[12:00] <andrewcool2> It says right here...that if i follow the instructions in expert mode i can save all my existing files..but how do i get into expert mode..
[12:00] <dracko> crimsun, linux-2.6.12.3
[12:00] <HappyFool> i should just learn eirc, but x-chat is sufficient for now
[12:00] <crimsun> demirg: it doesn't what? Do you mean it doesn't run correctly, or do you mean it runs just fine?
[12:00] <demirg> crimsun, i think what i need to do is to unload rivafb module, but dont now how
[12:00] <hybrid_goth> HappyFool: heh
[12:00] <crimsun> demirg: sudo modprobe -r rivafb
[12:00] <demirg> crimsun, it doesnt run correctly
[12:01] <crimsun> dracko: ok, so you've compiled 2.6.12.3 yourself?
[12:01] <giant> I'm having a problem with limewire
[12:01] <giant> it just quits instantly after it starts
[12:01] <hybrid_goth> no errors?
[12:02] <giant> I'm searching limewires site now, but has anyone had any probems with it
[12:02] <HappyFool> anne: having any luck?
[12:02] <giant> no popup boxes
[12:02] <hybrid_goth> did you read up on it
[12:02] <hybrid_goth> !limewire
[12:02] <ubotu> hybrid_goth: Are you smoking crack?
[12:02] <HappyFool> heh
[12:02] <HappyFool> cheeky bot!
[12:02] <hybrid_goth> !dumb bot
[12:02] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, hybrid_goth
[12:02] <crimsun> info limewire, hybrid_goth
[12:02] <giant> I'm doing that now... wondering if anyone had had this problem could tell me where to start
[12:03] <crimsun> demirg: ok, have you unloaded rivafb yet?
[12:03] <dracko> crimsun: well i downloaded that version, then copy my .config file to de top-level directory in the new kernel version and i do: make menuconfig, later i do make
[12:03] <anne> no respond at all, but is the dot first and last in the sentence supposed to be there
[12:03] <dracko> but thow me an error :s
[12:03] <demirg> crimsun, i am about to, just a moment pls
[12:03] <dracko> throw
[12:03] <HappyFool> anne: the ' ? no, those must not be there
[12:03] <crimsun> dracko: answer this first: why do you want 2.6.12.3? The version you downloaded doesn't contain the patches that Ubuntu applied.
[12:04] <demirg> crimsun, FATAL: Module rivafb not found.
[12:04] <obvious_ron> My concern about Firefox is whether the Hoary build is okay in regards to security updates.
[12:04] <crimsun> demirg: then rivafb is not loaded
[12:04] <anne> tried both nothing happens
[12:04] <hybrid_goth> info limewire
[12:04] <dabaR> redownload limewire, and run it again.
[12:04] <demirg> crimsun, i dont understand why it says so
[12:04] <HappyFool> anne: hmm
[12:04] <hybrid_goth> ?
[12:04] <crimsun> !tell hybrid_goth about limewire
[12:04] <citrus> does anyone know how my make my movies show a little image of the movie in the folder?
[12:05] <HappyFool> anne: ok, how about 'find -name *.deb'  ?
[12:05] <demirg> crimsun, but nvidia installer says it is loaded
[12:05] <crimsun> hybrid_goth: use: !info limewire
[12:05] <hybrid_goth> ah ty
[12:05] <hybrid_goth> !info limewire
[12:05] <dracko> crimsun, ok, so how i can compile existent kernel?
[12:05] <crimsun> demirg: lsmod|grep ^rivafb
[12:05] <HappyFool> there's no limewire package in hoary
[12:05] <dabaR> crimsun: he dont know about it.
[12:05] <crimsun> demirg: why are you using the installer?
[12:06] <xzzy> Hi, am looking for apt-sources for Tor & Privoxy
[12:06] <xzzy> can ubuntu use deb repository sources? sarge?
[12:06] <demirg> crimsun, nothing echoes
[12:06] <crimsun> dracko: but why do you _require_ 2.6.12.3? Ubuntu applies lots of patches. You discard them by using vanilla 2.6.12.3.
[12:07] <crimsun> demirg: good, but why are you using the Nvidia installer? Have you followed http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?
[12:07] <dabaR> just get the limewire for linux from limewire.com
[12:07] <dabaR> if you have Java installed, it will work.
[12:07] <demirg> crimsun, i tried many ways, not only the installer...
[12:07] <anne> nothing, maybe i am not writing it correctly, maybe i must download again and take a note of where its saved
[12:08] <crimsun> demirg: does the method described on BinaryDriverHowto not work for you?
[12:08] <HappyFool> anne: ok, let's do that; download it again and see where it's saved
[12:08] <shane543> Hi !
[12:08] <dabaR> hey!
[12:08] <demirg> crimsun, i tried that method too, it didnot work for me either
[12:08] <crimsun> demirg: where did it fail?
[12:09] <shane543> y aurait pas  des francais par ici ?
[12:09] <Seveas> shane543, #ubuntu-fr
[12:10] <anne> Download this package in TAR.GZ format instead of your distribution's native format, thats one of the choices i get
[12:10] <demirg> crimsun, i try to log on to X, i type 2 or 3 letters of my username and it freezes
[12:10] <shane543> thanx!!!!
[12:10] <HappyFool> anne: no, don't tick that
[12:10] <anne> ok just wondering
[12:10] <HappyFool> anne: you want a '.deb' file
[12:10] <dabaR> HappyFool: opera?
[12:11] <HappyFool> dabaR: yeah
[12:11] <anne> ok,
[12:11] <HappyFool> dabaR: feel free to contradict if you know better ;)
[12:11] <Mobus> does anyone here know where I can get C++ Header libraries?
[12:11] <demirg> crimsun, this is the last error i got: Unable to load the kernel module 'nvidia.ko'. This is most likely because the kernel module was built using the wrong kernel source files.
[12:11] <anne> it says open whith default, should i choose that
[12:11] <HappyFool> Mobus: install 'build-essential'
[12:11] <HappyFool> anne: no, save to disk
[12:11] <anne> ok
[12:11] <dabaR> HappyFool: nah, just checking, to see if I am a good detective...:)
[12:11] <crimsun> demirg: are you using default Hoary?
[12:12] <HappyFool> anne: and check where ;)
[12:12] <Mobus> happyfool: more where I can pick and choose
[12:12] <HappyFool> Mobus: i'm not following
[12:12] <demirg> crimsun, yes
[12:12] <demirg> crimsun, and my nvidia is geforce 256 ddr [NV10DDR] 
[12:13] <Mobus> Happyfool: I don't want a bynch of .h files.  I weant, for example, to just get iostream.h and put it in the include folder,
[12:13] <anne> now its ready and it says, open or remove, open i guess
[12:13] <Mobus> rather than 200 .h files
[12:13] <HappyFool> Mobus: um. i don't think you can easily do that with ubuntu
[12:13] <HappyFool> Mobus: you will not easily unravel the interdepencies of the standard header files anyway
[12:13] <anne> and i have a choise , all files downloaded to desktop, should i mark that
[12:13] <Mobus> i guess...
[12:14] <HappyFool> anne: that's probably ok
[12:14] <Yuki> can anyoen tell me what packages I need to be able to have sound when browsing sites and watching movies and what I eed for media players and stuff?
[12:14] <HappyFool> Mobus: if you don't have disk space for the header files, you won't be able to compile anything anyway ;)
[12:14] <HappyFool> anne: at least we know where the file will be
[12:14] <Mobus> I have the space for it no doubt happyfool
[12:14] <anne> super. now its on my desktop
[12:14] <HappyFool> anne: great
[12:14] <HappyFool> anne: ok, go to the terminal again
[12:15] <HappyFool> anne: then type 'cd Desktop'
[12:15] <Mobus> anyway, happyfool, I downloaded it, but I don't see them in the Gcc header file folder
[12:15] <HappyFool> anne: then 'ls *.deb' -- you should see the file you downloaded
[12:15] <crimsun> demirg: dpkg -l linux-headers-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii
[12:15] <HappyFool> Mobus: you need to installed the build-essential package -- like this 'sudo aptitude install build-essential'
[12:16] <catolh> Is there an application included in Ubuntu for connecting my tv to my computer? (Like the TV-Out on my ATI card)
[12:16] <HappyFool> Mobus: iostream is in /usr/include/c++/3.3/iostream, if you're wanting to find the file
[12:16] <aru_> catolh: I don't have an answer, but I'm curious what card it is
[12:16] <catolh> Ati 9600 xt..
[12:17] <x_o1> Is there a FAQ on using japanese on ubuntu?
[12:17] <aru_> well, with everyone struggling to get their 9600s to work, I guess its time to reinstall my 7200 AIW
[12:17] <demirg> crimsun, ii  linux-headers- 2.6.10-34.3    Linux kernel headers 2.6.10 on 386
[12:17] <catolh> doh.. did a search for "tv out" in synaptic manager.. and guess what.. "atitvout".. :p
[12:18] <aru_> catolh: synaptic and google own us all :)
[12:18] <anne> i cant seem to write it correctly, if you look at what you write, those dots i front of an end of the sentence do i writ them to  and what about the space between each command, control p only gives me what i copyed before
[12:18] <catolh> yep.. :)
[12:18] <crimsun> demirg: were you able to compile the 1.0-7667 drivers successfully?
[12:18] <HappyFool> x_o1: maybe this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JapaneseDocumentation
[12:18] <demirg> crimsun, no
[12:18] <HappyFool> anne: um, no, no dots. this command:                      ls *.deb
[12:19] <HappyFool> anne: there is a space between ls and *.deb
[12:19] <demirg> crimsun, some guy told me to use a non-7xxx driver so i tried 6111 afterwards
[12:19] <crimsun> demirg: do you still have the Nvidia installer log?
[12:20] <anne> yes but im having trouble whith the cd desktop, it says no files
[12:20] <HappyFool> anne: oh
[12:20] <HappyFool> anne: it's Desktop -- uppercase D
[12:21] <HappyFool> anne: so               cd Desktop
[12:21] <demirg> crimsun, yes
[12:21] <dabaR> files in *nix are case sensitive.
[12:21] <anne> yes no its ok now i will try ls------
[12:21] <dabaR> file names also
[12:21] <HappyFool> anne: good
[12:22] <crimsun> demirg: please paste the contents of that log file onto the pastebin in the topic, and pass me the url
[12:22] <anne> found it, written opera bla bla in red text
[12:22] <HappyFool> anne: great
[12:22] <HappyFool> anne: now,             sudo dpkg -i opera-static_8.01-20050615.1-qt_en_i386.deb
[12:22] <HappyFool> anne: it will ask for a password- enter your user password
[12:22] <dabaR> ok, now, sudo dpkg -i oper<tab> <enter> <> represents keystrokes on the kybrd
[12:23] <demirg> crimsun, sorry i couldnot understand how to send it
[12:23] <HappyFool> heh
[12:23] <tritium> :)
[12:23] <HappyFool> does opera manage to insinuate itself in the menu?
[12:23] <HappyFool> anyone know?
[12:23] <ompaul> cheers
[12:24] <crimsun> demirg: copy the output using the primary mouse button and paste it, using the middle mouse button, into the text entry area on the web page.
[12:24] <VeloxS> Hello, I'm having problems with installing WINE on Ubuntu...makedep problems apparently. I've posted the error here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/735
[12:25] <Yuki> what package do I need to run java chat and stuff online?
[12:25] <demirg> crimsun, what web page?
[12:25] <anne> hurra
[12:25] <dabaR> hehe
[12:25] <dabaR> nice
[12:25] <dabaR> I am totally glad to hear it works after 2 hours...
[12:25] <phixion> yuki, sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[12:25] <HappyFool> anne: is opera running?
[12:25] <La_PaRCa> ubotu tell Yuki about java
[12:26] <anne> i think so, i must write exit or do i have to do something more
[12:26] <crimsun> demirg: the web page for pastes in the topic
[12:26] <crimsun> demirg: paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:27] <HappyFool> anne: that should work
[12:27] <HappyFool> anne: i'm not sure how to start opera; try Applications -> Run application, type 'opera' and click 'run'
[12:28] <VeloxS> Hm, I appear invisible to those who would help here :P
[12:28] <HappyFool> ok, i'm off to sleep. good night!
[12:28] <anne> i love you all
[12:28] <cut0ff> hi there
[12:28] <Yuki> how do I add multiverse?
[12:29] <anne> this is really working thank you very much
[12:29] <cut0ff> Yuki take a look http://ubuntuguide.org
[12:29] <aru_> Yuki: system>administration>synaptic then click settings > respositories
[12:29] <Mobus> in anyone here familiar wiht Anjuta IDE?
[12:30] <tritium> cut0ff, we're trying to have people stop recommending ubuntuguide
[12:30] <demirg> crimsun, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/736
[12:30] <cut0ff> tritium ok sorry
[12:30] <occy> What's a way in Linux to do the equiv of fdisk /mbr ?
[12:30] <crimsun> Yuki: you need to download two things: (1) a JRE or a JDK; (2) java-package from multiverse.
[12:30] <tritium> cut0ff, no problem, just letting you know :)
[12:30] <Seveas> occy, grub-install (hd0)
[12:30] <occy> Seveas, danke
[12:31] <Andriyushka> small question is there a terminal command for configureing wireless?
[12:31] <postmodern> how is dialup in ubuntu?
[12:32] <postmodern> im looking at setting this 56k dialup system with ubuntu
[12:32] <ironmc> I'm having a problem ejecting a cd --- front button doesn't work and niether does "eject" command in a terminal --- says "Device is busy"
[12:32] <Andriyushka> i think so
[12:32] <Andrewcool> Ok i need help big time :(
[12:32] <postmodern> does all gnome-ppp and ppp-modules come on the ubuntu install cds
[12:32] <postmodern> and can gnome-ppp set the baud rate to 56700
[12:32] <crimsun> ironmc: then there's something using the cd-rom
[12:32] <DAC1138> postmodern, dialup in ubuntu is so fast, youll think you're on a t1 connection
[12:32] <Andriyushka> oh ironmc there should be a hole put a paperclip in there then push the button
[12:32] <Yuki> I can't find sun-j2re1.5
[12:33] <Andrewcool> Can anybody Help me...i really need help :(
[12:33] <kbrooks> ping
[12:33] <crimsun> Yuki: just download a JRE from Sun or from IBM using a web browser
[12:33] <Andrewcool> Help with installing Ubuntu
[12:33] <kbrooks> Andrewcool, ask
[12:33] <Andriyushka> hmmm ok yuki goto www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:33] <DAC1138> Andrewcool, http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[12:33] <catolh> uhm, i have somewhat of a problem.. I want to use fullscreen in mplayer. But when i choose it, i get kind of a fullscreen, but not quite.. i get a black frame around the picture (Wich is the "original" size)
[12:33] <D1> anyone use IGLOOFTP?
[12:33] <Doonz> !backup
[12:33] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, Doonz
[12:33] <Doonz> hmm
[12:33] <Andrewcool> Ok i want to install ubuntu...but i don't want to lose my existing stuff
[12:33] <Doonz> im trying to figure out howto make a back up of my ubuntu install
[12:33] <crimsun> catolh: are you using -vo xv ?
[12:33] <Andrewcool> also the windows boot stuff is saved on a existing partation...
[12:33] <ironmc> I know I can use a paperclip and there is nothing on the disc but a copy of Knoppix.iso
[12:33] <Mobus> Where does Anjuta IDE look for its header files? I found iostream.h in another folder, where can I copy it to so I anjuta can use it?
[12:34] <dbw_> Andrewcool: does the partition take up the whole disk?
[12:34] <catolh> crimsun, im using x11.. i get an error if i run files with vx
[12:34] <catolh> xv*
[12:34] <crimsun> Mobus: you need a bunch of -dev packages installed. Please search the ubuntu-users archive from earlier this year.
[12:34] <Andrewcool> dbw_  No it doesn't but i have the main one..and then the windows boot stuff on a other partiton
[12:34] <DAC1138> Doonz, what do you mean backup?
[12:34] <Andriyushka> on the disk there is the partition of like a few mb that is log/backup info
[12:34] <DAC1138> Doonz, just files? or like a ghost image?
[12:35] <Doonz> like a ghost image
[12:35] <Andriyushka> restore information
[12:35] <DAC1138> Doonz, try mondo
[12:35] <catolh> crimsun, "Error openin/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.".. when i have xv selected
[12:35] <Doonz> so when i screw around with stuff i cant just reinstall and things are all good
[12:35] <Andriyushka> it actualy uses it
[12:35] <Doonz> mondo
[12:35] <Mobus> no, my question was, where does anjuta look for its header files during compilation?
[12:35] <DAC1138> Doonz, or do a freshmeat search for ghost, youll find a few more apps like ghost4linux
[12:35] <Mobus> I have the header file
[12:35] <catolh> crimsun, it happened after i installed the xorg ati driver
[12:35] <Mobus> I just don't know where to put it
[12:35] <Yuki> is there a package that lets me have microphone conversations?
[12:35] <cut0ff> DAC1138 mondo? what is mondo?
[12:35] <benwc> can someone help me compile a kernel w/ ip_alias?
[12:35] <crimsun> catolh: not fglrx?
[12:35] <DAC1138> cut0ff, its a ghost app that makes an image of your linux partition
[12:36] <catolh> crimsun, yeah.. the fglrx
[12:36] <cut0ff> DAC1138 ahms thanks
[12:36] <crimsun> catolh: did you follow the instructions on wiki/BinaryDriverHowto?
[12:36] <occy> crimsun, any word on when Ubuntu Firefox will be fixed?
[12:36] <DAC1138> cut0ff, there's also g4l, ghost4linux
[12:36] <jcapote> eeesh
[12:36] <crimsun> occy: 1.0.x? It's being worked over.
[12:36] <catolh> crimsun, i did the "sudo apt-get" option.. but ill check the howto again
[12:37] <crimsun> (so no, I don't have an ETA)
[12:37] <cut0ff> DAC1138 thx again mate
[12:37] <DAC1138> Doonz, they can burn the backup images to a cd, or to a network place
[12:37] <occy> yeah, I upgraded and got the borked version. :(
[12:37] <DAC1138> cut0ff, np, my experiences finally pay off for making ghost backups
[12:37] <jcapote> Seveas: do you have function keys on your laptop that dim the screen
[12:38] <occy> crimsun, why wouldn't they roll back the version to the previous stable (under a differnt version number)
[12:38] <occy> crimsun, that seems like it'd make sense to me.
[12:38] <Seveas> jcapote, yes, but that is pure hardware - no drivers or software needed
[12:38] <cut0ff> DAC1138 really works fine?
[12:38] <jcapote> Seveas: then how come it doesnt work in ubuntu :(
[12:38] <DanJohn> hello all
[12:38] <dabaR> Hey!
[12:38] <occy> like,  roll it back to 1.0.2 (pre-borkage )  and just tack on something like  1.0.2.8 (assuming the fixed one was 6 and the borked one was 7
[12:38] <DAC1138> cut0ff, worked for me
[12:39] <DanJohn> I need some help in ubuntu
[12:39] <demirg> crimsun, so did you look at the log file i have sent
[12:39] <DanJohn> can sombody help me
[12:39] <jcapote> Seveas: actually, they do work, they just take 10 seconds to actually work
[12:39] <DAC1138> cut0ff, from what im told, it simply bzips your / root directory, so everything is saved in one archived file
[12:39] <postmodern> DAC1138, well i ran ppp-on / ppp-off with a serial modem on gentoo before
[12:39] <DAC1138> cut0ff, then when you want to restore it, the program unzips it back onto the hard drive, erasing and overriting the old stuff the backed up stuff
[12:40] <dabaR> DanJohn: go ahead and ask.
[12:40] <cut0ff> DAC1138 many thanks
[12:40] <postmodern> DAC1138, whats the diff in Ubuntu, they enable the compression
[12:40] <crimsun> demirg: busy. What's the url again?
[12:40] <jcapote> Seveas: any ideas?
[12:40] <DanJohn> can somebody help me with realplayer
[12:41] <dabaR> DanJohn: did you check out http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowTo
[12:41] <demirg> crimsun, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/736
[12:41] <DAC1138> postmodern, i dont know, i was joking wheni said that it was like t1 speeds
[12:41] <catolh> crimsun, well, what i did is exactly what says in the howto. So i dont know what might of happened. It seems i cant use the xv video out.. :s
[12:41] <demirg> dabaR, i did but it did not work for me
[12:41] <catolh> i could before i installed the ati driver though
[12:41] <dabaR> demirg: by DanJohn I meant DanJohn :)
[12:42] <catolh> Anyone else have this problem?
[12:42] <catolh> "Error openin/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.".. when i have xv selected
[12:42] <catolh> opening*
[12:42] <demirg> dabaR: help me, too :)
[12:42] <nistco92> hey, i just installed ubuntu and i have no sound (i have a creative soundcard)
[12:42] <dabaR> demirg: I wish I could...
[12:42] <crimsun> nistco92: which?
[12:42] <crimsun> demirg: sec
[12:42] <nistco92> live! i think
[12:42] <dabaR> demirg: I dont use ubuntu:)
[12:42] <ubuntu> can i eject the cd if I'm running live cd?
[12:42] <occy> does anyone here have this video card: Connect 3D Radeon 9600XT 128MB AGP 8x Video Card
[12:42] <dabaR> jj
[12:43] <catolh> occy, yep
[12:43] <occy> catolh, it works with Linux well?
[12:43] <crimsun> ubuntu: only if you suspend/hibernate first.
[12:43] <catolh> err, not the "connect 3d" but the sapphire version
[12:43] <ubuntu> thanks
[12:43] <catolh> and yeah, it works fine
[12:43] <occy> catolh, can you do 3D stuff like Quake3 (heh old I know)
[12:43] <dabaR> nistco92: go find out more about the card, or maybe you can do that through the computer.
[12:43] <crimsun> nistco92: make sure.
[12:43] <catolh> exept it wont let me use xv video out with the fglrx drivers
[12:43] <demirg> dabaR: thanks anyway :)
[12:44] <catolh> occy. im betting yes
[12:44] <dabaR> demirg: hey, youre welcome.
[12:44] <occy> catolh, and does it work "out of the box", or do you have to do some X hacking to get to to work?
[12:44] <dabaR> getting anyone to work is not easy, there is some work involved in it.
[12:44] <dabaR> Look at me for example...
[12:44] <occy> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1508924&Sku=A455-2110%20H
[12:44] <occy> was looking at that
[12:44] <catolh> occy, nope. It works right out of the box
[12:45] <othernoob> crimsun: what's the gnome equivalent to kmix?
[12:45] <nistco92> its a "Dell Sound Blaster Live! (Alsa Mixer)"
[12:45] <catolh> occy, but if you want direct rendering you should check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:45] <vinboy> what is the path to java bin?
[12:46] <occy> catolh, okies.... Again, still trying to find the right machine to get.
[12:46] <nistco92> when i try to play a cd in the player it doesn't go at all, the pause icon just flashes for a second, then it goest back to play
[12:46] <crimsun> othernoob: gnome-volume..
[12:46] <catolh> but anyway, anyone have an idea of what might be my problem? "Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device." in Mplayer (After i installed the fglrx driver)
[12:46] <crimsun> othernoob: or just select Volume Control in Applications> Sound & Video
[12:47] <aru_> Applications > Sound & Video > Volume Control
[12:47] <catolh> The error comes when i use the xv driver.. but when i use the x11 driver it works out ok (except i cant get fullscreen.. i get a ugly black frame around the video)
[12:47] <aru_> doh
[12:47] <jcapote> what an obscure bug
[12:47] <crimsun> nistco92: lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1x
[12:47] <othernoob> crimsun: i don't use gnome ;) i was just curious :)
[12:47] <Yuki> do I need to restart for packages I install to take effect?
[12:48] <nistco92> crimsun: ..?
[12:48] <cadu> should i dump debian in favor or ubuntu ?
[12:48] <cadu> what's better than debian in ubuntu?
[12:48] <aru_> cadu: do you like a desktop?
[12:48] <crimsun> nistco92: type that in a terminal
[12:48] <othernoob> cadu: no, and nothing.
[12:48] <dabaR> I am sorry, that SSN is not shown on the account. Please tell me the last four digits of another one, or the account number or amount of last payment.
[12:48] <jcapote> the lcd dimmer keys have like a 10 second delay :(
[12:48] <aru_> cadu: or do you prefer the console?
[12:48] <crimsun> demirg: 6111 has issues with 2.6.10
[12:48] <dabaR> vinboy: wwhat?
[12:48] <crimsun> demirg: you need to use a newer driver, like 6629
[12:48] <cadu> aru_: i use both
[12:48] <dabaR> vinboy: rephrase that.
[12:49] <vinboy> dabaR, i found the path
[12:49] <cadu> aru_: i code, use irc in console etc, check things but i obviously do most in graphical (X...web...etc)
[12:49] <cadu> what are the advantages of ubuntu over debian?
[12:49] <nistco92> snd_emu10k1x           18084  1
[12:49] <aru_> cadu: I prefer the desktop and am not profecient in console, so I use Ubuntu
[12:49] <dabaR> good
[12:49] <cadu> i'm considering a switch
[12:49] <cadu> aru_: so ubuntu is easyed-debian ?
[12:50] <aru_> cadu: pretty much
[12:50] <catolh> wee, it works with GL.. lol.. :p
[12:50] <dabaR> cadu: /msg dpkg why debian
[12:50] <crimsun> nistco92: paste the output from amixer onto the pastebin in the topic
[12:50] <vinboy> how do I make the ubuntu add path during startup?
[12:50] <aru_> cadu: I got my parents on Ubuntu, but I would never get them on debian, if that helps :)
[12:50] <occy> AMD Athlon 64 3000+ / 512KB Cache / 2000 MHz FSB / Socket 939 / Processor with Fan
[12:50] <neurus> hello
[12:50] <occy> this thing is only 1.8Ghz
[12:50] <cadu> okz, easy-debian
[12:50] <cadu> BUT
[12:50] <crimsun> "only"
[12:50] <aru_> oh no, a but :)
[12:50] <neurus> i have a celeron D
[12:50] <cadu> i'm very disappointed with debian's release cycle
[12:51] <crimsun> what an ironic statement for a 64-bit cpu, occy
[12:51] <dabaR> vinboy: you mean, every time you open a shell that there is the same thing in the path?
[12:51] <aru_> cadu: Ubuntu is 6 months
[12:51] <demirg> crimsun, thanks a lot i will try it right now :)
[12:51] <cadu> we still haven't got x.org :(
[12:51] <occy> crimsun, whatcha mean?
[12:51] <neurus> i only see screen in 640x480 why?
[12:51] <dabaR> add the path setup command to /etc/bash_bashrc
[12:51] <crimsun> cadu: unstable sure does.
[12:51] <cadu> crimsun: _unstable_ :)
[12:51] <nomasteryoda> heyya, occy
[12:51] <neurus> i am very newbie
[12:51] <cadu> things break in unstable
[12:51] <crimsun> occy: eh, it's a 64-bit cpu :)
[12:51] <occy> nomasteryoda, heyaz
[12:51] <neurus> i only see screen in 640x480 why?
[12:51] <crimsun> cadu: what's wrong with that?
[12:51] <occy> nomasteryoda, you know much about building machines?
[12:52] <cadu> i would like a moderately updated box with moderately new software and stability
[12:52] <vinboy> dabaR, i don't have to have to enter export PATH=/usr/bin/java
[12:52] <IIIEars> Hello! crimsun,cafuego, LaPaRca
[12:52] <vinboy> dabaR, all the time
[12:52] <jblu> question for the ex  X Mac users
[12:52] <nomasteryoda> occy, like what
[12:52] <aru_> cadu: I recommend ubuntu o my windows friends :)
[12:52] <occy> nomasteryoda, I need to get another desktop as mines dying.
[12:52] <cadu> crimsun: well, things break, i don't wanna hose my system for a week or two coz i've upgraded on apt ...
[12:52] <crimsun> hi IIIEars
[12:52] <nomasteryoda> ah, ok
[12:52] <occy> nomasteryoda, don't want to spend too much... but want to get the best bang for buck.
[12:52] <neurus> how i configure my X
[12:52] <crimsun> cadu: there's always etch.
[12:52] <occy> nomasteryoda, got about $1k
[12:52] <nomasteryoda> well sure
[12:52] <vinboy> dabaR, I suppose I am amble to put that path into somefile and get it executed during startup
[12:52] <nomasteryoda> sweet
[12:52] <searcher`> cadu: you can't have both. Either stable and old, or unstable and newer
[12:52] <jblu> can I partion for os 9 after now installing Ubuntu ppc
[12:52] <dabaR> vinboy: yes, add that exact command to your bash_bashrc under /etc
[12:52] <nomasteryoda> that'll do nicely
[12:52] <cadu> searcher`: well
[12:52] <crimsun> cadu: sounds like you need to give Hoary a spin.
[12:52] <dabaR> but, change it, so its not exact like I said.
[12:52] <cadu> searcher`: isn't x.org stable ?
[12:52] <battlecat> how do you know what version of Ubuntu you have?
[12:52] <neurus> :(
[12:53] <crimsun> battlecat: lsb_release -a
[12:53] <cadu> searcher`: i'm on debian sarge but we don't have it :(
[12:53] <occy> nomasteryoda, give me a call.
[12:53] <vinboy> dabaR,  oh ic. that is it
[12:53] <andrewcool2> Who here understands partiton on ubuntu live?
[12:53] <searcher`> cadu: some might consider ubuntu hoary unstable, because the software is too new by comparison to say sarge
[12:53] <occy> nomasteryoda, 742-2475
[12:53] <nomasteryoda> occy, i know you can get a laptop 64bit for that much
[12:53] <nomasteryoda> k
[12:53] <aru_> cadu: the ubuntu release cycle is quicker than debian, if that helps
[12:53] <dabaR> make it PATH=$PATH:/usr/bin/java
[12:53] <searcher`> cadu: you can always build it yourself
[12:53] <battlecat> I have a few CDs that Ubuntu sent me and I havent installed them
[12:53] <neurus> alguien de argentina?
[12:53] <cadu> searcher`: that's what i'm willing to do :)
[12:53] <dabaR> usr/bin is in your path already, btw
[12:53] <neurus> o que hable espaol?
[12:53] <battlecat> I am trying to figure out what they sent me
[12:53] <dabaR> !es
[12:53] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[12:53] <La_PaRCa> neurus, #ubuntu-es
[12:53] <cadu> yo hablo portugues: )
[12:53] <dabaR> w00t I did it first.
[12:53] <crimsun> adding /usr/bin/java to $PATH is kinda odd
[12:54] <searcher`> cadu: then it might be easier to just install Ubuntu ;-)
[12:54] <AMCDeathKnight> Anyone know how to setup seti@home on a Ubuntu linbux machine?
[12:54] <dabaR> ya, I said.
[12:54] <AMCDeathKnight> as i need help
[12:54] <AMCDeathKnight> *Linux
[12:54] <cadu> searcher`: as it's essentially Debian, right ?
[12:54] <vinboy> dabaR, i can't find bashrc under /etc
[12:54] <Yuki> I mounted an NTFS partition to my home partition, but, I cannot access it, how can I change the permissions so I can access it?
[12:54] <cadu> hmmm, indecision indecision :)
[12:54] <jcapote> crimsun: yea that doesnt make any sense, you have to add the directory which contains the java executable to the $PATH
[12:54] <searcher`> cadu: based on debian, but not entirely debian
[12:54] <IIIEars> "linbux" = OS10 tuger? - grin
[12:55] <IIIEars> heh tiger
[12:55] <cadu> searcher`: /me shrugs
[12:55] <searcher`> cadu: for instance, mixing ubuntu and debian repositories can lead to some problems
[12:55] <ubuntu> is there a special room for Ubuntu Newbs
[12:55] <crimsun> "some" is a nice way of putting it.
[12:55] <cadu> i won't :)
[12:55] <searcher`> cadu: easily resolved, just use ubuntu repos
[12:55] <jcapote> i think this is a scheduling issue
[12:55] <andrewcool2> Who is good with partations?
[12:55] <crimsun> ubuntu: see the topic
[12:55] <catolh> Does anyone else get some sort of "lag" in X while copying stuff from a CD ?
[12:55] <cadu> what are the differences between debian and ubuntu ?
[12:55] <IIIEars> ubuntu - you found it here. Welcome!
[12:55] <jblu> how about OS 9 if you partioned as HFS not HFS+
[12:56] <searcher`> catolh: check the dma settings on the cdrom
[12:56] <dabaR> Thank you, the primary username on your account is rjsem. I can not see the current password, but I would be glad to use a program that will assign a random 8 letter password to your username, to reset it. Then I will instruct you how to change it to what you would like it to be yourself. Shall I do this now?
[12:56] <Seveas> cadu: Ubuntu and debian have different goals, a different release schedule and different, but overlapping communities. See also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship
[12:56] <catolh> searcher`, ok, thanks
[12:56] <zukalk> catolh, type !dma
[12:56] <dabaR> ubuntu: yes #ubuntu
[12:56] <aru_> ubuntu: we also have #ubuntu-offtopic for questions and chat not related to ubuntu
[12:56] <dabaR> thyats bad
[12:56] <dabaR> later
[12:56] <catolh> !dma
[12:56] <catolh> -.-
[12:57] <wicho_> ayuda para instalar mplayer... ?
[12:57] <ubuntu__> arghh
[12:57] <IIIEars> ubuntu - check out cafuegos prtegee' "ubotu" our channel bot. Enter a !keyword and he'll jump right in with what he knows.
[12:57] <wicho_> alguie habla espaol ?
[12:57] <andrewcool> !keyword partation
[12:57] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, andrewcool
[12:57] <Seveas> !es
[12:57] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[12:57] <wicho_> alguien habla espaol ?
[12:57] <IIIEars> !partition
[12:57] <ubotu> IIIEars: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[12:57] <UnIData> que deseas ?
[12:57] <andrewcool> !partiton
[12:57] <ubotu> I don't know, andrewcool
[12:57] <jcapote> i wish i knew more about my problem so i can file a proper bug report, ive narrowed it down to scheduling
[12:57] <IIIEars> !ubotu
[12:57] <ubotu> from memory, ubotu is uh... Thaaat's me! I'm a bot. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu!
[12:58] <wicho_> es que no puedo instalar mplayer :D
[12:58] <Doonz> !sex
[12:58] <ubotu> Doonz: I don't know
[12:58] <UnIData> wicho ? que quieres ?
[12:58] <Doonz> hehe
[12:58] <Doonz> sorry
[12:58] <Doonz> couldnt resist
[12:58] <Seveas> wicho_, UnIData #ubuntu-es.....
[12:58] <aru_> UnIData: #ubuntuo-es
[12:58] <andrewcool> arghh lol :D
[12:58] <sexcopter8000m> where does xchat log files to by default?
[12:58] <aru_> dude, I had that first
[12:58] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs
[12:58] <benwc> Debian channel is not very helpful with ubuntu users
[12:58] <sexcopter8000m> ty
[12:59] <Doonz> did they tell you to rtfm
[12:59] <Seveas> benwc, not very helpful at all even ;)
[12:59] <Doonz> ?
[12:59] <Doonz> thats what turned me off from linux
[12:59] <Blissex> benwc: Debian channel is a bit ''difficult'', but Ubuntu has its own channel, and this makes ubuntu queries simply off topic.
[12:59] <Yuki> how do I login as root?
[12:59] <Doonz> trying to get a RH install to work
[12:59] <benwc> Doonz they said goto ubuntu and ask them questions about almost debian
[12:59] <Seveas> Yuki, you don't...
[12:59] <IIIEars> benwc - #dbian is just jealous for the ease of Ubuntu/debian
[12:59] <La_PaRCa> Yuki, root is disabled by default in ubuntu
[12:59] <vader1102> benwc: I refuse to go in there, I get better reponses from google
[12:59] <jcapote> my favorite channel in relation to os support is #freebsd
[12:59] <nistco92> crimsun:i posted it in the pastebin
[12:59] <Doonz> yeah
[12:59] <La_PaRCa> Yuki, use sudo instead
[12:59] <Yuki> but what is the command to unlock a folder?
[12:59] <Seveas> Yuki, unlock..?
[01:00] <Doonz> thats why im soo impreassed with ubuntu support
[01:00] <benwc> I was told Debian people are arrogant. Never has expierence with them though
[01:00] <Doonz> specially with a few guys in here that always help me
[01:00] <sjmurdoch> Yuki: chmod will let you change permissions
[01:00] <Doonz> Seveas specially
[01:00] <Yuki> I mounted an ntfs partition to my home directory, but the folder is locked, how do I change the permissions?
[01:00] <IIIEars> "Open says-me"?
[01:00] <Doonz> oh
[01:00] <Doonz> chown and chmod
[01:00] <benwc> their disto got hacked twice in one year so I switched to ubuntu and so far, no problems
[01:00] <Doonz> chown user dir
[01:00] <Seveas> Yuki, add umask=0000 to the line in /etc/fstab
[01:00] <nalioth_wrkn> Yuki: you dont
[01:00] <Doonz> chmod 775 dir
[01:00] <Seveas> Doonz, won't work for ntfs :)
[01:00] <Doonz> damn
[01:00] <nalioth_wrkn> Yuki: writing to ntfs can damage your ntfs partition
[01:00] <Doonz> i thought i had learnt something
[01:01] <wildrabbit_> do you guys know of a good ftp server with some virtual frontend to run on a ubuntu ?
[01:01] <holycow> Doonz, they are good, eh?
[01:01] <benwc> I had some berlin worm... the
[01:01] <Yuki> I don't want to write to it, I want to take data from
[01:01] <vader1102> in #Debian if you don't ask your ? even halp proper they will tell you to re-word or leave lol
[01:01] <wildrabbit_> on a local lan ?
[01:01] <catolh> it doesnt hurt me if i enable dma on /dev/hda  & /dev/hdc  & /dev/cdrom0  right?
[01:01] <Seveas> wildrabbit_, 'virtual frontend' ..?
[01:01] <Doonz> Holycow pardon?
[01:01] <aru_> Yuki: you need to do it as user, not su
[01:01] <wildrabbit_> Seveas, GUI
[01:01] <Seveas> wildrabbit_, hmm, proftpd+webmin comes close
[01:01] <Yuki> but it won;'t let me as a user
[01:01] <Doonz> thats ok i installed the 64bit version of ubuntu but alot of stuff isnt supported yet
[01:02] <Seveas> Yuki, add umask=0000 to the line in /etc/fstab <[01:02] <Yuki> ok
[01:02] <Yuki> just use gedit?
[01:02] <Doonz> Yuki ignore what i said
[01:02] <Seveas> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[01:02] <benwc> Anyone wanna help a ubuntu fan find a good place to learn how to compile a kernel w/ ip alias support?
[01:02] <wildrabbit_> Seveas, I'll try it thanks.
[01:02] <Seveas> benwc: You can find compilation instructions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[01:02] <jcapote> so any laptop/ubuntu users in here can help me with my function key issue?
[01:02] <Seveas> Doonz, we all started like that :)
[01:02] <benwc> Seveas thx
[01:02] <Fanskapet> what issue?
[01:03] <Doonz> im learning as i go. but still get lost
[01:03] <crimsun> NicP: next time, please pass me the url
[01:03] <jcapote> the function keys that brighten/dim the laptop screen, take like 10 seconds to work
[01:03] <jcapote> from when i push them
[01:03] <jcapote> to the actual effect
[01:03] <vader1102> got a question, to get my battery display to work I  have to open a term and type in modprobe apm.... is there a way to make this do it upon boot up?
[01:03] <LasseL> I get this error from synaptic when trying to upgrade firefox: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox_1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package mozilla-firefox
[01:03] <benwc> is there a way to recompile my kernel w/ ip alias support?
[01:03] <LasseL> -- and now I can't open firefox to google the error :/
[01:04] <Seveas> benwc, yes
[01:04] <crimsun> NicP: sorry
[01:04] <zukalk> LasseL, don't use FF. use Epiphany or Galleon
[01:04] <nalioth> LasseL: use galeon, epiphany, kazehakase or other browser
[01:04] <zukalk> LasseL, or even links2 ;)
[01:04] <IIIEars> LasseL - add another broweser links,lynx (text only or gecko,epiphany. etc
[01:04] <benwc> Seveas have you ever compiled w/ ip alias?
[01:04] <Seveas> install the kernel-source and kernel-package packages, run make menuconfig to enable it and recompile with make-kpkg (for more dtails: see that website and the manpages)
[01:04] <benwc> I seriosuly need help
[01:05] <jcapote> zukalk: whats wrong with FF
[01:05] <Seveas> benwc, no, but these are generic instructions that sould work for kernels where it is in the source :)
[01:05] <zukalk> jcapote, nothing, but LasseL couldn't get it to run
[01:05] <LasseL> hmm, any hint on what might cause my error
[01:05] <zukalk> jcapote, to install, i mean
[01:06] <wildrabbit_> Seveas, how do I run it?
[01:06] <IIIEars> FF most recent update cause problems with D/L links?update
[01:06] <wildrabbit_> sudo /etc/webmin doesn't work
[01:06] <catolh> Ok, so.. DMA settings, i cant enable dma on hdc when im in x.. so i add it in my hdparm.conf.. but how do i enable dma on both my cdrw and my dvdrw's ?
[01:06] <zukalk> i personally use Opera
[01:06] <La_PaRCa> ubotu tell me about codecs
[01:06] <vader1102> zukalk: so do I
[01:07] <cut0ff> zukalk I'll give a try to Opera
[01:07] <zukalk> cut0ff, good ;)
[01:07] <IIIEars> Is Opera free?
[01:07] <Seveas> IIIEars, no
[01:07] <jcapote> it is, if you want to see an ad all day
[01:07] <zukalk> well, yes and no
[01:07] <Seveas> it's expensive and buggy ;)
[01:07] <vader1102> yes IIIEars, but there is a buy it version too
[01:07] <zukalk> Seveas, buggy?
[01:08] <IIIEars> Seveas - ah - yes now i remember. @#$#@-!
[01:08] <benwc> is there an alternative to compiling a kernel for multiple IP support on one eth?
[01:08] <phixion> firefox > opera
[01:08] <jcapote> not as buggy as 20 second delay dimmer keys :)
[01:08] <Seveas> zukalk, as a web developer i find all browsers buggy, don't pay too much attention to it :)
[01:08] <cut0ff> zukalk does Opera have extensions like FF?
[01:08] <zukalk> Seveas, ah, well then.. ;)
[01:09] <zukalk> cut0ff, it already has a lot of features that in FF are extensions
[01:09] <zukalk> cut0ff, like mouse gestures, for instance
[01:09] <Seveas> zukalk, last time i tried opera, css sucked too hard to be true
[01:09] <Seveas> but that was quite a while ago :)
[01:09] <cut0ff> zukalk thanks mate
[01:09] <IIIEars> give me konquerer or FF or give me death. - patrick henry?
[01:09] <zukalk> lol
[01:09] <catolh> and how do i get navigational buttons in the file explorer?.. :o
[01:10] <catolh> looked everywhere.. :\
[01:10] <Doonz> catolh did you get an answer?
[01:10] <Seveas> catolh, set it to 'always open in browser windows'
[01:10] <catolh> Doonz, what? the dma thingie?
[01:10] <Doonz> yeah
[01:10] <phaer> i tried osb-browser ALPHA yesterday
[01:10] <catolh> Well, i got it to enable dma on my hdc
[01:10] <Doonz> yeah
[01:10] <Doonz> but about the cdr and dvdr
[01:10] <catolh> but dont i need to enable it on my cd roms?
[01:11] <Doonz> it should be cause its faster
[01:11] <zukalk> speaking of which.. will Breezy's nautilus use spatial by default?
[01:11] <phaer> it works with gtk-webcore ... will be nice when it's finished ;)
[01:11] <Seveas> zukalk, yes, just like wartys and hoarys nautilus...
[01:11] <wildrabbit_> Seveas, how do I run it?
[01:11] <IIIEars> catolh - this link is pretty good (worked for me.)
[01:11] <IIIEars> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=263840#post263840
[01:11] <catolh> Doonz, well.. when i look in /dev/ i have cdrom , cdrom1 , cdrw and cdrw1.. and i only have a cdrw and a dvdrw
[01:12] <Doonz> hmm
[01:12] <zukalk> Seveas, thanks. i switched back to spatial a few hours ago, i'm gonna give it a 2nd shot
[01:12] <cut0ff> Seveas I'm disapointed
[01:12] <Seveas> wildrabbit_, webmin gives you an interface via a webpage, you should read the webmin documentation in /usr/share/webmin
[01:12] <Seveas> cut0ff, with what..?
[01:12] <Seveas> zukalk, spatial isn't that bad. The 'Ubuntu' spatial sucks though...
[01:12] <catolh> IIIEars, ooh.. so i need a Via module?
[01:12] <cut0ff> Seveas about what you said
[01:13] <vinboy> any good mp3 player for linux?
[01:13] <phixion> muine
[01:13] <Seveas> cut0ff, i've said like a zillion things....
[01:13] <Seveas> vinboy, beep-media-player, muine, totem, rhythmbox, vlc...
[01:13] <vinboy> thx
[01:13] <IIIEars> erm - there is usable info a little further down the page.
[01:13] <zukalk> Seveas, how's it different from others?
[01:13] <cut0ff> Seveas "yes, just like wartys and hoarys nautilus..."
[01:13] <Seveas> zukalk, normal spatial doesn't close the parent if you open a child folder
[01:13] <phixion> imo mplayer and vlc for video, muine for audio
[01:13] <vader1102> I am out for a while, need to do some email and all of that stuff. Later folks
[01:14] <goodtod> what is the gnome applet I can install to see the wireless signal strength and other wifi info?
[01:14] <Seveas> cut0ff, ah, well it's a matter of preference :)
[01:14] <zukalk> Seveas, have you tried double clicking a window with the middle mouse button? ;)
[01:14] <Seveas> cut0ff, and it won't magically change your settings, so if you have it in browser mode now it will be in breezy too
[01:14] <Seveas> zukalk, i have no such button (laptop)
[01:14] <zukalk> ahuman01, i see
[01:14] <zukalk> ehm, ah, i see*
[01:14] <resiak> Seveas: Yes you do. Use both buttons together.
[01:14] <zukalk> damn auto complete
[01:14] <IIIEars> be careful with webmin - a few exploits seem to always be floating around for it. - enable it when you need it.
[01:15] <Seveas> resiak, I hate that...
[01:15] <vinboy> how can I apt-get beep-media-player?
[01:15] <Seveas> vinboy, sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[01:15] <nuky> have any of you tried splitvt? would you recommend it for use with vim? i miss having the console in the editor like in kate..
[01:15] <Seveas> vinboy, you need universe enabled for that
[01:15] <resiak> Seveas: WFM
[01:15] <Seveas> resiak, hm?
[01:15] <catolh> IIIEars, the via82cxxx is included in the ubuntu package by default right? i just have to add it to modules?
[01:15] <resiak> Seveas: Works for me :)
[01:15] <Seveas> ah :)
[01:16] <zukalk> resiak, thanks, didn't know that. much more practical than middle button ;)
[01:16] <resiak> zukalk: Yeah.
[01:16] <zukalk> but it should be the other way round
[01:17] <zukalk> left button -> new window | both/middle -> same
[01:17] <cut0ff> Seveas  why don't use aptitude instead of apt-get?
[01:17] <vinboy> Seveas, how do I turn universe enabled?
[01:17] <cut0ff> Seveas it's pretty suitable
[01:18] <Seveas> cut0ff, I use aptitude all the time ;)
[01:18] <flipy> I've set up apache2, php and mysql (thanks to Seveas) but, do I have to enable <Directory> config for each one in /var/www?
[01:18] <Seveas> vin: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:18] <Seveas> vin: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[01:18] <Seveas> flipy, no...
[01:19] <flipy> well, so that's weird, cuz I can run testphp.php
[01:19] <IIIEars> caolh - the table here explains how to check if dma is active and the switches available for hdparm - http://www.linuxnetmag.com/en/issue7/m7hdparm1.html
[01:19] <IIIEars> catolh
[01:19] <anne> about opera, its downloaded to my desktop, what do i write when i am in terminal modus, install that downloaded opera correctly? cd desktop i know, but after that
[01:19] <flipy> but I've installed drupal (/var/www/drupal) and trying to run index.php from drupal just downloads a file (with php code on it)
[01:19] <vinboy> thx man
[01:19] <flipy> anne: it is a .deb package?
[01:19] <Seveas> flipy, that's odde....
[01:20] <sacool> anne dpka -i filename.deb
[01:20] <catolh> !dma
[01:20] <sacool> dpkg i mean ;)
[01:20] <flipy> Seveas: haven't seen any <Directory /var/www> on /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[01:20] <IIIEars> Seveas - should apache  mime-magic be adjusted for php?
[01:20] <josePhoenix> \o
[01:21] <Seveas> IIIEars, no
[01:21] <josePhoenix> what is the package name for TCL?
[01:21] <Seveas> flipy, can you paste your /etc/apache2/apache2.conf on a pastebin please
[01:21] <anne> i have to get it whit little tea spoons, again
[01:21] <jcapote> flipy: your going to need to add the .php type to apache
[01:21] <crimsun> josePhoenix: tcl8.x
[01:21] <holycow> josePhoenix, apt-cache search tcl
[01:21] <Seveas> josePhoenix, tcl8.3 or 8.4
[01:21] <josePhoenix> thanks \o
[01:21] <phixion> this is driving me mad now... I can't dload anything from links in firefox, it just does nothing. any ideas?
[01:22] <sacool> phixion try opera...
[01:22] <Seveas> phixion, latest FF is buggy
[01:22] <holycow> very
[01:22] <Seveas> downgrade to the previous Ubuntu package
[01:22] <IIIEars> phixion - same thing here i think after an update. right click to save seems to work. - is that what you are seeing?
[01:22] <phixion> yeah, but i cant right click save some stuff
[01:22] <phixion> thats why its annoying :)
[01:22] <flipy> Seveas: http://pastebin.com/319376
[01:22] <holycow> Seveas, thats an option? i thought the repository always had the latest?
[01:23] <Seveas> wget http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefox-gnome-support_1.0.2-0ubuntu5.3_i386.deb
[01:23] <Seveas> wget http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefox_1.0.2-0ubuntu5.3_i386.deb
[01:23] <Seveas> dpkg -i mozilla*.deb
[01:23] <holycow> danke
[01:23] <Seveas> de.archive still has the previous :)
[01:23] <phixion> Seveas, is that how i downgrade?
[01:23] <holycow> its funny you guys posting this, i just uninstall ff for that reason
[01:23] <anne> it just says command not found
[01:23] <catolh> IIIEars, Thanks alot for the link you gave me. It worked when i loaded the via82cxxx :)
[01:23] <Seveas> phixion, yes
[01:23] <flipy> anne: can you run dpkg --help?
[01:24] <phixion> thanks mate
[01:24] <sacool> anne when u wriet dpkg -i ??
[01:24] <Seveas> flipy, did you change any of the apache config files yourself?
[01:25] <LasseL> I tried downgrading firefox with: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox=1.0.2-0ubuntu5 mozilla-firefox-gnome-support=1.0.2-0ubuntu5
[01:25] <phixion> Seveas, them links arent working, got any others?
[01:25] <flipy> Seveas: no, but I do had a lot of troubles (removing and uninstalling everything several times)
[01:25] <LasseL> but I get: firefox-gnome-support: Depends: firefox (= 1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5) but it is not going to be installed
[01:25] <Seveas> philc, ah bugger, must have been removed
[01:25] <Seveas> LasseL, that's what you get for using backport crap :)
[01:25] <Seveas> phixion, hang on
[01:25] <holycow> Seveas, error 404 on the wget linkage?] 
[01:26] <LasseL> Seveas, what do you mean?
[01:26] <LasseL> Seveas, FF was on the system by default. Yes, I enabled some extra repositories, but how can that break FF now
[01:27] <Seveas> LasseL, you enabled backports
[01:27] <zukalk> hey i was trying to install Galeon using apt, but it's saying that some dependencies cannot be satisfied (mozilla-browser, galeon-common). my sources.list is fine, i even tried using the list at paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[01:27] <Seveas> FF from backports is even crappier....
[01:27] <sataere> Can anyone tell me why installing the cweb package gets rid of tetex, when it is dependent on tetex?!
[01:27] <LasseL> Seveas, but how did I get that instead of the default one?
[01:27] <holycow> Seveas, any other repositories with that particular package? the wget above 404's on me
[01:27] <Seveas> LasseL, because you enabled backports and tan apt-get upgrade....
[01:28] <benwc> what an adventure it is bulding a kernel ;)
[01:28] <Seveas> holycow, am uploading it to my own server now...
[01:28] <holycow> woot!
[01:28] <holycow> :) u rock bro!
[01:28] <phixion> thank Seveas
[01:28] <phixion> thanks*
[01:28] <phixion> will this uninstall the firefox i have now? or should I do it manually?
[01:28] <LasseL> Seveas, so a package from another repository can "upgrade" one from the official?
[01:28] <cut0ff> holycow what repos are you using?
[01:29] <Seveas> LasseL, yes....
[01:29] <vmh> hey
[01:29] <holycow> standard ubuntu repos
[01:29] <holycow> uk i think
[01:29] <LasseL> that sucks, it didn't tell me that
[01:29] <vmh> I'm having some problems installing java.. can anyone help me?
[01:29] <Seveas> phixion, holycow, private message :)
[01:29] <Seveas> vmh: To install java on Ubuntu: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, sudo aptitude install fakeroot java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , sudo dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[01:29] <flipy> vmh: have you tried ubuntuguide.org?
[01:30] <Seveas> flipy, please don't advise that site...
[01:30] <sproingie> !ubuntuguide
[01:30] <ubotu> from memory, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[01:30] <aru_> how do I get the archive manager so support rar?
[01:30] <vmh> no thanks, but I've downloaded the file, and tried to follow the install guide at the java site
[01:30] <cut0ff> holycow I mean what backportas are you using?
[01:30] <flipy> ok sorry Seveas
[01:30] <Seveas> aru_, install rar (it costs money)
[01:30] <vmh> no, thanks that is
[01:30] <Seveas> vmh, that is the bad way on Ubuntu....
[01:30] <holycow> cut0ff, i don't use backports, i don't consider it a good idea
[01:30] <vmh> ok
[01:31] <sproingie> i have backports pinned, it seems stable enough
[01:31] <holycow> by its very nature backports simply cannot be trusted
[01:31] <Seveas> sproingie, backports are quite ok, but the backported FF pacakges are very bad
[01:31] <holycow> i want a system that works basically
[01:31] <sproingie> thats a strong statement
[01:31] <cut0ff> holycow I'm sorry
[01:31] <anne> i cant figure it out, first i writ cd desktop, then i write????????????its opera its all about, and its saved on my desktop, just a matter of getting it to work,
[01:31] <LasseL> sproingie, did you upgrade to the latest firefox?
[01:31] <holycow> cut0ff, no need to appologize :)
[01:31] <sproingie> LasseL: nope.  is the latest one broken?
[01:32] <Seveas> sproingie, yes
[01:32] <holycow> i don't mean to dis the project at all infact
[01:32] <LasseL> sproingie, wont even start on my system
[01:32] <sproingie> huh.  sucks
[01:32] <Seveas> sproingie, FF devs broke it again
[01:32] <sproingie> i have the latest on windows, works fine
[01:32] <holycow> thats pretty much what ff devs test to
[01:33] <phixion> lol, worked great thx Seveas :D
[01:33] <D1> does anyone know how I could change kde/qt fonts without having the entire kde installed?
[01:33] <Seveas> D1, qtconfig oslt
[01:33] <holycow> D1, install kde control center
[01:33] <holycow> or that
[01:34] <IRCMonkey> D1, yeah, kcontrol I think
[01:34] <holycow> :)
[01:34] <sacool> anne try this cd Desktop and then dpgk -i opera-static_8.01-20050615.1-qt_en_i386.deb
[01:34] <Seveas> D1, qt3-qtconfig
[01:35] <D1> ok, I'll try all those, cept kcontrol unless it comes in its own package.
[01:35] <D1> I installed qt/kdelibs for kftpgrabber
[01:35] <D1> the only decent ftp client for linux.
[01:36] <Seveas> D1, you should have installed them from the Ubuntu repositories....
[01:36] <IRCMonkey> Does everyone get that weird "It is not possible to upgrade all packages." "mozilla-firefox" "mozilla-firefox-gnome-support" error when they run the ubuntu updater?
[01:36] <Seveas> ah nvm
[01:36] <Seveas> misread it
[01:36] <IRCMonkey> gftp is pretty good
[01:36] <D1> I installed from kubuntu repo
[01:36] <D1> gftp is terrible and lacks options for me.
[01:36] <Seveas> D1, yeah I read that line wrong :)
[01:36] <IRCMonkey> really?
[01:36] <IRCMonkey> I use it for SFTP a lot
[01:36] <IRCMonkey> does the job I guess
[01:36] <resiak> lftp !
[01:36] <sataere> Can anyone help me?  I write in CWEB, and CWEB needs gcc and tetex to be fully functional.  (It is even listed as a dependency of tetex-bin.)  But when I try to install it, it tries to get rid of tetex!
[01:36] <resiak> scp and zsh tab-completion!
[01:37] <IRCMonkey> resiak: does lftp use gtk?
[01:37] <anne> thank you sacool, i did it on my computer earlier this evening, but when i should help my husband i had forgotten what to write, no i have written it down, thank you
[01:37] <LasseL> Seveas, how can one see where a package comes from?
[01:37] <IRCMonkey> ahh console eh?
[01:37] <holycow> i'm going to try using galeon for a while
[01:37] <Seveas> LasseL, apt-cache policy $packagename
[01:37] <holycow> i'm going to miss a few extensions i think
[01:38] <flipy> Seveas: how does look an sites-avilable file for apache2?
[01:38] <zukalk> holycow, tell me if you have problems installing Galeon
[01:38] <D1> hmm, I think qt-config only controls pure qt apps
[01:38] <Seveas> sataere, cweb uses libkpathsea which replaces tetex
[01:38] <D1> not kde apps
[01:38] <LasseL> firefox-gnome-support:  Installed: 1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5
[01:39] <Seveas> sataere, apt-cache show libkpathsea3
[01:39] <holycow> zukalk, installed, seems to be working fine :)
[01:39] <LasseL> is that a backport?
[01:39] <Seveas> LasseL, yes
[01:39] <LasseL> Seveas, how do you see that?
[01:39] <Seveas> package with ubp in the version are backports
[01:39] <zukalk> holycow, damn :P i have no idea why it doesn't work with me
[01:39] <LasseL> ok
[01:39] <resiak> Invisible: It's console and is awesome.
[01:40] <holycow> i like ff, the one thought i had while Seveas helped out with the ff issue was that ff is highly windows centric in its approach.  galeon is more integrated into the gnome desktop so lets see how it performs
[01:40] <holycow> zukalk, really?
[01:40] <ubuntu_> can windows apps be installed in UBUNTU?
[01:40] <holycow> open up console and start up galeon from there? to give you a quick peek as to what might be going on?
[01:40] <Seveas> ubuntu_, some can
[01:40] <Seveas> using wine
[01:40] <zukalk> holycow, really. says dependencies cannot be satisfied (mozilla-browser, galeon-common)
[01:41] <cut0ff> ubuntu_ have a try to wine
[01:41] <holycow> zukalk, change to another repository server?
[01:41] <holycow> enable universe just to try?
[01:41] <sataere> Seveas, Doesn't that say tetex (<<2.0) ?  Tetex is version 2.0.2
[01:41] <anne> sorry sacool it didnt work, i have to try again tomorrow
[01:41] <zukalk> holycow, it is enabled
[01:41] <Seveas> sataere, it conflicts with tetex-lib which is required for tetex-bin
[01:41] <resiak> Invisible: Sorry, wrong tab completion.
[01:42] <holycow> Seveas, thanks, ff works fine again!  of course the update applet wants me to update it now   ...   >_>
[01:42] <teferi> good god, "BinaryDriverHowto" for sl-modem is so wrong
[01:42] <Seveas> holycow, just ignore that for now
[01:42] <teferi> this is fucking 2005, we have m-a
[01:42] <Seveas> next Ubuntu version is due monday
[01:42] <zukalk> holycow, i'm using the ubuntu.com rep server
[01:42] <holycow> zukalk, *hmm* there has to be a way
[01:43] <toresbe> teferi: Please fix it then. (Really, please do!)
[01:43] <Seveas> teferi, feel free to improve it, it's a wiki
[01:43] <holycow> let me post my sources.list file
[01:43] <zukalk> #flood?
[01:43] <teferi> Seveas: remind me tomorrow, i'm at a party
[01:43] <teferi> i'm not spending my beer time on a wiki ;)
[01:43] <thingfish> yay! for parties.
[01:43] <sataere> Seveas, But CWEB and libksea3 are both utilities for TeX..why would they conflict with it?!  >.<
[01:43] <Seveas> sataere, ENOCLUE....
[01:44] <cut0ff> ho ho ho
[01:44] <holycow> http://pastebin.com/319386  <--- easier than #flood
[01:44] <alexluna> hi
[01:44] <Seveas> sataere, even worse: tetex-bin simply conflicts: cweb
[01:45] <alexluna> how i can install the flashplugin in my PPC
[01:45] <alexluna> ?
[01:45] <vinboy> the beep-media-player and xmms freeze whenever i try to play an mp3
[01:45] <Seveas> alexluna, you can't
[01:45] <vinboy> anyone know why
[01:45] <Seveas> vinboy: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[01:45] <vinboy> oh ic
[01:45] <vinboy> let me try
[01:45] <cut0ff> alexluna try aptitude install 'flashplugin-nonfree'
[01:46] <alexluna> ok ok
[01:46] <alexluna> i try
[01:46] <vinboy> it froze when I select esound from the dropdown list
[01:46] <Seveas> cut0ff, that's not available for ppc...
[01:46] <alexluna> ii will try
[01:46] <cut0ff> Seveas oops
[01:46] <Xbizzle> am i in the n00b need simple bit of help section?
[01:46] <cut0ff> Seveas sorry
[01:46] <zukalk> holycow, let's try now with your sources.list
[01:47] <holycow> yeah, i'm curious
[01:47] <Seveas> vinboy, i had that too, open ~/.xmms/config (or ~/.bmp/config) in a text editor and search for a line with output_plugin
[01:47] <vinboy> Seveas, ok... hold on
[01:47] <Seveas> it should look like: output_plugin=/usr/lib/bmp/Output/libesdout.so
[01:47] <Seveas> or for xmms: output_plugin=/usr/lib/xmms/Output/libesdout.so
[01:48] <D1> thanks guys, kcontrol worked and it wasn't that terrible of a download.
[01:48] <zukalk> *&#@$.. still doesn't work
[01:48] <sataere> Seveas, This is making me miss Gentoo!  ;.;
[01:48] <vinboy> Seveas, weird. there is not config file in my .bmp
[01:48] <Seveas> zukalk, did you do apt-get update after editing sources.list?
[01:49] <thingfish> misfit_toy: hello hello
[01:49] <zukalk> Seveas, yes twice
[01:49] <AMCDeathKnight> HELP!
[01:49] <Seveas> vinboy, wget http://ubuntulinux.nl/~dennis/config -O ~/.bmp/config
[01:49] <AMCDeathKnight> I get this:
[01:50] <holycow> zukalk, i find that very hard to believe, i JUST installed it :/
[01:50] <holycow> *hmmm*
[01:50] <Seveas> sataere, I never used cweb myself, but it looks like cweb does not need tetex and uses libkpathsea...
[01:50] <vinboy> The requested URL /~dennis/config -O ~/.bmp/config was not found on this server.
[01:50] <AMCDeathKnight> trying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package mozilla-firefox
[01:50] <AMCDeathKnight> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[01:50] <AMCDeathKnight> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:50] <AMCDeathKnight>  /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox_1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5_i386.deb
[01:50] <AMCDeathKnight> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:50] <AMCDeathKnight> help?
[01:50] <holycow> zukalk, are/were you running hoary?
[01:50] <Seveas> AMCDeathKnight, never paste in here....
[01:50] <holycow> did you do any backports stuff?
[01:50] <zukalk> holycow, yes
[01:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hi all ^_^
[01:51] <Xbizzle> crap this s a busy channel!!!!!!!
[01:51] <Seveas> vinboy, don't put quotes around it
[01:51] <DaSkreech> Can You spring load the folders in Gnome?
[01:51] <holycow> zukalk, yes to which part?
[01:51] <holycow> oh and
[01:51] <Seveas> just put that line in a terminal...
[01:51] <FarmerBob`> I'm having trouble with apt-get in hoary
[01:51] <zukalk> holycow, i am* using Hoary
[01:51] <vinboy> Seveas, I found my config file now !!
[01:51] <holycow> pastebing your install logs from apt so we can take a look?
[01:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Seveas, hi ^_^
[01:51] <Seveas> FarmerBob`, the problems being..?
[01:51] <zukalk> holycow, and what do you mean by backports stuff?
[01:51] <Seveas> ChurcH_of_FoamY, hi :)
[01:51] <FarmerBob`> trying to install wine, I get "Ign http://wine.sourceforge.net binary/ Packages" when doing "apt-get update"
[01:52] <vinboy> Seveas, so do I delete the line that say output_plugin?
[01:52] <sataere> Seveas, CWEB is a utility that lets you write tex and C into one file, and the utility will seperate it into a TeX file (great looking documentation) and a C file (not great looking, but it compiles fine).  Without a tex compiler, the tex file can't be converted into documentation.
[01:52] <apollo2011> I just added a program to my startup and wanted to make sure it started properly and rebooted.  I told it to save my session and Log Out, it popped up and said my session was saved but didn't log me out. So I logged out again, not saving the session.  When I logged back in, it froze while it said it was loading Metacity.  Is there something I can delete in my config to get it to start?
[01:52] <Seveas> FarmerBob`, that's normal
[01:52] <Seveas> sataere, hmm
[01:52] <FarmerBob`> and it won't find wine for apt-get install wine
[01:52] <holycow> zukalk, that means your not using backports, so you should have a standard hoary install, good
[01:52] <Xbizzle> me need help with basic problem! with installation any takers?
[01:52] <holycow> pastebin the results of trying to install galeon so we can see the errors
[01:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh great they broke both versions of firefox now >.<
[01:52] <zukalk> holycow, i had the backports in the reps, and i use them from time to time
[01:52] <Seveas> sataere, then you should file a bug at bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[01:53] <sataere> Seveas, Okay.
[01:53] <zukalk> holycow, atm, they're commented
[01:53] <Seveas> vinboy, you change it
[01:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hey i have update's for ubuntu in my update manager are they safe?
[01:53] <Seveas> it should look like: output_plugin=/usr/lib/bmp/Output/libesdout.so
[01:53] <holycow> zukalk, that almost certainly has something to do with it
[01:53] <holycow> something in y our install is the wrong versin
[01:53] <Seveas> ChurcH_of_FoamY, NO
[01:53] <holycow> pastebing your galeon install messages plz
[01:53] <apollo2011> anyone have any idea what I could do to get Gnome to load?
[01:53] <Seveas> ChurcH_of_FoamY, these are just as broken...
[01:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shit so don't update?
[01:53] <vinboy> Seveas, ok cool.. it works now on xmms but not beep-media-player
[01:54] <vinboy> but its ok
[01:54] <vinboy> i'll play around it with it
[01:54] <vinboy> thanks alot Seveas
[01:54] <Seveas> apollo2011, rm ~/.ICEauthority ~/.Xauthority
[01:54] <apollo2011> Seveas: thx will try
[01:54] <FarmerBob`> how do I get apt-get to install wine?
[01:55] <holycow> wow, i just opened up 100 tabs from one of my bookmark folders in galeon
[01:55] <AMCDeathKnight> helo?
[01:55] <AMCDeathKnight> phew hmm
[01:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Seveas, so don't install the updates in the update manager?
[01:55] <holycow> galeon really handles caching a lot differently from ff
[01:55] <holycow> neat
[01:55] <AMCDeathKnight> soryr i didnt know i couldnt paste
[01:55] <Seveas> ChurcH_of_FoamY, no :)
[01:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[01:55] <Seveas> AMCDeathKnight, common sense (and the channel topic) should tell you that...
[01:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thanx i thought i'd check first to see what was what
[01:55] <AMCDeathKnight> I need help with firefox it wont update
[01:56] <AMCDeathKnight> nor will it run
[01:56] <Seveas> AMCDeathKnight, how did you install it?
[01:56] <Seveas> do NOT use the backports package (your paste shows you are trying to)
[01:57] <sph> Evening All.
[01:57] <Seveas> evenin' sph
[01:57] <AMCDeathKnight> it was installed; when i installed my operating system, but i apt'd it to the new version but it says something about cannot overwite
[01:57] <AMCDeathKnight> i dont know, im quite new to linux so i dont know
[01:57] <Seveas> AMCDeathKnight, simply don't use the backports repository then
[01:57] <AMCDeathKnight> oh ok, so remove it and thats it?
[01:57] <AMCDeathKnight> try the other ones
[01:58] <sph> What is the backports stuff anyway?
[01:58] <Seveas> sph, breezy ackages compiled in a hoary environment
[01:58] <Seveas> sph, with no guarantee that they work :)
[01:58] <jeran> How do I use remote connect on Ubuntu?
[01:58] <Seveas> jeran, 'remote connect'?
[01:59] <jeran> remote connection, connecting to a computer not in my room
[01:59] <sph> Seveas: ah, thanks
[01:59] <FarmerBob`> ssh?
[01:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> there was an tv commercail for an free internet music service and i can't remember what the name was >.<
[01:59] <jeran> Here is what i'm trying to do..
[01:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> any one know?
[01:59] <nonedead> rapsty
[01:59] <FarmerBob`> emule
[01:59] <AMCDeathKnight> my friend connects to his linux computer with ssh and soomething called webadmin
[01:59] <^thehatsrule^> webmin?
[01:59] <sph> webadmin is good: web based interface.
[02:00] <Seveas> webmin
[02:00] <jeran> I have a desktop with Windows XP and a laptop with Ubuntu on it, I want to beable to connect to my laptop through my desktop and control it, without using ssh because I'd like a graphical interface.. I know Windows to Windows this can be done, I thought I read that it could be done Windows to Linux as well...
[02:00] <AMCDeathKnight> oh ok
[02:00] <sph> webmin
[02:00] <Seveas> webmin is a spawn of the devil :
[02:00] <sph> rather
[02:00] <zukalk> wtf? my gcc-4.0-base is a backport !  :|
[02:00] <sph> no, its pretty good
[02:00] <Seveas> jeran, so you want a GUI connection from windows to linux?
[02:00] <^thehatsrule^> lol its just easy to use
[02:00] <jeran> I'd prefer it, but if I can't i'll just use SSH
[02:00] <Seveas> jeran, Ubuntu has a VNC server built in
[02:01] <AMCDeathKnight> oh no; the new firefox hasnt been uploaded to he respoisitories
[02:01] <Seveas> system -> prefs -> remote desktop
[02:01] <jeran> How do I 'start' it?
[02:01] <Seveas> go to that menu :)
[02:01] <Seveas> you will need a vnc viewer for windows
[02:01] <catolh> Argh, i still cant get my bluetooth usb adapter to work.. Is there a driver necessary for it to work? I've already installed gnome-bluetooth, and ubuntu detects my usb adapter in device manager.
[02:02] <jeran> I don't see VNC Server anywhere.... What else could it be called?
[02:02] <Seveas> jeran, system -> preferences -> remote desktop
[02:02] <Seveas> that's the whole thing...
[02:02] <AMCDeathKnight> i removed the backports but there is no other firefox installtion on any of the others i have set up
[02:03] <Seveas> AMCDeathKnight, removing backports from the sources.lixt will not magically downgrade it...
[02:03] <Cueball> Hi I dont have anything in the keyboard layout section of my KDE control panel. Could I be missing a package or do I need to change a driver or something? Do anyone else have this problem?
[02:03] <catolh> !bluetooth
[02:03] <ubotu> catolh: Wish i knew
[02:03] <catolh> :o
[02:03] <teferi>  catolh what do you want to do with it?
[02:03] <teferi> er
[02:03] <teferi> stick a comma somewhere in there
[02:03] <AMCDeathKnight> i romoved it from synaptic
[02:03] <sph> Good night all.
[02:03] <FarmerBob`> I can't get apt-get to find a wine package for installation.   I followed all the instructions on the wine website for ubuntu, but I'm not having any luck with it
[02:03] <BlazingSteakSauc> has anyone had expereince with ubuntu on a novell network ?
[02:03] <AMCDeathKnight> but now its telling me its listed there; but no one has uploaded it so i cant download it
[02:03] <catolh> teferi, mostly connect to my SE T610 and send pictures/ringtones etc..
[02:03] <vinboy> how do I install sking for beep-mp?
[02:04] <teferi> catolh: easy
[02:04] <Cueball> FarmerBob`: Type apt-cache search package
[02:04] <jeran> Seveas: Thanks.. Now where can I get the VNC Viewer?
[02:04] <vinboy> i downloaded the xmms skin for beep-mp
[02:04] <teferi> install bluez-utils, bluez-pin, bluez-hcidump, and gnome-bluetooth
[02:04] <catolh> teferi, could you walk me through it? cause im kind of lost here. Tried everything
[02:04] <teferi> talk to me when you'vedone that
[02:04] <catolh> ok
[02:04] <BlazingSteakSauc> no one?
[02:04] <catolh> i'll do that
[02:05] <Seveas> jeran, google is your friend :)
[02:05] <FarmerBob`> Cueball: "apt-cache search package wine" finds libwine and libwine-dev
[02:05] <teferi> Seveas: remind me to update BinaryDriverHowto for slmodem tomorrow, please
[02:05] <ed1t> later Seveas
[02:05] <teferi> Seveas: and to write BluetoothHowto or osmething
[02:05] <thingfish> man, it's awful early here to be going to bed.
[02:05] <qt2> anyone know how to get grime that's stuck to a tightly packed circut board without destroying the board?
[02:05] <Seveas> thingfish, 2am here :)
[02:06] <thingfish> especially on a Saturday.
[02:06] <thingfish> oh hehe Seveas that's different.
[02:06] <catolh> teferi, ok, im done
[02:06] <thingfish> nighty night then
[02:06] <teferi> catolh: okay. edit /etc/bluetooth/pin and put a PIN in there
[02:06] <teferi> 4-6 digits, usually
[02:06] <teferi> pick one and remember it
[02:06] <AMCDeathKnight> but now its telling me its listed there; but no one has uploaded it so i cant download it
[02:07] <BlazingSteakSauc> anyone know how to connected ubuntu to novell netware?
[02:07] <catolh> done
[02:07] <teferi> catolh: after that, make your phone "discoverable" (I can't tell you the exact details for how to do that, because i don't have a t610), and run "hcitool scan" to find your phone's bluetooth address
[02:07] <holycow> wow, galeon has some nice gnome integration
[02:07] <teferi> catolh: it may also be called "Find Me"
[02:07] <AMCDeathKnight> I need firefox going as the only other broser I have is Lynx
[02:07] <zukalk> guess i learnt my lesson: backports, never again
[02:07] <zukalk> holycow, don't make jealous
[02:07] <zukalk> make me*
[02:08] <jeran> How do I find out my IP address of my system?
[02:08] <catolh> teferi, ok it found it
[02:08] <holycow> show last page on startup? *oooo*
[02:08] <teferi> catolh: got the address?
[02:08] <holycow> zukalk, sorry ... you still didnt post yoru apt stuff to pastebin
[02:08] <holycow> why?
[02:08] <LasseL> ifconfig or whatismyip.com
[02:08] <teferi> catolh: great. remember that for future reference - you won't need it now if all you want to do is send stuff to the phone
[02:08] <holycow> if we could see what libraries its saying you don't have we can help
[02:09] <teferi> catolh: now, run gnome-obex-send <file you want to send>
[02:09] <teferi> hit refresh in the dialog box that pops up
[02:09] <jeran> LasseL: On Ubuntu
[02:09] <holycow> save session on quit? okay this is just brilliant
[02:09] <teferi> select your phone when it shows up and hit OK
[02:09] <jeran> LasseL: And I need it for my network, not my internet connection
[02:09] <catolh> teferi, ok.. nice and thanks :)
[02:09] <teferi> your phone will ask you for a PIN. enter the PIN you picked.
[02:09] <LasseL> jeran, ifconfig
[02:09] <zukalk> holycow, ok, hold on
[02:09] <teferi> after that, everything will be lovely
[02:09] <BlazingSteakSauc> xfce is great
[02:09] <LasseL> jeran, or System > Administration > Networking
[02:09] <jeran> LasseL: Sorry, I read that as iPconfig before, lol. I appologize
[02:10] <dabaR> jeran: you will forever bear that on your conscience, and apology is not accepted;)
[02:10] <teferi> catolh: any questions, just ask me, i've spent the last week wrangling bluetooth with my phone
[02:10] <Adross> how does one enable the 'debian menu'?
[02:10] <teferi> so i've got the process pretty much worked out
[02:11] <teferi> Adross: apt-get install menu-xdg
[02:11] <teferi> it might be menus-xdg
[02:11] <catolh> teferi, have you tried out the fma? :>
[02:11] <teferi> fma?
[02:11] <Adross> teferi: thanks
[02:11] <catolh> its like a phone manager for SE phones
[02:11] <zukalk> holycow, this is what i was using until an hour ago: http://pastebin.com/319395
[02:11] <catolh> pretty cool, fma.sourceforge.net i think
[02:11] <teferi> catolh: i don't ahve a SE phone :(
[02:12] <catolh> oh.. :\
[02:12] <teferi> catolh: i'd give my eyeteeth to have one, though. i want that accessory menu support bad
[02:12] <catolh> :)
[02:12] <dabaR> Adross: there is a menu, and a menu-xdg
[02:12] <teferi> catolh: anyway, did that work?
[02:12] <catolh> testing now
[02:12] <zukalk> holycow, now, i'm simply using this http://pastebin.com/319396
[02:12] <holycow> zukalk, in your terminal do sudo apt-get install galeon
[02:12] <holycow> and pastebing everything from the terminal
[02:13] <Adross> teferi: so i restart x, then i can enable it?
[02:13] <holycow> heh, galeon can have the same bookmark in MULTIPLE categories
[02:13] <dabaR> Adross: killall gnome-panel will also work likely.
[02:13] <holycow> okay now thats l33t
[02:13] <catolh> teferi, it works :D Awesome, thanks
[02:13] <teferi> catolh: woo! glad to help
[02:13] <catolh> :D
[02:13] <teferi> catolh: you have no idea how much googling this took to find out D:
[02:13] <zukalk> holycow, http://pastebin.com/319398
[02:14] <catolh> hehe :)
[02:14] <catolh> google is your friend.. ^
[02:14] <zukalk> holycow, it basically says it can't satisfy some dependencies, and asks me to fill a bug report
[02:14] <teferi> well, now you benefit from my experience
[02:14] <holycow> -_-
[02:14] <Adross> dabaR: nope, trying to do it through smeg
[02:14] <catolh> and im thankfull :)
[02:14] <Adross> dabaR: should i just restart x?
[02:15] <dabaR> sure I dont see why not.
[02:15] <bluefoxicy> OK
[02:15] <bluefoxicy> I got a netgear WG511T
[02:15] <zukalk> holycow, not sure if babel will do. does it have portuguese?
[02:15] <bluefoxicy> help me make it work.  I stuck it in the PCMCIA slot and nothing happened.
[02:15] <zukalk> :P
[02:15] <dabaR> bluefoxicy: thats all you tried?
[02:15] <bluefoxicy> the HCL says it works with ubuntu.
[02:16] <holycow> zukalk, well galeon requires mozilla-browser package
[02:16] <bluefoxicy> dabaR: ifconfig has no entry for it, the networking and wireless selection thing says nothing
[02:16] <holycow> thats it
[02:16] <holycow> just find the version its asking for
[02:16] <dabaR> bluefoxicy: google, and also look at the wifihowto wiki
[02:16] <bluefoxicy> dabaR:  get it so I can click on netapplet and have the "Wireless networks" menu entry ungrayed and I'll be happy.
[02:16] <bluefoxicy> dabaR: it says works out of the box for network install.s
[02:16] <holycow> download the 1.7.5 or greater .deb file, dpkg -i mozilla-browser.whatever.deb and then install galeon
[02:16] <bluefoxicy> and for an installed system.
[02:16] <holycow> thats all its asking for
[02:16] <dabaR> bluefoxicy: I wont get it anything, sorry, I dont use wireless in linux yet(iBook G4...)\
[02:16] <holycow> #
[02:16] <holycow> he packages to follow have not satisfied dependences:
[02:16] <holycow> #
[02:16] <holycow>   galeon: It depends: to mozilla-browser (> = 2:1.7.5) but do not go to be installed
[02:16] <holycow> #
[02:16] <holycow> E: Packages with problems
[02:17] <holycow> oops, sorry, meant that in one line
[02:17] <bluefoxicy> dabaR:  kay.
[02:17] <signbarn> I finally figured out what happened to break my smeg when I installed Netbeans.
[02:17] <pluffsy> hello
[02:17] <holycow> apt-cache search mozilla-browser in your terminal, and tell us what version you have available
[02:17] <pluffsy> what sites do you visit to get news and info about ubuntu, free software, etc?
[02:17] <zukalk> holycow, i can't install mozilla-browser
[02:17] <holycow> but thats all you gotta do, find that moz package, install it and galeon will be happy
[02:17] <holycow> why?
[02:17] <signbarn> the .desktop file that netbeans put into /usr/share didn't give read access to smeg (different user -- root or something) and smeg couldn't load because of it.
[02:18] <AMCDeathKnight> Im having trouble; firefox is not opening
[02:18] <AMCDeathKnight> and i cant upgradde to the new version
[02:18] <zukalk> gave me an error about nspr4 or whatever it was
[02:18] <zukalk> holycow
[02:19] <dabaR> AMCDeathKnight: removed reinstalled yet?
[02:19] <AMCDeathKnight> How can i remove it
[02:19] <holycow> zukalk, then you need to track that down
[02:19] <holycow> and fix it
[02:19] <Adross> dabaR: didn't work, thanks for the help anyway
[02:19] <holycow> i bet its because you installed something from backports
[02:19] <AMCDeathKnight> it was
[02:19] <zukalk> holycow, turns out it was a ubp too. i forced the version to hoary-security, gonna try to install mozilla-browser now
[02:19] <AMCDeathKnight> lol
[02:19] <holycow> that upgraded something moz needs and now it wont install
[02:19] <dabaR> sudo aptitude remove mozilla-firefox
[02:19] <holycow> galeon simply requires moz, thats it
[02:19] <dabaR> sudo aptitude install mozilla-firefox
[02:20] <AMCDeathKnight> thanks
[02:20] <AMCDeathKnight> what does thatd o
[02:20] <dabaR> remove and install mozilla-firefox.
[02:20] <AMCDeathKnight> arh
[02:20] <AMCDeathKnight> kewl
[02:20] <thingfish> I wonder why ubuntu uses sudo instead of just su - .
[02:20] <zukalk> hmrocha, wait, mozilla-browser was successfully installed :)
[02:20] <dabaR> thingfish, there is wiki.ubuntu.com/rootsudo if you wanna read
[02:20] <thoreauputic> !rootsudo
[02:20] <ubotu> somebody said rootsudo was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:20] <VeloxS> Hello, I'm having problems with installing WINE on Ubuntu...makedep problems apparently. I've posted the error here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/735
[02:21] <LinuxJones> thingfish, it gives you more fine grain control
[02:21] <holycow> because you dont want to forget to exit out of the su account?
[02:21] <zukalk> hm*, damn autocompletion
[02:21] <thingfish> hey thank you, dabaR
[02:21] <AMCDeathKnight> still doesnt work
[02:21] <AMCDeathKnight> its says no packages were installed
[02:21] <bob2> VeloxS: you know wine is in ubuntu, relady?
[02:21] <VeloxS> Is it?
[02:21] <bob2> yes
[02:21] <zukalk> wait.. it's downloading galeon... !
[02:21] <thingfish> and thank you too, LinuxJones.
[02:21] <zukalk> Preconfiguring!
[02:21] <zukalk> DONE !
[02:21] <AMCDeathKnight> So.. help?
[02:22] <vinboy> is evolution better than thunderbird for emailing?
[02:22] <LinuxJones> thingfish, it only takes a few days to get used to :)
[02:22] <thingfish> well, dabaR, that link just says that the page does not exist yet.
[02:22] <holycow> vinboy, depends on your definition of better
[02:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hey wheres ubuntu offtopic?
[02:22] <AMCDeathKnight> firefox still wont load
[02:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> !off topic
[02:22] <ubotu> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Bugger all, i dunno
[02:22] <zukalk> wow! it's actually WORKING !
[02:22] <hmrocha> zukalk, i guess that wasn't for me :)
[02:22] <holycow> evolution basically copies outlook and for example outlook just dumps everything to one folder
[02:22] <hmrocha> zukalk, no problem
[02:22] <holycow> thats bad if you want to track multiple accounts simultaneously
[02:22] <zukalk> hmrocha, blame xchat ;)
[02:22] <holycow> but it has its good points, its fast
[02:23] <robert_pectol> AMCDeathKnight:   Why not just download the firefox installer from their site and manually install it?
[02:23] <AMCDeathKnight> i cant
[02:23] <zukalk> holycow, thanks, you made me see the light
[02:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know where ubuntu off topic is? like the channel name?
[02:23] <holycow> any time
[02:23] <holycow> >_>
[02:23] <AMCDeathKnight> i dont know how and all i have is firefox (which doesnt work) and the lynx broswer
[02:23] <holycow> AMCDeathKnight, install galeon as an alternative
[02:23] <holycow> ff is having problems currently
[02:24] <AMCDeathKnight> galeon ok; never heard of it before
[02:24] <holycow> its a gnomified mozilla/ffox type browser
[02:24] <holycow> apt-cache search galeon
[02:24] <holycow> its the offical gnome browser infact
[02:24] <thoreauputic> !info galeon
[02:24] <VeloxS> bob2: How do I access it then?
[02:24] <ubotu> galeon: (GNOME web browser for advanced users), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 1.3.20-1ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 671 kB, Installed size: 1560 kB
[02:24] <nicoal> do the linux-wlan modules have to be compiled, or are there pre-made packages ?
[02:24] <IIIEars> AMCDeathKnight, - If you have a fresh install deselect it from the updates. Oops! already installed? - Doh! me too.
[02:25] <bob2> VeloxS: same way you install any other packages
[02:25] <AMCDeathKnight> lol
[02:25] <bob2> nicoal: they're already included with the default ubuntu kernel
[02:25] <AMCDeathKnight> yeh already installed
[02:25] <bob2> VeloxS: they're in universe
[02:25] <AMCDeathKnight> i have tried
[02:25] <nicoal> bob2, prism2_pci?
[02:25] <AMCDeathKnight> and done aptitude thing
[02:25] <D1> if only galeon depended on firefox instead of mozilla...
[02:26] <AMCDeathKnight> so; whats the command to install galoeon?
[02:26] <bob2> nicoal: don't you use orinoco for that?
[02:26] <IIIEars> is it the mozilla engine or FireFox?
[02:26] <thoreauputic> AMCDeathKnight: sudo aptitude install galeon
[02:26] <holycow> both are the same infact
[02:26] <nicoal> bob2, I get a buncha junk in syslog using orinoco/hermes
[02:26] <Octane> is there no inotify module for ubuntu?
[02:26] <bluefoxicy> mh
[02:26] <bluefoxicy> meh
[02:26] <AMCDeathKnight> thjanks
[02:26] <bluefoxicy> all the wireless stuff I see is general
[02:26] <holycow> all moz based apps use the gecko rendering engine
[02:26] <bluefoxicy> I'm not THAT far yet
[02:26] <IIIEars> Will installing another mozilla based browser fix the problem?
[02:26] <bob2> Octane: it's buggy
[02:26] <bob2> Octane: just wait for it to hit the mainline
[02:26] <Octane> bob2: i dont even see it in amd64 packages
[02:26] <holycow> no, it will let you use another browser until it is fixed
[02:26] <bluefoxicy> they all start assuming i know HTF to get the card workin!
[02:27] <IIIEars> Ah - "Gecko" okay.
