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| \sh | ok...uploaded another patch for ire | 12:05 |
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| herve | \sh... go to bed | 12:06 |
| \sh | finishing my cigarette | 12:10 |
| herve | this is really a poor excuse | 12:11 |
| herve | you shouldn't smoke | 12:11 |
| herve | you should have sex instead :-) | 12:11 |
| \sh | well... | 12:12 |
| \sh | you're right..I should order a "realdoll.com"? | 12:13 |
| herve | :-) | 12:13 |
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| \sh | hahaha | 12:29 |
| \sh | i got it | 12:29 |
| herve | the doll? | 12:29 |
| ajmitch | ire builds on amd64? | 12:29 |
| Mez | you ordered the doll/ | 12:29 |
| \sh | ajmitch: yes | 12:30 |
| \sh | yes | 12:30 |
| \sh | yes | 12:30 |
| herve | \sh... | 12:30 |
| \sh | *dancejump* | 12:30 |
| ajmitch | congrats :) | 12:30 |
| \sh | 6 tries ;) | 12:30 |
| ajmitch | the breezy-changes readers will love you for it :) | 12:30 |
| === herve is building zope2.7 | ||
| ajmitch | heh | 12:30 |
| ajmitch | that doesn't take long, thankfully | 12:30 |
| tseng | i thought i said some pretty silly stuff on breezy-changes | 12:30 |
| tseng | before daniels came along | 12:30 |
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| ajmitch | herve: do you think we can get 2.8 in universe? :) | 12:31 |
| herve | or they wonder is "Stephan Hermann" is a team of crazy maintainers that never sllep! | 12:31 |
| herve | obviously | 12:31 |
| \sh | doing the patch dance...amd64 fixed? | 12:31 |
| tseng | imagine if dholbach and sh were around at the same time | 12:31 |
| tseng | vs. seb and doko | 12:31 |
| herve | do you volunteer? :-) | 12:31 |
| \sh | * You don't want to know it, another source fix for amd64 | 12:31 |
| \sh | lol | 12:31 |
| ajmitch | herve: 2.8 & a 3.0 package are in sid | 12:32 |
| ajmitch | iirc | 12:32 |
| ajmitch | at least I saw the uploads on the pkg-zope-developers list | 12:32 |
| herve | haven't followed much | 12:32 |
| herve | I'm still to use 2.7 | 12:32 |
| herve | no, wait | 12:32 |
| ajmitch | some people might welcome 3 | 12:32 |
| herve | today I just dream of dropping zope! | 12:32 |
| herve | I find zope3 in unstable but not zope2.8 | 12:33 |
| ajmitch | ok | 12:33 |
| ajmitch | might still be in NEW | 12:33 |
| herve | or in Fabio's repository | 12:33 |
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| herve | (Fabio?) | 12:33 |
| ajmitch | nah, the mails said it was NEW | 12:33 |
| ajmitch | ok july 14th | 12:34 |
| herve | so many things to remember :-) | 12:34 |
| ajmitch | ftp-master is still down | 12:35 |
| ajmitch | iirc fabio got the google SoC bounty for zope packaging | 12:36 |
| ajmitch | but I haven't seen him round ubuntu channels | 12:36 |
| herve | didn't know that | 12:37 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I saw it on the BreezyBounties page | 12:37 |
| ajmitch | ok udu.wiki | 12:38 |
| ajmitch | s/ok/on/ | 12:38 |
| ajmitch | besides, #pkg-zope is so dead most of the time :) | 12:39 |
| herve | ha right | 12:39 |
| herve | I should remember to join it :-) | 12:40 |
| ajmitch | :) | 12:40 |
| \sh | time to go to bed, part 2 | 12:46 |
| \sh | cu later dudes | 12:47 |
| SloMo_ | gn8 \sh_away :) | 12:47 |
| Mez | ok to put MOM stuff in revu seeing as I dont have upload access? | 12:51 |
| Mez | and link to it as pending upload? | 12:51 |
| SloMo_ | Mez: for mom stuff just add a debdiff to the bugreport and link it at MOTUToMerge... why do you want to put it in revu? | 12:53 |
| === Mez has no idea how to make a debdiff thats why | ||
| SloMo_ | debdiff oldversion.dsc newversion.dsc | 12:54 |
| SloMo_ | or just do diff -Naur oldversiondirectory newversiondirectory | 12:54 |
| Mez | erm | 12:54 |
| Mez | what if I'm not increasing version number? | 12:54 |
| Mez | or should the debdiff be from the current package in Ubuntu? | 12:54 |
| SloMo_ | then just do the second... the diff should be against the mom-merged version afaik | 12:55 |
| Mez | there's no old version and no new version | 12:55 |
| Mez | I just changed the mom-merged slightly | 12:55 |
| Mez | I shouldnt have to increase the version number should i? | 12:56 |
| SloMo_ | no... but as oldversiondirectory just take the plain mom-merged version | 12:56 |
| Mez | so it should be against the mom-merged version? | 01:02 |
| SloMo_ | yes | 01:04 |
| Mez | SloMo_, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11175 look any good? | 01:05 |
| SloMo_ | looks ok :) | 01:06 |
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| herve | night! | 01:21 |
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| pete | are one supposed to set the merge-bug status to pending after supplying a patch? | 01:35 |
| SloMo_ | pete: afaik yes | 01:36 |
| Mez | yes | 01:37 |
| pete | hmm.. how do one do that? | 01:38 |
| === pete can't seem to find it :S | ||
| pete | is there supposed to be a dropdown menu to the right of "Status:" on bugzilla? | 01:53 |
| SloMo_ | nope... you can select the new status over the commit button and under the comment entry field | 01:58 |
| pete | I only have "Leave as NEW" | 02:03 |
| SloMo_ | do you have editbug rights? | 02:03 |
| pete | probably not then | 02:03 |
| SloMo_ | hmm ask ogra about that ;) | 02:03 |
| pete | am I supposed to have editbug rights? | 02:04 |
| SloMo_ | no idea ;) ask ogra | 02:06 |
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| bddebian | Ahh, to work on more merge stuff or my "real" job... :-( | 02:31 |
| SloMo_ | bddebian: what about both? :) | 02:32 |
| bddebian | Work's VPN jacks up my local network :-( | 02:32 |
| bddebian | SloMo_: And you are becoming a slave driver.. ;-) | 02:33 |
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| SloMo_ | hmm, i'll go to sleep ;) gn8 all :) | 02:48 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: doing both can be good :) | 03:02 |
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| bddebian | ajmitch: I can't wrap my mind around MS products and Free Software at the same time ;-P | 03:17 |
| ajmitch | heh | 03:17 |
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| bddebian | Aye, that's how I'm VPN'd in to the office right now. :-( | 03:18 |
| bddebian | Fsck I hate my job.. :'-( | 03:41 |
| schweeb_ | bddebian: cisco vpn? | 03:41 |
| schweeb_ | vpnc works great in linux | 03:41 |
| schweeb_ | and if you modify the vpnc-connect script, it won't steal your default route | 03:42 |
| bddebian | schweeb_: Aye, Cisco | 03:43 |
| bddebian | schweeb_: Yeah but it might be tough to get Remote Desktop on GNU/Linux ;-) | 03:43 |
| schweeb_ | no | 03:44 |
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| schweeb_ | not at all | 03:44 |
| schweeb_ | there's tsclient | 03:44 |
| schweeb_ | I'm using it right now | 03:45 |
| bddebian | Really | 03:45 |
| bddebian | Hmm | 03:45 |
| schweeb_ | bddebian: go to Applications>Internet>Terminal Server Client | 03:46 |
| schweeb_ | it does VNC, RDP (rdesktop), and probably some other stuff | 03:46 |
| bddebian | Wow | 03:46 |
| schweeb_ | looks like they eventually plan Citrix support | 03:46 |
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| tritium | strange new nick...hmm...sudo /etc/init.d/ogra_d restart | 04:05 |
| tritium | ::) | 04:06 |
| bddebian | hehe | 04:06 |
| crimsun | There must be some cosmic plot to thwart me. First there's a tornado watch that drives me into the basement for an hour. After that, torrential downpour. When the rain lets up a bit, I run across the street to Target to buy an umbrella. So of course it only makes sense that when I step outside Target, it's sunny. | 04:36 |
| === bddebian looks for the black helicopters | ||
