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dholbachbonsoir messieurs dames09:17
Mezbon soiree messeur holbach09:18
dholbachMez: comment allez-vous?09:19
MezJ'ai .... fam09:21
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=== jan1 grumbles, should have learnt spanish
dholbachjan1: we were trying to talk french :)09:21
jan1I know mr owner-of-murphy :)09:21
=== Mez rit
jan1they took my real mick09:22
jan1nick09:22
dholbachjan1: who did?09:22
jan1someone who is prolly also called jani09:22
jan1;)09:22
ograjan1, didnt register it ?09:23
jan1ogra, I guess not :)09:23
ograyou really should09:23
jan1I am still an irc noob09:23
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dholbachseb128: WOOHOO! :)09:27
seb128hey daniel09:27
seb128TB today?09:27
dholbachyeah09:27
madduckthe hall is filling up...09:27
dholbach22:00 our time09:27
MezTB in 30 mins :D09:28
Mezw00t09:28
Mez:P09:28
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bddebianHeya madduck09:33
madduckhi09:33
JanCt'aimes parler le franais de temps en temps, monsieur dholbach ?   :)09:34
dholbachJanC: de temps en temps, mais il me faut apprendre plus :)09:35
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madduckbnt, c'est une distro franaise?09:39
madduckmais alors, c'est riglo!09:39
JaneWgooie naant almal09:44
JaneWek gaan gou koffie kry, voor die afskraak begin09:44
\shJaneW: thank u very much :)09:45
\shfinally another coffee junky ,-)09:46
jan1was that Dutch or Afrikaans?09:47
\shafrikaans09:47
JaneW\sh lol09:47
jan1they look pretty similiar from distance at least :)09:47
JaneW\sh wasn;t sure if anyone would understand09:47
\shJaneW: I can understand a bit :)09:47
\shat least: koffie 09:48
\shlol09:48
\shek = I09:48
JaneWyes it is pretty similar to dutch, but with less funny characters I think 09:48
madduckJaneW: if you know english and german, afrikaans can be read most of the times. at least the gist can be extracted most of the time.09:48
jan1good night all, someone does soemthing with a coffe before the meeting begins? 09:48
bddebianOH yeah smoke break, good idea :-) \sh care to join me.. ;-P09:48
JaneWand visa versa and can figure out a lot of german (and norwegian) from knowing afrikaans09:48
madducks/visa/vice/ IIRC09:49
madduckbut yeah09:49
JaneWsorry09:49
madducksorry? dude... :)09:50
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JaneWanyway since everyone else seems to speak other languages, I thought I'd give it a try - not that my afrikaans is very good anyway.09:50
madduckwhere are you from?09:50
\shjanew: there is a funny word..."mapumpaan" or something? My ex never told me how to write it ,-)09:50
JaneWwhat?09:50
JaneWmeaning...09:50
JaneWmadduck: SA09:51
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madduckJaneW: nice! i love your country!09:51
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JaneWhi gothcat09:51
\shactually something like "lovley idiot" I actually don't know..she never gave me the meaning...but every time I smashed a glas, "Look, you mampumpaan" or something like this09:51
JaneWmadduck: I think it's pretty cool too09:51
gothcatJaneW: hi09:51
JaneWnot mampaara ?09:52
pittiHey madduck, how's it going09:52
madduckpitti!09:52
\shJaneW: well...I wrote it like it sounds in german ,-) 09:52
\shJaneW: forget it ... totally OT :)09:52
madduckpitti: i am ready to roll but things are holding me back. see mail. there are two other non-debian projects like that. but i'm good. vacation on friday!09:53
madduckand i am reading this paper about a high-level cognitive architecture for robots and it's making me laugh.09:53
JaneW5 minutes09:55
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\shg'evening sistpoty 09:55
sistpotyhi sh09:55
sistpotygna, i can't type your nick g09:55
\shsistpoty: i use xmodmap i know ;)09:56
Mez\sh :D09:57
MezTue Jul 26 20:00:18 UTC 200510:00
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mdzgood morning10:00
Mezevening mdz10:00
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mdzKeybuk: will "the sab" be joining us today?10:01
Keybukbread roll sent ...10:02
KeybukI think so10:02
Mezdid you just throw a bread roll at him scorr?10:02
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Mezs/scorr/scott/10:03
Keybukpretty much10:03
pittidid it work?10:03
Keybuknot sure ...10:04
mdzsistpoty: are you here?10:04
mdz\sh: and you?10:04
\shyes10:04
sistpotyyes10:04
\shI'm here10:04
mdzexcellent10:04
Mezlol :D I like the cheek Keybuk 10:04
mdzhow about the MOTU candidates?      *10:04
mdz      AnkurKotwal10:04
mdz    *10:04
mdz      RajasekarKarthik10:04
mdz    *10:04
mdz      Stefanpotyra10:05
mdz    *10:05
mdz      JorgeDaza10:05
mdz    *10:05
mdz      SebastianDroege10:05
mdz    *10:05
mdz      MartinMeredith10:05
mdz    *10:05
mdz      BarrydeFreese10:05
mdz    *10:05
mdz      ChristianBjlevik10:05
mdzfirefox cut and paste leaves something to be desired10:05
\shUnfrgiven was approved (AnkurKotwal)10:05
mdzMez: you're here10:05