[02:27] <bob2> Octane: yes, it's buggy
[02:27] <holycow> you can import your bookmarks into galeon, then export them out again when you like
[02:27] <bob2> hence it was disabled
[02:27] <AMCDeathKnight> "galeon: Depends: mozilla-browser (>= 2:1.7.5) but it is not installable
[02:27] <AMCDeathKnight> "
[02:27] <AMCDeathKnight> is not working
[02:27] <Octane> bob2: k thanks
[02:27] <zukalk> AMCDeathKnight, i've just had that problem
[02:27] <AMCDeathKnight> oh
[02:27] <VeloxS> Universe?
[02:27] <robert_pectol> AMCDeathKnight:   do a, "wget http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-1.0.6&os=linux&lang=en-US" to get firefox from their site.
[02:27] <IIIEars> sheesh - lynx is dull - lol
[02:27] <AMCDeathKnight> hwo did you fix it
[02:27] <zukalk> use Synaptic and see what's wrong with mozilla-browser
[02:27] <vinboy> how do I edit the menu when I right click on the taskbar?
[02:28] <holycow> AMCDeathKnight, yes,, you need to track down that version of mozilla and install it because galeon requires it
[02:28] <bluefoxicy> girx
[02:28] <bluefoxicy> i have to go
[02:28] <darkmatter> IIIEars, why's it dull?
[02:28] <AMCDeathKnight> yay im getting the new version of firegfox from website
[02:28] <AMCDeathKnight> hopefull it works
[02:28] <IIIEars> all text no graphics
[02:28] <holycow> IIIEars, frankly, i'm starting to like lynx :) just for that reason!
[02:28] <darkmatter> but text is fun ;)
[02:29] <holycow> yes, its actually USEFULL information :)
[02:29] <holycow> hehe
[02:29] <AMCDeathKnight> i use lynx for checking my website to see whether it is easy to read and navigate in text
[02:29] <cut0ff> vinboy have you look in the wiki?
[02:29] <dabaR> holycow, you are a tru masochist:)
[02:29] <bluefoxicy> damnit, and cardctl ident 0 always says no product info
[02:29] <holycow> dabaR, well only on weekends >_>
[02:29] <bluefoxicy> what the fuck does that mean
[02:29] <bluefoxicy> that it can't find the card?
[02:29] <bluefoxicy> does it even know I have PCMCIA?
[02:29] <robert_pectol> AMCDeathKnight:   once you get it, run the self-extracting binary and it will create a firefox installation directory, then just run the installer script.
[02:29] <AMCDeathKnight> installer script.. where is that?
[02:30] <IIIEars> robert_pectol, - gotta wonder if installing the FF browser from their site won't create problems later with the Ubuntu FF vers... - (shrug) dunno but guess it is worth a shot.
[02:30] <dabaR> isnide the installation directody you will get
[02:30] <catolh> How is webcam support in ubuntu? Webcam's within Instant messagers.. like MSN clones..
[02:30] <signbarn> what's the command to remove a directory? i get an error when i use "rm" on a directory
[02:30] <D1> rm -r
[02:30] <catolh> signbarn, rm -rf
[02:30] <catolh> or that
[02:30] <cut0ff> rmdir
[02:30] <dabaR> signbarn: rmdir
[02:30] <robert_pectol> AMCDeathKnight:   you have to run the self-extracting binary that you're downloading and it will create an install dir.
[02:30] <signbarn> thanks :-)
[02:30] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[02:30] <dabaR> rmdir only removes empty dirs
[02:30] <cut0ff> or rm -rf
[02:31] <holycow> catolh, all the linuxes are the same, if it works in one, it can be made to work in all
[02:31] <robert_pectol> IIIEars:   Yeah... guess we'll see! :-)
[02:31] <signbarn> 'much obliged
[02:31] <dabaR> rm -r is recursive rm, removes everything under and including that folder.
[02:31] <holycow> however what you might be trying to say, is it automagically preconfigured for you?
[02:31] <AMCDeathKnight> its finishing off download..
[02:32] <catolh> holycow, yeah figured that much. But is there any instant messagers out there for linux with webcam support?
[02:32] <AMCDeathKnight> Couldn't display "/home/luke/Firefox Setup 1.0.6.exe"
[02:32] <holycow> catolh, gnome meeting?
[02:32] <holycow> never used it tho
[02:33] <dabaR> many webcams dont work.
[02:33] <AMCDeathKnight> thats  bad isnt it
[02:33] <holycow> *nod* big driver issues
[02:33] <robert_pectol> AMCDeathKnight:   go to the command prompt and execute the file...
[02:33] <catolh> does gnome meeting work like msn messenger or netmeeting?
[02:34] <nicoal> catolh, gaim-vv, gnomemeeting?
[02:34] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[02:34] <AMCDeathKnight> whats the command to execute? im new to linux
[02:34] <D1> execute what?
[02:34] <AMCDeathKnight> an exe
[02:34] <D1> you just type the program name in the termnial
[02:34] <dabaR> is there a .exe in your folder?
[02:34] <robert_pectol> AMCDeathKnight:   oh, and make sure it's attributes are set for executable...
[02:34] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[02:35] <elmagozizou> Hi.. Does anyone knows How to get information of the partitions on a Hard Drive from the GRUB command line?
[02:35] <bluefoxicy> ok now that I got that out of the way
[02:35] <Afroman> hi guys
[02:35] <Afroman> question, what is wardriving??? what about warlinux
[02:35] <robert_pectol> AMCDeathKnight:   "chmod 755 Firefox\ Setup\ 1.0.6.exe"
[02:35] <D1> its like hunting for wireless APs
[02:35] <bluefoxicy> If this thing says "CardBus bridge:  Texas Instruments:  Unknown device ac54 (rev 01)" does that mean I don't have PCMCIA?
[02:35] <D1> while driving
[02:35] <D1> and lame stuff like that.
[02:36] <AMCDeathKnight> command not found when i tried to run it
[02:36] <robert_pectol> AMCDeathKnight:   then just do, "./Firefox\ Setup\ 1.0.6.exe"
[02:36] <D1> run what?
[02:36] <AMCDeathKnight> bash: Firefox Setup 1.0.6.exe: command not found
[02:36] <bluefoxicy> AMCDeathKnight:  what exactly are you trying to do
[02:36] <grimster> is anyone here good wih SATA?
[02:36] <robert_pectol> AMCDeathKnight:   are you in the directory to which you downloaded the file?
[02:36] <catolh> gnome meeting just crashed tho.. :s
[02:36] <othernoob> robert_pectol: are you new to linux?
[02:36] <AMCDeathKnight> Yes
[02:37] <bluefoxicy> AMCDeathKnight:  i'm pretty sure whatever you're trying to do isn't going to wokr.
[02:37] <AMCDeathKnight> i c
[02:37] <robert_pectol> AMCDeathKnight:   it worked great here...
[02:37] <AMCDeathKnight> hmm
[02:37] <IIIEars> robert_pectol, - erm - i need a wget tip your link earned me the *.exe vers. -  grep liux to the link?
[02:37] <mike_> does ati mach64 support 3d in ubuntu?
[02:38] <robert_pectol> IIIEars:   it will still work... ignore the file extension!
[02:38] <mike_> with xorg that is
[02:38] <darkmatter> ACMDeathKnight, do you have wine installed. You need it if you want to execute an exe
[02:38] <AMCDeathKnight> hmm no idea, i think so
[02:38] <AMCDeathKnight> i'll check with synaptic
[02:38] <thoreauputic> NEWS FLASH: Linux does not use *.exe
[02:38] <IIIEars> erm but it says mozilla/blah/win32/...
[02:39] <AMCDeathKnight> libwine?
[02:39] <othernoob> thoreauputic: and it never will ;)
[02:39] <darkmatter> then you should be able to rightr click (if you have wine) and select 'Open with Wine'
[02:39] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, :D
[02:39] <thoreauputic> othernoob: thank goodness ;)
[02:39] <othernoob> ffs, AMCDeathKnight just get the LINUX VERSION of firefox
[02:39] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - grep tip #101  what was wrong with this link? (scratches head)  wget http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-1.0.6&os=linux&lang=en-US
[02:39] <robert_pectol> my bad... for some reason, the link grabbed the wrong version!  It should be a tar.gz...
[02:40] <AMCDeathKnight> that is i think the linux verison
[02:40] <Afroman> question, what is wardriving??? what about warlinux
[02:40] <othernoob> AMCDeathKnight: hardly unlikely if it is an exe
[02:40] <AMCDeathKnight> oh
[02:40] <bluefoxicy> how about not messing with the installed base since ubuntu didn't use autopackage to install firefox in the first place
[02:40] <darkmatter> libwine, wine, wine-utils, winetools
[02:41] <IIIEars> nvm
[02:41] <robert_pectol> AMCDeathKnight:   let me try to get you a better url from which to download..
[02:41] <AMCDeathKnight> thanks you robert
[02:41] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: nothing afaics
[02:41] <dabaR> Afroman: wardriving is going around stealing wireless signal
[02:41] <dabaR> try google, Afroman .
[02:41] <dabaR> or wikipedia
[02:41] <jcapote> i wouldnt say stealing
[02:41] <bluefoxicy> try wiki-- heh.
[02:41] <darkmatter> but I agree with thoreauputic, use the linux version
[02:41] <jcapote> you dont "steal" radio stations from the air
[02:41] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: it seems to point at the tar.gz installer for linux...
[02:41] <IIIEars> goggle is a new users best friend - rofl - my google button has been worn shiny from over use.
[02:42] <holycow> IIIEars, ehe
[02:42] <holycow> that sounds like a neat mozilla extension
[02:42] <catolh> think i can use msn messenger with wine?.. :)
[02:42] <robotgeek> qt2, u there?
[02:42] <holycow> one that 'wears out' linkage on a page depending on clickage
[02:42] <holycow> :)
[02:43] <jcapote> they have something like that already, i thin its called a link cloud
[02:43] <darkmatter> holycow, which extension is that
[02:43] <IIIEars> ubotu tell me about google?
[02:43] <AMCDeathKnight> lol
[02:43] <jcapote> where links get bigger depending on how popular they are
[02:43] <thoreauputic> catolh: why bother ? amsn or gaim work fine
[02:43] <holycow> darkmatter, i meant to say 'that might be a cool extension to make'
[02:43] <catolh> yeah, but msn messenger has webcam support..
[02:43] <zukalk> thoreauputic, and they're not evil M$
[02:43] <catolh> i bet i cant get it to work anyway without the drivers though
[02:43] <zukalk> catolh, wait for gaim's webcam plugin
[02:43] <darkmatter> caltolh, gaim supports msn
[02:43] <cut0ff> catolh too
[02:43] <jcapote> gnomemeeting?
[02:44] <cut0ff> catolh Gaim too
[02:44] <aru_> !mp3
[02:44] <jcapote> every windows box has netmeeting
[02:44] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[02:44] <dabaR> jcapote: I mean....um...its a little different, and dependent on law in a particular countrry, not people's opinion.
[02:44] <darkmatter> holycow, ah...I see
[02:44] <catolh> gnomemeeting didnt find my webcam
[02:44] <b-rad> Evening all :)
[02:44] <AMCDeathKnight> hi
[02:44] <darkmatter> Hi, b-rad
[02:44] <alexluna> hi, how i can install w32codecs
[02:44] <b-rad> anyone running the testing version of ubuntu?
[02:45] <IIIEars> gaim and webcams - hrm. - "lonely sexy asian hot chick finding love with a cumquat. CLICK THIS LINK.) - lol
[02:45] <dabaR> alexluna: they are in backports
[02:45] <darkmatter> alexluna, sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[02:45] <dabaR> alexluna: backports.ubuntuforums.org more specifically.
[02:45] <robert_pectol> AMCDeathKnight:   ok... sorry for the bum steer : )   There is a redir for the link on their site and for some reason when wget trys to fetch it, it ends up grabbing the win32 version!
[02:45] <alexluna> thannks
[02:45] <AMCDeathKnight> oh ok
[02:45] <cut0ff> alexluna   have you added 'backports' to your sources.list?
[02:46] <AMCDeathKnight> is there away to fix it thou?
[02:46] <robert_pectol> AMCDeathKnight:   but this will get you the linux version: "wget http://205.188.221.241/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.0.6/linux-i686/en-US/firefox-1.0.6.installer.tar.gz"
[02:46] <b-rad> this might be a question for ubuntu-devel perhaps, but I can't seem to boot without using recovery mode using breezy
[02:46] <alexluna> no
[02:46] <othernoob> robert_pectol: and you never noticed that when he said he had an .exe?
[02:46] <alexluna> i will
[02:46] <AMCDeathKnight> thanks robert!
[02:46] <IIIEars> robert_pectol, terriffic. -Thank You.
[02:47] <AMCDeathKnight> i just have to wait 3 miniutes till wine stops downloading lol
[02:47] <othernoob> whatever happened to using a browser to get something....
[02:48] <dabaR> alexluna: remove them after you get w32codecs
[02:48] <AMCDeathKnight> xmms is good
[02:48] <IIIEars> AMCDeathKnight, - let me know if you have any luck with files from XP. - noobs want to know - grin
[02:49] <darkmatter> AMCDeathKnight, you can also add deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports-staging main universe multiverse restricted to sources.list for the firefox 1.0.6 package
[02:49] <cut0ff> AMCDeathKnight BMP is better though
[02:49] <AMCDeathKnight> lol
[02:49] <darkmatter> then sudo apt-get update
[02:49] <AMCDeathKnight> i dont trust backports anymore, thats the thng that gave me this error
[02:49] <darkmatter> install firefox using apt get or synaptic
[02:50] <IIIEars> AMCDeathKnight, - don't forget to add the keys for those repos. no?
[02:50] <darkmatter> then comment out the staging repository
[02:50] <darkmatter> and sudo apt-get update again
[02:51] <dabaR> 19:46 < Afroman> ok
[02:51] <dabaR> 19:47 -!- Bubbling_Zombie [~zombie@dD577A0CC.access.telenet.be]  has quit [Remote closed the connection] 
[02:51] <dabaR> 19:47 < Afroman> cddesjar, and wardriving is the applications used in warlinux for wireless purposses...
[02:51] <dabaR> 19:47 < Afroman> cddesjar, is that correct???
[02:51] <bob2> so, yeah, backports-staging is the repository that made machines unbootable
[02:51] <dabaR> 19:48 -!- linuxfreck [~freck@p5492AD78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de]  has quit [Remote closed the connection] 
[02:51] <dabaR> 19:48 < cddesjar> kind of...wardriving is the actual process of driving around looking for networks, while warlinux could be
[02:51] <bob2> I'd avoid it entirely
[02:51] <AMCDeathKnight> what about donwloading the tar file that robert got?
[02:51] <dabaR>                   thought of as the tool to be used to find these networks...it must have some special applications that are
[02:51] <darkmatter> AMCDeathKnight, xmms is UGLY. Use BMP, its the same thing but with a pretty gtk+ interface
[02:52] <jcapote> i miss amarok
[02:52] <bob2> er
[02:52] <bob2> xmms and BMP look identical
[02:52] <bob2> except that BMP has gtk2 menus
[02:52] <IIIEars> AMCDeathKnight, - Using the straigh code from FF can/might create incompatibolities for us later. (ubuntu uses it's own slightly different "flavor".
[02:52] <robotgeek> !info BMP
[02:53] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[02:53] <dabaR> hey sorry about that.
[02:53] <b-rad> hmmm  I gotta get this thing figured out heh.  all I wanted to do was help and run the testing version of ubuntu heh
[02:53] <dabaR> damn irssi
[02:53] <darkmatter> bob2, I meant the menus and preferences
[02:53] <AMCDeathKnight> so please walkthrough me to add the backport and apt-get
[02:53] <AMCDeathKnight> this is getting ocnfusing
[02:53] <AMCDeathKnight> *confusing
[02:53] <jcapote> so theyre both winamp 2.8 knockoffs
[02:53] <bob2> b-rad: it's highly broken at the moment, I wouldn't bother unless you're already highly skilled with ubuntu
[02:53] <bob2> jcapote: visually, yes
[02:53] <robert_pectol> AMCDeathKnight:   did the file download ok?
[02:54] <robotgeek> what's the package name for bmp?
[02:54] <bob2> which isn't bad, since winamp 2.8 is one of the less horrible designed players around
[02:54] <bob2> robotgeek: beep-media-player
[02:54] <AMCDeathKnight> some people are saying not to download it, imn confused
[02:54] <b-rad> bob2: heh, yeah I'm finding that out now.  I can only boot in recovery mode at the moment
[02:54] <darkmatter> beep-media-player
[02:54] <robotgeek> :)
[02:54] <IIIEars> AMCDeathKnight, - synaptic is the easiest grphical way to add repos just preced the link with deb http://somelink
[02:54] <darkmatter> robertgeek, also get bmp-skins
[02:54] <razerslut> does ubuntu coe with a cd burner? and if not how can i install one
[02:54] <razerslut> ?
[02:55] <bob2> AMCDeathKnight: why do you want to use backports at all?
[02:55] <robotgeek> from?
[02:55] <robotgeek> okay..i'll google!
[02:55] <IIIEars> or deb-src http://somelink
[02:55] <bob2> razerslut: sure, the file manager can burn cds
[02:55] <darkmatter> synaptic
[02:55] <razerslut> audio cd's?
[02:55] <bob2> razerslut: nope
[02:55] <robert_pectol> AMCDeathKnight:   I haven't had any problems with it thus far... If I do in the future, I'll simply remove it from my system and then apt-get the updated "official" one.
[02:55] <razerslut> ausio cd's, i should have specified
[02:55] <razerslut> that is awesome though
[02:55] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[02:55] <IIIEars> bob2 - has it right - likely to vreate a muddled upgrade path even if you new app works right now.
[02:55] <bob2> razerslut: I hear people use k3b or graveman for that
[02:55] <b-rad> best bet for audio CDs is either GnomeBaker or K3B.  Personally, I like K3B
[02:56] <darkmatter> razorslut, gnomebaker, graveman! or sepentine can be installed. those are the best gtk+ apps for burning CD's
[02:56] <razerslut> graveman sounds fine
[02:56] <IIIEars> k3b tip "joliet" is more compatible with windows
[02:56] <darkmatter> or the command line :0
[02:57] <giant> does anyone know of a way I can use my linux box to remotely scan my Windows box for adware?
[02:57] <darkmatter> *:)
[02:57] <giant> the windows box will become so infected that scanning is severly hindered
[02:57] <b-rad> hmmm  anyone know if it's possible to downgrade from testing? heheh
[02:57] <bob2> giant: I doubt it
[02:57] <bob2> b-rad: no, it's not
[02:57] <IIIEars> giant - openssh - will run commands on another machine. - thats about all i know
[02:58] <darkmatter> b-rad, beak something? ;)
[02:58] <darkmatter> *break
[02:58] <bob2> not without a skilled ubuntu/debian developer and a case of good beer, anyway
[02:58] <IIIEars> hehe
[02:58] <giant> darn.. I was hopeing something that I can use to scan its files with my computer
[02:58] <b-rad> darkmatter: yeah, I can only boot in recovery mode at the moment with breezy
[02:58] <b-rad> it stops if I try a normal boot
[02:58] <giant> it would take awhile but I'm sure it would be a better way to do it.
[02:58] <b-rad> I'm pretty skilled at linux... but not sure why it's hanging up
[02:58] <darkmatter> b-rad, that's why i reinstalled hoary, lol
[02:59] <b-rad> darkmatter: heh, it looks like I'm heading in that direction now too
[02:59] <IIIEars> giant - psst - there are some live cds out there designed to do that even bart's pe builder.  (shh - don't tell anyone i didn't say ubuntu.)
[02:59] <robert_pectol> AMCDeathKnight:   if you do decide to try it, you can do a, "tar -zxvf firefox-1.0.6.installer.tar.gz" and it will create the install directory in which you will find the installer script...  anyway, good luck with it!
[02:59] <b-rad> I've got network connectivity, so a couple of quick copies will fix me up heh
[03:00] <catolh> whats a good theme for gnome?
[03:00] <AMCDeathKnight> thanks
[03:00] <robert_pectol> np : )
[03:01] <IIIEars> Seveas - Welcome Back.
[03:02] <AMCDeathKnight> wb
[03:02] <dabaR> [19:39] CWC-DanB[66298] 6178891841
[03:02] <dabaR> man
[03:02] <jcapote> wow awesome, gnome hotkey manager picked up all my special keys without the .xmodmap hack i had to use
[03:02] <jcapote> on suse 9.3
[03:02] <elmagozizou> text mode in ubuntu is level....? (is a question)
[03:03] <bob2> it's not a level
[03:03] <bob2> this isn't redhat
[03:03] <elmagozizou> I want to start in text mode...
[03:03] <darkmatter> Suse9.3? eek! that's so slow.
[03:03] <elmagozizou> yeah that why im asking..in only do that in fedora
[03:03] <bob2> then make a runlevel that doesn't start gdm
[03:03] <jcapote> yea
[03:03] <jcapote> i love the speed of ubuntu
[03:03] <bob2> perhaps 3 is a good choice
[03:04] <jcapote> i just need to restore all the functionality it had in suse 9.3
[03:04] <jcapote> which is only a few things
[03:04] <darkmatter> boots faster than xp on my box
[03:04] <IIIEars> catolh - i just gave g5-ish a try pretty nice - (big sucker for sim glass bubble controls)  - add the theme by physically copying it to the theme folder some type of mismatched file structuring.
[03:04] <elmagozizou> How do i start in text mode?
[03:04] <Une-ga-dihi> anyone know how to set the default media player in gnome?
[03:04] <jcapote> yea but zetaos boots in 15 seconds
[03:04] <bob2> elmagozizou: you make a runlevel that doesn't start gdm
[03:04] <bob2> elmagozizou: e.g. sudo rm /etc/rc3.d/S*gdm
[03:05] <IIIEars> catolh - erm - it works in gnome. Are you using gnome?
[03:05] <chaps0063> what is the command used to rescan for hardware, I booted up without my dvd drive in, how do i rescan for it?
[03:05] <elmagozizou> bob2, but can I do that in the inittab?
[03:05] <robotgeek> elmagozizou, better way is update.rc.d gdm remove
[03:05] <catolh> IIIEars, yep.. using gnome
[03:05] <bob2> elmagozizou: no, it has nothing to do with inittab
[03:05] <robotgeek> elmagozizou, better way is update-rc.d gdm remove
[03:05] <bob2> redhat using inittab to start xdm is dumb
[03:05] <rob^> chaps0063, reboot
[03:05] <b-rad> back in a bit... I hope
[03:05] <rob^> the bios needs to pick it up
[03:06] <chaps0063> rob^: ok then.
[03:06] <elmagozizou> bob2, robotgeek ,any documentation about that? where?
[03:06] <bob2> elmagozizou: run the command I gave you
[03:06] <bob2> then run level 3 will not start gdm
[03:06] <IIIEars> Chaps, - interesting question.
[03:06] <robotgeek> yah...he seems to know more abt that than I do :)
[03:07] <razerslut> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[03:07] <catolh> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=26757 , tried this theme.. but it looks nothing like the one on the screen
[03:07] <razerslut> what does this mean when trying to ./configure graveman?
[03:07] <elmagozizou> bob2, and how i change it back?
[03:07] <bob2> razerslut: graveman is in ubuntu already...
[03:07] <razerslut> oh
[03:07] <razerslut> ok
[03:07] <razerslut> where is it?
[03:07] <bob2> elmagozizou: why would you change it back?  just boot into 2 if you want gdm
[03:07] <darkmatter> jcapote, QNX boots in 10:)
[03:08] <bob2> razerslut: in the graveman package...
[03:08] <jcapote> wow
[03:08] <IIIEars> catolh -yeah - what was the author thinking. - lol
[03:08] <jcapote> im dying to try an RT os
[03:08] <bob2> elmagozizou: sudo update-rc.d gdm defaults
[03:08] <darkmatter> it has built in gl, but on the downside no gui for burning crap
[03:09] <elmagozizou> bob2, this command "update-rc.d gdm defaults" to change it back?
[03:09] <jcapote> but i hear it sucks at regular desktop use
[03:09] <bob2> elmagozizou: yes, but there won't be a need to
[03:09] <IIIEars> bob2 - did you see chaps003 question how do you scan for newly added DVD drives/hardware?
[03:09] <darkmatter> yep, it does suck as a regular desktop. no burning apps
[03:09] <elmagozizou> bob2, why do you say that?
[03:09] <robotgeek> elmagozizou, true
[03:09] <jze> How do I change the permissions of floppy?
[03:10] <bob2> elmagozizou: why would you change it back?
[03:10] <darkmatter> but it's so damn fast
[03:10] <bob2> IIIEars: I don't see a chaps003 in here
[03:10] <elmagozizou> bob2, because Ive dont have the comand line domine jet
[03:11] <bob2> I don't know what that means
[03:11] <darkmatter> damn, now I miss QNX so much I'm going to have to triple boot;)
[03:11] <jcapote> darkmatter: what did you use it for
[03:11] <bob2> but the change I suggested means X will still start by default
[03:11] <bob2> if you dont want it to start, you pass a boot option
[03:11] <bob2> elmagozizou: also, why don't you want X to start?
[03:11] <jze> How do I change the permissions of floppy??
[03:11] <bob2> please don't tell me it's to install nvidia drivers
[03:11] <IIIEars> bob2 - okay -nvm - dunno how you do it. already handling three questions at once. (impressed.)
[03:12] <bob2> IIIEars: I mean "there's no one called that in here"
[03:12] <elmagozizou> bob2, to create habbit
[03:12] <darkmatter> jcapote, just to try, really. it is really nice.
[03:13] <darkmatter> if i had the time, i'd try to build gnomebaker on it. then it would be a decent desktop.
[03:14] <Super_BQ> hi again!
[03:14] <AMCDeathKnight> hi
[03:14] <Super_BQ> i'm 1 step closer to keeping Ubuntu
[03:14] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[03:14] <Super_BQ> but I want to find a program if it exists
[03:15] <Super_BQ> is there a program that will automatically email me the new IP address as soon as my ISP changes it ?
[03:15] <bob2> you don't need a program for that
[03:15] <Super_BQ> as being connected by DHCP, there's no telling when my ISP will change my IP
[03:15] <shanon> Does anyone know what repos I need to use to get flashplayer-mozilla and sunj2re-1.5? the backports don't seem to have them /.
[03:15] <Super_BQ> bob2: no? how can I configure because I will be connecting to my box overseas and will need a current IP of it
[03:17] <rob^> Super_BQ, use dyndns
[03:17] <Super_BQ> hrm. i've discovered python
[03:17] <bob2> a) just get a static ip b) put a shell script in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/ called "mailip" that contains "echo $new_ip_address | mutt -s'New IP'"
[03:17] <LinuxJones> Super_BQ, or you can write a bash script to do that for you
[03:17] <rob^> then you can have a host name that automatically is assigned the new ip once you set it up
[03:18] <bob2> yeah, or that
[03:18] <darkmatter> Super_BQ, just set your network to automatically assign IP through DHCP
[03:18] <darkmatter> Supr_BQ, Python is awesomw:)
[03:18] <darkmatter> *awesome
[03:18] <Super_BQ> darksatanic: it's not the automatically assign by DHCP. it's the fact that I need that IP to be sent to me (ie. email) when my ISP changes it
[03:18] <IIIEars> super_BQ - using a dynamic dns update service  - grab a free acct and install a ping/update tool - likely a few will be recommended on their site
[03:18] <catolh> how do i install a theme engine+
[03:18] <catolh> ?*
[03:19] <robert_pectol> Super_BQ:   you could set up a cron job to do something similar to, "/sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | cut -d ':' -f2 | cut -d ' ' -f1 | sed 's/^[ \t] *//;s/[ \t] *$//'" to get your current IP address.  Then just have the script e-mail it to your address...
[03:19] <darkmatter> catolh, what engine are you trying to install? It may already be in the repos.
[03:20] <Super_BQ> whoa..
[03:20] <Super_BQ> robert_pectol: gee that looks heavy duty
[03:20] <robert_pectol> Super_BQ:   you could have a little textfile to which your current IP is written and if the script sees that it changes, it could e-mail you!
[03:20] <IIIEars> robert_pectol - elegant solution with tools already in place. - nice
[03:21] <robert_pectol> That would actually be a very simple script!
[03:21] <darkmatter> robert_pectol, nice plumbing:)
[03:21] <bob2> that solution is kinda crap
[03:21] <Super_BQ> but.. i'm not a programmer so scripting would be hard for me
[03:21] <rob^> Super_BQ, see this: http://www.dyndns.org/about/home_solutions.html
[03:21] <bob2> hook it into dhclient
[03:21] <robert_pectol> darkmatter:   yup!
[03:21] <catolh> darkmatter, http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=19527   this one
[03:21] <robotgeek> look into /etc/ifup in the post ifup section :)
[03:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> you could make it pop up a terminal too
[03:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that way it would tell you too
[03:21] <catolh> tried the cmd that is in the description but it didnt work
[03:22] <LinuxJones> bob2, the same end result, just a different way of doing it
[03:22] <Super_BQ> bob2: does this dynDNS service cost $ ?
[03:22] <robotgeek> :)
[03:22] <rob^> no,
[03:22] <bob2> Super_BQ: no
[03:22] <rob^> there is a free service
[03:22] <bob2> LinuxJones: and it emails you every n minutes, instead of when it changes
[03:23] <IIIEars> anyone feel the power and flexibility of linux there for a moment. (hears angels singing and experiences an epiphany. - thank god we aren't tied to M$)
[03:23] <LinuxJones> bob2, well if you set the script to only mail when the IP address changes it doesn't
[03:23] <bob2> sure
[03:23] <BigOZ> uhh
[03:23] <BigOZ> Hi
[03:23] <bob2> but you still need to poll, instead of having dhclient tell you when it's done
[03:24] <LinuxJones> bob2, true
[03:24] <catolh> does anyone know how to install the clearlooks engine?
[03:24] <Super_BQ> poll like a USB port does (:
[03:24] <darkmatter> catolh, its in staging. add "deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports-staging main universe multiverse restricted" (without quotes" to /etc/apt/sources.list and run sudo apt-get update
[03:24] <catolh> ah
[03:24] <bob2> er
[03:24] <bob2> no
[03:24] <IIIEars> erm - please don't take that line too seriously. - joke that was a J-O-K-E.
[03:24] <bob2> it's in ubuntu main
[03:24] <ccc> anyone using the "ontv" applet and has the hoary .deb laying around?
[03:24] <darkmatter> then install it through synaptic. search clearlooks
[03:25] <bob2> please don't point people at ubuntu staging for no reason
[03:25] <ccc> the official website is down
[03:25] <BigOZ> oI
[03:25] <darkmatter> bob_2, sorry
[03:25] <lordyves> using synaptic, i cannnot seem to find AV  software
[03:25] <bob2> it'd be better if you didn't point them at all
[03:25] <bob2> since they're even less tested than the normal backports
[03:25] <BigOZ> Is it possible to configure my SBC Yahoo DSL wireless connection to Ubuntu?
[03:25] <bob2> catolh: just install the  gtk2-engines-clearlooks package
[03:25] <bob2> "DSL" is not wireless
[03:25] <catolh> thanks bob2
[03:25] <darkmatter> lordyves, clamav or f-prot
[03:26] <BigOZ> Meh
[03:26] <bob2> lordyves: you don't need anti virus software for linux
[03:26] <BigOZ> well
[03:26] <BigOZ> still
[03:26] <robotgeek> BigOZ, how fast is the SBC yahoo dsl ?
[03:26] <BigOZ> Not sure
[03:26] <BigOZ> Fast enough
[03:26] <bob2> BigOZ: so what sort of connection do you have?
[03:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> BigOZ,  man antivirus is for m$
[03:27] <BigOZ> Apparently so foamster
[03:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[03:27] <IIIEars> darkmatter - as a former windows user i understand your paranoia. - virus scans on linux are best used as mail routers/shields for windows machines.
[03:27] <BigOZ> Its a little gateway router thing
[03:27] <Velcan> I notice when I do 'mkisofs -o /path/to/output.iso /path/to/some/dir/' and then I mount the new image the layout is definately unique and I assume that's because the data is compressed .... am I right in that??
[03:27] <robotgeek> nice, BMP is nice and very usable...thanks  everyone!
[03:27] <BigOZ> it has 5 ethernet ports and it also has a wireless signal
[03:28] <bob2> Velcan: mkisofs doesn't compress things by default
[03:28] <BigOZ> which I am currently using..
[03:28] <bob2> BigOZ: then you can probably use it as a normal ethernet connection
[03:28] <lordyves> thanks you
[03:28] <BigOZ> But just the wireless?
[03:28] <Velcan> what's it doing then?
[03:28] <bob2> Velcan: how do you mean?
[03:29] <bob2> BigOZ: I don't understand  your question
[03:29] <darkmatter> IIIEars, yes. But even though we really don't need to worry about viruses, it's still good practice to use one
[03:29] <BigOZ> um
[03:29] <BigOZ> Nevermind then
[03:29] <BigOZ> I'll just use the ethernet
[03:29] <Velcan> well if i am to mount an image i made using that meathod the file structure is not the same
[03:29] <bob2> darkmatter: er, not really
[03:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> bob2, is there a way to donate to ubuntu?
[03:29] <darkmatter> incase a windows virus finds it's way in
[03:29] <bob2> BigOZ: if your question is "Can I connect to my router wirelessly?", then the anser is yes
[03:29] <bob2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: yes, www.ubuntu.com has the link
[03:29] <darkmatter> don't want to inadvertantly send it to awindows user
[03:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thanx ^_^
[03:30] <bob2> just setup your mail system to delete all windows executables
[03:30] <IIIEars> darkmatter - i see the logic in being a good citizen and a harder target. just erm i think lazy is a word that fits.
[03:30] <LinuxJones> ChurcH_of_FoamY, yeah send your money to Linux Jones: Grand Cayman Islands, Grand Cayman :D
[03:30] <bob2> Velcan: how do you mean, not the same?
[03:30] <darkmatter> IIEars, lol
[03:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.< i ant that drunk .......yet
[03:30] <robotgeek> Dear Ubuntu User, I am Prince Robot from Nigeria....
[03:30] <LinuxJones> :)
[03:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[03:31] <darkmatter> *IIEars, typo
[03:31] <robotgeek> alrite, later ppl!
[03:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> http://www.live365.com/play/298908?LID=553-usa&lid=553-usa&SaneID=24.177.160.171-1122004489237&AuthType=NORMAL&VisitCount=2&membername=kisain&bitrate=256&now=1122168181253&session=58d0xueHUjZa0
[03:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> paste that into your media player
[03:32] <BigOZ> Oh
[03:32] <BigOZ> Sorry bob
[03:32] <BigOZ> I was preoccupied
[03:32] <BigOZ> but yeah
[03:32] <BigOZ> that was my question
[03:33] <patrickj> ello
[03:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hi ^_^
[03:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> 
[03:33] <Velcan> heres an example
[03:33] <patrickj> I was wondering if installing OpenBox is possible
[03:34] <bob2> sure it is
[03:34] <patrickj> im currently on a dual boot between XP Pro and this
[03:34] <darkmatter> ChurcH_of_FoamY, nice link:)
[03:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thanx ^_^
[03:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm good at finding what i want ^_^
[03:35] <xoz> patrickj: not in the default sourcelist
[03:35] <lordyves> how do I access my flkoppy
[03:35] <lordyves> I typed mount and it is not listed
[03:35] <bob2> patrickj: wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoryHowto
[03:36] <lordyves> what is the syntax for mounting my floppy
[03:36] <bob2> lordyves: then it's not mounted
[03:36] <patrickj> meh its alright, but whats a good html editor, also where the beginner guide?
[03:36] <patrickj> i need a GOOD web editor because im a webdesigner
[03:36] <Velcan> I do 'mkisofs -o /vault/iso/boot_partition_backup.iso /boot/' and then view the iso ... '/boot/config-2.6.10-5-386' is now '/boot/CONFIG_2.10_;1'
[03:36] <j_fletcher> Can somebody tell me where the skins folder for xmms is?
[03:36] <j_fletcher> :s
[03:36] <bob2> Velcan: then use rockridge extensions, -R
[03:36] <bob2> j_fletcher: ~/.xmms
[03:36] <j_fletcher> thx
[03:37] <IIIEars> patrickj, take a peek at "NVU"
[03:37] <Velcan> so just do 'mkisofs -R etc...' ?
[03:37] <jcapote> patrickj: check out nvu
[03:37] <patrickj> meh does NVU have a code editor?
[03:37] <jcapote> oh someone already said it :)
[03:37] <jcapote> yes
[03:37] <patrickj> In windows I use dreamweaver, but I only use Code view
[03:37] <IIIEars> patrickj, others like text html tags and prefer "screem"
[03:37] <patrickj> I just need a really good code editor for css/xhtml
[03:38] <bob2> Velcan: yes
[03:38] <jcapote> then whats the point of a WYSIWIG editor
[03:38] <xoz> patrickj: bluefish?
[03:38] <bob2> patrickj: just use a good text editor then
[03:38] <jcapote> exactly
[03:38] <darkmatter> lordyves, mount /media/floppy /dev/fd0
[03:38] <xoz> patrickj: or vi
[03:38] <bob2> darkmatter: that won't work
[03:38] <spartas> patrickj: vi with syntax highlighting works wonders
[03:38] <jcapote> all i need is syntax highlighting and firefox + web dev extensions
[03:38] <patrickj> whats vi?
[03:38] <patrickj> lol
[03:39] <jcapote> the most powerful, yet hardest editor ever created by mankind
[03:39] <bob2> hm
[03:39] <bob2> not really
[03:39] <patrickj> well I just need a good html/css editor
[03:39] <patrickj> with php
[03:39] <patrickj> that has syntax highlighting
[03:39] <jcapote> i think gedit is fine, if it does syntax highlighting
[03:39] <j_fletcher> most then
[03:39] <^thehatsrule^> bluefish patrickj
[03:39] <Velcan> thanks bob2
[03:40] <bob2> lordyves: sudo mount /media/floppy
[03:40] <bob2> might work
[03:40] <IIIEars> open office isn't too bad. (create great looking pages filled with "tasteful"  flashing text and grphics)
[03:40] <patrickj> and wheres the beginners guide, has all programs and stuff to get me started
[03:40] <IIIEars> lol
[03:41] <^thehatsrule^> man vi :P
[03:41] <darkmatter> bob_2, sorry, bad syntax (and symantics)
[03:41] <VeloxS> winepath: Invalid option L"--new" <-- problems running WINE base install with winetools.
[03:41] <darkmatter> not awake yet
[03:41] <patrickj> okay where can i get vi of bluefish
[03:41] <bob2> "or\'
[03:41] <bob2> both are available using synaptic
[03:41] <jcapote> i started to install bluefish, but it demands the cd, is there a way to make it force fetch
[03:42] <patrickj> how can I instal a metacity theme?
[03:42] <thoreauputic> jcapote: comment out the CD line in /etc/apt/sources.list and run sudo apt-get update
[03:42] <IIIEars> patrickj
[03:42] <bob2> jcapote: if you mean "to not use the CD, but instead download if from a mirror", then just configure synaptic to not use the CD
[03:42] <jcapote> yea im doing that
[03:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> whats memoserv?
[03:42] <jcapote> i figured that synaptic had a skip method
[03:43] <VeloxS> winepath: Invalid option L"--new" <-- problems running WINE base install with winetools.
[03:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> when i identified my self it said i have no memos
[03:43] <bob2> VeloxS: no need to repeat
[03:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_o how would it know?"
[03:43] <bob2> VeloxS: I'm pretty sure winetools is deprecated
[03:43] <soultaker> hello to all
[03:43] <VeloxS> winesetuptk  doesn't work either
[03:43] <patrickj> okay, wheres the beginner Guide, and WHERE can i get Vi with syntax highlighting?
[03:44] <soultaker> can anyone tellme how to install the Amsn I em a NewBy
[03:44] <DonL> soultaker, hello to you
[03:44] <soultaker> hello DonL
[03:44] <bob2> patrickj: you don't want vi
[03:44] <IIIEars> patrickj -vi? - really?
[03:44] <bob2> patrickj: and stop using caps, it's annoying
[03:44] <bob2> patrickj: just install bluefish and use that
[03:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_o
[03:44] <jcapote> bluefish is pretty awesome
[03:44] <bob2> soultaker: you don't want gaim?
[03:44] <soultaker> gaim ?. havent try it
[03:45] <Velcan> bob2:  Would 'mkisofs -R -o /vault/iso/cdbackup.iso /media/cdrom/' effectively do the same thing as 'dd if=/dev/cdrom of=$myfile bs=1024' ?
[03:45] <DonL> soultaker, my son loves gaim. He uses it on a win 98 box
[03:45] <soultaker> cool
[03:45] <jcapote> wow, i just found out that my "touchpad on/off" button doesnt work in ubuntu
[03:45] <bob2> Velcan: if you want to copy a cd, don't use mkisofs
[03:45] <DonL> Apparently it rocks compared to msn
[03:45] <soultaker> it work with the Msn contacs ?.
[03:45] <bob2> jcapote: please file a bug then
[03:46] <jcapote> im sure its not a bug
[03:46] <DonL> soultaker, yes it does, and all the others as well
[03:46] <jcapote> the dimmer keys though, thats definitely a bug
[03:46] <jcapote> they work
[03:46] <patrickj> sorry to be repetative but where is ther starter guide...?
[03:46] <jcapote> but with 40 second delay
[03:46] <bob2> patrickj: what starter guide?
[03:46] <soultaker> thats great more and more I love this ubuntu Linux
[03:46] <OdiiN> i have a ploblem with xfce, i try to run nautilus in xfce4 and now i have the gnome desktop, i want to restore the xfce desktop but i dont know what can i do
[03:46] <bob2> OdiiN: pkill nautilus, in a terminal
[03:46] <IIIEars> patrickj - ubuntuguide.org - (shh it's very very unofficial)
[03:46] <patrickj> the one that explains how to download stuff like java and install it with firefox plugin
[03:47] <patrickj> yes thanks
[03:47] <bob2> patrickj: wiki.ubuntu.com
[03:47] <patrickj> also, how do I install theme, like metacity...etc.
[03:47] <soultaker> i em trying to lef XP for good
[03:47] <drcode> hi all
[03:47] <j_fletcher> patrickj: there's also www.ubuntuguide.org -- some is useful, but the repo is dodgey
[03:47] <OdiiN> bob2,  nautilus is killed, can be other program?
[03:47] <soultaker> hi drcode
[03:47] <drcode> any one know why in gnome the realplayer dosnt work?
[03:47] <drcode> and in xfce it dose?
[03:47] <bob2> OdiiN: don't know, try #xfce
[03:47] <thoreauputic> OdiiN: you can create a launcher for nautilus the says " nautilus --no-desktop "
[03:48] <bob2> drcode: "dosnt work" = no sound?
[03:48] <patrickj> rep is dodgy?
[03:48] <DonL> drcode, got it working fine here
[03:48] <bob2> drcode: try running "pkill esd" in gnome before using it
[03:48] <bob2> patrickj: "rep"?
[03:48] <patrickj> so how can I install metac themes, and I meant repo
[03:48] <bob2> you mean apt repository?
[03:48] <Ali`G> wats that command dpkg -i --force-overwrite <filename>
[03:48] <Ali`G> or something
[03:48] <Ali`G> like that
[03:48] <bob2> Ali`G: please don't use that
[03:48] <Velcan> bob2:  Earlier you said mkisofs doesnt compress 'by default'. Does that mean it has the abbility to?
[03:48] <Ali`G> bob2: i have to
[03:48] <bob2> patrickj: download them, and drag them onto the theme manager window
[03:49] <Ali`G> whats the command
[03:49] <bob2> Ali`G: why?
[03:49] <soultaker> DonL what version will i download for the Gaim ??
[03:49] <Ali`G> bob2 because i do can you tell me howto use that command
[03:49] <Velcan> bob2:  or did you just mean i could gzip it or something of that nature?
[03:49] <bob2> Velcan: I don't know, maybe you need an external program.  the man page would know for sure.
[03:49] <thoreauputic> soultaker: gaim is installed by default
[03:49] <DonL> soultaker, just take the one Ubuntu offers you.
[03:49] <bob2> Velcan: knoppix/et al use compressed iso images, and it's not just running zip on them
[03:49] <bob2> Ali`G: what are you installing?
[03:49] <soultaker> in the synatics ?.
[03:49] <DonL> thoreauputic, I thought so
[03:49] <Ali`G> bob2: tightvncserver
[03:50] <bob2> soultaker: gaim is installed by default
[03:50] <soultaker> ha!!!
[03:50] <Ali`G> bob2: i installed it using apt-get install tightvncserver
[03:50] <Ali`G> bob2: but how do i use it?
[03:50] <soultaker> cool
[03:50] <bob2> Ali`G: it has no instructions?
[03:50] <j_fletcher> can wmv be played without special codecs? I have certain ones such as ffmpeg and gst* i also have mplayer and vlc
[03:51] <patrickj> I have some music on my NTFS partition, how do I access/play it from here..?
[03:51] <thoreauputic> soultaker: it will be in your menu - it's the default IM client
[03:51] <j_fletcher> patrickj: mount it
[03:51] <bob2> patrickj: www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:51] <thoreauputic> !restricted
[03:51] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:51] <IIIEars> velcan -an interesting walkthrough on making a compressed iso. (knoppix) http://e-lane.org/pub/tutorial.html
[03:51] <thoreauputic> j_fletcher: ^^^ see ubitu's URL
[03:52] <Velcan> hey thanks IIIEars
[03:52] <Ali`G> bob2: how would i vnc to linux from windows?
[03:52] <thoreauputic> 8ubotu
[03:52] <DonL> soultaker, if you want it in your top menubar, just right click up there, and follow the instructions
[03:52] <bob2> Ali`G: you'd usew X, generally
[03:52] <bob2> Ali`G: does it really have no instrucions?
[03:52] <Ali`G> bob2: yes
[03:52] <darkmatter> Ali' G: man tightvncserver?
[03:52] <patrickj> Do i drag the tar.gz file into theme viewer?
[03:52] <IIIEars> bob2 -  three+ questions at one time? -  ;)
[03:53] <bob2> 3 is a slow day
[03:53] <bob2> patrickj: yes
[03:53] <soultaker> yes i see it
[03:53] <j_fletcher> thoreauputic: thx :)
[03:53] <soultaker> Gnome Meeting
[03:53] <soultaker> my mistake
[03:53] <soultaker> Gaim
[03:53] <soultaker> hehehehe
[03:53] <soultaker> i em Blind
[03:54] <soultaker> to much beer make Homer Crazy
[03:54] <jcapote> what does everyone here use to play thier music
[03:54] <jcapote> ive noticed that rythmbox is kinda slow
[03:55] <patrickj> kk thanks
[03:55] <patrickj> now I got my linux all 1337 out
[03:55] <patrickj> oh can I install stuff like root-tail etc.?
[03:55] <soultaker> Whaooooo!!!
[03:55] <bob2> cplay is quite nice
[03:55] <IIIEars> jcapote - xmms or streamtuner streamripper(raadio)
[03:55] <bob2> patrickj: of course
[03:55] <soultaker> thanks Guys for the heko
[03:55] <soultaker> help
[03:55] <jcapote> i want something more itunes like
[03:55] <jcapote> such as amarok
[03:56] <thoreauputic> jcapote: you can install amarok
[03:56] <bob2> soultaker: you need to ask a question...
[03:56] <jcapote> but it wont it look like a qt
[03:56] <jcapote> application*
[03:56] <thoreauputic> jcapote: yes, it will have the qt look
[03:56] <soultaker> thanks Guys for the help
[03:56] <jcapote> ew, i was hoping for something in the gtk arena
[03:56] <soultaker> time to go home
[03:57] <thoreauputic> jcapote: streamtuner is a nice app
[03:57] <prodigy> Hey
[03:57] <jcapote> not that i dont like qt, i just dont like using 2 different windowing kits on the same box, it feels like some wierd mutant operating system
[03:57] <prodigy> How do I access my windows drives from Ubuntu?
[03:57] <jcapote> which i know linux is, but im trying to kid myself :P
[03:57] <Domo> excuse me, but can anyone tell me where to find info on how to install Ubuntu while keeping Windows XP?
[03:57] <bob2> prodigy: www.ubuntguide.org
[03:57] <Imsdle> does anyone know how to setup sql-ledger
[03:57] <vladuz976> hi, i just upgraded to firefox 1.06. anyody know why it still shows the old version? under about it says: ubuntu package 1.03 or something
[03:57] <thoreauputic> jcapote: I mostly use streamtuner with beep-media-player
[03:58] <bob2> Domo: just install it
[03:58] <_jon> whats it mean when the pri install repo setup just sits there at 25%
[03:58] <bob2> vladuz976: er, talk to whoever made the package you used
[03:58] <nalioth> Domo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[03:58] <Ali`G> bob2: i get this error vncserver: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:58] <bob2> you don't need a howto
[03:58] <Domo> thanks
[03:58] <bob2> ubuntu sets that up for you
[03:58] <vladuz976> bob2: i didn't use any package, i used the firefox download from the mozilla website
[03:59] <bob2> Ali`G: where on earth did you get that versin of tightvncserver from?
[03:59] <Domo> bob2: what about all of that partition stuff?
[03:59] <bob2> vladuz976: there you go, run the particularversion you installed
[03:59] <jcapote> maybe theres a way to make rythmbox a little faster?
[03:59] <bob2> Domo: ? you mean mounting windows partitions?
[03:59] <Ali`G> bob2: i download vncserver like apt-get install vncserver
[03:59] <bob2> Ali`G: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[04:00] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: your new firefox needs to be launched from the full path where you put it: else you will be executing /usr/bin/firefox
[04:00] <bob2> I'd be amazingly surprised if tightvncserver came from ubuntu
[04:00] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: which of course is the ubuntu FF
[04:01] <ubuntu> hola
[04:01] <_jon> whats it mean when the pri install repo setup just sits there at 25%
[04:01] <jcapote> is there an alternative to gstreamer?
[04:02] <jcapote> i think im also using oss, wouldnt it be better to use alsa
[04:02] <Ali`G> bob2: bob2 http://rafb.net/paste/results/T8NGzC30.html
[04:02] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: the firefox tar.gz doesn't have any installer file. doesn't tell me where it installs to
[04:02] <Ali`G> bob2: http://rafb.net/paste/results/T8NGzC30.html
[04:02] <bob2> vladuz976: then it's wherever you untarred
[04:02] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: it should install in the dir you ran it from, as far as I know
[04:03] <vladuz976> bob2: i of course untarred it
[04:03] <bob2> Ali`G: and the output of "apt-cache policy tightvncserver"
[04:03] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: thanks, just read the install log and it looks like that is what it does
[04:03] <bob2> vladuz976: then look in that directory
[04:03] <Ali`G> dean@ubuntu:~/.vnc $ apt-cache policy tightvncserver
[04:03] <Ali`G> tightvncserver:
[04:03] <Ali`G> Installed: 1.2.9-5
[04:03] <Ali`G> Candidate: 1.2.9-5
[04:03] <Ali`G> Version Table:
[04:03] <Ali`G> *** 1.2.9-5 0
[04:03] <Ali`G> 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages
[04:03] <Ali`G> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[04:03] <Ali`G> dean@ubuntu:~/.vnc $
[04:04] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: so if i install it from inside /usr/bin/firefox it will upgrade the current firefox?
[04:04] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: no, don't do that
[04:04] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: how can i do it then?
[04:04] <bob2> Ali`G: you're sure vncserver is from the tightvncserver package?
[04:05] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: just run it from where it installed. or make a link to /usr/local/bin/firefox
[04:05] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: don't mess with /usr/bin
[04:05] <Ali`G> bob2: no
[04:06] <bob2> then check
[04:06] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: even if i run it from there (~/downloads/firefox-installer/firefox) it starts the old one
[04:06] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: erm, I doubt that
[04:06] <bob2> close all existing copies of firefox
[04:07] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: i went to >help >about and it says the old version of it
[04:07] <bob2> as above
[04:07] <catolh> I just installed the Clearlooks graphite suite theme, but when i use it.. the Menubars or mostly anything doesnt look anything like on the screenshots that can be found with the download, here:  http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=26757
[04:07] <catolh> Anyone else got this to work?
[04:07] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: do you have another FF running?
[04:08] <robert_pectol> vladuz976:   once you untar it, run the installer script and I think it will place it in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/.  the one in /usr/bin/ is merely a symbolic link to the one in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox I think...
[04:08] <bob2> catolh: clearlooks is installed by default, and I'm pretty sure it's the default theme, anyway
[04:08] <zukalk> 3am, g'd night all
[04:08] <nalioth>  vladuz976 you may have to ps aux| grep firefox or whatever its called (may have a rogue process goin on)
[04:09] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: robert_pectol yes i had one running on a nother desktop that was it. whats the easieest way to make the new one run by default?
[04:09] <thoreauputic> robert_pectol: no, the moz installer installs in the untarred directory
[04:09] <catolh> bob2, but it's not similar at all.. :\
[04:09] <Ali`G> bob2: were can i get vncpasswd: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:09] <bob2> catolh: then presumably you're using the wrong theme
[04:09] <bob2> Ali`G: "which vncpasswd" prints what?
[04:10] <Ali`G> bob2: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
[04:10] <catolh> bob2, it says at the site that its using clearlooks..
[04:10] <Ali`G> were can i download that
[04:10] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: sudo ln -s /usr/local/bin/firefox /path/to/your/new/executable
[04:10] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: oops
[04:10] <robert_pectol> thoreauputic:   Ok, that may very well be the case.  If so, you will probably have to manually place it
[04:10] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: reverse the order for that ln -s command
[04:10] <bob2> Ali`G: no, what does the command I gave you print out?
[04:10] <bob2> catolh: that's a theme engine, not just a theme
[04:10] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: sure
[04:11] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: target first - i always get that wrong ;)
[04:11] <Ali`G> bob2 which one
[04:11] <hawkman> Can someone tell me why Ubuntu only gives me sound for events and games, but move players like Totem and Noatun won't give sound. and I've tried changing the sound providers.
[04:11] <bob2> 12:09:50 @         bob2 | Ali`G: "which vncpasswd" prints what?
[04:11] <citrus> whats linux?
[04:12] <catolh> bob2, yeah?.. didnt you say it was installed by default?
[04:12] <bob2> hawkman: because they're not configured to use esd
[04:12] <bob2> catolh: the theme engine is
[04:12] <hawkman> I've tried ALSA and OSS as well
[04:12] <thoreauputic> robert_pectol: manually moving 3rd party apps into /usr/bin is a Bad Thing (tm)
[04:12] <citrus> alsa like salsa?
[04:12] <bob2> citrus: please?
[04:13] <robert_pectol> thoreauputic:   No, I meant moving it to the place where the sym link within the /usr/bin points...
[04:13] <citrus> bob2:  please what
[04:13] <thoreauputic> robert_pectol: that is also a Bad Thing
[04:13] <Ali`G> bob2: i got it to work
[04:13] <thoreauputic> robert_pectol: you are advocating breaking the package management
[04:13] <bob2> citrus: stop being annoying
[04:13] <bob2> Ali`G: by doing what?
[04:13] <Ali`G> bob2 but how do i make it dispaly the screen that is on ubuntu atm
[04:13] <bob2> no idea
[04:14] <Ali`G> bob2: apt-get install libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2
[04:14] <benkong2> I am about to go nuts over this wireless thing. I have an ubuntu box with 2 nics serving as my router/firewall server etc. I have a linksys wrt54g that I want to use as  a wireless access point.
[04:14] <citrus> what is ubuntu live?
[04:14] <catolh> bob2, well.. if you look at the page.. it offers the Clearlooks graphite theme, icon set, xmms and firefox themes.. ( http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=26757 ) I've installed all of those, and presumeably the theme on the screenshot is using the clearlooks engine, since its called clearlooks-graphite..  and it still doesnt look the same.. :\
[04:14] <bob2> Ali`G: dude, that's not a good solution
[04:14] <robert_pectol> thoreauputic:   It's a choice one has to make from time to time... If it's too risky for you, don't do it!
[04:14] <bob2> Ali`G: what does "which vncpasswd" print out?
[04:14] <catolh> but anyways, fudge it.. :p i'll find another or similar theme
[04:14] <bob2> Ali`G: and please tell me you didn't use rpms
[04:14] <LinuxJones> citrus, it's a bootable version of Linux that runs directly from a cdrom
[04:15] <benkong2> What do I need to make this work? my ubuntu box is working port forwarding etc all pc's work. I just need some help on setting up the wireless router to act just as a wirless interface.
[04:15] <thoreauputic> robert_pectol: no, you are just wrong - sorry. The way to do it is to create a symlink in /usr/local/bin - that's where 3rd party apps can go without screwing up the package management
[04:16] <robert_pectol> thoreauputic:   Ok then...
[04:16] <thoreauputic> robert_pectol: it isn't a question of risk - it's a question of not breaking the apt-get and dpkg systems
[04:16] <citrus> so is linux like windows?
[04:16] <citrus> is it from mircosoft too?
[04:16] <thoreauputic> citrus: short answer: no
[04:16] <LinuxJones> citrus, no
[04:16] <nalioth> citrus: is is a point-n-click interface that operates on commodity personal computer hardware
[04:16] <citrus> what company makes it?
[04:16] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: something interesting, after making the link and eveything, the new one starts when i start it from the menu or from the gdesklets toolbar. if however i start it from the terminal with "firefox" i get the old one
[04:17] <citrus> commodity personal computer hardware?
[04:17] <hawkman> So how do I get any of the mediaplayers to use ESD for sound then ?
[04:17] <LinuxJones> citrus, you have all of the tradmarks(R) of a real troll
[04:17] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: you must have /usr/bin before /usr/local/bin in your $PATH
[04:18] <citrus> lol i am just fsckin with ya
[04:18] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/gam es
[04:18] <LinuxJones> citrus, you're wasting bandwidth, please stop :)
[04:18] <citrus> bandwith from your serveR?
[04:19] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: well, that *is* odd then
[04:19] <LinuxJones> citrus, from freenode and everybody who is on this channel yeah
[04:19] <bob2> citrus: enough
[04:19] <citrus> nalioth:  wouldn't you call it more of a kernel  that allows you to use cli OR GUI and not limit it to a point and click interface?
[04:20] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: well, it is. usually i use the panel to start it, but i would like to know why anyways
[04:21] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: one would expect "firefox" to be firat found in /usr/local/bin if that's where your symlink is - so I'm puzzled
[04:22] <patrickj> ello
[04:23] <benwc> I just built a kernel using this command: fakeroot make-kpkg --added_modules ip_alias buildpackage
[04:23] <LinuxJones> patrickj, welcome
[04:23] <benwc> anyone know where it is?
[04:23] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: ah, I think if you fire up a new terminal it will find the new one - try it
[04:23] <patrickj> How can I acess my NTFS drive, i need some music files....
[04:24] <patrickj> and a list of softwaare. also whats a good docking thing for Gnome
[04:24] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: or type " which firefox" to see where the new terminal thinks it is
[04:25] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: yeah, how funny that i didn't think of that. but yes, that was it
[04:26] <benwc> where does a built kernel build to?
[04:26] <patrickj> ?
[04:26] <cafuego> wheee, it's raining in perth
[04:26] <LinuxJones> benwc, /boot/
[04:27] <LinuxJones> cafuego, rain is good :)
[04:27] <benwc> LinuxJones do you what it would be called?
[04:27] <citrus> i have a serious question tho...   how can i get my movies to have a small image or "preview" in gnome/ubuntu  my friends ubuntu installtion works  but i have been kde for a long time i don't know much about gnome
[04:27] <cafuego> LinuxJones: I suppose, but it's annoying when you're trapsing through the city looking for decent coffee
[04:27] <patrickj> How can i acess my NTFS drive?
[04:28] <gigaclon> !mount
[04:28] <ubotu> I heard mount is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[04:28] <LinuxJones> benwc, just do ls on the /boot dir you will see it
[04:28] <gigaclon> !tell patrickj about mount
[04:28] <benwc> I did ls -al and all I see is the original kernel by date. No new files in there
[04:28] <Brunellus> anyone installed ubuntu on an hp desktop?
[04:28] <bob2> patrickj: you read the page I pointed you to?
[04:28] <LinuxJones> benwc, you should have all of the good coffee houses already memorized :D
[04:29] <Brunellus> I'm looking to dual-boot ubuntu and WinXP on my hp pavilion desktop
[04:29] <patrickj> thanks,brb
[04:29] <Brunellus> the first partition is a windows recovery partition
[04:29] <benwc> LinuxJones it took forever to build this sucker
[04:30] <benwc> I just needed one stupid module installed: ip_alias
[04:30] <pking1977> anyone have limewire?
[04:31] <pking1977> installed
[04:31] <citrus> use giftd
[04:31] <citrus> so much better
[04:31] <pking1977> is that in the repositories?
[04:31] <citrus> you can connect to the fast track  gnutella and openft with the same program
[04:31] <citrus> yeah
[04:31] <citrus> apt-cache search giftd
[04:31] <citrus> or apt-cache search gift
[04:32] <citrus> its a bit hard to get running perfectly
[04:32] <citrus> but once you do
[04:32] <LinuxJones> benwc, look in /usr/src/ and see what source you've compiled, then look in /boot and you will see a coresponding kernel image
[04:32] <citrus> you will not be dissapointed
[04:32] <Brunellus> how many bootable partitions can you have on a disk?
[04:32] <benwc> thx LinuxJones
[04:32] <LinuxJones> benwc, good luck :)
[04:33] <benwc> I did'nt backup my old kernel and they have the same name
[04:34] <citrus> can anyone tell me why vmware freezes my entire system
[04:34] <pking1977> doest giftd run in KDE?
[04:34] <IIIEars> Brunellis - read something about 6+ linuxes installed on a single disk. - guessing windows ntloader/dos can handle maybe 2.
[04:34] <citrus> i have been using gentoo for a long time and i never got a total lock up of linux like i do when i run vmware in ubuntu
[04:34] <MrGardenHoseMan> what's the command to unzip a *.tgz file?
[04:34] <nalioth> pking1977: giftd runs on any *nix box
[04:34] <citrus> giftd is the deamon that connects to the network
[04:34] <nalioth> MrGardenHoseMan: tar xvzf *.tgz
[04:35] <citrus> apollon or giftoxic   use giftd to download
[04:35] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[04:35] <citrus> wait
[04:35] <citrus> you might not want to "unzip" tgz   its a slackware based pkg     just use alien   to convert it to deb
[04:36] <Nameeater> how can I download java from the java sun site with wget?
[04:36] <IIIEars> Do you need to compile a kernel with special mods for vmware?
[04:36] <citrus> then use dpkg -i *.deb to install it
[04:36] <citrus> not that i know of
[04:36] <citrus> i could try the old version  witch i know you dont' need to
[04:36] <MrGardenHoseMan> uhh how do i convert it...
[04:36] <Brunellus> IIIEars:  if I use Grub as my bootloader, then I should be able to boot from at least three partitions right?
[04:36] <LinuxJones> benwc, I am too drunk ATM, why do you need that feature ?
[04:37] <MrGardenHoseMan> never mind just maned it
[04:37] <citrus> alien *.tgz
[04:37] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[04:37] <LinuxJones> benwc, you can just load that module if you need it
[04:37] <IIIEars> Brunellis - I would think so. - please don't quote me. (noob 14 weeks)
[04:37] <Brunellus> OK.  I'll throw it open to the floor--
[04:37] <benwc> LinuxJones I have more than 1 IP from my ISP for hosting multiple SSL
[04:38] <Brunellus> if I use grub as my bootloader, I should be able to boot from at least three diff partitions, right?
[04:38] <IIIEars> Brunellis - gussing you could boot more partitions with ntloader/dos with a boot.lnx file. (first 512 bytes ripped from a boot sector.)
[04:38] <citrus> i hate grub
[04:38] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: yes - i have three OS es here in triple boot using GRUB
[04:38] <LinuxJones> benwc, ohh I see
[04:39] <Brunellus> cheers thoreauputic.  you come through for me yet again!
[04:39] <benwc> is there a way to do it w/ out ip_alias?
[04:39] <Nameeater> is the latest firefox broken in ubuntu?
[04:39] <IIIEars> grub isn't weak.
[04:39] <citrus> didn't say it was  IIIEars
[04:39] <IIIEars> lol - i did. ;)
[04:39] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: actually when you install Ubuntu it even finds them automagically
[04:39] <citrus> i am just used to LILO
[04:40] <LinuxJones> benwc, I don't know :(
[04:40] <Brunellus> thoreauputic:  I've been reading through the Windows Dual Boot Howto on the wiki
[04:40] <benwc> thx LinuxJones :)
[04:40] <thoreauputic> citrus: lilo is OK - but a nice aspect of grub is you don't need to "run" it each time the config changes
[04:40] <citrus> how do i get newprograms from apt-get   ?? like my gaim version is like 1.3.1 and firefox is like 1.04
[04:40] <Brunellus> there's a long section in it about installing grub onto the bootable linux partition lest it hose the MBR
[04:41] <Brunellus> does the new hoary installer take care of that?
[04:41] <Brunellus> (last install from disk I made was back in Warty)
[04:41] <LinuxJones> benwc, I wish I could help you out :D
[04:41] <citrus> just typing in the command lilo  doesn't take to much brain power
[04:41] <IIIEars> citrus - synaptic is an added plus. - tracking what is installed already by seeing it.
[04:41] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: I just let it install grub in the MBR - works fine
[04:41] <skyhawker> I was wondering if somebody could talk me through getting my 5.1 surround to work? (it seems to not like me :))
[04:41] <Brunellus> thoreauputic:  you can boot into XP with grub in the MBR?
[04:42] <citrus> yeah
[04:42] <benwc> yeah me too LinuxJones I'm the fool who thought it would be easy to bind many IPs to my network card
[04:42] <thoreauputic> citrus: true - I wasn't saying it was hard: just "nice" that grub doesn't need it
[04:42] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: yep
[04:42] <IIIEars> Brunellus, - yes absolutely. np
[04:42] <learn25> hi all!
[04:42] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: mind you, I haven't booted into XP for months ;)
[04:43] <Brunellus> I don't intend to boot into XP much, just for the odd game here and there
[04:43] <Brunellus> my old ubuntu box is about to be made into my mother's email/web machine
[04:43] <IIIEars> << Backslides into XP for ease of non-ported game installation
[04:43] <j_fletcher> I havent used windows in ages, I tryed the other day, but now I get the feeling for windows i used to with linux
[04:43] <Brunellus> I bought a cheap refurb'd HP box for my personal use, with a nice nvidia card for cheap
[04:43] <learn25> Ubuntu is great. How can i make nautilus navigate directories in "tree view"? Like in xandros.
[04:44] <Computer__Guru> suddenly, mplayer freezes when i try to play a file... how would i wipe any reference to mplayer fromt he system so as to install a completely fresh copy
[04:44] <citrus> has anyone gotten battlefield 2 to work with cedega 4.4
[04:44] <j_fletcher> which is "omg, i feel so "away from home here""
[04:44] <LinuxJones> benwc, you can setup virtual ip addresses faily easily, but not right now for me (google is your best friend) :)
[04:44] <learn25> Ubuntu is great. How can i make nautilus navigate directories in "tree view"? Like in xandros.
[04:44] <doctor_salvia> yo i have verizon dls ... and its router is inside my house... but im in my shed and i want to put a secondary router out here connected to the one in my house.  but no success so far
[04:44] <shanon> Has anyone got mplayer working with ac3 encoded audio? The ubunut packages appears to be broken
[04:44] <j_fletcher> learn25: applications -> system tools -> config editor
[04:44] <thoreauputic> learn25: no need to repeat
[04:44] <learn25> ok thanks
[04:45] <j_fletcher> learn25: then, preferences -> apps -> nautilus
[04:45] <j_fletcher> and untick ...
[04:45] <j_fletcher> moment
[04:45] <benwc> LinixJones I just found my new kernel  :D   in /usr/src/kernel-image-2.6.10_10.00.Custom_i386.deb
[04:45] <cafuego> benwc: ifconfig eth0:X <ip>   # done. ANy prebuilt kernel can do that.
[04:45] <doctor_salvia> can anyone help me?
[04:45] <thoreauputic> doctor_salvia: I can give you the number of a good psychologist ;-)
[04:45] <j_fletcher> learn25: apps -> nautilus -> preferences -> allways use browser: ticked
[04:46] <j_fletcher> sry for any confusion
[04:46] <doctor_salvia> thoreauputic: any why the hell would i want that?
[04:46] <Brunellus> you all are great.
[04:46] <doctor_salvia> thoreauputic: and*
[04:46] <skyhawker> I was wondering if somebody could talk me through getting my 5.1 surround to work? (it seems to not like me :))
[04:46] <thoreauputic> doctor_salvia: erm, it was a joke, mate
[04:46] <benwc> cafuego I have 13 IP address' one same cable connection and I need to have ip_alias to use the other 12 ;)
[04:46] <doctor_salvia> thoreauputic: lol.  :-)
[04:46] <thoreauputic> doctor_salvia: note the  ;-)
[04:47] <neoTheCat> hey, i am a total ubuntu newbie.  i am used to rpmfind.net, and gentoo.  is there a website where i can find apps (POSE, to be particular?)
[04:47] <doctor_salvia> thoreauputic: well do you have a router psychologist?
[04:47] <rob^> neoTheCat, http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[04:48] <thoreauputic> doctor_salvia: He would just tell you your router "really has to want to change" :D
[04:48] <rob^> neoTheCat, ubuntu uses apt-get, so you dont have to download stuff from web sites
[04:48] <rob^> neoTheCat, you can also use the program synaptic
[04:48] <doctor_salvia> thoreauputic: i'd ask him where are the drugs?
[04:48] <rob^> neoTheCat, just run: sudo synaptic
[04:48] <rob^> in an shell
[04:49] <neoTheCat> rob^: before i decide to stick with ubuntu, i want to see how many apps i need compile by hand, and how many packages are available in the repository
[04:49] <thoreauputic> doctor_salvia: no, he advocates cognitive therapy ;-)
[04:49] <doctor_salvia> thoreauputic: psh!
[04:49] <rob^> neoTheCat, check out synaptic
[04:49] <thoreauputic> hehe
[04:49] <neoTheCat> rob^: yup, i did.  i just wasn't sure if i had it setup with all the available repositories
[04:49] <doctor_salvia> thoreauputic: lets give my router anger thereapy.... using a nerd and a shitload of insecure networks
[04:49] <learn25> Thanks guys. i now have a tree view. ;-) This should be enabled by default. ;-)
[04:49] <rob^> neoTheCat, http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[04:50] <rob^> has them all
[04:50] <patrickj> back
[04:50] <learn25> Can we suggest features for future release of Ubuntu? iF yes then where?
[04:50] <patrickj> okay i installed the SystemG theme but i believe there are different colours, how to I get to the different colours?
[04:51] <rob^> learn25, bugzilla
[04:51] <bob2> learn25: what feature?
[04:51] <Computer__Guru> why is it mplayer works fine for a couple of days then just dies, and NOTHING i do brings it back, and i have to end up friggen reinstallin g ubuntu to get it back.. this is REALLY starting to piss me off
[04:51] <_SD_Keo> Ubuntu rocks! Although I had to go through four CD's to get it installed.. The first three were bad.
[04:52] <learn25> is that a wedsite? The nautilus should be tree view by default ;-) and the address of the directory should be shown above by default ;-)
[04:52] <doctor_salvia> thoreauputic: i have verizon dls ... and its router is inside my house... but im in my shed and i want to put a secondary router out here connected to the one in my house. but no success so far
[04:52] <doctor_salvia> thoreauputic: dsl*
[04:52] <digao> hey, i'm starting in the linux world with ubuntu. i would like to know how can i configure firestarter to load automaticaly during the boot. could somebody help me?
[04:52] <Computer__Guru> if ic ant get it to work without reinstalling ubuntu, i'm trashing ubuntu, this is utterly ridiculous
[04:53] <Computer__Guru> and it's the fourth friggen time
[04:53] <Imsdle> does anyone know how to install sql-ledger as the instructions don't work and they are gay
[04:53] <thoreauputic> doctor_salvia: I'm not your man for router issues - I suggest you wait and see if anyone else can help
[04:53] <IIIEars> doctor_saliva - i wonder if using a free dns server and it's occasional pings from your network would keep ppp open?
[04:53] <mattt> i'm trying to install exim4 instead of postfix (using ubuntu 5.04), but the installation says that it's going to remove anaconda, ubuntu-base, etc.
[04:53] <signbarn> Something I did caused my CD-RW and DVD-RW to not mount properly and my external firewire hard drive not to mount at all.
[04:53] <doctor_salvia> thoreauputic: lol ok
[04:53] <patrickj> okay so How do I change the theme colours?
[04:54] <Computer__Guru> signbarn: it might not be something you did.. from what i can see, mplayer just stops working after a couple of days as well
[04:54] <Computer__Guru> through no fault of your own
[04:54] <mattt> is there a way to install exim4 without removing ubuntu-base, etc?
[04:54] <doctor_salvia> thoreauputic: i gues sill just kick er around till it decides to work i shoulda actually spent money on a good linksys router insteak of a belkin router straight out of the hands of a small ethiopian child.
[04:54] <signbarn> this happened a while ago and i reinstalled everything and i'm back to square one
[04:54] <thoreauputic> Computer__Guru: for what it's worth, I've had better luck with Xine and VLC
[04:55] <Computer__Guru> I think ubuntu is cursed for not having a root account
[04:55] <IIIEars> doctor_saliva - your isp reclaims your ip/connection because it thinks you aren't "using" t right? - would a cron'd ping script settle it?
[04:55] <doctor_salvia> psh
[04:55] <neoTheCat> i have about 10 mail accounts in thunderbird.  is there an easywaty to port the acct info to evolution?
[04:55] <rob^> Computer__Guru, why?
[04:55] <rob^> Computer__Guru, it stops newbies breaking things easily
[04:55] <patrickj> sorry to be repedative but, how do i change the colours of window borders and such?
[04:56] <mattt> ya, i like the enforcement of sudo, it's a good idea actually.
[04:56] <doctor_salvia> IIIEars: everything outside of my secondary router has perfect internet access.... i just cant get the secondary router to work
[04:56] <Computer__Guru> rob^: i dunno.. for whatever reason shit just randomly breaks in ubuntu, and i think it is the way of the gods getting back at you all for not making a root acct :>
[04:56] <thoreauputic> patrickj: play around with the "details" tab in the theme manager dialogue
[04:56] <signbarn> i like sudo too
[04:56] <rob^> Computer__Guru, what randomly breaks?
[04:57] <digao> ops... i closed the irc window by mistake so ill remake my question. i want to configure firestarter to load in the boot or when i login. can somebody help me?
[04:57] <Computer__Guru> and as far as 'ive had better luck with such and such' - i dont care. it shouldnt break if you havent been screwing with it
[04:57] <Computer__Guru> mplayer
[04:57] <signbarn> well unrelated to root, my disk mounting randomly breaks
[04:57] <Computer__Guru> specifically
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Computer__Guru: well, using an alternative isn't the end of the world, surely
[04:58] <patrickj> whats the best thing for playing music, such as MP3's and WMA's?
[04:58] <signbarn> i can't access my CD-RW or DVD-RW from the Computers folder, and my external firewire hard drive isn't recognized anymore -- has anybody had a similar problem with their CD/DVD-RW?
[04:58] <IIIEars> 'net >> first router DHCP form net? >> second router DHCP? from first? - hm - defined IP addresses in place of DHCP?
[04:58] <BRKN_LDR> hello?
[04:58] <_SD_Keo> patrickj: WMA's are horrible, don't use them
[04:58] <doctor_salvia> they eat children
[04:58] <doctor_salvia> wma's
[04:58] <Computer__Guru> thoreauputic: i like mplayer. it's the best player ive come across
[04:58] <signbarn> yes. and kill puppies
[04:58] <patrickj> I know i dont think I have any but what should i use to play mp3s?
[04:59] <wm_eddie> They sound terrible too
[04:59] <BRKN_LDR> how can i change menu.lst to boot a different kernel that i already have installed?  smp kernel breaks realtime-lsm
[04:59] <BRKN_LDR> patrickj you shouldn't
[04:59] <IIIEars> define fixed ip's dns servers from isp  on second router and equipment behind it?
[04:59] <_SD_Keo> partickj: Winamp
[04:59] <Computer__Guru> so using something else is a little too much afaiac
[04:59] <BRKN_LDR> patrickj vorbis/flac is the way to go
[04:59] <patrickj> y not?
[04:59] <signbarn> ...winamp?
[04:59] <patrickj> I want to listen to music and im using linux.........
[04:59] <doctor_salvia> in face i bet bill himself has a closet full of dead bunnies and kittens right in his bedroom.
[04:59] <Computer__Guru> mplayer should not break arbitrarily, and has NEVER done so under ANY other dist
[04:59] <doctor_salvia> fact*
[04:59] <BRKN_LDR> mp3 is a terribly outdated, patent encumbered format.
[04:59] <signbarn> .ogg, baby
[04:59] <wm_eddie> patrickj: get gstreamer-mad and play them with rhythmbox or Quod Libet.
[04:59] <patrickj> and all my music is MP3 and im not going to convert it to Vorbis...
[05:00] <jasoncohen> BRKN_LDR, you can use startup settings
[05:00] <BRKN_LDR> patrickj you have to install the restricted modules.  search for restricted modules on the ubuntu site
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> maybe it's kde..
[05:00] <thoreauputic> Computer__Guru: *shrug* It's up to you what you decide. I agree mplayer is good, but xine and vlc are too: whatever you prefer
[05:00] <^thehatsrule^> yea ogg vorbis :P
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> thoreauputic: right on
[05:00] <IIIEars> doctor_saliva - nah 'prolly a few dead CEOs from takeovers tho.
[05:00] <BRKN_LDR> jasoncohen there's a gui menu for that?
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> maybe it's kde 3.4.0
[05:00] <patrickj> How can I convert all my music to OGG then?
[05:00] <Computer__Guru> maybe i should give gnome a whirl
[05:00] <jasoncohen> BRKN_LDR, http://www.grawert.net/software/startup-settings/
[05:00] <doctor_salvia> IIIEars: LOL.   so u got any idea about my prob?
[05:00] <jasoncohen> BRKN_LDR, download the ubuntu deb
[05:00] <patrickj> and the theme colouring isnt anywhere in the theme details..
[05:00] <jasoncohen> gnome comes with boot-admin but it wasn't packaged with hoary
[05:01] <BRKN_LDR> shouldn't i just be able to edit some line in menu.lst?
[05:01] <^thehatsrule^> BRKN_LDR: yes you can
[05:01] <signbarn> patrickj: i don't reccomend converting from one lossy format to another lossy format. just rip your cds to ogg vorbis in the future.
[05:01] <thoreauputic> Computer__Guru: it *might* be an "arts" issue, if you are using KDE
[05:01] <BRKN_LDR> i just switched to kde this week.  despite the fact that it takes serious effort to make it not look ugly, it is quite awesome.
[05:01] <Computer__Guru> but its freezing on video
[05:01] <IIIEars> doctor_saliva - i would take a desperation swing at the fences and define static ip's and dns from eqiupment behind second router.
[05:01] <Computer__Guru> not audio
[05:01] <signbarn> patrickj: have you read the unnoficial ubuntu starter guide?
[05:01] <Computer__Guru> it could just be my session
[05:01] <patrickj> yes...wut bout ti?
[05:01] <Computer__Guru> maybe i should relog
[05:02] <Computer__Guru> before i give up on life itself
[05:02] <Computer__Guru> brb
[05:02] <signbarn> patrickj: you should have the codecs installed to play mp3s on just about any player -- totem, xmms, etc.
[05:03] <IIIEars> second router would be static and all equipment behind it would use a static address. - let the first router handle any heavy lifting. (after all dns servers don't change.)
[05:03] <doctor_salvia> IIIEars: ahh but i have....  and lol well... nothing SEES the router.. i cant even find the dhcp server if i tried...
[05:03] <BRKN_LDR> ^thehatsrule^ can i just change default to whatever entry it is?
[05:04] <^thehatsrule^> yea you can
[05:04] <jasoncohen> BRKN_LDR, just change the default to whateer you want. it's very simple to use
[05:04] <doctor_salvia> IIIEars: i had static ip's set and i cant see the router... i tried 192.168.0.1
[05:04] <jasoncohen> it's in  system > administration > system startup settings
[05:04] <patrickj> ok, the Win32 codecs?
[05:05] <Geoffrian> I have a question about runlevels.  Can anyone help???
[05:05] <patrickj> also is it safe to resize my linux partition in Partition Magic 8.0?
[05:05] <patrickj> I wanna add to it
[05:05] <signbarn> patrickj: those and the gstreamer, lame, sox, etc.
[05:05] <patrickj> take from my windows partition and add to linux
[05:05] <jasoncohen> patrickj, you want w32codecs
[05:06] <jasoncohen> !multimedia
[05:06] <ubotu> methinks multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[05:06] <patrickj> kk
[05:06] <IIIEars> doctor_saliva - Okay - guess you know i'll keep my day job instead of being a guru. - (sheepish grin)  - still wondering why you can't define static addresses/and add dns server addresses  for second router and equipment.
[05:06] <jasoncohen> patrickj, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[05:06] <patrickj> lol ok
[05:06] <Geoffrian> When Ubuntu loads it loads a lot of programs and modules I do not use such as CUPS, crons,.....  How do I disable certain things on bootup?
[05:06] <jasoncohen> Geoffrian, sudo apt-get install rcconf, uncheck the ones you don't want starting on boot
[05:07] <jasoncohen> by running sudo rcconf
[05:07] <patrickj> is there any way to add transparency to my windows and stuff like that?
[05:07] <patrickj> to the terminal?
[05:07] <jasoncohen> or you can install bum from ubuntuguide instructions
[05:07] <mattt> does ubuntu have a service manager aka redhat's chkconfig and gentoo's rc-update?
[05:07] <patrickj> mainly the terminal
[05:07] <Geoffrian> Thank you very much.  Comming to this chat room is far more valuable than all other resources.
[05:07] <jasoncohen> patrickj, yes
[05:07] <bob2> mattt: update-rc.d
[05:07] <mattt> bob2:  xxxcellent
[05:07] <jasoncohen> Geoffrian, np
[05:08] <jasoncohen> Geoffrian, bum (boot up manager) is graphical and gives descriptions of the services
[05:08] <jasoncohen> Geoffrian, http://ubuntuguide.org/#bum
[05:08] <patrickj> how?
[05:08] <signbarn> the transparency on the terminal that i got only loads a crop of the background, so it doesn't show me other windows underneath
[05:08] <Computer__Guru> i had to reboot to fix it :-\
[05:08] <Computer__Guru> must be shitty ati drivers or something
[05:09] <jmspeex> Anyone else have firefox buggy as hell?
[05:09] <jmspeex> with 5.04
[05:09] <doctor_salvia> IIIEars: well i have no idea what the ip address of the router is
[05:09] <Computer__Guru> nah firefox works great for me :)
[05:09] <umarmung> jmspeex: look at topic
[05:09] <patrickj> how can I add windowfx like transparency for using terminal on desktop
[05:09] <doctor_salvia> IIIEars: and i need that before i can set the dns server
[05:09] <signbarn> patrickj: in your terminal window: edit -> current profile, then go to the effects tab
[05:09] <benwc> Not syncing VFS Unable to mount root fs on unknown block    <-- this is a bad kernel build correct :P
[05:09] <jasoncohen> Computer__Guru, what's te problem?
[05:09] <signbarn> patrickj: not familiar with windowfx like transparency
[05:10] <jmspeex> umarmung: oops :-)
[05:10] <jmspeex> umarmung: any plan on fixing this soon?
[05:10] <Computer__Guru> jasoncohen: mplayer breaks after a while, have to reboot to get it to work again
[05:10] <benwc> chillywilly are you here?
[05:10] <umarmung> jmspeex: no idea, i was lucky enough to see this BEFORE i updated :)
[05:11] <patrickj> cool, thanks
[05:11] <patrickj> i have to work now, cya and thanks for support
[05:11] <jasoncohen> Computer__Guru, what's the error?
[05:12] <jmspeex> Also, any idea why my compactflash/pccard (hde) doesn't get appear automatically with the removable media manager, while the usb stuff does?
[05:12] <Computer__Guru> jasoncohen: says that the video output method isnt appropriate for the codec... but its bs cause it works just fine... anyways something got stuck somewhere.. probably an old file descriptor or something
[05:12] <nJess> what would i use to write code in basic in ubuntu?
[05:12] <Computer__Guru> in basic?
[05:13] <signbarn> BASIC? whyfor?
[05:13] <Computer__Guru> i wouldnt know
[05:13] <jmspeex> nJess: try kdevelop
[05:13] <Computer__Guru> start with python, or ruby
[05:13] <jmspeex> nJess: or do you mean to compile?
[05:13] <jasoncohen> Computer__Guru, have you tried purging mplayer to make sure it's not a configuration problem?
[05:13] <signbarn> or interpret?
[05:13] <Computer__Guru> jasoncohen: oh yeah... but its not a config problem trust me.. it works fine for a while, and without changing anything, it arbitrarily kills itself
[05:14] <Computer__Guru> i think the problem, actually, is the screen saver, which i just disabled
[05:14] <nJess> jmspeex, yes, compile
[05:14] <nJess> oh
[05:14] <BRKN_LDR> praise be to speex
[05:14] <nJess> and i want to play with BASIC just because
[05:14] <nJess> leave me alone
[05:14] <nJess> :P
[05:14] <BRKN_LDR> basic is fun.  when i was in 7th grade i made some cool card games with it.
[05:15] <BRKN_LDR> i even made little games where weird ascii characters could move around the screen and "shoot" each other.
[05:15] <BRKN_LDR> then i got into C++ and i was like, "what?!  no line numbers?  how is that possible?!"
[05:15] <thoreauputic> nJess: BASIC will wreck you for any decent language you might want to learn later ( just a warning)
[05:16] <signbarn> yes, i would suggest you GOTO java or c++
[05:16] <nJess> i already know basic
[05:16] <benwc> goto line 10
[05:16] <nJess> please stop with the suggestions, i just want a program i can write basic in, really
[05:16] <nJess> :P
[05:16] <thoreauputic> nJess: then there's no hope for you ;-)
[05:16] <benwc> loop data blah ;)
[05:16] <signbarn> does mono do VB.NET?
[05:17] <nJess> benwc
[05:17] <signbarn> there's a mono IDE, right?
[05:17] <benwc> Not syncing VFS Unable to mount root fs on unknown block   (0,0)   <-- what did i compile wrong?
[05:17] <nJess> 10 print "PENIS"
[05:17] <nJess> 20 goto 10
[05:17] <benwc> nJess I used to program Basic on an Atari 400
[05:17] <Computer__Guru> how do i set no screensaver in kde? there's no option for none
[05:17] <nJess> hehe
[05:18] <thoreauputic> nJess: there's a thing called GAMBAS - "Gambas is AlMost BASIC"
[05:18] <nJess> k
[05:18] <nJess> that was...almost....amusing
[05:18] <JzE> Guys.. How do mount a floppy?
[05:18] <doctor_salvia> die
[05:18] <tritium> nJess, no more of that please
[05:18] <doctor_salvia> thats how
[05:19] <doctor_salvia> lol
[05:19] <doctor_salvia> jk
[05:19] <thoreauputic> nJess: in case you missed it >>  nJess: there's a thing called GAMBAS - "Gambas is AlMost BASIC"
[05:19] <nJess> i said k
[05:19] <Jet2k5> oi?
[05:19] <benwc> basic is like windows batch files
[05:19] <mitochondyu> can someone help me..is pretty easy
[05:20] <Computer__Guru> how do i set no screensaver in kde? there's no option for 'none'
[05:20] <Jet2k5> Guys who can I talk to about being a mod on the forums?
[05:20] <signbarn> i'm going to go pull my hair out and reinstall ubuntu again and hope this mounting problem doesn't happen again -- or at least try to figure out what causes it. see y'all later! :-)
[05:20] <benwc> why does it take an hour to compile a kernel?
[05:20] <Jet2k5> Computer__Guru: you are a guru but you don't know how to fix that n00b problem?
[05:20] <Jet2k5> benwc: slow processor?
[05:20] <benwc> 2200 amd
[05:20] <Jet2k5> Computer__Guru: check KDE Control, there should be an option there
[05:20] <benwc> 2gig ram
[05:20] <mattr> benwc: lots of stuff to compile
[05:20] <Jet2k5> benwc: yeah that's slow
[05:20] <JzE> How do I mount a floppy driver??
