[09:17] <dholbach> bonsoir messieurs dames
[09:18] <Mez> bon soiree messeur holbach
[09:19] <dholbach> Mez: comment allez-vous?
[09:21] <Mez> J'ai .... fam
[09:21] <dholbach> jan1: we were trying to talk french :)
[09:21] <jan1> I know mr owner-of-murphy :)
[09:22] <jan1> they took my real mick
[09:22] <jan1> nick
[09:22] <dholbach> jan1: who did?
[09:22] <jan1> someone who is prolly also called jani
[09:22] <jan1> ;)
[09:23] <ogra> jan1, didnt register it ?
[09:23] <jan1> ogra, I guess not :)
[09:23] <ogra> you really should
[09:23] <jan1> I am still an irc noob
[09:27] <dholbach> seb128: WOOHOO! :)
[09:27] <seb128> hey daniel
[09:27] <seb128> TB today?
[09:27] <dholbach> yeah
[09:27] <madduck> the hall is filling up...
[09:27] <dholbach> 22:00 our time
[09:28] <Mez> TB in 30 mins :D
[09:28] <Mez> w00t
[09:28] <Mez> :P
[09:33] <bddebian> Heya madduck
[09:33] <madduck> hi
[09:34] <JanC> t'aimes parler le franais de temps en temps, monsieur dholbach ?   :)
[09:35] <dholbach> JanC: de temps en temps, mais il me faut apprendre plus :)
[09:39] <madduck> bnt, c'est une distro franaise?
[09:39] <madduck> mais alors, c'est riglo!
[09:44] <JaneW> gooie naant almal
[09:44] <JaneW> ek gaan gou koffie kry, voor die afskraak begin
[09:45] <\sh> JaneW: thank u very much :)
[09:46] <\sh> finally another coffee junky ,-)
[09:47] <jan1> was that Dutch or Afrikaans?
[09:47] <\sh> afrikaans
[09:47] <JaneW> \sh lol
[09:47] <jan1> they look pretty similiar from distance at least :)
[09:47] <JaneW> \sh wasn;t sure if anyone would understand
[09:47] <\sh> JaneW: I can understand a bit :)
[09:48] <\sh> at least: koffie 
[09:48] <\sh> lol
[09:48] <\sh> ek = I
[09:48] <JaneW> yes it is pretty similar to dutch, but with less funny characters I think 
[09:48] <madduck> JaneW: if you know english and german, afrikaans can be read most of the times. at least the gist can be extracted most of the time.
[09:48] <jan1> good night all, someone does soemthing with a coffe before the meeting begins? 
[09:48] <bddebian> OH yeah smoke break, good idea :-) \sh care to join me.. ;-P
[09:48] <JaneW> and visa versa and can figure out a lot of german (and norwegian) from knowing afrikaans
[09:49] <madduck> s/visa/vice/ IIRC
[09:49] <madduck> but yeah
[09:49] <JaneW> sorry
[09:50] <madduck> sorry? dude... :)
[09:50] <JaneW> anyway since everyone else seems to speak other languages, I thought I'd give it a try - not that my afrikaans is very good anyway.
[09:50] <madduck> where are you from?
[09:50] <\sh> janew: there is a funny word..."mapumpaan" or something? My ex never told me how to write it ,-)
[09:50] <JaneW> what?
[09:50] <JaneW> meaning...
[09:51] <JaneW> madduck: SA
[09:51] <madduck> JaneW: nice! i love your country!
[09:51] <JaneW> hi gothcat
[09:51] <\sh> actually something like "lovley idiot" I actually don't know..she never gave me the meaning...but every time I smashed a glas, "Look, you mampumpaan" or something like this
[09:51] <JaneW> madduck: I think it's pretty cool too
[09:51] <gothcat> JaneW: hi
[09:52] <JaneW> not mampaara ?
[09:52] <pitti> Hey madduck, how's it going
[09:52] <madduck> pitti!
[09:52] <\sh> JaneW: well...I wrote it like it sounds in german ,-) 
[09:52] <\sh> JaneW: forget it ... totally OT :)
[09:53] <madduck> pitti: i am ready to roll but things are holding me back. see mail. there are two other non-debian projects like that. but i'm good. vacation on friday!
[09:53] <madduck> and i am reading this paper about a high-level cognitive architecture for robots and it's making me laugh.
[09:55] <JaneW> 5 minutes
[09:55] <\sh> g'evening sistpoty 
[09:55] <sistpoty> hi sh
[09:55] <sistpoty> gna, i can't type your nick g
[09:56] <\sh> sistpoty: i use xmodmap i know ;)
[09:57] <Mez> \sh :D
[10:00] <Mez> Tue Jul 26 20:00:18 UTC 2005
[10:00] <mdz> good morning
[10:00] <Mez> evening mdz
[10:01] <mdz> Keybuk: will "the sab" be joining us today?
[10:02] <Keybuk> bread roll sent ...
[10:02] <Keybuk> I think so
[10:02] <Mez> did you just throw a bread roll at him scorr?
[10:03] <Mez> s/scorr/scott/
[10:03] <Keybuk> pretty much
[10:03] <pitti> did it work?
[10:04] <Keybuk> not sure ...
[10:04] <mdz> sistpoty: are you here?
[10:04] <mdz> \sh: and you?
