[12:05] <\sh> ok...uploaded another patch for ire
[12:06] <herve> \sh... go to bed
[12:10] <\sh> finishing my cigarette
[12:11] <herve> this is really a poor excuse
[12:11] <herve> you shouldn't smoke
[12:11] <herve> you should have sex instead :-)
[12:12] <\sh> well...
[12:13] <\sh> you're right..I should order a "realdoll.com"?
[12:13] <herve> :-)
[12:29] <\sh> hahaha
[12:29] <\sh> i got it
[12:29] <herve> the doll?
[12:29] <ajmitch> ire builds on amd64?
[12:29] <Mez> you ordered the doll/
[12:30] <\sh> ajmitch: yes
[12:30] <\sh> yes
[12:30] <\sh> yes
[12:30] <herve> \sh...
[12:30] <\sh> *dancejump*
[12:30] <ajmitch> congrats :)
[12:30] <\sh> 6 tries ;)
[12:30] <ajmitch> the breezy-changes readers will love you for it :)
[12:30] <ajmitch> heh
[12:30] <ajmitch> that doesn't take long, thankfully
[12:30] <tseng> i thought i said some pretty silly stuff on breezy-changes
[12:30] <tseng> before daniels came along
[12:31] <ajmitch> herve: do you think we can get 2.8 in universe? :)
[12:31] <herve> or they wonder is "Stephan Hermann" is a team of crazy maintainers that never sllep!
[12:31] <herve> obviously
[12:31] <\sh> doing the patch dance...amd64 fixed?
[12:31] <tseng> imagine if dholbach and sh were around at the same time
[12:31] <tseng> vs. seb and doko
[12:31] <herve> do you volunteer? :-)
[12:31] <\sh> * You don't want to know it, another source fix for amd64
[12:31] <\sh> lol
[12:32] <ajmitch> herve: 2.8 & a 3.0 package are in sid
[12:32] <ajmitch> iirc
[12:32] <ajmitch> at least I saw the uploads on the pkg-zope-developers list
[12:32] <herve> haven't followed much
[12:32] <herve> I'm still to use 2.7
[12:32] <herve> no, wait
[12:32] <ajmitch> some people might welcome 3
[12:32] <herve> today I just dream of dropping zope!
[12:33] <herve> I find zope3 in unstable but not zope2.8
[12:33] <ajmitch> ok
[12:33] <ajmitch> might still be in NEW
[12:33] <herve> or in Fabio's repository
[12:33] <herve> (Fabio?)
[12:33] <ajmitch> nah, the mails said it was NEW
[12:34] <ajmitch> ok july 14th
[12:34] <herve> so many things to remember :-)
[12:35] <ajmitch> ftp-master is still down
[12:36] <ajmitch> iirc fabio got the google SoC bounty for zope packaging
[12:36] <ajmitch> but I haven't seen him round ubuntu channels
[12:37] <herve> didn't know that
[12:37] <ajmitch> yeah, I saw it on the BreezyBounties page
[12:38] <ajmitch> ok udu.wiki
[12:38] <ajmitch> s/ok/on/
[12:39] <ajmitch> besides, #pkg-zope is so dead most of the time :)
[12:39] <herve> ha right
[12:40] <herve> I should remember to join it :-)
[12:40] <ajmitch> :)
[12:46] <\sh> time to go to bed, part 2
[12:47] <\sh> cu later dudes
[12:47] <SloMo_> gn8 \sh_away :)
[12:51] <Mez> ok to put MOM stuff in revu seeing as I dont have upload access?
[12:51] <Mez> and link to it as pending upload?
[12:53] <SloMo_> Mez: for mom stuff just add a debdiff to the bugreport and link it at MOTUToMerge... why do you want to put it in revu?
[12:54] <SloMo_> debdiff oldversion.dsc newversion.dsc
[12:54] <SloMo_> or just do diff -Naur oldversiondirectory newversiondirectory
[12:54] <Mez> erm
[12:54] <Mez> what if I'm not increasing version number?
[12:54] <Mez> or should the debdiff be from the current package in Ubuntu?
[12:55] <SloMo_> then just do the second... the diff should be against the mom-merged version afaik
[12:55] <Mez> there's no old version and no new version
[12:55] <Mez> I just changed the mom-merged slightly
[12:56] <Mez> I shouldnt have to increase the version number should i?
[12:56] <SloMo_> no... but as oldversiondirectory just take the plain mom-merged version
[01:02] <Mez> so it should be against the mom-merged version?
[01:04] <SloMo_> yes
[01:05] <Mez> SloMo_, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11175 look any good?
[01:06] <SloMo_> looks ok :)
[01:21] <herve> night!
[01:35] <pete> are one supposed to set the merge-bug status to pending after supplying a patch?
[01:36] <SloMo_> pete: afaik yes
[01:37] <Mez> yes
[01:38] <pete> hmm.. how do one do that?
[01:53] <pete> is there supposed to be a dropdown menu to the right of "Status:" on bugzilla?
[01:58] <SloMo_> nope... you can select the new status over the commit button and under the comment entry field
[02:03] <pete> I only have "Leave as NEW"
[02:03] <SloMo_> do you have editbug rights?
[02:03] <pete> probably not then
[02:03] <SloMo_> hmm ask ogra about that ;)
[02:04] <pete> am I supposed to have editbug rights?
[02:06] <SloMo_> no idea ;) ask ogra
[02:31] <bddebian> Ahh, to work on more merge stuff or my "real" job... :-(
[02:32] <SloMo_> bddebian: what about both? :)
[02:32] <bddebian> Work's VPN jacks up my local network :-(
[02:33] <bddebian> SloMo_: And you are becoming a slave driver.. ;-)
[02:48] <SloMo_> hmm, i'll go to sleep ;) gn8 all :)
[03:02] <ajmitch> bddebian: doing both can be good :)
[03:17] <bddebian> ajmitch: I can't wrap my mind around MS products and Free Software at the same time ;-P
[03:17] <ajmitch> heh
[03:18] <bddebian> Aye, that's how I'm VPN'd in to the office right now. :-(
[03:41] <bddebian> Fsck I hate my job.. :'-(
[03:41] <schweeb_> bddebian: cisco vpn?
[03:41] <schweeb_> vpnc works great in linux
[03:42] <schweeb_> and if you modify the vpnc-connect script, it won't steal your default route
[03:43] <bddebian> schweeb_: Aye, Cisco
[03:43] <bddebian> schweeb_: Yeah but it might be tough to get Remote Desktop on GNU/Linux ;-)
[03:44] <schweeb_> no
[03:44] <schweeb_> not at all
[03:44] <schweeb_> there's tsclient
[03:45] <schweeb_> I'm using it right now
[03:45] <bddebian> Really
[03:45] <bddebian> Hmm
[03:46] <schweeb_> bddebian: go to Applications>Internet>Terminal Server Client
[03:46] <schweeb_> it does VNC, RDP (rdesktop), and probably some other stuff
[03:46] <bddebian> Wow
[03:46] <schweeb_> looks like they eventually plan Citrix support
[04:05] <tritium> strange new nick...hmm...sudo /etc/init.d/ogra_d restart
[04:06] <tritium> ::)
[04:06] <bddebian> hehe
[04:36] <crimsun> There must be some cosmic plot to thwart me. First there's a tornado watch that drives me into the basement for an hour. After that, torrential downpour. When the rain lets up a bit, I run across the street to Target to buy an umbrella. So of course it only makes sense that when I step outside Target, it's sunny.