dholbachAnkurKotwal (unfrgiven) already IS a MOTU10:05
ograAnkurKotwal is already MOTU but didnt show up for some time10:05
Mezyes, I'm here10:05
mdzhmm, the page is out of date10:05
slomoSebastianDroege  <--- that's me10:05
mdzdholbach,ogra: please remove anyone who was already processed10:05
Nafallomdz: I'm here (ChristianBjlevik)10:05
bddebian<-- Barry deFreese10:05
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madduckmdz: i was invited to join10:05
madduckMartinKrafft10:05
Mez<-- Martin Meredith10:06
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sabdflhi all10:06
ogramdz, done10:06
dholbachmdz: i'd have preferred if he had proudly removed himself from that list, but i'll caretake next time :)10:06
sabdflapologies for being late10:06
sabdflwhere are we on the agenda?10:06
mdzmadduck: you're on the "needs to show up again" list, which means you were on the list for a previous meeting but weren't present for consideration10:06
dholbachsabdfl: we just started :)10:06
mdzsabdfl: just sorting maintainer candidates10:06
sabdflthanks10:06
siretarthi sabdfl 10:06
mdzmadduck: go ahead and move your name up to the top10:06
Mezsabdfl, was the bread roll stale?10:06
bddebianHello sabdfl10:06
sabdflMez: spectacularly10:07
Mez:)10:07
mdzogra: thanks10:07
sabdflhey madduck, welcome10:07
mdzok, starting from the top then10:08
mdzis RajasekarKarthik present?10:08
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\shI didn't know him, honestly10:08
mdzok, -> needs to show up again10:08
Mezkarthik08510:09
madducksabdfl: thanks & hi10:09
Mezwho didnt show up to CC either10:09
mdzStefanpotyra10:09
mdz#10:09
mdz?10:09
Mezso isnt a member10:09
\shyeah..but I never saw him on motu10:09
ograMez, i can read ;)10:09
sistpotyStefanpotyra is /me10:09
Mezogra - hit enter by msitake - was saying he;s not a meber10:09
mdzsistpoty: welcome10:09
ograsistpoty, i havent seen many packages of you yet ...10:09
sistpotyhadn't much time recently... will be better after thursday10:10
ograsistpoty, have you any more references ?10:10
sistpoty(exams)10:10
ograah10:10
sistpotyno more than on the wiki page10:10
mdzthere's no rush; we can always consider you at a later date when you've had more time to devote to MOTU work10:10
sistpotyno problem for me ;)10:10
dholbachsistpoty: thanks for working on ghc610:10
sistpotyyou10:10
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sistpoty+ re welcome10:10
ograsistpoty, yeah, and thatks for the revu work :)10:11
ograthanks even10:11
\shsistpoty is one of our revu guys...10:11
mdzsistpoty: just add yourself to the agenda again when the time comes10:11
sistpotyok, i will do so10:11
sabdflsistpoty: welcome, it's good to have you here. it takes a little while to get everyone up to speed on your contribution, so make sure to keep a record of stuff you do, on your wiki page10:11
sistpotyok, and thanks10:12
mdznext, JorgeDaza10:12
mdzdoes anyone know Jorge's IRC nick?10:12
\shcomadreja 10:12
slomocomadreja10:12
mdzcomadreja: ping?10:12
ogramdz, i'd like to see him as motu10:12
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ograhe's comadrej, but his wife has her b-day oday10:12
ogracomadreja even10:13
ograhe aplologized before 10:13
\shcomadreja was working with me on the merger list and did quite good work 10:13
sabdflsiretart: nice icons for revu2 :-)10:13
ograhis packaging skills improved a lot over the last weeks10:13
mdzogra: we can consider him in absentia if there are sufficient references10:13
dholbachi only heard good stuff about about him (but was away from irc the last ... hum ... days)10:13
siretartsabdfl: most planning work up to know was from sistpoty ;) - but thanks :)10:14
ogramdz, i'd like to hear something from \sh or siretart 10:14
mdzwho has been sponsoring his uploads?10:14
=== \sh was it
ogra\sh, what do you think ? ready enough ?10:14
=== siretart sponsored mainly slomo
\shmost of the time..if there wasn't a debdiff applied I mentioned this in the changelog incl. bug entry10:14
ogra\sh, but were the debdiffs you saw ok ?10:14
\shogra: yes very good...no bugs10:15
ograoki... 10:15
Mezbrb.. loo10:15
siretartI'm confident that he knows how to make packages, according to what I have seen from revu so far10:15
ograso there would be a +1 from me... 10:15
ograsiretart, thats what i wanted to hear ;)10:15
sabdflseems good enough for MOTU and membership10:15
mdzagreed10:15
Keybukagree10:15
ograyep10:16
dholbachcool :)10:16
\shand another plus is: he is freelancer and has sometimes more time then I have :)10:16
madduckfreelancers don't have time. :)10:16
ograhehe10:16
sabdfli guess that's 3 out of 3 :-)10:16
siretartwhich is near impossible ;)10:16
mdzcomadreja: welcome to the team10:16
ograyay... i'll mail him :)10:16
Mezbackl10:16
sabdflwho will pass the news on?10:16
sabdflok10:16
mdzMez is up next10:16
sabdflthanks ogra10:16
Mezisnt slomo up next?10:16
mdzMez: you're right, my cursor was wrong10:17
Mez:P10:17
mdzslomo: are you here?10:17
