[12:00] <jasoncohen> IceDC571, why?
[12:00] <oni> anyone can help me?
[12:00] <useruser> oni: what exactly are you trying to do?
[12:01] <matthieu_> La_PaRCa, as you seem responsive... Can you please type the command : >grep '13f6 0x00000110' /lib/modules/*/modules.pcimap    and give me the result?
[12:01] <vladuz976> anybody know a good guide to aptitude?
[12:01] <IceDC571> the default theme is soo.. stale and boring
[12:01] <oni> build a VisualBoyAdvance from the src
[12:01] <useruser> oni: where's the source?
[12:01] <oni> I'm in ppc
[12:01] <oni> in my desktop
[12:01] <IceDC571> you dont really need a guide to aptitude just use aptitude --help
[12:01] <useruser> oni: i mean, do you have a url?
[12:01] <HollowFrank> iceDC571: i wasn't too keen on it to start with but it really grew on me
[12:02] <oni> useruser: i've it in my desktop
[12:02] <useruser> oni: i understand. have you unpacked it? isn't there a file called README and/or INSTALL?
[12:02] <IceDC571> well other than that i really love ubuntu.. it sure beats the crap out of all the other distros, everything just works for me on ubuntu
[12:02] <oni> I haven't unpackaged it
[12:02] <useruser> oni: do so :)
[12:03] <HollowFrank> IceDC571: i wish i could say the same, my intel 536 modem is refusing to work and i ain't a clue why
[12:03] <La_PaRCa> matthieu_, nothing, blank, zilch, nada, zero
[12:03] <oni> ok, there's an INSTALL
[12:03] <useruser> oni: it probably has some nice instructions for compiling
[12:03] <Subliminal> my man pages "overflow" the terminal and produce strange characters, is there a size i can set so that they are formatted correctly?
[12:04] <useruser> Subliminal: try setting LC_ALL=C
[12:04] <HollowFrank> /list
[12:05] <matthieu_> La_PaRCa: Thanks for trying. It's a sound card that worked yesterday. I played around with linux-image for some reason, and today, it doesn't work anylonger... There is no driver listed in the modules.pcimap in MY PC, so I hoped someone would have a "older" version.
[12:05] <La_PaRCa> matthieu_, nope, sorry
[12:05] <IceDC571> anyone know a good site i could browse for some wallpapers in?
[12:05] <Subliminal> useruser: export LC_ALL=C doesnt seem to have an effect if thats what you intended
[12:06] <useruser> Subliminal: ok, just a guess
[12:06] <morgul_> I changed my audigy card 'slot and I don't have sound in hoary anymore, what can I do to get sound back ?
[12:06] <useruser> Subliminal: see if the locale command thinks you've got some funny locale set, though
[12:06] <oni> useruser: I get this: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[12:06] <useruser> oni: apt-get install gcc
[12:06] <oni> I think I have it
[12:07] <matthieu_> morgul_: esd -h would show the available cards. Check that it is in the list. If not, look for the driver.
[12:07] <abydos> hmm
[12:07] <useruser> oni: apt-cache policy gcc. does it say it's installed?
[12:07] <abydos> how does one make a sound card become the primary sound output device
[12:07] <oni> wait.. xD it's installing
[12:07] <morgul_> merci matthieu_
[12:07] <Subliminal> useruser: LC_ALL is blank
[12:07] <useruser> Subliminal: ok, how about the others? all blank?
[12:08] <sorush20> guys what is the uri for my printer...
[12:08] <Subliminal> useruser: en_GB.UTF-
[12:08] <abydos> I have an audigy2 and an onboard AC97 soundcard.  I want the Audigy2 as the default (hell, only would be good too) sound card
[12:08] <chris> hey guys i have another question for ya,  howto install   ati-driver-installer-8.14.13.run
[12:08] <Subliminal> useruser: en_GB.UTF-8
[12:08] <useruser> Subliminal: I had trouble with exactly that locale
[12:08] <useruser> Subliminal: try unsetting those variables
[12:08] <useruser> Subliminal: (trouble on debian, that is)
[12:08] <Subliminal> useruser: set them to blank
[12:09] <useruser> Subliminal: or use unset
[12:09] <Subliminal> ok
[12:10] <matthieu_> abydos: type "esd -h" to show the cards. You should then in /etc/asound.conf put "hw:0,0" or "hw:1,0" in the default set depending on the result of the esd command. Clear ?
[12:10] <abydos> matthieu_:  clear indeed
[12:10] <Subliminal> useruser: do i need yo sudo to unset them, or have they set themselves back?
[12:11] <abydos> matthieu_:  esd -h shows a simple usage message.  Doesn't help me much
[12:11] <useruser> Subliminal: check with locale again, i guess
[12:11] <morgul_> esd -h don't show anything it seems
[12:11] <Subliminal> useruser: i did and they were back :-/
[12:11] <useruser> Subliminal: odd. is LC_ALL still equal to C?
[12:11] <matthieu_> abydos: the last line should show the available cards.
[12:12] <useruser> Subliminal: i just ran  unset $(locale | sed -e 's/=.*//')
[12:12] <useruser> Subliminal: and they all say POSIX now when i run locale
[12:12] <abydos> matthieu_:  /dev/dsp, /dev/dsp2
[12:12] <useruser> Subliminal: which is probably a Good Thing
[12:12] <matthieu_> abydos: there is another way to get it with the command >cat /proc/asound/devices
[12:12] <Subliminal> useruser: that worked
[12:12] <morgul_> do I have recompile my kernerl since I changed the audigy card pci slot?
[12:12] <Goek> anybody knows where the danish ubuntu channel is at?
[12:13] <Subliminal> useruser: as does the man page
[12:13] <morgul_> ok /dev/dsp I got that too
[12:13] <Subliminal> thanks
[12:13] <abydos> matthieu_:  that information is very uselessly formatted
[12:13] <matthieu_> abydos: that's not what I expected... I have for esd : "Possible devices are: hw:0"    and for cat... : [0-0]  : digital audio capture
[12:14] <LinuxJones> Goek, #ubuntu-dk ?
[12:14] <Goek> :)
[12:14] <Goek> the webpage just said ubuntu-da
[12:14] <useruser> Subliminal: cool :)
[12:15] <Subliminal> useruser: would you know what the proxy environmental variables where, off hand?
[12:15] <useruser> Subliminal: http_proxy and/or HTTP_PROXY, i think
[12:15] <Subliminal> ty
[12:15] <chris> hey guys i have another question for ya,  howto install   ati-driver-installer-8.14.13.run
[12:16] <desrt> chris; there's an ubuntu package, xorg-driver-fglrx
[12:16] <LinuxJones> chris, you should stick with the ubuntu binary driver for your ati card
[12:16] <matthieu_> abydos: as you have a French (or German?) name, you may try to browse http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=2969 which is quite helpful
[12:16] <useruser> matthieu_: methinks abydos is a stargate reference :P
[12:16] <abydos> matthieu_:  I'm in the US.  I chose this nick because I like stargate
[12:17] <chris> so how would i go about updating them or should i
[12:17] <morgul_> I don't get it
[12:17] <Subliminal> useruser: would you know what the man page for the proxy environmental variable is, or how to set it?
[12:17] <matthieu_> abydos: yes but we can see your real (?) first and last name with IRC...
[12:17] <useruser> Subliminal: nope
[12:17] <Subliminal> ok
[12:17] <useruser> Subliminal: it could possibly depend on the app you're using
[12:17] <Subliminal> for wget
[12:18] <LinuxJones> chris, you could run into problems when say... a kernel update happens if you compile your own ati driver.
[12:18] <abydos> matthieu_:  way way back in my family we were called siedtler
[12:18] <abydos> and we were german
[12:18] <Subliminal> the man page states it will use the environ variables
[12:18] <matthieu_> abydos: so the web page would not help...
[12:18] <useruser> Subliminal: pretty sure it's http_proxy
[12:18] <abydos> matthieu_:  probably not
[12:18] <morgul_> matthieu_ can you help ?
[12:18] <useruser> Subliminal: the manpage is a bit crap, just assuming you know
[12:18] <Subliminal> useruser: it just wouldnt let me set it
[12:18] <useruser> Subliminal: maybe also ftp_proxy, https_proxy, ...
[12:19] <useruser> Subliminal: how do you mean, wouldn't let you set it? you ran export http_proxy=somehost:8080 wget http://foo.bar/baz.html and it just ignored it?
[12:19] <norhted> is there a way to add a keyboard to layout?
[12:19] <matthieu_> abydos: there is a set of commands to run to know if OSS or ALSA are in use : lsof |grep /dev/dsp   and  lsof |grep /dev/snd    Try both and tell me if any line appears
[12:20] <useruser> Subliminal: (that's two separate commands, press enter before wget)
[12:20] <Subliminal> useruser: ah, i was sticking a $ in
[12:21] <useruser> Subliminal: i see
[12:21] <useruser> Subliminal: $ means "the value of that var", so if you hadn't set the var it'd return an empty string, which bash would find confusing
[12:21] <norhted> hello everyone, is there anybody who knows to add a new keyboard(that is not in the ubuntu`s default list)?
[12:22] <funkyHat> do i need postfix and fetchmail running at all on a desktop?
[12:22] <Strife[lab] > need? no
[12:22] <jasoncohen> funkyHat, probably not
[12:22] <Strife[lab] > want? maybe, depending on things
[12:22] <Strife[lab] > I don't use them though, if that helps
[12:23] <funkyHat> well i don't use them, but i was wondering do they do anything important system-wise, i know on my server (FC3) i get messages every day from logwatch and something to do with cron
[12:24] <funkyHat> if disabling postfix and fetchmail breaks something like that that would otherwise be used, i'd rather leave it
[12:24] <useruser> funkyHat: i'm pretty sure you don't need fetchmail for anything like that
[12:25] <useruser> funkyHat: that just downloads mail from external servers
[12:25] <vladuz976> anybody know what the permission 0710 stands for
[12:25] <funkyHat> and fetchmail isn't involved with pop mail retrieval either is it?
[12:25] <useruser> vladuz976: -rwx--x---
[12:25] <thespiritoftal> how can i search a file in ubuntu?
[12:25] <pax> 4 = read 2 = write 1 = execute
[12:25] <vladuz976> useruser: how do you see that
[12:26] <useruser> vladuz976: i found this out without any thought: touch /tmp/foo; chmod 0710 /tmp/foo; ls -l /tmp/foo
[12:26] <vladuz976> useruser: that means read write exexte by user and x by anyone in group?
[12:26] <abydos> by adding a line to /etc/modules to load the emu10k1 driver before any other
[12:26] <useruser> vladuz976: yes
[12:26] <LinuxJones> thespiritoftal, Places >> Search for Files
[12:27] <useruser> vladuz976: pretty odd permissions, seems to me...
[12:27] <vladuz976> useruser: it's for mutt
[12:27] <useruser> vladuz976: on a directory?
[12:27] <vladuz976> useruser: file
[12:27] <vladuz976> getmailrc
[12:27] <useruser> vladuz976: well i don't see what the --x for group is good for - how can you execute a file if you can't read it?
[12:27] <thespiritoftal> thanks linuxjones
[12:28] <LinuxJones> thespiritoftal, :)
[12:28] <vladuz976> useruser: you probably can't but, sine i have rwx it should be ok for me should i set it to 0755 ?
[12:28] <useruser> vladuz976: 0700 should be fine for you, i think
[12:28] <vladuz976> useruser: why did you do the touch thing on /tmp
[12:29] <useruser> vladuz976: prolly doesn't matter, anyway
[12:29] <useruser> vladuz976: to create it
[12:29] <vladuz976> useruser: why in /tmp
[12:29] <MishaS> hi. i'm having problems with xkb in the latest (unstable) ubuntu. :) is this the right forum to get help for it?;)
[12:29] <useruser> vladuz976: because it's useless
[12:30] <Melectaus_> How do you install the drivers for a wifi card on ubuntu if you have the windows disc
[12:30] <Melectaus_> i recall its possible
[12:30] <bluefox> breezy seems to have lost mkfontdir, which is critical as X can't start because xbasefonts isn't installed right
[12:30] <Melectaus_> but i cant remember how its done
[12:30] <LinuxJones> Melectaus_, ndiswrapper
[12:30] <morgul_> I changed my audigy sound card slot and I don't have sound in hoary anymore, what can I do to get it back?
[12:30] <Melectaus_> LinuxJones, any chance you could talk me thru it in pm if your not too busy?
[12:31] <Melectaus_> i would be most greatfull
[12:31] <LinuxJones> Melectaus_, I don't have a wireless card but if you search the wiki there is a howto on there i believe
[12:31] <Melectaus_> ok cheers
[12:31] <Melectaus_> what site is the wiki on
[12:31] <Melectaus_> ubuntu.com ?
[12:32] <Melectaus_> yup
[12:32] <Melectaus_> got it
[12:32] <Melectaus_> cheers
[12:32] <funkyHat> wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:32] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[12:32] <FX|Laptop> hey I have a question.
[12:32] <LinuxJones> Melectaus_, >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[12:32] <funkyHat> FX|Laptop, just ask :)
[12:32] <FX|Laptop> I have vlc, but all I get is a smaller box and no larger box for viewing a dvd
[12:33] <morgul_> I guess i'm gonna put the card back in the slot it was before
[12:33] <stevenj> is there someone here who knows about backports?
[12:33] <Strife[lab] > stevenj: what about them?
[12:34] <IIIEars> ubotu autologin is login to your desktop automatically on boot up.   http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/2056  ( cafuego - This isn't an "official" link. Okay addition? )
[12:34] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[12:34] <abydos> hmm
[12:34] <abydos> my sound card is still not working right
[12:35] <stevenj> Strife[lab]  well no matter how I try to install firefox 1.0.4 from backports I get errors [apt-get install firefox or apt-get install mozilla-firefox, or dist-upgrade]  what is the correct way to install backports firefox?
[12:35] <Strife[lab] > an upgrade or dist-upgrade should work...
[12:35] <Strife[lab] > stevenj: what kind of errors are you getting?
[12:36] <stevenj> Strife[lab] , I'll post in no paste -- let me recreate it
[12:36] <bluefox> can someo...no heh
[12:36] <pitti> FOLKS! New hoary firefox released which should actually work now
[12:36] <AlexMBas> anyone here uses mono?
[12:37] <bluefox> pitti,  help :(
[12:37] <bluefox> pitti,  mkfontdir and mkfontscale are gone on breezy :( workaround?
[12:37] <FX|Laptop> Here are the errors I get running from a terminal.....
[12:37] <Strife[lab] > pitti: about time, eh?
[12:37] <IIIEars> pitti - Yay! - got the link? - :)
[12:37] <FX|Laptop> libdvdnav: Menu Languages available: \uffff\uffff
[12:37] <pitti> bluefox: this is daniel's mess
[12:37] <pitti> IIIEars: typing the advisory now
[12:37] <bluefox> pitti, daniel banned me from #-devel
[12:38] <IIIEars> THANK YOU!
[12:38] <wulfepup> and pity us poor dial-up folks... the current 12+/- updates I need and upwards of 100MB  with a few in the 30+ range
[12:38] <bluefox> for bitching about X breaking in breezy
[12:38] <pitti> bluefox: sorry, my X is broken as well, I don't even have a proper keyboard
[12:38] <bluefox> pitti,  heh, I will find a 32 bit mkfontscale and copy it over. . .
[12:38] <MishaS> because xlibs package is empty, and xkeyboard-config does not have all necessary symbols (at least, symbols :))
[12:38] <pitti> bluefox: just downgrade to xbase-clients version 32
[12:38] <IIIEars> pitti - Do you need festival for everything on Breezy? - lol
[12:39] <bluefox> pitti,  command or must find/download?
[12:39] <funkyHat> meh... i just installed 1.0.4 from backports earlier :(
[12:39] <Dr_Fate> whoever thought it was a good idea to marry firefox to ubuntu, is probably kicking themselves right now, at least I hope, since I can't:(
[12:39] <IIIEars> lol
[12:39] <pitti> bluefox: try looking in /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:39] <bluefox> pitti,  empty dir :)
[12:39] <bluefox> Dr_Fate, ?
[12:39] <pitti> funkyHat: now you'll get 1.0.6 in hoary
[12:39] <FX|Laptop> hmmm
[12:39] <Strife[lab] > pitti: oh great, apt-get upgrade decided to fail
[12:39] <funkyHat> oooo :D
[12:40] <bluefox> pitti,  apt-get install links Z)
[12:40] <FX|Laptop> Welp thanks for the help anyways.
[12:40] <Strife[lab] > something in mozilla-firefox-gnome-support conflicts with something in mozilla-firefox
[12:40] <funkyHat> pitti, when?
[12:40] <Necrosan_> I'm trying to run a gameserver from this ubuntu machine
[12:40] <Necrosan_> but no matter what no ports open up on the external IP
[12:40] <stevenj> pitti, new patch today?
[12:40] <Necrosan_> what can i do to fix this crap?
[12:40] <pitti> stevenj: no, version 1.0.6. I gave up, mozilla code is a mess
[12:41] <funkyHat> Necrosan_, do you have firestarter installed?
[12:41] <Necrosan_> yep
[12:41] <bluefox> pitti,  1.0.6 is official in hory?
[12:41] <pitti> yes
[12:41] <Necrosan_> to share the internet
[12:41] <funkyHat> well i can't see it in synaptic :(
[12:41] <stevenj> pitti, yes I really ubuntu the best but the firefox problem...it a bad problem...its what I use my box for :)
[12:41] <funkyHat> Necrosan_, you should be able to use that to open up external ports
[12:41] <pitti> bluefox: it's totally against our policy of backporting, and I really hate it, but backporting mozilla crap^Wcode is a mess
[12:41] <wulfepup> Is there an ubuntu version I could run on an old 286 machine with only 64MB ram? (preferably with Gnome, not just a server version)
[12:41] <Necrosan_> funkyHat, I did.. it isnt working
[12:42] <amd3> how do I install vlc using apt-get
[12:42] <LasseL> 286?
[12:42] <bluefox> pitti,  I would like to see Deer Park in backports?  :)
[12:42] <pitti> in backports, for my sake :-)
[12:42] <funkyHat> wulfepup, xfce4 (another display manager, replacement for gnome, just in case) should run OK on that
[12:43] <parabola> "apt-get install vlc" ??
[12:43] <bluefox> pitti,  seriously though I want to test that, but installing it means things break
[12:43] <Necrosan_> I didn't even know 286 machines supported 64mb ram hahaha
[12:43] <funkyHat> haha
[12:43] <LasseL> can xfce4 be configured to look and work just like the default gnome setup?
[12:43] <IceDC571> Necrosan_: are you kidding me?
[12:43] <Necrosan_> LasseL, no
[12:43] <Necrosan_> IceDC571, Talk to wulfepup =P
[12:43] <stimpie> I
[12:43] <jhaa> LasseL <3
[12:43] <IceDC571> wulfepup: a 286 machine with 64mb of ram??
[12:44] <amd3> it says couldn't find package, i also tried videolan-client
[12:44] <LasseL> I really like, the default setup, but i dislike the speed and i also dislike the default feel of xfce
[12:44] <bluefox> damnit
[12:44] <bluefox> I can't find xbase-clients on archive.ubuntu.com
[12:44] <wulfepup> arrggghh... no.. sorry....  it's a p1 66 or similar..
[12:44] <funkyHat> LasseL, change it then ;)
[12:44] <parabola> hm
[12:44] <wulfepup> Lemme dbl chk
[12:44] <IIIEars> Ubutnu update manger seems to get the new firefox and firefox-gnome support.
[12:44] <LasseL> funkyHat, i can't it seems
[12:44] <stimpie> I've some issue installing mozilla-firefox-gnome-support (1.0.6) it conflicts with firefox-gnome-support
[12:45] <oni> got problems installing SDL
[12:45] <hybrid> IIIEars: hows it going
[12:45] <funkyHat> oh :S
[12:45] <IceDC571> whats the gnome-support for?
[12:45] <stevenj> Strife[lab] , did uninstall firefox 1.0.2 before installing backports firefox...its the only install method that does'nt break firefox
[12:45] <stimpie> should I remove firefox-gnome-support first?
[12:45] <IceDC571> i thought it already had gnome support
[12:45] <oni> can any1 help?
[12:45] <mmoscosa> question.... why cant i download a theme forme a weppage, i click on the link, loads and nothing happen, i have had this with some other rtings such as applications
[12:45] <Heimdall> hey hey roool
[12:45] <Heimdall> room
[12:45] <IIIEars> middle of a large d/l can't close firefox yet to see if the bug is resolved
[12:45] <eth42> oni: help on what?
[12:46] <oni> installing SDL
[12:46] <oni> I get this configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[12:46] <wulfepup> right.. P266  that's it
[12:46] <funkyHat> pitti, i can't see firefox 1.0.6 yet :(
[12:46] <eth42> oni: nope. what's that?
[12:46] <Necrosan_> can someone please help me? i cant get a gameserver to listen on my external ip addresss..
[12:46] <wulfepup> oy..  confusion
[12:46] <stevenj> I used firefox 1.0.6 today at work (winXP) and I tested 20 plugins and everything worked ;)
[12:46] <funkyHat> i suppose it could be NTL cache...
[12:46] <stevenj> its not a firefox problem
[12:47] <funkyHat> stevenj, firefox 1.0.6 was never broken on windows XP
[12:47] <oni> I do the thing that the INSTALL make me do and I get that: configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[12:47] <oni> make: *** No hay ninguna regla para construir el objetivo `install'.  Alto.
[12:47] <mmoscosa> Can anyone help me?!?!?! why cant i download a theme forme a weppage, i click on the link, loads and nothing happen, i have had this with some other rtings such as applications
[12:47] <Necrosan_> Can someone tell me if I have port 2593 open?
[12:48] <funkyHat> Necrosan_, yep, /msg me your IP
[12:48] <mikul> if i want to associate any program with a key kombination on my keyboard, how do i do then? :)
[12:48] <funkyHat> ooh, i feel silly *does whois*
[12:48] <stevenj> funkyHat, is it a ubuntu problem or just the linux build(s) of firefox
[12:48] <stimpie> Can someone help me with updating firefox? I get the following error: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package firefox
[12:48] <oni> anyone can help me installing SDL?
[12:48] <stevenj> stimpie, me too!
[12:48] <cjb> Hi.  Trying to upgrade to Breezy:  files list file for package `xserver-xorg-driver-glint' is missing final newline.  Any hints?
[12:49] <Necrosan_> 2593 and 2594 and 21 should be open
[12:49] <LasseL> stimpie, be careful there ...
[12:49] <oni> got ploblems compiling SDL
[12:50] <supernix> Hiya
[12:50] <supernix> I was curious if someone could help me with updating Firefox
[12:50] <supernix> everytime I try I get an error
[12:50] <stevenj> my ubuntu firefox is so messed up...I using mozilla ;)
[12:50] <supernix> something about couldn't update file because of overwriting or something
[12:51] <pitti> funkyHat: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/ <- it's right there
[12:51] <stimpie> supernix, looks like several of us have that issue
[12:51] <supernix> LOL ty God finaly im not alone
[12:51] <eth42> oni: c++ is installed??
[12:51] <jeffbrown> anyone know how I can install grellm?  (apt-get install gkrellm doesn't work)
[12:52] <stevenj> supernix, you talking about BP FF right?
[12:52] <oni> I think so, how I can check it?
[12:52] <jeffbrown> gkrellm, not grellm
[12:52] <leviathann> Anyone have any experience with nvidia-glx drivers?
[12:52] <bluefox> got it i think
[12:52] <stimpie> 'mozilla-firefox' is conflicting with 'firefox'
[12:52] <pitti> stimpie: yes, naturally
[12:52] <supernix> not sure what you mean about BP
[12:52] <oni> eth42: I think so, how I can check it?
[12:52] <stevenj> backports
[12:52] <pitti> stimpie: mozilla-firefox is obsolete in breezy
[12:52] <supernix> oh
[12:53] <bluefox> pitti,  what are the chances I can see a deer park in backports or universe that has ~/.mozilla/deerpark as the config dir instead of sharing with FireFox?
[12:53] <supernix> nah I don't think I have the backports sources in my list anymore
[12:53] <bluefox> :)
[12:53] <stevenj> so to install backports firefox-do you have completly uninstall everything firefox and yelp>?
[12:53] <bluefox> xrdb not found
[12:53] <citrus_> how do i get movie previews (icon images of the movie) in nautilus OR konqueror
[12:53] <wulfepup> leviathann: what did you want to know.. I might be able to help (probably not, but maybe) I use them.
[12:53] <funkyHat> pitti, do i have to uninstall 'firefox' and the other backports packages i installed in order to see mozilla-firefox 1.0.6?
[12:54] <bluefoxicy> woot
[12:54] <supernix> I have 1.04 of firefox installed
[12:54] <oni> eth42 ?
[12:54] <Necrosan_> funkyHat, anything?
[12:54] <funkyHat> Necrosan_, only 80 so far
[12:54] <stevenj> I wish there was some kind faq on the backports page for this issue
[12:55] <Necrosan_> can you access port 80?
[12:55] <leviathann> wulfepup, I installed nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings but it's not giving me any options for configuration, is there anything special I need to do. I also noticed that my refresh rate options are limited to 60hz, which is bad, I should at least get 75hz as an option.
[12:55] <eth42> oni: does g++ execute? (I think it should be this one...)
[12:55] <LasseL> stimpie, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51404
[12:55] <oni> eth42: teach me how to check if it execute
[12:55] <leviathann> wulfepup, also, when I click on one of the quicklaunch icons there are a quick flash of phantom lines on the screen, kind of annoying.
[12:56] <stimpie> Laney, thanx
[12:56] <eth42> oni: I mean, is /usr/bin/g++ installed? package g++.
[12:56] <Necrosan_> bbiab
[12:56] <funkyHat> i think i'll wait and see if apt can see firefox 1.0.6 tomorrow, it doesn't want to admit it's there at the moment :(
[12:56] <supernix> hmmmm seems that you can only get 1.06 from the backports
[12:56] <oni> eth42: apt-get told me not xD
[12:56] <supernix> or am I wrong ?
[12:57] <pitti> funkyHat: oh, of course; I never looked at backports, and we can't support them
[12:57] <stevenj> I just installed mozilla and its way faster than firefox
[12:57] <pitti> funkyHat: so obviously the backports guys messed up the package name
[12:57] <Razor-X> stevenj: what did you do to that poor fox?!
[12:57] <IIIEars> Okay, Updated firefox, firefox-gnome support using ubuntu update amnager. No problems so far. firefox begins d/l without right click "save link as..." and comeplete the d/l.
[12:57] <Razor-X> IMO, Firefox comes second to fastest rendering
[12:57] <funkyHat> pitti, but it still seems strange that i can't see 1.0.6 in synaptic even though i've got backports disabled?
[12:58] <mindwarp> IIIEars - same issue with firefox here
[12:58] <nalioth> funkyHat: i advise using the current firefox, the newer ones are a bucket of trouble atm
[12:58] <eth42> oni: so I would install it...
[12:58] <mindwarp> maybe someone should file a bug report?
[12:58] <Razor-X> uggghhh, I'm not liking the BT client in Opera
[12:58] <funkyHat> nalioth, eh?
[12:58] <pitti> funkyHat: update the lists first?
[12:58] <Razor-X> i'm getting 0 k/s up and 21 k/s down
[12:58] <Razor-X> which is sad
[12:58] <funkyHat> done, several times :P
[12:58] <stevenj> Razor-X, tried upgrade from backports because the "official fox" is broken, and I cant download with it and plugins crash it
[12:58] <oni> eth42: SDL is installing, ty!
[12:58] <nalioth> funkyHat: ff 104 and 106 are causing lots of traffic in #ubuntu today cuz they don't work
[12:58] <Razor-X> stevenj: did you change your version string?
[12:58] <eth42> oni: good!
[12:59] <leviathann> wulfepup, you still there?
[12:59] <nalioth> funkyHat: i advise you use the currently available 1.0.2 available from ubuntu
[12:59] <IIIEars> mindwarp - firefox and firefox-gnome have been updated again to fix the right click bug. (today?) just installed and that problem is fixed
[12:59] <Razor-X> hahahaha! we Opera users stand tall on our monolith! ;)
[12:59] <nalioth> Razor-X: opera is not free
[12:59] <funkyHat> nalioth, we are just discussing the fact taht 1.0.6 has been released in hoary
[12:59] <Razor-X> nalioth: ah well, be that as it may
[12:59] <Razor-X> hmmmm....
[12:59] <eth42> anyone using cups with browsing?
[12:59] <pluffsy> hello
[12:59] <nalioth> funkyHat: as a broken backport
[12:59] <leviathann> Are limewire/gtk-gnutella and gdesklets not available in the ubuntu reps?
[12:59] <Razor-X> I need a good torrent client, PLEASE
[12:59] <mindwarp> Razor-X - azureus
[01:00] <Razor-X> I don't know what magic Azureus works, it just does it... but it causes a 100% CPU error on my machine
[01:00] <leviathann> Razor-X, what mindwarp said
[01:00] <funkyHat> nalioth, besides, 1.0.2 is more broken than 1.0.4 from backports
[01:00] <nalioth> Razor-X: java plus well, java
[01:00] <pluffsy> sorry. I guess you get this all the time, but I didn't find the info. what are the main differences (just very very basic) between debian and ubuntu?
[01:00] <Razor-X> so, while Azureus gives me a nice strumming 100 k/s (and I love their console interface, fsck GUI man ;) I have errors
[01:00] <stevenj> Razor-X, yes
[01:00] <decklin> i snailmailed a friend of mine (using warty right now) a hoary cdrom. she's getting a can't check signature: public key not found from gpgv when trying to do apt-cdrom add. any ideas what i should tell her to do?
[01:00] <nalioth> funkyHat: then use galeon epiphany or kazehakase
[01:00] <mindwarp> pluffsy - if you have to ask ubuntu is for you
[01:00] <Razor-X> nalioth: it should have enough RAM to run on my modest box
[01:00] <supernix> ok just looked in synaptic this is crazy I have two listings one said firefox and the other says mozilla-firefox
[01:00] <Razor-X> I asked around in #azureus-users, and they said it's a problem
[01:00] <Razor-X> and so, now I need to migrate
[01:00] <stimpie> LasseL, that forum post basically tells me to switch to debian
[01:00] <nalioth> Razor-X: i just bought a new G5 imac, and azureus sucks on it, too
[01:01] <mindwarp> then use gnome torrent
[01:01] <Razor-X> and Azureus, aMule, and eMule are the only P2P clients that have good UPnP support
[01:01] <stevenj> pluffsy, I think debian uses xfree
[01:01] <Razor-X> mindwarp: i'ld prefer to be gnome free
[01:01] <pluffsy> mindwarp: heh. great. and I've already sort of decided on ubuntu the slogan is catchy. still would be nice to know very briefly. :)
[01:01] <Razor-X> any curses interfaces?
[01:01] <hybrid_goth> whats UPnP
[01:01] <mindwarp> well then hanging @ ubuntu channel may be a bad idea
[01:01] <Razor-X> I would love curses torrents as well
[01:01] <mindwarp> considering its the default DE
[01:01] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: Universal Plug and Play
[01:01] <pluffsy> stevenj: They just switched to X.org
[01:01] <Razor-X> an interface for devices like routers to dynamically supply the need to forward ports
[01:02] <mindwarp> pluffsy - ubuntu is desktop oriented, debian is everything oriented
[01:02] <stevenj> pluffsy cool...
[01:02] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: ah UPnP is unsafe
[01:02] <Razor-X> mindwarp: Debian is a nice desktop too
[01:02] <mindwarp> pluffsy - and debian, unless you run unstable, is way behind the curve of new software
[01:02] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: very slightly
[01:02] <pluffsy> right
[01:02] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: even leo agrees
[01:02] <supernix> hi
[01:02] <Razor-X> it is unsafe.... only to the extent that if someone breaks my box, then he can wreak havoc with my router
[01:02] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: UPnP is VERY unsafe in Windows
[01:02] <Razor-X> because Windows uses it's own UPnP layer
[01:03] <stevenj> does'nt most apps come from debian that ubuntu uses? :)
[01:03] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: true
[01:03] <Razor-X> in Linux it's much more safe because UPnP is application individual
[01:03] <hybrid_goth> ah
[01:03] <hybrid_goth> i see
[01:03] <Razor-X> and so, correctly implemented, it has it's weaknesses, but it's much stronger
[01:03] <Razor-X> trust Windows to fsck/bork a system-wide implementation of anything *shrugs*
[01:03] <DekaPink> Ubuntu doesn't love me. xD
[01:04] <IIIEars> Razor-X - upnp - always learn something new here. :)
[01:04] <supernix> does Linux do Upnp ?
[01:04] <Razor-X> ...weird, Opera uses the ports i've forwarded
[01:04] <Razor-X> I can tell that through my Packet Monitor
[01:04] <Razor-X> IIIEars: hah
[01:04] <Razor-X> supernix: it's application dependant
[01:04] <hybrid_goth> UPnP plug and play for the internet more or less
[01:04] <Razor-X> are there any nice CLI packet monitors?
[01:05] <eth42> DekaPink: Ubuntu IS love
[01:05] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: i'm really getting convinced by Leo that a Windows machine is not worth it nowadays
[01:05] <nalioth> Razor-X: like ethereal?
[01:05] <eth42> sorry
[01:05] <hybrid_goth> lol
[01:05] <Razor-X> a Mac if you want user friendly, a Linux if you want otherwise but powerful
[01:05] <Razor-X> nalioth: yeah, like Ethereal
[01:05] <Razor-X> Ethereal pwnz
[01:05] <DekaPink> eth42: I'd believe you if I could get my ATI Radeon card to work. xD
[01:05] <IIIEars> Razor-X - What is DCOM?
[01:05] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: good job! ;)
[01:06] <NuuB> what happened to modemlights in hoary?
[01:06] <Razor-X> IIIEars: it's some interface in Windows that is very badly implemented and highly exploitable, IIRC
[01:06] <Razor-X> I don't know that much about DCOM because I don't use it
[01:06] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: ;)
[01:06] <Razor-X> Windows == bad implementation
[01:06] <hybrid_goth> NuuB: modemlights?
[01:06] <hybrid_goth> is it a peice of software?
[01:06] <magog> i jus got my ubuntu discs :)
[01:07] <eth42> DekaPink: what's the problem exactly? (not that I know ATI Radeon......)
[01:07] <Razor-X> if M$ wants to survive, they need to make Windows less unified and more modular
[01:07] <stevenj> has anyone tried debian sarge?
[01:07] <DekaPink> eth42: Can't get any 3D acceleration.
[01:07] <Razor-X> that way, malware of any kind will have a harder time lodgining itself in the system
[01:07] <IIIEars> Razor-X - there are few free utils on "sheilds up!" gibson research to disable it. - glad i did.
[01:07] <Razor-X> IIIEars: ahhh, yeah
[01:07] <NuuB> modemlights was one of the items in the top menu panal for gnome
[01:07] <LasseL> debian sarge: a blast from the past :)
[01:07] <DekaPink> eth42: So games are all slow and/or not working.
[01:07] <Razor-X> I only borked Windows _once_
[01:07] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: i saw with leo. M$ needs to quite and stay with the xbox
[01:07] <eth42> DekaPink: which games?    hahahah
[01:07] <Razor-X> that's when INternet would die after 5 minutes of startup
[01:07] <hybrid_goth> NuuB: try a look in synaptic for gnome plugins
[01:08] <NuuB> warty had it, but its not there in hoary
[01:08] <DekaPink> eth42: Most all of them. :P
[01:08] <Razor-X> the _one_ thing I didn't try is rebuilding my WinSock's, but, at that point, I was keen to format that b*tch
[01:08] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: yeah, exactly
[01:08] <eth42> DekaPink: I suppose that there's no free driver with 3D support....
[01:08] <hybrid_goth> lol
[01:08] <Razor-X> it's time they say ``We're done, we've made enough money''
[01:08] <nalioth> Razor-X: leave windows alone, it likes to be alone
[01:08] <hybrid_goth> NuuB: it is prolly just a plugin look in synaptic
[01:08] <NuuB> i tried doing an apt-get for the package, but its still not in the panel menu
[01:08] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: very alone
[01:08] <Razor-X> nalioth: well, Leo brought up a good point to me
[01:08] <Razor-X> the majority of the users use Windows
[01:08] <IIIEars> windows is only safe when not connected to anything
[01:08] <DekaPink> eth42: I d'know... I know I've seen it work on linux before. :3 I'm guessing Ubuntu just doesn't like it yet. :3
[01:09] <hybrid_goth> NuuB: is the name right?
[01:09] <Razor-X> and so, these users _need_ something to protect themselves, those who quite aren't ready for Linux
[01:09] <Razor-X> IIIEars: no, it's _relatively_ safe
[01:09] <stevenj> a guy I work with convinced our boss from going from a novell network to a pure Windows server 2003  network...we have 8 or so 2003 servers
[01:09] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: now windows has a buffer over flow from USB drives
[01:09] <NuuB> should be, modemlights or modem lights
[01:09] <hybrid_goth> stevenj: sweet
[01:09] <Razor-X> stevenj: wow, what an idiot ;)
[01:09] <catlin> ok.. so i am relatively new to UBUNTU... and i was hoping that someone may be able to help me figure out how to get KDE to run as my GUI instead of Gnome if that is possible
[01:09] <stevenj> I hate windows server 2003
[01:09] <phixion> after a fresh install, what should my repositories list look like?
[01:09] <hybrid_goth> NuuB: _should_
[01:09] <NuuB> looking for synaptic still
[01:09] <Razor-X> catlin: you can try using Kubuntu, instead of Ubuntu
[01:09] <NuuB> yes, _should_
[01:09] <hybrid_goth> NuuB: try apt-cache search modem
[01:09] <Razor-X> Kubuntu uses KDE primarily instead of Gnome
[01:09] <DekaPink> catlin: sudo apt-get install kde
[01:09] <nalioth> catlin: install "kubuntu-desktop" and choose it at login from your sessions menu
[01:10] <eth42> DekaPink: if it runs on another linux, it should also run on ubuntu
[01:10] <DekaPink> eth42: And yet... xD
[01:10] <mjr> hybrid_goth, well, I heard firewire drives are inherently unsafe to plug-in, as they can do dma to memory ;)
[01:10] <NuuB> its part of a package install - no seperate install that i was able to find
[01:10] <Razor-X> nalioth: have they released new Eterm versions?
[01:10] <phixion> what should my repositories list look like? :/
[01:10] <catlin> nalioth: can that be found in Synaptic
[01:10] <nalioth> Razor-X: not yet
[01:10] <nalioth> catlin: yes it can
[01:10] <Razor-X> nalioth: I don't use the package, so I want to compile any new features in
[01:10] <stevenj> Razor-X, the only bad thing...I don't enough to make a strong argument...so now I will wait until his golden child bites our companies ass for it
[01:10] <IIIEars> lol - Okay. the next security patch is a clear colored hefty bag and twist tie? - type all commands through a layer of plastic and don't attach ANYTHING?
[01:10] <hybrid_goth> mjr: really?
[01:10] <Razor-X> are they going to make Eterm a bit more Xterm/Rxvt compatible (in the sense of encoding)?
[01:11] <eth42> DekaPink: what driver do you use, can you tell?
[01:11] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: heh
[01:11] <Razor-X> stevenj: I can argue one hundred and one ways
[01:11] <Razor-X> better yet, Leo Laporte put a fresh Windows install on the internet unprotected
[01:11] <mjr> hybrid_goth, this is what I read (though apparently you may be able to disable the DMA functionality at least on some firewire hosts)
[01:11] <DekaPink>  eth42: Uh... Whatever Ubuntu gives it by default, I guess. :3
[01:11] <catlin> kubuntu-desktop: no results
[01:11] <Razor-X> and in 5 minutes, it became infected with Sasser
[01:11] <Razor-X> that's why i've been seeing a lot of paranoid Windows users coming here nowadays
[01:11] <mjr> hybrid_goth, a quick google found me this: http://www.addict3d.org/index.php?page=viewarticle&type=security&ID=2426
[01:12] <nalioth> !tell catlin about sources
[01:12] <Razor-X> they live in a warzone, a fscking warzone
[01:12] <catlin> ah
[01:12] <nebular> why is there no 2.6.10 kernel source in hoary?
[01:12] <catlin> good ole sources
[01:12] <desrt> nebular; there is
[01:12] <desrt> nebular; apt-get install linux-source
[01:12] <Razor-X> it's a constant LotR style war against the multitudes of malware
[01:12] <Razor-X> nebular: what desrt said
[01:12] <stevenj> Razor-X, it sucks....it is constantly being the servers down to patch them...and he very parinoid and will not get anyone admin rights...maybe we will get a virus and then they will know I was right
[01:12] <catlin> i believe that must mean i gotta edit some of the repositories
[01:12] <Razor-X> I wish you luck compiling your own kernel!
[01:12] <nalioth> catlin: stand by
[01:13] <hybrid_goth> mjr: sweet!
[01:13] <Razor-X> stevenj: Novell outpaces Windows hundred-fold
[01:13] <Razor-X> but, BSD is the best for a server
[01:13] <nalioths_dog> catlin: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[01:13] <nalioths_dog> catlin: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:13] <Razor-X> that guy needs a better IT department, seriously
[01:13] <nebular> ah, I was looking for kernel-source
[01:13] <hybrid_goth> bsd is best security
[01:13] <eth42> DekaPink: just a guess: add  Load "dri" and Load "glx"  into the modules section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:13] <Razor-X> BSD is rock solid
[01:13] <Razor-X> hard to use, but rock solid
[01:13] <hybrid_goth> if you want no package to come in without out your safe chose bsd
[01:13] <n0nya> good morning nalioth
[01:13] <stevenj> Razor-X, this guy even talked his way for a ISA server good God
[01:13] <hybrid_goth> OpenBSD one hole in 8 yrs
[01:13] <Razor-X> if you want to go to DefCon with an _installed_ OS, then you're going to need BSD
[01:14] <DekaPink> eth42: Thanks, I'll try that. :)
[01:14] <nalioth> catlin: the dogs ifno should fix you up
[01:14] <Razor-X> stevenj: I can draft something for your boss ;)
[01:14] <nalioth> n0nya: howdy
[01:14] <stevenj> Razor-X, I would like that
[01:14] <Razor-X> my suggestion for you DefConers is the following:
[01:14] <stevenj> Razor-X, thanks
[01:14] <Razor-X> bring a bad laptop
[01:14] <n0nya> will call u afterwhile, am hungry
[01:14] <DekaPink> eth42: Those are already there. :3
[01:14] <Razor-X> stevenj: i'll discuss it in a PM in a minute
[01:14] <Razor-X> bring a Linux Live CD
[01:15] <n0nya> my filthy phone is on again
[01:15] <Razor-X> ask at least 2 of your sysadmin friends for SSH shells
[01:15] <n0nya> had to buy a charger
[01:15] <catlin> :-\
[01:15] <n0nya> left mine in tn
[01:15] <Razor-X> port forward your ports through the various SSH shells you have
[01:15] <mjr> hybrid_goth, to be precise, I just found indications that at least some firewire adapters also allow for filtering of dma requests, if the operating system supports it (I haven't really followed if support has been added since that vulnerability was publicized)
[01:15] <Razor-X> then chain through as many proxies as possible
[01:15] <catlin> what is the equivalent to a right click in Ubuntu if you have a Mac
[01:15] <eth42> DekaPink: what does "glxinfo | grep rendering" say?
[01:15] <catlin> i was thinking control
[01:15] <catlin> or command
[01:15] <catlin> then i thought a combo key of fn
[01:15] <Razor-X> and, oh yeah, do NOT use UPnP under ANY circumstances
[01:15] <Razor-X> disable ping responses
[01:16] <hybrid_goth> catlin: try shift click
[01:16] <catlin> but i am not sure what else
[01:16] <nalioth> catlin: f12 key
[01:16] <Razor-X> if you can, get a paranoid iptables script that only allows passive HTTP
[01:16] <DekaPink> eth42: direct rendering: No
[01:16] <pluffsy> are there someway to make curl continue where you left of downloading a file from http? I've read the man pages, and maybe I'm just stupid but I don't find anything but append which doesn't seem right.
[01:16] <Razor-X> there ya go, DefCon advice ;)
[01:16] <leviathann> what version of firefox is broken?
[01:16] <Razor-X> pluffsy: I don't think so
[01:16] <Razor-X> curl is a bit old
[01:16] <hybrid_goth> curl is nice
[01:16] <Razor-X> the only good feature of curl is that you can download multiple URLs at once
[01:16] <catlin> thanx nalioth
[01:16] <hybrid_goth> but wget owns everything
[01:16] <Razor-X> and the fact that curl puts to stdout
[01:17] <Razor-X> which equates to some bad shit when downloading multiple files
[01:17] <pluffsy> darn... I'm on macosx so I've got no wget right now.
[01:17] <Razor-X> pluffsy: they have wget ports for Mac OS X
[01:17] <pluffsy> Razor-X: yeah. But I like it by default like ubuntu ;)
[01:17] <Razor-X> pluffsy: so? ;)
[01:17] <Razor-X> customize your interface
[01:17] <IIIEars> Use statically assigned ip addresses where you can. - my consumer grade router and several others have a flaw that allows them to be reflashed using dhcp. (doh)
[01:17] <Razor-X> my Ubuntu's heavily modified ;)
[01:18] <Razor-X> IIIEars: oh yeah, that too
[01:18] <Razor-X> bring a static IP
[01:18] <Razor-X> your best bet is to allow only incoming and outgoing passive HTTP
[01:18] <Razor-X> because -- everyone is on the same network as you are
[01:18] <pluffsy> Razor-X: Is wget avalible via errrm what's it called. That porting project.
[01:18] <Razor-X> (or just SSH in and out)
[01:18] <Razor-X> pluffsy: Darwin?
[01:18] <pluffsy> noo
[01:18] <pluffsy> Fink
[01:18] <Razor-X> i'm pretty sure it's already there
[01:18] <hybrid_goth> Fink is nice
[01:19] <Razor-X> Windows has a port, and BSD has native wget
[01:19] <hybrid_goth> fink = mac cygwin
[01:19] <Razor-X> so, i'll bet Mac OS X does too
[01:19] <hybrid_goth> osx has wget if i remember correctly
[01:19] <hybrid_goth> panther did
[01:19] <pluffsy> last time I tried Fink it didn't work at all with my swedish keyboard or something so I got a bit scared off. I'll try it agian sometime
[01:19] <pluffsy> hybrid_goth: well in that case it was well hidden in my panther and tiger...
[01:19] <Razor-X> Mac works fine with Dvorak, from what i've seen
[01:19] <IIIEars> running a server and files from a tailored live DVD seems the only maintanace free way to do it. (no blogs from the home machine. :(  )
[01:19] <Razor-X> IIIEars: exactly
[01:20] <hybrid_goth> pluffsy: open the terminal and type wget google.com
[01:20] <hybrid_goth> should work
[01:20] <pluffsy> hybrid_goth: command not found :)
[01:20] <Razor-X> but, remember, you're on the same INTRANET as a bunch of DefCon hackers
[01:20] <Razor-X> which means, you want _only_ passive SSH incoming and outgoing connections
[01:20] <hybrid_goth> sigh
[01:20] <Razor-X> and make sure you're connecting via SSH2
[01:20] <hybrid_goth> =/
[01:20] <pluffsy> hybrid_goth: maybe you used Fink or something to install it?
[01:20] <Razor-X> else you'll get buffer overflowed like _that_
[01:21] <Razor-X> (that was my first exploit in my first wargames -- SSH Nuke ;)
[01:21] <supernix> this is the error I keep getting about ff
[01:21] <hybrid_goth> pluffsy: dont think so b/c it was at a school i was volunteering
[01:21] <hybrid_goth> anyways back on topic
[01:21] <catlin> :-\
[01:21] <Razor-X> maybe we should compile some DefCon advice
[01:21] <Razor-X> also, I suggest your Live CD be Knoppix STD
[01:21] <Razor-X> since it is security minded
[01:22] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: phlak
[01:22] <catlin> this is actually relatively faster than the warty version i demoed like a year ago on a buddy's computer
[01:22] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: never heard of that
[01:22] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: ?!?!
[01:22] <Sputn1k> When i tryng to open a film with mplayer, only film screen opens, but it didnt shows film, i got win32codecs, output set to: xv
[01:22] <MartenH> Is there a message-bot in here?
[01:22] <hybrid_goth> Professional hackers linux assualt kit
[01:22] <IIIEars> phlak's authors make me worry what is hidden in the iso. FreeBSD please, - lol
[01:23] <othernoob> how do i update azureus 2.3.0.0 to 2.3.0.4?
[01:23] <hybrid_goth> get the .deb
[01:23] <hybrid_goth> unless it is in hoary apt
[01:23] <Collin> ok i have been using linux for 1 day
[01:23] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: thats where i found of tripwire is phlak
[01:23] <catlin> yay
[01:23] <citrus_> how do upgrade to breezy
[01:23] <Collin> and i need to get a DCHP server going
[01:23] <citrus_> ?
[01:24] <catlin> you are now an official GURU
[01:24] <catlin> jst kidding
[01:24] <MartenH> I'm anout to give up on Ubuntu and linux... hitting the sack now, one last attempt tomorrow, sure hope I get it working!
[01:24] <Collin> but the online guide dosn't seem to work
[01:24] <IIIEars> Collin - Welcome!
[01:24] <Collin> lol
[01:24] <Collin> thank youy
[01:24] <othernoob> hybrid_goth: that is not the way it should be
[01:24] <catlin> god bless T3 internet
[01:24] <Collin> beats windows
[01:24] <Collin> lol
[01:24] <hybrid_goth> othernoob: ?
[01:24] <catlin> i just finished downloading almost 56 of the 165 packages in mere moments
[01:24] <IIIEars> tripwire is very good - takes a bit of time and knowledge to decipher logs.
[01:25] <catlin> well... i am going to go cook some food now
[01:25] <Collin> can nayone help on the DCHP server
[01:25] <Collin> ?
[01:25] <othernoob> hybrid_goth: azureus has an updater, it only requires to get the latest core. but it doesn't work on ubuntu
[01:25] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: i know ppl that use tripwire instead of a firewall
[01:25] <Marupa> has anyone here tried to install ubuntu from knoppix livecd?
[01:25] <hybrid_goth> othernoob: well then IDK
[01:26] <IIIEars> was hoping development would start again on "ip personality" - use a profile to mimic a weaker OS. (Windows? - lol)
[01:26] <citrus_> how do upgrade to breezy
[01:26] <Collin> don';t do it
[01:26] <Collin> not yet
[01:26] <funkyHat> citrus_, dont
[01:26] <nalioth> citrus_: do you have a whole seperate machine?
[01:26] <Collin> yes
[01:26] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: OS spoofing? heh nmap had a feature like that. IDK if they still do
[01:26] <citrus_> no
[01:26] <citrus_> but i have an extra partition
[01:27] <hybrid_goth> citrus_: are you a mad 31337 programing and debuging pro?
[01:27] <citrus_> lol
[01:27] <citrus_> no
[01:27] <jasoncohen> then don't!
[01:27] <citrus_> i just want to check it out
[01:27] <hybrid_goth> breezy isnt the best way to go
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> IIIEars: the IP personality is intrinsically tied to the way the TCP/IP stack works
[01:27] <jasoncohen> believe me- you only want to use it as a testing box
[01:27] <citrus_> i have another partition that i can use  tho
[01:27] <hybrid_goth> unless you wanna learn the command line
[01:27] <jasoncohen> it's quite unstable at the moment
[01:27] <Collin> very much so
[01:27] <jasoncohen> citrus_, expect X not too work
[01:27] <jasoncohen> *to work
[01:27] <funkyHat> citrus_, breezy is broken at the moment, also it isn't likely to _look_ much different to hoary
[01:27] <citrus_> why is it so unstable right now?
[01:27] <Collin> it didn't for me
[01:28] <hybrid_goth> citrus_: you will learn to use w3m links2 wget irssi emacs etc
[01:28] <Collin> plus X froze my cpu when i tried to debug
[01:28] <citrus_> i know how to use all that
[01:28] <citrus_> except what is w3m
[01:28] <ghostdog> any experiences with udev and ipod?
[01:28] <hybrid_goth> citrus_: thats all you will be using
[01:28] <citrus_> lol
[01:28] <citrus_> no x huh?
[01:28] <hybrid_goth> citrus_: w3m is defualt cli browser
[01:28] <hybrid_goth> none
[01:28] <ghostdog> udev is not creating /dev/ipod node
[01:28] <hybrid_goth> links2 -g even crashes
[01:29] <citrus_> why is it so unstable  it has a release date october
[01:29] <hybrid_goth> oct != now
[01:29] <citrus_> LOL
[01:29] <citrus_> thanks
[01:29] <hybrid_goth> X is bugged major
[01:29] <hybrid_goth> citrus_: if they dont fix it X may not be updated
[01:29] <citrus_> hybrid_gothL have you tried it
[01:30] <hybrid_goth> yup
[01:30] <mmoscosa> Can anyone help me?!?!?! why cant i download a theme forme a weppage, i click on the link, loads and nothing happen, i have had this with some other rtings such as applications
[01:30] <thundrcleeze> My dad just shut down the ubuntu box I made for him by pressing the power button for 5 seconds until it shut off, now the BIOS won't even recognize the cd-rom drive, let alone the hard drive.  Any suggestions? :)
[01:30] <citrus_> what are the plans for it ?  just more updated programs  or is there sposed to be some crazy new ubuntu look to it
[01:30] <hybrid_goth> citrus_: i am running a livecd on my moms box b/c i couldnt get breezy to work and am waiting for tiger
[01:30] <hybrid_goth> then dual boot
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> thundrcleeze: slap him upside the head
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> thundrcleeze: that shouldn't happen
[01:31] <metrix> I am needing to VPN in from my ubuntu box to work and I need to know which vpn program uses the same vpn protocol as a stock windows 2000 box. does anyone know what I should use?
[01:31] <thundrcleeze> HrdwrBoB, no, it shouldn't.  It shouldn't be a linux problem, just a hardware problem.
[01:31] <jasoncohen> metrix, PPTP
[01:31] <jasoncohen> metrix, which is crap btw
[01:31] <IIIEars> waiting for  - ubuntu 7.0 "frighten the tiger"
[01:31] <citrus_> can't you just use an older X with breezy
[01:31] <ghostdog> ssh + x forwading?
[01:32] <jasoncohen> metrix, use openvpn + use the windows client on 2000. that's a much better solution and more expandable/powerful/secure!
[01:32] <benplaut> wait... what just changed in the topic?
[01:32] <jasoncohen> ghostdog, VPN is nicer for some purposes because you can do anything you could on the actual network.
[01:32] <NuuB> ok, getting somewhere (maybe) - found "/usr/share/gnome-applets/glade/modemlights.glade" - but i dont know what it's significance is, if any
[01:32] <crimsun> benplaut, mozilla-firefox 1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1
[01:32] <hybrid_goth> benplaut: you on shrooms?
[01:33] <thundrcleeze> HrdwrBoB, the hard drive light stays on, so I'm assuming it's fried.  Any suggestions, or should I just drop kick the box out the door (as well as my father)?
[01:33] <benplaut> oh
[01:33] <metrix> jasoncohen: openvpn + the windows client? I'm not sure I understand.. are you saying I should pull the windows client off of the cd and use it emulated on ubuntu?
[01:33] <jasoncohen> metrix, sorry- openvpn has a windows client
[01:33] <joolz> good evening
[01:33] <jasoncohen> metrix, http://openvpn.net/
[01:34] <joolz> any sign of a firefox / hoary solution yet?
[01:34] <TheSin> does ubuntu have a package search site like pacakges.debian.org?
[01:34] <br3ndan> anyone know where to find the rfc1345 input method for emacs in ubuntu hoary?
[01:34] <jasoncohen> metrix, openvpn is available on ubuntu in universe. there's an excellent howto here- http://openvpn.net/howto.html
[01:34] <metrix> jasoncohen: ahh ok! thank you :)
[01:34] <TheSin> sepcifically for breezy?
[01:34] <jasoncohen> metrix, openvpn uses public key authentication and TLS encryption
[01:34] <crimsun> joolz, 1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1 is in hoary-security
[01:34] <joolz> crimsun: thx!
[01:34] <IIIEars> "Please don't use BREEZY until it's Oct. release."   ?
[01:34] <joolz> crimsun: is that an officla repos?
[01:34] <joolz> ial
[01:35] <crimsun> hoary-security is an official repo.
[01:35] <jasoncohen> metrix, you can use public key authentication or use static keys
[01:35] <vader1102> IIIEars: I am afraid to after the questions I have seen in here about it lol
[01:35] <parabolize> joolz, I just removed firefox and installed the 'mozilla-firefox'. looks like it worked
[01:35] <jasoncohen> metrix, if you use public keys (SSL/TLS with public certificates), you can have hundreds of clients, fallback servers, load balancing, CRLs, encrypted keys etc.
[01:36] <learn25> Hi all.
[01:36] <jasoncohen> openvpn is much more secure than PPTP and will work on windows & linux
[01:36] <jasoncohen> as a server and a client
[01:36] <parabolize> joolz, just don't --purge
[01:36] <thundrcleeze> HrdwrBoB, I didn't think so. :)
[01:36] <TheSin> IIIEars, I use breezy
[01:36] <joolz> parabolize: i'm on hoary, so i guess there's only m-ff for me :)
[01:36] <TheSin> just don't use it if you want X11
[01:36] <metrix> jasoncohen, I think I understand. I have a sheet here in front of me that just tells me to have windows point to an ip address, and gives me a username and password to use.  It doesn't say anything about the encryption that is used.
[01:36] <IIIEars> vader - some interesting tweaks needed for fonts/resizing them, compiler is different also (guru level knowledge needed to run it.)
[01:36] <TheSin> it's a mess withthe XOrg switch
[01:36] <learn25> How come when i attempt to upgrade to firefox 1.0.6 the installation got an error? Ubuntu bugs???
[01:36] <br3ndan> anyone know where to find the rfc1345 input method for emacs in ubuntu hoary?
[01:36] <TheSin> missing all the font utils so it won't even start as is
[01:37] <vini> please, how can I install mplayer?
[01:37] <crimsun> learn25, there are no Ubuntu bugs upgrading to 1.0.6
[01:37] <benplaut> i'm not getting wind of any updates, for some reason
[01:37] <vader1102> IIIEars: I don't plan on using it until they send me a disk withit on it and everything I read in here says it is ok lol
[01:37] <learn25> there is
[01:37] <jasoncohen> metrix, that's PPTP- it uses passwords for authentication which usually can be easily broken. it's hard to centrally administer accounts and it has security flaws
[01:37] <crimsun> vini, wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:37] <parabolize> joolz, im in hoary to... the 'firefox' package must be from backports.
[01:37] <jasoncohen> it uses MPPE - 128 bit encryption based off RC4 i belive
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> jasoncohen: which has systemic flaws
[01:37] <learn25> i have a message in my ubuntu there is an update: firefox 1.0.6
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> and has been broken in more than one way
[01:38] <jasoncohen> HrdwrBoB, yup
[01:38] <crimsun> learn25, mozilla-firefox, yes.
[01:38] <JingleBells> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package firefox
[01:38] <HrdwrBoB> which means, any kidder can break it
[01:38] <jasoncohen> that's why PPTP is just not worth it
[01:38] <joolz> parabolize: ooooh baby! YES! it's there, finally!
[01:38] <JingleBells> i get ^^ when updating to firefox 1.0.6
[01:38] <metrix> jasoncohen: ahh. I see
[01:38] <HrdwrBoB> kiddy even
[01:38] <learn25> but gotan error when i tried to update
[01:38] <IIIEars> vader1102 - "" - call me lazy if you like i'll just be surfing and using my favorite apps while you Breezy users recompile things
[01:38] <crimsun> JingleBells, the error's staring you in the face. *cough*backports
[01:38] <bob2> JingleBells: you're using breezy or backports?
[01:38] <JingleBells> hedgehog
[01:39] <JingleBells> you're saying I have to remove firefox before updating?
[01:39] <joolz> imnsho last fridays firefox was one of the worst things that happened to ubuntu ever
[01:39] <jasoncohen> JingleBells, he's saying you're using backports
[01:39] <crimsun> JingleBells, yes, because you installed from backports, which is absolutely not recommended.
[01:39] <jasoncohen> so you're not upgrading from a hoary package
[01:39] <bob2> joolz: ?
[01:39] <jasoncohen> crimsun, i'm not sure you're correct
[01:39] <JingleBells> the update manager in the top corner popped up with it
[01:39] <joolz> bob2: maybe i should have added the keyword hoary
[01:39] <jasoncohen> crimsun, the version # on backports is higher.
[01:40] <thundrcleeze> I'm curious why it says firefox is broken, it seems to work fine for me, or is it a security flaw?
[01:40] <joolz> no tabs, no plugins. For me that's as good as: no ff
[01:40] <jasoncohen> crimsun,  1.0.6-1ubuntu1~5.04ubp1
[01:40] <parabolize> joolz, firefox in hoary would be a bit better
[01:40] <jasoncohen> crimsun, v. official = 1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1.
[01:40] <parabolize> :)
[01:40] <clambert_> are the us ubuntu apt mirrors offline?
[01:40] <bob2> joolz: the problem was the upstream developers not being as careful as they should be
[01:40] <jasoncohen> thundrcleeze, it's broken with some extensions
[01:41] <thundrcleeze> jasoncohen, no security flaw, though?
[01:41] <joolz> bob2: yes, i guess
[01:41] <jasoncohen> clambert_, they've been semi-broken for a while now
[01:41] <jasoncohen> thundrcleeze, no
[01:41] <JingleBells> only diff between 1.0.6 and 1.0.5 is extension API
[01:41] <JingleBells> so how do I go about fixing this error?
[01:41] <thundrcleeze> joolz, tabs seem to work okay with me.
[01:41] <joolz> bob2: i don't mean to knock ubuntu, but this was a really bad mistake
[01:41] <jasoncohen> JingleBells, dpkg -l mozilla-firefox
[01:41] <JingleBells> will that lose my profile info?
[01:41] <jasoncohen> paste the "ii mozilla-firefox' line
[01:42] <crimsun> jasoncohen, I'm not sure what you're referring to regarding "correct"
[01:42] <soultaker> hello to all
[01:42] <jasoncohen> crimsun, i was saying that if he had 1.0.6 from backports-staging, he wouldn't be asked to upgrade to 1.0.6 from hoary
[01:42] <vini> then... how can I change subtitles size on Totem?
[01:42] <jasoncohen> but if he's using 1.0.4 from backports it would cause the problem
[01:43] <jasoncohen> crimsun, because the versioning on the backports package is higher than on the 1.0.6 hoary package
[01:43] <parabolize> joolz, I just used the backports package for the time. :)
[01:43] <soultaker> I have a question of the screen saver lightning  is black is not show anything I just install the Nvidia drives
[01:43] <crimsun> jasoncohen, right, but I made no distinction between backports*
[01:43] <bob2> there is no 1.0.6 hoary package
[01:43] <Dr_Melectaus_> is sit0 my wifi card?
[01:43] <jasoncohen> yeah, i forgot that 1.0.6 was in staging
[01:43] <jasoncohen> bob2, don't you sign up for security notices?
[01:43] <bob2> joolz: right, upstream didn't test their security fix properly
[01:43] <jasoncohen> bob2, just sent 6:50 PM EST today
[01:44] <joolz> well, ff 1.0.6 from hoary-security seems to work ok. Thx people! :)
[01:44] <IIIEars> soultaker - i am a bit new. you may need nvidia-glx
[01:44] <soultaker> i got
[01:44] <jasoncohen> Dr_Melectaus_, no- probably your modem
[01:44] <bob2> ouch
[01:44] <vader1102> IIIEars: I am a lot new lol
[01:44] <soultaker> i got it know the screen looks cool
[01:45] <soultaker> like is using my video card on the right way
[01:45] <jasoncohen> JingleBells, what does dpkg -l mozilla-firefox show you?
[01:45] <Dr_Melectaus_> jasoncohen, i doubt it, i use a bridged connection via a cat5 cross over, and eth0 is the other one on the list
[01:45] <jasoncohen> if you have backports and you want 1.0.6 you'll need to remove mozilla-firefox and firefox and install from hoary
[01:45] <JingleBells> ii  mozilla-firefox 1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5 dummy transitional package
[01:45] <IIIEars> soultaker - wish i knew the command line check fo GL in XORG. - could it be that GL isn't enabled?
[01:45] <jasoncohen> Dr_Melectaus_, no modem?
[01:46] <Dr_Melectaus_> jasoncohen, i get my internet connection via eth0
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> IIIEars: glxinfo
[01:46] <jasoncohen> Dr_Melectaus_, i usually see wireless as eth+1 (eth1 or eth2) or ath0 for atheros
[01:46] <soultaker> okdoky i need to enable the GL
[01:46] <citrus_> soultaker:  make sure   nvidia-glx  nvidia-kernel are installed  and then "sudo modprobe nvidia" then edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file says driver "nvidia"  instead of driver "nv" then "sudo killall gdm" then run gdm and it should start your nvidia xorg
[01:46] <Dr_Melectaus_> its n edimax
[01:46] <soultaker> cool you are tell me the solution let me serch on my lenguaje
[01:46] <Dr_Melectaus_> wif0 or wifi0 or something
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> soultaker: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:47] <soultaker> thanks
[01:47] <soultaker> :)
[01:47] <vader1102> Dr_Melectaus: mine is ath
[01:47] <Dr_Melectaus_> For some reason my cd/dvd drive wont detect data DVD's
[01:47] <Dr_Melectaus_> it detects Movie DVD's
[01:47] <IIIEars> HrdwrBoB - You might just make a competent linux user out of me yet. - If i am not too careful - rofl
[01:48] <JingleBells> so how do I fix this problem?
[01:48] <Dr_Melectaus_> but it wont mount data dvds
[01:48] <Dr_Melectaus_> anyone know if this is a common prob
[01:48] <Dr_Melectaus_> or of a way to fix it
[01:48] <rgould> Does ubuntu come with a command line program to generate md5 files?
[01:48] <rgould> n/m
[01:48] <crimsun> JingleBells, purge firefox, and install/update mozilla-firefox
[01:48] <jasoncohen> JingleBells, as crimsun suspected, you have backports installed
[01:48] <IIIEars> rgould "md5sum"
[01:48] <mdipi> Hey all, I'm having a problem with my dual boot OS X/Ubuntu setup, I updated OS X recently, and now my yaboot has disapeared, and I have no clue what I should do, anyone think that they can help?
[01:49] <rgould> IIIEars, thanks
[01:49] <jasoncohen> crimsun, he needs to purge- not just uninstall?
[01:49] <jasoncohen> JingleBells, sudo apt-get remove mozilla-firefox
[01:49] <jasoncohen> sorry- sudo apt-get remove firefox mozilla-firefox
[01:49] <jasoncohen> then "sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox"
[01:49] <citrus_> i would really like to get movie preview (icon image of the movie) working in nautilus  i know it can be done. can anyone help?
[01:50] <crimsun> jasoncohen, removing may suffice, but I tend not to suggest solutions that may work
[01:50] <soultaker> Identifier      "NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] "
[01:50] <soultaker>         Driver          "nvidia"
[01:50] <soultaker>         BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
[01:50] <Dr_Melectaus_> For some reason my cd/dvd drive wont detect data DVD's
[01:50] <Dr_Melectaus_> anyone know if this is a common prob
[01:50] <Dr_Melectaus_> or of a way to fix it
[01:50] <JingleBells> ah ta, running 1.0.6
[01:50] <soultaker> i love linux!!!!!
[01:50] <JingleBells> it seems when setting up ubuntu with repositories i added a "backport" repository
[01:50] <JingleBells> i take it they are bad?
[01:51] <citrus_> i use em
[01:51] <jasoncohen> JingleBells, they aren't necessarily bad but they can break things
[01:51] <mdipi> anyone think they know about a workaround for the problem above?
[01:51] <jasoncohen> it should be better when it actually goes official and begins using the ubuntu repos
[01:51] <jasoncohen> it's technically official now
[01:51] <jasoncohen> JingleBells, most people should just use hoary packages unless you need something from backports
[01:52] <JingleBells> right, i've unselected that from the package manager too :)
[01:52] <JingleBells> how about hoary-extras?
[01:53] <jasoncohen> hoary-extras includes packages that haven't been included in hoary - many for legal reasons
[01:53] <jasoncohen> like libdvdcss2 for commercial dvd playback, w32codecs for realplayer, quicktime, windows media video, transcode etc
[01:53] <catlin> omg it's changing
[01:53] <IIIEars> midipi - this what if found. - i hope it helps http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-30321.html  ndex of /packages/ubuntu/ubuntu/pool/main/y/yaboot-installer
[01:53] <catlin> look everybody... it's changing
[01:53] <catlin> take that sub-space
[01:54] <mdipi> IIIEars: Thanks! I'll look there now
[01:54] <catlin> mmm... nocharge is my favorite word
[01:55] <catlin> that and free
[01:55] <catlin> those are my favorite words
[01:55] <Dr_Melectaus_> Does anyone here know how to install the drivers for a PCMCIA WiFi card?
[01:55] <catlin> yea pop in the CD and click the setup.exe
[01:55] <Dr_Melectaus_> i have the windows disc and it has the drivers on it. i cant find any help on wiki
[01:55] <catlin> and viola
[01:55] <vader1102> which card?
[01:55] <Dr_Melectaus_> catlin, its a windows disc
[01:55] <Dr_Melectaus_> edimax
[01:55] <qt2> might anyon reccomend some good, simple RSS readers?
[01:55] <catlin> oh...
[01:56] <vader1102> what chipset?
[01:56] <Dr_Melectaus_> edimax ew-7108pcg
[01:56] <catlin> you aren't using windows?
[01:56] <gpd_> qt2 lifera
[01:56] <Dr_Melectaus_> im useing ubuntu
[01:56] <catlin> what the hell other operating systems are there?
[01:56] <catlin> WINDOWS IS THE ONLY ONE
[01:56] <catlin> kidding
[01:56] <catlin> haha
[01:56] <Dr_Melectaus_> O_o
[01:56] <catlin> joking
[01:56] <catlin> i use Mac OS X
[01:56] <catlin> and Ubuntu
[01:56] <Dr_Melectaus_> vader1102, how do i find out the chipset O_o
[01:57] <vader1102> Dr_Melectaus: google it
[01:57] <catlin> bbl.. gotta go bury my dog
[01:57] <catlin> :-(
[01:57] <joolz> catlin: bon appetit
[01:57] <joolz> (just kidding)
[01:57] <Dr_Melectaus_> it says on wiki under my card for chipset " niswrapper -i NET8180.INF"
[01:57] <vader1102> then google that
[01:58] <vader1102> and do what it says for ubuntu
[01:58] <Dr_Melectaus_> uhm, vader1102. what am i looking for when i google for it?
[01:58] <vader1102> "nidiwrapper -i net8180 ubuntu
[01:58] <vader1102> ndiswrapper^^
[01:59] <mdipi> IIIEars: Thanks, but that assumes OS X isnt there right now :-/ And I cant uninstall, Yaboot is before my OS X partition but my swap and Ubuntu partitions are after
[01:59] <qt2> gpd_, err, how about one available in synaptic?
[02:00] <Dr_Melectaus_> vader1102, what am i googleing for
[02:00] <Dr_Melectaus_> i was asking in here because its a tad easier. Ive tried google and wiki and got jack shit
[02:01] <vader1102> one sec
[02:01] <Dr_Melectaus_> kk
[02:01] <catlin> jack shit??
[02:01] <Dr_Melectaus_> yes
[02:01] <catlin> is that some new actor
[02:01] <catlin> ?
[02:01] <Dr_Melectaus_> not jack schit
[02:01] <gpd_> qt2 apt-get install liferea
[02:02] <catlin> ok.. so now that i setup kubuntu do i have to restart for changes to take effect?
[02:04] <catlin> do i?
[02:04] <gpd_> catlin: unlikely... just log out and login with kde session
[02:04] <drew> !mountwindows
[02:04] <ubotu> it has been said that mountwindows is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[02:04] <vader1102> Dr_Melectaus: I am looking to see what other people have used
[02:04] <phixion> what's the command to find my ip on my lan?
[02:05] <darinlh> ifconfig
[02:05] <huttan> Hi, I got my wireless network working yesterday, and today when I reboot my laptop it doesnt work and it gives me "failed to send SSID" on startup
[02:05] <phixion> thx mate
[02:05] <darinlh> np ;)
[02:05] <huttan> can anyone tell me what an SSID is, and how I set it up please?
[02:06] <uber_newber> hey everyone i wanna install my lynksis wireless b usb network adapter and so far iv heard i need drivers. so i have 2 of them.
[02:06] <Dr_Melectaus_> thanks vader1102
[02:06] <Dr_Melectaus_> vader1102, where abouts are you looking
[02:06] <uber_newber> using tecra 8000 toshiba proc 2
[02:06] <vader1102> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5645&page=2
[02:06] <vader1102> try that
[02:06] <Dr_Melectaus_> if you checking wiki, then i doubt youll find anything
[02:06] <Dr_Melectaus_> ok
[02:06] <[adw] > huttan: SSID is the network id, and sent by the router
[02:06] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me out
[02:07] <citrus_> could someone tell me how to convert my bin/cue files    to iso??
[02:07] <huttan> [adw] , Do you have any idea how to fix it? it worked fine 24 hours ago
[02:07] <hybrid_goth>  Linux is very popular with students because of its low-cost, good marketing of its GPL ``ideology'', and a reasonable distrust of Microsoft.
[02:07] <hybrid_goth> oops wrong channel
[02:07] <hybrid_goth> sorry
[02:07] <Sputn1k> how to delete compilet package?
[02:07] <hybrid_goth> so sorry
[02:08] <Dr_Melectaus_> bollocks.
[02:08] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my lynksis wireless b usb network adapter
[02:08] <vader1102> ok, hold on, will get some more
[02:08] <Dr_Melectaus_> vader1102, no no
[02:08] <Dr_Melectaus_> not that
[02:08] <Dr_Melectaus_> uhm, i think im haveing some browser probs
[02:08] <darinlh> Sputn1k, apt-get remove (--purge) packagename
[02:09] <Dr_Melectaus_> i cant resolve url's
[02:09] <Dr_Melectaus_> dns is humped somehow
[02:09] <vader1102> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-243922.html
[02:09] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my lynksis wireless b usb network adapter. iv been trying to for weeks now and havent been able to.
[02:09] <vader1102> try that one
[02:09] <Dr_Melectaus_> vader1102, read up lol
[02:09] <darinlh> woot firefox working :)
[02:09] <Dr_Melectaus_> ill sort this first then check um
[02:10] <vader1102> ok will have the url
[02:10] <Dr_Melectaus_> cheers vader1102
[02:10] <Sputn1k> darinlh: but it only delete packages, which are installed from apt-get
[02:10] <gpd> uber_newber: what model is it?
[02:11] <IIIEars> bemplaut - "banishes" hybrid_goth -  lol - He wasn't in the microft-dev channel again was he? - lol
[02:11] <uber_newber> the wireless carde?
[02:11] <darinlh> Sputn1k, is the package that you are trying to delete a deb or a sourc/whatever.ter?
[02:11] <darinlh> Sputn1k, is the package that you are trying to delete a deb or a sourc/whatever.tar?
[02:12] <citrus_> could someone tell me how to convert my bin/cue files    to iso??
[02:12] <Sputn1k> ive installed it from source
[02:12] <Amaranth> citrus_: bchunk or bin2iso
[02:12] <gpd> citrus_: just burn the bin/cue directly...
[02:12] <uber_newber> gpd: the lynksis wireless b usb network adapter is WUSB11 ver 2.8
[02:12] <Amaranth> gpd: Do gnomebaker or k3b support bin/cue?
[02:13] <darinlh> did you place it in its own directory?
[02:13] <citrus_> don't want to burn
[02:13] <citrus_> but thats
[02:13] <citrus_> thanks
[02:14] <Amaranth> citrus_: ah, just downloaded some cool new movie? :/
[02:14] <gpd> http://mange.dynup.net/linux/bin2iso/bin2iso.c <-- just compile and run
[02:14] <Amaranth> gpd: is that the latest version?
[02:14] <bob2> bchunk is in ubuntu and does that
[02:14] <Amaranth> gpd: i'm on a terminal right now, opening that link is kinda hard :)
[02:14] <citrus_> no but i just saw  devils rejects last night      fucking awesome movie
[02:15] <IIIEars> Amaranth - i believe k3b supports bin/cue
[02:15] <Amaranth> citrus_: Please don't swear.
[02:15] <turkuaz> elo every1, just wondering-- is X still broken in breezy?
[02:15] <gpd> Amaranth: wget url... not that hard at all ;) but try bchunk first
[02:15] <bob2> turkuaz: yes
[02:15] <Amaranth> gpd: wget, haha, i mean i'm too lazy to manually copy that over to another tty
[02:15] <citrus_> pardon my french
[02:15] <citrus_> lol
[02:16] <turkuaz> bob2, thanks
[02:16] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my lynksis wireless b usb network adapter
[02:16] <uber_newber> its WUSB11 ver2.8
[02:16] <turkuaz> does anyone know of any gnome apps, that can be used as an alarm clock (play an mp3 eg. at a given time)
[02:16] <Amaranth> can't evolution do that?
[02:17] <Amaranth> i mean, play an mp3 as an alarm
[02:17] <gpd> uber_newber: you will just have to google 'wusb11 linux' and hope... doubt if anyone would know more than you could find out
[02:17] <turkuaz> Amaranth, can it?
[02:17] <mjr> I dunno; "sleep 9h && mpg321 foo.mp3" ;)
[02:17] <uber_newber> gpd: allright thanx
[02:17] <citrus_> is bin2iso in the repositories?
[02:18] <IIIEars> xmms alarm may be worht a look
[02:18] <Eilonwy05> anybody have a suggestion on what to do about "unknown module version" messages related to SCSI drivers needed by SATA controller in order to boot?  I upgraded my kernel to 2.6.12.2 from the standard Hoary 2.6.10-5 kernel and did make oldconfig, then created an initrd... next boot=kernel panic
[02:18] <gpd> citrus_: use bchunk
[02:19] <mcphail> turkuaz: man at
[02:19] <stevenj> has anyone tried debian testing yet?
[02:21] <bob2> thousands of people use it
[02:22] <leviathann> what version of firefox is broken?
[02:22] <bob2> Eilonwy05: if you're going to create a new kernel, I'd not bother with an initrd
[02:22] <scott> anyone know of a terminal program that changes common text representations of progress bars to graphical representations or allows textured fonts (like jaderholm.com/files/font.jpg)? also, what is a good file manager that lends itself to being used from the keyboard, and has graphics (useful and limited ones)? finally, have there been any new window managers with a noticably different approach to come out in the last year or two? a good console mp3 player with
[02:22] <bob2> fm, nautilus is ok, but nothing really compares with zsh
[02:22] <tahorg> anyone here has tried ubuntu 64 on p4 64bits ?
[02:22] <bob2> ion3 and ratpoison have a fairly different approach
[02:23] <bob2> cplay's a nice console musicplayr
[02:23] <scott> bob2, yeah, I use ion3, but they're pretty old
[02:23] <citrus_> gpf: how do i get a iso out of that program   i tried  bchunk *.bin *.cue foo   and all i get is foo.ugh
[02:23] <MrGardenHoseMan> what's a good burning program for linux?
[02:23] <leviathann> k3b
[02:23] <leviathann> MrGardenHoseMan, ^
[02:23] <parabolize> stevenj, my guess would be a few million people. ;)
[02:23] <Sputn1k> how to delete prgoram which are installed from .deb?
[02:23] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[02:23] <bob2> nautilus (the file manager) is fine for burning data cds
[02:24] <bob2> Sputn1k: mark them for removal in synaptic
[02:24] <Sputn1k> right :)
[02:24] <othernoob> citrus_: what are you trying to do anyway?
[02:24] <citrus_> convert file.bin and file.cue to file.iso
[02:24] <parabolize> MrGardenHoseMan, gnomebaker or k3b
[02:24] <bob2> citrus_: just use bchunk
[02:24] <othernoob> citrus_: for what?
[02:25] <gpd> citrus_: bchunk foo.bin foo.cue foo
[02:25] <bob2> or reextract them in a less useles format
[02:25] <citrus_> i tried that and i got foo.ugh
[02:25] <bob2> you read the help text?
[02:25] <othernoob> citrus_: are you only interestedi n burning the cue/bin or what?
[02:26] <Eilonwy05> anybody have a suggestion on what to do about "unknown module version" messages related to SCSI drivers needed by SATA controller in order to boot?  I upgraded my kernel to 2.6.12.2 from the standard Hoary 2.6.10-5 kernel and did make oldconfig, then created an initrd... next boot=kernel panic
[02:26] <jbailey> Eilonwy05: Why did you upgrade your kernel?
[02:26] <bob2> as above, don't use an initrd
[02:26] <jbailey> Eilonwy05: In general my suggest is Just Don't Do It.
[02:26] <scott> bob2: thanks, cplay looks awesome. anyway to get it to have cool colors?
[02:26] <bob2> don't think so
[02:26] <jbailey> Eilonwy05: The distro is only tested in the kernel config that it's shipped with.
[02:27] <jbailey> Eilonwy05: For instance, I beleive udev is known to break if you move to 2.6.12
[02:27] <evo> is there away to get the gnome main menu to update when new icons are added?
[02:27] <Eilonwy05> jbailey: I couldn't run current ATI drivers that support my laptop's X300 with the shipped kernel
[02:28] <citrus_> othernoob: i am trying to install windowsxp in vmware  so i mounted the windowsxp.cue with cdemu  but when i used vmware to install it  i think some recursive error happened and it freezes my system  at first i thought it was vmware  but i tried hoary.iso and it worked fine   there for i want to convert my windowsxp.bin to windowsxp.iso      are you going to be able to help me?
[02:28] <r0d> evo like icon themes?>
[02:28] <citrus_> gpd:  do you know why it outputted foo.ugh?
[02:28] <jbailey> Eilonwy05: Ugh.  There's no version for 2.6.10 that supports it?
[02:29] <the--dud> excellent if folks could comment on the HOWTO I posted on ubuntuforums here --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51942
[02:29] <the--dud> :)
[02:29] <gpd> citrus_: no idea... what does file foo.ugh say?
[02:29] <leviathann> what version of firefox is broken?
[02:29] <evo> r0d: no i mean when  a new .desktop file is added
[02:29] <othernoob> citrus_: it actually surprises me more that you have a windowsxp.cue ...so no ;)
[02:29] <gpd> citrus_: just put your xp disk in the cdrom and do dd if=/mnt/cdrom of=windowsxp.iso
[02:30] <the--dud> the cat ate it I tell you!
[02:30] <huttan> This is strange, I can find my accesspoint, the networkcard seems to work fine, everything is setup right and still I cant ping my router
[02:30] <IIIEars> leviathann - the current update has everything working perfectly. - haven't noticed a problem d/l ing files?
[02:30] <paulproteus> huttan: Maybe the router drops pings.
[02:31] <paulproteus> Try pinging Google, see if that works.
[02:31] <huttan> the only clue I have is "temporary failure in name resolution" at bootup after it sycns the clock
[02:31] <leviathann> how do I make the nvidia-glx drivers default?
[02:31] <ColonelKernel> im still have problems with dns resolution, it is very slow w ubuntu - i have already disabled ipv6
[02:31] <paulproteus> huttan: That sounds like the routes aren't working.
[02:31] <leviathann> IIIEars, that's why I asked, I'm trying to download a file from filefront.com but the d/l won't start.
[02:31] <paulproteus> ColonelKernel: In firefox, or across the whole system?
[02:31] <mekgp> hey gents! got a joystick question....
[02:31] <huttan> paulproteus, any idea on how to fix it?
[02:31] <ColonelKernel> paulproteus system-wide
[02:31] <paulproteus> ColonelKernel: Try this DNS server:
[02:31] <paulproteus> 128.151.2.1
[02:31] <paulproteus> Put that in /etc/resolv.conf .
[02:32] <ColonelKernel> paulproteus its just going to get overwritten
[02:32] <IIIEars> leviathann - yes - had that glitch also - update posted fixed it. Ubuntu update manger fixed it.
[02:32] <paulproteus> ColonelKernel: Well, try it and see. ;)
[02:32] <paulproteus> There's a way to make it permanent.  If it works well for you, then we'll try to make it permanent.
[02:32] <phlit> heyu guys - what's the best/easiest way to get back to w working firefox? 1.0.6 freezes whole system almost instantly
[02:33] <sorush20> guys  are you have problems with mozilla firefox 1.0.6
[02:33] <paulproteus> phlit: Your whole system?
[02:33] <ColonelKernel> paulproteus it gets faster whenever I change it, then it will get slow again after a while
[02:33] <bob2> the--dud: show what lines to alter in sources.list, instead of using line numbers. advocating installing server will probably cause problems for people later, so make sure you mention it\'s a big deviation fro normal ubuntu. no need to install kde and gnome libs manually, anything that uses them will Depend on them. put it on the wiki!
[02:33] <leviathann> IIIEars, thanks
[02:33] <paulproteus> ColonelKernel: Ah.
[02:33] <phlit> paulproteus, yes, hard reboot needed
[02:33] <Eilonwy05> jbailey: nope.  I had to d/l the ATI drivers from ati.com, make a couple changes to the kernel module code to get it to compile.. I used a supplied .config from the Linux on Laptops site for my model, and it all worked except for my CD-ROM.. then I tried make mrproper and make oldconfig to see if I had any better luck.. and I got unknown module version on all the scsi modules
[02:33] <ColonelKernel> I put it on qwests DNS servers for a while before, it got faster for a lil while then it slowed down again
[02:34] <paulproteus> phlit: I'd urgently install the memtest86+ package and test your RAM.  No program should be able to make the system freeze.
[02:34] <paulproteus> ColonelKernel: Then ask how to make permanent changes do your DNS.
[02:34] <ColonelKernel> im thinking theres something seriously borked with whatever does DNS resolution in ubuntu
[02:34] <bob2> Eilonwy05: the default ubuntu kernel didn't work on your system, support your cdrom, etc?
[02:34] <the--dud> bob2, indeed... if you're registered on the forums, feel free to post that and such ;)
[02:34] <ColonelKernel> paulproteus well it works fine with the default dns servers in debian and in windows
[02:34] <ColonelKernel> its only ubuntu I have problems with
[02:35] <bob2> the--dud: if it was on the wiki, other people could just fix things diretly ;)
[02:35] <the--dud> well, by not installing the kde/gnome libs manually, they will install a lot more than just the essentials
[02:35] <occy> Yay! new FF's
[02:35] <phlit> paulproteus, the system's been fine till the update - DBing to XP and no such issues - and Ubuntu running perfectly fine, except for firefox
[02:35] <bob2> the--dud: no, not true at all
[02:35] <Eilonwy05> bob2: no, the default kernel worked for my CD, but not with the current ATI drivers to support my laptop's X300 card
[02:35] <the--dud> argh, I'd have to format it all over again for the wiki >_<
[02:35] <paulproteus> ColonelKernel: Interesting.  Does lsmod|grep ipv show anything?
[02:35] <bob2> Eilonwy05: that seems very odd
[02:35] <scott> anyone had problems with page up/down not working in screen?
[02:35] <the--dud> wiki syntax is so backwards to me...
[02:35] <bob2> scott: do you mean shift pageup/pagedown?
[02:35] <mekgp> anybody give some guidance on making a Saitek x45 work with Ubuntu?  The system recognizes it, just cant cali or use it in games!! :(
[02:35] <the--dud> bob2, I've experienced that before, but you might be right
[02:36] <ColonelKernel> paulproteus no
[02:36] <ColonelKernel> jsut an empty line
[02:36] <scott> bob2, yeah
[02:36] <paulproteus> ColonelKernel: Hmm, very well.
[02:36] <IIIEars> !mouse
[02:36] <ubotu> methinks mouse is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
[02:36] <bob2> scott: ctrl-a ]  pageup
[02:36] <IIIEars> Hope that helps
[02:37] <scott> bob2, that just says empty buffer
[02:37] <ColonelKernel> paulproteus yeah for instance I just switched back to the regular dns servers (from 128.151.2.1) and its workign fine
[02:37] <mcphail> Does Ubuntu have any video editing software?
[02:37] <ColonelKernel> I dont know what the problem is but its a real bummer scene.
[02:37] <paulproteus> ColonelKernel: "its working fine" - you mean firefox?
[02:38] <mjr> mcphail, it has kino, dunno how it is
[02:38] <ColonelKernel> paulproteus no, again this is system-wide. I dont even have X started right now
[02:38] <paulproteus> ColonelKernel: I see.
[02:38] <paulproteus> So how do you test DNS, then?
[02:39] <mcphail> mjr: thanks. I'll give it a try.
[02:39] <ColonelKernel> apt-get takes a long time to connect to things, bitchx takes a long time to resolve, elinks takes a long time to resolv
[02:39] <ColonelKernel> its the first connection to everything, the "looking up host" part takes a long time
[02:39] <scott> are there any console spreadsheets?
[02:40] <mjr> mcphail, also, there's a more fully featured thing called cinelerra, but I don't think it's packaged for ubuntu
[02:40] <mcphail> ok
[02:40] <IIIEars> ColonelKernel - wondering if pinging you DNS to see the round trip time server would eliminate a few possibilities
[02:41] <ColonelKernel> theres a livecd distro that has cinelerra on it, dynebolic
[02:41] <ColonelKernel> IIIEars its not the dns server - this doesnt happen in any distro but ubuntu
[02:41] <paulproteus> ColonelKernel: Hoary or Breezy?  What kernel?
[02:41] <rob_p> ColonelKernel:  If you're not familliar with dig, it's a simple command line utility for resolving domain names... Might come in handy for testing your DNS issues.
[02:42] <IIIEars> ColonelKernel - dunno - couldn't it just be an overworked dns server?
[02:42] <ColonelKernel> Hoary with 2.6.10-5-686-smp
[02:42] <ColonelKernel> IIIEars again, it isnt an overworked dns server, this is not happening with other distros or with windoze.
[02:42] <rob_p> ColonelKernel:  even tells you how long it took to resolve...
[02:43] <ColonelKernel> i dont doubt that its taking a while to resolve...
[02:43] <IIIEars> ColonelKernel - eliminared at least one possibility.
[02:44] <ColonelKernel> ok ill bbiab im gonna start x
[02:47] <mekgp> any joystick guru's in here??? :D
[02:47] <socomm> LOL NOOB
[02:48] <hybrid_goth> noob?
[02:48] <socomm> Noobstick.
[02:48] <mekgp> <------nooob toooo
[02:48] <hybrid_goth> <---- C# noob
[02:48] <hybrid_goth> <---- assembly noob
[02:48] <mekgp> noob=newbie, rockie, flunky, etc etc etc
[02:48] <hybrid_goth> we all are a noob
[02:49] <mekgp> at something anyway! ;)
[02:49] <hybrid_goth> yup
[02:49] <scott> how do I find out the class of a window?
[02:49] <socomm> Not me man.
[02:49] <mekgp> socomm<---PRO! :D
[02:49] <ColonelKernel> yes, still having system-wide dns resolution lag problems
[02:49] <hybrid_goth> socomm: how you make an infinite for loop in C++
[02:50] <socomm> hybrid_goth: Who can't?
[02:50] <hybrid_goth> you cant
[02:50] <ColonelKernel> took almost 10 seconds to lfor "looking up irc.freenode.net"
[02:50] <mekgp> thought Infinite was made of metal??  ROFL
[02:50] <hybrid_goth> socomm stole the coockie from the cookie jar
[02:50] <hybrid_goth> :-P
[02:51] <socomm> Mobius strip == infinite loop
[02:51] <mekgp> so, no takers on the joystick quandry?? :D
[02:51] <Amaranth> Mobius strip == not possible in real life
[02:51] <paulproteus> mekgp: What's your problem?
[02:51] <paulproteus> Amaranth: Uh, you twist a piece of paper....
[02:51] <mekgp> joystick...
[02:51] <Amaranth> paulproteus: uh, no
[02:51] <paulproteus> mekgp: If you're less vague, someone can help.
[02:51] <Amaranth> paulproteus: you can't twist it the way it's drawn
[02:52] <paulproteus> Amaranth: Hmm?  That's not true....
[02:52] <paulproteus> You just twist it once, then tape it.
[02:52] <ColonelKernel> you give it one twist and tape it
[02:52] <ColonelKernel> lol
[02:52] <paulproteus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobius_strip
[02:52] <paulproteus> There's a picture on the Wikipedia article.
[02:52] <socomm> Amaranth: They use mobius strips in factories to get the best use out of those watchamacalits.
[02:52] <Amaranth> hmm
[02:52] <Amaranth> what was it then?
[02:53] <benplaut> google now officially ROCKS
[02:53] <hybrid_goth> why
[02:53] <Amaranth> some ring like that that could only be made on paper
[02:53] <IIIEars> mekgp - seem to remember a package on sourceforge - it's included in synaptic "joypad"
[02:53] <benplaut> www.google.com/ig now supports adding your own RSS feeds!
[02:53] <hybrid_goth> sweet
[02:53] <ColonelKernel> if i touch the /etc/resolv.conf file my dns problem goes away
[02:53] <paulproteus> Amaranth: You should check out the article.
[02:53] <ColonelKernel> ie sudo touch /etc/resolv.conf
[02:53] <mekgp> IIIEars: ill look that one up!
[02:53] <paulproteus> ColonelKernel: Wow.
[02:54] <ColonelKernel> Paradoxx, what is going on w this?
[02:54] <Amaranth> paulproteus: what article?
[02:54] <paulproteus> The Wikipedia article.
[02:54] <citrus_> can i set a hot key to switch desktops or is there one for gnome allready?
[02:54] <ColonelKernel> im not the only one with this problem
[02:54] <Amaranth> oh, is firefox fixed for everyone now?
[02:54] <Amaranth> paulproteus: I just read it. ;)
[02:54] <paulproteus> Ctrl-Alt-Right, citrus_
[02:54] <paulproteus> Or Ctrl-Alt-Left.
[02:54] <socomm> Amaranth: New firefox update?
[02:54] <paulproteus> Depending which way you want to go.
[02:54] <Amaranth> socomm: yeah
[02:54] <socomm> Amaranth: Thanks for the heads up.
[02:55] <citrus_> thanks one more  is there a hotkey to show desktop?
[02:55] <citrus_> like windows+d
[02:55] <socomm> citrus_: Make your own hotkeys.
[02:55] <paulproteus> citrus_: That I don't know.  (it'd be nice to know, so if you hear it, tell me too)
[02:55] <paulproteus> flugh_: Hey, Baltimore! :)
[02:56] <snickkers> how can I find out if a particular package/prerequisite is installed on my system? namely, "the MySQL database software"
[02:56] <ubuntudave> Can anyone suggest help as to why using ATI drivers causes my system to freeze when, and only when, i open *any* webbrowser and access a webpage?