| === ajmitch upgrade his zope install | ||
| ajmitch | plenty of packages in the latest upgrade round, most of them probably by \sh | 04:37 |
| bddebian | :-) | 04:38 |
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| Tonio | hello | 04:51 |
| Tonio | having a little question packagind an app... | 04:51 |
| Tonio | the code is released as stable but contains a CVS folder in "admin" | 04:51 |
| bddebian | Tonio: Hello. I don't know much but shoot and I'll try | 04:51 |
| bddebian | Tonio: Remove all CVS folders so lintian won't complain :-) | 04:52 |
| Tonio | and doesn't compile if I remove this... | 04:52 |
| Tonio | yes | 04:52 |
| Tonio | but if I remove this the code doesn't compile ;) | 04:52 |
| ajmitch | do you know why it doesn't compile? | 04:52 |
| Tonio | here is the issue | 04:52 |
| bddebian | Ahh | 04:52 |
| Tonio | because it doesn't find the cvs folder | 04:52 |
| Tonio | that's what is said.... | 04:52 |
| ajmitch | because a CVS dir ought to be just metadata | 04:52 |
| ajmitch | that is slightly crazy :) | 04:52 |
| Tonio | supposed I know... but here is a specific case... | 04:52 |
| Tonio | yes, but that's it | 04:53 |
| ajmitch | you could patch the makefiles such that it doesn't break | 04:53 |
| Tonio | I'll try yes ;) | 04:53 |
| Tonio | already compiled 8 apps, I'm okay know... thank's to all of you for your help | 04:54 |
| ajmitch | sounds like it's going well then :) | 04:55 |
| Tonio | another question, do I have to add autoconf to deps if this is required by configure script ? | 04:55 |
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| quad | blah, this no internet bug in breezy is killing me! | 04:55 |
| ajmitch | no internet bug? | 04:57 |
| quad | my dhclient fails to get an ip | 04:59 |
| quad | seems similar to: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51242 | 04:59 |
| quad | but i can't get a static ip | 04:59 |
| bddebian | Tonio: These are all new packages? | 05:00 |
| Tonio | yes | 05:01 |
| Tonio | I have about 20 to finish | 05:01 |
| bddebian | Wow | 05:02 |
| Tonio | I'm looking kde-apps for very popular and well noted apps that actually forgot, like klibido, kompos, ksystemlok etc... | 05:02 |
| Tonio | ksystemlog excuse me | 05:02 |
| bddebian | Nice | 05:02 |
| ajmitch | great, have you been talking with riddell & the others in the kubuntu team? | 05:03 |
| Tonio | I found using kubuntu that the kde apps where no as present than gnome, and felt it was necessary to contribute, even thew I didn't knew anything about packaging... | 05:03 |
| Tonio | yes | 05:03 |
| ajmitch | ah good :) | 05:04 |
| quad | ajmitch: you know anything about my bug? any suggestions | 05:04 |
| Tonio | in fact I started building a little repo and riddel came to me asking why didn't I do this directly fur the ubuntu breezy, which was a very good idea in fact ^^ | 05:04 |
| ajmitch | quad: no, I don't sorry | 05:05 |
| quad | :( | 05:07 |
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| Tonio | after 5 hours trying to understand everything lintian doesn't like, seeing this is a REAL pleasure ;) | 06:10 |
| Tonio | tonio@Totoland:~/Datas/Informatique/Kubunbu_Repository/katalog/katalog-0.3$ lintian ../*.dsc | 06:10 |
| Tonio | tonio@Totoland:~/Datas/Informatique/Kubunbu_Repository/katalog/katalog-0.3$ | 06:10 |
| bddebian | :-) | 06:10 |
| bddebian | You know you didn't have to fix the NMU errors right? :-) | 06:10 |
| Tonio | no | 06:11 |
| Tonio | but I don't understand why lol | 06:11 |
| Tonio | I didn't do anything concerning this.... I should have been very inspired for a few minutes, but I don't remember what has changed on that point.... | 06:12 |
| schweeb_ | NMU = non maintainer upload | 06:29 |
| schweeb_ | which is correct, if you're doing the uploading :p | 06:29 |
| bddebian | Gnight folks | 07:13 |
| tritium | good night, bddebian | 07:13 |
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| \sh | morning | 10:23 |
| ajmitch | hey \sh | 10:24 |
| ajmitch | ready for another round of merges? ;) | 10:24 |
| \sh | hehe...first I have to do my job here ;) | 10:25 |
| \sh | let me ceck my tickets here, and when I resolve them...sure :) | 10:25 |
| sivang | \sh: what sort of tickets? :) | 10:26 |
| \sh | sivang: digital tv stuff | 10:26 |
| sivang | \sh: oh goody, I bet it's interesting no? | 10:26 |
| \sh | sivang: hehe..well..sometimes yes, sometimes no...most of the time routine | 10:26 |
| ajmitch | so somehow I got on the laptop testing team, now I have to find a fax machine | 10:28 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch, did you sign up? | 10:28 |
| \sh | ajmitch: lucky one u :) | 10:28 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch, as I got signed up | 10:29 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: well I got sent the email, without being on the wiki page | 10:29 |
| ajmitch | so I don't know :) | 10:29 |
| Treenaks | I got sent the mail, and I /am/ on there | 10:29 |
| sivang | ajmitch: cool for you :) | 10:29 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch, as did I. I think they are rewarding some of people who didn't sign up and are useful | 10:30 |
| sivang | ajmitch: someone told me they tracked active people in the mailing lists etc.. | 10:30 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: quite possibly | 10:30 |
| sivang | Burgundavia: exactly | 10:30 |
| \sh | oh then it's clear ,-) | 10:30 |
| \sh | I'm not active on the ML...don't have time for this | 10:30 |
| ajmitch | \sh: they'll track breezy-changes ;) | 10:30 |
| Burgundavia | but you are active in package uploading | 10:30 |
| \sh | lol | 10:30 |
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| ajmitch | it got sent to the address I use for uploads | 10:31 |
| === Burgundavia needs to fax that tomorrow | ||
| ajmitch | well, sent to matthew garrett actually :) | 10:31 |
| \sh | they're scared that I use the laptop for package building | 10:31 |
| Burgundavia | yes, that was odd | 10:31 |
| ajmitch | maybe they saw my laptop at UDU & felt sorry for me ;) | 10:31 |
| Burgundavia | ouch | 10:32 |
| ajmitch | p2-400 :) | 10:32 |
| Burgundavia | I had my fathers old panasonic toughbook from 1998 | 10:32 |
| Burgundavia | I beat you | 10:32 |
| ajmitch | I never build packages on that clunker, unless it's needed | 10:32 |
| \sh | I only have this nc6000 from my company..so I'm using it ,-) | 10:33 |
| ajmitch | :) | 10:34 |
| \sh | my desktops are at my exwifes place..to be used by my son... | 10:34 |
| ajmitch | ah.. | 10:34 |
| \sh | one moment pls...work is calling ,-) | 10:34 |
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| ajmitch | yay, got powerpc system setup (with hoary for now) | 01:22 |
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| \sh | Mithrandir: ping | 01:58 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: yes? | 01:59 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: I send u my ssh key for ravel... | 01:59 |
| \sh | (my new one :() | 02:00 |
| Mithrandir | you have? | 02:01 |
| \sh | I'll send it 3 mins ago :) | 02:02 |
| \sh | to your canonical address | 02:03 |
| \sh | msgid <200507261358.31686.sh@sourcecode.de> | 02:03 |
| Mez | hmm | 02:16 |
| Mez | http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/debtags-edit/ | 02:16 |
| Mez | why no orig.tar.gz ? | 02:16 |
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| slomo | Mez: because it's a native package... but seems like the ubuntu changes (just rebuilds) can be dropped with this package so no need to worry ;) | 02:20 |
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| Amaranth | Mez: Just the man I've been looking for. :) | 02:41 |
