[01:53] <poningru> whos incharge of ubotu ?
[01:53] <rob^> I forget
[01:53] <poningru> cause its locked
[01:53] <rob^> I just made a change to it
[01:53] <poningru> oh
[01:54] <poningru> is it the dualboot?
[01:54] <poningru> anyway it worked thanks
[01:54] <rob^> some people added some inapproprate things to it a while back, they may have some sought of acl on it now I'm not sure
[01:54] <rob^> yeah, I added dualboot for you
[01:54] <HrdwrBoB> sort not sought :)
[01:54] <rob^> yeah, yeah..
[01:55] <rob^> I'm sick with the flu, leave me alone :P
[01:55] <poningru> hehe we forgive you
[02:53] <Burgundavia> rwabel, from what I understand, backports staging can also go away
[02:53] <Burgundavia> backports is now just like universe and multiverse
[02:58] <Burgundavia> what language was this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=diff
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> spanish
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> looks like
[03:22] <Burgundavia> sure it is not portugese?
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> nope
[03:24] <Burgundavia> ok
[03:24] <Burgundavia> well the old revisions are in the wiki
[03:24] <Burgundavia> we can pull out when we find out
[03:24] <Burgundavia> Kassim <-- this is the guy that has been translating pages in place
[03:24] <Burgundavia> please revert if you see him
[03:25] <rob^> ah
[03:25] <rob^> what a pain
[03:25] <Burgundavia> well the copies are stored, so when we figure out what language, it will be trivial to copy them to a new page
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> any way of contacting him etc?
[03:25] <Burgundavia> the work is not lose
[03:25] <Burgundavia> not easily
[03:25] <Burgundavia> mediawiki has a user talk page, and tells you when someone edits it
[03:26] <Burgundavia> moin does not
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> ah, I thought it was missing a few features
[03:26] <Burgundavia> moin is much nicer in terms of thoughput
[03:26] <Burgundavia> it has manage 10x the number of hits as mediawiki
[03:27] <Burgundavia> but mediawiki has some useful features for larger groups of people and communication only on the wiki
[03:28] <Burgundavia> the wiki mark in media is also more sane and has more features
[03:28] <Burgundavia> for better presentation docs
[03:30] <rwabel> burgundavia: thanks for the answer
[03:31] <Burgundavia> rwabel, np
[03:32] <rwabel> burgundavia: the page is in portugese, even though I don't speak that language
[03:33] <Burgundavia> rwabel, would you mind moving his translations from the history of the following pages?
[03:33] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallUbuntuOnLowMemorySystems
[03:33] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:33] <Burgundavia> I have to be somewhere in 30 minutes
[03:33] <rwabel> how do I move history?
[03:33] <Burgundavia> just PortugesePageName is fine now
[03:33] <Burgundavia> just copy paset from the history
[03:34] <rwabel> only english part
[03:35] <Burgundavia> click on getinfo
[03:35] <Burgundavia> and then view the edit by Kassim
[03:35] <Burgundavia> copy that
[03:37] <rwabel> ok I found it
[03:37] <rwabel> and copy where in the RestrictedFormats?
[03:37] <rwabel> it's a complet different subject?!
[03:37] <Burgundavia> is it?
[03:37] <Burgundavia> anyway, I have run
[03:38] <HrdwrBoB> wtf is he doing
[03:38] <Burgundavia> if you get stuck, email the list
[03:38] <HrdwrBoB> why translate things in place
[03:38] <rwabel> I'm now a bit confused where to put that....it's complet different stuff
[03:38] <rob^> when the faq guide was ported into svn, was it done under both licences or just one?
[03:38] <Burgundavia> rob^, gpl, gfdl and cc-by-sa 2.0
[03:38] <Burgundavia> rob^, ours and his
[03:38] <rob^> all three?
[03:39] <rob^> hmm
[03:39] <Burgundavia> it is a deriv of his work, which is gpl
[03:39] <Burgundavia> and thus must be gpl
[03:39] <rob^> yeah
[03:39] <Burgundavia> he agreed to relicense under our licenses
[03:39] <Burgundavia> which makes it tri-licensed
[03:39] <rob^> super..