siretarthe is for sure10:17
slomoyes, i'm here10:17
bddebianslomo gets my vote even though I don't get one :-)10:17
siretart:)10:17
ograslomo... i guess there is consensus among MOTU for him10:17
siretarthe did really rocking work for MOTUMedia, and used revu quite a lot10:17
dholbachhe gets mine as well - i sponsored some uploads for him and he did excellent work on finding patches and he works nicely with the team,10:17
ograOR AM I WRONG ??10:17
mdzbddebian: testimonials count, if you can elaborate a bit about your experience working with slomo10:18
ogra:)10:18
\shyes..he's doing good work and fixes my bloody typos ,-)10:18
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bddebianmdz: Slomo has been very helpful/supportive of my efforts10:18
Mez\sh - you missed out an eye again10:18
siretarthe did real rocking work in helping fellow MOTU's and MOTUs to be in #ubuntu-motu10:18
mdzsounds like a ringing endorsement from MOTU10:18
ograabsolutely10:18
ograhe's done grat work10:18
ogragreat even10:18
Mezslomo's helped out a lot with me aswell10:18
bddebianOh you beat me to it ogra :-)10:18
Mez+ he's a backporter - so even better :D10:19
JaneW\sh: I need someone to do that for me ;)10:19
mdzKeybuk,sabdfl: votes?10:19
Keybuk++10:19
sabdflslomo: can you say in one sentence where you'd like to take ubuntu? in the sense of how you'd like to enhance it and which areas you'd like to contribute to?10:19
\shJaneW: ask slomo, he's quite good in things like this :)10:19
slomosabdfl: i want to help wherever i can... mostly fixing bugs, packaging new stuff (mostly multimedia related) and so on... and i'm searching for new areas where i can be useful ;)10:20
sabdflok. great endorsements from the MOTU, so +1 from me10:20
\shslomo said to me, he will cxx trans the ace package :)10:20
mdzslomo: what specific areas of multimedia interest you, out of curiosity?10:20
slomo\sh: psss ;) i'll try but i can't promise anything10:20
\shslomo: I will help you when I can :)10:21
sabdflslomo: great wiki page - makes it an easy +1 from me :-)10:21
slomomdz: mostly supporting new formats... currently i'm working on a gst-plugins-multiverse package which was started by tseng10:21
mdzslomo: interesting, I'd like to hear more about it later10:21
mdz+1 from me10:21
dholbachSUPER! :)10:21
ograyay10:22
slomothanks everybody :)10:22
dokoslomo: you did some work on the bug tracking system, are you interested in this work?10:22
mdzslomo: congratulations10:22
ograwlcome !10:22
\shslomo: welcome to the real world :) 10:22
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siretartslomo: welcome to the team! :)10:22
=== mdz shines the spotlight on Mez
sabdfldrumroll10:22
slomodoko: what exactly do you mean?10:22
=== Mez shines a laser at mdz
mdzMez has been spearheading the official backports project10:22
dokoslomo: let's delay that after the meeting10:22
Keybuk...Mez sucks at persuading people to get his key signed ;o)10:22
=== ogra thinks Mez should show us that he is capable to build empty packages ;
ogra;)10:23
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slomodoko: ok, fine with me :)10:23
MezKeybuk - just cause I dont have enough money to buy you a pint or 7,or enough to travel10:23
mdzogra: empty packages?10:23
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ogramdz, he wants to build a empty transition package10:23
siretartMez has done quite a bunch of packages in revu, they looked fine so far..10:23
pittiMez: you have to buy elmo a pint, not Keybuk :-)10:23
ogramdz, but didnt get it working today :)10:23
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Mezpitti, to get Keybuk to sign my key10:24
RiddellMez has updated the k3b package which was great (and is now doing k3b-i18n)10:24
Mezogra: yes, obviously, I've not made a blank package, but I'm working on it :D10:24
ograbut to be honest i think he's already in a state to build good "non-empty" packages ;)10:24
sabdflMez has been very active, we've corresponded a few times. can't comment on packaging but i do appreciate his input and ideas10:24
MezIt's really confusing D:10:24
\shI had an "quick" overview about the packages of Mez in REVU..and they looked quite good...but sometimes he's asking too many stupid questions ;-)10:24
mdzMez: what sort of work have you done on kubuntu so far?10:25
\shmez is also doing quite good work with k3b10:25
Mez\sh - that'd be cause I'm nervous so far10:25
\shI think riddell can say also some things about mez10:25
\shRiddell: ping?10:25
Mezmdz: working on packaging k3b mainly, and I've packages konversation 0.1810:25
ograMez, if you promise to ask twice for packages you cant cope with i'm fine with a +1 :)10:25
mdzcarpet guy is at the door, back in a moment10:25
Mezogra: I ask 3 times for packages I can lol - so thats nota problem10:25
\shMez: u don't have too :) 10:26
bddebianheh10:26
Nafalloogra: cope? coop?10:26
bddebiancope10:26
Mezoh, and kubuntu - I'm also helping the katapult project along10:26