| Mez | what have I done now | 02:41 |
| Amaranth | Mez|Hidingfrom: Any reason why firefox is still in backports? It's not needed and may or may not be messing up upgrades. | 02:41 |
| Mez|Hiding | Amaranth - ah... yes - I shall pull | 02:41 |
| Mez|Hiding | hmm | 02:42 |
| Mez|Hiding | though thing is it'll caus eproblems cause BP has a higher version than Sec. | 02:42 |
| Mez|Hiding | as it's based off the breezy version | 02:42 |
| Amaranth | ? | 02:42 |
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| Amaranth | err | 02:43 |
| Amaranth | Oh, ubuntu0.1 | 02:43 |
| Amaranth | shit | 02:43 |
| Mez|Hiding | yeah | 02:43 |
| Amaranth | Well, supposedly jdong fixed the problems but we've had a couple users in #ubuntu with firefox and mozilla-firefox packages conflicting because they're trying to own the same files. | 02:44 |
| Mez | Amaranth, backports conflicts and bumps the mozilla-firefox version | 02:44 |
| Amaranth | oh, it Conflicts now? | 02:44 |
| Mez | ah shit | 02:45 |
| Mez | no | 02:45 |
| Mez | http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ubp/sources/firefox-1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5.debian-rules | 02:45 |
| Mez | it should be Depends: mozilla-firefox (= ${Source-Version}) | 02:45 |
| Mez | but, unless they're downloading the debs | 02:46 |
| Mez | instead of using the repository | 02:46 |
| Mez | then it shouldnt be a problem | 02:46 |
| Mez | Amaranth: do you see any problem with that control file? | 02:48 |
| Amaranth | 1.0.4? | 02:49 |
| Mez | that['s what we worked form | 02:49 |
| Mez | but, we obv changed for .6 | 02:49 |
| Mez | but, in theory it shouldnt cause problems (and hasnt so far) | 02:50 |
| Mez | cause it "overrides" | 02:50 |
| Mez | mozilla-firefox | 02:50 |
| Amaranth | i'm not very good at all that crap | 02:50 |
| Mez | or should Itr be pre-depend | 02:50 |
| Amaranth | 'firefox' vs 'mozilla-firefox' and provides and etc are all a bit over my head still | 02:50 |
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| \sh | slomo: ping | 03:48 |
| slomo | \sh: pong | 03:48 |
| \sh | slomo: imms ftbfsing on amd64 | 03:48 |
| slomo | ok, i'll look at it :/ | 03:49 |
| slomo | hmm... i need an amd64 machine around me ;) | 03:52 |
| slomo | hm, in which X library is XQueryPointer and XOpenDisplay located? and why does it work on every other architecture? ;) | 03:54 |
| \sh | apt-file ,-) | 03:54 |
| slomo | apt-file can search for library functions? ;) | 03:55 |
| \sh | normally u will have a manpage in lib*-dev packages for this function ,-) | 03:57 |
| \sh | slomo: and to your question...it's a secret...i can't tell you ,-) | 03:57 |
| slomo | \sh: the question regarding eris or this question? ;) | 03:57 |
| \sh | slomo: i will check it when I'm home...in the moment I'm also busy with my "normal work" here ==> has nothing to do with linux at all ;) | 03:58 |
| slomo | np :) maybe i've already solved this until then ;) | 03:58 |
| \sh | slomo: check CxxLibraryList if it's already transitioned...I don't know if this lib was a c++ lib | 03:59 |
| slomo | it is... and was fixed by you ;) | 04:00 |
| \sh | really? *shrug* | 04:01 |
| slomo | yep... on 31 may, at least that is what the changelog says | 04:03 |
| \sh | must be the truth | 04:10 |
| \sh | oh.../topic | 04:11 |
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| slomo | \sh: these 2 functions are in -lX11 it seems... | 04:15 |
| slomo | now we need someone on amd64 to test it... hm :( | 04:16 |
| \sh | slomo: I'm w8 for mithrandir to reactivate my account on ravel :) | 04:19 |
| slomo | \sh: what does this do: dh_makeshlibs -plibatlas-cpp-0.5c2 -V 'libatlas-cpp-0.5' ? | 04:19 |
| \sh | jesus | 04:19 |
| \sh | damn | 04:19 |
| \sh | one moment dude | 04:20 |
| slomo | hehe ok | 04:20 |
| \sh | fix uploaded | 04:22 |
| \sh | txj | 04:22 |
| \sh | aeh thx | 04:23 |
| slomo | for libatlas-cpp? ok thanks :) when it's in the archives you can just upload the debdiff i sent you last night... and then i can fix sear ;) | 04:23 |
| \sh | for eris? | 04:24 |
| \sh | ok..this evening ;-) | 04:24 |
| === \sh will do everything this evening | ||
| slomo | hehe... hopefully libatlas-cpp is in the archives by then ;) | 04:25 |
| slomo | hm, you got the mail last night? | 04:25 |
| \sh | slomo: yes :) | 04:26 |
| slomo | ok fine :) hm, maybe i can upload this myself this evening ;) | 04:26 |
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| === \sh smoking | ||
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| === Mez pokes Nafallo in the eye | ||
| === Mez runs away giggling | ||
| Mez | siretart: ping | 04:45 |
| siretart | Mez: pong | 04:45 |
| siretart | Mez: poking in other's eyes is not nice.. | 04:45 |
| Mez | it was a friendly poke in the eye | 04:46 |
| Mez | is there any other type? | 04:46 |
| siretart | ;) | 04:47 |
| === ogra hands siretart a handkerchief to dry the tears from poking.... | ||
| siretart | thnx :) | 04:47 |
| === siretart hands over to Nafallo | ||
| ogra | oh, i muddled that :) | 04:48 |
| Mez | lol | 05:00 |
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| bddebian | Morning | 05:24 |
| Nafallo | hehe, morning all :-) | 05:25 |
| bddebian | Heya Nafallo | 05:25 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 05:27 |
| Nafallo | meeting @ 00:00 UTC+2 *yawns* | 05:28 |
| bddebian | Meeting? | 05:28 |
| Nafallo | TB | 05:28 |
| bddebian | Ahh, not for us neophytes then :-) | 05:28 |
| Nafallo | aha! that's 22:00 UTC+2 | 05:29 |
| Nafallo | nice | 05:29 |
| Nafallo | damn evolution translates the timezones for me :-P. | 05:30 |
| ogra | Nafallo, gworldclock ;) | 05:39 |
| === bddebian pokes ogra just for fun :-) | ||
| === ogra pokes back | ||
| Nafallo | ogra: baah. put a worldmap on it and I might consider it ;-) | 05:40 |
| ogra | pffft... all these gui addicted guys around here | 05:40 |
| Mithrandir | just switch your life to UTC and be happy | 05:40 |
| tseng | ogra: command line disintegration | 05:40 |
| ogra | heh | 05:41 |
| === Mithrandir hugs zsh | ||
| ogra | Mithrandir, depens where you live .... this will correlate with the happyness :) | 05:41 |
| Mithrandir | we should make zsh Essential: yes and make all user's shell be zsh | 05:41 |
| ogra | bah | 05:43 |
| ogra | <-- basher | 05:43 |
| tseng | i got pissed off having back/forward not work | 05:43 |
| tseng | im too lazy for zsh | 05:43 |
| tseng | $ echo $0 | 05:44 |
| tseng | bash | 05:44 |
| Mithrandir | zsh is the peak of laziness. | 05:44 |
| tseng | love. | 05:44 |
| tseng | Mithrandir: dude, you have to config it | 05:44 |
| tseng | entirely too much work. | 05:44 |
| === siretart also loves zsh | ||
| Mithrandir | nah, you just have to hold down tab and think about what you want to do | 05:44 |
| tseng | zcomp esp? | 05:45 |
| tseng | i guess ESP doesnt translate | 05:45 |
| slomo | does zsh already support utf8? it doesn't last time i used it... | 05:45 |
| tseng | psychic | 05:45 |
| Mithrandir | slomo: not too well, no :-/ | 05:46 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: yeah, it's psychic | 05:46 |
| slomo | well this was the first reason why i stayed with bash ;) | 05:47 |
| \sh | ah Mithrandir | 05:48 |
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| \sh | ok..guys..just going home...bbl | 05:54 |
| bddebian | Later \sh | 05:54 |
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| ogra | siretart, whats the ationale to put all the MOTU transitions on the TB agenda ? | 06:05 |
| ogra | we have to do them all anyway, i dont understand why you want to discuss them at the TB ... | 06:06 |
| ogra | ... since they have nothing to do with the TB | 06:06 |
