error openin/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.".. when i have xv selected12:42
catolhopening*12:42
demirgdabaR: help me, too :)12:42
nistco92hey, i just installed ubuntu and i have no sound (i have a creative soundcard)12:42
dabaRdemirg: I wish I could...12:42
crimsunnistco92: which?12:42
crimsundemirg: sec12:42
nistco92live! i think12:42
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dabaRdemirg: I dont use ubuntu:)12:42
ubuntucan i eject the cd if I'm running live cd?12:42
occydoes anyone here have this video card: Connect 3D Radeon 9600XT 128MB AGP 8x Video Card12:42
dabaRjj12:42
catolhoccy, yep12:43
occycatolh, it works with Linux well?12:43
crimsunubuntu: only if you suspend/hibernate first.12:43
catolherr, not the "connect 3d" but the sapphire version12:43
ubuntuthanks12:43
catolhand yeah, it works fine12:43
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occycatolh, can you do 3D stuff like Quake3 (heh old I know)12:43
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dabaRnistco92: go find out more about the card, or maybe you can do that through the computer.12:43
crimsunnistco92: make sure.12:43
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catolhexept it wont let me use xv video out with the fglrx drivers12:43
demirgdabaR: thanks anyway :)12:43
catolhoccy. im betting yes12:44
dabaRdemirg: hey, youre welcome.12:44
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occycatolh, and does it work "out of the box", or do you have to do some X hacking to get to to work?12:44
dabaRgetting anyone to work is not easy, there is some work involved in it.12:44
dabaRLook at me for example...12:44
occyhttp://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1508924&Sku=A455-2110%20H12:44
occywas looking at that12:44
catolhoccy, nope. It works right out of the box12:44
othernoobcrimsun: what's the gnome equivalent to kmix?12:45
nistco92its a "Dell Sound Blaster Live! (Alsa Mixer)"12:45
catolhoccy, but if you want direct rendering you should check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto12:45
vinboywhat is the path to java bin?12:45
occycatolh, okies.... Again, still trying to find the right machine to get.12:46
nistco92when i try to play a cd in the player it doesn't go at all, the pause icon just flashes for a second, then it goest back to play12:46
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crimsunothernoob: gnome-volume..12:46
catolhbut anyway, anyone have an idea of what might be my problem? "Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device." in Mplayer (After i installed the fglrx driver)12:46
crimsunothernoob: or just select Volume Control in Applications> Sound & Video12:46
aru_Applications > Sound & Video > Volume Control12:47
catolhThe error comes when i use the xv driver.. but when i use the x11 driver it works out ok (except i cant get fullscreen.. i get a ugly black frame around the video)12:47
aru_doh12:47
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jcapotewhat an obscure bug12:47
crimsunnistco92: lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1x12:47
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othernoobcrimsun: i don't use gnome ;) i was just curious :)12:47
Yukido I need to restart for packages I install to take effect?12:47
nistco92crimsun: ..?12:48
cadushould i dump debian in favor or ubuntu ?12:48
caduwhat's better than debian in ubuntu?12:48
aru_cadu: do you like a desktop?12:48
crimsunnistco92: type that in a terminal12:48
othernoobcadu: no, and nothing.12:48
dabaRI am sorry, that SSN is not shown on the account. Please tell me the last four digits of another one, or the account number or amount of last payment.12:48
jcapotethe lcd dimmer keys have like a 10 second delay :(12:48
aru_cadu: or do you prefer the console?12:48
crimsundemirg: 6111 has issues with 2.6.1012:48
dabaRvinboy: wwhat?12:48
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crimsundemirg: you need to use a newer driver, like 662912:48
caduaru_: i use both12:48
dabaRvinboy: rephrase that.12:48
vinboydabaR, i found the path12:49
caduaru_: i code, use irc in console etc, check things but i obviously do most in graphical (X...web...etc)12:49
caduwhat are the advantages of ubuntu over debian?12:49
nistco92snd_emu10k1x           18084  112:49
aru_cadu: I prefer the desktop and am not profecient in console, so I use Ubuntu12:49
dabaRgood12:49
cadui'm considering a switch12:49
caduaru_: so ubuntu is easyed-debian ?12:49
aru_cadu: pretty much12:50
catolhwee, it works with GL.. lol.. :p12:50
dabaRcadu: /msg dpkg why debian12:50
crimsunnistco92: paste the output from amixer onto the pastebin in the topic12:50
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vinboyhow do I make the ubuntu add path during startup?12:50
aru_cadu: I got my parents on Ubuntu, but I would never get them on debian, if that helps :)12:50
occyAMD Athlon 64 3000+ / 512KB Cache / 2000 MHz FSB / Socket 939 / Processor with Fan12:50
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neurushello12:50
occythis thing is only 1.8Ghz12:50
caduokz, easy-debian12:50
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caduBUT12:50
crimsun"only"12:50
aru_oh no, a but :)12:50
neurusi have a celeron D12:50
cadui'm very disappointed with debian's release cycle12:50
crimsunwhat an ironic statement for a 64-bit cpu, occy12:51
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dabaRvinboy: you mean, every time you open a shell that there is the same thing in the path?12:51
aru_cadu: Ubuntu is 6 months12:51
demirgcrimsun, thanks a lot i will try it right now :)12:51
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caduwe still haven't got x.org :(12:51
occycrimsun, whatcha mean?12:51
neurusi only see screen in 640x480 why?12:51
dabaRadd the path setup command to /etc/bash_bashrc12:51
crimsuncadu: unstable sure does.12:51
caducrimsun: _unstable_ :)12:51
nomasteryodaheyya, occy12:51
neurusi am very newbie12:51
caduthings break in unstable12:51
crimsunoccy: eh, it's a 64-bit cpu :)12:51
occynomasteryoda, heyaz12:51
neurusi only see screen in 640x480 why?12:51
crimsuncadu: what's wrong with that?12:51
occynomasteryoda, you know much about building machines?12:51
cadui would like a moderately updated box with moderately new software and stability12:52
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vinboydabaR, i don't have to have to enter export PATH=/usr/bin/java12:52
IIIEarsHello! crimsun,cafuego, LaPaRca12:52
vinboydabaR, all the time12:52
jbluquestion for the ex  X Mac users12:52
nomasteryodaoccy, like what12:52
aru_cadu: I recommend ubuntu o my windows friends :)12:52
occynomasteryoda, I need to get another desktop as mines dying.12:52
caducrimsun: well, things break, i don't wanna hose my system for a week or two coz i've upgraded on apt ...12:52
crimsunhi IIIEars12:52
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nomasteryodaah, ok12:52
occynomasteryoda, don't want to spend too much... but want to get the best bang for buck.12:52
neurushow i configure my X12:52
crimsuncadu: there's always etch.12:52
occynomasteryoda, got about $1k12:52
nomasteryodawell sure12:52
vinboydabaR, I suppose I am amble to put that path into somefile and get it executed during startup12:52
nomasteryodasweet12:52
searcher`cadu: you can't have both. Either stable and old, or unstable and newer12:52
jblucan I partion for os 9 after now installing Ubuntu ppc12:52
dabaRvinboy: yes, add that exact command to your bash_bashrc under /etc12:52
nomasteryodathat'll do nicely12:52
cadusearcher`: well12:52
crimsuncadu: sounds like you need to give Hoary a spin.12:52
dabaRbut, change it, so its not exact like I said.12:52
cadusearcher`: isn't x.org stable ?12:52
battlecathow do you know what version of Ubuntu you have?12:52
neurus:(12:52
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crimsunbattlecat: lsb_release -a12:53
cadusearcher`: i'm on debian sarge but we don't have it :(12:53
occynomasteryoda, give me a call.12:53
vinboydabaR,  oh ic. that is it12:53
andrewcool2Who here understands partiton on ubuntu live?12:53
searcher`cadu: some might consider ubuntu hoary unstable, because the software is too new by comparison to say sarge12:53
occynomasteryoda, 742-247512:53
nomasteryodaoccy, i know you can get a laptop 64bit for that much12:53
nomasteryodak12:53
aru_cadu: the ubuntu release cycle is quicker than debian, if that helps12:53
dabaRmake it PATH=$PATH:/usr/bin/java12:53
searcher`cadu: you can always build it yourself12:53
battlecatI have a few CDs that Ubuntu sent me and I havent installed them12:53
neurusalguien de argentina?12:53
cadusearcher`: that's what i'm willing to do :)12:53
dabaRusr/bin is in your path already, btw12:53
neuruso que hable espaol?12:53
battlecatI am trying to figure out what they sent me12:53
dabaR!es12:53
ubotuHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.12:53
La_PaRCaneurus, #ubuntu-es12:53
caduyo hablo portugues: )12:53
dabaRw00t I did it first.12:53
crimsunadding /usr/bin/java to $PATH is kinda odd12:53
searcher`cadu: then it might be easier to just install Ubuntu ;-)12:54
AMCDeathKnightAnyone know how to setup seti@home on a Ubuntu linbux machine?12:54
dabaRya, I said.12:54
AMCDeathKnightas i need help12:54
AMCDeathKnight*Linux12:54
cadusearcher`: as it's essentially Debian, right ?12:54
vinboydabaR, i can't find bashrc under /etc12:54
YukiI mounted an NTFS partition to my home partition, but, I cannot access it, how can I change the permissions so I can access it?12:54
caduhmmm, indecision indecision :)12:54
jcapotecrimsun: yea that doesnt make any sense, you have to add the directory which contains the java executable to the $PATH12:54
searcher`cadu: based on debian, but not entirely debian12:54
IIIEars"linbux" = OS10 tuger? - grin12:54
IIIEarsheh tiger12:55
cadusearcher`: /me shrugs12:55
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searcher`cadu: for instance, mixing ubuntu and debian repositories can lead to some problems12:55
ubuntuis there a special room for Ubuntu Newbs12:55
crimsun"some" is a nice way of putting it.12:55
cadui won't :)12:55
searcher`cadu: easily resolved, just use ubuntu repos12:55
jcapotei think this is a scheduling issue12:55
andrewcool2Who is good with partations?12:55
crimsunubuntu: see the topic12:55
catolhDoes anyone else get some sort of "lag" in X while copying stuff from a CD ?12:55
caduwhat are the differences between debian and ubuntu ?12:55
IIIEarsubuntu - you found it here. Welcome!12:55
jbluhow about OS 9 if you partioned as HFS not HFS+12:55
searcher`catolh: check the dma settings on the cdrom12:56
dabaRThank you, the primary username on your account is rjsem. I can not see the current password, but I would be glad to use a program that will assign a random 8 letter password to your username, to reset it. Then I will instruct you how to change it to what you would like it to be yourself. Shall I do this now?12:56
Seveascadu: Ubuntu and debian have different goals, a different release schedule and different, but overlapping communities. See also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship12:56
catolhsearcher`, ok, thanks12:56
zukalkcatolh, type !dma12:56
dabaRubuntu: yes #ubuntu12:56
aru_ubuntu: we also have #ubuntu-offtopic for questions and chat not related to ubuntu12:56
dabaRthyats bad12:56
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dabaRlater12:56
catolh!dma12:56
catolh-.-12:56
wicho_ayuda para instalar mplayer... ?12:57
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ubuntu__arghh12:57
IIIEarsubuntu - check out cafuegos prtegee' "ubotu" our channel bot. Enter a !keyword and he'll jump right in with what he knows.12:57
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wicho_alguie habla espaol ?12:57
andrewcool!keyword partation12:57
ubotuparse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, andrewcool12:57
Seveas!es12:57
ubotuHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.12:57
wicho_alguien habla espaol ?12:57
IIIEars!partition12:57
ubotuIIIEars: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?12:57
UnIDataque deseas ?12:57
andrewcool!partiton12:57
ubotuI don't know, andrewcool12:57
jcapotei wish i knew more about my problem so i can file a proper bug report, ive narrowed it down to scheduling12:57
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IIIEars!ubotu12:57
ubotufrom memory, ubotu is uh... Thaaat's me! I'm a bot. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu!12:57
wicho_es que no puedo instalar mplayer :D12:58
Doonz!sex12:58
ubotuDoonz: I don't know12:58
UnIDatawicho ? que quieres ?12:58
Doonzhehe12:58
Doonzsorry12:58
Doonzcouldnt resist12:58
Seveaswicho_, UnIData #ubuntu-es.....12:58
aru_UnIData: #ubuntuo-es12:58
andrewcoolarghh lol :D12:58
sexcopter8000mwhere does xchat log files to by default?12:58
aru_dude, I had that first12:58
Seveassexcopter8000m, ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs12:58
benwcDebian channel is not very helpful with ubuntu users12:58
sexcopter8000mty12:58
Doonzdid they tell you to rtfm12:59
Seveasbenwc, not very helpful at all even ;)12:59
Doonz?12:59
Doonzthats what turned me off from linux12:59
Blissexbenwc: Debian channel is a bit ''difficult'', but Ubuntu has its own channel, and this makes ubuntu queries simply off topic.12:59
Yukihow do I login as root?12:59
Doonztrying to get a RH install to work12:59
benwcDoonz they said goto ubuntu and ask them questions about almost debian12:59
SeveasYuki, you don't...12:59
IIIEarsbenwc - #dbian is just jealous for the ease of Ubuntu/debian12:59
La_PaRCaYuki, root is disabled by default in ubuntu12:59
vader1102benwc: I refuse to go in there, I get better reponses from google12:59
jcapotemy favorite channel in relation to os support is #freebsd12:59
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nistco92crimsun:i posted it in the pastebin12:59
Doonzyeah12:59
La_PaRCaYuki, use sudo instead12:59
Yukibut what is the command to unlock a folder?12:59
SeveasYuki, unlock..?12:59
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Doonzthats why im soo impreassed with ubuntu support01:00
benwcI was told Debian people are arrogant. Never has expierence with them though01:00
Doonzspecially with a few guys in here that always help me01:00
sjmurdochYuki: chmod will let you change permissions01:00
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DoonzSeveas specially01:00
YukiI mounted an ntfs partition to my home directory, but the folder is locked, how do I change the permissions?01:00
IIIEars"Open says-me"?01:00
Doonzoh01:00
Doonzchown and chmod01:00
benwctheir disto got hacked twice in one year so I switched to ubuntu and so far, no problems01:00
Doonzchown user dir01:00
SeveasYuki, add umask=0000 to the line in /etc/fstab01:00
nalioth_wrknYuki: you dont01:00
Doonzchmod 775 dir01:00
SeveasDoonz, won't work for ntfs :)01:00
Doonzdamn01:00
nalioth_wrknYuki: writing to ntfs can damage your ntfs partition01:00
Doonzi thought i had learnt something01:00
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wildrabbit_do you guys know of a good ftp server with some virtual frontend to run on a ubuntu ?01:01
holycowDoonz, they are good, eh?01:01
benwcI had some berlin worm... the01:01
YukiI don't want to write to it, I want to take data from01:01
vader1102in #Debian if you don't ask your ? even halp proper they will tell you to re-word or leave lol01:01
wildrabbit_on a local lan ?01:01
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catolhit doesnt hurt me if i enable dma on /dev/hda  & /dev/hdc  & /dev/cdrom0  right?01:01
Seveaswildrabbit_, 'virtual frontend' ..?01:01
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DoonzHolycow pardon?01:01
aru_Yuki: you need to do it as user, not su01:01
wildrabbit_Seveas, GUI01:01
Seveaswildrabbit_, hmm, proftpd+webmin comes close01:01
Yukibut it won;'t let me as a user01:01
Doonzthats ok i installed the 64bit version of ubuntu but alot of stuff isnt supported yet01:01
SeveasYuki, add umask=0000 to the line in /etc/fstab <=====01:02
Yukiok01:02
Yukijust use gedit?01:02
DoonzYuki ignore what i said01:02
Seveassudo gedit /etc/fstab01:02
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benwcAnyone wanna help a ubuntu fan find a good place to learn how to compile a kernel w/ ip alias support?01:02
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wildrabbit_Seveas, I'll try it thanks.01:02
Seveasbenwc: You can find compilation instructions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto01:02
jcapoteso any laptop/ubuntu users in here can help me with my function key issue?01:02
SeveasDoonz, we all started like that :)01:02
benwcSeveas thx01:02
Fanskapetwhat issue?01:02
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Doonzim learning as i go. but still get lost01:03
crimsunNicP: next time, please pass me the url01:03
jcapotethe function keys that brighten/dim the laptop screen, take like 10 seconds to work01:03
jcapotefrom when i push them01:03
jcapoteto the actual effect01:03
vader1102got a question, to get my battery display to work I  have to open a term and type in modprobe apm.... is there a way to make this do it upon boot up?01:03
LasseLI get this error from synaptic when trying to upgrade firefox: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox_1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package mozilla-firefox01:03
benwcis there a way to recompile my kernel w/ ip alias support?01:03
LasseL-- and now I can't open firefox to google the error :/01:03
Seveasbenwc, yes01:04
crimsunNicP: sorry01:04
zukalkLasseL, don't use FF. use Epiphany or Galleon01:04
naliothLasseL: use galeon, epiphany, kazehakase or other browser01:04
zukalkLasseL, or even links2 ;)01:04
IIIEarsLasseL - add another broweser links,lynx (text only or gecko,epiphany. etc01:04
benwcSeveas have you ever compiled w/ ip alias?01:04
Seveasinstall the kernel-source and kernel-package packages, run make menuconfig to enable it and recompile with make-kpkg (for more dtails: see that website and the manpages)01:04
benwcI seriosuly need help01:04
jcapotezukalk: whats wrong with FF01:05
Seveasbenwc, no, but these are generic instructions that sould work for kernels where it is in the source :)01:05
zukalkjcapote, nothing, but LasseL couldn't get it to run01:05
LasseLhmm, any hint on what might cause my error01:05
zukalkjcapote, to install, i mean01:05
wildrabbit_Seveas, how do I run it?01:06
IIIEarsFF most recent update cause problems with D/L links?update01:06
wildrabbit_sudo /etc/webmin doesn't work01:06
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catolhOk, so.. DMA settings, i cant enable dma on hdc when im in x.. so i add it in my hdparm.conf.. but how do i enable dma on both my cdrw and my dvdrw's ?01:06
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zukalki personally use Opera01:06
La_PaRCaubotu tell me about codecs01:06
vader1102zukalk: so do I01:06
cut0ffzukalk I'll give a try to Opera01:07
zukalkcut0ff, good ;)01:07
IIIEarsIs Opera free?01:07
SeveasIIIEars, no01:07
jcapoteit is, if you want to see an ad all day01:07
zukalkwell, yes and no01:07
Seveasit's expensive and buggy ;)01:07
vader1102yes IIIEars, but there is a buy it version too01:07
zukalkSeveas, buggy?01:07
IIIEarsSeveas - ah - yes now i remember. @#$#@-!01:08
benwcis there an alternative to compiling a kernel for multiple IP support on one eth?01:08
phixionfirefox > opera01:08
jcapotenot as buggy as 20 second delay dimmer keys :)01:08
Seveaszukalk, as a web developer i find all browsers buggy, don't pay too much attention to it :)01:08
cut0ffzukalk does Opera have extensions like FF?01:08
zukalkSeveas, ah, well then.. ;)01:08
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zukalkcut0ff, it already has a lot of features that in FF are extensions01:09
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zukalkcut0ff, like mouse gestures, for instance01:09
Seveaszukalk, last time i tried opera, css sucked too hard to be true01:09
Seveasbut that was quite a while ago :)01:09
cut0ffzukalk thanks mate01:09
IIIEarsgive me konquerer or FF or give me death. - patrick henry?01:09
zukalklol01:09
catolhand how do i get navigational buttons in the file explorer?.. :o01:09
catolhlooked everywhere.. :\01:10
Doonzcatolh did you get an answer?01:10
Seveascatolh, set it to 'always open in browser windows'01:10
catolhDoonz, what? the dma thingie?01:10
Doonzyeah01:10
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phaeri tried osb-browser ALPHA yesterday01:10
catolhWell, i got it to enable dma on my hdc01:10
Doonzyeah01:10
Doonzbut about the cdr and dvdr01:10
catolhbut dont i need to enable it on my cd roms?01:10
Doonzit should be cause its faster01:11
zukalkspeaking of which.. will Breezy's nautilus use spatial by default?01:11
phaerit works with gtk-webcore ... will be nice when it's finished ;)01:11
Seveaszukalk, yes, just like wartys and hoarys nautilus...01:11
wildrabbit_Seveas, how do I run it?01:11
IIIEarscatolh - this link is pretty good (worked for me.)01:11
IIIEarshttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=263840#post26384001:11
catolhDoonz, well.. when i look in /dev/ i have cdrom , cdrom1 , cdrw and cdrw1.. and i only have a cdrw and a dvdrw01:11
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Doonzhmm01:12
zukalkSeveas, thanks. i switched back to spatial a few hours ago, i'm gonna give it a 2nd shot01:12
cut0ffSeveas I'm disapointed01:12
Seveaswildrabbit_, webmin gives you an interface via a webpage, you should read the webmin documentation in /usr/share/webmin01:12
Seveascut0ff, with what..?01:12
Seveaszukalk, spatial isn't that bad. The 'Ubuntu' spatial sucks though...01:12
catolhIIIEars, ooh.. so i need a Via module?01:12
cut0ffSeveas about what you said01:12
vinboyany good mp3 player for linux?01:13
phixionmuine01:13
Seveascut0ff, i've said like a zillion things....01:13
Seveasvinboy, beep-media-player, muine, totem, rhythmbox, vlc...01:13
vinboythx01:13
IIIEarserm - there is usable info a little further down the page.01:13
zukalkSeveas, how's it different from others?01:13
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cut0ffSeveas "yes, just like wartys and hoarys nautilus..."01:13
Seveaszukalk, normal spatial doesn't close the parent if you open a child folder01:13
phixionimo mplayer and vlc for video, muine for audio01:13
vader1102I am out for a while, need to do some email and all of that stuff. Later folks01:13
goodtodwhat is the gnome applet I can install to see the wireless signal strength and other wifi info?01:14
Seveascut0ff, ah, well it's a matter of preference :)01:14
zukalkSeveas, have you tried double clicking a window with the middle mouse button? ;)01:14
Seveascut0ff, and it won't magically change your settings, so if you have it in browser mode now it will be in breezy too01:14
Seveaszukalk, i have no such button (laptop)01:14
zukalkahuman01, i see01:14
zukalkehm, ah, i see*01:14
resiakSeveas: Yes you do. Use both buttons together.01:14
zukalkdamn auto complete01:14
IIIEarsbe careful with webmin - a few exploits seem to always be floating around for it. - enable it when you need it.01:14
Seveasresiak, I hate that...01:15
vinboyhow can I apt-get beep-media-player?01:15
Seveasvinboy, sudo apt-get install beep-media-player01:15
nukyhave any of you tried splitvt? would you recommend it for use with vim? i miss having the console in the editor like in kate..01:15
Seveasvinboy, you need universe enabled for that01:15
resiakSeveas: WFM01:15
Seveasresiak, hm?01:15
catolhIIIEars, the via82cxxx is included in the ubuntu package by default right? i just have to add it to modules?01:15
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resiakSeveas: Works for me :)01:15
Seveasah :)01:15
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zukalkresiak, thanks, didn't know that. much more practical than middle button ;)01:16
resiakzukalk: Yeah.01:16
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zukalkbut it should be the other way round01:16
zukalkleft button -> new window | both/middle -> same01:17
cut0ffSeveas  why don't use aptitude instead of apt-get?01:17
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vinboySeveas, how do I turn universe enabled?01:17
cut0ffSeveas it's pretty suitable01:17
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Seveascut0ff, I use aptitude all the time ;)01:18
flipyI've set up apache2, php and mysql (thanks to Seveas) but, do I have to enable <Directory> config for each one in /var/www?01:18
Seveasvin: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto01:18
Seveasvin: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3801:18
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Seveasflipy, no...01:18
flipywell, so that's weird, cuz I can run testphp.php01:19
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IIIEarscaolh - the table here explains how to check if dma is active and the switches available for hdparm - http://www.linuxnetmag.com/en/issue7/m7hdparm1.html01:19
IIIEarscatolh01:19
anneabout opera, its downloaded to my desktop, what do i write when i am in terminal modus, install that downloaded opera correctly? cd desktop i know, but after that01:19
flipybut I've installed drupal (/var/www/drupal) and trying to run index.php from drupal just downloads a file (with php code on it)01:19
vinboythx man01:19
flipyanne: it is a .deb package?01:19
Seveasflipy, that's odde....01:19
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sacoolanne dpka -i filename.deb01:20
catolh!dma01:20
sacooldpkg i mean ;)01:20
flipySeveas: haven't seen any <Directory /var/www> on /etc/apache2/apache2.conf01:20
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IIIEarsSeveas - should apache  mime-magic be adjusted for php?01:20
josePhoenix\o01:20
SeveasIIIEars, no01:21
josePhoenixwhat is the package name for TCL?01:21
Seveasflipy, can you paste your /etc/apache2/apache2.conf on a pastebin please01:21
annei have to get it whit little tea spoons, again01:21
jcapoteflipy: your going to need to add the .php type to apache01:21
crimsunjosePhoenix: tcl8.x01:21
holycowjosePhoenix, apt-cache search tcl01:21
SeveasjosePhoenix, tcl8.3 or 8.401:21
josePhoenixthanks \o01:21
phixionthis is driving me mad now... I can't dload anything from links in firefox, it just does nothing. any ideas?01:21
sacoolphixion try opera...01:22
Seveasphixion, latest FF is buggy01:22
holycowvery01:22
Seveasdowngrade to the previous Ubuntu package01:22
IIIEarsphixion - same thing here i think after an update. right click to save seems to work. - is that what you are seeing?01:22
phixionyeah, but i cant right click save some stuff01:22
phixionthats why its annoying :)01:22
flipySeveas: http://pastebin.com/31937601:22
holycowSeveas, thats an option? i thought the repository always had the latest?01:22
Seveaswget http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefox-gnome-support_1.0.2-0ubuntu5.3_i386.deb01:23
Seveaswget http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefox_1.0.2-0ubuntu5.3_i386.deb01:23
Seveasdpkg -i mozilla*.deb01:23
holycowdanke01:23
Seveasde.archive still has the previous :)01:23
phixionSeveas, is that how i downgrade?01:23
holycowits funny you guys posting this, i just uninstall ff for that reason01:23
anneit just says command not found01:23
catolhIIIEars, Thanks alot for the link you gave me. It worked when i loaded the via82cxxx :)01:23
Seveasphixion, yes01:23
flipyanne: can you run dpkg --help?01:23
phixionthanks mate01:24
sacoolanne when u wriet dpkg -i ??01:24
Seveasflipy, did you change any of the apache config files yourself?01:24
LasseLI tried downgrading firefox with: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox=1.0.2-0ubuntu5 mozilla-firefox-gnome-support=1.0.2-0ubuntu501:25
phixionSeveas, them links arent working, got any others?01:25
flipySeveas: no, but I do had a lot of troubles (removing and uninstalling everything several times)01:25
LasseLbut I get: firefox-gnome-support: Depends: firefox (= 1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5) but it is not going to be installed01:25
Seveasphilc, ah bugger, must have been removed01:25
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SeveasLasseL, that's what you get for using backport crap :)01:25
Seveasphixion, hang on01:25
holycowSeveas, error 404 on the wget linkage?] 01:25
LasseLSeveas, what do you mean?01:26
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LasseLSeveas, FF was on the system by default. Yes, I enabled some extra repositories, but how can that break FF now01:26
SeveasLasseL, you enabled backports01:27
zukalkhey i was trying to install Galeon using apt, but it's saying that some dependencies cannot be satisfied (mozilla-browser, galeon-common). my sources.list is fine, i even tried using the list at paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3801:27
SeveasFF from backports is even crappier....01:27
sataereCan anyone tell me why installing the cweb package gets rid of tetex, when it is dependent on tetex?!01:27
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LasseLSeveas, but how did I get that instead of the default one?01:27
holycowSeveas, any other repositories with that particular package? the wget above 404's on me01:27
SeveasLasseL, because you enabled backports and tan apt-get upgrade....01:27
benwcwhat an adventure it is bulding a kernel ;)01:28
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Seveasholycow, am uploading it to my own server now...01:28
holycowwoot!01:28
holycow:) u rock bro!01:28
phixionthank Seveas01:28
phixionthanks*01:28
phixionwill this uninstall the firefox i have now? or should I do it manually?01:28
LasseLSeveas, so a package from another repository can "upgrade" one from the official?01:28
cut0ffholycow what repos are you using?01:28
SeveasLasseL, yes....01:29
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vmhhey01:29
holycowstandard ubuntu repos01:29
holycowuk i think01:29
LasseLthat sucks, it didn't tell me that01:29
vmhI'm having some problems installing java.. can anyone help me?01:29
Seveasphixion, holycow, private message :)01:29
Seveasvmh: To install java on Ubuntu: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, sudo aptitude install fakeroot java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , sudo dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 01:29
flipyvmh: have you tried ubuntuguide.org?01:29
Seveasflipy, please don't advise that site...01:30
sproingie!ubuntuguide01:30
ubotufrom memory, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.01:30
aru_how do I get the archive manager so support rar?01:30
vmhno thanks, but I've downloaded the file, and tried to follow the install guide at the java site01:30
cut0ffholycow I mean what backportas are you using?01:30
flipyok sorry Seveas01:30
Seveasaru_, install rar (it costs money)01:30
vmhno, thanks that is01:30
Seveasvmh, that is the bad way on Ubuntu....01:30
holycowcut0ff, i don't use backports, i don't consider it a good idea01:30
vmhok01:30
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sproingiei have backports pinned, it seems stable enough01:31
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holycowby its very nature backports simply cannot be trusted01:31
Seveassproingie, backports are quite ok, but the backported FF pacakges are very bad01:31
holycowi want a system that works basically01:31
sproingiethats a strong statement01:31
cut0ffholycow I'm sorry01:31
annei cant figure it out, first i writ cd desktop, then i write????????????its opera its all about, and its saved on my desktop, just a matter of getting it to work,01:31
LasseLsproingie, did you upgrade to the latest firefox?01:31
holycowcut0ff, no need to appologize :)01:31
sproingieLasseL: nope.  is the latest one broken?01:31
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Seveassproingie, yes01:32
holycowi don't mean to dis the project at all infact01:32
LasseLsproingie, wont even start on my system01:32
sproingiehuh.  sucks01:32
Seveassproingie, FF devs broke it again01:32
sproingiei have the latest on windows, works fine01:32
holycowthats pretty much what ff devs test to01:32
phixionlol, worked great thx Seveas :D01:33
D1does anyone know how I could change kde/qt fonts without having the entire kde installed?01:33
SeveasD1, qtconfig oslt01:33
holycowD1, install kde control center01:33
holycowor that01:33
IRCMonkeyD1, yeah, kcontrol I think01:34
holycow:)01:34
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sacoolanne try this cd Desktop and then dpgk -i opera-static_8.01-20050615.1-qt_en_i386.deb01:34
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SeveasD1, qt3-qtconfig01:34
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D1ok, I'll try all those, cept kcontrol unless it comes in its own package.01:35
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D1I installed qt/kdelibs for kftpgrabber01:35
D1the only decent ftp client for linux.01:35
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SeveasD1, you should have installed them from the Ubuntu repositories....01:36
IRCMonkeyDoes everyone get that weird "It is not possible to upgrade all packages." "mozilla-firefox" "mozilla-firefox-gnome-support" error when they run the ubuntu updater?01:36
Seveasah nvm01:36
Seveasmisread it01:36
IRCMonkeygftp is pretty good01:36
D1I installed from kubuntu repo01:36
D1gftp is terrible and lacks options for me.01:36
SeveasD1, yeah I read that line wrong :)01:36
IRCMonkeyreally?01:36
IRCMonkeyI use it for SFTP a lot01:36
IRCMonkeydoes the job I guess01:36
resiaklftp !01:36
sataereCan anyone help me?  I write in CWEB, and CWEB needs gcc and tetex to be fully functional.  (It is even listed as a dependency of tetex-bin.)  But when I try to install it, it tries to get rid of tetex!01:36
resiakscp and zsh tab-completion!01:36
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IRCMonkeyresiak: does lftp use gtk?01:37
annethank you sacool, i did it on my computer earlier this evening, but when i should help my husband i had forgotten what to write, no i have written it down, thank you01:37
LasseLSeveas, how can one see where a package comes from?01:37
IRCMonkeyahh console eh?01:37
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holycowi'm going to try using galeon for a while01:37
SeveasLasseL, apt-cache policy $packagename01:37
holycowi'm going to miss a few extensions i think01:37
flipySeveas: how does look an sites-avilable file for apache2?01:38
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zukalkholycow, tell me if you have problems installing Galeon01:38
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D1hmm, I think qt-config only controls pure qt apps01:38
Seveassataere, cweb uses libkpathsea which replaces tetex01:38
D1not kde apps01:38
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LasseLfirefox-gnome-support:  Installed: 1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp501:38
Seveassataere, apt-cache show libkpathsea301:39
holycowzukalk, installed, seems to be working fine :)01:39
LasseLis that a backport?01:39
SeveasLasseL, yes01:39
LasseLSeveas, how do you see that?01:39
Seveaspackage with ubp in the version are backports01:39
zukalkholycow, damn :P i have no idea why it doesn't work with me01:39
LasseLok01:39
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resiakInvisible: It's console and is awesome.01:39
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holycowi like ff, the one thought i had while Seveas helped out with the ff issue was that ff is highly windows centric in its approach.  galeon is more integrated into the gnome desktop so lets see how it performs01:40
holycowzukalk, really?01:40
ubuntu_can windows apps be installed in UBUNTU?01:40
holycowopen up console and start up galeon from there? to give you a quick peek as to what might be going on?01:40
Seveasubuntu_, some can01:40
Seveasusing wine01:40
zukalkholycow, really. says dependencies cannot be satisfied (mozilla-browser, galeon-common)01:40
cut0ffubuntu_ have a try to wine01:41
holycowzukalk, change to another repository server?01:41
holycowenable universe just to try?01:41
sataereSeveas, Doesn't that say tetex (<<2.0) ?  Tetex is version 2.0.201:41
annesorry sacool it didnt work, i have to try again tomorrow01:41
zukalkholycow, it is enabled01:41
Seveassataere, it conflicts with tetex-lib which is required for tetex-bin01:41
resiakInvisible: Sorry, wrong tab completion.01:41
holycowSeveas, thanks, ff works fine again!  of course the update applet wants me to update it now   ...   >_>01:42
teferigood god, "BinaryDriverHowto" for sl-modem is so wrong01:42
Seveasholycow, just ignore that for now01:42
teferithis is fucking 2005, we have m-a01:42
Seveasnext Ubuntu version is due monday01:42
zukalkholycow, i'm using the ubuntu.com rep server01:42
holycowzukalk, *hmm* there has to be a way01:42
toresbeteferi: Please fix it then. (Really, please do!)01:43
Seveasteferi, feel free to improve it, it's a wiki01:43
holycowlet me post my sources.list file01:43
zukalk#flood?01:43
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teferiSeveas: remind me tomorrow, i'm at a party01:43
teferii'm not spending my beer time on a wiki ;)01:43
thingfishyay! for parties.01:43
sataereSeveas, But CWEB and libksea3 are both utilities for TeX..why would they conflict with it?!  >.<01:43
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Seveassataere, ENOCLUE....01:43
cut0ffho ho ho01:44
holycowhttp://pastebin.com/319386  <--- easier than #flood01:44
alexlunahi01:44
Seveassataere, even worse: tetex-bin simply conflicts: cweb01:44
alexlunahow i can install the flashplugin in my PPC01:45
alexluna?01:45
vinboythe beep-media-player and xmms freeze whenever i try to play an mp301:45
Seveasalexluna, you can't01:45
vinboyanyone know why01:45
Seveasvinboy: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound01:45
vinboyoh ic01:45
vinboylet me try01:45
cut0ffalexluna try aptitude install 'flashplugin-nonfree'01:45
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alexlunaok ok01:46
alexlunai try01:46
vinboyit froze when I select esound from the dropdown list01:46
Seveascut0ff, that's not available for ppc...01:46
alexlunaii will try01:46
cut0ffSeveas oops01:46
Xbizzleam i in the n00b need simple bit of help section?01:46
cut0ffSeveas sorry01:46
zukalkholycow, let's try now with your sources.list01:46
holycowyeah, i'm curious01:47
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Seveasvinboy, i had that too, open ~/.xmms/config (or ~/.bmp/config) in a text editor and search for a line with output_plugin01:47
vinboySeveas, ok... hold on01:47
Seveasit should look like: output_plugin=/usr/lib/bmp/Output/libesdout.so01:47
Seveasor for xmms: output_plugin=/usr/lib/xmms/Output/libesdout.so01:47
D1thanks guys, kcontrol worked and it wasn't that terrible of a download.01:48
zukalk*&#@$.. still doesn't work01:48
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sataereSeveas, This is making me miss Gentoo!  ;.;01:48
vinboySeveas, weird. there is not config file in my .bmp01:48
Seveaszukalk, did you do apt-get update after editing sources.list?01:48
thingfishmisfit_toy: hello hello01:49
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zukalkSeveas, yes twice01:49
AMCDeathKnightHELP!01:49
Seveasvinboy, wget http://ubuntulinux.nl/~dennis/config -O ~/.bmp/config01:49
AMCDeathKnightI get this:01:49
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holycowzukalk, i find that very hard to believe, i JUST installed it :/01:50
holycow*hmmm*01:50
Seveassataere, I never used cweb myself, but it looks like cweb does not need tetex and uses libkpathsea...01:50
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vinboyThe requested URL /~dennis/config -O ~/.bmp/config was not found on this server.01:50
AMCDeathKnighttrying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package mozilla-firefox01:50
AMCDeathKnightdpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)01:50
AMCDeathKnightErrors were encountered while processing:01:50
AMCDeathKnight /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox_1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5_i386.deb01:50
AMCDeathKnightE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)01:50
AMCDeathKnighthelp?01:50
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holycowzukalk, are/were you running hoary?01:50
SeveasAMCDeathKnight, never paste in here....01:50
holycowdid you do any backports stuff?01:50
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zukalkholycow, yes01:50
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ChurcH_of_FoamYhi all ^_^01:50
Xbizzlecrap this s a busy channel!!!!!!!01:51
Seveasvinboy, don't put quotes around it01:51
DaSkreechCan You spring load the folders in Gnome?01:51
holycowzukalk, yes to which part?01:51
holycowoh and01:51
Seveasjust put that line in a terminal...01:51
FarmerBob`I'm having trouble with apt-get in hoary01:51
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zukalkholycow, i am* using Hoary01:51
vinboySeveas, I found my config file now !!01:51
holycowpastebing your install logs from apt so we can take a look?01:51
ChurcH_of_FoamYSeveas, hi ^_^01:51
SeveasFarmerBob`, the problems being..?01:51
zukalkholycow, and what do you mean by backports stuff?01:51
SeveasChurcH_of_FoamY, hi :)01:51
FarmerBob`trying to install wine, I get "Ign http://wine.sourceforge.net binary/ Packages" when doing "apt-get update"01:51
vinboySeveas, so do I delete the line that say output_plugin?01:52
sataereSeveas, CWEB is a utility that lets you write tex and C into one file, and the utility will seperate it into a TeX file (great looking documentation) and a C file (not great looking, but it compiles fine).  Without a tex compiler, the tex file can't be converted into documentation.01:52
apollo2011I just added a program to my startup and wanted to make sure it started properly and rebooted.  I told it to save my session and Log Out, it popped up and said my session was saved but didn't log me out. So I logged out again, not saving the session.  When I logged back in, it froze while it said it was loading Metacity.  Is there something I can delete in my config to get it to start?01:52
SeveasFarmerBob`, that's normal01:52
Seveassataere, hmm01:52
FarmerBob`and it won't find wine for apt-get install wine01:52
holycowzukalk, that means your not using backports, so you should have a standard hoary install, good01:52
Xbizzleme need help with basic problem! with installation any takers?01:52
holycowpastebin the results of trying to install galeon so we can see the errors01:52
ChurcH_of_FoamYoh great they broke both versions of firefox now >.<01:52
zukalkholycow, i had the backports in the reps, and i use them from time to time01:52
Seveassataere, then you should file a bug at bugzilla.ubuntu.com01:52
sataereSeveas, Okay.01:53
zukalkholycow, atm, they're commented01:53
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Seveasvinboy, you change it01:53
ChurcH_of_FoamYhey i have update's for ubuntu in my update manager are they safe?01:53
Seveasit should look like: output_plugin=/usr/lib/bmp/Output/libesdout.so01:53
holycowzukalk, that almost certainly has something to do with it01:53
holycowsomething in y our install is the wrong versin01:53
SeveasChurcH_of_FoamY, NO01:53
holycowpastebing your galeon install messages plz01:53
apollo2011anyone have any idea what I could do to get Gnome to load?01:53
SeveasChurcH_of_FoamY, these are just as broken...01:53
ChurcH_of_FoamYshit so don't update?01:53
vinboySeveas, ok cool.. it works now on xmms but not beep-media-player01:53
vinboybut its ok01:54
vinboyi'll play around it with it01:54
vinboythanks alot Seveas01:54
Seveasapollo2011, rm ~/.ICEauthority ~/.Xauthority01:54
apollo2011Seveas: thx will try01:54
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FarmerBob`how do I get apt-get to install wine?01:54
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holycowwow, i just opened up 100 tabs from one of my bookmark folders in galeon01:55
AMCDeathKnighthelo?01:55
AMCDeathKnightphew hmm01:55
ChurcH_of_FoamYSeveas, so don't install the updates in the update manager?01:55
holycowgaleon really handles caching a lot differently from ff01:55
holycowneat01:55
AMCDeathKnightsoryr i didnt know i couldnt paste01:55
SeveasChurcH_of_FoamY, no :)01:55
ChurcH_of_FoamYok01:55
SeveasAMCDeathKnight, common sense (and the channel topic) should tell you that...01:55
ChurcH_of_FoamYthanx i thought i'd check first to see what was what01:55
AMCDeathKnightI need help with firefox it wont update01:55
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AMCDeathKnightnor will it run01:56
SeveasAMCDeathKnight, how did you install it?01:56
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Seveasdo NOT use the backports package (your paste shows you are trying to)01:56
sphEvening All.01:57
Seveasevenin' sph01:57
AMCDeathKnightit was installed; when i installed my operating system, but i apt'd it to the new version but it says something about cannot overwite01:57
AMCDeathKnighti dont know, im quite new to linux so i dont know01:57
SeveasAMCDeathKnight, simply don't use the backports repository then01:57
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AMCDeathKnightoh ok, so remove it and thats it?01:57
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AMCDeathKnighttry the other ones01:57
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sphWhat is the backports stuff anyway?01:58
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Seveassph, breezy ackages compiled in a hoary environment01:58
Seveassph, with no guarantee that they work :)01:58
jeranHow do I use remote connect on Ubuntu?01:58
Seveasjeran, 'remote connect'?01:58
jeranremote connection, connecting to a computer not in my room01:59
sphSeveas: ah, thanks01:59
FarmerBob`ssh?01:59
ChurcH_of_FoamYthere was an tv commercail for an free internet music service and i can't remember what the name was >.<01:59
jeranHere is what i'm trying to do..01:59
ChurcH_of_FoamYany one know?01:59
nonedeadrapsty01:59
FarmerBob`emule01:59
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AMCDeathKnightmy friend connects to his linux computer with ssh and soomething called webadmin01:59
^thehatsrule^webmin?01:59
sphwebadmin is good: web based interface.01:59
Seveaswebmin02:00
jeranI have a desktop with Windows XP and a laptop with Ubuntu on it, I want to beable to connect to my laptop through my desktop and control it, without using ssh because I'd like a graphical interface.. I know Windows to Windows this can be done, I thought I read that it could be done Windows to Linux as well...02:00
AMCDeathKnightoh ok02:00
sphwebmin02:00
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Seveaswebmin is a spawn of the devil :02:00
sphrather02:00
zukalkwtf? my gcc-4.0-base is a backport !  :|02:00
sphno, its pretty good02:00
Seveasjeran, so you want a GUI connection from windows to linux?02:00
^thehatsrule^lol its just easy to use02:00
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jeranI'd prefer it, but if I can't i'll just use SSH02:00
Seveasjeran, Ubuntu has a VNC server built in02:00
AMCDeathKnightoh no; the new firefox hasnt been uploaded to he respoisitories02:01
Seveassystem -> prefs -> remote desktop02:01
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jeranHow do I 'start' it?02:01
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Seveasgo to that menu :)02:01
Seveasyou will need a vnc viewer for windows02:01
catolhArgh, i still cant get my bluetooth usb adapter to work.. Is there a driver necessary for it to work? I've already installed gnome-bluetooth, and ubuntu detects my usb adapter in device manager.02:01
jeranI don't see VNC Server anywhere.... What else could it be called?02:02
Seveasjeran, system -> preferences -> remote desktop02:02
Seveasthat's the whole thing...02:02
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AMCDeathKnighti removed the backports but there is no other firefox installtion on any of the others i have set up02:02
SeveasAMCDeathKnight, removing backports from the sources.lixt will not magically downgrade it...02:03
CueballHi I dont have anything in the keyboard layout section of my KDE control panel. Could I be missing a package or do I need to change a driver or something? Do anyone else have this problem?02:03
catolh!bluetooth02:03
ubotucatolh: Wish i knew02:03
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catolh:o02:03
teferi catolh what do you want to do with it?02:03
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teferier02:03
teferistick a comma somewhere in there02:03
AMCDeathKnighti romoved it from synaptic02:03
sphGood night all.02:03
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FarmerBob`I can't get apt-get to find a wine package for installation.   I followed all the instructions on the wine website for ubuntu, but I'm not having any luck with it02:03
BlazingSteakSauchas anyone had expereince with ubuntu on a novell network ?02:03
AMCDeathKnightbut now its telling me its listed there; but no one has uploaded it so i cant download it02:03
catolhteferi, mostly connect to my SE T610 and send pictures/ringtones etc..02:03
vinboyhow do I install sking for beep-mp?02:03
tefericatolh: easy02:04
CueballFarmerBob`: Type apt-cache search package02:04
jeranSeveas: Thanks.. Now where can I get the VNC Viewer?02:04
vinboyi downloaded the xmms skin for beep-mp02:04
teferiinstall bluez-utils, bluez-pin, bluez-hcidump, and gnome-bluetooth02:04
catolhteferi, could you walk me through it? cause im kind of lost here. Tried everything02:04
teferitalk to me when you'vedone that02:04
catolhok02:04
BlazingSteakSaucno one?02:04
catolhi'll do that02:04
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Seveasjeran, google is your friend :)02:05
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FarmerBob`Cueball: "apt-cache search package wine" finds libwine and libwine-dev02:05
teferiSeveas: remind me to update BinaryDriverHowto for slmodem tomorrow, please02:05
ed1tlater Seveas02:05
teferiSeveas: and to write BluetoothHowto or osmething02:05
thingfishman, it's awful early here to be going to bed.02:05
qt2anyone know how to get grime that's stuck to a tightly packed circut board without destroying the board?02:05
Seveasthingfish, 2am here :)02:05
thingfishespecially on a Saturday.02:06
thingfishoh hehe Seveas that's different.02:06
catolhteferi, ok, im done02:06
thingfishnighty night then02:06
tefericatolh: okay. edit /etc/bluetooth/pin and put a PIN in there02:06
teferi4-6 digits, usually02:06
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teferipick one and remember it02:06
AMCDeathKnightbut now its telling me its listed there; but no one has uploaded it so i cant download it02:06
BlazingSteakSaucanyone know how to connected ubuntu to novell netware?02:07
catolhdone02:07
tefericatolh: after that, make your phone "discoverable" (I can't tell you the exact details for how to do that, because i don't have a t610), and run "hcitool scan" to find your phone's bluetooth address02:07
holycowwow, galeon has some nice gnome integration02:07
tefericatolh: it may also be called "Find Me"02:07
AMCDeathKnightI need firefox going as the only other broser I have is Lynx02:07
zukalkguess i learnt my lesson: backports, never again02:07
zukalkholycow, don't make jealous02:07
zukalkmake me*02:07
jeranHow do I find out my IP address of my system?02:08
catolhteferi, ok it found it02:08
holycowshow last page on startup? *oooo*02:08
tefericatolh: got the address?02:08
holycowzukalk, sorry ... you still didnt post yoru apt stuff to pastebin02:08
holycowwhy?02:08
LasseLifconfig or whatismyip.com02:08
tefericatolh: great. remember that for future reference - you won't need it now if all you want to do is send stuff to the phone02:08
holycowif we could see what libraries its saying you don't have we can help02:08
tefericatolh: now, run gnome-obex-send <file you want to send>02:09
teferihit refresh in the dialog box that pops up02:09
jeranLasseL: On Ubuntu02:09
holycowsave session on quit? okay this is just brilliant02:09
teferiselect your phone when it shows up and hit OK02:09
jeranLasseL: And I need it for my network, not my internet connection02:09
catolhteferi, ok.. nice and thanks :)02:09
teferiyour phone will ask you for a PIN. enter the PIN you picked.02:09
LasseLjeran, ifconfig02:09
zukalkholycow, ok, hold on02:09
teferiafter that, everything will be lovely02:09
BlazingSteakSaucxfce is great02:09
LasseLjeran, or System > Administration > Networking02:09
jeranLasseL: Sorry, I read that as iPconfig before, lol. I appologize02:09
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dabaRjeran: you will forever bear that on your conscience, and apology is not accepted;)02:10
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tefericatolh: any questions, just ask me, i've spent the last week wrangling bluetooth with my phone02:10
Adrosshow does one enable the 'debian menu'?02:10
teferiso i've got the process pretty much worked out02:10
teferiAdross: apt-get install menu-xdg02:11
teferiit might be menus-xdg02:11
catolhteferi, have you tried out the fma? :>02:11
teferifma?02:11
Adrossteferi: thanks02:11
catolhits like a phone manager for SE phones02:11
zukalkholycow, this is what i was using until an hour ago: http://pastebin.com/31939502:11
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catolhpretty cool, fma.sourceforge.net i think02:11
tefericatolh: i don't ahve a SE phone :(02:11
catolhoh.. :\02:12
tefericatolh: i'd give my eyeteeth to have one, though. i want that accessory menu support bad02:12
catolh:)02:12
dabaRAdross: there is a menu, and a menu-xdg02:12
tefericatolh: anyway, did that work?02:12
catolhtesting now02:12
zukalkholycow, now, i'm simply using this http://pastebin.com/31939602:12
holycowzukalk, in your terminal do sudo apt-get install galeon02:12
holycowand pastebing everything from the terminal02:12
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Adrossteferi: so i restart x, then i can enable it?02:13
holycowheh, galeon can have the same bookmark in MULTIPLE categories02:13
dabaRAdross: killall gnome-panel will also work likely.02:13
holycowokay now thats l33t02:13
catolhteferi, it works :D Awesome, thanks02:13
tefericatolh: woo! glad to help02:13
catolh:D02:13
tefericatolh: you have no idea how much googling this took to find out D:02:13
zukalkholycow, http://pastebin.com/31939802:13
catolhhehe :)02:14
catolhgoogle is your friend.. ^02:14
zukalkholycow, it basically says it can't satisfy some dependencies, and asks me to fill a bug report02:14
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teferiwell, now you benefit from my experience02:14
holycow-_-02:14
AdrossdabaR: nope, trying to do it through smeg02:14
catolhand im thankfull :)02:14
AdrossdabaR: should i just restart x?02:14
dabaRsure I dont see why not.02:15
bluefoxicyOK02:15
bluefoxicyI got a netgear WG511T02:15
zukalkholycow, not sure if babel will do. does it have portuguese?02:15
bluefoxicyhelp me make it work.  I stuck it in the PCMCIA slot and nothing happened.02:15
zukalk:P02:15
dabaRbluefoxicy: thats all you tried?02:15
bluefoxicythe HCL says it works with ubuntu.02:15
holycowzukalk, well galeon requires mozilla-browser package02:16
bluefoxicydabaR: ifconfig has no entry for it, the networking and wireless selection thing says nothing02:16
holycowthats it02:16
holycowjust find the version its asking for02:16
dabaRbluefoxicy: google, and also look at the wifihowto wiki02:16
bluefoxicydabaR:  get it so I can click on netapplet and have the "Wireless networks" menu entry ungrayed and I'll be happy.02:16
bluefoxicydabaR: it says works out of the box for network install.s02:16
holycowdownload the 1.7.5 or greater .deb file, dpkg -i mozilla-browser.whatever.deb and then install galeon02:16
bluefoxicyand for an installed system.02:16
holycowthats all its asking for02:16
dabaRbluefoxicy: I wont get it anything, sorry, I dont use wireless in linux yet(iBook G4...)\02:16
holycow#02:16
holycowhe packages to follow have not satisfied dependences:02:16
holycow#02:16
holycow  galeon: It depends: to mozilla-browser (> = 2:1.7.5) but do not go to be installed02:16
holycow#02:16
holycowE: Packages with problems02:16
holycowoops, sorry, meant that in one line02:17
bluefoxicydabaR:  kay.02:17
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signbarnI finally figured out what happened to break my smeg when I installed Netbeans.02:17
pluffsyhello02:17
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holycowapt-cache search mozilla-browser in your terminal, and tell us what version you have available02:17
pluffsywhat sites do you visit to get news and info about ubuntu, free software, etc?02:17
zukalkholycow, i can't install mozilla-browser02:17
holycowbut thats all you gotta do, find that moz package, install it and galeon will be happy02:17
holycowwhy?02:17
signbarnthe .desktop file that netbeans put into /usr/share didn't give read access to smeg (different user -- root or something) and smeg couldn't load because of it.02:17
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AMCDeathKnightIm having trouble; firefox is not opening02:18
AMCDeathKnightand i cant upgradde to the new version02:18
zukalkgave me an error about nspr4 or whatever it was02:18
zukalkholycow02:18
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dabaRAMCDeathKnight: removed reinstalled yet?02:19
AMCDeathKnightHow can i remove it02:19
holycowzukalk, then you need to track that down02:19
holycowand fix it02:19
AdrossdabaR: didn't work, thanks for the help anyway02:19
holycowi bet its because you installed something from backports02:19
AMCDeathKnightit was02:19
zukalkholycow, turns out it was a ubp too. i forced the version to hoary-security, gonna try to install mozilla-browser now02:19
AMCDeathKnightlol02:19
holycowthat upgraded something moz needs and now it wont install02:19
dabaRsudo aptitude remove mozilla-firefox02:19
holycowgaleon simply requires moz, thats it02:19
dabaRsudo aptitude install mozilla-firefox02:19
AMCDeathKnightthanks02:20
AMCDeathKnightwhat does thatd o02:20
dabaRremove and install mozilla-firefox.02:20
AMCDeathKnightarh02:20
AMCDeathKnightkewl02:20
thingfishI wonder why ubuntu uses sudo instead of just su - .02:20
zukalkhmrocha, wait, mozilla-browser was successfully installed :)02:20
dabaRthingfish, there is wiki.ubuntu.com/rootsudo if you wanna read02:20
thoreauputic!rootsudo02:20
ubotusomebody said rootsudo was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo02:20
VeloxSHello, I'm having problems with installing WINE on Ubuntu...makedep problems apparently. I've posted the error here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/73502:20
LinuxJonesthingfish, it gives you more fine grain control02:21
holycowbecause you dont want to forget to exit out of the su account?02:21
zukalkhm*, damn autocompletion02:21
thingfishhey thank you, dabaR02:21
AMCDeathKnightstill doesnt work02:21
AMCDeathKnightits says no packages were installed02:21
bob2VeloxS: you know wine is in ubuntu, relady?02:21
VeloxSIs it?02:21
bob2yes02:21
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zukalkwait.. it's downloading galeon... !02:21
thingfishand thank you too, LinuxJones.02:21
zukalkPreconfiguring!02:21
zukalkDONE !02:21
AMCDeathKnightSo.. help?02:21
vinboyis evolution better than thunderbird for emailing?02:22
LinuxJonesthingfish, it only takes a few days to get used to :)02:22
thingfishwell, dabaR, that link just says that the page does not exist yet.02:22
holycowvinboy, depends on your definition of better02:22
ChurcH_of_FoamYhey wheres ubuntu offtopic?02:22
AMCDeathKnightfirefox still wont load02:22
ChurcH_of_FoamY!off topic02:22
ubotuChurcH_of_FoamY: Bugger all, i dunno02:22
zukalkwow! it's actually WORKING !02:22
hmrochazukalk, i guess that wasn't for me :)02:22
holycowevolution basically copies outlook and for example outlook just dumps everything to one folder02:22
hmrochazukalk, no problem02:22
holycowthats bad if you want to track multiple accounts simultaneously02:22
zukalkhmrocha, blame xchat ;)02:22
holycowbut it has its good points, its fast02:22
robert_pectolAMCDeathKnight:   Why not just download the firefox installer from their site and manually install it?02:23
AMCDeathKnighti cant02:23
zukalkholycow, thanks, you made me see the light02:23
ChurcH_of_FoamYanyone know where ubuntu off topic is? like the channel name?02:23
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holycowany time02:23
holycow>_>02:23
AMCDeathKnighti dont know how and all i have is firefox (which doesnt work) and the lynx broswer02:23
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holycowAMCDeathKnight, install galeon as an alternative02:23
holycowff is having problems currently02:23
AMCDeathKnightgaleon ok; never heard of it before02:24
holycowits a gnomified mozilla/ffox type browser02:24
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holycowapt-cache search galeon02:24
holycowits the offical gnome browser infact02:24
thoreauputic!info galeon02:24
VeloxSbob2: How do I access it then?02:24
ubotugaleon: (GNOME web browser for advanced users), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 1.3.20-1ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 671 kB, Installed size: 1560 kB02:24
nicoaldo the linux-wlan modules have to be compiled, or are there pre-made packages ?02:24
IIIEarsAMCDeathKnight, - If you have a fresh install deselect it from the updates. Oops! already installed? - Doh! me too.02:24
bob2VeloxS: same way you install any other packages02:25
AMCDeathKnightlol02:25
bob2nicoal: they're already included with the default ubuntu kernel02:25
AMCDeathKnightyeh already installed02:25
bob2VeloxS: they're in universe02:25
AMCDeathKnighti have tried02:25
nicoalbob2, prism2_pci?02:25
AMCDeathKnightand done aptitude thing02:25
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D1if only galeon depended on firefox instead of mozilla...02:25
AMCDeathKnightso; whats the command to install galoeon?02:26
bob2nicoal: don't you use orinoco for that?02:26
IIIEarsis it the mozilla engine or FireFox?02:26
thoreauputicAMCDeathKnight: sudo aptitude install galeon02:26
holycowboth are the same infact02:26
nicoalbob2, I get a buncha junk in syslog using orinoco/hermes02:26
Octaneis there no inotify module for ubuntu?02:26
bluefoxicymh02:26
bluefoxicymeh02:26
AMCDeathKnightthjanks02:26
bluefoxicyall the wireless stuff I see is general02:26
holycowall moz based apps use the gecko rendering engine02:26
bluefoxicyI'm not THAT far yet02:26
IIIEarsWill installing another mozilla based browser fix the problem?02:26
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bob2Octane: it's buggy02:26
bob2Octane: just wait for it to hit the mainline02:26
Octanebob2: i dont even see it in amd64 packages02:26
holycowno, it will let you use another browser until it is fixed02:26
bluefoxicythey all start assuming i know HTF to get the card workin!02:26
IIIEarsAh - "Gecko" okay.02:27
bob2Octane: yes, it's buggy02:27
holycowyou can import your bookmarks into galeon, then export them out again when you like02:27
bob2hence it was disabled02:27
AMCDeathKnight"galeon: Depends: mozilla-browser (>= 2:1.7.5) but it is not installable02:27
AMCDeathKnight"02:27
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AMCDeathKnightis not working02:27
Octanebob2: k thanks02:27
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zukalkAMCDeathKnight, i've just had that problem02:27
AMCDeathKnightoh02:27
VeloxSUniverse?02:27
robert_pectolAMCDeathKnight:   do a, "wget http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-1.0.6&os=linux&lang=en-US" to get firefox from their site.02:27
IIIEarssheesh - lynx is dull - lol02:27
AMCDeathKnighthwo did you fix it02:27
zukalkuse Synaptic and see what's wrong with mozilla-browser02:27
vinboyhow do I edit the menu when I right click on the taskbar?02:27
holycowAMCDeathKnight, yes,, you need to track down that version of mozilla and install it because galeon requires it02:28
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bluefoxicygirx02:28
bluefoxicyi have to go02:28
darkmatterIIIEars, why's it dull?02:28
AMCDeathKnightyay im getting the new version of firegfox from website02:28
AMCDeathKnighthopefull it works02:28
IIIEarsall text no graphics02:28
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holycowIIIEars, frankly, i'm starting to like lynx :) just for that reason!02:28
darkmatterbut text is fun ;)02:28
holycowyes, its actually USEFULL information :)02:29
holycowhehe02:29
AMCDeathKnighti use lynx for checking my website to see whether it is easy to read and navigate in text02:29
cut0ffvinboy have you look in the wiki?02:29
dabaRholycow, you are a tru masochist:)02:29
bluefoxicydamnit, and cardctl ident 0 always says no product info02:29
holycowdabaR, well only on weekends >_>02:29
bluefoxicywhat the fuck does that mean02:29
bluefoxicythat it can't find the card?02:29
bluefoxicydoes it even know I have PCMCIA?02:29
robert_pectolAMCDeathKnight:   once you get it, run the self-extracting binary and it will create a firefox installation directory, then just run the installer script.02:29
AMCDeathKnightinstaller script.. where is that?02:29
IIIEarsrobert_pectol, - gotta wonder if installing the FF browser from their site won't create problems later with the Ubuntu FF vers... - (shrug) dunno but guess it is worth a shot.02:30
dabaRisnide the installation directody you will get02:30
catolhHow is webcam support in ubuntu? Webcam's within Instant messagers.. like MSN clones..02:30
signbarnwhat's the command to remove a directory? i get an error when i use "rm" on a directory02:30
D1rm -r02:30
catolhsignbarn, rm -rf02:30
catolhor that02:30
cut0ffrmdir02:30
dabaRsignbarn: rmdir02:30
robert_pectolAMCDeathKnight:   you have to run the self-extracting binary that you're downloading and it will create an install dir.02:30
signbarnthanks :-)02:30
AMCDeathKnightok02:30
dabaRrmdir only removes empty dirs02:30
cut0ffor rm -rf02:30
holycowcatolh, all the linuxes are the same, if it works in one, it can be made to work in all02:31
robert_pectolIIIEars:   Yeah... guess we'll see! :-)02:31
signbarn'much obliged02:31
dabaRrm -r is recursive rm, removes everything under and including that folder.02:31
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holycowhowever what you might be trying to say, is it automagically preconfigured for you?02:31
AMCDeathKnightits finishing off download..02:31
catolhholycow, yeah figured that much. But is there any instant messagers out there for linux with webcam support?02:32
AMCDeathKnightCouldn't display "/home/luke/Firefox Setup 1.0.6.exe"02:32
holycowcatolh, gnome meeting?02:32
holycownever used it tho02:32
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dabaRmany webcams dont work.02:33
AMCDeathKnightthats  bad isnt it02:33
holycow*nod* big driver issues02:33
robert_pectolAMCDeathKnight:   go to the command prompt and execute the file...02:33
catolhdoes gnome meeting work like msn messenger or netmeeting?02:33
nicoalcatolh, gaim-vv, gnomemeeting?02:34
AMCDeathKnightok02:34
AMCDeathKnightwhats the command to execute? im new to linux02:34
D1execute what?02:34
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AMCDeathKnightan exe02:34
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D1you just type the program name in the termnial02:34
dabaRis there a .exe in your folder?02:34
robert_pectolAMCDeathKnight:   oh, and make sure it's attributes are set for executable...02:34
AMCDeathKnightok02:34
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elmagozizouHi.. Does anyone knows How to get information of the partitions on a Hard Drive from the GRUB command line?02:35
bluefoxicyok now that I got that out of the way02:35
Afromanhi guys02:35
Afromanquestion, what is wardriving??? what about warlinux02:35
robert_pectolAMCDeathKnight:   "chmod 755 Firefox\ Setup\ 1.0.6.exe"02:35
D1its like hunting for wireless APs02:35
bluefoxicyIf this thing says "CardBus bridge:  Texas Instruments:  Unknown device ac54 (rev 01)" does that mean I don't have PCMCIA?02:35
D1while driving02:35
D1and lame stuff like that.02:35
AMCDeathKnightcommand not found when i tried to run it02:36
robert_pectolAMCDeathKnight:   then just do, "./Firefox\ Setup\ 1.0.6.exe"02:36
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D1run what?02:36
AMCDeathKnightbash: Firefox Setup 1.0.6.exe: command not found02:36
bluefoxicyAMCDeathKnight:  what exactly are you trying to do02:36
grimsteris anyone here good wih SATA?02:36
robert_pectolAMCDeathKnight:   are you in the directory to which you downloaded the file?02:36
catolhgnome meeting just crashed tho.. :s02:36
othernoobrobert_pectol: are you new to linux?02:36
AMCDeathKnightYes02:36
bluefoxicyAMCDeathKnight:  i'm pretty sure whatever you're trying to do isn't going to wokr.02:37
AMCDeathKnighti c02:37
robert_pectolAMCDeathKnight:   it worked great here...02:37
AMCDeathKnighthmm02:37
IIIEarsrobert_pectol, - erm - i need a wget tip your link earned me the *.exe vers. -  grep liux to the link?02:37
mike_does ati mach64 support 3d in ubuntu?02:37
robert_pectolIIIEars:   it will still work... ignore the file extension!02:38
mike_with xorg that is02:38
darkmatterACMDeathKnight, do you have wine installed. You need it if you want to execute an exe02:38
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AMCDeathKnighthmm no idea, i think so02:38
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AMCDeathKnighti'll check with synaptic02:38
thoreauputicNEWS FLASH: Linux does not use *.exe02:38
IIIEarserm but it says mozilla/blah/win32/...02:38
AMCDeathKnightlibwine?02:39
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othernoobthoreauputic: and it never will ;)02:39
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darkmatterthen you should be able to rightr click (if you have wine) and select 'Open with Wine'02:39
LinuxJonesthoreauputic, :D02:39
thoreauputicothernoob: thank goodness ;)02:39
othernoobffs, AMCDeathKnight just get the LINUX VERSION of firefox02:39
IIIEarsthoreauputic - grep tip #101  what was wrong with this link? (scratches head)  wget http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-1.0.6&os=linux&lang=en-US02:39
robert_pectolmy bad... for some reason, the link grabbed the wrong version!  It should be a tar.gz...02:39
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AMCDeathKnightthat is i think the linux verison02:40
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Afromanquestion, what is wardriving??? what about warlinux02:40
othernoobAMCDeathKnight: hardly unlikely if it is an exe02:40
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AMCDeathKnightoh02:40
bluefoxicyhow about not messing with the installed base since ubuntu didn't use autopackage to install firefox in the first place02:40
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darkmatterlibwine, wine, wine-utils, winetools02:40
IIIEarsnvm02:41
robert_pectolAMCDeathKnight:   let me try to get you a better url from which to download..02:41
AMCDeathKnightthanks you robert02:41
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thoreauputicIIIEars: nothing afaics02:41
dabaRAfroman: wardriving is going around stealing wireless signal02:41
dabaRtry google, Afroman .02:41
dabaRor wikipedia02:41
jcapotei wouldnt say stealing02:41
bluefoxicytry wiki-- heh.02:41
darkmatterbut I agree with thoreauputic, use the linux version02:41
jcapoteyou dont "steal" radio stations from the air02:41
thoreauputicIIIEars: it seems to point at the tar.gz installer for linux...02:41
IIIEarsgoggle is a new users best friend - rofl - my google button has been worn shiny from over use.02:41
holycowIIIEars, ehe02:42
holycowthat sounds like a neat mozilla extension02:42
catolhthink i can use msn messenger with wine?.. :)02:42
robotgeekqt2, u there?02:42
holycowone that 'wears out' linkage on a page depending on clickage02:42
holycow:)02:42
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jcapotethey have something like that already, i thin its called a link cloud02:43
darkmatterholycow, which extension is that02:43
IIIEarsubotu tell me about google?02:43
AMCDeathKnightlol02:43
jcapotewhere links get bigger depending on how popular they are02:43
thoreauputiccatolh: why bother ? amsn or gaim work fine02:43
holycowdarkmatter, i meant to say 'that might be a cool extension to make'02:43
catolhyeah, but msn messenger has webcam support..02:43
zukalkthoreauputic, and they're not evil M$02:43
catolhi bet i cant get it to work anyway without the drivers though02:43
zukalkcatolh, wait for gaim's webcam plugin02:43
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darkmattercaltolh, gaim supports msn02:43
cut0ffcatolh too02:43
jcapotegnomemeeting?02:43
cut0ffcatolh Gaim too02:44
aru_!mp302:44
jcapoteevery windows box has netmeeting02:44
ubotumethinks mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support02:44
dabaRjcapote: I mean....um...its a little different, and dependent on law in a particular countrry, not people's opinion.02:44
darkmatterholycow, ah...I see02:44
catolhgnomemeeting didnt find my webcam02:44
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b-radEvening all :)02:44
AMCDeathKnighthi02:44
darkmatterHi, b-rad02:44
alexlunahi, how i can install w32codecs02:44
b-radanyone running the testing version of ubuntu?02:44
IIIEarsgaim and webcams - hrm. - "lonely sexy asian hot chick finding love with a cumquat. CLICK THIS LINK.) - lol02:45
dabaRalexluna: they are in backports02:45
darkmatteralexluna, sudo apt-get install w32codecs02:45
dabaRalexluna: backports.ubuntuforums.org more specifically.02:45
robert_pectolAMCDeathKnight:   ok... sorry for the bum steer : )   There is a redir for the link on their site and for some reason when wget trys to fetch it, it ends up grabbing the win32 version!02:45
alexlunathannks02:45
AMCDeathKnightoh ok02:45
cut0ffalexluna   have you added 'backports' to your sources.list?02:45
AMCDeathKnightis there away to fix it thou?02:46
robert_pectolAMCDeathKnight:   but this will get you the linux version: "wget http://205.188.221.241/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.0.6/linux-i686/en-US/firefox-1.0.6.installer.tar.gz"02:46
b-radthis might be a question for ubuntu-devel perhaps, but I can't seem to boot without using recovery mode using breezy02:46
alexlunano02:46
othernoobrobert_pectol: and you never noticed that when he said he had an .exe?02:46
alexlunai will02:46
AMCDeathKnightthanks robert!02:46
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IIIEarsrobert_pectol, terriffic. -Thank You.02:46
AMCDeathKnighti just have to wait 3 miniutes till wine stops downloading lol02:47
othernoobwhatever happened to using a browser to get something....02:47
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dabaRalexluna: remove them after you get w32codecs02:48
AMCDeathKnightxmms is good02:48
IIIEarsAMCDeathKnight, - let me know if you have any luck with files from XP. - noobs want to know - grin02:48
darkmatterAMCDeathKnight, you can also add deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports-staging main universe multiverse restricted to sources.list for the firefox 1.0.6 package02:49
cut0ffAMCDeathKnight BMP is better though02:49
AMCDeathKnightlol02:49
darkmatterthen sudo apt-get update02:49
AMCDeathKnighti dont trust backports anymore, thats the thng that gave me this error02:49
darkmatterinstall firefox using apt get or synaptic02:49
IIIEarsAMCDeathKnight, - don't forget to add the keys for those repos. no?02:50
darkmatterthen comment out the staging repository02:50
darkmatterand sudo apt-get update again02:50
dabaR19:46 < Afroman> ok02:51
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dabaR19:47 < Afroman> cddesjar, and wardriving is the applications used in warlinux for wireless purposses...02:51
dabaR19:47 < Afroman> cddesjar, is that correct???02:51
bob2so, yeah, backports-staging is the repository that made machines unbootable02:51
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dabaR19:48 < cddesjar> kind of...wardriving is the actual process of driving around looking for networks, while warlinux could be02:51
bob2I'd avoid it entirely02:51
AMCDeathKnightwhat about donwloading the tar file that robert got?02:51
dabaR                  thought of as the tool to be used to find these networks...it must have some special applications that are02:51
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darkmatterAMCDeathKnight, xmms is UGLY. Use BMP, its the same thing but with a pretty gtk+ interface02:51
jcapotei miss amarok02:52
bob2er02:52
bob2xmms and BMP look identical02:52
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bob2except that BMP has gtk2 menus02:52
IIIEarsAMCDeathKnight, - Using the straigh code from FF can/might create incompatibolities for us later. (ubuntu uses it's own slightly different "flavor".02:52
robotgeek!info BMP02:52
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AMCDeathKnightok02:53
dabaRhey sorry about that.02:53
b-radhmmm  I gotta get this thing figured out heh.  all I wanted to do was help and run the testing version of ubuntu heh02:53
dabaRdamn irssi02:53
darkmatterbob2, I meant the menus and preferences02:53
AMCDeathKnightso please walkthrough me to add the backport and apt-get02:53
AMCDeathKnightthis is getting ocnfusing02:53
AMCDeathKnight*confusing02:53
jcapoteso theyre both winamp 2.8 knockoffs02:53
bob2b-rad: it's highly broken at the moment, I wouldn't bother unless you're already highly skilled with ubuntu02:53
bob2jcapote: visually, yes02:53
robert_pectolAMCDeathKnight:   did the file download ok?02:53
robotgeekwhat's the package name for bmp?02:54
bob2which isn't bad, since winamp 2.8 is one of the less horrible designed players around02:54
bob2robotgeek: beep-media-player02:54
AMCDeathKnightsome people are saying not to download it, imn confused02:54
b-radbob2: heh, yeah I'm finding that out now.  I can only boot in recovery mode at the moment02:54
darkmatterbeep-media-player02:54
robotgeek:)02:54
IIIEarsAMCDeathKnight, - synaptic is the easiest grphical way to add repos just preced the link with deb http://somelink02:54
darkmatterrobertgeek, also get bmp-skins02:54
razerslutdoes ubuntu coe with a cd burner? and if not how can i install one02:54
razerslut?02:54
bob2AMCDeathKnight: why do you want to use backports at all?02:55
robotgeekfrom?02:55
robotgeekokay..i'll google!02:55
IIIEarsor deb-src http://somelink02:55
bob2razerslut: sure, the file manager can burn cds02:55
darkmattersynaptic02:55
razerslutaudio cd's?02:55
bob2razerslut: nope02:55
robert_pectolAMCDeathKnight:   I haven't had any problems with it thus far... If I do in the future, I'll simply remove it from my system and then apt-get the updated "official" one.02:55
razerslutausio cd's, i should have specified02:55
razerslutthat is awesome though02:55
AMCDeathKnightok02:55
IIIEarsbob2 - has it right - likely to vreate a muddled upgrade path even if you new app works right now.02:55
bob2razerslut: I hear people use k3b or graveman for that02:55
b-radbest bet for audio CDs is either GnomeBaker or K3B.  Personally, I like K3B02:55
darkmatterrazorslut, gnomebaker, graveman! or sepentine can be installed. those are the best gtk+ apps for burning CD's02:56
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razerslutgraveman sounds fine02:56
IIIEarsk3b tip "joliet" is more compatible with windows02:56
darkmatteror the command line :002:56
giantdoes anyone know of a way I can use my linux box to remotely scan my Windows box for adware?02:57
darkmatter*:)02:57
giantthe windows box will become so infected that scanning is severly hindered02:57
b-radhmmm  anyone know if it's possible to downgrade from testing? heheh02:57
bob2giant: I doubt it02:57
bob2b-rad: no, it's not02:57
IIIEarsgiant - openssh - will run commands on another machine. - thats about all i know02:57
darkmatterb-rad, beak something? ;)02:58
darkmatter*break02:58
bob2not without a skilled ubuntu/debian developer and a case of good beer, anyway02:58
IIIEarshehe02:58
giantdarn.. I was hopeing something that I can use to scan its files with my computer02:58
b-raddarkmatter: yeah, I can only boot in recovery mode at the moment with breezy02:58
b-radit stops if I try a normal boot02:58
giantit would take awhile but I'm sure it would be a better way to do it.02:58
b-radI'm pretty skilled at linux... but not sure why it's hanging up02:58
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darkmatterb-rad, that's why i reinstalled hoary, lol02:58
b-raddarkmatter: heh, it looks like I'm heading in that direction now too02:59
IIIEarsgiant - psst - there are some live cds out there designed to do that even bart's pe builder.  (shh - don't tell anyone i didn't say ubuntu.)02:59
robert_pectolAMCDeathKnight:   if you do decide to try it, you can do a, "tar -zxvf firefox-1.0.6.installer.tar.gz" and it will create the install directory in which you will find the installer script...  anyway, good luck with it!02:59
b-radI've got network connectivity, so a couple of quick copies will fix me up heh02:59
catolhwhats a good theme for gnome?03:00
AMCDeathKnightthanks03:00
robert_pectolnp : )03:00
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IIIEarsSeveas - Welcome Back.03:01
AMCDeathKnightwb03:02
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dabaR[19:39] CWC-DanB[66298] 617889184103:02
dabaRman03:02
jcapotewow awesome, gnome hotkey manager picked up all my special keys without the .xmodmap hack i had to use03:02
jcapoteon suse 9.303:02
elmagozizoutext mode in ubuntu is level....? (is a question)03:02
bob2it's not a level03:03
bob2this isn't redhat03:03
elmagozizouI want to start in text mode...03:03
darkmatterSuse9.3? eek! that's so slow.03:03
elmagozizouyeah that why im asking..in only do that in fedora03:03
bob2then make a runlevel that doesn't start gdm03:03
jcapoteyea03:03
jcapotei love the speed of ubuntu03:03
bob2perhaps 3 is a good choice03:03
jcapotei just need to restore all the functionality it had in suse 9.303:04
jcapotewhich is only a few things03:04
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darkmatterboots faster than xp on my box03:04
