[12:00] <Razor-X> Amaranth: w32codecs is legal, but non-free, IIRC
[12:00] <bagger> w32codecs are not illegal
[12:00] <bagger> absolutely not
[12:00] <Amaranth> It's so illegal it's almost funny.
[12:00] <mumbles> :p
[12:00] <bagger> it is a missunderstanding
[12:00] <Razor-X> hmmm, how so?
[12:00] <Razor-X> (not that I use them, anyways)
[12:00] <Amaranth> Copyright infringement.
[12:00] <bagger> no
[12:00] <Amaranth> Yes.
[12:00] <bagger> no
[12:01] <Amaranth> Explain why you think not or stop discussing it.
[12:01] <levander> I've never heard this before that w32codecs is copyright infringement, find hard to believe
[12:01] <bagger> ok.. end of discussion..
[12:01] <bagger> no use with you
[12:01] <bagger> it's a shame
[12:01] <bagger> :(
[12:01] <niran> levander, er... aren't the w32codecs copied straight from a windows installation?
[12:01] <mumbles> something to do with the fact that micro$t registered the code
[12:01] <Amaranth> levander: It's DLL files taken from a Windows machine. How could it not be copyright infringement?
[12:01] <Chris_Tucker> how do i make amaroK pick up my gnome esound audio device?
[12:01] <niran> levander, i.e. mostly copyright microsoft
[12:01] <demirg> crimsun: done, here is the link: http://www.students.itu.edu.tr/~demirg/output.txt.bz2
[12:02] <levander> Amaranth: it's a copyright infringement to copy a file?
[12:02] <Amaranth> levander: ...
[12:02] <Wyzard> levander: If you don't have a license to do so, then yes
[12:02] <KinK> hmm.. where i can found ifconfig-ipaddress-config-file? :)
[12:03] <Wyzard> though the owner would have a hard time making a case against you if the DLL was meant for public use anyway
[12:03] <levander> bagger: beginning to see your point about no point...
[12:03] <crimsun> demirg: sec
[12:04] <robotgeek> KinK, try /etc/network/interfaces
[12:04] <Amaranth> It's the same as downloading music and movies off the internet.
[12:04] <bagger> ok.. let's turn it arround..
[12:04] <bagger> if.. so.. it means that wine is also illegal
[12:04] <KinK> robotgeek, tnx..
[12:04] <Amaranth> WINE is a reimplementation
[12:04] <bagger> because it uses copied dll's
[12:04] <levander> lol bagger
[12:04] <Amaranth> No it doesn't.
[12:04] <bagger> yes it does
[12:04] <bagger> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:04] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, bagger
[12:04] <Wyzard> bagger: Wine doesn't consist of code copies from Windows
[12:05] <levander> when did the copyright police start running this channel?
[12:05] <Amaranth> They wrote those DLLs.
[12:05] <thelow> anyone who knows how to mount a HFS+ (mac os x) volume in ubuntu?
[12:05] <Wyzard> bagger: The wine authors wrote it themselves
[12:05] <bagger> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[12:05] <bagger> lie lie lie
[12:05] <bagger> not true
[12:05] <tritium> bagger, please stop that
[12:05] <Amaranth> bagger: If you're using Windows DLLs you've done it yourself, WINE is all their own code.
[12:05] <bagger> they did copy it.. i have prove
[12:05] <bagger> they made a wrapper arround them
[12:05] <hybrid> if wine was illegal M$ would have deleted it by now
[12:05] <bagger> that's all
[12:05] <robotgeek> thelow, welcome back
[12:05] <thelow> oh. thanks
[12:05] <thelow> hi
[12:05] <Amaranth> levander: When discussion of illegal things became against the rules.
[12:06] <bagger> hybrid, that's my point
[12:06] <Wyzard> bagger: No, they independently reimplemented the Win32 API
[12:06] <Amaranth> bagger: They did not write a wrapper, I can show you code.
[12:06] <bagger> i can too
[12:06] <levander> boy, this channel would be a lot more on-topic if whoever asked a w32codec question would have just been "allowed" to ask it
[12:06] <Chris_Tucker> ok problem
[12:06] <Chris_Tucker> my firefox wont start
[12:06] <Amaranth> bagger: They wrote those DLL files to be an exact reimplementation of windows ones.
[12:06] <mumbles> :p
[12:06] <hybrid> they made a copy of the ddls b/c you couldnt take closed source and make it open
[12:07] <levander> Chris_Tucker: look in your profile directory for a file called lock, delete it, then restart firefox
[12:07] <catolh> Is there a good guide to get a higher rezolution than 1024@768 ?
[12:07] <Chris_Tucker> ok
[12:07] <bagger> Amaranth, well this is going to end nowhere i'm afraid
[12:07] <bagger> :P
[12:07] <catolh> or an easy trick?.. :p
[12:07] <Brunellus> aaaaaarrrhg.
[12:07] <bagger> yes vs no
[12:07] <Brunellus> Ok.  I'm trying to compile the madwifi driver
[12:07] <levander> bagger: police are just trained to enforce the law, often they don't know what the law is
[12:08] <Brunellus> and when I #make
[12:08] <Tomcat_> !root
[12:08] <ubotu> hmm... root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:08] <tritium> levander, and what are you implying?
[12:08] <Brunellus> it fails, and tells me to enable wireless extensions
[12:08] <Amaranth> levander: Is that you saying I have no idea what I'm talking about?
[12:08] <Brunellus> what on earth is that supposed to mean?
[12:08] <bagger> levander, ehmmm......... come again?
[12:09] <Amaranth> Anyway, discussion over. We're getting nothing out of it and we're way off-topic.
[12:09] <bagger> true..
[12:09] <bagger> :)
[12:09] <bagger> but it was nice.. and edgy too
[12:09] <bagger> >:)
[12:09] <demirg> crimsun: i have got to go to bed, it is too late over here
[12:09] <Chris_Tucker> thanks levander
[12:09] <hybrid> everyone meet in #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:09] <bagger> lol
[12:09] <Brunellus> OK, now I'm mad.
[12:10] <Brunellus> are wireless extensions disabled by default in the hoary-386 kernel?
[12:10] <demirg> crimsun: see you tomorrow
[12:10] <tritium> Brunellus, no
[12:10] <robotgeek> Brunellus, i tht that was from wthe wireless-tools package?
[12:10] <crimsun> demirg: ok
[12:10] <Brunellus> no, I'm trying to build madwifi
[12:11] <Chris_Tucker> where do i find the firefox folder in which firefox is installed
[12:11] <bagger> catolh, to use higher resolution you might need to change your xorg.conf file and set the resolutions there
[12:11] <Chris_Tucker> ?
[12:11] <Brunellus> when I #make
[12:11] <bagger> catolh, and set the default resolution + color depth
[12:11] <levander> i thought i saw a reference somewhere that the ubuntu developers were more interested in amanda than mondo, nobody else has seen this?
[12:11] <Brunellus> madwifi just stops, and tells me to enable wireless extensiosn
[12:11] <othernoob> if i reinstall ubuntu, can i keep /home or does the ubuntu installer not allow that?
[12:11] <catolh> bagger, ok i'll try that
[12:11] <catolh> Thanks
[12:11] <bagger> np
[12:11] <KinK> tnx to all..
[12:12] <KinK> and good night
[12:12] <levander> Chris_Tucker: dpkg -L firefox shows you all the files in the firefox package
[12:12] <levander> othernoob: is /home on a separate partition than / is?
[12:12] <Brunellus> any enlightenment as to the failure of madwifi to build?
[12:12] <othernoob> levander: /home has its own hdd ;)
[12:13] <Amaranth> Brunellus: err, hoary has madwifi already
[12:13] <Amaranth> Brunellus: linux-restricted-modules
[12:13] <levander> Brunellus: sorry, i rarely every build my own software for linux.  I buy hardware that's already advertised as supported. Sorry, can't help.
[12:13] <bagger> othernoob, you can keep /home
[12:13] <bagger> as long it is a separate partition
[12:14] <bagger> you don't format it
[12:14] <bagger> with installer...
[12:14] <levander> othernoob: then I think, yes, you can reinstall ubuntu and keep your current /home.  Just be very careful during the partition step of installation that /home is mounted, but is not supposed to be *formatted*
[12:14] <Brunellus> I bought this card because the wiki had said it was already supported....
[12:14] <levander> othernoob: I'd even make a backup of your /home before doing the re-install if possible.
[12:14] <Brunellus> the madwifi version on the hoary install disk is (I have since learnt) too old to make it work
[12:14] <bagger> levander, no need
[12:15] <bagger> ;)
[12:15] <Brunellus> so I'm reduced to having to build it.  and now it won't build
[12:15] <bagger> othernoob, be carefull to read the dialogs carefully!
[12:15] <levander> bagger: okay, i missed your response while i was typing, i don't know, was just trying to tell him it's most likely going to work, but what to watch out for, etc.
[12:15] <bagger> do NOT format the /home partition or drive
[12:15] <othernoob> bagger: yea i will. that's not the prob. i just remember the ubuntu installer to be very limited in its options
[12:16] <othernoob> and for some reason the system is crapped..
[12:16] <bagger> it it possible to mount a drive/partition and say "not to patition it"
[12:16] <othernoob> and i don't even know why...
[12:16] <Brunellus> I'm furious.
[12:16] <levander> othernoob: limited in options is good thing for linux installer, i remember that there was some extended steps you could go through for partitioning
[12:17] <bagger> err
[12:17] <othernoob> levander: i thought the good thing of linux was choice ;)
[12:17] <bagger> i ment formatting instead of partitioning
[12:17] <bagger> ;)
[12:17] <Brunellus> they're telling me over on #madwifi that the hoary kernel might be too old to build their cvs against
[12:17] <Brunellus> so I need to know how current the breezy version of madwifi is
[12:17] <levander> othernoob: yeah, but not so many choices you drown in them, like linux installers in years gone by have let you do
[12:17] <bagger> othernoob, yes.. correct.. but some choice can lead to problems
[12:18] <Brunellus> and whether or not installing breezy's linux-restricted package will break my moniotr.
[12:18] <levander> Brunellus: just tell them the kernel version number? retrieve it with "uname -a"
[12:18] <robotgeek> a 2.6.10 kernel is too old?
[12:18] <othernoob> bagger: well, it wouldn't be too difficult to make a "just install the damn thing" and "please mr. expert tell me what to do" installer :)
[12:18] <catolh> how do i check where the location of the ubuntu boot partition is?.. Im trying to use a splash screen, but when i used "hd0,1" it didnt work.. just farked up everything.. :p
[12:19] <levander> robotgeek: yeah, sometimes you come across software that's evolving so rapidly, there's no way to compile it against packaged software distributed as stable
[12:19] <mbirkis_> othernoob: isn't that how the current installer works?
[12:19] <bagger> othernoob, such an installer is the linspire installer
[12:19] <DanglyBits> i am trying to get access to debian-marillat..but get this gpg error
[12:19] <levander> robotgeek: happens a lot when software is first being written
[12:19] <othernoob> mbirkis_: not really
[12:19] <mbirkis_> othernoob: what is wrong with the one that is now?
[12:20] <othernoob> mbirkis_: no real choice
[12:20] <bagger> othernoob, the linspire is exactly the click.. and off it goes installing type of mindless setup.. no choices
[12:20] <bagger> :P
[12:20] <DanglyBits> anyone know how i can get into debian-marillat ?
[12:20] <bagger> luckely.. Ubuntu gives some choices
[12:20] <postmodern> is there a way i can download all the ubuntu updates since last release
[12:20] <levander> othernoob: the limited options in installing come in things like detecting hardware you've got, stuff like this.  Stuff that if you can determine yourself, no need to ask the user.
[12:20] <robotgeek> okie...
[12:21] <postmodern> im going to be installing ubuntu on a dialup box, no way I want it to download it all over 56k
[12:21] <othernoob> levander: heh? what?
[12:21] <Amaranth> postmodern: There aren't that many updates.
[12:21] <bagger> Amaranth, some are huge though
[12:21] <postmodern> Amaranth, how big is the average one?
[12:21] <bagger> for a 56k
[12:21] <Amaranth> i thought the biggest one was firefox
[12:21] <levander> othernoob: like detecting your video card is something that's happened in installation processes in the last couple of years.  It used to be that I had to configure X myself every time I re-installed Linux somewhere.
[12:22] <postmodern> so is there some centeral location i can grab the deb files at?
[12:22] <postmodern> and burn them to a cdrom
[12:22] <levander> levander: those are the type of "limited option" things I was talking about earlier.
[12:22] <Amaranth> postmodern: archive.ubuntu.com if you can figure your way around
[12:22] <zerboxx> Anyone know how to go about transfering documents or pdfs to a palm via Evolution (or any other means)???
[12:22] <bagger> or any other ftp mirror...
[12:22] <Amaranth> postmodern: but that has warty, hoary, and breezy stuff all lumped together in /pool
[12:22] <postmodern> Amaranth, excellent
[12:22] <sissons> is there a way to force the removal of a package with dpkg or apt-get?
[12:22] <hybrid> sissons: apt-remove
[12:23] <Amaranth> sissons: sudo apt-get remove package
[12:23] <hybrid> and i think dpkg -r
[12:23] <othernoob> levander: well yes, but the choice of an expert installation still wouldn't hurt.
[12:23] <mak> does anyone know why i get the 'X black screen of death' when i start my laptop with my wireless usb mouse plugged in?
[12:23] <sissons> hybrid,  the removal returns an error in the post-removal script
[12:23] <sissons> and then the package remains
[12:23] <postmodern> Amaranth, yeah im just going with the latest update branch
[12:23] <Brunellus> I can't beliEVE it.
[12:23] <levander> othernoob: you can be more specific? what extra options would you like in an install process?
[12:23] <Amaranth> othernoob: have you tried to boot the installer with 'expert'?
[12:24] <othernoob> anyway..for some reason eth1 and some other things (unknown things) just caused errors during booting. so i'm probably going to reinstall
[12:24] <Brunellus> is there a channel for breezy?
[12:24] <bagger> Brunellus, just a thought.. is your wireless device in the hcl?
[12:24] <Amaranth> Brunellus: This is it.
[12:24] <Brunellus> hc1?
[12:24] <othernoob> Amaranth: iirc, the expert was only for server
[12:24] <levander> othernoob: you can boot without networking?
[12:24] <bagger> Hardware compatibility list
[12:24] <othernoob> levander: for example, the choice of what is being installed..
[12:24] <wing`> anyone there can help me making my network works?
[12:24] <Brunellus> bagger: yes.
[12:25] <Brunellus> everyone reports 'out of the box!"
[12:25] <levander> othernoob: re-instlaling might work, but I've had more success just fixing the problem in Linux.  Unlike my experience on Windows, where the first thing I do is re-install usually.
[12:25] <Brunellus> arrrgh.
[12:25] <bagger> wing`, depends
[12:25] <Brunellus> I want to know what box they hauled it out of
[12:25] <bagger> Brunellus, ok..
[12:25] <othernoob> levander: i can now again, after i fixed a few things... but eth1 gave me ~100000 errors before i used the reset button
[12:25] <Brunellus> apparently, there's been a hardware revision since then
[12:25] <zerboxx> othernoob: Just "walked in" on your conversation.  You could do a server install (installs minimum stuff) and then add whatever you want afterwards *shrug*
[12:25] <Brunellus> but a quick search on the forums finds a fix
[12:25] <bagger> Brunellus, i think that box was the allmighty ubuntu box
[12:25] <bagger> :P
[12:25] <Brunellus> which I have tried to apply--
[12:25] <othernoob> levander: if i knew the problems...but during booting i get way too many way too fast to even know what i should fix
[12:25] <levander> othernoob: boot without networking, modify things trying to fix, run "/etc/init.d/networking start" to see if you fixed them
[12:25] <DanglyBits> i am trying to get access to debian-marillat..but get this gpg error..where do i get the gpg key from?
[12:25] <Brunellus> the key thing was to build a more recent madwifi
[12:26] <Brunellus> so my question is--is the madwifi driver in the breezy repos more up-to-date than the present one
[12:26] <bagger> wing`, ask your question
[12:26] <bagger> :P
[12:26] <Brunellus> or is it the same?
[12:26] <markrian> I had a load of files (music, docs, pictures etc) on a FAT32 partition. I've since moved the files to an ext3 partition, but the permissions for the files are all wrong - everything is executable! Is there a way to give all the files sane attributes? Bear in mind there are folders involved, so I can't just chmod -x * -R
[12:26] <othernoob> zerboxx: well yes, but then i'd  have to delete the server stuff, wouldn't i?
[12:26] <levander> othernoob: "chmod 666 /etc/rc2.d/S??networking" to turn off networking when you boot
[12:27] <postmodern> Amaranth, so what would i need to d/l that i could feed into synaptic so that everything can be updated easily?
[12:27] <levander> othernoob: or boot into single user mode which probably already doesn't run the networking script
[12:27] <raven3x7> is there a way to start and stop apache manually in linux?
[12:27] <wing`> bagger, i have two PC's (crossover) both are connected and can ping each other, my server (ubuntu) is working well in the internet, but my client (winxp) can only PING IP addresses, its not working with hosts
[12:27] <zerboxx> othernoob: I don't believe so, I was told that a server install is just the bare minimums and you install what you need (different kinds of servers) BUT I have no idea really since I haven't done it :)
[12:27] <Amaranth> postmodern: There isn't anything like that.
[12:27] <DanglyBits> anyone wil debian-marillat experience?
[12:27] <wing`> bagger, its all configured with static ip, no DHCP
[12:27] <wing`> bagger, and the workgroups are the same
[12:27] <Amaranth> DanglyBits: All I know about marillat is that using it breaks Ubuntu systems.
[12:28] <sissons> so no go on the force removal of a package?
[12:28] <othernoob> levander: reinstalling will be a lot easier ;) for now i keep it running, just can't reboot :p
[12:28] <levander> sissons: check the -f option of dpkg i think
[12:28] <bagger> wing`, you mean you use samba?
[12:28] <hybrid> DanglyBits: dont use marrillat
[12:28] <Brunellus> fsck it.  I'm going to install the breezy package and see if it works.
[12:28] <bagger> and your xp box can only connect with ip adressing.. not netbios naming?
[12:28] <wing`> bagger, im using firestarter to share it
[12:28] <postmodern> Amaranth, isn't there some distfiles directory that i could just put them all
[12:28] <othernoob> zerboxx: i see.. maybe i'll try it..or just go on to gentoo like i planned anyway.
[12:29] <icarus> is this the right room for video problems?
[12:29] <postmodern> Amaranth, so synaptic/apt-get dosn't have to d/l them
[12:29] <bagger> i don't know Firestarter
[12:29] <sissons> levander,  i tried that, still getting a returned 127 error, and package remains
[12:29] <bagger> but it could be this
[12:29] <bagger> setup the dns for your lan..
[12:29] <thesilentkiller> i got the latest version of firefox thru synaptic and, from what i understand, it is broken. now i cant browse to find a fix for this...what do i do?
[12:29] <bagger> (with the entries in the dhcp)
[12:29] <levander> sissons: what package you want to uninstall?
[12:29] <bagger> or setup wind
[12:30] <bagger> err
[12:30] <Amaranth> postmodern: I know there is a dir that apt checks before pulling them off the internet but I'm on windows right now so I can't look it up. Sorry.
[12:30] <sissons> thesilentkiller,  i believe the backports version of firefox is fixed
[12:30] <oberjaeger> makrian, chmod -R -x * followed by chmod -R +X *
[12:30] <bagger> you know.. the netbios naming service..
[12:30] <bagger> ;)
[12:30] <sissons> eclipse deb that i grabbed of the net
[12:30] <oberjaeger> upper case X only changes directories
[12:30] <Amaranth> There is no fix for firefox, the real 1.0.6 release is broken too.
[12:30] <levander> the version of firefox in the repositories is broken??
[12:30] <thesilentkiller> sissons, how do i get to it? yes, i am a newbie, to some extent
[12:30] <levander> in the hoary repositories or the breezy ones??
[12:30] <wing`> bagger, it was working... i changed the workgroup becase it was wrong and it worked, but now i turned off Firestarter, and when i turn on again it stopped working
[12:30] <robotgeek> levander, :)
[12:30] <Amaranth> levander: both, see topic
[12:31] <Makzu> Quick question: is there an easy way to edit the options passed as kernel modules are loaded?  I need to add some options to the binary nvidia driver
[12:31] <Brunellus> Ok, I'm confused
[12:31] <postmodern> this will not do!
[12:31] <sissons> thesilentkiller,  i can't remember the url, but type ubuntu backports into google, its the first hit
[12:31] <levander> how long has that been like that for? why don't they just take them out?
[12:31] <postmodern> when will there be a fixed firefox package?!
[12:31] <Brunellus> over on #madwifi, they're telling me to compile my own bloody kernel
[12:31] <Amaranth> levander: The official Mozilla Firefox 1.0.6 release is broken on Linux, this means the one with fixes in hoary and the real 1.0.6 in breezy have those problems.
[12:31] <postmodern> no its not
[12:31] <thesilentkiller> sissons, thats the problem i have! i cant google cuz firefox aint working. i feel cripped without a browser!
[12:32] <postmodern> im running 1.0.6 right now
[12:32] <postmodern> on gentoo
[12:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Seveas, member when i said those things about stupid people?
[12:32] <postmodern> 1.0.5 was broken
[12:32] <levander> Amaranth: so why don't they just leave the 1.0.5 versions in the ubuntu repositories?
[12:32] <Amaranth> postmodern: You're not running the extensions that break it.
[12:32] <Brunellus> thesilentkiller:  no browser?  apt-get dillo
[12:32] <Brunellus> done.
[12:32] <Amaranth> levander: 1.0.5 was broken too
[12:32] <Brunellus> not fancy, but it gets the job done
[12:32] <Brunellus> er apt-get install dillo
[12:32] <postmodern> Amaranth, which extensions?
[12:32] <levander> or, if 1.0.5 was broken, then leave 1.0.4 in there
[12:32] <Amaranth> levander: and 1.0.4 has published security vulnerabilities
[12:32] <thesilentkiller> Brunellus, okie, i will check it out. thanks
[12:32] <Amaranth> postmodern: I dunno, ask #ubuntu-devel
[12:32] <catolh> Can i get access to my hdds with the Live CD?.. it kinda wont boot..
[12:32] <sissons> if all else fails, links is a decent console based browser
[12:32] <levander> Amaranth: security vulnerabilites is worse than software that doesn't work?
[12:32] <thesilentkiller> sissons, thanks
[12:33] <Amaranth> levander: Software that doesn't work if you have certain addons installed.
[12:33] <Amaranth> levander: And yes.
[12:33] <sissons> thesilentkiller,  try adding this to your deb repo list
[12:33] <Amaranth> levander: Users complain when they don't have the latest crack and complain when the latest crack doesn't work, there is no solution. :/
[12:33] <sissons> thesilentkiller,  deb http://acm.cs.umn.edu/ubp/ hoary-backports universe
[12:34] <thesilentkiller> sissons, ok, i will check it out
[12:34] <sissons> thesilentkiller,  deb http://acm.cs.umn.edu/ubp/ hoary-backports main universe
[12:34] <postmodern> Amaranth, alright i was worried firefox was severaly broken, not just a minor bug
[12:34] <sissons> thesilentkiller,  sorry, it might be in main
[12:34] <levander> okay, if it's only conflicts with uncommon addons, then i could see leaving it in there.  But, no way breaking system is better than security vulnerabilities.  Firefox usually has a few published security issues before they're fixed.
[12:34] <thespiritoftal> can someone tell me how can i make ubuntu support mp3?
[12:34] <Amaranth> postmodern: pretty major if you have one of the extensions installed
[12:34] <mbirkis_> i was just wondering what using the hoary backports is?
[12:34] <catolh> please, someone help.. kind of managed to fark up my installation, dont know how. I tried to use a splashimage for grub and edited menu.lst .. can i access my local drives with the Live CD? (wich i am using now)
[12:34] <raven3x7> levander that depends on the vulnerabilies and the problems. in case of firefox 1.0.5 it seems more like an alpha. but since they announced the vulnerabilities....
[12:34] <theine> where can i get more info about firefox being broken?
[12:35] <Dr_Fate> thespiritoftal, ubuntuguide
[12:35] <levander> brb
[12:35] <Amaranth> theine: I imagine the firefox developers will tell you nothing is wrong.
[12:35] <mumbles> !ubuntugide
[12:35] <ubotu> mumbles: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[12:35] <catolh> Anyone?
[12:35] <Dr_Fate> thespiritoftal, http://ubuntuguide.org/
[12:35] <Amaranth> theine: The ubuntu developers are seeing the same problems with the version from mozilla.org and the package they made
[12:35] <sissons> as for 1.06 still being broken, that may be the case, but i am using it without any issues so far
[12:35] <wing`> anyone there can help me with network problem? ITS SIMPLE
[12:35] <mumbles> ! ubuntuguide
[12:35] <theine> Amaranth, what problems?
[12:35] <ubotu> hmm... ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[12:36] <raven3x7> Amaranth there seems to have been released a 1.0.6 version that fixes the problem
[12:36] <mbirkis_> wing`: ask... don't ask to ask ;)
[12:36] <devilx> Hi
[12:36] <Dr_Fate> wing`, state the problem
[12:36] <Amaranth> raven3x7: No, 1.0.6 has new problems
[12:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just spent the last 30hrs trying to install ubuntu on a customers computer for absolutely no reason >.<
[12:36] <devilx> Is there no xcompmgr for ubuntu yet?
[12:36] <wing`> i have two PC's (crossover) both are connected and can ping each other, my server (ubuntu) is working well in the internet, but my client (winxp) can only PING IP addresses, its not working with hosts
[12:36] <Brunellus> I don't want explanatiosn
[12:36] <Brunellus> I want results
[12:36] <Amaranth> raven3x7: They released 1.0.6 because 1.0.5 had problems, 1.0.6 has new problems, seemingly only on linux.
[12:36] <Brunellus> the explanations can come later.
[12:36] <raven3x7> Amaranth "great"....
[12:36] <wing`> im using firestarter to share the connection
[12:36] <ateves> where do i have to save a script so that it is executed on login?
[12:36] <Dr_Fate> ChurcH_of_FoamY, meaning?
[12:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the stupid hard drive was fried
[12:36] <Amaranth> Brunellus: You pay me how much?
[12:36] <Dr_Fate> oh
[12:36] <wing`> and my eths are all set by static ips, no DHCP
[12:37] <catolh> So, no one knows how to access my local drives with the live cd? I need to edit my menu.lst in /boot/grub/
[12:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and the box was setup to continue even if there was errors
[12:37] <mbirkis_> wing`: can your winxp computer ping internet ip's or only local ip's?
[12:37] <Brunellus> Amaranth: your point is?  The 'guide is out there.  if it works, why trash it?
[12:37] <wing`> mbirkis_, both
[12:37] <wing`> mbirkis_, internet and local
[12:37] <Amaranth> Brunellus: Because it tells you to do stupid things.
[12:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so me not seeing any errors thought everything was hunkydori
[12:37] <mbirkis_> wing`: then add your isp's dns servers to winxp
[12:37] <wing`> they are there
[12:37] <wing`> but its not working
[12:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i could just scream
[12:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[12:38] <Brunellus> Amaranth:  we will disagree ultimately, then--but I'd rather stuff that worked even if imperfectly
[12:38] <Amaranth> Brunellus: Things that can and will break you system.
[12:38] <thespiritoftal> how can i access the files in windows directories from linux? is there a way?
[12:38] <mbirkis_> wing`: 1sec
[12:38] <NoX> hey guys, I would like to know, how can I see my windows NTFS drives on ubuntu?
[12:38] <Brunellus> than perfectly nonfunctional stuff.
[12:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> now the customer has to pay an exstra $80 for a hard drive >.<
[12:38] <Dr_Fate> ChurcH_of_FoamY, 30hrs to fgure that out?
[12:38] <crimsun> NoX: / thespiritoftal: mount your partitions
[12:38] <Belial> can somebody help me with ndiswrapper
[12:38] <Belial> only a short question
[12:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Dr_Fate, long story man
[12:38] <wing`> mbirkis_, ok
[12:38] <raven3x7> Brunellus backports enabled will break your system in due time for sure
[12:38] <crimsun> NoX: / thespiritoftal: for instance, sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/XXXX /mnt
[12:39] <Brunellus> granted with backports
[12:39] <mbirkis_> wing`: is port 53 (both udp and tcp) open in firestarter? (53 is the dns port i belive)
[12:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Dr_Fate, started with a burnt out motherboard cause the morons had connected 2 power cables to one cd rom
[12:39] <devilx> Is there no xcompmgr for ubuntu yet?
[12:39] <NoX> what is the umask part?
[12:39] <poningru> why arent backports authenticating?
[12:39] <locutus1337> does anybody know how to setup a usb headset under hoary
[12:39] <Belial> noone here who can help me ???
[12:39] <Amaranth> The ubuntuguide tells you to use backports, use marillat, install w32codecs, etc.
[12:39] <Belial> please :)
[12:39] <crimsun> devilx: there has been xcompmgr in Hoary
[12:39] <catolh> Is there any way at all to mount my local hdd with the live CD? and edit my menu.lst in /boot/grub ??   im desperate... :/
[12:39] <wing`> mbirkis_, no, but firestarter is set to accept all connections from 192.168.0.2 (the other pc)
[12:39] <Amaranth> catolh: It should have mounted automatically.
[12:39] <wing`> but ill try opening that port too
[12:39] <devilx> crimsun, hm, there is no in the standard sources
[12:39] <Amaranth> catolh: Check /media
[12:39] <theine> I think "DON'T RECOMMEND UBUNTUGUIDE" should be included into the topic
[12:39] <Brunellus> Amaranth:  and what if we don't live entirely in an ogg and theora world?
[12:39] <catolh> Amaranth, ok.. thanks
[12:40] <devilx> crimsun, apt-get install xcompmgr doesn't work
[12:40] <NoX> what is the umask part?
[12:40] <Dr_Fate> Belial, ask once then wait at least 10mins before asking again, in the meantime http://ubuntuguide.org/
[12:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Dr_Fate, so i had to order a replacement and the last 30hrs have been spent testing the hardware to see what these idiots fried
[12:40] <catolh> Amaranth, its not there.. :/
[12:40] <Dr_Fate> ChurcH_of_FoamY, oh, thast more like it, not 30hrs installing Ubuntu
[12:40] <Amaranth> Brunellus: If you need to break the law to play a file that's your choice. Just don't go telling people to do it without explaining what they're doing.
[12:40] <catolh> Amaranth, its a s-ata drive
[12:40] <mbirkis_> wing`: how did it go?
[12:40] <Amaranth> catolh: Sorry, I don't know.
[12:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Dr_Fate, no not just installing ubuntu no i'm too smart for that to take long ^_^
[12:41] <wing`> mbirkis_, not working
[12:41] <crimsun> devilx: you don't have universe enabled
[12:41] <catolh> Amaranth, so im basically screwed? :o
[12:41] <locutus1337> does anybody know how to install a usb logitech headset
[12:41] <devilx> crimsun, how do I enable?
[12:41] <mbirkis_> wing`: then i don't know... sorry :(
[12:41] <Dr_Fate> ChurcH_of_FoamY, I was hoping so:)
[12:41] <wing`> man
[12:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[12:41] <Dr_Fate> ;)
[12:41] <Amaranth> catolh: man mount :)
[12:41] <Brunellus> fine. I'll go troll the forums and see if I can get my wifi up and running before I'm excommunicated by #ubuntu...
[12:41] <crimsun> !tell devilx about components
[12:41] <wing`> i set this up yesterday
[12:41] <Amaranth> catolh: I don't remember how to use mount, I haven't had to since I got ubuntu. :)
[12:41] <devilx> crimsun, thanks
[12:41] <wing`> but i turned off firestarter to see somethings
[12:41] <wing`> and when i turned on
[12:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the price for that computer has gone up to almost $300 not including parts
[12:42] <Belial> hm what shell i do after i have installed a driver with ndiswrapper
[12:42] <wing`> all the network was fucked up again
[12:42] <crimsun> locutus1337: plug it in
[12:42] <locutus1337> crimsun did that
[12:42] <wing`> mbirkis_, is there anyway to OPEN all the ports, and everything in firestarter?
[12:42] <crimsun> locutus1337: now choose it in whatever sound application.
[12:42] <wing`> mbirkis_, just use it to share the internet
[12:42] <locutus1337> crimsun ok
[12:43] <Dr_Fate> ChurcH_of_FoamY, I can't believe are still paying so much to create a very expensive IRC bot, or spam node:/
[12:43] <locutus1337> crimsun logitech usb headset ALSA
[12:43] <mbirkis_> wing`: i don't know actually... i use shorewall on a debian 'sarge' as firewall/gateway
[12:43] <NoX> hey guys, I would like to know, how can I see my windows NTFS drives on ubuntu?
[12:43] <catolh> Amaranth, well.. my problem is that ive already installed ubuntu..and tried to use a splash image with grub.. and then it got borked, only funky letters in startup and it just stops.. so im using my Live CD now, trying to get access to my local hdd to again edit my /boot/grub/menu.lst .. to remove the splashimage. Think its possible? Cause i really need to get it done.. I dont want to reinstall Ubuntu
[12:43] <Dr_Fate> ChurcH_of_FoamY, ppl
[12:43] <wing`> mbirkis_, and isnt there another way to share the connection? without using this shitty firestarter
[12:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> really? wow
[12:43] <theine> catolh, that's definately possible
[12:43] <neighborlee> is colony 2CD good enough to consider installation on a system I dont want to have to redo again or is it still just too fresh ?
[12:44] <raven3x7> Amaranth w32codecs are not necessarilly illegal. that depends on where you are.
[12:44] <crimsun> thespiritoftal: ask here.
[12:44] <catolh> theine, only thing is.. i dont have a clue where to start..
[12:44] <wing`> mbirkis_, ?
[12:44] <ateves> can i run sudo with the password as an option or parameter?
[12:44] <mbirkis_> wing`: google on iptables internet sharing or something like that... you don't need firestarter... you can use iptables direct
[12:44] <Amaranth> raven3x7: It's illegal where I am, where most of the users are (most of the world), and where the freenode servers are.
[12:44] <thespiritoftal> crimsun: can you please tell me what should i type instead of XXX exactly or just give an example
[12:44] <theine> catolh, do you know what the root partition of your ubuntu installation is called? /dev/hda1?
[12:44] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, listening to mp3 is not the problem, its being about ot use lame to encode them are right?
[12:44] <crimsun> thespiritoftal: use fdisk -l with your drives to find the NTFS partition
[12:45] <catolh> theine, i think so..
[12:45] <catolh> no.. its sda1
[12:45] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, listening to mp3 is not the problem, its about being able to use lame to encode them are right?
[12:45] <thespiritoftal> and then?
[12:45] <Dr_Fate> I hate forgetting whole words when I type
[12:46] <theine> catolh, then open a terminal, type `sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt; cat /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst' and see if that works
[12:46] <raven3x7> Amaranth, Dr_Fate i believe only were there are sw patents is w32codecs illegal. that leaves a good portion of the world were it is legal
[12:46] <sissons> does anyone know where to find a deb package for eclipse 3.1?
[12:46] <Amaranth> raven3x7: No, w32codecs is illegal anywhere there is copyright law.
[12:46] <theine> catolh, that should dump the contents of the grub configuration file to the terminal
[12:47] <mbirkis_> raven3x7: in norway they are working on an mp3 law... it is not finished yet i think
[12:48] <catolh> theine, "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock.. etc"
[12:48] <hybrid> Razor-X: you online?
[12:48] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, everyone should just go ogg. One monkey does not stop a show.
[12:48] <raven3x7> mbirkis mp3 law?
[12:48] <mbirkis_> raven3x7: a law to make mp3 illegal...
[12:48] <raven3x7> Dr_Fate, everyone should use open formats. i agree
[12:48] <theine> catolh, then try "sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt"
[12:48] <hybrid> Dr_Fate: flac is suppose to be real good
[12:49] <raven3x7> mbirkis you mean all mp3?  why?
[12:49] <zack_> Howdy, does anyone know if ndiswrapper is available for amd64 bit version?
[12:49] <Dr_Fate> hybrid, its is, its lossless so the file is still pretty big
[12:49] <catolh> theine, yeah, it worked.. dumped it to the terminal.. but how do i edit it_
[12:49] <catolh> ?
[12:49] <theine> catolh, sudo nano -w /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:50] <mbirkis_> raven3x7: not all mp3... but it will be illegal to have mp3 files on your computer if you don't have bought the original cd
[12:50] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, a person could convert all of there mp3s to ogg in a short period
[12:50] <DekaPink> Okay, here's my deal... Uh... I can't seem to play 3D games, when I try to they're -really- slow... I don't really know what to do about it... and I'm on an ATI AIW Radeon 8500DV
[12:50] <postmodern> does synaptic have a security-update-only feature?
[12:50] <Dr_Fate> DekaPink, http://ubuntuguide.org/
[12:50] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, yes
[12:50] <raven3x7> Dr_Fate, that would worsen the sound quality though
[12:50] <catolh> theine, nice! thanks alot! :D
[12:50] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, depends
[12:50] <theine> catolh, you're welcome
[12:50] <catolh> and now to reboot.. and see if this works
[12:50] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, hell yeah!
[12:51] <|rockinnerd|> DekaPink, do you have the ATI graphics driver installed?
[12:51] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, say if the mp3 is encoded @160 making it a 128 ogg would not be a noticable difference
[12:51] <zack_> will check back later--thanks anyway
[12:52] <raven3x7> mbirkis i believe that is already true anyhow
[12:52] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, does synaptic have some sort of auto-update feature, where I can tell it to check for security updates on a monthly basis
[12:52] <mbirkis_> Dr_Fate: so ogg is a "bad" sound compression compared to mp3?
[12:52] <DekaPink> |rockinnerd|, I've tried to install the oen from their site, but it doesn't seem to do any good.
[12:52] <mbirkis_> raven3x7: oh... i wasn't aware of that
[12:52] <|rockinnerd|> DekaPink, look in the wiki
[12:52] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, and retry if the inet isn't connected at that current time
[12:52] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, Ubuntu does that by itself
[12:52] <raven3x7> Dr_Fate, ogg compression will drop additional frequencies. it is not related to oggs quality as a codec
[12:53] <Dr_Fate> mbirkis_, no
[12:53] <wrtpeeps> hi, i have installed g++, but my terminal doesn't recognise the command 'make', anyone know if make requires any extra libraries
[12:53] <DekaPink> |rockinnerd|, I've done what they say in the wiki, too... No dice. :3
[12:53] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, I know this
[12:53] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, totally cool!
[12:53] <raven3x7> mbirkis why would be d/l mp3s be illegal otherwise
[12:53] <|rockinnerd|> wrtpeeps, is make installed?
[12:53] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, all lossy codecs drop but its relative to where the drop starts
[12:54] <mbirkis_> raven3x7: dunno really... but i was under the impression that it was "legal" in norway now... and they were making it illegal now
[12:54] <wrtpeeps> |rockinnerd|: well i installed g++
[12:54] <mbirkis_> raven3x7: but i am very unsure of this...
[12:54] <wrtpeeps> does that not install make ?
[12:54] <|rockinnerd|> no.
[12:54] <wrtpeeps> i also have xlibs-dev
[12:54] <raven3x7> mbirkis if it was legal i had no idea
[12:54] <wrtpeeps> |rockinnerd|: what do i need then?
[12:54] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, it only sounds bad trying to encode a low frequency to high, not the other way around. But naturally lower frequency lose fidelity
[12:54] <|rockinnerd|> make
[12:54] <mbirkis_> raven3x7: it was legal... i am sure of it
[12:54] <|rockinnerd|> wrtpeeps: make
[12:55] <wing`> mbirkis_, i got it
[12:55] <wrtpeeps> k
[12:55] <mbirkis_> wing`: what was wrong?
[12:55] <wing`> mbirkis_, just disabled firestarter and used the sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
[12:55] <wrtpeeps> thanks
[12:55] <mbirkis_> wing`: found it on google?
[12:55] <wing`> mbirkis_,  thanks for the help
[12:55] <wing`> mbirkis_, yeap
[12:55] <mbirkis_> wing`: np... glad to help :)
[12:56] <raven3x7> i might try it just to see if i can notice a difference but im very picky with music and sound quality
[12:57] <|rockinnerd|> wrtpeeps, np
[12:57] <thesilentkiller> whats the deal with apt-get and firefox....my firefox install was totally screwed up. so i have uninstalled it now. how do i get a "stable" "working" version of firefox?
[12:57] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, you know how i could get apt-get/synaptic to use my cdrom as the package reposity for grabbing some updates?
[12:58] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, the machine i'll be working on is on dialup, so I want to have all the latest on a cdrom when i go to install
[12:58] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, if its getting it from a pressed CD they are'nt updates are they?
[12:58] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, but yes
[12:58] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, this is just for the first install
[12:59] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, you can set the repositories to whatever whereever you like?
[12:59] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, alright, so thats all in the GUI i suppose?
[12:59] <thesilentkiller> can someone tell me how to get a good version of firefox?
[12:59] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, also you know what extensions are bugging firefox?
[01:00] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, no I don't, I was wondering why firefox has been slow to open new windows, but did not know it was related to extentions?
[01:01] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, thats what people here say
[01:01] <Dr_Fate> thesilentkiller, from their website
[01:01] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, which version?
[01:01] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, latest one
[01:01] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, its in the topic
[01:02] <raven3x7> postmodern to me it seems firefox generally got screwed. i dont have any extensions and it still has a lot of probs. i switched to epiphany until they fix it
[01:02] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, that means nothing, the "latest" Ubuntu version is 1.04, the latest from Mozilla is 1.05
[01:02] <sbenton> Hello all
[01:02] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, thanks had not read the topic
[01:02] <Dr_Fate> well that sucks
[01:03] <raven3x7> Dr_Fate, i believe ubuntu replaced 1.0.4 wih 1.0.5 a few days ago. also the latest firefox version is 1.0.6 which is still buggy in linux
[01:03] <sbenton> is there any workable gtk+ kits in the apt-get bulid list that extactly functions correcty?
[01:03] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, it has not crashed on me, just slow to open new windows, and sometime hitting new links takes a while to get there.
[01:04] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, I have yet to get a notice to update FF.
[01:04] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, does this issue affect all gecko platforms?
[01:04] <raven3x7> Dr_Fate, im sure i did about 2 days ago
[01:05] <Dr_Fate> this is why its nice to have a back up browser
[01:05] <raven3x7> Dr_Fate, dunno but i dont think so.
[01:05] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, weird
[01:05] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, 1.0.5 crashed on me with gentoo but 1.0.6 is holding steady
[01:05] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, you got the update via apt?!?
[01:05] <raven3x7> yeah the update manager
[01:06] <|rockinnerd|> i just (re) installed ubuntu, and the firefox on the cd works fine for me.
[01:06] <|rockinnerd|> but it's behind obviously
[01:06] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, did your version change in "about FF"?
[01:06] <Ice-Breaker> is it the ubuntu package or firefoc itself
[01:06] <Tutte> hmm i cant get out on the irc... i get Looking up irc.link-net.org:+7000
[01:06] <Tutte> * Unknown host. Maybe you misspelled it?
[01:06] <Tutte> I'm doing it from win now..
[01:07] <raven3x7> Dr_Fate, it never does with the ubuntu versions. which is a mistake imho
[01:07] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, all I got was the upadte for java
[01:07] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, ahhh then i have no idea if mine did or not:(
[01:07] <raven3x7> Dr_Fate, firefox was a day or two before that
[01:07] <sbenton> Guys is there a functional gtk+ toolkit for Ubuntu?
[01:08] <Tutte> i got it now.
[01:08] <Dr_Fate> sbenton, if there is one for linux there is one for ubuntu
[01:08] <mae> what do you all think of foresight linux?
[01:08] <skel_> they got there own packages syetm
[01:08] <skel_> it sucks
[01:08] <skel_> :P
[01:08] <mae> why?
[01:09] <raven3x7> Dr_Fate, it stays stuck at 1.0.2 while it may be a 1.0.5 version in reality
[01:09] <skel_> hard to use i heard
[01:09] <mae> conary sucks?
[01:09] <mae> maybe the reviewer is a pundit :)
[01:09] <mae> hard to use could equite with "not familiar with"
[01:09] <mae> equate, rather
[01:10] <skel_> mae do u use forsight?
[01:10] <mae> skel_, nope, :) ubuntu but it looks promising thats all..
[01:11] <postmodern> is there a website for browsing which packages are in the main repositories
[01:11] <postmodern> i just need to check which versions are used by default
[01:11] <mae> gentoo sucks
[01:11] <mae> i used it for a long time
[01:11] <postmodern> skel_, it's pretty cool you should stick with it
[01:11] <skel_> y u do that if it sucks
[01:11] <crimsun> let's keep the distro wars out, thanks.
[01:11] <mae> i mean, i learned alot from using it.. because alot of the stuff you do has to be manual
[01:11] <postmodern> mae, gentoo is cool
[01:11] <othernoob> who put "ubuntu #1 on all distrowatch boards" into the topic???
[01:11] <skel_> postmodern,  i suck using grub
[01:11] <skel_> so it messed up my install
[01:11] <skel_> i couldnt figure it out
[01:11] <postmodern> skel_, na grub is so easy
[01:11] <skel_> i gave up and back to ubuntu
[01:12] <mae> postmodern, ya i guess, i really enjoy waiting for packages to compile everything from source, it really makes my computer burn more rice
[01:12] <skel_> lol
[01:12] <postmodern> mae, i now have all my stuff scripted, so a reinstall takes 3 commands so I'm not your average gentooist
[01:12] <skel_> WAH!
[01:12] <postmodern> mae, which is probably why i enjoy it, since I have to do 1/3 the work
[01:12] <skel_> send me dat script
[01:12] <skel_> :(
[01:13] <postmodern> skel_, im thinking of open sourcing it
[01:13] <skel_> i tried for 12 hours on 2 diff install and i couldnt get it
[01:13] <postmodern> skel_, but its still very not so user friendly
[01:13] <postmodern> skel_, alot of it requires you to make a directory of all the files that will be copied into / of your new system
[01:13] <skel_> what would i need to do burn to iso?
[01:13] <mumbles> question - could i make a cd of the setup i have now?
[01:13] <mae> postmodern, gentoo has some nice things, i think their rc script system is awesome, very innovative from the traditional rh system.. but their binary package support isn't very good, and I don't like to wait for all that stuff to compile.. also, my internet is fairly slow and I can't download the much larger source packages :) binary is much more friendly for me.
[01:13] <postmodern> mae, also im on amd64 so packages take 5 minutes to compile
[01:13] <mumbles> as in all my settings and stuff i have set up ?
[01:13] <sbenton> Anyone have experience with gtk+ programming?
[01:14] <postmodern> mae, yeah they need a binary repository period
[01:14] <skel_> i got p4
[01:14] <skel_> 512 Mb ram
[01:14] <mumbles> same
[01:14] <locutus1337> cool
[01:14] <skel_> prob woudl take awhile
[01:14] <postmodern> mae, people say you can just DIY, but they need a compile farm making bin packages all day for it to be useful
[01:14] <ioboss> hi
[01:14] <mumbles> it took me about an hou
[01:14] <mumbles> hour ^ to install
[01:14] <mumbles> and it was only my second time
[01:14] <locutus1337> how can i setup my logitech usb headset under hoary
[01:14] <auk> !ion
[01:14] <ubotu> auk: I don't know, could you explain it?
[01:15] <mae> postmodern, what difference does scripting make? you still have to wait a ridiculous amount of time for packages to compile, why do you need to compile your own packages? is there any point? .. If i want the latest and greatest I have to download and compile from source, but even gentoo oftentimes doesn't have the bleeding edge stuff..
[01:15] <soultaker> hello to all
[01:15] <auk> !ionwm
[01:15] <ubotu> auk: I give up, what is it?
[01:15] <auk> !ion-wm
[01:15] <ubotu> auk: Bugger all, i dunno
[01:15] <auk> hmm
[01:15] <postmodern> mae, again im on amd64 with 1gig of ram, it's pretty damn fast
[01:15] <soultaker> my screen saver stop working can anyone help me I dont display anithing
[01:15] <mumbles> yeh -
[01:15] <soultaker> on the preview
[01:15] <postmodern> mae, also i like special CFLAGS
[01:15] <postmodern> mae, and my compiling i help reduce bugs
[01:15] <mae> hmm.. what?
[01:16] <locutus1337> how can i setup my logitech usb headset under hoary
[01:16] <postmodern> mae, as any bug found i immediately submit a nice bug report
[01:16] <skel_> postmodern,  i didn tknow what they were so i skipped useflags and CFlags during install
[01:16] <skel_> lol
[01:16] <postmodern> skel_, USEflags are a blessing and a curse
[01:16] <skel_> i want a easy install
[01:16] <mumbles> bed for me
[01:16] <mumbles> got work today
[01:16] <Ice-Breaker> resizing a 50gb part is so slow....
[01:16] <mumbles> :(
[01:16] <postmodern> skel_, oneside you can control alot of stuff, the other stupid useflags keep getting enabled by default
[01:16] <mae> postmodern, a bug report to gentoo?.. the ebuilds are usually what break the compiling.. or because you have some funky version of autotools or gcc
[01:16] <postmodern> skel_, like they disalbed the "network" useflag by default
[01:16] <skel_> why cant they just amke one for a pentium for and have it set optitum settign for a pentium 4
[01:17] <vinboy> hi
[01:17] <vinboy> how do I set my gnome font to the default one
[01:17] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, you seem like a Gentoo fella
[01:17] <skel_> postmodern,  whats the diff between penitum 4 install and a univerisal install
[01:17] <locutus1337> none
[01:18] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, but being on dial up does not work well for Gentoo
[01:18] <locutus1337> you need a special distro for P4 since its such a low end processor
[01:18] <skel_> p4 is low end
[01:18] <skel_> :(
[01:18] <vinboy> yup
[01:18] <skel_> whats hi end?
[01:18] <vinboy> amd rocks
[01:19] <skel_> amd 64?
[01:19] <locutus1337> meh compared to my athlon xp yeap
[01:19] <postmodern> mae, nope, it's usually upstream
[01:19] <skel_> me board only supports intel so i cant switcjh
[01:19] <postmodern> mae, ebuilds are really good
[01:19] <locutus1337> switch
[01:19] <Velcan> anyone know how to get helix or realplayer plugins installed for firefox?
[01:19] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, it serves my purposes, but I'm totally enjoying Ubuntu for all things desktop related
[01:19] <skel_> Velcan,  ubuntuforums.org search that question
[01:20] <postmodern> skel_, universal i beleive is just a default unoptimized stage file
[01:20] <Velcan> okay
[01:20] <postmodern> skel_, so its x86 generic
[01:20] <skel_> yea...
[01:20] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, indeed, which is why im not on dialup
[01:20] <skel_> but will a p4 iso help my install?
[01:20] <skel_> to make it easier?
[01:20] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, i tried that once, ug 15 minute rsyncs
[01:21] <postmodern> skel_, amd64 is pure heaven (assuming you get the right hardware)
[01:21] <Velcan> the annoying thing is in synaptic 'helix-player' claims: "This package includes the mozilla plugin of the Helix Player."
[01:21] <skel_> hmm
[01:21] <postmodern> skel_, xorg took like 40 minutes to compile
[01:21] <postmodern> skel_, stage1 with -O3 took an 1ish
[01:21] <skel_> i didnt even get to that point postmodern
[01:21] <postmodern> skel_, one hour-ish
[01:21] <skel_> i only got to stage 10
[01:22] <postmodern> skel_, its great if you do alot of development work
[01:22] <skel_> i just want the emerge thing sounds so nice
[01:22] <skel_> :P
[01:22] <levander> How normal is this for grip to be ripping my CD's at, apparently, less than 0.0x ?
[01:22] <robotgeek> skel_, it's the useflags which make it good.
[01:22] <skel_> oh
[01:23] <robotgeek> skel_, otherwise apt-get just works the same!
[01:23] <postmodern> skel_, after a couple stage3 installs by hand you get into "the zone"
[01:23] <levander> It's ripping them, just not fast enough to show up on the speed indicator.
[01:23] <skel_> hahah
[01:23] <skel_> i done ti twice
[01:23] <skel_> and both failled
[01:23] <robotgeek> gotta go..bye
[01:23] <skel_> why do i need grub when gentoo my only OS
[01:23] <skel_> lol
[01:23] <othernoob> levander: have you enabled dma?
[01:23] <skel_> grub=trouble
[01:23] <postmodern> robotgeek, except Ubuntu dosn't always have recent stuff
[01:24] <skel_> ubuntu old
[01:24] <postmodern> i love grub
[01:24] <NoHope> hey, I just want to run some commands at start time. I don't know how to make it on SysV. Can you help me?
[01:24] <levander> othernoob: yeah, actually, that's what I'm wondering if messed it up.  Before ripping this cd is first time I've enabled dma on my cd drive.
[01:24] <postmodern> i hate lilo
[01:24] <postmodern> that thing has fscked me over so many times back in the day
[01:24] <skel_> grub has! with me
[01:24] <skel_> always crashing
[01:25] <admrl_> can anyone help me cleaning my printer head i have a Deskjet720C and when i click on the button to clean the head it says The executable escputil cannot be found in your PATH environment variable. Make sure gimp-print is installed and that escputil is in your PATH
[01:25] <postmodern> also
[01:25] <skel_> i gtg movies
[01:25] <skel_> bbl
[01:25] <postmodern> does the ghost-script in Ubuntu support Epson Stylus Photo 2200?
[01:25] <levander> admrl_: Is escputil in your PATH?
[01:25] <admrl_> how do i know if escputil is in my PATH
[01:26] <levander> admrl_: "which escputil"
[01:26] <admrl_> i didnt understand it
[01:26] <levander> admrl_: type that
[01:26] <admrl_> ok
[01:26] <levander> admrl_: escputil is apparently a proram that gimp-print tries to run
[01:26] <admrl_> it didnt say anything
[01:27] <levander> admrl_: but for gimp-print to find it, or any other program to find it, it's got to be in your PATH
[01:27] <levander> admrl_: "locate escputil"
[01:27] <levander> admrl_: where is there a button to clean your printer head?
[01:28] <levander> admrl_: what did "locate escputil" output?
[01:28] <admrl_> how do i put it in my path
[01:28] <admrl_> /usr/share/apps/kdeprint/tools/escputil.desktop
[01:28] <admrl_> /usr/lib/kde3/kdeprint_tool_escputil.la
[01:28] <admrl_> /usr/lib/kde3/kdeprint_tool_escputil.so
[01:28] <admrl_> i got that right there
[01:29] <levander> admrl_: looks like you don't have the escputil binary installed on your system.  It's probably be in a bin directory somewhere.
[01:29] <sizzam> im trying to figure out how to get my scanner working, its a HP  PSC 2355, the printer works
[01:30] <vinboy> should I install gcc 3.3 or gcc 4?
[01:30] <levander> And, the filename of the binary itself would just be escputil, without any file name extension.
[01:30] <Discipulus> both
[01:30] <sizzam> when i launch xsane, it tries to use my tv card as the input
[01:30] <locutus1337> how can i setup my logitech usb headset under hoary
[01:30] <levander> admrl_: go to packages.ubuntu.com, and make sure you are search the *contents* of the packages, and search for escputil to find out what package it is in.
[01:30] <admrl_> ok
[01:31] <D1> what burns bin's/cue's besides k3b?
[01:31] <codecaine> gnomebaker
[01:31] <levander> D1: check graveman and gnome-baker
[01:31] <codecaine> graveman
[01:31] <D1> ok.
[01:31] <jwb> who #ubuntu
[01:31] <jwb> er hi
[01:31] <admrl_> wait i just did an apt-get install on escputil and it installed it
[01:31] <stevarino> arg... i have two really embarrassing questions (totally new to linux).. 1) what's the default root password? 2) how do i get downloaded software in a .tar.gz installed and working?
[01:31] <jwb> sure would be neat if xauth existed in breezy, anywhere
[01:31] <postmodern> does the Ubuntu install cdrom have parted on it, so I can resize a FAT32 partition
[01:32] <patrickj> ello
[01:32] <postmodern> during the install
[01:32] <levander> D1: is k3b the KDE application for burning CD's?  People are always talking about k3b, but I have no idea why it's more special than the other burning software.
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> stevarino: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.com/RootSudo
[01:32] <admrl_> stevarino, wehn you are starting out readmes help slot
[01:32] <codecaine> levin, works and nice gui
[01:32] <patrickj> where can I get all the development packages for compiling stuff(gcc, gpp, cc, libgtk2.0-dev, etc...)
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> stevarino: and 2) what software
[01:32] <patrickj> wait, brb
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> patrickj: apt-get install build-essential
[01:32] <codecaine> patrickj, install build-essential
[01:32] <stevarino> HrdwrBoB: thunderbird
[01:32] <Dr_Fate> whats the proper syntax fro apt-get purge
[01:33] <patrickj> and it has all that I need?
[01:33] <jwb> so i'm trying to work on my packages for breezy, and i'm thinking that dstone treats it like his private distribution of linux
[01:33] <codecaine> dpkg --purge <package>
[01:33] <jwb> one which is, btw, always broken
[01:33] <patrickj> doesnt have libgtk2.0-dev :(
[01:33] <Dr_Fate> I'm trying to get apt-get to remove all the files it installed with an app, instead of the just one
[01:33] <patrickj> brb
[01:33] <admrl_> if anyone else needs help with that all they need to do is install escputil!!!
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> patrickj: apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[01:33] <codecaine> Dr_Fate, sudo dpkg --purge <package>
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> stevarino: apt-get install thunderbird
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> stevarino: or use synaptic package manager to install thunderbird
[01:34] <codecaine> hrdw, apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[01:34] <admrl_> i never am on irc so i figure you guys would do good knowing
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> codecaine: that'll do it
[01:34] <Dr_Fate> codecaine, thanks
[01:34] <codecaine> yeup
[01:34] <levander> Am I the only one ripping CD's with the paranoia options enabled in grip?  How much of a waste of time is that stuff?
[01:34] <stevarino> awesome, thanks everyone
[01:34] <jwb> levander: i always rip with full paranoia
[01:35] <D1> hmmm, I guess the new gnomebaker burns cues/bins
[01:35] <D1> not .3
[01:35] <jwb> levander: it's a bigger waste of time to have to do is again
[01:35] <levander> jwb: and what speed does grip rip for you?  It's ripping for me at 0.1x
[01:35] <jwb> (full paranoia is the default in cdrdao)
[01:35] <jwb> levander: oh that's terrible.  i get about 16x
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> levander: spend $30 and get a new drive :)
[01:35] <jwb> levander: is dma working?
[01:36] <jmspeex> Are there any plans on actually fixing firefox? or at least reverting to the previous version?
[01:36] <levander> HrdwrBoB: I just got a new drive, a pioner dvr-109
[01:36] <codecaine> jmspeex, what's wrong with it?
[01:36] <jwb> levander: hdparm?
[01:36] <levander> jwb: well, i ran the command to enable it, no idea if it's working or not though
[01:36] <codecaine> hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[01:36] <levander> codecaine: yeah, that's that command to enable it, i did that
[01:36] <codecaine> it should then tell u dma on
[01:36] <jwb> levander: yeah sometimes it doesn't enable for various reasons.  just run hdparm /dev/hdc to check it
[01:36] <jmspeex> codecaine: crashing all the time, it's even acknowledged in this chan's title
[01:37] <codecaine> agh
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> levander: yeah ensure DMA is enableed
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> but it may be that the disc is scratched
[01:37] <codecaine> jmspeex, didn't notice, mine hasn't crashed yet?
[01:37] <levander> jwb: it says "using_dma = 1 (on)"
[01:37] <jwb> i couldn't get dma working on my new nforce4 machine for a while, then i discovered i had to load amd74xx before ide-generic.
[01:37] <jwb> levander: well that was my only idea :)  is the disc scratched?
[01:38] <levander> I don't think so, but I will check when it's done ripping, 2/3 of way there now.
[01:38] <jmspeex> codecaine: try the sidebar
[01:38] <jwb> has it seriously taken 11 hours to rip the cd?
[01:38] <levander> jwb: when you couldn't get dma enabled, did hdparm report it as enabled?
[01:38] <codecaine> jmspeex, i got it open now what?
[01:39] <jwb> levander: no it stayed as dma = 0
[01:39] <levander> jwb: no idea, it's just been going while i've been off doing other things.  It's been more than three hours though I know.
[01:39] <D1> I dont see an option in graveman either...
[01:39] <levander> jwb: okay, so probably I do have dma enabled.
[01:39] <jmspeex> codecaine: trying to cring up the sidebar crashes firefox, 100% of the time.
[01:39] <jwb> that is ridiculously bad.  i guess you could try cdrdao or abcde or something to check if it's grip's fault
[01:39] <codecaine> "cring?"
[01:39] <levander> next obvious thing is to check for a scratch like HardwareBob said
[01:39] <jmspeex> Tools->extensions crashes it more than half the time
[01:40] <levander> jwb: another good idea, i'll do that after this one rips
[01:40] <codecaine> jmspeex, can't get it to do it.  im running 1.0.4 from backports
[01:41] <jwb> i haven't used grip in ages.  i hacked up a thing in python/pygtk for ripping in parallel from all my cdroms at once.  some day i should package that junk up
[01:41] <jmspeex> codecaine: I thought only 1.0.2 was available (with security fixes)?
[01:41] <codecaine> jmspeex, maybe with security fixes from ubuntu, but backports has 1.0.4
[01:41] <codecaine> backports is part of ubuntu officially i believe
[01:42] <codecaine> theirs several updated packages in backports
[01:42] <levander> codecaine: not unless that's a new thing
[01:42] <codecaine> levin, backports is part of ubuntuforums.org
[01:42] <levander> codecaine: i know up until six months ago, it was volunteer only
[01:42] <jmspeex> codecaine: how do I get it?
[01:43] <codecaine> hold up
[01:43] <codecaine> im not suppose to paste in here
[01:43] <codecaine> have to msg u
[01:43] <citrus_> can someone tell me how to make my movies have a little image of the movie in my folders?
[01:43] <codecaine> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[01:44] <jwb> citrus: in nautilus, you may need to change the preferences to allow thumbnailing of very large files
[01:44] <jwb> citrus: i think the default is 50MB or something
[01:44] <levander> you know my cd drive is just connected to an old ATA33 controller.  E.g., before 80 conductor cables and ATA66.  But, I think ATA33 is 33 Mbps, should be plenty faster than a CD drive.
[01:44] <jwb> what kind of controller is it levander?
[01:45] <levander> jwb: it's just the controller integrated into my SuperMicro P6DBE motherboard.
[01:45] <levander> That motherboard is based on the 440BX motherboard chipset if that means anything to you.
[01:45] <patrickj> ok back
[01:45] <jwb> levander: is the piix module loaded?
[01:45] <patrickj> where can I obtain libgtk2.0-deV?
[01:45] <patrickj> im trying to compile bluefish....
[01:46] <codecaine> patrickj, bluefish 1.0.1 is avail in backports
[01:46] <jwb> patrickj: apt-get build-dep bluefish
[01:46] <levander> jwb: piix shows up in the output of lsmod, so I guess it is.
[01:46] <patrickj> ok
[01:46] <patrickj> who in here is using Ubuntu as only os on PC?
[01:46] <patrickj> or Mac
[01:47] <citrus_>  can someone tell me how to make my movies have a little image of the movie in my folders?
[01:47] <levander> patrickj: i am, but i've got a windows pc sitting right next to it that i switch to sometimes
[01:47] <levander> citrus_: you mean in nautilus?
[01:47] <jwb> citrus_: pay attention
[01:47] <patrickj> ok I see
[01:47] <patrickj> anways, where can I get latest bluefish
[01:47] <patrickj> i think right now im compiling 1.0
[01:48] <vinboy> why ubuntu uses only 200mb memory?
[01:48] <vinboy> i'm wasting my other 1gb memory then
[01:48] <levander> patrickj: why not just bluefish from the ubuntu repositories?
[01:48] <vinboy> 800mb
[01:48] <patrickj> apt-get install bluefish?
[01:48] <levander> vinboy: it's use it, just doesn't use it right when you start up
[01:48] <jwb> vinboy: on what overwhelming evidence do you base this conclusion?
[01:48] <vinboy> i go to System monitor
[01:49] <vinboy> anyway
[01:49] <patrickj> lol ok
[01:49] <levander> vinboy: hang out for a while, the other memory will get used
[01:49] <codecaine> patrickj, sudo apt-get install bluefish
[01:49] <vinboy> :D
[01:49] <mbirkis_> patrickj: i use ubuntu on my amd64 and i have a old p3 who runs debian sarge :) all linux, no M$ shit
[01:49] <jwb> # free
[01:49] <jwb>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[01:49] <jwb> Mem:       8106164    8043260      62904          0      92640    7239388
[01:49] <jwb> that's ubuntu using 8GB
[01:49] <patrickj> Nice thanks
[01:50] <patrickj> lol
[01:50] <thespiritoftal> I have a usb storage device... How can i access it? I want to copy some mp3s from it to /home can you help?
[01:50] <levander> jwb: you're on a server?
[01:50] <codecaine> thespiritoftal, just power it up and plug it in
[01:50] <jwb> levander: i operate a lot of servers ... that's a postgresql server
[01:50] <patrickj> Crap, i need to backup my music somehow
[01:50] <codecaine> thespiritoftal, should put an icon on your desktop
[01:50] <kwilcox> thespiritofal: does it recognize the device when you plug it in
[01:50] <thespiritoftal> it did
[01:50] <patrickj> to get rid of XP :p
[01:50] <mindsuck> Anyone running ubuntu on x86-64?
[01:51] <patrickj> im on a Celeron D
[01:51] <jwb> i am, mindsuck
[01:51] <thespiritoftal> how can i copy it to /home/user?
[01:51] <patrickj> if thats x86
[01:51] <levander> jwb: ah, i was here wondering if it made any sense to have 8GB on a desktop, but apparently, you're not using one
[01:51] <vinboy> what font do u guys uses?
[01:51] <D1> man
[01:51] <D1> Im stuck
[01:51] <D1> the ubuntu k3b doesn't read cue/bin
[01:51] <mindsuck> jwb: How do you handle 32bit binaries such as flash player?
[01:51] <jwb> vinboy: i use Bitstream Vera
[01:51] <codecaine> thespiritoftal, just open it up select your files copy and then paste to home
[01:51] <D1> neither does graveman/gnomebaker
[01:51] <vinboy> jwb, thanks
[01:51] <codecaine> D1, how bout nero for linux?
[01:51] <patrickj> hey i use Bitstream vera for my graphics:D
[01:51] <D1> ehh
[01:52] <thespiritoftal> sorry I don't know much about linux... where can i open /home as a window?
[01:52] <patrickj> Places > Home
[01:52] <codecaine> thespiritoftal, places - home
[01:52] <thespiritoftal> oh thanks
[01:52] <jwb> mindsuck: i don't bother with flashplayer.  if you want flash to work, you need to install a 32-bit firefox or whatever browser you use (konqueror can load 32-bit flash player, if you want to use KDE).  other 32-bit packages work fine as long as you install the ia32-libs package
[01:52] <patrickj> * Places > Home Folder
[01:52] <codecaine> thespiritoftal, you gotta explore your system before you ask those kinds of questions bud.
[01:52] <thesilentkiller> i installed firefox from firefox site....added firefox to path. but looks like firefox works only if i am an su...whatsup with that?
[01:52] <thespiritoftal> another question is a programme doesn't respond... is there a kill command like ctrl+alt+del like in windows?
[01:53] <codecaine> thespiritoftal, just keep clicking the X
[01:53] <patrickj> what fonts is reccomended for installation?
[01:53] <jwb> levander: do you have a line like this in your dmesg?  Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2
[01:53] <mindsuck> jwb: There's a package for firefox-32 or something like that?
[01:53] <levander> thespiritoftal: there is a kill applet for the gnome panel, you click on the applet, then the window, the window gets killed
[01:53] <tha_gamemaster> thespiritoftal, you can open a terminal, type xkill then hit enter, then click on the dead program
[01:53] <othernoob> thespiritoftal: there is a kill command..it's called kill
[01:53] <jwb> mindsuck: unfortunately ubuntu doesn't understand mixed 64-bit and 32-bit packages, so you have to install the 32-bit in a chroot
[01:54] <tha_gamemaster> thespiritoftal, there's also kill and pkill....
[01:54] <jwb> mindsuck: there's instructions in the amd64 debian faq
[01:54] <mindsuck> jwb: I haven't experimented with x86-64 so far but I'll be getting a system soon and want to be ready for it.
[01:54] <jwb> i seriously do not miss having flash
[01:54] <mindsuck> jwb: A chroot is what I had planned so far, just wondered if it could be avoided.
[01:54] <jstylies> what command updates my "packages" list is it apt-cache update ?
[01:54] <codecaine> apt-get update
[01:54] <codecaine> apt-get upgrade
[01:55] <tha_gamemaster> is there any way to install ubuntu to an external harddrive ?
[01:55] <dacoto> is there suppose to be a .dev and also a dev directory on the root level in ubuntu?
[01:55] <jwb> mindsuck: i've been running linux on amd64 since october 2003 and haven't regretted it at all
[01:55] <jwb> gamemaster: sure, plenty of ways
[01:55] <tha_gamemaster> you rock jwb
[01:55] <mindsuck> jwb: Any broken packages I should be aware of?
[01:56] <jwb> in ubuntu hoary?  none at all
[01:56] <tha_gamemaster> jwb, ok here's the tricky part, i want to install it on an external hard drive... but ppc
[01:56] <patrickj> is enabling a root account unsafe
[01:56] <jwb> gamemaster: can you expand on "external" a bit?  is this a powerbook?
[01:56] <mindsuck> jwb: In ubuntu hoary on amd64. :)
[01:56] <levander> jwb: i'm ripping this cd to a network share.  Is it possible that the network is so slow that it's slowing down my rip this much?
[01:56] <jwb> mindsuck: i'm not aware of any
[01:57] <tha_gamemaster> it's a dual g4 powermac tower, external as in the hard drive is in an external enclosure connected direclty to the motherboard via firewire
[01:57] <codecaine> levin, very possible
[01:57] <mindsuck> jwb: Cool deal. Thanks for the input.
[01:57] <codecaine> levander, very possible
[01:57] <vader_> I am going to try and get an amd 64 for testing from work, they will probably do it
[01:57] <jwb> gamemaster: on a mac, you should have no problem installing and booting from a 1394 disk.
[01:57] <jwb> gamemaster: much harder on a pc, i'm afraid
[01:58] <tha_gamemaster> jwb: right! the mac is good i'm not having a problem with the 1394 boot, it's getting ubuntu to recognise the device is there so i can install to it
[01:58] <levander> well, i'm encoding a wav file to an ogg on that share, i'm ripping a cd to a wave on that share, that's the two things I got going that are heavy bandwidth right now.  Could that be enough to slow it down?
[01:58] <jwb> gamemaster: you don't see it in the installer?  you might need to load the "sbp2" module
[01:58] <tha_gamemaster> jwb ok thanks! let me try!
[01:58] <Dr_Fate> for those having FF issues
[01:59] <Dr_Fate> epiphany is owrking fine and fast!
[01:59] <codecaine> jwb, how would gamemaster do that?  in installer, jump to another console and load that?
[01:59] <phixion> after ive install something with wine, where would it put it? i install it to c:\program files
[01:59] <jwb> codecaine: that's how i usually do it
[01:59] <levander> Hmmm, my encoding process is using less than 10% of the CPU.  Am starting to think there's a problem.
[01:59] <vader_> I only use epiphany or opera, nothing like them 2
[01:59] <mindsuck> jwb: The Debian FAQ says OO.org hasn't been ported to 64 yet. Any news on that?
[01:59] <tha_gamemaster> codecaine, yea or in the installer you can quit the step you're on and scroll down to the bottom and open a shell
[01:59] <patrickj> how again do you install *.deb packages?
[01:59] <codecaine> agh ok
[01:59] <codecaine> sudo apt-get install <package>
[02:00] <patrickj> not from repos
[02:00] <jwb> mindsuck: it's in ubuntu
[02:00] <tha_gamemaster> jwb, modprobe sbp2 was successful but i still don't see the hard drive
[02:00] <patrickj> install a .deb file
[02:00] <patrickj> as a package...
[02:00] <codecaine> jwb, wouldn't he need to rescan hardware somehow?
[02:00] <patrickj> lol
[02:00] <codecaine> jwb, or restart udev
[02:00] <jwb> gamemaster: anything interesting at the end of dmesg?
[02:00] <mindsuck> jwb: cool. :)
[02:01] <patrickj> hey i was interested in getting into Linux programming in ubuntu, what language is reccommended?
[02:01] <asda> !sound
[02:01] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[02:01] <thesilentkiller> why does firefox require me to be an su to run??
[02:01] <jwb> patrickj: do you know any languages yet?
[02:01] <vader_> bob2: the other day you got it to where I could get my battery indicator up by typing in sudo -s mpdprobe apm, is there a way of getting this to happen upon boot?
[02:01] <tha_gamemaster> jwb, it reads it as scsi through linux... and it says something like "rejectiong i/o to offline device"
[02:02] <jwb> gamemaster: ah shameful.  linux 1394 kinda sucks right now, i'm afraid
[02:02] <Jugan> help, how do i found out if i have WARTY or HOARY?
[02:02] <codecaine> vader_, /etc/modules
[02:02] <vader_> okay and do what when there?
[02:03] <toresbe> vader_: sure,  just add "apm" at the end of /etc/modules
[02:03] <codecaine> vader_, add apm there
[02:03] <hybrid> Jugan: look in the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:03] <toresbe> vader_: sudo -s "echo apm >> /etc/modules"
[02:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok that was the easyest motherboard switch i have ever done
[02:03] <toresbe> vader_: that should take care of it
[02:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ubuntu has won my heart for ever
[02:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[02:03] <tha_gamemaster> jwb, yea it's been this way as long as i've been using firewire... it always mounts usb and firewire via scsi emulation
[02:04] <hybrid> Jugan: do this    sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and see if it has hoary or warty in there
[02:04] <toresbe> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I solve that by not using cases! ;)
[02:04] <Jugan> hybrid: besides that...what else
[02:04] <jwb> gamemaster: well that makes sense, because the sbp2 protocol *is* scsi, not emulation.
[02:04] <vader_> brb gotta try it
[02:04] <jwb> gamemaster: all i know is i was once able to install linux on an ipod from a powerbook
[02:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the only question i have now is
[02:04] <patrickj> jwb: no not really
[02:04] <hybrid> Jugan: you could uname -a and see which kernel you have compared to hoary kernel
[02:05] <patrickj> jwb: im looking for one relatively easy to learn
[02:05] <jwb> patrickj: you might try python then
[02:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> when i ran the setup cd to trouble shoot a network problem it said that my cpu supports stepping
[02:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but when i ran my old ubuntu install off of the hard drive
[02:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it said it dosen't what gives?
[02:05] <patrickj> jwb: is it easy/good?
[02:05] <Jugan> hybrid: i installed warty, but I upgraded using the Hoary CD...does that make my Warty a Hoary?
[02:05] <thespiritoftal> I have installed xmms as written in ubuntuguide.org and associated it with mp3 files and now when I try to open a mp3 file it just gets stuck... any reasons why?
[02:05] <jwb> patrickj: with python you can make normal command-line programs, and do GUI stuff, and interact with database, files, network, etc
[02:05] <codecaine> theres a better way to determine version you are running
[02:06] <patrickj> jwb: sounds good, but how to i install .deb files?
[02:06] <jwb> patrickj: apt-get install python
[02:06] <hybrid> Jugan: did it finish the install? btw you didnt need the cd to upgrade
[02:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> any ideas guys?
[02:06] <Jugan> hybrid: i included an entry in the sources.list that looks for updates in the Hoary CD and it did update some packages...
[02:06] <tha_gamemaster> jwb, how did you do it? i'm basically doing the exact same thing. i have my iPod at the ready but no desire to install it there... not enough space
[02:06] <patrickj> no I downloaded a .deb package, how can I install it
[02:06] <levander> patrickj: yeah, python is great place to start.  Is very general purpose language, can do lots of different things with it.  And is simple enough that is a good learning language.  But, is good enough, will still want to use it as you know more and more about programming.
[02:06] <Jugan> hybrid: yeah, but i only have dial-up, kindda slow, so i used the CD instead
[02:07] <jwb> gamemaster: i plugged in the ipod and it worked.  maybe because the hardware was a little older/simpler (titanium powerbook)?
[02:07] <hybrid> Jugan: next time change the name in /etc/apt/sources.list run apt-get update then run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:07] <jwb> patrickj: sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb
[02:07] <hybrid> Jugan: ah i c
[02:07] <hybrid> Jugan: order the cd's?
[02:07] <tha_gamemaster> jwb, what version of linux and where you in OS X or in a linux installer like the ubuntu cd
[02:07] <codecaine> cat /etc/debian_version
[02:08] <patrickj> thanks lol I forgot
[02:08] <jwb> gamemaster: that was with the debian ppc installer
[02:08] <tha_gamemaster> jwb, k thanks
[02:08] <codecaine> ** its cat /etc/issue ** that will show you what version of ubuntu you're running
[02:08] <jwb> yeah maybe try debian sarge's installer
[02:09] <tha_gamemaster> jwb, i'll let you know what i can acomplish
[02:09] <jwb> good luck
[02:09] <thespiritoftal> woohoo :) I can run mp3 files now :)
[02:09] <Jugan> hybrid: yes...
[02:09] <tha_gamemaster> jwb, Thank You. ^_^
[02:09] <Jugan> hybrid: i didnt want to totally upgrade to Hoary because Gnome 2.10 is unstable...it kept on crashing...
[02:10] <Jugan> hybrid: i just wanted to update some packages so that I can install MPlayer...kinda tough to install...
[02:10] <patrickj> whats a good python ide?
[02:10] <codecaine> www.wingide.com
[02:10] <levander> patrickj: emacs
[02:10] <codecaine> pure gtk
[02:11] <codecaine> patrickj, costs though like $25
[02:11] <jwb> IDEs are for sissies
[02:11] <codecaine> heh
[02:11] <levander> patrickj: check and see if bluefish supports python, that'd prolly be a good environment for a newbie
[02:11] <codecaine> bluefish works well for syntax highlighting, vim works too
[02:11] <thespiritoftal> how can i open emacs?
[02:11] <levander> thespiritoftal: type "emacs"
[02:11] <vader1102> got it...thanx
[02:11] <jwb> wow this is some hawt n00bie action here
[02:12] <tfort> whats a good file manager?
[02:12] <tfort> yea... you can add that question to it jwb
[02:12] <jurgonh> is there any software that i can burn .IMG images eith?
[02:12] <levander> lol jwb, it's been like this most of day i've been here
[02:12] <jwb> tfort: nautilus, konqueror
[02:12] <patrickj> emacs costs 25$?
[02:12] <Forty|> jwb, wow.. neither of those are very good
[02:12] <levander> patrickj: no, wingide does
[02:12] <jwb> forty: well wtf do i know, i don't use file manglers
[02:12] <levander> emacs is gpl
[02:12] <codecaine> patrickj, no wingide does
[02:12] <StFS> hello. I'm trying to install DeMuDi (an ubuntu based distro that has some patches for increased sound performance). I'm having problems getting my NIC to work when I boot up the installation CD and I've found out that I need to disable ACPI in order to get my network card up and running... however, when I boot the installation CD with "linux26 acpi=off" I get a "Kernel panic: Too many boot env vars at 'acpi=off'"
[02:13] <jwb> forty: xtree gold?
[02:13] <Forty|> jwb, well you said nautilus and konqueror, so obviously
[02:13] <StFS> anybody have any idea?
[02:13] <Forty|> jwb, i'm just teasin, i just hate anything i can associate with gnome
[02:13] <Forty|> or kde
[02:13] <codecaine> Forty|, how come?
[02:13] <citrus_> levander:  yes in nautilus   ----sorry i had to run and get my friend from the beach quick
[02:13] <patrickj> who in here programs?
[02:13] <jwb> forty|: well it seems like if someone comes on and asks that kind of question, "mc" is not the answer they are looking for
[02:13] <codecaine> Forty|, what's your wm choice?
[02:14] <Forty|> codecaine, i like openbox
[02:14] <codecaine> Forty|, you like xfce?
[02:14] <Forty|> my roomate uses it
[02:14] <jwb> patrickj: i've been programming for 20-odd years
[02:14] <codecaine> jwb, i hate mc heh
[02:14] <jwb> ok now we know what file manglers everyone hates
[02:14] <Forty|> i used rox for a little bit but it didn't have the dual file manager like an ftp program that i like
[02:14] <resiak> StFS: DeMuDi is Debian-based, hence the De :)
[02:15] <jwb> tfort: there are NO good file managers for linux.  sorry
[02:15] <codecaine> dont like rox either :)
[02:15] <Forty|> jwb, eh, just looking for a better oen then
[02:15] <codecaine> jwb, why you say that?
[02:15] <patrickj> jwb, what language(s)?
[02:15] <Forty|> codecaine, what ar eyou using?
[02:15] <Forty|> patrickj, i'm a programmer as well
[02:15] <jwb> codecaine: because any one you mention, someone surely hates it
[02:15] <codecaine> Forty|, i use xfce and gnome.
[02:15] <resiak> jwb: Not true. rox and zsh are good :)
[02:15] <codecaine> jwb, lol gotcha
[02:15] <Forty|> codecaine, i mean't for fm
[02:15] <jwb> patrickj: c, perl, and lately python
[02:16] <codecaine> Forty|, i use nautilus rarely, i just use good ole "ls"
[02:16] <jwb> well, and basic, pascal, fortran, etc
[02:16] <Forty|> jwb, ah python... scripting language supreme
[02:16] <codecaine> python is way to go especially with ubuntu as that's their main language i believe
[02:16] <Forty|> i'll stick to my C/C++ thank you
[02:16] <thespiritoftal> everytime when I open ubuntu it says *Checking root system .. / was not cleanly unmounted,check forced  and it fixes somethings and restarts the computer.How can i fix this problem?
[02:16] <vader1102> codecaine: that's all I use lol
[02:17] <codecaine> vader1102, for what? fm?
[02:17] <patrickj> hmm C any hard?
[02:17] <jwb> i recently wrote a big python project using pygtk, musicbrainz, mad, ogg, flac, ao, gstreamer, asyncore, and a ton of other junk.  i'm really impressed with the standard library and was even able to wrap some C libraries in less than an hour from sratch.  py is amazing
[02:17] <patrickj> is java any good?
[02:17] <Forty|> thespiritoftal, um... check the partition adn check your fstab
[02:17] <vader1102> the basicc one that is installed with ubuntu warty
[02:17] <Forty|> jwb, eh i woudln't go that far, py is nice, and easy, but it's definately not amazing
[02:17] <vader1102> whatever that may be
[02:17] <jwb> patrickj: C is totally easy for trivial programs, but it can be frustrating if you're just clueless
[02:18] <thespiritoftal> forty I am a rather new user can you explain me how?
[02:18] <codecaine> jwb, what did u write?
[02:18] <patrickj> jwb: Oh, I see
[02:18] <patrickj> how about java?
[02:18] <codecaine> patrickj, best bet i think is python
[02:18] <patrickj> ok
[02:18] <patrickj> where can I learn it though?
[02:18] <Forty|> jwb, C is trivial programs?
[02:18] <codecaine> patrickj, free book in pdf form called dive into python
[02:18] <Forty|> hahahhaa
[02:18] <patrickj> any good?
[02:18] <jwb> i said it's easy for trivial programs
[02:19] <codecaine> patrickj, it's actually installed default in ubuntu
[02:19] <codecaine> patrickj, very good
[02:19] <Forty|> jwb, it's also flexible and great for extremely complex ones as well
[02:19] <patrickj> whatm the book?
[02:19] <jwb> C is suitable for projects in inverse proportion to their complexity
[02:19] <codecaine> patrickj, /usr/share/doc/diveintopython
[02:19] <jwb> anyone at my company who wrote a large project in c would be fired at the earliest available opportunity
[02:20] <thespiritoftal> which packages should i download so that I can burn CDs?
[02:20] <Forty|> hmm... then i guess people should stop writing all of those pesky 3d renderers in C then
[02:20] <patrickj> ok lol
[02:20] <Forty|> and you know... most of the hard graphics programming which is most of the time written in C
[02:20] <xceses> Im pretty new to linux in general i wason gentoo for a week then i gave up because my freind said this was better, anyway im having a problem adjusting screen resolution it will only allow me to select 640/480 i need 1280/1024 so dose anyone know how i can fix it
[02:20] <jwb> C is "flexible" in the same way that a pile of bare transistors is "flexible"
[02:20] <codecaine> started python but mod_python wasn't as good as php, so im using php now
[02:20] <Forty|> or... a lot of the database program.. or operating systems... writtin in C
[02:21] <codecaine> gnome is in c
[02:21] <jwb> so you see my point
[02:21] <jstylies> my friend needs to reconfigure X on his ubuntu box, what does he type, X -configure ?
[02:21] <codecaine> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:21] <jwb> tstylies: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:21] <jwb> jinx
[02:21] <patrickj> I think i might try C
[02:21] <jstylies> thnx
[02:21] <codecaine> hah
[02:21] <Forty|> jwb, then your company must not be very good with programming :-)
[02:21] <xceses> im having a problem adjusting screen resolution it will only allow me to select 640/480 i need 1280/1024 so dose anyone know how i can fix it
[02:22] <Forty|> as C is the backbone for many (and also very successful ) large scale projects
[02:22] <jwb> forty: we value productivity
[02:22] <codecaine> xorg.conf
[02:22] <jwb> C is the least productive language in existence.  C is a machine language with macros
[02:22] <Forty|> I choose C++ over C, but still, know that C is only 2nd place to C++
[02:22] <Forty|> which still says a lot
[02:23] <Forty|> jwb, wow, heaven forbid you have  a "machine language" when programming a computer
[02:23] <xceses> im having a problem adjusting screen resolution it will only allow me to select 640/480 i need 1280/1024 so dose anyone know how i can fix it
[02:23] <codecaine> xceses, open /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change your resolution there
[02:23] <jwb> gimme a break.  i didn't come here for a flame war.
[02:23] <xceses> thx
[02:23] <codecaine> yixe!
[02:23] <jwb> you're talking to someone who writes AVR programs in machine language, not some backwards hillbilly
[02:24] <Forty|> i'm just saying, calling C a language that's not suited for large scale projects, is irresponsible and ignorant
[02:24] <Forty|> jwb, you're talking to someone who writes 3d rendering software
[02:24] <jwb> what's irresponsible is to approach any new large-scale project with C
[02:24] <misfit_toy> ok, why does totem lose sound if you open an mp3 file then close that and change to an avi?
[02:24] <jwb> forty|: so you are the guy who constantly crashes my computer?
[02:24] <Forty|> jwb, probably, you should upgrade sometime ;-)
[02:25] <Forty|> hehe
[02:25] <Forty|> regardless, what did you make with py, i'm done flaming
[02:25] <jwb> an itunes/rhythmbox-like thing which rips from all your cdroms at once
[02:26] <codecaine> jwb, where can i get it? :)
[02:26] <jwb> hardly the kind of thing where i was sweating the instruction scheduling in the inner loop
[02:26] <vader1102> I am soo glad I don't do programing lol, no wars like this, the only programming I do is to write a script for ghost or something simple like that lol
[02:26] <jwb> codecaine: someday, someday
[02:26] <codecaine> flame wars come in all sizes not just programming bud
[02:27] <Razor-X> another programming war?
[02:27] <vader1102> I know lol
[02:27] <jwb> ok i gotta split
[02:27] <Razor-X> ahhh, I guess there was one
[02:27] <xceses> when i open /etc/X11/xorg.conf it says permission denied how would i go about getting in
[02:27] <vader1102> flame war...whatever
[02:27] <Razor-X> damn, I missed it :(
[02:27] <Razor-X> ;)
[02:27] <codecaine> jwb, l8r
[02:27] <sproingie> Razor-X: some guy slagging on C, saying python was superior for big projects
[02:27] <patrickj> has neone every heard of LFS?
[02:27] <Razor-X> xceses: prepend a ``sudo'' if you're opening from the commandline
[02:27] <jstylies> is there anyway that he can reconfigure X as if he has just run a "fresh install"?
[02:27] <sproingie> Razor-X: forgetting conveniently what python is written in
[02:27] <Razor-X> sproingie: ahhh, so that's how it started
[02:27] <codecaine> xcess, sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:27] <Forty|> back to my file manager question
[02:27] <Forty|> anything light that kind of has the ftp feel ?
[02:28] <xceses> k thx
[02:28] <Razor-X> one of these days, we're going to have a battle royale of programming languages and text editors
[02:28] <Forty|> i just need to move a lot of folders to an archive and i'm not really in the mood to mv or cp it all
[02:28] <codecaine> Forty|, mc?
[02:28] <Razor-X> Forty|: my favorite File Manager would be Total Commander, Midnight Commander is the Linux CLI port, Krusader is the Linux GUI port
[02:28] <Forty|> Razor-X, *vim and C++* comes out punching first
[02:28] <Razor-X> nooo!!!!
[02:28] <Razor-X> emacs pwnz j00 buddy!
[02:28] <Forty|> hahahaha
[02:28] <Forty|> ah emacs...