| siretart | ogra: I wasn't too sure, I wanted to check that with you anyways. | 06:14 |
| siretart | ogra: the probles is, that I wanted to know, what is the status about currently ongoing transistions, and what transistions are planned for breezy | 06:14 |
| ogra | siretart, we _have_ to do all of them... with highest priority | 06:15 |
| ogra | slang and aalib are transitioned in main.... we have to care for the universe stuff here | 06:15 |
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| siretart | *gulp* | 06:15 |
| ogra | glu has to wait for xorg, there we have no choice... | 06:15 |
| ogra | and as i understand the haskell stuff this waits for xorg too | 06:16 |
| siretart | not necessarily | 06:16 |
| siretart | the matter with ghc is a bit more complicated | 06:16 |
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| siretart | I'll take the transition stuff off from the agenda | 06:17 |
| ogra | siretart, did you already ask someone with direct access to the buildds fro the right hooks for ghc ? | 06:17 |
| siretart | ogra: yes, cpphs could already be built with hugs, haskell-utils should be doable | 06:18 |
| ogra | doesnt sond like its not doable within the next weeks | 06:19 |
| siretart | after that, we are a bit unsure how to proceed with ghc6, because since the latest upstream revision, it needs ghc6 to be built :/ | 06:19 |
| ogra | yes, thus my question about hooks on the buildd | 06:19 |
| siretart | cpphs was already uploaded, haskell-utils can be built, it needs 'fixed' builddepends for sbuild | 06:19 |
| siretart | what hooks are there on the buildd? | 06:20 |
| ogra | none, some buildd admin has to provide them manually ... | 06:21 |
| ogra | lets discuss it with infinity... i think doko is also someone who knows a small bit about bootstrapping | 06:21 |
| siretart | ok | 06:22 |
| bddebian | I thought someone had built ghc6-bootstrap? | 06:22 |
| ogra | i saw that too anywhere in here... | 06:22 |
| siretart | sistpoty has | 06:23 |
| ogra | and it doesnt work ? | 06:23 |
| siretart | but in that form, it is not that usable, will have to recheck with him | 06:23 |
| siretart | it downloads stuff at build-time | 06:23 |
| bddebian | Can't it just be used to build haskell-utils and the full ghc6 ? | 06:24 |
| siretart | I havn't checked it yet, have to work here, still :( | 06:25 |
| doko | ogra, siretart: please talk with infinity, he has to do it on the build machine anyway | 06:26 |
| siretart | doko: ok, we will do | 06:26 |
| ogra | doko, thanks, thats what i thought | 06:26 |
| \sh | slomo: ping | 06:41 |
| slomo | \sh: pong | 06:41 |
| \sh | slomo: atlas-cpp went through | 06:42 |
| slomo | \sh: fine :) can you please upload the new eris version then? :) | 06:43 |
| ogra | guys, dont forget to put yourself on the agenda today for upload rights .... | 06:43 |
| \sh | will do just now...give me some minutes to relax from work...:) I just had a look only | 06:44 |
| Mez | \sh thought you already were on the agenda and had upload rights | 06:44 |
| Mez | :P | 06:44 |
| Amaranth | TB meeting today? | 06:45 |
| Mez | yup | 06:45 |
| Mez | in like... 3.25 hours | 06:46 |
| === bddebian wonders if he should join just to sit in.. | ||
| Mez | bddebian, everyone is welcome to si in | 06:48 |
| siretart | ogra: I cound 5 on MaintainerCandidates | 06:50 |
| siretart | err s/5/7/ | 06:51 |
| === bddebian should probably remove himself for now | ||
| Mez | cound? | 06:51 |
| siretart | bddebian: why? | 06:52 |
| bddebian | siretart: Probably not ready yet :-) | 06:52 |
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| Tonio | siretart: hi, tell me, if I upload again katalog today (correct with good deps etc...) will it overwrite the old version ? | 07:15 |
| schweeb | Tonio: you need up increment the version, if that's what you're asking | 07:20 |
| Tonio | okay, do I need to put -1ubuntu0 | 07:23 |
| Tonio | or -0ubuntu1 | 07:23 |
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| \sh | -0ubuntu1 | 07:25 |
| ogra | Tonio, always -0ubuntu1 so the debian package will overwrite it once there is a debian -1 version | 07:27 |
| ogra | (which would be the first debian package) | 07:28 |
| slomo | Tonio: for revu you best keep the version as is... it will be overwritten then | 07:28 |
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| jan1 | hello all | 07:28 |
| \sh | did i say , that siretart and sistopy are rocking dudes? this nice little password recovery tools is GREAT! | 07:28 |
| ogra | with every new package you increment the last number (indeed only if you do "real" uploads, not revu uploads) i.e. -0ubuntu2 | 07:28 |
| bddebian | Hello Jan1 | 07:29 |
| jan1 | hmm someone took jani | 07:29 |
| ogra | Tonio, but a package that gets intially packaged for ubuntu and doesnt exist in debian should always have 0ubuntu1 | 07:29 |
| Tonio | ogra: ok ant hnaks for the info | 07:29 |
| Tonio | took me a long moment but my packages are clean now ;) | 07:30 |
| Tonio | ogra: I'm just uplaoding right now, but it appears to upload to fast to me. | 07:39 |
| Tonio | can you confirm me that you can see the files on the server ? | 07:39 |
| ogra | Tonio, nope | 07:39 |
| ogra | i dont have access to the revu server | 07:39 |
| ogra | ask siretart | 07:39 |
| Tonio | excuse ma ;) | 07:40 |
| Tonio | me | 07:40 |
| siretart | Tonio: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=185 is this your upload? | 07:40 |
| ogra | np | 07:40 |
| bddebian | Tonio: siretart is REVU master :-) | 07:40 |
| siretart | atm. until we get that vserver for revu | 07:41 |
| Tonio | k | 07:41 |
| Tonio | I don't have the feeling that .orig.tar.gz file is sent.... | 07:41 |
| siretart | it was not | 07:42 |
| Tonio | dput -P *_source.changes | 07:42 |
| Tonio | isn't that correct ? | 07:42 |
| \sh | debuild -S -sa | 07:42 |
| bddebian | Yes | 07:42 |
| siretart | how did you run dpkg-buildpackge? | 07:42 |
| \sh | for source upload | 07:42 |
| bddebian | Ohh | 07:42 |
| bddebian | whoops | 07:42 |
| Tonio | debuild -s | 07:42 |
| siretart | as \sh said, always use '-S -sa' instead of plain '-S' | 07:43 |
| siretart | for revu, that is | 07:43 |
| Tonio | okay | 07:43 |
| Tonio | I'm doing it then overwrite everthing.... sorry ;) | 07:43 |
| Tonio | can you delete all of those uploads ? | 07:44 |
| Tonio | or do I have to modify version to get it overwritten ? | 07:45 |
| siretart | if you want an upload nuked, make a comment | 07:49 |
| siretart | an admin like \sh, me, ajmitch, tseng or dholbach will have possibility to nuke an upload | 07:50 |
| Tonio | okay ;) Cause I don't want to create a mess on the server... | 07:51 |
| Tonio | I'll wait for them to nuke | 07:51 |
| Tonio | you say "will" | 07:52 |
| Tonio | don't you have it at the moment ? | 07:52 |
| siretart | Tonio: you can update uploads without creating new entries. the main page lists only one entry per sourcepackage | 07:52 |
| Tonio | yes but it says "nothing to do with .source file" if ti try tu overwrite... | 07:53 |
| siretart | delete the source file | 07:53 |
| Tonio | k | 07:53 |
| Tonio | nice ;) | 07:54 |
| \sh | preparing some coffee and getting refreshed for the meeting ;-) | 07:54 |
| siretart | eta 2h, yes? | 07:54 |
| siretart | damn, and I'm still in the office and have to work | 07:54 |
| siretart | :/ | 07:54 |
| \sh | yeah..but I have to smell fresh and yummy before I can stand in the middle of the arena ,-) | 07:55 |
| siretart | ah, you applied for main. :) gogogo! :) | 07:55 |
| \sh | siretart: yes..sadly ,-) | 07:56 |
| siretart | ;) | 07:56 |
| \sh | it's all ogras fault, I'll tell him, when they're finished with me *lol* | 07:58 |