[02:57] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my lynksis wireless b usb network adapter?
[02:57] <uber_newber> iv been trying for a very long time now and havent had any luck
[02:57] <citrus_> kde does it
[02:57] <citrus_> whats wrong with gnome lol
[02:58] <paulproteus> ubuntudave: That sounds bad.  Have you tested your RAM?  Bad RAM often leads to strange problems.
[02:58] <uber_newber> citrus_> are u talking to me
[02:58] <phixion> anyone fancy guiding me through jre 1.5 installation? :o
[02:58] <paulproteus> ubuntudave: Try installing the memtest86+ package, and rebooting, and choosing Memtest86 from the Grub menu.
[02:58] <socomm> !restricted
[02:58] <ubotu> [restricted]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:58] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my lynksis wireless b usb network adapter?
[02:58] <ColonelKernel> what is the system init script in debian?
[02:58] <uber_newber> iv been trying for a very long time now and havent had any luck
[02:58] <LinuxMoron> how can i get totem to play audio and video files?
[02:58] <socomm> phixion: Follow the link above.
[02:59] <IIIEars>  uber_newber - dmesg can give you some more info.  i am very new also at least you will have "google ammo"
[02:59] <snickkers> paul: iirc, memtest is already in the grub menu for 5.04 install
[02:59] <ubuntudave> paulproteus, I will try that now, thanks
[02:59] <amd3>  i can't hear anything in vlc, but i can hear sounds made by the os (ubuntu 5.04)
[02:59] <uber_newber> IIIEars: ya i guess, but google almost gives u too much info
[02:59] <phixion> thanks socomm
[02:59] <IIIEars> uber_newber - i noticed that too. - grin
[03:00] <uber_newber> ne1 in here wanna tell me at least what i need to install my lynksis wireless b usb network adapter
[03:00] <paulproteus> amd3: VLC might need to go through esd.
[03:00] <LinuxMoron> how can i get totem to play audio and video files?
[03:00] <uber_newber> IIIEars: ya
[03:00] <paulproteus> LinuxMoron: Try to use totem-xine as per the ubuntuguide.org documentation.
[03:00] <LinuxMoron> um ok
[03:00] <LinuxMoron> can xmms play video?
[03:00] <psychonate> with plugins, yes
[03:00] <hybrid_goth> yea
[03:01] <hybrid_goth> with xmmplayer
[03:01] <socomm> LinuxMoron: Not initially, you'll need to install thirdparty plugins.
[03:01] <LinuxMoron> xmmplayer i suppose socomm
[03:01] <ColonelKernel> yeah my dns lag comes back every few minutes and will disappear if I run sudo touch /etc/resolv.conf
[03:01] <socomm> LinuxMoron: Yea, granted that you've installed mplayer as well.
[03:01] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my lynksis wireless b usb network adapter?
[03:01] <uber_newber> iv been trying for a very long time now and havent had any luck
[03:01] <psychonate> Can anyone recommend any good servers/channels for general chat?
[03:01] <LinuxMoron> is there any other way, socomm
[03:02] <socomm> LinuxMoron: Yes, but I can't tell you off the top of my head.
[03:02] <phixion> socomm: I am following that guide, when I enter 'sudo apt-get install java-package fakeroot' it says it can't find the package.
[03:02] <IIIEars> uber_newber - looks like we have a few extra mins. - you could post the output to ubuntu.pastebin.com you could add a link to that extra info.
[03:02] <socomm> phixion: Use synaptic, and enable the restricted repos.
[03:02] <LinuxMoron> could you find out for me, socomm? ill pay you a bazillion dollars
[03:03] <paulproteus> LinuxMoron: Hmm, you don't want to install mplayer?
[03:03] <socomm> LinuxMoron: Well there is a way but an old method that utilzes avifile, which would only allow you to play avi files.
[03:03] <LinuxMoron> oh ok but the other way is to just use totem-xine?
[03:03] <snickkers> I'm trying to install MythTV... should I download precompiled debian sources, or compiile myself using sources (keeping in mind I'm a noob)?
[03:03] <phixion> socomm: i enabled all the repos, cant find java-package in synaptic either.
[03:03] <LinuxMoron> i want ONE media player, not 2 or three
[03:03] <socomm> LinuxMoron: I've also seen other plugins that would allow you to mpeg files, but that's really too much trouble I'd just install mplayer and be done with it.
[03:04] <IIIEars> psychonate - check out one of th two really good irc search engines - i really like ircspy
[03:04] <psychonate> The default mplayer build in Ubuntu angers me a lot.
[03:04] <poningru> I had a questiong
[03:04] <LinuxMoron> mplayer quit on me:  said it had a font error...waddo i do from there?
[03:04] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my lynksis wireless b usb network adapter?
[03:04] <uber_newber> iv been trying for a very long time now and havent had any luck
[03:04] <poningru> is it possible to remove the cd thing from the sources.list?
[03:04] <paulproteus> uber_newber: What model?
[03:04] <phixion> linuxmoron have you tried vlc for video?
[03:04] <socomm> LinuxMoron: Well mplayer can play just about any media file you throw at it, unfortunately it does not have a great interface.
[03:04] <paulproteus> poningru: Hi. :)
[03:04] <poningru> hey dude
[03:04] <s0cks> Have you ever shown up to work, and someone tells you that it looks like you've got a case of the mondays?
[03:04] <uber_newber> WUSB11 ver2.8
[03:04] <psychonate> I love mplayer, but the default build included crashes when it encounters AC3 audio.
[03:05] <phixion> socomm: i enabled all the repos, cant find java-package in synaptic either.
[03:05] <LinuxMoron> the font error realy screwed me up...waddo i do?
[03:05] <socomm> phixion: Have you ran `apt-get update' after you enabled the repos?
[03:05] <hybrid_goth> psychonate: i compiled mine
[03:05] <phixion> socomm, yeah :)
[03:05] <snickkers> I'm trying to install MythTV... should I download precompiled debian sources, or compiile myself using sources (keeping in mind I'm a noob)?
[03:05] <uber_newber> paulproteus i alson have tow drivers becuz i was told i need them to install it
[03:05] <psychonate> LinuxMoron, I had to set up fonts for mplayer for subs. Maybe you just need to do that. In that case, I can maybe help.
[03:05] <uber_newber> and i have the setup wizard disk that came with it
[03:05] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get install mplayer-fonts
[03:05] <paulproteus> uber_newber: Do you which drivers it uses?
[03:05] <psychonate> hybrid_goth, I would prefer to have it handled by the package management system though, since mplayer is somewhat larg.e
[03:06] <paulproteus> Which Linux drivers, I mean; the Windows disc won't help you.
[03:06] <socomm> phixion: Well, I don't know.
[03:06] <phixion> socomm, do you have default repos set up? if so does 'sudo apt-get install java-package' work for you?
[03:06] <Razor-X> hmmm... what are the dlls that w32codecs uses?
[03:06] <socomm> phixion: Yes it worked for me.
[03:06] <LinuxMoron> psychonate:  New_Face failed.  Maybe the font path is wrong.  How can I fix this error from within mplayer?
[03:06] <phixion> mm ok thx
[03:06] <Chadza> How do I keep x from running at startup?
[03:06] <uber_newber> paulproteus  lets just pm
[03:06] <Razor-X> because, if I ever need w32codecs, I want to use my own system DLLs
[03:07] <psychonate> LinuxMoron, http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/subosd.html#mpsub-install
[03:07] <Razor-X> !tell ColonelKernel about resolution
[03:07] <psychonate> LinuxMoron, look at the fourth dot
[03:07] <ColonelKernel> slow dns makes EVERYTHING so slow
[03:07] <psychonate> s/dot/bullet
[03:07] <LinuxMoron> thanks
[03:07] <psychonate> LinuxMoron, basically, you need to download a font and make a link, so that mplayer will use the font.
[03:07] <rob_p> ColonelKernel:  How much DNS lag are you talking?
[03:07] <ColonelKernel> Razor-X, thanks but I dont need to fix my video resolution
[03:08] <Razor-X> ColonelKernel: your NIC resolution?
[03:08] <ColonelKernel> rob_p, sometimes up to 10 seconds
[03:08] <norhted> hello everyone, is there anybody who knows to add a new keyboard(that is not in the ubuntu`s default list)?
[03:08] <Razor-X> your New Year's resolution? ;)
[03:08] <psychonate> LinuxMoron, PM me again if you need more help setting the font up.
[03:08] <paulproteus> norhted: New keyboard?  Should work plug-n-play.
[03:09] <rob_p> ColonelKernel:  Are you running a caching nameserver or are you using only your ISP's DNS servers?
[03:09] <norhted> paulproteus: i am using 107 -key generic turkish q
[03:09] <D1> wow, beagle is awesome.
[03:09] <ColonelKernel> rob_p, I am using my isp's dns servers
[03:09] <Razor-X> paulproteus: not always
[03:09] <norhted> paulproteus: but default contains turkish-alt-q
[03:09] <Razor-X> but, most of the time, you can plug one in and type in ``hotplug''
[03:10] <sorush20> guys I keep getting this error when I try to install firefox can anyone help.. E: /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox_1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package mozilla-firefox
[03:10] <norhted> paulproteus: and it is not working as normal q type
[03:10] <Razor-X> norhted: you mean, you have Turkish specific keys, but your keyboard layout is using a Turkish specific layout, that is not working with the keyboard?
[03:10] <rob_p> ColonelKernel:  Are you running any sort of packet filtering that might interfere with UDP packets?
[03:10] <snickkers> I'm trying to install MythTV... should I download precompiled debian sources, or compiile myself using sources (keeping in mind I'm a noob)?
[03:10] <ColonelKernel> rob_p, no
[03:10] <mcphail> ColonelKernel: you said the problem was improved by touching resolv.conf?
[03:10] <norhted> Razor-X: exactly
[03:10] <ColonelKernel> mcphail, yes
[03:11] <mcphail> ColonelKernel: cron job?
[03:11] <snickkers> asked differently - do debain precompiled packages work in ubuntu?
[03:11] <othernoob> snickkers: compile, so you'll learn ;)
[03:11] <rob_p> ColonelKernel:  Have you tried swapping the DNS servers listed in your /etc/resolv.conf file?
[03:11] <lexhider> Can I get someone to confirm a firefox hoary bug before I report it?
[03:11] <norhted> Razor-X: i tried turkish-f and it is working like turkish-f
[03:11] <othernoob> snickkers: not neccessarily
[03:11] <ColonelKernel> rob_p, no need, all I have to do is touch the file and dns works fine again
[03:11] <norhted> Razor-X: however turkish-q is not working properly
[03:11] <snickkers> othernoob: d'oh :P  thanks for the info
[03:11] <ColonelKernel> theres something seriously wrong w dns and I dont know what it is
[03:11] <paulproteus> norhted: I see.  I think you should file a bug against Ubuntu, then; it should have that in the list.
[03:12] <Razor-X> norhted: can I see a picture of the differences?
[03:12] <rob_p> ColonelKernel:  Is that behavior repeatable?
[03:12] <lexhider> open a few tabs, select any tab but the 1st one, Preferences->HomePage->Current, it selects the url of the 1st tab not the current tab.
[03:12] <hybrid_goth> snickkers: knoppmyth
[03:12] <tritium> snickkers, what's wrong with using the ubuntu mythtv packags?
[03:12] <Razor-X> paulproteus: it could be a multitude of things, the WM is not working, xkeyboard is not working, it's broken, etc.
[03:12] <norhted> Razor-X: what do you want to see exactly?
[03:12] <hybrid_goth> snickkers: systm.org
[03:12] <snickkers> hybrid: knopmyth isnt so great
[03:13] <Razor-X> norhted: just the keyboard's keys (like on most normal English ones the top row starts with ``QWERTY'')
[03:13] <ColonelKernel> rob_p, it does it every single time I boot up. If I wait 5-10 minutes , the dns resolution will go back to being crappy
[03:13] <drew> does firestarter automatically start working after installation or does it not work with kde?
[03:13] <Sheng> hello
[03:13] <_otep> 'lo, anyone have any experience using gparted
[03:13] <Sheng> does anyone know how to configure GRUB to move XP to the top of the default
[03:13] <snickkers> hybrid_goth: will mess around with knopmyth more if it doesnt go well with ubuntu
[03:13] <mcphail> ColonelKernel: whatever the cause is, setting up a cron job to clear resolv.conf every couple of minutes should sort out the symptoms
[03:13] <hybrid_goth> _otep: i do
[03:13] <rob_p> ColonelKernel:  And when you touch the file it temporarily fixes it - every time?
[03:13] <hybrid_goth> snickkers: ah
[03:13] <ColonelKernel> drew, you have to run it and go through the wizard at least once
[03:13] <ColonelKernel> rob_p, that is correct, sir
[03:13] <hybrid_goth> i figured it would be a semi-embedded system
[03:14] <tritium> snickkers, I installed the ubuntu mythtv packages, and had no problems
[03:14] <snickkers> tritium: didnt realise there were mythtv unbuntu packages... will have to look around, thanks for the pointer
[03:14] <drew> ColonelKernel, where do I find it?  Like, where would it have been installed to on my kde panel?
[03:14] <rendi> hai guy's what the best image viewer like acdess
[03:14] <norhted> qwertyuiop[] 
[03:14] <tritium> !info mythtv
[03:14] <ubotu> mythtv: (A personal video recorder application (client and server)), section multiverse/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.17-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 64 kB
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> rendi: gthumb
[03:14] <norhted> Razor-X:qwertyuiop[] 
[03:14] <rendi> ok thanks
[03:14] <rob_p> ColonelKernel:  And you've tried alternate DNS servers just to be sure?
[03:14] <norhted>  Razor-X:asdfghjkl;'\
[03:14] <ColonelKernel> drew type in sudo firestarter - it might be under applications/system tools, if not it will be the next time you start X
[03:14] <norhted>  Razor-X:zxcvbnm,./
[03:14] <drew> ok
[03:15] <tritium> snickkers, they're all in multiverse.  There are several packages.
[03:15] <snickkers> tritium, do I just use the Synaptic Package Manager to install it?
[03:15] <norhted>  Razor-X:they are first,second, and the third row correspondingly
[03:15] <tritium> snickkers, yeah, you can.
[03:15] <ColonelKernel> rob_p, any time the /etc/resolv.conf file is freshened up somehow, regardless of its settings, dns gets fixed, at least for 5 minutes or so.
[03:15] <snickkers> tritium, sounds like there's a 'but...' (is there some better way to install it?)
[03:15] <Chadza> Can anyone tell me how to prevent X from running at startup?
[03:15] <norhted> but there should be `` after `l` instead of `;`
[03:16] <norhted> Razor-X:but there should be `` after `l` instead of `;`
[03:16] <tritium> snickkers, synaptic is just fine.  :)
[03:16] <Sheng> eNJOY!!!!
[03:16] <Sheng> I installed Ubunto, and I have AC 97 sound, but it never played.
[03:16] <Sheng> What is up?
[03:16] <Sheng> Also, it could never recognize discs in my CD drive
[03:16] <snickkers> tritium, cool, thx. Esxcept, I can't find mythtv in the list (I'm look in ALL)
[03:17] <drew> ColonelKernel, after I have gone through the wizard, will it always be on?  because my tray icon seems to have disappeared when I closed the window
[03:17] <tritium> snickkers, you need to make sure you have multiverse enabled
[03:17] <norhted> Razor-X: actually from system-preferences-keyboard, you can only select turkish alt-q and turkish f
[03:17] <rob_p> ColonelKernel:  Has it acted this way since you first installed your system.  If not, what changes/updates did you do just before you started noticing the problems?
[03:17] <rhodry> quit
[03:17] <ColonelKernel> drew, yes, it is a system service now
[03:17] <ColonelKernel> rob_p, yes this is a fresh install
[03:17] <lexhider> Chadza, uninstall gdm is one way.
[03:17] <oatis> whats a good wifi pcmcia card thats compatable with kubuntu?
[03:17] <drew> ColonelKernel, okay, and what about nessus?
[03:17] <ColonelKernel> I havent run any updates on it
[03:17] <hybrid_goth> whats the sudo pass in the livecd
[03:17] <ColonelKernel> drew, I dont know what nessus is
[03:17] <hybrid_goth> 4.10 cd
[03:18] <norhted> Razor-X: when i press `Alt-gr` from my keyboard it is working like turkish-q
[03:18] <drew> ColonelKernel, a vulnerability scanner
[03:18] <rob_p> ColonelKernel:  And it's been that way since the first boot-up of your newly installed system?
[03:18] <ColonelKernel> rob^, yes
[03:18] <rob^> ?
[03:18] <hybrid_goth> anyone know the password to use when sudo'ing with the 4.10 livecd
[03:18] <ColonelKernel> sorry rob_p
[03:18] <ColonelKernel> yes
[03:18] <tritium> snickkers, if you don't have it enabled, see here; http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:18] <ColonelKernel> hybrid_goth, I think you have to set it
[03:18] <hybrid_goth> o_0
[03:18] <hybrid_goth> ok
[03:19] <hybrid_goth> ty
[03:19] <ColonelKernel> hybrid_goth, sudo passwd root
[03:19] <rob_p> ColonelKernel:  Hrm... thinking!  This one is a bit of a brain-teaser!
[03:19] <Chadza> Thanks, but is there a way to just prevent it from running?  I do want to keep it for certain occasions, but not always running.
[03:19] <snickkers> hehe thanks tritium, was only another 5 secs away from asking that question :P
[03:20] <tritium> snickkers, no problem :)
[03:20] <ColonelKernel> this is my ONLY problem with ubuntu, I love this distro otherwise and i'd REALLY hate to leave it
[03:20] <norhted> Razor-X:do you think it is a bug?
[03:20] <ColonelKernel> i cant wait 10 seconds every time I need to connect to something though
[03:20] <mcphail> ColonelKernel: is a dhcp server messing up the settings?
[03:21] <oatis> whats a good, compatable wifi pcmcia card for ubuntu?
[03:21] <lexhider> Chadza, I remember something about editing /etc/inittab but I can't remember exactly. You can uninstall gdm and when you want to run X just run "startx" frome the console.
[03:21] <ColonelKernel> mcphail, no, i set static ip via dhcp for this machine, so it gets the same settings regardless, and it only has problems in ubuntu
[03:22] <tritium> Chadza, this is the proper debian way: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start
[03:22] <tritium> same thing would apply for ubuntu
[03:22] <darinlh> ColonelKernel, cat /etc/resolv.conf and see if it putting your router/switch info in there if it is the admin your router/swith dhcp info to put only real dns servers in
[03:22] <snickkers> what's the difference between the packages in multivers, and those in universe?
[03:22] <ColonelKernel> darinlh, its only the isp's dns server
[03:22] <Chadza> Thank you both.
[03:23] <Chadza> And for my second question, how do I get mp3blaster to output to eSound?
[03:23] <tritium> snickkers, here's the best explanation: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[03:23] <IIIEars> snickkers - hm - i think it is closed source apps and $ apps
[03:23] <darinlh> ColonelKernel, is dns slow only in firefox or in all services? ie ping traceroute etc..
[03:23] <ColonelKernel> darinlh, its system-wide - the first time I connect to anything is super slow looking it up
[03:24] <IIIEars> darinlh - "the first time" - some type of caching?
[03:25] <rob_p> ColonelKernel:  Do you have any directives in your /etc/resolv.conf other than, "search" or "nameserver?"
[03:25] <nessmuk> can someone answer a few questions about Beatrix?
[03:25] <uber_newber> sum1 say sumthin
[03:25] <uber_newber> im tryin to test sumthin
[03:26] <ColonelKernel> rob_p, just nameserver, I commented out all the ipv6 stuff
[03:26] <ColonelKernel> theres no 'search'
[03:26] <useruser> ColonelKernel: do you have more than one server listed?
[03:26] <ColonelKernel> yes, there are 2 dns servers.
[03:26] <teferi> if anyone's been eagerly following evo-mail-notify development, i'm going to be pushing out another release tonight, probably
[03:27] <teferi> just for the record
[03:27] <nessmuk> in ubuntu, you can find apps by using locate, but I can't find the apps folder in Beatrix. Anyone help? And if locate doesn't work in terminal, how do you find stuff?
[03:27] <darinlh> ColonelKernel, IIIEars mine used to do that when my dhcp on router gave itself as a dns server, disabled it and now it works fine
[03:27] <ColonelKernel> as I stated before, it doesnt matter WHAT dns server is in there, dns works fine with mine, or with qwests,
[03:27] <useruser> ColonelKernel: maybe one of them is responding slowly/down? you could try with just one of them, then try with the other one alone
[03:27] <ColonelKernel> darinlh, my router is not using itself as a dns server
[03:28] <ColonelKernel> useruser, if I touch the /etc/resolv.conf dns function goes back to normal
[03:28] <IIIEars> darinlh - sounds like it might just worth a look. - nice
[03:28] <darinlh> ColonelKernel, does your /etc/resolv.conf have a search what.ever as first line then a couple of dns servers?
[03:28] <useruser> ColonelKernel: how strange
[03:28] <rob_p> ColonelKernel:  That's interesting 'cause mine doesn't seem to have any IP6 stuff in it at all!
[03:28] <ColonelKernel> darinlh, no, just nameservers
[03:28] <tritium> ColonelKernel, have you tried installing resolvconf ?
[03:29] <travisbickle> can someone help me mount my windows partitions i had to reinstall and i forgot how
[03:29] <ColonelKernel> rob_p, pardon my idiocy that was /etc/hosts
[03:29] <ColonelKernel> tritium, no, what is resolvconf?
[03:29] <velocity760> when you put linux on your computer do you need any special video drivers or sound drivers for it
[03:29] <useruser> ColonelKernel: hang on, do you mean touch as in /usr/bin/touch, or touch as in "edit in any way"?
[03:29] <rob_p> ColonelKernel:  Oh... no prob!  :-)
[03:29] <tritium> ColonelKernel, a nameserver information manager
[03:30] <flugh_> paulproteus, sorry, was AFk. howdy :)
[03:30] <Hikaru79> velocity760, absolutely not.
[03:30] <ColonelKernel> useruser, as in sudo touch /etc/resolv.conf
[03:30] <velocity760> you dont
[03:30] <velocity760> thats cool
[03:30] <useruser> ColonelKernel: ok :S
[03:30] <tritium> ColonelKernel, you might give it a try...
[03:30] <Hikaru79> velocity760, Linux is compatible with most hardware on the market these days.
[03:30] <velocity760> couse im going to put ubuntu on my computer tonight
[03:30] <useruser> ColonelKernel: do you have anything running that looks like it may be dhcp-related?
[03:30] <Hikaru79> velocity760, welcome aboard =)
[03:30] <darinlh> travisbickle, edit your fstab to have something like /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs noauto,users,exec,ro,umask=000 0 0
[03:30] <velocity760> thank you
[03:31] <mcphail> ColonelKernel: or use the nasty workaround with crontab...
[03:31] <fortysixand2> if you want 3d acceleration, you might have to work
[03:31] <snickkers> tritium: Followed instructions on that website, and now i have a bunch of (Universe) packages, but I couldnt find anything for Multiverse
[03:31] <fortysixand2> especially with the crappy ATI drivers
[03:31] <velocity760> i just got the Cedega so i can run my games on it
[03:31] <useruser> ColonelKernel: you could always use strace if you run out of ideas
[03:31] <ColonelKernel> useruser, im not understanding, the box is a dhcp client but it works fine with other distros and even windoze
[03:31] <velocity760> and i can start learning how to program with linux
[03:32] <tritium> snickkers, we need to add "multiverse" then too
[03:32] <useruser> ColonelKernel: yes, it's undoubtedly misconfigured somewhere
[03:32] <darinlh> hey velocity760 do you run guild wars with cedega?
[03:32] <tritium> ColonelKernel, apt-cache show resolvconf for more info on it.
[03:32] <useruser> ColonelKernel: but i think there should not be dhcp-client processes running all the time - if there are, that could be problematic
[03:32] <velocity760> yep
[03:32] <velocity760> im going to
[03:32] <ColonelKernel> useruser, I dont know if they are or not
[03:33] <ColonelKernel> tritium, thanks
[03:33] <snickkers> tritium: There wasn't a multiverse checkbox option in the repositry list (even when I changed the setting to display hidden repositories)
[03:33] <useruser> ColonelKernel: ps auxg|grep -i dh
[03:33] <useruser> maybe :P
[03:33] <zaphands> Hi. Firefox doens't work after update. What should I do?
[03:33] <tritium> snickers, if you're comfortable editing the /etc/apt/sources.list file, you can add them yourself.
[03:33] <ColonelKernel> useruser, root      6625  0.0  0.0   2140   976 ?        S<s  17:46   0:00 dhclient3 -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.leases eth0
[03:34] <snickkers> tritium, I'll check it out
[03:34] <darinlh> velocity760, I run it fine but I am unable to do mission's, nvidia's driver seems to be doing something and looking for someone that is running it with no problem?
[03:34] <Marupa> Has someone ever installed ubuntu through a gentoo livecd?
[03:35] <Chadza`FunTimes> Does anyone know how to set mp3blaster to output to eSound?
[03:35] <darinlh> ColonelKernel, that is strange dhclient should not be running
[03:35] <useruser> ColonelKernel: actually dhclient is running on my machine too. maybe i have misunderstood something
[03:36] <useruser> ColonelKernel: anyway i would certainly try killing it and see if that improves things
[03:36] <rob_p> ColonelKernel:  I seem to have an instance running too!
[03:36] <ColonelKernel> did I find a bug?
[03:36] <ColonelKernel> i just killed it, ill see how things work
[03:37] <Strife> so what's the deal with firefox not working?
[03:37] <mcphail> Why shouldn't there be a dhcp client running?
[03:37] <othernoob> has anyone ever tried to get a firmware update from lite-on?
[03:37] <Strife> oh NOW firefox works
[03:37] <SysFail> Can't locate XML/DOM.pm in @INC   <[03:38] <SysFail> something to do with perl
[03:38] <useruser> SysFail: you need to install some perl package or other
[03:38] <paulproteus> SysFail: What program are you trying to run?
[03:38] <SysFail> yeah..cant figure out which ones
[03:38] <Marupa> Anyonen ever tried to install that way?
[03:38] <paulproteus> SysFail: What program are you trying to run?
[03:38] <SysFail> its a perl script for doing nzb files
[03:38] <SysFail> thats what Im trying to run
[03:39] <rob_p> mcphail:  I think it should be if you are configured to acquire your IP from a DHCP server.
[03:39] <paulproteus> SysFail: If you use Synaptic, search for perl xml dom
[03:39] <useruser> SysFail: try libxml-dom-perl
[03:39] <SysFail> okie...looking
[03:39] <zaphands> is there a way to go back with the updates?
[03:40] <mcphail> Yes, but surely it shouldn't do anything unless dhcp is selected in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[03:41] <rob_p> that would stand to reason...
[03:42] <mcphail> so there should be no problem with it running in the background _in_case_ you connect a device to be configured by dhcp?
[03:42] <cjserio> hey all....I used to be able to do "make target-name.abc" but now after switching from FC3 to ubuntu, when i do that, it says that there's no rule for the target...I'm using the same Makefile...am i missing a library or something?
[03:43] <tritium> cjserio, have you installed "build-essential"?
[03:43] <cjserio> tritium yes i did
[03:43] <rob_p> it may not even be started unless dhcp is specified in your /etc/network/interfaces for one of your active interfaces...  I could be wrong however.
[03:43] <ColonelKernel> I installed resolvconf and looking up things is still unbelievably slow.
[03:43] <SysFail> thanks guys :) that did it
[03:43] <cjserio> tritium does anything need to be restarted?
[03:43] <tritium> ColonelKernel, okay, sorry.  It was worth a try.
[03:43] <tritium> cjserio, no.
[03:43] <Chadza`FunTimes> how do I get mp3blaster to output to eSound?
[03:44] <useruser> ColonelKernel: try running strace host www.google.com and see if you can figure out what's taking the time
[03:44] <Strife> just out of curiosity, does anyone here use epiphany over firefox?
[03:44] <cjserio> I just dont understand enough about make to know what i'm missing
[03:45] <BlazingSteakSauc> how you install .debs?
[03:45] <ColonelKernel> I dont know what any of this stuff means in strace
[03:45] <jake1> ok... this is wierd
[03:45] <useruser> ColonelKernel: well does it just sit there for a while in the middle of it?
[03:45] <Strife> BlazingSteakSauc: dpkg -i whatever.deb
[03:45] <mcphail> rob_p: it starts on my machine even if I have all interfaces deselected. Has never been a problem, but then I use it to assign IPs. May be more of a prob with static addresses.
[03:45] <ColonelKernel> useruser, yes
[03:45] <useruser> ColonelKernel: and what does it say just before it stops?
[03:45] <BlazingSteakSauc> stuf stick it in there?
[03:45] <useruser> in the middle, i mean
[03:46] <cjserio> Can anyone think of anything else i might need? I have gcc, g++, make, build-essentials...
[03:46] <rob_p> mcphail: I see.
[03:46] <ColonelKernel> useruser, t_sigaction(SIGHUP, {0xb7dd2ad0, ~[RTMIN] , 0}, NULL, 8) = 0
[03:46] <ColonelKernel> rt_sigsuspend([] 
[03:46] <jake1> i was able to download and install Kubuntu... and i selected it as my default window manager, but unfortunately all i get is the Kubuntu login panel but not the KDE interface
[03:46] <jake1> how do i get the KDE interface
[03:46] <tritium> jake1, you might ask in #kubuntu
[03:46] <jake1> do i need to do a "apt -get kde"
[03:47] <_otep> does the ubuntu live cd have "parted"
[03:47] <jake1> tritium but i'm using Ubuntu
[03:47] <jake1> ?
[03:47] <tritium> BlazingSteakSauc, you typically don't need to download and install .debs manually.  Usually, you use apt-get
[03:47] <mcphail> ColonelKernel: what happens if you reverse the order of the dns servers in resolv.conf?
[03:47] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got the debs since i can't go online for them at the moment
[03:47] <ColonelKernel> mcphail, probably the same thing than if I leave them alone and touch them...
[03:48] <BlazingSteakSauc> do i unzip in that area or just drop em in there zipped
[03:48] <Amaranth> oops, wrong button
[03:48] <tritium> BlazingSteakSauc, drop them in where?
[03:48] <ColonelKernel> if I put ANY working dns servers in there, itll work fine for a while then get SLOW
[03:48] <useruser> ColonelKernel: hm, doesn't mean much to me either I'm afraid
[03:48] <BlazingSteakSauc> dpkg
[03:48] <velocity760> how do you install files from a tgz format
[03:48] <tritium> BlazingSteakSauc, "sudo dpkg -i <file.deb."
[03:49] <ColonelKernel> ok brb
[03:49] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got em on the desktop
[03:49] <BlazingSteakSauc> it was lookin in /var/dpkg
[03:49] <ryan_> High, im on my windows machine which i use to bridge the connection to my laptop
[03:49] <tritium> BlazingSteakSauc, okay, cd to ~/Desktop before using dpkg then, or specify the path in the command
[03:49] <ryan_> but for some reason its screwed atm, i think its to do with the dns
[03:49] <BlazingSteakSauc> no need to unzip then
[03:49] <ryan_> any chance someone could help?
[03:49] <tritium> BlazingSteakSauc, do these files end in .deb ?
[03:50] <IIIEars> velocity - it may have gpart
[03:50] <BlazingSteakSauc> yeah
[03:50] <tritium> no need to unzip .debs
[03:50] <cjserio> The exact error i get is "No Rule to make target..."
[03:50] <BlazingSteakSauc> k i hope gnome-ppp will let me get online after it is running
[03:50] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got use to suse auto detecting rpms
[03:51] <mcphail> cjserio: have you ./configured?
[03:52] <Dr_Melectaus> jesus christ, why is it like talking to a brick wall in here
[03:52] <cjserio> mcphail, there is no configure...this is my own source that i wrote
[03:52] <IIIEars> cjserio - "build-essential"?
[03:52] <cjserio> IIIEars: I installed it with Synaptic but it's still not working
[03:52] <tritium> Dr_Melectaus, please be polite
[03:52] <wulfy814> I'm trying to install asterisk and have compiled ztdummy
[03:52] <wulfy814> but when I modprobe ztdummy
[03:53] <wulfy814> Module ztdummy not found
[03:53] <ColonelKernel> dns is still so slow
[03:53] <BlazingSteakSauc> there a good place for some linux games?
[03:53] <Dr_Melectaus> tritium, i have been comeing in here asking the same question for about 3 days now
[03:53] <Dr_Melectaus> and no one replies
[03:53] <Chadza`FunTimes> how do I get mp3blaster to output to eSound?
[03:53] <mcphail> cjserio:  make target-name.abc is a little strange. What do you mean by that?
[03:53] <ColonelKernel> please anyone, please help me get dns fixed
[03:53] <tritium> Dr_Melectaus, maybe nobody knows the answer.  What is the question?
[03:53] <IIIEars> asterisk is cool!
[03:53] <psychonate> BlazingSteakSauc, free or commercial?
[03:53] <BlazingSteakSauc> free
[03:54] <IIIEars> new app to try.
[03:54] <bob2> ColonelKernel: does manually pointing at a known-good dns server work?
[03:54] <mcphail> ColonelKernel: is /etc/network/interfaces correct?
[03:54] <cjserio> mcphail: I'm trying to compile my shared lib...the target is called xsquawkbox.xpl so in my makefile it does "$(MAKE) xsquawkbox.xpl"
[03:54] <psychonate> BlazingSteakSauc, www.happypenguin.org
[03:54] <BlazingSteakSauc> k thnks
[03:54] <Dr_Melectaus> Well, my dvd drive isnt mounting data dvd discs. It will mount dvd movies, but the likes of games and such it doesnt even detect them
[03:54] <ColonelKernel> mcphail, yes i havent messed w it at all
[03:54] <BlazingSteakSauc> i hope i get the hang of debian soon
[03:54] <psychonate> BlazingSteakSauc, don't forget to see what games Ubuntu has available via the package manager
[03:55] <mcphail> ColonelKernel: check to see if dhcp appears in it
[03:55] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got them all that ubuntu had available on the cd
[03:55] <tritium> Dr_Melectaus, yeah, that's a pretty unique problem.  Perhaps nobody knows how to reply.
[03:55] <BlazingSteakSauc> i see runescape is on that site
[03:55] <ColonelKernel> yes mcphail it is correct.
[03:55] <psychonate> BlazingSteakSauc, I used to love playing Enemy Territory (from ID Software).
[03:56] <BlazingSteakSauc> the rating for runescape should be 1 star
[03:56] <bob2> ColonelKernel: yes or no?
[03:56] <psychonate> BlazingSteakSauc, vote then ;)
[03:56] <mcphail> ColonelKernel: remove the dhcp if you're using static ips
[03:56] <BlazingSteakSauc> the staff are ass holes
[03:56] <thuron> java help for a noob?
[03:57] <psychonate> BlazingSteakSauc, there are forums on there too.
[03:57] <BlazingSteakSauc> i see
[03:57] <psychonate> The site has news on both commercial and free games.
[03:57] <tritium> thuron, yes, the Java wiki page in the UserDocumentation URL listed in the wiki is a great page
[03:57] <BlazingSteakSauc> i still got alot to learn on this os to become good at it
[03:57] <IIIEars> asterisk + ztdummy - only accepts usb-uhci as a module?
[03:57] <Strife> anyone know about how to get xine integrated as a plugin to play movies in firefox?
[03:58] <tritium> Strife, you can use gxine's plugins
[03:58] <Strife> totem seems to automatically be the plugin for epiphany...
[03:58] <tritium> Strife, I symlink all the plugins in /usr/lib/gxine in my ~/.mozilla/plugins
[03:59] <Strife> ok
[03:59] <Strife> that's easy enough
[04:02] <Strife> hmm
[04:02] <Strife> well with just gxineplugin.so it opens a new window
[04:02] <Strife> that's really annoying
[04:03] <tritium> Strife, better than nothing ;)
[04:03] <Strife> meh
[04:03] <Strife> there's got to be better than that
[04:03] <Strife> because neither the mplayer plugin nor the vlc one tend to work
[04:03] <BlazingSteakSauc> is the linspire aol dialer compatible with ubuntu
[04:04] <tritium> Dr_Melectaus, try "sudo modprobe udf", and then try to mount a dvd
[04:04] <Dr_Melectaus> ok trit
[04:04] <ColonelKernel> connecting to things, so so slow
[04:04] <tritium> If that works, we'll add "udf" to your /etc/modules
[04:04] <ColonelKernel> so horrible
[04:05] <mcphail> did you change /etc/network/interfaces?
[04:05] <IIIEars> Faxes ColonelKernel a cold beer and an aspirin.
[04:05] <rob_p> ColonelKernel:  verify that your /etc/nsswitch.conf file contains an entry with, "host:  files dns" and if it doesn't, let us know.
[04:05] <bob2> ColonelKernel: does specifying a known good dns server work or not?
[04:05] <rob_p> ColonelKernel:  er... I mean, "hosts:  files dns"
[04:05] <YaKuLKuXkLaN> hi all
[04:06] <YaKuLKuXkLaN> i have a question..
[04:06] <ColonelKernel> bob2  -yes that works, for a while, then it dies again
[04:06] <ColonelKernel> bob2, my isps dns servers are working fine
[04:06] <IIIEars> ColonelKernel - bob2 is on your question. - a solution can't be too far away..
[04:06] <benplaut> how do i chnage the splash-screen? i remember there was a util for it, but i did a reinstall a few months ago and lost it
[04:06] <Dr_Melectaus> tritium, cheers but it didnt work
[04:06] <tritium> Dr_Melectaus, sorry
[04:06] <YaKuLKuXkLaN> if i have a debian woody 3.1 and i want update/change to ubuntu hoary, is too risky?
[04:06] <YaKuLKuXkLaN> is dangerous?
[04:06] <Dr_Melectaus> "probobly didnt mount because there is no media in the drive"
[04:06] <useruser> ColonelKernel: does the file /etc/resolv.conf actually change when it stops working?
[04:07] <YaKuLKuXkLaN> somebody have an answer?
[04:07] <YaKuLKuXkLaN> o0?
[04:07] <ColonelKernel> hosts:          files dns
[04:07] <bob2> YaKuLKuXkLaN: woody is not 3.1
[04:07] <ColonelKernel> useruser, no
[04:07] <useruser> ColonelKernel: ok.
[04:07] <ColonelKernel> rob_p, I have hosts:          files dns
[04:07] <YaKuLKuXkLaN> bob2: anyway, if i have a debian 3.1 and i wanna update/change to ubuntu hoary, is too risky?
[04:07] <rob_p> ColonelKernel:  Ok... just checking all possibilities that I can think of...
[04:08] <bob2> YaKuLKuXkLaN: yes
[04:08] <YaKuLKuXkLaN> o0?
[04:08] <YaKuLKuXkLaN> :x
[04:08] <useruser> ColonelKernel: you could try this to test the dns servers individually: for i in $(sed -n -e 's/^nameserver \(.*\)/\1/p'  /etc/resolv.conf); do echo $i; echo; host -v www.google.com $i; done
[04:08] <YaKuLKuXkLaN> thnks
[04:08] <YaKuLKuXkLaN> =)
[04:08] <IIIEars> YaKuL, - congrats most erm "interesting"? moniker yet today in this channel...
[04:08] <IFRFLYR> Hi, all - having ff woes. Where's that much touted 1.06 I heard about/
[04:09] <oatis> im thikning of setting up kubuntu on a laptop, what would be a good wifi pcmcia card that would be be compatable?
[04:09] <IFRFLYR> Firefox 1.0.6-1ubuntu1~5.04ubp1?
[04:09] <ColonelKernel> -su: syntax error near unexpected token `do'
[04:09] <ColonelKernel> even gaim is slow
[04:09] <useruser> ColonelKernel: don't use sudo
[04:10] <IIIEars> IFRFLYR - ubuntu update manager will grab it and install it for you update your package info . (provided you didn't install a backported vers.)
[04:10] <mcphail> oatis: i'm using a belkin 54g badged broadcom card under ndiswrapper
[04:10] <IFRFLYR> IIIEars - I don't use the update mgr for a couple of reasons. Is there a deb package available?
[04:10] <ColonelKernel> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `do'
[04:10] <IFRFLYR> Right now I have 1.0.2
[04:11] <IIIEars> IFRFLYR - there must be one on the repo tree. - haven't checked
[04:11] <velocity760> once i put linux on there
[04:11] <useruser> ColonelKernel: well it works for me... are you copying and pasting or typing?
[04:11] <ColonelKernel> pasting
[04:11] <useruser> ColonelKernel: make sure that there's a semicolon between ) and do
[04:11] <IFRFLYR> Right. I just did apt-get update and searched for mozilla-firefox and found only 1.0.2...
[04:11] <IFRFLYR> ;(
[04:11] <useruser> ColonelKernel: and it all has to be on one line
[04:11] <velocity760> i format my computer and put linux
[04:12] <velocity760> do you think ill will be able to get on the web
[04:12] <ColonelKernel> there is, you put it there
[04:12] <velocity760> right after i put it on
[04:12] <ColonelKernel> I cut and pasted what you put on there
[04:12] <mcphail> There needs to be a semicolon after do, does there not?
[04:12] <useruser> mcphail: no, that's not going to work
[04:13] <IIIEars> IFRFLYER - there is no shame in using synaptic and the update manager. - (crosses fingers at least no one has told me that)
[04:13] <othernoob> IIIEars: yes there is :p
[04:13] <IIIEars> heh
[04:14] <mcphail> do [semicolon or newline]  command [semicolon or newline]  done????
[04:14] <IFRFLYR> IIIEars, lol thank. I forgot about synaptic. Update manager replaced my headers once (I got lazy and accepted all it offered) and I had to redo a lot of work, so I try to avoid it.  You say go ahead and take the suggestion from update manager?
[04:14] <useruser> mcphail: no. while :; do; :; done fails, but while :; do :; done works
[04:15] <IIIEars> IFRFLYER - erm (tries to adjust his squeaky newb voice to the serious situation.) - a yes okay.
[04:16] <useruser> mcphail: semicolon != newline, i think, as far as bash is concerned
[04:16] <IIIEars> << - too lazy to search the reposiroty for a lone deb file.
[04:17] <useruser> ColonelKernel: can you paste the contents of /etc/resolv.conf here?
[04:17] <mcphail> I think semicolon == newline (hence for foo; do) ?
[04:17] <useruser> ColonelKernel: or in #flood, i suppose
[04:17] <IIIEars> !pastebin
[04:17] <ubotu> pastebin is probably at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[04:18] <useruser> mcphail: well do; always generates an error, but i think do [newline]  doesn't
[04:18] <blake_> hello all
[04:18] <IIIEars> hello blake :)
[04:18] <blake_> i'm having some trouble getting my screen resolution working after a reinstall
[04:18] <IFRFLYR> IIIEars and anyone else: has anyone on the chat now upgraded to FF 1.0.6 and experienced joy and peace?
[04:18] <luckyaba> hello
[04:19] <useruser> mcphail: just type it into bash. typing "while :; do;" gives an error, but "while :; do" (newline) prompts for further input
[04:19] <blake_> i've installed the nvidia drivers and enabled them
[04:19] <darinlh> IFRFLYR, lol funny I spent half a day fixing it  lol
[04:19] <IIIEars> IFRFLYR - Yes the forced right click to begin a d/l is gone.
[04:19] <IFRFLYR> barinlh, fixing 1.0.6 or an earlier version?
[04:20] <citrus_> luckyaba: i can see you
[04:20] <IFRFLYR> er.. . . s/barinlh/darinlh
[04:20] <useruser> IIIEars: what was the problem before?
[04:20] <mcphail> useruser: you're quite correct
[04:20] <psychonate> I'm trying to patch a file, and the patch fails: "Hunk #1 FAILED at 15."
[04:20] <blake_> does anyone have advice?
[04:21] <IIIEars> useruser - forced to right click and save link as.. to begin a d/l
[04:21] <darinlh> IFRFLYR, did a update upgrade with ubuntu (universe and multi ) and buggered my ff
[04:21] <useruser> IIIEars: ok
[04:21] <IFRFLYR> darinlh, right, *when* did you do the upgrade? I believe that the 1.0.6 fix was only posted in the past few hours...
[04:21] <useruser> psychonate: it means the patch is for an older/newer version of the file than the one you have, and patch couldn't find a sensible way to fix it
[04:22] <blake_> thanks kyncani, i'll try that
[04:22] <darinlh> IFRFLYR, this morning about 11 am mountain
[04:22] <psychonate> Awww :(
[04:22] <kyncani> blake_: ;)
[04:22] <useruser> psychonate: if you know any programming you can try to do it by hand
[04:22] <psychonate> I don't
[04:22] <IFRFLYR> Ah, okay. Might wanna try it again - at 21.06 EST jdong posted to the ubuntu email list: UPDATE: Firefox 1.0.6-1ubuntu1~5.04ubp1 has been marked as stable. This should end this nightmare.
[04:23] <useruser> psychonate: or you can search for a better patch or find the source that the patch wants to patch :)
[04:23] <IIIEars> blake - CRT/Flat Panel nvidia/ati/ or other? - sudo apt-reconfigure-xserver-xorg - command to fix display?
[04:23] <psychonate> useruser, I think I just need to remove a few lines from a file though. I'm afraid I'll get the wrong ones heh
[04:23] <blake_> CRT, nvidia
[04:23] <useruser> psychonate: look at the patch and try to work out what it's doing. + means lines added, - means lines removed
[04:23] <psychonate> useruser, sixth post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46138&highlight=mplayer+dvd+crash
[04:23] <darinlh> IFRFLYR, I #'d the universe and multiverse in /etc/apt/sources.conf and update/upgrade fixed it
[04:23] <IIIEars> blake - AGP or PCI?
[04:23] <blake_> both say xserver not found... i tried xf86config
[04:23] <psychonate> useruser, I'm trying to fix mplayer, since Hoary's build crashes when it encounters AC3 audio
[04:23] <blake_> AGP
[04:24] <IFRFLYR> darinlh, thanks!
[04:24] <blake_> ohh, and 4.10ubuntu
[04:24] <useruser> psychonate: yes, that's a trivial patch :)
[04:24] <IFRFLYR> I'm upgrading now with update manager. Here's hopin'.
[04:24] <kyncani> blake_: what are you still doing with warty ?
[04:24] <kyncani> blake_: why not going hoary ?
[04:24] <useruser> psychonate: just open up the file in a text editor, and look for a line like _libavcodec=something and change it to _libavcodec=no
[04:25] <blake_> my cdburner is burntout, and they haven't sent my CDs yet
[04:25] <psychonate> useruser, that's the only line that *needs* to be changed?
[04:25] <kyncani> blake_: no broadband access to update online ?
[04:25] <IIIEars> Okay - good. - lspci gave some info about where the xserver was looking for your card. - does it look like the info it gave and the info you entered match?
[04:25] <psychonate> useruser, there are some other lines in the patch file that get changed it looks like. But you're the expert ;)
[04:25] <useruser> psychonate: oh, wait
[04:26] <IFRFLYR> FF is crashing EVERY TIME I hit the print button or CTRL+P
[04:26] <IFRFLYR> 1.0.6
[04:26] <darinlh> IFRFLYR, you one up on me I never have gotten update manager to work (security keys i think)  lol
[04:26] <IFRFLYR> Any suggestions anyone?
[04:26] <blake_> i have cable, yea... do i have to add some extra repositories or what?
[04:26] <useruser> psychonate: forget that ... you're patching a patchfile
[04:26] <useruser> psychonate: that's confusing!
[04:26] <snickkers> who was it that was telling me earlier that they successfully installed mythtv ?
[04:26] <zsrin> wow
[04:26] <zsrin> ubuntu getting better
[04:26] <zsrin> :)
[04:26] <kyncani> blake_: there are very clear instructions to upgrade warty to hoary on the ubuntu wiki
[04:27] <useruser> psychonate: right, so what that patch-for-the-patchfile is doing is deleting some lines, as you said
[04:27] <psychonate> useruser, I think I can just look at the patchfile and change the lines manually, but some of it is confusing
[04:27] <zsrin> we are not far behind distro like RedHat etc..
[04:27] <blake_> awesome, should be easy since i JUST reinstalled 20 min ago
[04:27] <blake_> i'll check that out, kyncani
[04:27] <useruser> psychonate: i'd just go in there and comment out stuff that looks like what appears in the lines starting with a minus sign there
[04:27] <useruser> psychonate: (comment by putting a # at the start of the line)
[04:27] <psychonate> useruser, what does -- and -+ represent?
[04:27] <psychonate> same as - ?
[04:27] <skyhawker> is there a way to extend the 15 minute (I think) timeout for root password being typed...?
[04:28] <kyncani> blake_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/
[04:28] <useruser> psychonate: well it's confusing because it's a patch of a patchfile
[04:28] <psychonate> heh
[04:28] <useruser> psychonate: but ONLY LOOK AT THE FIRST CHARACTER
[04:28] <ColonelKernel> what are the x development libraries
[04:28] <psychonate> sounds good
[04:28] <psychonate> useruser, I'll give it a try here
[04:28] <useruser> psychonate: if it's a + it means a line added (none of those there); - means removed
[04:28] <bob2> ColonelKernel: xlibs-dev + build-essential
[04:28] <IFRFLYR> Can anyone offer any suggestions as to how I can troubleshoot this *@#*@#& FF 1.0.6 problem? It's all of a sudden. Crash when I try to print. nothing interesting in dmesg or /var/log/messages
[04:29] <bob2> ff can't crash a machine
[04:29] <IFRFLYR> No, FF is crashing itself.
[04:29] <bob2> all it could do is trigger a kernel or hardware bug
[04:29] <IFRFLYR> the program FF crashes and dies.
[04:29] <bob2> then dmesg and messages won't show anything anyway
[04:29] <ColonelKernel> thx bob2
[04:29] <mcphail> IFRFLYR: any messages if you start FF from the command line and crash?
[04:29] <useruser> IFRFLYR: maybe you could run it from a terminal and see if it prints anything interesting when it crashes
[04:29] <IFRFLYR> mcphail and useruser thanks, sounds like great minds think alike
[04:30] <mcphail> lol
[04:30] <IFRFLYR> I'll try it
[04:30] <snickkers> does anyone know the default MySQL admin username and password for ubuntu?
[04:30] <bob2> snickkers: read the README.Debian
[04:30] <psychonate> useruser, I just wonder why the Ubuntu people didn't release an update for their mplayer package themselves. It's clearly broken.
[04:31] <snickkers> bob2: where would that be?
[04:31] <useruser> psychonate: doesn't work at all on my poor old 586 machine anyway :(
[04:31] <psychonate> Whenever mplayer encounters AC3 audio, it WILL crash :(
[04:31] <bob2> snickkers: same place all documentation is, /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/
[04:31] <bob2> psychonate: which bug report did you file about that?
[04:31] <snickkers> bob2: thx
[04:31] <psychonate> bob2, I merely looked at other people who filed bug reports or made posts.
[04:32] <mmoscosa> how do you update firefox?!?!?!?!
[04:32] <bob2> posting on forums != useful bug report
[04:32] <bob2> is there a bug open about it?
[04:32] <TokenBad> is there a music cd ripper for ubuntu that converts straight to mp3?
[04:32] <wulfy814> where do I put a .ko file to install a kernel module
[04:32] <IFRFLYR> mcphail and useruser thanks, here's something: (QFA)Talkback error: Can't initialize.
[04:32] <IFRFLYR>  and then: Segmentation fault
[04:32] <supernix> Hi
[04:32] <bob2> TokenBad: grip
[04:33] <Davey> is it possible to rename a FAT32 drive? my external seagate is currently name "SEAGATE" which *sucks*
[04:33] <IFRFLYR> The latter after I hit print
[04:33] <bob2> wulfy814: you don't, generally
[04:33] <psychonate> TokenBad, all cd audio must be converted to wav, then to mp3, but there are several that will do it all for you. I prefer grip myself.
[04:33] <supernix> did anyone ever figure out how to fix the FireFox issue ?
[04:33] <TokenBad> apt-get install grip?
[04:33] <bob2> wulfy814: what module isn't included with ubuntu?
[04:33] <bob2> TokenBad: you need to install lame as well, of course
[04:33] <supernix> did anyone ever figure out how to fix the FireFox issue ?
[04:33] <bob2> snickkers: no need to repeat
[04:33] <bob2> er, supernix
[04:33] <rob_p> ColonelKernel:  Just curious... are you running KDE?
[04:33] <darinlh> supernix, yes don't upgrade :P
[04:34] <supernix> LOL so it is gonna be like that now
[04:34] <psychonate> bob2, checking about that bugreport
[04:34] <bob2> supernix: did you upgrade to 1.0.6?
[04:34] <Eilonwy05> hi all, I installed a new CD drive, and now I don't get my CDs to automount anymore.. I'm running the stock 2.6.10-5 Hoary kernel
[04:34] <snickkers> bob2: I didnt repeat... what?
[04:34] <bob2> snickkers: tab-mis-completion
[04:34] <supernix> nah bob2 I am still trying to upgrade to 1.06
[04:34] <supernix> it keeps failing
[04:35] <bob2> supernix: failing? paste the error to #flood
[04:35] <snickkers> bob2 oic, :P I just saw the red, and got antsy
[04:35] <darinlh> supernix, , I #'d the universe and multiverse in /etc/apt/sources.conf and update/upgrade fixed it
[04:35] <psychonate> bob2, well, I don't see one. It's on the forums and in the mailing list, but I don't see a bug report
[04:35] <uber_newber> sum1 say sumthin
[04:35] <darinlh> supernix, running 1.0.6
[04:36] <uber_newber> 
[04:36] <bob2> psychonate: it most likely won't be fixed unless someone files a bug
[04:36] <uber_newber> hello al
[04:36] <uber_newber> all
[04:36] <useruser> ColonelKernel: ask bob2 about your dns problem if it's still troubling you. he knows his stuff
[04:36] <TokenBad> psychonate, in grip where do you tell it where to save the files to?
[04:36] <useruser> TokenBad: in config i think
[04:37] <TokenBad> I don't see a place for it
[04:37] <supernix> did you see the message bob2
[04:37] <TokenBad> or missed it
[04:37] <skyhawker> is there a way to extend the 15 minute (I think) timeout for temp root password activation...?
[04:37] <useruser> TokenBad: in Encode file format and Rip file format
[04:37] <useruser> TokenBad: it's pretty user-unfriendly
[04:37] <useruser> skyhawker: i believe so
[04:38] <useruser> skyhawker: visudo
[04:38] <supernix> bob2, did you see the error I pasted in #flood
[04:38] <bob2> supernix: don't use backports
[04:38] <supernix> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package firefox
[04:38] <bob2> purge the firefox package
[04:38] <bob2> backports--
[04:38] <psychonate> TokeToken: Config > Encode > Encoder > Encode file format
[04:38] <supernix> ok so uninstalled the reinstall
[04:38] <supernix> ?
[04:39] <bob2> supernix: no, just get rid of the firefox package entirely, and don't install it again
[04:39] <skyhawker> useruser, ok I looked in there, and it looks like I'm in the right place, but dunno what to mod
[04:39] <useruser> skyhawker: according to the sudoers manpage, you want to change the timestamp_timeout setting
[04:39] <bob2> mozilla-firefox is the package you care about
[04:39] <supernix> But I actually want Firefox
[04:39] <skyhawker> useruser,  ah ok
[04:39] <supernix> oic ok
[04:39] <supernix> I see what your talking about now
[04:39] <bob2> supernix: yes, it's in the mozilla-firefox package
[04:39] <bob2> the backports people got the breezy firefox package and didn't rename the binaries
[04:39] <Eilonwy05> hi all, I installed a new CD drive, and now I don't get my CDs to automount anymore.. I'm running the stock 2.6.10-5 Hoary kernel
[04:40] <IFRFLYR> bob2, are you saying that uninstalling and purging ff and then reinstalling it makes sense - sorry I was away for a minute
[04:40] <bob2> IFRFLYR: no
[04:40] <skyhawker> useruser, I don't have that setings here?
[04:40] <IFRFLYR> sorry
[04:40] <useruser> skyhawker: add it, then
[04:40] <bob2> IFRFLYR: if 1.0.6 from ubuntu (not backports) is segfaulting, file a bug
[04:40] <psychonate> useruser, I need some more help now if you don't mind. I've patched that file manually, but I don't know what to do now. I've never built a deb/installed it. I've only compiled source code. I'm not sure what to do next heh.
[04:41] <IFRFLYR> Okay, thats great. Any suggestion about what to do in the meantime?
[04:41] <bob2> use mozilla to print, I suppose
[04:41] <bob2> unless you suspect you have bad ram/bad disk
[04:41] <useruser> psychonate: to build a debian package, you want to run (not as root) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[04:42] <useruser> psychonate: i'm not sure if the patches are applied automatically or not though...l
[04:42] <IFRFLYR> bob2, no i don't
[04:42] <IFRFLYR> suspect that, that is.
[04:42] <IFRFLYR> This is extremely frustrating.
[04:43] <Amaranth> bob2: backports is breaking hoary due to firefox vs mozilla-firefox?
[04:43] <psychonate> useruser, so I need to compile so it uses that patch first?
[04:43] <bob2> Amaranth: yes
[04:43] <Amaranth> bob2: i mean, because of the security release
[04:43] <bob2> go team
[04:43] <useruser> psychonate: well the patchfile you patched should patch the file configure
[04:43] <useruser> psychonate: i'd just edit that by hand to make sure :)
[04:43] <bob2> Amaranth: because their package has overlapping files but doesn't Conflict/Replace, it seems
[04:43] <snickkers> anybody know how to fix this error I get when installing the package mythtv-backend? (pasted to #flood)
[04:44] <Amaranth> bob2: and they have firefox Provide mozilla-firefox for compatibility with both releases
[04:44] <IFRFLYR> bob2, sorry can you point me to the bug reporting facility for ubuntu 5.04?
[04:44] <useruser> does reportbug work in ubuntu?
[04:45] <bob2> IFRFLYR: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[04:45] <bob2> useruser: no
[04:45] <hou5ton> can someone tell me how to bypass the sudo thing in Ubuntu .... so that I can go to root in a terminal as in other distros?
[04:45] <useruser> bob2: gah
[04:45] <IFRFLYR> Tanks, bob2
[04:45] <bob2> hou5ton: why?
[04:45] <useruser> hou5ton: sudo bash
[04:45] <bob2> or sudo -s
[04:46] <leviathann> HELP: I installed nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings but I am not getting any options in my nvidia-settings app. Anyone know what's wrong?
[04:46] <humbolt> what is your prefered journaling file system and why?
[04:46] <moshe> hello
[04:46] <bob2> leviathann: you already followed wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?
[04:46] <psychonate> useruser, I guess I'll first try a patch -p1
[04:46] <useruser> humbolt: ext3. reason: i'm lazy
[04:46] <useruser> psychonate: ok
[04:46] <leviathann> bob2, looking
[04:46] <hou5ton> it looks like sudo bash goes straight there without asking for a password ....
[04:46] <moshe> is there a way to change the settings in ubuntu so that when I pick a program that requires admin priveleges it asks for a root password instead of the user password?
[04:46] <bob2> hou5ton: ext3, most stable around
[04:46] <weilawei> Hello everyone
[04:46] <bob2> hou5ton: why do you want a root account?
[04:46] <Amaranth> bob2: I've asked them to remove firefox from backports as it is no longer needed. We'll see what happens.
[04:46] <bob2> moshe: not simply
[04:46] <bob2> Amaranth: yay
[04:47] <moshe> bob2, then how can I do it not simply? :)
[04:47] <bob2> moshe: why do you  care?
[04:47] <psychonate> useruser, aw, poop. My mistake. I get my > and < mixed up. I blanked my patch file :( lol
[04:47] <humbolt> bob2:what about ext3 performance? read performance I guess is pretty good?
[04:47] <bob2> humbolt: fine enough for me
[04:47] <Eilonwy05> hi all, I replaced my old CD drive with a new one, and now I don't get my CDs to automount anymore.. I'm running the stock 2.6.10-5 Hoary kernel
[04:47] <Andares> Can anyone send me a copy of sys/stat.h that they have verified works?
[04:47] <useruser> psychonate: patchfile shmatchfile. just change configure by hand. much more reliable :)
[04:47] <moshe> bob2, convenience, and I'm old fashioned when it comes to the whole root account scenario.
[04:48] <weilawei> I've got a 1 GB USB 2.0 stick and I'm wondering how much effort (and if there's a mini-howto or somesuch docs) it would be to make a bootable ubuntu on this
[04:48] <hou5ton> so ... by typing in sudo -s and sudo bash, what did I just do, exactly?
[04:48] <cafuego> humbolt: ext3 performance is great. It's never lost any files for me.
[04:48] <crimsun> Andares, erm...
[04:48] <moshe> in fact, it's the only issue that's of any bother to me about this distribution at this point.
[04:48] <humbolt> does anybody use lvm?
[04:48] <bob2> Andares: please don't ask for that
[04:48] <bob2> Andares: just install it properly
[04:48] <Andares> bob2, ??
[04:48] <psychonate> useruser, looks like a lot of changes though
[04:48] <useruser> hou5ton: ran a shell as root
[04:48] <mcphail> moshe: you'd need to change general permissiions in sudoers for a start then make a special case for your program
[04:48] <vic1ous> I NEED HELP lol
[04:48] <Andares> bob2, Wtf?! I did!
[04:48] <useruser> psychonate: eh? you're just removing a few lines
[04:48] <bob2> moshe: edit every menu entry to call gksu
[04:48] <humbolt> how is lvm in combination with journaling filesystems?
[04:48] <useruser> psychonate: ah, my error
[04:48] <vic1ous> ok 2 things 1 i cant get my sound to work
[04:48] <moshe> oh geez
[04:48] <cafuego> Andares: install libc6-dev for a working sys/stat.h
[04:48] <vic1ous> 2
[04:48] <moshe> it's that complicated?
[04:48] <bob2> vic1ous: no need to be annoying about it, just ask your question
[04:48] <psychonate> useruser, I've already patched the patchfile. I'm talking about the configure file now.
[04:48] <useruser> psychonate: the patchfile is big, just those changes are small
[04:48] <Andares> cafuego, I did that.
[04:48] <bob2> Andares: you'll want to install build-essential
[04:48] <hou5ton> useruser:  and so ... any command in that shell will be as root, as long as that terminal window is open, correct?
[04:48] <psychonate> useruser, yeah
[04:48] <vic1ous> my brothers isnt recognizing his video card
[04:49] <useruser> hou5ton: yes
[04:49] <bob2> Andares: assuming you plan to compile things
[04:49] <moshe> there's no blanket method of making this happen for all programs that require root priveleges?
[04:49] <skyhawker> useruser, I found that man page, about visudo, but I can't seem to get how to write it into the file...do I just tag on the end 'timestamp_timeout=60' or what?
[04:49] <hou5ton> as opposed to using sudo each time?
[04:49] <useruser> psychonate: i'd start over :)
[04:49] <cafuego> Andares: if your code won't build, you'll be missing another include, then.
[04:49] <Andares> bob2, k.
[04:49] <psychonate> useruser, already there
[04:49] <Andares> bob2, I already did.
[04:49] <humbolt> ext3 is the easiest to resize, right?
[04:49] <useruser> skyhawker: i'd guess so. unless that doesn't work
[04:49] <Andares> cafuego, WRONG! I used a test case.
[04:49] <bob2> moshe: there's no blanket way to configure how programs get root on any system
[04:49] <useruser> psychonate: :)
[04:49] <bob2> Andares: awesome
[04:49] <cafuego> I expect stat also wants sys/types.h
[04:49] <skyhawker> useruser, gave me a syntax error
[04:49] <moshe> that's not how I meant it.
[04:49] <crimsun> vic1ous, lspci -v|grep udio
[04:49] <moshe> I meant a blanket method of changing how kde and gnome seek out root priveleges to run programs.
[04:50] <Andares> cafuego, EVERYTHING else works except sys/stat.h
[04:50] <psychonate> useruser, this is such a pain. I never want to have to patch a patchfile again heh
[04:50] <Andares> I have no clue why.
[04:50] <bob2> Andares: explain in what way you think it "doesn't work"
[04:50] <cafuego> Andares: A header file doesn't "work" or "not work".
[04:50] <bob2> Andares: e.g. paste gcc errors to #flood
[04:50] <cafuego> Andares: if you have parse errors in it, you're missing a header IT depends on in your source code.
[04:50] <mcphail> moshe: they all use sudo variants and refer to sudoers
[04:51] <Andares> cafuego, I'm assuming that the enlightenment dr-17 snapshot and my test case are correct.
[04:51] <moshe> brb
[04:51] <bob2> Andares: paste the error to #flood
[04:51] <Andares> bob2, 1 sec
[04:51] <vic1ous> crimsun what does that mean
[04:51] <cafuego> Andares: I'd be surprised if a DR version of E17 actually worked
[04:51] <vic1ous> and how do i do it
[04:51] <bob2> it's far more likely you forgot another header or that e17 is just screwed
[04:51] <cafuego> s/a DR/any/
[04:51] <Andares> cafuego, this one is CONFIRMED to work.
[04:51] <crimsun> vic1ous, type it in a terminal
[04:51] <vic1ous> ok
[04:51] <cafuego> Andares: By whom? On what system?
[04:52] <bob2> Andares: then paste your test program to #flood, too
[04:52] <Andares> cafuego, by ~2 people on #e on Redhat Linux and Ubuntu.
[04:52] <useruser> skyhawker: my mistake. reading the sudoers manpage more carefully reveals that you have to add a line like Defaults timestamp_timeout=20
[04:52] <vic1ous> ok
[04:52] <vic1ous> i did
[04:52] <Andares> bob2, gimme a sec! I have to run the shell script again.
[04:52] <crimsun> vic1ous, and tell me the result?
[04:52] <cafuego> Andares: Then I guess it's about time you did paste the actual error.
[04:52] <Andares> cafuego, ...
[04:52] <Andares> 1 sec!!!
[04:52] <vic1ous> 0000:02:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04)
[04:52] <cafuego> shall script? just type 'make'.
[04:53] <supernix> bob2, everytime I try to uninstall firefox it wants to upgrade mozilla-firefox and if I try to remove mozilla-firefox then it wants to uninstall ubuntu-desktop
[04:53] <crimsun> vic1ous, amixer sset 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack' on
[04:53] <Andares> cafuego & bob2, Sorry.. ehehe... reinstalling libc6-dev and build-essential fixed it.
[04:53] <vic1ous> ??
[04:53] <vic1ous> type that in terminal?
[04:53] <crimsun> vic1ous, yes
[04:54] <bob2> supernix: just get rid of firefox however you can
[04:54] <Eilonwy05> hi all, I replaced my old CD drive with a new one, and now I don't get my CDs to automount anymore.. I'm running the stock 2.6.10-5 Hoary kernel
[04:54] <Dr_Melectaus> Has anyone got any links to installing ut2k3 on ubuntu. ive been looking around for a few hours and i cant seem to find anything of use
[04:54] <vic1ous> ok
[04:54] <paulproteus> supernix: It's okay to remove ubuntu-desktop (especially temporarily).
[04:54] <paulproteus> It's just a virtual package.
[04:54] <Dr_Melectaus> and yes ive used google ;(
[04:54] <supernix> Gladly but not sure how I can do that
[04:55] <useruser> how do i get a /dev/cdrom symlink created on boot? (the Right Way)
[04:55] <supernix> Ouch if I remove ubuntu desktop wont that get rid of my GUI ?
[04:55] <psychonate> useruser, I guess I'm supposed to use this dpatch utility for this large patch
[04:55] <wiegehts> oh no, no gui
[04:55] <vic1ous> yay
[04:55] <vic1ous> IT WORKS
[04:55] <vic1ous> TY
[04:55] <moshe> back
[04:55] <crimsun> yw
[04:55] <Super_BQ> hi!
[04:55] <vic1ous> ok now one more thing crimsun
[04:55] <Super_BQ> any cron users here?
[04:55] <bob2> supernix: don't get rid of ubuntu-desktop
[04:55] <bob2> supernix: just remove the firefox package
[04:55] <moshe> mcphail, what do you mean they all use sudo variants?
[04:56] <cafuego> Super_BQ: All Ubuntu boxen use cron.
[04:56] <moshe> there's no way to change it to su from sudo?
[04:56] <vic1ous> my brother installs it but the x server crashes when it tries to load the gdm thing
[04:56] <vic1ous> he runs a radeon 850 xt
[04:56] <Super_BQ> cafuego: i'm new to using cron
[04:56] <mcphail> useruser: man udev?
[04:56] <_SD_Keo> Wait Vic, did you install it?
[04:56] <cafuego> Super_BQ: It's pretty easy.
[04:56] <Super_BQ> cafuego: i've noticed that in the /etc directory there's a dedicated cron for each ie. daily, weekly, monthly etc.
[04:56] <vic1ous> install what
[04:56] <_SD_Keo> ubuntu
[04:56] <vic1ous> yea
[04:56] <cafuego> Super_BQ: if you want a script to run once a day, put it in /etc/cron.daily/
[04:56] <skyhawker> useruser, yeah I just found that, and switched back here to find you saying t./.. thanks for the help
[04:56] <Super_BQ> cafuego: do I just edit a crontab in each respected folder?
[04:57] <Dr_Melectaus> Has anyone got any links to installing ut2k3 on ubuntu. ive been looking around for a few hours and i cant seem to find anything of use
[04:57] <Super_BQ> cafuego: hehe. that's what I was thinking
[04:57] <humbolt> what are the reserved blocks in ext3 setup for?
[04:57] <_SD_Keo> Anyone wish to help me set up ALSA?
[04:57] <cafuego> Super_BQ: if you want a different schedule, you can have a user-specific criontab file. 'crontab -e' to edit it. 'man 5 crontab' for info.
[04:57] <Super_BQ> cafuego: will Ubunto run the cron file in thoses folders regardless who logs in?
[04:57] <psychonate> eh, this dpatch looks complicated
[04:57] <bob2> humbolt: so root has some space to work in when users fill it up
[04:57] <hondje> for root, so you don't crap out your filesystem
[04:57] <cafuego> Super_BQ: Yes. And it will run it as root.
[04:57] <crimsun> _SD_Keo, it should already be configured.
[04:57] <hondje> Dr_Melectaus: there's a how-to in the ubuntu forums' gaming forum
[04:57] <cafuego> Super_BQ: if you run 'crontab -e' it will run it as user.
[04:58] <crimsun> _SD_Keo, what sound card do you have?
[04:58] <TokenBad> thanks to those that told me to get grip..worked great
[04:58] <Dr_Melectaus> is there?
[04:58] <Super_BQ> cafuego: when I type crontab -e and make the entries.. when I try to save it.. do I just save it in which folder?
[04:58] <_SD_Keo> crimsun: Intel ICH5
[04:58] <Dr_Melectaus> jesus h christ. ive been trailing thru google links for fookin hours
[04:58] <cafuego> Super_BQ: it will save it where it needs to go all automagically.
[04:58] <crimsun> _SD_Keo, cat /proc/asound/modules
[04:59] <Super_BQ> cafuego: it default saved to /tmp/crontab.nPxKPI/crontab
[04:59] <Super_BQ> cafuego: doesn't look like it should go there
[04:59] <useruser> mcphail: aha! my debian box has /etc/udev/cdsymlinks.conf ... maybe that'll do the job in ubuntu too
[04:59] <cafuego> Super_BQ: Yes, but the 'crontab' script will move that once you're finished.
[04:59] <Madpilot> evening, all
[04:59] <Andares> Next question on the agenda: How do get Ubuntu to recognize my second monitor?
[04:59] <Andares> In fact, how do I change the screen res??
[04:59] <cafuego> Super_BQ: ... and it will end up somewhere under /var/spool/cron
[05:00] <useruser> psychonate: i don't really understand how patches are applied to debian patches actually
[05:00] <Super_BQ> no crontab for administrator - using an empty one
[05:00] <Super_BQ> crontab: installing new crontab
[05:00] <Super_BQ> errors in crontab file, can't install.
[05:00] <Super_BQ> Do you want to retry the same edit? y
[05:00] <mcphail> useruser: udev is a wiley beast. Don't hold your breath!
[05:00] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: please don't do that again
[05:00] <Super_BQ> that's what I get :|
[05:00] <useruser> psychonate: maybe it's automatic when you build the package
[05:00] <_SD_Keo> crimsun: 0 snd_intel8x0   is the output
[05:00] <cafuego> Super_BQ: read the manual page for the syntax.
[05:00] <cafuego> Super_BQ: 'man 5 crontab'
[05:00] <humbolt> bob2:but as long as the disk is not filled up, root will use the normal space, right.
[05:00] <useruser> mcphail: yes... interestingly, although debian creates the symlink for me, all the lines in the file are commented out...
[05:00] <bob2> humbolt: yup
[05:00] <crimsun> _SD_Keo, now paste the output from amixer onto the topic pastebin
[05:00] <uber_newber> sum1 talk
[05:00] <cafuego> Super_BQ: You need to specify WHEN the script will run if you do it this way.
[05:00] <bob2> humbolt: it's just a bit of wiggle room for when things are really screwed
[05:00] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2, ubuntu is debian based! and seeing as i didnt get an aswer in here its fairly logical
[05:00] <cafuego> sum1 spell
[05:01] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: no, sorry, it's not.
[05:01] <Super_BQ> ok will man 5 crontab
[05:01] <Dr_Melectaus> uhm well.. it is!
[05:01] <humbolt> bob2: so 200mb for that will be enough
[05:01] <bob2> humbolt: tons
[05:01] <bob2> humbolt: for drives storing just user data (like /music/) I tend to set it to 0
[05:02] <Dr_Fate>  noone knows of a simple way to associate the mms protocol with an extermal app besides Totem?
[05:02] <bob2> presuambly it's in the gnome preferences somewhere
[05:02] <bob2> google doesnt know?
[05:02] <Eilonwy05> anyone know why my CDs would stop automounting after swapping one CD drive for another?
[05:02] <_SD_Keo> crimsun: Alright I posted it
[05:03] <Dr_Melectaus> jesus, why are the debian peeps so tightly wounde
[05:03] <bob2> Eilonwy05: none of them automount anymore?
[05:03] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: becaure you're being highly annoying
[05:03] <Eilonwy05> bob2, nope.  none of them.
[05:03] <Andares> o_O 2048x1024 is like 1024x768 for some reason..
[05:03] <bob2> Eilonwy05: maybe the drive doesn't notify the kernel about insertions
[05:03] <Dr_Melectaus> i asked a fucking question you retard! whats the crime
[05:04] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: please read the code of conduct
[05:04] <HrdwrBoB> Dr_Melectaus: if you want ut2k3 forget it
[05:04] <cafuego> Clever, insult an op.
[05:04] <HrdwrBoB> ut2k4 has a linux version
[05:04] <HrdwrBoB> ut2k4 does not.
[05:04] <HrdwrBoB> er ut2k3 does not.
[05:04] <Dr_Melectaus> Well all i asked was a question, and they got me banned
[05:04] <nickrud> Dr_Melectaus, take a breath, that's debian :)
[05:04] <supernix> Finally got FIreFox updated now it wont start
[05:04] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: yes, after you were politely asked to leave
[05:05] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: you have an ubuntu question, ask it here
[05:05] <Dr_Melectaus> its a public channel
[05:05] <bob2> and HrdwrBoB kindly answered you
[05:05] <Dr_Melectaus> i didnt do anything to cause offence up until that point
[05:05] <Dr_Melectaus> but no one in here answerd bob2
[05:05] <HrdwrBoB> Dr_Melectaus: your attitude is confrontational
[05:05] <Dr_Melectaus> hence why i tried other chans
[05:05] <Eilonwy05> bob2, how would I tell if that's the case?
[05:05] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: your attitude is terrible, and #debian is not an approriate place to ask for ubuntu help
[05:06] <bob2> and you have an answer now, so lets move on
[05:06] <bob2> Eilonwy05: hm, I don't know, aside from automounting magicaly not working
[05:06] <wiegehts> debian is uber geeks that in general were picked on untill the graduated, now, in cyberland they are getting back!
[05:06] <Dr_Melectaus> ubuntu is debian based, and if i dont get a q answerd in here its the next logical place to check
[05:06] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: no, it's not, sorry
[05:06] <bob2> you can continue arguing in #ubuntu-offtopic if you like, but this channel is for ubuntu help
[05:06] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2, care to explain as to why you think its not the next logical place to check?
[05:06] <bob2> wiegehts: please don't make it worse
[05:07] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:07] <Eilonwy05> bob2, I guess that might be a sign :)
[05:07] <Andares> Hi.
[05:07] <Andares> In what package could I find X11/Xauth.h?
[05:07] <supernix> Finally got FIreFox updated now it wont start
[05:07] <crimsun> _SD_Keo, I need amixer output, not /proc/asound/modules
[05:07] <bob2> Eilonwy05: maybe dbus-monitor?
[05:07] <crimsun> Andares, check using packages.ubuntu.com
[05:07] <supernix> moving backwards here
[05:07] <bob2> Andares: install xlibs-dev
[05:07] <Andares> k.
[05:07] <bob2> Andares: note that it will be broken if you're using breezy
[05:08] <nickrud> Dr_Melectaus, bob2 has better things to, but basically,
[05:08] <quad> is anyone else (or has anyone else) having a problem with breezy getting an ip from dhcp?
[05:08] <bob2> quad: does setting it statically work?
[05:08] <_SD_Keo> crimsun: Do you want it all?
[05:08] <quad> bob2: my isp doesn't allow them
[05:08] <crimsun> _SD_Keo, on the pastebin, yes
[05:09] <Andares> Ahh 17 packages needed!
[05:09] <bob2> quad: does "pump" instead of dhclient work?
[05:09] <bob2> default kernel?
[05:09] <nickrud> ubuntu is a unique thing. Ask ubuntu what ubuntu does.
[05:09] <_SD_Keo> crimsun: Done
[05:09] <quad> bob2: lemme check pump, it is the default kernel
[05:09] <razerslut> hi, i am having trouble with my music player and ubuntu, things like memory leak and having to reboot, can anyone tell me why?
[05:09] <jmspeex> OK, can anyone here summarize how to get a working firefox binary (running 1.0.2-0ubuntu5.4 now)
[05:09] <jmspeex> ?
[05:09] <bob2> jmspeex: install 1.0.6 from ubuntu-security
[05:09] <quad> bob2: i don't have a program called pump
[05:10] <bob2> you'll need to install it
[05:10] <bob2> which is perhaps hard if you have no network
[05:10] <wiegehts> lol
[05:10] <crimsun> _SD_Keo, try muting External Amplifier
[05:10] <jmspeex> bob2: how?
[05:10] <_SD_Keo> crimsun: No external Amplifier
[05:10] <bob2> jmspeex: however you normally update packages
[05:10] <crimsun> _SD_Keo, sure there is. amixer sset 'External Amplifier' off
[05:10] <quad> bob2: yeah, lemme see what i can do
[05:11] <_SD_Keo> crimsun: ty lol, I'm a little slow tonight
[05:11] <vic1ous> does the x850xtpe not work with ubuntu????
[05:11] <jmspeex> bob2: Oh, OK, it only just appeared...
[05:11] <jmspeex> (unless my mirror is late?)
[05:12] <_SD_Keo> crimsun: Done
[05:12] <StyxAlso> What packages do I need installing if I want to set up IP forwarding?
[05:12] <bob2> jmspeex: yeah, only recently (=today)
[05:12] <StyxAlso> s/need installing/need to install/
[05:12] <crimsun> _SD_Keo, does that help?
[05:12] <_SD_Keo> crimsun: I'll check
[05:13] <Eilonwy05> bob2, dbus-monitor shows a few lines when I first start it, but nothing after inserting and ejecting several CDs and DVDs, both burned and pressed
[05:13] <jmspeex> bob2: I tried a couple hours ago and it wasn't there. Good to see it's finally be fixed!
[05:13] <_SD_Keo> crimsun: It still gives me the error that the card is not configured properly, or it's blocked in XMMS
[05:13] <bob2> Eilonwy05: hm, ok
[05:13] <Eilonwy05> i gotta go for a few
[05:13] <Eilonwy05> bbl
[05:13] <bob2> Eilonwy05: I dunno then, sorry.  maybe file a bug on...hal?
[05:13] <razerslut> hi, i am having trouble with my music player and ubuntu, things like memory leak and having to reboot, does anyone have any idea why
[05:13] <LinuxMoron> is there a password manager like roboform for firefox for linux?
[05:14] <razerslut> does anyone kno how to make amarok play files if it wont?
[05:14] <crimsun> _SD_Keo, err you should have said that from the beginning
[05:14] <phlit> Does anyone have any advice on getting my graphics card driver installed without firefox/similar hard freezing the system? Or am I stuck without video accel?
[05:14] <razerslut> i dont think it has an engine selected and there is not one for me to choose
[05:14] <isai> just installed ubuntu, i want gcc, which one should I use?
[05:14] <bob2> LinuxMoron: firefox just remembers paswords for you as a normal feature
[05:14] <bob2> razerslut: try #kubuntu
[05:14] <crimsun> _SD_Keo, lspci -v|grep udio
[05:14] <bob2> isai: install build-essential
[05:14] <razerslut> bob2: i use gnome though
[05:14] <razerslut> i am not running kubuntu
[05:15] <bob2> but perhaps they use amarok
[05:15] <isai> thanks
[05:15] <razerslut> k
[05:15] <crimsun> vic1ous, what is that?
[05:15] <_SD_Keo> crimsun: Do you need me to put the output in the pastebin?
[05:15] <crimsun> _SD_Keo, it should be only 1 line, you can paste it here
[05:15] <qt2> what's the difference between static and dynamic tarballs for software packages?
[05:15] <vic1ous> ok my brother installed ubuntu and when it comes up to the desktop it crashes with a video error
[05:16] <bob2> qt2: dynamic require you to have extra libraries installed to run it, static do not
[05:16] <vic1ous> something about x server
[05:16] <bob2> except that's not true, since glibc always dynamically links nss
[05:16] <_SD_Keo> crimsun: It's more than one line, the card name is quite long..
[05:16] <bob2> LinuxMoron: please don't /msg people
[05:16] <crimsun> _SD_Keo, ok, then use pastebin
[05:16] <bob2> LinuxMoron: I dunno, look on mozdev.org
[05:16] <qt2> bob2, ah, i see.
[05:16] <isai> fonts are fuzzy, already tried adjusting system->fonts. Any other ideas?
[05:16] <_SD_Keo> crimsun: Done
[05:17] <bob2> useruser: ?
[05:17] <LinuxMoron> sorry bob2
[05:17] <bob2> that's ok
[05:17] <LinuxMoron> thanks
[05:17] <desrt> LinuxMoron; you're better off to talk in the channel
[05:18] <desrt> that way when bob says something that's wrong people will correct him :)
[05:18] <vic1ous> ok here is the error that my brother is getting : I cannot start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly. would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?
[05:18] <crimsun> _SD_Keo, paste the output from lsmod onto pastebin
[05:18] <leviathann> bob2, thanks!
[05:18] <nickrud> that is so funny
[05:18] <crimsun> vic1ous, has he followed the directions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?
[05:18] <bob2> desrt: amen
[05:19] <_SD_Keo> crimsun: Done
[05:19] <vic1ous> no he didnt have internet
[05:19] <bob2> leviathann: np
[05:19] <crimsun> vic1ous, but you do now, so ... :)
[05:19] <leviathann> I try running update-notifier and nvclock from 'run application' but nothing happens?
[05:19] <bob2> leviathann: gksudo nvclock
[05:20] <crimsun> _SD_Keo, and paste the output from cat /proc/asound/cards onto pastebin
[05:20] <supernix> I can't get FF to start unless I issue the command as root
[05:21] <BRKN_LDDR>  why is it that every time i reboot i have to type ctrl-d to boot?
[05:21] <_SD_Keo> crimsun: Done
[05:21] <leviathann> bob2, I tried that in run application but again nothing happened, do I need to open a terminal?
[05:21] <desrt> BRKN_LDDR; are you booting in single-user or recovery mode?
[05:21] <paulproteus> Now, _SD_Keo, paste the URL in here.
[05:21] <BRKN_LDDR> and why is it that using my dvd with most apps causes processes to go into D status, and i have to reboot because i can't kill them?
[05:21] <bob2> leviathann: possibly
[05:21] <_SD_Keo> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/771
[05:21] <BRKN_LDDR> desrt ehh...lemme check
[05:22] <bob2> BRKN_LDDR: usualy bad disk or bad dvd drive
[05:22] <crimsun> _SD_Keo, now change the output plugin in XMMS to esound
[05:22] <_SD_Keo> That does work
[05:22] <bluefoxicy> metacity in breezy could use one hell of a lot of work before october.
[05:22] <BRKN_LDDR> it's a brand new drive, and the discs don't make a difference
[05:22] <_SD_Keo> crimsun: That does work
[05:22] <BRKN_LDDR> i think it's got to be a driver issue if nothing else
[05:22] <desrt> bluefoxicy; elaborate?
[05:22] <BRKN_LDDR> it never has problems doing cd stuf
[05:23] <_SD_Keo> crimsun: But I'd like to get ALSA working for Cedega
[05:23] <leviathann> bob2, nope, nothing
[05:23] <bluefoxicy> For anyone not running breezy (and desrt) (most of the sane people here I hope), when opening a new window, every virtual desktop's windows are displayed for a few seconds, before the window opens as normal on whatever vdesk you're on
[05:23] <bluefoxicy> quite harmless, but humorous
[05:23] <vic1ous> crimsun: are we supposed to type this in the terminal/console thingy cat /proc/pci
[05:23] <desrt> interesting
[05:23] <BRKN_LDDR> desrt yeah it's technically in single user mode from menu.lst..but it was before and this never happened.  i changed default to 1 then back to 0 and now it's actually making this affect.  i'll just change it..that's probably the problem.  tahnks
[05:23] <desrt> bluefoxicy; i don't get that
[05:24] <desrt> bluefoxicy; are you running the metacity that was uploaded earlier today?
[05:24] <crimsun> _SD_Keo, then you need to do two things: (1) System> Preferences> Sound> uncheck the Enable Sound server startup ; (2) System> Preferences> Multimedia Systems Selector> Default sink> ALSA
[05:24] <Madpilot> I"m glad, once again, that I'm not running Breezy... beta-testing an entire OS is a bit OTT
[05:24] <bluefoxicy> desrt:  yes, earlier today.
[05:24] <bluefoxicy> as of about an hour ago
[05:24] <desrt> Madpilot; you shouldn't think of it as betatesting so much...
[05:24] <bluefoxicy> ok, so as of some time within a half hour of 18:53 EST
[05:24] <bluefoxicy> (currently it's 23:24 est)
[05:24] <desrt> Yendor; read the wikipage
[05:24] <Madpilot> desrt: seems like it to me?
[05:25] <nickrud> lol, it's alpha, Madpilot
[05:25] <Yendor> Problem, to be specific, is with Java GUI-based programs, and the locale it's grabbing.
[05:25] <desrt> Yendor; there is a utility in ubuntu that turns sun's java packages into .deb files
[05:25] <paulproteus> desrt: It's called make-jpkg and it comes from the package java-package in multiverse.
[05:25] <_SD_Keo> crimsun: The Multimedia Systems Selector window Goes away whenever I click it, should I reboot?
[05:25] <desrt> paulproteus; quite. :)
[05:25] <ajmitch> Madpilot: some of us don't mind :)
[05:25] <Yendor> desrt: Yes, that's how I've installed my Sun JDK.
[05:25] <crimsun> _SD_Keo, sure
[05:25] <desrt> Yendor; odd.  your problem sounds too specific for me to care :P
[05:26] <crimsun> _SD_Keo, / vic1ous, have to go now. G'luck.
[05:26] <paulproteus> debian-administration.org has an article on make-jpkg
[05:26] <_SD_Keo> crimsun: eek! nevermind, It just scared me when I hit test
[05:26] <desrt> Yendor; ie: if my java was broken in the same way i probably wouldn't even notice
[05:26] <Madpilot> ajmitch: yeah, and when Breezy releases, I'll be glad some of you are braver than me! ;)
[05:26] <Yendor> desrt: I installed it that way long ago.  And, indeed, I uninstalled and reinstalled it today.
[05:26] <_SD_Keo> crimsun: Bye crimsun
[05:26] <Yendor> desrt: Good for you.  I'm a Java programmer, so I kinda need it.  ;-)
[05:26] <Madpilot> and if I had a 2nd computer, I'd stick Breezy on it, just to mess around in...
[05:26] <ajmitch> Madpilot: some of us have to use it to find & fix the bugs before release
[05:26] <quad> bob2: i am trying to install pump, but my cdrom isn't mounting
[05:28] <bluefoxicy> wow
[05:28] <bluefoxicy> I have a really shitty sense of time.
[05:28] <Yendor> desrt: From what I've been able to google, this problem is not specific to Ubuntu, or to Java 1.4.2_07, or to Sun's JDK, even.
[05:28] <quad> doens't ubuntu have cdrom drives automount?
[05:28] <bluefoxicy> not half hour ago, but 4.5 hours ago apparently I last updated (I apt-get update upgraded before reloading X, and I immediately connect to IRC when I log in. . .)
[05:28] <desrt> Yendor; but was it working properly before today?
[05:29] <razerslut> /dev/dsp is in use by another program
[05:29] <Yendor> desrt: Google turns up the same problem with JDK 1.1.3 in 1998, on IBM JDK, Blackdown, inside Oracle installations, on SUSE, etc.
[05:29] <razerslut> what does this mean in amarok?
[05:29] <pulp> hey ppl
[05:29] <Yendor> desrt: Yes.  It was working perfectly on Friday, and I upgraded today.
[05:29] <pulp> can someone help me out with WPA and FreeRadius setup?
[05:31] <quad> bob2: pump worked
[05:31] <Yendor> desrt: If there's an easy way to back-grade from Breezy to Hoary, I'm up for that, but I have a tendency to doubt that...
[05:31] <desrt> Yendor; there is a way back
[05:31] <desrt> Yendor; it involves debfoster, patience and skill
[05:31] <Yendor> Hmmm
[05:32] <Yendor> desrt: Is there a HOWTO out there for it?
[05:32] <desrt> Yendor; your best bet is just to reinstall hoary
[05:32] <desrt> Yendor; it's easiest/fastest
[05:32] <dazzed> hey can anyone point me in the right direction to .Xdefaults file
[05:33] <desrt> dazzed; ~
[05:33] <dazzed> desrt: u sure?
[05:33] <desrt> dazzed; oh ya
[05:33] <JaZYLNX> hey guys i got a question i just installed the 5.04 on ppc and when i run apt-get update.. it doesn't process any sites, do i have to add them? and if so.. how
[05:33] <desrt> anything with a name like that could only live in ~
[05:34] <dazzed> desrt: negative :(
[05:34] <concept10> !repositories
[05:34] <ubotu> from memory, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:34] <concept10> JaZYLNX, go there
[05:34] <JaZYLNX> thanks
[05:34] <warp_> hi
[05:35] <warp_> have a question
[05:35] <paulproteus> warp_: Good.  Ask it.
[05:35] <warp_> please see this web http://pastebin.com/320744
[05:36] <paulproteus> man sudoers
[05:36] <paulproteus> warp_: You can configure sudo to allow your user to do that without a password.
[05:36] <supernix> Has anyone figured out how to fix FireFox ?
[05:36] <supernix> I got it reinstalled but it will not start unless I am in root
[05:37] <warp_> only in that prog i would like not to promp the pass
[05:37] <Yendor> supernix: Have you created a new Profile?
[05:37] <supernix> um nope
[05:37] <Yendor> supernix: Try that.
[05:38] <paulproteus> warp_: Please, listen to what I said.
[05:38] <warp_> it s for ubuntu start up
[05:38] <wicho_> algun programa en donde pueda cargarl los subtitulos a las peliculas?
[05:38] <paulproteus> warp_: You can configure sudo to allow your user to do that without a password.
[05:38] <paulproteus> man sudoers
[05:38] <paulproteus> If it's for startup, you would be best-off putting it in an init script.
[05:39] <concept10> supernix, you must downgrade
[05:39] <concept10> anyone have a good eye for color?
[05:39] <Dr_Melectaus> whats the force quit command?
[05:40] <supernix> what do you mean I must downgrade ?
[05:40] <supernix> I don't see anything for creating a profile Yendor
[05:40] <dougsk> Dr_Melectaus, you can use xkill or killall -9 appname
[05:40] <warp_>  paulproteus it s like this i dont want to change sudo options i only need to auto run this prog alone i woul like sudo to continue asking for pass in other aplications
[05:40] <JaZYLNX> is there a specfic channel for ubuntu ppc
[05:40] <JaZYLNX> ?
[05:41] <Dr_Fate> can you guys play mms video streams in your FF browsers?
[05:41] <supernix> concept10, what will downgrading do ?
[05:42] <Dr_Fate> mine keeps opening Totem
[05:42] <razerslut> can someone help me with amarok? i am getting this error: /dev/dsp already in use by another program
[05:42] <concept10> supernix, i thought you were talking about problems with the new firefox upgrade
[05:42] <JaZYLNX> because i need some help with the pdbuttons
[05:43] <JaZYLNX> they don't seem to be working
[05:43] <warp_> need help
[05:43] <ajax_> razerslut, lsof /dev/sp will tell you what app is using /dev/dsp
[05:43] <paulproteus> !!!!
[05:43] <garciadc> anybody have amd64 laptop?
[05:43] <ubotu> paulproteus: Bugger all, i dunno
[05:43] <supernix> well concept10 actually I did remove completely all firefox then I reinstalled with the official packages and now it will not start
[05:43] <dougsk> Dr_Fate, apparently that's possible with mplayerplug-in, but tbh, I can't verify that personally
[05:43] <paulproteus> WARP, listen to me!
[05:43] <warp_> ok
[05:43] <paulproteus> warp_: You can configure sudo to allow your user to do JUST THAT without a password.
[05:43] <paulproteus> THAT SINGLE COMMAND.
[05:43] <paulproteus> HOWEVER:
[05:43] <warp_> how?
[05:43] <razerslut> ajax_:esd     7145  jon    5w   CHR   14,3      7786 /dev/dsp
[05:44] <paulproteus> Read the sudoers man page.
[05:44] <razerslut> what app is that?
[05:44] <paulproteus> man sudoers
[05:44] <Dr_Fate> dougsk, apparently not as i have that installed
[05:44] <paulproteus> If you want it done at boot, however, I urge you not to bother with sudo.
[05:44] <paulproteus> You SHOULD create an init script.