[02:29] <Forty|> nano punches you so hard, you become pregnant
[02:29] <Razor-X> nano can't do shit ;)
[02:29] <hybrid> nano = easy things
[02:29] <Forty|> netiher can emacs, hehe
[02:29] <Razor-X> try and have nano record a macro to remove someone's IRC nick from every line of something copied from #flood
[02:29] <hybrid> Razor-X: ViLE :-P
[02:29] <Razor-X> vi is so ineffecient, especially it's moded design
[02:29] <Razor-X> hybrid: I don't own that vile thing ;)
[02:29] <Razor-X> hell, try and have vi record the same macro
[02:30] <Forty|> Razor-X, i know, i just like it to edit my conf files, hehe
[02:30] <hybrid> ah
[02:30] <Razor-X> but, vi can use a regexp if need be
[02:30] <joevandyk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards is very wrong when it comes to the D-Link DWL-G520.  (using the ath chipset)  I'm on a 64 bit machine.  I had to download madwifi cvs and sharutils, do some tricky compiling with madwifi (it needed four environment vars set), and then a make install.
[02:30] <Razor-X> that's my main gripe, regexps in emacs are pretty powerless
[02:30] <Razor-X> that's why I use sed when I need something like that
[02:31] <Razor-X> joevandyk: 4 environment vars are tricky?
[02:31] <Razor-X> you haven't seen a tricky compile then ;)
[02:31] <joevandyk> Right now, I have two sets of madwifi's installed, one from cvs and one from kernel-restricted.  How do I get rid of the kernel-restricted ones, and get the system to use the new madwifi.
[02:31] <Forty|> so is krusader kde based?
[02:31] <Razor-X> Forty|: yeah, it is
[02:31] <Forty|> ... *shivers*
[02:31] <vader1102> joenadyk: I am rinning the dwl-g650 and had no probs....but am on i-386
[02:31] <Razor-X> Total Commander is really really powerful if you can use it right
[02:31] <patrickj> hmm if I do C++, wuts the best IDE?
[02:31] <Razor-X> that's where my affinity for the keyboard started from
[02:31] <codecaine> patrickj, ajunta
[02:31] <Razor-X> patrickj: emacs ;)
[02:31] <vader1102> especially using madwifi
[02:31] <lachu_> hey peeppppsss this is totallly random but how do i connect to the netgamers server
[02:32] <j_fletcher> ajunta is cool
[02:32] <Forty|> soon soon, my new 64 bit will be here
[02:32] <Razor-X> lachu_: netgamer?
[02:32] <xceses> ok in my xorg.conf file it said everything is set to 1280/786 though in gnome the screen res option is 640/480?!?!
[02:32] <joevandyk> Razor-X, they're tricky when you gotta export KERNELPATH and KERNELVERSION because their build system builds it for the wrong kernel and then use this command for the build: make TARGET="x86_64-elf" TOOLPREFIX=""
[02:32] <patrickj> does emacs have Syntax highlighting snd stuff?
[02:33] <Forty|> xceses, you could do a kill -9 -1 and startx manually and see if anythign changes
[02:33] <lachu_> hav u not heard of it, it a game server that u cn log on to to play a game called PA
[02:33] <Razor-X> joevandyk: when you compile a kernel... this will al be nice air ;)
[02:33] <Forty|> xceses, you'll see if its a gnome issue or a Xorg issue
[02:33] <joevandyk> But anyways, the page is completely wrong, Ubuntu doesn't support it out of the box, and the message boards have a lot of people who had this problem.
[02:33] <patrickj> ?
[02:33] <vader1102> brb
[02:33] <xceses> ok
[02:33] <Razor-X> Forty|: or hit Ctrl+Alt+Backspace that does the exact same thing ;)
[02:33] <Forty|> joevandyk, ubuntu doesn't support a lot of things, which is the only reason i might want to go back to gentoo
[02:33] <joevandyk> Razor-X, I've never had to set an environment variable to compile a kernel.  In the past, everything was set in the .config file for the kernel.
[02:33] <patrickj> Where can I get emacs?
[02:33] <Razor-X> joevandyk: *shudders*
[02:33] <Forty|> Razor-X, not if you're using gdm
[02:34] <Kyral> its installed I think
[02:34] <Razor-X> patrickj: sudo aptitude install emacs21
[02:34] <lachu_> so hu cn help me out?
[02:34] <Razor-X> Kyral: no, unfortunately
[02:34] <Kyral> wow...
[02:34] <Kyral> Oh well, I don't use emacs :P
[02:34] <patrickj> Razor-X: thanks
[02:34] <joevandyk> Forty|, I think breezy will have the latest madwifi which would solve the problem, but the wiki is wrong now.  Ubuntu really needs an official supported hardware page.
[02:34] <Razor-X> I don't use XEmacs, but, in this day and age, it would be crime to suggest emacs21-nox to someone who doesen't like the command line as much as I do ;)
[02:34] <GMachine_24> Evening all. Anyone have ipod software that comes in an ubuntu package -- i have tried ipodder with only moderate success. thanks in advance.
[02:35] <vader1102> bk for now
[02:35] <Razor-X> I'm never buying an iPod if it's not Linux compatible
[02:35] <codecaine> gtkpod
[02:35] <Razor-X> in fact, i'm looking for a 512 MB player right now
[02:35] <hybrid> gtkpod
[02:35] <DavyO> hello ppl
[02:35] <GMachine_24> thank you.
[02:35] <Razor-X> I don't have the staggering amount of money needed for an iPod or iPod Mini
[02:35] <DavyO> how is everyone doing?
[02:35] <GMachine_24> This is to run on my computer, Razor.
[02:35] <citrus_>  can someone tell me how to make my movies have a little image of the movie in my folders in nautilus?
[02:36] <Razor-X> GMachine_24: I know
[02:36] <Razor-X> even still, I can't afford an iPod
[02:36] <joevandyk> How do I contact to fix the supported hardware page?
[02:36] <GMachine_24> ok... just checking ;)
[02:36] <patrickj> how is emacs the best C++ editor?
[02:36] <Razor-X> i'm just 15, and my money source is lunch money
[02:36] <GMachine_24> me either
[02:36] <j_fletcher> Razor-X: get a job :)
[02:36] <GMachine_24> ouch razor
[02:36] <Razor-X> and telling my parents I ate ;)
[02:36] <patrickj> isnt there a really good ide for KDE?
[02:36] <Razor-X> j_fletcher: parents are against it
[02:36] <j_fletcher> ;o
[02:36] <joevandyk> or how do i file a bug?
[02:36] <DavyO> can someone tell me how to install the industrial GTK2 theme ?
[02:36] <Razor-X> it's not in Indian ideals to get jobs at young ages
[02:36] <GMachine_24> parents are against everything
[02:36] <j_fletcher> Razor-X: thats why I moved out at 15 :)
[02:36] <stevenj> is there anyone here using backports firefox 1.0.4?
[02:36] <Razor-X> my parents could afford an iPod, but, probably the reason we have so much money is that, we don't buy much technology stuff
[02:37] <codecaine> me
[02:37] <Razor-X> and my dad earns good money, there's that ;)
[02:37] <vader1102> Razor-X: I have an mp3 player that works and it is a 512 MB give me one sec and I will give you the name of it
[02:37] <Razor-X> stevenj: quite a few, actually
[02:37] <hybrid> Razor-X: technology sucks ya dry
[02:37] <Razor-X> vader1102: how much is it?
[02:37] <crimsun> DavyO: sudo aptitude install gtk2-engines-industrial
[02:37] <hybrid> Razor-X: got linux on all your comps
[02:37] <crimsun> DavyO: should already be installed, though
[02:37] <Razor-X> hybrid: 2 computers, an i486, and this 2 year old one
[02:37] <j_fletcher> Razor-X: you cant be _that_ young if you can use Linux
[02:37] <Razor-X> 1 TV older than I am, the other is half my age
[02:37] <patrickj> wuts that C++ IDE for KDE?
[02:37] <Razor-X> j_fletcher: yes I can
[02:37] <misfit_toy> ok, why does totem lose sound if you open an mp3 file then close that and change to an avi?
[02:37] <Razor-X> I started Linux at 11
[02:37] <DavyO> crimsun : the engine is installed
[02:38] <codecaine> patrickj, ajunta is gnome
[02:38] <Razor-X> and i'm a big CLI proponent, and I code and write documentation *shrugs*
[02:38] <j_fletcher> Razor-X: same, but I got a full time job at 15 still
[02:38] <hybrid> Razor-X:  dont update the other put linux on them then say with the money you saved get you an iPod they gotta love that
[02:38] <crimsun> DavyO: so change the theme
[02:38] <Razor-X> j_fletcher: parents are against it, plus 16 is the legal age nowadays
[02:38] <xceses> ok well nothing differant
[02:38] <zone17> Hi, if I use "aptitude dist-upgrade" I get about 100 packages for upgrade, but if I use "apt-get dist-upgrade" I get 0 packages for upgrade, shouldn't that be the same?
[02:38] <vader1102> it was $101.00 a month ago....canadina $$
[02:38] <Razor-X> hybrid: hmmmm?
[02:38] <j_fletcher> Razor-X: where on earth you live :s
[02:38] <Razor-X> j_fletcher: America
[02:38] <DavyO> but when i try to download the industrial GTK theme from art.gnome.org it doesnt work
[02:38] <xceses> any other screen rez ideas
[02:39] <stevenj> backports apps seem to working fine; however, firefox has me confused-when I "smart upgrade" or dist-upgrade I get an error...is this normal? firefox seems to work after that...should I uninstall firefox 1.0.2 first then upgrade?
[02:39] <Razor-X> but, Indian families don't like kids getting jobs
[02:39] <Razor-X> it's against their family values
[02:39] <crimsun> zone17: aptitude tries harder more intelligently
[02:39] <j_fletcher> Razor-X: are you religious?
[02:39] <Razor-X> as is a lot of things Caucasian families take for granted ;)
[02:39] <Razor-X> j_fletcher: not at all, I am Hindu, but barely
[02:39] <j_fletcher> Razor-X:  then surely it dont apply to u?
[02:39] <Razor-X> it's a short stones throw from atheist
[02:39] <vader1102> Razor-X: I am looking at it right now and do not see a brand name on it
[02:39] <Razor-X> j_fletcher: it's family values, not religion
[02:39] <Razor-X> vader1102: how much was it?
[02:40] <GMachine_24> Ok so gtkpod seems to be only a program to manage ipods on an apple iPod. I need something to run on my ubuntu desktop.
[02:40] <vader1102> Razor-X: $101.00 canadian
[02:40] <Razor-X> GMachine_24: how can you manage iPods on an iPod?
[02:40] <GMachine_24> i have no idea and i don't care. i just want some software to d/l ipods to my linux computer.
[02:40] <patrickj> where the ajunta page?
[02:40] <Discipulus> j_fletcher, where'd you move to at 15?
[02:40] <Razor-X> GMachine_24: exactly, gtkpod does your stuff
[02:40] <Razor-X> you read it wrong ;)
[02:41] <j_fletcher> Discipulus: Nottingham, England
[02:41] <Razor-X> I have no dillusions -- i'm not moving out
[02:41] <GMachine_24> that figures. i'm retarded.
[02:41] <zone17> crimsun, but they both use the same repos file right?
[02:41] <Razor-X> s/dillusions/delusions/
[02:41] <Discipulus> j_fletcher, You lived in england beforehand, no?
[02:41] <j_fletcher> Discipulus: yeah, but I lived in Norway from 3 - 9
[02:41] <vader1102> Razor-X: did you see my repsonse?
[02:41] <stevenj> I basically just need to know the correct way to install backports firefox without getting an error
[02:41] <DavyO> crimsun : i have downloaded it from art.gnome.org, but it appears to be the wrong file
[02:41] <Razor-X> vader1102: that's $82 USD
[02:41] <GMachine_24> some swarthy looking guy left his packaged bottle of starbucks frappucino at our coffee table today and we were debating whether it was a bomb.... ;)
[02:41] <Razor-X> that's steep, but, I can afford it
[02:42] <vader1102> yup
[02:42] <j_fletcher> Discipulus: I'm only 16 atm, and its still going good, allthough legaly you gotta be 18 for live on your own
[02:42] <Razor-X> I'm thinking i'm going to get an iRiver *shrugs*
[02:42] <vader1102> Razor-X: I will send you the phone number for the place, and you can make the arrangements for it's delivery
[02:43] <Forty|> k, better question, anyone know a program or know if easy tag can... rename folders based on flags?
[02:43] <Forty|> for instance album name?
[02:43] <Nameeater> iRivers play ogg ^^
[02:44] <patrickj> hey wheres the ajunta home pagesourceforge page?
[02:44] <xceses> can someone walk me through fixing my screen resolution problems
[02:44] <Nameeater> patrickj: google ?
[02:44] <patrickj> i tried
[02:44] <patrickj> its all like ajunta pall and stuff
[02:44] <Razor-X> back
[02:45] <Razor-X> yeah, iRiver plays oggs, that's why I want it
[02:45] <Nameeater> http://anjuta.org/ I googled for ajunta homepage IDE :/
[02:45] <Razor-X> I've read a lot on it
[02:45] <Discipulus> j_fletcher, how'd you get a job?
[02:45] <Razor-X> only thing I don't like about it is that the UMS firmware caps speed by 30%
[02:45] <Razor-X> on the other hand, UMS speeds on my iRock are even faster than Windows
[02:45] <j_fletcher> Discipulus: i'm strong and hardworking, perfect bricky :)
[02:46] <Nameeater> UMS?
[02:46] <stevarino> okay..... the mp3 problem ( see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-639a621dfdd2455b114477921b28145252b78050 ) it says i should look for the package gstreamer0.8-mad but its not listed.. ack, help?
[02:46] <patrickj> Nameeater: Not found
[02:46] <Razor-X> USB Memory Storage, something along those lines
[02:46] <Discipulus> j_fletcher, how'd you get a place to live?
[02:46] <j_fletcher> Discipulus: i'm really not your average net-nerd, just had a thing for computers, crap at other stuff
[02:46] <HrdwrBoB> stevarino: you have to enable universe
[02:46] <j_fletcher> Discipulus: moved in with a mate, then he left to move in with his gf, now im on my own
[02:46] <Razor-X> j_fletcher: I may seem like a computer nerd, but at heart, i'm a math nerd ;)
[02:46] <Nameeater> patrickj: its slow but it works for me..
[02:46] <D1> grrr, wish someone built gnomebaker already
[02:46] <j_fletcher> Discipulus: lol :)
[02:46] <D1> I dont wanna install all these -dev dependencies
[02:46] <patrickj> OMG lol i was looking for ajunta not anjuta :$
[02:47] <j_fletcher> Discipulus: i'm good at maths, but nothing special really.
[02:47] <Discipulus> Razor-X, same here
[02:47] <Discipulus> j_fletcher, same here
[02:47] <mbirkis_> D1: i installed gnomebaker with synaptic
[02:47] <j_fletcher> ;D
[02:47] <Nameeater> it is a difficult name, I spell it wrong all the time lol
[02:47] <crimsun> D1: it's already in universe.
[02:47] <emuflame> whats up all
[02:47] <Razor-X> i've been noticing that the Ubuntu community shifts it's interests every so often
[02:47] <mbirkis_> D1: yeah listen to crimsun
[02:47] <patrickj> nice, thanks ;d
[02:47] <Discipulus> Razor-X, what do you mean
[02:47] <stevarino> HrdwrBoB: i thought i did that... under the backports repository
[02:47] <patrickj> ill have to learn to use GPP
[02:47] <Razor-X> a while back it was text editors, shifted to package managers, now it's shifted to programming languages
[02:48] <D1> crimsun, not .04
[02:48] <HrdwrBoB> stevarino: no, you also have to add universe and multiverse from the normal repository
[02:48] <Razor-X> now references to anjuta have become more popular
[02:48] <Discipulus> lol
[02:48] <vader1102> Razor-X: I just sent you that phone #
[02:48] <Razor-X> whereas in the past, it was more pleas for getting Synaptic/apt-get to work
[02:48] <Razor-X> (hence the generic sources.list)
[02:48] <Razor-X> vader1102: I saw it ;)
[02:48] <vader1102> k
[02:48] <patrickj> nice its python ide too :d
[02:48] <Razor-X> for a long time there were text editor wars
[02:48] <Discipulus> heh
[02:48] <Razor-X> now it's programming language wars
[02:49] <Discipulus> lol
[02:49] <Razor-X> even before the text editor wars, we had WM wars
[02:49] <Discipulus> no point in a programming language war, each language is written for specific puproses
[02:49] <Razor-X> I don't know why, but the #ubuntu community has had minor, but definite interest shifts
[02:49] <crimsun> are you using Hoary?
[02:49] <crimsun> D1: ^
[02:49] <Discipulus> each language has a specific purpose and serves that purpose well
[02:49] <patrickj> how do I compile or run .cc source files with gcc?
[02:49] <patrickj> lol
[02:49] <patrickj> or gpp
[02:49] <D1> yes.
[02:49] <stevenj> why is BP firefox held back using apt-get upgrade?
[02:49] <stevarino> HrdwrBoB: awesome, that did the trick, thanks!
[02:49] <Discipulus> people get too emotional about things
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> stevarino: excellent :)
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> stevarino: I'll fix the wiki
[02:50] <StFS> resiak: sorry for the late response but DeMuDi 1.2.1 Live CD is an Ubuntu CD at the core.
[02:50] <crimsun> D1: and it hasn't been backported?
[02:50] <Discipulus> patrickj, .cc? Never heard of that source file extension
[02:50] <Razor-X> Discipulus: you should've seen the ratpoison vs twm thing ;)
[02:50] <D1> not yet.
[02:50] <Razor-X> that was one kickass fight ;)
[02:50] <Discipulus> Razor-X, must have been interesting, people get too attached to things
[02:50] <Razor-X> Discipulus: yeah, i've noticed
[02:50] <patrickj> well how do I compile .cpp files?
[02:50] <Discipulus> Razor-X, or think they're way is the only way
[02:50] <Razor-X> patrickj: gcc
[02:50] <Discipulus> patrickj, gcc
[02:50] <crimsun> D1: I may be able to generate a package in a few.
[02:50] <Razor-X> one of these days, we have to have text editor clan wars
[02:51] <hybrid> patrickj: apt-get install buildessintials
[02:51] <patrickj> already have em
[02:51] <Discipulus> patrickj, gcc -o <myprog> <myprog>.cpp
[02:51] <Ryan_D> when you install the kernel source do you HAVE to recompile the kernel, even if you don't want to make any changes to the current one?
[02:51] <hybrid> cc foo
[02:51] <Razor-X> patrickj: but they're just mouthoffs
[02:51] <patrickj> do I just type gcc foo.cpp?
[02:51] <Discipulus> patrickj, gcc -o <myprog> <myprog>.cpp
[02:51] <D1> I'm gonna attempt to build it myself.
[02:51] <Discipulus> patrickj, or in that case
[02:51] <cajun> how do i make a program open ALL files of a certain file type?  I want to make all MS Office files open in Open Office
[02:51] <Discipulus> patrickj, gcc -o foo foo.cpp
[02:51] <Nameeater> uh isn't it the other way around?
[02:51] <hybrid> patrickj: yes
[02:51] <Razor-X> some unbiased third party needs to make a set of complex text editing requirements that proponents of X editor need to accomplish
[02:52] <stevarino> when i'm looking at the synaptic package manager, some of the packages are labeled with stars... whats that mean?
[02:52] <Razor-X> that way, we can have anywhere from 2-5 editor clans facing off against each other
[02:52] <Razor-X> and we'll see who wins
[02:52] <hybrid> Razor-X: i like Vi bindings but emacs is sooo damn powerfull
[02:52] <Razor-X> oh the drama! the emacs winner had a viLE user! XD
[02:52] <Razor-X> hahah, yeah hybrid
[02:52] <Razor-X> I hate vi bindings
[02:52] <Razor-X> because on a Dvorak keyboard, they're all over the place
[02:52] <hybrid> ah
[02:52] <patrickj> doesnt it come with the standard header files
[02:52] <patrickj> iostream.h?
[02:53] <Razor-X> I increased 30 WPM from the switch
[02:53] <Razor-X> but, I don't think my hands can improve anymore
[02:53] <D1> ok, all compiled.
[02:53] <Nameeater> patrickj: yes
[02:53] <patrickj> ok lol
[02:53] <patrickj> :p
[02:53] <Razor-X> Discipulus: typing source gets really tricky on big files
[02:53] <Razor-X> even in my LaTeX documents, math formulae gets gooey
[02:54] <Discipulus> Razor-X, very true
[02:54] <Razor-X> that, and I love my Eterm ;)
[02:54] <mgcross> h'llo all...are there any working backport mirrors out there...been digging for a while and can't find one
[02:54] <Razor-X> my Terminal environment is custom-tailored to me and only me
[02:54] <patrickj> brb
[02:55] <Razor-X> it's effective at security, and increases my productivity
[02:55] <Razor-X> who cares about accessibility on your personal computer, no?
[02:55] <Razor-X> (at least, that's my viewpoint)
[02:55] <darkmatter> Eterm is sweet. But then, so is E.
[02:55] <hybrid> Razor-X: tailored to you and only you is reduant
[02:55] <hybrid> Razor-X: why do they call it dvorak
[02:55] <Razor-X> hybrid: but it's meant to emphasize the point
[02:55] <hybrid> lol
[02:55] <Razor-X> Dvorak is named after the author of the keyboard layout
[02:55] <hybrid> Razor-X: i love the console
[02:56] <Razor-X> who was a distant cousin of Anton Dvorak
[02:56] <hybrid> Razor-X: ah aint john c dvorak?
[02:56] <thechristelegacy> Hey, whenever I try to run the live CD and all the text is flashing by, it hangs whenever it gets to "Mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice" IThe systen is a newly bought Dell and the mouse I am using is a USB mouse. Anyone know what the problem is?
[02:56] <Razor-X> (his name was August Dvorak)
[02:56] <Nameeater> is it possibble to see the header info in evolution?
[02:56] <Razor-X> no not that Dvorak, i'm inclined to ask if John C. Dvorak uses Dvorak though
[02:56] <Razor-X> by sending an email to TWiT, hopefully
[02:56] <hybrid> Razor-X: heh
[02:56] <Razor-X> hybrid: I compiled my Eterm ;)
[02:56] <hybrid> Razor-X: TWiT? i love twit
[02:56] <Razor-X> TWiT kicks ass
[02:56] <hybrid> Razor-X: HEH
[02:57] <Razor-X> it got me into podcasting in general
[02:57] <hybrid> TWiT systm thebroken
[02:57] <hybrid> same here
[02:57] <Razor-X> TWiT, diggnation, and KFI is what I listen to
[02:57] <hybrid> i aint listenm to diggnation yet
[02:57] <Razor-X> helps when my mom takes the whole family to her weekend exercises
[02:57] <hybrid> kfi pwns
[02:57] <hybrid> lol
[02:57] <Razor-X> (which means I can't sleep in on the weekends)
[02:57] <Razor-X> the days i'm not too sleepy (cuz I went to sleep at 4 last night), I just listen to a podcast
[02:58] <hybrid> systm showed how to make a mythtv box
[02:58] <Razor-X> or i'm not reading a book
[02:58] <Forty|> hmm anyone know a tagger that will edit the folder as well?
[02:58] <Razor-X> systm is cool, definitely, but I lack the hardware skills ;)
[02:58] <Razor-X> I'm good with software, but not with hardware, not that good anyways
[02:58] <Razor-X> Harry Potter is overrated
[02:58] <mgcross> found it, methinks...thanks anyhoo
[02:58] <vader1102> Razor-X: I try to sleep on the weekends but with the heat being what ot has been in the past 3 or 4 weeks, and no A/C it is almost impossible
[02:58] <Razor-X> I'm gonna stand in line for Knife of Dreams ;)
[02:58] <Forty|> Razor-X, mythtv is actually very easy
[02:58] <Razor-X> vader1102: it's ben like 102 here
[02:58] <Razor-X> I love the heat, it's nice
[02:59] <vader1102> been close to that here
[02:59] <hybrid> Razor-X: i like HP i want art of intruesion
[02:59] <vader1102> hotter in the apt
[02:59] <Razor-X> Forty|: you don't understand, my parents would hate the idea of me touching a circuit board
[02:59] <D1> anyone have a link on how to make .deb's for ubuntu?
[02:59] <Razor-X> and then, I don't know that much
[02:59] <D1> I wanna try to package gnomebaker .04
[02:59] <Razor-X> I know the basic theory behind electrical things
[02:59] <Razor-X> but not the application
[03:00] <hybrid> my uncle is an electrician i have but up breaker boxes from scratch with him
[03:00] <darkmatter> Razor-X, Why would they hate the idea?
[03:00] <hybrid> hmm HIM
[03:00] <Razor-X> darkmatter: they're against ``hacking'' in general
[03:00] <darkmatter> Razor-X, bad parents ;)
[03:00] <Razor-X> and Linux, and all other non-normal things
[03:00] <Razor-X> and yet, they want me to be uber-smart, and not seem nerdish
[03:00] <alex_gatinhu> oi
[03:00] <alex_gatinhu> blz glr
[03:00] <Razor-X> I don't even understand how that's possible *shrugs*
[03:01] <hybrid> Razor-X: i convienced my mom to let my install linux on here
[03:01] <Razor-X> hybrid: I secreted the double-boot
[03:01] <Razor-X> and made sure my dad didn't notice the missing space
[03:01] <hybrid> Razor-X: remember that video cast? installing linux episode 1
[03:01] <thechristelegacy> any guesses to why the ubuntu live cd hangs at "Mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice" ?
[03:01] <hybrid> Razor-X: heh
[03:01] <epitron> hey, what happened to the wiki? :(
[03:02] <GMachine_24> bye. thanks.
[03:02] <Razor-X> thechristelegacy: did you check if the CD is bad?
[03:02] <vader1102> thechristlegacy: worked fine for me....no idea why it would do that
[03:02] <vader1102> but I KNOW NOTHING
[03:02] <stevenj> can someone please take a look at this-the backports firefox 1.0.4 problem        http://phpfi.com/71331
[03:02] <vader1102> sorry^^
[03:02] <hybrid> vader1102: you too?
[03:02] <epitron> vader1102: knowing that you know nothing is the wisest wisdom
[03:02] <darkmatter> epitron, it's still there.
[03:02] <epitron> vader1102: or the stupidest wisdom
[03:02] <thechristelegacy> I ordered 2 disk, I'll check the other one, thanks for the tip :), I'll report back
[03:02] <epitron> vader1102: it could go either way :D
[03:03] <epitron> darkmatter: it says "service unavailable" when i view it
[03:03] <hybrid> Razor-X: beta
[03:03] <hybrid> now
[03:03] <Razor-X> hybrid: should I?
[03:03] <Razor-X> I was wondering about that
[03:03] <Razor-X> how fast is the torrent client?
[03:03] <vader1102> lol, I always claim to know nothing....beats having to do some awsome hard work.
[03:03] <hybrid> Razor-X: yes
[03:03] <hybrid> !
[03:03] <Razor-X> and does it soak up my CPU?
[03:03] <ubotu> hybrid: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[03:03] <Nameeater> opera is fsking win :D
[03:04] <misfit_toy> ok, why does totem lose sound if you open an mp3 file then close that and change to an avi?
[03:04] <hybrid> once i get my note book back i am gettin opera beta
[03:04] <vader1102> <---= super lasy on the weekend lol
[03:04] <darkmatter> epitron, weird. works fine on this end...
[03:04] <epitron> darkmatter: ohhh dah :) i'm using an ad blocking proxy server i wrote which doesn't support https :)
[03:04] <epitron> NEVERMIND
[03:04] <Razor-X> ``Opera users maintain that they are highly unrepresented'' -- Leo Laporte, TWiT
[03:04] <Razor-X> and that's true too
[03:04] <darkmatter> epitron, lol
[03:04] <hybrid> yea!
[03:04] <hybrid> the show up as IE
[03:04] <Razor-X> if you want it to
[03:04] <Razor-X> and I like it better that way, we're given treatment
[03:04] <hybrid> heh opera on linux
[03:04] <Razor-X> s/treatment/better treatment/
[03:04] <crimsun> they don't bother to change the user agent config from the default, heh.
[03:05] <epitron> opera is still the best browser, imho :)
[03:05] <Razor-X> crimsun: whenever I go to their site, I change it to Opera
[03:05] <hybrid> thot you didnt like vi bindings?
[03:05] <darkmatter> epitron, you mean Epiphany:D
[03:05] <Razor-X> hybrid: it's sed notation man, sed
[03:05] <epitron> darkmatter: nice try!!
[03:05] <epitron> ;)
[03:05] <hybrid> OS: Linux Browser: IE
[03:05] <mgcross> wow...backports enabled updates a lot of things...should I be doing that?
[03:06] <hybrid> Razor-X: heh
[03:06] <epitron> i used to like gnome/gtk... i've totally realized that KDE is like 10x better
[03:06] <Razor-X> hybrid: hahahaha ;)
[03:06] <Razor-X> epitron: good job!
[03:06] <stevenj> as a result of http://phpfi.com/71331 I have one broken package.  How in the hell do you install backports firefox from a fresh hoary install?
[03:06] <mgcross> ?
[03:06] <hybrid> mgcross: yes it is okay now
[03:06] <hybrid> !backports
[03:06] <ubotu> from memory, backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[03:06] <epitron> kde used to be crappy like, 5 years ago
[03:06] <epitron> and gtk used to be great when it was v1.2
[03:06] <epitron> but things change
[03:06] <epitron> :)
[03:06] <Razor-X> epitron: exactly
[03:06] <Razor-X> that's what I thought
[03:06] <principiant> algu parla el catal?????
[03:06] <Razor-X> changing Gnome to v2 was the biggest mistake Gnome coulda done
[03:06] <hybrid> i prefer screen
[03:07] <Razor-X> principiant: #ubuntu-es
[03:07] <epitron> Razor-X: they just didn't do it right
[03:07] <mgcross> why does synaptic show a fail the first time I update, and then ok farther down the list <tinfoil hat time)
[03:07] <mgcross> ?
[03:07] <Razor-X> hybrid: emacs buffers here ;)
[03:07] <principiant> ok!!
[03:07] <hybrid> lol
[03:07] <epitron> Razor-X: gtk2 was way to immature when they switched over to it
[03:07] <hybrid> Razor-X: i never thot of that
[03:07] <Razor-X> you can't split a window into two screen sessions, CAN YA?! ;)
[03:07] <Razor-X> hybrid: you aren't using your emacs effeciently then
[03:07] <Razor-X> try M-x shell
[03:07] <Razor-X> it's my favorite Terminal Emulator in emacs
[03:08] <Razor-X> seconded by M-x Eshell
[03:08] <mgcross> update the sources list, that is?
[03:08] <Razor-X> M-x terminal-emulator for an almost-identical-to-terminal terminal-emulator
[03:08] <Razor-X> and M-x ansi-term for one inbetween that supports color, like ncurses and stuff
[03:08] <Razor-X> and also, Eshell is OS independant
[03:09] <Razor-X> which means that using Eshell on Windows makes the command-line cruise
[03:09] <H00chster> Would anyone know why on Ubu for AMD64 if I boot to stock kernel all is good but booting to Vanilla 2.6.13 kernel it isn't mounting my /home partition which is on it's own drive?  system boots fine otherwise?
[03:09] <Razor-X> misfit_toy: sorry, I don't use totem, I use vlc so *shrugs*
[03:09] <hybrid> misfit_toy: looked into resticted formats?
[03:09] <H00chster> same ide interface just /dev/hdb
[03:09] <hybrid> !ristricted formats
[03:09] <ubotu> hybrid: I give up, what is it?
[03:09] <Razor-X> !restricted
[03:09] <ubotu> somebody said restricted was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:09] <hybrid> !restricted formats
[03:09] <ubotu> methinks restricted formats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[03:09] <Razor-X> hahaha ;)
[03:09] <misfit_toy> hybrid, it's not restricted, it's just an avi, if I reboot, the avi will play
[03:09] <Razor-X> beat ya!
[03:09] <Nameeater> I can't install vlc, it dies trying to download it
[03:09] <Nameeater> with apt-get
[03:09] <Razor-X> misfit_toy: there's no format called ``avi'' by the way
[03:09] <crimsun> misfit_toy: sounds like a gstreamer sync issue
[03:10] <Razor-X> AVI is a container format
[03:10] <hybrid> yup
[03:10] <Razor-X> Nameeater: have you added universe and multiverse
[03:10] <Nameeater> ya
[03:10] <hybrid> for xvid divx mp4
[03:10] <Razor-X> Nameeater: what's the error?
[03:10] <misfit_toy> crimsun, both will play, just not after each other, get my drift?
[03:10] <[freebsd> Hey, can anyone help me find a place to grab Windows XP from to use with an existing legitimate XP Home Serial? Sorry to ask off topic here, but this is the only group of intelligent people I can think of
[03:10] <misfit_toy> crimsun, a reboot fixes the issue temporarilyu
[03:10] <misfit_toy> -u
[03:10] <crimsun> misfit_toy: hence why I said it sounds like a gstreamer sync issue
[03:10] <hybrid> misfit_toy: so you can play them
[03:10] <Nameeater> can't recall right now, was a couple of days ago i last tried, trying again now
[03:10] <Razor-X> [freebsd: sorry, even if you claim it's legit, that doesen't belong here
[03:11] <Razor-X> you can try in #ubuntu-offtopic, or #windows
[03:11] <[freebsd> Its on the sticker on the side of my emachine :(
[03:11] <misfit_toy> hybrid, yes, just not one after the other, like I have a beck mp3 collection, plays fine, but open a Ramones .avi movie and no sound
[03:11] <Nameeater> I think it dies trying to download some headers
[03:11] <hybrid> Razor-X: i heard openbsd's creator was paraniod
[03:11] <misfit_toy> but a reboot fixes it
[03:11] <mgcross> hybrid: can you tell me why, when  reloading the sources list, I get a fail, and then farther down the list it says OK? Paranoid about breaking my box...
[03:11] <Nameeater> the file it wants is on the server im pretty sure but the headers are broken
[03:11] <Razor-X> hybrid: that's maybe why I don't use it? ;)
[03:11] <crimsun> hybrid: paranoia is a _good_ thing for security
[03:11] <hybrid> misfit_toy: using alsa?
[03:11] <Razor-X> I don't like BSD
[03:11] <[freebsd> Could I even copy an existing Windows Harddrive to a new harddrive, formatted fat32, and then use my XP repair disk with my serial on it?
[03:11] <misfit_toy> hybrid, ESD
[03:11] <hybrid> crimsun: yea thats why it has had 1 hole in 8yrs
[03:11] <Razor-X> I mean, anyone who thinks tcsh should be the default shell....
[03:11] <Razor-X> *shakes head*
[03:12] <patrickj> back, and PHP it is!
[03:12] <Razor-X> crimsun is our audio expert
[03:12] <Razor-X> if he can't solve it, very few can ;)
[03:12] <darkmatter> [freebsd, if it didn't come with the disk, you can't dl the disk and have it be 'legit'
[03:12] <patrickj> well I do some java i guess
[03:12] <hybrid> misfit_toy: it sounds like it get stuck on the mp3 output style therefore cant move to avi output
[03:12] <patrickj> wuts the best java ide?
[03:12] <Razor-X> patrickj: emacs
[03:12] <[freebsd> Can't you stick in the serial from the sticker on the side of the physical box from a Premade machine from Best Buy?
[03:12] <Razor-X> hahaha, emacs is an ide for everything
[03:12] <patrickj> ugh how bout eclipse?
[03:12] <hybrid> Razor-X: best song right here
[03:13] <darkmatter> eclipse is bloated
[03:13] <misfit_toy> hybrid, I agree, and I can't figure out what's stuck, a ps -ef |grep mp3....etc.... doesn't show anything
[03:13] <Razor-X> [freebsd: don't think so
[03:13] <patrickj> how about anjuta?
[03:13] <Razor-X> misfit_toy: nothing's stuck
[03:13] <darkmatter> anjuta's ok
[03:13] <[freebsd> Rar.
[03:13] <Razor-X> it means that grep mp3 returns nothing
[03:13] <hybrid> misfit_toy: hmm well you could try alsa but idk from there man sorry
[03:13] <Razor-X> [freebsd: unrar ;)
[03:13] <knoppix> My ubuntu installation won't let me auto login;  the message says the disk may be full, and "gdm cannot write to your authorizations."  I've deleted some files and made some space, but still get the same message.  Any suggestions on how to fix this?
[03:13] <misfit_toy> hybrid, thanks, no biggie
[03:13] <darkmatter> but it's not really aimed at java
[03:13] <[freebsd> Razor-X: :(
[03:13] <Jugan> hi
[03:13] <hybrid> Razor-X: best song right here! enter sandman
[03:14] <patrickj> whats the best Virtual Machine software to run Windows 2000 in ubuntu?
[03:14] <Razor-X> knoppix: try a reinstall
[03:14] <[freebsd> vmware
[03:14] <Razor-X> patrickj: VMWare if you have the money
[03:14] <hybrid> misfit_toy: wish ya luck man
[03:14] <Razor-X> if not, QEMU
[03:14] <darkmatter> qemu
[03:14] <Razor-X> you're better of double-booting though
[03:14] <misfit_toy> hybrid, I'll figure it out just hoped someone already had the issue resolved,googled for hours
[03:14] <hybrid> misfit_toy: know the feeling man
[03:14] <misfit_toy> :)
[03:14] <[freebsd> How about.. Start up a Cygwin on an existing XP home box, Rsync it to a spare harddrive through my lin box, then repair with my own serial?
[03:15] <hybrid> misfit_toy: if i hear anything i look for ya
[03:15] <Razor-X> misfit_toy: why would you grep mp3?
[03:15] <Jugan> i just installed mplayer...i compiled from source.  mplayer seemed to work fine...it can play videos already when invoked from the terminal but the GUI doesn work...it looks for libXxf86dga.so.1.  Im using WARTY
[03:15] <Razor-X> [freebsd: you can try *shrugs*
[03:15] <misfit_toy> Razor-X, that was an example, I grep'd xine, totem-xine, totem, etc..
[03:15] <Razor-X> Jugan: upgrade to hoary
[03:15] <hybrid> Jugan: apt-cache search libXxf86dga
[03:15] <Razor-X> misfit_toy: just look at ps -e plain then
[03:16] <patrickj> im gonna I already own a legit copy of VMware
[03:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> this is odd my pentium III 600mhz runs faster than my celeron 1.5ghz O_o
[03:16] <patrickj> I bought it from a commercial software manufacture
[03:16] <misfit_toy> Razor-X, let me try to reproduce it, thanks.
[03:16] <misfit_toy> brb
[03:16] <hybrid> Razor-X: i hear ya
[03:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> GUI's are awsome ^_^
[03:16] <Razor-X> ChurcH_of_FoamY: nice and RAM hogging, no? ;)
[03:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nope have 2gigs in here now
[03:16] <hybrid> processor theives
[03:17] <crimsun> hey now, X Window System provides me with lots and lots of xterms
[03:17] <Razor-X> give me a good shell, and a nice emacs, and that's all I need
[03:17] <DonL> Razor-X, I think that's what most people want
[03:17] <Razor-X> although, a barebones X, and Eterm wouldn't hurt ;)
[03:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> brb changed kernal gotta reboot
[03:17] <hybrid> DonL: it is but cli is so more efficiant
[03:17] <Razor-X> twin is pretty nice too
[03:17] <darkmatter> ChurcH_of_FoamY, I used to have an old PII 400Mhz running SuSE that made my brother's Athalon looklike a C-64:)
[03:18] <hybrid> Razor-X: all you need is a framebuffer browser irssi wget proz and you are good
[03:18] <DonL> hybrid, I would agree, but that's just some people (I agree by the way)
[03:18] <Razor-X> hybrid: xgv for the former, wget yes, other than that, I got erc for IRC
[03:18] <hybrid> DonL: yes cli isnt for n00bies
[03:18] <Razor-X> come on, you use emacs and you don't use erc?
[03:18] <misfit_toy> darkmatter, I used to have an atari 800 that made a C-64 look like a TI
[03:18] <hybrid> irssi pwns
[03:18] <knoppix> Razor-x  ok, reinstall I can do, but QEMU  I don't know, and "double-booting" ???? You mean dual-boot installation?
[03:18] <hybrid> irssi beats all
[03:18] <Razor-X> erc is better, IMO
[03:18] <DonL> hybrid, I'm not a nooby, but I do like the point and shoot stuff sometimes
[03:18] <hybrid> ill never leave irssi
[03:18] <Razor-X> knoppix: that's what double-booting is
[03:19] <darkmatter> misfit_toy, cool...
[03:19] <Razor-X> hybrid: just try erc
[03:19] <Razor-X> I prefer BitchX to irssi anyways
[03:19] <Razor-X> but, that's just me, so *shrugs*
[03:19] <hybrid> DonL: i know but newbies for particuliar dont need cli
[03:19] <Razor-X> erc is totally portable too
[03:19] <hybrid> some ppl like yast and point n klik
[03:19] <Razor-X> hybrid: to the contrary
[03:19] <Razor-X> a newbie means the person hasn't learned
[03:19] <hybrid> Razor-X: yes
[03:19] <Razor-X> if you refuse to learn, then you'll stay a newbie forever
[03:19] <Razor-X> we need a new name for those
[03:19] <hybrid> Razor-X: irssi > one word > tab
[03:20] <vader1102> I am a noob who is in the process of learning lol
[03:20] <hybrid> loseb
[03:20] <Razor-X> loseb?
[03:20] <Jugan> success!!!
[03:20] <Razor-X> hmmm....
[03:20] <Jugan> success!!! hahahaha...finally
[03:20] <hybrid> vader1102: linux is fun
[03:20] <aru> I've been learning for years, and I'm still a noob
[03:20] <DonL> Well,  hybrid , if it were'nt for linux, I probably wouldn't have learned any cli at all. I'm happy for having that happen
[03:20] <Razor-X> slipgnossians?
[03:20] <hybrid> DonL: yes i agree with you.
[03:20] <Razor-X> (pronounced ``slip-no-shiahns'')
[03:20] <vader1102> I agree, right now trying to get paltalk to run in wine and not being successful
[03:20] <hybrid> arch enemy?
[03:21] <Razor-X> (taken from the root ``slipknot'' ;)
[03:21] <hybrid> slipknot sux
[03:21] <Razor-X> exactly
[03:21] <hybrid> tool man
[03:21] <Razor-X> Slayer and Megadeth
[03:21] <hybrid> slipknot is too main stream
[03:21] <Razor-X> and a lot of Power Metal ;)
[03:21] <hybrid> Megadeth
[03:21] <aru> offtopic nerds
[03:21] <hybrid> yes!
[03:21] <patrickj> is there any tools to convert MP3 to Vorbis?
[03:21] <hybrid> lol srry
[03:21] <Razor-X> Slipknot has a 9 member band, _and_ produces crap lyrics, aint that a record?
[03:21] <aru> :)
[03:21] <Razor-X> patrickj: tons
[03:22] <hybrid> Razor-X: meet me in ubuntu-offtopic
[03:22] <Razor-X> LAME is one, IIRC
[03:22] <patrickj> whats best?
[03:22] <Razor-X> hybrid: mmmkay
[03:22] <knoppix> Razor_x  and QEMU ?
[03:22] <patrickj> wait, ill just wait a bit and ask once I install this as  my main OS
[03:22] <DonL> aru, I've been learning for years too, and I find the more I learn the more newbie I feel
[03:22] <aru> exactly :)
[03:22] <ed1t> yoooooo
[03:23] <DonL> It really is a humbling experience
[03:23] <hybrid> ed1t!!!!!!!!!!
[03:23] <ed1t> hybrid!!! hows it going man
[03:24] <hybrid> good you?
[03:24] <knoppix> Razor-X  and QEMU is ??
[03:24] <vader1102> DonL: I have only been working with pc's for 3 years and in that time I have taught myself a lot about Linux and a lot about wondows...even have my A+ and getting my network +
[03:24] <DonL> vader1102, what did you work with before?
[03:25] <vader1102> trucks
[03:25] <DonL> what? truck.com?
[03:25] <vader1102> nope...18 wheelers
[03:25] <DonL> lol, good for you!
[03:25] <tovella> i love ubuntulinux.  all it needs is a free thin version - for modest hardware.
[03:25] <r2d4> knoppix: It's an OS emulator for other OS. Google for it.
[03:26] <DonL> tovella, I thought we had that with Ubuntu
[03:26] <r2d4> knoppix: for example you can run Ubuntu while you are still in Windows or vice versa.
[03:26] <patrickj> anyone know any good games that work with ubuntu, and arent installed default
[03:26] <tovella> DonL: i mean something small like 100MB
[03:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok that was really odd
[03:27] <vader1102> my spotter walked away from the truck I was working on and something happened with it, causing it to roll off of the ramps. tranny on knees and messed my back up as well so here i Isit teaching myself about pc's
[03:27] <ed1t> hybrid, alright...about to go to bed....got work tomorrow :(
[03:27] <DonL> Ah. Okay, Don't know the minimum on this system
[03:27] <hybrid> patrickj: lincity = simcity freecraft
[03:27] <darkmatter> tovella, you can just install as a 'server' then fetch only the packages you need (fluxbox, window maker, whatever)
[03:28] <DonL> vader1102, Hope you recover
[03:28] <eazel7> hi ppl
[03:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i installed the i686 kernal and rebooted well the system hung hard core and so i killed the power and rebooted hit esc to enter the boot menu and there are 2 i686 kernals in there the first one dosen't work and the second one does O_o what gives?
[03:28] <hybrid> freecraft is good patrickj
[03:28] <vader1102> I have but will never get the release to work on vehicles again
[03:28] <vader1102> :(
[03:28] <patrickj> freecraft?
[03:29] <tovella> darkmatter: thanks for the info.  i refurbish used PCs for low-income kids. sometimes getting decent hardware is tricky - no 501 (c) (3), yet.
[03:29] <DonL> ChurcH_of_FoamY, In all the time I've played with a Unix like OS, rebooting at the wrong time pretty much killed everything
[03:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm ok but why would there be 2 listings in grub for i686
[03:29] <patrickj> what kind of game is freecraft?
[03:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> even the recovery mode has 2 listings
[03:29] <darkmatter> tovella, just a sec. there's a how to on the forums. just let me find the link
[03:30] <DonL> ChurcH_of_FoamY, not so much rebooting, but turning off the power
[03:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> you think thats what did it?
[03:30] <vader1102> tovella: that's what O do most days....volunteer at a place that sells the p2 and p3 for under $100.00 and 15" monitors for $15.00
[03:30] <vader1102> I^^
[03:30] <vader1102> has been a great learning tool
[03:31] <darkmatter> tovella, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42873
[03:31] <DonL> ChurcH_of_FoamY, maybe there's a way out, but for me, it was always a total re-install
[03:31] <darkmatter> tovella, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallUbuntuOnLowMemorySystems
[03:31] <tovella> vader1102: that's really great.  there's a place here in new york that sells them for 245-299.  i believe it to be a scam, so i started my own non-profit.
[03:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> well i'm using the i686 kernal now (the second listing of it(non recovery mode) and it works just fine >.<
[03:31] <poningru> does ubuntu automatically accomodate for the daylight savings time thing?
[03:31] <tovella> darkmatter: thanks for the link.
[03:32] <darkmatter> tovella, np
[03:32] <DonL> Apparently Unix like operating systems don't like to be turned off when they're in the middle of doing something
[03:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it just i don't understand why there would be double listings for the same damn kernal
[03:32] <hybrid> DonL: heh
[03:32] <poningru> so anyone?
[03:32] <vader1102> tovella: that's awsome dud.... I love what I do, gives me a good feelinginside when you see a family in need get something that they really need
[03:32] <vader1102> dude
[03:33] <DonL> poningru, yes it does
[03:33] <vader1102> geeeeez my fingers
[03:33] <poningru> so is it simple to change when ubuntu does it?
[03:33] <poningru> basically the US gov is changing it ahead 2 months
[03:34] <DonL> poningru,  the time change is handled automatically if you have your region set up properly
[03:34] <Amaranth> DonL: Ha!
[03:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Seveas you there?
[03:34] <DonL> poningru, nobody knows about that yet
[03:34] <Amaranth> DonL: You have any idea wrong that is?
[03:35] <Amaranth> DonL: Any bit of code that deals with DST that isn't just reading the time from the OS needs to be changed.
[03:35] <tovella> vader1102: agreed.  i also hope to do something else really special.  most first timers have some difficulty installing a PC - all the cables & whatnot.  i thought i could just give them the computer for free, and charge about $60 for delivery and installation with some training, of course.
[03:35] <Amaranth> DonL: And every OS on the planet that handles DST needs to be fixed.
[03:35] <DonL> Amaranth, I guess that will have to happen
[03:35] <poningru> so do we have any planes to do that?
[03:36] <Amaranth> poningru: Wha?
[03:36] <mgcross> hmmm...got the backports mirror going, but all the updates are marked NOT AUTENTICATED
[03:36] <patrickj> I installed lincity but it doesnt show up in any of the menus!
[03:36] <DonL> poningru, it hasn't even been finalized yet. Why worry?
[03:36] <Amaranth> mgcross: Don't worry about it.
[03:36] <poningru> DonL: because its good to be prepared?
[03:36] <mgcross> I take it the fail I'm seeing is the GPG key...any ideas why?
[03:36] <icarus> anybody got a lifetime to help me?
[03:36] <DonL> poningru, it's not like the end of the world or anything
[03:36] <patrickj> i ran from term
[03:37] <ka234> how do I see which linux kernel I have?
[03:37] <Amaranth> I wonder how many people here knew how bad the Y2K issue really was...
[03:37] <mgcross> Amaranth: anything going to break (not because of NOT AUTH) if I update using backports?
[03:37] <crimsun> ka234: which one you're running? uname -r
[03:37] <vader1102> tovells: what we do is send them home with a printed manual with pics and all of that showing them what they need to do, and we also show them how to do it all on the pc they buy when they buy it... we also sell them with our own distro of linux
[03:37] <Amaranth> mgcross: No, things won't break because of NOT AUTH
[03:37] <Amaranth> mgcross: They will probably break for other reasons but NOT AUTH is fine
[03:37] <poningru> Amaranth: I wonder how many people realize how bad the 2039 problem is?
[03:38] <ka234> excellent, thanks crimsun!
[03:38] <poningru> wait nm that isnt a problem anymore
[03:38] <mgcross> Amaranth: anything going to break  if I update using backports? Not because of authentication, simply by using backports?
[03:38] <poningru> because we will all switch to 64 bit by then
[03:38] <Amaranth> poningru: I'm sure we'll all be on 64-bit systems by then.
[03:38] <Amaranth> mgcross: Possibly.
[03:38] <poningru> 0.o
[03:38] <darkmatter> tovella, that's a very admirable cause. I've been looking into the viability of switching the elementary schools out here to Ubuntu.
[03:38] <poningru> perhaps I should have included the <sarcasm>
[03:38] <hybrid> darkmatter; edubuntu
[03:39] <mgcross> Amaranth: lol! sho I should pick and choose and not do a blanket update using backports then?
[03:39] <tovella> vader1102: that's really great, too - using linux.  is your disto available for download?  i'd like to play with it.
[03:39] <mgcross> *so
[03:39] <Amaranth> mgcross: Yeah, that'd be a good idea. :)
[03:39] <DonL> hybrid, good thought. I forgot about that
[03:39] <darkmatter> hybrid, yep.
[03:39] <mgcross> Amaranth: Thanks O wise one...apreciate it!
[03:39] <vader1102> yes, but it automagically wipes the hard drive... will get you the download page tomorrow, it is in sourceforge somewhere
[03:40] <tovella> darkmatter: perhaps you may be interested in freeduc-cd.  it's targeted as an educational distro for primary school kids.
[03:40] <DonL> vader1102, what is it you are talking about?
[03:41] <darkmatter> tovella, got a link?
[03:41] <tovella> darkmatter: just a sec.
[03:41] <vader1102> a version of Linux we use where I volunteer to put on refurbed pc's for the inder-privaleged
[03:41] <mgcross> Amaranth: do you know if the firefox update with the normal mirrors has been fixed? Opening history was causing a segfault 'till I downgraded
[03:41] <vader1102> under^^
[03:41] <DonL> vader1102, sorry, I didn't understand
[03:41] <Amaranth> mgcross: Firefox in hoary and the official version are both broken, see topic.
[03:41] <Amaranth> mgcross: Blame the mozilla guys. ;)
[03:41] <tovella> darkmatter: http://www.ofset.org/freeduc-cd  it's a live cd.
[03:42] <darkmatter> tovella: thanks
[03:42] <tovella> darkmatter: np.
[03:42] <mgcross> Amaranth: smacks forehead - I'll read the topic from now on....<sheepish grin>
[03:42] <DonL> Amaranth, I just got a new FF in my updates yesterday. Is that broken?
[03:43] <trevi> kiui
[03:43] <Amaranth> DonL: I dunno, I've been without Ubuntu for 2 days now.
[03:43] <mgcross> DonL: yup...broken :-(
[03:44] <crimsun> DonL: some people have problems with it, yes. I've had no problems with it, but I (1) don't use any extensions ; (2) removed ~/.mozilla prior to starting the updated version.
[03:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> turns out i forgot to disable backports >.<
[03:45] <Amaranth> crimsun: If you don't have any extensions why not just use epiphany?
[03:45] <Amaranth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Backports has a kernel?!?!?!?
[03:45] <tovella> got some business to tend to.   ...later all.
[03:45] <mgcross> DonL: I use extensions and all seemed well 'till I tried to open "history" segfaulted..nothing else seemed fuccowed tho...
[03:45] <DonL> I had a problem with pdf's and nothing worked so i downloaded another pdf vier tha tworks
[03:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Amaranth thats the only thing i can think of that make sence
[03:45] <crimsun> Amaranth: I don't like Epiphany.
[03:45] <vader1102> DonL: what I do is volunteer where we refurbish pc's for the underprivaleged and we have our own version of linux based on Debian... the download is on sourceforge and I will give tovella the url for the download for it tomorrow when I get homeis all I was saying lol
[03:46] <vader1102> brb
[03:46] <DonL> crimson, maybe that's what I should have done. Delete the old
[03:46] <crimsun> Galeon in the 1.2.x days was great.
[03:46] <zone17> Hi, if I want to download, with apt, the source of for example mozilla-firefox, how do I do that?
[03:47] <crimsun> zone17: sudo apt-get source mozilla-firefox
[03:47] <crimsun> s/sudo//
[03:47] <zone17> crimsun, thanks! :-)
[03:47] <Amaranth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Nope, no kernel.
[03:47] <cartel_> hey all where can i get helixplayer 1.0.5 for ubuntu? the ver in ubuntu now 1.0.1 has a security vuln
[03:47] <hybrid> cartel_: backports
[03:47] <zone17> crimsun, is it then placed in /usr/src?
[03:47] <hybrid> !backports
[03:47] <ubotu> I heard backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[03:48] <crimsun> zone17: cwd
[03:48] <superh> I've got a quick question, for anyone who might have any ideas, I've seen this mentioned searching on the forums a bit but I haven't seen any solutions: I've just got 5.4 installed, my sound hardware is detected but the volume is incredibly low. The levels are all at full in the panel and it's a laptop, so I can't very well turn up any knobs for volume... I'm at a loss eh
[03:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Amaranth than how the heck do i have dual kernals for i686 then? O_o
[03:49] <crimsun> superh: tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat
[03:49] <Amaranth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: one is SMP?
[03:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Amaranth nada
[03:49] <mrd`> Are Breezy Live CDs only provided for AMD64 now?
[03:49] <Amaranth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: *shrug*
[03:49] <DonL> superh, I've not got a laptop, but in my experience, there are lots of programs in the system that use volume, and one of them is probably turned down
[03:49] <mrd`> (The daily generated ones.)
[03:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ditto
[03:49] <vader1102> crimsum: in english forme please, I am having the same prob
[03:49] <Amaranth> mrd`: The daily CDs fail to build all the time.
[03:50] <darkmatter> ubotu, that servers overloaded. http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/
[03:50] <ubotu> Wish i knew, darkmatter
[03:50] <Amaranth> mrd`: Maybe today only AMD64 actually built a full Live CD.
[03:50] <Chalma> I finally got my linux working but it never asked me to make my partitions for fat32
[03:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i see what happend
[03:50] <mrd`> Amaranth: What would cause i386 to not have been built?
[03:50] <Chalma> I was going to use "mkdosfs -F 32 -n shareddrive" but how do I specify the size?
[03:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have 2 diffrent versions of the i686 kernal installs
[03:51] <Chalma> I want it to be 40GB for the fat32 shareddrive
[03:51] <Amaranth> mrd`: Well, the fact that breezy is highly broken and unstable might have something to do with it. :)
[03:51] <vader1102> my sound will not allow me to crank it though so it may not be the same
[03:51] <DonL> Amaranth, Ahh You live dangerously!
[03:51] <zone17> crimsun, why do you ref to working directory?
[03:51] <Amaranth> DonL: I'm not even on Ubuntu right now, my HD crashed. :/
[03:52] <Amaranth> DonL: But up until the crash I was up-to-date on breezy. :D
[03:52] <mrd`> Amaranth: But the packages aren't all rebuilt everyday just for the Live CDs, are they?
[03:52] <DonL> Amaranth, I hate when that happens
[03:52] <cartel_> thanks for the backports link
[03:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i686 2.6.10 and i686 2.6.11
[03:52] <mrd`> Amaranth: Or are you refering to dependency problems?
[03:52] <darkmatter> Amaranth, ouch...
[03:52] <Amaranth> mrd`: something like that
[03:52] <DonL> Amaranth, was breezy good?
[03:52] <Amaranth> DonL, darkmatter: The really bad part is that I lost all my work on Smeg 0.8
[03:52] <mrd`> DonL: If you can stand everything breaking daily. :)
[03:53] <Amaranth> it looked really nice though
[03:53] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/nautilus2.png
[03:53] <DonL> I've lost so much I don't really worry too much about it anymore. Mind you, since discovering Ubuntu, I now have a system I would like to keep
[03:53] <mrd`> Er, I didn't have all those problems just now---I meant in the time since I started using Breezy, a few months ago.
[03:53] <darkmatter> Amaranth, damn, I was looking forward to that:( Oh well, just going to have to wait...
[03:54] <Amaranth> darkmatter: yeah, i lost a month of work and i start college soon...
[03:54] <Amaranth> darkmatter: so it might not happen at all
[03:54] <Kyral> Amaranth, where?
[03:54] <darkmatter> Amaranth, :(
[03:54] <Amaranth> just some tech school
[03:54] <Kyral> I love college
[03:54] <Kyral> going into my Sophomore year
[03:54] <Amaranth> all the stuff listed on http://www.realistanew.com/nautilus2.png is what i was working on and have now lost
[03:55] <Amaranth> yay
[03:55] <Kyral> how?
[03:55] <Amaranth> HD overheated
[03:55] <poningru> dude that sucks
[03:55] <Kyral> O_O
[03:55] <poningru> can you recover?
[03:56] <darkmatter> Amaranth: Nautilus too?
[03:56] <Kyral> how the **** does a HD overheat?
[03:56] <Amaranth> darkmatter: haha, no
[03:56] <Amaranth> Kyral: you put 2 of them next to eat other and wait
[03:56] <poningru> I had a question, are there any plans to change the default theme of ubuntu?
[03:56] <Kyral> uhh, I have that
[03:56] <Amaranth> Kyral: they are more than just spinning disks
[03:56] <Kyral> and......its not overheating
[03:56] <Amaranth> s/eat/each/
[03:57] <poningru> the brown is kinda lame
[03:57] <Amaranth> yeah, my HDs get really hot
[03:57] <Amaranth> poningru: no
[03:57] <Kyral> then again, I have like 4 fans in my case
[03:57] <Amaranth> poningru: it may seem lame but it does work
[03:57] <Kyral> 3 80mms and 1 Slot Fan
[03:57] <poningru> well I know it works
[03:57] <Kyral> and an 80mm CPU fan
[03:57] <poningru> so do other themes
[03:57] <poningru> I mean brown is just ugly
[03:57] <G|immer> hello all
[03:57] <DonL> dinner time for me. Night all
[03:57] <darkmatter> Kyral: You need more fans:D
[03:57] <Amaranth> it's not ugly, that's a matter of opinion
[03:58] <Amaranth> clearlooks-deepsky is even tinted a tan/brown color
[03:58] <poningru> yeah shared opinion of so many people
[03:58] <poningru> brb
[03:58] <Kyral> darkmatter, I thats all my case can hold :P
[03:58] <Chalma> I just installed ubuntu and am getting used to the commands, I forgot to make a fat32 partition so I want to do one now, the fat32 part. will be called "shareddrive" and I want it to be 40GB, may I ask what the command for that would be?
[03:58] <darkmatter> Kyral: Bigger case?
[03:59] <G|immer> how to restore the functionality where if i click on a URL in GAIM for example, the URL is opened in firefox? Currently when I click, nothing happens. It used to work before.
[03:59] <Amaranth> poningru: That's fine but the artists and developers like brown.
[04:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20010318
[04:00] <darkmatter> browns easier on the eyes
[04:00] <kyncani> Chalma: use qtparted
[04:00] <concept10> Anyone use debian unstable or breezy repos?
[04:01] <Amaranth> concept10: Do not mix debian and ubuntu repos
[04:01] <concept10> Amaranth, gimme one reason?
[04:01] <sorush20> hi.. guys...
[04:01] <darkmatter> concept10: Things break
[04:01] <sorush20> I'm back...
[04:01] <Chalma> kyncani: thanks I'll try that from terminal now
[04:01] <Amaranth> concept10: Circular dependencies.
[04:01] <Amaranth> concept10: Version conflicts.
[04:01] <sorush20> I've just been able to fix the Ndiswrapper problem...
[04:02] <sorush20> does anyone know what the command modprobe does
[04:02] <parabolize> sorush20, hello...
[04:02] <kyncani> Chalma: qtparted needs a graphical environnement
[04:02] <concept10> I know things break, but some things I dont want to wait for.  For example FF/TB  1.06
[04:03] <Chalma> I"m still working on the graphical working
[04:03] <sorush20> I think I have many other problems to fix.. like getting my printer to run with ubuntu,
[04:03] <sorush20> my browsers is jumpy....
[04:03] <Chalma> do you know how to use the mkdosfs command? the only thing I dunno is how to specify the 40gb
[04:03] <sorush20> can anyone help...
[04:04] <sorush20> I think my driver for the onboard Graphics is not being recognised wel or is not running properly...
[04:05] <darkmatter> later folks:)
[04:05] <G|immer> how to restore the functionality where if i click on a URL in GAIM for example, the URL is opened in firefox? Currently when I click, nothing happens. It used to work before.
[04:06] <sorush20> when I'm using device manager to have a look at the devices... I don't think the graphics driver or the sound driver are upto date... can anyone help...
[04:07] <mattt> G|immer: it's in the settings/preferences
[04:09] <G|immer> mattt: oic, thanks.
[04:10] <mattt> G|immer: np
[04:11] <ryno_> anyone in here know anything bout networking
[04:11] <knoppix>  vander1102  Congratulations, man.  You're doing something really useful.
[04:12] <mattt> ryno_: more specifically?
[04:13] <moua> does anyone use Ubuntu Backports here ?
[04:13] <ryno_> i cant see this comuter or connect says no route to host just installed ubuntu last night
[04:13] <mattt> is the gateway set?
[04:13] <ryno_> on eth0
[04:13] <ryno_> yeah
[04:13] <mattt> ryno_: netstat -rn
[04:14] <vader1102> ty knoppix
[04:14] <ryno_> 2 entries one does one doesnt
[04:15] <yannick> hi everybody it's 4.15am and I have trouble installing ubuntu (and I am also a french speaking very bad english^^) someone can help me ?
[04:15] <vader1102> knoppix: I just wish I was smart enough to do all of the programming and all that it has taken to do all of what has been accomplished there
[04:15] <yannick> damn not ubuntu !!!!! just a software called skippy !
[04:15] <moua> yannick, : #ubuntu-fr
[04:18] <patrickj> how much programming was put into Ubuntu?
[04:18] <Chalma> well I'm out, they need to come up with a version of linux that retarded people can use, that would fit me perfectly (although I'd proabbly still foul it up)
[04:18] <Chalma> lates all
[04:18] <paladin2> Hey, I'm retarded, and I can use it!
[04:20] <ryno_> am i still here lol
[04:20] <patrickj> lol easiest linux ever = SuSE
[04:20] <zack_> Hi, I came to ubuntu from Knoppix and was dissapointed with the apt-get resources... I liked going to the console, doing apt-get and installing more of a selection of files... is there any way to make it to where I can get a larger range of files?
[04:20] <ryno_> xandros
[04:20] <thoreauputic> !repositories
[04:20] <ubotu> it has been said that repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:20] <ryno_> so far
[04:21] <zack_> thanks room
[04:21] <thoreauputic> zack_: see Ubotu's URL
[04:21] <spyguitar> quick one: what's the command to create a symlink?
[04:21] <ryno_> ln -sf
[04:21] <patrickj> so whos the creator of the Ubuntu project?
[04:21] <ryno_> dont know im noob
[04:21] <spyguitar> thank you, ryno.
[04:22] <robert__> someone who knows howto 'convert' ubuntu system language from one to another ? I did install my language pack (sv, swedish) and configured 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' then removed the english one, but its not working. Please someone who knows "howto" ?
[04:22] <ryno_> np
[04:22] <thoreauputic> patrickj: Mark Shuttleworth is behind it
[04:22] <knoppix> vander1102  Yeah, it would be great to understand all of this, but I can only work on a little bit at a time.
[04:22] <patrickj> Thats his name lol, I forgot it
[04:22] <ryno_> i need network help
[04:22] <patrickj> is he EVER in here?
[04:22] <paladin2> I just popped in to lurk, but I've got to say I came over from Windoze not too long ago, and I love Ubuntu.  Never go back...
[04:22] <thoreauputic> patrickj: sometimes, and sometimes in #ubuntu-devel
[04:23] <ryno_> need my mp3s lol
[04:23] <patrickj> cool
[04:23] <patrickj> is lfs any good compares to this?
[04:23] <ryno_> cant find nothing on the forums
[04:23] <thoreauputic> paladin2: welcome to Freedom :)
[04:23] <warty_> hi guys
[04:23] <ryno_> anyone know how to start samba or nfs
[04:23] <spyguitar> yup, ryno, that did it. thanks again.
[04:23] <ryno_> np
[04:24] <ryno_> glad to help heh
[04:24] <ryno_> only been at it for bout 3 months now
[04:24] <thoreauputic> ryno_: sudo invoke-rc.d <service>
[04:24] <paladin2> heheh... thanx!  'Twas my brother in-law's doing.  Can't wait for the next release - and for the AMD64 to work properly.  Too many problems, I went back to 386
[04:24] <warty_> I've got an interesting situation, I don't think it will be very hard to fix:
[04:24] <thoreauputic> ryno_: or sudo /etc/init.d <service> start|stop etc
[04:25] <knoppix> Zack  So, what package managewr are you useing now?
[04:25] <warty_> this computer has a messed up fs, so messed up I can't load far enough to run fsck, so I've loaded up a live cd
[04:25] <thoreauputic> ryno_: oh, same start|stop
[04:25] <warty_> how do I run fsck on the hard drive, which isn't loading?
[04:25] <thoreauputic> ryno_: sorry same for invoke-rc.d ( the start| stop etc)
[04:26] <paladin2> Actually, maybe some of you can help.  I've been wanting for some time to digitize some video footage - should I use Kino for this?  Any other suggestions?  How difficult is it to capture with sound...?
[04:26] <warty_> if fsck doesn't work, then I think I pretty much have to do a reinstall...I'd prefer of course to do that as a last resort
[04:26] <ryno_> unknown on both those
[04:26] <Octane> is ther ea program i can use to open up an rpm file
[04:26] <paladin2> alien
[04:27] <Octane> not to install
[04:27] <Octane> to open
[04:27] <paladin2> oops
[04:27] <Octane> i wanna extract one file from it
[04:27] <thoreauputic> Octane: if you want the contents, file roller can open it
[04:27] <Octane> thoreauputic: thank you man
[04:27] <epitron> paladin2: hrm.. what are you capturing from? DVcam? tv-in?
[04:27] <thoreauputic> Octane: no worries :)
[04:28] <paladin2> epitron: svideo in
[04:28] <ryno_> sudo didnt work anything else
[04:28] <epitron> paladin2: okay... so you have to take a raw video stream and compress it, then edit it?
[04:28] <vinboy> how do I get my local ip in the console?
[04:28] <bob2> vinboy: ip a
[04:29] <vinboy> ic
[04:29] <vinboy> any other way?
[04:29] <thoreauputic> ryno_: umm.... sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart doesn't work?
[04:29] <ablyss> vinboy: route and ifconfig
[04:29] <parabolize> My iriver audio player (Model: IFP-890) does not work with my new computer that has a ASUS A7V8X-X motherboard. The audio player has the UMS v1.28 firmware on it and works just fine with my old Compaq that is also running Ubuntu 5.04. I have another UMS device that works OK in the new computer. Here is what I get with dmesg: http://users.adelphia.net/~phann8/dmesg.txt Anyone know what that error message means?
[04:29] <vinboy> that's it.. ifconfig
[04:29] <vinboy> thanks
[04:30] <ryno_> command not found
[04:30] <thoreauputic> ryno_: err... do you have samba installed?
[04:30] <paladin2> Pretty much.  I basically want to get VHS tape into the computer.  Nothing too extravagant...  ;)
[04:30] <warty_> so from the live cd what do I have to do to take a look at the fs on the hard drive?
[04:30] <ryno_> dont know does it come with ubuntu iso?
[04:31] <thoreauputic> ryno_: no, you install it
[04:31] <ryno_> ah
[04:31] <thoreauputic> ryno_: what are you trying to do?
[04:31] <ryno_> i have to dl it
[04:31] <ryno_> i want my mp3s off my other system
[04:31] <thoreauputic> ryno_: use the synaptic package manager
[04:31] <epitron> paladin2: okay, i'd recommend mencoder then. if you use ffmpeg's mpeg4 codec, you can encode at like 40fps at about 320x240 with deinterlacing and smoothing
[04:32] <epitron> (on a celeron-600)
[04:32] <epitron> :D
[04:32] <epitron> it's a good encoder
[04:32] <ryno_> ok
[04:32] <epitron> you just need to learn a couple commandline options
[04:32] <epitron> it's got a ton of great features though
[04:32] <thoreauputic> ryno_: if the other system is windows, use "connect to server"
[04:32] <mazzabr> hmm.. where can I find the key-mapping file to gnome (question mark)
[04:32] <paladin2> epitron: Cool.  Is that a gui or command-line thing?
[04:32] <mazzabr> question mark key isn't working here.
[04:33] <paladin2> I see, is it bundled with Mplayer?
[04:33] <paladin2> <googled it!)
[04:33] <ryno_> its linux
[04:33] <ryno_> and thanks for that btw
[04:34] <thoreauputic> ryno_: you need the server installed on the machine you want to access
[04:34] <ryno_> it is i believe
[04:35] <ryno_> not running though
[04:35] <paladin2> Just searched for it in Synaptic.  I'll try it out - thanks!
[04:36] <warty_> so does anyone know how I can check my hard drive file system from the live cd?
[04:36] <ryno_> sorry for the stupidity not used to gnome heh
[04:36] <Jet2k5> morning ladies
[04:37] <paladin2> epitron: recommend any front ends, or are they all pretty much the same?  I like the gnome apps, generally ('cept for K3b...!)
[04:37] <quad> hey all, anyone know how to fix the networking issue in breezy? dhcp isn't getting an ip from my router
[04:38] <ryno_> its installed and still wont do the command
[04:38] <ryno_> invoke fails
[04:38] <ka234> where do I put these lines so I can get my SideWinder joypad to work at when Ubuntu starts up?: sudo /sbin/modprobe joydev, sudo /sbin/modprobe emu10k1-gp, sudo /sbin/modprobe sidewinder.
[04:39] <slbarranco> for some reason firefox won't launch anymore
[04:39] <slbarranco> it doesn't give me any errors
[04:39] <slbarranco> i can't run it from the command line either
[04:39] <slbarranco> has anyone else run into this?
[04:39] <bob2> are you on hoary?
[04:39] <bob2> do you have lots of extenions?
[04:39] <thoreauputic> ka234: you don't do that - you just put the module names in /etc/modules
[04:39] <slbarranco> i also tried reinstalling it
[04:39] <beekay> how can i find out my horizontal and vertical sync?
[04:39] <bob2> did you get security updates last week?
[04:40] <Marble2> is there a tool that will tell me all the info about what codecs a video file is using?
[04:40] <slbarranco> i did install the mplayer piece
[04:40] <slbarranco> yeah i'm in hoary
[04:40] <slbarranco> but then i installed firefox completely
[04:40] <slbarranco> and reinstalled it
[04:40] <slbarranco> err unistalled it completely
[04:40] <bob2> that won't help
[04:40] <thoreauputic> beekay:  xvidtune
[04:40] <warty_> please! My filesystem won't load! I've loaded up a live cd right now, how do I check the filesystem of the hard drive?
[04:41] <slbarranco> bob2: any ideas for what i could try
[04:41] <slbarranco> ?
[04:41] <beekay> thoreauputic: thanks
[04:41] <Ryan_D> is anyone using a wireless pci card that they know works well out-of-the-box on hoary?
[04:41] <bob2> slbarranco: just wait until tommorow
[04:41] <bob2> I'd guess the new firefox will fix it for you
[04:42] <jchoisy> Ryan_D, atheros cards work fine. my lill bro has one.
[04:42] <warty_> guys, this should be a simple question! how do I load up the hard drive off of the live cd so that I can run fsck on it?
[04:42] <bob2> warty_: please stop being annoying
[04:42] <bob2> ask once and wait
[04:42] <bob2> you just run fsck on it, that's all
[04:43] <warty_> no, the hard drive isn't loaded at all
[04:43] <bob2> "loaded"?
[04:43] <tritium> warty_, you don't "load" it
[04:43] <isai> want to install ubuntu on my centrino laptop. Will wireless network work 'out of the box'?
[04:43] <dug> load/mount, same thing
[04:43] <bob2> you mean the kernel didn't detect it at all?
[04:43] <bob2> isai: yes
[04:43] <thoreauputic> warty_: you don't mount the hdd to fsck it
[04:43] <tritium> If you mean mount it, you in fact don't want it mounted
[04:43] <isai> wep too?
[04:44] <warty_> if I do a free I don't get any sort of file systems detected that could possibly be the hard drive
[04:44] <bob2> that's fine
[04:44] <warty_> and if I just type fsck I don't get any response....it doesn't run on anything
[04:44] <bob2> df only shows mounted filesystems
[04:44] <jchoisy> isai, yes, we too. But not wpa
[04:44] <bob2> so
[04:44] <bob2> you need to point  fsck at the hard disk
[04:44] <jchoisy> isai, I meant 'wep too'
[04:45] <Marble2> Does anyone know how to make the audio and video stay in sync after I edit a video file?
[04:45] <isai> good enough, thanks.
[04:45] <Marble2> using avidemux
[04:45] <tritium> warty_, you need to give fsck a little more information.
[04:45] <warty_> what sort of command would I use to point fsck at the hard drive then?
[04:45] <bob2> just as the help output says
[04:45] <warty_> df doesn't list any filesystems
[04:45] <bob2> fsck /dev/whatever
[04:45] <dug> fsck /dev/hda1 or whatever device the drive is
[04:45] <bob2> you need to go find out what device it is
[04:46] <quad> bob2: is there a solution to the dhcp bug where it isn't able to get a lease on an ip from my router (someone else had the problem here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51242)
[04:46] <freddy> hello !!
[04:46] <ka234> thanks thoreauputic.
[04:47] <bob2> "don't use breezy"
[04:47] <warty_> okay, is there a system to what device it would be?
[04:47] <thoreauputic> ka234: you're welcome
[04:47] <quad> bob2: haha yeah, is there any other solution currently?
[04:47] <bob2> also try to configure it manually using ifconfig and dhclient
[04:47] <warty_> there's a ton of devices listed in /dev
[04:47] <bob2> I'd be pretty surprised if it was a problem with dhclient
[04:48] <quad> bob2: as in get a static ip?
[04:48] <thoreauputic> warty_: if you have one hard drive it will likely be /dev/hda
[04:48] <ryno_> cool now its working thanks thore
[04:48] <bob2> quad: no, as in configure it manually with dlicnet
[04:48] <freddy> ok i have a question here, if i have samba installed, and i wanna acces a share directory one the network...how can i acces it thru console? or thru an url? remember on windows when you have problems with networks you couldnt see you could just open a browser and type \\domain\share and it could acces it, how can i go about doing this on ubuntu?
[04:48] <bob2> er, dhclient
[04:48] <quad> bob2: ok, i will play with that
[04:48] <bob2> freddy: you mount it
[04:48] <warty_> okay, yeah, that found something
[04:48] <warty_> thank you
[04:48] <freddy> oh mount it
[04:48] <bob2> freddy:  sudo mount -t smbfs -o ro //192.168.1.101/stuff /mnt/kazoo
[04:49] <freddy> oh..now i have to figure the ip of the computer
[04:49] <freddy> hrmm
[04:50] <freddy> 11 floor...and im on the first floor...jesus...well brb...
[04:50] <warty_> one last question about that for now...do I need to run an fsck appropriate to what type of filesystem it was, i.e. fsck.ext2 or fsck.ext3 or something?
[04:50] <warty_> because I don't remember which of those two it was...
[04:50] <freddy> bob2, thanks..gonna run to 11 floor..and ill be back in a bit...gotta firgure out the ip of the computer with the share
[04:52] <ryno_> whats wrong with elevator lol
[04:52] <thoreauputic> warty_: try typing " fsck --help" and read the options
[04:52] <dug> warty_: I usually run a tool called QParted to view all the drives & partitions, it tells all the info
[04:52] <dug> QTParted I mean
[04:52] <concept10> bob2, what is the best way to stay updated with the latest packages, say for example Firefox 1.06 besides compiling from source, what repo contains the latest and greatest
[04:53] <Chris_Tucker> im getting an error from kaffeine when i try to play a dvd
[04:53] <bob2> concept10: 1.0.6 alegedly only has security fixes on top of 1.0.2
[04:53] <nalioth> concept10: idk of an ubuntu repo that is "lates and greatest"
[04:53] <bob2> concept10: and hoary has 1.0.2 with all those security fixes
[04:54] <Chris_Tucker> this is a fresh ubstall if kubuntu on a high specs machine
[04:54] <concept10> nalioth, explain idk?
[04:54] <dug> Chris_Tucker: there is a #kubuntu channel, too, maybe they can help
[04:54] <nalioth> idk = i don't know
[04:55] <bob2> concept10: the development version of ubuntu generally has more recent packages, but it's also highly broken at the moment
[04:55] <concept10> bob2, so the security fixes of all Hoary packages are backported to the original version?
[04:55] <bob2> concept10: correct
[04:55] <concept10> bob2, sort of like sarge?
[04:56] <bob2> concept10: no
[04:56] <bob2> much more broken than unstable has been
[04:56] <freddy> bob2, that didnt work :(
[04:56] <freddy> mount: wrong fs type
[04:56] <freddy> etc etc
[04:56] <bob2> do you have smbmount installed?
[04:56] <freddy> the computer with the share is xp
[04:57] <concept10> I understand that using Breezy is not recommended, I just want to stay on top of security fixes for common software, not make major changes to the install
[04:57] <bob2> er, smbfs
[04:57] <bob2> concept10: breezy has no security program, either
[04:57] <freddy> bob2, now i do :P
[04:57] <bob2> if you want security support, use stable
[04:58] <nalioth> i has been one weird day with my puters
[04:58] <jasoncohen> concept10, generally, breezy gets packages quickly enough that most security programs are fixed reasonably soon- but there's no guarantee of security support at all
[04:58] <jasoncohen> same is true of sid
[04:58] <tritium> what's up, nalioth ?
[04:58] <abarbaccia> hey guys - aren't these packages the same?  transcode: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-7) but 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 is to be installed
[04:59] <richard25killing> hello room
[04:59] <richard25killing> i have a question
[04:59] <richard25killing> im new to ubuntu
[04:59] <bob2> abarbaccia: no, don't use packages from outside ubuntu
[04:59] <richard25killing> just got started with it last night
[04:59] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: just ask
[04:59] <richard25killing> ok
[04:59] <richard25killing> can i get packages off the internet
[05:00] <richard25killing> to install on here
[05:00] <richard25killing> or just from you
[05:00] <abarbaccia> bob2, im not using packages outside ubuntu - im trying to install transcode from the ubuntu-extras repository
[05:00] <bob2> richard25killing: you can get ubuntu packages off the internet, yes
[05:00] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: use the package manager
[05:00] <freddy> bob2, thanks a lot man
[05:00] <bob2> abarbaccia: then those packages are broken
[05:00] <richard25killing> ok
[05:00] <bob2> abarbaccia: talk to whoever made them
[05:00] <thoreauputic> !synaptic
[05:00] <ubotu> hmm... synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[05:00] <richard25killing> do i have to construct the installs
[05:00] <abarbaccia> bob2, is there any way to force it?  how do i know who made it?
[05:00] <richard25killing> or is it automatic
[05:00] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: see ubotu's URl
[05:00] <bob2> abarbaccia: no, forcing it will not help, and will break apt
[05:00] <bob2> richard25killing: you just select the packages and it downloads and installs them
[05:01] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: and this one below
[05:01] <thoreauputic> !repos
[05:01] <ubotu> methinks repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:01] <bob2> abarbaccia: no idea, hoary-extras is some non-ubuntu group of people
[05:01] <bob2> abarbaccia: I assume they hang out on the forums
[05:01] <abarbaccia> bob2, thanks - i appreciate it
[05:01] <richard25killing> do you know a good place on the internet to look for outside packages for this
[05:01] <vinboy> when I start gnome bittorent
[05:01] <bob2> recompiling their transcode packages would probably work
[05:01] <vinboy> it ask me for Bittorent meta file
[05:01] <bob2> richard25killing: you don't do that, generally
[05:01] <vinboy> if I click cancel,,, the program quite itself
[05:01] <richard25killing> ok
[05:01] <vinboy> what should i do
[05:01] <bob2> richard25killing: what do you want that isn't in ubuntu?
[05:01] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: *cough* 16 000 packages not enough for you?
[05:02] <concept10> I guess I dont understand the reason why fixes are backported to the original version.  Why doesnt Ubuntu use the package version of package <n>
[05:02] <dug> richard25killing: you might want to enable the "universe" repository for more ubuntu packages
[05:02] <richard25killing> ok
[05:02] <richard25killing> how do i do that
[05:02] <bob2> concept10: because new versions break things
[05:02] <dug> or metaverse, can't remember exactly, sorry
[05:02] <bob2> concept10: and breaking a stable release is terrible
[05:02] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: if you read the two URLs ubotu posted above you will be on the right track
[05:03] <dug> yeah the 2nd url shows how to enable universe
[05:03] <concept10> bob2, I mean the version number
[05:03] <dug> check 'show disabled sources' in the synaptic package manager prefs
[05:03] <freddy> cp -rf directory/ newlocation/ will copy the entire directory?
[05:03] <bob2> concept10: you want ubuntu to backport fixes then lie about the version number?
[05:04] <richard25killing> ok i knew that
[05:04] <abarbaccia> bob2, just for reference u need to use backports in order to use extras - they go hand in hand - problem solved! ;)
[05:04] <richard25killing> but i want codecs to play dvds on here
[05:04] <richard25killing> how do i get those
[05:04] <bob2> abarbaccia: omfg
[05:04] <bob2> abarbaccia: they backport libgcc?
[05:04] <thoreauputic> !multimedia
[05:04] <ubotu> I heard multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[05:05] <concept10> bob2, Thats not what Im suggesting.  I am inquring why repos dont use the version number of the original program
[05:05] <Marble2> how can I install the regular xvid codec (NOT the xvid4 codec)
[05:05] <thoreauputic> !restricted
[05:05] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:05] <bob2> concept10: they do
[05:05] <bob2> concept10: example?
[05:05] <concept10> bob2, okay.
[05:06] <concept10> bob2, I could use firefox
[05:06] <paul_> Hi all, I'm reasonably new to any version of Linux, and especially Ubuntu, and I've managed to work out how to setup my wireless card, and WPA encryption using wpasupplicant, my problem is, I've got no idea where to put the command to start wpasupplicant when Ubuntu boots.  I've some searching of the wiki, and google, but I've come up with nothing.  I'm assuming it needs to go into /etc/rc* somewhere, but where?  Any help would be much appr
[05:06] <paul_> eciated.
[05:06] <bob2> concept10: firefox's version in ubuntu is 1.0.2
[05:06] <bob2> paul_: setup /etc/network/interfaces like this page suggests: http://webusers.physics.umn.edu/~kaminski/thinkpad/debian-sarge-on-thinkpad-t42.html
[05:06] <thoreauputic> !codecs
[05:06] <ubotu> [codecs]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:07] <concept10> bob2, if Hoary's version of firefox is built the same as 1.06, why not change version to 1.06
[05:07] <bob2> concept10: it's not the same as 1.0.6
[05:07] <bob2> concept10: it's 1.0.2 plus the security fixes from 1.0.6
[05:08] <concept10> bob2, Thanks for the insight.  One last question.  Why not use the Mozilla build?
[05:08] <bob2> because they break things in security fixes
[05:08] <warty_> hmm, okay...when I tried running fsck on hda I found out that that's actually where the live cd's filesystem loads...hd1 and hd2 both give me errors: the superblock could not be read or does not correctly describe an ext2 filesystem
[05:08] <bob2> e.g. firefox is all segfaulty atm
[05:09] <paladin2> Q: I've got encoding problems importing french files from windows to Ubuntu.  I want to delete windoze once and for all, but I can't for the love of this one problem! :)
[05:09] <bob2> warty_: you don't know which hard disk you installed ubuntu on?
[05:09] <warty_> does this mean the device is there and just not working, the hard drive is there and the filesystem is massively corrupt, or I have to find a different hard drive device to check
[05:09] <paul_> Thanks bob2, I'll have a look at it now.
[05:09] <bob2> warty_: it means you need to find out where your hard disk is
[05:10] <dug> what kernel will breezy use, cause i need 2.6.11 at least for SATA apparently
[05:10] <bob2> 2.6.12, it seems
[05:10] <dug> cool, thanks
[05:11] <jasoncohen> definitely 2.6.12
[05:11] <jasoncohen> it's one of the goals
[05:11] <illusionGFX[AFK] > Can anyone assist me ? I'm trying to figure out how to set my root user password... I didnt get that option during the install
[05:11] <DJester> So I've got a new laptop an I'm trying to install Hoary.  Unfortunatly It freezes after the reboot when it's saying "Setting up xserver-xorg (6.8.2-10) ... " Anyone have any ides?
[05:11] <warty_> I installed it on the only hard drive in the system...but the /dev folder is filled with a whold list of hd devices....should I just keep trying them all?
[05:11] <thoreauputic> !rootsudo
[05:11] <ubotu> it has been said that rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:11] <jasoncohen> illusionGFX[AFK] , there is no root user. you use sudo
[05:11] <thoreauputic> illusionGFX[AFK] : see ubotu's URL
[05:11] <bob2> illusionGFX[AFK] : the installer explained this during the install, too
[05:12] <thoreauputic> warty_: as I said, if you have only one hard drive it is almost certainly /dev/hda
[05:12] <illusionGFX[AFK] > ok thanks
[05:13] <epitron> hey guys
[05:13] <epitron> is there a placeholder package that i can install so i can build my own kernel without dependencies being unsatisfied?
[05:14] <warty_> fsck /dev/hda gives me an error that there's no fsck.iso9660, which means that the live cd's filesystem is in hda
[05:14] <tritium> warty_, what type of hard disk is it?
[05:15] <tritium> ide?  scsi?
[05:15] <joel__> fucker!
[05:15] <warty_> oh, scsi, I believe
[05:15] <regeya_> language.
[05:15] <regeya_> guh.
[05:15] <thoreauputic> warty_: ahah
[05:15] <mebaran151> tritium, wouldnt it have to be ide if it is a hd type drive
[05:15] <mebaran151> and not sd
[05:15] <regeya_> child.
[05:15] <thoreauputic> warty_: try /dev/sda
[05:15] <warty_> okay
[05:16] <tritium> mebaran151, if it were ide, yes, it would be /dev/hd?
[05:16] <warty_> thanks thoreauputic, that found something..
[05:17] <thoreauputic> warty_: thank tritium - he asked the right question :)
[05:17] <warty_> thank you too, tritium
[05:17] <tritium> of course :)
[05:18] <warty_> let's see, that gives: fsck.ext2: bad magic number in superblock while trying to open /dev/sda
[05:19] <warty_> I always knew fixing this computer would eventually get down to magic numbers that required sacrificing goats or virgins
[05:20] <hybrid> lol
[05:20] <tritium> warty_, definitely go with the goats
[05:20] <richard25killing> i went to codeweavers and downloaded the crossover office
[05:20] <thoreauputic> warty_: I think you need 'sudo fsck ' to access your disk (i would expect so anyway)
[05:20] <richard25killing> and it wont let me install it
[05:20] <bob2> richard25killing: surely it has instructions
[05:20] <richard25killing> nope
[05:20] <richard25killing> just one file
[05:20] <richard25killing> a .sh file
[05:20] <warty_> no, that was a sudo already...if I don't sudo it it won't let me even attempt
[05:21] <thoreauputic> warty_: right
[05:21] <richard25killing> so what should i do
[05:21] <DJester> Can Someone Help Me?  What would be the main reasons for a new install to freeze when it's setting up xserver-xorg?
