[12:06] <MikeStyle> hi, um using ark and/or archive manager with the .rar plugin is there anyway to enter a password for a protected archive?
[12:07] <MikeStyle> ...
[12:10] <Zugwrack> Hey there...I assume there is just a 64bit available using Ubuntu? A Kubuntu ver?
[12:11] <LuNaTiK^GuY> y is kwin-baghira not in my theme lists in control centre?
[12:11] <Zugwrack> Sorry..I meant there is a 64bit version for ubuntulinux..what about kubuntu?
[12:11] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'm not sure there is...but u can always install ubuntu and then do "sudo apt-get install kde-desktop" :)
[12:13] <Zugwrack> LuNaTiK^Guy: Ok thanks...I figured as much..but if there were two iso's then why not just go with kubuntu...heh
[12:13] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'm not sure there is/isn;t...never checked
[12:14] <Zugwrack> I noticed when I went to kubuntulinux.org it was all in German...and my German isn't worth a hoot.
[12:14] <|rockinnerd|> The application 'kwalletmanager' has requested access to the open wallet 'kdewallet'. Allow this?
[12:15] <|rockinnerd|> ^^ oxymoronish, i think
[12:16] <_jpowers> not really, if you think of them as separate things.
[12:16] <_jpowers> on the other hand, I think it's probably not as user friendly as it could be.
[12:16] <|rockinnerd|> true
[12:17] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i installed kwin-baghira from repos...but its not in the control centre..........plz help :)
[12:17] <jpowers> LuNaTiK^GuY: you could try logging out and logging back into kde.
[12:17] <jpowers> but I'm not sure that's a solution
[12:17] <jpowers> <-- n00b
[12:18] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i did so
[12:18] <LuNaTiK^GuY> didnt work
[12:18] <LuNaTiK^GuY> find /usr -name kwin-baghira does work...i.e it is installed ;)
[12:18] <jpowers> LuNaTiK^GuY: you don't see it under window decorations?
[12:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yes its there :)
[12:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wooops
[12:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> itot it was a whole theme 
[12:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> not a win decoration
[12:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :(
[12:19] <|rockinnerd|> what is the program that listens on the AIM port?
[12:20] <jpowers> huh?
[12:20] <jpowers> |rockinnerd|: what do you mean?
[12:20] <|rockinnerd|> It listens on the port for AOL Instant Messenger, (a console app) and prints the output of the convo or logs it
[12:20] <jpowers> LuNaTiK^GuY: it's a windeco and a widget style, I think.
[12:21] <jpowers> |rockinnerd|: no idea...didn't know that existed.  interesting.
[12:22] <_emmanuel> Hello ! :-)
[12:23] <jpowers> hi _emmanuel 
[12:23] <|rockinnerd|> i saw it in MultiTool Linux, but i cant seem to find the companion site
[12:23] <jpowers> you might be able to rig something up with bitlbee.
[12:24] <jpowers> but it's not ideally suited to your needs, I think
[12:24] <|rockinnerd|> !bitlbee
[12:24] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, |rockinnerd|
[12:24] <|rockinnerd|> jpowers: i just am using it for personal use.
[12:25] <_emmanuel> Sorry if I am the ten thousandth guy that asks that, but my win and Fat 32 don't mount, and I need to access them : could somebody tell me where to find some help please ?
[12:25] <cabajgtr> Can anyone help me with Grub on a dualboot thinkpad?
[12:25] <jpowers> |rockinnerd|: I used to use bitlbee when I didn't want to run a gui client.  It's a pretty neat tool, or was back then.
[12:26] <Jeezis> i;ve heard mixed things about bitlbee
[12:26] <|rockinnerd|> maybe dsniff will do it
[12:26] <cabajgtr> _emmanuel:  you need to get smbfs (apt-get install smbfs)
[12:26] <Jeezis> i use gaim for instant messaging and xchat for irc
[12:26] <jpowers> cabajgtr: to access a local partition?
[12:26] <Jeezis> gaim's irc client still needs some work methinks
[12:27] <jpowers> _emmanuel: do you get an error?
[12:27] <jpowers> Jeezis: kopete's does too.
[12:27] <cabajgtr> I had dual boot working, Kubuntu on sda2, but then a parsed up my hd, and added a logical partition, and i'm guessing it moved somthing weird, cuz grub gives an error on boot
[12:27] <Jeezis> jpowers: ick, i never liked kopete
[12:27] <Jeezis> could never get things working just how i wanted 
[12:28] <jpowers> Jeezis: I understand what you mean.  In kopete's case I molded my needs to meet it rather than vice versa. :\
[12:28] <jpowers> I like the integration it has with kontact
[12:28] <|rockinnerd|> cabajgtr, grab a knoppix cd and boot from it.
[12:28] <cabajgtr> i'm up on an old sysrescue cd
[12:28] <|rockinnerd|> chroot into your system
[12:29] <Jeezis> jpowers: arg, never surrender! :-p
[12:29] <cabajgtr> Kubuntu is now on hda3
[12:29] <cabajgtr> I have mounted it
[12:29] <_emmanuel> cabajgtr: sorry, I was away, one minute... OK I try that
[12:29] <_emmanuel> thx
[12:29] <cabajgtr> actually, emmanuel, i was wrong
[12:29] <|rockinnerd|> chroot /your/hda3/mountpoint
[12:29] <cabajgtr> I was thinking network
[12:29] <cabajgtr> you shouldnt need anyting to mount a fat32
[12:29] <jpowers> _emmanuel: are you mounting local partitions or network partitions?
[12:30] <cabajgtr> what is chroot?
[12:31] <cabajgtr> I can edit grub files as is...
[12:31] <_emmanuel> local partitions
[12:31] <_emmanuel> jpowers: local
[12:31] <Jeezis> jpowers: i've never used kontact too much
[12:31] <jpowers> _emmanuel: does the partition show up in media:/?
[12:31] <_emmanuel> I have one NTFS partition, and a second HD fat32
[12:32] <_emmanuel> jp : yes, they do, but unmounted
[12:32] <jpowers> _emmanuel: what happens when you click them to mount them?
[12:32] <jpowers> Jeezis: I like kontact a lot.  I wish someone would make the pocketpc sync stuff work better with kontact, though.
[12:33] <Jeezis> jpowers: what IS kontact? i've never really been interested in it before
[12:33] <_emmanuel> jpowers: broken glass noise, and a "mount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab" message
[12:34] <jpowers> Jeezis: kontact is a wrapper for a lot of the kde pim stuff.
[12:34] <_emmanuel> jpowers: There are also 2 partitions that appear to be wrong sized
[12:34] <_emmanuel> jpowers: one 1Kb, and one 830 Mb
[12:34] <jpowers> Jeezis: korganizer, kmail, akregator, etc.
[12:34] <Jeezis> jpowers: ah, i understan
[12:34] <Jeezis> d
[12:35] <jpowers> _emmanuel: that's strange.  I don't really know what the issue is.
[12:35] <jpowers> _emmanuel: have you tried mounting them from the command line?
[12:35] <pax> is Kubuntu like linux or something like that?
[12:35] <_emmanuel> jpowers: no, I haven't
[12:35] <_emmanuel> pax: it IS Linux
[12:35] <jpowers> _emmanuel: that's probably your best bet.
[12:36] <jpowers> pax: I heard it was like t3h l00nix
[12:36] <jpowers> ;)
[12:36] <pax> hehe
[12:37] <jpowers> _emmanuel: once you get it to mount successfully from the command line, add the correct info to your fstab.
[12:37] <jpowers> _emmanuel: I don't know if that's the kubuntu way to do it.
[12:37] <jpowers> some of my information is a little out of date
[12:37] <jpowers> that's the way I'd do it, though.
[12:37] <_emmanuel> Ok, I'll try that
[12:37] <_emmanuel> thx jpowers 
[12:39] <cabajgtr> Can anybody help me with an GRUB Error 17?
[12:40] <LuNaTiK^GuY> how does PC-BSD compare to Ubuntu?
[12:41] <pax> cabajgtr: what are you trying to do?
[12:42] <cabajgtr> I had a successful dualboot from one harddrive in my thinkpad
[12:42] <cabajgtr> I used partition magic to shrink my first (windowsNTFS) drive and used the free space for a shared Fat32 drive
[12:43] <cabajgtr> my linux partition is at the end of my drive, it was sda2 (hd0,1 in grub)
[12:43] <cabajgtr> but now it has become sda3
[12:44] <pax> Error 17 indicates GRUB can't id the partition type like you said. Check http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[12:45] <cabajgtr> yeah, but any idea how to fix it?
[12:48] <pax> I don't want to give you wrong answer, but I would try to run grub: # grub > root (hd0,0) grub> setup (hd0) and quit
[12:49] <cabajgtr> is that some sort of auto detect?
[12:49] <pax> if (hd0,0) is not the right one, use tab for the list
[12:50] <pax> well it's a shot to restore grub to the MBR
[12:56] <dooglio> shouldn't it be the other way around?
[12:56] <dooglio> kubuntu has joined #ubuntu
[12:56] <ubuntu> Hey, I'm just trying out the live cd for kubuntu for my ibook
[12:56] <ubuntu> i was wondering.
[12:56] <dooglio> heh
[12:56] <ubuntu> its not letting me connect via kopete 
[12:56] <cabajgtr> hmm, device doesnt exist, but I can't get it to display partitions
[12:57] <ubuntu> keeps saying my passwords wrong..
[12:57] <dooglio> gaim works a heck of a lot better
[12:57] <ubuntu> yah but it was the only thing on my live cd.
[12:57] <dooglio> bummer
[12:57] <ubuntu> i think
[12:57] <ubuntu> lemme check.
[12:57] <dooglio> if it's kunbuntu, i imagine gaim would not be installed
[12:57] <pax> I can't remember that grub page in the wiki .. it was great
[12:58] <pax> !grub
[12:58] <ubotu> hmm... grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[12:58] <pax> nah not that one
[12:59] <pax> cabajgtr: here it is, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[01:18] <andrewguy> hey?
[01:18] <delltony> hi
[01:18] <andrewguy> gotta question for you guys..
[01:18] <andrewguy> hah i'm really noob
[01:18] <andrewguy> i'll admit
[01:18] <andrewguy> at least to Linux
[01:18] <andrewguy> but how do i get back into the GUI from the terminal in kubuntu
[01:19] <delltony> did you ctrl alt f2 or something like that? to go to a virtual shell?
[01:19] <delltony> if so alt f7 should bring you back to the gui
[01:19] <andrewguy> nope, I hit alt crt delete
[01:20] <andrewguy> and it brougt me to terminal for some reason.
[01:20] <delltony> you can try and run sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[01:21] <delltony> or type startx
[01:21] <andrewguy> nice thanks man..
[01:21] <andrewguy> whats startx mean anyways?
[01:21] <delltony> i starts the x server
[01:21] <delltony> without x you get no gui
[01:22] <delltony> have you did a full shutdown now -r to reboot?
[01:23] <delltony> since you wanted to do that with control alt backbackspace restarts x by the way not ctrl alt delete
[01:24] <delltony> did the forementioned work?
[01:28] <andrewguy> yeah it worked thanks man.
[01:28] <andrewguy> If I got this right..
[01:28] <andrewguy> Ubuntu is gnome
[01:29] <andrewguy> and Kubuntu is KDE
[01:29] <andrewguy> ?
[01:30] <delltony> yeah basically
[01:30] <delltony> kubuntu is ubuntu with kde
[01:31] <delltony> but you can have several different managers running
[01:31] <delltony> for instance i have flux,kde and gnome 
[01:31] <delltony> all on ubuntu
[01:43] <othernoob> delltony: why do you have flux kde and gnome?
[02:00] <mdipi> Hey guys, I updated my OS X and now Yaboot doesnt show up at the begining of boots
[02:01] <mdipi> anyone think they know a workaround? or a way to help?
[02:12] <delltony> i was checking them out as a school project my primary one uses only kde
[02:14] <nikkia> gah!!
[02:14] <nikkia> i really love how the postfix documentation fails to make a big deal out of the fact that it all runs in a chroot, so you need to copy chunks of /etc 
[02:49] <hussam> _otep: uninstall anything you don't really need
[02:49] <_otep> that i did
[02:49] <_otep> kdevelop is the first one to go
[02:50] <_otep> am thinking of removing kynaptic but that also removes kde-desktop
[02:51] <hussam> kde-desktop is a meta package, it is only useful for upgrades, you may remove it.
[02:52] <hussam> if you have both amarok and kafeine installed, remove amarok and keep kaffeine.
[02:52] <_otep> oh...
[02:53] <_otep> you sure with that? heheh
[02:54] <hussam> yeah kaffeine will play both audio and video.
[02:55] <hussam> kaffeine uses xine engine
[02:55] <_otep> hmmm\
[02:55] <_otep> ok
[02:56] <_otep> uhhh
[02:56] <hussam> Riddell: Thanks for the koffice 1.4.1 packages. you guys are awesome. most recent kde and most recent koffice. This is truly great work.
[02:56] <_otep> any warranty?
[02:56] <_otep> j/k
[02:57] <hussam> also if you have documents of personal files and you have a cd burner, move them to a cd
[02:58] <hussam> don't remove kynaptic however unless you have synaptic installed.
[03:00] <_otep> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/765
[03:02] <hussam> why is that partitioned to a lot of drives?
[03:02] <_otep> hda6-7?
[03:02] <hussam> yeah
[03:03] <_otep> someone i know told me to do that
[03:03] <_otep> i had this problem, sort of, before
[03:04] <hussam> that wan not really necessary, I know some keep /home on a different drive. although you seem to have enough space left in /usr and that's were most programs are installed
[03:04] <_otep> i reinstalled and did his suggestion for the partitioning
[03:04] <_otep> yeah
[03:04] <_otep> im thinking of resizing "/"
[03:05] <_otep> but gparted just shows the partitions
[03:05] <_otep> cant resize 'em
[03:05] <stibby> are you in as root?
[03:05] <_otep> nope
[03:06] <_otep> normal user
[03:06] <stibby> heh...type 'sudo gparted'
[03:06] <stibby> that might work
[03:07] <_otep> ok ill try
[03:07] <hussam> I still have 26 GB empty left and I'm pretty sure the rest of the guys here have more ( just thought I would rub that in lol ). Shame on me lol :)
[03:07] <hussam> just kidding
[03:07] <_otep> ahhah
[03:08] <_otep> actually im just trying out kubuntu and i liked it
[03:09] <_otep> went on installing other packages not minding im using only a 10GB hd
[03:09] <hussam> can gparted actually resize partitions?
[03:09] <hussam> well 10GB is usually more than enough. 
[03:09] <stibby> it can
[03:09] <_otep> stibby: right-click only shows umount and information, i mean resize is shaded 
[03:10] <stibby> you may lose data, however
[03:10] <stibby> hmm
[03:10] <hussam> yeah it's never safe to resize partitions
[03:11] <hussam> I have to reboot, brb good luck _otep
[03:11] <_otep> hahah
[03:12] <_otep> maybe i should just get a bigger hd
[03:17] <_otep> yo
[03:17] <hussam> _otep: what did you decide to do?
[03:18] <_otep> i asked on #ubuntu =D
[03:18] <stibby> that would work :)
[03:20] <_otep> hahah
[03:33] <_otep> yo
[03:36] <hussam> hey
[03:37] <othernoob> has anyone ever tried to get a firmware update from lite-on?
[03:37] <_otep> am trying to umount /usr, getting a "device is busy"
[03:37] <Dhraakellian> not surprising
[03:38] <_otep> oh =D
[03:39] <Dhraakellian> not surprising that /usr is in use, given how much stuff is in, say /usr/bin
[03:39] <Dhraakellian> !;)
[03:39] <ubotu> Dhraakellian: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[03:39] <othernoob> would someone please try to get ANY firmware from http://www.liteonit.com/ODD/English/e_downloads/e_firmware_cd-rw.asp
[03:39] <Dhraakellian> quiet, bot.  The belt on the weird guy's head is none of your concern
[03:40] <Dhraakellian> _otep, trying to repartition or resize partitions?
[03:40] <_otep> yup
[03:40] <Dhraakellian> I'd probably do stuff like that from a liveCD
[03:40] <_otep> hmmmm
[03:40] <_otep> right
[03:40] <_otep> havent thought of that
[03:41] <hon> is there any recent developement around kynaptic?
[03:41] <hon> or should we really use synaptic instead?
[03:42] <othernoob> why do you even use synaptic?
[03:42] <Dhraakellian> coming from gentoo and doing all the package management from the commandline
[03:42] <hon> I am still using kynaptic + vim /etc/apt/source.list
[03:42] <hon> but I think this should get really improved for all the users
[03:43] <hon> not just command liners ;)
[03:43] <Dhraakellian> heh
[03:45] <hon> is there anyone trying to *cough* fork *cough* synaptic?
[03:46] <hon> because it doesn't seem to have any complicated parts, or maybe I am wrong :)
[03:47] <hon> after gimp and inkscape I really don't want to get depended on another gtk app
[03:47] <jake1> i have a question that maybe one can help me with
[03:48] <jake1> i installed Ubuntu and then i set up my repositories in order to get Kubuntu and i did, but unfortunately when i boot now all i get is the Kubuntu login panel but not the GUI
[03:48] <jake1> the KDE GUI that is
[03:48] <jake1> is there something i am doing wrong
[03:48] <hon> do you have kdm installed?
