[12:01] Burgundavia: but that's the cancel from the login dialog, where you pick your username? [12:01] seb128, yes [12:01] kool infinity :D thatnks for the update [12:01] sladen: the ones official shipped with hoary and the ones I haved tried in breezy (2.6.12) === Amaranth [travis@ip68-224-161-103.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:02] Burgundavia: weird === tritium [~tritium@pal-171-079.itap.purdue.edu] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:03] seb128, I am also having a wierd resize issue with nautilus (new browwer mode). I suspect I may just have a borked nautilus [12:03] mjg59_: martinhj's Acer TravelMate 620 worked with 2.6.11-1-686 from hoary universe, doesn't work with current breezy 2.6.12 kernel, was anything added/changed to try and fix things up? Apparently acpi-events aren't getting passed through [12:03] mdz, Kamion: am I ok to upload a new koffice 1.4.1 i18n package? [12:04] infinity: do you see an evolution-sharp kick in your future? [12:04] sladen: Nothing I can think of off-hand [12:04] Though it's an Acer, so, well... [12:04] Riddell: koffice 1.4.1 is already uploaded? [12:04] mdz: yes [12:05] Riddell: yes [12:05] thanks [12:05] tseng : Will it build this time? :) [12:06] mjg59_: but it works with kernels from the Linus' tree at kernel.org at least === marcin [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Gnome] === hub_ is now known as hubH [12:07] infinity: you know what, let me remove universe from my pbuilder and try that === TheMuso [~luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === davyd [~davyd@cugglephone.madeley.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] Burgundavia: what kind of issue? [12:08] seb128, when I open nautilus, it flashes for about 1 sec to full screen, then down the remembered size [12:08] and i don't have a slow machine [12:09] weird [12:09] I just noticed that today also [12:09] infinity: deps seem resolveable [12:09] also when hitting alt-f2 it does some weird flashing thing [12:10] infinity: by pbuilder wiht only main/restricted. [12:10] whiprush, it is jumping 2 workspaces left [12:10] sladen: / mjg59_: another thing that does not work with the ubuntu kernels besides the kernel events is that the brightness of the screen does not change when I plug/unplug the cable.. it does with other kernels [12:10] tseng : Good to hear, cause I already gave it back. [12:10] seb128, basically, whenever it draws a new window, it is jumping 2 workspaces left [12:11] infinity: /me fanboys [12:11] *hide* [12:11] martinhj: the screen still works with the Ubuntu -686 kernel from universe? [12:11] martinhj: screen brightness changing on AC change? [12:11] whiprush, can you confirm that that is what is happening to you? [12:12] martinhj: Yeah. Could you possibly try the latest 2.6.13-rc kernel? [12:12] sladen: yes, it does [12:12] Burgundavia: were you the beagle + blam exploder dude? [12:12] It should have similar acpi code to ours [12:12] seb128, might this be a keyboard breakage issue? [12:12] tseng, yes [12:12] would be weird [12:12] Burgundavia: please test again in a few hours when evo-sharp builds [12:12] mjg59_: from kernel.org or is it something in the repositories? [12:12] tseng, beagle is currently non-functional on my machine [12:12] martinhj: From kernel.org [12:12] Burgundavia: i qualified "when evo-sharp builds" [12:13] ah, ok [12:13] tseng, cheers [12:13] im assuming that if your blocker [12:13] if not, id still be interested to hear back [12:13] if it isn't, I will file a bug [12:13] cheers, please assign [12:13] mjg59_: wont be doable before monday at least.. I'm going on vacation now.. but when I get home, I will... === sfvt_away [~sfvt@pool-64-222-117-63.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] martinhj: Cool, thanks === infinity scratches his head. [12:18] tseng : Still fails here. === restrex [caro@200-126-82-127.bk6-dsl.surnet.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] infinity: gar === Gman_ [~Glynn@amfea-proxy-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:19] infinity: unresolved build-dep? [12:20] Still no mono-classlib-1.0-1.1.8.2 [12:20] (which was provided by what, again?) [12:21] mono source [12:21] it should just divert to mono-classlib-1.0 [12:21] which makes me wonder why we have it at all, but i didnt make that call [12:21] im sure there is a rational explination [12:22] Right, the virtual package is provided by mono-classlib-1.0. [12:22] Which still doesn't appear to be in main. [12:22] huh === infinity squints. [12:22] but we... seeded it [12:22] days ago [12:23] Yes.. [12:23] kamion : Still around? [12:24] infinity: just [12:25] Kamion : Care to skool me on why seeding something to supported a couple of days ago doesn't (didn't?) magically make it jump to main? :) [12:25] Kamion : mono-classlib-1.0{,-dbg} in this