[05:21] <skyhawker> I've decided to make a dual boot system, I have ubuntu on now, how would I go about installing XP
[05:21] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: try running ' sh filename.sh ' where filename is your script
[05:22] <richard25killing> in what
[05:22] <richard25killing> terminal
[05:22] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: yes - and in the directory you put the script
[05:23] <richard25killing> the script is on my desktop
[05:23] <richard25killing> right now
[05:23] <skyhawker> bob2, could you help me ^
[05:23] <richard25killing> where should it be
[05:23] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: then   cd ~/Desktop first
[05:23] <warty_> hmm...it does say that if the superblock can't be read but it is the correct device and file system type then either the superblock is corrupt, or I need to try running fsck with an alternate supreblock...
[05:24] <warty_> ah, okay, I found a list of the different backup superblocks
[05:24] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: or move the script to your home dir and run it from there if that's easier
[05:24] <warty_> time to try them...
[05:24] <richard25killing> wheres my home dir
[05:25] <richard25killing> im new ok
[05:25] <paladin2> Hi - still having those invalid encoding problems... :)
[05:25] <pbiegaj> hey all
[05:26] <richard25killing> bob2 this is what it says when i click on it
[05:26] <pbiegaj> I have a question, I have a compaq presario 2311us which just came out, and there's a wireless button on the keyboard
[05:26] <richard25killing> gedit was not able to automatically detect the character coding. Please, check that you are not trying to open a binary file and try again selecting a character coding in the 'Open File...' (or 'Open Location') dialog.
[05:26] <pbiegaj> which I've found turns the wireless ( internal mini pci ) card on and off hardware wise
[05:26] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: the default directory when you open a terminal is your home directory - type 'pwd' to print your current working directory in terminal
[05:26] <pbiegaj> where under /proc or /sys should I dig to set up a listener for that button press??
[05:26] <warty_> nope...okay, that confirms that the entire fs is just so massively corrupted it would go unnoticed in Nigeria...time to do a complete reinstall I guess
[05:26] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: ~ is shorthand for your home dir
[05:27] <warty_> unless anyone knows anything more powerful than fsck at savinf filesystems?
[05:27] <richard25killing> ok
[05:27] <tritium> warty_, try the goats
[05:27] <tritium> ;)
[05:27] <richard25killing> the file is in my home dir
[05:27] <richard25killing> and it says the same thing
[05:27] <richard25killing> it cant understand the character coding
[05:27] <paladin2> I've got virgins here, if you need them
[05:27] <paladin2> :)
[05:27] <warty_> female virgins, paladin2
[05:27] <richard25killing> so what do i do next
[05:28] <paladin2> I wasn't offering myself... ;)
[05:28] <warty_> thanks for the help guys, signing off to do a reinstall
[05:28] <richard25killing> ok i tried to do it on the terminal
[05:28] <tritium> good luck, warty_
[05:28] <benplaut> good luck
[05:28] <richard25killing> it says permission denied
[05:29] <richard25killing> so im stuck
[05:29] <thesilentkiller> where can i find the environmental variables?
[05:29] <richard25killing> and i really want that installed
[05:29] <richard25killing> so please help me
[05:29] <tritium> thesilentkiller, "env"
[05:29] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: surely there's some instructions for codeweaver ? I can't really help with non-ubuntu stuff : I suggest you look for info on how to install it on their website
[05:30] <thesilentkiller> tritium, i want to permanently add a variable to the list..how do i do that? is there a file where i can add or how does it work?
[05:30] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: for info about linux command line try reading up at http://tuxfiles.org
[05:30] <pbiegaj> anyone have any idea where I would scan for a button which turns on and off my wireless card on my laptop so that I can configure it properly?
[05:30] <skyhawker> how can I install xp onto another partition after installing ubuntu?
[05:30] <pbiegaj> I've been trying to search for it for a while now
[05:30] <tritium> thesilentkiller, use your ~/.bashrc to export them.  There should be examples in that file you can follow.
[05:30] <benplaut> pbiegaj: type "xev" in the terminal
[05:30] <thesilentkiller> tritium, okie thanx. i will check it out
[05:31] <pbiegaj> ben
[05:31] <benplaut> ?
[05:31] <pbiegaj> benplaut, what is xev?
[05:31] <benplaut> type it in the terminal... you'll see
[05:31] <tritium> nalioth, how are things?
[05:31] <pbiegaj> cool thanks
[05:32] <crimsun> pbiegaj: thinkpad?
[05:32] <La_PaRCa> excuse me, can anyone try and ssh into my machine
[05:32] <ubuntu> does anyone know how to mount your NTFS drives when using the live CD?
[05:32] <La_PaRCa> ip is 200.116.215.17
[05:32] <crimsun> ubuntu: sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/XXXX /mnt
[05:33] <ubuntu> thank you crimsun!  Also any way to write to NTFS or is that out of the question?
[05:33] <pbiegaj> wow!
[05:33] <pbiegaj> benplaut,
[05:33] <pbiegaj> benplaut,  that's an awesome utility
[05:33] <pbiegaj> benplaut, however it didn't yield anything regarding that particular button
[05:33] <jasmuz> La_PaRCa: under what user?
[05:33] <paladin2> LaParca - I can and it works
[05:33] <crimsun> pbiegaj: see above question
[05:34] <benplaut> then it's probably hardware based
[05:34] <nalioth> tritium: it's been ONE interesting day
[05:34] <La_PaRCa> jasmuz, just wanted to know if you could get a prompt
[05:34] <La_PaRCa> someone else was having touble
[05:34] <pbiegaj> benplaut, no it's a compaq presario v2311us
[05:34] <benplaut> try to turn it on or off while the computer is turning on... sometimes Gnome will cause problems
[05:34] <La_PaRCa> someone else was having trouble
[05:34] <richard25killing> i figured it out on my own
[05:34] <pbiegaj> benplaut, it has an internal mini pci broadcom card which I configured ifup/down to start it up
[05:34] <La_PaRCa> jasmuz, did you get a prompt?
[05:34] <richard25killing> thanks for the help bob
[05:35] <pbiegaj> but my goal is to fully configure this laptop so it works just as well with ubuntu as under xp
[05:35] <pbiegaj> and then post that for other people with this pc wanting to try linux
[05:35] <paladin2> invalid encoding, anyone? :)
[05:35] <pbiegaj> so I want to get this button thing down where it'll run a script to connect to certain networks that it can scan for
[05:35] <jasmuz> La_PaRCa: yes
[05:35] <pbiegaj> and the button turns the minipci hardware itself on and off
[05:35] <La_PaRCa> jasmuz, thanks a lot
[05:36] <crimsun> pbiegaj: then you need to check if anyone has written the apci code for your laptop.
[05:36] <xuniluser> HELP: how can i install japanese language support to my firefox browser?
[05:36] <Octane> anyone know if WINE works with amd64 yet
[05:36] <jasmuz> La_PaRCa:  tell them to ssh username@200.116.215.17
[05:36] <pbiegaj> crimsun, I doubt it since it's fairly new
[05:36] <pbiegaj> crimsun, but I guess I can be that guy then :)
[05:36] <benplaut> pb: good luck with a broadcom card... some things are bound to not work as well as in XP
[05:36] <La_PaRCa> jasmuz, it was a general connection error, so ill tell them its their router or something
[05:36] <pbiegaj> benplaut, well the card works fin
[05:36] <benplaut> oh
[05:37] <pbiegaj> it's just listening for that button press and bringing it up/down properly based off of that
[05:37] <jasmuz> La_PaRCa: ok, hermano
[05:37] <pbiegaj> finally found myself a cool proect to work on, and learned alot poking around /sys and /proc
[05:37] <pbiegaj> but I don't really know where to look right now, so I thought I'd bug you guys about it
[05:37] <ubuntu> Crimsun, when using sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/XXXX/mnt, XXXX is what, hda1 or hda0, right?
[05:38] <SG1> Ok, I just apt-got upgraded to breezy and not Xorg hates me. fixed font issue... anyone had that one?
[05:38] <jasmuz> ubuntu: sudo mount /dev/xxx /mnt/whateveryouwant
[05:38] <Doonz> hey guys im trying to use stream tuner
[05:38] <jasmuz> SG1: everyone has said to wait before it goes final
[05:39] <ubuntu> xxx is hda0 or hda1?
[05:39] <Doonz> but when i open up a stream xmms locks up
[05:39] <jasmuz> ubuntu: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/xxx /mnt/whateveryouwant
[05:39] <jasmuz> ubuntu: hda1
[05:39] <thoreauputic> Doonz: try changing the xmms output plugin to esound
[05:39] <crimsun> ubuntu: it won't be hda0, that's for sure.
[05:39] <ubuntu> thank you!
[05:39] <thoreauputic> Doonz: in options > preferences
[05:39] <appleav> hello all, i'm new to ubuntu
[05:40] <SG1> jasmuz: yeah Im sure its got breakage, just wondering if there was anyone who is a nutty as me ... and had already solved it.
[05:40] <appleav> is there any guide for me to get stareted
[05:40] <crimsun> appleav: see the topic
[05:40] <thoreauputic> Doonz: if you need to get rid of xmms to restart it, do ' pkill xmms ' in a terminal
[05:40] <belzebu> hello
[05:40] <jasmuz> appleav: used to be an unnoficial guide...but check out http://wiki.ubuntulinux.rog
[05:41] <Doonz> ok
[05:41] <Doonz> let me try
[05:42] <Doonz> i dont have that esound plugin
[05:42] <Doonz> :(
[05:42] <chibifs> Fwee. Matchbox is awesome. :D
[05:42] <thoreauputic> Doonz: sure you do
[05:42] <thoreauputic> Doonz: check the drop down for the output
[05:43] <appleav> thanks
[05:43] <Doonz> Perfect
[05:43] <Doonz> it was there
[05:43] <Doonz> woohoooo
[05:43] <Doonz> thnx
[05:43] <thoreauputic> Doonz: working now?
[05:43] <Doonz> yeah
[05:44] <thoreauputic> Doonz: :)
[05:44] <SG1> jasmuz: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-35143.html << bad people moving fonts around.. works now XD google is my friend as usual
[05:44] <osity> has anyone got raid 1 to work on ubuntu"?
[05:44] <Doonz> how does that record function work?
[05:45] <thoreauputic> Doonz: you need to install streamripper
[05:45] <mebaran151> osity, it aint so hard
[05:45] <Doonz> yeah did that
[05:45] <DekaPink> I'm baaa-aaack.
[05:45] <thoreauputic> Doonz: then you just click it
[05:45] <Doonz> what format will it record into?
[05:45] <osity> mebaran151: have you done it?
[05:45] <thoreauputic> Doonz: whatever the stream is
[05:45] <mebaran151> osity, matters
[05:45] <Doonz> oh
[05:45] <Doonz> kool
[05:45] <mebaran151> when are you trying to implement
[05:46] <mebaran151> have you installed
[05:46] <osity> mebaran151: absolutely it matters.
[05:46] <DekaPink> Nnnn... Can anyone help me with getting 3D games to like... spead up? xD Heh.
[05:46] <mebaran151> are you trying to convert pseudoRaid
[05:46] <osity> mebaran151: getting to the moon is easy
[05:46] <thoreauputic> Doonz: it will also put the tracks inot a directory for you
[05:46] <mebaran151> osity, what kind of raid setup are you trying to make
[05:46] <levander> How bad is ripping a CD with grip at 5x?
[05:46] <mebaran151> like the current situation
[05:46] <osity> rid 1
[05:46] <razerslut> how can i manually close an app that is not responding?
[05:46] <thoreauputic> Doonz: into, i mean...
[05:46] <mebaran151> Ubuntu has built in raid support in Kernel
[05:46] <osity> mebaran151: raid 1
[05:47] <osity> mebaran151: wont boot off that
[05:47] <mebaran151> osity, do you have that raid level now, or are you making it from scratch
[05:47] <DekaPink> razerslut: xkill
[05:47] <mebaran151> dont use mb raid
[05:47] <osity> i dont have it setup yet
[05:47] <mebaran151> are you trying to use on disk raid
[05:47] <osity> i have attempted a few dozen time
[05:47] <mebaran151> I mean onbaord raid
[05:47] <thoreauputic> razerslut: pkill <app name>
[05:47] <osity> mebaran151: i'm not using onboard raid
[05:47] <mebaran151> what raid are you using?
[05:48] <mebaran151> just plain old software aid
[05:48] <osity> mebaran151: i'm not using any
[05:48] <thoreauputic> razerslut: or killall <app name>
[05:48] <mowgli> anyone who can help me?
[05:48] <razerslut> alright
[05:48] <osity> i have a bunch of drives and an ubuntu cd
[05:48] <mebaran151> osity, what are you GOING to use
[05:48] <mebaran151> some hardware or software
[05:48] <razerslut> how can i get a list of apps running?
[05:48] <gigaclon> question?
[05:48] <appleav> any idea what's the root password?
[05:48] <mebaran151> (software as in the Kernel does what it needs to)
[05:48] <thoreauputic> razerslut: ps aux
[05:49] <gigaclon> applications -> System -> Monitor
[05:49] <thoreauputic> !root
[05:49] <ubotu> from memory, root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:49] <geneo91> sudo
[05:49] <osity> whatever is necessary to setup a raid 1 server with the hardware I have
[05:49] <osity> what is the easiest way?
[05:50] <osity> I would like to have the simplest most basic way (i.e replace the drive when one dies and away I go)
[05:50] <mowgli> ..well im all new to linux! totaly! and i just installed ubuntu.. now i wanted to install my gfx card driver.. but im not sure how to..
[05:50] <mebaran151> osity, software
[05:50] <mebaran151> but it sounds like you dont really need it
[05:50] <ubuntu> how do you mount a hd in ubuntu liveCD
[05:50] <mebaran151> I mean you lose half your disk space
[05:50] <osity> ya software raid 1
[05:50] <thoreauputic> !drivers
[05:50] <ubotu> it has been said that drivers is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowto
[05:50] <tritium> mowgli, congrats, first of all.  :)
[05:50] <thoreauputic> mowgli: look at ubotu's URl
[05:50] <gigaclon> mowgli you might not need too
[05:50] <DekaPink> I'm figuring that my ATI AIW Radeon 8500DV should really be performing better than it is. :3
[05:51] <osity> mebaran151: what do you mean you lose half
[05:51] <mebaran151> well
[05:51] <mebaran151> if I have two HardDisks
[05:51] <mebaran151> in RAid 1
[05:51] <mowgli> thanks :P i will!
[05:51] <mebaran151> one Hardisk has to mirror the other
[05:51] <mebaran151> so have a net loss of one half
[05:51] <osity> mebaran151: oh ..y a i nknow I dont care I have hard drives out the wazoooo
[05:51] <mebaran151> because I cant use that other harddisk
[05:51] <shincan> ada yang bisa bahasa indoensia ga
[05:51] <ubuntu> problem with windows media player working on ubuntu livecd
[05:51] <shincan> :(
[05:51] <osity> mebaran151: I got 200gb ...lots of em
[05:51] <ubuntu> it won't work?
[05:52] <mebaran151> well you know you have writing penalty
[05:52] <crimsun> ubuntu: ?
[05:52] <osity> hehe
[05:52] <DekaPink> Can someone help me? :3 Please? I've tried stuff from the wiki and I'm just... at a loss for what to do since nothing seems to help.
[05:52] <mebaran151> and the odds of in Linux having a TOTAL failure are usually pretty slim
[05:52] <ubuntu> I tried copying windows xp to hard drive and installing it but it doesn't work?
[05:52] <Dr_Fate> any idea when FF will be well again?
[05:52] <parabolize> DekaPink, ATI cards are not known to perform well in linux
[05:52] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: the "windows" part is a bit of a giveaway isn't it?
[05:52] <mebaran151> parabolize, it's a changing
[05:52] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: just downgrade to 5.3
[05:52] <DekaPink> parabolize: How nice for me. xD
[05:52] <osity> I need a walkthrough tomorrow.....
[05:52] <crimsun> (although 5.4 works fine here)
[05:52] <ubuntu> oh shit, I can't use windows software on linux?
[05:52] <osity> and im willig to pay for it
[05:53] <mebaran151> osity, the way you setup raid
[05:53] <gigaclon> ubuntu, it complicated
[05:53] <mebaran151> is in the installer
[05:53] <FlibidyFloo> hi. i'm installing ubuntu on a spare partition on an existing debian box.  i skipped installing grub because i already have it installed, and i'm trying to boot from the existing grub installation to continue the setup by hand-editing the grub command lines.  ubuntu is going on /dev/sda9.  here are the commands i'm entering for grub:
[05:53] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: not easily - there are a few ways for some things
[05:53] <razerslut> how can i play .m4a files in ubuntu?
[05:53] <crimsun> ubuntu: nor can you hook up a telephone into a toaster.
[05:53] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, 5.3? is there a Firefox 1.5.3?
[05:53] <mebaran151> razerslut, search synatpic for gstreamer-aac
[05:53] <osity> mebaran151: it wont boot ,......you would know this if you set it up
[05:53] <gigaclon> ubuntu, but most things you can do in windows you can do in linux
[05:53] <FlibidyFloo> root (hd0,8)kernel
[05:53] <FlibidyFloo> (hd0,8)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda9
[05:53] <FlibidyFloo> boot
[05:53] <razerslut> mebaran151: thank you
[05:53] <crimsun> razerslut: use faad, or gstreamer-faad, or libfaad with amarok/kaffeine
[05:53] <DekaPink> So there's nothing I can do, then? :3
[05:53] <razerslut> hmm
[05:54] <razerslut> well im using rhythm box to play music
[05:54] <FlibidyFloo> but the boot fails.  with "file not found"
[05:54] <FlibidyFloo> any ideas?
[05:54] <mebaran151> osity, osity it will boot
[05:54] <mebaran151> I did it
[05:54] <mebaran151> on my AMD64 system
[05:54] <osity> mebaran151:you would know this if you tried to set it up.....there are all kinds of error with missing devices
[05:54] <mebaran151> oh
[05:54] <ubuntu> no, I was just messin' around... I can't mount my hd though with "sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/hda1 /mnt/blahblah
[05:54] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: 5.3 is the package revision suffix
[05:54] <mebaran151> did you make a separate boot parition that you dont mirror
[05:54] <mebaran151> I just realized you must not have done that
[05:54] <mebaran151> I always do that
[05:54] <crimsun> ubuntu: did you mkdir /mnt/blahblah first?
[05:55] <osity> what do you mean ?
[05:55] <mebaran151> like at the start of the first harddisk
[05:55] <geneo91> crimsun:  i the new alsa driver in any hoary repositories
[05:55] <ubuntu> nope, didn't know i had to...
[05:55] <geneo91> is
[05:55] <mebaran151> dont mirror /boot (it isnt worth it)
[05:55] <crimsun> geneo91: hoary? no.
[05:55] <osity> ah ...
[05:55] <mebaran151> it takes a lot of setup to make that work
[05:55] <mebaran151> so then you reserve like 100 megs for /boot
[05:55] <mebaran151> make the rest / or divide it between your mnt points
[05:55] <razerslut> crimsun: i dont have either of those files in my synaptic manager
[05:56] <geneo91> k thx crimsun
[05:56] <osity> well I was thinking of having a smaller pata drive for the system and then having /home on the mirrored 200 gb drives
[05:56] <mebaran151> so for the first partition use ext3 for /boot
[05:56] <mebaran151> oh
[05:56] <mebaran151> that will work splendidly
[05:56] <mowgli> can i find a beginner's guide with the most used commands, somwhere on the web?
[05:56] <mebaran151> I dont know why you would need that
[05:56] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, synaptic does not seem to have kept any old FF's around? Is there a way to do it via apt-get or synaptic somehow?
[05:56] <crimsun> razerslut: you need an external repo, like one of the backports, or debian-marillat.
[05:56] <razerslut> i dont know what that means
[05:56] <razerslut> what is a backport
[05:57] <FlibidyFloo> if i'm installing on a system that already has grub installed on it, can i bypass installing ubuntu's grub ?
[05:57] <osity> I'll send you 25 bucks if you want to help me set it up tomorrow
[05:57] <ubuntu> thanks again, sorry for being retarded.
[05:57] <osity> :)
[05:57] <gigaclon> ubuntu, its not retarted
[05:57] <gigaclon> we all when thru the same thing when learning a new OS
[05:58] <crimsun> razerslut: see wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:58] <vader1102> ubuntu: it is no worse than some of the questions I have asked lol
[05:58] <osity> mebaran151: when I tried to mount /home on the bigger drive with did not want to boot without /home on the main drive
[05:59] <crimsun> FlibidyFloo: only if you want to add the Ubuntu entries manually. It's a good idea to let Ubuntu's installer update your existing GRUB config.
[06:00] <mrd`> Dr_Fate: Why do you want to downgrade firefox?
[06:00] <Dr_Fate> mrd`, look at the topic
[06:00] <crimsun> 5.3 gives people fewer problems, more than likely, mrd`
[06:00] <thor|away> mowgli: have a look at http://tuxfiles.org
[06:00] <Dr_Fate> mrd`, its broken
[06:00] <vader1102> tritium: wb lol
[06:00] <FlibidyFloo> crimsun, i bypassed the installation of grub, and now it's trying to boot for the first time.  but it can't seem to find the kernel - stops on  "kernel (hd0,8)/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda9"
[06:00] <tritium> vader1102, why thank you
[06:01] <Dr_Fate> I have to find a way to downgrde my packages now
[06:01] <Dr_Fate> synaptic seems to only show me the latest versions
[06:01] <mrd`> Probably because the archives only keep the latest version.
[06:02] <benplaut> Dr_Fate: i just gave you the answer int he other channel
[06:02] <crimsun> FlibidyFloo: does it give an error?
[06:02] <skyhawker> I've heard cedega id good for most games, is this true?
[06:02] <FlibidyFloo> crimsun, yes, File Not Found
[06:02] <skyhawker> id=is
[06:02] <ubuntu> one more question and I'll leave you all alone, any utils you can use to write to ntfs?
[06:03] <crimsun> FlibidyFloo: what isn't found?
[06:03] <chibifs> http://studiochibico.com/img/screens/ <3 Matchbox.
[06:03] <FlibidyFloo> crimsun, i used tab completion and it sees (hd0,8)/vmlinuz that way
[06:03] <benplaut> ubuntu: one, but setting it up is a pain, and you risk data corruption
[06:03] <vader1102> skyhawker: your fingers are like mine tonight, getting crossed lol
[06:03] <benplaut> it's not a good idea
[06:03] <FlibidyFloo> crimsun, i don't know - it doesn't say, it just shows that line and says "file not found"
[06:03] <skyhawker> vader1102, too true
[06:03] <crimsun> FlibidyFloo: was that the kernel line?
[06:03] <FlibidyFloo> crimsun, yes
[06:03] <vader1102> mine are like that regardless, day or night lol
[06:04] <crimsun> FlibidyFloo: did you press enter, then type boot and press enter?
[06:04] <Doonz> yay sucessfully made a back up of my computer
[06:04] <freddy> hrmm any good dvd player you guys know?
[06:04] <skyhawker> anyone know?
[06:04] <thechitowncubs> freddy: Totem
[06:04] <freddy> omg totem wont even play a file made IN it :(
[06:04] <FlibidyFloo> crimsun, i interrupted the boot in grub, edited the grub config lines and then pressed "b" to boot up with the config lines i entered
[06:04] <Doonz> sorry im just sooo happy thats ive finally got it all working
[06:04] <freddy> maybe you can help me figure out how to make it work fine thechitowncubs
[06:05] <freddy> do i need plugins or something?
[06:05] <FlibidyFloo> crimsun, they config lines i entered were:
[06:05] <FlibidyFloo> root (hd0,8)
[06:05] <FlibidyFloo> kernel (hd0,8)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda9
[06:05] <FlibidyFloo> boot
[06:05] <patrickj> ello again
[06:05] <illusionGFX> Can someone assist me in telling me how to set up my network adaptor for a static ip address?
[06:05] <FlibidyFloo> crimsun, sorry, that should be "sda" not "hda"
[06:06] <skyhawker> vader1102, are you waiting for the same info?
[06:06] <vader1102> nope... I just kick and watch the text, that's how I learn
[06:08] <illusionGFX> Can anyone answer my question?
[06:08] <geneo91> illusionGFX:  try sudo ifconfig eth0 xxx.xxx.x.xx
[06:08] <skyhawker> vader1102, fair enough, I'll be doing that a lot, as soon as I figure out how to get HL2 working...
[06:08] <Doonz> hey guys just wondering how important it is to install anti virus software on my machine?
[06:09] <HrdwrBoB> illusionGFX: system->administration-> networking
[06:09] <illusionGFX> thanks... but after I do that, how do I set the dns?
[06:09] <vader1102> skyhawker: I don't even know what that is lol
[06:09] <skyhawker> vader1102, Half-Life 2 ...
[06:09] <illusionGFX> HrdwrBoB I'm not in the gui, I'm on command line
[06:09] <vader1102> oh, ok lol
[06:09] <mebaran151> I wish that Finale ran in Linux
[06:09] <mebaran151> anybody know how to make this happen?
[06:09] <mebaran151> Will Crossover Office cut it?
[06:10] <vader1102> skyhawker: have you looked at the install or config file?
[06:10] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, attepmting to uninstall FF results in an attempt to uninstall the whole desktop
[06:10] <H00chster> Anybody familiar with /etc/init.d/libdevmapper1.0?  I am having probs mounting drives, saying they are already mounted or busy, did a search and found someone saying there was a prob with libdevmapper1.0 but not sure how he fixed it.
[06:10] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: don't uninstall it, just install the older version
[06:10] <crimsun> I have the 5.3 if you need it.
[06:10] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, the older version does not present itself to be installed
[06:10] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, I guess I need it
[06:11] <benplaut> Doonz: not important at all
[06:11] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: let me post it.
[06:11] <crimsun> FlibidyFloo: sec
[06:11] <benplaut> unless it's a server serving to Windows machines
[06:11] <skyhawker> vader1102, my problem is, I need wind0ws games...trying to get cedega to work is my problem, hm how would I be able to change CDs during an install if linux wont let me eject it if it's in use..
[06:11] <FlibidyFloo> crimsun, ok
[06:12] <vader1102> skyhawker: have you tried google, just out of curiosity
[06:12] <vader1102> that's where I get a lot of answers
[06:12] <mebaran151> I am thinking of leaving ubuntu, just for all the broken packages
[06:12] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: http://sh.nu/~crimsun/mozilla-firefox_1.0.2-0ubuntu5.3_i386.deb
[06:12] <mebaran151> arg AMD64
[06:12] <skyhawker> vader1102, yeah my favorite website of late...a bit new to linux you see... not too sure what too look for in this situation
[06:12] <mebaran151> no one does anything for you yet?
[06:13] <vader1102> I would type in the game you are looking for with ubuntu in there
[06:13] <skyhawker> mebaran151, I just changed back to the 32-bit version, I found 64-bit is not worth it yet
[06:13] <battlecat> hi does apache come native on the install disc?
[06:14] <skyhawker> vader1102, hm I'll try...
[06:14] <vader1102> let me know if it works please
[06:15] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, thanks a bunch
[06:15] <freddy> i wonder....mozilla wont let me see a video cause  i need media player plugin...do you guys know of any fix for this?
[06:15] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: np
[06:16] <crimsun> FlibidyFloo: you didn't enter the full filename
[06:17] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, it failed something about a broken pipe
[06:17] <vader1102> my eventual goal is to be able to diagnose Linux in general the way the opps and other people so in this channel
[06:18] <crimsun> FlibidyFloo: (hd0,8)/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386
[06:18] <crimsun> FlibidyFloo: for your default Hoary install
[06:18] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, trying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package firefox
[06:18] <Dr_Fate> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[06:18] <FlibidyFloo> crimsun, which one?  vmlinuz?  i think it's the full filename, because this is the first boot after starting setup - so it boots from the temporary kernel and continues setup from there...?
[06:19] <crimsun> FlibidyFloo: you need to enter the full name as I just demonstrated
[06:19] <FlibidyFloo> crimsun, but that's not even on the hard disk yet
[06:19] <mebaran151> skyhawker, but I paid cash!
[06:19] <FlibidyFloo> crimsun, this is the first boot that happens during the install
[06:19] <FlibidyFloo> crimsun, i haven't even selected packages yet or anything
[06:19] <crimsun> FlibidyFloo: you mean the first REboot?
[06:20] <FlibidyFloo> crimsun, right, the first boot after the install process is started
[06:20] <crimsun> FlibidyFloo: the kernel's present.
[06:20] <FlibidyFloo> crimsun, i
[06:20] <FlibidyFloo> i'll check again
[06:20] <FlibidyFloo> brb
[06:23] <FlibidyFloo> crimsun, yaay  :-)  i specified the existing /boot partition for the install so it was on hd0,0...  but it's booting.  thanks
[06:23] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, should I force the install?
[06:23] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: you may, but you may find it better to purge the existing one first
[06:24] <skyhawker> mebaran151, why on earth would you do that, I ordered it free off the net, they sent it to me in Australia
[06:24] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends mozilla-firefox && sudo dpkg -i mozilla-firefox_1.0.2-0ubuntu5.3_i386.deb
[06:24] <Marble2> is there an easy way to take screenshots in mplayer?
[06:25] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, that will keepp the purge from dismantling my desktop?
[06:25] <hybrid> Marble2: in or of mplayer?
[06:26] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: yes
[06:27] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, trying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package firefox
[06:27] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, its choking there
[06:27] <joevandyk> Is it best to use ESD for sound in Gnome?  When I do, games in wine and SDL don't seem to play any sound.
[06:28] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: erm, firefox? are you using Breezy?
[06:28] <mebaran151> skyhawker, I was joking
[06:28] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, negative
[06:28] <gigaclon> joevandyk, killall esd before you play
[06:28] <mebaran151> AMD64 is astounding at how fast it encodes
[06:28] <joevandyk> I want to use ALSA, but when I try to switch using Gnome's multimedia selector, it says "Failed to create test pipeline".  What kind of error message is that?  :(
[06:28] <mebaran151> 40 fps for MPEG
[06:28] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: Hoary has no 'firefox'
[06:28] <gigaclon> then esd & after
[06:28] <mebaran151> crimsun, it has no son!
[06:28] <joevandyk> gigaclon, isn't there a better way to do that?  And then I suppose I have to do a "sudo esd &" after I'm done, right?
[06:28] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, !!?
[06:29] <crimsun> ~$ apt-cache policy firefox
[06:29] <crimsun> W: Unable to locate package firefox
[06:29] <gigaclon> no esd & will suffice
[06:29] <gigaclon> joevandyk, you can all do killall esd, then esd -as 10 right after
[06:29] <richard25killing> hello
[06:29] <gigaclon> it tells esd to release the sound drivers after an idle period
[06:29] <richard25killing> bob
[06:30] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, you don't use backports period then huh?
[06:30] <richard25killing> i need some help again
[06:30] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: there's your issue.
[06:30] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: and no, I don't.
[06:30] <richard25killing> does anyone know where i can get a program that runs mac osx programs on here
[06:30] <learn25> hi
[06:30] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: you will need to -force-overwrite
[06:30] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, how do you play mp3s, dvds and such?
[06:30] <crimsun> --force-overwrite
[06:31] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: I use the packages, where necessary, from debian-marillat.
[06:31] <richard25killing> dr fate would you know
[06:31] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, argh I thought marilliat breaks Ubunut not backports....uhhhh
[06:31] <learn25> Help Please. I have downloaded and install PHP from ubuntuguide.org but when i test a php page its not working. it attempts to download my php file.
[06:31] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: if you are running linux on a ppc architecture mac-on-linux will do that
[06:31] <benplaut> rich: are you on a PPC?
[06:31] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: it sure can if you're not clueful
[06:32] <richard25killing> no
[06:32] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: same goes for backports
[06:32] <benplaut> then you can't
[06:32] <benplaut> with any speed, anyway
[06:32] <richard25killing> im not
[06:32] <richard25killing> is there a emulator that does this
[06:32] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, so dpkg  --force-overwrite?
[06:32] <crimsun> yep
[06:32] <richard25killing> i got crossover
[06:32] <richard25killing> for windows programs
[06:32] <joevandyk> gigaclon, is there anything in the works so that I don't have to do that every time?
[06:32] <richard25killing> but i also would like to run mac programs too
[06:33] <gigaclon> joevandyk, dunno i would like to know as well
[06:33] <hybrid> try vpc
[06:33] <benplaut> windows runs on x86, so the only the API's need to be emulated
[06:33] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: there's pearpc - but I don't think it's very mature and I believe it is tricky to set up
[06:33] <learn25> Help Please. I have downloaded and install PHP from ubuntuguide.org but when i test a php page its not working. it attempts to download my php file.
[06:33] <richard25killing> ok
[06:33] <richard25killing> anything elso
[06:33] <H00chster> anyone know what I can check if I can't mount a drive after compiling a kernel, the original kernel works fine, new kernel fails says it is busy.  /etc/fstab looks fine
[06:33] <benplaut> learn25: stop repeating yourself, and try asking in www.ubuntuforums.com as well
[06:34] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: you might be happier with something like vmware
[06:34] <richard25killing> ok
[06:34] <richard25killing> where do i get that
[06:34] <thoreauputic> *sigh*
[06:34] <richard25killing> im new
[06:34] <richard25killing> ok
[06:34] <vader_> wow!! that was a wicked ride lol, my router dropped the connection lol
[06:34] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: I would try google, personally
[06:34] <richard25killing> ok
[06:34] <learn25> just repeating coz someone might know the sol;ution and he may not read my msg earlier.
[06:35] <hybrid> VPC is a commercial prgram that does that richard25killing
[06:35] <vader_> <----may have to buy a new router sometime soon ;-(
[06:35] <Jet2k5> anybody here rocking an Albatron Mobo?
[06:36] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: you are really better off finding linux alternatives to the programs you like
[06:36] <joevandyk> So, when I try to play with Rhythmbox, it says "/dev/dsp already in use"
[06:36] <joevandyk> How do I find out what's using it?
[06:36] <joevandyk> And why can't more than one thing use it at a time? ;(
[06:37] <crimsun> joevandyk: are you using esound? And your hardware doesn't support pcm multiopen.
[06:38] <vader_> crimsun: sorry fpr s[elling your name wrong
[06:38] <vader_> for spelling
[06:38] <hybrid> roflol
[06:39] <hybrid> vader_: drinkin?
[06:39] <vader_> too tired, time for me to turn off the pc anf go to bed
[06:39] <joevandyk> crimsun, I am using crimsun.  I'm using nforce3 onboard sound... I thought it was supposed to be pretty good.
[06:39] <vader_> been up since 4 am
[06:39] <hybrid> lol its sooo hard
[06:39] <hybrid> wow
[06:39] <joevandyk> So why does it work fine in Windows, but not in Ubuntu Linux?
[06:39] <crimsun> joevandyk: err, using "esound" you mean?
[06:39] <Harold> Hello, goodnight
[06:39] <joevandyk> er, sorry.  :(  yeah
[06:39] <skyhawker> I found that with cedega, there's a -monitor-cdrom-eject command line switch which seems to work, but I'm stalled on CD no.3 for Half Life 2... I'm going to try installing something else.
[06:39] <joevandyk> crimsun, using esoudn
[06:40] <vader_> night all... shower then bed
[06:40] <crimsun> joevandyk: the nforce on-board sound chipset is quite good, but Nvidia has not given specs to Linux folks, so we're stuck using a more basic model
[06:40] <LED_scorched> i need help with a network card
[06:40] <hybrid> vader_: night
[06:40] <crimsun> joevandyk: complaints about not being able to use the soundstorm should be directed to them, not to Linux distros.
[06:41] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, that did not work at all
[06:41] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: what didn't?
[06:41] <freddy> xine any good for dvd playing?
[06:41] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, it installed, but no sign of it starting FF
[06:41] <Dr_Fate> freddy, yes
[06:41] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: so what does executing mozilla-firefox manually from a terminal do?
[06:42] <Dr_Fate> freddy, vlc is better
[06:42] <freddy> anything superior?
[06:42] <freddy> ah ok
[06:42] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, nothing
[06:42] <freddy> does vlc supports subtitles etc?
[06:42] <freddy> menu..etc
[06:42] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: purge all your extensions
[06:42] <visor> freddy: yes it does, and xine does it too
[06:42] <isai> when is ubuntuguide.org going to be back up?
[06:42] <LED_scorched> i have d-link network card that aint working.... any one got any ideas?
[06:42] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: erase ~/.mozilla, too, but back it up first
[06:42] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, ugh delete my ~./mozilla folder?
[06:42] <isai> mirrors?
[06:43] <freddy> i just built a dvd in director...and i have my video..and audio directories...now i have to figure out how to make a dvd iso...hrmm..dont know how
[06:43] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, dunno how to purge only the extension
[06:43] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: you don't have to delete it right off, you can just move it.
[06:43] <freddy> director is just throwing me the video and audio directories
[06:44] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, ~./mozilla is now clean
[06:44] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, still dead
[06:45] <Marble2> Can someone help me? I can't get totem-xine to detect my codecs at all, any type of file (except mpg) won't play
[06:45] <Marble2> it's so frustrating, and it's been like this for a while now
[06:45] <LED_scorched> i got a DEF-530TX+  DLink ethernet card that ubuntu won't recognize... and the supplied drivers are giving me a hassle
[06:45] <thoreauputic> isai: ubuntuguide loads fine here
[06:46] <richard25killing> hello
[06:46] <geneo91> LED_scorched:  i have that card and no problems here in fact two of them
[06:46] <LED_scorched> hmm
[06:46] <richard25killing> i need one more piece of advice
[06:46] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: execute sudo update-mozilla-firefox-chrome
[06:46] <LED_scorched> any thoughts then?
[06:46] <richard25killing> how do you log into here as a administrator
[06:46] <Marble2> anyone?
[06:46] <geneo91> LED_scorched:  have you set it up for dhcp
[06:46] <LED_scorched> what?
[06:47] <gigaclon> !root
[06:47] <ubotu> [root]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:47] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: generally it's a bad idea to run as admin ( root) - use sudo to run commands
[06:47] <richard25killing> do what
[06:47] <gregor_> hello all
[06:47] <richard25killing> i have to be root so i can install vmware
[06:47] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: read the URL ubotu posted
[06:47] <geneo91> LED_scorched:  what is it connected to
[06:48] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, ubuntu knows its installed as I have the update manager icon in red on the taskbar, but this damn thing won't start. I may just have to wait until a good offical relaease for ubuntu comes out?
[06:48] <isai> must be a dns problem...
[06:48] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: you run root commands by prepending "sudo" and giving your user password
[06:48] <LED_scorched> geneo91: what do you mean?
[06:48] <emppu2> i can't associate .wma file to beep-media-player because nautilus crashes everytime when i click "properties". how i can associate via console?
[06:48] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: did you update-mozilla-firefox-chrome?
[06:48] <geneo91> what nework device is it connected to
[06:49] <LED_scorched> geneo91: my router
[06:49] <freddy> mkisofs -dvd-video -udf -o dvd.iso dvd/ , does that looks correct?
[06:49] <geneo91> ok does it have dhcp or static ip addy
[06:49] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, yup
[06:50] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, no errors or anything
[06:50] <concept10> Firefox keeps crashing.  any suggestions?  it just started after an update
[06:50] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: ok, then you'll have to purge firefox again
[06:50] <Madpilot> evening, everyone
[06:50] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: mozilla-firefox, rather
[06:50] <LED_scorched> geneo91: dhcp
[06:50] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: this time, make sure you nuke /var/lib/mozilla-firefox, too
[06:50] <Marble2> Can someone help me? I can't get totem-xine to detect my codecs at all, any type of file (except mpg) won't play. it's so frustrating, and it's been like this for a while now
[06:50] <thoreauputic> concept10: see /topic
[06:50] <geneo91> ok then your card should work fine
[06:51] <LED_scorched> ok..
[06:51] <concept10> wtf
[06:51] <LED_scorched> so my issue is hardware, i'm guessing
[06:51] <joevandyk> crimsun, Ah, ok.  Thanks.  But I can complain about not having software mixing done correctly out of the box, right?  :)
[06:51] <concept10> can we go back?
[06:51] <gigaclon> whats the differenece between sudo and fakeroot
[06:51] <concept10> How can I downgrade?
[06:52] <geneo91> fakeroot is in your home dir
[06:52] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, purged and nuked
[06:52] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: now install 5.3 again
[06:52] <neighborlee> can someone elaborate on what instabiilities your seeing in colony cd2 ?
[06:52] <thoreauputic> concept10: see if you can find the previous version in /var/cache/apt/archives and install that with dpkg -i
[06:53] <hybrid> concept10: remove packages or dpkg old .debs
[06:53] <concept10> This really sucks... Everytime I hit the history button it crashes.
[06:53] <concept10> hybrid, huh?
[06:53] <joevandyk> Does acroread exist in 64 bit distribution?
[06:53] <crimsun> concept10: you probably still have 5.3 in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[06:53] <joevandyk> And what's the correct way to refer to running in 64 bit mode?
[06:53] <hybrid> concept10: you could remove packages or you could dpkg the debs
[06:54] <crimsun> concept10: if you don't, I've placed a deb online.
[06:55] <concept10> crimsun, where is your deb? I always clean my cache, maybe I should hold on to it
[06:55] <concept10> im looking at the wrong cache
[06:55] <crimsun> concept10: http://sh.nu/~crimsun/mozilla-firefox_1.0.2-0ubuntu5.3_i386.deb
[06:55] <HkS-3207> excuse me
[06:56] <HkS-3207> :)
[06:56] <concept10> crimsun, whats that 5.3?
[06:56] <joevandyk> crimsun, so, should I be using ESD for sound?  Why not ALSA or OSS?
[06:56] <HkS-3207> why was ubuntu developed so identical to windows ?
[06:56] <crimsun> concept10: look at the filename.
[06:56] <crimsun> joevandyk: you don't _have_ to use esd
[06:57] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, still no response, it installed without incident though
[06:57] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: make sure you don't have any mozilla-firefox processes running
[06:57] <richard25killing> ok im in sudo
[06:57] <joevandyk> crimsun, Alsa and OSS aren't working for me.  When I select them after killing esd, it says "failed to construct test pipeline"
[06:57] <Dr_Fate> ok
[06:57] <crimsun> joevandyk: cat /proc/asound/modules
[06:58] <richard25killing> i need to get permission to add files into my x11r6
[06:58] <richard25killing> folder
[06:58] <richard25killing> how do i do that
[06:58] <tim> does ubuntu come with a screenshot tool
[06:58] <gigaclon> yeah
[06:58] <joevandyk> joe@big:~$ cat /proc/asound/modules
[06:58] <joevandyk> 0 snd_intel8x0
[06:58] <HrdwrBoB> tim: yes
[06:58] <crimsun> tim: System> Take Screenshot
[06:58] <HrdwrBoB> tim: press print screen
[06:58] <tim> i'm in a different WM...what is the command?
[06:59] <HrdwrBoB> gnome-screenshot
[06:59] <tim> thanks :)
[06:59] <richard25killing> can anyone help me
[06:59] <joevandyk> Is four lines of output spamming?
[06:59] <richard25killing> please
[06:59] <Marble2> Can someone help me? I can't get totem-xine to detect my codecs at all, any type of file (except mpg) won't play. it's so frustrating, and it's been like this for a while now
[07:00] <richard25killing> i want to get permission to modify my folders
[07:00] <richard25killing> how do i get that in sudo
[07:00] <richard25killing> what do i type into terminal
[07:00] <richard25killing> for that
[07:00] <gregor_> so do I, I can't even create them.
[07:00] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: you are kind of jumping in at the deep end. And vmware isn't ubuntu so it's hard to get support for it here
[07:01] <richard25killing> i know how to install it
[07:01] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: you've also been advised to read about sudo
[07:01] <crimsun> joevandyk: what is gstreamer-properties> default audio sink set to?
[07:01] <thoreauputic> !rootsudo
[07:01] <ubotu> methinks rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:01] <richard25killing> i have
[07:01] <richard25killing> im in sudo now
[07:01] <orangerange> hello, I've been running kiax without a problem. (Kiax needs iaxclient to run.) But today, I tried to run kiax and it says, " IaxWrapper::iaxc_initialize() result = -1      Error message:cannot initialize iaxclient!"
[07:01] <orangerange> What should i do?
[07:01] <richard25killing> i just need to put this vmware_drv.o
[07:02] <concept10> crimsun, should i remove the other firefox?
[07:02] <richard25killing> file into my /usr/X11R6/lib/modules folder
[07:02] <richard25killing> but i wont let me
[07:02] <crimsun> concept10: ...from backports? absolutely
[07:02] <wizo> hey guys, im having trouble with my apache2
[07:02] <richard25killing> says i need permission to do that
[07:02] <orangerange> anybody here run kiax?
[07:02] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: use the cp command to copy files: prepend sudo to do it as root
[07:02] <richard25killing> ok
[07:03] <crimsun> drcode: did you remove the firefox package?
[07:03] <richard25killing> what do i type with cp
[07:03] <freddy> cafe del mar..
[07:03] <joevandyk> crimsun, it was ESD.  I tried changing it to ALSA, but when I clicked "Test", i got that helpful failed pipline error.
[07:03] <freddy> i lvoe it
[07:03] <crimsun> drcode: err, sorry
[07:03] <crimsun> Dr_Fate: did you remove the firefox package?
[07:03] <drcode> yes
[07:03] <drcode> and put newer
[07:03] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: cp filetocopy /destiantion/folder
[07:03] <thoreauputic> *destination
[07:03] <Harold> So what's the latest big Ubuntu news?
[07:03] <orangerange> if you use KIAX, please say Hello.
[07:03] <adapter> hey I was wondering if someone could help me get totem movie player working?
[07:04] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, not yet, busy ATM brb
[07:04] <adapter> I tried playing an mpeg and it said plugins were needed for the codec, but I couldn't find the plugins anywhere
[07:04] <wizo> when i try and open the apache2 folder in my /var/log i get the error: Address already in use: make_sock: could nto bind to address
[07:04] <orangerange> or even if you don't use kiax, but you're a smart person and know how to fix errors, please say Hello.
[07:04] <nalioth> Harold: my two ibooks suffered heatstoke today
[07:04] <freddy> i hate mplayer...but it plays almost everything =/ i would like to use totem instead :(
[07:04] <Computer__Guru> hai, fsckers
[07:04] <Harold> nalioth, No...what do you mean?
[07:04] <freddy> nalioth, what exactly you mean by heatstoke? sorry my english sucks :)
[07:04] <thoreauputic> freddy: totem xine is pretty good
[07:04] <dabaR> Hello, whats going on?
[07:05] <rata> freddy, mplayer rules! :-P... but use xine instead of totem (i think)
[07:05] <thoreauputic> freddy: totem-xine sorry
[07:05] <Harold> dabaR, What's up, dabaR?
[07:05] <nalioth> Harold: got a little hot in here, and the ibooks went down
[07:05] <crimsun> joevandyk: lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[07:05] <dabaR> hey hey.
[07:05] <freddy> totem-xine? whats that...a mix ?
[07:05] <Harold> nalioth, You are kidding...both?  Are they okay?  What exactly happened?
[07:05] <bluefoxicy> I need a serious calander app
[07:05] <bluefoxicy> to schedule shit out.
[07:05] <Computer__Guru> hrmm
[07:05] <Marble2> Can someone help me? I can't get totem-xine to detect my codecs at all, any type of file (except mpg) won't play. it's so frustrating, and it's been like this for a while now
[07:05] <Computer__Guru> i think im gonna switch back to x-chat
[07:05] <nalioth> Harold: heat kills
[07:05] <Computer__Guru> brb
[07:05] <wizo> anyone had problems with apache 2?
[07:05] <bob2> wizo: best to just ask your question
[07:06] <dabaR> wizo: haha. Im sure someone had problems with apache 2.
[07:06] <thoreauputic> freddy: totem is just the front end - the default totem is totem-gstreamer in ubuntu
[07:06] <Harold> nalioth, Yes it does...are you having a heat stroke in Houston?
[07:06] <bob2> Marble2: detct your doces? did you follow wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?
[07:06] <Harold> nalioth, Ooops.  I meant, are you having a heat wave in Houston?
[07:06] <joevandyk> crimsun, that command returns nothing
[07:07] <joevandyk> crimsun, that's a sweet command though.. i never heard of it before
[07:07] <freddy> when i had my ibook..it broke the glass on the table...because of the heat
[07:07] <Marble2> bob2: yes
[07:07] <dabaR> Marble2: ya, that page will tell you some stuff. If you are refering to wmvs not playing, you need w32codecs from backports.
[07:07] <freddy> i sold it after that...well...i as made to
[07:07] <freddy> hehe
[07:07] <freddy> s/as/was
[07:07] <Marble2> dabaR: NOTHING except mpg plays
[07:07] <Marble2> I have w32codecs installed
[07:07] <wizo> well, i did ask, when i type in sudo apache2ctl -k start it says httpd is already running, but then when i asked my friend to check if he could access the site, he cant
[07:07] <crimsun> joevandyk: ok, now open a terminal and try aplay -Dplughw:0,0 /usr/share/sounds/startup.wav
[07:07] <Marble2> it just won't recognize the files in the w32codecs package I guess
[07:08] <Marble2> and I can't figure it out
[07:08] <dabaR> Marble2: type in sudo aptitude search w32codecs and tell me if there are two ii beside it.
[07:08] <bob2> wizo: don't use apache2ctl
[07:08] <richard25killing> ok it keeps saying missing destination file
[07:08] <richard25killing> what does that mean
[07:08] <wizo> wad do u use then
[07:08] <joevandyk> crimsun, ooh, beautiful sound.
[07:08] <dabaR> hehe
[07:08] <bob2> wizo: sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 start
[07:08] <richard25killing> what go in that spot
[07:08] <bob2> and stop
[07:08] <Marble2> dabaR: one i
[07:09] <dabaR> bob2: is that ok, one i?
[07:09] <dabaR> if its installed.
[07:09] <wizo> ok now that i have started, how can i be sure it works?
[07:09] <dabaR> well, do you know your IP?
[07:09] <wizo> yup
[07:09] <bob2> wizo: go to http://localhost/ in your web browser
[07:09] <dabaR> type it into a browser then.
[07:10] <adapter> hmm so if someone could get back to me on getting video to play in totem I'd greatly appreciate it :)
[07:10] <bob2> dabaR: seems so
[07:10] <bob2> just don't use totem then
[07:10] <bluefoxicy> hmm
[07:10] <bob2> install gxine
[07:10] <LED_scorched> geneo91: um... can you help me config my card
[07:10] <wizo> bob2: that works, i see the page generated by apache2, however my friend cant seem to view the page
[07:10] <IceDC571> does anyone here have an nforce board?
[07:10] <Marble2> adapter: hehe, that's what I'm trying to figure out right now
[07:10] <dabaR> Oh, I have one too.
[07:10] <LED_scorched> ... i got it recognized now
[07:10] <bluefoxicy> does anyone know if I can make some sort of template in evolution so I can drop in weekly or daily tasks at appropriate time?
[07:10] <adapter> ok I'll try gxine
[07:10] <Marble2> dabaR: soo, any ideas?
[07:10] <bob2> wizo: then get your network admin to configure the firewall correctly
[07:10] <bluefoxicy> where a task is X time long and described in a certain way, and I click the starting point?
[07:11] <joevandyk> crimsun, I'm seeing references on the forum for libesd-alsa, but it's not showing up in synaptic.  You know if it's 32 bit only?
[07:11] <wizo> errr, im now at home trying to set apache2 up
[07:11] <bluefoxicy> also can evolution minimize to the system tray and alert me at task time?
[07:11] <Computer__Guru> nifty
[07:11] <bob2> wizo: and presumably your friend is elsewhere?
[07:11] <Computer__Guru> maybe ill stick with xchat for a while :D
[07:11] <dabaR> no idea, works here.
[07:11] <bob2> wizo: and you're behind a "router"?
[07:11] <wizo> yes, he is at his place
[07:11] <LED_scorched> i need help configuring a ethernet card
[07:11] <wizo> yeh, i port forwarded my router
[07:11] <wizo> port 80
[07:11] <patrickj> ello
[07:11] <bob2> apparently it's not correctly configured
[07:11] <crimsun> joevandyk: it's not just 32-bit only, no
[07:11] <patrickj> I have a problem
[07:12] <bob2> what is your ip address at home?
[07:12] <dabaR> wizo I trold you to use the IP.
[07:12] <dabaR> for that exact reason.
[07:12] <adapter> is gxine not in the package manager?
[07:12] <dabaR> but maybe it makes no diff.
[07:12] <patrickj> I just installed the multimedia codecs, and i tried to play my music in XMMS, and it just froze up, what do I do?
[07:12] <bob2> adapter: it is indeed
[07:12] <adapter> hmm don't see it
[07:12] <richard25killing> ok
[07:12] <dabaR> patrickj: right click on xmms, select properties or preferennces
[07:12] <richard25killing> you have to really help me
[07:12] <bob2> adapter: it's in the universe section of ubuntu
[07:12] <wizo> well, i do use my ip
[07:12] <patrickj> ok then?
[07:13] <joevandyk> crimsun, backport only?
[07:13] <chris> same here patrikj   on a nforceboard ; P
[07:13] <bob2> wizo: if your ip is the one you're IRC'ing from, it appears your ISP is blocking incoming port 80
[07:13] <dabaR> Then change the default output plugin to esound esd
[07:13] <wizo> really?
[07:13] <dabaR> I doubt it.
[07:13] <dabaR> so you type in your IP and it comes up with the page?
[07:13] <patrickj> eSound Output Plugin?
[07:13] <wizo> hang on
[07:13] <dabaR> ya
[07:13] <IceDC571> so everyone here isnt using an nforce chipset?
[07:13] <wizo> no i get to my router page asking for user name and password
[07:14] <dabaR> ha
[07:14] <wizo> if i use http://my ip here
[07:14] <dabaR> what IP did you type in?
[07:14] <cyphase> can someone explain to me why firefox is still on version 1.0.2?
[07:14] <dabaR> 192.168 something?
[07:14] <chris> im new to linux so
[07:14] <wizo> no
[07:14] <bob2> your isp is messed up
[07:14] <IceDC571> cyphase: its really version 1.0.4
[07:14] <wizo> 203.122.xxx.xxx
[07:14] <bob2> cyphase: in hoary? because hoary is stable, and thus doesn't get random new versions of software
[07:14] <Burgundavia> cyphase, the .6 security stuff has been backported
[07:14] <dabaR> wizo, why so protective?
[07:14] <cyphase> but it's causing problems
[07:14] <patrickj> my music wont play now it just skims through my playlist and doesnt play :S
[07:14] <bob2> cyphase: it of course has the security fixes from 1.0.6 backported to 1.0.2
[07:14] <wizo> 203.122.112.153
[07:14] <wizo> :p
[07:15] <joevandyk> crimsun, should I try installing the nvidia audio drivers?
[07:15] <wizo> i got that ip from http://checkip.dyndns.org/
[07:15] <Burgundavia> cyphase, the latest issues also exist with 1.0.6
[07:15] <thoreauputic> wizo: anyone here can easily get your IP by the way
[07:15] <wizo> true
[07:15] <cyphase> like the inability to open a sidebar?
[07:15] <joevandyk> crimsun, (i just read a post saying that it worked for someone.. i don't even know if they exist)
[07:15] <Burgundavia> cyphase, yes
[07:15] <cyphase> or firefoc crashing when you try to close the current tab?
[07:15] <cyphase> ok then
[07:15] <patrickj> its like its reading every song as 0.000001 secons
[07:15] <richard25killing> i put cp
[07:15] <cyphase> lol
[07:15] <bob2> cyphase: 1.0.5 had some problems, which made it into the 1.0.2 security-fixed version
[07:15] <bob2> cyphase: it will be fixed soon
[07:15] <RQ> hi
[07:15] <richard25killing> and the stuff after and it wont do anything
[07:16] <dabaR> patrickj: you sure the drive is mounted?
[07:16] <bob2> wizo: your isp is weird
[07:16] <wizo> ohhh
[07:16] <richard25killing> what does missing destination file mean
[07:16] <wizo> how come?
[07:16] <LED_scorched> i need help configuring a network card
[07:16] <dabaR> bob2: how do you know, do you know who his ISP is?
[07:16] <lexhider> bookmarks not working for hoary firefox, is this the security-patch issue or different issue?
[07:16] <bluefoxicy> that's right, evolution is unstable.
[07:16] <bob2> dabaR: /whois wizo
[07:16] <patrickj> wut drive?
[07:16] <patrickj> its all from my window partition, and yes its mounted
[07:16] <wizo> uh huh
[07:16] <bob2> traceroute goes nuts trying to reach you
[07:16] <freddy> if i do this...lets say...cp -rf directory/ /home/freddy/newlocation    is there a flag that i can add in order to print what is it copying at the moment?
[07:16] <Computer__Guru> okay, have to restart xchat to save settings, brb
[07:17] <thoreauputic> richard25killing: I suggest you read some basic stuff about the linux command line at http://tuxfiles.org (it's there for beginners)
[07:17] <bob2> freddy: -v
[07:17] <wizo> hmmm
[07:17] <dabaR> bob2: so, you sure it is as you say? maybe his port forwarding is not done right.
[07:17] <crimsun> joevandyk: no.
[07:17] <geneo91>  /whois wizo
[07:17] <crimsun> it's better to do it this way:
[07:17] <freddy> so cp -rfv ?
[07:17] <patrickj> when I only have one song it seems to work gine...........
[07:17] <IceDC571> so i guess ill move back to windows just to get my agp drivers to work :(
[07:17] <crimsun> joevandyk: System> Preferences> Sound: make sure Enable sound server startup is _unchecked_
[07:18] <dabaR> patrickj: never heard of that issue, except when I tried playing songs from a non-mounted drive.
[07:18] <patrickj> but when I open my m3u playlist it just skims right through em all like they're half a nanosecond long...
[07:18] <adapter> bah none of these mirrors for gxine work
[07:18] <dabaR> why a m3u playlist, just drag them in there, or something, try if that works.
[07:18] <bob2> dabaR: no, I'm not sure, but I can't traceroute to him/her at all
[07:18] <Computer__Guru> okay, im back
[07:18] <bob2> adapter: sure they do
[07:18] <dabaR> I can ping that IP.
[07:18] <wizo> him
[07:18] <bob2> adapter: it's on the main ubuntu mirror, archive.ubuntu.com
[07:18] <bob2> dabaR: yes, me too
[07:18] <wizo> -sigh-
[07:18] <dabaR> wizo: double check the router is forwarding.
[07:19] <joevandyk> crimsun, it's unchecked now.
[07:19] <adapter> I know that
[07:19] <bob2> interesting
[07:19] <joevandyk> but i haven't restarted X since
[07:19] <dabaR> haha
[07:19] <crimsun> joevandyk: then go to System> Preferences> Multimedia Systems Selector> Default Sink> Output> Custom; Pipeline> alsasink device=plughw:0,0
[07:19] <adapter> but trying to actually download the file it won't load
[07:19] <wizo> hwo do i double check that my router is forwarding?
[07:19] <bob2> wizo: it does appear to be a port-forwarding problem
[07:19] <thoreauputic> adapter: sudo apt-get update
[07:19] <arbir> helo
[07:19] <IceDC571> does ubuntu have default config files in /boot ?
[07:19] <dabaR> wizo, log into its web interface.
[07:19] <IceDC571> .config files *
[07:19] <thoreauputic> adapter: or reload synaptic
[07:19] <hks3207> sorry
[07:19] <wizo> yeh
[07:19] <hks3207> i had a question
[07:19] <chris> hey guys there are sevral of us in here havin troubls with xmms freezing
[07:20] <dabaR> wizo what brand and model of router? I may be able to get some tutorials on google.
[07:20] <chris> any input ?
[07:20] <wizo> billion brand
[07:20] <crimsun> chris: are you using the esound output plugin?
[07:20] <dabaR> chris: I told you, right click on it.
[07:20] <wizo> but im pretty sure i prt forwarded
[07:20] <thoreauputic> chris: set the output plugin to esound
[07:20] <freddy> i dont know how i solved the xmms problem...but it works perfect now
[07:20] <freddy> sorry :(
[07:20] <chris> k ill try thanks all
[07:20] <hks3207> Why was ubuntu designed so user friendly that it made it look like windows ?
[07:20] <dabaR> Then choose properties, and output plugin. Set it to Esound esd
[07:20] <chris> thanks
[07:20] <wizo> lemme check my internal ip address
[07:20] <hks3207> Why was ubuntu designed so user friendly that it made it look like windows ?
[07:20] <hks3207> Why was ubuntu designed so user friendly that it made it look like windows ?
[07:20] <dabaR> welcome.
[07:20] <bob2> hks3207: it wasn't designed to look like windows
[07:21] <arbir> Hi.. can anybody help me to get my serial mouse working ?
[07:21] <HrdwrBoB> hks3207: please, if you want to troll don't
[07:21] <dabaR> wizo your router is likely 192.168.0.1 try that in a browser.
[07:21] <hks3207> it does bob2
[07:21] <HrdwrBoB> and if you're not, ask once
[07:21] <Computer__Guru> ubuntu doesn't look anything like windows
[07:21] <freddy> hks3207, its not like windows at all...wtf
[07:21] <hks3207> troll
[07:21] <dabaR> hks3207: why not?
[07:21] <wizo> its 192.168.1.254
[07:21] <HrdwrBoB> hks3207: if by 'looks like windows' you mean 'has windows and a GUI file manager'
[07:21] <thoreauputic> HkS-3207: don't repeat, please. And I don't agree with the premise of the question anyway
[07:21] <hks3207> whats that
[07:21] <bluefoxicy> I can make ubuntu look like windows
[07:21] <Nocturno> hmmm
[07:21] <bob2> hks3207: well, you're welcome to your opinion
[07:21] <bluefoxicy> by modifying the panel layout in gnome :P
[07:21] <hks3207> yah but i mean
[07:21] <dabaR> wizo: for the computer, or the router?
[07:21] <hks3207> its good do
[07:21] <bluefoxicy> and setting a different theme
[07:21] <wizo> router
[07:21] <dabaR> ok, put that in a web browser, and log in.
[07:21] <hks3207> cuz its easy but i though that windows was designed as a rival of windows or sumthing like that
[07:22] <freddy> damn...is there a lack of xmms skins around the net or what?
[07:22] <dabaR> ya, windows is a rival of windows for sure. Agreed.
[07:22] <Nocturno> im an new use too for this OS ( ... :p)
[07:22] <bob2> hks3207: no, it wasn't
[07:22] <crimsun> joevandyk: what does Test do now?
[07:22] <bluefoxicy> hks3207:  nothing is designed to rival anything in the open source community
[07:22] <wizo> anyway,  inet addr:192.168.1.102 <== i got that from running ifconfig and i put that address in the portforwarding section in my router
[07:22] <arbir> my serial mouse wont work.. i see the mouse pointer.... on the screen
[07:22] <bob2> freddy: there's thousands, all of which look almost identical
[07:22] <hks3207> bluefoxicy yeah, right ....
[07:22] <freddy> bob2, lol
[07:22] <dabaR> wizo: very goodf.
[07:22] <bluefoxicy> hks3207:  Although generally a lot of us want to see various crap unseated, we basically have a ton of shit floating around that's designed to be the best it can be
[07:22] <joevandyk> crimsun, "Failed to create test pipeline"
[07:22] <dabaR> Set the internal IP address of the cmputer to be that statically.
[07:22] <arbir> i edited my xorg.conf file.. but i cant make much of it
[07:22] <freddy> bob2, thats why ill just keep the default one ;)
[07:23] <dabaR> wizo: you did not fix it yet, tho,...
[07:23] <Nocturno> anny way  if ur mouse doesnt recognige u u can download maybe (?)
[07:23] <Marble2> Can someone help me? I can't get totem-xine to detect my codecs at all, any type of file (except mpg) won't play. it's so frustrating, and it's been like this for a while now
[07:23] <crimsun> joevandyk: hmm, did you choose the Custom sink?
[07:23] <bob2> arbir: so, restore your backup of that file again
[07:23] <bob2> arbir: and don't edit it manually
[07:23] <wizo> i didnt?!, i logged out and logged to amke sure the change was applied, and it was
[07:23] <bob2> arbir: then run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and choose /dev/ttyS0 as your mouse device
[07:23] <wizo> but i juz cant figure out y it issint working
[07:23] <arbir> hold on bob2
[07:23] <patrickj> weird, I just had to add every file manually and make a new PLS list :d
[07:23] <LED_scorched> ethernet troubles here
[07:23] <dabaR> what port are you forwardif to that computer?
[07:24] <arbir> let me try what you just said bob2
[07:24] <patrickj> prolly cuz my old list was made in winamp
[07:24] <dabaR> patrickj: and that works, right? I had issues with m3us.
[07:24] <joevandyk> crimsun, yes.
[07:24] <wizo> port 80
[07:24] <freddy> i love -rfv
[07:24] <freddy> prints everything
[07:24] <crimsun> joevandyk: and what do you have for Pipeline?
[07:24] <patrickj> yes it works
[07:24] <freddy> yay!
[07:24] <patrickj> lol for some weird reason
[07:24] <freddy> thanks bob2
[07:24] <patrickj> 30+ hours of music :p
[07:24] <patrickj> for the hard webdesign in mind
[07:24] <wizo> coz i didnt mess with the config file, so i presume the default is port 80 and thats wad they say in the apache documentation as well
[07:24] <arbir> bob2 can i do this from a remote ssh prompt ?
[07:24] <joevandyk> alsasink device=plughw:0,0
[07:24] <thoreauputic> wizo: lots of ISPs block port 80 (a policy to stop people running servers)
[07:25] <joevandyk> crimsun, alsasink device=plughw:0,0
[07:25] <patrickj> where can I get XMMS skins?
[07:25] <LED_scorched> i got my card installed and recognized now... but i need to configure it now...
[07:25] <chris> thats awsome !  worked like a charm
[07:25] <arbir> my Ubuntu machine is down below int the basement
[07:25] <bob2> arbir: of course
[07:25] <arbir> ok thanks bob2 let me try
[07:25] <dabaR> wizo: make sure you have the port forwarded again:)
[07:25] <bob2> patrickj: www.xmms.org
[07:25] <wizo> thoreauputic: =(
[07:25] <joevandyk> crimsun, and lsof /dev/snd/* reports that gstreamer is using stuff in /dev/snd now
[07:25] <privoligist> is there a way to hide my ip on irc?
[07:25] <freddy> the only thing i dont have working is my tv card.....ive tried for days nadda :(
[07:25] <thoreauputic> privoligist: what for/
[07:25] <bob2> privoligist: not in general
[07:25] <wizo> dabar: how do i make sure of that? i logged in and out many times noe and its still the same
[07:25] <crimsun> joevandyk: grep playback /proc/asound/devices
[07:25] <bob2> privoligist: freenode lets you get a cloak, though. /msg nickserv help
[07:25] <dabaR> that is the way you do it.
[07:25] <freddy> but there is NO way im getting back to windows...lol.....no tv for freddy
[07:25] <dabaR> hm...
[07:26] <joevandyk> joe@big:~$ grep playback /proc/asound/devices
[07:26] <joevandyk>  18: [0- 2] : digital audio playback
[07:26] <joevandyk>  16: [0- 0] : digital audio playback
[07:26] <dabaR> freddy when you check your email, and that do you use the TV  card?
[07:26] <privoligist> thoreauputic: Just dont like the idea of my ip out there like that
[07:26] <dabaR> If not, use Linux when you dont need the card, use windows when you need the card.
[07:26] <patrickj> can Gaim handle using a webcam
[07:26] <patrickj> ?
[07:26] <adapter> arr I still can't get anything to work
[07:27] <adapter> not that I know of patrickj
[07:27] <arbir> bob2 its asking me lots of question about my monitor, display card etc
[07:27] <richard25killing> man i not getting any of this
[07:27] <dabaR> wizo: firewall on the computer?
[07:27] <patrickj> crap because I have a webcam and using it is a big thing lol
[07:27] <arbir> i dont know the answers to all those question.. cant i make it autodetect?
[07:27] <bob2> arbir: just accept the defaults
[07:27] <richard25killing> you are gonna have to tell me what to do
[07:27] <dabaR> richard25killing: whats the issue?
[07:27] <freddy> dabaR, hells no...windows...i lost all my data of 3 years....because of that os...there is no way im getting back...i swear to god i prefer not to watch tv...or buy a real tv.
[07:27] <arbir> ok bob2 let me do that
[07:27] <richard25killing> i can move a file
[07:27] <LED_scorched> tv sucks
[07:27] <richard25killing> cant move a file
[07:27] <joevandyk> crimsun, am I better off buying a supported sound card?
[07:27] <crimsun> joevandyk: what try plughw:0,2
[07:27] <crimsun> s/what//g
[07:27] <richard25killing> from my desktop to a drivers folder
[07:27] <dabaR> which file, where is it, where do you want it to be, and why are you moving it.
[07:28] <wizo> but hey, if they block port 80, i can change my ports cant i?
[07:28] <richard25killing> vmware_drv.o
[07:28] <dabaR> absolute paths, complate filenames, please.
[07:28] <wizo> to like port 79 or something
[07:28] <joevandyk> crimsun, alsasink device=plughw:0,2 gives me the same error.
[07:28] <patrickj> how Do i install themes?
[07:28] <richard25killing> to my /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers folder
[07:28] <dabaR> wizo: I would doubt that an ISP blocks ports.
[07:28] <arbir> bob i hit esc by mistake to skip options.. what will happen now ?
[07:28] <bob2> wizo: sure, as long as your friend knows to access http://yourip:79/
[07:28] <dabaR> YOu are in China, eh?
[07:28] <richard25killing> to run mac programs
[07:28] <freddy> s/what//g   <---how to fix this typo lol s/s/what//g/s/what/g    hehe ...weird
[07:28] <bob2> arbir: I don't know
[07:28] <thoreauputic> dabaR: they do it all the time
[07:28] <wizo> im in melbourne
[07:28] <arbir> oh man
[07:28] <arbir> let me try again :-)
[07:29] <richard25killing> im in sudo
[07:29] <crimsun> joevandyk: how about plughw:0 ?
[07:29] <patrickj> or where the skins directory?
[07:29] <LED_scorched> ?
[07:29] <bob2> patrickj: ~/.xmms/Skins/
[07:29] <arbir> i appreciate your patience bob..
[07:29] <richard25killing> but i can figure out what to type
[07:29] <thoreauputic> dabaR: it's common for ISPs to block port 25 and port 80
[07:29] <wizo> dabaR: some of my friends in other countries say their ISP block port 80
[07:29] <Dr_Fate> crimsun, nope, mozilla-firefox still does not show any signs of starting
[07:29] <spasmodo> Help please!  I hosed my permissions in all of /var directory
[07:29] <richard25killing> and ive looked at the tutorials on this
[07:29] <freddy> block 80? jesus..
[07:29] <joevandyk> crimsun, no change.
[07:29] <wizo> thoreauputic: so i guess i could use port 79
[07:29] <richard25killing> so someone please help me
[07:29] <spasmodo> can someone tell me what the defaults are?
[07:29] <dabaR> sudo mv ~/vmware_drv.o /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers
[07:29] <bob2> spasmodo: how?
[07:29] <dabaR> or rather.
[07:30] <wizo> i`ll brb
[07:30] <thoreauputic> wizo: you can use any port you configure, I guess
[07:30] <patrickj> ok so I copy the maXMMS directory to ~/.xmms/Skins?
[07:30] <crimsun> joevandyk: I guess then you should use esound
[07:30] <dabaR> sudo mv ~/Desktop/vmware_drv.o /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers
[07:30] <spasmodo> chown -R www-data:www-data *
[07:30] <crimsun> joevandyk: make sure you check the Enable sound server startup
[07:30] <spasmodo> so really ownership
[07:30] <bob2> that's pretty hard to recover
[07:30] <bob2> assuming you don't have backups
[07:30] <spasmodo> yoinks!
[07:31] <joevandyk> crimsun, Ok.  Thanks for your help.
[07:31] <LED_scorched> can anyone help me set up my ethernet card?
[07:31] <joevandyk> crimsun, Are the nvidia drivers bad?
[07:31] <dabaR> an ethernet card?
[07:31] <dabaR> does it not work?
[07:31] <Marble2> Can someone help me? I can't get totem-xine to detect my codecs at all, any type of file (except mpg) won't play. it's so frustrating, and it's been like this for a while now
[07:31] <dabaR> Is it shown in System>Admin>Network?
[07:31] <richard25killing> dont work
[07:31] <LED_scorched> i got it installed and recognized...but thats as far as i have gottem
[07:31] <LED_scorched> *gotten
[07:31] <dabaR> whats the error, please dont paset more than one line.
[07:32] <richard25killing> and im logged on as root
[07:32] <dabaR> richard25killing: ^
[07:32] <crimsun> joevandyk: they can give you headaches.
[07:32] <richard25killing> on sudo
[07:32] <crimsun> joevandyk: otherwise they're not bad.
[07:32] <IM> is there any way to run Ubuntu (or any type of Linux) on Windows?  Or run Windows apps on Linux?  I need a free program (besides Win4Lin)
[07:32] <dabaR> well, log out for one.
[07:32] <patrickj> lol linux is fine for multimedia
[07:32] <richard25killing> do what
[07:32] <patrickj> Now im definatly switching
[07:32] <freddy> IM, vmware...not free
[07:32] <La_PaRCa> Marble2, try to put a symlink to your codecs on your ~/.gnome2/totem-addons
[07:32] <La_PaRCa> !restrictedFormats
[07:32] <ubotu> well, restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[07:32] <Marble2> La_PaRCa: I already have
[07:32] <patrickj> now that I know how to configure my system to listen to music and do webdesign
[07:33] <IM> VMWare is my only option?
[07:33] <freddy> do webdesign?
[07:33] <freddy> hehe
[07:33] <dabaR> definitely
[07:33] <freddy> sure thing..do webdesign
[07:33] <joevandyk> crimsun, Are there some sound cards out there that have better linux support?
[07:33] <dabaR> everyone spells it definatly.
[07:33] <La_PaRCa> Marble2, do you get an error?
[07:33] <LED_scorched> dabaR: its there and all... and its in my devise list... but i cant access the internet or anything
[07:33] <dabaR> ok, well, does it get an IP?
[07:33] <dabaR> do you use a router?
[07:33] <Marble2> yea
[07:33] <crimsun> joevandyk: the sblives have good support
[07:33] <Marble2> Video codec 'XviD format' is not handled.
[07:33] <patrickj> hey on Gaim I have to lists MSN Messenger and Individuals and they accidently got both created, they both contain the exact same contact, if I delte one will I still have the contacts in the other?
[07:33] <Marble2> XviD format changes depending on what type of file it is though
[07:34] <LED_scorched> dabaR: yes, i have a router
[07:34] <patrickj> ?
[07:34] <joevandyk> crimsun, they handle multiple sounds fine?  Using alsa or oss or esd?
[07:34] <crimsun> joevandyk: correct
[07:34] <bob2> spasmodo: please don't /msg me
[07:34] <IM> VMWare won't let me run apps from Linux
[07:34] <La_PaRCa> Marble2, open totem-xine from the console and paste the error to ubuntu.pastebin.ca
[07:34] <IM> Will it?
[07:34] <wizo> ok guys done setting up my port forwarding from 70 to 90 and configured my apache2 to listen on port 78
[07:34] <bob2> spasmodo: making it all root:root would be a good start
[07:35] <joevandyk> crimsun, Ok, thanks.
[07:35] <La_PaRCa> !pastebin
[07:35] <ubotu> rumour has it, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[07:35] <wizo> anyone err, can test it out for me?
[07:35] <dabaR> LED_scorched: so the interface needs to be configured for DHCP.
[07:35] <freddy> IM, vmware will let you run the OS the entire OS..wether on linux or windows.
[07:35] <La_PaRCa> Marble2, make that ubuntu.pastebin.com
[07:35] <LED_scorched> dabar: how do i do that?
[07:35] <patrickj> ?
[07:35] <dabaR> wizo: what port?
[07:35] <wizo> 78
[07:35] <Marble2> La_PaRCa: there is no console error, just that error that shows up in the gui
[07:35] <bob2> tho postfix will be pretty confused
[07:35] <IM> So I can boot to Linux and get my Windows Apps?
[07:35] <dabaR> wizo: sure works.
[07:35] <gm78> On redhat systems, you can add a line to /etc/rc.local and that command will be run at every boot. does anyone know what the equivalent file is on a debian/ubuntu system?
[07:35] <wizo> it does!?!
[07:35] <dabaR> index page
[07:36] <wizo> yes thats the one
[07:36] <bob2> spasmodo: please stop it
[07:36] <LED_scorched> what?
[07:36] <La_PaRCa> Marble2, you sure? if you open it from the console it should drop an error
[07:36] <crimsun> joevandyk: np, good luck.
[07:36] <bob2> spasmodo: the place to look it up is in the packages you trashed
[07:36] <wizo> thx everyone
[07:36] <dabaR> LED_scorched: sorry, talking to wizo. GO to System>Admin>Network.
[07:36] <patrickj> hey also how can you copy/paste stuff to/from eterm?
[07:36] <patrickj> Ctrl C/V dont work :/
[07:36] <dabaR> FInd the eth you are looking for. THis is wired, right?
[07:36] <bob2> spasmodo: if I was trying to fix it, I'd look it up on another machine, or debootstrap a new ubuntu chroot and copy them from there
[07:36] <spasmodo> bob2 thanks, I guess.......
[07:36] <arbir> bob2 are you there?
[07:36] <LED_scorched> dabaR: yes
[07:36] <Marble2> La_PaRCa: I'm sure, full error is at http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/320055 though
[07:36] <spasmodo> bob2 - thanks, I will try that
[07:37] <arbir> do i have to reboot my machine ?
[07:37] <dabaR> LED_scorched: cool. um. open that then.
[07:37] <wizo> thanks bob2, dabaR
[07:37] <arbir> or just ctrl + backspace to restart my xserver ?
[07:37] <patrickj> XMMS is awesome :p
[07:37] <dabaR> wizo: sure.
[07:37] <La_PaRCa> Marble2, do you have read permission on the codec dir?
[07:37] <gm78> patrickj, have u tried bmp?
[07:37] <bob2> spasmodo: "find /var -exec ls -ld \{\}\;" on an unbroken machine will list everything you need to know
[07:37] <bob2> arbir: restarting X is plenty
[07:37] <dabaR> Others helped you get it working more than I did.:)
[07:37] <spasmodo> bob2 - sorry, I did not see you typig in this room
[07:37] <arbir> thanks bob2 let me try
[07:37] <patrickj> no, is it better?
[07:37] <dabaR> I helped you find out its not working.
[07:37] <LED_scorched> dabaR: ok... its opened
[07:37] <patrickj> whats the pack name on the repo?
[07:37] <arbir> what is the official Ubuntu way of restarting Xserver
[07:37] <dabaR> ok, well, what does it say, configured, or not configured?
[07:38] <patrickj> Logout andback in
[07:38] <gm78> patrickj, it is an xmms fork, the main difference being beep media player uses gtk2 instead of gtk1 which is used in xmms
[07:38] <LED_scorched> not configed
[07:38] <patrickj> NICE
[07:38] <patrickj> must look better
[07:38] <dabaR> You can find it at official.xserver.restart_for/Ubuntu.org.
[07:38] <dabaR> hehe
[07:38] <patrickj> whats the pack name in repo?
[07:38] <joevandyk> crimsun, You know if the plain old SB live's work fine?
[07:38] <dabaR> alt+ctrl+backspace
[07:38] <crimsun> joevandyk: they do.
[07:38] <Marble2> La_PaRCa: Can I PM you
[07:38] <gm78> patrickj, it is a lot nicer for some of the menu dialogs and espescially the preference screens
[07:38] <LED_scorched> what?
[07:38] <patrickj> ok...and whats the pack name on repo?
[07:38] <patrickj> lol
[07:38] <arbir> ok dabaR thats what i use normally
[07:38] <La_PaRCa> Marble2, go ahead, but I dont know how much help I will be
[07:38] <dabaR> LED_scorched: no0t you.
[07:38] <LED_scorched> ok
[07:38] <LED_scorched> :p
[07:39] <arbir> is gone down to restart his Xserver
[07:39] <dabaR> hehe. LED_scorched ok, well, click on the activate button after selecting the interface by cvlicking on it.
[07:39] <dabaR> :p
[07:39] <patrickj> who in here used JUST linux?
[07:39] <LED_scorched> ok
[07:39] <geneo91> me
[07:39] <LED_scorched> thank you dabar
[07:39] <gm78> patrickj, beep-media-player  it comes with mp3 support built in, u will need to install the dev package to build things like wma support
[07:40] <patrickj> and whats the dev package?
[07:40] <patrickj> I dont think any of my music is WMA :/
[07:40] <gm78> patrickj, if im not mistaken, it is beep-media-player-dev
[07:40] <gm78> patrickj, lol, thats a good thing
[07:40] <dabaR> LED_scorched: what it works already?
[07:41] <gm78> patrickj, xmms skins work on bmp also
[07:41] <patrickj> WHOA Bmp looks alot nicer :d
[07:41] <gm78> patrickj, go into the preferences window, looks way better, i found the xmms one to be kind of cryptic looking (my mom thought so to :-P )
[07:42] <Fiercetactics> no voice still i bet
[07:42] <Burgundavia> gm78, xmms has a crap interface, to be blunt
[07:42] <Fiercetactics> oooooooooooooooooooo
[07:42] <patrickj> WTF
[07:42] <gm78> Burgundavia, lol, nicely put
[07:42] <patrickj> it gave me an error once I tried to play music :/
[07:42] <gm78> patrickj, what did it say?
[07:42] <dabaR> ya, what error.
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> start/stop/play - works for me :P
[07:42] <Fiercetactics> patrickj, look in your prefrences
[07:42] <patrickj> well something about Number os entried=431
[07:43] <thoreauputic> winamp skins for winamp 2 work for xmms/beep too - just rename them with a .zip suffix
[07:43] <gm78> patrickj, try another song
[07:43] <gm78> thoreauputic, hmmm, i didnt know that
[07:43] <dabaR> well, you can t know it all, can you?
[07:43] <dabaR> hehe
[07:43] <patrickj> well it works when I manually add em, but it wont work from a playlist :/
[07:43] <deFrysk> beep is xmms with a facelift and i hate facelifts
[07:44] <deFrysk> xmms rules big time
[07:44] <gm78> patrickj, what prog did u use to make the playlist?
[07:44] <patrickj> XMMS
[07:44] <patrickj> is that a problem?
[07:44] <Fiercetactics> i get the following error when i try and play code red
[07:44] <Fiercetactics> ref_gl version: GL 0.01
[07:44] <Fiercetactics> ref_gl::R_Init() - could not load "libGL.so"
[07:44] <Fiercetactics> recursive shutdown
[07:44] <Fiercetactics> Error: Couldn't initialize renderer!
[07:44] <Fiercetactics> oops sorry
[07:44] <gm78> patrickj, it could be....i never make playlists so i wouldnt know, i just add all the files in my music directory
[07:44] <Fiercetactics> didnt mean to paste the whole thing
[07:44] <patrickj> well mines all under folder :/
[07:45] <gm78> patrickj, i personally use rhythmbox, i just use beep media player with the alarm plugin as an extra alarm clock. bmp/xmms wont work with my keyboard media buttons whereas rhythmbox does
[07:45] <patrickj> oh...weird
[07:46] <gm78> patrickj, i think its cause i use the gnome keyboard config tool to add the functionality to the buttons, and xmms/bmp dont recognize the gnome settings
[07:46] <Fiercetactics> how do i change my name during chat?
[07:47] <gm78> patrickj, try making a playlist in bmp and then clearing out your playlist and reloading the playlist file
[07:47] <dabaR>  /nick nick
[07:47] <geneo91> i have about 600 skins that work with xmms
[07:47] <yournick> lol
[07:47] <arbir> bob2.. my mouse now works.. but it is totally out of control. and keeps going to the bottom left corner and clicks things automatically
[07:47] <Fiercetactics> dabaR, THANKS!!!!
[07:47] <yournick> my bad
[07:47] <bob2> arbir: then the protocol is wrong
[07:47] <bob2> arbir: rerun that command and pick another one from the list
[07:47] <dabaR> Fiercetactics: yup.
[07:47] <arbir> which another one bob2?
[07:47] <gm78> geneo91, they should work with bmp too...and winamp maybe???
[07:47] <bob2> no idea
[07:47] <arbir> i choose ttyS0
[07:47] <bob2> 'sudo mdetect' might help
[07:48] <arbir> hold on let me try it bob2
[07:48] <gm78> Does anyone know how to make a command run on every boot?
[07:48] <bob2> gm78: what command?
[07:48] <arbir> mdetect
[07:48] <patrickj> kk well i got a playlist working now
[07:48] <Kovecses> gm78, in the sessions option with gnome you can
[07:48] <patrickj> I guess it was the fact that it was made in XMMS
[07:48] <gm78> Kovecses, needs to be run as root tho
[07:48] <arbir> " /dev/psaux
[07:49] <arbir> intellimouse
[07:49] <Kovecses> gm78, what is it?
[07:49] <bob2> gm78: what command do you want to run?
[07:49] <gm78> bob2, some hdparm commands and to make it unload and reload a kernel module a certain way at each boot
[07:49] <patrickj> well boys, i gtg sleep
[07:49] <patrickj> goodnight
[07:49] <gm78> patrickj, cya
[07:49] <dabaR> cya
[07:49] <patrickj> im gonna still be in here but away if thats allowed
[07:50] <bob2> gm78: install hwtools, edit /etc/init.d/hwtools.sh
[07:50] <thoreauputic> gm78: /etc/hdparm.conf and /etc/modules respectively
[07:50] <bob2> or that
[07:50] <Kovecses> how can i edit the gnome menus?....... i know this is a stupid question
[07:50] <gm78> thoreauputic, how do i edit /etc/modules to unload bttv and reload bttv tuner=2 at each boot?
[07:50] <dabaR> patrickj: I believe it is
[07:50] <bob2> don't unload it
[07:51] <bob2> just set it up so it's loaded with that option to begi nwith
[07:51] <gm78> bob2, is hwtools just a blank script where you can add your own commands?
[07:51] <bob2> no
[07:51] <thoreauputic> gm78: you want to ban a module? i think you can do that in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[07:51] <gm78> Kovecses, smeg is a good tool for this, google it and download it from the ubuntu forums
[07:51] <Kovecses> gm78, its not in the repos?
[07:52] <dabaR> it is
[07:52] <dabaR> backports
[07:52] <gm78> thoreauputic, no, its on my moms computer. she has an ati tv card, which is buggy as hell. it requires u to pass the tuner=2 option every time modprobe bttv is run. when ubuntu boots, it doesnt do this and the card doesnt work
[07:52] <gm78> Kovecses, no...should be for breezy
[07:52] <Kovecses> i heard i can edit menus using a package called menu..... i just want to add one thing really
[07:53] <thoreauputic> gm78: listen to bob2 - I have no experience with this
[07:53] <Yuki> can anyone tell me how to mount my ntfs partition so that I can take data from it?
[07:53] <thoreauputic> gm78: I just know how to load modules or ban them
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> the menus are all built from a bunch of files somewhere.. i forget where however. :P
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> like /usr/share/applications
[07:53] <bob2> Yuki: www.ubuntuguide.org has a short article on that
[07:53] <gm78> Kovecses, well, for smeg, all u need to do is install 2 deb packages
[07:53] <Yuki> bob2, thanyou
[07:54] <patrickj> back for bit actually
[07:54] <dabaR> bob2: nice
[07:54] <Kovecses> gm78, is it a graphical program
[07:54] <dabaR> Yuki: there is also a automount script prepared by seveas somewhere
[07:54] <gm78> Kovecses, yes, really easy to use
[07:54] <Kovecses> gm78, thanks im gonna go grab it
[07:54] <dabaR> also, theree is this:
[07:55] <dabaR> !mountwindows
[07:55] <ubotu> rumour has it, mountwindows is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[07:55] <ricosuave17> im curious is there a utility taht lets u use all packages off all distros on ur distro
[07:55] <gm78> Kovecses, alright. make sure u install the python something or other deb first, and then the smeg deb
[07:55] <patrickj> i need to program my OB menus :p
[07:55] <Kovecses> gm78, im gonna apt it from backports
[07:55] <FlibidyFloo> at first blush ubuntu seems very polished
[07:55] <thoreauputic> dabaR: aha - i was trying to remember that factoid - thanks
[07:55] <spasmodo> bob2 -- thanks, I am making steady progress
[07:55] <patrickj> wheres the main file for the menu?
[07:55] <gm78> ricosuave17, no, there isnt. the best bet is to use ubuntu packages or statically linked packages or compile ur own
[07:56] <dabaR> the mount windows wiki, thoreauputic ?
[07:56] <Kovecses> where are you guys from??
[07:56] <patrickj> ?
[07:56] <thoreauputic> dabaR: yes
[07:56] <gigaclon> is there a way to automatically make esd release sound drivers when idle
[07:56] <Kovecses> how can i have the system sound and have sound in other apps?
[07:57] <gigaclon> basically start up with the -as flag
[07:57] <patrickj> ?
[07:57] <dabaR> patrickj: serious, you need to program them? I started using OB now too:)
[07:57] <gm78> Kovecses, which other apps??? some make this impossible, such as real player and xmms/bmp
[07:57] <patrickj> i need to script em :p
[07:57] <patrickj> but where is the main menu file?
[07:57] <dabaR> like what is offered when you right click?
[07:57] <patrickj> is it ~/.config/openbox/menu.xml?
[07:58] <Kovecses> gm78, well say i want system sound but want to play a game... i have to disable system sound to get sound in games
[07:58] <Kovecses> gigaclon, -as?
[07:58] <dabaR> patrickj: are you gonna change what is offered in the context menu when you right click on the desktop?