[10:04] <\sh> yes
[10:04] <sistpoty> yes
[10:04] <\sh> I'm here
[10:04] <mdz> excellent
[10:04] <Mez> lol :D I like the cheek Keybuk 
[10:04] <mdz> how about the MOTU candidates?      *
[10:04] <mdz>       AnkurKotwal
[10:04] <mdz>     *
[10:04] <mdz>       RajasekarKarthik
[10:04] <mdz>     *
[10:05] <mdz>       Stefanpotyra
[10:05] <mdz>     *
[10:05] <mdz>       JorgeDaza
[10:05] <mdz>     *
[10:05] <mdz>       SebastianDroege
[10:05] <mdz>     *
[10:05] <mdz>       MartinMeredith
[10:05] <mdz>     *
[10:05] <mdz>       BarrydeFreese
[10:05] <mdz>     *
[10:05] <mdz>       ChristianBjlevik
[10:05] <mdz> firefox cut and paste leaves something to be desired
[10:05] <\sh> Unfrgiven was approved (AnkurKotwal)
[10:05] <mdz> Mez: you're here
[10:05] <dholbach> AnkurKotwal (unfrgiven) already IS a MOTU
[10:05] <ogra> AnkurKotwal is already MOTU but didnt show up for some time
[10:05] <Mez> yes, I'm here
[10:05] <mdz> hmm, the page is out of date
[10:05] <slomo> SebastianDroege  <--- that's me
[10:05] <mdz> dholbach,ogra: please remove anyone who was already processed
[10:05] <Nafallo> mdz: I'm here (ChristianBjlevik)
[10:05] <bddebian> <-- Barry deFreese
[10:05] <madduck> mdz: i was invited to join
[10:05] <madduck> MartinKrafft
[10:06] <Mez> <-- Martin Meredith
[10:06] <sabdfl> hi all
[10:06] <ogra> mdz, done
[10:06] <dholbach> mdz: i'd have preferred if he had proudly removed himself from that list, but i'll caretake next time :)
[10:06] <sabdfl> apologies for being late
[10:06] <sabdfl> where are we on the agenda?
[10:06] <mdz> madduck: you're on the "needs to show up again" list, which means you were on the list for a previous meeting but weren't present for consideration
[10:06] <dholbach> sabdfl: we just started :)
[10:06] <mdz> sabdfl: just sorting maintainer candidates
[10:06] <sabdfl> thanks
[10:06] <siretart> hi sabdfl 
[10:06] <mdz> madduck: go ahead and move your name up to the top
[10:06] <Mez> sabdfl, was the bread roll stale?
[10:06] <bddebian> Hello sabdfl
[10:07] <sabdfl> Mez: spectacularly
[10:07] <Mez> :)
[10:07] <mdz> ogra: thanks
[10:07] <sabdfl> hey madduck, welcome
[10:08] <mdz> ok, starting from the top then
[10:08] <mdz> is RajasekarKarthik present?
[10:08] <\sh> I didn't know him, honestly
[10:08] <mdz> ok, -> needs to show up again
[10:09] <Mez> karthik085
[10:09] <madduck> sabdfl: thanks & hi
[10:09] <Mez> who didnt show up to CC either
[10:09] <mdz> Stefanpotyra
[10:09] <mdz> #
[10:09] <mdz> ?
[10:09] <Mez> so isnt a member
[10:09] <\sh> yeah..but I never saw him on motu
[10:09] <ogra> Mez, i can read ;)
[10:09] <sistpoty> Stefanpotyra is /me
[10:09] <Mez> ogra - hit enter by msitake - was saying he;s not a meber
[10:09] <mdz> sistpoty: welcome
[10:09] <ogra> sistpoty, i havent seen many packages of you yet ...
[10:10] <sistpoty> hadn't much time recently... will be better after thursday
[10:10] <ogra> sistpoty, have you any more references ?
[10:10] <sistpoty> (exams)
[10:10] <ogra> ah
[10:10] <sistpoty> no more than on the wiki page
[10:10] <mdz> there's no rush; we can always consider you at a later date when you've had more time to devote to MOTU work
[10:10] <sistpoty> no problem for me ;)
[10:10] <dholbach> sistpoty: thanks for working on ghc6
[10:10] <sistpoty> you
[10:10] <sistpoty> + re welcome
[10:11] <ogra> sistpoty, yeah, and thatks for the revu work :)
[10:11] <ogra> thanks even
[10:11] <\sh> sistpoty is one of our revu guys...
[10:11] <mdz> sistpoty: just add yourself to the agenda again when the time comes
[10:11] <sistpoty> ok, i will do so
[10:11] <sabdfl> sistpoty: welcome, it's good to have you here. it takes a little while to get everyone up to speed on your contribution, so make sure to keep a record of stuff you do, on your wiki page
[10:12] <sistpoty> ok, and thanks
[10:12] <mdz> next, JorgeDaza
[10:12] <mdz> does anyone know Jorge's IRC nick?
[10:12] <\sh> comadreja 
[10:12] <slomo> comadreja
[10:12] <mdz> comadreja: ping?
[10:12] <ogra> mdz, i'd like to see him as motu
[10:12] <ogra> he's comadrej, but his wife has her b-day oday
[10:13] <ogra> comadreja even
[10:13] <ogra> he aplologized before 
[10:13] <\sh> comadreja was working with me on the merger list and did quite good work 
[10:13] <sabdfl> siretart: nice icons for revu2 :-)
[10:13] <ogra> his packaging skills improved a lot over the last weeks
[10:13] <mdz> ogra: we can consider him in absentia if there are sufficient references
[10:13] <dholbach> i only heard good stuff about about him (but was away from irc the last ... hum ... days)
[10:14] <siretart> sabdfl: most planning work up to know was from sistpoty ;) - but thanks :)
[10:14] <ogra> mdz, i'd like to hear something from \sh or siretart 
[10:14] <mdz> who has been sponsoring his uploads?
[10:14] <ogra> \sh, what do you think ? ready enough ?
[10:14] <\sh> most of the time..if there wasn't a debdiff applied I mentioned this in the changelog incl. bug entry
[10:14] <ogra> \sh, but were the debdiffs you saw ok ?
[10:15] <\sh> ogra: yes very good...no bugs
[10:15] <ogra> oki... 
[10:15] <Mez> brb.. loo
[10:15] <siretart> I'm confident that he knows how to make packages, according to what I have seen from revu so far
[10:15] <ogra> so there would be a +1 from me... 
[10:15] <ogra> siretart, thats what i wanted to hear ;)
[10:15] <sabdfl> seems good enough for MOTU and membership
[10:15] <mdz> agreed
[10:15] <Keybuk> agree
[10:16] <ogra> yep
[10:16] <dholbach> cool :)
[10:16] <\sh> and another plus is: he is freelancer and has sometimes more time then I have :)
[10:16] <madduck> freelancers don't have time. :)
[10:16] <ogra> hehe
[10:16] <sabdfl> i guess that's 3 out of 3 :-)
[10:16] <siretart> which is near impossible ;)
[10:16] <mdz> comadreja: welcome to the team
[10:16] <ogra> yay... i'll mail him :)
[10:16] <Mez> backl
[10:16] <sabdfl> who will pass the news on?