[04:37] <ajmitch> plenty of packages in the latest upgrade round, most of them probably by \sh
[04:38] <bddebian> :-)
[04:51] <Tonio> hello
[04:51] <Tonio> having a little question packagind an app...
[04:51] <Tonio> the code is released as stable but contains a CVS folder in "admin"
[04:51] <bddebian> Tonio: Hello.  I don't know much but shoot and I'll try
[04:52] <bddebian> Tonio: Remove all CVS folders so lintian won't complain :-)
[04:52] <Tonio> and doesn't compile if I remove this...
[04:52] <Tonio> yes
[04:52] <Tonio> but if I remove this the code doesn't compile ;)
[04:52] <ajmitch> do you know why it doesn't compile?
[04:52] <Tonio> here is the issue
[04:52] <bddebian> Ahh
[04:52] <Tonio> because it doesn't find the cvs folder
[04:52] <Tonio> that's what is said....
[04:52] <ajmitch> because a CVS dir ought to be just metadata
[04:52] <ajmitch> that is slightly crazy :)
[04:52] <Tonio> supposed I know... but here is a specific case...
[04:53] <Tonio> yes, but that's it
[04:53] <ajmitch> you could patch the makefiles such that it doesn't break
[04:53] <Tonio> I'll try yes ;)
[04:54] <Tonio> already compiled 8 apps, I'm okay know... thank's to all of you for your help
[04:55] <ajmitch> sounds like it's going well then :)
[04:55] <Tonio> another question, do I have to add autoconf to deps if this is required by configure script ?
[04:55] <quad> blah, this no internet bug in breezy is killing me!
[04:57] <ajmitch> no internet bug?
[04:59] <quad> my dhclient fails to get an ip
[04:59] <quad> seems similar to: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51242
[04:59] <quad> but i can't get a static ip
[05:00] <bddebian> Tonio: These are all new packages?
[05:01] <Tonio> yes
[05:01] <Tonio> I have about 20 to finish
[05:02] <bddebian> Wow
[05:02] <Tonio> I'm looking kde-apps for very popular and well noted apps that actually forgot, like klibido, kompos, ksystemlok etc...
[05:02] <Tonio> ksystemlog excuse me
[05:02] <bddebian> Nice
[05:03] <ajmitch> great, have you been talking with riddell & the others in the kubuntu team?
[05:03] <Tonio> I found using kubuntu that the kde apps where no as present than gnome, and felt it was necessary to contribute, even thew I didn't knew anything about packaging...
[05:03] <Tonio> yes
[05:04] <ajmitch> ah good :)
[05:04] <quad> ajmitch: you know anything about my bug? any suggestions
[05:04] <Tonio> in fact I started building a little repo and riddel came to me asking why didn't I do this directly fur the ubuntu breezy, which was a very good idea in fact ^^
[05:05] <ajmitch> quad: no, I don't sorry
[05:07] <quad> :(
[06:10] <Tonio> after 5 hours trying to understand everything lintian doesn't like, seeing this is a REAL pleasure ;)
[06:10] <Tonio> tonio@Totoland:~/Datas/Informatique/Kubunbu_Repository/katalog/katalog-0.3$ lintian ../*.dsc
[06:10] <Tonio> tonio@Totoland:~/Datas/Informatique/Kubunbu_Repository/katalog/katalog-0.3$
[06:10] <bddebian> :-)
[06:10] <bddebian> You know you didn't have to fix the NMU errors right? :-)
[06:11] <Tonio> no
[06:11] <Tonio> but I don't understand why lol
[06:12] <Tonio> I didn't do anything concerning this.... I should have been very inspired for a few minutes, but I don't remember what has changed on that point....
[06:29] <schweeb_> NMU = non maintainer upload
[06:29] <schweeb_> which is correct, if you're doing the uploading :p
[07:13] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:13] <tritium> good night, bddebian
[10:23] <\sh> morning
[10:24] <ajmitch> hey \sh
[10:24] <ajmitch> ready for another round of merges? ;)
[10:25] <\sh> hehe...first I have to do my job here ;)
[10:25] <\sh> let me ceck my tickets here, and when I resolve them...sure :)
[10:26] <sivang> \sh: what sort of tickets? :)
[10:26] <\sh> sivang: digital tv stuff
[10:26] <sivang> \sh: oh goody, I bet it's interesting no?
[10:26] <\sh> sivang: hehe..well..sometimes yes, sometimes no...most of the time routine
[10:28] <ajmitch> so somehow I got on the laptop testing team, now I have to find a fax machine
[10:28] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, did you sign up?
[10:28] <\sh> ajmitch: lucky one u :)
[10:29] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, as I got signed up
[10:29] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: well I got sent the email, without being on the wiki page
[10:29] <ajmitch> so I don't know :)
[10:29] <Treenaks> I got sent the mail, and I /am/ on there
[10:29] <sivang> ajmitch: cool for you :)
[10:30] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, as did I. I think they are rewarding some of people who didn't sign up and are useful
[10:30] <sivang> ajmitch: someone told me they tracked active people in the mailing lists etc..
[10:30] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: quite possibly
[10:30] <sivang> Burgundavia: exactly
[10:30] <\sh> oh then it's clear ,-)
[10:30] <\sh> I'm not active on the ML...don't have time for this
[10:30] <ajmitch> \sh: they'll track breezy-changes ;)
[10:30] <Burgundavia> but you are active in package uploading
[10:30] <\sh> lol
[10:31] <ajmitch> it got sent to the address I use for uploads
[10:31] <ajmitch> well, sent to matthew garrett actually :)
[10:31] <\sh> they're scared that I use the laptop for package building
[10:31] <Burgundavia> yes, that was odd
[10:31] <ajmitch> maybe they saw my laptop at UDU & felt sorry for me ;)
[10:32] <Burgundavia> ouch
[10:32] <ajmitch> p2-400 :)
[10:32] <Burgundavia> I had my fathers old panasonic toughbook from 1998
[10:32] <Burgundavia> I beat you
[10:32] <ajmitch> I never build packages on that clunker, unless it's needed
[10:33] <\sh> I only have this nc6000 from my company..so I'm using it ,-)
[10:34] <ajmitch> :)
[10:34] <\sh> my desktops are at my exwifes place..to be used by my son...
[10:34] <ajmitch> ah..
[10:34] <\sh> one moment pls...work is calling ,-)
[01:22] <ajmitch> yay, got powerpc system setup (with hoary for now)
[01:58] <\sh> Mithrandir: ping
[01:59] <Mithrandir> \sh: yes?
[01:59] <\sh> Mithrandir: I send u my ssh key for ravel...
[02:00] <\sh> (my new one :()
[02:01] <Mithrandir> you have?
[02:02] <\sh> I'll send it 3 mins ago :)
[02:03] <\sh> to your canonical address
[02:03] <\sh> msgid <200507261358.31686.sh@sourcecode.de>
[02:16] <Mez> hmm
[02:16] <Mez> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/debtags-edit/
[02:16] <Mez> why no orig.tar.gz ?
[02:20] <slomo> Mez: because it's a native package... but seems like the ubuntu changes (just rebuilds) can be dropped with this package so no need to worry ;)
[02:41] <Amaranth> Mez: Just the man I've been looking for. :)
[02:41] <Mez> what have I done now
[02:41] <Amaranth> Mez|Hidingfrom: Any reason why firefox is still in backports? It's not needed and may or may not be messing up upgrades.
[02:41] <Mez|Hiding> Amaranth - ah... yes - I shall pull
[02:42] <Mez|Hiding> hmm
[02:42] <Mez|Hiding> though thing is it'll caus eproblems cause BP has a higher version than Sec.