[07:58] <luckyaba> Kovecses: i had the same problem
[07:59] <Kovecses> gm78, i can do it with xmms
[07:59] <luckyaba> Kovecses: it deals with your sound card and sound mixing
[07:59] <gm78> Kovecses, the problem lies with esd. some apps wont play sound when esd is running
[07:59] <gigaclon> yeah it makes esd realease control after being idle
[07:59] <gm78> Kovecses, hmmm....thats weird
[07:59] <patrickj> yes...
[07:59] <patrickj> so the menu.xml. right?
[07:59] <Kovecses> gm78, i just have to tell xmms to use alsa
[07:59] <chris> sudo fdisk -l  ;P
[07:59] <chris> this is great
[07:59] <dabaR> patrickj: no idea, Ill check it out too, msg me if you ever figure it out.
[08:00] <jcarr> totem can't even play mpegs by default?
[08:00] <dabaR> http://icculus.org/openbox/docs.php patrickj
[08:00] <patrickj> dabaR: its menu.xhtml i believe
[08:00] <jcarr> can I still use the french mplayer repository?
[08:00] <patrickj> because im editing it as we speak :p
[08:01] <Kovecses> is there a way to get system sound without using esd
[08:01] <jcarr> cuz I need to view these divXs of pr0n I download hourly
[08:01] <jcarr> and linux is sadly lacking out of the box multimedia wise
[08:01] <patrickj> hey on Gaim I have to lists MSN Messenger and Individuals and they accidently got both created, they both contain the exact same contact, if I delte one will I still have the contacts in the other?
[08:01] <dabaR> patrickj: yes, likely.
[08:02] <dabaR> patrickj: whats the path to the file?
[08:02] <patrickj> ok it worked
[08:02] <patrickj> ~/.config/openbox/menu.xml
[08:02] <jcarr> what's this public key crap it wants when I use ftp://ftp.nerim.net  in my apt sources.list?
[08:02] <patrickj> im using bluefish to edit it :p
[08:02] <jcarr> is ubuntu different from debian?
[08:02] <Kovecses> luckyaba, did you ever fix it?
[08:02] <jcarr> that much!?
[08:03] <dabaR> arent yuo special;)
[08:03] <luckyaba> Kovecses: yes
[08:03] <thoreauputic> jcarr: it's more that apt is updated to use keys - but don't use nerim with ubuntu
[08:03] <Kovecses> luckyaba, can you helpme?
[08:03] <jcarr> how come?
[08:04] <luckyaba> Kovecses: yeah
[08:04] <luckyaba> Kovecses: one sec
[08:04] <thoreauputic> jcarr: sarge is out of sync with ubuntu atm
[08:04] <Kovecses> luckyaba, thanks
[08:04] <jcarr> thespiritoftal, is there some other way to just get mplayer?
[08:04] <jcarr> :(
[08:04] <thoreauputic> jcarr: mplayer is in multiverse
[08:04] <jcarr> well, totem can't view mpegs :(
[08:04] <patrickj> and I dont know how to add menu item :/
[08:04] <jcarr> at least, not out of the box with ubuntu
[08:04] <arbir> bob2 i am now again in the mouse config screen
[08:05] <dabaR> patrickj: I dont have the file there:(
[08:05] <arbir> what module shouldi choose @ bob2
[08:05] <bob2> arbir: what did mdetect say?
[08:05] <thoreauputic> jcarr: mplayer is in multiverse and w32codecs in hoary extras from backports
[08:05] <Kovecses> w32codecs are a must
[08:05] <arbir> '/dev/psaux
[08:05] <jcarr> oph... what do I need to put in my apt/sources.list?
[08:05] <arbir> intellimouse
[08:05] <thoreauputic> !multimedia
[08:05] <ubotu> somebody said multimedia was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[08:06] <Computer__Guru> it's absolutely ridiculous that you have to build a new kernel in order to install vmware
[08:06] <Madpilot> jcarr: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats   - for mpg/mp3/etc
[08:06] <thoreauputic> !repos
[08:06] <ubotu> repos is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:06] <jcarr> I know how to add em
[08:06] <jcarr> I'm asking which it is
[08:06] <patrickj> oh you have to copy it from somewhere
[08:06] <patrickj> I cant remember though
[08:06] <arbir> just those two lines bob2
[08:06] <patrickj> go to the openbiox irc and ask there
[08:06] <jcarr> just give it to me
[08:06] <dabaR> I got it.
[08:06] <dabaR> thanks.
[08:06] <jcarr> the two lines I need to add
[08:06] <Necrosan_> Using ubuntu 5.04 and firestarter
[08:06] <bob2> arbir: er, that's not a serial mouse
[08:06] <spanglesontoast> does anyone know much about proftpd?
[08:06] <arbir> bob2 did u get those lines ?
[08:06] <patrickj> kk
[08:06] <thoreauputic> jcarr: I told you above - multiverse and hoary extras
[08:06] <Necrosan_> I've enabled the right ports for a gameserver, but I still cannot connect except on my internal network
[08:07] <Necrosan_> what's the problem?
[08:07] <luckyaba> Kovecses: here this will guide you better than i can explain
[08:07] <luckyaba> Kovecses: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063&highlight=sound
[08:07] <Kovecses> luckyaba, cool
[08:07] <jcarr> multiverse?
[08:07] <spanglesontoast> does anyone know much about proftpd on how to set it up so when people login it takes them to their home dir?
[08:07] <La_PaRCa> Necrosan_, most likely has something to do with port forwarding at your router
[08:07] <arbir> bob2 its a serial mouse. it goes into a com port..
[08:07] <Necrosan_> Not using a router
[08:07] <Necrosan_> Using a switch
[08:07] <arbir> bob2 the port is something like where you plug in your monitor
[08:07] <thoreauputic> jcarr: :/ did you look at the repos link?
[08:07] <thoreauputic> !repos
[08:07] <ubotu> hmm... repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:07] <arbir> bob2  i guess that is a com port
[08:07] <Computer__Guru> spanglesontoast:  it should do that automatically..
[08:07] <La_PaRCa> Necrosan_, then what do you mean your "local network"?
[08:08] <Necrosan_> ubuntu has two nics, eth0 connects to the internet and eth1 is for the internal network
[08:08] <Kovecses> luckyaba, THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:08] <spanglesontoast> does anyone know much about proftpd on how to set it up so when people login it takes them to their home dir?
[08:08] <bob2> arbir: well, mdetect disagrees
[08:08] <jcarr> odd, quite a departure from Debian eh?
[08:08] <dabaR> patrickj: sweet.
[08:08] <arbir> bob2 so what should be done
[08:08] <Computer__Guru> spanglesontoast:  it does that by default.
[08:08] <La_PaRCa> Necrosan_, then your games are listening on the NIC connected to your internal network
[08:08] <luckyaba> Kovecses: no problem.. i know how bad it iritated me so.. hey
[08:09] <Necrosan_> Uhh
[08:09] <bob2> spanglesontoast: try the proftpd irc channel or mailing list
[08:09] <Necrosan_> They are listening on all the nics.
[08:09] <La_PaRCa> Necrosan_, you need to set iptables to work as a NAT
[08:09] <Necrosan_> I've verified this with netstat -a
[08:09] <spanglesontoast> proftpd channel is dead
[08:09] <Necrosan_> La_PaRCa: Firestarter is doing that all
[08:09] <bob2> arbir: don't know
[08:10] <bob2> arbir: I'd just try the various mouse protocols until one worked
[08:10] <arbir> i choose the generic protocol
[08:10] <arbir> let me try now bob2
[08:10] <jcarr> what do I need for mpeg2 files?
[08:11] <patrickj> !pastebin
[08:11] <ubotu> it has been said that pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[08:11] <La_PaRCa> Necrosan_, um... you might want to check that config. Since I am no expert, and dont know a thing about firestarter, I am not your guy. Sorry.
[08:11] <Kovecses> #flood what is that?
[08:11] <Necrosan_> okay, thanks anyway
[08:11] <dabaR> oh wow, hybrid
[08:11] <dabaR> I mean, hybrid_goth got banned?
[08:12] <patrickj> Is this a vlid openbox menu:
[08:12] <patrickj> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/320064
[08:12] <patrickj> ?
[08:12] <dabaR> does it work when you right click on the desktop and select restart, does it do what you want it to?
[08:12] <thoreauputic> patrickj: why not try it and see if it works? ;)
[08:13] <Kovecses> anyone use anything other than gnome
[08:13] <patrickj> i did ant nothing showed yp, yes on the penbox website it says it not, can someone paste a valid openbox menu in the pastebin?
[08:13] <dabaR> we are talking about openbox right now...
[08:13] <patrickj> lol
[08:13] <tnapuati> tnapuati
[08:13] <thoreauputic> Kovecses: yep fluxbox, xfce4
[08:13] <patrickj> I hate flux
[08:13] <thoreauputic> patrickj: each to their own
[08:14] <coobra> omg its raiing :7
[08:14] <patrickj> is xfce4 ne good?
[08:14] <Kovecses> i like flux but the windows open bigger than my screen
[08:14] <La_PaRCa> xfce4 is fast
[08:14] <La_PaRCa> real fast
[08:14] <thoreauputic> patrickj: sure, it's nice
[08:14] <Kovecses> xfce is nice
[08:14] <dabaR> patrickj: posted
[08:14] <coobra> xfce4 <3
[08:14] <gpd_> anyone know how to ignore read errors from a DVD? using dd or totem?
[08:15] <patrickj> whats the link to the post bin?
[08:15] <coobra> e1.7 is nice to ;)
[08:15] <coobra> not fast
[08:15] <La_PaRCa> Id use xfce if I hadnt invested time customizing gnome to my liking
[08:15] <coobra> not stabel
[08:15] <adapter> so I have progress
[08:15] <Kovecses> el.7?
[08:15] <adapter> I got xine to play video but it doesn't play sound
[08:15] <jcarr> that's really gay that ubuntu cannot even view mpegs out of the box
[08:15] <La_PaRCa> e1.7
[08:15] <thoreauputic> Kovecses: I think he means e 17 (enlightenment)
[08:15] <La_PaRCa> enlightenment 1.7
[08:15] <Kovecses> u guys hear of the xpde lol
[08:15] <adapter> when I start the video it gets an unknown codec for the audio: audio codec: mpeg layer 2/3 (0x55)
[08:15] <dabaR> jcarr: it is because it is tryiong to be free and legal.
[08:16] <Kovecses> oh thanks
[08:16] <adapter> any ideas?
[08:16] <patrickj> dabaR: whats the link to the postbin?
[08:16] <jcarr> dabaR, mpeg2 is legal?
[08:16] <jcarr> it's a widely used format
[08:16] <dabaR> go to pastebin and refresh, on he left side there will be my post listed
[08:16] <patrickj> n/m i know
[08:16] <jcarr> well, what does it take to just let me use that?
[08:16] <dabaR> jcarr: no idea, depends on the crazy govt you subscruibe to.
[08:16] <jcarr> I just wanna view mpegs
[08:16] <dabaR> !restricted
[08:16] <ubotu> well, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:17] <dabaR> that is all+ w32codecs for backports if you need wmv support
[08:17] <dabaR> from backports rather.
[08:17] <Kovecses> jcarr, u should be able to view mpegs with no problem
[08:17] <jcarr> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted multiverse universe
[08:18] <jcarr> :(
[08:18] <jcarr> let me try to install mplayer
[08:18] <jcarr> I can install it right?
[08:18] <dabaR> ok, we'll let you but only this time.
[08:18] <thoreauputic> jcarr: yes - choose for your archtecture
[08:19] <Kovecses> jcarr, if you have multiverse
[08:19] <Kovecses> jcarr, if you have multiverse
[08:19] <Kovecses> jcarr, youneed to install the fonts too .... i dont know why it isnt a dependency
[08:19] <patrickj> well I know how to add items to the menu, but i need to know how to add submenus
[08:19] <dabaR> what do you do with those dcc chats when you get them?
[08:19] <thoreauputic> jcarr: probably mplayer-586 or so ( no 686 afaik)
[08:19] <patrickj> accept if u want
[08:19] <luckyaba> what do you type that makes it appear red on my screen when your talking to me?
[08:19] <dabaR> what a submenu? a separator?
[08:19] <patrickj> your name
[08:20] <Seveas> luckyaba, your name :)
[08:20] <dabaR> patrickj: how is that accept?
[08:20] <Kovecses> are you guys using XCHAT?
[08:20] <luckyaba> Seveas that it?
[08:20] <patrickj> no another menu in side the root-menu
[08:20] <adapter> so where can I find audo codecs?
[08:20] <adapter> audio
[08:20] <dabaR> patrickj: or in english. How do you accept? irssi.
[08:20] <patrickj> like the Desktops menu
[08:20] <thoreauputic> luckyaba: xchat highlights your nick if that's what you mean
[08:20] <patrickj> i ono
[08:20] <patrickj> im using XChar
[08:20] <Seveas> luckyaba, yes :)
[08:20] <patrickj> **XChar
[08:20] <dabaR> i koje?
[08:20] <patrickj> **XChat
[08:20] <luckyaba> thank you much
[08:20] <patrickj> but how do I add submenus
[08:21] <luckyaba> im surprised no one said ctrl alt del
[08:21] <patrickj> so the right click menu can have like a menu that
[08:21] <dabaR> so you mean like the desktops submenu?
[08:21] <patrickj> Apps > Editors > Gedit
[08:21] <patrickj> ?
[08:21] <patrickj> yes
[08:21] <luckyaba> rrr alt f4
[08:21] <dabaR> well, did you go to that link for docs I gave you?
[08:21] <Kovecses> what cdburning app should i get?
[08:22] <thoreauputic> Kovecses: graveman, gnomebaker (to taste)
[08:22] <thoreauputic> or k3b if you don't mind some extra KDE libraries
[08:22] <dabaR> patrickj: add this to your menu.xml <menu id="Debian" label="dabaR"/>
[08:22] <desrt> get serpentine out of backports
[08:23] <desrt> it's much better
[08:23] <patrickj> ll
[08:23] <patrickj> ok
[08:23] <patrickj> why does it have to be debian?
[08:23] <dabaR> I knew that.
[08:23] <dabaR> no change it to whatever.
[08:23] <Kovecses> thoreauputic, graveman?
[08:24] <thoreauputic> Kovecses: yes - written by a French guy - 'graver' means to engrave or burn CDs in French :)
[08:24] <thoreauputic> hence graveman
[08:24] <luckyaba> wow.. the more you know
[08:25] <patrickj> ok I had it working fine, i put Label instead of label :p
[08:25] <patrickj> well peace out
[08:25] <patrickj> sleep......
[08:25] <joevandyk> is pasting four lines considered spamming?
[08:25] <luckyaba> a luxury i cant endure
[08:25] <Kovecses> thoreauputic, is it good?
[08:25] <dabaR> peace
[08:25] <joevandyk> I'm getting two sets of worrisome messages in my log file.
[08:25] <thoreauputic> Kovecses: works well for me
[08:25] <joevandyk> Jul 24 20:04:33 localhost kernel: warning: many lost ticks.
[08:25] <joevandyk> Jul 24 20:04:33 localhost kernel: Your time source seems to be instable or some driver is hogging interupts
[08:25] <joevandyk> Jul 24 20:04:33 localhost kernel: rip rtl8169_phy_timer+0x97/0xb0 [r8169] 
[08:25] <joevandyk> Jul 24 20:04:43 localhost kernel: r8169: eth1: PHY reset until link up
[08:25] <joevandyk> Jul 24 20:05:23 localhost last message repeated 4 times
[08:26] <thoreauputic> Kovecses: try it and see - it isn't a big download
[08:26] <joevandyk> what the hell does that error mean?
[08:26] <Kovecses> thoreauputic, is it in the repos?
[08:26] <thoreauputic> Kovecses: yes
[08:27] <thoreauputic> Kovecses: apt-cache policy graveman - says it's in universe
[08:27] <chris> keep up the good work yall im off to bed    cya
[08:28] <Kovecses> thoreauputic, thanks
[08:29] <Kovecses> what distro u guys use before ubuntu came out.....just curious?
[08:29] <thoreauputic> debian
[08:30] <Disease> hi everyone
[08:30] <Kovecses> hello
[08:30] <Disease> can anyone help me with a problem i'm having with installing Ubuntu?
[08:30] <Kovecses> ok
[08:31] <Disease> i keep getting No screen found
[08:31] <Disease> and can't boot x-server
[08:31] <Disease> yes, i have a Radeon x700 pro
[08:32] <Disease> in one forum topic it said to change the chipset driver to radeon
[08:32] <Disease> but i don't have that as a choice
[08:32] <xuniluser> help: ANY ANJUTA USERS HERE?
[08:32] <xuniluser> sorry....for the caps
[08:33] <thoreauputic> Disease: from memory, I think one thing to try is running ' sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg ' and say "no" to the frame buffer question
[08:33] <mrproper> What kernel module do the Hauppage TV tuners use?
[08:33] <Disease> i have ran that only without the -plow command
[08:34] <thoreauputic> xuniluser: THAT'S OK  *grin*
[08:34] <Disease> no luck
[08:34] <Disease> i've seen that you have to edit the xorg.conf with gedit
[08:35] <Disease> only i can't run gedit
[08:35] <RQ> :)
[08:35] <Disease> because it says it can't display them
[08:35] <parabolize> Disease, sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:35] <RQ> Disease use vim
[08:35] <RQ> or nano
[08:35] <Disease> i try that
[08:36] <Disease> ok
[08:36] <RQ> nano is better if you're a beginner
[08:36] <parabolize> nano is good
[08:36] <Disease> i'll try vim and nano
[08:36] <Disease> i'm really just trying to get in and edit it
[08:36] <coobra> pico to
[08:36] <RQ> vim is more advanced and more inconvenient
[08:36] <Seveas> Disease, you can use gedit too
[08:36] <Disease> i can't now
[08:36] <RQ> Seveas no X means no gedit
[08:36] <Seveas> Disease, ina  normal terminal you type: sudo gedit
[08:36] <Disease> it says it can't display
[08:36] <parabolize> Disease, are you typing sudo?
[08:36] <Disease> i'm under root
[08:37] <RQ> bah, guys
[08:37] <Disease> i have no X
[08:37] <thoreauputic> coobra: pico is a symlink to nano in Ubuntu
[08:37] <RQ> HE HAS NO X RUNNING!
[08:37] <Disease> i can't display it
[08:37] <parabolize> Disease, root is not in ubuntu.
[08:37] <RQ> how do you expect him to run gedit without X?
[08:37] <Disease> yes it is
[08:37] <coobra> thoreauputic:  in all system its  :)
[08:37] <parabolize> Disease, try nano I gess
[08:38] <Disease> brb, gonna try it out
[08:38] <chibifs> thoreauputic - It did in warty, why wouldn't it now?
[08:38] <thoreauputic> Disease: nano is probably easiest if you aren't comfortable with vi/vim
[08:38] <thoreauputic> chibifs: ?
[08:38] <chibifs> pico symlink.
[08:38] <thoreauputic> chibifs: it still is - i just ran pico and got nano
[08:39] <thoreauputic> chibifs: I don't follow you...
[08:39] <chibifs> Oh, excuse, I read "There is no symlink from pico to nano in ubuntu"
[08:39] <chibifs> My bad.
[08:39] <thoreauputic> chibifs: clean your glasses ;-)
[08:40] <chibifs> Nah, just need to turn the font up past 7pt :P
[08:40] <thoreauputic> haha
[08:40] <parabolize> lol
[08:40] <RQ> ;] ] ] 
[08:40] <RQ> and then clean your glasses ;P~
[08:41] <fortran01> is there a resizing tool that comes with the ubuntu installer, i want to resize my ntfs, and dual boot ubuntu with windoze xp?
[08:42] <auk> !firefox
[08:42] <joevandyk> How do I prevent a kernel module from being loaded at boot?
[08:42] <chibifs> I spend a lot of time at really low resolutions trying to tweak for mobile/low-processor desktops, so I usually have my fonts turned down low :D
[08:42] <HrdwrBoB> joevandyk: put it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[08:42] <RQ> ah
[08:42] <joevandyk> And how can I safely remove old madwifi's that restricted-modules package installed?
[08:42] <thoreauputic> joevandyk: put it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[08:42] <joevandyk> HrdwrBoB, tthanks!
[08:42] <auk> !info firefox
[08:42] <auk> !info mozilla-firefox
[08:42] <ubotu> mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.2-0ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 8581 kB, Installed size: 24100 kB
[08:43] <joevandyk> I installed new madwifi's but they're in a different spot than the old ones.  So I'd like the old ones to be removed.  Should I just delete them or move them?
[08:43] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: oops sorry - not quick enough :)
[08:43] <auk> !mozilla-firefox
[08:43] <ubotu> auk: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[08:43] <RQ> auk?
[08:43] <auk> yes?
[08:43] <auk> !firefox seg fault
[08:43] <ubotu> auk: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:44] <thoreauputic> auk: OK enough bot abuse ;)
[08:44] <auk> !firefox segmentation fault
[08:44] <ubotu> Wish i knew, auk
[08:44] <auk> ok
[08:44] <auk> sorry
[08:44] <anacron> can i play doom3 and such a games in ubuntu somehow?
[08:44] <RQ> auk
[08:44] <RQ> google?
[08:44] <auk> tried
[08:44] <thoreauputic> auk: read the /topic by the way
[08:44] <RQ> auk btw - hoary?
[08:44] <HrdwrBoB> thoreauputic: heh it's a quick draw around here
[08:44] <parabolize> anacron, doom3 is yes
[08:44] <HrdwrBoB> anacron: yes
[08:44] <auk> oh
[08:44] <HrdwrBoB> doom3 has a linux version
[08:44] <auk> ehhe
[08:44] <chibifs> anacron - Doom3 has a native linux client.
[08:44] <auk> *hehe
[08:44] <chibifs> Though it doesn't run bad at all under cedega. :o
[08:45] <auk> so is it a priority? :D
[08:45] <parabolize> anacron, http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom/
[08:45] <anacron> okay, so i can play doom, but how 'bout other games, like painkiller and psychonauts?
[08:45] <joevandyk> When I click "New Login" (in System Tools), I get the following error message: "Cannot start new display.  There were errors trying to start the X server."  Nothing appeared in /var/log/messages or /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:45] <auk> 'cause it's bugging the crap out of me
[08:45] <anacron> parabolize: thanks ^^
[08:46] <RQ> hm
[08:46] <RQ> auk: crasing FF was the reason i upgraded to breezy, lol
[08:46] <thoreauputic> auk: someone said "wait until tomorrow" a while back
[08:46] <oatis> hi, I just installed kubuntu and noticed packages like php4-mysql are not available via apt, why not?
[08:46] <auk> uuggghh
[08:47] <thoreauputic> auk: so I guess work is happening
[08:47] <auk> two days are enough fo rme :)
[08:47] <chibifs> oatis - Enable Universe repository.
[08:47] <auk> i am used to linux & OSS beign infallible
[08:47] <parabolize> anacron, don't know about painkiller and psychonauts. did you try googleing?
[08:48] <chibifs> Edit the archive.ubuntu.org apt line from main restricted to main restricted universe multiverse
[08:48] <Yuki> is there anything wrong with this line: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /home/user/windows -o username-moo password=moo
[08:48] <Yuki> because it doesn't work
[08:48] <chibifs> Yuki - Moo is a bad password :D
[08:48] <Yuki> lol
[08:49] <Yuki> it's not the real password
[08:49] <Yuki> :P
[08:49] <RQ> thoreauputic hmm....
[08:49] <RQ> FF is working in breezy :)
[08:49] <ricosuave17> ok i get a source using apt-get install talksoup what do i do wit it
[08:49] <Yuki> I just want to mount my ntfs partition and be able to read it
[08:49] <thoreauputic> RQ: glad to hear *something* works in Breezy :D
[08:50] <thoreauputic> !mountwindows
[08:50] <ubotu> rumour has it, mountwindows is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[08:50] <dabaR> Yuki: you tell us if there is something wrong with the line, is there an error?
[08:50] <Yuki> it just gives me help text on how to use monting commands
[08:51] <RQ> thoreauputic :D
[08:51] <RQ> yeah
[08:51] <thoreauputic> Yuki: just read the URL ubotu posted
[08:51] <RQ> something does
[08:51] <RQ> with some help from here, i even got X working in breezy :)
[08:51] <thoreauputic> RQ: congrats :)
[08:51] <RQ> so for me, everything works there ;)
[08:51] <anacron> parabolize: no i didn't try google yet, since i'd like to know is there a common "emulator" to run 3d games
[08:53] <parabolize> anacron, Wine Is Not a Emulator! :) or cedega
[08:53] <dabaR> WINE
[08:54] <joevandyk> Anyone have any ideas on why I can't do the System Tools -> New Login  thing?    It says "Cannot start new display.  There were errors trying to start the X server".  Nothing shows up in the logs as far as I can see.
[08:54] <parabolize> only use those programs when you can't run native
[08:54] <ricosuave17> anyone help me plz
[08:55] <dabaR> you get a source?
[08:55] <RQ> joevandyk checking wrong logs, eh? ;)
[08:55] <Yuki> oh, thank you so much, that guide helped me, it works now
[08:55] <ricosuave17> yes can i paste it here
[08:55] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: what are you trying to install?
[08:55] <joevandyk> RQ, not sure what logs to check
[08:55] <ricosuave17> root@home:/home/ricky # apt-get talksoup
[08:55] <ricosuave17> E: Invalid operation talksoup
[08:55] <ricosuave17> root@home:/home/ricky # apt-get install talksoup
[08:55] <ricosuave17> Reading package lists... Done
[08:55] <ricosuave17> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:55] <ricosuave17> Package talksoup is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:55] <ricosuave17> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:55] <ricosuave17> is only available from another source
[08:55] <ricosuave17> However the following packages replace it:
[08:55] <ricosuave17>   talksoup.app
[08:55] <ricosuave17> E: Package talksoup has no installation candidate
[08:55] <ricosuave17> root@home:/home/ricky #
[08:55] <RQ> joevandyk /var/log/xorg.1.log probably? :)
[08:55] <oatis> chibifs, thanks
[08:55] <dabaR> ricosuave17: come on
[08:55] <Burgundavia> ricosuave17, please don't paste in here
[08:55] <dabaR> !pastebin
[08:56] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[08:56] <ricosuave17> sorry
[08:56] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: do *NOT* paste in here: please read the /topic
[08:56] <dabaR> use one of those.
[08:56] <joevandyk> RQ, doesn't exist.
[08:56] <ricosuave17> i pased in #flood
[08:56] <RQ> ricosuave17 apt-get install talksoup.app ??
[08:56] <dabaR> sudo aptitude install talksoup.app
[08:56] <RQ> ricosuave17 err...
[08:56] <RQ> capital X
[08:56] <ricosuave17> ok i got it but it seems not to run
[08:57] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: did you actually *read* what the error said ??
[08:57] <knudsen_> Hello. I have install proftpd on my server, and I can login with my username/password. If I add a new user (useradd testuser) and provide a password (passwd testuser) this user cannot log in (error 530, invalid login). What can be wrong?
[08:57] <ricosuave17> kind off
[08:57] <joevandyk> Waht's the IRC for leaving one channel?
[08:57] <thoreauputic> joevandyk: /part
[08:57] <ricosuave17> oops i did the command
[08:57] <Disease> i'm back
[08:57] <dabaR> knudsen_: should work.
[08:58] <dabaR> knudsen_: what wm are you using?
[08:58] <joevandyk> Well, it's not /exit or /quit
[08:58] <Disease> sadly now i'm getting Kernel Panic - machine check
[08:58] <knudsen_> dabaR: window manager? None. It's a server ...
[08:58] <Disease> on boot up
[08:58] <dabaR> hm... do you know how to list what groups a user belongs to?
[08:58] <joevandyk> RQ, where else would I look
[08:58] <RQ> wait. phone
[08:59] <knudsen_> dabaR: guess so ... which groups must the user belong to?
[08:59] <parabolize> Disease, post your xorg.conf at http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/
[08:59] <RQ> joevandyk?
[08:59] <RQ> apt-cache search talksoupp
[08:59] <dabaR> knudsen_: prolly proftp, or ftp
[08:59] <ricosuave17> its ok i have talksoup now
[09:00] <RQ> joevandyk with one "p"
[09:00] <knudsen_> dabaR: thanks, I'll try that.
[09:01] <joevandyk> rq, what?
[09:01] <RQ> joevandyk, apt-get install talksoup.app
[09:01] <dabaR> knudsen_: no such groups.
[09:01] <joevandyk> RQ, what's that app?
[09:01] <parabolize> Disease, you can use w3m to get there
[09:01] <RQ> oh wait
[09:01] <Computer__Guru> there, vmware is now setup and I have access to windowsxp should i need it for some reason
[09:01] <RQ> joevandyk /var/log/X*.log
[09:02] <joevandyk> RQ, yeah, nothing gets written to any of those.
[09:02] <RQ> this can't be ;)
[09:02] <dabaR> knudsen_: no groups signalling anuthing about ftp
[09:03] <franck> Hi all
[09:03] <xliu> is there a Java programming channel?
[09:03] <joevandyk> RQ, well there's only Xorg.0.log and nothing new is in that file.
[09:03] <resiak> xliu: Could it possibly be #java ?
[09:03] <dabaR> xliu: /join #java
[09:03] <franck> I'm trying again to get help on locales problems
[09:03] <RQ> joevandyk dunno then
[09:04] <spasmodo> good night everyone!
[09:04] <xliu> ok thanks resiak, dabaR
[09:04] <resiak> ...
[09:04] <signius> where does smb.conf live ?
[09:04] <anacron> signius: slocate smb.conf
[09:04] <RQ> signius /etc/samba
[09:05] <signius> thanks
[09:05] <dabaR> knudsen_: user does not have to be in any group to access the ftp server login.
[09:05] <RQ> np
[09:05] <franck> I have language-pack-fr and language-support-fr installed, but some apps still are in english (eg frestarter, wxvlc, multisync...) Where to look for ?
[09:05] <RQ> franck maybe they're not yet translated
[09:06] <xliu> java channel told me:"You need to be identified to join that channel". How to do it?
[09:06] <franck> RQ : well I think they are, because thy are on my Debian Sid box
[09:06] <RQ> hm
[09:06] <dabaR> xliu: /msg nickserv register "password"
[09:06] <RQ> xliu /ns help
[09:07] <RQ> franck and the versions? :)
[09:07] <anacron> is there a command to kill/kick out other users that are using my linux ;D
[09:07] <franck> RQ good question... do you mean they are newer on Hoary and not yet translated ?
[09:08] <RQ> franck they might be newer on sid
[09:08] <RQ> and older on hoary, yhes
[09:08] <ricosuave17> how can i make ubuntu accept all packages
[09:08] <RQ> ricosuave17?
[09:09] <ricosuave17> yes like .rpm and .tar
[09:09] <franck> Oh, I see... anyway I think they've been translated for a long time now...  I will check
[09:09] <dabaR> .tar are archive files.
[09:09] <dabaR> .rpm can be made into .deb, but why would you do that?
[09:09] <RQ> ricosuave17 use alien to import them
[09:09] <signius> in smb.conf what does the ; mean ?
[09:10] <dabaR> wink
[09:10] <RQ> signius it's a comment
[09:10] <RQ> just like #
[09:10] <signius> so why do they use both ; & # in the same files ?
[09:10] <ricosuave17> cause apt-get doesnt always have nice packages
[09:10] <ricosuave17> so i like to use slackware packages
[09:10] <signius> why not just use ; or # ?
[09:11] <dabaR> ricosuave17: yet you dont like to use slackware?
[09:11] <RQ> ricosuave17 you can use slackware then
[09:11] <RQ> signius because.
[09:11] <ricosuave17> well i mean i like to get the best out of everything
[09:11] <ricosuave17> but unbuntu is a lot more usable
[09:11] <dabaR> ha, very wordy explanation.
[09:12] <signius> hmmm
[09:12] <dabaR> ricosuave17: well, come here when you dont like a package and want to use a rpm, and ask about it.
[09:12] <xkuseme> does anybody know how to get the xeyes window borderless?
[09:12] <Computer__Guru> xeyes r 1337 :D
[09:12] <Computer__Guru> suppose it would depend on your window manager
[09:13] <xkuseme> gnome metacity
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> kde has an xeyes applet for the kicker
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> xsetroot xeyes :D
[09:13] <xkuseme> i got gnome
[09:13] <xkuseme> for gnome?
[09:13] <franck> I have checked firestarter installed files (in Synaptic)
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> it will set xeyes as your background :D
[09:13] <franck> /usr/share/locale/fr
[09:13] <franck> /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES
[09:13] <franck> /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/firestarter.mo are installed
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> hrmm
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> xeyes does start borderless for me
[09:14] <thoreauputic> Computer__Guru: actually it won't in gnome
[09:14] <xkuseme> Computer__Guru: not for me? what command?
[09:14] <dabaR> Computer__Guru: nor in OB.
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> oh well thats cheap
[09:14] <RQ> franck maybe it runs as a root, and disrespects your locale?
[09:15] <Computer__Guru> actually i doubt it will in kde either, heh
[09:15] <Computer__Guru> firestarter does run as root
[09:15] <RQ> franck well, i dunno actually
[09:15] <franck> RQ : hummm... My locale is set by /etc/environment
[09:15] <RQ> try running it from terminal after ensuring your locale is fr_FR in it :)
[09:16] <thoreauputic> Computer__Guru: AFAIK xsetroot only sets colours and gradients anyway
[09:16] <thelow> helloo. does anyone know of any good audio applications suitable for ubuntu?
[09:16] <dabaR> xkuseme: I just made mine have no border
[09:16] <Computer__Guru> thoreauputic:  im pretty sure ive used it to set screensavers int he root window, as well as jpegs.. could be wrong though.. that was ages ago
[09:16] <franck> RQ : I did it. echo $LANGUAGE gives fr_FR:fr:en_GB:en
[09:16] <dabaR> xkuseme: I am in openbox, however.
[09:16] <xkuseme> dabaR: how
[09:17] <visor> is there an id3 tag editor that you use rather than EasyTag?
[09:17] <franck> RQ : and firestarter is still in english
[09:17] <RQ> funny, eh? :)
[09:17] <RQ> echo $LANG
[09:17] <franck> Yes :-
[09:17] <thoreauputic> Computer__Guru: also, by default in gnome the b'ground is set by nautilus (which I really dislike) so the root window is hidden
[09:17] <Computer__Guru> so set LANGUAGE=fr_FR:fr
[09:18] <RQ> not LANGUAGE
[09:18] <RQ> use LANG
[09:18] <alex__> Hello!Can somebody say me a good linux's forum?
[09:18] <dabaR> xkuseme: well, in openbox, you just click on the little box in the top left of the window, and choose decorate
[09:18] <Computer__Guru> thoreauputic:  yeah, i dont use gnome
[09:18] <franck> RQ echo $LANG : fr_FR.UTF8
[09:18] <dabaR> alex__: reword.
[09:18] <RQ> franck OK...
[09:18] <Computer__Guru> en_US.UTF-8
[09:18] <alex__> dabaR: reword? what's reword?
[09:18] <RQ> then it should work...
[09:18] <dabaR> reword your question.
[09:18] <RQ> alex__:forums.ubuntu.com? :))
[09:19] <alex__> RQ: thanks
[09:19] <franck> RQ I'm glad :-)
[09:19] <dabaR> www.ubuntuforums.org I think actually.
[09:19] <dabaR> yes, the other dont work.
[09:21] <Samikira> hey .. I'm looking for this always-unstable-release Grumpy Groundhog ... where can I download it?
[09:21] <RQ> alex__: i seem to have been wrong. use this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/forums
[09:21] <dabaR> Samikira: what?
[09:21] <dabaR> haha
[09:21] <thoreauputic> Samikira: afaik it doesn't exist (yet)
[09:22] <RQ> :DD
[09:22] <dabaR> nice idea for the new name.
[09:22] <RQ> hmm..
[09:22] <Samikira> when is it "released"?
[09:22] <RQ> he means "itch", i guess? :)
[09:22] <learn25> I have installed PHP4 based on ubuntuguide.org but it deos'nt work. My PHP file is downloaded in my Browser. Anybody can help me configure PHP?
[09:22] <thoreauputic> there was discussion of grumpy some months ago
[09:22] <RQ> or what's the name...
[09:22] <Samikira> so you can just get the normal releases, no developer always-unstable-release?
[09:23] <thoreauputic> Samikira: Breezy is the current dev branch
[09:23] <RQ> Samikira breezy is a developer release now.
[09:23] <thoreauputic> Samikira: and it *is* unstable ;)
[09:23] <dabaR> a developer release sounds ridiculous to me...
[09:23] <RQ> when it becomes stable, there will be something else.
[09:23] <Burgundavia> Samikira, there is no rolled unstable, ala sid
[09:24] <Burgundavia> Samikira, something is planned, but not released yet
[09:24] <dabaR> use linux, and after a while, you dont need distributions to give you an unstable system.
[09:24] <Samikira> okay I see thanx ;)
[09:24] <Samikira> and breezy is available already?
[09:24] <Samikira> should come in Oktober I thought?!
[09:24] <thoreauputic> Samikira: yes, but not recommended :)
[09:25] <thoreauputic> Samikira: see /topic
[09:25] <Samikira> I see thank ya
[09:26] <RQ> Samikira in october it will be stable
[09:26] <RQ> now it's not :)
[09:27] <Computer__Guru> why are people in such a hurry to use breezy
[09:27] <Samikira> yes I know thx
[09:27] <Samikira> *g*
[09:27] <Computer__Guru> hell i probably wont use it for a good 2 months after it comes out just to make sure some arbitrary part of it isnt fubar
[09:27] <dabaR> Computer__Guru: no clue.
[09:27] <aaron__> lo
[09:28] <Samikira> just wanted to get a release where everything is always new and thought this grumpy would fit this picture
[09:28] <dabaR> Computer__Guru: altho I am sure to use it once it comes out.
[09:28] <Computer__Guru> yeah me too
[09:28] <RQ> Computer__Guru ghm
[09:28] <thoreauputic> Computer__Guru: some people enjoy living dangerously I guess :)
[09:28] <Computer__Guru> after other people find all the major bugs :D
[09:28] <RQ> i upgraded to breezy because FF kept crashing for me
[09:28] <RQ> in hoary
[09:28] <aaron__> can I please have the name of a package that will give me an xorg UI for kernel config (aside from xconfig).
[09:29] <dabaR> bah...could you have installed a diff version of FF?
[09:29] <RQ> Computer__Guru it was happening in some specific situation, i think
[09:29] <nldk> Hi
[09:29] <Computer__Guru> i know right.. people act like if it's not all pretty-packaged in a .deb file, it just isnt installable, heh
[09:29] <dabaR> hey nldk ./
[09:29] <Computer__Guru> RQ:  i would imagine
[09:29] <nldk> Does anyone know if ubuntu backport repositories have GPG keys?
[09:30] <dabaR> nldk: I doubt it.
[09:30] <devnull> you can install things that aren't in deb format ? ;)
[09:30] <dabaR> haha
[09:30] <b0ol> hello, does someone know how to change the standard browser to opera from firefox?
[09:30] <nldk> I would like to get rid of these anoying trust messages...
[09:30] <dabaR> well, its not as easy, and there is no reason to do it mostly.
[09:30] <aaron__> can someone please tell me the name of the package to install so that I may use gconfig to configure my kernel?
[09:30] <Computer__Guru> does anybody have a nick-complete script for x-chat that mimics the one in gaim.. i.e. when you enter a couple letters and hit tab, if there's more than one match, it beeps and shows you the possibilities so youc an add a letter or two
[09:30] <aaron__> b0ol: what have you tried so far?
[09:30] <dabaR> aaron__: asked synaptic?
[09:31] <b0ol> erm nothin :x
[09:31] <b0ol> sry
[09:31] <b0ol> =)
[09:31] <aaron__> babaR: Yes it doesn't seem to have any references to it...
[09:31] <b0ol> as is was working with gnome
[09:31] <dabaR> b0ol: well, I know. System>Prefs>Prefd Apps.
[09:31] <dabaR> b0ol: have opera installed?
[09:31] <b0ol> yep
[09:31] <b0ol> 7.54
[09:31] <dabaR> b0ol: well, go click on what I told you.
[09:32] <dabaR> Replace the firefox %s with opera %s
[09:32] <b0ol> dabaR? can you tell me the program's name, i'm working with e17
[09:32] <thelow> i'm having a bit of trouble installing acroread and flash plugin for mozilla (i HAVE installed all the repositories). could someone help me?
[09:32] <epitron> b0ol: actually, do opera -newpage %s
[09:32] <b0ol> k
[09:32] <dabaR> e17 being a window manager?
[09:32] <b0ol> yep
[09:32] <dabaR> thelow: I will help you by telling you not to use acroread.
[09:32] <b0ol> and i dont have the link to 'prefd apps'
[09:32] <b0ol> :/
[09:32] <thelow> fair enough
[09:32] <Computer__Guru> wtf is e17?
[09:33] <b0ol> enlightenment
[09:33] <b0ol> get-e.org
[09:33] <epitron> Computer__Guru: not much of a guru after-all!
[09:33] <b0ol> dabaR: ?
[09:33] <Computer__Guru> oh enlightenment
[09:33] <Computer__Guru> okay
[09:33] <dabaR> b0ol: System>Preferences>Preferred APplications
[09:33] <aaron__> dabaR: b0ol is probably refering to enlightenment, 17 as far as I know is still unstable
[09:33] <b0ol> yes and i do not have this link
[09:33] <b0ol> =)
[09:33] <b0ol> theres no system>preferences>preferred applications =)
[09:33] <thelow> but i'm not able to install any of the examples in the starter guide. do i have to restart after enabling uni/multiverse
[09:33] <dabaR> well, I am gonna look.
[09:34] <b0ol> would you start it please and then tell me the name? so i can start it off from terminal?
[09:34] <b0ol> thanx
[09:34] <epitron> Computer__Guru: if you wanna check out what it looks like in action, watch this -- http://livecd.debianitas.net/screenshots/prueba2.mpg
[09:34] <thoreauputic> thelow: run sudo apt-get update (or reload in synaptic)
[09:35] <thelow> i did that
[09:35] <dabaR> gnome-default-applications-properties
[09:35] <b0ol> a thanks =9
[09:36] <b0ol> www.google.de (test for myself)
[09:37] <b0ol> thanks dabaR  it worked =)
[09:37] <dabaR> b0ol: I am the suck! l33t
[09:37] <dabaR> I am the sucks
[09:38] <Computer__Guru> epitron:  it looks okay, but doesnt look like anything more than it was four years ago, heh
[09:38] <dabaR> I have an ugly scrape on my knee from skateboarding.
[09:38] <Computer__Guru> im going to go make some tea, ill bbiab
[09:40] <EruditeH1rmit> hey, can anyone give me a link to the project status page?
[09:41] <EruditeH1rmit> I forgot where it is
[09:41] <Burgundavia> EruditeH1rmit, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[09:41] <slask3n_> how do i set the root password?
[09:41] <thoreauputic> !root
[09:41] <ubotu> root is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:41] <Burgundavia> slask3n_, wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:42] <slask3n_> :)
[09:42] <EruditeH1rmit> Burgundavia: thanks
[09:43] <dabaR> hey, the picture is even uglier than in real life. http://dabar.selfip.org/rana.jpg
[09:43] <dabaR> my scrape^^
[09:43] <thoreauputic> ubotu tell thelow about repositories
[09:44] <s3phirot> Hi
[09:45] <dabaR> hey
[09:45] <Computer__Guru> ubotu tell me about myself
[09:46] <dabaR> !msg the bot
[09:46] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, msg the bot is please use /msg ubotu to play with the bot, the channel does not benefit much from your fun. Sorry.
[09:46] <dabaR> ha!
[09:46] <booGaloo> hi, i installed a new version of OpenOffice and i wanted to uninstall the old one, how do I do this?
[09:47] <dabaR> booGaloo: familiar with synaptic?
[09:47] <dabaR> keep it to yourself, guru:)
[09:48] <dabaR> ppl come here and are underage and stuff.
[09:48] <booGaloo> dabar: yeah...but im a little confused...supposedly, it's just gonna remove the package but when I review the changes about to be made, its got stuffs to download and update...which is not what i want
[09:49] <slask3n_> my user is not in the /etc/sudoers, so i cant get any root privelegies.. how can i get root privelegies?
[09:49] <Computer__Guru> dabaR:  if you're old enough to be on irc, you have at least rudementary knowledge of the drug subculture, and seeing someone state that they've sparked a bowl shouldn't be the end of the world :D
[09:49] <dabaR> well, try it, and see what happens. I think it gives you a summary of what it is doing before it does it. If not, use aptitude. sudo aptitude remove openoffice.org
[09:49] <dabaR> slask3n_: is tehre another user with privileges?
[09:49] <Eilonwy05> okay, all... I got a tough question for anybody willing to tackle it.  I recently installed Hoary, got things running fine, had to update to kernel 2.6.12.2 in order to compile the latest ATI drivers for my laptop (the stable ones in the repository didn't support my X300)... everything was fine until I swapped out my DVD-ROM/CDRW for a DVD burner... I no longer have any /dev/cdrom* entries...
[09:49] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  see the line in sudoers that says %admins - that pertains to your user
[09:50] <Eilonwy05> I checked to make sure I have SCSI support in the kernel, I do, and sg, sd_mod, and sr_mod are all modules
[09:50] <Computer__Guru> Eilonwy05:  it really sounds like your cdrom isnt setupt he same way the other one was
[09:50] <slask3n_> dabaR, no
[09:50] <Computer__Guru> jumper-wise
[09:50] <dabaR> slask3n_: none whatsoever?
[09:50] <Computer__Guru> Eilonwy05: make sure it's jumpered and connected exactly as your other one was
[09:51] <slask3n_> dabaR, not unless ubuntu has created an account for itself :P
[09:51] <Eilonwy05> hmmm, didn't think of that -- it works fine in Windoze, so I'm not sure that's the issue
[09:51] <dabaR> slask3n_: well, what happened to the first user?
[09:51] <Computer__Guru> it's worth trying before you go pulling your hair out
[09:51] <slask3n_> dabaR, nothing..
[09:51] <Eilonwy05> I'll try that and see, I'll be back if it doesn't
[09:51] <Eilonwy05> :)
[09:51] <dabaR> slask3n_: where is he?
[09:52] <dabaR> he should have sudo access.
[09:53] <slask3n_> dabaR, i installed ubuntu as server-expert, and created a user called admin and booted up, and it aint added in etcsudeoers it says when i try to sudo
[09:53] <dabaR> so user name is admin?
[09:53] <slask3n_> dabaR, yes
[09:54] <dabaR> ok, slask3n_ assuming you are not hacking this machine(unlikely I guess) go reboot, and booot into some form  of safe mode.
[09:54] <Computer__Guru> so, in your case, ubuntu's lack of a root account has really come 'round to bite you ont he ass, huh
[09:54] <dabaR> THat should sign you in as the root into a console.
[09:54] <Computer__Guru> safe mode?
[09:54] <learn25> Hi. Anybody here successfully installed and run PHP pages under Ubuntu 5.04? I have installed it but still having problems. ;-(
[09:54] <dabaR> something like that.
[09:54] <Computer__Guru> im confused now
[09:54] <Madpilot> !lamp
[09:54] <dabaR> learn25: are you talking about as server, or as client?
[09:54] <ubotu> lamp is, like, Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary
[09:54] <slask3n_> dabaR: should i just format or is it fixable? no im not hacking, its a old server i have that i want to test linux as server on so i can learn..
[09:55] <learn25> the server. PHP 4.
[09:55] <learn25> i installed it
[09:55] <Madpilot> learn25: see the URL that ubotu just posted
[09:55] <slask3n_> dabaR: how do i boot into safemode in ubuntu?
[09:55] <dabaR> slask3n_: ya, you should reboot, and choose some form of asfe mode.
[09:55] <learn25> where?
[09:55] <dabaR> cant remember,.
[09:55] <dabaR> you have to boot, and select the grub option that means that.
[09:55] <dabaR> lets look at your menu.lst
[09:55] <slask3n_> ok =)
[09:55] <slask3n_> 2 sec
[09:55] <Madpilot> learn25: see ubotu's post about two above my last one
[09:56] <dabaR> it is called recovery mode.
[09:56] <learn25> ok
[09:56] <learn25> thanks
[09:56] <dabaR> ok, well good luck
[09:56] <Computer__Guru> i wonder if laszlo has a platformless implication yet
[09:56] <dabaR> you should be root once you boot that.
[09:56] <Computer__Guru> they were working on that
[09:56] <slask3n_> dabaR, its a slow computer, so it takes a while to boot..
[09:56] <dabaR> and then add your user to sudoers file, or admin group if it is a hoary insatll.
[09:57] <dabaR> slask3n_: well, cant helo you there.
[09:57] <visor> anybody has a samba share mounting on boot time and got it working?
[09:58] <dabaR> visor: yes many, looked at the wiki about samba?
[09:58] <visor> dabaR: no, let me see but i dont think it will help
[09:58] <slask3n_> dabaR: "Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-386 (recovery mode)" in GRUB i guess? yes its hoary and i just add it in visudo, so can i fix it later if i need to
[09:58] <joevandyk> How can I get my wireless nic to be activated on boot?
[09:58] <dabaR> go look at wiki.ubuntu.com and search for samba
[09:59] <joevandyk> I always have to go to the network manager and activate it.
[09:59] <Eilonwy05> hmmmm... it's not a jumper issue with the optical drives -- there *are* no jumpers on either drive.  These are going in a laptop, btw, proprietary interface on a Dell Inspiron 9300
[09:59] <visor> dabaR: could you point me the URL please? of the wiki for course
[09:59] <dabaR> slask3n_: yes, looks about right. in hoary, you dont need to edit the sudoers file. Just add the user to the admin group, I believe.
[09:59] <Madpilot> visor: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[09:59] <dabaR> visor: my post uup there has a link.
[10:00] <visor> oh i just found it, thanks
[10:00] <wizo> hmmm, my apache doesnt have error logs or anything
[10:00] <Computer__Guru> Applications that provide data integration via XML over HTTP may be deployed SOLO (Standalone OpenLaszlo Output) from any HTTP Web server. This capability dramatically simplifies deployment and reduces serving costs.
[10:00] <Computer__Guru> w00t
[10:00] <slask3n_> dabaR: how do i do that? its console and ive only added users in the graphical tools
[10:01] <Computer__Guru> looks like laszlo is gonna be worth having a look at again :)
[10:01] <visor> dabaR: i thought so, there is no info, or not enough
[10:01] <dabaR> sudo adduser admin username
[10:01] <dabaR> I believe, it should be that.
[10:01] <Computer__Guru> Eilonwy05:  oh, i dont know
[10:01] <macintoshr> does anyone know if there is a quake port for linux that works under ubuntu?
[10:01] <macintoshr> quake 1?
[10:01] <slask3n_> ok, thanks alot =)
[10:01] <Computer__Guru> Eilonwy05:  lspci
[10:01] <visor> dabaR: thing is that mounting with smbmount works but not within fstab
[10:02] <Computer__Guru> Eilonwy05:  or dmesg | grep -i ide
[10:02] <slask3n_> but arent ubuntu more secure than this?? what if one of my friends discover this? :s
[10:02] <Computer__Guru> discover what?
[10:03] <slask3n_> dabaR: are there any wy to disable the recovery mode, or at least password protect it some way
[10:03] <dabaR> visor: fix your entry in fstab.
[10:03] <visor> man this samba thing is just a hell, its just a bunch of problems like anything else that has to do with "please support the other OSes things/codecs"
[10:03] <Computer__Guru> smbmount doesnt work within fstab?? what about type smbfs
[10:03] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: the recovery mode in GRUB during boot, that gives you root privelegies
[10:03] <Computer__Guru> visor:  actually it's much MORE frustrating than most anything else :D
[10:03] <visor> dabaR: its ok, the line its just ok, but it seems that the options about codepage and charset are not respected, so it mounts but without the right codepage
[10:03] <dabaR>  set a boot password:)
[10:04] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  you can set a password iny our grub config file
[10:04] <visor> Computer__Guru: yes it is, samba has always given me headaches
[10:04] <alex1221> hi. has anyone an idea how i can let start my ubuntu its vncserver from startup, so i can write my username and password though vnc to login the computer and work with that without to be at the computer?
[10:04] <visor> im going for NFS, i think is safer and i dont really want to have windows network support
[10:04] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  then your friends would need to know the password before they could do anything more than select a simple menu entry
[10:04] <Computer__Guru> alex1221:  man vncserver
[10:05] <anacron> alex1221: i think ubuntu does start vnc from startup automaticly
[10:05] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: i want to boot the computer as normal, but i want password if they want to enter the grub menu.. is that wha it does?
[10:05] <Eilonwy05> Computer__Guru: Am I wrong, or doesn't Hoary use libata to treat all ide devices as scsi?  I already checked dmesg output, it detects my ide HDD as sda, at SCSI address 0,0,0... but no mention of my optical drive
[10:05] <alex1221> :) yes it starts only AFTER i entered the username and password
[10:05] <Computer__Guru> Eilonwy05:  if its a standard atapi drive it should just work.. i hate to say this but maybe reset your config data in the laptop bios
[10:06] <dabaR> later
[10:06] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  i dont know about grub. but i know this is functionality that lilo has
[10:06] <visor> that is the kind of things that makes users run away from windows
[10:06] <visor> from linux i mean
[10:06] <Computer__Guru> visor:  are you still on about samba?
[10:06] <visor> having to read 6 days trough 200 forums just to share a directory
[10:06] <wizo> hmm, i cant seem to access my apache logs, i get the error: (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::] :78 no listening sockets available, shutting down Unable to open logs
[10:06] <visor> Computer__Guru: yep, still
[10:07] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: whats best of lilo and grub anyway? always wondered..
[10:07] <joevandyk> slask3n_, grub seems to be more popular now.
[10:07] <joevandyk> slask3n_, no idea why though.  i always preferred lilo.  simpler
[10:07] <Computer__Guru> grub supports reiserfs, dont know that lilo does, as i usually use ext3.. but from what i gather its a preference thing.. i prefer lilo, cause im comfortable with it
[10:07] <Eilonwy05> slask3n_: grub usually plays nicer with windows, and doesn't need reconfigure after a new kernel
[10:08] <Computer__Guru> plays nicer with windows?
[10:08] <Computer__Guru> ever
[10:08] <visor> Computer__Guru: its not a complain, i just can add a little script at startup that mounts the damn share with the smbmount command, and im done, but not everybody knows about all of this, and if i wasnt a geek i would probably been running by know from linux because i could accomplish something
[10:08] <Computer__Guru> *shrug*
[10:08] <joevandyk> I'm using Hoary 64 bit... in what repository is the DVD playback decss stuff?
[10:09] <Computer__Guru> visor:  mount -t smbfs /network/share /local/place
[10:09] <joevandyk> and does transcode not work in 64 bit mode?  I don't see it in there
[10:09] <Computer__Guru> backports
[10:09] <visor> Computer__Guru: i know, that is not the problem
[10:09] <Computer__Guru> !backports
[10:09] <ubotu> somebody said backports was http://backports.ubuntuforums.org | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[10:10] <Computer__Guru> what's the problem, then? I must be missing something
[10:10] <visor> Computer__Guru: i want to mount this on boot time, so i go, edit the fstab, add the line, but strangely in fstab the codepage and iocharset options are not respected, the share mounts with default encoding, so i have to remount, this is technology, technology is to facilitate work, not to give us more
[10:10] <slask3n_> Eilonwy05: what it does with windows i dont give a fuck about, windows aint coming near my computer before many years after my death! :P but if its much trouble while changing kernel i think grub is better.. i used lilo on mandrake, but that was the first distro i ever used, so i almost was too n00b to understand what it even was :P
[10:11] <Computer__Guru> visor:  i agree. best bet is that script you were on about
[10:11] <ricosuave17> is there a package for mysql?
[10:11] <Computer__Guru> yeah
[10:11] <slask3n_> ricosuave17: apt-get install mysql
[10:11] <Computer__Guru> mysql
[10:11] <visor> Computer__Guru: yeah, ir switching to NFS which i think will work easier than this samba-for-gods-and-masters-of-universe thing
[10:11] <ricosuave17> it says there is none
[10:11] <Computer__Guru> nfs mmmmmmm
[10:11] <Computer__Guru> nfs is good
[10:12] <Computer__Guru> you can nfs mount /etc if u want :D
[10:12] <visor> Computer__Guru: but yet, my complain is about that this kind of things get away users from linux
[10:12] <Computer__Guru> pretty much anything except /boot
[10:12] <Computer__Guru> heh
[10:12] <visor> Computer__Guru: because most people dont know about this codepage things, permissions, charsets, etc...
[10:12] <slask3n_> ricosuave17: do you have synaptic? serach for mysql there
[10:12] <Computer__Guru> heh
[10:12] <Computer__Guru> well
[10:12] <visor> Computer__Guru: those are just too many options to figure it out, its not practical
[10:13] <thor|away> ricosuave17: apt-cache search mysql | less
[10:13] <slask3n_> ricosuave17: the packagename is mysql-server and mysql-client
[10:13] <joevandyk> I need to update Ruby to a non-broken version.  What's the best way to do it?
[10:13] <joevandyk> Just download, compile and install?
[10:13] <Madpilot> ricosuave17: you need apache & other stuff to run mysql
[10:13] <Computer__Guru> mount with nfs works pretty well.. ive seen entire networks run so beautifully via nfs.. and everything is setup so that you change one configuration detail and it propogates network-wide instantly
[10:14] <Computer__Guru> if you know how to set one of those up right
[10:14] <visor> Computer__Guru: my brother is always complaining, because i have blocked windows from grub so he has to use linux, but he says that why if i say that linux is so good im always reading and taking tons of time to do something that is trivial for him
[10:14] <ricosuave17> well then what is the open alternative for databases?
[10:14] <Computer__Guru> you will never be poor :)
[10:14] <mf_> hi ! What is the name of the partitionning tool that Is used during the install? I'd have some other things to change..
[10:14] <visor> mf_: fdisk, but you can always use something more user-friendly, like gparted, kind of partition magic
[10:15] <Computer__Guru> visor:  i'd rather have some clue as to what im actually doing.. that's worth the few minutes required to learn what youre doing
[10:15] <Computer__Guru> cfdisk is nice
[10:15] <mf_> I can't see a way to set mountpoints with gparted
[10:16] <mf_> I am not very familiar with the fstab.. under mandrake I would use diskdrake but here.. i'm lost
[10:16] <visor> Computer__Guru: yep, im applying for software engineering for example, i like to mess with this things, but people like my brother, they dont give a darn about this fascnicating world of technology, for them its frustrating, and this is not only in linux, is on any os
[10:16] <Madpilot> ricosuave17: apache & everything else *is* opensource. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary
[10:16] <visor> mf_: than if you are a bit lost with gparted than run away from fdisk as its harder to use :P
[10:16] <slask3n_> Madpilot: you dont need apache just to run an mysql database
[10:16] <ricosuave17> no all i want is to make a database
[10:17] <Computer__Guru> visor:  yeah, but take into account that microsoft has raised an entire generation of users who do not even know how to navigate a filesystem. and i dont just mean cli, some of them don't know anything exists beyond "My Documents" on their computer by way of files they can get to
[10:17] <mf_> visor: I dont believe it was fdisk because it had a ncurses interface
[10:17] <Madpilot> slask3n_: no? OK, sorry. still learning all that stuff myself
[10:17] <slask3n_> ricosuave17: apt-get install mysql-server and it will fix the rest itself
[10:17] <ricosuave17> but i dont want mysql-server anymore its to much shit\
[10:18] <visor> mf_: it was fdisk with a frontend i think
[10:18] <slask3n_> Madpilot: apache is an webserver, if you want to host webpages that connects to the mysql database you nedd apache
[10:18] <slask3n_> ricosuave17: what shit?
[10:18] <Computer__Guru> mf_:  that was a scripted frontend to fdisk or maybe cfdisk. it was part of the install script
[10:19] <mf_> ok
[10:19] <ricosuave17> the mysql server
[10:19] <mf_> Now is there another way to set my mount points than editing fstab ?
[10:19] <holycow> Computer__Guru, good point, i would like to add that that in and of it self is not their biggest evil
[10:19] <Computer__Guru> yeah, you setup /etc/fstab manually after you create the partition and filesystem on it
[10:19] <slask3n_> ricosuave17: what do you want to do?
[10:19] <visor> Computer__Guru: yeah, i know, and much of the blame i give it to patents and formats and things like that, people in linux for example always complain about samba, mp3 support, wmv support, and the like, if we just encouraged to use things natively like ogg, nfs, theora and so forth, then we may be out of trouble, or at least we would had a lot less problems than we do now
[10:19] <ricosuave17> make a simple database
[10:19] <holycow> their biggest evil commited is teaching users that they can be 'administrators' without training
[10:20] <holycow> as such as long as a user understands they are just a user, they shouldn't know what a file system is really imho
[10:20] <visor> mf_: you want to add a partition? or what? (like adding it to fstab for mounting it and accessing it)
[10:20] <holycow> >_>
[10:20] <slask3n_> ricosuave17: what is the database to be used for? is it going to be big?
[10:20] <ricosuave17> nop small as hell
[10:20] <mf_> I have lot of partitions that I'd like to mount
[10:21] <visor> mf_: than you will have to add them manually...
[10:21] <visor> you see
[10:21] <visor> thats the kind of thing
[10:21] <visor> a user should be doing
[10:21] <visor> adding partitions to mount them
[10:21] <visor> if the installer found partitions it should at least ask to add them to the fstab
[10:21] <Computer__Guru> it's not about US encouraging oggvorbis, xvid, nfs, and the likes... WE do. It's about getting the COMMERCIAL computing world to accept these as standards (we know they already are, but if we call it http and microsoft arbitrarily decides to call theirs mac-and-cheese with a couple changes, we better have our own brand of mac-and-cheese if we want to stay competitive int he world
[10:21] <Computer__Guru> )
[10:21] <slask3n_> ricosuave17: if it is going to be REAL small the best might be making an XML-database, i have no idea of how to do so, but ive heard its possible..
[10:22] <ricosuave17> ok werid
[10:22] <holycow> Computer__Guru, good point
[10:23] <visor> and its not because if windows does one thing, we should have it too, no, but yet we still need abstraction from the core to the final user
[10:23] <Computer__Guru> it doesn't matter how much we like xvid and use it, as long as microsoft decides to stick with wmv9, we better be able to support it and support it well if we're talking to anyone anywhere about them maybe running a media streaming site
[10:23] <holycow> Computer__Guru, we will NEVER be able to support it freely
[10:23] <holycow> its not going to happen
[10:24] <IceDC571> i am so happy to be back in ubuntu
[10:24] <holycow> ms believes that intellectual property exists and wants to charge for it
[10:24] <Computer__Guru> holycow:  someone COULD write a codec from scratch, then it would be open :)
[10:24] <IceDC571> i just switched back from fedora
[10:24] <holycow> i.e. we may be able to put together a player where the codec is licenced
[10:24] <holycow> something we can sell linux users
[10:24] <holycow> BUT
[10:24] <holycow> as lindows found out, you cannot actually licence all of wmv technology
[10:25] <holycow> they tried and ms basically said you cant licence it because it is 'part of the os' and they don't licence out the os
[10:25] <visor> for example, imagine distro makers putting effort on nfs for the desktop to have easy share features, leaving support (or at least leaving bug tracking) to the maintainers of samba, because samba is mainly a thing that is decided from MS, which is not bad, the bad is that as long as we dont control the standard we always have to watch changes and adapt them
[10:25] <IceDC571> if i had two words to descibe ubuntu, it would be.. everything works
[10:25] <Computer__Guru> at least not for third party apps as such
[10:26] <holycow> Computer__Guru, in other words, a: they wont let us, and b: you will never be able to reverse engineer the protected stuff legally anyway even if we try
[10:26] <visor> and yes, we need more enterprise support to reach all of the points
[10:26] <Computer__Guru> and the price of licensing windows would defeat the existance of lindows :D
[10:26] <holycow> thats the point, exactly
[10:26] <Computer__Guru> IceDC571:  as long as you dont fuck with it :D
[10:26] <Computer__Guru> trust me, youc an break stuff :D:D
[10:26] <holycow> as would any other technology they setup as a 'moat' around their little kingdom
[10:27] <visor> but theres still many things that can be done and that dont have much to do with patents
[10:27] <Computer__Guru> yeah well screw em.. even the precompiled, wuss-codecs mplayer package plays wmv, it just bitches a little
[10:27] <holycow> visor, you might want to note that samba4 is supposed to supercede its original vision .... going from 'ms tranlsator' to 'general purpose file sharing platform'
[10:27] <IceDC571> Computer__Guru: after all these years, i hate fedora.. i swear it has a magnet pulling me in every year
[10:27] <holycow> one that could theoretically sit on top of all platforms to let them interoperate
[10:27] <Computer__Guru> i hate anything rpm based
[10:28] <holycow> an idea i like in concept, because i never understood why we ever bother to reverse engineer ms stuff
[10:28] <slask3n_> fucking M$ not only do they patent everything but they dont even make their software complete before releasing it! :s they have understood that you earn more money if you make it halfway and realease it, and then update it online the next 10 years, until they release another version, then people must buy it because the old one is so crappy...
[10:28] <visor> like the distro finding partitions and automagically mounting them, finding network resources (like smb, nfs...), better search tools
[10:28] <IceDC571> first time i tried installing fedora core 4, the installation always crashed i found out the problem was it crashes on any P4 socket 423 chips.. so i bought a new board and cpu just to install fedora
[10:29] <wizo> lol
[10:29] <joevandyk> Will Breezy support OO 2?
[10:29] <wizo> wanna donate the oldone ot me?
[10:29] <IceDC571> now i dont like fedora at all, i cant install anything properly, have to recompile the kernel just for a driver
[10:29] <holycow> visor, i think skipping entire groups of ms technologies and 'innovating' around and over top of them is better
[10:29] <Computer__Guru> holycow:  because the laws around reverse engineering are written in washable marker at best... clever use of lawyers can go a long ways towards forming an interpretation as to what reverse engineering is, and how many different ways you didnt do exactly that :D
[10:29] <holycow> for example i was recently consulting for a company that wanted to put together a music store
[10:29] <holycow> never mind the stupidity of the idea, but in the end, they had to go with ms drm BECAUSE there wasnt a viable alternative
[10:30] <holycow> if they had a cross platform open source a la carte system to purchase, it would of been a done deal
[10:30] <visor> we linux users always criticize windows, and for example i have found that, if you install packageA.deb and it has 20 deps than when you come back and uninstall packageA then all deps are left, i know i can use this aptitude thing, yet again it is not integrated by default, and it is not easy to use
[10:30] <IceDC571> wizo: it was actually not too bad of a computer, a pentium 4 1.7ghz, ive had no problems with it
[10:30] <Computer__Guru> visor:  bravo.
[10:30] <wizo> holly mamamia
[10:30] <holycow> visor, how is apt not easy to use?
[10:30] <holycow> that is a truly stupid observation
[10:30] <wizo> IceDC571: wanna donate it to me? im running on 900MHz
[10:31] <Computer__Guru> visor:  but you can bet your ass ScreenSaverOfTheWeek.Exe leaves it's libraries behind when you 86 it, too
[10:31] <visor> holycow: my friends do not want to be reading man pages, its just not practical, they are users
[10:31] <holycow> visor, what does haveto do with leaving libraries behind?
[10:31] <Computer__Guru> visor:  *I* am a user.
[10:31] <Computer__Guru> nothing more
[10:31] <visor> Computer__Guru: i know, thats why i said like windows
[10:31] <Computer__Guru> im an end user
[10:31] <visor> Computer__Guru: windows does this
[10:31] <IceDC571> wizo: where are you at? have any money? i wont ask for much
[10:31] <wizo> im in melbourne
[10:31] <visor> Computer__Guru: and so linux distros, most of them
[10:31] <Computer__Guru> windows [xp]  does a hell of a lot, these days
[10:31] <holycow> visor, no it doesn't
[10:31] <holycow> heh
[10:31] <Computer__Guru> xp is flat-out solid
[10:32] <wizo> lolx, but i only have a laptop
[10:32] <holycow> have you ever had to clean a windows box?
[10:32] <IceDC571> wizo: australia??
[10:32] <Computer__Guru> i just prefer linux
[10:32] <wizo> so even if i get a new mobo and a cpu i wont be able to use it
[10:32] <wizo> IceDC571: yeh Melbourne, Australia
[10:32] <holycow> if you think linux is bad you really have never maintained windows for a living, i'm guessing
[10:32] <Computer__Guru> ive maintained both :)
[10:32] <IceDC571> ack, shipping must be a lot.. sorry, i really dont want to bother paying for it
[10:32] <Computer__Guru> for fun and for a living
[10:33] <wizo> haha i kow
[10:33] <Computer__Guru> heh
[10:33] <wizo> IceDC571: where u at?
[10:33] <visor> holycow: then how do you explain to me, that if i install something, say in 2 months installed 10 packages which took 100mb but it happens that when i uninstall them my disk has less space than i had initially, thats because dependencies arent uninstalled by default
[10:33] <visor> and i swear im not trolling
[10:33] <IceDC571> wizo: im in california
[10:33] <visor> i love linux
[10:33] <wizo> O.O
[10:33] <Computer__Guru> neither are dependencies in windows
[10:33] <holycow> visor, why are you so hung up on shared libraries and dependencies?
[10:33] <visor> have 8 years using it
[10:33] <LiberalTugboat> hey can I get a favor from you guys
[10:33] <holycow> how does that impact your computer use in any way?
[10:33] <wizo> IceDC571: lol, yur like on the other side of the earth
[10:33] <Computer__Guru> LiberalTugboat:  whats up?
[10:34] <holycow> hard drives are so cheap as we move forward its a moot question
[10:34] <holycow> its okay i'm just answering you :)
[10:34] <visor> holycow: in space, not everybody has 200gb disk
[10:34] <Computer__Guru> holycow:  well, by way of the registry, it can slow things down quite a bit to have a bunch of shit registered that isnt being used anymore
[10:34] <LiberalTugboat> I was just wanting someone with an nvidia video card to post their xorg.conf
[10:34] <holycow> visor, have you ever managed to clean out all the registry and all the dlls and crap dropped into all the windows folders?
[10:34] <Computer__Guru> LiberalTugboat:  oh. im ati, sorry
[10:34] <IceDC571> wizo: yeah seriously. so whats the weather like over there?
[10:34] <holycow> not everything is in /programs on a windows box you know?
[10:34] <visor> holycow: no, because i dont like to use windows :P
[10:34] <LiberalTugboat> I am using fedora on one of my boxes and I want to configure it right
[10:35] <visor> holycow: but that is exactly what i mean, its not what windows does, its not like "hey but windows has this too"
[10:35] <LiberalTugboat> dont worry my laptop is ubuntu
[10:35] <Computer__Guru> nothing at all is in /programs, but a good deal of it is in %SYSTEMROOT%\Progra~1\
[10:35] <holycow> visor, i don't get the complaint them, what am i missing?
[10:35] <wizo> IceDC571: its currently winter here, pretty chilly due to the wind chill factor, what about cali?
[10:35] <LiberalTugboat> though I will say with the new 2.6.12 kernel on FC4 it is SUPER FAST!!
[10:36] <Tomcat_> About topic: How is Firefox broken?
[10:36] <Computer__Guru> or c:\Program Files\ for most windows users
[10:36] <visor> holycow: see, windows has problems with registry, dependencies and the like ok?
[10:36] <LiberalTugboat> Tomcat_, firefox is broken 18 ways from saturday
[10:36] <benplaut> Tomcat_: the 1.06 update in backports was broken
[10:36] <visor> holycow: but that is no reason for saying that if a linux distro have them, then its ok because windows does too
[10:36] <Computer__Guru> my firefox works just fine
[10:36] <LiberalTugboat> closes unexpectidly
[10:36] <joevandyk> Openoffice is pretty broken for 64 bit, right?
[10:36] <holycow> and the fact that everything on windows is simply wrong, okay ...
[10:36] <Tomcat_> Mine works fine as well... o_O
[10:37] <Computer__Guru> simply wrong?
[10:37] <LiberalTugboat> my firefox wont download when you left click on links
[10:37] <holycow> visor, i think you need to rethink how you do your platform comparisons
[10:37] <Tomcat_> I had that "close unexpectedly"... :I
[10:37] <Tomcat_> Oh well, still usable.
[10:37] <Computer__Guru> windows is fine, it's who uses it that determines the overall experience
[10:37] <holycow> first, windows was designed in the 80's on an adhoc basis
[10:37] <LiberalTugboat> I have heard of people with crashing
[10:37] <visor> and so if windows do have deps problems, registry, virus, adware etc... it doesnt mean we should make a solution for dependencies in linux (which are, of course, easier to fix than in windows)
[10:37] <ploum> Hello
[10:37] <holycow> they added stuff to it as the market demanded
[10:37] <ploum> can someone point me to the detailled Ubuntu roadmap please ?
[10:37] <holycow> unix on the other hand was designed in a lab by proffesors and theoreticians
[10:38] <holycow> which is why its 30 plus years old without a lot of change, it didn't need to change
[10:38] <LiberalTugboat> ploum... new release every six months
[10:38] <visor> holycow: maybe i didnt make myself clear, sorry but english is not my main language :P
[10:38] <IceDC571> wizo: that is strange.. winter in july, eh? its the opposite here, we are at about 100F degrees.. which is like insanely hott
[10:38] <Computer__Guru> wtf is a theoretician?!?
[10:38] <Computer__Guru> u made that shit up
[10:38] <LiberalTugboat> that means April and October
[10:38] <holycow> windows dependency issues are therefore not the same as linux based dependency issues
[10:38] <ploum> LiberalTugboat, the detailled please. With freeze date, beta release, etc...
[10:38] <LiberalTugboat> umm
[10:38] <holycow> i.e. all you are really saying is why doesn't apt track the extraneous libraries
[10:38] <LiberalTugboat> there is one in the wiki
[10:39] <holycow> which is an okay thing to complain about, but in reality it has 0 impact because it's not a problem
[10:39] <holycow> you can always remove them manually if you want
[10:39] <LiberalTugboat> its under the "breezygoals" page
[10:39] <holycow> super simple, one installer, one package, one way to do things
[10:39] <LiberalTugboat> though I dont think there is to many "solid dates"
[10:39] <holycow> i'm certain if someone wanted to, they can extend synaptic to track this, or apt
[10:39] <Computer__Guru> eh
[10:39] <Computer__Guru> its a word
[10:39] <Computer__Guru> DRAT! FOILED ONCE AGAIN
[10:40] <LiberalTugboat> holycow, with shared dependencies if there is a security flaw then one patch can fix every program on your system
[10:40] <holycow> but the reality of the situation is that on a unix system, a) its not a big deal b) hard drive spaces are so cheap it doesnt matter c) they don't really affect anything because the system is robust so leaving them really doesn't affect things (where on windows it usually does)
[10:40] <visor> holycow: what i only mean is, that linux in general has this problem, you install a package, dependencies are installed too, then when the packages gets uninstalled dependencies are left behind, i dont know you but my synaptic by default doesnt this, and i know aptitude does it, and using apt-get, dselect or whatever command line tool does it too, but if i was a user that is not a geek i would know this dependencies are left there, and my
[10:40] <visor>  disk would be full of them
[10:40] <thespiritoftal> is there any way I can open *.rar archives in linux?
[10:40] <holycow> and the most impotant one is what LiberalTugboat
[10:40] <LiberalTugboat> if you have all dependecies packages with each program that you have to update every program that has the library
[10:40] <visor> and it was only an example
[10:41] <parabolize> visor, use aptitude
[10:41] <holycow> visor, the reason we use shared dependencies is that when its shared a problem can be fixed with one change to the whole system
[10:41] <holycow> yor complaint therefore is completely invalid
[10:41] <Computer__Guru> thing is what if i install package a which requires library b then i install package c which also requires library b, what if i then remove package a? will it also remove library b?
[10:41] <EdLin> visor, install deborphan
[10:41] <holycow> visor, what i'm saying is that its not a problem
[10:41] <visor> parabolize: i can, ill do, but many people wont because its not the way to go
[10:41] <holycow> you just think its a problem because your used to using windows
[10:41] <visor> holycow: no, im more used to linux by know believe me
[10:41] <LiberalTugboat> visor, it also lowers resourse usage
[10:42] <visor> holycow: how many years you been using unix/linux?
[10:42] <holycow> probably not as long as you :) don't mistake my enthusiasm for more than that
[10:42] <LiberalTugboat> static libraries is NOT the fix for dependecy problems
[10:42] <LiberalTugboat> following LSB is the solution
[10:42] <holycow> right i agree
[10:42] <thespiritoftal> is there anyway to open rar archive in linux?
[10:43] <wizo> thespiritoftal: tar
[10:43] <Computer__Guru> by now, not by know (now, a point in time referring to this instance, and know, understanding and familiarity with something. Know is also biblical slang for marital-relations.)
[10:43] <wizo> err i mean
[10:43] <Burgundavia> LiberalTugboat, the lsb is not a panacea
[10:43] <visor> holycow: no, i just asked to let you know that im not a windows fan, i have many years using linux, if id be frustrated i wont be using it in this very moment
[10:43] <wizo> gzip
[10:43] <EdLin> thespiritoftal, unrar
[10:43] <holycow> thespiritoftal, you can also install rar and unrar, then the file roller can open them up
[10:43] <LiberalTugboat> Burgundavia, yeah but it is a very good start
[10:43] <Computer__Guru> every time adam knew eve, they spit out another kid
[10:43] <holycow> visor, *nod* :) me too, i've been using it 100% of the time for over a year now
[10:44] <holycow> 2 to 3 years total use
[10:44] <wizo> hmm, im reading the man for apache 2, and at the bottom of the man it lists out the files that i do nto have
[10:44] <LiberalTugboat> trying to get distros to work together and with each other is the MOST IMPORTANT thing that linux needs right now
[10:44] <wizo> for example: /usr/local/apache2/conf/apache2.conf
[10:44] <holycow> i switched everything to linux, although occasionally i haveto bring up dreamweaver and adobe products under vmware
[10:44] <Computer__Guru> LiberalTugboat:  they do.
[10:44] <LiberalTugboat> we have the technology and the resources, but they need to work together
[10:44] <Computer__Guru> vmware pwnz
[10:44] <visor> and in those years it has evolved just incredibly fast but yet it has its misfeatures
[10:44] <Computer__Guru> xp inside linux
[10:45] <holycow> visor, i don't see any misfeatures at all
[10:45] <Computer__Guru> and like visor, i only use it for a macromedia product :D
[10:45] <holycow> imho 'gnome' is doing everythign right
[10:45] <visor> holycow: for example, do you know what gnome-vfs is?
[10:45] <holycow> for example, the places file system shortcut in 2.10 is beyond brilliant
[10:45] <desrt> holycow; aren't you at all worried that gnome isn't stetic enough?
[10:45] <holycow> yep
[10:45] <Computer__Guru> but mine is fireworks
[10:45] <Computer__Guru> dreamweaver runs under crossover office :D
[10:45] <benplaut> LiberalTugboat: here here!
[10:45] <Computer__Guru> and runs well
[10:45] <benplaut> yup
[10:45] <holycow> desrt, aesthetic you mean?  i just add a theme, i don't see the problem
[10:45] <desrt> holycow; no.  i mean stetic :)
[10:46] <parabolize> holycow, bahh, I still hate metacity and nautilus desktop icons.
[10:46] <visor> holycow: well it works only on about 4 apps within gnome, i know this is a developer thing, but the user dont give a damn whose fault is
[10:46] <desrt> google it :P
[10:46] <benplaut> doesn't help with the fact that i can't figure out the program, but anyway
[10:46] <LiberalTugboat> parabolize, icons is not the point
[10:46] <Computer__Guru> i need a burrito
[10:46] <Computer__Guru> i shall return
[10:46] <holycow> visor, oh well thats because this is still under development
[10:46] <LiberalTugboat> thats just skining and look
[10:46] <visor> holycow: and about the places its great, but if i want to add some bookmark i have to open the text editor or some program to add it from the gtk-file-selector, that, isnt practical
[10:46] <holycow> yeah sure i can point to lots of things too, but all that is being worked on as we progress
[10:46] <LiberalTugboat> what he means is the underlying compents of gnome
[10:47] <desrt> "KDE is more stable, stetic, fully multitasking and much, much more."
[10:47] <holycow> my pet peeve is not having a dialog to let the user pick the monitor make and model so correct refresh rates can be determined without jumping to xorg.conf
[10:47] <holycow> but that is being worked on too
[10:47] <benplaut> think of how great Linux would be if all of the developers only worked on 4 versions
[10:47] <holycow> visor, i open an app, i open a file select, hit add, i don't see that as a problem
[10:47] <benplaut> with all interconnection, so it's easy to switch from one to another
[10:47] <holycow> visor, your looking at the glass as half empty
[10:48] <aspro> benplaut dont bother going there
[10:48] <joevandyk> Is breezy going to come with OpenOffice 2.0?
[10:48] <aspro> :)
[10:48] <benplaut> one geeky, one new-userish, one serverm and one enterprise
[10:48] <visor> holycow: i left my brother on the other machine, he wanted to listen to his music so he opens rhythmbox which crashes when loading the files, i told him to open xmms, and it wont open files trhough the network because it doesnt have vfs support so i have to mount manually the share where the files lay....
[10:48] <holycow> visor, i look at all of this and go 'holy shit it's free! and hey i can hire someone to code things up for me! i can submit patches! i can particapate'
[10:48] <benplaut> aspro: i know... i will be flamed
[10:48] <benplaut> i could care less
[10:48] <holycow> visor, your fault
[10:48] <holycow> heh
[10:48] <visor> holycow: i know, this is more than i deserve for free ;)
[10:48] <holycow> :) never ever let anyone use rhythm box
[10:48] <benplaut> it's Linux's greatest flaw
[10:48] <holycow> have him use muine or beep media player
[10:48] <benplaut> it can't consolidate
[10:49] <holycow> benplaut, for people that need a 'god' to tell them how to do things or how it ought to be, there is always steve jobs or bill gates
[10:49] <holycow> one CAN choose to submit to their way
[10:49] <Tirno> hi all. where should I look to find out how to get my firefox back to a non-segfaulting state?
[10:49] <visor> holycow: and im not a ungrateful bas....rd, i have given away money to make talks about free software, really, much money, i have installed linux on schools, report bugs, and so on, so i dont feel like i dont deserve it ;)
[10:49] <holycow> or one CAN choose to denounce submission to a third party and take responsobility that it entails
[10:50] <holycow> which basically means you take responsobility for the fact that I DON'T agree with any of your choices, the very reason that freedom will never mean 'consolidate'
[10:50] <aspro> holycow: it appears you are too far away form the RDF please mover a little closer :P
[10:50] <desrt> Tirno; you mean wrt. extensions?
[10:50] <benplaut> holycow: i know... i know... i'm just thinking how much more usccessful it would be with all the devs working on 4 or 5 distros
[10:50] <visor> i hope this is seen as a chat rather than fighting ;)
[10:50] <holycow> visor, not saying otherwise :) you are right, its not a polished product, i don't see why linux has to compete with ms or osx
[10:51] <holycow> whats with everyones fascination with marketshare? who care?
[10:51] <holycow> let ma and pa use windows
[10:51] <holycow> it just means we have permanent jobs
[10:51] <benplaut> and let a single generation use linux?
[10:51] <benplaut> we need growth, for the time being
[10:51] <visor> holycow: well maybe thats the difference, i want linux on the desktop, for all the people, and well you dont seem to mind about it :P
[10:51] <holycow> i have a pilot of debian in a few of our offices, you know what i discovered? after 2 weeks i get no phone calls.  linux will kill the tech support industry
[10:51] <desrt> ma and pa should use linux
[10:52] <aspro> holycow: its because open source is like a religion now.. people need to evangelise
[10:52] <aspro> :P
[10:52] <benplaut> not really...
[10:52] <CarinArr> hey, probably the wrong channel, but thought i'd ask anyway. I'm running ubuntu, some of my applications are based on motif, is there any way to customise their look & feel? They look pretty ugly and chunky atm
[10:52] <holycow> aspro, something as diverse as open source will never be a religion
[10:52] <benplaut> we need to spread, but not to a point of making people think we're fanatics :P
[10:52] <LiberalTugboat> hey.. can some one with an Nvidia VC paste their xorg.conf for me?
[10:52] <desrt> CarinArr; i think some motif stuff can be customised with Xresources
[10:52] <visor> CarinArr: i dont think so, they are basically ugly because motif is
[10:52] <holycow> aspro, one of the defining things about open source for newbs is how overwhelmingly disparate the choices and opinions are
[10:52] <Tirno> desrt: don't know exactly. I did an update/upgrade two days ago and now firefox segfaults when I try to close tabs/open the extension dialog
[10:52] <Computer__Guru> mmmm burritos
[10:52] <holycow> the first complaint from a newb is 'why doesn't anyone agree?'
[10:53] <benplaut> Computer__Guru: join the discussion :)
[10:53] <visor> hahaha
[10:53] <aspro> holycow: yes? uh what
[10:53] <desrt> CarinArr; but really, i think you can only make it "pink and ugly" instead of "grey and ugly" :)
[10:53] <AMCDeathKnight> How can I clear totems history? like open locations e.t.c?
[10:53] <Tirno> but this only started yesterday - so I don't know whether it's linked to the broken-ness
[10:53] <Computer__Guru> whats the discussion? same as it was when i went to cook>?
[10:53] <desrt> Tirno; lots of people have this problem.  install backports :)
[10:53] <CarinArr> i read on a board that changing the look and feel was the easiest thing in the world, but noone indicated how;)
[10:53] <aspro> holycow: basically its about open or nick off :P
[10:53] <desrt> Tirno; ya.  the latest upgrade of firefox was bogus
[10:53] <CarinArr> desrt, ah k..
[10:53] <LiberalTugboat> Im fiddling with my xorg.conf on fedora and I want to see ubuntus xorg.conf (it works well on my system)
[10:53] <desrt> Tirno; you can wait for the next one or go with backports
[10:53] <holycow> aspro, heh no, see, we disagree already!
[10:53] <holycow> so much for religion
[10:53] <visor> but if we have this "hey you dont like to read a 6mb pdf ebook to admin your linux box? then go away where you came from" then say goodbye to people using free software
[10:54] <desrt> Tirno; are you comfortable enough to modify your sources.list?
[10:54] <aspro> holycow: man, i was joking duh
[10:54] <AMCDeathKnight> How can I clear totems history? like open locations e.t.c?
[10:54] <Tirno> desrt: yeah I can do that
[10:54] <Tirno> although I don't know what a backport is
[10:54] <desrt> Tirno; go to http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[10:54] <oatis> there are a few things I cant get via apt, like the mysql-query-browser package, why is this/
[10:54] <holycow> me too! i promise never to become a standup
[10:54] <holycow> -_-
[10:54] <visor> CarinArr: you want to change the motif apps look?
[10:54] <Tirno> k thanks
[10:54] <allerbest> Hi.
[10:54] <desrt> Tirno; add the two lines at the bottom of the page to sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:54] <holycow> visor, your categorizing it wrong imho
[10:54] <desrt> Tirno; it'll update to newer versions of lots of programs...  including a working firefox
[10:55] <holycow> visor, i think there are two types of users, admin and user
[10:55] <visor> holycow: why do you think that?
[10:55] <holycow> an admin requires training, a user doesn't
[10:55] <visor> holycow: aha, and then?
[10:55] <Computer__Guru> visor thats a crock
[10:55] <CarinArr> visor, yeah
[10:55] <aspro> holycow: way to simplified :P
[10:55] <Computer__Guru> if my MOM can installa nd run linux, ANYBODY can
[10:55] <LiberalTugboat> has anyone else here read the README that comes with the Nvidia binary drivers?
[10:55] <Computer__Guru> and she's been in ubunto for about three weeks :D
[10:55] <oatis> ./mysql-query-browser-bin: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3.4' not found (required by ./mysql-query-browser-bin)
[10:55] <Computer__Guru> u
[10:56] <holycow> well a user requires 'userlevel' knowledge which is markedly different from 'system admin' training
[10:56] <oatis> does anyone know how i can fix that?
[10:56] <Grafite> does anyone know much about the WINE program for linux?
[10:56] <visor> holycow: exactly, and then, isnt reading a manpage to figure out codepages to add to a file to mount shares trough the network a task for an admin rather than a user?
[10:56] <benplaut> holycow: i totally agree
[10:56] <Computer__Guru> okay
[10:56] <holycow> if we were to put up a site for computer training, i would have two main groups, user and administrator
[10:56] <Computer__Guru> ill concede that manpages are evil
[10:56] <benplaut> aye
[10:56] <AMCDeathKnight> How can I clear totems history? like open locations e.t.c?
[10:56] <allerbest> I can't get more than 640x480 on my box with Ubuntu 5.04 - can anyone help, please?
[10:56] <visor> CarinArr: the thing is that your motif apps dont use gtk so they wont ever match, and i dont really know if motif support themes or colors or something
[10:56] <Computer__Guru> and if you refer anyone other than a sysadmin to a manpage, you should be shot
[10:56] <holycow> visor, exactly, i don't think we are there yet in terms of users
[10:57] <slask3n_> how do i make the app webcam run after bootup as an service so i can start/stop it with init.d?
[10:57] <Grafite> same here aller
[10:57] <CarinArr> i know they won't match, but the standard chunky, boring mid-grey is icky
[10:57] <holycow> i don't think anyone claims its anywhere near 'done' but then this thing isn't financed, its all done part time
[10:57] <Grafite> on the live cd anyway
[10:57] <EdLin> allerbest, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:57] <allerbest> I've got a Matrox G550 AGP card an a 17" TFT with 1280x1024 attached to it (analog, with DVI I can't get a picture working at all)
[10:58] <AMCDeathKnight> How can I clear totems history? like open locations e.t.c?