[03:40] <rwabel> burgundavia: I better don't move the things, I don't wanna mess sth up....
[03:40] <Burgundavia> ok, email the list about it then
[03:40] <rob^> I thought the gpl is a software licence
[03:40] <Burgundavia> rob^, it is a license
[03:40] <rob^> the gfdl is the documentation one
[03:40] <Burgundavia> it can applied ot anything, but it is meant for software
[03:40] <rob^> yeah.
[03:41] <rwabel> burgundavia: email what to whom?
[03:41] <Burgundavia> gfdl and cc-by-ca 2.0 are DFSG-non-fre
[03:41] <Burgundavia> rwabel, email the ubuntu-doc list about those docs
[03:42] <rwabel> burgundavia: sorry, I've no idea about these docs, what should I email..I mean what's the problem or what is not ok..what should be done.
[03:58] <rwabel> night
[08:58] <Burgundavia> rob^, the gpl is also locally on all Ubuntu systems
[08:58] <Burgundavia> /usr/share/licenses or something similar
[08:58] <rob^> yeah
[08:58] <Burgundavia> you can just point them at that
[08:58] <rob^> its only an entity link anyway
[08:58] <rob^> in the doc
[08:59] <rob^> we could just change the entity to point to that instead
[09:04] <jsgotangco> rob^, nice on YelpMain but you'll have to contend with scrollkeeper for that as well editing the toc.xml is quite easy but I think the plan for Breezy would be a separate document
[09:05] <poningru> anyone know why the wiki is subdomained under ubuntu and not ubuntulinux?
[09:05] <jsgotangco> but if you just want to put these documents in Yelp status quo, just adding a yelp chunk on the final xml would work
[09:05] <HrdwrBoB> poningru: it's both
[09:05] <jsgotangco> poningru, its the same thing
[09:05] <rob^> jsgotangco, say again?
[09:06] <rob^> jsgotangco, I was going to suggest it at the meeting as an alternative
[09:06] <rob^> jsgotangco, I'll edit the toc.xml if needed
[09:06] <rob^> or whatever else is needed..
[09:07] <jsgotangco> rob^, coordinate with jdub about it
[09:07] <poningru> ic
[09:07] <jsgotangco> rob^, all entries in yelp are catalogued by sk
[09:07] <jsgotangco> (currently)
[09:08] <jsgotangco> that's why we have a lot of upstream docs in it at the moment
[09:09] <rob^> ok
[09:10] <rob^> are you talking about yelp in Breezy at the moment
[09:10] <jsgotangco> Hoary as well
[09:12] <rob^> the main page in hoary at the moment (as released) is kind of like my idea
[09:12] <rob^> we just need to expand it to cover all our docs
[09:14] <jsgotangco> if the Yelp main page will be status quo, we'll just have to add an sk catalog file so that it'll be part of the front page 
[09:14] <Burgundavia> the current main page is seriously non-functional
[09:15] <Burgundavia> with no search, there is no reasonable way for anyone to find anything
[09:15] <rob^> Burgundavia, yes, it just needs love
[09:15] <Burgundavia> and we can safely say that 95% of the questions will be about 10% of our material
[09:15] <rob^> search should be a yelp thing, not a page thing
[09:15] <jsgotangco> well yes, is an upstream issue either way on the search thing...
[09:15] <Burgundavia> search is unlikely to happen in the breezy timeframe, from what I understand
[09:16] <jsgotangco> that's why the workaround was to have a separate document on the yelp main page
[09:16] <jsgotangco> but if thats not workable, we'll just have to contend with adding sk catalog files again
[09:16] <jsgotangco> and edit toc.xml if needed
[09:16] <insanekane> froud_: are you there ?
[09:17] <Burgundavia> insanekane, you speak portugese or spanish?
[09:17] <insanekane> neither
[09:17] <jsgotangco> we'll probably get colony 3 anytime this week...
[09:17] <insanekane> Burgundavia: last night, my power went out ... thats why i left suddenly
[09:18] <Burgundavia> insanekane, ah, poor man
[09:18] <insanekane> Burgundavia: heavy rains in this area
[09:18] <Burgundavia> ouch
[09:18] <rob^> jsgotangco, where is toc.xml in svn?