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| jan1 | \sh good luck, you've been very productive lately | 08:01 |
| \sh | jan1: actually I'm doing this only to support riddell... | 08:07 |
| jan1 | nevertheless you're productive :) | 08:07 |
| jan1 | there's no exuse for that | 08:08 |
| === Riddell hugs \sh | ||
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| ivoks | hi guys | 08:09 |
| bddebian | Hello ivoks | 08:09 |
| jan1 | h iivoks | 08:09 |
| ivoks | this backup stuff is harder than i tought :( | 08:09 |
| \sh | Riddell: I love u too :) | 08:09 |
| ivoks | \sh hi | 08:10 |
| \sh | hey ivoks | 08:10 |
| === \sh learned something | ||
| \sh | READ THE FCKING MANUALS :) or in my case REPORTS ,-> | 08:10 |
| ivoks | anyone wants to contribute or see my work i have done in last 2 days | 08:11 |
| ivoks | ? | 08:11 |
| ivoks | none? :( | 08:12 |
| ivoks | no one | 08:12 |
| bddebian | ivoks: If I could I would :-) | 08:12 |
| ivoks | you could check it out and run it :) | 08:13 |
| \sh | ivoks: u created the desaster recovery backup option for ubuntu breezy especially for my laptop? ,-> | 08:13 |
| siretart | rsnapshot is very nice for that | 08:14 |
| ivoks | \sh :-) | 08:14 |
| \sh | but not if your hd is dieing suddenly...evenings it's working, mornings it's broken | 08:14 |
| ivoks | \sh i did catch up python so well :) | 08:14 |
| \sh | and no...it's not the folk song of cat stevens | 08:15 |
| ivoks | \sh want to try it? | 08:15 |
| jan1 | ogra, so can elmo do a sync and say ignore ubuntu1 patches en-gross for a list of packages skipping MOM? | 08:16 |
| ogra | yep | 08:16 |
| \sh | ivoks: honestly: not today, cause I have other thoughts in my head and other things to think of...but please give me link to test it tomorrow | 08:16 |
| ivoks | ogra could you help me? :( | 08:17 |
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| ivoks | http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/backup.py | 08:19 |
| ivoks | don't take it seriuosly, it's just begining | 08:19 |
| ivoks | 3kb file | 08:20 |
| \sh | that's all? | 08:22 |
| ivoks | :( | 08:22 |
| \sh | I'm tired? | 08:22 |
| \sh | lol | 08:22 |
| ivoks | feel free to contribute | 08:22 |
| ivoks | :) | 08:22 |
| jan1 | I'm just nitpicking ivoks, this is not a priority if you want a working app | 08:22 |
| \sh | I don't code gtk | 08:22 |
| \sh | I'm the kde guy ,-) use python-kde3 ,-) | 08:23 |
| jan1 | but there is a tarfile module in python, so you don't need to exec tar.Or so I think. | 08:23 |
| ivoks | jan1 thanks for the tip | 08:23 |
| ivoks | jan1 i'm quite new to python and gtk... this wasn't so hard to do, but whole day i'm busting my head how to create treeview of folders on disk | 08:24 |
| ivoks | with checkboxes | 08:24 |
| jan1 | I don't know python either aside from occasional reading of source and a few scripts | 08:25 |
| jan1 | I just remembered I used tarfile once and it's slower than execcing tar itself :( | 08:25 |
| ivoks | eh | 08:26 |
| ogra | ivoks, hmm, thats *very* basic :) | 08:26 |
| ivoks | ogra yeah, it's 4 hours of work | 08:26 |
| ivoks | and 20 hours of trying to figure out how to create treeview of folders | 08:27 |
| ivoks | i will continue my work, don't worry... | 08:27 |
| ogra | ivoks, it just created a 1.5 gig file in temp until my / ran out of space .... | 08:28 |
| ivoks | :) | 08:28 |
| ogra | you should do some size checks | 08:28 |
| ivoks | ogra i know | 08:28 |
| ivoks | i wanted to do a treeview with size column | 08:28 |
| ogra | and you should warn testers about that ;) | 08:28 |
| ivoks | sorry | 08:29 |
| \sh | ok...now for coffee and a shower... | 08:29 |
| ogra | if you use xfs for / your system is fucked after running out of space | 08:29 |
| ogra | completely | 08:29 |
| ivoks | ok, guys, backup.py is potentional DOS | 08:29 |
| slomo | ogra: what happens then? | 08:29 |
| === slomo worries | ||
| siretart | slomo: then you better have fullbackups ;) | 08:30 |
| ivoks | slomo boot ubuntu installation and delete some files | 08:30 |
| ogra | slomo, it starts to write zeros | 08:30 |
| ivoks | oh... | 08:30 |
| ogra | slomo, its not easy to get it running again... but the xfs repair tools can do it.... its just a lot of work :) | 08:31 |
| slomo | omg... well, this means i have to keep an eye on my free disc space ;) | 08:31 |
| ogra | slomo, www.grawert.net has a simple diskchecker script from the days i ran xfs systems ;) | 08:31 |
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| ivoks | herve hi | 08:32 |
| herve | hello | 08:32 |
| slomo | ogra: what do you use now? | 08:32 |
| bddebian | Heya herve | 08:32 |
| herve | hey ivoks! | 08:32 |
| ogra | ext3 | 08:32 |
| ogra | but thats sloow...compared to xfs ... | 08:32 |
| jan1 | ogra, tried reiser? | 08:33 |
| herve | ogra, I removed xfs when I began to lost files at fsck | 08:33 |
| ivoks | herve what's up? | 08:33 |
| herve | ivoks, nothing much, my work days are still the way to hell | 08:33 |
| herve | ogra, and I found it slow :-) (to copy files, if we don't mean the same) | 08:33 |
| ogra | jan1, i will never let anything hans reiser designed nearer then 10m to any of my systems | 08:33 |
| ivoks | :) | 08:34 |
| jan1 | ogra, watch out at conferences then :) | 08:34 |
| ogra | herve, we talked about running out of space with xfs... which is the nly issue i know about xfs... | 08:34 |
| slomo | hmm is someone working on that? | 08:35 |
| jan1 | or use reiser over nfs on a server 11 meters away :) | 08:35 |
| herve | when fsck happened, files were just deleted, not moved to any lost+found or consistent state | 08:35 |
| ogra | herve, xfs is great if you know it good enough... i ran a 3TB san array with it in '98 it was the fastest in town... but the mallest files on there were about 600MB | 08:35 |
| jan1 | I found it both fast and lossless, but YMMV of course | 08:35 |
| herve | yes, probably not suited to my needs | 08:36 |
| ivoks | well... see you guys | 08:36 |
| herve | bye ivoks | 08:36 |
| ivoks | i'm off to beach | 08:36 |
| herve | enjoy your days :-) | 08:36 |
| herve | you lucky | 08:36 |
| ogra | i have seen companys going down the drain because of missing backups and reiserfs | 08:36 |
| ivoks | herve i'll try (i don't know how i'll manage that cause ogra just gave me a slap :) | 08:36 |
| ogra | hans sells stuff as stable thats far from that | 08:36 |
| jan1 | I never managed servers, but for workstation use it's cool IMO | 08:37 |
| herve | yes, like the editor of the crap I fight with everyday... | 08:37 |
| ivoks | all my servers are on XFS | 08:37 |
| === siretart loves ext3. stable, tested, rocking. | ||
| ogra | jan1, yes, if you dont have valuable data on thm | 08:37 |
| jan1 | I don't :) | 08:37 |
| ogra | i really hate reisers rubbish | 08:37 |
| ivoks | 4TB server too :) | 08:37 |
| ogra | siretart++ | 08:37 |
| ivoks | ogra i agree | 08:37 |
| ivoks | well... off i go | 08:38 |
| ogra | herve, nothing was deleted... did youtry xfsrestore ? | 08:38 |
| herve | ok, I admit, I read quite no doc | 08:39 |
| herve | I expect it to work out of the box | 08:39 |
| herve | like ext3 doe | 08:39 |
| herve | s | 08:39 |
| ogra | herve, if you know the tools and use them, xfs will never leave you alone :) | 08:39 |
| ogra | or break... | 08:39 |
| ogra | but having xfs on small disks that run out of space every now and then is a PITA... | 08:40 |
| herve | sure thing I'm supposed to know the tools I use | 08:40 |
| herve | anyway, ext3 is more suited for ws and laptops | 08:40 |
| ogra | yup... | 08:41 |
| ogra | has anyone experience with jfs ? i never used it | 08:41 |
| \sh | I'm running xfs now on the lap | 08:41 |
| \sh | reiserfs on the usb hd | 08:41 |