[10:58] <IIIEars> allerbest - This link is pretty good
[10:58] <holycow> visor imho as long as we understand that its a work in progress then the question goes from 'why do i haveto learn to admin this thing' to 'okay its not perfect, i do have a choice of buying windows or mac'
[10:58] <IIIEars> !display
[10:58] <ubotu> display is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto or ask !Resolution
[10:58] <aspro> AMCDeathKnight: havent been watching anything we shouldnt? :P
[10:58] <holycow> and imho that is an okay thing, why do we haveto compete with them? give us time to build this stuff
[10:58] <desrt> aspro; pr0n.
[10:58] <QMario> I installed Real Player 10, but it does not run. Why doesn't it run? Does anyone know the answer to my problem?
[10:58] <Computer__Guru> holycow:  eh-hem.. ibm gave a shitload of money to like 3 different open source comminuties by way of grants.. im pretty sure they gave linus a grant too
[10:58] <desrt> aspro; worse.  goat pr0n.
[10:58] <AMCDeathKnight> shoudnt what
[10:58] <visor> and so the only thing im complaining is that if we dont abstract this things from the underpinning techonologies then we will never have normal users coming to linux, because its hard, its hard to get it running sometimes, its hard to do trivial stuff sometimes, and yes, its way much better than windows :)
[10:58] <aspro> lol
[10:58] <Computer__Guru> so uhh
[10:58] <Grafite> irc://irc.ircnet.net/linux
[10:58] <Computer__Guru> not everybody is doing it part time :D
[10:59] <holycow> Computer__Guru, well to be fair whatever ibm is giving linux is peanuts. do you know what the kernel alone is worth in devewlopment dollars?
[10:59] <holycow> someone caclulated that the 2.6.x kernel is at minimum worth 600 million
[10:59] <aspro> bull
[10:59] <Computer__Guru> somebody said like seventy billion last year at a conference
[10:59] <holycow> the 10 mil or whatever ibm gives away is nothing compared to the 600 mil they get back
[10:59] <AMCDeathKnight> help?
[10:59] <holycow> then you put together all the other projects ... you have billions in developers time donated
[10:59] <IIIEars> Ya gotta hope Ubuntu's popularity is getting the right attention or will soon.
[10:59] <Computer__Guru> maybe im thinkig linux altogether
[10:59] <holycow> no
[10:59] <holycow> kernel alone
[10:59] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; grep for one of the strings in .gconf or .gnome2
[10:59] <Computer__Guru> it was a LOT more than ten mil
[10:59] <holycow> that single file
[11:00] <visor> QMario: you have to move some files from the plugins directory, or either delete them, all of them that starts with a swf* in their filename, as soon as you move them from the plugins directory then it will open
[11:00] <AMCDeathKnight> how? walk me through it
[11:00] <LiberalTugboat> Anyone here have an Nvidia video card?
[11:00] <holycow> Computer__Guru, ibm certainly didn't give away hundreds of millions, i'd like to see that tho
[11:00] <AMCDeathKnight> im new
[11:00] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; like try$ grep -ri 'http://porn.site.net/babes.mpg' .gconf .gnome2
[11:00] <desrt> from the shell prompt
[11:00] <CarinArr> liberaltugboat, probably most of us
[11:00] <Computer__Guru> but i was just pointing out its not part time to everyone..t he folks over at redhat corporation im sure would beg to differ with you
[11:00] <desrt> that'll ell you what file it's stored in and you can get rid of it :)
[11:00] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[11:00] <allerbest> IIIEars, been there done that but in the list of supported resolutions there's already "1280x1024"
[11:00] <LiberalTugboat> ok then can I please request someone pastebin their xorg.conf for me?
[11:00] <sorush20> why is my screen jumpy
[11:01] <LiberalTugboat> this is the third time
[11:01] <IIIEars> Okay.
[11:01] <Computer__Guru> holycow:  i want to say a hundred million.. ill check on it and get back to you
[11:01] <allerbest> IIIEars, and the documentation says that X.org will choose the highest possible resolution
[11:01] <holycow> Computer__Guru, indeed i agree, and with ubuntu hiring 20 debian dd's, yeah its getting better sure
[11:01] <visor> did you read QMario's question? how to open realplayer? i know about this problem, you have to move two files, :S damn thats what im talking about, it isnt suppossed that a user has to move files to just open a program
[11:01] <IIIEars> allerbest - promises promises.
[11:01] <sorush20> do you think hdpram is not enabled
[11:01] <slask3n_> how do i make the app webcam run after bootup as an service so i can start/stop it with init.d? or something similar, just so it runs in the background automaticly and can be stopped and started in a simple way..
[11:01] <benplaut> well, i'm going to bed
[11:01] <LiberalTugboat> I have had to ask... but it is hard to even notice posts that are not part of this run around argument about the current state of linux
[11:01] <QMario> Visor, where are those files?
[11:02] <LiberalTugboat> (no offense to those who are speaking)
[11:02] <visor> but well i think i just finished with my rant... :P
[11:02] <oatis> how can I install thngs that are available for sarge but not ubunto with apt (like mysql-query-browser)?
[11:02] <allerbest> IIIEars, :-) Okay, I'll try and log out. Thanks in advance.
[11:02] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; it's in gconf
[11:02] <holycow> visor, oh man, i was just getting into the argument! :)
[11:02] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; you here?
[11:02] <holycow> damnit
[11:02] <IIIEars> just finished an article on the nVidia 7800 looks like aug. 11th is solid
[11:02] <holycow> -_-
[11:02] <visor> QMario: /usr/lib/realplayer-(version)/plugins
[11:02] <AMCDeathKnight> command not found
[11:02] <visor> but its always good to have this chats :)
[11:03] <Grafite> irc://irc.undernet.net/linux
[11:03] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; go into applications -> system tools -> configuration editor
[11:03] <Computer__Guru> visor:  compile mplayer yourself with the w32codecs package installed :D::: apt-get build-dep mplayer-586 && apt-get install w32codecs && apt-get source -b mplayer-586 && dpkg -i mplayer_whatever.deb
[11:03] <IIIEars> (psst, could someone please talk to my wife for me?)
[11:03] <Computer__Guru> you have full real compatibility :)
[11:03] <slask3n_> Grafite: why keep spamming??
[11:03] <Computer__Guru> quicktime too
[11:03] <Grafite> sry
[11:03] <AMCDeathKnight> there
[11:03] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; and from there, go to apps -> gnome-settings -> totem
[11:03] <Grafite> im new and its the easiest way to get to the link
[11:03] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; then on the right pane you'll have history-totem_uri_list
[11:03] <AMCDeathKnight> arh
[11:03] <AMCDeathKnight> yes
[11:03] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; and you can double-click it to edit
[11:04] <Grafite> new to IRC ans linux
[11:04] <visor> well gotta go my friends is late in here and im a little bit tired...
[11:04] <QMario> Visor, where do I move the files to?
[11:04] <AMCDeathKnight> it worked
[11:04] <visor> read you later
[11:04] <AMCDeathKnight> thanks
[11:04] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; np.
[11:04] <Computer__Guru> l8r visor
[11:04] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; now stop going to nasty sites :)
[11:04] <Computer__Guru> nice chat
[11:04] <visor> QMario: just delete them, or move them anywhere else which is not that folder ;)
[11:04] <AMCDeathKnight> lol
[11:04] <AMCDeathKnight> it was an acident
[11:04] <desrt> hahah
[11:04] <AMCDeathKnight> downloaded wrong file
[11:04] <slask3n_> Grafite: no, the easiest way is to write "/server irc.<hostnetwork> | /join #linux"
[11:05] <Grafite> k thnx
[11:05] <slask3n_> =)
[11:05] <sorush20> guys how do I terminate a task that is running
[11:05] <visor> sorush20: hit the computer with a hammer....
[11:05] <EdLin> sorush20, kill
[11:05] <desrt> sorush20; what kind of task?
[11:05] <visor> sorush20: no i was just kidding, "killall command"
[11:05] <slask3n_> Grafite: most clients accept "/j <chan>" so you wont need to write "/join"
[11:06] <sorush20> open office..
[11:06] <desrt> did it crash?
[11:06] <visor> sorush20: or "kill PID_of_process"
[11:06] <sorush20> its asking or JRE, and I don't have it...
[11:06] <Computer__Guru> visor
[11:06] <Computer__Guru> if theyve never seent he kill command
[11:06] <desrt> and you can't exit it?
[11:06] <AMCDeathKnight> how do i install gui bit-torrent?
[11:06] <Computer__Guru> what's a pid?
[11:06] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; you already have it
[11:06] <desrt> Computer__Guru; process id
[11:06] <AMCDeathKnight> i do..
[11:06] <Computer__Guru> no shit sherlock
[11:06] <sorush20> visor how do I find PID of  process
[11:07] <Computer__Guru> follow thread :D
[11:07] <EdLin> sorush20, maybe run xkill
[11:07] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; gnome bittorrent client
[11:07] <visor> sorush20: "killall soffice.bin"
[11:07] <visor> thats what you have to kill
[11:07] <AMCDeathKnight> how can i find it
[11:07] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; when you go to download a .torrent file from the net, it will offer to open in it
[11:07] <visor> Computer__Guru: a pid its the Process ID
[11:07] <AMCDeathKnight> oh
[11:07] <AMCDeathKnight> kewl
[11:07] <AMCDeathKnight> :-)
[11:07] <Computer__Guru> oh my god
[11:07] <aspro> AMCDeathKnight just click on something in firebird iirc
[11:07] <Computer__Guru> I KNOW
[11:07] <desrt> or... you can just double-click on a torrent file on your computer
[11:07] <aspro> firefox*
[11:07] <Computer__Guru> i said: if a user has never seen the kill command, then what's a pid
[11:07] <visor> you can see it with "ps aux" which lists the commands or processes running with their info :)
[11:08] <QMario> Thank You, visor. It works. :)
[11:08] <EdLin> !test
[11:08] <ubotu> Working....
[11:08] <visor> QMario: i know, it is a bit frustrating but... well
[11:08] <aspro> oh on a tangent, anybody tried the new opera with BT support?
[11:08] <Imsdle> how do you isntall firebird RDBMS server
[11:08] <visor> well now i better go or my desire of helping (and complaining about samba) will stay... good night all
[11:09] <slask3n_> how do i make the app webcam run after bootup as an service so i can start/stop it with init.d? or something similar, just so it runs in the background automaticly and can be stopped and started in a simple way..
[11:09] <Computer__Guru> seig heil, samba!
[11:09] <slask3n_> visor: good night =)
[11:09] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  does it have a start/stop script?
[11:10] <oatis> what do I need to add to my source.list to allow it to install sarge packages? some things i need are not available with just the ubuntu packages?
[11:10] <desrt> oatis; you don't want to install straight from sarge... you probably want universe
[11:10] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: no i dont think so, its just an simple app, that runs in a endlesss loop, catching and uploading pictures from webcam to ftp..
[11:10] <visor> guys, pleas read this: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/7421
[11:10] <desrt> oatis; there's actually an example in your sources.list... just uncomment it
[11:10] <visor> well bye...
[11:10] <oatis> i already added main restricted universe multiverse
[11:10] <allerbest> IIIEars: I'm back.-) reconfiguring the x.org-Server didn't work. I removed the 640x480 res from the list (and /etc/X11/xorg.conf shows so) but Ubuntu-Gnome -> Menu -> System -> Screen resolution shows only 640x480
[11:11] <allerbest> IIIEars: And it _is_ only 640x480 at the moment. Any other ideas?
[11:11] <desrt> oatis; universe should have almost everything that's in sarge... just delayed
[11:11] <EdLin> oatis, mixing distro repositories is asking for trouble. Are you *sure* it's not in universe, multiverse, or hoary-extras?
[11:11] <desrt> holy crap it's 5:11am.  wtf.
[11:11] <desrt> nite guys :P
[11:11] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  there is a generic start/stop script in /etc/init.d copy it to a new name, edit and test it to work with start, stop, and restart, then put symlinks to it as you see in /etc/rcX.d
[11:11] <oatis> didnt know about multiuniverse or hoary-extras
[11:11] <moZer> nice work to break firefox :-(
[11:12] <desrt> oatis; multiverse is in the same place as universe
[11:12] <desrt> oatis; for hoary-extras see http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[11:12] <Computer__Guru> K08vmware
[11:12] <Computer__Guru> K11anacron
[11:12] <Computer__Guru> S05vbesave
[11:12] <Computer__Guru> S06mysql
[11:12] <Computer__Guru> S07apache
[11:12] <Computer__Guru> S08ssh
[11:12] <Computer__Guru> S10sysklogd
[11:12] <Computer__Guru> S11klogd
[11:12] <Computer__Guru> S12alsa
[11:12] <Computer__Guru> S14ppp
[11:12] <desrt> >:|
[11:12] <Computer__Guru> S20acpid
[11:12] <Computer__Guru> S20apmd
[11:12] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: ok, ill try, but whats /etc/rcX.d ?
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S20dbus-1
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S20inetd
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S20makedev
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S20mysql
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S20postfix
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S20powernowd
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S20rsync
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S20ssh
[11:13] <desrt> hah.  bye.
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S21kdm
[11:13] <aspro> stop spammin'
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S25mdadm
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S50proftpd
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S89anacron
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S89atd
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S89cron
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S90binfmt-support
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S90vmware
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S91apache
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S91apache2
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S91apache-perl
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S91apache-ssl
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S99acpi-support
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S99fetchmail
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S99rmnologin
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S99splashyZ
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> S99stop-bootlogd
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> CRAP
[11:13] <Computer__Guru> sorry
[11:14] <Computer__Guru> like /etc/rc2.d
[11:14] <Computer__Guru> aspro:  was NOT intentional
[11:14] <aspro> lol
[11:14] <aspro> i know, you copy pasted too much :P
[11:14] <AMCDeathKnight> lol
[11:14] <jk24_> Seveas: please kick Computer__Guru
[11:14] <Albaraha> Computer__Guru, You could use pastebin url
[11:14] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: and whats /etc/rc2.d ?
[11:14] <sorush20> guys my Gnome browser is jumpy and slow.. how can I fix this..
[11:14] <Computer__Guru> actually, i /exec -o'd out of habit, when i meant to /exec
[11:14] <sorush20> can it be because of the Graphics driver
[11:15] <LiberalTugboat> I have been going through the Nvidia binary driver Documentation... and have found some really cool things
[11:15] <Matty> well anyways your all fucken sleeping cunts that should go fuck ur mums testicles and such ur mums cum licking cock spanking dog barking shit eating assholes pricks
[11:15] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  a dir that contains numbered symlinks.. SXXwhatever STARTS in position XX whatever, KXXwhatever kills
[11:15] <aspro> lame-ass
[11:15] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  these are executed as you enter and exit runlevels
[11:15] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: ok
[11:15] <aspro> gives brisbane a bad name
[11:15] <allerbest> Anyone an idea why my 5.04-Gnome comes in 640x480 only? I reconfigured xorg.conf and removed 640x480 but no changes. I've got a Matrox G550 and a TFT with 1280x1024
[11:16] <parabolize> sorush20, what browser firefox or epiphany?
[11:16] <LiberalTugboat> I Did not know you can use Coolbits in linux...
[11:16] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  hence, /etc/rc2.d/ is most likely the runlevel you're in now
[11:16] <LiberalTugboat> have I been living under a rock?
[11:16] <aspro> no... wtf are coolbits :P
[11:16] <LiberalTugboat> I think its overclockin time :)
[11:16] <Easty> Hi
[11:16] <parabolize> nvidia OC program
[11:16] <anacron> allerbest: did you reboot x with ctrl+alt+backspace
[11:16] <LiberalTugboat> cool bits is the Nvidia overclocking utiliy
[11:17] <aspro> ah
[11:17] <parabolize> its OK
[11:17] <allerbest> anacron: Yes I did a full reboot.
[11:17] <aspro> i could have used that when i had my 5200 lol
[11:17] <Easty> If anybody's not too busy, could somebody help me? I've got a problem with my speakers
[11:17] <LiberalTugboat> you can enable it in you xorg.conf
[11:17] <moZer> sorush20:  how do you mean "jumpy and slow"?
[11:17] <Computer__Guru> allerbest:  modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change your driver to vesa
[11:18] <jk24_> Easty: better ask what's your problem
[11:18] <parabolize> LiberalTugboat, not with 7174 I think.
[11:18] <Easty> my speakers are USB and ubuntu's not playing anything out of them
[11:18] <LiberalTugboat> its in 7667
[11:18] <catolh> I did a "sudo alien package.rpm" just now, and im wondering.. how do i install *.deb ?
[11:18] <parabolize> LiberalTugboat, right
[11:18] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: i cant find any generic start stop script in /etc/init.d :s
[11:19] <Easty> i did the USB device check thingy, and it says they're there
[11:19] <LiberalTugboat> not sure about 7174
[11:19] <aspro> catolh: dpkg -i
[11:19] <Computer__Guru> catolh:  dpkg -i package.deb
[11:19] <jk24_> allerbest: dpkg-reconfig xserver-xorg and choose (in medium config class) a monitor that do 1280*1024
[11:19] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  ill fetch it for you
[11:19] <catolh> Thanks, both og you
[11:19] <catolh> of*
[11:19] <Easty> but no sound. and i've checked the volume
[11:19] <EdLin> sorush20, well, one thing you're doing wrong is running as root, especially IRCing as root.
[11:19] <jk24_> Easty: desktop or laptop ?
[11:19] <Easty> desktop
[11:19] <sorush20> well... when I was running Windows, when i minimized an appication or mazimized and general explorer browsing was much faster an smoother that Gnome, on ubuntu.. what could the problem be...
[11:20] <gimme3d> hey there! anyone here who is in the mood to help me with ati drivers on 5.04?
[11:20] <aspro> sorush20: sounds like video card
[11:20] <aspro> got drivers installed?
[11:20] <Computer__Guru> well there USED to be a vanilla start/stop script there
[11:21] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: no vanilla script here either
[11:21] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  i advice just pulling a couple scripts apart to get a feel for how they work, then write a really simple one
[11:22] <LiberalTugboat> just confirmed... Coolbits was added in the 76xx drivers
[11:22] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  then, ln -s /etc/init.d/yourscript /etc/rc2.d/S32yourscript
[11:22] <LuNaTiK^GuY> how can i reconfigure x?
[11:23] <gimme3d> anyone here who can give me a hint for ati drivers in xorg?
[11:23] <Computer__Guru> i would have usb stuff start kinda late
[11:23] <macsepp] [tvt> good question
[11:23] <macsepp] [tvt> :D
[11:23] <sorush20> I'm back .. so what could the problem... be..
[11:23] <holycow> sorush20, you are talking about browsering the file system correct? if so i can answer that
[11:23] <Computer__Guru> gimme3d:  yeah, use the builtin ones, and dont put a lot of stock in those, either, heh
[11:23] <macsepp] [tvt> lol gimme3d i share your question
[11:23] <sorush20> holycow, ye... please
[11:23] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: i dont have time for that now, so that should be another day.. but are there any simple way to make it start on boot automaticly then?
[11:23] <aspro> sorush20: sounds like video card too me
[11:23] <gimme3d> ^^ lol
[11:23] <aspro> got drivers?
[11:23] <Computer__Guru> sure
[11:24] <holycow> sorush20, basically when you browse the windows file system, you aren't actually browsing the file system, you are browsing cached data
[11:24] <sorush20> aspro, holycow, I thought it was video card too..
[11:24] <sorush20> okay...
[11:24] <holycow> ntfs is actually terribly slow when you have a lot of small files in a folder
[11:24] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  sudo pico /etc/rc2.d/S64myscript - then put a simple script to start it, then sudo chmod a+x /etc/rc2.d/S64myscript
[11:24] <sorush20> I'm not running ntfs...
[11:24] <gimme3d> k, i got two devices in xorg.conf defined. standard vga and "ati graphics adapter" installation of driver was successful - no errors (woohooo), removed old ones
[11:24] <aspro> holycow: i think he means his desktop as a whoile is lacking the "snappy"
[11:24] <holycow> sorush20, we don't have a caching mechanism for gnome just yet, so when you load up the files, it actually reads the files on the fs
[11:25] <gimme3d> but when i remove standard vga, xserver wont start..
[11:25] <holycow> there is a project someone is supposed to be working on caching for nautilus but i donno where the project is
[11:25] <gimme3d> so system uses standard vga somehow? and got no 3d acc?
[11:25] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  a simple script would be LINE1:#!/bin/bash LINE2:cd /path/to/myapp LINE3: ./myapp
[11:25] <slask3n_> holycow: when did M$ start usinmg a lot of small files in a folder?? :P all their files have at least 5MB of unneccesary code all over in every file..
[11:26] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wots the condole command to reconfigure x?
[11:26] <Computer__Guru> yeah that can be tedious and slow sometimes
[11:26] <holycow> sorush20, as for the snappyness, thats purely on the gnome/kde/desktop level
[11:26] <Computer__Guru> another reason to use kde :D
[11:26] <Zukero> hello
[11:27] <sorush20> holycow, aspro, slask3n_, how can I make sure that its not the fault of my video card.... I ask this because my screen savers are highly slow.....
[11:27] <aspro> sorush20: run glxgears
[11:27] <holycow> sorush20, there are desktop environments that are as snappy if not snappier than windows, gnome for some reason has that feel, kde is overall 'snappier' but that i'm sure has to do with some clever things they are doing over there
[11:27] <EdLin> LuNaTiK^GuY, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:27] <LuNaTiK^GuY> 10q
[11:28] <Computer__Guru> holycow:  very clever, indeed. very, very clever :)
[11:28] <catolh> has anyone tried running guildwars with wine?
[11:28] <holycow> sorush20, what vid card? if its ati or nvidia install the drivers
[11:28] <gimme3d> yeah!! 94 frames in glxgears!!! i HATE f***ing ati  drivers!! gnaa
[11:28] <skyhawker> is there a way I can get Evolution to hide itself up the tray thingy in the top right?
[11:28] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: i went to System -> Preference -> Sessions and added it in startup programs, but what does order 50 mean? and is it good?
[11:28] <Tirno> I've just done a dist-upgrade with the backport packages, in order to fix firefox. But now it has a problem with my usual webmailreader: firefox and the server can't find a common encryption method. What gives?
[11:28] <catolh> gimme3d, i got like almost 2.5k fps in glxgears with my ati card..
[11:28] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  means it will load after anything with a lower number and before anything higher
[11:28] <Computer__Guru> just that, its order
[11:28] <phend> does anyone know how i import a database into a postgres db? i've used createdb, and have downloaded a dump of the database from another pc
[11:29] <sorush20> holycow, it not ati or nvidia, its onboard... sis... and glx gears is jumpy...
[11:29] <gimme3d> catolh...post me your xorg.conf ^^? or help me installing driver correctly?
[11:29] <jk24> gimme3d: xorg drivers support ati 3D...
[11:29] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: and what will happen with it? will webcam be shown in a terminal at startup now, or will it run in background?
[11:29] <catolh> gimme3d, do a "sudo apt-get install xorg-fglrx"
[11:29] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: order 50 is last isn't  it?
[11:29] <gimme3d> did this 20 times without any error
[11:29] <holycow> sorush20, i run sis on all basic system, you aren't going to get any decent ogl support for those
[11:29] <catolh> gimme3d, there was a binarydriverhowto somewhere..
[11:29] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  can go up to 99
[11:29] <catolh> gimme3d, give me a sec, ill cough up a url for you in a sec
[11:30] <gimme3d> thx
[11:30] <jk24> gimme3d: 5501 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1100.200 FPS with xorg drivers
[11:30] <Computer__Guru> and i dont know the answer to your question
[11:30] <gimme3d> @jk24: hrhr
[11:30] <holycow> sorush20, do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and make sure you are using the sis drivers
[11:30] <catolh> gimme3d, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:30] <holycow> sorush20, beyond that you cannot do much.  note that if you are using vesa drivers on an sis chipset, choosing sis drivers will make a huge difference
[11:31] <drcode> hi all
[11:31] <drcode> direct redrind it depend on monitor also ?
[11:31] <drcode> not only on the card?
[11:31] <Computer__Guru> im going to bed
[11:31] <holycow> but you will never be able to do anything  beyond basic ogl on the chipset, i'm not sure if they just don't have full ogl support or they havent open sourced their entire codebase
[11:31] <Computer__Guru> im tired
[11:31] <phend> any ideas?
[11:32] <drcode> I have two computers with same vga card but only diffrent monitor
[11:32] <drcode> in one it work and in one not
[11:32] <catolh> how do i force a cd to unmount? (im in the middle of installing an app that runs on 2x cd's.. and its asking for cd2... :S)
[11:33] <sorush20> holycow, what is the pci thing i have to... set.. by the way... this is what I have been looking for.. I got this option in the live CD but didn't get it in the install... In the live cd eveything was much smother.. and all screensavers were smooth too...
[11:33] <gimme3d> @ catolh: getting an error using that howto...trying to overwrite something existing...
[11:33] <holycow> sorush20, then run the command i told you, and make the right choices in the dialogs
[11:33] <catolh> gimme3d, are you sure you read it correctly?
[11:33] <holycow> after that co ctrl / backspace ... or is ctrl / alt / backspace?  ... to restart xserver
[11:33] <skyhawker> is there a way I can get Evolution to hide itself up in the tray thingy in the top right? Eother that, or does anybody know of an email program that is able to hide...?
[11:34] <catolh> gimme3d, it worked for me anyhow..
[11:34] <sorush20> holycow, I don't know how to make this choice.. Please enter vid card bus Id, and I have to set the value... its PCI:1:0:0
[11:34] <holycow> just click enter there
[11:34] <sorush20> holycow, is this the right value...
[11:34] <holycow> don't worry bout that
[11:35] <learn25> Thanks guys. My PHP and Apache and Mysql is now running!
[11:35] <Imsdle> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe libfirebird2-classic 1.5.1-4
[11:35] <Imsdle>   Bad header line [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[11:35] <Imsdle> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/f/firebird2/libfirebird2-classic_1.5.1-4_i386.deb  Bad header line [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[11:35] <Imsdle> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[11:35] <Imsdle> ooops
[11:35] <Imsdle> wrong window
[11:35] <gimme3d> yeah..i did it plenty of times...fact is, i can install the drivers by run package without any problems, no errors...but without the standard vga section in my xorg.conf, the xserver wont start...opengl is mesa ALWAYS
[11:35] <holycow> sorush20, what driver was selected by default when you started that?
[11:35] <Imsdle> can someone help me load firebird
[11:35] <holycow> did you haveto select sis drivers manually? or was sis preselected?
[11:36] <learn25> Thanks guys. My PHP and Apache and Mysql is now running! ;-) Now i can experiment during my free time.
[11:36] <catolh> can i install directx with wine? (and make it work?)
[11:36] <catolh> or do i need winex?
[11:36] <learn25> Is there a graphical interface for mysql? Like in MS Access database??
[11:37] <sorush20> holycow, what is the keyboard vaiant... value
[11:37] <Kmorph> learn25: I'm currently tryin to write one.
[11:37] <holycow> learn, quite a few
[11:37] <toowoomba> rekall?
[11:37] <holycow> rekall yes is probably the most mature at this point
[11:37] <sorush20> holycow, I had to select it manually...
[11:37] <wizo> hey guys i have a question
[11:37] <learn25> is it possible to run mysql server and access it in another pc?
[11:38] <wizo> im trying to watch a CD using totem
[11:38] <learn25> to add new database tables, etc.
[11:38] <wizo> but it lags then runs smooth, then lags then runs smooth again
[11:38] <toowoomba> yes learn
[11:38] <holycow> sorush20, it should be preselected, what options do you have? tryp standard pc101 kb or something like that
[11:38] <Kmorph> learn25: yes you can. As long as you have configured the server well
[11:38] <toowoomba> that's the whole point of database servers...
[11:38] <Earered> learn25, yes just ensure that your firewall let port 3306 open (the port for mysql)
[11:38] <learn25> Thats good. U know i'm new to linux and databases. I'll try to learn open source technologies.
[11:39] <learn25> i use fire starter
[11:39] <Kmorph> learn25: welcome to the opensource world.
[11:39] <sorush20> holycow, what is the mouse.... /dev/input/mice
[11:39] <sorush20> holycow, or something else...
[11:39] <learn25> Yeah... cheers!.... We have the freedom to do what we want ;-)
[11:40] <holycow> thats the one sorush20
[11:40] <holycow> wait
[11:40] <toowoomba> isn't there a qy mysql admin tool?
[11:40] <holycow> sorush20, do you have a usb mouse or the other one?
[11:40] <learn25> u mean GUI mysql admin tool?
[11:40] <toowoomba> oops, qt
[11:41] <hayden> i am running mozilla thunderbird on my windows laptop and ubuntu desktop, is there a way to synchronise email messages between the two?
[11:41] <sorush20> holycow, just a normal serial...
[11:41] <learn25> hmm... thats hard to sychronize windows and linux ;-)
[11:41] <sorush20> holycow, what about the x.org server modules..
[11:41] <holycow> you leave those alone just click through
[11:42] <holycow> you didn't answer my question tho, did you haveto manually select the sis drivers at the beginning?
[11:42] <hayden> learn25, not hard to synchronise if they r on the same computer e.g. i had a dual boot winxp/ubuntu and just used the same folder for both to store emails
[11:43] <sorush20> holycow, yes.. I had to man select..
[11:43] <toowoomba> mysql-admin mysql-query-browser
[11:43] <holycow> sorush20, that means that the reason your system was not 'snappy' was because you were using the vesa driver
[11:43] <wijnand> can i safely upgrade acroread to version 7 in hoary by adding the breezy multiverse repository? it wants to upgrade libc6 too when i do that, which seems risky at the least to me...
[11:43] <sorush20> holycow, letme run glxgears again... or do I have to restart the computer.... and also, right after this... I just need to set up the sound... oh the joy of opensource....
[11:43] <hayden> whats the best way to install nvidia drivers?
[11:43] <holycow> after you restart x you should see a huge improvement, like on the live cd
[11:44] <holycow> no restartx only
[11:44] <holycow> do ctrl / alt / backspace
[11:44] <toowoomba> hayden: see www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:44] <holycow> or ctrl / backspace
[11:44] <holycow> i cant remember
[11:44] <hayden> toowoomba, i thought there was a better way than that? or am i wrong
[11:44] <aspro> through synaptic?
[11:45] <toowoomba> that's what I did
[11:45] <hayden> ok
[11:45] <wijnand> aspro: you asking me?
[11:45] <toowoomba> seems to work fine and wasn't that hard
[11:45] <aspro> nah sorry :)
[11:45] <aspro> thinking outloud
[11:45] <wijnand> pity :)
[11:45] <Kmorph> toowoomba::there is a qt based MySQL GUI Admin tool.
[11:46] <aspro> wijnand: it does seem risky, i wouldnt do it :)
[11:46] <toowoomba> that's what i heard but I don't use mysql
[11:47] <aspro> wijnand: perhaps just use the tarball?
[11:47] <wijnand> aspro: yeah i was afraid of that, even though libc6 is bound to be backward compatible
[11:47] <Kmorph> toowoomba::what database do you use
[11:48] <wijnand> aspro: could do that, but either that requires the same libc6 upgrade, or the repository's version doesn't require it either
[11:48] <aspro> if your getting from breezy it probably just wants the latest
[11:48] <aspro> doesnt need it, i ran acro7 form hoary
[11:48] <toowoomba> i use interbase at work, so naturally firebird at home
[11:49] <sorush20> hi.. guys
[11:49] <toowoomba> maybe soon firebird at work too
[11:49] <sorush20> holycow, yes.. its much more snappy...
[11:49] <sorush20> thanks alot...
[11:49] <wijnand> aspro: you used the tarball from adobe's site?
[11:49] <holycow> no problems :)
[11:49] <aspro> wijnand: yep
[11:50] <wijnand> alright then :)
[11:50] <sorush20> holycow, what was the command agian.. so I can readup...
[11:50] <wijnand> adobe.com, here i come!
[11:50] <aspro> hehe
[11:50] <aspro> gl
[11:50] <aspro> :)
[11:50] <wijnand> thanks
[11:50] <holycow> sorush20, a little different from windows for that part, but rest assured that the x server is getting  A LOT  of development these days, and it will one day be a lot easier to setup through gui and various other tools
[11:50] <holycow> sorush its two commands
[11:50] <wijnand> but first i'd better remove the breezy repository hehe
[11:50] <holycow> sudo is the first that lets you run the reconfigure app as root
[11:51] <holycow> dpkg-reconfigure is the dpkg command to reconfigure the options for a package
[11:51] <holycow> xserver-xorg is the package, so you should read up on dpkg-reconfigure
[11:51] <sorush20> holycow, thanks...
[11:52] <Kmorph> toowoomba::I'm a MySQL die-hard. I use mysql all through. I migrated recently all my apps to mysql
[11:53] <holycow> Kmorph, not a fan of postgres?
[11:53] <toowoomba> what did you migrate from?
[11:53] <toowoomba> i keep meaning to have a play with postgres but I never get around to it
[11:54] <catolh> Wich mediaplayer do you guys prefer?
[11:54] <catolh> i mean, the "smoothest" and fastest one
[11:54] <catolh> vlc? or mplayer?
[11:54] <praetorian> personally i like mplayer.
[11:54] <holycow> catolh, i use totem most of the time, but i have found with the latest dvds, vlc player handles those much better for some reason.  i don't understand why because both use the same libraries to decrypt the files
[11:54] <toowoomba> i have been using totem since it seems to be the default
[11:55] <dam> terminal server client?
[11:55] <catolh> yeah, i like mplayer too. But the fact that the screensaver goes on when in fullscreen is irritating
[11:55] <catolh> I didnt like totem that much..
[11:55] <wizo> grrr
[11:55] <Computer__Guru> vlc uses the xine engine?
[11:55] <wizo> totem is lagging and then runnign smooth and then lagging
[11:55] <praetorian> there is an option for disabling screensaver
[11:56] <slask3n> Are there any hypergood linux gurus here? I have a serious problem with the sound devices and usb webcam with built-in microphone.. It fucks up the whole soundsystem.. :s I've got help before but as soon as I rebooted it was back to the same problem.. The usb webcam dont mount properly it seems like and ubuntu sets it as primary sounddevice it seems like.. :s
[11:56] <praetorian> (atleast in gmplayer)
[11:56] <holycow> slask3n, heh, just out of curiosity, do you know if its actually a supported model?
[11:56] <holycow> you should be aware the webcams don't have good support on linux overall
[11:57] <catolh> is there a goodlooking mplayer skin out there? not too techie, but plain..
[11:57] <holycow> catolh, google answers all :)
[11:57] <holycow> decide for your self
[11:58] <onkarshinde> catolh: i like vlc myself. Refarding totem you can use totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer
[11:58] <catolh> holycow, hehe, i like to follow in other's footsteps.. :p
[11:58] <catolh> onkarshinde, i think i'll be sticking to mplayer.. but thanks :)
[11:58] <allerbest> anacron: Using vesa instead of mga worked. Thanks.
[11:59] <nikola> hi, what package contains raidhotadd I can't seem to find it?
[12:00] <allerbest> How do I install a programme ("knoda") that seems not to be in universe/multiverse? It is in Debian Sarge.
[12:00] <toowoomba> how do I edit the gnome menu?
[12:01] <oni> hi
[12:01] <deFrysk> toowoomba, get smeg
[12:01] <oni> anyone knows how to kill a process without knowing the process id?
[12:02] <allerbest> oni: killall <processname>
[12:02] <TWD> oni: killall <processname>
[12:02] <oni> thanks!
[12:02] <toowoomba> can't find smeg
[12:02] <allerbest> oni: or look the id with "ps auxwww | grep <processname>"
[12:02] <deFrysk> !smeg
[12:02] <ubotu> it has been said that smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[12:02] <wijnand> aspro: works like a charm :)
[12:03] <oni> another question: how I can get aMSN for Ubuntu?
[12:03] <deFrysk> !amsn
[12:03] <ubotu> deFrysk: I haven't a clue
[12:03] <wijnand> oni: isn't it in universe or multiverse?
[12:03] <oni> multiverse I think....
[12:04] <gimme3d> hooray! i am back! without 3d acceleration! and i got no idea what else to do!
[12:04] <toowoomba> oni: gaim?
[12:04] <gimme3d> got always  DRI initialization failed!                  *
[12:04] <gimme3d> (WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) *
[12:04] <gimme3d> (WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO)             *
[12:04] <gimme3d> (WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available
[12:04] <slask3n> holycow: not actually, but there are customdrivers to run it, but almost everyone has made the built-in microphone work without drivers and anythiong, but i have the drivers also...
[12:04] <vinboy> does ext3 needs defragment?
[12:04] <oni> but I want more control over MSN
[12:05] <slask3n> holycow: i have made it work but as soon as i reboot it all gets fucked up again
[12:05] <MartenH> I am running a card that seems to be using orinoco_cs driver. Should I switch to ndiswrapper if i want to add wpa_supplicant to it?
[12:05] <toowoomba> oni: winxp
[12:05] <wijnand> oni: amsn is in either multiverse or univers as i have it available in synaptic
[12:05] <gimme3d> got new kernel sources, headers, compiled fglrx, installation without errors...but no 3d...nono..haha..sitting here for 3 days, without any effort , haha...
[12:06] <oni> auh! it's in universe
[12:06] <Eilonwy05> Well, I did some more digging around and troubleshooting... it looks like when I upgraded my kernel, something got messed up with my SATA support.  My HDD works fine, but cat /proc/scsi/scsi doesn't list a scsi1 bus, where my cd should be.  If I boot back to the stock 2.6.10-5 kernel it works.
[12:06] <allerbest> vinboy: No unless the partition is nearly full and heave write access is going on
[12:06] <oni> http://amsn.sourceforge.net
[12:06] <Eilonwy05> I'm on a laptop
[12:06] <vinboy> allerbest, what tools can i use to defrag?? coz i use bittorrent.. lots of HD accessing
[12:06] <Eilonwy05> if that makes any difference
[12:06] <nikola> does someone know what package contains raidhotadd?
[12:07] <holycow> slask3n, well i won't be able to help much, i was just curious.  it basically sounds like udev is looking at your device and seeing the soundcard component and thusly classifying it as such.  you may need to research into how udev looks at your device, and tell udev to create different nodes for it .... but thats fairly advanced stuff.  it might be cheaper to just buy another cammy that works?
[12:07] <holycow> sorry i wish i could actually be helpfull on that
[12:07] <gimme3d> what about tanking my graphics adapter out of the comp, breaknig it into 2 peices and throwing it on smbds head? anybody here, who wants a radeon 9500?
[12:07] <slask3n> catolh: I have a pretty nice and simple skin for mplayer on my xbox, but i dont know its name .s
[12:07] <gimme3d> could be in peices btw
[12:07] <dam> how do i save a password with terminal server client?
[12:08] <slask3n> holycow: ok, thanks anyway =)
[12:08] <holycow> slask3n, oh you made it work?
[12:08] <holycow> okay that means udev doesn't know how to create the devices
[12:08] <dam> i run xboxmediacentre. i love it!!!!
[12:08] <holycow> google up udev, theres a ton of info on that, i had to tell udev how to create devices for my vmware install as it doesnt' know how to do that automatically
[12:09] <Eilonwy05> anyone?
[12:09] <slask3n> holycow: im a n00b, i wont recognize udev or what it is if it was shitting in my face...
[12:09] <allerbest> vinboy: I don't know a single one. Just check that your partition doesn't get too full (leave always c. 5% free)
[12:09] <allerbest> vinboy: Or use ReiserFS. But this is not Ubuntu-specific.
[12:09] <oni> how I can get my full 1280x1024 on ubuntu?
[12:10] <holycow> slask3n, don't worry, just start googling and researching, no better way to elarn :)
[12:10] <slask3n> dam: xbmc rules! ;)
[12:10] <holycow> slask3n, at least you know what to google for, google for udev and your camera model and ubuntu
[12:10] <gimme3d> oni: what is your problem?
[12:11] <dam> slask3n, do you use it via http aswell?
[12:11] <oni> I'm not getting the full resolution
[12:11] <gimme3d> oni: do u mean u cant select it or does ubuntu not switch higer? waht res is your monitor capable of?
[12:11] <holycow> oni, you need to input the correct refresh rate for your monitor model into /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[12:11] <oni> that's the res
[12:11] <oni> and how do I do that?
[12:12] <holycow> oni, then restart the xserver, and it should appear as an option in system / pref / resolution
[12:12] <oni> how do I edit this file?
[12:13] <gimme3d> sudo gedit etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:13] <deFrysk> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:13] <deFrysk> is the correct way
[12:13] <holycow> deFrysk, no thats wrong, he wont get a chance to input the refresh rate in there
[12:13] <gimme3d> yepp
[12:13] <deFrysk> oh ?
[12:13] <deFrysk> sice whan ?
[12:13] <deFrysk> since when* ?
[12:14] <holycow> let me check, i cant remember ever seeing that in there :)
[12:14] <slask3n> holycow: http://little.xmtp.net/blog/2005/04/24/logitech-quickcam-messenger-in-linux/
[12:14] <vinboy> allerbest, thanks.... i used to defrag every month in winxp :D
[12:14] <slask3n> dam: no, i use it with the xbox :p
[12:14] <slask3n> dam: the http-interface is way too slow for me..
[12:15] <gimme3d> guys, what does  DRI initialization failed!                  *
[12:15] <gimme3d> (WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) *
[12:15] <gimme3d> (WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO)             *
[12:15] <gimme3d> (WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available                *
[12:15] <gimme3d> (WW) fglrx(0): ********************************************* * exactly mean, and hwo do i get rid of it?
[12:15] <dam> slask3n, oh ok! it works ok for me, try updating the skin?
[12:15] <holycow> deFrysk, thats what i thought, you don't get to INPUT refresh rate for your monitor in there
[12:15] <holycow> you get to only select whatever it thinks is available
[12:16] <catolh> Is it any way possible to install steam with Wine? or do i have to use cedega?
[12:16] <holycow> if his moni is unknown he will get the default option
[12:16] <liran> uhm, whats default root password for ubuntu installation first-time?
[12:16] <oni> ._.?
[12:16] <holycow> there is no root password liran
[12:16] <catolh> liran, there isnt one..
[12:17] <holycow> everything is run from sudo
[12:17] <catolh> use "sudo" instead of su
[12:17] <Eilonwy05> anyone have any experience with a newer kernel than 2.6.10-5 that ships with Hoary, and SATA optical drives?  I'm running on a Dell Inspiron 9300 laptop, and when I upgraded my kernel (so I could use newer ATI drivers) I lost access to my CD drive.  no /dev/cdrom*, and cat /proc/scsi/scsi only lists one scsi bus
[12:17] <P3L|C4N0> liran $ sudo passwd root
[12:17] <catolh> liran, like.. "sudo <cmd>"
[12:17] <liran> right thanks
[12:17] <deFrysk> !sudo
[12:17] <ubotu> well, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:17] <gimme3d> Eilonwy05: tell me *please* about updating kernel for newer ati drivers....
[12:18] <slask3n> dam: i have the Project Mayhem III skin that was in the build as default.. and im happy with that, its more than skins that count after my oppinion.. I rather use OK-looking software that works rather than goodlooking M$ crap for instance
[12:18] <liran> it put my screen res to 640x480 and there's no way to change it from the System -> Screen Resolution panel
[12:18] <liran> is there some Xconfigurator tool?
[12:18] <deFrysk> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:18] <holycow> liran, you need to add the proper refresh rates for your moni /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[12:19] <allerbest> I'd like to add Debian Sarge to the apt/sources.list. Is this a very bad idea? :-) I need "knoda" which seems to be not in universe/multiverse
[12:19] <slask3n> dam: but unleashedX and XBMC is some of the most genious apps for xbox along with the dvd2xbox :)
[12:19] <holycow> allerbest, it is a very bad idea, don't do it
[12:19] <Eilonwy05> gimme3d: I had to download the latest kernel from kernel.org, then download the rpm for the ATI drivers, edit several lines in the kernel module code, and then build the ATI drivers
[12:19] <deFrysk> allerbest, very bad
[12:19] <allerbest> holycow: And how do I get "knoda" then?
[12:20] <holycow> recompile it and package it on ubuntu
[12:20] <oni> what value I must edit in xorg.cong?
[12:20] <oni> *conf
[12:20] <Raptoid> selamlar.
[12:20] <gimme3d> Eilonwy05: ill try this....sitting here for 3 days not getting 3d working :p
[12:20] <allerbest> holycow: I thought it wouldn't harm if I add Debian Sarge, check out knoda and the remove Debian Sarge from sources.list
[12:20] <Eilonwy05> gimme3d: and I'd link you to the site that had the specific edits to make, but I'm in WinXP and the bookmark is in Linux
[12:20] <deFrysk> allerbest, I would put the source-repo in and apt-get -b <package>
[12:20] <holycow> Option "SecondMonitorHorizSync"   "30-94"
[12:20] <holycow>         Option "SecondMonitorVertRefresh" "50-75"
[12:21] <allerbest> deFrysk: There seems to be no source-repo ...
[12:21] <holycow> those options, you need to find those exact values for your particular monitor model and make
[12:21] <oni> second monitor? I don't have second monitor
[12:21] <allerbest> deFrysk: http://www.knoda.org
[12:21] <holycow> oni, those are just mine, find yours, its similar
[12:21] <deFrysk> allerbest, source repo of sarge that is
[12:21] <holycow> let me find my first moni
[12:22] <liran> holycow: im not seeing any changes, isn't it enough to logout and login again?
[12:22] <deFrysk> if they have it compile it against ubuntu
[12:22] <holycow> HorizSync       30-94
[12:22] <holycow>         VertRefresh     50-75
[12:22] <holycow> those are what you are looking for
[12:22] <holycow> liran, you need to restart x with either ctrl / backspace or ctrl / alt / backspace, cant remember which command it is
[12:22] <allerbest> deFrysk: You mean I should add Debian Sarge Source repo, check out the source of Knoda and then compile it?
[12:22] <liran> ctrl+alt+bksspace, thanks let me try it
[12:22] <holycow> liran, please don't use my settings tho, they are for my monitor only
[12:23] <gimme3d> Eylonwy05: will i ruin my system installing the kernel without changes or wont ati drivers work properly?
[12:23] <holycow> you need to google your settings for your model and make
[12:23] <holycow> very important
[12:23] <deFrysk> allerbest, yup use apt-get -b <yourdesiredpackage> to build it properly for ubuntu
[12:23] <deFrysk> allerbest, yup use apt-get source -b even
[12:24] <liran> holycow: yeah, i was trying that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but i dont think it worked fine. i was back to text console and tried `startx` though it fails
[12:24] <holycow> no, that only lets you select one refresh rate, not set the refresh rate range
[12:24] <holycow> that part isn't automated yet
[12:24] <dam> slask3n, whats unleeasedX do?
[12:25] <Eilonwy05> gimme3d: http://eulex.0nyx.com/inspiron6000.html under "gfx card" has the details for modifying the code that you extract from the rpm you get at the ATI site
[12:25] <slask3n> why edubuntu really? we already have the great project skolelinux
[12:25] <slask3n> dam: its like evolutionX only better
[12:25] <holycow> slask3n, because skole isn't debian based?
[12:25] <gimme3d> Eilonwy05: thx!
[12:25] <slask3n> holycow: it is if i dont am wrong
[12:26] <Eilonwy05> anyone have input on my question?
[12:26] <holycow> it is? *hmmm*
[12:26] <holycow> oh lookee
[12:26] <holycow> it is
[12:26] <holycow> okay, good question indeed :)
[12:26] <Eilonwy05> anyone have any experience with a newer kernel than 2.6.10-5 that ships with Hoary, and SATA optical drives?  I'm running on a Dell Inspiron 9300 laptop, and when I upgraded my kernel (so I could use newer ATI drivers) I lost access to my CD drive.  no /dev/cdrom*, and cat /proc/scsi/scsi only lists one scsi bus
[12:26] <dam> slask3n, mmm. kewl. get it at usually places?
[12:27] <slask3n> holycow: its debian based too http://skolelinux.org
[12:27] <vinboy> hi
[12:27] <vinboy> how do I configure my mouse's thumb button to work
[12:27] <slask3n> dam: yes, i used #xbins @ efnet...
[12:29] <chakri> hi
[12:29] <liran> ok well, no luck. i cant run x now. i get "no screens found"
[12:30] <chakri> how to start a service like sshd
[12:30] <incubii> heh i run breezy on my laptop, so i dont get x at all either ;)
[12:30] <holycow> liran, you changed just the refresh rates correct?
[12:31] <holycow> and you changed them to the correct specified rates?
[12:32] <arnau_> Hello. I have ubuntu hoary with firefox 1.02. I cannot view pdf files. Somebody can explain me why, please?
[12:32] <Eilonwy05> please? anyone?  Is my question getting filtered by flood prevention? ... I know it's a bit long...
[12:32] <dam> slask3n, so to install unleashedX do i just copy over files ie; default.xbe via FTP?
[12:32] <holycow> arnau_, you need a pdf viewer
[12:32] <holycow> try installing evince with synaptic
[12:33] <arnau_> I have xpdf as a viewer but firefox is unable to run it.
[12:33] <liran> holycow: hold on, im trying to check whats working in xorg.conf.original that isnt in my altered xorg.conf
[12:33] <guillem> Anyone using vpnc cisco client?
[12:34] <holycow> liran, yes, always keep backup copies, does using the .original one restore your monitor usability?
[12:34] <arnau_> In fact, with the previous version of firefox, all were OK but with the last upgrade, firefox works bad.
[12:34] <holycow> arnau_, consider using another browser alternatively
[12:34] <liran> holycow: yep
[12:34] <liran> holycow: but its 640x480.
[12:34] <chakri> how to start sshd in ubuntu
[12:34] <holycow> current ff upgrades hosed something, i think it has to do with the 1.0.5 updates ...
[12:35] <liran> holycow: maybe ill switch to win to check out refresh rates for 1024x780
[12:35] <chakri> is there sshd in ubuntu
[12:35] <razerslut> anyone have any recommendations for a music player that is > amarok
[12:35] <holycow> arnau_, try using something like galeon or epiphany-browser
[12:35] <razerslut> ?
[12:35] <holycow> liran, win wont tell you
[12:35] <arnau_> Yes, I can use konqueror but firefox is very good for me. Do you know if it is a bug in firefox 1.02?
[12:35] <holycow> liran, win hides that from you actually, it lets you select from an option based on a list it keeps
[12:35] <holycow> liran, google your monitor an make
[12:36] <chakri> can any one help me regarding a problem in ssh
[12:36] <holycow> there is a sticker on the back, if the refresh rates arent there google the model, you will eventually find a seller that posts the rates
[12:36] <liran> holycow: what setting you got for monitor driver?
[12:36] <chakri> i am unaable to ssh into ubuntu system from fc4
[12:36] <holycow> chakri, whatst he problem?
[12:36] <Stianjj> chakri: ssh-krb5 - Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH with Kerberos)
[12:36] <razerslut> anyone have any recommendations for a music player that is > amarok
[12:36] <holycow> chakri, did you install it and configure sshd?
[12:37] <nalioth_zZz> chakri: yes it's called "openssh-server" in the repos
[12:37] <chakri> hoycow, oh, i thaught that i comes by default
[12:37] <holycow> liran, just google your monitor horizontal and vertical refresh rates plz :)
[12:37] <Stianjj> razerslut: xmms is ery good
[12:37] <holycow> google knows all
[12:37] <chakri> ok
[12:37] <Eilonwy05> razerslut: I use XMMS, but that's just because it's like Winamp which I also like
[12:37] <nalioth_zZz> chakri: only the ssh client is default
[12:37] <Eilonwy05> razerslut: but it does everything, if you install the right plugin
[12:37] <razerslut> well
[12:38] <razerslut> that would be fine but i prefer a wmp type interface
[12:38] <razerslut> any ideas?
[12:38] <chakri> nalioth_zZz, thank you
[12:38] <liran> holycow: whats the line to define refresh rate? cause im not seeing anything like that in xorg.conf
[12:38] <guillem> Stianjj, really, bit looks quite ugly :-P
[12:38] <holycow> liran sec
[12:39] <Eilonwy05> razerslut: not sure if k-jofol is still around, as part of KDE, I think it's more like WMP interface...
[12:39] <razerslut> well, im using gnome
[12:39] <chakri> nalioth_zZz,  will i get scp with openssh
[12:39] <holycow> Section "Monitor"
[12:39] <holycow>         Identifier      "Generic Monitor"
[12:39] <holycow>         HorizSync       30-94
[12:39] <holycow>         VertRefresh     50-75
[12:39] <holycow>         Option          "DPMS"
[12:39] <holycow> EndSection
[12:39] <Eilonwy05> ahhhh, not sure then
[12:39] <razerslut> i like amarok but it is slow and wont play my media files for some reason. when i click on them it does nothing
[12:39] <Stianjj> pss:p
[12:39] <razerslut> maybe you can help with that?
[12:39] <evilgod69> razerslut: the only linux media player that seemed to look anything like the WMP interface is amaroK, amaroK can run on gnome, but i don't think there's a package for it in ubuntu
[12:40] <Stianjj> razerslut: selected the audio hardware thingie?
[12:40] <nalioth_zZz> chakri: scp, sftp are both supported in ssh
[12:40] <holycow> i personally preffer beep media player, because i integrates into gnome nicel
[12:40] <holycow> xmms uses a very old gtk binding from what i remember
[12:40] <liran> i think that one works for me
[12:40] <razerslut> stianjj: what hardware thingy?
[12:41] <liran> yep, leet holycow, its working :p
[12:41] <holycow> well, :) dude you really need to google the correct refresh rates tho, don't be lazy
[12:41] <liran> i did
[12:41] <liran> http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=5&id=47
[12:41] <Eilonwy05> so, anybody have input on my question?
[12:41] <holycow> ah, right on :) cool
[12:41] <liran> holycow :)
[12:42] <liran> now i need to check why ubuntu said it couldnt find any network device heh
[12:42] <Stianjj> razerslut: Engine > Arts Engine at the opitons menu
[12:42] <holycow> liran, just remember, the only reason you don't have a gui for that yet is because xserver development stagnated for over 10 years, only recently has their organization revamped and started really working on it
[12:42] <holycow> all this will be automated one day, just give it time
[12:42] <dam> slask3n, so to install unleashedX do i just copy over files ie; default.xbe via FTP?
[12:43] <liran> holycow: im cool with that
[12:43] <allerbest> I can not find "libiconv" in universe/multiverse - am I blind?
[12:43] <Eilonwy05> gimme3d: any luck?
[12:43] <chakri> nalioth_zZz,  whenever i use apt-get i am getting E: Invalid operation mplayer error
[12:43] <evilgod69> Eilonwy05: nono, we can see your question, just no-one's got an answer yet, just ask every once and a while
[12:43] <liran> holycow: i got dsl (damn small linux) runing on my old laptop p2 with 32ram and its runing x11 like leet mofo hehe
[12:43] <Eilonwy05> ok
[12:43] <evilgod69> Eilonwy05: or put something on the ubuntu forums =D
[12:43] <Eilonwy05> I think I just might, evilgod69
[12:44] <gimme3d> Eilonwy05: nope, same error as before....there is sth strange. in xorg.conf, there are two entries for device, vga and ati graphica adapter. when i remove vga, xserver wont start...
[12:44] <Stianjj> why doesn't xfce come on the gdm menu?
[12:45] <holycow> liran, nice :) i had gnome 2.8 running on a 64 meg ram p333 once, it booted into only 48 megs of ram
[12:45] <holycow> spiffy
[12:45] <Eilonwy05> gimme3d: no idea then... sorry :(
[12:45] <Stianjj> and i get the error nodisplay when i trie to start xfce by init 3
[12:45] <gimme3d> but ati control panel says the correct ati driver version number...only opengl is not working...
[12:46] <Eilonwy05> gimme3d: wish I had more answers for ya.... I don't
[12:46] <Stianjj> where is the config file to gdm?, I cant find it...
[12:47] <xuniluser> Hi guys! Are there Matlab users here? Is there a counterpart for this in linux other than Matlab for Linux?
[12:47] <liran> holycow heh, weird stuff :p
[12:47] <Eilonwy05> Well, everyone... it's been fun, I think I'll post the problem on the forums and then get some sleep -- it's quarter to 4AM! :)
[12:47] <paulproteus> Stianjj: /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[12:47] <Stianjj> paulproteus: thanks
[12:50] <Stianjj> paulproteus: The windowmanager list isn't there.. Do you know where it is? :p
[12:51] <slask3n> dam: can i PM you? xbox aint the most Ubuntu related subject exactly
[12:52] <guillem> xuniluser, not a matlab user, but there is "octave"
[12:53] <mr_claus> hi, i have a problem with ubuntu default installation, after logging in the sound comes up and then the screen freezes
[12:53] <xuniluser> guillem: is that supported by ubuntu? i mean can i apt-get it?
[12:53] <mr_claus> i tested some things, i.e. to switch with CTRL+ALT+F1 to console after logging in (before the freeze is happening) and then i could see a kernel panic
[12:54] <mr_claus> but i cannot scroll up so i dont know which part of the system is the reason
[12:54] <liraz> All these bounties and projects, do they usually get integrated back into the original software or is it ubuntu specific?
[12:54] <liraz> like the wireless app, I haven't seen it in any distro's
[12:54] <liraz> yet
[12:55] <hhurtta_> mr_claus: try shift+pgup/pgdown to scroll in console
[12:55] <mr_claus> hhurtta_: after a kernel panic it's not possible
[12:56] <hhurtta_> duh...
[12:57] <hhurtta_> and you cant find anything usefull from eg. dmesg afterwards?
[12:57] <nessmuk> my eth0 is recognized in ubuntu, but not in beatrix. Wondering if there's a way to kickstart it in the terminal
[12:57] <mr_claus> hhurtta_: i cannot do anything after the freeze, i can only reboot, and after a reboot i cannot get any informations about the kernel panic
[12:57] <feugan3333> Hi all. Does anyone know how I make the "gnome-terminal" scroll cache larger?
[12:58] <evader> nessmuk, ifconfig eth0 up
[12:58] <evader> ?
[12:59] <MartenH> How can I map hotkeys for launch programs?
[12:59] <evader> otep, gparted?
[12:59] <liran> uhm, how do i show all users in gaim, not sorted into groups?
[12:59] <VincentMX> hi
[01:00] <nessmuk> evader...it says SIOCSIFFLAGS:permission denied
[01:01] <MartenH> nessmuk: try sudo?
[01:02] <nessmuk> MartenH...yeah...did that. It shows in ifconfig now, but still doesn't let browser connect
[01:03] <Therx> i'm about to try and install ubuntu on this pc, but it currently has windows xp on which occupies the whole 80gb disk, but the partition is only 20gb used.
[01:04] <Therx> I want to reduce this to a 20gb (ntfs), create a new 19gb (ext3), 1gb (swap) and 40gb(fat - documents). Can the installer do this, or do i need to do stuff pre-install?
[01:04] <mcrofutt> To each of you who've had a part in building "Ubuntu" ;      WOW,,, A GREAT JOB guys and gals!!
[01:04] <mcrofutt> Keep up the GREAT work
[01:05] <Therx> i read somewhere that you have to defrag before resizing partitions... is this true?
[01:05] <Egg098> you shouldn't have to defrag
[01:05] <evilgod69> Therx: the defrag thing isn't true, i used to do it all the time
[01:05] <liraz> Should I be using firefox 1.0.3
[01:05] <liraz> ?
[01:05] <liraz> *1.0.2
[01:06] <MartenH> How can I map hotkeys for launching programs?
[01:06] <Therx> and what are the chances that i'll lose data?
[01:06] <Therx> (i have backed up but would rather not risk it...)
[01:06] <mcrofutt> slim to NONE,,
[01:06] <lpk> Is there a GUI for unrar-nonfree ?
[01:06] <evilgod69> Therx: think, just alittle higher than the power going out
[01:06] <Egg098> definitely make sure you have an uptodate backup of everything
[01:07] <Therx> also does it matter that i'm resizing it to very close to the used size? (i.e. used space = 19.5gb, i want to reduce it to a 20gb partition)
[01:07] <deFrysk> lpk, rightclick in nautilus
[01:07] <rootbeer> anyone know what application to use in ubuntu that's similar to gkrellm?
[01:07] <Egg098> it depends if you think you will use more space
[01:07] <Therx> but it won't cause it to corrupt or anything?
[01:07] <franck> Hi, for those who care, I'm back with my SOLVED locales problem !
[01:08] <kolcvk> hi does anybody have file libGLU.la ?
[01:08] <Egg098> it shouldn't, no
[01:08] <liraz> according to my ubuntu upgrades, 1.0.2 is the latest version of firefox/latest update. Is there a way to ensure that this is actually 1.0.2+patches and not just the original firefox 1.0.3
[01:08] <liraz> *1.0.2
[01:08] <Therx> (that partition will have the docs moved off it once the install's done)
[01:08] <Therx> k, thx everyone
[01:08] <franck> It was due to localepurge, preserving only fr_FR, as most apps provide a fr translation (not fr_FR)
[01:09] <franck> Thanks all for your support
[01:09] <kolcvk> hi does anybody have file libGLU.la ?
[01:09] <kolcvk> its in /usr/lib
[01:09] <mcrofutt> I'm checking now
[01:09] <kolcvk> :)
[01:10] <hhurtta_> o_O
[01:10] <mcrofutt> sorry,,, not in my fulesystem
[01:11] <mcrofutt> filesystem even
[01:11] <funkyHat> is anyone else still having problems connecting to hoary-security?
[01:11] <kolcvk> :(
[01:11] <kolcvk> fck i cant run Metisse without that file ...
[01:11] <mcrofutt> Have you tried googling for it?
[01:12] <hhurtta_> kolcvk: why you ask?
[01:12] <kolcvk> hhurtta_, i did not understand you ?
[01:12] <kolcvk> hhurtta_, i did not understand you
[01:12] <kolcvk> what or why ?
[01:12] <hhurtta_> that file is in some opengl library
[01:12] <hhurtta_> can't you just install it?
[01:13] <kolcvk> i cant find it ...
[01:13] <hhurtta_> try installing apt-file -utility
[01:13] <hhurtta_> then apt-file update
[01:14] <hhurtta_> and use manual pages
[01:14] <hhurtta_> i'm not on home computer atm so I'm unable to help much
[01:15] <kolcvk> ok thanks anyway
[01:15] <kolcvk> :)
[01:15] <funkyHat> kolcvk, what's the name of the file you need?
[01:16] <kolcvk> libGLU.la
[01:17] <kolcvk> funkyHat, do you have it ?
[01:17] <funkyHat> i'm looking
[01:17] <kolcvk> :)
[01:17] <kolcvk> its in /usr/lib
[01:17] <hhurtta_> kolcvk: just having that file is not probably enough
[01:18] <kolcvk> may i paste few lines ?
[01:18] <kolcvk> libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libGLU.la'
[01:18] <kolcvk> make[3] : *** [FvwmAmetista]  Error 1
[01:18] <kolcvk> make[3] : Leaving directory `/home/kolcvk/progs/metisse-0.3.5/FvwmAmetista/main'
[01:18] <kolcvk> make[2] : *** [all-recursive]  Error 1
[01:18] <kolcvk> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/kolcvk/progs/metisse-0.3.5/FvwmAmetista'
[01:18] <kolcvk> make[1] : *** [all-recursive]  Error 1
[01:18] <kolcvk> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/kolcvk/progs/metisse-0.3.5'
[01:18] <kolcvk> make: *** [all]  Error 2
[01:18] <kolcvk> kolcvk@tux-box:~/progs/metisse-0.3.5$
[01:19] <kolcvk> :that is the problem ...
[01:20] <funkyHat> i have libGLU.so.variousstuff.
[01:20] <funkyHat> but no libGLU.la
[01:20] <kolcvk> but libGL.so ?
[01:21] <hhurtta_> kolcvk: try installing mesa-devel or something
[01:21] <hhurtta_> or libglu1-mesa
[01:22] <hhurtta_> or libglu1-mesa-dev
[01:23] <lesshaste>  what is support for the ati radeon xpress 200p like?
[01:23] <kolcvk> i dont have them in synaptic
[01:23] <kolcvk> lesshaste, just install the Linux Drivers
[01:23] <kolcvk> :)
[01:23] <lesshaste> kolcvk, what do you mean? You know about this or just guessing?
[01:24] <kolcvk> i have a Radeon 9550
[01:24] <kolcvk> and it works with original ATI driver for Linux
[01:25] <kolcvk> need a link ?
[01:25] <kolcvk> hhurtta_, i have onli xlibsmesa
[01:25] <kolcvk> or smth
[01:25] <kolcvk> :)
[01:25] <r0d> ubuntu wont mount my ntfs partitiions. fstab is "/dev/hda1 ntfs user,noauto,ro 0 0" any reason why it doesnt work?
[01:26] <lesshaste> 3D acceleration for ATI PCI-Express ?
[01:26] <kolcvk> r0d
[01:26] <kolcvk> try to mount manually
[01:27] <kolcvk> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt
[01:27] <kolcvk> (under root)
[01:27] <kolcvk> you may include
[01:27] <kolcvk> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt -o ro
[01:27] <razerslut> hello, i seem to be having trouble in ubuntu with my mouse cursor,
[01:27] <J_P> hi all
[01:27] <razerslut> i cant switch windows
[01:29] <funkyHat> well we can't help you if you leave, can we?
[01:29] <sophtpaw> hello
[01:29] <funkyHat> hi :)
[01:29] <sophtpaw> can someone teach me how to use irc?
[01:29] <nightswim> you already can
[01:29] <nightswim> you are typing innit
[01:29] <funkyHat> you seem to be doing well so far :D
[01:29] <sophtpaw> i don't know how to find an address
[01:30] <Pixel83> err... what type of address?
[01:30] <sophtpaw> well...for example irc.debian.org
[01:30] <r0d> kolcvk,  yea i can mount manually
[01:30] <funkyHat> sophtpaw, http://irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html this should help
[01:30] <r0d> just during startup
[01:30] <Pixel83> that's a server
[01:30] <sophtpaw> thx funkyHat!
[01:31] <kolcvk> r0d
[01:31] <kolcvk> then you have error in fstab
[01:31] <r0d> dont know how kolcvk  i have done this many times in other distros
[01:31] <kolcvk> paste plz line which mounts
[01:31] <kolcvk> (fstab)
[01:32] <hhurtta_> kolcvk: name of package containing libGLU.la in debian is xlibmesa-glu-dev
[01:32] <funkyHat> r0d, what's the line in fstab that isn't mounting?
[01:32] <kolcvk> hhurtta_, thx
[01:32] <r0d> /dev/hda1       /mnt/ntfs       ntfs     user,noauto,ro   0     0
[01:32] <jblu> HiddenWolf, I'm getting an Invalid Memory Access G4 ppc Hoary.  Help?
[01:32] <kolcvk> i had same problem early
[01:32] <ilba7r> can i install ubuntu on a partition that have /home directory without erasing the /home directory
[01:32] <kolcvk> r0d it will not mount on /mnt/ntfs
[01:32] <r0d> kolcvk, how come?
[01:33] <HiddenWolf> jblu: no clue, i don't have a mac, and know nothing about ram
[01:33] <kolcvk> try to put it on /ntfs or /mnt
[01:33] <r0d> omg is that a bug or something
[01:33] <hhurtta_> kolcvk: it has that file in /usr/X11R6/lib/ so possibly some ln -s i s needed
[01:33] <jblu> How did I address you , personally?  I didn't do that!
[01:33] <r0d> kolcvk,  it mounts manually like that though /mnt/nfts
[01:33] <kolcvk> do you have directory /mnt/ntfs ?
[01:33] <funkyHat> r0d, did you mkdir /mnt/ntfs ?
[01:34] <kolcvk> :_)
[01:34] <funkyHat> heh
[01:34] <r0d> funkyHat,  yea
[01:34] <jblu> anyone? my system usally fails in 3 or 4 days
[01:34] <kolcvk> what are the perms ?
[01:34] <kolcvk> try 777 on that dir
[01:35] <r0d> kolcvk,  yea i have chmod 777
[01:35] <r0d> but i dont think that to be safe
[01:35] <kolcvk> aaa
[01:35] <kolcvk> you know why it won't mount ?
[01:35] <r0d> besides its only read only drive
[01:35] <Egg098> I installed Ubuntu today but I have no sound at all, is there some package I need?
[01:35] <funkyHat> r0d, it doesn't matter, as you're mounting ro anyway
[01:35] <jblu> someone know about invalid ROM signature?
[01:35] <kolcvk> you have noauto
[01:36] <r0d> kolcvk,  thats why im here lol
[01:36] <r0d> funkyHat, i know. its a werid thing why its not working
[01:36] <kolcvk> remove noauto
[01:36] <r0d> im not new to linux
[01:36] <sophtpaw> #new2irc
[01:36] <kolcvk> :))0
[01:36] <funkyHat> r0d, kolcvk got it, it won't mount with mount -a because you have noauto set
[01:36] <r0d> kolcvk, i though you had to have that (NOAUTO)
[01:36] <kolcvk> funkyHat, i told him
[01:36] <kolcvk> :)))
[01:37] <r0d> funkyHat, ok let me try
[01:37] <funkyHat> kolcvk, sorry, i'm treading on your toes, i'll leave you too it:)
[01:37] <kolcvk> r0d no aito removes auto mounting
[01:37] <r0d> wait funkyHat i do have noauto on
[01:37] <kolcvk> remove it
[01:37] <kolcvk> noauto only for floppies and cdroms
[01:37] <kolcvk> (removable media)
[01:38] <r0d> kolcvk, right but isnt a regular user suppose to mount it still
[01:38] <kolcvk> no only root have access for mounting
[01:38] <kolcvk> if you need to give access to user
[01:38] <kolcvk> use sudo
[01:38] <Raptoid> selamlar.
[01:40] <jblu> wow, this is a busy place:)
[01:40] <kolcvk> jblu, need help ?
[01:40] <jblu> yes!
[01:40] <nion> hi
[01:41] <kolcvk> i'm listening
[01:41] <jblu> invalid memory access, invalid ROM signature
[01:41] <Seng> #ubuntu-fr@irc.freenode.net
[01:41] <nion> why does the xorg-driver-fglrx package doesn't install a kernel module in /lib/modules/... ?
[01:41] <kolcvk> emm what Computer do you have ?
[01:41] <kolcvk> PPC ?
[01:42] <kolcvk> nion, what card do you have ?
[01:42] <jblu> eMac G4 1Ghz , 1GB RAM
[01:42] <kolcvk> jblu, sorry but i don't specialize on Macs ..
[01:42] <jblu> is there a specialized ubuntu for ppc?
[01:42] <macintoshr> yep
[01:42] <Pixel83> yes, there ist one.
[01:42] <tahorg> jblu: yes
[01:42] <macintoshr> there is
[01:43] <jblu> is it #ubuntu-ppc or something?
[01:43] <Pixel83> has anyone experience with mac mini as a server?
[01:43] <nion> kolcvk: ati 9600 mobility
[01:43] <nion> kolcvk: and just driver fglrx does not work in my xorg config
[01:43] <nion> kernel 2.6.11.11
[01:43] <kolcvk> :)
[01:43] <jblu> I think we need one!
[01:43] <Pixel83> (under ubuntu)
[01:43] <kolcvk> nion, install native ATI driver
[01:44] <nion> kolcvk: i tried but it doesn't compile
[01:44] <kolcvk> :)
[01:44] <kolcvk> its in .run
[01:44] <kolcvk> (binary)
[01:44] <nion> kolcvk: ?
[01:44] <nion> sorry don't understand :)
[01:44] <kolcvk> you dont need a source driver
[01:44] <kolcvk> you can get binary
[01:45] <kolcvk> that is already compiled for you and have GUI
[01:45] <nion> kolcvk: from which source?
[01:45] <nion> kolcvk: you mean the install script?
[01:45] <kolcvk> yes
[01:45] <kolcvk> i will give you link
[01:45] <nion> kolcvk: ah ok thanks, i did't know that it contains it in binary
[01:45] <nion> thanks!
[01:47] <raoul> bonjour
[01:47] <raoul> j'ai un ptit probleme
[01:48] <kolcvk> ENGLISH please
[01:48] <kolcvk> or #ubuntu-fr
[01:48] <guillem> kolcvk, perhaps THAT is his problem :-P
[01:48] <raoul> j'arrive pas installer le webmin, car on me dit que la dependance libauthen-pam-perl n'est pas installee
[01:49] <jk24> raoul: crit en anglais, ou va sur #ubuntu-fr s'il te plais
[01:49] <raoul> mais avcec synoaptic je ne vois pas le paquet libauthen-pam-perl
[01:49] <raoul> OK desole
[01:50] <catolh> has anyone tried the WineCVS.sh script from linux-gamers.net ?
[01:50] <jk24> raoul: hoary, breezy ?
[01:50] <enno_> hello. just installed ubuntu hoary. hardware works great.  thank you guys.
[01:50] <kolcvk> nion , https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
[01:50] <mikul> i installd linux/ubuntu for the first time yesterday and trying to learn som shit now. and i'm woundering if someone know how i can change the standard terminal in ubuntu/gnome...
[01:51] <kolcvk> :)
[01:51] <jk24> raoul: libauthen-pam-perl: 0.14-1 0 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages
[01:51] <kolcvk> just run another terminal e.g sh
[01:51] <samu> does ubuntu come with any small apps for displaying pictures?
[01:51] <jk24> mikul: why, what't wrong with gnome-terminal ?
[01:52] <mikul> yeah, i have installd another terminal but i want to make that one standard
[01:52] <kolcvk> use  setenv
[01:52] <kolcvk> :)
[01:52] <kolcvk> or chsh
[01:52] <kolcvk> chsh USERNAME
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> samu: yeah the default one
[01:52] <jk24> kolcvk: nop, that's change the shell, not the terminal
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> double click on a picture
[01:52] <sexcopter8000m> what is a good solution for anti-virus in ubuntu? do i need any?
[01:53] <HrdwrBoB> the best app is gthumb
[01:53] <HrdwrBoB> sexcopter8000m: you don't need one
[01:53] <samu> HrdwrBoB, but from the command line?
[01:53] <sexcopter8000m> oh cool. can you tell me why?
[01:53] <HrdwrBoB> gthumb file.jpg
[01:53] <samu> HrdwrBoB, thanks
[01:53] <HrdwrBoB> sexcopter8000m: because there aren't any viruses as such for ubuntu
[01:53] <holycow> or linux in general
[01:54] <jk24> mikul: prefered apps/terminal on the system/settings menu
[01:54] <sexcopter8000m> is that just because no-one's bothered to write any?
[01:54] <holycow> no one has found one in the wild ever i don't think
[01:54] <HrdwrBoB> sexcopter8000m: partly
[01:54] <holycow> sexcopter8000m, well have you ever tried to actually install software on linux?
[01:54] <holycow> do you see how hard that is?
[01:54] <sexcopter8000m> only using apt-get
[01:54] <holycow> imagine writing a virus?
[01:54] <kolcvk> sexcopter8000m, http://www.ubuntuguide.com
[01:54] <holycow> you would need to convince the users to like download dependencies, and compile it, and install it
[01:54] <holycow> submit patches
[01:54] <holycow> -_-
[01:54] <holycow> it aint happening
[01:55] <kolcvk> :)
[01:55] <HrdwrBoB> holycow: well.. that's a bit misleading
[01:55] <HrdwrBoB> but close enough for jazz
[01:55] <sexcopter8000m> hmm, so all this you hear about people exploiting windows with a jpeg... is that just windows being its wonderful mysterious stupid self?
[01:55] <kolcvk> :))
[01:55] <holycow> yes it is, lame attempt at humour
[01:55] <HrdwrBoB> sexcopter8000m: pretty much
[01:55] <holycow> >_>
[01:55] <sexcopter8000m> ok :)
[01:55] <samu> i thought you are not supposed to link to ubuntuguide
[01:55] <kolcvk> Winslows must die
[01:55] <sexcopter8000m> what about spyware, malware etc, does the same apply?
[01:55] <kolcvk> :)
[01:55] <simone> hi
[01:55] <holycow> same, no one has found any
[01:55] <kolcvk> hi simone
[01:55] <kolcvk> :)
[01:56] <simone> i have a problem with password in the network setting
[01:56] <mikul> jk24, thanks!
[01:56] <sexcopter8000m> nice, no spyware or viruses to worry about ^_^
[01:57] <sexcopter8000m> or is it virii, the plural of virus? ;p
[01:57] <njan> sexcopter8000m, no. It isn't.
[01:57] <njan> :)
[01:57] <lesshaste> does mplayer work in 64 bit mode on an Athlon 64?
[01:57] <razerslut> hello, i am having trouble getting amarok to play files, it just does nothing when i click play, anyone have any idea why?
[01:58] <kolcvk> razerslut, use XMMS
[01:58] <kolcvk> :)
[01:58] <anacron> razerslut: does you other sound's work?
[01:58] <Egg098> i installed ubuntu today, i have no sound at all - is there a package i need?
[01:59] <razerslut> anacron: yes
[01:59] <kolcvk> Egg098, maybe
[01:59] <Nameeater> anyway to play windows media player streams? (audio)
[01:59] <razerslut> it seems to be with the player, it is not actually playing the file
[01:59] <vinboy> if I installed a new library
[01:59] <aleksi> Egg098: ubuntuguide.org solved my sound problem
[01:59] <vinboy> do I need to restart ubuntu?
[01:59] <razerslut> kolvck: i would, but it is very ugly and i hate it
[01:59] <kolcvk> but maybe your card is not configured well
[01:59] <Egg098> thanks, i'll take a look
[01:59] <anacron> razerslut: well check out that amarok is using right soundinput (alsa etc)
[02:00] <razerslut> how do i check that?
[02:00] <holycow> then try beep media player or muine
[02:00] <anacron> razerslut: i dunno, im not using amarok :D
[02:00] <holycow> but it sounds like you need w32codecs ... do you have those?
[02:00] <funkyHat> holycow, bmp won't work any better than xmms if that isn't working
[02:00] <holycow> if not check out the ubuntu website for instructions
[02:00] <baua_Dr_GonZo> hello
[02:00] <razerslut> anacron: what are you using?
[02:00] <holycow> funkyHat, *nod*
[02:01] <razerslut> it doesnt seem to be a sound problem, when i click on play nothing happens.
[02:01] <razerslut> it just is not responding
[02:01] <baua_Dr_GonZo> I have a question
[02:01] <baua_Dr_GonZo> how change the resolution of the console mode
[02:01] <baua_Dr_GonZo> ???
[02:01] <baua_Dr_GonZo> pls
[02:01] <baua_Dr_GonZo> :)
[02:01] <razerslut> when i try to play songs in xmms it freezes up too
[02:01] <funkyHat> razerslut, that is a sound problem
[02:01] <razerslut> the player window actually stops
[02:01] <funkyHat> kill xmms (killall xmms in a terminal window)
[02:01] <razerslut> alright
[02:02] <funkyHat> open it again, and change the output plugin to esound
[02:02] <anacron> razerslut: xmms, works great
[02:02] <razerslut> it is not at the moment
[02:02] <razerslut> i prefer a player with a WMP type interface
[02:02] <razerslut> instead of a winamp type ui
[02:02] <kolcvk> razerslut, then use MPlayer
[02:02] <kolcvk> or Xine
[02:02] <razerslut> mplayer does not work for me either
[02:02] <razerslut> it freezes on load
[02:03] <kolcvk> :)
[02:03] <razerslut> which seems to be a sound problem again
[02:03] <holycow> or totem-xine
[02:03] <razerslut> but i do not have this problem with the default music player, rhythmbox
[02:03] <kolcvk> :)
[02:03] <kolcvk> razerslut, please look at Options
[02:03] <razerslut> i would like to use amarok
[02:03] <kolcvk> look for some Sound Output
[02:03] <kolcvk> driver
[02:04] <kolcvk> ALSA , eSound , OSS ...
[02:04] <razerslut> kolvck: in what player?
[02:04] <razerslut> i have noticed that amarok does not have a music engine selected
[02:04] <Ice-Breaker> hi. i have a problem with installing grub or lilo in the mbr during installation. could it be a problem that there ist no boot part in the 1st sector auf my harddisk
[02:04] <razerslut> and there isnt one that can be selected, would that have something to do with it?
[02:04] <djp> i use rhythmbox to listen to my .ogg files and ogg123 to listen to .ogg streams
[02:05] <razerslut> rhythmbox is not bad but it is not great either
[02:05] <razerslut> i would prefer amarok
[02:05] <djp> .ogg streams do not currently work properly under rhythmbox
[02:05] <sexcopter8000m> if i have a folder like, for example, ~/.aMule, how can i see it in the file browser?
[02:05] <kolcvk> Ice-Breaker, it may be Corrupted CD-ROM
[02:05] <sexcopter8000m> does the . make it hidden or something?
[02:05] <kolcvk> yes
[02:05] <holycow> yup
[02:05] <sexcopter8000m> so can i browse it or can i *only* get there through a shell?
[02:05] <Ice-Breaker> kolcvk, wqas there a version of ubuntu 5.04 that has that problem?
[02:06] <holycow> view / show hidden files
[02:06] <razerslut> i have noticed that amarok does not have a music engine selected
[02:06] <razerslut> is that a possible problem?
[02:06] <sexcopter8000m> ah of course, cheers
[02:06] <holycow> no in nautilus do view / show hidden
[02:06] <kolcvk> Ice-Breaker, i have about 30 Cds that are corrupted
[02:06] <kolcvk> (failed integrity check)
[02:07] <Ice-Breaker> kolcvk how can i test that on windows?
[02:07] <kolcvk> you cant
[02:07] <kolcvk> just boot from CD
[02:07] <kolcvk> try to install
[02:07] <kolcvk> and when there will be error
[02:07] <kolcvk> choos
[02:07] <kolcvk> Check CD-ROM for Integrity
[02:07] <kolcvk> choose *
[02:08] <Ice-Breaker> ok will try that
[02:08] <Ice-Breaker> thx alot
[02:08] <kolcvk> np
[02:08] <kolcvk> if it fails
[02:08] <kolcvk> then the fault is in CD
[02:09] <Ice-Breaker> my pc ist no testing :D
[02:09] <razerslut> mm. daft punk. goodness.
[02:09] <kolcvk> :))))
[02:10] <Ice-Breaker> must i configur a swap part?
[02:10] <kolcvk> thats not nesecery
[02:10] <kolcvk> if you have good PC
[02:10] <kolcvk> it will run without swap
[02:10] <kolcvk> (about 768 megs of ram)
[02:10] <Ice-Breaker> i've got 1gb ram
[02:11] <kolcvk> :0
[02:11] <kolcvk> you may use swap if you ant
[02:11] <kolcvk> want *
[02:11] <kolcvk> but with this ammount of ram
[02:11] <kolcvk> the swap will only slow the work
[02:12] <Ice-Breaker> the prblem ist there are 2 windows part on the disk and and configuring 5 prim part doesnt work...
[02:12] <kolcvk> offcourse
[02:12] <kolcvk> the HDD can only have 4 primary parts
[02:12] <kolcvk> but you could have 1 win Primary and second Win Ext. Logical
[02:13] <Ice-Breaker> but there data an i cant backitup easily
[02:13] <Hoxzer> How do I jump between windows in screen_
[02:13] <Hoxzer> ?
[02:14] <Ice-Breaker> o ris there a save way to transform a prim part into a ext one?
[02:15] <kolcvk> emm actually im not informed about this
[02:16] <Ice-Breaker> kolcvk the cd is correct so that isnt the problem
[02:16] <kolcvk> hmm
[02:16] <gooktime> Hoxzer: control a space
[02:16] <kolcvk> Ice-Breaker, then just try again
[02:17] <learn25> Hi. All
[02:17] <kolcvk> and GRUB MUST be in MBR
[02:17] <kolcvk> :)
[02:17] <kolcvk> learn25, hi
[02:17] <learn25> A new version of fire-fox for linux is now available.
[02:17] <Ice-Breaker> try again installing the whole system or the bootmanager?
[02:17] <learn25> When will the deb package be available for download?
[02:18] <Ice-Breaker> tried lilo and grub an both does not work
[02:18] <learn25> firefox 1.0.6
[02:18] <kolcvk> whole
[02:19] <Ice-Breaker> will try it later. first i eat some thing
[02:19] <Ice-Breaker> thx for your help
[02:19] <liraz> I have tried doing a fixmbr in windows recovery, but I still get ntldr missing(even after totally destroyed grub and setting the second hdd as the first as windows is on)...
[02:19] <liraz> no matter what I do, I get the same thing, ntldr missing
[02:20] <concept10> liraz, did you also try fixboot?
[02:20] <razerslut> can someone tell me where the xchat app dir is stored in ubuntu?
[02:20] <liraz> concept10, what is fixboot?
[02:20] <razerslut> er, im sorry, the gaim dir
[02:20] <razerslut> =)
[02:21] <concept10> liraz, look at the help screen on there or search, I cant find the link for you
[02:22] <concept10> razerslut, locate gaim
[02:22] <razerslut> thank you
[02:22] <Sputn1k> where is windows partitions?
[02:23] <razerslut> can someone tell me what /. means in a directory?
[02:23] <mjr> /. is the root directory, just . is the current directory
[02:23] <razerslut> and does this have anything to do with seeing these files/dirs in file browser?
[02:23] <concept10> razerslut, /usr/bin/gaim
[02:24] <razerslut> mjr: so what dir would this be /home/jon/.gaim
[02:24] <razerslut> and how would i access this dir?
[02:24] <Zukero> hello
[02:24] <Sputn1k> where is windows partitions in ubuntu?
[02:25] <Zukero> i can't get Totem to read video files correctly, nor its thumbnailer for nautilus....
[02:25] <othernoob> Sputn1k: you'll have to mount it first.
[02:25] <Zukero> i followed the procedure about multimedia codecs on ubuntuguide.org
[02:25] <mjr> razerslut, .gaim is just .gaim, it differs from . by "gaim" ;)
[02:25] <Zukero> but still, not thumbnails, and no videos in totem
[02:25] <liraz> concept10, it writes a whole new partition boot sector
[02:25] <mjr> razerslut, anyway, at least from the open location dialog, wasit ctrl-l
[02:25] <razerslut> mjr: yeah but these files and directories dont show up in file browser, why not?
[02:26] <razerslut> open location?
[02:26] <mjr> razerslut, these "dotfiles" are by convention hidden on unix
[02:26] <razerslut> ok
[02:26] <razerslut> how can i make them unhidden?
[02:26] <mjr> ctrl-l in file dialogs or the nautilus browser window, as said
[02:26] <Zukero> when I open a video with totem, I can hear the sound stream, but the video is replaced by some audio visualisation plug-in...
[02:26] <mjr> I think at least file dialogs have a right-click-menu that allows you to make them visible too
[02:27] <mjr> dunno about nautilus, can't check now
[02:27] <djp> Zukero: sounds like you do not have the correct codec to play that file
[02:27] <razerslut> well i was hoping to view them in file browser. that is nautilus?
[02:27] <djp> Zukero: what is the file you are trying to play?
[02:27] <mjr> razerslut, well, see the settings and possible context menus then
[02:27] <Zukero> djp : they all play nicely in MPlayer
[02:27] <Zukero> djp : lots of them
[02:27] <Zukero> divx
[02:28] <Zukero> xvid
[02:28] <Zukero> mkv
[02:28] <mjr> zukero, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:28] <Zukero> none worked
[02:28] <djp> Zukero: under totem you will need to install gstreamer-ffmpeg
[02:28] <Zukero> djp : that's done
[02:28] <Zukero> and all the ones listed in ubuntuguide.org
[02:28] <mjr> I think that should be gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[02:28] <djp> Zukero: gstreamer-plugins metapackage?
[02:29] <Zukero> done too
[02:29] <vinboy> hi guys
[02:29] <vinboy> how do I change my window background color?
[02:29] <djp> Zukero: should playback then... sorry i can't be anymore help i'm afraid. maybe someone else here knows of certain issues
[02:29] <Zukero> http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[02:29] <Zukero> that's what i did
[02:30] <djp> mjy: cheers. yes what mrj said Zukero
[02:30] <mjr> Zukero, well. Maybe try totem-xine instead of the default totem-gstreamer
[02:30] <TooSad> hi, what program must i install to connect my D500 in bluetooth way?
[02:30] <mjr> though for me totem-gstreamer plays xvids with the ffmpeg codec pack
[02:30] <Zukero> djp : is there any way to use MPlayer as thumbnailer ?
[02:30] <djp> mjr: same here
[02:30] <holycow> Epiphany extensions are different from Mozilla Firefox's because they are implemented in C or Python as opposed to Javascript. This gives enormous flexibility and a bit of added challenge, but it should be no problem for even a beginner to develop an extension which crashes Epiphany on startup.  <-- haha!
[02:31] <holycow> now thats why i love open source, a commercial project could never be that candid
[02:31] <djp> Zukero: you want to make MPlayer the default player?
[02:32] <Zukero> djp : default player is not that of a worry, it's more about thumbnailing in nautilus
[02:32] <mjr> Zukero, try the xine version
[02:32] <djp> Zukero: i'm not sure. i have always used the default players here
[02:32] <chaps0063> how do i setup a tftp server?
[02:32] <Zukero> ok mjr i'll try the xine one
[02:33] <holycow> sudo apt-get install tftpd and reading docs on it?
[02:33] <holycow> just a guess
[02:33] <holycow> -_-
[02:33] <mjr> it does still support a few things more than gstreamer, anyways (well, most notably the w34codecs, but reliance on those is bad anyway :)
[02:33] <lesshaste> anyone know of micro-atx boards with integrated graphics?
