=== carstenh [~carstenh@mkfw.fh-trier.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [~poningru@pool-70-110-66-96.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === squinn [~squinn@68.205.198.0] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Unfrgiven [~ankur@202.76.176.94] has joined #ubuntu-devel === |rockinnerd| [~chris@adsl-69-212-158-188.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [~shackan@host127-137.pool8255.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [~aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-124-17.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === |rockinnerd| [~chris@adsl-69-212-158-188.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === |rockinnerd| [~chris@adsl-69-212-158-188.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mae [~mae@dpc674653178.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@67.180.162.160] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dr88dr88 [~gerrit@h174040.upc-h.chello.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === colinmcd [~colin@c211-30-192-10.rivrw2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AstralJava [~jaska@cm-062-241-217-117.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:23] infinity: evolution-sharp ftbfs is some fault of mine? it pbuilds locally [01:27] tseng : Looks like unhappy/confused build-deps, or a dirty chroot. I'll play with it in a sec. [01:27] infinity: my hero. [01:30] Very broken build-deps. [01:31] huh. [01:31] From a clean chroot (ie: debootstrap --variant=buildd), try "apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver="1" -s build-dep evolution-sharp" and watch the pain... [01:31] id be happy to fix a problem, but pbuilder had no complaints [01:32] A dirty pbuilder chroot. That's clever... I thought the whole point of it was to avoid that. :) [01:32] hm its not dirty [01:32] it has like.. apt and build-essential [01:32] What arch are you using? [01:32] x86 [01:33] Oh, of course that's where it's failing too, so that doesn't help. [01:33] (I guess it's an arch:i386 package?) [01:33] should be arch:any [01:33] i can log pbuilder happily resolving the build-dep [01:36] Oh, it's arch:all, not any. That's why it only builds on i386. Phew. Thought I was going insane. [01:36] oh yes, im a tool and still get those mixed up [01:36] because they are so distinctive :) [01:37] Yeah, that's one you just need to hammer into your skull. I'm not sure there's any sane way to remember which means which. [01:37] I guess "this can build anywhere" makes more sense than "this can build allwhere"... :) [01:37] http://tseng.ath.cx/pbuilder-log === Aegir [~richard@129.96.218.184] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] Oh, I believe you, it still doesn't explain why both sbuild and apt think something's wrong, unless you have a local package cache or something. === Aegir [~richard@129.96.218.184] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] nope thats feeding off just archive.u.c [01:40] Join #flood [01:40] ill happily fix my bug, just dunno where it is :) === colinmcd [~colin@c211-30-192-10.rivrw2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === infinity [~adconrad@loki.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:46] Flood protection in #flood. How cute. [01:46] Clearly a new feature meant to irritate me. [01:46] yeah that was a real winner [01:46] tseng : http://cerberus.0c3.net/~adconrad/feh.txt [01:47] why the hell cant i paste out of urxvt, i wonder [01:48] getting a 404 on that [01:48] oh [01:48] a*d*conrag [01:48] d [01:49] Package cli-common has broken dep on mono-utils [01:49] feh indeed [01:50] Note that "broken" from apt's point of view just means "doesn't work with everything else I'm trying to do"... So, finding the one culprit requires a bit of digging at times. [01:50] Of course, I assume you know the mono dependency chain better than I. [01:50] unfortunately. [01:53] im guessing either mono-jit or mono-utils [01:53] infinity: is sbuild still using its own logic rather than apt-get build-dep? [01:53] hur hur. [01:53] as libg*-cil is one source package [01:53] mdz : Yes, some days I think that's a pain, other days I think it's a feature. I'm undecided which direction to go with that. [01:53] is it likely that beagle/howl/tomboy will be included in breezy? [01:54] I don't see any obvious breakage in the build-deps there [01:54] mae: howl? no [01:54] mae: beagle, yes [01:54] mdz : The feature aspect is where it blindly