case. [12:25] because promotion to main is not automatic [12:25] it needs an ftpmaster to run teri [12:25] Oh, feh. That makes perfect sense. === moquist [~moquist@client-64-223-163-41.ba-dsg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] it's not on the promotion list though, one sec [12:29] oh, er, cron.sync doesn't seem to have run since 21 July [12:30] at least, not to completion [12:30] # Germinate uses python logging module which clashes with katie's [12:30] export XPYTHONPATH=$PYTHONPATH [12:30] unset PYTHONPATH [12:30] elmo: dude, you called a private module logging? :-) [12:30] anyone running the latest xorg build? [12:31] elmo: I think this is yours to look at, anyway; all I can assume is that cron.sync is set -e'ing out before it gets round to running germinate, but I don't have the cronmail to tell me why [12:31] seb128, whiprush has confirmed the bug [12:34] what bug? [12:34] the wierd jumping workspaces bug [12:34] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12994 [12:35] seb128: heh evince is 100x faster. you rock [12:36] 2 sec to load. Think we just kicked the crap out of acroread === terrex [~terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] tseng: I've not done a lot for this but thanks :) === mako_ [~mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] Burgundavia: i was more bothered by taking several seconds to draw pages as i scroll through [12:37] tseng, yes [12:37] Burgundavia: on a 500 page book === lexhider [~lexhider@dip-220-235-84-142.vic.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] its now very fast. [12:37] cool, go none of those [12:37] Burgundavia: you do alt-F2 and that change workspace? [12:38] some dialogs cause you to show 2 workspaces to the left while drawing the window [12:38] after they are finished drawing, they show you the correct window [12:38] that is what is so baffling === Burgundavia wants istanbul, so I could just make a capture [12:40] works for me (tm) [12:40] well, whiprush has it as well [12:41] and we tested new users, so it is not something user specific [12:41] maybe you lack some updates [12:41] for what? [12:41] or maybe xorg is borked [12:42] dunno [12:42] I have nothing pending to update [12:42] maybe xorg is b0rked [12:42] likely [12:42] daniels, seb128 blames my bug on you [12:43] ez gtk boog === AndyFitz [~andy@CPE-203-51-237-217.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@CPE-203-51-237-217.qld.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:47] seb128, should I file beagle bugs in bugzilla? === looner [~looner@213-140-17-110.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] Burgundavia: ask tseng [12:48] anyone have the xbase-clients 6.8.2-35 package to share? Thanks. [12:50] tseng, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13030 [12:53] seb128: pong === |rockinnerd| [~chris@adsl-65-43-218-145.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] doko: so, what do we need to do to fix firefox? [12:54] doko: totem FTBFS too now ... === looner [~looner@213-140-17-110.fastres.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Sto] [12:55] tseng, sorry, I am an idiot, please excuse me === poningru [~poningru@pool-71-243-228-244.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] hi friends, i've just upgraded from yesterday to today (libx11-6, gnome-control-center,..) and when i login, the splash screen freezes and neither nautilus nor gnome-panel load. So i must to select from GDM "failsafe xterm" and then starts metacity & gnome-panel manually. Also gnomemeeting and gaim don't want to start. [12:58] terrex, that is more a question of #ubuntu [12:59] Burgundavia: ok for the 3rd time now [12:59] good question. the cleanest thing would be to build nss and nspr from it's own source, use these for other packages, build the shared libs from these packages. if firefox needs it's own copy, then it can ship it's own, but should use it's own names for a libnss and libnspr. so first thing: compare the libs (separate source, mozilla, firefox) [12:59] Burgundavia: beagle needs an evolution-sharp update [12:59] Burgundavia: we're working on getting it built [12:59] tseng, yes, I realized yes, after I saw the build logs [12:59] k :) [12:59] tseng, I close the bug with because the reporter was a moron [12:59] oh :/ === jasoncohen [~jason@pcp0011382713pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] Burgundavia: meh its alot to keep up with [01:00] Any backports developers here? [01:00] jasoncohen: you can try Mez, he's pretty helpful [01:00] yeah, i was actually looking for him [01:00] Burgundavia: ok, thanks all anyway. [01:00] but he's not online [01:01] hm I guess not [01:01] seemed like i was just talking to him [01:01] i was wondering when smeg and other packages will be added to the official backports repository [01:01] jasoncohen, mez was in #ubuntu-motu as of an hour ago [01:02] a /whois mez now shows him nowhere [01:03] I don't see an exit message, so he must have silently dropped and not noticed it yet === dr88dr88 [~gerrit@h174040.upc-h.chello.