[02:33] <holycow> :)
[02:33] <Zukero> mjr : are the xine codecs different packages than for gst ?
[02:33] <asfra> adf
[02:34] <mjr> Zukero, xine comes with its own mostly
[02:34] <holycow> Zukero, yes
[02:34] <mjr> and it uses some of the base libraries you already have
[02:34] <Hoxzer> eh... nobody knows how to jump between windows in SCREEN?
[02:34] <asfra> how do I get codecs for totem?
[02:34] <mjr> Hoxzer, ^A[number] 
[02:35] <holycow> if you are running totem-xine download w32codecs, info is on ubuntu website
[02:35] <mjr> asfra, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8.* installs all of gstreamer stuff, which it uses ;)
[02:35] <Hoxzer> mjr: ctrl + A [number]  ?
[02:35] <holycow> if you are running totem-gstreamer search for them in repository with apt-cachje search gstreamre
[02:36] <mjr> Hoxzer, yes. Or space. Or ^A. Or backspace. Or ? for screen's online help :)
[02:36] <Zukero> ok thanks guys
[02:36] <Zukero> i'll try that xine thing out right now
[02:36] <Anton2> Zukero: /join #
[02:37] <Hoxzer> mjr: ;/
[02:37] <asfra> I'm running Totem 1.0.1, think its the default in hoary.  Does totem support TV-out when I have a ATI mobility radeon 9000 card?
[02:37] <Hoxzer> it doesn't work allways
[02:37] <Hoxzer> I have to do it like 10 times before it works
[02:37] <holycow> The GNOME Human Interface Guidelines: this documentation is not strictly required, but it should be treated with at least as much respect as exists towards the Bible, Koran, Torah and all other holy books.  <-- rofl
[02:37] <holycow> epiphany devs take their gnome seriously i think
[02:37] <holycow> >_>
[02:38] <mjr> asfra, I don't know about TV-out, sorry, but nevertheless it's not so much a question of totem supporting tv-out as it is X supporting it
[02:39] <Zukero> great, totem now playbacks nicely
[02:39] <Hoxzer> Mjr: how do I close window?
[02:39] <mjr> Hoxzer, ^A^K
[02:39] <Hoxzer> Mjr: how do I do ^A^? :D
[02:40] <asfra> ok! thanks for the help :) I'm a real n00b but the first thing u said seems to work
[02:40] <mjr> Hoxzer, no ctrl with the ?
[02:41] <oggah> ./j ubuntu.se
[02:41] <Zukero> mjr : do you think I need to reboot gnome, or even computer before thumbnailing works ?
[02:43] <mjr> Zukero, don't know
[02:43] <Zukero> ok :)
[02:43] <Zukero> thx anyway
[02:43] <mjr> probably at most restarting nautilus
[02:44] <Nameeater> is there a different filemanager's I could use?
[02:46] <damian__>  can anyone help with srteaming video in foxfire?
[02:48] <vinboy> does gnomebaker support buffer-underrun?
[02:48] <vinboy> looks like it doesn't
[02:53] <nldk> Has anyone experienced a problem with Firefox in Ubuntu not starting downloads automatically?
[02:53] <Zukero> hi again
[02:54] <jessyjackson> anybody know when openoffice beta will be in the repo?
[02:54] <nldk> When I click on a download link, Firefox does nothing...
[02:54] <Zukero> now that totem is able to playback my videos, why the f**k doesn't it want to thumbnail my files in nautilus ?
[02:55] <Zukero> is it a gnome setting, like not launching totem-video-thumbnailer by default ?
[02:55] <runge> hi do I need any special packet to get php compiled for mysql?
[02:55] <Zukero> or nautilus setting, which I think I set to thumbnail everything it can
[02:55] <ben_underscore> runge, you can install the package for it with synaptic
[02:56] <nldk> Am I really the only one that experiences this?
[02:57] <runge> ben_underscore, do you know the package name? I am searching packages.ubuntu.com and there are lots of packages
[02:57] <lok> Zukero, install gstreamer codecs if you want to thumbails video
[02:57] <tritium> runge, use "apt-cache search <searchterm>"
[02:57] <lok> or totem-xine
[02:57] <runge> tritium, that should be the same as searching online right?
[02:57] <lok> nldk, yes
[02:57] <tritium> runge, easier
[02:57] <Zukero> lok : i just switched to totem-xine cause totem-gst does not playback anything correctly
[02:57] <Zukero> now it playbacks videos okay
[02:58] <Zukero> it is just about thumbnailing
[02:58] <lok> nldk, try galeon, and for ff check that the rep where it must download exist
[02:58] <runge> ok thanks tritium
[02:58] <tritium> runge, what are you looking for?
[02:59] <lok> Zukero, with totem-xine nautilus (without configure it) thumbnails my videos
[02:59] <Zukero> hmmm
[02:59] <runge> tritium, mysql-enabled-php. though I might bin reading phpinfo(); wrong.
[02:59] <paulproteus> Zukero: Yeah, totem-gst isn't very good.  Gstreamer itself needs a lot of work; when Gstreamer 0.9 is released, it'll be much better.
[02:59] <tritium> runge, synaptic also has a search utility
[03:00] <lok> does the X problem on breezy been solved ?
[03:00] <Belutz> runge: i also had that problem, my solution is to install apache and php from source
[03:01] <Zukero> paulproteus : if fact, it does only play audio stream for me
[03:01] <tritium> runge, "apt-cache search php | grep mysql" should help you narrow it down
[03:01] <Zukero> no video at all
[03:01] <asfra> I just run 'sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8.*' and i installed alot of stuff, however totem stille doesn't play any of my movies. Do I have to reboot? for example I get this :'There were no decoders found to handle the stream in file "file:///media/WD%20MediaCtr/Media(2)/Film/Monster%20(2003)/Monster%20(2003).mpg", you might need to install the corresponding plugins'.
[03:01] <runge> tritium, this is installed as server, with no X.
[03:01] <tritium> runge, ah, okay.  Please try the above, then.
[03:01] <Zukero> asfra : i had the same problem
[03:01] <sorush20> anyone here using a plantronics headset on Ubuntu...
[03:01] <Zukero> asfra : raplace gst-totem by xine-totem
[03:02] <lok> totem-xine
[03:02] <Zukero> or totem-gst by totem-xine
[03:02] <Zukero> yeah :)
[03:02] <lok> and well if you have installed all the codec tha gst handle your movie must be encoded with a bad codec
[03:02] <lok> like wmv, rm or qt :)
[03:02] <asfra> ok, I'd like to do that.. But how do I do that?
[03:03] <lok> asfra, with synaptic
[03:03] <lok> or apt-get install totem-xine
[03:03] <asfra> thanks!
[03:03] <lok> just launch totem it will use libxine instead of gst
[03:03] <asfra> no need to delete anything firt?
[03:03] <lok> no
[03:04] <Zukero> asfra : dependencies check will remove totem-gst before installing totem-xine
[03:04] <Zukero> you can't have the two of them
[03:04] <Zukero> you don't have to worry 'bout it
[03:04] <Therx> i'm having problems with the partition manager, when i try and change the size of a partition, it asks for the new size, and then after that just returns to the initial manual partitioning screen with the size unchanged...
[03:04] <Therx> what am i doing wrong?
[03:05] <Nermal> not writing the changes
[03:05] <Egg098> you need to tell it to apply the changes
[03:06] <sexcopter8000m> howdy, just run chkrootkit, more for curiosity than anything else, and got "Searching for LPD Worm files and dirs... Possible LPD worm installed", should i be alarmed?
[03:06] <Therx> Nermal: it doesn't ask me to write the changes... I select the partition, press enter, select "Size" press enter, choose yes,  type in the new partition size (20.0 GB), press enter and then it just returns to the original
[03:07] <Nermal> maybe there is a commit changes button
[03:07] <Nermal> read the manual
[03:07] <Ice-Breaker> need some help. i cant install grub/lilo during installation.
[03:07] <Therx> manual? where's that?
[03:07] <Therx> is there a guide to this with screenshots?
[03:08] <Therx> (i'm sure a lot of people try dual booting with xp)
[03:08] <Ice-Breaker> kolcvk still there
[03:08] <lexhider> anyone give a breezy X update? is still majorly broken?
[03:08] <ben_underscore> runge, sorry but i was elsewhere - if you want an easy install of php and mysql, try this http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html
[03:10] <sebest> hello anyone knows about a good tool for assigning custom actions to hotkeys?
[03:10] <liraz> yay! I fixed windows bootup
[03:11] <liraz> but now, I'm interested to know what causes grub to stuffup the windows boot...
[03:11] <Egg098> I always install grub on a floppy
[03:11] <Therx> noone know what i'm doing wrong? or know of a tutorial?
[03:12] <erigato> hi on #debian i hear that upgrading to new release is a real problem in ubuntu, is that correct?
[03:12] <tritium> sebest, in gnome, you can set them in System->Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts
[03:12] <tritium> erigato, for the moment
[03:13] <sebest> tritium, yes, but it doesn't manage custom action
[03:13] <sebest> for example calling a bash script that i wrote
[03:13] <tritium> sebest, ah, I follow you.  Yeah, you're right.
[03:13] <erigato> tritium: so will that be fixed then soon?
[03:13] <AlexMBas> hello, I have upgraded, by mistake to some packages from breezy and now firefox does not start
[03:13] <nubbe> the latest updates still have no changes description (been maybe a day now), anyone knows anything?
[03:13] <tritium> erigato, yes.  it's in active development
[03:13] <sebest> i was using "hotkeys" but it conflicts with vmware
[03:14] <[kabuto] > if i install mysql does it get setup as a daemon?
[03:14] <AlexMBas> it hangs when loading, but no message is returned even on the bash prompt
[03:14] <ben_underscore> [kabuto] , yes
[03:14] <AlexMBas> does anynone knows something about it?
[03:14] <guillem> Can I complie for ubuntu32 from ubuntu64?
[03:14] <guillem> -march=i686 would suffice?
[03:15] <guillem> (I mean compile)
[03:15] <[kabuto] > ben_underscore: i will install it on my laptop and have no need for a daemon process everytime, i just want to start it manually
[03:16] <[kabuto] > ben_underscore: any suggestion?
[03:16] <ben_underscore> [kabuto] , just having a look
[03:16] <AlexMBas> how may I identify from apt or synaptic which packages are installed from breezy and which are from hoary?
[03:17] <guillem> [kabuto] , I guess that you could remove the link from /etc/rc.2/??mysql and always start it up as: sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start
[03:20] <paulproteus> guillem: That's best done using update-rc.d.
[03:20] <ben_underscore> paulproteus and guillem, thanks for this, i've always wondered how it works!
[03:20] <tritium> paulproteus++
[03:22] <Linux_Galore> need to make a "Ubuntu Lite" fork..... based on XFCE
[03:22] <ben_underscore> paulproteus, one thing i think ubuntu needs that manrake/mandrive has is a daemon/service management panel
[03:23] <ben_underscore> [kabuto] , is this an answer to your question? basically to disable the boot execution of mysqld and to run this manually from /etc/init.d using sudo
[03:23] <keikoz> ben_underscore just take them away in /etc/rcS.d and others runlevels directories
[03:23] <Linux_Galore> yeah the services manager in Mandriva is very easy for newbies to use.......just check of the services you want to start on boot .......dont know what the service is click on the info button
[03:24] <tritium> as paulproteus said, use update-rc.d
[03:24] <Linux_Galore> its gtk based and gpl so should be easy to move over
[03:24] <[kabuto] > ben_underscore: all suggestion noted
[03:25] <HollowFrank> i hate modems, damned thing is giving me issues,
[03:25] <ben_underscore> tritium and Linux_Galore: yeah but the whole thing behind ubuntu is to make it a better experience, so a gui tool would be better
[03:25] <ben_underscore> Linux_Galore, point noted though.
[03:26] <tritium> ben_underscore, there will be one in the future
[03:26] <Linux_Galore> Ive tried yast in SuSE too....suse is similar but a bit confusing compared to the way mandriva does it
[03:26] <ben_underscore> i've just swapped from mdk 10.2 to ubuntu.
[03:27] <Therx> k, this partitioning still isn't working... are there any known issues with it?
[03:27] <ben_underscore> tritium, any ideas of when, or who is developing it?
[03:27] <tritium> ben_underscore, I don't recall
[03:28] <HollowFrank> can anyone give me a hand getting a patch to apply, it's claiming to be malformed despite being copied character for character from the wiki
[03:29] <[kabuto] > ben_underscore: heh just found a gui tool boot up manager
[03:29] <Linux_Galore> HollowFrank: text of a diff file
[03:29] <Linux_Galore> or*
[03:29] <HollowFrank> diff
[03:29] <tritium> [kabuto] , which one are you referring to?
[03:30] <Linux_Galore> HollowFrank: have to be carefull with diff files there usually setup for specific file versions....wrong file with different options and it wont work
[03:31] <[kabuto] > tritum: found it on 3rd party ubuntu projects in forums
[03:31] <HollowFrank> it's for an intel536 modem, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntelFiveThreeSixEPModemHowto?highlight=%28intel%29%7C%28536%29 - this is what i'm following, line 25:
[03:31] <HollowFrank> @@ -73,41 +72,6 @@
[03:31] <ben_underscore> [kabuto] , did you have a url?
[03:32] <[kabuto] > tritum: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=75
[03:32] <Linux_Galore> HollowFrank: always manually edit the file
[03:32] <mgcross> crap crap crap
[03:32] <Linux_Galore> HollowFrank: cut past
[03:33] <ben_underscore> [kabuto] , what a bummer! :-p
[03:33] <mgcross> made the mistake of leaving smoons repostory set and did an update...now nautilus wont show the desktop and the home folder wont open
[03:34] <mgcross> imilb?
[03:34] <mgcross> heeeeelp
[03:34] <paulproteus> ben_underscore: Such a panel should be handled by a distribution-generic Gnome System Tools program.
[03:34] <paulproteus> And it should exist, I agree on that.
[03:34] <mgcross> where do I start looking/fixing?
[03:35] <mgcross> don't know that it's Imlib
[03:35] <paulproteus> mgcross: Well, if you don't mind losing your GNOME settings, try creating a new user account and seeing if that user can log in.
[03:35] <paulproteus> If he can, then you should restart (to kill stray GNOME processes running as you), log in at a terminal, and delete your GNOME configuration.
[03:36] <mgcross> hmmm...I have another account there....and I tried logging in...no dice
[03:36] <tritium> paulproteus, breezy should have services-admin
[03:36] <HollowFrank> Linux_Galore: first try i pasted, told me was full of rubbish, copy typed it and it's half way there, just having this malform issue and i ain't gotta a clue how to solve it
[03:36] <mgcross> that account hasn't been touched since before the upgrade
[03:36] <paulproteus> tritium: Rock on, then.
[03:36] <paulproteus> mgcross: Hmm.  Try a new one, "just in case."
[03:37] <mgcross> paulproteus: k...I'm downloading a new install cd just in case...downloading now
[03:38] <mgcross> paulproteus: 13 minutes to go <sigh>
[03:38] <paulproteus> mgcross: Well, okay.  That's sad, but okay.
[03:38] <paulproteus> If your home directory is fine, make sure to save it.  No point losing your data if you reinstall.
[03:39] <mgcross> paulproteus: yes it *is* sad....I've managed to fix every other srew up I've made...wish I could remember which updates I did...I could downgrade...
[03:40] <ben_underscore> time for bed guys, see you later
[03:40] <runge> thanks ben_underscore and tritium. I fixed the problem by changing repository to universe
[03:40] <mgcross> paulproteus: yeah...pulled all the important stuff out and saved it to a slave drive
[03:40] <mgcross> paulproteus: <sigh>
[03:41] <paulproteus> mgcross: One of these days, I'm going to write a generic downgrade-packages script.
[03:41] <mgcross> paulproteus: that *would* be nice for doughheads like ME
[03:41] <mgcross> paulproteus: lol
[03:41] <paulproteus> And me, too.
[03:42] <paulproteus> In fact, if you email me about it, I might get around to it faster - asheesh@asheesh.org
[03:42] <mgcross> paulproteus: got it!
[03:44] <paulproteus> http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/downgrade.html
[03:44] <paulproteus> mgcross: That might be enough for you, fwiw.
[03:45] <mgcross> propblem is I *HATE* KDE...need my gnome back tonight...
[03:46] <paulproteus> http://docman.sourceforge.net/home_html/debian.html - look for "unstable grave bug"
[03:46] <mgcross> paulproteus: it will clean up a lot of crap, at any rate...been playing and farting for months
[03:46] <paulproteus> You should pin releases for hoary and breezy, since this is Ubuntu, not Debian, but that should be enough.
[03:47] <mgcross> paulproteus: how doth one do that? or shall I hit the apt howto's <sheepish grin>
[03:47] <hayden> how can i install java 2 sdk?
[03:48] <mgcross> paulproteus: was from a Ubuntu specific E17 repo..lol
[03:48] <paulproteus> hayden: Have you seen the Ubuntu Guide?
[03:48] <paulproteus> hayden: Try there.
[03:48] <mgcross> e17 works GREAAAAT lol...such as it is...
[03:48] <asfra> I'm considering installing hoary on an old computer. Could anyone tell me if a 1,2 GB harddisk 150MHz and 32 MB ram will suffice. I don't need a full install. Just the minimum.
[03:48] <paulproteus> mgcross: Yeah, my script really is in order.
[03:48] <hayden> paulproteus, only jre is explained there
[03:49] <paulproteus> hayden: Ah.  Then:
[03:49] <mgcross> paulproteus: rotflmo!
[03:49] <paulproteus> Step 1. Download the JDK from Sun, latest version.
[03:49] <mjr> asfra, it will "suffice", but you won't have much fun running GUI software on it, even light ones
[03:49] <paulproteus> That'll give you a .bin.
[03:49] <holycow> heh
[03:49] <paulproteus> Step 2: Install make-jpkg from universe.
[03:49] <paulproteus> Step 3: In the directory of the .bin from Sun, do "fakeroot make-jpkg that_sun_file.bin"
[03:49] <holycow> hey guys, what happens when you accidentally drag a panel and align it verrtically where the icons become huge?
[03:50] <holycow> how do you move it back to the top for example without deleting all the icons so you can grab the panel to drag?
[03:50] <paulproteus> And then follow make-jpkg's instructions.  Once that's done (it'll be easy), install the package using "sudo dpkg -i some-package-name.deb"
[03:50] <mjr> holycow, you should be able to grab it right at the edge
[03:50] <mjr> holycow, if at first you don't succeed, try again
[03:50] <holycow> oh there we go
[03:50] <mjr> (and yes, there should be a better way)
[03:50] <paulproteus> asfra: You might be able to get XFCE4 running in 32MB of RAM, but it will be slow.
[03:50] <holycow> thx!
[03:51] <holycow> mjr, indeedy :)
[03:51] <paulproteus> heh, mjr and holycow.
[03:51] <hayden> ahh thanks paulproteus
[03:51] <wrtpeeps> what package to i need installed so as when i right click an iso i can select burn to disc ?
[03:51] <Easty> hi
[03:51] <Easty> i need help with my speakers
[03:51] <hayden> is there an extra repo i have to add to get make-jpkg coz i have universe in my apt sources but it is not installing that package
[03:51] <asfra> ok, thanks! I think I will try to get a new computer
[03:52] <paulproteus> asfra: Well, you could try it.  It will be slow for a desktop.  It will pass as a server, of course.
[03:52] <kangtQc> #J /ubuntu-fr
[03:52] <Easty> they're plugged into an in-built sound card, and ubuntu detects them, but it doesn't use them
[03:52] <paulproteus> kangtQc: Je pense que tu voulais faire "/join #ubuntu-fr".
[03:52] <MartenH> How do I set a program to be launched by a key-combination?
[03:52] <mgcross> paulproteus: her goes nothin' gonna try a new user account
[03:52] <oKtosiTe> What's a good program to organize mp3s in a directory structure according to their id3 tags?
[03:52] <kangtQc> paulproteus, yeps mais j ai ujn pb de clavier lol
[03:53] <mgcross> paulproteus: see you after a re-install...lol
[03:53] <paulproteus> mgcross: Guess so. :)
[03:53] <ed1t> i just formatted C: and for some reason now it delete grub loader too from mbr, c: had windows
[03:53] <ed1t> how do i reinstall grub to mbr?
[03:53] <mjr> MartenH, you probably need to edit the keybindings via gconf-editor
[03:54] <mjr> MartenH, apps/metacity/global_keybindings and .../keybinding_commands
[03:54] <paulproteus> mgcross: Now, what the installer *really* needs is an IRC client so you can socialize here while waiting for the install. ;)
[03:55] <paulproteus> ed1t: sudo grub-install
[03:55] <opossumjack> can anybody tell me if i can use ubuntu on a thinkpad600 laptop?
[03:55] <ed1t> install_device not specified.
[03:55] <ed1t> Usage: grub-install [OPTION]  install_device
[03:55] <paulproteus> opossumjack: A housemate of mine ran Debian on his, so Ubuntu will probably run fine.
[03:56] <paulproteus> ed1t: Do you know what hard disk's MBR you want to install to?
[03:56] <paulproteus> ed1t: if it's the first hard drive (/dev/hda), do: sudo grub-install hd0
[03:56] <Sputn1k> where i can get msttfonts?
[03:56] <paulproteus> Sputn1k: apt-get install msttcorefonts
[03:56] <Sputn1k> thx
[03:56] <paulproteus> Rather, go to Synaptic, and search for that package.  Install it.
[03:56] <ed1t> paulproteus, /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[03:57] <paulproteus> casper, you say?  You're using LVM.  Interesting.
[03:57] <ed1t> paulproteus, shall i do /dev/hda?
[03:57] <paulproteus> ed1t: Yeah, sure.
[03:58] <oKtosiTe> synaptic rather than aptitude...
[03:58] <paulproteus> Well, on the command line, "aptitude install <pkg>".  In the GUI, synaptic.
[03:58] <ed1t> paulproteus, /dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[03:58] <ed1t> i have /sda
[03:58] <ed1t> not hda
[03:58] <Easty> could somebody help me with my speakers?
[03:58] <killapop> yes agree with oKtosiTe, synaptic over aptitude
[03:59] <oKtosiTe> paulproteus: Whenever I fire up aptitude, it wants to remove and install hundreds of packages, while my system's working fine...
[03:59] <killapop> for ease of use reasons
[03:59] <Whistler> is breezy help system going to require firefox ?
[03:59] <occy> :( firefox... :(
[03:59] <killapop> what happened to ur speakers Easty
[03:59] <paulproteus> Easty: Do you have another sound card in your system?
[03:59] <paulproteus> If so, see if sound is coming out of there.
[03:59] <killapop> occy, sup?
[03:59] <Hajuu> Heya! How can I make grub give me the option to boot to my windows partition? someone said there was a config I had to edit or something?
[03:59] <occy> killapop, topic
[03:59] <segfault2k> Hajuu:
[03:59] <occy> killapop, ff been busted since Thursday or so.
[03:59] <segfault2k> Hajuu: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:59] <DuS> wenas
[03:59] <DuS> hi
[03:59] <Easty> just the in-built one...
[04:00] <DuS> spanish??? need help
[04:00] <segfault2k> DuS: k wea
[04:00] <segfault2k> :P
[04:00] <Easty> i've got a network card with sound ports, but that's not currently in the machine
[04:00] <killapop> occy, ooopss pardon me :) didnt look up
[04:00] <segfault2k> Hajuu: and in the finish of the conf file
[04:00] <Easty> should i install that and plug the speakers in there?
[04:00] <segfault2k> add thies
[04:00] <segfault2k> Hajuu: in what partition you have wintendo?
[04:00] <paulproteus> Easty: No.
[04:00] <Easty> k
[04:01] <Hajuu> hdb1
[04:01] <DuS> segfault2k olle podemos hablar en privado please?
[04:01] <segfault2k> ok
[04:01] <Whistler> any ways of make yelp work without firefox?
[04:02] <melodie> Hello all :)
[04:02] <Whistler> hi
[04:02] <marcin> hi all where can I find help for jde package (java development environment for emacs) it's not installable on hoary
[04:03] <Hajuu> segfault2k? You still there?
[04:03] <hayden> how come i cant install the java-package?
[04:03] <melodie> do someone know if and where there is a site to report bugs related to Multiverse packages ?
[04:03] <segfault2k> Hajuu:
[04:03] <segfault2k> yeah
[04:03] <djdigital> anybody know how to get Creative Soundblaster Live 24-bit drivers, for ubuntu 5.04 x64 ?
[04:03] <segfault2k> Hajuu: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/2KV6o375.html
[04:03] <segfault2k> open it
[04:03] <segfault2k> and add the code lines to the /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:03] <segfault2k> and................
[04:03] <segfault2k> reboot :D
[04:04] <segfault2k> :P
[04:04] <paulproteus> hayden: Which package?
[04:04] <paulproteus> The one you generated, or the one that *does* the generation?
[04:04] <paulproteus> Do you have Universe enabled?
[04:04] <paulproteus> hayden: Do you have Universe enabled?
[04:04] <hayden> yea
[04:04] <paulproteus> hayden: Do you get an error message?
[04:05] <eazel7> j #ubuntu-devel
[04:05] <eazel7> sorry
[04:05] <djdigital> anybody know how to get Creative Soundblaster Live 24-bit drivers, for ubuntu 5.04 x64 ?
[04:05] <hayden> i try to sudo apt-get install make-jpkg, E: Couldn't find package make-jpkg
[04:05] <paulproteus> djdigital: The default ALSA ones might be 24-bit.
[04:05] <paulproteus> Are they?
[04:05] <paulproteus> hayden: You are supposed to install java-package.
[04:06] <djdigital> they dont work...well, i have no sound
[04:06] <paulproteus> If I said something else above, I misspoke.  Sorry. :)
[04:06] <hayden> paulproteus, that doesn't work either
[04:06] <djdigital> alsamixer doesnt open...
[04:07] <paulproteus> sudo apt-get install java-package works for me on my Ubuntu machine, hayden.
[04:07] <hayden> do u mind if i paste u a couple of lines paulproteus ?
[04:07] <segfault2k> paulproteus: mine too
[04:07] <paulproteus> I had to get it from Universe.  Are you sure you have Universe enabled?  (Maybe you need to run apt-get update...?)
[04:08] <paulproteus> hayden: In #flood
[04:08] <hayden> o
[04:08] <hayden> ok
[04:08] <paulproteus> Or use a pastebot.
[04:08] <djdigital> anybody know how to get Creative "Soundblaster Live 24-bit" drivers, for ubuntu 5.04 x64 ?
[04:09] <Easty> me again... i tried doing what it said on http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[04:09] <Easty> but it still doesn't work
[04:09] <queuetue> Is anyone else finding the lastets firefox update is Just Plain Broken?
[04:10] <segfault2k> why you dont just use konqueror? :D
[04:10] <Easty> how is it broken? seems fine to me
[04:10] <queuetue> Lots of crashes, when doing very mundane things, also it no longer downloades files (or asks to download them) - it just silently does nothing when it gets a file utl.
[04:11] <queuetue> file URL...
[04:11] <queuetue> segfault2k, Because KDE blows?
[04:11] <Amaranth> queuetue: ...
[04:12] <Amaranth> queuetue: See the topic.
[04:12] <queuetue> Amaranth, Thanks - sorry  for not noticing.
[04:12] <segfault2k> queuetue: if kde blows the why is the best D.E ?
[04:13] <Amaranth> segfault2k: No.
[04:13] <Amaranth> segfault2k: Don't.
[04:13] <desrt> hah
[04:13] <humbolt> can I somehow migrate my debian sarge to ubuntu?
[04:13] <queuetue> segfault2k, Simple - it isn't.  And I don't wish to enter your religious war.
[04:13] <segfault2k> haha :p
[04:13] <Amaranth> There will be no show today.
[04:13] <desrt> Amaranth; killjoy
[04:13] <segfault2k> when? :(
[04:14] <queuetue> Amaranth, Where can I follow the unbreaking developments? :)
[04:14] <desrt> humbolt; just edit your sources.list file and put in the hoary repositories
[04:14] <Amaranth> queuetue: No clue, I guess we have to wait for 1.0.7
[04:14] <desrt> humbolt; then apt-get update / apt-get install ubuntu-desktop / apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:15] <parallax> hey all
[04:15] <parallax> i have just installed a cmi8738 pci sound card and i am having bothers
[04:15] <parallax> alsa reports: Failed to open pcm device Device or resource busy
[04:16] <parallax> all the drivers seem to be there on an lsmod
[04:16] <parallax> can anyone help me?
[04:16] <RQ> oss has opened it before
[04:16] <Belutz> is there already an update for firefox and thunderbird??
[04:16] <RQ> i guess
[04:17] <Kyral> parallax, did you use Onboard Sound first?
[04:17] <parallax> i don't know where oss would be if it had opened it already - it shouldn't be using it
[04:17] <parallax> i have onboard sound yes, but it is disabled in BIOS
[04:17] <parallax> it does not show in linux
[04:17] <Kyral> was it disabled before you installed the card (I have the same card)
[04:18] <parallax> how do u mean was it disabled?
[04:18] <Kyral> Onboard Sound
[04:18] <parallax> no - it was enabled. I disabled it myself
[04:18] <Kyral> Atch
[04:18] <parallax> i have been using a bog standard SB PCI 128 for a while
[04:18] <Kyral> I dunno
[04:19] <parallax> that worked fine
[04:19] <Kyral> the only way I got it to work was to reinstall AFTER I disabled onboard sound
[04:19] <Kyral> surely SOMEONE knows a better way though
[04:20] <parallax> I also get the following when I restart/start up alsa service
[04:20] <parallax> root@jabba:~# /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[04:20] <parallax>  * Shutting down ALSA...                                                 [ ok ]  * Setting up ALSA...
[04:20] <parallax>  * /etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'No state is present for card CMI8738MC6'.                                     [ ok ] 
[04:20] <zAo^> Belutz, only in Breezy
[04:20] <paulproteus> parallax: esd
[04:20] <Kyral> Have you tried doing the ESD thing on the Forums?
[04:21] <parallax> when i start esd i get /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[04:21] <Belutz> zAo^: why only in breezy? hoary users need it too right?
[04:21] <abhayks> anyone tried hibernate in breezy ? my thinkpad simply refuses to power off
[04:21] <Kyral> Belutz, have you heard of the Backports
[04:21] <paulproteus> parallax: I think esd is already running on your system.
[04:22] <paulproteus> lsof /dev/dsp ?
[04:22] <Belutz> Kyral: yes, but i heard it's not good using backports
[04:22] <parallax> esd is not running
[04:22] <Kyral> and Thunderbird is still 1.0.6
[04:22] <Kyral> err
[04:22] <Kyral> 1.0.2
[04:22] <parallax> lsof /dev/dsp shows no results
[04:22] <zAo^> Belutz, isnt it in the backport repo?
[04:22] <Hoxzer> can I run many Gnome-dekstops like I can run many virtual consoles?
[04:22] <Belutz> zAo^: I disabled the backports repo
[04:22] <zAo^> Hoxzer, yes, you can
[04:22] <zAo^> Belutz, enable + apt-get update :)
[04:23] <Belutz> zAo^: is it safe?
[04:23] <Kyral> Backports is safe 99.9% of the time
[04:23] <Hoxzer> ;)
[04:23] <zAo^> yes it is. Dont worry :)
[04:23] <Kyral> is MirrorMax down again?
[04:23] <Belutz> zAo^ and Kyral : ok, i'll try it now :)
[04:23] <Kyral> Don't use the UbuntuForums Mirror!
[04:24] <Kyral> use MirrorMax, but its down...
[04:24] <Kyral> so like wait a couple hours :P
[04:24] <Kyral> and FF 1.0.6 is out of Backports as well
[04:25] <parallax> should the 'sound' module be loaded?
[04:25] <parallax> i have 'snd' but no 'sound'
[04:26] <humbolt> desrt: Is this method known to be save?
[04:26] <nalioth_zZz> my opinion for you folks: here in linux, upgrading your programs isnt as necessary as in windows.  there are some users who are still using older software (on their newer boxes) because it is stable.  This is not Windows, your behaviours here do not have to mirror your windows behaviours
[04:26] <Belutz> zAo^, Kyral : the latest in backport is 1.0.4? not 1.0.6 ?
[04:27] <Kyral> yah
[04:27] <Jugan> hi i need help
[04:27] <zAo^> donno; on Breezy here (1.0.6)
[04:27] <Kyral> Belutz, there was minor problems with the Extensions in 1.0.6
[04:27] <Jugan> i upgraded from warty to hoary, and there are two kernels installed 2.10 and 2.8...i wanted to remove 2.8...how do i do that?
[04:27] <Kyral> but I compiled it from Breezy myself and have no problems
[04:27] <Belutz> ic
[04:28] <pascalfr92> :msg nickserv identify cmmdpsn
[04:28] <Belutz> i thought 1.0.5 which has problems with extensions, so they release 1.0.6
[04:28] <Kyral> if you want to you need to change your deb-src entries to breezy
[04:28] <Kyral> then update
[04:28] <Belutz> Kyral: which one do you recommend, using 1.0.4 or 1.0.6 ?
[04:29] <Kyral> then use sudo apt-get build-dep firefox && sudo apt-get -b source firefox
[04:29] <Kyral> FF 1.0.6 works fine here
[04:29] <Chris_Tucker> whats the deb line to go in the sources.list for the multiverse
[04:29] <Chris_Tucker> ?
[04:30] <ValheruLord> hi all.... i installed kubuntu without any modems but then i plugged a modem via ethernet.. how can i config it... i want to add dhcp to start also
[04:30] <paulproteus> Whoa.  You mean a DSL modem, ValheruLord?
[04:30] <Kyral> Jugan, you have to apt-get remove the kernel package
[04:30] <paulproteus> Where I come from, modems are for dial-up Internet access.
[04:30] <Belutz> Kyral: could you give the full url of the breezy deb-src ?
[04:30] <paulproteus> So attaching a model via Ethernet makes no sense to me.
[04:30] <ValheruLord> paulproteus, yeah
[04:30] <ValheruLord> i wanna add dhcp to start
[04:30] <Chris_Tucker> whats the deb line to go in the sources.list for the multiverse?
[04:31] <Kyral> Belutz, just change the word hoary to breezy in your current deb-src lines
[04:31] <dawnfading> hi
[04:31] <paulproteus> ValheruLord: Join me in #flood
[04:31] <parallax> Chris_Tucker: see ubuntuguide.org
[04:31] <nalioth_zZz> Belutz: its the same as your hoary stuff in your sources.list, just change hoary to breezy
[04:31] <Belutz> ok
[04:31] <Discipulus> Paradoxx, don't give that url
[04:31] <dawnfading> has anyone installed the jdk-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin java SDK?
[04:31] <nalioth_zZz> Belutz: but be careful which ones you change
[04:32] <oggah> anyone got ubuntu with gnome screenshots looking identical to mac os x, or even nicer :)
[04:32] <Belutz> which one should i change then?
[04:32] <Discipulus> Chris_Tucker, just add the word "multiverse" to the deb line
[04:32] <paulproteus> dawnfading: Use java-package, and it will install nicely.
[04:32] <Kyral> Belutz, the ones beginning with deb-src
[04:32] <Jugan> kyral: how do i know the name of the kernel package?  I dont wanna remove the current kernel by mistake...
[04:32] <Chris_Tucker> Discipulus, i dont think its that easy
[04:33] <Kyral> Jugan, using Synaptic?
[04:33] <nalioth> Belutz: if you are only after source, just the deb-src lines
[04:33] <paulproteus> dawnfading: Do you know what I'm talking about, or do you need further help?
[04:33] <Jugan> kyral:  ok, where does it belong? Which category?
[04:33] <paulproteus> dawnfading: Look at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142 for more info.
[04:33] <Belutz> there are a lot lines begin with deb-src
[04:34] <dawnfading> paulproteus: ok
[04:34] <Kyral> Jugan, do a title search for linux
[04:35] <nalioth> Belutz: if i were you, i'd copy all the deb-src lines and change the words in the cloned line of text
[04:35] <Belutz> nalioth: ok :)
[04:35] <Kyral> Belutz, are you using a stock Source.list?
[04:35] <nalioth> Belutz: then when you are done, you can # the advanced lines out (until you are ready to totally upgrade)
[04:35] <Belutz> Kyral: yes...
[04:36] <Kyral> Then you should be okay to change all the deb-src
[04:36] <Kyral> and yes, running mixed hoary deb lines and breezy deb-src lines is fine
[04:36] <dawnfading> the instructions ask to "fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin"
[04:37] <Kyral> dawnfading, then install fakeroot D:
[04:37] <dawnfading> but the file that i need (supposed) is the jdk-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin
[04:37] <shellhack> I need some help my apt-get
[04:37] <desrt> humbolt; a couple of people i know have done it and it seemed to go fairly smoothly
[04:37] <shellhack> is busted
[04:37] <paulproteus> dawnfading: Use the .bin file you have.
[04:37] <Kyral> shellhack, in what way?
[04:37] <shellhack> someone know about it
[04:37] <desrt> humbolt; how 'safe' it is really depends on how good you are with linux
[04:38] <desrt> like, there will almost definitely be some small problems... but if you know what you're doing, you can fix them
[04:38] <Belutz> i guess i have to make use apt-get more often then synaptic
[04:38] <shellhack> kyral: it seems that the computer cannot connect with the port
[04:38] <paulproteus> dawnfading: Still need help, or did that get you to where you need to be?
[04:38] <Kyral> Shellhack, the backports mirrors by anychance?
[04:38] <shellhack> kiral: this is the error
[04:39] <shellhack> kyral: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/restricted/source/Sources.gz  Could not connect to localhost:4001 (127.0.0.1). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[04:39] <shellhack> Failed to fetch cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] /dists/hoary/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs
[04:39] <shellhack> Reading package lists... Done
[04:39] <shellhack> W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407) hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%205.04%20%5fHoary%20Hedgehog%5f%20-%20Release%20i386%20(20050407)_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:39] <shellhack> W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407) hoary/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%205.04%20%5fHoary%20Hedgehog%5f%20-%20Release%20i386%20(20050407)_dists_hoary_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:39] <quique> #ubuntu-es
[04:39] <shellhack> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:39] <shellhack> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:39] <shellhack> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:39] <shellhack> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:39] <Kyral> OKAY STOP!!
[04:39] <paulproteus> shellhack: Please stop pasting and flooding the channel.
[04:39] <shellhack> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com
[04:39] <paulproteus> shellhack: Please see the topic's mentioning of pasting.
[04:39] <Kyral> the us mirror is borked
[04:39] <dawnfading> ok it seems to be installing :-)
[04:39] <paulproteus> dawnfading: Hooray. :)
[04:39] <Kyral> delete the "us." part
[04:40] <dawnfading> thanks!
[04:40] <nalioth> guys, once you hit ctrl-v, it is done. there is no recalling the pasted text
[04:40] <Kyral> I know
[04:40] <Kyral> it just made me feel good
[04:40] <nalioth> shellhack: please do not paste in here, use #flood or a pastebin (from the topic)
[04:40] <mrproper> Does Horay have the ivtv drivers installed by default?
[04:40] <shellhack> kyral: ok I will try
[04:41] <dawnfading> oops, cheered to early
[04:41] <dawnfading> towards the end of the installation i get
[04:41] <dawnfading> mkdir: cannot create directory `/etc/.java': Permission denied
[04:41] <dawnfading> and then a bunch of other permissions denied
[04:42] <dawnfading> and then abortion
[04:42] <Kyral> dawnfading, execute the command with sudo at the front :P
[04:42] <shellhack> kyral: its not work
[04:42] <paulproteus> dawnfading: Yeah, use sudo, sadly.
[04:42] <wijnand> i have an external usb cardreader and a SD-card reader built in to my laptop. Basically this should be a very similar device, but for some reason, it is not auto detected, whereas the external reader works like a charm... can anyone tell me why this is?
[04:42] <shellhack> kyral: continue showing it the same error
[04:43] <Kyral> shellhack, paste your sources.list into the Pastebin and I will take a look
[04:43] <paulproteus> wijnand: I've never seen someone's internal SD card reader work.  I don't know much about them, I'm afraid.
[04:43] <shellhack> how I do that?
[04:43] <sorush20> guys when I go to multimedia system slector, I click test and I cant hear any sounds...
[04:43] <wijnand> paulproteus: so they generally don't work? well at least that saves me the bother of trying i guess, thanks :)
[04:44] <dawnfading> You are real root -- unfortunately, some Java distributions have
[04:44] <dawnfading> install scripts that directly manipulate /etc, and may cause some
[04:44] <dawnfading> inconsistencies on your system. Instead, you should become a
[04:44] <dawnfading> non-root user and run:
[04:44] <dawnfading> fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin
[04:44] <shellhack> kyral: how I do that
[04:44] <dawnfading> which will allow no damage to be done to your system files and
[04:44] <dawnfading> still permit the Java distribution to successfully extract
[04:44] <paulproteus> dawnfading: Yeah, I was afraid of that.
[04:44] <paulproteus> You should download the latest java-package from Debian, then.
[04:44] <dawnfading> is it bad?
[04:44] <Kyral> shellhack, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:44] <paulproteus> dawnfading: It's just a bug in java-package.
[04:44] <nalioth> dawnfading: please dont paste in here, use #flood or a pastebin from the /topic
[04:44] <dawnfading> ok
[04:44] <IFRFLYR> Strange problems. I've been experiencing weirdness in getting Firefox to display google, and thought it was a firestarter problem, but it is not. Today when I try to access google.com or any subdomain (like gmail) I get timeouts. On the Gentoo and Windows machines on the same network, saring the same connection, try, they get right through. Is there an IP tables issue here and can anyone steop me through troubleshooting it?
[04:45] <paulproteus> dawnfading: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=java-package - download the package file from there, do "sudo dpkg -i <package>.deb", and then try the fakeroot one again.
[04:45] <shellhack> kyral: I put that link in firefox?
[04:45] <paulproteus> IFRFLYR: Is the problem IPv6 DNS related?  See ubuntuguide and IPv6.
[04:45] <Kyral> shellhack: Yes
[04:45] <wijnand> IFRFLYR: you sure you're using identical dns servers?
[04:45] <IFRFLYR> wijnand, yes!
[04:45] <IFRFLYR> paulproteus, thanks will check there
[04:45] <wijnand> interesting
[04:46] <abbe80> I installed mysql using apt-get. Every time I reboot my computer, mysql starts. How can I stop this?
[04:46] <paulproteus> abbe80: update-rc.d is the program to stop that.
[04:46] <IFRFLYR> paulproteus: hard to get to it because ... you guessed it: I cannot google "ubuntuguide and IPv6"
[04:46] <DuS> ayudaaaa please helppp
[04:46] <IFRFLYR> Can you give me a URL?
[04:46] <DuS> xD
[04:46] <dawnfading> i'll try that paulproteus
[04:46] <DuS> helpmeee please
[04:46] <DuS> spanishhh
[04:47] <IFRFLYR> DuS if you have a question ask it
[04:47] <shellhack> kyral: in the part where says name, I have to put your name or my name?
[04:47] <abbe80> thanks
[04:47] <Kyral> shellhack, I don't think you need to have to
[04:48] <DuS> como creo un servidor vcn??? spaol please not freak english
[04:48] <Kyral> DuS: #ubuntu-es
[04:49] <DuS> si eso ya lo se
[04:49] <DuS> pero kero sabes comos e crea vamos...
[04:49] <DuS> xD
[04:49] <IFRFLYR> DuS, english is the language spoken here. #ubuntu-es
[04:49] <DuS> a ok
[04:49] <shellhack> kyral: I did it, now what
[04:49] <DuS> me am new in ubuntu
[04:49] <DuS> here all freaks...
[04:49] <Kyral> shellhack, now paste the link to it here
[04:49] <Kyral> Freak?
[04:49] <din> DuS, is that even english?
[04:50] <Belutz> is there an #ubuntu-id ?
[04:50] <desrt> Belutz; there's a really easy way to find out
[04:50] <shellhack> kyral: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/761
[04:50] <DuS> friki!!!
[04:50] <Belutz> desrt: yup.. i try that... and no one there hehhe
[04:51] <IFRFLYR> paulproteus: I've disabled ipv6 in about:config. No change.
[04:51] <IFRFLYR> Any other suggestion?
[04:51] <Kyral> shellhack, looks right
[04:52] <paulproteus> IFRFLYR: Does /sbin/ifconfig show any errors for the interface?
[04:52] <Hajuu> Hey uhm
[04:52] <paulproteus> Other than that, I'm out.
[04:52] <dawnfading> i still get the same error when i do fakeroot (permissions denied for creatin certain dirs) and using sudo also gives the same error
[04:52] <shellhack> kyral: if my problem isnt the source.list
[04:52] <Kyral> shellhack, open a terminal and type "sudo apt-hey update"
[04:52] <Kyral> err
[04:52] <Kyral> sudo apt-get update
[04:53] <IFRFLYR> paulproteus: nope, it's humming along, and all other sites seem to work perfectly.
[04:53] <bur[n] er> anyone using breezy?
[04:53] <Hajuu> Someone told me to put something in my grub .lst file to get it to give me the option to boot to windows.. but when I try to use the menu item to boot to windows it says "Unknown file type"
[04:53] <IFRFLYR> it's *only* google and related sites
[04:53] <shellhack> kyral: is giving the same error
[04:53] <IFRFLYR> I'm considering /etc/modprobe.d/aliases and removing ipv6 there, is that what you were suggesting?
[04:53] <bur[n] er> Hajuu: u sure it's pointing to the right device and partition number?
[04:53] <Kyral> its working for me......
[04:54] <Kyral> shellhack, try my sources.list and see what happens
[04:54] <Kyral> aside from a lot of updates becoming available :P
[04:54] <paulproteus> dawnfading: I guess java-package doesn't support that JDK. Just run the .bin file as root (e.g., sudo that-file.bin), I guess.
[04:54] <IFRFLYR> paulproteus: and would I need to restart networking after changing that aliases file?
[04:54] <shellhack> kyral: look http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/762
[04:55] <paulproteus> IFRFLYR: You'd want to make sure ipv6 isn't loaded into your kernel.
[04:55] <paulproteus> You should use reportbug to report this bug, dawnfading.
[04:55] <bur[n] er> anyone who's running breezy... can you do me a favor and run "xtightvncviewer -listen" from a term and tell me if it errors out or not?
[04:55] <Jugan> is it possible to have a video conference in ubuntu using GAIM?
[04:55] <bur[n] er> Jugan: no
[04:55] <mjr> Jugan, hmm, dunno about gaim, I hear there's a plugin, but at least it's possible with gnomemeeting
[04:55] <IFRFLYR> paulproteus: can you be a bit more specific, I'm not following you
[04:55] <shellhack> kyral: ok
[04:55] <Jugan> is it possible to have a video conference in ubuntu using GAIM or other YAHOO-like messengers?
[04:55] <H00chster> So is Kubuntu AMD64 Breezy still kinda hosed, or is it safe to play with?  Last I read theere was some issues
[04:56] <Hajuu> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,     missing codepage or other error     In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try     dmesg | tail  or so -- If I get that error when I try to mount my windows drive.. but my windows drive worked PERFECTLY before I made grub the default boot loader... what should I do?
[04:56] <shellhack> kyral: give me the link
[04:56] <Jugan> mjr:  i need a yahoo like messenger that can do video conference
[04:56] <paulproteus> H00chster: It's probably still broken, since Debian is broken in the same ways.
[04:56] <bur[n] er> Hajuu: u know grub uses hd1,0 to be the same as /dev/hdb1
[04:56] <Hajuu> yissir
[04:57] <bur[n] er> u can't even mount it from linux?
[04:57] <H00chster> paulproteus: Thanks for the reply, just wanted the later kernel etc, have problems compiling my own for some reason, mounts don't work.  guess I will wait hehe
[04:57] <Hajuu> bur[n] er:  I *used* to be able to.. till I made grub my boot loader windows used to load fine.
[04:57] <paulproteus> H00chster: You can get the kernel from Breezy by enabling breezy in deb-src ONLY , then doing apt-get source -b linux-image-whatever-is-in-breezy
[04:57] <dawnfading> mm too bad, i guess i can't run the bin, can't install it nomatter what
[04:57] <paulproteus> Or just downloading from packages.ubuntu.com
[04:57] <paulproteus> sudo ./that-file.bin ?
[04:57] <paulproteus> dawnfading: See above.
[04:57] <Kyral> shellhack, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/763
[04:58] <Whorey> hello, dont suppose someone could help me out ?
[04:58] <bur[n] er> Hajuu: grub should honestly have no effect on mounting from linux
[04:58] <H00chster> paulproteus: Thanks will give that a try, dunno why vanilla doesn't work, but would assume with source made from that all should be fine, will give it a go.  Thanks again.
[04:58] <IFRFLYR> paulproteus: can you please tell me what you meant about having ipv6 not load with the kernel? Am I accomplishing this by changing /etc/modpribe.d/aliases and restarting?
[04:58] <DuS> hi
[04:58] <Hajuu> bur[n] er:  No.. but I did it manually.. so it is quite possible that I screwed up my windows drive superblock or something
[04:58] <bur[n] er> Hajuu: what's your windows part in menu.lst look like?
[04:58] <DuS> how i can do a vcn server?
[04:58] <Hajuu> hang on ill show you
[04:59] <dawnfading> i get a sudo ./ command not found error
[04:59] <paulproteus> IFRFLYR: Yes.
[04:59] <bur[n] er> Hajuu: if you can't even mount it, I'm assuming it's a bigger problem
[04:59] <paulproteus> IFRFLYR: Do you know what kernel modules are and how they work?
[04:59] <Hajuu> title          Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[04:59] <Hajuu> root           (hd1,0)
[04:59] <Hajuu> savedefault
[04:59] <Hajuu> makeactive
[04:59] <Hajuu> chainloader    +1
[04:59] <paulproteus> iguanasan: Cool nick.
[04:59] <bur[n] er> Hajuu: sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb
[04:59] <bur[n] er> does it show up?
[04:59] <Whorey> Im trying to get citadel to run, but i get problems with gmake not being availabe
[05:00] <bur[n] er> Hajuu: that looks fine and dandy for the grub entry
[05:00] <Hajuu> /dev/hdb1   *           1        1244     9992398+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[05:00] <iguanasan> Thanks
[05:00] <inull> hello
[05:00] <bur[n] er> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1
[05:00] <bur[n] er> try that?
[05:01] <iguanasan> Is there a fix for using gmailfs with ubuntu?
[05:01] <Hajuu> yep that worked
[05:01] <bur[n] er> well... first, I assume your fstab is wrong if mounting wasn't working before
[05:01] <bur[n] er> as for the booting problem... i'm not sure
[05:01] <bur[n] er> /etc/fstab == fstab file
[05:01] <inull> quick question for anyone in the know - I have a live cd for an ibook 800mhz, but it reports it cant find a screen
[05:01] <inull> any easy fix?
[05:02] <Hajuu> hm :(
[05:02] <paulproteus> Whorey: Install make
[05:02] <iguanasan> I get
[05:02] <wizo> lolx Internat
[05:02] <iguanasan> fusermount: old style mounting not supported
[05:02] <samu> whats wrong with firefox these days?
[05:02] <Whorey> anyone running citadel groupware o??
[05:02] <shellhack> kyral: look again http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/764
[05:02] <wizo> i men inull, i never got that thing solved
[05:02] <paulproteus> inull: Hmm, a hoary live CD?
[05:02] <bur[n] er> as a side note... that's a tiny windows partition... 1 gig?
[05:02] <MIK3MAN> hey people
[05:02] <Hajuu> no its 10 gig
[05:02] <Hajuu> :)
[05:02] <tritium> hello MIK3MAN
[05:02] <inull> yes it is paul
[05:03] <IFRFLYR> paulproteus: not so much that I'd want to not hear what you're about to tell me ;)
[05:03] <Kyral> shellhack, it looks like an internal network problem
[05:03] <MIK3MAN> tritium: hows it going? I tried afew distros and came back to ubuntu :O)
[05:03] <bur[n] er> Hajuu: oh right ;) i can't count
[05:03] <shellhack> ok
[05:03] <keikoz> whiwh ? :o)
[05:03] <tritium> MIK3MAN, glad you're back :)
[05:03] <Hajuu> im going to try something
[05:03] <Hajuu> brb
[05:03] <keikoz> which *
[05:03] <shellhack> kyral: what can I do?
[05:04] <Kyral> shellhack, it looks like its trying to resolve it on YOUR machine, which isn't right.....
[05:04] <paulproteus> IFRFLYR: Oh, okay.  Loadable kernel modules are small pieces of binary code that match a kernel, things like drivers.
[05:04] <IFRFLYR> paulproteus: I assume that they are chunks of code which do specific things, like help modprobe run certain interfaces with certain resources?
[05:04] <paulproteus> At any moment, you can run lsmod to see which ones are loaded.
[05:04] <paulproteus> Right.
[05:04] <IFRFLYR> Sorry, yes, listening:
[05:04] <IFRFLYR> Cool...
[05:04] <r0d> what package do i need for flash in firefox
[05:04] <paulproteus> r0d: Search in Synaptic for flash.
[05:05] <MIK3MAN> tritium: I actually installed Kbuntu, and I now have problems installing additional software, synaptic is replaced with Knaptic and I cant update the repositories. I need to do some research
[05:05] <paulproteus> IFRFLYR: Currently you probably have ipv6 loaded.  You probably can't remove it because it's in use.
[05:05] <IFRFLYR> paulproteus right, I see that when I lsmod | grep ipv6
[05:05] <paulproteus> If you really want, you can do 'rmmod -f ipv6', but that'll just yank the code out of the kernel with "unknown side-effects".
[05:05] <IFRFLYR> I follow.
[05:05] <MartenH> How do I specify an ip on an interface instead of using DHCP (in combination with wpa_supplicant)
[05:05] <tritium> MIK3MAN, have you asked in #kubuntu ?
[05:05] <IFRFLYR> SO what I have done is remove the ipv6 from the mod, now when I restart the machine, the kernel module will load without it, right?
[05:05] <MIK3MAN> tritium: no, I'll head there now :)
[05:05] <paulproteus> MartenH: man interfaces has an example, otherwise ask me to paste one from my /etc/network/interfaces in #flood
[05:06] <IFRFLYR> And there's no way to politely do it without a full reboot?
[05:06] <inull> so is there an issue with hoary and ibook 800's?
[05:06] <tritium> MIK3MAN, okay.  :)
[05:06] <Kyral> could someone help shellhack, I need to go shower
[05:06] <paulproteus> inull: Probably just the live cd; it's not very well-tested.
[05:06] <paulproteus> Erm, you aliased things so modprobe will load nothing when you tell it to load ipv6.
[05:06] <IFRFLYR> Ah, I see.
[05:06] <MartenH> paulproteus, ok, looking
[05:06] <inull> so avoid livecd's all together  or drop a release?
[05:07] <paulproteus> Now if you want, you can use the lower-level tool 'insmod' to load it - insmod always does exactly what you tell it to, for better or worse.
[05:07] <Hajuu> Heya
[05:07] <Hajuu> Got it working :)
[05:07] <paulproteus> inull: There aren't many good powerpc live CDs.  The powerpc install CD is fine, though.
[05:07] <IFRFLYR> paulproteus: i see. No I don't trust myself enough yet!
[05:07] <paulproteus> IFRFLYR: On boot, things like "hotplug" will modprobe what modules it thinks match what hardware you have.
[05:07] <IFRFLYR> So other than that  there's no way to politely get it out of there without a full reboot?
[05:07] <paulproteus> By default, it'll load ipv6.
[05:07] <paulproteus> IFRFLYR: That's right.
[05:07] <IFRFLYR> Gotchya
[05:07] <inull> paulproteus: lol typical - had the choice of d/ling either and I chose live to test, lol
[05:07] <paulproteus> If you're going to reboot anyway, I'd log out, then drop to a text console, then rmmod -f ipv6.
[05:07] <paulproteus> Just to watch.
[05:07] <IFRFLYR> Thanks so very much for that help, paulproteus
[05:08] <IFRFLYR> I will do just that!
[05:08] <paulproteus> Then reboot gracefully if you can, and if not, then ungracefully.
[05:08] <paulproteus> Awesome. :)
[05:08] <IFRFLYR> see you . . .
[05:08] <paulproteus> Oh, uh, run 'sync' before doing the rmmod.
[05:08] <ValheruLord> paulproteus, my friend says it does'nt work
[05:08] <paulproteus> That'll sync your disk cache.
[05:08] <shellhack> I need help my port 4000 is blocked
[05:08] <paulproteus> ValheruLord: That's sad.  I have to finish an exam due in fifty minutes.
[05:08] <IFRFLYR> Great suggestion, thank you.
[05:08] <IFRFLYR> Much obliged
[05:08] <dawnfading> paulproteus, do you think it would be a solution to use an older version of the jdk-1_5 file?
[05:08] <paulproteus> dawnfading: Yes.
[05:09] <dawnfading> if so, is there a certain version  that is known to work
[05:09] <dawnfading> and where to find it?
[05:09] <Santzes> Can i somehow install VDR with Xine plugin? I added sources to sources.list like ubuntuguide described, but i can only find vdr and xine, not vdr-plugin-xine :(
[05:09] <ValheruLord> paulproteus, aha he said it says no write prmission to file.. he was'nt root :)) he is a lamer i will teach him
[05:10] <paulproteus> ValheruLord: "Lamer" is a bit harsh, but okay. :)
[05:10] <shellhack> kyra: its my port 4000
[05:10] <paulproteus> jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin works, dawnfading
[05:10] <paulproteus> Google for that and you should be able to use that.
[05:11] <paulproteus> I'm going to be busy for the next few hours, so goodbye all. :)
[05:11] <warty_> hi there
[05:11] <warty_> i need some help
[05:11] <Jugan> i have a question...is there a utility similar to CHKDSK in windows besides fsck?
[05:11] <warty_> can anyone help me please
[05:12] <paulproteus> Jugan: badblocks + fsck
[05:12] <sorush21> guys how do I find out where a package is... I'm trying to locate Java ... I installed it via sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5 and I test it java -version
[05:12] <Jugan> How do I fix/detect disk problems?
[05:12] <tritium> warty_, just ask.  Still having trouble with the hard disk?
[05:12] <warty_> i want to install ubuntu in my laptop
[05:12] <sorush21> Jugan, I think fsck runs automatically,
[05:12] <tritium> sorush21, dpkg -L <packagename> lists all the files in a package
[05:12] <warty_> this doesnt have cd rom
[05:12] <Jugan> paulproteus:  what's badblocks +fsck?  Is badblocks another command?
[05:12] <paulproteus> Jugan: Yes.
[05:12] <paulproteus> Sorry to be terse, busy right now.
[05:12] <warty_> just a usb port
[05:13] <hybrid> sorush21: it does
[05:13] <Jugan> ok, but is there a GUI disk checking utility?
[05:14] <hmrocha> hello, i need some help setting up apache
[05:15] <hmrocha> i don't have users in the machine i'm working on
[05:15] <_apollo2011_> How do I set a file so it can be executed by a normal user but have root access, so it can utilize the modem?
[05:15] <hmrocha> all users info is stored remotely with active directory
[05:15] <hmrocha> i can ssh to the machine with a user, it verifies in AD if the user exists, authenticates it, and logs in
[05:15] <sorush21> don't know... wait...
[05:16] <IFRFLYR> Well. Rebooted and now have no ipv6 loaded and *still* cannot reach google or its subsites with FF but *can* reach other sites, *and* can ping and get a reply from google.com and mail.google.com so I think it's not DNS.
[05:16] <hmrocha> how i can set up apache to lookup info in AD using LDAP
[05:16] <hmrocha> ?
[05:17] <bob2> I'd be looking at MTU issues before I blamed ipv6
[05:17] <IFRFLYR> bob2, can you tell me more please? MTU?
[05:17] <bob2> and at stupid-firewall issues, like thosethat block path-discover and please-fragment
[05:17] <bob2> IFRFLYR: are you using dsl with pppoe?
[05:17] <bob2> hmrocha: apt-cache search apache ldap
[05:17] <IFRFLYR> bob2, no software firewall running at the moment, and no, it's sharing the internet connection over the LAN with everyone else
[05:18] <bob2> then read the documentation that comes with it
[05:18] <sorush21> jagan, I was told there is no need to worry evey 20 reboots the computer does a error checking by itself.... and fsck disk runs...
[05:18] <sorush21> jagan, I was told there is no need to worry evey 20 reboots the computer does a error checking by itself.... and fsck disk runs...
[05:18] <bob2> hard reboots are going to corrupt your disk eventually, tho
[05:19] <IFRFLYR> bob2, re mtu - I am confused by the fact that it's *only* google which seems to be affected...
[05:20] <bob2> that could mean *only* google is behind some broken firewall
[05:20] <Hoxzer> can I somehow check what is my up/download speed?
[05:20] <IFRFLYR> Hnmn, But windows and gentoo machine on the same LAN can access it.
[05:20] <IFRFLYR> And if I surf to  64.233.161.106 I can see it.
[05:20] <bob2> Hoxzer: download something
[05:20] <IFRFLYR> Which would suggest some kind of DNS issue on this ubuntu machine, no?
[05:21] <Hoxzer> Bob2: I mean my current upload/download speed
[05:21] <bob2> perhaps
[05:21] <Hoxzer> not how fast my internet is
[05:21] <bur[n] er> IFRFLYR: hosts file?
[05:21] <bob2> Hoxzer: I don't know what you mean then
[05:21] <IFRFLYR> Mmmm. lemme look if something's wacky there. . .
[05:21] <ValheruLord> paulproteus, why can not he write to interfaces file
[05:21] <bur[n] er> grep "something wacky" /etc/hosts
[05:21] <bur[n] er> :)
[05:22] <paulproteus> ValheruLord: sudo.
[05:22] <paulproteus> sudo nano -w /etc/network/interfaces
[05:22] <paulproteus> It's owned by root, so he has to use sod.
[05:22] <paulproteus> sudo.
[05:22] <IFRFLYR> bu[r] net, nothing weird in /etc/hosts - any other place I should look?
[05:22] <ValheruLord> it says there is no permission to write /etc/network/interfaces file.... and i am root !! why can that be??
[05:22] <paulproteus> ValheruLord: Root can do anything.
[05:22] <paulproteus> Clearly, you're not actually root.
[05:22] <paulproteus> ValheruLord: Try, please, "sudo nano -w /etc/network/interfaces" on that computer.
[05:23] <IFRFLYR> bu[r] ner, lol....okay I looked again and still nothing weird in /etc/hosts - any other place I should look?
[05:23] <dabaR> Hoxzer: your bandwidth is dependendent on whether you are still on your ISPs network when getting a file, or if you are oiff of it.
[05:23] <dabaR> Hoxzer: what is your ISP?
[05:23] <dabaR> o rwho even
[05:23] <paulproteus> IFRFLYR: What about:
[05:24] <paulproteus> telnet www.google.com 80
[05:24] <sorush21> guys.. I have removed the Java Run time environment.... I would like to install it again...
[05:24] <paulproteus> ValheruLord: Does that work?
[05:24] <bur[n] er> IFRFLYR: nothing i can think of
[05:24] <bur[n] er> IFRFLYR: you have same dns as your gentoo machine?
[05:24] <tritium> sorush21, I would advise you to use java-package to build your own .deb from Sun's .bin installer
[05:24] <IFRFLYR> paulproteus: nick@un1-dosa:~$ telnet www.google.com:80
[05:24] <IFRFLYR> telnet: could not resolve www.google.com:80/telnet: Name or service not known
[05:24] <bur[n] er> ping google.com?
[05:24] <dawnfading> paulproteus, just tried  installing the jdk-1_5_0, but the same issues remain
[05:24] <paulproteus> telnet www.google.com 80
[05:24] <bur[n] er> is only port 80 being blocked
[05:24] <ValheruLord> paulproteus,  wait it is my friens poroblem
[05:24] <bur[n] er> IFRFLYR: ping google.com
[05:24] <tritium> dawnfading, did you use java-package?
[05:24] <paulproteus> IFRFLYR: Space, not colonl
[05:24] <bur[n] er> any results?
[05:24] <paulproteus> colon.
[05:25] <IFRFLYR> that works... nick@un1-dosa:~$ ping www.google.com
[05:25] <IFRFLYR> PING www.l.google.com (72.14.207.104) 56(84) bytes of data.
[05:25] <IFRFLYR> 64 bytes from 72.14.207.104: icmp_seq=1 ttl=237 time=49.5 ms
[05:25] <bur[n] er> firewall is blocking port 80 I'd assume
[05:25] <bur[n] er> er..
[05:25] <bur[n] er> is that ip the google ip?
[05:25] <bur[n] er> if you type in http://72.14.207.104 in your web browser?
[05:25] <paulproteus> IFRFLYR: Space, not colon, in the telnet command.
[05:25] <sorush21> tritium how do i do that.. could you run the codes byme again..
[05:26] <IFRFLYR> paulproteus: sory, will do
[05:26] <bur[n] er> yeah... looks like google IP here... your dns is fine
[05:26] <bur[n] er> looks like a firewall/routing issue to me
[05:26] <bur[n] er> only port 80 is being stopped
[05:26] <bur[n] er> only to google.. heh, odd
[05:26] <tritium> ubotu, tell sorush21 about java
[05:26] <bur[n] er> on that note, time to work
[05:26] <bur[n] er> see ya
[05:26] <dabaR> ya
[05:29] <paulproteus> IFRFLYR: Well? :)
[05:29] <paulproteus> Can you type "GET /" in that telnet?
[05:29] <IFRFLYR> bur[n] er: times out
[05:29] <polli> Hey, I got a problem with the xlibs package, it fails "Preparing to replace xlibs 6.8.2-41 (using .../xlibs_6.8.2-43_all.deb) ...
[05:29] <IFRFLYR> paulproteus: nick@un1-dosa:~$ telnet www.google.com 80
[05:29] <IFRFLYR> Trying 72.14.207.99...
[05:29] <polli> rmdir: `/etc/X11/xkb/rules': Directory not empty
[05:29] <polli> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs_6.8.2-43_all.deb (--unpack):
[05:29] <IFRFLYR> then it times out
[05:29] <polli>  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:29] <IFRFLYR> sorry for the delay
[05:29] <polli> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:29] <polli>  /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs_6.8.2-43_all.deb
[05:29] <paulproteus> IFRFLYR: No problem.
[05:29] <polli> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
[05:29] <paulproteus> polli: See the note about breezy in the topic. :)
[05:30] <polli> paulproteus: :p
[05:30] <dabaR> also see the note about pasting
[05:30] <paulproteus> IFRFLYR: Then it's official.  You can't get packets to Google on port 80.
[05:30] <IFRFLYR> Cool!
[05:30] <paulproteus> That's, uh, dumb.  I'm going to class now. :)
[05:30] <IFRFLYR> So wht can I do about it!
[05:30] <IFRFLYR> ?
[05:31] <Belutz> firefox 1.0.6-1ubuntu1 is 40.2MB ???
[05:31] <dabaR> IFRFLYR: router?
[05:31] <ed1t> Belutz its broken
[05:32] <dabaR> Belutz: there is a firefox 1.0.6-1ubuntu1???
[05:32] <IFRFLYR> dabaR: I would think so but all the other boxes on the LAN *Can* get to and from google.
[05:32] <Belutz> its broken????
[05:32] <IFRFLYR> It's *just* the ubuntu box
[05:32] <Belutz> someone told me it works fine!!
[05:32] <ed1t> Belutz read the topic
[05:32] <dabaR> IFRFLYR: you have a router, right. How about a firewall?
[05:32] <r0d> Belutz, where did you get that file. i downloaded src from firefox site.
[05:32] <IFRFLYR> dabaR: software firewall is off on ubuntu box
[05:32] <Belutz> r0d: from breezy
[05:32] <ed1t> the official FF package is broken
[05:32] <r0d> ah
[05:32] <IFRFLYR> NAT firewall on router on, but as I say, all other machines have no worries getting out
[05:33] <djg> Anyone else having problems with locales today?
[05:33] <ed1t> wait till it gets fixed
[05:33] <IFRFLYR> and on ubuntu it's ONLY google
[05:33] <dabaR> IFRFLYR: ok well, that is not it. GO to the router interface, and check everything.
[05:33] <dylan> hi everyone ;)
[05:33] <dylan> which browser is faster/better:  epiphany or firefox?
[05:33] <r0d> flash must be broken in firefox 1.2 every time i clicki on  flash animation. the browser closes
[05:33] <dabaR> Another thing to test if its the rotuer is to connect ubuntu directly to the modem, poweer cycle, and get online to see if you can port 80 that way
[05:33] <dabaR> that way you know if its the comp or routetr./
[05:33] <dabaR> IFRFLYR: that is it, only google?
[05:34] <Belutz> why everything is broken? :(
[05:34] <IFRFLYR> dabaR, yes, ONLY google
[05:34] <dabaR> bah
[05:34] <IFRFLYR> I agree!
[05:34] <dabaR> welll, your firewall is blocking google, imho
[05:34] <IFRFLYR> Because it's *only* google and *only*& on this box.
[05:34] <tritium> Belutz, everything?
[05:35] <IFRFLYR> if that were true, dabaR, then it would block the other machines accessing google through the same firewall, iMho
[05:35] <Belutz> tritium: not everything in ubuntu... but everything that i use... hahahaha
[05:35] <dabaR> Belutz: its ok, its broken to grow back into a beautiful shape.
[05:35] <tritium> ;)
[05:35] <dylan> does anybody know which browser is faster between epiphany or firefox?
[05:35] <IFRFLYR> I suspect, still, DNS. because nick@un1-dosa:~$ ping www.google.com
[05:35] <IFRFLYR> PING www.l.google.com (72.14.207.99) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 72.14.207.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=237 time=49.5 ms
[05:36] <djg> So, anyone having problems with locales, or is it just me?
[05:36] <Belutz> tritium: yesterday i have to install apache and php from source, because using the package, the php is automatically compiled with --without-mysql :(
[05:36] <djg> dylan: Try them and see!
[05:36] <Hajuu> hi! I don't suppose there is anyone really good with Blender! in here is there?
[05:36] <dylan> ok
[05:36] <Belutz> dabaR: yes... hope so... but i won't turn my back from ubuntu that's for sure... hehehe
[05:36] <tritium> Belutz, what about the "php4-mysql" package?  Doesn't that work?
[05:36] <dabaR> IFRFLYR: dns would not allow you to teranslate to 74...from www.google.com
[05:36] <justizz> i'm newbie with linux and ubuntu...
[05:36] <justizz> how can i restart X ? :o
[05:37] <Belutz> tritium: that doesn't work, i also try php5-mysql
[05:37] <tritium> Belutz, really?  odd...
[05:37] <IFRFLYR> Right, dabaR are you still convinced it's firewall, despite other machines on the LAN getting out to google>
[05:37] <ValheruLord> when trying to grub-install hda The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly wtf is this?
[05:37] <djg> justizz: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[05:37] <IFRFLYR> justizz, simultaneously hit CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE is the rude way; selecting System -> Log Out is the polite way
[05:37] <justizz> rgr :)
[05:37] <justizz> xD
[05:38] <dabaR> ya, not router firewall, but on ubuntu. check out connecting directly to the modem to determine.
[05:38] <justizz> thx for help
[05:38] <IFRFLYR> np justizz
[05:38] <BiSK-8> 'lo
[05:38] <Belutz> tritium: hmm after i finish my project, i'll try to install it again from the packages... just because i'm too curious... and i compile from source, because i have no time to figure out what's wrong with the packages :D
[05:38] <djg> justizz: or /etc/init.d/xorg-common restart
[05:38] <IFRFLYR> dabar, not a possibility here.
[05:38] <BiSK-8> can any1 tell me a good laptop with a amd processor?
[05:38] <tritium> Belutz, yeah, sounds suspicious to me.  php4-mysql should work
[05:38] <dabaR> IFRFLYR: well, youll never know...:) I mean, remove iptables.
[05:38] <IFRFLYR> How can I determine whether ubuntu firewall is ruinning? I use firestarter and it is OFF
[05:38] <Belutz> BiSK-8: Acer Ferarri edition? :)
[05:39] <IFRFLYR> AH, yes, dabaR, that's what I'd like to try - can you help me please?
[05:39] <BiSK-8> acer ferrari???
[05:39] <djg> Belutz: Evil
[05:39] <BiSK-8> does it have amd64?
[05:39] <dabaR> IFRFLYR: well, sudo aptitude remove iptables, not sure if that is allowed.
[05:39] <Belutz> tritium: the odd thing is that phpmyadmin can work, while the php show undefined function for mysql_connect()
[05:39] <IFRFLYR> aptitude?
[05:39] <dabaR> front end to apt-get
[05:39] <Belutz> BiSK-8: yup, AMD 64 Turion
[05:39] <mbirkis> IFRFLYR: service iptables stop
[05:40] <IFRFLYR> mbirkis, thank you!
[05:40] <dabaR> ya do that.
[05:40] <Belutz> BiSK-8: with ATI X-700 128MB
[05:40] <djg> Belutz: Make sure mysql.so is enabled in php.ini
[05:40] <BiSK-8> and what abt ram?
[05:40] <Belutz> djg: already
[05:40] <djg> Belutz: Restarted Apache?
[05:40] <dabaR> IFRFLYR: does that work?
[05:40] <IFRFLYR> mbirkis, actually....Hmmm. sudo service iptables stop gets me "service: command not found
[05:40] <Belutz> djg: i also restarted my comp
[05:40] <BiSK-8> belutz, how many mb ram?
[05:40] <chaps0063> if I want to install Skype, can I use the deb package on their site?
[05:41] <Belutz> BiSK-8: i think it's 512MB or 1GB
[05:41] <BiSK-8> wow
[05:41] <humbolt> if I have sarge, and make it an ubuntu with apt-get install ubuntu-desktop; apt-get dist-upgrade, will I end up with a working fully featured ubuntu system?
[05:41] <BiSK-8> and what abt cost?
[05:41] <Belutz> BiSK-8: it's around $2300 in here (Indonesia)
[05:41] <mbirkis> IFRFLYR: hmm... maybe i am mixing distros... lol... try: sudo /etc/init.d/iptables stop
[05:41] <dabaR> iptables --list
[05:41] <dabaR> just list it
[05:41] <dabaR> in fact, to see if there is any rule about it.
[05:41] <IFRFLYR> mbirkis and dabaR: okay. . .  .
[05:41] <BiSK-8> and what abt 1 that costs less?
[05:42] <IFRFLYR> ah....I see i'll need a grep in there, too!
[05:42] <Belutz> BiSK-8: why do you want AMD in a laptop?
[05:42] <dabaR> IFRFLYR: maybne you can stop it then.
[05:42] <Belutz> tritium: is it safe to upgrade from backport?
[05:43] <IFRFLYR> mbirkis and dabaR: Grrrrrrr! It's set to ACCEPT anything from 72.14.207.* which is pretty frustrating since that's what's being stopped!
[05:43] <dabaR> haha
[05:43] <IFRFLYR> :)
[05:43] <dabaR> well, just accept?
[05:43] <dylan> how can i get beep media player to play mpg files?
[05:43] <dabaR> only one line?
[05:43] <Chris_Tucker> woot! my shipit cds came in today
[05:44] <dabaR> dylan: does bmp play video?
[05:44] <Raptoid> hi everboys
[05:44] <dabaR> Chris_Tucker: nice.
[05:44] <IFRFLYR> dabaR, it's three lines with the google IP addresses, all like this:
[05:44] <IFRFLYR> ACCEPT     all  --  72.14.207.99         anywhere
[05:44] <Belutz> Chris_Tucker: my shipit doesn't arrived yet :(
[05:44] <dabaR> Raptoid: hey everboy
[05:44] <Raptoid> grub-install /dev/hda
[05:44] <dabaR> pah
[05:44] <Raptoid> ./boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly
[05:44] <Raptoid> help me
[05:44] <Raptoid> grub-install /dev/hda
[05:44] <Raptoid> ./boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly
[05:44] <Raptoid> ?
[05:44] <dabaR> why install it?
[05:45] <Chris_Tucker> someone who knows nothing about linux was intreiged and intrested just because there were so many cds, they want me to set them up ^_^
[05:45] <tritium> Belutz, sorry, I haven't used backports.  It should be, though.
[05:45] <dabaR> IFRFLYR: try resetting the rules, let me man for you...:)
[05:45] <Belutz> tritium: ok, thx :)
[05:45] <Raptoid> grub its flying.
[05:45] <Raptoid> grub-install /dev/hda
[05:45] <Raptoid> ./boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly
[05:45] <IFRFLYR> dabaR, thanks. . .
[05:45] <tritium> Belutz, no problem.  I'll be away for a while, but I'll be back later.
[05:45] <Belutz> tritium: ok :)
[05:46] <patrickj> back
[05:47] <ValheruLord> paulproteus, he made with sudo nano -w /etc/network/interfaces but he s taking the error: it is a directrory not a file
[05:47] <BiSK-8> belutz, to work and play
[05:47] <dylan> i dont know if bmp plays video
[05:47] <Chris_Tucker> anyone know an easy way to get and install a driver for an ESS card ES1869?
[05:47] <dylan> so is xmms better than beep?
[05:47] <patrickj> \lemme check, its open right now
[05:48] <IFRFLYR> dabaR, just checking - did you mean you were going to come back to me with a suggestion?
[05:48] <sorush20> guys...how do I test if java is running...
[05:48] <Chris_Tucker> sorush20, go to a java enabled website
[05:49] <patrickj> type Java -version
[05:49] <dabaR> IFRFLYR: ya, but I have none. Remove iptables or stop the service,
[05:49] <Chris_Tucker> sorush20, or get limewire
[05:49] <dylan> xmms or beep?
[05:49] <Raptoid> grub-install /dev/hda
[05:49] <Raptoid> grub its flying.
[05:49] <Raptoid> ./boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly
[05:49] <IFRFLYR> dabaR, thanks. I appreciate it. I'll eat something an try again in a bit!
[05:49] <Egg098> what would you guys recommend as a decent WMP (library)-style media player?
[05:49] <patrickj> sorush20: type java -version in a console
[05:49] <dabaR> mbirkis: both commands you gave so far dont work.
[05:49] <patrickj> *terminal
[05:50] <dabaR> hah, I was about to type him an answer
[05:51] <ValheruLord> it says /etc/network/interfaces is a direcory paulproteus
[05:51] <dabaR> Raptoid: is there a reason you are installing grub?
[05:51] <blkdomini> hi all
[05:51] <blkdomini> is it possibile to burn .img file with k3b?
[05:51] <dabaR> Raptoid: also try /dev/hda0
[05:51] <dabaR> is there hda0 or its starts at 1
[05:51] <blkdomini> because k3d don't see .img and .ccd file
[05:52] <patrickj> yes, first question I answered in here :D
[05:52] <patrickj> lol brb, breakfast
[05:52] <dabaR> Raptoid: replace the /dev/hda with /dev/hda1
[05:53] <ValheruLord> my comp. has operating systems but my bootloader is broken.... how can i install grub and make it see my previously installed os'es without installing a new os ???
[05:53] <BiSK-8> which amd64 processor is the most powerful?
[05:53] <patrickj> back
[05:53] <patrickj> BiSK-8 Opteron
[05:53] <dabaR> Raptoid: you better read my solution after pasting yoru error here 10 times.
[05:53] <BiSK-8> ok
[05:53] <patrickj> BiSK-8: but its meant for server and big workstations
[05:54] <patrickj> BiSK-8: what kind of computer are you trying to build(if you are doing that)?
[05:54] <BiSK-8> ok
[05:54] <enyc> Valh... first, you need to boot linux from your hard-disk... using the bootable install-cd/disk for your distribution ;-)
[05:54] <BiSK-8> and for a jumpstart server
[05:54] <dabaR> patrickj: when tyou start typing, we assume you are not somewhere other than in front of your computer, or up to 10 metgers away fronm your computer using bluetooth and viewing this on a big screen, no need to say back.
[05:54] <patrickj> ok lol
[05:54] <patrickj> dabaR: good point
[05:54] <Hoxzer> can I somehow check what is my current upload speed?
[05:54] <dabaR> Hoxzer: I told you.
[05:55] <enyc> valh: i.e. boot the install-cd/disk and boot the kernel image with parameter "root=[device] " where [device]  is the hard disk device etc and get into yoru linux system ;-)
[05:55] <enyc> valh: are you able to boot into linux etc. at all?
[05:55] <dabaR> Hoxzer: your bandwidth is dependendent on whether you are still on your ISPs network when getting a file, or if you are oiff of it.
[05:55] <patrickj> Linux is the best...:d
[05:55] <dabaR> Hoxzer: what is your ISP?
[05:55] <Hoxzer> Sonera (finland)
[05:56] <dabaR> Hoxzer: do they provide online storage space?
[05:57] <Hoxzer> DabaR: I dont think so
[05:57] <Hoxzer> I already have some storage space from other provider
[05:58] <Therx> just a quit Q, how do you get into a bog standard console? i.e. close X (not permanently - just for a session)
[05:59] <Egg098> you mean Applicationa --> System Tools --> Terminal ?
[05:59] <Egg098> -a+s
[05:59] <patrickj> whats the best MSN Messenger implementation on Linux?
[05:59] <dabaR> Hoxzer: acn you tell me more about what exactly you are tryiong o measure?
[05:59] <Therx> no, a terminal without X running
[05:59] <dabaR> patrickj: well, ask synaptic.
[05:59] <Therx> (text mode)
[06:00] <dabaR> Therx: alt+ctrl+f1
[06:00] <dylan> i get the error from mplayer   New_Face failed.  Maybe the font path is wrong.  Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf) .   What is this?
[06:00] <patrickj> is there a packge for xnumlock on the repo?
[06:00] <Curlydave> hi
[06:00] <patrickj> and I think aMSN might be good :d
[06:00] <Curlydave> does anyone here know if theres a way to play songs from a windows HD
[06:00] <Therx> thx dabaR
[06:00] <Curlydave> I don't want to ohave to keep updating box HDs
[06:01] <tuxJr_14> hi
[06:01] <Egg098> Curlydave, you can get at Windows HDDs by mounting them
[06:01] <tuxJr_14> Curlydave, do you want to copy songs and play or just play?
[06:01] <Curlydave> but is there a way to get music player to play form the mounted hd
[06:01] <Curlydave> just play them
[06:01] <Curlydave> copying them's too hard as I get new songs often
[06:02] <AlexMBas> how do I downgrade a package with apt withou uninstalling other software?
[06:02] <chaps0063> does anyone have Skype installed?
[06:02] <AlexMBas> chaps0063:  I do
[06:03] <Chris_Tucker> anyone know an easy way to get and install a driver for an ESS card ES1869?
[06:03] <patrickj> meh Gaim's better
[06:03] <chaps0063> AlexMBas: just ran the install from skype.com?
[06:03] <AlexMBas> yeah
[06:03] <isai> have a 40min. mp3. want to chop off a few minutes at the end. what apps can do this?
[06:03] <chaps0063> AlexMBas: what is the command to run a .deb package?
[06:03] <AlexMBas> but had to isntall some qt libraries
[06:03] <AlexMBas> dpkg -i package.deb
[06:03] <chaps0063> AlexMBas: do you remember what qt libraries you had to install?
[06:03] <Curlydave> hey, can anyone refresh me on the command to mount a windows HD?
[06:04] <Curlydave> i have it set up, i just need the command to mount it
[06:04] <dabaR> !mountwindows
[06:04] <ubotu> methinks mountwindows is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[06:04] <Curlydave> sudo mount /sda1 or something like that
[06:04] <roo_> Curlydave, have you entered the details into /etc/fstab ?
[06:04] <roo_> Curlydave, if so, "mount -a" should do it.
[06:04] <isai> curlydave: mount -t auto /dev/hdaXX /mnt/win
[06:04] <Curlydave> ohh ty
[06:04] <dylan> can rhythmbox play video?
[06:04] <Curlydave> the prob was i need /dev
[06:04] <roo_> dylan, no.
[06:04] <dabaR> now. patrickj when in doubt if there is a package, try /msg ubotu info packagename
[06:04] <hybrid> anyone have an ati all-in-wonder workin in ubuntu
[06:04] <Curlydave> it's sudo mount /dev/sda1
[06:04] <Curlydave> ty~
[06:05] <dylan> can xine play audio?
[06:05] <roo_> dylan, yes
[06:05] <dabaR> dylan: what are you trying to play(not the name, just the extension please;)
[06:05] <dylan> im trying to play everything that Windows Media Player can
[06:06] <roo_> dylan, in one app?
[06:06] <dylan> yes
[06:06] <roo_> dylan, why?
[06:06] <dabaR> dylan: that piece of crap cant play sh. Dont tell me that is what you used on windows? I always used VLC.
[06:06] <hybrid> try muine
[06:06] <dylan> vlc?
[06:06] <tuxJr_14> do i lose my data if i change the partition type of a partition using fdisk? just the type?
[06:06] <dylan> muine?
[06:06] <roo_> dylan, VLC is available for linux.
[06:06] <patrickj> how can I get firefox 1.05?
[06:06] <roo_> tuxJr_14, yes, its almost certan u will.
[06:06] <dylan> vlc plays both audio and video?
[06:07] <hybrid> dylan: you can use muine; vlc; mplayer
[06:07] <roo_> dylan, yep.
[06:07] <dylan> thanks!
[06:07] <dabaR> muine, xine, mplayer, totem-xine all good places to start. Also, /msg ubotu restricted
[06:07] <hybrid> yes it can
[06:07] <dylan> mplayer gave me odd errors about fonts
[06:07] <tuxJr_14> roo_, bwaahaaa!!!!! :'(
[06:07] <patrickj> hey I used VLC when I was using Windows for watching family guy episodes :D
[06:07] <roo_> dylan, the best tool for the job might not be one app: dont be afraid to try them all to see which one fits the job best.
[06:07] <hybrid> mplayer needs stuff from their site
[06:07] <Therx> hmm, ok, so i can switch to a non-X console. But how can i shut down X? i need to do stuff where it can't be running
[06:07] <roo_> tuxJr_14, ........ ur asking AFTER u tried it? what type did it start, and what did u change it to?
[06:08] <roo_> patrickj, FG rocks. im watching S4E10 now :)
[06:08] <dabaR> Therx: I was wondering the same thing.
[06:08] <patrickj> Therx, is it installed, type startx
[06:08] <tuxJr_14> roo_, i haven't done it yet. from 83 (linux) to fd (raid)
[06:08] <hybrid> Therx: you can shut X down with "sudo shutdown now" or ctrl alt bckspc if it dont work
[06:08] <tuxJr_14> roo_, will that cause any problems?
[06:08] <dylan> so why doesnt xine show up in my Applications menu?
[06:08] <ValheruLord>  /etc/network/interfaces is a file but when i wanna write to it
[06:08] <patrickj> roo_: high 5
[06:08] <ValheruLord> it says it is a directory
[06:09] <rwabel> I've a question, how can tell my system that f-spot isn't any more under /usr/local/bin but under /usr/bin
[06:09] <ValheruLord> why can that problem be ?
[06:09] <roo_> ValheruLord, then its not a file :)
[06:09] <patrickj> hey where Can i get the Tahoma font for Linux, or is it a commercial fnt?
[06:09] <crimsun> Chris_Tucker: you need the snd-es18xx driver
[06:09] <Therx> hybrid: won't that shutdown the whole pc?
[06:09] <roo_> tuxJr_14, hmm never tried to raid tbh.. cant u backup the data first?
[06:09] <roo_> Therx, yes it will..
[06:09] <dabaR> Therx: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[06:09] <dabaR> try that.
[06:10] <Therx> k, cheers
[06:10] <roo_> patrickj, hmm, google for "corefonts" or "ms corefonts" or something.
[06:10] <tuxJr_14> roo_, the problem is that creating a raid takes hours!
[06:10] <Chris_Tucker> crimsun, thanks, i'll go find that
[06:10] <roo_> patrickj, i think u shud find them.
[06:10] <hybrid> sudo shutdown now shutsdown X
[06:10] <ValheruLord> roo_, cant i create a file same named also?
[06:10] <hybrid> sudo shutdown -h now shutsdown the computer
[06:10] <patrickj> i got the msttcorefonts but it wasnt in it
[06:10] <hybrid> sudo shutdown -r now reboots
[06:10] <patrickj> Georgia, Arial, Arial Black, Verdana etc. etc.
[06:10] <patrickj> no Tahoma :d
[06:11] <patrickj> its my Messenger font of choice...
[06:11] <crimsun> Chris_Tucker: modinfo snd_es18xx
[06:11] <ValheruLord> patrickj, there is a way to install :))
[06:11] <roo_> patrickj, wtf. ive just noticed i dont even have tahmoa either :/
[06:11] <roo_> patrickj, damn!
[06:11] <ValheruLord> patrickj, pm me
[06:11] <roo_> ValheruLord, yes u can..
[06:12] <Chris_Tucker> ok crimsun, so that means i already have it, how do i configure it? it hasnt auto picked up this card
[06:12] <ValheruLord> roo_, how
[06:12] <roo_> ValheruLord, wait, no u cant.
[06:12] <crimsun> Chris_Tucker: it won't automatically pick it up because it's ISA
[06:12] <ValheruLord> roo_, ?
[06:12] <roo_> ValheruLord, what is inside the interfaces dir?
[06:12] <crimsun> Chris_Tucker: sudo modprobe snd_es18xx
[06:13] <Therx> dabaR: yeh that works
[06:13] <patrickj> hey guys whats the linux ditro?
[06:13] <roo_> patrickj, huh?
[06:13] <patrickj> hey guys whats the **best linux ditro?