[05:44] <paulproteus> And then install it with update-rc.d
[05:44] <dougsk> Dr_Fate, no worries, I ran across that the other day and gave up.  I looked for a downloaded version of the vid and eventually found it
[05:44] <ajax_> razerslut, and, amarok looks to use arts (the kde sound daemon) not esd (the gnome sound daemon)
[05:44] <paulproteus> warp_: If you need to read more about init scripts, that's fine - do so.
[05:44] <razerslut> ah
[05:44] <razerslut> ok
[05:44] <paulproteus> They are the way to make things happen on boot (or shutdown).
[05:45] <razerslut> can you recommend a player for gnome that is like amarok?
[05:45] <razerslut> or that is not rhythmbox, specifically?
[05:45] <paulproteus> If you need examples for some, you can look in /etc/init.d
[05:45] <razerslut> or xmms?
[05:45] <Yendor> supernix: firefox -ProfileManager
[05:45] <paulproteus> razerslut: quodliet
[05:45] <paulproteus> quodlibet
[05:45] <ajax_> try muine, it's different :)
[05:45] <warp_> thanks
[05:45] <warp_> will do
[05:45] <razerslut> is that german?
[05:45] <garciadc> any help w/ DVD playback?
[05:45] <warp_> thanks again
[05:45] <poningru> ajax_: where did you get your nick?
[05:46] <rob^> ubotu tell garciadc about restrictedformats
[05:46] <ajax_> from the illiad
[05:46] <garciadc> cd reads, but not dvd
[05:46] <paulproteus> razerslut: No, the name is in Latin.
[05:46] <paulproteus> Join #quodlibet on irc.oftc.net to find the developers.
[05:46] <razerslut> interesting
[05:46] <paulproteus> It's packaged in Debian, at least.  I recommend it as a not-sucky music program similar to rhythmbox.
[05:46] <paulproteus> It's written in Python and has good tag editing features, too.
[05:46] <razerslut> alright
[05:46] <paulproteus> Plus a Lyrics plugin that lets you right-click view lyrics for a song.
[05:46] <paulproteus> http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet
[05:47] <razerslut> is there a way to make the esd sound engine work for amarok, does anyone know?
[05:47] <garciadc> anybody have problems with screensavers just giving scramblings when they kick in?
[05:48] <thr1ce> razerslut, xine-lib or arts
[05:49] <thr1ce> paulproteus, how well does it work ?
[05:49] <paulproteus> thr1ce: For quodlibet?  I think it uses PyAO for audio output.
[05:49] <levander> Has anybody written an article on the way the ubuntu development process works? Like how they decide which version of a package to put in a release?
[05:49] <thr1ce> paulproteus, no, i was talking about his amarok question
[05:49] <garciadc> bueller
[05:50] <concept10> paulproteus, Is that app better/faster than rhythmbox?
[05:50] <Madpilot> garciadc: do you have 3d drivers installed? lots of the xscreensavers seem to use OpenGL
[05:50] <ESKILO> what dvd playing app is most likely to work well in ubuntu?
[05:50] <levander> Like, breezy now has svk 1.0 in it, how do I get an idea if they will upgrade that version before they release Breezy?
[05:50] <rob^> ESKILO, totem-xine, xine
[05:50] <ESKILO> ogle/gxine make my dvd player "crash"
[05:50] <thr1ce> levander, whatever is stable
[05:50] <ESKILO> thoggen works fine
[05:50] <ESKILO> but is incredibly slow
[05:50] <ESKILO> probably the encoder
[05:50] <rob^> ESKILO, have you got libdvdcss2?
[05:50] <levander> thr1ce: how they decide what is stable?
[05:51] <ESKILO> yup
[05:51] <thr1ce> levander, testing of course
[05:51] <rob^> does regular xine crash your system?
[05:51] <Micksa> okay, so if I ask a question related to breezy, is everyone going to tell me to just use hoary?
[05:51] <ESKILO> gxine does
[05:51] <ESKILO> i don't have xine
[05:51] <desrt> Micksa; depends on your question
[05:51] <levander> thr1ce: they just have some developer who runs a bunch of tests on it to say if a version is stable or not?
[05:51] <ESKILO> thoggen works though.
[05:51] <rob^> ESKILO, whatever works for you then
[05:51] <thr1ce> levander, um, some devloper, and a few hundred others, plus users
[05:51] <ESKILO> rob^ they don't "crash my system" per se, but any app that touchces the dvd player goes to D status and can't be killed.
[05:52] <garciadc> i have via k8n800 chipset w/ integrated graphics, but Fx stopped downloading altogether
[05:52] <levander> thr1ce: and how do they know if the users are having trouble with a release?
[05:52] <rob^> ESKILO, you should file a bug if it keeps happening
[05:52] <levander> thr1ce: there is a giant bugzilla somewhere?
[05:52] <luckyaba> what does give voice mean?
[05:52] <thr1ce> levander, of course...not sure where
[05:53] <Yendor> levander: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[05:53] <garciadc> I can't even mount drive w/ dvd in it; only cd
[05:53] <levander> so if there just aren't any serious bugs in bugzilla.ubuntu.com, they go with that release?
[05:53] <ajmitch> levander: most packages are synced from debian, there's an upstream version freeze, after which is mainly stablilising of the distribution
[05:53] <ESKILO> i'm thinking of going back to gnome..so tough
[05:53] <skalpel> can someone help me with getting amarok to use the esd sound engine?
[05:54] <zerboxx> When shutting down ubuntu I see "Save Current Setup" what does that do?
[05:54] <paulproteus> concept10: God yes.
[05:54] <paulproteus> better - does tagging
[05:54] <paulproteus> Faster - MUCH faster.
[05:54] <ajmitch> levander: per you example, svk is in universe, which is cared for by the MOTUs
[05:54] <nickrud> zerboxx, it will save the window layout on your desktops as best it can, for the next login.
[05:55] <zerboxx> nickrud: What do you mean? Any programs I have running will restart?
[05:55] <paulproteus> Good night, all!
[05:55] <levander> ajmitch: who are the MOTUs?
[05:56] <nickrud> zerboxx, any program that understands the way gnome controlls it's sessions; for example openoffice will not be saved
[05:56] <ajmitch> levander: most of this information is on the wiki, btw, including about the MOTUs :)
[05:56] <humbolt> is there a default root password set on ubuntu installation?
[05:56] <levander> ajmitch: that's what I was asking for originally, an article
[05:56] <MrGardenHoseMan> what's the command to enable a pppoe adsl connection?
[05:57] <NeoChaosX> humbolt: no
[05:57] <zerboxx> nickrud: Ah ok, but if I save and have x-chat it may restart (for example)?
[05:57] <levander> ajmitch: there is a page on the wiki that summarizes the development process?
[05:57] <ESKILO> i installed totem-xine but can't find it
[05:57] <cafuego> MrGardenHoseMan: After you've set it up, 'pon <providername>'
[05:57] <MrGardenHoseMan> ahh thanks
[05:57] <NeoChaosX> ESKILO: it's sitll the same shortcut on the menu, Totem Movie Player
[05:57] <ajmitch> levander: not sure if there's a summary as such
[05:58] <IceDC571> does anyone here use nforce audio?
[05:58] <ajmitch> levander: there are things like the release schedule, which has the milestones
[05:58] <humbolt> NeoChaosX:?? Which means?
[05:58] <levander> ajmitch: yeah, i've looked at the release schedule
[05:58] <VonBismark> Hello! Somebody knows distro's or systems "all-in-one" like clarkconnect? With mail, dns, proxy,firewall etc... With WebBased Admin?
[05:58] <humbolt> I was not asked for any pwd. And now I can't log in as root?!
[05:58] <NeoChaosX> you use sudo rather than logging in as root
[05:58] <ESKILO> menu?
[05:58] <nickrud> zerboxx, I haven't tried xchat. I only trust a few apps for restart, actually
[05:58] <ESKILO> NeoChaosX  the file doesn't apper in /usr/bin
[05:58] <NeoChaosX> oh
[05:58] <skalpel> does anyone know where i can find info on an app called quodlibet?
[05:58] <Madpilot> is there a better GUI-based FTP client for Hoary than gFTP?
[05:59] <NeoChaosX> /usr/bin/totem
[05:59] <levander> ajmitch: so, when they freeze upstream for stabilization.  Who fixes the bugs?  Do the guys who wrote the program originally fix the bugs?  Or, does whoever's working on that distribution fix the bugs?
[05:59] <ESKILO> skalpel google
[05:59] <NeoChaosX> it's no different from Totem-gstreamer
[05:59] <ajmitch> levander: a combination of the above
[05:59] <dougsk> Madpilot, nautilus works okay
[05:59] <ESKILO> nautilus rules
[05:59] <skalpel> can anyoen help me with getting amarok to use the esd sound engine?
[05:59] <levander> ajmitch: sounds chaotic, i'm surprised ubuntu can impose a six-month release schedule on top of the whole thing
[05:59] <Madpilot> dougsk: yeah, but it's limited. you can't change permissions on remote drives, AFAIK
[06:00] <nickrud> skalpel, you could try (I haven't) installing esound-clients, then esddsp amarok
[06:00] <dougsk> Madpilot, <sheepish> hmm, haven't tried tbh.  I use ncftp
[06:00] <ajmitch> levander: by a combination, I mean that there is cooperation with debian & the upstream developers
[06:00] <gigaclon> how do I add items to the menu?
[06:00] <Madpilot> and gFTP is irritating - what sort of program ships with NO manual at all? there isn't even a manual on the flippin' website...
[06:00] <skalpel> nickrud i will
[06:01] <Madpilot> dougsk: is ncftp GUI or CLI?
[06:01] <levander> ajmitch: so they pretty much have debian developers for every debian package? who works with the original developers of the software, and with the debian group, to stabilize packages?
[06:01] <dougsk> Madpilot, cli, and your right they odn't work, too bad
[06:01] <IceDC571> so im guessing no one here has an nforce chipset...
[06:01] <cafuego> IceDC571: I do, nforce3.
[06:01] <supernix> well it is official FireFox 1.06 sucks DON"T UPGRADE OR ELSE at least till they fix it right
[06:01] <levander> although sometimes, the debian developer for a package is probably just one of the original developers himself.
[06:01] <ajmitch> levander: no, this is why there's a split between main & universe
[06:02] <Madpilot> dougsk: I'm waiting for FileZilla to complete their Linux port, that's a great little FTP app - GPL, but Win only...
[06:02] <IceDC571> cafuego, does it have nforce sound?
[06:02] <_SD_Keo> I need a little help.. Ubuntu's not booting correctly..
[06:02] <adapter> I'm having issues with apt get it's saying the package flashplayer-mozilla doesn't exist when on ubuntuguide.org it says that's the name of it
[06:02] <dougsk> Madpilot, have you tried under wine?
[06:02] <skalpel> jon@ubuntu:~$ dpkg -configure -a
[06:02] <skalpel> dpkg: unknown option -o
[06:02] <levander> supernix: ubuntu going to send me an email when they fix firefox in the repositories?
[06:02] <scott> how do I capture the keycode for a button I press so I know what it is?
[06:02] <cafuego> 'lftp' works absolutely fine.
[06:02] <skalpel> can someone tell me what that means?
[06:02] <IceDC571> i second lftp, i love it
[06:02] <cafuego> skalpel: dpkg --configure -a   note the extra '-'
[06:02] <levander> ajmitch: i'm headed to the wiki to try to find why there's a difference between main and universe
[06:02] <Madpilot> dougsk: still haven't bothered with wine. I might, but I'd MUCH rather have a Ubuntu-native FTP app!
[06:02] <supernix> ah kewl levander
[06:02] <skalpel> k thank you
[06:02] <_SD_Keo> I need a little help.. Ubuntu's not booting at all at the moment...
[06:03] <nickrud> !components
[06:03] <ubotu> [components]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[06:03] <nickrud> levander, ^^^
[06:03] <dmoyne> I have installed a DLINK-604 router connected to a DSL modem to allow for to computers to get access to Internet simultanously ; it works but now I want to install more on the built LAN ; before going any further I have some questions ; can anyboby answer my questions ? ; thanks
[06:03] <cafuego> Note, use lftp if somehow 'scp' doesn't or can't work.
[06:03] <Madpilot> is "lftp" GUI or CLI?
[06:03] <dougsk> Madpilot, agreed.  Konqueror I think supports that and kbear, but that requires kdelibs (a whopper of a download).  Not sure of a gtk ftp app, tbh
[06:04] <cafuego> dmoyne: it'll be fine with up to 253 computers.
[06:04] <cafuego> dmoyne: Though for that you'll need an additional few hubs/switches. :-)
[06:04] <ESKILO> what does this mean? ERROR[ogle_nav] : faild to open/read the DVD / DVDSetDVDRoot:: Root not set
[06:04] <_SD_Keo> Excuse me can somepne help please, Ubuntu isn't booting
[06:05] <redtech> anyone use a good personal budgeting app?
[06:05] <JDahl> _SD_Keo, did it work before, and what error do you get?
[06:05] <nickrud> gnucash
[06:06] <Madpilot> _SD_Keo: provide more detail, and ppl might be able to help you
[06:06] <nickrud> well, maybe not 'good', but
[06:06] <IceDC571> cafuego, do you use the nforce sound?
[06:06] <redtech> heh
[06:06] <nickrud> 'workable' :)
[06:06] <cafuego> IceDC571: Nope.
[06:06] <joel__> j
[06:06] <supernix> hey anyone happen to know how to change the font color for your own text ?
[06:06] <ESKILO> cash should be anonymous and digital
[06:06] <skalpel> i am getting this eror when trying to use synaptic: E: Not locked
[06:06] <ESKILO> like chaum would say
[06:06] <cafuego> supernix: Check the docs for your irc client.
[06:06] <skalpel> can someone tell me what it is?
[06:07] <_SD_Keo> JDhal, Madpilot: Ubuntu loads until it gets to GNOME, then it locks at the Nvidia splash, and doesn't respond at all, I have to reboot the PC.
[06:07] <nickrud> paper and tactile
[06:07] <supernix> cafuego, I am one up on you they don't work
[06:07] <cafuego> supernix: What don't work?
[06:07] <JDahl> skalpel, you're probably not running it using sudo, or you dont have sudo properties
[06:07] <dmoyne> OK I go with my first basic question : my router has a predefined IP 192.168.0.1 and my DSL modem 192.168.1.1 ; my 2 computers get IP through DHCP protocole ; I can talk to my router to fix parameters but through the LAN my DSL modem is no more seen as the IP 192.168.1.1 cannot go through LAN ; is there any interest in getting an IP like 192.168.0.2 to my DSL modem to talk to ?
[06:07] <levander> for the poor souls who accidentally upgraded to the broken firefox, is it possible to roll a package back?
[06:08] <gigaclon> how do I add items to the menu?
[06:08] <QMario> Which is faster: Ultra ATA or Ultra DMA? (For a hard drive.)
[06:08] <cafuego> dmoyne: The 604 is a modem *and* router.
[06:08] <levander> dmoyne: what netmask are you using on this network?
[06:08] <supernix> The docs do not work for Xchat
[06:08] <cafuego> QMario: That question dos not compute.
[06:08] <nickrud> gigaclon, I've been told that smeg is a good tool, I believe you can find with google
[06:08] <cafuego> supernix: Did you install them?
[06:08] <supernix> when you click on the help link and such nothing pops up
[06:08] <supernix> Didn't know I had to
[06:08] <IceDC571> should i use my sblive or integrated nforce audio?
[06:08] <QMario> What do you mean, cafuego?
[06:09] <Madpilot> supernix: in a terminal, "man xchat"
[06:09] <dmoyne> nope my router is just router and the modem is a separate device !
[06:09] <Amaranth> !smeg
[06:09] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[06:09] <Madpilot> ... even tho I don't use xhcat...
[06:09] <cafuego> QMario: They're both the same thing, under a different name.
[06:09] <nickrud> :)
[06:09] <ws007> Hai all!
[06:09] <QMario> Heh.
[06:09] <dmoyne> my network mask is with my router 255.255.255.0
[06:09] <levander> dmoyne: oh, actually, you're question is is there any reason to talk to your DSl modem? ummmm,
[06:09] <cafuego> QMario: ATA133 will be faster then ATA100.
[06:09] <levander> dmoyne: does it have a web server in it that lets you cofigure it?
[06:09] <QMario> Okay.
[06:09] <ColonelKernel> any solution for slow dns resolution?
[06:10] <levander> dmoyne: if not, then prolly answer is no
[06:10] <levander> ColonelKernel: where is the dns server?
[06:10] <supernix> cafuego, it is obvious you have never seen the man page as it is useless with virtually no information
[06:10] <dmoyne> yes because before installing my router my modem was directly connected to my computer and I could talk to it
[06:10] <Amaranth> bob2: Backports guys claim a new version of 1.0.6 in backports fixes the problems, I don't know why they don't just remove it.
[06:10] <levander> ColonelKernel: I know the windows dns client caches dns look ups, don't know where linux would do the same thing though
[06:10] <ColonelKernel> its the isps, but it happens regardless of the server, its good for a lil bit then it goes kaplooie
[06:10] <JDahl> levander, dmoney, it has a webinterface at 192.168.0.1
[06:11] <supernix> So using backports fixes it
[06:11] <dmoyne> my DSM modem before could be accessed trhough http://192.168.1.1
[06:11] <levander> JDahl: that's the router an 192.168.0.1, not the dsl modem
[06:11] <Amaranth> supernix: fixes what?
[06:11] <ESKILO> has anyone here gotten ogle working?
[06:11] <supernix> the problem with FireFox
[06:12] <Amaranth> supernix: no, it's fixed in hoary
[06:12] <skalpel> i got amarok to support the esd sound engine and play files but i am not getting any sound from my speakers, can someone help me?
[06:12] <levander> dmoyne: check the routing tables, you need a netmask of 255.255.0.0 to make those ip addresses be on same network
[06:13] <levander> dmoyne: wait, actually, the router just has to be able to route your client machines request to the router
[06:13] <Amaranth> supernix: hoary actually has the _real_ firefox 1.0.6 now
[06:13] <Amaranth> supernix: which still has some problems but not as bad
[06:13] <levander> dmoyne: how do you know that the dsl modem's ip address is 192.168.1.1?
[06:13] <dmoyne> OK I thought of doing so ; the other alternative is to change the DSL built IP to something 192.168.0.n and otherwise do nothing as this is not important to talk to the modem
[06:14] <gigaclon> what is the problem with firefox
[06:14] <gigaclon> works forme
[06:15] <nickrud> skalpel, for a quick check of your sound subsystem, from the top menu in gnome, system->preferences->mutlimedia selector ; then set output to esd, and click test
[06:15] <levander> dmoyne: i'm looking at my setup, i've never talked to my dsl modem, and I don't see where I can find an IP address for it anywhere
[06:15] <dmoyne> I know the built DSL modem IP because before installing the mrouter between it was directly connected to the Network card
[06:15] <ESKILO> what's that dpkg reconfigure command to get me back to gdm from kdm?
[06:15] <skalpel> nickrud: alright, test works fine.
[06:15] <dmoyne> if you want to know its built address you have to look at the doc !
[06:16] <levander> dmoyne: is your ip subnet mask on your router set to 255.255.255.0?
[06:16] <nickrud> skalpel, then, my idea of esddsp amarok probably didn't work; arts is a black hole for me ;)
[06:16] <dmoyne> yes it is
[06:16] <skalpel> ok, thank you anyway.
[06:16] <levander> dmoyne: I think it has to be so that it knows that the dsl modem is "outside" the network
[06:17] <levander> dmoyne: and NAT the requests back through to the correct machine
[06:17] <EruditeH2rmit> so are there any plans for Xorg 7.0 to make the next release (breezy) ?
[06:17] <skalpel> i am going to switch to kde anyway
[06:18] <NeoChaosX> odd
[06:18] <dmoyne> possibly so basically can we say that (1) there is no real interest in talking to the DSL modem and (2) it is viewed by the router as a device not in the LAN
[06:18] <gpd> anyone know how to restart the runlevel--- eg. to stop or start everything according to the current runlevel?  telinit q doesn't seem to hack it
[06:20] <nickrud> gpd, it's probably not the right way, but I've occasionally switched to runlevel 1, and back to runlevel 2 to restart; for the things I wanted it worked
[06:20] <MrGardenHoseMan> any decent fpt clients for *nix?
[06:20] <gpd> nickrud: sounds drastic, level 1 is single user is it not?
[06:21] <nickrud> gpd, yes, very drastic
[06:21] <gigaclon> anyone know if Dev-Cpp has a linux ver?
[06:21] <johnnybezak> hey guys this question is pretty off topic but what sort of adapter do I need for a mobo with tv-out so i can plug it into my tv?
[06:22] <dmoyne> ok my next question is : with static IP the client machine name is written in the host file but in DHCP mode how does it work , I mean how is the machine name attached to the dynamically attributed IP ?
[06:22] <gpd> johnnybezak: what do you mean adaptor... don't you just need the right cable ;)
[06:22] <gigaclon> johnnybezak, what does the plug look like?
[06:22] <gigaclon> in the mobo
[06:22] <bob2> depends on what the dhcp server feels like doing
[06:22] <bob2> sometimes it'll update dns
[06:23] <bob2> often it will tell the machine
[06:23] <nickrud> gpd, and, if you get a better method, ping me :)
[06:23] <johnnybezak> gpd: yeah i guess i do
[06:24] <johnnybezak> gigaclon: i've got a miniitx mobo and its a 15 pin like a normal monitor adaptor i guess
[06:24] <jose> ffh
[06:24] <dmoyne> bob2 can we say that it works the same way static or DHCP when you want to talk to another LAN computer of the net
[06:24] <bob2> yes, other computers don't care how you got your ip address
[06:25] <thechitowncubs> I seem to be having problems with http://www.google.com/ig , is anyone able to modify their page with Firefox and Ubuntu?
[06:26] <gpd> playing a realplayer stream in firefox seems to cause it to grind to a halt... but there is no processor load ... very strange
[06:26] <dmoyne> my next move is to get my local printers working with CUPS to be usable by any LN computer ; I guess I have to reinstall my printers as LAN ressources ?
[06:27] <thechitowncubs> dmoyne: hold on
[06:27] <thechitowncubs> let me find a wiki artile for you
[06:28] <dmoyne> thechitowncubs ok thanks
[06:28] <thechitowncubs> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[06:28] <thechitowncubs> Scroll down and it will show you how to share them over LAN
[06:29] <ws005> haiiiiiii
[06:30] <ws005> hhhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[06:31] <levander> Why does "sudo cd" report "cd: command not found"?  Just typing "cd" works fine.
[06:31] <BlazingSteakSauc> how you install .deb files sudo apt-get is not working
[06:31] <bob2> levander: cd is a shell built in, not a command
[06:31] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: in what way is apt-get not working?
[06:32] <dmoyne> I am having  quick look ; ok I think I can have a go ; the problem so far I had was to try to configure CUPS LAN through KDE but changing anything in the configuration made me loose control of CUPS !
[06:32] <gpd> BlazingSteakSauc: sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[06:32] <BlazingSteakSauc> i was in the folder were the file is and it still can't find it
[06:32] <qt2> is there an easy way to force refresh the actual gnome desktop without restarting the session? it seems to have died on me...
[06:32] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: yes, apt doesn't work like that
[06:32] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[06:32] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: but what are you installing?
[06:32] <BlazingSteakSauc> someone said ealier it did
[06:32] <BlazingSteakSauc> wine and some ppp files
[06:33] <bob2> it doesn't install random .debs off your hard disk, no
[06:33] <bob2> wine is in ubuntu already
[06:33] <bob2> as is ppp
[06:33] <BlazingSteakSauc> im using xp right now since i can't connect via ubuntu
[06:33] <BlazingSteakSauc> no linux install for my isp
[06:33] <bob2> why not?
[06:33] <hayden> how do i add a menu item to the gnome menu?
[06:33] <BlazingSteakSauc> they are gay that way
[06:33] <bob2> that's pretty useless
[06:34] <BlazingSteakSauc> i know there are ways to get it running
[06:34] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got pppconfig set up but nothing to use it
[06:34] <oatis> what are some good system admin tools other than kdeadmin, which i dont find very helpful
[06:34] <skalpel> can someone help me with switching from gnome to kde?
[06:34] <dmoyne>  thechitowncubs have you installed printers on LAN yourself ?
[06:35] <bob2> skalpel: install kubuntu-desktop
[06:35] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: your isp doesn't support actual standards?
[06:35] <skalpel> bob2: i did that already
[06:35] <skalpel> the last message i got was setting up kubuntu-desktop
[06:35] <skalpel> and that was it
[06:36] <BlazingSteakSauc> the isp uses ppp but has no linux version software
[06:36] <leviathann> Has anyone installed WineCVS?
[06:36] <thechitowncubs> dmoyne: yes i have
[06:36] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: if it really uses ppp, you don't need special software
[06:36] <BlazingSteakSauc> i told them it sucks but they refuse to change becuase of the chatrooms
[06:36] <canllaith_> Hi! Could someone tell me offhand what version of gnome is on the ubuntu live cd version 5.04? and does it include gthumb? :)
[06:37] <thechitowncubs> I seem to be having problems with http://www.google.com/ig , is anyone able to modify their page with Firefox and Ubuntu?
[06:37] <hayden> how do i add a menu item to the the gnome menu?
[06:37] <skalpel> bob2: i am getting this error: jon@ubuntu:~$ install kubuntu-desktop
[06:37] <skalpel> install: too few arguments
[06:37] <skalpel> Try `install --help' for more information.
[06:37] <BlazingSteakSauc> i don't have a ppp file to use the config for
[06:37] <bob2> skalpel: yes, that's wrong
[06:37] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got gnome-ppp
[06:37] <bob2> skalpel: presumably you mean 'sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop'
[06:37] <BlazingSteakSauc> i need to install it
[06:37] <skalpel> i imagine i do
[06:37] <bob2> canllaith_: 5.10, same as ubuntu
[06:37] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: you dont need gnome-ppp
[06:37] <canllaith_> bob2: do you happen to know if it has gthumb?
[06:37] <dmoyne> ok maybe a question derived from your doc they say "Allow From 192.168.1.*" ; in my case witha netmask 255.255.255.0 I think I have to put "Allow From 192.168.0.*" ?
[06:38] <nickrud> geeze, BlazingSteakSauc slow down
[06:38] <BlazingSteakSauc> why you laggin
[06:38] <bob2> canllaith_: no idea
[06:38] <canllaith_> I can get an ubuntu live cd though, so perhaps that would be better
[06:38] <canllaith_> hrm well thanks, I'll try the cd.
[06:38] <BlazingSteakSauc> i did not see anything in the os to use the acctuall ppp settings
[06:39] <QMario> I am trying to hear sound from a sound using Flash, but I cannot hear anything. Why is this? (My speakers are plugged in.)
[06:39] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: it tells you after you run pppconfig...'sudo pon'.
[06:39] <leviathann> does anyone know where WineCVS.sh is?
[06:39] <BlazingSteakSauc> that loads it?
[06:39] <nickrud> BlazingSteakSauc, if you know your user name and your password, you can get pppconfig to work
[06:39] <mgcross> is firefox fixed yet? I'd like to get some extensions but I get get past the new version available page!
[06:39] <mgcross> arg
[06:39] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got it configured i did not know how to activate it when i want to connect
[06:39] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: that connects, yes
[06:40] <leviathann> does anyone know where WineCVS.sh is?
[06:40] <thechitowncubs> hayden: with a menu editor
[06:40] <bob2> leviathann: what does google say?
[06:40] <BlazingSteakSauc> the config was easy i can do that blind folded
[06:40] <thechitowncubs> or by creating a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications
[06:41] <mgcross> anyone?
[06:41] <dmoyne>  thechitowncubs do you know of a good graphical interface on ubuntu to configure CUPS for my LAN printers
[06:41] <leviathann> bob2, I need to know where it installs to, this guide I'm reading did not specify
[06:41] <jasmuz> leviathann: do a locate winecvs.sh
[06:41] <QMario> Can anyone here, hear sound from Flash on Ubuntu Linux?
[06:41] <bob2> leviathann: then find a different guide
[06:41] <poningru> mgcross: just go and fix the vendor sub
[06:41] <bob2> QMario: pkill esd, restart firefox, enjoy
[06:41] <thechitowncubs> dmoyne: Ubuntu comes with one, all you have to do is add the printers and follow that extremely simple guide on the wiki
[06:41] <poningru> or go to extensionsmirror.nl
[06:41] <bob2> mgcross: presumably the latest security release fixes it
[06:42] <BlazingSteakSauc> hoary is at 5.10 or is that breezy badger
[06:42] <dmoyne>  thechitowncubs ok thanks I will make some tries
[06:42] <QMario> Bob2, should i do this everytime?
[06:42] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: yes
[06:42] <drcode> hi all
[06:42] <bob2> QMario: no
[06:42] <drcode> whats up
[06:42] <BlazingSteakSauc> yes on which?
[06:42] <bob2> but there's not a better solution I can explain in one line on irc
[06:42] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: breezy
[06:42] <poningru> BlazingSteakSauc: breazy
[06:42] <mgcross> poninggrue: mgcross: just go and fix the vendor sub
[06:42] <drcode> where can I ask for good kde/gnome/xfce developers for some opensource project?
[06:43] <poningru> mgcross: ?
[06:43] <leviathann> jasmuz, that didn't do anything. =(
[06:43] <poningru> drcode: what do you mean?
[06:43] <robotgeek> yay!! firefox has been updated!
[06:43] <glick> hi
[06:43] <BlazingSteakSauc> there a file to just pudate the kernel and not have to start from install again?
[06:43] <jasmuz> leviathann: do first a sudo updatedb
[06:43] <QMario> Okay, thank you!!
[06:43] <mgcross> poninggrue: I'd just like to know if the latest update for Firefox has been fixed? It was causing my browser to crash while using extensions...
[06:44] <jasmuz> and after 3 mins hit locate winecvs.sh
[06:44] <mgcross> there WAS a warning messege (TOPIC) about it here yesterday...
[06:44] <HrdwrBoB> I think it's wineCVS.sh or somthing
[06:44] <QMario> Bob2, Thank You!!! GOD BLESS YOU!!! :) :) :)
[06:44] <glick> scuse me, im looking for a funny as hell flash video that i have been trying to find for months now, but cant, its this video/movie about a guy who accidently opens up a email attachment at work, and it turns out to be a link to a porn site, and his co-worker sees it, and it ends up ruinning his life and in the end he commits suicide, and then this crazy mortician ends up molesting his corpse at the end, anyone know what im talking a
[06:44] <glick> bout?
[06:45] <BlazingSteakSauc> i hope my isp or phone company don't try to charge me extra for using the ppp on linux
[06:45] <poningru> drcode: dude stick to the channel
[06:45] <poningru> please dont send pms
[06:45] <poningru> its annoying
[06:45] <poningru> drcode: just put it out
[06:46] <robotgeek> Firefox/1.0.6 (Ubuntu package 1.0.4) ??
[06:46] <robotgeek> Tools --> About
[06:46] <glick> does anyone know what im talking about?
[06:46] <teferi> while i can see the value of modularizing the X packages in breezy, it occurs to me that perhaps one can have too much of a good thing
[06:46] <teferi> e.g.
[06:46] <glick> it was a long clip like 20 minutes long
[06:47] <glick> kina like a mini movie
[06:47] <glick> it was hilarious
[06:47] <teferi> such essentials as xset and xrdb being broken out
[06:47] <teferi> and making me go hunt for them...
[06:47] <tritium> glick, that is the most bizarre question I've seen on here yet...
[06:47] <robotgeek> anyways, extensions seem to be installing without the about:config thing, so i'm happy!
[06:47] <jordan> hello all
[06:47] <jordan> my fellow ubuntu-ers
[06:48] <tritium> hi jordan :)
[06:48] <jordan> I have a ? for everyone
[06:48] <leviathann> jasmuz, still nothing
[06:48] <BlazingSteakSauc> ubuntu newb to me
[06:48] <glick> id give anything just to get hold of that clip
[06:48] <glick> :(
[06:48] <robotgeek> sure, shoot!
[06:48] <leviathann> I am using this guide > http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[06:48] <jordan> did anyone hose themselves trying to install firefox 1.06?
[06:48] <teferi> glick: i think this is probably not the best place to ask that
[06:48] <ColonelKernel> jordan, install it locally
[06:48] <jordan> ?
[06:49] <robotgeek> jordan, i just now updated it from the apt-get upgrade :)
[06:49] <jordan> I try to sudo apt-get install firefox and it fails
[06:49] <jordan> didn't work for me
[06:49] <jordan> now firefox doesn't start
[06:49] <jordan> let me get some text for you all
[06:49] <mgcross> poninggrue: how do I fix the vendor sub fix the vendor sub...I'm waiting patiently for the new Ubuntu pakeage
[06:49] <mgcross> ?
[06:49] <poningru> oh
[06:49] <robotgeek> jordan, paste in #flood!
[06:49] <mgcross> er package
[06:49] <poningru> mgcross: go type in about:config in the url bar and press enter
[06:49] <jordan> is that your channel?
[06:50] <robotgeek> mgcross, u think it's been uodated
[06:50] <robotgeek> jordan, that's where u paste stuff
[06:50] <orac> even in 1.0.6 it still ids as 1.0.2
[06:50] <poningru> mgcross: did you get that
[06:50] <poningru> ?
[06:50] <ColonelKernel> jordan, if you delete your .mozilla folder you should be ok
[06:50] <mgcross> robotgeek: yes....firefox has...it's showing 1.0.6 on the firefox homepage
[06:50] <robotgeek> mgcross, weird...i din't have to do it!
[06:50] <ColonelKernel> yeah my firefox works i just updated it
[06:51] <ColonelKernel> im glad the package was fixed
[06:51] <Micksa> bleagh. okay
[06:51] <robotgeek> mgcross, i am sorry " i meant i just updated it, and it works as 1.0.6 )
[06:51] <mgcross> poninggrue: yup...sorry just replying..thanks btw...doing the first now...
[06:51] <orac> but under about:config it still says 1.0
[06:51] <robotgeek> Firefox/1.0.6 (Ubuntu package 1.0.4)
[06:51] <Micksa> is breezy's X horribly broken for everyone else?
[06:51] <poningru> people make sure you dont have backport in your repositories
[06:51] <ColonelKernel> i dunno what to say about that
[06:51] <robotgeek> i dunno what that means!
[06:51] <bob2> Micksa: yes
[06:51] <poningru> because that will screw couple of things up
[06:51] <orac> is for m
[06:51] <Micksa> heh
[06:51] <Micksa> hi bob2
[06:51] <poningru> if you remove backport and uninstall firefox
[06:51] <Micksa> my own dumb fault for using breezy I guess
[06:51] <Micksa> bob2: got an ETA for me? :)
[06:51] <ColonelKernel> !java
[06:51] <ubotu> java is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[06:52] <Micksa> I'm pondering downgrading
[06:52] <bob2> Micksa: sometime this week
[06:52] <poningru> then install firefox from the rest of the reps then it should have 1.0.6
[06:52] <Micksa> awesome :)
[06:52] <poningru> iirc
[06:52] <mgcross> poninggrue: k, there...what now?
[06:52] <ColonelKernel> bob2, yeah its working fine here, w flash too
[06:52] <poningru> mgcross: find
[06:52] <poningru> general.useragent.vendorSub
[06:52] <ColonelKernel> !jre
[06:52] <ubotu> ColonelKernel: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[06:52] <jordan> alright, it is in flood
[06:52] <jordan> can someone pm me really quick?
[06:52] <jordan> walk me through the firefox fix
[06:52] <ColonelKernel> uh oh
[06:52] <mgcross> poninggrue: k
[06:52] <jordan> hard to read about in the forums...
[06:52] <ColonelKernel> !sun-java
[06:52] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, ColonelKernel
[06:52] <bob2> jordan: don't use backports, then let synaptic do a normal update
[06:52] <bob2> all done
[06:52] <poningru> and now change that to 1.0.6
[06:52] <tritium> ColonelKernel, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:53] <poningru> mgcross: that should fix it
[06:53] <ColonelKernel> thanks Triffid_Hunter
[06:53] <lexhider> Micksa, it was last time I tried (few days back)
[06:53] <ColonelKernel> tritium, I mean
[06:53] <tritium> no problem
[06:53] <poningru> mgcross: did you get that ok?
[06:54] <WebWiz> bob2: is there a page that describes how to temp fix X for breezy to at least allow me to continue to debug until X gets formally fixed
[06:54] <jordan> what repositories do I need to remove?
[06:54] <poningru> jordan: just the backport
[06:54] <poningru> if you have that enabled
[06:54] <bob2> WebWiz: install xutils from hoary, I guess
[06:54] <bob2> WebWiz: when we say "DON'T USE BREEZY", it's not a joke, it really is fucked
[06:54] <mgcross> poninggrue: just change it to 1.6?
[06:54] <jordan> I have horay-backports, and hoary-extras
[06:55] <orac> has anyone got X going under breezy?
[06:55] <daniels> orac: yes
[06:55] <orac> is there a guide?
[06:55] <daniels> orac: no
[06:55] <robotgeek> anyone on PPC Linux have problems with greasemonkey?
[06:55] <mgcross> poninggrue: goot it now (sheepish grin)
[06:55] <WebWiz> lol
[06:55] <poningru> mgcross: 1.0.6 right?
[06:55] <WebWiz> boy that must be a common topic heh
[06:55] <bob2> robotgeek: have you updated to 1.0.6 yet?
[06:55] <daniels> WebWiz: yes
[06:56] <orac> ,dan bugger, thanks
[06:56] <poningru> cause that is what you should change it too
[06:56] <daniels> basically, it's still missing huge chunks
[06:56] <poningru> to*
[06:56] <daniels> the best fix if you need working X is to just stay back on hoary
[06:56] <robotgeek> bob2, yeah...i had the problem ever since 1.0.2 (i din't know abt greasemonkey b4)
[06:56] <vinboy> hi guys
[06:56] <bob2> robotgeek: but you'rre sure you have 1.0.6?
[06:56] <vinboy> i have 2 NIC.. 1 to internet and 1 to lan
[06:56] <WebWiz> daniels: of course if you already went to breezy.. before you read like some of us.. we're foobared i guess eh?
[06:56] <mgcross> poninggrue: much better, thank-you!
[06:56] <merlik> hi, I am completely new, anyone know anything about the sharp PC-MM10 laptop?  having problems after install to change resolution, the only one available is 640x480
[06:56] <vinboy> how do I give my lan access to internet?
[06:56] <Daehlie> gateway
[06:56] <daniels> WebWiz: pretty much, yeah
[06:57] <poningru> jordan: remove the hoary backports
[06:57] <WebWiz> orac: there's ur answer lol
[06:57] <jordan> still not working
[06:57] <WebWiz> orac: don't worry i am in the same boat as you
[06:57] <orac> daniels: thanks for the info
[06:57] <daniels> orac: no worries
[06:57] <jordan> I removed both backport repos
[06:57] <robotgeek> bob2, from the Help > About Firefox -> Firefox/1.0.6 (Ubuntu package 1.0.4)
[06:57] <knowledge_> ok, question....my when booting up, my comp really drags on "configuring network....something"....anything I could do about that?
[06:57] <jordan> poningru, do you mind a pm?
[06:58] <poningru> jordan: sure go for it
[06:58] <WebWiz> bob2: is there a command to downgrade xutils?  or force it to install a certain version?
[06:59] <merlik> hi, I am completely new, anyone know anything about the sharp PC-MM10 laptop?  having problems after install to change resolution, the only one available is 640x480
[07:00] <timl> WebWiz: broken X in breezy?
[07:00] <knowledge_> wow....work is wonderful...I don't remember the last time I was actually tired at midnight
[07:00] <timl> WebWiz: if it's still got the same problems, it stems from a lack of mkfontdir binary, which means the fonts don't install, which means X breaks
[07:00] <WebWiz> timl: si
[07:00] <skalpel> hi i am having trouble moving from kubuntu desktop back to ubuntu, can someone help me?
[07:00] <timl> you can download www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~timl/mkfontdir then do an dpkg-reconfigure xfonts-base and you should be back in business
[07:01] <timl> at least this has worked for me and a couple of other people
[07:01] <timl> sorry, that url is wrong
[07:01] <sportsjavo> hi all
[07:01] <timl> www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~timl/ubuntu/mkfontdir
[07:01] <WebWiz> timl: you are a life saver
[07:01] <dabaR> Hi, all. I R teh l33t HaX0rZ
[07:01] <sportsjavo> i am new to this'
[07:01] <dabaR> just thought Id let you know for a start.
[07:01] <sportsjavo> i usualy use knoppix
[07:01] <ColonelKernel> dabaR, lol
[07:01] <lexhider> skalpel: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[07:01] <dabaR> brb, tho, gotta go do some stuff.
[07:01] <sportsjavo> are yall bots or real peopl
[07:02] <thechitowncubs> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[07:02] <knowledge_> some way to disable network configuration at boot up?
[07:02] <robotgeek> nah, we are all bots!
[07:02] <sportsjavo> lol
[07:02] <mic_> I'm real
[07:02] <knowledge_> or would that also disable my network?
[07:02] <thechitowncubs> Thats what I got when trying to remove firefox
[07:02] <sportsjavo> thsnkd
[07:02] <timl> WebWiz: let me know if that works for you
[07:02] <robotgeek> knowledge_, remove auto from /etc/network/interfaces
[07:02] <sportsjavo> this room i lame
[07:02] <skalpel> you are.
[07:02] <WebWiz> timl: where does mkfontdir belong?
[07:03] <sportsjavo> fuck all yall bitches
[07:03] <tritium> skalpel, pay no attention, and please don't insult back
[07:03] <knowledge_> robotgeek, but it'll work when Gnome boots up right?
[07:03] <robotgeek> auto eth0 -> #auto eth0 will prevent eth0 from being brought up at boot. you can configure it manually later!
[07:03] <knowledge_> robotgeek, I see...
[07:03] <vic1ous> i need some serious help
[07:03] <knowledge_> hmm
[07:04] <robotgeek> knowledge_,  easy huh?
[07:04] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to get rid of the black and white xserver startup screen and replace it with something else, like a solid color as it was originally?
[07:04] <vic1ous> i installed ubuntu on 2 machines this one and another this one ir working great
[07:04] <vic1ous> the other goes to login and crashes with this error
[07:04] <vic1ous> ok here is the error that my brother is getting : I cannot start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly. would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?
[07:04] <dabaR> ColonelKernel: ya, also, I am the SuX, too, pretty n33t eh?
[07:05] <vic1ous> followed these instructions https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?
[07:05] <knowledge_> robotgeek, sure is
[07:05] <vic1ous> and it didnt work
[07:05] <knowledge_> be back...rebooting
[07:05] <vic1ous> so any idea what it is?
[07:05] <cafuego> !doesn't work
[07:05] <ubotu> doesn't work is probably something you should never say.  Be more specific.
[07:05] <dabaR> dabaR: anyhow, I thought those were funny, and was saying them at work today all day, so I said I would say taht when I get home on IRC, so I had to live up to it.
[07:05] <gigaclon> any know a WebDAV client for ubuntu?
[07:06] <thechitowncubs> does anyone use Google Personalized Home?
[07:06] <vic1ous> tritium
[07:06] <vic1ous> can you help me plz
[07:06] <hybrid_goth> thechitowncubs: i do
[07:06] <WebWiz> timl: worked like a charm
[07:06] <WebWiz> timl: thanks a mil
[07:06] <dabaR> skalpel: what wm?
[07:06] <thechitowncubs> hybrid_goth: do the new features work for you?
[07:06] <tritium> vic1ous, I'll try.  Please paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log on pastebin
[07:06] <vic1ous> ok what is paste bin
[07:06] <hybrid_goth> thechitowncubs: some aint tried the rss
[07:06] <skalpel> dabar: gnome
[07:07] <hybrid_goth> bookmarking does
[07:07] <gigaclon> !pastebin
[07:07] <ubotu> methinks pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[07:07] <tritium> vic1ous, http://pastebin.com/
[07:07] <dabaR> skalpel: well, do you have desktop icons?
[07:07] <thechitowncubs> What did you just say? I didn't understand it at all
[07:07] <skalpel> one
[07:07] <skalpel> 'trash'
[07:07] <dabaR> hybrid_goth: care to tell me how you got banned here?
[07:07] <dabaR> skalpel: under that it is black and white?
[07:07] <hybrid_goth> thechitowncubs: i havent tried the RSS but the bookmarking did
[07:07] <skalpel> i just deleted it
[07:07] <hybrid_goth> dabaR: =D
[07:07] <hybrid_goth> sarcasim
[07:08] <WebWiz> anybody know how to disable the console beep in consoles (TTY%)
[07:08] <vic1ous> umm i cant put the log there the other machine doesnt have internet
[07:08] <dabaR> hybrid_goth: ok, who did it?
[07:08] <thechitowncubs> hybrid_goth: I can't get anything to work :(
[07:08] <vic1ous> and its a looooong file
[07:08] <hybrid_goth> Seaves
[07:08] <ColonelKernel> where is the ubuntu packages  page?
[07:08] <skalpel> no, i have a desktop background, but when i am starting xwindows there is a black and white screen with an 'x' cursor where there used to be an 'ubuntu brown' screen
[07:08] <merlik> anyone know where the xf86config file is?
[07:08] <dabaR> hybrid_goth: coolz.
[07:08] <hybrid_goth> thechitowncubs: in Firefox?
[07:08] <ColonelKernel> im trying to get the breezy kernel source - since vanilla kernels dont work on ubuntu
[07:08] <thechitowncubs> I can't even delete boxes
[07:08] <thechitowncubs> ya, in firefox
[07:08] <hybrid_goth> dabaR: heh
[07:08] <tritium> vic1ous, okay.  Can you please inspect /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors then?
[07:08] <hybrid_goth> hmm
[07:08] <dabaR> WebWiz: it is a setting in shell, I think.
[07:09] <tritium> merlik, hoary uses X.org, not Xfree86
[07:09] <merlik> ok
[07:09] <vic1ous> just type /war/log/Xorg.0.log right?
[07:09] <cew-imut> hi bet
[07:09] <tritium> merlik, if you're intending to reconfigure it, use "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[07:09] <tritium> vic1ous, no, look at that file
[07:09] <timl> WebWiz: awesome
[07:09] <vic1ous> how
[07:09] <vic1ous> im new
[07:09] <dabaR> WebWiz: i thought wrong.
[07:09] <merlik> thanks tritium, i need to do it because i cant get above 640x480 resolution
[07:09] <vic1ous> im at the bash console
[07:09] <thechitowncubs> I'd appreciate if more users tried this website and tell me if adding content works for them: http://www.google.com/ig
[07:10] <hybrid_goth> thechitowncubs: you need a google account
[07:10] <dabaR> skalpel: is it still gdm, the same login screen you always had?
[07:10] <thechitowncubs> I know that....
[07:10] <dabaR> I mean, xsetroot brown
[07:10] <tritium> merlik, in that case, see this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:10] <tritium> vic1ous, which video driver are you trying to setup?
[07:10] <hybrid_goth> thechitowncubs: try reporting it to google
[07:10] <skalpel> gdmsetupdabar: yes, though i installed and uninstalled kde, which is what did this
[07:10] <gigaclon> anyone here know WebDAV?
[07:11] <thechitowncubs> I will after I see if it works for other users
[07:11] <dabaR> skalpel: not yet
[07:11] <dabaR> dont do anything yet
[07:11] <tritium> hybrid_goth, you got banned, eh?
[07:11] <skalpel> k
[07:11] <cew-imut> hi tuyul
[07:11] <vic1ous> hoarey hedgehog
[07:11] <slashzero> hello
[07:11] <tritium> vic1ous, yes, but are we setting up ATI or nvidia?
[07:11] <vic1ous> ati
[07:12] <tritium> vic1ous, and you've followed this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[07:12] <dabaR> skalpel: xsetroot -solid colorName changes it, play around with that, if you wish, I dont know the exact name for the ubuntu brown.
[07:12] <skalpel> alright, thank you
[07:12] <vic1ous> yes we followed it
[07:12] <dabaR> welcome.
[07:12] <vic1ous> and everything worked on it but we still get same error
[07:12] <dabaR> tritium: he did at some point. I saw him being removed from the banned list, and was like, what is this...
[07:12] <slashzero> whenever I try to start a priveleged application like network-admin, it asks for a passwork but it always says the password is wrong, but I can login as root just fine
[07:13] <dabaR> slashzero: tried your password?
[07:13] <slashzero> any ideas?
[07:13] <cafuego> slashzero: it asks for YOUR password, not the root password.
[07:13] <slashzero> ah
[07:13] <Madpilot> !sudo
[07:13] <ubotu> [sudo]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:13] <robotgeek> skalpel, sorry to interupt in middle, but doesn't System _> Preference -> Desktop Background Work for you?
[07:13] <Madpilot> slashzero: have you read that URL? ^^^
[07:13] <slashzero> oh jeez, I'm used to fedora requiring the root password
[07:13] <humbolt> GNOME sucks! To slow that toolkit!
[07:14] <robotgeek> humbolt, it works just fine :)
[07:14] <tritium> vic1ous, I'm going to need more info from you please.  Can you "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log", and look for errors please?
[07:14] <slashzero> thanks :)
[07:14] <tritium> humbolt, no desktop wars please
[07:14] <vic1ous> ok im loooking
[07:14] <hybrid_goth> please
[07:14] <robotgeek> sorry, tritium
[07:14] <vic1ous> will it say error?
[07:14] <tritium> robotgeek, you're good
[07:14] <robotgeek> :)
[07:14] <vic1ous> it says (EE) No devices detected.
[07:14] <tritium> vic1ous, look for (EE) for starters
[07:15] <vic1ous> fatal server error:
[07:15] <vic1ous> no screens found
[07:15] <vic1ous> says that at bottom
[07:15] <learn25> hi all
[07:15] <tritium> hi learn25
[07:15] <dabaR> robotgeek: that preference is for the gnome background.
[07:15] <hybrid_goth> tritium: (EE) for starters sounds like and O'Reily book
[07:15] <dabaR> There is something under that background called the root window.
[07:15] <tritium> hybrid_goth, yeah :)
[07:15] <learn25> i just install mozilla-firefox 1.0.6. i have a problem. my apache2 refused web browser to view pages.
[07:15] <vic1ous> it says (EE) No devices detected.
[07:15] <robotgeek> dabaR, damn interupting never works. i din't know for what he wanted that!
[07:16] <learn25> it says "connectiopn refused"
[07:16] <luckyaba> netBSD or slackware for a server.... opinions?
[07:16] <skalpel> is there an easy way to get rid of all my kde apps that i installed that have appeared in my gnome menus?
[07:16] <dabaR> learn25: other browsers work fine?
[07:16] <robotgeek> dabaR, i thought that he wanted to set the background... feh also works fine!
[07:16] <skalpel> or do i have to do them all one at a time
[07:16] <hybrid_goth> luckyaba: netbsd
[07:16] <tritium> vic1ous, okay, we need to check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf.  Make sure you're using fglrx
[07:16] <robotgeek> skalpel, apt-get remove kde-base ?
[07:17] <dabaR> whats feh, robotgeek ?
[07:17] <luckyaba> hybrid_goth: how is the installation.. ?
[07:17] <skalpel> i will try it
[07:17] <learn25> nope
[07:17] <robotgeek> dabaR, feh is a damn easy cli program to set the desktop background.
[07:17] <skalpel> E: Couldn't find package kde-base
[07:17] <skalpel> did not work
[07:17] <dabaR> robotgeek: ya, does not exist.
[07:17] <luckyaba> hybrid_goth: should i set aside 2 days or 2 weeks?
[07:17] <luckyaba> hybrid_goth: lol
[07:17] <learn25> all browser trying to view my server pages were refused by apache2
[07:17] <hybrid_goth> luckyaba: 2days
[07:17] <robotgeek> skalpel, okay...lemme pull up the exact package name!
[07:17] <tritium> skalpel, apt-cache search kde | grep base
[07:17] <hybrid_goth> luckyaba: but openbsd is rock solid
[07:18] <learn25> after i installed mozilla-firefox 1.0.6
[07:18] <dabaR> skalpel: more info, do you just need the apps removed from the menu?
[07:18] <dabaR> or from the system?
[07:18] <hybrid_goth> luckyaba: one hole in 8 yrs of openbsd
[07:18] <luckyaba> hybrid_goth: really..
[07:18] <vic1ous> yes it is fglrx
[07:18] <learn25> in my serrver
[07:18] <luckyaba> hybrid_goth: so you think open is better than net?
[07:18] <skalpel> dabar: yes, that is all
[07:18] <hybrid_goth> yes
[07:18] <hybrid_goth> security wise
[07:18] <luckyaba> interesting
[07:18] <robotgeek> kdebase-bin , if you want to get rid of the packages! not the menu listing!
[07:18] <hybrid_goth> netbsd has some cool tools though
[07:18] <dabaR> learn25: how is it then relevant that you installed ff 1.0.6? Worked before that?
[07:18] <ilba7r> anyone remember how to install the debian menu in gnome
[07:19] <skalpel> dabar: would you like me to paste my output to pastebin?
[07:19] <dabaR> skalpel: check out google for smeg menu editor
[07:19] <hybrid_goth> but openbsd's creator has to be paranoid
[07:19] <luckyaba> hybrid_goth: lmao.. i like that
[07:19] <skalpel> ok
[07:19] <dabaR> skalpel: output of what? the apt-get remove? that package does not even exist, I know the error.
[07:19] <luckyaba> hybrid_goth: maybe ill try both
[07:19] <iluciv> hi
[07:19] <dabaR> hi
[07:19] <robotgeek> skalpel, apt-get remove kdebase-bin . only if u want to get rid of the packages!
[07:20] <dabaR> robotgeek: no, he wants the icons gone.
[07:20] <DaSkreech> How do I switch my Colour depth?
[07:20] <vic1ous> tritium yes it is fglrx
[07:20] <robotgeek> dabaR, okay ..sorry!
[07:20] <vic1ous> can we open a chat to chat
[07:20] <tritium> vic1ous, that's good
[07:20] <vic1ous> too many people here giving me a head ache
[07:20] <iluciv> is there a howto on creating icons for programs in gnome?? in that I mean creating a icon link in the application bar so I can use gui instead of command line
[07:20] <vic1ous> so what can i do to fix it
[07:20] <tritium> vic1ous, okay, go ahead
[07:20] <dabaR> dont be sorry, use /msg ubotu info packageName to learn if there is a package at all.
[07:20] <learn25> before i intalled the new firefox 1.0.6 my apache2 is working fine. But now it refused connections.
[07:20] <ilba7r> ok got it dabar thanx
[07:21] <anacron> iluciv: i think you can use normal pictures as icons
[07:21] <hybrid_goth> luckyaba: but bsd is different for linux i warn you
[07:21] <dabaR> iluciv: interesting concept, give us more info.
[07:21] <skalpel> dabar: can you help me install smeg menu editor? i have never installed a deb package before
[07:21] <robotgeek> dabaR, i knew the package existed, just had the name wrong. i prefer a "apt-cache search kde | grep base "
[07:21] <tritium> vic1ous, just query me
[07:21] <vic1ous> ok
[07:22] <dabaR> < ilba7r> ok got it dabar thanx
[07:22] <dabaR> wasnt even talking to him...
[07:22] <vic1ous> how
[07:22] <vic1ous> lol
[07:22] <dabaR> skalpel: enable backports.
[07:22] <luckyaba> hybrid_goth: yeah that is mainly the point.. wanna go more unix based
[07:22] <robotgeek>   /msg tritium  hi
[07:22] <dabaR> then, sudo aptitude update
[07:22] <iluciv> dabaR: concept ?? maybe misunderstood  I just want to creat a icon to open up an application in the application bar
[07:22] <tritium> vic1ous, I'll take care of it
[07:22] <vic1ous> ok
[07:22] <dabaR> then sudo aptitude install smeg
[07:23] <dabaR> then remove backports, then sudo aptitude update
[07:23] <thechitowncubs> I solved my problem by uninstalling the extension, "Customize Google"
[07:23] <hybrid_goth> luckyaba: ok
[07:23] <dabaR> iluciv: a cli app is a cli app.
[07:23] <skalpel> dabar: how do i do that?
[07:23] <luckyaba> hybrid_goth: good.. bad idea?
[07:23] <LeeColleton> hello.  I keep getting a Connection Failed error between my laptop and my Sony Ericsson T637.  They were working fine, I got a wireless headset (now turned off) and things went to hell. The laptop can send and receive files from the phone, but Multisync stopped working.
[07:23] <hybrid_goth> luckyaba: good
[07:23] <luckyaba> hybrid_goth: in deeper than i think?
[07:23] <hybrid_goth> unix runs the internet
[07:23] <dabaR> you cant make it use a gui, by just putting a shortcut to it on the desktop. Are you using gnome?
[07:23] <luckyaba> hybrid_goth: lol
[07:24] <hybrid_goth> luckyaba: nah not much
[07:24] <luckyaba> hybrid_goth: right on. thanks you gave me the last bit of motivation to waste away my next 2 days
[07:24] <hybrid_goth> may take time but it isnt critical life altering info on this server is it
[07:24] <hybrid_goth> luckyaba: enjoy and god bless
[07:24] <skalpel> dabar: i am
[07:24] <luckyaba> hybrid_goth: thanks
[07:24] <robotgeek> LeeColleton, do u mind telling me which program you were using to sync your T637, i am using the msae, but dunno how to sync it?
[07:25] <dabaR> skalpel: well, visit ubuntuguide.org, and add the backports, then sudo aptitude update in a terminal. then sudo aptitude install smeg, then remove backports, then sudo aptitude update.
[07:25] <iluciv> surely there must be a way to write a script linked to a icon in say applications -> games -> planeshift so I can click on that and it opens planeshift??
[07:25] <skalpel> dabar: ok thank you
[07:25] <hybrid_goth> luckyaba: no problem
[07:25] <dabaR> skalpel: the aer you using gnome was for iluciv .
[07:25] <HrdwrBoB> iluciv: I make shotcut icons on the bar
[07:25] <skalpel> k
[07:25] <robotgeek> iluciv, right click on panel, say add to panel, custom application luancher
[07:26] <iluciv> Great sorry I should have made it clearer
[07:26] <robotgeek> iluciv, or from gnome menu
[07:26] <iluciv> robotgeek: thanks heaps
[07:26] <learn25> anybody can help me configure my apache2 to start automatically during boot up?
[07:26] <robotgeek> iluciv, no probs
[07:26] <sour> hello ozorg HrdwrBoB
[07:27] <dabaR> iluciv: there sure is, but what you asked for in the first place does not.
[07:27] <robotgeek> LeeColleton, sorry i meant the T 637 :)
[07:27] <sour> learn25 you want to place it in your init scripts
[07:27] <skalpel> how can i make xchat use firefox as my default browser instead of konqueror?
[07:27] <learn25> my apache2 does not start automatically during boot.
[07:27] <poningru> skalpel: go into
[07:27] <dabaR> skalpel: check System>Prefs>Preffd Apps.
[07:27] <robotgeek> skalpel, Settings _> Prefs
[07:27] <tritium> learn25, you might have a configuration problem.  Check its log files under /var/log
[07:27] <iluciv> dabaR: sorry thats what I meant
[07:27] <dabaR> iluciv: no need to be sorry, you got your answert anyhow...
[07:28] <skalpel> dabar: in xchat or gnome?
[07:28] <robotgeek> skalpel, settings -> advanced-> url handler
[07:28] <dabaR> gnome menu
[07:28] <sour> so whats the huge hype about ubuntu?
[07:28] <dabaR> gnome-panel to be exact.
[07:28] <learn25> OK. but how can i edit config files so that next time it will automatically start during boot up.
[07:28] <robotgeek> skalpel, in xchat :)
[07:28] <dabaR> sour: I ask myself the same.
[07:28] <skalpel> k, i am there
[07:28] <skalpel> i dont see anything about web browsers
[07:28] <dabaR> in preffd apps?
[07:28] <robotgeek> sour, it just works?? mostly
[07:28] <sour> learn25 you have to edit the init scripts
[07:28] <sour> robotgeek as aposed to..?
[07:28] <dabaR> System>Prefs>Preffd Apps.
[07:29] <robotgeek> skalpel, try out dabaR 's tips and then mine.. sorry to confuse!
[07:29] <LeeColleton> robotgeek: multisync should be able to connect Ev2 and the T637, as I said: it was working for me...
[07:29] <learn25> where is the location of the init scripts?
[07:29] <learn25> i'm new to ubuntu ;-)
[07:29] <sour> learn25 www.google.com
[07:29] <robotgeek> sour, like debian or ydl
[07:29] <learn25> ;-)
[07:29] <sour> debian does work
[07:29] <sour> most of the time anyway
[07:29] <poningru> sour: the thing is most linux distros make you go through hoops to know your prefs by making you set it
[07:29] <dabaR> learn25: sudo aptitude search apache2 tell me if there is a i beside it.
[07:29] <hayden> is gstreamer0.8-mad the only package needed to play an mp3?
[07:30] <robotgeek> sour, i had debian running for 6 months. i had to recompile my kernel to get this new feature. oh well, ...
[07:30] <poningru> but ubuntu installer just sets everything up
[07:30] <tritium> learn25, /etc/init.d
[07:30] <dabaR> hayden: sure
[07:30] <tritium> if apache2 is not staring for you on boot, it's not configured properly yet
[07:30] <hayden> hmm
[07:30] <sour> robotgeek and ubuntu has every single kernel setup precompiled ?
[07:31] <robotgeek> sour, of course YMMV
[07:31] <dabaR> sour: wtf, there is no hype about it,.
[07:31] <dabaR> its new. thats the hype
[07:31] <luckyaba> lol
[07:31] <skalpel> robotgeek: well i see where to edit it but it is still using konqueror, how do i change it back to firefox?
[07:31] <sour> ya i aint trying to be negative i am just tryng to find out what's so good about it
[07:31] <Razor-X> robotgeek: there's a much more elegant way of saying YMMV
[07:31] <Razor-X> caveat emptor
[07:31] <sour> # wtf YMMV
[07:31] <sour> YMMV: your mileage may vary
[07:31] <sour> wtf > *
[07:31] <sour> :D
[07:32] <robotgeek> :)
[07:32] <Razor-X> sour: caveat emptor == something bad may happen
[07:32] <Razor-X> it's like, there's a caveat, no?
[07:32] <dabaR> to each his own
[07:32] <sour> Razor-X, i see
[07:33] <robotgeek> yeah, i tried pretty much every distro...this one works closest to out of the box for me (and for my friends too!)
[07:33] <Razor-X> dabaR: there's that one
[07:33] <bob2> timl: looks like it'll be fixed in the next few hours, but thanks :)
[07:33] <dabaR> sour: nothing. its just new, has some nice features
[07:33] <sour> dabaR it's just popping up on alot of forums that i am subscribed to, just wanted to see what the huge hype was about
[07:33] <Razor-X> and the one I hate the most, ``If it 'aint broke, don't fix it''
[07:33] <Madpilot> ooo, we've had an outbreak of Latin. It seems to have been limited, though... ;)
[07:33] <sour> fair enough
[07:33] <skalpel> i deleted every instance of konqueror but it is still opening it, any ideas?
[07:33] <DaSkreech> How do I change the Colour depth?
[07:33] <robotgeek> skalpel, okay...do u did try dabaR's technique?
[07:33] <Razor-X> Madpilot: what can I say?
[07:33] <Razor-X> I guess elegance isn't contageous ;)
[07:34] <sour> so does it use debian .deb's or does it use its own set?
[07:34] <Razor-X> I need more latin quips in my language, heh
[07:34] <robotgeek> :)
[07:34] <skalpel> robotgeek: no i have not
[07:34] <Razor-X> sour: it has its own set
[07:34] <Razor-X> Ubuntu debs are different from Debian debs
[07:34] <robotgeek> skalpel, okay..lemme pull up the settings..
[07:34] <Razor-X> just like Mandrake RPMs are different from Fedora RPMs
[07:34] <Madpilot> Razor-X: isn't there a Perl varient that uses Latin?
[07:34] <skalpel> there is no system menu in xchat, i dont see a preffdapps section anywhere in preferences
[07:34] <dabaR> sour: I dont find anything on it nicer than on debian, same thing. Only slightly different. But, then, I dont ever use windows, so you can see that my computer usage is like, not very specialized, I do the common things.
[07:34] <Razor-X> Madpilot: there is?
[07:34] <Razor-X> I would love to learn Latin, that language is so damn elegant, without being totally fscking nasal
[07:35] <dabaR> .debs, yes.
[07:35] <Razor-X> (i.e French)
[07:35] <robotgeek> skalpel, Settings -> Advanced -> URL Handlers
[07:35] <skalpel> i am there
[07:35] <luckyaba> ALT F4
[07:35] <Madpilot> Razor-X: I think so. Perigata or something? just a sec, I'll hit google..
[07:35] <Razor-X> dabaR: feel lucky you're Windows fre
[07:35] <Razor-X> the plague persists here
[07:35] <dabaR> .debs are executables, so they will be different a little, cause they need to use different files
[07:35] <DaSkreech> How do I change the Colour depth?
[07:35] <Razor-X> but, have you guys heard of the havoc?
[07:35] <bob2> they're not executables
[07:35] <Madpilot> Razor-X: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/Perligata.html
[07:35] <bob2> DaSkreech: why?
[07:36] <Razor-X> the HAVOC
[07:36] <sour> dabaR i use osx as personal preference, i am more interested in the server side of things
[07:36] <Razor-X> you know how we elaborate about OSS as in ``Not free as in beer, but free as in libre''
[07:36] <Razor-X> but, now there's an open-source _beer_
[07:36] <DaSkreech> Cause I need to drop it
[07:36] <dabaR> sour: os x? hehe, caveat emptor...
[07:36] <dabaR> I use that.
[07:36] <Razor-X> what's happening! my favorite OSS quip is GONE!!! :(
[07:36] <sour> wtf is this caveat emptor
[07:36] <dabaR> to each his own
[07:36] <bob2> "Free as in speech, not as in Coopers", then
[07:36] <Razor-X> sour: something may go wrong
[07:37] <sour> Razor-X in osx?
[07:37] <Razor-X> bob2: but, we have to be the forerunners of this new statement
[07:37] <robotgeek> okay..in Sensible Browser, put in !firefox '%s' instead of sensible browser
[07:37] <Razor-X> before mass havoc reaches the Outer IRC Rim
[07:37] <skalpel> awesome, thank you
[07:37] <robotgeek> no probs
[07:38] <dabaR> DaSkreech: what are you talking about, please elaborate.
[07:38] <skalpel> actually it does not do anything
[07:38] <skalpel> but
[07:38] <skalpel> there is already a firefox submenu section, i guess i can use that
[07:38] <DaSkreech> I'm having issues with my VT and I think it may be my COlour depth
[07:38] <cafuego> OMG
[07:38] <dabaR> skalpel: is tehre a preffered apps in your System>Preferences?
[07:38] <robotgeek> skalpel, i think with xchat, you need a restart of xchat :)
[07:38] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: you have a VT?
[07:39] <dabaR> whats up cafuego ?
[07:39] <skalpel> dabar: no
[07:39] <Razor-X> OMFG man, can I have a picture!!!????
[07:39] <Razor-X> dude, a real VT
[07:39] <Razor-X> those things kick ass
[07:39] <robotgeek> VT??
[07:39] <cafuego> dabaR: I need to wait 3 more weeks for the ATA controllers I'm after
[07:39] <skalpel> k
[07:39] <dabaR> is there preffered apps in your Systen>Admin?
[07:39] <DaSkreech> Virtual terminal
[07:39] <Razor-X> robotgeek: it's what the Linux Terminal errors wre designed from
[07:39] <DaSkreech> When you press Alt=Ctrl+Fx
[07:39] <dabaR> cafuego: well, good luck with that:)
[07:39] <jmanns> does anyone have drivers for a lexmark z515 printer or know where i can find it?
[07:39] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: gah, new acronyms have superseded legacy ones!
[07:39] <Razor-X> VT100, the ``real'' terminal
[07:40] <auk> hey, i have a problem with getting the fixed version of FF
[07:40] <robotgeek> Razor-X, oh..that VT!
[07:40] <dabaR> Razor-X: are you talking about the vt102 thing?
[07:40] <Razor-X> back before there _were_ terminal errors
[07:40] <Razor-X> robotgeek: of course, of course
[07:40] <dabaR> sour: no, its Razor-X .
[07:40] <DaSkreech> Razor-X: if I use chvt then I get either a Blank red screen or a black screen with a blue border
[07:40] <luckyaba> sour: yes
[07:40] <luckyaba> sour: now go away
[07:40] <cafuego> sour: ymmv
[07:40] <robotgeek> Razor-X, keep seeing references to that thing in man xterm :)
[07:40] <Razor-X> sour: in a geek channel, you need to learn geek ;)
[07:40] <auk> when i try to remove it, 'sudo apt-get remove mozilla-firefox', it tells me it needs to remove several other packages, notably ubuntu-desktop
[07:40] <Razor-X> when you say ``Ack'' I say ``Syn''
[07:40] <dabaR> jmanns: there are usually no drivers to install, just use the System>Admin>Printing app.
[07:40] <Razor-X> that's what geek is, it's a way of life
[07:41] <Razor-X> and i'm fscking proud ;)
[07:41] <sour> two seconds, i wrote something for people like you
[07:41] <highvoltage> Razor-X: it's supposed to be the other way around
[07:41] <auk> !info ubuntu-desktop
[07:41] <robotgeek> maybe a efsck :)
[07:41] <ubotu> ubuntu-desktop: (The Ubuntu desktop system), section base, is optional. Version: 0.43 (hoary), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
[07:41] <auk> ugghh
[07:41] <DaSkreech> So again how do I switch Colour depth?
[07:41] <robotgeek> auk, just remove it and install it back :)
[07:41] <dabaR> skalpel": is there preffered apps in your Systen>Admin?
[07:41] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: which Terminal Emulator do you have?
[07:41] <highvoltage> DaSkreech: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:42] <auk> robotgeek: hmm, apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop says a bunch of stuff, but what i am worried about is: ...
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Hmm?
[07:42] <skalpel> dabar: no
[07:42] <auk> it is used to carry out certain upgrade
[07:42] <auk>  transitions (such as adding new packages to the system).
[07:42] <wtf> ACL is access control list
[07:42] <dabaR> where is the preffered apps icon, in ubuntu?
[07:42] <sour> wtf ssh
[07:42] <wtf> SSH is secure shell
[07:42] <sour> there we go
[07:42] <dabaR> has to ne.
[07:42] <robotgeek> auk, you won't lose your settings or anything?
[07:42] <auk> if i remove it, i will still be able to install new packages w/o it?
[07:43] <dabaR> remove it
[07:43] <auk> (ubuntu-desktop, not FF)
[07:43] <dabaR> it is not a real package
[07:43] <sour> wtf ff
[07:43] <wtf>  is
[07:43] <sour> :(
[07:43] <skalpel> dabar: how do i install this smeg menu editor again?
[07:43] <the--dud> wtf fucking crapping fuck
[07:43] <wtf> AP is access point
[07:43] <dabaR> remove ubuntu-desktop whenever apt tells you to.
[07:43] <the--dud> :o
[07:43] <dabaR> wtf fx
[07:43] <wtf>  is
[07:44] <dabaR> skalpel: did you visit ubuntuguide.org?
[07:44] <robotgeek> auk, remove firefox, remove ubuntu-desktop , install the new firefox or so, and reinstall ubuntu-desktop ??
[07:44] <auk> dabaR: i will try that...
[07:44] <dabaR> robotgeek: wrong.
[07:44] <skalpel> dabar: yes but i dont see anything about enabling backports
[07:44] <DaSkreech> highvoltage: What should I be looking for?
[07:44] <robotgeek> okay...can we please not have nicks like wtf? it's confusing when ppl say wtf!!
[07:44] <orac> skalpel: sudo apt-get install smeg
[07:44] <dabaR> ok, find the adding repositories.
[07:44] <dabaR> orac: it is in backports.
[07:44] <robotgeek> dabaR, go ahead...today seems a bad day for me :)
[07:44] <auk> dabaR: do not reintall ubuntu-desktop ??
[07:44] <orac> ok, and they are disabled atm?
[07:44] <auk> dabaR | robotgeek: wrong.
[07:45] <auk> ?
[07:45] <dabaR> robotgeek: he is a bot.
[07:45] <skalpel> orac: E: Couldn't find package smeg
[07:45] <Jet2k5> Razor-X: you here you man ladie?
[07:45] <Razor-X> Jet2k5: wtf?
[07:45] <dabaR> auk, he told you to do something that was wrong.
[07:45] <sanguinalis> Hello
[07:45] <highvoltage> DaSkreech: DefaultColourDepth
[07:45] <robotgeek> yeah, it says right in my nick 'robot'geek -> database not updated--> crapping out!
[07:45] <auk> dabaR: ok...what was it?
[07:45] <highvoltage> next to it it should say 8 or 16 or 24 or 32
[07:45] <tritium> dabaR, please don't advise ubuntuguide
[07:46] <auk> !ubuntuguide
[07:46] <ubotu> hmm... ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[07:46] <dabaR> auk: do not worry about ubuntu-desktop being removed, it is a virtual package, that contains information created byt the ubuntu developers, to tell apt which other packages you should get when you get the default ubuntu desktop,.
[07:46] <sanguinalis> So, I'm a complete newb and I have no idea what I am doing and I can't seem to figure out how to get my wireless card to work on Ubuntu
[07:46] <dabaR> tritium: you shouldve ben here last night.
[07:46] <robotgeek> !wifi
[07:46] <ubotu> methinks wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[07:46] <robotgeek> sanguinalis, ^^^
[07:46] <tritium> dabaR, for what?
[07:46] <dabaR> tritium: bob2 recommended ubuntuguide. As well, I am using it only as a reference.
[07:46] <DaSkreech> highvoltage: Any tips on getting the Alt+Ctrl key maps to work again?
[07:46] <Jet2k5> Razor-X: lol just kidding dude what's up?
[07:47] <Razor-X> Jet2k5: hehe, hey
[07:47] <robotgeek> sanguinalis, have u read the link?
[07:47] <robotgeek> btw, does anyone know of a notification system like growl for linux?
[07:47] <Jet2k5> who's having trouble!!! ::P
[07:47] <highvoltage> DaSkreech: nope
[07:47] <Razor-X> robotgeek: notification, shmotification ;)
[07:47] <highvoltage> robotgeek: i'm sure someone does
[07:47] <Jet2k5> robotgeek: no sorry, but I could growl if you like
[07:48] <Jet2k5> *meo
[07:48] <robotgeek> hmm....
[07:48] <Jet2k5> I mean *meow*
[07:48] <sanguinalis> Yeah, Awesome, ok, that is the first straight forward guide I have found so far...
[07:48] <Jet2k5> bah
[07:48] <Jet2k5> *growl*
[07:48] <skalpel> dabar: what was that url for help on enabling backports?
[07:48] <dabaR> skalpel: ok, lets do this.
[07:48] <dabaR>  /join #flood
[07:48] <DaSkreech> highvoltage: Would my Keyboard Set make a difference as to whether or not I can switch consoles?
[07:48] <highvoltage> sanguinalis: which one? ubuntuguide? it's not recomended, since it's just a bunch of commands.
[07:48] <robotgeek> Jet2k5, that din't do it for me!
[07:48] <learn25> Anybody knows how to configure apache2 to start at boot up? i tried google but failed to find a solution. i always manually start my apache2. ;-(
[07:48] <Jet2k5> Jet2k5: :(
[07:48] <auk> ugggh
[07:48] <dabaR> also, in a terminal type in sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:49] <robotgeek> highvoltage, ubuntu wiki wifi howto
[07:49] <dabaR> auk: wassup?
[07:49] <auk> i uninstalled/reinstalled FF bu tit's nto fixed
[07:49] <auk> *it's not
[07:49] <Jet2k5> highvoltage: soo Ubuntuguide is not good?
[07:49] <sanguinalis> The link that was posted a minute ago....So, here's a question.  SBC DSL routers...are they supported?
[07:49] <dabaR> why remove firefox?
[07:49] <Jet2k5> auk: that was a lot of cuss words :P
[07:49] <Jet2k5> FF
[07:49] <auk> dabaR: it says so in the topic
[07:49] <Jet2k5> tit's
[07:49] <robotgeek> Jet2k5, giving you a bunch of commands without any reason for them is not good!
[07:50] <Jet2k5> wait damn
[07:50] <Jet2k5> umm what's the problem with firefox?
[07:50] <sanguinalis> Anyone who's still running Windows should look into enigma browser.  I found it much better than firefox, Netscape and IE...
[07:50] <robotgeek> sanguinalis, interesting ...i was planning to get one too!
[07:50] <Jet2k5> sanguinalis: how dare you!
[07:50] <auk> lol
[07:50] <sanguinalis> lol
[07:50] <Jet2k5> robotgeek: ?!?
[07:50] <sanguinalis> I know, I know.
[07:50] <Jet2k5> dude
[07:50] <Jet2k5> wtf
[07:50] <Jet2k5> :P
[07:50] <auk> dabaR: ping
[07:51] <The_Vox> Jet2k5: previous update was broken...new update isn't...but you need to uninstall the previous update and install the new one "clean"
[07:51] <Jet2k5> The_Vox: ok .. I'm now lost :P
[07:51] <sanguinalis> I know I've commited a sin, but it really is a great browser.  Very secure and stable.
[07:51] <Jet2k5> let me get rid of these " backports "
[07:51] <ctrlER> learn25, do you have /etc/init.d/apache?
[07:51] <auk> buuuuuurrrrrrnnnnnn him at the stake!!!!!
[07:51] <robotgeek> Jet2k5, look at the gentoo wiki, u learn a lot from every guide!
[07:51] <Jet2k5> bah
[07:51] <Jet2k5> gentoo
[07:51] <Jet2k5> no way!
[07:52] <Jet2k5> they hate n00bs like me
[07:52] <cafuego> sanguinalis: Is enigma just a VB app with an IE ActuiveX control thrown in?
[07:52] <The_Vox> Jet2k5: there was a security update about a week ago for FF...it was broken (from upstream, not ubuntu's problem)...with me so far?
[07:52] <robotgeek> i only meant the wiki!
[07:52] <robotgeek> very well written, with explanations of why and how
[07:52] <dabaR> auk: well, what is wrong with your firefox?
[07:52] <sanguinalis> It uses IE as a base but it is incredibly stable believe it or not and incredibly more secure than IE.
[07:52] <auk> The_Vox, do you have it fixed?
[07:53] <auk> sanguinalis: eeeewwwww
[07:53] <Razor-X> sanguinalis: Enigma Browser is good
[07:53] <sanguinalis> I Know..
[07:53] <tritium> auk, am I going to have to send you to timeout?
[07:53] <The_Vox> auk: yes, but in a non-kosher way...I uninstalled the ubuntu package and installed from the official firefox installer
[07:53] <tritium> auk, ;)
[07:53] <auk> dabaR: you still there?
[07:53] <Jet2k5> The_Vox: so what do I do just remove firefox?
[07:53] <Razor-X> but still not as stable as FF or Opera
[07:53] <Razor-X> or half as full featured ;)
[07:53] <auk> tritium, lol
[07:53] <dabaR> yes, I asked you above,
[07:53] <Razor-X> (but, Enigma is meant to be a lean browser)
[07:53] <Jet2k5> bah
[07:53] <Jet2k5> everything is fat these days
[07:54] <Jet2k5> my computer is fat
[07:54] <auk> heh
[07:54] <Jet2k5> well more like PH fat
[07:54] <Jet2k5> but you get the point
[07:54] <The_Vox> Jet2k5: yes, "sudo apt-get remove mozilla-firefox && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox"
[07:54] <The_Vox> Jet2k5: that *should* fix you up
[07:54] <auk> The_Vox: ah. i have considered that :)
[07:54] <cafuego> sanguinalis: I choose to indeed not believe it. It'll use the activex thingie, which has all bugs IE has.
[07:54] <Jet2k5> The_Vox: even if it takes the ubuntu-desktop with it :P
[07:54] <auk> robotgeek: emacs!!!
[07:54] <Jet2k5> The_Vox: I like using the GUI
[07:54] <Jet2k5> lol I don't know why
[07:54] <robotgeek> auk,  vim forever!
[07:55] <auk> gggggrrrrr.....
[07:55] <robotgeek> but, seriously...i do this everyday here!
[07:55] <auk> yeah, exactly
[07:55] <Jet2k5> The_Vox: what is the version of the updated version?
[07:55] <The_Vox> auk: I use my browser 20hr a day, and it runs for weeks at a time...and I run about 50 extensions...some of which were broken by the security update...so, I decided to go that route
[07:55] <Jet2k5> The_Vox: I seem to have an available update that happeneds to be firefox
[07:55] <skalpel> dabar: where will smeg show up in my gnome menu?
[07:55] <auk> lol, i only have about twenty extesnoins
[07:55] <Madpilot> we can always distract from the editor war - I'll get ubotu to start a language war instead!
[07:55] <The_Vox> Jet2k5: 1.0.6 something <chuckle> :)
[07:55] <sanguinalis> Ok, so I have a DWL 510 Wireless.  It's a D Link and there is no support obviously from them.  I know I can use an ndsi wrapper and load it, but I am thinking there is an easier way to get linux to install it.
[07:55] <dabaR> skalpel: give m,e a sec?
[07:55] <Madpilot> !start a language war
[07:55] <ubotu> VB.Net is better than PHP!
[07:55] <robotgeek> !flamewar
[07:55] <ubotu> No idea, robotgeek
[07:55] <Madpilot> !good bot
[07:55] <ubotu> :)
[07:55] <Jet2k5> The_Vox: ahh sweet then there is no problem here :)
[07:55] <skalpel> dabar: sure, i got it anyway, thank you for your help
[07:55] <auk> adn i shut my comp down almost every night, to conserve power
[07:55] <The_Vox> Jet2k5: they had to update to the latest version instead of backporting patches
[07:56] <robotgeek> :)
[07:56] <Aloysius> smeg= aplications -> system tools
[07:56] <dabaR> skalpel: whats up, installed smeg?
[07:56] <Jet2k5> New Version: 1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1
[07:56] <auk> !bad bot
[07:56] <ubotu> auk: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[07:56] <Jet2k5> The_Vox: sounds like the right one eh?
[07:56] <auk> hmm :(
[07:56] <robotgeek> alrite guys, early day tommorow...cya all later
[07:57] <dabaR> later
[07:57] <The_Vox> auk: my computer stays on unless there's a HW problem.
[07:57] <The_Vox> Jet2k5: I believe so
[07:57] <sanguinalis> Anyone see my message a moment ago?
[07:57] <Jet2k5> The_Vox: nvm I have to remove them :\
[07:57] <auk> sanguinalis, last message from oyu was 22:55
[07:58] <david_> hello?
[07:58] <dabaR> hey
[07:58] <auk> hello
[07:58] <auk> daba!
[07:58] <auk> it didn't work :(
[07:58] <david_> I'm just trying ubuntu, can i ask a dumb question?
[07:58] <DaSkreech> You just did
[07:58] <auk> yeah
[07:58] <Razor-X> david_: ask away
[07:58] <auk> lol
[07:58] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: hahahaha!
[07:58] <dabaR> skalpel: remember to remove backports once you are done, and update again.
[07:58] <sanguinalis> Ok, I was asking if there was a simplier way to install the drivers for my DWL 510 Dlink wireless card...
[07:58] <Jet2k5> w00t there goes firefox!
[07:58] <skalpel> dabar: after using smeg i am unable to use my gnome menu, any idea why?
[07:59] <dabaR> completely not able to use it? how?
[07:59] <Aloysius> skalpel try "killall gnome-panel"
[07:59] <auk> dabaR: i uninstalled and reinstalled firefox, but it still has the same problems
[07:59] <david_> I'm trying to make a folder, sadly it  doesn't think i have permisison as that root is the owner.  How do i convince it that I am the root?  I did a chmod to 777 to create the folder,but is that really the best way?
[07:59] <auk> david_: thourhg nautilus?
[07:59] <david_> yes
[07:59] <auk> 'sudo nautilus
[07:59] <auk> 'sudo nautilus'
[07:59] <Jet2k5> bah what's wrong with mozilla-mplayer :(
[07:59] <skalpel> dabar: alright
[08:00] <dabaR> i didnt say anything,.
[08:00] <Aloysius> heh i did :P
[08:00] <dabaR> i know
[08:00] <Jet2k5> w00t I have to go the gym tomorrow
[08:00] <david_> how do i do sudo nautilus?  in terminal?
[08:00] <Jet2k5> get to see those pr0n stars work out
[08:00] <dabaR> david
[08:00] <Aloysius> yeh
[08:00] <auk> dabaR: do you have any idea why it didn't work for me?
[08:00] <dabaR> what folder are you creating? why are you creating it?
[08:01] <dabaR> auk, no, but, did you remove backports?
[08:01] <sanguinalis> I guess no one saw that message at all....lol
[08:01] <david_> ah, right on, got the sudo nautilus down, thanks all :D
[08:01] <auk> i have not been using backports, 'cept fo ra select few pkgs that are not in other repositoreis whatsoever
[08:02] <poningru> auk I figured it out
[08:02] <dabaR> david_: dont go.
[08:02] <auk> david_: np
[08:02] <dabaR> david_: what folder are you creating, and why?
[08:02] <poningru> dude just come back to #firefox
[08:02] <poningru> I will explain
[08:02] <auk> david_: don't leave; stay on here for ever end ever
[08:02] <Jet2k5> The_Vox: after I've updated, can I still use backports?
[08:02] <auk> poningru: k
[08:03] <Aloysius> skalpel: any luck?
[08:03] <dabaR> auk: dont tell people to use nautilus as sudo, he will erase all diff kinds of things
[08:03] <david_> i won't leave, i need to learn a ton.  I'm trying to set up apache, and i needed to put files into the /var/www folder, lol
[08:03] <dabaR> david_: did you install apache?
[08:03] <david_> yes
[08:03] <david_> it did the test page ok,i just couldn't put my own page in htere
[08:04] <auk> dabaR: not permanently, jsut for the certain files he want's to manipulate
[08:04] <dabaR> auk: i know you know...
[08:04] <david_> How do i know if apache is running or not?
[08:04] <dabaR> david_: why are you creating a folder? you need a new folder there?
[08:05] <dabaR> david_: opena  browser, point it to localhost
[08:05] <dabaR> david_: be careful with sudo nautilus, as it has privileges to delete any file or folder on the hard drive.
[08:05] <david_> i wasn't actually creating a folder,i was really dumping index.html htere, but it wouldn't let me
[08:05] <highvoltage> david_: ps aux | grep apache
[08:06] <dabaR> if you leave it open, and your cat comes by, it is all gone.
[08:06] <dabaR> david_: to move files, use mv in a temrinal
[08:06] <dabaR> terminal.
[08:06] <david_> i shut it off as soon as i moved
[08:06] <david_> ah, ok
[08:06] <dabaR> to move files to folders you do not have permission for, use sudo mv
[08:06] <deFrysk> witch is a 1.0.6
[08:07] <dabaR> sudo mv ~/index.html /var/www moves the index.html file from your home folder, to your /var/www folder.
[08:07] <dabaR> man mv for more info.
[08:07] <david_> ah, that rocks! thanks
[08:07] <dabaR> welcome.
[08:07] <dabaR> also, whole folders can be moved thesame way.
[08:07] <dabaR> Tab completion is a concept you will also like.
[08:07] <luckyaba> i hate k3b
[08:07] <david_> I'm kinda new to this whole linux thing.  I figured i would learn best if i stopped dual booting and tried to do somthieg "hard" like make a server.
[08:07] <david_> tab completion?
[08:08] <DaSkreech> david_: Do you have a CLI window open?
[08:08] <DaSkreech> david_: try cd and then press tab
[08:08] <Madpilot> david_: tab completion works in most IRC apps. type the first couple of letter's of someone's name, then hit TAB...
[08:09] <david_> Da CLI window?  (sorry for the noobness)
[08:09] <dabaR> david_: in a terminal/shell, what its also called, when you are typing, for example mozilla-firefox, you can type in moz, and hit tab, it will complete mozilla, then you type in -, and hit tab again, and it will complete mozilla-firefox
[08:09] <david_> DaSkreech,  OH!
[08:09] <DaSkreech> david_: Like a dos window where you type commands
[08:09] <dabaR> david, yes, terminal, shell, cli./
[08:09] <merlik> tritium sorry to bother you, but that sudo dpkg-reconfiger xserver-xorg didn't fix my resolution problem, the xorg.conf file says to set the resolution at 1024x768 but in gnome it only sets at 640x480
[08:09] <dabaR> tab completion works for nicknames in IRC, as well.
[08:09] <david_> DaSkreech, and dabaR i just noticed that
[08:09] <david_> how cool
[08:09] <dabaR> ya. it is handy.
[08:10] <dabaR> same with files.
[08:10] <cafuego> and with the right bash functions loaded, also for command-line args to various applications.
[08:10] <dabaR> filenames.
[08:10] <tritium> merlik, did you try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto ?
[08:10] <dabaR> cafuego: example?
[08:10] <david_> cafuego, What is the bash i read so much about?
[08:10] <DaSkreech> Apaprently Gnome has a Virtual Console bug
[08:10] <tritium> merlik, in particular, the 'Undetected Monitor Specs' section
[08:11] <DaSkreech> david_: That would be the shell that you type into
[08:11] <cafuego> dabaR: The package tools on my box work with debian's tab completion function, so i can say typ 'apt-get i<tab>'
[08:11] <DaSkreech> david_: It does the tab completion for you :)
[08:11] <dabaR> nice
[08:11] <merlik> tritium, yes i did and i tried to modify manually as well, but it messed the whole xserver up when i tried to reload it after that, i had restore the backup
[08:11] <tritium> merlik, not sure then
[08:11] <david_> how do i change users in the terminal?
[08:11] <cafuego> dabaR: or even 'apt-get <tab><tab>' for a list
[08:11] <merlik> tritium, one thing i am noticing the refresh rate isnt showing up in xorg.conf
[08:12] <bluefoxicy> what's a quick way to find out my actual CPU speed
[08:12] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[08:12] <DaSkreech> david_: You can try su <username>
[08:12] <tritium> merlik, but you tried setting it, didn't you?
[08:12] <parabolize> david_, some info on bash http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/bash.html
[08:12] <bluefoxicy> cafuego: proc/cpuinfo says my 2800+ Athlon64 newcastle is 1005MHz
[08:12] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: it's throttling, then.
[08:12] <david_> DaSkreech, Thanks, that worked perfectly
[08:12] <david_> parabolize, headed there now
[08:12] <tritium> merlik, do you know your monitor's specs?
[08:12] <bluefoxicy> cafuego: ?
[08:13] <konki> anyone plays poker online?? whats the best linux/ubuntu poker client???
[08:13] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: At full speed it will do 1809 MHz
[08:13] <merlik> tritium, let me try manually, i set it in the sudo command you told me, i tried 60Hz and 75Hz which are well within the range, but they didnt show up
[08:13] <dabaR> konki: asked synaptic?
[08:13] <hayden> are there any better programs than gedit to code programs in?
[08:13] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: If it's got nothing to do, it will underclock itself.
[08:13] <tritium> merlik, find out your monitor specs, and give the full range
[08:13] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  wow that actually works now?
[08:13] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  this is a desktop
[08:13] <dabaR> hayden: what programming lang?
[08:13] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: Yeah.
[08:13] <bluefoxicy> cpu MHz         : 1809.457
[08:13] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: I have an 2800+ too, does the same thing.
[08:13] <bluefoxicy> wow
[08:13] <hayden> c/java/php/shell scripts
[08:14] <cafuego> hayden: I prefer $EDITOR
[08:14] <yoboy> hi
[08:14] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  so if it's gonna relax, why doesn't it relax at 200Mhz?
[08:14] <konki> dabaR, it has KDE poker, poker3d, etc. but i had trouble installing them on my comp...
[08:14] <hayden> cafuego, ?
[08:14] <tritium> good night
[08:14] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: Ask AMd, they designed which speeds it should run at...
[08:14] <dabaR> night
[08:14] <dabaR> ok, well thank god he's gone;)
[08:15] <yoboy> someone can help me with a bug i don't find in the bugzilla ?
[08:15] <dabaR> hayden: vi can be used, bluefish, anjuta...
[08:15] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: The mobile CPUs go lower, my laptop for instance staps between 2GHz and 500 MHz
[08:15] <dabaR> there is this thing called IDE, check it out on the wikipedia
[08:15] <yoboy> it's about "linux-image_2.6.10-5-386" and a raid installation
[08:15] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  interesting.
[08:15] <Aloysius> haydn : check bluefish....i use it and like it....mainly php http etc
[08:16] <dabaR> hayden: eclipse is what I use for Java.
[08:16] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  my box is a 300 watt microatx ;)
[08:16] <cafuego> http is a protocol, not a language.
[08:16] <dabaR> hehe
[08:16] <cafuego> and dammit, html isn't a programming language either
[08:16] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  think I got enough to drop in a Radeon x850?
[08:16] <dabaR> mistake:)
[08:16] <hayden> dabaR: ok thanks
[08:16] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: I expect so.
[08:16] <dabaR> hayden: ya,...
[08:16] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: No! No!
[08:16] <Aloysius> heh typo :P
[08:16] <dabaR> yoboy: good luck:)
[08:16] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: The ATI drivers *suck* on amd64.
[08:16] <yoboy> tanks dabaR :p
[08:16] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  microatx makes a lot of difference in power usage
[08:17] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: Choose an nvidia card, their drivers work fine.
[08:17] <thechitowncubs> Are there any plans to improve the spatial mode of nautilus in Gnome 2.12 or Breezy?
[08:17] <bluefoxicy> yeah but I mean the power consumption of the card
[08:17] <yoboy> it's not an agressive bug
[08:17] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  nVidia dissappoints me.
[08:17] <macintoshr> is there a linux port of quake 1 that works under ubuntu?
[08:17] <DaSkreech> Blast!!!
[08:17] <macintoshr> glquake
[08:17] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: But it will at least _work_
[08:17] <david_> WOAH!! proc/.... is awsome!
[08:17] <DaSkreech> I'm pretty sure if I can get this )&*&%* to work I can see xplanet
[08:17] <dabaR> yoboy: give more info, I think.
[08:17] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  the latest nvidia cards and drivers I hear actually freeze when entering opengl mode; though the last person tried to fix that by updating the drivers, and they froze when starting X
[08:18] <DaSkreech> david_: I have a sad revalation for you
[08:18] <dabaR> DaSkreech: trying to see the root x window?
[08:18] <david_> DaSkreech, what is that?
[08:18] <yoboy> dabaR, my problem too is the error messages are in french :p
[08:18] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: Mione isn't a "latest" card - 5700 TDH - which works absolutely fine.