[05:21] <mitochondyu> i setup a virtual resolution of 1024x1536...the question is how to scroll up and down the screen without using the mouse cursor...maybe i can use the wheel???possible?
[05:21] <Jet2k5> benwc: no offence
[05:21] <benwc> I think I need to strip stuff out
[05:21] <Jet2k5> benwc: it takes about 45 minutes with my Pentium 4 2.0GHz
[05:21] <Jet2k5> benwc: not really
[05:21] <Jet2k5> benwc: unless you are sure of what you don't need :P
[05:21] <thoreauputic> JzE: mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0
[05:21] <Computer__Guru> Jet2k5: Youc an set a screensaver. You cannot completely *unset* it. you can just tell it not to automatically start, which is fine EXCEPT for when you lock your screen, then it invokes the screensaver. It's not a n00b problem, and condescending attitudes don't get you far around here, asshole.
[05:22] <mitochondyu> is there someone here free to help me plz?
[05:22] <thoreauputic> JzE: assuming the file system is vfat of course
[05:22] <benwc> Jet2k5 yeah about that.. seems like forever though
[05:22] <Jet2k5> Computer__Guru: ok dude I was just kidding but, that's ok suit yourself
[05:22] <mattr> Computer__Guru: you can't set "no screensaver", sorry
[05:22] <Jet2k5> benwc: benwc what config do you have?
[05:22] <Jet2k5> ty mattr
[05:22] <benwc> my kernel puked
[05:22] <benwc> Not syncing VFS Unable to mount root fs on unknown block   (0,0)
[05:23] <JzE> Umm.. I don't know =/
[05:23] <mattr> Computer__Guru: please file a wishlist request at bugs.kde.org requesting such a feature
[05:23] <benwc> Jet2k5 2.6.10
[05:23] <Jet2k5> benwc: are you building one from scratch?
[05:23] <Computer__Guru> mattr: when you first setup kde, it's setup with 'no screensaver'.. i wish to return to that state without having to resetup kde.. im sure it's in a config file, ill find it
[05:23] <Computer__Guru> mattr: I intend to :D
[05:23] <thoreauputic> Computer__Guru: personally I just turned off the KDE screensaver and put a one line script in ~/.kde/Autostart to fire up xscreensaver
[05:23] <benwc> Jet2k5 yes, I'm trying to install the ip_alias mod  have been for over 4 hours now :(
[05:24] <Jet2k5> benwc: are you familiar with kernel compiles?  It's not an easy thing building one from scratch.  It's best to have a good working config, and then strip that down to suit your needs
[05:24] <mitochondyu> HELP!~~
[05:24] <mitochondyu> i setup a virtual resolution of 1024x1536...the question is how to scroll up and down the screen without using the mouse cursor...maybe i can use the wheel???possible?
[05:24] <thoreauputic> Computer__Guru: then you can use the xscreensaver-command -throttle to turn it off at will without breaking the locking functions
[05:24] <jmspeex> nJess: I don't know of any Linux Basic compiler, i.e. most open-source developers aren't insane enough.
[05:24] <mattr> mitochondyu: i'm not aware of a case where it's possible, no
[05:24] <Computer__Guru> thoreauputic: how do you turn it off? screw xscreensaver, i'm fine with the power-cut apmd does on its own after 20 minutes of inactivity.. the screensaver is killing my ati drivers, and i lose mplayer every couple of days to odd decoder errors
[05:24] <benwc> Jet2k5  nope totally green in the compiling kernel area ;)
[05:24] <benwc> where can I get a good config?
[05:24] <mitochondyu> :( thanks
[05:25] <Computer__Guru> and then i have to reboot
[05:25] <mitochondyu> mattr
[05:25] <Computer__Guru> and i hate rebooting
[05:25] <Jet2k5> benwc: I"m not sure about Ubuntu
[05:25] <Jet2k5> since I hear they don't provide a kernel source
[05:25] <digitalfox> Ctrl+Alt+Bkspc shouldn't be enabled by default.
[05:25] <thoreauputic> Computer__Guru: I'm not in KDE ATM, (fluxbox) - but I seem to recall turning it off in kcontrol
[05:25] <benwc> are you a debian user?
[05:25] <Jet2k5> benwc: let me look
[05:25] <jmspeex> nJess: but you could probably write one in C++ ;-)
[05:25] <Jet2k5> benwc: Just started using Ubuntu
[05:25] <Computer__Guru> if it's there, it's not uder screensaver :D
[05:25] <mattr> Computer__Guru: see kdesktoprc
[05:25] <Computer__Guru> ill go look
[05:26] <benwc> me too
[05:26] <mattr> Computer__Guru: in the ScreenSaver section
[05:26] <benwc> still a noob after a few years of playing w/ nix
[05:26] <Jet2k5> benwc: are you compiling a kernel the normal way, or the " debian " way?
[05:26] <Computer__Guru> mattr: I love you.
[05:26] <mattr> Computer__Guru: i imagine you can delete the Saver entry and get "no screensaver"
[05:27] <JzE> thoreauputic: Ummm... I think that didn't work
[05:27] <Computer__Guru> yeah, that's EXACTLY what I was looking for :)
[05:27] <mattr> heh
[05:27] <Computer__Guru> relogging, brb
[05:27] <benwc> Jet2k5  I did https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelHowto?highlight=%28recompile%29
[05:27] <thoreauputic> JzE: try it with 'sudo" prepended - and check you /etc/fstab line for the floppy
[05:28] <BRKN_LDR> where is the ubuntu equivalent of rc.modules?
[05:28] <BRKN_LDR> i stupidly uninstalled the realtime-lsm module and now i can't get it back up.
[05:28] <thoreauputic> BRKN_LDR: put it in /etc/modules on its own line
[05:29] <Jet2k5> benwc: hmm
[05:29] <Jet2k5> benwc: I can't find the config for Ubuntu's kernel
[05:29] <Computer__Guru> mattr: that was exactly right
[05:29] <benwc> the one I created is crap... it does not boot
[05:29] <Jet2k5> benwc: post your error again please
[05:29] <thoreauputic> BRKN_LDR: and to get it temporarily you can do "sudo modprobe <modulename>"
[05:29] <benwc> Not syncing VFS Unable to mount root fs on unknown block   (0,0)
[05:30] <BRKN_LDR> i think the module is called realtime-lsm
[05:30] <BRKN_LDR> thanks
[05:30] <mattr> ok, so i'm running breezy and xutils doesn't seem to install xmkmf like packages.ubuntu.com says it should. Do i just need to wait until later for a package to get rebuilt in to the archives?
[05:30] <Computer__Guru> you could use the one from hoary if its available
[05:30] <Computer__Guru> and compatible
[05:30] <patrickj> ello again
[05:30] <Computer__Guru> i wouldnt run breezy yet.. esp since they say its way far from ready
[05:31] <mattr> Computer__Guru: i hope nothing's changed in xmkmf between 6.8.1 and 6.8.2 :)
[05:31] <mattr> the amd64 support is too much improved for me to go back, and i want gcc 4.0.x
[05:31] <Jet2k5> benwc: look over your kernel config for the file system support make sure that you have a couple there
[05:31] <lexhider> mattr: X is broken in breezy
[05:32] <JzE> thoreauputic: There is a /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 line in fstab
[05:32] <mitochondyu> HELP~~ me plz
[05:32] <JzE> This means that it is mounted?
[05:32] <benwc> Jet2k5  the one in /boot
[05:32] <Computer__Guru> ah true
[05:32] <thoreauputic> JzE: no, it means it knows where to mount it
[05:32] <mitochondyu> how can i scroll through the virtual resolution without using the cursor? maybe can set to use the wheel?
[05:32] <mattr> lexhider: *shrug* k, i'll wait
[05:33] <patrickj> okay im about to install bluefish and i was just wondering, when im compiling software. what directory should I have it under, ex. should i make a build directory or anything?
[05:33] <thoreauputic> JzE: /media/floppy0 is where you expect to find the comntents after mounting it
[05:33] <Jet2k5> benwc: no the one when you do " make menuconfig
[05:33] <thoreauputic> *contents
[05:33] <Jet2k5> benwc: or make xconfi if you use that one
[05:34] <benwc> Jet2k5 no desktop installed just cmd line
[05:34] <Jet2k5> benwc: how did you end up there?
[05:35] <benwc> Jet2k5 only serving websites
[05:35] <JzE> thoreauputic: I try to mount it with su root
[05:35] <JzE> ops
[05:35] <tritium> JzE, yes?
[05:35] <JzE> I try to mount it with the command you gave but nothing happens =/
[05:35] <thoreauputic> JzE: no, use sudo - su root won't work unless you created a root user
[05:35] <Jet2k5> benwc: ah
[05:36] <Jet2k5> benwc: what's wrong with the current kernel?
[05:36] <patrickj> okay im about to install bluefish and i was just wondering, when im compiling software. what directory should I have it under, ex. should i make a build directory or anything?
[05:36] <benwc> tring to bind all my new IPs to one nic
[05:36] <Jet2k5> patrickj: no, it can go anywhere you want
[05:36] <Jet2k5> patrickj: if you are building it from source put in in /home/user
[05:36] <benwc> Jet2k5 I need to install the ip_alias module
[05:36] <JzE> Umm.. Should I be able to write more things to terminal after I write the command?
[05:36] <thoreauputic> patrickj: you can make a build dir in your home directory
[05:37] <benwc> Jet2k5 the only way to it , i guess, is to build a new kernel w/ the option flag
[05:37] <thoreauputic> JzE: what command?
[05:37] <Jet2k5> benwc: yeah, you see though it's pretty hard making a kernel from scratch
[05:37] <Computer__Guru> DAMNIT
[05:37] <JzE> sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0
[05:37] <Computer__Guru> I have NINETY-SIX percent of this movie, and there are zero seeders
[05:37] <Computer__Guru> brb
[05:37] <Jet2k5> I've tried and tried but couldn't get it, I've always had to use an existing config
[05:38] <benwc> Jet2k5 I am learning that as the hours dwindle away ;)
[05:38] <thoreauputic> JzE: it should return to the prompt silently
[05:38] <JzE> but it doesn't :/
[05:38] <Jet2k5> benwc: you need to get your hand on a kernel config
[05:38] <thoreauputic> JzE: what *does* it do then?
[05:38] <IIIEars> 96% boy gets girl boy loses girl - pfft... poor computer guy
[05:38] <Jet2k5> benwc: search the web for a working Ubuntu kernel config
[05:38] <JzE> When I give the password it just kinda freezes
[05:38] <benwc> is there an easy way to recompile my working w/ the ip_alias mod insalled?
[05:39] <JzE> There is a blinking black cursor thingy
[05:39] <thoreauputic> JzE: you give it *your* user password
[05:39] <JzE> i know
[05:39] <JzE> But after I have given the password
[05:39] <tritium> Computer__Guru, please don't discuss stolen movies here.  Thanks.
[05:39] <Computer__Guru> yah yah, gotchya
[05:39] <Jet2k5> benwc: yes , all you need is that kernel config.  A working one.  All you would do is use that and then add the option to compile the module
[05:40] <Jet2k5> benwc: I'm sort of shocked that Ubuntu doesn't ship out with a .config
[05:40] <Computer__Guru> how do you know im not talking about fahrenheit 9/11? Michael Moore gave 100% permission to download it at a press conference. He said just dont sell it, and you're cool
[05:40] <tritium> Jet2k5, the .config files are in /boot
[05:40] <Computer__Guru> but ill shutup now
[05:40] <Computer__Guru> ;)
[05:40] <brigade> Michael Moore is gay
[05:40] <Jet2k5> tritium: is that for debian?
[05:41] <lexhider> /boot/config* ?
[05:41] <IIIEars> computer guy -erm - good idea to quit while you are ahead...
[05:41] <Madpilot> evening all
[05:41] <tritium> Jet2k5, for ubuntu kernels
[05:41] <benwc> config-2.6.10-5-386 is in /boot
[05:41] <Jet2k5> tritium: heh stupid me
[05:41] <Jet2k5> benwc: that's the one
[05:41] <Jet2k5> copy that and put it in the folder where you are compiling the kernel from
[05:41] <benwc> I don't know how to install a mod though... any hints ;)
[05:42] <Jet2k5> benwc: look for it , and then make it a module or compile it into the kernel
[05:42] <Jet2k5> either a <M> for module
[05:42] <Jet2k5> or <*> to be compiled
[05:43] <benwc> ok
[05:43] <patrickj> how can I get it so Firestarter goes at startup?
[05:44] <IIIEars> Jet2k5 - do you have a link to a site that will help thin out needed/uneeded modules before compiling?
[05:44] <thoreauputic> patrickj: it starts by default - you just don't see the GUI unless you call it
[05:44] <IIIEars> Jet2k5, - what is actually used and what is fluff.
[05:44] <patrickj> well because whenever Itry to start it, it says I dont have permissions to
[05:45] <Madpilot> patrickj: "sudo firestarter" instead of just "firestarter"
[05:45] <thoreauputic> patrickj: open /etc/init.d/firestarter  and you'll see that it does start; you are confusing the underlying function with the GUI
[05:45] <Jet2k5> IIIEars: just trial and error
[05:45] <patrickj> lol ok
[05:45] <Jet2k5> IIIEars: I pretty much just looked around the confi file and took stuff I didn't need
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Anyone use xplanet?
[05:45] <Jet2k5> IIIEars: for example nvidia drivers when I use an ATI card.  Stuff like that
[05:46] <IIIEars> jet2k5 - okay did that and was added to guiness for "Worrld's Largest ever compiled krnel."
[05:46] <thoreauputic> patrickj: firestarter is just a front-end for iptables
[05:46] <Jet2k5> IIIEars: heh don't worry it's big
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Just ran an apt-get on it and the images and Can't seem to get it to run with the default config file
[05:46] <Jet2k5> IIIEars: when I first started compiling kernels was when I started using ArchLinux
[05:46] <Jet2k5> I took me about 1 hour and 30 mintues to compile kernels
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Or at least it's running but nothing impressive is happening other than my job count going up :-)
[05:46] <Jet2k5> last time it only took me about 35 :)
[05:46] <patrickj> oh i see :d
[05:47] <patrickj> is it safe to resize my main linux partition in part magic 8
[05:47] <patrickj> and also I have 768 MB of ram, what size should my swap part be?
[05:47] <jblu> hi all, can bootcd be used for Ubuntu or just Debian? thnx
[05:48] <Jet2k5> patrickj: yes it safe, and that much ram I wouldn't really worry about making a swap
[05:48] <Jet2k5> patrickj: I would go with abou 250MB swap, if you want to be safe
[05:48] <brigade> I always make my swap 1.5 times my amount of ram
[05:48] <Jet2k5> dpepends if you ever use it
[05:48] <brigade> if you can spare the space
[05:48] <Jet2k5> yeah
[05:48] <thoreauputic> patrickj: with that much RAM, swap of about 500MB should be fine, unless you do heavy video editing or something
[05:49] <Jet2k5> patrickj: in theory you don't need it if you have more that 1GB of ram
[05:49] <thoreauputic> yeah, even 250 would do
[05:49] <benwc> Jet2k5 I don't see ip_alias in menuconfig
[05:49] <tritium> patrickj, if you intend to suspend-to-ram, make the swap as large as your ram
[05:49] <benwc> any ideas?
[05:49] <IIIEars> Jet2K5 - would you be willing to pastebin.org or email a copy of YOUR config as a sample of what to do right? - I'll send you mine for great laughs at parties. - lol
[05:49] <Jet2k5> benwc: you sure it's a not a patch?
[05:49] <jasoncohen> doe it matter how large the swap is in proportion to RAM for suspending to disk?
[05:50] <Jet2k5> IIIEars: darn sorry dude I dont' have arch installed anymore, replace by my Ubuntu box :X
[05:50] <jasoncohen> suspending to disk doesn't work on my dell inspiron 8200. i have 640 MB of RAM and only 300 or so MB of swap
[05:50] <benwc> Jet2k5 I'm a super kernel noob... If it were how do I know?
[05:50] <IIIEars> Aw. okay. - Need a laugh? - hehe
[05:50] <benwc> Every site said compile ip_alias into my kernel
[05:50] <tritium> jasoncohen, yes, that's likely why
[05:50] <Jet2k5> IIIEars: sure
[05:50] <jasoncohen> benwc, what are you trying to do?
[05:50] <Jet2k5> benwc: hmmm
[05:50] <gm78> Hey all. There is a command that allows all users to access the x server....i need this so i can run mythtv setup as user mythtv. does anyone know what this command is?
[05:50] <Jet2k5> jasoncohen: get ip_alias on his system
[05:51] <jasoncohen> tritium, doesn't it take what's on the RAM and store it on your HD? why does it matter how much swap i have for that>?
[05:51] <jasoncohen> Mem:    646316k total,
[05:51] <jasoncohen> Swap:   248996k total,
[05:51] <IIIEars> aw nvm - It just isn't that funny.
[05:51] <jasoncohen> guess it's even less than i thought
[05:51] <tritium> jasoncohen, it uses the swap space to store it
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> gm78, I just tried to install mythtv tonight ... it keeps dying during at script in apt-get install
[05:51] <jasoncohen> hmm, then that would explain it, heh
[05:51] <patrickj> well I need to check how bit my swap it
[05:51] <benwc> jasoncohen I'm tring to install ip_alias so I can bind multiple IPs to my nic
[05:51] <jblu> is there an IRC of Ubuntu off topic?
[05:51] <tritium> jblu, #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:51] <jasoncohen> benwc, what's the problem?
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> and complains about running as root@localhost
[05:52] <gm78> nomasteryoda, it installed for me, which servers are you using?
[05:52] <jblu> thmx
[05:52] <jasoncohen> tritium, thanks, i suspected that was the problem
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> gm78, just a sec
[05:52] <Jet2k5> tritium: are you a mod?
[05:52] <tritium> jasoncohen, yeah, sorry to hear that
[05:52] <tritium> Jet2k5, a mod?
[05:52] <thoreauputic> patrickj: run "top" in a terminal and read the swap
[05:52] <Jet2k5> tritium: moderator
[05:52] <Jet2k5> tritium: developer
[05:52] <Jet2k5> tritium: contributer
[05:52] <Jet2k5> tritium: package maintainer
[05:53] <benwc> jasoncohen I don't know how to get ip_alias into my kernel
[05:53] <patrickj> /dev/hda1   *           1        4354    34973473+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[05:53] <patrickj> /dev/hda2            4355        4839     3895762+  83  Linux
[05:53] <patrickj> /dev/hda3            4840        4865      208845    5  Extended
[05:53] <patrickj> /dev/hda5            4840        4865      208813+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[05:53] <tritium> Jet2k5, not a moderator of anything, but I'm an motu
[05:53] <IIIEars> ubotu pastebin
[05:53] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[05:53] <jasoncohen> benwc, download the source, make && make install && modprobe ip_alias ?
[05:53] <tritium> But I've been rather inactive the past few months due to other obligations
[05:53] <benwc> http://home.pacific.net.sg/~harish/linuxipalias.html
[05:54] <qt2> anyone here familiar with ipodder?
[05:54] <Jet2k5> tritium: aye
[05:54] <tritium> :)
[05:54] <Jet2k5> meh i want to be a mod of the amd64 forums
[05:54] <Jet2k5> don't know who I sould contact
[05:55] <Jet2k5> should **
[05:55] <tritium> I'm not involved with the forums at all.  Sorry...
[05:55] <jasoncohen> benwc, damn that howto is from kernel 2.0.* . you sure those instructions are even correct?
[05:55] <jasoncohen> for 2.6
[05:55] <Jet2k5> tritium: :(
[05:55] <patrickj> is that the right size?
[05:55] <benwc> jasoncohen you make it sound so easy. I have no idea where to get the darn thing
[05:55] <jasoncohen> benwc, are you sure it's even a module anymore
[05:56] <jasoncohen> the functionality is probably built into the kernel
[05:56] <benwc> 2.6 does not seem to have the option
[05:56] <jasoncohen> or the module name changed
[05:56] <Jet2k5> jasoncohen: that's what I"m suspecting
[05:56] <Jet2k5> google doesn't come up with anything
[05:56] <jasoncohen> benwc, have you tried following the instructions as if the module was loaded?
[05:56] <jasoncohen> i suspect there is no module- it was just included in the kernel directly
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> gm78, look at this list... http://rafb.net/paste/results/6hk55E22.html
[05:56] <benwc> jasoncohen yes
[05:56] <benwc> I get
[05:57] <benwc> fatal error
[05:57] <jasoncohen> tritium, do i need swap=ram?
[05:57] <tritium> jasoncohen, yes, or a little larger would be good to be safe
[05:57] <benwc> is there another way to support more than one external IP
[05:58] <thoreauputic> patrickj: basically, if everything is running well, leave your swap partition alone
[05:58] <jasoncohen> tritium, any way to live resize a ext3 partition?
[05:58] <patrickj> lol ok well it is i guess....
[05:58] <gm78> nomasteryoda, u r using the US servers, which are broken for some packages. u can switch to the canadian servers by changing us to ca at the beginning of the URLs
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> oh
[05:58] <thoreauputic> patrickj: with 768MB RAM, it just isn't an issue
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> ca...kool
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> thanks for the info
[05:58] <NuuB> where in the file system is ubuntu hiding all the perl modules? (i tried a "find / LWP" and found squat when i know its there... somewhere)
[05:58] <patrickj> it says its only 200 megs, also i tried to play music in XMMS and it just froze..
[05:58] <tritium> jasoncohen, possibly with resize2fs
[05:59] <thoreauputic> patrickj: the xmms freeze is nothing to do with it
[05:59] <thoreauputic> patrickj: in xmms options - prefs  set output plugin to esound
[05:59] <D1> grr
[05:59] <tritium> jasoncohen, but I've not tried, so I'm not sure
[05:59] <D1> does anyone know how to disable the totem-mozilla plugin?
[05:59] <thoreauputic> patrickj: then restart your xmms
[05:59] <jasoncohen> tritium, i don't think it works with ext3
[05:59] <tritium> the manpage says it does
[06:00] <patrickj> also I wanna use torsmo
[06:00] <patrickj> is it safe to compile and install under hoary?
[06:00] <patrickj> XMMS just froze up, and I cant close it...
[06:00] <jasoncohen> tritium, " In my tests / was on ext3/lvm that is probably the hardest one to work on since / can't be umounted. The main issue is that no tools are available to perform online resize that actually work (ext2online is not portable and it requires too many hacks to work properly)." from http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallerVolumeManagement
[06:00] <thoreauputic> patrickj: it's in the universe repo
[06:01] <patrickj> how can I install torsmo then?
[06:01] <thoreauputic> patrickj: in a terminal type "pkill xmms "
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> gm78, maybe that will help
[06:01] <tritium> jasoncohen, oh, okay
[06:01] <patrickj> oh and is root-tail in the repo?
[06:01] <thoreauputic> patrickj: enable the universe repo and use synaptic
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> gm78,  though I got to the point where it asked for a root mysql passwd
[06:01] <patrickj> synaptic?
[06:01] <patrickj> lol im linux n00b :d
[06:01] <jasoncohen> tritium, i guess i would have to use the live-cd with gparted
[06:02] <tritium> jasoncohen, that might work.  I've had little success with gparted and qtparted in the past
[06:02] <jasoncohen> tritium, what do you use?
[06:02] <jasoncohen> for partitioning
[06:02] <patrickj> so what command do I use to get torsmo?
[06:02] <jasoncohen> patrickj, sudo apt-get install torsmo
[06:03] <patrickj> and root-tail?
[06:03] <thoreauputic> patrickj: look at ubotu's URLs below... wait a sec
[06:03] <tritium> jasoncohen, just the partitioning tool on the install CD.
[06:03] <jasoncohen> patrickj, huh?
[06:03] <thoreauputic> !synaptic
[06:03] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[06:03] <parabolize> patrickj, synaptic is under system/admin. torsmo command runs torsmo.
[06:03] <nomyoda> gm78, look at my error ... if you please... still getting it  http://rafb.net/paste/results/2d2Toh23.html
[06:03] <thoreauputic> patrickj: torsmo is in universe too
[06:03] <thoreauputic> !repos
[06:03] <ubotu> [repos]  at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:03] <patrickj> i installed it, how to I run it?
[06:04] <jasoncohen> tritium, what happened when you tried using gparted?
[06:04] <parabolize> patrickj, if your in gnome stop nautilus from rendering to desktop it plays with torsmo in unkind ways
[06:04] <thoreauputic> patrickj: try typing "torsmo" in a terminal (I don't know torsmo but that usually would work)
[06:05] <patrickj> yes it does but how do I stop nautilus from rendering to desktop?
[06:05] <tritium> jasoncohen, I don't recall exactly.  It has been a long time since I last tried.  But it didn't resize the partition I tried to resize.
[06:05] <thoreauputic> patrickj: also in gnome root-tail is kind of useless unless you disable the desktop
[06:05] <benwc> chillywilly are you here yet?
[06:05] <jasoncohen> tritium, it's safe to shrink an ext3 partition after it's unmounted, right?
[06:05] <patrickj> yes true but how do I stop nautilus from rendering to desktop
[06:05] <patrickj> ?
[06:05] <patrickj> and where in the panel is torsmo?
[06:06] <jasoncohen> tritium, why can't i have the unmount done before bootup or something like partition magic works
[06:06] <parabolize> patrickj, its a option in gconf-editor.
[06:06] <tritium> jasoncohen, what do you mean?
[06:06] <pking1977> the x86 cd for ubuntu should work on and amd XP processer.. Correct?
[06:06] <patrickj> umm....
[06:06] <parabolize> patrickj, it won't add to panel.
[06:06] <thoreauputic> patrickj: I'm in the fluxbox window manager atm so I can't look - someone else might know
[06:06] <patrickj> wut is nautilus?
[06:06] <patrickj> is openbox any good
[06:06] <patrickj> ?
[06:06] <gm78> nomyoda, sorry....left the room to make a coffee, give me a second
[06:06] <D1> hmm, totem-xine in backports is built with gstreamer
[06:06] <thr1ce> pking1977: of course...that is i686 isn't it?
[06:06] <digitalfox> patrickj, I prefer fluxbox
[06:06] <parabolize> patrickj, add it to your start up programs
[06:06] <digitalfox> patrickj, by far
[06:07] <jasmuz> pking1977: yes....but i recommend you upgrade to a k7 kernel so ir works nicer
[06:07] <patrickj> hmm is flux really good?
[06:07] <benwc> anyone here host w/ ubuntu?
[06:07] <parabolize> patrickj, openbox!
[06:07] <jasoncohen> tritium, partition magic will resize a partition that it can't unmount after a reboot before it's mounted
[06:07] <benwc> anyone here host websites w/ ubuntu?
[06:07] <jasoncohen> so that you don't have this issue
[06:07] <parabolize> :P
[06:07] <tritium> jasoncohen, oh, I've never used it
[06:07] <thoreauputic> patrickj: go to http://xwinman and have a browse around
[06:07] <patrickj> well I want to install openbox and use it instead of gnome ;p
[06:08] <thoreauputic> sorry  http://xwinman.org
[06:08] <thr1ce> why openbox?
[06:08] <thr1ce> use flux
[06:08] <patrickj> okay flux it is :d
[06:08] <abofaisal> I have a fresh install of Ubuntu and any GTK apps are crashing; gnome refuses to start.  I installed Kubuntu desktop and KDE and all K apps are fine, just gtk ones won't start.  Any ideas what's wrong?
[06:08] <patrickj> now, how can I get fluxbox installed?
[06:09] <robotgeek> patrickj, apt-get install fluxbox
[06:09] <thr1ce> patrickj: sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[06:09] <thr1ce> but, if you have to ask that...you might want to stick to gnome
[06:09] <patrickj> lol well I can handle it dont worry
[06:09] <robotgeek> patrickj, you might also be interested in openbox!
[06:09] <Computer__Guru> okay okay, everybody calm down
[06:09] <Computer__Guru> it's gonna be okay.. im back now
[06:09] <patrickj> I used to use flux, with FC2 but it was different then ;)
[06:09] <Computer__Guru> whats openbox?
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> gm78, thanks
[06:10] <thr1ce> openbox is flux without tabs
[06:10] <robotgeek> Computer__Guru, openbox is another window manager
[06:10] <parabolize> patrickj, read bottom of page http://torsmo.sourceforge.net/readme.php
[06:10] <gm78> nomasteryoda, did u happen to run apt-get update after editing the file?
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> ya
[06:10] <Computer__Guru> why would you not want tabs?
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> it did so without error
[06:10] <jasmuz> robotgeek: you are doing too much propaganda to openbox
[06:10] <patrickj> okay flux installed, how I make it main WM?
[06:10] <robotgeek> thr1ce, i never understood tabs? why wud it be useful?
[06:11] <gm78> nomasteryoda, apt-get clean???
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> er, no.. that is when error happened
[06:11] <parabolize> patrickj, select it in GDM
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> let me try it
[06:11] <thr1ce> robotgeek: to have 3 aterms in one window?
[06:11] <thr1ce> plus flux is much more customizable
[06:11] <patrickj> lol, gdm?
[06:11] <parabolize> patrickj, that login scren
[06:11] <patrickj> lol
[06:11] <parabolize> screen
[06:11] <robotgeek> can't it just alt-tab thru my aterms?
[06:11] <patrickj> ok one sec
[06:12] <patrickj> brb
[06:12] <thr1ce> robotgeek: and for menu transparency, key binding, shaping window / menu borders...
[06:12] <thoreauputic> robotgeek: sure - it just depends how you prefer to organise things
[06:13] <robotgeek> thr1ce, i don't use menu's anyways. but to each, his own! I have it all bu shortcuts
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> gm78, nah...still same error
[06:13] <thoreauputic> robotgeek: window managers are useful for theoogical arguments ;-)
[06:13] <nomyoda> seems hosed
[06:13] <robotgeek> plus, guys who try to use my computer are always messed up!
[06:13] <thoreauputic> *theological
[06:13] <robotgeek> thoreauputic, like an editors war?
[06:13] <thoreauputic> robotgeek: exactly :)
[06:14] <robotgeek> :)
[06:14] <thr1ce> mm kate =] 
[06:14] <robotgeek> oh crap, i shudn't smile. M$ will sue!
[06:14] <thoreauputic> ed! man ed! ed is the editor!
[06:14] <thoreauputic> robotgeek: haha yeah :  :( (patent pending)
[06:15] <robotgeek> vi forever!
[06:15] <parabolize> robotgeek, lol. widows users hiting the super_L key and geting gmrun. :-)
[06:15] <robotgeek> :))
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> gm78, see the line that says "dpkg-reconfigure --force mythtv-database"
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> gm78, I try to run the command it it runs... but what is the username/password - I got to enter a passwd, but not a username during install
[06:16] <patrickj> back
[06:16] <patrickj> I think i will use openbox indtead
[06:17] <thr1ce> patrickj: don't want menu transparency, nice rounded borders?
[06:17] <patrickj> ?
[06:18] <patrickj> what terminal apps can I get that I always see in these flux screens thats embedded into the desktop?
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> gm78, found this post
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> trying to follow
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2005-February/076482.html
[06:18] <patrickj> and how can I configure resolution and such
[06:18] <thr1ce> borderless aterm, patrickj
[06:18] <IIIEars>   torsmo? system monitor
[06:18] <rob^> patrickj, System -> Preferences -> Screen resolution
[06:18] <thr1ce> you can just set "ToggleDecor" in ~/.fluxbox/keys, then, when pushed, it removes borders from anything
[06:19] <robotgeek> lucky we don't have a distro war here ;-) or do we?
[06:19] <patrickj> im in flux
[06:19] <robotgeek> stupid wireless connections
[06:19] <IIIEars> robotgeek - nah - thought it might be a civilized discussion of the virtues of EMACS?
[06:20] <patrickj> and what terminal should I use?
[06:20] <robotgeek> IIIEars, u mean the editor which needs a foot pedal?
[06:20] <jasoncohen> tritium, the resize appears to be working
[06:20] <tritium> jasoncohen, awesome :)
[06:20] <patrickj> man, nautilus got opened, how do I get rid of it?
[06:21] <jasoncohen> tritium, i'm running off the live-cd now and am resizing /
[06:21] <jasoncohen> the live cd is quite cool :)
[06:21] <jasoncohen> breezy is going to include gparted and other administrative tools
[06:21] <jasoncohen> on the live cd
[06:21] <patrickj> n/m
[06:21] <gm78> nomasteryoda, ur going to have to forgive me, im trying to do a bunch of things at once, i may take a minute to answer
[06:21] <robotgeek> patrickj, open up gconf-editor
[06:21] <tritium> glad it's working for you
[06:21] <nomyoda> gm78, thanks for the effort
[06:21] <thoreauputic> patrickj: I suggest installing rxvt-unicode -it is like aterm but supports utf-8 fonts (which ubuntu uses by default)
[06:21] <gm78> nomasteryoda, i have no clue....did u have mysql set up on the box before?
[06:22] <goodtod> is smeg available on 64 bit?
[06:22] <nomyoda> er, only during this install
[06:22] <nomyoda> let me try to run it
[06:22] <robotgeek> patrickj, err...i don't quite remember what i did there!
[06:22] <thoreauputic> patrickj: to get it to look nice you use various options like "urxvt -tr " for transparency
[06:22] <thr1ce> aterm is the best for customization
[06:22] <patrickj> okay I need torsmo to go on startup
[06:23] <robotgeek> patrickj, put it in your .xsession file
[06:23] <parabolize> patrickj, did you read http://torsmo.sourceforge.net/readme.php ?
[06:23] <thoreauputic> thr1ce: not necessarily - I use aterm but urxvt is very similar
[06:23] <thr1ce> thoreauputic: very true...but I think aterm has a few more options, doesn't it ?
[06:23] <patrickj> which is better, flux or openbox?
[06:23] <robotgeek> :)
[06:23] <parabolize> neather
[06:23] <thr1ce> patrickj: try them both dude
[06:23] <FoamY_is_Drunk> hey peeps whats up ? ^_^
[06:24] <patrickj> lol nah ill stick with flux :p
[06:24] <gm78> nomyoda, no prob....didnt exactly do anything tho :-P why does ur name keep changing
[06:24] <thoreauputic> thr1ce: probably - I think it depends on how it was compiled
[06:24] <FoamY_is_Drunk> cause i'm drunk and i said so ^_^
[06:24] <robotgeek> the part what i liked abt openbox is that i can use it with gnome. I am waiting for network-manager :)
[06:24] <thoreauputic> patrickj: read the docs at http://fluxbox.org   - thay are very useful
[06:24] <nomyoda> gm78, sorry
[06:25] <IIIEars> transparency app for Gnome r KDE?
[06:25] <IIIEars> *or
[06:25] <nomyoda> cause I'm on the ubuntu box with the mythtv i'm tryin tget working
[06:25] <nomyoda> longer name is on my suse box
[06:26] <patrickj> how can I check resolution in Flux
[06:26] <patrickj> ?
[06:26] <thr1ce> edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:26] <robotgeek> openbox + devilspie..way to go!
[06:26] <thoreauputic> patrickj: to just see your resolution you can run xvidtune
[06:27] <Luna> hello all...I need to install xlibs-dev...but I cannot due to the dependancies of zliblg-dev needing an older version of zliblg...any suggestions?
[06:27] <parabolize> patrickj, openbox, torsmo and gnome playing nice with each other: http://users.adelphia.net/~phann8/images/Screenshot2005-06-27.png
[06:27] <patrickj> damm...I need aterm now
[06:27] <robotgeek> :)
[06:28] <patrickj> lol i think I will check out OpenBox
[06:28] <robotgeek> yay!!
[06:28] <thoreauputic> Luna: check your apt sources: xlibs-dev should install fine, so you have some kind of repository conflict
[06:29] <patrickj> whats the panel app?
[06:29] <Luna> thoreauputic: Ermm...sorry to sound a n00b...(I am n00b to ubuntu) how do I check that?
[06:29] <thoreauputic> Luna: the file is /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:29] <robotgeek> for the music thing?
[06:29] <parabolize> patrickj, gnome-panel
[06:30] <patrickj> oh, does it run by default?
[06:30] <qt2> ...ipodder needs a Beep plugin.
[06:30] <parabolize> patrickj, in gnome yes
[06:30] <patrickj> in openbox...
[06:30] <thoreauputic> Luna: you *are* using apt or synaptic, aren't yoU?
[06:30] <parabolize> no
[06:30] <robotgeek> beep..very nice, skips less too
[06:30] <Luna> thoreauputic: synaptic, yes. And what am I looking for in that file?
[06:31] <thoreauputic> Luna: have you enabled any 3rd party repositories?
[06:31] <IIIEars> "A program called 'kicker' is slowing down your machine. It may have a bug that is causing this, or it just may be busy.  Would you like to stop the progem?" - What is kicker?
[06:31] <Luna> thoreauputic: heh..of course.
[06:31] <patrickj> does it go by default in openbox?
[06:31] <thoreauputic> Luna: that's your problem then
[06:32] <parabolize> patrickj, just read http://torsmo.sourceforge.net/readme.php and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34239&highlight=openbox+howto
[06:32] <nomyoda> IIIEars, the taskbar, tray in KDE
[06:32] <Luna> thoreauputic: the only ones are the back-ports and hoary-extras
[06:32] <patrickj> thanks
[06:32] <IIIEars> stop kicker and the tray will refresh itself?
[06:32] <parabolize> patrickj, np
[06:32] <nomyoda> IIIEars,  usually
[06:32] <Grafite> hey guys  i was thinking of using linux instead of windows  is there any tips you could give me
[06:32] <patrickj> btw, linux is the best :d
[06:33] <patrickj> but once again how can I check.change resolution easily?
[06:33] <rob^> Grafite, just do it! :P
[06:33] <patrickj> i need 1280x1024
[06:33] <jasmuz> Grafite: what do you want to learn to do?
[06:33] <thoreauputic> Luna: try commenting them out, reloading, and then try installing xlibs-dev - I expect there's a conflict with newer/older packages
[06:33] <caskey> How do I get the kernel sources to compile modules against?
[06:33] <Grafite> like hardware difficulties etc.
[06:33] <Luna> thoreauputic: I will try that.
[06:33] <vader1102> Graphite:......try the live Ubuntu cd, you will love it
[06:33] <IIIEars> nomyoda - Thanks (crosses fingers holds breath circles chair exactly three times. *click*
[06:33] <Grafite> ok
[06:33] <jasmuz> Grafite: www.linuxquestions/HCL for hardware compability list
[06:33] <Grafite> that gives me a look at wat its like doe it?
[06:34] <thoreauputic> Luna: I suggest only usinf backports if you *absolutely* have to ( say for codecs )
[06:34] <thoreauputic> *using
[06:34] <Grafite> thnx jsmuz
[06:34] <nomyoda> IIIEars, well, you can always do Alt+F then type kicker again
[06:34] <patrickj> brb again
[06:34] <IIIEars> nice tip  :0
[06:34] <parabolize> patrickj, gnome-control-center
[06:34] <nomyoda> welcome
[06:34] <parabolize> to slow
[06:34] <parabolize> :(
[06:34] <IIIEars> :)
[06:34] <qt2> thoreauputic, what's wrong with backports?
[06:34] <robotgeek> thoreauputic, the codecs are only for x86 machines though, right?
[06:34] <jasmuz> Grafite: the Live cd will show you what will work and what wont without having to install
[06:35] <caskey> n/m found it: sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r`
[06:35] <Luna> thoreauputic: Yep..shes installing just fine now. Follow up..are the backposts and extras really even needed ever?
[06:35] <Grafite> ok  i tried that with goblinx
[06:35] <thoreauputic> qt2: nothing as such - but I would comment them out after using them personally
[06:35] <Grafite> and it wouldnt work wid my Sound card
[06:35] <jasmuz> Grafite: what is your soundcard?
[06:35] <thoreauputic> qt2: as you see, it solved the problem for Luna
[06:36] <vader1102> Graphite: I have been using ubuntu for about a week now and I love it
[06:36] <Luna> yes, yes it did. Thanks thoreauputic!
[06:36] <Grafite> Jamuz: its a Maya soundcard..... is that site a .com or .org or wat??
[06:36] <jasmuz> Grafite: .org www.linuxquestions.org
[06:36] <patrickj> ello again
[06:36] <qt2> thoreauputic, *shrug* i never really understood exactly what backports were anyway...
[06:36] <qt2> hm..
[06:36] <vader1102> is it listed in the HCL for ubuntu?
[06:36] <qt2> !backports
[06:36] <ubotu> it has been said that backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[06:36] <patrickj> im in openbox and the panel Is not enabled...
[06:36] <qt2> ;)
[06:37] <Grafite> thnx jas
[06:37] <tritium> nalioth, any luck with the iMac yet?
[06:37] <thoreauputic> robotgeek: yes, w32codecs are x86 only
[06:37] <FoamY_is_Drunk> thoreauputic, hey man whats up?
[06:37] <nalioth> tritium: alas, breezy and fc4 are the only things that'll even boot
[06:37] <nalioth> tritium: and they both miss finding critical hardware
[06:37] <thoreauputic> qt2: in simple terms, newer stuff made to work with the current Hoary
[06:37] <robotgeek> thoreauputic, cool.
[06:38] <nalioth> tritium: like Hard Drives and other trivial stuff like that
[06:38] <tritium> nalioth, darn
[06:38] <ed1t> nalioth, fc is evil!
[06:38] <vader1102> Graphite: the best thing I have found is to sit back and watch the text, I have learned a lot from this channel
[06:38] <thoreauputic> FoamY_is_Drunk: I'm stone cold sober :D
[06:38] <cyphase> hey everyone
[06:38] <Grafite> ok vader
[06:39] <FoamY_is_Drunk> thoreauputic, wow man you should take a break and party and dance man ^_^
[06:39] <parabolize> patrickj, use gnome. replace metacity with openbox. stop nautilus from rendering to desktop
[06:39] <parabolize> grr
[06:39] <thoreauputic> FoamY_is_Drunk: heh - dancing in here would be life-threatening ;)
[06:39] <vader1102> so much in fact that I have figure out how to install and configure a game that I love in Windows called TMW, it was hard to do of course but it works great!
[06:39] <FoamY_is_Drunk> thoreauputic,  ouch ^_^ where the heck are ya
[06:40] <thoreauputic> FoamY_is_Drunk: in a messy room full of hardware :)
[06:40] <Grafite> are there programs to emulate windows so that u can run some windows programs on linux
[06:40] <FoamY_is_Drunk> thoreauputic,  nice my kinda place
[06:40] <IIIEars> win4lin
[06:40] <jasmuz> Grafite: yes
[06:41] <IIIEars> vmware
[06:41] <Grafite> ok kool
[06:41] <vader1102> IIIEars: what is that?
[06:41] <nalioth> Grafite: the most common 'emulater' is called 'wine'
[06:41] <jasmuz> Grafite: what type of software would you need to run?
[06:41] <Grafite> wat are the programs called?/
[06:41] <Grafite> ?
[06:41] <IIIEars> NX box (not really an emulator)
[06:41] <vader1102> ok
[06:41] <Grafite> umm..  i would like to use adobe photoshop and microsoft word
[06:42] <IIIEars> win4lin might be your first stop.
[06:42] <FoamY_is_Drunk> teamspeak server ip is :24.177.160.171:8767 (log in as anonomus
[06:42] <jasmuz> Wine, (programs), Cedega (Games must pay for it), Crossover Office
[06:42] <thoreauputic> Wine Is Not an Emulator  *grin*
[06:42] <IIIEars> cedega for gaming.
[06:42] <Madpilot> does anyone else have a problem with the stability of Ubuntu's default Audio CD Player?
[06:42] <FoamY_is_Drunk> cedega rocks ^_^
[06:42] <rob^> Grafite, Open Office will read/save Microsoft Word docs
[06:42] <Madpilot> in Hoary?
[06:42] <jasmuz> Grafite: man!....why would you need MS Word if you will have OpenOffice as a default
[06:43] <evader> Is there an estimate how long it will be until Breezy is reasonably stable? So that X/Firefox isn't breaking all the time?
[06:43] <jasmuz> Madpilot: you arent the only one
[06:43] <IIIEars> Ah - open office would be better. - missed it.
[06:43] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: I don't use it - I use beep-media-player with digital output
[06:43] <robotgeek> Madpilot, i was with the same problem, Beep-Media-player seems very nice
[06:43] <jasmuz> evader: how about when it goes FINAL
[06:44] <evader> What's the date on that?
[06:44] <thoreauputic> evader: as they say, "when it's ready'
[06:44] <thoreauputic> or RealSoonNow (tm)
[06:44] <jasmuz> evader: Ubuntu uses 6 months releases, next is scheduled to be in October
[06:44] <evader> Thanks
[06:45] <Grafite> hey with ubantu do u have to install the software to upgrade to the latest version?
[06:46] <thoreauputic> Grafite: that's a very unclear question...
[06:47] <thoreauputic> Grafite: Hoary is the current "latest version"
[06:47] <Grafite> k
[06:47] <vader1102> well, time for vader1102 to go nite nite........sleepy time for me, nite all
[06:48] <FoamY_is_Drunk> teamspeak server ip is :24.177.160.171:8767 (log in as anonomus
[06:48] <FoamY_is_Drunk> opps sorry double paste
[06:48] <FoamY_is_Drunk> your all still welcome though
[06:48] <benwc_> anyone know an alternative to the ip_alias mod?
[06:48] <Computer__Guru> you're all
[06:49] <Grafite> brb
[06:50] <FoamY_is_Drunk> IIIEars, hey man whats up?
[06:50] <robotgeek> FoamY_is_Drunk, what's teamspeak?
[06:50] <FoamY_is_Drunk> party at my teamspeak server ^_^
[06:50] <FoamY_is_Drunk> it's a free voice program
[06:50] <thoreauputic> benwc: what are you trying to achieve?
[06:51] <FoamY_is_Drunk> robotgeek, http://www.goteamspeak.com/downloads.php
[06:51] <FoamY_is_Drunk> is where you can get it
[06:51] <FoamY_is_Drunk> for win mac or linux
[06:51] <rob^> whos on teamspeak?
[06:52] <benwc_> thoreauputic	I have 13 IP address an I can only use one right now. I want to bind the others to my nix box
[06:52] <robotgeek> linux ppc, even?
[06:52] <robotgeek> nope :(
[06:52] <FoamY_is_Drunk> maybe
[06:52] <FoamY_is_Drunk> it will work
[06:52] <FoamY_is_Drunk> you won't know unless you try
[06:53] <thoreauputic> benwc_: ah I see - that's beyond my level, i fear
[06:53] <benwc_> thx thoreauputic
[06:53] <benwc_> any network gods here?
[06:54] <rob^> depends..
[06:54] <benwc_> !search network god
[06:54] <ubotu> benwc_: I don't know, could you explain it?
[06:54] <benwc_> heh
[06:54] <benwc_> I have 13 IP address an I can only use one right now. I want to bind the others to my nix box
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> gm78, thanks... giving up for now...time to play a game
[06:55] <benwc_> 67.53.91.114/126
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> will do more tomorrow
[06:55] <Grafite> is ubantu better than say mandriva or suse?
[06:55] <robotgeek> Grafite, yup
[06:55] <hondje> better is subjective
[06:55] <rob^> Grafite, each has its good and bad points
[06:55] <robotgeek> thoughm i havent used any others than ubuntu . lol!
[06:56] <thoreauputic> Grafite: try them and decide for yourself :)
[06:56] <benwc_> ubontu I want to point enable 115 - 126
[06:56] <Madpilot> this is the #ubuntu channel, we're not terribly objective ;)
[06:56] <Grafite> yeh but i dont have the time to install one try it and then uninstall it etc..
[06:57] <rob^> Grafite, just grab the Ubuntu Live cd then
[06:57] <rob^> stick it into your cdrom, reboot computer
[06:57] <Grafite> will do
[06:57] <rob^> too easy really.
[06:57] <thoreauputic> Grafite: well, if you ask that question in #ubuntu, we will all swear ubuntu is the best of course ;)
[06:57] <Grafite> lol
[06:57] <FoamY_is_Drunk> UBUNTU IS THE BEST ^_^
[06:58] <FoamY_is_Drunk> sorry for caps
[06:58] <robotgeek> ur drunk, it's all right!
[06:58] <Madpilot> FoamY_is_Drunk: should you drink and post? ;)
[06:58] <FoamY_is_Drunk> Madpilot, you know i don't know ^_^
[06:59] <FoamY_is_Drunk> Madpilot, is that illegal O_o
[06:59] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: yet another argument in favour of sudo: running as root when drunk... ;-)
[06:59] <FoamY_is_Drunk> thoreauputic, i don't run as root unless all else fails
[06:59] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: ROFL... add that to the wiki, please!
[07:00] <thoreauputic> FoamY_is_Drunk: wise man :)
[07:00] <benwc> ubotu any ideas?
[07:00] <ubotu> benwc: I don't know, could you explain it?
[07:00] <Madpilot> benwc: you do know that uBOTu is a bot, don't you?
[07:00] <FoamY_is_Drunk> ubotu hi
[07:00] <ubotu> hola, foamy_is_drunk
[07:00] <benwc> ah foo :P
[07:00] <thoreauputic> benwc: a bit desperate talking to the channel bot :)
[07:00] <benwc> I am  I neeeed help :(
[07:01] <benwc> 7am til 12 am so far
[07:01] <FoamY_is_Drunk> !offtopic
[07:01] <ubotu> FoamY_is_Drunk: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:01] <FoamY_is_Drunk> >.< where is the ubuntu off topic channel?
[07:01] <thoreauputic> #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:02] <benwc> thoreauputic nay ideas?
[07:02] <Ninwa> uboto, it's smaller than a microwave.
[07:02] <benwc> oh nm
[07:02] <benwc> I fogot the level thing
[07:02] <robotgeek> Ninwa, in case u din't know, ubotu is a bot!
[07:02] <Ninwa> I know.
[07:02] <robotgeek> sorry!
[07:02] <Ninwa> :)
[07:03] <thoreauputic> benwc: my network has only 4 machines and is set up with static addresses :)
[07:03] <rootbeer> how can I change the package manager to update via the web rather than the CDROM?
[07:03] <benwc> ubotu you really had me fooled there ;)
[07:03] <ubotu> Wish i knew, benwc
[07:03] <benwc> thoreauputic internal of external?
[07:04] <benwc> that bot is a very nice
[07:04] <thoreauputic> benwc: I just have internal IPs static - I'm on dialup (yeah, I know...)
[07:04] <FoamY_is_Drunk> hmm my media player seems to have failed
[07:04] <benwc> thoreauputic hehe
[07:05] <FoamY_is_Drunk> or the website went down
[07:06] <benwc> :)
[07:07] <jasmuz> benwc: haha,
[07:07] <thoreauputic> benwc: 404
[07:07] <benwc> brain == 500
[07:08] <benwc> omg why won't nix let me have my ips :(  I'm soooo burnt out
[07:08] <thoreauputic> Foamy's quit message should have said "connection reset by beer"
[07:08] <benwc> hehe
[07:09] <dabaR> hi
[07:09] <Madpilot> benwc: wait until ubotu accuses you of smoking crack. then you'll see it's other side... ;)
[07:09] <robotgeek> hi
[07:09] <robotgeek> :)
[07:10] <benwc> Madpilot that's awsome
[07:10] <thoreauputic> !crack ?
[07:10] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, thoreauputic
[07:10] <benwc> ubotu smokes what ? crack
[07:10] <ubotu> benwc: Are you smoking crack?
[07:10] <thoreauputic> ubotu seems to have become more polite
[07:10] <ubotu> thoreauputic: Are you smoking crack?
[07:10] <robotgeek> !ubuto
[07:10] <Grafite> do u need virus or spyware protection?  on linux systems
[07:10] <benwc> bahaha
[07:10] <ubotu> robotgeek: Bugger all, i dunno
[07:10] <thoreauputic> haha
[07:10] <thoreauputic> i spoke too soon!
[07:11] <jasmuz> Grafite: Noooo
[07:11] <vinboy> how do I make the window so that is doesn't animate when I minimise or maximise it?
[07:11] <Grafite> good
[07:11] <robotgeek> !info crack!
[07:11] <Computer__Guru> I have a new motto
[07:11] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: :)
[07:11] <Grafite> downloading Live cd @ the moment
[07:11] <benwc> lmfao
[07:11] <Computer__Guru> Speak softly, and swing a BIG STICK
[07:11] <jasmuz> Computer__Guru: hahaha
[07:11] <Madpilot> Computer__Guru: sorry, that's someone else's old model...
[07:11] <Madpilot> *motto
[07:11] <Computer__Guru> no, his was speak softly and carry a big stick
[07:12] <dabaR> vinboy the little square?
[07:12] <Computer__Guru> mine is swing a big stick :D
[07:12] <Madpilot> swing, carry, OK... why swing instead of carry?
[07:12] <robotgeek> swing carries with it implications of java!
[07:13] <Computer__Guru> I'm more for action as opposed to the threat of action
[07:13] <Grafite> were do iget additional programs for ubantu
[07:13] <Grafite> ?
[07:13] <benwc> wb Jet2k5
[07:13] <Madpilot> Grafite: the repos, via Synaptic
[07:14] <Madpilot> !repos
[07:14] <ubotu> well, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:14] <Madpilot> !synaptic
[07:14] <ubotu> synaptic is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[07:14] <Madpilot> Grafite: see those two ubotu posts
[07:14] <thoreauputic> benwc: you need to wave a dead chicken at the right phase of the moon :)
[07:14] <dabaR> vinboy: if you are talking about the little square that is there, it is a metacity settings, I believe. GO to Apps>System Tools>COnf Editor. Apps>Metacity
[07:14] <Grafite> yeh
[07:14] <benwc> oh yeah   shoot... I need a chicken
[07:14] <Grafite> i thi nk?
[07:15] <dabaR> vinboy: from there, General>reduced resources checkbox.
[07:15] <pking1977> any kubuntu users here?
[07:15] <thoreauputic> benwc: sacrificing a couple of virgins is good too - if you can find any ;-)
[07:15] <dabaR> vinboy: and you better read this cause you asked.
[07:15] <dabaR> or else:)
[07:16] <benwc> heh
[07:16] <benwc> e
[07:16] <pking1977> tyson should never of been let back in the ring
[07:16] <pking1977> after that fight
[07:16] <Jet2k5> ty benwc
[07:16] <benwc> np
[07:16] <Jet2k5> still here? Didn't fix your problem I take it?
[07:17] <benwc> nope 19 hours and counting
[07:17] <Grafite> hey wats the fastest internet connection u guys have got??
[07:17] <Jet2k5> benwc: :(
[07:17] <benwc> 6mb down
[07:17] <Jet2k5> damn
[07:17] <Grafite> wicked
[07:17] <rob^> 512k dowb
[07:17] <Jet2k5> University?
[07:17] <Jet2k5> 1.7mb down DSL
[07:17] <thoreauputic> Grafite: about 56k dialup on a good day :)
[07:17] <benwc> pay 200.00 usd / month
[07:17] <rob^> bloody telstra
[07:17] <Jet2k5> amen to that :P
[07:18] <Jet2k5> benwc: what company is this?
[07:18] <Grafite> cuz im in australia and the fastest u can get here is 4mb down  on cable
[07:18] <benwc> roadrunner biz
[07:18] <Grafite> i only got 1.5mb
[07:18] <Jet2k5> ah
[07:18] <Grafite> down
[07:18] <Jet2k5> Live in the southern parts of the US?
[07:18] <Jet2k5> Grafite: DsL?
[07:18] <robotgeek> Jet2k5, u mean like TX?
[07:18] <Grafite> yeh adsl
[07:18] <benwc> spikes up to 7 sometimes but between 3-4mb consistant
[07:19] <Gatton> 1.5 dsl here as well. but i'm slightly rural and am happy to have even that
[07:19] <Jet2k5> robotgeek: no Florida has road runner too :)
[07:19] <robotgeek> :)
[07:19] <Grafite> Gatton :  u an ozzy??
[07:19] <benwc> I can DL 20 mb in 1 - 1.5 minutes from some servers
[07:19] <Ronin> RR in central FL sucks big time
[07:19] <Gatton> Grafite, nah southern US
[07:19] <Grafite> wicked
[07:19] <Grafite> o ok
[07:19] <Jet2k5> Ronin: why you live there?>
[07:20] <Grafite> ur name is the same as a town here
[07:20] <Grafite> thats all
[07:20] <benwc> I can't use all my stupid IPs though :(
[07:20] <robotgeek> music -> #ubuntu-music
[07:20] <Ronin> Jet2k5, no I'm talking about some place I don't live
[07:20] <dabaR> aussie
[07:20] <Harold> Evening, all
[07:20] <Grafite> ??
[07:20] <Gatton> robotgeek, what kind of music they playing in there? :)
[07:20] <Jet2k5> Ronin: ok, I would say so because it's almost in the middle of no where
[07:20] <robotgeek> Gatton, nothing yet!
[07:20] <Jet2k5> if you are talkinga bout south of Orlando
[07:21] <Jet2k5> near lake okachobi
[07:21] <dabaR> sup Harold.
[07:21] <patrickj> okay im back, had to re-install
[07:21] <Ronin> Jet2k5, no where near there, but CFL is far from "the middle of nowhere"
[07:21] <patrickj> and I wanted to run openbox like in that image
[07:21] <nalioth_zZz> Harold: you arrive when i'm goin to bed
[07:21] <Harold> nalioth_zZz, Yes
[07:21] <patrickj> in the screen
[07:21] <Harold> Sup dabaR?
[07:21] <dabaR> in which screen?
[07:22] <Jet2k5> Ronin: where I live it is :P
[07:22] <patrickj> umm last one I got sent
[07:22] <patrickj> I just need to know how to configure openbox properly with Ubuntu
[07:22] <Ronin> Jet2k5, hows your connection there?
[07:22] <Harold> nalioth_zZz, I'm just here for a few minutes
[07:22] <Jet2k5> 1.7mb DSL
[07:22] <Jet2k5> Ronin:  I live in Cape Coral, not CFL
[07:22] <Jet2k5> more like SWFL
[07:22] <Jet2k5> But it's also in the middle of no where
[07:22] <Ronin> oh
[07:22] <Harold> nalioth_zZz, So is traffic picking up with the big launch on Tuesday?
[07:22] <Grafite> im gettin bout 115kb a sec ondownload
[07:23] <dabaR> patrickj: the best way to figure that out is likely google+#openbox, I doubt many ppl use openbox here.
[07:23] <dabaR> patrickj: good luck tho.
[07:23] <Jet2k5> I get about 180 kb/s download
[07:23] <patrickj> dabaR, do you?
[07:23] <benwc> I think my mozilla downloader lies about the speed... seems impossible for those speeds
[07:23] <Jet2k5> and 190 on good servers, and 200+ on some god given days
[07:23] <parabolize> patrickj, read it PLEASE http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34239&highlight=openbox+howto
[07:23] <Jet2k5> benwc: No matter how fast your speed is, there are servers that aren't that fast
[07:24] <Grafite> ok?
[07:24] <dabaR> patrickj: nope
[07:24] <Harold> dabaR, How're ya?
[07:24] <vinboy> thanks dabaR
[07:24] <fabbione> hi guys
[07:24] <Harold> dabaR, C++'n it.
[07:24] <fabbione> can somebody be so kind to write a pipe for me?
[07:24] <dabaR> vinboy: welcome
[07:25] <thoreauputic> |
[07:25] <Jet2k5> fabbione: a weed pipe?  sure ... :P
[07:25] <Harold> dabaR, I remember you; were we discussing programming languages?
[07:25] <vinboy> but.. its not that
[07:25] <dabaR> Harold: almost great, I am a little sad heard some bad news today...you remind me of them, cause they concern a guy named Harry,.
[07:25] <dabaR> Harold: I doubt it.
[07:25] <Harold> dabaR, Or was it about Mac?
[07:25] <fabbione> Jet2k5: just a pipe... i doomed my keyboard and i need to search for something
[07:25] <Harold> dabaR, I'm sorry to hear that.
[07:25] <dabaR> ya, me too.
[07:25] <Jet2k5> fabbione: I can try
[07:25] <dabaR> Harold: prolly mac.
[07:25] <thoreauputic> fabbione:   here's  a pipe |
[07:25] <fabbione> thoreauputic: thanks
[07:26] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: that's mighty big there captin'!
[07:26] <Harold> dabaR, Or maybe it was getting my wifi card going?
[07:26] <patrickj> I wanna configure it with fbpanel
[07:26] <Harold> dabaR, Anyway, nice to see you again.
[07:26] <dabaR> one of those, mac likely
[07:26] <dabaR> ya, you too:)
[07:26] <Jet2k5> macs are over rated
[07:26] <Harold> dabaR, Are you on an iBook?
[07:26] <Jet2k5> haah fooled you robotgeek I don't have one!
[07:26] <Jet2k5> :P
[07:27] <benwc> uploaded 4,574,559 bytes in 43 seconds
[07:27] <rootbeer> I'm looking at buying a laptop soon...   ibook / powerbook are some of what I've looked at.
[07:27] <Jet2k5> I wish I sorta did, I never ever played with Mac OSX
[07:27] <benwc> not bad
[07:27] <dushtabuddhi> hello, any news of firefox probs being fixed ? i dont want to get the backports one
[07:27] <Harold> Please let's not get started with the Mac versus PC thing.
[07:27] <dabaR> Harold: not now, no, I dont use ubuntu on the iBook any more
[07:27] <dabaR> no wireless, and that is where I mostly use the 'book..
[07:27] <hybrid_goth> rootbeer: ubuntu on a mac owns!!!!
[07:27] <Jet2k5> dushtabuddhi: no but I can tell you that it crashes on me while looking at certain websites
[07:27] <hybrid_goth> i have a g3 ibook is awesome
[07:27] <Harold> Are you running Ubuntu now?
[07:27] <Jet2k5> Harold: I don't think anyone is
[07:27] <robotgeek> hybrid_goth, i think u meant me...now i just need to get the video out to work
[07:28] <dushtabuddhi> Jet2k5, mine crashes as soon as i close a tab :(
[07:28] <rootbeer> hybrid_goth, not sure what to do??  ibook / powerbook == $$$$$$$$
[07:28] <Harold> Jet2k5, You're right.
[07:28] <parabolize> patrickj, http://fbpanel.sourceforge.net/docs.html
[07:28] <Harold> Jet2k5, Prolly 'cuz this is a good forum.
[07:28] <Jet2k5> dushtabuddhi: did you run it from console, and see what errors it spits out?
[07:28] <Jet2k5> Harold: ;)] 
[07:28] <dabaR> rootbeer: notice that wireless on g4 p/ibooks dont work.
[07:28] <rootbeer> could get a cheap AMD / intel cheapy laptop and do the same thing.
[07:28] <Harold> Jet2k5, Seriously, it is.
[07:28] <dabaR> in linux, that is.
[07:28] <dushtabuddhi> Jet2k5, Segfault
[07:28] <Grafite> hey wats the diff between Kubantu and  Ebantu?
[07:28] <Jet2k5> dushtabuddhi: :( those are helpless :P
[07:29] <dabaR> kubuntu, ubuntu
[07:29] <dushtabuddhi> :(
[07:29] <hybrid_goth> robotgeek: whats up with it
[07:29] <Jet2k5> fragile: there is an Ebantu?
[07:29] <rootbeer> dabaR, so you're saying stick with osx then?  to use the wireless capabilities.
[07:29] <Harold> Grafite, Those sounds like Star Wars species.
[07:29] <thoreauputic> Grafite: none - you mis-spelled both
[07:29] <Jet2k5> what does that mean in african? Friendly Human Elephant?
[07:29] <Grafite> ok
[07:29] <robotgeek> hybrid_goth, the display out doesn't work.
[07:29] <benwc> Jet2k5 here http://performance.toast.net/default.asp?allservers=1
[07:29] <dabaR> yes, you cant use linux with the airport xtreme
[07:29] <patrickj> will it work fine in ubuntu?
[07:29] <rootbeer> dabaR, booooo  that sux.
[07:29] <hybrid_goth> no yet for APX
[07:29] <robotgeek> i use a pcmcia wireless card!
[07:29] <dabaR> agreed:(
[07:29] <parabolize> patrickj, never tried
[07:29] <gigaclon> whats the package to enable MP3 playback in XMMS?
[07:29] <Harold> robotgeek, That's nice.
[07:29] <rootbeer> would like to get a laptop and use the all the toys.
[07:30] <Madpilot> Grafite: kubuntu is ubuntu w/ KDE. Edubuntu is something new, networked Ubuntu for schools or something
[07:30] <rootbeer> ubuntu has been pretty good to me thus far...
[07:30] <Grafite> then why do they have different sites and versions?
[07:30] <dabaR> http://icculus.org/openbox/
[07:30] <Harold> robotgeek, I'd like to get my pcmcia USB 2.0 card going.
[07:30] <Grafite> ok
[07:30] <Grafite> is kde better?
[07:30] <thoreauputic> gigaclon: it plays mp3 by default - set the output plugin to "esound"
[07:30] <gigaclon> it is
[07:30] <Harold> Grafite, Everyone's going to have an opinion on that.  KDE vs. Gnome
[07:30] <gigaclon> still crashes
[07:30] <thoreauputic> Grafite: that's a subject for holy wars
[07:31] <robotgeek> Harold, okay...cool, which one do u have?
[07:31] <Madpilot> !holy war
[07:31] <dabaR> patrickj: check out that URL, to see the openbox web site
[07:31] <ubotu> Madpilot: Bugger all, i dunno
[07:31] <rob^> Grafite, try both and see
[07:31] <Grafite> im a noob remember
[07:31] <parabolize> patrickj, if there is a package there is a way. ubuntu has a fbpanel package
[07:31] <Harold> robotgeek, I have a Dynex card...
[07:31] <Grafite> wats the diff between gnome and kde?
[07:31] <rob^> Grafite, well there is only one way to find out for sure
[07:31] <robotgeek> rob^, boooo!
[07:31] <patrickj> hmm cool
[07:31] <Harold> robotgeek, Dynes DX-UC202] 
[07:31] <Jet2k5> Grafite: both have their ups and down, advantages and flaws
[07:31] <rob^> heh
[07:31] <patrickj> ill just stick with using gnome with it :p
[07:31] <Grafite> wat would they be?
[07:31] <Harold> robotgeek, Ooops, Dynex DX-UC202
[07:31] <Jet2k5> I personally prefer both, I like kde and gnome, but I like ubuntu so I use gnome
[07:31] <thoreauputic> Grafite: have a look at gnome-look.org and kde-look.org
[07:32] <Grafite> thnx
[07:32] <patrickj> actually, Nah ill use fbpanel
[07:32] <parabolize> patrickj, whats wrong with gnome-panel? to slow?
[07:32] <Jet2k5> Grafite: well usually kde get's the " kde is bloated "
[07:32] <Jet2k5> gnome doesn't
[07:32] <patrickj> well not really
[07:32] <benwc> night ubuntuians
[07:32] <Jet2k5> then people say gnome lacks in apps like browser
[07:32] <Harold> Grafite, And then look into xcfe4.
[07:32] <Grafite> ?
[07:32] <Jet2k5> and stuff like that
[07:32] <patrickj> i guess ill use it but will nautilus still be going?
[07:32] <patrickj> nautilus HAS TO GO
[07:32] <patrickj> lol
[07:32] <Harold> Grafite, It's another X Window system.
[07:33] <robotgeek> Harold, on it
[07:33] <Grafite> ? wats that?
[07:33] <benwc> if I ever find out how to get all my ips working I'll come back and share w/ everyone
[07:33] <ahvargas> anyone knows how to apply a patch to the kernel?
[07:33] <parabolize> patrickj, READ THE BOTTOM http://torsmo.sourceforge.net/readme.php
[07:33] <Harold> robotgeek, Thanks
[07:33] <jasmuz> Grafite: you will have to test to tell
[07:34] <Grafite> ok
[07:34] <rootbeer> too bad ubuntu doesn't have a distro for ethereal.  :(
[07:35] <Harold> Grafite, I'm using xfce4 because Gnome and KDE required too much memory for my system, really.  xcfe4 runs snappier - much snappier - on my old PowerBook.
[07:35] <robotgeek> Harold, do u know if it's supported under linux or not?
[07:35] <rootbeer> too lazy waiting for source to compile...
[07:35] <patrickj> kk thanks
[07:35] <Grafite> ok
[07:35] <Jet2k5> netsplit!!!!!!!!!
[07:35] <Jet2k5> run
[07:35] <Harold> robotgeek, I do not know that.  There's no driver available that I know of, if that's what you mean...
[07:35] <Jet2k5> !!!!!!!!!!1111
[07:35] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Jet2k5
[07:35] <patrickj> wheres the gconf editor?
[07:35] <Harold> robotgeek, ...leastways, I haven't located any.
[07:36] <robotgeek> okay..
[07:36] <Jet2k5> patrickj: Applications > System Tools > Gconf editor
[07:36] <Grafite> can someone tell me the advantages of each one plz  cuz im confused
[07:36] <parabolize> patrickj, open a term type gconf-editor
[07:36] <Jet2k5> patrickj: that too ... but just incase you want it from the men
[07:36] <Jet2k5> u
[07:36] <Grafite> ?
[07:36] <Harold> robotgeek, Here's the thing: I'm new to pcmcia on Ubuntu (and Linux), so I really don't know which commands to enter.  I have a feeling it's being recognized, though,  because I installed a package and it reports something when it's plugged in.
[07:37] <Computer__Guru> ahvargas: kernel.org has some really good tutorials on building a kernel. make sure you download the source package from ubuntu though
[07:37] <Jet2k5> Does anyone know what CAS is on RAM?  Like what it does and what CAS is good?
[07:37] <Harold> robotgeek, It indicates something, in other words.
[07:37] <patrickj> okay thanks so much guys :"d
[07:37] <Computer__Guru> ahvargas: and make it the same version as your kernel
[07:37] <patrickj> now i dont need the top part of the panel either :d
[07:37] <Grafite> so ubantu uses gnome does it??
[07:37] <Harold> robotgeek, So maybe it's already working.  Where/how would I check to see it it's mounted?  Dmesg?
[07:37] <robotgeek> Harold, what do u mean a usb pcmcia card, or just a USB wireless adapter?
[07:37] <Jet2k5> yes
[07:37] <Jet2k5> Grafite: yes
[07:38] <Computer__Guru> for example: apt-get source linux-image-2.6.10-5-686
[07:38] <Grafite> ok
[07:38] <parabolize> patrickj, so remove it. :)
[07:38] <patrickj> delete panel?
[07:38] <Harold> robotgeek, Oh no, not wireless.  I finally got one of those running.  This is a pc card, a USB 2.0 hub.
[07:38] <patrickj> well there is no longer a system tray.......
[07:38] <parabolize> patrickj, yes
[07:38] <parabolize> patrickj, add one to bottom panel
[07:38] <patrickj> added it
[07:38] <Computer__Guru> next type: sudo ln -s linux-image-2.6.10-5-686 /usr/src/linux
[07:39] <Computer__Guru> well, follow the tutorials
[07:39] <patrickj> nice thanks :Ld
[07:39] <Computer__Guru> it's pretty straightforward, actually
[07:39] <JzE> Hey... How can I make a shortcut?
[07:39] <patrickj> its simple
[07:39] <robotgeek> Harold, yeah dmesg would be the place to look for it
[07:39] <Computer__Guru> JzE: ony our desktop or int he filesystem?
[07:39] <parabolize> patrickj, and clean. :)
[07:39] <JzE> desktop
[07:39] <tritium> you want to "sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10"
[07:39] <Grafite> wat is slckware?
[07:40] <Grafite> slackware
[07:40] <Computer__Guru> oh right click the desktop and select create new then link to application
[07:40] <parabolize> evil
[07:40] <patrickj> openbox is so much better
[07:40] <Computer__Guru> tritium: really? i sourced it
[07:40] <Computer__Guru> it worked *shrug*
[07:40] <JzE> create launcher?
[07:40] <tritium> Computer__Guru, well, that linux-source package is the source ;)
[07:40] <patrickj> do you think the top panel is at all necasary with openbox on and naut off?
[07:40] <tritium> with ubuntu patches
[07:40] <Computer__Guru> i would imagine they both are, no?
[07:40] <parabolize> patrickj, remeber to save session when you logout. or openbox go away.
[07:41] <Computer__Guru> ah
[07:41] <patrickj> oh....GAH
[07:41] <Computer__Guru> right on
[07:41] <patrickj> now to configure my system :p
[07:41] <patrickj> k what was the best embedded term?
[07:41] <Computer__Guru> what filemanager would you recommend for openbox?
[07:41] <patrickj> I need one that stays on the desktop, so basically like aterm or something
[07:41] <Computer__Guru> patrickj: konsole :>
[07:41] <pking1977> anyone have any problems installing ubuntu on a system that has an ATI 9600?
[07:41] <fagr> firestarter show that there is an active connection to a pc which i know is offline using Sun-RPC portmap is this a security risk?
[07:41] <patrickj> no not konsole
[07:41] <Harold> robotgeek, I think I see it there.  How could I access it?  I've plugged in my iRiver and I've installed an iRiver package called ifp-line, a command-line tool for accessing an iRiver.  I've used this program before, but for some reason it's not accessing the iRiver on this system.
[07:41] <patrickj> i need one like aterm
[07:42] <parabolize> patrickj, I like eterm. but there is no best
[07:42] <pking1977> I get stuck after hiting enter the first time
[07:42] <Computer__Guru> konsole with screen :D you are now free to detach around the desktop
[07:42] <Computer__Guru> xterm :>
[07:42] <patrickj> lol can i see screen of eterm?
[07:42] <robotgeek> Harold,  ah..no experiece with that...sorry!
[07:42] <ksmurf> hello all.... I'm just wondering what window manager is best besides gnome.... Gnome just doesn't do it for me
[07:43] <ksmurf> I'm not looking for a flame war eitherr
[07:43] <patrickj> can I change the width of the gnome panel?
[07:43] <Computer__Guru> ksmurf: try kde :) sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:43] <Harold> robotgeek, That's okay.  Thanks anyway
[07:43] <Computer__Guru> patrickj: yes
[07:43] <robotgeek> ksmurf, openbox/fluxbox/XFce
[07:43] <patrickj> how?
[07:43] <parabolize> patrickj, http://www.eterm.org/
[07:43] <Harold> robotgeek, What if I wanted to plug a USB cable into the hub to connect it to another Mac.  How would I access/see this network?
[07:43] <robotgeek> Computer__Guru, try rox
[07:44] <robotgeek> but i don't use a file manager anyways
[07:44] <Computer__Guru> yah i dunno i dont really like rox
[07:44] <Computer__Guru> i mean its okay
[07:44] <robotgeek> Harold, no idea...sorry
[07:44] <patrickj> I want a borderless desktop embedded terminal
[07:44] <ahvargas> Computer__Guru:thanks
[07:44] <Computer__Guru> ahvargas: find what you need?
[07:44] <robotgeek> patrickj, what do u mean embedded?
[07:44] <parabolize> patrickj, right click panel, propertes, expand
[07:45] <ahvargas> Computer__Guru:yes but i am trying to make sound work in a macmini
[07:45] <Computer__Guru> ahvargas: the config file that ubuntu used is located in /boot/ it's called config-2.6.10-5-x86
[07:45] <Harold> robotgeek, Okey dokey
[07:45] <JzE> Computer__Guru: I need to execute one file and I want a shortcut to do that. So how do I make it?
[07:45] <Harold> robotgeek, Again, thanks
[07:45] <patrickj> i mean like no border and it can be transparent
[07:45] <patrickj> lol
[07:45] <JzE> And I need to execute it in terminal
[07:45] <Computer__Guru> JzE: kde or gnome?
[07:45] <JzE> gnome
[07:46] <ahvargas> and i dont know how to configure yaboot
[07:46] <parabolize> patrickj, for trans term on desktop http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36811&highlight=eterm+desktop
[07:46] <robotgeek> patrickj, okay...gimme a moment..i know how to do this :)
[07:46] <robotgeek> in aterm!
[07:46] <Harold> robotgeek, Guess what?
[07:46] <parabolize> boo!
[07:46] <Computer__Guru> JzE: well im not in gnome, but it's something to the term of right clicking ont he desktop, choosing new, then something along the lines of link to new application
[07:46] <robotgeek> Harold, it works out of the box?
[07:46] <robotgeek> :)
[07:47] <JzE> there are option like create folder create launcher and create document
[07:47] <robotgeek> parabolize, aterm..why not?
[07:47] <Miks> somebody knows whats the address or link to access places "computer" ? like for a launcher in Documents would be nautilus --no-desktop --browser %U ?
[07:47] <patrickj> thanks, perfect :D
[07:47] <Computer__Guru> create launcher
[07:47] <Harold> robotgeek, LOL.  No, but check this: I haven't tried since yesterday, and I just plugged in my iRiver and it's now working.
[07:47] <parabolize> robotgeek, no reason. I just use eterm
[07:47] <JzE> name,generic name,comment,command
[07:47] <robotgeek> Harold, cool
[07:47] <Computer__Guru> where it says command, type what you want it to do, and check the box for run in terminal
[07:47] <patrickj> crap the apps arent showing up in right click menu anymore !!!
[07:47] <Harold> robotgeek, I *did* fiddle with some packages yesterday, so maybe I got it going.  Or maybe I just got lucky.
[07:47] <robotgeek> parabolize, i tried using eterm, but it doeesn't launch
[07:47] <patrickj> ack how can I  make all apps show up in menu
[07:48] <Computer__Guru> or start a terminal first. put: konsole -e command
[07:48] <Harold> ls RECORD
[07:48] <Computer__Guru> that will open a console and run your command in it
[07:48] <Harold> Ooops
[07:48] <robotgeek> Harold, :)
[07:48] <Harold> I was trying to access my iRiver.  Wrong command, anyway...
[07:48] <parabolize> patrickj edit copy your menu.xml to home folder and edit
[07:48] <Computer__Guru> like i got a link that's: konsole -e top
[07:48] <robotgeek> patrickj, do u still need help with openbox/aterm?
[07:49] <patrickj> not totally
[07:49] <Harold> Now I can do my podcasts on Ubuntu!
[07:49] <patrickj> im going to use the transparent eterm thing  paro gave me
[07:49] <patrickj> okay now, about that menu.xml file
[07:49] <patrickj> where is it?
[07:49] <JzE> Hmm... The file I need to execute is in /home/user/cod/
[07:49] <Computer__Guru> probably in ~/.eterm
[07:50] <parabolize> patrickj, hold up I can't remember
[07:50] <JzE> So what do I type on the command line?
[07:50] <robotgeek> patrickj, rc.xml would be what u need
[07:50] <Computer__Guru> JzE: so for command, type: xterm -e command
[07:50] <Computer__Guru> xterm -e /home/user/whatever/whatever.bin
[07:50] <patrickj> ok I just need the apps menu added and whatever else is there in openbox originally
[07:51] <Computer__Guru> or konsole
[07:51] <Computer__Guru> or gnome-terminal
[07:51] <Computer__Guru> or whatever floats your boat
[07:51] <parabolize> patrickj, copy /etc/xdg/openbox/menu.xml to ~/.config/openbox
[07:51] <robotgeek> patrickj, menu.xml is just for the menu u see, u specify what file to see in rc.xml
[07:51] <Computer__Guru> they all pretty much accept -e command
[07:51] <patrickj> which one should I copy?
[07:52] <robotgeek> patrickj, you might also want to see http://denu.sf.net a program to generate menu's for various window managers, if you do move around quite a bit :)
[07:52] <parabolize> /etc/xdg/openbox/menu.xml and /etc/xdg/openbox/rc.xml move both to ~/.config/openbox
[07:52] <JzE> Now I have gnome-terminal -e /home/cod/cod/cod_lnxded
[07:52] <JzE> is it correct?
[07:52] <patrickj> im sticking with openbox for sure but it says cp: cannot create regular file `/home/patrick/.config/openbox': No such file or directory
[07:52] <Computer__Guru> yup
[07:52] <Computer__Guru> witht hat command
[07:52] <patrickj> here what I did:
[07:52] <patrickj> patrick@mephion:~$ cp /etc/xdg/openbox/menu.xml ~/.config/openbox
[07:52] <patrickj> cp: cannot create regular file `/home/patrick/.config/openbox': No such file or directory
[07:52] <Computer__Guru> DO NOT check the box to run in terminal
[07:52] <Computer__Guru> it will do that automatically
[07:52] <parabolize> patrickj, create the folders
[07:53] <patrickj> how?
[07:53] <patrickj> lol
[07:53] <patrickj> j/k but what folders?
[07:53] <parabolize> patrickj, nautilus
[07:53] <patrickj> umm....little more details plz?
[07:53] <patrickj> lol
[07:53] <robotgeek> mkdir ~/.config
[07:53] <parabolize> patrickj, .config and openbox
[07:53] <Computer__Guru> that should work for you
[07:53] <robotgeek> mkdir ~/.config/openbox
[07:53] <parabolize> what robotgeek said
[07:54] <dabaR> anyone know how to change the picture of the root window(desktop)?
[07:54] <BlazingSteakSauc> what do i use to enable root access for my user on ubuntu
[07:54] <JzE> hmm... the terminal flashes but nothing happens
[07:54] <Computer__Guru> xsetroot, isnt it?
[07:54] <Computer__Guru> whatis xsetroot:
[07:54] <Computer__Guru> xsetroot (1x)        - root window parameter setting utility for X
[07:54] <Computer__Guru> yup,t hats it
[07:54] <patrickj> patrick@mephion:~$ mkdir ~/.config/openbox
[07:54] <patrickj> mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/patrick/.config/openbox': No such file or directory
[07:55] <Computer__Guru> you can set your root window to just about anything
[07:55] <Computer__Guru> mine was a working pinball game for a while :)
[07:55] <robotgeek> !info feh
[07:55] <ubotu> feh: (imlib2 based image viewer), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 1.2.7-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 271 kB, Installed size: 500 kB
[07:55] <JzE> Computer__Guru: Didn't work
[07:55] <BlazingSteakSauc> how you set current user with root rights
[07:55] <patrickj> is there any way to add back the top panel?
[07:55] <parabolize> patrickj, did you do .config first?
[07:56] <patrickj> just temporarily
[07:56] <patrickj> no lol
[07:56] <rob^> does one need to install fakeroot before installing sun java, or is fakeroot part of a default Ubuntu install
[07:56] <parabolize> patrickj, mkdir ~/.config then mkdir ~/.config/openbox
[07:57] <patrickj> then copy the files?
[07:57] <robotgeek> i finally got a winamp4 skin for BMP. i feel very comfortable
[07:57] <parabolize> patrickj, yes
[07:57] <patrickj> didnt do anything...menus not fixed :9
[07:57] <patrickj> :(
[07:58] <parabolize> patrickj, now you edit them. :)
[07:58] <parabolize> here is mine: http://users.adelphia.net/~phann8/menu.xml http://users.adelphia.net/~phann8/rc.xml
[07:59] <dabaR> which picture did I wanna use again?
[07:59] <dabaR> can remember now.
[07:59] <patrickj> omg lol is there any way to generate it?
[07:59] <dabaR> Computer__Guru: thanks, that helped in the right direction.
[07:59] <robotgeek> http://denu.sf.net
[07:59] <Computer__Guru> anytime
[07:59] <parabolize> robotgeek patrickj, you might also want to see http://denu.sf.net a program to generate menu's for various window managers, if you do move around quite a bit :)
[08:00] <patrickj> or wait, anyway to get back the gnome-panel(top)
[08:00] <Computer__Guru> whatd i say anyways?
[08:00] <vinboy_> anyone got dual monitor working ?
[08:00] <Computer__Guru> all your base are belong to us
[08:00] <Grafite> c yas  thnx alot 4 ya help
[08:00] <parabolize> patrickj, right click bottom panel. add panel
[08:00] <Computer__Guru> you have no chance to survive. make your time
[08:00] <patrickj> kk got it
[08:00] <Afir> First time user of GNU/Linux here and Ubuntu is the distro that appeals to me the most.  I have just done a fresh install on my test system and the only problem so far is configuring my internet.
[08:01] <robotgeek> Afir, welcome!
[08:02] <Afir> Thanks! I'm glad to be here.
[08:02] <robotgeek> Afir, so is it wireless or ethernet?
[08:02] <Afir> ethernet LAN.  I think it is related to my router.
[08:02] <patrickj> okay need help with:
[08:02] <patrickj> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36811&highlight=eterm+desktop
[08:02] <patrickj> where would I add this:
[08:02] <patrickj> Eterm  -x -0 --trans --scrollbar=off --buttonbar 0 --geometry 200x60+80+40 --font-fx none -f white?
[08:03] <patrickj> it says to add to startup programs
[08:03] <robotgeek> does eterm have a .xdefaults support?
[08:03] <patrickj> n/m but how do i get eterm running?
[08:03] <Harold> robotgeek, I see what's going on.  I can only access my iRiver when I'm in root.  Do you know this happens?
[08:04] <robotgeek> hmmm...
[08:04] <Harold> robotgeek, I've had that happen with the package dillo, too.
[08:04] <parabolize> patrickj, add to gnome-session-properties, startup
[08:04] <Harold> robotgeek, I install everything as sudo, always.
[08:04] <tritium> which iRiver product, Harold ?
[08:04] <patrickj> i know
[08:04] <Ronin> evolution is garbage
[08:04] <robotgeek> I just use Thunderbird
[08:04] <Harold> tritium, The iRiver iFP-890.  Flash-based.
[08:04] <patrickj> i think I will stick with using the gnome-panel lol
[08:04] <BlazingSteakSauc> d'oh sudo ubuntu does not see the rpms i got for it to install them
[08:05] <tritium> Harold, I have the ifp-880
[08:05] <BlazingSteakSauc> ubuntu*
[08:05] <robotgeek> Harold, you can install only as root, i guess (if you apt-get stuff)
[08:05] <patrickj> wait, nah
[08:05] <Harold> robotgeek, Yes.
[08:05] <antix> what's a good program for listening to podcasts on ubuntu?
[08:05] <robotgeek> I am not sure why it asks yoou to be root,
[08:05] <Harold> tritium, That's the 128MB iRiver, right?
[08:05] <Computer__Guru> i got a bang-up idea for a live-cd project
[08:05] <rob^> antix, I just use xmms
[08:05] <robotgeek> beep media player?
[08:06] <Orborde> I'm trying to uninstall the Gaim 1.1.something that came with Ubuntu so I can install Gaim 1.4.0. However, when I ask Synaptic to remove Gaim, it also wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, which is supposedly somewhat important. Should I remove it anyways?
[08:06] <Harold> robotgeek, I can only install packages as root, right?
[08:06] <robotgeek> Harold, yup
[08:06] <Computer__Guru> an internet-cafe on a disc
[08:06] <tritium> Harold, yes
[08:06] <Ronin> can't get rid of evolution without getting rid of gnome?
[08:06] <Computer__Guru> insert disc, reboot box
[08:06] <Harold> robotgeek, Nice player, that iRiver, isn't it?  I use it to record podcasts.
[08:06] <Computer__Guru> start turnin on nodes
[08:06] <robotgeek> Harold, you might want to chown your irver, if you mount it and stuff
[08:07] <robotgeek> no money for funky gadgets!
[08:07] <antix> rob^, "play location"?
[08:07] <Smeggy> no, the food goes before the gadgets, surely!@
[08:07] <Harold> robotgeek, I don't have to mount it, but thanks.
[08:07] <BlazingSteakSauc> anyone got an idea how to install xfce on ubuntu?
[08:07] <h08817> how can i install ndiswrapper from a floppy?
[08:07] <rob^> anacron, podcasts are just regular audio files
[08:07] <patrickj> How do I run eterm and the devilspie thing
[08:07] <Harold> tritium, Do you manage your iRiver from Ubuntu?
[08:07] <Linux_Galore> yeah Im thinking of getting a mp3 player for all these nice podcasts
[08:07] <patrickj> also it says to make sure devilspie is running before eterm is
[08:07] <rob^> oops
[08:07] <patrickj> how can I be sure of that?
[08:08] <rob^> antix, podcasts are just regular audio files
[08:08] <Harold> parabolize, I have the same one.
[08:08] <robotgeek> patrickj, not really needed, it works just fine if you launch later...only problem is if the app name changes
[08:08] <Afir> So I guess my question is how does one configure dhcp if autoconfig fails?  I tried restarting modem, followed by LAN, followed by ubuntu machine.  Still no internet though.
[08:08] <Harold> parabolize, Do you manage your iRiver from Ubuntu?
[08:08] <patrickj> well ok but how Do i launch eterm right now?