sabdflmdz: send 'em home with carpet burns, i say10:26
RiddellI support Mez's his maintainership10:26
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ograNafallo, not cope -> coop rather ;)10:26
=== sabdfl hopes bubbles isn't listening
Mez\sh - I'm nbervous, I dont like getting things wrong and getting b***ched at for it :D10:26
=== siretart also supports Mez. He was very helpful in #ubuntu-motu and is a really quick learner
MezI'd rather ask quesitons than act on intuition and get it wrong10:27
\shso +1 for Mez from me...10:27
siretartand: he is available :)10:27
JaneWMez: good approach10:27
Mezsiretart, no, I have a gf :P10:27
siretart;)10:27
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Mezbut I know what you mean10:27
Keybukhmm, that could be a substantial draw on Mez's time ... :)10:28
NafalloMez: make your gf available to :-)10:28
bddebianKeybuk: lol10:28
bddebianNafallo: That could be taken the wrong way.. ;-P10:28
MezNafallo, I'm trying to persuade her to move to kubuntu - but she doesnt wanna have to lose all her movies :D10:28
\shJaneW: yes it is...10:28
Nafallobddebian: dooh! ;-)10:28
jasoncohenI found dependency problems on konversation .18 and firefox 1.0.4 from backports-staging and Mez was on it almost immediately. he packaged and had a new konversation that same night (a dependency on kdelibs 3.4.1 prevented kubuntu-desktop from installing)10:28
ograbddebian, Nafallo did that too, meet her in -artwork ;)10:28
bddebianheh10:28
Nafalloogra: gothcat is here ;-)10:28
ograhi gothcat :)10:29
Mezbut to be fair - my gf loves (k)ubuntu - and has done some artwork for it :D10:29
Mez*Shrugs*10:29
jasoncohenwhen where are problems Mez fixes them immediately10:29
gothcatogra: hi *waves*10:29
ograMez, poke her to the artwork team ;)10:29
\shMez: hug her :) love her :) don't give her away :) chain her with a ring ;)10:29
siretartheh :)10:29
Mezogra :D will try10:29
Mezand \sh - all in due time10:29
sabdflok, mdz will be afk for a few minutes, i'll chair till he's back10:29
sabdflMez: you get +1 from me. keybuk?10:30
Nafallo\sh: give her to *ubuntu rather ;-)10:30
Keybuk++ also10:30
=== slomo also supports Mez, he helped me with some things, was really responsive and his stuff at revu looks fine for me ;)
Mezty sabdfl, keybuk (I'll get you a pint at some point whe/if I'm in brum)10:30
madduckthat's post-bribery!10:30
sabdflok, Mez, in mdz's absence I'm happy to go with keybuk's +1 and mine10:30
sabdflwelcome aboard10:30
ograyay10:30
Keybukheh, that would involve _me_ being in Brum at some point! :-/10:31
ograhello MOTUMez10:31
dholbachWOW! :)10:31
=== sabdfl was already typing before the bribery came through.. Brazil lag is great :-)
ograheh10:31
\shMez: welcome :) Backport MOTU  SPOC :)10:31
bddebianMez: Congrats man :-)10:31
sabdflKeybuk: somehow i think you always land with your Brum in the butter10:31
comadrejahello10:31
siretartMez: Welcome to the Team! :)10:31
NafalloMez: yay! congrats :-).10:31
ograso it sems we have a MOTUBackports leader now :)10:31
slomocongrats Mez :)10:31
MezKeybuk, yeah, thats what I though10:31
Mez:D10:31
Nafallocongrats comadreja :-)10:31
\shcomadreja: congrats for becoming a MOTU dude :)10:31
comadreja:D10:32
siretartcomadreja: You, too! Welcome in MOTU Land ;)10:32
slomoand congrats comadreja :)10:32
bddebianYeah comadreja, congrats in absentia :-)10:32
comadreja:D10:32
ogracomadreja, i just mailed you :)10:32
sabdflbddebian: you're up!10:32
comadrejathanks !!!10:32
bddebianUh oh10:32
sabdflcomadreja: welcome :-)10:32
comadrejaI found an open wlan10:32
bddebiancomadreja: :-)10:32
comadrejaI'm sitting on the street :D10:32
ograhehe10:32
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sabdflcomadreja: look out for those black helicopters10:32
sabdflhey Amaranth10:32
madduckbddebian: don't leave after this. we need to talk zope-*10:32
dholbachogra: did we ever have so many MOTUs in one night?10:32
ograenjoy the party and congrats to your wife for her b-day10:32
Nafallomorning Amaranth :-)10:32
bddebianmadduck: We do?10:33
madduckbddebian: we do.10:33
ogradholbach, nope :)10:33
bddebianmadduck: OK10:33
sabdflbddebian: how's NUN coming along?10:33
dholbachogra: it feels SOOO good :)10:33
ograyeah !!10:33
jasoncohencongratulations Mez 10:33
Mezsabdfl, nun's coming along well :D10:33
bddebiansabdfl: Good but to be honest I have been slacking a little with NUN lately trying to help with MOTUTOMerg10:33
bddebian+e10:33
ograwher you did a great job !10:33
sabdflok10:33
sabdflbddebian: where would you say you've been making your biggest contribution?10:34
sabdfland do you have an area you'd like to focus on going forward from a code + packaging point of view?10:34
\shbddebian helped us a lot with tagging merge bugs...10:34
ograwe are down to less the 100 merges from 220 in 5 days ... 10:34
ogra!!!!!10:34
\shogra: under 10010:34
bddebianI hope the merge issues but I haven't gotten a great deal of feedback except from \sh10:34
ograthen even10:34