[08:18] <yoboy> E: linux-image-2.6.10-5-386:  le sous-processus post-installation script a retourn une erreur de sortie d'tat 2
[08:18] <david_> yoboy je parle francais
[08:18] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  besides that, nvidia shit will suddenly stop working when I deploy my OS, as they stop working on any properly secure linux distribution.
[08:18] <yoboy> david_,  cool :)
[08:18] <parabolize> bluefoxicy, nvidia cards are working better in linux than ati.
[08:19] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  implementing a memory protection policy causes the glx drivers to fuck themselves as they try to generate code at runtime.
[08:19] <david_> the top process after the instillation script has retured an exit error of state 2
[08:19] <yoboy> on the Terminal viex (synaptic) :
[08:19] <yoboy> Terminal
[08:19] <yoboy> aprs les "Dpaquetage"s
[08:19] <yoboy> ...
[08:19] <yoboy> Paramtrage de linux-image_2.6.10-5-386 (2.6.10-34.3) ...
[08:19] <yoboy> mdadm: md device /dev/md0 does not appear to be active.
[08:19] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: My point is that (afaik) ATI has *no* working amd64 drivers.
[08:19] <yoboy> /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: mdadm -D /dev/md0 failed
[08:19] <dabaR> bluefoxicy: I wish I had the same thing for girls...
[08:19] <yoboy> Failed to create initrd image
[08:19] <yoboy> dpkg : erreur de traitement de linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 (--configure): le sous-prucessus post-installation script a retourn une erreur de sortie d'tat 2
[08:19] <yoboy> ...
[08:19] <yoboy> Suite des paramtrages OK
[08:19] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: it's not a "foo is better than bar" issue.
[08:19] <dabaR> yoboy:
[08:19] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  *shrug*
[08:19] <dabaR> !pastebin
[08:19] <DaSkreech> dabaR: Yes
[08:19] <ubotu> [pastebin]  at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[08:19] <david_> yoboy the top process after the instillation script has retured an exit error of state 2
[08:19] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: it's a "foo works, bar doesn't, at all" issue
[08:20] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  ATi has working open source drivers that get 3D up to the 9400
[08:20] <DaSkreech> david_: You'll be doing that at least once a week for hte rest of your life using Linux
[08:20] <dabaR> DaSkreech: I know how to set that up.
[08:20] <yoboy> ubotu, sorry :p
[08:20] <ubotu> Wish i knew, yoboy
[08:20] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  and they're actively maintained.
[08:20] <david_> yoboy, do you want to know what the rest says?
[08:20] <parabolize> bluefoxicy, the ati driver SUCK
[08:20] <dabaR> !good bot
[08:20] <ubotu> :)
[08:20] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: You talking about fglrx?
[08:20] <yoboy> i know what it say i'm french
[08:20] <david_> yoboy doh :(
[08:20] <bluefoxicy> cafuego: no, I'm talking about the xorg standard ones you get with 'radeon' that got my quake3 working on my laptop with only open source drivers.
[08:20] <david_> yoboy, how was the translation :D
[08:20] <DaSkreech> dabaR: Any hints?
[08:21] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: *nod* I have that one on my laptop as well.
[08:21] <dabaR> DaSkreech: sure, why didnt you ask sooner;) gnome?
[08:21] <yoboy> perfec
[08:21] <yoboy> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/772
[08:21] <dabaR> now translate it.
[08:21] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: a "latest" catd isn't going to work with that driver and the proprietary one doesn't (last I heard) even exist for amd64.
[08:21] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  I don't need 3D yet anyway though, i'm on a via chipset without 3D
[08:21] <dabaR> hehe
[08:21] <DaSkreech> dabaR: Well yah :-0
[08:21] <DaSkreech> :-)
[08:21] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  the proprietary nvidia driver still generates code at runtime.
[08:22] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: At least it _works_.
[08:22] <dabaR> DaSkreech: Apps>System TOols>COnf Editor.
[08:22] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  when I'm done, that won't be possible without explicitly removing security protections on the affected binary.
[08:22] <dabaR> let me see for teh rest DaSkreech
[08:22] <david_> oh shit, what is the ipconfig equivilant of linux?  I need to know what my ip is off the router....
[08:22] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  bzflag and blender don't even get the splash screen up in hardened gentoo unless you use open source xorg drivers ;)
[08:23] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: If you're security conscious you won't be running X at all <heh>
[08:23] <bluefoxicy> david_: ifconfig
[08:23] <david_> bluefoxicy, lol, really?
[08:23] <dabaR> ya
[08:23] <dabaR> interface
[08:23] <dabaR> if
[08:23] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  I'm using my gathered knowledge to design a hyper-secure, ultrauserfriendly OS based on linux
[08:23] <DaSkreech> david_: try it and see
[08:23] <david_> OH, lol, iF
[08:23] <dabaR> DaSkreech: Apps>Nautilus>Prefs>Show Desktop, uncheck that.
[08:23] <david_> negative, ifconfig, command not found
[08:24] <cafuego> david_: sudo ifconfig
[08:24] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  the hardened gentoo team did a good job with theirs, but it's slightly bulky on the administration side.
[08:24] <david_> doh
[08:24] <david_> cafuego, thanks
[08:24] <bluefoxicy> some tuning of the technology should prove valuable.
[08:24] <cafuego> bluefoxicy: Stop talking about gentoo to me.
[08:24] <DaSkreech> dabaR: Whee Pretty :-)
[08:24] <eartaker> k
[08:24] <DaSkreech> dabaR: Ok I'm happy
[08:24] <eartaker> u know
[08:24] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  next thing you're going to tell me is to stop talking about niggers to you?
[08:24] <eartaker> u can just type  / j
[08:24] <DaSkreech> I can figure out the Alt+Ctrl Issue tomororw
[08:24] <dabaR> doctro sage is here.
[08:25] <doctor_salvia> how do you activate the nvidia-glx drivers?
[08:25] <Madpilot> doctor_salvia: get them stoned   ;)
[08:25] <IceDC571> i love ubuntu
[08:25] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  I don't understand peoples' immature display of their personal insecurities when certain topics are brought up.
[08:25] <doctor_salvia> Madpilot: stoned??? hell more like trippin balls
[08:25] <parabolize> IceDC571, :)
[08:26] <bluefoxicy> like peole who crumble at any conversation that incorporates a specific distribution.
[08:26] <david_> someone wanna try this web adress for me?  http://68.58.38.3 hopefully you won't get my router page...
[08:26] <bluefoxicy> I hate red hat but i still grab what I can out of them when designing a better system.
[08:26] <dabaR> david_: woohoo.
[08:26] <david_> dabaR, what did you see?
[08:26] <DaSkreech> Looks good david_
[08:27] <DaSkreech> david_: Very Nice Router page
[08:27] <david_> DaSkreech, seriously? NOOOOOO :(
[08:27] <Madpilot> doctor_salvia: actually, I have no idea about nvidia drivers. I'm just bullsh*tting you...
[08:27] <IceDC571> i was going to install windows 2000 then i thought wow i would have to open up my PC and install a floppy drive just to get it to recognize some drivers for my SATA drive.. then remove it because who uses floppies these days
[08:27] <DaSkreech> I'm kidding Thats a good site :-)
[08:27] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  wake up and answer me before I completely splatter you against the channel walls.
[08:27] <DaSkreech> July 21 too
[08:27] <david_> DaSkreech, so what is my name?  it would be clear if you could see the page...
[08:27] <DaSkreech> Pretty up to date
[08:27] <bluefoxicy> pff
[08:27] <bluefoxicy> Figures.
[08:27] <DaSkreech> I have to Coe up closer to the monitor to see
[08:27] <doctor_salvia> Madpilot: wait.... did your comment have anything to do with the word salvia in my name?
[08:27] <david_> lol
[08:27] <DaSkreech> ;-)
[08:27] <bluefoxicy> Even here I run into immature children.
[08:28] <david_> DaSkreech, thanks :D
[08:28] <imaek> How do you close without saving in VIM?
[08:28] <david_> i can't bel9ieve i got a server up and running
[08:28] <dabaR> http://dabar.selfip.org/Screenshot.png david_
[08:28] <parabolize> IceDC571, I just did that for my bios... made my angry
[08:28] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  Go home and come back online when you reach puberty kid.=
[08:28] <david_> holy crap :D
[08:28] <david_> you got that up fast
[08:28] <david_> i assume you have your own server too :D
[08:28] <dabaR> good burn, DaSkreech
[08:29] <dabaR> david_: I use linux...
[08:29] <DaSkreech> david_: nah he's a Alchemist He made one of spare minerals
[08:29] <david_> dabaR, lol, now if only i knew why your version of the page has the css run together
[08:29] <dade`>   xinit: Depends: xauth but it is not installable
[08:29] <david_> dabaR, do you have your text on normal size?
[08:29] <dade`> using breezy
[08:29] <Madpilot> doctor_salvia: yeah... you were on a few nights ago talking about salvia & pot, weren't you?
[08:29] <dabaR> david_: no, that is likely it, I guess.
[08:29] <doctor_salvia> servers are quite easy to setup "somebody's a n00b"
[08:30] <doctor_salvia> Madpilot: oh yea!!!
[08:30] <dabaR> just a sec
[08:30] <david_> dabaR, yeah, i don't know why it's such an issue w/ css, but i've had some people complain
[08:30] <eartaker> what kind of servers?
[08:30] <dade`> my X does not start after upgrading to breezy!   xinit: Depends: xauth but it is not installable
[08:30] <doctor_salvia> HTTP!!!!!!!!
[08:30] <eartaker> LOL
[08:30] <Madpilot> I *am* an Apache noob, so I've got to ask: how do I add my own stuff to /var/www so it runs on localhost?
[08:30] <doctor_salvia> quite funny
[08:30] <david_> :D
[08:31] <eartaker> u can get apache on synaptic and it will self install
[08:31] <doctor_salvia> no sheittt
[08:31] <david_> Madpilot, sudo mv ~index.html /var/www
[08:31] <Madpilot> !lamp
[08:31] <ubotu> lamp is probably Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary
[08:31] <david_> assuming index.html is in your home folder
[08:31] <dabaR> ~/index.html
[08:31] <yoboy> welle i have tried to translate my error code and i put more infos : http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/774
[08:31] <abydos> wtf, I still have no sound
[08:31] <doctor_salvia> haha
[08:31] <david_> wow, here 5 min and i could help someone :D
[08:31] <Madpilot> you can do the entire LAMP stack in Ubuntu thru Synaptic - you've already got Linux, and Apache, PHP & MySQL are all in repos
[08:31] <dade`> none helps me
[08:31] <IceDC571> is anyone here using qemu?
[08:32] <dade`> -.-
[08:32] <dabaR> david_: you told him wrong.
[08:32] <dade`> :(
[08:32] <dabaR> but, no matter.
[08:32] <Madpilot> david_: thnx
[08:32] <dabaR> I put it on my server to point out the css thing.
[08:32] <doctor_salvia> lets all stab each other :-)
[08:32] <doctor_salvia> umm
[08:32] <orac> IceDC571, I tried, but did not succeed
[08:32] <doctor_salvia> i mean yo
[08:32] <abydos> My sound card is configured properly, now why is xine not putting out sound?
[08:32] <david_> dabaR, what did i tell him wrong?
[08:33] <dabaR> david_: I gave you a link to the screenshot, to show you it is not displayed properly on my screen.
[08:33] <dabaR> ~index.html, and it shoudl be ~/index.html
[08:33] <dabaR> ~is a replacement for the home folder. /has to be after it.
[08:33] <david_> woops
[08:33] <_maydayjay_> david_ - looks fine in firefox
[08:33] <dabaR> abydos: what about other programs?
[08:33] <dabaR> Mayday: its a text size thing.
[08:34] <david_> dabaR, what link is that?  different from the first i saw?
[08:34] <dabaR> Mayday: sorry.
[08:34] <dabaR> _maydayjay_: ^
[08:34] <david_> it for sure is a text size, anything but normal messes up css :(
[08:34] <IceDC571> orac: how did you not succeed?
[08:34] <dabaR> nono, the first one shows that the text is not shown right.
[08:34] <_maydayjay_> dabaR - noprb
[08:35] <orac> IceDC571: I got 99% of w2k installed on 3.5gb img, and then it said there was no room
[08:35] <dabaR> david_: use percentages, instead of text sizes, I think. I dont know sh about css, tho.
[08:35] <dabaR> as such: h4{font-family:arial; font-size:110%;
[08:36] <dabaR> I think.
[08:36] <DaSkreech> david_: Sounds ilke you have things set to absolute
[08:36] <dade`> /usr/bin/update-fonts-dir: line 99: mkfontdir: command not found
[08:36] <dade`> head: cannot open `/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.dir' for reading: No such file or directory
[08:36] <dabaR> DaSkreech: again, I really liked your burn about the nice router page...
[08:36] <IceDC571> orac: how "fast" was it running?
[08:36] <david_> dabaR,  ohhhh, i'm a pretty much css noob, i just learned enough so that i oculd put a text box over an image, lol
[08:36] <dabaR> david_: I know nothing about it too...
[08:36] <dabaR> looks nice the page, tho.
[08:36] <dabaR> dade`: what are you trying to do?
[08:37] <dade`> just to get X working
[08:37] <dabaR> dade`: ati?
[08:37] <dade`> i'm istalling x-window-system
[08:37] <DaSkreech> dabaR: I figured the triumph after the let down was better :-)
[08:37] <dade`> no, s3 savage
[08:37] <doctor_salvia> ati = gay
[08:37] <orac> IceDC571: some bits were lightning fast, but most of the install it just looked frozen, then jumped to heaps done, really erratic
[08:37] <doctor_salvia> LOL
[08:37] <dabaR> s3 = nvidia?
[08:37] <dade`> ..
[08:37] <dabaR> doctor_salvia: are you ok?
[08:37] <DaSkreech> david_: try A List apart
[08:37] <dabaR> dade`: is it?
[08:37] <cafuego> doctor_salvia: No, gay is a sexual orientation. ati is a company.
[08:37] <dade`> this problem does not depends on video board
[08:38] <dabaR> how do you know?
[08:38] <dade`> no s3 is s3 nothing else damn
[08:38] <david_> DaSkreech, what is a list apart?
[08:38] <doctor_salvia> cafuego: yes'm indeed but in fact 2 can be intertwined ;-)
[08:38] <dade`> i need this mkfontdir
[08:38] <dabaR> dade`: chill out, I knowyou are frustrated, and I undcerstand, I will try to help you.
[08:38] <dade`> what packages contains mkfontdir
[08:38] <dabaR> dade`: did you install as server?
[08:38] <cafuego> !find mkfontdir
[08:39] <DaSkreech> david_: Try google for it
[08:39] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'mkfontdir' (1 shown): (/usr/X11R6/bin/mkfontdir) in x11/xutils.
[08:39] <cafuego> or did you install breezy against all better judgement?
[08:39] <Madpilot> david_: AListApart is a web dev page. very very good. http://www.alistapart.com/
[08:40] <dabaR> that means you hit him.
[08:40] <doctor_salvia> haha
[08:40] <IceDC571> holy crap.. my sb live hasnt sounded this good in ages
[08:40] <dabaR> Madpilot: web dev, or web des?
[08:40] <eternale1> hmm i can connect to my apache server using my lan ip but not my wan ip .. which is the same problem im having with ssh
[08:40] <dade`> let's see..
[08:40] <dade`> i have that package
[08:40] <Madpilot> another Apache question: can I just chown the entire /var/ dir? (Firestarter is running)
[08:40] <dade`> but not the executable
[08:40] <Razor-X> eternale1: you have a router, I presume?
[08:40] <dade`> i try reinstalling it
[08:40] <eternale1> ya
[08:40] <cafuego> DaSkreech: Stop it, I'm not hitler.
[08:40] <dabaR> Madpilot: chown for whom?
[08:40] <Razor-X> eternale1: forward the port
[08:40] <doctor_salvia> my audigy 2 zs sounds like a symphony of heavenly orgasm's  :-)
[08:40] <Madpilot> dabaR: web designer, mostly. lots of good CSS stuff
[08:41] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: Hei Linux!
[08:41] <Madpilot> dabaR: can I chown to me, instead of root, and not screw up Apache?
[08:41] <david_> alistapart is bookmarked for later, right now i'm excited to get this server up
[08:41] <Razor-X> doctor_salvia: we try and keep this channel G-rated
[08:41] <dabaR> why chown to you?>
[08:41] <dabaR> dont do it.
[08:41] <Razor-X> not because we watch G-rated movies, but, because not all of us like that kind of stuff ;)
[08:41] <Madpilot> dabaR: so that I can move files in and out w/o using "sudo mv" all the time...
[08:42] <Razor-X> ok ok, PG rated
[08:42] <dade`> /usr/bin/update-fonts-dir: line 99: mkfontdir: command not found
[08:42] <dade`> head: cannot open `/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi/fonts.dir' for reading: No such file or directory
[08:42] <dade`> no way
[08:42] <dade`> ..
[08:42] <Razor-X> in a G rated environment, fsck wouldn't be tolerated, would it?
[08:42] <dabaR> dade`: how come x-window-system is not installed already after initial install?
[08:42] <doctor_salvia> Razor-X: a symphony of massive output's ?
[08:42] <Madpilot> Razor-X: those *nix engineers have dirty minds...
[08:42] <Razor-X> doctor_salvia: a symphony of massive euphoria
[08:42] <DaSkreech> Neither would VT goodness
[08:42] <drummer87> hi all, is there an easy(-ish) way to check the status of msn contacts' msn spaces? like if they've been updated recently..
[08:42] <dade`> it's installable
[08:42] <dade`> but does not worl
[08:42] <dade`> work
[08:42] <vladuz976> how do you undo symbolic links?
[08:42] <Razor-X> Madpilot: I don't (reasons behind that) ;)
[08:42] <dade`> because it can't find fonts
[08:43] <DaSkreech> Well all I'm off
[08:43] <dade`> and installing fonts gives that problem
[08:43] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: you know what a VT is?
[08:43] <doctor_salvia> Razor-X: euphoria indeed
[08:43] <dade`> i mean xfonts-base
[08:43] <IceDC571> im here to fsck your motherboard!
[08:43] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: not for all
[08:43] <drummer87> im trying to convert my sis to linux, but she likes msn 7
[08:43] <DaSkreech> Razor-X: Course I do :-)
[08:43] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: what is it?
[08:43] <dabaR> heh, dade` to me it actually, now that i think about fonts+X not working, seems you installed breezy.
[08:43] <Razor-X> drummer87: ewwww!
[08:43] <dade`> yes i installed breezy
[08:43] <Razor-X> if she was a business type person, you could read an article I wrote for someone
[08:43] <dade`> i told it before
[08:43] <DaSkreech> Razor-X: In here? A Virtual Terminal ;-)
[08:44] <efigyidol> IceDC571: I though fscking was for HD's?
[08:44] <Razor-X> (The Advantages of Open Source Software in the Business Environment)
[08:44] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: what gave you that idea? ;)
[08:44] <dade`> dabaR: there is a known bug like this in breezy ?
[08:44] <Razor-X> efigyidol: floppies, man
[08:44] <dabaR> Madpilot: ok, well, the apache uses www-data as the user that accesses the /var/www folder
[08:44] <dabaR> dade`: yes./
[08:44] <DaSkreech> Cause this is a G-Rated place so it' can't mean anything else
[08:44] <dade`> dabaR: what can i do
[08:44] <DaSkreech> Well a Geek rated G
[08:44] <drummer87> Razor-X, i agree.. it's cluttered.. but my sister is very non-geeky and doesn't like change
[08:44] <dabaR> I heard from the guy that installed the first ubuntu on my box, that he upgradedf, and had to fix the fonts/
[08:44] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: VT == an old physical terminal
[08:44] <efigyidol> Razor-X: ah yes fscking floppy disks
[08:44] <IceDC571> efigyidol: isnt fscking old? do people still do it?
[08:45] <Razor-X> VT \noteq Virtual Terminal
[08:45] <Razor-X> IceDC571: I do
[08:45] <dade`> dabaR: how can i fix
[08:45] <Razor-X> I fsck my ext3 every so often
[08:45] <dabaR> dade`: no idea, I use debian sarge, and ubuntu hoary - stable.
[08:45] <Madpilot> dabaR: OK... still reading the Apache docs - and file search doesn't find "www-data" anywhere?
[08:45] <dade`> ok
[08:45] <IceDC571> Razor-X: i dont know anything.. i gotta read it up on the wikipedia now
[08:45] <dabaR> www-data is a user
[08:45] <macintoshr> floppy disks fsck themselves automatically
[08:45] <dade`> googling..
[08:45] <DaSkreech> Razor-X: Yeah I know that too but that would put us firmly in the Parental category :-0
[08:45] <DaSkreech> Razor-X: :-D
[08:45] <doctor_salvia> I fsck everyday to make sure its still alive
[08:45] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: I refuse to conform to ``lol''
[08:45] <Razor-X> I'm a heh person
[08:45] <efigyidol> IceDC571: I sure hope so. I like a good fsck every now and then.
[08:46] <Razor-X> no laughing-out-loud-without-true-emote-symbols for me
[08:46] <DaSkreech> IceDC571: You can't fsck a Motherboard btw
[08:46] <Razor-X> I prefer my throat sounds ;)
[08:46] <doctor_salvia> oh yes you can'
[08:46] <DaSkreech> Razor-X: Yeah I hate lol as well
[08:46] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: good job!
[08:46] <Razor-X> fighting the presence of those damned AOLers, so many years ago
[08:46] <DaSkreech> Razor-X: Unless I actualyl|laugh IRL
[08:46] <DaSkreech> Then I'll allow it
[08:47] <dabaR> -rwxrwxrwx   1 www-data dbernar1    244110 2005-07-26 01:27 Screenshot.png what does the second user name mean? group?
[08:47] <Razor-X> well, there's an actual world called lolling, ya know? ;)
[08:47] <doctor_salvia> i randomly fsck my 120 mm fan to make sure its nice and oily !!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:47] <Madpilot> in an ordinary terminal, how do I get out to the "FileSystem" folders? var, usr, etc?
[08:47] <Razor-X> doctor_salvia: you know what fsck means, right?
[08:47] <DaSkreech> but roflmaowqtndn
[08:47] <Razor-X> the PG-rated definition, rather
[08:47] <DaSkreech> *rolls eyes*
[08:47] <IceDC571> wait a min.. fsck is the one that checks my hd when it crashes?
[08:47] <efigyidol> yeah
[08:47] <IceDC571> i think im learning something
[08:47] <Razor-X> IceDC571: it checks the HDD
[08:47] <doctor_salvia> Razor-X: indeed
[08:47] <luckyaba> anyone use netbsd?
[08:48] <Razor-X> fsck is also a common synonym for an expletive with a similar name
[08:48] <DaSkreech> david_: Hope to see you again
[08:48] <bob2> lots of people use netbsd
[08:48] <Razor-X> luckyaba: you aren't getting me near that plague
[08:48] <IceDC571> lol
[08:48] <bob2> even more in #netbsd
[08:48] <Razor-X> bob2: XD
[08:48] <IceDC571> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fsck look at the 'use of profanity' section
[08:48] <dabaR> hehe, bob2
[08:48] <DaSkreech> Razor-X: Till me meet again
[08:48] <DaSkreech> dabaR: You da Man!!!
[08:48] <Razor-X> sad thing is, the people who know the expletive version of fsck, don't know the other
[08:48] <dabaR> see ya DaSkreech .
[08:48] <Razor-X> DaSkreech: see ya
[08:48] <dabaR> thanks.
[08:49] <dabaR> bob2: -rwxrwxrwx   1 www-data dbernar1    244110 2005-07-26 01:27 Screenshot.png what does the second user name mean, group?
[08:49] <Razor-X> even though the expletive originated from the PG-rated definition
[08:49] <dabaR> Razor-X: seriously, if this means anything to you, you truly are a geek.
[08:49] <Razor-X> dabaR: dude, that's just ls/chmod speak
[08:50] <dabaR> I dont even know what you said.
[08:50] <doctor_salvia> ok yea, well i can peek and poke.  oh how u like them apples?
[08:50] <bob2> dabaR: it's the groupname
[08:50] <Razor-X> doctor_salvia: what about pushing and popping? ;)
[08:51] <Razor-X> ok, that's a pretty obscure geek joke there
[08:51] <doctor_salvia> lol
[08:51] <bob2> Razor-X: every file is owned by a user and a group; often they are the same
[08:51] <Razor-X> bob2: Ubuntu prefers that to be the same, no?
[08:51] <dabaR> bob2: thanks.
[08:51] <efigyidol> hey I get that one
[08:52] <bob2> bah, that was at dabaR
[08:52] <Razor-X> efigyidol: ;)
[08:52] <Razor-X> bob2: ahh, ok
[08:52] <skalpel> does changing the color depth improve speed on the desktop at all?
[08:52] <bob2> Razor-X: each user has their group, yes
[08:52] <Razor-X> skalpel: the contrary
[08:52] <Razor-X> it decreases speed
[08:52] <doctor_salvia> my.mom.tar.gz   owned by garycoleman with full access
[08:52] <Razor-X> because more colors are being displayed, therefore it's taking more GPU/CPU power
[08:52] <Razor-X> doctor_salvia: hahahaha!
[08:53] <doctor_salvia> shes a big hairy ball of tar
[08:53] <bob2> I don't think the difference is noticable on modern hardware
[08:53] <black13> what package install login
[08:53] <efigyidol> which file should I edit to set the init options for network cards etc, for instance in dmesg ther are compaints about the network being un-reachable, simply because an interface isn't configured at boot. (a simple dhclient eth0 fixes it)
[08:53] <skalpel> razor-x: yes that is what im saying. so if i reduce my color depth to 16k my desktop will move faster and smoother?
[08:53] <bob2> efigyidol: /etc/network/interfaces
[08:53] <efigyidol> thanks bob2.
[08:54] <Razor-X> skalpel: theoretically yes, but in practicality, very little
[08:54] <Razor-X> you're better of accepting the extra 3 ms of wait time
[08:54] <skalpel> are there any other ways to improve speed on the desktop? my ubuntu desktop seems to have alot of memory problems
[08:54] <HrdwrBoB> skalpel: get more ram
[08:54] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[08:54] <black13> ubuntu has a stable xorg?
[08:54] <skalpel> it gets choppy if i have too many apps open, etc
[08:54] <HrdwrBoB> black13: yes
[08:54] <doctor_salvia> get a different window manager dude
[08:54] <benplaut> black13: pretty stable
[08:54] <deFrysk> skalpel, stop using java
[08:54] <Razor-X> skalpel: RAM, basically
[08:55] <Razor-X> yeah, different Window Manager
[08:55] <skalpel> i did not have the same problem with windows xp though
[08:55] <Razor-X> slimmer terminal emulators
[08:55] <doctor_salvia> whats your rig skalpel?
[08:55] <Razor-X> slimmer browsers
[08:55] <black13> and debootstrap?
[08:55] <mebaran151> hey, Razor-X, what happens if you have an incomplete second pass
[08:55] <Razor-X> black13: you don't really mess with debootstrap in Ubuntu
[08:55] <skalpel> doctor salive: an emachine with intel extreme graphcs 2 integrated video
[08:55] <mebaran151> does the second pass in divx write a log
[08:55] <skalpel> oh, salvia, sorry
[08:55] <doctor_salvia> meh
[08:55] <Razor-X> i'm pretty sure a partial log is written
[08:55] <skalpel> i have smoked salvia on a couple occasions, good to see someone else who has too
[08:55] <skalpel> =)
[08:55] <black13> Razor-X i want to make a small system
[08:56] <Razor-X> although, the advantages of the second pass aren't applied
[08:56] <doctor_salvia> skalpel: what strength extract?
[08:56] <Razor-X> black13: if you want something really small, try an Embedded Linux option (like uCLinux)
[08:56] <^rob^> i have a problem with my kde - I can't change or set keyboart layout, the keyboard model combo is empty - can somebody help?
[08:56] <black13> Razor-X i want X11
[08:56] <skalpel> doctor_salvia: 15x i want to say, but it has been a couple years, my memory is fuzzy. do you do that often?
[08:56] <Razor-X> skalpel: how much video RAM
[08:56] <Razor-X> black13: ok, you can have that too
[08:56] <Razor-X> you can even try LFS
[08:57] <mebaran151> Razor-X, over divx2pass.log?
[08:57] <skalpel> razor_x: im not really sure. what is a good way to find out?
[08:57] <black13> Razor-X no no no i have tried that
[08:57] <mebaran151> (my sys intermittently crashes fro no apparaent reason
[08:57] <skalpel> i will look on the website
[08:57] <Razor-X> black13: there's an extended LFS project with X
[08:57] <Razor-X> use XVesa
[08:57] <doctor_salvia> skalpel: yea you tend to forget shit once you get good salvia.. hell i smoked 20x and forgot who i was for a while
[08:57] <Razor-X> coupled with, say VTWM, or Ratpoison
[08:57] <black13> Razor-X i have been down that path it was painfull
[08:57] <Razor-X> a nice and small Terminal Emulator, like Eterm, rxvt, or urxvt
[08:58] <Razor-X> black13: then you don't want something small
[08:58] <dade`> ...
[08:58] <mebaran151> what options do you use in mencoder
[08:58] <dade`> i'm getting nervous
[08:58] <black13> Razor-X 32 megs to me is small
[08:58] <mebaran151> I am encoding Fooly Cooly, the anime, for my trip to Boston in a couple days
[08:58] <^rob^> can somebody help me with X11 keyboard layouts?
[08:58] <Razor-X> mebaran151: ahhh
[08:58] <Razor-X> well, in my AVISynth
[08:58] <skalpel> doctor_salvia: k i just get transported to another world for like 10 minutes or so, hard to say, but i always come back ok
[08:58] <Razor-X> I had really really bad raws
[08:58] <Razor-X> I ran some heavy sharpening
[08:58] <mebaran151> oh
[08:58] <mebaran151> you arent using mencoder
[08:58] <mebaran151> heheh
[08:58] <Razor-X> not really, heh
[08:58] <mebaran151> I was hoping for a good mbd
[08:59] <Razor-X> see here, my subtitled raws really really suck
[08:59] <doctor_salvia> skalpel: yep ive had that many a times.  fun fun
[08:59] <mebaran151> like mdb=2 seems to over qualify certian things
[08:59] <Razor-X> s/suck/sucked/
[08:59] <benplaut> is there a fix to the issue that gnome panel applets aren't transparent?
[08:59] <mebaran151> Razor-X, mine work REALLY well
[08:59] <mebaran151> mencoder does a FABULOUS job ripping them
[08:59] <mebaran151> really ultra great
[08:59] <Razor-X> ahhh, but mine were from less... reliable sources
[08:59] <mebaran151> actually it cheats and just runs heavy compression on the orignial ifo's
[08:59] <Razor-X> this was subtitling back before encoding
[08:59] <^rob^> which is the package that keep Xork keyboard layouts
[08:59] <Razor-X> back in the day when there were no sub groups, and subtitles were yellow letters
[08:59] <^rob^> xorg i mean
[09:00] <black13> should dpkg -S software tell me the name of the package that install the software?
[09:00] <mebaran151> and makes a custom idx it can use
[09:00] <Razor-X> black13: there's apt-get man
[09:00] <Razor-X> what age are you from? ;)
[09:00] <Razor-X> have you seen dselect even?
[09:00] <doctor_salvia> yesterday me and a friend went to my old abandoned junkyard to look for parts to his car, and we found where people had been stashing stolen shit so we loaded up
[09:00] <black13> yeah yeah ...
[09:00] <highvoltage> is the archive server slow/down? I only get 0% [Waiting for headers]  when I try do download packages.
[09:00] <The_Vox> doctor_salvia: what kind of stolen shit?
[09:01] <mebaran151> Razor-X, you know Xvid has just redid the anime codec they have
[09:01] <Razor-X> I had to do a heavy sharpening, then some crazy rainbow filtering (with some whacky settings) because massive sharpening increases rainbow bleeding like hell
[09:01] <mebaran151> I might check it out
[09:01] <desrt> highvoltage; wfm
[09:01] <black13> what kind of stuff
[09:01] <Razor-X> mebaran151: is it better?
[09:01] <Kool-Aid> doctor_salvia, what did you find?
[09:01] <skalpel> i have 256k video memory
[09:01] <doctor_salvia> ibm servers
[09:01] <highvoltage> desrt: wfm?
[09:01] <doctor_salvia> fridges
[09:01] <Razor-X> and after that, I cropped out some of the white space
[09:01] <konki> WINE installed already.... now i installed absolute poker... no problem... how come it doesn't run????
[09:01] <doctor_salvia> microwaves
[09:01] <mebaran151> it empahsizes line detail over motion compensation and assumes more constant color patterns
[09:01] <desrt> highvoltage; "works for me"
[09:01] <The_Vox> doctor_salvia: IBM servers? what kind??
[09:01] <doctor_salvia> monitors
[09:01] <doctor_salvia> i dunno
[09:01] <highvoltage> desrt: ah, thanks
[09:01] <Razor-X> and got rid of some yellow in the picture because it had a bit too much yellow
[09:01] <mebaran151> I dont know yet
[09:01] <Kool-Aid> doctor_salvia, 21"
[09:01] <Razor-X> and then I ran XviD Multipass with relatively mundane settings
[09:01] <mebaran151> the problem is, I cant get it to work reliably with libdvdcss2
[09:01] <doctor_salvia> 21???????????
[09:02] <Razor-X> mebaran151: what was the AVISynth replacement you were talking about?
[09:02] <Kool-Aid> 21 inch monitors?
[09:02] <mebaran151> acidrip
[09:02] <doctor_salvia> oh
[09:02] <skalpel> I SAID I HAVE 256K VIDEO MEMORY
[09:02] <skalpel> heh. is that not enough?
[09:02] <mebaran151> basically a frontend to mencoder
[09:02] <doctor_salvia> mebaran151: your missing a t
[09:02] <bob2> then you're already doomed to a very low resolution
[09:02] <mebaran151> doctor_salvia, a t?
[09:02] <doctor_salvia> mebaran151:  lol ACID TRIP!!!!!!!!!!
[09:02] <^rob^> skalpel: 256K ?? what are you using Trident?
[09:02] <mebaran151> oh
[09:02] <mebaran151> haha
[09:03] <The_Vox> skalpel: enough for what?
[09:03] <Razor-X> mebaran151: what filters does it have?
[09:03] <skalpel> rob: intel
[09:03] <mebaran151> every mencoder has
[09:03] <skalpel> the_vox: irc
[09:03] <mebaran151> actually, the filter pp=de works really nicely
[09:03] <mebaran151> for everything
[09:03] <skalpel> a gnome desktop at 24k color
[09:03] <mebaran151> checkout mplayer's website
[09:03] <Razor-X> time to start on mencoder, I guess ;)
[09:03] <doctor_salvia> so im trying to sell fridges to my neighbors
[09:03] <^rob^> skalpel: 256K? mabye 256Mb not Kilo
[09:03] <doctor_salvia> lol
[09:03] <mebaran151> they have a HUGE number of filters
[09:03] <Razor-X> you know how I got into encoding, mebaran151 ?
[09:03] <bob2> skalpel: how old is the computer?
[09:03] <Razor-X> funny story, really
[09:03] <mebaran151> Razor-X, I have a frontend in ruby if you like
[09:03] <mebaran151> how?
[09:03] <dade`> who is able to get xfonts working in breezy ?
[09:03] <Razor-X> I wanted to show the damned subbing companies that it's easy to sub
[09:04] <skalpel> bob2: not very, it is an emachine t3882
[09:04] <Razor-X> I thought the process was similar to photoshopping
[09:04] <bob2> I wish people would stop using breezy
[09:04] <Razor-X> boy was I fsccking wrong XDDD
[09:04] <bob2> after being told that ti's broken
[09:04] <skalpel> Graphics Controller	Intel 865GV
[09:04] <skalpel> Installed Video Memory	256 KB
[09:04] <skalpel> Video Memory Type	Dynamic Video Memory Technology 2.0
[09:04] <^rob^> what's breezy?
[09:04] <bob2> skalpel: then you don't have 256MB of video memory
[09:04] <Razor-X> skalpel: HAHAHAHAHA
[09:04] <Razor-X> that's.... ``enough''?
[09:04] <highvoltage> dade`: no-one, it seems (in breezy at least)
[09:04] <The_Vox> skalpel: 256k will not give you over 256 colors
[09:04] <bob2> skalpel: the card is using your system ram, too
[09:04] <david_> how do you change users?
[09:04] <Razor-X> that's worse than even my old machine
[09:04] <skalpel> bob2: alright
[09:04] <Razor-X> my 486 has 1 MB
[09:04] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:04] <TokenBad> in the gnome bittorrent program how set port and stuff for it
[09:04] <highvoltage> The_Vox: yest it will! at 320x200!
[09:04] <skalpel> i have 256mb of ram
[09:04] <bob2> Razor-X: dude, read what's going on, it's a modern intel chipset
[09:04] <mebaran151> Razor-X, how did you get into it
[09:04] <konki> whats the easiest windows implementer, ex. WINE???
[09:05] <Razor-X> bob2: really?
[09:05] <yokomo> konki: haha, no
[09:05] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I read online
[09:05] <doctor_salvia> im out.. nigga'z cya lata
[09:05] <Razor-X> encoders have the _crappiest_ documentation in the world
[09:05] <mebaran151> ah, you can READ!
[09:05] <mebaran151> mencoder is pretty good
[09:05] <^rob^> hey - anyone using kde here?
[09:05] <mebaran151> they go into pretty good detail
[09:05] <Razor-X> it's like, the few who have knowledge hide it in little circles and don't share it to the rest of the world
[09:05] <bob2> konki: "windows implementer"?  if you want to run windows programs on linux, wine is about your only choice
[09:05] <Razor-X> ^rob^: me
[09:05] <yokomo> since ubuntu is based on debian, does it include BadRAM support?
[09:05] <konki> yokomo, cuz i'm having problem with wine..
[09:05] <bob2> ^rob^: #kubuntu
[09:05] <skalpel> i did not know you could share video memory and system memory
[09:05] <mebaran151> skalpel, of course you can
[09:05] <Razor-X> yokomo: i'm pretty sure it does
[09:05] <yokomo> konki: what are you trying to run?
[09:05] <mebaran151> the graphic card just gets a little place to map more
[09:06] <mebaran151> it is pretty stupid though
[09:06] <skalpel> i did not know
[09:06] <^rob^> Razor-X: do you have in Control Center - keyboard layout - keyboards models?
[09:06] <mebaran151> because the bandwidth is highly limited
[09:06] <konki> bob2, well i installed wine & installed the prog. successfully, but the prog doesn't run...
[09:06] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I ended up leafing through encoder forum posts (especially one about Midori raws) and I started cobbling together some stuff, and after a while, I started my encodes
[09:06] <yokomo> Razor-X: how sure is pretty sure?
[09:06] <konki> yokomo, absolute poker...
[09:06] <Razor-X> ^rob^: lemme see
[09:06] <mebaran151> Razor-X, but have you read the cli documentation
[09:06] <bob2> konki: then perhaps wine doesn't support it
[09:06] <Razor-X> mebaran151: nopes
[09:06] <Razor-X> hahahaha
[09:06] <^rob^> Razor-X: k
[09:06] <mebaran151> for mencoder,; I must say it gets pretty indepth
[09:06] <The_Vox> highvoltage: uhm...ok, I should have said "at a usable resolution" :)
[09:07] <desrt> so does anyone know what the difference between hoary/hoary-security/hoary-updates is?
[09:07] <Trace>  What do you think of clamscan and f-prot? and other tools of antivirus?
[09:07] <konki> yokomo, i installed it on both C: and Z:
[09:07] <Razor-X> I had to learn encoding theory, not mencoder
[09:07] <mebaran151> and divx has a pdf out that is decent enough that documents it
[09:07] <mebaran151> encoding theory
[09:07] <mebaran151> pretty straightforward
[09:07] <Razor-X> mencoder is a program, encoding is an art
[09:07] <mebaran151> you first start by realizing you can compress frames as JPEG's
[09:07] <yokomo> konki: wine is very sucky in intalling programs, some it does, some it doesn't
[09:07] <Razor-X> mebaran151: not to me, someone who's idea of sophistication was a beautiful API
[09:07] <konki> bob2, so WINE doesn't support all progs?
[09:07] <yokomo> it truly is hit or miss
[09:07] <mebaran151> and then you have B frames and P frames that allow you to figure it out
[09:07] <yokomo> konki: no
[09:07] <bob2> konki: yup
[09:07] <bob2> konki: appdb.codeweavers.com
[09:07] <mebaran151> and save information
[09:08] <Razor-X> my whole conception of encoding theory/application was off because of the gap in between
[09:08] <bob2> Trace: pick one channel
[09:08] <mebaran151> Razor-X, you writing your own encoder?
[09:08] <konki> yokomo, no what??
[09:08] <bob2> Trace: if you're using ubuntu, you don't need a virus scanner at all
[09:08] <konki> thanks bob2
[09:08] <Razor-X> mebaran151: no... that's one of the prereqs about AVISynth though
[09:08] <yokomo> no, wine does not support all programs
[09:08] <Razor-X> a general knowledge of what you're doing
[09:08] <Razor-X> the filters you use, what you're changing, etc.
[09:08] <mebaran151> I am unsure what an encoder API is useful for except to a developer who knows what he is doing
[09:08] <mebaran151> oh
[09:08] <Razor-X> what filters affect compression, which codecs work with different filters
[09:08] <Razor-X> API in the sense of programming
[09:09] <Razor-X> I was encoding ignorant in the past
[09:09] <bob2> Trace: please stop /msg/ing me
[09:09] <mebaran151> you shouldnt play too much with filters witha good lib like libavcodec
[09:09] <Razor-X> after a few weeks of trudging, I found it
[09:09] <konki> yokomo, don't install it on Z: is that what your trying to say??
[09:09] <mebaran151> it chooses pretty sane defaults
[09:09] <bob2> Trace: I have no idea which one to use, but none of them will be able to disinfect windows on NTFS
[09:09] <mebaran151> so Razor-X what filters do you use
[09:09] <mebaran151> I use denoising for playback after a basic crop in encoding
[09:09] <mebaran151> with trell and v4mv used throughout
[09:10] <WindowsUser> which is more secure:  linux or mac osx?
[09:10] <mebaran151> WindowsUser, uh I'll go with Linux
[09:10] <Razor-X> mebaran151: in AVISynth, I used some whacky Deen, a filter I don't quite remember for Rainbow Nois, UnDot for some general noise, and your basic Luma/Chroma changer for colors
[09:10] <WindowsUser> ok
[09:10] <Razor-X> WindowsUser: the former
[09:10] <desrt> WindowsUser; probably macosx
[09:10] <Razor-X> but, Linux takes more time to learn
[09:10] <bob2> WindowsUser: either, really
[09:10] <desrt> WindowsUser; actually, i take that back
[09:10] <Razor-X> which therein lies the problem
[09:10] <mebaran151> Razor-X, hehe, you are going to have an easy time
[09:10] <bob2> WindowsUser: security is too broad to answer such a detailless question
[09:10] <mebaran151> pp=de automagically figures out everything but color
[09:10] <desrt> WindowsUser; default install of linux vs. default install of macos... linux is more secure
[09:10] <mebaran151> and it works REALLY well
[09:11] <Razor-X> mebaran151: hahah, really?
[09:11] <Razor-X> wow, that feels weird
[09:11] <mebaran151> only a couple hard frames had slight Rainbow Noise, and usually I add back in noise at playback to improve my percieved quality a couple fold
[09:11] <WindowsUser> bob2:  i meant in the way that security is ovrerall these days from within mac osx and linux.  i hear more security issues with mac osx than i did with os 8 or 9
[09:11] <Razor-X> I used to do everything almost manually
[09:11] <mebaran151> yeah, you cant be as good as the codec libavcodec
[09:11] <mebaran151> it is ... written
[09:11] <mebaran151> but you have plenty of filters to choose from
[09:11] <mebaran151> and if you use trell
[09:11] <WindowsUser> and i never hear anything about linux but PC World says that linux has more viruses than Windows which is a lie
[09:11] <bob2> WindowsUser: I'd be surprised if there was much difference
[09:11] <Razor-X> WindowsUser: OS 8 and 9 were jokes created by a failing company
[09:12] <mebaran151> the rips are REALLY hq, even at around 1600 kbps
[09:12] <bob2> WindowsUser: people using linux just don't get viruses
[09:12] <Razor-X> OS X was an attempt to breathe life into said dying company
[09:12] <yokomo> WindowsUser: you will find more and more viruses and security holes discovered as osX becomes more popular
[09:12] <Razor-X> it worked incredibly, though
[09:12] <bob2> WindowsUser: where did PC World did they say it does?
[09:12] <konki> bob2, yokomo, so if i install a program with wine successfully, and it runs, it will run with no other steps required..right??
[09:12] <IceDC571> i thought OS9 was sexy
[09:12] <Razor-X> and now, OS X crept up to Windows and is stealing their market share
[09:12] <WindowsUser> im not exactly which issue but they did...ill find the article
[09:12] <mebaran151> Razor-X, Apple is in the dough
[09:12] <IceDC571> but it confused the hell out of me
[09:12] <yokomo> konki: what do you mean, no other steps required?
[09:12] <bob2> Trace: ok, I'm going to stop talking to you unti lyou stop /msg'ing me, thanks
[09:12] <mebaran151> but Linux is the only enterprise solution now
[09:12] <macintoshr> razor-x, apple was not dying before OS X came out
[09:12] <Razor-X> yokomo: that's true, but, it gets solved faster if the framework is open
[09:12] <david_> will anyone answer a quick apache question?
[09:12] <bob2> konki: depends on the program
[09:12] <macintoshr> they were doing just fine
[09:12] <mebaran151> MacOS X server is a large joke
[09:12] <bob2> david_: just ask...
[09:12] <Razor-X> macintoshr: Macintosh was dying
[09:12] <WindowsUser> k found it
[09:13] <yokomo> Razor-X: not doubting that
[09:13] <mebaran151> a very very very unfunny hard to use joke
[09:13] <WindowsUser> http://www.pcworld.com/howto/article/0,aid,118505,00.asp
[09:13] <bob2> this ask-to-ask thing is silly and soul-crushingly annoying
[09:13] <Razor-X> Apple was floundering because Macintosh was dying
[09:13] <IceDC571> apple came out with the iMacs... the iToiletSeatBooks
[09:13] <mebaran151> Razor-X, still is
[09:13] <Razor-X> exactly, doomed failures
[09:13] <bob2> Razor-X: this seems utterly off-topic, as well as silly
[09:13] <mebaran151> they make the money in the music
[09:13] <IceDC571> in CoLoR
[09:13] <david_> what is the command if i don't wnat case sensitive?  i.e. I want index.html and Index.html to be the same?
[09:13] <WindowsUser> at the bottom the article said
[09:13] <Razor-X> bob2: well, someone else brought it up, I respond
[09:13] <konki> yokomo, like no steps, just like when you click on a prog in windows, it runs automatically... like windows..
[09:13] <bob2> david_: try #apache, if it's possible it won't be simple
[09:13] <mebaran151> david_, I think you need url rewriting
[09:13] <WindowsUser> bob2:  isnt that crazy?   http://www.pcworld.com/howto/article/0,aid,118505,00.asp
[09:13] <konki> click & play yokomo!
[09:14] <mebaran151> what is the best mp3 player by the way
[09:14] <bob2> WindowsUser: that's not at all what the author said
[09:14] <mebaran151> Rhythmbox is only ok
[09:14] <IceDC571> i like muine :)
[09:14] <mebaran151> better than itunes, but still not fabulous
[09:14] <dade`> who is able to get xfonts working in breezy ?
[09:14] <Razor-X> mebaran151: cplay here
[09:14] <Razor-X> it's all CLI though, and excellent at what it does
[09:14] <IceDC571> how is it better than itunes?
[09:14] <mebaran151> cplay is all commandline right?
[09:14] <yokomo> konki: I will be honest, I never got wine to run on my machine
[09:14] <david_> thanks bob2 and mebaran151
[09:14] <yokomo> I found it a complete joke and waste of time
[09:14] <Razor-X> mebaran151: yeah
[09:14] <yokomo> so, I don't know
[09:14] <mebaran151> david_, do you know regexp
[09:14] <evo> hello, where can i get java-package package?
[09:14] <WindowsUser> oops.....well the article states that linux is vulnerable which is not true right?
[09:14] <Razor-X> yokomo: I use WINE to run Ares P2P (for chatting, actually) and Progress Quest
[09:14] <mebaran151> yokomo, it is an amazing project
[09:15] <yokomo> I did find I could play directx9 games on linux with the use of cedega however :)
[09:15] <mebaran151> emulating a foreign api, closed no less
[09:15] <yokomo> mebaran151: and my opinion is a waste of time
[09:15] <Razor-X> WindowsUser: Linux has vulnerabilities, but a consequence of it being open means that problems are remedied faster, in a more clean way
[09:15] <mebaran151> it is on the scale of cygwin, perhaps greater
[09:15] <mebaran151> yokomo, I agree, but it shows what can be done
[09:15] <konki> well, well.. i guess i'm asking the wrong person... sorry to waste our time... wine wiNE WINE anyone???
[09:15] <WindowsUser> ahh.....is it true that if i dont run as root nothing will happen ever
[09:15] <yokomo> oh, I would never tell the developers to stop
[09:15] <Razor-X> konki: #wine
[09:15] <IceDC571> just think of rendering high definition movies on OS8
[09:15] <IceDC571> neat...
[09:15] <yokomo> but right now I think it's just a waste
[09:16] <mebaran151> konki, if wine is the answer, you're asking the wrong question ;P
[09:16] <konki> Razor-X, am there noones around to heLp
[09:16] <Razor-X> konki: then, unfortunately you have to bide your time
[09:16] <Razor-X> #ruby is always deserted
[09:16] <Razor-X> #emacs you're lucky to get help
[09:16] <Razor-X> #nethack-el is dead, pretty much ;)
[09:16] <Razor-X> nice people in the latter though
[09:16] <WindowsUser> why is emacs still so popular if its not very versatile?
[09:16] <Razor-X> WindowsUser: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[09:16] <bob2> emacs is amazingly versatile
[09:17] <IceDC571> i cant believe all this good crap is free!! :)
[09:17] <zyth> NOT versatile?
[09:17] <yokomo> WindowsUser: it's great
[09:17] <yokomo> I prefer emacs to vi
[09:17] <zyth> emacs can be an irc client
[09:17] <Razor-X> not versatile?
[09:17] <WindowsUser> how?
[09:17] <zyth> lol
[09:17] <bob2> emacs predates IRC
[09:17] <Razor-X> that's like saying rubber isn't stretchable
[09:17] <WindowsUser> vi is nearly impossible for me to operate
[09:17] <bob2> and has an active mailing list
[09:17] <konki> well thanks anyways... it was nice... gotta dig up some .docs doc... CAIO...
[09:17] <IceDC571> i never wanted to touch emacs
[09:17] <zyth> I think emacs is actually an OS, it's just pretending not to be ;)
[09:17] <yokomo> later konki, good luck
[09:17] <bob2> vi is also highly flexible, but not very suitable for people coming from windows
[09:17] <zyth> nano is where it's at :P
[09:17] <Razor-X> vi is good in its own way
[09:18] <Razor-X> I definitely reccomend either vi or emacs
[09:18] <IceDC571> vim owns me
[09:18] <zyth> esc : wq!
[09:18] <WindowsUser> over gedit?
[09:18] <Razor-X> you _will_ find haven in one, I guarantee you ;)
[09:18] <WindowsUser> gedit has tabs!
[09:18] <konki> Razor-X, what do you use then??? i know you were once a windows user...
[09:18] <Razor-X> WindowsUser: of course!
[09:18] <Razor-X> emacs has buffers
[09:18] <WindowsUser> tabs rule!
[09:18] <konki> thanks yokomo...
[09:18] <hyphenated> zyth: it can't be an OS, it doesn't have a decent editor ;-)
[09:18] <WindowsUser> ooooh...
[09:18] <zyth> hyphenated, rotfl
[09:18] <Razor-X> GNU Screen takes care of vi instances
[09:18] <hyphenated> them's fighting words, I better hide
[09:18] <Razor-X> emacs buffers are crazy
[09:18] <bob2> gedit is terrible for programming
[09:18] <konki> arigato gozaimasu
[09:18] <IceDC571> i think dillo should be renamed to dildo just to make it less confusing
[09:18] <Razor-X> I can have 11 of them stacked in one screenfull
[09:18] <WindowsUser> yes i noticed lol dildo thats hilarious
[09:18] <Razor-X> IceDC571: dillo pwnz0rz
[09:19] <zyth> bob2, in all seriousness, the ONLY good IDE I've ever used was TurboPascal/Turbo C's DOS one.
[09:19] <bob2> come on folks
[09:19] <IceDC571> Razor-X: i want to see a GTK2 dillo, to see how fast it would be
[09:19] <bob2> zyth: that was quite a nice one
[09:19] <Razor-X> IceDC571: I wouldn't mind
[09:19] <bob2> zyth: before I found emacs, anyway ;p
[09:19] <zyth> firefox 1.0.6... ubuntu has caught up with modern times
[09:19] <zyth> eerie.
[09:19] <bob2> bah
[09:20] <zyth> bob2, eh, I use vi or nano.  Never learned much beyond how to open, edit, and save a file in emacs
[09:20] <Tomcat_> Oh come on... Ubuntu's Firefox was always patched up to the latest level. For security. :)
[09:20] <IceDC571> and suddendly dillo complies with all the W3C standards two days later
[09:20] <bob2> yeah, same for me and vi
[09:20] <zyth> Tomcat_, yes, but it caused havoc with extentions expecting version x
[09:20] <Kpjas> Hi I've got a DVD to watch and no luck. What do I do wrong ?
[09:20] <Razor-X> zyth: emacs can do a lot, if you want to learn
[09:20] <Razor-X> I love the CLI, so emacs is perfect for me
[09:20] <bob2> Kpjas: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:20] <Razor-X> an efficient environment where I do everything in
[09:20] <zyth> Razor-X, oh, no doubt!
[09:20] <Tomcat_> zyth: Yeah, but that's kinda the downside when you use something Debian-based... you're stuck with one version for the next sixth months. :o
[09:20] <hyphenated> I work on unix server boxes all day, so without knowing how to use vi, I'd have a real tough time breaking them
[09:20] <Razor-X> of course, that may not be for you
[09:21] <Razor-X> hyphenated: ... or you can bring along a 200 kb .tar.gz of QEmacs
[09:21] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:21] <zyth> Razor-X, I'd be using DOS still, if it were multitasking ;)
[09:21] <^rob^> Razor-X: do that pastebin please!
[09:21] <Razor-X> ^rob^: I multitask ;)
[09:21] <WindowsUser> i mean, as far as i was concerned, emacs was as good as elinks....elinks is just terrible!
[09:21] <Razor-X> the sysadmin excuse stopped working back when we got dial-up ;)
[09:22] <zyth> eh... textmode and web don't go well together.
[09:22] <hyphenated> Razor-X: they're very carefully controlled boxes. I can't even put some GNU shell tools on there
[09:22] <^rob^> Razor-X: using preemptive multitasking - you forgot about putting me too in the kernel!
[09:22] <Razor-X> hyphenated: wow, I would not work then there
[09:22] <Razor-X> look, anything that forces me to use QWERTY keys is useless
[09:22] <luckyaba> netdbsd help anyone?
[09:22] <zyth> luckyaba, #netbsd
[09:22] <Razor-X> ^rob^: hah, i'm not about to recompile
[09:22] <hyphenated> I log in from my laptop, so if I wanted a non-qwerty layout, it'd be there
[09:23] <Razor-X> but, vi uses keys jkl;
[09:23] <hyphenated> but I quite often copy log files and so on onto the laptop so I can use some real shell tools to extract stuff out of them
[09:23] <Razor-X> which are stupid, they make no sens
[09:23] <drummer87> mwahaha... another installation of Windows.. DELETED..
[09:23] <WindowsUser> why is elinks in existence?
[09:23] <WindowsUser> it makes no sense to me
[09:23] <hyphenated> they make perfect sense, if it's 1975 and your keyboard doesn't have arrow keys
[09:23] <bob2> WindowsUser: because someone decided to write it
[09:23] <Razor-X> WindowsUser: anything wrong with it?
[09:23] <zyth> WindowsUser, same reason as ASCII DOOM.
[09:23] <Razor-X> dabaR: it's not hype, it works
[09:23] <Razor-X> for most people, anyways
[09:24] <bob2> WindowsUser: all software only exists because someone decided they'd like it to exist
[09:24] <evo> hey is the "multiverse" an acutal repository? (ifso where?)
[09:24] <Razor-X> WindowsUser: I honestly believe that the CLI is more effecient than the GUI
[09:24] <dabaR> evo, yes it is.
[09:24] <bob2> evo: yes, right next to universe and main
[09:24] <Burgundavia> evo, yes and see wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:24] <zyth> Razor-X, except for WWW pages.
[09:24] <WindowsUser> ASCII DOOM is cool, but i feel that elinks is just ... i dunno. its cool but im confused.
[09:24] <Razor-X> I just interact better with words and numbers than I do with pictures, and thus I find this better
[09:24] <Razor-X> zyth: glinks baby, glinks
[09:24] <zyth> Razor-X, ASCII porn != efficient
[09:24] <drummer87> that makes 3 ubuntu boxes to one xp box in this house
[09:24] <Kpjas> bob2: :( thanks anyway
[09:24] <drummer87> power in numbers
[09:24] <^rob^> Hey Razor-X if you want to help me - paste that - if not - say you don't want to loose time with me and that's fine!
[09:24] <zyth> Razor-X, eh, I prefer Arachne, but I use it on my old DOS boxes as well as CLI Linux
[09:24] <Razor-X> zyth: I don't watch pr0n ;)
[09:24] <bob2> Kpjas: eh?
[09:24] <dabaR> WindowsUser: text only programs exist so that people who are blind can use sceren reading programs to read to them.
[09:24] <Razor-X> ^rob^: paste what?
[09:25] <Razor-X> I said I needed your output
[09:25] <bob2> WindowsUser: why does people writing software for fun confuse you?
[09:25] <zyth> Razor-X, uh huh ;)
[09:25] <Razor-X> do you want me to search for you?? *sigh*
[09:25] <Kpjas> bob2: about Ubuntu failing to play DVD
[09:25] <bob2> Kpjas: you read that page?
[09:25] <zyth> time for some WoW
[09:25] <velocity760> hello
[09:25] <velocity760> im having a problem
[09:26] <WindowsUser> that principle doesnt confuse me...i was just wondering out of curiosity what the ideas were behind elinks....not meant as offense, bob2
[09:26] <dabaR> AAAH...I had to close the window.
[09:26] <dabaR> TOo much change, I cant take it...
[09:26] <Kpjas> bob2: "there is no legal way to play DVD's on Linux "
[09:26] <zyth> UGGGH
[09:26] <zyth> #@$@# WoW opens IE
[09:26] <velocity760> does anybody know what gaim and x-fire are pm if you know
[09:26] <zyth> Kpjas, where do you live?
[09:26] <Razor-X> WindowsUser: it's for users that like the CLI
[09:26] <Kpjas> zyth: PL
[09:26] <bob2> WindowsUser: some people don't have X.  or need to browse things over ssh, etc.
[09:26] <dabaR> YOu cant change the layout of your keyboard and stay sane, can you?
[09:26] <zyth> I can legally play DVDs in Linux in Canada..
[09:26] <Razor-X> WindowsUser: don't think that CLI is extinct
[09:26] <zyth> Kpjas, that crap applies to the US
[09:26] <bob2> Kpjas: indeed, so you need libdvdcss
[09:27] <WindowsUser> i dont know what CLI is, lol i cannot believe its extinct
[09:27] <bob2> Burgundavia: er, where is the page on the wiki explaining how to setup libdvdcss?
[09:27] <zyth> libdvdcss is only illegal in some backwards countries with DMCA laws...
[09:27] <Burgundavia> bob2, RestrictedFormats
[09:27] <velocity760> i dont know how to install a x-fire plugin to my gaim
[09:27] <velocity760> on linux
[09:27] <Kpjas> bob2: is is available thru Synaptic ?
[09:27] <dabaR> Kpjas: it is in backports.
[09:27] <Burgundavia> Kpjas, yes, if you follow restrictedformats
[09:27] <Razor-X> WindowsUser: Command Line Interface
[09:27] <mebaran151> zyth, like the US of A right?
[09:27] <zyth> WindowsUser, start, run, CMD ;)
[09:28] <WindowsUser> oh yes
[09:28] <WindowsUser> lol
[09:28] <zyth> mebaran151, yep, and from what I hear now, .au
[09:28] <bob2> Kpjas: you need to read that page more carefully
[09:28] <dabaR> Razor-X: why is the whole keyboard weird??:(
[09:28] <WindowsUser> now i understand lol
[09:28] <Razor-X> zyth: don't even kid about that dangerous thing
[09:28] <mebaran151> but I dont think I've seen a case rule on it ... ever
[09:28] <WindowsUser> cmd < unix
[09:28] <Burgundavia> dabaR, techincally, hoary-extras
[09:28] <mebaran151> it is almost unprosecutable
[09:28] <Razor-X> dabaR: you mean vowels being on the left hand is weird
[09:28] <zyth> Razor-X, it's an absurd law.
[09:28] <dabaR> everything is different:(
[09:28] <Razor-X> or is the fact that the words QWERTY bring a certian joy to your eyes? ;)
[09:28] <dade`> how to downgrade from breezy to hoary ??
[09:28] <Razor-X> it's more effecient, actually
[09:28] <bob2> dade`: you can't, really
[09:28] <dabaR> haha, nice dade` :)
[09:28] <dade`> WHY
[09:28] <bob2> dade`: but bear in mind upgrading to hoary in the first place was advised against
[09:29] <dabaR> just pin the packages.
[09:29] <velocity760> can someone help me under stand the compiling part of linux better
[09:29] <bob2> dade`: you're welcome to implement support for downgrading in dpkg, and fix every one of the 16 000 packages in ubuntu to handle it
[09:29] <mebaran151> dade`, uh because certain key components are too recent
[09:29] <bob2> velocity760: do you know what a compiler does?
[09:29] <mebaran151> apt works by looking for numbers GREATER than it
[09:29] <velocity760> kind of
[09:29] <dade`> mm
[09:29] <velocity760> dont know how to you use it
[09:29] <dabaR> dade`: do you use separate partitions for programs and data?
[09:29] <mebaran151> velocity760,
[09:29] <velocity760> yes
[09:30] <mebaran151> simple as possible
[09:30] <mebaran151> make
[09:30] <Razor-X> velocity760: a compiler takes source code and makes it into a program you can run
[09:30] <bob2> velocity760: "gcc foo.c" compiles foo to an executable
[09:30] <mebaran151> sorry
[09:30] <velocity760> im brand new to linux
[09:30] <mebaran151> ./configure
[09:30] <mebaran151> make
[09:30] <mebaran151> make install
[09:30] <Razor-X> velocity760: compilation is on Windows as well ;)
[09:30] <velocity760> oh
[09:30] <velocity760> k
[09:30] <mebaran151> that will compile any program for you
[09:30] <Razor-X> ./configure
[09:30] <bob2> velocity760: or do you mean "compiling software other peope wrote"?
[09:30] <mebaran151> that you will probably come across
[09:30] <konki> whats the command for delete or send to trash on the commandline/TERMINAL??
[09:30] <Razor-X> make & make install
[09:30] <Razor-X> generally
[09:30] <Razor-X> but, there are seperate cases
[09:30] <velocity760> i installed a compiler
[09:30] <Razor-X> konki: rm
[09:30] <bob2> konki: rm
[09:30] <mebaran151> konki, rm
[09:30] <dabaR> rm
[09:30] <mebaran151> haha
[09:30] <velocity760> about 10 mins ago
[09:30] <konki> thanks alot
[09:30] <Razor-X> be careful with that command though
[09:30] <velocity760> im tring to make it work
[09:30] <hyphenated> might want another & in there, if you want it to work ;-)
[09:30] <mebaran151> we all respond in unison
[09:30] <bob2> velocity760: you need to install build-essential if you want to compile software, tho
[09:30] <Razor-X> it can be dangerous, especially if you use the ``-f'' flag
[09:30] <mebaran151> Razor-X, really rm -rf / is FUN
[09:31] <bob2> velocity760: what are yo u trying to compile?
[09:31] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I call it the ``N00b Virus''
[09:31] <velocity760> k
[09:31] <bob2> we don't joke about "rm -rf/" here
[09:31] <mebaran151> what does the f flag do anyway?
[09:31] <mebaran151> I just stay away from it
[09:31] <Kpjas> bob2: OK be back later with update on DVD front
[09:31] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I use it a lot
[09:31] <dabaR> force
[09:31] <mebaran151> oh
[09:31] <bob2> mebaran151: force
[09:31] <Razor-X> it forces delete, and doesen't prompt you
[09:31] <mebaran151> Razor-X, what are you forcing?
[09:31] <dabaR> never rm -rf /
[09:31] <mebaran151> i just go into root
[09:31] <bob2> ie ignore the fact it's readonly and problably shouldn't be deleted
[09:31] <mebaran151> and do it that way
[09:31] <Razor-X> haha
[09:32] <velocity760> k
[09:32] <mebaran151> sudo rm -rf /
[09:32] <velocity760> i have the compiler prgram
[09:32] <Razor-X> some guy wanted my dpkg -l
[09:32] <bob2> velocity760: what are you trying to compile?
[09:32] <dade`> gnome does breezy has too many problem with gnome too -.-
[09:32] <mebaran151> Razor-X, yep, that shows you are popular
[09:32] <Razor-X> I said ``No, you give me yours on pastebin, i'll diff mine, and paste that''
[09:32] <poningru> !wifi
[09:32] <ubotu> rumour has it, wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[09:32] <Razor-X> then he said ``You're so lame'' and left
[09:32] <Razor-X> he must think i'm a n00b, with all this weird ``diff'' crap XD
[09:32] <mebaran151> Razor-X, what super special packages do you have
[09:32] <velocity760> im tring to compile a x-fire plugin for gaim
[09:33] <Razor-X> mebaran151: nothing, he's missing a KDE lib, if i'm not mistaken
[09:33] <dade`>   gnome-desktop-environment: Depends: gnome-backgrounds (>= 2.10.1) but 2.10.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[09:33] <bob2> velocity760: you'll need to find instructions for it
[09:33] <joolz> velocity760: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiler
[09:33] <dade`> fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
[09:33] <velocity760> i have them
[09:33] <bob2> velocity760: and install gaim-dev
[09:33] <mebaran151> Razor-X, kubuntu-desktop is good for that
[09:33] <velocity760> i just dont uderstand very well
[09:33] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I installed Kubuntu from the onset
[09:33] <dabaR> Razor-X: are you still 15?
[09:33] <bob2> dade`: downgrades often don't work
[09:33] <Razor-X> dabaR: yes
[09:33] <mebaran151> Razor-X, I hate KDE
[09:33] <mebaran151> so so bloated
[09:33] <mebaran151> XFCE all the way
[09:33] <Razor-X> mebaran151: ya see, therein lies the thing
[09:33] <mebaran151> or E17 once it makes to the repos
[09:33] <Razor-X> I use KDE because it's a good background
[09:34] <Razor-X> but I don't actually use much of KDE
[09:34] <mebaran151> I am in Gnome now just because I like its simplicity
[09:34] <dabaR> I am using openbox for the last feww days. WEorks. I am such a minimal user.
[09:34] <Razor-X> what I use of it, I love, though
[09:34] <TehRulest> kde is resource heavy
[09:34] <konki> can rm remove a directory/FOLDER, if not, whats the command for it, on the TERMINAL??
[09:34] <Razor-X> TehRulest: if you _use_ the GUI
[09:34] <dabaR> I am teh sux!
[09:34] <dade`> how can i use gnome.
[09:34] <mebaran151> Razor-X, Konqueror is genius, and KIOslaves are amzing
[09:34] <joevandyk> did the firefox packages get fixed?
[09:34] <mebaran151> compared to the gnome counterparts that jsut dont work
[09:34] <Razor-X> I only use KDE's PDF viewer, DVI viewer, and Konqueror, and Opera
[09:34] <dabaR>  /topic
[09:34] <joevandyk> i thought 1.0.6 were broken
[09:34] <dabaR> joevandyk: .
[09:34] <Razor-X> those are the only GUI apps I use
[09:34] <TehRulest> isnt safari based on konqueror?  apple = theif
[09:34] <Burgundavia> joevandyk, yes
[09:34] <mebaran151> Razor-X, you PAID for your browser?!
[09:34] <Razor-X> TehRulest: it is
[09:34] <mebaran151> gasp!
[09:34] <Razor-X> based on KHTML
[09:34] <Razor-X> mebaran151: free version
[09:34] <Burgundavia> TehRulest, no actually, not  thief
[09:35] <bob2> dade`: if you're on breezy, reinstalling might be the easiest solution
[09:35] <joevandyk> Burgundavia, thanks!
[09:35] <TehRulest> ahh i see.
[09:35] <Razor-X> Burgundavia: very good license exploiters ;)
[09:35] <mebaran151> Burgundavia, halfway true; they used KHTML
[09:35] <TehRulest> i dont see based on konqueror anywhere in the safari credits
[09:35] <Burgundavia> TehRulest, they are working quite closely with the ktml develoeprs
[09:35] <joevandyk> I have an athlon 64 cpu.  Are there any programs that monitor the fans and temperature?
[09:35] <bob2> TehRulest: no, they didn't steal anything.  they made use of the KHTML code in accordance with the license, and gave back some useful fixes.
[09:35] <Burgundavia> Razor-X, mebaran151 the khtml people and the apple people have made nice and apple is paying nice again
[09:35] <Razor-X> bob2: they gave very little back
[09:35] <Razor-X> Burgundavia: oh, really?
[09:35] <mebaran151> joevandyk, tell me if you find anything
[09:35] <velocity760> i have gaim dev
[09:35] <Razor-X> then, more power to Apple!
[09:35] <mebaran151> I would like to monitor heat on my AMD64
[09:35] <Burgundavia> Razor-X, they have opened up a public bug tracking and open sourced all of webcore
[09:35] <Razor-X> improve that KHTML, and i'll bow to ya
[09:36] <Razor-X> that's great
[09:36] <mebaran151> Razor-X, write your own in Ruby
[09:36] <mebaran151> and then you will be better than most persons
[09:36] <TehRulest> i see.
[09:36] <Razor-X> mebaran151: hah
[09:36] <TehRulest> that makes more sense.
[09:36] <Razor-X> I should, shouldn't I?
[09:36] <Razor-X> nice challenge, that is
[09:36] <mebaran151> Razor-X, it isnt SO hard
[09:36] <Razor-X> mebaran151: networking is pretty hard
[09:36] <mebaran151> they implemented X in something like 2000 lines
[09:36] <mebaran151> with a lot of metaprogramming
[09:36] <mebaran151> and X is rather very very hard
[09:37] <bob2> er, X in 2000 LOC sounds like a lie
[09:37] <Razor-X> you see, Microsoft needs to be more like Apple
[09:37] <mebaran151> X written in a scripted language though sounds like a very bad idea
[09:37] <velocity760> after i get gaim-dev what do i do
[09:37] <Razor-X> Apple likes the OSS community
[09:37] <bob2> if only because you need a bajillion drivers
[09:37] <mebaran151> Razor-X, eh
[09:37] <Razor-X> Microfsoft hates it
[09:37] <dabaR> OSS?
[09:37] <mebaran151> I wish they'd open up iTunes more
[09:37] <bob2> velocity760: read the instructions
[09:37] <Razor-X> Open Source Software
[09:37] <dabaR> expand please.
[09:37] <dabaR> ok
[09:37] <joevandyk> mebaran151, I see lm-sensors
[09:37] <mebaran151> buying music for 1 dollar has an attraction to me
[09:37] <velocity760> k
[09:37] <bob2> dabaR: some people refer to Free Software as "Open Source Software"
[09:37] <mebaran151> joevandyk, tried it
[09:37] <mebaran151> it didnt work
[09:37] <Razor-X> bob2: I tend to find it's easier
[09:38] <dabaR> I use OS community, not oss, I guess I should change taht:)
[09:38] <bob2> velocity760: keep it in the channel
[09:38] <joevandyk> mebaran151, and xsensors
[09:38] <joevandyk> do they work?
[09:39] <mebaran151> joevandyk, nope
[09:39] <dabaR> ok, night folks.
[09:39] <Razor-X> dabaR: OS == Operating System ;)
[09:39] <dabaR> ya
[09:39] <mebaran151> looks like they need a kernel module
[09:39] <mebaran151> which I dont want to build
[09:39] <joevandyk> mebaran151, why not?
[09:39] <Razor-X> yeah, I wanna wake up tomorrow nice and early to see the shuttle liftoff
[09:39] <mebaran151> eh, I dont feel like compiling a new kernel
[09:39] <joevandyk> mebaran151, what happens?
[09:39] <mebaran151> until I get 2.6.12
[09:39] <bob2> you don't need a new kernel
[09:39] <mebaran151> joevandyk, fatal error: kernel module not found
[09:39] <mebaran151> bob2, if I am going to make my own modules
[09:40] <mebaran151> I will trim the default kernel down to size
[09:40] <mebaran151> it feels a little big right now
[09:40] <light_punch2> Razor-X, you mean on TV or you live by the area to see the launch?
[09:40] <Madpilot> Razor-X: is the poor thing actually going to launch tomorrow?
[09:41] <mebaran151> Razor-X, did you know there is a codec specially written for Inuyasha
[09:41] <mebaran151> haha
[09:41] <punkrockmcduck> g'mornin
[09:41] <dabaR> Madpilot: hey, I found out something.
[09:42] <TehRulest> are there any operating systems out there completely built from scratch that arent linux unix or anythin similar?
[09:42] <joevandyk> mebaran151, xmbmon is working for me.  xsensors isn't.
[09:42] <light_punch2> TehRulest, windoze
[09:42] <dabaR> Madpilot: you want your files in your web server folder to have your user as the owner.
[09:42] <light_punch2> hahaha
[09:42] <dabaR> TehRulest: hurd
[09:43] <dabaR> and then allow others to read the files.
[09:43] <Razor-X> dabaR: hurd is similar
[09:43] <Razor-X> it is GNU after all
[09:43] <joevandyk> how do i give a program suid root?  chmod +s prog?
[09:43] <TehRulest> wow
[09:43] <dabaR> well, I didnt read to the end.
[09:43] <Razor-X> TehRulest: there's BeOS
[09:43] <Razor-X> Novell
[09:43] <Razor-X> OS/2
[09:43] <dabaR> there is OS/2
[09:43] <TehRulest> os/2 is dead
[09:43] <dabaR> google operating system
[09:44] <Imsdle> im trying to follow the instructions to setup firebird but its not working
[09:44] <Imsdle> how do you gsec
[09:44] <dabaR> joevandyk: what is suid?
[09:44] <punkrockmcduck> what exactly is BeOS, anyway?
[09:44] <punkrockmcduck> i alwasy sorta wondered
[09:44] <mebaran151> joevandyk, where did you get it
[09:44] <mebaran151> xmbmon
[09:44] <joevandyk> dabaR, setuid root (I think) means that a program can do root stuff
[09:44] <joevandyk> mebaran151, synaptic
[09:45] <mebaran151> ah is it good?
[09:45] <mebaran151> or does it just read from bios?
[09:45] <joevandyk> mebaran151, it gives me the temperature of stuff
[09:45] <joevandyk> mebaran151, all that i wanted
[09:45] <mebaran151> nice
[09:45] <Madpilot> dabaR: yeah, found that out. "sudo cp" works
[09:45] <mebaran151> I need to set it root though
[09:45] <mebaran151> arged
[09:45] <mebaran151> it require seteuid
[09:46] <mebaran151> is 48 degrees ok for an A64
[09:46] <Tom-> Hi, i have a 17 inch monitor and ubuntu set to 1280x1024 and i can still see gaps at the side of the screen
[09:46] <dabaR> Madpilot: ok, good, I was just worried I told you something wrong...
[09:47] <thespiritoftal> is there any tcpview-like programme in ubuntu with which I can look at my open ports ie open and close them?
[09:47] <Madpilot> dabaR: but I'm trying to figure out if there's any hazard in using "chown me:me" on var/www
[09:47] <enyc> tom- then you need to asust the settings on your display?
[09:47] <Madpilot> dabaR: given that this *isn't* a live webserver, and it's tucked behind both Firestarter and a hardware router...
[09:47] <Burgundavia> thespiritoftal, there are no open ports in Ubuntu by default
[09:47] <drummer87> mebaran151, mine (A64 3000) idles at about 20-25 (21 C at the moment)
[09:47] <mebaran151> hmm
[09:47] <Tom-> enyc, i did that but it didnt help
[09:47] <joevandyk> what's a cpu intensive command i can type in that does nothing?
[09:48] <dabaR> bob2: do you know if it is ok to chown /var/www?
[09:48] <mebaran151> mine is right now at full load
[09:48] <joevandyk> i want to see the temp rise
[09:48] <mebaran151> joevandyk, find a dvd
[09:48] <enyc> tim- hrrm what sort of monitor?
[09:48] <drummer87> don't often see it much above 30 or so
[09:48] <bob2> dabaR: why would you do that?
[09:48] <mebaran151> and mencode something
[09:48] <joevandyk> mebaran151, that's not that hot
[09:48] <dabaR> Madpilot: well, given those facts.....it seems trivial what you do.
[09:48] <bina> how come every time i do apt-get upgrade it keeps firefox back?
[09:48] <dabaR> bob2: Madpilot is lazy.
[09:48] <Burgundavia> thespiritoftal, but you can port scan yourself
[09:48] <bob2> dabaR: to his/her own user? that's ok
[09:48] <dabaR> Madpilot: there.
[09:48] <Kpjas> bob2: DVD playback problem I've got libdvdcss2 but totem dies on startup with "resource busy or not available"
[09:48] <Tom-> enyc, 17 inch crt
[09:48] <drummer87> i think mine gets to about 33 maybe after playing zsnes for an hour or so (65% cpu)
[09:48] <gustav_> bina: try apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:49] <enyc> tom-: heh thats what i've got [here] 
[09:49] <mebaran151> actually it says temperature is 201?
[09:49] <Burgundavia> Kpjas, you need totem-xine
[09:49] <mebaran151> this isnt making much sense
[09:49] <enyc> tom-: though im gettin a 19inch-unit thats spare ;p and i use a sony / silicongraphics 21inch unit at other_place...  though I dont have black-bar problems
[09:49] <bina> gustav_ umkay, thanks
[09:49] <enyc> tom-: what make of monitor?
[09:49] <Madpilot> dabaR, bob2: I'll give that a shot tomorrow. Nautilus is easier than CLI 'sudo cp' all the time...
[09:49] <Tom-> enyc, 1280x1024 is the max a 17 inch can do so there should be no gaps
[09:49] <Tom-> enyc, AOC
[09:50] <dabaR> Madpilot: sure.
[09:50] <enyc> ?Hrmm not familiar with AOC's
[09:50] <drummer87> the A64 can stand up to 70 C before its circuits melt.. which model do u have?
[09:50] <enyc> tim- and you try to "move display to the left" using the posision adjustment on the monitor?
[09:50] <bob2> Kpjas: I wouldn't bother with totem
[09:50] <Tom-> yes
[09:50] <mebaran151> joevandyk, what do you get for Temp 0
[09:50] <mebaran151> I think it is reading it as bus speed
[09:50] <enyc> tom- and it just 'hits' a point where it wont go further left?
[09:50] <IIIEars> bob2 - You are still here helping new users? - Wow! nice. :)
[09:50] <mebaran151> because it never moves from 201 degress
[09:50] <dabaR> is dri built into ubuntu and xorg I guess?
[09:51] <mebaran151> the other temperature is 50 core and 25 internal
[09:51] <Tom-> enyc, there is gaps at both sides
[09:51] <joevandyk> mebaran151, I don't have a "temp 0"
[09:51] <Kpjas> bob2: what do you recommend then ?
[09:51] <dabaR> IIIEars: also old users
[09:51] <mebaran151> hmm
[09:51] <mebaran151> oh
[09:51] <enyc> tom- sounds like you need to adjust the width on the monitor ;-)
[09:51] <mebaran151> joevandyk, dll mbmon for me
[09:51] <dabaR> IIIEars: also he is always on #debian for the last probably some years, helping ppl there.
[09:51] <mebaran151> by the way what chipset do you have?
[09:51] <bob2> IIIEars: and managed to not get any work done today
[09:51] <dabaR> !pal bob2
[09:51] <ubotu> I don't know, dabaR
[09:51] <bob2> Kpjas: mplayer or xine
[09:52] <IIIEars> "Windows users" "Linux community" - :)
[09:52] <mebaran151> bob2, heheh, opening the front to greater salvation
[09:52] <poningru> no its more like
[09:52] <anacron> amm, how can i enable ftp accounts for users, and not just for anonymous?
[09:52] <Tom-> enyc, ok ill do tha, also 1 other thing how can i get into my windows partition from linux
[09:52] <dabaR> anacron: is it like that now?
[09:52] <enyc> tom- err it may need to be mounted.. there are some howtos etc.
[09:52] <poningru> mac community linux zealots and windows sufferers
[09:53] <Imsdle> doesn't anyone know how to invoke gsec in ubuntu
[09:53] <Madpilot> !mount
[09:53] <mebaran151> ext3 seems less cpu instensive then reiserfs
[09:53] <ubotu> it has been said that mount is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[09:53] <anacron> dabaR: yes?
[09:53] <mebaran151> hmmm.....
[09:53] <enyc> tom- if you have a FAT12/FAT16/FAT32 dos/windoze partition, you can read/write it from linux,  if you have an NTFS partition, you can read[only]  it from linux, basically
[09:53] <Madpilot> Tom-: see the URL that ubotu just posted
[09:53] <dabaR> poningru: :/
[09:53] <Tom-> gah
[09:53] <dabaR> anacron: well, can you only sign in as anonymous? are you sure? what ftp server are you using.
[09:53] <Kpjas> bob2: thanks xine works for me now hoever a bit jerky
[09:54] <poningru> hehe
[09:54] <bob2> Kpjas: try the dma section of that web page
[09:54] <mebaran151> does xine read mpeg4
[09:54] <dabaR> bob2: what about dri?
[09:54] <TehRulest> how can i set my movies to Repeat in GXINE?
[09:54] <mebaran151> or is their anyway to make it read mpeg4
[09:54] <bob2> mebaran151: it can use windows dlls
[09:54] <mebaran151> bob2, not on AMD64
[09:54] <Kpjas> must be off thanks ppl
[09:55] <mebaran151> but these are libavcodec made
[09:55] <Imsdle> damn lost my connection
[09:55] <mebaran151> it cant use an open library
[09:55] <anacron> dabaR: yes, it says that anonymous usage only, and the problem is that i don't remember what ftp software i am using :D, is there some way i can check that out?
[09:55] <bob2> dabaR: DRI doesn't help with video, aiui
[09:55] <TehRulest> how do i repeay my movies in gxine?
[09:55] <bob2> mebaran151: surely ffmpeg does that
[09:55] <Imsdle> does anyone know how to start gsec
[09:55] <TehRulest> repeat*
[09:55] <mebaran151> bob2, yeah ffmpeg will work
[09:55] <mebaran151> does integrate into XINE?
[09:55] <bina> Im also always getting a message saying 'Warning these packages cannot be authenticated' too.  Any way I cn stop that?
[09:56] <bob2> looks like it dlopens() things
[09:56] <joevandyk> does libcss (dvd reading) exist for 64 bit linux?
[09:56] <mebaran151> joevandyk, it does
[09:56] <joevandyk> i can't find it in synaptic
[09:56] <bob2> yeah
[09:56] <elwood> how long the takes to be shipped?
[09:56] <bob2> it's not in ubuntu
[09:56] <mebaran151> the best one is included in mplayer
[09:56] <bob2> elwood: the cds? a few weeks.
[09:56] <mebaran151> compiled from src
[09:57] <elwood> thanks
[09:57] <dabaR> dri what does it help?
[09:57] <joevandyk> any flags I need to give mplayer to build?
[09:57] <ajmitch> evening all
[09:57] <dabaR> sudo aptitude search proftpd and see if there is a i beside it, anacron
[09:57] <IIIEars> bob2 - I found a nice script to recognize and mount all available ntfs/mac partitions. - Would you be willing to take a peek at it before i recommend it?
[09:57] <bob2> dabaR: games and gl stuff, I think
[09:57] <bob2> IIIEars: I replied to you...
[09:57] <bob2> hey ajmitch
[09:57] <mebaran151> joevandyk, I have some favorites
[09:58] <IIIEars> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/320887
[09:58] <mebaran151> --enable-largefiles
[09:58] <anacron> dabaR: it's vsftpd, any knowledge of that?
[09:58] <dabaR> well, bob2 why is my xine in debian choppy for videos on my disk, that are not choppy in totem?
[09:58] <dabaR> yes, you cant login with ftp.
[09:58] <mebaran151> --disable-runtime-cpudetection
[09:58] <dabaR> only with sftp
[09:59] <bob2> dabaR: don't know
[09:59] <mebaran151> make sure to dll a lot of the cool library devel versions
[09:59] <Imsdle> does anyone know how to start a firebird database?
[09:59] <IIIEars> I'll be darn - yep it likely is his the .nl is the same Seveas is Dennis?
[09:59] <bob2> Imsdle: it will start at boot automatically
[10:00] <Imsdle> it didn't....
[10:00] <bob2> why are you using firebid instead of postgres, btw?
[10:01] <vladuz976> if i install KDE on ubuntu, then it's the same as kubuntu, right?
[10:01] <mebaran151> bob2, is firebird anygood
[10:01] <bob2> kubuntu-desktop, yes
[10:01] <vladuz976> bob2: but the distro, isn't that the only difference
[10:02] <bob2> it sounds fine, but I don't know that there's any advantage over postgres for a general RDBMS
[10:02] <joevandyk> mebaran151, I get a warning from mplayer saying that Win32 codec DLLs aren't supported on my CPU
[10:02] <mebaran151> joevandyk, they arent
[10:02] <mebaran151> Win32 is not Win64
[10:02] <mebaran151> the pointers wont work right
[10:02] <joevandyk> stupid pointers
[10:02] <mebaran151> no app can make a 32 bit DLL run correctly with 64 bits
[10:02] <mebaran151> you would have to play chroot magic
[10:02] <mebaran151> and it isnt worth it
[10:02] <anacron> dabaR: i removed vsftpd and installed proftpd, and now it won't work at all
[10:03] <Therx> what's the best filesystem to use for a documents partition which is accessed by ubuntu and windows (needs to be read/write in both oses)
[10:03] <dabaR> anacron: ha
[10:03] <bob2> Therx: fat32
[10:03] <dabaR> sure you have it installed?
[10:03] <anacron> dabaR: yes
[10:04] <anacron> dabaR: when i type ps -A it shows proftpd there
[10:04] <dabaR> ftp localhost
[10:04] <bob2> f/win46
[10:05] <IIIEars> Therx - The only drawback to fat32 is a small one because it isn't a "journaling" filesystem ACTIVE  linux applications can't be installed to it.
[10:05] <anacron> dabaR: Connected to localhost.localdomain.
[10:05] <dabaR> well, it works, then.
[10:05] <dabaR> doesnt it?
[10:05] <IIIEars> perfect for storage. :)
[10:05] <anacron> well no
[10:05] <Therx> ok
[10:06] <anacron> dabaR: i cant access there here at work, so it's not working
[10:06] <Therx> i'd use ext3 or something but there aren't any stable drivers for windows xp sp2. What about reiserfs
[10:06] <bob2> use fat32
[10:06] <dabaR> ok, so you are at work?
[10:07] <Therx> yeh
[10:07] <IIIEars> Therx - Was curious about ext2fs system driver for windows. - Doesn't work very well?
[10:07] <anacron> dabaR: ah, now i think i can get it work, dpkg-reconfigure did the thing :) thanks for "help"
[10:07] <joevandyk> mebaran151, with one of my case fans turned off, and at 100% load, my cpu temp is about 49 degrees.
[10:07] <IIIEars> Fat32 is great. - copyrights really make life difficult.
[10:08] <joevandyk> Temp.= 17.0, 49.5, 46.5; Rot.= 5232, 3515, 1406
[10:08] <joevandyk> Vcore = 1.38, 3.26; Volt. = 3.12, 4.97,  2.07, -14.84, -7.11
[10:08] <dabaR> "welcome":/
[10:08] <dabaR> explain if you have time.
[10:08] <Tom-> my windows drive is a master so its /dev/hda but i still cannot work out how to moun it :S
[10:08] <Therx> IIIEars: it says its unstable on XP...
[10:08] <highvoltage> Tom-: you have partitions on /dev/hda
[10:08] <highvoltage> type cat /proc/partitions
[10:08] <IIIEars> Therx - Okay. - Thanks.
[10:08] <highvoltage> then you should mount one of the partitions, such as /dev/hda1, /dev/hda2. etc/
[10:09] <Madpilot> just burning a Kubuntu LiveCD... I'll have to see what the fuss is about...
[10:10] <joevandyk> crap, stupid NVIDIA drivers aren't letting me compile MPlayer.
[10:10] <joevandyk> what's  the paste site?
[10:10] <Tom-> highvoltage, there is /proc but no partitions dir
[10:11] <mebaran151> joevandyk, huh, mine compiled easy
[10:11] <Madpilot> !pastebin
[10:11] <ubotu> well, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[10:11] <mebaran151> dll xv
[10:11] <mebaran151> and x dev
[10:11] <mebaran151> and all that jazz
[10:11] <Madpilot> joevandyk: see ubotu's post & URLs
[10:11] <joevandyk> using drivers from nvidia?
[10:11] <mebaran151> gkt1.2-dev will meet the basic specs
[10:11] <mebaran151> joevandyk, usuing the binaries yep
[10:11] <joevandyk> from nvidia? or from ubuntu?
[10:12] <IIIEars> Just noticed an unofficial Ubuntu distribution for older hardware. - fairly new likely a few wrinkles yet to be ironed out. http://www.ubuntulite.org/
[10:12] <mebaran151> well they are in the nvidia-glx package
[10:12] <mebaran151> they arent nv
[10:12] <mebaran151> they are binary pkged
[10:12] <thoreauputic> anyone here who can call me on skype to test my setup? echo123 works, I just need a quick call to check things
[10:12] <joevandyk> those don't work for me very well (mouse bug), so I had to download the newest nvidia drivers and install them manually
[10:12] <bevictor> ok
[10:12] <joevandyk> http://rafb.net/paste/results/aAY88676.html ... there's the error I get when I try to link mplayer.
[10:13] <velocity760> im tring to open up teamspeak.bin
[10:13] <velocity760> it wont open up for some reason
[10:13] <bevictor> what is this ?
[10:14] <velocity760> voice chatting program
[10:14] <bevictor> oh
[10:14] <bevictor> what write by?
[10:15] <velocity760> ?
[10:15] <Crafty-Catcher> Hi I am trying to setup my raid1 with the mdadm tools - I am now at the point, where I am trying to do this: mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-raid but i am getting this error: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /dev/evms/.nodes/hdb1: Cannot find LVM device - can anyone please help?
[10:15] <bevictor> is java ?
[10:15] <Tom-> meh i worked it out it was hda1 not simple hda :-\
[10:16] <bevictor> it's run in the system ?
[10:16] <Kris> hello everyone. Does anyone know of any data recovery programs that handle ext3 filesystems?
[10:16] <erigato> has anybody here got cdrecord working?
[10:17] <bevictor> www.bevictor.com.cn
[10:17] <IIIEars> Kris - I like Helix bootable CD (knoppix based)
[10:17] <bevictor> exit
[10:17] <Kris> where do I find it?
[10:18] <bob2> Kris: there aren't any, really
[10:18] <bob2> if you've deleted stuff on an ext3 filesystem, get your backups out
[10:18] <anacron> im buying 64bit pc, is easyer to get every thing work in 32bit ubuntu than 64bit?, like is there some weird problems in 64bit version, what i should know about?
[10:18] <bob2> anacron: do you care about binary software?
[10:18] <anacron> bob2: im not sure, i guess not
[10:19] <bob2> the amd64 will probably be fine
[10:19] <anacron> bob2: good :)
[10:19] <bob2> if you care about windows dlls or binary-only proprietary software or flash, tho
[10:19] <IIIEars> Kris - there are a bunch of tools most use the same subset of core utilities. take a peek at what is included it should give you some ideas. the d/l is large. http://www.edmunds-enterprises.com/linux/cart.php/ba/pdtl/product/301
[10:20] <anacron> bob2: so i can't install wlan card for an example?
[10:20] <lamenter> anyone using ltsp here?
[10:20] <IIIEars> Kris - " linux forensic tools"
[10:20] <bob2> anacron: does it have a linux driver?
[10:20] <Kris> thanks I'll look that up
[10:20] <bob2> ext3 doesn't leave data around for very long
[10:20] <anacron> bob2: no, i have to use ndiswrapper
[10:20] <bob2> then you might be screwed
[10:21] <bob2> depending on iff there's a 64-bit NDIS driver for it
[10:21] <anacron> i guess that 64bit ubuntu is worth of testing, but then i change back to 32bit :/
[10:21] <bob2> with a reinstall, yes
[10:22] <IIIEars> kris - hm - sorry i couldn't find the free link. - http://www.linux-forensics.com/forensics/pensleuth.html this is almost exactly the same thing.
[10:22] <joevandyk> Woo, installing libxxf86vm-dev fixed the link error.
[10:22] <inner> sorry anacron, I got late to the chat so, are you using ubuntu64?
[10:22] <Kris> it's ok google found the free link
[10:23] <Kris> now to find a blank CD around here to burn it oon
[10:23] <inner> anacron: at a laptop?
[10:23] <anacron> inner: not yet, im just thinking should i use it when i get 64bit system
[10:23] <bob2> but seriously, if you've deleted something on ext3, it's probably gone forever
[10:23] <anacron> inner: reqular pc, not a laptop
[10:23] <Crafty-Catcher> Hi I am trying to setup my raid1 with the mdadm tools - I am now at the point, where I am trying to do this: mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-raid but i am getting this error: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /dev/evms/.nodes/hdb1: Cannot find LVM device - can anyone please help?
[10:23] <inner> anacron: oh I see... I totally moved from 32 to 64
[10:24] <anacron> inner: so was there some weird problems?
[10:24] <inner> none, this was my third ubuntu installation after warty32, hoary32 and now hoary64; and
[10:25] <joevandyk> how do I get mplayer to fill the screen when I enlarge it?