IIIEarscatolh - i just gave g5-ish a try pretty nice - (big sucker for sim glass bubble controls)  - add the theme by physically copying it to the theme folder some type of mismatched file structuring.03:04
elmagozizouHow do i start in text mode?03:04
Une-ga-dihianyone know how to set the default media player in gnome?03:04
jcapoteyea but zetaos boots in 15 seconds03:04
bob2elmagozizou: you make a runlevel that doesn't start gdm03:04
bob2elmagozizou: e.g. sudo rm /etc/rc3.d/S*gdm03:04
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IIIEarscatolh - erm - it works in gnome. Are you using gnome?03:05
chaps0063what is the command used to rescan for hardware, I booted up without my dvd drive in, how do i rescan for it?03:05
elmagozizoubob2, but can I do that in the inittab?03:05
robotgeekelmagozizou, better way is update.rc.d gdm remove03:05
catolhIIIEars, yep.. using gnome03:05
bob2elmagozizou: no, it has nothing to do with inittab03:05
robotgeekelmagozizou, better way is update-rc.d gdm remove03:05
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bob2redhat using inittab to start xdm is dumb03:05
rob^chaps0063, reboot03:05
b-radback in a bit... I hope03:05
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rob^the bios needs to pick it up03:05
chaps0063rob^: ok then.03:06
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elmagozizoubob2, robotgeek ,any documentation about that? where?03:06
bob2elmagozizou: run the command I gave you03:06
bob2then run level 3 will not start gdm03:06
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IIIEarsChaps, - interesting question.03:06
robotgeekyah...he seems to know more abt that than I do :)03:06
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razerslutchecking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool03:07
catolhhttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=26757 , tried this theme.. but it looks nothing like the one on the screen03:07
razerslutwhat does this mean when trying to ./configure graveman?03:07
elmagozizoubob2, and how i change it back?03:07
bob2razerslut: graveman is in ubuntu already...03:07
razerslutoh03:07
razerslutok03:07
razerslutwhere is it?03:07
bob2elmagozizou: why would you change it back?  just boot into 2 if you want gdm03:07
darkmatterjcapote, QNX boots in 10:)03:07
bob2razerslut: in the graveman package...03:08
jcapotewow03:08
IIIEarscatolh -yeah - what was the author thinking. - lol03:08
jcapoteim dying to try an RT os03:08
bob2elmagozizou: sudo update-rc.d gdm defaults03:08
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darkmatterit has built in gl, but on the downside no gui for burning crap03:08
elmagozizoubob2, this command "update-rc.d gdm defaults" to change it back?03:09
jcapotebut i hear it sucks at regular desktop use03:09
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bob2elmagozizou: yes, but there won't be a need to03:09
IIIEarsbob2 - did you see chaps003 question how do you scan for newly added DVD drives/hardware?03:09
darkmatteryep, it does suck as a regular desktop. no burning apps03:09
elmagozizoubob2, why do you say that?03:09
robotgeekelmagozizou, true03:09
jzeHow do I change the permissions of floppy?03:09
bob2elmagozizou: why would you change it back?03:10
darkmatterbut it's so damn fast03:10
bob2IIIEars: I don't see a chaps003 in here03:10
elmagozizoubob2, because Ive dont have the comand line domine jet03:10
bob2I don't know what that means03:11
darkmatterdamn, now I miss QNX so much I'm going to have to triple boot;)03:11
jcapotedarkmatter: what did you use it for03:11
bob2but the change I suggested means X will still start by default03:11
bob2if you dont want it to start, you pass a boot option03:11
bob2elmagozizou: also, why don't you want X to start?03:11
jzeHow do I change the permissions of floppy??03:11
bob2please don't tell me it's to install nvidia drivers03:11
IIIEarsbob2 - okay -nvm - dunno how you do it. already handling three questions at once. (impressed.)03:11
bob2IIIEars: I mean "there's no one called that in here"03:12
elmagozizoubob2, to create habbit03:12
darkmatterjcapote, just to try, really. it is really nice.03:12
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darkmatterif i had the time, i'd try to build gnomebaker on it. then it would be a decent desktop.03:13
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Super_BQhi again!03:14
AMCDeathKnighthi03:14
Super_BQi'm 1 step closer to keeping Ubuntu03:14
AMCDeathKnightok03:14
Super_BQbut I want to find a program if it exists03:14
Super_BQis there a program that will automatically email me the new IP address as soon as my ISP changes it ?03:15
bob2you don't need a program for that03:15
Super_BQas being connected by DHCP, there's no telling when my ISP will change my IP03:15
shanonDoes anyone know what repos I need to use to get flashplayer-mozilla and sunj2re-1.5? the backports don't seem to have them /.03:15
Super_BQbob2: no? how can I configure because I will be connecting to my box overseas and will need a current IP of it03:15
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rob^Super_BQ, use dyndns03:17
Super_BQhrm. i've discovered python03:17
bob2a) just get a static ip b) put a shell script in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/ called "mailip" that contains "echo $new_ip_address | mutt -s'New IP'"03:17
LinuxJonesSuper_BQ, or you can write a bash script to do that for you03:17
rob^then you can have a host name that automatically is assigned the new ip once you set it up03:17
bob2yeah, or that03:18
darkmatterSuper_BQ, just set your network to automatically assign IP through DHCP03:18
darkmatterSupr_BQ, Python is awesomw:)03:18
darkmatter*awesome03:18
Super_BQdarksatanic: it's not the automatically assign by DHCP. it's the fact that I need that IP to be sent to me (ie. email) when my ISP changes it03:18
IIIEarssuper_BQ - using a dynamic dns update service  - grab a free acct and install a ping/update tool - likely a few will be recommended on their site03:18
catolhhow do i install a theme engine+03:18
catolh?*03:18
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robert_pectolSuper_BQ:   you could set up a cron job to do something similar to, "/sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | cut -d ':' -f2 | cut -d ' ' -f1 | sed 's/^[ \t] *//;s/[ \t] *$//'" to get your current IP address.  Then just have the script e-mail it to your address...03:19
darkmattercatolh, what engine are you trying to install? It may already be in the repos.03:19
Super_BQwhoa..03:20
Super_BQrobert_pectol: gee that looks heavy duty03:20
robert_pectolSuper_BQ:   you could have a little textfile to which your current IP is written and if the script sees that it changes, it could e-mail you!03:20
IIIEarsrobert_pectol - elegant solution with tools already in place. - nice03:20
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robert_pectolThat would actually be a very simple script!03:21
darkmatterrobert_pectol, nice plumbing:)03:21
bob2that solution is kinda crap03:21
Super_BQbut.. i'm not a programmer so scripting would be hard for me03:21
rob^Super_BQ, see this: http://www.dyndns.org/about/home_solutions.html03:21
bob2hook it into dhclient03:21
robert_pectoldarkmatter:   yup!03:21
catolhdarkmatter, http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=19527   this one03:21
robotgeeklook into /etc/ifup in the post ifup section :)03:21
ChurcH_of_FoamYyou could make it pop up a terminal too03:21
ChurcH_of_FoamYthat way it would tell you too03:21
catolhtried the cmd that is in the description but it didnt work03:21
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LinuxJonesbob2, the same end result, just a different way of doing it03:22
Super_BQbob2: does this dynDNS service cost $ ?03:22
robotgeek:)03:22
rob^no,03:22
bob2Super_BQ: no03:22
rob^there is a free service03:22
bob2LinuxJones: and it emails you every n minutes, instead of when it changes03:22
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IIIEarsanyone feel the power and flexibility of linux there for a moment. (hears angels singing and experiences an epiphany. - thank god we aren't tied to M$)03:23
LinuxJonesbob2, well if you set the script to only mail when the IP address changes it doesn't03:23
bob2sure03:23
BigOZuhh03:23
BigOZHi03:23
bob2but you still need to poll, instead of having dhclient tell you when it's done03:23
LinuxJonesbob2, true03:24
catolhdoes anyone know how to install the clearlooks engine?03:24
Super_BQpoll like a USB port does (:03:24
darkmattercatolh, its in staging. add "deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports-staging main universe multiverse restricted" (without quotes" to /etc/apt/sources.list and run sudo apt-get update03:24
catolhah03:24
bob2er03:24
bob2no03:24
IIIEarserm - please don't take that line too seriously. - joke that was a J-O-K-E.03:24
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bob2it's in ubuntu main03:24
cccanyone using the "ontv" applet and has the hoary .deb laying around?03:24
darkmatterthen install it through synaptic. search clearlooks03:24
bob2please don't point people at ubuntu staging for no reason03:25
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cccthe official website is down03:25
BigOZoI03:25
darkmatterbob_2, sorry03:25
lordyvesusing synaptic, i cannnot seem to find AV  software03:25
bob2it'd be better if you didn't point them at all03:25
bob2since they're even less tested than the normal backports03:25
BigOZIs it possible to configure my SBC Yahoo DSL wireless connection to Ubuntu?03:25
bob2catolh: just install the  gtk2-engines-clearlooks package03:25
bob2"DSL" is not wireless03:25
catolhthanks bob203:25
darkmatterlordyves, clamav or f-prot03:25
BigOZMeh03:26
bob2lordyves: you don't need anti virus software for linux03:26
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BigOZwell03:26
BigOZstill03:26
robotgeekBigOZ, how fast is the SBC yahoo dsl ?03:26
BigOZNot sure03:26
BigOZFast enough03:26
bob2BigOZ: so what sort of connection do you have?03:26
ChurcH_of_FoamYBigOZ,  man antivirus is for m$03:27
BigOZApparently so foamster03:27
ChurcH_of_FoamY^_^03:27
IIIEarsdarkmatter - as a former windows user i understand your paranoia. - virus scans on linux are best used as mail routers/shields for windows machines.03:27
BigOZIts a little gateway router thing03:27
VelcanI notice when I do 'mkisofs -o /path/to/output.iso /path/to/some/dir/' and then I mount the new image the layout is definately unique and I assume that's because the data is compressed .... am I right in that??03:27
robotgeeknice, BMP is nice and very usable...thanks  everyone!03:27
BigOZit has 5 ethernet ports and it also has a wireless signal03:27
bob2Velcan: mkisofs doesn't compress things by default03:28
BigOZwhich I am currently using..03:28
bob2BigOZ: then you can probably use it as a normal ethernet connection03:28
lordyvesthanks you03:28
BigOZBut just the wireless?03:28
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Velcanwhat's it doing then?03:28
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bob2Velcan: how do you mean?03:28
bob2BigOZ: I don't understand  your question03:29
darkmatterIIIEars, yes. But even though we really don't need to worry about viruses, it's still good practice to use one03:29
BigOZum03:29
BigOZNevermind then03:29
BigOZI'll just use the ethernet03:29
Velcanwell if i am to mount an image i made using that meathod the file structure is not the same03:29
bob2darkmatter: er, not really03:29
ChurcH_of_FoamYbob2, is there a way to donate to ubuntu?03:29
darkmatterincase a windows virus finds it's way in03:29
bob2BigOZ: if your question is "Can I connect to my router wirelessly?", then the anser is yes03:29
bob2ChurcH_of_FoamY: yes, www.ubuntu.com has the link03:29
darkmatterdon't want to inadvertantly send it to awindows user03:29
ChurcH_of_FoamYthanx ^_^03:30
bob2just setup your mail system to delete all windows executables03:30
IIIEarsdarkmatter - i see the logic in being a good citizen and a harder target. just erm i think lazy is a word that fits.03:30
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LinuxJonesChurcH_of_FoamY, yeah send your money to Linux Jones: Grand Cayman Islands, Grand Cayman :D03:30
bob2Velcan: how do you mean, not the same?03:30
darkmatterIIEars, lol03:30
ChurcH_of_FoamY>.< i ant that drunk .......yet03:30
robotgeekDear Ubuntu User, I am Prince Robot from Nigeria....03:30
LinuxJones:)03:30
ChurcH_of_FoamY^_^03:31
darkmatter*IIEars, typo03:31
robotgeekalrite, later ppl!03:31
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ChurcH_of_FoamYhttp://www.live365.com/play/298908?LID=553-usa&lid=553-usa&SaneID=24.177.160.171-1122004489237&AuthType=NORMAL&VisitCount=2&membername=kisain&bitrate=256&now=1122168181253&session=58d0xueHUjZa003:32
ChurcH_of_FoamYpaste that into your media player03:32
BigOZOh03:32
BigOZSorry bob03:32
BigOZI was preoccupied03:32
BigOZbut yeah03:32
BigOZthat was my question03:32
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patrickjello03:33
ChurcH_of_FoamYhi ^_^03:33
ChurcH_of_FoamY03:33
Velcanheres an example03:33
patrickjI was wondering if installing OpenBox is possible03:33
bob2sure it is03:34
patrickjim currently on a dual boot between XP Pro and this03:34
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darkmatterChurcH_of_FoamY, nice link:)03:34
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ChurcH_of_FoamYthanx ^_^03:34
ChurcH_of_FoamYi'm good at finding what i want ^_^03:35
xozpatrickj: not in the default sourcelist03:35
lordyveshow do I access my flkoppy03:35
lordyvesI typed mount and it is not listed03:35
bob2patrickj: wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoryHowto03:35
lordyveswhat is the syntax for mounting my floppy03:36
bob2lordyves: then it's not mounted03:36
patrickjmeh its alright, but whats a good html editor, also where the beginner guide?03:36
patrickji need a GOOD web editor because im a webdesigner03:36
VelcanI do 'mkisofs -o /vault/iso/boot_partition_backup.iso /boot/' and then view the iso ... '/boot/config-2.6.10-5-386' is now '/boot/CONFIG_2.10_;1'03:36
j_fletcherCan somebody tell me where the skins folder for xmms is?03:36
j_fletcher:s03:36
bob2Velcan: then use rockridge extensions, -R03:36
bob2j_fletcher: ~/.xmms03:36
j_fletcherthx03:36
IIIEarspatrickj, take a peek at "NVU"03:37
Velcanso just do 'mkisofs -R etc...' ?03:37
jcapotepatrickj: check out nvu03:37
patrickjmeh does NVU have a code editor?03:37
jcapoteoh someone already said it :)03:37
jcapoteyes03:37
patrickjIn windows I use dreamweaver, but I only use Code view03:37
IIIEarspatrickj, others like text html tags and prefer "screem"03:37
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patrickjI just need a really good code editor for css/xhtml03:37
bob2Velcan: yes03:38
jcapotethen whats the point of a WYSIWIG editor03:38
xozpatrickj: bluefish?03:38
bob2patrickj: just use a good text editor then03:38
jcapoteexactly03:38
darkmatterlordyves, mount /media/floppy /dev/fd003:38
xozpatrickj: or vi03:38
bob2darkmatter: that won't work03:38
spartaspatrickj: vi with syntax highlighting works wonders03:38
jcapoteall i need is syntax highlighting and firefox + web dev extensions03:38
patrickjwhats vi?03:38
patrickjlol03:38
jcapotethe most powerful, yet hardest editor ever created by mankind03:39
bob2hm03:39
bob2not really03:39
patrickjwell I just need a good html/css editor03:39
patrickjwith php03:39
patrickjthat has syntax highlighting03:39
jcapotei think gedit is fine, if it does syntax highlighting03:39
j_fletchermost then03:39
^thehatsrule^bluefish patrickj03:39
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Velcanthanks bob203:39
bob2lordyves: sudo mount /media/floppy03:40
bob2might work03:40
IIIEarsopen office isn't too bad. (create great looking pages filled with "tasteful"  flashing text and grphics)03:40
patrickjand wheres the beginners guide, has all programs and stuff to get me started03:40
IIIEarslol03:40
^thehatsrule^man vi :P03:41
darkmatterbob_2, sorry, bad syntax (and symantics)03:41
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VeloxSwinepath: Invalid option L"--new" <-- problems running WINE base install with winetools.03:41
darkmatternot awake yet03:41
patrickjokay where can i get vi of bluefish03:41
bob2"or\'03:41
bob2both are available using synaptic03:41
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jcapotei started to install bluefish, but it demands the cd, is there a way to make it force fetch03:41
patrickjhow can I instal a metacity theme?03:42
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thoreauputicjcapote: comment out the CD line in /etc/apt/sources.list and run sudo apt-get update03:42
IIIEarspatrickj03:42
bob2jcapote: if you mean "to not use the CD, but instead download if from a mirror", then just configure synaptic to not use the CD03:42
jcapoteyea im doing that03:42
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ChurcH_of_FoamYwhats memoserv?03:42
jcapotei figured that synaptic had a skip method03:42
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VeloxSwinepath: Invalid option L"--new" <-- problems running WINE base install with winetools.03:43
ChurcH_of_FoamYwhen i identified my self it said i have no memos03:43
bob2VeloxS: no need to repeat03:43
ChurcH_of_FoamYO_o how would it know?"03:43
bob2VeloxS: I'm pretty sure winetools is deprecated03:43
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soultakerhello to all03:43
VeloxSwinesetuptk  doesn't work either03:43
patrickjokay, wheres the beginner Guide, and WHERE can i get Vi with syntax highlighting?03:43
soultakercan anyone tellme how to install the Amsn I em a NewBy03:44
DonLsoultaker, hello to you03:44
soultakerhello DonL03:44
bob2patrickj: you don't want vi03:44
IIIEarspatrickj -vi? - really?03:44
bob2patrickj: and stop using caps, it's annoying03:44
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bob2patrickj: just install bluefish and use that03:44
ChurcH_of_FoamYO_o03:44
jcapotebluefish is pretty awesome03:44
bob2soultaker: you don't want gaim?03:44
soultakergaim ?. havent try it03:44
Velcanbob2:  Would 'mkisofs -R -o /vault/iso/cdbackup.iso /media/cdrom/' effectively do the same thing as 'dd if=/dev/cdrom of=$myfile bs=1024' ?03:45
DonLsoultaker, my son loves gaim. He uses it on a win 98 box03:45
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soultakercool03:45
jcapotewow, i just found out that my "touchpad on/off" button doesnt work in ubuntu03:45
bob2Velcan: if you want to copy a cd, don't use mkisofs03:45
DonLApparently it rocks compared to msn03:45
soultakerit work with the Msn contacs ?.03:45
bob2jcapote: please file a bug then03:45
jcapoteim sure its not a bug03:46
DonLsoultaker, yes it does, and all the others as well03:46
jcapotethe dimmer keys though, thats definitely a bug03:46
jcapotethey work03:46
patrickjsorry to be repetative but where is ther starter guide...?03:46
jcapotebut with 40 second delay03:46
bob2patrickj: what starter guide?03:46
soultakerthats great more and more I love this ubuntu Linux03:46
OdiiNi have a ploblem with xfce, i try to run nautilus in xfce4 and now i have the gnome desktop, i want to restore the xfce desktop but i dont know what can i do03:46
bob2OdiiN: pkill nautilus, in a terminal03:46
IIIEarspatrickj - ubuntuguide.org - (shh it's very very unofficial)03:46
patrickjthe one that explains how to download stuff like java and install it with firefox plugin03:46
patrickjyes thanks03:47
bob2patrickj: wiki.ubuntu.com03:47
patrickjalso, how do I install theme, like metacity...etc.03:47
soultakeri em trying to lef XP for good03:47
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drcodehi all03:47
j_fletcherpatrickj: there's also www.ubuntuguide.org -- some is useful, but the repo is dodgey03:47
OdiiNbob2,  nautilus is killed, can be other program?03:47
soultakerhi drcode03:47
drcodeany one know why in gnome the realplayer dosnt work?03:47
drcodeand in xfce it dose?03:47
bob2OdiiN: don't know, try #xfce03:47
thoreauputicOdiiN: you can create a launcher for nautilus the says " nautilus --no-desktop "03:47
bob2drcode: "dosnt work" = no sound?03:48
patrickjrep is dodgy?03:48
DonLdrcode, got it working fine here03:48
bob2drcode: try running "pkill esd" in gnome before using it03:48
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bob2patrickj: "rep"?03:48
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patrickjso how can I install metac themes, and I meant repo03:48
bob2you mean apt repository?03:48
Ali`Gwats that command dpkg -i --force-overwrite <filename>03:48
Ali`Gor something03:48
Ali`Glike that03:48
bob2Ali`G: please don't use that03:48
Velcanbob2:  Earlier you said mkisofs doesnt compress 'by default'. Does that mean it has the abbility to?03:48
Ali`Gbob2: i have to03:48
bob2patrickj: download them, and drag them onto the theme manager window03:48
Ali`Gwhats the command03:49
bob2Ali`G: why?03:49
soultakerDonL what version will i download for the Gaim ??03:49
Ali`Gbob2 because i do can you tell me howto use that command03:49
Velcanbob2:  or did you just mean i could gzip it or something of that nature?03:49
bob2Velcan: I don't know, maybe you need an external program.  the man page would know for sure.03:49
thoreauputicsoultaker: gaim is installed by default03:49
DonLsoultaker, just take the one Ubuntu offers you.03:49
bob2Velcan: knoppix/et al use compressed iso images, and it's not just running zip on them03:49
bob2Ali`G: what are you installing?03:49
soultakerin the synatics ?.03:49
DonLthoreauputic, I thought so03:49
Ali`Gbob2: tightvncserver03:49
bob2soultaker: gaim is installed by default03:50
soultakerha!!!03:50
Ali`Gbob2: i installed it using apt-get install tightvncserver03:50
Ali`Gbob2: but how do i use it?03:50
soultakercool03:50
bob2Ali`G: it has no instructions?03:50
j_fletchercan wmv be played without special codecs? I have certain ones such as ffmpeg and gst* i also have mplayer and vlc03:50
patrickjI have some music on my NTFS partition, how do I access/play it from here..?03:51
thoreauputicsoultaker: it will be in your menu - it's the default IM client03:51
j_fletcherpatrickj: mount it03:51
bob2patrickj: www.ubuntuguide.org03:51
thoreauputic!restricted03:51
uboturumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats03:51
IIIEarsvelcan -an interesting walkthrough on making a compressed iso. (knoppix) http://e-lane.org/pub/tutorial.html03:51
thoreauputicj_fletcher: ^^^ see ubitu's URL03:51
Velcanhey thanks IIIEars03:52
Ali`Gbob2: how would i vnc to linux from windows?03:52
thoreauputic8ubotu03:52
DonLsoultaker, if you want it in your top menubar, just right click up there, and follow the instructions03:52
bob2Ali`G: you'd usew X, generally03:52
bob2Ali`G: does it really have no instrucions?03:52
Ali`Gbob2: yes03:52
darkmatterAli' G: man tightvncserver?03:52
patrickjDo i drag the tar.gz file into theme viewer?03:52
IIIEarsbob2 -  three+ questions at one time? -  ;)03:52
bob23 is a slow day03:53
bob2patrickj: yes03:53
soultakeryes i see it03:53
j_fletcherthoreauputic: thx :)03:53
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soultakerGnome Meeting03:53
soultakermy mistake03:53
soultakerGaim03:53
soultakerhehehehe03:53
soultakeri em Blind03:53
soultakerto much beer make Homer Crazy03:54
jcapotewhat does everyone here use to play thier music03:54
jcapoteive noticed that rythmbox is kinda slow03:54
patrickjkk thanks03:55
patrickjnow I got my linux all 1337 out03:55
patrickjoh can I install stuff like root-tail etc.?03:55
soultakerWhaooooo!!!03:55
bob2cplay is quite nice03:55
IIIEarsjcapote - xmms or streamtuner streamripper(raadio)03:55
bob2patrickj: of course03:55
soultakerthanks Guys for the heko03:55
soultakerhelp03:55
jcapotei want something more itunes like03:55
jcapotesuch as amarok03:55
thoreauputicjcapote: you can install amarok03:56
bob2soultaker: you need to ask a question...03:56
jcapotebut it wont it look like a qt03:56
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jcapoteapplication*03:56
thoreauputicjcapote: yes, it will have the qt look03:56
soultakerthanks Guys for the help03:56
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jcapoteew, i was hoping for something in the gtk arena03:56
soultakertime to go home03:56
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thoreauputicjcapote: streamtuner is a nice app03:57
prodigyHey03:57
jcapotenot that i dont like qt, i just dont like using 2 different windowing kits on the same box, it feels like some wierd mutant operating system03:57
prodigyHow do I access my windows drives from Ubuntu?03:57
jcapotewhich i know linux is, but im trying to kid myself :P03:57
Domoexcuse me, but can anyone tell me where to find info on how to install Ubuntu while keeping Windows XP?03:57
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bob2prodigy: www.ubuntguide.org03:57
Imsdledoes anyone know how to setup sql-ledger03:57
vladuz976hi, i just upgraded to firefox 1.06. anyody know why it still shows the old version? under about it says: ubuntu package 1.03 or something03:57
thoreauputicjcapote: I mostly use streamtuner with beep-media-player03:57
bob2Domo: just install it03:58
_jonwhats it mean when the pri install repo setup just sits there at 25%03:58
bob2vladuz976: er, talk to whoever made the package you used03:58
naliothDomo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo03:58
Ali`Gbob2: i get this error vncserver: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory03:58
bob2you don't need a howto03:58
Domothanks03:58
bob2ubuntu sets that up for you03:58
vladuz976bob2: i didn't use any package, i used the firefox download from the mozilla website03:58
bob2Ali`G: where on earth did you get that versin of tightvncserver from?03:59
Domobob2: what about all of that partition stuff?03:59
bob2vladuz976: there you go, run the particularversion you installed03:59
jcapotemaybe theres a way to make rythmbox a little faster?03:59
bob2Domo: ? you mean mounting windows partitions?03:59
Ali`Gbob2: i download vncserver like apt-get install vncserver03:59
bob2Ali`G: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood03:59
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thoreauputicvladuz976: your new firefox needs to be launched from the full path where you put it: else you will be executing /usr/bin/firefox04:00
bob2I'd be amazingly surprised if tightvncserver came from ubuntu04:00
thoreauputicvladuz976: which of course is the ubuntu FF04:00
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ubuntuhola04:01
_jonwhats it mean when the pri install repo setup just sits there at 25%04:01
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jcapoteis there an alternative to gstreamer?04:01
jcapotei think im also using oss, wouldnt it be better to use alsa04:02
Ali`Gbob2: bob2 http://rafb.net/paste/results/T8NGzC30.html04:02
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vladuz976thoreauputic: the firefox tar.gz doesn't have any installer file. doesn't tell me where it installs to04:02
Ali`Gbob2: http://rafb.net/paste/results/T8NGzC30.html04:02
bob2vladuz976: then it's wherever you untarred04:02
thoreauputicvladuz976: it should install in the dir you ran it from, as far as I know04:02
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vladuz976bob2: i of course untarred it04:03
bob2Ali`G: and the output of "apt-cache policy tightvncserver"04:03
vladuz976thoreauputic: thanks, just read the install log and it looks like that is what it does04:03
bob2vladuz976: then look in that directory04:03
Ali`Gdean@ubuntu:~/.vnc $ apt-cache policy tightvncserver04:03
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Ali`Gtightvncserver:04:03
Ali`GInstalled: 1.2.9-504:03
Ali`GCandidate: 1.2.9-504:03
Ali`GVersion Table:04:03
Ali`G*** 1.2.9-5 004:03
Ali`G500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages04:03
Ali`G100 /var/lib/dpkg/status04:03
Ali`Gdean@ubuntu:~/.vnc $04:03
vladuz976thoreauputic: so if i install it from inside /usr/bin/firefox it will upgrade the current firefox?04:04
thoreauputicvladuz976: no, don't do that04:04
vladuz976thoreauputic: how can i do it then?04:04
bob2Ali`G: you're sure vncserver is from the tightvncserver package?04:04
thoreauputicvladuz976: just run it from where it installed. or make a link to /usr/local/bin/firefox04:05
thoreauputicvladuz976: don't mess with /usr/bin04:05
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Ali`Gbob2: no04:05
bob2then check04:06
vladuz976thoreauputic: even if i run it from there (~/downloads/firefox-installer/firefox) it starts the old one04:06
thoreauputicvladuz976: erm, I doubt that04:06
bob2close all existing copies of firefox04:06
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vladuz976thoreauputic: i went to >help >about and it says the old version of it04:07
bob2as above04:07
catolhI just installed the Clearlooks graphite suite theme, but when i use it.. the Menubars or mostly anything doesnt look anything like on the screenshots that can be found with the download, here:  http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=2675704:07
catolhAnyone else got this to work?04:07
thoreauputicvladuz976: do you have another FF running?04:07
robert_pectolvladuz976:   once you untar it, run the installer script and I think it will place it in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/.  the one in /usr/bin/ is merely a symbolic link to the one in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox I think...04:08
bob2catolh: clearlooks is installed by default, and I'm pretty sure it's the default theme, anyway04:08
zukalk3am, g'd night all04:08
nalioth vladuz976 you may have to ps aux| grep firefox or whatever its called (may have a rogue process goin on)04:08
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vladuz976thoreauputic: robert_pectol yes i had one running on a nother desktop that was it. whats the easieest way to make the new one run by default?04:09
thoreauputicrobert_pectol: no, the moz installer installs in the untarred directory04:09
catolhbob2, but it's not similar at all.. :\04:09
Ali`Gbob2: were can i get vncpasswd: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory04:09
bob2catolh: then presumably you're using the wrong theme04:09
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bob2Ali`G: "which vncpasswd" prints what?04:09
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Ali`Gbob2: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.304:10
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catolhbob2, it says at the site that its using clearlooks..04:10
Ali`Gwere can i download that04:10
thoreauputicvladuz976: sudo ln -s /usr/local/bin/firefox /path/to/your/new/executable04:10
thoreauputicvladuz976: oops04:10
robert_pectolthoreauputic:   Ok, that may very well be the case.  If so, you will probably have to manually place it04:10
thoreauputicvladuz976: reverse the order for that ln -s command04:10
bob2Ali`G: no, what does the command I gave you print out?04:10
bob2catolh: that's a theme engine, not just a theme04:10
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vladuz976thoreauputic: sure04:10
thoreauputicvladuz976: target first - i always get that wrong ;)04:11
Ali`Gbob2 which one04:11
hawkmanCan someone tell me why Ubuntu only gives me sound for events and games, but move players like Totem and Noatun won't give sound. and I've tried changing the sound providers.04:11
bob212:09:50 @         bob2 | Ali`G: "which vncpasswd" prints what?04:11
citruswhats linux?04:11
catolhbob2, yeah?.. didnt you say it was installed by default?04:12
bob2hawkman: because they're not configured to use esd04:12
bob2catolh: the theme engine is04:12
hawkmanI've tried ALSA and OSS as well04:12
thoreauputicrobert_pectol: manually moving 3rd party apps into /usr/bin is a Bad Thing (tm)04:12
citrusalsa like salsa?04:12
bob2citrus: please?04:12
robert_pectolthoreauputic:   No, I meant moving it to the place where the sym link within the /usr/bin points...04:13
citrusbob2:  please what04:13
thoreauputicrobert_pectol: that is also a Bad Thing04:13
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Ali`Gbob2: i got it to work04:13
thoreauputicrobert_pectol: you are advocating breaking the package management04:13
bob2citrus: stop being annoying04:13
bob2Ali`G: by doing what?04:13
Ali`Gbob2 but how do i make it dispaly the screen that is on ubuntu atm04:13
bob2no idea04:13
Ali`Gbob2: apt-get install libstdc++2.10-glibc2.204:14
benkong2I am about to go nuts over this wireless thing. I have an ubuntu box with 2 nics serving as my router/firewall server etc. I have a linksys wrt54g that I want to use as  a wireless access point.04:14
citruswhat is ubuntu live?04:14
catolhbob2, well.. if you look at the page.. it offers the Clearlooks graphite theme, icon set, xmms and firefox themes.. ( http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=26757 ) I've installed all of those, and presumeably the theme on the screenshot is using the clearlooks engine, since its called clearlooks-graphite..  and it still doesnt look the same.. :\04:14
bob2Ali`G: dude, that's not a good solution04:14
robert_pectolthoreauputic:   It's a choice one has to make from time to time... If it's too risky for you, don't do it!04:14
bob2Ali`G: what does "which vncpasswd" print out?04:14
catolhbut anyways, fudge it.. :p i'll find another or similar theme04:14
bob2Ali`G: and please tell me you didn't use rpms04:14
LinuxJonescitrus, it's a bootable version of Linux that runs directly from a cdrom04:14
benkong2What do I need to make this work? my ubuntu box is working port forwarding etc all pc's work. I just need some help on setting up the wireless router to act just as a wirless interface.04:15
thoreauputicrobert_pectol: no, you are just wrong - sorry. The way to do it is to create a symlink in /usr/local/bin - that's where 3rd party apps can go without screwing up the package management04:15
robert_pectolthoreauputic:   Ok then...04:16
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thoreauputicrobert_pectol: it isn't a question of risk - it's a question of not breaking the apt-get and dpkg systems04:16
citrusso is linux like windows?04:16
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citrusis it from mircosoft too?04:16
thoreauputiccitrus: short answer: no04:16
LinuxJonescitrus, no04:16
naliothcitrus: is is a point-n-click interface that operates on commodity personal computer hardware04:16
citruswhat company makes it?04:16
vladuz976thoreauputic: something interesting, after making the link and eveything, the new one starts when i start it from the menu or from the gdesklets toolbar. if however i start it from the terminal with "firefox" i get the old one04:16
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citruscommodity personal computer hardware?04:17
hawkmanSo how do I get any of the mediaplayers to use ESD for sound then ?04:17
LinuxJonescitrus, you have all of the tradmarks(R) of a real troll04:17
thoreauputicvladuz976: you must have /usr/bin before /usr/local/bin in your $PATH04:17
citruslol i am just fsckin with ya04:18
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vladuz976thoreauputic: PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/gam es04:18
LinuxJonescitrus, you're wasting bandwidth, please stop :)04:18
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citrusbandwith from your serveR?04:18
thoreauputicvladuz976: well, that *is* odd then04:19
LinuxJonescitrus, from freenode and everybody who is on this channel yeah04:19
bob2citrus: enough04:19
citrusnalioth:  wouldn't you call it more of a kernel  that allows you to use cli OR GUI and not limit it to a point and click interface?04:19
vladuz976thoreauputic: well, it is. usually i use the panel to start it, but i would like to know why anyways04:20
thoreauputicvladuz976: one would expect "firefox" to be firat found in /usr/local/bin if that's where your symlink is - so I'm puzzled04:21
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patrickjello04:22
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benwcI just built a kernel using this command: fakeroot make-kpkg --added_modules ip_alias buildpackage04:23
LinuxJonespatrickj, welcome04:23
benwcanyone know where it is?04:23
thoreauputicvladuz976: ah, I think if you fire up a new terminal it will find the new one - try it04:23
patrickjHow can I acess my NTFS drive, i need some music files....04:23
patrickjand a list of softwaare. also whats a good docking thing for Gnome04:24
thoreauputicvladuz976: or type " which firefox" to see where the new terminal thinks it is04:24
vladuz976thoreauputic: yeah, how funny that i didn't think of that. but yes, that was it04:25
benwcwhere does a built kernel build to?04:26
patrickj?04:26
cafuegowheee, it's raining in perth04:26
LinuxJonesbenwc, /boot/04:26
LinuxJonescafuego, rain is good :)04:27
benwcLinuxJones do you what it would be called?04:27
citrusi have a serious question tho...   how can i get my movies to have a small image or "preview" in gnome/ubuntu  my friends ubuntu installtion works  but i have been kde for a long time i don't know much about gnome04:27
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cafuegoLinuxJones: I suppose, but it's annoying when you're trapsing through the city looking for decent coffee04:27
patrickjHow can i acess my NTFS drive?04:27
gigaclon!mount04:28
ubotuI heard mount is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions04:28
LinuxJonesbenwc, just do ls on the /boot dir you will see it04:28
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gigaclon!tell patrickj about mount04:28
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benwcI did ls -al and all I see is the original kernel by date. No new files in there04:28
Brunellusanyone installed ubuntu on an hp desktop?04:28
bob2patrickj: you read the page I pointed you to?04:28
LinuxJonesbenwc, you should have all of the good coffee houses already memorized :D04:28
BrunellusI'm looking to dual-boot ubuntu and WinXP on my hp pavilion desktop04:29
patrickjthanks,brb04:29
Brunellusthe first partition is a windows recovery partition04:29
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benwcLinuxJones it took forever to build this sucker04:29
benwcI just needed one stupid module installed: ip_alias04:30
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pking1977anyone have limewire?04:30
pking1977installed04:31
citrususe giftd04:31
citrusso much better04:31
pking1977is that in the repositories?04:31
citrusyou can connect to the fast track  gnutella and openft with the same program04:31
citrusyeah04:31
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citrusapt-cache search giftd04:31
citrusor apt-cache search gift04:31
citrusits a bit hard to get running perfectly04:32
citrusbut once you do04:32
LinuxJonesbenwc, look in /usr/src/ and see what source you've compiled, then look in /boot and you will see a coresponding kernel image04:32
citrusyou will not be dissapointed04:32
Brunellushow many bootable partitions can you have on a disk?04:32
benwcthx LinuxJones04:32
LinuxJonesbenwc, good luck :)04:32
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benwcI did'nt backup my old kernel and they have the same name04:33
citruscan anyone tell me why vmware freezes my entire system04:34
pking1977doest giftd run in KDE?04:34
IIIEarsBrunellis - read something about 6+ linuxes installed on a single disk. - guessing windows ntloader/dos can handle maybe 2.04:34
citrusi have been using gentoo for a long time and i never got a total lock up of linux like i do when i run vmware in ubuntu04:34
MrGardenHoseManwhat's the command to unzip a *.tgz file?04:34
naliothpking1977: giftd runs on any *nix box04:34
citrusgiftd is the deamon that connects to the network04:34
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naliothMrGardenHoseMan: tar xvzf *.tgz04:34
citrusapollon or giftoxic   use giftd to download04:35
MrGardenHoseManthanks04:35
citruswait04:35
citrusyou might not want to "unzip" tgz   its a slackware based pkg     just use alien   to convert it to deb04:35
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Nameeaterhow can I download java from the java sun site with wget?04:36
IIIEarsDo you need to compile a kernel with special mods for vmware?04:36
citrusthen use dpkg -i *.deb to install it04:36
citrusnot that i know of04:36
citrusi could try the old version  witch i know you dont' need to04:36
MrGardenHoseManuhh how do i convert it...04:36
BrunellusIIIEars:  if I use Grub as my bootloader, then I should be able to boot from at least three partitions right?04:36
LinuxJonesbenwc, I am too drunk ATM, why do you need that feature ?04:36
MrGardenHoseMannever mind just maned it04:37
citrusalien *.tgz04:37
MrGardenHoseManthanks04:37
LinuxJonesbenwc, you can just load that module if you need it04:37
IIIEarsBrunellis - I would think so. - please don't quote me. (noob 14 weeks)04:37
BrunellusOK.  I'll throw it open to the floor--04:37
benwcLinuxJones I have more than 1 IP from my ISP for hosting multiple SSL04:37
Brunellusif I use grub as my bootloader, I should be able to boot from at least three diff partitions, right?04:38
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IIIEarsBrunellis - gussing you could boot more partitions with ntloader/dos with a boot.lnx file. (first 512 bytes ripped from a boot sector.)04:38
citrusi hate grub04:38
thoreauputicBrunellus: yes - i have three OS es here in triple boot using GRUB04:38
LinuxJonesbenwc, ohh I see04:38
Brunelluscheers thoreauputic.  you come through for me yet again!04:39
benwcis there a way to do it w/ out ip_alias?04:39
Nameeateris the latest firefox broken in ubuntu?04:39
IIIEarsgrub isn't weak.04:39
citrusdidn't say it was  IIIEars04:39
IIIEarslol - i did. ;)04:39
thoreauputicBrunellus: actually when you install Ubuntu it even finds them automagically04:39
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citrusi am just used to LILO04:39
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LinuxJonesbenwc, I don't know :(04:40
Brunellusthoreauputic:  I've been reading through the Windows Dual Boot Howto on the wiki04:40
benwcthx LinuxJones :)04:40
thoreauputiccitrus: lilo is OK - but a nice aspect of grub is you don't need to "run" it each time the config changes04:40
citrushow do i get newprograms from apt-get   ?? like my gaim version is like 1.3.1 and firefox is like 1.0404:40
Brunellusthere's a long section in it about installing grub onto the bootable linux partition lest it hose the MBR04:40
Brunellusdoes the new hoary installer take care of that?04:41
Brunellus(last install from disk I made was back in Warty)04:41
LinuxJonesbenwc, I wish I could help you out :D04:41
citrusjust typing in the command lilo  doesn't take to much brain power04:41
IIIEarscitrus - synaptic is an added plus. - tracking what is installed already by seeing it.04:41
thoreauputicBrunellus: I just let it install grub in the MBR - works fine04:41
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skyhawkerI was wondering if somebody could talk me through getting my 5.1 surround to work? (it seems to not like me :))04:41
Brunellusthoreauputic:  you can boot into XP with grub in the MBR?04:41
citrusyeah04:42
benwcyeah me too LinuxJones I'm the fool who thought it would be easy to bind many IPs to my network card04:42
thoreauputiccitrus: true - I wasn't saying it was hard: just "nice" that grub doesn't need it04:42
thoreauputicBrunellus: yep04:42
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IIIEarsBrunellus, - yes absolutely. np04:42
learn25hi all!04:42
thoreauputicBrunellus: mind you, I haven't booted into XP for months ;)04:42
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BrunellusI don't intend to boot into XP much, just for the odd game here and there04:43
Brunellusmy old ubuntu box is about to be made into my mother's email/web machine04:43
IIIEars<< Backslides into XP for ease of non-ported game installation04:43
j_fletcherI havent used windows in ages, I tryed the other day, but now I get the feeling for windows i used to with linux04:43
BrunellusI bought a cheap refurb'd HP box for my personal use, with a nice nvidia card for cheap04:43
learn25Ubuntu is great. How can i make nautilus navigate directories in "tree view"? Like in xandros.04:43
Computer__Gurusuddenly, mplayer freezes when i try to play a file... how would i wipe any reference to mplayer fromt he system so as to install a completely fresh copy04:44
citrushas anyone gotten battlefield 2 to work with cedega 4.404:44
j_fletcherwhich is "omg, i feel so "away from home here""04:44
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LinuxJonesbenwc, you can setup virtual ip addresses faily easily, but not right now for me (google is your best friend) :)04:44
learn25Ubuntu is great. How can i make nautilus navigate directories in "tree view"? Like in xandros.04:44
doctor_salviayo i have verizon dls ... and its router is inside my house... but im in my shed and i want to put a secondary router out here connected to the one in my house.  but no success so far04:44
shanonHas anyone got mplayer working with ac3 encoded audio? The ubunut packages appears to be broken04:44
j_fletcherlearn25: applications -> system tools -> config editor04:44
thoreauputiclearn25: no need to repeat04:44
learn25ok thanks04:44
j_fletcherlearn25: then, preferences -> apps -> nautilus04:45
j_fletcherand untick ...04:45
j_fletchermoment04:45
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benwcLinixJones I just found my new kernel  :D   in /usr/src/kernel-image-2.6.10_10.00.Custom_i386.deb04:45
cafuegobenwc: ifconfig eth0:X <ip>   # done. ANy prebuilt kernel can do that.04:45
doctor_salviacan anyone help me?04:45
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thoreauputicdoctor_salvia: I can give you the number of a good psychologist ;-)04:45
j_fletcherlearn25: apps -> nautilus -> preferences -> allways use browser: ticked04:45
j_fletchersry for any confusion04:46
doctor_salviathoreauputic: any why the hell would i want that?04:46
Brunellusyou all are great.04:46
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doctor_salviathoreauputic: and*04:46
skyhawkerI was wondering if somebody could talk me through getting my 5.1 surround to work? (it seems to not like me :))04:46
thoreauputicdoctor_salvia: erm, it was a joke, mate04:46
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benwccafuego I have 13 IP address' one same cable connection and I need to have ip_alias to use the other 12 ;)04:46
doctor_salviathoreauputic: lol.  :-)04:46
thoreauputicdoctor_salvia: note the  ;-)04:46
neoTheCathey, i am a total ubuntu newbie.  i am used to rpmfind.net, and gentoo.  is there a website where i can find apps (POSE, to be particular?)04:47
doctor_salviathoreauputic: well do you have a router psychologist?04:47
rob^neoTheCat, http://packages.ubuntu.com/04:47
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thoreauputicdoctor_salvia: He would just tell you your router "really has to want to change" :D04:48
rob^neoTheCat, ubuntu uses apt-get, so you dont have to download stuff from web sites04:48
rob^neoTheCat, you can also use the program synaptic04:48
doctor_salviathoreauputic: i'd ask him where are the drugs?04:48
rob^neoTheCat, just run: sudo synaptic04:48
rob^in an shell04:48
neoTheCatrob^: before i decide to stick with ubuntu, i want to see how many apps i need compile by hand, and how many packages are available in the repository04:49
thoreauputicdoctor_salvia: no, he advocates cognitive therapy ;-)04:49
doctor_salviathoreauputic: psh!04:49
rob^neoTheCat, check out synaptic04:49
thoreauputichehe04:49
neoTheCatrob^: yup, i did.  i just wasn't sure if i had it setup with all the available repositories04:49
doctor_salviathoreauputic: lets give my router anger thereapy.... using a nerd and a shitload of insecure networks04:49
learn25Thanks guys. i now have a tree view. ;-) This should be enabled by default. ;-)04:49
rob^neoTheCat, http://packages.ubuntu.com/04:49
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rob^has them all04:50
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patrickjback04:50
learn25Can we suggest features for future release of Ubuntu? iF yes then where?04:50
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patrickjokay i installed the SystemG theme but i believe there are different colours, how to I get to the different colours?04:50
rob^learn25, bugzilla04:51
bob2learn25: what feature?04:51
Computer__Guruwhy is it mplayer works fine for a couple of days then just dies, and NOTHING i do brings it back, and i have to end up friggen reinstallin g ubuntu to get it back.. this is REALLY starting to piss me off04:51
_SD_KeoUbuntu rocks! Although I had to go through four CD's to get it installed.. The first three were bad.04:51
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learn25is that a wedsite? The nautilus should be tree view by default ;-) and the address of the directory should be shown above by default ;-)04:52
doctor_salviathoreauputic: i have verizon dls ... and its router is inside my house... but im in my shed and i want to put a secondary router out here connected to the one in my house. but no success so far04:52
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doctor_salviathoreauputic: dsl*04:52
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digaohey, i'm starting in the linux world with ubuntu. i would like to know how can i configure firestarter to load automaticaly during the boot. could somebody help me?04:52
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Computer__Guruif ic ant get it to work without reinstalling ubuntu, i'm trashing ubuntu, this is utterly ridiculous04:52
Computer__Guruand it's the fourth friggen time04:53
Imsdledoes anyone know how to install sql-ledger as the instructions don't work and they are gay04:53
thoreauputicdoctor_salvia: I'm not your man for router issues - I suggest you wait and see if anyone else can help04:53
IIIEarsdoctor_saliva - i wonder if using a free dns server and it's occasional pings from your network would keep ppp open?04:53
mattti'm trying to install exim4 instead of postfix (using ubuntu 5.04), but the installation says that it's going to remove anaconda, ubuntu-base, etc.04:53
signbarnSomething I did caused my CD-RW and DVD-RW to not mount properly and my external firewire hard drive not to mount at all.04:53
doctor_salviathoreauputic: lol ok04:53
patrickjokay so How do I change the theme colours?04:53
Computer__Gurusignbarn: it might not be something you did.. from what i can see, mplayer just stops working after a couple of days as well04:54
Computer__Guruthrough no fault of your own04:54
matttis there a way to install exim4 without removing ubuntu-base, etc?04:54
doctor_salviathoreauputic: i gues sill just kick er around till it decides to work i shoulda actually spent money on a good linksys router insteak of a belkin router straight out of the hands of a small ethiopian child.04:54
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signbarnthis happened a while ago and i reinstalled everything and i'm back to square one04:54
thoreauputicComputer__Guru: for what it's worth, I've had better luck with Xine and VLC04:54
Computer__GuruI think ubuntu is cursed for not having a root account04:55
IIIEarsdoctor_saliva - your isp reclaims your ip/connection because it thinks you aren't "using" t right? - would a cron'd ping script settle it?04:55
doctor_salviapsh04:55
neoTheCati have about 10 mail accounts in thunderbird.  is there an easywaty to port the acct info to evolution?04:55
rob^Computer__Guru, why?04:55
rob^Computer__Guru, it stops newbies breaking things easily04:55
patrickjsorry to be repedative but, how do i change the colours of window borders and such?04:55
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matttya, i like the enforcement of sudo, it's a good idea actually.04:56
doctor_salviaIIIEars: everything outside of my secondary router has perfect internet access.... i just cant get the secondary router to work04:56
Computer__Gururob^: i dunno.. for whatever reason shit just randomly breaks in ubuntu, and i think it is the way of the gods getting back at you all for not making a root acct :>04:56
thoreauputicpatrickj: play around with the "details" tab in the theme manager dialogue04:56
signbarni like sudo too04:56
rob^Computer__Guru, what randomly breaks?04:56
digaoops... i closed the irc window by mistake so ill remake my question. i want to configure firestarter to load in the boot or when i login. can somebody help me?04:57
Computer__Guruand as far as 'ive had better luck with such and such' - i dont care. it shouldnt break if you havent been screwing with it04:57
Computer__Gurumplayer04:57
signbarnwell unrelated to root, my disk mounting randomly breaks04:57
Computer__Guruspecifically04:57
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thoreauputicComputer__Guru: well, using an alternative isn't the end of the world, surely04:57
patrickjwhats the best thing for playing music, such as MP3's and WMA's?04:58
signbarni can't access my CD-RW or DVD-RW from the Computers folder, and my external firewire hard drive isn't recognized anymore -- has anybody had a similar problem with their CD/DVD-RW?04:58
IIIEars'net >> first router DHCP form net? >> second router DHCP? from first? - hm - defined IP addresses in place of DHCP?04:58
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BRKN_LDRhello?04:58
_SD_Keopatrickj: WMA's are horrible, don't use them04:58
doctor_salviathey eat children04:58
doctor_salviawma's04:58
Computer__Guruthoreauputic: i like mplayer. it's the best player ive come across04:58
signbarnyes. and kill puppies04:58
patrickjI know i dont think I have any but what should i use to play mp3s?04:58
wm_eddieThey sound terrible too04:59
BRKN_LDRhow can i change menu.lst to boot a different kernel that i already have installed?  smp kernel breaks realtime-lsm04:59
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BRKN_LDRpatrickj you shouldn't04:59
IIIEarsdefine fixed ip's dns servers from isp  on second router and equipment behind it?04:59
_SD_Keopartickj: Winamp04:59
Computer__Guruso using something else is a little too much afaiac04:59
BRKN_LDRpatrickj vorbis/flac is the way to go04:59
patrickjy not?04:59
signbarn...winamp?04:59
patrickjI want to listen to music and im using linux.........04:59
doctor_salviain face i bet bill himself has a closet full of dead bunnies and kittens right in his bedroom.04:59
Computer__Gurumplayer should not break arbitrarily, and has NEVER done so under ANY other dist04:59
doctor_salviafact*04:59
BRKN_LDRmp3 is a terribly outdated, patent encumbered format.04:59
signbarn.ogg, baby04:59
wm_eddiepatrickj: get gstreamer-mad and play them with rhythmbox or Quod Libet.04:59
patrickjand all my music is MP3 and im not going to convert it to Vorbis...04:59
jasoncohenBRKN_LDR, you can use startup settings05:00
BRKN_LDRpatrickj you have to install the restricted modules.  search for restricted modules on the ubuntu site05:00
Computer__Gurumaybe it's kde..05:00
thoreauputicComputer__Guru: *shrug* It's up to you what you decide. I agree mplayer is good, but xine and vlc are too: whatever you prefer05:00
^thehatsrule^yea ogg vorbis :P05:00
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Computer__Guruthoreauputic: right on05:00
IIIEarsdoctor_saliva - nah 'prolly a few dead CEOs from takeovers tho.05:00
BRKN_LDRjasoncohen there's a gui menu for that?05:00
Computer__Gurumaybe it's kde 3.4.005:00
patrickjHow can I convert all my music to OGG then?05:00
Computer__Gurumaybe i should give gnome a whirl05:00
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jasoncohenBRKN_LDR, http://www.grawert.net/software/startup-settings/05:00
doctor_salviaIIIEars: LOL.   so u got any idea about my prob?05:00
jasoncohenBRKN_LDR, download the ubuntu deb05:00
patrickjand the theme colouring isnt anywhere in the theme details..05:00
jasoncohengnome comes with boot-admin but it wasn't packaged with hoary05:00
BRKN_LDRshouldn't i just be able to edit some line in menu.lst?05:01
^thehatsrule^BRKN_LDR: yes you can05:01
signbarnpatrickj: i don't reccomend converting from one lossy format to another lossy format. just rip your cds to ogg vorbis in the future.05:01
thoreauputicComputer__Guru: it *might* be an "arts" issue, if you are using KDE05:01
BRKN_LDRi just switched to kde this week.  despite the fact that it takes serious effort to make it not look ugly, it is quite awesome.05:01
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Computer__Gurubut its freezing on video05:01
IIIEarsdoctor_saliva - i would take a desperation swing at the fences and define static ip's and dns from eqiupment behind second router.05:01
Computer__Gurunot audio05:01
signbarnpatrickj: have you read the unnoficial ubuntu starter guide?05:01
Computer__Guruit could just be my session05:01
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patrickjyes...wut bout ti?05:01
Computer__Gurumaybe i should relog05:01
Computer__Gurubefore i give up on life itself05:02
Computer__Gurubrb05:02
signbarnpatrickj: you should have the codecs installed to play mp3s on just about any player -- totem, xmms, etc.05:02
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IIIEarssecond router would be static and all equipment behind it would use a static address. - let the first router handle any heavy lifting. (after all dns servers don't change.)05:03
doctor_salviaIIIEars: ahh but i have....  and lol well... nothing SEES the router.. i cant even find the dhcp server if i tried...05:03
BRKN_LDR^thehatsrule^ can i just change default to whatever entry it is?05:03
^thehatsrule^yea you can05:04
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jasoncohenBRKN_LDR, just change the default to whateer you want. it's very simple to use05:04
doctor_salviaIIIEars: i had static ip's set and i cant see the router... i tried 192.168.0.105:04
jasoncohenit's in  system > administration > system startup settings05:04
patrickjok, the Win32 codecs?05:04
GeoffrianI have a question about runlevels.  Can anyone help???05:05
patrickjalso is it safe to resize my linux partition in Partition Magic 8.0?05:05
patrickjI wanna add to it05:05
signbarnpatrickj: those and the gstreamer, lame, sox, etc.05:05
patrickjtake from my windows partition and add to linux05:05
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jasoncohenpatrickj, you want w32codecs05:05
jasoncohen!multimedia05:06
ubotumethinks multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia05:06
patrickjkk05:06
IIIEarsdoctor_saliva - Okay - guess you know i'll keep my day job instead of being a guru. - (sheepish grin)  - still wondering why you can't define static addresses/and add dns server addresses  for second router and equipment.05:06
jasoncohenpatrickj, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia05:06
patrickjlol ok05:06
GeoffrianWhen Ubuntu loads it loads a lot of programs and modules I do not use such as CUPS, crons,.....  How do I disable certain things on bootup?05:06
jasoncohenGeoffrian, sudo apt-get install rcconf, uncheck the ones you don't want starting on boot05:06
jasoncohenby running sudo rcconf05:07
patrickjis there any way to add transparency to my windows and stuff like that?05:07
patrickjto the terminal?05:07
jasoncohenor you can install bum from ubuntuguide instructions05:07
matttdoes ubuntu have a service manager aka redhat's chkconfig and gentoo's rc-update?05:07
patrickjmainly the terminal05:07
GeoffrianThank you very much.  Comming to this chat room is far more valuable than all other resources.05:07
jasoncohenpatrickj, yes05:07
bob2mattt: update-rc.d05:07
matttbob2:  xxxcellent05:07
jasoncohenGeoffrian, np05:07
jasoncohenGeoffrian, bum (boot up manager) is graphical and gives descriptions of the services05:08
jasoncohenGeoffrian, http://ubuntuguide.org/#bum05:08
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patrickjhow?05:08
signbarnthe transparency on the terminal that i got only loads a crop of the background, so it doesn't show me other windows underneath05:08
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Computer__Gurui had to reboot to fix it :-\05:08
Computer__Gurumust be shitty ati drivers or something05:08
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jmspeexAnyone else have firefox buggy as hell?05:09
jmspeexwith 5.0405:09
doctor_salviaIIIEars: well i have no idea what the ip address of the router is05:09
Computer__Gurunah firefox works great for me :)05:09
umarmungjmspeex: look at topic05:09
patrickjhow can I add windowfx like transparency for using terminal on desktop05:09
doctor_salviaIIIEars: and i need that before i can set the dns server05:09
signbarnpatrickj: in your terminal window: edit -> current profile, then go to the effects tab05:09
benwcNot syncing VFS Unable to mount root fs on unknown block    <-- this is a bad kernel build correct :P05:09
jasoncohenComputer__Guru, what's te problem?05:09
signbarnpatrickj: not familiar with windowfx like transparency05:09
jmspeexumarmung: oops :-)05:10
jmspeexumarmung: any plan on fixing this soon?05:10
Computer__Gurujasoncohen: mplayer breaks after a while, have to reboot to get it to work again05:10
benwcchillywilly are you here?05:10
umarmungjmspeex: no idea, i was lucky enough to see this BEFORE i updated :)05:10
patrickjcool, thanks05:11
patrickji have to work now, cya and thanks for support05:11
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jasoncohenComputer__Guru, what's the error?05:11
jmspeexAlso, any idea why my compactflash/pccard (hde) doesn't get appear automatically with the removable media manager, while the usb stuff does?05:12
Computer__Gurujasoncohen: says that the video output method isnt appropriate for the codec... but its bs cause it works just fine... anyways something got stuck somewhere.. probably an old file descriptor or something05:12
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nJesswhat would i use to write code in basic in ubuntu?05:12
Computer__Guruin basic?05:12
signbarnBASIC? whyfor?05:13
Computer__Gurui wouldnt know05:13
jmspeexnJess: try kdevelop05:13
Computer__Gurustart with python, or ruby05:13
jmspeexnJess: or do you mean to compile?05:13
jasoncohenComputer__Guru, have you tried purging mplayer to make sure it's not a configuration problem?05:13
signbarnor interpret?05:13
Computer__Gurujasoncohen: oh yeah... but its not a config problem trust me.. it works fine for a while, and without changing anything, it arbitrarily kills itself05:13
Computer__Gurui think the problem, actually, is the screen saver, which i just disabled05:14
nJessjmspeex, yes, compile05:14
nJessoh05:14
BRKN_LDRpraise be to speex05:14
nJessand i want to play with BASIC just because05:14
nJessleave me alone05:14
nJess:P05:14
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BRKN_LDRbasic is fun.  when i was in 7th grade i made some cool card games with it.05:14
BRKN_LDRi even made little games where weird ascii characters could move around the screen and "shoot" each other.05:15
BRKN_LDRthen i got into C++ and i was like, "what?!  no line numbers?  how is that possible?!"05:15
thoreauputicnJess: BASIC will wreck you for any decent language you might want to learn later ( just a warning)05:15
signbarnyes, i would suggest you GOTO java or c++05:16
nJessi already know basic05:16
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benwcgoto line 1005:16
nJessplease stop with the suggestions, i just want a program i can write basic in, really05:16
nJess:P05:16
thoreauputicnJess: then there's no hope for you ;-)05:16
benwcloop data blah ;)05:16
signbarndoes mono do VB.NET?05:16
nJessbenwc05:17
signbarnthere's a mono IDE, right?05:17
benwcNot syncing VFS Unable to mount root fs on unknown block   (0,0)   <-- what did i compile wrong?05:17
nJess10 print "PENIS"05:17
nJess20 goto 1005:17
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benwcnJess I used to program Basic on an Atari 40005:17
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Computer__Guruhow do i set no screensaver in kde? there's no option for none05:17
nJesshehe05:17
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thoreauputicnJess: there's a thing called GAMBAS - "Gambas is AlMost BASIC"05:18
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nJessk05:18
nJessthat was...almost....amusing05:18
JzEGuys.. How do mount a floppy?05:18
doctor_salviadie05:18
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tritiumnJess, no more of that please05:18
doctor_salviathats how05:18
doctor_salvialol05:19
doctor_salviajk05:19
thoreauputicnJess: in case you missed it >>  nJess: there's a thing called GAMBAS - "Gambas is AlMost BASIC"05:19
nJessi said k05:19
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Jet2k5oi?05:19
benwcbasic is like windows batch files05:19
mitochondyucan someone help me..is pretty easy05:19
Computer__Guruhow do i set no screensaver in kde? there's no option for 'none'05:20
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Jet2k5Guys who can I talk to about being a mod on the forums?05:20
signbarni'm going to go pull my hair out and reinstall ubuntu again and hope this mounting problem doesn't happen again -- or at least try to figure out what causes it. see y'all later! :-)05:20
benwcwhy does it take an hour to compile a kernel?05:20
Jet2k5Computer__Guru: you are a guru but you don't know how to fix that n00b problem?05:20
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Jet2k5benwc: slow processor?05:20
benwc2200 amd05:20
Jet2k5Computer__Guru: check KDE Control, there should be an option there05:20
benwc2gig ram05:20
mattrbenwc: lots of stuff to compile05:20
Jet2k5benwc: yeah that's slow05:20
JzEHow do I mount a floppy driver??05:20
mitochondyui setup a virtual resolution of 1024x1536...the question is how to scroll up and down the screen without using the mouse cursor...maybe i can use the wheel???possible?05:21
Jet2k5benwc: no offence05:21
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benwcI think I need to strip stuff out05:21
Jet2k5benwc: it takes about 45 minutes with my Pentium 4 2.0GHz05:21
Jet2k5benwc: not really05:21
Jet2k5benwc: unless you are sure of what you don't need :P05:21
thoreauputicJzE: mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy005:21
Computer__GuruJet2k5: Youc an set a screensaver. You cannot completely *unset* it. you can just tell it not to automatically start, which is fine EXCEPT for when you lock your screen, then it invokes the screensaver. It's not a n00b problem, and condescending attitudes don't get you far around here, asshole.05:21
mitochondyuis there someone here free to help me plz?05:22
thoreauputicJzE: assuming the file system is vfat of course05:22
benwcJet2k5 yeah about that.. seems like forever though05:22
Jet2k5Computer__Guru: ok dude I was just kidding but, that's ok suit yourself05:22
mattrComputer__Guru: you can't set "no screensaver", sorry05:22
Jet2k5benwc: benwc what config do you have?05:22
Jet2k5ty mattr05:22
benwcmy kernel puked05:22
benwcNot syncing VFS Unable to mount root fs on unknown block   (0,0)05:22
JzEUmm.. I don't know =/05:23
mattrComputer__Guru: please file a wishlist request at bugs.kde.org requesting such a feature05:23
benwcJet2k5 2.6.1005:23
Jet2k5benwc: are you building one from scratch?05:23
Computer__Gurumattr: when you first setup kde, it's setup with 'no screensaver'.. i wish to return to that state without having to resetup kde.. im sure it's in a config file, ill find it05:23
Computer__Gurumattr: I intend to :D05:23
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thoreauputicComputer__Guru: personally I just turned off the KDE screensaver and put a one line script in ~/.kde/Autostart to fire up xscreensaver05:23
benwcJet2k5 yes, I'm trying to install the ip_alias mod  have been for over 4 hours now :(05:23
Jet2k5benwc: are you familiar with kernel compiles?  It's not an easy thing building one from scratch.  It's best to have a good working config, and then strip that down to suit your needs05:24
mitochondyuHELP!~~05:24
mitochondyui setup a virtual resolution of 1024x1536...the question is how to scroll up and down the screen without using the mouse cursor...maybe i can use the wheel???possible?05:24
thoreauputicComputer__Guru: then you can use the xscreensaver-command -throttle to turn it off at will without breaking the locking functions05:24
jmspeexnJess: I don't know of any Linux Basic compiler, i.e. most open-source developers aren't insane enough.05:24
mattrmitochondyu: i'm not aware of a case where it's possible, no05:24
Computer__Guruthoreauputic: how do you turn it off? screw xscreensaver, i'm fine with the power-cut apmd does on its own after 20 minutes of inactivity.. the screensaver is killing my ati drivers, and i lose mplayer every couple of days to odd decoder errors05:24
benwcJet2k5  nope totally green in the compiling kernel area ;)05:24
benwcwhere can I get a good config?05:24
mitochondyu:( thanks05:24
Computer__Guruand then i have to reboot05:25
mitochondyumattr05:25
Computer__Guruand i hate rebooting05:25
Jet2k5benwc: I"m not sure about Ubuntu05:25
Jet2k5since I hear they don't provide a kernel source05:25
digitalfoxCtrl+Alt+Bkspc shouldn't be enabled by default.05:25
thoreauputicComputer__Guru: I'm not in KDE ATM, (fluxbox) - but I seem to recall turning it off in kcontrol05:25
benwcare you a debian user?05:25
Jet2k5benwc: let me look05:25
jmspeexnJess: but you could probably write one in C++ ;-)05:25
Jet2k5benwc: Just started using Ubuntu05:25
Computer__Guruif it's there, it's not uder screensaver :D05:25
mattrComputer__Guru: see kdesktoprc05:25
Computer__Guruill go look05:25
benwcme too05:26
mattrComputer__Guru: in the ScreenSaver section05:26
benwcstill a noob after a few years of playing w/ nix05:26
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Jet2k5benwc: are you compiling a kernel the normal way, or the " debian " way?05:26
Computer__Gurumattr: I love you.05:26
mattrComputer__Guru: i imagine you can delete the Saver entry and get "no screensaver"05:26
JzEthoreauputic: Ummm... I think that didn't work05:27
Computer__Guruyeah, that's EXACTLY what I was looking for :)05:27
mattrheh05:27
Computer__Gururelogging, brb05:27
benwcJet2k5  I did https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelHowto?highlight=%28recompile%2905:27
thoreauputicJzE: try it with 'sudo" prepended - and check you /etc/fstab line for the floppy05:27
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BRKN_LDRwhere is the ubuntu equivalent of rc.modules?05:28
BRKN_LDRi stupidly uninstalled the realtime-lsm module and now i can't get it back up.05:28
thoreauputicBRKN_LDR: put it in /etc/modules on its own line05:28
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Jet2k5benwc: hmm05:29
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Jet2k5benwc: I can't find the config for Ubuntu's kernel05:29
Computer__Gurumattr: that was exactly right05:29
benwcthe one I created is crap... it does not boot05:29
Jet2k5benwc: post your error again please05:29
thoreauputicBRKN_LDR: and to get it temporarily you can do "sudo modprobe <modulename>"05:29
benwcNot syncing VFS Unable to mount root fs on unknown block   (0,0)05:29
BRKN_LDRi think the module is called realtime-lsm05:30
BRKN_LDRthanks05:30
mattrok, so i'm running breezy and xutils doesn't seem to install xmkmf like packages.ubuntu.com says it should. Do i just need to wait until later for a package to get rebuilt in to the archives?05:30
Computer__Guruyou could use the one from hoary if its available05:30
Computer__Guruand compatible05:30
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patrickjello again05:30
Computer__Gurui wouldnt run breezy yet.. esp since they say its way far from ready05:30
mattrComputer__Guru: i hope nothing's changed in xmkmf between 6.8.1 and 6.8.2 :)05:31
mattrthe amd64 support is too much improved for me to go back, and i want gcc 4.0.x05:31
Jet2k5benwc: look over your kernel config for the file system support make sure that you have a couple there05:31
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lexhidermattr: X is broken in breezy05:31
JzEthoreauputic: There is a /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 line in fstab05:32
mitochondyuHELP~~ me plz05:32
JzEThis means that it is mounted?05:32
benwcJet2k5  the one in /boot05:32
Computer__Guruah true05:32
thoreauputicJzE: no, it means it knows where to mount it05:32
mitochondyuhow can i scroll through the virtual resolution without using the cursor? maybe can set to use the wheel?05:32
mattrlexhider: *shrug* k, i'll wait05:32
patrickjokay im about to install bluefish and i was just wondering, when im compiling software. what directory should I have it under, ex. should i make a build directory or anything?05:33
thoreauputicJzE: /media/floppy0 is where you expect to find the comntents after mounting it05:33
Jet2k5benwc: no the one when you do " make menuconfig05:33
thoreauputic*contents05:33
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Jet2k5benwc: or make xconfi if you use that one05:33
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benwcJet2k5 no desktop installed just cmd line05:34
Jet2k5benwc: how did you end up there?05:34
benwcJet2k5 only serving websites05:35
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JzEthoreauputic: I try to mount it with su root05:35
JzEops05:35
tritiumJzE, yes?05:35
JzEI try to mount it with the command you gave but nothing happens =/05:35
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thoreauputicJzE: no, use sudo - su root won't work unless you created a root user05:35
Jet2k5benwc: ah05:35
Jet2k5benwc: what's wrong with the current kernel?05:36
patrickjokay im about to install bluefish and i was just wondering, when im compiling software. what directory should I have it under, ex. should i make a build directory or anything?05:36
benwctring to bind all my new IPs to one nic05:36
Jet2k5patrickj: no, it can go anywhere you want05:36
Jet2k5patrickj: if you are building it from source put in in /home/user05:36
benwcJet2k5 I need to install the ip_alias module05:36
JzEUmm.. Should I be able to write more things to terminal after I write the command?05:36
thoreauputicpatrickj: you can make a build dir in your home directory05:36
benwcJet2k5 the only way to it , i guess, is to build a new kernel w/ the option flag05:37
thoreauputicJzE: what command?05:37
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Jet2k5benwc: yeah, you see though it's pretty hard making a kernel from scratch05:37
Computer__GuruDAMNIT05:37
JzEsudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy005:37
Computer__GuruI have NINETY-SIX percent of this movie, and there are zero seeders05:37
Computer__Gurubrb05:37
Jet2k5I've tried and tried but couldn't get it, I've always had to use an existing config05:37
benwcJet2k5 I am learning that as the hours dwindle away ;)05:38
thoreauputicJzE: it should return to the prompt silently05:38
JzEbut it doesn't :/05:38
Jet2k5benwc: you need to get your hand on a kernel config05:38
thoreauputicJzE: what *does* it do then?05:38
IIIEars96% boy gets girl boy loses girl - pfft... poor computer guy05:38
Jet2k5benwc: search the web for a working Ubuntu kernel config05:38
JzEWhen I give the password it just kinda freezes05:38
benwcis there an easy way to recompile my working w/ the ip_alias mod insalled?05:38
JzEThere is a blinking black cursor thingy05:39
thoreauputicJzE: you give it *your* user password05:39
JzEi know05:39
JzEBut after I have given the password05:39
tritiumComputer__Guru, please don't discuss stolen movies here.  Thanks.05:39
Computer__Guruyah yah, gotchya05:39
Jet2k5benwc: yes , all you need is that kernel config.  A working one.  All you would do is use that and then add the option to compile the module05:39
Jet2k5benwc: I'm sort of shocked that Ubuntu doesn't ship out with a .config05:40
Computer__Guruhow do you know im not talking about fahrenheit 9/11? Michael Moore gave 100% permission to download it at a press conference. He said just dont sell it, and you're cool05:40
tritiumJet2k5, the .config files are in /boot05:40
Computer__Gurubut ill shutup now05:40
Computer__Guru;)05:40
brigadeMichael Moore is gay05:40
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Jet2k5tritium: is that for debian?05:40
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lexhider/boot/config* ?05:41
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IIIEarscomputer guy -erm - good idea to quit while you are ahead...05:41
Madpilotevening all05:41
tritiumJet2k5, for ubuntu kernels05:41
benwcconfig-2.6.10-5-386 is in /boot05:41
Jet2k5tritium: heh stupid me05:41
Jet2k5benwc: that's the one05:41
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Jet2k5copy that and put it in the folder where you are compiling the kernel from05:41
benwcI don't know how to install a mod though... any hints ;)05:41
Jet2k5benwc: look for it , and then make it a module or compile it into the kernel05:42
Jet2k5either a <M> for module05:42
Jet2k5or <*> to be compiled05:42
benwcok05:43
patrickjhow can I get it so Firestarter goes at startup?05:43
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IIIEarsJet2k5 - do you have a link to a site that will help thin out needed/uneeded modules before compiling?05:44
thoreauputicpatrickj: it starts by default - you just don't see the GUI unless you call it05:44
IIIEarsJet2k5, - what is actually used and what is fluff.05:44
patrickjwell because whenever Itry to start it, it says I dont have permissions to05:44
Madpilotpatrickj: "sudo firestarter" instead of just "firestarter"05:45
thoreauputicpatrickj: open /etc/init.d/firestarter  and you'll see that it does start; you are confusing the underlying function with the GUI05:45
Jet2k5IIIEars: just trial and error05:45
patrickjlol ok05:45
Jet2k5IIIEars: I pretty much just looked around the confi file and took stuff I didn't need05:45
DaSkreechHmm05:45
DaSkreechAnyone use xplanet?05:45
Jet2k5IIIEars: for example nvidia drivers when I use an ATI card.  Stuff like that05:45
IIIEarsjet2k5 - okay did that and was added to guiness for "Worrld's Largest ever compiled krnel."05:46
thoreauputicpatrickj: firestarter is just a front-end for iptables05:46
Jet2k5IIIEars: heh don't worry it's big05:46
DaSkreechJust ran an apt-get on it and the images and Can't seem to get it to run with the default config file05:46
Jet2k5IIIEars: when I first started compiling kernels was when I started using ArchLinux05:46
Jet2k5I took me about 1 hour and 30 mintues to compile kernels05:46
DaSkreechOr at least it's running but nothing impressive is happening other than my job count going up :-)05:46
Jet2k5last time it only took me about 35 :)05:46
patrickjoh i see :d05:46
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patrickjis it safe to resize my main linux partition in part magic 805:47
patrickjand also I have 768 MB of ram, what size should my swap part be?05:47
jbluhi all, can bootcd be used for Ubuntu or just Debian? thnx05:47
Jet2k5patrickj: yes it safe, and that much ram I wouldn't really worry about making a swap05:48
Jet2k5patrickj: I would go with abou 250MB swap, if you want to be safe05:48
brigadeI always make my swap 1.5 times my amount of ram05:48
Jet2k5dpepends if you ever use it05:48
brigadeif you can spare the space05:48
Jet2k5yeah05:48
thoreauputicpatrickj: with that much RAM, swap of about 500MB should be fine, unless you do heavy video editing or something05:48
Jet2k5patrickj: in theory you don't need it if you have more that 1GB of ram05:49
thoreauputicyeah, even 250 would do05:49
benwcJet2k5 I don't see ip_alias in menuconfig05:49
tritiumpatrickj, if you intend to suspend-to-ram, make the swap as large as your ram05:49
benwcany ideas?05:49
IIIEarsJet2K5 - would you be willing to pastebin.org or email a copy of YOUR config as a sample of what to do right? - I'll send you mine for great laughs at parties. - lol05:49
Jet2k5benwc: you sure it's a not a patch?05:49
jasoncohendoe it matter how large the swap is in proportion to RAM for suspending to disk?05:49
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Jet2k5IIIEars: darn sorry dude I dont' have arch installed anymore, replace by my Ubuntu box :X05:50
jasoncohensuspending to disk doesn't work on my dell inspiron 8200. i have 640 MB of RAM and only 300 or so MB of swap05:50
benwcJet2k5 I'm a super kernel noob... If it were how do I know?05:50
IIIEarsAw. okay. - Need a laugh? - hehe05:50
benwcEvery site said compile ip_alias into my kernel05:50
tritiumjasoncohen, yes, that's likely why05:50
Jet2k5IIIEars: sure05:50
jasoncohenbenwc, what are you trying to do?05:50
Jet2k5benwc: hmmm05:50
gm78Hey all. There is a command that allows all users to access the x server....i need this so i can run mythtv setup as user mythtv. does anyone know what this command is?05:50
Jet2k5jasoncohen: get ip_alias on his system05:50
jasoncohentritium, doesn't it take what's on the RAM and store it on your HD? why does it matter how much swap i have for that>?05:51
jasoncohenMem:    646316k total,05:51
jasoncohenSwap:   248996k total,05:51
IIIEarsaw nvm - It just isn't that funny.05:51
jasoncohenguess it's even less than i thought05:51
tritiumjasoncohen, it uses the swap space to store it05:51
nomasteryodagm78, I just tried to install mythtv tonight ... it keeps dying during at script in apt-get install05:51
jasoncohenhmm, then that would explain it, heh05:51
patrickjwell I need to check how bit my swap it05:51
benwcjasoncohen I'm tring to install ip_alias so I can bind multiple IPs to my nic05:51
jbluis there an IRC of Ubuntu off topic?05:51
tritiumjblu, #ubuntu-offtopic05:51
jasoncohenbenwc, what's the problem?05:51
nomasteryodaand complains about running as root@localhost05:52
gm78nomasteryoda, it installed for me, which servers are you using?05:52
jbluthmx05:52
jasoncohentritium, thanks, i suspected that was the problem05:52
nomasteryodagm78, just a sec05:52
Jet2k5tritium: are you a mod?05:52
tritiumjasoncohen, yeah, sorry to hear that05:52
tritiumJet2k5, a mod?05:52
thoreauputicpatrickj: run "top" in a terminal and read the swap05:52