[02:42] <Mez|Hiding> as it's based off the breezy version
[02:42] <Amaranth> ?
[02:43] <Amaranth> err
[02:43] <Amaranth> Oh, ubuntu0.1
[02:43] <Amaranth> shit
[02:43] <Mez|Hiding> yeah
[02:44] <Amaranth> Well, supposedly jdong fixed the problems but we've had a couple users in #ubuntu with firefox and mozilla-firefox packages conflicting because they're trying to own the same files.
[02:44] <Mez> Amaranth, backports conflicts and bumps the mozilla-firefox version
[02:44] <Amaranth> oh, it Conflicts now?
[02:45] <Mez> ah shit
[02:45] <Mez> no
[02:45] <Mez> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ubp/sources/firefox-1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5.debian-rules
[02:45] <Mez> it should be Depends: mozilla-firefox (= ${Source-Version})
[02:46] <Mez> but, unless they're downloading the debs
[02:46] <Mez> instead of using the repository
[02:46] <Mez> then it shouldnt be a problem
[02:48] <Mez> Amaranth: do you see any problem with that control file?
[02:49] <Amaranth> 1.0.4?
[02:49] <Mez> that['s what we worked form
[02:49] <Mez> but, we obv changed for .6
[02:50] <Mez> but, in theory it shouldnt cause problems (and hasnt so far)
[02:50] <Mez> cause it "overrides"
[02:50] <Mez> mozilla-firefox
[02:50] <Amaranth> i'm not very good at all that crap
[02:50] <Mez> or should Itr be pre-depend
[02:50] <Amaranth> 'firefox' vs 'mozilla-firefox' and provides and etc are all a bit over my head still
[03:48] <\sh> slomo: ping
[03:48] <slomo> \sh: pong
[03:48] <\sh> slomo: imms ftbfsing on amd64
[03:49] <slomo> ok, i'll look at it :/
[03:52] <slomo> hmm... i need an amd64 machine around me ;)
[03:54] <slomo> hm, in which X library is XQueryPointer and XOpenDisplay located? and why does it work on every other architecture? ;)
[03:54] <\sh> apt-file ,-)
[03:55] <slomo> apt-file can search for library functions? ;)
[03:57] <\sh> normally u will have a manpage in lib*-dev packages for this function ,-)
[03:57] <\sh> slomo: and to your question...it's a secret...i can't tell you ,-)
[03:57] <slomo> \sh: the question regarding eris or this question? ;)
[03:58] <\sh> slomo: i will check it when I'm home...in the moment I'm also busy with my "normal work" here ==> has nothing to do with linux at all ;)
[03:58] <slomo> np :) maybe i've already solved this until then ;)
[03:59] <\sh> slomo: check CxxLibraryList if it's already transitioned...I don't know if this lib was a c++ lib
[04:00] <slomo> it is... and was fixed by you ;)
[04:01] <\sh> really? *shrug*
[04:03] <slomo> yep... on 31 may, at least that is what the changelog says
[04:10] <\sh> must be the truth
[04:11] <\sh> oh.../topic
[04:15] <slomo> \sh: these 2 functions are in -lX11 it seems...
[04:16] <slomo> now we need someone on amd64 to test it... hm :(
[04:19] <\sh> slomo: I'm w8 for mithrandir to reactivate my account on ravel :)
[04:19] <slomo> \sh: what does this do: dh_makeshlibs -plibatlas-cpp-0.5c2 -V 'libatlas-cpp-0.5' ?
[04:19] <\sh> jesus
[04:19] <\sh> damn
[04:20] <\sh> one moment dude
[04:20] <slomo> hehe ok
[04:22] <\sh> fix uploaded
[04:22] <\sh> txj
[04:23] <\sh> aeh thx
[04:23] <slomo> for libatlas-cpp? ok thanks :) when it's in the archives you can just upload the debdiff i sent you last night... and then i can fix sear ;)
[04:24] <\sh> for eris?
[04:24] <\sh> ok..this evening ;-)
[04:25] <slomo> hehe... hopefully libatlas-cpp is in the archives by then ;)
[04:25] <slomo> hm, you got the mail last night?
[04:26] <\sh> slomo: yes :)
[04:26] <slomo> ok fine :) hm, maybe i can upload this myself this evening ;)
[04:45] <Mez> siretart: ping
[04:45] <siretart> Mez: pong
[04:45] <siretart> Mez: poking in other's eyes is not nice..
[04:46] <Mez> it was a friendly poke in the eye
[04:46] <Mez> is there any other type?
[04:47] <siretart> ;)
[04:47] <siretart> thnx :)
[04:48] <ogra> oh, i muddled that :)
[05:00] <Mez> lol
[05:24] <bddebian> Morning
[05:25] <Nafallo> hehe, morning all :-)
[05:25] <bddebian> Heya Nafallo
[05:27] <Nafallo> hmm
[05:28] <Nafallo> meeting @ 00:00 UTC+2 *yawns*
[05:28] <bddebian> Meeting?
[05:28] <Nafallo> TB
[05:28] <bddebian> Ahh, not for us neophytes then :-)
[05:29] <Nafallo> aha! that's 22:00 UTC+2
[05:29] <Nafallo> nice
[05:30] <Nafallo> damn evolution translates the timezones for me :-P.
[05:39] <ogra> Nafallo, gworldclock ;)
[05:40] <Nafallo> ogra: baah. put a worldmap on it and I might consider it ;-)
[05:40] <ogra> pffft... all these gui addicted guys around here
[05:40] <Mithrandir> just switch your life to UTC and be happy
[05:40] <tseng> ogra: command line disintegration
[05:41] <ogra> heh
[05:41] <ogra> Mithrandir, depens where you live .... this will correlate with the happyness :)
[05:41] <Mithrandir> we should make zsh Essential: yes and make all user's shell be zsh
[05:43] <ogra> bah
[05:43] <ogra> <-- basher
[05:43] <tseng> i got pissed off having back/forward not work
[05:43] <tseng> im too lazy for zsh
[05:44] <tseng> $ echo $0
[05:44] <tseng> bash
[05:44] <Mithrandir> zsh is the peak of laziness.
[05:44] <tseng> love.
[05:44] <tseng> Mithrandir: dude, you have to config it
[05:44] <tseng> entirely too much work.
[05:44] <Mithrandir> nah, you just have to hold down tab and think about what you want to do
[05:45] <tseng> zcomp esp?
[05:45] <tseng> i guess ESP doesnt translate
[05:45] <slomo> does zsh already support utf8? it doesn't last time i used it...
[05:45] <tseng> psychic
[05:46] <Mithrandir> slomo: not too well, no :-/
[05:46] <Mithrandir> tseng: yeah, it's psychic
[05:47] <slomo> well this was the first reason why i stayed with bash ;)
[05:48] <\sh> ah Mithrandir
[05:54] <\sh> ok..guys..just going home...bbl
[05:54] <bddebian> Later \sh
[06:05] <ogra> siretart, whats the ationale to put all the MOTU transitions on the TB agenda ?
[06:06] <ogra> we have to do them all anyway, i dont understand why you want to discuss them at the TB ...
[06:06] <ogra> ... since they have nothing to do with the TB
[06:14] <siretart> ogra: I wasn't too sure, I wanted to check that with you anyways.
[06:14] <siretart> ogra: the probles is, that I wanted to know, what is the status about currently ongoing transistions, and what transistions are planned for breezy
[06:15] <ogra> siretart, we _have_ to do all of them... with highest priority
[06:15] <ogra> slang and aalib are transitioned in main.... we have to care for the universe stuff here
[06:15] <siretart> *gulp*
[06:15] <ogra> glu has to wait for xorg, there we have no choice...
