[12:01] I can't kill things from the archive once they're there [12:02] infinity: you around? === lamont bets he's sleeping still [12:02] Mez, konversation is up [12:03] ty [12:04] ogra: email sent to maintainers of libnotify [12:04] ogra, I promised the inkscape developers that I would try and get .42 in Breezy, if I had to use my last dying breath, so I have to try. The majority of the inkscape devs use Ubuntu as well === \sh will smoke the last cigarette for yesterday :) [12:04] hughsie, wow, thanks :) [12:05] \sh, to late :p [12:05] <\sh> ogra: i said yesterday ;) [12:05] lol @ ogra's changelog [12:05] its over :) [12:05] * bumped cdbs build-dep back to 0.4.21 to make backports happy [12:05] the "dont ask me again for KDE packages, how can a IRC client [12:05] be 7MB big ?" release [12:06] <\sh> ogra: i heard you and I will work on xorg today to give daniels some rest? ;) [12:06] hehe [12:07] <\sh> spreading rumours...I had to close all private chat windows here because of your firefox sentence ,-) [12:07] ogra: http://www.interplace.com/gif/mrjihad.jpg [12:08] i just wet myself :-) [12:08] heh [12:11] <\sh> ogra: and I thought daniels writes poetry in his changelogs ;) [12:12] :) i try to keep up with him :) [12:12] \sh: you'll have to start spicing up your changelo entries now that they'll be for main :) [12:13] <\sh> ajmitch: no problem...I will learn some new words from JaneW, afrikaans that is ;) [12:13] hehe === \sh is going to bed now...G'night everybody :) And again: thx a lot :) [12:23] good night [12:25] infinity: rock php5! === crimsun [~crimsun@rchp4.rochester.ibm.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] pitti, ogra: I've got to sleep now as I'm working tmw. If either of you two see daniels can you ask him about the dbus thing please. [12:36] Backports announced: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=273253 [12:36] hughsie, sure, i'll do... have a nice night... [12:37] ogra: cool, thanks. See you guys tomorrow. === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] yep, thanks for all the effort, night === hughsie [~hughsie@host86-132-126-70.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Gman_ [~Glynn@amfea-proxy-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] was that to me ogra? [12:39] hmm, wow... It's even updated my xcaht vesion - we didnt backport that again [12:39] Mez, nope, to hughsie [12:39] ah [12:39] :D [12:39] w00t for official backports [12:39] hehe :D [12:40] ogra, can you link this topic in #ubuntu's topic [12:40] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=273253#post273253 [12:40] wait [12:40] I'll tinyurl it [12:41] http://tinyurl.com/8f93v [12:41] just add something regarding backports :D and point to that [12:41] Mez, can you ask Amaranth or crimsun ? i'm about to go to bed [12:41] ah kk [12:41] if they're awake [12:41] (reading backscroll) [12:41] Mez, there are more admins... [12:42] kik [12:42] crimsun, can you di it ? [12:42] sure, sec. [12:42] ty === |rockinnerd| [~chris@adsl-68-255-184-122.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach_ [foobar@td9091b4d.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] <|rockinnerd|> Hello, all. I am trying to do what is described here: http://componentizedlinux.org/Members/ghe_rivero/howtos_for_dummies/howto_dummies_part_1 with a hoary base from archive.ubuntu.com/hoary. do you consider this a good idea to figure out how ubuntu and other debian-based systems work "under the hood"? [12:48] |rockinnerd|, progeny is not a normal linux distro. They are doing wierd and cool things [12:49] <|rockinnerd|> I'm basically doing what they say, but instead of using sid, i'm using hoary [12:49] you may break your distro, so don;t do that on your main box [12:49] <|rockinnerd|> ... and trying to figure out how anaconda works [12:50] <|rockinnerd|> Burgundavia, i'm working in a chroot environment, can i still break it? [12:50] no idea [12:51] <\mbp> |rockinnerd|: less likely, but still possible [12:51] <\mbp> depending on how much experience you have with such things [12:51] <\mbp> s///much less likely [12:51] <|rockinnerd|> Also, here's an idea: How about a Ubuntu Net installer? It can just debootstrap the base system (no x11) from the cd, and then launch Aptitude to allow people to configure exactly what is on their distro [12:52] <|rockinnerd|> thx Burgundavia and \mbp [12:52] |rockinnerd|, I broke my comp with a chroot [12:52] I linked /tmp into it so I could use X [12:52] and managed to wipe it when I logged out of the pbuild! [12:53] <|rockinnerd|> huh. [12:55] <|rockinnerd|> btw does the archive.ubuntu.com/hoary have _all_ of the packages that are available to ubuntu, or just the bare minimum? [12:56] (that's more a #ubuntu question, but archive has the _official_ ones) [12:56] <|rockinnerd|> shit, it's trying to install over my base system [12:56] sabdfl's alarm just went off for the TB meeting [12:57] explains why he's always late ... :o) [12:57] rofl [12:57] he using evo? ;) [12:57] oh right, tuesday [12:57] lol @ Keybuk [12:58] luis_: his strange phone contraption [12:58] ah === lexhider [~lexhider@dip-220-235-87-253.vic.