[09:19] <jsgotangco> its not part of our svn
[09:19] <rob^> in the distro
[09:19] <rob^> ok
[09:20] <rob^> I got it
[09:20] <jsgotangco>  Meeting time (there is a reason I put this first, please leave it!)
[09:20] <jsgotangco> ?
[09:20] <jsgotangco> its in the agenda
[09:20] <rob^> yeah that was me
[09:20] <jsgotangco> what's the issue?
[09:21] <jsgotangco> we rotate 14 and 22
[09:21] <rob^> 1400z on Thursday is really bad
[09:22] <Burgundavia> it is shit for me as well
[09:22] <rob^> thats midnight my time, and I have to be up at 5am for work
[09:22] <Burgundavia> but it does get me up early
[09:22] <jsgotangco> rob^, its morning for the canucks
[09:22] <Burgundavia> 7am for me
[09:22] <jsgotangco> 22 for me is 6am
[09:22] <rob^> we need to make it like friday instead
[09:22] <rob^> or at some other time
[09:23] <poningru> is this like a meeting or something I had a question about a wiki page
[09:23] <poningru> can I butt in?
[09:23] <Burgundavia> meeting times suck for everybody at different times
[09:24] <Burgundavia> that is why we rotate
[09:24] <jsgotangco> poningru, sure ask away this is just informal talk
[09:24] <rob^> yeah I know they do
[09:24] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[09:24] <poningru> doesnt that look complete?
[09:24] <rob^> but even an hour earlier would be helpful
[09:24] <poningru> can we take that off of the cleanup list
[09:24] <Burgundavia> poningru, yes, but a little too wordy
[09:25] <poningru> ok so you want it sweet and simplified?
[09:25] <jsgotangco> rob^, anything earlier than 14 would be asking too much for the people in NA
[09:25] <poningru> will work on it then
[09:25] <rob^> man world wide meeting times suck
[09:25] <Burgundavia> yes they do
[09:25] <Burgundavia> the technical board has fun
[09:25] <Burgundavia> as mdz is in my timezone
[09:25] <rob^> a lot more members..
[09:25] <poningru> hehe yeah they are not so bad if most of the people are in the same hemisphere
[09:25] <jsgotangco> the next CC meeting would suck as that would be at 4am
[09:26] <Burgundavia> poningru, ideally, it should be do A because of B, then do C
[09:26] <jsgotangco> rob^, problem on our side is that our team is spread across atlantic and pacific :)
[09:27] <Burgundavia> we have active teams members is -7, +1, 0 and whater the aussie/jstongco is
[09:27] <rob^> +10
[09:27] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:27] <jsgotangco> im +8
[09:28] <jsgotangco> so a solution is that we all emigrate somewhere...
[09:28] <rob^> I dunno, but maybe something could be discussed was my objective for it
[09:28] <jsgotangco> rob^, sure we'll put it on discussion on the meeting
[09:28] <insanekane> or perhaps some asynchronous mechanism, such as ... mailing list ? :)
[09:29] <rob^> grr why does yelp not like the yelp .xml files
[09:29] <Burgundavia> it doesn't like malformed xml
[09:29] <rob^> heh yeah
[09:31] <jsgotangco> lol
[09:31] <jsgotangco> did he get banned again
[09:32] <Burgundavia> no
[09:32] <Burgundavia> he is being himself in #inkscape
[09:32] <Burgundavia> he got banned from #openttd
[09:33] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, you mean that you like local help if we don't get a search function?
[09:36] <Burgundavia> poningru, the general rule I follow when I write a doc is after I am finished, look at each sentence and try to reduce the word count
[09:37] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, it can work if we are in that situation...
[09:37] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, which I fear we may be in
[09:37] <Burgundavia> again...
[09:37] <jsgotangco> but then even old Yelp in RHEL had an Index
[09:38] <jsgotangco> i mean search-capable index
[09:38] <Burgundavia> rofl --> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=19585
[09:38] <Burgundavia> windows user downloads a .deb and wonders what to do with it
[09:38] <jsgotangco> great
[09:41] <jsgotangco> hmmm freeciv2 already has an osx binary..