Jet2k5tritium: moderator05:52
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Jet2k5tritium: developer05:52
Jet2k5tritium: contributer05:52
Jet2k5tritium: package maintainer05:52
benwcjasoncohen I don't know how to get ip_alias into my kernel05:53
patrickj/dev/hda1   *           1        4354    34973473+   7  HPFS/NTFS05:53
patrickj/dev/hda2            4355        4839     3895762+  83  Linux05:53
patrickj/dev/hda3            4840        4865      208845    5  Extended05:53
patrickj/dev/hda5            4840        4865      208813+  82  Linux swap / Solaris05:53
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tritiumJet2k5, not a moderator of anything, but I'm an motu05:53
IIIEarsubotu pastebin05:53
ubotupastebin is, like, at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood05:53
jasoncohenbenwc, download the source, make && make install && modprobe ip_alias ?05:53
tritiumBut I've been rather inactive the past few months due to other obligations05:53
benwchttp://home.pacific.net.sg/~harish/linuxipalias.html05:53
qt2anyone here familiar with ipodder?05:54
Jet2k5tritium: aye05:54
tritium:)05:54
Jet2k5meh i want to be a mod of the amd64 forums05:54
Jet2k5don't know who I sould contact05:54
Jet2k5should **05:55
tritiumI'm not involved with the forums at all.  Sorry...05:55
jasoncohenbenwc, damn that howto is from kernel 2.0.* . you sure those instructions are even correct?05:55
jasoncohenfor 2.605:55
Jet2k5tritium: :(05:55
patrickjis that the right size?05:55
benwcjasoncohen you make it sound so easy. I have no idea where to get the darn thing05:55
jasoncohenbenwc, are you sure it's even a module anymore05:55
jasoncohenthe functionality is probably built into the kernel05:56
benwc2.6 does not seem to have the option05:56
jasoncohenor the module name changed05:56
Jet2k5jasoncohen: that's what I"m suspecting05:56
Jet2k5google doesn't come up with anything05:56
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jasoncohenbenwc, have you tried following the instructions as if the module was loaded?05:56
jasoncoheni suspect there is no module- it was just included in the kernel directly05:56
nomasteryodagm78, look at this list... http://rafb.net/paste/results/6hk55E22.html05:56
benwcjasoncohen yes05:56
benwcI get05:56
benwcfatal error05:57
jasoncohentritium, do i need swap=ram?05:57
tritiumjasoncohen, yes, or a little larger would be good to be safe05:57
benwcis there another way to support more than one external IP05:57
thoreauputicpatrickj: basically, if everything is running well, leave your swap partition alone05:58
jasoncohentritium, any way to live resize a ext3 partition?05:58
patrickjlol ok well it is i guess....05:58
gm78nomasteryoda, u r using the US servers, which are broken for some packages. u can switch to the canadian servers by changing us to ca at the beginning of the URLs05:58
nomasteryodaoh05:58
thoreauputicpatrickj: with 768MB RAM, it just isn't an issue05:58
nomasteryodaca...kool05:58
nomasteryodathanks for the info05:58
NuuBwhere in the file system is ubuntu hiding all the perl modules? (i tried a "find / LWP" and found squat when i know its there... somewhere)05:58
patrickjit says its only 200 megs, also i tried to play music in XMMS and it just froze..05:58
tritiumjasoncohen, possibly with resize2fs05:58
thoreauputicpatrickj: the xmms freeze is nothing to do with it05:59
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thoreauputicpatrickj: in xmms options - prefs  set output plugin to esound05:59
D1grr05:59
tritiumjasoncohen, but I've not tried, so I'm not sure05:59
D1does anyone know how to disable the totem-mozilla plugin?05:59
thoreauputicpatrickj: then restart your xmms05:59
jasoncohentritium, i don't think it works with ext305:59
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tritiumthe manpage says it does05:59
patrickjalso I wanna use torsmo06:00
patrickjis it safe to compile and install under hoary?06:00
patrickjXMMS just froze up, and I cant close it...06:00
jasoncohentritium, " In my tests / was on ext3/lvm that is probably the hardest one to work on since / can't be umounted. The main issue is that no tools are available to perform online resize that actually work (ext2online is not portable and it requires too many hacks to work properly)." from http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallerVolumeManagement06:00
thoreauputicpatrickj: it's in the universe repo06:00
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patrickjhow can I install torsmo then?06:01
thoreauputicpatrickj: in a terminal type "pkill xmms "06:01
nomasteryodagm78, maybe that will help06:01
tritiumjasoncohen, oh, okay06:01
patrickjoh and is root-tail in the repo?06:01
thoreauputicpatrickj: enable the universe repo and use synaptic06:01
nomasteryodagm78,  though I got to the point where it asked for a root mysql passwd06:01
patrickjsynaptic?06:01
patrickjlol im linux n00b :d06:01
jasoncohentritium, i guess i would have to use the live-cd with gparted06:01
tritiumjasoncohen, that might work.  I've had little success with gparted and qtparted in the past06:02
jasoncohentritium, what do you use?06:02
jasoncohenfor partitioning06:02
patrickjso what command do I use to get torsmo?06:02
jasoncohenpatrickj, sudo apt-get install torsmo06:02
patrickjand root-tail?06:03
thoreauputicpatrickj: look at ubotu's URLs below... wait a sec06:03
tritiumjasoncohen, just the partitioning tool on the install CD.06:03
jasoncohenpatrickj, huh?06:03
thoreauputic!synaptic06:03
ubotuextra, extra, read all about it, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto06:03
parabolizepatrickj, synaptic is under system/admin. torsmo command runs torsmo.06:03
nomyodagm78, look at my error ... if you please... still getting it  http://rafb.net/paste/results/2d2Toh23.html06:03
thoreauputicpatrickj: torsmo is in universe too06:03
thoreauputic!repos06:03
ubotu[repos]  at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto06:03
patrickji installed it, how to I run it?06:03
jasoncohentritium, what happened when you tried using gparted?06:04
parabolizepatrickj, if your in gnome stop nautilus from rendering to desktop it plays with torsmo in unkind ways06:04
thoreauputicpatrickj: try typing "torsmo" in a terminal (I don't know torsmo but that usually would work)06:04
patrickjyes it does but how do I stop nautilus from rendering to desktop?06:05
tritiumjasoncohen, I don't recall exactly.  It has been a long time since I last tried.  But it didn't resize the partition I tried to resize.06:05
thoreauputicpatrickj: also in gnome root-tail is kind of useless unless you disable the desktop06:05
benwcchillywilly are you here yet?06:05
jasoncohentritium, it's safe to shrink an ext3 partition after it's unmounted, right?06:05
patrickjyes true but how do I stop nautilus from rendering to desktop06:05
patrickj?06:05
patrickjand where in the panel is torsmo?06:05
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jasoncohentritium, why can't i have the unmount done before bootup or something like partition magic works06:06
parabolizepatrickj, its a option in gconf-editor.06:06
tritiumjasoncohen, what do you mean?06:06
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pking1977the x86 cd for ubuntu should work on and amd XP processer.. Correct?06:06
patrickjumm....06:06
parabolizepatrickj, it won't add to panel.06:06
thoreauputicpatrickj: I'm in the fluxbox window manager atm so I can't look - someone else might know06:06
patrickjwut is nautilus?06:06
patrickjis openbox any good06:06
patrickj?06:06
gm78nomyoda, sorry....left the room to make a coffee, give me a second06:06
D1hmm, totem-xine in backports is built with gstreamer06:06
thr1cepking1977: of course...that is i686 isn't it?06:06
digitalfoxpatrickj, I prefer fluxbox06:06
parabolizepatrickj, add it to your start up programs06:06
digitalfoxpatrickj, by far06:06
jasmuzpking1977: yes....but i recommend you upgrade to a k7 kernel so ir works nicer06:07
patrickjhmm is flux really good?06:07
benwcanyone here host w/ ubuntu?06:07
parabolizepatrickj, openbox!06:07
jasoncohentritium, partition magic will resize a partition that it can't unmount after a reboot before it's mounted06:07
benwcanyone here host websites w/ ubuntu?06:07
jasoncohenso that you don't have this issue06:07
parabolize:P06:07
tritiumjasoncohen, oh, I've never used it06:07
thoreauputicpatrickj: go to http://xwinman and have a browse around06:07
patrickjwell I want to install openbox and use it instead of gnome ;p06:07
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thoreauputicsorry  http://xwinman.org06:08
thr1cewhy openbox?06:08
thr1ceuse flux06:08
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patrickjokay flux it is :d06:08
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abofaisalI have a fresh install of Ubuntu and any GTK apps are crashing; gnome refuses to start.  I installed Kubuntu desktop and KDE and all K apps are fine, just gtk ones won't start.  Any ideas what's wrong?06:08
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patrickjnow, how can I get fluxbox installed?06:08
robotgeekpatrickj, apt-get install fluxbox06:09
thr1cepatrickj: sudo apt-get install fluxbox06:09
thr1cebut, if you have to ask that...you might want to stick to gnome06:09
patrickjlol well I can handle it dont worry06:09
robotgeekpatrickj, you might also be interested in openbox!06:09
Computer__Guruokay okay, everybody calm down06:09
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Computer__Guruit's gonna be okay.. im back now06:09
patrickjI used to use flux, with FC2 but it was different then ;)06:09
Computer__Guruwhats openbox?06:09
nomasteryodagm78, thanks06:10
thr1ceopenbox is flux without tabs06:10
robotgeekComputer__Guru, openbox is another window manager06:10
parabolizepatrickj, read bottom of page http://torsmo.sourceforge.net/readme.php06:10
gm78nomasteryoda, did u happen to run apt-get update after editing the file?06:10
nomasteryodaya06:10
Computer__Guruwhy would you not want tabs?06:10
nomasteryodait did so without error06:10
jasmuzrobotgeek: you are doing too much propaganda to openbox06:10
patrickjokay flux installed, how I make it main WM?06:10
robotgeekthr1ce, i never understood tabs? why wud it be useful?06:10
gm78nomasteryoda, apt-get clean???06:11
nomasteryodaer, no.. that is when error happened06:11
parabolizepatrickj, select it in GDM06:11
nomasteryodalet me try it06:11
thr1cerobotgeek: to have 3 aterms in one window?06:11
thr1ceplus flux is much more customizable06:11
patrickjlol, gdm?06:11
parabolizepatrickj, that login scren06:11
patrickjlol06:11
parabolizescreen06:11
robotgeekcan't it just alt-tab thru my aterms?06:11
patrickjok one sec06:11
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patrickjbrb06:12
thr1cerobotgeek: and for menu transparency, key binding, shaping window / menu borders...06:12
thoreauputicrobotgeek: sure - it just depends how you prefer to organise things06:12
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robotgeekthr1ce, i don't use menu's anyways. but to each, his own! I have it all bu shortcuts06:13
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nomasteryodagm78, nah...still same error06:13
thoreauputicrobotgeek: window managers are useful for theoogical arguments ;-)06:13
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nomyodaseems hosed06:13
robotgeekplus, guys who try to use my computer are always messed up!06:13
thoreauputic*theological06:13
robotgeekthoreauputic, like an editors war?06:13
thoreauputicrobotgeek: exactly :)06:13
robotgeek:)06:14
thr1cemm kate =] 06:14
robotgeekoh crap, i shudn't smile. M$ will sue!06:14
thoreauputiced! man ed! ed is the editor!06:14
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thoreauputicrobotgeek: haha yeah :  :( (patent pending)06:14
robotgeekvi forever!06:15
parabolizerobotgeek, lol. widows users hiting the super_L key and geting gmrun. :-)06:15
robotgeek:))06:15
nomasteryodagm78, see the line that says "dpkg-reconfigure --force mythtv-database"06:15
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nomasteryodagm78, I try to run the command it it runs... but what is the username/password - I got to enter a passwd, but not a username during install06:16
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patrickjback06:16
patrickjI think i will use openbox indtead06:16
thr1cepatrickj: don't want menu transparency, nice rounded borders?06:17
patrickj?06:17
patrickjwhat terminal apps can I get that I always see in these flux screens thats embedded into the desktop?06:18
nomasteryodagm78, found this post06:18
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nomasteryodatrying to follow06:18
nomasteryodahttp://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2005-February/076482.html06:18
patrickjand how can I configure resolution and such06:18
thr1ceborderless aterm, patrickj06:18
IIIEars  torsmo? system monitor06:18
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rob^patrickj, System -> Preferences -> Screen resolution06:18
thr1ceyou can just set "ToggleDecor" in ~/.fluxbox/keys, then, when pushed, it removes borders from anything06:18
robotgeeklucky we don't have a distro war here ;-) or do we?06:19
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patrickjim in flux06:19
robotgeekstupid wireless connections06:19
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IIIEarsrobotgeek - nah - thought it might be a civilized discussion of the virtues of EMACS?06:19
patrickjand what terminal should I use?06:20
robotgeekIIIEars, u mean the editor which needs a foot pedal?06:20
jasoncohentritium, the resize appears to be working06:20
tritiumjasoncohen, awesome :)06:20
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patrickjman, nautilus got opened, how do I get rid of it?06:20
jasoncohentritium, i'm running off the live-cd now and am resizing /06:21
jasoncohenthe live cd is quite cool :)06:21
jasoncohenbreezy is going to include gparted and other administrative tools06:21
jasoncohenon the live cd06:21
patrickjn/m06:21
gm78nomasteryoda, ur going to have to forgive me, im trying to do a bunch of things at once, i may take a minute to answer06:21
robotgeekpatrickj, open up gconf-editor06:21
tritiumglad it's working for you06:21
nomyodagm78, thanks for the effort06:21
thoreauputicpatrickj: I suggest installing rxvt-unicode -it is like aterm but supports utf-8 fonts (which ubuntu uses by default)06:21
gm78nomasteryoda, i have no clue....did u have mysql set up on the box before?06:21
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goodtodis smeg available on 64 bit?06:22
nomyodaer, only during this install06:22
nomyodalet me try to run it06:22
robotgeekpatrickj, err...i don't quite remember what i did there!06:22
thoreauputicpatrickj: to get it to look nice you use various options like "urxvt -tr " for transparency06:22
thr1ceaterm is the best for customization06:22
patrickjokay I need torsmo to go on startup06:22
robotgeekpatrickj, put it in your .xsession file06:23
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parabolizepatrickj, did you read http://torsmo.sourceforge.net/readme.php ?06:23
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thoreauputicthr1ce: not necessarily - I use aterm but urxvt is very similar06:23
thr1cethoreauputic: very true...but I think aterm has a few more options, doesn't it ?06:23
patrickjwhich is better, flux or openbox?06:23
robotgeek:)06:23
parabolizeneather06:23
thr1cepatrickj: try them both dude06:23
FoamY_is_Drunkhey peeps whats up ? ^_^06:23
patrickjlol nah ill stick with flux :p06:24
gm78nomyoda, no prob....didnt exactly do anything tho :-P why does ur name keep changing06:24
thoreauputicthr1ce: probably - I think it depends on how it was compiled06:24
FoamY_is_Drunkcause i'm drunk and i said so ^_^06:24
robotgeekthe part what i liked abt openbox is that i can use it with gnome. I am waiting for network-manager :)06:24
thoreauputicpatrickj: read the docs at http://fluxbox.org   - thay are very useful06:24
nomyodagm78, sorry06:24
IIIEarstransparency app for Gnome r KDE?06:25
IIIEars*or06:25
nomyodacause I'm on the ubuntu box with the mythtv i'm tryin tget working06:25
nomyodalonger name is on my suse box06:25
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patrickjhow can I check resolution in Flux06:26
patrickj?06:26
thr1ceedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf06:26
robotgeekopenbox + devilspie..way to go!06:26
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thoreauputicpatrickj: to just see your resolution you can run xvidtune06:26
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Lunahello all...I need to install xlibs-dev...but I cannot due to the dependancies of zliblg-dev needing an older version of zliblg...any suggestions?06:27
parabolizepatrickj, openbox, torsmo and gnome playing nice with each other: http://users.adelphia.net/~phann8/images/Screenshot2005-06-27.png06:27
patrickjdamm...I need aterm now06:27
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robotgeek:)06:27
patrickjlol i think I will check out OpenBox06:28
robotgeekyay!!06:28
thoreauputicLuna: check your apt sources: xlibs-dev should install fine, so you have some kind of repository conflict06:28
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patrickjwhats the panel app?06:29
Lunathoreauputic: Ermm...sorry to sound a n00b...(I am n00b to ubuntu) how do I check that?06:29
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thoreauputicLuna: the file is /etc/apt/sources.list06:29
robotgeekfor the music thing?06:29
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parabolizepatrickj, gnome-panel06:29
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patrickjoh, does it run by default?06:30
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qt2...ipodder needs a Beep plugin.06:30
parabolizepatrickj, in gnome yes06:30
patrickjin openbox...06:30
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thoreauputicLuna: you *are* using apt or synaptic, aren't yoU?06:30
parabolizeno06:30
robotgeekbeep..very nice, skips less too06:30
Lunathoreauputic: synaptic, yes. And what am I looking for in that file?06:30
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thoreauputicLuna: have you enabled any 3rd party repositories?06:31
IIIEars"A program called 'kicker' is slowing down your machine. It may have a bug that is causing this, or it just may be busy.  Would you like to stop the progem?" - What is kicker?06:31
Lunathoreauputic: heh..of course.06:31
patrickjdoes it go by default in openbox?06:31
thoreauputicLuna: that's your problem then06:31
parabolizepatrickj, just read http://torsmo.sourceforge.net/readme.php and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34239&highlight=openbox+howto06:32
nomyodaIIIEars, the taskbar, tray in KDE06:32
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Lunathoreauputic: the only ones are the back-ports and hoary-extras06:32
patrickjthanks06:32
IIIEarsstop kicker and the tray will refresh itself?06:32
parabolizepatrickj, np06:32
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nomyodaIIIEars,  usually06:32
Grafitehey guys  i was thinking of using linux instead of windows  is there any tips you could give me06:32
patrickjbtw, linux is the best :d06:32
patrickjbut once again how can I check.change resolution easily?06:33
rob^Grafite, just do it! :P06:33
patrickji need 1280x102406:33
jasmuzGrafite: what do you want to learn to do?06:33
thoreauputicLuna: try commenting them out, reloading, and then try installing xlibs-dev - I expect there's a conflict with newer/older packages06:33
caskeyHow do I get the kernel sources to compile modules against?06:33
Grafitelike hardware difficulties etc.06:33
Lunathoreauputic: I will try that.06:33
vader1102Graphite:......try the live Ubuntu cd, you will love it06:33
IIIEarsnomyoda - Thanks (crosses fingers holds breath circles chair exactly three times. *click*06:33
Grafiteok06:33
jasmuzGrafite: www.linuxquestions/HCL for hardware compability list06:33
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Grafitethat gives me a look at wat its like doe it?06:33
thoreauputicLuna: I suggest only usinf backports if you *absolutely* have to ( say for codecs )06:34
thoreauputic*using06:34
Grafitethnx jsmuz06:34
nomyodaIIIEars, well, you can always do Alt+F then type kicker again06:34
patrickjbrb again06:34
IIIEarsnice tip  :006:34
parabolizepatrickj, gnome-control-center06:34
nomyodawelcome06:34
parabolizeto slow06:34
parabolize:(06:34
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IIIEars:)06:34
qt2thoreauputic, what's wrong with backports?06:34
robotgeekthoreauputic, the codecs are only for x86 machines though, right?06:34
jasmuzGrafite: the Live cd will show you what will work and what wont without having to install06:34
caskeyn/m found it: sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r`06:35
Lunathoreauputic: Yep..shes installing just fine now. Follow up..are the backposts and extras really even needed ever?06:35
Grafiteok  i tried that with goblinx06:35
thoreauputicqt2: nothing as such - but I would comment them out after using them personally06:35
Grafiteand it wouldnt work wid my Sound card06:35
jasmuzGrafite: what is your soundcard?06:35
thoreauputicqt2: as you see, it solved the problem for Luna06:35
vader1102Graphite: I have been using ubuntu for about a week now and I love it06:36
Lunayes, yes it did. Thanks thoreauputic!06:36
GrafiteJamuz: its a Maya soundcard..... is that site a .com or .org or wat??06:36
jasmuzGrafite: .org www.linuxquestions.org06:36
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patrickjello again06:36
qt2thoreauputic, *shrug* i never really understood exactly what backports were anyway...06:36
qt2hm..06:36
vader1102is it listed in the HCL for ubuntu?06:36
qt2!backports06:36
ubotuit has been said that backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports06:36
patrickjim in openbox and the panel Is not enabled...06:36
qt2;)06:36
Grafitethnx jas06:37
tritiumnalioth, any luck with the iMac yet?06:37
thoreauputicrobotgeek: yes, w32codecs are x86 only06:37
FoamY_is_Drunkthoreauputic, hey man whats up?06:37
naliothtritium: alas, breezy and fc4 are the only things that'll even boot06:37
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naliothtritium: and they both miss finding critical hardware06:37
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thoreauputicqt2: in simple terms, newer stuff made to work with the current Hoary06:37
robotgeekthoreauputic, cool.06:37
naliothtritium: like Hard Drives and other trivial stuff like that06:38
tritiumnalioth, darn06:38
ed1tnalioth, fc is evil!06:38
vader1102Graphite: the best thing I have found is to sit back and watch the text, I have learned a lot from this channel06:38
thoreauputicFoamY_is_Drunk: I'm stone cold sober :D06:38
cyphasehey everyone06:38
Grafiteok vader06:38
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FoamY_is_Drunkthoreauputic, wow man you should take a break and party and dance man ^_^06:39
parabolizepatrickj, use gnome. replace metacity with openbox. stop nautilus from rendering to desktop06:39
parabolizegrr06:39
thoreauputicFoamY_is_Drunk: heh - dancing in here would be life-threatening ;)06:39
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vader1102so much in fact that I have figure out how to install and configure a game that I love in Windows called TMW, it was hard to do of course but it works great!06:39
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FoamY_is_Drunkthoreauputic,  ouch ^_^ where the heck are ya06:39
thoreauputicFoamY_is_Drunk: in a messy room full of hardware :)06:40
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Grafiteare there programs to emulate windows so that u can run some windows programs on linux06:40
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FoamY_is_Drunkthoreauputic,  nice my kinda place06:40
IIIEarswin4lin06:40
jasmuzGrafite: yes06:40
IIIEarsvmware06:41
Grafiteok kool06:41
vader1102IIIEars: what is that?06:41
naliothGrafite: the most common 'emulater' is called 'wine'06:41
jasmuzGrafite: what type of software would you need to run?06:41
Grafitewat are the programs called?/06:41
Grafite?06:41
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IIIEarsNX box (not really an emulator)06:41
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vader1102ok06:41
Grafiteumm..  i would like to use adobe photoshop and microsoft word06:41
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IIIEarswin4lin might be your first stop.06:42
FoamY_is_Drunkteamspeak server ip is :24.177.160.171:8767 (log in as anonomus06:42
jasmuzWine, (programs), Cedega (Games must pay for it), Crossover Office06:42
thoreauputicWine Is Not an Emulator  *grin*06:42
IIIEarscedega for gaming.06:42
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Madpilotdoes anyone else have a problem with the stability of Ubuntu's default Audio CD Player?06:42
FoamY_is_Drunkcedega rocks ^_^06:42
rob^Grafite, Open Office will read/save Microsoft Word docs06:42
Madpilotin Hoary?06:42
jasmuzGrafite: man!....why would you need MS Word if you will have OpenOffice as a default06:42
evaderIs there an estimate how long it will be until Breezy is reasonably stable? So that X/Firefox isn't breaking all the time?06:43
jasmuzMadpilot: you arent the only one06:43
IIIEarsAh - open office would be better. - missed it.06:43
thoreauputicMadpilot: I don't use it - I use beep-media-player with digital output06:43
robotgeekMadpilot, i was with the same problem, Beep-Media-player seems very nice06:43
jasmuzevader: how about when it goes FINAL06:43
evaderWhat's the date on that?06:44
thoreauputicevader: as they say, "when it's ready'06:44
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thoreauputicor RealSoonNow (tm)06:44
jasmuzevader: Ubuntu uses 6 months releases, next is scheduled to be in October06:44
evaderThanks06:44
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Grafitehey with ubantu do u have to install the software to upgrade to the latest version?06:45
thoreauputicGrafite: that's a very unclear question...06:46
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thoreauputicGrafite: Hoary is the current "latest version"06:47
Grafitek06:47
vader1102well, time for vader1102 to go nite nite........sleepy time for me, nite all06:47
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FoamY_is_Drunkteamspeak server ip is :24.177.160.171:8767 (log in as anonomus06:48
FoamY_is_Drunkopps sorry double paste06:48
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FoamY_is_Drunkyour all still welcome though06:48
benwc_anyone know an alternative to the ip_alias mod?06:48
Computer__Guruyou're all06:48
Grafitebrb06:49
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FoamY_is_DrunkIIIEars, hey man whats up?06:50
robotgeekFoamY_is_Drunk, what's teamspeak?06:50
FoamY_is_Drunkparty at my teamspeak server ^_^06:50
FoamY_is_Drunkit's a free voice program06:50
thoreauputicbenwc: what are you trying to achieve?06:50
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FoamY_is_Drunkrobotgeek, http://www.goteamspeak.com/downloads.php06:51
FoamY_is_Drunkis where you can get it06:51
FoamY_is_Drunkfor win mac or linux06:51
rob^whos on teamspeak?06:51
benwc_thoreauputicI have 13 IP address an I can only use one right now. I want to bind the others to my nix box06:52
robotgeeklinux ppc, even?06:52
robotgeeknope :(06:52
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FoamY_is_Drunkmaybe06:52
FoamY_is_Drunkit will work06:52
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FoamY_is_Drunkyou won't know unless you try06:52
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thoreauputicbenwc_: ah I see - that's beyond my level, i fear06:53
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benwc_thx thoreauputic06:53
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benwc_any network gods here?06:53
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rob^depends..06:54
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benwc_!search network god06:54
ubotubenwc_: I don't know, could you explain it?06:54
benwc_heh06:54
benwc_I have 13 IP address an I can only use one right now. I want to bind the others to my nix box06:54
nomasteryodagm78, thanks... giving up for now...time to play a game06:55
benwc_67.53.91.114/12606:55
nomasteryodawill do more tomorrow06:55
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Grafiteis ubantu better than say mandriva or suse?06:55
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robotgeekGrafite, yup06:55
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hondjebetter is subjective06:55
rob^Grafite, each has its good and bad points06:55
robotgeekthoughm i havent used any others than ubuntu . lol!06:55
thoreauputicGrafite: try them and decide for yourself :)06:56
benwc_ubontu I want to point enable 115 - 12606:56
Madpilotthis is the #ubuntu channel, we're not terribly objective ;)06:56
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Grafiteyeh but i dont have the time to install one try it and then uninstall it etc..06:56
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rob^Grafite, just grab the Ubuntu Live cd then06:57
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rob^stick it into your cdrom, reboot computer06:57
Grafitewill do06:57
rob^too easy really.06:57
thoreauputicGrafite: well, if you ask that question in #ubuntu, we will all swear ubuntu is the best of course ;)06:57
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Grafitelol06:57
FoamY_is_DrunkUBUNTU IS THE BEST ^_^06:57
FoamY_is_Drunksorry for caps06:58
robotgeekur drunk, it's all right!06:58
MadpilotFoamY_is_Drunk: should you drink and post? ;)06:58
FoamY_is_DrunkMadpilot, you know i don't know ^_^06:58
FoamY_is_DrunkMadpilot, is that illegal O_o06:59
thoreauputicMadpilot: yet another argument in favour of sudo: running as root when drunk... ;-)06:59
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FoamY_is_Drunkthoreauputic, i don't run as root unless all else fails06:59
Madpilotthoreauputic: ROFL... add that to the wiki, please!06:59
thoreauputicFoamY_is_Drunk: wise man :)07:00
benwcubotu any ideas?07:00
ubotubenwc: I don't know, could you explain it?07:00
Madpilotbenwc: you do know that uBOTu is a bot, don't you?07:00
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FoamY_is_Drunkubotu hi07:00
ubotuhola, foamy_is_drunk07:00
benwcah foo :P07:00
thoreauputicbenwc: a bit desperate talking to the channel bot :)07:00
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benwcI am  I neeeed help :(07:00
benwc7am til 12 am so far07:01
FoamY_is_Drunk!offtopic07:01
ubotuFoamY_is_Drunk: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?07:01
FoamY_is_Drunk>.< where is the ubuntu off topic channel?07:01
thoreauputic#ubuntu-offtopic07:01
benwcthoreauputic nay ideas?07:02
Ninwauboto, it's smaller than a microwave.07:02
benwcoh nm07:02
benwcI fogot the level thing07:02
robotgeekNinwa, in case u din't know, ubotu is a bot!07:02
NinwaI know.07:02
robotgeeksorry!07:02
Ninwa:)07:02
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thoreauputicbenwc: my network has only 4 machines and is set up with static addresses :)07:03
rootbeerhow can I change the package manager to update via the web rather than the CDROM?07:03
benwcubotu you really had me fooled there ;)07:03
ubotuWish i knew, benwc07:03
benwcthoreauputic internal of external?07:03
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benwcthat bot is a very nice07:04
thoreauputicbenwc: I just have internal IPs static - I'm on dialup (yeah, I know...)07:04
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FoamY_is_Drunkhmm my media player seems to have failed07:04
benwcthoreauputic hehe07:04
FoamY_is_Drunkor the website went down07:05
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benwc:)07:06
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jasmuzbenwc: haha,07:07
thoreauputicbenwc: 40407:07
benwcbrain == 50007:07
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benwcomg why won't nix let me have my ips :(  I'm soooo burnt out07:08
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thoreauputicFoamy's quit message should have said "connection reset by beer"07:08
benwchehe07:08
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dabaRhi07:09
Madpilotbenwc: wait until ubotu accuses you of smoking crack. then you'll see it's other side... ;)07:09
robotgeekhi07:09
robotgeek:)07:09
benwcMadpilot that's awsome07:10
thoreauputic!crack ?07:10
ubotuI haven't a clue, thoreauputic07:10
benwcubotu smokes what ? crack07:10
ubotubenwc: Are you smoking crack?07:10
thoreauputicubotu seems to have become more polite07:10
ubotuthoreauputic: Are you smoking crack?07:10
robotgeek!ubuto07:10
Grafitedo u need virus or spyware protection?  on linux systems07:10
benwcbahaha07:10
uboturobotgeek: Bugger all, i dunno07:10
thoreauputichaha07:10
thoreauputici spoke too soon!07:10
jasmuzGrafite: Noooo07:11
vinboyhow do I make the window so that is doesn't animate when I minimise or maximise it?07:11
Grafitegood07:11
robotgeek!info crack!07:11
Computer__GuruI have a new motto07:11
Madpilotthoreauputic: :)07:11
Grafitedownloading Live cd @ the moment07:11
benwclmfao07:11
Computer__GuruSpeak softly, and swing a BIG STICK07:11
jasmuzComputer__Guru: hahaha07:11
MadpilotComputer__Guru: sorry, that's someone else's old model...07:11
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Madpilot*motto07:11
Computer__Guruno, his was speak softly and carry a big stick07:11
dabaRvinboy the little square?07:12
Computer__Gurumine is swing a big stick :D07:12
Madpilotswing, carry, OK... why swing instead of carry?07:12
robotgeekswing carries with it implications of java!07:12
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Computer__GuruI'm more for action as opposed to the threat of action07:13
Grafitewere do iget additional programs for ubantu07:13
Grafite?07:13
benwcwb Jet2k507:13
MadpilotGrafite: the repos, via Synaptic07:13
Madpilot!repos07:14
ubotuwell, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto07:14
Madpilot!synaptic07:14
ubotusynaptic is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto07:14
MadpilotGrafite: see those two ubotu posts07:14
thoreauputicbenwc: you need to wave a dead chicken at the right phase of the moon :)07:14
dabaRvinboy: if you are talking about the little square that is there, it is a metacity settings, I believe. GO to Apps>System Tools>COnf Editor. Apps>Metacity07:14
Grafiteyeh07:14
benwcoh yeah   shoot... I need a chicken07:14
Grafitei thi nk?07:14
dabaRvinboy: from there, General>reduced resources checkbox.07:15
pking1977any kubuntu users here?07:15
thoreauputicbenwc: sacrificing a couple of virgins is good too - if you can find any ;-)07:15
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dabaRvinboy: and you better read this cause you asked.07:15
dabaRor else:)07:15
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benwcheh07:16
benwce07:16
pking1977tyson should never of been let back in the ring07:16
pking1977after that fight07:16
Jet2k5ty benwc07:16
benwcnp07:16
Jet2k5still here? Didn't fix your problem I take it?07:16
benwcnope 19 hours and counting07:17
Grafitehey wats the fastest internet connection u guys have got??07:17
Jet2k5benwc: :(07:17
benwc6mb down07:17
Jet2k5damn07:17
Grafitewicked07:17
rob^512k dowb07:17
Jet2k5University?07:17
Jet2k51.7mb down DSL07:17
thoreauputicGrafite: about 56k dialup on a good day :)07:17
benwcpay 200.00 usd / month07:17
rob^bloody telstra07:17
Jet2k5amen to that :P07:17
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Jet2k5benwc: what company is this?07:18
Grafitecuz im in australia and the fastest u can get here is 4mb down  on cable07:18
benwcroadrunner biz07:18
Grafitei only got 1.5mb07:18
Jet2k5ah07:18
Grafitedown07:18
Jet2k5Live in the southern parts of the US?07:18
Jet2k5Grafite: DsL?07:18
robotgeekJet2k5, u mean like TX?07:18
Grafiteyeh adsl07:18
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benwcspikes up to 7 sometimes but between 3-4mb consistant07:18
Gatton1.5 dsl here as well. but i'm slightly rural and am happy to have even that07:19
Jet2k5robotgeek: no Florida has road runner too :)07:19
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robotgeek:)07:19
GrafiteGatton :  u an ozzy??07:19
benwcI can DL 20 mb in 1 - 1.5 minutes from some servers07:19
RoninRR in central FL sucks big time07:19
GattonGrafite, nah southern US07:19
Grafitewicked07:19
Grafiteo ok07:19
Jet2k5Ronin: why you live there?>07:19
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Grafiteur name is the same as a town here07:20
Grafitethats all07:20
benwcI can't use all my stupid IPs though :(07:20
robotgeekmusic -> #ubuntu-music07:20
RoninJet2k5, no I'm talking about some place I don't live07:20
dabaRaussie07:20
HaroldEvening, all07:20
Grafite??07:20
Gattonrobotgeek, what kind of music they playing in there? :)07:20
Jet2k5Ronin: ok, I would say so because it's almost in the middle of no where07:20
robotgeekGatton, nothing yet!07:20
Jet2k5if you are talkinga bout south of Orlando07:20
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Jet2k5near lake okachobi07:21
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dabaRsup Harold.07:21
patrickjokay im back, had to re-install07:21
RoninJet2k5, no where near there, but CFL is far from "the middle of nowhere"07:21
patrickjand I wanted to run openbox like in that image07:21
nalioth_zZzHarold: you arrive when i'm goin to bed07:21
Haroldnalioth_zZz, Yes07:21
patrickjin the screen07:21
HaroldSup dabaR?07:21
dabaRin which screen?07:21
Jet2k5Ronin: where I live it is :P07:22
patrickjumm last one I got sent07:22
patrickjI just need to know how to configure openbox properly with Ubuntu07:22
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RoninJet2k5, hows your connection there?07:22
Haroldnalioth_zZz, I'm just here for a few minutes07:22
Jet2k51.7mb DSL07:22
Jet2k5Ronin:  I live in Cape Coral, not CFL07:22
Jet2k5more like SWFL07:22
Jet2k5But it's also in the middle of no where07:22
Roninoh07:22
Haroldnalioth_zZz, So is traffic picking up with the big launch on Tuesday?07:22
Grafiteim gettin bout 115kb a sec ondownload07:22
dabaRpatrickj: the best way to figure that out is likely google+#openbox, I doubt many ppl use openbox here.07:23
dabaRpatrickj: good luck tho.07:23
Jet2k5I get about 180 kb/s download07:23
patrickjdabaR, do you?07:23
benwcI think my mozilla downloader lies about the speed... seems impossible for those speeds07:23
Jet2k5and 190 on good servers, and 200+ on some god given days07:23
parabolizepatrickj, read it PLEASE http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34239&highlight=openbox+howto07:23
Jet2k5benwc: No matter how fast your speed is, there are servers that aren't that fast07:23
Grafiteok?07:24
dabaRpatrickj: nope07:24
HarolddabaR, How're ya?07:24
vinboythanks dabaR07:24
fabbionehi guys07:24
HarolddabaR, C++'n it.07:24
fabbionecan somebody be so kind to write a pipe for me?07:24
dabaRvinboy: welcome07:24
thoreauputic|07:25
Jet2k5fabbione: a weed pipe?  sure ... :P07:25
HarolddabaR, I remember you; were we discussing programming languages?07:25
vinboybut.. its not that07:25
dabaRHarold: almost great, I am a little sad heard some bad news today...you remind me of them, cause they concern a guy named Harry,.07:25
dabaRHarold: I doubt it.07:25
HarolddabaR, Or was it about Mac?07:25
fabbioneJet2k5: just a pipe... i doomed my keyboard and i need to search for something07:25
HarolddabaR, I'm sorry to hear that.07:25
dabaRya, me too.07:25
Jet2k5fabbione: I can try07:25
dabaRHarold: prolly mac.07:25
thoreauputicfabbione:   here's  a pipe |07:25
fabbionethoreauputic: thanks07:25
Jet2k5thoreauputic: that's mighty big there captin'!07:26
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HarolddabaR, Or maybe it was getting my wifi card going?07:26
patrickjI wanna configure it with fbpanel07:26
HarolddabaR, Anyway, nice to see you again.07:26
dabaRone of those, mac likely07:26
dabaRya, you too:)07:26
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Jet2k5macs are over rated07:26
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HarolddabaR, Are you on an iBook?07:26
Jet2k5haah fooled you robotgeek I don't have one!07:26
Jet2k5:P07:26
benwcuploaded 4,574,559 bytes in 43 seconds07:27
rootbeerI'm looking at buying a laptop soon...   ibook / powerbook are some of what I've looked at.07:27
Jet2k5I wish I sorta did, I never ever played with Mac OSX07:27
benwcnot bad07:27
dushtabuddhihello, any news of firefox probs being fixed ? i dont want to get the backports one07:27
HaroldPlease let's not get started with the Mac versus PC thing.07:27
dabaRHarold: not now, no, I dont use ubuntu on the iBook any more07:27
dabaRno wireless, and that is where I mostly use the 'book..07:27
hybrid_gothrootbeer: ubuntu on a mac owns!!!!07:27
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Jet2k5dushtabuddhi: no but I can tell you that it crashes on me while looking at certain websites07:27
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hybrid_gothi have a g3 ibook is awesome07:27
HaroldAre you running Ubuntu now?07:27
Jet2k5Harold: I don't think anyone is07:27
robotgeekhybrid_goth, i think u meant me...now i just need to get the video out to work07:27
dushtabuddhiJet2k5, mine crashes as soon as i close a tab :(07:28
rootbeerhybrid_goth, not sure what to do??  ibook / powerbook == $$$$$$$$07:28
HaroldJet2k5, You're right.07:28
parabolizepatrickj, http://fbpanel.sourceforge.net/docs.html07:28
HaroldJet2k5, Prolly 'cuz this is a good forum.07:28
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Jet2k5dushtabuddhi: did you run it from console, and see what errors it spits out?07:28
Jet2k5Harold: ;)] 07:28
dabaRrootbeer: notice that wireless on g4 p/ibooks dont work.07:28
rootbeercould get a cheap AMD / intel cheapy laptop and do the same thing.07:28
HaroldJet2k5, Seriously, it is.07:28
dabaRin linux, that is.07:28
dushtabuddhiJet2k5, Segfault07:28
Grafitehey wats the diff between Kubantu and  Ebantu?07:28
Jet2k5dushtabuddhi: :( those are helpless :P07:28
dabaRkubuntu, ubuntu07:29
dushtabuddhi:(07:29
hybrid_gothrobotgeek: whats up with it07:29
Jet2k5fragile: there is an Ebantu?07:29
rootbeerdabaR, so you're saying stick with osx then?  to use the wireless capabilities.07:29
HaroldGrafite, Those sounds like Star Wars species.07:29
thoreauputicGrafite: none - you mis-spelled both07:29
Jet2k5what does that mean in african? Friendly Human Elephant?07:29
Grafiteok07:29
robotgeekhybrid_goth, the display out doesn't work.07:29
benwcJet2k5 here http://performance.toast.net/default.asp?allservers=107:29
dabaRyes, you cant use linux with the airport xtreme07:29
patrickjwill it work fine in ubuntu?07:29
rootbeerdabaR, booooo  that sux.07:29
hybrid_gothno yet for APX07:29
robotgeeki use a pcmcia wireless card!07:29
dabaRagreed:(07:29
parabolizepatrickj, never tried07:29
gigaclonwhats the package to enable MP3 playback in XMMS?07:29
Haroldrobotgeek, That's nice.07:29
rootbeerwould like to get a laptop and use the all the toys.07:29
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MadpilotGrafite: kubuntu is ubuntu w/ KDE. Edubuntu is something new, networked Ubuntu for schools or something07:30
rootbeerubuntu has been pretty good to me thus far...07:30
Grafitethen why do they have different sites and versions?07:30
dabaRhttp://icculus.org/openbox/07:30
Haroldrobotgeek, I'd like to get my pcmcia USB 2.0 card going.07:30
Grafiteok07:30
Grafiteis kde better?07:30
thoreauputicgigaclon: it plays mp3 by default - set the output plugin to "esound"07:30
gigaclonit is07:30
HaroldGrafite, Everyone's going to have an opinion on that.  KDE vs. Gnome07:30
gigaclonstill crashes07:30
thoreauputicGrafite: that's a subject for holy wars07:30
robotgeekHarold, okay...cool, which one do u have?07:31
Madpilot!holy war07:31
dabaRpatrickj: check out that URL, to see the openbox web site07:31
ubotuMadpilot: Bugger all, i dunno07:31
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rob^Grafite, try both and see07:31
Grafiteim a noob remember07:31
parabolizepatrickj, if there is a package there is a way. ubuntu has a fbpanel package07:31
Haroldrobotgeek, I have a Dynex card...07:31
Grafitewats the diff between gnome and kde?07:31
rob^Grafite, well there is only one way to find out for sure07:31
robotgeekrob^, boooo!07:31
patrickjhmm cool07:31
Haroldrobotgeek, Dynes DX-UC202] 07:31
Jet2k5Grafite: both have their ups and down, advantages and flaws07:31
rob^heh07:31
patrickjill just stick with using gnome with it :p07:31
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Grafitewat would they be?07:31
Haroldrobotgeek, Ooops, Dynex DX-UC20207:31
Jet2k5I personally prefer both, I like kde and gnome, but I like ubuntu so I use gnome07:31
thoreauputicGrafite: have a look at gnome-look.org and kde-look.org07:31
Grafitethnx07:32
patrickjactually, Nah ill use fbpanel07:32
parabolizepatrickj, whats wrong with gnome-panel? to slow?07:32
Jet2k5Grafite: well usually kde get's the " kde is bloated "07:32
Jet2k5gnome doesn't07:32
patrickjwell not really07:32
benwcnight ubuntuians07:32
Jet2k5then people say gnome lacks in apps like browser07:32
HaroldGrafite, And then look into xcfe4.07:32
Grafite?07:32
Jet2k5and stuff like that07:32
patrickji guess ill use it but will nautilus still be going?07:32
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patrickjnautilus HAS TO GO07:32
patrickjlol07:32
HaroldGrafite, It's another X Window system.07:32
robotgeekHarold, on it07:33
Grafite? wats that?07:33
benwcif I ever find out how to get all my ips working I'll come back and share w/ everyone07:33
ahvargasanyone knows how to apply a patch to the kernel?07:33
parabolizepatrickj, READ THE BOTTOM http://torsmo.sourceforge.net/readme.php07:33
Haroldrobotgeek, Thanks07:33
jasmuzGrafite: you will have to test to tell07:33
Grafiteok07:34
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rootbeertoo bad ubuntu doesn't have a distro for ethereal.  :(07:34
HaroldGrafite, I'm using xfce4 because Gnome and KDE required too much memory for my system, really.  xcfe4 runs snappier - much snappier - on my old PowerBook.07:35
robotgeekHarold, do u know if it's supported under linux or not?07:35
rootbeertoo lazy waiting for source to compile...07:35
patrickjkk thanks07:35
Grafiteok07:35
Jet2k5netsplit!!!!!!!!!07:35
Jet2k5run07:35
Haroldrobotgeek, I do not know that.  There's no driver available that I know of, if that's what you mean...07:35
Jet2k5!!!!!!!!!!111107:35
ubotuI haven't a clue, Jet2k507:35
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patrickjwheres the gconf editor?07:35
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Haroldrobotgeek, ...leastways, I haven't located any.07:35
robotgeekokay..07:36
Jet2k5patrickj: Applications > System Tools > Gconf editor07:36
Grafitecan someone tell me the advantages of each one plz  cuz im confused07:36
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parabolizepatrickj, open a term type gconf-editor07:36
Jet2k5patrickj: that too ... but just incase you want it from the men07:36
Jet2k5u07:36
Grafite?07:36
Haroldrobotgeek, Here's the thing: I'm new to pcmcia on Ubuntu (and Linux), so I really don't know which commands to enter.  I have a feeling it's being recognized, though,  because I installed a package and it reports something when it's plugged in.07:36
Computer__Guruahvargas: kernel.org has some really good tutorials on building a kernel. make sure you download the source package from ubuntu though07:37
Jet2k5Does anyone know what CAS is on RAM?  Like what it does and what CAS is good?07:37
Haroldrobotgeek, It indicates something, in other words.07:37
patrickjokay thanks so much guys :"d07:37
Computer__Guruahvargas: and make it the same version as your kernel07:37
patrickjnow i dont need the top part of the panel either :d07:37
Grafiteso ubantu uses gnome does it??07:37
Haroldrobotgeek, So maybe it's already working.  Where/how would I check to see it it's mounted?  Dmesg?07:37
robotgeekHarold, what do u mean a usb pcmcia card, or just a USB wireless adapter?07:37
Jet2k5yes07:37
Jet2k5Grafite: yes07:37
Computer__Gurufor example: apt-get source linux-image-2.6.10-5-68607:38
Grafiteok07:38
parabolizepatrickj, so remove it. :)07:38
patrickjdelete panel?07:38
Haroldrobotgeek, Oh no, not wireless.  I finally got one of those running.  This is a pc card, a USB 2.0 hub.07:38
patrickjwell there is no longer a system tray.......07:38
parabolizepatrickj, yes07:38
parabolizepatrickj, add one to bottom panel07:38
patrickjadded it07:38
Computer__Gurunext type: sudo ln -s linux-image-2.6.10-5-686 /usr/src/linux07:38
Computer__Guruwell, follow the tutorials07:39
patrickjnice thanks :Ld07:39
Computer__Guruit's pretty straightforward, actually07:39
JzEHey... How can I make a shortcut?07:39
patrickjits simple07:39
robotgeekHarold, yeah dmesg would be the place to look for it07:39
Computer__GuruJzE: ony our desktop or int he filesystem?07:39
parabolizepatrickj, and clean. :)07:39
JzEdesktop07:39
tritiumyou want to "sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10"07:39
Grafitewat is slckware?07:39
Grafiteslackware07:40
Computer__Guruoh right click the desktop and select create new then link to application07:40
parabolizeevil07:40
patrickjopenbox is so much better07:40
Computer__Gurutritium: really? i sourced it07:40
Computer__Guruit worked *shrug*07:40
JzEcreate launcher?07:40
tritiumComputer__Guru, well, that linux-source package is the source ;)07:40
patrickjdo you think the top panel is at all necasary with openbox on and naut off?07:40
tritiumwith ubuntu patches07:40
Computer__Gurui would imagine they both are, no?07:40
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parabolizepatrickj, remeber to save session when you logout. or openbox go away.07:40
Computer__Guruah07:41
patrickjoh....GAH07:41
Computer__Gururight on07:41
patrickjnow to configure my system :p07:41
patrickjk what was the best embedded term?07:41
Computer__Guruwhat filemanager would you recommend for openbox?07:41
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patrickjI need one that stays on the desktop, so basically like aterm or something07:41
Computer__Gurupatrickj: konsole :>07:41
pking1977anyone have any problems installing ubuntu on a system that has an ATI 9600?07:41
fagrfirestarter show that there is an active connection to a pc which i know is offline using Sun-RPC portmap is this a security risk?07:41
patrickjno not konsole07:41
Haroldrobotgeek, I think I see it there.  How could I access it?  I've plugged in my iRiver and I've installed an iRiver package called ifp-line, a command-line tool for accessing an iRiver.  I've used this program before, but for some reason it's not accessing the iRiver on this system.07:41
patrickji need one like aterm07:41
parabolizepatrickj, I like eterm. but there is no best07:42
pking1977I get stuck after hiting enter the first time07:42
Computer__Gurukonsole with screen :D you are now free to detach around the desktop07:42
Computer__Guruxterm :>07:42
patrickjlol can i see screen of eterm?07:42
robotgeekHarold,  ah..no experiece with that...sorry!07:42
ksmurfhello all.... I'm just wondering what window manager is best besides gnome.... Gnome just doesn't do it for me07:42
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ksmurfI'm not looking for a flame war eitherr07:43
patrickjcan I change the width of the gnome panel?07:43
Computer__Guruksmurf: try kde :) sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop07:43
Haroldrobotgeek, That's okay.  Thanks anyway07:43
Computer__Gurupatrickj: yes07:43
robotgeekksmurf, openbox/fluxbox/XFce07:43
patrickjhow?07:43
parabolizepatrickj, http://www.eterm.org/07:43
Haroldrobotgeek, What if I wanted to plug a USB cable into the hub to connect it to another Mac.  How would I access/see this network?07:43
robotgeekComputer__Guru, try rox07:43
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robotgeekbut i don't use a file manager anyways07:44
Computer__Guruyah i dunno i dont really like rox07:44
Computer__Gurui mean its okay07:44
robotgeekHarold, no idea...sorry07:44
patrickjI want a borderless desktop embedded terminal07:44
ahvargasComputer__Guru:thanks07:44
Computer__Guruahvargas: find what you need?07:44
robotgeekpatrickj, what do u mean embedded?07:44
parabolizepatrickj, right click panel, propertes, expand07:44
ahvargasComputer__Guru:yes but i am trying to make sound work in a macmini07:45
Computer__Guruahvargas: the config file that ubuntu used is located in /boot/ it's called config-2.6.10-5-x8607:45
Haroldrobotgeek, Okey dokey07:45
JzEComputer__Guru: I need to execute one file and I want a shortcut to do that. So how do I make it?07:45
Haroldrobotgeek, Again, thanks07:45
patrickji mean like no border and it can be transparent07:45
patrickjlol07:45
JzEAnd I need to execute it in terminal07:45
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Computer__GuruJzE: kde or gnome?07:45
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JzEgnome07:45
ahvargasand i dont know how to configure yaboot07:46
parabolizepatrickj, for trans term on desktop http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36811&highlight=eterm+desktop07:46
robotgeekpatrickj, okay...gimme a moment..i know how to do this :)07:46
robotgeekin aterm!07:46
Haroldrobotgeek, Guess what?07:46
parabolizeboo!07:46
Computer__GuruJzE: well im not in gnome, but it's something to the term of right clicking ont he desktop, choosing new, then something along the lines of link to new application07:46
robotgeekHarold, it works out of the box?07:46
robotgeek:)07:46
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JzEthere are option like create folder create launcher and create document07:47
robotgeekparabolize, aterm..why not?07:47
Mikssomebody knows whats the address or link to access places "computer" ? like for a launcher in Documents would be nautilus --no-desktop --browser %U ?07:47
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patrickjthanks, perfect :D07:47
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Computer__Gurucreate launcher07:47
Haroldrobotgeek, LOL.  No, but check this: I haven't tried since yesterday, and I just plugged in my iRiver and it's now working.07:47
parabolizerobotgeek, no reason. I just use eterm07:47
JzEname,generic name,comment,command07:47
robotgeekHarold, cool07:47
Computer__Guruwhere it says command, type what you want it to do, and check the box for run in terminal07:47
patrickjcrap the apps arent showing up in right click menu anymore !!!07:47
Haroldrobotgeek, I *did* fiddle with some packages yesterday, so maybe I got it going.  Or maybe I just got lucky.07:47
robotgeekparabolize, i tried using eterm, but it doeesn't launch07:47
patrickjack how can I  make all apps show up in menu07:47
Computer__Guruor start a terminal first. put: konsole -e command07:48
Haroldls RECORD07:48
Computer__Guruthat will open a console and run your command in it07:48
HaroldOoops07:48
robotgeekHarold, :)07:48
HaroldI was trying to access my iRiver.  Wrong command, anyway...07:48
parabolizepatrickj edit copy your menu.xml to home folder and edit07:48
Computer__Gurulike i got a link that's: konsole -e top07:48
robotgeekpatrickj, do u still need help with openbox/aterm?07:48
patrickjnot totally07:49
HaroldNow I can do my podcasts on Ubuntu!07:49
patrickjim going to use the transparent eterm thing  paro gave me07:49
patrickjokay now, about that menu.xml file07:49
patrickjwhere is it?07:49
JzEHmm... The file I need to execute is in /home/user/cod/07:49
Computer__Guruprobably in ~/.eterm07:49
parabolizepatrickj, hold up I can't remember07:50
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JzESo what do I type on the command line?07:50
robotgeekpatrickj, rc.xml would be what u need07:50
Computer__GuruJzE: so for command, type: xterm -e command07:50
Computer__Guruxterm -e /home/user/whatever/whatever.bin07:50
patrickjok I just need the apps menu added and whatever else is there in openbox originally07:50
Computer__Guruor konsole07:51
Computer__Guruor gnome-terminal07:51
Computer__Guruor whatever floats your boat07:51
parabolizepatrickj, copy /etc/xdg/openbox/menu.xml to ~/.config/openbox07:51
robotgeekpatrickj, menu.xml is just for the menu u see, u specify what file to see in rc.xml07:51
Computer__Guruthey all pretty much accept -e command07:51
patrickjwhich one should I copy?07:51
robotgeekpatrickj, you might also want to see http://denu.sf.net a program to generate menu's for various window managers, if you do move around quite a bit :)07:52
parabolize/etc/xdg/openbox/menu.xml and /etc/xdg/openbox/rc.xml move both to ~/.config/openbox07:52
JzENow I have gnome-terminal -e /home/cod/cod/cod_lnxded07:52
JzEis it correct?07:52
patrickjim sticking with openbox for sure but it says cp: cannot create regular file `/home/patrick/.config/openbox': No such file or directory07:52
Computer__Guruyup07:52
Computer__Guruwitht hat command07:52
patrickjhere what I did:07:52
patrickjpatrick@mephion:~$ cp /etc/xdg/openbox/menu.xml ~/.config/openbox07:52
patrickjcp: cannot create regular file `/home/patrick/.config/openbox': No such file or directory07:52
Computer__GuruDO NOT check the box to run in terminal07:52
Computer__Guruit will do that automatically07:52
parabolizepatrickj, create the folders07:52
patrickjhow?07:53
patrickjlol07:53
patrickjj/k but what folders?07:53
parabolizepatrickj, nautilus07:53
patrickjumm....little more details plz?07:53
patrickjlol07:53
robotgeekmkdir ~/.config07:53
parabolizepatrickj, .config and openbox07:53
Computer__Guruthat should work for you07:53
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robotgeekmkdir ~/.config/openbox07:53
parabolizewhat robotgeek said07:53
dabaRanyone know how to change the picture of the root window(desktop)?07:54
BlazingSteakSaucwhat do i use to enable root access for my user on ubuntu07:54
JzEhmm... the terminal flashes but nothing happens07:54
Computer__Guruxsetroot, isnt it?07:54
Computer__Guruwhatis xsetroot:07:54
Computer__Guruxsetroot (1x)        - root window parameter setting utility for X07:54
Computer__Guruyup,t hats it07:54
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patrickjpatrick@mephion:~$ mkdir ~/.config/openbox07:54
patrickjmkdir: cannot create directory `/home/patrick/.config/openbox': No such file or directory07:54
Computer__Guruyou can set your root window to just about anything07:55
Computer__Gurumine was a working pinball game for a while :)07:55
robotgeek!info feh07:55
ubotufeh: (imlib2 based image viewer), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 1.2.7-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 271 kB, Installed size: 500 kB07:55
JzEComputer__Guru: Didn't work07:55
BlazingSteakSauchow you set current user with root rights07:55
patrickjis there any way to add back the top panel?07:55
parabolizepatrickj, did you do .config first?07:55
patrickjjust temporarily07:56
patrickjno lol07:56
rob^does one need to install fakeroot before installing sun java, or is fakeroot part of a default Ubuntu install07:56
parabolizepatrickj, mkdir ~/.config then mkdir ~/.config/openbox07:56
patrickjthen copy the files?07:57
robotgeeki finally got a winamp4 skin for BMP. i feel very comfortable07:57
parabolizepatrickj, yes07:57
patrickjdidnt do anything...menus not fixed :907:57
patrickj:(07:57
parabolizepatrickj, now you edit them. :)07:58
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parabolizehere is mine: http://users.adelphia.net/~phann8/menu.xml http://users.adelphia.net/~phann8/rc.xml07:58
dabaRwhich picture did I wanna use again?07:59
dabaRcan remember now.07:59
patrickjomg lol is there any way to generate it?07:59
dabaRComputer__Guru: thanks, that helped in the right direction.07:59
robotgeekhttp://denu.sf.net07:59
Computer__Guruanytime07:59
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parabolizerobotgeek patrickj, you might also want to see http://denu.sf.net a program to generate menu's for various window managers, if you do move around quite a bit :)07:59
patrickjor wait, anyway to get back the gnome-panel(top)08:00
Computer__Guruwhatd i say anyways?08:00
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vinboy_anyone got dual monitor working ?08:00
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Computer__Guruall your base are belong to us08:00
Grafitec yas  thnx alot 4 ya help08:00
parabolizepatrickj, right click bottom panel. add panel08:00
Computer__Guruyou have no chance to survive. make your time08:00
patrickjkk got it08:00
AfirFirst time user of GNU/Linux here and Ubuntu is the distro that appeals to me the most.  I have just done a fresh install on my test system and the only problem so far is configuring my internet.08:00
robotgeekAfir, welcome!08:01
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AfirThanks! I'm glad to be here.08:02
robotgeekAfir, so is it wireless or ethernet?08:02
Afirethernet LAN.  I think it is related to my router.08:02
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patrickjokay need help with:08:02
patrickjhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36811&highlight=eterm+desktop08:02
patrickjwhere would I add this:08:02
patrickjEterm  -x -0 --trans --scrollbar=off --buttonbar 0 --geometry 200x60+80+40 --font-fx none -f white?08:02
patrickjit says to add to startup programs08:03
robotgeekdoes eterm have a .xdefaults support?08:03
patrickjn/m but how do i get eterm running?08:03
Haroldrobotgeek, I see what's going on.  I can only access my iRiver when I'm in root.  Do you know this happens?08:03
robotgeekhmmm...08:04
Haroldrobotgeek, I've had that happen with the package dillo, too.08:04
parabolizepatrickj, add to gnome-session-properties, startup08:04
Haroldrobotgeek, I install everything as sudo, always.08:04
tritiumwhich iRiver product, Harold ?08:04
patrickji know08:04
Roninevolution is garbage08:04
robotgeekI just use Thunderbird08:04
Haroldtritium, The iRiver iFP-890.  Flash-based.08:04
patrickji think I will stick with using the gnome-panel lol08:04
BlazingSteakSaucd'oh sudo ubuntu does not see the rpms i got for it to install them08:04
tritiumHarold, I have the ifp-88008:05
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BlazingSteakSaucubuntu*08:05
robotgeekHarold, you can install only as root, i guess (if you apt-get stuff)08:05
patrickjwait, nah08:05
Haroldrobotgeek, Yes.08:05
antixwhat's a good program for listening to podcasts on ubuntu?08:05
robotgeekI am not sure why it asks yoou to be root,08:05
Haroldtritium, That's the 128MB iRiver, right?08:05
Computer__Gurui got a bang-up idea for a live-cd project08:05
rob^antix, I just use xmms08:05
robotgeekbeep media player?08:05
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OrbordeI'm trying to uninstall the Gaim 1.1.something that came with Ubuntu so I can install Gaim 1.4.0. However, when I ask Synaptic to remove Gaim, it also wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, which is supposedly somewhat important. Should I remove it anyways?08:06
Haroldrobotgeek, I can only install packages as root, right?08:06
robotgeekHarold, yup08:06
Computer__Guruan internet-cafe on a disc08:06
tritiumHarold, yes08:06
Ronincan't get rid of evolution without getting rid of gnome?08:06
Computer__Guruinsert disc, reboot box08:06
Haroldrobotgeek, Nice player, that iRiver, isn't it?  I use it to record podcasts.08:06
Computer__Gurustart turnin on nodes08:06
robotgeekHarold, you might want to chown your irver, if you mount it and stuff08:06
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robotgeekno money for funky gadgets!08:07
antixrob^, "play location"?08:07
Smeggyno, the food goes before the gadgets, surely!@08:07
Haroldrobotgeek, I don't have to mount it, but thanks.08:07
BlazingSteakSaucanyone got an idea how to install xfce on ubuntu?08:07
h08817how can i install ndiswrapper from a floppy?08:07
rob^anacron, podcasts are just regular audio files08:07
patrickjHow do I run eterm and the devilspie thing08:07
Haroldtritium, Do you manage your iRiver from Ubuntu?08:07
Linux_Galoreyeah Im thinking of getting a mp3 player for all these nice podcasts08:07
patrickjalso it says to make sure devilspie is running before eterm is08:07
rob^oops08:07
patrickjhow can I be sure of that?08:07
rob^antix, podcasts are just regular audio files08:08
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Haroldparabolize, I have the same one.08:08
robotgeekpatrickj, not really needed, it works just fine if you launch later...only problem is if the app name changes08:08
AfirSo I guess my question is how does one configure dhcp if autoconfig fails?  I tried restarting modem, followed by LAN, followed by ubuntu machine.  Still no internet though.08:08
Haroldparabolize, Do you manage your iRiver from Ubuntu?08:08
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patrickjwell ok but how Do i launch eterm right now?08:08
parabolizeHarold, yes08:08
antixrob^, so I download them first then?08:09
Linux_GaloreI like some of the media players that do video files.. wonder if any work with Linux08:09
tritiumHarold, is your user a member of the plugdev group?08:09
Haroldparabolize, Which package(s) do you use?08:09
h08817hey how do I install ndiswrapper?08:09
rob^antix, yes, that is one method08:09
Haroldtritium, I'm not certain.  How do I check?08:09
Linux_GalorePortable media player*08:09
h08817i downloaded the file on windows08:09
h08817can i install it from floppy disk?08:09
tritiumHarold, type "groups"08:09
parabolizeHarold, I updated to the 1.28 UMS firmware so I don't nedd any fancy packages08:09
h08817and if so what is the syntax08:09
OrbordeI'm trying to uninstall the Gaim 1.1.something that came with Ubuntu so I can install Gaim 1.4.0. However, when I ask Synaptic to remove Gaim, it also wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, which is supposedly somewhat important. Should I remove it anyways?08:09
tritiumparabolize, so it can't play .ogg files then?08:09
antixrob^, ok but I think I would want a subscription program. ipodder?08:10
Haroldtritium, Doesn't look like I'm in plugdev.08:10
parabolizetritium, yep08:10
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Linux_GaloreOrborde: nope08:10
tritiumHarold, you'll need to be in order to allow your user to use ifp-line, for example.08:10
Haroldparabolize, What's the advantage of using UMS?08:10
rob^antix, sure08:10
patrickjI need to run torsmo not through terminal, how would I go about this?08:10
Haroldtritium, Do you know how I go about adding myself to plugdev?08:10
Linux_GaloreOrborde: just update gaim.....you dont have to remove one to update to a new version08:10
tritiumHarold, read /usr/share/doc/ifp-line/README.Debian and /usr/share/doc/pmp-common/README.Debian08:10
parabolizetritium, wait I read your post wrong. I can play ogg files08:10
Haroldtritium, Thanks08:11
antixrob^, I don't know how to download the files from for example http://www.sr.se/Podradio/xml/p1_dokumentar.xml  :)08:11
OrbordeLinux_Galore: Okay, what do I do, then? Synaptic isn't finding any new Gaim versions. Should I simply run the Gaim makefile?08:11
tritiumHarold, adduser <username> <groupname>08:11
rob^antix, I dont use ipodder, so I dont know08:11
patrickj?08:11
BlazingSteakSaucanyone got an idea how to install xfce on ubuntu?08:11
Linux_GaloreOrborde: well I download the source file and compile it....you can also try download the red hat rpm and use alien to install it08:11
patrickjokay how can I run eterm?!08:12
deFryskOrborde, backports has a new gaim08:12
Linux_GaloreOrborde: if you look on www.google.com/linux   you can often track down people who have .deb  package version of gaim08:12
OrbordedeFrysk: Where? How?08:12
thespiritoftalI have installed some packages with synapyic packet manager...Where can i find them in my computer ?08:12
deFryskOrborde, ubuntuguide.org08:12
h08817hey can someone help me with ndiswrapper please?08:12
parabolizepatrickj, type eterm. :P08:13
Haroldtritium, That second document doesn't exist on my system.08:13
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patrickji did and it said program not found :(08:13
Haroldtritium, As far as I can tell, that is.08:13
tritiumHarold, you don't have pmp-common installed?  It's a dependency of ifp-line.08:13
parabolizepatrickj, sudo apt-get install eterm ?08:13
Haroldtritium, I guess not.08:13
patrickjI did08:14
tritiumHarold, ah, technically it's just Recommended.08:14
Madpilotanyone else here unable to log into the Ubuntu wiki? I've got a Launchpad account, can log into that fine, but still can't get into the U wiki...08:14
Haroldtritium, Are you using ifp-line with the ifplib?  I couldn't get ifplib installed.08:14
parabolizepatrickj, type locate eterm08:14
tritiumHarold, I just "sudo aptitude install ifp-line", and it also installed pmp-common.08:14
tritiumAre you not using the ubuntu package?08:14
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patrickj/etc/X11/Xsession.d/50xorg-common_determine-startup08:15
patrickj/usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-eterm.png08:15
patrickj/usr/share/terminfo/e/eterm08:15
patrickj/usr/share/terminfo/b/beterm08:15
patrickj/usr/share/vim/vim63/syntax/eterm.vim08:15
patrickj/usr/share/vim/vim63/indent/eterm.vim08:15
Haroldtritium, I don't recall.  Gotta go for a few minutes...08:15
parabolizeahh. don't paste08:15
tritiumpatrickj, please don't paste here08:15
Madpilotubotu tell patrickj about pastebin08:15
robotgeek!pastebin08:15
ubotusomebody said pastebin was at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood08:15
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patrickjsorry08:16
robotgeekcan someone help me with bmp, it says output is blocked at the end of the song and stops.08:16
patrickjneways is it even installed, according to those results?08:16
parabolizepatrickj, was that all it listed?08:16
robotgeekdoes that mean i have to get the multiple streams thing?08:16
patrickjyes08:16
AfirAnyone know where any detailed tutorials for configuring internet in Ubuntu are?08:16
robotgeekfor locate to work correctly, you need to sudo updatedb08:17
patrickjall that i types was sudo apt-get install eterm devilspie, like in instructions08:17
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parabolizepatrickj, something be wrong here08:17
robotgeekcause u just updated it now08:17
patrickjand it says I have the latest verision!08:17
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parabolizepatrickj, umm... ask robotgeek about that aterm.08:18
patrickjshould I use aterm instead of eterm?08:18
robotgeekpatrickj, join #ubuntu-aterm08:19
parabolizepatrickj, eterm look broaked.08:19
robotgeekparabolize, eterm doesn't launch for me, though i wanted to try it.08:19
patrickjwell it works now08:19
parabolizelol08:20
robotgeekoh well..08:20
patrickjbut i need devilspie to go on boot also I guess08:20
parabolizeyep08:20
robotgeekpatrickj, are u using gnome?08:20
robotgeekwith openbox?08:20
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patrickjactually, ill go to aterm08:20
parabolizerobotgeek, yes he is08:20
patrickjand yes i am08:20
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patrickjI might go to that panel I mentioned earlier :d08:21
HaroldSmeggy, You're on a Mac, I take it?08:21
robotgeekpatrickj, brb08:21
Smeggyi am indeed Harold08:21
tritiumHarold, are you not using the ifp-line ubuntu package?08:21
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Haroldtritium, I'm not sure.  Any way I can tell?  I forget how I installed it...08:22
Doonzhey guys is is possible to modify the size of the main partition?08:22
robotgeekybin: Blessing /dev/hda9 with Holy Penguin Pee... lol@08:22
Haroldtritium, By the way, I just installed pmp-common.08:23
tritiumHarold, "apt-cache policy ifp-line"08:23
parabolizeHarold, updating your firmware to UMS is easy if you got a windows box around...08:23
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tritiumdon't do that unless you want to lose .ogg capability08:23
Smeggyi am trying to get ubuntu working (again.. it worked before.. which is strange) on my powermac g5.. however after the install it reboots and it goes straight into the osx boot sequence.. no sign of yaboot.. any suggestions?08:23
Haroldparabolize, But why would I want to do that, pray tell?08:23
parabolizetritium, i can play ogg files08:24
tritiumparabolize, I asked you if you lost that capability, and you said yes.08:24
Haroldtritium, What info. am I looking for here?08:24
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parabolizeHarold, so you don't have to play with ifp-line08:24
tritiumAnd the readmes say that only manager mode can play .ogg, and not UMS08:24
Haroldtritium, Version table?08:24
nadjylaHello :)08:24
tritiumHarold, it'll tell you the installed version, if it is in fact installed08:24
Haroldparabolize, I see.  So it's easier, I take it?08:24
parabolizetritium, I corrected myself "parabolize tritium, wait I read your post wrong. I can play ogg files"08:25
tritiumHarold, or "dpkg -l | grep ifp"08:25
Haroldtritium, Yes, it's installed.  Version 0.2.4.5-108:25
tritiumparabolize, ah, okay.08:25
tritiumHarold, good08:25
parabolizeHarold, yep just plugin and open nautilus08:25
tritiumparabolize, sorry, I missed your 2nd message08:25
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tritiumparabolize, as far as I know, there is no UMS for ifp-880.  Is that your understanding too?08:27
parabolizetritium, looking08:27
tritiumthanks08:27
Haroldparabolize, Have you been able to play OGG files under UMS?08:28
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Madpilotg'night all.08:29
robotgeeknite08:29
tritiumsee you later Madpilot08:29
parabolizeHarold, yes though some of the ones I riped in kde's program didn't work. when I reriped with gnome's program they worked08:29
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Guest1978714can someone tell the the correct chmod level /etc should be?08:30
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Haroldtritium, I ran adduser <username> plugdev and it said the user was already a member of plugdev.  Yet when I tried running ifp-line from that user again, I received the error again.  The error, by the way: iRiver iFP device not found. Note: Please check USB connection.08:31
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fagrsorry i just forgot the command what is the command to mount iso image in fstab08:31
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parabolizetritium, yes it has a ums firmware http://www.iriver.com/html/support/download/sudw_view.asp?searchProductIdx=34&searchCategoryIdx=&searchString=&page=1&idx=656&tmpSearchProductIdx=&tmpSearchCategoryIdx=&tmpSearchString=08:32
tritiumHarold, that's odd08:32
Haroldtritium, Sure is.08:32
tritiumthanks, parabolize :)08:32
parabolizeyep08:32
Haroldtritium, I have an odd install of ifp-line.08:32
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tritiumHarold, how so?08:32
Haroldtritium, No, not really; I'm just saying that.08:33
Haroldtritium, Now that you've got ifp-line, you can install ifpgnome.  It's a pretty cool gui package.08:33
fagrseem i never get help in this room08:33
tritiumHarold, from source?08:33
Haroldtritium, Lemme remember...08:34
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HAMM3Rdoes anyone know the correct chmod level /etc/ should be?08:34
Haroldtritium: Here's info: http://ifp-gnome.sourceforge.net/08:35
tritiumHarold, did you plug the player in _after_ installing pmp-common?08:35
Haroldtritium, No, I didn't.  I'll try that.08:35
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ImsdleHey guys,  im trying to install tcl8.4-dev via apt-get install tcl8.4-dev but it didn't work08:36
Imsdleso i have downloaded it manually08:36
Imsdlewhere can i put the file?08:36
Imsdleso i can then run the apt-get again?08:36
tritiumImsdle, how did apt-get fail?08:37
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Haroldtritium, Radical.  It works!08:37
tritiumThanks for the link, Harold :)08:37
Imsdlecoudn't find headers08:37
Haroldtritium, You're welcome.  It's magic when it works this way, isn't it?08:37
tritium:)08:37
Haroldtritium, There's a .deb file for Ubuntu on that ifp-Gnome page.08:39
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tritiumi noticed...08:39
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tritiumHarold, so you're not going to upgrade your firmware to UMS?08:43
Haroldtritium, I don't see why I'd need to.08:44
Haroldtritium, You?08:44
tritiumnot sure yet08:45
Haroldtritium, Would it change the iRiver operating system?08:46
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tritiumHarold, it would change the firmware, yes.08:47
Haroldtritium, Not certain I would want that; I'd have to find out more about it.  I'm used to the way it currently operates, and have no real issues with it.08:48
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tritiumHarold, same here.08:49
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HaroldWell, I'm calling it a night.  Currently setting up ifp-gnome, and I'll probably test it once before hitting the hay.08:50
tritiumGood night.08:51
Haroldtritium, Night to you!08:51
robotgeekHarold, nite!08:53
pablo928What's happened to Firefox? I just entered and saw a notice at the top of the page.08:53
Haroldrobotgeek, Nite, robotgeek!08:53
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toddmcwhat is the ubuntu equivalent to chklist08:58
toddmc??08:58
robotgeektoddmc, what does chklist do?08:58
toddmcthe command to select what services start at boot08:58
Computer__Guruedit your sysv init system08:58
Computer__Guruinstall ksysv and use it08:59
robotgeekComputer__Guru, isn't /etc/init.d/services the debian way?08:59
Computer__Guruhrmm08:59
Computer__Guruis it?08:59
Imsdlewhat do you do when your trying to do an apt-get install but all you get is waiting for headers08:59
Computer__Gurui do it the hard way then08:59
Imsdlei have downlowased the file mannual.08:59
Imsdlecan anyone tell me where to put it08:59
robotgeekyou are a Computer__Guru08:59
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Computer__Gurui just do it the hard way :)09:00
Computer__GuruImsdle: dpkg -i name_of_file.deb09:00
Doonzhey guys i just reinstalled firefoc and now when i click on a link it doesnt do anything these links are downloads is there a etting i should look for???09:00
toddmcsorry its chkcfg09:00
toddmcchkconfig09:00
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Imsdleyou guys rock09:03
Imsdlethank you09:03
toddmcfyi - its update-rc.d09:04
toddmcis the equivalent to chkconfig (redhat/suse/etc09:04
Imsdlesudo /opt/quasar/bin/quasar_setup09:04
Imsdle/opt/quasar/bin/quasar_setup: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory09:04
Imsdleim stuck09:04
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Computer__Gurutry: apt-get -f install09:05
Doonzhey guys is is possible to modify the size of the main partition?09:05
toddmctried partiion magic?09:05
toddmcalso looking to install the kernel sources... ive got the kernel headers but the kernel sources in the package manager are the wrong version09:06
toddmcany ides/09:06
toddmcideas?09:06
Doonztried gparted cant do it09:06
toddmcdoonz - partition magic baby09:06
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bob2Doonz: "reinstalled"? why?09:07
toddmcits windows based... but it non destructive partitioning09:07
bob2toddmc: why do you want the kernel source?09:07
toddmcyou aing gonna find that in linux09:07
cyphasewhooooooooooooooooa09:07
toddmcbob2: yeah09:07
cyphasehuge net-split..09:07
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bob2er, there's a few linux tools which can resize existing partitions09:07
pablo928sudo apt-get install partition magic09:07
Yoda_Sabreanyone got an idea how to install xfce on ubuntu?09:08
toddmcbob2: what are the kernel sources labeled as?09:08
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bob2toddmc: why do you want them?09:08
Doonzbob cause i tried the 64bit version, and too much was missing anyhow. when i installed it so i got what ever version of firefox is here but when i click on a download link it doesnt do anything09:08
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parabolizeYoda_Sabre, apt-get install xfce ?09:08
Doonzalso bob what program will allow me do resize my main partition?09:08
toddmcgotta vpn client i need to compile that requires them09:08
Yoda_Sabrei got the rpm but ubuntu fails to see it09:08
bob2toddmc: it's highly unlikely you need the source for that09:09
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bob2why do you think the headers aren't enough?09:09
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bob2Doonz: what filesystem is it?09:09
patrickjello all again...09:09
Doonzext309:09
yahalomanyone here use dillo?09:09
bob2Doonz: 64-bit version of what?09:09
Doonzbut its /09:09
Doonz64bit of ubuntu09:09
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parabolizeYoda_Sabre, rpm evil. deb good. use apt-get or aptitude.09:09
bob2Doonz: parted can do that, but you'll need to boot a live cd09:09
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robotgeek_what the hell just happened?09:09
snickkersheyas. If I have more than soundcard installed in my box, how can I set which card generally gets sound played out of it?09:09
toddmcbob2: its stated sources.... but ill give it  a try real fast right now.... brb09:09
Doonzok09:09
bob2Doonz: so you reinstalled your whole system with the i386 version of ubuntu?09:09
patrickjI ono09:09
patrickjrejoin the aterm though09:09
patrickjlol09:09
Doonzyeah cause nothing would work09:09
bob2snickkers: best to just disable the one you don't want09:10
Doonzi had a few things working09:10
bob2"nothing"?09:10
Doonzwell09:10
snickkersbob2: how?09:10
Doonza few things were09:10
bob2do you just mean "binary only stuff"?09:10
Yoda_Sabrewell i got a few rpm files thats the only format i can get em in09:10
Doonzbut the rest wouldnt09:10
bob2Yoda_Sabre: you don't use rpms on ubuntu, generally09:10
ImsdleThe following packages have unmet dependencies:09:10