[06:16] <ogra> and as i understand the haskell stuff this waits for xorg too
[06:16] <siretart> not necessarily
[06:16] <siretart> the matter with ghc is a bit more complicated
[06:17] <siretart> I'll take the transition stuff off from the agenda
[06:17] <ogra> siretart, did you already ask someone with direct access to the buildds fro the right hooks for ghc ?
[06:18] <siretart> ogra: yes, cpphs could already be built with hugs, haskell-utils should be doable
[06:19] <ogra> doesnt sond like its not doable within the next weeks
[06:19] <siretart> after that, we are a bit unsure how to proceed with ghc6, because since the latest upstream revision, it needs ghc6 to be built :/
[06:19] <ogra> yes, thus my question about hooks on the buildd
[06:19] <siretart> cpphs was already uploaded, haskell-utils can be built, it needs 'fixed' builddepends for sbuild
[06:20] <siretart> what hooks are there on the buildd?
[06:21] <ogra> none, some buildd admin has to provide them manually ...
[06:21] <ogra> lets discuss it with infinity... i think doko is also someone who knows a small bit about bootstrapping
[06:22] <siretart> ok
[06:22] <bddebian> I thought someone had built ghc6-bootstrap?
[06:22] <ogra> i saw that too anywhere in here...
[06:23] <siretart> sistpoty has
[06:23] <ogra> and it doesnt work ?
[06:23] <siretart> but in that form, it is not that usable, will have to recheck with him
[06:23] <siretart> it downloads stuff at build-time
[06:24] <bddebian> Can't it just be used to build haskell-utils and the full ghc6 ?
[06:25] <siretart> I havn't checked it yet, have to work here, still :(
[06:26] <doko> ogra, siretart: please talk with infinity, he has to do it on the build machine anyway
[06:26] <siretart> doko: ok, we will do
[06:26] <ogra> doko, thanks, thats what i thought
[06:41] <\sh> slomo: ping
[06:41] <slomo> \sh: pong
[06:42] <\sh> slomo: atlas-cpp went through
[06:43] <slomo> \sh: fine :) can you please upload the new eris version then? :)
[06:43] <ogra> guys, dont forget to put yourself on the agenda today for upload rights ....
[06:44] <\sh> will do just now...give me some minutes to relax from work...:) I just had a look only
[06:44] <Mez> \sh thought you already were on the agenda and had upload rights
[06:44] <Mez> :P
[06:45] <Amaranth> TB meeting today?
[06:45] <Mez> yup
[06:46] <Mez> in like... 3.25 hours
[06:48] <Mez> bddebian, everyone is welcome to si in
[06:50] <siretart> ogra: I cound 5 on MaintainerCandidates
[06:51] <siretart> err s/5/7/
[06:51] <Mez> cound?
[06:52] <siretart> bddebian: why?
[06:52] <bddebian> siretart: Probably not ready yet :-)
[07:15] <Tonio> siretart: hi, tell me, if I upload again katalog today (correct with good deps etc...) will it overwrite the old version ?
[07:20] <schweeb> Tonio: you need up increment the version, if that's what you're asking
[07:23] <Tonio> okay, do I need to put -1ubuntu0
[07:23] <Tonio> or -0ubuntu1
[07:25] <\sh> -0ubuntu1
[07:27] <ogra> Tonio, always -0ubuntu1 so the debian package will overwrite it once there is a debian -1 version
[07:28] <ogra> (which would be the first debian package)
[07:28] <slomo> Tonio: for revu you best keep the version as is... it will be overwritten then
[07:28] <jan1> hello all
[07:28] <\sh> did i say , that siretart and sistopy are rocking dudes? this nice little password recovery tools is GREAT!
[07:28] <ogra> with every new package you increment the last number (indeed only if you do "real" uploads, not revu uploads) i.e. -0ubuntu2
[07:29] <bddebian> Hello Jan1
[07:29] <jan1> hmm someone took jani
[07:29] <ogra> Tonio, but a package that gets intially packaged for ubuntu and doesnt exist in debian should always have 0ubuntu1
[07:29] <Tonio> ogra: ok ant hnaks for the info
[07:30] <Tonio> took me a long moment but my packages are clean now ;)
[07:39] <Tonio> ogra:  I'm just uplaoding right now, but it appears to upload to fast to me.
[07:39] <Tonio> can you confirm me that you can see the files on the server ?
[07:39] <ogra> Tonio, nope
[07:39] <ogra> i dont have access to the revu server
[07:39] <ogra> ask siretart
[07:40] <Tonio> excuse ma ;)
[07:40] <Tonio> me
[07:40] <siretart> Tonio: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=185 is this your upload?
[07:40] <ogra> np
[07:40] <bddebian> Tonio: siretart is REVU master :-)
[07:41] <siretart> atm. until we get that vserver for revu
[07:41] <Tonio> k
[07:41] <Tonio> I don't have the feeling that .orig.tar.gz file is sent....
[07:42] <siretart> it was not
[07:42] <Tonio> dput -P *_source.changes
[07:42] <Tonio> isn't that correct ?
[07:42] <\sh> debuild -S -sa
[07:42] <bddebian> Yes
[07:42] <siretart> how did you run dpkg-buildpackge?
[07:42] <\sh> for source upload
[07:42] <bddebian> Ohh
[07:42] <bddebian> whoops
[07:42] <Tonio> debuild -s
[07:43] <siretart> as \sh said, always use '-S -sa' instead of plain '-S'
[07:43] <siretart> for revu, that is
[07:43] <Tonio> okay
[07:43] <Tonio> I'm doing it then overwrite everthing.... sorry ;)
[07:44] <Tonio> can you delete all of those uploads ?
[07:45] <Tonio> or do I have to modify version to get it overwritten ?
[07:49] <siretart> if you want an upload nuked, make a comment
[07:50] <siretart> an admin like \sh, me, ajmitch, tseng or dholbach will have possibility to nuke an upload
[07:51] <Tonio> okay ;) Cause I don't want to create a mess on the server...
[07:51] <Tonio> I'll wait for them to nuke
[07:52] <Tonio> you say "will"
[07:52] <Tonio> don't you have it at the moment ?
[07:52] <siretart> Tonio: you can update uploads without creating new entries. the main page lists only one entry per sourcepackage
[07:53] <Tonio> yes but it says "nothing to do with .source file" if ti try tu overwrite...
[07:53] <siretart> delete the source file
[07:53] <Tonio> k
[07:54] <Tonio> nice ;)
[07:54] <\sh> preparing some coffee and getting refreshed for the meeting ;-)
[07:54] <siretart> eta 2h, yes?
[07:54] <siretart> damn, and I'm still in the office and have to work
[07:54] <siretart> :/
[07:55] <\sh> yeah..but I have to smell fresh and yummy before I can stand in the middle of the arena ,-)
[07:55] <siretart> ah, you applied for main. :) gogogo! :)
[07:56] <\sh> siretart: yes..sadly ,-)
[07:56] <siretart> ;)
[07:58] <\sh> it's all ogras fault, I'll tell him, when they're finished with me *lol*
[08:01] <jan1> \sh good luck, you've been very productive lately
[08:07] <\sh> jan1: actually I'm doing this only to support riddell...