[10:25] <bob2> joevandyk: mplayer -vo xv
[10:25] <anacron> sounds good, but with my luck i get kernelpanic right when i put the cd in the drive
[10:25] <inner> anacron: after you get used to compile compile compile everything you need, you may spend like 3 weeks without a comfortable system; but thereafter you feel like on top of things!!!
[10:25] <joevandyk> bob2, xv doesn't work for me
[10:25] <inner> the same for me mjr
[10:25] <mebaran151> mjr
[10:25] <bob2> joevandyk: i915 video?
[10:26] <Xyc0> I know this question has been murdered, how do I make VLC default movie player?
[10:26] <joevandyk> Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.
[10:26] <mebaran151> how do you set one of them up
[10:26] <joevandyk> no, nvidia
[10:26] <IIIEars> inner - Was the 64bit install as easy as 32bit?
[10:26] <mebaran151> IIIEars, I got a good 64 bit install
[10:26] <bob2> go nvidia
[10:26] <Nermal> Xyc0, why would you want to ?
[10:26] <mjr> IIIEars, yes, why should it be any different?
[10:26] <thespiritoftal> I have amule and I want to make its default ports avaliable for example... I want to make port 4662 open.. how can i do that?
[10:26] <bob2> joevandyk: well -zoom then
[10:26] <inner> totally, just as easy as the 32bits; I even used my same installation notes
[10:26] <Quake> any1 know much about the WINE program for ubantu?
[10:26] <mebaran151> joevandyk, what device are you using?
[10:26] <mebaran151> -vo xv?
[10:26] <Nermal> sudo apt-get install wine ?
[10:26] <mebaran151> try -vo X11
[10:26] <bob2> Quake: best to just ask your question
[10:27] <inner> anacron: I only miss my mono apps so much, and I am too lasy to compile them
[10:27] <Xyc0> Nermal: because it is the best media player for linux...
[10:27] <IIIEars> I really would like a new machine.
[10:27] <Quake> ok
[10:27] <Nermal> Xyc0, oh.. right
[10:27] <anacron> inner: okay :D
[10:27] <Quake> well i was wondering if u can use wine to use windows drivers?
[10:27] <joevandyk> the default one.  tried x11
[10:27] <anacron> inner: so i quess i have to give it a shot
[10:27] <Nermal> Quake, no
[10:27] <Quake> on linux
[10:27] <IIIEars> The no execute bit set in RAM is just too tempting.
[10:27] <Nermal> don't be silly
[10:27] <thespiritoftal> I have amule and I want to make its default ports avaliable for example... I want to make port 4662 open.. how can i do that?
[10:27] <mebaran151> joevandyk, try xv
[10:27] <bob2> Quake: you can use ndiswrapper to use some windows network drivers
[10:28] <mebaran151> IIIEars, what use is it to you
[10:28] <Quake> ok
[10:28] <Nermal> wine is app level not kernel level
[10:28] <Nermal> :|
[10:28] <inner> i tottally suggest it anacron,  I have a laptop intended for music production and the performance boost was impressive
[10:28] <Quake> its just about my soundcard
[10:28] <mebaran151> I dont think my NX bit has ever been set once
[10:28] <Nermal> Quake, should work in linux
[10:28] <Nermal> what card ?
[10:28] <joevandyk> mebaran151, I don't have that option
[10:28] <Quake> wen i used the ubantu live cd it didnt work
[10:28] <inner> I was so skeptikal about amd64 distros performance over 32 bits thingies, anacron
[10:28] <mebaran151> joevandyk, what dev libraries did you have
[10:28] <inner> s/skeptikal/skeptical
[10:28] <mebaran151> are you sure you had all the x-dev stuff
[10:28] <Nermal> what card ?
[10:28] <IIIEars> 64 bit computing - no more freakin' reinstalls due to buffer over runs. - sweet!
[10:29] <Nameeater> I am unable to get opera to open files with gnome-open, I have followed a guide I found on the ubuntu website but it still won't open stuff (but it works using gnome-open from the commandline)
[10:29] <Quake> and wen i tried Goblinx  it didnt work either
[10:29] <mebaran151> inner, in encoding 64 bits makes a huge difference
[10:29] <anacron> ubuntu live didn't work in my computer at all :D, but when i installed the full system it worked just fine
[10:29] <Nermal> what card ?
[10:29] <mebaran151> 40 fps to 30
[10:29] <joevandyk> mebaran151, I have a bunch of development libraries installed.
[10:29] <mebaran151> do you have xv-dev
[10:29] <mebaran151> or soemthing similar
[10:29] <anacron> Quake: what card do you have
[10:29] <Nameeater> the line in the config is: Default File Handler=gnome-open exec,1 but it doesn't work, anyone know how to make it work?
[10:29] <inner> mebaran151 totally, the real encoding advantage came for me for LAME and ffmpeg
[10:29] <dabaR>  /part I R teh SUX!!!
[10:29] <dabaR> bah
[10:29] <mebaran151> inner, yep me too
[10:29] <Xyc0> How do I make VLC the default media player?  I tried Open With Other App > vlc, I even completely removed totem.  Why does it still try and use Totem?!?
[10:29] <mebaran151> lame and libavcodec
[10:30] <Nermal> Xyc0, because gconf says to
[10:30] <Quake> ancron  its an Audiotrak Maya
[10:30] <Nermal> try gconf-editor
[10:30] <inner> mebaran151, other codecs do not hit much in terms of timming
[10:30] <mebaran151> Xyc0, open up the registry, I mean gconf
[10:30] <mebaran151> inner hmmm?
[10:30] <Nameeater> system/preferences/multimedia selector?
[10:30] <mebaran151> inner, use trell when ever possible
[10:30] <mebaran151> it is a good option
[10:30] <TehRulest> is there such thing as a command line distro
[10:30] <inner> mebaran151 I mean, not as much as lame for example
[10:30] <mebaran151> makes for nice clean codes
[10:30] <Xyc0> mebaran151: What command?
[10:30] <Nermal> TehRulest, plenty
[10:30] <Nermal> ubuntu in export mode for example
[10:30] <Nermal> expert*
[10:31] <IIIEars> theruleset - tmsrtbt floppy? - silly grin
[10:31] <Nermal> dsl, root linux, slackware, gentoo, debian
[10:31] <poningru> !wifi
[10:31] <ubotu> methinks wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[10:31] <Nermal> any distro that can be installed without X
[10:31] <inner> I will try it mebaran151, thx
[10:31] <inner> Oh note! I only haven the worst problems with my 3d ATI card acceleration.
[10:32] <inner> s/I only haven/I ve been having
[10:32] <Quake> any1 got any ideas for me and my soundcard issues?
[10:32] <inner> Has anybody got his/her ATI 3d acceleration to be operational at Ubuntu64?
[10:33] <Xyc0> mebaran151: Where can I look for the default mediaplayer config/
[10:33] <Quake> any1?
[10:34] <Nermal> "one"
[10:34] <Nermal> "anyone"
[10:34] <mebaran151> Xyc0
[10:34] <mebaran151> not so sure ...
[10:35] <Quake> any1 know anyother channels who might b able to help me?
[10:35] <Xyc0> Quake: what audio card are you using?
[10:36] <Quake> Xyco  i am using an Audiotrak MAya
[10:36] <Xyc0> What problems are you having?
[10:36] <Quake> There is no sound wen i use the Ubuntu live cd
[10:37] <black13> ubuntu hoary has xorg ?
[10:37] <Quake> and likewise wen i use the GoblinX live cd
[10:37] <eth42> black13: yes
[10:37] <nekohayo> heaay, do you think it's possible to link the firefox and epiphany bookmarks together?
[10:37] <nekohayo> with a ln command or something I don't remember quite
[10:38] <Xyc0> Quake: Ubuntu Live CD is not the best live cd
[10:38] <Xyc0> Quake: they have to remove alot to fit it on one disk
[10:38] <Quake> Xyco  wat is?
[10:38] <Quake> ok
[10:38] <Xyc0> Quake: Install Ubuntu, then we can help you install the driver if nessisary
[10:38] <Quake> the MAya card i have is one of the first and cant be purchased any more
[10:39] <Xyc0> Perhaps a generic driver will work
[10:39] <Quake> @ the moment i am just testing for any hardware compatability problems
[10:39] <inner> so friends, anyone with an ATI card with ubuntu64?
[10:39] <Quake> wats that Xyco?
[10:39] <Xyc0> what is what?
[10:39] <Quake> Wat is a generic driver
[10:39] <Quake> ?
[10:40] <Xyc0> what is generic deoderant?
[10:40] <velocity760> how do i run a bin file
[10:40] <velocity760> im tring to run teamspeak.bin
[10:40] <Quake> u said   Perhaps a generic driver will work    wat is a generic driver?
[10:40] <Quake> im new to linux
[10:40] <eth42>  velocity760: ./teamspeak.bin
[10:40] <velocity760> k
[10:40] <velocity760> thx
[10:40] <Zukero> hello
[10:41] <velocity760> where do i type that
[10:41] <Quake> do u mean a universal like driver?
[10:41] <velocity760> terminal
[10:41] <black13> has anyone toyed around with debootstrap for ubuntu
[10:41] <Zukero> anyone here use enlightenment(E16) on ubuntu ?
[10:41] <Quake> xyco  ??
[10:41] <eth42> velocity760: either use the terminal, cd to the path where the bin file resides, and type ./teamspeak.bin
[10:42] <black13> ok i answered my question just a lot of debs to download
[10:42] <eth42> velocity760: and make sure that the x (for execute) properties are set for this file
[10:42] <eth42> velocity760: you can set them on the terminal with chmod a+x ./teamspeak.bin
[10:43] <nekohayo> Quake, generic, exactly what it means in English
[10:43] <eth42> velocity760: or simply use Nautilus instead of the terminal....
[10:43] <Quake> Xyco  got to go but thanks for your help
[10:43] <ticktoc> u dumb turds from ubuntu compiled the openoffice impress module that came with my 'free' cd's WITHOUT ability to insert video object..  YIKES..  that sucks..
[10:43] <Quake> and thnx to evry1 else
[10:43] <Belutz> anyone knows a good WYSIWYG Web Editor in ubuntu that supports PHP?
[10:43] <velocity760> i type ./teamspeak.bin
[10:43] <velocity760> says couldnt find directory
[10:43] <nekohayo> Belutz, still looking for something like that :P
[10:43] <nekohayo> you tried nvu?
[10:43] <mebaran151> Belutz, how od you have wysiwyg with php
[10:43] <meta> My dvb card frontend is erroring out, I don't know what to do. "dvb_bt8xx: if you have the ALSA bt87x audio driver installed, try removing it." how do I do that?
[10:44] <mebaran151> you cant "see" php
[10:44] <mebaran151> use bluefish
[10:44] <eth42>  velocity760: try: file ./teamspeak.bin
[10:44] <Xyc0> it is a general driver that can work for multiple sound cards
[10:44] <nekohayo> mebaran151, but you can see your xhtml file with php snippets in it.
[10:44] <mebaran151> it wont hurt you too hard to code the html by hand, and your html will be cleaner for it
[10:44] <mebaran151> nekohayo, try bluefish
[10:44] <nekohayo> I already bluefish.
[10:44] <Belutz> nekohayo: yes i tried nvu... but it erase my php code :(
[10:44] <velocity760> in the terminal
[10:44] <eth42> velocity760: yes
[10:45] <meta> Xyc0 - can I pm you?
[10:45] <Xyc0> sure
[10:45] <velocity760> says no such file or directory
[10:45] <nekohayo> is it possible to link the firefox and epiphany bookmarks together? with a ln command or something, would that work?
[10:45] <eth42> velocity760: are you in the directory where teamspeak.bin is??
[10:45] <Belutz> mebaran151: i want to design with wysiwyg editor, and edit the code in zend or bluefish, but after i edit the file with zend, and i edit the design with nvu, the php code is deleted :(
[10:46] <velocity760> yes
[10:46] <vic1ous> how doi install nautilus so i can use scripts for installing deb files.
[10:46] <eth42> velocity760: so executing "ls" shows "teamspeak.bin"?
[10:46] <velocity760> yes
[10:47] <velocity760> executable
[10:47] <casperl> re web editing - imho it would be much, much easier if ubuntu had an option to install a web authoring environment out of the box
[10:47] <velocity760> yes
[10:47] <nekohayo> casperl, what do you mean.
[10:47] <nekohayo> you want dreamweaver installed out of the box? :P
[10:48] <bob2> casperl: so, create a "web authoring environment" package that installs various things and sets them up, then get it uploaded to universe
[10:48] <eth42> velocity760: I don't understand .... if you type "ls team<tab>", it should expand to teamspeak.bin, does it?
[10:48] <Zukero> anyone here use enlightenment(E16) on ubuntu ?
[10:48] <Belutz> nekohayo: it would be nice to have dreamweaver on ubuntu :D
[10:48] <casperl> weeks after installing ubuntu I am still hunting and installing parts of the puzzle to install a web authoring environtment.  On windows I had WAMP + dreamweaver = Presto
[10:48] <velocity760> where do you type in the is team
[10:48] <nekohayo> well... let's go to adobe's HQ with a sledgehammer
[10:48] <eth42> Zukero: I thought Ubuntu is a Gnome distro....
[10:48] <Zukero> yeah
[10:49] <Zukero> but i installed E16 and it works well
[10:49] <Zukero> but
[10:49] <bob2> casperl: as above
[10:49] <Zukero> the gnome menu that is supposed to be built automatically in E is not.
[10:49] <eth42>  velocity760: what?
[10:49] <bob2> I suspect the problem is "web authoring environment" not being defined
[10:49] <velocity760> is team
[10:49] <eth42>  velocity760: not "is" but "ls"
[10:49] <velocity760> Is
[10:49] <velocity760> ls
[10:49] <nekohayo> Belutz, I'd be using dreamweaver on this laptop if it wasn't already dead-pig-slow on my desktop.. don't even dare trying it here
[10:50] <eth42>  velocity760: ls team, then press the tab key
[10:50] <velocity760> where do you time in th ls team
[10:50] <eth42>  velocity760:  in the terminal
[10:50] <velocity760> k
[10:50] <djg> Hi, I'm having a few problems with locales and a Java app.  Is anyone else having this problem?
[10:52] <xinel> hey all i got a new 300 gig hdd is it possible to install ubuntu on it create a home partition then mount my old home partition hdd as something else and copy the data from my old home partition 80 to the new 300?
[10:52] <casperl> I am not after dreamweaver on linux - quanta does the job for now - I prefer , however a lot of stuff has to be aquired in parts - a single installation for common web development apps would have saved days and days of fiddeling
[10:52] <velocity760> what does the tab key do
[10:53] <bob2> xinel: of course
[10:53] <bob2> casperl: so, create the package to install them all
[10:53] <xinel> so i can mount it as shared in fstab?
[10:53] <bob2> casperl: or propose someone else does (but strictly define what you want it to do)
[10:53] <eth42> velocity760: it should expand the filename to an existing name in the filesystem
[10:53] <bob2> such a thing would be trivial if someone listed what it should call
[10:54] <casperl> i will gladly do so, is there a place on the forums where one could propose such suggestions?
[10:54] <eth42> velocity760: if nothing happens, press it twice, and you get a list of possibilities if there's something starting with what you've typed so far
[10:54] <eth42> velocity760: if then there's nothing, there's nothing starting with what you've type so far; you see?
[10:54] <velocity760> there we go
[10:54] <bob2> casperl: no, use the wiki
[10:55] <bob2> casperl: there's probably some related spec on udu.wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:56] <eth42> can I change Firefox's behaviour that it always opens the defined homepage when I start a new instance (there was such an option in good old Mozilla)
[10:56] <Burgundavia> casperl, wiki.ubuntu.com/IdeaPool
[10:56] <Burgundavia> casperl, link a page from there with the spec idea
[10:57] <Burgundavia> casperl, after you have written the spec, post it to ubuntu-devel for review
[10:57] <casparv> moge
[10:57] <mebaran151> xinel, the easiest way for now is to symlink it all
[10:57] <mebaran151> dont know how orthodox that is
[10:58] <casperl> i will do so, thanks all
[10:58] <mebaran151> basically cp everything but link back so nothing breaks too hard
[10:58] <mebaran151> or change mount points
[10:59] <concept10> bob2, wou run a server on hoary or sarge?
[10:59] <bob2> both
[11:00] <casperl> re firefox's behaviour - edit / preferences - general / locations defvines a homepage that will be used for every new page - if I understood your question correctly
[11:00] <casperl> *defines
[11:01] <vic1ous> hoow do you get the scripts menu on right click when you right click a .deb file
[11:01] <concept10> bob2, I have a hoary and sarge server, havent noticed any differences in stability.  just wondering sarge is on 2.4 hoary is on 2.6, but it crashes sometimes when I use it as a desktop
[11:03] <casperl> re firefox (eth42) - I see what happens - defining a homepage in settings only seems to work if you open a new page in a separate window.  Opening a new page in a tab leaves a blank page ???
[11:03] <eth42> casperl: yes
[11:04] <eth42> casperl: in good ol'Mozilla you could define the behavior more finely
[11:04] <efigyidol> whats a good graphical sftp program for x.org?
[11:04] <efigyidol> or gnome
[11:04] <eth42> casperl: e.g., open the Homepage only on startup
[11:04] <eth42> casperl: or open it only for new tabs...
[11:04] <bob2> efigyidol: the file manager can do thaat
[11:05] <vic1ous> isnt there supposed to be a scripts tab under right clicj
[11:05] <vic1ous> click
[11:05] <efigyidol> bob2: you mean nautilis?
[11:05] <vic1ous> i guess
[11:05] <vic1ous> im new to linux
[11:05] <bob2> efigyidol: nautilus, yeah
[11:06] <vic1ous> well i have ubuntu but no scripts menu
[11:06] <efigyidol> bob2: woah awesome! thanks dude.
[11:06] <vic1ous> ahh sorry thought you were talkign to me
[11:06] <vic1ous> hey bob2
[11:07] <vic1ous> can you help me figure out this scripts thing?
[11:07] <Nameeater> if I was to use gnome-open in a program to make it open a certain file when clicked, what would I put, just gnome-open ?
[11:07] <bob2> doing anything magic with .debs is a bad idea
[11:07] <vic1ous> well i cant open them at all
[11:07] <vic1ous> cant install them
[11:08] <Belutz> nekohayo: hmmm.... so you only use bluefish now?
[11:08] <vic1ous> i downloaded skype.deb and i dont know how to install
[11:08] <bob2> vic1ous: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[11:08] <bob2> from a terminal
[11:08] <casperl> eth42: you are right - same behaviour here (different behaviour from windows firefox)  is it a bug or an undocumented feature?  Maybe a plugin would provide a workaround
[11:08] <Xyc0> bah ha ha ha ha!!!!!
[11:09] <Xyc0> I have found a fool proof way to make VLC default!!!!
[11:09] <vic1ous> no file or directory found
[11:09] <Xyc0>  sudo sed -i -e 's/totem/gvlc/' /usr/share/applications/defaults.list
[11:09] <vic1ous> does the file have to be in a certain directory?
[11:09] <vic1ous> its on desktop
[11:09] <bob2> vic1ous: no, you just have to give dpkg the correct path
[11:09] <vic1ous> it typed this
[11:10] <vic1ous> sudo dpkg -i skype.deb
[11:10] <vic1ous> said file or directory not found
[11:10] <bob2> if that's the correct filename
[11:10] <black13> has anyone here use ubuntu debootstrap succesfully
[11:10] <bob2> then you're not in the right directory
[11:10] <vic1ous> how do i change directory then
[11:10] <bob2> cd Desktop
[11:11] <vic1ous> your talking about the applications/system tools/terminal terminal right?
[11:11] <vic1ous> cause i did cd desktop and it says no such file or directory
[11:12] <xinel> anyone know of custom built Ubuntu cd's with multimedia ?
[11:12] <bob2> vic1ous: no, read what I said
[11:12] <vic1ous> i see
[11:12] <bob2> "Desktop" is not the same as "desktop"
[11:12] <vic1ous> Desktop
[11:12] <nekohayo> Belutz, yes (sorry for the delay)
[11:12] <erigato> is more swap space more effective than adding RAM?
[11:12] <vic1ous> oh didnt know caps mattere
[11:12] <bob2> efigyidol: no
[11:12] <vic1ous> im used to windows
[11:12] <vic1ous> sorry
[11:12] <bob2> er
[11:12] <nekohayo> I have no choice... and I kinda got used to it
[11:12] <bob2> erigato: no
[11:12] <Belutz> nekohayo: it's ok :)
[11:13] <thoreauputic> erigato: no
[11:13] <erigato> bob2: what is the  difference
[11:13] <nekohayo> I'd really really like to be able to dreamweaver again however.. the only wysiwyg that didn't destroy my code, AFAIK
[11:13] <bob2> erigato: swap is a thousand times slower
[11:13] <nekohayo> but dreamweaver nativeley
[11:13] <thoreauputic> erigato: RAM is an order of magnitude faster
[11:13] <bob2> because it's on your hard disk
[11:14] <thoreauputic> hmm... 2 orders of magnitude :)
[11:14] <nekohayo> so, no idea on the epiphany-firefox bookmark linking ;_;?
[11:14] <vic1ous> ok last question where did it install it and how do i run it
[11:14] <erigato> bob2: thoreauputic i installed ubuntu on a 40GB disk now i got a bigger 120 as storage, it seemed to me as if it created a standard swap proportional to my disk space that true
[11:14] <bob2> erigato: no, that's never been true
[11:14] <nekohayo> vic1ous,
[11:14] <thoreauputic> erigato: no
[11:14] <nekohayo> try ALT-F2
[11:14] <erigato> thoreauputic: an=one order? bob says thousand times
[11:14] <nekohayo> and skype, then enter
[11:14] <bob2> it's hugely slower
[11:15] <thoreauputic> erigato: yeah, bob2 is right :)
[11:15] <bob2> I'm making 1000 up
[11:15] <black13> is there a net install of ubuntu
[11:15] <black13> or net install iso image
[11:15] <erigato> bob2: so i can just leave ubuntu as it is correct? on the 40GB is good enought, huh. just keep the 120GB as storage
[11:15] <vic1ous> that didnt do anything
[11:15] <bob2> erigato: yes
[11:15] <nekohayo> black13, not that I know of
[11:15] <bob2> erigato: the only consideration is taht your new disk is probably faster
[11:15] <bob2> so it might be worth moving it
[11:15] <nekohayo> you only have one install CD, that explains part of it
[11:16] <erigato> bob2: yes i saw that the new has 7000rpm
[11:16] <erigato> bob2: i don't know aobut the old one.
[11:16] <black13> debian has slimmed down net install cd and downloads the rest
[11:16] <erigato> bob2: any idea how seagate barracuda is?
[11:16] <bob2> just leave it then
[11:17] <bob2> when you know more about ubuntu, you'll be able to do it yourself
[11:17] <thoreauputic> erigato: if you have a reasonable mount of RAM (say 512 or so ) you won't be swapping much anyway
[11:18] <v1ru5> bob2: whee bob, i got the right md5 summed iso now :) but i have to wait for about 10 hours before i can get it burned; my win XP doesn't let me burn anything.. ("power convert error" or something")
[11:18] <bob2> ouch
[11:18] <nekohayo> vic1ous, sorry, didn't follow your issue, just thought that if a program is properly installed you can run it that way.. skype works with me like that
[11:18] <erigato> thoreauputic: ok i got 512 getting another 512 to add. but i wonder if it is worth putting the os on the faster hard drive
[11:19] <vic1ous> well it shows up in the list
[11:19] <vic1ous> just doesnt load
[11:19] <thoreauputic> erigato: depends how much faster the new drive is I suppose
[11:21] <erigato> thoreauputic: 5400rpm on the WD protege as compared to 7200rpm on the seagate barracuda
[11:21] <nekohayo> try running it from a terminal
[11:21] <nekohayo> might output some info
[11:21] <casparv> hoe kan ik me MP3's afspelen en de video's met DivX?
[11:21] <casperl> thoreaputic: I have recently migrated from Debian / Testing (Sid) to ubuntu and I can report that for the same apps & workload ubuntu requires less swap space and less ram by a sizeable magnitude  - with 256 Mg ram installed I constantly use about 160Mb for user memory and < 150Mb swop space that climbs to 250mb max if I open a lot of apps.  Incredibly ubuntu seems much faster too
[11:21] <vic1ous> how?
[11:21] <vic1ous> im really really new
[11:21] <casparv> oops
[11:21] <casparv> sorry i tought i was in the dutch channel
[11:22] <casparv> cee ya
[11:22] <Whisky_> Ubuntu comes on 1 cd only?
[11:22] <Burgundavia> Whisky_, yes
[11:22] <Whisky_> Burgundavia, oh ok....
[11:22] <WindowsUser> will breezy include beagle?
[11:22] <MyQe7> hello
[11:22] <Burgundavia> WindowsUser, unknown at this point. Probably
[11:22] <WindowsUser> ah
[11:23] <WindowsUser> thanks bye
[11:23] <Whisky_> and what's the process of establishing a dialup connection in Ubuntu? I just got my ShipIt package :)
[11:23] <thoreauputic> erigato: well, it's up to you really - I don't think I would bother personally, but it depends how important the last bit of speed is to you (with 1gig of RAM it should be pretty snappy anyway)
[11:23] <MyQe7> i need to ask somethingy about Emacs... can some one help plz =] 
[11:23] <cafuego> MyQe7: the answer is: No, emacs is evil.
[11:24] <MyQe7> =\ cafuego
[11:24] <tobi_> g'morning
[11:24] <timl> MyQe7: just ask, and someone will help if they can
[11:24] <MyQe7> but i need it to latex =\
[11:24] <erigato> thoreauputic:the only thing is i would have to install all over again and then configure everything again.
[11:24] <gustav_> cafuego: emacs is the BEST operating system there is
[11:24] <cafuego> if breezy would have beagle, it would be nice if beagle didn't crash all the time.
[11:24] <tobi_> daniels: heya, any news regarding xbk and altgr ;) ?
[11:24] <Tomcat__> What's beagle?
[11:24] <Burgundavia> cafuego, that is main reason it is not default yet
[11:24] <MyQe7> what is to "call M-x latex-mode" at emacs
[11:24] <daniels> tobi_: i set my layout to german a few days ago and alt-gr worked fine
[11:24] <Seveas> Tomcat__, a nice search engine for your pc
[11:25] <Tomcat__> !
[11:25] <ubotu> I don't know, Tomcat__
[11:25] <cafuego> Burgundavia: That said, it may or may not actually work on ia32.
[11:25] <Whisky_> what does Ubuntu come with, KDE or Gnome or both ?
[11:25] <nekohayo> Tomcat__, google "gnome beagle"
[11:25] <Seveas> Whisky_, both and more
[11:25] <Burgundavia> cafuego, ia32 is not an issue for Brezy
[11:25] <Burgundavia> Whisky_, default is gnome
[11:25] <Whisky_> k
[11:25] <tobi_> daniels: so strange... it still won't work for me and always worked before...
[11:25] <nekohayo> by the way, people
[11:25] <nekohayo> beagle is in hoary backports
[11:25] <nekohayo> I am using it right now.
[11:25] <timl> MyQe7: M-x means Alt+x, so hit "Alt+x latex-mode"
[11:25] <cafuego> Whisky_: beagle is to linux what Spotlight is to MacOS X.
[11:25] <IceDC571> whats a good alternative to gnomebaker?
[11:25] <cafuego> nekohayo: Yes, but it crashes _all_ the time.
[11:25] <MyQe7> timl thanks man
[11:26] <nekohayo> hobbitcooker
[11:26] <nekohayo> XD
[11:26] <nekohayo> cafuego, I guess so
[11:26] <daniels> tobi_: sudo dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/xkeyboard-config_0.5-3_all.deb
[11:26] <MyQe7> were can i find all this shortcut ?
[11:26] <Tomcat__> Ah, found a page for it.
[11:26] <erigato> anybody here has cdrecord working?
[11:26] <gustav_> IceDC571: k3b, but it's KDE :(
[11:26] <nekohayo> well for me it doesn't crash actually. Just doesn't seem to be indexing anymore
[11:26] <Whisky_> cafuego, its a GUI? I'm on debian right now =)
[11:26] <timl> MyQe7: you can't, you just have to absorb it by osmosic
[11:26] <timl> either that or google
[11:26] <cafuego> nekohayo: .. and in the process corrupts its DB, so you need to start from scratch. That kinda defeats the purpose ;-)
[11:26] <MyQe7> thanks =] 
[11:26] <nekohayo> XD really? didn't know that
[11:27] <cafuego> Whisky_: There is a gui search tool for it, yes. And you can search via a browser too.
[11:27] <nekohayo> shoot >_< I am so impatient to get breezy.
[11:27] <tobi_> daniels: i changed the xorg.conf a while ago, i think it should be alright but maybe there's something wrong in the keyboard section. wait, i'll paste...
[11:27] <Whisky_> :/ k...
[11:27] <cafuego> nekohayo: Well, on my box anyway.
[11:27] <MyQe7> thanks ppl
[11:27] <cafuego> nekohayo: I found 200 beagles running the other day, system load was also 200 <heh>
[11:27] <nekohayo> wow XD
[11:28] <nekohayo> that's what I call EXERCISE_THE_DOG
[11:28] <nekohayo> should be plurar
[11:28] <Whisky_> and what's the package management tool in ubuntu ?
[11:28] <tobi_> daniels: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/775
[11:28] <nekohayo> Synaptic
[11:28] <cafuego> Whisky_: synaptic. apt-get, dpkg, dselect, ubuntu package manager and aptitude work too.
[11:29] <Whisky_> awsome, k.
[11:29] <tobi_> daniels: should be ok, huh?
[11:30] <daniels> tobi_:
[11:30] <daniels> tobi_: errr?? change pc102 to pc105
[11:30] <tobi_> daniels: i tried 102,104,105 afair
[11:31] <daniels> try 105 again
[11:31] <tobi_> daniels: okay
[11:31] <daniels> and do you get an error when you start, or just silently fails to use altgr?
[11:32] <tobi_> daniels: i think i get an error, i changed it to 105 and i'll try again now. brb
[11:32] <casperl> Tomcat__: beagle is something I attemted to install and failed miserably <grin>  see http://nat.org/demos/ for some nice flash demos of beagle which is a desktop search tool
[11:33] <QMario> How can I make MPlayer play Windows Media files? Is there a Linux version of Windows Media Player?
[11:33] <Whisky_> and yes, can someone please tell me what Kubuntu is ?
[11:33] <QMario> The KDE version of Ubuntu.
[11:33] <QMario> Hence the name, KUbuntu.
[11:34] <leroj> i don't like KDE
[11:34] <Whisky_> ahh k.
[11:34] <QMario> Leroj, why not?
[11:34] <leroj> i don't know
[11:34] <QMario> What's wrong with it?
[11:34] <leroj> nothing
[11:35] <QMario> So really, you are neutral with KDE.
[11:35] <leroj> althogh was the first DE i tried
[11:35] <leroj> yeah
[11:35] <leroj> but i prefer gnome
[11:35] <QMario> Isn't KDE user-friendly?
[11:35] <leroj> it is
[11:35] <QMario> Although, it reminds us about Windows.
[11:38] <joevandyk> what options do you guys give mplayer for best video quality?
[11:38] <Kejk_PL> joevandyk: none
[11:39] <Burgundavia> joevandyk, I give it the non-installation option and use totem
[11:39] <Kejk_PL> joevandyk: sometimes some postprocessing, but it can loose quality too
[11:39] <leroj> i need the ubuntu sparkle image
[11:39] <leroj> any ideads on where it could be?
[11:40] <Kejk_PL> I had bad experience with tomem (in Mandrake, in Debian it probably always works)
[11:40] <thespiritoftal> I have installed a firewall called fiaif does anyone know how can i open it?
[11:40] <bob2> using a no-name firewall no one has heard of seems like a bad plan
[11:40] <thespiritoftal> which firewall should i use?
[11:40] <thoreauputic> leroj: type 'locate sparkle' >> /usr/share/pixmaps/splash/ubuntu-sparkles.png
[11:41] <bob2> shorewall's nice
[11:41] <IIIEars> casperl - Beagle is awesome. -      The instructions for Hoary on their site don't work?
[11:41] <bob2> I hear firestarter is ok if you want a gui to configure it
[11:41] <leroj> thanks :D
[11:41] <marcin> hi all
[11:41] <thespiritoftal> hmm k
[11:41] <marcin> could someone tell me how to change default theme for gtk?
[11:42] <marcin> and I don't mean in gnome - _default_ theme
[11:42] <todd_> when i minimize a program it hides instead of showing up on the taskbar.  how do i fix?
[11:42] <tobi_> daniels: yeah, it works.
[11:42] <daniels> tobi_: bonus
[11:42] <tobi_> daniels: i noticed that xkbcomp was not existing anymore after the latest update...
[11:42] <xinel> nobody knows of a modified Ubuntu cd then?
[11:43] <tobi_> daniels: and xkbutils where not installed.
[11:43] <daniels> tobi_: sudo apt-get install xkbutils
[11:43] <daniels> ah, right
[11:43] <daniels> that'll do it
[11:43] <QMario> How can I make MPlayer play Windows Media files? Is there a Linux version of Windows Media Player?
[11:43] <tobi_> :)
[11:43] <Madpilot> !restricted
[11:43] <thespiritoftal> you can install the codecs
[11:43] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:43] <evo> how can i see what files are in a package without downloading the package?
[11:43] <tobi_> daniels: thanks a lot for your help!
[11:43] <bob2> evo: using apt-file, yes
[11:43] <thoreauputic> QMario: look at ubotu's URL below
[11:43] <daniels> tobi_: no worries
[11:43] <leroj> thoreauputic, that wasn't the image i was looking for...
[11:43] <todd_> when i minimize a program it hides instead of showing up on the taskbar.  how do i fix?
[11:43] <evo> cheers
[11:43] <bob2> note that its db is only updated sometimes
[11:43] <thoreauputic> !multimedia
[11:43] <ubotu> [multimedia]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[11:43] <leroj> i mean the default wallpaper
[11:43] <casperl> IIIEars: I didn't know about instructions for Hoary - I'll search for them
[11:43] <bob2> todd_: presumably you got rid of the panel applet that lists them
[11:43] <cafuego> !wiki NewUserGuideMultimedia
[11:43] <bob2> todd_: right clik on the panel, add applet, window list
[11:44] <Raptoid> selamlar.
[11:44] <todd_> there we go!  thanks alot!
[11:44] <thoreauputic> leroj: hmm - maybe it's called "default" or something
[11:44] <cafuego> Muaha, planetmirror is using me as upstream :-)
[11:44] <IIIEars> casperl - looks like an updated site maybe info specific to hoary AND Breezy
[11:45] <leroj> i found a folder called wallpapers in /usr/share
[11:45] <leroj> i'll look around in it
[11:45] <leroj> nope :(
[11:45] <IIIEars> The D/L to install is HUGE. 100+megabytes
[11:46] <leroj> found it!!
[11:46] <leroj> /usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png
[11:49] <todd_> what would i add to the panel to bring back gaim in the system tray?
[11:49] <thoreauputic> todd_: "notification area"
[11:50] <todd_> thanks!
[11:50] <WindowsUser> how do i install new themes?
[11:50] <Seveas> WindowsUser, http://art.gnome.org/faq.php
[11:50] <thoreauputic> WindowsUser: drag them onto the theme dialogue
[11:50] <WindowsUser> thoreauputic:  the archive?
[11:50] <thoreauputic> WindowsUser: yup
[11:51] <WindowsUser> ok
[11:51] <WindowsUser> ill try that
[11:52] <thoreauputic> WindowsUser: if you haven't already, install gnome-themes-extras as well
[11:52] <thoreauputic> several themes in that package
[11:52] <WindowsUser> that works thanks!
[11:53] <thespiritoftal> anyone knows how to configure firestarter? when I open it it prevents all internet connection
[11:53] <Whistler> anybody knows where can i get help with using ubuntu+motorola phone?
[11:53] <rob^> thespiritoftal, rerun the wizard
[11:53] <bob2> thespiritoftal: why are you trying to setup a firewall, anyway?
[11:53] <thespiritoftal> is there no need for a firewall?
[11:54] <bob2> on a default system, yes
[11:54] <thoreauputic> thespiritoftal: not unless you run services that are public/internet
[11:54] <thespiritoftal> hmm ok
[11:54] <thespiritoftal> so I uninstall it
[11:55] <Whistler> anybody knows where can i get help with using ubuntu+motorola phone?
[11:55] <Whistler> Jul 26 15:51:18 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 6
[11:55] <Whistler> Jul 26 15:51:18 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71
[11:55] <SniperPT> hello
[11:55] <thespiritoftal> I have another problem... I want to dl things from amule but when I connect to it it says that my port 4662 is unreachable... how can i configure my ports?
[11:56] <odbod> can someone help me install wine to ubuntu... I am kind of new.
[11:56] <Whistler> anybody knows what error -71 meas?
[11:56] <odbod> I cam
[11:56] <odbod> I no
[11:56] <odbod> I can't seem to figure out what the instructions want me to do
[11:56] <SniperPT> can i use that channel to talk about Ubuntu Backports?
[11:56] <apokryphos> odbod: what do you want to install it for?
[11:56] <odbod> ?
[11:57] <apokryphos> odbod: simple question; what do you want to use it for?
[11:57] <thespiritoftal> noone uses Amule here?
[11:57] <thoreauputic> odbod: I think he means, what program(s) do you want to run with it
[11:57] <evo> whats a ubuntu backport?
[11:57] <odbod> games and other stuff. I don't like windows.
[11:57] <apokryphos> !backports
[11:57] <ubotu> it has been said that backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[11:57] <thoreauputic> odbod: for games, wine won't usually do it
[11:57] <evo> ahh
[11:58] <odbod> really?
[11:58] <apokryphos> odbod: wine can't really be thought as "a solution" for running Win progs on Linux -- it only can handle really simplistic stuff as it stands
[11:58] <evo> rtfw
[11:58] <thoreauputic> odbod: you might need cedega or CVS winex
[11:58] <mjr> apokryphos, that's not entirely true either
[11:58] <odbod> http://koti.mbnet.fi/~hoppq/sc-howto.htlm
[11:58] <thespiritoftal> noone knows how to open and close ports in ubuntu???
[11:58] <anacron> is cedega free?
[11:58] <odbod> html*
[11:58] <bob2> thespiritoftal: there's no such thing
[11:58] <mjr> anacron, no
[11:59] <anacron> i though so
[11:59] <apokryphos> mjr: it can run a few more complex things, but your average random non-simplistic program it cannot run
[11:59] <bob2> thespiritoftal: a default ubunt machine doesn't have anything blocking any of the ports
[11:59] <SniperPT> i would request a update... can i do here or i must put the request in the forum?=
[11:59] <mjr> apokryphos, which is already completely different from what you said at first ;)
[11:59] <IIIEars> Began installing Beagle and became nostalgic for the bad old days of early linux. - moving from site to site downloading everything with a dev extension.
[11:59] <bob2> SniperPT: an update of what?
[12:00] <bob2> requesting changes to ubuntu itself on the forum is an exercise in futility
[12:01] <SniperPT> bob2: Subversion... is too old and unstable
[12:01] <IIIEars> got fingers and toes crossed all turns out well - lol  :)
[12:01] <Madpilot> g'night all. or morning, or whatever!
[12:01] <apokryphos> SniperPT: are you kiddin'? CVS is the grandmummy out there. SVN is where it's at.
[12:01] <bob2> SniperPT: eh? 1.1.1 is in hoary, 1.2.0 in breezy
[12:01] <Burgundavia> SniperPT, Hoary is now stable and will not get any new versions of software
[12:02] <IIIEars> hold breath and restart... - rofl
[12:02] <SniperPT> bob2: i must wait to have breezy? :S
[12:02] <bob2> SniperPT: indeed
[12:03] <Nameeater> how far away is breezy? (approx) like 3months?
[12:03] <Nameeater> stable release or w/e you call it
[12:04] <vinboy> is there an easy to share my internet?
[12:04] <thoreauputic> Nameeater: mid October I believe
[12:04] <bob2> vinboy: install ipmasq
[12:04] <Whistler> ppl anybody knows where to find info in english about using motorola c650 cellphone on ubuntu?
[12:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can k3b use a 52x cd-r/rw dvd reader comb drive by sony?
[12:04] <Nameeater> thoreauputic: thanks :)
[12:05] <SniperPT> bob2: (that is my first time using linux at 100%.. so... i'm a newbie) is there a way to get the last version of subversion (1.2.1)?
[12:05] <bob2> sure, compile it yourself
[12:05] <vinboy> bob2, ok
[12:05] <thoreauputic> vinboy: an easy way to share a connection? Install firestarter and enable sharing from the wizard (one click)
[12:05] <bob2> I'm kinda surprised 1.1.1 is that unstable for you, tho
[12:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know?
[12:06] <spola> i think i did something wrong with sources.list... i can't update anymore, and when i start synaptic i get a lot of errors. Can i find an original somewhere online?
[12:06] <bob2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: why don't you just try it?
[12:06] <bob2> spola: paste it to #flood
[12:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok will do
[12:06] <IIIEars> No Beagle and Oops now no clear upgrade path. - lol
[12:06] <spola> bob2, ok
[12:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it took my kiro II with no problem amazingly and thats a card m$ even has trouble running
[12:07] <SniperPT> bob2: but i must remove the 1.1.1 and after compile? and then i will have problem with libapache2-svn?
[12:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> brb gona put a the cd rom in now
[12:07] <spola> bob2, wait ill make a paste site with all the errors + my sources.list
[12:07] <bob2> SniperPT: if you want to replace that, you'll have a lot more trouble
[12:07] <bob2> spola: #flood would be a lot less annoying
[12:08] <Whistler> ppl anybody knows where to find info in english about using motorola c650 cellphone on ubuntu?
[12:08] <bob2> Whistler: asking somewhere more specific might be a better idea
[12:08] <Whistler> i dont know where to ask
[12:08] <bob2> Whistler: e.g. the ubuntu-user list, or the list of whatever software you're supposed to use with it
[12:08] <bartekp> hi
[12:08] <vinboy> sdf
[12:09] <Whistler> k
[12:09] <Whistler> another question
[12:09] <Whistler> Jul 26 15:51:19 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 what can cause this erros?
[12:09] <Whistler> *r
[12:09] <bob2> dodgy usb devices
[12:09] <bob2> dodgy chipset
[12:10] <bob2> dodgy driver
[12:10] <Whistler> i havent installed drivers
[12:10] <Whistler> device seems fine
[12:10] <QMario> Thank You for all your help. :)
[12:10] <Whistler> chipset is fine too
[12:10] <Whistler> =[
[12:10] <bob2> you've audited the chipsets internals?
[12:10] <IIIEars> Help! I just tried to install Beagle, used backports restricted modules and dinked a lot of vital system files.  - JUST KIDDING.  (I'll boot to the mirror install.)
[12:11] <IIIEars> bob2 - that was a joke...
[12:11] <bob2> I know
[12:11] <spola> okay i pasted all the errors here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/776 If i would replace sources.list with a stock one, would thes errors go away?
[12:12] <bartekp> how add laptop to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryPMResults?
[12:12] <bob2> spola: a) don't use backports, b) 'sudo apt-get update'
[12:12] <SniperPT> bob2: the better is wait for breezy...
[12:13] <SniperPT> bob2: :(
[12:13] <joevandyk> I can mencode dvds at 60fps... that seems way too fast
[12:13] <bob2> also, posting errors in german is slightly unhelpful
[12:13] <SniperPT> bob2: Thanks
[12:13] <bob2> since this is an english channel
[12:13] <joevandyk> i'm using acid rip
[12:13] <Burgundavia> bartekp, it is a wiki, sign up and then edit the page
[12:13] <bartekp> Burgundavia: ok, thanks
[12:18] <djp> i gather firefox is now "fixed". I have just been prompted to update it...
[12:18] <Seveas> it is
[12:18] <djp> great
[12:18] <djp> patience is always a virtue, hey Seveas ;)
[12:19] <liraz> yay6
[12:20] <casperl> I need to copy text data from different webpabes into a single text file.  I can achieve that with Copy - Alt-Tab - Past - Alt Tab untill my fingers fall off.  Is there any utility for ubuntu that will monitor the clipboard and collect the data into a single text file.  I could do this in Windows with Notetab and a feature called autopaste.
[12:20] <IIIEars> Seveas - Did you write a script to find all available partitions even ntfs and mac?
[12:20] <IIIEars> Very very nice - Thank You.
[12:20] <Seveas> IIIEars, no, just FAT, NTFS and HFS+ (mac)
[12:20] <IIIEars> Dennis?
[12:21] <Seveas> IIIEars, yes..?
[12:21] <IIIEars> It's was you - Thanks again. - wide grin
[12:22] <efigyidol> how do I cycle xorg after amking changes to xorg.conf?
[12:22] <Seveas> efigyidol, <ctrl><alt><backspace>
[12:22] <IIIEars> Been studying it. learned a lot about bash scripting.
[12:22] <Seveas> IIIEars, if you really want to learn it: read the adanced bash scripting guid from tldp.org
[12:22] <efigyidol> thanks seveas
[12:23] <Seveas> despite the title, it's good for less-advanced users too :)
[12:23] <bob2> casperl: I'd use xclip
[12:23] <IIIEars> hm - Great! :)
[12:25] <erigato> is there a utility to duplicate hard disks
[12:25] <Crafty-Catcher> Hi I am trying to setup my raid1 with the mdadm tools - I am now at the point, where I am trying to do this: mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-raid but i am getting this error: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /dev/evms/.nodes/hdb1: Cannot find LVM device - can anyone please help?
[12:25] <erigato> is there a utility to duplicate hard disks
[12:25] <erigato> sorry
[12:25] <thoreauputic> erigato:  partimage, from memory
[12:26] <erigato> thoreauputic: what do you mean from memory
[12:26] <artjermyn> hello
[12:26] <thoreauputic> erigato: just that: but check "apt-cache show partimage"
[12:27] <artjermyn> i've got the firefox problem.  i've removed firefox and tried to reinstall but no luck, still won't load, anyone have any suggestions?
[12:27] <Therx> is there anyway to mount a fat32 partition to /home? I was planning to copy the content of /home onto the fat32 partition and then add an entry to fstab, but you can't copy most of the stuff because it uses links etc. which aren't supported on fat...
[12:28] <erigato> thoreauputic: cool, sounds good. is it hard to use. have you tried it
[12:29] <thoreauputic> erigato: I just remembered it did something like what you describe
[12:29] <thoreauputic> erigato: no, I haven't tried it myself
[12:29] <erigato> thoreauputic: i wanna move my ubuntu on a new drive
[12:30] <thoreauputic> erigato: I gathered ;)
[12:30] <erigato> thoreauputic: huh? gathered?
[12:30] <casperl> bob2: thanks for the advice.  xclip looks like the right utility for the job of autopasting
[12:30] <evo> umm do the Contents-<arch>.gz files contain all files present in the universe repository packages?
[12:31] <thoreauputic> *sigh* I assumed that was what you wanted to do given your other questions
[12:32] <thespiritoftal> when I connect to a server at amule it says "Your 4662 port is not reachable. Please review your network config." can someone help me with that?
[12:32] <eth42> hi! I want to upgrade evince from 0.1.9 (shipped with Ubuntu 5.04) to 0.3.2
[12:32] <eth42> how
[12:32] <thoreauputic> erigato: dict gathered: >> To derive, or deduce, as an inference; <snip>
[12:33] <erigato> thoreauputic: oh yeah
[12:34] <rapha> Hi all!
[12:34] <rapha> Anybody have luck compiling Cowbell under Hoary?
[12:36] <thoreauputic> rapha: wtf is cowbell ? Sounds like something from a kid's story... *grin*
[12:37] <bob2> eth42: you're best waiting until breezy releases
[12:37] <rapha> thoreauputic: http://more-cowbell.org/ ... dang cool music manager
[12:37] <thoreauputic> rapha: ah I see :)
[12:37] <rapha> thoreauputic: But trying to compile it, I get "`Glade.XML' does not contain a definition for `CustomHandler'"
[12:38] <phosphorgreen> hello all
[12:38] <phosphorgreen> any1 here help me with an unusual grub query?
[12:38] <phosphorgreen> i have 1 ide drive (/dev/hda1) and one sata drive (/dev/sda1)
[12:38] <phosphorgreen> i boot linux from the primary drive (/dev/sda1), through grub.
[12:39] <eth42> bob2: mhhh, but I can't print Postscript files, and I want to get to know whether this is an evince bug, or something particular to Hoary, or to my PS files...
[12:39] <phosphorgreen> i need to add win2k (on /dev/hda1) to the menu.lst but I don't know which hd number it should be. I thought it would be hd1,0 but i seem to be wrong
[12:39] <eth42> bob2: could you perhaps test it on your system whether printing PostScript files from evince works or not?
[12:39] <bob2> no, sorry
[12:40] <bob2> you could compile a more recent evince, perhaps
[12:40] <bob2> if it doesn't have too many dependencies (tho I think it does)
[12:40] <Seveas> phosphorgreen, if sda1 is hd0,0 and you have no sdb, hda1 is hd1,0
[12:40] <thoreauputic> phosphorgreen: in grub-speak the first hd is hd0
[12:41] <phosphorgreen> yeah thats what i thought
[12:41] <phosphorgreen> title       Windows 2000
[12:41] <phosphorgreen> root        (hd1,0)
[12:41] <phosphorgreen> makeactive
[12:41] <phosphorgreen> chainloader +1
[12:41] <Seveas> phosphorgreen, please don't paste in here...
[12:41] <SniperPT> every time in restart pc i need connect to my Router (ifconfig ath0 up / dhclient ath0).. how i can do that whithout needed my hand?
[12:41] <phosphorgreen> that's the part for win2k in my grub - it doesn't like it
[12:41] <phosphorgreen> ok Seveas
[12:41] <Seveas> but that looks ok...
[12:41] <Seveas> what error does grub spit at you?
[12:42] <phosphorgreen> something like not finding active drive or something
[12:42] <phosphorgreen> if i remove my sata drive from the mobo and use just the ide drive it boots win2k fine
[12:42] <Seveas> with grub?
[12:42] <bob2> SniperPT: (echo auto ath0 ; echo iface ath0 inet dhcp ) | sudo tee -a /etc/network/interfaces
[12:43] <bob2> UltraVires: can you not?
[12:43] <phosphorgreen> yeah
[12:43] <phosphorgreen> no
[12:43] <phosphorgreen> sorry
[12:43] <Seveas> phosphorgreen, ah ok :)
[12:43] <phosphorgreen> just win2k
[12:43] <phosphorgreen> i don't have grub on the windows drive
[12:43] <phosphorgreen> grub is on mbr on sata drive
[12:45] <SniperPT> bob2: i must tun "echo auto ath0" after "echo iface ath0 inet dhcp" after "sudo tee -a /etc/network/interfaces" ... correct?
[12:45] <bob2> no
[12:45] <bob2> run the command I just gave you
[12:45] <Whisky_> I uninstalled xserver-xorg because it wont reconfigure :|
[12:46] <bob2> that was a terrible move
[12:46] <Whisky_> :S
[12:46] <liable> Whisky_: you give up on debian already?
[12:47] <Whisky_> liable, lol no i just got the free Ubuntu CD's, just trying....Debian rocks all the way =)
[12:47] <IIIEars> apt-get instal ubuntu-desktop will fix xog if it was removed won't it?
[12:47] <liable> Whisky_: sweet, gotta love those free cd's :)
[12:47] <IIIEars> *xorg
[12:47] <Whisky_> IIIEars, installing already
[12:48] <Whisky_> liable, yup, im hoping to get my dad to install ubunty =D
[12:48] <Whisky_> ubuntu*
[12:48] <liable> Whisky_: good idea.
[12:48] <eth42> could anyone of you check whether printing PostScript files from evince works?
[12:48] <Whisky_> now how do i reconfigure xorg to set my screen resolution to 1024*768 ?
[12:50] <Seveas> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:50] <Seveas> :)
[12:50] <Seveas> or edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf manually and add that resolution
[12:50] <Whisky_> ahh i was trying dpkg --reconfigure and it was giving me errors =p
[12:50] <Seveas> lol
[12:50] <bob2> er
[12:50] <bob2> when you get errors, it's best to ask about them
[12:50] <IIIEars> UltraVires - gave me a nice CTCP - anyone else?
[12:50] <bob2> rather than going off and using nuclear weapons on your system
[12:50] <bob2> especially when the error is "that option doesn't exist"
[12:51] <Whisky_> lol :p
[12:52] <Seveas> oh no
[12:52] <Seveas> ChurcH_of_FoamY, is back
[12:53] <Whisky_> ok my display's all set!
[12:53] <Whisky_> planning to install kde from debian's disc =p
[12:54] <Seveas> Whisky_, bad move
[12:54] <Seveas> install it from Ubuntu
[12:54] <liable> Whisky_: why?
[12:54] <Whisky_> Seveas, why? :S
[12:54] <Whisky_> liable, it isnt there on Ubuntu's disc :/
[12:54] <Seveas> mixing debian and ubuntu packages might very well lead to errors....
[12:54] <liable> Whisky_: thats silly, use ubuntu packages.
[12:54] <Belutz> firefox is fixed????
[12:54] <Seveas> Belutz, yes
[12:54] <Whisky_> liable, u mean i have to download it :|
[12:54] <Belutz> Seveas: hoorayyyyyy
[12:55] <Belutz> Seveas: i should uninstall first?
[12:55] <Seveas> nope
[12:55] <Belutz> Seveas: just update it?
[12:55] <Seveas> yep :)
[12:55] <Belutz> ok :D
[12:55] <Whisky_> Seveas, I have to download KDE rather than installing it from Debian's discs coz it isnt there on Ubuntu's ?
[12:56] <Seveas> Whisky_, yo should have gotten yourself a Kubuntu disc then :)
[12:56] <Belutz> i'm more excited to know that firefox is fixed than looking at beautiful girl.... what a weird man i am... LOL
[12:56] <Whisky_> Seveas, i'm glad these free CD's even got here to Pakistan =)
[12:57] <Belutz> i haven't got my free CD's :(
[12:57] <Whisky_> lololololol what country ?
[12:57] <Belutz> Indonesia
[12:57] <Whisky_> heh
[12:58] <Seveas> they are sending out 100.000 cd's per week
[12:58] <Seveas> little over 2 million hoary cd's so far
[12:58] <Belutz> i only order 10, and i will give 9 of them to my friends, to force them to use ubuntu.... *evil grin*
[12:58] <Whisky_> heh
[12:59] <mjr> reminds me, gotta distribute my 30 sets around the university
[12:59] <mjr> or well, at least the department
[12:59] <Whisky_> ok here goes nothing....installing kde from debian discs.....cant be bothered to download whole KDE (just downloaded 3.4.1 for Debian last night on Dialup)
[12:59] <Belutz> if i'm hired to be an IT lecturer in my campus, i'll propose to use linux in the comp lab.... *more evil grin*
[01:00] <SniperPT> bob2: back to my first question... i need to upgrade to the subversion 1.2.1... can you help me with that?
[01:00] <bob2> no
[01:00] <Belutz> Seveas: do you know when the update for thunderbird will be available?
[01:00] <bob2> upgrading the client and server is trivial
[01:01] <bob2> upgrading the apache module is not
[01:01] <Seveas> Belutz, 'soon'
[01:01] <Belutz> Seveas: ok, i'll be waiting hehehe
[01:01] <Kejk_PL> when it will be ready :)
[01:02] <Belutz> anyone know why my weather applet is not working?
[01:02] <SniperPT> bob2: ok
[01:02] <SniperPT> bob2: thanks anyway
[01:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> bob2 theres a whole boat load of updates for the new ubuntu install i did are they safe?
[01:03] <bob2> from security, yes
[01:05] <trevi> How do you call a Ubuntu user ... Ubunter?
[01:05] <nofear> hey has anyone ells had problems with installing ati drivers in the newest ver of ubuntu?
[01:05] <Seveas> Ubuntite
[01:05] <toowoomba> genius?
[01:05] <Belutz> ubuntite? hehehehehe
[01:05] <trevi> more less
[01:05] <Seveas> nofear, in hoary the ubuntu-provided ati drivers work fine
[01:06] <nofear> not for me the fps are really slow
[01:06] <Whisky_> why? why? whyyy? why does my cdrom get unmounted in the middle of an install using apt-get install kdesktop ?
[01:06] <nofear> 300
[01:06] <nofear> fps
[01:06] <nofear> should be getting over 3000 lol
[01:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know if the updates in ubuntu update manager are safe to install?
[01:07] <toowoomba> firefox?
[01:07] <xuniluser> Hi guys! Aside from Anjuta, is there a similar Software Development Tool for Gnome and KDE? I mean, what did mozilla developers use in creating firefox and other GUI programs?
[01:07] <toowoomba> vi?
[01:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> ChurcH_of_FoamY: do you have backports enabled?
[01:08] <igge> xuniluser: eclipse?
[01:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nope
[01:08] <nofear> [Message]  Kernel Module : Trying to install a precompiled kernel module.
[01:08] <nofear> [Message]  Kernel Module : Precompiled kernel module version mismatched.
[01:08] <nofear> [Error]  Kernel Module : No kernel module build environment - please consult rea$
[01:08] <xuniluser> hehehehe :) i mean with Anjuta-like features...
[01:08] <nofear> thats error i get
[01:08] <nofear> lol
[01:08] <nofear> tryed using the installer off ati's website
[01:08] <j2dope> hi. is there a command to restart whatever app/module/whatever controls my network?
[01:08] <Seveas> nofear, aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:08] <xuniluser> igge: is eclipse capable of Code-generation and GUI Editing?
[01:08] <Seveas> nofear, use the ubuntu-provided drivers by the way
[01:08] <Seveas> not the ati.com drivers
[01:08] <j2dope> i find that once i lose connection to my wireless network, i can't start it up again without rebooting!
[01:09] <igge> xuniluser: no it's not, it's just an IDE
[01:09] <toowoomba> j2dope: ifconfig?
[01:09] <nofear> ok gimme min i'll try again
[01:09] <xuniluser> igge: oic...
[01:09] <igge> xuniluser: glade is for GUI editing for GTK
[01:09] <nofear> cd
[01:09] <nofear> iios
[01:09] <nofear> oops
[01:09] <xuniluser> igge: how about for kde?
[01:10] <toowoomba> isn't there a qt designer?
[01:10] <igge> xuniluser: qtdesigner
[01:10] <nofear> brb
[01:10] <igge> because I think that all kde stuff is made using qt... (right?)
[01:10] <xuniluser> igge: oic ok thanks
[01:10] <xuniluser> thanks a lot
[01:10] <toowoomba> shame about qt licencing :)
[01:12] <igge> is there really no package for eclipse? (or is it just me how hasn't enabled the right thing)
[01:12] <timl> igge: it exists in universe
[01:12] <timl> apt-cache search eclipse should bring it up for you
[01:13] <timl> oh, universe in breezy, not sure about hoary
[01:14] <igge> hm.. but when I search in Synaptic I only find eclipse-nls-sdk
[01:14] <igge> and I have all repositories enabled
[01:16] <timl> igge: could you paste you /etc/atp/sources.list in a pastebin for us?
[01:16] <igge> timl: ok hang on
[01:16] <eth42> I've got confirmation that evince 0.1.9 (shipped with Hoary) has a bug (can't print PostScript files), and that it seems to be fixed in 0.3.2 has not; should the bug be filed in bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org, just to get it known?
[01:17] <Whisky_> Why doesnt KDE come on Ubuntu's disc?
[01:17] <igge> heh.... hm.... cat: /etc/atp/sources.list: No such file or directory
[01:17] <timl> sorry, apt, not atp
[01:17] <igge> ah.. ok..
[01:18] <Belutz> Whisky_: maybe it's because there's an ubuntu and kubuntu
[01:18] <bob2> Whisky_: because it won't fit
[01:18] <igge> timl: http://pastebin.com/320974
[01:19] <timl> igge: ok, I think the problem might be that eclipse doesn't exist in hoary
[01:19] <timl> it does however exist in breezy
[01:20] <sexcopter8000m> yay, they've sorted the backporting thingie in firefox \o/
[01:20] <timl> there are ways and means of getting a package from breezy while keeping everything else at hoary, but someone else will have to explain that to you
[01:20] <igge> timl: ok...
[01:20] <igge> timl: or can I activate some other debian repository and get it from there?
[01:21] <igge> i'm a debian/ubuntu newbie but used to fedora...
[01:21] <timl> you probably could do that, but again, I wouldn't want to be the one to tak eyou through it, i havn't done enough of that kind of thing
[01:21] <timl> and I wouldn't want to break your system
[01:22] <igge> timl: ok
[01:23] <Seveas> mixing breezy and hoary is also tricky business
[01:23] <Seveas> there have been heaps of transitions going on
[01:23] <SniperPT> o want what is the version of neon (that is one example)... what command i run?
[01:23] <igge> ok ok...
[01:23] <Sionide> is breezy usable at the moment??
[01:24] <bob2> no
[01:24] <Lambda-> sorry if this sounds really noob, how can i set up apt-get to be able to download packages of the net without affecting the auto updates
[01:24] <thoreauputic> Sionide:  /topic
[01:24] <Sionide> ooh missed that, i did read it - but not that bit! :P
[01:24] <igge> so what would you gus suggest if I want to install eclipse?
[01:24] <bob2> Lambda-: it's already configured to do that
[01:24] <MyQe7> hello
[01:25] <Whisky_> i've really screwed things up now after trying to install kde from the debian disc. someone please have a look at this: http://pastebin.com/320977
[01:25] <trevi> what can I use for editin' home videos?
[01:25] <thoreauputic> Lambda-: apt won't affect that at all - auto update is based on the same thing
[01:25] <Lambda-> oh ok
[01:25] <Lambda-> so there is no more sources i need to add?
[01:26] <MyQe7> evry time i aptget update i get this err:"Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary-security_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)". its allmost a two weeks that i resive this err
[01:26] <MyQe7> can i fix it?
[01:26] <Seveas> Lambda-: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[01:26] <thoreauputic> !repos
[01:26] <ubotu> rumour has it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:26] <Seveas> MyQe7, sudo apt-get update
[01:26] <Lambda-> Seveas, ta
[01:26] <SniperPT> bob2: can i use that http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/subversion ?
[01:26] <thoreauputic> Lambda-: read about repos at ubotu's URL
[01:26] <MyQe7> i resive ths err when i do apt-get update
[01:26] <bob2> SniperPT: no
[01:26] <MyQe7> Seveas,
[01:26] <Whisky_> http://pastebin.com/320977
[01:27] <Seveas> MyQe7, that cannot be the complete error then....
[01:27] <bob2> not without potentially causing problems, anyway
[01:27] <MyQe7> well it is
[01:27] <Seveas> MyQe7, paste the complete output on a pastebin please
[01:27] <MyQe7> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary-security_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:27] <MyQe7> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary-security_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:27] <bob2> MyQe7: sudo apt-get update
[01:27] <MyQe7> thanks
[01:27] <Seveas> and do NOT paste large or many lines in her
[01:27] <bob2> and don't paste things in here, please
[01:27] <Seveas> here*
[01:27] <Belutz> Seveas: do you know an application that can open .vsd ? (visio files)
[01:27] <MyQe7> i resive this err when i sudo apt-get update
[01:28] <Seveas> MyQe7, paste the complete output on a pastebin please
[01:28] <Seveas> Belutz, nope
[01:28] <Belutz> Seveas: ic, thx :)
[01:28] <MyQe7> okay can u plz gemme a link to pastbin ?
[01:28] <MyQe7> got it
[01:28] <Seveas> MyQe7, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:29] <SniperPT> bob2: sorry asking many times about the same... but i'm using the simple command "svn add xyz" and after addung 2-3 files it's return "Segmention fault"... i have talk in svn IRC channel and to solve they say to upgrade
[01:29] <bob2> that's a pretty terrible bug to make it into a stable release
[01:30] <MyQe7> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/777 Seveas  =] 
[01:30] <bob2> I'd just upgrade the client and svnserver
[01:30] <MyQe7> thanks
[01:30] <Whisky_> bob2, can you please have a look at http://pastebin.com/320977 ?
[01:30] <Seveas> MyQe7, Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[01:30] <Seveas> THAT is the error
[01:30] <Seveas> so there were more errors...
[01:31] <SniperPT> bob2: and how is the better way do upgrade client and server (don't forget... i'm newbie :S)
[01:31] <Seveas> MyQe7, wait for a bit, this is an error at the server that occurs sometimes and usually is resolved automatically
[01:31] <bob2> Whisky_: paste /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[01:31] <Whisky_> k
[01:31] <MyQe7> okay =\ sorry =\
[01:31] <bob2> SniperPT: no, I wouldn\'t upgrade the apache module at all
[01:31] <cantrel29> hello, when i mount a windows share, where do I find that folder in my filesystem hierarchy
[01:31] <SniperPT> bob2: now i will forget the apache module
[01:31] <Seveas> cantrel29, you specify that when you mount it....
[01:31] <rob^> cantrel29, where ever you mounted it
[01:32] <bob2> SniperPT: but for the rest, download the source from subversion.tigris.org and follow the build instructions
[01:32] <Seveas> cantrel29, how did you mount it?
[01:32] <cantrel29> using connect to server
[01:32] <rob^> cantrel29, on your desktop usually
[01:32] <rob^> cantrel29, should also be listed under the Places menu
[01:32] <bob2> SniperPT: "sudo apt-get install build-essential ; sudo apt-get build-dep subversion" will install all the packages you need to build it
[01:32] <cantrel29> it appears on my desktop, but when i browse my filesystem in nautilus i can't see it there
[01:33] <MyQe7> i have paste it on #floods
[01:33] <bob2> cantrel29: it's not mounted anywhere
[01:33] <MyQe7> =] 
[01:33] <SniperPT> bob2: and i must remove the current version of subversion?
[01:33] <bob2> SniperPT: no, you can leave it
[01:33] <MyQe7> Seveas,  i resive this err for two weeks strate
[01:33] <Whisky_> bob2, I hope you got to see my lines in that huge flood =)
[01:34] <rob^> cantrel29, it doesn't mount it in the normal sence
[01:34] <rob^> sense  ^
[01:34] <bob2> Whisky_: that's all you have?
[01:34] <Whisky_> bob2, well hang....
[01:34] <cantrel29> the problem I have is that I wan't to burn an iso using gnomebaker that sits on this share.  when i try and select the iso I can't see the share folder.
[01:35] <fitz_> hey, I have a dvd data disc and when it gets mounted the cd-creation dialog appears and no data is shown as being on the disc
[01:35] <rob^> cantrel29, you need to copy the files from that share to somewhere local on your pc
[01:35] <bob2> fitz_: that means it think it is empty
[01:35] <fitz_> yea, but why
[01:35] <fitz_> I know its has stuff
[01:36] <fitz_> its a retail copy of unreal 2k4
[01:36] <bob2> check on another machine
[01:36] <cantrel29> rob: why can you not see a share in nautilus?
[01:36] <rob^> cantrel29, because its not mounted anywhere
[01:36] <pepp> I have no sound while playing wmv files in mplayer
[01:36] <rob^> its just like a short-cut, not an actual "mount"
[01:37] <fitz_> I know this disc is good
[01:37] <cantrel29> ok. on windows, you can map a network drive. is there a similar process on linux?
[01:37] <fitz_> it even loads up in vmware
[01:37] <thoreauputic> pepp: have you installed w32codecs ?
[01:37] <Whisky_> bob2, that's all I hav..
[01:37] <Whisky_> have*
[01:37] <rob^> cantrel29, yes, it depends what the share is using
[01:38] <rob^> cantrel29, there are hacks around for ftp shares etc, but I haven't got any of them to work
[01:38] <pepp> thoreauputic: I got all the codecs , the essential package from mplayer site
[01:38] <pepp> and i compiled the program
[01:38] <rob^> if its a smb (windows) or nfs share, sure
[01:38] <bob2> Whisky_: remove # fro mthe beginning of the # deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted" line
[01:38] <Whisky_> liable, look at #flood
[01:38] <Whisky_> bob2, k
[01:39] <thoreauputic> pepp: I don't know why you compiled it when it's available in the multiverse repo
[01:39] <Sionide> anyone here good with xorg.conf files for dual mons?? :P
[01:39] <pepp> Thoreauputic: I compiled it because it doesn't come with codecs to play wmv
[01:39] <rob^> cantrel29, in fact if it is a smb (windows) or nfs share, you can mount them using the mount command
[01:39] <pepp> And to install those codecs you need to compile
[01:39] <thoreauputic> pepp: umm.. you can get those too
[01:39] <thoreauputic> !restricted
[01:39] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:39] <rob^> no need to compile..
[01:40] <thoreauputic> pepp: you just install w32codecs from hoary extras
[01:40] <pepp> Thoreauputic: You can't get those. w32codecs fails to install
[01:40] <thoreauputic> pepp: then how did I get them?
[01:40] <pepp> When did you get them?
[01:41] <lesshaste> is there a recommended way to install the latest bleeding edge kernel in ubuntu?
[01:41] <pepp> Paste your sources.list file at nopaste
[01:41] <thoreauputic> some time ago
[01:41] <rob^> lesshaste, why?
[01:41] <thoreauputic> pepp: just read the restricted formats wiki
[01:42] <lesshaste> rob^, I think I need it
[01:42] <lesshaste> rob^, or to be more accurate... will need it
[01:42] <rob^> lesshaste, unless there you have a piece of hardware thats only supported in the latest kernel, there is no need
[01:42] <lesshaste> rob^, exactly.. that's me
[01:42] <rob^> ah
[01:42] <rob^> hang on
[01:42] <pepp> thoreauputic: that information is old at wiki
[01:42] <lesshaste> rob^, actually.. the motherboard :)
[01:42] <pepp> it doesn't work.
[01:43] <rob^> lesshaste, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[01:43] <lesshaste> rob^, http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=RS480M2-IL&class=mb needs the latest cutting edge I understand
[01:43] <lesshaste> rob^, thx
[01:43] <rob^> np
[01:43] <lesshaste> I can't just install a breezy kernel?
[01:44] <rob^> I wouldnt
[01:45] <lesshaste> ok
[01:46] <lesshaste> rob^, sorry to be such an ubuntu n00b but is there somewhere that packages newer kernels for ubuntu? Can I just use any kernel .deb I find?
[01:46] <bob2> no, that's a bad idea
[01:46] <bob2> why do you want a newer on?
[01:46] <rob^> hes mobo
[01:46] <rob^> doh
[01:46] <lesshaste> rob^, http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=RS480M2-IL&class=mb needs the latest cutting edge I understand
[01:46] <lesshaste> oops
[01:46] <lesshaste> for bob2
[01:47] <rob^> bob2, hardware support on his mobo
[01:47] <Kosiko> Hi everybody! Could anyone give me a hint how to make my kmail send mails? I just don't get it, tried a lot, also read a lot... :-(
[01:47] <rob^> lesshaste, do you know that the latest kernel actually supports that mobo yet?
[01:47] <Lambda-> how can i edit a config file that need root privelegies?
[01:47] <bob2> Kosiko: configure it to use your isp's mail server
[01:47] <rob^> Lambda-, sudo vim (file)
[01:47] <bob2> Lambda-: sudo gedit /path/to/file
[01:48] <Lambda-> i can't use vim
[01:48] <Lambda-> kk
[01:48] <lesshaste> rob^, I have read a very long blog about this. Basically things improve as you go up through the kernel versions.  It stops before 2.6.13rc3 but I can only try
[01:48] <bob2> I'd stronly recommend just using ubuntu kernels
[01:48] <bob2> and see how it goes
[01:48] <Kosiko> @bob2: Did that, kmail is able to contact, but I always get the error wrong username or password, with all my accounts, receiving is possible...
[01:48] <Neon1024> does ubuntu support dual monitors per chance ? horizontal span ideally ?
[01:48] <sebest> kosiko: did you creat an identity first
[01:48] <bob2> Neon1024: of course
[01:49] <Neon1024> great
[01:49] <rob^> lesshaste, well you could try that wiki if you really have to, but like bob2 said, try normal kernels first
[01:49] <Neon1024> thats settled then
[01:49] <lesshaste> bob2, sure... why are you strongly against compiling new kernels
[01:49] <lesshaste> rob^, will do
[01:49] <Neon1024> my first ever forray into linux will be with Ubuntu
[01:49] <Raskall> is the only way to install breezy now to install hoary and dist-upgrade?
[01:49] <Neon1024> heres to hoping :)
[01:49] <bob2> lesshaste: because it's a massive pain in the arse
[01:49] <lesshaste> bob2, Is that ubuntu specific?
[01:49] <bob2> Raskall: do you know how to fix X in breezy?
[01:49] <bob2> lesshaste: no
[01:49] <lesshaste> bob2, I have compiled many on other distros
[01:49] <rob^> Raskall, dont use breezy
[01:49] <lesshaste> but I am new to ubuntu
[01:49] <Kosiko> @sebest: I am not sure anymore, but meanwhile I deleted everything, made first my accounts and then the identity, always the same error...
[01:49] <sebest> kosiko: i remember having this kind of problem because i didn't setup my identity: name, email adress
[01:50] <Seveas> lesshaste, why would you want to compile your own kernel..?
[01:50] <Raskall> bob2, rob^: just got my vmware license. would like to play with breezy
[01:50] <sebest> kosiko check it
[01:50] <rob^> Raskall, X is broken in breezy atm
[01:50] <lesshaste> Seveas, to upgrade past what is provided by the distro
[01:50] <lesshaste> Seveas, to add feature/patches not included in the distro kernel
[01:50] <Raskall> rob^: how broken?
[01:50] <rob^> Seveas, we just went through that :P
[01:50] <Seveas> lesshaste, such as..?
[01:50] <Seveas> ah ok
[01:50] <bob2> lesshaste: e.g. ubuntu ships a bunch of extra prebuilt modules (nvidia, ati, intel wireless) that you'd have to rebuild by hand if you use a different kernel
[01:50] <lesshaste> Seveas, in this case because the motherboard needs it :)
[01:51] <lesshaste> bob2, right.  That is a pain
[01:51] <HollowFrank> someone, please tell why xmms keeps telling me glib 1.2.2 isn't installed mere seconds after i just installed it
[01:51] <anacron> is cedega same as winex
[01:51] <rob^> Raskall, unless you know a lot about X, dont bother
[01:51] <bob2> Raskall: like not being installable broken
[01:51] <lesshaste> bob2, I need newer ati stuff than ubuntu provides too.
[01:51] <bob2> HollowFrank: because yo udidn't install it
[01:51] <incubii> because you did sacrifice a goat, HollowFrank
[01:51] <bob2> HollowFrank: you need libglib1.2-dev
[01:51] <Raskall> bob2: ok..
[01:51] <bob2> HollowFrank: also, xmms is already in ubuntu
[01:51] <lesshaste> bob2, unless there is some repository for cutting edge modules?
[01:51] <rob^> anacron, yes, same code base anyway
[01:51] <Kosiko> @sebest, right now it is configured, i was trying it to set it up in different order, but always the same error..
[01:52] <bob2> lesshaste: nope
[01:52] <lesshaste> bob2, ok... maybe I should move to gentoo :))
[01:52] <HollowFrank> if xmms was on here i wouldn't be trying to install it
[01:52] <bob2> HollowFrank: er, you of course need to install it
[01:52] <Raskall> well.. back to work.. (btw, gave away another 2 ubuntu cds today. that makes a total of 15 cds given away. and all of them has installed it)
[01:52] <bob2> HollowFrank: wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoryHowto
[01:52] <thoreauputic> HollowFrank: xmms installs seamlessly using apt or synaptic
[01:52] <sebest> kosiko: try to ask on a kde channel
[01:53] <incubii> im trying to get ubuntu into our servers
[01:53] <wizo> sup all
[01:53] <incubii> but its harrd fighting a SOE built on Fedora
[01:53] <rob^> incubii, ouch
[01:53] <Kosiko> @sebest: Thx! Do you have one on the hand?? :-)
[01:53] <rob^> incubii, I would look to Debian/Fedora for servers
[01:54] <sebest> kosiko: #kde or #kubuntu i guess
[01:54] <wizo> hey bob2, mu apache2 is running sweet
[01:54] <Kosiko> Thanks! Bye
[01:54] <wizo> my*
[01:54] <sebest> bye
[01:54] <pepp> thoreauputic: the thing is that xmms doens't play wmv
[01:54] <incubii> yeah i know, but i can hope
[01:54] <incubii> :P
[01:54] <wizo> pepp: search google, i downloaded some codec for wmv files
[01:54] <Seveas> pepp, codecs can be found at mplayerhq.hu
[01:54] <pepp> wizo: which one? and when was it?
[01:55] <wizo> oh wait, i think i downloaded codecs for wma files
[01:55] <anacron> is rpm's supported in ubuntu?
[01:55] <pepp> Seveas: I have those codecs.
[01:55] <Seveas> anacron, yes
[01:55] <wizo> my bad
[01:55] <rob^> anacron, yes, alien
[01:55] <incubii> i have a lab now so i can replicate our servers using debian
[01:55] <incubii> :D
[01:55] <incubii> exciting times
[01:55] <pepp> http://rafb.net/paste/results/gnA6sE85.html
[01:55] <pepp> Take a look at my error
[01:55] <anacron> ok thanks Seveas and rob^
[01:55] <sebest> anacron, use alien to convert rpm to deb
[01:55] <sebest> alien myrpm.rpm
[01:55] <rob^> anacron, np
[01:55] <thoreauputic> pepp: you can get wmv plugins for xmms, though why you'd bother I don't know: xine or mplyer with w32codecs will do it
[01:55] <Seveas> pepp: mplayer -ao esd
[01:56] <wizo> eek, my firefoz wont download
[01:56] <pepp> thoreauputic: I dont understand wher eyou get w32codecs from. Everytime I try to download those codecs it fails.
[01:56] <Seveas> pepp, or set ao=esd in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[01:56] <wizo> firefox*
[01:56] <trevi> What program can I use for editin' video??
[01:56] <incubii> mspaint
[01:56] <Seveas> wizo, use the firefox update from today
[01:56] <wizo> oo?
[01:56] <Seveas> it has been broken since last week and fixed since today
[01:56] <thoreauputic> pepp: because your mplayer is compiled and probably uses differnet dirs for codecs
[01:56] <wizo> hmm ok
[01:56] <wizo> i`ll try
[01:56] <se7enone> HELP! I cant boot my ubuntu machine! pivot_root: No such file or directory; /sbin/init: 428: cannot open dev/console: No such file; Kernel Panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init.
[01:57] <wizo> thx Seveas
[01:57] <rob^> trevi, Kino
[01:57] <bob2> se7enone: what did you change?
[01:57] <Seveas> se7enone, did you compile your own kernel?
[01:57] <pepp> Seveas: I tried killall -15 esd, then -ao esd,alsa,arts
[01:57] <trevi> thks rob
[01:57] <Seveas> pepp, that won't work
[01:57] <se7enone> i put my cdroms on one channel and hdds on another. they were mixed before, and very untidy inside the box
[01:57] <Seveas> if you first kill esd, you can't use it later
[01:58] <Seveas> se7enone, then you will need to reinstall grub
[01:58] <incubii> sif youd want it later anyway
[01:58] <se7enone> seveas: with the install disk?
[01:58] <Seveas> se7enone, follow the instructions on wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringGrubAfterInstallingWindows
[01:58] <wizo> Seveas, so i should uninstall firefox using synaptic, then install again?
[01:58] <pepp> thoreauputic: I am saying that *install* of w32codecs fail. You can't download it using anywhere from apt-get
[01:58] <Seveas> wizo, if you have used backports before: yes
[01:58] <se7enone> thx seveas
[01:58] <Seveas> otherwise: no
[01:58] <wizo> errrr
[01:58] <wizo> lost me at the backports part
[01:58] <Seveas> wizo, in that case: no
[01:58] <Seveas> :)
[01:59] <wizo> ok
[01:59] <wizo> so i uninstall and ?
[01:59] <pepp> I would like to see a sample sources.list file
[01:59] <Seveas> wizo, you don't even uninstall
[01:59] <Seveas> you simply upgrade :)
[01:59] <Seveas> pepp: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[01:59] <wizo> hmm ok
[01:59] <wizo> i think i might go try using the synaptic update thingy
[02:00] <thoreauputic> pepp: I just used the ones I already had installed from warty and the deb installed in /usr/lib/win32/
[02:00] <thoreauputic> pepp: works fine
[02:00] <mpmc> LOL...
[02:00] <bob2> s/,/;/
[02:00] <se7enone> seveas: that page does not exist yet...?
[02:00] <pepp> thoreauputic: from warty??
[02:00] <pepp> I am using hoary
[02:00] <mpmc> Ubuntu, Thinks my mp3 player is an Ipod :s
[02:01] <thoreauputic> pepp: so am I :)
[02:01] <Seveas> se7enone, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[02:01] <thoreauputic> pepp: codecs aren't programs - they just need to be where the mplayer can find them
[02:01] <se7enone> thx
[02:01] <pepp> thoreauputic: what is the line that you use in your sources.list. Sevenas the sources.list that you've pasted is identical to mine.
[02:02] <igge> anyone who can tell me how to use debian repositories in ubuntu?
[02:02] <Seveas> igge, don't :)
[02:02] <rob^> igge, dont
[02:02] <Seveas> mixing them up can cause badnesses
[02:02] <pepp> thoreauputic: you are right. I am going to install mplayer and w32codecs from apt-get
[02:02] <Seveas> what do you need that is not in Ubuntu?
[02:02] <igge> well... "essentially all of the software in Debian is also available in Ubuntu repositories, so there is no reason to mix the two" <-- it doesn't seem like it
[02:02] <pepp> if you tell me how you got w32codecs.
[02:02] <thoreauputic> pepp: I used to use the marillat ones - but I believe the codecs are now availble from backports in extras
[02:03] <Seveas> igge, you have to enable universe & multiverse for that line to become reality
[02:03] <se7enone> seveas: what if i don't have a live cd. only got the install disk
[02:03] <thoreauputic> pepp: see above
[02:03] <thoreauputic> !backports
[02:03] <ubotu> I heard backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[02:03] <Seveas> se7enone, boot the install cd with the rescue boot option
[02:03] <se7enone> ok
[02:03] <Seveas> se7enone, the rest is the same (mount -o bind a lot, chroot and install grub)
[02:03] <igge> i have found several apps available for debian but not for ubuntu, how can I install those? eclipse and valknut for example (I have universe and multiverse enabled, they are not there)
[02:04] <thoreauputic> pepp: I personally would use the backports only for the codecs and comment them out afterwards
[02:04] <Seveas> igge, valknut is called dcgui-qt
[02:04] <Seveas> eclipse -> wiki.ubuntu.com/Java (follow the links to eclipse instructions)
[02:05] <igge> ok trying
[02:05] <se7enone> seveas: will give it a try thanks
[02:05] <thoreauputic> pepp: BTW if you use apt-get for this, xine or totem-xine or gxine will find the codecs too
[02:05] <thoreauputic> and vlc as well
[02:06] <pepp> vlc doesn't
[02:06] <pepp> I've used vlc
[02:06] <scuderia_ferrari> how can i get kde?
[02:06] <thoreauputic> pepp: your experience evidently surpasses mine
[02:06] <pepp> By the way How do I uninstall all what my personal compiling has produced of mplayer?
[02:06] <mpmc> How do I format my usbdisk?
[02:07] <J_P> hi all
[02:07] <se7enone> seveas: just for the sake of my information, why would something like this happen in the 1st place?
[02:07] <scuderia_ferrari> hello
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> mpmc: what do you mean
[02:07] <J_P> people, in debian i search by kernel-image (apt-cache search kernel-image), and in ubuntu what is package name ?
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> mpmc: they come formatted, what do you want to do with it
[02:07] <scuderia_ferrari> how can i install kde on ubuntu?
[02:07] <mpmc> I want to format my mp3 player
[02:07] <Seveas> se7enone, because grub expects things to find in certain places. You moved things around by rearranging the disks so grub becomes confused
[02:07] <Belutz> scuderia_ferrari: installed the kubuntu-desktop
[02:07] <thoreauputic> pepp: find the files and delete them, unless there's a "make uninstall" in your build directory
[02:08] <pepp> thoreauputic: by the way if you notice therror i posted while running mplayer is not that it can't find codecs. The error is that  it can't open sound device.
[02:08] <scuderia_ferrari> ok
[02:08] <thoreauputic> pepp: i take it you didn't use checkinstall...
[02:08] <scuderia_ferrari> thanks
[02:08] <pepp> what is checkinstall?
[02:08] <mpmc> I want to format my MP3 player so I can add new songs
[02:08] <thoreauputic> pepp: well I thought seveas or bob2 answered that?
[02:08] <Belutz> scuderia_ferrari: np :)
[02:09] <lesshaste> bob2, some example problems :) http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/03/msg00849.html
[02:09] <pepp> I'll read on that donw worry. right now I simply desire to get this mplayer bug sorted out.
[02:09] <thoreauputic> pepp:  apt-cache show checkinstall
[02:09] <bob2> lesshaste: yes, but ubuntu's kernel is heavily patched compared to debians
[02:10] <mpmc> So.. How do I fornat my mp3 player?
[02:10] <pepp> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net  there you go thorea
[02:10] <mpmc> Its a stick mp3 player
[02:10] <bob2> don't. use. backports.
[02:11] <thoreauputic> pepp: use a mirror then
[02:11] <bob2> also, I believe their website explaisn that problem
[02:11] <lesshaste> bob2, right. and if you follow these threads they say that as you go up the 2.6.x ladder things get better
[02:11] <pepp> Whats the link?
[02:11] <mpmc> :'(
[02:11] <bob2> lesshaste: indeed
[02:12] <pain_meister> hello, I am purchasing a used laptop in a few days. I have my copy of 5.04 Ubuntu. Is there any particular brand which ubuntu will work better with? I apologize about the generality of the question
[02:13] <thoreauputic> pepp: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/  << note the warning in big red letters
[02:13] <mpmc> Ok.. How do I format a drive in the FAT FS.?
[02:13] <rob^> pain_meister, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopsSpec?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=Laptop&titlesearch=Titles
[02:13] <Whisky_> bob2, Done....uncommented that line and apt-get update done...took ages over dialup :[
[02:13] <igge> Seveas: dcgui-qt is version 0.3.2 in ubuntu but 0.3.7 in debian.. :( http://packages.debian.org/testing/net/valknut
[02:13] <thoreauputic> pepp: and i strongly suggest you only use backports to het your codecs
[02:13] <Whisky_> bob2, but sigh, still the same error
[02:13] <the--dud> http://www.linux-laptop.net/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryLaptop
[02:13] <thoreauputic> *get
[02:14] <pepp> http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ will this work?
[02:14] <se7enone> seveas: doesn't make any sense because the bios says the disks are still on the same channels
[02:14] <the--dud> check that pain_meister...
[02:14] <rob^> pain_meister, and also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingSpec
[02:14] <bob2> pain_meister: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryPMResults
[02:15] <Whisky_> :s
[02:15] <pain_meister> Thanks alot for the info
[02:15] <thoreauputic> pepp: can you read??
[02:15] <pepp> lol
[02:15] <bob2> Whisky_: paste it to #flood
[02:15] <pain_meister> I have some research to do thanks again
[02:15] <pepp> Actually I can't. I haven't slept in ages.
[02:16] <Whisky_> bob2, done...
[02:17] <bob2> Whisky_: "apt-cache policy ubuntu-desktop", #flood
[02:17] <thoreauputic> pepp: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[02:17] <Whisky_> bob2, done...
[02:18] <fdr> hi... please, how can I create an ubuntu installation floppy? A friend of mine needs that but I can't find any instructions
[02:18] <pepp> I am at that site and I am using the 2 mirror
[02:18] <pepp> public.planetmirror
[02:18] <bob2> fdr: pretty sure it's not possible
[02:18] <rob^> devios_, you know it worked when firefox reports 1.0.6 under the about dialog box :)
[02:19] <anacron> what is the difference between cedega and cedega cvs version (except cvs seems to be free one)
[02:19] <fdr> bob2: uh? my friend's laptop won't boot from the ubuntu cd... does that mean that he won't be able to install ubuntu ?
[02:19] <bob2> fdr: can it pxe boot?
[02:19] <bob2> anacron: it's missing various things
[02:19] <Whisky_> fdr, No, he can download it.
[02:19] <bob2> like playing copy protected games
[02:19] <Mezzair> Hello, I have a couple of questions if someone would like to help me :)
[02:19] <bob2> and there are no binaries
[02:20] <mpmc> I have an MP3 Player using (fat FS)... I want to be able to view delete the files. and then add to then... How?
[02:20] <devios_> emX: /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package firefox
[02:20] <devios_> emX: /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox-gnome-support_1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/libmozgnome.so', which is also in package firefox-gnome-support
[02:20] <fdr> bob2: it hangs right after saying "Loadking kernel" (or something like that, it was the very first message after grub)
[02:20] <anacron> bob2: but i can play copy protected games with "cd fixes" ;P
[02:20] <rob^> devios_, remove firefox first
[02:20] <pepp> thoreauputic: http://rafb.net/paste/results/d62xl256.html <-- take a look. I've been getting similar errors from ubuntu for almost one night now
[02:20] <bob2> fdr: are you sure the cd burnt correctly?
[02:21] <bob2> Whisky_: that's very odd, I don't know, sorry
[02:21] <devios_> when I try to remove firefox with synaptic, it automatically tries to upgrade mozilla-firefox.  I can't seem to do one then the other.
[02:21] <Whisky_> bob2, k :|
[02:21] <Whisky_> byeee
[02:21] <rob^> devios_, let it
[02:21] <Mezzair> I have an AMD64 proccessor, is it worth using the 64 bit version?
[02:21] <fdr> bob2: we tried with two different pressed CDs, which work fine on other computers
[02:21] <bob2> devios_: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends firefox ; sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[02:21] <Amaranth> Mezzair: Do you like flash or java?
[02:21] <thoreauputic> pepp: did you do apt-get update after adding backports?
[02:21] <bob2> Mezzair: do you care about binary junk? e.g. flash, windows dlls, windows software?
[02:22] <bob2> devios_: also, get rid of backports from your sources.list
[02:22] <Amaranth> oh, and wireless drivers
[02:22] <pepp> I changed the sources.lst it doesn't matter
[02:22] <bob2> only if you need ndiswrapper
[02:22] <bob2> which is only for broadcom and TI, really
[02:22] <anacron> d-link too
[02:23] <bob2> Mezzair: please don't /msg me
[02:23] <devios_> bob2: my backports are commented out
[02:23] <pepp> thoreauputic: By the way still the SAME error
[02:23] <bob2> just ask your question in the channel
[02:23] <Mezzair> Apologies bob2
[02:23] <thoreauputic> pepp: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on a pastebin and tell us the url
[02:23] <pepp> thoreauputic: I haven't been lying to you when i say that w32codecs are not apt-getable.
[02:24] <Mezzair> Yeah, so would you reccomend x86 or the 64, I am complete n00b to it, I only have a limmited knowlage of the command line.
[02:24] <bob2> Mezzair: do you care about those things or not?
[02:24] <pepp> http://rafb.net/paste/results/rgNAu067.html
[02:24] <thoreauputic> pepp: if that were so, we would have lots of people with your problem: we don't see that
[02:24] <bob2> that's basically waht it comes down to
[02:24] <Mezzair> Okay, what if I did care, what are the advatages of it?
[02:25] <thoreauputic> pepp: so I don't think you are lying, I think your sources list is wrong
[02:25] <pepp> One thing is sure, I dont like to compile mpllayer that takes 30 minutes each time I compile. I've already compiled it twice.
[02:25] <bob2> if yo udid care, you have to use the i386 port
[02:25] <bob2> which is slower and has the usual 32-bit system memory problems
[02:25] <pepp> thoreauputic whats incorrect about it?
[02:25] <Mezzair> Okay :) - also any adivce on dual booting, my laptop has just been deliverd so I want to get it wiped and setup from scratch
[02:26] <bob2> no need to wipe it
[02:26] <bob2> just use the ubuntu installer to shrink the windows partition
[02:26] <Mezzair> It needs a wipe anyway as it has come back from the repair depo
[02:26] <thoreauputic> pepp: wait a minute - i'm doing several things at once here
[02:26] <rob^> bob2, I dont remember seeing that feature
[02:27] <rob^> bob2, ie resize windows partitions
[02:27] <mpmc> Help, Anyone?
[02:27] <devios_> bob2: that command didn't work.  I had to sudo dpkg -P --force-depends firefox-gnome-support, then sudo dpkg -P --force-depends firefox, then use synaptic to fix broken packages, then upgrade mozilla-firefox and mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[02:27] <bob2> mpmc: if it was simple, it would have been automounted
[02:28] <bob2> devios_: ok, I have no idea what sort of mess the "backports" might have made
[02:28] <devios_> heh
[02:29] <pepp> thoreauputic: can you paste your sources.list?
[02:29] <mpmc> bob2: It auto mounted it the only problem is, I thought i had deleted the tracks, but when I tried to add tracks it hadn't deleted the files. and I cannot see the files..
[02:29] <Nameeater> !repo
[02:29] <ubotu> Nameeater: I don't know, could you explain it?
[02:29] <se7enone> I saw just now someone said not to use breezy yet. Why not?
[02:29] <Nameeater> hmm
[02:29] <bob2> mpmc: you're going to have to restart that
[02:29] <bob2> se7enone: because X doesn't install
[02:30] <bob2> mpmc: er, restate
[02:30] <se7enone> bob2: when is it due for release?
[02:30] <mpmc> Bob2: So.. I need to format using fat File System so I can add tracks.
[02:30] <bob2> se7enone: october
[02:30] <bob2> mpmc: I really doubt that
[02:31] <mpmc> Bob2: well.. The files are still on there, but it said it had deleted them :s
[02:31] <se7enone> bob2: what does mark shuttleworth have to do with ubuntu anyway?
[02:31] <bob2> mpmc: what does "I cannot see the files" mean?
[02:31] <bob2> se7enone: he founded canonical which founded and is funding ubuntu
[02:32] <mpmc> bob2: in the file browser, I see nothing... (and using Ls)..
[02:32] <se7enone> bob2: so he came up with the name then...?
[02:32] <bob2> mpmc: then in what sense where they "not deleted"
[02:32] <bob2> se7enone: yeah, he suggested it back in the day
[02:32] <thoreauputic> pepp: http://pastebin.com/321007
[02:32] <mpmc> bob2: because the space is all used up..
[02:33] <bob2> mpmc: umount it and unplug and replug it again
[02:33] <pepp> thoreauputic: can i comment the kubuntu? I am not using that.
[02:33] <concept10> could someone go here and let me know if you can access this page: http://ntarieo.ath.cx/
[02:33] <se7enone> bob2: quite an ambassador for my country...
[02:33] <IIIEars> bob2 - friend. - how many hours have you been at the keyboard?
