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| fabbione | morning | 06:05 |
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| desrt | word. | 06:41 |
| fabbione | hey desrt | 07:06 |
| fabbione | happy with your new headers? | 07:06 |
| fabbione | desrt: btw i did look at that driver you requested | 07:06 |
| fabbione | i might included it in the next kernel | 07:07 |
| fabbione | (was too close to release for the previous) | 07:07 |
| fabbione | but you need to get somebody to pkg the utilities | 07:07 |
| desrt | fabbione; oh. i didn't know you received those bugs :) | 07:07 |
| desrt | and yes. the headers are working flawlessly. thank you very much :) | 07:07 |
| fabbione | desrt: i get them automatically :) | 07:08 |
| desrt | i love bugzilla :) | 07:08 |
| fabbione | i don't | 07:08 |
| fabbione | it tells me that i suck at maintaining the kernel :P | 07:09 |
| desrt | oh. why not? | 07:09 |
| desrt | no. it tells you that maintaining a kernel is a hard job | 07:09 |
| fabbione | nah just kidding ;) | 07:09 |
| desrt | btw... the first time i ever talked to you was at jdub's recommendation... almost 6 months ago | 07:09 |
| desrt | i don't know if you remember why that was | 07:10 |
| fabbione | hmmm i can't really remember... | 07:11 |
| desrt | gamin. | 07:11 |
| fabbione | probably.. gamin sucks :P | 07:11 |
| desrt | and the reason i brought it up: still some cases where it stops working :/ | 07:11 |
| fabbione | ahhh yeah | 07:11 |
| fabbione | now i reacall | 07:11 |
| desrt | my desktop stopped updating again yesterday | 07:11 |
| fabbione | there is probably nothing to update :) | 07:12 |
| fabbione | it was sunday | 07:12 |
| desrt | no.. i mean, i was saving files with firefox | 07:12 |
| desrt | and i had to ctrl+r the desktop to get them to appear | 07:12 |
| fabbione | what kernel? | 07:13 |
| desrt | 2.6.12-whatever | 07:13 |
| desrt | 3? | 07:13 |
| fabbione | because the latest gamin needs the latest kernel | 07:13 |
| desrt | -4 | 07:13 |
| desrt | oh hmmm | 07:13 |
| fabbione | inotify did change from something to ioctl... | 07:13 |
| fabbione | or whatever... | 07:13 |
| desrt | maybe i installed a new gamin but had an old kernel | 07:13 |
| fabbione | and they need to be synced | 07:13 |
| desrt | and have only recently rebooted | 07:14 |
| fabbione | mostlikely | 07:14 |
| desrt | ok | 07:14 |
| desrt | hm | 07:14 |
| desrt | actually, it's broken right now | 07:14 |
| desrt | Linux moonpix 2.6.12-4-686-smp #1 SMP Fri Jul 22 12:56:02 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux | 07:14 |
| desrt | i just touched a file on my desktop... nautilus doesn't show it until manual refresh | 07:15 |
| fabbione | can you check if dmesg has comething? | 07:15 |
| fabbione | something... | 07:15 |
| desrt | what am i looking for? | 07:15 |
| fabbione | dunno | 07:15 |
| fabbione | anything ... | 07:15 |
| desrt | [4294670.897000] inotify syscall | 07:15 |
| desrt | this is all, really | 07:15 |
| === fabbione sighs | ||
| fabbione | ok i will need to check gamin source and our inotify patch | 07:15 |
| fabbione | perhaps the syscalls aren't synced properly | 07:15 |
| === desrt checks a few more things here | ||
| fabbione | i am pretty sure i have an idea of what's broken... | 07:16 |
| desrt | btw: restart nautilus -> works fine again | 07:18 |
| fabbione | hmm | 07:24 |
| fabbione | i wonder if it is a nautilus issue | 07:24 |
| fabbione | if the syscalls were not synced, it wouldn't work at all | 07:24 |
| fabbione | desrt: there is a tutorial on the gnome/gain website | 07:24 |
| fabbione | that explains how to debug gamin | 07:24 |
| infinity | (Like when running a breezy kernel on hoary, for instance) | 07:25 |
| infinity | God, my lack of updating desktop is irritating. | 07:25 |
| desrt | infinity; you too? | 07:25 |
| fabbione | iirc sending a kill -USR2 to the gamin process will enable and dump debugging info in /tmp | 07:25 |
| desrt | oh. that's useful. | 07:25 |
| fabbione | infinity: yes.. you cannot run breezy kernels on hoary | 07:25 |
| infinity | desrt : Yes, but I know why mine doesn't work. :) | 07:25 |
| desrt | infinity; :) | 07:25 |
| fabbione | desrt: but please check the website for the correct signals | 07:25 |
| desrt | mine looks just like the same old bug that was a problem around hoary-prerelease time | 07:26 |
| fabbione | and be sure to issue the command once again to stop it :) | 07:26 |
| infinity | fabbione : Sure I can, I just have a few broken features. On the other hand, my network works and my machine doesn't crash. The machine's going breezy once I make X less suck. | 07:26 |
| desrt | fabbione; produces fabulous amounts of output? :) | 07:26 |
| fabbione | desrt: quite :) | 07:26 |
| fabbione | infinity: yeah well.. broken features for you are show stoppers for users | 07:27 |