[08:07] <jan1> nevertheless you're productive :)
[08:08] <jan1> there's no exuse for that
[08:09] <ivoks> hi guys
[08:09] <bddebian> Hello ivoks
[08:09] <jan1> h iivoks
[08:09] <ivoks> this backup stuff is harder than i tought :(
[08:09] <\sh> Riddell: I love u too :)
[08:10] <ivoks> \sh hi
[08:10] <\sh> hey ivoks
[08:10] <\sh> READ THE FCKING MANUALS :) or in my case REPORTS ,->
[08:11] <ivoks> anyone wants to contribute or see my work i have done in last 2 days
[08:11] <ivoks> ?
[08:12] <ivoks> none? :(
[08:12] <ivoks> no one
[08:12] <bddebian> ivoks: If I could I would :-)
[08:13] <ivoks> you could check it out and run it :)
[08:13] <\sh> ivoks: u created the desaster recovery backup option for ubuntu breezy especially for my laptop? ,->
[08:14] <siretart> rsnapshot is very nice for that
[08:14] <ivoks> \sh :-)
[08:14] <\sh> but not if your hd is dieing suddenly...evenings it's working, mornings it's broken
[08:14] <ivoks> \sh i did catch up python so well :)
[08:15] <\sh> and no...it's not the folk song of cat stevens
[08:15] <ivoks> \sh want to try it?
[08:16] <jan1> ogra, so can elmo do a sync and say ignore ubuntu1 patches en-gross for a list of packages skipping MOM?
[08:16] <ogra> yep
[08:16] <\sh> ivoks: honestly: not today, cause I have other thoughts in my head and other things to think of...but please give me link to test it tomorrow
[08:17] <ivoks> ogra could you help me? :(
[08:19] <ivoks> http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/backup.py
[08:19] <ivoks> don't take it seriuosly, it's just begining
[08:20] <ivoks> 3kb file
[08:22] <\sh> that's all?
[08:22] <ivoks> :(
[08:22] <\sh> I'm tired?
[08:22] <\sh> lol
[08:22] <ivoks> feel free to contribute
[08:22] <ivoks> :)
[08:22] <jan1> I'm just nitpicking ivoks, this is not a priority if you want a working app
[08:22] <\sh> I don't code gtk
[08:23] <\sh> I'm the kde guy ,-) use python-kde3 ,-)
[08:23] <jan1> but there is a tarfile module in python, so you don't need to exec tar.Or so I think.
[08:23] <ivoks> jan1 thanks for the tip
[08:24] <ivoks> jan1 i'm quite new to python and gtk... this wasn't so hard to do, but whole day i'm busting my head how to create treeview of folders on disk
[08:24] <ivoks> with checkboxes
[08:25] <jan1> I don't know python either aside from occasional reading of source and a few scripts
[08:25] <jan1> I just remembered I used tarfile once and it's slower than execcing tar itself :(
[08:26] <ivoks> eh
[08:26] <ogra> ivoks, hmm, thats *very* basic :)
[08:26] <ivoks> ogra yeah, it's 4 hours of work
[08:27] <ivoks> and 20 hours of trying to figure out how to create treeview of folders
[08:27] <ivoks> i will continue my work, don't worry...
[08:28] <ogra> ivoks, it just created a 1.5 gig file in temp until my / ran out of space ....
[08:28] <ivoks> :)
[08:28] <ogra> you should do some size checks
[08:28] <ivoks> ogra i know
[08:28] <ivoks> i wanted to do a treeview with size column
[08:28] <ogra> and you should warn testers about that ;)
[08:29] <ivoks> sorry
[08:29] <\sh> ok...now for coffee and a shower...
[08:29] <ogra> if you use xfs for / your system is fucked after running out of space
[08:29] <ogra> completely
[08:29] <ivoks> ok, guys, backup.py is potentional DOS
[08:29] <slomo> ogra: what happens then?
[08:30] <siretart> slomo: then you better have fullbackups ;)
[08:30] <ivoks> slomo boot ubuntu installation and delete some files
[08:30] <ogra> slomo, it starts to write zeros
[08:30] <ivoks> oh...
[08:31] <ogra> slomo, its not easy to get it running again... but the xfs repair tools can do it.... its just a lot of work :)
[08:31] <slomo> omg... well, this means i have to keep an eye on my free disc space ;)
[08:31] <ogra> slomo, www.grawert.net has a simple diskchecker script from the days i ran xfs systems ;)
[08:32] <ivoks> herve hi
[08:32] <herve> hello
[08:32] <slomo> ogra: what do you use now?
[08:32] <bddebian> Heya herve
[08:32] <herve> hey ivoks!
[08:32] <ogra> ext3
[08:32] <ogra> but thats sloow...compared to xfs ...
[08:33] <jan1> ogra, tried reiser?
[08:33] <herve> ogra, I removed xfs when I began to lost files at fsck
[08:33] <ivoks> herve what's up?
[08:33] <herve> ivoks, nothing much, my work days are still the way to hell
[08:33] <herve> ogra, and I found it slow :-) (to copy files, if we don't mean the same)
[08:33] <ogra> jan1, i will never let anything hans reiser designed nearer then 10m to any of my systems
[08:34] <ivoks> :)
[08:34] <jan1> ogra, watch out at conferences then :)
[08:34] <ogra> herve, we talked about running out of space with xfs... which is the nly issue i know about xfs...
[08:35] <slomo> hmm is someone working on that?
[08:35] <jan1> or use reiser over nfs on a server 11 meters away :)
[08:35] <herve> when fsck happened, files were just deleted, not moved to any lost+found or consistent state
[08:35] <ogra> herve, xfs is great if you know it good enough... i ran a 3TB san array with it in '98 it was the fastest in town... but the mallest files on there were about 600MB
[08:35] <jan1> I found it both fast and lossless, but YMMV of course
[08:36] <herve> yes, probably not suited to my needs
[08:36] <ivoks> well... see you guys
[08:36] <herve> bye ivoks
[08:36] <ivoks> i'm off to beach
[08:36] <herve> enjoy your days :-)
[08:36] <herve> you lucky
[08:36] <ogra> i have seen companys going down the drain because of missing backups and reiserfs
[08:36] <ivoks> herve i'll try (i don't know how i'll manage that cause ogra just gave me a slap :)
[08:36] <ogra> hans sells stuff as stable thats far from that
[08:37] <jan1> I never managed servers, but for workstation use it's cool IMO
[08:37] <herve> yes, like the editor of the crap I fight with everyday...
[08:37] <ivoks> all my servers are on XFS
[08:37] <ogra> jan1, yes, if you dont have valuable data on thm
[08:37] <jan1> I don't :)
[08:37] <ogra> i really hate reisers rubbish
[08:37] <ivoks> 4TB server too :)
[08:37] <ogra> siretart++
[08:37] <ivoks> ogra i agree
[08:38] <ivoks> well... off i go
[08:38] <ogra> herve, nothing was deleted... did youtry xfsrestore ?
[08:39] <herve> ok, I admit, I read quite no doc
[08:39] <herve> I expect it to work out of the box
[08:39] <herve> like ext3 doe
[08:39] <herve> s
[08:39] <ogra> herve, if you know the tools and use them, xfs will never leave you alone :)
[08:39] <ogra> or break...
[08:40] <ogra> but having xfs on small disks that run out of space every now and then is a PITA...
[08:40] <herve> sure thing I'm supposed to know the tools I use
[08:40] <herve> anyway, ext3 is more suited for ws and laptops
[08:41] <ogra> yup...
[08:41] <ogra> has anyone experience with jfs ? i never used it
[08:41] <\sh> I'm running xfs now on the lap
[08:41] <\sh> reiserfs on the usb hd
[08:42] <ogra> \sh, btw, if you only want main upload rights for KDE i wont vote for you ! at least one gnome related package every release must happen too... :)
[08:44] <\sh> ogra: now look what u did
[08:44] <jan1> ogra, there are some blog entries by john goerzen (he's on planet debian) regarding jfs among other fs-s IIRC
[08:44] <ogra> not a "nice to have"
[08:45] <ogra> its a "must!!"