[03:48] <jake1> i think that it did install it
[03:49] <Dhraakellian> /etc/init.d/kdm start
[03:49] <jake1> it asked me what i would like to use for my default
[03:49] <jake1> and the options were gdm and kdm
[03:49] <jake1> i selected kdm
[03:52] <jake1> Dhraakellian i typed that in (it required sudo) but the output says "Starting K Display Manager"         "[fail] "
[03:52] <jake1> EOL
[03:52] <Dhraakellian> does startx work?
[03:52] <jake1> EOL (end of line)
[03:53] <jake1> Fatal server error: server is already active for display 0 if this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.XO-lock and start again
[03:54] <delltony> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[03:54] <delltony> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[03:54] <jake1> stopped
[03:54] <jake1> back to a >console type interface
[03:55] <jake1> with terminal output reading "Linux login:"
[03:55] <delltony> then login
[03:55] <delltony> and then type /etc/init.d/kdm start
[03:56] <jake1> hld on
[03:56] <jake1> ok...
[03:56] <jake1> now i am at the kubuntu login panel.. which was working before
[03:56] <jake1> i will login
[03:56] <jake1> and see if KDE is there or if it swaps back to gnome
[03:57] <jake1> nope
[03:57] <jake1> back at gnome
[03:57] <delltony> hmm on that login thing if i'm not mistaken isn't there a session selector?
[03:57] <aseigo> jake1: are you selecting KDE from the sessions menu when logging in?
[03:58] <delltony> :) 
[03:58] <jake1> no aseigo i am not
[03:58] <jake1> should i be?
[03:58] <jake1> lol
[03:59] <hon> make it default
[03:59] <delltony> yeah its just a different interface the session might still be defaulted to gnome instead of kde
[03:59] <jake1> please hold
[03:59] <delltony> i had to change mine to kde now that i think of it
[03:59] <jake1> ok... little drop down menu had kde listed
[04:00] <jake1> i selected it
[04:00] <delltony> now login and "should" work
[04:00] <jake1> it is now initializing system service
[04:00] <jake1> which is definately different
[04:00] <delltony> its working ;)
[04:00] <jake1> why cnt things happen automatically
[04:00] <delltony> why can't i be a millionare?
[04:00] <jake1> like those machines that inject cream into your hostess cupcakes
[04:01] <jake1> those are automatic
[04:01] <jake1> set it and forget it
[04:01] <delltony> i want a automatic date from hot girls :D
[04:01] <jake1> :-\
[04:01] <jake1> me too
[04:01] <jake1> the KDE seems to take a little bit longer than gnome to load
[04:01] <delltony> try gentoo one day and see how much ubuntu makes your life easy
[04:01] <Dhraakellian> delltony, khotnewchicks?
[04:01] <delltony> haha
[04:02] <jake1> indeed
[04:02] <delltony> im gonna laugh my ass off if apt-cache search shows that
[04:02] <Dhraakellian> gentoo and kubuntu both have their advantages
[04:02] <delltony> Dhraakellian, true
[04:02] <jake1> does ubuntu support drivers for Apple's Airport extreme 
[04:02] <delltony> i use gentoo stricky for my server
[04:02] <Dhraakellian> http://theobromas.blogspot.com/2005/05/new-resources-urgently-needed.html
[04:02] <delltony> jake do this man
[04:02] <delltony> take note of this very good tip
[04:03] <delltony> apropos 
[04:03] <aseigo> jake1: yes, it does load for a bit longer. a combination of having more infrastructure in the desktop and the lame ass slowness of the gnu toolchain at runtime linking of c++ apps
[04:03] <delltony> type apropos <whatever> and it will tell you what packages have the stuff
[04:04] <jake1> that's a whatis database in UNIX i believe
[04:04] <Dhraakellian> aseigo, out of curiosity, what distro did you use before kubuntu?
[04:04] <jake1> specifically for strigs
[04:05] <jake1> err.
[04:05] <jake1> strings
[04:05] <aseigo> Dhraakellian: same ones i'm still using ;)
[04:05] <Dhraakellian> heh
[04:05] <Dhraakellian> multiple computers?
[04:05] <aseigo> Dhraakellian: i'm typing this on my laptop which is running suse. i have two boxes with kubuntu here though
[04:05] <aseigo> yes.. a few of them
[04:05] <delltony> anyone ever gotten sl-modem to install on ubuntu hoary?
[04:06] <Dhraakellian> suse is on my list of distros to try
[04:06] <aseigo> it's pretty good indeed
[04:06] <Dhraakellian> I think I'll probably stick with kubuntu until at least KDE 3.5
[04:06] <Dhraakellian> so I can see what the upgrade is like
[04:06] <delltony> i'm running the 686-smp image and i get sl-modem-modules-new depend errors
[04:07] <jake1> mmmm...
[04:07] <jake1> so much juicier kde is
[04:07] <delltony> not trying to start a bash herre but why do folks like gnome so much i hate it. if i want something like that without all the bells and whistles then hell ill just run flux and make the damn thing how i want it
[04:08] <jake1> maybe kde reminds them so much of windows
[04:08] <jake1> and they don't like that
[04:08] <delltony> i guess
[04:08] <jake1> i mean the K is the start menu
[04:08] <delltony> well true but i have a girl in a thong on mine
[04:09] <delltony> change kside.jpg :)
[04:09] <delltony> and the banner on the side you can make it to whatever you want
[04:09] <Dhraakellian> jake1, KDE can look like windows
[04:09] <Dhraakellian> it can also look like a mac
[04:09] <Dhraakellian> it can also look like something totally unique
[04:09] <delltony> all i can say is this
[04:10] <delltony> i was shy of linux for a long time till i stepped into gentoo
[04:10] <delltony> and when i found out that i set it up and forget about it 
[04:10] <Dhraakellian> heh
[04:10] <delltony> then i loved linux and never looked back
[04:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> ubuntu is cool in that you don't have to freakin compile everything.
[04:10] <delltony> it pisses folks off at work when i run two os's at the same time
[04:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> at the same time?
[04:10] <delltony> yeah
[04:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> wine?
[04:11] <delltony> blah vmware
[04:11] <jake1> Dhraakellian: you know any good sources for KDE themes and what not
[04:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> how usable is that really?
[04:11] <jake1> to give it a whole new unique look
[04:11] <Dhraakellian> jake1, kde-look.org
[04:11] <delltony> very actually
[04:11] <delltony> cause if it borks you just hit reload snapshot
[04:11] <delltony> and bam instant back to where you left off
[04:11] <delltony> it virtual boots so takes no time
[04:11] <jake1> good idea
[04:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> if apps are using my dvd drive and experience weird exits, or problems, the drive won't eject and i can't find a way to make it usable again without rebooting.
[04:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone have any idea what i can do?
[04:12] <jake1> i shall give that a looksie
[04:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> not even sudo eject works
[04:12] <Dhraakellian> jake1, and its sister site, kde-apps.org, has a bunch of kde-based applications that aren't shipped with KDE itself
[04:12] <delltony> you type sudo eject /dev/hdc
[04:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'll tryy
[04:12] <delltony> being hdc as your dvd or cdrom
[04:12] <d> what is the kde gui for enabling/disabling system daemons called?
[04:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> eject alone always works
[04:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> except when the drive "freezes"
[04:12] <delltony> d use bum
[04:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> hdc is not my cdrom though
[04:13] <delltony> boot up manager
[04:13] <jake1> mmmmmm... apps
[04:13] <jake1> i like apps
[04:13] <jake1> they are sexy
[04:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> the eject command is in a non-killable status.
[04:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> frozen
[04:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> big fat D
[04:14] <d> dell: do you know what the kde method involves- there is a front end to enable ssh and stuff
[04:14] <delltony> well bum shows all the stuff in init.d
[04:14] <delltony> and you can turn it on and off
[04:14] <jake1> how come my wireless cards signal meter is not in the panel
[04:14] <delltony> to make it load with the rcupdate
[04:16] <delltony> you can also try a terminal version which i like better d
[04:16] <delltony> called rcconf
[04:16] <jake1> how can i tell which version of KDE this is?
[04:16] <delltony> i just loaded it now and ssh is here with a * in it indicating its running on the runlevel
[04:17] <jake1> do all the themes and styles work with one another
[04:17] <othernoob> jake1: control center ?
[04:18] <othernoob> to your ..which kde version this is -question
[04:18] <jake1> othernoob: where in the control center
[04:18] <jake1> ?
[04:19] <othernoob> eh.. when you open it it should be right there KDE VERSION: 3.4.0 for example.. on the right side
[04:19] <jake1> ah
[04:19] <jake1> ok
[04:19] <jake1> hld on a jiff
[04:19] <jake1> 3.4.0
[04:21] <jake1> which theme do you guys like the most
[04:22] <delltony> lipstick is pretty good i used it for a while
[04:22] <hussam> Plastik is the best KDE theme
[04:23] <delltony> aww i have to agree
[04:23] <jake1> fuck... there is no point in getting a new theme
[04:23] <jake1> i jst noticed that i have a really tiny dead pixel on my LCD
[04:23] <jake1> man
[04:24] <delltony> aww my childish eyes :(
[04:24] <jake1> now it's all messed up
[04:24] <jake1> NOTHING WILL BE THE SAME EVER AGAIN
[04:24] <stibby> i like keramik :) but plastik rocks as well
[04:24] <Dhraakellian> plastik widget style, crystal windec
[04:24] <delltony> it might be spunk rub it off ;)
[04:25] <Dhraakellian> and icon set, color scheme, and wallpapers vary
[04:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> any of you guys know of a good source of "internet tv"..like news, tech, whatever in something like ogg theora?
[04:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> or any format really..
[04:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> freely available mind you..
[04:26] <jake1> i want to find like a Matrix theme
[04:26] <jake1> that would be kinda cool
[04:27] <delltony> you mean with the transparent everything?
[04:27] <jake1> yea sure
[04:28] <jake1> why not
[04:28] <delltony> BROKEN_LADDER, you ever watch Systm ? aka "the broken"
[04:28] <delltony> haven't figured how to do it in kde but in flux you can make eveything transparent
[04:29] <jake1> is there an app for linux that works with iTunes music Sharing
[04:29] <jake1> cuz that would be kinda cool
[04:29] <delltony> to play itunes?
[04:30] <jake1> yea to play the music being shared from iTunes library
[04:30] <delltony> jake1 type this you using xchat?
[04:31] <jake1> huh??
[04:31] <jake1> yea i am
[04:31] <jake1> but not on Linux 
[04:31] <jake1> on Tiger
[04:31] <jake1> with my G5
[04:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> never heard of it
[04:31] <delltony> well none the less on the linux box type apt-cache search itunes
[04:31] <delltony> you will get the following
[04:31] <delltony> juk - music organizer and player for KDE
[04:31] <delltony> pymusique - iTMS client
[04:32] <jake1> ah
[04:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think os x is vile.
[04:32] <delltony> pymusicque i thnk s your answer
[04:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> absolutely it is
[04:32] <jpowers> what is "pure kgx"?
[04:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> every time apple hacks it so pymusique breaks, it just gets hacked to work again.
[04:32] <jpowers> kde gnu/linux xorg?
[04:32] <jpowers> I like osx
[04:33] <jpowers> I run osx on my mac
[04:33] <delltony> well its like drms they take and change the stuff for it and folks hack it ove and over and over
[04:33] <jpowers> I think it works pretty well and it's quite pretty.
[04:33] <delltony> but i hate wmvs so i don't even bother
[04:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> osx just feels so bulky and slow
[04:34] <delltony> oh and by the way you guys into dvds and xvid?
[04:34] <jake1> :-\
[04:34] <jpowers> delltony: I'm not.
[04:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> even on the brand new machines at the apple store in downtown san francisco, you drag a window around the screen and it just draws slowly trailing themouse
[04:34] <delltony> if so yo should honestly download transcode and then ripmake 
[04:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> you should rip dvd's to theora
[04:34] <jake1> so i guess i need to download the source code to some of these themes
[04:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> use thoggen for that.
[04:34] <jake1> and compile them manually
[04:34] <jpowers> BROKEN_LADDER: I run into that, but I'm running it strictly over vnc, so my expectations are much less.
[04:34] <delltony> then i can hook you up wth a php i made and its encodes in realtime
[04:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> encode to theora
[04:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> theora is the answer
[04:35] <jake1> as they seemingly only list for suse, mandrake, gentoo, and slackpack
[04:35] <jake1> whatever slackpack is
[04:35] <delltony> theorar pardon my ignorance but is that a new codec?
[04:35] <Jeezis> just a general recommendation out there....nicotine is a great client for music sharing
[04:35] <jpowers> nicotine is the slsk client?
[04:35] <Jeezis> jpowers: yes indeed
[04:36] <jpowers> isn't it gtk?
[04:36] <Jeezis> yup
[04:36] <jpowers> I'm such a fan of qt
[04:36] <delltony> BROKEN_LADDER, cause what i do is just vobcopy the stuff to the hd then transcode it but ill look into theora
[04:36] <jpowers> <-- kde fanboy
[04:36] <Jeezis> jpowers: ah, i understand completely
[04:37] <jpowers> aseigo: could I get a kdemail acct if I got a konqi tattoo on a highly visible part of my body?
[04:37] <Jeezis> <--running kubuntu 5.04 as we speak
[04:37] <delltony> hell put it on ebay why not
[04:37] <Jeezis> jpowers: brilliant idea! i would so do that
[04:37] <delltony> get 10,000 bucks and put my website on your eye lid
[04:38] <delltony> that lady that did that was a foo
[04:38] <delltony> 10,000 dollars to tattoo some website on her forhead what a moron
[04:38] <jpowers> people do strange things in this life
[04:38] <delltony> yeah no kiddin
[04:39] <jpowers> 10k is not a lot of money in the long run, though.
[04:39] <delltony> like that guy that died taking voyeur pics you hear about that
[04:39] <jpowers> no
[04:39] <delltony> this idiot was taking pictures of folks takin a dump right. so he hides out in the porta potty in the crap tank
[04:40] <delltony> and ends up dying from methane gas
[04:40] <Jeezis> hahaha
[04:40] <Jeezis> wow, what a "shitty" way to go
[04:40] <delltony> honestly he could have a picture of my ass if got to shit on him
[04:41] <delltony> that would have to be one hell of a way to go
[04:42] <delltony> we had some idiot down here in ga last night rob a pizza store right
[04:42] <delltony> he thought the gal behind the counter was cute so he goes back in
[04:42] <delltony> gives he his number and ask her for a date
[04:42] <delltony> her*
[04:44] <JayParadise> i wonder how in the hell when i rebooted it wont let me go past a resolution of 640x860
[04:45] <delltony> your xorg.conf
[04:45] <jake1> ok... so i downloaded sources to a theme right to my desktop...
[04:45] <JayParadise> i never touched it, the only thing i edited was konquerorrc
[04:45] <delltony> you have to set the different resolutions
[04:45] <JayParadise> i looked at every file in /etc/X11 very closly compared to a backup about a week old
[04:46] <JayParadise> it hasn't changed
[04:46] <delltony> not X11
[04:47] <JayParadise> for now im just changing icons and font sizes and it doesn't look too bad, its still frusterating 
[04:47] <delltony> the xorg.conf file 
[04:47] <JayParadise> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:47] <delltony> yeah sorry
[04:47] <delltony> there is probably only one resolution entry in it
[04:47] <delltony> that is not commented out
[04:47] <delltony> which is 640x860
[04:48] <delltony> i had to change mine manually for my monitor
[04:49] <delltony>   Modes       "1680x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[04:49] <delltony> more than likely you only have in yous 640x860
[04:51] <jake1> they show up as 'control.tar.gz" "data.tar.gz" and "17729-README.zip"
[04:51] <jake1> what do i do now
[04:51] <jake1> i read the readme
[04:51] <jake1> not very helpful at all
[04:51] <jake1> and i extracted the other files
[04:51] <jake1> but the extractions do not consist of a ./config file
[04:51] <jake1> and i have no clue on how to compile +install the theme
[04:52] <delltony> jake you go to the control panel and hit install theme
[04:52] <delltony> and select the tarball
[04:52] <jake1> ah
[04:53] <jake1> it does not show the tar.gz files
[04:53] <jake1> it shows what i extracted
[04:53] <jake1> but not the files inside of it
[04:54] <delltony> i'm almost certain thats how you do it though do a good on installing kde themes
[05:01] <delltony> speaking of themese what a good font and font size to use?
[05:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> has anyone gotten "ogle" to work for watching dvds?
[05:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> it just sits here for me and doesn't do anything
[05:02] <delltony> i stopped using ogle
[05:02] <delltony> i use xine
[05:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> will it allow me to watch dvds?
[05:03] <delltony> sure
[05:04] <delltony> dvds/svcd/vcd
[05:04] <delltony> if you experience skipping make sure dma is enabled
[05:04] <delltony> is disabled by default
[05:04] <jake1> how come there is no signal meter in KDE anywhere
[05:05] <jake1> how can i get one?
[05:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> dammit my dvd drive always hangs and i have to reboot
[05:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't even sudo eject 
[05:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> what kind of signal?
[05:06] <delltony> there is one if you rght click on the panel and add it its called wireless network information shows on mine with stupid little bar showing 100 percent
[05:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh quick question!