| fabbione | infinity: you know that ;) | 07:27 |
| infinity | ;) | 07:27 |
| fabbione | fantastic.. | 07:27 |
| desrt | fyi, http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/debug.html | 07:27 |
| fabbione | fresh breezy install.. X manages to hang my keyboard because fixed fonts are missing.... | 07:27 |
| fabbione | LOVELY | 07:28 |
| desrt | fixed fonts aren't missing | 07:28 |
| desrt | mkfontdir is missing | 07:28 |
| desrt | X can't generate the fontdir cache... therefore can't find any fonts | 07:28 |
| infinity | It's not "missing", it's just gone for a bit of a jaunt around the block. | 07:28 |
| desrt | well... i'll be very happy when it gets back from its jaunt :) | 07:28 |
| infinity | People get so upset about the smallest binaries... | 07:28 |
| desrt | mkfontdir, xset, xkb*, xmodmap, ... | 07:29 |
| infinity | desrt : It's all coming back in good time. | 07:29 |
| desrt | i copied all of the stuff i needed (including fontdir caches) in from my laptop :) | 07:29 |
| infinity | SOme of the xbk stuff already came back in xkbutils. | 07:29 |
| fabbione | now.. where is daniels when i need to test my new dildo set? | 07:30 |
| desrt | fabbione; those new USB-powered dildos? | 07:30 |
| infinity | I'd be nice to him, if I were you. | 07:30 |
| infinity | We still need to assing the "make sure X upgrades smoothly from hoary" task to someone. | 07:31 |
| fabbione | desrt: yes.. with IRDA remote control support ;) | 07:31 |
| fabbione | infinity: remember that i did Xfree86 -> Xorg | 07:31 |
| fabbione | infinity: i know what we are talking about | 07:31 |
| fabbione | and Xorg -> Xorg is simpler | 07:31 |
| infinity | (Daniel's got the "make it modular and make it work" task, and I've got the "make sure the bloody thing builds in a deterministic and bootstrappable fashion" task...) | 07:31 |
| fabbione | infinity: btw.. xkbdutils didn't enter the archive yet? | 07:32 |
| infinity | Yeah, upgrading is the simplest of the bunch, but it's still going to nee a mess of testing, and soon. | 07:32 |
| infinity | Oh, is it still NEW? Or did I get the name wrong? | 07:32 |
| fabbione | no idea.. you tell me :) | 07:32 |
| infinity | Or... It's FTBFS, and I've been too busy to notice. | 07:33 |
| === infinity runs to fix that. | ||
| fabbione | i got the new libxaw.. that's good | 07:33 |
| fabbione | what pkg has mkfontdir now? | 07:34 |
| fabbione | daniels: ? | 07:36 |
| fabbione | modprobe -k dildo | 07:36 |
| fabbione | USB: Detected sodomotron on port 1:1.1 | 07:36 |
| fabbione | USB: enabling /dev/sodomotron device for immediate access | 07:37 |
| === infinity uploads a new libxaw... | ||
| desrt | one day... one day i will upload. | 07:42 |
| fabbione | hmmm i can't remeber how i did fix the KBD problem... | 07:46 |
| fabbione | AH RIGHT | 07:48 |
| fabbione | xkbdutils :) | 07:48 |
| fabbione | dpkg-deb: building package `xkbutils' in `./xkbutils_7.0-2_i386.deb'. | 07:49 |
| daniels | fabbione: mkfontdir doesn't really exist right now | 07:49 |
| daniels | i'll fix that tonight | 07:49 |
| daniels | not at home at the moment | 07:49 |
| daniels | and yeah, I'll be making sure upgrades work fine, but right now they're not even close | 07:50 |
| fabbione | daniels: eheh dude... you know how much i love to tease you | 07:50 |
| daniels | xkbutils got source ACCEPTED, but still needs its binaries NEWed | 07:50 |
| fabbione | but i need to get a working breezy on one machine | 07:50 |
| fabbione | and i am checking all the gotchas | 07:50 |
| daniels | yeah, fair enough | 07:50 |
| daniels | it's still a work in progress :) but gotta run now | 07:50 |
| daniels | later | 07:51 |
| fabbione | (EE) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap | 07:51 |
| fabbione | (EE) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap | 07:51 |
| fabbione | daniels: help me only one sec | 07:51 |
| fabbione | i fixed it yesterday.. but i can't remember how | 07:51 |
| fabbione | do you recall it? | 07:51 |
| desrt | fabbione; you can just copy the fonts.cache-1 files from another box | 07:51 |
| fabbione | desrt: i already fixed the fonts problem | 07:51 |
| infinity | daniels : Binaries kinda had to build first. *cough* | 07:51 |
| desrt | :) | 07:51 |
| infinity | daniels : I just uploaded a new libxaw that xkbutils is now build-dep on. | 07:51 |
| desrt | you guys never dpkg-buildpackage, right? you just upload the source package to the build farm.... | 07:53 |
| infinity | dpkg-buildpackage -S :) | 07:53 |
| fabbione | i do | 07:53 |
| infinity | But yes, I do binary builds before I upload. | 07:53 |
| infinity | I just don't upload the binaries. | 07:53 |
| infinity | I do "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -S ; dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -b"... If the latter succeeds, I sign and upload the results of the former. | 07:54 |