mdzbddebian: I saw some uploads with your name on them; who has been sponsoring you?10:34
sabdflthat's awesome bddebian - thanks!10:34
bddebiansabdfl: Anywhere I can help to be honest10:34
Keybukahh, so it's bddebian that's been filling my INBOX, is it? :)10:35
bddebianmdz: No one, that is part of the reason I have come.10:35
bddebianKeybuk: Probably, sorry10:35
ograKeybuk, yes10:35
ograheh10:35
sabdflbddebian: are you a gnome or kde type? or something lighter?10:35
NafalloKeybuk: install procmail dude ;-)10:35
mdzbddebian: I don't follow; who has been uploading your packages for you?10:35
\shKeybuk: yes, with my name on it 10:35
KeybukNafallo: I still read all the merge-o-matic traffic10:35
ogramdz, \sh mostly10:35
bddebianmdz: \sh for the merge stuff, I don't think anyone has looked at my REVU stuff10:35
bddebiansabdfl: I probably don't have the skillset for that yet10:36
mdz\sh: what is your assessment of his packaging work?10:36
dholbachbddebian: i hope we'll all cover some stuff on review day, 28th of july *hint hint*10:36
ograbddebian, would you prefer to wait 2 weeks ?10:36
mdz\sh,bddebian: ah, so these were purely MOM output then?10:36
bddebiandholbach: OK10:36
ogramdz, yep10:36
bddebianmdz: Which?10:36
ograbddebian, the uploads10:36
\shmdz: yes..most of the time he tested the MOMs and tagged the bugs for me...so I could take it easily10:36
Amaranthmorning *late*10:36
ograAmaranth, we get used to it *g*10:37
bddebianogra: As with CC, I'm not expecting anything so if you all think I should wait, I am fine with that10:37
bddebianHello Amaranth10:37
\shmdz: after all, I'm lacking with reviewing...so someone else needs to talk about his new packages10:37
ograbddebian, i'd like to see some more stuff from you beyond MOM10:37
bddebianFair enough10:37
sabdflbddebian: you're making a big impression on the bug front, tagging etc, so your contribution is hugely appreciated10:38
bddebiansabdfl: Thank you10:38
sabdflon the packaging front, maybe find a package that really interests you and jazz it up some10:38
Amaranthisn't bddebian the weirdo behind the Debian GNU/Hurd stuff?10:38
ograbddebian, but i'm sure youre good to go in  weeks.... you'll get my vote, just go on as you do ;)10:38
bddebianogra: Have some suggestions10:38
ogras/weeks/2 weeks10:38
bddebianAmaranth: Yep :-)10:38
\shbddebian: We need you...you and your jokes :) and you and your knowledge..let's do some realwork and don't tell yourself, u r a noob, you are not10:38
sabdflonce the motu are more familiar with your approach, come back10:38
madduckbddebian: pkg-zope will have enough (!) grounds for you to profile yourself, if you are interested!10:38
KeybukI think bddebian's making some great contributions, but I'd like to see a bit more packaging from him first10:39
dholbachbddebian: exactly what stephan said - it's always funny with you - you'll enhance the MOTU team in a great way :)10:39
\shKeybuk: sorry for spamming your inbox btw ,-)10:39
sabdflNafallo: around?10:40
Nafallosabdfl: here :-)10:40
Keybuk\sh: hey, it's no problem ;)  rather I saw more than less when it comes to merge traffic and -changes :p10:40
siretartabsolutly. and now, as we have more MOTU's reviewing should go more quickly ;)10:40
sabdflNafallo: got your pitch ready to roll? :-)10:40
ograNafallo  is a +1 from me in advance 10:40
sabdflogra: care to elaborate?10:40
slomosiretart:  and i'll do some reviewing this night ;)10:40
sabdflthere's not much detail on it might be worth finding a specific 10:40
sabdflhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChristianBj%c3%a4levik10:41
sabdflsorry10:41
ograhe's around since a looong time, helped a lot with the MOTU already ...10:41
Nafallowell, I've been around helping out and mostly applied patches here and there :-)10:41
NafalloI've one of those trying to backport stuff for UniverseSecurity.10:41
bddebianOK, gents thanks.  SOrry for spacing there for a sec10:41
pittiNafallo: would you like to get more involved in universe security?10:41
dholbachbddebian: what are you sorry-ing for? :)10:42
bddebiandholbach: Delayed reaction :-)10:42
pittiNafallo: astharot hasn't been around recently, he has some RL issues10:42
Nafallopitti: at some point.10:42
Nafallopitti: I want to get back on that horse, but right now I feel like I should do some other packaging to :-)10:43
pittiNafallo: right, no objection to that :-)10:43
sabdflok. Nafallo - it would help us for this if there was more of a list of packages you've touched on your wiki page10:44
sabdflif ogra and the motu are ++ for you, then that's the ticket, but it helps to have some specifics on your wiki page so the TB have a bit of context10:44
=== ogra considers Nafallo to be very carful with packaging and a good teamworker
sabdflthats a good vote of confidence10:44
\shI thought nafallo is motu already..10:44
ograheh10:44
sabdflanybody else on the MOTU worked with Nafallo?10:44
Nafallosabdfl: I know. I did that page for CC, but I haven't got a history on my harddrive anymore ;-)10:44