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luis_ is now known as lu|away === jp [caro@200-85-201-211.bk3-dsl.surnet.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@CPE-203-51-237-217.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@CPE-203-51-237-217.qld.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Aegir [~Richard@129.96.218.184] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] daniels: hah, nice changelog on xauth === sabdfl [~mark@sabdfl.silver.supporter.pdpc] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir eyes his freshly burnt Colony 2 CD === Aegir puts a label on it before it gets lost in a pile of un-named CD's. A fate no linux distro deserves [01:25] no CD does [01:25] cept AOL === bskahan [~bskahan@pool-162-84-252-40.ny5030.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:26] ugh, I upgraded today and now gedit won't work with files on mounted SMB shares [01:27] Hmm, interesting effect when the ink doesnt completly dry on the CD when you put it in the drive... === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC008E.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:27] Atleast the ink's dry now... [01:27] BRB... [01:32] lol @ Aegir === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC008E.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jp [~jp@200-126-71-228.bk5-dsl.surnet.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] hi all === pelle_ [~pelle@c80-217-170-176.cm-upc.chello.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC008E.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont -> class === sabdf1 [~mark@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdf1 [~mark@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === astro76 [~james@pcp08471841pcs.elztwn01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [~aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-124-109.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yvonne [~fsck@cn-sdm-cr02-2552.dial.kabelfoon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-224-161-103.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [travis@ip68-224-161-103.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wm_eddie [~wm_eddie@wm-eddie.info] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === AndyFitz [~andy@CPE-203-51-237-217.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyR [~andrew@rogers666.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@CPE-203-51-237-217.qld.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:15] mdz, got another request for you. Sync screem from unstable. The current version (which is the same one in hoary) is very unstable and hangs frequently [02:16] Burgundavia: send email to james@ubuntu.com, CC me, with rationale and subject [sync] _ [02:16] Burgundavia, poke elmo for that :D [02:16] lol [02:16] mdz, cheers, ok [02:16] or not [02:16] lol [02:16] mdz, the inkscape is coming as well [02:16] Burgundavia: likewise for the other one [02:17] Burgundavia: a strong rationale will include "I built and tested it on breezy and it fixes the issues with the current version" [02:17] mdz: im guessing you are too swamped to fix up mythtv? [02:17] ok [02:18] tseng: you would not believe me if I told you [02:19] mdz: :/ [02:19] is dual-head autoconfig a goal for breezy/ [02:19] mdz: i can only imagine. [02:20] mdz: ill see if i can make it go anywhere now that X is only slightly below unusable [02:21] tseng: when I came home from travelling last week my house was full of water from a burst pipe [02:21] oh man. were you in the hurricane area? [02:21] no [02:21] just bad plumbing and bad luck === bddebian [~bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:24] sorry to hear that. === bskahan [~bskahan@pool-70-18-209-188.