[08:08] <parabolize> Harold, yes
[08:09] <antix> rob^, so I download them first then?
[08:09] <Linux_Galore> I like some of the media players that do video files.. wonder if any work with Linux
[08:09] <tritium> Harold, is your user a member of the plugdev group?
[08:09] <Harold> parabolize, Which package(s) do you use?
[08:09] <h08817> hey how do I install ndiswrapper?
[08:09] <rob^> antix, yes, that is one method
[08:09] <Harold> tritium, I'm not certain.  How do I check?
[08:09] <Linux_Galore> Portable media player*
[08:09] <h08817> i downloaded the file on windows
[08:09] <h08817> can i install it from floppy disk?
[08:09] <tritium> Harold, type "groups"
[08:09] <parabolize> Harold, I updated to the 1.28 UMS firmware so I don't nedd any fancy packages
[08:09] <h08817> and if so what is the syntax
[08:09] <Orborde> I'm trying to uninstall the Gaim 1.1.something that came with Ubuntu so I can install Gaim 1.4.0. However, when I ask Synaptic to remove Gaim, it also wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, which is supposedly somewhat important. Should I remove it anyways?
[08:09] <tritium> parabolize, so it can't play .ogg files then?
[08:10] <antix> rob^, ok but I think I would want a subscription program. ipodder?
[08:10] <Harold> tritium, Doesn't look like I'm in plugdev.
[08:10] <parabolize> tritium, yep
[08:10] <Linux_Galore> Orborde: nope
[08:10] <tritium> Harold, you'll need to be in order to allow your user to use ifp-line, for example.
[08:10] <Harold> parabolize, What's the advantage of using UMS?
[08:10] <rob^> antix, sure
[08:10] <patrickj> I need to run torsmo not through terminal, how would I go about this?
[08:10] <Harold> tritium, Do you know how I go about adding myself to plugdev?
[08:10] <Linux_Galore> Orborde: just update gaim.....you dont have to remove one to update to a new version
[08:10] <tritium> Harold, read /usr/share/doc/ifp-line/README.Debian and /usr/share/doc/pmp-common/README.Debian
[08:10] <parabolize> tritium, wait I read your post wrong. I can play ogg files
[08:11] <Harold> tritium, Thanks
[08:11] <antix> rob^, I don't know how to download the files from for example http://www.sr.se/Podradio/xml/p1_dokumentar.xml  :)
[08:11] <Orborde> Linux_Galore: Okay, what do I do, then? Synaptic isn't finding any new Gaim versions. Should I simply run the Gaim makefile?
[08:11] <tritium> Harold, adduser <username> <groupname>
[08:11] <rob^> antix, I dont use ipodder, so I dont know
[08:11] <patrickj> ?
[08:11] <BlazingSteakSauc> anyone got an idea how to install xfce on ubuntu?
[08:11] <Linux_Galore> Orborde: well I download the source file and compile it....you can also try download the red hat rpm and use alien to install it
[08:12] <patrickj> okay how can I run eterm?!
[08:12] <deFrysk> Orborde, backports has a new gaim
[08:12] <Linux_Galore> Orborde: if you look on www.google.com/linux   you can often track down people who have .deb  package version of gaim
[08:12] <Orborde> deFrysk: Where? How?
[08:12] <thespiritoftal> I have installed some packages with synapyic packet manager...Where can i find them in my computer ?
[08:12] <deFrysk> Orborde, ubuntuguide.org
[08:12] <h08817> hey can someone help me with ndiswrapper please?
[08:13] <parabolize> patrickj, type eterm. :P
[08:13] <Harold> tritium, That second document doesn't exist on my system.
[08:13] <patrickj> i did and it said program not found :(
[08:13] <Harold> tritium, As far as I can tell, that is.
[08:13] <tritium> Harold, you don't have pmp-common installed?  It's a dependency of ifp-line.
[08:13] <parabolize> patrickj, sudo apt-get install eterm ?
[08:13] <Harold> tritium, I guess not.
[08:14] <patrickj> I did
[08:14] <tritium> Harold, ah, technically it's just Recommended.
[08:14] <Madpilot> anyone else here unable to log into the Ubuntu wiki? I've got a Launchpad account, can log into that fine, but still can't get into the U wiki...
[08:14] <Harold> tritium, Are you using ifp-line with the ifplib?  I couldn't get ifplib installed.
[08:14] <parabolize> patrickj, type locate eterm
[08:14] <tritium> Harold, I just "sudo aptitude install ifp-line", and it also installed pmp-common.
[08:14] <tritium> Are you not using the ubuntu package?
[08:15] <patrickj> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50xorg-common_determine-startup
[08:15] <patrickj> /usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-eterm.png
[08:15] <patrickj> /usr/share/terminfo/e/eterm
[08:15] <patrickj> /usr/share/terminfo/b/beterm
[08:15] <patrickj> /usr/share/vim/vim63/syntax/eterm.vim
[08:15] <patrickj> /usr/share/vim/vim63/indent/eterm.vim
[08:15] <Harold> tritium, I don't recall.  Gotta go for a few minutes...
[08:15] <parabolize> ahh. don't paste
[08:15] <tritium> patrickj, please don't paste here
[08:15] <Madpilot> ubotu tell patrickj about pastebin
[08:15] <robotgeek> !pastebin
[08:15] <ubotu> somebody said pastebin was at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[08:16] <patrickj> sorry
[08:16] <robotgeek> can someone help me with bmp, it says output is blocked at the end of the song and stops.
[08:16] <patrickj> neways is it even installed, according to those results?
[08:16] <parabolize> patrickj, was that all it listed?
[08:16] <robotgeek> does that mean i have to get the multiple streams thing?
[08:16] <patrickj> yes
[08:16] <Afir> Anyone know where any detailed tutorials for configuring internet in Ubuntu are?
[08:17] <robotgeek> for locate to work correctly, you need to sudo updatedb
[08:17] <patrickj> all that i types was sudo apt-get install eterm devilspie, like in instructions
[08:17] <parabolize> patrickj, something be wrong here
[08:17] <robotgeek> cause u just updated it now
[08:17] <patrickj> and it says I have the latest verision!
[08:18] <parabolize> patrickj, umm... ask robotgeek about that aterm.
[08:18] <patrickj> should I use aterm instead of eterm?
[08:19] <robotgeek> patrickj, join #ubuntu-aterm
[08:19] <parabolize> patrickj, eterm look broaked.
[08:19] <robotgeek> parabolize, eterm doesn't launch for me, though i wanted to try it.
[08:19] <patrickj> well it works now
[08:20] <parabolize> lol
[08:20] <robotgeek> oh well..
[08:20] <patrickj> but i need devilspie to go on boot also I guess
[08:20] <parabolize> yep
[08:20] <robotgeek> patrickj, are u using gnome?
[08:20] <robotgeek> with openbox?
[08:20] <patrickj> actually, ill go to aterm
[08:20] <parabolize> robotgeek, yes he is
[08:20] <patrickj> and yes i am
[08:21] <patrickj> I might go to that panel I mentioned earlier :d
[08:21] <Harold> Smeggy, You're on a Mac, I take it?
[08:21] <robotgeek> patrickj, brb
[08:21] <Smeggy> i am indeed Harold
[08:21] <tritium> Harold, are you not using the ifp-line ubuntu package?
[08:22] <Harold> tritium, I'm not sure.  Any way I can tell?  I forget how I installed it...
[08:22] <Doonz> hey guys is is possible to modify the size of the main partition?
[08:22] <robotgeek> ybin: Blessing /dev/hda9 with Holy Penguin Pee... lol@
[08:23] <Harold> tritium, By the way, I just installed pmp-common.
[08:23] <tritium> Harold, "apt-cache policy ifp-line"
[08:23] <parabolize> Harold, updating your firmware to UMS is easy if you got a windows box around...
[08:23] <tritium> don't do that unless you want to lose .ogg capability
[08:23] <Smeggy> i am trying to get ubuntu working (again.. it worked before.. which is strange) on my powermac g5.. however after the install it reboots and it goes straight into the osx boot sequence.. no sign of yaboot.. any suggestions?
[08:23] <Harold> parabolize, But why would I want to do that, pray tell?
[08:24] <parabolize> tritium, i can play ogg files
[08:24] <tritium> parabolize, I asked you if you lost that capability, and you said yes.
[08:24] <Harold> tritium, What info. am I looking for here?
[08:24] <parabolize> Harold, so you don't have to play with ifp-line
[08:24] <tritium> And the readmes say that only manager mode can play .ogg, and not UMS
[08:24] <Harold> tritium, Version table?
[08:24] <nadjyla> Hello :)
[08:24] <tritium> Harold, it'll tell you the installed version, if it is in fact installed
[08:24] <Harold> parabolize, I see.  So it's easier, I take it?
[08:25] <parabolize> tritium, I corrected myself "parabolize tritium, wait I read your post wrong. I can play ogg files"
[08:25] <tritium> Harold, or "dpkg -l | grep ifp"
[08:25] <Harold> tritium, Yes, it's installed.  Version 0.2.4.5-1
[08:25] <tritium> parabolize, ah, okay.
[08:25] <tritium> Harold, good
[08:25] <parabolize> Harold, yep just plugin and open nautilus
[08:25] <tritium> parabolize, sorry, I missed your 2nd message
[08:27] <tritium> parabolize, as far as I know, there is no UMS for ifp-880.  Is that your understanding too?
[08:27] <parabolize> tritium, looking
[08:27] <tritium> thanks
[08:28] <Harold> parabolize, Have you been able to play OGG files under UMS?
[08:29] <Madpilot> g'night all.
[08:29] <robotgeek> nite
[08:29] <tritium> see you later Madpilot
[08:29] <parabolize> Harold, yes though some of the ones I riped in kde's program didn't work. when I reriped with gnome's program they worked
[08:30] <Guest1978714> can someone tell the the correct chmod level /etc should be?
[08:31] <Harold> tritium, I ran adduser <username> plugdev and it said the user was already a member of plugdev.  Yet when I tried running ifp-line from that user again, I received the error again.  The error, by the way: iRiver iFP device not found. Note: Please check USB connection.
[08:31] <fagr> sorry i just forgot the command what is the command to mount iso image in fstab
[08:32] <parabolize> tritium, yes it has a ums firmware http://www.iriver.com/html/support/download/sudw_view.asp?searchProductIdx=34&searchCategoryIdx=&searchString=&page=1&idx=656&tmpSearchProductIdx=&tmpSearchCategoryIdx=&tmpSearchString=
[08:32] <tritium> Harold, that's odd
[08:32] <Harold> tritium, Sure is.
[08:32] <tritium> thanks, parabolize :)
[08:32] <parabolize> yep
[08:32] <Harold> tritium, I have an odd install of ifp-line.
[08:32] <tritium> Harold, how so?
[08:33] <Harold> tritium, No, not really; I'm just saying that.
[08:33] <Harold> tritium, Now that you've got ifp-line, you can install ifpgnome.  It's a pretty cool gui package.
[08:33] <fagr> seem i never get help in this room
[08:33] <tritium> Harold, from source?
[08:34] <Harold> tritium, Lemme remember...
[08:34] <HAMM3R> does anyone know the correct chmod level /etc/ should be?
[08:35] <Harold> tritium: Here's info: http://ifp-gnome.sourceforge.net/
[08:35] <tritium> Harold, did you plug the player in _after_ installing pmp-common?
[08:35] <Harold> tritium, No, I didn't.  I'll try that.
[08:36] <Imsdle> Hey guys,  im trying to install tcl8.4-dev via apt-get install tcl8.4-dev but it didn't work
[08:36] <Imsdle> so i have downloaded it manually
[08:36] <Imsdle> where can i put the file?
[08:36] <Imsdle> so i can then run the apt-get again?
[08:37] <tritium> Imsdle, how did apt-get fail?
[08:37] <Harold> tritium, Radical.  It works!
[08:37] <tritium> Thanks for the link, Harold :)
[08:37] <Imsdle> coudn't find headers
[08:37] <Harold> tritium, You're welcome.  It's magic when it works this way, isn't it?
[08:37] <tritium> :)
[08:39] <Harold> tritium, There's a .deb file for Ubuntu on that ifp-Gnome page.
[08:39] <tritium> i noticed...
[08:43] <tritium> Harold, so you're not going to upgrade your firmware to UMS?
[08:44] <Harold> tritium, I don't see why I'd need to.
[08:44] <Harold> tritium, You?
[08:45] <tritium> not sure yet
[08:46] <Harold> tritium, Would it change the iRiver operating system?
[08:47] <tritium> Harold, it would change the firmware, yes.
[08:48] <Harold> tritium, Not certain I would want that; I'd have to find out more about it.  I'm used to the way it currently operates, and have no real issues with it.
[08:49] <tritium> Harold, same here.
[08:50] <Harold> Well, I'm calling it a night.  Currently setting up ifp-gnome, and I'll probably test it once before hitting the hay.
[08:51] <tritium> Good night.
[08:51] <Harold> tritium, Night to you!
[08:53] <robotgeek> Harold, nite!
[08:53] <pablo928> What's happened to Firefox? I just entered and saw a notice at the top of the page.
[08:53] <Harold> robotgeek, Nite, robotgeek!
[08:58] <toddmc> what is the ubuntu equivalent to chklist
[08:58] <toddmc> ??
[08:58] <robotgeek> toddmc, what does chklist do?
[08:58] <toddmc> the command to select what services start at boot
[08:58] <Computer__Guru> edit your sysv init system
[08:59] <Computer__Guru> install ksysv and use it
[08:59] <robotgeek> Computer__Guru, isn't /etc/init.d/services the debian way?
[08:59] <Computer__Guru> hrmm
[08:59] <Computer__Guru> is it?
[08:59] <Imsdle> what do you do when your trying to do an apt-get install but all you get is waiting for headers
[08:59] <Computer__Guru> i do it the hard way then
[08:59] <Imsdle> i have downlowased the file mannual.
[08:59] <Imsdle> can anyone tell me where to put it
[08:59] <robotgeek> you are a Computer__Guru
[09:00] <Computer__Guru> i just do it the hard way :)
[09:00] <Computer__Guru> Imsdle: dpkg -i name_of_file.deb
[09:00] <Doonz> hey guys i just reinstalled firefoc and now when i click on a link it doesnt do anything these links are downloads is there a etting i should look for???
[09:00] <toddmc> sorry its chkcfg
[09:00] <toddmc> chkconfig
[09:03] <Imsdle> you guys rock
[09:03] <Imsdle> thank you
[09:04] <toddmc> fyi - its update-rc.d
[09:04] <toddmc> is the equivalent to chkconfig (redhat/suse/etc
[09:04] <Imsdle> sudo /opt/quasar/bin/quasar_setup
[09:04] <Imsdle> /opt/quasar/bin/quasar_setup: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:04] <Imsdle> im stuck
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> try: apt-get -f install
[09:05] <Doonz> hey guys is is possible to modify the size of the main partition?
[09:05] <toddmc> tried partiion magic?
[09:06] <toddmc> also looking to install the kernel sources... ive got the kernel headers but the kernel sources in the package manager are the wrong version
[09:06] <toddmc> any ides/
[09:06] <toddmc> ideas?
[09:06] <Doonz> tried gparted cant do it
[09:06] <toddmc> doonz - partition magic baby
[09:07] <bob2> Doonz: "reinstalled"? why?
[09:07] <toddmc> its windows based... but it non destructive partitioning
[09:07] <bob2> toddmc: why do you want the kernel source?
[09:07] <toddmc> you aing gonna find that in linux
[09:07] <cyphase> whooooooooooooooooa
[09:07] <toddmc> bob2: yeah
[09:07] <cyphase> huge net-split..
[09:07] <bob2> er, there's a few linux tools which can resize existing partitions
[09:07] <pablo928> sudo apt-get install partition magic
[09:08] <Yoda_Sabre> anyone got an idea how to install xfce on ubuntu?
[09:08] <toddmc> bob2: what are the kernel sources labeled as?
[09:08] <bob2> toddmc: why do you want them?
[09:08] <Doonz> bob cause i tried the 64bit version, and too much was missing anyhow. when i installed it so i got what ever version of firefox is here but when i click on a download link it doesnt do anything
[09:08] <parabolize> Yoda_Sabre, apt-get install xfce ?
[09:08] <Doonz> also bob what program will allow me do resize my main partition?
[09:08] <toddmc> gotta vpn client i need to compile that requires them
[09:08] <Yoda_Sabre> i got the rpm but ubuntu fails to see it
[09:09] <bob2> toddmc: it's highly unlikely you need the source for that
[09:09] <bob2> why do you think the headers aren't enough?
[09:09] <bob2> Doonz: what filesystem is it?
[09:09] <patrickj> ello all again...
[09:09] <Doonz> ext3
[09:09] <yahalom> anyone here use dillo?
[09:09] <bob2> Doonz: 64-bit version of what?
[09:09] <Doonz> but its /
[09:09] <Doonz> 64bit of ubuntu
[09:09] <parabolize> Yoda_Sabre, rpm evil. deb good. use apt-get or aptitude.
[09:09] <bob2> Doonz: parted can do that, but you'll need to boot a live cd
[09:09] <robotgeek_> what the hell just happened?
[09:09] <snickkers> heyas. If I have more than soundcard installed in my box, how can I set which card generally gets sound played out of it?
[09:09] <toddmc> bob2: its stated sources.... but ill give it  a try real fast right now.... brb
[09:09] <Doonz> ok
[09:09] <bob2> Doonz: so you reinstalled your whole system with the i386 version of ubuntu?
[09:09] <patrickj> I ono
[09:09] <patrickj> rejoin the aterm though
[09:09] <patrickj> lol
[09:09] <Doonz> yeah cause nothing would work
[09:10] <bob2> snickkers: best to just disable the one you don't want
[09:10] <Doonz> i had a few things working
[09:10] <bob2> "nothing"?
[09:10] <Doonz> well
[09:10] <snickkers> bob2: how?
[09:10] <Doonz> a few things were
[09:10] <bob2> do you just mean "binary only stuff"?
[09:10] <Yoda_Sabre> well i got a few rpm files thats the only format i can get em in
[09:10] <Doonz> but the rest wouldnt
[09:10] <bob2> Yoda_Sabre: you don't use rpms on ubuntu, generally
[09:10] <Imsdle> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:10] <Imsdle>   tcl8.4-dev: Depends: tcl8.4 (= 8.4.7-1ubuntu1) but 8.4.9-1 is to be installed
[09:10] <Imsdle> E: Broken packages
[09:10] <bob2> Imsdle: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[09:10] <Imsdle> ok
[09:10] <bob2> snickkers: is one on-board?
[09:10] <Computer__Guru> what are some user managers besides kuser? cause kuser just crashes and crashes for no reason
[09:11] <parabolize> Yoda_Sabre, xfce is in ubuntu repos
[09:11] <bob2> people tend to just use adduer and deluser
[09:11] <Doonz> bob is gparted on the live cd?
[09:11] <Yoda_Sabre> it makes i difficult if the program has only rpm available now doesn't it
[09:11] <Imsdle> now what?
[09:11] <Computer__Guru> nah i like managers better
[09:11] <Yoda_Sabre> the repso k
[09:11] <snickkers> bob2: yeah. I want my on-board one to be the one sound comes out of. I also have a tuner card, which has an in-built sound card, which KDE is trying to use to play sound
[09:11] <bob2> Doonz: probably
[09:11] <z|bandito> you can use alien to convert the rpm package to a .deb
[09:11] <bob2> Yoda_Sabre: and which program is that?
[09:11] <Yoda_Sabre> but how do i get rpms to be seen i will need that for some other things
[09:11] <z|bandito> that's a requirement of installing bittorrent from source, for example (afaik)
[09:12] <bob2> snickkers: which driver does it use?
[09:12] <Yoda_Sabre> peng
[09:12] <Doonz> well lets see
[09:12] <parabolize> Yoda_Sabre open a term and type sudo apt-get install xfce4
[09:12] <Doonz> brb
[09:12] <bob2> Yoda_Sabre: what on earth is peng?
[09:12] <snickkers> bob2: as in ALSA?
[09:12] <Yoda_Sabre> for the only isp i got at the momnet
[09:12] <z|bandito> if you locate the .deb file after it's converted with alien then iirc you use dpkg to install it
[09:12] <bob2> Yoda_Sabre: in general, you try very hard to not use them.  try to find a tarball, for instance.  if there's no other option, you can use alien to convert it to a rpm.
[09:12] <bob2> er, to a .deb
[09:12] <Yoda_Sabre> no possiblity to change either
[09:12] <bob2> snickkers: yes
[09:12] <bob2> the only isp in your entire town requires some random binary software?
[09:13] <z|bandito> heh
[09:13] <jet2k5_> heh
[09:13] <bob2> Imsdle: no, that's not what I asked for
[09:13] <z|bandito> there's nothing wrong with knowing how to convert packages.. ;)
[09:13] <bob2> Imsdle: please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[09:13] <Yoda_Sabre> its not the only one around here but im stuck with it or no internet
[09:13] <toddmc> bob2: i guess all i needed was the headers... you were right
[09:14] <bob2> if it's not the only one, how are you stuck with that or nothing?
[09:14] <snickkers> bob2: in the volume mixer program, it says: Realtek ALC655 rev 0 (OSS mixer), and SiS SI7012 (ALSA mixer)
[09:14] <Yoda_Sabre> no csh for a decent one
[09:14] <z|bandito> if you download the bittorrent source there are instructions on building the rpm and cconverting it with alien to deb and installing.. there are probably other how-to faqs on the web
[09:14] <bob2> snickkers: ok
[09:14] <Yoda_Sabre> cash*
[09:14] <snickkers> I only install ubuntu (hoary) yesterday, so everythibng is still as defaults
[09:14] <bob2> snickkers: you need to find out which one your tv tuner is using
[09:14] <snickkers> bob2: I believe the SiS is the tuner card
[09:15] <bob2> snickkers: what does "lsmod | grep sis" print then?
[09:15] <Imsdle> done bob2
[09:15] <bob2> Imsdle: get rid of the backports lines
[09:17] <Imsdle> naa that didn't work
[09:17] <vinboy_> why i am unable to go to firefox's extensions website?
[09:17] <vinboy_> it says my firefox has a bug
[09:17] <bob2> Imsdle: get rid of them and run 'sudo apt-get update'
[09:17] <bob2> vinboy_: is that really word for word what it says?
[09:17] <Imsdle> ok
[09:17] <vinboy_> no
[09:17] <vinboy_> hang on
[09:17] <vinboy_> i paste it
[09:18] <patrickj> ello
[09:18] <snickkers> bob2: pasted privately that lsmod output
[09:18] <bob2> vinboy_: in #flood, not here
[09:18] <vinboy_> ok
[09:18] <vinboy_> did u see it
[09:18] <bob2> so, it didn't say that your firefox had a bug at all
[09:19] <patrickj> how do I uninstall packages?
[09:19] <vinboy_> oh
[09:19] <vinboy_> yea
[09:19] <bob2> go to about:config in firefox and change app.version to 1.0.6, I guess
[09:20] <vinboy_> ok
[09:20] <vinboy_> thanks
[09:20] <Imsdle> naa not working
[09:20] <bob2> patrickj: select them in synaptic and choose "remove"
[09:21] <parabolize> patrickj, sudo apt-get remove 'whatever'
[09:21] <bob2> Imsdle: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list again
[09:21] <parabolize> synaptic works to
[09:21] <raven3x7> hi
[09:21] <patrickj> is there any desktop clock programs?
[09:21] <patrickj> n/m
[09:21] <toddmc> bob2: but anyway... where do you install the kernel sources from?
[09:21] <mebaran151> patrickj, should be there automatically
[09:22] <bob2> toddmc: you don't, generally
[09:22] <mebaran151> toddmc, you have a pkg
[09:22] <bob2> toddmc: it's in the linux-source-* packages, tho
[09:22] <mebaran151> if you want to compile your own
[09:22] <mebaran151> the default one is pretty decent
[09:22] <toddmc> bob2: its the wrong version listed... its a 2.4 kernel
[09:22] <patrickj> i know but I mean like a text based calender
[09:22] <mebaran151> bob2, where are the restricted modules going to be compiled for Breezy
[09:22] <patrickj> it dont matter neways :d
[09:22] <patrickj> I just need to generate me those menus :d
[09:22] <bob2> toddmc: I don't know what you're talking about, ubuntu certainly has the linux-source-2.6 packages
[09:22] <mebaran151> patrickj, uh evolution?
[09:22] <toddmc> patrickj: click on the clock in the upper right corner itll show you
[09:23] <toddmc> the calender
[09:23] <bob2> mebaran151: when breezy is even vaguely ready for user testing
[09:23] <bob2> give them another couple of weeks
[09:23] <mebaran151> ah ok, I wanted to help fix bugs
[09:24] <mebaran151> but my card makes everything look absolutely rancid under VESA
[09:24] <raven3x7> are there any readers for pdb books for linux?
[09:24] <bob2> Imsdle: sudo aptitude install tcl8.4=8.4.7-1ubuntu1
[09:24] <bob2> Imsdle: and don't use debian .debs in future
[09:24] <patrickj> is coloured fonts in eterm memory intensive?
[09:25] <bob2> no
[09:25] <bob2> just hard to read and annoying
[09:25] <mebaran151> bob2, just off hand, do you know if compiling a custom kernel module for the Ubuntu is too hard?
[09:25] <Imsdle> bob2.. you rock.. thank you
[09:25] <robotgeek_> what's the screen capture command?
[09:25] <bob2> mebaran151: same as on any other OS
[09:25] <bob2> robotgeek_: import -root screenshot.png
[09:25] <patrickj> so standard white is recommended?
[09:25] <robotgeek_> thanks
[09:26] <mebaran151> bob2, ok so no big deal
[09:26] <skyhawker> hi, I'm having a lot of trouble finding/installing wine, can someone walk me through it?
[09:26] <parabolize> robotgeek_, print key works...
[09:26] <bob2> mebaran151: some modules are simple because they're packaged for ubuntu
[09:26] <mebaran151> yeah
[09:26] <robotgeek_> i dont have one!
[09:26] <mebaran151> exactly
[09:26] <toddmc> hrmm... when i do a search for kernel-source-2.6.10 in synaptic it doesnt appear
[09:26] <mebaran151> as long as I am compiling my own modules I am going to compile a custom kernel
[09:26] <bob2> robotgeek_: you'll need imagemagick installed for that command to work
[09:26] <toddmc> but when i do a apt-cache search kenel source it shows the 2.6.10 package
[09:26] <toddmc> weird
[09:26] <bob2> toddmc: yes, it's linux-source, not kernel-source
[09:27] <robotgeek_> bob2, i do have that
[09:28] <patrickj> where are the cofiguration files for torsmo?
[09:28] <patrickj> n/m
[09:28] <parabolize> robotgeek_, gnome-screenshot will also work
[09:28] <toddmc> damn bob2 you are on cue - how do you do it....
[09:28] <robotgeek_> yeah..i saw that
[09:29] <robotgeek_> thanks
[09:30] <Razor-X> I unplugged it without unmounting... now it won't remount
[09:30] <toddmc> reboot baby
[09:30] <Razor-X> toddmc: that's _last_ resort
[09:30] <toddmc> or choose a new mount point
[09:30] <Razor-X> how many people reboot Linux boxes?
[09:30] <Razor-X> toddmc: mount point exists buddy ;)
[09:30] <Razor-X> the device doesen't
[09:30] <toddmc> you could try to force the unmount
[09:30] <robotgeek_> #ubuntu :Cannot join channel (throttled), when i try to change my nick to my old one?
[09:30] <Razor-X> toddmc: I did
[09:30] <toddmc> but ive never had that work with the ipod
[09:31] <toddmc> it always required a reboot
[09:31] <mebaran151> Razor-X, eh, you have to make udev play nice
[09:31] <mebaran151> and I dont think it will
[09:31] <coobra> o/
[09:31] <robotgeek_> i try not to reboot, but do when my laptop hangs on wake!
[09:31] <Razor-X> not only that
[09:31] <Razor-X> but, I'm not understanding
[09:31] <Razor-X> the iRock is supposed to be nice, and Linux friendly
[09:31] <bob2> that's not a udev problem
[09:31] <mebaran151> oh
[09:31] <mebaran151> wait
[09:31] <mebaran151> it didnt unmount
[09:31] <Razor-X> yet, it didn't work -- till I recently gave this thing a firmware polish and a reformat
[09:32] <bob2> hard unmounting things is not a good idea
[09:32] <mebaran151> could you try deleting it from the mtab?
[09:32] <mebaran151> might just trick it .....
[09:32] <Razor-X> it default formats to fat... not quite sure just how long filenames worked before
[09:32] <bob2> I'm pretty sure tat won't wor
[09:32] <Razor-X> mebaran151: don't think it's in mtab
[09:32] <bob2> fat does long filenames
[09:32] <Razor-X> bob2: err, not fat
[09:32] <Razor-X> msdos
[09:32] <mebaran151> yeah, fat does, because Win95 had long file names
[09:33] <bob2> msdos = fat = long filenames
[09:33] <Razor-X> bob2: then why are the filenames getting truncated?
[09:33] <La_PaRCa> bob2, actually, long filenames is fat32
[09:33] <La_PaRCa> bob2, fat 16, as in dos. does not support long file names
[09:33] <bob2> I'm pretty damn sure windows 95 had long filenames
[09:33] <mebaran151> Razor-X, reformat the player with FAT32
[09:33] <mebaran151> wroth a shot
[09:33] <bob2> Razor-X: I don't know
[09:33] <Razor-X> mebaran151: was thinking of that
[09:33] <mebaran151> yeah bob2 they introduced FAT32 with Win95
[09:33] <Razor-X> but, i'm not sure if that'll work
[09:33] <mebaran151> worth a shot
[09:33] <Razor-X> because of the firmware, and other crap
[09:33] <bob2> I'm pretty sure that's not the case
[09:33] <bob2> I could be wrong
[09:34] <Razor-X> should I straightaway mkfs.vfat, or should I dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda1 ?
[09:34] <mebaran151> bob2,  just looked it up
[09:34] <mebaran151> yep
[09:34] <mebaran151> it was introduced with Win95 OSR2
[09:34] <Razor-X> mebaran151: exactly
[09:34] <Razor-X> I remember not having long filenames
[09:34] <bob2> except that windows 95 itself had long filenames
[09:35] <Razor-X> so, should I write the fs straightaway, or null it first?
[09:35] <Razor-X> i'm just wondering if this'll overwrite the firmware 'r not
[09:35] <Razor-X> and it's a mystery why the filenames are being truncated
[09:35] <mebaran151> Razor-X, I bet firmware is kept somewhere else
[09:35] <Razor-X> if this continues, i'll just set up a VLC session on the laptop there, and copy files that way
[09:35] <bob2> wikipedia seems to agree with me
[09:35] <Razor-X> mebaran151: hoping so
[09:35] <mebaran151> fat32 its the only one using 4 bytes per filename
[09:35] <Razor-X> should I null it?
[09:35] <Razor-X> or should I mkfs first?
[09:36] <bob2> er, running mkfs on an mp3 player is not to be done lightly
[09:36] <toddmc> bob2: thanks... g'night
[09:36] <antix> have some trouble installing iPodder.  "ImportError: No module named players"
[09:36] <bob2> you're sure the system needs nothing on there?
[09:36] <mebaran151> I wouldnt know
[09:36] <Razor-X> bob2: will it physically do anything bad?
[09:36] <bob2> my iaudio stores it's firmware there
[09:36] <Razor-X> bob2: I backed up everything else
[09:36] <bob2> Razor-X: it could turn it into a paperweight
[09:36] <patrickj> hey I was wondering where the Torsmo config files were, because I would like to configure it
[09:36] <bob2> it seems extremely unlikley that reformating it would help
[09:36] <Razor-X> bob2: I could put the firmware on again
[09:36] <patrickj> Customize it
[09:36] <Razor-X> antix: I had that problem meself
[09:36] <mebaran151> Razor-X, yeah so nohting too bad would happen
[09:36] <Razor-X> it's some python package, I just gave up on iPodder
[09:37] <patrickj> ?
[09:37] <bob2> Razor-X: why do you think reformatting it will help anything at all?
[09:37] <antix> Razor-X, ok did you find something else?
[09:37] <bob2> do you have evidence that the filesystem is physically damaged?
[09:37] <Razor-X> I use a custom bashpodder script written by some guy
[09:37] <mebaran151> bob2, according to MS, fat uses only 8.3 file names
[09:37] <parabolize> patrickj, home folder. should be called .torsmorc
[09:37] <bob2> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Filesystems-HOWTO-3.html seems to imply that long filename support is orthogonal to fat32
[09:37] <Razor-X> go to bashpodder
[09:37] <patrickj> okay
[09:37] <patrickj> and I CD into it?
[09:38] <Razor-X> and then, get Brian Hefferan's
[09:38] <Razor-X> that's the one I prefer
[09:38] <antix> Razor-X, thanks
[09:38] <parabolize> patrickj, gedit ~/.torsmorc
[09:38] <Razor-X> bob2: I gave a format just earlier
[09:38] <Razor-X> only it was in Windows and through a nice little utility
[09:38] <bob2> Razor-X: why would that help?
[09:38] <Computer__Guru> who's on videotron.ca here?
[09:38] <Razor-X> well, iRock is supposed to be real Linux friendly, but when I read it in
[09:38] <patrickj> kk thanks :d
[09:38] <Razor-X> i'ld see whacky file duplicates
[09:39] <Razor-X> and Linux would eventually hang with the drive
[09:39] <bob2> mebaran151: http://tinyurl.com/2ozuo seems to state clearly that fat16 does long filenames
[09:39] <Razor-X> I mean, it is a UMS drive, after all
[09:39] <bob2> "UMS"?
[09:39] <Razor-X> USB Mass Storage
[09:39] <mebaran151> bob2, just reading the MS knolwedge base article
[09:39] <parabolize> patrickj, If there isn't one there here is a example: /usr/share/doc/torsmo/examples/torsmorc.sample.gz
[09:39] <mebaran151> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/100108/EN-US/
[09:40] <regeya_> gah.  I could swear that Scribus used to be listed under "Office"
[09:40] <parabolize> got to open the gz though
[09:40] <regeya_> NO LONGER
[09:40] <Razor-X> so.... format or not to format
[09:40] <Razor-X> that is the question
[09:40] <bob2> mebaran151: that doesn't seem to mention either way.  the link I pasted say it does.
[09:40] <Razor-X> or, should I just give up using a supremely Linux friendly player in Linux.... :(
[09:40] <Imsdle>  sudo /opt/quasar/bin/quasar_setup
[09:40] <Imsdle> /opt/quasar/bin/quasar_setup: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:41] <bob2> Razor-X: it doesn't sound that friendly
[09:41] <Imsdle> oops.. i suppose i should have asked a question first..
[09:41] <bob2> iaudio and iriver's don't need any special tools at all
[09:41] <bob2> Imsdle: install libtcl8.4-dev
[09:41] <Razor-X> bob2: you're both wrong ;)
[09:42] <bob2> Razor-X: how?
[09:42] <Razor-X> vfat is the one with long filenames
[09:42] <Razor-X> it's a rendition to FAT16
[09:42] <Razor-X> but, not FAT16 itself
[09:42] <parabolize> bob2, only true if it has a UMS firmware on it
[09:42] <bob2> so the fat16 on0disk format does long filenames
[09:42] <Imsdle> E: Couldn't find package libtcl8.4-de
[09:42] <patrickj> is the config only one file?
[09:42] <mebaran151> bob2, ah it is hack
[09:42] <Imsdle> E: Couldn't find package libtcl8.4-dev
[09:42] <mebaran151> they store the long file name in a secret place
[09:42] <Razor-X> bob2: no, it's not vfat, it's msdos
[09:42] <La_PaRCa> Razor-X, Im having the exact same trouble with my psp
[09:42] <bob2> Imsdle: tcl8.4-dev then
[09:42] <Razor-X> and, IIRC, msdos is FAT16
[09:42] <La_PaRCa> Razor-X, if you fix it, let me know
[09:42] <parabolize> patrickj, yep a simple text file
[09:42] <mebaran151> yes but FAT16 is not vfat
[09:42] <bob2> Razor-X: "msdos" is the name of a linux module, not a filesystem
[09:42] <Razor-X> La_PaRCa: but, see, google says iRock is so nice and happy
[09:43] <mebaran151> vfat adds a hack to allow long file names
[09:43] <La_PaRCa> Razor-X, what does google know?
[09:43] <bob2> anyway, my point was the disk format is the same
[09:43] <Razor-X> La_PaRCa: i've googled ``Linux iRock''
[09:43] <parabolize> patrickj, want mine so you don't have to mess with it?
[09:43] <mebaran151> Razor-X, the long filenames are stored in special directory entries
[09:43] <mattyJ> i have beagle installed and working, how could i get it so it starts up by default?
[09:43] <mebaran151> so MSDOS doesnt get too worried
[09:43] <Razor-X> bob2: well, from an article on RedHat, it says that msdos == fat15
[09:44] <Razor-X> s/15/16/
[09:44] <bob2> yes
[09:44] <mebaran151> mattyJ, you could just save your session when you logout
[09:44] <bob2> vfat presumably is the new driver that knows how to read long filenames from a fat16 filesystem
[09:44] <Razor-X> but fat16 != vfat
[09:44] <mebaran151> whenever you log back in you will have the same apps running
[09:44] <Razor-X> exactly
[09:44] <Razor-X> but, this thing is being read as msdos
[09:44] <Razor-X> hmmm, maybe i'll change that bit....
[09:44] <mebaran151> yeah, vfat is a hack msdos
[09:44] <bob2> so mount it as vfat then
[09:44] <mebaran151> yeah
[09:44] <mebaran151> try mounting as vfat
[09:45] <Imsdle> bob2: i think i need to uninstall the tcl8.4_8.4.9-1_i386.deb i installed before
[09:45] <bob2> Imsdle: no
[09:45] <bob2> Imsdle: please stop installing random non-ubuntu .debs
[09:45] <Razor-X> then lemme restart and see my luck
[09:45] <bob2> unless you intend to fix it yourself instead of bothering other people
[09:45] <Imsdle> i hanv't installed anymore
[09:45] <Imsdle> only isntalled the one
[09:45] <Imsdle> before.....
[09:45] <bob2> yes, which was silly, don't do it again
[09:46] <Imsdle> i won't .. im sorry :|
[09:46] <bob2> it's absolutely in the tcl8.4-dev package
[09:46] <bob2> tho no binary should be using .so's directly
[09:46] <Imsdle> i can't seam to download it... it just sits waiting for headers
[09:47] <sophtpaw> abracadabra
[09:47] <Imsdle> thats why i downloaded the other one thinking it would fix it...  silly me
[09:47] <sophtpaw> hocus pocus
[09:47] <Computer__Guru> bob2: i just added a sandisk compactflash reader, and linux found it. now, i inserted the cf card, where do i go to get to it? how do i mount it? what device is it?
[09:48] <bob2> please just ask the channel
[09:48] <sophtpaw> is this the right place to ask about how to install a package?
[09:48] <bob2> but run 'tail -f /var/log/messages' and unplug and replug it
[09:48] <bob2> sophtpaw: yes...
[09:48] <La_PaRCa> sophtpaw, it is, it is
[09:48] <Computer__Guru> anybody: i just added a sandisk compactflash reader, and linux found it. now, i inserted the cf card, where do i go to get to it? how do i mount it? what device is it?
[09:48] <sophtpaw> i want to install freemind, but i don't know how to
[09:48] <Computer__Guru> heh ok
[09:49] <DaeDaluz> the comment in the topic about firefox is about the fact that firefox totally shutsdown when I close a tab? :x
[09:49] <sophtpaw> oh, good, thx
[09:49] <La_PaRCa> DaeDaluz, no, not really
[09:49] <bob2> DaeDaluz: no, it's related to odd segfaults when using lots of extensions
[09:49] <DaeDaluz> hm
[09:49] <Computer__Guru> heh, /dev/sda
[09:49] <DaeDaluz> any idea why my firefox totally shutsdown then when I close a tab? :p
[09:50] <Razor-X> my device still isn't being detected!
[09:50] <Razor-X> oh wait...
[09:50] <bob2> presuambly you're triggering that bug
[09:50] <Razor-X> hah, I haven't connected it yet!
[09:50] <Huntz> Well Dae i had that experince in a screwed up install of firefox
[09:50] <Huntz> ever thought of removing it and installing it again?
[09:50] <bob2> that won't help
[09:50] <DaeDaluz> It came along with the update
[09:50] <bob2> if you're using hoary, it's almost certainly casued by the above bug
[09:51] <Huntz> so I install mine seprately
[09:51] <Huntz> what verison ya have Dae?
[09:51] <sophtpaw> i have a package called Freemind_0.7.1-6_all.deb but do not want to use kpackage to install
[09:51] <DaeDaluz> 1.0.2
[09:51] <bob2> that's unlikely to work on ubuntu
[09:51] <Huntz> Bob2
[09:51] <bob2> also, it probably doesn't have a capital F
[09:51] <Huntz> Im running ubuntu
[09:51] <Huntz> and i have 1.0.6
[09:52] <sophtpaw> freemind?
[09:52] <Huntz> so dont tell me that
[09:52] <Huntz> lol
[09:52] <bob2> Huntz: that's great
[09:52] <bob2> Huntz: 1.0.2 is what is in hoary
[09:52] <Huntz> lol
[09:52] <sophtpaw> no it doesn't have capital f
[09:52] <mattyJ> anyone know any good free games for linux, besides frozen bubble
[09:52] <bob2> and has the extension bug caused by upstream
[09:52] <sophtpaw> but should run on ubuntu nonetheless
[09:52] <bob2> sophtpaw: so, 'sudo dpkg -i freemind_blah.deb'
[09:52] <bob2> well, "should" is a little strong, it may work
[09:52] <Shorty`> anyone know of any issues with the *new* ia32 utils ?
[09:52] <DaeDaluz> bob2 for the firefox bug ill just wait for an update? or is there anything I can do myself? :)
[09:52] <Shorty`> ia32-libs sorry
[09:53] <sophtpaw> thx bob will try
[09:53] <bob2> DaeDaluz: you just have to wait
[09:53] <DaeDaluz> oke :)
[09:53] <bob2> it should have bee nfixed by now
[09:54] <DaeDaluz> And I wanted to activate some exstensions for php yesterday, but I realised I dont have the config file, so I cant configure it with the extension enable :x
[09:54] <Huntz> Dae just download the installer point it to the default installation path of firefox it will detect a previous installation say yes to clearing it and it will install its self mind you do this in root and you will be fine.
[09:54] <bob2> please don't install from a tarball over /usr
[09:54] <bob2> that's just silly
[09:54] <Huntz> I said installer, im not going to push tars on him
[09:54] <Huntz> Installer <-- bob not tar
[09:54] <bob2> same thing
[09:55] <Huntz> not really firefox has a graphical install display
[09:55] <sophtpaw> bob? dpkg: error processing freemind_0.7.1-6_all.deb (--install):
[09:55] <sophtpaw>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[09:55] <sophtpaw> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:55] <sophtpaw>  freemind_0.7.1-6_all.deb
[09:55] <bob2> in the sense they both overwrite the ubuntu package
[09:55] <bob2> sophtpaw: you gave it the wrong filename
[09:55] <Huntz> um no it asks for permission to remove preivous content
[09:55] <bob2> sophtpaw: perhaps you're not in the directory you downloaded to
[09:55] <raven3x7> i asked a question about readers and/or converters for pdb books but my connection droped so i dunno if anyone answered
[09:55] <sophtpaw> hmm, i don't know, i downloaded it is all
[09:55] <bob2> Huntz: ... and if you say yes, it overwrite the package
[09:56] <bob2> if you want to install from outside ubuntu, to do /usr/local/firefox or whatever
[09:56] <bob2> sophtpaw: well, only you know what directory you put it in
[09:57] <sophtpaw> will it definitely even be in a directory?
[09:57] <sophtpaw> right now its sitting on my desktop
[09:57] <bob2> then you need to cd to ~/Desktop first
[09:58] <Razor-X> hmmmm
[09:58] <Razor-X> this time, it all works
[09:58] <Razor-X> only... if I try and remount it... the device does not exist
[09:58] <raven3x7> does anyone know any readers and/or converters for pdb books?
[09:58] <Razor-X> orrr..., nevermind
[09:59] <pablo928> I need  Libmp3lame.so to export mp3files from Audacity.  When I do a file search I'm told it's in /usr/lib, but in which folder? Does anyone know?
[09:59] <bob2> raven3x7: apt-cache search pdb
[09:59] <DaeDaluz> How come archive manager always extracts in the dir I selected instead of the dir im in, for instance if im in /home/ and I have selected daedaluz/ it extracts in daedaluz/ instead of /home/
[09:59] <DaeDaluz> ;o
[09:59] <bob2> raven3x7: txt2pdbdoc looks interesting
[09:59] <bob2> pablo928: it's not in ubuntu
[09:59] <bob2> pablo928: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:59] <v1ru5> i cannot get GRUB installed from the Ubuntu install. (re-installed/tried about 8 times now, kinda pissed) Everything else works out just fine but not it. IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE WAY (like putting it to a floppy [how?] ) OF GETTING GRUB TO WORK??
[10:00] <bob2> mabe it's in multiverse now
[10:00] <bob2> v1ru5: please don't take your frustration out on strangers you're asking for help from
[10:00] <v1ru5> sorry for the caps :/
[10:00] <bob2> v1ru5: I'd assume your cd is busted until you check and show otherwise
[10:00] <v1ru5> but seriously, i'm on a dead end
[10:00] <sturmflut> Hi, does anybody know something about the status of the sata_promise kernel module? Ubuntu kernel 2.6.10-5 contains a version of it that is able to detect and use the PATA Port of the Promise TX2/TX2 S-ATA controller, while Ubuntu kernel 2.6.11-1, vanilla 2.6.11.x and 2.6.12.x all contain a version without the PATA support
[10:01] <sturmflut> I need support for the PATA port of this controller otherwise I can't use one of my hard disks
[10:01] <v1ru5> bob2: umm. ok. Is GRUB Legacy same as GRUB?
[10:01] <bob2> v1ru5: I've never heard of "grub legacy"
[10:01] <Huntz> A bob
[10:01] <Huntz> look at this http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/4569/screenshot0iv.png
[10:02] <Huntz> sure sounds like its overriding contents now doesnt it?
[10:02] <bob2> what?
[10:02] <raven3x7> bob2 thanks
[10:02] <Huntz> look at the screenshot
[10:02] <bob2> yes, I did
[10:02] <bob2> you were advocating saying "yes" to the that question
[10:02] <Huntz> that is what i was prompting him for it will purge the directory before installzation
[10:02] <bob2> yes, indeed
[10:02] <v1ru5> bob2: well it's on GNU org's pages. They only list GRUB Legacy and GRUB2. and the legacy is only available as a test download.. Where to get GRUB the regular version? (i mean, you probably know how to build a boot floppy with it)
[10:03] <Huntz> no i was saying it would allow a option to purge the directory and not overwrite the content
[10:03] <bob2> v1ru5: grub is grub legacy
[10:03] <DaeDaluz> Anyone got any experience with the G++ compiler? :>
[10:03] <bob2> Huntz: and? you're still replacing the ubuntu package with the tarball
[10:03] <bob2> DaeDaluz: best to just ask your question
[10:03] <bob2> or installer or wwhatever
[10:04] <DaeDaluz> It says #include <iostream.h> is old and I should use #include <iostream> without .h, but it doesnt recongnize #include <iostream>
[10:04] <Huntz> the installer is tared up yes but its not using tar and make to create the firefox appication
[10:04] <bob2> yes, indeed
[10:04] <bob2> my point is that you're overwriting the data dpkg put there
[10:04] <bob2> which is bad
[10:05] <bob2> DaeDaluz: so, paste your code and the full error to #flood
[10:05] <Huntz> You should have specfied that
[10:05] <Huntz> lol
[10:05] <sophtpaw> bob? it would appear that i've downlaoded freemind to /usr/lib/mime/debian-view
[10:05] <TheVox> bob2: you actually can't overwrite the dpgk'ed firefox with the one from the installer...the one from the installer spits everything out in a single dir
[10:05] <Huntz> I have upgrading from previous verisons of ubuntu and customed it as ussual and it hasnt affected my system's upgrade capacity though
[10:05] <bob2> sophtpaw: that's pretty unlikely
[10:05] <bob2> TheVox: hm, ok
[10:06] <sophtpaw> really? from the freemind sourceforge page
[10:06] <bob2> sophtpaw: unless you're running firefox as root, which would be silly
[10:06] <sophtpaw> that is what it says it downloads to
[10:06] <bob2> sophtpaw: anyway, if you  can see it on the desktop, it's in ~/Desktop
[10:06] <Huntz> lol who runs firefox in root lol
[10:06] <TheVox> bob2: nevertheless, I still recommend spitting it out to a dir in your own home and not somewhere system-wide unless you are on a computer that actually gets used by multiple users.
[10:06] <ghetek> how do i give a uid=1000 user called "administrator" access to a folder called "/var/www" in the console?
[10:06] <bob2> ghetek: sudo chown administrator /var/www/
[10:07] <sophtpaw> so? cd ~/Desktop?
[10:07] <bob2> sophtpaw: yes
[10:07] <Huntz> Though what id like to know is what is with the Ubuntu foundation extactly?
[10:07] <glick> damn, firefox goes down more than a two dollar crack whore
[10:07] <Huntz> rofl
[10:07] <TheVox> Huntz: I've seen people run X as root
[10:07] <glick> whats wit that
[10:07] <bob2> Huntz: it's going to found some ubuntu development over the next few years
[10:07] <bob2> glick: please read the code of conduct
[10:08] <sophtpaw> bob: and now sudo dpkg -i freemind blah.deb ?
[10:08] <bob2> and there's a known segfaulty bug in firefoxz at the moment which will be fixed soon
[10:08] <bob2> sophtpaw: if it's in that directory, yes
[10:08] <sophtpaw> what is the command to check what is in that dir?
[10:08] <TheVox> ls
[10:08] <bob2> DaeDaluz: whatever book you're learning C++ from is really old
[10:08] <DaeDaluz> yeah :(
[10:09] <raven3x7> glick u have the gpl flish lib installed?
[10:09] <bob2> DaeDaluz: make the line after #include be "using namespace std;"
[10:09] <parabolize> sophtpaw, ls
[10:09] <bob2> no quotes
[10:09] <sophtpaw> thx parabolo
[10:09] <robotgeek> anyone to help with sound skipping in bmp?
[10:10] <glick> raven3x7, i think so
[10:10] <DaeDaluz> thanks it works bob2 :)
[10:10] <robotgeek> also, beep just stopped with a nice error message. though i dunno howto fix it!
[10:10] <robotgeek> !wiki
[10:11] <raven3x7> glick it is very unstable. i had the same problem and installing the none-free one solved the problem. if you have multiverse you should be able to apt get it
[10:11] <bob2> then perhaps you should paste the error to #flood se everyone can see it
[10:11] <robotgeek> bob2, me?
[10:11] <sophtpaw> confused! : after ls freemind does appear to be there
[10:12] <sophtpaw> conrad@x1-6-00-0b-6a-16-78-f0conrad:~/Desktop$ ls
[10:12] <sophtpaw> freemind_0-1.7.1-6_all.deb  freemind_0.7.1-6_all.deb
[10:12] <bob2> robotgeek: yes
[10:12] <glick> raven3x7, is it easy to uninstall?
[10:12] <bob2> sophtpaw: yes, it is there
[10:12] <sophtpaw> yet, when i command to install:
[10:12] <sophtpaw> conrad@x1-6-00-0b-6a-16-78-f0conrad:~/Desktop$ sudo dpkg -i freemind_0.1.7.1-6_all.deb
[10:12] <sophtpaw> Password:
[10:12] <sophtpaw> dpkg: error processing freemind_0.1.7.1-6_all.deb (--install):
[10:12] <sophtpaw>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[10:12] <sophtpaw> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:12] <sophtpaw>  freemind_0.1.7.1-6_all.deb
[10:12] <ghetek> I did the chown -R administrator /var/www and now "administrator" gets permission denied on ftp
[10:12] <robotgeek> done, pasted in #flood
[10:13] <sophtpaw> it says that there is no such file or dir?!
[10:13] <bob2> ghetek: "on ftp"?
[10:13] <bob2> sophtpaw: what does "ls -ld  freemind_0.1.7.1-6_all.deb" print?
[10:13] <v1ru5> how can i make a boot disk that loads up grub?
[10:13] <bob2> robotgeek: best to tell it to use esd
[10:13] <ghetek> bob2: yeah i need that user to get in via ftp
[10:13] <Loix> hi all
[10:14] <robotgeek> okay...does anyone have the link at hand on the howto?
[10:14] <parabolize> Loix, hello
[10:14] <bob2> ghetek:  you know ftp is highly insecure, right?
[10:14] <bob2> robotgeek: as the output plugin...
[10:14] <ghetek> bob2: yeah but i need this thing to work with dreamweaver
[10:14] <Loix> parabolize, hi
[10:14] <raven3x7> glick search for flash in synaptic. you will see a few entries. remove libflash0 and install flashplugin-nonfree. then apply changes
[10:14] <noski> ./list
[10:14] <robotgeek> bob2, i the howto on multiple streams or smthing :)
[10:14] <robotgeek> thanks
[10:15] <sophtpaw> bob: printed the whole thing -
[10:15] <sophtpaw> conrad@x1-6-00-0b-6a-16-78-f0conrad:~/Desktop$ ls -ld freemind_0.1.7.1-6_all.debls: freemind_0.1.7.1-6_all.deb: No such file or directory
[10:15] <vinboy> hi
[10:15] <vinboy> i installed realplayer10
[10:15] <Huntz> hey
[10:15] <Loix> i have  Q's
[10:15] <vinboy> but when I run it, nothing happen
[10:15] <parabolize> Loix, ask
[10:16] <robotgeek> bob2, skips a lot, what to do :-?
[10:16] <bob2> robotgeek: increase the buffer size
[10:16] <bob2> I can't guess what the problem is based on the little information you gave
[10:16] <raven3x7> vinboy try calling it from the terminal to see it  it reports any errors
[10:16] <bob2> sophtpaw: then you got the filename wrong
[10:16] <TheVox> http://www.ee.ryerson.ca:8080/~elf/hack/recovery.html <---- that's the sysadmin's story of the century
[10:17] <bob2> sophtpaw: sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/freemind_0.7.1-6_all.deb
[10:17] <vinboy> raven3x7, no error at all
[10:17] <robotgeek> bob2, increased it to about 10 secs (10000 ms) and now sound is skipping
[10:17] <Loix> i want install full packges for ubuntu
[10:17] <Loix> i have 1 CD
[10:17] <bob2> robotgeek: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[10:17] <vinboy> does helix player play real media video?
[10:17] <Huntz> you got alot of time Loix?
[10:17] <Loix> sorry Huntz ;p
[10:17] <Huntz> you will need it perhaps you should use the unoffical guide
[10:17] <robotgeek> bob2, thanks...will look!
[10:18] <Huntz> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[10:18] <liraz> when trying to boot windows I get the error: partition type 0x7 unkown and NTLDR missing at the bottom. I've ensured this is the right partition(hd1,0). My windows is on first partition second harddrive. Has grub erased somthing which loads windows?
[10:19] <Loix> parabolize, are u with me ?
[10:19] <raven3x7> vinboy so you installed succesfully?
[10:19] <raven3x7> vinboy sorry mixed up threads
[10:19] <vinboy> yup
[10:19] <parabolize> Loix, I don't get what your asking. you want ALL the packages in ubuntus many repos?
[10:20] <vinboy> no problem at all during installation
[10:20] <TheVox> Loix: uhm...the entire ubuntu is 14 gigabytes of data...compressed.
[10:20] <Loix> yes
[10:21] <vinboy> raven3x7, maybe i'll go get the binary from real.copm
[10:21] <parabolize> Loix, umm... why?
[10:21] <Loix> i need CD2 And 3 etc ?
[10:21] <robotgeek> bob2, looked at it...am gonna get to it a bit later, i'll use bmp with the alsa-plugin for now, thanks anyways
[10:21] <ivan_> anybody know where to find a universes repository?
[10:21] <raven3x7> vinboy hmmm. that could wok but the program crashing without a message is eird
[10:21] <sophtpaw> bob: looks promising!
[10:21] <sophtpaw> conrad@x1-6-00-0b-6a-16-78-f0conrad:~/Desktop$ sudo dpkg -i freemind_0.7.1-6_all.deb
[10:21] <sophtpaw> Selecting previously deselected package freemind.
[10:21] <sophtpaw> (Reading database ... 82528 files and directories currently installed.)
[10:21] <sophtpaw> Unpacking freemind (from freemind_0.7.1-6_all.deb) ...
[10:21] <sophtpaw> Setting up freemind (0.7.1-6) ...
[10:21] <parabolize> Loix, no.
[10:22] <vinboy> raven3x7, yea..... no error at all... it just freeze in the console
[10:22] <parabolize> Loix, just a connection to the net.
[10:22] <cyphase> who thinks Firefox can reach 100 million downloads by the end of the year?
[10:22] <Huntz> I might think so i heard IE7 is for Xp users only which locks out alot of 2000 users etc
[10:22] <Loix> aha mmmm cool
[10:22] <raven3x7> vinboy what do you mean freeze? the console stopped responding?
[10:22] <ghetek>  i want to make a user "administrator" be able to access /var/www/ from ftp, everything is working except that "administrator" gets access denied at the folder and this is after running 'chown -R administrator /var/www' i realize that ftp is insecure but i need ftp access for dreamweaver
[10:22] <Loix> parabolize, use update ?
[10:23] <sophtpaw> it looks like i'm there! but i have to run freemind from 'run application'
[10:23] <vinboy> raven3x7, yup... when I type realplay   ... it just stop
[10:23] <TheVox> cyphase: if they release IE7 in the next 3 months, I bet firefox will hit 100 mill by the end of the year
[10:23] <Loix> or add and remove packeges ?
[10:23] <parabolize> Loix, and a hate for stability. many packages will conflict with each other. man you don't want to do this.
[10:23] <skyhawker> I'm having trouble getting wine to appear in Synaptic... winetools, and the documentation are there, but no wine
[10:23] <raven3x7> do you use backports or marillat or any unusual repos?
[10:23] <cyphase> TheVox, that's what I thought
[10:23] <cyphase> :)
[10:24] <Huntz> I agree with PAraboilize some packages will confict with other libraries and you end up removing and installing packages and they confict with each others its true evil
[10:24] <THElight> hello there. having trouble accessing the repositores th.archive.ubuntu.com. is it still up?
[10:24] <Loix> parabolize, thanks and now ill be install kubuntu ;p
[10:24] <Loix> by see you after 1 hour ;p
[10:24] <raven3x7> vinboy do you use backports or marillat or any unusual repos?
[10:25] <parabolize> not so smart person. :(
[10:25] <The_Vox> I can never remember my nickserv password
[10:25] <skyhawker> I'm having trouble getting wine to appear in Synaptic... winetools, and the documentation are there, but no wine
[10:26] <mebaran151> what is xprint anyway?
[10:26] <liran> what can i use to convert a mov file to an mpeg/avi?
[10:26] <raven3x7> anyone have a problem with synaptic not verifying multiverse packages?
[10:26] <mebaran151> liran, mencoder
[10:26] <mebaran151> I think it does it
[10:26] <liran> thanks mebaran
[10:26] <DaeDaluz> What is ment with 'rebuild', in the way I have to rebuild my c++ compiler, because gnuworld 'make' gives errors
[10:28] <mambajoe> hi everybody
[10:28] <Huntz> hi Mambajoe
[10:28] <mebaran151> i need a program for rhythmbox to normalize my volumnes
[10:28] <signbarn> what _is_ the clipboard daemon for gnome that i see in the unofficial guide?
[10:28] <mambajoe> can someone help with the openssl
[10:28] <mebaran151> or at least something to add gain
[10:28] <mebaran151> to some really soft oggs
[10:29] <mambajoe> can't compile wpa supplicant
[10:29] <sophtpaw> bob: just wanted to let you know you've helped me succeed in installing freemind - than you!
[10:29] <mambajoe> cause don't know the structure of the file organization
[10:29] <mambajoe> don't know where the openssl files are
[10:30] <robotgeek> alrite ppl, off to sleep! cya tommorow!
[10:30] <ezekiel> night robotgeek
[10:30] <mebaran151> is mono working in Breezy?
[10:30] <robotgeek> night!
[10:30] <Huntz> night
[10:30] <Huntz> dammit to latel ol
[10:31] <sophtpaw> thanks everyone!
[10:31] <mebaran151> why is muine not the default player in Ubuntu, and insted rhythmbox
[10:31] <mambajoe> need to compile wpa supplicant to use wpa with my wireless
[10:31] <liran> with which package is it coming with mebaran151? cant find it on the repositories
[10:31] <mambajoe> somebody knows something about that?
[10:32] <The_Vox> mambajoe: why don't you install the one that comes with ubuntu?
[10:32] <mambajoe> which one?
[10:33] <bob2> v1ru5: if you have a question, ask it in the channel
[10:33] <The_Vox> mambajoe: wpasupplicant
[10:33] <mambajoe> where
[10:33] <bob2> Huntz: there's no "Debian foundation"
[10:33] <The_Vox> mambajoe: you *may* need to add multiverse or universe repos to your sources.list
[10:33] <The_Vox> !info wpasupplicant
[10:33] <ubotu> wpasupplicant: (Client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i)), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 0.3.8-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 135 kB, Installed size: 376 kB
[10:33] <vinboy> how do I remove a software that i installed using .bin?
[10:33] <The_Vox> mambajoe: you need universe
[10:34] <The_Vox> vinboy: you hunt down the files by hand, unless it had the decency to install an uninstaller
[10:34] <bob2> Huntz: enterprise effors to do what?
[10:34] <DaeDaluz> "you need to rebuild every C++ library on your system" < I dont get it, how do I do that :(
[10:34] <mambajoe> ok
[10:34] <bob2> DaeDaluz: you're talking about the g++ 4.0 transition?
[10:34] <mambajoe> thx done
[10:34] <DaeDaluz> eeuhmz
[10:34] <Huntz> just a colberated enterpise effort with severalcompanies Im just wondering of ubuntu has such support being pushed for it.
[10:34] <mambajoe> now I'll go and configure it
[10:35] <mambajoe> thx The_Vox
[10:35] <bob2> DaeDaluz: where did you get that quore from?
[10:36] <DaeDaluz> http://www.mail-archive.com/coder-com@undernet.org/msg00727.html
[10:36] <vinboy> The_Vox, that is bad..... thanks
[10:36] <DaeDaluz> thats the closed thing I can find to my problem on google
[10:37] <DaeDaluz> I get a lot of errors about already defined stuff, when trying to 'make' gnuworld
[10:37] <lsuactiafner> mencoder roccks
[10:37] <bob2> DaeDaluz: that has nothing to do with anything
[10:37] <DaeDaluz> hm :(
[10:38] <bob2> unless you really did randomly recompile some c++ ibraries
[10:38] <bob2> paste your error to #flood
[10:38] <DaeDaluz> eeuh
[10:38] <DaeDaluz> I think I get excess flood then :X
[10:38] <bob2> then use a less bad irc client
[10:38] <Bola> is it possible to change the language back to english after the installation?
[10:40] <bob2> probaablye editing /etc/environment is enough
[10:40] <mambajoe> ok, disconnecting to move to wireless, see you guys in a bit
[10:40] <ezekiel> later mambajoe
[10:40] <mebaran151> do xmms plugins work with beep media player
[10:41] <mebaran151> or is the API too different
[10:41] <bob2> nope
[10:42] <DaeDaluz> bob2 I get 488 lines of errors, atleast the once I can still see in terminal
[10:42] <bob2> DaeDaluz: paste your code then
[10:43] <DaeDaluz> Not my code, I get it with gnuworld
[10:43] <DaeDaluz> when I do 'make'
[10:43] <bob2> and gnuworld is...
[10:43] <DaeDaluz> http://gnuworld.undernet.org/
[10:44] <DaeDaluz> irc server thingy
[10:44] <bob2> ouch
[10:44] <bob2> I wouldn't bother
[10:44] <DaeDaluz> lol
[10:44] <bob2> just use one of the 50 irc servers in ubuntu already
[10:44] <skyhawker> I'm having trouble getting wine to appear in Synaptic... winetools, and the documentation are there, but no wine
[10:44] <prodigy> mi culo es en fuego, eso no se hace
[10:45] <skyhawker> and they wont install without wine anyway..
[10:45] <holycow> i haveto say galeon really is a great browser
[10:45] <Razor-X> skyhawker: have you added universe and multiverse?
[10:46] <holycow> smooth, fast, uses low resources
[10:46] <Razor-X> prodigy: #ubuntu-es
[10:46] <mebaran151> holycow, wahhhhhhh
[10:46] <mebaran151> *ha
[10:46] <holycow> mebaran151, say wha?
[10:46] <holycow> :)
[10:46] <skyhawker> Razor-X, i have installed universe... what is multi
[10:46] <holycow> are you agreeing/disagreeing?
[10:46] <THElight> i think i have done a foolish thing. i deleted the gpg keys that apt-get uses. i used the rm command. where can i get a set of gpg public keys?
[10:46] <holycow> put up your dukes!
[10:47] <holycow> -_-
[10:47] <Razor-X> skyhawker: copy the universe line, but change uni to multi
[10:47] <Razor-X> that way, you have both
[10:47] <bob2> THElight: gpg --import thekeyidaptcomplainsabout ; gpg --export thekeyidaptcomplainsabout | sudo apt-key add -
[10:47] <holycow> the only downside so far is no extensions, i need my flashblock
[10:47] <bob2> THElight: and don't ever delete files from /var or /etc unless  you know exactly what they are
[10:47] <Razor-X> bob2: ;)
[10:48] <THElight> yes, very foolish indeed.
[10:48] <Razor-X> I need a podcast to last me through tomorrow's exercise session
[10:48] <Razor-X> unless I sleep through it like today.... :(
[10:48] <skyhawker> Razor-X, is there a way to copy them via GUI
[10:48] <holycow> yes, listen to bob
[10:48] <holycow> bob knows asll
[10:49] <holycow> bob shall save you lots of agony and heartache
[10:49] <Razor-X> skyhawker: I use bashpodder, but that's not GUI so... *shrugs*
[10:49] <skyhawker> oh ok
[10:49] <Multikill> hey
[10:49] <Razor-X> you can use iPodder
[10:49] <Razor-X> but, then, you have to hunt through the Python libs (or download them all) to get what you need
[10:49] <Multikill> can anyone help me with my laptop, im trying to install kubuntu
[10:50] <Razor-X> Multikill: what's the problem?
[10:50] <Multikill> when i try and log in
[10:50] <Multikill> it freezes up
[10:50] <Multikill> and i have to reboot
[10:50] <Razor-X> what type of laptop?
[10:50] <Multikill> Hp pavilion
[10:50] <Multikill> amd 64 3200+
[10:50] <parabolize> model #?
[10:51] <Multikill> zv6000
[10:51] <Razor-X> you have to stop PCMCIA detection
[10:51] <Multikill> whats that
[10:51] <Multikill> well, i overwrote my windows partition on accident
[10:51] <prodigy> what's the easiest ways to access windows partitioned MP3's on my Ubuntu?
[10:51] <Multikill> so im OS less on it right now and its bugging me lol
[10:52] <Razor-X> I never pawed around with PCMCIA detection, and i'm just _assuming_ it boots up with it
[10:52] <Razor-X> ask around on how to remove that at startup
[10:52] <Multikill> whats pcmcia
[10:52] <Razor-X> it's the interface that allows you to add in PC Cards
[10:52] <Multikill> well
[10:53] <Razor-X> you can detect the devices later on, just kill startup detection
[10:53] <Multikill> i burned a Windows CD disk just for now and so i can attempt to re partition correctly but I can't get that to load
[10:53] <Razor-X> not sure how though, so, heh
[10:53] <Razor-X> prodigy: what is the FS type?
[10:53] <Razor-X> Multikill: how'ld you burn the disk?
[10:53] <Multikill> using nero
[10:53] <prodigy> FS?
[10:53] <Multikill> burnt the image
[10:53] <v1ru5> prodigy: filesystem
[10:54] <Razor-X> Multikill: you shoulda tested it before ;)
[10:54] <daxuza> File System ;-)
[10:54] <prodigy> I think it's NTFS
[10:54] <Razor-X> prodigy: sudo mount /dev/path/to/drive /mnt/existing/mount/point -t ntfs -o umask-0222
[10:54] <Multikill> Well my intial intention was to dual boot.  But seeing as how i messed up my partition...
[10:54] <Razor-X> the paths aren't literal, just to let you know ;)
[10:54] <Razor-X> Multikill: well, what'ld you do?
[10:55] <Razor-X> I'm double-booting here, perfectly
[10:55] <Multikill> overwrote my windows partition
[10:55] <Razor-X> what kind of a partition was it?
[10:55] <prodigy> prodigy@Ubuntu:~/SGE$ sudo mount /dev/path/to/drive /mnt/existing/mount/point -t ntfs -o umask-0222
[10:55] <prodigy> mount: mount point /mnt/existing/mount/point does not exist
[10:55] <prodigy> prodigy@Ubuntu:~/SGE$
[10:55] <Razor-X> what FS?
[10:55] <Razor-X> prodigy: ..............
[10:56] <Razor-X> do you know what ``literal'' means
[10:56] <kronz> lol
 the paths aren't literal, just to let you know ;)
[10:56] <v1ru5> Razor-X: is there a pre-configured GRUB boot disk image available somewhere? Coz it seems my mb is too old to boot grub or lilo from big diskes..
[10:56] <prodigy> oh lol
[10:56] <Multikill> prodigy: fill in the paths to suit your needs
[10:56] <Razor-X> that means tha, you have to know the /dev address to your drive, and make sure /mnt/mount/point exists
[10:57] <Razor-X> (mkdir on the latter, fdisk -l on the former)
[10:57] <prodigy> how do I figure that out?
[10:57] <Razor-X> v1ru5: oh, there's a fix for that
[10:57] <Multikill> hey when i push alt+cntrl+F1 is that the command line (when i push it in log in screen)
[10:58] <r2d4> Hi! Does Ubuntu have a firewall on by default? I wrote some script servers and my clients are getting 'Connection Refused'
[10:58] <Razor-X> Multikill: that's a command-line, yes
[10:58] <Razor-X> but it's better to use an X terminal
[10:58] <DaeDaluz> You have a router r2d4 ?
[10:58] <r2d4> No!
[10:58] <Razor-X> (In Ubuntu, that's a ``Terminal'', in Kubuntu, that's a ``Konsole'')
[10:58] <thekeitnix> guys, ubuntu is being a bastard and not believing me when I tell it my monitor's sync range. - i want 1280x960x85Hz on the screen prefs panel, but there's nothing i can seemingly do to make it believe my monitor can do that :( - any help>?
[10:58] <v1ru5> Razor-X: WOW. There is? Nobody has bothered to tell me this before .. o_O
[10:59] <Razor-X> v1ru5: haha, hold on while I peruse the GRUB docs for ya
[10:59] <v1ru5> ok :)
[10:59] <Bola> where can I read about /etc/environment?
[11:00] <Multikill> ok is their a way to open the setup.exe from the command line (the one located on a CD)
[11:00] <Multikill> i don't know the commands
[11:00] <Razor-X> Multikill: Linux doesen't use ``.exe'' files
[11:00] <prodigy> download Wine
[11:01] <thekeitnix> anyone? :(
[11:01] <pawitp> prodigy: I don't think he'll get through all the hassle to get wine working
[11:01] <AlexBO> thekeitnix: what about?
[11:01] <wdh> pawitp, for some purposes it just works out of the box ;)
[11:01] <wdh> so he can always try
[11:02] <thekeitnix> i need to get 1280x960x85hz in the gnome screen prefs panel
[11:02] <AlexBO> thekeitnix: i can help you
[11:02] <wdh> thekeitnix, 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[11:02] <thekeitnix> i changed xorg.conf to give my monitor the right refresh rate ranges
[11:02] <thekeitnix> k
[11:02] <pawitp> thekeitnix: xorgcfg
[11:02] <Razor-X> v1ru5: done perusing
[11:02] <AlexBO> thekeitnix: what driver do you use?
[11:02] <thekeitnix> i810
[11:02] <pawitp> thekeitnix: as root
[11:03] <AlexBO> thekeitnix: can you send me your xorg.conf in pv?
[11:03] <r2d4> DaeDaluz: Is there some method I can use to check if the firewall is on? I did not want to use the GUIs (firestarter, guarddog) since they seem to want to start the firewall if it is not already on. I don't want a firewall, atleast till I get things working.
[11:03] <Razor-X> grub-install --force-lba /dev/drive
[11:03] <Razor-X> r2d4: Ubuntu doesen't come with a default firewall
[11:04] <wdh> r2d4, firestarter uses a /etc/init.d/firestarter init file.. you can always stop that: 'sudo /etc/init.d/firestarter stop'
[11:04] <wdh> r2d4, not sure about guarddog though
[11:04] <thekeitnix> sec alex - im going through the reconfigure you sent me ^
[11:05] <holycow> hey guys ... when you click on the update icon in the tool bar and the 'switching users' window pops up asking you for your password ...
[11:05] <v1ru5> Razor-X: thanks, i will try that :) Greatly appreciate this tip, good karma to you *hands out a lil piece*
[11:05] <r2d4> wdh: in a related question, how come some of the init.d scripts do not respond to the status argument.
[11:05] <holycow> are you guys able to drag that dialog / window around?
[11:05] <holycow> i can't mind, its weird, i should be able to i think right?
[11:05] <AlexBO> thekeitnix:what?
[11:05] <Razor-X> v1ru5: note, this isn't end-all
[11:05] <thekeitnix> xserver-xorg reconfiguration
[11:06] <Razor-X> if it doesen't work... PM me, i'll try and look up something else
[11:06] <wdh> r2d4, well.. probably because the developers of the script did not feel a need for such an argument :)
[11:06] <l4k3n70> YAY MY VIDEO WORKS NOW!
[11:06] <cloud> hi none can help me with samba?
[11:06] <cloud> i have a problem
[11:06] <cloud> with sharing permissions
[11:06] <cloud> my win xp client can't access to the the samba shared files
[11:06] <AlexBO> thekeitnix: if you send me in pv your xorg.conf, i'll be able to help you
[11:06] <holycow> infact, while that login window is on, i cannot click on any other part of the desktop ... anyone else have this?
[11:06] <cloud> it says "access denied"
[11:07] <holycow> can anyone else chekc if the their window behaviour is the same?
[11:07] <wdh> cloud, use 'smbpasswd'
[11:07] <pawitp> Did anyone here managed Canon i255, I saw the thread about i250, but the test page won't print
[11:07] <r2d4> wdh: yes! but many of these scripts do have a code block to handle status. funny.
[11:07] <Razor-X> hmmmm, it's time for me to retire I believe
[11:07] <cloud> wdh: already done...but after? i set a password for my account and then? things remain the same..
[11:07] <Razor-X> I'm gonna pick a podcast, and retire for the night
[11:08] <rommer> is there a way to view the cpu/ram stats from the command line?
[11:08] <pawitp> Did anyone here managed Canon i255, I saw the thread about i250, but the test page won't print
[11:08] <Razor-X> rommer: ps aux
[11:08] <prodigy> I really need to quit smoking by like a doctor sedation method under the table
[11:08] <Razor-X> (however much I hate ``aux'')
[11:08] <AlexBO> i've just download xine.I think it's very good, but when i try to connect to a radio (for example BBC) it last for 10 minutes and it says that it cannot found the plugin.how can i do?
[11:08] <rommer> Razor-X: ok thakns
[11:08] <v1ru5> Razor-X: so what partition should i install the GRUB to? the main linux partition ( / ) _
[11:08] <Razor-X> since ``aux'' is BSD notation, I try and stay as Linux as possible ;)
[11:08] <mebaran151> vorbisgain is neato
[11:08] <enaut1> How can I export installed softwarepackages installed with synaptic?
[11:08] <Razor-X> v1ru5: no partition
[11:08] <wdh> cloud, well.. i think you should make an account for the same user WinXP is using
[11:08] <Razor-X> to the main drive
[11:08] <v1ru5> ah
[11:09] <v1ru5> gotcha
[11:09] <mebaran151> v1ru5, not a partition
[11:09] <Razor-X> I have only one drive, with multiple partitions, I install to /dev/hda
[11:09] <mebaran151> you put it on the MBR
[11:09] <Razor-X> Windows is /dev/hda1
[11:09] <mebaran151> so just omit the number
[11:09] <Razor-X> Ubuntu is /dev/hda3 (Ubuntu /, that is)
[11:09] <Razor-X> yeah, exactly, what mebaran151 said
[11:09] <v1ru5> grub-installer says that "permission denied" when i try to run it from this Ubuntu INSTALL SHELL.. how to counter it?
[11:09] <liraz> when trying to boot windows I get the error: partition type 0x7 unkown and NTLDR missing at the bottom. I've ensured this is the right partition(hd1,0). My windows is on first partition second harddrive. Has grub erased somthing which loads windows?
[11:09] <Razor-X> v1ru5: prepend a ``sudo''
[11:10] <liraz> sorry I think I said that before, but I had to leave
[11:10] <v1ru5> ok
[11:10] <cloud> wdh: how can i tell to samba which windows user must have access rights?
[11:10] <mebaran151> heheh vorbisgain takes three times as long with claissical as it does with my Japanese Rock
[11:10] <mebaran151> interesting
[11:10] <Razor-X> liraz: copy your menu.lst somewhere safe
[11:10] <mebaran151> and it has to cut off 10db off each of my japanese rock charts
[11:10] <mebaran151> interesting
[11:10] <Razor-X> and then....
[11:10] <Razor-X> open a DOS Boot Disk
[11:10] <bartekp> hi
[11:10] <Razor-X> mebaran151: haha, JRock all the way ;)
[11:11] <Razor-X> and then fdisk /mbr
[11:11] <Razor-X> i'm thinking of getting an anime podcast, for lack of better things to do
[11:11] <Razor-X> but, I need something entertaining for an hour :(
[11:11] <enaut1> How can I export installed softwarepackages installed with synaptic and bur them on CD to reinstall them at another pc?
[11:12] <Razor-X> both TWiT and Diggnation kick ass ;)
[11:12] <v1ru5> Razor-X: "sudo" -command not found :((
[11:12] <mebaran151> Razor-X, yeah the Pillows are awesome
[11:12] <rommer> Razor-X: is there a way to view the total % of cpu and mem usage except for each process?
[11:12] <wdh> cloud, i think you just have to make an smbpasswd for that user
[11:12] <Razor-X> v1ru5: .... you're in Ubuntu, correct?
[11:12] <bartekp> enaut1: copy /var/cache/apt/archives/*
[11:12] <mebaran151> but you cant beat Tchaivosky
[11:12] <mebaran151> rommer, top
[11:12] <Razor-X> mebaran151: haha, true that
[11:12] <v1ru5> Razor-X: i'm on the installer, because i cannot boot up Ubuntu
[11:13] <v1ru5> that's why i am asking the grub questions
[11:13] <v1ru5> to get it boot
[11:13] <mebaran151> heheh
[11:13] <v1ru5> i've fighted with it for a week now
[11:13] <Razor-X> rommer: cat /proc/meminfo
[11:13] <v1ru5> kinda pissed here
[11:13] <liraz> Razor-X, wont that just destroy my grub?
[11:13] <rommer> ok thanks
[11:13] <mebaran151> Razor-X, top is a little easier
[11:13] <Razor-X> liraz: yeah
[11:13] <Razor-X> errr, not make a copy of menu.lst
[11:13] <Razor-X> make a GRUB boot floppy
[11:13] <HappyFool> ello
[11:13] <Razor-X> (intsructions are on the site)
[11:13] <mebaran151> to make a grub floppy
[11:14] <mebaran151> you can run grub-install /dev/fd0 I believe
[11:14] <v1ru5> 'are on the site'
[11:14] <v1ru5> whereabouts?
[11:14] <Razor-X> v1ru5: try installing GAG
[11:14] <liraz> Razor-X, grub worked fine for dual boot in fedora. Is there no way I can configure grub to boot both windows and linux?
[11:14] <mebaran151> as root
[11:14] <v1ru5> mebaran151: yup but it says permission denied
[11:14] <Razor-X> (it's a bootmanager)
[11:14] <mebaran151> vlru5 ah
[11:14] <mebaran151> sudo it
[11:14] <Razor-X> liraz: you can
[11:14] <Razor-X> but, the NTLDR is gone
[11:14] <Razor-X> you need it back
[11:14] <mebaran151> you may have to mount it but I dont think so
[11:14] <v1ru5> mebaran151: sudo command not found
[11:14] <mebaran151> su
[11:14] <Razor-X> after that, you can reinstall GRUB easy
[11:14] <Razor-X> v1ru5: su
[11:14] <mebaran151> are you root
[11:15] <mebaran151> can you become root
[11:15] <mebaran151> make yourself root grasshopper!
[11:15] <v1ru5> installer shell
[11:15] <mebaran151> ah you are root
[11:15] <Razor-X> v1ru5: try GAG ;)
[11:15] <v1ru5> "su, not found"
[11:15] <Razor-X> I don't think the installer shell does much
[11:15] <mebaran151> eh, why are you in the installer shell
[11:15] <v1ru5> :S
[11:15] <liraz> Raskall, NTLDR - i'm guessing this loads windows.Why did it get erased in the first place? is this somthing ubuntu grub specific?
[11:15] <mebaran151> vlru5 the installer shell is Busybox
[11:15] <mebaran151> they compile in like 5 BASIC utilities
[11:15] <v1ru5> mebaran151: cause i can't get the system to boot.
[11:15] <mebaran151> heheh
[11:15] <jubei> How come my monitor turns off even though "Enable display power management" is disabled?
[11:15] <Razor-X> liraz: GRUB and Ubuntu are seperate but, no, it happens, not sure why, it didn't happen on my end, but I was prepared just in case
[11:15] <r2d4> An FTP question. I used to use Pure-FTP on Suse. There I used to run it as a simple process. On ubuntu, it is running as a super server and has all this virtual user stuff that I have not gotten my hands around yet. Is there a way, I can disengage a daemon?
[11:15] <mebaran151> dont use the install disker
[11:16] <mebaran151> get system rescue cd
[11:16] <mebaran151> a real set of tools for a real man
[11:16] <Razor-X> v1ru5: install GAG XD
[11:16] <r2d4> I am not really in this daemon stuff.  So please excuse my wrong terminology if any.
[11:16] <Razor-X> r2d4: pureftp stop
[11:16] <v1ru5> i am really starting to think that windows is just the way to go
[11:16] <Razor-X> or, ``executabledaemonname stop'' basically
[11:16] <v1ru5> is that what you guys want me to think?
[11:16] <Razor-X> v1ru5: install GAG
[11:17] <Razor-X> I spent 2 weeks getting my NTFS to partition right
[11:17] <mebaran151> vlru5, what happened in the first place
[11:17] <v1ru5> Razor-X: that's probably easier said than don
[11:17] <v1ru5> e
[11:17] <mebaran151> to make it unbootable
[11:17] <Razor-X> v1ru5: not really
[11:17] <Razor-X> go into Windows, and install
[11:17] <v1ru5> i don't fucking know
[11:17] <v1ru5> o_O
[11:17] <Razor-X> ;)
[11:17] <v1ru5> you can install it from windows?
[11:17] <Razor-X> GAG can be installed OS independant
[11:17] <r2d4> Razor-X: did /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd stop. But FTP is still running
[11:17] <Razor-X> of course ya can!
[11:17] <liraz> Razor-X, ok. It could be somthing with my hdd setup... one more thing, since I dont have a floppy can I just put grub on a flash disk?
[11:17] <v1ru5> Razor-X: so umm.
[11:17] <v1ru5> making this clear..
[11:18] <v1ru5> Razor-X: i'll install ubuntu. after the setup, boot to windows. install the GAG. boot, and boot up ubuntu?
[11:18] <Razor-X> v1ru5: no
[11:19] <Razor-X> go to Windows now, install GAG
[11:19] <v1ru5> besides i have to use a CD to boot to windows cause for some reason my MBR seems to be busted
[11:19] <Razor-X> install Ubuntu, don't install GRUB
[11:19] <Razor-X> and then setup GAG to boot Ubuntu
[11:19] <v1ru5> ok
[11:19] <v1ru5> well, going to try it ->
[11:19] <Razor-X> or, install GRUB
[11:19] <mebaran151> vlru5, yeah installing grub straight off the bat is hard
[11:19] <Razor-X> but don't install to MBR
[11:19] <mebaran151> if you run the installer
[11:19] <mebaran151> it picks up all the messes details
[11:20] <mebaran151> you might be able to do an MBR install
[11:20] <mebaran151> *meesy
[11:20] <mebaran151> sorry long night
[11:21] <scanwinder> what would a palm zire 21 be in /dev/  ?
[11:21] <fabien> salut
[11:22] <Razor-X> v1ru5: have you tried GRUB before?
[11:22] <fabien>  tous
[11:22] <mebaran151> it is amazing the random order that reiserfs puts files in
[11:22] <fabien> j'aurai besoind'aide
[11:22] <mebaran151> really rather astounding, and it makes me appreciate the work ls
[11:22] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I may make a Reiser4 partition ;)
[11:22] <DaeDaluz> fabien, parle anglais? :+
[11:22] <fabien> non dae
[11:22] <mebaran151> fabien, je pourrais vous aider
[11:23] <Razor-X> fabien: #ubuntu-fr
[11:23] <fabien> merci evaram
[11:23] <Razor-X> je parle un peu francais, un peu
[11:23] <mebaran151> mon francais n'est pas courrant, alors
[11:23] <Razor-X> hahaha, everyone knows French
[11:23] <Razor-X> but no-one knows Spanish ;)
[11:23] <DaeDaluz> My french sucks
[11:23] <fabien> voila je demarre avec ubuntu j'ai t ds synaptie pour comprendre un peu linux
[11:24] <DaeDaluz> Had some french classes at school, didnt pay much attention tho :X
[11:24] <fabien> mais qd je recupere des telecharchement du genre rpm ou autre
[11:24] <fabien> j'arrive pas  les installer
[11:24] <Razor-X> i'm 15, I have only 1 year of French insofar
[11:24] <DaeDaluz> I had 3 I think :(
[11:24] <mebaran151> I've had liek 7
[11:25] <fabien> y'a til une ligne de commande rapide  faire ds le termenale pour facillit les installation de paquet
[11:25] <mebaran151> too bad I didnt get any tech vocab
[11:25] <DaeDaluz> but had lots of grammer, and now I have no talking skills :p
[11:25] <mebaran151> fabien, je pense que c'est .deb dans Ubuntu
[11:25] <fabien> donc je peu installer que des paquets .deb
[11:26] <mebaran151> fabien, oui
[11:26] <fabien> ok
[11:26] <mebaran151> les debs sont ce dont vous avez besoin
[11:26] <mebaran151> *dont
[11:27] <mebaran151> mais utilisez Synaptic, la programme pour faire les installer des mirrors globales
[11:27] <mebaran151> (I hope some of that makes sense)
[11:27] <fabien> ce qui veut dire que les autres paquets je ne pourrai que les decompresse mais pas les insatller c'est sa mebaram
[11:27] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I can understand it, with my one year of infantile grammar ;)
[11:28] <Razor-X> that, and i'm the best French student in the class -- even though I was forced to take it ;)
[11:28] <DaeDaluz> I was the worst in my class xD
[11:28] <Razor-X> with that, i'll take my leave to shower and bed at 2:30 AM, because someone I was looking for didn't show up >_<
[11:28] <Razor-X> and my podcast's downloading nicely
[11:29] <mebaran151> hehe
[11:29] <mebaran151> you searching for persons that never show up
[11:29] <mebaran151> tsk tsk
[11:30] <mebaran151> well good for you, it is a useful language, and if you get the use of 'dont' you know more than msot
[11:30] <fabien> j'ai aussi un pb qd je lance ut 2004
[11:30] <tomiki> hola a todos , buenos dias
[11:30] <mebaran151> ah, vous voudriez l'installer ut 2004
[11:30] <vince_> i need some help with totem. it wont play any videos
[11:30] <fabien> je l'ai installer mebaram
[11:31] <mebaran151> vince_, dll the pkg gstreamer-plugins
[11:31] <mebaran151> or at least ffmpeg
[11:31] <tomiki> tengo un portatil , un p2 366 sin cdrom
[11:31] <fabien> le sousci c'est qd je lance le jeu
[11:31] <tomiki> y me gustaria instalarle ubuntu
[11:31] <fabien> j'ai un ecran qui selance et puis plus rien
[11:31] <mebaran151> hmm, je ne sais pas
[11:31] <HappyFool> hmm, usually i can understand this channel ;)
[11:31] <daxuza> fabian : t'as lanc avec la console ?