ignores alternate dependencies, thus forcing consistent builds. [01:54] infinity: I think apt-get build-dep is the way to go. at one point, elmo switched one of the Debian buildds to use it as a test; not sure what eventually happened with that [01:54] mdz : Something you really don't want on your home machine, but comes in handy for buildds. [01:54] tseng, no rendezvous? [01:54] infinity: surely it doesn't completely ignore them, and will fall back if the first one is not available? [01:55] mae: the current implementation of howl is restricted by apple patents [01:55] mae: its being rewritten [01:55] tseng, i see :) [01:55] mdz : It used to have a conniption fit if the first was unavailable. If that's since been fixed, then sbuild's dependency handling is basically identical to apt-get, and we should just switch. [01:56] mdz : I haven't looked at that part of the code for a while, TBH. [01:56] infinity: perhaps we should give that a try for the breezy full test rebuild [01:57] mdz : I'm game for that, but it means pulling one buildd out of the rotation (like that's an issue anyway.. We can rebuild the whole archive on the fast buildds in a couple of days..) [01:57] mdz : elmo and I have other tests (kernel stress-testing and such) scheduled around pulling a buildd out of rotation too, so perhaps we should tweak sbuild there as well and see how badly it goes. [01:57] sounds good [01:58] python or ruby? [01:58] mae: python has always been a main target. ruby is in universe [01:58] mae: could you please consult packages.ubuntu.com for this sort of thing? [01:59] infinity: could the mono problem be mono-jit depending on a virtual package provided by mono-classlib-1.0? [01:59] tseng, that wasn't meant to be a question about breezy, I was just wondering what your thought were on the two languages? :) [02:00] mae: canonical development is all python-centric. [02:00] but please, this channel is for development work. we like to offload general questions to other channels [02:00] ajmitch : I'd have to do more digging to really know for sure what the issue is. I assumed tsend already had a handle on things, so I stopped wasting cycles on it. :) [02:00] im looking at it, i dont see anything obvious so far [02:01] if it is, then it should be easily fixable [02:01] in mono [02:01] besides that I ruled out libg*-cil [02:01] as its all one source package [02:01] and sbuild liked it just fine when it build beagle [02:01] time for lunch :) [02:02] hm. [02:02] tseng : Uhm, mono-classlib-1.0-1.1.8.2 just plain doesn't exist. That's not THAT hard to find. [02:03] ii mono-classlib-1.0 1.1.8.2-1ubuntu1 [02:04] hm? [02:04] oh [02:04] Is it in universe, perchance? [02:04] Cause evolution-sharp isn't. :) [02:04] how the hell did he manage that [02:05] oh [02:05] Time to set your pbuilder up for the main/universe split. [02:05] yes it was NEW the other day [02:06] good one.. [02:07] mdz: can we fix that? NEW bins from mono need seeded [02:07] tseng: why? [02:08] is this mono-gmcs? [02:08] oh, mono-classlib* [02:08] Package: mono-classlib-1.0 [02:08] mono-classlib-1.0-dbg [02:08] mono-classlib-2.0 [02:08] nothing depends or build-depends on it? [02:08] mono-classlib-2.0-dbg [02:08] classlib-1.0 is a move from mono-assemblies-arch [02:08] er, -assemblies-base [02:08] the 2.0 stuff has no build-deps [02:09] and -dbg is just debug, naturally [02:09] these are the binaries built from mono which are currently in breezy/universe: [02:09] mdz : Oh, that could be an argument for not using apt-get build-dep. If I resolve the build deps myself, then do "apt-get foo bar baz" I get informative messages about baz being uninstallable or foo not existing. [02:09] mono-classlib-1.0 | 1.1.8.2-1ubuntu1 | breezy/universe | all [02:09] mono-classlib-1.0-dbg | 1.1.8.2-1ubuntu1 | breezy/universe | all [02:09] mono-classlib-2.0 | 1.1.8.2-1ubuntu1 | breezy/universe | all [02:09] mono-classlib-2.0-dbg | 1.1.8.2-1ubuntu1 | breezy/universe | all [02:09] mono-gmcs | 1.1.8.2-1ubuntu1 | breezy/universe | all [02:09] yes, exactly [02:09] mdz : If I use apt-get build-dep, I just get "E: build-dep can't be satisfied, you suck." [02:09] mdz : And most people can't read pkgProblemResolver output to save their lives (as evidenced here) [02:10] tseng: so mono-gmcs should be in main, too? no new/unwanted deps? [02:10] infinity: still, it seems a bit silly to have two implementations of this [02:11] infinity: it wouldn't be hard to add an sbuild-bug-compatible mode to apt-get