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:04] jasoncohen : When we work out some small snags in the process. [01:06] ok, so more packages will be added when those snags are figured out? 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[02:02] <\sh> or someone who's working on Xorg stuff ,-) [02:03] <\sh> on amd64...it looks like there is a problem with libXss [02:03] <\sh> config.log output from imms: [02:04] <\sh> configure:5680: g++ -o conftest -g -O2 -I/usr/include/taglib -shared -L/usr/X11R6/lib conftest.cc -lX11 -lpcre -lsqlite3 -lz -ltag >&5 [02:04] <\sh> /usr/bin/ld: /tmp/ccMsAUO5.o: relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against `XFlush' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC [02:04] <\sh> /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Bad value [02:04] <\sh> and libX11...forgot to say === macgyver2 [~eric@acs-24-154-44-180.zoominternet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [~bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [~mpt@200-158-154-87.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [~mpt@200-158-154-87.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === macgyver2 [~eric@acs-24-154-44-180.zoominternet.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:35] \sh : Ignore the config.log, it's just telling you to use -fPIC (which the package does, if you look at the build log) [02:35] \sh : The build failure stems from a (very obviously) missing -lX11 in the linker call. === ahuman01 [~ahuman01@141.151.88.241] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:37] <\sh> infinity: you mean directly in the configure script? [02:37] <\sh> nasty [02:37] No, I don't. [02:37] I said it's missing, I didn't say from where, precisely. [02:38] <\sh> infinity: ok...i will check it later today...now I have only *censored* sources on my table [02:48] \sh : If you add 'CXXFLAGS="-fPIC"' before the ./configure call, configure's tests don't blow up, and it finds the libraries it wants. :) [02:49] \sh : So, there you go. Merry Christmas. === TheMuso [~luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:52] \sh : (I'd recommend 'CXXFLAGS="-fPIC $(CFLAGS)" ./configure ...' to make use of the CFLAGS the maintainer set previously and then never used...) [02:53] \sh : Oh, and you might want libxss-dev, if you want "screensaver functionality" in the package, whatever that means. === aeddan [~aeddan@203.39.89.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:08] ./configure CFLAGS=... [03:08] or so everyone tells me === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:08] bob2: other way around === mrd` [~matthew@c-24-1-63-132.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:11] bob2 : Both work, for different reasons. [03:11] hm [03:12] bob2 : My example puts CFLAGS in the environment, which is a variable configure happens to cherry-pick out of said environment, I believe your example has configure interpreting 'FOO=BAR' pairs on the command line as "private environment settings", and it sets those for itself. Which has the exact same effect. [03:13] Is not being able to login to Gnome a known issue for Breezy at the moment (other than my whining earlier)? [03:13] bob2 : Something along those lines, anyway. Either way, my example works fine to fix \sh's problem, and I don't much care if it makes an autotools maintainer or two cry (in fact, I'd prefer if it did..) [03:13] hahaha [03:16] bob2 : I'm not sure how much of the environment configure preserves, but I'd be willing to bed that for anything other than CC, CXX, CFLAGS, CXXFLAGS, and LDFLAGS, you're correct, having it in the shell's environment won't work, but having it in configure's command line will. [03:16] s/bed/bet/ [03:17] (note that my previous comment about wanting to see autotools maintainers cry still stands, however) [03:32] what exactly is Cairo? i was reading the site... is it just a speed/ image improvement for GTK and Icons? [03:33] OddAbe19: it's an API for vector-based drawing that can use different backends for rendering (such as GL and printing) [03:34] OddAbe19: because it's more abstract than using X, there are more opportunities for retargeting and optimisation === Gman_ is now known as GmanAFK === jp [~jp@200-126-71-24.bk5-dsl.surnet.