[11:31] <fabien> y at'il un reglage graphique  faire
[11:31] <HappyFool> vince_: have you read the 'restrictedformats' page on the wiki?
[11:31] <mebaran151> excusez ma grammaire; je suis fatigue
[11:31] <HappyFool> !restricted
[11:31] <ubotu> restricted is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:32] <Razor-X> ahhhh!
[11:32] <HappyFool> hmm
[11:32] <mebaran151> je ne sais pas le mot "lancer"
[11:32] <Razor-X> #ubuntu-fr people!
[11:32] <fabien> kel console qaxuza
[11:32] <Razor-X> this is a little too.... French-ie hahaha
[11:32] <mebaran151> Razor-X, I never get to use my French ... :p
[11:32] <Razor-X> and yes, I was looking for female persons that didn't show up, mebaran151 XD
[11:32] <skyhawker> I'm back... I now have the multiverse installed, as well the universe...however 'wine' is not available in the list, only winetools...(in synaptic)
[11:32] <mebaran151> Razor-X, bad things happen to those who wait
[11:32] <mebaran151> good luck kid
[11:32] <Razor-X> mebaran151: hah
[11:32] <daxuza> fabian : tu dmarre le prog avec la console de linux ?
[11:33] <anne> i am an ex windows user, running a web site in a server using frontpage, what must i do to continue using that server whith ubuntu? i suppose i need a program that can read frontpage and that can be used in ubuntu, any suggestions anyone?
[11:33] <Razor-X> there's an odd thing between us, that i'm not about to explain here
[11:33] <DaeDaluz> frontpage? :(
[11:33] <mebaran151>  ... and I wasnt even asking, Razor-X
[11:33] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I know
[11:33] <HappyFool> skyhawker: wine is in universe; you must have an error of some sort
[11:33] <Razor-X> I just said a little too much...
[11:33] <Razor-X> HappyFool: did you do apt-get update?
[11:33] <mebaran151> eh, good luck anyway
[11:33] <fabien> alors j'ao cette erreur la avec ur ds un terminale
[11:33] <concept10> anne, try Nvu and get a FTP program
[11:33] <mebaran151> you can figure it out in Ruby
[11:34] <skyhawker> HappyFool, yeah I'm not sure what to do now...
[11:34] <Razor-X> mebaran151: yeah, i'm progressing in the book
[11:34] <daxuza> annee : use bluefish
[11:34] <Razor-X> still, code blocks are a bit weird, IMO
[11:34] <HappyFool> Razor-X: not in the last 30 minutes ;)
[11:34] <HappyFool> skyhawker: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to the paste-bin; maybe we can spot an error
[11:34] <HappyFool> !pastebin
[11:34] <ubotu> somebody said pastebin was at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[11:35] <fabien> alors l'eeur c'est missing in dismplay 0.0
[11:35] <fabien> extensio, xig sundry monst antard
[11:35] <darkmatter> or http://pastebin.ca
[11:35] <HappyFool> i'm sure there are tens or hundreds of alternatives ;)
[11:36] <skyhawker> ok pasted
[11:36] <darkmatter> that there are
[11:36] <fabien> qui pourrai m'aider
[11:36] <HappyFool> skyhawker: it's traditional to post an url of the paste ;)
[11:36] <skyhawker> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/319535 my bad
[11:37] <mambajoe> hi can somebody give me a hand with the configuration of my wireless with wpa supplicant
[11:37] <mambajoe> ?
[11:37] <HappyFool> skyhawker: ok, for starters you've mentioned hoary main and restricted twice, which is unnecessary
[11:38] <mambajoe> I think I have something wrong in my config
[11:38] <HappyFool> skyhawker: secondly, you have non-ubuntu repositories (wine.sourceforge.net), which may or may not be a problem
[11:38] <fabien> qui peut m'indiquer une lmigne d'installation rapide de paquet en root
[11:38] <skyhawker> HappyFool, do I need to always edit it via root terminal - nano, if I open it in the text editor in the menu, it's read-only
[11:38] <HappyFool> skyhawker: yeah, either via root terminal, or do 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list' or 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list' in a normal terminal
[11:39] <HappyFool> gedit may be easier
[11:39] <anne> concept10, i have tried that and it doesnt work, it reads my pages but when i add changes to my web site, its getting the wrong layout on the web, and i gett error messages  , i am using b-one.net and it cant read linux,its a front page server
[11:39] <Chalma|ZzZ> I don't want to be flamed but I am incredibly new to linux and I just installed ubuntu but I can't get a graphic screen.  I tried xf86free and start x but none of those commands work
[11:40] <darkmatter> #Ubuntu looks weird in Comic Sans MS.
[11:40] <Chalma|ZzZ> I just need to edit the file I'm sure my comp can handle graphics mode
[11:40] <bob2> Chalma|ZzZ: why would you be flamed?
[11:40] <bob2> Chalma|ZzZ: you did a default install and X didn't start at all?
[11:40] <Chalma|ZzZ> I dunno
[11:40] <Chalma|ZzZ> just thought ahead of time
[11:40] <Chalma|ZzZ> nope
[11:40] <skyhawker> HappyFool, how bout this > http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/319536
[11:40] <HappyFool> skyhawker: take a look here: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/319537
[11:40] <HappyFool> skyhawker: heh. ok, stand by
[11:41] <Chalma|ZzZ> its running on another comp now lemme take a look at the message
[11:41] <HappyFool> skyhawker: you still have two hoary 'main' entries
[11:41] <Chalma|ZzZ> nope says its unable to start X server, and asks if I want to view the output
[11:41] <skyhawker> HappyFool, damn which one did I delete then..
[11:41] <HappyFool> skyhawker: the syntax is roughly <location> <distribution> <section> <section> <section>
[11:42] <HappyFool> skyhawker: where <location> is an url, <distribution> is hoary, and <section> is one of main, etc
[11:42] <HappyFool> skyhawker: take a look at the url i posted; probably easiest if you just copy that
[11:43] <darkmatter> Chalma|ZzZ: sounds like xorg.conf is messed up. have you tried running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[11:43] <HappyFool> Chalma|ZzZ: do you know what graphics card you have?
[11:43] <Chalma|ZzZ> i have no idea how to run or reconfigure
[11:44] <Chalma|ZzZ> the graphics card is a radeon 7500
[11:44] <HappyFool> Chalma|ZzZ: it's not too hard; you should see a text screen saying 'login: ' (among other things)
[11:44] <skyhawker> HappyFool, ok I copied it and am running apt-get update now
[11:44] <HappyFool> Chalma|ZzZ: enter your user name (the one you selected during install), then press enter, then your password (and enter)
[11:44] <Chalma|ZzZ> ok there
[11:45] <poningru> was xine removed as a package?
[11:45] <skyhawker> HappyFool, I'm now not seeing any sign on wine
[11:45] <HappyFool> Chalma|ZzZ: now type 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[11:45] <poningru> from the repositories?
[11:45] <skyhawker> sign of..
[11:45] <HappyFool> Chalma|ZzZ: enter your password again when prompted
[11:45] <HappyFool> Chalma|ZzZ: and then answer the questions as best you can
[11:45] <HappyFool> skyhawker: hmm
[11:46] <Raptoid> selamlar.
[11:46] <Chalma|ZzZ> alright I'll try that now
[11:46] <anne> can anybody help me to figure out how to use a front page editor in ubuntu
[11:47] <skyhawker> HappyFool, there is a wine-doc on the list, but thats it..
[11:47] <poningru> anne: dont use front page because none exists for ubuntu or linux
[11:47] <bob2> "front page" is a particular editor
[11:47] <poningru> there are better wysiwyg web page editor
[11:47] <poningru> oh didnt know that
[11:47] <poningru> sorry
[11:47] <bob2> people tend to think in terms of brand names for some reason, which is weird
[11:47] <incubii> nVu is a nice editor
[11:47] <skyhawker> HappyFool, the wine-doc is from universe
[11:47] <poningru> wait bob2 was toward me or anne ?
[11:48] <fabien> qui aurait amule ou un truc de ce gebre
[11:48] <HappyFool> skyhawker: something is still wrong
[11:48] <bob2> anne
[11:48] <skyhawker> HappyFool, dangit. I need wine
[11:48] <Chalma|ZzZ> says xserver is not installed and there is no info on it
[11:48] <bob2> fabien: this is pretty clearly an english-speaking channel
[11:48] <fabien> ok who have emule for ubuntu
[11:48] <pawitp> Does the ubuntu installation cd support reiserfs4?
[11:48] <HappyFool> skyhawker: ok, my system is correct; wine is definitely in hoary universe:  http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/otherosfs/wine
[11:48] <bob2> nope
[11:48] <bob2> reiser4 isn't in the linux kernel
[11:49] <anne> what do i do then, i have been using frontpage in windows, and paid my domene for a year to b-one.net
[11:49] <HappyFool> skyhawker: apt-get update didn't report any errors ?
[11:49] <coobra> anne:  nano pico :P
[11:49] <coobra> anne:  emacs
[11:49] <HappyFool> anne: is the problem uploading your web files, or something else?
[11:49] <LasseL> fabien: check ubuntuguide.org
[11:49] <Seveas> teferi, around..?
[11:49] <darkmatter> Chalma|ZzZ: no xserver? sudo apt-get x-window-system
[11:49] <incubii> anne: http://www.nvu.com/
[11:49] <Seveas> LasseL, ubuntuguide is not the best source of information...
[11:50] <anne> its both ways happyfool
[11:50] <LasseL> Seveas, it will answer fabiens question just fine
[11:50] <pawitp> how to I install ubuntu on reiserfs4?
[11:50] <skyhawker> HappyFool, nope, I just did it again, and still no wine
[11:50] <bob2> pawitp: please don't /msg people
[11:50] <HappyFool> skyhawker: oh, hmm
[11:50] <bob2> pawitp: if you want to install onto reiser4, I'd recommend using another distribution
[11:51] <anne> coobra: you have to explaine emacs to me and where to find it
[11:51] <poningru> bob2: why?
[11:51] <HappyFool> skyhawker: that trailing / on ubuntu may be wrong
[11:51] <bob2> because it's not supported and not stable
[11:51] <deFrysk> when using reiser4 in /boot use lilo
[11:51] <poningru> bob2: wow been using reiser for the last year
[11:51] <Razor-X> anne: sudo aptitude install emacs
[11:51] <poningru> no problems yet
[11:51] <HappyFool> skyhawker: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/319542
[11:51] <poningru> anne: what do you plan on using emacs for?
[11:52] <HappyFool> i don' think emacs is a great first editor ;)
[11:52] <HappyFool> don't, even
[11:52] <poningru> yeah
[11:52] <Razor-X> well, I do ;)
[11:52] <HappyFool> speaking as someone who uses it everyday
[11:52] <blkdomini> hi all
[11:52] <nikkia> HappyFool: i'd also add that its not an editor for casual editing
[11:52] <HappyFool> anne: you should be able to upload files using FTP or some other mechanism
[11:52] <skyhawker> HappyFool,  was that just the top line, had the extra /
[11:52] <nikkia> emacs shines when you open an editor and leave it open for 2-3 months at a time :)
[11:52] <HappyFool> nikkia: i use it for casual editing ;)
[11:52] <Seveas> Razor-X, you sadist :)
[11:53] <HappyFool> skyhawker: yip
[11:53] <darkmatter> emacs isn't an editor, it's an OS;)
[11:53] <poningru> darkmatter: hahahaha
[11:53] <incubii> i cant for th elife of me think why you would do that nikkia
[11:53] <skyhawker> HappyFool, ok I changed it, updated, and still only wine-doc
[11:53] <anne>  ponningru: i need to continue running my web site even thoug i have started using ubuntu
[11:53] <poningru> anne: I would reccomend something like NVU
[11:53] <nikkia> HappyFool: using emacsclient i hope, the startup time is too high IMO for starting all of emacs to add 1 or 2 lines then quit
[11:53] <poningru> but thats not in the repositories
[11:53] <poningru> hold on
[11:53] <Seveas> apart from holy vim vs emacs vs teco vs ed wars: recommending one of them to a newbie is sadistic :)
[11:53] <thoreauputic> anne: the nvu editor has built-in uploading and is wysiwyg
[11:53] <HappyFool> skyhawker: nyaargh
[11:53] <Razor-X> Seveas: sadist, hehe
[11:54] <Razor-X> well, I learned vi as my first editor
[11:54] <HappyFool> nikkia: yeah, at work i run only 1 emacs, started first thing in the morning ;)
[11:54] <Razor-X> *shrugs*
[11:54] <skyhawker> HappyFool, i seem to do this to computers.. :(
[11:54] <Razor-X> but, I was unenlightened then
[11:54] <nikkia> HappyFool: heh, my emacs at work was started in, umm, december, i think
[11:54] <incubii> i use vi, because thats all ive ever used
[11:54] <anne> is there any possibility to talk in a privat area, its getting to much to fast for me
[11:54] <v1ru5> Razor-X: ok.. got it working, but not the normal way. i have to have XP cd inside so it won't display the "disk boot error" stuff, instead, with it it goes straight to the GRUB.
[11:54] <v1ru5> ANYHOW, i'm not satisfied
[11:55] <HappyFool> skyhawker: can you paste the output of 'sudo apt-get update' to the pastebin too?
[11:55] <HappyFool> skyhawker: maybe i can see what it's doing
[11:55] <v1ru5> ubuntu doesn't load up X or any WM
[11:55] <v1ru5> i mean
[11:55] <nikkia> Seveas: i'm not sure forcing users to use nano is much less sadistic, btw :P
[11:55] <HappyFool> skyhawker: or rather, what it isn't doing
[11:55] <Razor-X> v1ru5: it's supposed to
[11:55] <v1ru5> Well, it sure doesn't
[11:55] <Razor-X> v1ru5: what are the specs on that machine?
[11:55] <poningru> hmm
[11:55] <Seveas> nikkia, hehe :)
[11:55] <Seveas> gedit/kate :)
[11:55] <poningru> anne I would try the kde web editing package
[11:55] <Razor-X> Seveas: no notepad?
[11:55] <skyhawker> HappyFool, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/319543
[11:56] <v1ru5> Razor-X: 900mhz p3 i think, 256mb ram, matrox g300 or 400 what was it can't remember now
[11:56] <Seveas> Razor-X, you would need to have a running wine for that...
[11:56] <Razor-X> v1ru5: what is the error?
[11:56] <poningru> on your synaptic
[11:56] <Razor-X> Seveas: there's a port, IIRC
[11:56] <poningru> gotta go
[11:56] <poningru> night
[11:56] <anne> ok i will try kde,
[11:56] <Razor-X> anne: congrats!
[11:56] <v1ru5> Razor-X: the error? well, at this first time i fired it up, it displayed about 15-25 pages of errors
[11:57] <deFrysk> kde ? omg
[11:57] <anne> what do you mean about congrats
[11:57] <v1ru5> Razor-X: mainly because of files not being found
[11:57] <Razor-X> v1ru5: did you install the whole system?
[11:57] <v1ru5> yes i did
[11:57] <Razor-X> I have a feeling your CD is corrupt
[11:57] <Razor-X> did you check it with an MD5?
[11:58] <v1ru5> yes and it is fine
[11:58] <Razor-X> anne: good that you're using KDE
[11:58] <v1ru5> this is weird shit
[11:58] <Razor-X> v1ru5: then why is it erroring?
[11:58] <v1ru5> no fucking idea.
[11:58] <Razor-X> on first bootup, it's supposed to install a lot of stuff
[11:58] <v1ru5> umm
[11:58] <HappyFool> skyhawker: hmm. line 13 seems to imply it's doing the right thing
[11:58] <Razor-X> and that's not error
[11:58] <Razor-X> try another bootup, and see what happens
[11:58] <HappyFool> skyhawker: maybe there's a way to make apt forget everything and reload
[11:58] <anne> i will download that now, throug synaptic yes???
[11:58] <v1ru5> actually i haven't ecked it with md5 :P
[11:59] <Razor-X> well, i'm off to bed now
[11:59] <Razor-X> night
[11:59] <v1ru5> Razor-X: damn
[11:59] <skyhawker> HappyFool,  that'd be good
[11:59] <deFrysk> happy kde dreams ;p
[11:59] <srivest> anyone has skype installed on unbuntu ?
[11:59] <v1ru5> Razor-X: how do i check md5?
[11:59] <HappyFool> skyhawker: hrm, no, i can't an option for that
[12:00] <srivest> md5sum <filename>
[12:00] <deFrysk> v1ru5, md5sum blah
[12:00] <v1ru5>  hm
[12:00] <HappyFool> skyhawker: try this 'sudo apt-get check' ?
[12:00] <v1ru5> how do i check cd's md5?
[12:00] <HappyFool> skyhawker: and then do the 'apt-cache search wine' again
[12:00] <v1ru5> when its already burned
[12:00] <HappyFool> v1ru5: what OS are you on?
[12:00] <v1ru5> or can i?
[12:00] <v1ru5> linux
[12:00] <deFrysk> v1ru5, md5sum the iso
[12:00] <HappyFool> v1ru5: ok, is the CD mounted?
[12:00] <v1ru5> don't have the iso
[12:00] <v1ru5> the cd is on the drive
[12:00] <HappyFool> v1ru5: there's a file md5sum.txt in the CD's root
[12:01] <v1ru5> ok
[12:01] <skyhawker> HappyFool, still only finds wine-doc :(
[12:01] <HappyFool> v1ru5: go to that directory, and type 'md5sum -v -c md5sum.txt'
[12:01] <deFrysk> ubuntu cd's should have a media-check like fedora-redhat
[12:01] <HappyFool> skyhawker: hmm
[12:01] <v1ru5> umm
[12:01] <v1ru5> wtf
[12:02] <HappyFool> skyhawker: it's probably a simple thing
[12:02] <HappyFool> skyhawker: there must be a way to make apt forget. stand by
[12:03] <srivest> anyone using skype here ?
[12:03] <xophEr> how can I enable DMA for my hdds?
[12:03] <srivest> hdparm
[12:04] <sorush20> anyone here using ndiswrapper
[12:04] <HappyFool> skyhawker: cd to /var/lib/apt/lists
[12:04] <skyhawker> HappyFool, I found apt-get clean an.....ok
[12:04] <HappyFool> skyhawker: ok, you can try that first; might work
[12:04] <HappyFool> skyhawker: do the clean, then update, and try
[12:04] <skyhawker> HappyFool, no I tried it, it didn't
[12:04] <thoreauputic> xophEr: the hdparm answer above was for you
[12:05] <HappyFool> skyhawker: ok, cd to /varlib/apt/lists
[12:05] <skyhawker> HappyFool, yup
[12:05] <HappyFool> skyhawker: there's files in there for each of the repository sections
[12:05] <HappyFool> skyhawker: what does 'grep "Package: wine" *' say ?
[12:05] <srivest> thorea: sorry, I'm not really helpfull.. I'm looking for help myself
[12:06] <xophEr> ok, thanks
[12:06] <HappyFool> skyhawker: i see 4 hits, wine, wine-doc, wine-utils and winesetuptk
[12:06] <srivest> xophEr: hdparm -d I think
[12:06] <xophEr> /dev/hda1:
[12:06] <xophEr>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[12:06] <HappyFool> skyhawker: my idea is to move all of a i386_Packages files elsewhere, and run 'apt-get update' again
[12:07] <xophEr> and that means its not enabled?
[12:07] <skyhawker> HappyFool, i see wine-doc, wine, winelib, winesetuptk
[12:07] <thoreauputic> xophEr: sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hd* where * is your hard drive
[12:07] <HappyFool> skyhawker: hmm
[12:07] <sorush20> could someone shed some light on something for me....  please.... I'll paste the details in the flood...
[12:07] <xophEr> ok
[12:07] <skyhawker> HappyFool, btw, am on amd64
[12:07] <HappyFool> skyhawker: what does 'sudo apt-get install wine' do then?
[12:07] <HappyFool> skyhawker: oooooohhhhhhhhh
[12:07] <ubuntu-simon> whats the mount command to mount my windows partition
[12:07] <xophEr> HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument
[12:07] <thoreauputic> xophEr: /etc/hdparm.conf to make it start on boot
[12:07] <HappyFool> skyhawker: i don't think wine works on amd64
[12:07] <Seveas> ubuntu-simon: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[12:07] <v1ru5> ok
[12:07] <v1ru5> now i booted, no errors
[12:07] <v1ru5> BUT
[12:07] <skyhawker> HappyFool, oh crap. that's how simple it is???
[12:07] <Seveas> xophEr, run hdparm as root
[12:07] <v1ru5> how do i launch up x and some WM manually????
[12:08] <v1ru5> startx doesn't work.
[12:08] <thoreauputic> xophEr: sudo
[12:08] <xophEr> yes, I did run it as root
[12:08] <Seveas> v1ru5, is startx won't work, it does not work :)
[12:08] <holycow> startx from where?
[12:08] <HappyFool> skyhawker:look here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/otherosfs/wine
[12:08] <Seveas> v1ru5, what does startx say?
[12:08] <HappyFool> skyhawker: only i386 listed
[12:08] <thoreauputic> xophEr: what did you type?
[12:08] <holycow> try sudo startx?
[12:08] <Seveas> holycow, eeeek
[12:08] <xophEr> thoreauputic, sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda
[12:08] <Seveas> don't!
[12:08] <srivest> put the 1 close to the d like -d1
[12:08] <v1ru5> Seveas: command not found
[12:08] <Seveas> v1ru5, hmm
[12:08] <xophEr> oh
[12:08] <Chalma|ZzZ> well I'm about dead I will try tomorrow
[12:08] <v1ru5> i am really getting tired of this ubuntu shit
[12:08] <Chalma|ZzZ> gnight
[12:08] <Seveas> did you do a server/expert install?
[12:09] <v1ru5> 15 times i have installed it
[12:09] <v1ru5> Seveas: yep
[12:09] <HappyFool> skyhawker: maybe someone else knows about '32-bit chrooting', or something, which may help you; unfortunately I'm not familiar with that
[12:09] <v1ru5> and now i am thinking of the 16th
[12:09] <Seveas> v1ru5, that does not install X :)
[12:09] <thoreauputic> xophEr: yes, the space was wrong I think - sorry
[12:09] <v1ru5> Seveas: oh, lol
[12:09] <xophEr> thoreauputic, still didnt work :)
[12:09] <xophEr> same error
[12:09] <v1ru5> so another install
[12:09] <v1ru5> lol
[12:09] <v1ru5> brb
[12:09] <thoreauputic> xophEr: hmm
[12:09] <Seveas> v1ru5, no
[12:09] <v1ru5> O_o
[12:09] <holycow> v1ru5, well lets see, you are trying to install dual boot but you don't have the skills to pull it off ... :)
[12:09] <Seveas> v1ru5, which window manager do you want? gnome/kde/xfce?
[12:09] <holycow> v1ru5, try getting a separate hd and install it on that
[12:09] <skyhawker> HappyFool, hm ok. damn......um, is there another program I can use....or should I take the time to format and install the 32-bit version..
[12:09] <v1ru5> Seveas: gnome
[12:09] <holycow> that way you can boot into what you need and you get to still play with ubuntu
[12:10] <skyhawker> HappyFool, could I install 32-bit?
[12:10] <Seveas> v1ru5, in the console, simply type: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[12:10] <v1ru5> holycow: actually, i've only had problems with the boot loader, not the os's itself
[12:10] <HappyFool> skyhawker: as far as i know, you can install 32-bit x86 ubuntu on an amd64
[12:10] <skyhawker> HappyFool, would this be my best option?
[12:10] <thoreauputic> xophEr: are you sure the drive is hda ?
[12:10] <Seveas> v1ru5, then wait a while and reboot
[12:10] <HappyFool> skyhawker: i don't know; have you googled on 'amd64 wine' ?
[12:10] <holycow> v1ru5, *nod*, just for the record, i understand your frustration, i'm just trying to linup the cause and effect properly
[12:11] <xophEr> thoreauputic, positive..
[12:11] <thoreauputic> xophEr: try typing " sudo hdparm /dev/hda " - you should get a atatus report on the existing settings
[12:12] <thoreauputic> *status
[12:12] <srivest> xophEr: it's possible that the controller doesn't let you do that dynamically .. on the web they talk abour recompiling the kernel with DMA "on"
[12:12] <v1ru5> holycow: yep well, for some reason the MBR is busted
[12:12] <v1ru5> and i don't know how to fix MBR's
[12:12] <HappyFool> skyhawker: i'm not sure what this means, but it doesn't sound promising re wine on amd64 (in 64-bit mode): http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/02/msg00341.html
[12:12] <v1ru5> holycow: do you?
[12:12] <holycow> do i what? dual boot?
[12:12] <v1ru5> Seveas: ok, but what's the password? O_o
[12:12] <v1ru5> Seveas: for the sudo
[12:12] <HappyFool> skyhawker: so i guess your best bet is 32-bit mode if you really need wine
[12:12] <Seveas> v1ru5, your own
[12:12] <holycow> no, dual booting is stupid considering how cheap hd's are
[12:12] <v1ru5> holycow: can you fix broken sectors on HD's
[12:12] <holycow> i use removable hd trays and usb hd's
[12:12] <Seveas> the one you log in with
[12:12] <Bola> v1ru5: haha what a nick :)
[12:13] <skyhawker> HappyFool, yeah I just googled it, there's a lot of questions, but no answers
[12:13] <v1ru5> Bola: ??
[12:13] <srivest> xophEr: I've just tried myself and I get: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument
[12:13] <HappyFool> skyhawker: what do you need wine for?
[12:13] <holycow> ah no, i never learned about mbr because there is no point :/
[12:13] <v1ru5> Seveas: "user xxxxxxxx" is not on sudo list ..
[12:13] <holycow> wish i could be more helpfull
[12:13] <v1ru5> Seveas: how can i add people to sudo list
[12:13] <Bola> v1ru5: digits in nicks is deprecated :)
[12:13] <v1ru5> yah but i've used this for over 10 yrs now
[12:13] <v1ru5> so i'm not going to change it
[12:13] <v1ru5> sorry
[12:13] <holycow> used what for 10 years?
[12:14] <v1ru5> this nick
[12:14] <skyhawker> HappyFool, I'm still trying to get my head around Linux really, but there's a few little games and programs I'd still like to be able to use..
[12:14] <holycow> oh, haha!
[12:14] <v1ru5> O_o
[12:14] <holycow> sorry thought you were talking about linux, nm
[12:14] <v1ru5> :D
[12:14] <v1ru5> i wish
[12:14] <v1ru5> anyhow, how do i add people to sudo list?
[12:14] <HappyFool> skyhawker: well, despite the opinion of others here ;) i'd considering have a dual-boot system
[12:14] <HappyFool> v1ru5: do you have a root password? did you enter one during install?
[12:14] <v1ru5> cause when i give sudo my pass it just says that my login is not in the sudo list
[12:14] <v1ru5> yeah i have it
[12:14] <v1ru5> but sudo apparently doesn't want it
[12:15] <HappyFool> v1ru5: then use 'su -c <command>' instead
[12:15] <v1ru5> just says that wrong password byebye
[12:15] <HappyFool> v1ru5: entering the root password
[12:15] <srivest> anyone using skype ?
[12:15] <v1ru5> can't i just change to root and run aptitude without the sudo
[12:15] <v1ru5> ?
[12:15] <thoreauputic> v1ru5: because sudo wants your user passwd
[12:15] <HappyFool> v1ru5: you can add yourself to the sudo list by doing something like 'EDITOR=gedit su -c visudo /etc/sudoers'
[12:15] <rem_> Hey just a simple question how do you open a tgz.gpg file ?
[12:15] <skyhawker> HappyFool, ha I've had that before and don't particularly like that method, I did have Fedora Core 4 installed on a VMWare virtual drive when I was on XP, but I'm trying to stay away from the windows installation
[12:16] <holycow> http://www.newsforge.com/articles/05/07/19/1824234.shtml?tid=149  <-- heh, love that article
[12:16] <HappyFool> skyhawker: i didn't mean vmware, but actual dual-booting. anyway, if you're happy with 32-bit linux, go for it. i'd first check that whether your apps work with wine or not
[12:16] <thoreauputic> !rootsudo
[12:16] <ubotu> methinks rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:17] <skyhawker> HappyFool, if I could find a copy of VMWare for Linux, um.. floating around...anywhere I'd use that (I knew what you meant, I preferred the VMWare to the dual-boot)(
[12:17] <HappyFool> v1ru5: yeah, you can do 'su -c aptitude' to, but ubuntu gnome admin apps (and most people here) will assume you have sudo setup
[12:17] <HappyFool> skyhawker: never used vmware, sorry
[12:18] <darkmatter> holycow: hahahaha
[12:18] <skyhawker> HappyFool, I think the 64-bit-ness of it make very little difference to me anyway :) I just installed it cos I could!
[12:18] <v1ru5> umm
[12:18] <v1ru5> i changed to root, ran the aptitude..
[12:18] <medrakil> is there any way to find out what's keeping my cdrom from ejecting?
[12:18] <Samuar> google for an old trial of vmware on someones anon ftp and you will find one. i sent an email to vmware noticing one once, and they just told me it was perfectly legal - even tho the keygen was sitting next to it. so with their blessing, i used it...
[12:18] <holycow> darkmatter, :)
[12:18] <HappyFool> skyhawker: heh. ok
[12:18] <rem_> Hey just a simple question how do you open a tgz.gpg file ?
[12:18] <skyhawker> HappyFool, ok so I'll go and format :( godamn I do that too much..
[12:19] <thoreauputic> medrakil: try sudo eject /dev/cdrom
[12:19] <HappyFool> medrakil: maybe 'lsof /dev/cdrom' ?
[12:19] <medrakil> thoreauputic: tried that
[12:19] <skyhawker> HappyFool, oh, and thanks for the help. much appreciated
[12:19] <rem_> umount /dev/cdrom
[12:19] <HappyFool> skyhawker: cool. good luck
[12:19] <thoreauputic> medrakil: what's the error message?
[12:19] <rem_> ?
[12:20] <medrakil> HappyFool: didn't return anything
[12:20] <medrakil> thoreauputic: i did a lazy umount first and now it worked
[12:21] <medrakil> but why doesn't linux just eject when you press the button, ike windows does?
[12:21] <medrakil> *like
[12:21] <heatxsink> medrakil, it does
[12:21] <medrakil> no it doesn't
[12:21] <heatxsink> medrakil, do you have an unsupported device?
[12:22] <medrakil> no
[12:22] <heatxsink> I don't get it
[12:22] <heatxsink> my ubuntu ejects just like windows
[12:22] <thoreauputic> medrakil: if the device is busy it won't eject
[12:22] <Samuar> mine ejects more like mac os
[12:22] <medrakil> well i've had problems w/ this at several computers.. :/ some w/ ubuntu, but also ohers
[12:23] <medrakil> Samuar: you have to throw it in the trash can for it to eject? :)
[12:23] <heatxsink> just right click unmount if you're in Gnome
[12:23] <HappyFool> mine doesn't eject if it's mounted, even if it's not really 'busy'
[12:23] <heatxsink> HappyFool, do you have a window open that is using the volume?
[12:23] <HappyFool> medrakil: there's been at least 1 flamewar regarding this here ;)
[12:24] <HappyFool> heatxsink: i'm not sure. there's a little speaker icon next to my clock
[12:24] <medrakil> HappyFool: and why is that? obviously when i press the button i want the damn cd out - if it's mounted, obviously i'd want it unmounted and out..
[12:24] <heatxsink> HappyFool, volume = mounted drive
[12:24] <HappyFool> heatxsink: oh, sorry, not audio volume. not, nothing viewing the cd
[12:25] <heatxsink> not even a terminal?
[12:25] <HappyFool> medrakil: file a bug/feature request
[12:25] <HappyFool> heatxsink: nope
[12:25] <heatxsink> that's odd
[12:25] <HappyFool> heatxsink: this is pushing the hardware eject button
[12:25] <HappyFool> heatxsink: not 'unmounting' in gnome -- that works fine
[12:25] <heatxsink> ahh
[12:25] <heatxsink> i get you
[12:25] <HappyFool> or ejecting, or whatever
[12:25] <heatxsink> I have on idea
[12:25] <heatxsink> no*
[12:25] <heatxsink> well good luck!
[12:25] <sylvan> Hi all. How come I can only read my mounted windows partition using "sudo".. It says that the owner is "root" and chmod'ing it doesn't work...
[12:25] <darkmatter> HappyFool: same here
[12:26] <HappyFool> i'm not complaining ;) this is just the way linux (or ubuntu) currently works
[12:26] <medrakil> sylvan: specify another owner in fstab
[12:26] <medrakil> sylvan: can't remeber how you do that thoufg
[12:26] <sylvan> how? /dev/sdb5	/mnt/winxp_scratch	ntfs	rw,auto,user 0 0
[12:26] <medrakil> *though
[12:26] <HappyFool> sylvan: add a umask=000 option
[12:26] <sylvan> ok, will try
[12:26] <HappyFool> sylvan: so 'rw,auto,umask=000'
[12:26] <Seveas> HappyFool, ro
[12:27] <darkmatter> I'm not complaining either. Maybe I'm just weird, but I actually like it that way:D
[12:27] <HappyFool> on ntfs?
[12:27] <Seveas> ntfs writing is not possible :)
[12:27] <HappyFool> is ro anyway *shrug*
[12:27] <HappyFool> oh
[12:27] <HappyFool> right, sorry
[12:27] <Seveas> yeah :)
[12:27] <HappyFool> more thinking, less typing
[12:27] <Seveas> no matter what you do, write bits won't be set :)
[12:27] <sylvan> what does "user 0 0" do?
[12:28] <HappyFool> i think 'user' means any normal user can mount the device
[12:28] <nikkia> sylvan: user says anyone can mount/unmount it, and the 0 0 are the fsck sequencing, since ntfs isn't fsck'ed, its 0 0
[12:28] <sylvan> hmm..  well that's strange since that's precisely what doesn't happen =) I can not reach it as "sylvan" but I can reach if I sudo
[12:28] <Seveas> sylvan, it talks about *mounting* not about reading from it...
[12:28] <HappyFool> sylvan: but it's mounted for you on boot, by root
[12:29] <Seveas> auto,ro,umask=0000 will make it readable by anyone
[12:29] <sylvan> ah.. so umask=000 sets read permissions?
[12:29] <sylvan> okay, thanks!
[12:29] <Seveas> auto,ro,user,umask=0000 will make it appear on the places menu
[12:29] <thoreauputic> sylvan: I have set /dev/hda1       /windows        ntfs    noauto,ro,users,umask=022 0 0
[12:29] <sylvan> one more question, uid=1000 and gid=1000 appears on another mounted disk, what does that mean?
[12:29] <thoreauputic> FWIW
[12:30] <sylvan> 022?
[12:30] <Seveas> sylvan, that means that uid 1000 will be listed as owner
[12:30] <sylvan> meanin?
[12:30] <thoreauputic> sylvan: because it's read-only
[12:30] <Seveas> and 022 is effectively the same as 000 on ntfs
[12:30] <sylvan> ok
[12:30] <HappyFool> uid 1000 (user id 1000) is probably you
[12:30] <thoreauputic> Seveas: true
[12:30] <sylvan> okay.. I'll try this and see if it works.. thanks!
[12:32] <HappyFool> btw, i upgraded firefox to the latest, and it's fine; i only have the adblock extension
[12:32] <sylvan> it says that "line 10 in fstab is bad" /dev/sda1	/mnt/winxp_system	ntfs	ro,auto,user 0 0,umask=000
[12:32] <vladuz976> hi anybody, would one install cpanel as root user or regular user on their server?
[12:32] <HappyFool> the umask=000 needs to come after user, and before the 0   0
[12:32] <thoreauputic> sylvan: wrong order
[12:33] <sylvan> ah..
[12:33] <sylvan> looks like its working! thanks!
[12:34] <nikkia> vladuz976: if one knew what they were doing, they'd have a seperate user for their web stuff, and install it as that :P
[12:35] <thoreauputic> nikkia: OTOH, if one knew what they were doing, they wouldn't need to ask ;)
[12:35] <nikkia> thoreauputic: true
[12:35] <vladuz976> nikkia: yeah that is what i was guessing. my friend installed as root so now needs root access all the time
[12:35] <linuxboy> how do I get DivX working in ubuntu?
[12:35] <millennuimdark> quit
[12:36] <sylvan> okay, another quick question. In Mplayer (just using applications->sound &video -> mplayer), how can I watch something fullscreen? If I right click and select fullscreen mplaye does cover the screen, but the video is still the same size with black borders around
[12:36] <coobra> google : ubuntu divx :/
[12:36] <bob2> linuxboy: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:36] <bob2> I'm pretty sure the FAQ links to that
[12:36] <pvanhoof> the mkfontdir bin isn't being found while upgrading from hoary to breezy
[12:36] <nikkia> sylvan: that sounds like mplayer is using the X11 driver, change mplayer to use 'xv' as the output method
[12:36] <thoreauputic> sylvan: you need the "zoom" option in the config file
[12:36] <pvanhoof> the package management systems complains about it not being foun
[12:36] <pvanhoof> d
[12:37] <sylvan> where's the config file?
[12:37] <bob2> pvanhoof: yes, breezy is not ready for normal users yet
[12:37] <thoreauputic> sylvan: /etc/mplayer I assume
[12:37] <bob2> one of the problem is that X pretty broken
[12:38] <vladuz976> nikkia: do you think other than fucking stuff up yourself, having cpanel in root carries other dangerous?
[12:38] <pvanhoof> bob2, will it work?
[12:38] <vladuz976> nikkia: *dangers
[12:38] <bob2> pvanhoof: no
[12:38] <thoreauputic> sylvan: mplayer.conf in /etc/mplayer
[12:38] <nikkia> vladuz976: yes
[12:38] <Seveas> bob2, do you perhaps know how I can read filesystem labels..?
[12:38] <vladuz976> nikkia: like?
[12:38] <bob2> pvanhoof: read the topic, for instance
[12:38] <pvanhoof> bob2, can one get it to work?
[12:38] <bob2> Seveas: tune2fs
[12:38] <nikkia> vladuz976: cpanel has modules for accessing files, letting root do that is really bad
[12:38] <bob2> pvanhoof: are you an ubuntu or debian developer?
[12:38] <Seveas> bob2, that's to set it
[12:39] <vladuz976> nikkia: why exactly? what is the danger there?
[12:39] <Seveas> bob2, and I need something that works for non-e2 too :)
[12:39] <linuxboy> bob2: how do I play DivX files without Mplayer ?
[12:39] <nikkia> vladuz976: that said, if apache uses chroot (i don't think it does...) then the damage would be limited to www-root....
[12:39] <sylvan> so should I still have x11 as video driver?
[12:39] <AlexBO> can you advice me a program to change the wallpaper at regular intervals?
[12:39] <pvanhoof> bob2, assuming I am a highly experienced developer, can I get it to work after some specific tweaks? or is it totally broken (as in: reinstalling everything would take less time)
[12:39] <nnach1> linuxboy: you should install the codes
[12:39] <nikkia> vladuz976: because there are potential exploits that could do bad things by giving public root access to the filesystem, even if it is 'abstracted' as just files below www-root
[12:40] <bob2> pvanhoof: if you're a highly experienced ubuntu or debian developer, you can get it working, yes
[12:40] <thoreauputic> sylvan: dunno - I just set "zoom" and it worked - YMMV
[12:40] <bob2> pvanhoof: that you're asking indicates that reinstalling would be easier
[12:40] <sylvan> ok
[12:40] <bob2> linuxboy: use xine or vlc if you have some religious aversion to mplayer
[12:40] <bob2> Seveas: dunno then
[12:40] <pvanhoof> bob2, what has to be done to get it working (in case I'm highly experienced)
[12:40] <Seveas> bob2, k, thanks anyway :)
[12:40] <iZoom> hallo
[12:40] <bob2> pvanhoof: reading the various bug reports and ubuntu-devel archives
[12:41] <nikkia> vladuz976: for example, say i use ftp to create a symlink from ~/public_html/passwd to /etc/shadow   normally, while that would 'work', i wouldn't be able to read the file, but if i then use cpanel to access the filesystem, i could potentially view /etc/shadow
[12:41] <vladuz976> nikkia: probably big hassle to change everything since, it's set up already for a while
[12:41] <bob2> clearly you're not, tho, so it's kinda moot
[12:41] <iZoom> warum geht mein modem nicht mit ubunto?
[12:41] <Seveas> iZoom, #ubuntu-de fuer deutschsprachige hilfe..
[12:41] <pvanhoof> bob2, clearly I've probably been developing/contributing on most of the applications that you're working with atm.
[12:41] <pvanhoof> however, whether or not I'm experienced doesn't really matter
[12:41] <pvanhoof> right?
[12:42] <pvanhoof> which bugs are the most important ones?
[12:42] <bob2> I'm not trying to be an ass, sorry
[12:42] <bob2> but breezy is really quite fucked
[12:42] <nikkia> vladuz976: worse, because apache/cpanel is running as root, i could perhaps even overwrite /etc/shadow with my own contents, and thus gain complete access to the system :)
[12:42] <bob2> daniel basically told everyone to leave him alone until next week when he can fix it
[12:42] <Seveas> without X, breezy is reasonably fine :)
[12:42] <Seveas> nikkia, apache running as root..?
[12:42] <bob2> pvanhoof: I don't know the specific bug #s, sorry
[12:42] <Seveas> that's stupid...
[12:43] <pvanhoof> ok np
[12:43] <nikkia> Seveas: that's what vladuz976 said it is configured as
[12:43] <vladuz976> nikkia: that doesn't sound very good
[12:43] <pvanhoof> I'll mainly search for bugs related to X
[12:43] <cyphase> anyone having problems with DNS?
[12:43] <vladuz976> Seveas: yes
[12:43] <Seveas> apache running as root is a major security error
[12:43] <nikkia> Seveas: i can't remember if apache chroot's tho, i don't think it does...
[12:43] <Seveas> cyphase, only in firfox :)
[12:43] <bob2> apche doesn't chroot
[12:43] <cyphase> yea..
[12:44] <Seveas> cyphase: Open firefox and go to about:config. Now search for network.dns.disableIPV6 and set that value to true. Restart Firefox to see the effect.
[12:44] <cyphase> it's not just firefox
[12:44] <cyphase> wget isn't working either
[12:44] <nikkia> bob, didn't think so, it'd make handling ~/public_html very difficult unless you start a new thread/process for each URL and chroot after determining where to chroot to
[12:44] <Seveas> cyphase, disable ipv6 completely then, that might help
[12:45] <bob2> pvanhoof: #ubuntu-devel might be a better place to ask, but I don't htink anyone in the know is around atm
[12:45] <cyphase> Seveas, it was working a minute ago..
[12:45] <bob2> nikkia: hah, yeah
[12:45] <pvanhoof> ok
[12:45] <Seveas> cyphase, ah ok
[12:45] <Seveas> then your dns server may simply be b0rking a bit
[12:46] <thoreauputic> cyphase: maybe look for a public dns server and change /etc/resolv.conf ?
[12:46] <Seveas> cyphase, try: dig @82.148.208.131 freenode.net
[12:47] <Seveas> cyphase, if that works, your normal dns server is having a hickup
[12:47] <nikkia> thoreauputic: i've found that on some ISPs, you're simply better setting up a caching DNS locally that goes straight to the root servers
[12:47] <thoreauputic> nikkia: sounds reasonable
[12:48] <cyphase> Seveas, not working
[12:48] <cyphase> ...
[12:48] <Seveas> cyphase, then your problem is not dns
[12:48] <Seveas> your connection is flaky...
[12:48] <cyphase> hmm..
[12:48] <Seveas> are you on irc from the same machine?
[12:48] <cyphase> yea
[12:48] <Seveas> odd :)
[12:48] <cyphase> very
[12:49] <cyphase> and it's not just firefox
[12:49] <nikkia> Seveas: could be port 53 being blocked
[12:49] <Seveas> cyphase: ping 194.145.194.141
[12:49] <vladuz976> hey one of you long time linux users, what were you using before ubuntu?
[12:49] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: Debian
[12:49] <bob2> debian
[12:49] <Seveas> vladuz976, solaris/debian/red hat/gentoo/windows
[12:50] <vladuz976> why the change?
[12:50] <Seveas> Ubuntu is simply the best :)
[12:50] <cyphase> ah
[12:50] <nikkia> vladuz976: in order of most recent to oldest, knoppix, debian, slackware, yellowdog, suse, slackware, redhat, slackware, slakware, yggdrasil, mcc
[12:50] <cyphase> i can't even use my router's DNS
[12:50] <darkmatter> vladuz976: Debian
[12:50] <Seveas> and I still use red hat/solaris/windows at work
[12:50] <cyphase> for the network
[12:50] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: Ubuntu is less hassle ;)
[12:50] <pvanhoof> in what package can mkfontdir be found (on breezy?)
[12:50] <vladuz976> Seveas: where do you work, that they give you all that
[12:50] <bob2> I still use both
[12:51] <bob2> pvanhoof: it may not be in any package yet
[12:51] <Seveas> pvanhoof, xutils
[12:51] <Seveas> vladuz976, University of Amsterdam
[12:51] <thoreauputic> nikkia: yggdrasil eh? A real veteran ;-)
[12:51] <nikkia> thoreauputic: the mcc is the real veteran one :P
[12:51] <Seveas> vladuz976, but I try to stay clear of all these OS'es and am installing Ubuntu wherever I can :)
[12:51] <thoreauputic> nikkia: :)
[12:51] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: yeah, see i am thinking since ubuntu is less hassle that will keep me from learning some basic stuff
[12:51] <nikkia> thoreauputic: that was when it was linux 0.12 and on 2 floppies, no X yet :P
[12:52] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: not really - Ubuntu is mostly like Debian
[12:52] <nikkia> erm, 0.13 rather
[12:52] <Seveas> vladuz976, www.tldp.org -> enough learning material :)
[12:53] <cyphase> huh
[12:53] <cyphase> it's working now
[12:53] <cyphase> veeeeeeery strange
[12:53] <cyphase> and my brother's computer was working fine
[12:54] <Seveas> cyphase, just a hickup :)
[12:54] <vladuz976> bob2: what makes you use both? do you dual boot them or is that like at home and at work?
[12:54] <pho> hi
[12:54] <darkmatter> pho, hi
[12:54] <bob2> vladuz976: ubuntu doesn't run on as many architectures as debian
[12:54] <bob2> and I maintain packages for debian
[12:55] <vladuz976> bob2: sounds like debian is the one for you then
[12:55] <pho> i managed to auto mount a fat32 partition... howto set it that i can write files to it?
[12:55] <bob2> both is a good combination
[12:55] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: heh - bob2 is kind of involved with Ubuntu as well ;)
[12:55] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: bob2 oh really? how
[12:56] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: ask him
[12:56] <vladuz976> bob2: how
[12:57] <Seveas> pho, add umask=0111 to the options in the fstab line
[12:57] <pho> ok ... thx
[12:57] <pho> instead of uid?
[12:58] <Seveas> you can use both
[12:58] <Seveas> I have rw,user,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0111,dmask=0000
[12:58] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: he doesn't answer :(
[12:58] <darkmatter> pho, also make sure you have it set to rw instead of ro
[12:58] <Seveas> pho, that enables wveryonw to write to it
[12:58] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: maybe he prefers not to :)
[12:59] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: possible
[12:59] <pho> darkmatter, there is no ro....
[01:00] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: looks like you'll have to take my word for it then ;-)
[01:00] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: ok, i will
[01:00] <darkmatter> pho, then it's already rw.
[01:01] <pho> ok... ill try it now :)
[01:01] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: I suggest a /whois bob2 will tell you
[01:02] <hondje> oye
[01:02] <vladuz976> didn't
[01:03] <hondje> this quasi-divorce is sure taking all my #ubuntu helping time
[01:03] <vladuz976> hey to they guys that explained the root and cpanel stuff would you please take a quick look at this http://rafb.net/paste/results/p5gHuI39.html
[01:03] <pvanhoof> bob2
[01:04] <pvanhoof> you said I had to be highly experienced to get breezy' s X11 working
[01:04] <pvanhoof> you' ve been wrong
[01:04] <pvanhoof> :)
[01:04] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: the whois didn't return anything?
[01:04] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: it did here
[01:04] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: a lot in fact
[01:05] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: shoot something wrong then here
[01:05] <pvanhoof> I do agree there' s some package issues. mkfontdir isn' t in a package
[01:05] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: nah, he's away now
[01:05] <pvanhoof> going to reboot to test the new kernel (in a few minutes, first making sure everything is set correctly)
[01:05] <Seveas> vladuz976, a control panel should not be integrated into apache but be its own web server...
[01:06] <vladuz976> Seveas: so as long as not integrated into apache its ok?
[01:06] <darkmatter> pvanhoof, how'd you fix X? II've been having a heck of a time getting it going in breezy.
[01:07] <Seveas> vladuz976, well, I still don't like these kind off applications, they are major security risks....
[01:07] <Seveas> server admins should be able to edit config files :)
[01:07] <pvanhoof> darkmatter, you basically need to get a mkfontdir binary installed (in your PATH and in /usr/X11/bin also -- symlink it --), and then dkpg-reconfigure xfonts-base
[01:07] <darkmatter> pvanhoof, thanks:)
[01:07] <vladuz976> Seveas: yeah they probably should, but this guy knows less than me about linux and is runnning fedora on his server
[01:08] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: just /msg ed you the output
[01:08] <pvanhoof> darkmatter, it basically fails to install mkfontdir .. and some scripts/etcetera's still have it pointed to /usr/X11/..
[01:08] <Seveas> darkmatter, pvanhoof that just fixes it until daniels breaks something else :)
[01:08] <pho> it still hasnt the permissions to write, the line looks like that:
[01:08] <pho> /dev/hda8       /media/windows_i vfat auto,umask=0111,dmask=0222,fmask=0333 0 0
[01:08] <pvanhoof> Seveas, yep :). So I'm going to be careful when upgrading
[01:08] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: got it thanks
[01:08] <darkmatter> pvanhoof, lol
[01:08] <Seveas> pho, remove the umask bit, and the dmask bit is faulty
[01:09] <Seveas> pho, for an easy solution: remove it completely and download and run http://ubuntu-nl.org/files/winmac-fstab
[01:09] <pvanhoof> they are using the current kernel's version for when upgrading linux-restricted-modules-386
[01:10] <pvanhoof> so while upgrading it'll fail finding 'linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-4-386' (in my case)
[01:10] <pvanhoof> guessing it'll succeed after reboot
[01:10] <Seveas> pvanhoof, there is no such thing yet
[01:10] <pvanhoof> aha
[01:10] <pvanhoof> then I'm probably lucky I'm not really using any of the restricted modules
[01:11] <pvanhoof> I think I once needed it for my ati card .. but have deactivated the fglrx thing
[01:11] <pho_> seveas  this page isnt available
[01:11] <pvanhoof> going to try the reboot.. if you guys also fucked up the kernel :), i'll be agry
[01:12] <pvanhoof> -- getting myself a bootable cd just in case --
[01:12] <Seveas> pho_, sorry, it's winmac_fstab with an _ instead of -
[01:12] <pho_> seveas ok thx
[01:12] <darkmatter> pvanhoof, goodluck
[01:12] <pvanhoof> :p
[01:12] <Seveas> pho_, it only works if you first remove the line completely from /etc/fstab
[01:13] <pho_> seveas yes...whats with the mountpoint?
[01:14] <Seveas> pho_, it'll be in /media/
[01:14] <Seveas> but you can change the fstab line once it's generated, just keep the options the way they are
[01:15] <pvanhoof> you guys didn' t fuckup the kernel, I' m not angry
[01:15] <pvanhoof> :)
[01:15] <zukalk> is there a command to term a program without killing it, (e.g. so that it can save changes made), like if you pressed Close?
[01:16] <pvanhoof> you guys did fuckup gnome-session related stuff, X11 keyboard related stuff, xfonts-base etcetera ... but thats okay
[01:17] <pvanhoof> that vanhoofp joining, illustrates how you guys fucked up gnome-session related stuff :)
[01:18] <Seveas> pvanhoof, don't complain. It's all for a good cause (modular Xorg) and all being fixed....
[01:19] <pvanhoof> ok :)
[01:19] <zukalk> Seveas, any help? you're usually the guy who knows it all :P
[01:19] <Seveas> zukalk, depends completely on the program
[01:19] <zukalk> Seveas, XMMS
[01:19] <Seveas> some programs save nicely on kill, some don't
[01:19] <Seveas> xmms will not save anything on kill
[01:19] <pho_> Seveas nice prog, but still cant write... its fat32... that shouldnt matter? :/
[01:19] <pvanhoof> Seveas, I'm glad this time I got X11 working. Last time I tried breezy (two monts ago) X11 was so messed it wasn' t worth trying to get it fixed
[01:20] <pvanhoof> this time, however, it' s going in the right direction
[01:20] <Seveas> pho_, please paste your /etc/fstab and the result of 'mount' with no arguments on the pastebin
[01:20] <Seveas> pvanhoof, in a few more weeks it will be working
[01:21] <pvanhoof> Seveas, somebody should announce that. Or celebrate it :p
[01:21] <Seveas> pvanhoof, we will all celebrate daniels' victory when it is finally working :)
[01:21] <pvanhoof> :)\
[01:21] <Seveas> it will also be the time for lots of people to switch to Breezy
[01:22] <pvanhoof> this attempt, I' m convinced he' ll get it done
[01:22] <pho_> Seveas pastebin?
[01:22] <ajmitch> Seveas: the leadup to feature freeze might be a little disruptive as well
[01:22] <Seveas> pho, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:23] <Seveas> ajmitch, I know and I won't be switching to breezy before that. But lots of people are dying to try out Breezy and will do so the moment daniels has succeeded :)
[01:24] <banskuz> Say my nick (testing xchat-tray)
[01:24] <pvanhoof> banskuz,
[01:24] <thoreauputic> banskuz:
[01:25] <pvanhoof> :p
[01:25] <banskuz> thx
[01:25] <Seveas> banskuz, this is not a testing channel :)
[01:25] <Seveas> (and xchat-tray is nice)
[01:25] <pho_> seveas ok... there it is...
[01:25] <ajmitch> Seveas: I switched right at the start of the development cycle :)
[01:25] <ajmitch> and I've paid for it with breakage, of course
[01:25] <zukalk> but Seveas, isn't there something like, maybe, 'termall xmms' ? :P
[01:26] <Seveas> pho_, umount /media/windows_i
[01:26] <Seveas> pho_, you can write to /media/hda8
[01:26] <Seveas> zukalk, you can do killall xmms or pkill xmms but it won't save settings...
[01:27] <Seveas> ajmitch, my systems are production systems, no room/time for breakages :)
[01:27] <anachronism> aiee, excuse me, does some know a way to reset the font-configuration to default? I think i really messed up with it, everything suddenly look so grainy
[01:27] <zukalk> Seveas, what i'd like to know then is WHAT happens when i click the "close" button in XMMS, and i can't do it myself with a simple command
[01:28] <zukalk> and why* i can't do it myself
[01:28] <Lwolf> hi, need help : i'm trying to install totem-xine but it complain about libmodplug0 . Does anybody know about this problem ?
[01:28] <pho_> seveas do i need to restart?
[01:28] <Seveas> zukalk, what happens is that you send an X message to XMMS which is handled by its main loop. This has no equivalent in a simple shell command because that would simply be impossible
[01:28] <Seveas> pho_, np
[01:28] <Seveas> no
[01:29] <Seveas> Lwolf, please paste the complete error on the pastebin
[01:29] <zukalk> Seveas, ohh i see, thanks. damn
[01:30] <Seveas> pho_, if you simply type umount /media/windows_i (to clear out the confusion) and try writing to /media/hda8
[01:30] <snowman1000> hi im doing a dual boot with xp and ubuntu, but when i try to load up windows im getting an error autocheck program not found is anyone familar with that?
[01:30] <Lwolf> seveas : libxine1 : depends : libmodplug0 (>= 1:0.7-1) but it is not installable (sorry traducted from french)
[01:30] <zwnj> i wanna build mozilla-firefox from server.  it's configure checks for gmake that fails on my ubuntu machine.  which package provides gmake?  should i just link make to gmake?
[01:31] <pho_> seveas i unmounted hda8 and mounted it again,,, now it works :)
[01:31] <pho_> seveas thanks a lot!
[01:31] <Seveas> Lwolf, please paste your complete /etc/apt/sources.list on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:32] <skyhawker> HappyFool, I'm back, could you paste your sources.list for me again?
[01:32] <thoreauputic> zwnj: do you have the build-esential package installed?
[01:33] <thoreauputic> zwnj: sorry typo - build-essential
[01:33] <Lwolf> seveas : sorry.. just found... main restrited   hoary deb line was missing... <--- sorry for bothering
[01:34] <Seveas> :)
[01:34] <skyhawker> or could somebody paste me the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for universe and multiverse?
[01:34] <Lwolf> Seveas, does this line not in default ubuntu install ?
[01:34] <comctrl6> hi guys
[01:35] <Seveas> Lwolf, depends on what you specified during install :)
[01:35] <snowman1000> hey comctrl6
[01:35] <Seveas> Lwolf: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[01:35] <Seveas> skyhawker, see my last line to Lwolf :)
[01:35] <suldal> Newbie question - After i have updated ubuntu, I'm not able to download anything. Nothing happens
[01:35] <skyhawker> Seveas, thanks, noticed :)
[01:35] <Seveas> suldal, you mean in firefox i assume
[01:35] <suldal> yes
[01:36] <irc> hi! XMMS can stream Windows Media Player ASX audio streams, yeah?
[01:36] <Seveas> suldal, official and ubuntu ff are broken, you can downgrade
[01:36] <thoreauputic> !multimedia
[01:36] <ubotu> multimedia is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[01:36] <snowman1000> anyone ever have a problem dual booting?
[01:36] <thoreauputic> irc: see ubotu 's URL above
[01:37] <irc> thanks. :)
[01:37] <Seveas> suldal, see private chat
[01:37] <irc> Hm.
[01:37] <Lwolf> Seveas, thanx for help
[01:38] <emacsen> When I installed Hoary preview on this host, everything worked great. When I installed Hoary 5.04, the X config is too low. I tried dpkg-reconfigure, and no help. Any idea what to do?
[01:39] <Seveas> emacsen: To find out how you can change your display resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:39] <lordfreak> helloooooo
[01:39] <banskuz> hi
[01:39] <lordfreak> anyone uses
[01:39] <lordfreak> SKYPE?
[01:40] <zukalk> i used to
[01:40] <cyphase> how easy is it to play a DVD in ubuntu?
[01:40] <Seveas> !dvd
[01:40] <ubotu> dvd is, like, There are many good free players for linux. Totem is installed in Ubuntu by default add totem-xine and voila! - Mplayer, XINE, VLC (Cross platform) are also very good. gstreamer-totem
[01:40] <zukalk> lordfreak, back in the winblows days
[01:40] <sataere> Can anyone tell me if ubuntu is configured to optimize SATA drives?
[01:40] <Jugan> i need help
[01:40] <zwnj> thoreauputic: i have /usr/bin/make, but mozilla needs /usr/bin/gmake
[01:40] <lordfreak> winblows???
[01:40] <zukalk> lordfreak, windows
[01:40] <lordfreak> jojojojo
[01:40] <lordfreak> no... I hate windo$
[01:40] <lordfreak> :P
[01:41] <lordfreak> I has been used Slackware always
[01:41] <lordfreak> and now I am discovering Debian based distros
[01:41] <banskuz> Windblows have one good feature: 1) You can unistall it!
[01:41] <sataere> Because I had some problems when I was running Gentoo, everything would get unbearably slow while it was writing to the hdd, but when I configured it for SATA, it worked perfectly.  I'm having some really bad slowing down now that I'm updating my packages, and it reminds me of the same problem.
[01:41] <zukalk> lordfreak, i don't like the Skype's version for Linux
[01:41] <thoreauputic> zwnj: well, "make" is GNU make (I assume that's gmake) See apt-cache show make
[01:42] <lordfreak> No much
[01:42] <zukalk> banskuz, never knew that :P
[01:42] <Seveas> zwnj, have you installed the build-essential package ..?
[01:42] <lordfreak> I have installed just now, But the fonts are very huge
[01:42] <lordfreak> :s anyone knows why?
[01:42] <zwnj> Seveas: yes
[01:42] <thoreauputic> Seveas: as I asked him some time ago...
[01:42] <Seveas> zwnj, ok type this: alias gmake=make
[01:42] <Seveas> and then retry configure
[01:43] <zwnj> thoreauputic: i symlinked gmake to make, but it's not good that GNU Make package doesn't have gmake which many applications' build system depends on
[01:43] <Jugan> i installed a new version of OpenOffice, and I wanted to delete the old one which was installed with ubuntu...how do i do this?
[01:43] <lordfreak> Zukalk do you know why my fonts in Linux Version of Skype are so Huge ?
[01:44] <zukalk> lordfreak, Skype uses QT, maybe that's what causing it
[01:44] <sataere> Eesh, I used to be able to get answers within seconds on this channel, now it's like I'm invisible.  :(
[01:44] <zukalk> lordfreak, try the command 'qtconfig'
[01:44] <lordfreak> zukalk .... Hummmm 1 second Im trying
[01:44] <Seveas> zukalk, lordfreak, that is in the qt3-qtconfig package (FYI)
[01:45] <thoreauputic> zwnj: anyone writing for linux who doesn't know that "make" is gmake is ... *cough* in some alternative universe, IMO
[01:45] <zukalk> ah, thanks for clearing that up, Seveas, i couldn't remember where i got it
[01:45] <zwnj> mozilla people doesn't write just for linux
[01:45] <lordfreak> zukalk .... qtconfig doesn't runs nothing
[01:46] <zwnj> btw, gmake is available in many systems
[01:46] <zwnj> so mozilla needs gmake, not linux
[01:46] <sataere> Does anyone know if I could add SATA support to my hot plugs?
[01:47] <lordfreak> seveas thanks
[01:47] <zukalk> Seveas, should he install qt3-qtconfig?
[01:47] <thoreauputic> zwnj: I think you missed my point - why would you assume gmake is available in linux, when commonly it is invoked with "make" and is *the same thing* ?
[01:47] <Seveas> zukalk, well, to run qtconfig that would be neccessary
[01:47] <snowman1000> could anyone tell me how to run fdisk?
[01:48] <Seveas> snowman1000, run it in a terminal
[01:48] <Seveas> snowman1000, what are you trying to accomplish?
[01:48] <zukalk> Seveas, no, but what he needs is too make the fonts smaller. is there another way of doing so?
[01:48] <sataere> Hey Seveas!  Welcome back.
[01:48] <snowman1000> trying to make my xp partition unhidden
[01:48] <Seveas> zukalk, ENOCLUE, i'm staying as far away from KDE ant Qt as I can :)
[01:48] <Seveas> snowman1000, only grub can hide partitions
[01:49] <zukalk> hehe
[01:49] <Seveas> (or any other boot loader with that capability)
[01:49] <thoreauputic> zwnj: not attacking you - i just think the moz devs need to think a bit more...
[01:49] <Seveas> fdisk has not much to do with that
[01:49] <v1ru5> hi
[01:49] <zukalk> lordfreak, if you want, do an apt-get install qt3-qtconfig
[01:49] <v1ru5> i got my ubuntu working..
[01:49] <raven3x7> this firefox update has gone real bad
[01:49] <lordfreak> yeahhh
[01:49] <v1ru5> ..ALMOST
[01:50] <sataere> Seveas, would you know how to grok some info from my hdd?  I think it's SATA, but detecting as IDE and therefore causing major slowdowns.
[01:50] <lordfreak> zukalk Im instaling pakage qt3-qtconfig
[01:50] <lordfreak> zukalk seveas when I am ready will try to configure fonts ;D
[01:50] <Seveas> sataere, hdparm /dev/yourdrive
[01:50] <vinboy> hi
[01:50] <vinboy> i need help
[01:50] <sataere> Seveas, Thanks :)
[01:50] <snowman1000> grub a program or a text file?
[01:50] <sorush20> guys how do you install a .tgz file...
[01:50] <vinboy> everytime after I enter path in the console
[01:50] <zwnj> thoreauputic: i know :)
[01:50] <vinboy> if I close and restart my console... the PATH is gone
[01:51] <zwnj> thoreauputic: but i'm thinking how ubuntu-developers make their mozilla-firefox ;)
[01:51] <v1ru5> Seveas: any ideas why my logitech USB mouse doesn't work in ubuntu? and also why doesn't it load the desktop? after i login and give the password all it does is idle with only mouse cursor on the screen..
[01:51] <Seveas> vinboy, that is normal
[01:51] <Seveas> vinboy, if you want to make it permanent, edit ~/.bashrc
[01:51] <vinboy> Seveas, what can I do
[01:51] <vinboy> ok
[01:51] <boga> how do I install a package I have downloaded? When I do the "apt-get install <package-name" routine from the location of the file, apt says it cannot find it. I have also added the /home/boga/downloads path to the sources list.
[01:51] <Jugan> i installed a new version of OpenOffice, and I wanted to delete the old one which was installed with ubuntu...how do i do this?
[01:52] <sataere> Seveas, Okay that gives me back a listing of eight pretty mundane looking variables.  Nothing to do with SATA or IDE.
[01:52] <thoreauputic> zwnj: yes, i think they should send a bug report upstream - any linux user knows "make"- but gmake is kind of obscure if you aren't on unix
[01:52] <sataere> Seveas, but I remember hdparm from when I fixed the problem under gentoo.
[01:52] <Seveas> sataere, if it's sata it will be /dev/sd* if it's simply IDE/ATA it's /dev/hd*
[01:53] <snowman1000> to run a program is         sh "program name"?
[01:53] <Seveas> sataere, probably you want to enable dma if it's not on yet
[01:53] <sataere> Seveas, yes!  That was the problem, thank you.
[01:54] <lordfreak> Seveas Zukalk Thakyou very much... my fonts now are Nice
[01:54] <lordfreak> :****
[01:54] <zukalk> lordfreak, anytime
[01:54] <sataere> Seveas, Hmm...dma is enabled, but it's still giving the massive slow down.  That was the problem under gentoo though, thanks.  :)
[01:55] <v1ru5> any ideas why my logitech USB mouse doesn't work in ubuntu? (i figure logitech USB mouses are pretty popular and should be supported?) .. and also why doesn't it load the desktop properly? i mean, after i login and give the password all it does is idle with only mouse cursor on the screen, and nothing else.
[01:55] <v1ru5> doesn't load anything etc
[01:56] <zukalk> Seveas, is there something you can apt-get to have those kde GUI theme in qtconfig? i only have them 'cause i once did a apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, which gives a hard time removing..
[01:56] <skyhawker> is there an easy way of finding all my ntfs partitions and mounting them...I forgot to check the changes I made to whatever file it was before I switched to 32-bit
[01:56] <v1ru5> and btw, when my system boots, after the line "starting ubuntu" comes in, there's like 60 sec lag before it really starts to load the system
[01:57] <thoreauputic> skyhawker: type  sudo fdisk -l I guess
[01:57] <Jugan> help me please...i want to install mplayer
[01:57] <sataere> Seveas, do you think the slowdown could be an option missing from fstab?
[01:57] <Jugan> help me please...i want to install mplayer
[01:57] <thoreauputic> Jugan: look at ubotu 's URL below
[01:57] <thoreauputic> !multimedia
[01:57] <ubotu> [multimedia]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[01:58] <skyhawker> thoreauputic, can I automatically mount them somehow...maybe with the labels they had in wondows *hope* :)
[01:59] <thoreauputic> Jugan: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingMultimediaRepositories  (mplayer is in multiverse)
[01:59] <sataere> Would dd if=/dev/hda of=mbr.backup bs=256 count=1 copy my mbr record?
[01:59] <cyphase> has anyone gotten the Philips HDD120 Recording Audio Jukebox to work on ubuntu?
[01:59] <cyphase> my cousin is having problems..
[01:59] <thoreauputic> skyhawker: you might need to add them to /etc/fstab
[02:00] <Seveas> sataere, only if you run it as root :)
[02:00] <sataere> Seveas, of course.
[02:00] <sataere> Seveas, :P
[02:00] <thoreauputic> Seveas: isn't it bs=512 ?
[02:00] <sataere> thoreauputic, is it?
[02:00] <sataere> thoreauputic, that was the part I was unsure about.  :(
[02:00] <thoreauputic> sataere: I'm not sure, but I think so
[02:00] <Seveas> thoreauputic, correct, missed that
[02:01] <sataere> Seveas, thoreauputic alrighty, fixed.
[02:01] <v1ru5> i'm getting ignored here :(
[02:01] <thoreauputic> sataere: :)
[02:01] <DerGraf> hi all
[02:02] <skyhawker> thoreauputic, what would I put under <optioins> in the /etc/fstab
[02:03] <Seveas> v1ru5, about the not logging in: stop using GUI programs as root and delete ~/.Xauthority and ~/.ICEauthority
[02:03] <skyhawker> thoreauputic, for NTFS parts that is
[02:03] <sataere> v1ru5, I had a problem with metacity where it wouldn't load anything right away either.  Problem with a corrupt saved state, I think.  I let it run for about 20 minutes, and eventually it fixed itself, and once it loaded right I just saved that state and it worked fine from there.  :)
[02:03] <thoreauputic> skyhawker: something like   noauto,ro,user,umask=022 0 0
[02:04] <skyhawker> thoreauputic, so it can only be read only?
[02:04] <Seveas> skyhawker: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[02:04] <thoreauputic> skyhawker: ntfs is read only , yes
[02:04] <Seveas> skyhawker, and yes, writing to ntfs is not possible. Blame MS for making it proprietary
[02:05] <sataere> skyhawker, the option "ro" makes it "Read Only" hence r.o.
[02:05] <sataere> skyhawker, I think.  O.o;;
[02:05] <skyhawker> Seveas, lol thanks
[02:05] <skyhawker> sataere, true it does
[02:05] <skyhawker> thoreauputic, thanks
[02:05] <thoreauputic> skyhawker: no problem
[02:05] <thoreauputic> :0
[02:05] <thoreauputic> oops
[02:05] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:06] <sataere> :P
[02:06] <sataere> ;)
[02:06] <Seveas> even is you mount an ntfs drive with rw you cannot write to it :)
[02:06] <v1ru5> Seveas: so those .xauthority and .iceauthority are @ the / ?? e.g. /.iceauthoerity?
[02:06] <cyphase> nvm, she didn't notice the removable storage icon on the desktop
[02:06] <cyphase> *sigh*
[02:06] <Seveas> v1ru5, no in your homedir
[02:07] <v1ru5> sataere: ok i'll try running it for a while..
[02:07] <Seveas> and it's .Xauthority and .ICEauthority (filenames are case sensitive)
[02:07] <v1ru5> Seveas: and i didn't run the GUI as root
[02:07] <sataere> Seveas, I thought there were ways to write to it.  In fact at one point I had to help my friend get around NT security by loading a linux on a floppy, and using a program to reset the administrator password.
[02:07] <thoreauputic> skyhawker: if you want it to mount on boot substitute auto for noauto
[02:07] <skyhawker> fair enough...by the way do I have to copy/paste that winmac_fstab file contents, or can I download it somehow. and how do I run it...
[02:08] <Seveas> sataere, there is captive ntfs but it's unmaintained and simply not good enough anymore
[02:08] <Jugan> help me please...i want to install mplayer <[02:08] <sataere> Seveas, I see.
[02:09] <sataere> Jugan, don't install the package!!!  Compile your own copy.
[02:09] <Seveas> Jugan, there is no mplayer for warty anymore
[02:09] <Seveas> sataere, nonsense...
[02:09] <thoreauputic> skyhawker: it's a script - you need to make it executable or use sh <scriptname>
[02:09] <skyhawker> Also, what's the best anti-virus around at the moment..
[02:10] <sataere> Seveas, nonsense?  Compiling your own copy, you can include all the codecs that ubuntu is uncomfortable with.
[02:10] <Seveas> skyhawker, wget http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab && sudo bash winmac_fstab
[02:10] <hondje> skyhawker: You do know that there's no such thing as a linux virus, right? :)
[02:10] <v1ru5> ?
[02:10] <Jugan> sataere, ill try, but how about dependencies?
[02:10] <hondje> clam-av seems to be popular these days, though
[02:10] <v1ru5> no viruses for linux?
[02:10] <Seveas> sataere, you don't need to compile it yourself to use codecs...
[02:10] <v1ru5> THAT IS SHIT
[02:10] <skyhawker> thoreauputic, oh ok, but I click the link there, and it shows it to me in firefox...do I copy it into my own file, or is there a download option in firefox that I just haven't looked for yet..
[02:10] <thoreauputic> skyhawker: you don't need it unless you are laundering mail for a windows network/nox
[02:10] <v1ru5> THERE ARE VIRUSES FOR LINUX
[02:10] <Seveas> v1ru5, stop shouting...
[02:10] <v1ru5> ok
[02:10] <v1ru5> sorry
[02:10] <hondje> Where?
[02:10] <Jugan> Seveas, really?  So how do I play mpegs?
[02:11] <thoreauputic> skyhawker: it's text - just right click and "save as"
[02:11] <hondje> There are rootkits, but no viruses
[02:11] <Seveas> Jugan, you can download codecs from mplayerhq.hu
[02:11] <bob2> v1ru5: please name one virus in the wild that has affected users in the past 5 years
[02:11] <sataere> Seveas, as far as I know the instructions are to download the million and three codecs before you compile mplayer, so it can link to them.
[02:11] <Seveas> Jugan, or the w32codecs package from the backports repo
[02:11] <skyhawker> thoreauputic, ok I got ...I feel really stupid now :)
[02:11] <Seveas> sataere, that is not trye
[02:11] <Seveas> true*
[02:11] <Geoffrian> Does anyone know how to setup Dell printers???
[02:12] <v1ru5> bob2: bliss?
[02:12] <sataere> bob2, There have been viruses for linux, they just can't do much with the security as it is.
[02:12] <bob2> v1ru5: url to media coverage of it affecting users?
[02:12] <skyhawker> and when I run this file, will these mounts be availavble on startup?
[02:12] <sataere> Seveas, I may be mistaken.
[02:12] <bob2> sataere: I know how viruses and linux work
[02:12] <v1ru5> hey, can i give someone a remote access to my box so they could fix it?
[02:13] <bob2> v1ru5: no
[02:13] <v1ru5> o_O
[02:13] <bob2> do not ask for that in here
[02:13] <Seveas> v1ru5, install openssh-server and give someone an account :)
[02:13] <Jugan> Seveas but you told me there\'s no mplayer in warty
[02:13] <thoreauputic> v1ru5: you worry about viruses but are willing to give strangers root on your machine??
[02:13] <Seveas> Jugan, there used to be one when debian sarge was not released.
[02:13] <v1ru5> using windows XP now..
[02:13] <bob2> giving strangers root access on your machine is highly highly silly
[02:13] <Hajuu> Hey uhm.. I've been trying to follow the ubuntu wiki guide for fixing an ubuntu install after you've installed windows. Anyone familiar with this?
[02:13] <v1ru5> coz your crap ubuntu won't work
[02:13] <v1ru5> it can't be because of user error
[02:14] <sataere> bob2, Sorry, didn't mean to offend.  :(
[02:14] <leroj> hello guys
[02:14] <v1ru5> as i've installed it for about 20 times with diff. options
[02:14] <qt2> ah, finally bacports got the newest gaim ;)
[02:14] <bob2> v1ru5: please stop being silly
[02:14] <Seveas> v1ru5, that's because you made an error. The thing that happened to you is not Ubuntus fault...
[02:14] <leroj> how would i remove kubuntu?
[02:14] <Seveas> leroj, what do you wnat instead?
[02:14] <v1ru5> bob2: sorry, but i am really, really really, REALLY FUCKING PISSED here.
[02:14] <bob2> v1ru5: that's awesome, but don't take it out on us
[02:14] <qt2> amd the new sun stuff \o/ ;)
[02:14] <leroj> i installed kubuntu on top of ubuntu
[02:14] <bob2> v1ru5: go and have a cup of tea or go for a walk or something
[02:14] <Seveas> v1ru5, go and be frustrated somewhere else, this is a help channel and we don't need the noise
[02:14] <qt2> ande ven the new k3b \o/
[02:14] <qt2> busy day, eh ;)
[02:14] <v1ru5> Seveas: all i did was installed it and started my machine. now where did i make the error? on the machine starting part?
[02:15] <leroj> i don't want it anymore
[02:15] <Seveas> leroj, use debfoster to prune kubuntu-desktop
[02:15] <bob2> Hajuu: best to just ask about the bit you're having trouble with
[02:15] <thenuke> and bliss is from -97 :) I bet that it havent affected anyone in past 5 years
[02:15] <Seveas> v1ru5, no during install you must have done something funky...
[02:15] <v1ru5> i would just want my linux to work, but the install doesn't work properly, at least on this machine.
[02:15] <v1ru5> Seveas: no i didn't.
[02:15] <sataere> Seveas, http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML-single/en/MPlayer.html#id2823089 please note under win32, "put the codecs in /usr/local/lib/codecs  BEFORE compiling MPlayer, otherwise no Win32 support will be compiled"
[02:15] <v1ru5> and that's what's so bitchy about it
[02:15] <leroj> debfoster?
[02:15] <v1ru5> coz i knew i didn't do anything wrong
[02:16] <Seveas> v1ru5, then your error report is bullshit, you should have said that during install funky things happened...
[02:16] <v1ru5> and it doesn't work
[02:16] <bob2> you "knew"? how?
[02:16] <ubuntudigger> i have finaly found a correct driver for my printer, downloaded to my desktop, but when i try to install my new driver in printer driver , it says: can only install ppd files an my driver is not an ppd
[02:16] <bob2> 9/10 times install problems are bad cds
[02:16] <thenuke> whoa :D bliss had commandline option --bliss-uninfect-files-please  which worked :D
[02:16] <Seveas> leroj, it's a program you run from the terminal. read its manpage for more info (package debfoster)
[02:16] <v1ru5> because you can't do much errors in the default install .. or at least i didn't
[02:16] <bob2> v1ru5: have you verified the cd yet?
[02:16] <thoreauputic> sataere: but there's no need for that since mplayer is available in the multiverse repo and w32codecs from hoary extras
[02:16] <Seveas> v1ru5, you can do a lot wrong in the default install...
[02:16] <v1ru5> nah
[02:17] <Seveas> like not verifying the cd...
[02:17] <bob2> v1ru5: then go do that before whinging
[02:17] <bob2> usually that's the problem
[02:17] <v1ru5> yeah well, i tried to verify it, but ubuntu doesn't detect the cd's @ cdrom
[02:17] <v1ru5> :/
[02:17] <Seveas> you can verify it under windows...
[02:17] <v1ru5> can i do it from windoz?
[02:17] <v1ru5> how?
[02:17] <Seveas> verify the iso before burnign it and the cd after burning it
[02:18] <Seveas> v1ru5, download the MD5SUMS from releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ and use an md5sum checker
[02:18] <Seveas> (search download.com for one)
[02:18] <sataere> thoreauputic, perhaps, but last time I installed it (admittedly a long time ago) it refused to work.  And the point is, the codecs are necessary before compiling to work, contrary to Seveas
[02:18] <Hajuu> bob2: Well the problem is that when I try to reinstall grub as my boot manager by running grub and typing "root (hd0,2)" then it says something about how it cannot mount the filesystem or something.. And im not sure why. Running grub-install /dev/hda results in more or less the same result.
[02:18] <ubuntudigger> the drivers named: brscan-0.0.12-0.i386.deb,
[02:18] <lsuactiafner> md5sum -c input_file
[02:18] <lsuactiafner> ?
[02:18] <lsuactiafner> heh windows..
[02:18] <lsuactiafner> teh suck
[02:19] <bob2> Hajuu: paste the output from grub-install to #flood
[02:19] <Seveas> sataere, bullshit, codecs are loaded dynamically...
[02:19] <thoreauputic> sataere: well, i haven't compiled it - i use the Ubuntu package
[02:19] <lsuactiafner> just compile the mplayer cvs like i'm doing atm..
[02:19] <Seveas> and mplayer on ubuntu is compiled withou having any codecs nearby...
[02:20] <exhu> I have trouble setting up the network :(
[02:20] <lsuactiafner> got a script that runs every few hours..
[02:20] <ubuntudigger> i cant get my printer to work, please help me
[02:20] <v1ru5> Seveas: umm. i cannot check the iso sum, coz i have it at my place, which is 350km's away from this place.. does it help if i just check the cd's md5?
[02:20] <lsuactiafner> i dont have a printer.. that sucks more.
[02:20] <Seveas> v1ru5, sure
[02:20] <thoreauputic> sataere: BTW the directory for w32codecs codecs in ubuntu is /usr/lib/win32
[02:20] <Hajuu> I can't because I'm on windows. I'm using a live cd to work from cause' I am unable to boot to ubuntu (Thats what i'm trying to fix) and I have no internet access from there.
[02:20] <Whistler> i have Huge Question.Whats the difference between linux and unix?
[02:21] <lsuactiafner> and that doesnt make sense @ all
[02:21] <lsuactiafner> shoudl be under /usr/local/lib/codecs
[02:21] <exhu> the ubuntu machine got IP: 192.168.44.2, another (windows) machine got ip: 192.168.44.1.  When I type ping 192.168.44.2 from Windows host, it says 6 packets sent/received ok. But linux host doesn't see this Windows machine's IP. What's the problem?
[02:21] <sataere> Seveas, please view comment: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML-single/en/MPlayer.html#id2823089
[02:21] <ubuntudigger> how can i install a new driver in ubuntu
[02:21] <lsuactiafner> windwos firewall..
[02:21] <Seveas> Whistler, unix is an OS created by AT&T and a registered trademark. Linux is a kernel created by Linus Torvalds that aims to be compatible with Unix
[02:21] <bob2> ubuntudigger: it's fairly unlikely that you need this
[02:22] <bob2> ubuntudigger: you're sure the ubuntu printer driver set doesn't do your printer?
[02:22] <Whistler> thx
[02:22] <lsuactiafner> exhu : disable the windows firewall or put the linux pc on trusted.
[02:22] <hondje> I'm still confused on that...cups and sane are drivers, usbstore is a module, right?
[02:22] <lsuactiafner> windows created a broken tcp/ip stack also to be more 'secure' tho bsd and linux implements it and they are secure.
[02:22] <ubuntudigger> yes, i am sure cant find the proper driver in the system
[02:22] <bob2> usbstore is a kernel module, I'd guess
[02:22] <exhu> lsuactiafner, thanks.
[02:22] <bob2> which is in some sense a driver
[02:22] <Seveas> sataere, so funny: why does the ubuntu package works *perfectly* without having ubuntu codecs anywhere near while being compiled....
[02:23] <bob2> printers don't need to be handles by the kernel, though
[02:23] <skyhawker> why don't most things add themselves to the menus when they are installed...
[02:23] <chrissturm> hmm, is it a bug that i can open one file multiple times in gedit? or is that *by design* ?
[02:23] <suldal> what do I have to do to be able to play dvd's?
[02:23] <suldal> The dvd player plays averything but dvd's
[02:23] <Seveas> sataere, probably because ubuntu devs are smart enough to edit compile-time flags....
[02:23] <bob2> suldal: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:23] <sataere> Seveas, no idea.  O.o  I'm just going on what the site says.
[02:23] <lsuactiafner> skyhawker : because its annoyin as hell to have a clutered menu.
[02:23] <ubuntudigger> are using a brother d printer, called DCP4020C in a local wireless home network
[02:23] <vinboy> does ubuntu use gnome 2?
[02:24] <hondje> vinboy: 2.10
[02:24] <skyhawker> lsuactiafner, I know, but I never know where to look after I install something..
[02:24] <bob2> vinboy: 2.10, yes
[02:24] <vinboy> thanks
[02:24] <Seveas> chrissturm, by design
[02:24] <ubuntudigger> found the correct driver for linux at brother.no
[02:24] <thoreauputic> skyhawker:  dpkg -L <packagename> | grep bin
[02:24] <sataere> Seveas, probably so.  I was never debating that, just that for compilation one needs the codecs pre-installed, according to mplayer.
[02:24] <v1ru5> Seveas: lol
[02:24] <v1ru5> sorry bob2 and Seveas, you were right all along
[02:24] <lsuactiafner> skyhawker : open a terminal and type in the name of the program you installed whilest pressing tab after every second letter you type in
[02:24] <v1ru5> the md5 is busted
[02:25] <Seveas> v1ru5, before trying to burn it again: check the md5sum of the iso
[02:25] <lsuactiafner> where does gnome store menu entries btw?
[02:25] <thoreauputic> lsuactiafner: I think my solution is less trouble ;-)
[02:25] <Seveas> and burn it at low speed (like 4x)
[02:25] <v1ru5> Seveas: so redownload..
[02:25] <v1ru5> ok
[02:25] <lsuactiafner> thoreauputic : yeh
[02:25] <Geoffrian> Can anyone help me get a Dell printer running in Ubuntu??
[02:25] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, slocate .desktop
[02:25] <lsuactiafner> mine is easier to remember
[02:26] <lsuactiafner> bbl
[02:26] <chrissturm> seveas: is the rationale documented somewhere. looks like an evil bug to me. i can open one file two times, make vchanges to one version, save it, the otther buffer still has the old version.
[02:26] <ubuntudigger> but dont know how to install it properly, gets this message, can only install files whith .ppd
[02:27] <hondje> chrissturm: that's a feature
[02:27] <chrissturm> a feature in the IBM sense of it?
[02:27] <Delgul> ping 192.168.0.145
[02:27] <Delgul> oops :-)
[02:28] <chrissturm> hondje: its not how anyone would expect a texteditor to act
[02:28] <lsuactiafner> chrissturm : feature since i open a file, edit it, run changes, if broken i revert to my buffered copy
[02:28] <leroj> eek my banana
[02:28] <hondje> chrissturm: it's just the way unix works, so IBM way is exactly it :)
[02:28] <squareyes> evening all,   totem-xine loses sound randomly on all vidoe formats,   sudo killall esd fixes it, any ideas as to why this happens.
[02:28] <Seveas> chrissturm, I for one consider it to be a bug, but it is a feature, search domewher on the gedit site...
[02:28] <sataere> Wow, my first test for mplayer and mplayerplug-in packages: it crashes firefox.
[02:28] <lsuactiafner> squareyes : heard ubuntu had broken ac52 package..
[02:28] <chrissturm> hondje: that has nothing to do with how unix works. no text editor works that way
[02:28] <chrissturm> seveas: thx
[02:29] <lsuactiafner> squareyes : but i think you should run mplayer instead
[02:29] <lsuactiafner> mplayer -ao alsa
[02:29] <thoreauputic> squareyes: because esd is pure evil ;-)
[02:29] <bob2> squareyes: configure xine to used esd
[02:29] <lsuactiafner> chrissturm : all text editors work like that in unix
[02:29] <lsuactiafner> chrissturm : and we prefer it like this.
[02:29] <chrissturm> lsuactiafner: you = "the unix people"
[02:29] <squareyes> thanks lsuactiafner and bob2
[02:30] <hondje> "the kool-aide drinkers"
[02:30] <chrissturm> it still is a bug
[02:30] <chrissturm> i dont think kate works that way, i know jedit doesnt do it
[02:30] <bob2> I'd be annoyed if I could only open a file once in a text editor
[02:30] <lsuactiafner> chrissturm : not a bug, its a feature.