[10:16] <sabdfl> ok
[10:16] <mdz> Mez is up next
[10:16] <sabdfl> thanks ogra
[10:16] <Mez> isnt slomo up next?
[10:17] <mdz> Mez: you're right, my cursor was wrong
[10:17] <Mez> :P
[10:17] <mdz> slomo: are you here?
[10:17] <siretart> he is for sure
[10:17] <slomo> yes, i'm here
[10:17] <bddebian> slomo gets my vote even though I don't get one :-)
[10:17] <siretart> :)
[10:17] <ogra> slomo... i guess there is consensus among MOTU for him
[10:17] <siretart> he did really rocking work for MOTUMedia, and used revu quite a lot
[10:17] <dholbach> he gets mine as well - i sponsored some uploads for him and he did excellent work on finding patches and he works nicely with the team,
[10:17] <ogra> OR AM I WRONG ??
[10:18] <mdz> bddebian: testimonials count, if you can elaborate a bit about your experience working with slomo
[10:18] <ogra> :)
[10:18] <\sh> yes..he's doing good work and fixes my bloody typos ,-)
[10:18] <bddebian> mdz: Slomo has been very helpful/supportive of my efforts
[10:18] <Mez> \sh - you missed out an eye again
[10:18] <siretart> he did real rocking work in helping fellow MOTU's and MOTUs to be in #ubuntu-motu
[10:18] <mdz> sounds like a ringing endorsement from MOTU
[10:18] <ogra> absolutely
[10:18] <ogra> he's done grat work
[10:18] <ogra> great even
[10:18] <Mez> slomo's helped out a lot with me aswell
[10:18] <bddebian> Oh you beat me to it ogra :-)
[10:19] <Mez> + he's a backporter - so even better :D
[10:19] <JaneW> \sh: I need someone to do that for me ;)
[10:19] <mdz> Keybuk,sabdfl: votes?
[10:19] <Keybuk> ++
[10:19] <sabdfl> slomo: can you say in one sentence where you'd like to take ubuntu? in the sense of how you'd like to enhance it and which areas you'd like to contribute to?
[10:19] <\sh> JaneW: ask slomo, he's quite good in things like this :)
[10:20] <slomo> sabdfl: i want to help wherever i can... mostly fixing bugs, packaging new stuff (mostly multimedia related) and so on... and i'm searching for new areas where i can be useful ;)
[10:20] <sabdfl> ok. great endorsements from the MOTU, so +1 from me
[10:20] <\sh> slomo said to me, he will cxx trans the ace package :)
[10:20] <mdz> slomo: what specific areas of multimedia interest you, out of curiosity?
[10:20] <slomo> \sh: psss ;) i'll try but i can't promise anything
[10:21] <\sh> slomo: I will help you when I can :)
[10:21] <sabdfl> slomo: great wiki page - makes it an easy +1 from me :-)
[10:21] <slomo> mdz: mostly supporting new formats... currently i'm working on a gst-plugins-multiverse package which was started by tseng
[10:21] <mdz> slomo: interesting, I'd like to hear more about it later
[10:21] <mdz> +1 from me
[10:21] <dholbach> SUPER! :)
[10:22] <ogra> yay
[10:22] <slomo> thanks everybody :)
[10:22] <doko> slomo: you did some work on the bug tracking system, are you interested in this work?
[10:22] <mdz> slomo: congratulations
[10:22] <ogra> wlcome !
[10:22] <\sh> slomo: welcome to the real world :) 
[10:22] <siretart> slomo: welcome to the team! :)
[10:22] <sabdfl> drumroll
[10:22] <slomo> doko: what exactly do you mean?
[10:22] <mdz> Mez has been spearheading the official backports project
[10:22] <doko> slomo: let's delay that after the meeting
[10:22] <Keybuk> ...Mez sucks at persuading people to get his key signed ;o)
[10:23] <ogra> ;)
[10:23] <slomo> doko: ok, fine with me :)
[10:23] <Mez> Keybuk - just cause I dont have enough money to buy you a pint or 7,or enough to travel
[10:23] <mdz> ogra: empty packages?
[10:23] <ogra> mdz, he wants to build a empty transition package
[10:23] <siretart> Mez has done quite a bunch of packages in revu, they looked fine so far..
[10:23] <pitti> Mez: you have to buy elmo a pint, not Keybuk :-)
[10:23] <ogra> mdz, but didnt get it working today :)
[10:24] <Mez> pitti, to get Keybuk to sign my key
[10:24] <Riddell> Mez has updated the k3b package which was great (and is now doing k3b-i18n)
[10:24] <Mez> ogra: yes, obviously, I've not made a blank package, but I'm working on it :D
[10:24] <ogra> but to be honest i think he's already in a state to build good "non-empty" packages ;)
[10:24] <sabdfl> Mez has been very active, we've corresponded a few times. can't comment on packaging but i do appreciate his input and ideas
[10:24] <Mez> It's really confusing D:
[10:24] <\sh> I had an "quick" overview about the packages of Mez in REVU..and they looked quite good...but sometimes he's asking too many stupid questions ;-)
[10:25] <mdz> Mez: what sort of work have you done on kubuntu so far?
[10:25] <\sh> mez is also doing quite good work with k3b
[10:25] <Mez> \sh - that'd be cause I'm nervous so far
[10:25] <\sh> I think riddell can say also some things about mez
[10:25] <\sh> Riddell: ping?
[10:25] <Mez> mdz: working on packaging k3b mainly, and I've packages konversation 0.18
[10:25] <ogra> Mez, if you promise to ask twice for packages you cant cope with i'm fine with a +1 :)
[10:25] <mdz> carpet guy is at the door, back in a moment
[10:25] <Mez> ogra: I ask 3 times for packages I can lol - so thats nota problem
[10:26] <\sh> Mez: u don't have too :) 
[10:26] <bddebian> heh
[10:26] <Nafallo> ogra: cope? coop?