[02:33] <thoreauputic> sure - and the cd=rom if you fon't use it
[02:33] <bob2> se7enone: heh, I saw an article in a SA newspaper about his new hairstyle
[02:33] <bob2> IIIEars: too many
[02:34] <se7enone> bob2: you in SA?
[02:34] <mpmc> Bob2: I have umounted it, and plugged it back in but it's not there any longer..
[02:34] <bob2> se7enone: no
[02:34] <thoreauputic> pepp: oops typo city...  cd-rom can be commented too
[02:34] <bob2> mpmc: as in it's not mounted?
[02:34] <mpmc> Bob2: Yes
[02:34] <se7enone> Is daar enige boere hier?
[02:34] <bob2> mpmc: mount it manually
[02:35] <mpmc> how lol.. I'm a noob, Bob :P
[02:35] <bob2> tail -f /var/log/messages
[02:35] <bob2> unplug
[02:35] <bob2> replug
[02:35] <bob2> paste output to @flood
[02:35] <bob2> and the output of "mount"
[02:35] <mpmc> Bob2: I did that.. but it's not mounted
[02:36] <ToRTuReD_X> t'was a complete failure
[02:36] <pepp> yeah i got that
[02:36] <ToRTuReD_X> ran the live cd and got excited at how great it looks
[02:36] <ToRTuReD_X> ran the setup and failed
[02:36] <ToRTuReD_X> :(
[02:36] <bob2> "failed"?
[02:36] <ToRTuReD_X> yeh
[02:36] <ToRTuReD_X> bsdutils can not be retrived
[02:36] <rob^> cd sounds shagged
[02:37] <mpmc> Bob2: How do I mount it manually uding the command line
[02:37] <pepp> Wow that worked. Thanks
[02:37] <ToRTuReD_X> got it on 2 cds
[02:37] <ToRTuReD_X> thank god i got 10
[02:37] <ToRTuReD_X> XD
[02:37] <thoreauputic> pepp: BTW don't be tempted to use the kanotix lines - they won't work
[02:37] <bob2> mpmc: first, you do what I suggested
[02:37] <bob2> actually, nevermind
[02:38] <mpmc> bob2: I did unplug, and replugged... It's not there.
[02:38] <ToRTuReD_X> arise my minion, arise!!
[02:38] <se7enone> is gnome2 available and can it be installed on hoary?
[02:38] <mpmc> I did that 3 times.
[02:38] <rob^> se7enone, its the default
[02:39] <rob^> 2.10 infact
[02:39] <ToRTuReD_X> problem is
[02:39] <ToRTuReD_X> i can't keep testing the cd's
[02:40] <mpmc> Bob2: Ok.. I did it.. I can see the drive. (I used mount -a)
[02:40] <ToRTuReD_X> i've formatted my machine 7 times today
[02:40] <ToRTuReD_X> ;_;
[02:40] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, just try another one
[02:40] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, dud cds happen
[02:40] <ToRTuReD_X> anyway of checkin the cd's to see if they are screwed?
[02:40] <rob^> umm md5sum
[02:40] <ToRTuReD_X> erm
[02:40] <pepp> thoreauputic: I am not. By the way what version of mplayer did you get 586 /stable?
[02:40] <ToRTuReD_X> yeh
[02:40] <ToRTuReD_X> little more info
[02:40] <ToRTuReD_X> ;p
[02:40] <rob^> just try another one..
[02:41] <ToRTuReD_X> dude
[02:41] <mpmc> Bob2: I see nothing in the Drive.
[02:41] <ToRTuReD_X> that means ANOTHER format
[02:41] <ToRTuReD_X> ;_;
[02:41] <mpmc> <_<
[02:41] <thoreauputic> pepp: 586 I got I think - i have a celeron 2 Ghz
[02:41] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, use the exisiting partitions, just select format during install
[02:41] <rob^> takes like 2 seconds
[02:42] <ToRTuReD_X> rob i know that
[02:42] <ToRTuReD_X> but if it fails
[02:42] <ToRTuReD_X> it means an hour reinstalling windows xp
[02:42] <ToRTuReD_X> -_-
[02:42] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, patience is virtue
[02:42] <ToRTuReD_X> indeed it is
[02:42] <ToRTuReD_X> and anger is a sin
[02:42] <ToRTuReD_X> so guess you can call me a virtuous sinner
[02:42] <rob^> an hour installing XP?
[02:42] <ToRTuReD_X> yeh
[02:43] <rob^> why?
[02:43] <ToRTuReD_X> well installing and setting it up the way i like it
[02:43] <ToRTuReD_X> ;/
[02:43] <rob^> just leave it alone during install
[02:43] <dmoyne> I am still sweeting at installing a LAN printer usable by a Windows 2000 computer connected to the LAN ; apparently the computer says it does have permission to use the printer
[02:43] <rob^> once you have done it once, it should be ok
[02:43] <bob2> mpmc: then it's not mounted
[02:43] <ToRTuReD_X> also
[02:44] <ToRTuReD_X> how would i install a hp psc 2410 printer?
[02:44] <J_P> people, in debian i search by kernel-image (apt-cache search kernel-image), and in ubuntu what is package name ?
[02:44] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, System -> Administration -> Printers
[02:44] <thoreauputic> J_P: linux-image
[02:44] <ToRTuReD_X> ahaha
[02:44] <ToRTuReD_X> cool
[02:44] <ToRTuReD_X> ok
[02:44] <rob^> s/printers/printing
[02:44] <ToRTuReD_X> spose i can give another format a go
[02:45] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, just leave the XP partition
[02:45] <ToRTuReD_X> erm rob
[02:45] <ToRTuReD_X> 2 hard drives
[02:45] <rob^> format the ubuntu and swap only
[02:45] <ToRTuReD_X> one is full
[02:45] <ToRTuReD_X> the other is xp
[02:45] <mpmc> Can anyone tell me if.. I can format my USB Drive
[02:45] <rob^> well, leave the XP hd then
[02:45] <rob^> dont format it
[02:45] <ToRTuReD_X> not formatting the other
[02:45] <ToRTuReD_X> dude 60gb of webdesign, gaming and well porn and anime
[02:46] <ToRTuReD_X> hmm
[02:46] <ToRTuReD_X> partition magic to the rescue!
[02:46] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, I think your missing my point
[02:46] <mpmc> Please anyone?
[02:46] <wizo> why does my totem always lag when i try to watch a CD
[02:46] <mpmc> Partition Magic Is Evil!
[02:47] <ToRTuReD_X> how so rob?
[02:47] <wizo> so annoying
[02:47] <thoreauputic> wizo: is DMA enabled for  your CD drive?
[02:47] <rob^> wherever XP is, dont format it, just set up your ubuntu partition around it (resize it if nessassary)
[02:47] <wizo> hmm
[02:47] <wizo> when i try it it gives me some error =/
[02:48] <ToRTuReD_X> hehe
[02:48] <ToRTuReD_X> rob
[02:48] <rob^> you only have to install XP once, not every time you install ubuntu
[02:48] <ToRTuReD_X> no idea how to
[02:48] <ToRTuReD_X> ;/
[02:48] <thoreauputic> wizo: could you possibly be a bit vaguer? *grin*
[02:48] <wizo> hang on
[02:48] <vanhack> hi there, I am using ubuntu live version, so far so good.
[02:48] <wizo> getting the errors
[02:48] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, is XP and ubuntu on the same drive?
[02:49] <ToRTuReD_X> erm
[02:49] <ToRTuReD_X> XP is by itself
[02:49] <rob^> (or is that what you want?)
[02:49] <ToRTuReD_X> ubuntu is bein installed
[02:49] <wizo> erm wads the drive name to type in for the CD rom?
[02:49] <rob^> a hard drive is broken up into partitions
[02:49] <wizo> issit /media/cdrom0?
[02:49] <thoreauputic> wizo: that's the mount point
[02:49] <ToRTuReD_X> not ine
[02:49] <ToRTuReD_X> lol
[02:49] <rob^> you can shrink the XP partition and install ubuntu to a new partition on the same hard drive in the free space
[02:50] <ToRTuReD_X> mine's a single partition with winxp
[02:50] <ToRTuReD_X> hmm
[02:50] <ToRTuReD_X> ok
[02:50] <ToRTuReD_X> i'm gonna need a guide to print
[02:50] <thoreauputic> wizo: the device is (probably) /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd
[02:50] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, hang on
[02:50] <wizo> ahhh
[02:50] <ToRTuReD_X> k
[02:50] <wizo> hdc
[02:50] <wizo> i was trying hdcd
[02:50] <vanhack> hi there
[02:50] <wizo> >.<
[02:50] <wizo> ok juz set it up now, im gonna go try again
[02:50] <ToRTuReD_X> hi
[02:51] <wizo> thx thoreauputic
[02:51] <thoreauputic> wizo: :)
[02:51] <ToRTuReD_X> how you like it so far vanhack?
[02:52] <vanhack> Thus far it is a good distro, have tried Fedora, Redhat and Knoppix.
[02:53] <ToRTuReD_X> i was gonna try fedora
[02:53] <mpmc> fdisk /media/usbdisk/
[02:53] <mpmc> You will not be able to write the partition table.
[02:53] <mpmc> Unable to read /media/usbdisk/
[02:53] <ToRTuReD_X> but read it has trouble dualbooting
[02:53] <SniperPT> bob2: i have now subversion 1.2.1 and dav_svn still working :)
[02:53] <vanhack> This is really a great idea that you can order the distros on CD, it actually allows people try out Linux if not Ubuntu
[02:53] <ToRTuReD_X> yeh
[02:53] <ToRTuReD_X> i think so to
[02:53] <ToRTuReD_X> although by the time i got the cd's
[02:54] <ToRTuReD_X> i'd forgotten i ordered them
[02:54] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html
[02:54] <vanhack> I installed Fedora, no issues with dual boot, but I used an older core
[02:54] <ToRTuReD_X> thanks rob
[02:54] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, http://www.enterprisedt.com/publications/dual_boot.html
[02:54] <vanhack> True Tortured_x, I was not banking on getting the CDs too, it has taken 6 weeks to deliver, not bad
[02:55] <rob^> there are heaps of guide on dual booting and partitioning hard drives
[02:55] <ToRTuReD_X> any for ubuntu specifically?
[02:55] <wizo> thoreauputic: its still lagging
[02:55] <rob^> No
[02:55] <ToRTuReD_X> the unofficial guide is HUGE
[02:55] <ToRTuReD_X> would kill my printer
[02:55] <ToRTuReD_X> :/
[02:55] <wizo> thats the only problem im facing with linux, playing videos smoothly
[02:56] <HrdwrBoB> wizo: wfm
[02:56] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, the official one is going to be bigger
[02:56] <ToRTuReD_X> >_<
[02:56] <wizo> HrdwrBoB, ??
[02:56] <zyth> mmpyou don't fdisk usb flash disks
[02:56] <ToRTuReD_X> they need to seel a manual
[02:56] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[02:56] <rob^> that one will be the best
[02:56] <bob2> SniperPT: it'll work fine, but it'll  be 1.1.1
[02:56] <HrdwrBoB> wizo: movies should play fine
[02:57] <wizo> on mine it lags
[02:57] <ToRTuReD_X> dude
[02:57] <thoreauputic> wizo: what does hdparm /dev/hdc say ? is DMA marked "on" ?
[02:57] <ToRTuReD_X> i just printed 2 off and now you tell me?
[02:57] <ToRTuReD_X> -_-
[02:57] <wizo> thoreauputic: its now on
[02:57] <HrdwrBoB> wizo: the sound?
[02:57] <Hoxzer^^> how I can see my HDD status?
[02:57] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, its not released yet
[02:57] <wizo> the sound comes after i read the subs
[02:57] <wizo> now the video and sounds are jerky
[02:57] <HrdwrBoB> wizo: try stopping esd
[02:58] <wizo> how do i do that
[02:58] <HrdwrBoB> run 'killall esd
[02:58] <wizo> wads esd btw
[02:59] <SniperPT> bob2: and is there a way to update libapache2-svn?
[02:59] <HrdwrBoB> wizo: it's for running multiple things through your soundcard at once without hardware support
[02:59] <wizo> ok
[03:00] <wizo> i`ll go try it now
[03:00] <wizo> i mean, try watching the video again
[03:00] <wizo> thx =)
[03:00] <bob2> SniperPT: as I said hours ago, not simply
[03:01] <se7enone> where can i find available space on my harddrive?
[03:02] <otep> huh?
[03:02] <dmgunn> hello?
[03:02] <concept10> se7enone, df -h
[03:02] <otep> or install "di"
[03:02] <se7enone> can't see it in the file manager?
[03:03] <HiddenWolf> Guys, I've noticed gxine/vlc/totem starting really show, How can I check what causes this?
[03:04] <wizo> wad the, now it cant play the files anymore
[03:04] <dmgunn> how do I change my keyboard layout?  "System->Preferences->Keyboard" Theres a tab called layout.  But will this change the layout for every user or just me?
[03:04] <wizo> it says unable to open resource file for writing =/
[03:05] <digitalfox> ld is part of binutils right?
[03:05] <cafuego> !find bin/ld
[03:06] <cafuego> devel/bin86
[03:06] <wizo> it says unable to open resource for writing =/ but it was working less than 5 minutes ago =(
[03:07] <slask3n> wizo: have you plugged in any usb-devices?
[03:07] <concept10> someone go here and let me know if you can access my site: http://ntarieo.ath.cx/
[03:07] <wizo> slask3n: my mouse
[03:08] <slask3n> wizo: any new sound devices then?
[03:08] <wizo> errr nope, im running a laptop
[03:08] <slask3n> wizo: try unplugging the mouse and reboot.. i have the same problem after i rebooot with the usb webcam plugged in...
[03:09] <concept10> I cant get no love!
[03:09] <wizo> but er
[03:09] <wizo> my mouse was plugged in all the time and the movie could play
[03:09] <wizo> pretty laggy though
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> concept10: no i cant
[03:10] <concept10> Kamping_Kaiser, ok, thanks
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> concept10: what you trying to set up
[03:11] <slask3n> wizo: its possible to fix by setting up the sound devices again, but i dont know how to do so.. in my case my usb webcam has a built-in microphone and ubuntu thinks its a soundcard when booting with the webcam plugged in..
[03:11] <slask3n> wizo: so ubuntu stes the webcam as a primary soundcard and the real soundcard as an secondary wich is not in use..
[03:11] <wizo> ohhh
[03:11] <concept10> Kamping_Kaiser, its a mambo site, I can access it from my browser but I dont understand why no one else can get to it
[03:12] <wizo> hwo do i turn on that esd again?
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> mambo? you compile it?
[03:12] <slask3n> wizo: but try unplugging the usb mouse and reboot, and after logging in again you can plug the mouse back in.. try that please.. and im almost sure its going to work..
[03:13] <concept10> Kamping_Kaiser, didnt have to
[03:13] <Myrtti> I'm getting pretty angry
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> concept10: could people access the site before you put mambo in?
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> concept10: i didnt think there was a deb?
[03:13] <slask3n> wizo: its a bit clumsy and much extra work, but at least it works temporary until a better solution is found..
[03:13] <wizo> mm ok
[03:13] <Myrtti> I don't remember how to configure my firefoxes tabextensions to open up the links clicked with ctrl pressed down to background new tab
[03:14] <concept10> Kamping_Kaiser, you dont have to - al you do is extract the mambo site and configure it
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, cool
[03:14] <wizo> awesome
[03:14] <wizo> i typed esd in my konsole and how it plays
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> concept10: can i get dl the tar from mamob?
[03:14] <wizo> now*
[03:14] <dmgunn> Why can't I get firefox extensions?
[03:14] <slask3n> wizo: OK :) thats good :)
[03:15] <slask3n> wizo: then its only in my case its not working :P
[03:15] <wizo> hmm
[03:15] <wizo> but i cant close the terminal
[03:15] <wizo> or else it wont play anymore
[03:15] <wizo> =(
[03:15] <GreaseMonkey> Ah! The joys of Reinstall
[03:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> wizo, type "esd &"
[03:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> then you should be able to close it
[03:15] <wizo> oo
[03:16] <wizo> wad does the & stand for?
[03:16] <digitalfox|afk> the & means detach from terminal I think
[03:16] <wizo> run in background?
[03:16] <digitalfox|afk> yeh
[03:16] <wizo> interesting
[03:16] <digitalfox|afk> it's simpler if you just run esd from the "run" prompt
[03:16] <wizo> thx Kamping_Kaiser
[03:16] <wizo> run?
[03:17] <digitalfox|afk> Applications... Run Application
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> all ok wizo, use it a lot ;)
[03:17] <concept10> Kamping_Kaiser, mamboforge.net
[03:17] <wizo> haha thx
[03:17] <digitalfox|afk> Kamping_Kaiser, actually, if you close the terminal it'll still kill it
[03:17] <slask3n> Alt+F2 = Run Application
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> concept10: thanks
[03:18] <concept10> Kamping_Kaiser, I documented the whole process, i will email it to you if you want
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> concept10: that would be *sweet*
[03:18] <wizo> now im copying the file on disc onto my hard drive, hopefully it doesnt lag
[03:19] <simon_> anyone available for some help plz
[03:19] <wizo> if it still lags.. pretty dissapointing
[03:19] <concept10> Kamping_Kaiser, pm me
[03:19] <trevi> simon: what's the problem?
[03:20] <SniperPT> ?
[03:20] <simon_> I have two HDD's , one XP Home , one with a new install of Ubuntu. How do i view my windows files when i logged on to ubuntu ?
[03:20] <simon_> couldnt see them in home folder
[03:21] <wizo> -sigh- * 99999
[03:21] <trevi> simon: edit fstab --read de hoary guide
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> ++
[03:21] <raven3x7> uh firefox is fixed?
[03:21] <simon_> will have a go , one sec , ty
[03:21] <cafuego> woohoo
[03:22] <IIIEars> Can a deleted file be recovered in ext3fs?
[03:22] <simon_> edit fstab ?
[03:22] <cafuego> IIIEars: Not easily.
[03:22] <cafuego> IIIEars: ... and if the system has been running for a while since the deletion, it's probably been overwritten
[03:22] <utzmg> hola
[03:23] <IIIEars> Good Morning cafuego. - just reading an article about it here. http://hohle.net/scrap_post.php?post=23&m=full
[03:23] <raven3x7> i guess i can trust the header
[03:23] <raven3x7> eh topic i mean
[03:23] <utzmg_> hioklj
[03:23] <Whisky_> i hate u ubuntu -_-
[03:23] <utzmg> callense
[03:23] <utzmg> dice marura
[03:23] <cafuego> !es
[03:23] <utzmg> maura
[03:23] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:23] <utzmg_> mira jesus yo no me callo eh...
[03:23] <utzmg> eh?
[03:23] <utzmg> ok
[03:24] <utzmg> lkasdfal
[03:24] <utzmg> hola lupita
[03:24] <cafuego> mate, stop it.
[03:24] <IIIEars> Ubotu you are a genius! - ;)
[03:24] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, IIIEars
[03:24] <IFRFLYR> Anyone know how to resize galeon toolbar elements? Like the URL box which extends 1000 pixels across one toolbar?
[03:24] <utzmg__> lll
[03:24] <wizo> is that any other possible reason why totem is playing me laggy videos?
[03:25] <cafuego> utzmg__: please stop spamming.
[03:25] <wizo> i copied the file from the disc to my hard drive already =/
[03:25] <utzmg__> hola gaby
[03:25] <utzmg__> hola lupita
[03:25] <Roxa> hola
[03:26] <cafuego> Damn spambot
[03:26] <IIIEars> (hugs bob2 then feels more than a little self-conscious)
[03:26] <cafuego> 200.56.*!
[03:26] <bob2> maybe it's those weird rima-tde people who show up every now and then
[03:26] <Roxa> conquien estoy conectado
[03:26] <mau> hola a todos
[03:26] <cafuego> 200.56.128.0/18
[03:26] <bob2> Roxa:  Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:26] <elph0> good morning everybody
[03:26] <bob2> mau:  Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:26] <Roxa> hola mau soy tu novio andas de volada
[03:27] <cafuego> bob2: Mexican ISP.
[03:27] <IIIEars> Bad dns servers?
[03:27] <cafuego> HAHAHA!
[03:27] <trevi> hola mau
[03:27] <bob2> cafuego: thanks
[03:27] <cafuego> I was mistaken, spambots are smarter.
[03:27] <bob2> trevi: Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:28] <IIIEars> But why do they bother. (somethings aren't fathomable.)
[03:28] <raven3x7> is this contageous...
[03:28] <cafuego> IIIEars: I don't know. I often wonder if they're looking at the screen AT ALL when they type that shit.
[03:29] <Amaranth> Just cleaning up the list.
[03:29] <elph0> Im having problems with video resolutions, probably my video onboard card isnt configured. I have an P4P800-MV motherboard. Someone here can help me?
[03:29] <IIIEars> lol 254x254
[03:30] <IIIEars> Good Morning elph0
[03:30] <Lambda-> whats the command to kill the gui
[03:30] <Amaranth> Lambda-: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:31] <Lambda-> need to install nvidia
[03:31] <Lambda-> k ta
[03:31] <Amaranth> Lambda-: that'll stop gdm and X, you'll be on a terminal
[03:31] <IIIEars> sure we would be happy to. Have you tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? - ubotu has more detailed info.
[03:31] <IIIEars> !display
[03:31] <ubotu> somebody said display was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto or ask !Resolution
[03:31] <raven3x7> they changed the ubuntu versioning scheme for firefox to the official one. woohoo
[03:31] <Lambda-> thats what i need :)
[03:32] <IFRFLYR> Anyone know how to resize galeon toolbar elements? Like the URL box which extends 1000 pixels across one toolbar?
[03:32] <odyssey> raven3x7, some sanity at last?
[03:32] <bob2> raven3x7: it's not the versioning that changed, it's the package contents
[03:32] <elph0> oh my god.. thanx! You guys r0x... i will try now :)
[03:32] <raven3x7> bob2 i was hoping both had actually ;)
[03:33] <Lambda-> Amaranth, nope that didn't work
[03:33] <Amaranth> Lambda-: that will kill X, trust me :)
[03:33] <Amaranth> Lambda-: unless of course you're a kubuntu user
[03:33] <Lambda-> nope gnome
[03:33] <Lambda-> ill try again
[03:33] <raven3x7> odyssey, seems so
[03:34] <IIIEars> Muhahah there is always the less refined and somewhat risky Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[03:34] <Lambda-> lol it aint working
[03:34] <raven3x7> bob2 or did you mean anything i didnt quit catch?
[03:34] <Lambda-> im back here
[03:34] <concept10> So firefox has been fixed?
[03:34] <rob^> hmm I noticed that the Ubuntu installer doesn't have resizing of Windows paritions.. whats the easiest way (so I can put into guide)
[03:34] <IIIEars> kills the display manager with a three finger salute.
[03:35] <Amaranth> IIIEars: It'll restart...
[03:35] <bob2> raven3x7: the previous version really was 1.0.2 + fixes, naming it 1.0.6 would have been even more confusing
[03:35] <IIIEars> Agh - yep, you are right.
[03:35] <Amaranth> IIIEars: It kills it but it starts back up on it's own
[03:35] <Lambda-> i just need to kill X so i can install nvidia driver
[03:35] <Amaranth> Lambda-: just install the driver, log out, and log back in
[03:35] <Amaranth> Lambda-: X doesn't have to be stopped while you're installing
[03:36] <Lambda-> yes it does
[03:36] <raven3x7> eh bob i thought there were only bug and security fixes in official 1.0.x releases
[03:36] <IFRFLYR> bob2, good morning: last night we discussed my segmentation fault problem with FF while printing: now I see the backports message on this chat room - I did not remove firefox before updating. Should I have?
[03:37] <Seveas> IFRFLYR, yes
[03:37] <Amaranth> raven3x7: That's what it's supposed to be but the firefox devs just can't help themselves sometimes. :)
[03:37] <IFRFLYR> Seveas, thanks
[03:37] <Lambda-> does anyone know how to kill X?
[03:37] <bob2> IFRFLYR: yeah
[03:37] <Amaranth> Lambda-: Who told you X needed to be stopped to install a driver?
[03:37] <bob2> I think you'd just be prevented from upgrading, rather than getting segfaults
[03:37] <raven3x7> Amaranth lol
[03:37] <bob2> worth a shot, I suppose
[03:37] <bob2> Lambda-: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:37] <Lambda-> Amaranth, the nvidia installer
[03:37] <IFRFLYR> Okay, so now that it's already done, can i apt-get remove firefox and then apt-get install mozilla-firefox?
[03:37] <bob2> Lambda-: assuming you're installing nvidia drivers
[03:37] <bob2> IFRFLYR: yes
[03:37] <Amaranth> Lambda-: it's doing evil crack then
[03:37] <IFRFLYR> Thanks again
[03:38] <raven3x7> ok gotta work now
[03:38] <Lambda-> i did apt-get install nvidia-glx but isnt the other one from the nvidia site better for gaming?
[03:38] <Amaranth> they're the same thing
[03:38] <IIIEars> amaranth had the correct command to stop the xserver.  -  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:38] <Amaranth> one is just a slightly newer version
[03:39] <Lambda-> oh ok, how often do they get updated
[03:39] <Lambda-> the nvidia-glx one
[03:39] <Amaranth> the one in hoary never gets updated, hoary is stable
[03:39] <slashzero> how hard is it to install the nvidia drivers into ubuntu?
[03:39] <mjr> slashzero, very easy
[03:39] <Amaranth> but unless your system isn't working at all it's not worth the hassle installing the drivers from nvidia's website
[03:40] <u07077> slashzero, inmediate
[03:40] <IFRFLYR> Seveas or Bob2 apt-get remove firefox gets me E: Couldn't find package firefox ?
[03:40] <Lambda-> Amaranth, i was just arfter more fps
[03:40] <u07077> slashzero, even in amd64 ;-)
[03:40] <Lambda-> going to get cs:s going
[03:40] <Amaranth> Lambda-: If 3fps is worth that much to you you've got issues. :)
[03:40] <mjr> oh, sorry, 60, but 30 sets :)
[03:40] <bob2> IFRFLYR: guess you don't have it installed then
[03:40] <IFRFLYR> Cool-o-rooni.
[03:41] <u07077> are xoops, mambo or other content managers  available at any repositories?
[03:41] <Lambda-> Amaranth, haha is that all i will gain, i wont worry then thanks for your time
[03:41] <drcode> hi all
[03:41] <Lambda-> :)
[03:41] <bob2> u07077: drupal and plone are
[03:41] <drcode> any one kow about xmess emulator?
[03:41] <slashzero> I just installed ubuntu on a laptop my parents gave me and it was the easiest install I've done.  I'm thinking of putting it on my desktop and scrapping fc4 if I have a good experience on the laptop
[03:41] <drcode> or xmame
[03:41] <wizo> this is bad
[03:41] <u07077> bob2, thanks
[03:41] <Amaranth> Lambda-: Generally you won't gain (or lose) more than that from one version to the next.
[03:41] <UbuntuMan> I have one problem configuring ldap? Could somebody give me some help please?
[03:41] <wizo> im switching to windows to watch the video
[03:41] <Amaranth> Lambda-: And the new drivers don't support some of the older cards.
[03:41] <slashzero> the desktop has an nvidia card so I wanted to make sure it would be painless
[03:42] <Lambda-> i have fx5200 atm waiting on my 6800gt w00tzor
[03:42] <u07077> slashzero, furthermore, it is very convenient at amd64 as it installs also the 32bit libs, so you can run 32 apps with no pain.
[03:42] <Amaranth> slashzero: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:42] <slashzero> it wasn't every painless with fc
[03:42] <sexcopter8000m> hi there. small problem with aMule (edonkey). I get a lowid, which is because it can't connect to the tcp port. This computer is on ubuntu, connected to gateway pc which is xp (connected to net with a cable modem). the xp machine has sygate and i've set a rule to allow traffic in and out of this port, but the test page still says it's no good. what could i have missed?
[03:42] <wizo> after installing the nvidia driver for my laptop, X cant find my laptop screen
[03:42] <wizo> he
[03:42] <wizo> heh*
[03:43] <UbuntuMan> :(
[03:43] <slashzero> Amaranth: I don't have to add a new  repos for that?
[03:43] <UbuntuMan> I have one problem configuring ldap? Could somebody give me some help please?
[03:43] <Amaranth> slashzero: shouldn't have to, no
[03:43] <slashzero> thanks for the advice
[03:44] <pd> hi, does anyone have an experience with ubuntu on Sun V20z box (dual opteron) with an external scsi storage ?
[03:44] <zyth> pd, you're kidding, right?
[03:44] <zyth> cause yeah, we all have dual opteron sun boxes...
[03:44] <zyth> lol ;)
[03:45] <Amaranth> Actually, I doubt a single V20z in the whole world is running Ubuntu. :)
[03:45] <pd> sorry, just asked ...
[03:45] <Amaranth> pd: Don't worry, it's just that Ubuntu is more of a desktop distro.
[03:46] <colmore> how can i download and setup the intel OpenGL drivers?
[03:46] <Amaranth> pd: It makes a very good server distro too but honestly I'd rather run debian stable on a server.
[03:46] <pd> the problem is more related to the external scsi than to the sun box itself
[03:46] <colmore> I've got an 855GM built-in device on my laptop
[03:47] <colmore> xorg.conf says I have an "i810" driver, but OpenGL won't work
[03:48] <vinboy> hi
[03:48] <samu> how can i check the system default character encoding?
[03:48] <vinboy> i'm using Ubuntu
[03:48] <vinboy> can I just download the kde core and other kde stuff and use KDE under Ubuntu?
[03:48] <vinboy> or is it better to just get the Kubuntu?
[03:48] <zyth> vinboy, you can do either
[03:48] <zyth> pd, yeah, I was just kidding around :)
[03:49] <vinboy> zyth, ic... so it will work fine if I just download kde to ubuntu?
[03:49] <scanwinder> is there a file that has all the services and stuff that come up on startup?
[03:49] <scanwinder> so i can stop some loading on startup
[03:49] <elph0> someone here now if the x support the intel 82865G video chipset?
[03:49] <elph0> *know
[03:49] <pd> zyth: ok :-) but i would really appreciate help with the external scsi storage
[03:49] <zyth> use synaptic, install kde
[03:50] <zyth> pd, it wont' just mount as /dev/sdX?
[03:50] <zyth> elph0, I believe it's i810
[03:50] <zyth> er so yes
[03:50] <elph0> ok ill try :P
[03:51] <u07077> vinboy, I have used kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu successfully. You get mixed gnome/KDE at the menus, thought
[03:52] <zyth> WoW time
[03:52] <leroj> how do you installa new font?
[03:52] <vinboy> u07077, oh ic... should I get Kubuntu-desktop or the KDE?
[03:52] <pd> zyth, there are two scsi controllers 1) internal with bootable sda, 2) external with 9 drives on chain, i have installed ubuntu withnout the disk array an everything is fine and work
[03:52] <vinboy> the both sounds like KDE to me
[03:53] <u07077> vinboy,  from synaptic, you should just install the kubuntu-desktop so it will install all what you need
[03:53] <leroj> i did that too, but then i removed it
[03:53] <leroj> i still have some KDE apps in the menus though
[03:53] <pd> however, when I attach the external storage, the system just hangs during boot after recognizing sda, sdb ... sdj ..
[03:53] <u07077> vinboy, kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage that ensures you install a minumum coherent set of the KDE desktop
[03:54] <u07077> vinboy, not so minimum afterall...
[03:54] <pd> amaranth: agree, but as far as i know, debian is not for amd64 platform
[03:54] <u07077> vinboy, let's just say a coherent set of packages, OK?
[03:54] <leroj> how do you installa new font?
[03:54] <Amaranth> pd: err
[03:54] <vinboy> u07077, yup
[03:55] <u07077> vinboy, you could also install kubuntu and then install ubuntu-desktop and probably you would reach the same status more or less, I guess...
[03:55] <Amaranth> wasn't debian the first distro to have amd64 support?
[03:55] <mjr> Amaranth, well, officially, they still don't ;)
[03:55] <MartenH> How do I change which module my network card uses? Right now it's using orinico_cs but I want to get hold of, and make it use prism2_cs and p80211
[03:55] <Amaranth> wow
[03:55] <mjr> other than that, dunno
[03:55] <u07077> Amaranth, ?? does that matter??
[03:55] <bur[n] er> leroj: nautilus fonts:///  and then drag & drop
[03:56] <vinboy> u07077, oh.. ok... sounds like it will work in most ways
[03:56] <leroj> thank you
[03:56] <bur[n] er> yw
[03:56] <u07077> vinboy, sure it will. I'm not a KDE guy but I love how the kubuntu thing is not a completely separate fork but a set of available packages
[03:57] <u07077> vinboy, it is easier to install KDE through kubuntu-desktop than acrobat reader itself :-P
[03:58] <pd> amaranth: http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=1223   Sarge AMD64 support :-(
[03:58] <zyth> pd, does this box have to run linux? FreeBSD is nice and shiny on stuff like that.
[03:58] <pluffsy> hello
[03:58] <leroj> bur[n] er, it isn't working
[03:58] <u07077> Amaranth, all I can say is that ubuntu for amd64 is very smooth. Much smoother than I thought
[03:58] <pluffsy> what makes debian more suitable on servers than ubuntu? or is it even?
[03:59] <elph0> the dpkg-reconfigure found my chipset as i810, and after identified intel 82865G chiptset (Great)! I configure my monitor using the simple menu (17 pol - SyncMasnter 753v)... but when i restart the gnome, only the resolution 800x600x60Hz are showed! What can i do?
[03:59] <Amaranth> u07077: That's nice.
[03:59] <Amaranth> u07077: Not what I was talking about, but nice.
[03:59] <pluffsy> I've been running simpler LAMP-servers for a few years on fedora (or well yellowdog) and I was thinking of switching to ubuntu
[03:59] <zyth> elph0, system ->prefs -> screen resolution
[03:59] <elph0> yes i tried it ... only 800x600 are showed :/
[03:59] <u07077> pluffsy, IMHO ubuntu comes with some desktop apps that are not needed for a server but won't hurt anyway
[04:00] <zyth> elph0, you know anything about editing your x conf?
[04:00] <elph0> no
[04:00] <Belutz> !resolution
[04:00] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:00] <Amaranth> u07077: That's what the 'server' install option is for.
[04:00] <u07077> Amaranth, well, I just caught a random line from you,... and I am also sooo happy....
[04:00] <leroj> bur[n] er, it isn't working
[04:00] <u07077> Amaranth, OK, I didn't know. Nice!
[04:02] <Belutz> how do i switch from my notebook monitor to an lcd projector?
[04:03] <Raskall-edge> lcd projector? how does that work? ;)
[04:03] <u07077> Belutz, in my laptop I have to havet the lcd projector plugged prior to the startup
[04:04] <Belutz> u07077: ic ic, will try that later
[04:04] <Belutz> u07077: can you see in both of the lcd and the notebook monitor?
[04:04] <u07077> Belutz, your milleage may vary. It depends strongly on the hardware and the driver...
[04:04] <u07077> Belutz, in my case I see them both
[04:05] <pluffsy> u07077: right. but I  can just kill those processes i guess?
[04:05] <Belutz> u07077: may i know what laptop brand you're using?
[04:05] <u07077> pluffsy, sorry?
[04:06] <pluffsy> u07077: you said ubuntu had some desktop processes that wasn't needed on a server. But I can just turn those off I guess so it won't waste cpu and ram?
[04:06] <u07077> Belutz, it is no known manufacturer, but it has a SiS300 shared memory integrated card
[04:06] <u07077> pluffsy, I meant desktop software installed , not processes.
[04:06] <pluffsy> u07077: uh alright.
[04:07] <u07077> Belutz, however, all the laptops I've been able to test with linux work fine if you plug the lcd projector cable prior to laptop swiching on
[04:07] <Belutz> u07077: ic... i'm using NEC Versa M540 with ATI 9600
[04:07] <yannowauran> #mtv
[04:07] <ToRTuReD_X> rob^
[04:07] <Belutz> u07077: ic... will try that in my campus later
[04:07] <u07077> Belutz, provided the laptop has not higher resolution thant the avilable at the LCD.
[04:07] <ToRTuReD_X> havin a little problems doin partitions with partition magic
[04:08] <ToRTuReD_X> :/
[04:08] <ToRTuReD_X> can't find the partition number, how to set the mounts or nothin
[04:08] <u07077> Belutz, if your laptop has a big big screen, you may also need a resolution switch when logging in
[04:08] <Belutz> u07077: have you tried a widescreen laptop using LCD?
[04:09] <Belutz> u07077: ic... it will affect the resolution in my monitor and in the lcd?
[04:09] <u07077> Belutz, I've seen a 1400x1050 laptop with SuSE9.1 ... and the guy used the KDE resolution switch ...
[04:09] <Belutz> u07077: ic ic... thx for the info :)
[04:09] <u07077> Belutz, if I recall correctly, at the beginning at the projector it pans
[04:10] <u07077> Belutz, so you can go through all the display
[04:10] <Belutz> ic
[04:10] <u07077> Belutz, but switching the resolution you could use acrobat at fullscreen, and so on...
[04:10] <Belutz> u07077: ok :)
[04:10] <MartenH> How can I find and access Windows XP shares on the network from Ubuntu?
[04:11] <Belutz> hehehe...
[04:11] <Belutz> i only use 1280x800
[04:11] <u07077> MartenH, easy, places->network servers->windows network->...
[04:11] <Belutz> u07077: do you know any linux apps that can open visio files?
[04:11] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[04:12] <MartenH> u07077: ty
[04:12] <u07077> Belutz, no. I think visio works fine in crossover
[04:12] <Belutz> u07077: crossover ?
[04:12] <u07077> Belutz, I know that 'dia' is perhaps somehow a visio replacement but I don't think it can open viso files
[04:13] <Belutz> u07077: yup, that's true, DIA can't open visio files
[04:13] <DuS> channel ubuntu espanish?
[04:13] <u07077> Belutz, yes, crossover is a commercial app based on wine that allows installing office
[04:13] <chillywilly> visio is good because M$ did not write it ;)
[04:13] <chillywilly> they *bought* it
[04:13] <Belutz> and DIA is not as good as visio
[04:14] <Belutz> u07077: ic...
[04:14] <bob2> I think they've bought most of the software they sell
[04:14] <u07077> DuS ubuntu-es?
[04:14] <lesshaste> what's the smallest app to view (not edit) a .pps file?
[04:14] <DuS> thx
[04:14] <DuS> :)
[04:14] <lesshaste> or is there a website I can upload it to or something like that?
[04:14] <Dr_Fate> how does the firefox update work for you guys?
[04:14] <drope> fine
[04:14] <Belutz> u07077: crossover is not free, isn't it?
[04:15] <u07077> Dr_Fate, I had to reinstall the firefox locales...
[04:15] <u07077> Belutz, not at all. But it is really god at its job.
[04:15] <elph0> someone could help with my video card?
[04:16] <Belutz> u07077: ic
[04:16] <elph0> whops..now my problem is the monitor refresh rate
[04:16] <Belutz> u07077: i've seen some screenshot of crossover, it looks nice... but i think i can;t afford it
[04:16] <u07077> Belutz, have you tried with openoffice? I don't think it will do but who knows...
[04:16] <u07077> Belutz, visio allows exporting to svg?
[04:16] <Belutz> u07077: hmmm i don't think so
[04:17] <Belutz> u07077: i've got all apps that i usually use in winXP, only visio i haven;t found one...
[04:18] <u07077> Belutz, have never used visio, but dia suffices for me...
[04:18] <u07077> Belutz, don't have to import visio files, btw.
[04:19] <Belutz> u07077: yup,,. but most people in here use visio for diagramming, luckily i use dual boot
[04:19] <MartenH> How do I load the prims2_cs module instead of orinoco_cs for my network card?
[04:19] <u07077> Belutz, so what do you do with the diagrams? how do you use them afterwards?
[04:20] <Belutz> u07077: usually for network diagram, and database diagram, and also for flowcharting
[04:21] <u07077> Belutz, yeah, but you use them at perhaps word by cut&paste or do you export it to something prior to including it anywhere?
[04:21] <comforteagle> what is the package name for apache1.3?
[04:22] <_Hiroshi_> Hey, I got a question for the guys who are in charge of Ubuntu.
[04:22] <Vytas> Hello, I've helped my friend with his ubuntu on various issues, but now I'm puzzled myself
[04:22] <Belutz> u07077: no, not use then on word.... because of my boss is using windows, and he wants to enable track changes in visio, so he could give amandement or revision to my diagram
[04:22] <Vytas> Is it an easy way to use maromedia-flash on amd64?
[04:22] <_Hiroshi_> Im doing IT for a youth group in Maryland, and we are setting up a computer lab, and Im interested in using Ubuntu distrobutions for the youth center's computers.
[04:23] <Vytas> *macromedia
[04:23] <bob2> comforteagle: apache
[04:23] <Belutz> u07077: well maybe i just use winxp when i'm diagramming :)
[04:23] <bob2> Vytas: you have to ask macromedia to port it
[04:23] <bob2> afaik they haven't yet
[04:23] <nlindblad> _Hiroshi_: great idea
[04:23] <Vytas> :/
[04:23] <w-mute> Did anybody manage to make drip work yet? All I get is "libdvdcss is not installed, most DVD disks wont be readable!" even though libdvdcss IS installed.
[04:23] <Belutz> _Hiroshi_: good choice :D
[04:23] <Vytas> bob2, there are some ways to use 32bit firefox
[04:23] <Vytas> etc
[04:24] <concept10> _Hiroshi_, maybe you could use edubuntu
[04:24] <Vytas> is that easy?
[04:24] <nlindblad> _Hiroshi_: used it before?
[04:24] <_Hiroshi_> Yes I have.
[04:24] <bob2> Vytas: not really
[04:24] <Belutz> w-mute: install libdvdcss2
[04:24] <_Hiroshi_> I have Ubuntu installed on one of my machines.
[04:24] <bob2> Vytas: perhaps i386 mozilla from mozilla.org with ia32-libs would work
[04:24] <bob2> I dunno
[04:24] <concept10> _Hiroshi_, http://www.edubuntu.org/
[04:24] <_Hiroshi_> Thanks :)
[04:24] <ToRTuReD_X> i'm startin to hate linux
[04:24] <ToRTuReD_X> :(
[04:24] <_Hiroshi_> I wanted to know if there was anyone I needed to get in touch with before I go ahead and deploy this on the computers at the center.
[04:24] <w-mute> Belutz: libdvdcss2 is installed.
[04:24] <Belutz> can't wait till edubuntu come out... i hope they make it for university level too
[04:25] <nlindblad> _Hiroshi_: probably not
[04:25] <Belutz> w-mute: hmm, sorry, no idea then...
[04:25] <_Hiroshi_> hmm, alright.
[04:25] <w-mute> Belutz: Thanks anyway. Was worth a try :-)
[04:25] <Belutz> w-mute: :)
[04:25] <SniperPT> my pc is for personal use... right now breezy is a good option to upgrade?
[04:25] <bob2> SniperPT: no
[04:26] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, did you follow that wiki page I gave you?
[04:26] <ToRTuReD_X> ok seriously
[04:26] <bob2> if you have to ask, you should not be doing it at all
[04:26] <bob2> e.g. X is screwed
[04:26] <ToRTuReD_X> what's a good partition program to use?
[04:26] <Dr_Fate> u07077, after that firefox is back to normal for you?
[04:26] <Vytas> and what about gpl flash`es? are they suitable for at least basic usage (eg no segfaults etc)
[04:26] <Vytas> ?
[04:26] <ToRTuReD_X> i need to know the partition numbers
[04:26] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[04:26] <bob2> Vytas: they don't appear to be
[04:26] <Dr_Fate> ToRTuReD_X, cfdisk
[04:26] <u07077> Dr_Fate, I would say that it is OK
[04:26] <ToRTuReD_X> yeh i'm followin it rob
[04:26] <Vytas> bob2, have you tried them yourself?
[04:26] <bob2> ToRTuReD_X: I'm 90% sure the installer lets you resize windows partitions
[04:26] <ToRTuReD_X> but partition magic is bein evil
[04:26] <ToRTuReD_X> :/
[04:26] <_Hiroshi_> Is edubuntu even available yet?
[04:26] <bob2> Vytas: no, I don't use flash at all
[04:26] <bob2> even on i386 it's unstable
[04:27] <Vytas> I see :/
[04:27] <rob^> bob2, I just did a Ubuntu install on a spare pc, yes it does
[04:27] <ToRTuReD_X> bob
[04:27] <ToRTuReD_X> how do i resize in the installer?
[04:27] <Vytas> ToRTuReD_X, if you need just to know the partition numbers
[04:27] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, read that guide, it explains it all
[04:27] <Vytas> I can give you
[04:27] <Vytas> the beginning of my new program
[04:27] <Vytas> it will tell you those things in a GUI way
[04:27] <ToRTuReD_X> is it windows or linux?
[04:27] <BollocksMacenzie> OK, I'm still having problems getting Unreal Tournament to work, are there any blaringly obvious quick fixes to get it to work! It's Loki v436...
[04:27] <Vytas> linux
[04:28] <bob2> BollocksMacenzie: you need to include way more information
[04:28] <Belutz> _Hiroshi_: i don;t think so
[04:28] <Belutz> _Hiroshi_: i think they still develop it
[04:29] <ToRTuReD_X> Vytas - i need a windows one
[04:29] <_Hiroshi_> Alright, I'll have to go with the standard "hoary hedgehog" distrobution.
[04:29] <ToRTuReD_X> i'm tryin to install linux
[04:29] <ToRTuReD_X> ;/
[04:29] <bob2> ToRTuReD_X: use the installer to resize it
[04:29] <ToRTuReD_X> got a guide bob?
[04:29] <bob2> no
[04:29] <Vytas> ToRTuReD_X, what windows version
[04:29] <Vytas> ?
[04:29] <rob^> dam it
[04:29] <ToRTuReD_X> cos i tried that before and screwed up
[04:29] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo is the guide
[04:29] <bob2> rob^: I assume you hit enter on the filesystem?
[04:30] <Vytas> on windows xp/2k there's quite a nice
[04:30] <ToRTuReD_X> xp service pack 2
[04:30] <BollocksMacenzie> bob2, just wondered if it maybe one of those problems which Ubuntu has with it!
[04:30] <Vytas> partition listing
[04:30] <Vytas> formating
[04:30] <rob^> bob2, yes, then enter on "Size:"
[04:30] <Vytas> ToRTuReD_X, browse the xp system tools
[04:30] <bob2> BollocksMacenzie: you haven't even given us a vague indication of where it's failing
[04:30] <Vytas> there is an utility
[04:30] <bob2> BollocksMacenzie: potential problems range fro myou not mounting the cd to the kernel oopsing
[04:30] <dafe> hi all
[04:30] <dafe> how i can regenerate my xorg.conf file?
[04:31] <dafe> i just screw it
[04:31] <bob2> dudes
[04:31] <bob2> BACKUP CONFIG FILES BEFORE SCREWING WITH THEM
[04:31] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, if you have a spare PC that you can have connected to irc whist your install Ubuntu on the other, I can walk you through it
[04:31] <bob2> it will save you months of your life
[04:31] <ToRTuReD_X> lmao
[04:31] <dafe> yeah i agree
[04:31] <bob2> dafe: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xorg ; sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[04:31] <ToRTuReD_X> my spare pc keeps giving me invalid boot sector messages
[04:31] <BollocksMacenzie> 1) It took the installer forever to load (about 25 minutes), 2) when running UT, it says comething about dirname then about $UT_DATA_PATH
[04:32] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, well thats your options, either https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo or me
[04:32] <bob2> rob^: oh, wow, you're my hero
[04:32] <Dr_Fate> unbelievable, FF is worse
[04:32] <Dr_Fate> wtf is going on
[04:32] <rob^> ;P
[04:32] <bob2> rob^: just last night I added bitchy comments about that page needing a cleanup, thanks :)
[04:32] <Whisky_> bob2: Ubuntu screwed up my windows and debian installs....formated everything and now setting everything backup on debian, heh
[04:32] <ToRTuReD_X> geez rob
[04:32] <rob^> bob2, bp
[04:32] <rob^> np
[04:32] <Vytas> oh ubuntu
[04:32] <ToRTuReD_X> all i'm sayin is the other pc isn't quite working
[04:32] <Vytas> never thought it's so evil
[04:32] <Vytas> :/
[04:32] <bob2> ToRTuReD_X: that means something ate your hard disk
[04:33] <ToRTuReD_X> lmao
[04:33] <teferi>  okay, off-topic, but important...shutle launch is T minus 7 minutes and counting
[04:33] <rob^> bob2, docteam at your service :)
[04:33] <ToRTuReD_X> bob my pc blew up a year ago
[04:33] <teferi> take a break from getting ubuntu to work and turn on the tv.
[04:33] <ToRTuReD_X> well the hard drive
[04:33] <u07077> Dr_Fate, I was getting a yellow window that said something about an XML error in chrome:???? is that your case?
[04:33] <ToRTuReD_X> if my brother hadn't of pawed off my second hard drive i'd be fine
[04:33] <netsurf3> teferi, can you view launch live online?
[04:33] <ToRTuReD_X> bastard gave away a perfectly good 12.1gb hdd
[04:33] <Vytas> by the way, what GUI tools do you use to mount partitions?
[04:33] <teferi> netsurf3: indeed, NASA TV
[04:33] <teferi> nasa.gov
[04:33] <netsurf3> WOO
[04:34] <teferi> as your attorney, i advise you to watch it
[04:34] <bob2> Vytas: you don't generally use gui tools for that
[04:34] <Dr_Fate> u07077, no, its just not browsing anywhere
[04:34] <Vytas> bob2, I want to know
[04:34] <bob2> Vytas: you edit /etc/fstab once and leave it alone
[04:34] <Vytas> if there is any
[04:34] <Vytas> because I'm writing one
[04:34] <Vytas> :)
[04:34] <bob2> Vytas: for dynamic things (like usb hard disks), they get mounted automatically
[04:34] <Vytas> bob2, but partitions don't
[04:34] <Vytas> for exaple
[04:34] <bob2> I'd think integrating that into the installer would be a better idea
[04:35] <Dr_Fate> u07077, there is a website with javascript tabs for browsing the site
[04:35] <bob2> huh? partitions do.
[04:35] <bob2> do you mean "partitions on fixed hard disks"?
[04:35] <Dr_Fate> it does not even recognize the tabs
[04:35] <Vytas> bob2, yes
[04:35] <Vytas> for example fat / ntfs partitions
[04:35] <Vytas> which people use for double boot
[04:35] <Vytas> etc
[04:35] <Dr_Fate> this is sad
[04:35] <Vytas> I started writing this
[04:35] <Vytas> because my friend said
[04:36] <Dr_Fate> I have work to do
[04:36] <bob2> Vytas: why not just automate it?
[04:36] <Vytas> how can I mount fat32 hard disk
[04:36] <Dr_Fate> I'm pissed
[04:36] <u07077> Dr_Fate, it does not work with google for instance?
[04:36] <Vytas> bob2, but automating at install time
[04:36] <Vytas> is not the only solution
[04:36] <bob2> sure
[04:36] <Vytas> partitions change sometimes
[04:36] <bob2> it seems simplest, tho
[04:36] <bob2> right
[04:36] <Vytas> for example
[04:36] <Vytas> it's fat32
[04:36] <bob2> so you need to be able reprobe
[04:37] <Vytas> and then it's changed to ntfs
[04:37] <bob2> that would still be automated
[04:37] <Vytas> bob2, that's a good idea
[04:37] <Vytas> very good
[04:37] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. "Russias biggest spammer found Brutally murdered"
[04:37] <Vytas> I'll include option into my tool
[04:37] <bob2> anyway, presumably your tool detects it all and just lets people select mount points, so that's cool too
[04:37] <Vytas> "Try to mount everything automatically"
[04:37] <ToRTuReD_X> aww hell
[04:37] <netsurf3> teferi, cant connect using real player :'(
[04:37] <ToRTuReD_X> think my printer nearly died
[04:37] <Vytas> bob2, it isn't at the moment
[04:37] <se7enone> what time is it now?
[04:37] <ToRTuReD_X> >_<
[04:38] <Vytas> but it will
[04:38] <Vytas> :DD
[04:38] <ToRTuReD_X> so rob
[04:38] <ToRTuReD_X> reckon i should randomly choose a cd to install from?
[04:38] <Vytas> bob2, by the way, I tried it on hoary today
[04:38] <LiberalTugboat> woohoo! finally a real Firefox update!
[04:38] <Vytas> the HAL is a bit outdated on hoary
[04:38] <Vytas> the volume labels are not listed
[04:38] <concept10> Space Shuttle Launching ! smoooke!
[04:39] <concept10> and LIFTOFF!
[04:39] <u07077> concept10, no problems?
[04:39] <concept10> not yet
[04:39] <u07077> concept10, hope everything is fine this time!
[04:39] <ToRTuReD_X> bbl
[04:39] <ToRTuReD_X> installin
[04:39] <ToRTuReD_X> i hope
[04:41] <Vytas> and also what is needed in ubuntu install
[04:41] <Vytas> or a gui tool
[04:41] <Vytas> is a replacemant for console 'pppoeconf'
[04:43] <w-mute> Belutz: May I talk to you in private?
[04:44] <znh> Hmm.. I just noticed something 'weirds', 90% of my memory (786 MB) is in the buffer - What does that mean?
[04:45] <bob2> it's using it as disk cache
[04:45] <bob2> to avoid having to hit the hard disk
[04:45] <bob2> it's a good thing
[04:45] <znh> bob2: aha, is that also a signal that I don't have enough memory?
[04:45] <bob2> no
[04:46] <mak> how do i reset my manpath?
[04:46] <znh> bob2: thanks for the information :)
[04:46] <HiddenWolf> znh: you've got plenty, It's using ram to store things it otherwise wouldn't store, so that if you need them again, it won't have to use the hdd.
[04:47] <znh> HiddenWolf: aaah, that's why the swap is never being used
[04:47] <HiddenWolf> znh, right.
[04:48] <Dr_Fate> the rest of the Gecko browsers are working much better and faster than FF
[04:48] <znh> buffer != weird for me now :)
[04:48] <Dr_Fate> When will FF be fixed again
[04:48] <HiddenWolf> Dr_Fate: it's fixed now
[04:48] <Dr_Fate> can anyone report that its fast again for them?
[04:48] <znh> Dr_Fate: do you mean those XML errors?
[04:48] <david_> how do i add myself to the www-data group so i can edit the apache files?
[04:48] <Dr_Fate> HiddenWolf, does not appear to be for me, what I got to do reboot?
[04:49] <HiddenWolf> Dr_Fate, did you apt-get update && upgrade?
[04:49] <socomm> Dr_Fate: It's all ready been fixed.
[04:49] <Dr_Fate> znh, I don't see any errors at all, but what did you do to prep it?
[04:49] <bob2> david_: dude
[04:49] <Dr_Fate> HiddenWolf, cmon, of course
[04:49] <bob2> david_: www-data doesn't own html files
[04:49] <Dr_Fate> Its running worse than before
[04:49] <Andares> How do I get Ubuntu to recognize my second monitor:?
[04:49] <znh> Dr_Fate: Just update your firefox, you got the version with those XML errors (that's what I got in my mind)
[04:50] <Jeo> im a bit noobish. :/ Ive downloaded and burned the install cd for PC . How do i start to install the OS? :PP
[04:50] <znh> Andares: what videocard have you got?
[04:50] <znh> Jeo: put the cd in your cd reading device
[04:50] <bob2> Jeo: configure your bios to boot the cd
[04:50] <bob2> which is bios-specific
[04:50] <Jeo> yes, i thought so, but didnt work
[04:50] <HiddenWolf> Dr_Fate: firefox-1.06-ubuntu-0.1 is the version thats fixed, just close and reopen firefox, and it should work.
[04:50] <Andares> GeForce 4 MX 420 PCI (Primary, active) and GeForce 2 MX 400 AGP (Secondary, deactivated)
[04:50] <Dr_Fate> znh, the first thing I did was update FF
[04:50] <znh> bob2: WRONG - first put the cd in it! :P
[04:51] <teferi> launch was successful!
[04:51] <teferi> flawless, textbook-perfect
[04:51] <david_> bob2, so i should just change the apache comand "user www-data" to something else?
[04:51] <Jeo> hehe,  ive got 2 cd:s, i can boot from one but that CD cant read the burnt cd. My other cd who can read cant be picked from BOOT list
[04:51] <bob2> david_: hell no
[04:51] <bob2> david_: don't mess with that atall
[04:51] <Jeo> 2 cd players that is
[04:51] <Dr_Fate> HiddenWolf, I have the correct version
[04:52] <znh> Jeo: how did you burn it? - did you just put the iso file on the cdrom?
[04:52] <david_> bob2, lol i'm so lost.  Is there a good tutorial out there for ubuntu apache?
[04:52] <Jeo> used nero to burn the iso
[04:52] <bob2> david_: apache deliberately doesn't have permission to screw with files on disk, so if it gets cracked, the disk can't be written to
[04:52] <IRCMonkey2> is there a netinstall option for ubuntu , and is it much different then debian ?
[04:52] <bob2> david_: the default configuration is fine, leave it alone
[04:52] <znh> Jeo: okay that should be fine.. did you download it from the offical site and chose "Hoary" ?
[04:52] <bob2> david_: if your question is "How do I let me user write files to /var/www/?", then the answer is "sudo chown $USER /var/www/"
[04:52] <zerboxx> How can I open up rar files?
[04:52] <HiddenWolf> Dr_Fate: try a reboot, if you're still having problems with the correct version after that, I'd go and corner a -devel / file a bug
[04:53] <znh> zerboxx: in ubuntu?
[04:53] <zerboxx> znh: Yeah
[04:53] <Jeo> ubuntu hoary hedgehog yes
[04:53] <Jeo> 5.04
[04:53] <Rambo3> is there a netinstall option for ubuntu , and is it much different then debian ?
[04:53] <david_> bob2, ah, now i remember my problem.  When local host is up, i get denyed permission.  apache says The underlying file system permissions do not allow the User/Group under which Apache is running to access the necessary files; or
[04:53] <Dr_Fate> HiddenWolf, yeah, its running waaaay slow
[04:53] <znh> zerboxx: err.. maybe they made unrar for linux already, take a look at http://rarlab.com
[04:53] <Jeo> znh: yes
[04:53] <bob2> david_: then you modified something, change it back
[04:53] <bob2> Rambo3: no, there isn;t
[04:53] <znh> Jeo: that's odd..
[04:54] <Jeo> yup, well ill try somewthing
[04:54] <znh> Jeo: what do you get while booting?
[04:54] <Jeo> it just stops
[04:54] <Jeo> maybe the burned cd is bad, but i can read it fronm windows
[04:54] <Jeo> well ill try something
[04:54] <Jeo> bbl
[04:55] <zerboxx> znh: Found it in synaptic, thanks :)
[04:55] <znh> zerboxx: welcome ;)
[04:55] <bob2> david_: the default config runs great
[04:56] <david_> bob2, ok.  For some reason that chown isn't working... it should be exactly as you typed it, or i replace $USER for my username?
[04:56] <bob2> david_: either way
[04:56] <bob2> your shell will have set it
[04:56] <bob2> also, "isn't working" isn't very specific...
[04:57] <zerboxx> Anyone else have a weird extention/theme problem with Firefox 1.0.6??
[04:58] <znh> zerboxx: didn't notice anything yet
[04:58] <zerboxx> znh: Check out tools>Extentions, mine gives me an error when I do
[04:58] <znh> zerboxx: will do, mom
[04:58] <Alek> hi
[04:59] <david_> bob2, i type that line in, it returns fine, says nothing. WHen i look at folder permissions it still has root listed as owner and group
[04:59] <Alek> can i burn cd in ubuntu?
[04:59] <znh> zerboxx: works fine - currently no extensions
[04:59] <zerboxx> znh: Hmmm question do you have mozilla-firefox and firefox installed, or just one/the other?
[04:59] <Dr_Fate> HiddenWolf, yeah, its fsckd
[04:59] <znh> zerboxx: have you got a 'Proxy Choser' extension? - that one messed mine up some time ago
[04:59] <bob2> david_: "sudo chown $USER /var/www/ ; ls -ld /var/www/"?
[04:59] <bob2> ls with the -d will show something different
[04:59] <zerboxx> znh: I have no extentions, I couldn't get any until I got 1.0.6
[05:00] <HiddenWolf> Dr_Fate: I'm sorry, I can't help you with that, Could you file a bug?
[05:00] <znh> zerboxx: I have got both symlinks (firefox, and mozilla-firefox)
[05:00] <Dr_Fate> HiddenWolf, later, I have work to do now, which is why its so bad, this is costing me $$$
[05:00] <david_> bob2, AHHHHH, found the problem
[05:00] <david_> bob2, thanks :D
[05:01] <bob2> david_: lack of -R?
[05:01] <HiddenWolf> Dr_Fate: you could always downgrade to the previous version
[05:01] <david_> bob2, yes
[05:01] <zerboxx> znh: Hmm then I wonder why mine isn't working.  Did you upgrade manually, or through synaptic?
[05:01] <HiddenWolf> Dr_Fate: in synaptic, use force version on firefox, then apply, then lock version
[05:01] <Dr_Fate> HiddenWolf, they broke it from yesterday, its amazing. I wish I knew what part of the page that is not navigating is called
[05:01] <david_> bob2, well, really the problem is that it's root@localhost, so the $user wasn't really doing anything
[05:01] <znh> zerboxx: hmm.. I just didn't - L O L -
[05:01] <HiddenWolf> Dr_Fate: it seems upstream went messing with the API in their patch.
[05:02] <znh> zerboxx: sorry.. laughing at myself
[05:02] <Dr_Fate> HiddenWolf, there preveious version was borked as well, and downgrading produced nothing but problems for me last time
[05:02] <zerboxx> znh: What do you mean you just didn't?
[05:02] <znh> zerboxx: I didn't update my firefox yet haha, the stupid me
[05:02] <HiddenWolf> Dr_Fate: the 'previous' version meaning the one before you got problems, not the previous security upgrade, but the one before that.
[05:02] <zerboxx> znh: Oohh, heh, well that may be why yours is working :D
[05:03] <znh> zerboxx: yea D'oh!, I'll update too (manualy) lets see what it does
[05:03] <oris_wolfbane> is mozzila sunbird in apt-get?
[05:03] <znh> oris_wolfbane: it's packaged under the name "mozilla-thunderbird"
[05:03] <oris_wolfbane> ta
[05:03] <zerboxx> znh: I used the update through synaptic, so if yours works, I may have to try doing it manualy
[05:03] <znh> yes ta too (whatever)
[05:04] <Dr_Fate> HiddenWolf, I have not been able to do that at all, as I have backports enabled and am not willing to dismantle the system for this crummy browser. They just need to fix it, and detach it from the desktop, so ppl can remove it cleanly, without having to remove ubunut-desktop
[05:04] <znh> zerboxx: I don't think that's the issue.. synaptic is just a front-end of apt-get
[05:04] <[v2hja] > HELLO
[05:04] <HiddenWolf> znh, sunbird != thunderbird
[05:04] <znh> HI
[05:04] <[v2hja] > ubuntu live cd ask a password
[05:04] <[v2hja] > what is it ?
[05:04] <othernoob> does anyone of a plugin for Opera8 like the mplayer plugin for Mozilla/Konqueror/OOo?
[05:04] <znh> HiddenWolf: Oh are they different? lol just thought it was a typo :)
[05:04] <HiddenWolf> Dr_Fate: backports is asking for trouble, can't help you with that
[05:04] <HiddenWolf> znh: thunderbird is email, sunbird is a calender ap
[05:04] <zerboxx> znh: Fixed it *thwap*
[05:05] <Dr_Fate> HiddenWolf, don't need help with that, as its the only thing actually working
[05:05] <znh> zerboxx: how did you?
[05:05] <GT-5> aggaga[
[05:05] <znh> HiddenWolf: Ah, didn't knew yet. Thanks
[05:05] <zerboxx> znh: I thought I closed all firefox windows down, but I didn't, so one which still thought it was 1.0.4 was up.  *still getting used to 4 desktops*
[05:05] <GT-5> hey
[05:05] <znh> zerboxx: :----D
[05:06] <znh> zerboxx: I wish I could have more then 34 workspaces in xfce4 :')
[05:06] <GT-5> how do if  i want  join in server irc.dal.net
[05:06] <GT-5> ?
[05:06] <zerboxx> znh: 34?! Why do you need that many?
[05:06] <znh> GT-5: you may try /connect irc.dal.net
[05:06] <znh> zerboxx: I just want many open :P
[05:06] <zerboxx> znh:  hah!
[05:06] <david_> bob2, i've got that problem again.. :(
[05:07] <david_> ou don't have permission to access /IU one/index.html on this server.
[05:07] <znh> zerboxx: this is what my desktop currently look like: http://isl33t.net/pics/xfce4-hans.jpg
[05:07] <david_> bob2, how is that possible?
[05:07] <bob2> david_: dude
[05:07] <david_> all i did was drag the folder into there
[05:07] <david_> i changed NOTHING
[05:07] <bob2> did you make it readable to apache?
[05:07] <zerboxx> znh: How did you get a ss up so fast?
[05:07] <david_> probally not, since i didn't know i needed too
[05:08] <david_> bob2, thanks for your patience :)
[05:08] <znh> zerboxx: ss = screenshot? - this one is already one day old - but I made it with the gimp
[05:08] <david_> bob2, how do i make it readible to apache?
[05:08] <zerboxx> znh: Oh I thought you just took it now, and it was so quickly online, I was wondering how that was possible
[05:09] <znh> zerboxx: hehe ;) Will do!
[05:09] <bob2> david_: find -type f -print0 | xargs -o chmod ug+r ; find -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod ug+rx
[05:09] <znh> zerboxx: changed my desktop already.. didn't like it yet :D
[05:09] <zerboxx> znh: :D
[05:10] <dafe> how can i increase my screen resolution?
[05:10] <bob2> anyway, files need to be readable by all
[05:10] <Phantasma> i recently switched from fedora core 3 to ubuntu on my IBM thinpad 570, and on fedora when i shut the laptop, it went into a hibernation mode, ubuntu doesnt do that, how can i make it hibernate when i close the machine?
[05:10] <bob2> and dirs readable and executable by all
[05:10] <bob2> the obvious
[05:10] <dafe> is set by default to 600*480 but i know it could give me more
[05:10] <bob2> Phantasma: /etc/default/acpi-support
[05:10] <Phantasma> thanks ill check that out
[05:11] <Phantasma> is that a text file? or an executable?
[05:11] <znh> zerboxx: http://isl33t.net/pics/xfce4-001.jpg
[05:11] <Kyral> sh: /home/kyral/System_Stats: No such file or directory
[05:12] <bob2> Phantasma: actually, no, make /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn call whatever script you want in /etc/acpi/
[05:12] <david_> bob2, i get this error when i do that xargs: invalid option -- o
[05:12] <zerboxx> znh: lol you really did change it already
[05:12] <bob2> david_: -0
[05:12] <[v2hja] > could someone tell me what is the passwrd for ubuntu live cd
[05:12] <znh> zerboxx: yeah.. this is getting nearly perfect :-D
[05:12] <Phantasma> bob2, lost me there :-\
[05:13] <bob2> nevermind then
[05:13] <david_> bob2, so what exactly did that do?
[05:13] <znh> zerboxx: what does yours look like?
[05:13] <bob2> if you don't know basic shell scripting, you can't change the default
[05:13] <david_> bob2, changed all the permi9ssion for that folder?
[05:13] <bob2> perhaps someone else can explain it
[05:13] <bob2> david_: yes
[05:13] <zerboxx> znh: give me a minute :)
[05:13] <bob2> anyway, sleep
[05:13] <david_> bob2, thanks OSOO much for all your help
[05:14] <godzirra> Quick question.. what sort of packaging system does ubuntu use?
[05:14] <znh> May I do a suggestion, I find there should be a 'downgrade' option
[05:14] <HiddenWolf> can anyone here tell me how I can trace why totem is starting slowly?
[05:15] <bob2> znh: not going to happen, sorry
[05:15] <znh> HiddenWolf: what engine have you choosen in totem?
[05:15] <w-mute> gozirra: dpkg just like Debian
[05:15] <bob2> znh: don't upgrade to development versions when everyone tells you it's a bad idea
[05:15] <znh> bob2: oh ok.. may I ask why not?
[05:15] <godzirra> Does anyone know?  i.e. does ubuntu use rpm, apt, etc?
[05:15] <mjr> godzirra, deb, apt
[05:15] <HiddenWolf> znh, gstreamer
[05:15] <godzirra> neato.  Does ubuntu stay as far behind in getting new package as debian seems to?
[05:15] <bob2> Phantasma: change the last line of /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn to /etc/acpi/sleep.sh
[05:15] <Phantasma> k
[05:16] <bob2> godzirra: .deb, of course, it's based on Debian
[05:16] <mjr> godzirra, ubuntu is published every 6 months
[05:16] <znh> HiddenWolf: hm, what does 'top' look like? - are there many apps busy
[05:16] <w-mute> godzirra: Ubuntu releases every 6 months.
[05:16] <bob2> godzirra: no, and debian doesn't generally stay behind anything
[05:16] <bob2> Phantasma: with the obvious leading puncutation
[05:16] <HiddenWolf> znh, my pc can handle a lot more than what I'm currently running, 700mb ram and 80% cpu free
[05:16] <Phantasma> bob2, that text file is empty, should it be?
[05:16] <bob2> znh: because it's a huge amount of work, potentially requiring changes to every package, and is pointless
[05:16] <bob2> Phantasma: no
[05:17] <Phantasma> bob2, oh my type
[05:17] <Phantasma> typo*
[05:17] <znh> HiddenWolf: hm, you might want to try some different engine such as xine (works fast for me)
[05:17] <HiddenWolf> znh, I'm suddenly experiencing the same problems with gxine and vlc
[05:17] <HiddenWolf> noticed an error starting up totem
[05:17] <HiddenWolf> libhal.c 2282 : Error sending msg: No reply within specified time
[05:17] <znh> bob2: pointless isn't the good word, It would be nice for this firefox issue
[05:18] <bob2> znh: then downgrade it manually
[05:18] <hondje> ooh, so now we have the real 1.0.6 firefox now
[05:18] <hondje> or am I reading this wrong
[05:19] <Phantasma> bob2, the changes take place immediatly don't they?
[05:19] <znh> bob2: I don't have the problem, i'm just suggesting
[05:19] <HiddenWolf> Phantasma: you'll have to restart firefox
[05:19] <Phantasma> HiddenWolf, im not doing anything with firefox ;-)
[05:19] <znh> HiddenWolf: is your libhal up2date?
[05:19] <gibson> Hi, i just installed ubuntu. and somehow i click something on my panel. Now i dont have the application , system, etc shown on my panel. Anyway i can restore it ?
[05:20] <david_> Phantasma, they don't take palce imediatly, you'd have to restart the server to notice the change
[05:20] <HiddenWolf> znh, i'm running hoary, nothing fancy, -base and -desktop installed.
[05:20] <david_> Anyone know how to make case insensitive path's in apache?
[05:20] <znh> david_: R T F M
[05:20] <nomed^> hi
[05:20] <kira> hi all somebody works with Flash MX also???
[05:20] <nomed^>  shouldn't pdebuild check build-deps in the chroot env after unpackin base.tgz?
[05:21] <HiddenWolf> znh, that's not the style of #ubuntu
[05:21] <HiddenWolf> znh, at least piont him in the right way
[05:21] <gibson> help ? anybody ?
[05:21] <david_> znh, I've seen the manual and read the faq, but being a dumb ass i can't find it
[05:21] <znh> HiddenWolf: I know, but he is asking things that are in the apache manaul
[05:21] <w-mute> gibson: if nobody answers you may safely assume that nobody has the answer.
[05:21] <bob2> znh: please don't do that
[05:21] <Strife> anyone in here use gnuplot extensively? or at least know offhand how to zoom out?
[05:22] <HiddenWolf> znh, then at the very least don't use caps, and piont him to apache.org, or tell him what to look for within the manual.
[05:22] <gibson> i'm quite stuck here. i dont even know how to reboot
[05:22] <bob2> amen
[05:22] <mjr> gibson, right-click on panel, add to panel, main menu
[05:22] <gibson> with the application tab, i can logout
[05:22] <kira> I have a problem maybe you can help me: I have firefox on ubuntu and on my Flash Website i cant see the fonts but just on ubuntu firefox www.sernji.com
[05:22] <w-mute> gibson: try Alt-F2
[05:22] <znh> bob2, HiddenWolf: right, didn't knew it we're going this way in this channel.. I'm used to be in channels were they told me those words when i'm the asking person
[05:22] <gibson> ah thanks.
[05:22] <bob2> then lurk and learn the style of the channel
[05:23] <bob2> "RTFM" is rude and stupid everywhere
[05:23] <HiddenWolf> bob2, amen to that.
[05:23] <Strife> bob2: amen
[05:23] <Strife> heh
[05:23] <zerboxx> znh: http://muss.cis.mcmaster.ca/~bunforj/jul2605.jpg
[05:23] <znh> znh: http://muss.cis.mcmaster.ca/~bunforj/jul2605.jpg
[05:23] <Phantasma> bob2, i change the text file like you said, and restarted but its not sleeping when i close it
[05:24] <cavediver> Hi. Anyone know why Nautilus CD/DVD burner creates an image every time? I want it to burn the files direct. How can I configure this ?
[05:24] <the--dud> comments/critisism on http://nix-dev.dudcore.net/NetselectAptUbuntu would excellent btw people...
[05:24] <the--dud> just keep in mind its proof of concept :o)
[05:25] <znh> zerboxx: Nice
[05:26] <Phantasma> bob2, if i run /etc/acpi/sleep.sh just from a term it does nothing
[05:26] <znh> bob2: those rude words are usual in some big channels here on freenode, i'm glad they aren't here; sorry
[05:26] <HiddenWolf> david_: try checking out mod_rewrite and the 'nocase' option
[05:27] <zerboxx> znh: Pretty simple comapred to yours imo, but my laptop is blue/grey so I like the continued theme :)
[05:27] <znh> zerboxx: ah yes, I have a white border at my LCD screen.. but dark colors are so nice to your eyes when your watching long to it :P
[05:27] <holycow> znh, is that your site?
[05:28] <znh> holycow: what site? - isl33t.net ?
[05:28] <zerboxx> znh: Oh really? I may have to try dark then :) I am here lots :D
[05:28] <znh> zerboxx: it may be boring in the beginning
[05:28] <holycow> znh, sorry, wrong person
[05:28] <znh> holycow: no problem
[05:28] <djp> is it possible to change someones username for loigging in to ubuntu? if a change is made does it alter all relevant details for their previous username, i.e., their home directory etc?
[05:29] <holycow> if thats kiras site, i haveto say i'm very impressed
[05:29] <mjr> djp, it is possible, though I don't know if there's a quick and easy way to do it
[05:29] <w-mute> djp: a user has an ID. If you don't change that everything might still work.
[05:30] <w-mute> djp: you can rename the home dir of the account if you also change it in /etc/passwd.
[05:30] <mjr> djp, you can edit the name and home dir in /etc/passwd, shadow, group, and gshadow, then rename homedir. Or, homedir doesn't have to be changed but I'd find it confusing not to
[05:30] <znh> djp: you might also want to create a new user, copy the prev. content to your new home folder, and delete the pref user
[05:31] <a2ps> ive installed wpasupplicant, configured the config file, dmesg | grep ipw returns no errors in fact it detects well the network device, sudo wpa_supplicant -B -i eth0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -D ipw -w -dd works like a charm, but im still with no internet
[05:31] <djp> cheers all. now which solutions isbest... ;)
[05:31] <a2ps> has this ever happened to anyone?
[05:31] <no0tic> is there any script that automatically controls and recovers owners and permissions of system files?
[05:31] <mjr> djp, I'd do it my way ;P
[05:32] <djp> mrj: :)
[05:32] <znh> zerboxx: what XMMS theme have you got there?
[05:32] <zerboxx> znh: It's actually beep-media-player
[05:32] <w-mute> znh: why not try beep-media-player?
[05:32] <w-mute> grrr.
[05:33] <w-mute> OK. I'm too slow today. So I quit. Have a nice one.
[05:33] <znh> w-mute: calm down :P
[05:33] <znh> ... :] 
[05:33] <zerboxx> znh: But I've heard they use the same themes :) mine is..."Clearsky"
[05:33] <djp> mrj: i was looking over your solution. are they the only entries that need changing? there is not a possibility that other entries may also need to be changed? i gather doing it your way, keeps the original id intact and has no need for the creation of a new id. would that be correct?
[05:34] <znh> zerboxx: yes they watched it from how winamp did it
[05:34] <mjr> djp, in addition to the user name, personal group name and home dir, of course there's the group membership listings in /etc/group that need to be changed, but yes, the uid would remain the same
[05:35] <djp> mjr: thanks
[05:35] <znh> zerboxx: your such a lucky one having a laptop that can handle the gnome desktop :-O
[05:36] <Spec> znh: what's hard about a laptop handling the gnome desktop?
[05:36] <znh> Spec: asks many resources, a 120mhz won't handle it
[05:36] <Spec> ah, my computar can handle it
[05:36] <Fanskapet> hmm it's ashame that GNOME has so slow user-respondeness :/
[05:36] <Spec> laptop*
[05:37] <znh> Spec: lucky #2
[05:37] <zerboxx> znh: Heh yup, 2.8ghz, p4 chip (not p4mobile) so it heats up pretty nicely :)
[05:37] <Spec> :p
[05:37] <Fanskapet> although im used to BeOS so im pretty spoiled with quick responses from the GUI :=
[05:37] <znh> zerboxx: argh! jelouse :D
[05:37] <Spec> 3ghz p4 HT (not mobile, heats up nicely ~92 degrees C)
[05:37] <znh> Fanskapet: you might want to try xfce4, it's way faster
[05:37] <zerboxx> Spec: Nice!
[05:37] <Spec> that's when it cuts off, :-/
[05:37] <Spec> 17" screen, also, so it drains power in about an hour...but damnit it's fast :p
[05:38] <zerboxx> Spec: Mine cuts out at around 76C, it did that all last year, had to get the fan and heatsink replaced
[05:38] <znh> Spec: 92 degrees :P!
[05:38] <Spec> ah, linux shuts down at 92
[05:38] <znh> Spec: it's being defined in your bios
[05:38] <zerboxx> Spec: ooh that was when I hat M$, I have no idea the heat now, haven't got it working w linux
[05:38] <Spec> is it?
[05:38] <Spec> ACPI gives me messages saying "it's 92 degrees...bye bye" essentially
[05:38] <Spec> *logs may or may not be paraphrased
[05:39] <znh> Spec: oh, didn't knew that - sorry :)
[05:39] <Spec> I'm kinda curious as to what'd happen if I didn't install ACPI, and just let it heat up
[05:39] <Spec> except, I don't wanna have to buy a new processor :p
[05:39] <zerboxx> Spec: ou can test it out
[05:39] <Spec> well, 92C is only 8 degrees C from boiling water
[05:40] <Spec> that's pretty close
[05:41] <Fanskapet> znh, but xfce4 doesn't have much real usefull features
[05:41] <Admin_> Spec, what is your problem ?
[05:41] <zerboxx> Spec: Heh can you imagine making a cup of coffee off your computer?
[05:41] <znh> Fanskapet: what features do you need what gnome has?
[05:41] <Fanskapet> znh, works nice for programming and surfing but not good to much else :)
[05:41] <Admin_> :)))))
[05:42] <Fanskapet> znh, well gnome has plenty of usefull features that xfce4 doesn't have
[05:42] <Admin_> have anyone tried Metisse ?
[05:43] <lok> what is metisse ?
[05:43] <Fanskapet> dead slow in my opinion though
[05:43] <ChaKy> is there a web link with a list of viruses/worms for Apache web server? I know it's not a Ubuntu question :-)
[05:43] <Admin_> Metisse is 3DWM
[05:43] <znh> Fanskapet: It has enough for a window manager, gnome has many packages inside hisself.. you can also use them inside xfce4
[05:44] <Admin_> ChaKy, i doubt that apache can get virus ....
[05:44] <lok> ah yes ... I remember but I never tried it
[05:44] <Fanskapet> well yeah of course but it's not integrated in the wm
[05:44] <Fanskapet> eg many features like smb/nfs sharing direct in the filemanager
[05:44] <Fanskapet> and alot of other usefull tools.
[05:44] <kira> Hallo can somebody help me?!?!
[05:45] <Fanskapet> kira with?
[05:45] <znh> kira: ask the question :)
[05:45] <Admin_> imho GNOME dA BeSt
[05:45] <lok> you surely can use the file-manager without the wm
[05:45] <ChaKy> Admin_: but, there are worms against Apache, but I need to know how many are them
[05:45] <kira> I have ubuntu firefox installed and on my Website (flash) i cant see the text
[05:45] <Fanskapet> ahh.. got BeOS too boot with GRUB today. at last after recreation of my whole partition-table
[05:45] <kira> on windows on all browseres it works
[05:45] <Admin_> kira, install flash plug-in
[05:45] <sproingie> ChaKy: go to securityfocus
[05:45] <kira> www.sernji.com
[05:46] <Fanskapet> lok sure.. but if you run the GNOME WM it still has to load the GNOME core ?
[05:46] <znh> kira: You might have to install the flash plugin :)
[05:46] <Fanskapet> like KDE
[05:46] <Fanskapet> and that takes some memory
[05:46] <kira> i have installed i see the animations and images but the text is unvisible
[05:46] <ChaKy> sproingie: thanks, I will look there
[05:46] <kira> and the fonts tahoma i also have on my system
[05:46] <Admin_> Flash does not use fontsa
[05:46] <Admin_> Flash does not use fonts
[05:46] <Fanskapet> then it's really not any use using xfce if you're going to load up the memory with GNOME anyway :)
[05:47] <Admin_> it draws everything in flash
[05:47] <Admin_> :)
[05:47] <lok> Fanskapet, gnome is a DE metisse a WM it must be less integreted and heavy than gnome
[05:47] <david_> i would like to turn this module on...all i do is put checkspelling ON in the apache.conf right?
[05:47] <david_> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_speling.html
[05:47] <znh> Is it possible to make a symlink to a folder?
[05:47] <elph0> i got it!... i configure my chipset and monitor refresh rate. If someone have problems with Intel 82865G and a SyncMaster 753V... i can help :P
[05:47] <kira> The same Problem with www.controlpanel.at the login form the font s are unvisible
[05:47] <Admin_> david_
[05:47] <lok> so you can try to use his file-manager without a memory leak :)
[05:47] <Admin_> AddModule mod_speling.so
[05:47] <Admin_> :)
[05:47] <Admin_> oops
[05:48] <david_> i do that in the terminal?
[05:48] <Admin_> LoadModule mod_speling mod_speling.so
[05:48] <Admin_> yes you need to edit your httpd.conf
[05:48] <znh> How to make hard links to a directory?
[05:49] <Admin_> what you mean ?
[05:49] <znh> just like I said?
[05:49] <Fanskapet> lok ah well xfce doesn't really feel my needs anyway so i'd better stick with gnome.
[05:49] <Fanskapet> but it's still pretty slow :)
[05:49] <Admin_> zhh like symlinks ?
[05:49] <Fanskapet> not as bad as KDE though
[05:49] <znh> Admin_: I don't know
[05:49] <Fanskapet> but KDE is terrible :)
[05:50] <Admin_> Fanskapet, KDE is for beginners
[05:50] <Admin_> cuz its simple
[05:50] <GT-5> ada yg dari indonesia
[05:50] <znh> Admin_: how to make a symlink?
[05:50] <Admin_> ehm actually i don't remember
[05:50] <Admin_> i will try now
[05:50] <znh> same here -_-'
[05:50] <Admin_> wait
[05:51] <Fanskapet> Admin_, GNOME isn't any less easier to use than KDE
[05:51] <Gourami> Hi all, quick question, if I am connecting to a printer shared on a windows pc which should I use CUPS or SMB ?
[05:51] <MartenH> to completly remove wpa_supplicant and ndiswrapper I removed them with apt-get and then did a search and removed any files/folders related. Is there more I should do?
[05:51] <no0tic> Gourami: SMB
[05:51] <Spec> symlink = `ln -s /path/to/file /path/to/symlink`
[05:51] <znh> Spec: and for directorys?
[05:51] <Spec> same thing
[05:52] <no0tic> MartenH: apt-get remove --purge does that job for you
[05:52] <Spec> dpkg --purge <package>
[05:52] <Admin_> ehm
[05:52] <znh> Spec: does not work for me
[05:52] <Admin_> i have remembered
[05:52] <Admin_> shh
[05:52] <znh> Spec: Invalid cross-device link
[05:52] <MartenH> no0tic: ty
[05:52] <david_> Admin_, Should i edit httpd.conf or  us the mods available thing?
[05:52] <Admin_> link ORIGINAL LINK
[05:52] <Spec> I've never ever seen that error messages, :p
[05:52] <MartenH> no0tic: can I still run that now afterwards?
[05:53] <Simira> Ubuntu t-shirts are available in Europe now: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/t-shirt
[05:53] <znh> Spec: nvm, fixed
[05:53] <Spec> I have a ubuntu t-shirt :)
[05:53] <Admin_> you should install module first
[05:53] <Spec> custom made for extra sexiness
[05:53] <no0tic> MartenH: if you removed it, and then removed manually all files/dirs it's not necessary
[05:53] <Admin_> and then propogate it in httpd.conf
[05:53] <Admin_> :)))
[05:53] <ewhitten> on a dual display setup, is there any way to stop the windows from showing up in the exact center of the screen?  Or at least, make them remember their locations when I close them?
[05:53] <MartenH> no0tic: ok
[05:54] <GT-5> ada yg dari indonesia
[05:54] <david_> Admin_, i guess my problem is i don't understand how to install it, other than just saying loadmodule....
[05:54] <Admin_> GT-5 English please
[05:54] <Spec> aww, my shirt is better than that one :p
[05:54] <GT-5> #gresikcarding
[05:54] <turkuaz> when can we expect X to be fixed in breezy?
[05:54] <Gourami> is there a way I can test printing from a terminal because I cant get it working from the system - printers
[05:54] <Admin_> david_, just copy / paste it
[05:54] <Admin_> untar
[05:54] <Admin_> and then
[05:54] <Admin_> :)
[05:54] <Spec> Gourami: lpr filename.txt i think
[05:55] <Gourami> I get Printing: Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL
[05:55] <david_> Admin_,  copy and paste what?  LoadModule mod_speling mod_speling.so that line?
[05:55] <molotov> I have booted using the ubuntu livecd, and am a new linux user - ubuntu is asking me for the user 'ubuntu's password, which i've read online that there is none set. however, entering nothing at the prompt only cancels login. what is the livecd ubuntu password?
[05:55] <Spec> I hope mod_speling.so is not a spelling module :p
[05:55] <Admin_> YOU NEED FIRST TO DOWNLOAD THAT MODULE
[05:55] <Admin_> sorry for caps guys
[05:55] <Gourami> hehe
[05:56] <Gourami> thought ud lost ure temper there for a sec
[05:56] <Admin_> Gourami, works ?
[05:56] <no0tic> molotov: tried "ubuntu"?
[05:56] <david_> Admin_, i believe it is built into apache or i don't see wehre to download it.
[05:56] <molotov> tried ubuntu
[05:56] <david_> sorry for being such a n00b :(
[05:56] <Gourami> Admin_: no, I get Printing: Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL
[05:56] <Admin_> :)
[05:56] <Admin_> i will think about this know Gourami
[05:56] <molotov> no0tic: also tried admin, administrator, sudo, to no avail
[05:56] <no0tic> molotov: where did it ask you for user/pass?
[05:56] <Gourami> Admin_: I have installed print services for unix
[05:57] <Admin_> cups ?
[05:57] <Simira> Spec : you're one of the few lucky ones, then ;)
[05:57] <znh> (offtopic)php comments are // right?
[05:57] <Gourami> Admin_: SMB
[05:57] <no0tic> molotov: terminal, graphical interface?
[05:57] <GT-5> this is chanel hacker ?
[05:57] <Spec> Simira: why?
[05:57] <Amaranth> GT-5: ?
[05:58] <molotov> no0tic: i was playing around with ubuntu and was trying to put my laptop to sleep so I can take it to campus and fiddle around some more, the closest thing I couldnfind was locking the screen. [graphical interface]  - right now, the screen is drawing fractals and asking asking for me to log in :P
[05:58] <Spec> GT-5: This is the #Ubuntu channel as far as I know....
[05:59] <Admin_> Gourami,
[05:59] <Admin_> type in terminal
[05:59] <Admin_> lptest
[05:59] <redtech> molotov: if you choose Log Out , you can hibernate it
[05:59] <no0tic> molotov: ah!
[06:00] <no0tic> redtech: it's on a live
[06:00] <Gourami> Admin_: yebo
[06:00] <no0tic> molotov: well...
[06:00] <molotov> ooo groovy, i just need to be able to log back in to hibernate it
[06:00] <Admin_> works ?
[06:00] <molotov> hehe, the power button won't work either. I suppose i'll just have to let the battery drain :/
[06:00] <no0tic> molotov: tried blank?
[06:00] <redtech> no0tic: oops
[06:00] <Admin_> it should print 96 ASCII symbols
[06:00] <Gourami> Admin_: command not found
[06:00] <molotov> when i try not entering anything, it says "login cancelled" in the password field
[06:00] <Admin_> fck
[06:01] <zerboxx> What kernel comes wtih ubuntu, and what is the command to see this in terminal?
[06:01] <znh> Admin_: watch your words plz
[06:01] <molotov> oh well, I held the power button and am rebooting
[06:01] <igge> my xmms hangs when I try to play mp3:s... any ideas?
[06:01] <no0tic> zerboxx: uname
[06:02] <molotov> i'll make sure to set user settings first thing, lesson learned!
[06:02] <zerboxx> no0tic: "Linux" ok, good start, but a kernel #? :D
[06:02] <zAo^> zerboxx, $ uname -r
[06:02] <zAo^>  >>>2.6.10-5-k7
[06:02] <no0tic> zerboxx: uname  -r
[06:02] <bidadari-kompute> http://www.wku.edu/error.html  <<< heheheheh
[06:02] <zerboxx> zAo^: Thanks!
[06:02] <zerboxx> no0tic: Thanks!
[06:02] <bidadari-kompute> :)
[06:02] <zerboxx> Now to figure out why my temp monitors don't work...
[06:03] <no0tic> molotov: why you don't install it?
[06:03] <molotov> thank you no0tic and redtech for your help though
[06:03] <Admin_> znh sorry
[06:03] <Admin_> Gourami, try ubuntuguide.org
[06:03] <zerboxx> Spec: How do you see your cpu temp?
[06:04] <Gourami> Admin_: already there, *sigh*
[06:04] <Admin_> :)
[06:04] <molotov> no0tic: i'm chicken :P. I've got a 12"powerbook and a Pc desktop, and i'm experimenting on which flavor to wipe my desktop with. I was playing with a Ubuntu LiveCD just for fun on my mac.
[06:04] <Admin_> what printer do you have ?
[06:04] <Gourami> Admin_: Hp Laserjet 3015
[06:04] <Admin_> oooooohhh
[06:04] <Admin_> thats bad
[06:04] <the--dud> btw, did anyone look at that netselect-apt-ubuntu I posted a bit earlier? ;/
[06:04] <no0tic> molotov: :)
[06:04] <Gourami> works on Laserjet 3 drivers, can print from linux to linux
[06:05] <Admin_> it is PCL printer
[06:05] <Gourami> think so
[06:05] <Admin_> nor standart nor PostScript
[06:05] <Spec> zerboxx: i have to be at my box to do it, it's in proc, thermal something
[06:05] <Gourami> pcl
[06:05] <Admin_> they are designed / developed for MS ... Winsuxx
[06:05] <Spec> zerboxx: find /proc |grep -i therm might show you where to start looking
[06:05] <Spec> zerboxx: but also, on my laptop I use gentoo
[06:06] <Gourami> Admin_: it works fine when connected to a linux machine, my problem is printing through windows
[06:06] <Admin_> my too
[06:06] <Admin_> i have 5L
[06:06] <Admin_> and i cant connect to Windows Shared Printer
[06:06] <Admin_> it just wont see it
[06:06] <Gourami> fck
[06:07] <Admin_> so install
[06:07] <Gourami> I did have it working a while I ago but I cant remember how...
[06:07] <Admin_> printer on linux
[06:07] <Gourami> I remember having a port number in the url of the printer
[06:08] <Admin_> and print on Windows like Network printing
[06:08] <ShadowXP> Hello
[06:08] <Gourami> Admin_: then I have the same problem with the windows users
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> Admin_: what Windows is it?
[06:08] <dabaR> hi, HaXorZ
[06:08] <Admin_> 98 SE
[06:08] <Gourami> Kamping_Kaiser: XP Pro
[06:08] <ShadowXP> I'm planning to switch from Windows XP to Ubuntu but I have some questions before I do so.
[06:08] <Admin_> Gourami,
[06:08] <Gourami> ShadowXP: the answer is yes, go ahead
[06:08] <Admin_> the network link will be
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> with xp you can install UNIX priting
[06:09] <dabaR> ShadowXP: why not just use xp, its better:~)
[06:09] <Gourami> Kamping_Kaiser: have done so
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[06:09] <Admin_> http://server/.printer
[06:09] <Gourami> Admin_: I could only get that working with a port number in there somewhere
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> share it as a printer that Linux is compatible with, and then share it... worked for me and my mate
[06:09] <elph0> Can i play cda(music cd) in ubuntu?
[06:09] <Gourami> thats CUPS right ?
[06:09] <no0tic> ShadowXP: what are the questions?
[06:09] <ShadowXP> Basically, I rely on using a wireless connection from my downstairs computer to this computer, so is it easy enough to reinstall my PCI card once I have installed it?
[06:09] <dabaR> elph0: off course.
[06:10] <Admin_> elph0, yes you can
[06:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> Gourami: which way are you sharing?
[06:10] <Admin_> ShadowXP, offcourse
[06:10] <Gourami> Kamping_Kaiser: How on earth do you set as a shared linux printer never seen that before
[06:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> ShadowXP: it may be easy
[06:10] <elph0> ok... i was thinking that i can too, but they arent playing!
[06:10] <Spec> (Wait...you can play music cds in linux? o.O)
[06:10] <Gourami> Kamping_Kaiser: from Linux to Windows and Windows to Windows
[06:10] <no0tic> ShadowXP: you can install ubuntu in dual boot wih windows
[06:10] <no0tic> Spec: yes!
[06:10] <ShadowXP> It's a Belkin FD57000 from what I can remember
[06:10] <ShadowXP> no0tic: That would be useful
[06:11] <dabaR> elph0: put in a cd?