build-dep [02:11] mdz : Agreed. Could we get more informative error reporting, then? :) [02:11] infinity: that's Hard [02:11] except in the case where we just emulate sbuild [02:12] infinity: I don't have access to my key at the moment, please add the mono-classlib-* stuff above to the supported seed [02:13] mdz: gmcs shouldnt pull anything else to main, no. [02:13] I've not mucked with seeds before. Where do they live? [02:13] mdz: and none of that stuff has things build-dep on it for breezy [02:14] mdz: *2.0* is non-critical, for the same reason. [02:15] infinity: has been documented on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement forever [02:16] mdz : Ahh, will go ive myself a crash course. I've not ever had cause to edit seeds before. [02:16] s/ive/give/ [02:16] hm, then I think we can promote just mono-classlib-1.0* without anything else complaining. [02:16] 2.0 stuff wont be used until breezy+1 at least === shackan [~shackan@host245-80.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_fletcher [~james@nukeh.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity taps his foot waiting for baz to ... do something useful. [02:23] dude, its merging [02:23] :) [02:23] Yes, I know. Doesn't mean I have to appreciate it. [02:34] Alright, which packages specifically? mono-classlib-1.0{,-dbg}? [02:38] infinity: yes [02:38] infinity: do you see mono-classlib-1.0-1.1.8.2? [02:39] hm oh [02:39] it just drops to mono-classlib-1.0 [02:39] or, apt does. ill not speak for sbuild [02:40] schweeb: sudo apt-get install xauth === colinmcd [~colin@c211-30-192-10.rivrw2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Clint is now known as anita === anita is now known as Clint [02:41] daniels: is it in now? I searched apt for it earlier [02:41] schweeb: should be [02:41] ah, it's waiting for the binaries to be NEWed [02:41] it'll probably happen in about 10h when the UK's awake [02:41] k === Aegir [~richard@129.96.218.184] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:42] I downgraded to -34 or -36 and managed to get NX working [02:48] tseng, mdz : done, btw. [02:52] will (Free)NX be available in breezy? [02:52] infinity: thanks muchly [02:54] spacey: probably not [02:54] spacey: its build system is bizzare and horrible, it's not at all obvious what changes they've made, and, most importantly, their modifications are GPL rather than MIT/X22 [02:54] er, mit/x11 [02:54] ugh, I read FreeVAX [02:54] I need sleep. [02:55] daniels, GPL is ok right? [02:55] seems ok for ubuntu [02:55] spacey: yes but it can't go back upstream [02:56] HrdwrBoB, ah, you mean from freenx -> NX [02:56] ? [02:56] or am i missing a step === spacey pretty tired [02:57] they mean upstream to X, I believe [02:57] ah === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-065-080.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:57] didn't know it NX affected the X codebase [02:57] well it's based off X [02:58] NX, while when it's working is good, is still incredibly arcane [02:58] :) [02:58] I have it working here, and it's not really ready for the wide world of installation and use by J random user [02:59] but its pretty nice for terminal server project [02:59] HrdwrBoB: I have it working on solaris *shudder* [02:59] schweeb: ouch [02:59] anyway i will have to implement it on a hoary install [02:59] spacey: it's not very hard [02:59] hrdwrbob: (desktop system at work) [02:59] HrdwrBoB, good, saves me some time :) [03:00] schweeb: ah, we have two solaris machines here which are on a list for being removed and replaced with linux :) [03:00] good deal. === spacey will migrate few primary schools from windows to linux [03:00] if I had the time to try to get debian or ubuntu on my blade 100 at work, I would [03:00] pretty fun job [03:01] we want to use a ubuntu hoary terminal server with freenx [03:01] should be a nice result [03:02] based on my (limited) experience with it, it should work nicely [03:03] time for bed, goodnight [03:14] hmm. is breezy going to have some sort of clipboard manager? [03:16] spacey: nx changes all the X libraries [03:17] spacey: it has its own libX11, branched from some ancient X version [03:17] spacey: and they've made a heap of really weird changes, not all of which make any sense [03:17] and since then we've also changed a lot about libX11 [03:17] the resulting diff would be a nightmare [03:17] and I refuse on principle to support two completely different X codebases in main [03:18] hmm.. never heard of nx :) [03:18] daniels: IIRC, a huge amount of the diff is doing things like zero'ing unused struct fields to aid transmission [03:19] sladen: and also a whole bunch of other weird stuff. the diff is big and ahiry. [03:20] maybe I need to revisit it, it's been almost two years to the week since Fabionne(?) presented it at UKUUG [03:20] it's also all-GPL, and there's no way I'm going to ship a partially-GPL libX11. [03:20] ahhh. [03:20] since, y'know, people seem to enjoy running X apps with non-GPL-compatible licences. === Aegir [Richard@129.96.218.184] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [travis@ip68-96-139-61.