| ogra | \sh, btw, if you only want main upload rights for KDE i wont vote for you ! at least one gnome related package every release must happen too... :) | 08:42 |
| \sh | ogra: now look what u did | 08:44 |
| jan1 | ogra, there are some blog entries by john goerzen (he's on planet debian) regarding jfs among other fs-s IIRC | 08:44 |
| ogra | not a "nice to have" | 08:44 |
| ogra | its a "must!!" | 08:45 |
| herve | I'm pretty sure to find the same on reiserfs :-) | 08:45 |
| \sh | ogra: am I allowed to quote u? | 08:45 |
| ogra | sure :) | 08:45 |
| ogra | and i said "gnome related" dont mess with seb128 ;) | 08:46 |
| \sh | ogra: please check and black out some things u don't want to see | 08:46 |
| ogra | thats ok :) | 08:47 |
| \sh | the TB will kill me | 08:47 |
| bddebian | How soon is meeting and should I come? | 08:47 |
| \sh | and sabdfl will send me a brazil shemale | 08:47 |
| ogra | heh... dont worry | 08:47 |
| bddebian | \sh: ;-) | 08:47 |
| ogra | ahahhahha | 08:47 |
| ogra | bddebian, why not | 08:47 |
| bddebian | ogra: Dunno | 08:48 |
| ogra | Unfrgiven, coud you remove yourself from the MaintainerCandidates page please | 08:48 |
| siretart | woah, I accidentally turned off the powersupply in my office | 08:49 |
| bddebian | heh | 08:49 |
| siretart | furtunatly I'm working on a sunray and laptop :) | 08:49 |
| slomo | siretart: lol... how has this happened? :) | 08:49 |
| siretart | I kicked the junction box :/ | 08:50 |
| \sh | slomo: u sure liberis is c++? | 08:50 |
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| slomo | \sh: it's coded in c++ if that is what you want to know ;) and it's currently not installable because of libraries it depends on which were renamed because of cxxtransition | 08:52 |
| \sh | *grmpf* | 08:52 |
| \sh | i did it by myself *lol* | 08:52 |
| \sh | *shakeshishead* | 08:53 |
| jan1 | ogra, I saw edubuntu-meta is a new package unrelated to ubuntu-meta. Isn't it annoying to keep them in sync, I mean the update scripts? I remember lokking a while back at kubuntu-meta and ubuntu-meta and there were slight inconsistencies which were from time to time eliminated | 08:54 |
| slomo | \sh: one of this libraries is libatlas which you finally fixed today ;) | 08:54 |
| \sh | yeah | 08:54 |
| \sh | and liberis i did as well | 08:54 |
| jan1 | I am wondering what the cleanest way to do a xubuntu-meta be (based on xfce4) | 08:54 |
| \sh | *shrugs* | 08:54 |
| ogra | jan1, they are completely separate distros | 08:55 |
| jan1 | I mean from code-reuse perspective | 08:55 |
| jan1 | that's all done, now?All you do is modify the seed description? | 08:55 |
| jan1 | when soemthing goes into ubuntu-minimal or standard is it automatically picked up? | 08:56 |
| herve | grrr those money problems... | 08:56 |
| ogra | jan1, since i use these metapackages unmodified, yes | 08:57 |
| \sh | slomo: for u it build properly only installing the deb was the problem? | 08:57 |
| jan1 | ogra, hanks | 08:57 |
| ogra | the only diferent ones are -server and -desktop | 08:58 |
| slomo | \sh: yes... installing was the problem because of this weird dh_makeshlibs hack... the now built versions should have correct dependencies | 08:58 |
| ogra | -server installs a complete classroom ltsp environment... -desktop is the desktop with edu apps | 08:59 |
| \sh | slomo: will try in chroot..mom | 09:00 |
| \sh | slomo: works..uploading | 09:04 |
| slomo | \sh: thanks :) | 09:04 |
| \sh | slomo: np | 09:04 |
| \sh | can it be that kimbada a bad package is? | 09:13 |
| herve | I'll merge the python packages | 09:16 |
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| ogra | hola dholbach | 09:17 |
| dholbach | hellas | 09:17 |
| dholbach | :-D | 09:17 |
| dholbach | how are you all? | 09:17 |
| slomo | hi dholbach :) | 09:17 |
| dholbach | hey slomo :) | 09:18 |
| herve | daniel!!! | 09:18 |
| \sh | DHOLBACH :) | 09:19 |
| dholbach | WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO! :) | 09:19 |
| === \sh throws a cup of coffee to Daniel :) | ||
| === dholbach already has one :) | ||
| herve | hey, don't burn him! | 09:20 |
| \sh | well...beer has to wait until u r in berlin ;-) | 09:20 |
| dholbach | herve: how are you? :) | 09:20 |
| herve | globally fine :-) | 09:20 |
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| dholbach | and locally? | 09:21 |
| herve | not a good day | 09:21 |
| dholbach | what went wrong? | 09:22 |
| herve | ho the same things we discuss often | 09:23 |
| herve | girls, money, job :) | 09:23 |
| \sh | oh..same applies to me..but remove girls ,-) | 09:24 |
| slomo | and same for me... when you remove job ;) | 09:24 |
| === \sh will order a "realdoll.com" at a later time ,-) | ||
| dholbach | herve: i can imagine | 09:24 |
| siretart | hi dholbach | 09:24 |
| dholbach | siretart: hey reinhard, how's it going? | 09:24 |
| siretart | still in the office | 09:24 |
| siretart | want to go home :/ | 09:25 |
| dholbach | :-( | 09:25 |
| dholbach | siretart: who do i have to talk to, to make them let you? | 09:25 |
| siretart | hehe. I'm alone here :)) | 09:25 |
| siretart | dholbach: did svenl answer you? | 09:25 |
| dholbach | then go :) | 09:25 |
| ogra | siretart, haha | 09:26 |
| siretart | i know ;) | 09:26 |
| dholbach | siretart: sven luther on utnubu-list? i answered him today | 09:26 |
| ogra | siretart, answer is a really friendly word | 09:26 |
| dholbach | ogra: you know how much i appreciate friendly people | 09:27 |
| siretart | yeah, I also consider his signature ( that line with 'friendly' ) rather sarcastic | 09:27 |
| ogra | heh | 09:27 |
| \sh | what is with svenl? he was the debian release maintainer working for those pegasos guys, right? | 09:27 |
| ogra | hehe | 09:28 |
| ogra | \sh, you dont want to have to do anything with him | 09:28 |
| siretart | he is.. let's say it in a nice way, a quite difficult person.. | 09:28 |
| ogra | belive me | 09:28 |
| herve | last time I heard about him, he was on #u-d | 09:28 |
| ogra | siretart, youre to polite... really | 09:28 |
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| dholbach | that's the good thing about life... things can improve :) | 09:29 |
| herve | and the debate was described as "fight" | 09:29 |
| \sh | ogra: u introduced him last time..and I was begging for a pegasos machine ,-> | 09:29 |
| ogra | dholbach, in case of svenl i doubt that | 09:29 |
| ogra | \sh, thast svenl if he has a real good day and feels nice and polite facing other people: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/utnubu-discuss/2005-July/000019.html | 09:30 |
| ogra | \sh, look at the reply ;) | 09:31 |
| siretart | ok, /me home, want to catch the tb meeting.. cu | 09:31 |
| \sh | ugh | 09:31 |
| bddebian | Hey, I want a Pegasos machine!! :-) | 09:33 |
| \sh | forget it | 09:33 |
| \sh | only gentoo guys will get some ,-> | 09:33 |
| slomo | bddebian: me too ;) | 09:33 |
| \sh | ogra: now u know, why I don't want to mess around with 'hardcoded' people | 09:34 |
| ogra | heh | 09:34 |
| bddebian | :'-( \sh :-) | 09:35 |
| Burgundavia | dholbach, welcome back | 09:37 |
| \sh | bddebian: it's easier to get them from ebay | 09:37 |
| dholbach | hey Burgundavia, nice to see you too | 09:37 |
| bddebian | \sh: Aye | 09:37 |
| Burgundavia | dholbach, you had school, no? | 09:38 |
| dholbach | Burgundavia: i'm still busy with my thesis and i'll have to hand it in in 3,5 weeks | 09:38 |
| \sh | u won't believe it...I'm patching now a 10MB source | 09:39 |
| \sh | gzipped | 09:39 |
| Burgundavia | dholbach, good luck | 09:39 |
| dholbach | thank you :) | 09:39 |
| slomo | \sh: good look :) when you have time look at ace... 24 mb gzipped sources ;) | 09:39 |