[08:45] <herve> I'm pretty sure to find the same on reiserfs :-)
[08:45] <\sh> ogra: am I allowed to quote u?
[08:45] <ogra> sure :)
[08:46] <ogra> and i said "gnome related" dont mess with seb128 ;)
[08:46] <\sh> ogra: please check and black out some things u don't want to see
[08:47] <ogra> thats ok :)
[08:47] <\sh> the TB will kill me
[08:47] <bddebian> How soon is meeting and should I come?
[08:47] <\sh> and sabdfl will send me a brazil shemale
[08:47] <ogra> heh... dont worry
[08:47] <bddebian> \sh: ;-)
[08:47] <ogra> ahahhahha
[08:47] <ogra> bddebian, why not
[08:48] <bddebian> ogra: Dunno
[08:48] <ogra> Unfrgiven, coud you remove yourself from the MaintainerCandidates page please
[08:49] <siretart> woah, I accidentally turned off the powersupply in my office
[08:49] <bddebian> heh
[08:49] <siretart> furtunatly I'm working on a sunray and laptop :)
[08:49] <slomo> siretart: lol... how has this happened? :)
[08:50] <siretart> I kicked the junction box :/
[08:50] <\sh> slomo: u sure liberis is c++?
[08:52] <slomo> \sh: it's coded in c++ if that is what you want to know ;) and it's currently not installable because of libraries it depends on which were renamed because of cxxtransition
[08:52] <\sh> *grmpf*
[08:52] <\sh> i did it by myself *lol*
[08:53] <\sh> *shakeshishead*
[08:54] <jan1> ogra, I saw edubuntu-meta is a new package unrelated to ubuntu-meta. Isn't it annoying to keep them in sync, I mean the update scripts? I remember lokking a while back at kubuntu-meta and ubuntu-meta and there were slight inconsistencies which were from time to time eliminated
[08:54] <slomo> \sh: one of this libraries is libatlas which you finally fixed today ;)
[08:54] <\sh> yeah
[08:54] <\sh> and liberis i did as well
[08:54] <jan1> I am wondering what the cleanest way to do a xubuntu-meta be (based on xfce4)
[08:54] <\sh> *shrugs*
[08:55] <ogra> jan1, they are completely separate distros
[08:55] <jan1> I mean from code-reuse perspective
[08:55] <jan1> that's all done, now?All you do is modify the seed description?
[08:56] <jan1> when soemthing goes into ubuntu-minimal or standard is it automatically picked up?
[08:56] <herve> grrr those money problems...
[08:57] <ogra> jan1, since i use these metapackages unmodified, yes
[08:57] <\sh> slomo: for u it build properly only installing the deb was the problem?
[08:57] <jan1> ogra, hanks
[08:58] <ogra> the only diferent ones are -server and -desktop
[08:58] <slomo> \sh: yes... installing was the problem because of this weird dh_makeshlibs hack... the now built versions should have correct dependencies
[08:59] <ogra> -server installs a complete classroom ltsp environment... -desktop is the desktop with edu apps
[09:00] <\sh> slomo: will try in chroot..mom
[09:04] <\sh> slomo: works..uploading
[09:04] <slomo> \sh: thanks :)
[09:04] <\sh> slomo: np
[09:13] <\sh> can it be that kimbada a bad package is?
[09:16] <herve> I'll merge the python packages
[09:17] <ogra> hola dholbach
[09:17] <dholbach> hellas
[09:17] <dholbach> :-D
[09:17] <dholbach> how are you all?
[09:17] <slomo> hi dholbach :)
[09:18] <dholbach> hey slomo :)
[09:18] <herve> daniel!!!
[09:19] <\sh> DHOLBACH :)
[09:19] <dholbach> WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO! :)
[09:20] <herve> hey, don't burn him!
[09:20] <\sh> well...beer has to wait until u r in berlin ;-)
[09:20] <dholbach> herve: how are you? :)
[09:20] <herve> globally fine :-)
[09:21] <dholbach> and locally?
[09:21] <herve> not a good day
[09:22] <dholbach> what went wrong?
[09:23] <herve> ho the same things we discuss often
[09:23] <herve> girls, money, job :)
[09:24] <\sh> oh..same applies to me..but remove girls ,-)
[09:24] <slomo> and same for me... when you remove job ;)
[09:24] <dholbach> herve: i can imagine
[09:24] <siretart> hi dholbach
[09:24] <dholbach> siretart: hey reinhard, how's it going?
[09:24] <siretart> still in the office
[09:25] <siretart> want to go home :/
[09:25] <dholbach> :-(
[09:25] <dholbach> siretart: who do i have to talk to, to make them let you?
[09:25] <siretart> hehe. I'm alone here :))
[09:25] <siretart> dholbach: did svenl answer you?
[09:25] <dholbach> then go :)
[09:26] <ogra> siretart, haha
[09:26] <siretart> i know ;)
[09:26] <dholbach> siretart: sven luther on utnubu-list? i answered him today
[09:26] <ogra> siretart, answer is a really friendly word
[09:27] <dholbach> ogra: you know how much i appreciate friendly people
[09:27] <siretart> yeah, I also consider his signature ( that line with 'friendly' ) rather sarcastic
[09:27] <ogra> heh
[09:27] <\sh> what is with svenl? he was the debian release maintainer working for those pegasos guys, right?
[09:28] <ogra> hehe
[09:28] <ogra> \sh, you dont want to have to do anything with him
[09:28] <siretart> he is.. let's say it in a nice way, a quite difficult person..
[09:28] <ogra> belive me
[09:28] <herve> last time I heard about him, he was on #u-d
[09:28] <ogra> siretart, youre to polite... really
[09:29] <dholbach> that's the good thing about life... things can improve :)
[09:29] <herve> and the debate was described as "fight"
[09:29] <\sh> ogra: u introduced him last time..and I was begging for a pegasos machine ,->
[09:29] <ogra> dholbach, in case of svenl i doubt that
[09:30] <ogra> \sh, thast svenl if he has a real good day and feels nice and polite facing other people: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/utnubu-discuss/2005-July/000019.html
[09:31] <ogra> \sh, look at the reply ;)
[09:31] <siretart> ok, /me home, want to catch the tb meeting.. cu
[09:31] <\sh> ugh
[09:33] <bddebian> Hey, I want a Pegasos machine!! :-)
[09:33] <\sh> forget it
[09:33] <\sh> only gentoo guys will get some ,->
[09:33] <slomo> bddebian: me too ;)
[09:34] <\sh> ogra: now u know, why I don't want to mess around with 'hardcoded' people
[09:34] <ogra> heh
[09:35] <bddebian> :'-( \sh :-)
[09:37] <Burgundavia> dholbach, welcome back
[09:37] <\sh> bddebian: it's easier to get them from ebay
[09:37] <dholbach> hey Burgundavia, nice to see you too
[09:37] <bddebian> \sh: Aye
[09:38] <Burgundavia> dholbach, you had school, no?
[09:38] <dholbach> Burgundavia: i'm still busy with my thesis and i'll have to hand it in in 3,5 weeks
[09:39] <\sh> u won't believe it...I'm patching now a 10MB source
[09:39] <\sh> gzipped
[09:39] <Burgundavia> dholbach, good luck
[09:39] <dholbach> thank you :)
[09:39] <slomo> \sh: good look :) when you have time look at ace... 24 mb gzipped sources ;)
[09:39] <\sh> actually it's only a couple of bytes...