[10:26] <bddebian> cope
[10:26] <Mez> oh, and kubuntu - I'm also helping the katapult project along
[10:26] <sabdfl> mdz: send 'em home with carpet burns, i say
[10:26] <Riddell> I support Mez's his maintainership
[10:26] <ogra> Nafallo, not cope -> coop rather ;)
[10:26] <Mez> \sh - I'm nbervous, I dont like getting things wrong and getting b***ched at for it :D
[10:27] <Mez> I'd rather ask quesitons than act on intuition and get it wrong
[10:27] <\sh> so +1 for Mez from me...
[10:27] <siretart> and: he is available :)
[10:27] <JaneW> Mez: good approach
[10:27] <Mez> siretart, no, I have a gf :P
[10:27] <siretart> ;)
[10:27] <Mez> but I know what you mean
[10:28] <Keybuk> hmm, that could be a substantial draw on Mez's time ... :)
[10:28] <Nafallo> Mez: make your gf available to :-)
[10:28] <bddebian> Keybuk: lol
[10:28] <bddebian> Nafallo: That could be taken the wrong way.. ;-P
[10:28] <Mez> Nafallo, I'm trying to persuade her to move to kubuntu - but she doesnt wanna have to lose all her movies :D
[10:28] <\sh> JaneW: yes it is...
[10:28] <Nafallo> bddebian: dooh! ;-)
[10:28] <jasoncohen> I found dependency problems on konversation .18 and firefox 1.0.4 from backports-staging and Mez was on it almost immediately. he packaged and had a new konversation that same night (a dependency on kdelibs 3.4.1 prevented kubuntu-desktop from installing)
[10:28] <ogra> bddebian, Nafallo did that too, meet her in -artwork ;)
[10:28] <bddebian> heh
[10:28] <Nafallo> ogra: gothcat is here ;-)
[10:29] <ogra> hi gothcat :)
[10:29] <Mez> but to be fair - my gf loves (k)ubuntu - and has done some artwork for it :D
[10:29] <Mez> *Shrugs*
[10:29] <jasoncohen> when where are problems Mez fixes them immediately
[10:29] <gothcat> ogra: hi *waves*
[10:29] <ogra> Mez, poke her to the artwork team ;)
[10:29] <\sh> Mez: hug her :) love her :) don't give her away :) chain her with a ring ;)
[10:29] <siretart> heh :)
[10:29] <Mez> ogra :D will try
[10:29] <Mez> and \sh - all in due time
[10:29] <sabdfl> ok, mdz will be afk for a few minutes, i'll chair till he's back
[10:30] <sabdfl> Mez: you get +1 from me. keybuk?
[10:30] <Nafallo> \sh: give her to *ubuntu rather ;-)
[10:30] <Keybuk> ++ also
[10:30] <Mez> ty sabdfl, keybuk (I'll get you a pint at some point whe/if I'm in brum)
[10:30] <madduck> that's post-bribery!
[10:30] <sabdfl> ok, Mez, in mdz's absence I'm happy to go with keybuk's +1 and mine
[10:30] <sabdfl> welcome aboard
[10:30] <ogra> yay
[10:31] <Keybuk> heh, that would involve _me_ being in Brum at some point! :-/
[10:31] <ogra> hello MOTUMez
[10:31] <dholbach> WOW! :)
[10:31] <ogra> heh
[10:31] <\sh> Mez: welcome :) Backport MOTU  SPOC :)
[10:31] <bddebian> Mez: Congrats man :-)
[10:31] <sabdfl> Keybuk: somehow i think you always land with your Brum in the butter
[10:31] <comadreja> hello
[10:31] <siretart> Mez: Welcome to the Team! :)
[10:31] <Nafallo> Mez: yay! congrats :-).
[10:31] <ogra> so it sems we have a MOTUBackports leader now :)
[10:31] <slomo> congrats Mez :)
[10:31] <Mez> Keybuk, yeah, thats what I though
[10:31] <Mez> :D
[10:31] <Nafallo> congrats comadreja :-)
[10:31] <\sh> comadreja: congrats for becoming a MOTU dude :)
[10:32] <comadreja> :D
[10:32] <siretart> comadreja: You, too! Welcome in MOTU Land ;)
[10:32] <slomo> and congrats comadreja :)
[10:32] <bddebian> Yeah comadreja, congrats in absentia :-)
[10:32] <comadreja> :D
[10:32] <ogra> comadreja, i just mailed you :)
[10:32] <sabdfl> bddebian: you're up!
[10:32] <comadreja> thanks !!!
[10:32] <bddebian> Uh oh
[10:32] <sabdfl> comadreja: welcome :-)
[10:32] <comadreja> I found an open wlan
[10:32] <bddebian> comadreja: :-)
[10:32] <comadreja> I'm sitting on the street :D
[10:32] <ogra> hehe
[10:32] <sabdfl> comadreja: look out for those black helicopters
[10:32] <sabdfl> hey Amaranth
[10:32] <madduck> bddebian: don't leave after this. we need to talk zope-*
[10:32] <dholbach> ogra: did we ever have so many MOTUs in one night?
[10:32] <ogra> enjoy the party and congrats to your wife for her b-day
[10:32] <Nafallo> morning Amaranth :-)
[10:33] <bddebian> madduck: We do?
[10:33] <madduck> bddebian: we do.
[10:33] <ogra> dholbach, nope :)
[10:33] <bddebian> madduck: OK
[10:33] <sabdfl> bddebian: how's NUN coming along?
[10:33] <dholbach> ogra: it feels SOOO good :)
[10:33] <ogra> yeah !!
[10:33] <jasoncohen> congratulations Mez 
[10:33] <Mez> sabdfl, nun's coming along well :D
[10:33] <bddebian> sabdfl: Good but to be honest I have been slacking a little with NUN lately trying to help with MOTUTOMerg
[10:33] <bddebian> +e
[10:33] <ogra> wher you did a great job !
[10:33] <sabdfl> ok
[10:34] <sabdfl> bddebian: where would you say you've been making your biggest contribution?
[10:34] <sabdfl> and do you have an area you'd like to focus on going forward from a code + packaging point of view?