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eazel7 [~eazel7@host206.201-252-102.telecom.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:28] hi ppl [03:29] Hello eazel7 [03:29] hi bddebian [03:29] is breezy usable right now? [03:30] Works for me(tm) [03:30] so long as you don't need, say, X [03:30] Heh [03:30] X is broken? [03:30] /topic [03:31] well, xbase-clients is installable now, but it lost about 40 binaries [03:31] anyone discussed the day light savings thing yet? [03:31] which might come in handy :D [03:31] damn... [03:31] Hmm, maybe it's be quite a while since I upgrade then.. :-) [03:31] i dunno how anyone working on breezy goals has managed without X [03:33] Amaranth: selective upgrading helps [03:33] Amaranth, I read on Planet GNOME that their is a fix for the broken X issue. [03:33] Lots and lots of chroots. [03:33] But I still dont have the balls to upgrade to Breezy [03:33] heh [03:33] i've always just made X work [03:33] Breezy bucked me off last time, it was probably easilly fixable, but eh, I like stability [03:33] why chroot or hold back packages when you can hack it into working mode? :) [03:33] hope it works here 'cause I need it [03:34] eazel7, I doubt it will. [03:34] It's guaranteed to not work if you're not already on it. [03:34] Make sure you have lynx and irssi installed though, you may need them [03:34] anyway, I'll try to get back to hoary's X if it doesn't work [03:34] but I need the latest dbus [03:34] Going back is probably rather... Difficult. [03:35] yes, Marti McFly noticed me [03:35] ;) === `anthony [~anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:41] infinity: so did evo-sharp go to dep-wait now? [03:48] tseng : I was just going to retry it later. I'm up all day anyway. === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mrd` [~matthew@c-24-1-63-132.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] Amaranth, those 40 binaries include useless stuff like xcalc and xeyes ? === HrdwrBoB [~matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] shackan: probably [03:48] shackan: and mkfontdir [03:48] and xedit oh my god won't somebody think of the children [03:49] the major ones are waiting on binary NEWing [03:49] or was that xutils? [03:49] Amaranth: mkfontdir came from xutils, iirc [03:49] daniels: cool [03:49] Amaranth, I hope we will get rid of them eventually :D [03:49] apparently people still want to use xterm also [03:50] I haven't found a terminal emulator with better UTF-8 support than xterm [03:50] err [03:50] you mean uxterm? [03:51] urxvt > * [03:51] crimsun: g-t's utf8 support seems to be fine [03:51] gnome-terminal works fine for me [03:51] daniels: I gave up with double-width Japanese characters some time ago and haven't tried again. [03:52] Amaranth: no, I mean xterm, though uxterm the shell script is fine. [03:53] crimsun, just asking, what's the *.pdpc TLD your connection comes from ? [03:53] shackan: it's a cloak [03:53] shackan: it's just a cloak signifying donation to PDPC. There's more info at www.freenode.net [03:53] like mine is amaranth.user [03:53] oh, ok sorry [04:03] have we reverted to the default upstream spatial? [04:04] I hope so [04:05] the latest nautilus changelog seems to indicate that [04:05] \sh : 5 hours is not "sleep". What's wrong with you? Go back to bed. [04:05] <\sh> infinity: only 4 [04:05] you're definitely hurting yourself [04:06] <\sh> but it's ok...coffee is on its way [04:07] <\sh> my internal clock said: get up get up get busy ;) [04:07] uhm, it's 4 am, I ought to go to sleep as well... [04:08] <\sh> infinity: u received my mail? === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax9-116.