\sh+1 for nafallo10:44
siretartI really wondered why isn't a motu yet. I've only seen good work from him so far10:44
Keybukwho's been sponsoring Nafallo's uploads?10:44
NafalloKeybuk: good question. I've been visiting Tollef and Karianne this weekend :-)10:45
Nafalloso I haven't read through my e-mail yet ;-)10:45
Nafalloso.. more questions? :-)10:46
sabdflwell you couldn't get a better mentor than tollef :-)10:46
mdzbased on motu recommendations, I'm happy with Nafallo10:47
ograNafallo, didnt you also do patch stuff for the Cxx transition ?10:47
Keybukas long as Tollef doesn't teach him to bite10:47
ograheh10:47
ogratollef bites ?10:47
gothcatlol10:47
Nafalloogra: hmm, not sure. _that_ was some time ago :-).10:48
=== sabdfl has no idea what canonical people get up to in their spare time :-)
dholbachKeybuk: sounds like this debconf was THE debconf not to miss :)10:48
sabdflok, +1 from me too10:48
=== ogra makes a note to keep distance to tollef in the future
Keybuk++ from me10:48
ogradholbach, it was :(10:48
sabdflwelcome aboard Nafallo10:48
ograyay10:48
ogragothcat, hug him from us please ;)10:48
Nafalloyay! thanx sabdfl mdz Keybuk and all supporters! :-D10:49
siretartNafallo: welcome in MOTU Land! :)10:49
=== \sh does the MOTU dance for Nafallo
ografinally10:49
=== Nafallo does the security dance :-)
mdzNafallo: congratulations10:49
dholbachincredible :)10:49
\shNafallo: give pitti a hand...he needs at least 8 more :)10:49
=== gothcat hug Nafallo and give him a kiss
ogra********* everybody who got approved, please get yourself of the wikipage !!! ************10:49
ograoff even10:50
bddebian:'-(10:50
bddebian:-)10:50
pittiNafallo: congrats :-)10:50
=== ogra hugs bddebian
mdzthere is still one more candidate to process; madduck added himself since the start of the meeting10:50
JaneW*applause*10:50
ograbddebian, next time10:50
dholbach*** and put yourself on wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU and read wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads ***10:50
Nafallopitti: thanx for everything :-)10:50
ogramdz, is this something we need to discuss ? 10:50
\shso...i can jump out for a 2 mins10:50
bddebianogra: No worries, I'm just happy to help, if I'm helping :-)10:50
Nafalloogra: get on what wikipage? :-)10:50
pittiNafallo: well, thanks to you for your work so far. maybe bugzilla finally gets uploaded :-)10:50
mdzogra: pardon?10:51
ograNafallo, off from MaintainerCandidates and on the MOTU page10:51
ogramdz, madduck10:51
Nafallopitti: you haven't yet? oki, I'll up that ASAP then ;-)10:51
Nafalloogra: ah, oki. I will :-).10:51
mdzogra: unless he has changed his mind, yes, he is on the agenda10:51
ogramdz, i thought he's DD long enough ;)10:51
sabdflis madduck a member yet?10:51
madduckno, doko and mako told me to just come here.10:51
bddebian-- for madduck, he's one o' dem dere Debian types.. ;-P10:52
=== bddebian is kidding and will shut up
ajmitchmorning10:52
\shback10:52
bddebianMorning ajmitch10:52
madducksabdfl: when i created my wikipage and applied for maintainer, the member council didn't even exist yet. and ubuntu was still no-name-yet. :)10:53
ogramdz, ... long enough to just wave him through i meant :)10:53
sabdflmadduck: ok :-)10:53
dokomadduck: you did write the "wrong" book however ;-P10:54
bddebianhehe10:54
pittiit wasn't exactly "wrong" :-)10:54
madduckdoko: if my book does not apply to ubuntu, then you guys did something wrong. :)10:54
bddebianDoh, nice retort10:54
dholbachmadduck: sounds a bit too much like "L'etat c'est moi!" for me ;-)10:55
sabdfli'm happy to go +1 on madduck, based on conversations at debconf, and his existing status as a DD w.r.t. packaging skills10:55
pittican you guys please stick to languages we understand? :-)10:55
madduckdholbach: that was not the intention. but i get stabbed from debian dudes about this book all the time.10:55
Nafallomadduck++ :-)10:55
pitti+1 10:55
\shpitti: "Der Staat bin ich"10:55
Nafallopitti: sure. swedish or norweigan? :-)10:55
=== ajmitch wants him in for his zope expertise :)
pitti\sh: thanks10:56
KeybukI think having madduck's skills and energy in Ubuntu would be an asset10:56
dholbachmadduck: i hope you don't listen to them :)10:56
Keybukso he has +1 from me, though I think he still needs CC approval to become a member?10:56
madduckdholbach: either that, or i reply appropriately.10:56
ogramadduck, i'd like to see you more often around doing some teamwork, but who am i to judge _your_ packaging :)10:57
ograsince you are our upstream :)10:57
madduckhuh?10:57
mdz+1 for madduck based on Debian involvement and firsthand interaction10:57
madduckogra: i hope to be able to display more teamwork with pkg-zope.10:58
AmaranthHe needs to go through the CC still though, doesn't he?10:58
=== \sh will read madducks book
Keybukthough I wonder whether we should score on ability to hold a tune ...10:58
bddebian\sh: Look at the first page of Chap. 6 ;-P10:58