[09:41] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:41] <jsgotangco> how good is open ttd
[09:42] <Burgundavia> the original game plus some cool new features
[09:42] <Burgundavia> they are working on new graphics (they currently need to old copyrighted ones)
[09:42] <jsgotangco> oh you mean the original game is already open?
[09:42] <Burgundavia> they also ship a deb
[09:42] <Burgundavia> no
[09:42] <Burgundavia> the original author of ttd reverse engineered ttd and rewrote it in C
[09:43] <jsgotangco> isnt that sid meier
[09:43] <jsgotangco> ?
[09:43] <rob^> jsgotangco, Burgundavia I just made an update to YelpMain.. bbs
[09:43] <Burgundavia> no
[09:43] <Burgundavia> is Chris Sawyer, of Roller coast tycoon
[09:43] <jsgotangco> oh right...christ sawyer
[09:47] <jsgotangco> what are the other cool oss games out there
[09:47] <Burgundavia> there is a list on the forums, just a sec
[09:48] <jsgotangco> you mean they're already packaged for ubuntu?
[09:48] <Burgundavia> some are
[09:48] <jsgotangco> motu games :D
[09:48] <Burgundavia> barrage is a fun little game
[09:48] <Burgundavia> MOTUGames is mostly my idea
[09:48] <jsgotangco> i would probably enjoy doing MOTUGames
[09:48] <Burgundavia> I am waiting for unfrgivens intro developer docs
[09:49] <Burgundavia> so I can start packaging
[09:49] <Burgundavia> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5153
[09:49] <jsgotangco> is openttd already in upstream?
[09:50] <Burgundavia> no
[09:50] <Burgundavia> put the .debs that openttd themselves make install fine on hoary and breezy
[09:50] <jsgotangco> with sound?
[09:51] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:51] <Burgundavia> yes dmix
[09:51] <jsgotangco> nice
[09:51] <Burgundavia> but dmix appears to have borked on me
[09:52] <jsgotangco> hmm let me try...
[09:53] <jsgotangco> OpenTTD requires the original version of Transport Tycoon Deluxe data files in order to function. Please refer to the readme for more information.
[09:53] <jsgotangco> gyaahhh
[09:53] <Burgundavia> I have them
[09:53] <Burgundavia> you want me to mail them to you?
[09:53] <jsgotangco> how big?
[09:54] <Burgundavia> 5 mb
[09:54] <jsgotangco> gee fire away..its not that much
[09:55] <Burgundavia> sent
[09:56] <poningru> can you mail it to me as well please?
[09:56] <poningru> poningru@gmail.com
[09:56] <jsgotangco> oh its mostly artwork stuff...
[09:57] <Burgundavia> all artwork stuff
[09:57] <Burgundavia> poningru, sent
[09:58] <poningru> thanks dude
[10:07] <rob^> ok back
[10:08] <rob^> my issue with localhelp, even though we don't have a search function, is that it becomes messy
[10:09] <Burgundavia> yes it does
[10:09] <rob^> it has pointers all over the place
[10:09] <Burgundavia> we need to satisfy that 95%/10% divide
[10:09] <rob^> and we already have a list of whats in each doc in the toc
[10:09] <Burgundavia> which we currently do not do
[10:09] <rob^> ie, in the toc of each document
[10:09] <Burgundavia> every click that we require users to make has a "cost"
[10:10] <rob^> and 99.9% of people have read a book
[10:10] <Burgundavia> the higher the cost, the more likely they are to give up
[10:10] <rob^> a toc shouldn't be unfamiliar with them either
[10:10] <Burgundavia> the total "money" that people are usually willing to spend on help is about 1 or 2 clicks
[10:10] <rob^> I think it would cost more click using Localhelp
[10:11] <rob^> particularly if the info they were after isnt where they clicked
[10:11] <Burgundavia> for some yes
[10:11] <Burgundavia> but not for the majority
[10:11] <rob^> YelpMain also makes keeping it up to date much easier
[10:11] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, i got nasty libc6 dependency problems while installing openttd
[10:11] <rob^> LocalHelp is like having a whole new document] 
[10:11] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, oh crap
[10:11] <Burgundavia> they are built against sarge
[10:12] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, hehehe...long debate on this...