Imsdle  tcl8.4-dev: Depends: tcl8.4 (= 8.4.7-1ubuntu1) but 8.4.9-1 is to be installed09:10
ImsdleE: Broken packages09:10
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bob2Imsdle: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood09:10
Imsdleok09:10
bob2snickkers: is one on-board?09:10
Computer__Guruwhat are some user managers besides kuser? cause kuser just crashes and crashes for no reason09:10
parabolizeYoda_Sabre, xfce is in ubuntu repos09:11
bob2people tend to just use adduer and deluser09:11
Doonzbob is gparted on the live cd?09:11
Yoda_Sabreit makes i difficult if the program has only rpm available now doesn't it09:11
Imsdlenow what?09:11
Computer__Gurunah i like managers better09:11
Yoda_Sabrethe repso k09:11
snickkersbob2: yeah. I want my on-board one to be the one sound comes out of. I also have a tuner card, which has an in-built sound card, which KDE is trying to use to play sound09:11
bob2Doonz: probably09:11
z|banditoyou can use alien to convert the rpm package to a .deb09:11
bob2Yoda_Sabre: and which program is that?09:11
Yoda_Sabrebut how do i get rpms to be seen i will need that for some other things09:11
z|banditothat's a requirement of installing bittorrent from source, for example (afaik)09:11
bob2snickkers: which driver does it use?09:12
Yoda_Sabrepeng09:12
Doonzwell lets see09:12
parabolizeYoda_Sabre open a term and type sudo apt-get install xfce409:12
Doonzbrb09:12
bob2Yoda_Sabre: what on earth is peng?09:12
snickkersbob2: as in ALSA?09:12
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Yoda_Sabrefor the only isp i got at the momnet09:12
z|banditoif you locate the .deb file after it's converted with alien then iirc you use dpkg to install it09:12
bob2Yoda_Sabre: in general, you try very hard to not use them.  try to find a tarball, for instance.  if there's no other option, you can use alien to convert it to a rpm.09:12
bob2er, to a .deb09:12
Yoda_Sabreno possiblity to change either09:12
bob2snickkers: yes09:12
bob2the only isp in your entire town requires some random binary software?09:12
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z|banditoheh09:13
jet2k5_heh09:13
bob2Imsdle: no, that's not what I asked for09:13
z|banditothere's nothing wrong with knowing how to convert packages.. ;)09:13
bob2Imsdle: please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood09:13
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Yoda_Sabreits not the only one around here but im stuck with it or no internet09:13
toddmcbob2: i guess all i needed was the headers... you were right09:13
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bob2if it's not the only one, how are you stuck with that or nothing?09:14
snickkersbob2: in the volume mixer program, it says: Realtek ALC655 rev 0 (OSS mixer), and SiS SI7012 (ALSA mixer)09:14
Yoda_Sabreno csh for a decent one09:14
z|banditoif you download the bittorrent source there are instructions on building the rpm and cconverting it with alien to deb and installing.. there are probably other how-to faqs on the web09:14
bob2snickkers: ok09:14
Yoda_Sabrecash*09:14
snickkersI only install ubuntu (hoary) yesterday, so everythibng is still as defaults09:14
bob2snickkers: you need to find out which one your tv tuner is using09:14
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snickkersbob2: I believe the SiS is the tuner card09:14
bob2snickkers: what does "lsmod | grep sis" print then?09:15
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Imsdledone bob209:15
bob2Imsdle: get rid of the backports lines09:15
Imsdlenaa that didn't work09:17
vinboy_why i am unable to go to firefox's extensions website?09:17
vinboy_it says my firefox has a bug09:17
bob2Imsdle: get rid of them and run 'sudo apt-get update'09:17
bob2vinboy_: is that really word for word what it says?09:17
Imsdleok09:17
vinboy_no09:17
vinboy_hang on09:17
vinboy_i paste it09:17
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patrickjello09:18
snickkersbob2: pasted privately that lsmod output09:18
bob2vinboy_: in #flood, not here09:18
vinboy_ok09:18
vinboy_did u see it09:18
bob2so, it didn't say that your firefox had a bug at all09:18
patrickjhow do I uninstall packages?09:19
vinboy_oh09:19
vinboy_yea09:19
bob2go to about:config in firefox and change app.version to 1.0.6, I guess09:19
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vinboy_ok09:20
vinboy_thanks09:20
Imsdlenaa not working09:20
bob2patrickj: select them in synaptic and choose "remove"09:20
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parabolizepatrickj, sudo apt-get remove 'whatever'09:21
bob2Imsdle: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list again09:21
parabolizesynaptic works to09:21
raven3x7hi09:21
patrickjis there any desktop clock programs?09:21
patrickjn/m09:21
toddmcbob2: but anyway... where do you install the kernel sources from?09:21
mebaran151patrickj, should be there automatically09:21
bob2toddmc: you don't, generally09:22
mebaran151toddmc, you have a pkg09:22
bob2toddmc: it's in the linux-source-* packages, tho09:22
mebaran151if you want to compile your own09:22
mebaran151the default one is pretty decent09:22
toddmcbob2: its the wrong version listed... its a 2.4 kernel09:22
patrickji know but I mean like a text based calender09:22
mebaran151bob2, where are the restricted modules going to be compiled for Breezy09:22
patrickjit dont matter neways :d09:22
patrickjI just need to generate me those menus :d09:22
bob2toddmc: I don't know what you're talking about, ubuntu certainly has the linux-source-2.6 packages09:22
mebaran151patrickj, uh evolution?09:22
toddmcpatrickj: click on the clock in the upper right corner itll show you09:22
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toddmcthe calender09:23
bob2mebaran151: when breezy is even vaguely ready for user testing09:23
bob2give them another couple of weeks09:23
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mebaran151ah ok, I wanted to help fix bugs09:23
mebaran151but my card makes everything look absolutely rancid under VESA09:24
raven3x7are there any readers for pdb books for linux?09:24
bob2Imsdle: sudo aptitude install tcl8.4=8.4.7-1ubuntu109:24
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bob2Imsdle: and don't use debian .debs in future09:24
patrickjis coloured fonts in eterm memory intensive?09:24
bob2no09:25
bob2just hard to read and annoying09:25
mebaran151bob2, just off hand, do you know if compiling a custom kernel module for the Ubuntu is too hard?09:25
Imsdlebob2.. you rock.. thank you09:25
robotgeek_what's the screen capture command?09:25
bob2mebaran151: same as on any other OS09:25
bob2robotgeek_: import -root screenshot.png09:25
patrickjso standard white is recommended?09:25
robotgeek_thanks09:25
mebaran151bob2, ok so no big deal09:26
skyhawkerhi, I'm having a lot of trouble finding/installing wine, can someone walk me through it?09:26
parabolizerobotgeek_, print key works...09:26
bob2mebaran151: some modules are simple because they're packaged for ubuntu09:26
mebaran151yeah09:26
robotgeek_i dont have one!09:26
mebaran151exactly09:26
toddmchrmm... when i do a search for kernel-source-2.6.10 in synaptic it doesnt appear09:26
mebaran151as long as I am compiling my own modules I am going to compile a custom kernel09:26
bob2robotgeek_: you'll need imagemagick installed for that command to work09:26
toddmcbut when i do a apt-cache search kenel source it shows the 2.6.10 package09:26
toddmcweird09:26
bob2toddmc: yes, it's linux-source, not kernel-source09:26
robotgeek_bob2, i do have that09:27
patrickjwhere are the cofiguration files for torsmo?09:28
patrickjn/m09:28
parabolizerobotgeek_, gnome-screenshot will also work09:28
toddmcdamn bob2 you are on cue - how do you do it....09:28
robotgeek_yeah..i saw that09:28
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robotgeek_thanks09:29
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Razor-XI unplugged it without unmounting... now it won't remount09:30
toddmcreboot baby09:30
Razor-Xtoddmc: that's _last_ resort09:30
toddmcor choose a new mount point09:30
Razor-Xhow many people reboot Linux boxes?09:30
Razor-Xtoddmc: mount point exists buddy ;)09:30
Razor-Xthe device doesen't09:30
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toddmcyou could try to force the unmount09:30
robotgeek_#ubuntu :Cannot join channel (throttled), when i try to change my nick to my old one?09:30
Razor-Xtoddmc: I did09:30
toddmcbut ive never had that work with the ipod09:30
toddmcit always required a reboot09:31
mebaran151Razor-X, eh, you have to make udev play nice09:31
mebaran151and I dont think it will09:31
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coobrao/09:31
robotgeek_i try not to reboot, but do when my laptop hangs on wake!09:31
Razor-Xnot only that09:31
Razor-Xbut, I'm not understanding09:31
Razor-Xthe iRock is supposed to be nice, and Linux friendly09:31
bob2that's not a udev problem09:31
mebaran151oh09:31
mebaran151wait09:31
mebaran151it didnt unmount09:31
Razor-Xyet, it didn't work -- till I recently gave this thing a firmware polish and a reformat09:31
bob2hard unmounting things is not a good idea09:32
mebaran151could you try deleting it from the mtab?09:32
mebaran151might just trick it .....09:32
Razor-Xit default formats to fat... not quite sure just how long filenames worked before09:32
bob2I'm pretty sure tat won't wor09:32
Razor-Xmebaran151: don't think it's in mtab09:32
bob2fat does long filenames09:32
Razor-Xbob2: err, not fat09:32
Razor-Xmsdos09:32
mebaran151yeah, fat does, because Win95 had long file names09:32
bob2msdos = fat = long filenames09:33
Razor-Xbob2: then why are the filenames getting truncated?09:33
La_PaRCabob2, actually, long filenames is fat3209:33
La_PaRCabob2, fat 16, as in dos. does not support long file names09:33
bob2I'm pretty damn sure windows 95 had long filenames09:33
mebaran151Razor-X, reformat the player with FAT3209:33
mebaran151wroth a shot09:33
bob2Razor-X: I don't know09:33
Razor-Xmebaran151: was thinking of that09:33
mebaran151yeah bob2 they introduced FAT32 with Win9509:33
Razor-Xbut, i'm not sure if that'll work09:33
mebaran151worth a shot09:33
Razor-Xbecause of the firmware, and other crap09:33
bob2I'm pretty sure that's not the case09:33
bob2I could be wrong09:33
Razor-Xshould I straightaway mkfs.vfat, or should I dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda1 ?09:34
mebaran151bob2,  just looked it up09:34
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mebaran151yep09:34
mebaran151it was introduced with Win95 OSR209:34
Razor-Xmebaran151: exactly09:34
Razor-XI remember not having long filenames09:34
bob2except that windows 95 itself had long filenames09:34
Razor-Xso, should I write the fs straightaway, or null it first?09:35
Razor-Xi'm just wondering if this'll overwrite the firmware 'r not09:35
Razor-Xand it's a mystery why the filenames are being truncated09:35
mebaran151Razor-X, I bet firmware is kept somewhere else09:35
Razor-Xif this continues, i'll just set up a VLC session on the laptop there, and copy files that way09:35
bob2wikipedia seems to agree with me09:35
Razor-Xmebaran151: hoping so09:35
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mebaran151fat32 its the only one using 4 bytes per filename09:35
Razor-Xshould I null it?09:35
Razor-Xor should I mkfs first?09:35
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bob2er, running mkfs on an mp3 player is not to be done lightly09:36
toddmcbob2: thanks... g'night09:36
antixhave some trouble installing iPodder.  "ImportError: No module named players"09:36
bob2you're sure the system needs nothing on there?09:36
mebaran151I wouldnt know09:36
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Razor-Xbob2: will it physically do anything bad?09:36
bob2my iaudio stores it's firmware there09:36
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Razor-Xbob2: I backed up everything else09:36
bob2Razor-X: it could turn it into a paperweight09:36
patrickjhey I was wondering where the Torsmo config files were, because I would like to configure it09:36
bob2it seems extremely unlikley that reformating it would help09:36
Razor-Xbob2: I could put the firmware on again09:36
patrickjCustomize it09:36
Razor-Xantix: I had that problem meself09:36
mebaran151Razor-X, yeah so nohting too bad would happen09:36
Razor-Xit's some python package, I just gave up on iPodder09:36
patrickj?09:37
bob2Razor-X: why do you think reformatting it will help anything at all?09:37
antixRazor-X, ok did you find something else?09:37
bob2do you have evidence that the filesystem is physically damaged?09:37
Razor-XI use a custom bashpodder script written by some guy09:37
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mebaran151bob2, according to MS, fat uses only 8.3 file names09:37
parabolizepatrickj, home folder. should be called .torsmorc09:37
bob2http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Filesystems-HOWTO-3.html seems to imply that long filename support is orthogonal to fat3209:37
Razor-Xgo to bashpodder09:37
patrickjokay09:37
patrickjand I CD into it?09:37
Razor-Xand then, get Brian Hefferan's09:38
Razor-Xthat's the one I prefer09:38
antixRazor-X, thanks09:38
parabolizepatrickj, gedit ~/.torsmorc09:38
Razor-Xbob2: I gave a format just earlier09:38
Razor-Xonly it was in Windows and through a nice little utility09:38
bob2Razor-X: why would that help?09:38
Computer__Guruwho's on videotron.ca here?09:38
Razor-Xwell, iRock is supposed to be real Linux friendly, but when I read it in09:38
patrickjkk thanks :d09:38
Razor-Xi'ld see whacky file duplicates09:38
Razor-Xand Linux would eventually hang with the drive09:39
bob2mebaran151: http://tinyurl.com/2ozuo seems to state clearly that fat16 does long filenames09:39
Razor-XI mean, it is a UMS drive, after all09:39
bob2"UMS"?09:39
Razor-XUSB Mass Storage09:39
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mebaran151bob2, just reading the MS knolwedge base article09:39
parabolizepatrickj, If there isn't one there here is a example: /usr/share/doc/torsmo/examples/torsmorc.sample.gz09:39
mebaran151http://support.microsoft.com/kb/100108/EN-US/09:39
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regeya_gah.  I could swear that Scribus used to be listed under "Office"09:40
parabolizegot to open the gz though09:40
regeya_NO LONGER09:40
Razor-Xso.... format or not to format09:40
Razor-Xthat is the question09:40
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bob2mebaran151: that doesn't seem to mention either way.  the link I pasted say it does.09:40
Razor-Xor, should I just give up using a supremely Linux friendly player in Linux.... :(09:40
Imsdle sudo /opt/quasar/bin/quasar_setup09:40
Imsdle/opt/quasar/bin/quasar_setup: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory09:40
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bob2Razor-X: it doesn't sound that friendly09:41
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Imsdleoops.. i suppose i should have asked a question first..09:41
bob2iaudio and iriver's don't need any special tools at all09:41
bob2Imsdle: install libtcl8.4-dev09:41
Razor-Xbob2: you're both wrong ;)09:41
bob2Razor-X: how?09:42
Razor-Xvfat is the one with long filenames09:42
Razor-Xit's a rendition to FAT1609:42
Razor-Xbut, not FAT16 itself09:42
parabolizebob2, only true if it has a UMS firmware on it09:42
bob2so the fat16 on0disk format does long filenames09:42
ImsdleE: Couldn't find package libtcl8.4-de09:42
patrickjis the config only one file?09:42
mebaran151bob2, ah it is hack09:42
ImsdleE: Couldn't find package libtcl8.4-dev09:42
mebaran151they store the long file name in a secret place09:42
Razor-Xbob2: no, it's not vfat, it's msdos09:42
La_PaRCaRazor-X, Im having the exact same trouble with my psp09:42
bob2Imsdle: tcl8.4-dev then09:42
Razor-Xand, IIRC, msdos is FAT1609:42
La_PaRCaRazor-X, if you fix it, let me know09:42
parabolizepatrickj, yep a simple text file09:42
mebaran151yes but FAT16 is not vfat09:42
bob2Razor-X: "msdos" is the name of a linux module, not a filesystem09:42
Razor-XLa_PaRCa: but, see, google says iRock is so nice and happy09:42
mebaran151vfat adds a hack to allow long file names09:43
La_PaRCaRazor-X, what does google know?09:43
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bob2anyway, my point was the disk format is the same09:43
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Razor-XLa_PaRCa: i've googled ``Linux iRock''09:43
parabolizepatrickj, want mine so you don't have to mess with it?09:43
mebaran151Razor-X, the long filenames are stored in special directory entries09:43
mattyJi have beagle installed and working, how could i get it so it starts up by default?09:43
mebaran151so MSDOS doesnt get too worried09:43
Razor-Xbob2: well, from an article on RedHat, it says that msdos == fat1509:43
Razor-Xs/15/16/09:44
bob2yes09:44
mebaran151mattyJ, you could just save your session when you logout09:44
bob2vfat presumably is the new driver that knows how to read long filenames from a fat16 filesystem09:44
Razor-Xbut fat16 != vfat09:44
mebaran151whenever you log back in you will have the same apps running09:44
Razor-Xexactly09:44
Razor-Xbut, this thing is being read as msdos09:44
Razor-Xhmmm, maybe i'll change that bit....09:44
mebaran151yeah, vfat is a hack msdos09:44
bob2so mount it as vfat then09:44
mebaran151yeah09:44
mebaran151try mounting as vfat09:44
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Imsdlebob2: i think i need to uninstall the tcl8.4_8.4.9-1_i386.deb i installed before09:45
bob2Imsdle: no09:45
bob2Imsdle: please stop installing random non-ubuntu .debs09:45
Razor-Xthen lemme restart and see my luck09:45
bob2unless you intend to fix it yourself instead of bothering other people09:45
Imsdlei hanv't installed anymore09:45
Imsdleonly isntalled the one09:45
Imsdlebefore.....09:45
bob2yes, which was silly, don't do it again09:45
Imsdlei won't .. im sorry :|09:46
bob2it's absolutely in the tcl8.4-dev package09:46
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bob2tho no binary should be using .so's directly09:46
Imsdlei can't seam to download it... it just sits waiting for headers09:46
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sophtpawabracadabra09:47
Imsdlethats why i downloaded the other one thinking it would fix it...  silly me09:47
sophtpawhocus pocus09:47
Computer__Gurubob2: i just added a sandisk compactflash reader, and linux found it. now, i inserted the cf card, where do i go to get to it? how do i mount it? what device is it?09:47
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bob2please just ask the channel09:48
sophtpawis this the right place to ask about how to install a package?09:48
bob2but run 'tail -f /var/log/messages' and unplug and replug it09:48
bob2sophtpaw: yes...09:48
La_PaRCasophtpaw, it is, it is09:48
Computer__Guruanybody: i just added a sandisk compactflash reader, and linux found it. now, i inserted the cf card, where do i go to get to it? how do i mount it? what device is it?09:48
sophtpawi want to install freemind, but i don't know how to09:48
Computer__Guruheh ok09:48
DaeDaluzthe comment in the topic about firefox is about the fact that firefox totally shutsdown when I close a tab? :x09:49
sophtpawoh, good, thx09:49
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La_PaRCaDaeDaluz, no, not really09:49
bob2DaeDaluz: no, it's related to odd segfaults when using lots of extensions09:49
DaeDaluzhm09:49
Computer__Guruheh, /dev/sda09:49
DaeDaluzany idea why my firefox totally shutsdown then when I close a tab? :p09:49
Razor-Xmy device still isn't being detected!09:50
Razor-Xoh wait...09:50
bob2presuambly you're triggering that bug09:50
Razor-Xhah, I haven't connected it yet!09:50
HuntzWell Dae i had that experince in a screwed up install of firefox09:50
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Huntzever thought of removing it and installing it again?09:50
bob2that won't help09:50
DaeDaluzIt came along with the update09:50
bob2if you're using hoary, it's almost certainly casued by the above bug09:50
Huntzso I install mine seprately09:51
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Huntzwhat verison ya have Dae?09:51
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sophtpawi have a package called Freemind_0.7.1-6_all.deb but do not want to use kpackage to install09:51
DaeDaluz1.0.209:51
bob2that's unlikely to work on ubuntu09:51
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HuntzBob209:51
bob2also, it probably doesn't have a capital F09:51
HuntzIm running ubuntu09:51
Huntzand i have 1.0.609:51
sophtpawfreemind?09:52
Huntzso dont tell me that09:52
Huntzlol09:52
bob2Huntz: that's great09:52
bob2Huntz: 1.0.2 is what is in hoary09:52
Huntzlol09:52
sophtpawno it doesn't have capital f09:52
mattyJanyone know any good free games for linux, besides frozen bubble09:52
bob2and has the extension bug caused by upstream09:52
sophtpawbut should run on ubuntu nonetheless09:52
bob2sophtpaw: so, 'sudo dpkg -i freemind_blah.deb'09:52
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bob2well, "should" is a little strong, it may work09:52
Shorty`anyone know of any issues with the *new* ia32 utils ?09:52
DaeDaluzbob2 for the firefox bug ill just wait for an update? or is there anything I can do myself? :)09:52
Shorty`ia32-libs sorry09:52
sophtpawthx bob will try09:53
bob2DaeDaluz: you just have to wait09:53
DaeDaluzoke :)09:53
bob2it should have bee nfixed by now09:53
DaeDaluzAnd I wanted to activate some exstensions for php yesterday, but I realised I dont have the config file, so I cant configure it with the extension enable :x09:54
HuntzDae just download the installer point it to the default installation path of firefox it will detect a previous installation say yes to clearing it and it will install its self mind you do this in root and you will be fine.09:54
bob2please don't install from a tarball over /usr09:54
bob2that's just silly09:54
HuntzI said installer, im not going to push tars on him09:54
HuntzInstaller <-- bob not tar09:54
bob2same thing09:54
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Huntznot really firefox has a graphical install display09:55
sophtpawbob? dpkg: error processing freemind_0.7.1-6_all.deb (--install):09:55
sophtpaw cannot access archive: No such file or directory09:55
sophtpawErrors were encountered while processing:09:55
sophtpaw freemind_0.7.1-6_all.deb09:55
bob2in the sense they both overwrite the ubuntu package09:55
bob2sophtpaw: you gave it the wrong filename09:55
Huntzum no it asks for permission to remove preivous content09:55
bob2sophtpaw: perhaps you're not in the directory you downloaded to09:55
raven3x7i asked a question about readers and/or converters for pdb books but my connection droped so i dunno if anyone answered09:55
sophtpawhmm, i don't know, i downloaded it is all09:55
bob2Huntz: ... and if you say yes, it overwrite the package09:55
bob2if you want to install from outside ubuntu, to do /usr/local/firefox or whatever09:56
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bob2sophtpaw: well, only you know what directory you put it in09:56
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sophtpawwill it definitely even be in a directory?09:57
sophtpawright now its sitting on my desktop09:57
bob2then you need to cd to ~/Desktop first09:57
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Razor-Xhmmmm09:58
Razor-Xthis time, it all works09:58
Razor-Xonly... if I try and remount it... the device does not exist09:58
raven3x7does anyone know any readers and/or converters for pdb books?09:58
Razor-Xorrr..., nevermind09:58
pablo928I need  Libmp3lame.so to export mp3files from Audacity.  When I do a file search I'm told it's in /usr/lib, but in which folder? Does anyone know?09:59
bob2raven3x7: apt-cache search pdb09:59
DaeDaluzHow come archive manager always extracts in the dir I selected instead of the dir im in, for instance if im in /home/ and I have selected daedaluz/ it extracts in daedaluz/ instead of /home/09:59
DaeDaluz;o09:59
bob2raven3x7: txt2pdbdoc looks interesting09:59
bob2pablo928: it's not in ubuntu09:59
bob2pablo928: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats09:59
v1ru5i cannot get GRUB installed from the Ubuntu install. (re-installed/tried about 8 times now, kinda pissed) Everything else works out just fine but not it. IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE WAY (like putting it to a floppy [how?] ) OF GETTING GRUB TO WORK??09:59
bob2mabe it's in multiverse now10:00
bob2v1ru5: please don't take your frustration out on strangers you're asking for help from10:00
v1ru5sorry for the caps :/10:00
bob2v1ru5: I'd assume your cd is busted until you check and show otherwise10:00
v1ru5but seriously, i'm on a dead end10:00
sturmflutHi, does anybody know something about the status of the sata_promise kernel module? Ubuntu kernel 2.6.10-5 contains a version of it that is able to detect and use the PATA Port of the Promise TX2/TX2 S-ATA controller, while Ubuntu kernel 2.6.11-1, vanilla 2.6.11.x and 2.6.12.x all contain a version without the PATA support10:00
sturmflutI need support for the PATA port of this controller otherwise I can't use one of my hard disks10:01
v1ru5bob2: umm. ok. Is GRUB Legacy same as GRUB?10:01
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bob2v1ru5: I've never heard of "grub legacy"10:01
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HuntzA bob10:01
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Huntzlook at this http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/4569/screenshot0iv.png10:01
Huntzsure sounds like its overriding contents now doesnt it?10:02
bob2what?10:02
raven3x7bob2 thanks10:02
Huntzlook at the screenshot10:02
bob2yes, I did10:02
bob2you were advocating saying "yes" to the that question10:02
Huntzthat is what i was prompting him for it will purge the directory before installzation10:02
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bob2yes, indeed10:02
v1ru5bob2: well it's on GNU org's pages. They only list GRUB Legacy and GRUB2. and the legacy is only available as a test download.. Where to get GRUB the regular version? (i mean, you probably know how to build a boot floppy with it)10:02
Huntzno i was saying it would allow a option to purge the directory and not overwrite the content10:03
bob2v1ru5: grub is grub legacy10:03
DaeDaluzAnyone got any experience with the G++ compiler? :>10:03
bob2Huntz: and? you're still replacing the ubuntu package with the tarball10:03
bob2DaeDaluz: best to just ask your question10:03
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bob2or installer or wwhatever10:03
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DaeDaluzIt says #include <iostream.h> is old and I should use #include <iostream> without .h, but it doesnt recongnize #include <iostream>10:04
Huntzthe installer is tared up yes but its not using tar and make to create the firefox appication10:04
bob2yes, indeed10:04
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bob2my point is that you're overwriting the data dpkg put there10:04
bob2which is bad10:04
bob2DaeDaluz: so, paste your code and the full error to #flood10:05
HuntzYou should have specfied that10:05
Huntzlol10:05
sophtpawbob? it would appear that i've downlaoded freemind to /usr/lib/mime/debian-view10:05
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TheVoxbob2: you actually can't overwrite the dpgk'ed firefox with the one from the installer...the one from the installer spits everything out in a single dir10:05
HuntzI have upgrading from previous verisons of ubuntu and customed it as ussual and it hasnt affected my system's upgrade capacity though10:05
bob2sophtpaw: that's pretty unlikely10:05
bob2TheVox: hm, ok10:05
sophtpawreally? from the freemind sourceforge page10:06
bob2sophtpaw: unless you're running firefox as root, which would be silly10:06
sophtpawthat is what it says it downloads to10:06
bob2sophtpaw: anyway, if you  can see it on the desktop, it's in ~/Desktop10:06
Huntzlol who runs firefox in root lol10:06
TheVoxbob2: nevertheless, I still recommend spitting it out to a dir in your own home and not somewhere system-wide unless you are on a computer that actually gets used by multiple users.10:06
ghetekhow do i give a uid=1000 user called "administrator" access to a folder called "/var/www" in the console?10:06
bob2ghetek: sudo chown administrator /var/www/10:06
sophtpawso? cd ~/Desktop?10:07
bob2sophtpaw: yes10:07
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HuntzThough what id like to know is what is with the Ubuntu foundation extactly?10:07
glickdamn, firefox goes down more than a two dollar crack whore10:07
Huntzrofl10:07
TheVoxHuntz: I've seen people run X as root10:07
glickwhats wit that10:07
bob2Huntz: it's going to found some ubuntu development over the next few years10:07
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bob2glick: please read the code of conduct10:07
sophtpawbob: and now sudo dpkg -i freemind blah.deb ?10:08
bob2and there's a known segfaulty bug in firefoxz at the moment which will be fixed soon10:08
bob2sophtpaw: if it's in that directory, yes10:08
sophtpawwhat is the command to check what is in that dir?10:08
TheVoxls10:08
bob2DaeDaluz: whatever book you're learning C++ from is really old10:08
DaeDaluzyeah :(10:08
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raven3x7glick u have the gpl flish lib installed?10:09
bob2DaeDaluz: make the line after #include be "using namespace std;"10:09
parabolizesophtpaw, ls10:09
bob2no quotes10:09
sophtpawthx parabolo10:09
robotgeekanyone to help with sound skipping in bmp?10:09
glickraven3x7, i think so10:10
DaeDaluzthanks it works bob2 :)10:10
robotgeekalso, beep just stopped with a nice error message. though i dunno howto fix it!10:10
robotgeek!wiki10:10
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raven3x7glick it is very unstable. i had the same problem and installing the none-free one solved the problem. if you have multiverse you should be able to apt get it10:11
bob2then perhaps you should paste the error to #flood se everyone can see it10:11
robotgeekbob2, me?10:11
sophtpawconfused! : after ls freemind does appear to be there10:11
sophtpawconrad@x1-6-00-0b-6a-16-78-f0conrad:~/Desktop$ ls10:12
sophtpawfreemind_0-1.7.1-6_all.deb  freemind_0.7.1-6_all.deb10:12
bob2robotgeek: yes10:12
glickraven3x7, is it easy to uninstall?10:12
bob2sophtpaw: yes, it is there10:12
sophtpawyet, when i command to install:10:12
sophtpawconrad@x1-6-00-0b-6a-16-78-f0conrad:~/Desktop$ sudo dpkg -i freemind_0.1.7.1-6_all.deb10:12
sophtpawPassword:10:12
sophtpawdpkg: error processing freemind_0.1.7.1-6_all.deb (--install):10:12
sophtpaw cannot access archive: No such file or directory10:12
sophtpawErrors were encountered while processing:10:12
sophtpaw freemind_0.1.7.1-6_all.deb10:12
ghetekI did the chown -R administrator /var/www and now "administrator" gets permission denied on ftp10:12
robotgeekdone, pasted in #flood10:12
sophtpawit says that there is no such file or dir?!10:13
bob2ghetek: "on ftp"?10:13
bob2sophtpaw: what does "ls -ld  freemind_0.1.7.1-6_all.deb" print?10:13
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v1ru5how can i make a boot disk that loads up grub?10:13
bob2robotgeek: best to tell it to use esd10:13
ghetekbob2: yeah i need that user to get in via ftp10:13
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Loixhi all10:13
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robotgeekokay...does anyone have the link at hand on the howto?10:14
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parabolizeLoix, hello10:14
bob2ghetek:  you know ftp is highly insecure, right?10:14
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bob2robotgeek: as the output plugin...10:14
ghetekbob2: yeah but i need this thing to work with dreamweaver10:14
Loixparabolize, hi10:14
raven3x7glick search for flash in synaptic. you will see a few entries. remove libflash0 and install flashplugin-nonfree. then apply changes10:14
noski./list10:14
robotgeekbob2, i the howto on multiple streams or smthing :)10:14
robotgeekthanks10:14
sophtpawbob: printed the whole thing -10:15
sophtpawconrad@x1-6-00-0b-6a-16-78-f0conrad:~/Desktop$ ls -ld freemind_0.1.7.1-6_all.debls: freemind_0.1.7.1-6_all.deb: No such file or directory10:15
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vinboyhi10:15
vinboyi installed realplayer1010:15
Huntzhey10:15
Loixi have  Q's10:15
vinboybut when I run it, nothing happen10:15
parabolizeLoix, ask10:15
robotgeekbob2, skips a lot, what to do :-?10:16
bob2robotgeek: increase the buffer size10:16
bob2I can't guess what the problem is based on the little information you gave10:16
raven3x7vinboy try calling it from the terminal to see it  it reports any errors10:16
bob2sophtpaw: then you got the filename wrong10:16
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TheVoxhttp://www.ee.ryerson.ca:8080/~elf/hack/recovery.html <---- that's the sysadmin's story of the century10:16
bob2sophtpaw: sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/freemind_0.7.1-6_all.deb10:17
vinboyraven3x7, no error at all10:17
robotgeekbob2, increased it to about 10 secs (10000 ms) and now sound is skipping10:17
Loixi want install full packges for ubuntu10:17
Loixi have 1 CD10:17
bob2robotgeek: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin10:17
vinboydoes helix player play real media video?10:17
Huntzyou got alot of time Loix?10:17
Loixsorry Huntz ;p10:17
Huntzyou will need it perhaps you should use the unoffical guide10:17
robotgeekbob2, thanks...will look!10:17
Huntzhttp://ubuntuguide.org/10:18
lirazwhen trying to boot windows I get the error: partition type 0x7 unkown and NTLDR missing at the bottom. I've ensured this is the right partition(hd1,0). My windows is on first partition second harddrive. Has grub erased somthing which loads windows?10:18
Loixparabolize, are u with me ?10:19
raven3x7vinboy so you installed succesfully?10:19
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raven3x7vinboy sorry mixed up threads10:19
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vinboyyup10:19
parabolizeLoix, I don't get what your asking. you want ALL the packages in ubuntus many repos?10:19
vinboyno problem at all during installation10:20
TheVoxLoix: uhm...the entire ubuntu is 14 gigabytes of data...compressed.10:20
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Loixyes10:20
vinboyraven3x7, maybe i'll go get the binary from real.copm10:21
parabolizeLoix, umm... why?10:21
Loixi need CD2 And 3 etc ?10:21
robotgeekbob2, looked at it...am gonna get to it a bit later, i'll use bmp with the alsa-plugin for now, thanks anyways10:21
ivan_anybody know where to find a universes repository?10:21
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raven3x7vinboy hmmm. that could wok but the program crashing without a message is eird10:21
sophtpawbob: looks promising!10:21
sophtpawconrad@x1-6-00-0b-6a-16-78-f0conrad:~/Desktop$ sudo dpkg -i freemind_0.7.1-6_all.deb10:21
sophtpawSelecting previously deselected package freemind.10:21
sophtpaw(Reading database ... 82528 files and directories currently installed.)10:21
sophtpawUnpacking freemind (from freemind_0.7.1-6_all.deb) ...10:21
sophtpawSetting up freemind (0.7.1-6) ...10:21
parabolizeLoix, no.10:21
vinboyraven3x7, yea..... no error at all... it just freeze in the console10:22
parabolizeLoix, just a connection to the net.10:22
cyphasewho thinks Firefox can reach 100 million downloads by the end of the year?10:22
HuntzI might think so i heard IE7 is for Xp users only which locks out alot of 2000 users etc10:22
Loixaha mmmm cool10:22
raven3x7vinboy what do you mean freeze? the console stopped responding?10:22
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ghetek i want to make a user "administrator" be able to access /var/www/ from ftp, everything is working except that "administrator" gets access denied at the folder and this is after running 'chown -R administrator /var/www' i realize that ftp is insecure but i need ftp access for dreamweaver10:22
Loixparabolize, use update ?10:22
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sophtpawit looks like i'm there! but i have to run freemind from 'run application'10:23
vinboyraven3x7, yup... when I type realplay   ... it just stop10:23
TheVoxcyphase: if they release IE7 in the next 3 months, I bet firefox will hit 100 mill by the end of the year10:23
Loixor add and remove packeges ?10:23
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parabolizeLoix, and a hate for stability. many packages will conflict with each other. man you don't want to do this.10:23
skyhawkerI'm having trouble getting wine to appear in Synaptic... winetools, and the documentation are there, but no wine10:23
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raven3x7do you use backports or marillat or any unusual repos?10:23
cyphaseTheVox, that's what I thought10:23
cyphase:)10:23
HuntzI agree with PAraboilize some packages will confict with other libraries and you end up removing and installing packages and they confict with each others its true evil10:24
THElighthello there. having trouble accessing the repositores th.archive.ubuntu.com. is it still up?10:24
Loixparabolize, thanks and now ill be install kubuntu ;p10:24
Loixby see you after 1 hour ;p10:24
raven3x7vinboy do you use backports or marillat or any unusual repos?10:24
parabolizenot so smart person. :(10:25
The_VoxI can never remember my nickserv password10:25
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skyhawkerI'm having trouble getting wine to appear in Synaptic... winetools, and the documentation are there, but no wine10:25
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mebaran151what is xprint anyway?10:26
liranwhat can i use to convert a mov file to an mpeg/avi?10:26
raven3x7anyone have a problem with synaptic not verifying multiverse packages?10:26
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mebaran151liran, mencoder10:26
mebaran151I think it does it10:26
liranthanks mebaran10:26
DaeDaluzWhat is ment with 'rebuild', in the way I have to rebuild my c++ compiler, because gnuworld 'make' gives errors10:26
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mambajoehi everybody10:28
Huntzhi Mambajoe10:28
mebaran151i need a program for rhythmbox to normalize my volumnes10:28
signbarnwhat _is_ the clipboard daemon for gnome that i see in the unofficial guide?10:28
mambajoecan someone help with the openssl10:28
mebaran151or at least something to add gain10:28
mebaran151to some really soft oggs10:28
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mambajoecan't compile wpa supplicant10:29
sophtpawbob: just wanted to let you know you've helped me succeed in installing freemind - than you!10:29
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mambajoecause don't know the structure of the file organization10:29
mambajoedon't know where the openssl files are10:29
robotgeekalrite ppl, off to sleep! cya tommorow!10:30
ezekielnight robotgeek10:30
mebaran151is mono working in Breezy?10:30
robotgeeknight!10:30
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Huntznight10:30
Huntzdammit to latel ol10:30
sophtpawthanks everyone!10:31
mebaran151why is muine not the default player in Ubuntu, and insted rhythmbox10:31
mambajoeneed to compile wpa supplicant to use wpa with my wireless10:31
liranwith which package is it coming with mebaran151? cant find it on the repositories10:31
mambajoesomebody knows something about that?10:31
The_Voxmambajoe: why don't you install the one that comes with ubuntu?10:32
mambajoewhich one?10:32
bob2v1ru5: if you have a question, ask it in the channel10:33
The_Voxmambajoe: wpasupplicant10:33
mambajoewhere10:33
bob2Huntz: there's no "Debian foundation"10:33
The_Voxmambajoe: you *may* need to add multiverse or universe repos to your sources.list10:33
The_Vox!info wpasupplicant10:33
ubotuwpasupplicant: (Client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i)), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 0.3.8-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 135 kB, Installed size: 376 kB10:33
vinboyhow do I remove a software that i installed using .bin?10:33
The_Voxmambajoe: you need universe10:33
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The_Voxvinboy: you hunt down the files by hand, unless it had the decency to install an uninstaller10:34
bob2Huntz: enterprise effors to do what?10:34
DaeDaluz"you need to rebuild every C++ library on your system" < I dont get it, how do I do that :(10:34
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mambajoeok10:34
bob2DaeDaluz: you're talking about the g++ 4.0 transition?10:34
mambajoethx done10:34
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DaeDaluzeeuhmz10:34
Huntzjust a colberated enterpise effort with severalcompanies Im just wondering of ubuntu has such support being pushed for it.10:34
mambajoenow I'll go and configure it10:34
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mambajoethx The_Vox10:35
bob2DaeDaluz: where did you get that quore from?10:35
DaeDaluzhttp://www.mail-archive.com/coder-com@undernet.org/msg00727.html10:36
vinboyThe_Vox, that is bad..... thanks10:36
DaeDaluzthats the closed thing I can find to my problem on google10:36
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DaeDaluzI get a lot of errors about already defined stuff, when trying to 'make' gnuworld10:37
lsuactiafnermencoder roccks10:37
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bob2DaeDaluz: that has nothing to do with anything10:37
DaeDaluzhm :(10:37
bob2unless you really did randomly recompile some c++ ibraries10:38
bob2paste your error to #flood10:38
DaeDaluzeeuh10:38
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DaeDaluzI think I get excess flood then :X10:38
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bob2then use a less bad irc client10:38
Bolais it possible to change the language back to english after the installation?10:38
bob2probaablye editing /etc/environment is enough10:40
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mambajoeok, disconnecting to move to wireless, see you guys in a bit10:40
ezekiellater mambajoe10:40
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mebaran151do xmms plugins work with beep media player10:40
mebaran151or is the API too different10:41
bob2nope10:41
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DaeDaluzbob2 I get 488 lines of errors, atleast the once I can still see in terminal10:42
bob2DaeDaluz: paste your code then10:42
DaeDaluzNot my code, I get it with gnuworld10:43
DaeDaluzwhen I do 'make'10:43
bob2and gnuworld is...10:43
DaeDaluzhttp://gnuworld.undernet.org/10:43
DaeDaluzirc server thingy10:44
bob2ouch10:44
bob2I wouldn't bother10:44
DaeDaluzlol10:44
bob2just use one of the 50 irc servers in ubuntu already10:44
skyhawkerI'm having trouble getting wine to appear in Synaptic... winetools, and the documentation are there, but no wine10:44
prodigymi culo es en fuego, eso no se hace10:44
skyhawkerand they wont install without wine anyway..10:45
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holycowi haveto say galeon really is a great browser10:45
Razor-Xskyhawker: have you added universe and multiverse?10:45
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holycowsmooth, fast, uses low resources10:46
Razor-Xprodigy: #ubuntu-es10:46
mebaran151holycow, wahhhhhhh10:46
mebaran151*ha10:46
holycowmebaran151, say wha?10:46
holycow:)10:46
skyhawkerRazor-X, i have installed universe... what is multi10:46
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holycoware you agreeing/disagreeing?10:46
THElighti think i have done a foolish thing. i deleted the gpg keys that apt-get uses. i used the rm command. where can i get a set of gpg public keys?10:46
holycowput up your dukes!10:46
holycow-_-10:47
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Razor-Xskyhawker: copy the universe line, but change uni to multi10:47
Razor-Xthat way, you have both10:47
bob2THElight: gpg --import thekeyidaptcomplainsabout ; gpg --export thekeyidaptcomplainsabout | sudo apt-key add -10:47
holycowthe only downside so far is no extensions, i need my flashblock10:47
bob2THElight: and don't ever delete files from /var or /etc unless  you know exactly what they are10:47
Razor-Xbob2: ;)10:47
THElightyes, very foolish indeed.10:48
Razor-XI need a podcast to last me through tomorrow's exercise session10:48
Razor-Xunless I sleep through it like today.... :(10:48
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skyhawkerRazor-X, is there a way to copy them via GUI10:48
holycowyes, listen to bob10:48
holycowbob knows asll10:48
holycowbob shall save you lots of agony and heartache10:49
Razor-Xskyhawker: I use bashpodder, but that's not GUI so... *shrugs*10:49
skyhawkeroh ok10:49
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Multikillhey10:49
Razor-Xyou can use iPodder10:49
Razor-Xbut, then, you have to hunt through the Python libs (or download them all) to get what you need10:49
Multikillcan anyone help me with my laptop, im trying to install kubuntu10:49
Razor-XMultikill: what's the problem?10:50
Multikillwhen i try and log in10:50
Multikillit freezes up10:50
Multikilland i have to reboot10:50
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Razor-Xwhat type of laptop?10:50
MultikillHp pavilion10:50
Multikillamd 64 3200+10:50
parabolizemodel #?10:50
Multikillzv600010:51
Razor-Xyou have to stop PCMCIA detection10:51
Multikillwhats that10:51
Multikillwell, i overwrote my windows partition on accident10:51
prodigywhat's the easiest ways to access windows partitioned MP3's on my Ubuntu?10:51
Multikillso im OS less on it right now and its bugging me lol10:51
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Razor-XI never pawed around with PCMCIA detection, and i'm just _assuming_ it boots up with it10:52
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Razor-Xask around on how to remove that at startup10:52
Multikillwhats pcmcia10:52
Razor-Xit's the interface that allows you to add in PC Cards10:52
Multikillwell10:52
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Razor-Xyou can detect the devices later on, just kill startup detection10:53
Multikilli burned a Windows CD disk just for now and so i can attempt to re partition correctly but I can't get that to load10:53
Razor-Xnot sure how though, so, heh10:53
Razor-Xprodigy: what is the FS type?10:53
Razor-XMultikill: how'ld you burn the disk?10:53
Multikillusing nero10:53
prodigyFS?10:53
Multikillburnt the image10:53
v1ru5prodigy: filesystem10:53
Razor-XMultikill: you shoulda tested it before ;)10:54
daxuzaFile System ;-)10:54
prodigyI think it's NTFS10:54
Razor-Xprodigy: sudo mount /dev/path/to/drive /mnt/existing/mount/point -t ntfs -o umask-022210:54
MultikillWell my intial intention was to dual boot.  But seeing as how i messed up my partition...10:54
Razor-Xthe paths aren't literal, just to let you know ;)10:54
Razor-XMultikill: well, what'ld you do?10:54
Razor-XI'm double-booting here, perfectly10:55
Multikilloverwrote my windows partition10:55
Razor-Xwhat kind of a partition was it?10:55
prodigyprodigy@Ubuntu:~/SGE$ sudo mount /dev/path/to/drive /mnt/existing/mount/point -t ntfs -o umask-022210:55
prodigymount: mount point /mnt/existing/mount/point does not exist10:55
prodigyprodigy@Ubuntu:~/SGE$10:55
Razor-Xwhat FS?10:55
Razor-Xprodigy: ..............10:55
Razor-Xdo you know what ``literal'' means10:56
kronzlol10:56
Razor-X<Razor-X> the paths aren't literal, just to let you know ;)10:56
v1ru5Razor-X: is there a pre-configured GRUB boot disk image available somewhere? Coz it seems my mb is too old to boot grub or lilo from big diskes..10:56
prodigyoh lol10:56
Multikillprodigy: fill in the paths to suit your needs10:56
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Razor-Xthat means tha, you have to know the /dev address to your drive, and make sure /mnt/mount/point exists10:56
Razor-X(mkdir on the latter, fdisk -l on the former)10:57
prodigyhow do I figure that out?10:57
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Razor-Xv1ru5: oh, there's a fix for that10:57
Multikillhey when i push alt+cntrl+F1 is that the command line (when i push it in log in screen)10:57
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r2d4Hi! Does Ubuntu have a firewall on by default? I wrote some script servers and my clients are getting 'Connection Refused'10:58
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Razor-XMultikill: that's a command-line, yes10:58
Razor-Xbut it's better to use an X terminal10:58
DaeDaluzYou have a router r2d4 ?10:58
r2d4No!10:58
Razor-X(In Ubuntu, that's a ``Terminal'', in Kubuntu, that's a ``Konsole'')10:58
thekeitnixguys, ubuntu is being a bastard and not believing me when I tell it my monitor's sync range. - i want 1280x960x85Hz on the screen prefs panel, but there's nothing i can seemingly do to make it believe my monitor can do that :( - any help>?10:58
v1ru5Razor-X: WOW. There is? Nobody has bothered to tell me this before .. o_O10:58
Razor-Xv1ru5: haha, hold on while I peruse the GRUB docs for ya10:59
v1ru5ok :)10:59
Bolawhere can I read about /etc/environment?10:59
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Multikillok is their a way to open the setup.exe from the command line (the one located on a CD)11:00
Multikilli don't know the commands11:00
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Razor-XMultikill: Linux doesen't use ``.exe'' files11:00
prodigydownload Wine11:00
thekeitnixanyone? :(11:01
pawitpprodigy: I don't think he'll get through all the hassle to get wine working11:01
AlexBOthekeitnix: what about?11:01
wdhpawitp, for some purposes it just works out of the box ;)11:01
wdhso he can always try11:01
thekeitnixi need to get 1280x960x85hz in the gnome screen prefs panel11:02
AlexBOthekeitnix: i can help you11:02
wdhthekeitnix, 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'11:02
thekeitnixi changed xorg.conf to give my monitor the right refresh rate ranges11:02
thekeitnixk11:02
pawitpthekeitnix: xorgcfg11:02
Razor-Xv1ru5: done perusing11:02
AlexBOthekeitnix: what driver do you use?11:02
thekeitnixi81011:02
pawitpthekeitnix: as root11:02
AlexBOthekeitnix: can you send me your xorg.conf in pv?11:03
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r2d4DaeDaluz: Is there some method I can use to check if the firewall is on? I did not want to use the GUIs (firestarter, guarddog) since they seem to want to start the firewall if it is not already on. I don't want a firewall, atleast till I get things working.11:03
Razor-Xgrub-install --force-lba /dev/drive11:03
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Razor-Xr2d4: Ubuntu doesen't come with a default firewall11:03
wdhr2d4, firestarter uses a /etc/init.d/firestarter init file.. you can always stop that: 'sudo /etc/init.d/firestarter stop'11:04
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wdhr2d4, not sure about guarddog though11:04
thekeitnixsec alex - im going through the reconfigure you sent me ^11:04
holycowhey guys ... when you click on the update icon in the tool bar and the 'switching users' window pops up asking you for your password ...11:05
v1ru5Razor-X: thanks, i will try that :) Greatly appreciate this tip, good karma to you *hands out a lil piece*11:05
r2d4wdh: in a related question, how come some of the init.d scripts do not respond to the status argument.11:05
holycoware you guys able to drag that dialog / window around?11:05
holycowi can't mind, its weird, i should be able to i think right?11:05
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AlexBOthekeitnix:what?11:05
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Razor-Xv1ru5: note, this isn't end-all11:05
thekeitnixxserver-xorg reconfiguration11:05
Razor-Xif it doesen't work... PM me, i'll try and look up something else11:06
wdhr2d4, well.. probably because the developers of the script did not feel a need for such an argument :)11:06
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l4k3n70YAY MY VIDEO WORKS NOW!11:06
cloudhi none can help me with samba?11:06
cloudi have a problem11:06
cloudwith sharing permissions11:06
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cloudmy win xp client can't access to the the samba shared files11:06
AlexBOthekeitnix: if you send me in pv your xorg.conf, i'll be able to help you11:06
holycowinfact, while that login window is on, i cannot click on any other part of the desktop ... anyone else have this?11:06
cloudit says "access denied"11:06
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holycowcan anyone else chekc if the their window behaviour is the same?11:07
wdhcloud, use 'smbpasswd'11:07
pawitpDid anyone here managed Canon i255, I saw the thread about i250, but the test page won't print11:07
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r2d4wdh: yes! but many of these scripts do have a code block to handle status. funny.11:07
Razor-Xhmmmm, it's time for me to retire I believe11:07
cloudwdh: already done...but after? i set a password for my account and then? things remain the same..11:07
Razor-XI'm gonna pick a podcast, and retire for the night11:07
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rommeris there a way to view the cpu/ram stats from the command line?11:08
pawitpDid anyone here managed Canon i255, I saw the thread about i250, but the test page won't print11:08
Razor-Xrommer: ps aux11:08
prodigyI really need to quit smoking by like a doctor sedation method under the table11:08
Razor-X(however much I hate ``aux'')11:08
AlexBOi've just download xine.I think it's very good, but when i try to connect to a radio (for example BBC) it last for 10 minutes and it says that it cannot found the plugin.how can i do?11:08
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rommerRazor-X: ok thakns11:08
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v1ru5Razor-X: so what partition should i install the GRUB to? the main linux partition ( / ) _11:08
Razor-Xsince ``aux'' is BSD notation, I try and stay as Linux as possible ;)11:08
mebaran151vorbisgain is neato11:08
enaut1How can I export installed softwarepackages installed with synaptic?11:08
Razor-Xv1ru5: no partition11:08
wdhcloud, well.. i think you should make an account for the same user WinXP is using11:08
Razor-Xto the main drive11:08
v1ru5ah11:08
v1ru5gotcha11:09
mebaran151v1ru5, not a partition11:09
Razor-XI have only one drive, with multiple partitions, I install to /dev/hda11:09
mebaran151you put it on the MBR11:09
Razor-XWindows is /dev/hda111:09
mebaran151so just omit the number11:09
Razor-XUbuntu is /dev/hda3 (Ubuntu /, that is)11:09
Razor-Xyeah, exactly, what mebaran151 said11:09
v1ru5grub-installer says that "permission denied" when i try to run it from this Ubuntu INSTALL SHELL.. how to counter it?11:09
lirazwhen trying to boot windows I get the error: partition type 0x7 unkown and NTLDR missing at the bottom. I've ensured this is the right partition(hd1,0). My windows is on first partition second harddrive. Has grub erased somthing which loads windows?11:09
Razor-Xv1ru5: prepend a ``sudo''11:09
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lirazsorry I think I said that before, but I had to leave11:10
v1ru5ok11:10
cloudwdh: how can i tell to samba which windows user must have access rights?11:10
mebaran151heheh vorbisgain takes three times as long with claissical as it does with my Japanese Rock11:10
mebaran151interesting11:10
Razor-Xliraz: copy your menu.lst somewhere safe11:10
mebaran151and it has to cut off 10db off each of my japanese rock charts11:10
mebaran151interesting11:10
Razor-Xand then....11:10
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Razor-Xopen a DOS Boot Disk11:10
bartekphi11:10
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Razor-Xmebaran151: haha, JRock all the way ;)11:10
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Razor-Xand then fdisk /mbr11:11
Razor-Xi'm thinking of getting an anime podcast, for lack of better things to do11:11
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Razor-Xbut, I need something entertaining for an hour :(11:11
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enaut1How can I export installed softwarepackages installed with synaptic and bur them on CD to reinstall them at another pc?11:11
Razor-Xboth TWiT and Diggnation kick ass ;)11:12
v1ru5Razor-X: "sudo" -command not found :((11:12
mebaran151Razor-X, yeah the Pillows are awesome11:12
rommerRazor-X: is there a way to view the total % of cpu and mem usage except for each process?11:12
wdhcloud, i think you just have to make an smbpasswd for that user11:12
Razor-Xv1ru5: .... you're in Ubuntu, correct?11:12
bartekpenaut1: copy /var/cache/apt/archives/*11:12
mebaran151but you cant beat Tchaivosky11:12
mebaran151rommer, top11:12
Razor-Xmebaran151: haha, true that11:12
v1ru5Razor-X: i'm on the installer, because i cannot boot up Ubuntu11:12
v1ru5that's why i am asking the grub questions11:13
v1ru5to get it boot11:13
mebaran151heheh11:13
v1ru5i've fighted with it for a week now11:13
Razor-Xrommer: cat /proc/meminfo11:13
v1ru5kinda pissed here11:13
lirazRazor-X, wont that just destroy my grub?11:13
rommerok thanks11:13
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mebaran151Razor-X, top is a little easier11:13
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Razor-Xliraz: yeah11:13
Razor-Xerrr, not make a copy of menu.lst11:13
Razor-Xmake a GRUB boot floppy11:13
HappyFoolello11:13
Razor-X(intsructions are on the site)11:13
mebaran151to make a grub floppy11:13
mebaran151you can run grub-install /dev/fd0 I believe11:14
v1ru5'are on the site'11:14
v1ru5whereabouts?11:14
Razor-Xv1ru5: try installing GAG11:14
lirazRazor-X, grub worked fine for dual boot in fedora. Is there no way I can configure grub to boot both windows and linux?11:14
mebaran151as root11:14
v1ru5mebaran151: yup but it says permission denied11:14
Razor-X(it's a bootmanager)11:14
mebaran151vlru5 ah11:14
mebaran151sudo it11:14
Razor-Xliraz: you can11:14
Razor-Xbut, the NTLDR is gone11:14
Razor-Xyou need it back11:14
mebaran151you may have to mount it but I dont think so11:14
v1ru5mebaran151: sudo command not found11:14
mebaran151su11:14
Razor-Xafter that, you can reinstall GRUB easy11:14
Razor-Xv1ru5: su11:14
mebaran151are you root11:14
mebaran151can you become root11:15
mebaran151make yourself root grasshopper!11:15
v1ru5installer shell11:15
mebaran151ah you are root11:15
Razor-Xv1ru5: try GAG ;)11:15
v1ru5"su, not found"11:15
Razor-XI don't think the installer shell does much11:15
mebaran151eh, why are you in the installer shell11:15
v1ru5:S11:15
lirazRaskall, NTLDR - i'm guessing this loads windows.Why did it get erased in the first place? is this somthing ubuntu grub specific?11:15
mebaran151vlru5 the installer shell is Busybox11:15
mebaran151they compile in like 5 BASIC utilities11:15
v1ru5mebaran151: cause i can't get the system to boot.11:15
mebaran151heheh11:15
jubeiHow come my monitor turns off even though "Enable display power management" is disabled?11:15
Razor-Xliraz: GRUB and Ubuntu are seperate but, no, it happens, not sure why, it didn't happen on my end, but I was prepared just in case11:15
r2d4An FTP question. I used to use Pure-FTP on Suse. There I used to run it as a simple process. On ubuntu, it is running as a super server and has all this virtual user stuff that I have not gotten my hands around yet. Is there a way, I can disengage a daemon?11:15
mebaran151dont use the install disker11:15
mebaran151get system rescue cd11:16
mebaran151a real set of tools for a real man11:16
Razor-Xv1ru5: install GAG XD11:16
r2d4I am not really in this daemon stuff.  So please excuse my wrong terminology if any.11:16
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Razor-Xr2d4: pureftp stop11:16
v1ru5i am really starting to think that windows is just the way to go11:16
Razor-Xor, ``executabledaemonname stop'' basically11:16
v1ru5is that what you guys want me to think?11:16
Razor-Xv1ru5: install GAG11:16
Razor-XI spent 2 weeks getting my NTFS to partition right11:17
mebaran151vlru5, what happened in the first place11:17
v1ru5Razor-X: that's probably easier said than don11:17
v1ru5e11:17
mebaran151to make it unbootable11:17
Razor-Xv1ru5: not really11:17
Razor-Xgo into Windows, and install11:17
v1ru5i don't fucking know11:17
v1ru5o_O11:17
Razor-X;)11:17
v1ru5you can install it from windows?11:17
Razor-XGAG can be installed OS independant11:17
r2d4Razor-X: did /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd stop. But FTP is still running11:17
Razor-Xof course ya can!11:17
lirazRazor-X, ok. It could be somthing with my hdd setup... one more thing, since I dont have a floppy can I just put grub on a flash disk?11:17
v1ru5Razor-X: so umm.11:17
v1ru5making this clear..11:17
v1ru5Razor-X: i'll install ubuntu. after the setup, boot to windows. install the GAG. boot, and boot up ubuntu?11:18
Razor-Xv1ru5: no11:18
Razor-Xgo to Windows now, install GAG11:19
v1ru5besides i have to use a CD to boot to windows cause for some reason my MBR seems to be busted11:19
Razor-Xinstall Ubuntu, don't install GRUB11:19
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Razor-Xand then setup GAG to boot Ubuntu11:19
v1ru5ok11:19
v1ru5well, going to try it ->11:19
Razor-Xor, install GRUB11:19
mebaran151vlru5, yeah installing grub straight off the bat is hard11:19
Razor-Xbut don't install to MBR11:19
mebaran151if you run the installer11:19
mebaran151it picks up all the messes details11:19
mebaran151you might be able to do an MBR install11:20
mebaran151*meesy11:20
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mebaran151sorry long night11:20
scanwinderwhat would a palm zire 21 be in /dev/  ?11:21
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fabiensalut11:21
Razor-Xv1ru5: have you tried GRUB before?11:22
fabien tous11:22
mebaran151it is amazing the random order that reiserfs puts files in11:22
fabienj'aurai besoind'aide11:22
mebaran151really rather astounding, and it makes me appreciate the work ls11:22
Razor-Xmebaran151: I may make a Reiser4 partition ;)11:22
DaeDaluzfabien, parle anglais? :+11:22
fabiennon dae11:22
mebaran151fabien, je pourrais vous aider11:22
Razor-Xfabien: #ubuntu-fr11:23
fabienmerci evaram11:23
Razor-Xje parle un peu francais, un peu11:23
mebaran151mon francais n'est pas courrant, alors11:23
Razor-Xhahaha, everyone knows French11:23
Razor-Xbut no-one knows Spanish ;)11:23
DaeDaluzMy french sucks11:23
fabienvoila je demarre avec ubuntu j'ai t ds synaptie pour comprendre un peu linux11:23
DaeDaluzHad some french classes at school, didnt pay much attention tho :X11:24
fabienmais qd je recupere des telecharchement du genre rpm ou autre11:24
fabienj'arrive pas  les installer11:24
Razor-Xi'm 15, I have only 1 year of French insofar11:24
DaeDaluzI had 3 I think :(11:24
mebaran151I've had liek 711:24
fabieny'a til une ligne de commande rapide  faire ds le termenale pour facillit les installation de paquet11:25
mebaran151too bad I didnt get any tech vocab11:25
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DaeDaluzbut had lots of grammer, and now I have no talking skills :p11:25
mebaran151fabien, je pense que c'est .deb dans Ubuntu11:25
fabiendonc je peu installer que des paquets .deb11:25
mebaran151fabien, oui11:26
fabienok11:26
mebaran151les debs sont ce dont vous avez besoin11:26
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mebaran151*dont11:26
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mebaran151mais utilisez Synaptic, la programme pour faire les installer des mirrors globales11:27
mebaran151(I hope some of that makes sense)11:27
fabience qui veut dire que les autres paquets je ne pourrai que les decompresse mais pas les insatller c'est sa mebaram11:27
Razor-Xmebaran151: I can understand it, with my one year of infantile grammar ;)11:27
Razor-Xthat, and i'm the best French student in the class -- even though I was forced to take it ;)11:28
DaeDaluzI was the worst in my class xD11:28
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Razor-Xwith that, i'll take my leave to shower and bed at 2:30 AM, because someone I was looking for didn't show up >_<11:28
Razor-Xand my podcast's downloading nicely11:28
mebaran151hehe11:29
mebaran151you searching for persons that never show up11:29
mebaran151tsk tsk11:29
mebaran151well good for you, it is a useful language, and if you get the use of 'dont' you know more than msot11:30
fabienj'ai aussi un pb qd je lance ut 200411:30
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tomikihola a todos , buenos dias11:30
mebaran151ah, vous voudriez l'installer ut 200411:30
vince_i need some help with totem. it wont play any videos11:30
fabienje l'ai installer mebaram11:30
mebaran151vince_, dll the pkg gstreamer-plugins11:31
mebaran151or at least ffmpeg11:31
tomikitengo un portatil , un p2 366 sin cdrom11:31
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fabienle sousci c'est qd je lance le jeu11:31
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tomikiy me gustaria instalarle ubuntu11:31
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fabienj'ai un ecran qui selance et puis plus rien11:31
mebaran151hmm, je ne sais pas11:31
HappyFoolhmm, usually i can understand this channel ;)11:31
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daxuzafabian : t'as lanc avec la console ?11:31
fabieny at'il un reglage graphique  faire11:31
HappyFoolvince_: have you read the 'restrictedformats' page on the wiki?11:31
mebaran151excusez ma grammaire; je suis fatigue11:31
HappyFool!restricted11:31
uboturestricted is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats11:31
Razor-Xahhhh!11:32
HappyFoolhmm11:32
mebaran151je ne sais pas le mot "lancer"11:32
Razor-X#ubuntu-fr people!11:32
fabienkel console qaxuza11:32
Razor-Xthis is a little too.... French-ie hahaha11:32
mebaran151Razor-X, I never get to use my French ... :p11:32
Razor-Xand yes, I was looking for female persons that didn't show up, mebaran151 XD11:32
skyhawkerI'm back... I now have the multiverse installed, as well the universe...however 'wine' is not available in the list, only winetools...(in synaptic)11:32
mebaran151Razor-X, bad things happen to those who wait11:32
mebaran151good luck kid11:32
Razor-Xmebaran151: hah11:32
daxuzafabian : tu dmarre le prog avec la console de linux ?11:32
annei am an ex windows user, running a web site in a server using frontpage, what must i do to continue using that server whith ubuntu? i suppose i need a program that can read frontpage and that can be used in ubuntu, any suggestions anyone?11:33
Razor-Xthere's an odd thing between us, that i'm not about to explain here11:33
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DaeDaluzfrontpage? :(11:33
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mebaran151 ... and I wasnt even asking, Razor-X11:33
Razor-Xmebaran151: I know11:33
HappyFoolskyhawker: wine is in universe; you must have an error of some sort11:33
Razor-XI just said a little too much...11:33
Razor-XHappyFool: did you do apt-get update?11:33
mebaran151eh, good luck anyway11:33
fabienalors j'ao cette erreur la avec ur ds un terminale11:33
concept10anne, try Nvu and get a FTP program11:33
mebaran151you can figure it out in Ruby11:33
skyhawkerHappyFool, yeah I'm not sure what to do now...11:34
Razor-Xmebaran151: yeah, i'm progressing in the book11:34
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daxuzaannee : use bluefish11:34
Razor-Xstill, code blocks are a bit weird, IMO11:34
HappyFoolRazor-X: not in the last 30 minutes ;)11:34
HappyFoolskyhawker: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to the paste-bin; maybe we can spot an error11:34
HappyFool!pastebin11:34
ubotusomebody said pastebin was at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood11:34
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fabienalors l'eeur c'est missing in dismplay 0.011:35
fabienextensio, xig sundry monst antard11:35
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darkmatteror http://pastebin.ca11:35
HappyFooli'm sure there are tens or hundreds of alternatives ;)11:35
skyhawkerok pasted11:36
darkmatterthat there are11:36
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fabienqui pourrai m'aider11:36
HappyFoolskyhawker: it's traditional to post an url of the paste ;)11:36
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skyhawkerhttp://ubuntu.pastebin.com/319535 my bad11:36
mambajoehi can somebody give me a hand with the configuration of my wireless with wpa supplicant11:37
mambajoe?11:37
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HappyFoolskyhawker: ok, for starters you've mentioned hoary main and restricted twice, which is unnecessary11:37
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mambajoeI think I have something wrong in my config11:38
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HappyFoolskyhawker: secondly, you have non-ubuntu repositories (wine.sourceforge.net), which may or may not be a problem11:38
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fabienqui peut m'indiquer une lmigne d'installation rapide de paquet en root11:38
skyhawkerHappyFool, do I need to always edit it via root terminal - nano, if I open it in the text editor in the menu, it's read-only11:38
HappyFoolskyhawker: yeah, either via root terminal, or do 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list' or 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list' in a normal terminal11:38
HappyFoolgedit may be easier11:39
anneconcept10, i have tried that and it doesnt work, it reads my pages but when i add changes to my web site, its getting the wrong layout on the web, and i gett error messages  , i am using b-one.net and it cant read linux,its a front page server11:39
Chalma|ZzZI don't want to be flamed but I am incredibly new to linux and I just installed ubuntu but I can't get a graphic screen.  I tried xf86free and start x but none of those commands work11:39
darkmatter#Ubuntu looks weird in Comic Sans MS.11:40
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Chalma|ZzZI just need to edit the file I'm sure my comp can handle graphics mode11:40
bob2Chalma|ZzZ: why would you be flamed?11:40
bob2Chalma|ZzZ: you did a default install and X didn't start at all?11:40
Chalma|ZzZI dunno11:40
Chalma|ZzZjust thought ahead of time11:40
Chalma|ZzZnope11:40
skyhawkerHappyFool, how bout this > http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/31953611:40
HappyFoolskyhawker: take a look here: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/31953711:40
HappyFoolskyhawker: heh. ok, stand by11:40
Chalma|ZzZits running on another comp now lemme take a look at the message11:41
HappyFoolskyhawker: you still have two hoary 'main' entries11:41
Chalma|ZzZnope says its unable to start X server, and asks if I want to view the output11:41
skyhawkerHappyFool, damn which one did I delete then..11:41
HappyFoolskyhawker: the syntax is roughly <location> <distribution> <section> <section> <section>11:41
HappyFoolskyhawker: where <location> is an url, <distribution> is hoary, and <section> is one of main, etc11:42
HappyFoolskyhawker: take a look at the url i posted; probably easiest if you just copy that11:42
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darkmatterChalma|ZzZ: sounds like xorg.conf is messed up. have you tried running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?11:43
HappyFoolChalma|ZzZ: do you know what graphics card you have?11:43
Chalma|ZzZi have no idea how to run or reconfigure11:43
Chalma|ZzZthe graphics card is a radeon 750011:44
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HappyFoolChalma|ZzZ: it's not too hard; you should see a text screen saying 'login: ' (among other things)11:44
skyhawkerHappyFool, ok I copied it and am running apt-get update now11:44
HappyFoolChalma|ZzZ: enter your user name (the one you selected during install), then press enter, then your password (and enter)11:44
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Chalma|ZzZok there11:44
poningruwas xine removed as a package?11:45
skyhawkerHappyFool, I'm now not seeing any sign on wine11:45
HappyFoolChalma|ZzZ: now type 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'11:45
poningrufrom the repositories?11:45
skyhawkersign of..11:45
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HappyFoolChalma|ZzZ: enter your password again when prompted11:45
HappyFoolChalma|ZzZ: and then answer the questions as best you can11:45
HappyFoolskyhawker: hmm11:45
Raptoidselamlar.11:46
Chalma|ZzZalright I'll try that now11:46
annecan anybody help me to figure out how to use a front page editor in ubuntu11:46
skyhawkerHappyFool, there is a wine-doc on the list, but thats it..11:47
poningruanne: dont use front page because none exists for ubuntu or linux11:47
bob2"front page" is a particular editor11:47
poningruthere are better wysiwyg web page editor11:47
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poningruoh didnt know that11:47
poningrusorry11:47
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bob2people tend to think in terms of brand names for some reason, which is weird11:47
incubiinVu is a nice editor11:47
skyhawkerHappyFool, the wine-doc is from universe11:47
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poningruwait bob2 was toward me or anne ?11:47
fabienqui aurait amule ou un truc de ce gebre11:48
HappyFoolskyhawker: something is still wrong11:48
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bob2anne11:48
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skyhawkerHappyFool, dangit. I need wine11:48
Chalma|ZzZsays xserver is not installed and there is no info on it11:48
bob2fabien: this is pretty clearly an english-speaking channel11:48
fabienok who have emule for ubuntu11:48
pawitpDoes the ubuntu installation cd support reiserfs4?11:48
HappyFoolskyhawker: ok, my system is correct; wine is definitely in hoary universe:  http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/otherosfs/wine11:48
bob2nope11:48
bob2reiser4 isn't in the linux kernel11:48
annewhat do i do then, i have been using frontpage in windows, and paid my domene for a year to b-one.net11:49
HappyFoolskyhawker: apt-get update didn't report any errors ?11:49
coobraanne:  nano pico :P11:49
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coobraanne:  emacs11:49
HappyFoolanne: is the problem uploading your web files, or something else?11:49
LasseLfabien: check ubuntuguide.org11:49
Seveasteferi, around..?11:49
darkmatterChalma|ZzZ: no xserver? sudo apt-get x-window-system11:49
incubiianne: http://www.nvu.com/11:49
SeveasLasseL, ubuntuguide is not the best source of information...11:49
anneits both ways happyfool11:50
LasseLSeveas, it will answer fabiens question just fine11:50
pawitphow to I install ubuntu on reiserfs4?11:50
skyhawkerHappyFool, nope, I just did it again, and still no wine11:50
bob2pawitp: please don't /msg people11:50
HappyFoolskyhawker: oh, hmm11:50
bob2pawitp: if you want to install onto reiser4, I'd recommend using another distribution11:50
annecoobra: you have to explaine emacs to me and where to find it11:51
poningrubob2: why?11:51
HappyFoolskyhawker: that trailing / on ubuntu may be wrong11:51
bob2because it's not supported and not stable11:51
deFryskwhen using reiser4 in /boot use lilo11:51
poningrubob2: wow been using reiser for the last year11:51
Razor-Xanne: sudo aptitude install emacs11:51
poningruno problems yet11:51
HappyFoolskyhawker: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/31954211:51
poningruanne: what do you plan on using emacs for?11:51
HappyFooli don' think emacs is a great first editor ;)11:52
HappyFooldon't, even11:52
poningruyeah11:52
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Razor-Xwell, I do ;)11:52
HappyFoolspeaking as someone who uses it everyday11:52
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blkdominihi all11:52
nikkiaHappyFool: i'd also add that its not an editor for casual editing11:52
HappyFoolanne: you should be able to upload files using FTP or some other mechanism11:52
skyhawkerHappyFool,  was that just the top line, had the extra /11:52
nikkiaemacs shines when you open an editor and leave it open for 2-3 months at a time :)11:52
HappyFoolnikkia: i use it for casual editing ;)11:52
SeveasRazor-X, you sadist :)11:52
HappyFoolskyhawker: yip11:53
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darkmatteremacs isn't an editor, it's an OS;)11:53
poningrudarkmatter: hahahaha11:53
incubiii cant for th elife of me think why you would do that nikkia11:53
skyhawkerHappyFool, ok I changed it, updated, and still only wine-doc11:53
anne ponningru: i need to continue running my web site even thoug i have started using ubuntu11:53
poningruanne: I would reccomend something like NVU11:53
nikkiaHappyFool: using emacsclient i hope, the startup time is too high IMO for starting all of emacs to add 1 or 2 lines then quit11:53
poningrubut thats not in the repositories11:53
poningruhold on11:53
Seveasapart from holy vim vs emacs vs teco vs ed wars: recommending one of them to a newbie is sadistic :)11:53
thoreauputicanne: the nvu editor has built-in uploading and is wysiwyg11:53
HappyFoolskyhawker: nyaargh11:53
Razor-XSeveas: sadist, hehe11:53
Razor-Xwell, I learned vi as my first editor11:54
HappyFoolnikkia: yeah, at work i run only 1 emacs, started first thing in the morning ;)11:54
Razor-X*shrugs*11:54
skyhawkerHappyFool, i seem to do this to computers.. :(11:54
Razor-Xbut, I was unenlightened then11:54
nikkiaHappyFool: heh, my emacs at work was started in, umm, december, i think11:54
incubiii use vi, because thats all ive ever used11:54
anneis there any possibility to talk in a privat area, its getting to much to fast for me11:54
v1ru5Razor-X: ok.. got it working, but not the normal way. i have to have XP cd inside so it won't display the "disk boot error" stuff, instead, with it it goes straight to the GRUB.11:54
v1ru5ANYHOW, i'm not satisfied11:54
HappyFoolskyhawker: can you paste the output of 'sudo apt-get update' to the pastebin too?11:55
HappyFoolskyhawker: maybe i can see what it's doing11:55
v1ru5ubuntu doesn't load up X or any WM11:55
v1ru5i mean11:55
nikkiaSeveas: i'm not sure forcing users to use nano is much less sadistic, btw :P11:55
HappyFoolskyhawker: or rather, what it isn't doing11:55
Razor-Xv1ru5: it's supposed to11:55
v1ru5Well, it sure doesn't11:55
Razor-Xv1ru5: what are the specs on that machine?11:55
poningruhmm11:55
Seveasnikkia, hehe :)11:55
Seveasgedit/kate :)11:55
poningruanne I would try the kde web editing package11:55
Razor-XSeveas: no notepad?11:55
skyhawkerHappyFool, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/31954311:55
v1ru5Razor-X: 900mhz p3 i think, 256mb ram, matrox g300 or 400 what was it can't remember now11:56
SeveasRazor-X, you would need to have a running wine for that...11:56
Razor-Xv1ru5: what is the error?11:56
poningruon your synaptic11:56
Razor-XSeveas: there's a port, IIRC11:56
poningrugotta go11:56
poningrunight11:56
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anneok i will try kde,11:56
Razor-Xanne: congrats!11:56
v1ru5Razor-X: the error? well, at this first time i fired it up, it displayed about 15-25 pages of errors11:56
deFryskkde ? omg11:57
annewhat do you mean about congrats11:57
v1ru5Razor-X: mainly because of files not being found11:57
Razor-Xv1ru5: did you install the whole system?11:57
v1ru5yes i did11:57
Razor-XI have a feeling your CD is corrupt11:57
Razor-Xdid you check it with an MD5?11:57
v1ru5yes and it is fine11:58
Razor-Xanne: good that you're using KDE11:58
v1ru5this is weird shit11:58
Razor-Xv1ru5: then why is it erroring?11:58
v1ru5no fucking idea.11:58
Razor-Xon first bootup, it's supposed to install a lot of stuff11:58
v1ru5umm11:58
HappyFoolskyhawker: hmm. line 13 seems to imply it's doing the right thing11:58
Razor-Xand that's not error11:58
Razor-Xtry another bootup, and see what happens11:58
HappyFoolskyhawker: maybe there's a way to make apt forget everything and reload11:58
annei will download that now, throug synaptic yes???11:58
v1ru5actually i haven't ecked it with md5 :P11:58
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Razor-Xwell, i'm off to bed now11:59
Razor-Xnight11:59
v1ru5Razor-X: damn11:59
skyhawkerHappyFool,  that'd be good11:59
deFryskhappy kde dreams ;p11:59
srivestanyone has skype installed on unbuntu ?11:59
v1ru5Razor-X: how do i check md5?11:59
HappyFoolskyhawker: hrm, no, i can't an option for that11:59
srivestmd5sum <filename>12:00
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deFryskv1ru5, md5sum blah12:00
v1ru5 hm12:00
HappyFoolskyhawker: try this 'sudo apt-get check' ?12:00
v1ru5how do i check cd's md5?12:00
HappyFoolskyhawker: and then do the 'apt-cache search wine' again12:00
v1ru5when its already burned12:00
HappyFoolv1ru5: what OS are you on?12:00
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v1ru5or can i?12:00
v1ru5linux12:00
deFryskv1ru5, md5sum the iso12:00
HappyFoolv1ru5: ok, is the CD mounted?12:00
v1ru5don't have the iso12:00
v1ru5the cd is on the drive12:00
HappyFoolv1ru5: there's a file md5sum.txt in the CD's root12:00
v1ru5ok12:01
skyhawkerHappyFool, still only finds wine-doc :(12:01
HappyFoolv1ru5: go to that directory, and type 'md5sum -v -c md5sum.txt'12:01
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deFryskubuntu cd's should have a media-check like fedora-redhat12:01
HappyFoolskyhawker: hmm12:01
v1ru5umm12:01
v1ru5wtf12:01
HappyFoolskyhawker: it's probably a simple thing12:02
HappyFoolskyhawker: there must be a way to make apt forget. stand by12:02
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srivestanyone using skype here ?12:03
xophErhow can I enable DMA for my hdds?12:03
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srivesthdparm12:03
sorush20anyone here using ndiswrapper12:04
HappyFoolskyhawker: cd to /var/lib/apt/lists12:04
skyhawkerHappyFool, I found apt-get clean an.....ok12:04
HappyFoolskyhawker: ok, you can try that first; might work12:04
HappyFoolskyhawker: do the clean, then update, and try12:04
skyhawkerHappyFool, no I tried it, it didn't12:04
thoreauputicxophEr: the hdparm answer above was for you12:04
HappyFoolskyhawker: ok, cd to /varlib/apt/lists12:05