[09:39] <\sh> slomo: I gave up with ace
[09:40] <\sh> the latest upstream release should work with gcc4
[09:40] <\sh> slomo: cxx transition ,-)
[09:40] <slomo> \sh: fine... that was also my proposed fix... and even the debian guys think the same ;)
[09:41] <\sh> slomo: but the rules file is a mess^10
[09:41] <\sh> u have to patch everything from the beginning, i had problems with finding qmake etc.
[09:42] <herve> \sh, the same with hydrogen yesterday
[09:44] <\sh> herve: no...better...it didn't comply to the standard qt build rules...didn't get the QTDIR correctly etc. only my tries to build latest ace :(
[09:45] <\sh> slomo: but I think u will manage it :)
[09:45] <herve> \sh, mine too
[09:46] <herve> ok, let's move to the python standards
[09:46] <herve> here I am comfortable :()
[09:46] <slomo> \sh: what? ace? i don't think so ;) i would wait until the new upstream release is in debian... that would be too much to patch
[09:47] <\sh> slomo: when it will be finished? etch+1 ? ,-)
[09:48] <slomo> \sh: no idea... hopefully sometime soon before breezy release ;) otherwise i can try to hack a package around the new version together...
[09:52] <slomo> btw... while we're at new versions ;) can someone look at http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=166 ?
[10:00] <dholbach> tritium: michael! how's it going?
[10:00] <tritium> Hey dholbach :)
[10:00] <tritium> I'm doing well, thanks.  How are you?
[10:00] <dholbach> a bit tired, but i'm fine - thanks :)
[10:00] <tritium> It's great to see you!
[10:01] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[10:01] <tritium> hey there bddebian
[10:02] <jan1> meeting started
[10:02] <\sh> meeting time
[10:02] <dholbach> it's nice to see you all too - in one month i'll have more time again, to hang out with you too :)
[10:02] <jan1> me too :)
[10:02] <tritium> yay!
[10:03] <\sh> dholbach: u r attending TB? yes, come on ,)
[10:04] <dholbach> sh: absolutely - i'm already there
[10:04] <\sh> oh :)
[10:06] <siretart> hi folks
[10:06] <sistpoty> hi siretart
[10:07] <siretart> huhu sistpoty :)
[10:08] <\sh> hmmm...fixed kimbada
[10:39] <Mez> o_O
[10:39] <Mez> I jsut said to my gf
[10:39] <Mez> #you cna call me adam now
[10:39] <Mez> and she said waht
[10:40] <Mez> I said MOTU
[10:40] <Mez> she said
[10:40] <Mez> oh *drools* he-man
[10:40] <Mez> grr
[10:40] <sistpoty> hrhr
[10:40] <dholbach> :-)
[10:40] <slomo> lol
[10:40] <herve> hello jbailey
[10:41] <dholbach> jbailey: hi jeff :)
[10:41] <Mez> lol, and she's gonna be in #ubuntu soon :D
[10:43] <jbailey> Hi. =)
[10:43] <bddebian> Mez: :-)
[10:43] <bddebian> Heya jbailey
[10:43] <opi> re after long time without network access :-)
[10:46] <Mez> and thats her
[10:46] <Mez> Emly
[10:51] <ajmitch> morning
[10:52] <dholbach> ajmitch: hey andrew :)
[10:53] <siretart> hi ajmitch
[10:53] <herve> morning ajmitch
[10:54] <ajmitch> hi
[11:05] <herve> is it really necessary to force debhelper >= 4.2.28 if we want Python 2.4?
[11:07] <dholbach> it's for a rocking dh_python, i recall
[11:07] <ajmitch> 4.2.28 says 'Add 2.4 to python_allversions'
[11:08] <ajmitch> so if you don't use that version or higher, it complains
[11:08] <herve> what complains?
[11:11] <ajmitch> dh_python
[11:11] <herve> but the package remains 100% usable?
[11:11] <herve> I'd really like to drop two ubuntu versions :-)
[11:12] <ajmitch> ?
[11:12] <ajmitch> it only really matter for backports now, I think
[11:13] <ajmitch> since a newer debhelper is in sid
[11:13] <herve> yes, me fool
[11:13] <herve> we DO have debhelper >= 4.2.28 in breezy
[11:13] <herve> yoohoo!
[11:13] <ajmitch> of course..
[11:14] <ajmitch> if we didn't, then there'd be no point having that build-dep :)
[11:14] <ajmitch> 4.2.28 went into hoary as well
[11:14] <herve> sometimes I just follow the rules too much -:)
[11:14] <ajmitch> hehe
[11:15] <ajmitch> so backporting to sarge would be the only one to lookout for :)
[11:15] <ajmitch> or warty, if you're desperate
[11:15] <dholbach> that was an awesome meeting - thanks to all of you who were involved so much!
[11:15] <herve> yeah, backporting in a word ;-)
[11:15] <dholbach> LET'S MAKE BREEZY UNIVERSE ROCK!
[11:16] <ajmitch> dholbach: how much longer on your thesis?
[11:16] <ajmitch> if we have \sh & dholbach, there won't be any work left for the rest of us ;)
[11:16] <dholbach> ajmitch: i'll be out of trouble (thesis handed in, project done with my dad, moved, ...) in early september
[11:16] <dholbach> ajmitch: don't worry :)
[11:17] <lamont> siretart: is it just the normal ghc6 circular-dep-wait-from-hell issue?
[11:17] <ajmitch> bddebian: a good thing, too
[11:17] <siretart> lamont: more or less, yes
[11:17] <bddebian> ajmitch: :-)
[11:17] <siretart> lamont: we tried working around that, but didn't succeed
[11:18] <herve> ok, 4 packages less to merge!
[11:18] <herve> night all
[11:18] <dholbach> herve: super! thank you!
[11:18] <dholbach> herve: sleep tight
[11:18] <tritium> night herve :)
[11:18] <\sh> thx herve and good night :)
[11:18] <ogra> nigh herve and thanks :)
[11:18] <bddebian> Later her
[11:18] <bddebian> herve even
[11:18] <herve> argh! I lost the fourth one!
[11:18] <bddebian> Damn tab completion
[11:18] <jan1> night all
[11:19] <ajmitch> herve: zope-* ?
[11:19] <herve> hehe, thanks all
[11:19] <\sh> I need a towl now...
[11:19] <herve> ajmitch, I did two today, too, yes
[11:19] <ajmitch> herve: which ones? I forgot to take a couple on the list that I worked on
[11:20] <siretart> lamont: the problem is that libgmp3 is not available in breezy anymore, it was transitioned to libgmp3c2, so ghc6 is not installable anymore
[11:20] <lamont> siretart: right.  bludgeon  as needed. got it.
[11:20] <comadreja> hello again !
[11:20] <comadreja> back home
[11:20] <bddebian> ANd haskel-utils build-deps ghc6 and ghc6 depends haskel-utils right?
[11:20] <bddebian> Heya comadreja
[11:20] <sistpoty> yep,
[11:20] <herve> ok, got back the fab fourth -:)
[11:20] <comadreja> congratulations to all new motus :D
[11:20] <lamont> siretart: "sometime this week" fit within your needs?
[11:21] <siretart> lamont: sure
[11:21] <sistpoty> but haskell-utils should build with slightly modified build-deps (alternate dependency problem)
[11:21] <herve> who are the new motus?