[05:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> why does my system make me type ctrl-d everytime i boot all of a sudden?
[05:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> it just waits and says something about system maintenance or press ctrl-d to continue.
[05:11] <delltony> is your dvd in the drive?
[05:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> MOI?
[05:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> mmm hmmm
[05:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> and it will work fine until some app just freezes and starts acting stupid
[05:12] <delltony> type sudo hdparm -d /dev/hdc  (assuming hdc is your cdrom)
[05:12] <delltony> and tell me what it says
[05:15] <razerslut> can someone help me with amarok? i cannot get it to play songs
[05:15] <razerslut> it does not have an engine selected and there is not one on the list to choose
[05:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's not hdc
[05:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's sdc0
[05:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> err scd0
[05:16] <crimsun> razerslut, what types of songs?
[05:17] <razerslut> mp3's
[05:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> IT SAYS nothing, it just hangs.
[05:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> razerslut mp3 sucks
[05:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> hdparm is hung
[05:18] <razerslut> well, all the same
[05:18] <razerslut> i would like to play them =)
[05:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> hdparm is in D status.
[05:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> unkillable
[05:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> as is anything that touched the drive
[05:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> now thoggen works fine on my dvd drive for the most part..
[05:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> cd ripping never causes problems with it
[05:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> and why is it that every time i reboot i have to type ctrl-d to boot?
[05:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> it just started doing this.
[05:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> dammit man..in kde, ctrl-c fucks xchat up instead of copying
[05:21] <crimsun> razerslut, did you install the arts and/or the xine engines?
[05:28] <allen> hey alguien vivo?
[05:28] <allen> speak spanish?
[05:30] <razerslut> crimsun: i installed them both
[05:30] <razerslut> but now i get an error saying /dev/dsp already in use
[05:30] <razerslut> any idea?
[05:30] <aseigo> jpowers: lol .. no tattoos are required =P
[05:31] <aseigo> jpowers: just need to contribute to the project in some way. e.g. documentation or art or bug triage or ... for a period of time.
[05:31] <jpowers> haha, right on.
[05:31] <jpowers> I'm going to pick up C++ by the end of the summer, and qt soon after.
[05:32] <aseigo> brilliant ... well, if you have questions, you know where to ask ;)
[05:36] <jpowers> you're a total rockstar, man
[05:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i find out the device name for my dvd player?
[05:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think apps might be trying to grab the wrong device and that's what's making them freeze.
[05:42] <razerslut> can someone help me with amarok? i am getting this error: /dev/dsp already in use by another program
[05:43] <jpowers> razerslut: you probably need the arts plugin for amarok
[05:43] <razerslut> i already have it
[05:43] <razerslut> do i need to configure it to use a certain device or anything?
[05:43] <jpowers> razerslut: are your other sounds working in kde?
[05:43] <jpowers> you need to configure it to actually use the arts plugin
[05:44] <jpowers> er, "it" in my last statement means amarok
[05:44] <razerslut> actually i am using gnome, is that a potential problem?
[05:44] <jpowers> yes
[05:44] <razerslut> yeah, i set it to the arts engine
[05:44] <razerslut> and now i am getting that error
[05:44] <jpowers> esd takes over /dev/dsp, I think
[05:44] <razerslut> an app named esd is using my /dev/dsp
[05:45] <jpowers> razerslut: esd is the gnome sound daemon
[05:45] <jpowers> er, enlightenment sound daemon
[05:45] <jpowers> razerslut: you need to find a way to get esd to play with amarok
[05:46] <jpowers> razerslut: you might have better luck in #ubuntu
[05:47] <jpowers> razerslut: #kubuntu is generally kde.
[05:47] <razerslut> thank you
[05:47] <jpowers> razerslut: also try googling, the top result is this http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=308965 which looks like it might be useful.  I'd read the whole thing first.
[05:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> WHAT Dvd playing app is most likely to work well in ubuntu?
[05:50] <delltony> xine ;)
[05:50] <thunderbolt> I'm having a bit of trouble with KDE system sound...
[05:50] <thunderbolt> I can get XMMS to work, and play CDs, but not KDE based applications.
[05:51] <delltony> BROKEN_LADDER, kaffeine will play dvds too i have mine linked to use xine as a backend
[05:52] <thunderbolt> hmm
[05:52] <thunderbolt> well xmms is set to use OSS, setting that in the control center doesn't help
[05:53] <jpowers> thunderbolt: did you start with kde?
[05:53] <jpowers> thunderbolt: or did you start with gnome?
[05:53] <thunderbolt> jpowers: I started with KDE
[05:53] <thunderbolt> installed from the Kubuntu CD
[05:54] <jpowers> thunderbolt: me too.  I'm not having issues with arts, though.
[05:54] <jpowers> thunderbolt: is arts running?
[05:54] <thunderbolt> jpowers: lemme check, it was yesterday
[05:54] <thunderbolt> jpowers: yep, artsd is running
[05:55] <jpowers> thunderbolt: and you get no sound?
[05:55] <jpowers> thunderbolt: like, do you get notification noises?
[05:55] <jpowers> when you have an error, etc?
[05:55] <thunderbolt> jpowers: no notification sounds at all.
[05:55] <thunderbolt> jpowers: I can just play sound files in xmms, and CDs in KsCD.
[05:56] <jpowers> thunderbolt: you might check your arts settings
[05:56] <thunderbolt> jpowers: thanks
[05:56] <jpowers> thunderbolt: I know that's not much help
[05:56] <delltony> what is the idle set to i set mine down to 2 
[05:57] <delltony> cause kde will block the sounds otherwise
[05:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> i install totem-xine but it doesn't appear anywhere
[05:57] <thunderbolt> I have mine around 60
[05:57] <thunderbolt> jpowers: atleast I know what config file to look in now :-)
[05:57] <delltony> lower it to 2 and see if you magically get sound
[05:57] <skalpel> where can i find info about quodlibet?
[05:58] <thunderbolt> delltony: did so, no luck yet.
[05:59] <delltony> cause  thats what i changed when i had an issue with sound
[05:59] <thunderbolt> *nods*
[05:59] <delltony> it would never play and i set it to 2 and then it worked cause the sound was getting blocked
[05:59] <jpowers> skalpel: google?
[05:59] <delltony> have you looked at alsamixer
[05:59] <delltony> and set the pcm all the way up
[05:59] <jpowers> skalpel: what kind of info do you want?
[05:59] <delltony> my sound system is all borked on this lappy
[06:00] <delltony> pcm controls some headphones other
[06:00] <delltony> and 3d others
[06:00] <skalpel> if i wanted to switch to kde from gnome, would it just be easier to install kubuntu?
[06:00] <skalpel> or no
[06:00] <delltony> master doesn't do jac
[06:00] <jpowers> skalpel: I had success with apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:00] <thunderbolt> delltony: thanks, PCM works, based on how it effects xmms
[06:01] <delltony> so you now have sound?
[06:01] <thunderbolt> delltony: yeah, I have sound in XMMS, but no sound for notifications in KDE based apps, like kaffeine, kopete, or amorak
[06:01] <thunderbolt> delltony: or ability to play files in kaffeine or amorak
[06:02] <delltony> let me see what my sound system is set too
[06:02] <thunderbolt> *nods*
[06:02] <delltony> what is yours set to?
[06:03] <delltony> mines on advanced linux Sound Arch...
[06:03] <thunderbolt> delltony: mine was set on autodetect, then oss
[06:03] <thunderbolt> I haven't tried ALSA today
[06:04] <delltony> do that
[06:04] <delltony> oss never worked for me
[06:04] <delltony> or autodetect
[06:05] <delltony> and just set that idle thing to 2 you can set it higher thats up to you but i like quick response
[06:05] <thunderbolt> no luck yet
[06:05] <thunderbolt> and kaffiene seems to have crashed..
[06:05] <delltony> so you getting nada on the test sound
[06:05] <thunderbolt> nope
[06:05] <thunderbolt> nada
[06:05] <delltony> and you have checked the sliders in alsamixer?
[06:06] <thunderbolt> yup
[06:06] <thunderbolt> everything's on
[06:06] <thunderbolt> and I still get audio from XMMS
[06:06] <delltony> hmm just curious try closing xmms
[06:07] <delltony> and then doing a sound test
[06:07] <thunderbolt> nada
[06:12] <delltony> it is set to fullduplex right?
[06:12] <thunderbolt> nope
[06:12] <thunderbolt> everything is off
[06:13] <thunderbolt> turned it on, no change.
[06:14] <skalpel> when i play music using amarok i dont get any sound from the speakers, can someone help me?
[06:16] <delltony> thunderbolt, try this as a last resort http://home.earthlink.net/~maddocksfamily/data/Installing%20ALSA%20from%20scratch.pdf
[06:16] <thunderbolt> skalpel: have you tried in xmms?
[06:16] <skalpel> i tested my sound and it worked fine
[06:16] <skalpel> i am only having this trouble with amarok
[06:20] <supernix> can someone help me get firefox working again ?
[06:22] <skalpel> jpowers: are you still there?
[06:22] <jpowers> skalpel: yeah.
[06:23] <skalpel> jpowers: i used install kubuntu-desktop like you said
[06:23] <skalpel> and switched over to kdm in ubuntu config
[06:23] <skalpel> do i need to restart x windows now?
[06:29] <jpowers> hrm
[06:30] <skalpel> can someone help me with switching from gnome to kde?
[06:30] <jpowers> did it not switch?
[06:30] <skalpel> not automatically
[06:30] <skalpel> do i need to apply it through synaptic?
[06:30] <jpowers> is it still popping open gdm when you restart x?
[06:30] <skalpel> it is
[06:30] <skalpel> i logged off, instead of rebooting
[06:30] <skalpel> should i reboot instead?
[06:30] <jpowers> nah
[06:31] <skalpel> the kde apps are showing up in the gnome menus but that is all
[06:31] <jpowers> you can probably log off, go to a different vt and then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop and sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[06:31] <skalpel> alright
[06:32] <skalpel> i will try
[06:32] <jpowers> I'm off to bed
[06:32] <jpowers> good luck
[06:34] <skalpel> can someone help me with switching from gnome to kde?
[06:36] <thunderbolt> skalpel: did you use the kubuntu-desktop package?
[06:36] <thunderbolt> that's the only advice I can give
[06:36] <thunderbolt> off hand
[06:36] <skalpel> i used install kubuntu-desktop
[06:37] <skalpel> i tried it again now i am getting this erro: jon@ubuntu:~$ install kubuntu-desktop
[06:37] <skalpel> install: too few arguments
[06:37] <skalpel> Try `install --help' for more information.
[06:38] <thunderbolt> you have to use the command apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:38] <skalpel> alright
[06:38] <thunderbolt> you'll have to use sudo
[06:38] <thunderbolt> so you will type the command : sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:39] <skalpel> i am using synaptic right now so i will have to wait
[06:40] <thunderbolt> it should be listed in synaptic... I think at least
[06:40] <thunderbolt> *nods*
[06:41] <skalpel> what should i do after i have installed it using synaptic?
[06:41] <skalpel> anything?
[06:41] <thunderbolt> logout, I would think
[06:42] <skalpel> ok
[06:42] <skalpel> ii would think so too
[06:42] <skalpel> =)
[06:42] <thunderbolt> :)
[06:42] <thunderbolt> it might require a restart...
[06:42] <thunderbolt> but I don't think so
[06:45] <skalpel> gnome restarted itself while the kde is still installing itself
[06:45] <skalpel> think it means anything?
[06:46] <thunderbolt> don't know
[06:47] <skalpel> alright i will attempt to re-login now.
[06:48] <d> Anyone know the page for requesting packages for inclusion into Breezy?
[06:49] <d> is wired (the musivc prog) in breezy already, BTW?
[06:49] <delltony> d nope but if you find it tell them to add jenna jameson virtual sex :D
[06:49] <d> that was what i wanted to request
[06:50] <delltony> i know one thing i want for sure. is someone to figure out how to either use the paltalk network on linux or a progam that will allow paltalk to run in linux
[06:50] <delltony> i have tried frankscorner didn't work
[06:51] <skalpel> well i got a kubuntu login but i am still using gnome
[06:51] <skalpel> any idea why?
[06:51] <delltony> tried winetools, wine and all kinda ther stuff
[06:51] <delltony> change your session
[06:51] <thunderbolt> under the options menu at the login, I'm pretty sure.
[06:51] <skalpel> ok
[06:55] <skalpel> how can i de-install kde and go back to gnome?
[06:56] <thunderbolt> will sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop work?
[06:57] <skalpel> it looks good so far
[06:57] <thunderbolt> k, cool
[06:57] <skalpel> brb
[06:58] <d> anyone know what the kde program to disable/enable daemons is called?
[07:00] <skalpel> that did not work. any other way i can remove the kubuntu login?
[07:00] <delltony> d you asked that earlier and i told you to get a program called "bum" or rcconf either of them will wor
[07:00] <thunderbolt> skalpel: apt-get remove kdm
[07:01] <skalpel> alright
[07:02] <cak3p> skalpel: apt-get remove kdm <-- but it will remove kubuntu-desktop too?
[07:03] <thunderbolt> cak3p: it wont
[07:03] <thunderbolt> you'll have to do that package by package
[07:03] <skalpel> k i am back in gnome, thank you
[07:03] <thunderbolt> your welcome.
[07:03] <thunderbolt> I don't know if you still have the KDE packages
[07:04] <insanekane> skalpel: thats so sad :/
[07:04] <thunderbolt> you'll have to remove those one by one, prolly
[07:04] <skalpel> yes i do
[07:04] <skalpel> ha
[07:04] <skalpel> this sounds tedious
[07:04] <skalpel> is it
[07:04] <insanekane> skalpel: just remove arts ... everything goes with it
[07:04] <skalpel> how do i remove arts
[07:05] <insanekane> skalpel: most of kde indirectly depends on it
[07:05] <insanekane> skalpel: first, sudo apt-cache search arts
[07:05] <insanekane> skalpel: then, after u find the name
[07:05] <insanekane> skalpel: sudo apt-get remove 'arts'
[07:05] <skalpel> what do you mean after i find it
[07:06] <skalpel> jon@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get remove arts
[07:06] <skalpel> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[07:06] <skalpel> dpkg --configure -a
[07:06] <skalpel> er.
[07:08] <skalpel> Removing arts ...
[07:08] <skalpel> Setting up kdm (3.4.0-0ubuntu18) ...
[07:08] <skalpel>  * Reloading K Display Manager configuration...                          [fail] 
[07:08] <skalpel> invoke-rc.d: initscript kdm, action "reload" failed.
[07:08] <skalpel> what does that mean?
[07:09] <cak3p> I think your default setting is gdm
[07:09] <skalpel> it is, i see that when i am logging on
[07:09] <skalpel> but it says gdm is not running
[07:09] <skalpel> i guess i should re-install it?
[07:11] <cak3p> try to $ dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[07:11] <cak3p> soori if I wrong... coz i newbie for linux
[07:11] <skalpel> k that worked, it looks like
[07:11] <skalpel> it is okay
[07:11] <skalpel> i think that did it
[07:12] <skalpel> im newer than you i think =)
[07:12] <cak3p> :d
[07:12] <cak3p> it's work
[07:12] <cak3p> ?
[07:12] <skalpel> lets see. brb
[07:13] <cak3p> ok
[07:16] <skalpel> removing the 'arts' package did not uninstall all the kde apps
[07:16] <skalpel> does anyone know of another easy way to get rid of them?
[07:17] <thunderbolt> can't think of anyway
[07:21] <supernix> 9484
[07:21] <supernix> sldfkjasf;alskjf
[07:21] <supernix> HIYA
[07:21] <supernix> :D
[07:22] <delltony> skalpel, try sudo apt-get install apt-show-versions
[07:22] <delltony> once installed type apt-show-versions | grep kde
[07:23] <supernix> delltony: I rebooted into KDE and now my FireFox works
[07:23] <delltony> then go uninstalling one by one 
[07:23] <supernix> it would not work in Gnome though
[07:23] <skalpel> well i found a menu editor i can use, so it should be easier
[07:23] <supernix> ty for your help
[07:23] <delltony> thats the main reason i stopped using gnome
[07:23] <delltony> i had to write a program to do menus and i go this is crap
[07:24] <delltony> so i switched
[07:24] <supernix> What are you talking about writing menus ?
[07:24] <delltony> in gnome there wasn't a menu editor use to be but they standardized it
[07:25] <delltony> and  you then had to do those stupid desktop files
[07:26] <delltony> so i just made a little phpgtk program that ask you all the info and generated the file
[07:26] <supernix> OIC that is slick thinking
[07:26] <skalpel> k i have a problem, in my xchat right click menu th open in browser menu is now using konqueror instead of firefox, how can i fix this?
[07:28] <supernix> does anyone else have a problem getting the help file for Xchat to open ?
[07:28] <supernix> everytime I click on the help file for Xchat it messes up
[07:28] <supernix> well wont display
[07:29] <delltony> supernix, go to #xchat and bitch at them like i did ;)
[07:30] <supernix> LOL what was you bitching at them about ?
[08:13] <ilba7r> there is a package that install debian menus in gnome application menu i forgot what it is and where i can find it any help is appreciated
[08:15] <_maydayjay_> ilba7r - sudo apt-get install menu
[08:16] <ilba7r> thanx
[08:16] <ilba7r> does kubuntu have special repos or is it included in ubuntu now
[08:16] <_maydayjay_> ilba7r - you might need to do update-menus after you install it.