madduckAmaranth: i will happily do so. i was told by mako i could just skip it.10:58
Amaranthah10:58
madduckbddebian: :)10:58
sabdfllet's take a leap of faith on madduck, i think it's worth it10:58
ograso +1 from me :)10:58
dholbachsabdfl: sounds good to me10:59
bddebiansabdfl: Just because you got to drink with him... ;-)10:59
ograheh10:59
ajmitchmadduck: great, I'll look forward to that :)10:59
madduckbddebian: "sing"10:59
madduckbddebian: not drink.10:59
ogragot drunk ?10:59
mdzwell, that too10:59
sabdflmadduck: that's because we were out of booze by the time we found the guitar10:59
JaneWstill looking for the footage of that...10:59
madducksabdfl: rotfl10:59
dholbachhahaha :)10:59
mdzsabdfl: the country of Finland was out of booze10:59
ogramadduck, you were one of the choir ??11:00
madducki appreciate your faith. i will try to make the next CC meeting nevertheless.11:00
bddebianmadduck: Ahh :-)11:00
madduckogra: NO SIR. NEVER. :)11:00
ograhahaha11:00
mdzok11:00
\shhmm..next amazon order 11:00
mdzmadduck: welcome to the team11:00
dholbachmadduck: super... good to have you in the MOTU team11:00
madduckthx dudes11:00
\shwelcome madduck  :)11:00
ajmitchmadduck: great, put your name down on the zope page :)11:00
ogramadduck, willkommen aus der eifel ;)11:00
madduckajmitch: it's already there. :)11:01
ajmitchah good11:01
sabdflalright guys, what's up next?11:01
mdz\sh for upload to main11:01
Nafallomadduck: welcome :-)11:01
=== \sh hides
\shIt's all ogras fault 11:01
bddebianDamn madduck doesn't even do anything and HE gets in *sniff* *sniff*11:01
mdz\sh: how long have you been working in universe now?11:01
=== ogra grabs the spot from mdz and points it on \sh
bddebian:-)11:01
ajmitchbddebian: he has a long history in debian11:01
\shmdz: I think since breezy started? 11:02
bddebianajmitch: I was kidding again.  I'll shutup again11:02
\shsome weeks after?11:02
mdz\sh: is that all? it seems like longer ;-)11:02
ograhe dd an uncountable number of uploads as MOTU ...11:02
\shmdz: hehe...for me as well :)11:02
mdz\sh: the agenda says you are interested in working on KDE11:02
siretartthe sheer amount of uploads listed in breezy-changes speak for themselves11:02
Mez\sh's been here since I've known ubuntu11:02
ajmitchprobably just because of his OCD in flooding breezy-changes :)11:02
siretartof \sh that is11:02
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\shmdz: yes...actually I want to help Riddell to maintain the kde stuff in main11:02
mdzRiddell: are you around?11:02
ogra\sh, remember my words ;)11:02
Riddellyep, \sh has done some great stuff11:03
\shmdz: but ogra told me, i have to upload as well some gnome related packages once or twice a release11:03
Riddellfixing beasties, merges, making packages11:03
=== pitti_ hates if his computer freezes in the middle of a meeting
ograat least !!11:03
Amaranthogra: his one package can be smeg :)11:03
dholbachogra: ;-p11:03
seb128_pitti_: because you like freeze during normal work? :)11:03
mdzRiddell: so I take it you are satisfied with the quality of his work and would be glad to have him uploading KDE packages to main independently?11:04
\shogra: yeah :)11:04
Amaranthpitti: Did you ever get X going again?11:04
ogramdz, you could give him firefox and he could handle it easily... (not that i'd vote for that)11:04
=== \sh *shrugs*
mdz\sh: what did you to to make ogra say such a terrible thing? ;-)11:04
mdzs/to/do/11:04
Amaranthogra: That's _evil_.11:04
=== mvo giggles
dholbachhahaha :)11:04
Riddellmdz: yes, I think he'd be really useful in main11:04
ogramdz, he fixes the worst bugs in minutes11:04
\shmdz: well I worked with him in the same company..and told him I was a Gentoo Dude ,-)11:04
MezI think \sh must have slept with ogra's gf or something11:04
seb128dholbach said he wants firofox though11:04
dholbachseb128: I! WILL! GRILL! YOU! :)11:05
ograMez, i wouldnt be this friendly then :)11:05
Mezlol11:05
Amaranthdholbach: Why do you like pain?11:05
Mezthat's friendly?11:05
ograseb128, thinderbird too ?11:05
dholbachAmaranth: that's a long story11:05
pittiseb128: ++ :-)11:05
seb128dholbach: I love you too :)11:05
sabdfloookkkkkk11:05
dholbachOUCH11:05
Amaranthback on topic11:05
ograseb128, i mean they are a unit :)11:05
seb128right, that's for dholbach too11:06
ogra+111:06
ogra:)11:06
sabdfl\sh: we have no independent restrictions, once you're in main, you can upload anything. can i take it you will get reviews of any changes before uploading a Base or Essential package?11:06
dholbachogra, seb128, pitti: could you please stop it? you're giving me a huge headache :)11:07
\shsabdfl: yes...this is what I like to have before doing any harm to X11:07
mdz\sh: you have been involved enough to know where and whom to ask if you're unsure about an upload, yes?11:07
Amaranth\sh: No kernel updates that print 'pwned' to the screen a million times :)11:07
\shmdz: I will ask the right people :) or you can kick me again and again :)11:07
Mezwhat a good idea Amaranth 11:07