[06:11] <elph0> the cd are mounted (automaticaly by the cd reproducer program) but doesnt work
[06:11] <no0tic> ShadowXP: you could search in google for compatibility
[06:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> Gourami: with the printer on Windows,
[06:11] <isai> I have a usb webcam. I plugged it into my computer. How do I get the video? I'm completely lost.
[06:11] <dabaR> elph0: so, the little gnome-cd-player is open, and playing, but no sound? or its not playing?
[06:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> you need the printer shared as somthing Linux is compatible with, even if it's not the exact right driver
[06:11] <molotov> no0tic: just a final thought, i'm setting up users now and I checked the ubuntu account which seems to have a password set. Also, I notice that it is the same number of characters as my powerbook's admin account - perhaps ubuntu fetched the laptop's original admin pass? I didn't think to try it again before I over-wrote it, but it might be something worth considering if it ever comes up again.
[06:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> sharing Linux printers, you need samba
[06:12] <elph0> dabaR: its not playing
[06:12] <Gourami> I have samba on the linux machine
[06:12] <ShadowXP> Is dual booting easy enough to do and easy enough to switch between OS's?
[06:12] <no0tic> molotov: i think it's very difficult
[06:12] <elph0> sound its ok...
[06:12] <Admin_> elph0, check
[06:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> ShadowXP: yes
[06:12] <Admin_> the
[06:12] <Admin_> audio cable
[06:12] <no0tic> molotov: same number of characters doesn't correspond to same lenght of passowrds
[06:12] <Admin_> Analog
[06:12] <david_> ok,i now realize that i have to type AddModule mod_speling.c  somewhere, where exactly do i put that line?
[06:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> Gourami: you just have to hack the samba config file to share the printer
[06:13] <Admin_> check for lines like
[06:13] <molotov> no0tic: alright, that sounds fair enough :P
[06:13] <Admin_> LoadModule
[06:13] <Admin_> :)))
[06:13] <dabaR> elph0: sudo aptitude install sound-juicer
[06:13] <Gourami> Kamping_Kaiser: can you be more specific ?
[06:13] <Admin_> hey guys do you know that Friday is Sysadmins day ?
[06:13] <elph0> dabaR: why install another player?
[06:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> Gourami: I'll just check my conf
[06:15] <molotov> well nuts, now I am having trouble hibernating or suspending my laptop
[06:15] <Gourami> Kamping_Kaiser: Ok I have installed the printer on the windows machine as HP LaserJet III which I presume is the same as Laserjet 3 which is in Ubuntu
[06:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. using UNIX shares or samba shares?
[06:15] <elph0> whow...sorry... now i was dumb... sound juicer is already installed... i now i am "riping"... but i want to play cds (cda format) too
[06:16] <Gourami> Kamping_Kaiser:  ?
[06:16] <dabaR> elph0: sudo aptitude searrch sound-juicer
[06:16] <dabaR> one r
[06:16] <Andares> Er,,
[06:16] <Andares> Does Ubuntu have yacc in its apt repository?
[06:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> Gourami: is the Windows printer shared using Windows file shareing (samba/smb) or UNIX services for Windows?
[06:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> or not yet shared?
[06:17] <dabaR> Andares: /msg ubotu info yacc if your nick is registered
[06:17] <glguy> I've noticed that on my install of GNOME, when i use "Connect to Server..." to connect to an ftp server, and then disconnect, that the connection remains in 'netstat -ap | grep ftp' for a very long time
[06:17] <bob2> you want bison
[06:17] <Gourami> Kamping_Kaiser: the destination machine is a windows machine, with standard windows sharing, I have also installed Unix print services, I have no idea how to share a windows printer for linux
[06:17] <bob2> not yacc
[06:17] <Andares> bison?
[06:17] <glguy> can anywhere running Ubuntu verify if this happens on ubuntu please??
[06:18] <dabaR> bob2: is there a reason cds dont play out the box on ubuntu?
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> Gourami: sorry, you saying destination confused me, which has the printer?
[06:18] <dabaR> audio.
[06:19] <Gourami> Kamping_Kaiser: the printer is on a windows xp machine and I am trying to print from Ubuntu
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks
[06:19] <no0tic> Gourami: install ubuntu on the windows machine :)
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> so set up the printer using Ubuntu
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[06:20] <Gourami> no0tic: I would love to but its a office environment and we are still bound to have a few windows machines around
[06:20] <dabaR> elph0: seen what sound'juicer is?
[06:21] <Gourami> besides if ubuntu isnt able to print to a windows machine I would be sorely dissappointed
[06:22] <GT-5> hehehehehe
[06:22] <GT-5> http://pillowdiscounters.com/shop/fmail.asp
[06:22] <GT-5> http://pillowdiscounters.com/shop/db/store.mdb  << creditcard
[06:22] <GT-5> http://pillowdiscounters.com/shop/db/store.mdb  << creditcard
[06:22] <GT-5> heheh
[06:22] <funkyHat> i'm following the samba setup wiki, but i don't have an 'enable windows networking' tickbox? :S
[06:22] <funkyHat> ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba?highlight=%28samba%29 )
[06:22] <dabaR> GT-5: wtf?
[06:23] <GT-5> wtf it's my friend
[06:23] <dabaR> what the hell is wrong with you?
[06:23] <dabaR> credit cards? identity theft?
[06:23] <Gourami> so is that the final answer, Ubuntu isnt cabale of printing on a windows platform ?
[06:23] <dabaR> Gourami: have you used samba?
[06:23] <GT-5> wtf << it's my friend nick in antihackerlink
[06:24] <Gourami> dabaR: please be more specific
[06:24] <dabaR> Gourami: hae you tried samba for what you are tryiong to accomplish?
[06:25] <Gourami> dabaR: I am still not sure of your question but I presume that would mean no
[06:25] <dabaR> weirdo.
[06:25] <dabaR> not you Gourami .
[06:26] <Gourami> not me ?
[06:26] <dabaR> Gourami: well, for windows-linux printing and sttuff, I have heard samba is what is used, please visit the wiki.ubuntu.com, and search for samba, or so.
[06:26] <dabaR> Gourami: I said weirdo, but not to you.
[06:27] <Gourami> no u didnt but thanks anyways
[06:27] <Gourami> 18:23 < dabaR> Gourami: have you used samba?
[06:27] <dabaR> yes, go serach for samba on the wiki, that may help.
[06:28] <ewhitten> Gourami:  also look at the Samba/file sharing sections at http://ubuntuguide.org/.  Also a good step in the right direction
[06:28] <Gourami> I just feel very frustrated by how everyone clams up when ure trying to get something done between Ubuntu and Windows, and the common answer is oh well just install Ubuntu
[06:29] <Gourami> If I cant get the two to work together there is no future for linux in our company
[06:29] <Gourami> and thats the bottom dollar
[06:29] <funkyHat> Gourami, it can be done, have you read about samba?
[06:29] <vkm> I'm running Ubuntu Hoary on a Thinkpad T22 and having issues with sound support. Although lsmod indicates appropriate sound modules are loaded (in 'alsa emulation' mode), cat /dev/sndstat seems to agree, alsamixer reports all volumes are on at full (and the internal speaker is turned up just below horrible screetching range) , but when I attempt to play a test .au file, no sound comes out. I have the same issue when attempting to use the
[06:29] <Gourami> funkyHat: I will read up some more and see if I have any luck
[06:30] <Gourami> thanks
[06:30] <dabaR> Gourami: the thing is that people would like to help you, but dont use windows, there is many people on this chjannel, that I have seen that got samba working, with minor difficulty.
[06:30] <shark_> any volunteer for writting linux article?
[06:30] <dabaR> shark_: ha,
[06:30] <Gourami> dabaR: try battling for 3 weeks
[06:30] <ewhitten> Gourami: also search on ubuntuforums.org.  There are many people doing just what you are looking to do.
[06:31] <funkyHat> Gourami, i'm having a bit of trouble setting up samba on my machine at the moment, so i'm fiddling with it, once i get it working i'll probably be in a better position to help
[06:31] <Gourami> thanks funkyHat, I get everything else working with samba just printing and I dont unfortunately have hours and hours to spend digging for a solution
[06:32] <Gourami> thanks everyone, gotta run, may just be back to bug ya some more tomorrow
[06:32] <funkyHat> Gourami, the other option is you can add some kind of cups support to your windows box
[06:32] <funkyHat> (there's a unix printing addon for networking)
[06:32] <Gourami> funkyHat: do you know how ?
[06:32] <funkyHat> in network settings
[06:32] <Gourami> funkyHat: I have installed Unix printing support
[06:33] <funkyHat> oh right, i don't really know any more than that
[06:33] <admin0> hi  all .. I have a HT processor , but ubuntu is not detecting that by start and NOT installing a SMP kernel
[06:33] <funkyHat> if you get samba working that isn't needed anywat
[06:33] <funkyHat> *anyway
[06:33] <admin0> via synaptic, i installed the SMP kernel, but when I boot with that, it just hangs
[06:33] <Gourami> no hassle thanks again
[06:33] <Spec> admin0: just apt-get an SMP kernel then
[06:33] <Spec> admin0: oh
[06:33] <vkm> I couldn't find relevant info on UbuntuForums (all T22 sound problems seemed to be about interactions with apm). I'm skeptical that it's a hardware problem, since some audio programs are also behaving oddly - mpg123 and xmms, for example, hang, and when I interrupt playback they report being stuck at time 0:00.
[06:33] <Spec> admin0: that sucks :p
[06:33] <admin0> :)
[06:34] <Spec> i don't know what to tell you -- i usually compile my own kernels
[06:34] <admin0> i want to get rid of XP and migrate to ubuntu completely, but this small issue is coming up
[06:34] <Prozac> what is the best combination of audio/media players?
[06:34] <admin0> i will then have XP inside vmware
[06:35] <admin0> are any of you using HT cpu ? does it detect and install smp kernel or you need to apt-get later on ?
[06:35] <funkyHat> admin0, if i remember correctly, you shouldn't be using the SMP kernel for a HT processor
[06:35] <dabaR> Prozac: one that works.
[06:36] <eknowledg> Thank God for bitchX
[06:36] <Prozac> dabar:  is xmms/xine a good combo?
[06:36] <eknowledg> guys, my gnome isn't starting
[06:36] <dabaR> that is what I uised when I used ubuntu
[06:36] <eknowledg> and I don't know where to start on fixing the problem
[06:36] <dabaR> eknowledg: give us a short story of how it goes from when you turn on your computer, please. eknowledg
[06:37] <admin0> hmm.. fedora, ubuntu seem to auto detect and work fine on HT using smp
[06:37] <ewhitten> Prozac:  I prefer muine/rhythmbox for audio and totem/vlc for video
[06:37] <admin0> its just that i have been using ubuntu for a long time now to finally decide to replace XP with it
[06:38] <Prozac> vlc is no good:  no playlist
[06:38] <Prozac> or can i get it to use one?
[06:38] <ewhitten> Prozac: in VLC, click View, then Playlist
[06:38] <Prozac> oh...thanks!
[06:39] <ewhitten> np
[06:39] <ubuntu_> kurwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:39] <eknowledg> anyone wanna help getting X started?
[06:39] <ubuntu_> kurwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:39] <ubuntu_> kurwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:39] <ubuntu_> kurwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:39] <eknowledg> what the hell?
[06:39] <ubuntu_> kurwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:39] <ubuntu_> kurwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:39] <ubuntu_> kurwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:39] <ubuntu_> kurwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:39] <admin0> is it acpi ?
[06:39] <dbernar1> hell just get banned
[06:39] <ubuntu_> kurwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:39] <ubuntu_> kurwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:39] <ubuntu_> kurwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:39] <ubuntu_> kurwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:39] <admin0> someone ban ubuntu_
[06:39] <ubuntu_> kurwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:39] <wezzer-> damn, shut up
[06:39] <dbernar1> ubuntu is a moron
[06:39] <Prozac> why cant i get vlc to select multiple files to play at once
[06:39] <ubuntu_> kurwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:39] <ubuntu_> kurwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:39] <ubuntu_> kurwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:39] <dbernar1> thanks
[06:39] <slask3n> fuck you ubuntu_ !!
[06:40] <desrt> slask3n; ease up man
[06:40] <admin0> thanks zeR
[06:40] <desrt> slask3n; PG13 :P
[06:40] <elph0> dabaR: i simple reboot and the sound worked. it was playing in the start before
[06:40] <slask3n> desrt: hehe
[06:40] <dbernar1> elph0: very cool.
[06:40] <zeR> admin0, lol what? :)
[06:40] <tritium> slask3n, not here please
[06:40] <elph0> whow ... it recognize my card reader
[06:40] <admin0> for banning that guy :)
[06:41] <dbernar1> admin0: tritium is an op.
[06:41] <zeR> admin0, i banned nobody ;)
[06:41] <slask3n> tritium: sorry...
[06:41] <admin0> aah
[06:41] <admin0> sorry
[06:41] <Prozac> why cant i get vlc to select multiple files to play at once
[06:41] <admin0> :)
[06:41] <tritium> not necessary ;)
[06:41] <tritium> but thanks
[06:42] <admin0> :D
[06:42] <elph0> why the portuguese (brazilian) is so wrong!
[06:42] <slask3n> what does kurwa mean actually?
[06:42] <dbernar1> whore prolly
[06:42] <dbernar1> anyhow
[06:42] <dbernar1> where is that guy whose gnome wont start?
[06:42] <eknowledg> Failed to load module "nvidia"
[06:42] <eknowledg> fatal screen error
[06:43] <eknowledg> no displays found
[06:43] <eknowledg> what to do about this?
[06:43] <dbernar1> eknowledg: did it ever work?
[06:43] <tritium> eknowledg, is the "nvidia" kernel module loaded?  please "lsmod | grep nvidia"
[06:43] <eknowledg> dbernar1 yeah, it just stopped today
[06:43] <elph0> Mdia Amovvel hurts! In portuguese its Mdia Removvel
[06:43] <Prozac> is there any way i can select multiple files to play from within vlc?
[06:43] <tritium> eknowledg, did anything change today that might have made it stop working?
[06:44] <eknowledg> tritium yeap it says that it's loaded
[06:44] <tritium> eknowledg, okay, what changed today?
[06:44] <eknowledg> I haven't the slightest clue...I booted up and that's what I got
[06:44] <dashinboy> i had problem with my. DHCP server
[06:45] <tritium> eknowledg, take a look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log please
[06:45] <dbernar1> Prozac: is there a playlist in your menus?
[06:45] <Prozac> um yes
[06:45] <dbernar1> put files in it
[06:45] <eknowledg> tritium alrighty, what would you like to know from it?
[06:45] <Prozac> oh crap....nevermind!  i had to hold down Shift while selecting
[06:45] <tritium> eknowledg, errors marked with (EE)
[06:45] <dbernar1> Prozac: only one file at a time plays
[06:45] <Prozac> oops im such an idiot
[06:46] <dbernar1> thats cool
[06:46] <Prozac> right i know only one file plays but i didnt know how to do anything ;/ im a linux moron
[06:46] <admin0> anyone on HT and using SMP here ?
[06:46] <eknowledg> tritium can't copy, but it says "EE No drivers found
[06:46] <eknowledg> "
[06:47] <eknowledg> sorry
[06:47] <eknowledg> tritium "no drivers available"
[06:47] <tritium> eknowledg, please paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log on pastebin
[06:47] <isai> I want to compile in the quickcam module for my kernel. Are there kernel sources in synaptic, or should I go to kernel.org
[06:47] <dbernar1> admin0: expand those
[06:47] <eknowledg> how can I do that
[06:47] <Prozac> how do i  delete files from within the console?
[06:47] <qt2> i'm trying to figure out, is there a simple linux equivelant of say, metaframe for xp?
[06:47] <tritium> isai, linux-source-2.6.10
[06:48] <dbernar1> isai: in synaptic
[06:48] <tritium> isai, but if you want to compile a module, all you really need in linux-headers=$(uname -r)
[06:48] <tritium> s/in/is
[06:49] <znh> Do there exist software 'spamfilters/proxys' against porno and such for linux?
[06:49] <dbernar1> znh: prolly
[06:49] <tritium> oops, that's linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[06:49] <znh> dbernar1: prolly?
[06:49] <dbernar1> znh: probably
[06:49] <znh> dbernar1: :)
[06:49] <slask3n> how can i make my usb webcam load after my souncard so ubuntu want kid aroound and set the usb cam as an primary sounddevice instead of the soundcard.?
[06:49] <dbernar1> znh: parental control?
[06:50] <znh> dbernar1: yea something like that
[06:50] <Prozac> how do i delete files from within the terminal?
[06:50] <hondje> znh: yes, there are quite a few
[06:50] <znh> Prozac: rm, see the manpage for more details
[06:50] <dbernar1> znh: very good question
[06:50] <isai> Prozac: rm
[06:50] <Prozac> ah
[06:50] <znh> hondje: do you know some names?
[06:50] <znh> dbernar1: how come?
[06:51] <dbernar1> znh: cause, it is a commonly used thing, and I dont know about a package that does that.
[06:51] <admin0> is it ACPI ?
[06:51] <hondje> dansgaurdian comes to mind, using squid and setting up your own is another way
[06:51] <znh> dbernar1: right
[06:51] <Prozac> rm: cannot remove `/usr/bin/RealPlayer': Is a directory
[06:51] <Prozac>   how can i delete the directory
[06:51] <znh> hondje: hmm
[06:51] <slask3n> Prozac: rmdir
[06:52] <znh> hondje: dansgaurdian seems to be interesting
[06:52] <waltz> Hoary Hedgehog is a later release than Warty Warthog right?
[06:52] <hondje> there are a LOT of solutions out there, best thing to do is start googling around I think
[06:52] <Prozac> can i force a rmdir?  how
[06:52] <slask3n> waltz: Yes, hoary is the current stable
[06:52] <hondje> and don't let people give you that censorship nonsense :)
[06:52] <Subliminal> i think gnome, or something is running over the top of kde, it's changed my wallpaper and has the gnome right click menu (over the desktop) but the kmenu and etc is still there
[06:52] <waltz> ok
[06:53] <david_> i'm trying to exec the CS server, but i get this error:
[06:53] <david_> The filename "hldsupdatetool.bin" indicates that this file is of type "unknown". The contents of the file indicate that the file is of type "executable". If you open this file, the file might present a security risk to your system.
[06:53] <david_> Do not open the file unless you created the file yourself, or received the file from a trusted source. To open the file, rename the file to the correct extension for "executable", then open the file normally. Alternatively, use the Open With menu to choose a specific application for the file.
[06:53] <znh> hondje: well yea, that's fully true. But mostly they are for win32 platforms, that's why I ask in a #ubuntu channel
[06:53] <david_> why?
[06:53] <hondje> znh: if you can put a box between the clients and the internet, it's really not too hard at all to set up, and there are commercial options if you're so inclined
[06:53] <znh> david_: Do the following: "chmod +x hldsupdatetool.bin"
[06:54] <dbernar1> Prozac: what dir?
[06:54] <Prozac> /usr/bin/RealPlayer
[06:54] <Prozac> i need to delete the program
[06:54] <dbernar1> so the folder is usr/bin/realplayer?
[06:54] <david_> znh, thanks,whta does the +x do?
[06:55] <dbernar1> add exectuable privileges to the file.
[06:55] <znh> david_: it makes it executeable, means it can be ran (that you can execute the program)
[06:56] <godzirra> Can you use a windows manager other than gnome and still have the "updates" button?  And does the updates button show only updates for things you have installed?
[06:56] <dbernar1> znh: http://www.cecea.org/jojo/cleanweb/
[06:56] <eknowledg> Yup...just tried to restart...doesn't work
[06:56] <dbernar1> znh: looks decent, links to sites...
[06:56] <david_> znh, that didin't work. The icon changes to a foot for a monent, but as soon as i clidk it it goes back to that error message
[06:56] <dbernar1> iok, Im off later.
[06:56] <eknowledg> I don't understand how nvidia just stops loading
[06:56] <znh> dbernar1: bye, and thanks
[06:56] <waltz> Ok, so if I download the latest release, burn the image onto a CD, insert the CD into the reader, reboot the machine, will the CD install on a new harddrive?
[06:56] <dbernar1> remember to stay l33t, haX0rZ
[06:57] <znh> lol:)
[06:57] <dabaR> its not that funny
[06:57] <Prozac> sudo rmdir /usr/bin/RealPlayer does not work
[06:57] <Prozac> ;(
[06:57] <znh> dabaR: is that an answer for me?
[06:57] <dabaR> I was wondering where I lost this window, and it was on another desktop...
[06:57] <dabaR> Im dbernar1.
[06:57] <dabaR> or dabar.
[06:58] <znh> dabaR: ah :), well it kinda was
[06:58] <dabaR> Prozac: look, is it a dir?
[06:58] <david_> quit "peaceout"
[06:58] <david_> woops, lol
[06:58] <eknowledg> damn it...he's on lunch....anyone know how to get my xserver working again?
[06:58] <dabaR> I know I said tit for that purpose. I have this thing for saying its not that funny when people laugh.
[06:58] <Prozac> yes
[06:58] <dabaR> not tit, it.
[06:58] <Prozac> dabar, it is a dir
[06:58] <znh> eknowledg: knock knock
[06:58] <dabaR> Prozac: erase everything in it first.
[06:58] <Prozac> um how?
[06:58] <dabaR> rm
[06:58] <Prozac> must i rm -f or anything?
[06:59] <znh> rm can be also readed as read manual, wich is rude :+
[06:59] <dabaR> sudo rm -r /usr/bin/RealPlayer will remove the whiole dir, and everything in it.
[06:59] <Prozac> rm: cannot remove `/usr/bin/RealPlayer/Bin': Is a directory
[06:59] <Prozac> rm: cannot remove `/usr/bin/RealPlayer/codecs': Is a directory
[06:59] <Prozac> rm: cannot remove `/usr/bin/RealPlayer/common': Is a directory
[06:59] <Prozac> rm: cannot remove `/usr/bin/RealPlayer/doc': Is a directory
[06:59] <Prozac> rm: cannot remove `/usr/bin/RealPlayer/lib': Is a directory
[06:59] <Prozac> rm: cannot remove `/usr/bin/RealPlayer/mozilla': Is a directory
[06:59] <Prozac> rm: cannot remove `/usr/bin/RealPlayer/plugins': Is a directory
[06:59] <znh> AAH
[06:59] <Prozac> rm: cannot remove `/usr/bin/RealPlayer/postinst': Is a directory
[06:59] <Prozac> rm: cannot remove `/usr/bin/RealPlayer/share': Is a directory
[06:59] <Prozac> sorry
[06:59] <phixion> try rm -rf
[06:59] <dabaR> Prozac: easy with the paste
[06:59] <Prozac> oops
[06:59] <dabaR> ok
[06:59] <Prozac> my apoligies
[06:59] <frank> Prozac: sudo?
[06:59] <Prozac> im root
[06:59] <znh> Prozac: apoligies accepted, spam received..
[07:00] <dabaR> rm -r /usr/bin/Real;Player
[07:00] <dabaR> that will erase it
[07:00] <godzirra> Anyone?
[07:00] <frank> Prozac: chmod 755 /usr/bin/RealPlayer -R ?
[07:00] <znh> godzirra: what's up?
[07:00] <waltz> Where can I find the instructions on installing Ubuntu, please?
[07:00] <godzirra> Can you use a windows manager other than gnome and still have the "updates" button?  And does the updates button show only updates for things you have installed?
[07:00] <Prozac> ill try
[07:00] <godzirra> znh:  that :)
[07:00] <waltz> or the 'manual'
[07:00] <dabaR> godzirra: only for things installed
[07:00] <godzirra> awesome.
[07:01] <Prozac> rm -rf worked...thanks!
[07:01] <godzirra> What about changing windows managers?
[07:01] <nalioth> godzirra: i believe the 'updates' button is a gnome panel applet
[07:01] <waltz> Where can I find the manual on installing Ubuntu, please?
[07:01] <znh> godzirra: very good idea, gnome is the baddest wm on the world
[07:01] <godzirra> Prozac: be very careful.  rm -rf with a misplaced space or a bad path can kill your system :)
[07:01] <dabaR> godzirra: I dont know if other wms have the button, but, sudo aptitude update&&sudo aptitude upgrade will do the same thing in a terminal
[07:01] <slask3n> how can i make my usb webcam load after my souncard so ubuntu want kid around and set the usb cam as an primary sounddevice instead of the soundcard.?
[07:01] <nalioth> waltz: any howto on installing linux will help you
[07:01] <the--dud> waltz, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[07:01] <Prozac> ah
[07:01] <godzirra> znh: I don't like gnome.    I'm a big fan of simple WM's with right click menus.
[07:01] <nalioth> waltz: the ubunut install is just like any other linux install
[07:01] <dabaR> I have openbox right now.
[07:01] <znh> godzirra: then you would like qvwm, or fwvm for sure :)
[07:01] <godzirra> dabaR: gotcha.
[07:01] <Prozac> now that i've removed realplayer's directory, how do i remove the shortcut to it in the Applications menu?
[07:02] <godzirra> aptitude is the replacement for apt-get?
[07:02] <waltz> k
[07:02] <frank> does anyone know of a simple java ide for linux?
[07:02] <dabaR> ok, I was leaving.
[07:02] <godzirra> znh: I use afterstep normally (I think.. been a while since I installed it :)
[07:02] <Admin_> how to reconfigure sound output from esd to oss ?
[07:02] <znh> godzirra: afterstep is not very simpel :-P
[07:02] <godzirra> Hrm.. maybe it wasnt afterstep then.. darnit, I wish I could remember.
[07:02] <nalioth> godzirra: aptitude and synaptice are frontends to apt-get
[07:02] <skora> Prozac, did you restart gnome ?
[07:02] <znh> godzirra: wmaker?
[07:02] <nalioth> frank: eclipse?
[07:02] <frank> Admin_: Gnome Menu->System->Preferences->Sound
[07:02] <drcode> hi all
[07:02] <the--dud> godzirra, I just wrote a fluxbox howto the other day here actually http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51942
[07:02] <godzirra> It had a bar on the bottom that let you switch through the 4 desktop spaces..  other than that it had a right click menu and thats it
[07:02] <Prozac> no i did not restart gnome.  should i?
[07:02] <drcode> any one know xmess?
[07:02] <frank> nalioth: its a beast
[07:02] <godzirra> FLUXBOX!
[07:02] <skora> it should probably be gone after you do.
[07:02] <godzirra> the--dud: you  rule :)
[07:02] <godzirra> that was it.
[07:03] <the--dud> godzirra, hmm?
[07:03] <nalioth> frank: i dont write in java, sorry
[07:03] <frank> lol thats okay
[07:03] <Admin_> frank, there is no selections
[07:03] <godzirra> the--dud: fluxbox was the windows manager I was trying to think of
[07:03] <godzirra> that I installed on my old box.
[07:03] <Sionide> anyone got an 80x15 Ubuntu button on their site I can borrow??
[07:04] <Admin_> Sionide look on wiki for artwork
[07:04] <liran_> uhmm, i just added repositories to ubuntu5.04 hoary in synaptic and marked some software for installation but it failed downloading it from the repositories and asked for the cdrom
[07:04] <znh> Sionide: what wm are you using ? 80x15!
[07:04] <Sionide> ...??
[07:04] <Sionide> 80x15 is the default size for them
[07:04] <Sionide> they're little link buttons
[07:04] <liran_> first error is this (any idea anyone?): W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/z/zlib/zlib1g_1.2.2-4ubuntu1.2_i386.deb
[07:04] <Admin_> Sionide, 80x15 is not standart
[07:04] <the--dud> godzirra, any feedback on the guide would be excellent in that case ;)
[07:04] <znh> liran_: you might want to apt-get update
[07:05] <frank> liran_: I think its talking about wget so try apt-get update
[07:05] <samu> a banner?
[07:05] <Admin_> make your buttons as 80x31
[07:05] <Sionide> http://www.hamleshmotah.com/html/  <-- look here, left hand side
[07:05] <skora> nice job the--dud
[07:05] <godzirra> the--dud: Sure thing!  I'll read through it as soon as I finish running webalizer for the past 3 months ;)
[07:05] <Sionide> those kind of buttons
[07:05] <Sionide> :/
[07:05] <Jason-X> Can anybody help with ejecting my External hardrive?
[07:05] <nalioth> liran_: run your update command again
[07:05] <the--dud> skora, thanks... do post on the forum if you have the time
[07:05] <liran_> alright, ill quit synaptic and run apt-get update from console, thanks.
[07:05] <Admin_> Jason-X, just unmount it
[07:05] <nalioth> Jason-X: use a paper clip
[07:05] <isai> does make-kpkg add new entry to grub?
[07:05] <frank> liran_: you can click the update button from synaptic if you want
[07:06] <Jason-X> When I unmount the drive from the desktop, the drive sounds like it is still spinning. Under Mac os x you could hear it wind down
[07:06] <liran_> already closed it, but thanks :)
[07:06] <Jason-X> Is it safe to switch off
[07:07] <liran_> seems to be installing now, thanks
[07:08] <Admin_> guys i have tried to reconfigure to OSS from ESD sound output , but when i press test it just gives me an error
[07:08] <nalioth> Jason-X: if it's unmounted, its safe to remove/unplug
[07:09] <Jason-X> Cool cheers nalioth
[07:09] <skora> the--dud, i try when I have the time, name's keyshawn on there ;)
[07:09] <skora> although i try to devote more time on the wiki
[07:09] <the--dud> excellent mate ;)
[07:09] <waltz> what type of IRC clients come prepackaged with ubuntu?
[07:09] <youth> Does anyone know if there's a document somewhere of what the sources.list is originally supposed to be?
[07:09] <Admin_> XChat
[07:09] <waltz> (if any)
[07:09] <nalioth> waltz: xchat and irssi for two
[07:09] <youth> if that's what it is.. i forgot :D
[07:09] <waltz> cool
[07:09] <znh> Admin_: not true, it's not a base package
[07:09] <Admin_> irssi-text
[07:10] <nalioth> youth: on wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersGuide
[07:10] <Kyral> I really wish there was a better way to make symlinks
[07:10] <Admin_> so can anyone help me with sound output ?
[07:10] <Kyral> en masse
[07:10] <slask3n> doesnt _anyone_ how i can make my usb webcam load after my souncard so ubuntu wont kid around and set the usb cam as an primary sounddevice instead of the soundcard.?!?
[07:10] <slask3n> know how*
[07:10] <scuderia_ferrari> after installing kde i tried to run the session in kde....it came up with a wizard where it asked me to select the type - option were KDE, Windows, mc os and something else i select mc....now how can i select KDE ??
[07:11] <Sionide> Admin_, znh, http://byte.livenet.pl/grafika/ubuntu.png  <-- that is what i'm looking for!
[07:11] <thechitowncubs> !multimedia https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultimediaApplications
[07:11] <ubotu> thechitowncubs: I haven't a clue
[07:11] <nalioth> scuderia_ferrari: it is all kde, just differnt decoration styles OF kde
[07:11] <thechitowncubs> !multimedia
[07:11] <ubotu> [multimedia]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[07:11] <frank> scuderia_ferrari: you're a brave one, i'd just get kubuntu
[07:11] <znh> woot just bypassed my isp's spamfilter
[07:11] <thechitowncubs> !multimedia [multimedia]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultimediaApplications
[07:11] <ubotu> thechitowncubs: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[07:12] <nalioth> frank: it'd be the same for you
[07:12] <scuderia_ferrari> so if i want kde style how can i get that??
[07:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow ubuntu has some awsome screen resolutions for nvidia
[07:12] <znh> ChurcH_of_FoamY: hm?
[07:12] <nalioth> scuderia_ferrari: i believe there is a default choice
[07:12] <Prozac> hey how do i remove apps completely if i didnt install them with synaptic or apt?
[07:12] <scuderia_ferrari> under??
[07:13] <nalioth> scuderia_ferrari: and even if the one you pick is not the one you want, you can always change it at the themes settings manager
[07:13] <thechitowncubs> !multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultimediaApplications
[07:13] <ubotu> ...but multimedia is already something else...
[07:13] <nalioth> Prozac: you hunt and remove Each and Every part of them
[07:13] <scuderia_ferrari> ok
[07:13] <jk> Prozac: depends on the app, some have deinstall options
[07:14] <Prozac> i just removed the /usr/bin/RealPlayer directory....i need to uninstall the program completely.  I installed it with an RPM file from the realplayer web site.
[07:14] <Prozac> now i cant remove all traces of it
[07:14] <x_or> Is there something equivalent to the old boot.local where I can put simple scripts that need to be run upon boot?
[07:14] <nalioth> rpms are not good toys to play with
[07:14] <thechitowncubs> nalioth: is it possible to replace something in ubotu's database?
[07:14] <Prozac> i noticed
[07:14] <Sado-Mazo> In update list are only 2.6.10 kernel, where/how can i isntall 2.6.12?
[07:14] <frank> Prozac: use apt-get remove RealPlayer and when it gives you errors ignore them, since you removed part of it manually
[07:15] <nalioth> frank: if he used the rpm, it wont be in the apt database
[07:15] <Prozac> ok ill try that frank
[07:15] <Kyral> RPMS == ICK!
[07:15] <frank> Prozac: dont nalioth: oops
[07:15] <christos> headphones, laptop speakers don'twork, everything is up in alsamixer
[07:15] <Kyral> Why have I been on this compiling kick?
[07:15] <jk> rpm -e RealPlayer-blabla should work if it's recorded in the rpm db
[07:15] <christos> sorry the headphones work
[07:15] <Kyral> I compiled Anjuta from Breezy Source
[07:16] <Prozac> ok
[07:16] <Prozac> ill try that jk
[07:16] <Sado-Mazo> In update list are only 2.6.10 kernel, where/how install 2.6.12???
[07:16] <Prozac> so since i cannot uninstall it completely like apt does, must i reinstall ubuntu?
[07:16] <Prozac> darnit
[07:16] <Kyral> Sado-Mazo, its in Breezy
[07:16] <kyncani> Sado-Mazo: 2.6.12 is in breezy only
[07:16] <Kyral> Prozac, not really
[07:16] <nalioth> Prozac: is it causing you trouble?
[07:17] <Kyral> New kernels don't agree with my system anyway
[07:17] <Sado-Mazo> breezy, wtf?
[07:17] <Kyral> so like until the 2.8 series, I'll prolly apt-pin my kernel :D
[07:17] <Prozac> yeah cuz i use VLC not RealPlayer
[07:17] <eknowledg> ok, I'm officially out of ideas on how to get my X to start
[07:17] <eknowledg> anyone wanna help?
[07:17] <Kyral> eknowledg, are you using Breezy?
[07:17] <Sado-Mazo> What is Breezy???
[07:17] <Kyral> Sado-Mazo, the "Unstable" Ubuntu
[07:18] <Kyral> next release due out in October
[07:18] <eknowledg> Kyral nope...hoary
[07:18] <Kyral> current version is Hoary
[07:18] <eknowledg> Kyral it was working last night...I restarted and I got nothing
[07:18] <Prozac> how do i remove Realplayer completely?  please please help...should i reinstall it then uninstall it from there maybe within apt?
[07:18] <eknowledg> and I can't stand using bitchx
[07:18] <x_or> Anyone offer me advice on where to put a script which needs to be run at boot?  I think /etc/init.d is a bit overkill.
[07:18] <zAo^> what is it that Gnome feels more 'laggy' than KDE?
[07:18] <pktechservice> Hi guys!
[07:18] <zAo^> lo pktechservice
[07:18] <Kyral> Prozac, unless you are strapped for space, I would leave it
[07:19] <eknowledg> zAo^ Really? most people say that KDE is laggier
[07:19] <Kyral> it isn't gonna damage the system none
[07:19] <Prozac> kyral, but then its annoying
[07:19] <pktechservice> Can I make a question??
[07:19] <Kyral> pktechservice, thats what the channel is for
[07:19] <nalioth> pktechservice: ask away
[07:19] <zAo^> eknowledg, KDE feels 10x faster here. On nvidia and on ATI
[07:19] <x_or> Prozac:  it should be annoying unless you are running Windows with RealPlayer.
[07:19] <stvn> hi, does the hoary kernel support mppe?
[07:19] <frank> Prozac: know how you feel. search for info bout the RPM and manually delete every file it says it installed?
[07:19] <x_or> *should not* be annoying
[07:19] <Kyral> Prozac, yanno whats annoying? Having to remake like 10 symlinks :P
[07:19] <kyncani> Prozac: you should NOT install rpm in ubuntu. However, rpm has an option that can list the files a package is providing i think. Man rpm.
[07:19] <Prozac> right
[07:20] <Prozac> so where can i find the rpm info so i can manually delete every last file
[07:20] <eknowledg> so nobody knows how to get my X server working again?
[07:20] <kyncani> Prozac: in rpm's manpage
[07:20] <zAo^> eknowledg, dindt follow your pob
[07:21] <Kyral> eknowledg, what errors?
[07:21] <nalioth> eknowledg: have you reconfigured your X?
[07:21] <eknowledg> nope
[07:21] <eknowledg> it was working fine last night
[07:21] <eknowledg> now it won't load gnome
[07:21] <zAo^> breezy?
[07:21] <eknowledg> hoary
[07:21] <zAo^> k
[07:21] <Kyral> try a sudo dpkg-reconfigure <forgot the package>
[07:21] <nalioth> eknowledg: so what changed tween then and now?
[07:21] <eno> hello
[07:21] <zAo^> error message?
[07:21] <zAo^> xserver-xorg
[07:21] <eknowledg> nalioth I have no idea
[07:21] <nalioth> eknowledg: dont do what kyral said try this first
[07:21] <nalioth> eknowledg: is it throwing errors?
[07:22] <Prozac> well ill try reinstalling it
[07:22] <eknowledg> yeah,
[07:22] <Prozac> then uninstalling it
[07:22] <Joven> aanyone knows, how can I maximized the speed of internet using my modem?
[07:22] <nalioth> Kyral: address your instructions to specific users, please
[07:22] <eknowledg> "failed to load module "nvidia"
[07:22] <zAo^> Joven, got the right DNS? (/etc/resolv.conf)
[07:22] <eknowledg> No drivers available
[07:22] <pktechservice> thanx! I've a ATI all-in-wonder TV TUNER card, and I Use Ubuntu ofcourse, what program can I use for use this card to watching TV and how can I check if Ubuntu reconize this card as tv tuner??
[07:22] <zAo^> eknowledg, got kernel-modules installed?
[07:22] <eknowledg> zAo^ I ono
[07:22] <eknowledg> I guess since it was working last night
[07:22] <nalioth> eknowledg: have you restarted your X?
[07:23] <zAo^> eknowledg, what kernel do you use?
[07:23] <eknowledg> and the past 3 weeks before that
[07:23] <eknowledg> 2.6
[07:23] <zAo^> 2.6-what?
[07:23] <zAo^> :D
[07:23] <eknowledg> nalioth no
[07:23] <eknowledg> zAo^ how can I find out?
[07:23] <nalioth> eknowledg: uname -a for the linux version
[07:23] <zAo^> uname -a
[07:23] <Kyral> eknowledg, type uname -a
[07:23] <Joven> zao, where can I got right DNS. whats config.
[07:23] <qt2> okay, i've enabled XDMCP on one computer on my network, how do i use it on the other one to login via gdm...?
[07:23] <nalioth> eknowledg: and is your x running at all? or it is terminal only?
[07:23] <eknowledg> 2.6.10-5-386
[07:24] <Kyral> While we are on the topic of kernels, how would I Apt-Pin my kernel version?
[07:24] <eknowledg> nalioth terminal only
[07:24] <zAo^> try: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-386
[07:24] <zAo^> then reboot to be sure
[07:24] <nalioth> eknowledg: do you HAVE to have nvidia drivers?
[07:25] <MartenH> How do I change which driver my network card uses?
[07:25] <eknowledg> nalioth
[07:25] <eknowledg> yes
[07:25] <zAo^> Joven, do you use dhcp?
[07:25] <eknowledg> everything worked fine up until I booted up today
[07:25] <zAo^> eknowledg, did that apt?
[07:25] <eno> is there a way to access sourceforge through apt?
[07:25] <eknowledg> zAo^ yeap...already newest version
[07:26] <zAo^> well then: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:26] <stvn> ah never mind the question, I apparently don't need mppe
[07:26] <nalioth> eno: no but you can use 'links'
[07:26] <Joven> zao:I dont remember dhcp.what config.can I do that
[07:26] <eno> oh ok
[07:26] <Joven> zao:I dont remember dhcp.what config.can I do that?
[07:26] <eno> thanks
[07:26] <zAo^> Joven, visit your ISPs website to find out
[07:27] <nalioth> eknowledg: if all else fails, you can run the command zAo^ sent you and choose the VESA driver (it'll drive anything)
[07:27] <zAo^> eknowledg, I'll try to help you by SSH, IF you link
[07:27] <zAo^> like ^^
[07:28] <zAo^> Joven, what does "cat /etc/resolv.config" gve you?
[07:28] <eknowledg> could it be possible that the GLcore has something to do with ti?
[07:28] <zAo^> yes
[07:28] <eknowledg> because it does say "no symbols found"
[07:28] <Joven> OK thnk U zao
[07:28] <zAo^> remove that from xorg.conf
[07:29] <zAo^> eknowledg, what does `grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log` give you?
[07:29] <godzirra> wow.. the matrix screen saver is hella cool.
[07:30] <eknowledg> failed to load module "nvidia" no drivers available
[07:30] <eno> can I download and install fedora?
[07:31] <zAo^> did you run `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`?
[07:31] <eknowledg> zAo^ yeap
[07:31] <eknowledg> still nothing
[07:32] <nalioth> eno: you can d/l and install what you like
[07:32] <eknowledg> lsmod | grep nvid* says that nvidia is loaded
[07:32] <qt2> okay, i've enabled XDMCP on one computer on my network, how do i use it on the other one to login via gdm...?
[07:32] <eno> thanks! :D
[07:32] <eknowledg> ahhhh screw it
[07:32] <zAo^> qt2, vnc
[07:32] <eknowledg> I'm swapping hard drives
[07:32] <eknowledg> this blow
[07:32] <eknowledg> s
[07:32] <zAo^> what eknowledg ?
[07:32] <qt2> zAo^, hm?
[07:33] <zAo^> qt2, use vnc4
[07:33] <skora> argh !
[07:33] <zAo^> lol
[07:33] <skora> I can't get my sound to work in any of my video players...xine, vlc, etc.
[07:33] <Anon6998> hi i am thinking about converting my machine to ubuntu (used to run gentoo, but the hd crashed and am generally tired of the elitist attitude) and was told that ubuntu was pretty good.  so i was wondering a few things about ubuntu/debian.  the first thing is is there a way to browse the repository (or what ever it is called, basically the equivellant to portage) like the website gentoo-portage?
[07:33] <yahalom> hey guys how do i turn on and off my eth0?
[07:33] <skora> and I have installed w32codecs,
[07:33] <zAo^> skora, which Sound Card?
[07:34] <Syco54645_work> yahalomifconfig eth0 up
[07:34] <qt2> zAo^, how would i do that? wouldnt i need to be logged into an account to use vnc?
[07:34] <zAo^> yahalom, sudo ifup eth0
[07:34] <holycow> anon
[07:34] <godzirra> the--dud: First problems I notice is ubuntu can't find eterm or aterm or xterminal on my system when I did an apt-get...
[07:34] <yahalom> Syco54645_work, that it?
[07:34] <yahalom> zAo^, thanx
[07:34] <skora> zAo^, it's a generic intel, ill get more info....
[07:34] <coolkev> while compiling something i keep getting the folling error during ./configure checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool. What is that i need to resolve this?
[07:34] <Syco54645_work> yahalom i always used ifconfig eth0 up or down
[07:34] <digitalfox|brb> does SMB transmit passwords as puretext?
[07:34] <zAo^> skora, lspci
[07:34] <Syco54645_work> yahalom as root of course
[07:34] <nalioth> Syco54645_work: packages.ubuntu.com
[07:35] <zAo^> qt2, not as far as I know of
[07:35] <godzirra> the--dud: I'm actually starting my install completely over (I just installed this morninganyways) and doing your howto step by step.
[07:35] <nalioth> coolkev: install the xml perl parser module
[07:35] <yahalom> Syco54645_work, if a cable user without login keeps getting d/c what u think could be the reason?
[07:35] <the--dud> godzirra, privmsg :o
[07:35] <qt2> zAo^, so i jsut install vnc and it should ebcome an option?
[07:35] <skora> Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[07:35] <yahalom> Syco54645_work, its an always on eth0 connection
[07:35] <coolkev> nalioth would you happen to know what the name of the package will be for the sudo apt-get install
[07:35] <skora> xmms works fine.
[07:36] <skora> it's probably some small error i'm forgetting about ;)
[07:36] <zAo^> qt2, option where? You can use vnc4 to connect to an IP
[07:36] <Syco54645_work> nalioth thanks, this is what i was looking for, and sorry if that was a stupid question i havnt had a computer for about a week so.  the modt i did on the net was get the iso of ubuntu
[07:36] <skora> i've tried my mpegs, avis, etc.
[07:36] <yahalom> zAo^, and down sudo ifdown eht0?
[07:36] <holycow> Syco54645_work, sure
[07:36] <nalioth> coolkev: iirc, i had to compile mine from source
[07:36] <zAo^> skora, can you play MP3?
[07:36] <godzirra> the--dud: thanks.. i'd never have noticed.
[07:36] <zAo^> yahalom, yes ;)
[07:36] <godzirra> I need multiple windows on my windows box :/
[07:36] <skora> zAo^, yup
[07:36] <yahalom> zAo^, thanx
[07:36] <skora> in xmms
[07:36] <holycow> Syco54645_work, via command line you can serach using apt, you can browse using aptitude, or you can use a gui called synaptic to browse that way
[07:37] <Kyral> anyone know the url for the Breezy package list?
[07:37] <zAo^> skora, installed the w32codecs ?
[07:37] <Syco54645_work> holycowi usually dont use gui as it is faster when i type
[07:37] <zAo^> Kyral, DONT upgrade now
[07:37] <skora> zAo^, yes i did
[07:37] <Syco54645_work> holycow though i use x, i just dont make folders and stuff with x
[07:37] <godzirra> umm.
[07:37] <skora> zAo^, i can't play them in xmms.
[07:37] <Kyral> zAo^, I know that from firsthand experiance
[07:37] <godzirra> Ubuntu wants to make a 1.4 gigabyte swap on my laptop....
[07:37] <skora> xine*
[07:37] <skora> i mean.
[07:37] <godzirra> That can't be right, can it?
[07:37] <skora> sry.
[07:37] <Syco54645_work> yahalom not sure what is the exact problem?
[07:37] <Kyral> zAo^, but I am making Backports for my own use
[07:37] <skora> I know I have w32codecs installed.
[07:37] <zAo^> Kyral,  lol :) im on Breezy right now :)
[07:38] <Kyral> stuff like XChat and Anjuta
[07:38] <erik> hey, using breezy (eyeing topic warily now), xbase-clients is empty, anyone have a fixed package?
[07:38] <skora> this has worked for me last week or so, but i don't know how i broke it :D
[07:38] <godzirra> Whats a good swap size to have?  I'm using a celeron 2.4gig with 512 megs of ram.
[07:38] <erik> life without xset is annoying
[07:38] <zAo^> Kyral, k. Just take the Hoary URL and change Hoary into Breezy. Thats it
[07:38] <szamosa> hi
[07:38] <Kyral> zAo^, I meant the online package database
[07:38] <szamosa> what's the ubuntu-way to set up an ati card?
[07:38] <Syco54645_work> so what is the package repository called on debian, noone ever knows (looking for a name similar to ports for bsd or portage for gentoo)
[07:38] <godzirra> dpkg
[07:38] <nalioth> godzirra: 512 swap is sufficient
[07:39] <nalioth> Syco54645_work: i'm not sure what you're asking (our pkg manager is called apt-get)
[07:39] <godzirra> Ok, great.
[07:39] <zAo^> Kyral, http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/allpackages
[07:39] <Kyral> zAo^, ty
[07:39] <godzirra> Parsing 6 months of logs on a high traffic webserver sucks. :/
[07:40] <Kyral> I'm waiting on T-Bird 1.0.6 to enter Breezy so I can build it
[07:40] <Syco54645_work> nalioth in gentoo the command is emerge foo, but the repository is called portage... in debian it is apt-get, but the repository is called?
[07:40] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my lynksis wirelss b usb network adapter pleae
[07:40] <uber_newber> *please
[07:40] <nalioth> Syco54645_work: i thought the upgrade system was called portage in gentoo (never used it)
[07:41] <Syco54645_work> nalioth the system is called portage, but the command is emerge
[07:41] <Syco54645_work> in debian the command and the system both have the same name then?
[07:41] <kammy> moin
[07:41] <kyncani> Syco54645_work: no, apt gives you the apt-get command :)
[07:41] <nalioth> Syco54645_work: well, here we have apt-get which handles the dependencies and such, and used dpkg for actually installing the files
[07:42] <Syco54645_work> nalioth ok fair enough
[07:42] <qt2> zAo^, in gdm ~_~;
[07:42] <nalioth> Syco54645_work: we use dpkg for installing a .deb we have on the system, and apt-get for installing from repositories
[07:42] <zAo^> qt2, :)
[07:42] <frank> does anyone know of a .deb for the eclipse sdk?
[07:42] <nalioth> Syco54645_work: apt-get can compile from source, also
[07:43] <skora> zAo^, i fixed it - the audio driver was set on reading 'auto' in xine, and i changed it to ESD
[07:43] <Syco54645_work> nalioth yes that is what i have heard
[07:43] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my lynksis wirelss b usb network adapter please, iv been trying for several weeks now and cant get it to install
[07:43] <qt2> zAo^, i want to be able to jsu tlogin to a remote machine via gdm. :(
[07:43] <zAo^> skora, nice. Thanks for the answer
[07:43] <Syco54645_work> the main reason i didnt go with debian in the first place was back when i was making the system it was a pain to install debian
[07:43] <Kyral> uber_newber, use NDiswrapper
[07:43] <Syco54645_work> so i went with gentoo
[07:43] <Kyral> !ndiswrapper
[07:43] <ubotu> from memory, ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[07:43] <uber_newber> i have that but i dont know how to install it
[07:43] <Joven> where can I download aimbot for Gunbound Online game?
[07:43] <qt2> zAo^, meaning using gdm on the local machine to connect to the other machine.
[07:43] <nalioth> Syco54645_work: ubuntu has made it quite a bit different
[07:43] <Kyral> Syco54645_work, thats a really WIERD thing to do
[07:43] <qt2> Joven, this sint the place to ask.
[07:44] <zAo^> qt2, I think you cant. GDM help doesnt mention it
[07:44] <nalioth> Syco54645_work: and if you want lots of control over your system, you can install the server-only system and compile your way up
[07:44] <Syco54645_work> Kyral what is? install gentoo
[07:44] <Kyral> Syco54645_work, saying something is hard to install, then going to Gentoo
[07:44] <qt2> zAo^, then why are there XDMCP options in gdm? ~_~;
[07:45] <zAo^> qt2, to allow VNC to connect to GDM
[07:45] <x_or> Anyone have suggestions for a place to put a script which should run a boot?  I've been searching for a while now, and am having trouble finding something similar to boot.local in other distros.
[07:45] <qt2> zAo^, i see, that's a bummer.
[07:46] <Syco54645_work> Kyral eh i guess... i had done the install a year before on another box of mine... i was still uysing windows at the time
[07:46] <nalioth> x_or: does it need to run at boot or when you log in?
[07:46] <Syco54645_work> nalioth not sure of what method i will use, suggestion?
[07:46] <x_or> At boot, I know how to run something on login.
[07:46] <Kyral> Syco54645_work, *shrug* I'm the kinda guy who trashes his install on a monthy basis :P
[07:46] <x_or> Or, triggered once the system brings up the network.
[07:47] <Kyral> !ndiswrapper
[07:47] <ubotu> rumour has it, ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[07:47] <nalioth> Syco54645_work: if you install the server only system you can install select pkgs (binary) or have them all built from pkg src
[07:47] <qt2> zAo^, is there a way to allow direct access to the vnc command via gdm?
[07:48] <x_or> nalioth:  No ideas?  You've been so reliable before when I ask these kind of questions....
[07:48] <yahalom> error in temporary number generator, is that bad?
[07:48] <nalioth> x_or: i dont run anything at boot
[07:48] <lonetree> hi guys
[07:48] <lonetree> anyone has got gtkwifi working?
[07:48] <zAo^> qt2, sorry; dont understand you :$
[07:49] <Joven> where can I download aimbot for Gunbound Online game?
[07:49] <nalioth> x_or: and i dont want to advise you and break your system (or bomb hanoi or anything)
[07:49] <Syco54645_work> nalioth it got annoying on gentoo when an emerge -uD world (update, deep(dependencies)) took a few hours to complete... unless a new gnome came out then i was screwed for a few days
[07:49] <x_or> I just figure /etc/init.d is overkill, but I guess I will do that.
[07:49] <nalioth> Syco54645_work: nah, its quick here
[07:49] <qt2> zAo^, as in, instead of loading a window manager, you load a fullscreen vnc session?
[07:49] <zAo^> Joven, AIMBOT? SHAME ON YOU
[07:49] <nalioth> Syco54645_work: you'll spend more time thinking about what you want
[07:49] <x_or> Oh, I know what I am doing and won't break the system.  I just was surprised there wasn't something similar to boot.local.
[07:49] <nalioth> Syco54645_work: gnome is default with ubuntu, but kde, *box, enlightenment, xfce4, etc are all available
[07:49] <zAo^> qt2, I think you must change the default runlevel and add a startup script in you new runlevel
[07:50] <Syco54645_work> nalioth is there a list of packages that are default that i can see before i install the system
[07:50] <waltz> What is 'visudo'?
[07:50] <Syco54645_work> nalioth since gnome 2.8 came out, it has been pretty kicking so i dont think i will use anything else
[07:50] <nalioth> Syco54645_work: packages.ubuntu.com   i'd imagine
[07:50] <zAo^> waltz, vi is an editor. visudo is secure vi with root acces
[07:50] <Kyral> Syco54645_work, Uhh, check the depends on ubuntu-desktop
[07:50] <x_or> waltz:  if you muck with your sudoers file you can really screw up your system.
[07:50] <Syco54645_work> wish eterm would have tabs though
[07:50] <waltz> ah
[07:50] <x_or> visudo doesn't save it to /etc/sudoers if the syntax is incorrect.
[07:51] <waltz> So it's essentially a 'safe' editor.
[07:51] <nalioth> zAo^: visudo is a sudoers editor only
[07:51] <waltz> ya...
[07:51] <x_or> Always use visudo, never "sudo su" and then edit /etc/sudoers by hand.
[07:51] <x_or> You can really screw up your system.  I know, I did.
[07:51] <zAo^> nalioth, sorry, my mistake. thanks. though about tvi
[07:51] <Syco54645_work> is rc-update a gentoo only thing, because the gentoo people say that it is, but i doubt that it really is
[07:52] <nalioth> Syco54645_work: never heard of it
[07:52] <x_or> But, it is confusing since ubuntu doesn't install vi by default, so it should really be called EDITORsudo, and uses pico most of the time.
[07:53] <zAo^> Syco54645_work, there is somethink like it in Ubuntu/Debian
[07:53] <zAo^> forgot the command
[07:53] <Syco54645_work> nalioth it edits the startup, basically is you want to run smartd it would be rc-update add smartd default
[07:53] <Syco54645_work> or something along those lines
[07:53] <waltz> does ubuntu have cvs and svn capabilities?
[07:53] <waltz> or rather I should say 'applications'
[07:53] <nalioth> waltz: cvs is available
[07:53] <Syco54645_work> zAo^ ah ok, because i searched for rc-update ubuntu and a page came up with man info, but i cant find the package
[07:53] <zAo^> Syco54645_work, update-rc.d
[07:54] <Syco54645_work> zAo^ ah ok thanks alot
[07:54] <x_or> waltz:  I think you have to add a special repository, but you can get svn, yes.
[07:55] <waltz> alright
[07:57] <Syco54645_work> what is the program that is like k3b, but for gnome?  i cant remember its name and was wondering if anyone has had any experience with it
[07:57] <waltz> also, does ubunutu use the X-Window environment?
[07:57] <waltz> X-Windows even
[07:57] <nalioth> waltz: yes it does (xorg)
[07:58] <nalioth> Syco54645_work: gnomebaker or graveman, i'd stick with k3b
[07:58] <othernoob> and waltz, it is X-Window, not X-Windows ;)
[07:58] <zAo^> Syco54645_work, Gnomebaker? Graveman?
[07:58] <x_or> waltz:  No, my sources.list is nothing special.  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/780.  You might need to update something, but no offsite repositories.
[07:58] <Syco54645_work> nalioth so if i use k3b that means that i still need kde... :(
[07:58] <zAo^> kdelibs yes
[07:58] <nalioth> Syco54645_work: it will only install the libs needed
[07:58] <waltz> heh
[07:58] <mjr> waltz, just about all desktop *nixes use it
[07:58] <frans> hi all!
[07:59] <benplaut> hello
[07:59] <Syco54645_work> i am helping yahalom in a pm and was wondering what is the dhcp client command in ubuntu
[07:59] <frans> can someone tell me if there is a nice gtk frontend for normalize and friends that a complete novice can use?
[07:59] <Syco54645_work> i am used to dhcpcd or dhclient
[07:59] <waltz> Well I'm actually jumping from the win32 world with very little knowledge of anything beyond.
[08:00] <othernoob> waltz: welcome to the real world then ;)
[08:00] <frans> well, 'and friends' is optional actually, just normalize would do :)
[08:00] <znh> how to remove a symlink?
[08:00] <waltz> heh thanks :)
[08:00] <mjr> znh, just rm
[08:00] <nalioth> znh: use "rm"
[08:00] <frans> I don't really want to fire up python myself ;)
[08:00] <znh> nalioth,mjr: won't that delete the content?
[08:00] <mjr> znh, no
[08:00] <znh> mjr: It's a directory
[08:00] <mjr> still, the answer is the same
[08:01] <znh> ohk..
[08:02] <mebaran151> can a 64 bit distro and 32 bit distro share the same home?
[08:02] <Andares> What's the name of the bittorent client that comes with Ubuntu/Hoary>?
[08:02] <mebaran151> I am thinking of replacing my windows install with some more Linux
[08:02] <lok> mebaran151, yes
[08:02] <mebaran151> Andares, I think gnome-bittorrent
[08:02] <frans> mebaran151, yeah, shouldn't be a problem
[08:02] <benplaut> Andares: gnome-bittorent
[08:02] <mebaran151> lok, you ever tried it?
[08:02] <mebaran151> I should think they parse the same
[08:03] <lok> mebaran151, yes and the 64 or 32 bits has nothings to do with your files
[08:03] <russss> hi
[08:03] <russss> anyone know what kernel version the ubuntu installer uses?
[08:03] <mebaran151> lok, but do 64 bit and 32 bit apps have different profiles
[08:03] <lok> mebaran151, no
[08:03] <mebaran151> like I am worried the xml of gconf might get affected weirdly
[08:03] <Andares> bash: gnome-bittorent: command not found
[08:03] <estudiante> hola
[08:03] <mebaran151> or other such specific settings as that
[08:03] <lok> there isn't a config file with : number of nbits = 64
[08:03] <lok> :)
[08:04] <reaper> i need help i just got ubuntu and finally got it up but am having resolutions prob
[08:04] <estudiante> hola como estas
[08:04] <mebaran151> but what about distros with different setups
[08:04] <lok> Andares, gnome-btdownload
[08:04] <mebaran151> like say I was going to use ubuntu and fedcore 4
[08:04] <Andares> k, thanks.
[08:04] <lok> mebaran151, you can use the same home
[08:04] <estudiante> en espaish ok
[08:04] <mebaran151> how does it keep track which configs are for fedcore four and which are ubuntu
[08:05] <reaper> my pc allows for1280x1024 res but ubuntu only allows for 1024x768
[08:05] <othernoob> estudiante: #ubuntu-es ?
[08:05] <solli> Hi! I get the error msg: " Invalid cross-device link" when I'm trying to rename some mp3-files with id3ren... I have no idea what's wrong... Any idea?
[08:05] <reaper> does anyone now how to fix it
[08:05] <estudiante> holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[08:05] <lok> mebaran151, there isn't a fedora or a ubuntu one there juste have a gnome config a OOo config etc...
[08:05] <estudiante> holaaaaaaaaaa
[08:05] <estudiante> holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[08:05] <Syco54645_work> what version of gnome will i get when i install ubuntu/update it for the first time?
[08:05] <mebaran151> ah, so they would both look the same
[08:05] <lok> yes
[08:05] <mebaran151> what happens during install though
[08:05] <mebaran151> when it tries to bootstrap Gnome
[08:06] <waltz> Is the GCC frontend and backend packaged with the Ubuntu installation?
[08:06] <Dr_Fate> estudiante, que pasa?
[08:06] <mebaran151> and it finds gnome in home has already been bootstrapped, but differented
[08:06] <mebaran151> does it overwrite all those configs or just leave it as is
[08:06] <estudiante> nada solo quiero charlar un rato
[08:06] <lok> mebaran151, an easy way is to make a user in FC which have a different name that the ubuntu's one
[08:06] <mebaran151> lok, ah I see
[08:06] <lok> mebaran151, for gnome for exemple
[08:06] <mebaran151> I could have the same home parition but not the same user name
[08:07] <reaper> can anyone help me
[08:07] <mebaran151> what if I used the same username, or needed to share users between two distros
[08:07] <estudiante> oyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[08:07] <Syco54645_work> reaper with what didnt see the question
[08:07] <mebaran151> I run a local ftp server with users I created
[08:07] <reaper> my pc allows for1280x1024 res but ubuntu only allows for 1024x768
[08:07] <mebaran151> can I share users between distrows
[08:07] <estudiante> oyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[08:07] <lok> when you first try to launch it it read some of your configs files and if he found one to him
[08:07] <lok> it just read a apply it
[08:07] <mebaran151> I think I might just turn this place into free space
[08:10] <jota> holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[08:11] <jota> holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[08:11] <jota> holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[08:12] <othernoob> mmh, what depends on umbrello?
[08:12] <jota> holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[08:12] <jota> holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[08:12] <SpecialBuddy> are there any programs like dreamweaver but for linux
[08:13] <jota> holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[08:13] <Elerosse> SpecialBuddy> Nvu
[08:13] <nalioth> !ops
[08:13] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia!
[08:13] <SpecialBuddy> Nvu
[08:13] <jota> hola jimmy
[08:14] <Elerosse> SpecialBuddy> you want a WYSIWYG ?
[08:14] <SpecialBuddy> not sure what that is
[08:14] <carstenh> hi, ubuntus equivalent to package.d.o is?
[08:15] <SpecialBuddy> I get it now
[08:15] <othernoob> what you see is what you get =wysiwyg
[08:15] <Elerosse> WYSIWYG means What You See Is What You Get
[08:15] <mebaran151> does anyone know if Finale will run in cross over office?
[08:15] <jota> holakatla
[08:15] <SpecialBuddy> I looked it up
[08:15] <jota> hola katla
[08:15] <mebaran151> or if CrossOver office will work in Ubuntu64
[08:15] <mebaran151> ?
[08:15] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my lynksis wirelss b usb network adapter please, iv been trying for several weeks now and cant get it to install
[08:15] <frans> hmm, how do I add a mimetype, so that when I select multiple files it will give all the selected files as parameters to the application?
[08:16] <qt2> ...this is more of a pain in the ass than it should be.
[08:16] <frans> so I can add a bunch of selected mp3 files and all open them with one instance of normalize-audio
[08:16] <SpecialBuddy> what about flash
[08:17] <SpecialBuddy> are there any programs for that
[08:17] <Elerosse> SpecialBuddy> nop, but you can try flash mx with wine (i not sure that will work)
[08:17] <SpecialBuddy> oh
[08:17] <nalioth> SpecialBuddy: to do what with flash?
[08:18] <SpecialBuddy> I just wanted to mess around with flash and I thought maybe there was something besides flashmx
[08:18] <pete_> how can i get the windows sharing working? it can detect my other linux box's samba share, but not either the windows 98 or print server... Any thing that needs changing from the default?
[08:19] <mebaran151> frans, normalize audio controls levels right?
[08:20] <mebaran151> does it work with ogg?
[08:20] <mebaran151> I am looking for a way to decrese the discrepancy between the volumens of my rock albums and my regular albums
[08:20] <mebaran151> that have Tchaivosky
[08:20] <nnexxus> -j cybertests
[08:21] <carstenh> oh, ubuntu has it now at the right place. fine :)
[08:21] <frans> mebaran151, yeah, it works automagically for mp3, ogg, flac and wav
[08:21] <qt2> that's all i think x needs, a way to allow easy, passworded remote login firectly from gdm.
[08:22] <ombr> hi
[08:22] <nJess> i have a computer running hoary, i just installed warty on another computer, can i update warty to hoary from the computer that has hoary?
[08:22] <mebaran151> frans, cli or gui?
[08:22] <mebaran151> I dont have a preference really
[08:23] <frans> mebaran151, cli, so I want it to integrate with nautilus so that the owner of this pc can use it
[08:23] <christos> i followd the instructions in http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#troubleshooting and i have sound from my headphones but not from speakers
[08:23] <frans> mebaran151, it's very easy, just go into a folder and type 'normalize-audio *'
[08:23] <qt2> nJess, why didny you just install hoary?
[08:23] <carstenh> nJess: it is more complicated as just installing everything using your normal mirror
[08:23] <santium> can anyone tell me the default root password?
[08:23] <nJess> i don't have a hoary cd
[08:23] <santium> the install didnt let me set it
[08:23] <santium> so i cant get into root
[08:23] <frans> santium, ubuntu doesn't have one
[08:24] <santium> i cant get into root then?
[08:24] <nJess> i don't care if it is complicated, it takes too long to download the updates
[08:24] <carstenh> nJess: do you have a fsat internet-connection?
[08:24] <qt2> samiam, there is no root in ubuntu, use the sudo command.
[08:24] <frans> santium, you get to root through applications > system > root terminal and yuo type the password of the first user you made
[08:24] <mebaran151> frans yeah perfect
[08:24] <santium> ok
[08:24] <qt2> !sudo
[08:24] <ubotu> sudo is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:24] <nJess> carstenh, im capped
[08:24] <mebaran151> but, does it edit the sound file
[08:24] <mebaran151> or does it just add a tag
[08:24] <nJess> 100megs every 4 hours
[08:24] <santium> i know sudo
[08:24] <mebaran151> I dont like the files touched at all
[08:24] <nJess> downloding is out
[08:24] <frans> mebaran151, it edits the soundfiles
[08:24] <santium> this is my firtime using ubuntu
[08:24] <qt2> santium, go to the link ubotu mentioned.
[08:24] <santium> first
[08:24] <nJess> i need to use one machine to update the other
[08:24] <chakri> hi
[08:24] <mebaran151> frans, oh, not the solution then
[08:24] <frans> mebaran151, only way really
[08:24] <samu> argh, i forgot the command for displaying drive space again. remind me someone, please.
[08:24] <carstenh> nJess: ls -1 /var/cache/apt/archives/ | wc -l
[08:24] <frans> samiam, df -h
[08:24] <mebaran151> vorbisgain adds a tag
[08:24] <carstenh> nJess: please paste the output here
[08:25] <frans> samu, df -h
[08:25] <mebaran151> I have been using it
[08:25] <samu> frans, danke
[08:25] <frans> mebaran151, mp3 doesn't have such a tag iirc
[08:25] <frans> samu, np
[08:25] <carstenh> nJess: on the hoary machine of course
[08:25] <nJess> it says "2"
[08:25] <nJess> as outbut
[08:25] <nJess> output*
[08:25] <chakri> what is the package name to use for java in apt-get
[08:25] <carstenh> nJess: ok, then forget it
[08:25] <christos> except for alsamixer is there any other prog i can use to toggle sound levels?
[08:26] <reaper__> i need help with ubuntu
[08:26] <carstenh> nJess: you could repack everything, but this is a very bad solution
[08:26] <mebaran151> frans, it is put as a comment
[08:26] <MartenH> What is the difference between (ifconfig eth1 down) and (ifdown eth1)
[08:26] <leluiahkiani> hello, does anyone want to help a linux illiterate get mp3 support for rythumbox?
[08:26] <mebaran151> so it is probably possible
[08:26] <reaper__> my pc allows for 1280x1024 res but ubuntu is only allowing 1024x768
[08:26] <frans> mebaran151, well, you'd need an app that uses it then
[08:26] <znh> do there exist players that can play .wmv files?
[08:26] <frans> mebaran151, normalize works everywhere :)
[08:27] <nJess> reaper__, reconfigure X
[08:27] <mjr> there is mp3gain that adds gain tags to mp3 files as well
[08:27] <reaper__> how
[08:27] <carstenh> nJess: why not downloading 90mb every 4 hours?
[08:27] <mebaran151> frans, eh but I dont like that idea
[08:28] <nJess> carstenh, takes ages to do
[08:28] <mebaran151> of permanently altering my hq rips
[08:28] <carstenh> nJess: or ask a friend to burn you the cd?
[08:28] <MartenH> What is the difference between 'ifconfig eth1 down' and 'ifdown eth1'
[08:28] <reaper__> nJess how do i do that
[08:28] <nJess> reaper__, don't remember
[08:29] <carstenh> nJess: or you could copy your installation to the other pc
[08:29] <benplaut> how can i split a file in half, then put it back together again on a minimalist linux system (zaurus)?
[08:29] <nJess> very different machines carstenh
[08:29] <carstenh> nJess: then ask a friend to burn the cds :)
[08:30] <carstenh> benplaut: man split, man cut? don't know if it works with binary files, but imho worth a try
[08:30] <chakri> how to know what package names to be used with apt-get to install perticular s/w likejava
[08:31] <benplaut> carsstenh: it's a .BIN
[08:31] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my lynksis wirelss b usb network adapter please, iv been trying for several weeks now and cant get it to install
[08:31] <chakri> i always get problem with package names to use whenever i want to install some package in ubuntu
[08:31] <benplaut> i'm using a camera as a memory card reader, and it can't handle big files
[08:31] <chakri> can any one help to solve this problem
[08:32] <carstenh> benplaut: i guess it works even with binary files, you have to try it
[08:32] <benplaut> what's the command...?
[08:32] <chakri> what is debian/ubuntu way of intallign packages
[08:32] <carstenh> benplaut: i already told you the commands
[08:32] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my lynksis wirelss b usb network adapter please, iv been trying for several weeks now and cant get it to install
[08:32] <chakri> can any one help me plz
[08:32] <carstenh> benplaut: man split; man cut
[08:33] <benplaut> oh
[08:33] <carstenh> benplaut: man split; man cat
[08:33] <MartenH> What is the difference between 'ifconfig eth1 down' and 'ifdown eth1'? No one knows?
[08:33] <benplaut> i thought you meant slang :P
[08:33] <carstenh> benplaut: the first one was a typo
[08:33] <chakri> can any one help me plz
[08:33] <benplaut> and... how do i put it back together?
[08:33] <chaps0063> hi, I think I screwed something up, I was following this guide ( http://kerneltrap.org/node/5414 ) to get kismet working, and now no drivers load for my wifi card  (intel pro wireless).
[08:34] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my lynksis wirelss b usb network adapter please, iv been trying for several weeks now and cant get it to install
[08:34] <carstenh> benplaut: man cat :) cat file1 file2 > file
[08:34] <benplaut> thanks :)
[08:37] <santium> one more question. what VNC server is installed?
[08:37] <uber_newber> how do i find out what version of ubuntu imrunning
[08:38] <jpfarias> hi
[08:38] <jpfarias> can someone help me setting up lirc?
[08:38] <nalioth> uber_newber: in a terminal, uname -a
[08:39] <samu> does windows trashcan pwn the gnome trashcan or can it easily show how much space the files in the trash take up?
[08:39] <zAo^> that doesnt show you Hoary ^^
[08:39] <jpfarias> I want to control my TV from my notebook =P
[08:40] <velocity760> hey
[08:40] <velocity760> does anybody know how to use team speak in linux
[08:40] <uber_newber> nalioth: ty
[08:40] <jpfarias> what packages do I need to install to have lirc working?
[08:41] <Admin_> does anyone have point 2 play ?
[08:41] <chaps0063> anyone have any ideas with my problem?
[08:43] <uber_newber> can sum1 please help me install ndiswrapper
[08:43] <bur[n] er> anyone know how to drop ubuntu down to term from a GDM?
[08:44] <uber_newber> i have the website with the instructions open but i dont understand sum of it
[08:44] <chaps0063> bur[n] er: Ctrl+Alt+F(1-6)
[08:44] <village_idiot> ctrl-alt-f1
[08:45] <village_idiot> so whats the deal with breezy... will it be stable soon?
[08:45] <bur[n] er> none of those work for some reason
[08:45] <village_idiot> new release evey 6 months right?
[08:45] <bur[n] er> village_idiot: september
[08:45] <village_idiot> ah
[08:45] <chaps0063> my wireless is not functioning, I was following this: http://kerneltrap.org/node/5414, and now my wireless does not work.
[08:46] <znh> how to define a proxy for wget?
[08:46] <othernoob> village_idiot: Ubuntu is the Microsoft of the *NIXes ;)
[08:46] <znh> does anyone know the variable for the proxy?
[08:47] <zAo^> how can I assign an action to my middle mouse button in Nautilus/Epiphany/Firefox ?
[08:47] <Admin_> does anyone have point 2 play ?
[08:47] <Kyral> I have to redownload it, but yes
[08:47] <Kyral> I pay for Cedega
[08:47] <Admin_> can you give me link for p2p ?
[08:48] <Kyral> Do you pay for Cedega?
[08:48] <hume> hi...how do I best connect to data that I have on another linux box on the lan? i'd need to mount, not just ssh, but how to mount over the lan?
[08:48] <Admin_> Kyral, nope
[08:48] <Admin_> but i have it
[08:48] <mebaran151> Kyral, will Cedega run on AMD64
[08:48] <Kyral> www.transgaming.com
[08:48] <zAo^> hume, why not just use FTP?
[08:48] <Kyral> mebaran151, I dunno there, I just download the x86 deb
[08:49] <Admin_> Kyral, but can you use your account and give me link or just give me p2p ?
[08:49] <zAo^> plz no warez guys
[08:49] <Kyral> you need an account to download Cedega through it anyway
[08:49] <Majlo> hume, Try samba http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver
[08:49] <hume> zAo^, can I mount via ftp, or you mean to fetch the files? i'd like to not coupy them, to work with them where they are
[08:49] <ubuntu> er irc.geeknode.org
[08:50] <Admin_> Kyral, i have cedega installed
[08:50] <Kyral> meh meh meh
[08:50] <zAo^> hume, use samba like Majlo said
[08:50] <Kyral> like zAo^ said, no warez
[08:50] <Kyral> I hate to be a prick on this one, but...
[08:51] <othernoob> Kyral: heh, you could give it to him, it'd be useless without an account anyway ;)
[08:51] <delire> pretty healthy turnout i see.
[08:51] <hume> Majlo, samba better than NFS or what its called?
[08:51] <Kyral> also I don't have the deb on my system right now anyway :P
[08:52] <zAo^> hume, I find SAMBA a horror, NFS is better IMO
[08:52] <hume> zAo^, i thought samba was just for win-linux.... but never used nfs.. got any advice on where to learn about nfs the ubuntu-way?
[08:53] <nalioth> zAo^: nfs is indeed preferable, but windows users are inflicted with samba
[08:53] <delire> experience of samba often depends on the client. KDE makes smb shares a breeze i notice.
[08:53] <nalioth> hume: any howto on NFS will do
[08:53] <zAo^> hume, http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO.html#SERVER ?
[08:54] <mebaran151> delire, KDE kioslaves, imho, far exceed the ones in gnome
[08:54] <mebaran151> too bad Qt has such a crappy license
[08:54] <delire> exactly
[08:54] <hume> thx
[08:54] <delire> mebaran151: i liked seeing that i could 'scp://url' in KDE's konqueror recently.
[08:55] <mebaran151> delire, you can
[08:55] <mebaran151> nice
[08:55] <mebaran151> I might be switching to KDE soon, though for my primary desktop I use xfce
[08:55] <mebaran151> which doesnt have any of this fanciness
[08:55] <znh> mebaran151: KDE is really slow..
[08:55] <delire> mebaran151: i use http://wmi.modprobe.de, which certainly doesn't.
[08:56] <delire> znh: not true. this really is a myth
[08:56] <zAo^> I agree to delire
[08:56] <znh> delire: kde is slower then xfce for sure :)
[08:56] <mebaran151> znh, it is just as bloated
[08:56] <delire> znh: of course it is.
[08:56] <jota> what are you talking about
[08:56] <mebaran151> which may or may not mean anythng to you
[08:56] <zAo^> On my box Gnome is the slowest :$
[08:56] <mebaran151> I mean nothing is nearly as fast as xfce
[08:56] <znh> zAo^: agree gnome is even slower :P
[08:57] <delire> mebaran151: it's good yes.
[08:57] <znh> mebaran151: qvwm is maybe the fastest wm ever
[08:57] <mebaran151> what is this wmi
[08:57] <zAo^> just X ;)
[08:57] <mebaran151> it looks ... ugly
[08:57] <delire> znh: ion3 or wmi.modprobe.de are also very good. the later i use continuously
[08:57] <norhted> is there anybody who knows how to add a lilo to ubuntu?
[08:57] <nofear> hey umm how do i mount ntf files again?
[08:57] <mebaran151> I think E17 is VERY nice
[08:57] <mebaran151> but too bad it is only in breasy
[08:57] <zAo^> norhted, why use lilo?
[08:58] <nofear> file system.
[08:58] <delire> mebaran151: it's a tab-based window management paradigm. it's highly productive for me.
[08:58] <norhted> zAo^: i have also a win installed on this machine
[08:58] <zAo^> mebaran151, its not in breezy
[08:58] <mebaran151> delire, eh I have never been a big tab person
[08:58] <mebaran151> oh it isnt?
[08:58] <zAo^> norhted, use grub then :)
[08:58] <znh> delire: yea ion3 is awesome
[08:58] <mebaran151> do they have 16.9999
[08:58] <mebaran151> E16.99
[08:59] <norhted> zAo^: hmmm can you tell me a tutorial about it how to use?
[08:59] <_nigro> hello...
[08:59] <velocity760> does anybody use Team speak on their Linux
[08:59] <zAo^> norhted, do you use grub right now?
[08:59] <norhted> zAo^: no :(
[09:00] <zAo^> norhted, do you use Ubuntu?
[09:00] <norhted> zAo^: yes i am currently using ubuntu
[09:00] <mebaran151> zAo^, xfce4 is even MORE gnome friendly
[09:00] <kemik> xfce4 is more light-weight than icewm ?
[09:01] <norhted> zAo^: when i first installed ubuntu on my second harddisk, i didnot have a windows
[09:01] <Kejk_PL> kemik: no, but xfce4  have more features
[09:01] <zAo^> norhted, then you have Grub installed :) try: `sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst` and read the instructions
[09:01] <mebaran151> kemik, it's pretty close
[09:01] <norhted> zAo^: however then, i plugged my other harddisk whih contains a windows installation
[09:01] <delire> i think openbox is a 1.2 mb download last time i tried. all the title bar, buttons and borders are rendered on the fly, no pixmaps. very nice.
[09:01] <kemik> kk.. cus im gonna install ubuntu and some lightweight WM on my parents computer
[09:02] <norhted> zAo^: hmmm thnx :) i am checking
[09:02] <kemik> all they need is mozilla, openoffice and pdf-viewer
[09:02] <delire> s/think openbox/remember openbox being
[09:02] <kemik> (its a p2-233 64mb ram power-box)
[09:03] <redtech> what can I copy off the cd to my laptop to make it stop asking for a cd when I install certain software?
[09:04] <zAo^> redtech,  sudo gedit /etc/apt/source.list >> delete the first line ;)
[09:05] <kemik> or put a # in front of first line
[09:05] <redtech> oh damnit..
[09:05] <redtech> LOL  thanks
[09:05] <kemik> and do apt-get update
[09:05] <kemik> once you removed/commented the line
[09:06] <vic1ous> how do you add shortcuts under the applications tab on the top left???
[09:06] <kemik> ive been to lazy to try yet, but does ubuntu auto-mount USB-devices?
[09:06] <redtech> thanks kemik and zAo^ !!
[09:06] <kemik> (Cameras, mp3players etc)
[09:07] <mcphail> yes
[09:07] <kemik> nice
[09:07] <vic1ous> anyone know?
[09:08] <pestilence> hello...just got a new computer from dell, it has windows on it.  considering leaving it on there for now, since they didn't give me any media to restore it (what a rip!).
[09:08] <pestilence> there seems to be 3 partitions
[09:08] <hns>  how do i install a sidebar in epiphany
[09:08] <pestilence> 1) fat 2) fat32 and 3) ntfs
[09:08] <pestilence> anybody know what the deal is with this?
[09:08] <kemik> pestilence:  fat??? what for?
[09:08] <pestilence> i suppose the fat32 is for restoration, it's about 3 gigs in size
[09:08] <delire> pestilence: brutal
[09:08] <kemik> they're not empty ?
[09:08] <phixion> format the lot stick ubuntu on
[09:08] <phixion> :-)
[09:08] <pestilence> fat is 42 megs, windows identifies it as EISA configuration
[09:09] <kemik> stay away from Dell ;)
[09:09] <pestilence> phixion: i might.  i haven't used windows in about 3 years, so no big deal there.
[09:09] <phixion> Dell are ok
[09:09] <phixion> my dads got a dell laptop, its nice
[09:09] <phixion> they are very cheap now too
[09:09] <pestilence> kemik: thanks, i just got this laptop today, appreciate the kind words ;)
[09:09] <kemik> ;)
[09:09] <delire> kemik: i had 4 good years with dell inspiron8100. it went round the world with me twice. was a good machine.
[09:09] <Kyral> If you are gonna get a laptop with the intent of putting Linux on it, I heard that HPs are good
[09:10] <kemik> was is uddenly moved to #DellLovers? ;)
[09:10] <phixion> wouldn't touch HP
[09:10] <delire> Kyral: or buy it from HP with Ubuntu already on it.
[09:10] <pestilence> HP sells laptops with ubuntu pre-installed???
[09:10] <delire> sure
[09:10] <pestilence> dell wouldn't give me the option of no-OS
[09:10] <phixion> the only 'branded' pc i'd buy is Dell
[09:10] <phixion> but I don't buy branded pcs :) i build my own
[09:10] <pestilence> so i feel like since i *had* to pay for windows, i might as well leave it on there while i don't need the space
[09:10] <kemik> laptops i'd go for brands
[09:10] <phixion> yea
[09:11] <vic1ous> how do you add shortcuts under the applications tab on the top left???
[09:11] <phixion> dunno tho, I don't like HP
[09:11] <kemik> but desktop id rather doit myself than getting ripped of
[09:11] <pestilence> i'm just coming off 3 years with a gateway laptop, their service has been very bad to me
[09:11] <kemik> vic1ous:  not sure, but someone talked of some application for adding stuff to that bar..
[09:11] <delire> acer make 70% of the worlds laptops apparently. most are rebadged. asus make the ibooks and pbs and sager supply the rest (alienware is a rebadged sager laptop).
[09:11] <phixion> dont touch the cheapo brands :)
[09:11] <pestilence> would never buy from gateway again
[09:11] <phixion> i mean, dell do stuff VERY cheap now
[09:11] <phixion> if it sux after a few years buy a new one
[09:11] <kemik> phixion:  del isnt cheapo?? :|
[09:12] <phixion> HP etc are after ripping u off
[09:12] <phixion> dell are cheap, but like i say the stuff inside is decent and if it breaks after a while so what
[09:12] <mezzair> Hiya all, I could do with some assistance if someone could help me :)
[09:12] <hondje> weee, that was a fun project
[09:12] <phixion> buy a new one, they are so cheap...
[09:12] <kemik> mezzair:  go ahead and ask
[09:12] <Kyral> delire, they sell those now?!
[09:12] <delire> after researching for three months on forums and mailinglists and talking to laptop owners, the cheapest and highest quality machines i could find were http://agearnotebooks.com
[09:13] <delire> Kyral: sell what?
[09:13] <phixion> they look nice too delire
[09:13] <delire> the Asus M6Ne is a great machine
[09:13] <hondje> thank you phixion, took me a good hour to do too :-/
[09:13] <mezzair> I have just installed Ubuntu (wooo!) I have got something called grub as the boot loader. How do I make it so It select windoze as default?
[09:13] <kemik> mezzair:  why would you want to do that!?!! ;)
[09:13] <pestilence> mezzair: the most direct method is to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:14] <delire> phixion: carbon fibre chassis. very happy with mine.
[09:14] <mezzair> Okay, I am a complete novice to this, I can't seem to edit the default value.
[09:14] <pestilence> mezzair: you must use either sudo or gksudo before you edit the file.
[09:14] <pestilence> i.e. sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:14] <mezzair> Windows is listed 5 in the list underneath Other Operating Systems:
[09:16] <godzirra> Hrm.. when I type my password in gdm I get little boxes that look like they have the letters "25 (newline) CF" in them
[09:16] <godzirra> any idea how to change that to the default *'s
[09:16] <pestilence> mezzair: the numbering starts from zero
[09:16] <mezzair> Yip
[09:16] <mezzair> So It would be 4
[09:16] <pestilence> mezzair: so change "default" to 4
[09:16] <mezzair> I've changed it I think.. I shall give it ago :)
[09:19] <kemik> anyone got a good app for burning .img imagefiles to DVD/CD ??
[09:19] <godzirra> When I get a menuconfig or anything like that it has a screwed up screen (like I have the wrong screen map...)  how do I fix that?
[09:20] <Chastaghir> hello all, I have a very special question about an acer aspire 1692. I'm just trying to install ubuntu and startet installation with 'noapic' parameter. But installation interrupts while trying to start pc-card service. I found no solution in the wiki. Any Ideas?
[09:20] <godzirra> Isit really supposed to be apic?  not apci?
[09:20] <delire> kemik: k3b is very good. i use 'growisofs' from the command line
[09:20] <kemik> delire:  thx
[09:20] <Chastaghir> yes, its apic
[09:21] <godzirra> ok.. just makin sure :)
[09:21] <nofear> hey, some one in here posted me a site a while back that actually alloud me to run a script that made my ntfs partisions automount on boot up, does anyone know that site by chance?
[09:21] <delire> kemik: http://www.k3b.org/
[09:21] <pestilence> nofear: you don't need a script to do that.  just put it in /etc/fstab
[09:22] <nofear> ok...
[09:22] <nofear> but... question tho
[09:22] <nofear> I have a sata drive
[09:22] <delire> nofear: /dev/yourdisk /mountpoint  ntfs ro,user,noauto  0  0
[09:23] <nofear> is the /dev/hdb stuff diffrent?
[09:23] <funkyHat> /dev/sda1
[09:23] <pestilence> nofear: don't know anything about sata drives, but have no reason to believe it's any different.
[09:23] <funkyHat> or /dev/sdawhatever
[09:23] <nofear> ok..
[09:23] <zerboxx> When installing something through synaptic, how can I easily find out the command to run it?
[09:23] <pestilence> zerboxx: if you list the files contained in the package, you can see what's in /usr/bin /usr/sbin, etc
[09:24] <funkyHat> zerboxx, you can look at the files installed by the package, it should be plain enough from there
[09:24] <cddesjar> i just installed ubuntu and forgot to add a root password
[09:24] <mcphail> zerboxx: type the first few letters and hit 'tab' a few times
[09:24] <cddesjar> now i am trying to install thunderbird and i cant' because i don't know my root password
[09:24] <cddesjar> how do i recover my root password or change it?
[09:24] <pestilence> cddesjar: there isn't one.  use sudo
[09:24] <cddesjar> but i typed sudo and it asked for my root password
[09:25] <pestilence> cddesjar: no, it's asking for your password
[09:25] <funkyHat> no, it asks for your own password
[09:25] <cddesjar> oh
[09:25] <funkyHat> :)
[09:25] <cddesjar> thanks
[09:25] <cddesjar> !
[09:25] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, cddesjar
[09:25] <godzirra> How do you set y our screenmap?
[09:25] <delire> zerboxx: a 'whereis application' will often tell you where the application resides.
[09:25] <black13> has anyone successfully used the debootstrap for hoary?
[09:26] <zerboxx> pestilence, funkyHat, mcphail, delire: Thanks :)
[09:26] <delire> np
[09:26] <zerboxx> I'm trying to get I8Kutils working, but it doesn't seem to want to *frown*
[09:26] <elph0> hi...someone here know how driver i can use for my x2250 Lexmark multifunctional?
[09:26] <madclicker> ahoy
[09:26] <elph0> *know what
[09:26] <delire> zerboxx: hmm, is there a manpage for this? i forget.
[09:27] <znh> How to give a password+username while mounting a samba partition
[09:27] <zerboxx> delire: manpage?
[09:27] <delire> zerboxx: this is for acpi, suspend etc right?
[09:27] <mcphail> black13: no, but I'd be interested to hear how well it works...
[09:27] <madclicker> will ubuntu work with 955 intel chipset desktop on AHCI SATA interface?
[09:27] <delire> zerboxx: manual page. try 'man i8kutils'
[09:27] <zerboxx> delire: I'm just wanting to see my cpu temp, I know something sounding similar worked for M$
[09:28] <madclicker> or better yet, I need an installer with 2.6.11 kernel
[09:28] <elph0> ?
[09:28] <delire> zerboxx: if you have a dell inspiron, then i8kutils is the one to go with.
[09:29] <black13> mcphail ill let you know i have used deboostrap on debian sarge to make a debian chroots on gentoo and mandrake machines fine but havent had success with hoary
[09:29] <zerboxx> delire: Ok, so I have the right program, but still can't seem to figure it out just yet
[09:29] <delire> zerboxx: but you need to have a kernel module loaded. do this for me 'sudo modprobe -l | grep i8k
[09:29] <redtech> znh: mount -t smbfs -o username=YOURUSER,password=YOURPASSWORD
[09:29] <delire> zerboxx: actually 'sudo modprobe -l | grep i8k'
[09:29] <godzirra> How do you set your screenmap?
[09:29] <znh> < redtech> znh: mount -t smbfs -o username=YOURUSER,password=YOURPASSWORD
[09:30] <zerboxx> delire: Ok, now what?
[09:30] <MartenH> Is the ability to scan a neccecity when connecting to WPA networks?
[09:30] <delire> zerboxx: anything returned?
[09:30] <delire> zerboxx: any output?
[09:30] <black13> mcphail do you know anything about pam?
[09:30] <zerboxx> delire: sudo modprobe -l | grep i8k
[09:30] <zerboxx> delire: Wrong line :D.../lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/char/i8k.ko
[09:30] <delire> zerboxx: excellent. now 'sudo lsmod | grep i8k' to see if it's loaded.
[09:31] <znh> redtech: does not work
[09:31] <zerboxx> delire: put me back to prompt
[09:31] <znh> redtech: it results with mount --help
[09:31] <nofear> is there  a fast way to find out which drive is what?
[09:31] <pestilence> MartenH: not sure, but why would it be?
[09:31] <delire> zerboxx: ok, let's load that special module these programs need. 'modprobe i8k'
[09:31] <h08817> help if possible please
[09:31] <nofear> i have 4 drives 1 sata, and rest are ides
[09:31] <nofear> lol
[09:31] <din> nofear, sudo fdisk -l
[09:31] <delire> nofear: fdisl -l
[09:31] <nofear> ok thanks
[09:31] <pestilence> MartenH: it's not necessary to connect to WEP and non-encrypted networks.
[09:31] <zerboxx> delire: sudo?
[09:31] <delire> *k
[09:31] <delire> zerboxx: yes, sorry
[09:31] <h08817> hello
[09:32] <zerboxx> delire: no such device
[09:32] <h08817> i have a question about ndiswrapper
[09:32] <h08817> anyone know much about it?
[09:32] <znh> redtech: I did: mount -t smbfs //192.168.2.106/Frankrijk2005 -o username=xxxx
[09:32] <pestilence> h08817: just ask
[09:32] <delire> zerboxx: so 'sudo modprobe i8k' gives "no such device?"
[09:32] <h08817> i need to make sure my netgear WG111 is installed
[09:32] <h08817> how do i install my netgear WG111 usb?
[09:33] <zerboxx> delire: yup'FATAL: Error inserting i8k (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/char/i8k.ko): No such device'
[09:33] <agent_decay> hello, i am new on linux, need help making an aumtomated script wich restarts the network if a ping to online server fails
[09:33] <hondje> whenever I mount /dev/hdb1 with the little clicky thing in computer:/// I have to HUP gam-server before I can umount it...why is taht?
[09:33] <h08817> i have ndiswrapper installed but i don't know what the name of the driver is
[09:33] <fuzzyme> Hi! I'm a newbie. Can u tell me where the kernel source code resides in ubuntu?
[09:33] <pestilence> h08817: you could check the ndiswrapper's known hardware list
[09:33] <delire> zerboxx: hmm
[09:33] <h08817> how?
[09:33] <delire> zerboxx: which dell laptop model is it?
[09:33] <zerboxx> delire: Could this have anything to do with "i8k" isn't anything to run it? (when I'm at prompt, and hit i8k, I get command not found)
[09:33] <h08817> pestilence, how can i do that?
[09:33] <zerboxx> delire: Inspiron 5100
[09:34] <pestilence> h08817: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page
[09:34] <din> zerboxx, what kind of wifi card is in it?
[09:34] <delire> zerboxx: the i8kutils require a kernel module to access system information (like cpu temp etc).
[09:34] <delire> zerboxx: this module (driver) is called i8k.ko
[09:34] <MartenH> pestilence: I'm trying to figure out the reason why I can't get my card to connect using wpa_supplicant
[09:34] <zerboxx> delire: Oh ok
[09:34] <h08817> pestilence, thanks
[09:34] <pestilence> h08817: but, the driver is the windows driver for your card.
[09:34] <din> zerboxx, lspci should tell you what kind of card you have
[09:34] <norhted> zAo^ : can you resend me the code to open grup config file
[09:35] <godzirra> How do you set your screenmap?
[09:35] <madclicker> I need an installer with 2.6.11 kernel
[09:35] <zerboxx> din: Are you sure your talking to me?
[09:35] <h08817> pestilence, well how do i find out which is the linux driver for it?
[09:35] <pestilence> MartenH: don't know.
[09:35] <fuzzyme> Hi! I'm a :-):-):-):-):-). Can anyone please tell me where the kernel source code resides in ubuntu?
[09:35] <pestilence> h08817: you use ndiswrapper to use the *windows* driver in linux.