[06:13] <patrickj> in a collective opinion
[06:13] <crimsun> that's not a good question.
[06:13] <roo_> patrickj, short answer: depends.
[06:13] <Chris_Tucker> crimsum, done, how do i tell my sound system to use this device?
[06:13] <roo_> patrickj, on what u want to achieve/how.
[06:13] <patrickj> for personal use and some webdesign
[06:13] <crimsun> Chris_Tucker: log out of gnome and back in
[06:13] <neighborlee> is it safe now to dist-upgrade and get a stable X ?
[06:14] <crimsun> neighborlee: no.
[06:14] <IFRFLYR> MTU question: how can i find out what MTU is set at now, before I start messing with it?
[06:14] <roo_> patrickj, try them all. Ubuntu is great, but so are many others.
[06:14] <dylan> how do i add an item to my applications menu?  or why doesnt xine show up in the menu?
[06:14] <crimsun> IFRFLYR: ifconfig, or ip a
[06:14] <IFRFLYR> grazie!
[06:14] <hybrid> patrickj: what do you wanna do?
[06:14] <patrickj> personal use and some webdesign
[06:14] <neighborlee> crimsun, any idea if it will be a few more days or a week or..just wondering as I really should update soon..i've got about 250 MB waiting LOL
[06:15] <crimsun> neighborlee: wait about a month.
[06:15] <hybrid> patrickj: ubuntu is userfriendly and customizable
[06:15] <patrickj> yes but I was wondering about other distrods
[06:15] <neighborlee> crimsun, well maybe its just best to install colony cd2 then
[06:15] <IFRFLYR> crimsun, so are MTU problems commonly cause by a setting which is higher or lower than default? Right now it's at 1500; I'm wondering if I shold experiment with 1400 or 1600 to see if certain websites (like google) come up better) r is this a "how long is a piece of sting" question?
[06:15] <hybrid> patrickj: about any will do
[06:15] <klaym> patrickj: for personal use and webdesign Ubuntu rocks
[06:16] <hybrid> patrickj: newbie?
[06:16] <crimsun> IFRFLYR: if you're on pppo[ae] , your mtu is going to be < 1500
[06:16] <patrickj> hybrid: sorta
[06:16] <hybrid> patrickj: mandravia suse and ubuntu are nice for newbies
[06:16] <crimsun> IFRFLYR: and 1600 doesn't make any sense
[06:16] <neighborlee> klaym, whats everyone using for webdesign in linux now...nvu ?
[06:16] <IFRFLYR> crimsun: no, connecting through a lan
[06:16] <hybrid> patrickj: do you like compiling or the command line?
[06:16] <patrickj> hybrid: I know how to install and decently configure slackware
[06:17] <patrickj> compiling and command like: yes
[06:17] <hybrid> patrickj: well cross out slackware and gentoo if command line is not one of you favs
[06:17] <klaym> neighborlee: I don't know. I'm not a webdesigner
[06:17] <hybrid> patrickj: like reading?
[06:17] <neighborlee> ok
[06:17] <patrickj> I do like command line lol
[06:17] <patrickj> yes
[06:17] <auk> neighborlee: i'm using a combo of emacs, bluefush, and Nvu
[06:17] <IFRFLYR> neighborlee: i use jedit for all web coding
[06:17] <neighborlee> auk, sweet bout same here ;-)
[06:17] <auk> i also have Screem installed
[06:17] <IFRFLYR> nice syntax highlighting for PHP and HTML
[06:17] <chaps0063> neighborlee: i use bluefish.
[06:17] <IFRFLYR> and free as the air
[06:17] <neighborlee> IFRFLYR, kewl yeah i've heard of it
[06:17] <neighborlee> chaps0063, ditto
[06:17] <hybrid> patrickj: gentoo is good kinda bloated but you need to read the handbook and use the comman line alot
[06:18] <IFRFLYR> PLUS it's java, so works on Windows and mac too, when you need to go to client's office
[06:18] <patrickj> well How long does it take to build a working gentoo system?
[06:18] <neighborlee> hybrid, yeah for what it does its kewl'ish I suppose but who has time for source installs ?LOL ( not I )
[06:18] <IFRFLYR> pluys xampp for a really easy apache-php-mywl-perl environment out of the box
[06:18] <neighborlee> jpatrickj: hours
[06:18] <hybrid> neighborlee: heh
[06:18] <hybrid> just giving options
[06:18] <neighborlee> patrickj, unless you have a real fast system even though its going totake a few hours
[06:18] <IFRFLYR> those two plus lftp command line ftp / sftp client and you're good to go
[06:18] <chaps0063> neighborlee: do you have any sites that are live?
[06:18] <neighborlee> hybrid, yup
[06:19] <neighborlee> chaps0063, yes
[06:19] <hybrid> imho anything gentoo and slack can do ubuntu can
[06:19] <patrickj> only a few hours?
[06:19] <yccheok> anyone of u encounter problem in firefox, when u click on a link where link to a file, (torrent or zip....), nothing happen. but when u click on IE, it prompt u to save the file :(
[06:19] <neighborlee> chaps0063, sure do .andemade with nvu..
[06:19] <patrickj> i thought it was a couple days!?!?!
[06:19] <neighborlee> chaps0063, http://www.heartseed.org
[06:19] <Chris_Tucker> crimsun, Many many thanks, you seem to be a GREAT help around here
[06:19] <auk> patrickj: gentoo is //hard// to install
[06:19] <hybrid> patrickj: well stage 1 2 or 3
[06:19] <roo_> gentoo has the best installation docs ive ever read.
[06:19] <hybrid> 3 no time
[06:19] <patrickj> well that what the manual is for I guess
[06:19] <hybrid> 2 couple hours
[06:19] <hybrid> 1 prolly days
[06:19] <roo_> yes its hard*er* than Ubuntu, but the gentoo installation is by no means imposs.
[06:19] <patrickj> what is install stage 2
[06:19] <patrickj> and 1?
[06:20] <auk> i tried...and i failed miserably
[06:20] <patrickj> well ive install LFS before
[06:20] <auk> roo_: i didn't say it was imopssible
[06:20] <neighborlee> patrickj, frankly I rec commend 'vidalinux'
[06:20] <roo_> auk, thats nice. i didnt say u said that either.
[06:20] <hybrid> patrickj: satge 1 has very lil 2 some 3 good bit of pkgs
[06:20] <roo_> patrickj, is there a reason why u cant/wont use Ubuntu?
[06:20] <neighborlee> patrickj, got very high scores from reviewers and its a real easy setup into gentoo
[06:21] <patrickj> well Im just wondering about gentoo
[06:21] <patrickj> ive heard ALOT about it :D
[06:21] <neighborlee> patrickj, you dont need to spend HOURS compiling ( youlll get a i686 system anyway) and can get the rest via soruce IF you wish )
[06:21] <auk> oh, i thought what you said was directed at me
[06:21] <hybrid> patrickj: if you have time and like tweaking
[06:21] <dabaR> must get food...
[06:21] <auk> :)
[06:21] <neighborlee> patrickj, OR if you rather ....do it  regular way BUT choose stage3/GRP
[06:21] <roo_> auk, nope :)
[06:21] <hybrid> although 2005.0 has been dissed for tweakers
[06:22] <neighborlee> patrickj, my opinions...you can also choose to do it long compile way IF you have relatively fast system &/or alot of spare time <G>
[06:22] <patrickj> 2.4 GHz
[06:22] <patrickj> 768 MB ram
[06:22] <nubbe> how do I get manually installed packages to show up in synaptic?
[06:22] <neighborlee> patrickj, bout same here
[06:22] <chaps0063> how easy was jedit to install?
[06:22] <neighborlee> patrickj, you'll need several hours then as I did
[06:22] <nubbe> neither java nor azureus is there...
[06:22] <hybrid> apt and compiling
[06:22] <hybrid> nubbe: add repos
[06:23] <neighborlee> patrickj, unless you do the stage3/GRP route then not as many hours ;-)..or if you go  vida linux you can get it in like 45 minutes
[06:23] <hybrid> nubbe: may need to get azuerus deb
[06:23] <patrickj> what is vidalinux, and is it any good?
[06:23] <nubbe> I mean already installed packages
[06:23] <hybrid> nubbe: ?
[06:24] <patrickj> OMG, how dumb, they ,ake it look like Windows **Vista**
[06:24] <nubbe> hybrid, I got both java and azureus installed, works fine, but I can't find them in synaptic
[06:25] <patrickj> once java is installed
[06:25] <cikilin> hello
[06:25] <patrickj> apt-get install azureus
[06:25] <hybrid> nubbe: b/c you didnt get them from synaptic. did you?
[06:25] <cikilin> how i burn an img on ubuntu ?
[06:25] <nubbe> hybrid, nope, right
[06:25] <hybrid> cikilin: i would try graveman
[06:25] <cikilin> graveman?
[06:25] <patrickj> is there something to install .ttf files as fonts in linux?
[06:26] <hybrid> nubbe: how the hell you get java from synaptic?
[06:26] <yonil> you know the bug when firefox says im using a profile which i aint (since i killed it), i forgot how to solve it (to delete some file)
[06:26] <patrickj> because I got a crapload of Windows fonts on my windows partition :p
[06:26] <nubbe> hybrid, it's in backports
[06:26] <hybrid> cikilin: it is a burner program
[06:26] <Raptoid> ./boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly
[06:26] <Raptoid> ?
[06:26] <Raptoid> help me
[06:26] <hybrid> nubbe: oka
[06:26] <hybrid> y
[06:26] <Raptoid> grub-install /dev/hda -->
[06:26] <Raptoid> ./boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly
[06:26] <cikilin> ok
[06:26] <patrickj> when ubuntu 5.05 coming out, and when it does is it possible to upgrade without overwriting install?
[06:26] <cikilin> i'll install it
[06:26] <hybrid> nubbe: can you see anything else in backports thru synaptic
[06:27] <mgcross> k...just did a fesh install....how do I get my debian menu back?
[06:27] <hybrid> cikilin: not forsure if it does imgs but i think so
[06:27] <Belial> hi all
[06:27] <cikilin> ok kybrid
[06:27] <patrickj> hey, how can I configure root-tail?
[06:27] <nubbe> hybrid, I can see all backports packages, I think
[06:27] <b093L> hi all
[06:28] <hybrid> nubbe: except java?
[06:28] <cikilin> the firmware of my harddisk how i ll update hybrid?
[06:28] <nubbe> hybrid, but I need help to figure out how to get rid of the manually installed java
[06:28] <hybrid> cikilin: i dont understand
[06:28] <Belial> hm i have a little question. If i want to go trought a Windows PC in the Internet with my ubuntu PC i have to activate ICS is that correct ????
[06:28] <patrickj> where are the Eterm lofs?
[06:29] <hybrid> nubbe: dpkg -r <java pkg>
[06:29] <mgcross> any help...tied of the Ubuntu menu now showing all apps
[06:29] <nubbe> hybrid, yes, how do I igure out what <java pkg> ACTUALLY is?
[06:29] <Belial>  hm i have a little question. If i want to go trought a Windows PC in the Internet with my ubuntu PC i have to activate ICS is that correct ????
[06:29] <Belial> sry for my poor english
[06:30] <hybrid> nubbe: what was it when you dpkg -i <pkg>
[06:30] <patrickj> hey u know desktop syuff like torsmo, is there anything else like that?
[06:30] <nubbe> hybrid, If I remembered that, I wouldn't be here now,
[06:30] <Elrohir> what are the minimum hardware requirments for Hoary?
[06:30] <nubbe> java version "1.5.0_02"
[06:30] <hybrid> nubbe: lol
[06:30] <Raptoid> grub-install /dev/hda -->
[06:30] <Raptoid> ./boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly
[06:30] <Raptoid> helpppppppppppp
[06:30] <Raptoid> helpppppppppppp
[06:30] <Raptoid> helpppppppppppp
[06:30] <hybrid> nubbe: try grep | java
[06:31] <hybrid> Raptoid: pls dont floos
[06:31] <hybrid> **flood
[06:31] <aksn> which is the correct runlevel on ubuntu to go single user?
[06:31] <Raptoid> :)
[06:31] <Raptoid> ok
[06:31] <Raptoid> man
[06:31] <Raptoid> sorry
[06:31] <Raptoid> help me
[06:31] <nubbe> hybrid, grep what?
[06:31] <mgcross> any help?
[06:31] <patrickj> Elrohir: 32 MB Ram, with at least 350 MB HDD Space(1.8 G reccomended for typical install)
[06:31] <hybrid> nubbe: grep | java
[06:31] <Elrohir> thanx!
[06:32] <patrickj> atleast for the x86 version!
[06:32] <patrickj> your welcome
[06:32] <Belial> someone who konws abbout windows and ubuntu connection ???
[06:32] <patrickj> yay my second question answered
[06:32] <Elrohir> btw, processor?
[06:32] <Elrohir> speed I mean...
[06:32] <patrickj> at least x86
[06:32] <patrickj> 500 MHz im guessing
[06:32] <cikilin> i cant burn hybrid
[06:32] <patrickj> wut do you have?
[06:32] <hybrid> Belial: networked boes?
[06:32] <cikilin> any ideea?
[06:32] <patrickj> Elrohir: ?
[06:32] <Elrohir> ;) thanx once again!
[06:32] <hybrid> cikilin: err
[06:32] <patrickj> Elrohir: what kind of processor do you have/speed?
[06:33] <hybrid> cikilin: is it set for the right drive? is it recognized?
[06:33] <cikilin> i cant add data files
[06:33] <cikilin> yeap
[06:33] <Elrohir> Pentium III 1.10 GHz... I'm already using Ubuntu... is just a paperwork I'm doing about it...
[06:33] <hybrid> cikilin: can you add audio files
[06:33] <Elrohir> :)
[06:33] <nubbe> hybrid, that only gives me the java -help (as I thought)
[06:33] <patrickj> lol ok
[06:34] <patrickj> im running it very well and i have 768 MB ram, and a 2.4 GHz Celeron D, and a 408M what file
[06:34] <patrickj> im running it very well and i have 768 MB ram, and a 2.4 GHz Celeron D, and a 408M swap partition**
[06:34] <patrickj> brb
[06:34] <hybrid> brb
[06:34] <Elrohir> nice..
[06:34] <cikilin> yes
[06:34] <cikilin> i can add audio files
[06:35] <Elrohir> Pentium III 1.10, 512 RAM, 40 GB HDD...
[06:35] <aksn> which is the correct runlevel on ubuntu to go single user?
[06:36] <Elrohir> runlevel 2 I guess...
[06:36] <mgcross> o well...I'll hit the forums again, I guess
[06:36] <mgcross> runlevel 1
[06:36] <Elrohir> oh... close.. :P lol...
[06:37] <aksn> the runlevels in ubuntu are the same as in debian?
[06:37] <Kejk_PL> aksn: yes
[06:37] <cikilin> hybrid if i change form img to iso can it work?
[06:37] <aksn> oks, thanks :)
[06:38] <Kejk_PL> aksn: probably init 1
[06:38] <Kejk_PL> aksn: it is single user mode
[06:39] <aksn> Kejk_PL-> yes, in debian it is, but something strange happenned..
[06:39] <aksn> xorg is stable in hoary?
[06:40] <hybrid> yea
[06:40] <Kejk_PL> aksn: what strange? I'm using Kubuntu for short time, I'v never tester init levels  in K/Ubuntu :P
[06:40] <cikilin> i am doing that
[06:40] <cikilin> is a concert
[06:40] <Derkommissar> Hello
[06:40] <cikilin> i hope will work
[06:41] <Elrohir> supported architectures? x86, PowerPC and which is the third?
[06:41] <aksn> Kejk_PL-> after installing ubuntu i had many I/O erros, and couldnt go single user to compile a kernel, i had to use a live
[06:42] <aksn> all this because the kernel on the cd gave me a crc error :S
[06:42] <hybrid> Elrohir: sparc?
[06:42] <Kejk_PL> Elrohir: x64
[06:43] <Kejk_PL> aksn: aha
[06:45] <Sputn1k> when i tryng to fix broken packages i getting this: http://www.inferno.tinklapiai.lt/problem1.png
[06:48] <typo> A very recent X update in breezy limits me to 640x480 resolution. I know breezy's X is broken, but maybe this bug hasn't been reported yet. I've checked the BTS. Anyone interested?
[06:48] <Kejk_PL> Sputn1k: try sudo apt-get -f install
[06:48] <Sputn1k> Kejk_PL  doesnt wroks
[06:49] <Rubin> could someone send me their working totem_config file with esound?  Somehow mines stuck or arts and wont stay open to be reconfigured :(
[06:49] <x_o1> Does anyone use a treo with Ubuntu and has been able to transfer MP3, either using jPilot or gnome pilot, or even pilot-xfer by hand?  I cannot figure out how to store MP3 files onto my device.
[06:50] <Kejk_PL> Sputn1k: what message?
[06:51] <Kejk_PL> what sudo apt-get -f install says?
[06:51] <Sputn1k> E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[06:52] <Kejk_PL> Sputn1k: have you tried aptitude program?
[06:53] <Sputn1k> Kejk_PL: hmm no
[06:53] <Kejk_PL> Sputn1k: it is console application but easy to use and sometimes helps in such situations
[06:54] <Kejk_PL> Sputn1k: What have you been installing that makes that problem?
[06:54] <Sputn1k> it works, but i dont know wich packagse are broken
[06:54] <Sputn1k> i dont remember
[06:55] <Kejk_PL> Sputn1k: hard to say...
[06:55] <Kejk_PL> Sputn1k: I try to find a way
[06:57] <Kejk_PL> turn on aptitude, you will see two sections: installed and not installed software
[06:57] <Elrohir> where can I find info about shorewall?
[06:58] <Kejk_PL> Sputn1k: on section installed pres + (plus), on section non-installed press _ (underline) and then pres 'g'
[06:58] <Sputn1k> Kejk_PL, it allrgiht, i founed broken packagse
[06:58] <Sputn1k> packages
[06:58] <Kejk_PL> Sputn1k: good :)
[06:58] <Sputn1k> yeah
[06:58] <Sputn1k> ;] 
[06:58] <Kejk_PL> what was wrong?
[06:59] <levander> Anybody getting faster than ~4x audio ripping in grip with full paranoia, or is that actually pretty good?
[06:59] <Sputn1k> Kejk_PL: cpp-3.3, gcc 3.3, language-support-en, libc6-dev, libc6-i686, glibc-2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13
[07:00] <Kejk_PL> Sputn1k: essential packages - they should always work :/
[07:00] <Elrohir> where can I find info about shorewall?
[07:00] <typo> X says "(II) I810(0): Not using mode "1024x768" (no mode of this name)" although it lists serveral 1024x768 modes. Anyone know what that's about?
[07:00] <_otep> hat do i do if i only have 70K free on my "/" partition w/c has only 235 MB allocated to it
[07:01] <Sputn1k> Kejk_PL, so what should i do? I can't remove them?
[07:01] <matthew_> hey, where is the sources.list file located?
[07:01] <desrt> matthew_; /etc/apt/
[07:01] <matthew_> thankyou
[07:01] <cartman> daniels: ping ?
[07:01] <Kejk_PL> Sputn1k: some of them you can, but glibc sure NOT
[07:02] <Sputn1k> i try to reinstall it
[07:02] <Kejk_PL> try to reinstall them
[07:02] <Kejk_PL> in aptitude press 'L' (upper l) on them
[07:03] <Kejk_PL> matthew_: /etc/apt/
[07:04] <matthew_> how do i add debian-marillat repository to my Ubuntu sources.list?
[07:04] <desrt> matthew_; you don't
[07:05] <Kejk_PL> Sputn1k: try to fix it in aptitude, as I said use "L" (reinstall action), "+" (install) and "_" (delete and pure/clean), ":" - undo, "=" - hold
[07:05] <matthew_> But i want to download mplayer
[07:05] <lpk> I need a webcam that works in Ubuntu
[07:05] <lpk> Suggestions?
[07:05] <desrt> matthew_; marillat has diverged from ubuntu far enough that installing stuff from it is a good way to screw up your system
[07:05] <desrt> matthew_; almost the only thing that is safe is w32codecs
[07:05] <matthew_> Could i compile mplayer from source?
[07:05] <desrt> matthew_; i do recommend you install totem-xine and w32codecs
[07:06] <desrt> unless you have a specific reason for wanting mplayer
[07:06] <patrickj> You know the stuff on your desktop like torsmo?
[07:06] <Elrohir> where can I find those codecs?
[07:06] <Kejk_PL> desrt: I'am using marillat - but I had to install some stuff from sarge and to change VERSION in some /var/lib/dpkg/* files :P
[07:06] <Elrohir> w32codecs...
[07:06] <matthew_> ok thanks for your help
[07:06] <Kejk_PL> desrt:pretty easy to srew system :)s
[07:06] <matthew_> !google w32codecs
[07:06] <desrt> Kejk_PL; :)
[07:06] <ubotu> I don't know, matthew_
[07:06] <Elrohir> ok...
[07:06] <desrt> matthew_; they're in the marillat repository
[07:06] <Yendor> Good $LOCALTIME, all.  I'm having a problem running any Java programs; am getting an error of " current locale is not supported in X11, locale is set to CX locale modifiers are not supported"...Any ideas on how to fix this?
[07:06] <patrickj> what other stuff i there like that?
[07:06] <desrt> matthew_; best to use ftp to download them and install manually
[07:06] <desrt> matthew_; let me locate the url for you
[07:06] <matthew_> install what?
[07:07] <patrickj> is Devil-linux any good....?
[07:07] <desrt> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[07:07] <hybrid> patrickj: it is  a firewall
[07:07] <Kejk_PL> desrt: problem was always with libc6 - from sarge is too different - kernel doesn't work, but I can;t alway force packages to install - changing in avaiable, status etc files is good way :0
[07:08] <desrt> matthew_; download that file and run 'sudo dpkg -i w32codecs....'
[07:08] <patrickj> hey do you think If I started right now installing gentoo in Windows under VMWare I would finish by tonight, and its 1 o clock PM here
[07:08] <matthew_> ok thankyou
[07:08] <desrt> Kejk_PL; i'd rather just avoid it entirely
[07:08] <matthew_> then will xmms be able to play mp3s?
[07:08] <Yendor> I've googled and found lots of messages about people getting this error with Java on multiple flavors of Linux, and multiple different Java flavors (Sun, IBM, Blackdown)...But never any answers.
[07:08] <desrt> matthew_; er.  you have to install another thing for that
[07:08] <mmoscosa> can anyone tell me where to find a walkthrough on how to install software in ubuntu, such as skype
[07:08] <desrt> matthew_; do you have universe and multiverse setup?
[07:08] <matthew_> no, i just installed ubuntu
[07:09] <Kejk_PL> desrt: I really nedd newer mplayer AND Polish communicator - Kadu - it is very popular, and DEB are only for Sarge
[07:09] <desrt> ok.  you need to setup universe/multiverse in your sources.list
[07:09] <Sputn1k> Kejk_PL, but when i mark package to fix it, it gonna remove not only borken packages, but lots of other packages
[07:09] <Kejk_PL> no, I can't compie it itself :P
[07:09] <punkrockguy318> I'm having a problem, I cannot eject my Audio CD.  When i eject it from nautilus, I get this error: eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
[07:09] <desrt> the problem is that all of this stuff for playing videos or even mp3s is patented/copyrighted so ubuntu can't legally distribute it in the main distribution
[07:09] <Despeeh> unmount it?
[07:09] <Yendor> punkrockguy318, What's it say when you type "eject" at commandline?
[07:09] <patrickj> ?
[07:09] <punkrockguy318> Yendor, the same thin
[07:09] <Kejk_PL> Sputn1k: whole system depend on glibc :)
[07:10] <cartman> anyone knows what happened to "xmkmf" in latest breezy ?
[07:10] <Yendor> punkrockguy318, Try "umount /dev/here"
[07:10] <Sputn1k> ://
[07:10] <Yendor> punkrockguy318, Then "eject"
[07:10] <desrt> matthew_; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackages?highlight=%28universe%29
[07:10] <desrt> matthew_; will tell you how to setup universe
[07:10] <Yendor> punkrockguy318, Of course, replace with your real device name...
[07:10] <Kejk_PL> Sputn1k: to reinstall glibc
[07:11] <patrickj> ?
[07:11] <punkrockguy318> Yendor, I get the same error... umount claims the device is not mounted because it's an audio cd
[07:11] <mmoscosa> How do you install skype, the instructions on skype official paga didnt work neither those in ubuntu unnoficial guide that i saw on tje forums
[07:11] <nubbe> I have installed java (build 1.5.0_02-b09) with apt-get install (followed ubuntuguide) a good while back. The problem is that I can't find it with synaptic or aptitude. It is there and works fine, why doesn't it show up in synaptic? I'd like to uninstall so I get no upgrade problems, but how do I find it?
[07:12] <Yendor> mmoscosa, There's a skype .deb out there somewhere.
[07:12] <Kejk_PL> Sputn1k: what sudo apt-get check  say?
[07:12] <punkrockguy318> Yendor, ah! I found a solution, it's just not a good one
[07:12] <patrickj> guess ill just try
[07:12] <punkrockguy318> Yendor, I did sudo eject -s
[07:12] <Kejk_PL> mmoscosa: on skype.com is DEB :)
[07:12] <Elrohir> besides GNOME and KDE, can any other GUI can be installed?
[07:12] <Despeeh> locate java?
[07:13] <mmoscosa> is there a way to do it from the terminal?!!?
[07:13] <patrickj> yes
[07:13] <amel> where can i find the servername variable?
[07:13] <patrickj> Elrohir: yes very much
[07:13] <amel> it doesn't appear to be inside httpd.conf
[07:14] <Kejk_PL> mmoscosa: download .deb, then:   sudo dpkg -i skype*.deb
[07:14] <Yendor> Anyone else getting "locale is set to CX" messages when trying to run Java programs?  More importantly, anyone know how to fix then?
[07:14] <Elrohir> any or specific ones?
[07:14] <Yendor> *them?
[07:14] <punkrockguy318> Yendor, why do I need root priviliges to eject my cd?
[07:14] <amel> or is there any other file, where i can configure the servername?
[07:14] <amel> for apache2
[07:14] <nubbe> Despeeh, that gives a lot but not the pkg name, I think
[07:14] <patrickj> Elrohir: Im currently using Openbox, but with gnome, but Once you install openbox you can choose to use FBPanel, or fspanel etc. with it, and in the GDM click Senssion and slect oopenbox of flux box(whichever WM you prefer) and go from there ;)
[07:15] <Yendor> punkrockguy318, Perhaps because your user is not in the "cdrom" group (or whatever group owns your CD-ROM device)?
[07:15] <Elrohir> nice.. thanx..
[07:15] <punkrockguy318> Yendor, nope, I am a member of cdrom
[07:15] <patrickj> sorry if I didnt rexplain it to much
[07:15] <punkrockguy318> Yendor, and cdrom owns my device
[07:15] <amel> does anyone here use apache2?
[07:15] <Elrohir> it will do... :P
[07:15] <Yendor> punkrockguy318, Dunno
[07:15] <patrickj> Elrohir: to install fluxbox do: apt-get install fluxbox, and for openbox: apt-get install openbox
[07:16] <patrickj> here: openbox howto for Ubuntu
[07:16] <patrickj> Elrohir: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34239&highlight=openbox+howto
[07:16] <mmoscosa> ok, i think its working... thanks a lot... i dunno why it didnt worked last time i tried...
[07:16] <vader1102> well: time for me to get back to work, later folks.
[07:16] <Elrohir> i'll check it out....
[07:17] <patrickj> Elrohir: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto?highlight=%28Add%29%7C%28Repositories%29
[07:17] <patrickj> how do add repositories :p
[07:17] <amel> anyone have a clue?
[07:17] <patrickj> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories, JIC
[07:18] <thenuke> patrickj: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto?highlight=%28Add%29%7C%28Repositories%29
[07:18] <patrickj> thenuke: I know
[07:18] <thenuke> patrickj: oh. you were teaching somebody instead of asking :)
[07:18] <patrickj> lol
[07:18] <amel> oh god.. so this means, noone here has a web server?!
[07:18] <patrickj> I do
[07:18] <thenuke> amel: ?
[07:18] <amel> apache2?
[07:19] <patrickj> but its jnot a *nix system unfortanatly
[07:19] <Yendor> amel: Not on apache2.  Just apache1.
[07:19] <thenuke> I have one
[07:19] <amel> with the apache2 system?
[07:19] <thenuke> servername.. where does that appear ten?
[07:19] <patrickj> mines running on Windows Server 2003, but I was thinking of buying a *nix systems :d
[07:19] <thenuke> ten=then
[07:19] <thenuke> yeah, apache2
[07:19] <mikul> how do I chose which program to start a certain type of file
[07:19] <amel> where is the damn servername, then?
[07:19] <thenuke> I did not have to edit any configs in apache2
[07:19] <thenuke> what do you mean by servername =)
[07:19] <amel> well.. in apache
[07:20] <amel> you had to edit a servername variable
[07:20] <mikul> I use ubuntu/gnome
[07:20] <Yendor> Anyone?  "locale set to CX" while running Java programs?
[07:20] <amel> in order to direct your server to a particular hostname
[07:20] <patrickj> man gentoo looks friggen AWESOME
[07:21] <thenuke> amel: read the docs alreay?
[07:21] <patrickj> is anyone in here using Gentoo right now?
[07:21] <amel> i doubt, you can see a web server: http://0x5551307c.adsl.cybercity.dk
[07:21] <patrickj> For some weird reason :d
[07:21] <amel> or can you?
[07:21] <IFRFLYR> patrickj yes I am
[07:21] <IFRFLYR> wat up?
[07:22] <thenuke> amel: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html
[07:22] <thenuke> amel: search that for servername
[07:22] <amel> could you see anything?
[07:22] <IFRFLYR> I mean, I write from my ubuntu box but the gentoo machine is always running
[07:22] <thenuke> amel "The ServerName directive sets the hostname and port that the server uses to identify itself. "
[07:22] <amel> yes..
[07:22] <thenuke> "ServerName www.example.com:80"
[07:22] <mikul> how do I chose which program to start a certain type of file ubuntu/gnome
[07:22] <thenuke> that should work then I guess
[07:22] <amel> but where is it?
[07:23] <thenuke> well, I dont know where all those directives are?
[07:23] <gijosh> I downloaded a .run file for the ut2k4 demo.  How do I...er  run a run file? heh.
[07:23] <thenuke> httpd.conf?
[07:23] <thenuke> add it into there
[07:23] <amel> ok
[07:23] <craigevil> why does it say Firefox is broken? The version in backports-staging works just fine
[07:23] <Kejk_PL> hey, where is packages.ubuntu.com ? :))
[07:23] <Crembo> hello! I'm a complete linux newbie. I've just installed Ubuntu and I'm trying to get 3D acceleration to work (radeon9800 pro). I've tried searching the documentation and wiki - but all I found on installing the ATI drivers was a page in Italian. can you point me to any source of instruction?
[07:24] <thenuke> amel: that is if the directives are in it :) I dont know really. but I bet that there are not every option already with some kind of default value
[07:24] <desrt> Crembo; basically, you need to apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:24] <uber_newber> hey all i need sum help installingmy lynksis wireless usb network adapter, i gotta toshiba tecra 8000 2 proc
[07:24] <desrt> Crembo; then edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change Driver   "ati"  to "fglrx"
[07:24] <uber_newber> and i have a driver caleed ndiswrapper but dunno what to do with it
[07:24] <Crembo> desrt: could it be that that's really all I need?
[07:24] <desrt> Crembo; pretty much
[07:24] <Crembo> isn't that convienient.
[07:25] <Crembo> and here I was thinking I had to grab something from www.ati.com, do various non-intuitive operations on it and then fix it up by moving files and editing inis
[07:25] <desrt> Crembo; well.. you have to do some editing still :)
[07:25] <Crembo> eh, hell with it. real men edit INIs.
[07:25] <desrt> we don't have ini files on linux.  it's all about .conf
[07:25] <Crembo> one more question: how do I shut down/restart the x server?
[07:25] <uber_newber> hey all i need sum help installingmy lynksis wireless usb network adapter, i gotta toshiba tecra 8000 2 proc.im running ubuntu 5.4 and i have a driver ndiswrapper ubt dont know how to use it to install my wireless usb network adapter
[07:25] <desrt> real real  men edit .conf's.... and they use vi.
[07:26] <Crembo> ... if the "X Server" is the graphics system. not sure if I got it right.
[07:26] <desrt> Crembo; to shut it down (rapidly): sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[07:26] <desrt> to bring it back: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[07:26] <phixion> ctrl alt backspace
[07:26] <Yendor> Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is your friend.
[07:26] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me out please
[07:26] <Crembo> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop the english are coming stop prepare our defences stop
[07:26] <desrt> and yes... ctrl-alt-backspace will restart X very rapidly :)
[07:26] <AlexMBas> pid and ps is freezing .. does anyone experienced this on the latest packages?
[07:27] <desrt> Crembo; at least it's not morse code
[07:27] <Crembo> so, I change /etc/X11/xorg.conf to point to the fglrx drivers and ctrl-alt-backspace?
[07:28] <desrt> Crembo; first make sure fglrx driver is loaded
[07:28] <Crembo> now ya got me.
[07:28] <desrt> (should be automatically, if you have a 9800)
[07:28] <desrt> lsmod | grep fglrx
[07:28] <Crembo> that's a no, there.
[07:28] <desrt> uh oh.
[07:28] <desrt> sudo modprobe fglrx
[07:28] <uber_newber> hey all i need sum help installingmy lynksis wireless usb network adapter, i gotta toshiba tecra 8000 2 proc.im running ubuntu 5.4 and i have a driver ndiswrapper ubt dont know how to use it to install my wireless usb network adapter
[07:28] <uber_newber> brb
[07:29] <Crembo> well, that fixed it.
[07:29] <Crembo> still has a 0 at the end.
[07:29] <desrt> Crembo; k.  i got some good news
[07:29] <raven3x7> anyone know what library is necessary to decompress .Z files?
[07:29] <desrt> Crembo; more config file editing is in your future
[07:29] <desrt> Crembo; edit /etc/modules and put "fglrx" in there
[07:29] <desrt> so that it loads at startup from now on
[07:29] <Crembo> oh BOY! ah well, what better way to get in touch with the innards of a brand new system I have to learn than by messing up.
[07:30] <hmrocha> i don't understand, my X keeps crashing when I user firefox to access some sites
[07:30] <Crembo> should I be concerned if fglrx shows 0 in the 'used by' column?
[07:30] <desrt> no.  that's  expected
[07:30] <desrt> you're not actually using it yet
[07:30] <desrt> try giving your X server a restart now
[07:31] <Jason-X> When I unmount my external Lacie HD from the desktop it sounds like the hardrive is still spinning and still mounted. Is it safe to switch it off or will this damage the data on the drive
[07:31] <Yendor> raven3x7, Try "uncompress"
[07:31] <Crembo> /etc/X11/xorg.conf - changed to fglrx..
[07:31] <chombee> Hello - anyone here compiled this tag-editor Cowbell on Ubuntu? I can't get it to configure, it's complaining it can't find perl
[07:31] <chombee> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[07:31] <Yendor> chombee, Is perl installed?
[07:32] <desrt> Crembo; and you installed the xorg-driver-fglrx package?
[07:32] <Crembo> yep. or I think it should have gotten installed
[07:32] <chombee> yeah, the package 'perl' and various others, but I guess that's not exactly what it's looking for
[07:32] <Yendor> chombee, Is libxml-parser-perl installed?
[07:33] <Crembo> right. let's give this thing a reset. see if I trashed my computer or not.
[07:33] <Yendor> chombee, For Perl packages, they're generally found under "lib<first>-<second>-perl" via apt-get
[07:33] <Yendor> chombee, So XML::Parser is libxml-parser-perl
[07:33] <chombee> possibly not - I'm installing intltool now (I already had intltool-debian), and I thinl that parser is one of its dependencies
[07:34] <chombee> Yendor - I see, intltool installed that package, now I get past that point, but I need to install a C compiler...
[07:35] <raven3x7> Yendor, trying to open it with file roller gives me archive type not supported
[07:35] <Ackdom> hey
[07:35] <Crembo> well, whaddya know. I can see the screen. that's a good starting point.
[07:35] <Harold> I'm having a slow brain morning...can anyone remind me what package will allow me to view a .mov?
[07:35] <Crembo> checking a 3D-intensive screensaver... excellent.
[07:35] <desrt> Crembo; open a term and type "glxinfo | grep irect"
[07:36] <Crembo> attempting to bring screen resolution down from 324234237x13123123 pixels at 3Hz..
[07:36] <Crembo> failure?
[07:36] <Yendor> raven3x7, Do you have the "gzip" package installed?
[07:36] <Yendor> chombee, So...Install a C compiler?
[07:36] <Crembo> desrt: that's a yes on the glxinfo
[07:36] <desrt> Crembo; most excellent
[07:36] <desrt> Crembo; now install doom3 already
[07:36] <raven3x7> Yendor, yes
[07:37] <{Seb}> does anyone know why i am banned from #ubuntu-devel
[07:37] <chombee> Yendor - yeah, now I need C-bindings for libtag, installing those. Man, compiling stuff really adds a lot of random packages to the system. Oh well
[07:37] <desrt> {Seb}; were you asking for help there?
[07:37] <Crembo> "The X server does not support the XRandR extension blah blah blah you can't change resolution without restarting the X server HAHAHAHAHA".
[07:37] <Yendor> raven3x7, Can you "uncompress <your-file-name>.Z" from command line?
[07:37] <Harold> Does Doom 3 actually work on Linux?
[07:37] <desrt> Harold; beautifully
[07:37] <desrt> Crembo; hah.  welcome to fglrx.
[07:37] <{Seb}> desrt: not that i recall
[07:37] <Crembo> desrt: so, where's the .conf file with resolution and stuff?
[07:37] <Harold> desrt, Wow, didn't know that.
[07:37] <desrt> Crembo; it doesn't support all of these 'fancy' X extensions :P
[07:37] <desrt> Crembo; it's in /etc/X11/xorg.conf too
[07:37] <Harold> desrt, Is this a new development?
[07:37] <desrt> Harold; no...
[07:37] <Crembo> wow.
[07:38] <Crembo> all this installing of drivers and stuff is making me hungry. ask you stuff later!
[07:38] <Yendor> chombee, Yes, compiling stuff *does* add lots of random stuff to your computer.
[07:38] <desrt> Crembo; you have something like
[07:38] <desrt>         DefaultDepth    24
[07:38] <Harold> desrt, I remember hearing that the Doom 3 developers were planning to make Doom 3 for Linux...
[07:38] <desrt> Crembo; it's just a matter of going into the display section with the right depth and changing the list of resolutions
[07:38] <desrt> Harold; it came out almost right away
[07:38] <Harold> desrt, Do you know which package will play .mov?
[07:39] <desrt> Harold; install totem-xine and w32codecs
[07:39] <Harold> desrt, Thank you.
[07:39] <desrt> w32codecs is here: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[07:39] <raven3x7> Yendor, hmm that turned it into a tar
[07:39] <AlexMBas> and to play real video midia?
[07:39] <desrt> AlexMBas; http://www.real.com/
[07:39] <AlexMBas> w32codecs also
[07:40] <AlexMBas> but does it play inside totem?
[07:40] <desrt> AlexMBas; i don't think so :/
[07:40] <Yendor> raven3x7, tar -tvf <your file>.tar -- that should get you a listing of files inside your tarfile.
[07:40] <chombee> Yendor - it works! thanks
[07:40] <Yendor> chombee, np.  :)
[07:40] <AlexMBas> desrt: ok, thanks
[07:40] <raven3x7> desrt why not the package from extras?
[07:40] <desrt> raven3x7; oh.  i didn't know about that.
[07:40] <desrt> AlexMBas; what raven said :)
[07:40] <Yendor> raven3x7, If that's what you're looking for, then "tar -xvf" it.
[07:41] <desrt> AlexMBas; check out backports at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[07:41] <desrt> raven3x7; what's the package called?
[07:41] <desrt> oh.  'realplayer'.  what an odd name for it.
[07:41] <raven3x7> Yendor, yeah actually i knew that. the result of uncompressin z seemed a bit weird to but i guess in unix they didnt write .tar.Z thanks
[07:42] <raven3x7> desrt w32codecs as well
[07:42] <desrt> raven3x7; for real??  freakin' awesome!
[07:42] <Yendor> raven3x7, :)
[07:42] <desrt> wow.  you just totally made my day
[07:42] <desrt> thanks :)
[07:43] <desrt> bye bye marillat :)
[07:43] <uber_newber> hey all i need sum help installingmy lynksis wireless usb network adapter, i gotta toshiba tecra 8000 2 proc.im running ubuntu 5.4 and i have a driver ndiswrapper ubt dont know how to use it to install my wireless usb network adapter
[07:43] <raven3x7> desrt its of course totally unoficiall as well
[07:43] <desrt> raven3x7; eh.  i'd rather install it from backports than marillat
[07:43] <desrt> raven3x7; since i already have backports anyway
[07:44] <Yendor> Anyone having issues running Java GUI programs due to "locale set to CX" in Breezy?
[07:44] <dylan> what app is best for system backups?
[07:44] <desrt> dylan; rsync :)
[07:44] <dylan> is it gui based?
[07:44] <desrt> heck no :)
[07:44] <dylan> is there one that is?
[07:45] <dylan> ok fine
[07:45] <raven3x7> desrt you should not have backports active unless you want a specific package. im talkin about backports not extras though. but the extras version is for sure more compatible with ubuntu
[07:45] <desrt> raven3x7; i'm personally on breezy
[07:45] <desrt> raven3x7; but i use backports on my family's computer
[07:47] <raven3x7> desrt that could make it impossible to update your system if you update your system with backports active
[07:47] <desrt> raven3x7; eh.
[07:47] <desrt> raven3x7; i just dist-upgrade to the whole lot
[07:48] <uber_newber> hey all i need sum help installingmy lynksis wireless usb network adapter, i gotta toshiba tecra 8000 2 proc.im running ubuntu 5.4 and i have a driver ndiswrapper ubt dont know how to use it to install my wireless usb network adapter
[07:48] <desrt> i feel confident in my abilities to deal with the consequences
[07:48] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me please
[07:48] <quique> #ubuntu-es
[07:49] <raven3x7> desrt its just that a lot of ppl seem to do it without knowing what their doing really. ;)
[07:50] <desrt> raven3x7; i totally didn't know what i was doing :)
[07:50] <desrt> raven3x7; everything is running very nicely now, though
[07:50] <raven3x7> desrt lol
[07:50] <desrt> plus... if i don't have backports then i lose my ability to update my system anyway
[07:50] <desrt> since hoary is frozen
[07:50] <desrt> oh... do you mean i lose the ability to move to breezy?
[07:51] <uber_newber> hey all i need sum help installingmy lynksis wireless usb network adapter, i gotta toshiba tecra 8000 2 proc.im running ubuntu 5.4 and i have a driver ndiswrapper ubt dont know how to use it to install my wireless usb network adapter
[07:51] <desrt> uber_newber; stop repeating yourself.
[07:51] <uber_newber> sorry
[07:51] <desrt> uber_newber; if nobody answers it's because nobody knows
[07:51] <uber_newber> ok
[07:51] <JDahl> uber_newber, and please dont use AOL speek here
[07:51] <desrt> uber_newber; you might try another time though... different people will be around
[07:52] <desrt> JDahl; :P
[07:52] <uber_newber> ok
[07:52] <desrt> JDahl; ur so crazzzie
[07:52] <uber_newber> whats aol speek?
[07:52] <desrt> "sum1", for example
[07:52] <uber_newber> oh sorry bout that too
[07:53] <desrt> heh.  i think he's just teasing :P
[07:53] <uber_newber> oh ok
[07:53] <qt2> damnit
[07:53] <qt2> i cant get ipodder running on ubuntu
[07:54] <desrt> qt2; O_o
[07:54] <desrt> qt2; in theory you should just be able to plug it in
[07:54] <qt2> ipodder is a podcating program desrt. ;)
[07:54] <desrt> oh
[07:54] <anacron> hmm
[07:55] <desrt> i thought it was the latest slang for sleak portable music players
[07:56] <anacron> i was going to try download some podcast's, but i found out that every where i did go i always had to download something, and then i forgot hole thing, but is there a web-page where i could download podcast's directly?
[07:56] <occy> http://occy.net/tmp/huh-ss.png
[07:56] <occy> Anyone seen this before?
[07:56] <occy> and know how to fix it.
[07:56] <occy> $TERM is set to xterm
[07:56] <occy> and I'm using gnome-terminal
[07:56] <occy> (this isn't on an Ubuntu box)
[07:56] <yoboy> hi
[07:58] <yoboy> where i have to post a bug ?
[07:58] <tritium> no, occy, that's a new one.  What kind of system is that happening on?
[07:58] <occy> tritium, not sure of the flavor.
[07:58] <occy> :/
[07:58] <occy> :set term?  shows xterm.
[08:00] <tritium> occy, vim shows term=xterm in gnome-terminal here too
[08:00] <occy> nod
[08:00] <qt2> anacron, err, i dont think i understand what you mean....?
[08:01] <anacron> qt2: i mean that i don't wan't to download anything to get those podcast's.
[08:01] <qt2> anacron, scan the rss feeds for the filenames then.
[08:01] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me use ndiswrapper to install my lynksis wireless us network adapter
[08:02] <SpecialBuddy> does anyone know how to set up apache
[08:02] <frank2134> let me link you to the guide
[08:02] <anacron> SpecialBuddy: sudo atp-get install apache2 :)
[08:02] <frank2134> http://ubuntuguide.org/#installapachehttpserver
[08:02] <frank2134> SpecialBuddy: http://ubuntuguide.org/#installapachehttpserver
[08:02] <typo> is there any easy way to downgrade breezy to hoary?
[08:03] <bur[n] er> IFRFLYR: pinging times out?
[08:03] <tritium> ubotu, tell frank2134 about ubuntuguide
[08:03] <thenuke> ubotu, tell thenuke about ubuntuguide
[08:03] <bur[n] er> IFRFLYR: u still there?
[08:03] <anacron> typo: what's a downgrade?
[08:03] <SpecialBuddy> thanks
[08:03] <JDahl> typo, it's probably easier to reinstall Hoary
[08:03] <Kejk_PL> typo: no
[08:04] <typo> JDahl: Kejk_PL: ok
[08:04] <`saiko> hi all
[08:04] <thenuke> anacron: opposite of upgrade
[08:04] <Disease> hi everyone
[08:04] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me use ndiswrapper to install my lynksis wireless us network adapter
[08:04] <`saiko> does ubuntu incluse support posix scl?
[08:04] <Disease> how can i post my xorg.conf on ubuntu forums?
[08:04] <`saiko> *include
[08:04] <typo> is testing breezy useful at all?
[08:04] <typo> anyone care about bugs yet?
[08:05] <raven3x7> !ubuntuguide
[08:05] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[08:05] <frank2134> ubotu, tell frank2134 about jeditor
[08:06] <tritium> SpecialBuddy, please follow the wiki rather than ubuntuguide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApachePHPMySQL
[08:06] <Crembo> hey, now that I installed the ATI drivers, I can't change my resolution. which text file do I have to go to to do this?
[08:06] <JDahl> what mailinglist should I use for suggesting new packages for Breezy/universe?
[08:06] <nophix> ubuntuguide should be deleted imho
[08:06] <tritium> Please don't forget that lots of valuable documentation is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[08:07] <`saiko> does anyone know about my question?
[08:07] <`saiko> :X
[08:08] <frank2134> i've got a question. i've got a dual boot system and the "intermediary" partition is fat32. ubuntu always mounts the whole thing as 755 owner root on startup, is there a way to change this so some other user can have write access?
[08:08] <nophix> frank2134: in /etc/fstab
[08:09] <nophix> frank2134: user=someone
[08:09] <yoboy> tanks bye, i've found :p
[08:09] <moire> tach
[08:09] <frank2134> this is the line: /dev/hda4       /datashare      vfat    defaults        0       0
[08:09] <moire> ups
[08:09] <`saiko> lol
[08:10] <`saiko> deutscher
[08:10] <mai> hey guys, does anyone know the how to switch an ogg into an mp3 (i need to get some of my music onto my mp3 player... but i encode in ogg :( )
[08:10] <moire> saiko: sry, wrong pc ;)
[08:10] <frank2134> mai: try audacity
[08:10] <nophix> frank2134: defaults,user=someone
[08:10] <tritium> mai, you realize you'll lose some sound quality, right?
[08:10] <`saiko> :>
[08:10] <frank2134> nophix: thanks
[08:11] <`saiko> :(
[08:11] <`saiko> can somebody tell me if there's posix acl support in ubuntu kernel?
[08:11] <`saiko> :X
[08:11] <`saiko> please~
[08:12] <nophix> be patient
[08:12] <mai> frank2134:  thanks
[08:12] <mai> tritium:  yeah, i figured there would be some loss involved... but i wasn't expectin too much
[08:12] <mai> tritium:  how bad is it (i'm listening on my trucks not-so-hot speakers anyway)
[08:13] <nalioth_wrkn> tritium: it appears something happened to the hardware in my G4 ibook
[08:13] <tritium> mai, you're right, not that much.  But, any time you convery from one lossy format to another, you'll further degrade the original
[08:13] <nalioth_wrkn> tritium: it won't see the internet with any OS i install
[08:13] <tritium> nalioth_wrkn, oh, man that sucks
[08:13] <mai> tritium:  oh ok, thanks
[08:13] <Greuceanu> hi there all,
[08:13] <tritium> fried by the heat, nalioth_wrkn ?
[08:13] <Greuceanu> i need some help with the Ubuntu Live CD
[08:13] <raven3x7> desrt you said you were on breezy? isnt X broken on it?
[08:13] <Greuceanu> downloaded the ISO,
[08:14] <desrt> raven3x7; ehh
[08:14] <Greuceanu> burnt it on CD-R media
[08:14] <desrt> raven3x7; i hacked it into working
[08:14] <tritium> mai, if you're listening to it in your truck, you likely won't notice a difference :)
[08:14] <Greuceanu> tried to boot donesn't start
[08:14] <tritium> Greuceanu, did you check the md5sum of the image you burned?  Also, perhaps the burn wasn't successful.
[08:14] <Kejk_PL> Greuceanu:  do you have boot from CD turned in BIOS?
[08:14] <desrt> raven3x7; copied my font cache files from my laptop, copied some xutils over, etc...
[08:15] <desrt> raven3x7; it's pretty rough... daniels and infinity seem to think that they're gonna get it sorted out this week
[08:15] <raven3x7> desrt cool. hope they fix it cause i would most likely be unaaible to get it to work myself and id like to take a look at breezy
[08:15] <Greuceanu> tritium: don't know how to do the md5sum
[08:15] <Greuceanu> kejk, yes in BIOS is first boot device
[08:15] <tritium> Greuceanu, md5sum <filename.iso>
[08:15] <frank2134> greuceanu: type in the console "md5sum <filename>"
[08:15] <desrt> raven3x7; give it a week or two
[08:16] <desrt> raven3x7; after that, i bet it stays reasonable useable up to time of release
[08:16] <Greuceanu> ehm i run windows XP pro, wanted to check up on the ubuntu before instaling it
[08:16] <Kejk_PL> Greuceanu: in linux it is md5sum  image.iso, in windows - can it be done??
[08:16] <raven3x7> desrt yeah. release time is getting closer and closer :)
[08:16] <desrt> Kejk_PL; ya.. for windows all you have to do is download the ubuntu livecd, boot it up, and type md5sum :)
[08:16] <frank2134> Greuceanu: try searching on google for an md5 program for windows
[08:16] <uber_newber> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki-1.4.6/index.php/Installation#Installation    im at this site and im trying to install my ndiswrapper. i already have it downloaded. but i dont understand sum of the stuff for installing it, can sum1 help me out
[08:16] <Kejk_PL> desrt: lol
[08:17] <Greuceanu> k
[08:17] <uber_newber> what does go to source directory mean?
[08:17] <Kejk_PL> uber_newber: what you don't understand?
[08:17] <frank2134> Greuceanu: http://www.fourmilab.ch/md5/md5.zip
[08:17] <uber_newber> the source diretory thing
[08:18] <Kejk_PL> uber_newber: :)   after downloading ndiswrapper archive, unpack it, open terminal and suing   cd command change directory to this wich you just unpacked
[08:18] <pvanhoof> how do I get linux-2.6.8.1-1's source on ubuntu breezy? by downloading it from kernel.org or is there a package for it?
[08:19] <uber_newber> ok i downloaded it unpacked it and now what do i do?
[08:19] <pvanhoof> I need it to patch that kernel into an UML one
[08:19] <Kejk_PL> uber_newber: you can use TABulatorkey on your keyboard to help yourself- just tyle first tre or four letter, press TAb and it will continue writing for you
[08:19] <beekay> how come when I run fglrxconfig it wants to make an XFree config file?
[08:19] <uber_newber> k
[08:19] <uber_newber> but what are the command i have to do
[08:23] <a2ps> is there a way i can configure the wireless network using WAP at install time?
[08:23] <sorush20> guys how do I killall media player
[08:24] <thenuke> sorush20: killall mplayer
[08:24] <MartenH> a2ps: I think you will need to add wpa_supplicant later on
[08:24] <a2ps> MartenH, so theres is only WEP support at install time?
[08:24] <a2ps> tahnks
[08:25] <a2ps> *thanks
[08:25] <quique> #ubuntu-es
[08:25] <bigjg> I have seen no support for WPA at install time for wireless
[08:25] <MartenH> a2psm afaik, then again I'm really newto this. mind that I've been trying to get WPA working for 3 days now so THAT i know ;)
[08:26] <sorush20> guys mplayer seems to have crashed.. .
[08:26] <sorush20> I'm trying killall mplayer and I keep getting no process to kill
[08:26] <sorush20> can someone help please...
[08:26] <desrt> sorush20; it's probably called something else
[08:26] <bigjg> ps -ef
[08:26] <desrt> ps axuw | grep mplayer
[08:27] <nophix> kill -9 pid
[08:27] <raven3x7> sorush20, try killall gmplayer
[08:27] <chakri> hot to install mplayer using apt-get
[08:27] <desrt> install totem-xine instead.
[08:27] <sorush20> tanks guys...
[08:27] <chakri> it is giving error "ackage mplayer is a virtual package provided by:
[08:27] <chakri>   mplayer-nogui 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[08:27] <chakri>   mplayer-k6 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[08:27] <chakri>   mplayer-custom 1:1.0-pre5-0.6ubuntu1
[08:27] <chakri>   mplayer-586 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[08:27] <chakri>   mplayer-386 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[08:27] <chakri> You should explicitly select one to install.
[08:28] <chakri> E: Package mplayer has no installation candidate
[08:28] <desrt> chakri; plz avoid pasing more than 3 lines :/
[08:28] <zAo^> can you read? :D
[08:28] <chakri> ok sorry
[08:28] <zAo^> You should explicitly select one to install.
[08:28] <raven3x7> chakri use mplayer-386 or 586
[08:28] <tritium> chakri, don't paste please.  Read the topic
[08:28] <chakri> ok
[08:28] <bigjg> is there anything similar to domains/group policy for KDE yet?
[08:29] <chakri> still it is giving error for mplayer-386 or 586
[08:29] <sorush20> guys how do I send printer fireware....
[08:29] <raven3x7> chakri you need to be more specific
[08:30] <Riddell> bigjg: how do you mean?
[08:30] <bigjg> Is there any sort of centralized management for groups of computers running linux?
[08:30] <chakri> i want to install mplayer and it is giving abover error when i used the command "sudo apt-get intall mplayer"
[08:30] <bigjg> chakri you need to specify 386 or 586
[08:31] <bigjg> if not sure do sudo apt-get install mplayer-386
[08:31] <raven3x7> chakri that because you should use sudo apt-get install mplayer-386 or -586
[08:31] <dylan> will breezy include beagle?
[08:32] <chakri> thank you it worked
[08:32] <bigjg> woohoo :)
[08:32] <raven3x7> my typing sucks these days
[08:33] <raven3x7> chakri cool. you need to read more carefully what error messages you are getting though. apt already had given you the answer
[08:33] <Slipaway172> how do i get a dell 720 printer to work?
[08:34] <a2ps> the only way i can boot the installation cd is using acpi=off (toshiba laptop), having acpi off what will not work on my computer? battery status? stand by? card reader? is there a way to provide acpi support later on?
[08:35] <typo> a2ps: you're probably being bitten by this: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8140
[08:35] <chakri> raven3x7 actually i am new to ubuntu. I use fedoracore and there every thing is through downloading and installing rpms
[08:35] <typo> a2ps: no one seems to care but it's an ubuntu bug. kernel.org kernels don't have it
[08:35] <Strife> so I know that this isn't #latex, but... does anyone know if there's a way to easily make footnotes that aren't numbered in latex?
[08:36] <a2ps> typo, what if i upgrade the kernel after the installation, will acpi work?
[08:36] <roo_> Strife, ur right, this isnt #latex :)
[08:36] <raven3x7> chakri apt is more reliable really i used fedora myself then got tired of it constantly breaking
[08:36] <a2ps> i guess there is already a new kernel on the hoary repositories
[08:36] <roo_> Strife, i use latex a lot but i dont know about that one.. #latex is usually useful tho.
[08:36] <tritium> Strife, did you try running "texdoctk", and searching for "footnotes" ?
[08:36] <Strife> roo_: yeah, I'm in there now, no one has said anything yet :)
[08:37] <typo> a2ps: no ubuntu kernel has ever worked for me. I compiled my own from kernel.org and that works fine...
[08:37] <a2ps> damn.. i hate to compile custom kernels..
[08:37] <Strife> tritium: well, I've looked at all the footnote-related commands in kile's latex reference if that counts
[08:37] <the--dud> cripes, trying to install breezy with the 'server' option was not a clever idea! >_<
[08:37] <the--dud> nothing worked heh
[08:37] <tritium> Strife, you should try texdoctk.  Lots of good documentation.
[08:38] <typo> a2ps: comment on the bug then
[08:38] <mai> i'm trying to use audacity to change ogg's into mp3, but audacity can't find libmp3lame.so.  i installed the liblame0 package, but still no luck, anyone have any ideas?
[08:38] <roo_> Strife, if they arent numbered, whats the point?
[08:38] <a2ps> typo, i will. thanks for the help :)
[08:39] <Strife> roo_: I'm making a presentation using latex beamer, and I want to display references on the slides themselves, and I don't want numbers
[08:39] <Strife> footnotes look nice for that
[08:39] <Strife> minus the numbering
[08:40] <roo_> Strife, aah.. in that case the bibtex can handle that?
[08:40] <winex> hi
[08:40] <roo_> Strife, im sure you can set references to show after each chap/page/slide
[08:40] <winex> somebody run this window$ games with Cedega ??
[08:40] <] |[dArt-ChunY> Has anyone experience with installing Savage? after the install and patches all I get is a black screen.
[08:40] <Strife> roo_: meh, afaik about bibtex, it just generates a bibliography
[08:41] <Strife> which is not what I want at all
[08:41] <winex> Somebody can play Diablo 2 in LAN ??
[08:41] <tritium> Strife, what kind of references, then?
[08:41] <winex> qith Cedega??
[08:41] <winex> with*
[08:41] <roo_> Strife, bibtex and the "bibliography" latex package handle referencing.. very flexible..
[08:42] <tritium> definitely
[08:42] <delltony_> hi anyone know how to get smartlink slmodem to work with the 686 image only thing i see is 368 and i get an error when trying to install sl-modem-daemon about sl-modem-new any help would be great
[08:42] <Strife> tritium: scientific papers
[08:42] <tritium> Strife, yes, that would be bibliographic information, then.  Hence, the recommendation for using BibTeX.
[08:43] <roo_> Strife, use bibtex/bibliography. its designed for what u want so it should be a better tool, rather than hacking footnotes.
[08:43] <tritium> Strife, you enter references in a file, and then it's as easy as using \cite{} to cite a reference using bibtex
[08:44] <roo_> Strife, yep, its as easy as tritium says.
[08:44] <Strife> ok, but can I have the citations be on the same slide?
[08:44] <winex> anybody knows because Diablo II not runs in multiplayer-lan ???
[08:44] <roo_> Strife, yes.
[08:44] <Strife> every time I've used \cite before, it refers to a reference page
[08:44] <roo_> Strife, i dont know \how\ to get it on every slide, but you can.
[08:44] <roo_> Strife, it may take some hacking but hey, thats half the fun of TeX! :)
[08:45] <tritium> Strife, say you want to cite A and B on slide 1.  Then, on slide 1, put \cite{A} and \cite{B} wherever in the slide you want them to appear.
[08:45] <delltony_> :( i can't get sl-modem-daemon to install cause of dependencies borked in multiverse :(
[08:46] <chakri> is there any tool to setup ip ( ehternet )
[08:46] <Strife> tritium: hrm... I suppose I'll have to find a page that has more details on using bibliographies...
[08:46] <thenuke> depends on what you want / need chakri
[08:46] <thenuke> chakri: ifconfig?
[08:46] <thenuke> chakri: "ifconfig (8)         - configure a network interface"
[08:46] <tritium> Strife, again, I suggest you check out texdoctk.  It's _full_ of good information
[08:47] <tritium> You have it installed already (it's part of tetex-bin)
[08:48] <Strife> tritium: texdoctk is... but it's not finding the actual document files... I'm assuming I need to install a documentation package, heh
[08:48] <tritium> Strife, yeah, tetex-doc ;)
[08:48] <raven3x7> anyone if there is a way to uninstall samba without uninstalling ubuntu desktop?
[08:49] <Strife> sudo apt-get remove samba
[08:49] <Strife> or is that trying to remove ubuntu-desktop?
[08:49] <Strife> tritium: I had never known aboutt his texdoctk thing before... I approve
[08:49] <tritium> Strife, :)
[08:49] <raven3x7> Strife, yes it tries to uninstall ubuntu-desktop
[08:50] <tritium> raven3x7, you're trying to remove samba-common?
[08:50] <kai1501> what is the best dvd player ?
[08:50] <Strife> kai1501: xine
[08:50] <raven3x7> tritium yes
[08:51] <Kejk_PL> kai1501: mplayer, xine, ogle
[08:51] <raven3x7> kai1501, i like vlc personally
[08:51] <tritium> raven3x7, ubuntu-desktop is safe to remove, as it's just a meta-package, but you will want to reinstall it before upgrading to breezy when that time comes
[08:51] <mai> do i need to build sox from source, or can i get a version that has mp3 support compiled in?
[08:51] <Ghete1> is there something like ksnapshot (in that it has great command line support) that i can use in windows?
[08:51] <kai1501> thanks
[08:51] <winex> somebody use Cedega ????
[08:52] <patrickj> how can I add a root account to my ubuntu for us eof su -?
[08:52] <tritium> ubotu, tell patrickj about root
[08:52] <raven3x7> tritium ok thanks. im not sure if ill remember that though. ill forget my name one day
[08:52] <scott> anyone know of a terminal program that changes common text representations of progress bars to graphical representations or allows textured fonts? also, what is the best file manager that lends itself to being used from the keyboard? (and has graphics, but they're minimal)
[08:52] <tritium> ;)
[08:52] <Kejk_PL> winex: I'm
[08:53] <gene_kmbm> hello
[08:53] <patrickj> thnks
[08:54] <drewbono_work> Man, it's busy in here.
[08:54] <winex> kejk_PL: you plays Diablo 2 ???
[08:54] <trevi> Is posible to compile kde from source in ubuntu?
[08:54] <Strife> trevi: yes, but why would you want to?
[08:54] <Kejk_PL> winex: no, but I heard that it works perfectly in cedega (even in wine)
[08:54] <drewbono_work> So I've come in search of someone who's familiar with having ubuntu authenticate against a windows DC
[08:54] <scott> anyone know of a terminal program that changes common text representations of progress bars to graphical representations or allows textured fonts (like jaderholm.com/files/font.jpg)? also, what is a good file manager that lends itself to being used from the keyboard, and has graphics (useful and limited ones)?
[08:54] <Strife> trust me, I used to use gentoo back in the day... compiling KDE is no fun
[08:54] <trevi> just askin'
[08:54] <scott> opps, sorry for repeat
[08:54] <trevi> ok thaks Strife
[08:55] <raven3x7> tritium what i want to do is disable samba. i dont need it and therefore it is a security liability. you think there might be a better way?
[08:55] <winex> kejk_pl: yes, it runs good, but is not possible play in Lan...
[08:55] <Strife> trevi: but just so you know, apt-get (and synaptic for that matter) allows you to download (most) packages in source format which you can then build if you so choose
[08:55] <ninnghizidha_> Good morning! I'm looking for a way to determine what busID my graphiccard should use....
[08:55] <tritium> raven3x7, you're not running samba with just samba-common installed
[08:55] <Strife> ninnghizidha_: lspci
[08:55] <winex> kejk_pl: And I'm trying to repair this problem...
[08:56] <ninnghizidha_> thanks a lot, i'll try it, strife.
[08:56] <ninnghizidha_> 8i love this channekl)
[08:56] <tritium> Strife, don't you just love latex-beamer, by the way?
[08:56] <trevi> Strife: yes I know...but I have a 56K modem...And kde sources in a cd...
[08:56] <Strife> tritium: yep :)
[08:56] <raven3x7> tritium hmm i also have smclient but not the server
[08:56] <raven3x7> smbclient
[08:56] <tritium> raven3x7, right, no server :)
[08:56] <Strife> trevi: is that actually smaller? i.e., does that not include the graphics, etc. then?
[08:57] <winex> kejk_pl: do u know something about this problem???
[08:57] <Kejk_PL> winex: sorry, no :(
[08:57] <Strife> trevi: most likely, the amount of time you'd be compiling would take just as long as downloading binaries anyway ;)
[08:57] <winex> kejk_pl: T_T
[08:57] <Kejk_PL> winex: maybe on transgaming or on #cedega?
[08:58] <elph0> hello everybody
[08:58] <sophtpaw> hello
[08:58] <trevi> :u9...mmm that's sounds awfull --really
[08:58] <trevi> hello elph
[08:58] <winex> kejk_pl: transgaming says Diablo 2 runs perfectly.... but...
[08:59] <ninnghizidha_> "0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller .. blabla" equals to BusID "PCI:1:0:0"?
[08:59] <winex> kejk_pl: Lan game doesn't works
[08:59] <elph0> im new in the ubuntu world... and i want to know, the ubuntu is debian based or its independent plataform?
[08:59] <lyy> is there a way to detect what languages my  system supports?
[08:59] <mjr> elph0, debian-based
[08:59] <ninnghizidha_> sure: at the GDM-Login-manager under languages.
[09:00] <Kejk_PL> winex: Unreal Tournament works just fine - I have never played Diablo, so I can't help much :0
[09:00] <Kejk_PL> :)
[09:00] <trevi> Suberbian ... I can say
[09:00] <elph0> cool, but what are the users focused? Desktop users? Server? Or both?
[09:01] <winex> kejk_pl: some games runs in LAN like Counter-Strike, but another like Age-Of-Empires and Diablo no
[09:01] <Kejk_PL> winex: strange
[09:01] <winex> kejk_pl: yes, strange
[09:01] <linuxboy> hi murmur
[09:01] <trevi> lyy: what do you mean... the locales?
[09:01] <winex> kejk_pl: Diablo 2 says: "Not valid IP found"
[09:01] <Disease> hi all
[09:02] <Kejk_PL> winex: but where is the problem  - can you put IP and connect or you receive some errors like network unreachable etc?
[09:02] <Chris107> hi everyone
[09:02] <Mobus> hello
[09:02] <elph0> hi
[09:02] <Chris107> i'm having a problem with starting up ubuntu
[09:02] <nubbe> elph0, I would say desktop is where it shines
[09:02] <Chris107> i get Kernel Panic - not syncing: machine check
[09:02] <trevi> Hi Chris
[09:02] <winex> kejk_pl: I'm not access to the Multiplayer menu
[09:02] <Chris107> anyone know why that's happening?
[09:03] <Chris_Tucker> Hi trevi
[09:03] <^thehatsrule^> Chris107: did you try booting the 2.4 kernel?
[09:03] <winex> kejk_pl: isn's a problem during the party cretion
[09:03] <Chris107> i don't think i have the 2.4 kernel installed
[09:03] <Chris107> i'm not sure
[09:04] <Kejk_PL> winex: I'm sorry, I can't help in this problem :(
[09:04] <^thehatsrule^> Chris107: its just a boot flag, did you try the livecd first?
[09:04] <Chris107> i can boot with a live cd
[09:04] <Chris107> get to the GUI and everything
[09:04] <^thehatsrule^> so this just happened when you did a hd-install?
[09:04] <winex> kejk_pl: well... I'm hope... One day I will play Diablo 2 in LAN!!!! T_T
[09:04] <Chris107> yes
[09:05] <Drifter> can someone please help me?
[09:05] <Kejk_PL> winex: :) try google and transgaming forum
[09:05] <elph0> nubbe> if you could say some words about the distro, what would you say?
[09:05] <Drifter> i need help with ubuntu please
[09:05] <Chris107> also, should i try the i386 version instead of amd64?
[09:06] <Chris107> i'm not sure if it's worth using the amd64 version
[09:06] <winex> kejk_pl: thanks
[09:06] <Drifter> can someone please help me answer a quick question? im new to ubuntu here
[09:07] <Kejk_PL> winex: no problem, I hope you find a way to fix it :)
[09:07] <nubbe> elph0, go to distrowatch and check some reviews, they r prolly better than what I can tell u, I'm just very happy with it since 6+ months coming from all windows all the time (no gaming tho)
[09:07] <sophtpaw> Drifter: have you checked out www.ubuntuguide.com ?
[09:07] <winex> kejk_pl: : )
[09:07] <Drifter> i have it up at the moment
[09:07] <Drifter> but mmm.....
[09:07] <nubbe> elph0, distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu
[09:07] <Drifter> i dunno
[09:07] <Drifter> this is such a simple thing, i think
[09:08] <norhted> hi everybody
[09:08] <sophtpaw> drifter: as a total newbie i can't help you
[09:08] <Mobus> does anyone know of an MP3 alarm clock for linux?
[09:08] <sophtpaw> but i also found useful
[09:08] <sophtpaw> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=73
[09:08] <elph0> i am reading about the cicle of new releases... six months to me sounds like "quickly new system, new problems". Its true for ubuntu?
[09:08] <norhted> have any of you ever used gcc in ubuntu
[09:09] <sophtpaw> its a forum for 'absolute beginners' you might find it useful also
[09:09] <tritium> norhted, yes
[09:09] <norhted> oh great then
[09:09] <norhted> can you tell me how
[09:09] <elph0> sorry about my questions... i am trying to understand better before test for a magazine that i work
[09:09] <tritium> norhted, "sudo apt-get install build-essential" to get the basic development environment
[09:09] <^thehatsrule^> Chris107: you dc'd: what cpu do you have?
[09:09] <tritium> then you should be all set
[09:09] <norhted> hmmm ok trying
[09:09] <Chris107> i have an AMD Athlon 3200
[09:10] <Chris107> Athlon 64
[09:10] <Mobus> does anyone know of an MP3 alarm clock for linux?
[09:10] <quique> #ubuntu-es
[09:10] <^thehatsrule^> Chris107: and the livecd you tried was for i386?
[09:10] <Chris107> no, amd64
[09:10] <fr500> Mobus, beep-media-player has a plugin for that
[09:11] <Chris107> but later on i've read there's no support for some programs in the amd64 version
[09:11] <^thehatsrule^> Chris107: then sry :/ im all intel here
[09:11] <Mobus> where can I get beep-media-plear and its plugin fr500?
[09:11] <^thehatsrule^> Chris107: but no harm in trying
[09:12] <fr500> Mobus, i was gonna say google, but........
[09:12] <fr500> http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/BMP_Homepage
[09:12] <ventzo> hello everybody
[09:13] <ventzo> I have one problem with partitions in ubuntu
[09:13] <tritium> Mobus, beep-media-player is in universe.
[09:13] <ventzo> is there any one who can help me
[09:13] <Mobus> thanks
[09:13] <fr500> tritium, it's plugins are not for the most part of it
[09:14] <norhted> thank you tritium for your help, it worked. by the way, i found some minor bugs. what is the best way to report
[09:14] <tritium> norhted, bugzilla, and thanks :)
[09:14] <sorush20> guys how do I extract a .exe file...
[09:14] <gantchev> ventzo, ask
[09:14] <norhted> :)) thnx
[09:14] <nJess> important question
[09:14] <tritium> norhted, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ :)
[09:14] <ventzo> firstsorry for my english
[09:14] <nJess> will 32bit drivers work in ndiswrapper on 64bit linux?
[09:14] <fr500> sorush20, unzip file_name shoud work
[09:15] <Spec[x] > sorush20: do `file <filename.exe>` to determine what it is
[09:15] <norhted> duly noted..... :))
[09:15] <tritium> fr500, okay, but perhaps the plugins can be installed separately from the player
[09:15] <elph0> ok now i can say that this system is good... installation time! Thanx all
[09:15] <fr500> tritium, yes, but the latest release is not there i think
[09:15] <AndyR> lo all
[09:15] <fr500> not 100% sure
[09:15] <tritium> fr500, I see...
[09:16] <ventzo> gatchev ti si bylgarin mai
[09:16] <Chris107> i'm gonna try i386 version
[09:16] <Chris107> i used it before on my Pentium 4
[09:16] <gantchev> ventzo, da
[09:16] <Chris107> and i was happy with preformance and stuff
[09:16] <ventzo> dai na bg da te pitam
[09:17] <ventzo> iskash li da ti pratq direktno adresa  kydeto sym poblikuval problema
[09:17] <sorush20> spec[x] , fr500, its not working i get this error... root@ubuntu:/home/sam/Desktop # unzip lj1488en.exe
[09:17] <sorush20> Archive:  lj1488en.exe
[09:17] <sorush20>   End-of-central-directory signature not found.  Either this file is not
[09:17] <sorush20>   a zipfile, or it constitutes one disk of a multi-part archive.  In the
[09:17] <sorush20>   latter case the central directory and zipfile comment will be found on
[09:17] <gantchev> ventzo, private
[09:17] <sorush20>   the last disk(s) of this archive.
[09:17] <sorush20> unzip:  cannot find zipfile directory in one of lj1488en.exe or
[09:17] <sorush20>         lj1488en.exe.zip, and cannot find lj1488en.exe.ZIP, period.
[09:17] <sorush20> sorry... should have used flood
[09:17] <Spec[x] > sorush20: did you run file on it?
[09:17] <fr500> sorush20, don't flood here
[09:17] <sophtpaw> drifter?
[09:18] <sorush20> its in the flood...
[09:18] <Spec[x] > no?
[09:18] <Spec[x] > # file lj1488en.exe
[09:18] <sorush20> spec[x] , fr500,  here is what I got when I ran file on it... its in the flood...
[09:18] <Chris107> anyone know what's causing the Kernel Panic - not syncing: machine check
[09:18] <Chris107> i keep getting?
[09:19] <Spec[x] > you mean #flood?
[09:19] <levander> udftools is how you use the rewrite feature of DVD-RW's and  CD-RW's?  E.g., not just write once, but can write to the disk multiple times?
[09:19] <levander> I need to rewrite from the command line.
[09:19] <sophtpaw> does someone know how to get into gui from command line?
[09:19] <Spec[x] > sorush20: that's a windows exec file...you can't unzip them
[09:19] <fr500> sorush20, maybe it's not a zipped insatller
[09:19] <Spec[x] > sorush20: you can try to run it with wine if you want
[09:19] <neuronlapse> hey, how can I try e17 window manager on ubuntu?
[09:19] <fr500> maybe it uses another compression method
[09:20] <^thehatsrule^> Chris107: maybe try failsafe boot params, or others...
[09:20] <levander> sophtpaw: type "startx"
[09:20] <sophtpaw> thx levander
[09:20] <sophtpaw> its not for me
[09:20] <fr500> Spec[x] , some zip - exes can be extracted that way
[09:20] <sorush20> spec[x] , I just need to get a file form inside.. it.. so I can send a firmware...
[09:20] <sophtpaw> drifter installed ubuntu from iso and says he found himself in text mode only
[09:20] <sorush20> spec[x] , its and .img file...
[09:20] <Spec[x] > aren't self-extracting zips reported as so with 'file'?
[09:21] <Spec[x] > sorush20: you have to 'install' it
[09:21] <Spec[x] > run wine on it
[09:22] <manolo> hi
[09:22] <manolo> where can I find a driver for my lexmark?????
[09:22] <linuxboy> can anybody recommend a usb wifi device that will work in linux ?
[09:23] <manolo> its an x1180
[09:23] <Drifter> levander
[09:23] <Drifter> you here?
[09:23] <sophtpaw> levander: startx came back with bash:command not found
[09:23] <Drifter> hehe
[09:23] <Chris_Tucker> sophtpaw try ctrl+shit+f7
[09:23] <sophtpaw> could you (or someone) help Drifter get out of text mode into gui
[09:24] <fr500> linuxboy, atheros
[09:24] <Anton2> levander: udftools is for packet writing (i think). To re-use a cd/dvd-rw, you just blank it (eg: cdrecord blank=fast)
[09:24] <sophtpaw> thx chris
[09:24] <Chris_Tucker> it work?
[09:24] <linuxboy> fr500: ty
[09:24] <Drifter> let me try
[09:24] <Drifter> Ctrl + shift + F7 does nothing
[09:25] <Drifter> my prompt still sayss mike@ubuntu~ and all that
[09:25] <norhted> in ubuntu, if we have also RPM packages, is there a packet manager to install them?
[09:26] <sophtpaw> chris: any other ideas?
[09:26] <Drifter> i dont know, ive not used linux before. all i know right now is im in a console mode, logged in with the account i made during setup.
[09:26] <uber_newber> .......so quiet in here.........................
[09:26] <concept10> norhted, try to install using ubuntu .debs only using rpm as LAST resort
[09:26] <Chris_Tucker> ctrl+alt+backspace?
[09:26] <sophtpaw> Does anyone know how to get out of text mode into gui?
[09:26] <Drifter> i need help getting into the GUI
[09:26] <linuxboy> fr500: there a usb version of that?
[09:27] <Drifter> Chris_Tucker, ill try it
[09:27] <fr500> linuxboy, i'm not 100% certain
[09:27] <fr500> sorry
[09:27] <norhted> but there is no .debs for nmap :)
[09:27] <linuxboy> fr500: there seems to be one... :)
[09:27] <Drifter> Ctrl + alt + back space makes my internal speaker beep.
[09:27] <Drifter> but thats it.
[09:28] <Chris_Tucker> you need to reconfig your xorg server
[09:28] <Drifter> can you guide me through that?
[09:28] <concept10> norhted, yes there is: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=nmap&searchon=name&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[09:28] <Drifter> or do u mean someone else?
[09:28] <norhted> hmmmm :)
[09:28] <Chris_Tucker> i knew 3 days ago but i cant remember the full command right now
[09:28] <Drifter> i typed help
[09:28] <Chris_Tucker> guys, throw up the command line for the xorg config app
[09:28] <concept10> Did you guys know that there is a package search for firefox?
[09:29] <Drifter> and theres a "exec" command
[09:29] <Drifter> but i dont know the file name for the desk top
[09:29] <anacron> Chris_Tucker: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[09:29] <Chris_Tucker> yes thats it anacron
[09:29] <Chris_Tucker> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:29] <Drifter>  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:29] <Chris_Tucker> yes
[09:29] <Chris_Tucker> do that
[09:29] <Drifter> ok ill type that
[09:29] <norhted> thnx concept, i liked this link :)
[09:29] <LinuxMoron> why doesnt the nautilus front end burning app make auido cds
[09:30] <concept10> norhted, how did you search for that package?
[09:30] <tritium> anacron, don't forget sudo
[09:30] <Drifter> guys
[09:31] <Drifter> it said
[09:31] <sophtpaw> sudo dpkg -
[09:31] <anacron> tritium: well that's so basic i don't usually remember to add it
[09:31] <Drifter> /usr/sbin/ dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg must be run as root
[09:31] <norhted> what is the difference between `warty`, `hoary` and `breezy`?
[09:31] <Chris_Tucker> ah yes dont forget to sudo
[09:31] <Chris_Tucker> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:31] <tritium> Drifter, you need to use sudo first
[09:31] <Drifter> what do i do now?
[09:31] <sophtpaw> anacron: lol, you forget you're talking to newbies
[09:31] <Chris_Tucker> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:31] <LinuxMoron> does the nautilus cd burner make audio cds?
[09:32] <tritium> no, LinuxMoron
[09:32] <Drifter> so now i type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[09:32] <Drifter> ?
[09:32] <sophtpaw> yes
[09:32] <Drifter> k...
[09:32] <concept10> norhted, those are ubuntu versions.
[09:32] <sophtpaw> then you'll be prompted for your password i imagine
[09:32] <Lio> how can i put the trashcan on my workspace?
[09:32] <Drifter> ok its asking for a password
[09:32] <LinuxMoron> tritium, so must i use GnomeBaker insted
[09:32] <Drifter> is that my account pass?
[09:32] <sophtpaw> yes
[09:33] <Drifter> thx
[09:33] <norhted> hmmm well, how can you check for my version?
[09:33] <tritium> LinuxMoron, or graveman, among others
[09:33] <LinuxMoron> cool.
[09:33] <anacron> sophtpaw: he will ask again, if he/she don't know how to use sudo, so i don't think that's a problem
[09:33] <Drifter> it says that
[09:33] <concept10> norhted, when did you install it?
[09:33] <sophtpaw> of course not
[09:33] <LinuxMoron> and why doesnt XINE show up in the Applications menu?
[09:33] <Drifter> the package is not installed and there is no information available,
[09:34] <norhted> 3 hours ago :)
[09:34] <scott> for some reason my page up/down don't work inside screen. anyone know why?
[09:34] <Drifter> then it spit out a couple more lines and now im back to a prompt.
[09:34] <linukso> Hi! Any zsh-users here? svn autocompletion doesn't work...
[09:34] <tritium> LinuxMoron, not all applications have proper .desktop entries following the freedesktop.org specification yet
[09:34] <sophtpaw> anacron: i was laughing because when i came from SuSE i had never heard of sudo, i found it a strange concept, but it works
[09:34] <norhted> by the way, i just found ubuntu today
[09:34] <Drifter> how do i get the package?
[09:34] <Drifter> or whatever
[09:34] <norhted> i think it is great
[09:35] <tritium> Drifter, did you spell it right?  please run "dpkg -l | grep xserver", and see what's listed
[09:35] <Drifter> okay....
[09:35] <concept10> channel : Ubuntu  package search engine for Firefox http://mycroft.mozdev.org/download.html?name=ubuntu&submitform=Find+search+plugins
[09:35] <sorush20> guys.. is wine legal..
[09:35] <tritium> yes
[09:35] <anacron> sure it is
[09:35] <tritium> sorush20, are you over 21?  ;)
[09:35] <concept10> If youre over 21
[09:36] <sophtpaw> except in muslim countries
[09:36] <Drifter> i typed that
[09:36] <anacron> :D
[09:36] <Lio> guys, how can i put a trashcan icon on my desktop?
[09:36] <sorush20> tritium, yes..
[09:36] <Kejk_PL> tritium: over 21? where?
[09:36] <Drifter> and it went thinking a second, it did not echo any lines, the next line was the prompt again.
[09:36] <tritium> Kejk_PL, the U.S.
[09:36] <sophtpaw> in France we give wine to babies, hehe
[09:36] <Kejk_PL> tritium: sucks :)
[09:36] <tritium> Drifter, did you do a normal install?
[09:36] <concept10> tritium, are you a developer?
[09:36] <Drifter> tritium
[09:36] <david_> hi there
[09:37] <Drifter> i installed the standard thing for 1386
[09:37] <david_> i have a question you may be able to answer
[09:37] <tritium> concept10, no, just a universe packager (on occasion)
[09:37] <kkathman> Lio - Right click on a bar, choose Add to Panel, then Applet...its there.
[09:37] <Drifter> some of the packages didnt install fully, but i think most of it is here
[09:37] <sophtpaw> drifter: you downloaded iso?
[09:37] <Drifter> yes
[09:37] <Drifter> and burned to CD
[09:37] <LinuxMoron> so Xine plays both audio and video?
[09:37] <tritium> Drifter, can you please "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop", and see it if pulls in more packages...
[09:38] <uber_newber> ne1 wanna see if lynksis wireless adapters are supported by ndiswrapper?
[09:38] <concept10> tritium, the reason I asked is because someone made a plugin called tritium a couple of years ago, it was great
[09:38] <tritium> concept10, oh, really?  What did it do?
[09:38] <Drifter> tritium, sure. but can we talk in pm? too many ppl, i need to keep up with u
[09:38] <tritium> Drifter, okay.
[09:39] <Lio> kkathman, i mean, i wanna put it in the workspace
[09:39] <tritium> Kejk_PL, :)
[09:39] <sophtpaw> you're in luck Drifter, you're in good and capable hands in here
[09:39] <tritium> sophtpaw, :)
[09:39] <drewbono_work> Has anyone here got ubuntu to authenticate against a Windows domain before?
[09:39] <sophtpaw> you'll get there and when you do, drifter, welcome to Ubuntu
[09:40] <Kejk_PL> tritium: in Holland is nice, but I live in Poland - pretty good too :)
[09:40] <sophtpaw> tritium, ;)
[09:40] <concept10> tritium, check this out:http://www.kvraudio.com/get/60.html
[09:41] <tritium> Kejk_PL, I can imagine :)
[09:41] <tritium> heh, elph0 :)
[09:41] <uber_newber> are lynksis wireless cards supported by ndiswrapper?
[09:41] <sorush20> I have to run the uninstall with the wine too right..
[09:42] <Kyral> uber_newber, yes
[09:42] <sorush20> how does the flood work... I don't understand.. it doesn't seem very busy...
[09:42] <uber_newber> Kryal> thanx
[09:42] <sophtpaw> i thought it was the blue pill :0
[09:42] <elph0> tritium> i think that brazilians guys will do the same after the magazine say that its good :D
[09:43] <david_> hi
[09:43] <david_> is there anybody able to help me??
[09:43] <Kyral> uber_newber, just have the Windows drivers on hand
[09:43] <david_> i have some problems with my ubuntu distribution
[09:43] <Kyral> david_, depends on the question :D
[09:43] <david_> ok ok
[09:43] <uber_newber> Kryal> ok
[09:43] <david_> i will tell you
[09:43] <tritium> thanks for the URL, concept10 :)
[09:43] <Vasily> lol
[09:43] <tritium> elph0, awesome!
[09:43] <david_> i have installed the ubuntu distribution with the default stuff
[09:43] <Kyral> yup
[09:43] <david_> and if i try to choose the multimedia sound system i have three options
[09:44] <david_> ALSA, OSS and esound
[09:44] <concept10> tritium, np.  Its a VST intrument plugin, it was great years back.  I used to make alot of songs with it
[09:44] <david_> the only one working is esound and i want to have ALSA working alone and emulating OSS
[09:44] <Kyral> I wish they had ONE sound system for Linux....
[09:44] <Kyral> !esd
[09:44] <ubotu> I heard esd is Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously.
[09:44] <concept10> One.....
[09:44] <LinuxMoron> how can i get totem to play audio and video
[09:44] <pippijn> hi all
[09:44] <sophtpaw> kyral: ditto that
[09:44] <concept10> Linux has three of everything
[09:44] <sophtpaw> only three?!
[09:44] <concept10> at least three
[09:45] <sophtpaw> :)
[09:45] <Kyral> someone change that to be the thing that tells you how to kill ESD
[09:45] <david_> hehehe
[09:45] <pippijn> does anyone know how to setup an ntp server?
[09:45] <Kyral> wait..
[09:45] <david_> yeah but the problem is that there are some applications that are not working properly
[09:45] <david_> like vlc for example
[09:45] <tritium> pippijn, sudo apt-get install ntp-server ;)
[09:45] <pippijn> tritium: I did that
[09:46] <pippijn> I did that
[09:46] <david_> i may try to recompile the kernel but i thinks that's maybe too complicated
[09:46] <Lio> can anyone tell how to put a trashcan icon in my workspace (not on the panel)
[09:46] <tritium> pippijn, beyond that, look in /usr/share/doc/ntp-server for documentation
[09:46] <pippijn> ah
[09:46] <sophtpaw> david: have you updated repositories?
[09:46] <signius> david there is an option in the sound bit of system stuff
[09:46] <tritium> pippijn, all packages put their docs under /usr/share/doc
[09:46] <pippijn> hm
[09:46] <david_> yes i have
[09:46] <signius> let me boot my laptop ill see if i can find
[09:46] <signius> i had the same problem
[09:46] <trappist> ubuntu seems like it might be my kind of distro.  is there like a "why use ubuntu" doc somewhere?
[09:46] <LinuxMoron> does anybody know of a universal media player?
[09:46] <david_> but nothing changed
[09:47] <trappist> LinuxMoron: mplayer
[09:47] <tritium> Lio, one moment
[09:47] <david_> linuxmoron vlc is a good chance
[09:47] <pippijn> tritium: that is no good... just a changelog
[09:47] <LinuxMoron> trappist, mplayer gives me a font erorr
[09:47] <LinuxMoron> error
[09:47] <Kyral> david_,  try this http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[09:47] <tritium> pippijn, nothing more?
[09:47] <pippijn> nope
[09:47] <david_> ok kyral
[09:47] <tritium> hrm, that's not helpful
[09:47] <david_> i'll be back in some minutes then
[09:47] <sophtpaw> gl
[09:47] <norhted> i have the most recent ubuntu, is it breezy?