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] mdz: hm if breezy doesnt stab you in the back, it will get you in the front. mythtv died on X before, now its not a fan of GCC4 === icaro [~icaro@adsl-ull-116-27.44-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:57] tseng: I thought I had already changed it to build with g++-3.4 [02:57] it may be that the packages in my repository are newer than breezy === Aegir [~Richard@129.96.218.184] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:57] mdz: hm didnt look at it super close. but it dies on some scary compiler warnings [02:58] sh is the motu expert on those [02:58] he likes to beat his head against them for hours on end [02:59] perhaps he would like to take over maintainership of them ;-) [02:59] he can take my gcc4 bugs [02:59] heh [02:59] mdz: id take myth if the damn thing would build [02:59] like the miscompilation of i810_drv (seemingly) that occasionally makes your video BIOS execute invalid code, but only on the first VBE run (so you have to reboot all the time to test), and not always [02:59] Is mythtv in main? [02:59] of course not [03:00] I didn't think so, I was just thrown off by -devel I guess.. [03:00] Sheesh [03:00] we can talk about !main here w/o being stoned still :) [03:01] holy shit [03:01] so my panel has been working fine for weeks [03:01] seb closes the bug last night [03:01] 14381 daniels 25 0 135m 37m 9768 R 66.3 3.7 1:20.59 gnome-panel [03:01] holy hell [03:01] thats bigger than beagle [03:02] tseng: Where are you pulling mythtv from to build? [03:02] tseng: my record is 2GB RSS [03:02] bddebian: archive.debian.org [03:02] bddebian: er, .ubuntu [03:02] Ohh [03:02] Just apt-get source? [03:02] yes. === bddebian updates his pbuilder first.. === tritium [~tritium@12-208-96-155.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:06] bloody hell [03:07] I thought hell was hot, not bloody? [03:07] Heya tritium [03:07] hello bddebian, daniels [03:09] tritium: morning === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CarlFK [~CarlK@c-67-163-11-94.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === comadreja [~comadreja@80.224.108.186] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun [~crimsun@rchp4.rochester.ibm.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === |QuaD- [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === netdur [~adel@196.206.92.47] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman_ is now known as GmanAFK === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aeddan [~aeddan@203.39.89.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WebWiz [~john@72-255-32-238.client.stsn.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:38] is there a definition of 'a little less broken' :) [04:40] Uhm < 'completely broken' ? [04:41] I booted a liveCD with the current X packages this afternoon. [04:41] it had some weirdness in driver detection [04:41] oh, and xrdb was missing [04:41] but otherwise, worked fine === GmanAFK is now known as Gman_ [04:42] lu|away, wonderfull thanks [04:43] your mileage may vary :) [04:43] i got a mkfontdir binary yesterday so i could get X working [04:43] but now Breezy has its own mkfontdir right? [04:44] i think the keyboard is still messed with breezy, i hit alt-tab and nothing happens lol [04:47] works for me [04:50] Is xmkmf missing/broken from something? [04:50] missing [04:50] OK, thx [04:52] daniels: Did that get split from xutils in xorg? [04:53] bddebian: it will, yeah [04:53] in the meantime, it just doesn't exist [04:53] OK === camilotelles [~Camilo@201.32.192.121] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Speedy2 [~John@cpe-70-93-199-87.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:10] A quick question -- it seems that oddly libgcj4-dev depends on gcj3.3 instead of gcj4.0 . Is this a bug? === madclicker_ [~icechat5@ip-9.89.126.206.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:27] looking for 2.6.11 installer [05:27] Also, according to this: http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20050701.004404.f6514e25.en.html , eclipse is in the repos, but I can't seem to find it [05:28] There are a few eclipse packages [05:29] bddebian: In which repo? I have universe/multiverse/backports enabled, but I can only seem to find eclipse-nls-sdk [05:30] I don't know for sure but a quick "apt-cache dump |grep eclipse" yeilds several [05:30] This is what I get [05:30] apt-cache dump | grep eclipse [05:30] Package: eclipse-nls-sdk [05:30] Depends: eclipse-platform 2.1.2 [05:30] Package: eclipse-platform === lexhider [~lexhider@dip-220-235-87-253.vic.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:31] Speedy2: Have you done an update recently? [05:31] bddebian: Just a few seconds ago [05:31] Weird. What archive are you using? Just archive.ubuntu.com? [05:32] That's the first one in the sources.list [05:32] I mean, not uk.archive... or us.archive.. ? [05:32] Correct, no country archive specified === crimsun [~crimsun@66-188-220-125.