[08:17] <_maydayjay_> ilba7r - kubuntu is included in the regular repositories
[08:17] <ilba7r> ok thanx i thought i had to use the old repos
[08:17] <ilba7r> thanx again
[08:18] <_maydayjay_> ilba7r - you still need to install kubuntu w/ apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:18] <ilba7r> i know
[08:18] <doctor_salvia> how do you activate the nvidia-glx drivers?
[08:18] <ilba7r> may i used to install it via kde
[08:18] <ilba7r> can i still do that now?
[08:20] <doctor_salvia> EARTAKER IS GAY
[08:20] <eartaker> lol no
[08:21] <doctor_salvia> oh he is though
[08:21] <doctor_salvia> lol
[08:21] <eartaker> oh but no
[08:21] <doctor_salvia> lol
[08:21] <doctor_salvia> (01:43:42) xXxviriixXx: (01:42:10) xXxviriixXx: TIck TIck TIck <((BOOM))>  *look*  "OMFG" mimes... /\/\+/\/\3z THEY BLEW UP ME HOUSE!!
[08:21] <doctor_salvia> (01:42:31) xKsama: you need. therapy.
[08:21] <doctor_salvia> (01:42:36) xKsama: or drugs or something.
[08:21] <doctor_salvia> (01:42:45) xXxviriixXx: that boy needs thereapy
[08:21] <doctor_salvia> (01:42:50) xXxviriixXx: no shit i need drugs
[08:21] <doctor_salvia> (01:42:58) xXxviriixXx: im feindin for an 8 ball
[08:21] <doctor_salvia> (01:43:05) xXxviriixXx: got crack on my mind
[08:21] <doctor_salvia> (01:43:21) xKsama: shut the fuck up you pathetic peice of shit.
[08:22] <doctor_salvia> (01:43:25) xKsama: I mean ... I love you.
[08:22] <doctor_salvia> (01:43:32) xXxviriixXx: awwwwww
[08:22] <doctor_salvia> (01:43:36) xXxviriixXx: *hugs*
[08:22] <doctor_salvia> OH SHIT
[08:22] <doctor_salvia> accidently hit paste
[08:22] <eartaker> wtf?
[08:22] <doctor_salvia> anyway...
[08:22] <eartaker> lol
[08:22] <doctor_salvia> (01:43:42) xXxviriixXx: (01:42:10) xXxviriixXx: TIck TIck TIck <((BOOM))>  *look*  "OMFG" mimes... /\/\+/\/\3z THEY BLEW UP ME HOUSE!!
[08:22] <doctor_salvia> (01:42:31) xKsama: you need. therapy.
[08:22] <doctor_salvia> (01:42:36) xKsama: or drugs or something.
[08:22] <eartaker> so... how to activate nvidia drivers
[08:22] <doctor_salvia> (01:42:45) xXxviriixXx: that boy needs thereapy
[08:22] <doctor_salvia> (01:42:50) xXxviriixXx: no shit i need drugs
[08:22] <doctor_salvia> (01:42:58) xXxviriixXx: im feindin for an 8 ball
[08:22] <doctor_salvia> (01:43:05) xXxviriixXx: got crack on my mind
[08:23] <doctor_salvia> (01:43:21) xKsama: shut the fuck up you pathetic peice of shit.
[08:23] <doctor_salvia> (01:43:25) xKsama: I mean ... I love you.
[08:23] <eartaker> ?
[08:23] <doctor_salvia> (01:43:32) xXxviriixXx: awwwwww
[08:23] <doctor_salvia> (01:43:36) xXxviriixXx: *hugs*
[08:23] <doctor_salvia> FUCK
[08:23] <doctor_salvia> it wont let me copy shit on the screen
[08:23] <doctor_salvia> and it keeps pasting this gay shit
[08:23] <doctor_salvia> im so gonna get flamed
[08:23] <doctor_salvia> FUCK
[08:23] <doctor_salvia> dude, nobody else is talking in here though... i say we refer to the ubuntu channel
[08:24] <eartaker> k
[08:24] <doctor_salvia> file> join channel
[08:24] <doctor_salvia> type in ubuntu
[08:24] <eartaker> k
[08:54] <Mose`> could someone help? ;}
[08:59] <insanekane> Mose`: regarding ?
[09:00] <Mose`> i've got an error while ./configure/ing
[09:00] <Mose`> smth like this
[09:00] <Mose`> "checking for libz... configure: error: not found. Possibly configure picks up an outdated version installed by XFree86. Remove it from your system."
[09:00] <Mose`> where to get those libz?
[09:02] <insanekane> hmm ..
[09:02] <insanekane> ok .. it depends ..
[09:02] <insanekane> Mose`: you need to tell me which lib specifically
[09:02] <insanekane> Mose`: if you can't tell me at present ..
[09:03] <insanekane> then what you can do is search for the offending lib something like this ..
[09:03] <insanekane> for e.g.
[09:03] <insanekane> suppose the lib is libatk
[09:03] <insanekane> then, you need to do ..
[09:03] <insanekane> sudo apt-cache search libatk
[09:03] <insanekane> it will give you a few lines as output
[09:04] <Mose`> mhm
[09:04] <insanekane> look for libatk_xxx-dev (where xxx is some specific library version) ... the dev means the development headers etc (needed for ./configure and make)
[09:04] <insanekane> then, once you have the specific package name
[09:04] <insanekane> you do
[09:05] <insanekane> sudo apt-get install libatk1.0-0
[09:05] <insanekane> sudo apt-get install libatk1.0-0-dev
[09:05] <insanekane> sudo apt-get install libatk1.0-0-dev <- this is the correct one
[09:05] <insanekane> after you have the development headers, then you are set for ./configure
[09:05] <Mose`> ok, i'll try it
[09:05] <insanekane> Mose`: i have another question for you: why do u want to compile it ?
[09:06] <Mose`> you mean what app?
[09:06] <insanekane> Mose`: did you try looking if the appropriate package is already available in the Kubuntu repos ?
[09:06] <Mose`> mhm, no..
[09:06] <insanekane> yes, what app are you trying to compile ?
[09:06] <insanekane> ah okl
[09:06] <insanekane> ok
[09:06] <Mose`> kdmtheme
[09:06] <insanekane> in that case, the apt-cache/apt-get stuff is what you need to do
[09:06] <Mose`> and one more, idon't remember it's name..
[09:07] <insanekane> ok
[09:07] <Mose`> ok, thanks
[09:07] <insanekane> np
[09:18] <Mose`> mhm i've installed libatk but that error appears again..
[09:19] <insanekane> err
[09:19] <insanekane> Mose`: libatk was just an example :)
[09:19] <insanekane> Mose`: you have to find the appropriate lib to install
[09:20] <Mose`> :))
[09:22] <insanekane> Mose`: as I siad earlier ... tell me the exact error 
[09:22] <insanekane> Mose`: and i will tell you which lib to install
[09:22] <Mose`> copy it here? :}
[09:22] <insanekane> Mose`: either as a prv messgae to me ..
[09:31] <PD> Hi ppl
[09:32] <PD> when ever i open anything related to KDE i get an error message "Could not find mime type application/octet-stream"
[09:32] <PD> I click on this and then it opens
[09:33] <PD> Also my start up sound also has stopped with this error message showing
[09:38] <insanekane> Mose`: sorry I couldn't help further ... Riddell is the boss. perhaps you should ask him :)
[09:38] <Mose`> ok :}
[09:57] <insanekane> bbl
[10:10] <buz> yeah firefox 1.0.6 in the repos
[10:10] <buz> now how did THAT happen
[10:10] <buz> can we expect current firefox and thunderbird in the future?
[10:11] <hussam> buz: I doubt it.
[10:11] <buz> so this is just a fluke?
[10:12] <buz> Preparing to replace mozilla-firefox 1.0.2-0ubuntu5.4 (using .../mozilla-firefox_1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb)
[10:12] <hussam> buz: I think it was exception. they had to do that to fix an extesnsion api bug
[10:12] <buz> mhh
[10:12] <buz> i dont quite get the reason behind not updating browsers
[10:13] <buz> supposedly it is to protect from breakage
[10:13] <buz> only i cant really imagine what sort of breakage that could possibly inflict
[10:13] <buz> especially seeing that kubuntu does stuff like kde 3.4.1 repos
[10:13] <guillaumeh> hi
[10:14] <buz> which would have much higher chances for serious breakage
[10:14] <thoreauputic> any skype users who could call me to test my setup?
[10:14] <guillaumeh> i
[10:15] <guillaumeh> has anybody managed to make the audiocd:/ protocol work with mp3 ?
[10:15] <hussam> I doubt that. firefox 1.0.x are just bug fixes. they contain no new features. and 1.0.6 seems very stable.
[10:15] <buz> which is why i dont see why they get distributed really
[10:15] <buz> its not even used by anything besides extensions
[10:15] <gnajar> Hi; I'm new to Linux and I started with Kubuntu; I have a question regardin Open Office 2 Install
[10:16] <buz> (which did break because of NOT being uptodate)
[10:16] <gnajar> Anybody has installed latest 1.9.118 on Kubuntu?
[10:16] <buz> gnajar: it works, but you must do it by hand
[10:16] <gnajar> Anybody has installed latest OOffice 1.9.118 on Kubuntu?
[10:17] <hussam> buz: the extensions breaking was a mistake. and I doubt mozilla.org will pull the same mistake again in the furture.
[10:17] <gnajar> I did it by hand; and when I started Writer, I got the initial window with a wired font
[10:17] <buz> its a ubuntu mistake
[10:17] <hussam> gnajar: I have 1.9.121
[10:17] <buz> mozilla wants people to use the newest versio
[10:17] <buz> which makes sense
[10:17] <buz> if you dont run the newest versions they dont supply extensions
[10:18] <buz> 121 is out?
[10:18] <buz> gna just when i downloaded 118 yesterday
[10:18] <hussam> buz: well you can't blame them. some people would be still on 0.8 
[10:18] <buz> as i say, i applaud to mozilla for that choice
[10:18] <buz> i fully blame ubuntu for not adhering to it
[10:19] <gnajar> hussam: I installed manually 1.9.18, yet I get a windings type font when starting any OOOffice application
[10:19] <buz> mhh hussam where did you get oo M121???
[10:20] <hussam> buz: http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/SRC680_m121/Build-1/OOo_SRC680_m121_en-US_native_LinuxIntel_install_deb.tar.gz
[10:20] <buz> wtf 
[10:20] <buz> i cant even find a 121 RPM
[10:20] <hussam> this is deb
[10:20] <buz> http://download.openoffice.org/680/index.html
[10:20] <buz> i'll stick to official releases i think
[10:22] <hussam> these are community builds. they are real good.
[10:22] <buz> hey nice 118 looks much more native than 113 before it
[10:22] <buz> not perfectly kde but still much better
[10:23] <hussam> the icons on the toolbar are too small or too large depending on setting,
[10:23] <buz> at least the colors are right now
[10:23] <buz> before it was some weird looking icy metal style
[10:23] <buz> fuly
[10:23] <buz> fugly
[10:24] <buz> when is 2.0 supposed to be final, anyway
[10:25] <hussam> not sure but I think there are still too many bugs to fix before 2.0
[10:25] <buz> it seems quite useable by now
[10:26] <buz> not perfect tho
[10:26] <buz> still some weird crashes
[10:26] <hussam> I think we will se a m200
[10:28] <PieD> 2.0 should be released for september
[10:28] <PieD> __should__
[10:28] <PieD> so it means : "not before october" :p
[10:29] <hussam> buz: the community builds I'm running are excellent.
[10:29] <buz> mhh m200 is easily possible at about 3 milestones a week ;)
[10:29] <hussam> and they are deb ;)
[10:29] <PieD> alien does a good job on the rpm files
[10:29] <buz> i just feed them to rpm2cpio
[10:29] <PieD> something nice : the official rpms include the KDE look'n'feel
[10:29] <Mose`> i've a *.rar file with pass protected and i want to extract it with ark, but it doesn't ask for pass and pop-ups an error ... what to do?
[10:30] <PieD> the only lacks are dialogs and icons, but the widgets are the KDE ones
[10:30] <PieD> Mose`: extract it from a console :/
[10:30] <PieD> please wait, I'm going to give you the command
[10:30] <buz> what is wrong today
[10:30] <Mose`> ok
[10:31] <hussam> they give kde look in kde and gtk look in xfce
[10:31] <buz> my cable goes down unexpectedly
[10:31] <buz> mhh
[10:31] <buz> i just remember there was note about cable network upgrades some days ago
[10:31] <buz> maybe that
[10:31] <PieD> unrar e your_file.rar
[10:31] <PieD> It may be enough
[10:32] <Mose`> i'll try
[10:33] <Mose`> it worked, thnx
[10:35] <hussam> Mose`: does it prompt fro password from command line?
[10:38] <Mose`> yeah
[10:38] <Mose`> but it extract a lit bit longer.. :}
[10:40] <insanekane> hello all
[10:41] <Mose`> hi
[11:13] <hussam> I love how Linux is much better at handling temporary files thank windows2000/xp. Linux seems smarter in a lot of things.
[11:21] <Kejk_PL> :)
[11:33] <fromoze> Hi, someone have merged 2 ext3 partitons keeping data at least in one of them?
[11:34] <_buz> mh maybe you can resize the two gradually until only more one is left?
[11:37] <fromoze> I dunno, I never play with partitions.. :$
[11:37] <_buz> maybe qtparted can help you
[11:37] <_buz> not sure whether you can resize ext partitions
[11:38] <_buz> but if you can, that would be the approach i'd take
[11:38] <fromoze> qtparted is safe? if data will be lost it advice yoiu?
[11:42] <_buz> i'd hope so ;)
[11:42] <_buz> never used it except for nuking ntfs tho
[11:46] <nikkia> personally, i'd be very weary of calling anything that writes to the partition table 'safe'
[11:46] <nikkia> if you stand to lose if the partitions are toasted, you should step back, backup, and then start :)
[11:48] <McScruff> lo
[11:48] <guillaumeh> yes, make backups first
[11:48] <jcoxon> hi everyone
[11:49] <fromoze> I'd backup first sure :)
[11:49] <guillaumeh> i've tried to resize a reiserfs partition once, 2/3 or my files were lost
[11:49] <McScruff> is there a way to put an RSS feed on my desktop (like on xbox media center)?
[11:49] <fromoze> but, I see I must recreate the partitions :/... I can't merge or resize ext3.
[11:49] <fromoze> at least, qtparted say me that 
[11:51] <jcoxon> hi, having a problem with getting sound on kubuntu - got a via8237 card and can't get it set up, any tips?
[11:52] <jcoxon> if i turn up the speakers i can faintly hear music (but if i use a different source like a cd player the speakers work fine)
[11:52] <fromoze> jcoxon, have you see your alsamixer values?
[11:53] <fromoze> jcoxon, try kmixer to configure sound outputs
[11:53] <jcoxon> fromoze: yeah, i've turned everything up
[11:54] <nikkia> jcoxon: that almost sounds like its playing to the wrong output
[11:55] <nikkia> the 'faint music' would be crosstalk between the sound cards outputs
[11:56] <jcoxon> nikkia: so check which plug the speakers are connected to?
[11:56] <nikkia> as you probably know, modern AC97 based cards generally support reconfigurable output groups for surround, if alsa is directing its output to the 'rear' speakers, which is probably the line-in socket, then you'd get something like what you describe
[11:56] <nikkia> jcoxon: yes, and no....
[11:56] <jcoxon> nikkia: okay i understand
[11:56] <nikkia> jcoxon: it sounds, from your cd player comment, that the speakers are plugged in the right socket (the green one), so you might want to check that alsa is routing audio to the right speakers
[11:57] <jcoxon> my case has speaker ports at the front as well
[11:57] <jcoxon> i'll look into it, thanks for the pointers
[12:03] <_buz> is it normal that webdav uploads from konqueror don't show progress during file upload/upload rate?
[12:07] <nikkia> rats!
[12:08] <nikkia> all my KDE menu items have vanished, and kcontrol brings up a blank list
[12:08] <apokryphos> :-O
[12:08] <_buz> mhh that happened with kubuntu sometime before the release :(
[12:08] <_buz> you got backups?
[12:08] <apokryphos> nikkia: did all things compile properly? You're running stable, right?
[12:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm running LFS, KDE 3.4.1
[12:09] <nikkia> apokryphos: and sort of, everything except kdebindings compiled
[12:09] <nikkia> kdebindings refused to compile, claiming Qt requires tmake *shrug*
[12:09] <apokryphos> nah, but that stuff not working hints that something went wrong with kdelibs/base
[12:11] <nikkia> if i rebuild those, will i have to rebuild every other kde part?
[12:12] <apokryphos> Perhaps not actually; the others depend on it, but you might get away with just rebuilding them
[12:14] <nikkia> i don't understand tho, i build kdebase on sunday, everything was fine yesterday
[12:19] <nikkia> aha
[12:19] <nikkia> settings:/// works in konqueror now
[12:19] <nikkia> and the menu's have reappeared
[12:19] <nikkia> (half way thru make install on kdelibs :)
[12:20] <nikkia> aha! and kde wallet appears in settings:/// now :)
[12:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: looks like i got away with it
[12:24] <apokryphos> nikkia: cool!