[10:34] <\sh> bddebian helped us a lot with tagging merge bugs...
[10:34] <ogra> we are down to less the 100 merges from 220 in 5 days ... 
[10:34] <ogra> !!!!!
[10:34] <\sh> ogra: under 100
[10:34] <bddebian> I hope the merge issues but I haven't gotten a great deal of feedback except from \sh
[10:34] <ogra> then even
[10:34] <mdz> bddebian: I saw some uploads with your name on them; who has been sponsoring you?
[10:34] <sabdfl> that's awesome bddebian - thanks!
[10:34] <bddebian> sabdfl: Anywhere I can help to be honest
[10:35] <Keybuk> ahh, so it's bddebian that's been filling my INBOX, is it? :)
[10:35] <bddebian> mdz: No one, that is part of the reason I have come.
[10:35] <bddebian> Keybuk: Probably, sorry
[10:35] <ogra> Keybuk, yes
[10:35] <ogra> heh
[10:35] <sabdfl> bddebian: are you a gnome or kde type? or something lighter?
[10:35] <Nafallo> Keybuk: install procmail dude ;-)
[10:35] <mdz> bddebian: I don't follow; who has been uploading your packages for you?
[10:35] <\sh> Keybuk: yes, with my name on it 
[10:35] <Keybuk> Nafallo: I still read all the merge-o-matic traffic
[10:35] <ogra> mdz, \sh mostly
[10:35] <bddebian> mdz: \sh for the merge stuff, I don't think anyone has looked at my REVU stuff
[10:36] <bddebian> sabdfl: I probably don't have the skillset for that yet
[10:36] <mdz> \sh: what is your assessment of his packaging work?
[10:36] <dholbach> bddebian: i hope we'll all cover some stuff on review day, 28th of july *hint hint*
[10:36] <ogra> bddebian, would you prefer to wait 2 weeks ?
[10:36] <mdz> \sh,bddebian: ah, so these were purely MOM output then?
[10:36] <bddebian> dholbach: OK
[10:36] <ogra> mdz, yep
[10:36] <bddebian> mdz: Which?
[10:36] <ogra> bddebian, the uploads
[10:36] <\sh> mdz: yes..most of the time he tested the MOMs and tagged the bugs for me...so I could take it easily
[10:36] <Amaranth> morning *late*
[10:37] <ogra> Amaranth, we get used to it *g*
[10:37] <bddebian> ogra: As with CC, I'm not expecting anything so if you all think I should wait, I am fine with that
[10:37] <bddebian> Hello Amaranth
[10:37] <\sh> mdz: after all, I'm lacking with reviewing...so someone else needs to talk about his new packages
[10:37] <ogra> bddebian, i'd like to see some more stuff from you beyond MOM
[10:37] <bddebian> Fair enough
[10:38] <sabdfl> bddebian: you're making a big impression on the bug front, tagging etc, so your contribution is hugely appreciated
[10:38] <bddebian> sabdfl: Thank you
[10:38] <sabdfl> on the packaging front, maybe find a package that really interests you and jazz it up some
[10:38] <Amaranth> isn't bddebian the weirdo behind the Debian GNU/Hurd stuff?
[10:38] <ogra> bddebian, but i'm sure youre good to go in  weeks.... you'll get my vote, just go on as you do ;)
[10:38] <bddebian> ogra: Have some suggestions
[10:38] <ogra> s/weeks/2 weeks
[10:38] <bddebian> Amaranth: Yep :-)
[10:38] <\sh> bddebian: We need you...you and your jokes :) and you and your knowledge..let's do some realwork and don't tell yourself, u r a noob, you are not
[10:38] <sabdfl> once the motu are more familiar with your approach, come back
[10:38] <madduck> bddebian: pkg-zope will have enough (!) grounds for you to profile yourself, if you are interested!
[10:39] <Keybuk> I think bddebian's making some great contributions, but I'd like to see a bit more packaging from him first
[10:39] <dholbach> bddebian: exactly what stephan said - it's always funny with you - you'll enhance the MOTU team in a great way :)
[10:39] <\sh> Keybuk: sorry for spamming your inbox btw ,-)
[10:40] <sabdfl> Nafallo: around?
[10:40] <Nafallo> sabdfl: here :-)
[10:40] <Keybuk> \sh: hey, it's no problem ;)  rather I saw more than less when it comes to merge traffic and -changes :p
[10:40] <siretart> absolutly. and now, as we have more MOTU's reviewing should go more quickly ;)
[10:40] <sabdfl> Nafallo: got your pitch ready to roll? :-)
[10:40] <ogra> Nafallo  is a +1 from me in advance 
[10:40] <sabdfl> ogra: care to elaborate?
[10:40] <slomo> siretart:  and i'll do some reviewing this night ;)
[10:40] <sabdfl> there's not much detail on it might be worth finding a specific 
[10:41] <sabdfl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChristianBj%c3%a4levik
[10:41] <sabdfl> sorry
[10:41] <ogra> he's around since a looong time, helped a lot with the MOTU already ...
[10:41] <Nafallo> well, I've been around helping out and mostly applied patches here and there :-)
[10:41] <Nafallo> I've one of those trying to backport stuff for UniverseSecurity.
[10:41] <bddebian> OK, gents thanks.  SOrry for spacing there for a sec
[10:41] <pitti> Nafallo: would you like to get more involved in universe security?
[10:42] <dholbach> bddebian: what are you sorry-ing for? :)
[10:42] <bddebian> dholbach: Delayed reaction :-)
[10:42] <pitti> Nafallo: astharot hasn't been around recently, he has some RL issues
[10:42] <Nafallo> pitti: at some point.
[10:43] <Nafallo> pitti: I want to get back on that horse, but right now I feel like I should do some other packaging to :-)
[10:43] <pitti> Nafallo: right, no objection to that :-)
[10:44] <sabdfl> ok. Nafallo - it would help us for this if there was more of a list of packages you've touched on your wiki page
[10:44] <sabdfl> if ogra and the motu are ++ for you, then that's the ticket, but it helps to have some specifics on your wiki page so the TB have a bit of context
[10:44] <sabdfl> thats a good vote of confidence
[10:44] <\sh> I thought nafallo is motu already..