[02:30] <bob2> I edit the same file in multiple emacs buffers all the time
[02:30] <hondje> Then they're using lockfiles or something silly, vi has always done that
[02:30] <bob2> nuking changes is pretty dumb, tho, so that's a bug
[02:30] <hondje> not lockfiles, allowd you to open it twice
[02:31] <drummer87> but you open one file, edit it then find it in an older state later back in the tabs
[02:31] <ubuntudigger> isnt there anyone that can help me whith my printer problem
[02:31] <drummer87> can be quite confusing at times
[02:31] <lsuactiafner> chrissturm : i sometimes open 1 file in 5 consoles and commit changes in one console while browsin up and down the file lookin @ prior revisions
[02:31] <hondje> drummer87: it can be, I agree
[02:31] <hondje> But it's not something that anyone is ever going to change
[02:32] <hondje> well, maybe in gedit, but it's an application thing, they're just doing what unix says is okay
[02:32] <drummer87> no, one just has to remember what they're working on better
[02:32] <drummer87> and not be so forgettful
[02:32] <lsuactiafner> i'd rather nuke changes than nuke my backups
[02:32] <chrissturm> hondje: unix has no "opinion" how a text editor should work
[02:33] <lsuactiafner> joe does read the last modified time and warns the user that the current file is newer than the buffered file
[02:33] <hondje> Of course it doesn't have an actual opinion, learn colloquial english
[02:34] <thoreauputic> chrissturm: unix people, on the other hand, have *strong* opinions on the subject :D
[02:34] <hondje> the operating system isn't going to say 'dont' do that', it's up to the application, and most people making unix text editors prefer it works normallly
[02:34] <chrissturm> hondje: nedit is around much longer than gedit and it doenst open a file more than once
[02:34] <oliwer> hi all
[02:34] <bob2> killing changes is dumb
[02:34] <lsuactiafner> bleh use joe screw vi ect
[02:35] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : killin backups is worse
[02:35] <hondje> 'most'
[02:35] <lsuactiafner> buffered backups rock.
[02:35] <bob2> yes, as is setting pets on fire
[02:35] <chrissturm> thoreauputic: yeah, i figured it out already ;)
[02:35] <oliwer> Nedit is great :p
[02:35] <bob2> chrissturm: you can file a bug on bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:35] <bob2> I'd sugfgest "enhancement" severity
[02:35] <lsuactiafner> changes you can redo, backups aint repalable.
[02:35] <nikkia> seveas, actually, these days, unix is a set of specifications for a standard posix based system :)
[02:35] <bob2> lsuactiafner: that's why you should use revision control for everything
[02:35] <hondje> I thought unix was a name you get when you pay someone money
[02:35] <hondje> :)
[02:36] <nikkia> hondje: yeah, AND you meet the set of specifications
[02:36] <ubuntudigger> no one is answering,really need help, if i dont get my printer to work i have to install windows again, and i dont really want that
[02:36] <lsuactiafner> unix dork is the name you get for debating howto commit changes.
[02:36] <bob2> ubuntudigger: try asking on the ubuntu-user list, it seems no one here knows the answer to your question
[02:37] <oliwer> ubuntudigger> what is your printer anyway ?
[02:37] <sorush20> is there anything like scan disk available fo ubuntu,
[02:37] <nikkia> ubuntudigger, do you have bluez installed?
[02:37] <ubuntudigger> brother d, dcp-4020c
[02:37] <bob2> sorush20: no need, usually; if there's a problem, fsck will run automatically
[02:38] <bob2> unless it's reiser, then you lose
[02:38] <ubuntudigger> nikkia: i dont know
[02:38] <hondje> unix permissions are pretty stupid too
[02:38] <bob2> hondje: how so?
[02:38] <Seveas> nikkia, POSIX is the set of specifications...
[02:38] <hondje> not much fine tuning
[02:38] <Seveas> nikkia, UNIX still is the At&T trademark
[02:38] <nikkia> seveas, there is a further set of specs that define UNIX compliance
[02:38] <bob2> hondje: right, but acls are way more complicated
[02:38] <chrissturm> is there a good programmers editor for gnome?
[02:39] <nikkia> seveas, no, 'UNIX' these days has little to do with AT&T, it is a name you can attach to your OS if you meet the UNIXxx specs
[02:39] <hondje> yeah, first time I tried to impliment them I died
[02:39] <Seveas> nikkia, there are more specification sets, but none is called UNIX
[02:39] <bob2> hondje: unix permissions are very simple to use and manage.  if you do need some thing more complicated, tho, you can use unix acls.
[02:39] <thoreauputic> Seveas: afaik UNIX is a trademark of the Open Group
[02:39] <lsuactiafner> sorush20 : every 20 reboots fsck/scandisk runs.. but if you kill the power to your pc linux runs a fsck in the background and ou dont notice or wait for it
[02:39] <Seveas> thoreauputic, ah true, it's been transferred
[02:39] <lsuactiafner> and DO NOT run fsck on your own
[02:39] <hondje> bob2: I know about (and have used) acls, but it seems to me that there 'should' be some sort of medium
[02:39] <bob2> chrissturm: most FS programmers I know use vim or emacs
[02:39] <lsuactiafner> or you kill your disk easily..
[02:39] <MonsieurBon> hello
[02:39] <nikkia> Seveas: TOG made it so that anyone can apply to call their system 'UNIX'
[02:39] <Seveas> and there is the 'Singel Unix Specification' that is sort of an extended posix
[02:40] <bob2> and SUS is freely avilable, unlike POSIX
[02:40] <nikkia> Seveas: basically, you need to adhere to to the specifications for the UNX95/2000 whatever specs
[02:40] <sexcopter8000m> hi, i'm in windows at the mo. i had an empty ntfs partition, have deleted it and want to make it fat so i can share files between ubuntu and windows, but when i go through the format process, ntfs is the only option. can anyone help?
[02:40] <Seveas> nikkia, ah, url to more info please :)
[02:40] <bob2> sexcopter8000m: you might be better off just formatting it from ubuntu then
[02:40] <nikkia> seveas, its on TOG's website somewhere, i forget the URL
[02:40] <chrissturm> bob2: i was thinking more in the direction of something like kdevelop
[02:40] <nikkia> seveas, there was talk about IBM paying for linux to be UNIX2000 certified
[02:40] <sorush20> guys a number of times I have had to reinstall Ubuntu due to an error that occurs and an scan process starts but terminates and is unable to fix anything... It searches for nodes and it returns that it can not be read and do you want to force overwrite... this goes on for ever... does any one have any suggestions if this happens again...
[02:40] <bob2> chrissturm: there's monodevelop, but it's only for C#
[02:40] <bob2> eclipse is apparently nice for Java
[02:40] <oliwer> ubuntudigger> http://www.linuxprinting.org/pipermail/brother-list/2004q4/000839.html
[02:41] <hondje> I like qtdeveloper thingie, a child can make an app with that :)
[02:41] <Seveas> bob2, for python too
[02:41] <sexcopter8000m> ok, if i boot into ubuntu now, i'll brb and then someone can kindly point me in the right direction :)
[02:41] <lsuactiafner> sorush20 : runs ext3
[02:41] <lsuactiafner> not ext2
[02:41] <Seveas> hondje, and that's exactly what happend: kiddies writing KDE crap
[02:41] <Seveas> :0
[02:41] <Seveas> ;)
[02:41] <bob2> sorush20: why are you having so much disk corruption?
[02:41] <MonsieurBon> I want to do the following: There are 1295 files in a directory, I'd like to download with wget. Can I use a for-thing to do that? or do I have to download all the files manually? the files are named 1.txt to 1295.txt
[02:41] <lsuactiafner> and learn fsck -a -y /dev/bleh next time youhave an ext2 error
[02:41] <nikkia> seveas, when IBM has finally killed AIX, they will probably want to be able to claim their linux systems as 'UNIX[tm] ' so it would make sense for them to do it
[02:41] <lsuactiafner> MonsieurBon : i'll paste you a line to do that
[02:42] <sorush20> bob2 I don't have any when windows is running...
[02:42] <hondje> Seveas: that's a good thing in my book
[02:42] <oliwer> monsieurBon ?
[02:42] <hondje> more crap the merrier, people like crap :)
[02:42] <bob2> sorush20: are you just turning your computer off without shutting down or something?
[02:43] <hondje> once you get a kid writing nonsense like I do with qtdeveloper, they're more likely to stick around making linux apps, that can only be good
[02:43] <nikkia> Seveas: http://www.theopengroup.org/certification/unix-home.html
[02:43] <sorush20> no.. its been left on and after a few hours it  seems to happen... and I don't know what has happend... or anything..
[02:43] <sorush20> bob2,
[02:43] <nikkia> seveas, basically, you pays yer money, you makes yer OS adhere to the 'single unix specification' and you get to call it UNIX :)
[02:44] <sorush20> does any one here have an antivirus running...
[02:44] <Seveas> nikkia, I see
[02:44] <bob2> you don't need antivirus software on ubuntu
[02:44] <leroj> woo
[02:44] <nikkia> seveas, interestingly, i note there is a 'UNIX03' now
[02:44] <sorush20> okay... how about firewall..
[02:44] <thoreauputic> nikkia: I expect IBM will wait until the lawyers have wiped the floor with SCO ;)
[02:44] <bob2> sorush20: so, what exactly is happening to your system?
[02:44] <bob2> sorush20: it just randomly crashes?
[02:44] <nikkia> thoreauputic: probably
[02:44] <oliwer> guarddog is a nice firewall
[02:45] <nikkia> thoreauputic: it also makes no real sense until they fully drop AIX - they still sell it on a few systems
[02:45] <thoreauputic> nikkia: indeed
[02:45] <hondje> I never knew they were going to drop it :(
[02:46] <nikkia> hondje: they've been saying they're going to drop it for about 5 years now :)
[02:46] <sorush20> bob2, yes.. it seems to randomly crash and all I see is the boot loader failing... it seems to be scanning the disk... then it fails and asks me to scan manually with the command fsck, I do this and it finds unreadable nodes and just keeps on prompting me to force overwrite..
[02:46] <hondje> shows how much I pay attention :)
[02:46] <bob2> sorush20: no, back up
[02:46] <bob2> sorush20: why is this happening to begin with?
[02:46] <thoreauputic> hondje: "You don't need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows"
[02:46] <bob2> sorush20: it runs fine, and sometimes just spontaneously reboots?
[02:46] <nikkia> hondje: basically, each time they get linux supporting some feature X that their big iron supports, they drop AIX a little more from the product lineup
[02:46] <sexcopter8000m> hi again. so, what should i use to partition?
[02:47] <hondje> that's a shame, AIX is nice
[02:47] <bob2> sexcopter8000m: didn't you want to format an existing partition?
[02:47] <hondje> easy enough that even I can use it
[02:47] <sorush20> bob2, I have never actually been around the computer to see what happens but guessing form the fact that the boot is recuuring I would say yes...
[02:47] <bob2> that's screwed up, you need to fix that first
[02:48] <sexcopter8000m> well, it was a logical drive on an extended partition, so i wondered if that restricted it to ntfs, so i deleted it and it made no difference
[02:48] <ablyss> good day all
[02:48] <bob2> sexcopter8000m: er, you've made this a lot more complicated now
[02:48] <sexcopter8000m> basically as it was, i had an 80gig hdd, split in 2. first half was a primary partition with windows on, second was an extended partition with a logical doobery
[02:48] <sexcopter8000m> oh =(
[02:49] <sexcopter8000m> well i can go back and make a partition in windows, under ntfs
[02:49] <bob2> that might be easier
[02:49] <bob2> tho it's not hard under ubuntu, either
[02:49] <sexcopter8000m> is it ok to make it a primary partition?
[02:49] <Nard> how do i join a winxp work group
[02:49] <sexcopter8000m> windows says you can have up to 4
[02:49] <bob2> that's fine
[02:49] <bob2> Nard: what do you want to do in it?
[02:49] <sexcopter8000m> ok, back soon! :)
[02:49] <Seveas> Nard, by installing samba...
[02:50] <Nard> bob2, i want to transfer files from one to another
[02:50] <Seveas> but you don't need to install samba if you want to access shared folders on a windows system
[02:50] <Nard> is there a better way then what i was thinking
[02:50] <bob2> then just use nautilus
[02:50] <Nard> but it won't reconize the other computers
[02:50] <Aladdin--> hi guys :)
[02:52] <dim> anybody knows about how I can see a Windows partition with Linux?
[02:52] <Nard> bob2, this is what i have set up
[02:52] <bob2> dim: www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:52] <Nard> i have 2 computers on a workgroup
[02:53] <Nard> and this third linux box isnt' on it
[02:53] <nikkia> Seveas: harsh ban
[02:53] <dim> thanks, bob2
[02:53] <Seveas> dim: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[02:53] <Aladdin--> Could somebody give me the comand line to mount an VFAT volume with read/write permissions to all users .
[02:53] <nikkia> Seveas: a LOT of uk users are on pol.co.uk
[02:53] <Seveas> Aladdin--, see my last line :)
[02:53] <Seveas> nikkia, i'll remove it in 5 minutes :)
[02:53] <hondje> a metric lot
[02:54] <Aladdin--> Seveas, thx but I prefer to do it manually for now (running live cd)
[02:55] <Seveas> Aladdin--, mount -t vfat /dev/yourdrive /path/to/mountpoint -o user,umask=0000
[02:55] <Aladdin--> sean13_,  thx alot :o)
[02:55] <Aladdin--> oups
[02:55] <Aladdin--> Seveas, thx alot
[02:56] <Seveas> stupid server puts all bans back that I removed the past days...
[02:56] <HWolf> Seveas, that looked like you went on a banning spree. :)
[02:56] <Seveas> HWolf, unbanning :)
[02:57] <HWolf> Seveas: aware of that, but someone had to ban them first. ;)
[02:57] <Seveas> HWolf, those were collected bans from late june - early july
[02:57] <ablyss> +b *!*@* << harsh ban :P
[02:57] <Seveas> crappy server put them back after I removed them
[02:57] <sexcopter8000m> hi there, ok the drive is formatted as a primary partition in ntfs. now in ubuntu can i just reformat it to use fat?
[02:58] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, sure
[02:58] <Seveas> mkfs.vfat /dev/your_ntfs_partition
[02:58] <sexcopter8000m> ok, and what's the command to view the list of partitions?
[02:58] <Seveas> sudo fdisk -l
[02:58] <sexcopter8000m> i don't want to guess wrong ;)
[02:59] <sexcopter8000m> though i guess it'll be sda2
[02:59] <ablyss> anyone seen the movie "The Island"  i saw it last night
[03:00] <ablyss> pretty good
[03:00] <peter_> anyone here have experience installing mono/xsp/mod_mono etc using atp get?
[03:00] <bob2> peter_: best to just ask about the problem you're having
[03:01] <peter_> i get the message" Depends: mono-jit (>= 1.1.7) but it is not going to be installed"
[03:01] <dim> seveas: i downloaded the script, but how do I run it? (i am learning linux ...)
[03:01] <peter_> i thought apt-get would install my dependencies automatically
[03:01] <Seveas> dim, sudo bash winmac_fstab (instructions are in the script too)
[03:01] <bob2> peter_: it will, if they're available
[03:01] <bob2> peter_: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[03:04] <bob2> peter_: don't use packages meant for Debian with Ubuntu
[03:04] <AlexBO> Hello! I don't know why, but it seems that i lost my login settings's program.How can i reinstall it?
[03:05] <sexcopter8000m> ok Seveas, it is sda2, so would i do "mkfs.vfat /dev/sda2"?
[03:05] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, correct
[03:05] <sexcopter8000m> do i have to sudo that? and just to check, will windows be able to read and write to "vfat"?
[03:05] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, yes and yes
[03:06] <sexcopter8000m> cool, fingers crossed!
[03:06] <Seveas> AlexBO, 'login settings program'?
[03:06] <AlexBO> Seveas: that program where i can set, for example, the image of login
[03:06] <Seveas> AlexBO, that would be gdmphotosetup
[03:07] <Seveas> sudo gdmsetup sets other tings
[03:07] <sexcopter8000m> hmm, the cursor's just flashing on the following line. should it take long?
[03:08] <sexcopter8000m> it doesn't seem to be "accessing" the disk
[03:08] <AlexBO> Seveas: I've disinstalled gdm!!!what have i done?!!!
[03:08] <Seveas> it takes a while...
[03:08] <Seveas> AlexBO, did you install kubuntu or ubuntu?
[03:08] <TD> how do I get static libraries on ubuntu?
[03:08] <TD> they don't seem to be in the -dev packages
[03:09] <Seveas> TD, be a bit more specific....
[03:09] <AlexBO> Seveas: i've ubuntu.i have installed gnome-audio and it have disinstalled my gdm
[03:09] <TD> Seveas: I need .a files for gtkmm
[03:09] <Seveas> AlexBO, odd...
[03:09] <TD> Seveas: on fedora, static archives are in the -devel packages which is what I need. but not on ubuntu
[03:09] <thelow> hello. is there someone i could address a newbie question_
[03:10] <sexcopter8000m> ok, think it's done. do i check by sudo fdisk -l?
[03:10] <Seveas> TD, why would you need static libgtkmm libraries..?
[03:10] <AlexBO> Seveas: where can i set the sounds?
[03:10] <sexcopter8000m> that still says ntfs...
[03:10] <leroj> secopter?
[03:10] <leroj> sexcopter
[03:10] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, yeah, you shouls change that with sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[03:10] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, yeah, you shouls change that with sudo cfdisk /dev/sda
[03:10] <TD> Seveas: that's a bit hard to explain right now
[03:10] <Seveas> the c is important
[03:10] <sexcopter8000m> leroj hello
[03:10] <TD> Seveas: suffice it to say, that they're often useful
[03:10] <Seveas> TD, dynamic libraries work just as fine with a good compiler and runtime system
[03:11] <Seveas> (such as what Ubuntu has)
[03:11] <TD> Seveas: do you know the answer to my question, or not?
[03:11] <Seveas> (unlike incompatibility heaven Crap Hat)
[03:11] <thelow> i need to find out how to activate the root account, in order to compile emacs
[03:11] <Seveas> TD, i'm searching for it
[03:11] <TD> and in this case, i need .a files so it's ubuntu that's being crap
[03:11] <TD> thanks
[03:11] <chibifs> sudo passwd?
[03:12] <chibifs> to thelow*
[03:12] <Seveas> thelow, you do NOT need a root account to compile emacs
[03:12] <marcin> hi all
[03:12] <Seveas> thelow, that is pure nonsense
[03:12] <thelow> ok. great
[03:12] <marcin> I installed mplayer on ubuntu hoary
[03:12] <chrissturm> is there anything i can do to fix breezy X keyboard problems?
[03:12] <mikul> hi
[03:12] <marcin> and I got a question - how to change font in gmplayer? this default one is too big
[03:12] <chibifs> chrissturm - What error are you getting?
[03:13] <Seveas> TD, libgtkmm-dev has /usr/lib/libgtkmm.a
[03:13] <Seveas> and .la and .so
[03:13] <thelow> i just got a @no cc in $path when trying to compile it
[03:13] <Seveas> TD, libgtkmm2.0-dev too
[03:13] <marcin> could someone help me with this? I also got simmilar problem with amule
[03:13] <chrissturm> chibifs: i have no national characters and the keyboard properties dialog segfaults
[03:13] <TD> hmmm
[03:13] <TD> that's odd
[03:13] <TD> i wonder why this guy thinks it doesn't
[03:13] <chibifs> Hmmmm :/
[03:14] <Seveas> TD, apt-file says it does
[03:14] <Seveas> apt-file is authoritative on that :)
[03:14] <sexcopter8000m> ok, i've got a list of filesystem types, can't see vfat though =(
[03:14] <TD> Seveas: what about libgtkmm2.4-dev?
[03:14] <bob2> apt-file isn't authorative
[03:14] <bob2> it depends on the Contents files on the mirrors
[03:14] <bob2> which are only regenerated occasionally
[03:15] <NowhereZ> does anybody have ALC 880 sound card working?
[03:15] <Seveas> bob2, true, but for Hoary it can be called authoritative
[03:15] <vader1102> bob2: I just ordered the cd for ubuntu web site, about how long for them to be shipped to Canada?
[03:15] <Seveas> TD, no such package
[03:15] <bob2> vader1102: give it a few weeks
[03:16] <TD> Seveas: hmm, really
[03:16] <bob2> it varies a lot
[03:16] <vader1102> k...thanx
[03:16] <Seveas> TD, ah, my mistake
[03:17] <TD> Seveas: there should be one .... gtkm2.4 isn't compatible with gtkmm2.0
[03:17] <Seveas> it's lingtkmm-2.4-dev :)
[03:17] <Seveas> lib*
[03:17] <TD> right
[03:17] <TD> does that have .a files in it?
[03:17] <Seveas> looking....
[03:17] <vader1102> bob2: found out why you said it appears my kernel was quite old...it is lol hense the reason for ordering the new one
[03:17] <Seveas> TD, just .la and .so
[03:17] <TD> Seveas: why would the different versions of gtkmm be different like that?
[03:18] <Seveas> TD, ENOIDEA
[03:18] <Seveas> read the cahngelogs ;)
[03:19] <sexcopter8000m> Seveas, sorry to keep pestering, but what do i want for vfat here? http://users.fission.org.uk/~sexcopter/filesystemtypes.png
[03:19] <TD> Seveas: can i read them on the web anywhere?
[03:19] <Seveas> TD, yes
[03:19] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, 0C
[03:19] <dim> seveas: any way I can WRITE smething to the mounted disk? I can now read my Windows partition, but can't write anything on it
[03:20] <bob2> you can't write to NTFS
[03:20] <dim> ok, thanks
[03:24] <sexcopter8000m> Thanks Seveas! Last thing, in fstab, will i put the type as vfat? or fat32?
[03:24] <bob2> vfat
[03:24] <sexcopter8000m> ok, cheers
[03:24] <Crembo> hey all! I've just downloaded and burned the Ubuntu combo installer+live+large fries DVD. after booting with it, how do I select which route to take? (currently, I'm a windows user with zero linux knowledge).
[03:25] <TD> Seveas: where?
[03:25] <Seveas> Crembo, when you boot from it, you select install-or-live
[03:25] <pcharky> Crembo: which route?
[03:25] <sexcopter8000m> i've only changed the ntfs to vfat in the line - now reads "/dev/sda2       /media/D        vfat    umask=0222      0       0". Ok?
[03:25] <Crembo> Live CD.
[03:25] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, ok
[03:25] <sexcopter8000m> cool :)
[03:25] <Seveas> TD, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/
[03:25] <sexcopter8000m> other people who know me know i'm often paranoid ;)
[03:26] <Crembo> I've been searching around the forums and documentation to figure out the exact series of steps I need to take in order to dual-boot with my XP. unfortunately, all I've come across so far was jumbled, not quite clear and/or conflicting.
[03:26] <TD> ta
[03:26] <LuNaTiK^GuY> any1 ever used kdevelop?
[03:26] <Crembo> at least they were all reassuringly titled "I tried this and it works perfectly!"
[03:26] <sexcopter8000m> ok, there may be slicker ways, but i'm going to reboot to see if it mounts ok, brb
[03:26] <bob2> Crembo: install ubuntu.  enjoy automatically setup dual-boot-ability.
[03:26] <pcharky> Crembo: Do you mean how you can boot the livecd?
[03:27] <pcharky> Crembo: Sorry, never mind.
[03:27] <Crembo> pcharky: yes. bob2: are you quite certain? I have a fairly unique setup in that there are already two partitions standing ready on my primary slave. I'm not even sure if they're primary or logical ones.
[03:28] <bob2> the primary slave has nothing to do with it
[03:28] <TD> Seveas: they seem incomplete. i can't find libgtkmm-2.4-dev on there
[03:28] <TD> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/libg/
[03:28] <TD> in fact even libgtk is missing
[03:28] <Crembo> the thing that made me uneasy was reading - repeatedly - that installing a linux bootloader where it belongs (the MBR) will royally bad_word my windows install.
[03:28] <bob2> presumably they're in g/gtk/
[03:28] <bob2> or g/gtk2.0/ or something
[03:28] <TD> oh, i see
[03:28] <TD> yeah
[03:28] <TD> not named consistently
[03:28] <bob2> Crembo: it will absolutely nuke the windows boot loaders and replace it with grub
[03:28] <bob2> grub will be setup with options to boot windows or ubuntu
[03:29] <pcharky> Crembo: You can boot windows from grub.
[03:29] <Crembo> hoary does all that automatically during install?
[03:29] <bob2> yes
[03:29] <pcharky> Crembo: Yup.
[03:29] <Seveas> TD, they are named after their source packages of course....
[03:29] <Crembo> I got the impression from the forums and wiki you had to do a complex series of steps to get it to work.
[03:29] <bob2> no
[03:29] <bob2> the forums people sometimes seem to enjoy making things ridiculously complicated
[03:29] <bob2> if grub doesn't come up with options for windows and ubuntu, you've found a bug
[03:30] <pcharky> Crembo: SO you want to install ubuntu.. right?
[03:30] <Crembo> as a matter of fact, this is the page that got me started on my journey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//WindowsDualBootHowTo
[03:31] <pcharky> Crembo: Because you started out asking a question about the livecd.
[03:31] <Crembo> pcharky: trying to learn linux, as part of the "onoes Longhorn DRM MS sucks better bail" bandwagon. not noble, but hey, it's something to tinker with in my free time.
[03:31] <Crembo> I was going to mess around with the live CD version first, to get a hang for it. then once I feel comfortable I could put it on my drive and test UT2k4 on it.
[03:31] <bob2> that "howto" is silly, unless you're unlucky and hit a bug
[03:31] <pcharky> Crembo: It doesn't get much nobler than linux...
[03:32] <sexcopter8000m> ok it works fine, just i don't have writing permissions (unless i sudo in console, i guess). How can i change this when i boot up?
[03:32] <Crembo> pcharky: the nobility inferred is that of the reason for switching. I actually like microsoft. their commitment to hebrew can't be beat.
[03:32] <Belutz> hai all....
[03:32] <Belutz> why there is no php5 package in synaptic?
[03:32] <Seveas> Crembo, dual boot with windows requires no special steps at all, it will be taken care off automatically
[03:33] <Dr_Melectaus> Is the help site with info on how to run games on ubuntu ubuntuguide.org
[03:33] <Crembo> that is exactly what I wanted to hear. time to dive in head first.
[03:33] <Seveas> Belutz, because hoary was released before there were php5 packages
[03:33] <Belutz> Seveas: ic... so why there's no update?
[03:33] <pcharky> Crembo: you could sign up as a translator ;-)
[03:33] <Seveas> Belutz, add tis to sources.list: deb http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5
[03:34] <Crembo> pcharky: I'm not sure I'd have the time. being in the army, I don't see home very often :/
[03:34] <Seveas> Belutz, add tis to sources.list: deb http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5 hoary
[03:34] <Belutz> Seveas: is it stable ?
[03:34] <bob2> oh, awesome, whoever edited that page left edit conflicts in there
[03:34] <Seveas> Belutz, it's what everybody uses for php5 :)
[03:34] <Dr_Melectaus> Is the help site with info on how to run games on ubuntu ubuntuguide.org
[03:34] <Belutz> Seveas: ok, thx a lot... :)
[03:34] <Seveas> Dr_Melectaus, please don't repeat...
[03:35] <Belutz> btw, is there already an update for Firefox and Thunderbird?
[03:35] <bob2> yes
[03:35] <Seveas> and ubuntuguide may have some gaming info, you can also search at wiki.ubuntu.com
[03:35] <bob2> but it was buggy
[03:35] <bob2> the unscrewed fix should be there soon
[03:35] <bob2> = days
[03:35] <konrad> Dr_Melectaus: on Ubuntu forums is sticked theard
[03:35] <Seveas> Belutz, the correct version is due monday
[03:35] <Belutz> Seveas: hoorayyyy :D
[03:36] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks konrad and Seveas
[03:36] <Seveas> Belutz, the second-to-last (aka still correct) debs can be found on seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/deb/ :)
[03:36] <acid2> Where can I find how to install Ati Dirvers in the wiki?
[03:36] <acid2> .ati
[03:36] <acid2> ,ati
[03:36] <acid2> hmmm :P
[03:36] <bob2> acid2: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:36] <Dr_Melectaus> acid, i think that ati drivers are allready supported
[03:36] <acid2> Thanks
[03:36] <bob2> which should be linked from the faq
[03:36] <pcharky> Got a little question here, I can't make more than 1 app play music with alsa (without esd). Can anybody help me?
[03:36] <Dr_Melectaus> what kind of card do you have acid?
[03:36] <Belutz> hoorayyyy alonso wins again!!!!
[03:36] <Seveas> pcharky, that's exactly what esd is for....
[03:37] <bob2> pcharky: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[03:37] <konrad> pcharky: use dmix, esd, artsd etc suck
[03:37] <ed1t> i have a fa32 paritititon mounted, but when i tried to copy folders in that drive, it said 'ommiting: directory_name'
[03:37] <Seveas> ed1t, cp -r
[03:37] <ed1t> ooo
[03:37] <ed1t> thx
[03:37] <pcharky> Seveas: I know, but it should be possible with alsa as well, and if i run esd it can't run ut with sound. (I like my own music on the background).
[03:38] <AlexBO> hello!when i login with gdm, i can see a little image with the text "Ubuntu" and there appear icons like nautilus, etc. then the sistem opens. can i change that image?
[03:38] <Seveas> pcharky, bob2 and konrad gave you the answer to that :)
[03:38] <Seveas> AlexBO: To change the Ubuntu splash screen, open the gconf-editor and change the key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash-image
[03:38] <pcharky> Oh, sorry! ;-)
[03:39] <acid2> Dr_Melectaus, radeon 9800
[03:39] <konrad> pcharky: some games need MMAP support
[03:39] <acid2> hardware accel is not enabled by default
[03:39] <konrad> type:        echo "ut.x86 0 0 direct" >> /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
[03:39] <konrad>         echo "ut.x86 0 0 disable" >> /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c/oss
[03:40] <Belutz> Seveas: do you work for ubuntu? :)
[03:40] <konrad> of course replace ut.x86 with correct process name
[03:40] <Seveas> Belutz, no
[03:40] <AlexBO> Seveas: where can i find it on the web? can i put it any image? or it have to be as small as the original?
[03:40] <konrad> pcharky: but UT should work with alsa corectly (for example quacke, enemy territorry don't)
[03:40] <pcharky> konrad: Thanx, I'll go and follow the howto.
[03:41] <konrad> pcharky: NP
[03:41] <Belutz> Seveas: ic... but i guess you're one of the developer :D
[03:41] <peter_> thanks for the help before bob2
[03:41] <konrad> AlexBO: gnome-look.org
[03:41] <Lonix> hi all
[03:41] <AlexBO> konrad: i've just been in it.thanks
[03:42] <konrad> AlexBO: :)
[03:42] <phixion> can anyone tell me where I should put metacity files?
[03:42] <Dr_Melectaus> is Cedega free to download?
[03:42] <hondje> Dr_Melectaus: No, but there is a free cvs version that sometimes work
[03:42] <Seveas> Dr_Melectaus, the cvs version is
[03:43] <Lonix> waht about winmodem in ubuntu  ?
[03:43] <Lonix> what about winmodem in ubuntu  ?
[03:43] <Lonix> it's work fine ?
[03:43] <phixion> Seveas, do you know where I should put theme files?
[03:43] <Dr_Melectaus> cvs version? whats the difference
[03:43] <Lonix> ?
[03:44] <LuNaTiK^GuY> "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH" wot does this mean?
[03:44] <Dr_Melectaus> and would you happen to know where i can get the cvs version
[03:44] <AlexBO> konrad: and what abou the sounds? in that site there are a dozen, but they aren't so nice...
[03:44] <Seveas> phixion, http://art.gnome.org/faq.php
[03:44] <bob2> Lonix: depends
[03:44] <Seveas> LuNaTiK^GuY, install the build-essential package
[03:44] <bob2> Lonix: usually it's easier to get a proper modem, but some winmodems will work with some fiddling
[03:44] <phixion> ta :)
[03:45] <Dr_Melectaus> Seveas, any idea where i could get the CVS version
[03:45] <Seveas> Dr_Melectaus, the forum has links to it
[03:45] <Dr_Melectaus> ok, thanks seceas
[03:45] <Lonix> ?
[03:46] <Lonix> what about winmodem in ubuntu  ?
[03:46] <Dr_Melectaus> Seveas, *
[03:46] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Seveas: thanks :)
[03:46] <wm_eddie> Lonix: If you have a conexant modem and $15 the Linuxant driver works great.
[03:47] <Lonix> thanks all
[03:47] <Belutz> Seveas: i've installed php5 and uninstalled php4, why in my phpinfo() still recognize it as php4 ?
[03:47] <Lonix> bye
[03:47] <LuNaTiK^GuY> "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!" wot do i do now?
[03:47] <Seveas> Belutz, ENOCLUE, never used php5
[03:47] <Seveas> LuNaTiK^GuY, what are you compiling..?
[03:47] <LuNaTiK^GuY> a kde applet
[03:48] <Belutz> Seveas: ic... thx anyway :)
[03:48] <apokryphos> LuNaTiK^GuY: libx11-dev
[03:48] <LuNaTiK^GuY> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=10841
[03:48] <LuNaTiK^GuY> 10ks apokryphos
[03:48] <Seveas> LuNaTiK^GuY, install kde-dev oslt
[03:48] <Seveas> LuNaTiK^GuY, kde-devel
[03:49] <apokryphos> LuNaTiK^GuY: what's oslt?
[03:49] <apokryphos> whoops
[03:49] <apokryphos> Seveas: what's oslt?
[03:49] <Seveas> or something like that
[03:49] <zerboxx> I have no idea why, but when I try to run amsn, nothing happens at all, any one with an idea of what I should do?
[03:50] <LuNaTiK^GuY> thanks to all :)
[03:50] <trevi> zerboxx: try gaim
[03:50] <Seveas> zerboxx, try to run it from a terminal and see what happens
[03:51] <zerboxx> trevi: I hate gaim's buddy icon support, squishes the image, looks horrible
[03:51] <zerboxx> Seveas: Did that, nothing happens
[03:51] <slask3n_> when is firefox supposed to work again?
[03:51] <zerboxx> Seveas: Doesn't spit me back to promt, just blank
[03:51] <Seveas> slask3n_, now if you downgrade, monday for a newer package
[03:51] <Seveas> zerboxx, odd...
[03:52] <slask3n_> k
[03:52] <Belutz> Seveas: i found it, i've installed libapache-mod-php5 while i use apache2, so i have to installed libapache2-mod-php5 instead of libapache-mod-php5
[03:52] <zerboxx> Seveas: I know :)  I'm starting to get weird problems like that, also, my palm wont sync, while it was yesterday *sigh* I will not go back to W$
[03:52] <Seveas> Belutz, hehe :)
[03:53] <Belutz> Seveas: thx for the sources link :)
[03:53] <TD> why does ubuntu-desktop not recommend packages, so ubuntu-desktop can be safely removed?
[03:53] <trevi> zerboxx: do you apt-get amsn?
[03:53] <Seveas> TD, it CAN be safely removed...
[03:53] <TD> well yes, but that's not recommended is it?
[03:53] <TD> then upgrades won't work right
[03:53] <bob2> TD: because it's a Depends relationship
[03:53] <Seveas> it just depends: on packages no packages depend on it
[03:54] <bob2> "a full Ubuntu desktop DEPENDS on having these packages installed"
[03:54] <Seveas> TD, if u-d would just recommend, upgrading would be just as bad as no u-d at all...
[03:54] <Seveas> bob2, true, but 'a full desktop' is not a packages :)
[03:54] <TD> bob2: i thought recommended meant that a dependency would be installed automatically, but it would not stop that dep being removed
[03:54] <bob2> nope
[03:54] <bob2> that's frontend-specific
[03:54] <TD> so what does it mean?
[03:55] <bob2> apt-get ignores recommends by default
[03:55] <TD> what's the point then?
[03:55] <bob2> recommends means that it's recommended that you have it
[03:55] <guybob> hi
[03:55] <bob2> aptitude and synaptic will display them, letting you install them if you like
[03:55] <qt2> i'm wondering... is there a gnome hack that allows for alt+tabbing while having stuff being dragged with the mouse...?
[03:55] <kicolobo> hi
[03:56] <kicolobo> I had just installed Ubuntu and have some doubts
[03:56] <TD> bob2: so basically there's no way to remove gaim (for instance, if you want to upgrade it to CVS or the source) without also removing ubuntu-desktop, which may break upgrades
[03:56] <ubuntudigger> ok folks! i quit! going back to windows, no use whith ubuntu whitout a printer working
[03:56] <TD> right?
[03:56] <bob2> TD: yup
[03:56] <apokryphos> TD: that won't really break packages, if you do things correctly.
[03:56] <bob2> TD: so, leave gaim alone and install cvs to /usr/local/
[03:56] <TD> bob2: doesn't that imply maybe a system like fedora package groups should be used instead of a virtual package?
[03:57] <bob2> ubuntudigger: that's a shame, good luck
[03:57] <bob2> TD: why?
[03:57] <Seveas> TD, if you make a dummy package that Provides: gaim upgrades will work :)
[03:57] <bob2> TD: installing random stuff from outside ubuntu is not a common case
[03:57] <TD> bob2: i'd say it's an extremely common case
[03:57] <fabien_> salut  tous
[03:57] <Seveas> TD, it's not...
[03:57] <bob2> TD: well, we're both talking out our arses
[03:57] <TD> given that ubuntu only provides a fraction of the available software in the world. and it's often out of date due to the freeze
[03:57] <bob2> TD: a fraction?
[03:57] <fabien_> qui pourrai me donner un lien pour telecharger de  bon fond d'ecran ubunto
[03:57] <apokryphos> bob2: er, are you serious? You're telling me it's not a common case that a person compiles at least something from elsewhere? Come on now.
[03:57] <Seveas> TD, ehrm, a fraction ?!?
[03:57] <TD> yes
[03:57] <TD> a tiny fraction.
[03:57] <Seveas> fabien_, #ubuntu-fr svp
[03:58] <thenuke> ubuntudigger: install windows and do not remove ubuntu :)
[03:58] <bob2> TD: and that has nothing to do with this, installing random things from outside ubuntu will not affect ubuntu-desktop in any way
[03:58] <TD> given that most software runs on windows, it has to be ;)
[03:58] <Seveas> TD, stop trolling...
[03:58] <qt2> TD, out of date? backports.
[03:58] <bob2> apokryphos: I think you'd be surprised
[03:58] <TD> but even if you restrict the view to only software that runs on linux, it's still nowhere near complete
[03:58] <thenuke> ubuntudigger: what printer you have btw?
[03:58] <TD> i'm not trolling, i'm making a point
[03:58] <bob2> backports are terrible solution
[03:58] <Seveas> TD, you're making a moot point
[03:58] <Seveas> if you call all ramblings made by novice programmers software, you're right
[03:58] <TD> the point is that the design of ubuntu seems to make it extraordinarily difficult to use anything not in the repositories, which is silly
[03:58] <bob2> TD: you can install whatever you want without affecting ubuntu-desktop
[03:59] <bob2> TD: no, it doesn't, sorry
[03:59] <qt2> TD, you can always modify ubuntu-desktop. :P
[03:59] <Seveas> TD, that's not true: you can install what you want...
[03:59] <TD> i class building or modifying packages yourself "difficult"
[03:59] <bob2> TD: install whatever you want, anywhere you like.  the only issue is that you can't trivially remove the ubuntu packaged one
[03:59] <qt2> TD, it's very easy to use most non-repo things.
[03:59] <apokryphos> TD: I haven't had ubuntu-desktop installed for, erm, before hoary was out.
[03:59] <TD> well, exactly
[03:59] <Seveas> TD, you don't have to build packages for stuff not in Ubuntu...
[03:59] <ubuntudigger> windows i know how to fix, ubuntu worked perfectly exept for the printer problem, brother d  dcp 4020c, have downloaded the correct driver from brother.no but cant install il
[03:59] <TD> then you get two menu items which look identical, two file associations etc
[03:59] <bob2> so, limit your complain to the actual problem
[03:59] <TD> also /usr/local tends not to work very well
[03:59] <Seveas> TD, nonsense
[03:59] <bob2> in what way does it not work?
[03:59] <LuNaTiK^GuY> is there a "Cool Edit Pro" for Linux
[03:59] <Seveas> /usr/local works fine...
[04:00] <TD> eg, $FOO_PATHs are often not set up for it. BONOBO_ACTIVATION_PATH, PKG_CONFIG_PATH, a bunch of other obscure paths i forget
[04:00] <bob2> ubuntudigger: yes, you told us.  it's shame you decided to go to windows instead of just asking on the mailing list, but that's life.
[04:00] <Seveas> TD, if you need them, set them up...
[04:00] <anoop> what is the DEBCONF tool
[04:00] <anoop> ?
[04:00] <apokryphos> TD: with all due respect towhat people are saying, ubuntu-desktop is still a recommendation, and a recommendation of packages -- don't forget that. If you want to customize your system, as you are now, then go for it.
[04:00] <TD> i'm coming from the perspective of non-linux-developer here. setting them up isn't something just anybody could do
[04:01] <bob2> yes, but putting libraries in /usr/local/ is rather rare
[04:01] <Belutz> TD: actually i've installed several apps which is not in repo....
[04:01] <ubuntudigger> what mailing list?
[04:01] <TD> Belutz: oh yes, i'm not saying it's impossible
[04:01] <bob2> ubuntudigger: ubuntu-user
[04:01] <TD> just that ubuntu goes out of its way to make it hard. anyway, i need to go eat. bbl
[04:01] <LuNaTiK^GuY> examples TD?
[04:02] <bob2> anyway, you're not raising anything new, this has been dicussed over and over
[04:02] <bob2> see the ubuntu-devel archives
[04:02] <Belutz> TD: well i previously using FreeBSD, and i think ubuntu is a lot more better for desktop user, but everybody have a different views :)
[04:02] <ubuntudigger> i am so new at this than i dont even know where to find that list
[04:02] <apokryphos> bob2, Seveas: how exactly would not having ubuntu-desktop break packages?
[04:02] <qt2> ubuntudigger, heh, it probably has to do with the usbfs remnaming?
[04:02] <Seveas> ubuntudigger, http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/
[04:02] <bob2> apokryphos: I never said that
[04:02] <bob2> apokryphos: it will make upgrades harder, since you won't pick up new packages that it Depends on
[04:02] <lsuactiafner> how do i i forver disable apt-get to ignore the ubuntu kernel upgrades?!
[04:03] <bob2> apokryphos: e.g. network-manager might only be installed in breezy because ubuntu-desktop Depends on it
[04:03] <bob2> lsuactiafner: why do you want to do that?
[04:03] <Seveas> exactly, when hoary switched from Xfree to Xorg, not having u-d installed would make you miss that...
[04:03] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : because i make my own kernel
[04:03] <bob2> lsuactiafner: then just put it on  hold in synaptic, I guess
[04:04] <lsuactiafner> and downloading every stupid single kernel release hogs my dialup
[04:04] <lsuactiafner> thanks
[04:04] <apokryphos> bob2: you'll only miss out on things that you don't currently have. I don't think you can really say that breaks the upgrade (as in, not allowing it to go forward). And it's worth noting that you can easily install it again before an upgrade
[04:04] <apokryphos> bob2: in which case, for normal using just why shouldn't you be able to delete it?
[04:04] <phanter> hello. My clock is set to synchronize so the time is right. The time in my topscreen is right as well, But the time in my desklets is not correct. What could cause this problem.
[04:04] <bob2> apokryphos: it can break the upgrade, but it's certainly work-around-able
[04:05] <bob2> apokryphos: you can remove it if you like, but you need to be aware of what that means
[04:05] <bob2> there's usually very little reason to do so
[04:05] <lsuactiafner> phanter : you changed the time.. and desklets are confused..
[04:06] <apokryphos> bob2: I can only see it breaking the upgrade if you're defining that as "not installing all the packages that it would bring in"
[04:06] <fuzzyme> Hi! I think I have a peculiar prob. with ubuntu.. Can anybody help?
[04:06] <bob2> apokryphos: correct
[04:06] <ubuntudigger> ok now i have subscribed the ubuntu user
[04:06] <qt2> bob2, i've had to re-apt-get ubuntu-desktop ocasionally... it's strange.
[04:06] <lsuactiafner> how do i select hold with synaptic?
[04:06] <lsuactiafner> want to disable all the kernel image upgrades.
[04:07] <apokryphos> bob2: that's fine; I'd prefer to stick to "breaking an upgrade" means "the upgrade cannot go ahead". Similar to what it means to have "a broken package"
[04:07] <bob2> ok
[04:07] <fuzzyme> I don't see many of the things people seem to see in synaptic...
[04:07] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: you may not have all the repositories enabled
[04:07] <apokryphos> !repositories
[04:07] <ubotu> [repositories]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:07] <qt2> bob2, in fact, ubuntu-desktop was not installed just now, as i founf out, and i have no idea why o.O;
[04:07] <Seveas> fuzzyme: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[04:08] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: you just won't get backports with that one, which you may want.
[04:08] <Seveas> or may not want :)\
[04:08] <fuzzyme> Do I have to use the internet for it?
[04:09] <fuzzyme> COz my connection is not working from ubuntu
[04:09] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: err, yeah. Ubuntu Universe/Multiverse repositories are on the net
[04:09] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : dont you know how to make apt-get ignore new available kernels?
[04:09] <qt2> ubuntudigger, ...is there a reason you just did a dcc chat with me? <.<;
[04:09] <zwnj> how i can manage system services in ubuntu?
[04:09] <phanter> lsuactiafner, so you say that after relauding my desktop it should work? in that case I will relaod my desktop in a minute :)
[04:09] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, bob2 told you :)
[04:09] <leroj> i can't type <'s!
[04:09] <leroj> only copy them
[04:09] <zwnj> something like redhat's "service" or "system-config-services"
[04:10] <lsuactiafner> i checked cant find the hold option he said i should look for
[04:10] <chibifs> zwnj - There's a program called BUM
[04:10] <ubuntudigger> its more easy to understand when things not going so fast,
[04:10] <bob2> lsuactiafner: select "freeze" or something
[04:10] <Seveas> zwnj, update-rc.d
[04:10] <bob2> I don't use synaptic
[04:10] <leroj> hehe BUM
[04:10] <qt2> bob2, 'lock version' perhaps?
[04:10] <leroj> on that note heheh SMEG
[04:10] <fuzzyme> apokryphos: Is KDE installed with ubuntu?
[04:10] <chibifs> zwnj - I'm not sure where to get it alone, but there's a clip of it on ubuntuguide.org
[04:11] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: no, but it is with Kubuntu. You can easily install it from Ubuntu with a net connection
[04:11] <zwnj> chibifs, Seveas: thanks :)
[04:11] <qt2> lsuactiafner, i believe you select the package, and then go to package > lock version.
[04:11] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, select the package and use package -> lock version in the menu
[04:11] <bob2> qt2: that sounds right
[04:11] <zerboxx> trevi: I'm sorry it took so long trevi, you said "do I apt-get amsn" what do you mean?
[04:11] <Seveas> qt2, damn you :p
[04:11] <bob2> lsuactiafner: lock version
[04:11] <bob2> qt2: thanks!
[04:11] <fuzzyme> apokryphos: :-( net connection is my CHIEF problem with ubuntu
[04:11] <zzzzzzz> has anyone of you got working cups browsing?
[04:11] <chibifs> Now now, don't bash me for reccomending ubuntuguide! It's the only place I've seen it xD
[04:11] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: why isn't it working? What's the prob?
[04:11] <qt2> bob2, anytime ;)
[04:12] <fuzzyme> Coz I have a 'WinModem <('
[04:12] <ubuntudigger> qt2: hoped you could give me some time to try to sort out the trouble in the dcc chat, wher things not going so fast
[04:12] <lsuactiafner> cant find the option @ all...
[04:12] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: is that computer not on a network?
[04:12] <lsuactiafner> thanks
[04:12] <fuzzyme> No
[04:12] <qt2> ubuntudigger, err, why not query me? i prefer to stay away from dcc if i can.
[04:12] <LuNaTiK^GuY> "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found" wot do i do now?
[04:12] <zzzzzzz> the printers appear in gnome-cups-manager but there are no properties associated with them
[04:12] <boga> how do I allow connections to my ssh port?
[04:13] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: oh :S. You might still be able to get it running, though personally I think it's easily worth just getting a router
[04:13] <qt2> LuNaTiK^GuY, grab qt3 from synaptic?
[04:13] <fuzzyme> apokryphos: well, router? what's it?
[04:13] <LuNaTiK^GuY> qt2...thanks
[04:13] <LuNaTiK^GuY> do u know the exact package name?
[04:13] <ubuntudigger> what is that then, i thougt it just was a place to chat quietly as i said, i am totaly blank about this chattroom
[04:13] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: it's kind of a modem and a hub combined. It stays always connected to the net, and you just plug up any computers to it to get the connection
[04:14] <qt2> LuNaTiK^GuY, libqt3 something, just ctrl+f libqt3
[04:14] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: they're cheap too
[04:14] <qt2> LuNaTiK^GuY, you'll probably need -dev and -headers. ;)
[04:14] <holycow> oh, haha galeon has print preview
[04:14] <zzzzzzz> any cups-experts around?
[04:15] <lsuactiafner> lock didnt work
[04:15] <lsuactiafner> it still wants to download the new kernel
[04:15] <fuzzyme> apokryphos: No, I have the driver for the WinModem(though it's a miniscule 14.4 one). Yet, it's not working...
[04:15] <thenuke> zzzzzzz: you are better off just asking the question..
[04:15] <LuNaTiK^GuY> !libqt3
[04:15] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, LuNaTiK^GuY
[04:15] <qt2> LuNaTiK^GuY, and libqt3c102-mt. ;)
[04:15] <lsuactiafner> and i'm on 2.6.12 for good reason and no 2.6.10
[04:15] <zzzzzzz> thenuke: that was the question :-)
[04:15] <LuNaTiK^GuY> oh god
[04:15] <fuzzyme> apokryphos: I'm gonna buy a new external modem but for the present?
[04:16] <qt2> libqt3-headers and libqt3-dev are the names i believe.
[04:16] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: no point getting just a modem when you can get a router, really
[04:16] <LuNaTiK^GuY> thanks
[04:16] <thenuke> zzzzzzz: it was a very bad question indeed
[04:16] <fuzzyme> apokryphos: how much will that cost?
[04:16] <LuNaTiK^GuY> lemme try them out one at a time :)
[04:16] <qt2> ubuntulog, a dcc chat is usually used for file-related stuff, a query is a private message window between two people.
[04:16] <fuzzyme> and what'
[04:16] <ztonzy> how to restart desktop ?
[04:17] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: not much. They're around 35 here
[04:17] <fuzzyme> apokryphos: where?
[04:17] <thenuke> zzzzzzz: I have not seen EVER anyone answer to that kind of questions when someone wants to know if there are experts available
[04:17] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i had the headers...but not the dev ;)
[04:17] <fuzzyme> and what's the advantage?
[04:17] <thenuke> zzzzzzz: your spesific problem might not need and all-around cups expert you know
[04:17] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: it doesn't connect to the net as conventional modems; it's always connected, and so any computer you can just plug up and it connects
[04:17] <qt2> LuNaTiK^GuY, ;)
[04:18] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: of course, big advantage is taht it's a hub, too
[04:18] <LuNaTiK^GuY> y not put all dev packs in one :)
[04:18] <qt2> LuNaTiK^GuY, because some people want the headers but not dev?
[04:18] <fuzzyme> Ok, what's your currency?(so I can guess how much that'll cost to me)
[04:18] <zzzzzzz> thenuke: well... so let me rephrase my question: did anyone get working cups remote printing with browsing. (better? :-)
[04:19] <apokryphos> fuzzyme: GBP
[04:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> qt2: hey i'm a noob :)
[04:19] <qt2> LuNaTiK^GuY, so am i. ;)
[04:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> qt2: i dont even know wot the differences are!
[04:19] <apokryphos> LuNaTiK^GuY: are you talking about qt includes? You should be alright iwth just libqt3-mt-dev
[04:19] <zzzzzzz> thenuke: (regardless of being an expert or not)
[04:19] <mikul> syns mina  nu?
[04:19] <fuzzyme> apokryphos: Sorry, but what's GBP? Which country?
[04:19] <mikul> oops
[04:19] <mikul> wrong channal
[04:19] <apokryphos> LuNaTiK^GuY: British Pound
[04:19] <thenuke> zzzzzzz: it's better but now you asked me about it :)
[04:19] <bob2> lsuactiafner: define "didn't work"
[04:19] <qt2> apokryphos, which happens to require libqt3-mt-headers anyway. ;)
[04:19] <thenuke> so 90% of ppl wont read it
[04:19] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : there is no hold option i found, lock didnt work.
[04:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> apokryphos: wot?
[04:19] <ubuntu> hello
[04:20] <bob2> lsuactiafner: as above, define "didn't work"
[04:20] <ubuntu> testing
[04:20] <bob2> lsuactiafner: synaptic's lock has no effect on apt-get and aptitude, of course
[04:20] <apokryphos> LuNaTiK^GuY: are you trying to get the Qt includes, to compile or something? If so, that package should do it...
[04:20] <lsuactiafner> when i do apt-get upgrade ia32-libs it still starts to download the kernel
[04:20] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yes i was installing a kde app
[04:20] <lsuactiafner> hmmk back to my question, how do i make apt-get ignore the damn kernel
[04:20] <LuNaTiK^GuY> and got some error
[04:20] <bob2> lsuactiafner: that's not how the upgrade command works
[04:20] <LuNaTiK^GuY> "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found" wot do i do now?
[04:20] <qt2> apokryphos, heh, he already solved it. ;)
[04:21] <bob2> lsuactiafner: apt-get upgrade blah = apt-get upgrade
[04:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> THAT was the error
[04:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :)
[04:21] <bob2> lsuactiafner: it ignores all arguments
[04:21] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : it doesnt.
[04:21] <apokryphos> qt2: cool
[04:21] <zzzzzzz> thenuke: huh?
[04:21] <bob2> lsuactiafner: what?
[04:21] <micmic> I'm a newbbie, how can I upgrade Mozilla-Firefox to 1.06
[04:21] <lsuactiafner> the kernel is a dependancy, so far all the other packages ive upgraded ive managed to apt-get upgrade package and it ignored the kernel
[04:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> qt2: got the same error again :(
[04:22] <fuzzyme> micmic: which distro do you have?
[04:22] <bob2> lsuactiafner: echo pkgname hold | sudo dpkg --set-selections
[04:22] <lsuactiafner> but now ia32-libs requires a kernel thats 2.6.10 > and i got 2.6.12
[04:22] <qt2> lsuactiafner, doing an atp-get upgrade forces it to ignore any 'loks' on the version, soo unless you manually upgrade it with apt-get upgrade, it should ignore it.
[04:22] <micmic> ubuntu 5.04
[04:22] <bob2> lsuactiafner: then you've lost, there's alimit to how much you can try to break apt
[04:22] <qt2> lsuactiafner, err, neverlind, i misunderstood the problem.
[04:23] <fuzzyme> micmic: Did you go to their website: getfirefox.com
[04:23] <lsuactiafner> apt-get should do as its told, i'm human and i'm smart enough to realise i dont need the kernel package
[04:23] <qt2> LuNaTiK^GuY, then follow apokryphos's advice.
[04:23] <qt2> lsuactiafner, hack support for it into apt-get? ;)
[04:23] <bob2> lsuactiafner: er
[04:23] <bob2> lsuactiafner: ia32-libs doesn't Depend on a kernel at all
[04:23] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : you are a genius (:
[04:23] <bob2> nothing in ubuntu should do that
[04:24] <micmic> fuzzyme: yes, I've download firefox-1.0.6.installes.tar.gz
[04:24] <zack> Hey, i
[04:24] <fuzzyme> micmic: Then u r asking what?
[04:24] <lsuactiafner> The following packages have been kept back:
[04:24] <lsuactiafner>   linux-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic mozilla-firefox mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[04:24] <lsuactiafner> yay!!
[04:25] <micmic> fuzzyme: well, when I do tar -xvf then I have an permission error
[04:25] <bob2> so, the moral of the story is to be way way more specific
[04:25] <zack> Sorry about that, what I was trying to say was "Hey, i'm not trying to be hasty, but I was hoping that someone could give me the path to install new metacity themes in"
[04:25] <fuzzyme> micmic:In which directory do u have that tar file?
[04:25] <bob2> zack: drag them onto the theme manager
[04:25] <micmic> fuzzyme: download
[04:25] <fuzzyme> micmic: and did u tar as root?
[04:25] <qt2> sp... why does ubuntu at high volumes cause static in the sound?
[04:26] <zack> thanks bob, im stupid :P
[04:26] <micmic> fuzzyme: yes I tried as sudo
[04:26] <fuzzyme> micmic: What's the error? do u remember?
[04:27] <micmic> fuzzyme: I'm trying to reproduce it now, give a minute
[04:27] <qt2> &so
[04:28] <nynn> bonjour
[04:28] <qt2> lsuactiafner, good job, good luck. ;)
[04:29] <trevi> jour nynn
[04:29] <qt2> why does it seem that everyone i've seen has been having their mozilla-firefox held back by the way?
[04:29] <micmic> fuzzyme: I do "sudo tar xvfz firefox-1.0.6.installer.tar.gz" that's ok
[04:30] <micmic> fuzzyme: now I have a nez directory "firefox-installer"
[04:32] <Nomikos> does anyone know of a guide for compiling php4 under Ubuntu? default install seems to miss curl support :-S
[04:32] <micmic> fuzzyme: cd firefox-installer
[04:32] <qt2> micmic, you could always just wait till firefox 1.0.6 hits backports. ;)
[04:32] <micmic> fuzzyme: sudo ./firefox-i nstaller
[04:33] <micmic> fuzzyme: sudo: unable to execute ./firefox-installer: Permission denied
[04:33] <qt2> Nomikos, did you grab php4-curl from synaptic?
[04:33] <ed> hey Im a noob to ubuntu, what is the default root password? this didnt ask me to set root up
[04:33] <micmic> qt2: ;) I'm trying get it first
[04:33] <Nomikos> i think so.. regular apt-get thing, afaik, was a while ago
[04:33] <Nomikos> oh ehr
[04:34] <fuzzyme> micmic: see the file's permissions. See who's the owner.
[04:34] <snickkers> ed: there is no root password. often, if it asks you for a password, it's asking for *your* password, not root's
[04:34] <Nomikos> hold on :-) misread.. php4-curl you say
[04:34] <qt2> Nomikos, aye. ;)
[04:34] <Nomikos> qt2 is that like apt-get php4-curl ?
[04:34] <micmic> fuzzyme: -rwxrwxrwx  1 root root    1699 2005-07-18 01:50 firefox-installer
[04:34] <mirak> hi
[04:34] <ed> i tried that but it wouldnt take it.... I'm trying to install a game
[04:34] <mirak> is there anyone from thekoslovakia here ?
[04:35] <fuzzyme> micmic: Then very sorry no idea...
[04:35] <Nomikos> qt2: synaptic.. ah. i must drink more coffee, let me check it out..
[04:35] <micmic> fuzzyme: thank anyway
[04:36] <ed> does anyone know if a root pwd exists?
[04:36] <qt2> Nomikos, i dont see how using apt-get would make any differnce than using synaptic, since synaptic is just a front end, or so i've come to believe... ;)
[04:36] <trevi> mirak: hi
[04:36] <Nomikos> qt2, yus :-) i'm a bit slow the last couple days... fired it up now
[04:36] <mirak> trevi: are you from slovakia ?
[04:36] <ed> to install the firefox app need to extract to usr / share/ and then just click ion firefox
[04:37] <trevi> mirak: nop..sorry
[04:37] <qt2> Nomikos, heh, it's all good, i was like that last night.
[04:37] <snickkers> Can someone help me get sound/music working on this machine? I'm not really sure what's wrong. when I try to make a noise (I'm using System -> Preferences -> Sound -> Sound Events -> Play) nothing comes out of the speakers. There's no error message.
[04:37] <qt2> Nomikos, i ended up crashing out and missing a chance to begin learning python with a a new friend.
[04:38] <snickkers> Also, if i go Applications -> Sound & Video -> Volume Monitor, I can see that *something* is being played, but still - no noise out of speakers
[04:38] <Nomikos> qt2, owh.. meet up again sometime, python's nice i hear
[04:39] <micmic> ed: what??
[04:39] <ed> whats what?
[04:39] <qt2> Nomikos, tonight i hope.
[04:39] <Nomikos> qt2: magic! it worked :-)
[04:39] <micmic> ed: you say to install firefox...
[04:39] <dim> how do I install adobe on ubuntu?
[04:39] <qt2> Nomikos, most of the seemingly complicated problems have mind-numbing simle solutions ;)
[04:40] <snickkers> qt2: most of the mind-numbing simple problems have the most complicated solutions
[04:40] <dim> I mean acrobat reader?
[04:40] <ed> mimic: you need to extract the files to the user share
[04:40] <qt2> snickkers, true enough.
[04:41] <micmic> ed: I tried it to a normal directory and then when I tried to execute as root I give an error
[04:42] <qt2> micmic, tried it as non-root?
[04:42] <snickkers> nobody feel like helping me with my audio troubles? :/
[04:42] <qt2> snickkers, what be your troubles?
[04:42] <ed> take the directory, move it to usr/share should work
[04:42] <micmic> ed: I try, thanks
[04:43] <ed> hwo did you get the login to work as root?
[04:43] <qt2> snickkers, oh, i see, did you unmute your soundcard?
[04:43] <liran> how can i export the entire screen on one box and connect to it remotely? (im talking about connecting to the x server)
[04:43] <dim> how about helping me with installing acrobat reader?
[04:43] <snickkers> qt2: I'm pretty sure I have - I did it in Apps -> Sound & video -> Volume Mixer
[04:44] <snickkers> qt2: err, Volume Control
[04:44] <micmic> ed: well, I do sudo... ok?
[04:44] <Newise> To get root password to work set new root password: sudo passwd root
[04:44] <qt2> snickkers, did you unmute all the channels? ;)
[04:44] <tux> Hello. Somebody knows if the mozilla-firefox 1.02 has the following bug: it cannot download files?
[04:45] <snickkers> qt2: yes
[04:45] <ed> yeah will try bbl
[04:45] <micmic> qt2: with my normal user?
[04:45] <snickkers> qt2: I also have a tv tuner card, I dunno if that's messing with things *shrug*
[04:45] <qt2> snickkers, hm, try opening a console and trying killall esd.
[04:45] <qt2> micmic, cant hurt.
[04:45] <qt2> snickkers, ohhhh..
[04:46] <Hajuu> Heya
[04:46] <qt2> snickkers, that could very well be it.
[04:46] <qt2> snickkers, forget the killall command
[04:46] <Hajuu> How come my XMMS won't connect to this ASX stream?
[04:46] <qt2> snickkers, pop open the volume control, go to file > change device and see what the selected device is.
[04:47] <ed> mimic you do it at the login? or from terminal
[04:47] <micmic> qt2: I've then same error "bash: ./firefox-installer: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permiso denegado"
[04:48] <micmic> ed: from terminal
[04:48] <snickkers> there's Realtek ALC665 rev 0 (OSS) selected, and SiS SI7012 (ALSA) not selected
[04:48] <ed> and its just sudo?
[04:48] <qt2> Hajuu, does it connect to any assx steams?
[04:48] <micmic> ed: yes, "sudo tar ..."; "cd firefox-installer"; "sudo ./firefox-installer"
[04:49] <ed> k
[04:49] <snickkers> qt2: however, 'alsamixer' makes things more confusing, by saying that the selected devies is "Card: SiS SI7012, Chip: Realtek ALC655 trv0"
[04:49] <qt2> snickkers, hm, changing the device to the other one and unmuting/raising the volume of that.
[04:49] <Hajuu> qt2:  Nope.
[04:49] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i keep getting "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found."
[04:49] <ed> bb
[04:49] <LuNaTiK^GuY> even after instralling all those libraires
[04:50] <wrtpeeps> what file do i need to edit to add some alias to my bash rc
[04:51] <tux> Hello. Somebody knows if the mozilla-firefox 1.02 has the following bug: it cannot download files?
[04:51] <qt2> LuNaTiK^GuY, might want to inquier in #kde...? ;)
[04:51] <qt2> LuNaTiK^GuY, err, i mean #qt
[04:52] <micmic> tux: I don't have that problem
[04:52] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ok i;ll try
[04:52] <bob2> wrtpeeps: depends what you're doing
[04:52] <snickkers> q2: still no success
[04:52] <bob2> tux: no, it doesn't
[04:52] <bob2> wrtpeeps: perhaps ~/.bashrc
[04:52] <wrtpeeps> ok, thanks
[04:52] <qt2> snickkers, are you raising only the master?
[04:53] <snickkers> qt2: I've raised all sliders to around 80%, and unmuted, on both devices
[04:53] <snickkers> qt2: all sliders on Playback, not Capture, btw
[04:53] <wrtpeeps> it seems nautilus has messed up my xfce
[04:54] <wrtpeeps> i need to run a command, is it xfdesktop or something?
[04:54] <NoHope> hi all
[04:55] <trevi> ni NoHope
[04:55] <snickkers> hi nh
[04:55] <NoHope> hey, where can I find some doc about the ubuntu initialization scheme (I think you called it SysV)...
[04:55] <NoHope> ?
[04:56] <snickkers> qt2: my box is already open atm. should I try taking out the tuner card, seeing if ubuntu works nice and neatly without it?
[04:58] <occy> How does an AMD Athlon 64 3400+ compare to say an Intel Pentium IV 2.4Ghz ?
[04:58] <occy> which is faster and by how much?
[04:58] <snickkers> qt2: I'm gonna try that. I'll be back in 5 mins
[04:58] <phanter> how can I check if my system time is set to gmt or to the local time ?
[04:59] <snickkers> oocy: I'd *guess* the AMD, because it's about 3.4Ghz comparitabely, also it's 64bit while that p4 is 32bit
[05:00] <cyberix> Where is glxinfo in breezy?
[05:00] <NoHope> hey, I have Firefox 1.05 and Java in /mypersonaldir/java. How can I "say" to firefox the path of java?
[05:00] <liran> how do i turn x11 to listen on port 6000?
[05:02] <Hajuu> How come my XMMS won't connect to ANY ASX streams?
[05:03] <phanter> how can I check if my system time is set to gmt or to the local time ?
[05:04] <NoHope> hey, I have Firefox 1.05 and Java in /mypersonaldir/java. How can I "say" to firefox the path of java?
[05:04] <Hajuu> phanter:  Well you check your clock and if its set to your time.. then its right.. and if it isn't.. then its wrong...
[05:04] <Hajuu> :/
[05:04] <phanter> Hajuu, very smart, but I want to know where i can check (and change ?) this on my laptop
[05:05] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i was told to fix the problem on my own...NICE :(
[05:05] <Hajuu> Right click on the clock and go "Adjust date and time"
[05:06] <HWolf> freenode is having problems, it seems
[05:08] <fabbione> what's new about that?
[05:09] <qt2> HWolf, freenodes problems come on an almost regular schedule nowadays... ;)
[05:09] <HWolf> Why don't they fix it?
[05:09] <HWolf> Try joining #freenode, and you'll be told that it's under attack from a clonebot.
[05:10] <HWolf> how hard can it be to kill a bot? :S
[05:10] <Jason_Dean> hi, is there a list of the packages ubuntu installs when one selects 'server installation' ?
[05:11] <HWolf> yup, just check it's dependency's
[05:11] <CarlFK> HWolf - what it?
[05:11] <occy> How does an AMD Athlon 64 3400+ compare to say an Intel Pentium IV 2.4Ghz ?
[05:11] <occy> which is faster and by how much?
[05:12] <occy> (we disco'ed right after I asked that)
[05:12] <HWolf> occy, impossible to say, and not a question for this channel
[05:12] <cfaun> I think it is supposed to be about a gigahertz faster, according to wikipedia, but it isn't always accurate
[05:12] <digitalfox> When is the Firefox package going to be fixed?
[05:12] <HWolf> CarlFK: 'server' only installs ubuntu-base, afaik
[05:13] <cfaun> that isn't taking into account the 64 bit speedups
[05:13] <occy> HWolf, heh, ummm, It's a good a question as any for this channel.
[05:13] <qt2> HWolf, one bot, pretty easy, but they're dealing with thuousands of them at once.
[05:13] <cfaun> occy: if I were you, I would google some benchmarks
[05:13] <qt2> mmm, gotta love zombied pc's <3
[05:13] <occy> HWolf, I have a pIV 2.4Ghz that keeps locking up with Ubuntu and want to get something that works with Ubuntu.   So I'm wondering if the AMD 64 3400+ is faster.
[05:13] <HWolf> occy, it's not. a processor is dependant on the rest of the system, ram, harddisk, mainboard, other hardware. It's complicated, and everyone has his own preferences
[05:13] <cfaun> occy: for different things you will get different amounts of speedups
[05:14] <occy> HWolf, go away
[05:14] <Hajuu> How come my XMMS won't connect to ANY ASX streams?
[05:14] <linukso> Hi! Any mpd users here? I've installed mpd on my ubuntu box with aptitude, run sudo dpkg-reconfigure mpd and added symlinks to my music folder, but I mpd won't play anything.
[05:14] <cfaun> occy: its true
[05:14] <Dr_Melectaus> Hi, im trying to install ut2004, but its saying its unable to mount the volume because there is no media in the drive
[05:14] <qt2> occy, he's right.
[05:14] <HWolf> occy, amd's are faster atm, in general, in most applications, own intel in games, lose out in other benches
[05:14] <Dr_Melectaus> i dont know why but it isnt detecting the disc
[05:14] <digitalfox> occy, the processor isn't the problem most likely.
[05:14] <Dr_Melectaus> i cant browse the folder either
[05:14] <HWolf> occy, please read the ubuntu code of conduct
[05:14] <CarlFK> occy - regardless of if HWolf is right or wrong - try to be nice
[05:14] <digitalfox> occy, I've never heard of Linux having a CPU support issue
[05:14] <Dr_Melectaus> anyone able to help me out, or point me in the direction of help
[05:15] <occy> heh
[05:15] <digitalfox> occy, I'd look at other pieces of hardware as the culprit
[05:15] <digitalfox> occy, video card is a big one
[05:15] <Dr_Melectaus> anyone ?
[05:15] <qt2> Dr_Melectaus, tried googling? ;)
[05:15] <occy> digitalfox, you could be right, I'm simply trying to purchase a new computer and want to know how much faster it will be
[05:15] <occy> I don't need someone getting all high and mighty on me.
[05:15] <Dr_Melectaus> qt2. yes
[05:15] <cfaun> did you mount the drive?
[05:16] <Dr_Melectaus> cfaun, right clicked dcrom and clicked mount
[05:16] <cfaun> occy: step away and reread it. You will find that YOU are the one getting all high and mighty
[05:16] <HWolf> occy, i'm just telling you the thruth. personally I'd say amd is the way to go, but the only way to find out what is right for you is figure out your use cases, and reading reviews and benchmarks
[05:16] <Dr_Melectaus> but it says something like unable to mount, most likely because there is no media in the drive
[05:16] <cfaun> bah, stupid GUIs
[05:16] <cfaun> sry; don't know
[05:16] <cfaun> I would try #linuxhelp if noone here knows
[05:17] <Dr_Melectaus> qt2, its the dvd edition of ut2k4 if that makes a difference
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> cant get the installer for ut2004 working?
[05:17] <occy> all I asked was a simple question.  I've been around the LInux community for quite a while.  I don't need people being rude for no reason at all.  Trying to ascertain a processor speed isn't that big of a deal.
[05:17] <Dr_Melectaus> Dr_Willis, the disc isnt being detected
[05:17] <occy> at any rate
[05:17] <qt2> Dr_Willis, he cant get the cd to even be detected. :P
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> ewwwwww
[05:18] <Dr_Melectaus> i right clicked and tried right clicking and mounting
[05:18] <nalioth> occy: www.tomshardware.com has plenty of info on hardware
[05:18] <occy> feel free to have your last words...
[05:18] <occy> nalioth, tx
[05:18] <Dr_Melectaus> but it says unable to mount, probobly because there is no media in the drive
[05:18] <qt2> occy, yes, the amd will far outpace your current processor.
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> this is when linux comes in handy :) dropin back to the shel and do it manually
[05:18] <occy> qt2, why thank you that's all I was wantingl.
[05:18] <HWolf> qt2, so will the p4, really
[05:18] <occy> err wanting even.
[05:18] <occy> I don't know jack about processors.
[05:18] <Dr_Melectaus> Dr_Willis, could you pm me telling me how to do it, im a bit of a noob with nix
[05:18] <occy> hence the reason I was asking
[05:18] <occy> anyhoo
[05:18] <occy> tx
[05:19] <qt2> occy, no problem, you've gotta learn to take irc with a grain of salt is all ;)
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> Dr_Melectaus,  the 'sudo mount' command.. but wait a sec.. you said the cd wassent in the drive?
[05:19] <occy> qt2, I've been on since 95... and I still haven't learned ;)
[05:19] <Dr_Melectaus> it is in the drive
[05:19] <Dr_Melectaus> But it isnt appearing to be
[05:19] <Dr_Melectaus> usually the cd icon appears on my desktop
[05:19] <qt2> occy, a bit stubborn? ;)
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> pop up a shell and type 'sudo mount' and see if it mentions it.
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> may be gnome is confsed again
[05:20] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[05:20] <Hajuu> What is Sun Java on APT-GET as?
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> theres dozens of 'how to mount a drive tutorials' out - its one of the fundamental things of linux 101 - lol
[05:21] <Dr_Melectaus> Dr_Willis, what should i be looking for
[05:21] <nalioth> !java
[05:21] <ubotu> somebody said java was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[05:21] <Dr_Melectaus> i cant see anything about cdrom0
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> google for 'linux drive mount tutorial'
[05:21] <trilliji> I have a DVD/RW drive that isn't detected by gnome as a cd/rw. It doesn't recognize either DVD or CD blank media. does anyone know how I can manually tell it that it is there?
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> does it work with other disks Dr_Melectaus ?
[05:22] <Dr_Melectaus> yea other discs work fine
[05:22] <Dr_Melectaus> just seems to be this one
[05:22] <Dr_Melectaus> i dont know if its because its a DVD
[05:22] <Dr_Melectaus> When i try to play DVD movies it doesnt have any of it
[05:26] <liran> i dont have port 6000 open, probably cause X was run with 'tcp -nolisten'. in which file do i remove it?
[05:26] <phanter> My timezone is correct. The actual time is 17:15 here, but gnome tells me the time is 15:15. I use ntp (time should be correct). What goes wrong?
[05:27] <sexcopter8000m> ok this might sound strange. My printer is printing black as red, printing from windows produces black as black correctly. Any ideas?
[05:28] <liran> nm, found it.
[05:29] <qt2> sexcopter8000m, probably ended up setting up the printer incorrectly or something of the sort.
[05:30] <catolh> Ok, this is a stupid question but.. how do i check how much space i got left on my hdd?.. :o
[05:30] <Dr_Melectaus> df
[05:30] <Dr_Melectaus> catolh, in terminal type df
[05:30] <catolh> Is there another way? like a gui graph?.. :p
[05:30] <Dr_Melectaus> infact, type df -h
[05:31] <apokryphos> catolh: filelight is good
[05:31] <Dr_Melectaus> -h means human so it puts it in mb and gb
[05:31] <CarlFK> there is a gui thing somewhere
[05:31] <coobra> knoppix heh
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> hmm - anyone else noticeing the firefox extensions page  messing up agaiin some how?
[05:33] <Aced> yo
[05:33] <Aced> is there anyone here by the name of Hybird?
[05:33] <catolh> filelight was funky, didnt get one bit of it.. heh.. :\
[05:34] <apokryphos> catolh: ? It's pretty darn clear...
[05:34] <catolh> yeah, i know.. but it doesnt show me how much space i have left on my disk though.. or im not getting it.. :\
[05:35] <CarlFK> catolh - you didnt ask for space left ;)   df -h
[05:35] <catolh> actually i did.. :p
[05:35] <catolh> "catolh Ok, this is a stupid question but.. how do i check how much space i got left on my hdd?.. :o"
[05:35] <zerboxx> I'm having 2 very annoying problems.  1) When I try to run amsn, nothing happens (in terminal nothing happens at all, just sits blank), and 2) When I try to run gnome-pilot, it freezes, can anyone please help with either (or both!)
[05:36] <catolh> but anyway, i got it now.. thanks :)
[05:36] <CarlFK> where did I see a bar graph kinda view of a folder?
[05:36] <catolh> "catolh Is there another way? like a gui graph?.. :p"
[05:36] <catolh> :p
[05:37] <chibifs> :o Cell Ubuntu.
[05:40] <nnacht> I'm using GTK+ for windows. But I don't know how to change the font size, anyone know it?
[05:40] <chibifs> nnacht - Should conform to your windows fonts size. Did when I used it :/
[05:41] <nnacht> chibifs: no, it is definitely smaller than the windows fonts.
[05:41] <zerboxx> I have found that some programs require esd killed, is there anyway around this, so I can hear from everything?
[05:41] <Hajuu> Hey uhm.. following the wiki guide for installing java... I just dpkg'd it... But when I move onto trying to apt-get install it, apt-get doesnt know where the package file is.. and I can't find where it was put either...
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> nnacht,  thers a tool i think that comes with the gtk downloads for wndows to select themes
[05:41] <Hajuu> zerboxx:  sudo killall esd
[05:41] <w00f> how can i mount a partition for a regular user ?
[05:42] <zerboxx> Hajuu: But then I can only have one sound at a time, is there any way to have both?
[05:42] <chibifs> zerboxx - Try to remap them to use esd or alsa instead of oss, arts, or jackd.
[05:42] <w00f> mount says only root can mount and the moment i mount it the directory can only be accessed by root
[05:42] <w00f> properties can't be changed as the partition is ntfs (therefore, read-only)
[05:42] <chibifs> Or tell arts to use esd.
[05:42] <zerboxx> chibifs: So in each program, switch them to use esd?
[05:42] <Hajuu> zerboxx:  Not that i've found heh.
[05:42] <Hajuu> Not for games, anyway.
[05:42] <chibifs> What program are you having trouble with?
[05:42] <chibifs> (s)
[05:43] <zerboxx> chibifs: Well I usually have esd up, and when it is, amsn sounds don't occur, same with xchat
[05:43] <catolh> Does anyone know of a plugin for xmms / x-chat that makes me show others on x-chat what song im currently playing?
[05:43] <chibifs> Yeah, they should have use ALSA, ESD, or Gnome default in them somewhere. :P
[05:43] <catolh> others on irc* i mean.. heh
[05:43] <Dr_Melectaus> Dr_Willis, no luck
[05:44] <chibifs> I don't use those in particular, but they /should/ :P
[05:44] <zerboxx> chibifs: If given an option, I should select "esd"?
[05:44] <zerboxx> chibifs: How do you get it to work?
[05:45] <phanter> somebody please help me. My timesettings are getting really on my nerves, I tried everything a 100 times. How can I see what the hardware time is, how can I set this to the system time and does it (automaticly) kn ow that we are in summer daylight saving time ?
[05:45] <catolh> uhm, btw.. i recently installed gnome-baker.. how do i start it?.. heh
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> not sure what to tell ya then Dr_Melectaus  - if a clean reboot with the disk in the drive  and its still unable to see it.. sounds like the dvd may be dirty.. or the drive is flakey.. wiich is rare
[05:45] <chibifs> Like I said, I don't use either, but I usually have things use ALSA or ESD, and if you haft aRts installed, open kconfig and switch the sound daemon to esd.
[05:45] <eruin> catolh, it should be in Applications -> Accessories
[05:45] <zerboxx> chibifs: So you only have one thing playing sound at a time?
[05:46] <catolh> eruin, is it any good btw?
[05:46] <Dr_Melectaus> Dr_Willis, i just installed it on my windows pc no more than an hour ago
[05:46] <eruin> catolh, sure
[05:46] <eruin> catolh, I prefer rhythmbox for audio cds though ;)
[05:46] <chibifs> Well, the purpose of esd/aRts would be so you can play multiple sounds at a time on a single channel soundcard :P
[05:47] <catolh> eruin, ok, thanks :)
[05:49] <Hajuu> Hey uhm.. following the wiki guide for installing java... I just dpkg'd it... But when I move onto trying to apt-get install it, apt-get doesnt know where the package file is.. and I can't find where it was put either...
[05:49] <yaeyo> anyone running ubuntu on mini-itx hardware?
[05:50] <zerboxx> Anyone know how to help with my amsn (not starting, not doing anything) or my gnome-pilot (freezes and is just being plain stupid) problems?
[05:50] <chibifs> zerboxx - Restarted gnome in a while?
[05:51] <chibifs> Possible you have crazy broken threads laying around.
[05:51] <zerboxx> chibifs: does ctrl-alt-backspace restart gnome?
[05:51] <chibifs> yeah.
[05:51] <zerboxx> chibifs: Then I have many times
[05:51] <chibifs> Hmm.
[05:52] <chibifs> When did it start?
[05:52] <zerboxx> chibifs: What start?
[05:53] <chibifs> The amsn and gnome-pilot being broken
[05:53] <ed1t> how do i install a font?
[05:53] <zerboxx> chibifs: amsn this morning (maybe 2 hours ago) gnome-pilot last night wouldnt sync, but freezing this morning
[05:53] <catolh> Are microsoft's fonts copyrighted?.. :p
[05:54] <chibifs> ed1t - a random true type from the internet?
[05:54] <catolh> I mean, like the fonts included in for example WinXP
[05:54] <ed1t> chibifs, yea
[05:54] <chibifs> catolh - On a non-commercial free use liscence.
[05:54] <chibifs> You can use them, but not for profit.
[05:54] <ed1t> chibifs, i downloaded the fonts from the internet
[05:54] <Hajuu> can't ANYONE help me with my java woes?
[05:55] <ed1t> Hajuu, sup
[05:55] <chibifs> ed1t - Just a second.
[05:55] <catolh> chibifs, so why not include them in a linux distro? like ubuntu?
[05:55] <chibifs> catolh - Because you'd have to read the liscence for each font during install.
[05:55] <linukso> Mounting nfs drives in ubuntu is terribly slow. any reason for this?
[05:55] <catolh> ouch..
[05:55] <catolh> oh well.. :p
[05:56] <ed1t> Hajuu, wats the problem?
[05:56] <chibifs> You can easily get them though
[05:56] <Hajuu> ed1t:  following the wiki guide for installing java (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java)... I just dpkg'd it... but when I move onto trying to apt-get install it, apt-get doesnt know where the package file is.. and I can't find where it was put either... It doesnt seem that dpkg told me either
[05:56] <catolh> You could solve that by installing the fonts as a package.. and showing the liscence once.. :p
[05:56] <HappyFool> chibifs: do you have any proof for this assertion? There were some 'web' fonts released under a different license, but not all windows fonts
[05:56] <catolh> like "The microsoft font package - Read liscence" etc..
[05:56] <chibifs> Install the mstcorefonts package from the multiverse.
[05:56] <ed1t> Hajuu, so apt-get install java-package cant find the package?
[05:57] <chibifs> I belive it's in the multiverse, anyway, possibly the universe.
[05:57] <Hajuu> no... apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5debian -- that line
[05:57] <Hajuu> dpkg -i sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb
[05:57] <Hajuu> after that
[05:57] <chibifs> HappyFool - The ones free for download make up the massive majority :P
[05:58] <HappyFool> Hajuu: if you have used 'dpkg -i' to install a deb file, you don't need to use apt-get
[05:58] <chibifs> catolh - apt-get install msttcorefonts
[05:58] <HappyFool> Hajuu: what .deb file did you install?
[05:58] <subiiminal> what is the difference in the three kernels for the hoary 386 base install?
[05:59] <ed1t> Hajuu, try sun-j2sdk1.5
[05:59] <zerboxx> chibifs: It appears fully restarting has fixed amsn...
[05:59] <chibifs> subiiminal - 686 kernel is for High Intel processors, k7 kernel is for AMD Athlon+
[05:59] <Hajuu> HappyFool:  I'm just reading this off the wiki.. and after the dpkg.. the command "java" still does nothing.
[05:59] <chibifs> zerboxx - Then it was probably a thread running lower than X.
[06:00] <HappyFool> Hajuu: where did you get the .deb file from? did you make it with make-jpkg, or download it?
[06:00] <subiiminal> chibifs: i've got linux 386, linux-image 386 and linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[06:00] <Hajuu> ed1t:  Nope, no good either.
[06:00] <Hajuu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java  -- Read that. I made it. Just like it says to.
[06:00] <chibifs> subiiminal - Oh, those are just depend-on-eachother things.
[06:00] <HappyFool> Hajuu: ok, and were there error messages when you ran dpkg -i ?
[06:00] <subiiminal> chibifs: so which do i choose?
[06:01] <Hajuu> Nope. No errors.
[06:01] <HappyFool> Hajuu: ok, you installed the jdk, not the jre, right?
[06:01] <chibifs> subiiminal - It doesn't matter, they all lead to 2.6.10-5
[06:01] <HappyFool> Hajuu: what does 'dpkg -l sun\*|grep ^ii' output? (if anything)
[06:01] <subiiminal> oh, ok cheers
[06:02] <Hajuu> naw I put on j2re
[06:02] <HappyFool> Hajuu: ok, run that command anyway
[06:02] <chibifs> ed1t - Still looking for the directory, almost there.
[06:02] <Hajuu> ii  sun-j2re1.5    1.5.0+update03 Java(TM) 2 RE, Standard Edition, Sun Microsy
[06:02] <HappyFool> Hajuu: ok, so it's installed
[06:02] <ed1t> chibifs, k
[06:03] <Hajuu> but when I type "java" nothing happens...
[06:03] <Hajuu> "command not found"
[06:03] <apokryphos> Hajuu: /usr/bin/java exist?
[06:03] <chibifs> ed1t - Try copying it as root to /usr/share/fonts/truetype
[06:03] <zwnj> is DynDNS still free?
[06:03] <Hajuu> apokryphos:  Nope...
[06:03] <HappyFool> Hajuu: hmm
[06:03] <HappyFool> Hajuu: /usr/bin/java is not part of that package
[06:04] <nophix> zwnj: yes, the basic stuff
[06:04] <apokryphos> Hajuu: the package didn't install properly, apparently. Did you install from backports?
[06:04] <apokryphos> HappyFool: it should be
[06:04] <HappyFool> Hajuu: try this: /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java
[06:04] <Hajuu> I downloaded the package manually and installed using the WiKi guide.
[06:04] <ed1t> chibifs, nope
[06:04] <HappyFool> apokryphos: yeah, i have it symlinked -- though i didn't do that manually
[06:04] <Hajuu> ah that works HappyFool
[06:04] <subiiminal> chibifs: /usr/bin/dpkg returns an error code :-/ dodgy cd...
[06:04] <apokryphos> Hajuu: hm, no wonder. I think it's pretty stupid that they still recommend that on the wiki, but hey.
[06:05] <apokryphos> Hajuu: all you really have to do is enable backports and install that one package
[06:05] <HappyFool> well, i followed something similar to the wiki instructions, and mine works
[06:05] <chibifs> subiiminal - Are you using expert install?
[06:05] <subiiminal> chibifs: nope
[06:05] <HappyFool> let me go and get seveas instructions
[06:05] <Seveas> pong
[06:05] <Hajuu> apokryphos:  Meh. I've never compiled anything or anything so its been a good experience.
[06:05] <Seveas> wazzup?
[06:05] <chibifs> ed1t - Did you restart whatever program you were tryting to select fonts with?
[06:06] <HappyFool> Seveas: just discussing jre installs
[06:06] <chibifs> Usually needs an X restart of some sort, if I remember right.
[06:06] <apokryphos> Hajuu: ok, cool then =)
[06:06] <Seveas> HappyFool: To install java on Ubuntu: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, sudo aptitude install fakeroot java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , sudo dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[06:06] <HappyFool> Seveas: Hajuu followed the wiki but has no /usr/bin/java symlink to the binary
[06:06] <ed1t> chibifs, i refreshed the FF browser, im trying to see the fonts on the website
[06:06] <Seveas> hmm, then the wiki is erroneous
[06:06] <apokryphos> Seveas: why not use the backports package?
[06:06] <HappyFool> Seveas: it's dated, afaik
[06:06] <HappyFool> i'll update it after i shower
[06:06] <Seveas> apokryphos, enabling backports just for this isn't too good :)
[06:06] <chibifs> subiiminal - Are you trying to install warty? You shouldn't need to select a kernel.
[06:06] <apokryphos> Seveas: why?
[06:07] <Seveas> this works just as well, the BP package is created this way
[06:07] <chibifs> ed1t - Firefox fonts need to be configured manually with the font config menu.
[06:07] <HappyFool> Hajuu: maybe just do this 'sudo ln -s  /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java /usr/bin/java' to get java in your path
[06:07] <subiiminal> chibifs: hoary (5.0..)