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:08] \sh : Yeah, and I assumed I'd have about 8 hours to worry about acting on it. [04:08] \sh : So, go back to bed. [04:08] <\sh> I will go to the shower after I had some coffee and go to the office :) [04:09] Deal. frozenapps will be tidied up in a few minutes. [04:10] <\sh> hahaha..don't worry..take your time :) [04:11] <\sh> but I see, riddell was also busy last night [04:16] morning \sh [04:16] <\sh> hey riddell..u should go to bed as well :) [04:16] yes, I should [04:17] <\sh> just updated the kde stuff from your buildd run...lets see what kdevelop is saying [04:18] <\sh> infinity: what was wrong with the buildds yesterday during business hours ,-) [04:23] \sh : You may have to elaborate. [04:23] mako: three brilliant posts in a row. new record? [04:23] \sh : I can think of a number of things that have been wrong, owing to a few whacky transitions, and some mesa badness. [04:24] \sh : Also, frozenapps updated, the unfrozen ones are on their way to the buildds. [04:24] <\sh> infinity: suddenly it was complaining about: please apt-get update ,-) === infinity -> breakfast, lunch, and maybe dinner too. === \sh is serving a nice freshly brewed coffee :) [04:25] \sh : Yeah, there are some buggy packages in the archive I need to smack around with a big stick. Just ignore build logs like those, they'll get retried when I find the right number of round tuits. [04:26] <\sh> good, so it wasn't me hitting the daemons to bad ,-) [04:27] infinity: yay food [04:27] oh, lunch time === bob2 can thusly justify oporto [04:29] ooh oporto [04:29] I think I will have some [04:30] hm [04:30] breezy is expected for september? [04:30] it's almost tempting to pass through oporto on my way through today [04:31] since I'll be within a block or two of QV (thus, Oporto) [04:31] eazel7: 5.10 = october 2005 [04:31] but I have homemade steak and mushroom pie in the fridge, so [04:31] aah [04:31] do it, do it [04:31] I didn't know that! [04:31] ah [04:32] is that a british thing? === eazel7 's crossing fingers [04:33] pies with meat [04:33] they stole it from us [04:33] in 1788 or so [04:33] i found the ones in sydney quite unappetizing [04:33] hah [04:33] tseng: yeah, because you don't have jesters in sydney [04:33] it's hard to find a good pie [04:33] tseng: come down to melbourne and I'll show you a proper pie [04:33] Uhm [04:33] the only similar thing in the states is chicken pot pie [04:33] which can be excelent [04:34] I wouldn't take that suggestion [04:34] sounds me strange [04:34] food can be either excellent or bad, news at 11 [04:34] i would simply postulate that strange aussie meat pies are more likely to be bad than not [04:34] the ones you can get in milkbars and stuff are terrible [04:35] perhaps you accidentally bought a "praerie oyster" pie [04:35] they're literally made from random offcuts [04:35] what you need to do is get a steak pie [04:35] which actually has real chunks of beef in it [04:35] and preferably also with mushroom [04:35] and onion [04:35] and red wine [04:35] yeah [04:36] this one's just steak + mushroom + carrots + thyme + puff pastry [04:36] sounds interesting [04:36] potentially edible [04:36] wtf? you don't have pies with meat? [04:37] HrdwrBoB: only chicken pot pies [04:37] daniels: esp one that is upside down in peas [04:37] but, I fear we've wandered far into the domain of off-topicness [04:37] HrdwrBoB: UGH [04:37] sorry, its nearly 11pm here [04:38] <\sh> ah yes..A nice 500gramm steak from a corn-fed beef....medium for me pls...and a nice mushroom sauce with some (what a culture) french fries + a heavy dark red wine from france or za...yes...welcome to the real world, neo [04:38] daniels, every chicken pot pie I've ever ordered had no pot in it... [04:42] hahaha [04:48] good night australia [04:48] (and crazy european types) [04:48] <\sh> I heard that ,-) === squinn [~squinn@68.205.198.0] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [04:51] <\sh> infinity: if you have time...please get rezound into the buildd run :) thx [05:02] wtf [05:03] someone posted to ubuntu-devel, via the forums, asking for help with some other distribution [05:03] we get the occasional debian question in #ubuntu [05:04] bob2: (a) all Linux is good Linux, (b) they may be so impressed with the service as to choose Ubuntu next time === Aegir [~Richard@129.96.218.184] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lexhider [~lexhider@dip-220-235-87-136.vic.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman_ is now known as GmanAFK [05:40] <`anthony> bob2: crap. it used to work. oh well, will fix later. === tritium [~tritium@12-208-96-155.