skyhawkerHappyFool, yup12:05
HappyFoolskyhawker: there's files in there for each of the repository sections12:05
HappyFoolskyhawker: what does 'grep "Package: wine" *' say ?12:05
srivestthorea: sorry, I'm not really helpfull.. I'm looking for help myself12:05
xophErok, thanks12:06
HappyFoolskyhawker: i see 4 hits, wine, wine-doc, wine-utils and winesetuptk12:06
srivestxophEr: hdparm -d I think12:06
xophEr/dev/hda1:12:06
xophEr using_dma    =  0 (off)12:06
HappyFoolskyhawker: my idea is to move all of a i386_Packages files elsewhere, and run 'apt-get update' again12:06
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xophErand that means its not enabled?12:07
skyhawkerHappyFool, i see wine-doc, wine, winelib, winesetuptk12:07
thoreauputicxophEr: sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hd* where * is your hard drive12:07
HappyFoolskyhawker: hmm12:07
sorush20could someone shed some light on something for me....  please.... I'll paste the details in the flood...12:07
xophErok12:07
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skyhawkerHappyFool, btw, am on amd6412:07
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HappyFoolskyhawker: what does 'sudo apt-get install wine' do then?12:07
HappyFoolskyhawker: oooooohhhhhhhhh12:07
ubuntu-simonwhats the mount command to mount my windows partition12:07
xophErHDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument12:07
thoreauputicxophEr: /etc/hdparm.conf to make it start on boot12:07
HappyFoolskyhawker: i don't think wine works on amd6412:07
Seveasubuntu-simon: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically12:07
v1ru5ok12:07
v1ru5now i booted, no errors12:07
v1ru5BUT12:07
skyhawkerHappyFool, oh crap. that's how simple it is???12:07
SeveasxophEr, run hdparm as root12:07
v1ru5how do i launch up x and some WM manually????12:07
v1ru5startx doesn't work.12:08
thoreauputicxophEr: sudo12:08
xophEryes, I did run it as root12:08
Seveasv1ru5, is startx won't work, it does not work :)12:08
holycowstartx from where?12:08
HappyFoolskyhawker:look here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/otherosfs/wine12:08
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Seveasv1ru5, what does startx say?12:08
HappyFoolskyhawker: only i386 listed12:08
thoreauputicxophEr: what did you type?12:08
holycowtry sudo startx?12:08
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Seveasholycow, eeeek12:08
xophErthoreauputic, sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda12:08
Seveasdon't!12:08
srivestput the 1 close to the d like -d112:08
v1ru5Seveas: command not found12:08
Seveasv1ru5, hmm12:08
xophEroh12:08
Chalma|ZzZwell I'm about dead I will try tomorrow12:08
v1ru5i am really getting tired of this ubuntu shit12:08
Chalma|ZzZgnight12:08
Seveasdid you do a server/expert install?12:08
v1ru515 times i have installed it12:09
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v1ru5Seveas: yep12:09
HappyFoolskyhawker: maybe someone else knows about '32-bit chrooting', or something, which may help you; unfortunately I'm not familiar with that12:09
v1ru5and now i am thinking of the 16th12:09
Seveasv1ru5, that does not install X :)12:09
thoreauputicxophEr: yes, the space was wrong I think - sorry12:09
v1ru5Seveas: oh, lol12:09
xophErthoreauputic, still didnt work :)12:09
xophErsame error12:09
v1ru5so another install12:09
v1ru5lol12:09
v1ru5brb12:09
thoreauputicxophEr: hmm12:09
Seveasv1ru5, no12:09
v1ru5O_o12:09
holycowv1ru5, well lets see, you are trying to install dual boot but you don't have the skills to pull it off ... :)12:09
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Seveasv1ru5, which window manager do you want? gnome/kde/xfce?12:09
holycowv1ru5, try getting a separate hd and install it on that12:09
skyhawkerHappyFool, hm ok. damn......um, is there another program I can use....or should I take the time to format and install the 32-bit version..12:09
v1ru5Seveas: gnome12:09
holycowthat way you can boot into what you need and you get to still play with ubuntu12:09
skyhawkerHappyFool, could I install 32-bit?12:10
Seveasv1ru5, in the console, simply type: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop12:10
v1ru5holycow: actually, i've only had problems with the boot loader, not the os's itself12:10
HappyFoolskyhawker: as far as i know, you can install 32-bit x86 ubuntu on an amd6412:10
skyhawkerHappyFool, would this be my best option?12:10
thoreauputicxophEr: are you sure the drive is hda ?12:10
Seveasv1ru5, then wait a while and reboot12:10
HappyFoolskyhawker: i don't know; have you googled on 'amd64 wine' ?12:10
holycowv1ru5, *nod*, just for the record, i understand your frustration, i'm just trying to linup the cause and effect properly12:10
xophErthoreauputic, positive..12:11
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thoreauputicxophEr: try typing " sudo hdparm /dev/hda " - you should get a atatus report on the existing settings12:11
thoreauputic*status12:12
srivestxophEr: it's possible that the controller doesn't let you do that dynamically .. on the web they talk abour recompiling the kernel with DMA "on"12:12
v1ru5holycow: yep well, for some reason the MBR is busted12:12
v1ru5and i don't know how to fix MBR's12:12
HappyFoolskyhawker: i'm not sure what this means, but it doesn't sound promising re wine on amd64 (in 64-bit mode): http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/02/msg00341.html12:12
v1ru5holycow: do you?12:12
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holycowdo i what? dual boot?12:12
v1ru5Seveas: ok, but what's the password? O_o12:12
v1ru5Seveas: for the sudo12:12
HappyFoolskyhawker: so i guess your best bet is 32-bit mode if you really need wine12:12
Seveasv1ru5, your own12:12
holycowno, dual booting is stupid considering how cheap hd's are12:12
v1ru5holycow: can you fix broken sectors on HD's12:12
holycowi use removable hd trays and usb hd's12:12
Seveasthe one you log in with12:12
Bolav1ru5: haha what a nick :)12:12
skyhawkerHappyFool, yeah I just googled it, there's a lot of questions, but no answers12:13
v1ru5Bola: ??12:13
srivestxophEr: I've just tried myself and I get: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument12:13
HappyFoolskyhawker: what do you need wine for?12:13
holycowah no, i never learned about mbr because there is no point :/12:13
v1ru5Seveas: "user xxxxxxxx" is not on sudo list ..12:13
holycowwish i could be more helpfull12:13
v1ru5Seveas: how can i add people to sudo list12:13
Bolav1ru5: digits in nicks is deprecated :)12:13
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v1ru5yah but i've used this for over 10 yrs now12:13
v1ru5so i'm not going to change it12:13
v1ru5sorry12:13
holycowused what for 10 years?12:13
v1ru5this nick12:14
skyhawkerHappyFool, I'm still trying to get my head around Linux really, but there's a few little games and programs I'd still like to be able to use..12:14
holycowoh, haha!12:14
v1ru5O_o12:14
holycowsorry thought you were talking about linux, nm12:14
v1ru5:D12:14
v1ru5i wish12:14
v1ru5anyhow, how do i add people to sudo list?12:14
HappyFoolskyhawker: well, despite the opinion of others here ;) i'd considering have a dual-boot system12:14
HappyFoolv1ru5: do you have a root password? did you enter one during install?12:14
v1ru5cause when i give sudo my pass it just says that my login is not in the sudo list12:14
v1ru5yeah i have it12:14
v1ru5but sudo apparently doesn't want it12:14
HappyFoolv1ru5: then use 'su -c <command>' instead12:15
v1ru5just says that wrong password byebye12:15
HappyFoolv1ru5: entering the root password12:15
srivestanyone using skype ?12:15
v1ru5can't i just change to root and run aptitude without the sudo12:15
v1ru5?12:15
thoreauputicv1ru5: because sudo wants your user passwd12:15
HappyFoolv1ru5: you can add yourself to the sudo list by doing something like 'EDITOR=gedit su -c visudo /etc/sudoers'12:15
rem_Hey just a simple question how do you open a tgz.gpg file ?12:15
skyhawkerHappyFool, ha I've had that before and don't particularly like that method, I did have Fedora Core 4 installed on a VMWare virtual drive when I was on XP, but I'm trying to stay away from the windows installation12:15
holycowhttp://www.newsforge.com/articles/05/07/19/1824234.shtml?tid=149  <-- heh, love that article12:16
HappyFoolskyhawker: i didn't mean vmware, but actual dual-booting. anyway, if you're happy with 32-bit linux, go for it. i'd first check that whether your apps work with wine or not12:16
thoreauputic!rootsudo12:16
ubotumethinks rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo12:16
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skyhawkerHappyFool, if I could find a copy of VMWare for Linux, um.. floating around...anywhere I'd use that (I knew what you meant, I preferred the VMWare to the dual-boot)(12:17
HappyFoolv1ru5: yeah, you can do 'su -c aptitude' to, but ubuntu gnome admin apps (and most people here) will assume you have sudo setup12:17
HappyFoolskyhawker: never used vmware, sorry12:17
darkmatterholycow: hahahaha12:18
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skyhawkerHappyFool, I think the 64-bit-ness of it make very little difference to me anyway :) I just installed it cos I could!12:18
v1ru5umm12:18
v1ru5i changed to root, ran the aptitude..12:18
medrakilis there any way to find out what's keeping my cdrom from ejecting?12:18
Samuargoogle for an old trial of vmware on someones anon ftp and you will find one. i sent an email to vmware noticing one once, and they just told me it was perfectly legal - even tho the keygen was sitting next to it. so with their blessing, i used it...12:18
holycowdarkmatter, :)12:18
HappyFoolskyhawker: heh. ok12:18
rem_Hey just a simple question how do you open a tgz.gpg file ?12:18
skyhawkerHappyFool, ok so I'll go and format :( godamn I do that too much..12:18
thoreauputicmedrakil: try sudo eject /dev/cdrom12:19
HappyFoolmedrakil: maybe 'lsof /dev/cdrom' ?12:19
medrakilthoreauputic: tried that12:19
skyhawkerHappyFool, oh, and thanks for the help. much appreciated12:19
rem_umount /dev/cdrom12:19
HappyFoolskyhawker: cool. good luck12:19
thoreauputicmedrakil: what's the error message?12:19
rem_?12:19
medrakilHappyFool: didn't return anything12:20
medrakilthoreauputic: i did a lazy umount first and now it worked12:20
medrakilbut why doesn't linux just eject when you press the button, ike windows does?12:21
medrakil*like12:21
heatxsinkmedrakil, it does12:21
medrakilno it doesn't12:21
heatxsinkmedrakil, do you have an unsupported device?12:21
medrakilno12:22
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heatxsinkI don't get it12:22
heatxsinkmy ubuntu ejects just like windows12:22
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thoreauputicmedrakil: if the device is busy it won't eject12:22
Samuarmine ejects more like mac os12:22
medrakilwell i've had problems w/ this at several computers.. :/ some w/ ubuntu, but also ohers12:22
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medrakilSamuar: you have to throw it in the trash can for it to eject? :)12:23
heatxsinkjust right click unmount if you're in Gnome12:23
HappyFoolmine doesn't eject if it's mounted, even if it's not really 'busy'12:23
heatxsinkHappyFool, do you have a window open that is using the volume?12:23
HappyFoolmedrakil: there's been at least 1 flamewar regarding this here ;)12:23
HappyFoolheatxsink: i'm not sure. there's a little speaker icon next to my clock12:24
medrakilHappyFool: and why is that? obviously when i press the button i want the damn cd out - if it's mounted, obviously i'd want it unmounted and out..12:24
heatxsinkHappyFool, volume = mounted drive12:24
HappyFoolheatxsink: oh, sorry, not audio volume. not, nothing viewing the cd12:24
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heatxsinknot even a terminal?12:25
HappyFoolmedrakil: file a bug/feature request12:25
HappyFoolheatxsink: nope12:25
heatxsinkthat's odd12:25
HappyFoolheatxsink: this is pushing the hardware eject button12:25
HappyFoolheatxsink: not 'unmounting' in gnome -- that works fine12:25
heatxsinkahh12:25
heatxsinki get you12:25
HappyFoolor ejecting, or whatever12:25
heatxsinkI have on idea12:25
heatxsinkno*12:25
heatxsinkwell good luck!12:25
sylvanHi all. How come I can only read my mounted windows partition using "sudo".. It says that the owner is "root" and chmod'ing it doesn't work...12:25
darkmatterHappyFool: same here12:25
HappyFooli'm not complaining ;) this is just the way linux (or ubuntu) currently works12:26
medrakilsylvan: specify another owner in fstab12:26
medrakilsylvan: can't remeber how you do that thoufg12:26
sylvanhow? /dev/sdb5/mnt/winxp_scratchntfsrw,auto,user 0 012:26
medrakil*though12:26
HappyFoolsylvan: add a umask=000 option12:26
sylvanok, will try12:26
HappyFoolsylvan: so 'rw,auto,umask=000'12:26
SeveasHappyFool, ro12:26
darkmatterI'm not complaining either. Maybe I'm just weird, but I actually like it that way:D12:27
HappyFoolon ntfs?12:27
Seveasntfs writing is not possible :)12:27
HappyFoolis ro anyway *shrug*12:27
HappyFooloh12:27
HappyFoolright, sorry12:27
Seveasyeah :)12:27
HappyFoolmore thinking, less typing12:27
Seveasno matter what you do, write bits won't be set :)12:27
sylvanwhat does "user 0 0" do?12:27
HappyFooli think 'user' means any normal user can mount the device12:28
nikkiasylvan: user says anyone can mount/unmount it, and the 0 0 are the fsck sequencing, since ntfs isn't fsck'ed, its 0 012:28
sylvanhmm..  well that's strange since that's precisely what doesn't happen =) I can not reach it as "sylvan" but I can reach if I sudo12:28
Seveassylvan, it talks about *mounting* not about reading from it...12:28
HappyFoolsylvan: but it's mounted for you on boot, by root12:28
Seveasauto,ro,umask=0000 will make it readable by anyone12:29
sylvanah.. so umask=000 sets read permissions?12:29
sylvanokay, thanks!12:29
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Seveasauto,ro,user,umask=0000 will make it appear on the places menu12:29
thoreauputicsylvan: I have set /dev/hda1       /windows        ntfs    noauto,ro,users,umask=022 0 012:29
sylvanone more question, uid=1000 and gid=1000 appears on another mounted disk, what does that mean?12:29
thoreauputicFWIW12:29
sylvan022?12:30
Seveassylvan, that means that uid 1000 will be listed as owner12:30
sylvanmeanin?12:30
thoreauputicsylvan: because it's read-only12:30
Seveasand 022 is effectively the same as 000 on ntfs12:30
sylvanok12:30
HappyFooluid 1000 (user id 1000) is probably you12:30
thoreauputicSeveas: true12:30
sylvanokay.. I'll try this and see if it works.. thanks!12:30
HappyFoolbtw, i upgraded firefox to the latest, and it's fine; i only have the adblock extension12:32
sylvanit says that "line 10 in fstab is bad" /dev/sda1/mnt/winxp_systemntfsro,auto,user 0 0,umask=00012:32
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vladuz976hi anybody, would one install cpanel as root user or regular user on their server?12:32
HappyFoolthe umask=000 needs to come after user, and before the 0   012:32
thoreauputicsylvan: wrong order12:32
sylvanah..12:33
sylvanlooks like its working! thanks!12:33
nikkiavladuz976: if one knew what they were doing, they'd have a seperate user for their web stuff, and install it as that :P12:34
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thoreauputicnikkia: OTOH, if one knew what they were doing, they wouldn't need to ask ;)12:35
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nikkiathoreauputic: true12:35
vladuz976nikkia: yeah that is what i was guessing. my friend installed as root so now needs root access all the time12:35
linuxboyhow do I get DivX working in ubuntu?12:35
millennuimdarkquit12:35
sylvanokay, another quick question. In Mplayer (just using applications->sound &video -> mplayer), how can I watch something fullscreen? If I right click and select fullscreen mplaye does cover the screen, but the video is still the same size with black borders around12:36
coobragoogle : ubuntu divx :/12:36
bob2linuxboy: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats12:36
bob2I'm pretty sure the FAQ links to that12:36
pvanhoofthe mkfontdir bin isn't being found while upgrading from hoary to breezy12:36
nikkiasylvan: that sounds like mplayer is using the X11 driver, change mplayer to use 'xv' as the output method12:36
thoreauputicsylvan: you need the "zoom" option in the config file12:36
pvanhoofthe package management systems complains about it not being foun12:36
pvanhoofd12:36
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sylvanwhere's the config file?12:37
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bob2pvanhoof: yes, breezy is not ready for normal users yet12:37
thoreauputicsylvan: /etc/mplayer I assume12:37
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bob2one of the problem is that X pretty broken12:37
vladuz976nikkia: do you think other than fucking stuff up yourself, having cpanel in root carries other dangerous?12:38
pvanhoofbob2, will it work?12:38
vladuz976nikkia: *dangers12:38
bob2pvanhoof: no12:38
thoreauputicsylvan: mplayer.conf in /etc/mplayer12:38
nikkiavladuz976: yes12:38
Seveasbob2, do you perhaps know how I can read filesystem labels..?12:38
vladuz976nikkia: like?12:38
bob2pvanhoof: read the topic, for instance12:38
pvanhoofbob2, can one get it to work?12:38
bob2Seveas: tune2fs12:38
nikkiavladuz976: cpanel has modules for accessing files, letting root do that is really bad12:38
bob2pvanhoof: are you an ubuntu or debian developer?12:38
Seveasbob2, that's to set it12:38
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vladuz976nikkia: why exactly? what is the danger there?12:39
Seveasbob2, and I need something that works for non-e2 too :)12:39
linuxboybob2: how do I play DivX files without Mplayer ?12:39
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nikkiavladuz976: that said, if apache uses chroot (i don't think it does...) then the damage would be limited to www-root....12:39
sylvanso should I still have x11 as video driver?12:39
AlexBOcan you advice me a program to change the wallpaper at regular intervals?12:39
pvanhoofbob2, assuming I am a highly experienced developer, can I get it to work after some specific tweaks? or is it totally broken (as in: reinstalling everything would take less time)12:39
nnach1linuxboy: you should install the codes12:39
nikkiavladuz976: because there are potential exploits that could do bad things by giving public root access to the filesystem, even if it is 'abstracted' as just files below www-root12:39
bob2pvanhoof: if you're a highly experienced ubuntu or debian developer, you can get it working, yes12:40
thoreauputicsylvan: dunno - I just set "zoom" and it worked - YMMV12:40
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bob2pvanhoof: that you're asking indicates that reinstalling would be easier12:40
sylvanok12:40
bob2linuxboy: use xine or vlc if you have some religious aversion to mplayer12:40
bob2Seveas: dunno then12:40
pvanhoofbob2, what has to be done to get it working (in case I'm highly experienced)12:40
Seveasbob2, k, thanks anyway :)12:40
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iZoomhallo12:40
bob2pvanhoof: reading the various bug reports and ubuntu-devel archives12:40
nikkiavladuz976: for example, say i use ftp to create a symlink from ~/public_html/passwd to /etc/shadow   normally, while that would 'work', i wouldn't be able to read the file, but if i then use cpanel to access the filesystem, i could potentially view /etc/shadow12:41
vladuz976nikkia: probably big hassle to change everything since, it's set up already for a while12:41
bob2clearly you're not, tho, so it's kinda moot12:41
iZoomwarum geht mein modem nicht mit ubunto?12:41
SeveasiZoom, #ubuntu-de fuer deutschsprachige hilfe..12:41
pvanhoofbob2, clearly I've probably been developing/contributing on most of the applications that you're working with atm.12:41
pvanhoofhowever, whether or not I'm experienced doesn't really matter12:41
pvanhoofright?12:41
pvanhoofwhich bugs are the most important ones?12:42
bob2I'm not trying to be an ass, sorry12:42
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bob2but breezy is really quite fucked12:42
nikkiavladuz976: worse, because apache/cpanel is running as root, i could perhaps even overwrite /etc/shadow with my own contents, and thus gain complete access to the system :)12:42
bob2daniel basically told everyone to leave him alone until next week when he can fix it12:42
Seveaswithout X, breezy is reasonably fine :)12:42
Seveasnikkia, apache running as root..?12:42
bob2pvanhoof: I don't know the specific bug #s, sorry12:42
Seveasthat's stupid...12:42
pvanhoofok np12:43
nikkiaSeveas: that's what vladuz976 said it is configured as12:43
vladuz976nikkia: that doesn't sound very good12:43
pvanhoofI'll mainly search for bugs related to X12:43
cyphaseanyone having problems with DNS?12:43
vladuz976Seveas: yes12:43
Seveasapache running as root is a major security error12:43
nikkiaSeveas: i can't remember if apache chroot's tho, i don't think it does...12:43
Seveascyphase, only in firfox :)12:43
bob2apche doesn't chroot12:43
cyphaseyea..12:43
Seveascyphase: Open firefox and go to about:config. Now search for network.dns.disableIPV6 and set that value to true. Restart Firefox to see the effect.12:44
cyphaseit's not just firefox12:44
cyphasewget isn't working either12:44
nikkiabob, didn't think so, it'd make handling ~/public_html very difficult unless you start a new thread/process for each URL and chroot after determining where to chroot to12:44
Seveascyphase, disable ipv6 completely then, that might help12:44
bob2pvanhoof: #ubuntu-devel might be a better place to ask, but I don't htink anyone in the know is around atm12:45
cyphaseSeveas, it was working a minute ago..12:45
bob2nikkia: hah, yeah12:45
pvanhoofok12:45
Seveascyphase, ah ok12:45
Seveasthen your dns server may simply be b0rking a bit12:45
thoreauputiccyphase: maybe look for a public dns server and change /etc/resolv.conf ?12:46
Seveascyphase, try: dig @82.148.208.131 freenode.net12:46
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Seveascyphase, if that works, your normal dns server is having a hickup12:47
nikkiathoreauputic: i've found that on some ISPs, you're simply better setting up a caching DNS locally that goes straight to the root servers12:47
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thoreauputicnikkia: sounds reasonable12:47
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cyphaseSeveas, not working12:48
cyphase...12:48
Seveascyphase, then your problem is not dns12:48
Seveasyour connection is flaky...12:48
cyphasehmm..12:48
Seveasare you on irc from the same machine?12:48
cyphaseyea12:48
Seveasodd :)12:48
cyphasevery12:48
cyphaseand it's not just firefox12:49
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Seveascyphase: ping 194.145.194.14112:49
vladuz976hey one of you long time linux users, what were you using before ubuntu?12:49
thoreauputicvladuz976: Debian12:49
bob2debian12:49
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Seveasvladuz976, solaris/debian/red hat/gentoo/windows12:49
vladuz976why the change?12:50
SeveasUbuntu is simply the best :)12:50
cyphaseah12:50
nikkiavladuz976: in order of most recent to oldest, knoppix, debian, slackware, yellowdog, suse, slackware, redhat, slackware, slakware, yggdrasil, mcc12:50
cyphasei can't even use my router's DNS12:50
darkmattervladuz976: Debian12:50
Seveasand I still use red hat/solaris/windows at work12:50
cyphasefor the network12:50
thoreauputicvladuz976: Ubuntu is less hassle ;)12:50
pvanhoofin what package can mkfontdir be found (on breezy?)12:50
vladuz976Seveas: where do you work, that they give you all that12:50
bob2I still use both12:50
bob2pvanhoof: it may not be in any package yet12:51
Seveaspvanhoof, xutils12:51
Seveasvladuz976, University of Amsterdam12:51
thoreauputicnikkia: yggdrasil eh? A real veteran ;-)12:51
nikkiathoreauputic: the mcc is the real veteran one :P12:51
Seveasvladuz976, but I try to stay clear of all these OS'es and am installing Ubuntu wherever I can :)12:51
thoreauputicnikkia: :)12:51
vladuz976thoreauputic: yeah, see i am thinking since ubuntu is less hassle that will keep me from learning some basic stuff12:51
nikkiathoreauputic: that was when it was linux 0.12 and on 2 floppies, no X yet :P12:51
thoreauputicvladuz976: not really - Ubuntu is mostly like Debian12:52
nikkiaerm, 0.13 rather12:52
Seveasvladuz976, www.tldp.org -> enough learning material :)12:52
cyphasehuh12:53
cyphaseit's working now12:53
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cyphaseveeeeeeery strange12:53
cyphaseand my brother's computer was working fine12:53
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Seveascyphase, just a hickup :)12:54
vladuz976bob2: what makes you use both? do you dual boot them or is that like at home and at work?12:54
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phohi12:54
darkmatterpho, hi12:54
bob2vladuz976: ubuntu doesn't run on as many architectures as debian12:54
bob2and I maintain packages for debian12:54
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vladuz976bob2: sounds like debian is the one for you then12:55
phoi managed to auto mount a fat32 partition... howto set it that i can write files to it?12:55
bob2both is a good combination12:55
thoreauputicvladuz976: heh - bob2 is kind of involved with Ubuntu as well ;)12:55
vladuz976thoreauputic: bob2 oh really? how12:55
thoreauputicvladuz976: ask him12:56
vladuz976bob2: how12:56
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Seveaspho, add umask=0111 to the options in the fstab line12:57
phook ... thx12:57
phoinstead of uid?12:57
Seveasyou can use both12:58
SeveasI have rw,user,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0111,dmask=000012:58
vladuz976thoreauputic: he doesn't answer :(12:58
darkmatterpho, also make sure you have it set to rw instead of ro12:58
Seveaspho, that enables wveryonw to write to it12:58
thoreauputicvladuz976: maybe he prefers not to :)12:58
vladuz976thoreauputic: possible12:59
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phodarkmatter, there is no ro....12:59
thoreauputicvladuz976: looks like you'll have to take my word for it then ;-)01:00
vladuz976thoreauputic: ok, i will01:00
darkmatterpho, then it's already rw.01:00
phook... ill try it now :)01:01
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thoreauputicvladuz976: I suggest a /whois bob2 will tell you01:01
hondjeoye01:02
vladuz976didn't01:02
hondjethis quasi-divorce is sure taking all my #ubuntu helping time01:03
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vladuz976hey to they guys that explained the root and cpanel stuff would you please take a quick look at this http://rafb.net/paste/results/p5gHuI39.html01:03
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pvanhoofbob201:03
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pvanhoofyou said I had to be highly experienced to get breezy' s X11 working01:04
pvanhoofyou' ve been wrong01:04
pvanhoof:)01:04
vladuz976thoreauputic: the whois didn't return anything?01:04
thoreauputicvladuz976: it did here01:04
thoreauputicvladuz976: a lot in fact01:04
vladuz976thoreauputic: shoot something wrong then here01:05
pvanhoofI do agree there' s some package issues. mkfontdir isn' t in a package01:05
thoreauputicvladuz976: nah, he's away now01:05
pvanhoofgoing to reboot to test the new kernel (in a few minutes, first making sure everything is set correctly)01:05
Seveasvladuz976, a control panel should not be integrated into apache but be its own web server...01:05
vladuz976Seveas: so as long as not integrated into apache its ok?01:06
darkmatterpvanhoof, how'd you fix X? II've been having a heck of a time getting it going in breezy.01:06
Seveasvladuz976, well, I still don't like these kind off applications, they are major security risks....01:07
Seveasserver admins should be able to edit config files :)01:07
pvanhoofdarkmatter, you basically need to get a mkfontdir binary installed (in your PATH and in /usr/X11/bin also -- symlink it --), and then dkpg-reconfigure xfonts-base01:07
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darkmatterpvanhoof, thanks:)01:07
vladuz976Seveas: yeah they probably should, but this guy knows less than me about linux and is runnning fedora on his server01:07
thoreauputicvladuz976: just /msg ed you the output01:08
pvanhoofdarkmatter, it basically fails to install mkfontdir .. and some scripts/etcetera's still have it pointed to /usr/X11/..01:08
Seveasdarkmatter, pvanhoof that just fixes it until daniels breaks something else :)01:08
phoit still hasnt the permissions to write, the line looks like that:01:08
pho/dev/hda8       /media/windows_i vfat auto,umask=0111,dmask=0222,fmask=0333 0 001:08
pvanhoofSeveas, yep :). So I'm going to be careful when upgrading01:08
vladuz976thoreauputic: got it thanks01:08
darkmatterpvanhoof, lol01:08
Seveaspho, remove the umask bit, and the dmask bit is faulty01:08
Seveaspho, for an easy solution: remove it completely and download and run http://ubuntu-nl.org/files/winmac-fstab01:09
pvanhoofthey are using the current kernel's version for when upgrading linux-restricted-modules-38601:09
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pvanhoofso while upgrading it'll fail finding 'linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-4-386' (in my case)01:10
pvanhoofguessing it'll succeed after reboot01:10
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Seveaspvanhoof, there is no such thing yet01:10
pvanhoofaha01:10
pvanhoofthen I'm probably lucky I'm not really using any of the restricted modules01:10
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pvanhoofI think I once needed it for my ati card .. but have deactivated the fglrx thing01:11
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pho_seveas  this page isnt available01:11
pvanhoofgoing to try the reboot.. if you guys also fucked up the kernel :), i'll be agry01:11
pvanhoof-- getting myself a bootable cd just in case --01:12
Seveaspho_, sorry, it's winmac_fstab with an _ instead of -01:12
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pho_seveas ok thx01:12
darkmatterpvanhoof, goodluck01:12
pvanhoof:p01:12
Seveaspho_, it only works if you first remove the line completely from /etc/fstab01:12
pho_seveas yes...whats with the mountpoint?01:13
Seveaspho_, it'll be in /media/01:14
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Seveasbut you can change the fstab line once it's generated, just keep the options the way they are01:14
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pvanhoofyou guys didn' t fuckup the kernel, I' m not angry01:15
pvanhoof:)01:15
zukalkis there a command to term a program without killing it, (e.g. so that it can save changes made), like if you pressed Close?01:15
pvanhoofyou guys did fuckup gnome-session related stuff, X11 keyboard related stuff, xfonts-base etcetera ... but thats okay01:16
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pvanhoofthat vanhoofp joining, illustrates how you guys fucked up gnome-session related stuff :)01:17
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Seveaspvanhoof, don't complain. It's all for a good cause (modular Xorg) and all being fixed....01:18
pvanhoofok :)01:19
zukalkSeveas, any help? you're usually the guy who knows it all :P01:19
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Seveaszukalk, depends completely on the program01:19
zukalkSeveas, XMMS01:19
Seveassome programs save nicely on kill, some don't01:19
Seveasxmms will not save anything on kill01:19
pho_Seveas nice prog, but still cant write... its fat32... that shouldnt matter? :/01:19
pvanhoofSeveas, I'm glad this time I got X11 working. Last time I tried breezy (two monts ago) X11 was so messed it wasn' t worth trying to get it fixed01:19
pvanhoofthis time, however, it' s going in the right direction01:20
Seveaspho_, please paste your /etc/fstab and the result of 'mount' with no arguments on the pastebin01:20
Seveaspvanhoof, in a few more weeks it will be working01:20
pvanhoofSeveas, somebody should announce that. Or celebrate it :p01:21
Seveaspvanhoof, we will all celebrate daniels' victory when it is finally working :)01:21
pvanhoof:)\01:21
Seveasit will also be the time for lots of people to switch to Breezy01:21
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pvanhoofthis attempt, I' m convinced he' ll get it done01:22
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pho_Seveas pastebin?01:22
ajmitchSeveas: the leadup to feature freeze might be a little disruptive as well01:22
Seveaspho, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl01:22
Seveasajmitch, I know and I won't be switching to breezy before that. But lots of people are dying to try out Breezy and will do so the moment daniels has succeeded :)01:23
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banskuzSay my nick (testing xchat-tray)01:24
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pvanhoofbanskuz,01:24
thoreauputicbanskuz:01:24
pvanhoof:p01:25
banskuzthx01:25
Seveasbanskuz, this is not a testing channel :)01:25
Seveas(and xchat-tray is nice)01:25
pho_seveas ok... there it is...01:25
ajmitchSeveas: I switched right at the start of the development cycle :)01:25
ajmitchand I've paid for it with breakage, of course01:25
zukalkbut Seveas, isn't there something like, maybe, 'termall xmms' ? :P01:25
Seveaspho_, umount /media/windows_i01:26
Seveaspho_, you can write to /media/hda801:26
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Seveaszukalk, you can do killall xmms or pkill xmms but it won't save settings...01:26
Seveasajmitch, my systems are production systems, no room/time for breakages :)01:27
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anachronismaiee, excuse me, does some know a way to reset the font-configuration to default? I think i really messed up with it, everything suddenly look so grainy01:27
zukalkSeveas, what i'd like to know then is WHAT happens when i click the "close" button in XMMS, and i can't do it myself with a simple command01:27
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zukalkand why* i can't do it myself01:28
Lwolfhi, need help : i'm trying to install totem-xine but it complain about libmodplug0 . Does anybody know about this problem ?01:28
pho_seveas do i need to restart?01:28
Seveaszukalk, what happens is that you send an X message to XMMS which is handled by its main loop. This has no equivalent in a simple shell command because that would simply be impossible01:28
Seveaspho_, np01:28
Seveasno01:28
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SeveasLwolf, please paste the complete error on the pastebin01:29
zukalkSeveas, ohh i see, thanks. damn01:29
Seveaspho_, if you simply type umount /media/windows_i (to clear out the confusion) and try writing to /media/hda801:30
snowman1000hi im doing a dual boot with xp and ubuntu, but when i try to load up windows im getting an error autocheck program not found is anyone familar with that?01:30
Lwolfseveas : libxine1 : depends : libmodplug0 (>= 1:0.7-1) but it is not installable (sorry traducted from french)01:30
zwnji wanna build mozilla-firefox from server.  it's configure checks for gmake that fails on my ubuntu machine.  which package provides gmake?  should i just link make to gmake?01:30
pho_seveas i unmounted hda8 and mounted it again,,, now it works :)01:31
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pho_seveas thanks a lot!01:31
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SeveasLwolf, please paste your complete /etc/apt/sources.list on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl01:31
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skyhawkerHappyFool, I'm back, could you paste your sources.list for me again?01:32
thoreauputiczwnj: do you have the build-esential package installed?01:32
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thoreauputiczwnj: sorry typo - build-essential01:33
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Lwolfseveas : sorry.. just found... main restrited   hoary deb line was missing... <--- sorry for bothering01:33
Seveas:)01:34
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skyhawkeror could somebody paste me the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for universe and multiverse?01:34
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LwolfSeveas, does this line not in default ubuntu install ?01:34
comctrl6hi guys01:34
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SeveasLwolf, depends on what you specified during install :)01:35
snowman1000hey comctrl601:35
SeveasLwolf: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3801:35
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Seveasskyhawker, see my last line to Lwolf :)01:35
suldalNewbie question - After i have updated ubuntu, I'm not able to download anything. Nothing happens01:35
skyhawkerSeveas, thanks, noticed :)01:35
Seveassuldal, you mean in firefox i assume01:35
suldalyes01:35
irchi! XMMS can stream Windows Media Player ASX audio streams, yeah?01:36
Seveassuldal, official and ubuntu ff are broken, you can downgrade01:36
thoreauputic!multimedia01:36
ubotumultimedia is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia01:36
snowman1000anyone ever have a problem dual booting?01:36
thoreauputicirc: see ubotu 's URL above01:36
ircthanks. :)01:37
Seveassuldal, see private chat01:37
ircHm.01:37
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LwolfSeveas, thanx for help01:37
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emacsenWhen I installed Hoary preview on this host, everything worked great. When I installed Hoary 5.04, the X config is too low. I tried dpkg-reconfigure, and no help. Any idea what to do?01:38
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Seveasemacsen: To find out how you can change your display resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto01:39
lordfreakhelloooooo01:39
banskuzhi01:39
lordfreakanyone uses01:39
lordfreakSKYPE?01:39
zukalki used to01:40
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cyphasehow easy is it to play a DVD in ubuntu?01:40
Seveas!dvd01:40
ubotudvd is, like, There are many good free players for linux. Totem is installed in Ubuntu by default add totem-xine and voila! - Mplayer, XINE, VLC (Cross platform) are also very good. gstreamer-totem01:40
zukalklordfreak, back in the winblows days01:40
sataereCan anyone tell me if ubuntu is configured to optimize SATA drives?01:40
Jugani need help01:40
zwnjthoreauputic: i have /usr/bin/make, but mozilla needs /usr/bin/gmake01:40
lordfreakwinblows???01:40
zukalklordfreak, windows01:40
lordfreakjojojojo01:40
lordfreakno... I hate windo$01:40
lordfreak:P01:40
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lordfreakI has been used Slackware always01:41
lordfreakand now I am discovering Debian based distros01:41
banskuzWindblows have one good feature: 1) You can unistall it!01:41
sataereBecause I had some problems when I was running Gentoo, everything would get unbearably slow while it was writing to the hdd, but when I configured it for SATA, it worked perfectly.  I'm having some really bad slowing down now that I'm updating my packages, and it reminds me of the same problem.01:41
zukalklordfreak, i don't like the Skype's version for Linux01:41
thoreauputiczwnj: well, "make" is GNU make (I assume that's gmake) See apt-cache show make01:41
lordfreakNo much01:42
zukalkbanskuz, never knew that :P01:42
Seveaszwnj, have you installed the build-essential package ..?01:42
lordfreakI have installed just now, But the fonts are very huge01:42
lordfreak:s anyone knows why?01:42
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zwnjSeveas: yes01:42
thoreauputicSeveas: as I asked him some time ago...01:42
Seveaszwnj, ok type this: alias gmake=make01:42
Seveasand then retry configure01:42
zwnjthoreauputic: i symlinked gmake to make, but it's not good that GNU Make package doesn't have gmake which many applications' build system depends on01:43
Jugani installed a new version of OpenOffice, and I wanted to delete the old one which was installed with ubuntu...how do i do this?01:43
lordfreakZukalk do you know why my fonts in Linux Version of Skype are so Huge ?01:43
zukalklordfreak, Skype uses QT, maybe that's what causing it01:44
sataereEesh, I used to be able to get answers within seconds on this channel, now it's like I'm invisible.  :(01:44
zukalklordfreak, try the command 'qtconfig'01:44
lordfreakzukalk .... Hummmm 1 second Im trying01:44
Seveaszukalk, lordfreak, that is in the qt3-qtconfig package (FYI)01:44
thoreauputiczwnj: anyone writing for linux who doesn't know that "make" is gmake is ... *cough* in some alternative universe, IMO01:45
zukalkah, thanks for clearing that up, Seveas, i couldn't remember where i got it01:45
zwnjmozilla people doesn't write just for linux01:45
lordfreakzukalk .... qtconfig doesn't runs nothing01:45
zwnjbtw, gmake is available in many systems01:46
zwnjso mozilla needs gmake, not linux01:46
sataereDoes anyone know if I could add SATA support to my hot plugs?01:46
lordfreakseveas thanks01:47
zukalkSeveas, should he install qt3-qtconfig?01:47
thoreauputiczwnj: I think you missed my point - why would you assume gmake is available in linux, when commonly it is invoked with "make" and is *the same thing* ?01:47
Seveaszukalk, well, to run qtconfig that would be neccessary01:47
snowman1000could anyone tell me how to run fdisk?01:47
Seveassnowman1000, run it in a terminal01:48
Seveassnowman1000, what are you trying to accomplish?01:48
zukalkSeveas, no, but what he needs is too make the fonts smaller. is there another way of doing so?01:48
sataereHey Seveas!  Welcome back.01:48
snowman1000trying to make my xp partition unhidden01:48
Seveaszukalk, ENOCLUE, i'm staying as far away from KDE ant Qt as I can :)01:48
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Seveassnowman1000, only grub can hide partitions01:48
zukalkhehe01:49
Seveas(or any other boot loader with that capability)01:49
thoreauputiczwnj: not attacking you - i just think the moz devs need to think a bit more...01:49
Seveasfdisk has not much to do with that01:49
v1ru5hi01:49
zukalklordfreak, if you want, do an apt-get install qt3-qtconfig01:49
v1ru5i got my ubuntu working..01:49
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raven3x7this firefox update has gone real bad01:49
lordfreakyeahhh01:49
v1ru5..ALMOST01:49
sataereSeveas, would you know how to grok some info from my hdd?  I think it's SATA, but detecting as IDE and therefore causing major slowdowns.01:50
lordfreakzukalk Im instaling pakage qt3-qtconfig01:50
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lordfreakzukalk seveas when I am ready will try to configure fonts ;D01:50
Seveassataere, hdparm /dev/yourdrive01:50
vinboyhi01:50
vinboyi need help01:50
sataereSeveas, Thanks :)01:50
snowman1000grub a program or a text file?01:50
sorush20guys how do you install a .tgz file...01:50
vinboyeverytime after I enter path in the console01:50
zwnjthoreauputic: i know :)01:50
vinboyif I close and restart my console... the PATH is gone01:50
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zwnjthoreauputic: but i'm thinking how ubuntu-developers make their mozilla-firefox ;)01:51
v1ru5Seveas: any ideas why my logitech USB mouse doesn't work in ubuntu? and also why doesn't it load the desktop? after i login and give the password all it does is idle with only mouse cursor on the screen..01:51
Seveasvinboy, that is normal01:51
Seveasvinboy, if you want to make it permanent, edit ~/.bashrc01:51
vinboySeveas, what can I do01:51
vinboyok01:51
bogahow do I install a package I have downloaded? When I do the "apt-get install <package-name" routine from the location of the file, apt says it cannot find it. I have also added the /home/boga/downloads path to the sources list.01:51
Jugani installed a new version of OpenOffice, and I wanted to delete the old one which was installed with ubuntu...how do i do this?01:51
sataereSeveas, Okay that gives me back a listing of eight pretty mundane looking variables.  Nothing to do with SATA or IDE.01:52
thoreauputiczwnj: yes, i think they should send a bug report upstream - any linux user knows "make"- but gmake is kind of obscure if you aren't on unix01:52
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sataereSeveas, but I remember hdparm from when I fixed the problem under gentoo.01:52
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Seveassataere, if it's sata it will be /dev/sd* if it's simply IDE/ATA it's /dev/hd*01:52
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snowman1000to run a program is         sh "program name"?01:53
Seveassataere, probably you want to enable dma if it's not on yet01:53
sataereSeveas, yes!  That was the problem, thank you.01:53
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lordfreakSeveas Zukalk Thakyou very much... my fonts now are Nice01:54
lordfreak:****01:54
zukalklordfreak, anytime01:54
sataereSeveas, Hmm...dma is enabled, but it's still giving the massive slow down.  That was the problem under gentoo though, thanks.  :)01:54
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v1ru5any ideas why my logitech USB mouse doesn't work in ubuntu? (i figure logitech USB mouses are pretty popular and should be supported?) .. and also why doesn't it load the desktop properly? i mean, after i login and give the password all it does is idle with only mouse cursor on the screen, and nothing else.01:55
v1ru5doesn't load anything etc01:55
zukalkSeveas, is there something you can apt-get to have those kde GUI theme in qtconfig? i only have them 'cause i once did a apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, which gives a hard time removing..01:56
skyhawkeris there an easy way of finding all my ntfs partitions and mounting them...I forgot to check the changes I made to whatever file it was before I switched to 32-bit01:56
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v1ru5and btw, when my system boots, after the line "starting ubuntu" comes in, there's like 60 sec lag before it really starts to load the system01:56
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thoreauputicskyhawker: type  sudo fdisk -l I guess01:57
Juganhelp me please...i want to install mplayer01:57
sataereSeveas, do you think the slowdown could be an option missing from fstab?01:57
Juganhelp me please...i want to install mplayer01:57
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thoreauputicJugan: look at ubotu 's URL below01:57
thoreauputic!multimedia01:57
ubotu[multimedia]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia01:57
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skyhawkerthoreauputic, can I automatically mount them somehow...maybe with the labels they had in wondows *hope* :)01:58
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thoreauputicJugan: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingMultimediaRepositories  (mplayer is in multiverse)01:59
sataereWould dd if=/dev/hda of=mbr.backup bs=256 count=1 copy my mbr record?01:59
cyphasehas anyone gotten the Philips HDD120 Recording Audio Jukebox to work on ubuntu?01:59
cyphasemy cousin is having problems..01:59
thoreauputicskyhawker: you might need to add them to /etc/fstab01:59
Seveassataere, only if you run it as root :)02:00
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sataereSeveas, of course.02:00
sataereSeveas, :P02:00
thoreauputicSeveas: isn't it bs=512 ?02:00
sataerethoreauputic, is it?02:00
sataerethoreauputic, that was the part I was unsure about.  :(02:00
thoreauputicsataere: I'm not sure, but I think so02:00
Seveasthoreauputic, correct, missed that02:00
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sataereSeveas, thoreauputic alrighty, fixed.02:01
v1ru5i'm getting ignored here :(02:01
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thoreauputicsataere: :)02:01
DerGrafhi all02:01
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skyhawkerthoreauputic, what would I put under <optioins> in the /etc/fstab02:02
Seveasv1ru5, about the not logging in: stop using GUI programs as root and delete ~/.Xauthority and ~/.ICEauthority02:03
skyhawkerthoreauputic, for NTFS parts that is02:03
sataerev1ru5, I had a problem with metacity where it wouldn't load anything right away either.  Problem with a corrupt saved state, I think.  I let it run for about 20 minutes, and eventually it fixed itself, and once it loaded right I just saved that state and it worked fine from there.  :)02:03
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thoreauputicskyhawker: something like   noauto,ro,user,umask=022 0 002:03
skyhawkerthoreauputic, so it can only be read only?02:04
Seveasskyhawker: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically02:04
thoreauputicskyhawker: ntfs is read only , yes02:04
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Seveasskyhawker, and yes, writing to ntfs is not possible. Blame MS for making it proprietary02:04
sataereskyhawker, the option "ro" makes it "Read Only" hence r.o.02:05
sataereskyhawker, I think.  O.o;;02:05
skyhawkerSeveas, lol thanks02:05
skyhawkersataere, true it does02:05
skyhawkerthoreauputic, thanks02:05
thoreauputicskyhawker: no problem02:05
thoreauputic:002:05
thoreauputicoops02:05
thoreauputic:)02:05
sataere:P02:06
sataere;)02:06
Seveaseven is you mount an ntfs drive with rw you cannot write to it :)02:06
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v1ru5Seveas: so those .xauthority and .iceauthority are @ the / ?? e.g. /.iceauthoerity?02:06
cyphasenvm, she didn't notice the removable storage icon on the desktop02:06
cyphase*sigh*02:06
Seveasv1ru5, no in your homedir02:06
v1ru5sataere: ok i'll try running it for a while..02:07
Seveasand it's .Xauthority and .ICEauthority (filenames are case sensitive)02:07
v1ru5Seveas: and i didn't run the GUI as root02:07
sataereSeveas, I thought there were ways to write to it.  In fact at one point I had to help my friend get around NT security by loading a linux on a floppy, and using a program to reset the administrator password.02:07
thoreauputicskyhawker: if you want it to mount on boot substitute auto for noauto02:07
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skyhawkerfair enough...by the way do I have to copy/paste that winmac_fstab file contents, or can I download it somehow. and how do I run it...02:07
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Seveassataere, there is captive ntfs but it's unmaintained and simply not good enough anymore02:08
Juganhelp me please...i want to install mplayer <======= im using WARTY02:08
sataereSeveas, I see.02:08
sataereJugan, don't install the package!!!  Compile your own copy.02:09
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SeveasJugan, there is no mplayer for warty anymore02:09
Seveassataere, nonsense...02:09
thoreauputicskyhawker: it's a script - you need to make it executable or use sh <scriptname>02:09
skyhawkerAlso, what's the best anti-virus around at the moment..02:09
sataereSeveas, nonsense?  Compiling your own copy, you can include all the codecs that ubuntu is uncomfortable with.02:10
Seveasskyhawker, wget http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab && sudo bash winmac_fstab02:10
hondjeskyhawker: You do know that there's no such thing as a linux virus, right? :)02:10
v1ru5?02:10
Jugansataere, ill try, but how about dependencies?02:10
hondjeclam-av seems to be popular these days, though02:10
v1ru5no viruses for linux?02:10
Seveassataere, you don't need to compile it yourself to use codecs...02:10
v1ru5THAT IS SHIT02:10
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skyhawkerthoreauputic, oh ok, but I click the link there, and it shows it to me in firefox...do I copy it into my own file, or is there a download option in firefox that I just haven't looked for yet..02:10
thoreauputicskyhawker: you don't need it unless you are laundering mail for a windows network/nox02:10
v1ru5THERE ARE VIRUSES FOR LINUX02:10
Seveasv1ru5, stop shouting...02:10
v1ru5ok02:10
v1ru5sorry02:10
hondjeWhere?02:10
JuganSeveas, really?  So how do I play mpegs?02:10
thoreauputicskyhawker: it's text - just right click and "save as"02:11
hondjeThere are rootkits, but no viruses02:11
SeveasJugan, you can download codecs from mplayerhq.hu02:11
bob2v1ru5: please name one virus in the wild that has affected users in the past 5 years02:11
sataereSeveas, as far as I know the instructions are to download the million and three codecs before you compile mplayer, so it can link to them.02:11
SeveasJugan, or the w32codecs package from the backports repo02:11
skyhawkerthoreauputic, ok I got ...I feel really stupid now :)02:11
Seveassataere, that is not trye02:11
Seveastrue*02:11
GeoffrianDoes anyone know how to setup Dell printers???02:11
v1ru5bob2: bliss?02:12
sataerebob2, There have been viruses for linux, they just can't do much with the security as it is.02:12
bob2v1ru5: url to media coverage of it affecting users?02:12
skyhawkerand when I run this file, will these mounts be availavble on startup?02:12
sataereSeveas, I may be mistaken.02:12
bob2sataere: I know how viruses and linux work02:12
v1ru5hey, can i give someone a remote access to my box so they could fix it?02:12
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bob2v1ru5: no02:13
v1ru5o_O02:13
bob2do not ask for that in here02:13
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Seveasv1ru5, install openssh-server and give someone an account :)02:13
JuganSeveas but you told me there\'s no mplayer in warty02:13
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thoreauputicv1ru5: you worry about viruses but are willing to give strangers root on your machine??02:13
SeveasJugan, there used to be one when debian sarge was not released.02:13
v1ru5using windows XP now..02:13
bob2giving strangers root access on your machine is highly highly silly02:13
HajuuHey uhm.. I've been trying to follow the ubuntu wiki guide for fixing an ubuntu install after you've installed windows. Anyone familiar with this?02:13
v1ru5coz your crap ubuntu won't work02:13
v1ru5it can't be because of user error02:13
sataerebob2, Sorry, didn't mean to offend.  :(02:14
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lerojhello guys02:14
v1ru5as i've installed it for about 20 times with diff. options02:14
qt2ah, finally bacports got the newest gaim ;)02:14
bob2v1ru5: please stop being silly02:14
Seveasv1ru5, that's because you made an error. The thing that happened to you is not Ubuntus fault...02:14
lerojhow would i remove kubuntu?02:14
Seveasleroj, what do you wnat instead?02:14
v1ru5bob2: sorry, but i am really, really really, REALLY FUCKING PISSED here.02:14
bob2v1ru5: that's awesome, but don't take it out on us02:14
qt2amd the new sun stuff \o/ ;)02:14
leroji installed kubuntu on top of ubuntu02:14
bob2v1ru5: go and have a cup of tea or go for a walk or something02:14
Seveasv1ru5, go and be frustrated somewhere else, this is a help channel and we don't need the noise02:14
qt2ande ven the new k3b \o/02:14
qt2busy day, eh ;)02:14
v1ru5Seveas: all i did was installed it and started my machine. now where did i make the error? on the machine starting part?02:14
leroji don't want it anymore02:15
Seveasleroj, use debfoster to prune kubuntu-desktop02:15
bob2Hajuu: best to just ask about the bit you're having trouble with02:15
thenukeand bliss is from -97 :) I bet that it havent affected anyone in past 5 years02:15
Seveasv1ru5, no during install you must have done something funky...02:15
v1ru5i would just want my linux to work, but the install doesn't work properly, at least on this machine.02:15
v1ru5Seveas: no i didn't.02:15
sataereSeveas, http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML-single/en/MPlayer.html#id2823089 please note under win32, "put the codecs in /usr/local/lib/codecs  BEFORE compiling MPlayer, otherwise no Win32 support will be compiled"02:15
v1ru5and that's what's so bitchy about it02:15
lerojdebfoster?02:15
v1ru5coz i knew i didn't do anything wrong02:15
Seveasv1ru5, then your error report is bullshit, you should have said that during install funky things happened...02:16
v1ru5and it doesn't work02:16
bob2you "knew"? how?02:16
ubuntudiggeri have finaly found a correct driver for my printer, downloaded to my desktop, but when i try to install my new driver in printer driver , it says: can only install ppd files an my driver is not an ppd02:16
bob29/10 times install problems are bad cds02:16
thenukewhoa :D bliss had commandline option --bliss-uninfect-files-please  which worked :D02:16
Seveasleroj, it's a program you run from the terminal. read its manpage for more info (package debfoster)02:16
v1ru5because you can't do much errors in the default install .. or at least i didn't02:16
bob2v1ru5: have you verified the cd yet?02:16
thoreauputicsataere: but there's no need for that since mplayer is available in the multiverse repo and w32codecs from hoary extras02:16
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Seveasv1ru5, you can do a lot wrong in the default install...02:16
v1ru5nah02:16
Seveaslike not verifying the cd...02:17
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bob2v1ru5: then go do that before whinging02:17
bob2usually that's the problem02:17
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v1ru5yeah well, i tried to verify it, but ubuntu doesn't detect the cd's @ cdrom02:17
v1ru5:/02:17
Seveasyou can verify it under windows...02:17
v1ru5can i do it from windoz?02:17
v1ru5how?02:17
Seveasverify the iso before burnign it and the cd after burning it02:17
Seveasv1ru5, download the MD5SUMS from releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ and use an md5sum checker02:18
Seveas(search download.com for one)02:18
sataerethoreauputic, perhaps, but last time I installed it (admittedly a long time ago) it refused to work.  And the point is, the codecs are necessary before compiling to work, contrary to Seveas02:18
Hajuubob2: Well the problem is that when I try to reinstall grub as my boot manager by running grub and typing "root (hd0,2)" then it says something about how it cannot mount the filesystem or something.. And im not sure why. Running grub-install /dev/hda results in more or less the same result.02:18
ubuntudiggerthe drivers named: brscan-0.0.12-0.i386.deb,02:18
lsuactiafnermd5sum -c input_file02:18
lsuactiafner?02:18
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lsuactiafnerheh windows..02:18
lsuactiafnerteh suck02:18
bob2Hajuu: paste the output from grub-install to #flood02:19
Seveassataere, bullshit, codecs are loaded dynamically...02:19
thoreauputicsataere: well, i haven't compiled it - i use the Ubuntu package02:19
lsuactiafnerjust compile the mplayer cvs like i'm doing atm..02:19
Seveasand mplayer on ubuntu is compiled withou having any codecs nearby...02:19
exhuI have trouble setting up the network :(02:20
lsuactiafnergot a script that runs every few hours..02:20
ubuntudiggeri cant get my printer to work, please help me02:20
v1ru5Seveas: umm. i cannot check the iso sum, coz i have it at my place, which is 350km's away from this place.. does it help if i just check the cd's md5?02:20
lsuactiafneri dont have a printer.. that sucks more.02:20
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Seveasv1ru5, sure02:20
thoreauputicsataere: BTW the directory for w32codecs codecs in ubuntu is /usr/lib/win3202:20
HajuuI can't because I'm on windows. I'm using a live cd to work from cause' I am unable to boot to ubuntu (Thats what i'm trying to fix) and I have no internet access from there.02:20
Whistleri have Huge Question.Whats the difference between linux and unix?02:20
lsuactiafnerand that doesnt make sense @ all02:21
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lsuactiafnershoudl be under /usr/local/lib/codecs02:21
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exhuthe ubuntu machine got IP: 192.168.44.2, another (windows) machine got ip: 192.168.44.1.  When I type ping 192.168.44.2 from Windows host, it says 6 packets sent/received ok. But linux host doesn't see this Windows machine's IP. What's the problem?02:21
sataereSeveas, please view comment: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML-single/en/MPlayer.html#id282308902:21
ubuntudiggerhow can i install a new driver in ubuntu02:21
lsuactiafnerwindwos firewall..02:21
SeveasWhistler, unix is an OS created by AT&T and a registered trademark. Linux is a kernel created by Linus Torvalds that aims to be compatible with Unix02:21
bob2ubuntudigger: it's fairly unlikely that you need this02:21
bob2ubuntudigger: you're sure the ubuntu printer driver set doesn't do your printer?02:22
Whistlerthx02:22
lsuactiafnerexhu : disable the windows firewall or put the linux pc on trusted.02:22
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hondjeI'm still confused on that...cups and sane are drivers, usbstore is a module, right?02:22
lsuactiafnerwindows created a broken tcp/ip stack also to be more 'secure' tho bsd and linux implements it and they are secure.02:22
ubuntudiggeryes, i am sure cant find the proper driver in the system02:22
bob2usbstore is a kernel module, I'd guess02:22
exhulsuactiafner, thanks.02:22
bob2which is in some sense a driver02:22
Seveassataere, so funny: why does the ubuntu package works *perfectly* without having ubuntu codecs anywhere near while being compiled....02:22
bob2printers don't need to be handles by the kernel, though02:23
skyhawkerwhy don't most things add themselves to the menus when they are installed...02:23
chrissturmhmm, is it a bug that i can open one file multiple times in gedit? or is that *by design* ?02:23
suldalwhat do I have to do to be able to play dvd's?02:23
suldalThe dvd player plays averything but dvd's02:23
Seveassataere, probably because ubuntu devs are smart enough to edit compile-time flags....02:23
bob2suldal: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats02:23
sataereSeveas, no idea.  O.o  I'm just going on what the site says.02:23
lsuactiafnerskyhawker : because its annoyin as hell to have a clutered menu.02:23
ubuntudiggerare using a brother d printer, called DCP4020C in a local wireless home network02:23
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vinboydoes ubuntu use gnome 2?02:23
hondjevinboy: 2.1002:24
skyhawkerlsuactiafner, I know, but I never know where to look after I install something..02:24
bob2vinboy: 2.10, yes02:24
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vinboythanks02:24
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Seveaschrissturm, by design02:24
ubuntudiggerfound the correct driver for linux at brother.no02:24
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thoreauputicskyhawker:  dpkg -L <packagename> | grep bin02:24
sataereSeveas, probably so.  I was never debating that, just that for compilation one needs the codecs pre-installed, according to mplayer.02:24
v1ru5Seveas: lol02:24
v1ru5sorry bob2 and Seveas, you were right all along02:24
lsuactiafnerskyhawker : open a terminal and type in the name of the program you installed whilest pressing tab after every second letter you type in02:24
v1ru5the md5 is busted02:24
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Seveasv1ru5, before trying to burn it again: check the md5sum of the iso02:25
lsuactiafnerwhere does gnome store menu entries btw?02:25
thoreauputiclsuactiafner: I think my solution is less trouble ;-)02:25
Seveasand burn it at low speed (like 4x)02:25
v1ru5Seveas: so redownload..02:25
v1ru5ok02:25
lsuactiafnerthoreauputic : yeh02:25
GeoffrianCan anyone help me get a Dell printer running in Ubuntu??02:25
Seveaslsuactiafner, slocate .desktop02:25
lsuactiafnermine is easier to remember02:25
lsuactiafnerbbl02:26
chrissturmseveas: is the rationale documented somewhere. looks like an evil bug to me. i can open one file two times, make vchanges to one version, save it, the otther buffer still has the old version.02:26
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ubuntudiggerbut dont know how to install it properly, gets this message, can only install files whith .ppd02:26
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hondjechrissturm: that's a feature02:27
chrissturma feature in the IBM sense of it?02:27
Delgulping 192.168.0.14502:27
Delguloops :-)02:27
chrissturmhondje: its not how anyone would expect a texteditor to act02:28
lsuactiafnerchrissturm : feature since i open a file, edit it, run changes, if broken i revert to my buffered copy02:28
lerojeek my banana02:28
hondjechrissturm: it's just the way unix works, so IBM way is exactly it :)02:28
squareyesevening all,   totem-xine loses sound randomly on all vidoe formats,   sudo killall esd fixes it, any ideas as to why this happens.02:28
Seveaschrissturm, I for one consider it to be a bug, but it is a feature, search domewher on the gedit site...02:28
sataereWow, my first test for mplayer and mplayerplug-in packages: it crashes firefox.02:28
lsuactiafnersquareyes : heard ubuntu had broken ac52 package..02:28
chrissturmhondje: that has nothing to do with how unix works. no text editor works that way02:28
chrissturmseveas: thx02:28
lsuactiafnersquareyes : but i think you should run mplayer instead02:29
lsuactiafnermplayer -ao alsa02:29
thoreauputicsquareyes: because esd is pure evil ;-)02:29
bob2squareyes: configure xine to used esd02:29
lsuactiafnerchrissturm : all text editors work like that in unix02:29
lsuactiafnerchrissturm : and we prefer it like this.02:29
chrissturmlsuactiafner: you = "the unix people"02:29
squareyesthanks lsuactiafner and bob202:29
hondje"the kool-aide drinkers"02:30
chrissturmit still is a bug02:30
chrissturmi dont think kate works that way, i know jedit doesnt do it02:30
bob2I'd be annoyed if I could only open a file once in a text editor02:30
lsuactiafnerchrissturm : not a bug, its a feature.02:30
bob2I edit the same file in multiple emacs buffers all the time02:30
hondjeThen they're using lockfiles or something silly, vi has always done that02:30
bob2nuking changes is pretty dumb, tho, so that's a bug02:30
hondjenot lockfiles, allowd you to open it twice02:30
drummer87but you open one file, edit it then find it in an older state later back in the tabs02:31
ubuntudiggerisnt there anyone that can help me whith my printer problem02:31
drummer87can be quite confusing at times02:31
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lsuactiafnerchrissturm : i sometimes open 1 file in 5 consoles and commit changes in one console while browsin up and down the file lookin @ prior revisions02:31
hondjedrummer87: it can be, I agree02:31
hondjeBut it's not something that anyone is ever going to change02:31
hondjewell, maybe in gedit, but it's an application thing, they're just doing what unix says is okay02:32
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drummer87no, one just has to remember what they're working on better02:32
drummer87and not be so forgettful02:32
lsuactiafneri'd rather nuke changes than nuke my backups02:32
chrissturmhondje: unix has no "opinion" how a text editor should work02:32
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lsuactiafnerjoe does read the last modified time and warns the user that the current file is newer than the buffered file02:33
hondjeOf course it doesn't have an actual opinion, learn colloquial english02:33
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thoreauputicchrissturm: unix people, on the other hand, have *strong* opinions on the subject :D02:34
hondjethe operating system isn't going to say 'dont' do that', it's up to the application, and most people making unix text editors prefer it works normallly02:34
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chrissturmhondje: nedit is around much longer than gedit and it doenst open a file more than once02:34
oliwerhi all02:34
bob2killing changes is dumb02:34
lsuactiafnerbleh use joe screw vi ect02:34
lsuactiafnerbob2 : killin backups is worse02:35
hondje'most'02:35
lsuactiafnerbuffered backups rock.02:35
bob2yes, as is setting pets on fire02:35
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chrissturmthoreauputic: yeah, i figured it out already ;)02:35
oliwerNedit is great :p02:35
bob2chrissturm: you can file a bug on bugzilla.ubuntu.com02:35
bob2I'd sugfgest "enhancement" severity02:35
lsuactiafnerchanges you can redo, backups aint repalable.02:35
nikkiaseveas, actually, these days, unix is a set of specifications for a standard posix based system :)02:35
bob2lsuactiafner: that's why you should use revision control for everything02:35
hondjeI thought unix was a name you get when you pay someone money02:35
hondje:)02:35
nikkiahondje: yeah, AND you meet the set of specifications02:36
ubuntudiggerno one is answering,really need help, if i dont get my printer to work i have to install windows again, and i dont really want that02:36
lsuactiafnerunix dork is the name you get for debating howto commit changes.02:36
bob2ubuntudigger: try asking on the ubuntu-user list, it seems no one here knows the answer to your question02:36
oliwerubuntudigger> what is your printer anyway ?02:37
sorush20is there anything like scan disk available fo ubuntu,02:37
nikkiaubuntudigger, do you have bluez installed?02:37
ubuntudiggerbrother d, dcp-4020c02:37
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bob2sorush20: no need, usually; if there's a problem, fsck will run automatically02:37
bob2unless it's reiser, then you lose02:38
ubuntudiggernikkia: i dont know02:38
hondjeunix permissions are pretty stupid too02:38
bob2hondje: how so?02:38
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Seveasnikkia, POSIX is the set of specifications...02:38
hondjenot much fine tuning02:38
Seveasnikkia, UNIX still is the At&T trademark02:38
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nikkiaseveas, there is a further set of specs that define UNIX compliance02:38
bob2hondje: right, but acls are way more complicated02:38
chrissturmis there a good programmers editor for gnome?02:38
nikkiaseveas, no, 'UNIX' these days has little to do with AT&T, it is a name you can attach to your OS if you meet the UNIXxx specs02:39
hondjeyeah, first time I tried to impliment them I died02:39
Seveasnikkia, there are more specification sets, but none is called UNIX02:39
bob2hondje: unix permissions are very simple to use and manage.  if you do need some thing more complicated, tho, you can use unix acls.02:39
thoreauputicSeveas: afaik UNIX is a trademark of the Open Group02:39
lsuactiafnersorush20 : every 20 reboots fsck/scandisk runs.. but if you kill the power to your pc linux runs a fsck in the background and ou dont notice or wait for it02:39
Seveasthoreauputic, ah true, it's been transferred02:39
lsuactiafnerand DO NOT run fsck on your own02:39
hondjebob2: I know about (and have used) acls, but it seems to me that there 'should' be some sort of medium02:39
bob2chrissturm: most FS programmers I know use vim or emacs02:39
lsuactiafneror you kill your disk easily..02:39
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MonsieurBonhello02:39
nikkiaSeveas: TOG made it so that anyone can apply to call their system 'UNIX'02:39
Seveasand there is the 'Singel Unix Specification' that is sort of an extended posix02:39
bob2and SUS is freely avilable, unlike POSIX02:40
nikkiaSeveas: basically, you need to adhere to to the specifications for the UNX95/2000 whatever specs02:40
sexcopter8000mhi, i'm in windows at the mo. i had an empty ntfs partition, have deleted it and want to make it fat so i can share files between ubuntu and windows, but when i go through the format process, ntfs is the only option. can anyone help?02:40
Seveasnikkia, ah, url to more info please :)02:40
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bob2sexcopter8000m: you might be better off just formatting it from ubuntu then02:40
nikkiaseveas, its on TOG's website somewhere, i forget the URL02:40
chrissturmbob2: i was thinking more in the direction of something like kdevelop02:40
nikkiaseveas, there was talk about IBM paying for linux to be UNIX2000 certified02:40
sorush20guys a number of times I have had to reinstall Ubuntu due to an error that occurs and an scan process starts but terminates and is unable to fix anything... It searches for nodes and it returns that it can not be read and do you want to force overwrite... this goes on for ever... does any one have any suggestions if this happens again...02:40
bob2chrissturm: there's monodevelop, but it's only for C#02:40
bob2eclipse is apparently nice for Java02:40
oliwerubuntudigger> http://www.linuxprinting.org/pipermail/brother-list/2004q4/000839.html02:40
hondjeI like qtdeveloper thingie, a child can make an app with that :)02:41
Seveasbob2, for python too02:41
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sexcopter8000mok, if i boot into ubuntu now, i'll brb and then someone can kindly point me in the right direction :)02:41
lsuactiafnersorush20 : runs ext302:41
lsuactiafnernot ext202:41
Seveashondje, and that's exactly what happend: kiddies writing KDE crap02:41
Seveas:002:41
Seveas;)02:41
bob2sorush20: why are you having so much disk corruption?02:41
MonsieurBonI want to do the following: There are 1295 files in a directory, I'd like to download with wget. Can I use a for-thing to do that? or do I have to download all the files manually? the files are named 1.txt to 1295.txt02:41
lsuactiafnerand learn fsck -a -y /dev/bleh next time youhave an ext2 error02:41
nikkiaseveas, when IBM has finally killed AIX, they will probably want to be able to claim their linux systems as 'UNIX[tm] ' so it would make sense for them to do it02:41
lsuactiafnerMonsieurBon : i'll paste you a line to do that02:41
sorush20bob2 I don't have any when windows is running...02:42
hondjeSeveas: that's a good thing in my book02:42
oliwermonsieurBon ?02:42
hondjemore crap the merrier, people like crap :)02:42
bob2sorush20: are you just turning your computer off without shutting down or something?02:42
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hondjeonce you get a kid writing nonsense like I do with qtdeveloper, they're more likely to stick around making linux apps, that can only be good02:43
nikkiaSeveas: http://www.theopengroup.org/certification/unix-home.html02:43
sorush20no.. its been left on and after a few hours it  seems to happen... and I don't know what has happend... or anything..02:43
sorush20bob2,02:43
nikkiaseveas, basically, you pays yer money, you makes yer OS adhere to the 'single unix specification' and you get to call it UNIX :)02:43
sorush20does any one here have an antivirus running...02:44
Seveasnikkia, I see02:44
bob2you don't need antivirus software on ubuntu02:44
lerojwoo02:44
nikkiaseveas, interestingly, i note there is a 'UNIX03' now02:44
sorush20okay... how about firewall..02:44
thoreauputicnikkia: I expect IBM will wait until the lawyers have wiped the floor with SCO ;)02:44
bob2sorush20: so, what exactly is happening to your system?02:44
bob2sorush20: it just randomly crashes?02:44
nikkiathoreauputic: probably02:44
oliwerguarddog is a nice firewall02:44
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nikkiathoreauputic: it also makes no real sense until they fully drop AIX - they still sell it on a few systems02:45
thoreauputicnikkia: indeed02:45
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hondjeI never knew they were going to drop it :(02:45
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nikkiahondje: they've been saying they're going to drop it for about 5 years now :)02:46
sorush20bob2, yes.. it seems to randomly crash and all I see is the boot loader failing... it seems to be scanning the disk... then it fails and asks me to scan manually with the command fsck, I do this and it finds unreadable nodes and just keeps on prompting me to force overwrite..02:46
hondjeshows how much I pay attention :)02:46
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bob2sorush20: no, back up02:46
bob2sorush20: why is this happening to begin with?02:46
thoreauputichondje: "You don't need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows"02:46
bob2sorush20: it runs fine, and sometimes just spontaneously reboots?02:46
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nikkiahondje: basically, each time they get linux supporting some feature X that their big iron supports, they drop AIX a little more from the product lineup02:46
sexcopter8000mhi again. so, what should i use to partition?02:46
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hondjethat's a shame, AIX is nice02:47
bob2sexcopter8000m: didn't you want to format an existing partition?02:47
hondjeeasy enough that even I can use it02:47
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sorush20bob2, I have never actually been around the computer to see what happens but guessing form the fact that the boot is recuuring I would say yes...02:47
bob2that's screwed up, you need to fix that first02:47
sexcopter8000mwell, it was a logical drive on an extended partition, so i wondered if that restricted it to ntfs, so i deleted it and it made no difference02:48
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ablyssgood day all02:48
bob2sexcopter8000m: er, you've made this a lot more complicated now02:48
sexcopter8000mbasically as it was, i had an 80gig hdd, split in 2. first half was a primary partition with windows on, second was an extended partition with a logical doobery02:48
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sexcopter8000moh =(02:48
sexcopter8000mwell i can go back and make a partition in windows, under ntfs02:49
bob2that might be easier02:49
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bob2tho it's not hard under ubuntu, either02:49
sexcopter8000mis it ok to make it a primary partition?02:49
Nardhow do i join a winxp work group02:49
sexcopter8000mwindows says you can have up to 402:49
bob2that's fine02:49
bob2Nard: what do you want to do in it?02:49
sexcopter8000mok, back soon! :)02:49
SeveasNard, by installing samba...02:49
Nardbob2, i want to transfer files from one to another02:50
Seveasbut you don't need to install samba if you want to access shared folders on a windows system02:50
Nardis there a better way then what i was thinking02:50
bob2then just use nautilus02:50
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Nardbut it won't reconize the other computers02:50
Aladdin--hi guys :)02:50
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dimanybody knows about how I can see a Windows partition with Linux?02:52
Nardbob2, this is what i have set up02:52
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bob2dim: www.ubuntuguide.org02:52
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Nardi have 2 computers on a workgroup02:52
Nardand this third linux box isnt' on it02:53
nikkiaSeveas: harsh ban02:53
dimthanks, bob202:53
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Seveasdim: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically02:53
Aladdin--Could somebody give me the comand line to mount an VFAT volume with read/write permissions to all users .02:53
nikkiaSeveas: a LOT of uk users are on pol.co.uk02:53
SeveasAladdin--, see my last line :)02:53
Seveasnikkia, i'll remove it in 5 minutes :)02:53
hondjea metric lot02:53
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Aladdin--Seveas, thx but I prefer to do it manually for now (running live cd)02:54
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SeveasAladdin--, mount -t vfat /dev/yourdrive /path/to/mountpoint -o user,umask=000002:55
Aladdin--sean13_,  thx alot :o)02:55
Aladdin--oups02:55
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Aladdin--Seveas, thx alot02:55
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Seveasstupid server puts all bans back that I removed the past days...02:56
HWolfSeveas, that looked like you went on a banning spree. :)02:56
SeveasHWolf, unbanning :)02:56
HWolfSeveas: aware of that, but someone had to ban them first. ;)02:57
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SeveasHWolf, those were collected bans from late june - early july02:57
ablyss+b *!*@* << harsh ban :P02:57
Seveascrappy server put them back after I removed them02:57
sexcopter8000mhi there, ok the drive is formatted as a primary partition in ntfs. now in ubuntu can i just reformat it to use fat?02:57
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Seveassexcopter8000m, sure02:58
Seveasmkfs.vfat /dev/your_ntfs_partition02:58
sexcopter8000mok, and what's the command to view the list of partitions?02:58
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Seveassudo fdisk -l02:58
sexcopter8000mi don't want to guess wrong ;)02:58
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sexcopter8000mthough i guess it'll be sda202:59
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ablyssanyone seen the movie "The Island"  i saw it last night02:59
ablysspretty good03:00
peter_anyone here have experience installing mono/xsp/mod_mono etc using atp get?03:00
bob2peter_: best to just ask about the problem you're having03:00
peter_i get the message" Depends: mono-jit (>= 1.1.7) but it is not going to be installed"03:01
dimseveas: i downloaded the script, but how do I run it? (i am learning linux ...)03:01
peter_i thought apt-get would install my dependencies automatically03:01
Seveasdim, sudo bash winmac_fstab (instructions are in the script too)03:01
bob2peter_: it will, if they're available03:01
bob2peter_: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood03:01
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bob2peter_: don't use packages meant for Debian with Ubuntu03:04
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AlexBOHello! I don't know why, but it seems that i lost my login settings's program.How can i reinstall it?03:04
sexcopter8000mok Seveas, it is sda2, so would i do "mkfs.vfat /dev/sda2"?03:05
Seveassexcopter8000m, correct03:05
sexcopter8000mdo i have to sudo that? and just to check, will windows be able to read and write to "vfat"?03:05
Seveassexcopter8000m, yes and yes03:05
sexcopter8000mcool, fingers crossed!03:06
SeveasAlexBO, 'login settings program'?03:06