[12:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: and its redetected all the menus of stuff that wasn't showing up before (my menus were left overs from kubuntu *shrug*)
[12:25] <nikkia> i would like to know how to create that second menu button that kubuntu has tho
[12:25] <insanekane> nikkia: second menu button ?
[12:25] <apokryphos> it's in KDE svn actually, you know
[12:25] <nikkia> insanekane: with the konqueror shortcuts for media:/ etc
[12:25] <apokryphos> insanekane: settings one
[12:25] <insanekane> nikkia: do you mean the system menu ?
[12:25] <insanekane> yes ..
[12:26] <insanekane> right-click panel->Add to Panel-> Special Button -> SYstem
[12:26] <nikkia> ahh, thanks
[12:26] <apokryphos> insanekane: I don't think it comes in a default KDE
[12:26] <apokryphos> it does? :-O
[12:27] <nikkia> yes, it does
[12:27] <nikkia> in 3.4.1 at least
[12:27] <Egg098> any hints on solving this? (no sound at all)
[12:27] <apokryphos> hm, so it does. Cool.
[12:27] <Egg098> http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot19tn.jpg
[12:28] <nikkia> cool, and now audiocd:/// is working, even with autofs running
[12:28] <nikkia> Egg098: looks like alsa isn't setup right
[12:28] <insanekane> np
[12:28] <nikkia> Egg098: a botched /etc/asound.conf would be my guess
[12:29] <Egg098> thanks, i'll take a look
[12:30] <Egg098> /etc/asound.conf doesn't exist, guess i'm missing a package or 5
[12:30] <nikkia> no, it shouldn't exist by default, but ...
[12:30] <nikkia> check ~/.asoundrc too
[12:31] <nikkia> if neither exist, then either alsa isn't loaded (hotplug maybe didn't find your soundcard) or something else is blocking audio
[12:31] <Egg098> ok thanks
[12:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: the really hard step of LFS, is going to be getting it to use debian's ifupdown :)
[12:32] <apokryphos> nikkia: is it that good?
[12:32] <nikkia> its kind of ironic, a couple of years ago, i thought /etc/network/interfaces was an abomination, now, i can't live with the old way
[12:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: the ability to define up/pre-up/down/post-down scripts is worth it, IMO
[12:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: its far more SysV like than the old way
[12:35] <nikkia> especially if you define stuff using the .d directories
[12:35] <nikkia> (which is one thing i didn't like about kubuntu vs other debians - no /etc/profile.d
[12:35] <apokryphos> Never really used it much; only when setting up a static IP (which was trivial with network/interfaces) 
[12:35] <apokryphos> what others you tried out?
[12:35] <nikkia> debians? just debian on a couple of platforms, and knoppix
[12:36] <nikkia> i found it a bit odd that [k] ubuntu threw out the /etc/profile.d stuff, its very useful
[12:36] <apokryphos> After trying Debian/Ubuntu I think they're God's gift, though not biased enough to never switch distro
[12:36] <nikkia> far better than one big monolithic /etc/profile
[12:38] <nikkia> apokryphos: well, my switch to LFS wasn't because of any real flaw in kubuntu, i do think kubuntu is great, and it'll be going on my work PC when i get chance to reinstall (knoppix is there atm)
[12:38] <nikkia> apokryphos: my 'need' for LFS is just a shortcoming in all distros except one, and i'm not touching THAT one :)
[12:39] <apokryphos> all things I seem to here about a Knoppix installation seem to be bad :|
[12:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: knoppix is ok if you tell it to be basically debian+'bits of knoppix'
[12:39] <apokryphos> are you talking about Gentoo? :P
[12:39] <nikkia> apok, no, worse
[12:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: there's only one distro that is using cutting edge packages *AND* considers jack the way forward with getting audio working :)
[12:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: you'll never guess it, its not the distro you'd picture as being the answer to that statement :)
[12:40] <nikkia> 'linspire'
[12:40] <apokryphos> :-o
[12:40] <apokryphos> cutting edge with packages, really?
[12:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: the beta stuff is, yes
[12:40] <apokryphos> (suffice it to say there's very few things that emerge doesn't have, though)
[12:40] <nikkia> none of this '12 month old packages'
[12:41] <nikkia> shame the rest of the distro is so bad :)
[12:41] <apokryphos> for a great package system you need a lot of people, but Linspire's not *that* popular, is it?
[12:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: part of it is because sound IS a mess on linux in general, and none of the distros seem to be trying to remedy that really
[12:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: linspire claims to be 'user friendly' so going with a way to get sound working 'flawlessly' (and that pretty much means ditching everything except jack right now), is probably the right thing for them to do
[12:43] <apokryphos> and what's bad about it?
[12:43] <nikkia> ditching perhaps isn't the right word there, you can make esd and artsd talk to jack, and that is the right thing to do if you have jack setup right
[12:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: about linspire?
[12:43] <apokryphos> yah
[12:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: linspire is lindows
[12:44] <thoreauputic> nikkia: configuring jack is a royal pain at the moment, IMO
[12:44] <nikkia> thoreauputic: in what way ?
[12:44] <nikkia> thoreauputic: the only hard part, i can see, is getting jackd running before the desktop
[12:45] <thoreauputic> nikkia: well, i'm no guru, and I find the docs opaque
[12:45] <nikkia> thoreauputic: assuming alsa is up and running, 'jackd -R -d alsa' before anything else, should suffice
[12:46] <thoreauputic> but I only messed with it for a while - trying to get Rosegarden working: and yes, i start it more or less like that
[12:46] <nikkia> it will be messy if you want multiple KDE sessions, but then, artsd is already messy in that situation
[12:46] <thoreauputic> nikkia: I'm sure it's easy if you know how ;)
[12:47] <thoreauputic> I don't (yet)
[12:47] <nikkia> thoreauputic: you need stuff like arts built against jack, which kubuntu's aren't
[12:47] <thoreauputic> ah
[12:47] <nikkia> same with ubuntu's esd, iirc
[12:48] <thoreauputic> nikkia: I'm using dmix, and I've turned esd off permanently because it interfered with just about anything I tried 
[12:48] <thoreauputic> I have a deep and lasting hatred dor esd I fear ;-)
[12:48] <thoreauputic> *for
[12:49] <nikkia> yeah, me too
[12:49] <nikkia> its one of the reasons i can't stand gnome :P
[12:49] <nikkia> those god awful beeps when you start it don't help :P
[12:49] <thoreauputic> hmm.. I mostly run fluxbox now, but KDE is nice too
[12:50] <thoreauputic> KDE is more advanced and usable than gnome IMO - so far anyway
[12:51] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: how's fluxbox doing? Haven't tried it in quite some while
[12:52] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I like it - the hoary version unfortunately has a fonts issue but I compiled it with --disable-xmb and it runs fine now
[12:52] <thoreauputic> the hoary package was slow as molasses in january
[12:52] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: why fluxbox? (genuine interest)
[12:53] <thoreauputic> personal preference - I like its configurability and it's easy to hack around
[12:54] <thoreauputic> and of course it is quick
[12:54] <nikkia> i used to like sawfish for that reason
[12:54] <apokryphos> looks very smooth -- checking out some of the screenies
[12:54] <nikkia> altho it was always a PITA to get sawfish to work properly within KDE
[12:55] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: the tabbed windows are nice if you like having a lot of windows open
[12:56] <nikkia> think it was/is
[12:56] <apokryphos> nikkia: that's available in kde svn
[12:56] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, that helps me atm, NOT
[12:57] <apokryphos> hehe
[12:57] <nikkia> apokryphos: besides, if it was sawfish, it was available there 6 years ago :P
[12:57] <apokryphos> nikkia: it means it's coming, at least ;-)
[12:57] <apokryphos> Yeah, it should have been added ages ago. I don't know why it doesn't; devs seem to use multiple desktops a lot
[12:57] <nikkia> i use 12 :P
[12:57] <thoreauputic> nikkia: you can do that with the "fluxter" pager too, although with scroll-wheel desktop changing I don't use it much
[12:58] <apokryphos> 12 -- yeouch. Just what do you do?
[12:58] <apokryphos> I have four but it's a rare case that more than 2 are occupied these days
[12:58] <thoreauputic> multiple desktops are great :)
[12:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: one gets konsole + misc, one gets eclipse, another gets firefox, another gets gimp, another gets thunderbird, and so on
[12:59] <apokryphos> nikkia: not a kontact user? ;-)
[12:59] <nikkia> apokryphos: i was using 9, which was just about useful, but i occasional ran into situations where i needed 2-3 gimp screens
[12:59] <apokryphos> See, I'd never have different desktops for mail, browser etc
[01:00] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: its a matter of the way you like to work - I keep mail and browsers tabbed on one desktop, gimp on one or two others, terminals tabbed on another and so on
[01:00] <nikkia> apokryphos: can you guess why '12' is the limit i won't go beyond (atm)
[01:00] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: Yup, sure.
[01:01] <nikkia> if i can get me a LK451 i'll happily go to 20 virtual screens tho :P
[01:02] <AnHu> does someone know, why the package repo of koffice 1.4.1 doesn't work?
[01:02] <nikkia> apokryphos: make sure you arrange them 4x3 in the pager, the default 6x2 takes too much space
[01:02] <AnHu> There are others, too?
[01:02] <apokryphos> nikkia: haha, it just looks like a calender
[01:02] <nikkia> apokryphos: 12 arranged as 4x3 is real nice...
[01:03] <nikkia> apokryphos: since you can access them with Ctrl-F1 to Ctrl-F12, and the function keys are in groups of 4, so each group corresponds to a row on the pager :)
[01:03] <apokryphos> nice =). It still looks like my calender though :P
[01:04] <nikkia> you only have 12 days in a month?
[01:04] <nikkia> this is one of those wacky greek things isn't it ? :)
[01:04] <ztonzy> hey fellows
[01:04] <apokryphos> nikkia: days seem to lose meaning in the summer, unless it's a working/non-working day
[01:04] <apokryphos> hi ztonzy :)
[01:05] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I'm so used to dragging windows together to tab them I forget it doesn't work in KDE ;-)
[01:06] <apokryphos> that's pretty cool
[01:06] <nikkia> ahhh, who was asking about alt-tab behaviour yesterday ?
[01:07] <nikkia> its in 'configure window behaviour/focus'
[01:07] <nikkia> (of all places)
[01:07] <nikkia> ah, wait, no its not
[01:07] <apokryphos> what, to focus the window when alt-tabbing?
[01:07] <nikkia> yes it is, weird
[01:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: no the alt-tab list
[01:08] <thoreauputic> If I want to change that stuff I just edit ~/.fluxbox/keys and add/change a line or two
[01:08] <nikkia> the focus page also has 'navigation', and setting traverse all desktops enables/disables alt-tab between all apps
[01:08] <nikkia> oddly tho, when i disabled it again, it still kept alt-tabbing between all apps for a few seconds after hitting 'apply'
[01:09] <apokryphos> but that doesn't do it just for alt-tab list
[01:10] <nikkia> apok, it affects the task list (middle mouse button) but not the taskbar list
[01:13] <apokryphos> one wonders exactly what they wanted to do...
[01:13] <nikkia> thoreauputic: btw, which version of gimp do you use ?
[01:14] <thoreauputic> nikkia: it's the standard hoary version
[01:14] <nikkia> i'm using 2.3 on here, and its quite a change
[01:14] <thoreauputic> whatever that is...
[01:14] <nikkia> they've killed the script-fu menu on editing windows
[01:14] <apokryphos> 2.2.7 in Hoary
[01:14] <nikkia> everything sits below 'filters' now
[01:14] <apokryphos> err, weird...
[01:14] <_buz> but i assume the gui is still fugly, nikkia ?
[01:14] <nikkia> about time, really
[01:14] <nikkia> buz, about as fugly as ever, yes
[01:14] <apokryphos> _buz: well, it's GTK :P
[01:14] <_buz> i'll stick to krita then
[01:15] <_buz> good enough for my usses ;)
[01:15] <apokryphos> nikkia: why should the scripts be under filters, exactly?
[01:15] <nikkia> ohhh, new tool
[01:15] <nikkia> 'align layers'
[01:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: because 99% of the scripts are filter behaviour
[01:15] <_buz> largely my graphic apps need to know how to crop images ;)
[01:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: and 'script-fu' is hardly descriptive :)
[01:16] <_buz> kubuntu.org seems to be taking a beating for the koffice debs
[01:16] <nikkia> apokryphos: adding a bevel to a layer is a filter action, IMO, not 'script-fu' whatever that means :)
[01:16] <_buz> when i started to upgrade it delivered 200k, now 60k
[01:16] <apokryphos> Do blends/waves, shadows, animators really qualify as filters?
[01:16] <nikkia> apokryphos: yes
[01:17] <apokryphos> very different to my understanding of it, then
[01:17] <apokryphos> as in, I wouldn't think of going to "filter" to get a shadow :|
[01:18] <_buz> mhh why not
[01:18] <_buz> everything that does automatic foo is a filter??
[01:18] <apokryphos> hm, Breezy seems to only have 2.2.8 in atm
[01:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: that's how it is on photoshop, that's where people expect drop shadowing to be :)
[01:18] <apokryphos> _buz: really? 
[01:19] <apokryphos> nikkia: is that their target market?
[01:19] <apokryphos> gnome approach seems to be more for "new users to computers", rather than x-windows-users
[01:19] <apokryphos> that's why they try to avoid "Apply" and have instant activation for their things etc
[01:19] <nikkia> apokryphos: gimp doesn't fit THAT market
[01:19] <apokryphos> apparently that's how we originally associate the metaphor 8)
[01:20] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, cos photoshop hasn't had 'previewing' filters since v4.something :)
[01:20] <nikkia> 4.5? i think, i know 4.01 had most of the filters require 'apply' and it was awful
[01:20] <_buz> nikkia: wasnt there a gimp-ps project that aligned menu entries with PS names?
[01:21] <nikkia> buz, yes
[01:21] <nikkia> buz, i think it only really works on the OS X port tho
[01:21] <_buz> when i heard of it i thought they made a sane gui
[01:21] <_buz> boy was i wrong
[01:21] <apokryphos> How exactly does Photoshop compare to GIMP? Seriously varied opinions there
[01:21] <_buz> not at all if you ask me
[01:21] <apokryphos> only ever tried Photoshop briefly; I know gimp better
[01:22] <_buz> but i'm totally untalented anyway
[01:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: anyway, script-fu isn't entirely gone, my own scripts still appear under a seperate script-fu menu, because i haven't changed the registration strings
[01:22] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: neither is exactly intuitive :)
[01:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: both have their pluses and minuses
[01:22] <_buz> i'd say PS i a lot more intuitive tho
[01:22] <nikkia> photoshop can be seriously annoying sometimes, compared to gimp, being able to script gimp is very nice, but gimp lacking effect layers is a major headache
[01:23] <nikkia> also, gimp's layers lack the clustering photoshop offers
[01:24] <_buz> so i can tell the weenies to use kontact
[01:24] <apokryphos> _buz: weenies? :P Why not use Kontact now? 
[01:24] <_buz> well i'm the only linux user around
[01:25] <_buz> some macs, but generally winwoes
[01:25] <_buz> at least OO2 eats every doc they throw at me
[01:25] <_buz> and some numbnut recently wanted to have notes for collaboration
[01:25] <apokryphos> Never used Outlook properly; was always thrown off by it for some reason. 
[01:25] <_buz> it's a seriously bad app
[01:25] <_buz> still beats lotus though
[01:26] <_buz> i told the lotus luser he could have it if he administrated it. that took care of that.
[01:26] <nikkia> its terrible at mail, but its not so bad at the other stuff
[01:26] <apokryphos> I really really like Kontact though. Integration is nice.
[01:26] <_buz> i cant stand kmail
[01:26] <apokryphos> :-o
[01:26] <_buz> the spamfilter is unusable
[01:27] <apokryphos> _buz: how so? I guess if you get zillions of spam from loads of different mails it would probably be problematic
[01:27] <_buz> why doesnt it simply start a new thread for spam filtering
[01:27] <_buz> if you start to filter, the gui freezes
[01:27] <apokryphos> haven't had any spam problems since switching to GMail -- a serious blessing.
[01:27] <_buz> only to come back after its finished
[01:27] <apokryphos> :|
[01:27] <apokryphos> can't say I've had any problems with it freezing..
[01:27] <_buz> but the issue is the top voted issue for kontact
[01:27] <apokryphos> I set up spam filtering on a friend's computer with KMail and it seemed to work just fine. 
[01:27] <_buz> so i hope it will get fixed
[01:28] <apokryphos> It's *very* customizable
[01:28] <_buz> apokryphos: try to feed it 5000mails for training
[01:28] <_buz> it will freeze
[01:28] <_buz> and possibly bog down your machine while at it 
[01:28] <apokryphos> We only put about 20 filters
[01:28] <_buz> well normal filters are fine
[01:28] <_buz> but external ones are seriously braindead
[01:28] <_buz> i'll stick to thunderbird for the time being
[01:29] <apokryphos> what exactly would that be? An external filter, that is?