[10:44] <ogra> heh
[10:44] <sabdfl> anybody else on the MOTU worked with Nafallo?
[10:44] <Nafallo> sabdfl: I know. I did that page for CC, but I haven't got a history on my harddrive anymore ;-)
[10:44] <\sh> +1 for nafallo
[10:44] <siretart> I really wondered why isn't a motu yet. I've only seen good work from him so far
[10:44] <Keybuk> who's been sponsoring Nafallo's uploads?
[10:45] <Nafallo> Keybuk: good question. I've been visiting Tollef and Karianne this weekend :-)
[10:45] <Nafallo> so I haven't read through my e-mail yet ;-)
[10:46] <Nafallo> so.. more questions? :-)
[10:46] <sabdfl> well you couldn't get a better mentor than tollef :-)
[10:47] <mdz> based on motu recommendations, I'm happy with Nafallo
[10:47] <ogra> Nafallo, didnt you also do patch stuff for the Cxx transition ?
[10:47] <Keybuk> as long as Tollef doesn't teach him to bite
[10:47] <ogra> heh
[10:47] <ogra> tollef bites ?
[10:47] <gothcat> lol
[10:48] <Nafallo> ogra: hmm, not sure. _that_ was some time ago :-).
[10:48] <dholbach> Keybuk: sounds like this debconf was THE debconf not to miss :)
[10:48] <sabdfl> ok, +1 from me too
[10:48] <Keybuk> ++ from me
[10:48] <ogra> dholbach, it was :(
[10:48] <sabdfl> welcome aboard Nafallo
[10:48] <ogra> yay
[10:48] <ogra> gothcat, hug him from us please ;)
[10:49] <Nafallo> yay! thanx sabdfl mdz Keybuk and all supporters! :-D
[10:49] <siretart> Nafallo: welcome in MOTU Land! :)
[10:49] <ogra> finally
[10:49] <mdz> Nafallo: congratulations
[10:49] <dholbach> incredible :)
[10:49] <\sh> Nafallo: give pitti a hand...he needs at least 8 more :)
[10:49] <ogra> ********* everybody who got approved, please get yourself of the wikipage !!! ************
[10:50] <ogra> off even
[10:50] <bddebian> :'-(
[10:50] <bddebian> :-)
[10:50] <pitti> Nafallo: congrats :-)
[10:50] <mdz> there is still one more candidate to process; madduck added himself since the start of the meeting
[10:50] <JaneW> *applause*
[10:50] <ogra> bddebian, next time
[10:50] <dholbach> *** and put yourself on wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU and read wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads ***
[10:50] <Nafallo> pitti: thanx for everything :-)
[10:50] <ogra> mdz, is this something we need to discuss ? 
[10:50] <\sh> so...i can jump out for a 2 mins
[10:50] <bddebian> ogra: No worries, I'm just happy to help, if I'm helping :-)
[10:50] <Nafallo> ogra: get on what wikipage? :-)
[10:50] <pitti> Nafallo: well, thanks to you for your work so far. maybe bugzilla finally gets uploaded :-)
[10:51] <mdz> ogra: pardon?
[10:51] <ogra> Nafallo, off from MaintainerCandidates and on the MOTU page
[10:51] <ogra> mdz, madduck
[10:51] <Nafallo> pitti: you haven't yet? oki, I'll up that ASAP then ;-)
[10:51] <Nafallo> ogra: ah, oki. I will :-).
[10:51] <mdz> ogra: unless he has changed his mind, yes, he is on the agenda
[10:51] <ogra> mdz, i thought he's DD long enough ;)
[10:51] <sabdfl> is madduck a member yet?
[10:51] <madduck> no, doko and mako told me to just come here.
[10:52] <bddebian> -- for madduck, he's one o' dem dere Debian types.. ;-P
[10:52] <ajmitch> morning
[10:52] <\sh> back
[10:52] <bddebian> Morning ajmitch
[10:53] <madduck> sabdfl: when i created my wikipage and applied for maintainer, the member council didn't even exist yet. and ubuntu was still no-name-yet. :)
[10:53] <ogra> mdz, ... long enough to just wave him through i meant :)
[10:53] <sabdfl> madduck: ok :-)
[10:54] <doko> madduck: you did write the "wrong" book however ;-P
[10:54] <bddebian> hehe
[10:54] <pitti> it wasn't exactly "wrong" :-)
[10:54] <madduck> doko: if my book does not apply to ubuntu, then you guys did something wrong. :)
[10:54] <bddebian> Doh, nice retort
[10:55] <dholbach> madduck: sounds a bit too much like "L'etat c'est moi!" for me ;-)
[10:55] <sabdfl> i'm happy to go +1 on madduck, based on conversations at debconf, and his existing status as a DD w.r.t. packaging skills
[10:55] <pitti> can you guys please stick to languages we understand? :-)
[10:55] <madduck> dholbach: that was not the intention. but i get stabbed from debian dudes about this book all the time.
[10:55] <Nafallo> madduck++ :-)
[10:55] <pitti> +1 
[10:55] <\sh> pitti: "Der Staat bin ich"
[10:55] <Nafallo> pitti: sure. swedish or norweigan? :-)
[10:56] <pitti> \sh: thanks
[10:56] <Keybuk> I think having madduck's skills and energy in Ubuntu would be an asset
[10:56] <dholbach> madduck: i hope you don't listen to them :)
[10:56] <Keybuk> so he has +1 from me, though I think he still needs CC approval to become a member?
[10:56] <madduck> dholbach: either that, or i reply appropriately.
[10:57] <ogra> madduck, i'd like to see you more often around doing some teamwork, but who am i to judge _your_ packaging :)
[10:57] <ogra> since you are our upstream :)
[10:57] <madduck> huh?
[10:57] <mdz> +1 for madduck based on Debian involvement and firsthand interaction
[10:58] <madduck> ogra: i hope to be able to display more teamwork with pkg-zope.
[10:58] <Amaranth> He needs to go through the CC still though, doesn't he?
[10:58] <Keybuk> though I wonder whether we should score on ability to hold a tune ...