[09:35] <delire> zerboxx: have you had a look at the Ubuntu laptop wiki? there may be clues there. i don't know why a device not found err is returned. i would have to be present at your machine to diagnose further.
[09:35] <bartek> 
[09:35] <h08817> yes i know
[09:35] <pestilence> h08817: using the linux driver doesn't require ndiswrapper
[09:35] <zerboxx> delire: No I haven't, but I'll check it out
[09:35] <agent_decay> hello, how do you  periodacly executed script wich restarts the network if a ping to online server fails
[09:35] <h08817> then how can i install it?
[09:36] <zAo^> norhted, sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:36] <h08817> it won't take the windows driver off of my cd
[09:36] <pestilence> h08817: so download it off the internet
[09:36] <h08817> pestilence, i need that driver on my linux machine because it doesn't have internet
[09:36] <din> zerboxx, yes, i was talking to you
[09:36] <din> sorry, on the phone
[09:36] <nofear> hey a nother stupid question
[09:36] <zerboxx> din: It's alright, I don't have wifi in my 5100, sorry
[09:36] <nofear> is there away to change the resalution in the linux console?
[09:36] <norhted> zAo^ : thanx again :)
[09:37] <h08817> and that is my only linux machine
[09:37] <pestilence> h08817: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List#N
[09:37] <pestilence> there are instructions there
[09:37] <zAo^> np :)
[09:37] <godzirra> How do you set your screenmap?
[09:37] <MartenH> How can I check which version of a driver ubuntu is using? want to see if it's the latest one realeased...
[09:37] <din> zerboxx, sorry, i thought you were trying to get a wifi card going
[09:37] <zerboxx> din: No, I'm trying to get i8k working, so I can see cpu temp
[09:38] <zerboxx> delire: I don't see anything re: i8k, and in the laptop list, mine isn't there :D
[09:38] <nofear> is there away to change the resalution in the linux console to a higher res?
[09:38] <benplaut> nofear: make the font smaller?
[09:39] <pestilence> MartenH: you could check /var/log/syslog after you modprobe the module
[09:39] <nofear> nah i meen change the res from 640x680  to like 1280x1024
[09:39] <nofear> i've seen it done
[09:39] <benplaut> oohhh
[09:39] <benplaut> yeah
[09:39] <h08817> pestilence, so i can go to netgear.com and download the driver on windows to disk
[09:40] <h08817> pestilence, then i can just install it on linux?
[09:40] <benplaut> add "vga 791" to the boot options for your default boot in menu.lst
[09:40] <bartek>    please  help how instal ati card  i read this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto but when i chang on 1240x1024 85hz monitor is blur
[09:40] <black13> could someone explain to me how pam and login work together
[09:40] <MartenH> pestilence: ok, thnx
[09:40] <benplaut> thre's a tutorial, just a sec i'll find it
[09:40] <agent_decay> how do you make scripts for crontab?
[09:40] <delire> zerboxx: hmm. ok, see any other dell inspirons? otherwise i would look at anything 'debian' in this section regarding the 5100 http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/dell.html
[09:40] <din> zerboxx, hmmm, i've been meaning to set that up on my inspiron as well, i'll give it a try right quick
[09:40] <pestilence> h08817: sort of.  read the ndiswrapper documentation.  there are also some good howto's out there for ubuntu.  try looking in the forum.
[09:40] <zerboxx> din: I get a problem here 'sudo modprobe i8k', let me know if you find a work around
[09:41] <h08817> ok i'll just post in the forum to see what i can get b/c i am a complete noob to linux
[09:41] <delire> zerboxx: a bit annoying! i remember it working flawlessly on my dell inspiron 8100. sadly that laptop is since deceased.
[09:41] <pestilence> h08817: try searching before you post
[09:41] <din> zerboxx, does it say that the module is not found?
[09:41] <zerboxx> delire: It looks like most just work out of the box, but I'll double check
[09:41] <zerboxx> din: No such device
[09:41] <h08817> ok
[09:41] <pestilence> h08817: there are a *ton* of posts already about it, i guarantee it
[09:41] <h08817> ok
[09:41] <h08817> i'll look
[09:41] <din> k
[09:41] <pestilence> including ones for/by total newbs like you ;)
[09:41] <zerboxx> delire: They're made to work on the 8x00s, but they happen to also work on the 5x00s, that might be the problem
[09:42] <djp> can anyone tell me what i have to alter in /etc/postfix/main.cf in order to enable smtp using postfix?
[09:42] <mcphail> agent_decay: crontab -e
[09:42] <norhted> is there a way to find the name of the harddisk partitions in ubundu? (like hda3)
[09:42] <lamont> djp: on hoary, I assume?
[09:42] <pestilence> norhted: sudo fdisk -l
[09:42] <delire> zerboxx: possibly yes. really modprobing that module successfully requires the kernel has an interface with the ACPI services on that machine. it may be you need to load an acpi related module first.
[09:42] <djp> lamont: sorry, yes
[09:43] <lamont> inet_interfaces = all
[09:43] <norhted> pestilence: thnx
[09:43] <zerboxx> delire: Oh, ok, any idea how?
[09:43] <benplaut> nofear: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50054
[09:43] <RetroMan> hey everyone, does anyone know of any torrents of the ubuntu repository?
[09:43] <RetroMan> Im trying to build a local mirror
[09:44] <bartek> how instal ati driver
[09:44] <nofear> ok thanks checking it out
[09:44] <delire> zerboxx: see what acpi related modules you may have loaded already with 'sudo lsmod | grep acpi'. to see what modules you have available, but not necessarily loaded 'sudo modprobe -l | grep acpi'
[09:44] <bartek> please help
[09:44] <RetroMan> but coming off the archive.ubuntu.com is pretty slow
[09:44] <godzirra> How do you set your screenmap?
[09:45] <delire> zerboxx: lsmod == "list loaded modules". modprobe -l == list all known modules
[09:45] <funkyHat> RetroMan, it's not likely that there is one, as the repository will be updated whenever there is a security fix....
[09:46] <Andares> Hmm...
[09:46] <RetroMan> funkyHat - yes, but it would be useful for people who want to "start off" somewhere
[09:46] <zerboxx> delire: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/781
[09:46] <Andares> How do I connect to stuff through a proxy in Ubuntu?
[09:46] <RetroMan> building a local mirror, that is
[09:46] <funkyHat> trye...
[09:46] <funkyHat> *true
[09:46] <RetroMan> I may try to host one after my long journey
[09:47] <RetroMan> Im on the O's
 I have a Beige G3 tower that I'm not using at the moment, but it's out of commision due to a hard dtive faulure.
 put a new drive in it and install Ubuntu PPC :P
[09:48] <delire> zerboxx: i wonder why "sony_acpi               6280  0" is loaded on a dell inspiron. odd.
[09:48] <zerboxx> delire: maybe my laptop is having an identity crisis?
[09:49] <nofear> thanks a bunch
[09:49] <nofear> gona reboto
[09:49] <nofear> brb
[09:49] <delire> zerboxx: no, i doubt that's your problem. it shouldn't be there though. 'modprobe -r sony_acpi' and make sure it isn't listed in /etc/modules
 gotta leave about 500meg for OSX, because YDL won't run without it.
[09:49] <bluefoxicy> Will Ubuntu run on a G3 without OSX installed?
[09:49] <pestilence> how much space does ubuntu need for / ?
[09:49] <godzirra> how do you set your console mode?  Mines set weird I think.  Everytime I run make menuconfig, I get a lot of weird characters instead of the nice clean lines I'm used to...
[09:49] <pestilence> with the default install
[09:49] <delire> bluefoxicy: of course
[09:51] <zerboxx> delire: Nope, not in /etc/modules, why would it have started if it's not there, or did modprobe -r remove it from there too?
[09:51] <Kano> hi
[09:51] <Kano> i would like to know how the ubuntu live cds are build. any links for that?
[09:51] <delire> zerboxx: no, modprobe -r wouldn't have done that. i don't know why it doesn't load. it may be you have found a flaw. try 'sudo modprobe i8k' now just for fun.
[09:52] <zerboxx> delire: Same error
[09:52] <LasseL> uh, is there a "standard" place you create shared shell scripts?
[09:53] <delire> zerboxx: well i don't know what to suggest. i would definitely post it to the forums and wait for a reply. it will be worth it. explain your problem clearly and give the output you gave me (the error, lsmod and modprobe) to prove you have the module, but that it won't load.
[09:53] <black13> who knows something about pam ? i want pose some questions.
[09:53] <zerboxx> delire: So post the problem, the outputs (which are what you saw in pastebin)?
[09:54] <delire> zerboxx: yes, but especially the error.
[09:54] <delire> zerboxx: and the model of laptop.
[09:54] <zerboxx> delire: Ok, of course, should that go into "application support" or "hardware"?
[09:54] <delire> zerboxx: hardware
[09:55] <savoy> first try whith ubuntu!
[09:55] <delire> zerboxx: laptop support is something ubuntu developers take seriously.
[09:55] <zerboxx> delire: :) wonderful, they'll help me then :D Thanks a lot for your help!
[09:56] <thechitowncubs> how can i reset my about:config in firefox?
[09:56] <Admin_> Edit > Preferences
[09:56] <jasoncohen> i guess the ubuntu security team gave up on trying to backport fixes for firefox and mozilla. they just backported mozilla 1.7.10 to hoary & warty and of course firefox 1.0.6 went into hoary yesterday
[09:56] <delire> zerboxx: anytime
[09:57] <soulfreshner> hey, guys! need some help...I just installed ubuntu on my laptop and I want to know how to set the screen resolution in textmode
[09:57] <jasoncohen> oh and "We
[09:57] <jasoncohen> apologize for the huge delay of this update; we changed our update
[09:57] <jasoncohen> strategy for Mozilla products to make sure that such long delays will
[09:57] <jasoncohen> not happen again."
[09:57] <nofear> dange
[09:57] <jasoncohen> sorry for that paste- didn't think it would be multi-line
[09:57] <nofear> the stuff u told me put in the fstab wont work
[09:57] <nofear> unless i go in to root
[09:57] <nofear> then it works
[09:57] <nofear> to access it
[09:57] <nofear> gives me this error
[09:57] <nofear> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd1,
[09:57] <nofear>        missing codepage or other error
[09:57] <nofear>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[09:57] <nofear>        dmesg | tail  or so
[09:57] <RetroMan> nofear - welcome to linux
[09:58] <nofear> i added these lines
[09:58] <nofear> /dev/sda1       /media/Sata     ntfs ro,user,noauto 0 0
[09:58] <nofear> /dev/hdd1       /media/ide60     ntfs ro,user,noatuo 0
[09:58] <RetroMan> (that was a comment to: "unless i go in to root, then it works"
[09:58] <nofear> is that right?
[09:58] <Praisem247> does anybody know anything about splicing?
[09:58] <Praisem247> wires, I mean
[09:58] <znh> Anyone seen bugs in france yet?: http://isl33t.net/pics/IMG_1129.JPG
[09:58] <pestilence> nofear: it isn't mounted under /media/Sata??
[09:58] <Praisem247> any1
[09:58] <Prozac> what is the best disc ripper app?
[09:58] <pestilence> nofear: it looks like /dev/hdd1 is a mistake
[09:59] <nofear> yah i fixed it
[09:59] <nofear> but im still haveing problems with the sda1
[09:59] <Praisem247> send me a chat if you know how to splice
[09:59] <norhted> i have a windowsxp on my /dev/hdb1, what shoul i write for the root line in menu.lst?
[09:59] <nofear> i cant access it under a normal user
[09:59] <nofear> sec ill reboot it see if the hdd1 error was the whole error
[09:59] <nofear> ok nvm
[10:00] <nofear> sata gives me not enough permissions
[10:00] <nofear> to vew it
[10:00] <mcphail> norhted: root (1,0) ???
[10:00] <nofear> You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "Sata".
[10:00] <Praisem247> again splicing any1?
[10:00] <Prozac> best cd ripper?
[10:00] <norhted> mcphail: root (1,0) ?
[10:00] <phixion> anyone know where I can find a beep/xmms skin to match clearlooks default theme
[10:00] <nofear> how do i make it where any user can access it?
[10:01] <phixion> chmod 777 dir -R
[10:01] <mcphail> norhted: yes - root (2nd spindle, 1st partition) should be (1,0) AFAIK
[10:02] <pestilence> phixion: i really don't think that is the solution
[10:02] <Praisem247> I am trying to splice xbox live headset
[10:02] <norhted> mcphail: hmmm i got it, thank you very much, i am trying now :)
[10:02] <Praisem247> can any1 help?
[10:02] <phixion> ain't been reading much tbh :P
[10:02] <pestilence> nofear: i believe you must mount it with a gid= option
[10:02] <pestilence> phixion: that's dangerous.
[10:03] <phixion> pestilence, dont really care.
[10:03] <Prozac> what is the best cd audio ripper?
[10:03] <MartenH> Can someone walk me through the process of downloading, building and updating the orinoco_cs drivers?
[10:03] <pestilence> phixion: how nice of you.  hope you're never a newb looking for help from someone like you.
[10:04] <djp> !dma
[10:05] <phixion> pestilence, i thought he was trying to make a folder accessible by all, in which case my solution would fix it, please, get off my back.
[10:05] <tritium> MartenH, what's wrong with the ones ubuntu comes with?
[10:05] <agent_decay> anyone have a good link for making bash script with ping and if commands?
[10:06] <Seveas> agent_decay, www.tldp/org
[10:06] <Seveas> agent_decay, www.tldp.org
[10:07] <Seveas> look for the advanced bash scripting guide
[10:07] <delire> Seveas: but that guide is quite advanced don't you think?
[10:07] <andril> hello all
[10:07] <MartenH> tritium: I'm not sure but I believe they are not the latest ones, and I'm desperately cluthing at straws trying to get wpa working
[10:07] <Seveas> delire, it's good for beginners too
[10:07] <nofear> ok whats this gid option think?
[10:07] <delire> Seveas: sounds like he wants something a little simple, ping $url and ifupdown.
[10:07] <Seveas> I learned bash scripting from it :)
[10:07] <delire> Seveas: ok.
[10:07] <delire> Seveas: ;)
[10:07] <mcphail> agent_decay: #bash is usually quite helpful
[10:08] <din> zerboxx, have you tried modprobe i8k force=1 ?
[10:08] <delire> nofear: Group ID
[10:08] <zerboxx> din: Nope, will do now
[10:08] <nofear> ok      how do i add it in the lines in the /etc/fstab?
[10:08] <delire> din: should return the same error. no device.
[10:08] <zerboxx> din: Ok! now what?
[10:08] <nofear> sorry *linux noob* still :P
[10:08] <zerboxx> delire: nope
[10:09] <nofear> ive got lot to learn
[10:09] <delire> zerboxx: worked? hehe lucky ;)
[10:09] <din> zerboxx, loaded eh?
[10:09] <din> heh
[10:09] <zerboxx> delire: I know! So now what do I do?
[10:09] <delire> din: well done ;)
[10:09] <din> do you have i8kutils ?
[10:09] <zerboxx> din: Yup
[10:09] <din> delire, thx
[10:09] <windex> i have a question? i run a small consulting company, and i'm evaluating desktop linux distributions that are easy to update for use at small businesses in place of microsoft products. do the people who provide shipit for ubuntu also provide CD's i can buy to distribute to end users? if we go with ubuntu i'd like to be able to give install media, but don't feel quite right about getting it for free since its part of a paid-for service. :)
[10:10] <Seveas> windex, you can request them for free and make a donation
[10:10] <din> zerboxx, i really don't know lol i was just helping you to get the module loaded
[10:10] <Seveas> contact mako about requesting large amounts of cd's
[10:10] <zerboxx> din: Ok try i8kmon
[10:10] <din> i'ma get it loaded on my box now
[10:11] <windex> Seveas: mako@ubuntu.org ?
[10:11] <AndyRR> hi anyone able to call me using gnomemeeting?
[10:11] <norhted> mcphail: it didnt work. the error; root(1,0) unrecognized device string.....
[10:11] <Seveas> windex, .com
[10:11] <din> zerboxx, i can't seem to find where the module is in the kernel config
[10:11] <norhted> mcphail: i also tried root(hd1,0)
[10:11] <Seveas> norhted, root (hd1,0)
[10:12] <Seveas> don't forget the space
[10:12] <norhted> mcphail: it didnt work either :(
[10:12] <Burned> Is Ubuntu good for new linux users? and does it give pain in the ass with configuring x after like debian usually does?
[10:12] <delire> din: hmm may have to use force in a module paramater in order to ensure that when /etc/modules is read, it doesn't fail on boot.
[10:12] <norhted> Seveas: i also tried that :(
[10:12] <windex> Seveas; ok, thanks. i've used debian for a long time, but it's not really a good choice for desktops, which is why i like the idea of using ubuntu... and i have to support it, so i'd rather it was easy. :)
[10:12] <mcphail> norhted: from the grub menu, press 'c' to enter command mode...
[10:12] <zerboxx> din: Wha? (no idea what you just said :D) All I've done is installed i8kutils, and did what you suggested
[10:12] <delire> windex: hehe, a wise choice.
[10:12] <Seveas> windex, Ubuntu is easy :)
[10:13] <norhted> mcphail: ok, then?
[10:13] <mcphail> norhted: then type "root (" and press TAB to get a list of possibilities
[10:13] <din> i8k: unable to get SMM Dell signature :/
[10:13] <din> i8k: unable to get SMM BIOS version
[10:13] <windex> is upgrading ubuntu between releases the same as doing debian? e.g. aptitude update, aptitude dist-upgrade kind of simplicity?
[10:13] <norhted> mcphail: hmmmm i see; trying....
[10:14] <polie> hi all
[10:14] <polie> any one havea hsf modem?
[10:14] <kyncani> windex: yes :)
[10:15] <windex> kyncani: great. i'll install it at home tonight and play with it. :)
[10:15] <kyncani> windex: welcome to ubuntu then ;)
[10:15] <_SD_Keo> Question: How would I get my microphone to work in cedega (Playing counter-strike)
[10:16] <polie> cause i got my driver at but it only runs at 1400 any help??
[10:16] <xliu> how to make an ISO cd image?
[10:17] <delire> xliu: mkisofs from the command line is what i use.
[10:17] <delire> xliu: but there are several GUI utilities, mostly part of burners AFAIK.
[10:17] <xliu> thanks a lot, delire
[10:17] <colmore> anyone have any idea why sound would be working some time (gnome, mp3 players) but not others (most games etc.) ?
[10:18] <ninnghizidha> i guess they use anoher driver ...
[10:18] <colmore> a python game raises a "no available audio device" error, anything I can do about that?
[10:18] <ninnghizidha> gnome uses esd, most mp3-players oos or alsa.
[10:18] <polie> any one know where i can get a full version of a hsf modem driver??
[10:18] <din> zerboxx, i think i have mine compiled in my kernel somewhere instead of a module
[10:18] <colmore> i seem to have both oos and alsa installed (locate turns up a lot of files)
[10:19] <zerboxx> din: ah
[10:19] <colmore> has anyone else had the same problem?
[10:19] <psychonate> Sound servers also seem to cause me problems, so I just don't use them heh
[10:19] <colmore> well, i'd like to hear the things i'm killing in doom ;-)
[10:19] <_SD_Keo> Question: How would I get my microphone to work in cedega (Playing counter-strike)
[10:20] <din> sweet, found it
[10:20] <HellDevil> hi
[10:20] <psychonate> well, I usually only use one sound app at a time, so that's generally not a problem for me
[10:20] <polie> is vwdial the best dialer for ubuntu??
[10:20] <mcphail> colmore: fuser /dev/dsp?
[10:20] <colmore> say again mcphail?
[10:20] <colmore> 7778
[10:20] <windex> colmore: actually, alsa is sometimes a layer on top of OSS. do you know which driver you are using for your soundcard in the kernel?
[10:20] <colmore> is what that returns
[10:20] <CarlFK> Eveloution - first time I have ever run it.  It asks for Name (i get that) and email address - what is the addr used for?
[10:20] <colmore> no, i just installed ubuntu and have been installing things with synaptic
[10:21] <colmore> it's whatever is default in 2.6 on my machine (a toshiba laptop)
[10:21] <mcphail> colmore: sudo kill 7778
[10:21] <colmore> ok, done
[10:21] <din> hopefully i'll have mine working in a bit zerboxx :)
[10:21] <godzirra> When I try and make menuconfig on my kernel, I get -tons- of errors about fixdep.c and header files.. what else do I need to install besides kernel sources?
[10:21] <psychonate> CarlFK, the address for your existing email account that you will be accessing through evolution.
[10:21] <din> what did you find out about i8kmon?
[10:21] <mcphail> try the game now
[10:21] <colmore> oh cool
[10:21] <CarlFK> colmore - what modle
[10:21] <colmore> that worked
[10:21] <colmore> so what's up with that?
[10:21] <zerboxx> din: I'm just trying to see the temp rather than having to run a program :)
[10:21] <colmore> R10 tablet <3
[10:22] <mcphail> colmore: an ugly hack for a persistent problem, I'm afraid
[10:22] <din> zerboxx, try cat /proc/i8k
[10:22] <colmore> i've got the digitizer working with gimp
[10:22] <CarlFK> psychonate - so username @ pop server name?
[10:22] <din> brb
[10:22] <colmore> so i'm just going to have to do that every time i start?
[10:22] <windex> colmore: you are brave. linux has sadly not yet invaded my fujitsu ST5000 tablet.
[10:22] <_SD_Keo> How would I get my microphone to work in cedega (Playing counter-strike)
[10:22] <colmore> or every time i start an application
[10:22] <colmore> it really isn't that hard
[10:22] <CarlFK> colmore - what model toshiba?
[10:22] <colmore> R10
[10:22] <mcphail> colmore: only if another program is hogging /dev/dsp
[10:23] <zerboxx> din: haven't done that yet, what does it do?
[10:23] <polie> is vwdial the best dialer for ubuntu??
[10:23] <Kejk_PL> where are in Ubunt firmaware files? atmel-firmaware installs it in /usrc/lib/hotplug, bur rest of ther are in /lib/hotplug/
[10:24] <zerboxx> din: I'd like something in the taskbar if possible, looking for something now though :)
[10:24] <norhted> mcphail: i think i couldnt do it all; when i tried to use root(hd1,0) i got the following error :    root(hd1,0) Filesystem type unknown, partition typ 0x7 make active chainloader +1
[10:24] <colmore> 1) install the linux wacom driver, 2) change your xorg.conf as in the [HOWTO]  3) add a setserial line to init.d
[10:24] <colmore> to get a tablet working under linux
[10:24] <fuzzyme> zerobox: If u use gnome may be gnome-ppp is easier
[10:24] <psychonate> CarlFK, http://www.novell.com/documentation/nld/evolution/data/usage-mainwindow-starting.html#usage-mainwindow-starting
[10:24] <psychonate> CarlFK, that should help.
[10:24] <colmore> google around for a bit, it only took me about an hour to figure it all out, and i'm a pretty big newb
[10:24] <polie> any newbies?
[10:25] <din> zerboxx, heh i got it loaded now
[10:25] <din> :p
[10:25] <CarlFK> psychonate - thanks
[10:25] <fuzzyme> polie: I'm one for sure
[10:25] <othernoob> polie you? ;)
[10:25] <zerboxx> din: having fun with fan speeds?
[10:25] <mcphail> norhted: root (hd1,0) [newline]  chainloader +1 [newline]  boot [newline]  ?
[10:25] <polie> sort of .. :)
[10:25] <delire> din: it's been along time since i've used i8kutils, but from memory it's supposed to provide input to the gnome-panel
[10:25] <norhted> mcphail: ok trying :)
[10:25] <din> zerboxx, i'm workin on it
[10:25] <delire> sorry, zerboxx it's been along time since i've used i8kutils, but from memory it's supposed to provide input to the gnome-panel
[10:26] <polie> any one chatting in ubuntu ??
[10:26] <mcphail> poor norhted...
[10:26] <psychonate> CarlFK, I would try to help you more personally, but I don't use Evolution. Anyway, the link looks pretty good.
[10:26] <delire> zerboxx: apt-cache show i8kutils confirms this actually
[10:26] <catolh> Does anyone know of a good howto guide on how you should install the new ATI driver? And configure it properly? I tried out the "Binarydriverhowto" but that fglrx driver wont let me play games with cedega.. :\
[10:26] <din> wow, you can really kick that fan speed up
[10:26] <din> lol!
[10:26] <tritium> That's the right guide to follow, catolh
[10:26] <norhted> mcphail: !!!!!!
[10:26] <fuzzyme> Does anyone know how to install smartlink modem in ubuntu?
[10:26] <delire> catolh: i compile it from source, using the 'ATI way' expressed on the ATI driver page.
[10:27] <psychonate> ATI just sounds too troublesome in *nix, so I've always stuck with Nvidia heh
[10:27] <mcphail> norhted: yes?
[10:27] <catolh> delire, ok
[10:27] <norhted> mcpail: what does the makeactive mean?
[10:27] <fuzzyme> It says it wants modversions.c which isn't found anywhere...
[10:27] <colmore> mcphail, 7778 seemed to be gnome's soundserver, is there some way I can get it to play nice with other apps?
[10:27] <delire> psychonate: wise, for the time being. NVIDIA have a huge investment in linux, given they supply Linux drivers to holywood, disney etc.
[10:27] <polie> fuzzyme : i do
[10:27] <citrus_> when i type /list in the server  theres so many how can i limit that to revelent channels?
[10:28] <fuzzyme> polie: Then do tell me...
[10:28] <Seveas> citrus_, if you use xchat you can use the window -> channel list menu
[10:28] <zerboxx> delire: ...interesting, how do I get this working?
[10:28] <psychonate> delire, Nvidia + ID Software = best commercial gaming in *nix :)
[10:28] <Seveas> citrus_, you can limit the channel numbers in there
[10:28] <delire> zerboxx: it's been a couple of years, i can't remember sadly.
[10:28] <polie> what kind of modem u have?
[10:28] <delire> psychonate: yes
[10:28] <psychonate> although I really don't game that much
[10:28] <HellDevil> citrus_ sort by number of users
[10:28] <psychonate> I used to play ET night and day, but not so much now
[10:28] <mcphail> colmore: there's something buried in the wiki, but it didn't help me
[10:28] <citrus_> thanks
[10:28] <fuzzyme> polie: I have a conexant modem..
[10:28] <colmore> i hear you psychonate, do you happen to know if there's a quake 1 level editor for linux?  i'd like to contribute some free levels
[10:28] <delire> zerboxx: see if you can add a panel item related to i8kmon or i8kutils
[10:29] <psychonate> colmore, no idea. I would check www.happypenguin.org and its forums. You could make a post possibly too.
[10:29] <colmore> well i'd rather hear my emulators and games and such than my WMs beeps and chimes, but it would be cool to have both, I'll work on it later
[10:29] <zerboxx> delire: I see nothing, maybe if I restart?
[10:30] <delire> colmore: i have used gtkradiant extensively for editing quakeI/II/III levels on Linux
[10:30] <delire> colmore: qeradiant.com
[10:30] <mcphail> colmore: i don't really understand the whole sound thing
[10:30] <colmore> oh thanks, delire
[10:30] <_SD_Keo> How would I get my microphone to work in cedega (Playing counter-strike)?
[10:30] <delire> colmore: i also use blender for the same purpose.
[10:30] <delire> _SD_Keo: i would see #cedega, if it exists
[10:30] <to|m> hi, how do I backup all my ubuntu setings?
[10:30] <colmore> thanks, delire, mcphail
[10:30] <psychonate> mcphail, what do you mean?
[10:31] <din> lol! i8kfan 2
[10:31] <colmore> psychonate, i'm also trying to work out a sound problem while talking about quake stuff
[10:31] <kyncani> to|m: you mean your /home/you/ directory ?
[10:31] <colmore> he's been helping me with that
[10:31] <mcphail> psychonate: clashing sound demons, not playing nicely together
[10:31] <psychonate> heh
[10:31] <colmore> it's a very id-software like problem, actually
[10:31] <colmore> clashing demons
[10:31] <mcphail> lol
[10:31] <psychonate> LIke I said, I never mess with sound daemons
[10:32] <to|m> kyncani: no, I mean all application settings
[10:32] <din> zerboxx, i8kctl will show you the temp
[10:32] <din> i8kctl temp**
[10:32] <to|m> kyncani: so, that i could reinstall Ubuntu somewhere and just import my application settings
[10:32] <kyncani> to|m: all your personnal application settings are in your $HOME (/home/you/). They're hidden files
[10:33] <zerboxx> din: But to put that in the panel?
[10:33] <djp> do i need postfix in order to send email using rmail (emacs)?
[10:33] <colmore> last question,  i'm trying to get the open gl driver for my Intel 855GM graphics card installed
[10:33] <mcphail> colmore: you can set the ESD daemon to "respawn". I think this restores sound if you kill it as above, but I'm not sure
[10:33] <din> zerboxx, dunno there, i use xfce4, not gnome
[10:33] <psychonate> There was a nice guide I saw somewhere for setting ESD up
[10:33] <zerboxx> din: ah, gotcha
[10:33] <colmore> and the installer binary tells me it can't be installed without the latest kernel modules
[10:34] <colmore> anyone have success with Intel graphics drivers?
[10:34] <to|m> kyncani: ok, and if i backup home/user and reinstall ubuntu on another PC I must know which apps I had before... I wanna do this auto
[10:34] <mcphail> norhted: any progress?
[10:35] <kyncani> to|m: use either debfoster or deborphan for that
[10:35] <norhted> mcpail: :(
[10:35] <norhted> mcpail: still i ve got the same error : Filesystem type unknown
[10:35] <psychonate> Did you sound people ever see this:
[10:35] <psychonate> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[10:35] <ben> Crapounet?
[10:35] <psychonate> dunno if that'll help, but I guess it's worth looking at
[10:35] <norhted> mcpail: it sounds like we should add one more line to describe NTFS to grub
[10:36] <mcphail> norhted: ask later when bob2 etc are around. They can fix _everything_ ;)
[10:36] <colmore> so nobody has had to mess with an intel graphics card then?
[10:36] <mcphail> colmore: not here
[10:36] <norhted> mcphail: i know :) thnx
[10:37] <djp> do i need postfix in order to send email using rmail (emacs)?
[10:38] <to|m> kyncani: thx... but what di u think about a "save installed package list" option in Syaptic... this could be fine, i think
[10:38] <psychonate> Neat-looking quake 1 mod: http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Tenebrae
[10:39] <kyncani> to|m: well, it would be a graphical way to access it, sure it would be fine :) But the way it is right now, debfoster is the way :)
[10:39] <doyx> hi, about 22 people are currently stuck at 72% trying to get the PPC Live DVD via Bitorrent because there are no seeders. Is someone able to seed this ISO iamge for a littel while? Thx!!!!
[10:39] <Andares> Does Quake 1 work on Linux?
[10:39] <colmore> how does one install a kernel module file, i've never done it
[10:40] <parabolize> Andares, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Quake-HOWTO-1.html
[10:40] <to|m> kyncani: :) .. and I think it's easy to implement that :)
[10:40] <norhted> whcih packets should i install in order to watch XVID and DIVX compressed video files?
[10:41] <vic1ous> what is the linx that tells you how to install fglrx???
[10:41] <mjr> norhted, gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[10:41] <norhted> mjr: thnx
[10:41] <HiddenWolf> norhted: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:41] <HiddenWolf> that'll list all you need to know
[10:41] <mcphail> psychonate: i've seen the link before. There's a few differences between the ubuntuguide info and the stuff in the wiki. Don't know which is the best.
[10:41] <norhted> :)
[10:41] <HiddenWolf> vic1ous: install linux-restricted-modules
[10:42] <HiddenWolf> vic1ous: that'll set it up for you, only thing you'll have to do is modify your xorg.conf
[10:42] <HiddenWolf> mcphail: stick to the wiki. It's official.
[10:42] <vic1ous> ok how do i install the linux restricted modules?
[10:42] <othernoob> how do i fake the OS data firefox sends to a website?
[10:42] <vic1ous> and what do i change in the conf
[10:43] <nichos> hi all, ubuntu install OK, but im not getting any video when X comes up on my dell DVI monitor, any ideas?
[10:43] <abydos> ubotu: tell me about xvid
[10:43] <windex> oh man. now i have more questions than i had before. :) does ubuntu have a out of box supported methood for doing automatic installation?
[10:43] <vic1ous> ok how do i install the linux restricted modules?
[10:43] <vic1ous> and what do i change in the conf
[10:43] <mcphail> HiddenWolf: i've still got a lot of time for ubuntuguide. it helped me get warty running smoothly all those months ago! The wiki is getting better, though.
[10:43] <parabolize> vic1ous, read second page http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Quake-HOWTO-2.html
[10:43] <abydos> ubotu: tell me about codecs
[10:43] <psychonate> For Quake1, this looks to be the most promising binary: http://mfcn.ilo.de/glxquake/
[10:43] <HiddenWolf> vic1ous: open a terminal then write sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-<yourkernel>
[10:44] <psychonate> parabolize, check out that link I just put up
[10:44] <HiddenWolf> mcphail: i'm not saying it's bad, I'm just pionting out it's usually better to stick to the official stuff.
[10:44] <vic1ous> k what do i put where it says yourkernel
[10:44] <abydos> This may sound like a stupid question, but why is the wiki on an https site?
[10:45] <mcphail> HiddenWolf: to a large extent, I agree.
[10:45] <windex> abydos: editing a wiki requires a username and a password. transmitting usernames and passwords in plain text is bad?
[10:45] <ubuntu> hye whers that paste bin place ?
[10:45] <HiddenWolf> vic1ous: the kernel version you're currently running
[10:45] <vic1ous> but how do i find out
[10:45] <windex> let me rewind to my original query.
[10:45] <kyncani> Eeek, 666 unread spam messages
[10:45] <vic1ous> my games are running choppy
[10:45] <windex> oh man. now i have more questions than i had before. :) does ubuntu have a out of box supported methood for doing automatic installation?
[10:46] <ubuntu> ah never mind
[10:46] <vic1ous> and someone told me that if i install the fglrx it would fix it
[10:46] <nichos> any ideas on dvi and ubuntu? i lose video when the machine starts x
[10:46] <HiddenWolf> windex: yes, but it's not very userfriendly yet
[10:46] <HiddenWolf> nichos: no, my dell 2405 has no problem whatsoever
[10:46] <windex> HiddenWolf: thats fine, i'm not user friendly either. is it documented in any way?
[10:46] <din> zerboxx, i8kmon -n
[10:46] <colmore> sorry to pester, asking again: has anyone successfully set up openGL on an intel graphics card.  the intel driver installer is bitching to me about kernel modules, but it only seems to want to provide modules for commercial rpm distros :-(
[10:46] <din> hehe
[10:47] <abydos> windex:  point taken.
[10:47] <nichos> HiddenWolf i havent been able to find any docs (knoppix fails aswell) the dvi lcd just goes to sleep on boot
[10:47] <owlmanatt_> colmore: Try converting the .rpms to .debs with alien?
[10:47] <mcphail> By the way, is anyone else having difficulties authenticating the SSL certificate for the wiki?
[10:47] <concept10> Any mac mini owners here?
[10:47] <djp> any rmail users here?
[10:47] <windex> mcphail: its either not signed by a CA or its expired. i haven't looked at it close enough to figure it out.
[10:47] <Emily> id have a mac mini if i could afford one
[10:47] <colmore> insmod isn't liking the modules, that's my problem owlmanatt
[10:47] <zerboxx> din: heh, what does your left button do?
[10:47] <vic1ous> but how do i find out what kernel im running a friend told me if i switch to fglrx it would run my games smoother
[10:47] <concept10> nalioth, where are you?
[10:48] <owlmanatt_> colmore: Ah, I see.
[10:48] <nichos> but the install went smooth
[10:48] <mcphail> windex: it would be rather distracting for new users...
[10:48] <HiddenWolf> windex, yeah, it should. Check for preseed, d-i and there should be support for whatever fedora does to automate installs as well
[10:48] <python> I know someone who has  a mac mini and he is installing Linux on there.......
[10:48] <nichos> once X comes up,and i try to ctrl alt F# it doesnt bring the monitor up either
[10:48] <din> zerboxx, im not sure lol
[10:48] <colmore> ok all time for an early dinner, thanks for the help
[10:48] <othernoob> how do i fake the OS data firefox sends to a website?
[10:48] <zerboxx> din: heh mine does nothing, while right button changes fan speed
[10:48] <doyx> concept10: no mac mini, but G4 Power mac
[10:48] <windex> HiddenWolf: okay. :) does the installer automatically generate any of the data for doing a preseed like anaconda does on redhat?
[10:48] <concept10> nalioth has a mac mini I think. im thinking about going to pick on up
[10:49] <basti_> where do I change which resoluhions are being used in gnome?
[10:49] <concept10> doyx, is it difficult to install linux on there?
[10:49] <din> zerboxx, i hear it doing something, not sure what though
[10:49] <python> Mac just aint as congfigurable as Linux
[10:49] <din> zerboxx, i think it's the proc fan...
[10:49] <HiddenWolf> windex: I have no personal experience, but you should be able to feed it a fedora preseed file at least on breezy. d-i and debian preseed are a pain and badly documented, if at all.
[10:49] <delire> concept10: i was looking at one today. the fact their such a (white) black box turns me off.
[10:49] <Comp_Lex> python: don't compare hardware with software :P
[10:50] <HiddenWolf> windex: it's something being worked on for this development cycle, that is for sure. No clue if/how it actually works tho.
[10:50] <delire> python: tell me about it, i've had to work with a G5 running Tiger at work. awful
[10:50] <nichos> are there any kernel options i can pass ubuntu at the start?
[10:50] <din> zerboxx, i'm pretty sure it is
[10:50] <windex> HiddenWolf: okay, thanks.
[10:50] <zerboxx> din: There is a plugin for i8k for xfce...why not gnome :(
[10:50] <zerboxx> din: Very likely the proc fan
[10:50] <din> there is??
[10:50] <doyx> concept10: I had it installed before disk crash. no probs
[10:50] <basti_> if I have only 1 resolution available in gnome where can I change that?
[10:50] <python> i prefer free software too, it is important and ethical to me to only mainly use free software and open source
[10:50] <mcphail> I know a couple of people using Ubuntu on minis - good as a silent server
[10:50] <windex> HiddenWolf: well, i'm a developer by trade, so if i can't get it to work, i'll be looking for somewhere to start the hard way. :)
[10:51] <concept10> delire, It will match my external USB drive, ist silver and white so i dont mind as much
[10:51] <Comp_Lex> basti_: you can change it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:51] <windex> HiddenWolf: if there's an active project for it i will remember to offer to sign up to help.
[10:51] <coolkev> the version of Mozilla Thunderbird in the Ubuntu repository aswell as the extra repositories is very outdated.. it's at version 1.0.2, while the latest version is 1.0.6 when can we expect to see an update in the repositories?
[10:51] <HiddenWolf> windex, i've tried finding it, but i couldn't so far. Reed the udu.wiki.ubuntu.com goals on OEMinstaller, to start.
[10:51] <basti_> yeah I know, but where exactly in xorg,conf?
[10:51] <concept10> I would sell my laptop for 500 to get one, its a year old
[10:51] <din> zerboxx, where is this plugin for xfce?
[10:51] <doyx> concept10: I'd love to try/install the Live DVD but it's a no-go because no bittorrent seeders :(
[10:52] <The_Vox> coolkev: use backports
[10:52] <zerboxx> din: not sure, found it on xfce website
[10:52] <concept10> doyx, dialup?
[10:52] <Comp_Lex> coolkev: Hoary FF comes with 1.0.5/1.0.6 patches, don't worry ;)
[10:52] <delire> python: i share that view, but on a surface level the hardware seems nice enough, great case design, but i find OSX horrible to work with, and there seems very few ways to customise the interface so i can get off the dependency on the mouse and the 'finder'.
[10:52] <doyx> concept10, dsl
[10:52] <coolkev> The_Vox those are the extra repositories?
[10:52] <concept10> just get it from http/ftp
[10:53] <The_Vox> coolkev: it's a repository of newer versions of some stuff
[10:53] <coolkev> Comp_Lex: I'm talking about THUNDERBIRD. please read my question carefully. I am not asking about firefox
[10:53] <concept10> I wouldnt mind dual booting osx and linux, I never boot into windows anymore
[10:53] <doyx> concept10, I only found it to be available via bittorrent. CD images are available though
[10:53] <python> the hardware of macs is good and the OS is good but it isnt 100% free software
[10:53] <delire> concept10: right, i meant it in the sense of it's 'upgradeablility'. for this reason i am going to buy a shuttle PC i think. slightly larger and several times more bang for my buck.
[10:53] <Comp_Lex> coolkev: whoops sorry :P
[10:53] <HiddenWolf> windex: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/OEMInstaller - http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientIntegration -
[10:53] <coolkev> The_Vox: backports are are the extra repositories that are commented?
[10:53] <The_Vox> coolkev: no, you need to add them to your sources.list
[10:54] <concept10> delire, True.  The shuttles are nice but they dont run os x (at least not yet)
[10:54] <MartenH> I'm trying to reach shares on my XP computer, however only one of them shows up in the list, why?
[10:54] <ompaul> how does one invoke fortune?
[10:54] <coolkev> The_Vox: where can i find these backport repositories?
[10:54] <HiddenWolf> The_Vox: backports have led a load of people to mess up, so be careful
[10:54] <HiddenWolf> ompaul: type fortune in a terminal
[10:54] <Xappe> hmm, putty has no urlhandler...not that I can see anyway. that's a pitty...
[10:54] <mcphail> ompaul: click on wanda
[10:54] <delire> concept10: well i care little with OSX, having had to work with it alot recently.
[10:54] <The_Vox> HiddenWolf: really? I haven't had a problem with backports so far
[10:54] <delire> s/with/for
[10:55] <The_Vox> coolkev: do a search in google for "ubuntu backports" it should point you to the right site, which unfortunately for you I don't have bookmarked
[10:55] <zerboxx> din: Found a gdesklet applet which shows me the temp on the desktop, that may be good enough :)
[10:55] <ompaul> HiddenWolf, I hate that, it does not run at root :) (sudo -s is my friend so I was protected :))
[10:55] <HiddenWolf> The_Vox: some people got severely messed up with that firefox mess earlier, for one. haven't used them myself for a while, but i had some trouble upgrading myself
[10:55] <coolkev> ok thanks The_Vox
[10:55] <HiddenWolf> ompaul: sudo rocks
[10:55] <concept10> delire, I havent had much exposure with os x, my sister has a powerbook g4 (which I gave her a ubuntu live cd and she says what do I need that for :)
[10:55] <The_Vox> HiddenWolf: ah! the firefox mess wasn't backport's fault, it was mozilla's fault, they messed up
[10:56] <din> zerboxx, i found the xfce4 plugin hehe
[10:56] <mcphail> delire: the apple hardware seems to run linux very well. Mac mini is tempting from this point of view.
[10:56] <HiddenWolf> The_Vox: i'm well aware, but people downloaded the new ubuntu version, where messed up, and couldn't go back to the backports version either, so they had to get another browser while ubuntu fixed their package.
[10:56] <The_Vox> concept10: it's my firm belief that 99% of humanity would be perfectly happy and productive with OSX...the other 1% is those of us who are geeks
[10:56] <delire> concept10: of couse she does, however if she cared about raw performance this would another matter albeit.
[10:57] <The_Vox> HiddenWolf: oh, well, yes, that....I just never run a packaged firefox...nobody knows how to pack it right lol! I prefer to use the official installer
[10:57] <delire> mcphail: yes, agreed, though there is no such thing as 'Mac Hardware'. apple have never made hardware. Asustek and Quanta computing in Taiwan do it for them. both companies make laptops and components for several other companies also.
[10:57] <concept10> The_Vox, I believe that myself.  I believe apple will gain alot of the market in coming years
[10:58] <din> zerboxx, !!! this is awesome
[10:58] <The_Vox> concept10: it's my deepest hope and wish
[10:58] <concept10> delire, huh?
[10:58] <delire> mcphail: Linux on PPC is a beautiful thing, agreed.
[10:58] <ompaul> The_Vox, 99.9 percent would be happy with ubuntu and may be yet with the voles latest tricks - show me the receipt gig :)
[10:58] <Goodspeed> What are the minimum requirements for ubuntu?
[10:58] <zerboxx> din: :) the plugin?
[10:58] <mcphail> delire: I take your point, but the concept of having a limited number of well known components is an attractive one
[10:58] <The_Vox> ompaul: 99% of humanity can't install an OS to save their lifes.
[10:58] <concept10> delire, apple has always been a hardware vendor, yes they may outsource some stuff but who doesnt ?
[10:58] <python>  Goodspeed i have seen Ubuntu running on a 486
[10:59] <din> zerboxx, yep, i'll take a screenshot of it
[10:59] <Goodspeed> ive got a 500 mhz processor with 128 ram
[10:59] <oni> how do I install from a .deb?
[10:59] <Goodspeed> fedoras 4 is running right no
[10:59] <concept10> python, thats what your using now?
[10:59] <zerboxx> I will too, show you what I've done
[10:59] <Goodspeed> w
[10:59] <Goodspeed> and its super slow
[10:59] <ompaul> The_Vox, which is why there is so little happiness on planet earth :)
[10:59] <funkyHat> oni, sudo dpkg -i packagename
[10:59] <oni> thanks!
[10:59] <delire> concept10: no they are not. they simply provide a design spec to taiwanese companies, AsusTek and Quanta to make machines for them. my Asus laptop will be very close in design to the next generation MacIntel laptops.
[11:00] <python> fedora can be quite sluggish
[11:00] <concept10> I have a Celeron 333mhz box with 768 ? something ram, its slow as hell for a desktop.  Decent server though
[11:00] <funkyHat> oni, you can use the tab key to autocomplete filenames too :)
[11:00] <Goodspeed> so python youd recommend ubuntu over fedora?
[11:00] <python> partly as it contains many packages
[11:00] <python> UBUNTU ROCKS
[11:00] <oni> yeah I know, thanks!
[11:00] <concept10> Goodspeed, I would
[11:00] <Goodspeed> what about that celega or whatever
[11:00] <delire> concept10: mcphail: http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/01/20050114041111.shtml
[11:00] <Goodspeed> that runs on ubuntu right?
[11:00] <delire> ompaul: ;)
[11:01] <funkyHat> Goodspeed, yes, cedega runs on ubuntu
[11:01] <scythe> anyone know why they bt dl of the ubuntu dvd is only giving like 17k download speeds?
[11:01] <oni> how do I fi the dependences?
[11:01] <ompaul> delire, well someone had to make us all happy  :)
[11:01] <Goodspeed> scythe im getting 80k
[11:01] <delire> hehe
[11:01] <concept10> Goodspeed, Linux software runs on Linux.  Some is just harder than other to configure
[11:01] <flugh> Goodspeed, as a 'moved from FC3 & 4 to ubuntu' user myself, i have to vote for ubuntu over fedora for my home use
[11:01] <ompaul> scythe, not enough people doing bt for it
[11:01] <concept10> flugh, I did the same.
[11:01] <mcphail> delire: I'm currently wondering about a new box. Difficult to decide between AMD, Intel or PPC
[11:01] <din> zerboxx, http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xfcei8k2rz.jpg
[11:02] <funkyHat> oni, sudo apt-get install *list the dependencies here to have them installed, separate by spaces*
[11:02] <Goodspeed> so ubuntu doesnt use as many resources as fedora?
[11:02] <scythe> dear god, goodspeed... where did you find the seed, im using the one from the dl page on ubuntu.com
[11:02] <python> Apt-Get is better than yum too due to more packages
[11:02] <din> zerboxx, in the bottom right corner
[11:02] <flugh> i still use fc3 at work, because of the limited package set. work is just database, web server, samba. no internet connection, yada
[11:02] <python> ubuntu uses a minimilistic installation you could say
[11:02] <din> :)
[11:02] <delire> concept10 mcphail there are several reports suggesting it's possible to get 'unbadged' (meaning without the apple logo) laptops and mac mini's in Taiwan. illegitimately of course..
[11:02] <scythe> 17-18 k.... 11 k out
[11:02] <concept10> python, apt-get is far superior than yum IMHO
[11:02] <Goodspeed> 80k dl 8k out
[11:02] <Goodspeed> lol
[11:02] <concept10> delire, thats interesting
[11:03] <concept10> delire, but you can get anything unbadged in Taiwan, even Nike shoes :)
[11:03] <scythe> im on dsl.... can get 100k on almost everything else i dl, cant get jack on the dvd i really want
[11:03] <mcphail> delire: it would be nice to get the hardware without paying for an OS I would remove anyway
[11:03] <python> Ubuntu seem more commited to FREE SOFTWARE too
[11:03] <flugh> i can't support the 'apt better than yum' with real numbers. i just know the downloading of headers for yum is gawd-awful slow. apt does it's business much quicker for me
[11:03] <delire> mcphail: RANT: architecture diversification is important. don't support the M$ and Apple architecture monoculture, buy AMD ;)
[11:04] <scythe> ubuntu actually allowed me to compile things.... unlike many other distros
[11:04] <Blissex> flugh: APT is faster, Yum is not as limited as APT
[11:04] <funkyHat> python, don't forget ubuntu supports mp3 out of the box. that's a pretty big downside of redhat's products
[11:04] <mcphail> delire: you on AMD 64?
[11:04] <python> Although i know Fedora is open source of course its vision of a distro to me seems a bit blurred
[11:04] <delire> mcphail: precisely.. i asked an Apple rep about this, and they will not ship the apple gear without OSX. bummer.
[11:04] <concept10> flugh, I agree with you on the headers, but I will also add that .rpm has more dependency problems
[11:04] <funkyHat> ;)
[11:04] <python> Is it really hard though to install mp3 support
[11:05] <concept10> delire, why would you want them to? to save money?
[11:05] <norhted_> libgii0-target-x depends on libgii0      libgii0 depends on libgii0-target-x
[11:05] <scythe> no, not really
[11:05] <oni> where I can find tcltls?
[11:05] <flugh> oh, i'm convinced "dependancy hell" was coined by someone using rpm
[11:05] <norhted_> anyone who has any idea?
[11:05] <funkyHat> no, but for non-tech people, it could be
[11:05] <python> they choose not to install it due to patent licensing acts, i dont blame them
[11:05] <concept10> I hardly used yum in fedora, I used apt4rpm
[11:05] <delire> mcphail: no, Pentium M ;) next machine will hopefully be an IBM PPC Thinkpad ;) or yes, an AMD
[11:05] <delire> concept10: sorry, don't understand the Q
[11:06] <oni> tcltls anyone?
[11:06] <python> Non techie people should use Windows
[11:06] <delire> flugh: it was.
[11:06] <concept10> Ubuntu has a better community and resources and philosophy......it all counts IMO
[11:06] <mcphail> delire: I'm using an M in my laptop at the moment. Wondering about AMD for a new desktop, but worried about binary-only driver probs
[11:06] <python> kidding
[11:06] <vader1102> dlelire: I am using a Dell p2 366, 256 MB RAM and 6 gig hard drive lol...soon I will have an external 200 gig hard drive
[11:06] <funkyHat> python, then why is ubuntu's motto 'linux for human beings' ;)
[11:06] <vader1102> delire:
[11:07] <vader1102> ^^
[11:07] <python> perhaps begginners need a distro like linspire
[11:07] <delire> python: not true, i know several people that despise computers and have no interest in them, yet use Linux.
[11:07] <funkyHat> hehe
[11:07] <Slipaway172> im thinking about buying a ati card and i would like to know if ati requires drivers like a nvidia card or does ubuntu already come prebuilt with official ati drivers ?
[11:07] <concept10> funkyHat, because Linux for pigs was already trademarked
[11:07] <owlmanatt_> mcphail: 32 bit AMD chips and penium M chips should be binary compatible, shouldn't they?
[11:07] <Seveas> Slipaway172, Ubuntu provides both ati and nvidia drivers...
[11:07] <mcphail> owlmanatt_: yes, but for AMD 64...
[11:07] <python> i know delire, my girlf friends two kids are some of these
[11:07] <mebaran151> owlmanatt_, actually no
[11:08] <funkyHat> concept10, by whom? my pigs use gentoo
[11:08] <mebaran151> I think AMD 32 bit chips hav ea couple extra instrucution
[11:08] <mebaran151> s
[11:08] <Comp_Lex> python: Linspire is IMHO a "fake" distro, it hides the true nature of linux
[11:08] <concept10> funkyHat, :)
[11:08] <delire> mcphail: it's an issue yes. that will change by the time my next machine is needed.
[11:08] <scythe> woo hoo , 1d 18h left on the torrent, im gonna need a lot of coffee
[11:08] <mebaran151> most notably 3dnow and 3dnowex that Intel never did put in
[11:08] <Slipaway172> but i have a nvidia and the drivers SUCK, so i downloaded the retail from a back port
[11:08] <flugh> but in fedora's favor, X is configured out of the box after installation. i had to dig up my monitor settings and stuff after ubuntu's install. but i needed practice anyway ;)
[11:08] <owlmanatt_> mebaran151: Ah, but Ubuntu x86 would run in Intel or AMD32?
[11:08] <mebaran151> owlmanatt_, yep
[11:08] <Seveas> Slipaway172, you should have followed wiku.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:08] <zerboxx> I find that some programs stick to the screens edgse or the top/bottom bar (in gnome), is it possible to make this normal for all apps?
[11:08] <concept10> flugh, yep thats true
[11:08] <mcphail> delire: i think i migt have to support the monoculture in the meantime ;p
[11:09] <mebaran151> because they are compiled for i386
[11:09] <delire> mcphail: hehe, as i said, it was a rant.
[11:09] <oni> where I can get sox?
[11:09] <mebaran151> which is the lowest common denominotr
[11:09] <python> Its a hard battle,  you have users who really dont have a clue even on windows, they can get into trouble from installing things too easily and then ended up with a cluttered system. However if its ahrder to install these people become frustrated
[11:09] <flugh> concept10, not a deal-breaker for me though. just made me realize how lazy i'd gotten ;)
[11:09] <delire> oni: apt-get install sox
[11:09] <basti_> !tell basti about ati
[11:09] <vader1102> flugh just wait, Ubuntu already kicks butt, this will improve over the next distro or 2
[11:09] <oni> it says not aviliable
[11:09] <delire> hmm
[11:09] <Seveas> oni, enable universe
[11:09] <Seveas> oni: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:10] <Seveas> oni: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:10] <oni> thnaks
[11:10] <concept10> flugh, I wouldnt say that Fedora is a bad repo. I just dont like the nature of the distro anymore.  Fedora moves to fast, I bet you cant get support for FC2 right now. Everyone will tell you to upgrade to 4.  If you have a server you dont want to update that quickly
[11:10] <frank> does anybody know how to play *.wmv's on linux?
[11:11] <python> I think the real reason to why Linux should be adopted is becoming lost, the main reason is FREEDOM in the sense of having vibrant communities and sharing applications, source code, knowledge etc. The freedom to use software despite your financial means
[11:11] <salil> hello
[11:11] <salil> i need help.. can anyone help me
[11:11] <Seveas> python, join the club
[11:11] <Slipaway172> so a ati 9000 wont work?
[11:11] <python> whats up salil
[11:11] <Seveas> Slipaway172, sure it will
[11:11] <salil> PLEASE
[11:11] <Xyk0> has anybody managed to authenticate ubuntu with Active Directory of Windows 2003 Server?
[11:11] <ubuntu> how can i get wget to download this properly
[11:11] <tritium> salil, just ask
[11:11] <ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/777
[11:11] <funkyHat> salil, just ask
[11:11] <Burgundavia> salil, just ask your question
[11:11] <delire> Fedora is an experimental OS designed as a testing ground for applications that may or may not make it into the enterprise editions. the Fedora project page makes this clear. Fedora is unstable by nature and should not be used by new linux users.
[11:12] <concept10> python, I dont think that is getting lost.  I refuse to pay for software.  And I refuse to pirate
[11:12] <Seveas> frank: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[11:12] <salil> hey.. Mr. Ubuntu users.. PLEASE HELP ME
[11:12] <norhted_> guys, is this a strange depency, isnt it? libgii0-target-x depends on libgii0 libgii0 depends on libgii0-target-x
[11:12] <Burgundavia> salil, just ask your question
[11:12] <tritium> salil, we already told you to ask your question
[11:12] <salil> i am having problems with my internet connection in ubuntu
[11:12] <frank> salil: whats your problem
[11:12] <Slipaway172> then why does it say to install that for 9500 and up
[11:12] <norhted_> how can i isntall them?
[11:12] <funkyHat> salil, what kind of internet connection is it?
[11:12] <frank> salil: did you check your dns's?
[11:12] <concept10> delire, true statement
[11:12] <salil> its very slow.. if i use windows, then.. there's no problem..
[11:12] <python> im glad u refuse to pirate, so do i which puts us in the open source world straight away
[11:12] <salil> its a dialup connection.. 56K
[11:12] <Burgundavia> delire, odd, because a lot of new users use Fedora, because it tends to have the newer stuff, which tends to be more usable
[11:12] <Seveas> salil, is browsing slow?
[11:12] <mcphail> Slipaway172: I'm using it on a 9000 with good results
[11:12] <python> But developers can charge for free software or open source
[11:12] <i3dmaster> anyone knows how to get the "open terminal" back from the right click menu?
[11:13] <salil> yes. very slow
[11:13] <nexu|nb> can someone tell me the name of the "system admin>networking" tool?
[11:13] <Seveas> salil: Open firefox and go to about:config. Now search for network.dns.disableIPV6 and set that value to true. Restart Firefox to see the effect.
[11:13] <nexu|nb> like the binary name
[11:13] <Seveas> try whether that helps
[11:13] <flugh> concept10, yeah, i am running fc3 at the office. no real use for it at this second (next couple weeks though...). the fc4 cds are sitting next to it. i dont want to upgrade though. "If it aint broke, dont fix it"
[11:13] <i3dmaster> anyone knows how to get the "open terminal" back from the right click menu?
[11:13] <Slipaway172> good, today i somehow killed my OLD nvidia V7700 card
[11:13] <Seveas> nexu|nb, network-admin
[11:13] <salil> where is about:config
[11:13] <delire> Burgundavia: it is popular by derivation of the RedHat name. this is why new users arrive at it, largely from the RH page. Fedora does not even claim to be a desktop ready OS, and why should it. it's essentially a community driven lab for trialing RH products.
[11:14] <funkyHat> salil, type it in the address bar, in firefox
[11:14] <python> salil type about:config into your browser
[11:14] <Seveas> salil, it's an address you have to enter in the firefox address bar
[11:14] <frank> python: unfortunately what if i want to pay money for something slightly "more represented, guarenteed, backedup," eh?
[11:14] <nexu|nb> Seveas: can you also tell me which package its part of pls
[11:14] <salil> ooh
[11:14] <Burgundavia> delire, the foundation should help some of that, but it is still a testbed
[11:14] <delire> Burgundavia: sure..
[11:14] <salil> so.. this is it....
[11:14] <tdmg> hey there everyone, the guys on #kubuntu sent me over here with my problem on Valknut, anyone know a bit about Valknut who can help me?
[11:14] <Seveas> nexu, gnome-system-tools
[11:14] <Nikopol> working now salil?
[11:15] <python> then u pay people like red hat to take care of this 4 u
[11:15] <salil> i'm trying..
[11:15] <Nikopol> ok
[11:15] <nexu|nb> Seveas: big thx
[11:15] <ubuntu> who do i get wget to see paste bin links properly
[11:15] <salil> seems to work.. but.. its the same with gaim and other internet softwares..
[11:15] <ubuntu> it just doenloads the php
[11:15] <norhted_> libgii0-target-x depends on libgii0; libgii0 depends on libgii0-target-x; ?
[11:15] <concept10> Burgundavia, I was using Fedora because of new packages but Ubuntu has new packages that are stable.  The community is tighter also.  You have to go through loops and chains to contribute to the project.  In ubuntu, you start when you like.  Red Hat engineers still maintain tight grip on the distro (Which is not bad)
[11:16] <funkyHat> salil, does gaim remain slow, or does it just take a while to connect initially?
[11:16] <Nikopol> salil:  gaim can be quite slow to connect even on 2M adsl
[11:16] <delire> concept10: interesting..
[11:16] <Seveas> ubuntu, in the case of the ubuntu pastebin: wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/pastebin.php?download=38
[11:16] <Burgundavia> concept10, true, for some unknown reason, my lug installs FC at our install fests
[11:16] <Seveas> that will download post nr 38 as plain text
[11:16] <salil> its slow.. and it takes a time.. while starting too..
[11:16] <Nikopol> salil: and transferring files is a no-goer under gaim - best using webspace or email for that
[11:16] <salil> oh really.?
[11:16] <salil> then its fine in my pc too i think..
[11:17] <Nikopol> salil: yeah - I'll just check
[11:17] <tahooie> Did anyone get an evil firefox update that wont let you view the source?
[11:17] <Nikopol> salil: 10 secs to connect on 2M connection
[11:17] <salil> oh .. thanks..
[11:17] <concept10> Burgundavia, because everyone wants to be familiar with Red Hat because of thier position in the Enterprise market.  If you want a sysadmin job, you need to know how to admin a Red Hat machine.
[11:17] <salil> oh okay..
[11:17] <Burgundavia> concept10, yes and until then, nothing like Ubuntu exisited. All the "newbie" distros cost money
[11:17] <Nikopol> so on 56K it should be much slower
[11:17] <funkyHat> tahooie, ubuntu's firefox has been updated to 1.0.6 (yesterday)
[11:17] <scythe> redhat has the advantage of market share,
[11:17] <MartenH> Is there a way to easily switch between different keyboard lqyouts?
[11:18] <funkyHat> i don't know about the source though
[11:18] <python> Good point Concept, i work at a university and they are running Red hat Linux course soon
[11:18] <Nikopol> salil: any other problems?
[11:18] <Seveas> tahooie, the yesterday firefox upgrade solves that.
[11:18] <python> I believe Ubuntu are working on these issues though
[11:18] <salil> hey.. nikopol... can you help me with something.. can you tell me.. how to setup my machine to compile c/c++ files.. .. i'm a series 60 mobile programmer..
[11:18] <salil> and i'd like to work with linux..
[11:18] <Nikopol> ah wait a minute
[11:18] <Aron_Figaro> hey guys, I'm trying to set up a MIDI server at the moment and I need A) a good soundfont or B) a means of opening this self-extrating exe soundfont that says it can't execute.
[11:18] <tahooie> Seveas, I just upgraded minne. It seems that the latest upgrade broke it.
[11:18] <python> At the End of the day Linux is Linux
[11:18] <Seveas> tahooie, that's odd
[11:19] <MartenH> Is there a way to easily switch between different keyboard lqyouts?
[11:19] <vader1102> and the best of all choices (Linuc) ;-)
[11:19] <concept10> Burgundavia, I agree.  My last statement on this topic.  Ubuntu has done an excellent job.  Has captured a community in a short time.  I believe this is why that Ubuntu catches flak from the true Debian purists sometimes.
[11:19] <Seveas> tahooie, did you use abackported firefox?
[11:19] <psychonate> Did anyone use the quake2 and quake2-data packages?
[11:19] <tahooie> Seveas, what does backported mean? I dont know. I just use the normal instalation.
[11:19] <Nikopol> salil: can't remember but I did something from here http://ubuntuguide.org/
[11:19] <ubuntu> Seveas: sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/pastebin.php?download=38 -o /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:20] <Seveas> tahooie, bad idea, ubuntuguide is creepy with backports
[11:20] <salil> okay.. thanks.
[11:20] <Kejk_PL> I found a bug in hotplug - it was described in: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-5164.html   - the end of file
[11:20] <salil> i'll look it up..
[11:20] <ubuntu> dont do anything but copy the php
[11:20] <scythe> concept10, ubuntu may not have been able to get such a community if debian hadn't been draggin its feet,
[11:20] <Seveas> tahooie, aptitude purge firefox moizlla-firefox
[11:20] <Xyk0> has anybody managed to authenticate ubuntu against Active Directory of Windows 2003 Server?
[11:20] <scythe> but i cant down debian, its hard to matain a distro
[11:20] <tahooie> Seveas, wahoo! I just had to restart firefox. (doh!)
[11:20] <Seveas> waah lol :)
[11:20] <Aron_Figaro> Anyone have anything to help me with my self-extrating EXE problem?
[11:20] <Seveas> then discard my command :)
[11:20] <flugh> editor war in #postgresql ;)
[11:20] <ubuntu> Seveas: sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/pastebin.php?download=38 -o /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:21] <ubuntu> dont do anything but copy the php
[11:21] <nexu|nb> Aron_Figaro: does unzip work on it ?
[11:21] <zerboxx> What do I need to fix this error: "checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is require d for intltool"??
[11:21] <delire> concept10: Debian never intended to be a 'desktop OS', it's a universal OS _whose primary purpose is to provide for outcomes like Ubuntu_
[11:21] <scythe> whas the problem aron?
[11:21] <Nikopol> salil: I assume you'll need GCC and other stuff with it
[11:21] <Seveas> ubuntu, -O
[11:21] <Seveas> not -o
[11:21] <Nikopol> but I can't remember what package it's all bundled into
[11:21] <ubuntu> ah
[11:21] <mcphail> Aron_Figaro: you could try a simple unzip. It often works.
[11:21] <ubuntu> :)
[11:21] <basti> why in the name of damned hell cannot I get any other friggin resolution on my desktop other than 640x480? I even tried with reconfiguring xserver. fckin hell it worked just fine on my brothers pc
[11:21] <abydos> Aron_Figaro:  take a look at 'unp' in apt
[11:21] <salil> i've already installed gcc...
[11:22] <Seveas> basti, badmouthing won't help. Please watch your language
[11:22] <salil> i mean.. i've already installed all the packages that come with ubuntu..
[11:22] <Seveas> basti: To find out how you can change your display resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:22] <abydos> unp for unpack
[11:22] <ubuntu> Seveas: wget: invalid option -- 0
[11:22] <Seveas> ubuntu, -O
[11:22] <concept10> scythe, Maybe, but I think they would have still made a difference.  Ubuntu community and atmosphere == :) Okay, let me help you with that.  Debian == I run CLI only, I dont know how to install that theme.  GGRRRRRRRRRowl.... :)R
[11:22] <Seveas> not -0
[11:22] <Seveas> it's a capital O
[11:22] <mcphail> salil: build-essential should have everything you need
[11:23] <jalan2> please help me install ubuntu
[11:23] <concept10> scythe, j/k
[11:23] <Seveas> jalan2, what's the problem?
[11:23] <abydos> concept10:  Ubuntu has a much more personable community than debian
[11:23] <Aron_Figaro> unzip fails
[11:23] <Slipaway172> jalan2,  put the cd in the drive and hit enter
[11:23] <MAPD> hyi
[11:23] <MAPD> hi
[11:23] <MAPD> with the live cd i can install ubuntu?
[11:23] <AndyRR> hi anyone able to call me using gnomemeeting?
[11:23] <Seveas> MAPD, no
[11:23] <abydos> Aron_Figaro:  sudo apt-get install unp
[11:23] <MAPD> or need specially download  the install iso?
[11:23] <Slipaway172> MAPD, no
[11:23] <Aron_Figaro> doing that now actually :p
[11:23] <abydos> Aron_Figaro:  then unp archive_here
[11:23] <Seveas> MAPD, yep, download the installer
[11:23] <Sputn1k> how to change ubuntu spash screen?
[11:23] <concept10> MAPD, yes get the iso
[11:24] <Sputn1k> *gnome
[11:24] <MAPD> the install iso?
[11:24] <mcphail> Aron_Figaro: can you run it under WINE?
[11:24] <oni> how I can force my Trash to empty?
[11:24] <Seveas> Sputn1k: To change the Ubuntu splash screen, open the gconf-editor and change the key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash-image
[11:24] <MAPD> i thought it was like knoopix
[11:24] <scythe> concept10,i agree, i coundn't get my gdm or kdm up and running on my laptop in debian, i am slowly converting from suse to ubuntu... that is a big change
[11:24] <MAPD> :p
[11:24] <jalan2> in the middle, it keeps over again after "nic-firmware_2.6.10-5-386-di"
[11:24] <Aron_Figaro> Aha, it's in Orange.
[11:24] <salil> yes..
[11:24] <Seveas> oni, rm -rf ~/.Trash
[11:24] <oni> thanks
[11:24] <Aron_Figaro> Which I've never heard of before. What happened to compression format standards? :p
[11:24] <jalan2> the computer is around 1997s
[11:24] <MAPD> thank you very much
[11:24] <delire> concept10: many folk here run Debian (like me, since 'Potato'). like them i find the culture of #debian generally poor, but love the community in other manifestations.
[11:24] <Slipaway172> MAPD, using the install cd is the only guantarred was and most recogonized
[11:24] <MAPD> another thing
[11:24] <MAPD> i have an ati 9700 256mb
[11:24] <abydos> Aron_Figaro:  they all died, very painfully and horribly
[11:24] <MAPD> how can i install it?
[11:25] <jalan2> i need help installing ubuntu---in the middle, it keeps over again after "nic-firmware_2.6.10-5-386-di"
[11:25] <Seveas> MAPD, is that a PCI express?
[11:25] <Slipaway172> wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:25] <MAPD> Seveas PCI
[11:25] <Slipaway172> go there
[11:25] <MAPD> im sorry
[11:25] <MAPD> AG
[11:25] <Seveas> MAPD: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/782
[11:25] <MAPD> AGP
[11:25] <MAPD> lOL
[11:25] <abydos> How would one modify the image brightness and contrast in mplayer?
[11:25] <Seveas> ah ok
[11:25] <MAPD> where the well i thought PCi
[11:25] <MAPD> Lol
[11:25] <concept10> delire, I run debian also.  I agree with you about the culture of pound debian .  Maybe I havent been around long enough
[11:25] <Slipaway172> MAPD, no it is a AGP X8
[11:25] <Seveas> discard my last URL then MAPD
[11:25] <Aron_Figaro> still won't freaking unzip
[11:25] <Aron_Figaro> maybe it's a windows installer and they didn't tell me.
[11:26] <MAPD> Slipaway172 i meant agp 4x
[11:26] <MAPD> lOl
[11:26] <puff> i'm generally a debian guy, but I need to install a desktop (instead of a server) and some folks have recommended ubuntu to me as being a good, installer-friendly, GUI-friendly distro.
[11:26] <puff> Any feedback?
[11:26] <MAPD> Seveas so any new url?
[11:26] <norhted_> how can i mount an hd?
[11:26] <MAPD> im a beginner
[11:26] <Seveas> puff, these people were right :)
[11:26] <jalan2> hello?
[11:26] <vader1102> puff: it's awsome dude
[11:26] <Slipaway172> its 4x, dam i thought it was 8x
[11:26] <concept10> heh
[11:26] <Seveas> MAPD: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:26] <jalan2> i also need help
[11:26] <Seveas> norhted_, windows drive?
[11:26] <scythe> puff, i would recommend it for a desktop, i preferr it over the other 5-6 distros ive tried / used in the last year
[11:26] <norhted_> yes
[11:27] <norhted_> Seveas: yes
[11:27] <Seveas> jalan2, ask your quwstion :)
[11:27] <delire> puff: ubuntu sounds like a good fit for you.
[11:27] <Seveas> norhted_: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[11:27] <MAPD> yes
[11:27] <MAPD> im there
[11:27] <jalan2> in the middle, it keeps over again after "nic-firmware_2.6.10-5-386-di" how to solve it?
[11:27] <Sputn1k> Seveas i should change spalsh screen value?
[11:27] <LasseL> puff, it is nice for servers too :)
[11:27] <Seveas> Sputn1k, yup
[11:27] <MAPD> im a beginner is ubuntu the right choice for me?
[11:27] <MAPD> never used debian
[11:27] <Seveas> MAPD, absolute
[11:27] <puff> Any hardcore debian folks who've switched ot ubuntu and can give me a compare/contrast?
[11:27] <Slipaway172> puff, www.distrowatch.com cant be wrong about it being #1
[11:27] <vader1102> MAPD: you bet
[11:27] <Seveas> MAPD, lots of linux beginners use Ubuntu
[11:27] <puff> scythe: Was one of those other 5-6 debian?
[11:27] <MAPD> ok thanks
[11:28] <shark_> hello, any volunteer for writting linux articles?
[11:28] <MAPD> if i learn a lot
[11:28] <delire> puff: i haven't 'switched' but i do run ubuntu on some of my machines.
[11:28] <jalan2> in the middle, it keeps over again after "nic-firmware_2.6.10-5-386-di" how to solve it?
[11:28] <vader1102> puff: it was for me
[11:28] <scythe> mapd, your in the right room if you run into something that you cannot handle, its a great distro for beginners (after 5 years of almost completely windows free, i am still a beginner)
[11:28] <MAPD> can ubuntu be usuful to me?
[11:28] <Seveas> MAPD, most sertainly
[11:28] <Slipaway172> ?
[11:28] <Andares> MAPD, What do you need done?
[11:28] <salil> hey.. my internet programs are still slow..
[11:28] <salil> firefox has improved a little.. but not that much..
[11:28] <scythe> what are you trying to do mapd?
[11:28] <Comp_Lex> puff: I switched from debian 2 ubuntu
[11:28] <Slipaway172> it has everything u would need
[11:28] <jalan2> stuck at 1% then restart over again
[11:28] <Sputn1k> Seveas: no value is splash/ubuntu-splash.png, i should replace it with /home/jurgis/24273-ximian-desktop-unstable-splash.png?
[11:28] <MAPD> Andares prgramming first
[11:28] <Slipaway172> i would recommend some programs from the backports
[11:28] <MAPD> but a few games
[11:28] <LasseL> puff, my gentoo server and my windows workstation crashed within 24 hours 3 weeks ago. I replaced them both with ubuntu and I never missed them a second
[11:29] <MAPD> web designing
[11:29] <Seveas> jalan2, please verify the MD5SUM of the installer ISO before installing
[11:29] <cs378> is ubuntu any good for a total newbie?
[11:29] <Seveas> Sputn1k, yes
[11:29] <MAPD> LasseL thx
[11:29] <MAPD> :p
[11:29] <Slipaway172> yes
[11:29] <scythe> what games mapd? , programming, yess
[11:29] <cs378> or suse is better
[11:29] <Andares> MAPD, Well, you could get Wine/Cedega for the games and KDevelop is an excellent IDE for programming.
[11:29] <MAPD> scythe cs 1.6
[11:29] <MAPD> :P
[11:29] <Slipaway172> suse = $
[11:29] <Seveas> MAPD, you should look at nvu too for web designing
[11:29] <scythe> cant help ya on that one
[11:29] <cs378> oh
[11:29] <delire> puff: as a long time Debian user, Ubuntu is the perfect marriage of a great DE, solid FOSS integrity and the strength/flexibility of Debian.
[11:29] <MAPD> nvu?
[11:29] <norhted_> Seveas: how can i run it?
[11:29] <scythe> suse can be downlaoded free as well,
[11:29] <Seveas> cs378, ubuntu is muxh better
[11:29] <vader1102> I have suse on my desktop pc, I prefer Ubuntu
[11:29] <jalan2> what's MD5SUM?
[11:29] <MAPD> scythe private version
[11:30] <scythe> i recommend ubuntu over suse (I used suse for 3 years)
[11:30] <MAPD> personal i mean
[11:30] <norhted_> cs378: much much better:
[11:30] <Seveas> norhted_, instructions are inside it, read it :)
[11:30] <MAPD> ok thanks
[11:30] <jalan2> what's the command?
[11:30] <Slipaway172> but i found suse to be difficult to get ecpically on a 256kbs connection
[11:30] <cs378> im just afraid that it might not work on my laptop, u kno like hardware problems is pain
[11:30] <funkyHat> mapd, yes, nvu is pretty good, look it up at www.nvu.com, if you want to install it i'd suggest getting the .package file
[11:30] <Seveas> cs378, Ubuntu has the best hardware support I have ever seen
[11:30] <cs378> really
[11:30] <Seveas> yes
[11:30] <norhted_> Seveas: ha ha ha, right :) i am warming up with linux thing :)
[11:30] <Aron_Figaro> Ok, I'm trying to compile Wine now, and I'm on an AMD64 system (I know I have to compile from source to get it to work on my machine).
[11:30] <MAPD> one question please
[11:31] <Seveas> worket out of the box here on 3 non-standard laptops with weird hardware :)
[11:31] <scythe> cs, i have a laptop that has ran ubuntu (had to reimage to get a certain program back... it was easier that way....) it has good support
[11:31] <Slipaway172> ok
[11:31] <MAPD> i forgot
[11:31] <MAPD> lOL
[11:31] <Slipaway172> lol
[11:31] <Aron_Figaro> I did apt-get build-dep wine
[11:31] <Aron_Figaro> that worked
[11:31] <Seveas> cs378, where no other distro would even install :)
[11:31] <MAPD> i remember now
[11:31] <MartenH> Is there a terminal command to switch between keyboard layouts?
[11:31] <Slipaway172> ok
[11:31] <MAPD> ubuntu
[11:31] <Aron_Figaro> then I tried to build the source, and it's giving me an error
[11:31] <Slipaway172> yeah
[11:31] <Aron_Figaro> Anyone care to help me out?
[11:31] <scythe> the only thing i cant get to work is my memory stick pro reader
[11:31] <MAPD> got a command like yum or emerge rught?
[11:31] <delire> Seveas: 3 laptops, you're worse than me ;)
[11:31] <MAPD> right?
[11:31] <puff> delire: FOSS?
[11:31] <funkyHat> MAPD, apt-get
[11:31] <MAPD> ok
[11:31] <Kejk_PL> oh God, I spended two days to help uber_newber install his USB WLAN - echo /sbin/hotplug > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug  al what is needed :/
[11:31] <Seveas> MAPD, apt-get or aptitude
[11:31] <cs378> ok then, u guys have changed me to move to ubuntu after 4 days of suse
[11:31] <scythe> its called apt-get mapd
[11:31] <LasseL> only thing I wish is that there was a newbie friendly installer for all the non-free stuff that most people want
[11:31] <delire> puff: free and open-source software
[11:31] <puff> Ah.
[11:31] <cs378> ill get back here if i need help
[11:31] <cs378> thx
[11:31] <cs378> lol
[11:31] <jalan2> anyone would please help me?
[11:31] <MAPD> it downloads from the net right?
[11:31] <scythe> dang fukyhat, you type quick
[11:31] <Seveas> MAPD, or even betterL synaptic
[11:32] <scythe> yuppers
[11:32] <jalan2> what's MD5SUM?
[11:32] <jalan2> what's the command?
[11:32] <Slipaway172> i like the package manager
[11:32] <jalan2> in the middle, it keeps over again after "nic-firmware_2.6.10-5-386-di" how to solve it?
[11:32] <Seveas> jalan2, search for MD5SUM on the ubuntu wiki
[11:32] <jalan2> ic
[11:32] <norhted_> Seveas: Do you want to make the disk writable by all users instead? (y/n) YES OR NO?
[11:32] <scythe> woo hoo, 1day 17 hours to a working system!!!!!!
[11:32] <scythe> lol
[11:32] <Seveas> norhted_, depends on what you want :)
[11:32] <Slipaway172> jalan2, use " md5sum <directory and file>
[11:32] <funkyHat> MAPD, check out the man page for apt-get, or as Seveas said, synaptic is a graphical version of that, and is dead easy to use
[11:32] <dabaR> Aron_Figaro: sudo aptitude install wine
[11:32] <ubuntu> Seveas: Hey i saw my mistake then saw you corected me to thanks
[11:32] <dabaR> !info wine
[11:32] <ubotu> wine: (Windows Emulator (Binary Emulator)), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.0.20050310-1.1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1248 kB, Installed size: 2596 kB
[11:32] <norhted_> Seveas: i just want to read files from my win drives
[11:33] <Seveas> norhted_, then N
[11:33] <cs378> !info ati
[11:33] <MAPD> i am a special case
 .P
 i need to replace
 that commands
 for a portuguese mirror
[11:33] <Slipaway172> MAPD, use synpatic
[11:33] <norhted_> Seveas: OK :)
[11:33] <cs378> !info fglrx
[11:33] <Seveas> MAPD, do NOT paste in here!
[11:33] <MAPD> sorry
[11:33] <MAPD> .\
[11:33] <Slipaway172> ?
[11:33] <scythe> wine = Wine Is Not an Emulator :)
[11:33] <ubuntu> Seveas: are there some other options bye the way for wget that do that for like other links only mozila usually works out
[11:33] <MAPD> i have download limits
[11:33] <dabaR> I cantuse private msgs if anyone is trying to msg me
[11:33] <MAPD> and i cant update my system
[11:33] <scythe> how big of a limit?
[11:33] <Slipaway172> from what
[11:33] <MAPD> 4gb/month
[11:33] <MAPD> international downloads
[11:33] <Slipaway172> lol
[11:33] <MAPD> national unlimited
[11:33] <MAPD> :\
[11:34] <Slipaway172> that sucks
[11:34] <ubuntu> Seveas: like not just text files but links that arnt exsact
[11:34] <scythe> ahhh, the install cd will work fine, where you located?
[11:34] <cs378> has anyone successfully installed the Ati mobility driver into Ubuntu n have 3d eccleration
[11:34] <Slipaway172> i got unlimited from anywhere
[11:34] <LasseL> norhted, isn't your windows drives mounted "out-of-the-box" ? I think mine were
[11:34] <Seveas> cs378: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:34] <MAPD> cs378 i have an ati mobility
[11:34] <MAPD> i have the sane problem
[11:34] <MAPD> same
[11:34] <Seveas> and it works fine here (the 3 laptops have ATI chips)
[11:34] <jalan2> is that a command or a program? do i have to download?
[11:34] <Aron_Figaro> Ok, it doesn't work so far.
[11:34] <MAPD> so can i replace the commands from portuguese mirrors?
[11:35] <Seveas> LasseL, they aren't
[11:35] <Seveas> that will be fixed in the next version of Ubuntu
[11:35] <mcphail> ATI driver fine on this laptop
[11:35] <jalan2> MD5SUM is this a command or a program? do i have to download?
[11:35] <MAPD> mcphail which laptop?
[11:35] <cs378> ooh righttt
[11:35] <MAPD> i mean graphic card
[11:35] <Seveas> MAPD, if you know any portuguese mirrors, you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list to use them
[11:35] <mcphail> mobility 9000
[11:35] <MAPD> ok thanks
[11:35] <cs378> mobility 9700
[11:35] <Seveas> MAPD, on ubuntu.com/download you can see a list of mirrors
[11:35] <MAPD> :)
[11:35] <MAPD> cs378 like me
[11:36] <delire> cs378: fine here also, but i wouldn't reccommend using my method. use the Ubuntu way to install this driver. i compile it.
[11:36] <cs378> yea, but i havent installed ubuntu yet, soon, maybe tonight
[11:36] <ubuntu> Seveas: are there some other options bye the way for wget that do that for like other links only mozila usually works out?
[11:36] <ubuntu> Seveas: like not just text files but links that arnt exsact
[11:36] <MAPD> install it
[11:36] <MAPD> and tell me if it works
[11:36] <jalan2> MD5SUM is this a command or a program? do i have to download?
[11:36] <Seveas> ubuntu, what do you mean..?
[11:36] <MAPD> i am a special case
 .P
 i need to replace
 that commands
 for a portuguese mirror
[11:36] <MAPD> oops
[11:36] <cs378> MAPD: sure
[11:36] <MAPD> my mistake
[11:37] <norhted_> Seveas: mounting is done, but i want to mount them when i required not all the time
[11:37] <Seveas> jalan2, are you already on an Ubuntu system?
[11:37] <Seveas> norhted, sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[11:37] <Seveas> replace auto with noauto in the lines for your windows drive
[11:37] <jalan2> no
[11:37] <ubuntu> Seveas: like if i put certain links into wget it onlly downloads some php file or something sometimes
[11:37] <norhted_> Seveas: how can you know the all answers of mine :P
[11:37] <delire> Seveas: are you aware of a graphical interface to fstab? something like 'add new partition or disk'. i think newbies would appreciate this.
[11:37] <bluefoxicy> whoa
[11:38] <bluefoxicy> openoffice.org2 just crashed
[11:38] <bluefoxicy> and I told it to recover
[11:38] <jalan2> stopped at the install part
[11:38] <ubuntu> Seveas: this might be a link to a zip or iso or somthing
[11:38] <bluefoxicy> and it recovered to the exact letter I was editing.
[11:38] <Seveas> ubuntu, what you want sounds more like the output of lynx -dump
[11:38] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, NICE!
[11:38] <soothsayer> anyone gotten gd w/ PHP to work with ubuntu?
[11:38] <delire> bluefoxicy: that's a treat isn't it ;)
[11:38] <Seveas> soothsayer, aptitude install php4-gd
[11:38] <mcphail> delire: IIRC, SuSE has one in YAST. Might be worth borrowing for ubuntu
[11:38] <dmgunn> I have Ubuntu 5.04, is there a way to write to NTFS?
[11:38] <Slipaway172> MAPD,  said that was a accident
[11:38] <delire> mcphail: good thought.
[11:38] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  yeah, it was cute, it even loaded both the spreadsheet and the document I was editing
[11:39] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  and it stacked the document on top of the spread sheet as it was, and when i hit save it saved it to the actual file :)
[11:39] <Seveas> dmgunn, google for captive ntfs
[11:39] <soothsayer> k..
[11:39] <bluefoxicy> damn nice checkpointing.
[11:39] <Seveas> i'd say
[11:39] <ubuntu> Seveas: are there any other comands like -O that get wget to the source in other situations like for zip or iso or exe files
[11:40] <Seveas> ubuntu, -O does not get it to the source
[11:40] <soothsayer> hrm, it asks for root
[11:40] <Seveas> -O means: save as what comes next
[11:40] <ubuntu> ah
[11:40] <delire> ubuntu: you may want to look at lwp-rget
[11:41] <soothsayer> Seveas, is that gd2?
[11:41] <Seveas> the ?download=38 gave you the source of the paste, but that's a feature of the pastebin, not of wet
[11:41] <ubuntu> Seveas: its just in the man it seemed to say it was for text files only but would it work for zips or ISOs too?
[11:41] <Seveas> yes
[11:41] <Seveas> soothsayer, no
[11:42] <Seveas> there is no php4-gd2 apparently
[11:42] <soothsayer> oh :/
[11:42] <Seveas> odd...
[11:42] <dmgunn> how do I get captive on ubuntu? It's not in list
[11:42] <ubuntu> Seveas: so if the source of the paste was too a ISO or zip it would work with -O too?
[11:42] <MAPD> Seveas
[11:42] <soothsayer> yeah.. gd2 is kinda essential for me, rather than gd1
[11:42] <Seveas> ubuntu, yes
[11:42] <MAPD> sorry
[11:42] <Seveas> soothsayer, i'm looking at it, hang on
[11:42] <ubuntu> ah cooooooool
[11:43] <soothsayer> great.. thanks
[11:43] <ubuntu> Seveas: in the man it just looked like it was only for text files
[11:43] <holycow> ubuntu, how the hell did you end up with that nick?
[11:43] <ubuntu> Seveas: chears
[11:43] <Burgundavia> holycow, anybody that joins with the hoary or breezy livecds gets that nick
[11:44] <benplaut> or the default vanilla install...
[11:44] <Burgundavia> no
[11:44] <Burgundavia> the vanilla install will use your login name
[11:44] <holycow> Burgundavia, really?
[11:44] <holycow> aha!
[11:44] <Seveas> Burgundavia, but the default login name is ubuntu :)
[11:44] <benplaut> oh
[11:45] <Burgundavia> Seveas, for the livecd, yes
[11:45] <cs378> b4 i dl the iso, one more thing i need to more, those Ubuntu auto sets dual boot if i have winXP install already
[11:45] <mebaran151> cs378, yeah, did mine
[11:45] <cs378> ok
[11:45] <cs378> thx
[11:45] <cs378> laters guys
[11:46] <Seveas> soothsayer, somehow there are sources, but no .deb file for it
[11:46] <flower> hi@all
[11:46] <soothsayer> weird
[11:46] <benplaut> hello
[11:46] <soothsayer> i have tried: apt-get install php4-gd2
[11:46] <_olaf> well, i got my ubuntu cds in the mail today, my first test, and i must say, i'm impressed
[11:47] <soothsayer> but it says that there is no installation candidate
[11:47] <Andares> Hello.
[11:47] <Seveas> soothsayer, i'm creating a deb now
[11:47] <Spud_> hey does anyone have a sec to help me run and ident program for irc
[11:47] <Andares> How do I enable my second monitor in ubuntu?
[11:47] <soothsayer> perfect, thanks
[11:48] <norhted_> i have a creative 4+1 speakers but the sound is too low(although i maximazed the volume), any guess?
[11:48] <Andares> norhted, I think I can answer this one.
[11:48] <ubuntu> I like the ubuntu fourm #fedora is very tight feeling, friendly here
[11:48] <Andares> Go to a terminal and type alsamixer.
[11:48] <ubuntu> but its ok
[11:48] <norhted_> Andares: :)
[11:49] <funkyHat> lmao, ubuntu with a nick like that
[11:49] <jkka> breezy works fine for the first time for a long time :)
[11:49] <benplaut> OK, i need help (apparently)
[11:49] <Andares> Tell me what it says under Master | Headphones | PCM.
[11:49] <scythe> nothted, do you have the external amp setting on in alsa mixer?
[11:49] <phixion> I have a folder with /bin/ /lib/ and /share/ directories in, how can I copy them over?
[11:49] <norhted_> alsamizer is working nice :)
[11:49] <ubuntu> funkyHat, lol
[11:49] <funkyHat> but i still agree with you
[11:50] <Aron_Figaro> Can anyone give me a hand compiling Wine from source? I'm getting an error.
[11:50] <funkyHat> Aron_Figaro, what is the error>
[11:50] <din> zerboxx,
[11:50] <funkyHat> *?
[11:50] <din> err
[11:50] <hybrid_goth> Aron_Figaro: why from souurce if you dont mind me asking?
[11:50] <norhted_> Andares: thnx :)
[11:50] <vader1102> how do I do a .deb package?
[11:51] <hybrid_goth> vader1102: dpkg -i <deb>
[11:51] <^thehatsrule^> dpkg -i
[11:51] <vader1102> ty
[11:51] <hybrid_goth> make sure you sudo
[11:51] <Andares> * to|m has quit ("Verlassend")
[11:51] <Andares> hybrid_goth, I don't think you need to sudo to do alsamixer.
[11:51] <MartenH> Is there a terminal command to switch between keyboard layouts?
[11:51] <hybrid_goth> Andares: to dpkg -i you do
[11:51] <scythe> but you do need to do a sudo for dpkg
[11:51] <Andares> oh.
[11:51] <hybrid_goth> ;-)
[11:52] <Andares> I thought you were talking about alsamixer, hybrid_goth.
[11:52] <hybrid_goth> nah ;)
[11:52] <Andares> lewl.
[11:52] <vader1102> got it thanx
[11:52] <Andares> I wonder if I could hack bitlbee a bit so that it would recognize and parse HTML tags.
[11:52] <Seveas> soothsayer, still there?
[11:52] <soothsayer> yep :)
[11:52] <benplaut> i'm having some problems upgrading to Firefox 1.06
[11:52] <benplaut> error in #flood
[11:53] <MAPD> thank you everyone
[11:53] <Seveas> soothsayer, http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/~dennis/php4-gd2_4.3.2+rc3-2_i386.deb
[11:54] <MAPD> Seveas are you part of ubuntu development?
[11:54] <Spud_> anyone have a minute im very new to linux?
[11:54] <Seveas> MAPD, no
[11:54] <scythe> what do you need spud?
[11:54] <Spud_> im trying to i guess install wine
[11:54] <Seveas> benplaut, did you perhaps use a backported firefox?
[11:54] <funkyHat> benplaut, uninstall firefox and firefox-gnome-support that you installed from backports, and remove config
[11:54] <Spud_> and its not going very well
[11:54] <funkyHat> Seveas, yes he did
[11:54] <soothsayer> thanks seveas, i'll give it a try
[11:54] <benplaut> you have to remove config?
[11:55] <MAPD> Seveas know members of the development team'
[11:55] <MAPD> i wanted to make a deal with them :p
[11:55] <Seveas> soothsayer, let me know how it works out
[11:55] <delire> Spud_: from memory you have to run 'winesetup'
[11:55] <benplaut> ahh, i see
[11:55] <Seveas> MAPD, like what?
[11:55] <soothsayer> err.. sorry, i'm a linux newb. How do i go about using that file?
[11:55] <delire> Spud_: that is a graphical wizard that will take you through the process.
[11:56] <Spud_> thank you very much
[11:56] <delire> Spud_: probably the fastest way to do this, is from a terminal. just type the word and hit enter.
[11:56] <MAPD> Seveas a school
[11:56] <funkyHat> can anyone fix this:   "error: C compiler cannot create executables"
[11:56] <MAPD> who wanted to use linux
[11:56] <Seveas> soothsayer, sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[11:56] <soothsayer> k
[11:56] <benplaut> funkyHat: still erroring out
[11:57] <Seveas> funkyHat, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[11:57] <Spud_> command not found...i dont even think i got the package correctly
[11:57] <sexcopter8000m> evening, a while ago i changed the driver in xorg.conf to vesa to solve a resolution problem (someone suggested it and it worked). Now i've tried entering the rates for the monitor but can't remember the "normal" graphics driver!
[11:57] <sexcopter8000m> is it "ati"?
[11:57] <sexcopter8000m> for an ati card
[11:57] <sexcopter8000m> or something like flgfx?
[11:57] <delire> Spud_: right ok, can you type 'wine' and hit return?
[11:57] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, if you installed linux-restricted-modules you can use both
[11:57] <delire> Spud_: it may not be installed at at all by the sounds of it.
[11:57] <funkyHat> benplaut, you need to remove the files and apply, and then install the new version, if you're using synaptic
[11:57] <Seveas> fglrx is the binary-only driver from ati
[11:58] <Spud_> yeah i been trying to find it for a bit now
[11:58] <Seveas> ati is the open source driver (with much less performance)
[11:58] <MAPD> Seveas understand a school who wanted to use linux
[11:58] <MAPD> ?*
[11:58] <cyphase> woohoo
[11:58] <cyphase> i see firefox has been upgraded again..
[11:59] <cyphase> no more crashing! :)
[11:59] <sexcopter8000m> hmmm. i certainly didn't knowingly install that. basically out of the box i was stuck in 640 and this vesa driver worked. maybe the step from here would be to try "ati"?
[11:59] <benplaut> funkyHat: as soon as i mark firefox for removal, it marks the others for upgrade
[11:59] <sexcopter8000m> will the "ati" driver have any 3d facility?
[11:59] <funkyHat> benplaut, mark them for removal too
[11:59] <benplaut> oh