[01:29] <_buz> bogofilter, spamassassin
[01:29] <_buz> after all, kmail doesnt have spamfiltering integrated
[01:29] <nikkia> boxtrapper beats all :P
[01:29] <apokryphos> I'm actually wondering if making mails go *through* gmail would remove the spam
[01:29] <_buz> which is a mistake i think, at least bayesian should be integrated for performance reasons
[01:30] <_buz> other than that i would be able to deal with kmail
[01:30] <nikkia> i got sick of spam getting thru bayesian filters, and just enabled boxtrapper on my mail
[01:30] <_buz> its idea of organizing folders is a bit weird but i could live with that
[01:30] <_buz> nikkia: is that like tmda?
[01:30] <_buz> where users need to confirm mails?
[01:30] <nikkia> its amazing how many mailing lists seamlessly understand it too
[01:30] <nikkia> buz, yes
[01:31] <_buz> ah cant do that
[01:31] <_buz> pisses customers off
[01:31] <nikkia> buz, it cut out spam entirely
[01:31] <nikkia> buz, you can whitelist domains
[01:31] <nikkia> but yeah, its irritating
[01:35] <nikkia> btw, re: gimp's UI being ugly
[01:35] <nikkia> it has a long way to go before it beats ImageMagick's :P
[01:35] <buz> LOL
[01:36] <apokryphos> seems to me that all KDE developers have such typical KDE desktop setups
[01:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: ?
[01:36] <apokryphos> seems to be ordinary users that really get the beautiful desktops
[01:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: thats because developers want CPU time for compiling, not rendering transparent title bars :P
[01:37] <apokryphos> Yeah ;-). But even simple things like making an effort with style/icons/kicker etc
[01:37] <nikkia> pretty desktops are nice, but until they have zero impact on the system performance and responsiveness, i'll stick with my 'relatively plain' look
[01:37] <nikkia> apokryphos: oh, i use the 'Kids' icons :P
[01:37] <nikkia> they're the prettiest of the lot
[01:37] <apokryphos> mine's becoming more default though as time goes on... looking at some of my old screenies looks like I just wanted to be radical :P
[01:37] <apokryphos> kids? I don't have them :|
[01:38] <nikkia> apokryphos: hmmm, you should, they're a core icon set
[01:38] <apokryphos> RAD and Amaranth, Pastels Nuvola are probably by long-time favourites though
[01:38] <apokryphos> I'll kdelook them, uno momento
[01:39] <apokryphos> nikkia: oh, I have tried them before. They're too "crazy wow!"
[01:40] <apokryphos> most beautiful are the RAD and Amaranth icons ;-). Pastels are nice because they're so smooth/clean.
[01:41] <apokryphos> nikkia: what do you normally create with gimp?
[01:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: its not so much 'create' as 'destroy' really :)
[01:41] <nikkia> i take the .psd files our artist(s) produce, and rip everything apart into individual component sprites
[01:42] <apokryphos> heh
[01:42] <nikkia> rats, need PIL installed
[01:48] <nikkia> i don't believe it!!
[01:48] <nikkia> they've fixed the 'ludicrous speed' auto-scrolling in gimp 2.3
[01:49] <incubii> pfft sif
[01:49] <incubii> you lie
[01:49] <nikkia> no, really
[01:49] <apokryphos> hehe
[01:49] <nikkia> it scrolls at a rather sedate speed now
[01:49] <nikkia> rather too slow, in fact
[01:50] <nikkia> still, i'd rather spend a minute waiting for it to scroll, than 30 minutes trying to get it to auto-scroll to the right bit :P
[01:50] <jpowers|afk> did they "fix" it by using up all of your CPU?
[01:50] <Egg098> don't suppose anyone's got to hand the line to put in fstab for mounting another Linux partition do they?
[01:51] <Egg098> nevermind, got it
[01:51] <nikkia> jpowers|afk: not that i can see :P
[01:51] <jpowers|afk> nice
[01:51] <apokryphos> mrmanic: /dev/hdbX       /mount/point           ext3    defaults        0       2
[01:52] <mrmanic> ?
[01:52] <apokryphos> whoops
[01:52] <apokryphos> Egg098: /dev/hdbX       /mount/point           ext3    defaults        0       2
[01:52] <Egg098> lol, cheers
[01:56] <Kosiko> Hi everybody! Can someone help me make my kmail sending mails? Tried a lot but I always get 'username or password wrong' with ALL my accounts? Thanks in advance!
[01:57] <apokryphos> Off to work; bye everyone. 
[01:57] <platoali> hi Kosiko
[01:57] <platoali> how do set your account
[01:57] <platoali> ?
[01:58] <Kosiko> Hi platoali
[01:58] <Kosiko> Just filled in smtp server, authentification needed, same username & password as in pop protocoll, here it works perfectly
[01:59] <Kosiko> Before I checked for encryption and the server givese feedback
[01:59] <platoali> do you know that  you smtp server requer authentication
[02:00] <Kosiko> yes, without it doesn't work either and it tells me that it needs authentification
[02:00] <platoali> ok
[02:01] <platoali> what encryption does your server use
[02:01] <platoali> ?
[02:02] <Kosiko> TLS & Plain but I tried also different ones, always with the same result
[02:02] <platoali> what about SSL
[02:02] <platoali> ?
[02:02] <nikkia> platoali: TLS is SSL
[02:02] <platoali> sorry
[02:03] <nikkia> there might be other 'standards' for SMTP/POP/IMAP over SSL, but TLS is the common one
[02:04] <buz> TLS and SSL isn't strictly the same
[02:04] <Kosiko> If I choose SSL: same thing, SSL + Plain, SSL + Login, TSL + Plain, TSL + Login...
[02:04] <buz> SSL usually uses its own port
[02:04] <buz> whereas TLS gets activated just before login on the same port
[02:04] <buz> after that it's more or less the same
[02:05] <nikkia> my problem with TLS for email is that noone uses anything but self-signed certs for it, and it gets annoying having to 'ok' the same cert over and over each time you send email :/
[02:06] <nikkia> and no matter what you tell thunderbird, it doesn't seem to care about remembering that that cert is authorized
[02:06] <buz> yeah thunderbird is a bit stupid wrt to that
[02:07] <nikkia> ah, its not thunderbird at fault
[02:07] <nikkia> its my mail provider
[02:07] <Kosiko> kmail remembers it, but I think you have your reasosn ahy using thunderbird ;-)
[02:07] <nikkia> their certs are auto-generated by the looks of it, with a 1 hour expiry
[02:08] <Kosiko> Oha, so maybe kmail wouldnt do it either...
[02:09] <Kosiko> Any other hints why sending mail would fail with kmail? 
[02:10] <nikkia> Kosiko: some mail providers insist on check-before-send, even with secure connections
[02:10] <nikkia> (i've even run into a few that *insist* on pop3 checks before send, even though they support imap, which is really really annoying
[02:11] <Kosiko> But kmail doesn't give me that option?? But when doing it manually it also does not work...
[02:12] <nikkia> altho, if it was check-before-send that was hitting you, you'd get a message about relaying, usually
[02:13] <nikkia> Kosiko: my guess would be, that you need to set it to cram-md5 or digest-md5, there's bound to be a setting in kmail for those, somewhere
[02:13] <jpowers> 1 hour expiry?
[02:14] <jpowers> that seems to defeat the purpose
[02:14] <nikkia> jpowers: my thoughts exactly
[02:15] <Kosiko> nikkia: then the server says: authentification method not supported...
[02:16] <nikkia> Kosiko: i'd ask your mail provider then
[02:17] <Kosiko> But it is with all my email accounts --> 6, so I think the problem is within kmail, with thunderbird it worked
[02:18] <nikkia> kosiko, wait
[02:18] <nikkia> kosiko, is it possible you have the username wrong ?
[02:18] <nikkia> many providers now require the full email address as the username, either user@domain... or user+domain
[02:19] <Kosiko> Not really, I am using the full email adress because my provider needs that, I checked it more than once! :-)
[02:19] <nikkia> Kosiko: try + instead of @, or vice versa
[02:22] <Kosiko> hm, doesn't work either...
[02:22] <nikkia> i dunno then, ask them, they can look at the logs and tell you why
[02:24] <Kosiko> Thanks anyway!
[02:41] <jpatrick> Anyone know where I can find Tahoma?
[02:46] <Cool^19m> anybody knows anything about subnet masks?
[02:46] <jpatrick> yes
[02:46] <jpatrick> hi LuNaTik^GuY
[02:46] <LuNaTiK^GuY> hi :)
[02:46] <jpatrick> I found out how to compile
[02:46] <jpatrick> C++ only
[02:47] <jpatrick> :-/
[02:47] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :(
[02:47] <LuNaTiK^GuY> this issue should be made trviial
[02:48] <LuNaTiK^GuY> an Address of 136.106.0.0, Available subnets:20, hosts/subnet: 10
[02:48] <LuNaTiK^GuY> how can i find the Subnet Mask?
[03:00] <Borg^Queen> Hey people
[03:00] <Borg^Queen> Does anyone know where kde keeps the addressbook?
[03:01] <Borg^Queen> Not the rc file but the actual emails
[03:01] <otep> anyone know where i can get uudecode
[03:01] <Borg^Queen> nope sorry
[03:02] <aseigo> Borg^Queen: !!!
[03:02] <Borg^Queen> HEY
[03:03] <aseigo> how are you sweety?
[03:03] <aseigo> (by which i mean the person behind Borg^Queen )
[03:03] <Borg^Queen> Doing good. Playing with Debian Sarge.
[03:03] <aseigo> otep: sharutils
[03:03] <Borg^Queen> Ah hmm
[03:03] <aseigo> otep: here's a tip: apt-cache search uudecode
[03:04] <Borg^Queen> So aseigo do you know where kde keeps the kaddressbook ?
[03:04] <Borg^Queen> is kubuntu your new project?
[03:04] <aseigo> Borg^Queen: under my pillow. either there or `kde-config --localprefix`/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf (by default)
[03:05] <aseigo> no ... i just use it on a few boxes and am interested in it
[03:05] <Borg^Queen> Aye, I can't use it. No one here will touch a distro without a root account
[03:06] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i feel like a linux-free chat......i bet here is the wrong place ;)
[03:06] <aseigo> Borg^Queen: it has a root account
[03:06] <aseigo> Borg^Queen: it just doesn't give it a password
[03:07] <aseigo> Borg^Queen: sudo all the way.. however, you just `sudo passwd` and it's all good
[03:07] <Borg^Queen> Aye I know but they don't like this whole sudo thing
[03:07] <aseigo> troglodites and luddites!
[03:08] <Borg^Queen> o_0
[03:08] <aseigo> but yeah, you can just set a root passwd after install quit easily
[03:08] <Borg^Queen> Aye
[03:08] <Borg^Queen> its too much like windows. No one here likes a dumbed down version of linux
[03:09] <aseigo> lol ... not sure what part of debian is dumbed down =)
[03:09] <Borg^Queen> No ubuntu
[03:09] <Borg^Queen> They're calling dirs folders and stuff. Pissing people off.
[03:10] <aseigo> lol ... 
[03:11] <aseigo> we moved to "folders" in kde a couple releases ago actually
[03:11] <Borg^Queen> I don't get in to it with them.
[03:11] <Borg^Queen> I change it
[03:12] <Borg^Queen> we all do, especially for the classrooms
[03:12] <otep> aseigo: thanks mate, i reinstalled this afternoon and forgot where i got those dang sheez
[03:13] <Borg^Queen> Fixed it aseigo thanks
[03:13] <Borg^Queen> aseigo: have you checked out ArkLinux?
[03:14] <aseigo> Borg^Queen: not for a while, no.. hwy?
[03:14] <Borg^Queen> Its really coming along. 
[03:14] <Borg^Queen> I'm helping them out with testing.
[03:15] <Borg^Queen> I have about 5 machines here I test it on
[03:15] <Borg^Queen> It has real potential
[03:15] <aseigo> they are good people
[03:15] <Borg^Queen> He's even fixed the OpenOffice intergration problems months before everyone else
[03:15] <Borg^Queen> They are very good people.
[03:18] <Borg^Queen> What distro are mainly running these days?
[03:23] <Borg^Queen> well you're busy I see. So talk to you later.
[03:23] <Borg^Queen> Bye now
[03:43] <TestMAD> dont you just hate it when after a few days of work getting a linux distro the way you want it..a hard drive dies..
[04:08] <^rob^> hello
[04:08] <^rob^> does anyone know how to get iso with wget? - it seems wget -c corupt iso image
[04:13] <supernix> hi what is this mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/ooffice2.1.gz is a dangling symlink
[04:13] <supernix> I keep getting those and I have done rm to each one of those
[04:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> the OO.o man pages arent there, and the sym links that point to them are pointing at nothing
[04:18] <supernix> Kamping_Kaiser: what can I do to get rid of that error ?
[04:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> remove the symlinks
[04:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> or find the man pages and put them in
[04:19] <supernix> I did that before
[04:19] <supernix> removed them I mean
[04:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> is that somthing apts saying?
[04:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> IIRC i had that before
[04:19] <supernix> I did a roval for each
[04:19] <_zecrazytux> where can i chose the screen resolution please ?
[04:19] <supernix> nah it is a error that is generated by cron running some program
[04:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> _zecrazytux: you mean change it temporarily? or perminantly?
[04:23] <_zecrazytux> perminantly
[04:24] <_zecrazytux> but i must be blind
[04:24] <_zecrazytux> i can't see this option in the control center !
[04:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> _zecrazytux: the only way i know is using dkpg or hacking the xorg conf
[04:35] <_zecrazytux> ok
[04:35] <_zecrazytux> thx
[04:40] <nikkia> gah, if i ever meet Jorg Schilling ....
[04:41] <buz> whom?
[04:41] <nikkia> buz, author of cdrecord
[04:41] <buz> ah never tried burning cds in linux so far
[04:41] <nikkia> buz, outspoken solaris schill/anti-linux person, idiot
[04:42] <nikkia> buz, just to 'make life fun' he's included half of gcc in the directory that contains the make rules, so you can't easily browse the makefile to find out how it does stuff (because it installs to obscure locations by default)
[04:42] <buz> as a solaris shill he would
[04:43] <buz> after all, if slowlaris was a car, it would be shipped without wheels
[04:43] <buz> (the os doesnt even come with compiler)
[04:46] <nikkia> just trying to compile k3b so i can make this dvd for my mum
[05:05] <othernoob> does anyone of a plugin for Opera8 like the mplayer plugin for Mozilla/Konqueror/OOo?
[05:13] <buz> isnt opera supposedly compatible to mozilla plugins
[05:13] <othernoob> well, that's what i thought too
[05:14] <othernoob> but it will not recognize the mplayer plugin on my pc :/
[05:15] <nikkia> there are two types of netscape plugins iirc
[05:17] <othernoob> i shall google for that then
[05:17] <nikkia> othernoob, my point really was, that if the mplayer-plugin is 'the other kind' then opera might not support it
[05:18] <othernoob> and what would you suggest?
[05:18] <othernoob> i so hate having to use firefox ;)
[05:19] <nikkia> othernoob, don't watch movies inline ? *shrug*
[05:20] <othernoob> well, yes, of course. that would fix the problem.
[05:21] <kwer> hi there
[05:21] <othernoob> yo
[05:23] <kwer> is it an known issue, that laptop touchpads don't work with kde?
[05:23] <kwer> (hp pavillion zv5000)
[05:24] <Poromies> mine works great on Acer Aspire 5020
[05:24] <TestMAD> umm
[05:24] <kwer> hm
[05:25] <TestMAD> kwer: does the custom ubuntu for hp laptops fix this?
[05:25] <kwer> erm
[05:25] <TestMAD> i figure it would
[05:25] <kwer> let's say't like this
[05:25] <kwer> i justed installed it for the first time
[05:25] <kwer> how i get the custom ubuntu laptop fix?
[05:25] <kwer> apt-get?
[05:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> why would eject say this? eject: unable to eject, last error: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[05:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> sudo works but still gives the same message
[05:26] <TestMAD> umm..its a whole distro kwer
[05:26] <TestMAD> iso format
[05:26] <TestMAD> for hp laptops
[05:26] <kwer> o0h damnut
[05:26] <kwer> *i
[05:26] <TestMAD> lemme get you link
[05:26] <kwer> should have known before
[05:26] <kwer> just toasted my last cd-r
[05:27] <TestMAD> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/custom/hplaptops
[05:27] <kwer> thats strange.. the installation didnt ask me for a root password
[05:27] <kwer> thanks TestMAD 
[05:27] <TestMAD> kubuntu doesnt have root
[05:27] <kwer> ?
[05:27] <TestMAD> the user pass is the root pass..
[05:28] <TestMAD> uses sudo
[05:28] <kwer> and that needs an pw as well, doesnt it?
[05:28] <TestMAD> sudo?
[05:28] <kwer> sorry, i'm new to all of this
[05:28] <TestMAD> it uses  the user pass
[05:28] <kwer> ah ok
[05:28] <TestMAD> as in sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:28] <kwer> fine
[05:28] <kwer> i see
[05:29] <TestMAD> that will install nvidia driver as root
[05:29] <TestMAD> i guess thats a good explanantion..
[05:29] <TestMAD> ive only been using ubuntu for like 2 weeks
[05:29] <kwer> yes, understood that
[05:30] <kwer> i've had that stupid touchpad problem with fedora core as well :(
[05:30] <kwer> on suse it worked, but my graphic chip didn't get recognized...
[05:30] <TestMAD> i dunno if itll work with the custom version of ubuntu..