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:34] Speedy2: Strange. I don't know, sorry [05:34] wb crimsun [05:35] danke bddebian [05:36] Speedy2: it's in breezy/universe [05:37] mdz: I'm using Hoary. I assume it wouldn't be a good idea to install from breezy, eh? [05:37] Speedy2: depends entirely on your comfort [05:37] Ooohh, Hoary, duh. === bddebian just blindly uses breezy and doesn'tthink [05:42] mdz: Is the Eclipse in Breezy compiled with gcj ? (how complex is that really?) [05:42] Speedy2: yes it is === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-224-161-103.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:43] Well, I'll give it ago, what the hell! [05:44] morning [05:45] Hello fabbione [05:46] bddebian: I added breezy universe, which other repositories would I need to satisfy eclipse-platform's dependencies? [05:47] Speedy2: You are adding breezy universe to a Hoary install? [05:47] Speedy2: main, multiverse, and restricted [05:47] Amaranth: Thank you [05:47] bddebian: For eclipse. I'll watch what it installs [05:47] Speedy2: I hope you don't like X. === ogra [~ogra@p5089DDCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === susus [~sz@p5089DDCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:48] Amaranth: eclipse-platform requires libs that bork breezy? === doorman [~chatzilla@v92-207-241-134-213.sfld.michix.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_d [~ogra@p5089DDCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:48] Speedy2: I just told you to fully upgrade to breezy and you didn't even notice. I think you should wait. === AndyFitz [~andy@CPE-203-51-237-217.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doorman [~chatzilla@v92-207-241-134-213.sfld.michix.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === AndyFitz [~andy@CPE-203-51-237-217.qld.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === AndyFitz [~andy@CPE-203-51-237-217.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [travis@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@CPE-203-51-237-217.qld.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:11] How can I tell what repo apt is getting a package from ? [06:11] Without installing that is :-) [06:12] apt-cache policy $package [06:12] Thx crimsun [06:12] np [06:28] infinity: you around? === jbailey [~jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === camilotelles is now known as camilotelles_zzz === highvoltage [~Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.160.153] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@gnulinuxer.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Speedy2 [~John@cpe-70-93-199-87.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:34] A program I'm compiling is failing, missing "ansidecl.h" -- what set of headers would that be in? I haven't found it [07:37] what are you compiling? [07:37] that doesn't appear to be in ubunt [07:37] bob2: I'm cross-compiing GCC for an ARM target [07:38] that sounds like something from the gcc source [07:38] It fails with: "ake[1] : *** No rule to make target `../include/ansidecl.h', needed by `regex.o'. Stop." [07:38] you're using toolchain-source? [07:38] bob2: Correct === jasoncohen [~jason@pcp0011382713pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:39] when can i expect a patched mozilla thunderbird package for hoary? It's been nearly two weeks. [07:40] and will it have it's security updates backported- or will the upstream version be packged? [07:40] *packaged === tritium [~tritium@12-208-96-155.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [07:42] jasoncohen, its always security update backported [07:44] except firfox [07:44] which is now 1.0.6 in hoary-sec === jdthood [~jdthood@aglu.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:45] bob2, the latest update is a new package you mean? [07:45] bob2, that's what i expected. any idea what's holding back the thunderbird backport? [07:46] *thunderbird security fix backport from 1.0.5 [07:46] i think the same issues might occur with thunderbird though since 1.0.5 made API changes requiring 1.0.6 to fix extensions [07:46] jsgotangco: no, the latest update is just 1.0.6 [07:47] well, backports has now officially transitioned to ubuntu servers. the package naming changed as well [07:48] quit nice- fast download speeds + the packages are signed === GNULinuxer_ [~ghoseb@gnulinuxer.