| \sh | actually it's only a couple of bytes... | 09:39 |
| \sh | slomo: I gave up with ace | 09:39 |
| \sh | the latest upstream release should work with gcc4 | 09:40 |
| \sh | slomo: cxx transition ,-) | 09:40 |
| slomo | \sh: fine... that was also my proposed fix... and even the debian guys think the same ;) | 09:40 |
| \sh | slomo: but the rules file is a mess^10 | 09:41 |
| \sh | u have to patch everything from the beginning, i had problems with finding qmake etc. | 09:41 |
| herve | \sh, the same with hydrogen yesterday | 09:42 |
| \sh | herve: no...better...it didn't comply to the standard qt build rules...didn't get the QTDIR correctly etc. only my tries to build latest ace :( | 09:44 |
| \sh | slomo: but I think u will manage it :) | 09:45 |
| herve | \sh, mine too | 09:45 |
| herve | ok, let's move to the python standards | 09:46 |
| herve | here I am comfortable :() | 09:46 |
| slomo | \sh: what? ace? i don't think so ;) i would wait until the new upstream release is in debian... that would be too much to patch | 09:46 |
| \sh | slomo: when it will be finished? etch+1 ? ,-) | 09:47 |
| slomo | \sh: no idea... hopefully sometime soon before breezy release ;) otherwise i can try to hack a package around the new version together... | 09:48 |
| slomo | btw... while we're at new versions ;) can someone look at http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=166 ? | 09:52 |
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| dholbach | tritium: michael! how's it going? | 10:00 |
| tritium | Hey dholbach :) | 10:00 |
| tritium | I'm doing well, thanks. How are you? | 10:00 |
| dholbach | a bit tired, but i'm fine - thanks :) | 10:00 |
| tritium | It's great to see you! | 10:00 |
| bddebian | Heya tritium | 10:01 |
| tritium | hey there bddebian | 10:01 |
| jan1 | meeting started | 10:02 |
| \sh | meeting time | 10:02 |
| dholbach | it's nice to see you all too - in one month i'll have more time again, to hang out with you too :) | 10:02 |
| jan1 | me too :) | 10:02 |
| tritium | yay! | 10:02 |
| \sh | dholbach: u r attending TB? yes, come on ,) | 10:03 |
| dholbach | sh: absolutely - i'm already there | 10:04 |
| \sh | oh :) | 10:04 |
| siretart | hi folks | 10:06 |
| sistpoty | hi siretart | 10:06 |
| siretart | huhu sistpoty :) | 10:07 |
| \sh | hmmm...fixed kimbada | 10:08 |
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| Mez | o_O | 10:39 |
| Mez | I jsut said to my gf | 10:39 |
| Mez | #you cna call me adam now | 10:39 |
| Mez | and she said waht | 10:39 |
| Mez | I said MOTU | 10:40 |
| Mez | she said | 10:40 |
| Mez | oh *drools* he-man | 10:40 |
| Mez | grr | 10:40 |
| sistpoty | hrhr | 10:40 |
| dholbach | :-) | 10:40 |
| slomo | lol | 10:40 |
| herve | hello jbailey | 10:40 |
| dholbach | jbailey: hi jeff :) | 10:41 |
| Mez | lol, and she's gonna be in #ubuntu soon :D | 10:41 |
| jbailey | Hi. =) | 10:43 |
| bddebian | Mez: :-) | 10:43 |
| bddebian | Heya jbailey | 10:43 |
| opi | re after long time without network access :-) | 10:43 |
| Mez | and thats her | 10:46 |
| Mez | Emly | 10:46 |
| ajmitch | morning | 10:51 |
| === ajmitch is missing a meeting again :( | ||
| dholbach | ajmitch: hey andrew :) | 10:52 |
| siretart | hi ajmitch | 10:53 |
| herve | morning ajmitch | 10:53 |
| ajmitch | hi | 10:54 |
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| herve | is it really necessary to force debhelper >= 4.2.28 if we want Python 2.4? | 11:05 |
| dholbach | it's for a rocking dh_python, i recall | 11:07 |
| ajmitch | 4.2.28 says 'Add 2.4 to python_allversions' | 11:07 |
| ajmitch | so if you don't use that version or higher, it complains | 11:08 |
| herve | what complains? | 11:08 |
| ajmitch | dh_python | 11:11 |
| === ajmitch wonders if he should ever apply for main upload rights :) | ||
| herve | but the package remains 100% usable? | 11:11 |
| herve | I'd really like to drop two ubuntu versions :-) | 11:11 |
| ajmitch | ? | 11:12 |
| ajmitch | it only really matter for backports now, I think | 11:12 |
| ajmitch | since a newer debhelper is in sid | 11:13 |
| herve | yes, me fool | 11:13 |
| herve | we DO have debhelper >= 4.2.28 in breezy | 11:13 |
| herve | yoohoo! | 11:13 |
| ajmitch | of course.. | 11:13 |
| ajmitch | if we didn't, then there'd be no point having that build-dep :) | 11:14 |
| ajmitch | 4.2.28 went into hoary as well | 11:14 |
| herve | sometimes I just follow the rules too much -:) | 11:14 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 11:14 |
| ajmitch | so backporting to sarge would be the only one to lookout for :) | 11:15 |
| ajmitch | or warty, if you're desperate | 11:15 |
| === ajmitch must go off to work, will bbiab | ||
| dholbach | that was an awesome meeting - thanks to all of you who were involved so much! | 11:15 |
| herve | yeah, backporting in a word ;-) | 11:15 |
| dholbach | LET'S MAKE BREEZY UNIVERSE ROCK! | 11:15 |
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| ajmitch | dholbach: how much longer on your thesis? | 11:16 |
| ajmitch | if we have \sh & dholbach, there won't be any work left for the rest of us ;) | 11:16 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: i'll be out of trouble (thesis handed in, project done with my dad, moved, ...) in early september | 11:16 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: don't worry :) | 11:16 |
| === ajmitch will just have to sit back & relax then... :) | ||
| lamont | siretart: is it just the normal ghc6 circular-dep-wait-from-hell issue? | 11:17 |
| === bddebian doesn't comment on ajmitch | ||
| ajmitch | bddebian: a good thing, too | 11:17 |
| siretart | lamont: more or less, yes | 11:17 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: :-) | 11:17 |
| siretart | lamont: we tried working around that, but didn't succeed | 11:17 |
| herve | ok, 4 packages less to merge! | 11:18 |
| herve | night all | 11:18 |
| dholbach | herve: super! thank you! | 11:18 |
| dholbach | herve: sleep tight | 11:18 |
| tritium | night herve :) | 11:18 |
| \sh | thx herve and good night :) | 11:18 |
| ogra | nigh herve and thanks :) | 11:18 |
| bddebian | Later her | 11:18 |
| bddebian | herve even | 11:18 |
| herve | argh! I lost the fourth one! | 11:18 |
| bddebian | Damn tab completion | 11:18 |
| jan1 | night all | 11:18 |
| ajmitch | herve: zope-* ? | 11:19 |
| herve | hehe, thanks all | 11:19 |
| \sh | I need a towl now... | 11:19 |
| herve | ajmitch, I did two today, too, yes | 11:19 |
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| ajmitch | herve: which ones? I forgot to take a couple on the list that I worked on | 11:19 |
| siretart | lamont: the problem is that libgmp3 is not available in breezy anymore, it was transitioned to libgmp3c2, so ghc6 is not installable anymore | 11:20 |
| lamont | siretart: right. bludgeon as needed. got it. | 11:20 |
| comadreja | hello again ! | 11:20 |
| comadreja | back home | 11:20 |
| bddebian | ANd haskel-utils build-deps ghc6 and ghc6 depends haskel-utils right? | 11:20 |
| bddebian | Heya comadreja | 11:20 |
| sistpoty | yep, | 11:20 |
| herve | ok, got back the fab fourth -:) | 11:20 |
| comadreja | congratulations to all new motus :D | 11:20 |
| lamont | siretart: "sometime this week" fit within your needs? | 11:20 |
| siretart | lamont: sure | 11:21 |
| === tritium congratulates all the new MOTUs | ||
| sistpoty | but haskell-utils should build with slightly modified build-deps (alternate dependency problem) | 11:21 |
| herve | who are the new motus? | 11:21 |
| \sh | comadreja , slomo, madduck, nafallo | 11:21 |
| sistpoty | yeah, congrats to you | 11:22 |
| herve | martin? you wouldn't have hesitated long ;() | 11:22 |