[10:58] <bddebian> \sh: Look at the first page of Chap. 6 ;-P
[10:58] <madduck> Amaranth: i will happily do so. i was told by mako i could just skip it.
[10:58] <Amaranth> ah
[10:58] <madduck> bddebian: :)
[10:58] <sabdfl> let's take a leap of faith on madduck, i think it's worth it
[10:58] <ogra> so +1 from me :)
[10:59] <dholbach> sabdfl: sounds good to me
[10:59] <bddebian> sabdfl: Just because you got to drink with him... ;-)
[10:59] <ogra> heh
[10:59] <ajmitch> madduck: great, I'll look forward to that :)
[10:59] <madduck> bddebian: "sing"
[10:59] <madduck> bddebian: not drink.
[10:59] <ogra> got drunk ?
[10:59] <mdz> well, that too
[10:59] <sabdfl> madduck: that's because we were out of booze by the time we found the guitar
[10:59] <JaneW> still looking for the footage of that...
[10:59] <madduck> sabdfl: rotfl
[10:59] <dholbach> hahaha :)
[10:59] <mdz> sabdfl: the country of Finland was out of booze
[11:00] <ogra> madduck, you were one of the choir ??
[11:00] <madduck> i appreciate your faith. i will try to make the next CC meeting nevertheless.
[11:00] <bddebian> madduck: Ahh :-)
[11:00] <madduck> ogra: NO SIR. NEVER. :)
[11:00] <ogra> hahaha
[11:00] <mdz> ok
[11:00] <\sh> hmm..next amazon order 
[11:00] <mdz> madduck: welcome to the team
[11:00] <dholbach> madduck: super... good to have you in the MOTU team
[11:00] <madduck> thx dudes
[11:00] <\sh> welcome madduck  :)
[11:00] <ajmitch> madduck: great, put your name down on the zope page :)
[11:00] <ogra> madduck, willkommen aus der eifel ;)
[11:01] <madduck> ajmitch: it's already there. :)
[11:01] <ajmitch> ah good
[11:01] <sabdfl> alright guys, what's up next?
[11:01] <mdz> \sh for upload to main
[11:01] <Nafallo> madduck: welcome :-)
[11:01] <\sh> It's all ogras fault 
[11:01] <bddebian> Damn madduck doesn't even do anything and HE gets in *sniff* *sniff*
[11:01] <mdz> \sh: how long have you been working in universe now?
[11:01] <bddebian> :-)
[11:01] <ajmitch> bddebian: he has a long history in debian
[11:02] <\sh> mdz: I think since breezy started? 
[11:02] <bddebian> ajmitch: I was kidding again.  I'll shutup again
[11:02] <\sh> some weeks after?
[11:02] <mdz> \sh: is that all? it seems like longer ;-)
[11:02] <ogra> he dd an uncountable number of uploads as MOTU ...
[11:02] <\sh> mdz: hehe...for me as well :)
[11:02] <mdz> \sh: the agenda says you are interested in working on KDE
[11:02] <siretart> the sheer amount of uploads listed in breezy-changes speak for themselves
[11:02] <Mez> \sh's been here since I've known ubuntu
[11:02] <ajmitch> probably just because of his OCD in flooding breezy-changes :)
[11:02] <siretart> of \sh that is
[11:02] <\sh> mdz: yes...actually I want to help Riddell to maintain the kde stuff in main
[11:02] <mdz> Riddell: are you around?
[11:02] <ogra> \sh, remember my words ;)
[11:03] <Riddell> yep, \sh has done some great stuff
[11:03] <\sh> mdz: but ogra told me, i have to upload as well some gnome related packages once or twice a release
[11:03] <Riddell> fixing beasties, merges, making packages
[11:03] <ogra> at least !!
[11:03] <Amaranth> ogra: his one package can be smeg :)
[11:03] <dholbach> ogra: ;-p
[11:03] <seb128_> pitti_: because you like freeze during normal work? :)
[11:04] <mdz> Riddell: so I take it you are satisfied with the quality of his work and would be glad to have him uploading KDE packages to main independently?
[11:04] <\sh> ogra: yeah :)
[11:04] <Amaranth> pitti: Did you ever get X going again?
[11:04] <ogra> mdz, you could give him firefox and he could handle it easily... (not that i'd vote for that)
[11:04] <mdz> \sh: what did you to to make ogra say such a terrible thing? ;-)
[11:04] <mdz> s/to/do/
[11:04] <Amaranth> ogra: That's _evil_.
[11:04] <dholbach> hahaha :)
[11:04] <Riddell> mdz: yes, I think he'd be really useful in main
[11:04] <ogra> mdz, he fixes the worst bugs in minutes
[11:04] <\sh> mdz: well I worked with him in the same company..and told him I was a Gentoo Dude ,-)
[11:04] <Mez> I think \sh must have slept with ogra's gf or something
[11:04] <seb128> dholbach said he wants firofox though
[11:05] <dholbach> seb128: I! WILL! GRILL! YOU! :)
[11:05] <ogra> Mez, i wouldnt be this friendly then :)
[11:05] <Mez> lol
[11:05] <Amaranth> dholbach: Why do you like pain?
[11:05] <Mez> that's friendly?
[11:05] <ogra> seb128, thinderbird too ?
[11:05] <dholbach> Amaranth: that's a long story
[11:05] <pitti> seb128: ++ :-)
[11:05] <seb128> dholbach: I love you too :)
[11:05] <sabdfl> oookkkkkk
[11:05] <dholbach> OUCH
[11:05] <Amaranth> back on topic
[11:05] <ogra> seb128, i mean they are a unit :)
[11:06] <seb128> right, that's for dholbach too
[11:06] <ogra> +1
[11:06] <ogra> :)
[11:06] <sabdfl> \sh: we have no independent restrictions, once you're in main, you can upload anything. can i take it you will get reviews of any changes before uploading a Base or Essential package?
[11:07] <dholbach> ogra, seb128, pitti: could you please stop it? you're giving me a huge headache :)
[11:07] <\sh> sabdfl: yes...this is what I like to have before doing any harm to X
[11:07] <mdz> \sh: you have been involved enough to know where and whom to ask if you're unsure about an upload, yes?