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AlexBOSeveas: that program where i can set, for example, the image of login03:06
SeveasAlexBO, that would be gdmphotosetup03:06
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Seveassudo gdmsetup sets other tings03:07
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sexcopter8000mhmm, the cursor's just flashing on the following line. should it take long?03:07
sexcopter8000mit doesn't seem to be "accessing" the disk03:08
AlexBOSeveas: I've disinstalled gdm!!!what have i done?!!!03:08
Seveasit takes a while...03:08
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SeveasAlexBO, did you install kubuntu or ubuntu?03:08
TDhow do I get static libraries on ubuntu?03:08
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TDthey don't seem to be in the -dev packages03:08
SeveasTD, be a bit more specific....03:09
AlexBOSeveas: i've ubuntu.i have installed gnome-audio and it have disinstalled my gdm03:09
TDSeveas: I need .a files for gtkmm03:09
SeveasAlexBO, odd...03:09
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TDSeveas: on fedora, static archives are in the -devel packages which is what I need. but not on ubuntu03:09
thelowhello. is there someone i could address a newbie question_03:09
sexcopter8000mok, think it's done. do i check by sudo fdisk -l?03:10
SeveasTD, why would you need static libgtkmm libraries..?03:10
AlexBOSeveas: where can i set the sounds?03:10
sexcopter8000mthat still says ntfs...03:10
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lerojsecopter?03:10
lerojsexcopter03:10
Seveassexcopter8000m, yeah, you shouls change that with sudo fdisk /dev/sda03:10
Seveassexcopter8000m, yeah, you shouls change that with sudo cfdisk /dev/sda03:10
TDSeveas: that's a bit hard to explain right now03:10
Seveasthe c is important03:10
sexcopter8000mleroj hello03:10
TDSeveas: suffice it to say, that they're often useful03:10
SeveasTD, dynamic libraries work just as fine with a good compiler and runtime system03:10
Seveas(such as what Ubuntu has)03:11
TDSeveas: do you know the answer to my question, or not?03:11
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Seveas(unlike incompatibility heaven Crap Hat)03:11
=== TD is quite aware of the pros and cons of dynamic linking thanks
thelowi need to find out how to activate the root account, in order to compile emacs03:11
SeveasTD, i'm searching for it03:11
TDand in this case, i need .a files so it's ubuntu that's being crap03:11
TDthanks03:11
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chibifssudo passwd?03:11
chibifsto thelow*03:12
Seveasthelow, you do NOT need a root account to compile emacs03:12
marcinhi all03:12
Seveasthelow, that is pure nonsense03:12
thelowok. great03:12
marcinI installed mplayer on ubuntu hoary03:12
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chrissturmis there anything i can do to fix breezy X keyboard problems?03:12
mikulhi03:12
marcinand I got a question - how to change font in gmplayer? this default one is too big03:12
chibifschrissturm - What error are you getting?03:12
SeveasTD, libgtkmm-dev has /usr/lib/libgtkmm.a03:13
Seveasand .la and .so03:13
thelowi just got a @no cc in $path when trying to compile it03:13
SeveasTD, libgtkmm2.0-dev too03:13
marcincould someone help me with this? I also got simmilar problem with amule03:13
chrissturmchibifs: i have no national characters and the keyboard properties dialog segfaults03:13
TDhmmm03:13
TDthat's odd03:13
TDi wonder why this guy thinks it doesn't03:13
chibifsHmmmm :/03:13
SeveasTD, apt-file says it does03:14
Seveasapt-file is authoritative on that :)03:14
sexcopter8000mok, i've got a list of filesystem types, can't see vfat though =(03:14
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TDSeveas: what about libgtkmm2.4-dev?03:14
bob2apt-file isn't authorative03:14
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bob2it depends on the Contents files on the mirrors03:14
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bob2which are only regenerated occasionally03:14
NowhereZdoes anybody have ALC 880 sound card working?03:15
Seveasbob2, true, but for Hoary it can be called authoritative03:15
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vader1102bob2: I just ordered the cd for ubuntu web site, about how long for them to be shipped to Canada?03:15
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SeveasTD, no such package03:15
bob2vader1102: give it a few weeks03:15
TDSeveas: hmm, really03:16
bob2it varies a lot03:16
vader1102k...thanx03:16
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SeveasTD, ah, my mistake03:16
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TDSeveas: there should be one .... gtkm2.4 isn't compatible with gtkmm2.003:17
Seveasit's lingtkmm-2.4-dev :)03:17
Seveaslib*03:17
TDright03:17
TDdoes that have .a files in it?03:17
Seveaslooking....03:17
vader1102bob2: found out why you said it appears my kernel was quite old...it is lol hense the reason for ordering the new one03:17
SeveasTD, just .la and .so03:17
TDSeveas: why would the different versions of gtkmm be different like that?03:17
SeveasTD, ENOIDEA03:18
Seveasread the cahngelogs ;)03:18
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sexcopter8000mSeveas, sorry to keep pestering, but what do i want for vfat here? http://users.fission.org.uk/~sexcopter/filesystemtypes.png03:19
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TDSeveas: can i read them on the web anywhere?03:19
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SeveasTD, yes03:19
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Seveassexcopter8000m, 0C03:19
dimseveas: any way I can WRITE smething to the mounted disk? I can now read my Windows partition, but can't write anything on it03:19
bob2you can't write to NTFS03:20
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dimok, thanks03:20
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sexcopter8000mThanks Seveas! Last thing, in fstab, will i put the type as vfat? or fat32?03:24
bob2vfat03:24
sexcopter8000mok, cheers03:24
Crembohey all! I've just downloaded and burned the Ubuntu combo installer+live+large fries DVD. after booting with it, how do I select which route to take? (currently, I'm a windows user with zero linux knowledge).03:24
TDSeveas: where?03:25
SeveasCrembo, when you boot from it, you select install-or-live03:25
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pcharkyCrembo: which route?03:25
sexcopter8000mi've only changed the ntfs to vfat in the line - now reads "/dev/sda2       /media/D        vfat    umask=0222      0       0". Ok?03:25
CremboLive CD.03:25
Seveassexcopter8000m, ok03:25
sexcopter8000mcool :)03:25
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SeveasTD, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/03:25
sexcopter8000mother people who know me know i'm often paranoid ;)03:25
CremboI've been searching around the forums and documentation to figure out the exact series of steps I need to take in order to dual-boot with my XP. unfortunately, all I've come across so far was jumbled, not quite clear and/or conflicting.03:26
TDta03:26
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LuNaTiK^GuYany1 ever used kdevelop?03:26
Cremboat least they were all reassuringly titled "I tried this and it works perfectly!"03:26
sexcopter8000mok, there may be slicker ways, but i'm going to reboot to see if it mounts ok, brb03:26
bob2Crembo: install ubuntu.  enjoy automatically setup dual-boot-ability.03:26
pcharkyCrembo: Do you mean how you can boot the livecd?03:26
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pcharkyCrembo: Sorry, never mind.03:27
Crembopcharky: yes. bob2: are you quite certain? I have a fairly unique setup in that there are already two partitions standing ready on my primary slave. I'm not even sure if they're primary or logical ones.03:27
bob2the primary slave has nothing to do with it03:28
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TDSeveas: they seem incomplete. i can't find libgtkmm-2.4-dev on there03:28
TDhttp://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/libg/03:28
TDin fact even libgtk is missing03:28
Crembothe thing that made me uneasy was reading - repeatedly - that installing a linux bootloader where it belongs (the MBR) will royally bad_word my windows install.03:28
bob2presumably they're in g/gtk/03:28
bob2or g/gtk2.0/ or something03:28
TDoh, i see03:28
TDyeah03:28
TDnot named consistently03:28
bob2Crembo: it will absolutely nuke the windows boot loaders and replace it with grub03:28
bob2grub will be setup with options to boot windows or ubuntu03:28
pcharkyCrembo: You can boot windows from grub.03:29
Crembohoary does all that automatically during install?03:29
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bob2yes03:29
pcharkyCrembo: Yup.03:29
SeveasTD, they are named after their source packages of course....03:29
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CremboI got the impression from the forums and wiki you had to do a complex series of steps to get it to work.03:29
bob2no03:29
bob2the forums people sometimes seem to enjoy making things ridiculously complicated03:29
bob2if grub doesn't come up with options for windows and ubuntu, you've found a bug03:29
pcharkyCrembo: SO you want to install ubuntu.. right?03:30
Cremboas a matter of fact, this is the page that got me started on my journey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//WindowsDualBootHowTo03:30
pcharkyCrembo: Because you started out asking a question about the livecd.03:31
Crembopcharky: trying to learn linux, as part of the "onoes Longhorn DRM MS sucks better bail" bandwagon. not noble, but hey, it's something to tinker with in my free time.03:31
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CremboI was going to mess around with the live CD version first, to get a hang for it. then once I feel comfortable I could put it on my drive and test UT2k4 on it.03:31
bob2that "howto" is silly, unless you're unlucky and hit a bug03:31
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pcharkyCrembo: It doesn't get much nobler than linux...03:31
sexcopter8000mok it works fine, just i don't have writing permissions (unless i sudo in console, i guess). How can i change this when i boot up?03:32
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Crembopcharky: the nobility inferred is that of the reason for switching. I actually like microsoft. their commitment to hebrew can't be beat.03:32
Belutzhai all....03:32
Belutzwhy there is no php5 package in synaptic?03:32
SeveasCrembo, dual boot with windows requires no special steps at all, it will be taken care off automatically03:32
Dr_MelectausIs the help site with info on how to run games on ubuntu ubuntuguide.org03:33
Crembothat is exactly what I wanted to hear. time to dive in head first.03:33
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SeveasBelutz, because hoary was released before there were php5 packages03:33
BelutzSeveas: ic... so why there's no update?03:33
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pcharkyCrembo: you could sign up as a translator ;-)03:33
SeveasBelutz, add tis to sources.list: deb http://people.debian.org/~dexter php503:33
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Crembopcharky: I'm not sure I'd have the time. being in the army, I don't see home very often :/03:34
SeveasBelutz, add tis to sources.list: deb http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5 hoary03:34
BelutzSeveas: is it stable ?03:34
bob2oh, awesome, whoever edited that page left edit conflicts in there03:34
SeveasBelutz, it's what everybody uses for php5 :)03:34
Dr_MelectausIs the help site with info on how to run games on ubuntu ubuntuguide.org03:34
BelutzSeveas: ok, thx a lot... :)03:34
SeveasDr_Melectaus, please don't repeat...03:34
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Belutzbtw, is there already an update for Firefox and Thunderbird?03:35
bob2yes03:35
Seveasand ubuntuguide may have some gaming info, you can also search at wiki.ubuntu.com03:35
bob2but it was buggy03:35
bob2the unscrewed fix should be there soon03:35
bob2= days03:35
konradDr_Melectaus: on Ubuntu forums is sticked theard03:35
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SeveasBelutz, the correct version is due monday03:35
BelutzSeveas: hoorayyyy :D03:35
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Dr_Melectausthanks konrad and Seveas03:36
SeveasBelutz, the second-to-last (aka still correct) debs can be found on seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/deb/ :)03:36
acid2Where can I find how to install Ati Dirvers in the wiki?03:36
acid2.ati03:36
acid2,ati03:36
acid2hmmm :P03:36
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bob2acid2: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto03:36
Dr_Melectausacid, i think that ati drivers are allready supported03:36
acid2Thanks03:36
bob2which should be linked from the faq03:36
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pcharkyGot a little question here, I can't make more than 1 app play music with alsa (without esd). Can anybody help me?03:36
Dr_Melectauswhat kind of card do you have acid?03:36
Belutzhoorayyyy alonso wins again!!!!03:36
Seveaspcharky, that's exactly what esd is for....03:36
bob2pcharky: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin03:37
konradpcharky: use dmix, esd, artsd etc suck03:37
ed1ti have a fa32 paritititon mounted, but when i tried to copy folders in that drive, it said 'ommiting: directory_name'03:37
Seveased1t, cp -r03:37
ed1tooo03:37
ed1tthx03:37
pcharkySeveas: I know, but it should be possible with alsa as well, and if i run esd it can't run ut with sound. (I like my own music on the background).03:37
AlexBOhello!when i login with gdm, i can see a little image with the text "Ubuntu" and there appear icons like nautilus, etc. then the sistem opens. can i change that image?03:38
Seveaspcharky, bob2 and konrad gave you the answer to that :)03:38
SeveasAlexBO: To change the Ubuntu splash screen, open the gconf-editor and change the key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash-image03:38
pcharkyOh, sorry! ;-)03:38
acid2Dr_Melectaus, radeon 980003:39
konradpcharky: some games need MMAP support03:39
acid2hardware accel is not enabled by default03:39
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konradtype:        echo "ut.x86 0 0 direct" >> /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss03:39
konrad        echo "ut.x86 0 0 disable" >> /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c/oss03:39
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BelutzSeveas: do you work for ubuntu? :)03:40
konradof course replace ut.x86 with correct process name03:40
SeveasBelutz, no03:40
AlexBOSeveas: where can i find it on the web? can i put it any image? or it have to be as small as the original?03:40
konradpcharky: but UT should work with alsa corectly (for example quacke, enemy territorry don't)03:40
pcharkykonrad: Thanx, I'll go and follow the howto.03:40
konradpcharky: NP03:41
BelutzSeveas: ic... but i guess you're one of the developer :D03:41
peter_thanks for the help before bob203:41
konradAlexBO: gnome-look.org03:41
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Lonixhi all03:41
AlexBOkonrad: i've just been in it.thanks03:41
konradAlexBO: :)03:42
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phixioncan anyone tell me where I should put metacity files?03:42
Dr_Melectausis Cedega free to download?03:42
hondjeDr_Melectaus: No, but there is a free cvs version that sometimes work03:42
SeveasDr_Melectaus, the cvs version is03:42
Lonixwaht about winmodem in ubuntu  ?03:43
Lonixwhat about winmodem in ubuntu  ?03:43
Lonixit's work fine ?03:43
phixionSeveas, do you know where I should put theme files?03:43
Dr_Melectauscvs version? whats the difference03:43
Lonix?03:43
LuNaTiK^GuY"configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH" wot does this mean?03:44
Dr_Melectausand would you happen to know where i can get the cvs version03:44
AlexBOkonrad: and what abou the sounds? in that site there are a dozen, but they aren't so nice...03:44
Seveasphixion, http://art.gnome.org/faq.php03:44
bob2Lonix: depends03:44
SeveasLuNaTiK^GuY, install the build-essential package03:44
bob2Lonix: usually it's easier to get a proper modem, but some winmodems will work with some fiddling03:44
phixionta :)03:44
Dr_MelectausSeveas, any idea where i could get the CVS version03:45
SeveasDr_Melectaus, the forum has links to it03:45
Dr_Melectausok, thanks seceas03:45
Lonix?03:45
Lonixwhat about winmodem in ubuntu  ?03:46
Dr_MelectausSeveas, *03:46
LuNaTiK^GuYSeveas: thanks :)03:46
wm_eddieLonix: If you have a conexant modem and $15 the Linuxant driver works great.03:46
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Lonixthanks all03:47
BelutzSeveas: i've installed php5 and uninstalled php4, why in my phpinfo() still recognize it as php4 ?03:47
Lonixbye03:47
LuNaTiK^GuY"checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!" wot do i do now?03:47
SeveasBelutz, ENOCLUE, never used php503:47
SeveasLuNaTiK^GuY, what are you compiling..?03:47
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LuNaTiK^GuYa kde applet03:47
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BelutzSeveas: ic... thx anyway :)03:48
apokryphosLuNaTiK^GuY: libx11-dev03:48
LuNaTiK^GuYhttp://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=1084103:48
LuNaTiK^GuY10ks apokryphos03:48
SeveasLuNaTiK^GuY, install kde-dev oslt03:48
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SeveasLuNaTiK^GuY, kde-devel03:48
apokryphosLuNaTiK^GuY: what's oslt?03:49
apokryphoswhoops03:49
apokryphosSeveas: what's oslt?03:49
Seveasor something like that03:49
zerboxxI have no idea why, but when I try to run amsn, nothing happens at all, any one with an idea of what I should do?03:49
LuNaTiK^GuYthanks to all :)03:50
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trevizerboxx: try gaim03:50
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Seveaszerboxx, try to run it from a terminal and see what happens03:50
zerboxxtrevi: I hate gaim's buddy icon support, squishes the image, looks horrible03:51
zerboxxSeveas: Did that, nothing happens03:51
slask3n_when is firefox supposed to work again?03:51
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zerboxxSeveas: Doesn't spit me back to promt, just blank03:51
Seveasslask3n_, now if you downgrade, monday for a newer package03:51
Seveaszerboxx, odd...03:51
slask3n_k03:52
BelutzSeveas: i found it, i've installed libapache-mod-php5 while i use apache2, so i have to installed libapache2-mod-php5 instead of libapache-mod-php503:52
zerboxxSeveas: I know :)  I'm starting to get weird problems like that, also, my palm wont sync, while it was yesterday *sigh* I will not go back to W$03:52
SeveasBelutz, hehe :)03:52
BelutzSeveas: thx for the sources link :)03:53
TDwhy does ubuntu-desktop not recommend packages, so ubuntu-desktop can be safely removed?03:53
trevizerboxx: do you apt-get amsn?03:53
SeveasTD, it CAN be safely removed...03:53
TDwell yes, but that's not recommended is it?03:53
TDthen upgrades won't work right03:53
bob2TD: because it's a Depends relationship03:53
Seveasit just depends: on packages no packages depend on it03:53
bob2"a full Ubuntu desktop DEPENDS on having these packages installed"03:54
SeveasTD, if u-d would just recommend, upgrading would be just as bad as no u-d at all...03:54
Seveasbob2, true, but 'a full desktop' is not a packages :)03:54
TDbob2: i thought recommended meant that a dependency would be installed automatically, but it would not stop that dep being removed03:54
bob2nope03:54
bob2that's frontend-specific03:54
TDso what does it mean?03:54
bob2apt-get ignores recommends by default03:55
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TDwhat's the point then?03:55
bob2recommends means that it's recommended that you have it03:55
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guybobhi03:55
bob2aptitude and synaptic will display them, letting you install them if you like03:55
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qt2i'm wondering... is there a gnome hack that allows for alt+tabbing while having stuff being dragged with the mouse...?03:55
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kicolobohi03:55
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kicoloboI had just installed Ubuntu and have some doubts03:56
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TDbob2: so basically there's no way to remove gaim (for instance, if you want to upgrade it to CVS or the source) without also removing ubuntu-desktop, which may break upgrades03:56
ubuntudiggerok folks! i quit! going back to windows, no use whith ubuntu whitout a printer working03:56
TDright?03:56
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bob2TD: yup03:56
apokryphosTD: that won't really break packages, if you do things correctly.03:56
bob2TD: so, leave gaim alone and install cvs to /usr/local/03:56
TDbob2: doesn't that imply maybe a system like fedora package groups should be used instead of a virtual package?03:56
bob2ubuntudigger: that's a shame, good luck03:57
bob2TD: why?03:57
SeveasTD, if you make a dummy package that Provides: gaim upgrades will work :)03:57
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bob2TD: installing random stuff from outside ubuntu is not a common case03:57
TDbob2: i'd say it's an extremely common case03:57
fabien_salut  tous03:57
SeveasTD, it's not...03:57
bob2TD: well, we're both talking out our arses03:57
TDgiven that ubuntu only provides a fraction of the available software in the world. and it's often out of date due to the freeze03:57
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bob2TD: a fraction?03:57
fabien_qui pourrai me donner un lien pour telecharger de  bon fond d'ecran ubunto03:57
apokryphosbob2: er, are you serious? You're telling me it's not a common case that a person compiles at least something from elsewhere? Come on now.03:57
SeveasTD, ehrm, a fraction ?!?03:57
TDyes03:57
TDa tiny fraction.03:57
Seveasfabien_, #ubuntu-fr svp03:57
thenukeubuntudigger: install windows and do not remove ubuntu :)03:58
bob2TD: and that has nothing to do with this, installing random things from outside ubuntu will not affect ubuntu-desktop in any way03:58
TDgiven that most software runs on windows, it has to be ;)03:58
SeveasTD, stop trolling...03:58
qt2TD, out of date? backports.03:58
bob2apokryphos: I think you'd be surprised03:58
TDbut even if you restrict the view to only software that runs on linux, it's still nowhere near complete03:58
thenukeubuntudigger: what printer you have btw?03:58
TDi'm not trolling, i'm making a point03:58
bob2backports are terrible solution03:58
SeveasTD, you're making a moot point03:58
Seveasif you call all ramblings made by novice programmers software, you're right03:58
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TDthe point is that the design of ubuntu seems to make it extraordinarily difficult to use anything not in the repositories, which is silly03:58
bob2TD: you can install whatever you want without affecting ubuntu-desktop03:58
bob2TD: no, it doesn't, sorry03:59
qt2TD, you can always modify ubuntu-desktop. :P03:59
SeveasTD, that's not true: you can install what you want...03:59
TDi class building or modifying packages yourself "difficult"03:59
bob2TD: install whatever you want, anywhere you like.  the only issue is that you can't trivially remove the ubuntu packaged one03:59
qt2TD, it's very easy to use most non-repo things.03:59
apokryphosTD: I haven't had ubuntu-desktop installed for, erm, before hoary was out.03:59
TDwell, exactly03:59
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SeveasTD, you don't have to build packages for stuff not in Ubuntu...03:59
ubuntudiggerwindows i know how to fix, ubuntu worked perfectly exept for the printer problem, brother d  dcp 4020c, have downloaded the correct driver from brother.no but cant install il03:59
TDthen you get two menu items which look identical, two file associations etc03:59
bob2so, limit your complain to the actual problem03:59
TDalso /usr/local tends not to work very well03:59
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SeveasTD, nonsense03:59
bob2in what way does it not work?03:59
LuNaTiK^GuYis there a "Cool Edit Pro" for Linux03:59
Seveas/usr/local works fine...03:59
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TDeg, $FOO_PATHs are often not set up for it. BONOBO_ACTIVATION_PATH, PKG_CONFIG_PATH, a bunch of other obscure paths i forget04:00
bob2ubuntudigger: yes, you told us.  it's shame you decided to go to windows instead of just asking on the mailing list, but that's life.04:00
SeveasTD, if you need them, set them up...04:00
anoopwhat is the DEBCONF tool04:00
anoop?04:00
apokryphosTD: with all due respect towhat people are saying, ubuntu-desktop is still a recommendation, and a recommendation of packages -- don't forget that. If you want to customize your system, as you are now, then go for it.04:00
TDi'm coming from the perspective of non-linux-developer here. setting them up isn't something just anybody could do04:00
bob2yes, but putting libraries in /usr/local/ is rather rare04:01
BelutzTD: actually i've installed several apps which is not in repo....04:01
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ubuntudiggerwhat mailing list?04:01
TDBelutz: oh yes, i'm not saying it's impossible04:01
bob2ubuntudigger: ubuntu-user04:01
TDjust that ubuntu goes out of its way to make it hard. anyway, i need to go eat. bbl04:01
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LuNaTiK^GuYexamples TD?04:01
bob2anyway, you're not raising anything new, this has been dicussed over and over04:02
bob2see the ubuntu-devel archives04:02
BelutzTD: well i previously using FreeBSD, and i think ubuntu is a lot more better for desktop user, but everybody have a different views :)04:02
ubuntudiggeri am so new at this than i dont even know where to find that list04:02
apokryphosbob2, Seveas: how exactly would not having ubuntu-desktop break packages?04:02
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qt2ubuntudigger, heh, it probably has to do with the usbfs remnaming?04:02
Seveasubuntudigger, http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/04:02
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bob2apokryphos: I never said that04:02
bob2apokryphos: it will make upgrades harder, since you won't pick up new packages that it Depends on04:02
lsuactiafnerhow do i i forver disable apt-get to ignore the ubuntu kernel upgrades?!04:02
bob2apokryphos: e.g. network-manager might only be installed in breezy because ubuntu-desktop Depends on it04:03
bob2lsuactiafner: why do you want to do that?04:03
Seveasexactly, when hoary switched from Xfree to Xorg, not having u-d installed would make you miss that...04:03
lsuactiafnerbob2 : because i make my own kernel04:03
bob2lsuactiafner: then just put it on  hold in synaptic, I guess04:03
lsuactiafnerand downloading every stupid single kernel release hogs my dialup04:04
lsuactiafnerthanks04:04
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apokryphosbob2: you'll only miss out on things that you don't currently have. I don't think you can really say that breaks the upgrade (as in, not allowing it to go forward). And it's worth noting that you can easily install it again before an upgrade04:04
apokryphosbob2: in which case, for normal using just why shouldn't you be able to delete it?04:04
phanterhello. My clock is set to synchronize so the time is right. The time in my topscreen is right as well, But the time in my desklets is not correct. What could cause this problem.04:04
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bob2apokryphos: it can break the upgrade, but it's certainly work-around-able04:04
bob2apokryphos: you can remove it if you like, but you need to be aware of what that means04:05
bob2there's usually very little reason to do so04:05
lsuactiafnerphanter : you changed the time.. and desklets are confused..04:05
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apokryphosbob2: I can only see it breaking the upgrade if you're defining that as "not installing all the packages that it would bring in"04:06
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fuzzymeHi! I think I have a peculiar prob. with ubuntu.. Can anybody help?04:06
bob2apokryphos: correct04:06
ubuntudiggerok now i have subscribed the ubuntu user04:06
qt2bob2, i've had to re-apt-get ubuntu-desktop ocasionally... it's strange.04:06
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lsuactiafnerhow do i select hold with synaptic?04:06
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lsuactiafnerwant to disable all the kernel image upgrades.04:06
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apokryphosbob2: that's fine; I'd prefer to stick to "breaking an upgrade" means "the upgrade cannot go ahead". Similar to what it means to have "a broken package"04:07
bob2ok04:07
fuzzymeI don't see many of the things people seem to see in synaptic...04:07
apokryphosfuzzyme: you may not have all the repositories enabled04:07
apokryphos!repositories04:07
ubotu[repositories]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto04:07
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qt2bob2, in fact, ubuntu-desktop was not installed just now, as i founf out, and i have no idea why o.O;04:07
Seveasfuzzyme: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3804:07
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apokryphosfuzzyme: you just won't get backports with that one, which you may want.04:08
Seveasor may not want :)\04:08
fuzzymeDo I have to use the internet for it?04:08
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fuzzymeCOz my connection is not working from ubuntu04:09
apokryphosfuzzyme: err, yeah. Ubuntu Universe/Multiverse repositories are on the net04:09
lsuactiafnerSeveas : dont you know how to make apt-get ignore new available kernels?04:09
qt2ubuntudigger, ...is there a reason you just did a dcc chat with me? <.<;04:09
zwnjhow i can manage system services in ubuntu?04:09
phanterlsuactiafner, so you say that after relauding my desktop it should work? in that case I will relaod my desktop in a minute :)04:09
Seveaslsuactiafner, bob2 told you :)04:09
leroji can't type <'s!04:09
lerojonly copy them04:09
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zwnjsomething like redhat's "service" or "system-config-services"04:09
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lsuactiafneri checked cant find the hold option he said i should look for04:10
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chibifszwnj - There's a program called BUM04:10
ubuntudiggerits more easy to understand when things not going so fast,04:10
bob2lsuactiafner: select "freeze" or something04:10
Seveaszwnj, update-rc.d04:10
bob2I don't use synaptic04:10
lerojhehe BUM04:10
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qt2bob2, 'lock version' perhaps?04:10
lerojon that note heheh SMEG04:10
fuzzymeapokryphos: Is KDE installed with ubuntu?04:10
chibifszwnj - I'm not sure where to get it alone, but there's a clip of it on ubuntuguide.org04:10
apokryphosfuzzyme: no, but it is with Kubuntu. You can easily install it from Ubuntu with a net connection04:11
zwnjchibifs, Seveas: thanks :)04:11
qt2lsuactiafner, i believe you select the package, and then go to package > lock version.04:11
Seveaslsuactiafner, select the package and use package -> lock version in the menu04:11
bob2qt2: that sounds right04:11
zerboxxtrevi: I'm sorry it took so long trevi, you said "do I apt-get amsn" what do you mean?04:11
Seveasqt2, damn you :p04:11
bob2lsuactiafner: lock version04:11
bob2qt2: thanks!04:11
fuzzymeapokryphos: :-( net connection is my CHIEF problem with ubuntu04:11
zzzzzzzhas anyone of you got working cups browsing?04:11
chibifsNow now, don't bash me for reccomending ubuntuguide! It's the only place I've seen it xD04:11
apokryphosfuzzyme: why isn't it working? What's the prob?04:11
qt2bob2, anytime ;)04:11
fuzzymeCoz I have a 'WinModem <('04:12
ubuntudiggerqt2: hoped you could give me some time to try to sort out the trouble in the dcc chat, wher things not going so fast04:12
lsuactiafnercant find the option @ all...04:12
apokryphosfuzzyme: is that computer not on a network?04:12
lsuactiafnerthanks04:12
fuzzymeNo04:12
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qt2ubuntudigger, err, why not query me? i prefer to stay away from dcc if i can.04:12
LuNaTiK^GuY"checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found" wot do i do now?04:12
zzzzzzzthe printers appear in gnome-cups-manager but there are no properties associated with them04:12
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bogahow do I allow connections to my ssh port?04:12
apokryphosfuzzyme: oh :S. You might still be able to get it running, though personally I think it's easily worth just getting a router04:13
qt2LuNaTiK^GuY, grab qt3 from synaptic?04:13
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fuzzymeapokryphos: well, router? what's it?04:13
LuNaTiK^GuYqt2...thanks04:13
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LuNaTiK^GuYdo u know the exact package name?04:13
ubuntudiggerwhat is that then, i thougt it just was a place to chat quietly as i said, i am totaly blank about this chattroom04:13
apokryphosfuzzyme: it's kind of a modem and a hub combined. It stays always connected to the net, and you just plug up any computers to it to get the connection04:13
qt2LuNaTiK^GuY, libqt3 something, just ctrl+f libqt304:14
apokryphosfuzzyme: they're cheap too04:14
qt2LuNaTiK^GuY, you'll probably need -dev and -headers. ;)04:14
holycowoh, haha galeon has print preview04:14
zzzzzzzany cups-experts around?04:14
lsuactiafnerlock didnt work04:15
lsuactiafnerit still wants to download the new kernel04:15
fuzzymeapokryphos: No, I have the driver for the WinModem(though it's a miniscule 14.4 one). Yet, it's not working...04:15
thenukezzzzzzz: you are better off just asking the question..04:15
LuNaTiK^GuY!libqt304:15
ubotuI haven't a clue, LuNaTiK^GuY04:15
qt2LuNaTiK^GuY, and libqt3c102-mt. ;)04:15
lsuactiafnerand i'm on 2.6.12 for good reason and no 2.6.1004:15
zzzzzzzthenuke: that was the question :-)04:15
LuNaTiK^GuYoh god04:15
fuzzymeapokryphos: I'm gonna buy a new external modem but for the present?04:15
qt2libqt3-headers and libqt3-dev are the names i believe.04:16
apokryphosfuzzyme: no point getting just a modem when you can get a router, really04:16
LuNaTiK^GuYthanks04:16
thenukezzzzzzz: it was a very bad question indeed04:16
fuzzymeapokryphos: how much will that cost?04:16
LuNaTiK^GuYlemme try them out one at a time :)04:16
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qt2ubuntulog, a dcc chat is usually used for file-related stuff, a query is a private message window between two people.04:16
fuzzymeand what'04:16
ztonzyhow to restart desktop ?04:16
apokryphosfuzzyme: not much. They're around 35 here04:17
fuzzymeapokryphos: where?04:17
thenukezzzzzzz: I have not seen EVER anyone answer to that kind of questions when someone wants to know if there are experts available04:17
LuNaTiK^GuYi had the headers...but not the dev ;)04:17
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fuzzymeand what's the advantage?04:17
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thenukezzzzzzz: your spesific problem might not need and all-around cups expert you know04:17
apokryphosfuzzyme: it doesn't connect to the net as conventional modems; it's always connected, and so any computer you can just plug up and it connects04:17
qt2LuNaTiK^GuY, ;)04:17
apokryphosfuzzyme: of course, big advantage is taht it's a hub, too04:18
LuNaTiK^GuYy not put all dev packs in one :)04:18
qt2LuNaTiK^GuY, because some people want the headers but not dev?04:18
fuzzymeOk, what's your currency?(so I can guess how much that'll cost to me)04:18
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zzzzzzzthenuke: well... so let me rephrase my question: did anyone get working cups remote printing with browsing. (better? :-)04:18
apokryphosfuzzyme: GBP04:19
LuNaTiK^GuYqt2: hey i'm a noob :)04:19
qt2LuNaTiK^GuY, so am i. ;)04:19
LuNaTiK^GuYqt2: i dont even know wot the differences are!04:19
apokryphosLuNaTiK^GuY: are you talking about qt includes? You should be alright iwth just libqt3-mt-dev04:19
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zzzzzzzthenuke: (regardless of being an expert or not)04:19
mikulsyns mina  nu?04:19
fuzzymeapokryphos: Sorry, but what's GBP? Which country?04:19
mikuloops04:19
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mikulwrong channal04:19
apokryphosLuNaTiK^GuY: British Pound04:19
thenukezzzzzzz: it's better but now you asked me about it :)04:19
bob2lsuactiafner: define "didn't work"04:19
qt2apokryphos, which happens to require libqt3-mt-headers anyway. ;)04:19
thenukeso 90% of ppl wont read it04:19
lsuactiafnerbob2 : there is no hold option i found, lock didnt work.04:19
LuNaTiK^GuYapokryphos: wot?04:19
ubuntuhello04:19
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bob2lsuactiafner: as above, define "didn't work"04:20
ubuntutesting04:20
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bob2lsuactiafner: synaptic's lock has no effect on apt-get and aptitude, of course04:20
apokryphosLuNaTiK^GuY: are you trying to get the Qt includes, to compile or something? If so, that package should do it...04:20
lsuactiafnerwhen i do apt-get upgrade ia32-libs it still starts to download the kernel04:20
LuNaTiK^GuYyes i was installing a kde app04:20
lsuactiafnerhmmk back to my question, how do i make apt-get ignore the damn kernel04:20
LuNaTiK^GuYand got some error04:20
bob2lsuactiafner: that's not how the upgrade command works04:20
LuNaTiK^GuY"checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found" wot do i do now?04:20
qt2apokryphos, heh, he already solved it. ;)04:20
bob2lsuactiafner: apt-get upgrade blah = apt-get upgrade04:21
LuNaTiK^GuYTHAT was the error04:21
LuNaTiK^GuY:)04:21
bob2lsuactiafner: it ignores all arguments04:21
lsuactiafnerbob2 : it doesnt.04:21
apokryphosqt2: cool04:21
zzzzzzzthenuke: huh?04:21
bob2lsuactiafner: what?04:21
micmicI'm a newbbie, how can I upgrade Mozilla-Firefox to 1.0604:21
lsuactiafnerthe kernel is a dependancy, so far all the other packages ive upgraded ive managed to apt-get upgrade package and it ignored the kernel04:21
LuNaTiK^GuYqt2: got the same error again :(04:21
fuzzymemicmic: which distro do you have?04:22
bob2lsuactiafner: echo pkgname hold | sudo dpkg --set-selections04:22
lsuactiafnerbut now ia32-libs requires a kernel thats 2.6.10 > and i got 2.6.1204:22
qt2lsuactiafner, doing an atp-get upgrade forces it to ignore any 'loks' on the version, soo unless you manually upgrade it with apt-get upgrade, it should ignore it.04:22
micmicubuntu 5.0404:22
bob2lsuactiafner: then you've lost, there's alimit to how much you can try to break apt04:22
qt2lsuactiafner, err, neverlind, i misunderstood the problem.04:22
fuzzymemicmic: Did you go to their website: getfirefox.com04:23
lsuactiafnerapt-get should do as its told, i'm human and i'm smart enough to realise i dont need the kernel package04:23
qt2LuNaTiK^GuY, then follow apokryphos's advice.04:23
qt2lsuactiafner, hack support for it into apt-get? ;)04:23
bob2lsuactiafner: er04:23
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bob2lsuactiafner: ia32-libs doesn't Depend on a kernel at all04:23
lsuactiafnerbob2 : you are a genius (:04:23
bob2nothing in ubuntu should do that04:23
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micmicfuzzyme: yes, I've download firefox-1.0.6.installes.tar.gz04:24
zackHey, i04:24
fuzzymemicmic: Then u r asking what?04:24
lsuactiafnerThe following packages have been kept back:04:24
lsuactiafner  linux-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic mozilla-firefox mozilla-firefox-gnome-support04:24
lsuactiafneryay!!04:24
micmicfuzzyme: well, when I do tar -xvf then I have an permission error04:25
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bob2so, the moral of the story is to be way way more specific04:25
zackSorry about that, what I was trying to say was "Hey, i'm not trying to be hasty, but I was hoping that someone could give me the path to install new metacity themes in"04:25
fuzzymemicmic:In which directory do u have that tar file?04:25
bob2zack: drag them onto the theme manager04:25
micmicfuzzyme: download04:25
fuzzymemicmic: and did u tar as root?04:25
qt2sp... why does ubuntu at high volumes cause static in the sound?04:25
zackthanks bob, im stupid :P04:26
micmicfuzzyme: yes I tried as sudo04:26
fuzzymemicmic: What's the error? do u remember?04:26
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micmicfuzzyme: I'm trying to reproduce it now, give a minute04:27
qt2&so04:27
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nynnbonjour04:28
qt2lsuactiafner, good job, good luck. ;)04:28
trevijour nynn04:29
qt2why does it seem that everyone i've seen has been having their mozilla-firefox held back by the way?04:29
micmicfuzzyme: I do "sudo tar xvfz firefox-1.0.6.installer.tar.gz" that's ok04:29
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micmicfuzzyme: now I have a nez directory "firefox-installer"04:30
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Nomikosdoes anyone know of a guide for compiling php4 under Ubuntu? default install seems to miss curl support :-S04:32
micmicfuzzyme: cd firefox-installer04:32
qt2micmic, you could always just wait till firefox 1.0.6 hits backports. ;)04:32
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micmicfuzzyme: sudo ./firefox-i nstaller04:32
micmicfuzzyme: sudo: unable to execute ./firefox-installer: Permission denied04:33
qt2Nomikos, did you grab php4-curl from synaptic?04:33
edhey Im a noob to ubuntu, what is the default root password? this didnt ask me to set root up04:33
micmicqt2: ;) I'm trying get it first04:33
Nomikosi think so.. regular apt-get thing, afaik, was a while ago04:33
Nomikosoh ehr04:33
fuzzymemicmic: see the file's permissions. See who's the owner.04:34
snickkersed: there is no root password. often, if it asks you for a password, it's asking for *your* password, not root's04:34
Nomikoshold on :-) misread.. php4-curl you say04:34
qt2Nomikos, aye. ;)04:34
Nomikosqt2 is that like apt-get php4-curl ?04:34
micmicfuzzyme: -rwxrwxrwx  1 root root    1699 2005-07-18 01:50 firefox-installer04:34
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mirakhi04:34
edi tried that but it wouldnt take it.... I'm trying to install a game04:34
mirakis there anyone from thekoslovakia here ?04:34
fuzzymemicmic: Then very sorry no idea...04:35
Nomikosqt2: synaptic.. ah. i must drink more coffee, let me check it out..04:35
micmicfuzzyme: thank anyway04:35
eddoes anyone know if a root pwd exists?04:36
qt2Nomikos, i dont see how using apt-get would make any differnce than using synaptic, since synaptic is just a front end, or so i've come to believe... ;)04:36
trevimirak: hi04:36
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Nomikosqt2, yus :-) i'm a bit slow the last couple days... fired it up now04:36
miraktrevi: are you from slovakia ?04:36
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edto install the firefox app need to extract to usr / share/ and then just click ion firefox04:36
trevimirak: nop..sorry04:37
qt2Nomikos, heh, it's all good, i was like that last night.04:37
snickkersCan someone help me get sound/music working on this machine? I'm not really sure what's wrong. when I try to make a noise (I'm using System -> Preferences -> Sound -> Sound Events -> Play) nothing comes out of the speakers. There's no error message.04:37
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qt2Nomikos, i ended up crashing out and missing a chance to begin learning python with a a new friend.04:37
snickkersAlso, if i go Applications -> Sound & Video -> Volume Monitor, I can see that *something* is being played, but still - no noise out of speakers04:38
Nomikosqt2, owh.. meet up again sometime, python's nice i hear04:38
micmiced: what??04:39
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edwhats what?04:39
qt2Nomikos, tonight i hope.04:39
Nomikosqt2: magic! it worked :-)04:39
micmiced: you say to install firefox...04:39
dimhow do I install adobe on ubuntu?04:39
qt2Nomikos, most of the seemingly complicated problems have mind-numbing simle solutions ;)04:39
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snickkersqt2: most of the mind-numbing simple problems have the most complicated solutions04:40
dimI mean acrobat reader?04:40
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edmimic: you need to extract the files to the user share04:40
qt2snickkers, true enough.04:40
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micmiced: I tried it to a normal directory and then when I tried to execute as root I give an error04:41
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qt2micmic, tried it as non-root?04:42
snickkersnobody feel like helping me with my audio troubles? :/04:42
qt2snickkers, what be your troubles?04:42
edtake the directory, move it to usr/share should work04:42
micmiced: I try, thanks04:42
edhwo did you get the login to work as root?04:43
qt2snickkers, oh, i see, did you unmute your soundcard?04:43
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liranhow can i export the entire screen on one box and connect to it remotely? (im talking about connecting to the x server)04:43
dimhow about helping me with installing acrobat reader?04:43
snickkersqt2: I'm pretty sure I have - I did it in Apps -> Sound & video -> Volume Mixer04:43
snickkersqt2: err, Volume Control04:44
micmiced: well, I do sudo... ok?04:44
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NewiseTo get root password to work set new root password: sudo passwd root04:44
qt2snickkers, did you unmute all the channels? ;)04:44
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tuxHello. Somebody knows if the mozilla-firefox 1.02 has the following bug: it cannot download files?04:44
snickkersqt2: yes04:45
edyeah will try bbl04:45
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micmicqt2: with my normal user?04:45
snickkersqt2: I also have a tv tuner card, I dunno if that's messing with things *shrug*04:45
qt2snickkers, hm, try opening a console and trying killall esd.04:45
qt2micmic, cant hurt.04:45
qt2snickkers, ohhhh..04:45
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HajuuHeya04:46
qt2snickkers, that could very well be it.04:46
qt2snickkers, forget the killall command04:46
HajuuHow come my XMMS won't connect to this ASX stream?04:46
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qt2snickkers, pop open the volume control, go to file > change device and see what the selected device is.04:46
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edmimic you do it at the login? or from terminal04:47
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micmicqt2: I've then same error "bash: ./firefox-installer: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permiso denegado"04:47
micmiced: from terminal04:48
snickkersthere's Realtek ALC665 rev 0 (OSS) selected, and SiS SI7012 (ALSA) not selected04:48
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edand its just sudo?04:48
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qt2Hajuu, does it connect to any assx steams?04:48
micmiced: yes, "sudo tar ..."; "cd firefox-installer"; "sudo ./firefox-installer"04:48
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edk04:49
snickkersqt2: however, 'alsamixer' makes things more confusing, by saying that the selected devies is "Card: SiS SI7012, Chip: Realtek ALC655 trv0"04:49
qt2snickkers, hm, changing the device to the other one and unmuting/raising the volume of that.04:49
Hajuuqt2:  Nope.04:49
LuNaTiK^GuYi keep getting "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found."04:49
edbb04:49
LuNaTiK^GuYeven after instralling all those libraires04:49
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wrtpeepswhat file do i need to edit to add some alias to my bash rc04:50
tuxHello. Somebody knows if the mozilla-firefox 1.02 has the following bug: it cannot download files?04:51
qt2LuNaTiK^GuY, might want to inquier in #kde...? ;)04:51
qt2LuNaTiK^GuY, err, i mean #qt04:51
micmictux: I don't have that problem04:52
LuNaTiK^GuYok i;ll try04:52
bob2wrtpeeps: depends what you're doing04:52
snickkersq2: still no success04:52
bob2tux: no, it doesn't04:52
bob2wrtpeeps: perhaps ~/.bashrc04:52
wrtpeepsok, thanks04:52
qt2snickkers, are you raising only the master?04:52
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snickkersqt2: I've raised all sliders to around 80%, and unmuted, on both devices04:53
snickkersqt2: all sliders on Playback, not Capture, btw04:53
wrtpeepsit seems nautilus has messed up my xfce04:53
wrtpeepsi need to run a command, is it xfdesktop or something?04:54
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NoHopehi all04:54
trevini NoHope04:55
snickkershi nh04:55
NoHopehey, where can I find some doc about the ubuntu initialization scheme (I think you called it SysV)...04:55
NoHope?04:55
snickkersqt2: my box is already open atm. should I try taking out the tuner card, seeing if ubuntu works nice and neatly without it?04:56
occyHow does an AMD Athlon 64 3400+ compare to say an Intel Pentium IV 2.4Ghz ?04:58
occywhich is faster and by how much?04:58
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snickkersqt2: I'm gonna try that. I'll be back in 5 mins04:58
phanterhow can I check if my system time is set to gmt or to the local time ?04:58
snickkersoocy: I'd *guess* the AMD, because it's about 3.4Ghz comparitabely, also it's 64bit while that p4 is 32bit04:59
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cyberixWhere is glxinfo in breezy?05:00
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NoHopehey, I have Firefox 1.05 and Java in /mypersonaldir/java. How can I "say" to firefox the path of java?05:00
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liranhow do i turn x11 to listen on port 6000?05:00
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HajuuHow come my XMMS won't connect to ANY ASX streams?05:02
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phanterhow can I check if my system time is set to gmt or to the local time ?05:03
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NoHopehey, I have Firefox 1.05 and Java in /mypersonaldir/java. How can I "say" to firefox the path of java?05:04
Hajuuphanter:  Well you check your clock and if its set to your time.. then its right.. and if it isn't.. then its wrong...05:04
Hajuu:/05:04
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phanterHajuu, very smart, but I want to know where i can check (and change ?) this on my laptop05:04
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LuNaTiK^GuYi was told to fix the problem on my own...NICE :(05:05
HajuuRight click on the clock and go "Adjust date and time"05:05
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HWolffreenode is having problems, it seems05:06
fabbionewhat's new about that?05:08
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qt2HWolf, freenodes problems come on an almost regular schedule nowadays... ;)05:09
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HWolfWhy don't they fix it?05:09
HWolfTry joining #freenode, and you'll be told that it's under attack from a clonebot.05:09
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HWolfhow hard can it be to kill a bot? :S05:10
Jason_Deanhi, is there a list of the packages ubuntu installs when one selects 'server installation' ?05:10
HWolfyup, just check it's dependency's05:11
CarlFKHWolf - what it?05:11
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occyHow does an AMD Athlon 64 3400+ compare to say an Intel Pentium IV 2.4Ghz ?05:11
occywhich is faster and by how much?05:11
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occy(we disco'ed right after I asked that)05:12
HWolfoccy, impossible to say, and not a question for this channel05:12
cfaunI think it is supposed to be about a gigahertz faster, according to wikipedia, but it isn't always accurate05:12
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digitalfoxWhen is the Firefox package going to be fixed?05:12
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HWolfCarlFK: 'server' only installs ubuntu-base, afaik05:12
cfaunthat isn't taking into account the 64 bit speedups05:13
occyHWolf, heh, ummm, It's a good a question as any for this channel.05:13
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qt2HWolf, one bot, pretty easy, but they're dealing with thuousands of them at once.05:13
cfaunoccy: if I were you, I would google some benchmarks05:13
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qt2mmm, gotta love zombied pc's <305:13
occyHWolf, I have a pIV 2.4Ghz that keeps locking up with Ubuntu and want to get something that works with Ubuntu.   So I'm wondering if the AMD 64 3400+ is faster.05:13
HWolfoccy, it's not. a processor is dependant on the rest of the system, ram, harddisk, mainboard, other hardware. It's complicated, and everyone has his own preferences05:13
cfaunoccy: for different things you will get different amounts of speedups05:13
occyHWolf, go away05:14
HajuuHow come my XMMS won't connect to ANY ASX streams?05:14
linuksoHi! Any mpd users here? I've installed mpd on my ubuntu box with aptitude, run sudo dpkg-reconfigure mpd and added symlinks to my music folder, but I mpd won't play anything.05:14
cfaunoccy: its true05:14
Dr_MelectausHi, im trying to install ut2004, but its saying its unable to mount the volume because there is no media in the drive05:14
qt2occy, he's right.05:14
HWolfoccy, amd's are faster atm, in general, in most applications, own intel in games, lose out in other benches05:14
Dr_Melectausi dont know why but it isnt detecting the disc05:14
digitalfoxoccy, the processor isn't the problem most likely.05:14
Dr_Melectausi cant browse the folder either05:14
HWolfoccy, please read the ubuntu code of conduct05:14
CarlFKoccy - regardless of if HWolf is right or wrong - try to be nice05:14
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digitalfoxoccy, I've never heard of Linux having a CPU support issue05:14
Dr_Melectausanyone able to help me out, or point me in the direction of help05:14
occyheh05:15
digitalfoxoccy, I'd look at other pieces of hardware as the culprit05:15
digitalfoxoccy, video card is a big one05:15
Dr_Melectausanyone ?05:15
qt2Dr_Melectaus, tried googling? ;)05:15
occydigitalfox, you could be right, I'm simply trying to purchase a new computer and want to know how much faster it will be05:15
occyI don't need someone getting all high and mighty on me.05:15
Dr_Melectausqt2. yes05:15
cfaundid you mount the drive?05:15
Dr_Melectauscfaun, right clicked dcrom and clicked mount05:16
cfaunoccy: step away and reread it. You will find that YOU are the one getting all high and mighty05:16
HWolfoccy, i'm just telling you the thruth. personally I'd say amd is the way to go, but the only way to find out what is right for you is figure out your use cases, and reading reviews and benchmarks05:16
Dr_Melectausbut it says something like unable to mount, most likely because there is no media in the drive05:16
cfaunbah, stupid GUIs05:16
cfaunsry; don't know05:16
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cfaunI would try #linuxhelp if noone here knows05:16
Dr_Melectausqt2, its the dvd edition of ut2k4 if that makes a difference05:17
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Dr_Williscant get the installer for ut2004 working?05:17
occyall I asked was a simple question.  I've been around the LInux community for quite a while.  I don't need people being rude for no reason at all.  Trying to ascertain a processor speed isn't that big of a deal.05:17
Dr_MelectausDr_Willis, the disc isnt being detected05:17
occyat any rate05:17
qt2Dr_Willis, he cant get the cd to even be detected. :P05:17
Dr_Willisewwwwww05:18
Dr_Melectausi right clicked and tried right clicking and mounting05:18
naliothoccy: www.tomshardware.com has plenty of info on hardware05:18
occyfeel free to have your last words...05:18
occynalioth, tx05:18
Dr_Melectausbut it says unable to mount, probobly because there is no media in the drive05:18
qt2occy, yes, the amd will far outpace your current processor.05:18
Dr_Willisthis is when linux comes in handy :) dropin back to the shel and do it manually05:18
occyqt2, why thank you that's all I was wantingl.05:18
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HWolfqt2, so will the p4, really05:18
occyerr wanting even.05:18
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occyI don't know jack about processors.05:18
Dr_MelectausDr_Willis, could you pm me telling me how to do it, im a bit of a noob with nix05:18
occyhence the reason I was asking05:18
occyanyhoo05:18
occytx05:18
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qt2occy, no problem, you've gotta learn to take irc with a grain of salt is all ;)05:19
Dr_WillisDr_Melectaus,  the 'sudo mount' command.. but wait a sec.. you said the cd wassent in the drive?05:19
occyqt2, I've been on since 95... and I still haven't learned ;)05:19
Dr_Melectausit is in the drive05:19
Dr_MelectausBut it isnt appearing to be05:19
Dr_Melectaususually the cd icon appears on my desktop05:19
qt2occy, a bit stubborn? ;)05:19
Dr_Willispop up a shell and type 'sudo mount' and see if it mentions it.05:19
Dr_Willismay be gnome is confsed again05:20
Dr_Melectausok05:20
HajuuWhat is Sun Java on APT-GET as?05:20
Dr_Willistheres dozens of 'how to mount a drive tutorials' out - its one of the fundamental things of linux 101 - lol05:20
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Dr_MelectausDr_Willis, what should i be looking for05:21
nalioth!java05:21
ubotusomebody said java was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.05:21
Dr_Melectausi cant see anything about cdrom005:21
Dr_Willisgoogle for 'linux drive mount tutorial'05:21
trillijiI have a DVD/RW drive that isn't detected by gnome as a cd/rw. It doesn't recognize either DVD or CD blank media. does anyone know how I can manually tell it that it is there?05:21
Dr_Willisdoes it work with other disks Dr_Melectaus ?05:21
Dr_Melectausyea other discs work fine05:22
Dr_Melectausjust seems to be this one05:22
Dr_Melectausi dont know if its because its a DVD05:22
Dr_MelectausWhen i try to play DVD movies it doesnt have any of it05:22
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lirani dont have port 6000 open, probably cause X was run with 'tcp -nolisten'. in which file do i remove it?05:26
phanterMy timezone is correct. The actual time is 17:15 here, but gnome tells me the time is 15:15. I use ntp (time should be correct). What goes wrong?05:26
sexcopter8000mok this might sound strange. My printer is printing black as red, printing from windows produces black as black correctly. Any ideas?05:27
lirannm, found it.05:28
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qt2sexcopter8000m, probably ended up setting up the printer incorrectly or something of the sort.05:29
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catolhOk, this is a stupid question but.. how do i check how much space i got left on my hdd?.. :o05:30
Dr_Melectausdf05:30
Dr_Melectauscatolh, in terminal type df05:30
catolhIs there another way? like a gui graph?.. :p05:30
Dr_Melectausinfact, type df -h05:30
apokryphoscatolh: filelight is good05:31
Dr_Melectaus-h means human so it puts it in mb and gb05:31
CarlFKthere is a gui thing somewhere05:31
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coobraknoppix heh05:31
Dr_Willishmm - anyone else noticeing the firefox extensions page  messing up agaiin some how?05:32
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Acedyo05:33
Acedis there anyone here by the name of Hybird?05:33
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catolhfilelight was funky, didnt get one bit of it.. heh.. :\05:33
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apokryphoscatolh: ? It's pretty darn clear...05:34
catolhyeah, i know.. but it doesnt show me how much space i have left on my disk though.. or im not getting it.. :\05:34
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CarlFKcatolh - you didnt ask for space left ;)   df -h05:35
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catolhactually i did.. :p05:35
catolh"catolh Ok, this is a stupid question but.. how do i check how much space i got left on my hdd?.. :o"05:35
zerboxxI'm having 2 very annoying problems.  1) When I try to run amsn, nothing happens (in terminal nothing happens at all, just sits blank), and 2) When I try to run gnome-pilot, it freezes, can anyone please help with either (or both!)05:35
catolhbut anyway, i got it now.. thanks :)05:36
CarlFKwhere did I see a bar graph kinda view of a folder?05:36
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catolh"catolh Is there another way? like a gui graph?.. :p"05:36
catolh:p05:36
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chibifs:o Cell Ubuntu.05:37
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nnachtI'm using GTK+ for windows. But I don't know how to change the font size, anyone know it?05:40
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chibifsnnacht - Should conform to your windows fonts size. Did when I used it :/05:40
nnachtchibifs: no, it is definitely smaller than the windows fonts.05:41
zerboxxI have found that some programs require esd killed, is there anyway around this, so I can hear from everything?05:41
HajuuHey uhm.. following the wiki guide for installing java... I just dpkg'd it... But when I move onto trying to apt-get install it, apt-get doesnt know where the package file is.. and I can't find where it was put either...05:41
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Dr_Willisnnacht,  thers a tool i think that comes with the gtk downloads for wndows to select themes05:41
Hajuuzerboxx:  sudo killall esd05:41
w00fhow can i mount a partition for a regular user ?05:41
zerboxxHajuu: But then I can only have one sound at a time, is there any way to have both?05:42
chibifszerboxx - Try to remap them to use esd or alsa instead of oss, arts, or jackd.05:42
w00fmount says only root can mount and the moment i mount it the directory can only be accessed by root05:42
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w00fproperties can't be changed as the partition is ntfs (therefore, read-only)05:42
chibifsOr tell arts to use esd.05:42
zerboxxchibifs: So in each program, switch them to use esd?05:42
Hajuuzerboxx:  Not that i've found heh.05:42
HajuuNot for games, anyway.05:42
chibifsWhat program are you having trouble with?05:42
chibifs(s)05:42
zerboxxchibifs: Well I usually have esd up, and when it is, amsn sounds don't occur, same with xchat05:43
catolhDoes anyone know of a plugin for xmms / x-chat that makes me show others on x-chat what song im currently playing?05:43
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chibifsYeah, they should have use ALSA, ESD, or Gnome default in them somewhere. :P05:43
catolhothers on irc* i mean.. heh05:43
Dr_MelectausDr_Willis, no luck05:43
chibifsI don't use those in particular, but they /should/ :P05:44
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zerboxxchibifs: If given an option, I should select "esd"?05:44
zerboxxchibifs: How do you get it to work?05:44
phantersomebody please help me. My timesettings are getting really on my nerves, I tried everything a 100 times. How can I see what the hardware time is, how can I set this to the system time and does it (automaticly) kn ow that we are in summer daylight saving time ?05:45
catolhuhm, btw.. i recently installed gnome-baker.. how do i start it?.. heh05:45
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Dr_Willisnot sure what to tell ya then Dr_Melectaus  - if a clean reboot with the disk in the drive  and its still unable to see it.. sounds like the dvd may be dirty.. or the drive is flakey.. wiich is rare05:45
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chibifsLike I said, I don't use either, but I usually have things use ALSA or ESD, and if you haft aRts installed, open kconfig and switch the sound daemon to esd.05:45
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eruincatolh, it should be in Applications -> Accessories05:45
zerboxxchibifs: So you only have one thing playing sound at a time?05:45
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catolheruin, is it any good btw?05:46
Dr_MelectausDr_Willis, i just installed it on my windows pc no more than an hour ago05:46
eruincatolh, sure05:46
eruincatolh, I prefer rhythmbox for audio cds though ;)05:46
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chibifsWell, the purpose of esd/aRts would be so you can play multiple sounds at a time on a single channel soundcard :P05:46
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catolheruin, ok, thanks :)05:47
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HajuuHey uhm.. following the wiki guide for installing java... I just dpkg'd it... But when I move onto trying to apt-get install it, apt-get doesnt know where the package file is.. and I can't find where it was put either...05:49
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yaeyoanyone running ubuntu on mini-itx hardware?05:49
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zerboxxAnyone know how to help with my amsn (not starting, not doing anything) or my gnome-pilot (freezes and is just being plain stupid) problems?05:50
chibifszerboxx - Restarted gnome in a while?05:50
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chibifsPossible you have crazy broken threads laying around.05:51
zerboxxchibifs: does ctrl-alt-backspace restart gnome?05:51
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chibifsyeah.05:51
zerboxxchibifs: Then I have many times05:51
chibifsHmm.05:51
chibifsWhen did it start?05:52
zerboxxchibifs: What start?05:52
chibifsThe amsn and gnome-pilot being broken05:53
ed1thow do i install a font?05:53
zerboxxchibifs: amsn this morning (maybe 2 hours ago) gnome-pilot last night wouldnt sync, but freezing this morning05:53
catolhAre microsoft's fonts copyrighted?.. :p05:53
chibifsed1t - a random true type from the internet?05:54
catolhI mean, like the fonts included in for example WinXP05:54
ed1tchibifs, yea05:54
chibifscatolh - On a non-commercial free use liscence.05:54
chibifsYou can use them, but not for profit.05:54
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ed1tchibifs, i downloaded the fonts from the internet05:54
Hajuucan't ANYONE help me with my java woes?05:54
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ed1tHajuu, sup05:55
chibifsed1t - Just a second.05:55
catolhchibifs, so why not include them in a linux distro? like ubuntu?05:55
chibifscatolh - Because you'd have to read the liscence for each font during install.05:55
linuksoMounting nfs drives in ubuntu is terribly slow. any reason for this?05:55
catolhouch..05:55
catolhoh well.. :p05:55
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ed1tHajuu, wats the problem?05:56
chibifsYou can easily get them though05:56
Hajuued1t:  following the wiki guide for installing java (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java)... I just dpkg'd it... but when I move onto trying to apt-get install it, apt-get doesnt know where the package file is.. and I can't find where it was put either... It doesnt seem that dpkg told me either05:56
catolhYou could solve that by installing the fonts as a package.. and showing the liscence once.. :p05:56
HappyFoolchibifs: do you have any proof for this assertion? There were some 'web' fonts released under a different license, but not all windows fonts05:56
catolhlike "The microsoft font package - Read liscence" etc..05:56
chibifsInstall the mstcorefonts package from the multiverse.05:56
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ed1tHajuu, so apt-get install java-package cant find the package?05:56
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chibifsI belive it's in the multiverse, anyway, possibly the universe.05:57
Hajuuno... apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5debian -- that line05:57
Hajuudpkg -i sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb05:57
Hajuuafter that05:57
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chibifsHappyFool - The ones free for download make up the massive majority :P05:57
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HappyFoolHajuu: if you have used 'dpkg -i' to install a deb file, you don't need to use apt-get05:58
chibifscatolh - apt-get install msttcorefonts05:58
HappyFoolHajuu: what .deb file did you install?05:58
subiiminalwhat is the difference in the three kernels for the hoary 386 base install?05:58
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ed1tHajuu, try sun-j2sdk1.505:59
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zerboxxchibifs: It appears fully restarting has fixed amsn...05:59
chibifssubiiminal - 686 kernel is for High Intel processors, k7 kernel is for AMD Athlon+05:59
HajuuHappyFool:  I'm just reading this off the wiki.. and after the dpkg.. the command "java" still does nothing.05:59
chibifszerboxx - Then it was probably a thread running lower than X.05:59
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HappyFoolHajuu: where did you get the .deb file from? did you make it with make-jpkg, or download it?06:00
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subiiminalchibifs: i've got linux 386, linux-image 386 and linux-image-2.6.10-5-38606:00
Hajuued1t:  Nope, no good either.06:00
Hajuuhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java  -- Read that. I made it. Just like it says to.06:00
chibifssubiiminal - Oh, those are just depend-on-eachother things.06:00
HappyFoolHajuu: ok, and were there error messages when you ran dpkg -i ?06:00
subiiminalchibifs: so which do i choose?06:00
HajuuNope. No errors.06:01
HappyFoolHajuu: ok, you installed the jdk, not the jre, right?06:01
chibifssubiiminal - It doesn't matter, they all lead to 2.6.10-506:01
HappyFoolHajuu: what does 'dpkg -l sun\*|grep ^ii' output? (if anything)06:01
subiiminaloh, ok cheers06:01
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Hajuunaw I put on j2re06:02
HappyFoolHajuu: ok, run that command anyway06:02
chibifsed1t - Still looking for the directory, almost there.06:02
Hajuuii  sun-j2re1.5    1.5.0+update03 Java(TM) 2 RE, Standard Edition, Sun Microsy06:02
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HappyFoolHajuu: ok, so it's installed06:02
ed1tchibifs, k06:02
Hajuubut when I type "java" nothing happens...06:03
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Hajuu"command not found"06:03
apokryphosHajuu: /usr/bin/java exist?06:03
chibifsed1t - Try copying it as root to /usr/share/fonts/truetype06:03
zwnjis DynDNS still free?06:03
Hajuuapokryphos:  Nope...06:03
HappyFoolHajuu: hmm06:03
HappyFoolHajuu: /usr/bin/java is not part of that package06:03
nophixzwnj: yes, the basic stuff06:04
apokryphosHajuu: the package didn't install properly, apparently. Did you install from backports?06:04
apokryphosHappyFool: it should be06:04
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HappyFoolHajuu: try this: /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java06:04
HajuuI downloaded the package manually and installed using the WiKi guide.06:04
ed1tchibifs, nope06:04
HappyFoolapokryphos: yeah, i have it symlinked -- though i didn't do that manually06:04
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Hajuuah that works HappyFool06:04
subiiminalchibifs: /usr/bin/dpkg returns an error code :-/ dodgy cd...06:04
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apokryphosHajuu: hm, no wonder. I think it's pretty stupid that they still recommend that on the wiki, but hey.06:04
apokryphosHajuu: all you really have to do is enable backports and install that one package06:05
HappyFoolwell, i followed something similar to the wiki instructions, and mine works06:05
chibifssubiiminal - Are you using expert install?06:05
subiiminalchibifs: nope06:05
HappyFoollet me go and get seveas instructions06:05
Seveaspong06:05
Hajuuapokryphos:  Meh. I've never compiled anything or anything so its been a good experience.06:05
Seveaswazzup?06:05
chibifsed1t - Did you restart whatever program you were tryting to select fonts with?06:05
HappyFoolSeveas: just discussing jre installs06:06
chibifsUsually needs an X restart of some sort, if I remember right.06:06
apokryphosHajuu: ok, cool then =)06:06
SeveasHappyFool: To install java on Ubuntu: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, sudo aptitude install fakeroot java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , sudo dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 06:06
HappyFoolSeveas: Hajuu followed the wiki but has no /usr/bin/java symlink to the binary06:06
ed1tchibifs, i refreshed the FF browser, im trying to see the fonts on the website06:06
Seveashmm, then the wiki is erroneous06:06
apokryphosSeveas: why not use the backports package?06:06
HappyFoolSeveas: it's dated, afaik06:06
HappyFooli'll update it after i shower06:06
Seveasapokryphos, enabling backports just for this isn't too good :)06:06
chibifssubiiminal - Are you trying to install warty? You shouldn't need to select a kernel.06:06
apokryphosSeveas: why?06:06
Seveasthis works just as well, the BP package is created this way06:07
chibifsed1t - Firefox fonts need to be configured manually with the font config menu.06:07
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HappyFoolHajuu: maybe just do this 'sudo ln -s  /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java /usr/bin/java' to get java in your path06:07
subiiminalchibifs: hoary (5.0..)06:07
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ed1tchibifs, k06:07
chibifssubiiminal - linux-386 should work fine, I'm curious why it asked though. :/06:08
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subiiminalchibifs: iirc it didnt the first time, and errord and it has errord again :-/06:08
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apokryphosSeveas: the non-backport method is more of a hassle, it seems06:08
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chibifssubiiminal - Burn the cd slower. 8x max, I recommend 4.06:09
HajuuHappyFool:   http://pastebin.com/31969006:09
subiiminalchibifs: okay, ty06:09
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GIOJOTOCAhello06:09
chibifsChances are you burned too quick and corrupted a block of a compressed file.06:09
GIOJOTOCAgood morningth06:09
HappyFoolhmm, maybe i go the order wrong. stand by06:09
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HappyFoolHajuu: oh, you do have a /usr/bin/java06:10
HappyFoolHajuu: odd06:10
chibifsed1t - Firefox is really dodgy about custom fonts, it tends to only stick to font categories (Sans, Sans Serif, Monospace)06:10
HappyFoolHajuu: if you just run 'java' now, what happens?06:10
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HajuuSame thing... bash: /usr/bin/java: No such file or directory06:11
HappyFooloh, maybe /usr/bin/java got symlinked somewhere wrong06:11
ed1tchibifs, ooo k thx for your help06:11
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ed1tits not a big deal06:11
Hajuuhow very strange, eh?06:11
HappyFoolHajuu: 'sudo ln -sf  /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java /usr/bin/java'06:11
SeveasHajuu, what does which java say?06:11
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catolhDoes ubuntu support "Logitech Media Keyboard"  ? like, the volume keys and all that..?06:11
HappyFoolHajuu: the wiki doesn't have a 'fakeroot' -- maybe that's the problem06:12
HappyFoolHajuu: anyway, hopefully it's fixed now06:12
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HappyFoolcatolh: look under system -> preferences -> keyboard shortcuts06:12
HappyFoolcatolh: you can enable some stuff (volume control, e.g.) there06:12
zerboxxWhat is the command for esd to play a sound? is it esdplay $sound?06:12
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GIOJOTOCAi need you help in spanish06:13
didierhelo06:13
Hajuusudo ln -sf  /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java /usr/bin/java -- returns nothing.06:13
HappyFoolHajuu: that's fine06:13
HappyFoolHajuu: now type 'java' ?06:13
Hajuuoooh works now06:13
Hajuuwhat was the problem?06:13
HappyFoolzerboxx: maybe 'totem <the wav file>' -- i don't know if esd has a specific utility06:13
HappyFoolHajuu: /usr/bin/java is a symlink; they can point to non-existent files06:13
HappyFoolHajuu: which is probably what was happening06:14
zerboxxHappyFool: I'm just attempting to get x-chat and amsn to use esd, rather than..whatever they use06:14
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catolhHappyFool, thanks.. do you know any media players that supports the "next/previous track" shortcut? Cause xmms doesnt.06:14
Hajuuok so how did sudo ln -sf  /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java /usr/bin/java fix that?06:14
Hajuuwhats ln?06:14
simonkCan someone please explain the difference between universe, multiverse and restricted?06:14
Hajuuoh I see06:14
Hajuucool06:14
Hajuuthanks06:14
HappyFoolcatolh: um. not sure, maybe rhythmbox06:15
GIOJOTOCAhablan espaol06:15
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catolhHappyFool, ok, ill try it out. Thanks again :)06:15
HajuuOne more question. Anyone got any idea as to why my XMMS fails to connect to any ASX streaming audio?06:15
apokryphos!components06:15
ubotuhmm... components is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view06:15
HappyFoolzerboxx: ah, sorry. try aplay, maybe06:15
apokryphossimonk: check that link06:15
zerboxxCan someone please tellme, is this a recommended/not recommended sound fix? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3206306:15
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zerboxxHappyFool: Doesn't work06:15
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HappyFoolzerboxx: hmm. ok, sorry. my sound Just Works, don't know any hairy details06:16
zerboxxHappyFool: At least I don't believe it does :s06:16
catolhHappyFool, yay, rhythmbox supports it.. :D06:16
simonkapokryphos: Thanks! I've been looking all over for that page.06:16
simonkap06:16
simonkWhoops06:16
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acid2Hey there, I am trying to access a friends shared folder over the network06:17
acid2I've mounted his computer, but when I double click it on the desktop it doesnt open saying it could be "insecure"06:17
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Seveasteferi, awake yet..?06:23
Seveasor still drunk..? :)06:23
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suldalMy ubuntu doesn't detect dvds06:24
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suldalany thoughts?06:25
hybrid_gothdvd drive detected?06:25
suldalBy the way.... im a newbie06:25
suldalthe drive is detected and i can play anything but dvds06:25
hybrid_gothare the dvdsa compatiable; burned write; encrypted; copyrighted?06:26
yuachthey.,.,. i'm gonna switch my soundcard from my built-in crappy card to an old sb live! card.. what should i do to config this? i will first off just put it in the computer but then what?06:26
hybrid_gothor none of the above06:26
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hybrid_gothyuacht: is linux already installed06:26
suldali dont know. I just a couple of original dvd's06:26
suldaltryed06:26
yuachthybrid_goth, yes06:26
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qt2is there a simple way to find out your disk usage?06:26
yuachtdpkg-reconfig alsa or what?06:26
hybrid_gothyuacht: if it is supported you shouldnt have to do anything06:27
suldalcorection:  I just tryed a couple of dvdsvd's06:27
Seveasyuacht, it miht help to disable the onboard sound in the bios06:27
hybrid_gothlinux will recognize it on boot06:27
Seveasqt2, df -h06:27
hybrid_gothyuacht: maybe06:27
yuachtSeveas, will do that06:27
yuachtthanks06:27
yuachtbtw can i leave dmix on?06:27
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Seveasprobably06:27
yuachtthe point of switching to sb live is to make it use its default hardware mixing in the card06:27
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hybrid_gothsuldal: did you write them06:27
suldalwrite?06:28
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hybrid_gothare they pressed like Matrix box06:28
hybrid_gothsuldal: did you burn these dvds06:28
suldalno06:28
suldalall original06:28
hybrid_gothok06:28
hybrid_gothare the dvds compatiable; encrypted; copyrighted?06:29
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suldalhow do I tell?06:29
hybrid_gothSeveas: does ubuntu have a problem wite copywright>?06:29
Seveassuldal, did you install libdvdcss2 yet..?06:29
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hybrid_gothSeveas: yea that would help also06:29
Seveashybrid_goth, libdvdcss2 is not installed (or available) by default due to legal creepyness...06:29
hybrid_gothah06:29
suldalI dident know where to find it;)06:29
Kamzianyone got any info on how ubuntu compares to debian ??06:30
hybrid_gothsuldal: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss206:31
HappyFoolKamzi: ubuntu is based on debian, but has a six month release cycle06:31
hybrid_gothKamzi: newer more community no RTFM06:31
Kamziso ubuntu does everything debian does + more ?06:31
HappyFoolyeah, we have RTFWiki ;)06:31
hybrid_gothKamzi: debian = stable ubuntu = new06:31
Kamzirtfm ??06:31
Seveassuldal, wget http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/libdvdcss2_1.2.8-1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb06:31
hybrid_gothread the fsckin manual06:31
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Kamzikl06:31
Seveasand dpkg -i libdvdcss*.deb06:32
hybrid_gothSeveas: aint in apt?06:32
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Seveashybrid_goth, backports only06:32
hybrid_gothi thot it was in resticted06:32