[06:07] <ed1t> chibifs, k
[06:08] <chibifs> subiiminal - linux-386 should work fine, I'm curious why it asked though. :/
[06:08] <subiiminal> chibifs: iirc it didnt the first time, and errord and it has errord again :-/
[06:08] <apokryphos> Seveas: the non-backport method is more of a hassle, it seems
[06:09] <chibifs> subiiminal - Burn the cd slower. 8x max, I recommend 4.
[06:09] <Hajuu> HappyFool:   http://pastebin.com/319690
[06:09] <subiiminal> chibifs: okay, ty
[06:09] <GIOJOTOCA> hello
[06:09] <chibifs> Chances are you burned too quick and corrupted a block of a compressed file.
[06:09] <GIOJOTOCA> good morningth
[06:09] <HappyFool> hmm, maybe i go the order wrong. stand by
[06:10] <HappyFool> Hajuu: oh, you do have a /usr/bin/java
[06:10] <HappyFool> Hajuu: odd
[06:10] <chibifs> ed1t - Firefox is really dodgy about custom fonts, it tends to only stick to font categories (Sans, Sans Serif, Monospace)
[06:10] <HappyFool> Hajuu: if you just run 'java' now, what happens?
[06:11] <Hajuu> Same thing... bash: /usr/bin/java: No such file or directory
[06:11] <HappyFool> oh, maybe /usr/bin/java got symlinked somewhere wrong
[06:11] <ed1t> chibifs, ooo k thx for your help
[06:11] <ed1t> its not a big deal
[06:11] <Hajuu> how very strange, eh?
[06:11] <HappyFool> Hajuu: 'sudo ln -sf  /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java /usr/bin/java'
[06:11] <Seveas> Hajuu, what does which java say?
[06:11] <catolh> Does ubuntu support "Logitech Media Keyboard"  ? like, the volume keys and all that..?
[06:12] <HappyFool> Hajuu: the wiki doesn't have a 'fakeroot' -- maybe that's the problem
[06:12] <HappyFool> Hajuu: anyway, hopefully it's fixed now
[06:12] <HappyFool> catolh: look under system -> preferences -> keyboard shortcuts
[06:12] <HappyFool> catolh: you can enable some stuff (volume control, e.g.) there
[06:12] <zerboxx> What is the command for esd to play a sound? is it esdplay $sound?
[06:13] <GIOJOTOCA> i need you help in spanish
[06:13] <didier> helo
[06:13] <Hajuu> sudo ln -sf  /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java /usr/bin/java -- returns nothing.
[06:13] <HappyFool> Hajuu: that's fine
[06:13] <HappyFool> Hajuu: now type 'java' ?
[06:13] <Hajuu> oooh works now
[06:13] <Hajuu> what was the problem?
[06:13] <HappyFool> zerboxx: maybe 'totem <the wav file>' -- i don't know if esd has a specific utility
[06:13] <HappyFool> Hajuu: /usr/bin/java is a symlink; they can point to non-existent files
[06:14] <HappyFool> Hajuu: which is probably what was happening
[06:14] <zerboxx> HappyFool: I'm just attempting to get x-chat and amsn to use esd, rather than..whatever they use
[06:14] <catolh> HappyFool, thanks.. do you know any media players that supports the "next/previous track" shortcut? Cause xmms doesnt.
[06:14] <Hajuu> ok so how did sudo ln -sf  /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java /usr/bin/java fix that?
[06:14] <Hajuu> whats ln?
[06:14] <simonk> Can someone please explain the difference between universe, multiverse and restricted?
[06:14] <Hajuu> oh I see
[06:14] <Hajuu> cool
[06:14] <Hajuu> thanks
[06:15] <HappyFool> catolh: um. not sure, maybe rhythmbox
[06:15] <GIOJOTOCA> hablan espaol
[06:15] <catolh> HappyFool, ok, ill try it out. Thanks again :)
[06:15] <Hajuu> One more question. Anyone got any idea as to why my XMMS fails to connect to any ASX streaming audio?
[06:15] <apokryphos> !components
[06:15] <ubotu> hmm... components is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[06:15] <HappyFool> zerboxx: ah, sorry. try aplay, maybe
[06:15] <apokryphos> simonk: check that link
[06:15] <zerboxx> Can someone please tellme, is this a recommended/not recommended sound fix? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[06:15] <zerboxx> HappyFool: Doesn't work
[06:16] <HappyFool> zerboxx: hmm. ok, sorry. my sound Just Works, don't know any hairy details
[06:16] <zerboxx> HappyFool: At least I don't believe it does :s
[06:16] <catolh> HappyFool, yay, rhythmbox supports it.. :D
[06:16] <simonk> apokryphos: Thanks! I've been looking all over for that page.
[06:16] <simonk> ap
[06:16] <simonk> Whoops
[06:17] <acid2> Hey there, I am trying to access a friends shared folder over the network
[06:17] <acid2> I've mounted his computer, but when I double click it on the desktop it doesnt open saying it could be "insecure"
[06:23] <Seveas> teferi, awake yet..?
[06:23] <Seveas> or still drunk..? :)
[06:24] <suldal> My ubuntu doesn't detect dvds
[06:25] <suldal> any thoughts?
[06:25] <hybrid_goth> dvd drive detected?
[06:25] <suldal> By the way.... im a newbie
[06:25] <suldal> the drive is detected and i can play anything but dvds
[06:26] <hybrid_goth> are the dvdsa compatiable; burned write; encrypted; copyrighted?
[06:26] <yuacht> hey.,.,. i'm gonna switch my soundcard from my built-in crappy card to an old sb live! card.. what should i do to config this? i will first off just put it in the computer but then what?
[06:26] <hybrid_goth> or none of the above
[06:26] <hybrid_goth> yuacht: is linux already installed
[06:26] <suldal> i dont know. I just a couple of original dvd's
[06:26] <suldal> tryed
[06:26] <yuacht> hybrid_goth, yes
[06:26] <qt2> is there a simple way to find out your disk usage?
[06:26] <yuacht> dpkg-reconfig alsa or what?
[06:27] <hybrid_goth> yuacht: if it is supported you shouldnt have to do anything
[06:27] <suldal> corection:  I just tryed a couple of dvdsvd's
[06:27] <Seveas> yuacht, it miht help to disable the onboard sound in the bios
[06:27] <hybrid_goth> linux will recognize it on boot
[06:27] <Seveas> qt2, df -h
[06:27] <hybrid_goth> yuacht: maybe
[06:27] <yuacht> Seveas, will do that
[06:27] <yuacht> thanks
[06:27] <yuacht> btw can i leave dmix on?
[06:27] <Seveas> probably
[06:27] <yuacht> the point of switching to sb live is to make it use its default hardware mixing in the card
[06:27] <hybrid_goth> suldal: did you write them
[06:28] <suldal> write?
[06:28] <hybrid_goth> are they pressed like Matrix box
[06:28] <hybrid_goth> suldal: did you burn these dvds
[06:28] <suldal> no
[06:28] <suldal> all original
[06:28] <hybrid_goth> ok
[06:29] <hybrid_goth> are the dvds compatiable; encrypted; copyrighted?
[06:29] <suldal> how do I tell?
[06:29] <hybrid_goth> Seveas: does ubuntu have a problem wite copywright>?
[06:29] <Seveas> suldal, did you install libdvdcss2 yet..?
[06:29] <hybrid_goth> Seveas: yea that would help also
[06:29] <Seveas> hybrid_goth, libdvdcss2 is not installed (or available) by default due to legal creepyness...
[06:29] <hybrid_goth> ah
[06:29] <suldal> I dident know where to find it;)
[06:30] <Kamzi> anyone got any info on how ubuntu compares to debian ??
[06:31] <hybrid_goth> suldal: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[06:31] <HappyFool> Kamzi: ubuntu is based on debian, but has a six month release cycle
[06:31] <hybrid_goth> Kamzi: newer more community no RTFM
[06:31] <Kamzi> so ubuntu does everything debian does + more ?
[06:31] <HappyFool> yeah, we have RTFWiki ;)
[06:31] <hybrid_goth> Kamzi: debian = stable ubuntu = new
[06:31] <Kamzi> rtfm ??
[06:31] <Seveas> suldal, wget http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/libdvdcss2_1.2.8-1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb
[06:31] <hybrid_goth> read the fsckin manual
[06:31] <Kamzi> kl
[06:32] <Seveas> and dpkg -i libdvdcss*.deb
[06:32] <hybrid_goth> Seveas: aint in apt?
[06:32] <Seveas> hybrid_goth, backports only
[06:32] <hybrid_goth> i thot it was in resticted
[06:32] <Seveas> this is simpler :)
[06:32] <hybrid_goth> ah
[06:32] <hybrid_goth> lol
[06:32] <Seveas> Kamzi: Ubuntu and debian have different goals, a different release schedule and different, but overlapping communities. See also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship
[06:32] <Seveas> hybrid_goth, rtfm'ing people is not-done no this channel...
[06:32] <hybrid_goth> Kamzi: if you want stable OS  go with debian. If you want a desktop go with ubuntu
[06:33] <DPadclear> If I have the three source files (dsc, diff, tar), what command do I issue to make a .deb?
[06:33] <hybrid_goth> Seveas: some debian devs get POed at ubuntu
[06:33] <Kamzi> cheers
[06:33] <satyam> hi all
[06:33] <Seveas> hybrid_goth, PO?
[06:33] <satyam> i am new to ubuntu, need to compile a C program
[06:34] <hybrid_goth> Seveas: pissed off
[06:34] <Seveas> hybrid_goth, and y the way: bullshit. Ubuntu is just as stable as debian....
[06:34] <satyam> whats the equevalent command for gcc in REDHAT
[06:34] <hybrid_goth> satyam: cc <program> if you made it
[06:34] <Seveas> satyam, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:34] <hybrid_goth> satyam: gcc or cc
[06:34] <Seveas> that installs tools like gcc
[06:35] <satyam> gcc or cc doesnt works
[06:35] <satyam> says command not found
[06:35] <Seveas> satyam, sudo apt-get install build-essential <---
[06:35] <dammage> hi, can some tell me why after installation grub just ends up with error 17 please?
[06:35] <hybrid_goth> satyam: look what Seveas said
[06:35] <dammage> I have a swap partition (hda1) and / - ext3 (hda2), nothing else
[06:36] <suldal> Sevas: I installed yours, what else needs to be done. It still wont recognice dvd's
[06:36] <tuxJr_14> hi
[06:36] <DPadclear> This is truly bazaar. Does no one here know how to build debs?
[06:36] <Seveas> dammage, looks like your grub config is messed up, can you boot from a live CD and post it
[06:36] <dammage> hi
[06:36] <pele1410> howto
[06:36] <dammage> I am currently sitting in MEPIS live CD
[06:36] <Seveas> DPadclear, sudo apt-get install maint-guide and look in /usr/share/doc/maint-guide
[06:36] <dammage> and chrooted also into ubuntu
[06:36] <satyam> is it that i need to install some compiler in ubuntu
[06:37] <dammage> moment
[06:37] <Seveas> dammage, ah nice, way ahead of me then :)
[06:37] <Seveas> satyam, sudo apt-get install build-essential <---
[06:37] <Seveas> listen!
[06:37] <satyam> ya
[06:37] <NoHope> hi all
[06:37] <chrys_seren> hi, i just messed up something idiotic: moved all files out of /bin ...
[06:37] <Seveas> chrys_seren, omg....
[06:37] <Seveas> where to?
[06:37] <chrys_seren> would someone be able to paste a directory listing somewhere?
[06:37] <chrys_seren> (to /usr/local/bin...)
[06:37] <NoHope> hey, some doc about ubuntu initialization system?
[06:38] <chrys_seren> i wanted to move ./bin/* and moved /bin/*
[06:38] <Seveas> chrys_seren, hehe
[06:38] <chrys_seren> running a warty install with most packages upgraded to hoary
[06:38] <dammage> wait a moment - this machine is too slow to run Mozilla and KDE live, ill post devices.map and menu.lst
[06:38] <Seveas> did you have a lot in /usr/local/bin already?
[06:38] <dammage> fstab also
[06:38] <suldal> Seveas: I installed yours, what else needs to be done. It still wont recognice dvd's
[06:38] <Seveas> dammage, post `fdisk -l` too
[06:38] <satyam> hey seveas what to do after this
[06:38] <Seveas> satyam, after that you have gcc...
[06:38] <Seveas> brb..
[06:39] <chrys_seren> er... i messed up more ... moved the stuff from /usr/local/bin to /usr/bin.... pure panic ...
[06:39] <dammage> ok
[06:39] <chrys_seren> so i don't know any more what was originally in   /bin/
[06:39] <Seveas> chrys_seren, /usr/local/bin usually does not conatin too much
[06:40] <HappyFool> my /usr/local/bin contains nothing
[06:40] <chrys_seren> Seveas, i know, and i'd have had my my entire /bin/ there if i hadn't compounded the error...
[06:40] <Seveas> chrys_seren, you should simply do: /usr/local/bin/mv /usr/local/bin/* /bin
[06:40] <Seveas> chrys_seren, ewww, now you moved all to /usr/bin ....?
[06:40] <othernoob> mmh, is there a way to make k3b not use the name "k3b data project" by default and use a diff one instead?
[06:41] <chrys_seren> Seveas, i know i ought to have done that. /usr/local/bin originally had only two small scripts.
[06:41] <chrys_seren> but now everything is in /usr/bin/
[06:41] <Seveas> chrys_seren, hmm, bad news, hang on
[06:41] <chrys_seren> so... machine is running b/c i copied /usr/bin to /bin/.. but that's not sustainable
[06:41] <chrys_seren> i'd just do with a directory listing for /bin/
[06:41] <dammage> a small question: chrooted env cannot acces /proc, what do I have to do to get fdisk -l?
[06:41] <subiiminal> can i check an install cd on windows, before i reboot?
[06:41] <chrys_seren> so that i know what to keep there (sh, bash... ls...)
[06:41] <chrys_seren> it's not much
[06:42] <Seveas> chrys_seren, hang on
[06:42] <chrys_seren> Seveas, thanks
[06:42] <Seveas> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/741
[06:42] <Seveas> that's an ls -al /bin
[06:42] <chrys_seren> Seveas, thanks, you're an angel
[06:42] <Seveas> hehe
[06:43] <chrys_seren> (love ubuntu, otherwise... install it where i can)
[06:43] <rndrdbrian> Quick question if you may:  Trying to add a cups printer using the print manager, the "Add a Printer" dialogue appears, but it has no buttons or icons on it.
[06:45] <Crembo> hmmm. Ubuntu - linux - for practically the first time. what a doozy. booted the live version off the super combo DVD. took 30 seconds to "configuring your network via DHCP". still had to figure out how to enable eth0, but no troubles after that. now to figure out how to raise screen refresh rate above 60Hz..
[06:45] <teferi> i'm awake, i'm awake
[06:45] <teferi> i'll update the wiki when i get home from the party. that is six hours in the future.
[06:45] <qt2> what is /.dev used for, and why's it using up 33gb? <.<;
[06:46] <dammage> so, i pasted everything: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/742
[06:46] <vader1102> qt2: wow!! I wouldn't even have a system if it was on that lol, only have a 6 gb hard disk lol
[06:47] <HappyFool> qt2: my / and /.dev have exactly the same used/available space -- i suspect it's being double-counted
[06:48] <HappyFool> qt2: about, look in 'mount' -- there's a 'bind' mount option
[06:48] <qt2> vader1102, heh, which is why i'm wondering what it is and why it's taking up so much space, as my hard drive is now full... ;)
[06:48] <HappyFool> s/about/ah
[06:48] <rndrdbrian> anyone? Problems adding printer
[06:49] <qt2> HappyFool, i dtill dont understand what it's for exactly o.O;
[06:50] <dammage> Seveas, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/742
[06:50] <HappyFool> qt2: i wouldn't worry about it -- i don't think it's real
[06:50] <qt2> rndrdbrian, tried to use synaptic to do a complete remove of cups and reinstall it?
[06:50] <teferi> HappyFool: /dev is a tmpfs
[06:50] <qt2> HappyFool, it is if it's taking up a large amount of space... <.<;
[06:50] <teferi> HappyFool: /.dev is a bind mount of antoher filesystem, I think, so that udev information doesn't get lost across reboots
[06:51] <rndrdbrian> qt2, thanks! I'll give that a shot!
[06:51] <dammage> moment, I'll reboot
[06:52] <Seveas> dammage, is your bios maybe a bit old
[06:52] <Seveas> maybe it needs LBA support switched on
[06:52] <dammage> Seveas, I had no problems with older distributions ...
[06:52] <Seveas> ok, so that's not it :)
[06:52] <dammage> and the BIOS is 1998, well, yeah, but it supports LBA and so on
[06:52] <Seveas> error 17 is 'cannot mount partition'
[06:52] <wrtpeeps> how do i mount my network, which i have found at smb://192.168.0.1
[06:53] <rndrdbrian> qt2, according to synaptic, that will remove ubuntu-desktop!
[06:53] <Seveas> but the files you pasted all look good
[06:53] <dammage> yeah, I know, but why shouldnt it be able to mount my partition?
[06:53] <Seveas> dammage, ENOIDEA (yet)
[06:53] <qt2> rndrdbrian, you can reinstall ubuntu desktop rather easily i think... o.o;
[06:53] <dammage> is it possible because of kernel 2.6?
[06:53] <dammage> i could try kernel 2.
[06:53] <dammage> 4
[06:53] <HappyFool> qt2: maybe teferi knows more; my point is, i don't think there's a file system really taking up 33GB -- i think it's reporting the usage of / under a different name
[06:54] <Seveas> no it's a grub problem
[06:54] <Seveas> not a linux problem
[06:54] <dammage> ok
[06:54] <Seveas> 17 : Cannot mount selected partition
[06:54] <Seveas>     This error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the filesystem type cannot be recognized by GRUB.
[06:54] <teferi> Seveas: itym 'EAGAIN' :)
[06:54] <qt2> rndrdbrian, read the description of ubuntu-desktop.
[06:55] <dammage> ok, thank you for your support
[06:55] <rndrdbrian> qt2, ive uninstalled cupsys, ubuntu-desktop etc and i'm reinstalling.... so far, no crashes!
[06:55] <Seveas> dammage, try setting the partition type with cfdisk
[06:55] <dammage> cfdisk? moment
[06:55] <deFrysk> 
[06:55] <nalioth> Seveas: howdy howdy
[06:56] <dammage> kinda cfdisk /dev/hda?
[06:56] <rndrdbrian> qt2, printer management applet still shows blank "Add Printer" dialogue...
[06:56] <Seveas> dammage, correct
[06:56] <Seveas> hi nalioth
[06:56] <dammage> FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive
[06:56] <dammage>                           Press any key to exit cfdisk
[06:56] <Seveas> dammage, as root ..?
[06:56] <nalioth> dammage: you have to use 'sudo'
[06:56] <dammage> as root in chroot
[06:56] <Seveas> dammage, odd :|
[06:56] <dammage> ah, in livecd env i have no problems, moment
[06:57] <Seveas> were you root outside the chroot too?
[06:57] <dammage> hda1                    Primary   Linux swap / Solaris               600.45
[06:57] <dammage>     hda2                    Primary   Linux ext3       [/]               7197.12
[06:57] <HappyFool> maybe the /dev/hd* entry isn't in the chroot
[06:58] <teferi> you know, i wish linux programs would be a little more careful with their use of terms like "FATAL"
[06:58] <Seveas> teferi, lol :)
[06:58] <HappyFool> heh
[06:58] <teferi> people tend to freak out when their computer tells them "FATAL = VERY YES"
[06:58] <Seveas> teferi, now that you are awake:
[06:58] <teferi> and to be honest, i can't blame them
 Seveas: remind me to update BinaryDriverHowto for slmodem tomorrow, please
 Seveas: and to write BluetoothHowto or osmething
[06:58] <dammage> and what kind of type should I setup if it is already linux ext3 :)?
[06:58] <H00chster> Would anyone know why when I try to use vanilla kernel 2.6.12 or 2.6.13-rc3 on Kubu AMD64 and reboot, my main drive is fine but I have /home on /dev/hdb1 and for some reason it doesn't mount it?
[06:58] <teferi> Seveas: yes, when i get home
[06:58] <Seveas> :)
[06:59] <Seveas> dammage, indeed, should be ok
[06:59] <phixion> Seveas, you should write a guide for ubuntu users
[06:59] <phixion> would save you so much time in here :)
[06:59] <dammage> I'll try lilo - with lilo everything worked here one year ago ...
[06:59] <teferi> phixion: wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:59] <Seveas> dammage, do you have a e2fs_stage1_5 in /boot/gtub?
[06:59] <dammage> Seveas, checking ...
[07:00] <Seveas> (in the chroot ofcourse)
[07:00] <Seveas> (and it's /boot/grub)
[07:00] <nalioth> phixion: seveas has written a guide >>>wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[07:00] <Seveas> nalioth, that's not mine
[07:00] <dammage> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   7744 2005-07-24 12:49 e2fs_stage1_5
[07:00] <Seveas> I've actually not written a lot on the wiki
[07:00] <Seveas> dammage, damn, that was my last idea :(
[07:01] <dammage> hehe, k, thank you, I'll try to install lilo now
[07:01] <dammage> moment
[07:01] <tim> what does it mean when something breaks? from ubuntuforums.org: "Breezy will break, often..." I just dont understand how software could 'break'.
[07:01] <dammage> gotta add remote repos to apt
[07:01] <rndrdbrian> So i'm unable to install printer
[07:01] <hybrid_goth> tim: bugs flaws etc
[07:01] <teferi> tim: it is probable that after you do a dist-upgrade and, say, restart X, X will no longer start
[07:01] <Seveas> tim, it's actually: "developers tend to break the breezy software a lot during improvements that require radical changes"
[07:01] <teferi> (with breezy)
[07:01] <nalioth> Seveas: you have had NOTHING to do with the wiki?
[07:01] <teferi> or that your MTA will no longer delvier mail
[07:02] <hybrid_goth> tim: X is broken so you GUI (gnome kde xfce) may never work
[07:02] <teferi> or that...well, you get the idea
[07:02] <nalioth> Seveas: i find that very hard to believe
[07:02] <lordfreak> ohhhhhh
[07:02] <teferi> things will misbehave
[07:02] <Seveas> nalioth, look at wiki.u.c/DennisKaarsemaker
[07:02] <Seveas> it has links to all I have written
[07:02] <lordfreak>  anyone knows if its posible to put an Image to show in GAIM ???
[07:02] <dammage> 5.04 is hoary, right?
[07:02] <Seveas> and sure I edited a few pages a bit, but not that much...
[07:02] <Seveas> dammage, correct
[07:02] <tim> ok ok...i see. thanks
[07:02] <H00chster> Is anyone running AMD64 with Vanilla Kernel?
[07:02] <Seveas> lordfreak, it is
[07:02] <lordfreak> Ohhhh xD
[07:02] <nalioth> Seveas: so you're telling me that all the info you impart in here, doesnt make it into the wiki by helpful little elvi? (such as myself?)
[07:02] <ccc> lordfreak: yes, under 'accounts'
[07:03] <hybrid_goth> lordfreak: #gaim?
[07:03] <nJess> how do i install nfs ?
[07:03] <lordfreak> Seveas.... You again.... The best :*
[07:03] <amel> hello!
[07:03] <lordfreak> JAJAJAJA
[07:03] <Seveas> lordfreak, tools -> accounts, select account, hit edit
[07:03] <Seveas> nJess, aptitude install nfs-kernel-server (nfs client is there already)
[07:03] <qt2> rndrdbrian, why would it crash...?
[07:03] <lordfreak> I am still Tuning my Ubuntu..... Thanks Seveas :P ccc and co
[07:04] <lordfreak> Iam going to try
[07:04] <Seveas> nalioth, most info I have comes from the wiki or is developed on the wiki in parallel :)
[07:04] <amel> i did a: mysqladmin -u root password db_user_password, in order to install mysql, but what is the password of the user?
[07:04] <qt2> rndrdbrian, and honestly, i have no idea as to the problem, perhaps someone else could help you more, that seems like a rather odd one.
[07:04] <wdh> hi ppls.. i've been trying to unmount an unused partition.. 'mount' complains about it being used and 'fuser' doesnt list anything using it.. Does anyone have any ideas left?
[07:04] <wdh> of course i could reboot, but i just don't feel like it :P
[07:04] <teferi> wdh: you have a shell open that has a directory on the partition as its current working directory
[07:04] <Seveas> wdh, lsof | grep /mountpoint/ show nothing too?
[07:04] <teferi> check your terminal windowsa
[07:05] <tim> might it be possible that my X11 is broken? ive editted the config to only display 1280x1024, but when ever i start it up, always 1280x768(so all my stuff is really skinny)
[07:05] <wdh> Seveas, it does, thx :P
[07:05] <dammage> ok, updating the tree ...
[07:05] <amel> can anyone tell me that?
[07:05] <MagiPink> Huh... I don't think Ubuntu likes my video card. :3
[07:05] <teferi> wdh: was i right, out of curiosity?
[07:05] <wdh> but wth is 'gam_serve'?
[07:05] <Seveas> amel, #mysql perhaps
[07:05] <Seveas> wdh, gamin, file alteration monitor
[07:05] <wdh> teferi, you weren't right
[07:05] <nalioth> wdh: do you run kubuntu?
[07:05] <rndrdbrian> anyone?  The "Add a Printer" dialogue appears, but it is blank
[07:05] <hybrid_goth> MagiPink: Ubuntu doesnt like anything it is a very angry distro
[07:06] <wdh> nalioth, nope..
[07:06] <teferi> sorry
[07:06] <nalioth> wdh: hmm do you run any kde apps?
[07:06] <MagiPink> It won't let me play 3D games... Heh.
[07:06] <dammage> Use LBA32 for addressing big disks using new BIOS features (liloconfig asks) , hdd is 8.5 Gigs small, should I say yes or no?
[07:06] <wdh> nalioth, sometimes
[07:06] <Seveas> nalioth, gam_serve isn't KDE specific :)
[07:07] <Seveas> dammage, yes
[07:07] <vader1102> I may try kubuntu sometime soon, right now just getting used to Ububtu period lol
[07:07] <dammage> ok
[07:07] <wdh> Seveas, gam_serve seems to think it needs to preserve some Trash-file
[07:07] <Seveas> wdh, simply kill gam_serve :)
[07:07] <nalioth> wdh: iirc, gam_server has something to do with kde file managment/organization
[07:07] <dammage> grr (in chroot): Fatal: open /dev/hda2: Permission denied
[07:07] <ccc> H00chster: i am (amd64 on hoary x86)
[07:08] <digitalfox> nalioth, both KDE and GNOME
[07:08] <H00chster> ccc: Have you compiled a vanilla kernel?
[07:08] <digitalfox> nalioth, what it does is notify nautilus/konq of changes in the file system
[07:08] <Crembo> wow, hehehe. so I got Ubuntu live to work. first time with linux. took a while to configure my network through DHCP, then threw it out the windows - I had to figure out how to enable eth0 myself. meanwhile, the screen is stuck at 60hz and the default screensaver is taxing my radeon9800 so hard my fans go all the way up to "real noisy".
[07:08] <Seveas> dammage, before chrooting: mount -o bind /dev /chroot/dev
[07:08] <nalioth> wdh: see digitalfox's answer
[07:09] <digitalfox> try killing gam_server then mv'ing a file to your desktop from commandline
[07:09] <digitalfox> it won't show up
[07:09] <Seveas> :)
[07:09] <digitalfox> until you refresh your desktop
[07:09] <dammage> ok, moment, thanks for the hint (i did a plain chroot)
[07:09] <wdh> gam_serve doesnt seem to get killed :S
[07:09] <Seveas> dammage, mount -o bind /proc /chroot/proc will help too
[07:09] <digitalfox> wdh, sometimes it hangs for no reason
[07:09] <Seveas> wdh, it's gam_server
[07:09] <ccc> H00chster: no, sorry
[07:09] <rndrdbrian> hmmm, managed to add printer via localhost:631
[07:10] <nalioth> wdh: i kill mine all the time
[07:10] <Nerull> Hi can anyone help me on a good howto to put up an e-mail server?
[07:10] <wdh> Seveas, it just comes up with another PID and still seems to lock /windows
[07:10] <wdh> (the dir i wanted to unmount/delete)
[07:10] <dammage> Seveas, whereby /chroot is my ubuntu mount point, right?
[07:10] <H00chster> ccc: thanks for the reply, was trying to clean up kernel and install ATI drivers etc, boots fine to default kernel, but vanilla boots up and even into KDE login, but I have /home mounted from /dev/hdb1 and it doens't mount it for some reason, all is fine in /etc/fstab etc any ideas?
[07:11] <tim> im trying to find some gnome panel 'plugins'...you know, those little buttons that launch or display stuff. what is the correct name for these items so that i can search for them?
[07:11] <Nerull> Quikstart
[07:11] <nalioth> tim: panel applets
[07:11] <tim> ahh, applets. thank you
[07:11] <rndrdbrian> bizzarre, anyway, at least printer works now.
[07:11] <Seveas> dammage, correct
[07:12] <dammage> Reading boot sector from /dev/hda2 - and then the fatal error, hmm, but i have an idea
[07:12] <Nerull> Hi can anyone help me on a good howto to put up an e-mail server?
[07:12] <dammage> maybe it is because of mounted hda2, i'll try to install it to a floppy
[07:12] <dabaR> Nerull: google likely. Or the wiki.
[07:12] <dammage> what should I specify as a floppy - root or boot in the configuration file?
[07:13] <Nerull> dabaR Wiki stands for ?
[07:13] <dabaR> wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:13] <Nerull> I know but i was wondering where Wiki stands for.
[07:14] <ccc> H00chster: sorry for my reply slowness :) but that's weird. you're sure the fstab is correct? then i have no idea.
[07:14] <dabaR> what? You mean, you want to know the meaning of the word wiki?
[07:14] <Nerull> Yes.
[07:14] <regeya_> wiki-wiki == fast
[07:14] <dabaR> Nerull: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki
[07:14] <H00chster> ccc: ya fstab is the same as the default kernel and it mounts fine, it is proc first then my boot drive for root /  and then /home  so it is in order.  Gotta be something in kernel but I am lost lmao, thanks for the help!
[07:14] <ateves_> is anyone using sidecandy plugins for gdesklets?
[07:14] <regeya_> as in this quote from Blue Hawaii starring Elvis Presley:  "Wiki-wiki, to the beach!"
[07:15] <dabaR> for words, en.wikipedia.org, for searches, google.
[07:16] <iceman> anyone know where i can find benchmarks comparing a P4 2.8 Ghz ... to a AMD 64  2800 ..... compared ...
[07:16] <vader1102> well all it is time for me to go and eat a littl bit of lunch; see you in an hour or so
[07:16] <qt2> iceman, google.
[07:16] <dabaR> iceman: google?
[07:16] <dabaR> vader1102: see ya.
[07:16] <gigaclon> iceman goole
[07:17] <dabaR> haha, three diff autocompletions.
[07:17] <vader1102> iceman: google works great!
[07:17] <lonetree> hello all
[07:17] <Une-ga-dihi> anyone know how to have ThunderBird check /var/mail?
[07:18] <qt2> i was first, they rest of you are all just copycat googlers ;)
[07:18] <dabaR> good question.
[07:18] <dabaR> qt2: You are lucky I had to go to the washroom.
[07:18] <dabaR> and also happy for the same reason
[07:18] <iceman> WOW... the AMD is above a p4 3.2 ... nice upgrade i have in the works ...
[07:19] <Hajuu> heyy
[07:19] <Hajuu> Um.
[07:19] <gigaclon> there are 10 types of people in the world, those who use google and those that don't
[07:19] <dabaR> ya, cant wait to get my super duper fast blazin amazin processor myself...
[07:19] <mbirkis_> iceman: what was the url to the benchmark?
[07:19] <dabaR> hi all.
[07:19] <HappyFool> randomercuser
[07:19] <HappyFool> oops
[07:19] <iceman> http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=33
[07:19] <Nerull> So ubuntu have like 3 stages (Warty Warthog, Hoary Hedgehog and Breezy Badger) but how can i get my system to run as a development (Breezy badger) release ?
[07:20] <qt2> dabaR, heh, not really, i'm jsut happily sitting here listening to a podcast. ;)
[07:20] <thenuke> Nerull: no you do not want to have breezy.
[07:20] <mbirkis_> gigaclon: lol... it kinda lost it's meening with! :D
[07:20] <dabaR> Nerull: why, tho?
[07:20] <Nerull> thenuke why not ?
[07:20] <thenuke> Nerull: :-) if you can handle it, you know how to do it ;)
[07:20] <thenuke> Nerull: it will brake.
[07:20] <Nerull> lol
[07:20] <HappyFool> Nerull: somewhere on www.ubuntulinux.org, there's probably an install CD
[07:20] <dabaR> qt2: what, you are not happy I pseudo went washroom
[07:20] <thenuke> Nerull: it will break I mean t say
[07:20] <Hajuu> I am on a dialup connection and because the Gnome dialup program sucks majorly.. I'm using pon and poff... But uhm.. I never get told when my connection has been disconnected... Is there an applet or something for this?
[07:20] <thenuke> Nerull: and its not matter of LOL
[07:21] <Nerull> HappyFool the only version i can find if Hoary Hedgehog.
[07:21] <thenuke> Nerull: you aint developer :P it is not for you ;) sorry ;)
[07:21] <HappyFool> Nerull: alternatively, install hoary, change /etc/apt/sources.list to point to breezy instead of hoary and do a 'dist-upgrade'
[07:21] <dabaR> HappyFool: an install cd for breeezy? I doubt it.
[07:21] <dammage> ok, ive got an idea, installing lilo on floppy ... formatting :)
[07:21] <HappyFool> Nerull: look for 'colony' cds; i think that's what they're called
[07:21] <dabaR> thenuke: well, there is ppl that are not developers that use it.
[07:21] <thenuke> dabaR: well, some of them know how to handle it.
[07:21] <dabaR> Nerull: why use it? there is nothing special, just more trouble.
[07:21] <Nerull> Indeed its only for the newest releases of packages that i wanna have :)
[07:22] <thenuke> dabaR: and they who do know how to, absolutely wont ask the chanell about how to upgrade :D
[07:22] <wdh> YAY, i finally managed to unmount the partition held locked by gam_server. I had to run 'killall gam_server' and 'umount' in one line  a few times :P
[07:22] <HappyFool> Nerull: gentoo may be more to your taste; or debian testing/unstable
[07:22] <thenuke> Nerull: how about the backports then?
[07:22] <dabaR> agreed on those points first time you said it, thenuke
[07:22] <Nerull> I dont know anything about that thenuke
[07:22] <qt2> dabaR, err, that's really your business, not mine.
[07:22] <dabaR> wdh, you are now a hacker like the rest of us...
[07:22] <dabaR> qt2: come on, rejoice, dude.
[07:23] <qt2> dabaR, i'm sure i will someday.
[07:23] <rndrdbrian> thanks for the help re: printer, I now have it working.
[07:23] <qt2> dabaR, now its my turn to go to the tangible washroom ;)
[07:23] <dabaR> HappyFool: you have weird suggestions.
[07:23] <rndrdbrian> added cupsys to shadow in /etc/group, which let me add the printer using localhost:631 webadmin
[07:23] <HappyFool> dabaR: yzat?
[07:23] <dabaR> qt2: wow, I am so happy:)
[07:23] <dabaR> lol
[07:24] <dabaR> all right, enough about that.
[07:24] <dabaR> HappyFool: well, you saw how noone else told him how to upgrade, and you did.
[07:24] <thenuke> Nerull: add these to your sources
[07:24] <thenuke> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[07:24] <thenuke> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[07:24] <Hajuu> hey uhm... Anyone know something I can use to record streaming audio directly to MP3 file?
[07:24] <BollocksMacenzie> Anyone ever installed Unreal Tournament under ubuntu? Having a little trouble running it.
[07:24] <HappyFool> dabaR: *shrug* if people have been warned, i see no reason to stand in their way
[07:24] <sophtpaw> does anyone have any experience of how ubuntu functions with dial-up?
[07:24] <dabaR> then, also, maybe gentoo is more for you is a weird thing to say.
[07:24] <thenuke> Nerull: because I really doubt that you really want to try to break your system ;)
[07:25] <Hajuu> sophtpaw:  I do.
[07:25] <sophtpaw> ok
[07:25] <HappyFool> not everyone has the same requirements; some people like to play with bleeding edge software
[07:25] <dabaR> BollocksMacenzie: yes, any people have installed it.
[07:25] <thenuke> breezy is under development, it is not stable :)
[07:25] <BollocksMacenzie> sophtpaw: Yep, what do you need?
[07:25] <Nerull> So if i use those reps i would be okay ?
[07:25] <pking1977> I am having a strange problem installing ubuntu.. The cd stops right after you hit enter for a normal install
[07:25] <dabaR> HappyFool: agreed. Still ubuntu is as good a choice as any:) jj, cool.
[07:25] <pking1977> has anyone had anything remotely close to that?
[07:25] <Nerull> thenuke so if i use these i would be okay ?
[07:26] <sophtpaw> Hajuu-its just one on the community forum, someone said that ubuntu likes a fat pipe (broadband) or something
[07:26] <Hajuu> Yeah...
[07:26] <Hajuu> Um.
[07:26] <dammage> Seveas, how can I access host's /dev/ devices in chroot? I have access denied to all /chroot/dev devices ...
[07:26] <Hajuu> Don't use the GNOME connection manager.
[07:26] <sophtpaw> I'm trying to get a friend to emigrate from windoze to ubuntu, but he's concerned because he only has dial-up
[07:26] <dabaR> pking1977: the intallation cd can get corrupted if downloading the iso from the web.
[07:26] <HappyFool> pking1977: hmm, sounds awkward. Do you have windows or another linux/other OS installed?
[07:26] <thenuke> Nerull: yup, although it is possible that those backports two can break something but if that happens, they will only break one or two programs on your box. and you can easily fix it up then
[07:26] <Hajuu> Use the command line "pon" "poff" and "pppconfig"
[07:26] <sophtpaw> i want to be able to  reassure him
[07:26] <dabaR> pking1977: verify its md5sum or something.
[07:26] <BollocksMacenzie> debaR: It says...dirname: too few arguments *then* Couldn't run Unreal Tournament (ut-bin). Is UT_DATA_PATH set?
[07:26] <Hajuu> Well i'm on dialup right now.
[07:26] <Hajuu> Runs better than it did on windows.
[07:26] <Hajuu> :)
[07:26] <dammage> e.g. user@chroot# fdformat /dev/fd0 - permission denied
[07:27] <sophtpaw> hehe
[07:27] <zth> what's the terminal command to get the mouse running? using usb and forgot to plug it in before start
[07:27] <Hajuu> Just not so good for doing multiple things simultaniously
[07:27] <thenuke> Nerull: backports have newest versions of most common packages, so I think that those are what you need
[07:27] <Hajuu> Cause' its flow control is somewhat impaired.
[07:27] <dabaR> thenuke: leave backports commented out when not gettting a program from them.
[07:27] <sophtpaw> k
[07:27] <dabaR> Hajuu: what was your question again?
[07:28] <Hajuu> "Anyone know something I can use to record streaming audio directly to MP3 file? On linux ofcourse."
[07:28] <sexcopter8000m> how can i clear the drop-down list of previous searches in the search for files thing in ubuntu?
[07:28] <BollocksMacenzie> Has anyone got any ideas on what to do?
[07:28] <dabaR> ah, well, did you ask synaptic?
[07:28] <dammage> ... or what variable do I have to modify to make the host system to find libraries in /chroot/lib?
[07:29] <Hajuu> How do I do that? just search for recorder? :/
[07:29] <Hajuu> lol
[07:29] <dabaR> streamripper
[07:29] <dabaR> or something.
[07:29] <dmk2004> ubuntu hoary x64  - ATI Drivers available via synaptic?
[07:29] <BollocksMacenzie> Ah! I've got to go... L8R...
[07:29] <dabaR> stream is a good keyword there.
[07:29] <Hajuu> Ok found one tool for it.. but its only for shoutcast stations...
[07:30] <qt2> Hajuu, streamripper?
[07:30] <dabaR> Hajuu: see that is elling you to switch to shoutcast;
[07:30] <yuacht> ok, how do i set up dmix for soundblaster? currently it's set up for nforce 2 cards (what i used before=
[07:30] <Hajuu> Switch to shoutcast? :/ Oh ok.. I'll go tell the radio station that, dabar. :P
[07:31] <qt2> Hajuu, what exactly are you trying to do?
[07:31] <Hajuu> Can't I just configure gnome-sound-recorder to record the same data going to the lineout as opposed to capturing from the line in or mic line?
[07:31] <dabaR> sexcopter8000m: wait
[07:32] <Hajuu> qt2:  I'm listening to a digital stream of a radio station through Xine.. and I want to record it :)
[07:32] <nalioth> Hajuu: streamripper
[07:32] <Hajuu> Streamripper is just for shoutcast.
[07:33] <Hajuu> (according to synaptic)
[07:33] <Hajuu> And this uses ASX
[07:33] <nalioth> Hajuu: mmsclient
[07:33] <nJess> Hajuu, just try it
[07:33] <Hajuu> mmsclient eg
[07:33] <Hajuu> eh
[07:33] <Hajuu> Not found on my apt-get
[07:35] <qt2> Hajuu, streamtuner.
[07:35] <Hajuu> i'll give it a go :)
[07:36] <dmk2004> ubuntu hoary x64  - ATI Drivers available via synaptic?
[07:37] <HappyFool> dmk2004: not sure; have you tried the instructions on the wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto page?
[07:37] <Hajuu> Gr.. Another problem (my ONLY problem i'm having with ubuntu might I add :D) my dialup seems to suffer from severe flow control problems or something... So if one application is using my internet connection rather intensely, nothing else can use it... I'm using "pon" and "poff" to connect... Anyone have any ideas?
[07:37] <Seveas> dmk2004, if they are, they're in the restricted-modules packages
[07:37] <nalioth> Hajuu: no, you
[07:38] <Hajuu> no, me?
[07:38] <nalioth> 'll have to google it or search on sourceforge.net for it
[07:38] <Hajuu> oh yeah found the page...
[07:38] <Hajuu> sounds.. complicated heh
[07:38] <qt2> nalioth, he probably prefers to stick to apt-get... ;)
[07:38] <Hajuu> Pretty much.
[07:39] <Hajuu> I am not good at compiling etc etc.
[07:39] <nalioth> qt2: well, mmxclient, mmsrip, and other microsoft rippers dont seem to be smiled upon for inclusion with the pkgs
[07:39] <nalioth> Hajuu: well mmsclient is a very simple compile (and there are other forks of it)
[07:39] <subiiminal> whats the su password be default?
[07:39] <qt2> nalioth, heh, and your answer to w32codecs? ;)
[07:40] <apokryphos> subiiminal: no root; Ubuntu uses sudo
[07:40] <apokryphos> !rootsudo
[07:40] <ubotu> I heard rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:40] <typo> anyone know what's up with xkb in breezy?
[07:41] <hybrid> compiling gives you thing apt doesnt
[07:42] <thesilentkiller> what is the UI equivalent of apt-get?
[07:42] <Seveas> synaptic
[07:42] <Razor-X> thesilentkiller: apt-get _is_ a UI ;)
[07:42] <hybrid>  thesilentkiller: synaptic
[07:42] <thesilentkiller> :-?
[07:42] <apokryphos> thesilentkiller: Synaptic, Kynaptic, KPackage
[07:42] <Razor-X> the GUI equivalent is Synaptic
[07:42] <Seveas> Razor-X, I assume he meant GUI ;)
[07:42] <Razor-X> or Kynaptic if you're on KDE
[07:43] <Razor-X> UI == User Interface
[07:43] <hybrid> synaptic is  a front end to apt thats a front end to dpkg
[07:43] <Razor-X> GUI == Command Line Interface
[07:43] <thesilentkiller> grrr...Razor-X ok....GUI
[07:43] <thesilentkiller> X(
[07:43] <Razor-X> ;)
[07:43] <Razor-X> errr!
[07:43] <zaphands> Hello everyone! How I add a TV capture card to my Ubuntu machine?
[07:43] <Razor-X> GUI == Graphical User Interface
[07:43] <Razor-X> woops, that was stupid
[07:43] <thesilentkiller> omg....
[07:43] <Crembo> hey everyone! from Ubuntu live, how do I access my NTFS partitions?
[07:44] <dabaR> Crembo: mount it
[07:44] <zaphands> Crembo - Read Only
[07:44] <yuacht> where can i find the messages that scrolls at startup?
[07:44] <chrissturm> yuacht: dmesg
[07:44] <Crembo> read only is fine. mount it - how? I'm a complete linux newbie. that's why I went for the live version, for fear of mucking my system up.
[07:44] <Seveas> Crembo, mount -t ntfs /dev/your_ntfs_drive /path/to/mountpoint -o umask=0000
[07:44] <typo> anyone know why gnome complains about not being able to use xkb in breezy?
[07:44] <Seveas> Crembo: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[07:44] <yuacht> chrissturm, tried that, doesn't show it all
[07:44] <Seveas> that may be easier :)
[07:45] <chrissturm> typo: because X is broken in breezy
[07:45] <zaphands> does anyone know how to install new hardware?
[07:45] <Crembo> Seveas: might need to wait until I actually install Ubuntu, this way I could download and configure things :0
[07:45] <chrissturm> yuacht: /var/log/kernel.log
[07:45] <Crembo> one thing's bothering me though, and that's the screen refresh rate being stuck at 60Hz and some oddities with graphical acceleration
[07:45] <hybrid> is it say to install pkgs from a livecd?
[07:45] <Crembo> how can I raise my screen refresh rates?
[07:45] <Seveas> Crembo, that's better on installed syste,s
[07:45] <Seveas> systems*
[07:46] <zaphands> Crembo - Yodea Ivrit?
[07:46] <Seveas> Crembo: To find out how you can change your display resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:46] <Crembo> zaphans: ,     .
[07:46] <zaphands>  -
[07:46] <Seveas> Crembo, stick to english in here please...
[07:46] <typo> chrissturm: heh, that would be a good reason
[07:46] <redlounge> hi anyone. someone can tell me if it is bad for some daemons (e.g. apache mysql..) if i do not shutdown them properly?
[07:46] <zaphands> EFnet #linux.il
[07:46] <BRKN_LDR> i'm getting a problem with this module:
[07:46] <Seveas> redlounge, yes
[07:46] <Crembo> zaphands: alright, thank you.
[07:46] <BRKN_LDR> Unpacking realtime-lsm (from .../realtime-lsm_0.1.1-5_all.deb) ... / Setting up realtime-lsm (0.1.1-5) ... / Loading Realtime Linux Security Module: not found
[07:46] <Seveas> your mysql DB's can get f*ed up
[07:46] <BRKN_LDR> why the hell does xchat not give you the option to automatically remove carriage returns from pastes.
[07:47] <redlounge> Seveas, ok. short answer. what can happen? isnt the kill command at shutdown ok?
[07:47] <BRKN_LDR> can anyone give me any advise on the installation of my realtime module?
[07:47] <dodoptotron> i have trouble mounting my primary linux partition hda2. what should i write in fstab to be able to mount it?
[07:47] <Seveas> redlounge, on shutdown all initscripts are called to shut them down properly...
[07:47] <Razor-X> BRKN_LDR: that's not just XChat, that's quite a few other clients
[07:47] <redlounge> Seveas, unless i remove them from my rc6.d...
[07:47] <Hajuu> hey um... that streamripper program doesn't work with ASX's either.
[07:48] <Seveas> redlounge, that's why you shouldn't do that...
[07:48] <Hajuu> Anyone know a program that can record streaming audio from ASX's?
[07:48] <redlounge> Seveas, ;) ok. i just wanted to know what can happen to apache if i do so
[07:48] <Razor-X> Hajuu: you can always convert to ASX from another format
[07:49] <Hajuu> Huh?
[07:49] <Hajuu> Convert to asx?
[07:49] <Hajuu> I want to record this streaming audio... Not convert to ASX...
[07:49] <Razor-X> Hajuu: is there a difference?
[07:50] <Razor-X> if you record to another format, and then convert to ASX, what's the difference?
[07:50] <hybrid> Razor-X: converting loses quality
[07:50] <qt2> Hajuu, open up the .asx in a text editor, there should be a url in it, use it.
[07:50] <Hajuu> I don't want to convert to asx at all.. I don't care what its saved as.. The point is that I want to bloody save this STREAMING audio...
[07:51] <Hajuu> It's a continuous stream.. not a single file that can just be downloaded.
[07:51] <Razor-X> Hajuu: then, open up the stream, and record it using some other program
[07:51] <Hajuu> qt2:  I have the url... But it's streaming.. so I need something to record it with in real time.
[07:51] <Razor-X> Audacity has nice record support
[07:51] <Hajuu> Razor-X:  Back to my question.. "Anyone know of something that can record from an ASX stream" lol
[07:51] <Razor-X> simply hit record, and open up the stream, and remove the parts you don't need later on
[07:51] <CarlFK> Hajuu - mplayer -dumpstream
[07:51] <qt2> Hajuu, i realized that, but  the asx is just a holding format, it has another url inside it, that most likely, isnt asx.
[07:51] <Hajuu> audacity eh?
[07:52] <Hajuu> qt2:  Ofcourse it is.
[07:52] <Hajuu> The file on their server they are recording to is just an ASX
[07:52] <CarlFK> Hajuu - there is also something like streamrip or ripstream - but mplayer has worked for me
[07:52] <Hajuu> which then gets streamed out directly
[07:52] <chibifs> streamripper is best for it. :P
[07:52] <Hajuu> my mplayer is all broken.. so thats a no-go
[07:52] <CarlFK> Hajuu - url?
[07:53] <Hajuu> Streamripper is not for ASX.
[07:53] <Hajuu> url to what?
[07:53] <concept10> There is a lot of updates today
[07:53] <CarlFK> Hajuu - that you are trying to save
[07:53] <CarlFK> Hajuu - why not try to fix mplayer?  that seems like something you will do anyway
[07:54] <Hajuu> mms://202.6.74.109/triplej
[07:54] <Hajuu> Cause I don't like mplayer and never use it for anything. So it isn't worth the effort.
[07:54] <CarlFK> heh - it is now ;)
[07:54] <Hajuu> Not for one purpose.
[07:55] <nJess> isn't xine an mplayer gui
[07:55] <nJess> ?
[07:55] <citrus> no totaly different program
[07:55] <Hajuu> No xine is a sound engine like mplayer.
[07:55] <Hajuu> xine-ui is it's gui.
[07:56] <Kyral> VLC...
[07:56] <Kyral> and anyone know how I would force a version of Totem?
[07:56] <catolh> Is there an application for opening *.rar files? and files packaged and divided into *.rar , *.r00 , *.r01 etc?
[07:56] <Hajuu> oh wow. Got my mplayer going.
[07:56] <Kyral> I swear, I cycle through Xine, Totem, and VLC on a daily basis :D
[07:56] <Kyral> catolh, its unrar
[07:56] <Seveas> Kyral, in synaptic select the package and use package -> force version (or lock version if you want to force the current)
[07:56] <Kyral> it will piece them together
[07:56] <dabaR> Kyral: man apt-get
[07:56] <hybrid> Kyral: apt-get -f install <pkg> i think
[07:57] <dabaR> that will tell you how to force a version.
[07:57] <Hajuu> so --dumpstream you say, CarlFK?
[07:57] <catolh> Kyral, unrar is included in ubuntu?
[07:57] <Crembo> Seveas Crembo, mount -t ntfs /dev/your_ntfs_drive /path/to/mountpoint -o umask=0000 <- Seveas, I understood most of it from typing "man mount" but - how do I create a mount point for it to use?
[07:57] <Kyral> Seveas, I uninstalled Synaptic over a month ago
[07:57] <chibifs> xineui Is rocking. :D
[07:57] <Seveas> catolh, apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[07:57] <Kyral> what Seveas said
[07:57] <catolh> nonfree?..eh?
[07:57] <Kyral> 'cept put a sudo on there
[07:57] <CarlFK> Crembo - mkdir (or md for short)
[07:57] <Seveas> Crembo, sudo mkdir /mnt/ntfsdrive
[07:57] <chibifs> nonfree version extracts rar 3 correctly.
[07:57] <Crembo> aaah. so simple.
[07:57] <CarlFK> Seveas - mnt?
[07:57] <Seveas> catolh, it costs no money but comes without source
[07:58] <regeya_> well, my reason for xine-ui is because I have no idea how to do vidix non-root and totem doesn't like to do anything as non-user...it's just easier imho to use xine, and I doubt anyone is going to use xine-ui as a backdoor for evil hackery
[07:58] <catolh> Seveas,  ah.. and it extracts divided rar files?
[07:58] <Kyral> When the heck is T-Bird gonna enter Breezy so I can Apt-Source it?
[07:58] <Kyral> I mean T-Bird 1.0.6 :P
[07:58] <Seveas> catolh, correct
[07:58] <MartenH> Finally! A place where I might find some answers... hopefully
[07:58] <Seveas> hi MartenH :)
[07:59] <CarlFK> Hajuu - afer a few min I have a 700k file from mplayer -dumpstream mms://202.6.74.109/triplej
[07:59] <Kyral> anyone else finding breakage with Totem 1.1.3?
[07:59] <Kyral> as in it not using totem-xine?
[07:59] <catolh> Seveas, ok, thanks.. :)
[07:59] <bluefoxicy> bading ding ding ding ding ding ding ding bom bom bom bom bom ding ding ding ding bom bom ding ding ding ding
[07:59] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, wazzup?
[07:59] <Seveas> :)
[07:59] <catolh> damn crazy frog.. :p
[07:59] <Seveas> argh
[07:59] <Hajuu> so um.. if I do something like "mplayer mms://202.6.74.109/triplej -dumpfile /mnt/storage/rec/recordin1.mp3 -dumpaudio" will that rip it direct to mp3 for me?
[07:59] <Seveas>  /kill bluefoxicy
[07:59] <Seveas> :)
[08:00] <CarlFK> Hajuu - no.  I think you want mencoder for that
[08:00] <MartenH> hi Seveas
[08:00] <paulproteus> Hajuu: If the MMS thing streams an MP3, then it will dump an MP3.
[08:00] <paulproteus> It will dump bit-for-bit what the MMS thing serves you.  That's probably going to Windows Media Audio.
[08:00] <bluefoxicy> hi Seveas
[08:00] <Hajuu> mencoder.. yeah someone else directed me to that.. how do I use that to encode the stream as its being ripped?
[08:00] <CarlFK> when I play the file: Selected audio codec: [ffwmav2]  afm:ffmpeg (DivX audio v2 (FFmpeg))
[08:00] <bluefoxicy> catolh:  the vid rules and he's doing a Popcorn mix :)
[08:01] <bluefoxicy> Popcorn should be the official song of Ubuntu XD
[08:01] <paulproteus> Keep in mind that encoding to MP3 is a lossy process.
[08:01] <paulproteus> If I were you, I'd dump it in its native format and just play it in that format.
[08:01] <MartenH> I'm having a whole lot of trouble with getting WPA working, tried almost everything I've found on the net but either my configuration differs or I'm just to new to Linux to get things right :/
[08:01] <paulproteus> Otherwise, you're throwing away precious audio quality, Hajuu.
[08:01] <hybrid> Razor-X: do you have any flacs i could check out?
[08:01] <CarlFK> Hajuu - if you want to encode it as something else, you may want to try transcode - I like that better than mencoder for conversions
[08:01] <Seveas> MartenH, you've come to the right place, i'm the local WPA expert :)
[08:01] <patrickj> ello
[08:02] <CarlFK> Hajuu - I "think" either will work with the stream, but I don't know how
[08:02] <Hajuu> ah
[08:02] <Hajuu> um
[08:02] <Hajuu> ok
[08:02] <MartenH> Seveas: awsome! :) Mind if I PM to reduce the clutter?
[08:02] <Seveas> be my guest
[08:02] <paulproteus> Seveas: Wait!  Join #ubuntu-wpa
[08:02] <paulproteus> Discuss in there so I can watch, too, please.  I'm trying to learn WPA stuff.
[08:02] <CarlFK> what is the correct spelling of growisofs ?
[08:03] <Seveas> paulproteus, ok
[08:03] <typo> how can I make dpkg -l widen its columns?
[08:03] <paulproteus> typo: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l
[08:03] <patrickj> i just installed fbpanel but I dont know where the config files are.......
[08:03] <sig> is there any torrent clients in apt-get ?
[08:03] <CarlFK> dvd+rw-tools ;)
[08:03] <paulproteus> sig: apt-get install bittorrent
[08:03] <paulproteus> sig: apt-get install bittornado
[08:03] <paulproteus> apt-cache search bittorrent
[08:04] <Kyral> is Azureus in the Repos yet?
[08:04] <hybrid> yea
[08:04] <dweazle> mm .. xbase-clients is broken in breezy :(
[08:04] <hybrid> but java aint
[08:04] <typo> paulproteus: thanks
[08:04] <Kyral> minor thing to install it
[08:04] <hybrid> yea on x86 psst
[08:04] <Kyral> seriously, we should put a script into the repos that installs Java :D
[08:05] <hybrid> lol
[08:05] <paulproteus> hybrid: PPC?
[08:05] <hybrid> Kyral: sun get pissed
[08:05] <hybrid> paulproteus: yes
[08:05] <Kyral> bah Sun
[08:05] <hybrid> lol
[08:05] <paulproteus> paulproteus: Install the IBM JDK as per the Ubuntu PPC FAQ.
[08:05] <Kyral> Bah MS
[08:05] <Kyral> BAH ALL!
[08:05] <paulproteus> hybrid: Installation scripts are legit.  Distributing Sun's Java JVM is not legit.
[08:05] <sig> whats the command to start bittornado ?
[08:05] <patrickj> n/m
[08:05] <BRKN_LDR> should i be able to compile a source package for a module as long as i have the headers for my kernel?
[08:06] <hybrid> sig: bittorrnadodownload
[08:06] <sig> hmm
[08:06] <sig> doesn't work here
[08:06] <paulproteus> sig: bittorando<TAB>
[08:06] <mpathy> ogra: Hey ;) Where is the ubuntu-artwork page?!
[08:06] <hybrid> sig: if that dont work hit tab twice
[08:06] <sig> doesn't work
[08:06] <ogra> mpathy, the wiki page ?
[08:06] <paulproteus> bittornado - I made a typo.
[08:06] <mpathy> ogra: no the channel
[08:07] <sig> bittornado is already the newest version.
[08:07] <hybrid> well if you typed bittornado the hit tab twice and didnt get a nice list bittornado isnt installed (properly)
[08:07] <ogra> mpathy, #ubuntu-artwork ?
[08:07] <mpathy> ogra: what the ... i must be stupid :)
[08:07] <catolh> hm, i cant get my Gnome bittorrent to work, it just tries to connect to peers
[08:08] <ogra> mpathy, you are in there as far as i can see :)
[08:08] <catolh> i used azureus and it worked fine, but i dont want excessive applications.. and azureus looks fugly..
[08:08] <mpathy> ogra: yes, NOW I am in there :)
[08:08] <catolh> Does it need configuring?
[08:08] <qt2> Kyral, a quick search reveals the official client, bittornado, azureus and qtorrent as being in the repos
[08:08] <ogra> lol
[08:09] <catolh> Has anyone gotten gnome bittorrent to work?
[08:09] <vintendo> dawgs i got a major problem. i cant get totem or any other media player to work
[08:09] <BRKN_LDR> it works fine catolh
[08:10] <BRKN_LDR> but it has limited functionality
[08:10] <catolh> BRKN_LDR, how do i configure it?
[08:10] <kapputu> cannot access xdrive using ubuntu
[08:10] <kapputu> cannot upgrade using ubuntu
[08:10] <BRKN_LDR> catolh i never had to configure anything on it.  you just open a .tor or whatever the extension is, and it pops up and starts downloading.
[08:10] <ed1t> vintendo, you need to install he plugins to play music
[08:10] <BRKN_LDR> i don't really understand bit torrent so i don't use it.  it doesn't have a familiar file sharing app feel
[08:10] <NoHope> hey, Is there a rc.local file? Where can I put my scripts?
[08:10] <ed1t> vinboy, gstreamer0.8
[08:10] <X3N> what happens if you put the breezy repisitories into my hoary one
[08:10] <BRKN_LDR> NoHope slackware eh?
[08:11] <gimme3d> hello everybody!
[08:11] <NoHope> BRKN_LDR, I'm from Slackware.
[08:11] <sean13_> X3N: you would upgrade to brezzy once you done that
[08:11] <vintendo> ed1t were i get dat at
[08:11] <NoHope> BRKN_LDR, I can't understand SysV...
[08:11] <Brunellus> I'm setting up a dualboot Ubuntu/XP machine
[08:11] <catolh> BRKN_LDR, well.. it doesnt work with me.. I start it, pop in a torrent and it only tries to connect to peers.. them timing out on 30 seconds.. with azureus it works fine, but it looks fugly and i dont want an excessive amount of torrent managers
[08:11] <X3N> as i thought, has anyone tried it, is it stable enough yet ?
[08:11] <Razor-X> Brunellus: any problems yet?
[08:11] <morgul_> Hello
[08:11] <Brunellus> which partition do I set as bootable?
[08:11] <Hajuu> mkay.. got it ripping it to mp3 now using mplayer... But can't I listen to it while its ripping?
[08:11] <patrickj> back but I need some help because It says when I try to copy a file, that it dont exist
[08:11] <patrickj> wheres the flood room?
[08:12] <Razor-X> Brunellus: Ubuntu's partition
[08:12] <catolh> BRKN_LDR, nevermind.. heh, it started.. :p
[08:12] <qt2> BRKN_LDR, you might be interested in azureus.
[08:12] <v1ru5> hey, any ideas why i am getting wrong md5 sums for the ubuntu 5.04's iso's?
[08:12] <Brunellus> Razor-X:  if I set / as bootable, I should still be able to boot the XP partition right?
[08:12] <soultaker> hello to all
[08:12] <Razor-X> Brunellus: as long as the entry is in GRUB's menu.list, yeah
[08:12] <X3N> v1ru5, have you tried different mirrors ?
[08:12] <NoHope> BRKN_LDR, do you know some doc about it?
[08:12] <ed1t> vintendo, open up synaptic and search for gstreamer
[08:12] <Razor-X> and, Ubuntu should detect that at default
[08:12] <gimme3d> i have got a problem. I am new to linux and it took me 2 days to get my screen working with refresh>60hz, but now it works (woohoo!). But ubuntu is still using the mesa drivers, so ive got no 3d
[08:12] <patrickj> ok im going to paste my problem in flood
[08:12] <vintendo> ok thanks
[08:12] <Razor-X> Ubuntu can partition it for you as well
[08:12] <floo> can anyone help with my hp digital copier printer?
[08:12] <patrickj> can anyone help me?
[08:12] <Hajuu> CarlFK:  You still around?
[08:12] <soultaker> one question about the screen saver?
[08:12] <v1ru5> X3N: know any legit mirrors?
[08:13] <gimme3d> anyone who would help me for a minute?
[08:13] <Brunellus> Razor-X:  when does the installer generate the GRUB menu.list
[08:13] <floo> It's ausb printer and it refuses to print
[08:13] <Razor-X> Brunellus: after the system is installed
[08:13] <qt2> catolh, why not use the official client, or bittornado?
[08:13] <Razor-X> I know my partitions, but Ubuntu's installer did it all for me regardless
[08:13] <v1ru5> gimme3d: just tell us your problem
[08:13] <ed1t> v1ru5, u trying to download the ubuntu .iso image?
[08:13] <blmartin777> can I install the files (source) for my kernel
[08:13] <gimme3d> allright, thx :)
[08:13] <X3N> v1ru5, select a different one from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[08:13] <Razor-X> I just gave it a chunk of free space, simple azzat
[08:13] <v1ru5> ed1t: yep
[08:14] <Razor-X> of course, if you know you're way around partitioning, you can do more ;)
[08:14] <patrickj> can anyone help me?
[08:14] <Brunellus> OK.  because there are 2 xp partitions on here
[08:14] <v1ru5> gimme3d: what do you need help with? the driver install?
[08:14] <qt2> Hajuu, you could probably pop up another stream of it in another app?
[08:14] <NoHope> patrickj, just make the question.
[08:14] <Razor-X> Brunellus: they'll probably both be added to menu.list
[08:14] <Razor-X> if not, just read the docs
[08:14] <catolh> qt2, well.. gnome-bittorrent works for me know, although slow and it doesnt show how many seeds or peers.
[08:14] <patrickj> I did
[08:14] <soultaker> can anyone tell me how send back the options on a screen saver i wont display any more
[08:14] <Brunellus> Thanks.
[08:14] <NoHope> patrickj, what's the problem?
[08:14] <gimme3d> i downloaded the latest drvier for xorg, made an deb from the rpm, instlaled mey kernel headers and so on, but trying to overwrite mesa by --force wont work properly?
[08:14] <Razor-X> and, even stil, you can rescue the old bootloader and put that in Ubuntu as well, if it comes to that
[08:14] <v1ru5> X3N: i really don't have time for downloads, every cd takes 3,5 hours to complete
[08:14] <ed1t> v1ru5, http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/
[08:14] <patrickj> okay i pasted what I was supposed to do in flood and it gives me an error, saying that the config file dont exists !!!!
[08:14] <ed1t> v1ru5, i download from there, it always works for me
[08:14] <v1ru5> X3N: so i rather use a legit d/l
[08:15] <Brunellus> Been a while since I did a from-disk install.  Just playing with windows makes me miss apt
[08:15] <v1ru5> ed1t: ok thanks
[08:15] <NoHope> flood?
[08:15] <qt2> catolh, heh, i mich prefer bittornado, much more configurable and informatice.
[08:15] <Hajuu> qt2:  Seems wasteful to stream the same stream twice to the same place.
[08:15] <X3N> v1ru5, those are legit
[08:15] <morgul_> how can I install lmctl_0.3.2_i386.deb ?
[08:15] <gimme3d> it overwrites without error, but there is no change in using the mesadrivers
[08:15] <NoHope> patrickj, flood?
[08:15] <X3N> they're all official ubuntu mirrors
[08:15] <qt2> *informative
[08:15] <Brunellus> morgul_:  sudo dpkg PATH-TO-PACKAGE-HERE
[08:15] <ed1t> morgul_, dpkg -i lmctl_0.3.2_i386.deb
[08:15] <v1ru5> X3N: how come i have downloaded from those two times and neither has worked
[08:15] <Brunellus> er
[08:15] <Brunellus> yeah
[08:15] <Brunellus> forgot the -i
[08:15] <Brunellus> drat.
[08:15] <morgul_> thx guys
[08:15] <Brunellus> morgul_
[08:15] <X3N> v1ru5, from the same source each time ?
[08:15] <qt2> Hajuu, well, i just suggested it as a quick fix. ;)
[08:15] <Hajuu> hehe
[08:15] <Brunellus> be aware that that won't resolve any dependencies!
[08:16] <v1ru5> X3N: this last 3 hrs i got from 4 diff.
[08:16] <Brunellus> ok.  partitioning time gents.
[08:16] <soultaker> can anyone tell me how send back the options on a screen saver i wont display any more ? the name is lightning
[08:16] <catolh> qt2, uhm.. just did a sudo apt-get install bittornado.. but uhm.. silly question.. how do i start it? :D
[08:16] <doddo> what is the deafult linux partition to be named in fstab? ext3 or?
[08:16] <X3N> v1ru5, sounds like there might be something wrong with your download manager or your connection, maybe try shipit.ubuntu.org and get some sent to you
[08:16] <Brunellus> catolh:  uh, type 'bittornado' in the console?
[08:16] <catolh> didnt work.. :p
[08:16] <Discipulus> catolh, from a prompt type bittornado
[08:16] <Razor-X> qt2: hmmm, can I ask you some questions about bittornado?
[08:16] <catolh> ah
[08:16] <gimme3d> v1ru5: i installed everything properly, but there are still the mesadrivers active
[08:17] <Discipulus> catolh, type 'bit' and hit tab 2 times
[08:17] <vintendo> hey ed1t thank you so much
[08:17] <ed1t> doddo, yes, ubuntu has uses ext3 in installation by default
[08:17] <ed1t> vintendo, np
[08:17] <Razor-X> (I use btdownloadcurses.bittorrent)
[08:17] <qt2> catolh, err, it doesnt run unless it's got a torrent downloading/seeding, so go find a torrent. ;)
[08:17] <qt2> Razor-X, sure, pm me.
[08:17] <pierro> hi. i upgraded ubuntuyesterday. since this upgrade, firefox crashes everytime i try to close a tab
[08:17] <catolh> qt2, ah... weird.. :p but thanks
[08:18] <morgul_> hmm problem lol
[08:18] <doddo> ed1t: but when i try to mount my partition i get the following message: Wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2
[08:18] <ed1t> doddo, why u trying to mount your partition? it should already be mounted
[08:18] <qt2> catolh, how's that wierd? it's efficent.
[08:18] <patrickj> back
[08:19] <patrickj> how can I copy stuff from eterm?
[08:19] <doddo> ed1t: yeah, but I made a new partiton from some unpartitioned space i had on my hard drive.
[08:19] <morgul_> are *.deb.py working with hoary?
[08:19] <soultaker> can anyone tell me how send back the options on a screen saver i wont display any more ? the name is lightning any one??
[08:19] <HappyFool> try selecting it with the mouse (using the left mouse button)
[08:19] <ed1t> doddo, u made a ext3 partition?
[08:19] <HappyFool> and then pasting elsewhere with the middle mouse button
[08:19] <ed1t> doddo, mount -t ext3 /dev/sda2 /mount/point
[08:20] <patrickj> ugh lol no it wotn lemme copy through eterm
[08:20] <dm1tri> i am problem in mldonkey runing in ubuntu
[08:20] <gimme3d> when i do: sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i fglrx-6-8-0_8.14.13-2_i386.deb, where the heck does it put the ati-driver-installer-8.14.13.run ???
[08:20] <ed1t> pierro, wat version of FF u have?
[08:20] <doddo> ed1t: yes. ill try that..'
[08:20] <floo> come on guys!  is nobody going to help me with my printing problem
[08:21] <patrickj> dir
[08:21] <morgul_> ok ssorry my mistake
[08:21] <patrickj> whoops
[08:21] <hybrid> floo: whats up?
[08:21] <patrickj> wheres the menu generator?
[08:21] <floo> I can't print through usb
[08:21] <patrickj> also if Im not using gnome, if im using openbox and fbpanel, How can I get stuff to go on startup?
[08:21] <ed1t> pierro, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50686
[08:21] <pierro> ed1t,  the package name ?
[08:21] <pierro> ok thanks.
[08:21] <Yann2> isn't there any way to center text or to align some text on the ubuntu wiki? :(
[08:21] <doddo> ed1t:  i still get the sane eroor message.
[08:21] <doddo> the same
[08:22] <hybrid> floo: is it being recongnized?
[08:22] <gimme3d> guys, when i do: sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i fglrx-6-8-0_8.14.13-2_i386.deb, where the heck does it put the ati-driver-installer-8.14.13.run ???
[08:22] <kuckuck> hi
[08:22] <floo> hybrid yes
[08:22] <dm1tri> i am problem in mldonkey runing in ubuntu
[08:22] <floo> everything is there
[08:22] <patrickj> also if Im not using gnome, if im using openbox and fbpanel, How can I get stuff to go on startup?
[08:22] <dm1tri> not connect in network fasttrack
[08:22] <kuckuck> how shuld the output look if I make a bad block check -> mkfs.vfat -cv
[08:22] <dm1tri> in the configuration this true, but does not connect, exists some plugin to be installed?
[08:22] <hybrid> floo: it just wont print
[08:23] <LiberalTugboat> hey
[08:23] <ed1t> doddo, did u make a directory for mount point?
[08:23] <floo> it's detected on usb asb hp digital copier 410,it's using the ijs gimp print driver
[08:23] <LiberalTugboat> any one know how stable breezy is?
[08:23] <floo> it just WON'T print
[08:23] <hybrid> LiberalTugboat: stable? breezy? ha!
[08:23] <floo> all of the modules are in place
[08:23] <hybrid> floo: tried more then one prgram
[08:24] <floo> udb core oncd uncd usblp
[08:24] <patrickj> how can I get stuff to go on strartup when im not using Gnome?
[08:24] <floo> hybrid??
[08:24] <doddo> ed1t: yes i did but now i think i figured it out, need too reboot thoug =) thank you.
[08:24] <LiberalTugboat> ok let me restate that... how broken is breezy?
[08:24] <patrickj> Can Anyone help me?
[08:25] <blkdomini> ciao raga
[08:25] <Seveas> LiberalTugboat, X is dead
[08:25] <blkdomini> hi all
[08:25] <LiberalTugboat> ok
[08:25] <floo> hybrid do you mean another distro?
[08:25] <LiberalTugboat> still going though the modularization
[08:25] <floo> if so yes, I've tried Mandrake and Fedora.  Same [roblem.
[08:25] <hybrid> floo: no another program. like try print a gimp image then try from fire etc
[08:25] <blkdomini> anyone know a simple dc client's for ubuntu?
[08:26] <patrickj> Can Anyone help me?
[08:26] <LiberalTugboat> I used to follow all of the mailing lists... I just dont have the time to go through 100+ emails a day
[08:26] <floo> yes tried that, printer is default printer but it just wn't print
[08:26] <ed1t> patrickj, you will have to manually add it
[08:26] <ed1t> i guess
[08:26] <floo> also tried the same with openoffice.
[08:26] <Seveas> LiberalTugboat, indeed, still the modularization :)
[08:26] <soultaker> can anyone tell me how send back the options on a screen saver i wont display any more ? the name is lightning any one?? can tell how restore i just run synaptics and resinstall i wont display it
[08:27] <patrickj> what file?!
[08:27] <patrickj> lol
[08:27] <patrickj> I need to know How to add it
[08:27] <ed1t> patrickj, get 'smeg' package which will allow you to change gnome menus
[08:27] <floo> it's like the data is getting blocked halfway.
[08:27] <LiberalTugboat> is anyone else having problems with firefox stability in hoary?
[08:27] <patrickj> ugh
[08:27] <patrickj> im not using gnome
[08:27] <patrickj> im in openbox with fbpanel!
[08:27] <hybrid> floo: have _all_ the drivers for it
[08:27] <patrickj> brb...
[08:27] <ed1t> patrickj, then why do u need to add stuff in gnome?
[08:27] <pierro> LiberalTugboat,  iup
[08:27] <LiberalTugboat> I am having it close on me quite a bit lately
[08:27] <Seveas> patrickj, then read the openbox docs :)
[08:28] <floo> yes, hpijs and hplip
[08:28] <pierro> LiberalTugboat,   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50686
[08:28] <ed1t> pierro, did that link help you?
[08:28] <LiberalTugboat> i cant even go to newsforge any more
[08:28] <Seveas> LiberalTugboat, the latest security update is broken
[08:28] <Belutz> Seveas: how do i make firestarter start everytime i log in to ubuntu?
[08:28] <pierro> ed1t,  69% of upgrading :p
[08:28] <floo> but it seems to be using the gimpdriver and ther's no way i can change it anything else.
[08:28] <LiberalTugboat> thats nice to know
[08:28] <ed1t> pierro, heh
[08:28] <Seveas> LiberalTugboat, you should downgrade using the debs on http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/deb/ or wait until monday :)
[08:29] <floo> the annoing thing is it works absolutelyfnineon windows
[08:29] <LiberalTugboat> the one thing I dont like about ubuntu is all this backporting of security updates
[08:29] <jasoncohen> tritium, well, i wasn't able to resize my / ext3 partition last night in the live cd. gparted said that the device was being used (device i guess was HD) because the only mounted partition was swap. what should i do?
[08:29] <Seveas> LiberalTugboat, the official versions have the exact same problem...
[08:29] <soultaker> can anyone tell me how send back the options on a screen saver i wont display any more ? the name is lightning any one?? can tell how restore i just run synaptics and resinstall i wont display it
[08:30] <ed1t> jasoncohen, trying to resize partitions?
[08:30] <LiberalTugboat> 1.06?
[08:30] <hybrid> Seveas: how do you downgrade? do you use apt?
[08:30] <jasoncohen> ed1t, yes
[08:31] <Seveas> hybrid, download the debs manually and run dpkg -i mozilla*.den
[08:31] <Seveas> hybrid, download the debs manually and run dpkg -i mozilla*.deb
[08:31] <jasoncohen> ed1t, i wanted to shrink my / ext3 partition so i could make a larger swap. currently my swap is too small for hibernate
[08:31] <levander> Can I still not access Gracenote's cddb with grip?
[08:31] <hybrid> Seveas: ah
[08:31] <hybrid> Seveas: gotta do it twice? :-p
[08:31] <jasoncohen> Seveas, you don't have to do that
[08:31] <jasoncohen> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox=1.0.2-0ubuntu5 mozilla-firefox-gnome-support=1.0.2-0ubuntu5
[08:31] <hybrid> i was told you have to remove pkgs then reinstall
[08:31] <Seveas> jasoncohen, the official repos do no longer have the -ubuntu5.2 security update
[08:31] <jasoncohen> you can downgrade by specifying the version you want
[08:31] <Seveas> and the ubuntu5 version is old
[08:32] <Seveas> jasoncohen, the official repos do no longer have the -ubuntu5.3 security update
[08:32] <jasoncohen> Seveas, yeah- but does hybrid still have it in his apt cache?
[08:32] <Seveas> jasoncohen, not likely :)
[08:32] <HappyFool> !firefox-problems
[08:32] <ubotu> firefox-problems is probably http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2005-July/000163.html
[08:32] <jasoncohen> otherwise he won't be able to. he can't download it because it's not on the servers
[08:32] <rjek> Afternoon.
[08:32] <soultaker> can anyone tell me how send back the options on a screen saver i wont display any more ? the name is lightning any one?? can tell how restore i just run synaptics and resinstall i wont display it
[08:32] <HappyFool> maybe uninstall extensions, if you can
[08:32] <Seveas> jasoncohen, I just gave a url to the ubuntu5.3 debs
[08:33] <jasoncohen> Seveas, ah, i didn't see that- my mitake
[08:33] <jasoncohen> *mistake
[08:33] <raven3x7> im decided to get epiphany until this is fixed
[08:33] <patrickj> dir
[08:33] <patrickj> whoops
[08:33] <patrickj> lol
[08:33] <patrickj> sorry
[08:33] <rjek> Anybody know if there's any way of specifying which order things should be mounted in in /etc/fstab?  I have a bind mount, and although it's listed after mounting my home directory (via NFS) it still ends up mounting afterwards.  Ideas?
[08:33] <jasoncohen> Seveas, why didn't the security team leave 5.3 in place and ask users to just install it off the security mirrors?
[08:33] <Seveas> jasoncohen, ENOIDEA
[08:33] <hybrid> patrickj: i love that! i have come in here plenty of times and did ls
[08:34] <jasoncohen> so, anyone know why gparted wouldn't allow me to resize an ext3 partitoin (/) that's unmounted in the hoary live cd if only swap is being used
[08:34] <sirkka> ?
[08:34] <djp> which is the best version of a package to use out of sdl, svga, or x? the graphic card i have is an nvidia geforce2 which uses the free nv driver.
[08:34] <sirkka> hi
[08:34] <jasoncohen> how should i resize it, from the hoary installer disk?
[08:35] <hybrid> jasoncohen: livecd runs in ram
[08:35] <rchoy> jason is the swap on the same parition?
[08:35] <raven3x7> HappyFool thats not the only prob with the update
[08:35] <jasoncohen> hybrid, so, / was unmounted
[08:35] <patrickj> oh brb again
[08:35] <jasoncohen> rchoy, they are seperate partitions- might be the same logical partition though
[08:35] <rchoy> jasoncohen, that would be a problem ,no?
[08:36] <robert_pectol> Belutz:   you can use update-rc.d to configure which services you want to start/stop at bootup/shutdown... something similar to, "update-rc.d firestarter start 20  2 3 4 5 . stop 20  0 1 2 6 ." would set firestarter to auomatically run in levels 2, 3, 4, and 5.
[08:36] <jasoncohen> rchoy, http://pastebin.ca/18400 . i'm trying to resize /dev/hda4
[08:36] <jasoncohen> rchoy, only swap was mounted- and i don't think they are on the same logical partition. how do i check?
[08:37] <jasoncohen> no- they're on seperate logical partitions
[08:37] <rchoy> jasoncohen, fdisk
[08:37] <rchoy> fdisk /dev/hda
[08:37] <rchoy> then type p
[08:38] <rchoy> to print part table
[08:38] <jasoncohen> isn't that the same as fdisk -l /dev/hda?
[08:38] <jasoncohen> it shows what i pasted - http://pastebin.ca/18400
[08:39] <rchoy> fdisk is a little more informative
[08:39] <rchoy> p
[08:40] <jasoncohen> so, what should i do to resize / ?
[08:40] <jasoncohen> /dev/hda4
[08:40] <Belutz> robert_pectol: what's the number 20 means?
[08:40] <robert_pectol> Belutz:   priority... I think!
[08:40] <Belutz> robert_pectol: ok, thx :)
[08:40] <robert_pectol> np
[08:41] <jasoncohen> Belutz, it's priority- when the process starts in the boot process
[08:41] <rchoy> jasoncohen, try doing fdisk /dev/hda and hit p
[08:41] <jasoncohen> Belutz, lower is higher priority so 10 would start before 20
[08:41] <rchoy> you get more info than fdisk -l
[08:41] <jasoncohen> rchoy, i did, it shows the same info
[08:41] <Belutz> jasoncohen: ok... i get it... thx :)
[08:41] <jasoncohen> rchoy, http://pastebin.ca/18401
[08:42] <Belutz> jasoncohen: i just removed apache2 from synaptic, but there is still /etc/init.d/apache2 file... do i have to remove it manually?
[08:42] <jasoncohen> Belutz, that's because when you remove a package it doesn't get rid of configuration files
[08:43] <jasoncohen> or other system files related to the app that are small like init scripts
[08:43] <jasoncohen> there's no harm in keeping the script there since it won't start- there's nothing to start
[08:43] <jasoncohen> sudo apt-get remove --purge apache2 would have purged all config files
[08:43] <rchoy> jasoncohen, how does parted complain?  could it be you don't have enough disk space to do the resize...
[08:43] <Belutz> jasoncohen: ok... thx :)
[08:43] <jasoncohen> rchoy, i'm just shrinking the partition. how can i not have enough disk space to shrink?
[08:44] <rchoy> if there is 100 bytes of data and the partition is 200 bytes and you resize it to 50 bytes
[08:44] <jasoncohen> Belutz, it's not a problem. if you want, sudo apt-get install rcconf, and run sudo rcconf and uncheck apache2
[08:44] <jasoncohen> that way, if it's installed again it won't start on boot
[08:45] <Belutz> ic... ok
[08:45] <djp> which is the best version of a package to use out of sdl, svga, or x? the graphic card i have is an nvidia geforce2 which uses the free nv driver.
[08:45] <jasoncohen> what exactly are you asking djp? what driver to use?
[08:45] <jasoncohen> use nv or if you want 3d acceleration the nvidia driver
[08:46] <HappyFool> you can also try 'sudo update-rc.d apache2 remove'
[08:46] <jasoncohen> yup, or if you want something graphical, install bum. it'll also give you a description of the services
[08:47] <djp> jasoncohen: sorry to be so vague. i have the option of downloading 3 versions of a program. one is specific for x, one for sdl and one for svga. i wondered what one i should use. i suppose i want to know what the difference is between sdl, x and svga...
[08:47] <jasoncohen> what program?
[08:47] <djp> jasoncohen: gnuboy
[08:48] <bluefoxicy> djp:  Use the SDL version.
[08:48] <djp> jasoncohen: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=gnuboy&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[08:48] <bluefoxicy> SDL is like a cross-platform directX, kind of.
[08:48] <bluefoxicy> simple directmedia layer :P
[08:48] <jasoncohen> X is linux's xfree server that is used to display all the graphics you see on your screen. SVGA Is super vga resolution= 800X600 pixels and SDL is  Simple DirectMedia Layer is a cross-platform multimedia library designed to provide low level access to audio, keyboard, mouse, joystick, 3D hardware via OpenGL, and 2D video framebuffer.
[08:48] <jasoncohen> the 3 are completely different
[08:48] <bluefoxicy> SDL is fairly well designed.
[08:49] <HappyFool> SDL should run in X; i would guess the svga version won't
[08:49] <jasoncohen> yeah, use SDL
[08:49] <djp> jasoncohen: that's what i was looking for... thanx! so would you agree with bluefoxicy, that sdl is the better of the 3? thnaks for your advice bluefoxicy by the way
[08:50] <bluefoxicy> I tend to install SDL stuff because A) I don't like plain old X methods; B) SVGA requires libsvga which I don't like because it needs a kernel helper module; C) If everything used SDL there'd be a common library ;)
[08:50] <bluefoxicy> besides
[08:50] <djp> oops, thanks jasoncohen, answered before i could ask! ;)
[08:50] <bluefoxicy> if the X and SVGA branches aren't used much the author might drop them in favor of SDL
[08:50] <bluefoxicy> meaning less code to maintain
[08:50] <bluefoxicy> i.e. less bugs, faster development
[08:51] <jasoncohen> will breey be able to do an upgrade from an install CD?  It seems like the best method if you want to alter the partition sizes or if you are on dialup
[08:51] <bluefoxicy> someone should write a Linux developers FAQ
[08:51] <djp> thanks bluefoxicy
[08:51] <HappyFool> jasoncohen: warty could be upgraded to hoary via CD, so I presume so
[08:52] <bluefoxicy> and answer a question about DirectX by pointing out SDL, == instant Linux/Windows/AppleOSX compatibility
[08:52] <jasoncohen> HappyFool, ok
[08:52] <DOonz> hey guys kinda buggered up my fstab is there a way i can go back to the back up file and restore it?
[08:52] <jasoncohen> if i want to resize my root partition, should i just do it with the hoary installer partition tool?
[08:53] <signius> Does anyone use a orinoco based wireless card in RFMON mode at all
[08:53] <signius> i have the kernal patched and working and it works perfect in kismet
[08:53] <jasoncohen> DOonz, did you make a backup?
[08:53] <DOonz> yeah
[08:53] <DOonz> but i cant boot up
[08:53] <Brunellus> woohoo, it dualboots
[08:53] <DOonz> im using the live cd atm
[08:53] <ed1t> jasoncohen, yea but wont it delete the stuff in your / ?
[08:53] <signius> yet when i try and use other wireless utile that require RFMON it fails
[08:53] <Brunellus> but now I can't get it to find my wlan card
[08:54] <jasoncohen> ed1t, you can resize ext3 without removing data
[08:54] <jasoncohen> why can't you in the partitioner?
[08:54] <ed1t> jasoncohen, i didn know if you can shrink it in partitioner
[08:54] <signius> Brunellus what wireless network card do you have and what chipset is it based on ?
[08:55] <Brunellus> dlink dwl-g520
[08:55] <Brunellus> it *should* have auto-detected, apparently
[08:55] <jasoncohen> ed1t, ext3 supports being resized both smaller & larger w/o losing data so long as the partition is unmounted
[08:55] <Brunellus> let me run upstairs to see what lspci tells me
[08:55] <signius> oooh 2 things i dont like about that already A it DLINK and B it a 802.11g based card
[08:55] <ed1t> hmmm
[08:55] <DOonz> anyone got any idea?
[08:55] <signius> let me have a check on google about that card
[08:56] <HappyFool> jasoncohen: you seem to know more than most of us about this ;). is it possible there's data at the 'end' of the partition? can ext2/ext3 get fragmented like that?
[08:56] <jasoncohen> DOonz, mount the partition manually with a mount command, replace /etc/fstab with the backup and reboot
[08:56] <DOonz> thanx
[08:56] <HappyFool> Razor-X: you around? Are you running ERC?
[08:56] <ed1t> does anybody know if there is any software for making backup image like ghost for windows
[08:56] <ed1t> ?
[08:57] <Brunellus> it's an Atheros AR-512 chipset
[08:57] <ed1t> for linux...i dont think ghost 9.0 supports creating linux images
[08:57] <signius> ok
[08:58] <signius> i think DLINK have some linux drivers on there websote
[08:58] <signius> i am checking now
[08:58] <ed1t> norton ghos 2003 does that!!!
[08:58] <HappyFool> ed1t: how about 'partimage' in the ubuntu repositories?