[11:07] <Amaranth> \sh: No kernel updates that print 'pwned' to the screen a million times :)
[11:07] <\sh> mdz: I will ask the right people :) or you can kick me again and again :)
[11:07] <Mez> what a good idea Amaranth 
[11:07] <sabdfl> tempting as that might be :-)
[11:07] <JaneW> right so I'll put dholbach 's name against those tasks...
[11:08] <mdz> JaneW: kthx
[11:08] <ogra> hehe
[11:08] <Keybuk> ...nobody could do more harm to X than daniels >:o)
[11:08] <\sh> Amaranth: I will never touch the kernel ! Promise
[11:08] <sabdfl> \sh: not into punishment, prefer to get these things straight socially rather than sending in elmo :-)
[11:08] <mdz> \sh: you're too far away; perhaps ogra could be my  proxy in that case
[11:09] <ogra> mdz, only 60km... thats esasy, i'll do it with a long stick ;)
[11:09] <sabdfl> \sh: hey, it would be great to have patches for the kernel! just careful with those unannounced uploads :-)
[11:09] <sabdfl> on that basis, and Riddell's recommendation, +1 from me
[11:09] <Keybuk> indeed, ++ from me, based on sheer number of uploads and competance thereof
[11:10] <\sh> sabdfl: no unannounced uploads :) promise
[11:10] <Nafallo> \sh++
[11:10] <mdz> +1, based on evident MOTU work, Riddell's endorsement, MOTU endorsement and first-hand interaction
[11:10] <sabdfl> one more...
[11:10] <sabdfl> w00t!
[11:10] <ogra> YAY !!
[11:10] <dholbach> congratulations stephan :)
[11:10] <Mez> congrats
[11:10] <sabdfl> \sh: thanks for your fantastic contribution and leadership so far, very glad to have you on board as a main uploader
[11:10] <ogra> congrats \sh  !
[11:10] <siretart> \sh: congratulations! you ROCK!!
[11:10] <Amaranth> ogra: \sh can't do any GNOME work, seb128 will bite him
[11:10] <Nafallo> woohoo! :-)
[11:10] <Nafallo> \sh: congrats indeed
[11:10] <ajmitch> \sh: well done
[11:11] <mdz> we should have a song to sing for new members and maintainers, a different verse for each phase of the process
[11:11] <Nafallo> \sh: now get jabberd2 into main ;-)
[11:11] <ogra> Amaranth, yes, i guess they would clash a bit :)
[11:11] <seb128> Amaranth: I'm happy to give some packages, you want gtk? :p
[11:11] <\sh> sabdfl: thank you very much :) It's really a pleasure and honour to work with those great people around here :)
[11:11] <madduck> \sh: keep it up!
[11:11] <sabdfl> seb128 only bites ME when i have dumb ideas, he's otherwise quite easy going
[11:11] <seb128> ah ah
[11:11] <ogra> mdz, shtoom meetings ??
[11:11] <sabdfl> Ghc6 transition?
[11:11] <pitti> welcome \sh! :-)
[11:11] <siretart> yes, I brought that on the topic
[11:11] <seb128> sabdfl: thanks for switching back to browser mode (from me and differents users who pinged me about that) :)
[11:12] <\sh> Nafallo: if jabberd2 is ready for real work...I just kicked it
[11:12] <siretart> I'm not really sure if the TB is the right address for that
[11:12] <mdz> sistpoty: what is the question regarding ghc6?
[11:12] <Nafallo> \sh: :-)
[11:12] <\sh> pitti: thx :)
[11:12] <sabdfl> seb128: you're welcome, and sorry for the brain fart previously
[11:12] <seb128> np 
[11:12] <siretart> but I (and sistpoty) would like to know how to proceed with that.
[11:12] <mdz> sistpoty: it looks to me like a buildd admin issue
[11:13] <mdz> if it can't be handled by normal uploads
[11:13] <ogra> siretart, get infinity to provide you the right buildd hooks for bootstrapping it
[11:13] <siretart> ok, then that point is done, and we will get in touch with infinity, sorry for bothering
[11:13] <sistpoty> ok
[11:14] <mdz> or lamont
[11:14] <siretart> okay
[11:14] <mdz> is there any other business?
[11:14] <mdz> rants, raves, kudos or rotting vegetables?
[11:14] <sabdfl> nothing from me
[11:14] <sabdfl> just having fun here with the Launchpad team
[11:15] <dholbach> that was a superb meeting :)
[11:15] <sabdfl> anybody been watching Rosetta recently?
[11:15] <sabdfl> it's looking guuuuuurd
[11:15] <mdz> sabdfl: the pressure is now on to get the rosetta launchpadintegration landing page in place
[11:15] <ogra> sabdfl, nope, but malone starts to look really nice :)
[11:15] <lamont> siretart: given instructions on what debs to install from where (that meet sanity requirements), I or infinity can bootstrap whatever
[11:15] <sabdfl> ogra: still have quite a bit of work to do on malone
[11:16] <ogra> sabdfl, but it gets nearer the usable state we need it...
[11:16] <ogra> s/the/to the
[11:16] <mdz> ok, I'm not hearing any further TB business, so let's adjourn
[11:16] <mdz> thanks to everyone for your participation
[11:16] <sabdfl> ogra: cool. bradb gets here thursday
[11:16] <pitti> cool, thanks to all
[11:16] <sabdfl> thanks everyone, good night
[11:16] <ogra> sabdfl, great :)
[11:16] <pitti> and congrats to our new MOTUs
[11:16] <ogra> night 
[11:16] <\sh> thanks to you guys :)
[11:16] <Keybuk> the next TB meeting takes place in the middle of my annual leave, but I'll try and find a not-too-well-secured wifi point for it
[11:16] <dholbach> thank you
[11:16] <mvo> night everyone
[11:16] <ogra> thanks mdz 
[11:17] <sistpoty> lamont: we just need the ghc6-package (that from debian/unstable would imo suffice)
[11:17] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[11:17] <lamont> sistpoty: ok
[11:17] <mdz> agenda flushed for the next meeting
[11:18] <\sh> cu around guys :)