Seveasthis is simpler :)06:32
hybrid_gothah06:32
hybrid_gothlol06:32
SeveasKamzi: Ubuntu and debian have different goals, a different release schedule and different, but overlapping communities. See also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship06:32
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Seveashybrid_goth, rtfm'ing people is not-done no this channel...06:32
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hybrid_gothKamzi: if you want stable OS  go with debian. If you want a desktop go with ubuntu06:32
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DPadclearIf I have the three source files (dsc, diff, tar), what command do I issue to make a .deb?06:33
hybrid_gothSeveas: some debian devs get POed at ubuntu06:33
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Kamzicheers06:33
satyamhi all06:33
Seveashybrid_goth, PO?06:33
satyami am new to ubuntu, need to compile a C program06:33
hybrid_gothSeveas: pissed off06:34
Seveashybrid_goth, and y the way: bullshit. Ubuntu is just as stable as debian....06:34
satyamwhats the equevalent command for gcc in REDHAT06:34
hybrid_gothsatyam: cc <program> if you made it06:34
Seveassatyam, sudo apt-get install build-essential06:34
hybrid_gothsatyam: gcc or cc06:34
Seveasthat installs tools like gcc06:34
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satyamgcc or cc doesnt works06:35
satyamsays command not found06:35
Seveassatyam, sudo apt-get install build-essential <---06:35
dammagehi, can some tell me why after installation grub just ends up with error 17 please?06:35
hybrid_gothsatyam: look what Seveas said06:35
dammageI have a swap partition (hda1) and / - ext3 (hda2), nothing else06:35
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suldalSevas: I installed yours, what else needs to be done. It still wont recognice dvd's06:36
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tuxJr_14hi06:36
DPadclearThis is truly bazaar. Does no one here know how to build debs?06:36
Seveasdammage, looks like your grub config is messed up, can you boot from a live CD and post it06:36
dammagehi06:36
pele1410howto06:36
dammageI am currently sitting in MEPIS live CD06:36
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SeveasDPadclear, sudo apt-get install maint-guide and look in /usr/share/doc/maint-guide06:36
dammageand chrooted also into ubuntu06:36
satyamis it that i need to install some compiler in ubuntu06:36
dammagemoment06:37
Seveasdammage, ah nice, way ahead of me then :)06:37
Seveassatyam, sudo apt-get install build-essential <---06:37
Seveaslisten!06:37
satyamya06:37
NoHopehi all06:37
chrys_serenhi, i just messed up something idiotic: moved all files out of /bin ...06:37
Seveaschrys_seren, omg....06:37
Seveaswhere to?06:37
chrys_serenwould someone be able to paste a directory listing somewhere?06:37
chrys_seren(to /usr/local/bin...)06:37
NoHopehey, some doc about ubuntu initialization system?06:37
chrys_sereni wanted to move ./bin/* and moved /bin/*06:38
Seveaschrys_seren, hehe06:38
chrys_serenrunning a warty install with most packages upgraded to hoary06:38
dammagewait a moment - this machine is too slow to run Mozilla and KDE live, ill post devices.map and menu.lst06:38
Seveasdid you have a lot in /usr/local/bin already?06:38
dammagefstab also06:38
suldalSeveas: I installed yours, what else needs to be done. It still wont recognice dvd's06:38
Seveasdammage, post `fdisk -l` too06:38
satyamhey seveas what to do after this06:38
Seveassatyam, after that you have gcc...06:38
Seveasbrb..06:38
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chrys_serener... i messed up more ... moved the stuff from /usr/local/bin to /usr/bin.... pure panic ...06:39
dammageok06:39
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chrys_serenso i don't know any more what was originally in   /bin/06:39
Seveaschrys_seren, /usr/local/bin usually does not conatin too much06:39
HappyFoolmy /usr/local/bin contains nothing06:40
chrys_serenSeveas, i know, and i'd have had my my entire /bin/ there if i hadn't compounded the error...06:40
Seveaschrys_seren, you should simply do: /usr/local/bin/mv /usr/local/bin/* /bin06:40
Seveaschrys_seren, ewww, now you moved all to /usr/bin ....?06:40
othernoobmmh, is there a way to make k3b not use the name "k3b data project" by default and use a diff one instead?06:40
chrys_serenSeveas, i know i ought to have done that. /usr/local/bin originally had only two small scripts.06:41
chrys_serenbut now everything is in /usr/bin/06:41
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Seveaschrys_seren, hmm, bad news, hang on06:41
chrys_serenso... machine is running b/c i copied /usr/bin to /bin/.. but that's not sustainable06:41
chrys_sereni'd just do with a directory listing for /bin/06:41
dammagea small question: chrooted env cannot acces /proc, what do I have to do to get fdisk -l?06:41
subiiminalcan i check an install cd on windows, before i reboot?06:41
chrys_serenso that i know what to keep there (sh, bash... ls...)06:41
chrys_serenit's not much06:41
Seveaschrys_seren, hang on06:42
chrys_serenSeveas, thanks06:42
Seveashttp://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/74106:42
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Seveasthat's an ls -al /bin06:42
chrys_serenSeveas, thanks, you're an angel06:42
Seveashehe06:42
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chrys_seren(love ubuntu, otherwise... install it where i can)06:43
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rndrdbrianQuick question if you may:  Trying to add a cups printer using the print manager, the "Add a Printer" dialogue appears, but it has no buttons or icons on it.06:43
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Crembohmmm. Ubuntu - linux - for practically the first time. what a doozy. booted the live version off the super combo DVD. took 30 seconds to "configuring your network via DHCP". still had to figure out how to enable eth0, but no troubles after that. now to figure out how to raise screen refresh rate above 60Hz..06:45
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teferii'm awake, i'm awake06:45
teferii'll update the wiki when i get home from the party. that is six hours in the future.06:45
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qt2what is /.dev used for, and why's it using up 33gb? <.<;06:45
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dammageso, i pasted everything: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/74206:46
vader1102qt2: wow!! I wouldn't even have a system if it was on that lol, only have a 6 gb hard disk lol06:46
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HappyFoolqt2: my / and /.dev have exactly the same used/available space -- i suspect it's being double-counted06:47
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HappyFoolqt2: about, look in 'mount' -- there's a 'bind' mount option06:48
qt2vader1102, heh, which is why i'm wondering what it is and why it's taking up so much space, as my hard drive is now full... ;)06:48
HappyFools/about/ah06:48
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rndrdbriananyone? Problems adding printer06:48
qt2HappyFool, i dtill dont understand what it's for exactly o.O;06:49
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dammageSeveas, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/74206:50
HappyFoolqt2: i wouldn't worry about it -- i don't think it's real06:50
qt2rndrdbrian, tried to use synaptic to do a complete remove of cups and reinstall it?06:50
teferiHappyFool: /dev is a tmpfs06:50
qt2HappyFool, it is if it's taking up a large amount of space... <.<;06:50
teferiHappyFool: /.dev is a bind mount of antoher filesystem, I think, so that udev information doesn't get lost across reboots06:50
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rndrdbrianqt2, thanks! I'll give that a shot!06:51
dammagemoment, I'll reboot06:51
Seveasdammage, is your bios maybe a bit old06:52
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Seveasmaybe it needs LBA support switched on06:52
dammageSeveas, I had no problems with older distributions ...06:52
Seveasok, so that's not it :)06:52
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dammageand the BIOS is 1998, well, yeah, but it supports LBA and so on06:52
Seveaserror 17 is 'cannot mount partition'06:52
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wrtpeepshow do i mount my network, which i have found at smb://192.168.0.106:52
rndrdbrianqt2, according to synaptic, that will remove ubuntu-desktop!06:53
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Seveasbut the files you pasted all look good06:53
dammageyeah, I know, but why shouldnt it be able to mount my partition?06:53
Seveasdammage, ENOIDEA (yet)06:53
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qt2rndrdbrian, you can reinstall ubuntu desktop rather easily i think... o.o;06:53
dammageis it possible because of kernel 2.6?06:53
dammagei could try kernel 2.06:53
dammage406:53
HappyFoolqt2: maybe teferi knows more; my point is, i don't think there's a file system really taking up 33GB -- i think it's reporting the usage of / under a different name06:53
Seveasno it's a grub problem06:54
Seveasnot a linux problem06:54
dammageok06:54
Seveas17 : Cannot mount selected partition06:54
Seveas    This error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the filesystem type cannot be recognized by GRUB.06:54
teferiSeveas: itym 'EAGAIN' :)06:54
qt2rndrdbrian, read the description of ubuntu-desktop.06:54
dammageok, thank you for your support06:55
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rndrdbrianqt2, ive uninstalled cupsys, ubuntu-desktop etc and i'm reinstalling.... so far, no crashes!06:55
Seveasdammage, try setting the partition type with cfdisk06:55
dammagecfdisk? moment06:55
deFrysk06:55
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naliothSeveas: howdy howdy06:55
dammagekinda cfdisk /dev/hda?06:56
rndrdbrianqt2, printer management applet still shows blank "Add Printer" dialogue...06:56
Seveasdammage, correct06:56
Seveashi nalioth06:56
dammageFATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive06:56
dammage                          Press any key to exit cfdisk06:56
Seveasdammage, as root ..?06:56
naliothdammage: you have to use 'sudo'06:56
dammageas root in chroot06:56
Seveasdammage, odd :|06:56
dammageah, in livecd env i have no problems, moment06:56
Seveaswere you root outside the chroot too?06:57
dammagehda1                    Primary   Linux swap / Solaris               600.4506:57
dammage    hda2                    Primary   Linux ext3       [/]               7197.1206:57
HappyFoolmaybe the /dev/hd* entry isn't in the chroot06:57
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teferiyou know, i wish linux programs would be a little more careful with their use of terms like "FATAL"06:58
Seveasteferi, lol :)06:58
HappyFoolheh06:58
teferipeople tend to freak out when their computer tells them "FATAL = VERY YES"06:58
Seveasteferi, now that you are awake:06:58
teferiand to be honest, i can't blame them06:58
Seveas<teferi> Seveas: remind me to update BinaryDriverHowto for slmodem tomorrow, please06:58
Seveas<teferi> Seveas: and to write BluetoothHowto or osmething06:58
dammageand what kind of type should I setup if it is already linux ext3 :)?06:58
H00chsterWould anyone know why when I try to use vanilla kernel 2.6.12 or 2.6.13-rc3 on Kubu AMD64 and reboot, my main drive is fine but I have /home on /dev/hdb1 and for some reason it doesn't mount it?06:58
teferiSeveas: yes, when i get home06:58
Seveas:)06:58
Seveasdammage, indeed, should be ok06:59
phixionSeveas, you should write a guide for ubuntu users06:59
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phixionwould save you so much time in here :)06:59
dammageI'll try lilo - with lilo everything worked here one year ago ...06:59
teferiphixion: wiki.ubuntu.com06:59
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Seveasdammage, do you have a e2fs_stage1_5 in /boot/gtub?06:59
dammageSeveas, checking ...06:59
Seveas(in the chroot ofcourse)07:00
Seveas(and it's /boot/grub)07:00
naliothphixion: seveas has written a guide >>>wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation07:00
Seveasnalioth, that's not mine07:00
dammage-rw-r--r--  1 root root   7744 2005-07-24 12:49 e2fs_stage1_507:00
SeveasI've actually not written a lot on the wiki07:00
Seveasdammage, damn, that was my last idea :(07:00
dammagehehe, k, thank you, I'll try to install lilo now07:01
dammagemoment07:01
timwhat does it mean when something breaks? from ubuntuforums.org: "Breezy will break, often..." I just dont understand how software could 'break'.07:01
dammagegotta add remote repos to apt07:01
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rndrdbrianSo i'm unable to install printer07:01
hybrid_gothtim: bugs flaws etc07:01
teferitim: it is probable that after you do a dist-upgrade and, say, restart X, X will no longer start07:01
Seveastim, it's actually: "developers tend to break the breezy software a lot during improvements that require radical changes"07:01
teferi(with breezy)07:01
naliothSeveas: you have had NOTHING to do with the wiki?07:01
teferior that your MTA will no longer delvier mail07:01
hybrid_gothtim: X is broken so you GUI (gnome kde xfce) may never work07:02
teferior that...well, you get the idea07:02
naliothSeveas: i find that very hard to believe07:02
lordfreakohhhhhh07:02
teferithings will misbehave07:02
Seveasnalioth, look at wiki.u.c/DennisKaarsemaker07:02
Seveasit has links to all I have written07:02
lordfreak anyone knows if its posible to put an Image to show in GAIM ???07:02
dammage5.04 is hoary, right?07:02
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Seveasand sure I edited a few pages a bit, but not that much...07:02
Seveasdammage, correct07:02
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timok ok...i see. thanks07:02
H00chsterIs anyone running AMD64 with Vanilla Kernel?07:02
Seveaslordfreak, it is07:02
lordfreakOhhhh xD07:02
naliothSeveas: so you're telling me that all the info you impart in here, doesnt make it into the wiki by helpful little elvi? (such as myself?)07:02
ccclordfreak: yes, under 'accounts'07:02
hybrid_gothlordfreak: #gaim?07:03
nJesshow do i install nfs ?07:03
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lordfreakSeveas.... You again.... The best :*07:03
amelhello!07:03
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lordfreakJAJAJAJA07:03
Seveaslordfreak, tools -> accounts, select account, hit edit07:03
SeveasnJess, aptitude install nfs-kernel-server (nfs client is there already)07:03
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qt2rndrdbrian, why would it crash...?07:03
lordfreakI am still Tuning my Ubuntu..... Thanks Seveas :P ccc and co07:03
lordfreakIam going to try07:04
Seveasnalioth, most info I have comes from the wiki or is developed on the wiki in parallel :)07:04
ameli did a: mysqladmin -u root password db_user_password, in order to install mysql, but what is the password of the user?07:04
qt2rndrdbrian, and honestly, i have no idea as to the problem, perhaps someone else could help you more, that seems like a rather odd one.07:04
wdhhi ppls.. i've been trying to unmount an unused partition.. 'mount' complains about it being used and 'fuser' doesnt list anything using it.. Does anyone have any ideas left?07:04
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wdhof course i could reboot, but i just don't feel like it :P07:04
teferiwdh: you have a shell open that has a directory on the partition as its current working directory07:04
Seveaswdh, lsof | grep /mountpoint/ show nothing too?07:04
tefericheck your terminal windowsa07:04
timmight it be possible that my X11 is broken? ive editted the config to only display 1280x1024, but when ever i start it up, always 1280x768(so all my stuff is really skinny)07:05
wdhSeveas, it does, thx :P07:05
dammageok, updating the tree ...07:05
amelcan anyone tell me that?07:05
MagiPinkHuh... I don't think Ubuntu likes my video card. :307:05
teferiwdh: was i right, out of curiosity?07:05
wdhbut wth is 'gam_serve'?07:05
Seveasamel, #mysql perhaps07:05
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Seveaswdh, gamin, file alteration monitor07:05
wdhteferi, you weren't right07:05
naliothwdh: do you run kubuntu?07:05
rndrdbriananyone?  The "Add a Printer" dialogue appears, but it is blank07:05
hybrid_gothMagiPink: Ubuntu doesnt like anything it is a very angry distro07:05
wdhnalioth, nope..07:06
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teferisorry07:06
naliothwdh: hmm do you run any kde apps?07:06
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MagiPinkIt won't let me play 3D games... Heh.07:06
dammageUse LBA32 for addressing big disks using new BIOS features (liloconfig asks) , hdd is 8.5 Gigs small, should I say yes or no?07:06
wdhnalioth, sometimes07:06
Seveasnalioth, gam_serve isn't KDE specific :)07:06
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Seveasdammage, yes07:07
vader1102I may try kubuntu sometime soon, right now just getting used to Ububtu period lol07:07
dammageok07:07
wdhSeveas, gam_serve seems to think it needs to preserve some Trash-file07:07
Seveaswdh, simply kill gam_serve :)07:07
naliothwdh: iirc, gam_server has something to do with kde file managment/organization07:07
dammagegrr (in chroot): Fatal: open /dev/hda2: Permission denied07:07
cccH00chster: i am (amd64 on hoary x86)07:07
digitalfoxnalioth, both KDE and GNOME07:08
H00chsterccc: Have you compiled a vanilla kernel?07:08
digitalfoxnalioth, what it does is notify nautilus/konq of changes in the file system07:08
Crembowow, hehehe. so I got Ubuntu live to work. first time with linux. took a while to configure my network through DHCP, then threw it out the windows - I had to figure out how to enable eth0 myself. meanwhile, the screen is stuck at 60hz and the default screensaver is taxing my radeon9800 so hard my fans go all the way up to "real noisy".07:08
Seveasdammage, before chrooting: mount -o bind /dev /chroot/dev07:08
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naliothwdh: see digitalfox's answer07:08
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digitalfoxtry killing gam_server then mv'ing a file to your desktop from commandline07:09
digitalfoxit won't show up07:09
Seveas:)07:09
digitalfoxuntil you refresh your desktop07:09
dammageok, moment, thanks for the hint (i did a plain chroot)07:09
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wdhgam_serve doesnt seem to get killed :S07:09
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Seveasdammage, mount -o bind /proc /chroot/proc will help too07:09
digitalfoxwdh, sometimes it hangs for no reason07:09
Seveaswdh, it's gam_server07:09
cccH00chster: no, sorry07:09
rndrdbrianhmmm, managed to add printer via localhost:63107:09
naliothwdh: i kill mine all the time07:10
NerullHi can anyone help me on a good howto to put up an e-mail server?07:10
wdhSeveas, it just comes up with another PID and still seems to lock /windows07:10
wdh(the dir i wanted to unmount/delete)07:10
dammageSeveas, whereby /chroot is my ubuntu mount point, right?07:10
H00chsterccc: thanks for the reply, was trying to clean up kernel and install ATI drivers etc, boots fine to default kernel, but vanilla boots up and even into KDE login, but I have /home mounted from /dev/hdb1 and it doens't mount it for some reason, all is fine in /etc/fstab etc any ideas?07:10
timim trying to find some gnome panel 'plugins'...you know, those little buttons that launch or display stuff. what is the correct name for these items so that i can search for them?07:11
NerullQuikstart07:11
naliothtim: panel applets07:11
timahh, applets. thank you07:11
rndrdbrianbizzarre, anyway, at least printer works now.07:11
Seveasdammage, correct07:11
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dammageReading boot sector from /dev/hda2 - and then the fatal error, hmm, but i have an idea07:12
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NerullHi can anyone help me on a good howto to put up an e-mail server?07:12
dammagemaybe it is because of mounted hda2, i'll try to install it to a floppy07:12
dabaRNerull: google likely. Or the wiki.07:12
dammagewhat should I specify as a floppy - root or boot in the configuration file?07:12
NerulldabaR Wiki stands for ?07:13
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dabaRwiki.ubuntu.com07:13
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NerullI know but i was wondering where Wiki stands for.07:13
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cccH00chster: sorry for my reply slowness :) but that's weird. you're sure the fstab is correct? then i have no idea.07:14
dabaRwhat? You mean, you want to know the meaning of the word wiki?07:14
NerullYes.07:14
regeya_wiki-wiki == fast07:14
dabaRNerull: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki07:14
H00chsterccc: ya fstab is the same as the default kernel and it mounts fine, it is proc first then my boot drive for root /  and then /home  so it is in order.  Gotta be something in kernel but I am lost lmao, thanks for the help!07:14
ateves_is anyone using sidecandy plugins for gdesklets?07:14
regeya_as in this quote from Blue Hawaii starring Elvis Presley:  "Wiki-wiki, to the beach!"07:14
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dabaRfor words, en.wikipedia.org, for searches, google.07:15
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icemananyone know where i can find benchmarks comparing a P4 2.8 Ghz ... to a AMD 64  2800 ..... compared ...07:16
vader1102well all it is time for me to go and eat a littl bit of lunch; see you in an hour or so07:16
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qt2iceman, google.07:16
dabaRiceman: google?07:16
dabaRvader1102: see ya.07:16
gigacloniceman goole07:16
dabaRhaha, three diff autocompletions.07:17
vader1102iceman: google works great!07:17
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lonetreehello all07:17
Une-ga-dihianyone know how to have ThunderBird check /var/mail?07:17
qt2i was first, they rest of you are all just copycat googlers ;)07:18
dabaRgood question.07:18
dabaRqt2: You are lucky I had to go to the washroom.07:18
dabaRand also happy for the same reason07:18
icemanWOW... the AMD is above a p4 3.2 ... nice upgrade i have in the works ...07:18
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Hajuuheyy07:19
HajuuUm.07:19
gigaclonthere are 10 types of people in the world, those who use google and those that don't07:19
dabaRya, cant wait to get my super duper fast blazin amazin processor myself...07:19
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mbirkis_iceman: what was the url to the benchmark?07:19
dabaRhi all.07:19
HappyFoolrandomercuser07:19
HappyFooloops07:19
icemanhttp://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=3307:19
NerullSo ubuntu have like 3 stages (Warty Warthog, Hoary Hedgehog and Breezy Badger) but how can i get my system to run as a development (Breezy badger) release ?07:19
qt2dabaR, heh, not really, i'm jsut happily sitting here listening to a podcast. ;)07:20
thenukeNerull: no you do not want to have breezy.07:20
mbirkis_gigaclon: lol... it kinda lost it's meening with! :D07:20
dabaRNerull: why, tho?07:20
Nerullthenuke why not ?07:20
thenukeNerull: :-) if you can handle it, you know how to do it ;)07:20
thenukeNerull: it will brake.07:20
Nerulllol07:20
HappyFoolNerull: somewhere on www.ubuntulinux.org, there's probably an install CD07:20
dabaRqt2: what, you are not happy I pseudo went washroom07:20
thenukeNerull: it will break I mean t say07:20
HajuuI am on a dialup connection and because the Gnome dialup program sucks majorly.. I'm using pon and poff... But uhm.. I never get told when my connection has been disconnected... Is there an applet or something for this?07:20
thenukeNerull: and its not matter of LOL07:20
NerullHappyFool the only version i can find if Hoary Hedgehog.07:21
thenukeNerull: you aint developer :P it is not for you ;) sorry ;)07:21
HappyFoolNerull: alternatively, install hoary, change /etc/apt/sources.list to point to breezy instead of hoary and do a 'dist-upgrade'07:21
dabaRHappyFool: an install cd for breeezy? I doubt it.07:21
dammageok, ive got an idea, installing lilo on floppy ... formatting :)07:21
HappyFoolNerull: look for 'colony' cds; i think that's what they're called07:21
dabaRthenuke: well, there is ppl that are not developers that use it.07:21
thenukedabaR: well, some of them know how to handle it.07:21
dabaRNerull: why use it? there is nothing special, just more trouble.07:21
NerullIndeed its only for the newest releases of packages that i wanna have :)07:21
thenukedabaR: and they who do know how to, absolutely wont ask the chanell about how to upgrade :D07:22
wdhYAY, i finally managed to unmount the partition held locked by gam_server. I had to run 'killall gam_server' and 'umount' in one line  a few times :P07:22
HappyFoolNerull: gentoo may be more to your taste; or debian testing/unstable07:22
thenukeNerull: how about the backports then?07:22
dabaRagreed on those points first time you said it, thenuke07:22
NerullI dont know anything about that thenuke07:22
qt2dabaR, err, that's really your business, not mine.07:22
dabaRwdh, you are now a hacker like the rest of us...07:22
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dabaRqt2: come on, rejoice, dude.07:22
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qt2dabaR, i'm sure i will someday.07:23
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rndrdbrianthanks for the help re: printer, I now have it working.07:23
qt2dabaR, now its my turn to go to the tangible washroom ;)07:23
dabaRHappyFool: you have weird suggestions.07:23
rndrdbrianadded cupsys to shadow in /etc/group, which let me add the printer using localhost:631 webadmin07:23
HappyFooldabaR: yzat?07:23
dabaRqt2: wow, I am so happy:)07:23
dabaRlol07:23
dabaRall right, enough about that.07:24
dabaRHappyFool: well, you saw how noone else told him how to upgrade, and you did.07:24
thenukeNerull: add these to your sources07:24
thenukedeb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted07:24
thenukedeb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted07:24
Hajuuhey uhm... Anyone know something I can use to record streaming audio directly to MP3 file?07:24
BollocksMacenzieAnyone ever installed Unreal Tournament under ubuntu? Having a little trouble running it.07:24
HappyFooldabaR: *shrug* if people have been warned, i see no reason to stand in their way07:24
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sophtpawdoes anyone have any experience of how ubuntu functions with dial-up?07:24
dabaRthen, also, maybe gentoo is more for you is a weird thing to say.07:24
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thenukeNerull: because I really doubt that you really want to try to break your system ;)07:24
Hajuusophtpaw:  I do.07:25
sophtpawok07:25
HappyFoolnot everyone has the same requirements; some people like to play with bleeding edge software07:25
dabaRBollocksMacenzie: yes, any people have installed it.07:25
thenukebreezy is under development, it is not stable :)07:25
BollocksMacenziesophtpaw: Yep, what do you need?07:25
NerullSo if i use those reps i would be okay ?07:25
pking1977I am having a strange problem installing ubuntu.. The cd stops right after you hit enter for a normal install07:25
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dabaRHappyFool: agreed. Still ubuntu is as good a choice as any:) jj, cool.07:25
pking1977has anyone had anything remotely close to that?07:25
Nerullthenuke so if i use these i would be okay ?07:25
sophtpawHajuu-its just one on the community forum, someone said that ubuntu likes a fat pipe (broadband) or something07:26
HajuuYeah...07:26
HajuuUm.07:26
dammageSeveas, how can I access host's /dev/ devices in chroot? I have access denied to all /chroot/dev devices ...07:26
HajuuDon't use the GNOME connection manager.07:26
sophtpawI'm trying to get a friend to emigrate from windoze to ubuntu, but he's concerned because he only has dial-up07:26
dabaRpking1977: the intallation cd can get corrupted if downloading the iso from the web.07:26
HappyFoolpking1977: hmm, sounds awkward. Do you have windows or another linux/other OS installed?07:26
thenukeNerull: yup, although it is possible that those backports two can break something but if that happens, they will only break one or two programs on your box. and you can easily fix it up then07:26
HajuuUse the command line "pon" "poff" and "pppconfig"07:26
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sophtpawi want to be able to  reassure him07:26
dabaRpking1977: verify its md5sum or something.07:26
BollocksMacenziedebaR: It says...dirname: too few arguments *then* Couldn't run Unreal Tournament (ut-bin). Is UT_DATA_PATH set?07:26
HajuuWell i'm on dialup right now.07:26
HajuuRuns better than it did on windows.07:26
Hajuu:)07:26
dammagee.g. user@chroot# fdformat /dev/fd0 - permission denied07:26
sophtpawhehe07:27
zthwhat's the terminal command to get the mouse running? using usb and forgot to plug it in before start07:27
HajuuJust not so good for doing multiple things simultaniously07:27
thenukeNerull: backports have newest versions of most common packages, so I think that those are what you need07:27
HajuuCause' its flow control is somewhat impaired.07:27
dabaRthenuke: leave backports commented out when not gettting a program from them.07:27
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sophtpawk07:27
dabaRHajuu: what was your question again?07:27
Hajuu"Anyone know something I can use to record streaming audio directly to MP3 file? On linux ofcourse."07:28
sexcopter8000mhow can i clear the drop-down list of previous searches in the search for files thing in ubuntu?07:28
BollocksMacenzieHas anyone got any ideas on what to do?07:28
dabaRah, well, did you ask synaptic?07:28
dammage... or what variable do I have to modify to make the host system to find libraries in /chroot/lib?07:28
HajuuHow do I do that? just search for recorder? :/07:29
Hajuulol07:29
dabaRstreamripper07:29
dabaRor something.07:29
dmk2004ubuntu hoary x64  - ATI Drivers available via synaptic?07:29
BollocksMacenzieAh! I've got to go... L8R...07:29
dabaRstream is a good keyword there.07:29
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HajuuOk found one tool for it.. but its only for shoutcast stations...07:29
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qt2Hajuu, streamripper?07:30
dabaRHajuu: see that is elling you to switch to shoutcast;07:30
yuachtok, how do i set up dmix for soundblaster? currently it's set up for nforce 2 cards (what i used before=07:30
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HajuuSwitch to shoutcast? :/ Oh ok.. I'll go tell the radio station that, dabar. :P07:30
qt2Hajuu, what exactly are you trying to do?07:31
HajuuCan't I just configure gnome-sound-recorder to record the same data going to the lineout as opposed to capturing from the line in or mic line?07:31
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dabaRsexcopter8000m: wait07:31
Hajuuqt2:  I'm listening to a digital stream of a radio station through Xine.. and I want to record it :)07:32
naliothHajuu: streamripper07:32
HajuuStreamripper is just for shoutcast.07:32
Hajuu(according to synaptic)07:33
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HajuuAnd this uses ASX07:33
naliothHajuu: mmsclient07:33
nJessHajuu, just try it07:33
Hajuummsclient eg07:33
Hajuueh07:33
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HajuuNot found on my apt-get07:33
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qt2Hajuu, streamtuner.07:35
Hajuui'll give it a go :)07:35
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dmk2004ubuntu hoary x64  - ATI Drivers available via synaptic?07:36
HappyFooldmk2004: not sure; have you tried the instructions on the wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto page?07:37
HajuuGr.. Another problem (my ONLY problem i'm having with ubuntu might I add :D) my dialup seems to suffer from severe flow control problems or something... So if one application is using my internet connection rather intensely, nothing else can use it... I'm using "pon" and "poff" to connect... Anyone have any ideas?07:37
Seveasdmk2004, if they are, they're in the restricted-modules packages07:37
naliothHajuu: no, you07:37
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Hajuuno, me?07:38
nalioth'll have to google it or search on sourceforge.net for it07:38
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Hajuuoh yeah found the page...07:38
Hajuusounds.. complicated heh07:38
qt2nalioth, he probably prefers to stick to apt-get... ;)07:38
HajuuPretty much.07:38
HajuuI am not good at compiling etc etc.07:39
naliothqt2: well, mmxclient, mmsrip, and other microsoft rippers dont seem to be smiled upon for inclusion with the pkgs07:39
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naliothHajuu: well mmsclient is a very simple compile (and there are other forks of it)07:39
subiiminalwhats the su password be default?07:39
qt2nalioth, heh, and your answer to w32codecs? ;)07:39
apokryphossubiiminal: no root; Ubuntu uses sudo07:40
apokryphos!rootsudo07:40
ubotuI heard rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo07:40
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typoanyone know what's up with xkb in breezy?07:40
hybridcompiling gives you thing apt doesnt07:41
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thesilentkillerwhat is the UI equivalent of apt-get?07:42
Seveassynaptic07:42
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Razor-Xthesilentkiller: apt-get _is_ a UI ;)07:42
hybrid thesilentkiller: synaptic07:42
thesilentkiller:-?07:42
apokryphosthesilentkiller: Synaptic, Kynaptic, KPackage07:42
Razor-Xthe GUI equivalent is Synaptic07:42
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SeveasRazor-X, I assume he meant GUI ;)07:42
Razor-Xor Kynaptic if you're on KDE07:42
Razor-XUI == User Interface07:43
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hybridsynaptic is  a front end to apt thats a front end to dpkg07:43
Razor-XGUI == Command Line Interface07:43
thesilentkillergrrr...Razor-X ok....GUI07:43
thesilentkillerX(07:43
Razor-X;)07:43
Razor-Xerrr!07:43
zaphandsHello everyone! How I add a TV capture card to my Ubuntu machine?07:43
Razor-XGUI == Graphical User Interface07:43
Razor-Xwoops, that was stupid07:43
thesilentkilleromg....07:43
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Crembohey everyone! from Ubuntu live, how do I access my NTFS partitions?07:43
dabaRCrembo: mount it07:44
zaphandsCrembo - Read Only07:44
yuachtwhere can i find the messages that scrolls at startup?07:44
chrissturmyuacht: dmesg07:44
Cremboread only is fine. mount it - how? I'm a complete linux newbie. that's why I went for the live version, for fear of mucking my system up.07:44
SeveasCrembo, mount -t ntfs /dev/your_ntfs_drive /path/to/mountpoint -o umask=000007:44
typoanyone know why gnome complains about not being able to use xkb in breezy?07:44
SeveasCrembo: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically07:44
yuachtchrissturm, tried that, doesn't show it all07:44
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Seveasthat may be easier :)07:44
chrissturmtypo: because X is broken in breezy07:45
zaphandsdoes anyone know how to install new hardware?07:45
CremboSeveas: might need to wait until I actually install Ubuntu, this way I could download and configure things :007:45
chrissturmyuacht: /var/log/kernel.log07:45
Cremboone thing's bothering me though, and that's the screen refresh rate being stuck at 60Hz and some oddities with graphical acceleration07:45
hybridis it say to install pkgs from a livecd?07:45
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Crembohow can I raise my screen refresh rates?07:45
SeveasCrembo, that's better on installed syste,s07:45
Seveassystems*07:45
zaphandsCrembo - Yodea Ivrit?07:46
SeveasCrembo: To find out how you can change your display resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto07:46
Crembozaphans: ,     .07:46
zaphands -07:46
SeveasCrembo, stick to english in here please...07:46
typochrissturm: heh, that would be a good reason07:46
redloungehi anyone. someone can tell me if it is bad for some daemons (e.g. apache mysql..) if i do not shutdown them properly?07:46
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zaphandsEFnet #linux.il07:46
BRKN_LDRi'm getting a problem with this module:07:46
Seveasredlounge, yes07:46
Crembozaphands: alright, thank you.07:46
BRKN_LDRUnpacking realtime-lsm (from .../realtime-lsm_0.1.1-5_all.deb) ... / Setting up realtime-lsm (0.1.1-5) ... / Loading Realtime Linux Security Module: not found07:46
Seveasyour mysql DB's can get f*ed up07:46
BRKN_LDRwhy the hell does xchat not give you the option to automatically remove carriage returns from pastes.07:46
redloungeSeveas, ok. short answer. what can happen? isnt the kill command at shutdown ok?07:47
BRKN_LDRcan anyone give me any advise on the installation of my realtime module?07:47
dodoptotroni have trouble mounting my primary linux partition hda2. what should i write in fstab to be able to mount it?07:47
Seveasredlounge, on shutdown all initscripts are called to shut them down properly...07:47
Razor-XBRKN_LDR: that's not just XChat, that's quite a few other clients07:47
redloungeSeveas, unless i remove them from my rc6.d...07:47
Hajuuhey um... that streamripper program doesn't work with ASX's either.07:47
Seveasredlounge, that's why you shouldn't do that...07:48
HajuuAnyone know a program that can record streaming audio from ASX's?07:48
redloungeSeveas, ;) ok. i just wanted to know what can happen to apache if i do so07:48
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Razor-XHajuu: you can always convert to ASX from another format07:48
HajuuHuh?07:49
HajuuConvert to asx?07:49
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HajuuI want to record this streaming audio... Not convert to ASX...07:49
Razor-XHajuu: is there a difference?07:49
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Razor-Xif you record to another format, and then convert to ASX, what's the difference?07:50
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hybridRazor-X: converting loses quality07:50
qt2Hajuu, open up the .asx in a text editor, there should be a url in it, use it.07:50
HajuuI don't want to convert to asx at all.. I don't care what its saved as.. The point is that I want to bloody save this STREAMING audio...07:50
HajuuIt's a continuous stream.. not a single file that can just be downloaded.07:51
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Razor-XHajuu: then, open up the stream, and record it using some other program07:51
Hajuuqt2:  I have the url... But it's streaming.. so I need something to record it with in real time.07:51
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Razor-XAudacity has nice record support07:51
HajuuRazor-X:  Back to my question.. "Anyone know of something that can record from an ASX stream" lol07:51
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Razor-Xsimply hit record, and open up the stream, and remove the parts you don't need later on07:51
CarlFKHajuu - mplayer -dumpstream07:51
qt2Hajuu, i realized that, but  the asx is just a holding format, it has another url inside it, that most likely, isnt asx.07:51
Hajuuaudacity eh?07:51
Hajuuqt2:  Ofcourse it is.07:52
HajuuThe file on their server they are recording to is just an ASX07:52
CarlFKHajuu - there is also something like streamrip or ripstream - but mplayer has worked for me07:52
Hajuuwhich then gets streamed out directly07:52
chibifsstreamripper is best for it. :P07:52
Hajuumy mplayer is all broken.. so thats a no-go07:52
CarlFKHajuu - url?07:52
HajuuStreamripper is not for ASX.07:53
Hajuuurl to what?07:53
concept10There is a lot of updates today07:53
CarlFKHajuu - that you are trying to save07:53
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CarlFKHajuu - why not try to fix mplayer?  that seems like something you will do anyway07:53
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Hajuumms://202.6.74.109/triplej07:54
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HajuuCause I don't like mplayer and never use it for anything. So it isn't worth the effort.07:54
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CarlFKheh - it is now ;)07:54
HajuuNot for one purpose.07:54
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nJessisn't xine an mplayer gui07:55
nJess?07:55
citrusno totaly different program07:55
HajuuNo xine is a sound engine like mplayer.07:55
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Hajuuxine-ui is it's gui.07:55
KyralVLC...07:56
Kyraland anyone know how I would force a version of Totem?07:56
catolhIs there an application for opening *.rar files? and files packaged and divided into *.rar , *.r00 , *.r01 etc?07:56
Hajuuoh wow. Got my mplayer going.07:56
KyralI swear, I cycle through Xine, Totem, and VLC on a daily basis :D07:56
Kyralcatolh, its unrar07:56
SeveasKyral, in synaptic select the package and use package -> force version (or lock version if you want to force the current)07:56
Kyralit will piece them together07:56
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dabaRKyral: man apt-get07:56
hybridKyral: apt-get -f install <pkg> i think07:56
dabaRthat will tell you how to force a version.07:57
Hajuuso --dumpstream you say, CarlFK?07:57
catolhKyral, unrar is included in ubuntu?07:57
CremboSeveas Crembo, mount -t ntfs /dev/your_ntfs_drive /path/to/mountpoint -o umask=0000 <- Seveas, I understood most of it from typing "man mount" but - how do I create a mount point for it to use?07:57
KyralSeveas, I uninstalled Synaptic over a month ago07:57
chibifsxineui Is rocking. :D07:57
Seveascatolh, apt-get install unrar-nonfree07:57
Kyralwhat Seveas said07:57
catolhnonfree?..eh?07:57
Kyral'cept put a sudo on there07:57
CarlFKCrembo - mkdir (or md for short)07:57
SeveasCrembo, sudo mkdir /mnt/ntfsdrive07:57
chibifsnonfree version extracts rar 3 correctly.07:57
Cremboaaah. so simple.07:57
CarlFKSeveas - mnt?07:57
Seveascatolh, it costs no money but comes without source07:57
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regeya_well, my reason for xine-ui is because I have no idea how to do vidix non-root and totem doesn't like to do anything as non-user...it's just easier imho to use xine, and I doubt anyone is going to use xine-ui as a backdoor for evil hackery07:58
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catolhSeveas,  ah.. and it extracts divided rar files?07:58
KyralWhen the heck is T-Bird gonna enter Breezy so I can Apt-Source it?07:58
KyralI mean T-Bird 1.0.6 :P07:58
Seveascatolh, correct07:58
MartenHFinally! A place where I might find some answers... hopefully07:58
Seveashi MartenH :)07:58
CarlFKHajuu - afer a few min I have a 700k file from mplayer -dumpstream mms://202.6.74.109/triplej07:59
Kyralanyone else finding breakage with Totem 1.1.3?07:59
Kyralas in it not using totem-xine?07:59
catolhSeveas, ok, thanks.. :)07:59
bluefoxicybading ding ding ding ding ding ding ding bom bom bom bom bom ding ding ding ding bom bom ding ding ding ding07:59
Seveasbluefoxicy, wazzup?07:59
Seveas:)07:59
catolhdamn crazy frog.. :p07:59
Seveasargh07:59
Hajuuso um.. if I do something like "mplayer mms://202.6.74.109/triplej -dumpfile /mnt/storage/rec/recordin1.mp3 -dumpaudio" will that rip it direct to mp3 for me?07:59
Seveas /kill bluefoxicy07:59
Seveas:)07:59
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CarlFKHajuu - no.  I think you want mencoder for that08:00
MartenHhi Seveas08:00
paulproteusHajuu: If the MMS thing streams an MP3, then it will dump an MP3.08:00
paulproteusIt will dump bit-for-bit what the MMS thing serves you.  That's probably going to Windows Media Audio.08:00
bluefoxicyhi Seveas08:00
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Hajuumencoder.. yeah someone else directed me to that.. how do I use that to encode the stream as its being ripped?08:00
CarlFKwhen I play the file: Selected audio codec: [ffwmav2]  afm:ffmpeg (DivX audio v2 (FFmpeg))08:00
bluefoxicycatolh:  the vid rules and he's doing a Popcorn mix :)08:00
bluefoxicyPopcorn should be the official song of Ubuntu XD08:01
paulproteusKeep in mind that encoding to MP3 is a lossy process.08:01
paulproteusIf I were you, I'd dump it in its native format and just play it in that format.08:01
MartenHI'm having a whole lot of trouble with getting WPA working, tried almost everything I've found on the net but either my configuration differs or I'm just to new to Linux to get things right :/08:01
paulproteusOtherwise, you're throwing away precious audio quality, Hajuu.08:01
hybridRazor-X: do you have any flacs i could check out?08:01
CarlFKHajuu - if you want to encode it as something else, you may want to try transcode - I like that better than mencoder for conversions08:01
SeveasMartenH, you've come to the right place, i'm the local WPA expert :)08:01
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patrickjello08:01
CarlFKHajuu - I "think" either will work with the stream, but I don't know how08:02
Hajuuah08:02
Hajuuum08:02
Hajuuok08:02
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MartenHSeveas: awsome! :) Mind if I PM to reduce the clutter?08:02
Seveasbe my guest08:02
paulproteusSeveas: Wait!  Join #ubuntu-wpa08:02
paulproteusDiscuss in there so I can watch, too, please.  I'm trying to learn WPA stuff.08:02
CarlFKwhat is the correct spelling of growisofs ?08:02
Seveaspaulproteus, ok08:03
typohow can I make dpkg -l widen its columns?08:03
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paulproteustypo: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l08:03
patrickji just installed fbpanel but I dont know where the config files are.......08:03
sigis there any torrent clients in apt-get ?08:03
CarlFKdvd+rw-tools ;)08:03
paulproteussig: apt-get install bittorrent08:03
paulproteussig: apt-get install bittornado08:03
paulproteusapt-cache search bittorrent08:03
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Kyralis Azureus in the Repos yet?08:04
hybridyea08:04
dweazlemm .. xbase-clients is broken in breezy :(08:04
hybridbut java aint08:04
typopaulproteus: thanks08:04
Kyralminor thing to install it08:04
hybridyea on x86 psst08:04
Kyralseriously, we should put a script into the repos that installs Java :D08:04
hybridlol08:05
paulproteushybrid: PPC?08:05
hybridKyral: sun get pissed08:05
hybridpaulproteus: yes08:05
Kyralbah Sun08:05
hybridlol08:05
paulproteuspaulproteus: Install the IBM JDK as per the Ubuntu PPC FAQ.08:05
KyralBah MS08:05
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KyralBAH ALL!08:05
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paulproteushybrid: Installation scripts are legit.  Distributing Sun's Java JVM is not legit.08:05
sigwhats the command to start bittornado ?08:05
patrickjn/m08:05
BRKN_LDRshould i be able to compile a source package for a module as long as i have the headers for my kernel?08:05
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hybridsig: bittorrnadodownload08:06
sighmm08:06
sigdoesn't work here08:06
paulproteussig: bittorando<TAB>08:06
mpathyogra: Hey ;) Where is the ubuntu-artwork page?!08:06
hybridsig: if that dont work hit tab twice08:06
sigdoesn't work08:06
ogrampathy, the wiki page ?08:06
paulproteusbittornado - I made a typo.08:06
mpathyogra: no the channel08:06
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sigbittornado is already the newest version.08:07
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hybridwell if you typed bittornado the hit tab twice and didnt get a nice list bittornado isnt installed (properly)08:07
ogrampathy, #ubuntu-artwork ?08:07
mpathyogra: what the ... i must be stupid :)08:07
catolhhm, i cant get my Gnome bittorrent to work, it just tries to connect to peers08:07
ogrampathy, you are in there as far as i can see :)08:08
catolhi used azureus and it worked fine, but i dont want excessive applications.. and azureus looks fugly..08:08
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mpathyogra: yes, NOW I am in there :)08:08
catolhDoes it need configuring?08:08
qt2Kyral, a quick search reveals the official client, bittornado, azureus and qtorrent as being in the repos08:08
ogralol08:08
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catolhHas anyone gotten gnome bittorrent to work?08:09
vintendodawgs i got a major problem. i cant get totem or any other media player to work08:09
BRKN_LDRit works fine catolh08:09
BRKN_LDRbut it has limited functionality08:10
catolhBRKN_LDR, how do i configure it?08:10
kapputucannot access xdrive using ubuntu08:10
kapputucannot upgrade using ubuntu08:10
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BRKN_LDRcatolh i never had to configure anything on it.  you just open a .tor or whatever the extension is, and it pops up and starts downloading.08:10
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ed1tvintendo, you need to install he plugins to play music08:10
BRKN_LDRi don't really understand bit torrent so i don't use it.  it doesn't have a familiar file sharing app feel08:10
NoHopehey, Is there a rc.local file? Where can I put my scripts?08:10
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ed1tvinboy, gstreamer0.808:10
X3Nwhat happens if you put the breezy repisitories into my hoary one08:10
BRKN_LDRNoHope slackware eh?08:10
gimme3dhello everybody!08:11
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NoHopeBRKN_LDR, I'm from Slackware.08:11
sean13_X3N: you would upgrade to brezzy once you done that08:11
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vintendoed1t were i get dat at08:11
NoHopeBRKN_LDR, I can't understand SysV...08:11
BrunellusI'm setting up a dualboot Ubuntu/XP machine08:11
catolhBRKN_LDR, well.. it doesnt work with me.. I start it, pop in a torrent and it only tries to connect to peers.. them timing out on 30 seconds.. with azureus it works fine, but it looks fugly and i dont want an excessive amount of torrent managers08:11
X3Nas i thought, has anyone tried it, is it stable enough yet ?08:11
Razor-XBrunellus: any problems yet?08:11
morgul_Hello08:11
Brunelluswhich partition do I set as bootable?08:11
Hajuumkay.. got it ripping it to mp3 now using mplayer... But can't I listen to it while its ripping?08:11
patrickjback but I need some help because It says when I try to copy a file, that it dont exist08:11
patrickjwheres the flood room?08:11
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Razor-XBrunellus: Ubuntu's partition08:12
catolhBRKN_LDR, nevermind.. heh, it started.. :p08:12
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qt2BRKN_LDR, you might be interested in azureus.08:12
v1ru5hey, any ideas why i am getting wrong md5 sums for the ubuntu 5.04's iso's?08:12
BrunellusRazor-X:  if I set / as bootable, I should still be able to boot the XP partition right?08:12
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soultakerhello to all08:12
Razor-XBrunellus: as long as the entry is in GRUB's menu.list, yeah08:12
X3Nv1ru5, have you tried different mirrors ?08:12
NoHopeBRKN_LDR, do you know some doc about it?08:12
ed1tvintendo, open up synaptic and search for gstreamer08:12
Razor-Xand, Ubuntu should detect that at default08:12
gimme3di have got a problem. I am new to linux and it took me 2 days to get my screen working with refresh>60hz, but now it works (woohoo!). But ubuntu is still using the mesa drivers, so ive got no 3d08:12
patrickjok im going to paste my problem in flood08:12
vintendook thanks08:12
Razor-XUbuntu can partition it for you as well08:12
floocan anyone help with my hp digital copier printer?08:12
patrickjcan anyone help me?08:12
HajuuCarlFK:  You still around?08:12
soultakerone question about the screen saver?08:12
v1ru5X3N: know any legit mirrors?08:12
gimme3danyone who would help me for a minute?08:13
BrunellusRazor-X:  when does the installer generate the GRUB menu.list08:13
flooIt's ausb printer and it refuses to print08:13
Razor-XBrunellus: after the system is installed08:13
qt2catolh, why not use the official client, or bittornado?08:13
Razor-XI know my partitions, but Ubuntu's installer did it all for me regardless08:13
v1ru5gimme3d: just tell us your problem08:13
ed1tv1ru5, u trying to download the ubuntu .iso image?08:13
blmartin777can I install the files (source) for my kernel08:13
gimme3dallright, thx :)08:13
X3Nv1ru5, select a different one from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/08:13
Razor-XI just gave it a chunk of free space, simple azzat08:13
v1ru5ed1t: yep08:13
Razor-Xof course, if you know you're way around partitioning, you can do more ;)08:14
patrickjcan anyone help me?08:14
BrunellusOK.  because there are 2 xp partitions on here08:14
v1ru5gimme3d: what do you need help with? the driver install?08:14
qt2Hajuu, you could probably pop up another stream of it in another app?08:14
NoHopepatrickj, just make the question.08:14
Razor-XBrunellus: they'll probably both be added to menu.list08:14
Razor-Xif not, just read the docs08:14
catolhqt2, well.. gnome-bittorrent works for me know, although slow and it doesnt show how many seeds or peers.08:14
patrickjI did08:14
soultakercan anyone tell me how send back the options on a screen saver i wont display any more08:14
BrunellusThanks.08:14
NoHopepatrickj, what's the problem?08:14
gimme3di downloaded the latest drvier for xorg, made an deb from the rpm, instlaled mey kernel headers and so on, but trying to overwrite mesa by --force wont work properly?08:14
Razor-Xand, even stil, you can rescue the old bootloader and put that in Ubuntu as well, if it comes to that08:14
v1ru5X3N: i really don't have time for downloads, every cd takes 3,5 hours to complete08:14
ed1tv1ru5, http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/08:14
patrickjokay i pasted what I was supposed to do in flood and it gives me an error, saying that the config file dont exists !!!!08:14
ed1tv1ru5, i download from there, it always works for me08:14
v1ru5X3N: so i rather use a legit d/l08:14
BrunellusBeen a while since I did a from-disk install.  Just playing with windows makes me miss apt08:15
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v1ru5ed1t: ok thanks08:15
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NoHopeflood?08:15
qt2catolh, heh, i mich prefer bittornado, much more configurable and informatice.08:15
Hajuuqt2:  Seems wasteful to stream the same stream twice to the same place.08:15
X3Nv1ru5, those are legit08:15
morgul_how can I install lmctl_0.3.2_i386.deb ?08:15
gimme3dit overwrites without error, but there is no change in using the mesadrivers08:15
NoHopepatrickj, flood?08:15
X3Nthey're all official ubuntu mirrors08:15
qt2*informative08:15
Brunellusmorgul_:  sudo dpkg PATH-TO-PACKAGE-HERE08:15
ed1tmorgul_, dpkg -i lmctl_0.3.2_i386.deb08:15
v1ru5X3N: how come i have downloaded from those two times and neither has worked08:15
Brunelluser08:15
Brunellusyeah08:15
Brunellusforgot the -i08:15
Brunellusdrat.08:15
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morgul_thx guys08:15
Brunellusmorgul_08:15
X3Nv1ru5, from the same source each time ?08:15
qt2Hajuu, well, i just suggested it as a quick fix. ;)08:15
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Hajuuhehe08:15
Brunellusbe aware that that won't resolve any dependencies!08:15
v1ru5X3N: this last 3 hrs i got from 4 diff.08:16
Brunellusok.  partitioning time gents.08:16
soultakercan anyone tell me how send back the options on a screen saver i wont display any more ? the name is lightning08:16
catolhqt2, uhm.. just did a sudo apt-get install bittornado.. but uhm.. silly question.. how do i start it? :D08:16
doddowhat is the deafult linux partition to be named in fstab? ext3 or?08:16
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X3Nv1ru5, sounds like there might be something wrong with your download manager or your connection, maybe try shipit.ubuntu.org and get some sent to you08:16
Brunelluscatolh:  uh, type 'bittornado' in the console?08:16
catolhdidnt work.. :p08:16
Discipuluscatolh, from a prompt type bittornado08:16
Razor-Xqt2: hmmm, can I ask you some questions about bittornado?08:16
catolhah08:16
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gimme3dv1ru5: i installed everything properly, but there are still the mesadrivers active08:16
Discipuluscatolh, type 'bit' and hit tab 2 times08:17
vintendohey ed1t thank you so much08:17
ed1tdoddo, yes, ubuntu has uses ext3 in installation by default08:17
ed1tvintendo, np08:17
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Razor-X(I use btdownloadcurses.bittorrent)08:17
qt2catolh, err, it doesnt run unless it's got a torrent downloading/seeding, so go find a torrent. ;)08:17
qt2Razor-X, sure, pm me.08:17
pierrohi. i upgraded ubuntuyesterday. since this upgrade, firefox crashes everytime i try to close a tab08:17
catolhqt2, ah... weird.. :p but thanks08:17
morgul_hmm problem lol08:18
doddoed1t: but when i try to mount my partition i get the following message: Wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda208:18
ed1tdoddo, why u trying to mount your partition? it should already be mounted08:18
qt2catolh, how's that wierd? it's efficent.08:18
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patrickjback08:18
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patrickjhow can I copy stuff from eterm?08:19
doddoed1t: yeah, but I made a new partiton from some unpartitioned space i had on my hard drive.08:19
morgul_are *.deb.py working with hoary?08:19
soultakercan anyone tell me how send back the options on a screen saver i wont display any more ? the name is lightning any one??08:19
HappyFooltry selecting it with the mouse (using the left mouse button)08:19
ed1tdoddo, u made a ext3 partition?08:19
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HappyFooland then pasting elsewhere with the middle mouse button08:19
ed1tdoddo, mount -t ext3 /dev/sda2 /mount/point08:19
patrickjugh lol no it wotn lemme copy through eterm08:20
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dm1trii am problem in mldonkey runing in ubuntu08:20
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gimme3dwhen i do: sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i fglrx-6-8-0_8.14.13-2_i386.deb, where the heck does it put the ati-driver-installer-8.14.13.run ???08:20
ed1tpierro, wat version of FF u have?08:20
doddoed1t: yes. ill try that..'08:20
floocome on guys!  is nobody going to help me with my printing problem08:20
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patrickjdir08:21
morgul_ok ssorry my mistake08:21
patrickjwhoops08:21
hybridfloo: whats up?08:21
patrickjwheres the menu generator?08:21
flooI can't print through usb08:21
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patrickjalso if Im not using gnome, if im using openbox and fbpanel, How can I get stuff to go on startup?08:21
ed1tpierro, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5068608:21
pierroed1t,  the package name ?08:21
pierrook thanks.08:21
Yann2isn't there any way to center text or to align some text on the ubuntu wiki? :(08:21
doddoed1t:  i still get the sane eroor message.08:21
doddothe same08:21
hybridfloo: is it being recongnized?08:22
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gimme3dguys, when i do: sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i fglrx-6-8-0_8.14.13-2_i386.deb, where the heck does it put the ati-driver-installer-8.14.13.run ???08:22
kuckuckhi08:22
floohybrid yes08:22
dm1trii am problem in mldonkey runing in ubuntu08:22
flooeverything is there08:22
patrickjalso if Im not using gnome, if im using openbox and fbpanel, How can I get stuff to go on startup?08:22
dm1trinot connect in network fasttrack08:22
kuckuckhow shuld the output look if I make a bad block check -> mkfs.vfat -cv08:22
dm1triin the configuration this true, but does not connect, exists some plugin to be installed?08:22
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hybridfloo: it just wont print08:22
LiberalTugboathey08:23
ed1tdoddo, did u make a directory for mount point?08:23
flooit's detected on usb asb hp digital copier 410,it's using the ijs gimp print driver08:23
LiberalTugboatany one know how stable breezy is?08:23
flooit just WON'T print08:23
hybridLiberalTugboat: stable? breezy? ha!08:23
flooall of the modules are in place08:23
hybridfloo: tried more then one prgram08:23
flooudb core oncd uncd usblp08:24
patrickjhow can I get stuff to go on strartup when im not using Gnome?08:24
floohybrid??08:24
doddoed1t: yes i did but now i think i figured it out, need too reboot thoug =) thank you.08:24
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LiberalTugboatok let me restate that... how broken is breezy?08:24
patrickjCan Anyone help me?08:24
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blkdominiciao raga08:25
SeveasLiberalTugboat, X is dead08:25
blkdominihi all08:25
LiberalTugboatok08:25
floohybrid do you mean another distro?08:25
LiberalTugboatstill going though the modularization08:25
flooif so yes, I've tried Mandrake and Fedora.  Same [roblem.08:25
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hybridfloo: no another program. like try print a gimp image then try from fire etc08:25
blkdominianyone know a simple dc client's for ubuntu?08:25
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patrickjCan Anyone help me?08:26
LiberalTugboatI used to follow all of the mailing lists... I just dont have the time to go through 100+ emails a day08:26
flooyes tried that, printer is default printer but it just wn't print08:26
ed1tpatrickj, you will have to manually add it08:26
ed1ti guess08:26
flooalso tried the same with openoffice.08:26
SeveasLiberalTugboat, indeed, still the modularization :)08:26
soultakercan anyone tell me how send back the options on a screen saver i wont display any more ? the name is lightning any one?? can tell how restore i just run synaptics and resinstall i wont display it08:26
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patrickjwhat file?!08:27
patrickjlol08:27
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patrickjI need to know How to add it08:27
ed1tpatrickj, get 'smeg' package which will allow you to change gnome menus08:27
flooit's like the data is getting blocked halfway.08:27
LiberalTugboatis anyone else having problems with firefox stability in hoary?08:27
patrickjugh08:27
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patrickjim not using gnome08:27
patrickjim in openbox with fbpanel!08:27
hybridfloo: have _all_ the drivers for it08:27
patrickjbrb...08:27
ed1tpatrickj, then why do u need to add stuff in gnome?08:27
pierroLiberalTugboat,  iup08:27
LiberalTugboatI am having it close on me quite a bit lately08:27
Seveaspatrickj, then read the openbox docs :)08:27
flooyes, hpijs and hplip08:28
pierroLiberalTugboat,   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5068608:28
ed1tpierro, did that link help you?08:28
LiberalTugboati cant even go to newsforge any more08:28
SeveasLiberalTugboat, the latest security update is broken08:28
BelutzSeveas: how do i make firestarter start everytime i log in to ubuntu?08:28
pierroed1t,  69% of upgrading :p08:28
floobut it seems to be using the gimpdriver and ther's no way i can change it anything else.08:28
LiberalTugboatthats nice to know08:28
ed1tpierro, heh08:28
SeveasLiberalTugboat, you should downgrade using the debs on http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/deb/ or wait until monday :)08:28
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floothe annoing thing is it works absolutelyfnineon windows08:29
LiberalTugboatthe one thing I dont like about ubuntu is all this backporting of security updates08:29
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jasoncohentritium, well, i wasn't able to resize my / ext3 partition last night in the live cd. gparted said that the device was being used (device i guess was HD) because the only mounted partition was swap. what should i do?08:29
SeveasLiberalTugboat, the official versions have the exact same problem...08:29
soultakercan anyone tell me how send back the options on a screen saver i wont display any more ? the name is lightning any one?? can tell how restore i just run synaptics and resinstall i wont display it08:29
ed1tjasoncohen, trying to resize partitions?08:30
LiberalTugboat1.06?08:30
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hybridSeveas: how do you downgrade? do you use apt?08:30
jasoncohened1t, yes08:30
Seveashybrid, download the debs manually and run dpkg -i mozilla*.den08:31
Seveashybrid, download the debs manually and run dpkg -i mozilla*.deb08:31
jasoncohened1t, i wanted to shrink my / ext3 partition so i could make a larger swap. currently my swap is too small for hibernate08:31
levanderCan I still not access Gracenote's cddb with grip?08:31
hybridSeveas: ah08:31
hybridSeveas: gotta do it twice? :-p08:31
jasoncohenSeveas, you don't have to do that08:31
jasoncohensudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox=1.0.2-0ubuntu5 mozilla-firefox-gnome-support=1.0.2-0ubuntu508:31
hybridi was told you have to remove pkgs then reinstall08:31
Seveasjasoncohen, the official repos do no longer have the -ubuntu5.2 security update08:31
jasoncohenyou can downgrade by specifying the version you want08:31
Seveasand the ubuntu5 version is old08:31
Seveasjasoncohen, the official repos do no longer have the -ubuntu5.3 security update08:32
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jasoncohenSeveas, yeah- but does hybrid still have it in his apt cache?08:32
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Seveasjasoncohen, not likely :)08:32
HappyFool!firefox-problems08:32
ubotufirefox-problems is probably http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2005-July/000163.html08:32
jasoncohenotherwise he won't be able to. he can't download it because it's not on the servers08:32
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rjekAfternoon.08:32
soultakercan anyone tell me how send back the options on a screen saver i wont display any more ? the name is lightning any one?? can tell how restore i just run synaptics and resinstall i wont display it08:32
HappyFoolmaybe uninstall extensions, if you can08:32
Seveasjasoncohen, I just gave a url to the ubuntu5.3 debs08:32
jasoncohenSeveas, ah, i didn't see that- my mitake08:33
jasoncohen*mistake08:33
raven3x7im decided to get epiphany until this is fixed08:33
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patrickjdir08:33
patrickjwhoops08:33
patrickjlol08:33
patrickjsorry08:33
rjekAnybody know if there's any way of specifying which order things should be mounted in in /etc/fstab?  I have a bind mount, and although it's listed after mounting my home directory (via NFS) it still ends up mounting afterwards.  Ideas?08:33
jasoncohenSeveas, why didn't the security team leave 5.3 in place and ask users to just install it off the security mirrors?08:33
Seveasjasoncohen, ENOIDEA08:33
hybridpatrickj: i love that! i have come in here plenty of times and did ls08:33
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jasoncohenso, anyone know why gparted wouldn't allow me to resize an ext3 partitoin (/) that's unmounted in the hoary live cd if only swap is being used08:34
sirkka?08:34
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djpwhich is the best version of a package to use out of sdl, svga, or x? the graphic card i have is an nvidia geforce2 which uses the free nv driver.08:34
sirkkahi08:34
jasoncohenhow should i resize it, from the hoary installer disk?08:34
hybridjasoncohen: livecd runs in ram08:35
rchoyjason is the swap on the same parition?08:35
raven3x7HappyFool thats not the only prob with the update08:35
jasoncohenhybrid, so, / was unmounted08:35
patrickjoh brb again08:35
jasoncohenrchoy, they are seperate partitions- might be the same logical partition though08:35
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rchoyjasoncohen, that would be a problem ,no?08:35
robert_pectolBelutz:   you can use update-rc.d to configure which services you want to start/stop at bootup/shutdown... something similar to, "update-rc.d firestarter start 20  2 3 4 5 . stop 20  0 1 2 6 ." would set firestarter to auomatically run in levels 2, 3, 4, and 5.08:36
jasoncohenrchoy, http://pastebin.ca/18400 . i'm trying to resize /dev/hda408:36
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jasoncohenrchoy, only swap was mounted- and i don't think they are on the same logical partition. how do i check?08:36
jasoncohenno- they're on seperate logical partitions08:37
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rchoyjasoncohen, fdisk08:37
rchoyfdisk /dev/hda08:37
rchoythen type p08:37
rchoyto print part table08:38
jasoncohenisn't that the same as fdisk -l /dev/hda?08:38
jasoncohenit shows what i pasted - http://pastebin.ca/1840008:38
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rchoyfdisk is a little more informative08:39
rchoyp08:39
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jasoncohenso, what should i do to resize / ?08:40
jasoncohen/dev/hda408:40
Belutzrobert_pectol: what's the number 20 means?08:40
robert_pectolBelutz:   priority... I think!08:40
Belutzrobert_pectol: ok, thx :)08:40
robert_pectolnp08:40
jasoncohenBelutz, it's priority- when the process starts in the boot process08:41
rchoyjasoncohen, try doing fdisk /dev/hda and hit p08:41
jasoncohenBelutz, lower is higher priority so 10 would start before 2008:41
rchoyyou get more info than fdisk -l08:41
jasoncohenrchoy, i did, it shows the same info08:41
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Belutzjasoncohen: ok... i get it... thx :)08:41
jasoncohenrchoy, http://pastebin.ca/1840108:41
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Belutzjasoncohen: i just removed apache2 from synaptic, but there is still /etc/init.d/apache2 file... do i have to remove it manually?08:42
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jasoncohenBelutz, that's because when you remove a package it doesn't get rid of configuration files08:42
jasoncohenor other system files related to the app that are small like init scripts08:43
jasoncohenthere's no harm in keeping the script there since it won't start- there's nothing to start08:43
jasoncohensudo apt-get remove --purge apache2 would have purged all config files08:43
rchoyjasoncohen, how does parted complain?  could it be you don't have enough disk space to do the resize...08:43
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Belutzjasoncohen: ok... thx :)08:43
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jasoncohenrchoy, i'm just shrinking the partition. how can i not have enough disk space to shrink?08:43
rchoyif there is 100 bytes of data and the partition is 200 bytes and you resize it to 50 bytes08:44
jasoncohenBelutz, it's not a problem. if you want, sudo apt-get install rcconf, and run sudo rcconf and uncheck apache208:44
jasoncohenthat way, if it's installed again it won't start on boot08:44
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djpwhich is the best version of a package to use out of sdl, svga, or x? the graphic card i have is an nvidia geforce2 which uses the free nv driver.08:45
jasoncohenwhat exactly are you asking djp? what driver to use?08:45
jasoncohenuse nv or if you want 3d acceleration the nvidia driver08:45
HappyFoolyou can also try 'sudo update-rc.d apache2 remove'08:46
jasoncohenyup, or if you want something graphical, install bum. it'll also give you a description of the services08:46
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djpjasoncohen: sorry to be so vague. i have the option of downloading 3 versions of a program. one is specific for x, one for sdl and one for svga. i wondered what one i should use. i suppose i want to know what the difference is between sdl, x and svga...08:47
jasoncohenwhat program?08:47
djpjasoncohen: gnuboy08:47
bluefoxicydjp:  Use the SDL version.08:48
djpjasoncohen: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=gnuboy&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all08:48
bluefoxicySDL is like a cross-platform directX, kind of.08:48
bluefoxicysimple directmedia layer :P08:48
jasoncohenX is linux's xfree server that is used to display all the graphics you see on your screen. SVGA Is super vga resolution= 800X600 pixels and SDL is  Simple DirectMedia Layer is a cross-platform multimedia library designed to provide low level access to audio, keyboard, mouse, joystick, 3D hardware via OpenGL, and 2D video framebuffer.08:48
jasoncohenthe 3 are completely different08:48
bluefoxicySDL is fairly well designed.08:48
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HappyFoolSDL should run in X; i would guess the svga version won't08:49
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jasoncohenyeah, use SDL08:49
djpjasoncohen: that's what i was looking for... thanx! so would you agree with bluefoxicy, that sdl is the better of the 3? thnaks for your advice bluefoxicy by the way08:49
bluefoxicyI tend to install SDL stuff because A) I don't like plain old X methods; B) SVGA requires libsvga which I don't like because it needs a kernel helper module; C) If everything used SDL there'd be a common library ;)08:50
bluefoxicybesides08:50
djpoops, thanks jasoncohen, answered before i could ask! ;)08:50
bluefoxicyif the X and SVGA branches aren't used much the author might drop them in favor of SDL08:50
bluefoxicymeaning less code to maintain08:50
bluefoxicyi.e. less bugs, faster development08:50
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jasoncohenwill breey be able to do an upgrade from an install CD?  It seems like the best method if you want to alter the partition sizes or if you are on dialup08:51
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bluefoxicysomeone should write a Linux developers FAQ08:51
djpthanks bluefoxicy08:51
HappyFooljasoncohen: warty could be upgraded to hoary via CD, so I presume so08:51
bluefoxicyand answer a question about DirectX by pointing out SDL, == instant Linux/Windows/AppleOSX compatibility08:52
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jasoncohenHappyFool, ok08:52
DOonzhey guys kinda buggered up my fstab is there a way i can go back to the back up file and restore it?08:52
jasoncohenif i want to resize my root partition, should i just do it with the hoary installer partition tool?08:52
signiusDoes anyone use a orinoco based wireless card in RFMON mode at all08:53
signiusi have the kernal patched and working and it works perfect in kismet08:53
jasoncohenDOonz, did you make a backup?08:53
DOonzyeah08:53
DOonzbut i cant boot up08:53
Brunelluswoohoo, it dualboots08:53
DOonzim using the live cd atm08:53
ed1tjasoncohen, yea but wont it delete the stuff in your / ?08:53
signiusyet when i try and use other wireless utile that require RFMON it fails08:53
Brunellusbut now I can't get it to find my wlan card08:53
jasoncohened1t, you can resize ext3 without removing data08:54
jasoncohenwhy can't you in the partitioner?08:54
ed1tjasoncohen, i didn know if you can shrink it in partitioner08:54
signiusBrunellus what wireless network card do you have and what chipset is it based on ?08:54
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Brunellusdlink dwl-g52008:55
Brunellusit *should* have auto-detected, apparently08:55
jasoncohened1t, ext3 supports being resized both smaller & larger w/o losing data so long as the partition is unmounted08:55
Brunelluslet me run upstairs to see what lspci tells me08:55
signiusoooh 2 things i dont like about that already A it DLINK and B it a 802.11g based card08:55
ed1thmmm08:55
DOonzanyone got any idea?08:55
signiuslet me have a check on google about that card08:55
HappyFooljasoncohen: you seem to know more than most of us about this ;). is it possible there's data at the 'end' of the partition? can ext2/ext3 get fragmented like that?08:56
jasoncohenDOonz, mount the partition manually with a mount command, replace /etc/fstab with the backup and reboot08:56
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DOonzthanx08:56
HappyFoolRazor-X: you around? Are you running ERC?08:56
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ed1tdoes anybody know if there is any software for making backup image like ghost for windows08:56
ed1t?08:56
Brunellusit's an Atheros AR-512 chipset08:57
ed1tfor linux...i dont think ghost 9.0 supports creating linux images08:57
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signiusok08:57
signiusi think DLINK have some linux drivers on there websote08:58
signiusi am checking now08:58
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ed1tnorton ghos 2003 does that!!!08:58
HappyFooled1t: how about 'partimage' in the ubuntu repositories?08:58
apokryphosis there any way to tell Ubuntu to specifically *never* use 75Hz?08:58
ed1tHappyFool, it does it?08:58
HappyFooled1t: not that i've used it, but it looks possibly interesting08:58
jasoncohenDOonz, mount -t ext3 /dev/hdaX /myroot08:58
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ed1tHappyFool, thx, ill try it and let u know if it works good08:59
jasoncohenDOonz, sudo fdisk -l to find out what partition you need to mount08:59
signiusBrunellus ok it looks like you need to use the madwifi drivers08:59
Hoxzerhow I can mount samba?08:59
signiusi have used them ages ago and they did work08:59
signiusbut i cant remember what i did to get them working youll have to do a bit of reading08:59
jasoncohenBrunellus, you're in luck, the madwifi drivers are included in hoary in linux-restricted-modules08:59
demirghi everyone, why do i get an error message like: "Segmentation fault" when I try to run xmms08:59
jasoncohenBrunellus, modprobe ath_pci08:59
signiusheres the link to the drivers and docs http://sourceforge.net/projects/madwifi/08:59
HappyFooldemirg: try changing xmms's output to esd09:00
jasoncohensignius, does he want just WEP?09:00
jasoncohenor does he need WPA/AES?09:00
HappyFooldemirg: it's under properties/settings somewhere09:00
signiusjasoncohen I dont know09:00
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Brunellusback in a second.09:00
jasoncohenDOonz, did that work?09:00
HappyFoolHoxzer: have you looked at this page?09:00
HappyFool!samba09:00
ubotumethinks samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba09:00
demirgHappyFool, i cannot open xmms :)09:01
DOonzall the files are read only09:01
HappyFooldemirg: doh. the esd thing is my standard response, sorry ;)09:01
jasoncohenDOonz, did it mount read-only or do you need to be root?09:01
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demirgHappyFool, no problem :)09:01
DOonzit mounted read only09:02
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jasoncohenDOonz, sudo cp /etc/fstab.backup /etc/fstab for example09:02
demirgHappyFool, besides it was allready changed to esd09:02
ed1tHappyFool, it looks like it will do the job if u run it from live CD09:02
jasoncohenDOonz, or sudo -s and then try09:02
Kyralyou know you use the command line too much when you try to use tab complete to type /etc/fstab on XChat09:02
ValheruLordhow can i learn which bootloader is installed09:02
HappyFoolheh09:02
jasoncohenDOonz, what does "mount" show for /myroot?09:02
kamstrumentalDoes anybody recommend an MP3 player over Music Player in Ubuntu? Music Player says it does not have the plug in to play mp3's.09:02
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KyralBeep09:02
tommyhow do i get ventrilo to autostart as deamon?09:02
signiusHas anyone here setup Evolution with and exchange 2003 server ?09:02
HappyFoolkamstrumental: you can get plugins for mp309:03
Belialhi someon here who can halp a noob ??09:03
HappyFoolkamstrumental: read this page:09:03
HappyFool!restrictedformats09:03
ubotuI heard restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'09:03
jasoncohenDOonz, umount /myroot09:03
DOonzroot@ubuntu:/home/ubuntu # mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /home/ubuntu/tmp09:03
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Pianisthy09:03
jasoncohenDoomgaze, mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /home/ubuntu/tmp rw,user09:03
Belialdoes someone speaks german ???09:03
demirghi everyone, why do i get an error message like: "Segmentation fault" when I try to run xmms09:03
Pianist#ubuntu-de09:03
Belialthx09:03
Pianistich m09:03
kamstrumentalHappyFool: Thanks!09:04
Pianistich mein ich sprexh auch aber das ist der bessere channel09:04
Pianist;=09:04
Pianist;)09:04
Beliallol09:04
Brunellusno joy09:04
jasoncohenDOonz,  mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /home/ubuntu/tmp rw,user09:04
Belialdoes someone can help me09:04
Brunellusmodprobe ath_pci does nothing09:04
jasoncohenDOonz, or mount -o remount,rw /dev/sda109:04
Brunellusno wlan0 no nothing09:04
DOonzk it saying it busy when i unmouint09:04
Une-ga-dihianyone use movemail in thunderbird to check local mail?09:04
Brunellusdo I have to bring eth0 down first09:04
jasoncohenDOonz, try mount -o remount/rw /dev/sda109:04
PianistBelial: what is your problem?09:05
jasoncohenDOonz, you're probably just in the directory. type "cd" first09:05
DOonznope09:05
jasoncohenDOonz, but the remount should work even if it's being used09:05
ed1tBelial, #ubuntu-de09:05
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DOonzmount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /home/ubuntu/tmp busy09:05
DOonzmount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is already mounted on /home/ubuntu/tmp09:05
jasoncohenDOonz, what command did you use?09:06
Brunellusjasoncohen, what do I do now, if modprobe ath_pci isn't working?09:06
DOonzmount -o remount/rw /dev/sda109:06
ed1tDOonz, first unmount and then mount again09:06
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DOonzit wont let me unmount09:06
jasoncohenDOonz, mount -o remount,rw /dev/sda109:06
DOonzsays its busy09:06
levanderI see on the wiki, that step 4 of enabling dma is to modify /etc/hdparm.conf so that dma is enabled at boot time for a particular device.  Since my machine is already running, can I enable dma without rebooting?09:06