[10:12] <jsgotangco> rob^, the current plan is to have a new document on Yelp
[10:12] <Burgundavia> sometimes binary compatiblity is nice, for stable distros
[10:12] <jsgotangco> rob^, it was already discussed before by jdub and mpt
[10:12] <rob^> jsgotangco, yes, but it doesn't need to be so complicated
[10:13] <jsgotangco> rob^, we lack a search function :(
[10:13] <rob^> jsgotangco, but we still have table of contents
[10:13] <Burgundavia> when we get a search function, we can debate this again
[10:13] <rob^> in each doc, automatically updated as we work on it
[10:14] <rob^> a search function would be nice, but we don't have to have it
[10:14] <jsgotangco> all help have search functions
[10:14] <jsgotangco> except yelp at the moment
[10:14] <rob^> something like LocalHelp works for the wiki because there is no other way to show that kind of info
[10:15] <rob^> but not when each link has its own toc
[10:15] <Burgundavia> say I am looking for one of the common 10 things
[10:15] <rob^> faq/quick guide
[10:15] <jsgotangco> rob^, but anything 2 levels deeper will make it tedious and overwhelming for some
[10:16] <Burgundavia> but that requires a click
[10:16] <rob^> most likely you will know what your problem is ie. I want to install a music app
[10:16] <Burgundavia> no
[10:16] <rob^> how can the 10 most asked questions cover that?
[10:16] <Burgundavia> mostly you will no want you want to do
[10:16] <Burgundavia> not how to do it
[10:16] <rob^> jsgotangco, its not
[10:16] <Burgundavia> task-based, not application-based
[10:17] <jsgotangco> rob^, if you notice GNOME is starting to get task-based even
[10:17] <Burgundavia> lmao --> http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=94318
[10:17] <rob^> we shouldn't assume everyone who uses Ubunt is a compleat numbty
[10:17] <rob^> 99% are not
[10:17] <Burgundavia> 99% of the computer users in the world are
[10:17] <rob^> at least 99% can read a toc
[10:18] <Burgundavia> that is the segment we are targeting
[10:18] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, did you get the email of David Ottina?
[10:18] <Burgundavia> but why make it hard
[10:18] <rob^> our documents are books
[10:18] <rob^> they have toc
[10:18] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, David Ottina?>
[10:18] <rob^> we should be using that
[10:18] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, i'll forward
[10:18] <Burgundavia> cheers
[10:18] <rob^> jsgotangco, look at System -> Preferences for example, that list is huge and hard to read
[10:19] <Burgundavia> yes, and the gnome people realize that
[10:19] <Burgundavia> there is a wiki page about a rethink of that stuff
[10:19] <rob^> but thats what LocalHelp is
[10:19] <jsgotangco> that's why gnome is beginning to be task-based
[10:19] <Burgundavia> no it isn't
[10:20] <Burgundavia> we need about 7-10 items on the yelp main page
[10:20] <Burgundavia> they can expand to 7 items each
[10:20] <rob^> Burgundavia, yes, in fact it is
[10:20] <rob^> and that makes it worse
[10:20] <Burgundavia> not if the headings are well designed
[10:20] <Burgundavia> rather than argue about it
[10:20] <Burgundavia> lets just fix LocalHelp
[10:21] <rob^> it takes me at least just six scrolls of the wheel mouse just to view it all
[10:21] <rob^> most people wont read past the first page or two
[10:21] <rob^> and just give up
[10:21] <Burgundavia> rob^, remember that the subsections will be hidden by default
[10:21] <Burgundavia> and only open when they click
[10:21] <jsgotangco> thats why books arent really great for help in the first place
[10:22] <rob^> I'm not arguing, I want to fix LocalHelp, thats why I am speaking up
[10:22] <Burgundavia> also remeber that the text on the wiki is larger
[10:22] <Burgundavia> and the spacing larger
[10:22] <rob^> a little, but its still long
[10:22] <Burgundavia> but most of the subsections will not be open