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:50] bob2: I think I got it -- I had to create a build directory seperate to where gcc4.0 was extracted [07:52] ah, cool and now backports has source === poningru [~poningru@pool-68-238-172-217.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:53] yay for not violating the gpl! === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:08] Morning === vedran [~vedran@195.130.52.250] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:09] 2/win 122 === JaneW [~JaneW@wbs-146-168-164.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [~marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lu|away is now known as lu|sleep === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:40] elmo: can you please install: [08:40] dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: kernel-wedge (>= 2.05ubuntu2) linux-headers-2.6.12-4-amd64-generic linux-headers-2.6.12-4-amd64-k8 linux-headers-2.6.12-4-amd64-k8-smp linux-headers-2.6.12-4-amd64-xeon libxxf86vm-dev [08:41] on concordia breezy chroot [08:41] dooooomed === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@CPE-203-51-237-217.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@CPE-203-51-237-217.qld.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:59] tseng: package ifolder kthx [09:00] argh, I suck === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:01] so I was working on xauth while very tired [09:01] [09:01] and the code had #ifdef SIGALRM all through it [09:01] so I put in autoconf checks to see if SIG{HUP,PIPE,ALRM} were defined [09:01] if so, AC_DEFINE(SIGALRM, 1, [Has SIGALRM] ) [09:01] the upshot of this is that xauth sees the signal numbers for ALRM, HUP and PIPE to be 1 [09:02] and that I didn't need to put those checks in at all [09:02] headdesk [09:04] morning all [09:06] morning pitti [09:09] Hi sivang [09:13] pitti: how are you? [09:14] sivang: very secure :-) [09:14] hehe [09:14] good morning btw :) [09:14] Hey mvo [09:15] hello pitti, thanks for cleaning up after me for vim [09:15] mvo: you created security holes that pitti cleared? :) [09:15] no, just an obsolete patch [09:16] pitti: ah, cleaning obsolete patches is probably always good [09:16] mvo: bad that the build doesn't fail because of that in the first place [09:16] pitti: *nod* [09:19] daniels: what's SIGALRM means? [09:20] sivang: it's the signal that gets sent by alarm(2), for example [09:24] daniels: what use does xauth do with SIGALRMs ? === Treenaks guesses that xauth does a lot more than most people expect [09:40] fabbione: is it legitime for a postinst/postrm to fiddle with /etc/modules? [09:40] fabbione: i. e. add or remove something to/from it? [09:45] pitti: /etc/modules is a config file.. you treat it as any other config file === Valandil [~chrys@dsl-084-056-122-185.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:52] lamont : Ugh, been sick all day and out of it. Sorry. Did you need me? :/ [09:54] fabbione: kismet and wpasupplicant stopped working with -4 kernel [09:55] fabbione : I have a ipw2200 [09:55] comadreja: read the changelog [09:55] it's not a bug [09:55] it's on purpose [09:55] oh, thanks [09:56] either a working stable driver with less features [09:56] or a broken ipw2100 and unstable ipw2200 [09:56] what would you choose? [09:56] :) [09:57] I've got a ipw2200 ... hehe the unstable 2200 :D === Treenaks is with comadreja on that one ;) [09:57] I need wpasupplicant [09:58] it might come back in the next kernel if i get enough people to test the ipw2100 [09:58] in the mean while stable > * [09:59] that's ok, I'll keep -3 meanwhile, no problem === zwnj [~behnam@81.31.160.199] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] which version of ipw2200/ieee80211 was in -3? [10:00] how do I know ? [10:00] I'm running it now [10:00] comadreja: check dmesg output? maybe it tells you? [10:00] (I removed the old one, so I don't have the changelog?) [10:01] Treenaks: check the changelog [10:01] it's all documented there [10:01] i don't write KB of changelogs for nothing [10:01] iirc -3 had 1.0.4 [10:02] 1.0.4 yes [10:04] latest is 1.0.6 === chmj [~chmj@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [~pvanhoof@cvs.maia-scientific.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:07] fabbione: the changelog for -3 is also in -4? [10:08] just below [10:09] a [10:09] ah === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-67-180-162-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === retrix [~sam@ppp232-21.lns3.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vedran [~vedran@secondary.energodata.ba] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-38-197.