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.210.238] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [~tritium@12-208-96-155.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [06:06] morning [06:06] Morning fabbione === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.114.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:36] God, I want to pass out in the worst way.. === colinmcd [~colin@c211-30-192-10.rivrw2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === bddebian hands infinity some Nytol [06:41] <\sh> now I know how I can remember bddebians first name Barry...Barry "TheFlash" Allen ,-) [06:41] Heh [06:42] Just please, anything but Brian :-) [06:42] <\sh> I think I'd uploaded a sponsored by message with brian this morning..i'm not sure... [06:42] No worries [06:43] <\sh> no lucky ,-) [06:43] <\sh> infinity: thx btw for rezound...just fixed the last bit of crap in it..now it's building nicely === Xof [~mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:47] \sh : NP. === Panzerboy [~NoName@panzerboy.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GmanAFK is now known as Gman_ === thoreauputic_ [~prospero@wolax7-142.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:25] good morning === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.114.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === comadreja [~comadreja@80.224.108.186] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [~Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:35] <\sh> re === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:41] Good morning === MagnusR [~magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:44] <\sh> hey pitti...so early? ;) [07:50] \sh: why, that's my usual time :-) === JaneW [~JaneW@wbs-146-128-37.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:50] Hey JaneW [07:51] <\sh> pitti: And mom Infinity tells me I have to go to bed at 2amUTC [07:51] <\sh> lol [07:52] <\sh> good morning jane :) [07:53] morning pitti [07:53] hi \sh [07:54] hi JaneW [07:55] hi jsgotangco [07:59] <\sh> that was it for breakfast...3 bread rolles with chocolate pieces inside and another coffee...I'm happy...now I can work === ealden [~ealden@219.90.92.48] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:10] <\sh> elmo: please sync vflib3 from debian pls (see Ubuntu #12267) === mitsuhiko [~blackbird@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vedran [~vedran@195.130.52.250] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [~marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [Richard@129.96.218.184] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize_ [~marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [~Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@gnulinuxer.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [Richard@129.96.218.184] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:52] mdz: ping? === highvoltage [~Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:08] fabbione, he doesn;t seem to be on-line... [09:08] JaneW: yup.. no biggie... [09:08] fabbione, is midnight here [09:12] elmo: please sync krb5 (override ok) [09:12] Burgundavia: yup.. i know.. but sometimes he is awake longer [09:12] pitti, how would I go about requesting a uvf breakage? [09:13] Burgundavia: ask Kamion and/or mdz; if it's universe, ogra's ack is probably sufficient [09:13] pitti, tis main, Inkscape and Screem === highvoltage [~Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:31] elmo: please sync cacti === TWD [~chatzilla@APoitiers-103-2-1-52.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:41] elmo: please sync bugzilla (new upstream microrelease with two security fixes, universe) === crispin[zzz] is now known as crispin === sto_ is now known as sto === martink [~martin@p54B3A40D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === {Seb} [~{Seb}@195.137.120.148] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chmj [~chmj@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] <{Seb}> now the feature freeze has occured, will the kernel be updated again? === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+o fabbione] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+b *!*@196.36.161.*] by fabbione === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-o fabbione] by fabbione === Valandil [~chrys@dsl-084-056-099-133.