[11:21] <\sh> comadreja , slomo, madduck, nafallo
[11:22] <sistpoty> yeah, congrats to you
[11:22] <herve> martin? you wouldn't have hesitated long ;()
[11:22] <Nafallo> wee! :-D
[11:22] <herve> congrats Nafallo and others
[11:22] <\sh> hmmm...
[11:22] <Nafallo> \sh: hmmm...?
[11:23] <Nafallo> \sh: packaging jabberd for main? ;-)
[11:23] <Nafallo> (1)
[11:23] <bddebian> Yeah congrats Nafallo, SloMo_, madduck, and comadreja!!!
[11:23] <tritium> dholbach, when you finish we need to have a celebration :)
[11:23] <\sh> Nafallo: actually ejabberd is much more stable then jabberd2
[11:23] <dholbach> tritium: absolutely :)
[11:23] <herve> ajmitch, that was zope-stripogram and zope-rdfgrabber, the last ones if I reacll
[11:23] <\sh> but I can try to fix X now ,-)
[11:23] <tritium> :)
[11:24] <herve> try is the word :-)
[11:24] <Nafallo> \sh: hahaha.
[11:24] <Nafallo> \sh: ejabberd for main then :-)
[11:24] <\sh> Nafallo: breezy +1 :)
[11:24] <Nafallo> \sh: atleast for breezy+1 if jabberd2 haven't settled down :-)
[11:25] <herve> Here I go
[11:25] <SloMo_> \sh: when you fix X you're my hero ;)
[11:25] <herve> hi and bye DanielN :-)
[11:25] <herve> see you all later
[11:25] <\sh> SloMo_: no ways..I don't like flying around in pyjamas ,-)
[11:26] <comadreja> how do we get now the upload rights btw ?
[11:27] <dholbach> wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads knows
[11:27] <comadreja> cool, thanks :)
[11:28] <comadreja> brb
[11:29] <Nafallo> I was finished with the mails before the meeting was over :-)
[11:29] <Nafallo> actually uploads@ was sent before the weekend ;-)
[11:31] <tritium> Good evening, everyone.
[11:31] <\sh> hey tritium
[11:32] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[11:32] <DanielN> hi bddebian, hi \sh !
[11:32] <bddebian> Heya DanielN
[11:37] <\sh> hey DanielN
[11:38] <DanielN> :)
[11:38] <ajmitch> how's the merge list looking now?
[11:38] <bddebian> Long :-)
[11:38] <dholbach> good night everybody :)
[11:38] <ajmitch> very useful, bddebian
[11:38] <ajmitch> night dholbach
[11:38] <bddebian> Gnight dholbach
[11:39] <bddebian> ajmitch: That's me :-)
[11:39] <ajmitch> :P
[11:39] <dholbach> night you two :)
[11:39] <bddebian> ajmitch: Down to 89 and some I have already tagged as pendingupload
[11:41] <bddebian> Didn't I already do that?
[11:41] <ajmitch> you set it as pending & left a comment there
[11:41] <\sh> ajmitch can upload :)
[11:41] <ajmitch> but someone still has to do the upload
[11:41] <bddebian> Oh, sorry
[11:44] <ajmitch> and it's an app that I use :)
[11:44] <bddebian> Ah, nice
[11:45] <ajmitch> it ought do
[11:45] <bddebian> :-)
[11:45] <ajmitch> since looking at the ubuntu diff, there are minimal changes
[11:45] <ajmitch> they can probably all be dropped, in fact
[11:46] <ajmitch> yeah, might be to good to drop them all
[11:47] <bddebian> Didn't believe me eh? :-)
[11:47] <siretart> Mez: are backports from archive.u.c. working yet?
[11:47] <Mez> the ones that are in the archive, yes
[11:47] <bddebian> OK, I gotta head home.  Later folks.  I'll try to hit a few more merges tonight
[11:47] <siretart> Mez: how do you add packages to be backported?
[11:47] <Mez> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/hoary-backports.all.i386
[11:48] <Mez> siretart, I poke elmo
[11:48] <ajmitch> bddebian: I've got to review anything you put up, remember :)
[11:48] <bddebian> ajmitch: Aye :-)
[11:48] <dholbach> bddebian: thanks for that :)
[11:48] <bddebian> dholbach: For what?
[11:48] <dholbach> ajmitch: i was doing some reviews as well :)
[11:48] <dholbach> bddebian: being involved like that
[11:48] <bddebian> dholbach: Oh, no problem. :-)
[11:48] <siretart> Mez: ah, I see. do you have a policy what will be/can be backported? what about main packages?
[11:48] <bddebian> Catch ya'll later.
[11:49] <ajmitch> dholbach: ok, anyway to make sure we don't grab & review the same? :)
[11:50] <ajmitch> apart from the timezone separation ;)
[11:50] <Seveas> Any motu up for correcting php4-gd2?
[11:50] <Seveas> sources are still available in archive.ubuntu.com
[11:51] <Seveas> but the package does not build because debian/rules isn't executable
[11:51] <ajmitch> Seveas: what's the problem?
[11:51] <ajmitch> ah
[11:51] <Seveas> that's the *only* compile-time problem
[11:51] <ajmitch> so far ;)
[11:51] <ajmitch> Mez: I didn't know you were allowed to backport things like mono? :)
[11:52] <Seveas> ajmitch, I just built the package :)
[11:52] <Seveas> it's the *only* problem :)
[11:52] <ajmitch> good
[11:52] <Mez> ajmitch
[11:52] <Mez> I dont
[11:52] <ajmitch> in what section is the package?
[11:52] <Seveas> universe
[11:52] <ajmitch> hmm
[11:52] <Seveas> otherwise I would not have talked to the MOTU
[11:52] <ajmitch> apt-get source isn't getting it for me
[11:52] <Seveas> true
[11:53] <ajmitch> Seveas: well we can care for multiverse as well
[11:53] <Seveas> but the files are still there on archive.ubuntu.com
[11:54] <ajmitch> php4-gd ?
[11:54] <ajmitch> or is it gd2?
[11:54] <Seveas> php4-gd installs fine
[11:55] <Seveas> php4-gd2 is the package i'm talking about
[11:55] <ajmitch> no idea why it's not showing in the sources list then?
[11:56] <ajmitch> Mez: you're not backporting mono stuff, but what are you asking about in #u-devel then?
[11:56] <Seveas> It shows up in lamont's buildlogs, last entry is from october
[11:56] <siretart> ok folks, I'm off for my bed
[11:56] <siretart> gn8 folks!
[11:56] <ajmitch> night siretart
[11:56] <Mez> ajmithc - what?
[11:57] <Mez> ajmitch, I'm just looking at a dep-wait on the backport buildds thats all
[11:57] <sistpoty> gn8 siretart
[11:57] <ajmitch> Mez: so someone else in the backports team is?
[11:57] <Mez> ajmitch: what package are you referring to
[11:57] <ajmitch> Mez: gtk-sharp-unstable & cli-common are both mono packages
[11:58] <Mez> they're part of mono? or depend on mono
[11:58] <dholbach> does anybody know, who anthony.mercatante@laposte.net is?
[11:58] <ajmitch> gtk-sharp2-unstable is C# bindings to gtk+
[11:58] <Mez> see, I didnt know that
[11:59] <ajmitch> cli-common is a package that has scripts for building any mono package
[11:59] <chillywilly> bah
[11:59] <SloMo_> hmm what's the problem with gtk-sharp2-unstable?
[11:59] <ajmitch> so someone was probably backporting beagle :)
[12:00] <SloMo_> ajmitch: yes, we had beagle in the old backports ;)
[12:01] <SloMo_> \sh: what was the package you uploaded today for me which failed on amd64? eris?