[10:22] <rob^> and there is still a lot to be added to LocalHelp yet also
[10:23] <Burgundavia> so you wil see 9 items
[10:23] <rob^> my way you would see about 5
[10:23] <rob^> one for each doc
[10:23] <rob^> click on one, there is the toc for that doc
[10:24] <Burgundavia> I think I can safely predict taht most people will simply click ont he faq guide
[10:24] <Burgundavia> and those that don't will get confused
[10:24] <rob^> the faq guide is for quick answers to common questions
[10:24] <rob^> thats its purpose
[10:25] <Burgundavia> then why make the extra click? if we already know what most people are going to ask
[10:25] <rob^> but by your reasoning, we should scrap everything and just have the faq guide
[10:25] <Burgundavia> not really
[10:25] <Burgundavia> I want small bitsized docs
[10:25] <Burgundavia> not huge books
[10:26] <Burgundavia> that are massivelly interlinked
[10:26] <Burgundavia> think a well done wiki
[10:27] <jsgotangco> there's a reason why Burgundavia wants to respec the curret quickguide as well
[10:27] <jsgotangco> if LocalHelp is made possible
[10:28] <jsgotangco> i'll brb
[10:32] <rob^> dam irc client died on me
[10:40] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: open ttd works great in osx though
[10:40] <Burgundavia> ah
[11:07] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, have you sent that email on to me?
[11:12] <jsgotangco> oh right wait sorry about that
[11:12] <mdke> hey all
[11:12] <mdke> rob^, ping?
[11:13] <jsgotangco> hey mdke
[11:13] <rob^> mdke, pong
[11:14] <rob^> whats up?
[11:14] <Burgundavia> salut mdke 
[11:14] <mdke> yo
[11:14] <mdke> rob^, i noticed you changed the links to the faqguide on DocteamProjects, is something wrong with the hosting it has currently?
[11:15] <rob^> the previews arnt working
[11:15] <mdke> in what way?
[11:15] <rob^> ie, click on them, you get an error message
[11:16] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: sent
[11:16] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, cheers
[11:16] <rob^> eg: 
[11:16] <rob^> Routing Error
[11:16] <rob^> Recognition failed for "/~ubuntu-doc/about-ubuntu/C/"
[11:16] <mdke> rob^, i see it, odd.
[11:16] <rob^> I didn't know if anyone was updating them
[11:17] <mdke> yes i have been
[11:17] <rob^> so I have the latest copy of the faq guide on my web host
[11:17] <mdke> ok
[11:17] <rob^> but I can change the link back if you want
[11:17] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, that is major cool stuff
[11:17] <Burgundavia> have to parse it more later
[11:17] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: aye its a mouthful...i have to digest it further
[11:17] <Burgundavia> I need to get to bed
[11:17] <Burgundavia> job search calls tomorrow
[11:17] <jsgotangco> heh good luck!
[11:18] <Burgundavia> and faxing my laptop testing stuff!
[11:18] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: claire sent the wrong fax number
[11:18] <Burgundavia> yes, she emailed me the correct one
[11:18] <jsgotangco> ahh
[11:18] <jsgotangco> i just scanned mine
[11:18] <mdke> rob^, i'll ping tseng to ask why the hosting isn't working. but the docteam linode is working already, we only need a domain name for it and then we can use that.
[11:19] <rob^> mdke, the way I have it is a bit of a fudge (it requires me building then uploading via ftp to my website)
[11:19] <rob^> cool
[11:19] <rob^> feel free to change them to it
[11:19] <mdke> dunno if its worth changing them already to the ip address of the server, or waiting for the domain
[11:20] <rob^> docteam.u.o?
[11:20] <mdke> com
[11:21] <rob^> yeah that one?
[11:21] <rob^> ok
[11:21] <mdke> yes
[11:24] <rob^> is it ok to have a link to the GPL (ie a ulink) or do I need to include it with the faq guide?
[12:05] <jsgotangco> see you guys later
[03:09] <mpt> Can yelp load stuff over http?