[05:30] <TestMAD> i dont have a laptop
[05:31] <kwer> my model isn't listed on the supperted ones
[05:31] <TestMAD> ahh
[05:31] <kwer> *supported
[05:31] <TestMAD> what model?
[05:31] <kwer> pavillion zv 5000
[05:31] <kwer> amd 3000+ mobile /  geforce4go
[05:32] <kwer> everything else seems to work
[05:32] <kwer> just this freaking touchpad device
[05:32] <TestMAD> ok
[05:32] <TestMAD> here
[05:32] <TestMAD> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=1242692
[05:32] <TestMAD> theres listing of topics in the forums about touchpads
[05:33] <TestMAD> well..i just searched for touch pad
[05:33] <TestMAD> hopefully it'll help
[05:33] <kwer> let's see.. thx 
[05:33] <kwer> gonna have a look
[05:43] <RetroMan> hey everyone
[05:43] <RetroMan> is the kubuntu repository separate/different from the ubuntu?
[05:45] <kwer> don't know
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> RetroMan: most of it s the same
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> there are 1 or 2 that are *optional*  that you can have
[05:48] <RetroMan> hmm
[05:49] <RetroMan> well cant you achieve kubuntuhood by installing ubuntu, then installing kde, then installing kubuntu-common or something?
[05:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[05:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> install Ubuntu then install "Kubuntu-desktop"
[05:49] <grahame> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:49] <RetroMan> k
[05:50] <RetroMan> just wanted to know, because Im builiding a local ubuntu repos and I wanted to know if it could serve both Ub and Kub
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes it can.
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> for 99% of files
[05:57] <RetroMan> cool, thanks
[06:10] <`TUX`> hi all 
[06:10] <`TUX`> any tips to set kbd layout?
[06:11] <stibby> kcontrol -> accessibility
[06:16] <Riggzy_Linux> Trying to set up my printer with KDEPrint... after I select the printer, nothing shows up in the drivers list. I'[ve had this printer work fine THIS MORNING - I just removed it and added it again and all I can print is raw...
[06:17] <equex> anyone knows a way to clean up the KDE menu file ? kmenuedit has garbled my custom menus :(
[06:21] <Riggzy_Linux> anyone?
[06:23] <equex> trying to edit the .menu file but its so chaotic now :p
[06:35] <Sturmkind> Hello
[06:35] <Sturmkind> where could i get ubuntu/kubuntu packages of kexi? they are not included into the kubuntu version of koffice 1.4x
[06:37] <xchookie> hi! hab mal ne frage. bekomme bei fast allem, was ich ffne etc. folgenden fehler: MIME-Typ nicht auffindbar: application/octet-stream. hab diesen typ auch nicht (mehr?) bei den dateizuordnungen.
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> try Kubuntu-de, or Ubuntu-de
[06:38] <xchookie> i tried kubuntu-de but it seems not to exist and in ubuntu-de nobody wants or is able to help me
[06:39] <AnHu> no it doesn't exit
[06:39] <AnHu> exist
[06:39] <xchookie> i will ask my question again in english, maybe someone in here can help me
[06:39] <AnHu> there is a german forum, too 
[06:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks xchookie
[06:40] <xchookie> when i open any kind of file (text, pdf, ...) or even a program i get an error message like the following: mime-type doesn't exist: application/octet-stream.
[06:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. not sure i can help with that
[06:41] <xchookie> this type seems to be deleted in the control-center. if i add it again, what values will i have to put in?
[06:41] <xchookie> maybe anyone can tell me, what there is on his/her system? so i can copy this and hope it will work for me
[06:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> xchookie: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/333886 any help? it's in English
[06:45] <Sturmkind> bye ;-)
[06:47] <xchookie> thx Kamping_Kaiser, that worked for me too :)
[06:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) cool
[06:48] <xchookie> sometimes it's so easy ;)
[06:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol yeh
[06:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> have fun
[06:48] <xchookie> but i still don't know how this entry got deleted... mysterious :-)
[06:58] <TestMAD> where can i find the system requirements for ubuntu?
[06:59] <xchookie> maybe this can help you: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24890.html
[07:00] <hon> do you happen to know where can I find a good wine channel?
[07:01] <xchookie> i just know #winehq, but cannot say if it's good or not
[07:02] <Mez> hon, wine the program or wine the drink?
[07:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> night all
[07:09] <Fraeon> #merlot
[07:09] <Fraeon> That's a good channel
[08:12] <JohnFlux> does kubuntu have a kde gui for adding packages?
[08:13] <JohnFlux> s/adding/installing/
[08:15] <othernoob> like...kynaptic?
[08:17] <JohnFlux> ah there it is
[08:17] <JohnFlux> hmmm
[08:17] <JohnFlux> how come its not on the k-menu ?
[08:17] <JohnFlux> (or is it, and i'm blind?)
[08:17] <JohnFlux> doh!!
[08:17] <JohnFlux> there it is ;)
[08:17] <othernoob> uhm, it is? system-kynaptic?
[08:18] <JohnFlux> btw the default for kde is to show the full name, then the program-executable name in brackets
[08:18] <JohnFlux> wonder why kubuntu changed this defaul
[08:18] <JohnFlux> t
[08:19] <othernoob> because ubuntu is gay like that?
[08:28] <_ari> hey, anyone here who can help me get on a DC client?
[08:31] <othernoob> try valknut 
[08:31] <_ari> yeah
[08:31] <_ari> but how do I get it?
[08:31] <othernoob> getting it from the official site?
[08:31] <_ari> nope
[08:31] <_ari> the closest it has is Debian
[08:31] <_ari> but when you go to the link it ends up being Mandrake
[08:31] <_box> hello
[08:32] <_ari> I found another site that I think I got the right package for
[08:32] <_box> i need help
[08:32] <_ari> but I'm not sure, and I don't know what to do with it even if it's the right one
[08:32] <othernoob> _ari: heh? when you choose Debian it'll give you a Debian Woody precompiled release
[08:32] <_ari> yeah
[08:33] <othernoob> _ari: and you could also always get the source and compile :)
[08:33] <_ari> sends me to a site that doesn't have it
[08:33] <_ari> other, I am very very new at this, I have no clue how to compile
[08:34] <JohnFlux> _ari: what's a DC client?
[08:35] <_ari> direct connect
[08:35] <JohnFlux> ....
[08:35] <othernoob> _ari: well, the manual on the valknut site tells you all you need to know on how to compile :)
[08:35] <_ari> okay
[08:35] <_ari> thanks
[08:35] <_ari> I'll check it out
[08:36] <_box> How can i take out the cd s installtion on kubuntu
[08:36] <_ari> and if I have problems I'll come back to bother you :P
[08:36] <_box> on the Ksnapic
[08:37] <_box> Kynaptic
[08:37] <othernoob> of course
[08:37] <othernoob> _box: come again? 
[08:37] <_box> my ingles is not very good sorry
[08:56] <_ari> okay
[08:56] <_ari> anyone here to help me?
[08:56] <_ari> I'm trying to compile something, but it's not working
[08:57] <aseigo> where is it failing?
[08:57] <_ari> this is what I did:
[08:57] <_ari> ari@Ari:~$ make -f dclib-0.3.7.tar.bz2
[08:57] <_ari> dclib-0.3.7.tar.bz2:3: *** missing separator.  Stop
[08:58] <_ari> what did I do wrong?
[09:00] <buz> you compile tar files
[09:01] <buz> ^can't
[09:01] <_ari> :(
[09:01] <_ari> that's the source they gave me though
[09:01] <buz> yeah well you'll have to extract it first
[09:01] <_ari> oh
[09:02] <aseigo> tar jxvf dclib-0.3.7.tar.bz2
[09:02] <aseigo> (or use ark to do it)
[09:02] <_ari> yeah
[09:02] <_ari> I used Ark :)
[09:02] <aseigo> ok... no cd into that directory
[09:02] <aseigo> er, now..
[09:03] <aseigo> ./configure && make && sudo make install
[09:04] <_ari> :(
[09:04] <_ari> didn't work
[09:05] <_ari> I got a bunch of "no"s
[09:05] <_ari> then it said "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH"
[09:05] <Wizzard> it is possible to use WinKey to show KDE menu?
[09:07] <hippie> how to have kde svn on kubuntu?
[09:14] <claydoh> _ari: need to install buiuld-essential
[09:14] <claydoh> build-essential
[09:14] <hippie> can help me?
[09:14] <_ari> how do I do that?
[09:14] <_ari> apt-get?
[09:14] <claydoh> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:15] <_ari> nice
[09:15] <_ari> that installed
[09:15] <_ari> now I'll try again :)
[09:16] <claydoh> then it will be th "track-down-any-missing-dev -packages" boogie :)
[09:16] <_ari> ./admin/cvs.sh: line 30: autoconf: command not found
[09:16] <_ari> *** AUTOCONF NOT FOUND!.
[09:16] <_ari> *** KDE requires autoconf 2.52, 2.53 or 2.54
[09:16] <_ari> make[1] : *** [cvs]  Error 1
[09:16] <_ari> make: *** [all]  Error 2
[09:16] <_ari> :(
[09:16] <_ari> that didn't work
[09:16] <_ari> that's the error I got
[09:17] <ztonzy> hmm
[09:17] <ztonzy> how to restart sound in the system?
[09:19] <claydoh> then you need to install autoconf  _ari 
[09:19] <claydoh> install synaptic or use kynaptic for an apt gui with search capabilities
[09:20] <_ari> huh?
[09:20] <_ari> what do you mean by that?
[09:20] <_ari> can't I search packages with kynaptic?
[09:20] <claydoh> yes
[09:21] <claydoh> and synaptic as well
[09:22] <_ari> ./admin/cvs.sh: line 60: automake: command not found
[09:22] <_ari> *** AUTOMAKE NOT FOUND!.
[09:22] <_ari> *** KDE requires automake 1.5
[09:22] <_ari> make[1] : *** [cvs]  Error 1
[09:22] <_ari> make: *** [all]  Error 2
[09:22] <_ari> got the same error again :(
[09:22] <claydoh> synaptic is a little easier to use
[09:22] <claydoh> so install auto make :)
[09:22] <_ari> what's the package name?
[09:22] <claydoh> dunno
[09:24] <claydoh> try automake1.7
[09:24] <_ari> oh
[09:24] <_ari> I got 1.9
[09:24] <_ari> AH!
[09:25] <_ari> I got a ton of warnings
[09:25] <_ari> seems to have worked though
[09:26] <claydoh> dclib doesn't have a whole lot of dependencies as id does not have a gui
[09:26] <claydoh> valknut will need a few tho, 
[09:26] <_ari> ari@Ari:~/dclib-0.3.7$ make
[09:26] <_ari> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[09:26] <_ari> :-/
[09:26] <claydoh> cvs? or latest sources?
[09:27] <_ari> sources I think
[09:27] <claydoh> there should be a makefile in there
[09:27] <claydoh> unless it is a cvs snapshot
[09:28] <_ari> there is a makefile
[09:28] <_ari> that's what I used to compile
[09:28] <_ari> configure*
[09:29] <jpatrick> ./makefile
[09:29] <_ari> nope
[09:30] <_ari> ./makefile didn't work
[09:30] <jpatrick> cd to the folder first
[09:30] <_ari> yeah
[09:30] <jpatrick> :-/
[09:30] <_ari> I'm cded to it
[09:30] <_ari> I had to configure it
[09:31] <_ari> so I had to be cded, and I still am
[09:31] <jpatrick> what shell files are in it?
[09:31] <_ari> huh?
[09:32] <_ari> shell files?
[09:32] <jpatrick> files that look like the console window
[09:33] <_ari> I'm cded to /home/(me)/dclib-0.3.7 in my console
[09:33] <jpatrick> shell scripts is the proper name :-/
[09:34] <_ari> oh
[09:34] <_ari> well, I'm new to this all :P
[09:34] <_ari> I know jack
[09:34] <claydoh> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21570.html
[09:35] <claydoh> worked for me
[09:35] <claydoh> but I used to roll my own before I started using apt
[09:37] <_ari> clay, I'm confused
[09:37] <_ari> do you want me to use the packages that Neo posted in order to install?
[09:37] <claydoh> you can if you wish
[09:38] <claydoh> if you get frustrated trying to compile
[09:38] <_ari> yeah
[09:38] <_ari> I'll try that
[09:38] <_ari> but how do I install the packages once I have them?
[09:39] <claydoh> ahh sorry
[09:39] <_ari> I only know how to apt-get packages
[09:39] <jpatrick> you have .deb packages?
[09:40] <_ari> yes
[09:40] <_ari> they are .deb
[09:40] <claydoh> sudo dpkg -i libdc0_0.3.7-2_i386.deb
[09:40] <jpatrick> yeah that _
[09:40] <_ari> do I need to cd first?
[09:40] <jpatrick> yes...
[09:40] <claydoh> make sure you apt-get libqt-mt that was mentioned in the post for valknut
[09:41] <claydoh> sudo apt-get install libqt3c102-mt i think
[09:43] <jake1> how come "apt-cache search itunes" only shows "juk - music organizer and player for KDE" and not "pymusique - iTMS client
[09:43] <jake1> " like it does on other people's computer
[09:43] <jake1> am i missing something?
[09:43] <claydoh> actually it will be sudo dpkg -i sudo dpkg -i libdc0_0.3.7-2_i386.deb
[09:44] <claydoh> err
[09:44] <snubbex> IRC newbee here... How was it that I could get a list channels?
[09:44] <claydoh>  sudo dpkg -i dclib_0.3.7-0quickpackage_i386.deb
[09:44] <jake1> snubbex: you might not want to do that on this server
[09:44] <jake1> as there are a shitload of them
[09:44] <jake1> but it's /list
[09:44] <snubbex> okay... why?
[09:45] <jake1> it will take quite a longtime to see them all
[09:45] <snubbex> and thanks
[09:45] <jake1> but be my guess
[09:45] <_ari> ari@Ari:~$ sudo dpkg -i dclib_0.3.7-quickpackage_i386.deb
[09:45] <_ari> dpkg: error processing dclib_0.3.7-quickpackage_i386.deb (--install):
[09:45] <_ari>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[09:45] <_ari> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:45] <_ari>  dclib_0.3.7-quickpackage_i386.deb
[09:45] <_ari> :(
[09:45] <_ari> more errors.........
[09:45] <_ari> I'm cursed.......
[09:46] <m0ns00n> Why is it so hard to install Nvidia 6111?
[09:46] <claydoh> are you in the correct dir where the file was downloaded to?
[09:46] <jake1> Neo??
[09:46] <m0ns00n> (It's the only one working with GeForce 2 MX)
[09:46] <jake1> HOLY SHIT
[09:46] <snubbex> jake1: hmmm.... how you do then? I f you want to know other channels? Do you have a nother server to recommend?
[09:46] <jake1> NEO... I BELIEVE
[09:46] <TestMAD> the nvidia drivers from nvidia are a pain
[09:46] <m0ns00n> Yes
[09:46] <m0ns00n> :-/
[09:46] <TestMAD> just install the ubuntu drivers
[09:47] <jake1> i dnt quite understand your question snubbex
[09:47] <TestMAD> they work decently
[09:47] <m0ns00n> TestMAD: Doesn't work
[09:47] <TestMAD> hmm.
[09:47] <TestMAD> y not?
[09:47] <m0ns00n> TestMAD: How do I know?
[09:47] <m0ns00n> :-D
[09:47] <claydoh> _ari: also make sure that the filename is correct
[09:47] <TestMAD> did it tell you anything?
[09:47] <claydoh> my typing can be a tad terrible :)
[09:47] <TestMAD> usually when installing stuff..console will tell you what is wrong
[09:48] <snubbex> jake1: if you want to chat about anything else than K/ubuntu... even if this is probably the best thing to talk about... How do I do, I must do an /list?
[09:48] <m0ns00n> TestMAD: Ubuntu Hoary with Nvidia drivers freezes on GeForce 2MX and GeForce 4MX
[09:48] <TestMAD> ahh
[09:48] <m0ns00n> TestMAD: So that you can't ping even
[09:48] <m0ns00n> TestMAD: That's why I need 6111 as it works, I made it work on 4 computers
[09:48] <m0ns00n> Stable
[09:49] <m0ns00n> And therefore I need to use kernel 6.8.1.3-386
[09:49] <m0ns00n> But ubuntu wants to upgrade all the time (kernel 6.8.10 or something?) whic freeezes
[09:49] <nikkia> thank heavens for USB 2.0!
[09:49] <jake1> snubbex: you can do a /list
[09:49] <m0ns00n> I see this has been a problem with ubuntu/kubuntu for months
[09:49] <jake1> to see
[09:49] <jake1> but it will show a lot of topics
[09:49] <m0ns00n> still not fixed......
[09:50] <jake1> is there anything you are looking for inparticular
[09:50] <_ari> clay: it says that I need the amd64 version :(
[09:50] <snubbex> jake1: nah!... It didn't worked... to much heavy load!  =)
[09:50] <claydoh> ahhh
[09:50] <claydoh> then you prob have to compile youself
[09:50] <_ari> :(
[09:50] <_ari> but that wasn't working
[09:50] <snubbex> jake1: no, not really!... just want to chat... specially with people in sweden
[09:51] <_ari> I tried to make, and it didn't work
[09:52] <claydoh> what was the exact error?