[09:47] <pippijn> indeed and google says nothing useful either
[09:48] <funkyHat> Kyral,
[09:48] <funkyHat> !ubuntuguide
[09:48] <ubotu> from memory, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[09:48] <signius> its nothing to do with the packages
[09:48] <tritium> pippijn, best I can suggest then is to "dpkg -L ntp-server" to list the files in the package, and see what it's got.  Then, take a loot at config files, etc.
[09:48] <pippijn> google tells me about how to setup ntp at windows
[09:48] <tritium> s/loot/look
[09:48] <trappist> ok then I'll just as you guys - why would somebody switch from, say, debian to ubuntu?
[09:48] <signius> I had it where sound stuff wouldnt work under kismet
[09:48] <david_> ouch
[09:48] <signius> its to do with this ESD crap
[09:49] <signius> booting my lappy now
[09:49] <david_> i am sorry mates i have to leave now... but thank you very much, i'll be back if i don't find the answer
[09:49] <zzzzzzz> how can I find out to which package a certain file belongs to?
[09:49] <david_> bye!!
[09:49] <norhted> hello guys
[09:49] <norhted> i have the most recent ubuntu, is it breezy?
[09:49] <Kyral> funkyHat, I how, but I couldn't find the damn forum topic
[09:49] <Kyral> NO NO NO!!!
[09:49] <funkyHat> norhted, the most recent released version is hoary (5.04)
[09:49] <Kyral> Breezy == UNSTABLE!!
[09:49] <norhted> :*
[09:49] <tritium> zzzzzzz, dpkg -S <filename>
[09:49] <pippijn> tritium: apt-get install ntp-doc
[09:49] <signius> pointless me booting up my laptop and giving david the answer now then
[09:49] <pippijn> it has external ntp docs
[09:49] <norhted> :) thnx funkyHat
[09:49] <Kyral> sorry for yelling, but upgrading to Breezy gives you a world of problems
[09:49] <tritium> pippijn, there you go :)
[09:49] <signius> it would have only tooka  couple of mins
[09:49] <sophtpaw> very bleedin unstable
[09:49] <Kyral> X != working
[09:49] <pippijn> 2MB
[09:50] <pippijn> Kyral: X == working for me
[09:50] <pippijn> ;)
[09:50] <Kyral> in Breezy?
[09:50] <citrus_> what do i put in grub so it wont boot with framebuffer?
[09:51] <pippijn> tritium: the first thing I see in the docs: NTP is by its very nature a complex distributed network application
[09:51] <tritium> pippijn, I can imagine.
[09:51] <zzzzzzz> tritium: thanks!
[09:51] <tritium> sure thing, :)
[09:51] <pippijn> there's r and s addresses
[09:52] <signius> is all he has to do is disable Enable sound server startup from with sound in system and david would have been good to go
[09:52] <pippijn> and peers and servers and manycast
[09:52] <pippijn> whoa
[09:52] <citrus_> what do i put in grub so it wont boot with framebuffer?
[09:52] <pippijn> this is going to be a long read
[09:52] <signius> oh well serves him right for beong so impatient
[09:54] <zzzzzzz> does anyone of you use the CUPS browsing feature?
[09:54] <norhted> well, i downloaded my first .deb package, is there a tutorial to explain how to install it?
[09:54] <pippijn> norhted: dpkg -i <package>
[09:54] <pippijn> that's really the whole tutorial
[09:55] <zzzzzzz> :-)
[09:55] <ValheruLord> with which command can i configure my network with dhcp
[09:55] <norhted> ok, trying........
[09:55] <Kejk_PL> in breezy will be parrel init? it would be very usefull for NTP (if networks is down it take ages to go to next step)?
[09:55] <the--dud> is ubuntuforums.org slow for anyone else here?
[09:55] <Burgundavia> the--dud, yes
[09:55] <the--dud> Burgundavia, :/
[09:55] <the--dud> that's how it goes I suppose...
[09:55] <tritium> Lio, still there?
[09:55] <the--dud> Burgundavia, noticed if its been so for long now?
[09:55] <pippijn> Kejk_PL: I won't like parallel init
[09:56] <Burgundavia> the--dud, just started trying
[09:56] <pippijn> I hope you can deactivate that feature
[09:56] <ValheruLord> with which command can i configure my network with dhcp
[09:56] <pippijn> ValheruLord: dhclient
[09:56] <the--dud> ValheruLord, its a common mistake to assume you want dhcpd, but you really want dhcpcd
[09:56] <tritium> ValheruLord, please don't repeat
[09:56] <Kejk_PL> pippijn: Ok, so what will be done with NTP-client?
[09:56] <the--dud> or dhclient
[09:56] <pippijn> Kejk_PL: maybe give it a timeout
[09:56] <pippijn> or
[09:56] <citrus_> how should i change menu.lst for grub so that it does not boot with framebuffer ?
[09:56] <tritium> ValheruLord, you likely have what you need installed.  Make sure the interface is configured for DHCP
[09:56] <pippijn> like me - I put a & after the ntpdate command
[09:57] <tritium> Lio, ?
[09:57] <pippijn> in the init.d entry
[09:57] <pippijn> citrus_: vga=normal
[09:57] <tritium> look into update-rc.d
[09:57] <Lio> tritium, sorry i was reading  hehe
[09:57] <pippijn> citrus_: after the kernel
[09:57] <Lio> tritium, well im here now :)
[09:57] <pippijn> i.e. as kernel option
[09:57] <Kejk_PL> pippijn: so you have parallel init :) timeout should be lower too
[09:57] <tritium> Lio, Applications->System Tools->Configuration Editor
[09:57] <pippijn> Kejk_PL: I have parallel init for only one entry
[09:57] <citrus_> pippijn: should i take anything out?
[09:57] <pippijn> citrus_: no
[09:58] <citrus_> like splash
[09:58] <signius> how can i do a search for all packages to do with snmp using apt-get ?
[09:58] <citrus_> k
[09:58] <pippijn> splash will be overridden
[09:58] <tritium> signius, "apt-cache search snmp"
[09:58] <citrus_> pippijn: should i put that right after splash
[09:58] <pippijn> citrus_: just as the last option
[09:58] <pippijn> it overrides anything else
[09:58] <signius> OOoooooohhhhhhh 6 mins away from possibly winning myself a new server on ebay
[09:58] <ValheruLord> tritium, my friend has a problem... installed ubuntu yeah but his net is not wokin with dhcp.. i say him to give ifup eth0 command .. he says no response form terminal to that ... btw his eth card is recgnized no problem because of hardware
[09:58] <aarcane> apt-get install azureus failed.  WTF!?!?  I _KNOW_ azureus exists, why can't I apt-get install it ?
[09:59] <signius> tritium thanks
[09:59] <tritium> Lio, then: apps->nautilus->desktop->trash_icon_visible (check this)
[09:59] <tritium> ValheruLord, he needs to configure eth0 to use dhcp
[09:59] <bigjg> aarcane: might need java first
[09:59] <zzzzzzz> why is my network card (eth0) always configured at boot-time even though I did deactivate it in System / Administration / Networking?
[09:59] <citrus_> ok  going to try it  talk in a bit
[09:59] <mcphail> Anyone here on AMD 64? Are there problems with graphics card drivers etc? (i'm thinking of buying a new box...)
[09:59] <ismael> hola
[09:59] <tritium> ValheruLord, make sure he has a line like "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:00] <ValheruLord> he did tritium .. in /etc/network/interfaces: auto eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp is written
[10:00] <Lio> Lio, ok lemme try
[10:00] <Kejk_PL> pippijn: OK :) but it would be nice to make advanced init - NTP won't start, if /etc/init,d/network failed
[10:00] <ismael> holsaben cmopuedo hacer aparecer la papelera de reciclaje an el escritorio?
[10:00] <tritium> ismael, #ubuntu-es
[10:00] <aarcane> does this look like missing java: ithil ElectronX: You need a court order for it.
[10:00] <aarcane> Greg-Nap Electorn, well lesse, there is the two guys they caught up in Albany who wanted to start a terror training camp, there is the one in
[10:00] <signius> does anyone here use any snmp tools i was looking for something similar to snmpwalk if possible
[10:01] <aarcane> does this look like missing java: apt-get install azureus
[10:01] <aarcane> Reading package lists... Done
[10:01] <aarcane> Building dependency tree... Done
[10:01] <aarcane> E: Couldn't find package azureus
[10:01] <mcphail> zzzzzzz: remove the word 'auto' in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:01] <pippijn> Kejk_PL: yes that would be optimum
[10:02] <tritium> aarcane, you're missing a repo then.  one of those backports repos
[10:02] <zzzzzzz> mcphail: but apart from lo there is no auto in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:02] <Kejk_PL> pippijn: but who will make it? :))
[10:02] <ValheruLord> mcphail, why can dhcp be not working and connection not set at start ...in /etc/network/interfaces: auto eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp is written and ifconfig eth0 is okay
[10:02] <pippijn> Kejk_PL: your next project ;)
[10:02] <aarcane> tritium, I added every repo but the src repos in synaptic, and It's simply not there.
[10:02] <tritium> ValheruLord, what happens when he runs "ifup eth0"?
[10:02] <Kejk_PL> pippijn: hehe
[10:02] <tritium> aarcane, did you update?
[10:03] <tritium> aarcane, after adding the repos, you need to reload the package listings so apt knows about the packages in the new repos you added
[10:03] <scott> anyone know how to get rid of the foot icon in file manager (nautilus?)
[10:03] <Lio> tritium, tnx man it worked :)
[10:03] <tritium> Lio, :)
[10:03] <ValheruLord> tritium, returns nothing he says
[10:04] <aarcane> tritium, yes.  I updated just this morning.  I've not changed my repositories in about 2 weeks.  I have everything, universe, multiverse, restricted..  everything but src
[10:04] <tritium> aarcane, it's not in any of the official repos
[10:04] <zzzzzzz> scott: I think that can be done with the System tools / Configuration editor (gconf-editor)
[10:04] <ValheruLord> tritium, ?
[10:05] <tritium> ValheruLord, what does ifconfig tell you about the interface?
[10:05] <aarcane> tritium, is there an official unofficial repo I need ?
[10:05] <Hoxzer> how do I set prioreties to files in bittorrent?
[10:06] <yaaar> word
[10:06] <zzzzzzz> scott: try apps / panel / objects. There should be an object for your menu. There is an entry use-custom-icon....
[10:06] <tritium> aarcane, yes, I said it's one of the backports repos
[10:06] <aarcane> tritium, I hate to sound like a complete n00b, but..  backports repos ?
[10:07] <nubbe> aarcane, http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/   main universe multiverse restricted
[10:07] <phanter> how can i install ttf font in ubunut
[10:07] <phanter> ubuntu (sorry)
[10:07] <tritium> aarcane, I'm not the one to ask.  I don't use backports
[10:07] <nubbe> aarcane, ubuntuguide,org  as always
[10:08] <nubbe> . that is
[10:08] <ValheruLord> tritium, ifconfig eth0 is okay .. rx.. tx full duplex
[10:08] <tritium> ubotu, tell nubbe about ubuntuguide
[10:08] <scott> zzzzzzz: I can't find it anywhere under apps/nautilus
[10:08] <AndyR> anyone know if gaimvv has been packaged yet for ubuntu?
[10:08] <Dr_Fate> I don't what the hell is wrong with my system
[10:08] <Dr_Fate> well FF at least
[10:08] <tritium> AndyR, no, it has not
[10:08] <Dr_Fate> my system is running fine
[10:08] <sorush20> guys could some one explain this to me please... it s in the flood...
[10:09] <Dr_Fate> but FF wont start now
[10:09] <nubbe> tritium, thank u, I had nooooo idea, pls fix wiki, instead of telling me that
[10:09] <norhted> now my new challenge comes :))
[10:09] <norhted> i am a turkish-q keyboard user, however this keyboard is not included in ubuntu. :( is there a way to add a new keyboard type?
[10:09] <tritium> Dr_Fate, see the topic
[10:09] <yaaar> i've got a weird one. a friend of mine had ubuntu installed on /dev/hdb with a win2k install on /dev/hda. Then he pulled the windows drive out and put the ubuntu one on master. naturally it wouldn't boot, as grub was previously installed on hda. so i booted a gentoo livecd (it was handy) mounted the partition, edited /boot/grub/menu.lst, changed all the (hd1,0) lines to (hd0,0), all the (hd1) lines to (hd0), and all the /de/hdb's into /dev/hda's.
[10:09] <AndyR> tritium, im interested in taking it on
[10:09] <yaaar> anybody know what i might have missed?
[10:09] <tritium> nubbe, what do you mean fix the wiki?
[10:09] <zzzzzzz> scott: apps/panel/objects in gconf-editor
[10:09] <ValheruLord> tritium, ifconfig is ok? and ? what more to try
[10:09] <tritium> AndyR, really?  Go for it!
[10:09] <nJess> how do i install ndiswrapper?
[10:10] <LasseL> Dr_Fate, did you search the forums?
[10:10] <Dr_Fate> tritium, I've seen the topic and this has nothing to do with it.
[10:10] <tritium> ValheruLord, did he try dhclient eth0 ?
[10:10] <AndyR> tritium, is it best to make my intentions known?
[10:10] <qt2> are gonme# and glade# available in backports? i cant find them anywhere, but the guy that wrote monopod said they were there...
[10:10] <majikstreet> nJess there are good guides on the forums for ndiswrapper but i think they are down now :(
[10:10] <nubbe> tritium, make it easier to use, why don't u check the thread about this on ubuntuforums
[10:10] <matva> helllllllllllooooooooooooooooo
[10:10] <tritium> AndyR, it can't hurt.  :)
[10:10] <phanter> is it possible to install true type fonts in ubuntu? and how can I do this?
[10:11] <nJess> i just need the apt-get command
[10:11] <nJess> do you know that?
[10:11] <majikstreet> yes
[10:11] <mcphail> Anyone using ubuntu on AMD 64?
[10:11] <Dr_Fate> LasseL, Even with the well know issues, FF still started, and worked albeit slowly, now it doesnot start at all after crimsun directed me to force install the older version
[10:11] <majikstreet> apt-get install ndiswrapper and apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[10:11] <nJess> k
[10:11] <AndyR> just incase someone else has similar ideas
[10:11] <mjr> phanter, basically most software will see fonts put in ~/.fonts
[10:11] <tritium> nubbe, the wiki documentation is what we prefer users follow.  I don't know what you mean by "fix"
[10:11] <mjr> phanter, sadly, openoffice.org is an exception
[10:11] <LasseL> Dr_Fate, i had something like that too
[10:11] <qt2> so hello...
[10:12] <majikstreet> that should work-- you can use the ndiswrapper wki for the configuration
[10:12] <zzzzzzz> could anyone actually log into irc.freenode.net using the pre-installed XChat from Ubuntu 5.04?
[10:12] <phanter> mjr, I do use OO.org, hpw can i make it recognize my font?
[10:12] <yaaar> zzzzzzz: yeah i have
[10:12] <LasseL> Dr_Fate, I uninstalled all packaged called anything like firefox, disabled the backports from my sources.list and finally installed "ubuntu-desktop"
[10:12] <AndyR> zzzzzzz, yes no probs
[10:12] <Dr_Fate> LasseL, It won't srt nor does it give any error
[10:12] <ValheruLord> tritium, may be dhclient is not in init.. how to check???
[10:12] <mjr> phanter, I don't recall, sorry
[10:12] <LasseL> Dr_Fate, i had the same
[10:12] <Dr_Fate> LasseL, sounds like what I need
[10:13] <azambuja> hi there! i need help with a sobrenatural problem in my ubuntu :-)
[10:13] <phanter> mjr, and I do not have the folder /.fonts
[10:13] <nubbe> tritium, u can prefer all u want, and u can be condescending all u want, but I'm not impressed by ur pretended ignorance
[10:13] <tritium> ValheruLord, not sure I know what you mean.  It's in the dhcp3-client package
[10:13] <nalioth> phanter: make a ~/.fonts folder
[10:13] <Dr_Fate> LasseL, Attempting to remove FF wanted to dismantle the whole damn OS
[10:13] <mjr> phanter, that just means that you don't have user fonts installed yet
[10:13] <zzzzzzz> yaaar, AndyR: no error msg "USER :Not enough parameters" in XChat?
[10:13] <tritium> nubbe, what are you talking about?  Try to be polite, please.
[10:14] <azambuja> my network is well configured, but when i reboot it does not work. then i restart networking without changing configuration and then it starts working :-S
[10:14] <LasseL> Dr_Fate, it wants to uninstall ubuntu-desktop? you say yes
[10:14] <raven3x7> i added a new user to my system. crated his home folder. but gnome wont start because it cant create an entry in gconf. any ideas?
[10:14] <tritium> nubbe, we simply ask that people not refer to ubuntuguide.  Nothing condescending about that.
[10:15] <citrus_> ubuntu forums down?
[10:15] <Dr_Fate> LasseL, not exactly, it wants to uninstall gnome , gnome-fifth-toe, gdm, etc
[10:15] <phanter> mjr, I just did what you said and OO.org 2 did recognise the font and it works !!! (I now can finally read the Georgion texts !!! ) thanks!
[10:15] <thenuke> yeap, ubuntuguide is not guide for real newbies :)
[10:15] <majikstreet> the forums seem to be down
[10:15] <matva> Anyone know how i can change my firefox icon? It says permission denied
[10:15] <majikstreet> that was @ cirtrus_
[10:15] <mjr> phanter, oh, yeah, version 2 does use fontconfig (and therefore works with .fonts), I just assumed you were using 1.x :)
[10:15] <Dr_Fate> LasseL, I'm tempted to just wait until an update becomes available
[10:15] <majikstreet> citrus_ are you getting connection refused? i am too
[10:16] <raven3x7> matva yiu probably need root privileges
[10:16] <LasseL> Dr_Fate, sounds bad
[10:16] <nubbe> tritium, I'll be polite, but r u really telling me that u can't see that the ease of use provided by ubuntuguide is a good complement to wiki?
[10:16] <tritium> nubbe, we've provided a nice URL to UserDocumentation in the topic
[10:16] <citrus_> yeah
[10:16] <Disaster_it> Sorry for this question... someone use Iomega zip (ppa) under Ubuntu?
[10:16] <azambuja> no ideas, no one? :-(
[10:16] <LasseL> Dr_Fate, which packages did you say you try to uninstall?
[10:16] <chaps0063> can anyone tell me why when I log into gnome, my home directory opens up?
[10:16] <nubbe> tritium, especially for ppl who might not even know what they r looking for?
[10:16] <[ABC] BadBadBoy> U R ALL GAY
[10:16] <majikstreet> citrus_  I guess they are down then.
[10:17] <mjr> chaps0063, you have a session saved where your home dir is open; save the session you want the next time you log out, or manually
[10:17] <Dr_Fate> LasseL, all things FF related
[10:17] <matva> root priv? I'm using kubuntu, and it only has sudo.
[10:17] <chaps0063> mjr: ah, I see...thanks.
[10:17] <yaaar> anybody know why ubuntu would drop me at a 'grub?' prompt after switching a hard drive's position and reinstalling grub? it'll boot if i type 'configfile /boot/grub/menu.lst' at the prompt.
[10:17] <matva> this is madness
[10:17] <chaps0063> matva: did you try sudo passwd root?
[10:17] <tritium> nubbe, much of its advice is very poor.  It's not good for newbies in particular.  No explanation of _why_ things are done, for one thing.
[10:17] <LasseL> Dr_Fate, expiriment with fewer packages
[10:17] <signius> ok so sudo su
[10:17] <Disaster_it> Sorry for this question... someone use Iomega zip (ppa) under Ubuntu?
[10:18] <raven3x7> nubbe since lately ubuntuguide suggest using backports for day to dy usage i dont think its very usefull to newbies really
[10:18] <majikstreet> if the firefox versions are broken, how do we get firefox?!?!
[10:18] <citrus_> is there just as many packages for the amd64 distro?  i just installed it
[10:18] <Dr_Fate> LasseL, its useless its because of the backports
[10:18] <Dr_Fate> LasseL, crimsun had me remove it without touching the dependencies from CLI
[10:18] <mjr> citrus_, differences are mostly in third-party packages
[10:18] <nubbe> tritium, I understand that u don't want to be responsible if someone breaks stuff, but I prolly would have kept on walking if it wasn't for that guide
[10:19] <matva> wow
[10:19] <LasseL> Dr_Fate, come to think of it. I disabled backports first, did an update and then removed the ff packages
[10:19] <Dr_Fate> LasseL, at least the other Gecko browsers still work
[10:19] <chaps0063> matva: wow?
[10:19] <flogiston> Hi i Just installed a windows program that creates themes for sonyericsson phones. But i can't find the directory where I installed the program.
[10:19] <IcemanV9> english ubuntu forum is down?
[10:19] <Dr_Fate> LasseL, I'll try that
[10:19] <raven3x7> matva use sudo
[10:19] <tritium> nubbe, okay, but please understand why we're not recommending it.  Some of its advice is simply not the right way to do things.
[10:19] <LasseL> Dr_Fate, ok, in my case no mozilla based packages could install so i was pretty much fscked
[10:19] <majikstreet> IcemanV9 if you are getting connection refused, welcome to the club; they are down i think
[10:19] <IcemanV9> figured
[10:19] <raven3x7> sudo gives root priviliges
[10:20] <flogiston> What is the path to fake_windows?
[10:20] <citrus_> whats a good repository for amd64 packages that are pretty updated  like new version of programs
[10:20] <matva> how do i talk to you directly
[10:20] <tritium> flogiston, that should be under your ~/.wine directory
[10:20] <qt2> are gonme# and glade# available in backports? i cant find them anywhere, but the guy that wrote monopod says they are there...
[10:20] <flogiston> There is no /.wine under ~
[10:20] <Dr_Fate> LasseL, ouch, not that bad here, but try to remove after backports disabled, brb
[10:21] <phanter> hello, I have problems with my time settings. I use ntp and my timezone is configured correctly, but the time on my machine is one hour off (it is actual time - 1 hour on my laptop). Where could the problem be?
[10:21] <enno_> hello i am new to ubuntu and eager to understand the package management. what i need to know is: how can i install something if i dont have an internet connection on my computer? i search for ncurses-devel package but couldnt find one
[10:21] <nubbe> tritium, I understand ur point of view, I think. I also, honestly, would like to know what backports is breaking, since I use it
[10:21] <tritium> flogiston, okay, that is where it _would_ be if you had used winetools, for example.
[10:21] <tritium> nubbe, breaks upgrading to new releases
[10:21] <majikstreet> phanter: seems like something to do with daylight savings time... maybe it isn't and should be or maybe it is and shouldn't be
[10:22] <flogiston> Tritium, I used winetools, I think...
[10:22] <nalioth> nubbe: the backports developers are currently not in sync with mainline ubuntu devs
[10:22] <tritium> nubbe, and it's not _my_ point of view alone ;)
[10:22] <nalioth> nubbe: using BP can cause your machine to not upgrade at any point
[10:22] <citrus_> does anyone nottice a realy performance boost using the 64 bit distro compared to the i386 distro on the same system?
[10:22] <majikstreet> enno_ the ubuntu cd has a lot of packages on it
[10:22] <sorush20> guys do you think.. I'll be able to start printing by tomorrow...
[10:22] <[koji] > tritium: aint backports an official project now
[10:22] <phanter> majikstreet, how can I enalbe/disable it?
[10:23] <Anton2> citrus_: no.
[10:23] <enno_> majikstreet: yes but how can i search them?
[10:23] <mjr> citrus_, probably not, unless they were measuring :)
[10:23] <chaps0063> matva: talk to who directly?
[10:23] <majikstreet> what do you want to seach, enno_
[10:23] <citrus_> well is it not really worth it for me to use it then?
[10:23] <nalioth> [koji] : it is heading that way rapidly, if not already, but the pkgs are still not "totally safe for use"
[10:23] <majikstreet> phanter: are you using gnome
[10:23] <Burgundavia> [koji] , yes
[10:23] <enno_> majikstreet: the package that contains the ncurses headers
[10:23] <mrson> alguien me puede ayudar, soy nobato en ubuntu
[10:23] <yaaar> anybody good with grub in here?
[10:23] <Disaster_it> ubunuit
[10:24] <phanter> majikstreet, yes
[10:24] <mjr> citrus_, depends
[10:24] <mjr> I use it
[10:24] <majikstreet> phanter: one second
[10:24] <citrus_> why do you like to use it
[10:24] <majikstreet> enno_ hold on let me check what it's called
[10:24] <enno_> yaaar: quite good
[10:24] <yaaar> enno_: well, that's what i thought too until just now ;-)
[10:24] <flogiston> The winesetuptk package is installed bbut i can't start the setup tools for wine...
[10:24] <enno_> yaaar: whats the problem?
[10:25] <yaaar> enno_: my friend had ubuntu on /dev/hdb with win2k on /dev/hda. grub was installed on hda. then he pulled the windows drive and put the ubuntu disk on prim master. so it wouldn't boot, naturally. (more coming)
[10:25] <mjr> mostly just not wanting to waste a good 64-bit computer, and the knowledge that while I wouldn't probably notice the difference without looking at the time, some tasks _would_ be slower with a 32-bit OS, especially the long background ones :)
[10:25] <Anton2> citrus_: There's no downside either, if you don't need binary stuff unavailable for amd64 (drivers, codecs, etc...)
[10:25] <Dr_Fate> LasseL, welp, its getting ready to uninstll the whole damn thing, here goes nothing
[10:25] <mrson> alguien me puede ayudar necesito uns lista de repositores
[10:26] <mrson> ?
[10:26] <raven3x7> i added a new user to my system. then created his home folder. but gnome wont start because it cant create an entry in gconf during log in.. any ideas?
[10:26] <MartenH> How often is Seveas usually around, anyone?
[10:26] <nalioth> mrson: espanol hablamos en #ubuntu-es
[10:26] <mcphail> mjr: How good is the 64 bit support for graphics drivers etc?
[10:26] <yaaar> enno_: so i popped in a gentoo livecd (it was handy), mounted the ubuntu partition, edited menu.lst, changed all the hd1's to hd0's and /dev/hdb's to /dev/hda's, ran grub, did 'root (hd0,0)' 'setup (hd0)' and 'quit' and rebooted......
[10:26] <majikstreet> enno_ if you put the ubuntu cd in  the computer and type apt-get install ncurses*     does it install?
[10:27] <darinlh> pardon but has anyone had an issue with latest firefox update failing "update-mozilla-firefox-chrome: command not found"
[10:27] <raven3x7> correction gnome-panel wont start
[10:27] <citrus_> but theres no wine  or flash plugin ... kinda sad
[10:27] <yaaar> enno_: but when i boot it drops me at a 'grub>' prompt. i can boot by typing 'configfile /boot/grub/menu.lst' ...but otherwise it won't give me my menu
[10:27] <mjr> mcphail, basically good, however, the free DRI 3D drivers don't yet accelerate 32-bit software run on a 64-bit kernel. Don't know about the proprietary offerings.
[10:27] <nJess> hey majikstreet the ndiswrapper was not found
[10:27] <Anton2> mcphail: for proprietary ATI, same as i386
[10:28] <enno_> majikstreet:no
[10:28] <majikstreet> nJess hmm... are your sources setup to go to the cd
[10:28] <majikstreet> enno_ not sure then
[10:28] <mcphail> Anton2: i.e. same driver, or different driver with same performance?
[10:28] <nJess> they shouldn't be
[10:28] <nubbe> tritium, since a full re-install wouldn't kill me, I think I'll brave it anyhow  :)  and again, the genius about the guide is simply the list of stuff u commonly want to do.
[10:28] <raven3x7> noone? hmm
[10:29] <Anton2> mcphail: amd64 version of the same driver.
[10:29] <tritium> nubbe, but it's incorrect
[10:29] <mrson> necesito ayuda
[10:29] <majikstreet> phanter i'm not really familar with gnome but look around in the settings, there should be a clock setting-- in the control center maybe
[10:29] <darinlh> oops sorry just noticed topic "firefox broken" :)
[10:29] <tritium> mrson, #ubuntu-es por favor
[10:29] <mrson> no c ntrar alli
[10:29] <enno_> yaaar: grub can read filesystems at boot time. check if menu.lst exists on the choosen partition?
[10:29] <mcphail> Anton2: thanks. Any knowledge about nVidia (I'm looking for a new system and checking out options)?
[10:30] <majikstreet> quit got to go
[10:30] <yaaar> enno_: obviously it does exist, else it wouldn't boot with 'configfile /boot/grub/menu.lst' no?
[10:30] <Anton2> mcphail: no ;)
[10:30] <nubbe> tritium, ok, do u have some examples somewhere? that would be more powerful than saying #we prefer"  :)
[10:30] <mrson> ya stoy en ubuntu-es
[10:30] <atzucac> hello
[10:30] <mcphail> Anton2: mjr: thanks again
[10:30] <Dr_Fate> better install xfce4 before gnome dies
[10:30] <tritium> nubbe, yes, installing java for one makes no reference to using java-package
[10:30] <Dr_Fate> dependency hell still sucks
[10:31] <tritium> Dr_Fate, not using apt-get?
[10:31] <ColonelKernel> I tried turning off ipv6, I even disabled ipv6 in the kernel, and dns is still roaring slow in ubuntu - is there any fix for this yet?
[10:31] <nubbe> tritium, ok
[10:31] <nubbe> thank u
[10:31] <citrus_> would it be correct for me to say:  the most part about  having 64bit ubuntu  is just to say that you do.   and theres no *visable* difference in speed.   and you have to take a hit for programs like wine and a 64 bit flash plugin and other pkgs.  ??
[10:31] <enno_> yaaar: if you did setup and root at prompt it boots?
[10:32] <nJess> hey
[10:32] <yaaar> enno_: er....i did root and setup from within 'grub' from the booted livecd. then after rebooting it drops me at the grub prompt and i typed configfile /boot/grub/menu.lst to boot
[10:32] <nJess> how do you add apt-get sources?
[10:32] <Dr_Fate> tritium, not well versed in apt-get, I think thats how I broke it lastnight, force installing no depends etc
[10:32] <shekhar> can someone help me... i am having a problem with unresolvable dependencies installing packages in apt/synaptic for qgis...
[10:32] <tritium> Dr_Fate, dpkg by itself doesn't handle dependencies, but apt does.
[10:33] <yaaar> enno_: hmm...that's odd. did those commands again from the prompt it gave at boot, then did reboot, now it seems to work
[10:33] <yaaar> enno_: wonder why that is
[10:33] <enno_> yaaar: try setup / root again at the prompt
[10:34] <yaaar> (see above)
[10:34] <yaaar> thanks
[10:34] <citrus_> Anton2: mjr:      would it be correct for me to say:  the most part about  having 64bit ubuntu  is just to say that you do.   and theres no *visable* difference in speed.   and you have to take a hit for programs like wine and a 64 bit flash plugin and other pkgs.  ??
[10:34] <Dr_Fate> tritium, I wa sjust think, if I remove FF and try to reinstall ubuntu-desktop and gnome, it will pull in FF again, it will work, but it will still be the broken one...I guess i don't care so long as it starts like it used too. Or should I just wait til it gets ficed?
[10:34] <enno_> yaaar: i had same problem some time ago. if it works everything is okay :)
[10:34] <yaaar> cool
[10:34] <djp> anyone know how i get a pund symbol using Open Office?
[10:34] <yaaar> djp: shift+3
[10:34] <djp> pound () symbol!
[10:35] <yaaar> hehehehe
[10:35] <djp> yaar: thanks
[10:35] <tim_> Strange thing happened to me a few weeks ago, not sure how to resolve (or what I did to cause it, if anything). On logging in, I get a pop-up message (this is Ubuntu 5.0.4, if it matters) that said something to the effect of "[$myhostname] 's address could not be found, so some things won't work properly. Log in anyway? Adding the address to /etc/hosts might solve the problem."
[10:35] <tritium> Dr_Fate, I guess that depends on your needs, and how critical they are
[10:35] <Dr_Melectaus> you know the msblast virus, does anyone remember the name of the program that gets rid of it
[10:35] <Dr_Melectaus> sorry im asking in here
[10:35] <Dr_Melectaus> its a windows issue
[10:35] <LasseL> i'd like to advertise a little for a #ubuntu-dk channel for danes
[10:35] <tim_> I logged in anyhow (and have been doing so since then, though I am right now on the dreaded Windows), and most things work fine, BUT ...
[10:35] <djp> yaar: oh sorry, no i do that and all that appears is a light grey box
[10:35] <Dr_Melectaus> but its the machine that bridges the connection to my laptop which runs ubuntu
[10:35] <mrson> alguien me puede ayudar?
[10:35] <tritium> mrson, #ubuntu-es por favor
[10:36] <mrson> tritium como ntro a ubuntu-es?
[10:36] <tim_> I can't do anything that requires root access; I can't sudo either -- says it authentication failure.
[10:36] <LasseL> this channel is getting too huge
[10:36] <enno_> someone knows how can i get libncurses5-dev?
[10:36] <tritium> mrson, /join #ubuntu-es
[10:36] <tim_> I have not played with the password at all, so I wonder what happened ...
[10:36] <shekhar> can someone help me... i am having a problem with unresolvable dependencies installing packages in apt/synaptic for qgis... ubuntu 5.0.4
[10:36] <nubbe> tritium, why do u need java-package to use jre, it isn't crystal clear when reading about it in synaptic? I'll stop bitching real soon  :)
[10:36] <citrus_> well i think i am going back to my 32 ubuntu
[10:36] <mjr> citrus_, visible can mean many things. Do I notice if a long computation takes (say) 10% less time? No, unless I look at the clock :)
[10:36] <tritium> tim_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:37] <mjr> I'm still happy that it's faster, though
[10:37] <tim_> tritium: thanks, will read now.
[10:37] <mrson> tritium, explicame q hago, soy novato primera vez q uso sto
[10:37] <mjr> anyway, do whatever you like
[10:38] <enno_> all: found it sorry for the noise
[10:39] <Dr_Melectaus> you know the msblast virus, does anyone remember the name of the program that gets rid of it
[10:39] <tritium> nubbe, it's the preferred way to install a jre, so that you have a .deb under package management
[10:39] <mrson> alguien me puede explicar los repositores
[10:40] <mcphail> mjr: any problems with java etc on 64 bit version?
[10:40] <chaps0063> Dr_Melectaus: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blaster.worm.html
[10:40] <mjr> I mostly use free java, no problems with that
[10:40] <Belutz> tritium: i'm back hehehe...sleepy now... :(
[10:40] <mats> !dvd
[10:41] <ubotu> rumour has it, dvd is There are many good free players for linux. Totem is installed in Ubuntu by default add totem-xine and voila! - Mplayer, XINE, VLC (Cross platform) are also very good. gstreamer-totem
[10:41] <tritium> hi Belutz
[10:41] <mcphail> mjr: i admire your dedication to open source!
[10:41] <Dr_Melectaus> chaps0063, thanks mate
[10:41] <mjr> I'm not that dedicated; I said "mostly" ;)
[10:41] <Belutz> tritium: how do i make my Xchat automatically connecting to freenode.net and automatically join #ubuntu?
[10:41] <nubbe> tritium, I figured something like that when reading the wiki, but that is if u don't want to use backports right? It all comes back to that, then?
[10:41] <tritium> Belutz, go to the server list
[10:42] <x_o1> Anyone here using iPodder for linux?  I cannot get it to work:  "ImportError: No module named players"
[10:42] <tritium> Belutz, open up the ubuntu servers with edit
[10:42] <tritium> and then configure it to auto-connect
[10:42] <Dr_Melectaus> Belutz, when you open it bavigate to freenode on the list, exspand the options and fill out what channels you want it to join when it connects, then tick join on startup
[10:42] <din> Belutz, make some text files with the commands you want in them, then in the server list add the startup command /load -e /path/to/your/file/here
[10:42] <Dr_Melectaus> navigate**
[10:42] <LasseL> x_ol, you need to chmod 644 some file, RTFM
[10:42] <tritium> nubbe, this is only one example.  There are several others.
[10:42] <Dr_Melectaus> expand**
[10:43] <mats> fuck, how do i get my totem og xine to play dvd? is there any libs i need? i have gstreamer-libs
[10:43] <x_o1> LasseL: Which manual?  I read the INSTALL file.
[10:43] <Marupa> I, um, can someone show me how to install ubuntu, if I don't have a CD burner at my disposal?  I've got a 256MB keydrive, but that's it.
[10:43] <Belutz> hmmm wait... i'm confuse LOL
[10:44] <Marupa> (brb, but IM or highlight me, anyway)
[10:44] <benplaut> somebody explain Netinstall to Marupa
[10:44] <Belutz> tritium, Dr_Melectaus, din : ok, i got it... thx :D
[10:44] <tritium> :)
[10:44] <xliu> does anyone know what is mdf file?
[10:45] <bur[n] er> anyone have a more recent .deb of rhythmbox than in breezy or hoary?
[10:45] <Dr_Melectaus> np Belutz
[10:45] <shekhar> help
[10:45] <bur[n] er> xliu: google?
[10:45] <xliu> ok
[10:45] <Belutz> btw, i'm applying to be an IT lecturer, i wish they hire me :D
[10:46] <LasseL> x_ol, well it isn't excactly obvious if you don't google it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPodder
[10:46] <nubbe> tritium, ok, we'll just have to disagree then, thanks for taking the time tho, I appreciate it
[10:46] <bur[n] er> thechitowncubs: I'm kind of thinking we'll have to build it ourselves if we want ti ;)
[10:47] <thechitowncubs> Ya, I'm not very good at that :/
[10:47] <thechitowncubs> do you know where do get the source?
[10:47] <LasseL> x_o1, hint me with some good podcasts when you get that far :P
[10:47] <Marupa> anyone?
[10:47] <x_o1> LasseL: You were right, "sudo chmod 644 /opt/iPodder/ipodder/players.py" was the ticket
[10:47] <tritium> nubbe, it's not just me you're in disagreement with
[10:47] <Strife[lab] > Marupa: you need a CD
[10:48] <Marupa> I don't have access to a CD burner.  it's on the downed linux computer.
[10:48] <LasseL> x_o1, that error message just gave it away :/
[10:48] <bur[n] er> thechitowncubs: http://www.gnome.org/projects/rhythmbox/development.html
[10:48] <qt2> crap, i deleted the default ubuntu gnome panel, is there a way to recover it...?
[10:48] <Marupa> but, I do have a gentoo livecd....
[10:48] <Strife[lab] > Marupa: I'm pretty sure there's no ubuntu version that can be run on anything less than a CD... there are however plenty of other distrubutions that you can boot from a pen drive, floppy drive, etc.
[10:49] <DaSkreech> What should I do if Synaptic stops upgrading anything?
[10:49] <LasseL> qt2, install "ubuntu-desktop" ?
[10:49] <othernoob> hey where can i find a list of supported hardware?
[10:49] <xliu> how to open a mdf file in Ubuntu ?
[10:49] <Marupa> I just want some form of graphical linux on my system,.
[10:49] <Strife[lab] > bur[n] er: well, you could remove all of your gnome settings
[10:49] <bur[n] er> Strife[lab] : ?
[10:49] <chaps0063> xliu: what is it?
[10:49] <Strife[lab] > Marupa: http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php
[10:49] <Marupa> and pen drive is the only thing I can use.
[10:50] <nubbe> tritium, I know, and if I ran a company or other important stuff, I would prolly not use backports but I don't
[10:50] <Marupa> Strife[lab] :  I only have a 256MB pendrive.
[10:50] <Strife[lab] > bur[n] er: if you mean that accidentally right clicked on the panel and selected "delete this panel...", then you can simply remove all your gnome settings, and it should reappear.... but then all your other settings should be gone
[10:50] <LasseL> Marupa, what is wrong with your linux install again?
[10:50] <Strife[lab] > Marupa: note that many of those can fit on something smaller
[10:50] <tritium> nubbe, the issue isn't backports, really.  It's the lack of explanatory guidance for new users, misinformation, and bad or incorrect advice.
[10:51] <Strife[lab] > Marupa: e.g., Damn Small Linux
[10:51] <Marupa> ....OK, let me reexplain again.
[10:51] <citrus_> yeah i noticed no speed difference in ubuntu 64
[10:51] <tim_> Marupa: are you in the U.S.?
[10:51] <Strife[lab] > Marupa: it's possible to boot from usb drives, you know...  I dont' know how to do it, exactly, but it IS possible
[10:52] <qt2> LasseL, that doesnt seem to work... o.O;
[10:52] <Crafty-Catcher> Hi does anyone here has a lot of patience ;) to help me with setting up my raid lvl 1 on two 10 GB HDDs hda1 == system; hdb1 should be the mirror - it still doesn't want to work after i read all google search results, but aditionaly i have to say that i am not that experience in handling linux
[10:52] <signius> does anyone here use any snmp tools ?
[10:52] <Marupa> I tried to install gentoo, but it hated my computer, and I hated it.  My computer has a DVD burner on it, but I can't use it because it is down.  I only have a 256MB usb keydrive, but I also have a gentoo livecd, which can get on the net.  I want ubuntu on my system, however.
[10:52] <citrus_> i used gentoo for 2 years
[10:52] <Strife[lab] > Marupa: what does "it is down" mean?
[10:52] <qt2> I deleted the default ubuntu gnome panel, is there a way to recover it...?
[10:52] <citrus_> bitch to install
[10:52] <Strife[lab] > does that mean you can't even boot your computer?
[10:52] <shekhar> HELP
[10:53] <bur[n] er> thechitowncubs: a newer version is in breezy, but it has libc6 dependencies which make it hard to use with hoary
[10:53] <Marupa> down, meaning I can't get to the burner, but the computer works.
[10:53] <citrus_> pkg managment rox but debian is better unless you want to compile everything from source
[10:53] <citrus_> took me 3 days to have kde and everything workin
[10:53] <Strife[lab] > Marupa: well pssht, that's just a matter of configuring everything correctly
[10:53] <Strife[lab] > Marupa: man cdrecord might help
[10:53] <shekhar> can anyone help me with installing packages in apt which seem to have dependencies on stuff not in the repositories.. namely qgis
[10:53] <Marupa> ...
[10:54] <jasoncohen> qt2, right click on any panel you have and choose new panel
[10:54] <jasoncohen> qt2, then right click on the new panel and choose add to panel
[10:54] <LasseL> Marupa, maybe you can download the ubuntu cd to a harddrive and mount it from the livecd
[10:54] <signius> qgis is in the respositries i just done an apt-cache for it
[10:54] <LasseL> Marupa, with luck you can maybe even burn it from the livecd
[10:54] <signius> and so is qgis-dev
[10:54] <jasoncohen> shekhar, what packages? all packages in the repositories should have their dependencies satisifed. what package are you having problems with?
[10:54] <nubbe> tritium, I understand what u mean, but I think ur using too strong language. I fail to see that "sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5" is "the wrong way" to do things.
[10:55] <blueyed> Does anyone have experience with Ubuntu on a Samsung Q30?
[10:55] <Marupa> I don't know what I'm doing, is the biggest problem...
[10:55] <qt2> jasoncohen, that just give me a blank panel, i'm looking for a quick way to resote the default ubuntu panel...
[10:55] <shekhar> signius: i can't install it, libgdal and libgeos are asking for versions not in repositories
[10:55] <shekhar> qgis depends libgdal1 (> = 1.2.6 ) but 1.2.5-1ubuntu1 is to be installed
[10:55] <citrus_> Question:  i install vmware 5  how do i UN install it?
[10:56] <jasoncohen> qt2, i don't know if there is a way, but it's not hard to do yourself
[10:56] <citrus_> it wasn't thru apt-get or any debain program to install it
[10:56] <tritium> nubbe, as I said before, that is only _one_ of _several_ examples.
[10:56] <signius> what srouces do you have specified in apt sources ?
[10:56] <LasseL> qt2, i assumes you tried apt-get install gnome-panel ?
[10:56] <nubbe> tritium, yes, I'm sure, but was that a valid example?
[10:56] <shekhar> also depends libqt3c102-mt (>=3:3.3.4) but 3:3.3.3.3-7ubuntu3 is to be installed
[10:56] <jasoncohen> qt2, first add a menu bar, and then application launchers and then you can add a clock, volume control, network & power monitors on the right side
[10:57] <tritium> nubbe, the java example is a valid example of ubuntuguide's deficiencies, if that's what you're asking
[10:57] <jasoncohen> shekhar, are you using marillat?
[10:57] <shekhar> jasoncohen: no, synaptic
[10:57] <shekhar> what's marillat?
[10:57] <Crafty-Catcher> Hi does anyone here has a lot of patience ;) to help me with setting up my raid lvl 1 on two 10 GB HDDs hda1 == system; hdb1 should be the mirror - it still doesn't want to work after i read all google search results
[10:57] <thespiritoftal> I want to reach my windows files from ubuntu when I do "mount /dev/hda3 /mnt/windows the computer gets stuck... any advices?
[10:57] <shekhar> signius: i have the regular hoary repositories and the debian unstable turned on
[10:57] <jasoncohen> shekhar, marillat is a apt source that's for debian. it causes a lot of problems
[10:57] <jasoncohen> shekhar, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in pastebin
[10:58] <bur[n] er> thespiritoftal: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda3 /mnt/windows
[10:58] <Marupa> Can anyonen help me?  I wouldn't know how to begin....>.<
[10:58] <nubbe> tritium, given that I want to brave backports?
[10:58] <spudse> Hi, will ubuntu run fine on a P3 650mhz with 256mb ?
[10:58] <bur[n] er> thespiritoftal: or -t vfat for FAT32 fs
[10:58] <tritium> nubbe, if you want to continue this, we should move it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:58] <Crafty-Catcher> spudse is running fine on my celeron 400Mhz with 196 MB
[10:58] <tritium> (even though I'm tired of discussing it)
[10:59] <signius> acording to synaptic qgis is version 0.6.0-1 on my system
[10:59] <Marupa> can someone guide me step by step?
[10:59] <jasoncohen> thespiritoftal, mount -t ntfs /dev/hda3 /mnt/windows
[10:59] <spudse> Crafty thats good thanks, any other insights on this ?
[10:59] <mats> Can anyone tell me why i cant play dvd with totem-xine? I simply wont!
[10:59] <mats> is there anything i need to play dvds?
[11:00] <bur[n] er> mats: libdvdcss
[11:00] <din> mats, libdvdread
[11:00] <jasoncohen> mats, did you install libdvdcss2 from hoary-extras? you need it for decryption
[11:00] <Dr_Melectaus> For some reason, my laptop isnt detecting dvd data discs ( it detects DVD movies, but doesnt play them), it isnt mounting any form of dvd apart from dvd movies
[11:00] <bur[n] er> mats: ubuntuguide.org
[11:00] <jasoncohen> !multimedia
[11:00] <ubotu> hmm... multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[11:00] <jasoncohen> mats, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[11:00] <nubbe> tritium, yeah, no need tho, thanks again for ur time
[11:00] <nnacht> anyone knows why can I not use the serverlist in aMule?
[11:00] <Dr_Melectaus> is this a common problem?
[11:00] <flam> my pc card (netgear wg511t) hangs my system. ("ath0: hardware error; reseting" is repeating over and over again). i suspect it has to do with an irq conflict. been "googleing" for two days now. any ideas?
[11:00] <tritium> nubbe, take care
[11:00] <Belutz> i want to have a quick pool, who use gnome and who use KDE ?
[11:00] <mats> thanks :) ill try that ;)
[11:00] <typo> Belutz: gnome
[11:00] <linukso> gnome
[11:00] <nubbe> gnome
[11:01] <jasoncohen> thespiritoftal, sudo echo "/dev/hda3   /mnt/windows  ntfs  defaults   0  0" >> /etc/fstab
[11:01] <din> xfce & fvwm... aack, gnome
[11:01] <jasoncohen> thespiritoftal, type that in a terminal and then your ntfs partition will mount on boot
[11:01] <jasoncohen> thespiritoftal, do sudo mount -a to mount it now
[11:01] <Dr_Melectaus> please? someone?
[11:01] <mdipi> hey all, i edited my boot file so that OS X was the defualt, now i dont even get the yaboot selection screen
[11:01] <Belutz> 4 gnome 0 KDE
[11:01] <mdipi> anyone think they can help?
[11:01] <nubbe> kde is prolly in #kubuntu mostly, but what do I know?  :)
[11:01] <Marupa> Can anyone teach me step by step how to install ubuntu?  o.o;
[11:02] <Dr_Melectaus> marupa, installing is a doddle
[11:02] <Dr_Melectaus> slap in the disc, choose the relavent options such as language and timezone
[11:02] <mats> i dont have libdvdcss2 in my apt-tree :O is that normal? :p
[11:02] <thespiritoftal>        missing codepage or other error
[11:02] <thespiritoftal>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[11:02] <thespiritoftal>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[11:02] <thespiritoftal>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[11:02] <Belutz> then, i made up my mind to unisntall the kubuntu-desktop hhehehehe
[11:02] <thespiritoftal>        dmesg | tail  or so
[11:02] <Dr_Melectaus> it does it all for you
[11:02] <bur[n] er> mats: read that page :P
[11:02] <thespiritoftal> oops I wrongly pasted it here
[11:02] <thespiritoftal> sry
[11:02] <bur[n] er> mats: that wiki one
[11:02] <mats> bur[n] er: okey :)
[11:02] <Marupa> Dr_Melectaus, I don't have a cd burner, only a USB Keydrive.
[11:02] <mats> bur[n] er: ok, ill try that
[11:03] <Dr_Melectaus> hmmm.
[11:03] <jasoncohen> mats, read  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[11:03] <Dr_Melectaus> uhm, Marupa how big is the usb stick?
[11:03] <Marupa> 256MB
[11:03] <jasoncohen> mats- read below >>
[11:03] <jasoncohen> !multimedia repositories
[11:03] <ubotu> I heard multimedia repositories is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingMultimediaRepositories
[11:03] <cobrayx> hi
[11:03] <thechitowncubs> or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultimediaApplications
[11:03] <Dr_Melectaus> i doubt that would be enough to even do a basic install Marupa
[11:03] <Belutz> how do i really have a clean uninstall of kubuntu desktop? apt=get remove --purge kubuntu-desktop ?
[11:03] <Belutz> *apt-get
[11:03] <Marupa> exactly, that's my problem.  >.<
[11:03] <mats> jasoncohen: im on it :)
[11:04] <thechitowncubs> MultimediaApplications is a newer version mats
[11:04] <mats> thanks :)
[11:04] <Dr_Melectaus> best thing to do is to Marupa is to find a freind or relative and ask if they can burn it
[11:04] <Marupa> I /do/ have a cd burner, but it's on my computer that has a non working OS on it.
[11:04] <Dr_Melectaus> or Marupa if you stay in the uk, i have 10 copys on disc, id be more than happy to send you one
[11:05] <Marupa> I'm in US, sorry.
[11:05] <Dr_Melectaus> hmmk
[11:05] <Marupa> Now you see my predicament?
[11:05] <nubbe> Belutz, I had to remove a few kde-packages because that was just a dummy ppackage
[11:05] <Mobus> how can I assume root while I'm in the file browser?
[11:05] <Dr_Melectaus> Well, have you got any other OS's lying around at present?
[11:05] <Belutz> nubbe: ic... ok
[11:05] <Marupa> winXP and win98, but I do /NOT/ want to screw with those.  >.<
[11:05] <Dr_Melectaus> perhaps you could just slap something on just for the sake of burning it off
[11:06] <Dr_Melectaus> or put the cd drive on your working machine??
[11:06] <xet7> How do I start proftpd?
[11:06] <Dr_Melectaus> lol
[11:06] <Marupa> my working machine is a laptop.  >.>
[11:06] <Dr_Melectaus> id slap XP on just for the purpose of burning it to disc
[11:06] <Dr_Melectaus> hmmmm
[11:06] <Marupa> ugh.  then I'd have to repartition stuff again.
[11:07] <xet7> I got it installed, but it didn't work with /etc/init.d/proftpd start
[11:07] <Mobus> is there I can delete all the files in a folder at once?
[11:07] <Mobus> erm
[11:07] <Mobus> ..
[11:07] <Dr_Melectaus> marupa, i sympathise with your situation, i have a pc and a laptop and as ubuntu doesnt like my crappy usb modem, i have to constantly have a cat5 hanging out of my laptop
[11:07] <MartenH> How often is Seveas usually around, anyone?
[11:07] <Marupa> ..I do have mandrake cds, but, last time I tried that, it wouldn't even boot on them.
[11:07] <nubbe> Belutz, check if kdebase-data and kdebase-bin are gone
[11:07] <Mobus> I need to delete a folder, but it has like 135 files in it
[11:07] <Mobus> and when I try rmdir it say's folder is not empty
[11:07] <Dr_Melectaus> Marupa, why not just order some discs, they ship for free
[11:07] <Mobus> and I can;'t delete all 135 one by one
[11:07] <Dr_Melectaus> but i think they only get shipped out every month or so
[11:08] <Marupa> exactly
[11:08] <Marupa> I need this thing up today, if I can.
[11:08] <Dr_Melectaus> Lol, why so badly? if i may ask
[11:08] <Marupa> it's my server.
[11:08] <sorush20> guys how do I get back foomatic
[11:09] <nalioth> Mobus: are you familiar with the terminal?
[11:09] <Dr_Melectaus> hmm. well, do you have another machine thats running?
[11:09] <Marupa> I...do have a knoppix CD, as well..
[11:09] <Mobus> nalioth: yes
[11:09] <Marupa> besides this/>  no.
[11:09] <Mobus> that's where I've been trying to delete it from
[11:09] <Marupa> */>=?
[11:09] <Dr_Melectaus> try and get some cat5, its cheap.... oh you dont
[11:09] <nalioth> Mobus: then "man rm" may enlighten you on your folder removal
[11:09] <Dr_Melectaus> lol
[11:09] <amd3> hello, where is ndiswrapper installed in a default install of ubuntu 5.04
[11:09] <Mobus> thnaks
[11:09] <IcemanV9> Marupa: if you can, use knoppix CD to burn some stuff to CD
[11:09] <Mobus> now
[11:09] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:09] <Mobus> how do I do that if the folder is in the trash?
[11:09] <IcemanV9> or USB key
[11:10] <Marupa> and I'm on DSL right now, using a network, so...yeah.  >>;  and how do I burn stuff to CD, if it won't let me eject the CD?
[11:10] <nubbe> Mobus, rm -f *      should fix current dir
[11:10] <nalioth> Mobus: you cd .Trash
[11:10] <Mobus> ok
[11:10] <Mobus> thx
[11:10] <paulproteus> amd3: By default, it's not installed at all.
[11:10] <paulproteus> Did you install it yourself?
[11:10] <Marupa> and, how would I use the USB key to install?
[11:10] <Mobus> bash: cd: .trash: No such file or directory
[11:10] <nubbe> Mobus, just don't do in the wrong location  hehe
[11:10] <IcemanV9> Marupa: SLAX will do the trick then, but again, you don't have Slax, right?
[11:10] <Marupa> exactly
[11:10] <Mobus> I was in /home/mobus
[11:10] <Marupa> I'm screwed.  >.<
[11:10] <Dr_Melectaus> marupa: eject /dev/cdrom
[11:10] <amd3> paulproteus, it is installed because without me installing it, I did "modprobe ndiswrapper" and it comes up in lsmod
[11:11] <Marupa> in knoppix?
[11:11] <Dr_Melectaus> oh shit your not useing ubuntu
[11:11] <IcemanV9> Marupa: you're in tough situation :/
[11:11] <Dr_Melectaus> Well, try it
[11:11] <Crafty-Catcher> Can anyone help me setting up a Raid1 on two HDDs hda1 = system; hdb1 should be mirror
[11:11] <amd3> paulproteus, to answer the question, I didn't install it
[11:11] <Marupa> eject, command not found.
[11:11] <IcemanV9> Marupa: don't recall if knoppix do eject CD, then burn blank CD
[11:11] <nubbe> Mobus, U have to be in the right dir before u do that
[11:11] <nalioth> Mobus: linux is case sensitive, try 'cd .Trash
[11:11] <Mobus> and the right dir is where?
[11:12] <Mobus> ok
[11:12] <Dr_Melectaus> Marupa, i think if you where to take the disc out, it would still run. But you would be limited, you wouldnt be able to do anything
[11:12] <confrey> why my totem player is not working fine? I can't see dvd menus and it go slowly while playing a wmv
[11:12] <Marupa> is there a way to net install from my gentoo livecd?
[11:12] <Mobus> thank you so much
[11:12] <darinlh> Marupa, boot knoppix with toram option (needs 1 gig ram) or use dsl (damn small linux)
[11:12] <HollowFrank> there's one thing i've learnt over the last few days, ubuntu doesn't want me using my dial up modem so i have to stick to using my macs for now, at least i'm windows free. any ideas why it'd all be installed but can't enable the ppp0 connection?
[11:12] <IcemanV9> no idea about gentoo livecd; dunno what they have on it
[11:12] <nubbe> Mobus, empty folder in Nautilus?
[11:13] <Marupa> ....I don't have a usable CD rom!  >.<
[11:13] <mdipi> Is there anyway i can see my partition table in Terminal? I need a drive number to mount it in OS X
[11:13] <Marupa> I can use it to read cds, but not write currently.
[11:13] <nJess> how do i install .deb packages
[11:13] <nJess> ?
[11:13] <Marupa> what would I need, IcemanV9?
[11:13] <IceDC571> nJess: sudo dpkg -i
[11:13] <Drifter2> guys
[11:13] <IceDC571> nJess: sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb
[11:13] <Drifter2> whats a good burner for ISO files? nero doesnt work too well
[11:14] <Drifter2> (im on windows XP)
[11:14] <IceDC571> Drifter: burnatonce
[11:14] <darinlh> Marupa, use dsl on a 256 meg usb
[11:14] <Mobus> nubbe: what's nautilus? is that the filesystem GUI?
[11:14] <LinuxMoron> how do i set epiphany as my default browser?
[11:14] <CarlFK> growisofs
[11:14] <nalioth> HollowFrank: your macs will share the network connections they have with your windows boxen
[11:14] <IcemanV9> Marupa: did you try darinlh's suggestion? boot knoppix with toram option
[11:14] <Marupa> ...how?
[11:14] <nJess> crap
[11:14] <Marupa> I have 256MB ram, anyway.
[11:14] <CarlFK> what are some wifi detection apps?
[11:14] <nubbe> Mobus, sorry "Empty Trash" under the File Menu in Nautilus  (the filebrowser)
[11:14] <Drifter2> ice, i will google it. thanks
[11:14] <nalioth> Mobus: nautilus is the file mangler, yes
[11:14] <Drifter2> i assume its free?
[11:14] <nJess> i can't use ndiswrapper deb packages on a64
[11:14] <nJess> :(
[11:14] <IcemanV9> ah. shoot.
[11:14] <darinlh> Marupa, use dsl 50 megs or so
[11:14] <CarlFK> something like netstumbler for win
[11:14] <Mobus> I did that, but you forget that ig goes PMS on me because I'm not root
[11:15] <darinlh> Marupa, same toram options
[11:15] <Marupa> where, darinlh?
[11:15] <Comp_Lex> Drifter: Which version of Nero do you use?
[11:15] <IceDC571> Drifter2: yep, its nice lightweight and free
[11:15] <LinuxMoron> how do i set epiphany as my default browser?
[11:15] <nubbe> aha
[11:15] <HollowFrank> nalioth: it would be nice however to be able to plug the line into the back of my ubuntu pc and just be able to use that, blasted things computers
[11:15] <Drifter2> Comp_Lex
[11:15] <amd3> where ndiswrapper installed in ubuntu 5.04?
[11:15] <Belutz> is it ok if ubuntu-desktop is not installed?
[11:15] <Drifter2> ahead nero: nero express
[11:15] <nalioth> HollowFrank: your ubuntu pc doesnt have network?
[11:15] <Mobus> so how do I get it to empty trash?
[11:15] <funkyHat> LinuxMoron, system > preferences > preferred applications
[11:15] <IceDC571> LinuxMoron: System > Preferences > Preferred Applications
[11:15] <IceDC571> funkyHat: ack you beat me to it!
[11:15] <funkyHat> heh
[11:15] <jatos3> gi
[11:16] <jatos3> *hi
[11:16] <nalioth> Mobus: did right cliking on the trashcan not allow it?
[11:16] <darinlh> Marupa, google dsl linux, I can't use web at the moment killed firefox with a update :(
[11:16] <Mobus> yeppey
[11:16] <Mobus> not allowed
[11:16] <Marupa> ok, downloading...
[11:16] <Mobus> well
[11:16] <Mobus> it allows it
[11:16] <Mobus> but nothing gets done
[11:16] <Mobus> I click empty trash
[11:16] <Comp_Lex> Drifter: Have you tried to burn the ISO with Nero? If yes, what did you do?
[11:16] <Mobus> and it "empties" it
[11:16] <Mobus> but the files are there
[11:17] <Mobus> still
[11:17] <Drifter2> i used "burn image"
[11:17] <Marupa> dsl-1.0-syslinux.iso, darinlh?
[11:17] <HollowFrank> nalioth: i'm on a dial up, been trying to flog the 56k modem in the pc to work for weeks without any joy, the pc has network capability, i'd just rather have one computer running rather than two
[11:17] <nubbe> Mobus, cd .Trash
[11:17] <Drifter2> i did the check sum thing and the iso file is correct
[11:17] <nalioth> Mobus: how many partitions are mounted now?
[11:17] <Drifter2> it burns corrupt tho
[11:17] <Drifter2> according to tritium
[11:17] <Mobus> I'd say 2
[11:17] <nalioth> HollowFrank: i see, you may have to use your coolest running mac to help out
[11:17] <Mobus> hda1 and hdb1
[11:17] <tritium> Drifter2, you told me the installer verified that the burn was bad...
[11:18] <Marupa> I have /no/ idea what I'm doing...
[11:18] <nalioth> Mobus: then cd to the mounted directory of the other partition and look for a .Trash
[11:18] <Comp_Lex> Drifter: Thats strange... Are you using a damaged CD? Is it scratched? (oslt)
[11:18] <sorush20> yes... finally.. managed to print... don't know how.. but it worked.....
[11:18] <Crafty-Catcher> hm maybe I should rephrase my question: Does anyone have a running software Raid1 on ubuntu? (Maybe it doesn't work at all ;) )
[11:18] <Mobus> the other directory is my windows HD
[11:18] <HollowFrank> nalioth: thankfully i just got my powerbook back today, i think that trying the sharing route is tomorrows job
[11:18] <darinlh> Marupa, yes
[11:18] <Drifter2> Comp_Lex
[11:18] <amd3> hello, can you help me find ndiswrapper, I did "find / ndiswrapper" but with no results
[11:18] <jatos3> just out of interest what clients are people using to get onto IRC
[11:19] <jatos3> I am using irssi
[11:19] <Mobus> there wouldn't be a wlinux trash there nalioth
[11:19] <nalioth> HollowFrank: macs are lifesavers
[11:19] <Drifter2> i used a cd that i bougt 10 mins before the burn
[11:19] <nubbe> Mobus, Just try this first; cd .Trash
[11:19] <Mobus> I'm there
[11:19] <Drifter2> its making me angry, i dont know how to install this without something corrupting
[11:19] <nalioth> Mobus: i have my macintosh partition mounted in my ubuntu, and i have a .Trash in both partitions (from ubuntu)
[11:19] <Mobus> that's because macintosh is unix based
[11:20] <HollowFrank> nalioth: indeed they are, very tempted to build a darwin box for the joy of it
[11:20] <nubbe> Mobus, sudo rm -f *
[11:20] <mjr> Crafty-Catcher, I do
[11:20] <nalioth> HollowFrank: i'm not so enthused about their software, but there hardware is pleasing
[11:20] <mjr> Crafty-Catcher, even one box installed with it
[11:20] <Marupa> copy the iso itself onto the keydrive, or the contents of the iso?
[11:20] <Comp_Lex> Drifter: There could be something wrong with Nero.
[11:21] <Mobus> nubbe: rm: cannot remove `glib-1.2.10': Is a directory
[11:21] <Comp_Lex> Drifter: Maybe it is better to use other software to burn the ISO.
[11:21] <IceDC571> Drifter2: have you tried burnatonce yet?
[11:21] <Drifter2> im trying burnatonce
[11:21] <morgul_> hello
[11:21] <HollowFrank> nalioth: OS X is probably one of the friendliest and easiest to use OS's i've worked with, anyway, time to charge up the laptop and dig out the networking cables ready for tomorrow
[11:21] <Crafty-Catcher> did you test it mjr? did you disable 1 HDD and the system still worked?
[11:22] <nubbe> Mobus, u can use rm -rf *    but make real sure u are in .Trash
[11:22] <HollowFrank> 'ning all
[11:22] <Mobus> I am in .Trash
[11:22] <amd3> where is ndiswrapper installed in ubuntu 5.04
[11:22] <nalioth> HollowFrank: good luck
[11:22] <nalioth> Mobus: so you've found it, now you can manipulate it
[11:22] <nubbe> try it then
[11:22] <nubbe> sudo first of course
[11:23] <darinlh> anyone know any work arounds for firefox being fubar?
[11:23] <Mobus> I've BEEN in .Trash
[11:23] <IceDC571> darinlh: have you tried purging the package and reinstalling it?
[11:23] <Marupa> I don't know what I'm doing.  do I need the boot-0.8.0.img file?
[11:23] <IcemanV9> Marupa: i have no idea bout usb key stuff; i don't have one to play with. :/
[11:23] <Mobus> but not your fantasy .Trash that would somehow be in a read only NTFS partition
[11:23] <tritium> darinlh, try not using any extensions
[11:23] <Mobus> and nubbe, thanks, it worked
[11:23] <sorush20> amd3, its on the CD..
[11:23] <darinlh> IceDC571, yes, but package will not reinstall
[11:23] <IcemanV9> darinlh: can you help Marupa with USB and DSL?
[11:24] <IceDC571> darinlh: what did you use to erase the package?
[11:24] <darinlh> IceDC571, sure
[11:24] <nubbe> Mobus, great
[11:24] <darinlh> IceDC571, apt-get remove purge
[11:24] <amd3> sorush20, i know. I have it installed and running on modprobe ndiswrapper. But I want to install a new driver. And I can't find ndiswrapper to do that
[11:24] <darinlh> IceDC571, after grabbing my bookmarks :)
[11:24] <nalioth> darinlh: use the one from ubuntu repos (it works fine)
[11:25] <IceDC571> darinlh: have you tried aptitude install firefox?
[11:25] <sorush20> amd3, do you want to install a new driver with ndiswrapper or do you want to install the new version on ndiswrapper...
[11:25] <morgul_> can anyone help to get audigy working back since I changed its slot?
[11:25] <useruser> when I boot, the /dev/cdrom link isn't created. why's that?
[11:25] <amd3> a new driver
[11:25] <useruser> i'm running 2.6.8.1-3-386
[11:26] <sorush20> amd3, just type... ndiswrapper -i <name.inf>
[11:26] <sorush20> amd3, does that help
[11:26] <darinlh> nalioth, IceDC571 current pakage is broke, you happen to know apt commands to go back to old package? and pin it?
[11:26] <thespiritoftal> friends are there any python programmes that work in ubuntu to which I can write some scripts and execute them to test ?
[11:26] <amd3> you see, that doesn't do anything because "ndiswrapper: command not found" comes up
[11:26] <La_PaRCa> useruser, there is no such /dev/cdrom in ubuntu
[11:27] <sorush20> amd3, okay well go to synaptic.... and remove the ndiswrapper-utils
[11:27] <amd3> it's already not installed
[11:27] <useruser> La_PaRCa: really? what's the right thing to point cd-using applications to, then?
[11:27] <darinlh> Marupa, ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/dsl-1.3.1.iso
[11:27] <Marupa> I already downloaded...
[11:27] <darinlh> Marble2, ok
[11:27] <sorush20> amd3, then go to http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-1.2.tar.gz?download, and download the package..
[11:28] <nubbe> useruser, I got stuff in /media
[11:28] <Comp_Lex> La_PaRCa: it does exist... useruser: You have to look in /media
[11:28] <amd3> sorush20, I already have ndiswrapper installed. I just don't know where!
[11:28] <useruser> nubbe: not with audio cds, I'll wager
[11:28] <IceDC571> darinlh: try aptitude -f
[11:28] <darinlh> Marupa, now what do you have to work with ie usb key, cd etc?
[11:28] <sorush20> amd3, you don't need to find it.. type ndiswrapper
[11:28] <nubbe> useruser, don't know if I don't try :)
[11:28] <nalioth> darinlh: remove and purge mozilla-firefox, then comment out your backports lines in your sources.list
[11:28] <amd3> sorush20, the module "ndiswrapper" is loaded and I can see it in lsmod
[11:28] <sorush20> amd3, what happens..
[11:28] <Marupa> usb keydrive.
[11:28] <Marupa> 256MB one.'
[11:29] <amd3> -su: ndiswrapper: command not found
[11:29] <useruser> nubbe: /media is used for mounted things - audio cds aren't mounted
[11:29] <nalioth> darinlh: then update your apt, and then install mozilla firefox (it will be ubuntu1.0.2)
[11:29] <La_PaRCa> Comp_Lex, /media/cdrom is _not_ /dev/cdrom
[11:29] <sorush20> amd3, well what is the problem..
[11:29] <useruser> so really no-one has /dev/cdrom? that's really strange to me
[11:29] <sorush20> amd3, you don't -su,
[11:29] <amd3> i cannot find where ndiswrapper is installed.
[11:29] <sorush20> amd3, you should do sudo,
[11:29] <La_PaRCa> useruser, did you look under /media/cdrom?
[11:29] <useruser> La_PaRCa: yes, /media is empty
[11:29] <Dr_Fate> so how do I tell the system to dpkg -P everything firefox?
[11:29] <amd3> i'm logged in as root and trying to execute "ndiswrapper"
[11:30] <Dr_Fate> without touching dependecies?
[11:30] <useruser> La_PaRCa: and besides, it is an audio cdrom i want to use. grip complains about not being able to initialise /dev/cdrom when it starts up
[11:30] <sorush20> amd3, type ndiswrapper
[11:30] <amd3> bash: ndiswrapper: command not found
[11:30] <La_PaRCa> useruser, oh... ok... audio cds are not mounted
[11:30] <useruser> La_PaRCa: of course I could change the cdrom device for every audio app that I use, but that's highly inelegant...
[11:30] <sorush20> amd3, what do you get?
[11:30] <sorush20> well if its not found its not installed...
[11:30] <La_PaRCa> useruser, try /dev/hdc
[11:30] <useruser> La_PaRCa: so ls /dev/cdrom gives you an error?
[11:31] <La_PaRCa> useruser, yeah, theres no /dev/cdrom
[11:31] <useruser> La_PaRCa: i know what device to use (/dev/hdd as it happens). but it's a bit crap that the symlink isn't created for me
[11:31] <amd3> Module                  Size  Used by
[11:31] <amd3> ndiswrapper           109044  0
[11:31] <La_PaRCa> useruser, haha, then create it :P
[11:31] <amd3> see, that's what I get when I type lsmod
[11:31] <useruser> La_PaRCa: and i think it used to be created - some upgrade has broken this
[11:31] <darinlh> nalioth, ok will try thanx
[11:31] <LasseL> useruser, what happens if you just create the link yourself?
[11:31] <useruser> La_PaRCa: as in, grip never used to complain until a few days ago
[11:31] <darinlh> Marupa, one sec
[11:31] <nubbe> useruser, I got /dev/hdd
[11:31] <useruser> LasseL: it works. but it's something that should be done automatically
[11:32] <Marupa> k
[11:32] <sorush20> amd3, I don't know about that but if your trying to run a network card then I can help you.... do the command modprobe ndiswrapper
[11:32] <LasseL> useruser, still, it is a one-off?
[11:32] <useruser> LasseL: it gets deleted every time i reboot
[11:32] <nubbe> useruser, mine mounts automagically
[11:32] <useruser> LasseL: debian gets this right :)
[11:32] <useruser> nubbe: audio cds?
[11:32] <darinlh> Marupa, http://damnsmalllinux.org/cgi-bin/forums/ikonboard.cgi?act=SF;f=17 for usb instructions
[11:32] <citrus_> ok   why the hell does vmware 4.5 AND 5.0  freeze my system  or make it completly SLOOOOW and then crash
[11:32] <Mobus> is there any way to make give full root priviledges as if he were root himself, or something close to it?
[11:32] <nubbe> useruser, yepp, just popped it in and up it comes
[11:32] <Mobus> erm...
[11:33] <useruser> nubbe: ok, well i'm not running gnome or anything like that... just grip over ssh from another machine
[11:33] <Dr_Melectaus> For some reason, my laptop isnt detecting dvd data discs ( it detects DVD movies, but doesnt play them), it isnt mounting any form of dvd apart from dvd movies
[11:33] <Mobus> is there a way I can give a user account full root permissions, or something close to it
[11:33] <useruser> Mobus: yes, you can use sudo
[11:33] <Mobus> no
[11:33] <amd3> sorush20, I did the command modprobe ndiswrapper and nothing happened
[11:33] <abydos> Is there any way to install a java runtime on ubuntu?
[11:33] <Mobus> that only works IN the terminal
[11:33] <Dr_Melectaus> dvd's for example it wont detect are the likes of ut2k4 or blacn dvd discs
[11:33] <useruser> Mobus: run visudo as root and copy the settings for the default ubuntu user
[11:33] <La_PaRCa> ubotu tell abydos about java
[11:33] <abydos> like, blackdown, or something similar?
[11:34] <morgul_> how can I set back up my sound card?
[11:34] <sorush20> amd3, now got to Sytem>Admin>Networking
[11:34] <abydos> ty La_PaRCa
[11:34] <Comp_Lex> yes abydos
[11:34] <abydos> eek, I mean thank you.
[11:34] <sorush20> amd3, is there a wlan0 present
[11:34] <amd3> no
[11:34] <Comp_Lex> you can either download Java JRE @ java.sun.com or use backports
[11:34] <La_PaRCa> haha
[11:34] <sorush20> amd3, type iwconfig
[11:35] <sorush20> amd3, do you see wlan0
[11:35] <amd3> sorush20, yes it is now
[11:35] <amd3> but it is greyed out
[11:35] <ed1t> !tell abydos about java
[11:35] <amd3> sorush20, it's called eth1, btw
[11:35] <sorush20> amd3, okay activate it...
[11:35] <Marupa> not giving me any useful info, darinlh, that requires a bootable cd.
[11:36] <nubbe> damn, they are relentless, hehe
[11:36] <amd3> that button is also greyed out
[11:36] <Comp_Lex> abydos: try this http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[11:36] <darinlh> Marupa, one sec
[11:36] <amd3> only the properties button is clickable
[11:36] <useruser> who knows about udev here?
[11:36] <sorush20> amd3, is there a light comming on ..... on the card.... if yes .. ping yahoo.com
[11:36] <sorush20> amd3, then type ipconfig
[11:36] <amd3> sorush20, no, there's no light on the card, as it normally should do.
[11:37] <amd3> sorush20, i'm trying to install the driver first using ndiswrapper.
[11:37] <mak> good day. does anyone know a reason why all of my man files stopped working?
[11:37] <abydos> I just migrated to ubuntu from sid
[11:37] <sorush20> amd3, type ndiswrapper -l
[11:37] <sorush20> what do you see..
[11:37] <La_PaRCa> !ubuntuguide
[11:37] <ubotu> I heard ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[11:37] <useruser> here's a curious thing. I have /.dev/cdrom. but it points to /.dev/hdc, which is wrong for me
[11:38] <amd3> bash: ndiswrapper: command not found
[11:38] <citrus_>    why  does vmware 4.5 AND 5.0  freeze my system  or make it completly SLOOOOW and then crash
[11:38] <thechitowncubs> citrus_: how much did vmware cost?
[11:38] <nubbe> useruser, I got 0 and 1 too
[11:38] <useruser> nubbe: 0 and 1?
[11:38] <citrus_> i am trying the EVAL
[11:38] <citrus_> i don't know
[11:39] <useruser> nubbe: oh, cdrom0 and cdrom1
[11:39] <abydos> E: Couldn't find package java-package
[11:39] <xkuseme> is ubuntu easier to use than debian? or is the installation easier?
[11:39] <sorush20> amd3, I've told you before I'll tell you again... remove the ndiswrapper-utils, and reinstall it form synaptic.. that is the only reason.. what its not reading..
[11:39] <IIIEars>  IIIEars_
[11:39] <abydos> ubotu:  tell me about java
[11:39] <IIIEars> Excuse me
[11:39] <DekaPink> Hey all.
[11:39] <abydos> ubotu:  tell me about multiverse
[11:39] <sorush20> IIIEars: yes
[11:39] <nubbe> useruser, actually I lied, got /dev/cdrom and cdrom1 only
[11:39] <La_PaRCa> ubotu tell abydos about repositories
[11:40] <useruser> nubbe: ok. well i'm really none the wiser about this :(
[11:40] <amd3> sorush20, you told me to remove ndiswrapper-utils. It was already removed, ie. it was not installed in the first place.
[11:40] <abydos> La_PaRCa:  I was getting to that :)
[11:40] <sorush20> well install its amd3
[11:40] <IIIEars> How do i see if my apm is enabled?
[11:40] <nubbe> useruser, got /media/cdrom and 0 and 1
[11:40] <La_PaRCa> abydos, I am super efficient!
[11:40] <useruser> nubbe: thing is i have no idea why you have those things and i don't. until i find that out, i can't fix anything
[11:40] <scott> anyone know how to get a window manager that you compile from source to show up in the session list in gdm?
[11:40] <citrus_> how do i upgrade to breezy
[11:40] <amd3> sorush20, lol, now you tell me.
[11:40] <abydos> La_PaRCa:  that, and you know what info ubotu posseses
[11:40] <useruser> nubbe: plus i don't know why my /dev/cdrom symlink is deleted and not recreated on reboot
[11:41] <IIIEars> nvm - google is a newbies best friend - lol
[11:41] <sorush20> amd3, sorry
[11:41] <abydos> wow, this is very helpful, even Debian wasn't this efficient
[11:41] <nubbe> useruser, sorry, my knowledge is pretty shallow about those things
[11:42] <amd3> sorush20, no probs. i can run "ndiswrapper" now. :D
[11:42] <sorush20> amd3, works or not..
[11:42] <IIIEars> abydos - #ubuntu is the best and ubotu the channel bot is very smart.
[11:42] <rukus> this is what happens when there's no root.
[11:42] <amd3> sorush20, what is the command to sudo
[11:42] <abydos> IIIEars:  I'd noticed
[11:43] <abydos> La_PaRCa:  I see no "multiverse" here
[11:43] <sorush20> amd3, sudo is debian language for super user do
[11:43] <La_PaRCa> abydos, you are in synaptic?
[11:43] <Marupa> how would I install ubuntu using knoppix boot cd?
[11:43] <abydos> La_PaRCa:  yes
[11:43] <amd3> "sudo ndiswrapper -i file.inf" is that right?
[11:44] <sorush20> amd3, yes
[11:44] <La_PaRCa> abydos, you can always add it by hand to /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:44] <abydos> La_PaRCa:  I was hoping I wouldn't have to do that, but oh well
[11:44] <citrus_> whats the name of the file manager in KDE?
[11:44] <IIIEars> abydos - in gnome? - system .> administration > synaptic > repositories > click on the plus sign and put a check mark in "multiversse
[11:45] <La_PaRCa> abydos, your synaptic repositories dialog doesnt look like the one in the wiki?
[11:45] <amd3> how can I blacklist a module from loading?
[11:45] <abydos> La_PaRCa:  yes, it does, but there's no "multiverse" repository
[11:45] <abydos> and "java-package" doesn't exist in any of my known repos
[11:46] <sorush20> has anyone else received this message...
[11:46] <LasseL> Marupa, did you try to download the ubuntu iso from your gentoo livecd, mount that, and "chroot" into it
[11:46] <La_PaRCa> um... just add multiverse to the universe line in sources.list
[11:46] <IIIEars> citrus - konquerer serves as the file manager and the browser
[11:46] <{Seb}> are people using breezy yet>
[11:46] <citrus_> can i use it in gnome?
[11:46] <abydos> La_PaRCa:  thanks
[11:46] <La_PaRCa> {Seb}, nope...
[11:46] <{Seb}> or most people sticking with Hoary for a while?
[11:46] <sorush20> amd3, don't know about blacklisting... are trying to prevent some cards loading and other to load....
[11:46] <sorush20> amd3, yes..
[11:46] <La_PaRCa> {Seb}, breezy is highly unstable at this point in time
[11:46] <{Seb}> you're telling me
[11:47] <La_PaRCa> {Seb}, as seen in the channel topic: DO NOT USE BREEZY YET
[11:47] <amd3> I'm trying to prevent "prism54" driver from loading when I insert my wlan card, because prism54 drivers are incompatible with it.
[11:47] <aimaz> does there exist a floppy disk image for installation on machine that have CD drives that are not bootable?
[11:47] <icewt> what's up with mplayer & AC3 sound in ubuntu? is there any other way to get it to work than to compile mplayer myself? i doesn't seem to be possible to use debian (marillat) packages either because of unmet depencies :/
[11:47] <sorush20> amd3, don't know...
[11:48] <abydos> thanks, La_PaRCa, you've been a huge help
[11:48] <La_PaRCa> abydos, got it?
[11:48] <vladuz976> does anybody here know much about ubuntu's distro upgrade problem?
[11:48] <DekaPink> I can't get it to work... Les sigh.
[11:48] <abydos> La_PaRCa:  yep
[11:48] <sorush20> guys do I use samba to share printing or not.... I have two ubuntu machines and ones connected to the printer how can I share... it..
[11:49] <La_PaRCa> vladuz976, what dist upgrade problem?
[11:49] <DekaPink> Anyone care to help me find a way to make my ATI AIW Radeon 8500... work... better? xD
[11:49] <vladuz976> La_PaRCa: i hear that you can't upgrade ubuntu easily, you need to reinstall. that's what ppl on debian say
[11:49] <citrus_> can i make gnome use konqueror as the default file manager???????
[11:50] <La_PaRCa> vladuz976, um... well, I havent had that problem at all. Just dont use Breezy yet.
[11:50] <La_PaRCa> vladuz976, warty to hoary was pretty smooth
[11:50] <vladuz976> La_PaRCa: just using apt-get?
[11:50] <La_PaRCa> vladuz976, yeah
[11:50] <sorush20> amd3, search of prism in synapic... assuming you have all the repositories, if not go to ununtuguide.org get the repositories set up and search for prism, you'll find some tools for the chipset..
[11:51] <DekaPink> Sigh. :3
[11:51] <matthieu_> Hi, I need help. Can someone please type >grep '13f6 0x00000110' /lib/modules/*/modules.pcimap     and give me the result ?
[11:51] <La_PaRCa> DekaPink, what have you tried?
[11:51] <vladuz976> La_PaRCa: do you know the difference between ubuntu's and debian packages. do they have more or what?
[11:51] <amd3> sorush20, I'm trying to remove prism54 drivers
[11:51] <abydos> Which java package do I need, the .bin?
[11:51] <vladuz976> vladuz976: also heard that sarge uses 2.4 kernel
[11:51] <abydos> I could always use alien on the rpm, but that would fall under the heading of "hack"
[11:51] <Marupa> ok, I'm booted into knoppix, now, how do I download and install ubuntu?  I have no idea what I'm doing, this is the first time I've ever used linux at all, besides trying to install gentoo.
[11:51] <La_PaRCa> vladuz976, they are in different repositories, and they are packaged a _little_ different
[11:51] <amd3> thanks very much for your time and help
[11:51] <amd3> bye
[11:52] <DekaPink> La_PaRCa, hmmm... I've tried installing the official driver, and I've tried the thing from the wiki, and the instructions in 'how to get 3d games to work' on the forum, and a couple other things from the forum I found when I was searchign around.
[11:52] <Julius___> Greets!
[11:52] <vladuz976> La_PaRCa: different repositories meaning wider selection?
[11:52] <La_PaRCa> vladuz976, um... no, I'd say the selection is about the same.
[11:52] <La_PaRCa> DekaPink, and what problems do you still have?
[11:53] <vladuz976> La_PaRCa: coz everybody always brags about debians packages
[11:53] <MartenH> Why do I need to insert the ubuntu CD when doing apt-get for ndiswrapper but not for any other apt-get stuff?
[11:53] <Julius___> does somebod here use a wifi card with broadcom 4306 chipset?
[11:53] <DekaPink> La_PaRCa, No 3D acceleration, it would seem. :3
[11:53] <La_PaRCa> vladuz976, Ubuntu packages are really really good, and the repositories are very comprehensive. If debian people keep bragging about their packages, just ask them about their security updates ;-)
[11:53] <Burgundavia> MartenH, the cd has stuff that is shipped but not installed by default, mostly for networking, like ndiswrapper
[11:54] <nalioth> Marupa: have you read this?  >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallFromKnoppixHowto
[11:54] <jasoncohen> vladuz976, basically universe is all from debian- with minimal or no changes. main & restricted are debian packages that are worked on by ubuntu and supported. multiverse includes packages not in debian repositories. overall, ubuntu has everything debian has and a few more like mplayer
[11:54] <La_PaRCa> DekaPink, sorry, cant help you there.
[11:54] <vladuz976> La_PaRCa: sorry i am just trying to to see what distro is good for me
[11:54] <DekaPink> La_PaRCa, blast... Thanks, anyway, though. :)
[11:54] <MartenH> Burgundavia: Why doesn't it simply get it from the net as it does with the other packages?
[11:54] <Julius___> I already hate ndiswrapper!! It recognizes my card but connection won't work :(
[11:54] <nalioth> vladuz976: www.linuxfromscratch.org
[11:54] <darinlh> anyone know how to remove one package and not the depends?
[11:54] <Burgundavia> MartenH, dumb bug in dpkg
[11:54] <MartenH> Burgundavia: ok
[11:55] <abydos> ok so this is a problem\
[11:55] <abydos> I can't download java
[11:55] <abydos> at all
[11:55] <vladuz976> nalioth: too hardcore
[11:55] <Julius___> MartenH: that's useful anyway... atleast for me, when I have to install ndiswrapper from the cd because I have no internet connection in linux =(
[11:55] <nalioth> vladuz976: only if you make it so
[11:55] <vladuz976> jasoncohen: taht sounds pretty good
[11:56] <Marupa> nalioth, can you guide me through it, cause I'm going to screw it upt if I do it myself.
[11:56] <La_PaRCa> abydos, why is that?
[11:56] <vladuz976> nalioth: what did you have before ubuntu?
[11:56] <jasoncohen> vladuz976, go to packages.ubuntu.com and search yourself
[11:56] <Burgundavia> MartenH, just go into synaptic and remove the cd
[11:56] <nalioth> Marupa: gimme a minute to read over it
[11:56] <abydos> La_PaRCa:  When I click the link to download it, nothing happens
[11:56] <nalioth> vladuz976: 2 macintoshes
[11:56] <La_PaRCa> abydos, where are you getting it from?
[11:56] <Marupa> ok, cause I already have my drives partitioned, but they still have data on them from gentoo, and I don't know how to get rid of it...
[11:56] <abydos> La_PaRCa:  java.sun.com
[11:56] <vladuz976> nalioth: so this is your first linux then huh?
[11:56] <La_PaRCa> abydos, let me guess, you are using the latest firefox?
[11:56] <abydos> yes
[11:57] <matthieu_> abydos: I had the same problem when trying to download a fresh firefox
[11:57] <jasoncohen> vladuz976, backports and hoary-extras has more backages. backports has some packages from breezy which didn't get into hoary and extras has stuff that couldn't be included for legal reasons likelibdvdcss2, w32codecs
[11:57] <La_PaRCa> abydos, Both official and ubuntu latest firefox versions are broken
[11:57] <Julius___> there's something in this HOWTO https://wiki.ubuntu.com//SetupNdiswrapperHowto that doesnt work for me =( the "sed -e..." command, it says something about permission denial even though I'm using sudo
[11:57] <Drifter2> Com_plex, IceDC571.....
[11:57] <Drifter2> the burn at once program wont work either
[11:57] <abydos> oh, I see.
[11:57] <La_PaRCa> abydos, you have to right click and save link as...
[11:57] <Drifter2> the cd is still corrupt
[11:57] <Marupa> nalioth, can we PM stuff?
[11:57] <nalioth> vladuz976: hardly, i have been using linux since 1996
[11:57] <citrus_> can i make gnome use konqueror as the default file manager???????
[11:57] <Drifter2> i could not install the base because it said it cant install "Cron" something
[11:57] <vladuz976> nalioth: this is my first computer basically last one was when i was 11 or 12 windows 3.1
[11:57] <abydos> La_PaRCa:  Thanks, you've been seriously a huge help
[11:58] <matthieu_> La_PaRCa : when the website uses redirect, it does not work.
[11:58] <oni> I need help installing VBA from the source
[11:58] <La_PaRCa> matthieu_, it has worked for me before...
[11:58] <Tuxist> hi
[11:58] <Tuxist> I listen nowAsche Zu Asche from  Rammstein of Live Aus Berlin (US)
[11:58] <matthieu_> La_PaRCa: As said previously, I couldn't download Firefox not Thunderbird... Any trick to use ?
[11:59] <Drifter2> =\
[11:59] <Drifter2> well that sucks
[11:59] <Drifter2> maybe its my system =(
[11:59] <La_PaRCa> matthieu_, wget? ;-)
[11:59] <oni> can anybody help me to build a file from his source?
[11:59] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i installed kwin-baghira for my kde-desktop.,....but its not in the control centre...wot can i do?
[11:59] <matthieu_> La_PaRCa: if fact, some web sites create the URL when clicking on the button. I don't know the URL to wget... This is the reason for the problem...
[11:59] <IceDC571> i think ubuntu needs a new default theme and wallpaper