sabdfltempting as that might be :-)11:07
JaneWright so I'll put dholbach 's name against those tasks...11:07
mdzJaneW: kthx11:08
ograhehe11:08
Keybuk...nobody could do more harm to X than daniels >:o)11:08
=== dholbach is off... crying
\shAmaranth: I will never touch the kernel ! Promise11:08
sabdfl\sh: not into punishment, prefer to get these things straight socially rather than sending in elmo :-)11:08
mdz\sh: you're too far away; perhaps ogra could be my  proxy in that case11:08
ogramdz, only 60km... thats esasy, i'll do it with a long stick ;)11:09
sabdfl\sh: hey, it would be great to have patches for the kernel! just careful with those unannounced uploads :-)11:09
sabdflon that basis, and Riddell's recommendation, +1 from me11:09
Keybukindeed, ++ from me, based on sheer number of uploads and competance thereof11:09
\shsabdfl: no unannounced uploads :) promise11:10
Nafallo\sh++11:10
mdz+1, based on evident MOTU work, Riddell's endorsement, MOTU endorsement and first-hand interaction11:10
sabdflone more...11:10
sabdflw00t!11:10
ograYAY !!11:10
dholbachcongratulations stephan :)11:10
Mezcongrats11:10
sabdfl\sh: thanks for your fantastic contribution and leadership so far, very glad to have you on board as a main uploader11:10
ogracongrats \sh  !11:10
siretart\sh: congratulations! you ROCK!!11:10
Amaranthogra: \sh can't do any GNOME work, seb128 will bite him11:10
Nafallowoohoo! :-)11:10
Nafallo\sh: congrats indeed11:10
ajmitch\sh: well done11:10
mdzwe should have a song to sing for new members and maintainers, a different verse for each phase of the process11:11
Nafallo\sh: now get jabberd2 into main ;-)11:11
ograAmaranth, yes, i guess they would clash a bit :)11:11
seb128Amaranth: I'm happy to give some packages, you want gtk? :p11:11
\shsabdfl: thank you very much :) It's really a pleasure and honour to work with those great people around here :)11:11
madduck\sh: keep it up!11:11
sabdflseb128 only bites ME when i have dumb ideas, he's otherwise quite easy going11:11
seb128ah ah11:11
ogramdz, shtoom meetings ??11:11
sabdflGhc6 transition?11:11
pittiwelcome \sh! :-)11:11
siretartyes, I brought that on the topic11:11
seb128sabdfl: thanks for switching back to browser mode (from me and differents users who pinged me about that) :)11:11
\shNafallo: if jabberd2 is ready for real work...I just kicked it11:12
siretartI'm not really sure if the TB is the right address for that11:12
mdzsistpoty: what is the question regarding ghc6?11:12
Nafallo\sh: :-)11:12
\shpitti: thx :)11:12
sabdflseb128: you're welcome, and sorry for the brain fart previously11:12
seb128np 11:12
siretartbut I (and sistpoty) would like to know how to proceed with that.11:12
mdzsistpoty: it looks to me like a buildd admin issue11:12
mdzif it can't be handled by normal uploads11:13
ograsiretart, get infinity to provide you the right buildd hooks for bootstrapping it11:13
siretartok, then that point is done, and we will get in touch with infinity, sorry for bothering11:13
sistpotyok11:13
mdzor lamont11:14
siretartokay11:14
=== \sh needs a coffee on this shockwave
mdzis there any other business?11:14
mdzrants, raves, kudos or rotting vegetables?11:14
sabdflnothing from me11:14
sabdfljust having fun here with the Launchpad team11:14
dholbachthat was a superb meeting :)11:15
=== ogra sniffs for vegetables
sabdflanybody been watching Rosetta recently?11:15
sabdflit's looking guuuuuurd11:15
mdzsabdfl: the pressure is now on to get the rosetta launchpadintegration landing page in place11:15
ograsabdfl, nope, but malone starts to look really nice :)11:15
lamontsiretart: given instructions on what debs to install from where (that meet sanity requirements), I or infinity can bootstrap whatever11:15
sabdflogra: still have quite a bit of work to do on malone11:15
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ograsabdfl, but it gets nearer the usable state we need it...11:16
ogras/the/to the11:16
mdzok, I'm not hearing any further TB business, so let's adjourn11:16
mdzthanks to everyone for your participation11:16
sabdflogra: cool. bradb gets here thursday11:16
pitticool, thanks to all11:16
sabdflthanks everyone, good night11:16
ograsabdfl, great :)11:16
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pittiand congrats to our new MOTUs11:16
ogranight 11:16
\shthanks to you guys :)11:16
Keybukthe next TB meeting takes place in the middle of my annual leave, but I'll try and find a not-too-well-secured wifi point for it11:16
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dholbachthank you11:16
mvonight everyone11:16
ograthanks mdz 11:16
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sistpotylamont: we just need the ghc6-package (that from debian/unstable would imo suffice)11:17
sistpotygn8 everyone11:17
lamontsistpoty: ok11:17
mdzagenda flushed for the next meeting11:17
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\shcu around guys :)11:18
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