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+o fabbione] by ChanServ === chmj was kicked off #ubuntu-devel by fabbione (Banned) === marilize was kicked off #ubuntu-devel by fabbione (Banned) [10:18] ops === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-b *!*@196.36.161.*] by fabbione === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+b *!*@195.137.120.*] by fabbione === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-26-119.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-o fabbione] by fabbione [10:20] ride the channelmodes [10:20] i realized 2 secs too late i added the wrong ban :) [10:21] "oops" [10:21] oh well [10:21] <\sh> fabbione: whats up with seb? [10:21] constantly off-topic [10:21] harassing devels [10:21] <\sh> well yes [10:21] he has been warned tons of times [10:21] in other news, Hosting Geek got banned from another channel I follow [10:21] in several polite ways [10:22] \sh: read Planet Suse for his opinions on Ubuntu :) [10:22] gotta go [10:22] bbl [10:22] fabbione: dude, that's a very global ban... [10:22] <\sh> Treenaks: planet.suse.? [10:22] <\sh> com?net?org? [10:22] \sh: planetsuse.org [10:22] thom: nah.. it's a C class [10:22] elmo: Hey seb128 [10:22] the original seb :) [10:22] thom: welcome to refine it if you like :) [10:23] i am not jalous of my bans [10:23] i realy gotta go [10:23] later [10:23] elmo: I collected the bunch of syncs requests: squirrelmail, cacti, krb5 (override ok), bugzilla (new upstream microrelease with two security fixes, universe); thanks === carlos [~carlos@243.Red-83-47-24.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] <\sh> Treenaks: lol...this guy is 16 ,-) no wonder [10:25] <\sh> Treenaks: and he' [10:25] <\sh> 's sitting without some pants on in front of a camera...*lol* [10:26] \sh: 8-| [10:26] pitti: hi :) [10:26] <\sh> oh sorry..short pants..but anyway === highvoltage [~Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:27] \sh: *shudder* [10:28] <\sh> well...lets see if in #kde-devel some kwave guys are === ironwolf [~ironwolf@67.180.162.160] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chmj [~chmj@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:36] \sh: who? [10:37] \sh: that's scaring [10:37] <\sh> trulux: i have some asm bugs in kwave on amd64...and the supplied patch doesn't work === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dr88dr88 [~gerrit@h174040.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [Richard@d220-238-202-218.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:48] <\sh> http://www.voresoel.dk/ <- the beer for oss hackers *lol* === Mez [~Mez@82.13.236.115] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martinhj [~martinhj@host-81-191-103-214.bluecom.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === retrix [~sam@ppp202-51.lns1.adl1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === comadreja [~comadreja@comadreja.active.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] hi developers [10:55] I have pretty simple question [10:56] I would like to create package with single .el file (for emacs) [10:56] and my question is - do I need to put this single .el file into tar.gz [10:58] because when trying dh_make with -f ../somefile.el then I got error on dpkg-buildpackage (empty somefile.orig.tar.gz) [10:59] yes [11:00] any idea what if anything has happened to the BreezyGoal ServerInstallation? [11:02] Treenaks, hmm then howto create package with files from cvs are there any docs/samples how to do this? [11:04] marcin: there's cvs-buildpackage [11:04] marcin: maybe it can help you? === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:09] Treenaks, hmm maybe [11:10] Treenaks, but first I need to understand how this guy: http://usefulinc.com/edd/notes/CVSEmacsOnDebian builds snapshot packages with regular dpkg-buildpackage [11:11] marcin: you can do that too [11:11] marcin: there is a lot of packaging HOWTOs etc. on debian.org [11:13] Treenaks, yes I know - reading maint-guide now but propably the best learning path is by reading some code from existing packages [11:13] marcin: apt-get source a lot :) [11:14] Treenaks, sure... in fact I didn't know that packaging for debian/ubuntu is so complicated :/ [11:15] Treenaks, and especially _overcomplicated_ for emacs packages... [11:15] it's not really complicated.. all you need is a directory with source and a debian directory with ruled, changelog and control files (and maybe some more if you need them) [11:15] marcin: emacs is overcomplicated anyway :) [11:15] ruled=rules [11:16] Treenaks, control,changelog etc are pretty simple [11:17]