[09:53] <_ari> dpkg: error processing dclib_0.3.7-0quickpackage_i386.deb (--install):
[09:53] <_ari>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[09:53] <_ari> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:53] <_ari>  dclib_0.3.7-0quickpackage_i386.deb
[09:54] <claydoh> no, I mean when running "make" in the sources you were buillding before
[09:54] <_ari> oh
[09:54] <_ari> I'll have to do that all over again then
[09:54] <claydoh> nope, just ype make again if you didn't delete anything
[09:55] <_ari> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[09:55] <Jwir3> hey everyone.  I am trying to install lineakd on kubuntu.  It controls my keyboard, but requires the X server to start (i.e. can't run as root, due to being unable to find display through su).  thus, it is specific to a certain user.  Unfortunately, if I just put 'lineakd' into my .Xsession file, it hangs (since the program starts, but it not itself a daemon).  I assume there is a simple fix for it, but I can't seem to find it.  Thanks for t
[09:55] <Jwir3> Oh - and, I tried putting 'lineakd &' in the .Xsession file, but that doesn't even let me login
[09:56] <claydoh> _ari: then run ./configure and see what the last couple of lines were when it finishes
[09:56] <claydoh> there should be no errors at the end
[09:57] <_ari> there is an error
[09:57] <_ari> says I need libxml2, but I already installed that
[09:57] <claydoh> libxml2-dev?
[09:57] <_ari> yeah
[09:58] <_ari> okay, I installed it
[09:59] <_ari> okay, it worked :)
[09:59] <claydoh> ain't it fun :D
[09:59] <tdmg> actually, it is fun.......
[09:59] <claydoh> it is
[09:59] <tdmg> holy!
[09:59] <tdmg> so much text.........
[10:00] <claydoh> :)
[10:00] <claydoh> only have to worry about the end, if it fails
[10:00] <tdmg> wooooooo!
[10:01] <tdmg> no errors :D
[10:01] <claydoh> :)
[10:01] <tdmg> okay
[10:01] <claydoh> sudo make install :)
[10:01] <tdmg> yeah yeah yeah....... :P
[10:01] <tdmg> you mind reader
[10:02] <tdmg> I forgot the sudo, and at the very moment you wrote that
[10:02] <tdmg> AH!
[10:03] <tdmg> the error message in Kubuntu sounds like falling glass
[10:03] <tdmg> scared me to death
[10:03] <tdmg> thought I had dropped something :(
[10:03] <th_> :)))
[10:12] <tdmg> yup :)
[10:12] <claydoh> yeah that sound scared the heck out of my wife at 3 AM :)
[10:12] <tdmg> HAHAHAHA!!! :D
[10:15] <tdmg> okay
[10:15] <tdmg> it's installed
[10:16] <claydoh> now on to valknut then
[10:16] <tdmg> now, how do I get a shortcut?
[10:16] <tdmg> no
[10:16] <tdmg> I just installed valknut :P
[10:16] <claydoh> cool
[10:16] <tdmg> dclib was already done
[10:16] <tdmg> now I want a shortcut :)
[10:17] <claydoh> you want it on your menu or the desktop?
[10:17] <tdmg> yeah
[10:17] <claydoh> both?
[10:17] <othernoob> you can't answer an "or" question with yeah
[10:17] <tdmg> menu
[10:17] <tdmg> other, be quiet :P
[10:17] <onewing> im getting the error message "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" whenever i try to ./configure an application
[10:18] <othernoob> ;)
[10:18] <onewing> anyone know what that means?
[10:18] <tdmg> heh
[10:18] <claydoh> right-click on the"k" menu and select menu editor
[10:18] <tdmg> I just had that problem
[10:18] <Jwir3> hey everyone.  I am trying to install lineakd on kubuntu.  It controls my keyboard, but requires the X server to start (i.e. can't run as root, due to being unable to find display through su).  thus, it is specific to a certain user.  Unfortunately, if I just put 'lineakd' into my .Xsession file, it hangs (since the program starts, but it not itself a daemon).  I assume there is a simple fix for it, but I can't seem to find it.  Thanks for t
[10:19] <tdmg> yay!
[10:20] <tdmg> valknut is on! :D
[10:20] <othernoob> what's so great about DC?
[10:21] <jpowers> um...the politics
[10:21] <jpowers> politics in DC are great
[10:21] <jpowers> no wait
[10:21] <jpowers> the defense contracts
[10:21] <jpowers> in DC those are great too
[10:21] <jpowers> did I win?
[10:21] <tdmg> no
[10:21] <othernoob> yes. you are the unfunniest person i have met today
[10:21] <jpowers> :\
[10:21] <tdmg> I'm a paid representative for a campus DC network
[10:22] <tdmg> so if I don't get on I don't get paid :P
[10:22] <othernoob> well okay, that may be one good reason.. but still
[10:22] <tdmg> well
[10:22] <tdmg> you can always download stuff
[10:22] <tdmg> but I just like chatting
[10:22] <othernoob> eh..yes of course..the only good channels require 50GB+...
[10:23] <esac> i enabled xcompmgr and set my inactive windows to be transparent and use shadows. when logging into kde, the screen doesn't draw properly, it leaves artifacts when moving windows, etc. any ideas (xcompmgr/transet worked fine in gentoo/fvwm on this same laptop)
[10:23] <onewing> im confused about what verizon of gcc i should have installed
[10:25] <Jwir3> I installed gcc-3.3
[10:26] <tdmg> ummmmmm..........
[10:26] <tdmg> okay, I'm on Valknut, how do I get on a hub though?
[10:27] <onewing> Jwir3: should i remove all the others?
[10:27] <Jwir3> onewing: what other versions do you have installed?
[10:29] <mark> hi all
[10:30] <mark> i am having a slight kubuntu problem. all the files on every dvd i put in the drive have a lock icon on them
[10:30] <mark> when i do ls -la /media/cdrom0/ everything is owned by user 501, group 501
[10:30] <mark> but there is no user with that id on the machine
[10:31] <mark> the permissions are set to drwx------ so i cant read any of the files on any dvd
[10:31] <mark> how do i fix this?
[10:32] <Riddell> hmm, irssi and utf8 don't work well
[10:34] <onewing> Jwir3: after i couldnt get it working i installed everthing that said gcc that i could
[10:35] <qbit> mark: investigate switches in your /etc/fstab
[10:35] <qbit> mark: something to the effect of users, uid=myuser, gid=mygroup   <= or something like that
[10:36] <nikkia> grrrrr, all i want is a imap server that is reasonably secure, is that so much to ask ?
[10:36] <mark> qbit: i have set uid=mark,gid=mark and it only too effect for the root of the dvd.. ie the /media/cdrom0 directory. everything in it was still drwx------ for the nonexistant 501 user
[10:37] <qbit> hrmmm - i don't have that problem
[10:38] <qbit> i just looked at my system and don't have a 501 user either
[10:38] <mark> its a fresh install
[10:41] <mark> if i use usermod to change my id and group to 501... will that cause problems?
[10:43] <othernoob> how do i fake the OS data firefox sends to a website?
[10:44] <qbit> mark: I would suspect something because users usually start at 1001 and up with those less that 1000 usually reserved for system or daemon usage
[10:44] <Jwir3> onewing: what are you trying to do?
[10:45] <onewing> Jwir3: anytime i run ./configure i get "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"
[10:46] <Jwir3> hmmm
[10:46] <qbit> mark: but if their is indeed no "501" user I don't see how it could hurt either, but it also seems to me that you could change permissions in some other way
[10:46] <qbit> mark: notice that "user" and "users" in fstab combined with uid=me, gid=me mean different things
[10:47] <qbit> man fstab and mount for more details
[11:03] <ray_> hey openoffice is all kde-look now woooo hoooo
[11:07] <JayParadise> is upgrading from kde 3.4 to 3.4.1 worthless or a pain?
[11:07] <ray_> i had bugs when i upgraded.....and found no real difference
[11:08] <ray_> but its not a  pain
[11:08] <ray_> i mean........ you might be more successful
[11:10] <tdmg> okay
[11:10] <tdmg> anyone still here to help me with my Valknutproblem?
[11:11] <Mez> grr
[11:11] <Mez> you got there before me
[11:11] <ray_> tdmg: whats the prob
[11:11] <tdmg> well
[11:11] <tdmg> I have it all loaded
[11:11] <tdmg> I have my hub set and all
[11:11] <JayParadise> well koffice is certainly easy to get so far, just updated sources list and hit apt-get upgrade and BAM
[11:11] <tdmg> but it says that I'm using the wrong password
[11:12] <tdmg> I checked up online, and they said to make the hub a bookmark and use the password there
[11:12] <tdmg> but that still doesn't work :(
[11:12] <ray_> tdmg: wow i have no idea
[11:12] <ray_> tdmg: what is this software?
[11:12] <tdmg> Valknut
[11:13] <ray_> tdmg: and that is.....
[11:13] <tdmg> who should I ask about this or where should I go?
[11:13] <tdmg> dcgui
[11:13] <ray_> tdmg: try #ubuntu
[11:13] <tdmg> okay
[11:13] <ray_> brb
[11:14] <JayParadise> im definatley not upgrading it today, i spent half of last night fixing X when it got stuck in low resolution, after hours of analyzing log files, i UNPLUGGED rather than restart the computer and that fixed it
[11:18] <ray_> what is a good alternative to firefox....so i dont have to get all those gnome dependencies
[11:22] <apokryphos> Mez: congrats =). You do the backports, I believe? Great stuff, thanks. 8)
[11:22] <Mez> yes
[11:22] <ray_> Mez: yeah thanks man 
[11:22] <claydoh> tdmg: password are a pain in valknut, lemme find a good link to tthat
[11:23] <Mez> ray_, I was responding to apokryphos 
[11:23] <apokryphos> ray_: Konqueror and Opera are better IMO
[11:23] <ray_> Mez: yeah i know....but i wanted to thank you as well
[11:24] <ray_> apokryphos: can you get java and mplayer to  work in those?
[11:24] <apokryphos> sure
[11:24] <Mez> oh, fair enough ray_ 
[11:24] <ray_> apokryphos: not to be a pain but do you know of a link to show me how to do that?
[11:26] <apokryphos> ray_: for konqueror at least you should be able to just install them both then go to Configure Konqueror and select there
[11:26] <tdmg> YES!
[11:26] <tdmg> I got onto Valknut!
[11:26] <tdmg> I'm making money yet again! :D
[11:26] <tdmg> thanks guys! :D
[11:26] <ray_> apokryphos: oh nice....... thankyou
[11:28] <ray_> apokryphos: is mplayer in universe or multiverse?
[11:28] <apokryphos> !find mozilla-mplayer
[11:28] <ubotu> mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla, Konqueror and OpenOffice.org), section multiverse/misc, is optional. Version: 2.70-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 300 kB
[11:29] <ray_> very nice thank you
[11:30] <apokryphos> might actually not work with Opera; I'm checking now
[11:30] <ray_> apokryphos: dont sweat it i will  just use konq
[11:32] <Kejk_PL> oh God, I spended two days to help uber_newber install his USB WLAN - echo /sbin/hotplug in  /etc/rcS.d/S40hotplug
[11:32] <Kejk_PL> that should be fixed
[11:32] <Kejk_PL> if not - firmware won't load :/
[11:36] <scythe> got a question, everytime i go to enable my nic, in the control panel, it wont let me
[11:37] <scythe> i enter the root password, and it goes to the default screen for the control panel, any clues?
[11:37] <ray_> in term do a sudo kcontrol
[11:37] <ray_> then you can control it
[11:37] <scythe> ahhh, ive been using the administrator mode button on the applet... ill try that
[11:38] <ray_> yeah that administrator button never works for me
[11:39] <scythe> doh, and Ive been dl ubuntu because it always worked when I had ubuntu (the gnome version) with kde installed
[11:39] <apokryphos> It should in theory, but seems to randomly not work for some; works here.
[11:40] <nikkia> ray, sudo kcontrol is a bad suggestion, it can mess up permissions on /tmp/kde-*/*, particularly the dcop sockets, you're better off doing kdesu kcontrol
[11:40] <scythe> i may have to try that.... I am not looking forward to the 1.75 day wait for dvd image to down load
[11:41] <apokryphos> hm, yeah, Opera doesn't detect mozilla plugin :|
[11:42] <apokryphos> hey nikkia 
[11:42] <nikkia> hey apokryphos 
[11:42] <ray_> nikkia: really thanks....and sorry if i gave bad info
[11:42] <nikkia> as i said earlier, there are two netscape ABIs
[11:42] <scythe> ABIs?
[11:42] <nikkia> application binary interface
[11:43] <nikkia> scythe: but don't worry about it, that comment was to apokryphos  :)
[11:43] <scythe> ok, noob time, what are they used for?
[11:43] <scythe> im just trying to learn everything i can here
[11:43] <nikkia> scythe: whenever you have something where a binary program is used, especially in cases where it is used by another program, you are at the whim of the ABI
[11:44] <scythe> ahh, k
[11:44] <nikkia> in the case of netscape plugins, if opera only implements one of the 2 ABIs, and i believe it does, then you're limited to only that set of netscape plugins working with it
[11:45] <apokryphos> which ones are they?
[11:45] <nikkia> scythe: another example of ABIs is the C++ ABI, where libraries compiled with gcc 2.95.2 can't be linked against with gcc 3.*, and vice versa
[11:46] <scythe> your right, i wont worry about it... my fault for asking :)
[11:46] <ray_> lol
[11:47] <nikkia> apokryphos: 'o32' and 'n32' iirc
[11:47] <ray_> ok step one complete i got java in konqeror
[11:47] <ray_> no time for mplayer
[11:47] <nikkia> java plugins are always oji (o32) i think
[11:47] <ray_> *now time for mplayer
[11:47] <apokryphos> ray_: for mplayer it should be enough to just install that package, I think. Konq already has the ~/.mozilla folder to scan for plugins, I believe
[11:48] <ray_> apokryphos: thanks we will find out
[11:49] <nikkia> hmm, no, o32 and n32 are something different
[11:49] <ray_> setting up java in konqeror was a breeze 
[11:49] <apokryphos> =)
[11:49] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm sure there's a second ABI for netscape plugins tho
[11:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: i remember an issue with having a plugin in the 'wrong' format years ago
[11:51] <ray_> apokryphos: A problem occur while loading a library or a decoder: wmvdmod.dll .....thats becuase i need the w32codecs right
[11:51] <apokryphos> I think so, yes.
[11:52] <nikkia> ray, yep
[11:52] <scythe> yes
[11:52] <nikkia> bit spooky actually
[11:52] <nikkia> i just had that same error 15 minutes ago
[11:52] <nikkia> had forgotten to install  w32codecs, and tried to use xine to view the frame city killer trailer
[11:53] <apokryphos> Reminds me of one of the residents at my work; he's pretty paranoid; thinks there's a huge conspiracy out there, and that the world's against him
[11:53] <ray_> nikkia: thanks im downloading now
[11:53] <apokryphos> very intelligent/well-read man though. Odd stuff. 
[11:54] <scythe> its not paranoia if they really are out to get you
[11:54] <apokryphos> no longer reads books; asked why and he just says, "Imagine if someone dumped 30 books made you read them all and then took the information from you". :|
[11:54] <apokryphos> scythe: sure :P
[11:54] <nikkia> apokryphos: what reminded you of that?
[11:54] <ray_> sounds like an interesting guy
[11:54] <scythe> hehe, ignorance is bliss
[11:54] <ray_> lol
[11:54] <apokryphos> nikkia: "spooky" ;-)
[11:54] <nikkia> erm, ok
[11:55] <apokryphos> chain of causation is odd, isn't it? 8)
[11:55] <nikkia> yellow
[11:55] <apokryphos> anyhow, he also no longer keeps TVs -- asked me how I didn't know there was a vid camera in it
[11:55] <scythe> is his last name larouche?
[11:56] <apokryphos> nope
[11:56] <apokryphos> I actually think it's down to an author he read a lot of. Said he'd read around 40 out of 60 of his books; was about conspiracy theories
[11:56] <apokryphos> didn't actually find out if he read them before/after it started though
[11:56] <ray_> how do i clear history in the location bar of konqeror
[11:57] <scythe> the reason i ask is lindon larouche is that type of person, and he runs for president on a more regular basis than ross perot
[11:57] <nikkia> apokryphos: just as long as he doesn't start reading Erik von Daniken :P
[11:57] <apokryphos> ray_: in Configure -> History ?
[11:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: btw, i wasted 3 blank DVDs thanks to KDE today
[11:58] <ray_> mplayer now works thanks apokryphos 
[11:58] <apokryphos> nikkia: heh, how come? Thank God they're real cheap these days though, at least.
[11:58] <apokryphos> ray_: cool! No worries.
[11:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: kded's media component
[11:59] <scythe> at least they were +rw /dl disks, those are still 7 dollars a pop
[11:59] <apokryphos> ah, never used
[11:59] <nikkia> apokryphos: and it is a big deal, i only had 10 or so left, and was trying to wait until after pay day
[11:59] <nikkia> as it was, i had to order 100 more
[11:59] <apokryphos> how much do you get them for there?
[11:59] <nikkia> 10/100 ? something like that
[11:59] <apokryphos> Better than me ;-). Around 16
[12:00] <nikkia> i can buy them locally for 6/50
[12:01] <apokryphos> nikkia: do you get your comps from the net?
[12:01] <nikkia> comps?