| Nafallo | wee! :-D | 11:22 |
| herve | congrats Nafallo and others | 11:22 |
| \sh | hmmm... | 11:22 |
| Nafallo | \sh: hmmm...? | 11:22 |
| Nafallo | \sh: packaging jabberd for main? ;-) | 11:23 |
| Nafallo | (1) | 11:23 |
| bddebian | Yeah congrats Nafallo, SloMo_, madduck, and comadreja!!! | 11:23 |
| tritium | dholbach, when you finish we need to have a celebration :) | 11:23 |
| \sh | Nafallo: actually ejabberd is much more stable then jabberd2 | 11:23 |
| dholbach | tritium: absolutely :) | 11:23 |
| herve | ajmitch, that was zope-stripogram and zope-rdfgrabber, the last ones if I reacll | 11:23 |
| \sh | but I can try to fix X now ,-) | 11:23 |
| tritium | :) | 11:23 |
| herve | try is the word :-) | 11:24 |
| Nafallo | \sh: hahaha. | 11:24 |
| Nafallo | \sh: ejabberd for main then :-) | 11:24 |
| \sh | Nafallo: breezy +1 :) | 11:24 |
| Nafallo | \sh: atleast for breezy+1 if jabberd2 haven't settled down :-) | 11:24 |
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| herve | Here I go | 11:25 |
| SloMo_ | \sh: when you fix X you're my hero ;) | 11:25 |
| herve | hi and bye DanielN :-) | 11:25 |
| herve | see you all later | 11:25 |
| \sh | SloMo_: no ways..I don't like flying around in pyjamas ,-) | 11:25 |
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| comadreja | how do we get now the upload rights btw ? | 11:26 |
| dholbach | wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads knows | 11:27 |
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| comadreja | cool, thanks :) | 11:27 |
| comadreja | brb | 11:28 |
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| Nafallo | I was finished with the mails before the meeting was over :-) | 11:29 |
| Nafallo | actually uploads@ was sent before the weekend ;-) | 11:29 |
| tritium | Good evening, everyone. | 11:31 |
| \sh | hey tritium | 11:31 |
| bddebian | Heya tritium | 11:32 |
| DanielN | hi bddebian, hi \sh ! | 11:32 |
| bddebian | Heya DanielN | 11:32 |
| === tritium rephrases: good night, all! :) | ||
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| \sh | hey DanielN | 11:37 |
| DanielN | :) | 11:38 |
| ajmitch | how's the merge list looking now? | 11:38 |
| bddebian | Long :-) | 11:38 |
| dholbach | good night everybody :) | 11:38 |
| ajmitch | very useful, bddebian | 11:38 |
| ajmitch | night dholbach | 11:38 |
| bddebian | Gnight dholbach | 11:38 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: That's me :-) | 11:39 |
| ajmitch | :P | 11:39 |
| dholbach | night you two :) | 11:39 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Down to 89 and some I have already tagged as pendingupload | 11:39 |
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| bddebian | Didn't I already do that? | 11:41 |
| ajmitch | you set it as pending & left a comment there | 11:41 |
| \sh | ajmitch can upload :) | 11:41 |
| ajmitch | but someone still has to do the upload | 11:41 |
| bddebian | Oh, sorry | 11:41 |
| ajmitch | and it's an app that I use :) | 11:44 |
| bddebian | Ah, nice | 11:44 |
| === bddebian hopes it builds | ||
| ajmitch | it ought do | 11:45 |
| bddebian | :-) | 11:45 |
| ajmitch | since looking at the ubuntu diff, there are minimal changes | 11:45 |
| ajmitch | they can probably all be dropped, in fact | 11:45 |
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| ajmitch | yeah, might be to good to drop them all | 11:46 |
| bddebian | Didn't believe me eh? :-) | 11:47 |
| siretart | Mez: are backports from archive.u.c. working yet? | 11:47 |
| Mez | the ones that are in the archive, yes | 11:47 |
| bddebian | OK, I gotta head home. Later folks. I'll try to hit a few more merges tonight | 11:47 |
| siretart | Mez: how do you add packages to be backported? | 11:47 |
| Mez | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/hoary-backports.all.i386 | 11:47 |
| Mez | siretart, I poke elmo | 11:48 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: I've got to review anything you put up, remember :) | 11:48 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Aye :-) | 11:48 |
| dholbach | bddebian: thanks for that :) | 11:48 |
| bddebian | dholbach: For what? | 11:48 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: i was doing some reviews as well :) | 11:48 |
| === ajmitch grabs snacc, just for fun | ||
| dholbach | bddebian: being involved like that | 11:48 |
| bddebian | dholbach: Oh, no problem. :-) | 11:48 |
| siretart | Mez: ah, I see. do you have a policy what will be/can be backported? what about main packages? | 11:48 |
| bddebian | Catch ya'll later. | 11:48 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: ok, anyway to make sure we don't grab & review the same? :) | 11:49 |
| ajmitch | apart from the timezone separation ;) | 11:50 |
| Seveas | Any motu up for correcting php4-gd2? | 11:50 |
| Seveas | sources are still available in archive.ubuntu.com | 11:50 |
| Seveas | but the package does not build because debian/rules isn't executable | 11:51 |
| ajmitch | Seveas: what's the problem? | 11:51 |
| ajmitch | ah | 11:51 |
| Seveas | that's the *only* compile-time problem | 11:51 |
| ajmitch | so far ;) | 11:51 |
| ajmitch | Mez: I didn't know you were allowed to backport things like mono? :) | 11:51 |
| Seveas | ajmitch, I just built the package :) | 11:52 |
| Seveas | it's the *only* problem :) | 11:52 |
| ajmitch | good | 11:52 |
| Mez | ajmitch | 11:52 |
| Mez | I dont | 11:52 |
| ajmitch | in what section is the package? | 11:52 |
| Seveas | universe | 11:52 |
| ajmitch | hmm | 11:52 |
| Seveas | otherwise I would not have talked to the MOTU | 11:52 |
| ajmitch | apt-get source isn't getting it for me | 11:52 |
| Seveas | true | 11:52 |
| ajmitch | Seveas: well we can care for multiverse as well | 11:53 |
| Seveas | but the files are still there on archive.ubuntu.com | 11:53 |
| ajmitch | php4-gd ? | 11:54 |
| ajmitch | or is it gd2? | 11:54 |
| Seveas | php4-gd installs fine | 11:54 |
| Seveas | php4-gd2 is the package i'm talking about | 11:55 |
| ajmitch | no idea why it's not showing in the sources list then? | 11:55 |
| ajmitch | Mez: you're not backporting mono stuff, but what are you asking about in #u-devel then? | 11:56 |
| Seveas | It shows up in lamont's buildlogs, last entry is from october | 11:56 |
| siretart | ok folks, I'm off for my bed | 11:56 |
| siretart | gn8 folks! | 11:56 |
| ajmitch | night siretart | 11:56 |
| Mez | ajmithc - what? | 11:56 |
| Mez | ajmitch, I'm just looking at a dep-wait on the backport buildds thats all | 11:57 |
| sistpoty | gn8 siretart | 11:57 |
| ajmitch | Mez: so someone else in the backports team is? | 11:57 |
| Mez | ajmitch: what package are you referring to | 11:57 |
| ajmitch | Mez: gtk-sharp-unstable & cli-common are both mono packages | 11:57 |
| Mez | they're part of mono? or depend on mono | 11:58 |
| dholbach | does anybody know, who anthony.mercatante@laposte.net is? | 11:58 |
| ajmitch | gtk-sharp2-unstable is C# bindings to gtk+ | 11:58 |
| Mez | see, I didnt know that | 11:58 |
| === Mez slaps himself | ||
| ajmitch | cli-common is a package that has scripts for building any mono package | 11:59 |
| chillywilly | bah | 11:59 |
| SloMo_ | hmm what's the problem with gtk-sharp2-unstable? | 11:59 |
| ajmitch | so someone was probably backporting beagle :) | 11:59 |
| SloMo_ | ajmitch: yes, we had beagle in the old backports ;) | 12:00 |
| SloMo_ | \sh: what was the package you uploaded today for me which failed on amd64? eris? | 12:01 |
| === sistpoty needs some sleep... gn8 folks | ||
| === sistpoty [~stefan@DSL01.212.114.237.5.NEFkom.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] | ||
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