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jasoncohenDOonz, type cd09:06
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HappyFoollevander: yip09:06
patrickjhey, where that menu generation thing?09:06
jasoncohenBrunellus, sudo modprobe ath_pci09:07
DOonznope still busy09:07
Brunellusjasoncohen: I did taht already09:07
patrickjn/m09:07
jasoncohenDoomgaze, fuser /dev/sda109:07
BrunellusDOonz, sudo killall gnome-volume-manager09:07
Pianistanyone know the CentreCOM 3612TR from Allied Sys?09:07
Brunellusthen unmount09:07
HappyFoollevander: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/<whatever>09:07
Pianistor so?09:07
jasoncohenDOonz, fuser -m /dev/sda109:07
DOonznope still busy09:07
levanderHappyFool: but I don't have to "enable" dma - like in the wiki it does in step 4 for when you reboot?09:08
DOonzroot@ubuntu:~ # fuser -m /dev/sda109:08
DOonz/dev/sda1:           2629609:08
jasoncohenDOonz, sudo kill 2629609:08
HappyFoollevander: which wiki page is that?09:08
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levanderHappyFool: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA?highlight=%28dma%2909:08
Brunellusnobody with any clues as to the wlan issue?09:08
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DOonzjk that worked09:08
DOonzits unmounted now09:08
HappyFoollevander: if you are referring to /etc/hdparm.conf, that is just telling bootup to run hdparm, and with what parameters09:08
levanderas an asside, no idea why they're using SSL on their wiki09:08
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HappyFoollevander: yeah, a bit annoying09:09
Pianistanyone know the CentreCOM 3612TR from Allied Sys?09:09
jasoncohenDOonz, mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /home/ubuntu/tmp rw09:09
levanderHappyFool: ah! yeah, that makes sense, thanks09:09
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levanderHappyFool: and why does publicly information have to be secured? Makes no sense.09:09
DOonznope didnt like that mount command09:09
signiusShould i need to reboot ubuntu after configuring Evoluton to conenct to MS Exchange Server ?09:09
HappyFoollevander: maybe it's just an easy solution to protect the password login09:09
patrickjcan anyone in here help me install the menu gen?09:09
jasoncohenDOonz, mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /home/ubuntu/tmp -o rw09:09
patrickjdemu09:09
demirghi everyone, why do i get an error message like: "Segmentation fault" when I try to run xmms09:09
patrickj*denu09:10
signiusi went through the setup and that seemed to work this time09:10
HappyFoollevander: but it does seem to be overkill. and, for me anyway, the site seems slow09:10
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levanderHappyFool: the public can't edit that wiki? what they need a password for?09:10
Brunellusdmirg, run xmms in gdm.09:10
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Brunelluser09:10
Brunellusgdb09:10
Brunellusmy bad.09:10
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HappyFoollevander: no, you need to register. registration is open and free09:10
levanderHappyFool: yeah, apparently you need to create an account and get a password on that wiki to edit, see what you're saying09:10
signiusyet when i click on the icon for evololution after it looks like its going to to start i get the timer symbol and it just goes back to a destop and doesnt start the prgram09:10
DOonzstill read only09:10
jasoncohenDOonz, did that work?09:10
demirgBrunellus, can you tell how to do it09:10
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Brunellusopen a terminal09:11
jasoncohenDoomgaze, and you used -o rw?09:11
DOonzyeah09:11
Brunellusexecute gdb xmms09:11
demirgas root?09:11
Brunellusnot sure if it matters09:11
HappyFoolno09:11
Brunellusthat'll at least give you the debug output09:11
HappyFoolit'll give you a big mess09:11
HappyFool;)09:11
maestrohej, nogle fra danmark ?09:12
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maestrojoin #denmark09:12
BrunellusoK.  so now what.09:12
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demirgBrunellus, ok i write it to terminal and hit enter09:12
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demirgBrunellus, now it is like : (gdb) and waits09:12
HappyFooltry 'run' now; i think that's how you get gdb to start the program09:13
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Brunellush'm09:13
signiusWOO HOO it works09:13
HappyFoolyou can also launch gdb with a core dump09:13
Brunelluseh, signius?09:13
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signiusfabtastic09:13
zerboxxAny help with transfering documents to a palm via gnome-pilot?09:13
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patrickjim going to paste something in flood, can anyone help me with my problem?09:14
levanderwell, hdparm.conf isn't telling the boot process to turn dma on on /dev/hda (my "main" hard disk).  But, it's on somehow.  Anybody know how ubuntu tells the boot process to turn dma on on a disk?09:14
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robotgeekpatrickj, go ahead and paste09:14
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patrickji just id09:14
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patrickjI need help installing Denu!09:14
MrMaDSeNhi09:14
Kyralhmm09:14
patrickjI dont understand the installation instructions...09:14
Puff-n-Stuffmorning all...would anyone happen to have some insight on how to get a microcolutions backpack cdrw working through usb on 5.04?09:14
KyralI'm leaving for a week and a half on Wednesday09:14
D1grrr, where on earth is the pure-ftpd conf file in ubuntu?09:14
MrMaDSeNanyone using vnc on ubuntu in here?09:14
HappyFoolpatrickj: paste again, i think ;)09:14
robotgeekyup09:15
KyralWill Breezy X be fixed? :P09:15
HappyFoolD1: try using dpkg -L pure-ftpd ?09:15
naliothMrMaDSeN: which part of vnc?09:15
Puff-n-StuffMrMaDSeN, yes, I use vnc on ubuntu.  mostly viewer, but,,09:15
HappyFoolpatrickj: err, that looks gentoo-ish to me09:15
demirgBrunellus: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.09:15
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demirgBrunellus: [Switching to Thread -1212288896 (LWP 9425)] 09:16
patrickjlol09:16
HappyFooldemirg: try 'bt' to get a backtrace09:16
MrMaDSeNnalioth: vncviewer........ how do I get out off fullscreen again after having pressed F8 ?09:16
Brunellusdemirg: hm.09:16
patrickjhttp://denu.sourceforge.net/run_down.html09:16
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ed1tHappyFool, you know any tutorial for creating a custom ubuntu live cd?09:16
HappyFooldemirg: gdb is not really going to help you if you don't have the source, and can't hack c09:16
HappyFooled1t: um, sorry, no09:16
patrickjwell i just need something to generate a menu for openbox......09:16
zerboxxAnyone here know of an equivalent to "Palm Desktop" for linux???09:16
BrunellusOk.  what do I have to do to enable linux-restricted-modules?09:16
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patrickjwell i guess i'll revert to doing it myself....09:17
HappyFoolBrunellus: isn't it installed?09:17
BrunellusHappyFool:  this is what I can't work out09:17
demirgHappyFool, i know a little bit C, bu dont know if i have the source :)09:17
kamstrumentalWhen loading files into the Music Player library, I get the error: There is no plugin installed to handle a MP3 file.  It seems I have everything installed correctly....?09:17
naliothMrMaDSeN: i'm not familiar with vncviewer, i use krdc09:17
Puff-n-StuffMrMaDSeN, when you hit F8, does it bring up a menu?09:17
HappyFooldemirg: well, if you care, you can probably get it with apt-get source09:17
Brunellusif yes, then why can't I configure my wireless09:18
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ramdiazhello, does anyone know where I can get the Java JDK09:18
HappyFoolBrunellus: 'dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules'09:18
Puff-n-Stufframdiaz, java.sun.com09:18
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HappyFoolBrunellus: make that 'dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules*'09:18
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MrMaDSeNPuff-n-Stuff: yes... I choose fullscreen... but then I cant quit it again...09:18
Une-ga-dihi /msg nickserv link Dr_Fate darthirc09:18
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ramdiazi tried the sun site but i can only get the binary09:19
signiusBrunellus have you read the docs on madwifi once you download there is a readme and and install doc that tells you how to insta them09:19
Puff-n-StuffMrMaDSeN, when you are in fullscreen and hit F8, it gives you the same menu, yes?   and you select fullscreen again and it doesnt unfullscreen?09:19
HappyFoolramdiaz: take a look here for some instructions for Java on ubuntu:09:19
HappyFool!java09:19
uboturumour has it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.09:19
BrunellusI'mr eading the docs...09:19
Brunellusarse09:19
Une-ga-dihi /msg nickserv link09:19
signiusBrunellus its not that bad at all from what i remember i was a real newbie when i go thtem working09:19
Brunellusthey revised the card.  my card ( version B) won't run.09:20
MrMaDSeNPuff-n-Stuff: I dont get the F8 menu when i push F8 again.. thats my problem09:20
Brunellusbadness ins't the issue09:20
ramdiazthanks09:20
Brunellusheavy lifting is.  iwthout that wlan card, that computer has no 'net access...09:20
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Brunellusand I really don't want to haul it down two flights just to plug in.  *sigh*09:20
Puff-n-StuffMrMaDSeN, try CTRL-TAB or CTRL-ALT-F1 and see if it does anything on the host?09:21
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signiusyou cant beat a prism2 based card or cisco aironet i dont think09:21
Puff-n-Stuffwould anyone happen to have some insight on how to get a microcolutions backpack cdrw working through usb on 5.04?09:21
signiusmy first card was a linksys with a broadcom chipset couldnt get it to work under linux for toffy09:21
Puff-n-Stuffmicrosolutions, rather,09:21
signiusgot the dlink to work with madwifi09:21
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Sergejhow would one go about changing the default language on the system?09:22
signiusi use a bufalo now which is a melco really and apart from the oronico drivers being a pain in the arse for RFMON stuff it otherwise works first in every distro i tried it with on my laptop09:22
signiusthough i have just ordered a cisco aironet09:22
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ValheruLordwhy is not grubconf in repository09:23
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Brunellusugh.09:24
Puff-n-StuffBrunellus, agreed.09:25
signiusbut i cant get airodump or Airtraf to work under ubuntu with the melco orinoco card09:25
signiusnot matter what i do i cant seem to get the card into RFMON mode09:25
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signiusyet kismet can put the card in RFMON mode09:25
signiuswhat the hell am i doing wrong or not doing that i should be doing ?09:25
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demirgHappyFool, i got the source by typing apt-get source xmms09:26
mumblescan i  install something like the  dhcp dump command wich you can do under knoppix?09:26
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demirgHappyFool, it was downloaded automaticaly to /home/demirg/.xmms/xmms-1.2.10/09:27
demirgHappyFool, now what?09:27
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HappyFooldemirg: now you need to tell gdb where it is09:27
HappyFooldemirg: stand by while i launch gdb ;)09:27
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signiusmumbles if you can do it under knoppix you will be able to do it under ubuntu and as they are both debian based it cant be too much work to suss out how to do it09:28
HappyFooldemirg: meanwhile, you can type 'help' in the gdb prompt to get help09:28
mumblesyeh09:28
mumblesi downlaoded it via synoptic09:28
mumblesbut wheni turn and run dhcp dump it dosent work09:28
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mumblesas in $dhcp dump09:29
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Doonzyay09:29
Doonzits all good09:29
ubuquit09:29
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tomikihola a todos09:30
demirgHappyFool: ok, waiting...09:30
signiusmumbles i am just installing it now and will try it09:30
mumblesok09:30
mumblesi worked out how to do i on my other machene09:30
mumblesbut cant seem to get it to work now09:30
jasoncohenwell, i goot doonz backup09:30
tomikiis possible install ubuntus in my portatil with a cd usb09:31
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signiusyeah it just hangs doesn it09:31
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mumblestrying to read the man pages:p09:31
MrMaDSeNok... that didn09:31
signiusyeah i am in the man page now also09:31
MrMaDSeNdidn't work... crappy vnc09:31
tomikiis possible install ubuntus in my portatil with a cd usb09:32
HappyFooldemirg: hmm09:32
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HappyFooldemirg: minor problem09:32
demirgHappyFool: what do u mean?09:32
HappyFooldemirg: file $(which xmms) says: "ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ..., stripped"09:32
HappyFooldemirg: i.e., xmms doesn't have debug info09:32
signiusmumbles hardly the most imformative man page i ever read09:33
jasoncohenhow is the vino color setting set? when i log into a friend's vino server, i get 8 bpp. when i log into my own i get 24 bpp09:33
tomikiis possible install ubuntus in my portatil with a cd usb09:33
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mumblesyeh09:33
HappyFooldemirg: if you *really* want to track this down, you can probably recompile xmms with debug info in09:33
HappyFooldemirg: the alternative is just to use some other player09:34
demirgHappyFool: no thanks :)09:34
HappyFooldemirg: people here have recommended 'beep-media-player', which is apparently similar to xmms09:34
HappyFooldemirg: i use rhythmbox, myself09:34
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Kyralits basically the GTK2 version of XMMS09:34
signiusmumbles have you got tcpdump installed and working ?09:34
mumblesi have the man pages for it...09:35
mumblesgoes to check synoptic09:35
demirgHappyFool: i installed beep too, but i does not work either09:35
HappyFooldemirg: hrm09:35
demirgHappyFool: it does not09:35
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mumblessignius,  they are09:36
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signiusmumbles actually i am not sure of it working or not as there doesnt appear to be any verbose output switch for dhcpdump09:36
demirgHappyFool: do i need to configure some options in beep?09:36
othernoobhow do i check the firmware of a cd/dvd drive?09:36
HappyFooldemirg: i'm not sure; when you say 'does not work', do you mean segfault or something else?09:36
signiusmumbles i havnt used this before how does it take for you to capture data when you run dhcpdump under knoppix09:37
signiusmumbles How long i meant09:37
mumblesit just shows up in the terminal i ran the program in09:38
mumblesinstantley09:38
ChurcH_of_FoamY>.<09:38
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signiusmumbles Will it only catch DHCP requests tho ?09:38
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demirgHappyFool: i choose an mp3 file to play, it does not do anything09:38
paineshi09:38
mumblesit normaly shows eveything that goes in and out of your comtpuer09:38
signiusmumbles So does it have to wait until a DHCP packet is transmitted09:38
ChurcH_of_FoamYcan customers get any dumber than the ones that i have? >.<09:38
demirgHappyFool: rhythmbox works though :)09:38
SeveasChurcH_of_FoamY, yes09:39
ChurcH_of_FoamYSeveas,09:39
Seveascustomer stpidity is infinite :)09:39
mumblesSeveas ChurcH_of_FoamY, yes - seconded09:39
paineswhere can I lear about how to become a ubuntu developer and provider packages ?09:39
ChurcH_of_FoamYSeveas, you ant seen these kind before09:39
signiusmumbles So how does dhcpdump differ from tcpdump ?09:39
Seveaspaines, wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU09:39
ChurcH_of_FoamYcomplete morons when it comes to computers09:39
demirgHappyFool: i do get the same error: "Segmentation fault" when i try to run mplayer, too09:39
mumblessignius, dunno actally09:39
Seveaspaines, and apt-get install maint-guide for a packaging manual09:39
demirgHappyFool that's why i am tryin to fix it09:39
mumblesbut tcp dump dosent work either09:39
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ChurcH_of_FoamYit's taken me 30hrs to fix there system and i'm still not done yet >.<09:40
demirgHappyFool, xmms is not important but mplayer rocks :)09:40
mumblesstrange09:40
mumblesit works now09:40
SeveasChurcH_of_FoamY, :|09:40
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea09:40
rickyanyone feel like helping with a sound problem?09:40
ploumBonsoir a tous09:40
signiusmumbles tcpdump is 100% working on my laptop09:40
ChurcH_of_FoamYthey fried there hardware by pluging 2 power cables into there cd-rom09:40
mumblesyeh it jus tstarted to work now09:40
painesSeveas: thank you very much09:40
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signiusmumbles but dhcpdump is just sitting there with a blinking curser09:40
ChurcH_of_FoamYone fd0 and one hda power cable into the same device09:40
mumblesyep09:40
mumblesouch09:41
binaif Ive downloaded the java SDK (j2ee something :) ) do I need to download the JRE?09:41
SeveasChurcH_of_FoamY, how on earth is that possible :|09:41
ChurcH_of_FoamYand the fd0 cable was plugged into the sound out >.<09:41
Seveasargh,,,09:41
mumbleswtf09:41
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea09:41
MrMaDSeNdemirg: try using vlc media player... easy to use.. easy to install09:41
mumblesright09:41
mumblesi know now what my perfered job is09:41
ChurcH_of_FoamYit frid the power supply the cd-rom the ethernet card the motherboard and cpu and i don't know what else yet09:42
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demirgHappyFool: apt-get install vlc?09:42
signiusmumbles it looks like you cant start tcpdump while dhcpdump is running09:42
bluefoxicyCan anyone recommend a good Linksys or Netgear WIFI adaptor for PCI for my desktop?09:42
ChurcH_of_FoamYi'm still finding surprises and i've replaced more of the studd09:42
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ChurcH_of_FoamYsuff09:42
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ChurcH_of_FoamYstuff even >.<09:42
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HappyFooldemirg: um, i'm not sure09:42
tommyhow do i get ventrilo to autostart as daemon?09:42
Razor-Xany bittornado users here?09:42
MrMaDSeNdemirg: look at the vlc homepage first........ add to your apt sources.list  then apt-get install vlc :)09:42
mumblesi go to an new office with other people - put in new system- and then bugger off09:42
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naliothRazor-X: you using a guil?09:43
Razor-XVLC kicks ass09:43
signiussorry was being dumb i was trying to run tcpdump as auser and not as root09:43
HappyFooldemirg: how about something like 'aplay /usr/share/sounds/generic.wav' ?09:43
Razor-Xnalioth: hell no09:43
Razor-Xbtdownloadcurses.bittornado ;)09:43
demirgHappyFool: :)09:43
naliothRazor-X: whats the question09:43
knudsen_Hello. I have just installed proftpd, and I would like to add users without actually adding users to my system. I have created a file, ftpd.passwd, but how do I make proftdp use this in stead of /etc/passwd?09:43
Razor-Xnalioth: speed09:43
Razor-XI have --minport 6800 and --maxport 699909:43
mumbleswell least i can now see whas going on09:43
naliothRazor-X: bt gives what you give09:43
demirgHappyFool: it is cool09:43
Razor-Xbut, it's still getting lousy ass speed09:43
kafeinei want to create a user with very limited avaible actions, for example, only logging in, starting firefox, and logging off. someone to help me?09:43
Razor-Xnalioth: Azureus gives me much better09:43
HappyFooldemirg: hrm09:43
HappyFooldemirg: sorry, i'm getting out of my depth09:44
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naliothRazor-X: disregard 68xx anything, --minport 6969 --maxport 6399909:44
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naliothRazor-X: so use azureus09:44
Razor-Xnalioth: that's a hell of a port range09:44
bluefoxicybah screw it.09:44
Razor-XAzureus goes 100% CPU on me09:44
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naliothRazor-X: the ports are for people to find YOU09:44
mumblesffs09:44
demirgHappyFool: pardon me 'cool' means good, beatiful.... right?09:44
mumblesi made a website for an organisation09:45
mumblesand no one is fucking using it09:45
Razor-Xnalioth: I only use 3 simeltaneous uploads09:45
mumblesand when i remined em they go - not now09:45
Razor-Xcapped at 19 k/s09:45
naliothRazor-X: only 3?09:45
HappyFooldemirg: it means lots of things. roughly 'good' ;)09:45
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Razor-Xand the max i've ever gotten is 300 k/s with those settings09:45
demirgHappyFool: ok :)09:46
HappyFoolRazor-X: you're using ERC, right?09:46
demirgHappyFool: thanks very much by the way09:46
naliothRazor-X: i'm confused. i've used "gnu screen + bt~curses.b~nado" and had dozens of instances goin09:46
Razor-XHappyFool: yeah, of course09:46
HappyFooldemirg: ok. good luck.09:46
HappyFoolRazor-X: do you have the ScrollToScreenBottom (err.. forgot the name just at the mo) thing installed?09:46
Razor-Xnalioth: well, I have 3 simeltaneous uploads per torrent09:46
Razor-XHappyFool: couldn't get it working09:47
HappyFoolRazor-X: hrm09:47
Razor-XI just ended up getting used to my floating input line09:47
tritiumheh, I'm helping my 57-year-old mom use Warty/OpenOffice via VNC09:47
HappyFoolRazor-X: i don't mind the input line, but the text jumping up to halfway bugs me09:47
Razor-Xmy eyes have gotten used to it after a while09:47
Razor-XHappyFool: yeah, took me a bit of getting used to, but after that, it helps09:47
Razor-Xif need be, I just C-u 0 C-l09:47
HappyFoolhrm09:47
HappyFooloh well, i'll wait for version 5 to be in ubuntu09:48
Razor-Xor M-v as needed09:48
Razor-XI downloaded erc09:48
Razor-Xthat way, you don't have to reload emacs09:48
Razor-Xjust extract it, and add in the elisp functions09:48
Razor-Xsame with emms09:48
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Razor-Xand don't forget M->09:49
HappyFoolyeah, i know all those :P09:49
HappyFooli just want it not to jump09:49
Razor-Xyeah, I know ;)09:49
Razor-Xyeah, it used to be annoying09:49
Razor-Xbut trust me, after a while, it becomes reflex09:50
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HappyFoolit's nice having all the emacs keys again09:50
Razor-XI know, I don't know how I lived without erc09:50
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HappyFoolbut i do feel like a bit of an emacs-nerd ;)09:50
Razor-XHappyFool: I have no reservations ;)09:50
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Razor-XI rarely ever leave my emacs09:50
Razor-XI even play nethack here09:50
HappyFoolheh09:50
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Razor-Xhell, if i'm in the mood for emacs internet, I use Conkeror09:50
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signius_mumbles I am beginning to think that dhcpdump is broken i just deliberatly created some dhcp packets and traffic on my lan and nothing appeard09:51
Razor-Xwhile it's technically not emacs, it uses just about the same bindings09:51
HappyFoolaj09:51
HappyFoolah, even09:51
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wrtpeepswhat repository is x-window-manager-core on?09:51
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HappyFoolwrtpeeps: do you mean x-window-system-core?09:52
wrtpeepsah, maybe that's it09:52
wrtpeepsthanks09:52
wrtpeepsexit09:52
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sophtpawhi all, wondered if someone might be able to tell me. Why does flightgear not run from 'Run Application'09:53
sophtpawSynaptic confirms that it is installed, yet it won't run?!09:53
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tritiumsophtpaw, you should probably read the docs in /usr/share/doc/flightgear09:53
HappyFoolsophtpaw: i think it might need a fair number of run-time parameters09:54
Belutzi just installed apache from source.... and i create a script apache.sh and put it in /etc/init.d why it doesn't start automatically?09:54
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HappyFoolsophtpaw: the ms-windows version has a launcher -- i don't know if the linux/ubuntu one does09:54
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sophtpawbut i had synaptic install flightgear, should i not expct it to run09:54
tritiumBelutz, why didn't you install the ubuntu package?09:54
sophtpawhappy fool, so how would you suggest i launch it?09:54
HappyFoolBelutz: it needs to be linked in appropriate /etc/rc?.d directories09:54
HappyFoolsophtpaw: i'd suggest doing what tritium says09:54
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tritiumBelutz, use update-rc.d for your custom initscript09:55
Belutztritium: i got problem with integration with php-mysql, and donno how to make it work09:55
sophtpawyes, read the docs?09:55
tritiumIt seems it would be easier to use ubuntu's apache, though09:55
sophtpawand the docs will tell me how to launch maybe?09:55
tritiumsophtpaw, yes09:55
HappyFoolsophtpaw: also, try running it from the command-line, i.e., Applications -> system tools -> command line09:55
Belutzow ic ic... i'll try it09:55
sophtpawok, thx tritium09:55
tritiumno problem, sophtpaw :)09:55
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sophtpawsorry, but how do i ask to read the doc??09:56
sophtpawcd ls or something?09:57
tritiumsophtpaw, all packages contain docs in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>09:57
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DraK0nu09:57
tritiumso, cd /usr/share/doc/flightgear09:57
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tritiumsometimes, they're gzipped, so I often use "zless README.Debian.gz", for example09:58
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CargolNethi, exists any application that a user could associate the extension .deb to just click it and get it installed? something like;" gnome-sudo dpkg -i $1"09:58
signius_mumbles are you still there ?09:58
sophtpawtritium: sorry, i'm not so good at this09:58
sophtpawthis is the transcript:09:59
sophtpawconrad@x1-6-00-0b-6a-16-78-f0conrad:~$ cd /usr/share/doc/flighgear09:59
sophtpawbash: cd: /usr/share/doc/flighgear: No such file or directory09:59
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jvs_good evening09:59
HappyFoolflightgear09:59
HappyFoolnot flighgear09:59
sophtpawai09:59
Dr_Fategnomebaker is so buggy its unuseable, why is it on the ubuntuguide page?09:59
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sophtpawno, excuse for not being able to spell :)10:00
Dr_Fateand what other gui burner beside nautilus' do ppl use, non KDE of course10:00
sophtpawand then ls10:00
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signius_mumbles from what i am reading it looks like you need to pipe the output of tcpdump through dhcpdump but i am unsure of the command to do this10:00
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HappyFoolsophtpaw: yip10:00
gnobodydoes x work in Breezy?10:00
samuone thing that gets on my nerves with linux "Unrecognized command line option "--help", try "-help"."10:00
HappyFoolsophtpaw: you could also try 'flightgear --help'10:01
sophtpawHappyFool: ok, well first of all i got a list of Readmes - how do i open one up?10:01
signius_mumbles i assume it is just tcpdump -v | dhcpdump10:01
sophtpawconrad@x1-6-00-0b-6a-16-78-f0conrad:/usr/share/doc/flightgear$ ls10:02
sophtpawAptNavFAQ.FlightGear.html  README.fgjs           README.protocol10:02
sophtpawAUTHORS                    README.gui.gz         README.running.gz10:02
sophtpawchangelog.Debian.gz        README.introduction   README.SimGear10:02
sophtpawchangelog.gz               README.IO.gz          README.sound10:02
sophtpawcopyright                  README.IRIX           README.src10:02
sophtpawFlightGear-FAQ.html        README.Joystick       README.TerraSync10:02
HappyFoolsophtpaw: try 'less <filename>'10:02
sophtpawNEWS.gz                    README.JSBSim         README.uiuc.gz10:02
sophtpawREADME                     README.jsclient       README.Unix10:02
sophtpawREADME.autoconf            README.Linux.gz       README.Win32-X10:02
HappyFoolsophtpaw: please don't paste here...10:02
sophtpawREADME.commands.gz         README.logging        README.xmlhud.gz10:02
sophtpawREADME.conditions.gz       README.MacOS          README.xmlpanel.gz10:02
sophtpawREADME.Cygwin              README.MSVC           README.xmlsound.gz10:02
sophtpawREADME.Debian              README.multiplayer    README.xmlsyntax.gz10:02
HappyFool*sigh*10:02
sophtpawREADME.electrical.gz       README.plib           Thanks.gz10:02
sophtpawREADME.extensions          README.properties.gz10:02
sophtpawok10:02
Amaranthack10:02
sophtpaw:(10:02
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signius_sophtpaw STOP10:02
HappyFoolsophtpaw: if the file ends in .gz, use 'zless' instead, so 'zless README.electrical.gz', for example10:02
sophtpawsorry i don't know the rules of engagement10:02
HappyFoolsophtpaw: otherwise, just 'less README'10:03
signius_sophtpaw use http://paste.ubuntu.nl as stated at the top of the chat room10:03
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HappyFoolsophtpaw: i recall flightgear as being a little tricky to run from the command line10:03
Seveascommon sense should tell you the same...10:03
mumblessignius,  sorry was getting irritated10:03
martz_if anyone knows how to correctly set up dual monitors with an ati card, please message me... i've got most of it set up but it's not working right10:03
mumblestheres fuckall happering over here10:03
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rickyi'd be happy enough with working ati drivers10:04
signius_mumbles i am trying the piped command now to see what happens10:04
rickyor sound for that matter10:04
mumblesok10:04
signius_mumbles it didnt complain when i entered it10:04
rickyare there any known sound problems with amd64?10:04
signius_but to be honest i am unsure what should happen10:04
mumblesive given up .. tcpdump is working10:05
mumblesthanks for help signius10:05
signius_mumbles thats not the attitude10:05
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mumbleswill give it another go in about 1/2 an hour10:05
signius_ok no problem10:06
signius_im off for a bit off food for a bit10:06
HappyFoolricky: more likely with your soundcard / chipset. Take a look here maybe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsSoundCards10:06
signius_i ll be back soon10:06
mumblesbut am getting serisouly buggered off with other stuff10:06
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signius_what elsegiving you hassle ?10:06
mumblesnothing ubnutnu10:06
rickythanks, i did already, but i can't seem to find too much10:06
signius_ok10:06
signius_bbl10:06
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rickyit's just a basic realtek ac97 onboard card10:07
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rickythe modules are loaded and it looks like its working fine, but no sound10:07
Belutztritium: it works, the apache.sh is executed on boot :D thx :D10:07
DraK0nne1 willing to help me get some codecs installed? never used Linux befire10:08
HappyFoolricky: take a look at 'alsamixer'10:09
HappyFoolricky: make sure PCM / master channels are not muted10:09
HappyFoolricky: sometimes some of the weirder line-in channels must be muted (or something like that)10:09
Belutzis there any wifi manager for gnome?10:09
rickylooks all up10:09
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HappyFoolricky: note they mustn't be muted (have an 'MM' below the bars)10:11
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rickyyah i checked10:11
Dr_MelectausIve got a bit of a problom and its getting rather annoying, i tried to install ut2k4 earlier on today and my laptop couldnt detect the disc (dvd version) i tried for a good while to get it to detect it but had no luck. So i resorted to copying the files onto a windows machine i have on my network, and copied them over from the windows machine to this laptop. i managed to get the installer running but now its asking for me to mount the play disc- w10:11
Dr_Melectaushich it doesnt detect10:11
rickyall say 00, im guessing 100 but cut off10:11
Dr_Melectausso any chance someone could help me sort my problom10:11
tritiumBelutz, :)10:12
HappyFoolricky: no, the level is below (100<>100). Maybe 'Open' (?). anyway, sorry, that's my best guess10:12
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Dr_Melectausthe level is not equal to 100 ?10:12
patrickjhey im using openbox and i need to know how to get something to run on startup, not through session manager10:12
rickyit is10:12
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rickyall cranked to max10:12
Dr_Melectausso is anyone willing to help me?10:13
Kyrallike my stereo..... </Dark Helmet>10:13
Belutztritium: after i finish my project, or have some free time, maybe i'll try to install apache and php from the package again and try to work it out, thx for your help :D10:13
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Brunellusso I'm going to have to build new madwifi drivers10:14
Brunelluswhich will of course break after every kernel patch10:14
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tritiumBelutz, no problem.  Good luck!  :)10:15
KyralI am so happy that my Wireless card was supported in the kernel10:15
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Belutztritium: do you know how to automatically virus-scan all outgoing email? i'm using thunderbird and clamav10:16
joevandykCan someone recommend a wireless (PCI or USB) card that will work with 64 bit ubuntu?10:16
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Kyraljoevandyk, I know that Orinco cards are supported in the Kernel10:16
joevandykOnes that need ndiswrapper are pretty much out, unless there's a 64 bit windows driver.10:16
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tritiumBelutz, no, I'm sorry..10:16
joevandykWhat wireless cards use the orinco chipset?10:16
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patrickjanyone?10:17
KyralActually its the Atheros chipset10:17
Belutztritium: ok, thx :)10:17
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Kyralbut the Orinico brand uses them (I dunno if I spelled it right)10:17
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joevandykI have a Airlink card that uses the acx_111 chipset.  It works, but it's really SLOW.  I can only download stuff at 20KB/s.10:17
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Kyrallemme scan Newegg for them10:18
joevandykBut, if I use bittorrent, then I can download at 100 KB/s, as I can download at 20KB/s per connection.  It's weird.10:18
joevandykthanks!10:18
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samuanyone know how to get lynx to not display the list of extra links and stuff at the bottom of the page?10:19
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leonard144jhello10:20
leonard144jnew user here10:20
Kyraljoevandyk, all these have the Atheros chipset10:20
Kyralhttp://customerproducts.atheros.com/customerproducts/ResultsPageBasic.asp10:20
Kyralleonard144j, what can we do for you?10:21
leonard144jneed some very newbie advice10:21
Kyraland Welcome to the Wonderful World of Linux <Insert Copyleft Logo Here>10:21
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Dr_MelectausIve got a bit of a problom and its getting rather annoying, i tried to install ut2k4 earlier on today and my laptop couldnt detect the disc (dvd version) i tried for a good while to get it to detect it but had no luck. So i resorted to copying the files onto a windows machine i have on my network, and copied them over from the windows machine to this laptop. i managed to get the installer running but now its asking for me to mount the play disc- w10:21
Dr_Melectaushich it doesnt detect10:21
mattik_Hello. Need you identifying before you answer the questions?10:22
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leonard144jsure...how to id?10:22
jk24Hello10:22
KyralDr_Melectaus, do you have a DVD reader </dumb question>10:22
Dr_Melectausyes Kyral10:23
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KyralIdentify? WTF mate?10:23
robotgeek:)10:23
KyralOkay10:23
Dr_Melectausthats what the disc is in10:23
Kyralalways good to check the stupid questions :D10:23
robotgeeksure,we dont mind!10:23
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Dr_Melectausindeed10:23
ChurcH_of_FoamYcan i take the hard drives out of my celeron 1ghz and put them into a pentium III 600mhz motherboard and still have my linux i686?10:23
Dr_MelectausBut have you any idea why it isnt detecting the disc?10:23
KyralAnyway, I use the 6 Disc version of UT2k410:23
SeveasChurcH_of_FoamY, yes10:23
Dr_Melectausive tried mounting it manually10:23
mattik_leonard144j: I didn't remember my password... Maybe I must find new nick...10:23
ChurcH_of_FoamYand it will work with no problem?10:23
Dr_Melectausbut nothing is happening10:23
Kyralis the disc clean?10:23
leonard144jQuestion: Just switched from 98 to Ubuntu...lost my zonealarm...10:24
Dr_Melectausyes10:24
Kyralleonard144j, ZA isn't on Linux10:24
robotgeekfirestarter10:24
leonard144j...do i need a firewall?10:24
Kyralnot that you need it10:24
Dr_Melectausi installed it on my older mor eunreliable windows machine earlier10:24
leonard144j...cool...firewall not needed then.... thanks10:24
KyralYou can use FireStarter, but like I said you don't really need it10:24
Dr_Melectausfirestarter? i have that10:25
Dr_Melectausbut dont know what its for10:25
joevandykAnyone know why a wireless card would work, but be really slow?10:25
KyralFirewall :D10:25
leonard144jfirestarter....thanks...i'll check it ouit10:25
Dr_Melectausahhh10:25
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Kyraljoevandyk, Low signal strength...10:25
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Dr_Melectausi got confuzzled with kickstart Kyral10:25
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Dr_Melectausi have firestarter up and running10:25
Kyralkickstart?10:25
Dr_Melectausyea10:25
Kyraloh  lol10:25
Kyraleh I don't know whatr kickstart is10:25
robotgeekjoevandyk, how far away are u from the router?10:25
leonard144jdoes firestarter do antivirus?10:25
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Kyralleonard144j, no10:26
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Kyralagain, not like you need it10:26
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leonard144jwhat should I have for antivirus protection?10:26
Kyralyou can install clamav if you wanna be 100% sure10:26
Kyralbut you don't need it10:26
robotgeekleonard144j, u don't need one10:26
LinuxJonesleonard144j, not necessary10:26
leonard144ji am so used to being paranoid... this is new for me...10:26
Kyraljust keep the system updated and you will be fine10:27
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KyralBe free my Brother10:27
leonard144jlol10:27
Kyralyou are safe now10:27
Kyraland with friends :D10:27
robotgeekyeah, i just have it in my cron job to run updates at 3:00 am10:27
robotgeekand i don't even have to worry abt updates!10:27
Kyralhow the hell do you set a cronjob anyway10:27
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Kyralwe need an idiot proof GUI for Cron10:28
robotgeek/etc/crontab10:28
KyralI know where it is10:28
HappyFoolKyral: 'man 5 crontab' and 'man crontab'10:28
robotgeekit's just a line which u need to add :)10:28
LinuxJonesKyral, there is also gcron10:28
Kyralthen how do you get around the sudo thing10:28
Zartanok. :) Now I have new nick. I like to know how I install nvidia-modules to new kernel. I installed kernel 2.6.11 and if I start it I don't get X running.10:28
joevandykkyral, robotgeek, My signal strength is fine.  I've got laptops next to the computer that can download at 500KB/s.10:28
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robotgeekKyral, just run as user root10:29
Kyraljoevandyk, try manually changing the throughput on the wireless card10:29
DraK0nanyone willing to help me get sound working...codecs didn't install, and everytime I try it says it couldn't find the packages10:29
joevandykIt's weird, because it seems that I'm limited to a maximum download of 15-20 KB/s per connection.  If I start another download, it'll go that fast for it.10:29
HappyFoolKyral: you can use the crontab program to install user crontab files10:29
HappyFoolKyral: it's not terribly difficult10:29
LinuxJonesDraK0n, what files are you trying to play ?10:29
DraK0nmp3, ogg, avi10:29
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DraK0nnew to linux tho10:29
LinuxJonesDraK0n, but your sound is working tho right ?10:30
Kyralits not like I'm a newbie, but for some reason adding crontabs never really clicked with me10:30
sempsteenhi all!10:30
DraK0nnot for cd's either, it's installed my caRD THO10:30
joevandykAnd meanwhile, my other linux laptops are downloading at really fast speeds.10:30
joevandykI'm just wondering if I need to get a better supported wireless nic.10:30
robotgeeki just got pissed with running apt-get everytime10:30
robotgeekjoevandyk, u had a orinoco right?10:30
joevandykNo, a acx_11010:30
Kyralrobotgeek, thing is, the commands are never more than like 6 entries back in my Bash History :P10:30
sempsteenwhy don't u use package manager?10:31
Kyralme?10:31
Kyralbecause I like the command line10:31
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LinuxJonesDraK0n, you can install gstreamer0.8-plugins10:31
robotgeeksempsteen, me...cause it's faster!10:31
sempsteenno robotgeek10:31
Kyraland I have alias set like crazy to make it easy10:31
ZartanI have kernel 2.6.10 and 2.6.11. How I update nvidia drivers for newer kernel?10:31
sempsteenyeah i tihnk so10:31
joevandykKyral, the throughput?  iwconfig says that the bit rate is 1 Mb/s.10:31
DraK0nwhen I try to install them it says it cant find the packages10:31
DraK0nit's pissing me off10:31
Subliminalon the java wiki entry for installing on hoary, apt-get tells me it cant find package java-package10:32
LinuxJonesDraK0n, ok you have to add the universe repositories10:32
robotgeekjoevandyk, set that to 54 MB/s, though you will have to read ur driver documentation to do that10:32
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DraK0nhow>10:32
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DraK0ndon't see it in package manager10:33
sempsteenhey guys where can i obtain channels list?10:33
LinuxJonesDraK0n, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.lst and make the line look like this >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe10:33
HappyFoolSeveas: you around?10:34
robotgeekKyral, '30 3    * * *   root    apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' will update ur system at 3.30 am everyday10:34
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joevandykrobotgeek, I did "iwconfig wlan0 rate 54Mb" and it now says that the bitrate is 54 Mb/s.10:34
Kyralrobotgeek, where do I add that?10:34
robotgeekjoevandyk, cool..but did ur downloads get any faster10:34
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LinuxJonesDraK0n, once you've done that open synaptic and hit the reload button top left and search again10:34
robotgeekKyral, /etc/crontab10:35
DraK0nk one sec10:35
joevandykrobotgeek, when i set it to 54Mb/s, I think the connection was lost.10:35
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robotgeekjoevandyk, :010:35
Kyralrobotgeek, sokay, i enjoy seeing the updates :D10:35
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HappyFoolgood night10:35
robotgeekjoevandyk, u might want to  sudo dhclient wlan010:35
robotgeekKyral, to each his own!10:36
DraK0nswwet now I have a lot more to install..gonna try now10:36
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KnowerrorsGday all10:36
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magyar /quit10:37
ilba7ri could not find it on google. Is there a spell checker that check double words for linux? Aspell does not perform this check10:37
KnowerrorsAnybody here with a savage card that got DRI working?10:37
Subliminalon the java wiki entry for installing on hoary, apt-get tells me it cant find package java-package10:37
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Subliminalon the java wiki entry for installing java on hoary, going throught the instructions, apt-get tells me it cant find package java-package10:38
robotgeeksorry, turned off the announce away10:38
dArtagnanAnyone has experience with Savage (game) with ubuntu?10:38
jk24Subliminal, it's in multiverse10:38
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Subliminaljk24: i'm sure i've enabled that10:39
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thelowis there native support for (laptop) screen brightness in ubuntu?10:40
jk24Subliminal, java-package: 0.23 0 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Packages10:40
robotgeekthelow, which laptop do u have? AFAIK, ubuntu does that10:40
thelowapple powerbook G410:40
mortified_penguiHey, when i try to open the package manager or any other app that needs root access it gives me this error: Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic:10:40
mortified_pengui Child terminated with 1 status Does anyone know how to fix this? thanks10:40
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robotgeekthelow, yup...it has that10:41
robotgeekthelow, which model do u have?10:41
thelownice. where do you find it?10:41
thelowpowerbook G4 aluminium 1.5GHz10:41
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Discipulushmm10:42
robotgeekthelow, try "sudo apt-get install pbbuttonsd gtkpbuttons"10:42
DiscipulusI `apt-get install hydra-gtk` but now I can't find it...10:42
LinuxJonesDraK0n, sorry dude I don't do dcc :)10:42
DraK0ncool10:42
joevandykOrinico chipsets for wireless are supposed to work well too, right?10:42
DraK0ngot the stuff re-installed, still no sound10:42
thelowoh10:42
Subliminaljk24: dont think i have that one10:42
robotgeekjoevandyk, yeah..i had to actually struggle quite a bit with mine10:43
LinuxJonesDraK0n, do you have any sound at all ?10:43
DraK0nnone10:43
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LinuxJonesDraK0n, open the mixer control and make sure nothing is muted or turned down.10:43
DraK0nkeep getting a message sating theres no decompressors10:43
DraK0nalready did10:43
casparquestion10:43
joevandykrobotgeek, how come?10:43
casparmy WIreless network dous not work10:43
odeezSubliminal: you didnt have to come all the way here, I could have sorted that for you back home :-P10:44
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LinuxJonesDraK0n, mp3 playback should work at least10:44
dArtagnanAnyone experience with installing Savage?10:44
jk24Subliminal, apt-cache search java-package10:44
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DraK0nnot even CD, or video werks10:44
DiscipulusI `apt-get install hydra-gtk` but now I can't find it...10:44
jk24Subliminal, or apt-cache policy java-package10:44
Subliminalty10:44
engieHi. I'm trying to resize my root partition using parted, but I need to unmount it. This scares me, also how will I run parted if it's unmounted?10:44
robotgeeki use ralink, which just now went gpl, but it's improving with every release!10:44
jk24dArtagnan, you may give us an url of savage10:44
justin`engie: it's called use a live cd10:44
DraK0nit's only like that on the laptops we got from school, the HO another kid got werks fine on install10:44
casparThe wireless is viseble10:45
casparplease help me10:45
dArtagnanofficial url or the download urls?10:45
engiejustin`: fair enough10:45
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joevandykIt would be great if I could find a list that I could print out that contained a list of all good wireless usb/pci cards that I could take to Fry's with me.  I really only need 802.11b.10:45
jk24engie, boot on a cd10:45
dArtagnanhttp://www.savagedownload.tk/ - http://www.s2games.com/savage10:45
mortified_penguiengie -- you could use a boot disk10:46
mortified_penguiopps, too late10:46
D1whats a good easy ftp server to configure in ubuntu?10:46
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patrickjello10:46
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jk24dArtagnan, what's your problem ?10:47
patrickjI have a problem and im seeking a solution10:47
patrickjis it possible to find it here?10:47
jk24dArtagnan, i cannot download 320Mo now10:47
jk2410:47
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Hoxzerhow do I change window in screen?10:47
dArtagnanAfter the install of the game, 2.00c and SEP I only get a black screen10:47
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DraK0nbeen using the help guide for like 2 days, but still have nothing to play the music files with..all the hardware is installed, and have MPlayer that won't install too10:48
mortified_penguihey, does anyone know why i get this error:  Child terminated with 1 status ?10:48
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patrickjCan anyone help me?10:48
jk24dArtagnan, the web talk about patches10:48
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patrickjive stated my problem 50 time sbefore and noone seems to know anything, but i though this was a support channel?10:49
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dArtagnanyes, I wrote that website myself :P10:49
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ernubuntu in spanish?10:49
dArtagnanYou have to patch the game with 2.00c and a community-made patch10:49
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casparsorry for disconnect10:50
DraK0nscrew this I'm quiting to windows to listen to a fucking mp3 then10:50
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casparbut can someone help me with my wireless card?10:50
Kyralwhy didn't he install w32codecs?10:50
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robotgeeksure10:51
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robotgeekcaspar, state ur problem!10:51
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casparthe wireless card just sais error10:51
casparunknown device10:52
LinuxJonescaspar, have you seen this >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto10:52
jk24dArtagnan, a sound 'lock' problem ? can it be launch without sound ?10:52
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dArtagnanno idea10:52
dArtagnanhave to check that10:52
mortified_penguihey, does anyone know why i get this error:  Child terminated with 1 status ?10:52
Golen42no idea10:52
no_gatez_fantrying to change some permissions...i thought chmod -R 777 /any/file would work  ...any ideas?10:53
terrificubuntu uahhh10:53
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dArtagnanchmod 0777 file10:53
no_gatez_fank will run that10:54
no_gatez_fanstandby10:54
casparthe wificard dous not show in the ifconfig -a list10:54
terrificdoes anybody know a good step by step user (noob) guide to linux terminals10:54
no_gatez_fan:( nope didnt work10:55
casparlinuxjones?10:55
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DiscipulusI `apt-get install hydra-gtk` but now I can't find it...10:55
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mortified_penguicaspar -- did you try iwconfig10:56
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dArtagnanterrific, go to console and press help, not a tutorial, but it shows you all the commands10:56
dArtagnan*type help10:56
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casparrobotgeek10:57
robotgeekis your wireless card supported?10:57
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casparit is standart in my laptop10:57
casparso i donno10:57
robotgeekcaspar, which laptop do u have?10:58
casparHP zv500010:58
robotgeek!repositories10:58
ubotuI guess repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto10:58
engi1Hi. I'm trying to resize my ubuntu-created ext3 partition from parted running from a knoppix 3.7 CD, but it sais "Filesystem has incompatible feature enabled". How do I prod it into resizing the partition10:58
engi1?10:58
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jk24engi1, the ubuntu install is able to resize partitions...10:59
Blissexengi1: the incompatible feature most likely is the log.10:59
[D] patrickhi i have a problem, i had install mplayer-plugin for firefox and the VLC. Now i removed the mplayer plugin because i want to use VLC only in firefox but i heard only the sound by wmv movies and no pictures... why?10:59
DiscipulusI `apt-get install hydra-gtk` but now I can't find it...11:00
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robotgeekcaspar, sorry no idea...11:00
casparrobotgeek, do you know somone who can have an ID11:00
tritiumDiscipulus, use "dpkg -L hydra-gtk" to see what files the package contains.  You may have to run it from the command line if it doesn't have a proper menu entry11:00
m0r0nHow do I find files greater than 500MB?11:00
jk24Discipulus, it's because apt-get have an conscience control feature :)11:00
m0r0nfind / -size > ?11:01
ZartanSo I have installed nvidia driver by notes of ubuntuguide. Now I installed kernel 2.6.11 and restart and I don't get graphical mode running. Do I apt-get dist-upgrade or what I do?11:01
flodineneed to take a screenshot can i get some help11:01
robotgeeksystem -> take screenshot, or print screen11:01
tritiumZartan, 2.6.11 is unsupported, and doesn't have the nvidia kernel module, as there are no linux-restricted-modules for 2.6.1111:01
engi1Arg, where's an ubuntu install CD when you need one11:01
flodinetake screenshot11:01
Zartantritium: Thank you :)11:02
engi1Specifically, all mine are approx. 350miles south of me at the mo...11:02
mortified_penguiIs there anyway to login to ubuntu as root?11:02
robotgeekcaspar, unless u know something abt your wireless card, no one can help you :)11:02
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tritiumZartan, no problem11:02
Zartantritium: How I remove this 2.6.11 kernel11:02
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mortified_penguihey, does anyone know why i get this error:  Child terminated with 1 status ?11:03
darkmattergood afternoon, all:)11:03
tritiumZartan, you can use synaptic, or apt-get remove, or dpkg --purge.  Whichever you prefer11:03
robotgeekmortified_pengui, what does google say?11:03
casparrobotgeek, if i do lspci it sais broadcom corporation bcm4301 802.11b11:03
mortified_penguirobotgeek -- nothing11:03
mortified_penguisome pages in another language that dont translate very good11:04
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jk24mortified_pengui, set a password to root, you'll be able to log with11:04
Zartantritium: Thank you very much. :) I knew only rpm -qa |grep kernel ;) I changed to ubuntu and I'm happy for it :)11:04
[D] patrickhi i have a problem, i had install mplayer-plugin for firefox and the VLC. Now i removed the mplayer plugin because i want to use VLC only in firefox but i heard only the sound by wmv movies and no pictures... why?11:04
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engi1sod it, RIP my laptop's hoary installation for a couple of months of XP (for work use) - soon it'll be back and better than ever.11:04
robotgeekcaspar, i think u need ndiswrapper11:04
tritiumZartan, awesome :)11:05
joevandykubuntu needs a page that has a list of fully-supported hardware (including wireless)11:05
casparwhat?11:05
robotgeek!ndiswrapper11:05
ubotu[ndiswrapper]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper11:05
digitalfoxit has one, joevandyk11:05
robotgeekthat -> casper11:05
mortified_penguijk24 -- a password for what?11:05
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joevandykdigitalfox,  where?11:05
jk24mortified_pengui, root11:05
mortified_penguihow do i do that?11:06
digitalfoxugh. hold on, let me find it11:06
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tritiummortified_pengui, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo11:06
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mortified_penguijk24*11:06
mortified_penguitritium thanks11:07
tritiumsure11:07
joevandykdigitalfox, something like this would be awesome: http://www.linspire.com/linspire_hardware_compatibility.php11:07
digitalfoxjoevandyk, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport11:07
digitalfoxit's very incomplete and very bad, but it's there11:07
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digitalfoxthere's a lot of stuff there that's poorly supported and a lot of stuff that's not there that's very well supported :)11:08
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joevandykdigitalfox, thanks!11:09
patrickjquestion...what default rl is ubuntu on11:09
patrickj2 or 4?11:09
crimsun211:09
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mjrrl?11:09
digitalfoxjoevandyk, what specific question do you have?11:09
crimsunlike Debian.11:09
digitalfoxjoevandyk, I might be useful11:09
crimsun(no runlevel games)11:09
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mjrah, runlevel11:10
casparbrb11:10
joevandykdigitalfox, My currently wireless card is a Airlink one that uses the acx_111 chipset.  But it's really slow.11:10
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digitalfoxmhm11:10
digitalfoxso it works, just slowly?11:11
joevandykdigitalfox, and i have laptops running ubuntu that are 10x faster than it. I get a maximum download speed of 15Kb/s per connection.  But if I use bittorrent, which uses multiple connections, I can download much faster.11:11
flodineanyone use streamtunner11:11
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jk24flodine, sometimes, yes11:11
demirgWhy do i get an error message like: "Segmentation fault" when i try to run xmms or mplayer???11:11
demirgany help11:11
SamuarEvening All.11:11
Belutzhow do i installed .deb packages?11:12
crimsundemirg: need more context11:12
crimsunBelutz: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb11:12
Belutzcrimsun: thx11:12
joevandykdigitalfox, and since acx_111 support is still experimental in linux, i figured i'd need a better supported one.11:12
demirgcrimsun: context?11:12
digitalfoxah11:12
crimsundemirg: simply saying they crash isn't enough information to help you resolve the issue(s)11:12
demirgcrimsun: yea, i know that but that's the only thing i have got now11:13
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demirgcrimsun: it just says "Segmentation fault"11:13
crimsundemirg: help us help you. Tell us what you did. For instance, how did you install mplayer and xmms? What versions are you using?11:14
casparwhen do you tink robotgeek is back?11:14
demirgcrimsun: when i type xmms and hit enter on the console11:14
demirgcrimsun: regular apt-get install xmms11:14
demirgcrimsun: apt-get install mplayer-58611:15
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demirgcrimsun: apt-get install mplayer-fonts mozilla-mplayer11:15
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cyphaseuhh..11:15
demirgcrimsun xmms 1.2.1011:15
cyphasey does closing a firefox tab close the whole window?11:15
Swoop|Arounduhmm might be stupid question, but are you clicking on the close icon on the tab11:16
Swoop|Aroundor the whole browser ?11:16
Swoop|Aroundhehe11:16
demirgcrimsun: and i cant look at mplayer's version11:16
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crimsuncyphase: it closes the tab11:16
cyphaseit should..11:16
caspari can't find ndiswrapper in the list (64 bit)11:16
crimsuncyphase: /join #flood, and paste the output from the following: apt-cache policy xmms mplayer-58611:16
cyphasebut it's only if your on the tab your reading11:16
crimsunerr11:17
crimsuncyphase: sorry11:17
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cyphaselol11:17
crimsundemirg:  /join #flood, and paste the output from the following: apt-cache policy xmms mplayer-58611:17
crimsunsilly nick complete11:17
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demirgcrimsun: ok11:18
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casparsomone knows wher i can get it?11:18
darkmattercyphase, which firefox are you using? If it's 1.0.6, uninstall any extensions (if you have any), as some break Firefox.11:18
cyphasedarkmatter, well, it's the latest one11:20
crimsundemirg: are those the only two applications that segfault?11:20
cyphasea backport of 1.0.6 i think11:20
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demirgcrimsun: i think so11:20
cyphasecaspar, with what?11:20
caspari can't find ndiswrapper11:21
casparand i need it to get my wireless working11:21
demirgcrimsun: my other daily apps are working11:21
crimsundemirg: does it still segfault after a reboot?11:21
crimsundemirg: do they, rather11:21
cyphasecaspar, have you enabled all the repositories?11:21
casparyes11:21
demirgcrimsun: yes, still segfault11:21
caspari use 64 bit11:21
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cyphasecaspar, well, that might be it11:21
xliuwhat is the EOF keys in the terminal11:21
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cyphasexliu, Eon Of File11:22
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cyphaseEnd*11:22
crimsundemirg: were you having problems with the Nvidia drivers yesterday?11:22
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demirgcrimsun: yes11:22
h08817who is good with ndiswrapper?11:22
demirgcrimsun: and i still do :)11:22
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h08817what is the name of the filename for the netgear inf file11:22
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h08817i need to install my netgear wg111 usb driver11:22
xliuI mean, how to tell an application that I have complete the input in the terminal so that app can process the data11:22
crimsundemirg: can you reproduce the segfaults using the nv driver?11:22
Brunellusfoo on wlan!11:22
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pereHow do I change from UTF8 to ISO-8859-1 in Ubuntu?11:23
DekaPinkOh, me, oh my... I can't seem to get 3D games to... not be slow.11:23
demirgcrimsun: today i removed nvidia-kernel-common11:23
bagpuss_thecatanyone able to recommend a bootsplash system for hoary?11:23
h08817anyone good with netgear?11:23
demirgcrimsun: and erased /etc/rc?.d/*nvidia-glx sym links11:23
joevandykSo I found a USB wireless nic.  I plugged it in.  The prism2_usb module gets loaded.  iwconfig shows it. But, it's not showing up in my gnome networking manager.  Why not?11:23
crimsunpere: you need to (1) sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales ; (2) set the default LANG and LC_ALL11:23
joevandykSo I found a USB wireless nic.  I plugged it in.  The prism2_usb module gets loaded.  iwconfig shows it. But, it's not showing up in my gnome networking manager.  Why not?11:23
darkmattercyphase, if it's the 1.06 package you have (which is the latest), then you definitely want to start disabling some extensions. They've been causing nothing but trouble.11:24
xliucyphase, , I mean what is the Keys for EOF11:24
Brunellusno need to flood, joevandyk11:24
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demirgcrimsun: i am already using nv11:24
joevandykBrunellus, sorry, i didn't think it got through.11:24
perethanks crimsun!11:24
Chris_Tuckeri keep having this problem:11:24
Chris_Tuckerhttp://nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=4496611:24
crimsundemirg: oh geez, why did you do all that?11:24
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h08817any1 use ndiswrapper?11:24
DekaPinkCan anyone tell me where I'll find the splash image for gimp?11:24
Brunellusjoevandyk: open a terminal.  $sudo ifup wlan011:24
joevandykBrunellus, i wasn't connected when i sent the first one, but apparently x-chat buffers messages11:24
Brunellusno biggie.11:24
crimsundemirg: paste your Xorg log onto the topic's pastebin11:24
Chris_Tuckeri am currently running kubuntu and wish to switch without reinstalling with another iso11:24
demirgcrimsun: it was just a try to fix this segfault11:25
jaco^anyone has compiled vlc for google video?11:25
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joevandykBrunellus, (I have a PCI wireless, so it's showing up at wlan1).  It says "Ignoring interface wlan1=wlan1"11:25
crimsunChris_Tucker: run sudo apt-get -f11:25
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Brunellusbizarre.  "ignoring?"11:26
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Chris_Tuckercrimsun, with what package?11:26
joevandykActually, ifconfig shows wlan1 with a hardware address of all 0s11:26
joevandykthat's not right11:26
crimsunChris_Tucker: no, just run that.11:26
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ColonelKernelwhat ever happened to chris tucker11:27
demirgcrimsun: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/75611:27
Chris_Tuckerim right here11:27
ColonelKernelthey guy who did rush hour a jackie chan11:27
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Chris_Tuckeroh11:28
Chris_Tuckerdont know11:28
robotgeekjoevandyk, u need to add it to /etc/netwotk/interfaces11:28
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crimsundemirg: that's not the Xorg log. That's the Nvidia installer log, and you shouldn't run that since you've already destroyed half the Ubuntu infrastructure for handling the binary-only Nvidia driver.11:28
robotgeekjoevandyk, network11:29
ubuntudiggeris there any commands or programs i can use to fix errors on my computer, in windows it was called scan disc11:29
ColonelKernelcrimsun, it destroys ubuntu to install the nvidia driver?11:29
crimsunColonelKernel: that's not what I said.11:29
robotgeekubuntudigger, fsck11:29
ubuntudiggerin root terminal11:29
ColonelKernelcrimsun, if theres some problem with installing the nvidia driver on ubuntu plz let me know, so far its working great11:30
joevandyktest11:30
tritiumColonelKernel, did you install the ubuntu package?  There's nothing wrong with that method.11:30
crimsunColonelKernel: demirg attempted to make his install work by randomly removing symlinks.11:30
ColonelKerneltritium, theres an ubuntu package for non-standard kernels?11:30
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ColonelKernelcrimsun, ouch11:30
crimsunagain, please read stuff in context.11:31
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tritiumColonelKernel, for ubuntu kernels11:31
crimsunafternoon, tritium. Feeling more relaxed, I hope? :)11:31
demirgcrimsun: no that's not what i did. i tried to install using sudo sh NVDIA...6.run11:32
Chris_Tuckercrimson, i had to boot the thing back up, but now it seems to have loaded the standard gnome without any problems regardless of that error, yet i am still gonna try and fix that error11:32
ColonelKerneltritium, I compile my own kernels from ubuntu source11:32
tritiumcrimsun, hello to you too.  Yes, quite well, thanks :)11:32
demirgcrimsun: but could not succed11:32
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joevandykBrunellus, back11:32
crimsundemirg: then you removed nvidia-kernel-common and the symlinks for nvidia-glx?11:32
demirgcrimsun: so i thught i did not nedd all that stuff11:32
tritiumColonelKernel, you can use the nvidia-kernel-source package in that case11:32
demirgcrimsun: yes11:32
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crimsundemirg: in any case, that's completely beside the point now. You should paste your Xorg log (/var/log/Xorg.0.log) onto the topic pastebin.11:33
ColonelKerneltritium, what is the difference between that package and the one from nvidia?11:33
joevandykBrunellus, the hardware address of the usb nic is all 00's.  So that's weird especially when the prism2_usb module got loaded ok.11:33
demirgcrimsun: but the segfault problem had already happened before i deleted them11:33
demirgcrimsun: ok11:33
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catolheeek, my firefox just crashed.. :(11:34
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tritiumColonelKernel, nvidia doens't provide anything as well integrated into the package management system11:34
Chris_Tuckercrimsun, i still get the same erro11:34
Chris_Tuckerr11:34
crimsunChris_Tucker: use aptitude instead of apt-get11:34
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patrickjhey i was wondering where the torsmo sample config file was...?11:35
ColonelKerneltritium, I can't imagine that its THAT beneficial considering the driver is binary regardless (no open source nvidia driver)11:35
DanglyBitsWhere can I find all the latest security updates and backports for Hoary ?11:35
tritiumColonelKernel, you can use the ubuntu source package to build yourself the nvidia kernel module in a nice .deb that is under package management11:35
demirgcrimsun: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/75711:35
parabolizepatrickj, looking11:35
ColonelKerneltritium, you can do the same with the nvidia driver11:35
ubuntudiggerit says: Deleted inode 3211489 has zero dtime.  Fix<y>?11:35
ubuntudigger what do i do now11:35
tritiumColonelKernel, your preference then11:36
crimsunDanglyBits: noted in the references in the topic11:36
parabolizepatrickj, take it out of the gz /usr/share/doc/torsmo/examples/torsmorc.sample.gz11:36
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h08817hello11:36
parabolizehello11:36
h08817i need help with getting online11:36
catolhCan anyone direct me to a Opera install howto?11:36
catolh!opera11:36
h08817i have netgear Wg11111:36
h08817i have ndiswrapper installed11:37
catolhoh, nevermind.. :p11:37
h08817and that driver is installed11:37
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patrickjkk thanks11:37
ColonelKernellinsyswrt54g here11:37
h08817now how do i get online11:37
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h08817ColonelKernel,  what is that11:37
ColonelKernelwireless router11:37
joevandykWhy don't I see any wlan-ng packages in universe?  Does it matter that I have 64 bit ubuntu?11:37
h08817i am on a network so that is how i get my internet connection11:37
h08817so i need that?11:37
h08817how do u get connected to my network?11:38
h08817i have a linksys router here11:38
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demirgcrimsun: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/75711:38
robotgeek!ndiswapper11:38
uboturobotgeek: I don't know, could you explain it?11:38
robotgeek!ndiswrapper11:38
ubotuextra, extra, read all about it, ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper11:38
crimsundemirg: yes, I see. Please be patient.11:38
h08817robotgeek, what?11:38
robotgeekdid u read the wiki?11:38
demirgcrimsun: that was gone by mistake, sorry11:38
h08817ino11:38
h08817no11:39
robotgeekgo ahead, check it out11:39
h08817what about it11:39
catolhcan someone direct me to the *.deb package of Opera so i can use wget? I dont have a web-browser installed at the moment.11:39
h08817what is it listed under11:39
h08817i am under wiki on the site now11:39
h08817what should i look for?11:39
parabolizeh08817, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper11:39
joevandykIs anyone here using a 64 bit ubuntu installation and using wireless on a desktop machine?  What wireless card do you have?11:40
patrickjkk sweet now, to configure torsmo :p11:40
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crimsuncatolh: it's mirrored across many ftp and web sites11:40
parabolizepatrickj, want my config?11:40
parabolizenice and small... sticks to the top.11:41
dimension128Hello, I have an Nvidia 5200 128Mb AGP 8 with dual svga out, Ive seached the wiki but im eather Not findind what I need or Im not understanding what im finding, Probably both, anyway can anyone tell me how, (or give me a link) to figure out how to install the latest drivers, get both monitors working, and make sure everythings just configured correctly.11:42
crimsundemirg: strace -o output.txt -Ff xmms && bzip2 output.txt11:42
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tritiumdimension128, you need to enable TwinView11:42
crimsundemirg: then place output.txt.bz2 onto a web site so I can download it, or dcc it to me.11:42
demirgcrimsun: ok11:43
tritiumdimension128, follow this to install the nvidia drivers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto11:43
dimension128tuvm11:43
dimension128ty*11:43
tritiumand then read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz on how to setup TwinView for 2 monitors11:44
joevandykAll the cards listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards should work fine right?11:44
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joevandyker, on a 64 bit machine11:44
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demirgcrimsun: i have a website but it only accepts secure connections so can you suggest me an sftp client on linux?11:45
crimsundemirg: just use sftp11:46
D1nautilus would work...11:46
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robotgeekgtfp works too. use ssh option11:47
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Dr_Fatedemirg, ssh11:47
vinboyhi11:47
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KinKhi..11:47
vinboyi  just f*cked up my fonts in gnome11:47
Dr_Faterobotgeek, oh yeah, I love gftp11:47
vinboyhow do I ge the defaulkt gnome fonts?11:47
demirgcrimsun: ok i am trying11:47
Razor-Xgftp is one of the only GUI apps I use11:47
Razor-Xbecause, the commandline FTP apps in the repos suck, IMO11:47
robotgeekDr_Fate, most of the time i use lftp, which is cli based and awesome!11:48
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Brunellusarrrrgh. madwifi won't build11:48
KinKok.. stupid q... where hell unbo asks root password @ installation`?11:48
Razor-Xrobotgeek: is it?11:48
Razor-Xhmmmm....11:48
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BrunellusKinK:  ubuntu disables 'root' by default--11:48
Razor-Xdoes it use curses?11:48
robotgeekRazor-X, one word, tab completion!11:48
Brunellusall su functions are accomplished with 'sudo'.11:48
Brunellustry it, you'll love it.  and you'll always have sudo su11:49
robotgeekRazor-X, with mirroring and stuff11:49
Razor-Xsu == Superuser11:49
Razor-Xsudo == Superuser do11:49
Razor-Xrobotgeek: crazy11:49
KinKBrunellus, nice..11:49
Razor-XBrunellus: or sudo -s11:49
Brunellusyes, that's right.11:49
BrunellusOK. I think I've worked out what my problem is11:49
Razor-Xplus sudoedit is real convenient in a non-root session of emacs11:49
Subliminalinstalling acroread-plugin, fails with "E: Broken packages"11:49
robotgeekRazor-X, lftp rocks and does support everything else..with support for bookmarks too!11:49
D1gnome is in desperate need of a fully featured ftp client. ;[11:49
KinKBrunellus, so.. if i want adduser?11:50
Brunellus$sudo adduser11:50
robotgeekD1, gftp ??11:50
KinKsudo adduser?11:50
D1no tls support11:50
D1and a terrible interface.11:50
robotgeekRazor-X, emacs doesn't have a ftp client inbuilt??11:50
D1lacks options11:50
BrunellusI think my problem is that I need a newer version of the madwifi drivers11:50
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catolhis it normal for firefox to bork up when using the mplayer plugin?11:50
Razor-Xrobotgeek: hmmm... maybe I should check that out!11:50
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robotgeekD1, ah okay!11:50
Brunellusthe most recent cvs won't build11:50
mumblesargh11:50
mumblesbored and hyper11:50
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KinKdammit.. i still love demian.. :D11:51
robotgeekKinK, did u mean debian?11:51
Brunellusis there an updated madwifi driver on the breezy servers?11:51
mumblesand also tired11:51
KinKrobotgeek, mmm...waat eva.. :D11:51
Razor-Xhahaha, it does have an FTP clien11:51
Razor-Xs/clien/client/11:51
Razor-XI feel like a total idiot ;)11:51
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AmaranthRazor-X: talking about emacs? :P11:52
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Razor-XAmaranth: the sexiest ;)11:52
robotgeekAmaranth, yeah...emacs!11:52
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AmaranthRazor-X: Don't you know? Linux is the library emacs uses to talk to the hardware.11:52
robotgeekhaha...that's a new one11:52
AmaranthRazor-X: Oh, and emacs would be the perfect OS if only it had a good editor.11:52
robotgeek:)11:52
Razor-XAmaranth: yeah, I know that heh11:52
AmaranthRazor-X: But wait, it has vi-mode so it's finally complete!11:53
Razor-XAmaranth: exactly11:53
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Razor-Xyeah, you can use viLE if you feel the need to really use something so.... neanderthalic ;)11:53
robotgeekvim does the job well enough for me11:53
Amaranthemacs is the perfect example of 'every program evolves until it can read email'11:53
robotgeek:)11:53
AmaranthI write all my code in gedit, thank you very much.11:54
Brunellusoh man.  editor wars.11:54
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KinKkewl.. sudo works.11:54
robotgeekwhich editor?11:54
Brunellusstupid question--is there a way to browse the breezy repos?11:54
AmaranthNo one ever believe me when I tell them I wrote smeg in gedit.11:54
AmaranthBrunellus: http://packages.ubuntu.com11:54
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robotgeekAmaranth, kol11:54
robotgeeklol!11:54
Razor-Xahhh, mon emacs, Il est tres magnifique!11:55
joevandykWill breezy ship with OO 2.0?11:55
robotgeekAmaranth, have a python question...can i /msg u?11:55
Razor-XAmaranth: you wrote smeg?11:55
levanderAnybody know if the ubuntu developers have more plans for amanda or for mondo?  I'd rather use just whichever one they plan to integrate into ubuntu in the future.11:55
Razor-XAmaranth: congratulations on satiating a host of bleating people ;)11:55
Razor-Xand your excellent work with PearPC11:55
AmaranthRazor-X: hehe, thanks11:55
levanderrobotgeek: you know there is #python11:55
AmaranthRazor-X: meh, that guide is crap :D11:56
catolhCould anyone recommend a web-browser that doesnt crash when opening pages that use flash?.. :s11:56
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Amaranthrobotgeek: yeah, i'm in #python11:56
Razor-Xcatolh: you can always install flash in the browser you're using?11:56
Razor-X;)11:56
AmaranthRuby: Python for people who couldn't give up Perl.11:56
Amaranth;)11:56
robotgeekoh okay...11:56
robotgeek:)11:56
Razor-XAmaranth: everyone says that11:56
catolhRazor-X, well.. it is installed.. :p11:56
AmaranthRazor-X: Because it's true. :)11:56
Razor-Xyet, Perl is the only uber-language i've never learned yet ;)11:56
levanderAmaranth: lol, that's exactly what I think about ruby.  Know idea why we needed yet another scripting language when that came out11:56
Brunellusare the madwifi drivers updated in breezy yet?11:57
Razor-Xcatolh: well, have you _configured_ it?11:57
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AmaranthBrunellus: No.11:57
Dr_Melectauscan you get nero for nix?11:57
Razor-Xonly thing is... Ruby code blocks are too weird for me11:57
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Razor-XDr_Melectaus: I believe so11:57
Samuaryeah11:57
Samuaryou can11:57
catolhRazor-X, doesnt it do that by itself if i do apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla ?.. :p11:57
Dr_Melectaussweet11:57
AmaranthRazor-X: You should learn Python and PyGTK, it's what Ubuntu has by default.11:57
Samuarbut you need to own a non-oem version11:57
levanderDr_Melectaus: graveman, or gnome-baker (baker more simplistic i think)11:57
Samuarand use that license key11:57
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Razor-Xof course, K3B is better than Nero, IMO11:57
catolhRazor-X, sometimes it works.. and sometimes it just crashes11:57
Chris_Tuckeris it possible to use things like amaroK in the gdm?11:57
AmaranthNot in gdm, no.11:57
Razor-XAmaranth: once upon a time, I used to know Python, but sketchily11:57
Dr_Melectauslavender, im needing it to make an iso11:57
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AmaranthChris_Tucker: You can use them in GNOME>11:58
demirgcrimsun: i put output.txt.bz2 to server but cannot mv it to public_html because server does not response my ssh call11:58
Razor-XDr_Melectaus: mkisofs ;)11:58
levanderDr_Melectaus: check those two programs, i'm pretty sure graveman does that11:58
Razor-Xthat was out in Linux long before Nero ever use it11:58
Razor-Xs/use/used/11:58
DanglyBitsis there a win32codec file for amd64?11:58
levanderDr_Melectaus: mkisofs is command line if you want something like that11:58
Razor-XDanglyBits: you can use VLC11:58
DanglyBitsVLC will play wma ?11:58
levanderNobody has a recommendation on amanda vs. mondo?11:58
Razor-XDanglyBits: hmmm, not unless you compile in the WMA patch11:58
Chris_TuckerAmaranth, if they were previously in KDE, how do you make them work in gnome? apt-get install --reinstall ?  because im not seeing any output devices in my amaroK config11:59
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levanderany Linux utilities that can play DRM'd WMA files?11:59
Razor-Xlevander: ewwwww11:59
DanglyBitsRazor-X: where do i get vlc and how do i compile in the patch?11:59
Amaranth1) w32codecs is illegal, please don't discuss it here and 2) sometime soon VLC will be able to play windows media files11:59
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Amaranthlevander: No.11:59
Razor-XDanglyBits: you can get it off the home page ;)11:59
baggerAmaranth, it allready does11:59
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Razor-XDRM is a nasty nasty standard11:59
levanderAmaranth: we've discussed w32codecs in here before, you are admin?11:59
Razor-XDRM is curtailing our rights, that's what11:59
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AmaranthHi. :)12:00

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