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob^_ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pronik [~chatzilla@217.7.11.148] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] can anybody help me to workaround xorg bugs? [10:35] pronik: promise more beer to daniels, and they'll be fixed ;) [10:35] daniels is also working on an email to get everybody up and going [10:35] so the best answer is to have patience [10:36] Treenaks: I can promise, but he's too far away I guess === hds-gone is now known as hadess [10:36] But does "Error loading new keyboard description" mean what I think it means - he can't find or parse keyboard definitions? === jdthood [~jdthood@aglu.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:38] I've also lost all terminal colors - both rxvt and xterm complain "can't get colour 'Black', continuing without" === MagnusR [~magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:39] Burgundavia: where will this e-mail get posted to? === carlos [~carlos@243.Red-83-47-24.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] pronik, probably ubuntu-users === Aegir [Richard@d220-238-202-218.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TWD [~chatzilla@APoitiers-103-2-1-52.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:44] Treenaks: tsk! [10:44] :P [10:44] of course.. the changelog is always there for historical reasons [10:44] exactly because of what you are trying to do [10:45] Treenaks: if it is not detailed enough.. let me know [10:45] fabbione: no, I'm stupid, sorry :) [10:46] fabbione: I need to read first, ask questions later :) [10:46] Treenaks: ok thanks.. you took away from me the worst task of making you aware of that :P === fabbione adds a few coolness point to Treenaks === dr88dr88 [~gerrit@h174040.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:51] <\sh> hmm [10:52] <\sh> I think I have to work from the debian version... === bskahan [~bskahan@pool-70-18-209-188.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey_ki [~spacey@87.76.17.34] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:09] <\sh> why is ostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] [11:09] <\sh> banned? === Panzerboy [~NoName@panzerboy.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:10] did you ever meet him? [11:10] \sh, trust me, it is for a good reason [11:10] \sh, because he is _most_ annoying [11:11] <\sh> ogra: k...only wanted to know :) [11:11] \sh, he has been banned from one other channel I follow (#openttd) and they are thinking about it doing it on another (#inkscape) [11:11] \sh, we kept him in -moto as a channelpet ;) === zeedo [~zeedo@www.reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:11] \sh, ... and because i never giveup hope on people :) [11:12] seb128, I swear this totem-video-thumbnailer bug was fixed, but I cannot find the upstream bug report --> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12991 [11:12] <\sh> ogra: u r a good guy :) [11:12] what bug? [11:12] oh, that [11:12] \sh, sometimes i think i'm rather a silly guy... especially in case of HG :) [11:13] - don't thumbnail files constantly if they're changing (Ubuntu: #1573). [11:13] from 2.11.1 change [11:13] <\sh> ogra: believe me...if you'd received my phone call this morning, concerning the funeral of my grandma...u won't think like this anymore [11:15] seb128, thanks [11:20] tseng, around? [11:22] I've closed the bug [11:22] yes [11:23] ogra: dhlobach is like you , not giving up on people :) === Gman_ [~Glynn@amfea-proxy-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:30] evening all === hughsie [~hughsie@host86-132-126-70.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:33] pitti, ogra: ping? [11:33] Hi hughsie [11:34] pitti, hi. [11:34] pitti, I've got the libnotify maintainer to release libnotify tomorrow as 0.0.1 [11:34] is that too late for freeze? === Speedy2 [~John@cpe-70-93-199-87.san.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [11:35] hughsie: what do you need it for? [11:35] hughsie, i dont think so, since seb128 wanted to package it anyway [11:35] well, don't /need/ it per-se, but gnome-power-manager picks it up if it's insalled and looks a whole lot nicer [11:35] pitti: gnome-applets can use it too [11:35] pitti, it shows notification messages from the system tray... [11:36] ograI know, it sounds interesting [11:36] hi hughsie btw :) [11:36] ogra: hi :-) [11:36] did either of you guys speak to daniels? [11:36] pitti: we want it anyway, so not a big deal to upload it and give it a shot === ogra is just struggling to get the hwdb patches into hal again... [11:37] seb128: sure, merely adding a library can't break much [11:37] pitti, famos last words... :-) [11:37] ogra: what is is you guys do to hal-device-manager anyway? [11:38] pitti: oh, and upstream has delayed eggcups to 2.14 for the desktop ... we are free to use it, but not forced. [11:38] hughsie, device manage only has a sall change (a button to run hwdb-client)the worse stuff are the changes to hald it needs :) [11:39] ogra: i guess. it's a bit fedora in places [11:39] hughsie, i have one that could go upstream as soon as i can myke it apply (lsb release data in the computer device) [11:39] ogra: you sure davidz wouldn;t accept upstream patches [11:39] oga: ignore :-) === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@59.95.4.2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:39] hughsie, not all of them.-... [11:40] hughsie, my dmidecode patch is ugly, i wouldt want it upstrema, i only need the data for hwdb... [11:40] I need an ftp that needs login to test a bug, anybody got one that I can test? [11:40] ogra: gotcha. spoken to daniels? [11:40] hughsie, the /proc/cpuinfo and /proc/meminfo patches might clash with your acpi patches, havent tried them yet [11:41] ogra: should be okay... but davidz might not like all the extra nodes [11:41] hughsie, nope, he was already away when i started my day... [11:41] bolocks [11:41] hughsie, i'll try to merge devices in hal... else we'd have two processors in there... === jani [~jani@iv.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:42] ogra: sounds good :-) [11:42] hughsie, since you have the acpi processor data and i have the /proc/cpuinfo data :) [11:42] ogra: post it upstream and see what davidz says === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:43] hughsie, yes, but first they need to apply again ;) its all written for 0.4.7 [11:43] 0.4.7, ouch [11:43] and i have to get them in before 11th [11:44] 0.4.7 is very different to 0.5.3 [11:44] mozilla [11:44] you've the whole linux -> linux2 restructuring [11:44] yes, but i wrote them all as separate files so its mostly only copying them to linux2 and make the matching changes to osspec.c [11:45] ogra: okay, not the end of the world then. [11:45] nope, just eats time *sigh* === camilotelles_zzz is now known as camilotelles [11:46] ogra: could you try to package CVS g-p-m on ubuntu? See what your patches clash with. === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:46] hughsie, arent the g-p-m patches already upstream ? [11:46] (the hal side ) [11:46] ogra: the help file and stuff, yes [11:47] so mine shouldnt clash ... [11:47] ogra: ohh, you mean the events support or the battery.* devices? [11:48] hughsie, nope i mean the processor device you create in hal.... from the /proc/acpi data... i create a processor device too but from /proc/cpuinfo [11:48] that was in 0.5.2 i beleieve [11:48] yes, thats where i'm porting them to [11:49] couldn't your patch just add into acpi.c into the processor_refresh lump? [11:49] what if a system has no acpi support ? will your processor device in hal exist ? [11:49] no. [11:49] so mine have to override this... [11:50] since /proc/cpuinfo will always be there [11:50] yes, but you can still try to search for the node based on capability or something [11:50] you could add if found, create and add if not found [11:50] something like that... === Danten [~danten@h185n5c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:51] daniels: dude, ifolder is like 4 packages [11:51] ifolder is crack [11:51] (but daniels loves crack, we all know this :) ) [11:52] I need daniels to look at dbus 0.35 for me === tseng shudders [11:52] hughsie, he sits in .au .... [11:52] ogra: I know, but he should be using GMT :-) [11:53] hughsie, naah, we all live with UTC here ;) [11:53] ogra: okay, but my g/f idn't going to like it :-) [11:53] hehe [11:54] as long as you convert hr too everything is fine :) [11:54] ogra: I'll let you tell her that. I have to shower and get to work. Catch you guys later [11:54] its just that you loose all your other friends... but you win a wonderful community on IRC ;) [11:54] lol [11:55] hughsie, i'll poke daniels about dbus 0.35 if he's around [11:55] meh [11:59] <\sh> damn...all the merges are loosing the cxx trans stuff [12:00] \sh: they shouldn't if done right [12:00] got an example? [12:00] <\sh> ajmitch: well...if everything works fine, no dropped patches yes.. [12:01] \sh: whoever does the merges has to watch for dropped patches.. [12:02] <\sh> ajmitch: yes :) [12:02] or whoever reviews the prospective MOTUs work ;) [12:02] <\sh> ajmitch: what I'm doing here? ,-) [12:03]