| desrt | is the ftp archive signing machine-generated? | 07:58 |
| fabbione | desrt: ? | 07:58 |
| desrt | the binary .deb's are signed by "ftpmaster@ubuntu.com" | 07:59 |
| fabbione | the .deb are not signed | 07:59 |
| infinity | The uploads are. | 07:59 |
| desrt | but aren't the actual .deb's md5'd and then the list is signed? | 08:00 |
| desrt | like, the actual binary debs | 08:00 |
| fabbione | desrt: nope... | 08:00 |
| fabbione | there is no need to | 08:00 |
| infinity | Yes. The binary .changes are signed. | 08:00 |
| fabbione | desrt: only the sources are signed | 08:00 |
| infinity | fabbione : The binaries are too, dude. | 08:00 |
| desrt | then what's the point of apt-key and why does apt-get sometimes warn you about unauthenticated packages? | 08:01 |
| fabbione | infinity: yeah but in the .changes | 08:01 |
| infinity | fabbione : Yes, that's what he was talking about. | 08:01 |
| fabbione | there is no signatures of the md5 inside the deb | 08:01 |
| desrt | right.. i think it's in the Releases file | 08:01 |
| fabbione | desrt: it's a chain | 08:01 |
| fabbione | basically you verify that the Release file has a good signature | 08:01 |
| fabbione | that means that the Packages.gz can be trusted via md5 check on top of the Release file | 08:02 |
| infinity | desrt : That is the Releases file, which verifies the integrity of the Packages file, which verfies the integrity of the debs, which were verified by a signed .changes when they were uploaded. | 08:02 |
| infinity | And yes, Releases.gpg is autosigned. | 08:02 |
| desrt | infinity; gotcha. thanks :) | 08:02 |
| infinity | Release.gpg, even. | 08:02 |
| fabbione | if the Contents of Packages is verified, it means that the md5 contained in it for the binary debs can be trusted | 08:02 |
| desrt | makes sense | 08:03 |
| desrt | i imagine that we can't be too far away, though, from someone being able to feasibly calculate MD5^-1(x) | 08:03 |
| infinity | MD5 can be broken, but can you break it AND deliver data that does something useful (or malicious)? | 08:04 |
| infinity | That's a much bigger challenge. | 08:04 |
| desrt | well... you can write a bad package | 08:04 |
| infinity | Collisions can happen. Interesting collisions, I'm not so sure about. | 08:04 |
| desrt | then add some useless padding bytes into the end of it to make the md5 match | 08:05 |
| infinity | Harder than you'd think. | 08:05 |
| infinity | Especially since the file size also has to match. | 08:05 |
| desrt | difficult... but md5 is getting weaker by the day | 08:05 |
| fabbione | desrt: that's why the Release contains also teh SHA1 | 08:06 |
| infinity | I suspect a picture of my cat probably has the same MD5 as libc6.deb, but I'm not sure how I can use this to take over the world. | 08:06 |
| desrt | that i didn't know. | 08:06 |
| fabbione | and mathing both md5 adn sha1 at the same time is impossible | 08:06 |
| desrt | that makes it very much more difficult | 08:06 |
| infinity | fabbione : It's the sha1 of the Packages file, we don't carry the sha1 of the debs. | 08:06 |
| desrt | plus.. honestly | 08:06 |
| infinity | fabbione : So you could still poision individual debs. But really, I think the argument is moot. | 08:06 |
| desrt | half the time it says "packages can't be authenticated" i just hit "yes, continue" anyway | 08:07 |
| desrt | so who cares :) | 08:07 |
| infinity | If I have access to poision you in such a sophisticated way, I can probably do something muhc simpler to you. | 08:07 |
| fabbione | desrt: echo 'APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated "1";' > /etc/apt/apt.conf | 08:08 |
| fabbione | and you will forget even to press enter ;) | 08:08 |
| desrt | nah... i'd at least like it to tell me :) | 08:09 |
| infinity | It still tells you. | 08:10 |
| infinity | It just doesn't pause for confirmation. | 08:10 |
| infinity | "Foo bar baz are unauthenticated, but installing anyway, cause the override is on <zooom!>" | 08:10 |
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| jbailey | lamont: *poke* | 04:02 |
| jbailey | lamont: I still need you to let me know if I can book you soonish for another biarch setup, or if infinity is capable of doing it. | 04:03 |
| jbailey | lamont: doko is threatening to beat me... | 04:03 |
| jbailey | And as interesting as that sounds, Angie is the jealous type. | 04:03 |
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| fabbione | doko: gcc-snapshot is running the testsuite here... on sparc | 07:14 |
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| doko | fabbione: it's not biarch, that's the reason it works | 08:06 |
| fabbione | ah | 08:12 |
| fabbione | ok | 08:12 |
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