[08:58] <apokryphos> is there any way to tell Ubuntu to specifically *never* use 75Hz?
[08:58] <ed1t> HappyFool, it does it?
[08:58] <HappyFool> ed1t: not that i've used it, but it looks possibly interesting
[08:58] <jasoncohen> DOonz, mount -t ext3 /dev/hdaX /myroot
[08:59] <ed1t> HappyFool, thx, ill try it and let u know if it works good
[08:59] <jasoncohen> DOonz, sudo fdisk -l to find out what partition you need to mount
[08:59] <signius> Brunellus ok it looks like you need to use the madwifi drivers
[08:59] <Hoxzer> how I can mount samba?
[08:59] <signius> i have used them ages ago and they did work
[08:59] <signius> but i cant remember what i did to get them working youll have to do a bit of reading
[08:59] <jasoncohen> Brunellus, you're in luck, the madwifi drivers are included in hoary in linux-restricted-modules
[08:59] <demirg> hi everyone, why do i get an error message like: "Segmentation fault" when I try to run xmms
[08:59] <jasoncohen> Brunellus, modprobe ath_pci
[08:59] <signius> heres the link to the drivers and docs http://sourceforge.net/projects/madwifi/
[09:00] <HappyFool> demirg: try changing xmms's output to esd
[09:00] <jasoncohen> signius, does he want just WEP?
[09:00] <jasoncohen> or does he need WPA/AES?
[09:00] <HappyFool> demirg: it's under properties/settings somewhere
[09:00] <signius> jasoncohen I dont know
[09:00] <Brunellus> back in a second.
[09:00] <jasoncohen> DOonz, did that work?
[09:00] <HappyFool> Hoxzer: have you looked at this page?
[09:00] <HappyFool> !samba
[09:00] <ubotu> methinks samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[09:01] <demirg> HappyFool, i cannot open xmms :)
[09:01] <DOonz> all the files are read only
[09:01] <HappyFool> demirg: doh. the esd thing is my standard response, sorry ;)
[09:01] <jasoncohen> DOonz, did it mount read-only or do you need to be root?
[09:01] <demirg> HappyFool, no problem :)
[09:02] <DOonz> it mounted read only
[09:02] <jasoncohen> DOonz, sudo cp /etc/fstab.backup /etc/fstab for example
[09:02] <demirg> HappyFool, besides it was allready changed to esd
[09:02] <ed1t> HappyFool, it looks like it will do the job if u run it from live CD
[09:02] <jasoncohen> DOonz, or sudo -s and then try
[09:02] <Kyral> you know you use the command line too much when you try to use tab complete to type /etc/fstab on XChat
[09:02] <ValheruLord> how can i learn which bootloader is installed
[09:02] <HappyFool> heh
[09:02] <jasoncohen> DOonz, what does "mount" show for /myroot?
[09:02] <kamstrumental> Does anybody recommend an MP3 player over Music Player in Ubuntu? Music Player says it does not have the plug in to play mp3's.
[09:02] <Kyral> Beep
[09:02] <tommy> how do i get ventrilo to autostart as deamon?
[09:02] <signius> Has anyone here setup Evolution with and exchange 2003 server ?
[09:03] <HappyFool> kamstrumental: you can get plugins for mp3
[09:03] <Belial> hi someon here who can halp a noob ??
[09:03] <HappyFool> kamstrumental: read this page:
[09:03] <HappyFool> !restrictedformats
[09:03] <ubotu> I heard restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[09:03] <jasoncohen> DOonz, umount /myroot
[09:03] <DOonz> root@ubuntu:/home/ubuntu # mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /home/ubuntu/tmp
[09:03] <Pianist> hy
[09:03] <jasoncohen> Doomgaze, mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /home/ubuntu/tmp rw,user
[09:03] <Belial> does someone speaks german ???
[09:03] <demirg> hi everyone, why do i get an error message like: "Segmentation fault" when I try to run xmms
[09:03] <Pianist> #ubuntu-de
[09:03] <Belial> thx
[09:03] <Pianist> ich m
[09:04] <kamstrumental> HappyFool: Thanks!
[09:04] <Pianist> ich mein ich sprexh auch aber das ist der bessere channel
[09:04] <Pianist> ;=
[09:04] <Pianist> ;)
[09:04] <Belial> lol
[09:04] <Brunellus> no joy
[09:04] <jasoncohen> DOonz,  mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /home/ubuntu/tmp rw,user
[09:04] <Belial> does someone can help me
[09:04] <Brunellus> modprobe ath_pci does nothing
[09:04] <jasoncohen> DOonz, or mount -o remount,rw /dev/sda1
[09:04] <Brunellus> no wlan0 no nothing
[09:04] <DOonz> k it saying it busy when i unmouint
[09:04] <Une-ga-dihi> anyone use movemail in thunderbird to check local mail?
[09:04] <Brunellus> do I have to bring eth0 down first
[09:04] <jasoncohen> DOonz, try mount -o remount/rw /dev/sda1
[09:05] <Pianist> Belial: what is your problem?
[09:05] <jasoncohen> DOonz, you're probably just in the directory. type "cd" first
[09:05] <DOonz> nope
[09:05] <jasoncohen> DOonz, but the remount should work even if it's being used
[09:05] <ed1t> Belial, #ubuntu-de
[09:05] <DOonz> mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /home/ubuntu/tmp busy
[09:05] <DOonz> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is already mounted on /home/ubuntu/tmp
[09:06] <jasoncohen> DOonz, what command did you use?
[09:06] <Brunellus> jasoncohen, what do I do now, if modprobe ath_pci isn't working?
[09:06] <DOonz> mount -o remount/rw /dev/sda1
[09:06] <ed1t> DOonz, first unmount and then mount again
[09:06] <DOonz> it wont let me unmount
[09:06] <jasoncohen> DOonz, mount -o remount,rw /dev/sda1
[09:06] <DOonz> says its busy
[09:06] <levander> I see on the wiki, that step 4 of enabling dma is to modify /etc/hdparm.conf so that dma is enabled at boot time for a particular device.  Since my machine is already running, can I enable dma without rebooting?
[09:06] <jasoncohen> DOonz, type cd
[09:06] <HappyFool> levander: yip
[09:06] <patrickj> hey, where that menu generation thing?
[09:07] <jasoncohen> Brunellus, sudo modprobe ath_pci
[09:07] <DOonz> nope still busy
[09:07] <Brunellus> jasoncohen: I did taht already
[09:07] <patrickj> n/m
[09:07] <jasoncohen> Doomgaze, fuser /dev/sda1
[09:07] <Brunellus> DOonz, sudo killall gnome-volume-manager
[09:07] <Pianist> anyone know the CentreCOM 3612TR from Allied Sys?
[09:07] <Brunellus> then unmount
[09:07] <HappyFool> levander: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/<whatever>
[09:07] <Pianist> or so?
[09:07] <jasoncohen> DOonz, fuser -m /dev/sda1
[09:07] <DOonz> nope still busy
[09:08] <levander> HappyFool: but I don't have to "enable" dma - like in the wiki it does in step 4 for when you reboot?
[09:08] <DOonz> root@ubuntu:~ # fuser -m /dev/sda1
[09:08] <DOonz> /dev/sda1:           26296
[09:08] <jasoncohen> DOonz, sudo kill 26296
[09:08] <HappyFool> levander: which wiki page is that?
[09:08] <levander> HappyFool: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA?highlight=%28dma%29
[09:08] <Brunellus> nobody with any clues as to the wlan issue?
[09:08] <DOonz> jk that worked
[09:08] <DOonz> its unmounted now
[09:08] <HappyFool> levander: if you are referring to /etc/hdparm.conf, that is just telling bootup to run hdparm, and with what parameters
[09:08] <levander> as an asside, no idea why they're using SSL on their wiki
[09:09] <HappyFool> levander: yeah, a bit annoying
[09:09] <Pianist> anyone know the CentreCOM 3612TR from Allied Sys?
[09:09] <jasoncohen> DOonz, mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /home/ubuntu/tmp rw
[09:09] <levander> HappyFool: ah! yeah, that makes sense, thanks
[09:09] <levander> HappyFool: and why does publicly information have to be secured? Makes no sense.
[09:09] <DOonz> nope didnt like that mount command
[09:09] <signius> Should i need to reboot ubuntu after configuring Evoluton to conenct to MS Exchange Server ?
[09:09] <HappyFool> levander: maybe it's just an easy solution to protect the password login
[09:09] <patrickj> can anyone in here help me install the menu gen?
[09:09] <jasoncohen> DOonz, mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /home/ubuntu/tmp -o rw
[09:09] <patrickj> demu
[09:09] <demirg> hi everyone, why do i get an error message like: "Segmentation fault" when I try to run xmms
[09:10] <patrickj> *denu
[09:10] <signius> i went through the setup and that seemed to work this time
[09:10] <HappyFool> levander: but it does seem to be overkill. and, for me anyway, the site seems slow
[09:10] <levander> HappyFool: the public can't edit that wiki? what they need a password for?
[09:10] <Brunellus> dmirg, run xmms in gdm.
[09:10] <Brunellus> er
[09:10] <Brunellus> gdb
[09:10] <Brunellus> my bad.
[09:10] <HappyFool> levander: no, you need to register. registration is open and free
[09:10] <levander> HappyFool: yeah, apparently you need to create an account and get a password on that wiki to edit, see what you're saying
[09:10] <signius> yet when i click on the icon for evololution after it looks like its going to to start i get the timer symbol and it just goes back to a destop and doesnt start the prgram
[09:10] <DOonz> still read only
[09:10] <jasoncohen> DOonz, did that work?
[09:10] <demirg> Brunellus, can you tell how to do it
[09:11] <Brunellus> open a terminal
[09:11] <jasoncohen> Doomgaze, and you used -o rw?
[09:11] <DOonz> yeah
[09:11] <Brunellus> execute gdb xmms
[09:11] <demirg> as root?
[09:11] <Brunellus> not sure if it matters
[09:11] <HappyFool> no
[09:11] <Brunellus> that'll at least give you the debug output
[09:11] <HappyFool> it'll give you a big mess
[09:11] <HappyFool> ;)
[09:12] <maestro> hej, nogle fra danmark ?
[09:12] <maestro> join #denmark
[09:12] <Brunellus> oK.  so now what.
[09:12] <demirg> Brunellus, ok i write it to terminal and hit enter
[09:12] <demirg> Brunellus, now it is like : (gdb) and waits
[09:13] <HappyFool> try 'run' now; i think that's how you get gdb to start the program
[09:13] <Brunellus> h'm
[09:13] <signius> WOO HOO it works
[09:13] <HappyFool> you can also launch gdb with a core dump
[09:13] <Brunellus> eh, signius?
[09:13] <signius> fabtastic
[09:13] <zerboxx> Any help with transfering documents to a palm via gnome-pilot?
[09:14] <patrickj> im going to paste something in flood, can anyone help me with my problem?
[09:14] <levander> well, hdparm.conf isn't telling the boot process to turn dma on on /dev/hda (my "main" hard disk).  But, it's on somehow.  Anybody know how ubuntu tells the boot process to turn dma on on a disk?
[09:14] <robotgeek> patrickj, go ahead and paste
[09:14] <patrickj> i just id
[09:14] <patrickj> I need help installing Denu!
[09:14] <MrMaDSeN> hi
[09:14] <Kyral> hmm
[09:14] <patrickj> I dont understand the installation instructions...
[09:14] <Puff-n-Stuff> morning all...would anyone happen to have some insight on how to get a microcolutions backpack cdrw working through usb on 5.04?
[09:14] <Kyral> I'm leaving for a week and a half on Wednesday
[09:14] <D1> grrr, where on earth is the pure-ftpd conf file in ubuntu?
[09:14] <MrMaDSeN> anyone using vnc on ubuntu in here?
[09:14] <HappyFool> patrickj: paste again, i think ;)
[09:15] <robotgeek> yup
[09:15] <Kyral> Will Breezy X be fixed? :P
[09:15] <HappyFool> D1: try using dpkg -L pure-ftpd ?
[09:15] <nalioth> MrMaDSeN: which part of vnc?
[09:15] <Puff-n-Stuff> MrMaDSeN, yes, I use vnc on ubuntu.  mostly viewer, but,,
[09:15] <HappyFool> patrickj: err, that looks gentoo-ish to me
[09:15] <demirg> Brunellus: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[09:16] <demirg> Brunellus: [Switching to Thread -1212288896 (LWP 9425)] 
[09:16] <patrickj> lol
[09:16] <HappyFool> demirg: try 'bt' to get a backtrace
[09:16] <MrMaDSeN> nalioth: vncviewer........ how do I get out off fullscreen again after having pressed F8 ?
[09:16] <Brunellus> demirg: hm.
[09:16] <patrickj> http://denu.sourceforge.net/run_down.html
[09:16] <ed1t> HappyFool, you know any tutorial for creating a custom ubuntu live cd?
[09:16] <HappyFool> demirg: gdb is not really going to help you if you don't have the source, and can't hack c
[09:16] <HappyFool> ed1t: um, sorry, no
[09:16] <patrickj> well i just need something to generate a menu for openbox......
[09:16] <zerboxx> Anyone here know of an equivalent to "Palm Desktop" for linux???
[09:16] <Brunellus> Ok.  what do I have to do to enable linux-restricted-modules?
[09:17] <patrickj> well i guess i'll revert to doing it myself....
[09:17] <HappyFool> Brunellus: isn't it installed?
[09:17] <Brunellus> HappyFool:  this is what I can't work out
[09:17] <demirg> HappyFool, i know a little bit C, bu dont know if i have the source :)
[09:17] <kamstrumental> When loading files into the Music Player library, I get the error: There is no plugin installed to handle a MP3 file.  It seems I have everything installed correctly....?
[09:17] <nalioth> MrMaDSeN: i'm not familiar with vncviewer, i use krdc
[09:17] <Puff-n-Stuff> MrMaDSeN, when you hit F8, does it bring up a menu?
[09:17] <HappyFool> demirg: well, if you care, you can probably get it with apt-get source
[09:18] <Brunellus> if yes, then why can't I configure my wireless
[09:18] <ramdiaz> hello, does anyone know where I can get the Java JDK
[09:18] <HappyFool> Brunellus: 'dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules'
[09:18] <Puff-n-Stuff> ramdiaz, java.sun.com
[09:18] <HappyFool> Brunellus: make that 'dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules*'
[09:18] <MrMaDSeN> Puff-n-Stuff: yes... I choose fullscreen... but then I cant quit it again...
[09:18] <Une-ga-dihi>  /msg nickserv link Dr_Fate darthirc
[09:19] <ramdiaz> i tried the sun site but i can only get the binary
[09:19] <signius> Brunellus have you read the docs on madwifi once you download there is a readme and and install doc that tells you how to insta them
[09:19] <Puff-n-Stuff> MrMaDSeN, when you are in fullscreen and hit F8, it gives you the same menu, yes?   and you select fullscreen again and it doesnt unfullscreen?
[09:19] <HappyFool> ramdiaz: take a look here for some instructions for Java on ubuntu:
[09:19] <HappyFool> !java
[09:19] <ubotu> rumour has it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[09:19] <Brunellus> I'mr eading the docs...
[09:19] <Brunellus> arse
[09:19] <Une-ga-dihi>  /msg nickserv link
[09:19] <signius> Brunellus its not that bad at all from what i remember i was a real newbie when i go thtem working
[09:20] <Brunellus> they revised the card.  my card ( version B) won't run.
[09:20] <MrMaDSeN> Puff-n-Stuff: I dont get the F8 menu when i push F8 again.. thats my problem
[09:20] <Brunellus> badness ins't the issue
[09:20] <ramdiaz> thanks
[09:20] <Brunellus> heavy lifting is.  iwthout that wlan card, that computer has no 'net access...
[09:20] <Brunellus> and I really don't want to haul it down two flights just to plug in.  *sigh*
[09:21] <Puff-n-Stuff> MrMaDSeN, try CTRL-TAB or CTRL-ALT-F1 and see if it does anything on the host?
[09:21] <signius> you cant beat a prism2 based card or cisco aironet i dont think
[09:21] <Puff-n-Stuff> would anyone happen to have some insight on how to get a microcolutions backpack cdrw working through usb on 5.04?
[09:21] <signius> my first card was a linksys with a broadcom chipset couldnt get it to work under linux for toffy
[09:21] <Puff-n-Stuff> microsolutions, rather,
[09:21] <signius> got the dlink to work with madwifi
[09:22] <Sergej> how would one go about changing the default language on the system?
[09:22] <signius> i use a bufalo now which is a melco really and apart from the oronico drivers being a pain in the arse for RFMON stuff it otherwise works first in every distro i tried it with on my laptop
[09:22] <signius> though i have just ordered a cisco aironet
[09:23] <ValheruLord> why is not grubconf in repository
[09:24] <Brunellus> ugh.
[09:25] <Puff-n-Stuff> Brunellus, agreed.
[09:25] <signius> but i cant get airodump or Airtraf to work under ubuntu with the melco orinoco card
[09:25] <signius> not matter what i do i cant seem to get the card into RFMON mode
[09:25] <signius> yet kismet can put the card in RFMON mode
[09:25] <signius> what the hell am i doing wrong or not doing that i should be doing ?
[09:26] <demirg> HappyFool, i got the source by typing apt-get source xmms
[09:26] <mumbles> can i  install something like the  dhcp dump command wich you can do under knoppix?
[09:27] <demirg> HappyFool, it was downloaded automaticaly to /home/demirg/.xmms/xmms-1.2.10/
[09:27] <demirg> HappyFool, now what?
[09:27] <HappyFool> demirg: now you need to tell gdb where it is
[09:27] <HappyFool> demirg: stand by while i launch gdb ;)
[09:28] <signius> mumbles if you can do it under knoppix you will be able to do it under ubuntu and as they are both debian based it cant be too much work to suss out how to do it
[09:28] <HappyFool> demirg: meanwhile, you can type 'help' in the gdb prompt to get help
[09:28] <mumbles> yeh
[09:28] <mumbles> i downlaoded it via synoptic
[09:28] <mumbles> but wheni turn and run dhcp dump it dosent work
[09:29] <mumbles> as in $dhcp dump
[09:29] <Doonz> yay
[09:29] <Doonz> its all good
[09:29] <ubu> quit
[09:30] <tomiki> hola a todos
[09:30] <demirg> HappyFool: ok, waiting...
[09:30] <signius> mumbles i am just installing it now and will try it
[09:30] <mumbles> ok
[09:30] <mumbles> i worked out how to do i on my other machene
[09:30] <mumbles> but cant seem to get it to work now
[09:30] <jasoncohen> well, i goot doonz backup
[09:31] <tomiki> is possible install ubuntus in my portatil with a cd usb
[09:31] <signius> yeah it just hangs doesn it
[09:31] <mumbles> trying to read the man pages:p
[09:31] <MrMaDSeN> ok... that didn
[09:31] <signius> yeah i am in the man page now also
[09:31] <MrMaDSeN> didn't work... crappy vnc
[09:32] <tomiki> is possible install ubuntus in my portatil with a cd usb
[09:32] <HappyFool> demirg: hmm
[09:32] <HappyFool> demirg: minor problem
[09:32] <demirg> HappyFool: what do u mean?
[09:32] <HappyFool> demirg: file $(which xmms) says: "ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ..., stripped"
[09:32] <HappyFool> demirg: i.e., xmms doesn't have debug info
[09:33] <signius> mumbles hardly the most imformative man page i ever read
[09:33] <jasoncohen> how is the vino color setting set? when i log into a friend's vino server, i get 8 bpp. when i log into my own i get 24 bpp
[09:33] <tomiki> is possible install ubuntus in my portatil with a cd usb
[09:33] <mumbles> yeh
[09:33] <HappyFool> demirg: if you *really* want to track this down, you can probably recompile xmms with debug info in
[09:34] <HappyFool> demirg: the alternative is just to use some other player
[09:34] <demirg> HappyFool: no thanks :)
[09:34] <HappyFool> demirg: people here have recommended 'beep-media-player', which is apparently similar to xmms
[09:34] <HappyFool> demirg: i use rhythmbox, myself
[09:34] <Kyral> its basically the GTK2 version of XMMS
[09:34] <signius> mumbles have you got tcpdump installed and working ?
[09:35] <mumbles> i have the man pages for it...
[09:35] <mumbles> goes to check synoptic
[09:35] <demirg> HappyFool: i installed beep too, but i does not work either
[09:35] <HappyFool> demirg: hrm
[09:35] <demirg> HappyFool: it does not
[09:36] <mumbles> signius,  they are
[09:36] <signius> mumbles actually i am not sure of it working or not as there doesnt appear to be any verbose output switch for dhcpdump
[09:36] <demirg> HappyFool: do i need to configure some options in beep?
[09:36] <othernoob> how do i check the firmware of a cd/dvd drive?
[09:36] <HappyFool> demirg: i'm not sure; when you say 'does not work', do you mean segfault or something else?
[09:37] <signius> mumbles i havnt used this before how does it take for you to capture data when you run dhcpdump under knoppix
[09:37] <signius> mumbles How long i meant
[09:38] <mumbles> it just shows up in the terminal i ran the program in
[09:38] <mumbles> instantley
[09:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[09:38] <signius> mumbles Will it only catch DHCP requests tho ?
[09:38] <demirg> HappyFool: i choose an mp3 file to play, it does not do anything
[09:38] <paines> hi
[09:38] <mumbles> it normaly shows eveything that goes in and out of your comtpuer
[09:38] <signius> mumbles So does it have to wait until a DHCP packet is transmitted
[09:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can customers get any dumber than the ones that i have? >.<
[09:38] <demirg> HappyFool: rhythmbox works though :)
[09:39] <Seveas> ChurcH_of_FoamY, yes
[09:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Seveas,
[09:39] <Seveas> customer stpidity is infinite :)
[09:39] <mumbles> Seveas ChurcH_of_FoamY, yes - seconded
[09:39] <paines> where can I lear about how to become a ubuntu developer and provider packages ?
[09:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Seveas, you ant seen these kind before
[09:39] <signius> mumbles So how does dhcpdump differ from tcpdump ?
[09:39] <Seveas> paines, wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[09:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> complete morons when it comes to computers
[09:39] <demirg> HappyFool: i do get the same error: "Segmentation fault" when i try to run mplayer, too
[09:39] <mumbles> signius, dunno actally
[09:39] <Seveas> paines, and apt-get install maint-guide for a packaging manual
[09:39] <demirg> HappyFool that's why i am tryin to fix it
[09:39] <mumbles> but tcp dump dosent work either
[09:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's taken me 30hrs to fix there system and i'm still not done yet >.<
[09:40] <demirg> HappyFool, xmms is not important but mplayer rocks :)
[09:40] <mumbles> strange
[09:40] <mumbles> it works now
[09:40] <Seveas> ChurcH_of_FoamY, :|
[09:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea
[09:40] <ricky> anyone feel like helping with a sound problem?
[09:40] <ploum> Bonsoir a tous
[09:40] <signius> mumbles tcpdump is 100% working on my laptop
[09:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> they fried there hardware by pluging 2 power cables into there cd-rom
[09:40] <mumbles> yeh it jus tstarted to work now
[09:40] <paines> Seveas: thank you very much
[09:40] <signius> mumbles but dhcpdump is just sitting there with a blinking curser
[09:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> one fd0 and one hda power cable into the same device
[09:40] <mumbles> yep
[09:41] <mumbles> ouch
[09:41] <bina> if Ive downloaded the java SDK (j2ee something :) ) do I need to download the JRE?
[09:41] <Seveas> ChurcH_of_FoamY, how on earth is that possible :|
[09:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and the fd0 cable was plugged into the sound out >.<
[09:41] <Seveas> argh,,,
[09:41] <mumbles> wtf
[09:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea
[09:41] <MrMaDSeN> demirg: try using vlc media player... easy to use.. easy to install
[09:41] <mumbles> right
[09:41] <mumbles> i know now what my perfered job is
[09:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it frid the power supply the cd-rom the ethernet card the motherboard and cpu and i don't know what else yet
[09:42] <demirg> HappyFool: apt-get install vlc?
[09:42] <signius> mumbles it looks like you cant start tcpdump while dhcpdump is running
[09:42] <bluefoxicy> Can anyone recommend a good Linksys or Netgear WIFI adaptor for PCI for my desktop?
[09:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm still finding surprises and i've replaced more of the studd
[09:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> suff
[09:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> stuff even >.<
[09:42] <HappyFool> demirg: um, i'm not sure
[09:42] <tommy> how do i get ventrilo to autostart as daemon?
[09:42] <Razor-X> any bittornado users here?
[09:42] <MrMaDSeN> demirg: look at the vlc homepage first........ add to your apt sources.list  then apt-get install vlc :)
[09:42] <mumbles> i go to an new office with other people - put in new system- and then bugger off
[09:43] <nalioth> Razor-X: you using a guil?
[09:43] <Razor-X> VLC kicks ass
[09:43] <signius> sorry was being dumb i was trying to run tcpdump as auser and not as root
[09:43] <HappyFool> demirg: how about something like 'aplay /usr/share/sounds/generic.wav' ?
[09:43] <Razor-X> nalioth: hell no
[09:43] <Razor-X> btdownloadcurses.bittornado ;)
[09:43] <demirg> HappyFool: :)
[09:43] <nalioth> Razor-X: whats the question
[09:43] <knudsen_> Hello. I have just installed proftpd, and I would like to add users without actually adding users to my system. I have created a file, ftpd.passwd, but how do I make proftdp use this in stead of /etc/passwd?
[09:43] <Razor-X> nalioth: speed
[09:43] <Razor-X> I have --minport 6800 and --maxport 6999
[09:43] <mumbles> well least i can now see whas going on
[09:43] <nalioth> Razor-X: bt gives what you give
[09:43] <demirg> HappyFool: it is cool
[09:43] <Razor-X> but, it's still getting lousy ass speed
[09:43] <kafeine> i want to create a user with very limited avaible actions, for example, only logging in, starting firefox, and logging off. someone to help me?
[09:43] <Razor-X> nalioth: Azureus gives me much better
[09:43] <HappyFool> demirg: hrm
[09:44] <HappyFool> demirg: sorry, i'm getting out of my depth
[09:44] <nalioth> Razor-X: disregard 68xx anything, --minport 6969 --maxport 63999
[09:44] <nalioth> Razor-X: so use azureus
[09:44] <Razor-X> nalioth: that's a hell of a port range
[09:44] <bluefoxicy> bah screw it.
[09:44] <Razor-X> Azureus goes 100% CPU on me
[09:44] <nalioth> Razor-X: the ports are for people to find YOU
[09:44] <mumbles> ffs
[09:44] <demirg> HappyFool: pardon me 'cool' means good, beatiful.... right?
[09:45] <mumbles> i made a website for an organisation
[09:45] <mumbles> and no one is fucking using it
[09:45] <Razor-X> nalioth: I only use 3 simeltaneous uploads
[09:45] <mumbles> and when i remined em they go - not now
[09:45] <Razor-X> capped at 19 k/s
[09:45] <nalioth> Razor-X: only 3?
[09:45] <HappyFool> demirg: it means lots of things. roughly 'good' ;)
[09:45] <Razor-X> and the max i've ever gotten is 300 k/s with those settings
[09:46] <demirg> HappyFool: ok :)
[09:46] <HappyFool> Razor-X: you're using ERC, right?
[09:46] <demirg> HappyFool: thanks very much by the way
[09:46] <nalioth> Razor-X: i'm confused. i've used "gnu screen + bt~curses.b~nado" and had dozens of instances goin
[09:46] <Razor-X> HappyFool: yeah, of course
[09:46] <HappyFool> demirg: ok. good luck.
[09:46] <HappyFool> Razor-X: do you have the ScrollToScreenBottom (err.. forgot the name just at the mo) thing installed?
[09:46] <Razor-X> nalioth: well, I have 3 simeltaneous uploads per torrent
[09:47] <Razor-X> HappyFool: couldn't get it working
[09:47] <HappyFool> Razor-X: hrm
[09:47] <Razor-X> I just ended up getting used to my floating input line
[09:47] <tritium> heh, I'm helping my 57-year-old mom use Warty/OpenOffice via VNC
[09:47] <HappyFool> Razor-X: i don't mind the input line, but the text jumping up to halfway bugs me
[09:47] <Razor-X> my eyes have gotten used to it after a while
[09:47] <Razor-X> HappyFool: yeah, took me a bit of getting used to, but after that, it helps
[09:47] <Razor-X> if need be, I just C-u 0 C-l
[09:47] <HappyFool> hrm
[09:48] <HappyFool> oh well, i'll wait for version 5 to be in ubuntu
[09:48] <Razor-X> or M-v as needed
[09:48] <Razor-X> I downloaded erc
[09:48] <Razor-X> that way, you don't have to reload emacs
[09:48] <Razor-X> just extract it, and add in the elisp functions
[09:48] <Razor-X> same with emms
[09:49] <Razor-X> and don't forget M->
[09:49] <HappyFool> yeah, i know all those :P
[09:49] <HappyFool> i just want it not to jump
[09:49] <Razor-X> yeah, I know ;)
[09:49] <Razor-X> yeah, it used to be annoying
[09:50] <Razor-X> but trust me, after a while, it becomes reflex
[09:50] <HappyFool> it's nice having all the emacs keys again
[09:50] <Razor-X> I know, I don't know how I lived without erc
[09:50] <HappyFool> but i do feel like a bit of an emacs-nerd ;)
[09:50] <Razor-X> HappyFool: I have no reservations ;)
[09:50] <Razor-X> I rarely ever leave my emacs
[09:50] <Razor-X> I even play nethack here
[09:50] <HappyFool> heh
[09:50] <Razor-X> hell, if i'm in the mood for emacs internet, I use Conkeror
[09:51] <signius_> mumbles I am beginning to think that dhcpdump is broken i just deliberatly created some dhcp packets and traffic on my lan and nothing appeard
[09:51] <Razor-X> while it's technically not emacs, it uses just about the same bindings
[09:51] <HappyFool> aj
[09:51] <HappyFool> ah, even
[09:51] <wrtpeeps> what repository is x-window-manager-core on?
[09:52] <HappyFool> wrtpeeps: do you mean x-window-system-core?
[09:52] <wrtpeeps> ah, maybe that's it
[09:52] <wrtpeeps> thanks
[09:52] <wrtpeeps> exit
[09:53] <sophtpaw> hi all, wondered if someone might be able to tell me. Why does flightgear not run from 'Run Application'
[09:53] <sophtpaw> Synaptic confirms that it is installed, yet it won't run?!
[09:53] <tritium> sophtpaw, you should probably read the docs in /usr/share/doc/flightgear
[09:54] <HappyFool> sophtpaw: i think it might need a fair number of run-time parameters
[09:54] <Belutz> i just installed apache from source.... and i create a script apache.sh and put it in /etc/init.d why it doesn't start automatically?
[09:54] <HappyFool> sophtpaw: the ms-windows version has a launcher -- i don't know if the linux/ubuntu one does
[09:54] <sophtpaw> but i had synaptic install flightgear, should i not expct it to run
[09:54] <tritium> Belutz, why didn't you install the ubuntu package?
[09:54] <sophtpaw> happy fool, so how would you suggest i launch it?
[09:54] <HappyFool> Belutz: it needs to be linked in appropriate /etc/rc?.d directories
[09:54] <HappyFool> sophtpaw: i'd suggest doing what tritium says
[09:55] <tritium> Belutz, use update-rc.d for your custom initscript
[09:55] <Belutz> tritium: i got problem with integration with php-mysql, and donno how to make it work
[09:55] <sophtpaw> yes, read the docs?
[09:55] <tritium> It seems it would be easier to use ubuntu's apache, though
[09:55] <sophtpaw> and the docs will tell me how to launch maybe?
[09:55] <tritium> sophtpaw, yes
[09:55] <HappyFool> sophtpaw: also, try running it from the command-line, i.e., Applications -> system tools -> command line
[09:55] <Belutz> ow ic ic... i'll try it
[09:55] <sophtpaw> ok, thx tritium
[09:55] <tritium> no problem, sophtpaw :)
[09:56] <sophtpaw> sorry, but how do i ask to read the doc??
[09:57] <sophtpaw> cd ls or something?
[09:57] <tritium> sophtpaw, all packages contain docs in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>
[09:57] <DraK0n> u
[09:57] <tritium> so, cd /usr/share/doc/flightgear
[09:58] <tritium> sometimes, they're gzipped, so I often use "zless README.Debian.gz", for example
[09:58] <CargolNet> hi, exists any application that a user could associate the extension .deb to just click it and get it installed? something like;" gnome-sudo dpkg -i $1"
[09:58] <signius_> mumbles are you still there ?
[09:58] <sophtpaw> tritium: sorry, i'm not so good at this
[09:59] <sophtpaw> this is the transcript:
[09:59] <sophtpaw> conrad@x1-6-00-0b-6a-16-78-f0conrad:~$ cd /usr/share/doc/flighgear
[09:59] <sophtpaw> bash: cd: /usr/share/doc/flighgear: No such file or directory
[09:59] <jvs_> good evening
[09:59] <HappyFool> flightgear
[09:59] <HappyFool> not flighgear
[09:59] <sophtpaw> ai
[09:59] <Dr_Fate> gnomebaker is so buggy its unuseable, why is it on the ubuntuguide page?
[10:00] <sophtpaw> no, excuse for not being able to spell :)
[10:00] <Dr_Fate> and what other gui burner beside nautilus' do ppl use, non KDE of course
[10:00] <sophtpaw> and then ls
[10:00] <signius_> mumbles from what i am reading it looks like you need to pipe the output of tcpdump through dhcpdump but i am unsure of the command to do this
[10:00] <HappyFool> sophtpaw: yip
[10:00] <gnobody> does x work in Breezy?
[10:00] <samu> one thing that gets on my nerves with linux "Unrecognized command line option "--help", try "-help"."
[10:01] <HappyFool> sophtpaw: you could also try 'flightgear --help'
[10:01] <sophtpaw> HappyFool: ok, well first of all i got a list of Readmes - how do i open one up?
[10:01] <signius_> mumbles i assume it is just tcpdump -v | dhcpdump
[10:02] <sophtpaw> conrad@x1-6-00-0b-6a-16-78-f0conrad:/usr/share/doc/flightgear$ ls
[10:02] <sophtpaw> AptNavFAQ.FlightGear.html  README.fgjs           README.protocol
[10:02] <sophtpaw> AUTHORS                    README.gui.gz         README.running.gz
[10:02] <sophtpaw> changelog.Debian.gz        README.introduction   README.SimGear
[10:02] <sophtpaw> changelog.gz               README.IO.gz          README.sound
[10:02] <sophtpaw> copyright                  README.IRIX           README.src
[10:02] <sophtpaw> FlightGear-FAQ.html        README.Joystick       README.TerraSync
[10:02] <HappyFool> sophtpaw: try 'less <filename>'
[10:02] <sophtpaw> NEWS.gz                    README.JSBSim         README.uiuc.gz
[10:02] <sophtpaw> README                     README.jsclient       README.Unix
[10:02] <sophtpaw> README.autoconf            README.Linux.gz       README.Win32-X
[10:02] <HappyFool> sophtpaw: please don't paste here...
[10:02] <sophtpaw> README.commands.gz         README.logging        README.xmlhud.gz
[10:02] <sophtpaw> README.conditions.gz       README.MacOS          README.xmlpanel.gz
[10:02] <sophtpaw> README.Cygwin              README.MSVC           README.xmlsound.gz
[10:02] <sophtpaw> README.Debian              README.multiplayer    README.xmlsyntax.gz
[10:02] <HappyFool> *sigh*
[10:02] <sophtpaw> README.electrical.gz       README.plib           Thanks.gz
[10:02] <sophtpaw> README.extensions          README.properties.gz
[10:02] <sophtpaw> ok
[10:02] <Amaranth> ack
[10:02] <sophtpaw> :(
[10:02] <signius_> sophtpaw STOP
[10:02] <HappyFool> sophtpaw: if the file ends in .gz, use 'zless' instead, so 'zless README.electrical.gz', for example
[10:02] <sophtpaw> sorry i don't know the rules of engagement
[10:03] <HappyFool> sophtpaw: otherwise, just 'less README'
[10:03] <signius_> sophtpaw use http://paste.ubuntu.nl as stated at the top of the chat room
[10:03] <HappyFool> sophtpaw: i recall flightgear as being a little tricky to run from the command line
[10:03] <Seveas> common sense should tell you the same...
[10:03] <mumbles> signius,  sorry was getting irritated
[10:03] <martz_> if anyone knows how to correctly set up dual monitors with an ati card, please message me... i've got most of it set up but it's not working right
[10:03] <mumbles> theres fuckall happering over here
[10:04] <ricky> i'd be happy enough with working ati drivers
[10:04] <signius_> mumbles i am trying the piped command now to see what happens
[10:04] <ricky> or sound for that matter
[10:04] <mumbles> ok
[10:04] <signius_> mumbles it didnt complain when i entered it
[10:04] <ricky> are there any known sound problems with amd64?
[10:04] <signius_> but to be honest i am unsure what should happen
[10:05] <mumbles> ive given up .. tcpdump is working
[10:05] <mumbles> thanks for help signius
[10:05] <signius_> mumbles thats not the attitude
[10:05] <mumbles> will give it another go in about 1/2 an hour
[10:06] <signius_> ok no problem
[10:06] <signius_> im off for a bit off food for a bit
[10:06] <HappyFool> ricky: more likely with your soundcard / chipset. Take a look here maybe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsSoundCards
[10:06] <signius_> i ll be back soon
[10:06] <mumbles> but am getting serisouly buggered off with other stuff
[10:06] <signius_> what elsegiving you hassle ?
[10:06] <mumbles> nothing ubnutnu
[10:06] <ricky> thanks, i did already, but i can't seem to find too much
[10:06] <signius_> ok
[10:06] <signius_> bbl
[10:07] <ricky> it's just a basic realtek ac97 onboard card
[10:07] <ricky> the modules are loaded and it looks like its working fine, but no sound
[10:07] <Belutz> tritium: it works, the apache.sh is executed on boot :D thx :D
[10:08] <DraK0n> ne1 willing to help me get some codecs installed? never used Linux befire
[10:09] <HappyFool> ricky: take a look at 'alsamixer'
[10:09] <HappyFool> ricky: make sure PCM / master channels are not muted
[10:09] <HappyFool> ricky: sometimes some of the weirder line-in channels must be muted (or something like that)
[10:09] <Belutz> is there any wifi manager for gnome?
[10:09] <ricky> looks all up
[10:11] <HappyFool> ricky: note they mustn't be muted (have an 'MM' below the bars)
[10:11] <ricky> yah i checked
[10:11] <Dr_Melectaus> Ive got a bit of a problom and its getting rather annoying, i tried to install ut2k4 earlier on today and my laptop couldnt detect the disc (dvd version) i tried for a good while to get it to detect it but had no luck. So i resorted to copying the files onto a windows machine i have on my network, and copied them over from the windows machine to this laptop. i managed to get the installer running but now its asking for me to mount the play disc- w
[10:11] <Dr_Melectaus> hich it doesnt detect
[10:11] <ricky> all say 00, im guessing 100 but cut off
[10:11] <Dr_Melectaus> so any chance someone could help me sort my problom
[10:12] <tritium> Belutz, :)
[10:12] <HappyFool> ricky: no, the level is below (100<>100). Maybe 'Open' (?). anyway, sorry, that's my best guess
[10:12] <Dr_Melectaus> the level is not equal to 100 ?
[10:12] <patrickj> hey im using openbox and i need to know how to get something to run on startup, not through session manager
[10:12] <ricky> it is
[10:12] <ricky> all cranked to max
[10:13] <Dr_Melectaus> so is anyone willing to help me?
[10:13] <Kyral> like my stereo..... </Dark Helmet>
[10:13] <Belutz> tritium: after i finish my project, or have some free time, maybe i'll try to install apache and php from the package again and try to work it out, thx for your help :D
[10:14] <Brunellus> so I'm going to have to build new madwifi drivers
[10:14] <Brunellus> which will of course break after every kernel patch
[10:15] <tritium> Belutz, no problem.  Good luck!  :)
[10:15] <Kyral> I am so happy that my Wireless card was supported in the kernel
[10:16] <Belutz> tritium: do you know how to automatically virus-scan all outgoing email? i'm using thunderbird and clamav
[10:16] <joevandyk> Can someone recommend a wireless (PCI or USB) card that will work with 64 bit ubuntu?
[10:16] <Kyral> joevandyk, I know that Orinco cards are supported in the Kernel
[10:16] <joevandyk> Ones that need ndiswrapper are pretty much out, unless there's a 64 bit windows driver.
[10:16] <tritium> Belutz, no, I'm sorry..
[10:16] <joevandyk> What wireless cards use the orinco chipset?
[10:17] <patrickj> anyone?
[10:17] <Kyral> Actually its the Atheros chipset
[10:17] <Belutz> tritium: ok, thx :)
[10:17] <Kyral> but the Orinico brand uses them (I dunno if I spelled it right)
[10:17] <joevandyk> I have a Airlink card that uses the acx_111 chipset.  It works, but it's really SLOW.  I can only download stuff at 20KB/s.
[10:18] <Kyral> lemme scan Newegg for them
[10:18] <joevandyk> But, if I use bittorrent, then I can download at 100 KB/s, as I can download at 20KB/s per connection.  It's weird.
[10:18] <joevandyk> thanks!
[10:19] <samu> anyone know how to get lynx to not display the list of extra links and stuff at the bottom of the page?
[10:20] <leonard144j> hello
[10:20] <leonard144j> new user here
[10:20] <Kyral> joevandyk, all these have the Atheros chipset
[10:20] <Kyral> http://customerproducts.atheros.com/customerproducts/ResultsPageBasic.asp
[10:21] <Kyral> leonard144j, what can we do for you?
[10:21] <leonard144j> need some very newbie advice
[10:21] <Kyral> and Welcome to the Wonderful World of Linux <Insert Copyleft Logo Here>
[10:21] <Dr_Melectaus> Ive got a bit of a problom and its getting rather annoying, i tried to install ut2k4 earlier on today and my laptop couldnt detect the disc (dvd version) i tried for a good while to get it to detect it but had no luck. So i resorted to copying the files onto a windows machine i have on my network, and copied them over from the windows machine to this laptop. i managed to get the installer running but now its asking for me to mount the play disc- w
[10:21] <Dr_Melectaus> hich it doesnt detect
[10:22] <mattik_> Hello. Need you identifying before you answer the questions?
[10:22] <leonard144j> sure...how to id?
[10:22] <jk24> Hello
[10:22] <Kyral> Dr_Melectaus, do you have a DVD reader </dumb question>
[10:23] <Dr_Melectaus> yes Kyral
[10:23] <Kyral> Identify? WTF mate?
[10:23] <robotgeek> :)
[10:23] <Kyral> Okay
[10:23] <Dr_Melectaus> thats what the disc is in
[10:23] <Kyral> always good to check the stupid questions :D
[10:23] <robotgeek> sure,we dont mind!
[10:23] <Dr_Melectaus> indeed
[10:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can i take the hard drives out of my celeron 1ghz and put them into a pentium III 600mhz motherboard and still have my linux i686?
[10:23] <Dr_Melectaus> But have you any idea why it isnt detecting the disc?
[10:23] <Kyral> Anyway, I use the 6 Disc version of UT2k4
[10:23] <Seveas> ChurcH_of_FoamY, yes
[10:23] <Dr_Melectaus> ive tried mounting it manually
[10:23] <mattik_> leonard144j: I didn't remember my password... Maybe I must find new nick...
[10:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and it will work with no problem?
[10:23] <Dr_Melectaus> but nothing is happening
[10:23] <Kyral> is the disc clean?
[10:24] <leonard144j> Question: Just switched from 98 to Ubuntu...lost my zonealarm...
[10:24] <Dr_Melectaus> yes
[10:24] <Kyral> leonard144j, ZA isn't on Linux
[10:24] <robotgeek> firestarter
[10:24] <leonard144j> ...do i need a firewall?
[10:24] <Kyral> not that you need it
[10:24] <Dr_Melectaus> i installed it on my older mor eunreliable windows machine earlier
[10:24] <leonard144j> ...cool...firewall not needed then.... thanks
[10:24] <Kyral> You can use FireStarter, but like I said you don't really need it
[10:25] <Dr_Melectaus> firestarter? i have that
[10:25] <Dr_Melectaus> but dont know what its for
[10:25] <joevandyk> Anyone know why a wireless card would work, but be really slow?
[10:25] <Kyral> Firewall :D
[10:25] <leonard144j> firestarter....thanks...i'll check it ouit
[10:25] <Dr_Melectaus> ahhh
[10:25] <Kyral> joevandyk, Low signal strength...
[10:25] <Dr_Melectaus> i got confuzzled with kickstart Kyral
[10:25] <Dr_Melectaus> i have firestarter up and running
[10:25] <Kyral> kickstart?
[10:25] <Dr_Melectaus> yea
[10:25] <Kyral> oh  lol
[10:25] <Kyral> eh I don't know whatr kickstart is
[10:25] <robotgeek> joevandyk, how far away are u from the router?
[10:25] <leonard144j> does firestarter do antivirus?
[10:26] <Kyral> leonard144j, no
[10:26] <Kyral> again, not like you need it
[10:26] <leonard144j> what should I have for antivirus protection?
[10:26] <Kyral> you can install clamav if you wanna be 100% sure
[10:26] <Kyral> but you don't need it
[10:26] <robotgeek> leonard144j, u don't need one
[10:26] <LinuxJones> leonard144j, not necessary
[10:26] <leonard144j> i am so used to being paranoid... this is new for me...
[10:27] <Kyral> just keep the system updated and you will be fine
[10:27] <Kyral> Be free my Brother
[10:27] <leonard144j> lol
[10:27] <Kyral> you are safe now
[10:27] <Kyral> and with friends :D
[10:27] <robotgeek> yeah, i just have it in my cron job to run updates at 3:00 am
[10:27] <robotgeek> and i don't even have to worry abt updates!
[10:27] <Kyral> how the hell do you set a cronjob anyway
[10:28] <Kyral> we need an idiot proof GUI for Cron
[10:28] <robotgeek> /etc/crontab
[10:28] <Kyral> I know where it is
[10:28] <HappyFool> Kyral: 'man 5 crontab' and 'man crontab'
[10:28] <robotgeek> it's just a line which u need to add :)
[10:28] <LinuxJones> Kyral, there is also gcron
[10:28] <Kyral> then how do you get around the sudo thing
[10:28] <Zartan> ok. :) Now I have new nick. I like to know how I install nvidia-modules to new kernel. I installed kernel 2.6.11 and if I start it I don't get X running.
[10:28] <joevandyk> kyral, robotgeek, My signal strength is fine.  I've got laptops next to the computer that can download at 500KB/s.
[10:29] <robotgeek> Kyral, just run as user root
[10:29] <Kyral> joevandyk, try manually changing the throughput on the wireless card
[10:29] <DraK0n> anyone willing to help me get sound working...codecs didn't install, and everytime I try it says it couldn't find the packages
[10:29] <joevandyk> It's weird, because it seems that I'm limited to a maximum download of 15-20 KB/s per connection.  If I start another download, it'll go that fast for it.
[10:29] <HappyFool> Kyral: you can use the crontab program to install user crontab files
[10:29] <HappyFool> Kyral: it's not terribly difficult
[10:29] <LinuxJones> DraK0n, what files are you trying to play ?
[10:29] <DraK0n> mp3, ogg, avi
[10:29] <DraK0n> new to linux tho
[10:30] <LinuxJones> DraK0n, but your sound is working tho right ?
[10:30] <Kyral> its not like I'm a newbie, but for some reason adding crontabs never really clicked with me
[10:30] <sempsteen> hi all!
[10:30] <DraK0n> not for cd's either, it's installed my caRD THO
[10:30] <joevandyk> And meanwhile, my other linux laptops are downloading at really fast speeds.
[10:30] <joevandyk> I'm just wondering if I need to get a better supported wireless nic.
[10:30] <robotgeek> i just got pissed with running apt-get everytime
[10:30] <robotgeek> joevandyk, u had a orinoco right?
[10:30] <joevandyk> No, a acx_110
[10:30] <Kyral> robotgeek, thing is, the commands are never more than like 6 entries back in my Bash History :P
[10:31] <sempsteen> why don't u use package manager?
[10:31] <Kyral> me?
[10:31] <Kyral> because I like the command line
[10:31] <LinuxJones> DraK0n, you can install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[10:31] <robotgeek> sempsteen, me...cause it's faster!
[10:31] <sempsteen> no robotgeek
[10:31] <Kyral> and I have alias set like crazy to make it easy
[10:31] <Zartan> I have kernel 2.6.10 and 2.6.11. How I update nvidia drivers for newer kernel?
[10:31] <sempsteen> yeah i tihnk so
[10:31] <joevandyk> Kyral, the throughput?  iwconfig says that the bit rate is 1 Mb/s.
[10:31] <DraK0n> when I try to install them it says it cant find the packages
[10:31] <DraK0n> it's pissing me off
[10:32] <Subliminal> on the java wiki entry for installing on hoary, apt-get tells me it cant find package java-package
[10:32] <LinuxJones> DraK0n, ok you have to add the universe repositories
[10:32] <robotgeek> joevandyk, set that to 54 MB/s, though you will have to read ur driver documentation to do that
[10:32] <DraK0n> how>
[10:33] <DraK0n> don't see it in package manager
[10:33] <sempsteen> hey guys where can i obtain channels list?
[10:33] <LinuxJones> DraK0n, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.lst and make the line look like this >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe
[10:34] <HappyFool> Seveas: you around?
[10:34] <robotgeek> Kyral, '30 3    * * *   root    apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' will update ur system at 3.30 am everyday
[10:34] <joevandyk> robotgeek, I did "iwconfig wlan0 rate 54Mb" and it now says that the bitrate is 54 Mb/s.
[10:34] <Kyral> robotgeek, where do I add that?
[10:34] <robotgeek> joevandyk, cool..but did ur downloads get any faster
[10:34] <LinuxJones> DraK0n, once you've done that open synaptic and hit the reload button top left and search again
[10:35] <robotgeek> Kyral, /etc/crontab
[10:35] <DraK0n> k one sec
[10:35] <joevandyk> robotgeek, when i set it to 54Mb/s, I think the connection was lost.
[10:35] <robotgeek> joevandyk, :0
[10:35] <Kyral> robotgeek, sokay, i enjoy seeing the updates :D
[10:35] <HappyFool> good night
[10:35] <robotgeek> joevandyk, u might want to  sudo dhclient wlan0
[10:36] <robotgeek> Kyral, to each his own!
[10:36] <DraK0n> swwet now I have a lot more to install..gonna try now
[10:36] <Knowerrors> Gday all
[10:37] <magyar>  /quit
[10:37] <ilba7r> i could not find it on google. Is there a spell checker that check double words for linux? Aspell does not perform this check
[10:37] <Knowerrors> Anybody here with a savage card that got DRI working?
[10:37] <Subliminal> on the java wiki entry for installing on hoary, apt-get tells me it cant find package java-package
[10:38] <Subliminal> on the java wiki entry for installing java on hoary, going throught the instructions, apt-get tells me it cant find package java-package
[10:38] <robotgeek> sorry, turned off the announce away
[10:38] <dArtagnan> Anyone has experience with Savage (game) with ubuntu?
[10:38] <jk24> Subliminal, it's in multiverse
[10:39] <Subliminal> jk24: i'm sure i've enabled that
[10:40] <thelow> is there native support for (laptop) screen brightness in ubuntu?
[10:40] <jk24> Subliminal, java-package: 0.23 0 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Packages
[10:40] <robotgeek> thelow, which laptop do u have? AFAIK, ubuntu does that
[10:40] <thelow> apple powerbook G4
[10:40] <mortified_pengui> Hey, when i try to open the package manager or any other app that needs root access it gives me this error: Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic:
[10:40] <mortified_pengui>  Child terminated with 1 status Does anyone know how to fix this? thanks
[10:41] <robotgeek> thelow, yup...it has that
[10:41] <robotgeek> thelow, which model do u have?
[10:41] <thelow> nice. where do you find it?
[10:41] <thelow> powerbook G4 aluminium 1.5GHz
[10:42] <Discipulus> hmm
[10:42] <robotgeek> thelow, try "sudo apt-get install pbbuttonsd gtkpbuttons"
[10:42] <Discipulus> I `apt-get install hydra-gtk` but now I can't find it...
[10:42] <LinuxJones> DraK0n, sorry dude I don't do dcc :)
[10:42] <DraK0n> cool
[10:42] <joevandyk> Orinico chipsets for wireless are supposed to work well too, right?
[10:42] <DraK0n> got the stuff re-installed, still no sound
[10:42] <thelow> oh
[10:42] <Subliminal> jk24: dont think i have that one
[10:43] <robotgeek> joevandyk, yeah..i had to actually struggle quite a bit with mine
[10:43] <LinuxJones> DraK0n, do you have any sound at all ?
[10:43] <DraK0n> none
[10:43] <LinuxJones> DraK0n, open the mixer control and make sure nothing is muted or turned down.
[10:43] <DraK0n> keep getting a message sating theres no decompressors
[10:43] <DraK0n> already did
[10:43] <caspar> question
[10:43] <joevandyk> robotgeek, how come?
[10:43] <caspar> my WIreless network dous not work
[10:44] <odeez> Subliminal: you didnt have to come all the way here, I could have sorted that for you back home :-P
[10:44] <LinuxJones> DraK0n, mp3 playback should work at least
[10:44] <dArtagnan> Anyone experience with installing Savage?
[10:44] <jk24> Subliminal, apt-cache search java-package
[10:44] <DraK0n> not even CD, or video werks
[10:44] <Discipulus> I `apt-get install hydra-gtk` but now I can't find it...
[10:44] <jk24> Subliminal, or apt-cache policy java-package
[10:44] <Subliminal> ty
[10:44] <engie> Hi. I'm trying to resize my root partition using parted, but I need to unmount it. This scares me, also how will I run parted if it's unmounted?
[10:44] <robotgeek> i use ralink, which just now went gpl, but it's improving with every release!
[10:44] <jk24> dArtagnan, you may give us an url of savage
[10:44] <justin`> engie: it's called use a live cd
[10:44] <DraK0n> it's only like that on the laptops we got from school, the HO another kid got werks fine on install
[10:45] <caspar> The wireless is viseble
[10:45] <caspar> please help me
[10:45] <dArtagnan> official url or the download urls?
[10:45] <engie> justin`: fair enough
[10:45] <joevandyk> It would be great if I could find a list that I could print out that contained a list of all good wireless usb/pci cards that I could take to Fry's with me.  I really only need 802.11b.
[10:45] <jk24> engie, boot on a cd
[10:45] <dArtagnan> http://www.savagedownload.tk/ - http://www.s2games.com/savage
[10:46] <mortified_pengui> engie -- you could use a boot disk
[10:46] <mortified_pengui> opps, too late
[10:46] <D1> whats a good easy ftp server to configure in ubuntu?
[10:46] <patrickj> ello
[10:47] <jk24> dArtagnan, what's your problem ?
[10:47] <patrickj> I have a problem and im seeking a solution
[10:47] <patrickj> is it possible to find it here?
[10:47] <jk24> dArtagnan, i cannot download 320Mo now
[10:47] <jk24> 
[10:47] <Hoxzer> how do I change window in screen?
[10:47] <dArtagnan> After the install of the game, 2.00c and SEP I only get a black screen
[10:48] <DraK0n> been using the help guide for like 2 days, but still have nothing to play the music files with..all the hardware is installed, and have MPlayer that won't install too
[10:48] <mortified_pengui> hey, does anyone know why i get this error:  Child terminated with 1 status ?
[10:48] <patrickj> Can anyone help me?
[10:48] <jk24> dArtagnan, the web talk about patches
[10:49] <patrickj> ive stated my problem 50 time sbefore and noone seems to know anything, but i though this was a support channel?
[10:49] <dArtagnan> yes, I wrote that website myself :P
[10:49] <ern> ubuntu in spanish?
[10:49] <dArtagnan> You have to patch the game with 2.00c and a community-made patch
[10:50] <caspar> sorry for disconnect
[10:50] <DraK0n> screw this I'm quiting to windows to listen to a fucking mp3 then
[10:50] <caspar> but can someone help me with my wireless card?
[10:50] <Kyral> why didn't he install w32codecs?
[10:51] <robotgeek> sure
[10:51] <robotgeek> caspar, state ur problem!
[10:51] <caspar> the wireless card just sais error
[10:52] <caspar> unknown device
[10:52] <LinuxJones> caspar, have you seen this >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[10:52] <jk24> dArtagnan, a sound 'lock' problem ? can it be launch without sound ?
[10:52] <dArtagnan> no idea
[10:52] <dArtagnan> have to check that
[10:52] <mortified_pengui> hey, does anyone know why i get this error:  Child terminated with 1 status ?
[10:52] <Golen42> no idea
[10:53] <no_gatez_fan> trying to change some permissions...i thought chmod -R 777 /any/file would work  ...any ideas?
[10:53] <terrific> ubuntu uahhh
[10:53] <dArtagnan> chmod 0777 file
[10:54] <no_gatez_fan> k will run that
[10:54] <no_gatez_fan> standby
[10:54] <caspar> the wificard dous not show in the ifconfig -a list
[10:54] <terrific> does anybody know a good step by step user (noob) guide to linux terminals
[10:55] <no_gatez_fan> :( nope didnt work
[10:55] <caspar> linuxjones?
[10:55] <Discipulus> I `apt-get install hydra-gtk` but now I can't find it...
[10:56] <mortified_pengui> caspar -- did you try iwconfig
[10:56] <dArtagnan> terrific, go to console and press help, not a tutorial, but it shows you all the commands
[10:56] <dArtagnan> *type help
[10:57] <caspar> robotgeek
[10:57] <robotgeek> is your wireless card supported?
[10:57] <caspar> it is standart in my laptop
[10:57] <caspar> so i donno
[10:58] <robotgeek> caspar, which laptop do u have?
[10:58] <caspar> HP zv5000
[10:58] <robotgeek> !repositories
[10:58] <ubotu> I guess repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:58] <engi1> Hi. I'm trying to resize my ubuntu-created ext3 partition from parted running from a knoppix 3.7 CD, but it sais "Filesystem has incompatible feature enabled". How do I prod it into resizing the partition
[10:58] <engi1> ?
[10:59] <jk24> engi1, the ubuntu install is able to resize partitions...
[10:59] <Blissex> engi1: the incompatible feature most likely is the log.
[10:59] <[D] patrick> hi i have a problem, i had install mplayer-plugin for firefox and the VLC. Now i removed the mplayer plugin because i want to use VLC only in firefox but i heard only the sound by wmv movies and no pictures... why?
[11:00] <Discipulus> I `apt-get install hydra-gtk` but now I can't find it...
[11:00] <robotgeek> caspar, sorry no idea...
[11:00] <caspar> robotgeek, do you know somone who can have an ID
[11:00] <tritium> Discipulus, use "dpkg -L hydra-gtk" to see what files the package contains.  You may have to run it from the command line if it doesn't have a proper menu entry
[11:00] <m0r0n> How do I find files greater than 500MB?
[11:00] <jk24> Discipulus, it's because apt-get have an conscience control feature :)
[11:01] <m0r0n> find / -size > ?
[11:01] <Zartan> So I have installed nvidia driver by notes of ubuntuguide. Now I installed kernel 2.6.11 and restart and I don't get graphical mode running. Do I apt-get dist-upgrade or what I do?
[11:01] <flodine> need to take a screenshot can i get some help
[11:01] <robotgeek> system -> take screenshot, or print screen
[11:01] <tritium> Zartan, 2.6.11 is unsupported, and doesn't have the nvidia kernel module, as there are no linux-restricted-modules for 2.6.11
[11:01] <engi1> Arg, where's an ubuntu install CD when you need one
[11:01] <flodine> take screenshot
[11:02] <Zartan> tritium: Thank you :)
[11:02] <engi1> Specifically, all mine are approx. 350miles south of me at the mo...
[11:02] <mortified_pengui> Is there anyway to login to ubuntu as root?
[11:02] <robotgeek> caspar, unless u know something abt your wireless card, no one can help you :)
[11:02] <tritium> Zartan, no problem
[11:02] <Zartan> tritium: How I remove this 2.6.11 kernel
[11:03] <mortified_pengui> hey, does anyone know why i get this error:  Child terminated with 1 status ?
[11:03] <darkmatter> good afternoon, all:)
[11:03] <tritium> Zartan, you can use synaptic, or apt-get remove, or dpkg --purge.  Whichever you prefer
[11:03] <robotgeek> mortified_pengui, what does google say?
[11:03] <caspar> robotgeek, if i do lspci it sais broadcom corporation bcm4301 802.11b
[11:03] <mortified_pengui> robotgeek -- nothing
[11:04] <mortified_pengui> some pages in another language that dont translate very good
[11:04] <jk24> mortified_pengui, set a password to root, you'll be able to log with
[11:04] <Zartan> tritium: Thank you very much. :) I knew only rpm -qa |grep kernel ;) I changed to ubuntu and I'm happy for it :)
[11:04] <[D] patrick> hi i have a problem, i had install mplayer-plugin for firefox and the VLC. Now i removed the mplayer plugin because i want to use VLC only in firefox but i heard only the sound by wmv movies and no pictures... why?
[11:04] <engi1> sod it, RIP my laptop's hoary installation for a couple of months of XP (for work use) - soon it'll be back and better than ever.
[11:04] <robotgeek> caspar, i think u need ndiswrapper
[11:05] <tritium> Zartan, awesome :)
[11:05] <joevandyk> ubuntu needs a page that has a list of fully-supported hardware (including wireless)
[11:05] <caspar> what?
[11:05] <robotgeek> !ndiswrapper
[11:05] <ubotu> [ndiswrapper]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[11:05] <digitalfox> it has one, joevandyk
[11:05] <robotgeek> that -> casper
[11:05] <mortified_pengui> jk24 -- a password for what?
[11:05] <joevandyk> digitalfox,  where?
[11:05] <jk24> mortified_pengui, root
[11:06] <mortified_pengui> how do i do that?
[11:06] <digitalfox> ugh. hold on, let me find it
[11:06] <tritium> mortified_pengui, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:06] <mortified_pengui> jk24*
[11:07] <mortified_pengui> tritium thanks
[11:07] <tritium> sure
[11:07] <joevandyk> digitalfox, something like this would be awesome: http://www.linspire.com/linspire_hardware_compatibility.php
[11:07] <digitalfox> joevandyk, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[11:07] <digitalfox> it's very incomplete and very bad, but it's there
[11:08] <digitalfox> there's a lot of stuff there that's poorly supported and a lot of stuff that's not there that's very well supported :)
[11:09] <joevandyk> digitalfox, thanks!
[11:09] <patrickj> question...what default rl is ubuntu on
[11:09] <patrickj> 2 or 4?
[11:09] <crimsun> 2
[11:09] <mjr> rl?
[11:09] <digitalfox> joevandyk, what specific question do you have?
[11:09] <crimsun> like Debian.
[11:09] <digitalfox> joevandyk, I might be useful
[11:09] <crimsun> (no runlevel games)
[11:10] <mjr> ah, runlevel
[11:10] <caspar> brb
[11:10] <joevandyk> digitalfox, My currently wireless card is a Airlink one that uses the acx_111 chipset.  But it's really slow.
[11:10] <digitalfox> mhm
[11:11] <digitalfox> so it works, just slowly?
[11:11] <joevandyk> digitalfox, and i have laptops running ubuntu that are 10x faster than it. I get a maximum download speed of 15Kb/s per connection.  But if I use bittorrent, which uses multiple connections, I can download much faster.
[11:11] <flodine> anyone use streamtunner
[11:11] <jk24> flodine, sometimes, yes
[11:11] <demirg> Why do i get an error message like: "Segmentation fault" when i try to run xmms or mplayer???
[11:11] <demirg> any help
[11:11] <Samuar> Evening All.
[11:12] <Belutz> how do i installed .deb packages?
[11:12] <crimsun> demirg: need more context
[11:12] <crimsun> Belutz: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[11:12] <Belutz> crimsun: thx
[11:12] <joevandyk> digitalfox, and since acx_111 support is still experimental in linux, i figured i'd need a better supported one.
[11:12] <demirg> crimsun: context?
[11:12] <digitalfox> ah
[11:12] <crimsun> demirg: simply saying they crash isn't enough information to help you resolve the issue(s)
[11:13] <demirg> crimsun: yea, i know that but that's the only thing i have got now
[11:13] <demirg> crimsun: it just says "Segmentation fault"
[11:14] <crimsun> demirg: help us help you. Tell us what you did. For instance, how did you install mplayer and xmms? What versions are you using?
[11:14] <caspar> when do you tink robotgeek is back?
[11:14] <demirg> crimsun: when i type xmms and hit enter on the console
[11:14] <demirg> crimsun: regular apt-get install xmms
[11:15] <demirg> crimsun: apt-get install mplayer-586
[11:15] <demirg> crimsun: apt-get install mplayer-fonts mozilla-mplayer
[11:15] <cyphase> uhh..
[11:15] <demirg> crimsun xmms 1.2.10
[11:15] <cyphase> y does closing a firefox tab close the whole window?
[11:16] <Swoop|Around> uhmm might be stupid question, but are you clicking on the close icon on the tab
[11:16] <Swoop|Around> or the whole browser ?
[11:16] <Swoop|Around> hehe
[11:16] <demirg> crimsun: and i cant look at mplayer's version
[11:16] <crimsun> cyphase: it closes the tab
[11:16] <cyphase> it should..
[11:16] <caspar> i can't find ndiswrapper in the list (64 bit)
[11:16] <crimsun> cyphase: /join #flood, and paste the output from the following: apt-cache policy xmms mplayer-586
[11:16] <cyphase> but it's only if your on the tab your reading
[11:17] <crimsun> err
[11:17] <crimsun> cyphase: sorry
[11:17] <cyphase> lol
[11:17] <crimsun> demirg:  /join #flood, and paste the output from the following: apt-cache policy xmms mplayer-586
[11:17] <crimsun> silly nick complete
[11:18] <demirg> crimsun: ok
[11:18] <caspar> somone knows wher i can get it?
[11:18] <darkmatter> cyphase, which firefox are you using? If it's 1.0.6, uninstall any extensions (if you have any), as some break Firefox.
[11:20] <cyphase> darkmatter, well, it's the latest one
[11:20] <crimsun> demirg: are those the only two applications that segfault?
[11:20] <cyphase> a backport of 1.0.6 i think
[11:20] <demirg> crimsun: i think so
[11:20] <cyphase> caspar, with what?
[11:21] <caspar> i can't find ndiswrapper
[11:21] <caspar> and i need it to get my wireless working
[11:21] <demirg> crimsun: my other daily apps are working
[11:21] <crimsun> demirg: does it still segfault after a reboot?
[11:21] <crimsun> demirg: do they, rather
[11:21] <cyphase> caspar, have you enabled all the repositories?
[11:21] <caspar> yes
[11:21] <demirg> crimsun: yes, still segfault
[11:21] <caspar> i use 64 bit
[11:21] <cyphase> caspar, well, that might be it
[11:21] <xliu> what is the EOF keys in the terminal
[11:22] <cyphase> xliu, Eon Of File
[11:22] <cyphase> End*
[11:22] <crimsun> demirg: were you having problems with the Nvidia drivers yesterday?
[11:22] <demirg> crimsun: yes
[11:22] <h08817> who is good with ndiswrapper?
[11:22] <demirg> crimsun: and i still do :)
[11:22] <h08817> what is the name of the filename for the netgear inf file
[11:22] <h08817> i need to install my netgear wg111 usb driver
[11:22] <xliu> I mean, how to tell an application that I have complete the input in the terminal so that app can process the data
[11:22] <crimsun> demirg: can you reproduce the segfaults using the nv driver?
[11:22] <Brunellus> foo on wlan!
[11:23] <pere> How do I change from UTF8 to ISO-8859-1 in Ubuntu?
[11:23] <DekaPink> Oh, me, oh my... I can't seem to get 3D games to... not be slow.
[11:23] <demirg> crimsun: today i removed nvidia-kernel-common
[11:23] <bagpuss_thecat> anyone able to recommend a bootsplash system for hoary?
[11:23] <h08817> anyone good with netgear?
[11:23] <demirg> crimsun: and erased /etc/rc?.d/*nvidia-glx sym links
[11:23] <joevandyk> So I found a USB wireless nic.  I plugged it in.  The prism2_usb module gets loaded.  iwconfig shows it. But, it's not showing up in my gnome networking manager.  Why not?
[11:23] <crimsun> pere: you need to (1) sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales ; (2) set the default LANG and LC_ALL
[11:23] <joevandyk> So I found a USB wireless nic.  I plugged it in.  The prism2_usb module gets loaded.  iwconfig shows it. But, it's not showing up in my gnome networking manager.  Why not?
[11:24] <darkmatter> cyphase, if it's the 1.06 package you have (which is the latest), then you definitely want to start disabling some extensions. They've been causing nothing but trouble.
[11:24] <xliu> cyphase, , I mean what is the Keys for EOF
[11:24] <Brunellus> no need to flood, joevandyk
[11:24] <demirg> crimsun: i am already using nv
[11:24] <joevandyk> Brunellus, sorry, i didn't think it got through.
[11:24] <pere> thanks crimsun!
[11:24] <Chris_Tucker> i keep having this problem:
[11:24] <Chris_Tucker> http://nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=44966
[11:24] <crimsun> demirg: oh geez, why did you do all that?
[11:24] <h08817> any1 use ndiswrapper?
[11:24] <DekaPink> Can anyone tell me where I'll find the splash image for gimp?
[11:24] <Brunellus> joevandyk: open a terminal.  $sudo ifup wlan0
[11:24] <joevandyk> Brunellus, i wasn't connected when i sent the first one, but apparently x-chat buffers messages
[11:24] <Brunellus> no biggie.
[11:24] <crimsun> demirg: paste your Xorg log onto the topic's pastebin
[11:24] <Chris_Tucker> i am currently running kubuntu and wish to switch without reinstalling with another iso
[11:25] <demirg> crimsun: it was just a try to fix this segfault
[11:25] <jaco^> anyone has compiled vlc for google video?
[11:25] <joevandyk> Brunellus, (I have a PCI wireless, so it's showing up at wlan1).  It says "Ignoring interface wlan1=wlan1"
[11:25] <crimsun> Chris_Tucker: run sudo apt-get -f
[11:26] <Brunellus> bizarre.  "ignoring?"
[11:26] <Chris_Tucker> crimsun, with what package?
[11:26] <joevandyk> Actually, ifconfig shows wlan1 with a hardware address of all 0s
[11:26] <joevandyk> that's not right
[11:26] <crimsun> Chris_Tucker: no, just run that.
[11:27] <ColonelKernel> what ever happened to chris tucker
[11:27] <demirg> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/756
[11:27] <Chris_Tucker> im right here
[11:27] <ColonelKernel> they guy who did rush hour a jackie chan
[11:28] <Chris_Tucker> oh
[11:28] <Chris_Tucker> dont know
[11:28] <robotgeek> joevandyk, u need to add it to /etc/netwotk/interfaces
[11:28] <crimsun> demirg: that's not the Xorg log. That's the Nvidia installer log, and you shouldn't run that since you've already destroyed half the Ubuntu infrastructure for handling the binary-only Nvidia driver.
[11:29] <robotgeek> joevandyk, network
[11:29] <ubuntudigger> is there any commands or programs i can use to fix errors on my computer, in windows it was called scan disc
[11:29] <ColonelKernel> crimsun, it destroys ubuntu to install the nvidia driver?
[11:29] <crimsun> ColonelKernel: that's not what I said.
[11:29] <robotgeek> ubuntudigger, fsck
[11:29] <ubuntudigger> in root terminal
[11:30] <ColonelKernel> crimsun, if theres some problem with installing the nvidia driver on ubuntu plz let me know, so far its working great
[11:30] <joevandyk> test
[11:30] <tritium> ColonelKernel, did you install the ubuntu package?  There's nothing wrong with that method.
[11:30] <crimsun> ColonelKernel: demirg attempted to make his install work by randomly removing symlinks.
[11:30] <ColonelKernel> tritium, theres an ubuntu package for non-standard kernels?
[11:30] <ColonelKernel> crimsun, ouch
[11:31] <crimsun> again, please read stuff in context.
[11:31] <tritium> ColonelKernel, for ubuntu kernels
[11:31] <crimsun> afternoon, tritium. Feeling more relaxed, I hope? :)
[11:32] <demirg> crimsun: no that's not what i did. i tried to install using sudo sh NVDIA...6.run
[11:32] <Chris_Tucker> crimson, i had to boot the thing back up, but now it seems to have loaded the standard gnome without any problems regardless of that error, yet i am still gonna try and fix that error
[11:32] <ColonelKernel> tritium, I compile my own kernels from ubuntu source
[11:32] <tritium> crimsun, hello to you too.  Yes, quite well, thanks :)
[11:32] <demirg> crimsun: but could not succed
[11:32] <joevandyk> Brunellus, back
[11:32] <crimsun> demirg: then you removed nvidia-kernel-common and the symlinks for nvidia-glx?
[11:32] <demirg> crimsun: so i thught i did not nedd all that stuff
[11:32] <tritium> ColonelKernel, you can use the nvidia-kernel-source package in that case
[11:32] <demirg> crimsun: yes
[11:33] <crimsun> demirg: in any case, that's completely beside the point now. You should paste your Xorg log (/var/log/Xorg.0.log) onto the topic pastebin.
[11:33] <ColonelKernel> tritium, what is the difference between that package and the one from nvidia?
[11:33] <joevandyk> Brunellus, the hardware address of the usb nic is all 00's.  So that's weird especially when the prism2_usb module got loaded ok.
[11:33] <demirg> crimsun: but the segfault problem had already happened before i deleted them
[11:33] <demirg> crimsun: ok
[11:34] <catolh> eeek, my firefox just crashed.. :(
[11:34] <tritium> ColonelKernel, nvidia doens't provide anything as well integrated into the package management system
[11:34] <Chris_Tucker> crimsun, i still get the same erro
[11:34] <Chris_Tucker> r
[11:34] <crimsun> Chris_Tucker: use aptitude instead of apt-get
[11:35] <patrickj> hey i was wondering where the torsmo sample config file was...?
[11:35] <ColonelKernel> tritium, I can't imagine that its THAT beneficial considering the driver is binary regardless (no open source nvidia driver)
[11:35] <DanglyBits> Where can I find all the latest security updates and backports for Hoary ?
[11:35] <tritium> ColonelKernel, you can use the ubuntu source package to build yourself the nvidia kernel module in a nice .deb that is under package management
[11:35] <demirg> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/757
[11:35] <parabolize> patrickj, looking
[11:35] <ColonelKernel> tritium, you can do the same with the nvidia driver
[11:35] <ubuntudigger> it says: Deleted inode 3211489 has zero dtime.  Fix<y>?
[11:35] <ubuntudigger>  what do i do now
[11:36] <tritium> ColonelKernel, your preference then
[11:36] <crimsun> DanglyBits: noted in the references in the topic
[11:36] <parabolize> patrickj, take it out of the gz /usr/share/doc/torsmo/examples/torsmorc.sample.gz
[11:36] <h08817> hello
[11:36] <parabolize> hello
[11:36] <h08817> i need help with getting online
[11:36] <catolh> Can anyone direct me to a Opera install howto?
[11:36] <catolh> !opera
[11:36] <h08817> i have netgear Wg111
[11:37] <h08817> i have ndiswrapper installed
[11:37] <catolh> oh, nevermind.. :p
[11:37] <h08817> and that driver is installed
[11:37] <patrickj> kk thanks
[11:37] <ColonelKernel> linsyswrt54g here
[11:37] <h08817> now how do i get online
[11:37] <h08817> ColonelKernel,  what is that
[11:37] <ColonelKernel> wireless router
[11:37] <joevandyk> Why don't I see any wlan-ng packages in universe?  Does it matter that I have 64 bit ubuntu?
[11:37] <h08817> i am on a network so that is how i get my internet connection
[11:37] <h08817> so i need that?
[11:38] <h08817> how do u get connected to my network?
[11:38] <h08817> i have a linksys router here
[11:38] <demirg> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/757
[11:38] <robotgeek> !ndiswapper
[11:38] <ubotu> robotgeek: I don't know, could you explain it?
[11:38] <robotgeek> !ndiswrapper
[11:38] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[11:38] <crimsun> demirg: yes, I see. Please be patient.
[11:38] <h08817> robotgeek, what?
[11:38] <robotgeek> did u read the wiki?
[11:38] <demirg> crimsun: that was gone by mistake, sorry
[11:38] <h08817> ino
[11:39] <h08817> no
[11:39] <robotgeek> go ahead, check it out
[11:39] <h08817> what about it
[11:39] <catolh> can someone direct me to the *.deb package of Opera so i can use wget? I dont have a web-browser installed at the moment.
[11:39] <h08817> what is it listed under
[11:39] <h08817> i am under wiki on the site now
[11:39] <h08817> what should i look for?
[11:39] <parabolize> h08817, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[11:40] <joevandyk> Is anyone here using a 64 bit ubuntu installation and using wireless on a desktop machine?  What wireless card do you have?
[11:40] <patrickj> kk sweet now, to configure torsmo :p
[11:40] <crimsun> catolh: it's mirrored across many ftp and web sites
[11:40] <parabolize> patrickj, want my config?
[11:41] <parabolize> nice and small... sticks to the top.
[11:42] <dimension128> Hello, I have an Nvidia 5200 128Mb AGP 8 with dual svga out, Ive seached the wiki but im eather Not findind what I need or Im not understanding what im finding, Probably both, anyway can anyone tell me how, (or give me a link) to figure out how to install the latest drivers, get both monitors working, and make sure everythings just configured correctly.
[11:42] <crimsun> demirg: strace -o output.txt -Ff xmms && bzip2 output.txt
[11:42] <tritium> dimension128, you need to enable TwinView
[11:42] <crimsun> demirg: then place output.txt.bz2 onto a web site so I can download it, or dcc it to me.
[11:43] <demirg> crimsun: ok
[11:43] <tritium> dimension128, follow this to install the nvidia drivers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:43] <dimension128> tuvm
[11:43] <dimension128> ty*
[11:44] <tritium> and then read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz on how to setup TwinView for 2 monitors
[11:44] <joevandyk> All the cards listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards should work fine right?
[11:44] <joevandyk> er, on a 64 bit machine
[11:45] <demirg> crimsun: i have a website but it only accepts secure connections so can you suggest me an sftp client on linux?
[11:46] <crimsun> demirg: just use sftp
[11:46] <D1> nautilus would work...
[11:47] <robotgeek> gtfp works too. use ssh option
[11:47] <Dr_Fate> demirg, ssh
[11:47] <vinboy> hi
[11:47] <KinK> hi..
[11:47] <vinboy> i  just f*cked up my fonts in gnome
[11:47] <Dr_Fate> robotgeek, oh yeah, I love gftp
[11:47] <vinboy> how do I ge the defaulkt gnome fonts?
[11:47] <demirg> crimsun: ok i am trying
[11:47] <Razor-X> gftp is one of the only GUI apps I use
[11:47] <Razor-X> because, the commandline FTP apps in the repos suck, IMO
[11:48] <robotgeek> Dr_Fate, most of the time i use lftp, which is cli based and awesome!
[11:48] <Brunellus> arrrrgh. madwifi won't build
[11:48] <KinK> ok.. stupid q... where hell unbo asks root password @ installation`?
[11:48] <Razor-X> robotgeek: is it?
[11:48] <Razor-X> hmmmm....
[11:48] <Brunellus> KinK:  ubuntu disables 'root' by default--
[11:48] <Razor-X> does it use curses?
[11:48] <robotgeek> Razor-X, one word, tab completion!
[11:48] <Brunellus> all su functions are accomplished with 'sudo'.
[11:49] <Brunellus> try it, you'll love it.  and you'll always have sudo su
[11:49] <robotgeek> Razor-X, with mirroring and stuff
[11:49] <Razor-X> su == Superuser
[11:49] <Razor-X> sudo == Superuser do
[11:49] <Razor-X> robotgeek: crazy
[11:49] <KinK> Brunellus, nice..
[11:49] <Razor-X> Brunellus: or sudo -s
[11:49] <Brunellus> yes, that's right.
[11:49] <Brunellus> OK. I think I've worked out what my problem is
[11:49] <Razor-X> plus sudoedit is real convenient in a non-root session of emacs
[11:49] <Subliminal> installing acroread-plugin, fails with "E: Broken packages"
[11:49] <robotgeek> Razor-X, lftp rocks and does support everything else..with support for bookmarks too!
[11:49] <D1> gnome is in desperate need of a fully featured ftp client. ;[
[11:50] <KinK> Brunellus, so.. if i want adduser?
[11:50] <Brunellus> $sudo adduser
[11:50] <robotgeek> D1, gftp ??
[11:50] <KinK> sudo adduser?
[11:50] <D1> no tls support
[11:50] <D1> and a terrible interface.
[11:50] <robotgeek> Razor-X, emacs doesn't have a ftp client inbuilt??
[11:50] <D1> lacks options
[11:50] <Brunellus> I think my problem is that I need a newer version of the madwifi drivers
[11:50] <catolh> is it normal for firefox to bork up when using the mplayer plugin?
[11:50] <Razor-X> robotgeek: hmmm... maybe I should check that out!
[11:50] <robotgeek> D1, ah okay!
[11:50] <Brunellus> the most recent cvs won't build
[11:50] <mumbles> argh
[11:50] <mumbles> bored and hyper
[11:51] <KinK> dammit.. i still love demian.. :D
[11:51] <robotgeek> KinK, did u mean debian?
[11:51] <Brunellus> is there an updated madwifi driver on the breezy servers?
[11:51] <mumbles> and also tired
[11:51] <KinK> robotgeek, mmm...waat eva.. :D
[11:51] <Razor-X> hahaha, it does have an FTP clien
[11:51] <Razor-X> s/clien/client/
[11:51] <Razor-X> I feel like a total idiot ;)
[11:52] <Amaranth> Razor-X: talking about emacs? :P
[11:52] <Razor-X> Amaranth: the sexiest ;)
[11:52] <robotgeek> Amaranth, yeah...emacs!
[11:52] <Amaranth> Razor-X: Don't you know? Linux is the library emacs uses to talk to the hardware.
[11:52] <robotgeek> haha...that's a new one
[11:52] <Amaranth> Razor-X: Oh, and emacs would be the perfect OS if only it had a good editor.
[11:52] <robotgeek> :)
[11:52] <Razor-X> Amaranth: yeah, I know that heh
[11:53] <Amaranth> Razor-X: But wait, it has vi-mode so it's finally complete!
[11:53] <Razor-X> Amaranth: exactly
[11:53] <Razor-X> yeah, you can use viLE if you feel the need to really use something so.... neanderthalic ;)
[11:53] <robotgeek> vim does the job well enough for me
[11:53] <Amaranth> emacs is the perfect example of 'every program evolves until it can read email'
[11:53] <robotgeek> :)
[11:54] <Amaranth> I write all my code in gedit, thank you very much.
[11:54] <Brunellus> oh man.  editor wars.
[11:54] <KinK> kewl.. sudo works.
[11:54] <robotgeek> which editor?
[11:54] <Brunellus> stupid question--is there a way to browse the breezy repos?
[11:54] <Amaranth> No one ever believe me when I tell them I wrote smeg in gedit.
[11:54] <Amaranth> Brunellus: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[11:54] <robotgeek> Amaranth, kol
[11:54] <robotgeek> lol!
[11:55] <Razor-X> ahhh, mon emacs, Il est tres magnifique!
[11:55] <joevandyk> Will breezy ship with OO 2.0?
[11:55] <robotgeek> Amaranth, have a python question...can i /msg u?
[11:55] <Razor-X> Amaranth: you wrote smeg?
[11:55] <levander> Anybody know if the ubuntu developers have more plans for amanda or for mondo?  I'd rather use just whichever one they plan to integrate into ubuntu in the future.
[11:55] <Razor-X> Amaranth: congratulations on satiating a host of bleating people ;)
[11:55] <Razor-X> and your excellent work with PearPC
[11:55] <Amaranth> Razor-X: hehe, thanks
[11:55] <levander> robotgeek: you know there is #python
[11:56] <Amaranth> Razor-X: meh, that guide is crap :D
[11:56] <catolh> Could anyone recommend a web-browser that doesnt crash when opening pages that use flash?.. :s
[11:56] <Amaranth> robotgeek: yeah, i'm in #python
[11:56] <Razor-X> catolh: you can always install flash in the browser you're using?
[11:56] <Razor-X> ;)
[11:56] <Amaranth> Ruby: Python for people who couldn't give up Perl.
[11:56] <Amaranth> ;)
[11:56] <robotgeek> oh okay...
[11:56] <robotgeek> :)
[11:56] <Razor-X> Amaranth: everyone says that
[11:56] <catolh> Razor-X, well.. it is installed.. :p
[11:56] <Amaranth> Razor-X: Because it's true. :)
[11:56] <Razor-X> yet, Perl is the only uber-language i've never learned yet ;)
[11:56] <levander> Amaranth: lol, that's exactly what I think about ruby.  Know idea why we needed yet another scripting language when that came out
[11:57] <Brunellus> are the madwifi drivers updated in breezy yet?
[11:57] <Razor-X> catolh: well, have you _configured_ it?
[11:57] <Amaranth> Brunellus: No.
[11:57] <Dr_Melectaus> can you get nero for nix?
[11:57] <Razor-X> only thing is... Ruby code blocks are too weird for me
[11:57] <Razor-X> Dr_Melectaus: I believe so
[11:57] <Samuar> yeah
[11:57] <Samuar> you can
[11:57] <catolh> Razor-X, doesnt it do that by itself if i do apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla ?.. :p
[11:57] <Dr_Melectaus> sweet
[11:57] <Amaranth> Razor-X: You should learn Python and PyGTK, it's what Ubuntu has by default.
[11:57] <Samuar> but you need to own a non-oem version
[11:57] <levander> Dr_Melectaus: graveman, or gnome-baker (baker more simplistic i think)
[11:57] <Samuar> and use that license key
[11:57] <Razor-X> of course, K3B is better than Nero, IMO
[11:57] <catolh> Razor-X, sometimes it works.. and sometimes it just crashes
[11:57] <Chris_Tucker> is it possible to use things like amaroK in the gdm?
[11:57] <Amaranth> Not in gdm, no.
[11:57] <Razor-X> Amaranth: once upon a time, I used to know Python, but sketchily
[11:57] <Dr_Melectaus> lavender, im needing it to make an iso
[11:58] <Amaranth> Chris_Tucker: You can use them in GNOME>
[11:58] <demirg> crimsun: i put output.txt.bz2 to server but cannot mv it to public_html because server does not response my ssh call
[11:58] <Razor-X> Dr_Melectaus: mkisofs ;)
[11:58] <levander> Dr_Melectaus: check those two programs, i'm pretty sure graveman does that
[11:58] <Razor-X> that was out in Linux long before Nero ever use it
[11:58] <Razor-X> s/use/used/
[11:58] <DanglyBits> is there a win32codec file for amd64?
[11:58] <levander> Dr_Melectaus: mkisofs is command line if you want something like that
[11:58] <Razor-X> DanglyBits: you can use VLC
[11:58] <DanglyBits> VLC will play wma ?
[11:58] <levander> Nobody has a recommendation on amanda vs. mondo?
[11:58] <Razor-X> DanglyBits: hmmm, not unless you compile in the WMA patch
[11:59] <Chris_Tucker> Amaranth, if they were previously in KDE, how do you make them work in gnome? apt-get install --reinstall ?  because im not seeing any output devices in my amaroK config
[11:59] <levander> any Linux utilities that can play DRM'd WMA files?
[11:59] <Razor-X> levander: ewwwww
[11:59] <DanglyBits> Razor-X: where do i get vlc and how do i compile in the patch?
[11:59] <Amaranth> 1) w32codecs is illegal, please don't discuss it here and 2) sometime soon VLC will be able to play windows media files
[11:59] <Amaranth> levander: No.
[11:59] <Razor-X> DanglyBits: you can get it off the home page ;)
[11:59] <bagger> Amaranth, it allready does
[11:59] <Razor-X> DRM is a nasty nasty standard
[11:59] <levander> Amaranth: we've discussed w32codecs in here before, you are admin?
[11:59] <Razor-X> DRM is curtailing our rights, that's what
[12:00] <Amaranth> Hi. :)