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_d [~ogra@p5089BD70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [~ogra@p5089BD70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:56] er what happened to xutils in breezy? [03:56] there are no binaries in it === calc can no longer start X due to that issue [03:57] calc: whats the error? [03:57] something about sessreg missing [03:57] xutils has no binaries in it at all including sessreg [03:58] also ice complained afterwards about not being able to find transport: tcp === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:00] er xbase-clients has no binaries either [04:00] what the hell happened to xorg === Aegir [Richard@129.96.218.184] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:00] did someone forget to build the binaries when they uploaded it last time [04:02] it went from being around 2MB deb to being a 60KB deb [04:02] calc: xbase-clients isn't supposed to have any [04:02] they were split out [04:02] and added as deps [04:02] check the deps for xbase-clients [04:02] or not... :) [04:03] which binary are you looking for? [04:03] how many deps do you see on yours? [04:03] i see only 10 [04:03] i don't have any easy way to cut paste but if you want i can manually type them [04:03] startx for example is gone [04:03] also sessreg [04:04] maybe i have to manually install all the broken out parts due to someone forgetting to actually add them on dep line? [04:04] xinit <--- starts [04:04] *startx [04:05] I think [04:05] yea xbase-clients definitely doesn't depend on that [04:05] I just use GDM anyways [04:05] gdm won't even work apparently since sessreg isn't installed [04:05] but I'm pinned on a way old version of xbase-clients anyways [04:05] i tried starting x via startx and found out it was missing too [04:06] sessreg isn't in xutils? [04:07] no [04:07] nothing is in xutils [04:07] and xutils only depends on 3 things [04:07] i think daniels forgot to update any of the depends lines [04:07] daniels: wake up? :) [04:08] also note that most xorg things on the mirrors are -43 but those two are -42 for some reason [04:08] i've noticed the mirrors always being out of sync for some strange reason [04:09] are the mirror scripts busted? [04:12] i wonder if the missing binaries are why i can't switch out of X via ctrl-alt-F# as well [04:13] calc: downgrade to -42 [04:13] worked for me [04:13] just rebooted [04:13] and no, the missing binaries are not it [04:14] xbase-client and xutils -42 is the one with the missing binaries [04:14] there is no -43 of them on the mirrors [04:14] err [04:14] I meant downgrade to -41 [04:14] and to switch VTs [04:14] alt+sysrq r [04:14] where are the old -41 packages? [04:14] then alt+f1 [04:15] on my hard drive :p [04:15] if you had -41 ever installed, should be in /var/cache/apt/archives [04:16] heh xinit 1.0 has startx but then doesn't start gnome it just starts 3 xterms, heh [04:16] schweeb: i don't have enough spare space to keep old debs around [04:16] *shrug* [04:16] my archives are only 529MB [04:16] IMO you need to, if you're running breezy [04:17] if you don't have half a gig free, you've got other problems [04:17] i'll just reboot into xp === calc back [04:25] schweeb: Not if you run 'apt-get clean' ever. [04:25] mrd`: hrm? [04:26] apt-get clean empties out /var/cache/apt/archives [04:26] right [04:26] which is silly, if you're running breezy [04:26] a) the pkg manager applet does it for you on a weekly basis iirc [04:27] b) you need old pkgs for when stuff breaks [04:27] Yeah, yeah, this is the first time I ever tried running unstable. [04:30] calc: Also, xbase-clients and xutils aren't out of date, they're just not built from the xorg source package anymore. [04:33] so they don't technically exist anymore? === calc has run debian unstable for ~ 7 years [04:33] switched to ubuntu late last year [04:34] The binaries normally included in those packages are being split out into their own packages. === AndyFitz [~andy@CPE-203-51-237-217.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:35] mrd`: yea but for upgrade reasons there needs to be something that pulls them in somewhere === AndyFitz [~andy@CPE-203-51-237-217.qld.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:35] or at least x-window-system-core needs to depend on them individually [04:35] calc: I know, and I'm sure the Xorg maintainers know that too. [04:37] x-window-system-core currently depends on both of those non-existant packages still === mrd` shrugs [04:39] I just know what daniels has said. === GmanAFK is now known as Gman_ === jasoncohen [~jason@pcp0011382713pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [~anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sjoerd [sjoerd@fire.ipv6.luon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sjoerd [sjoerd@fire.ipv6.luon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax7-159.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont__ [~lamont@15.238.5.126] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-67-180-162-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:24] calc: xutils and xbase-clients are no longer built from xorg [06:27] daniels: sooooo... whens xutils gonna work? ;) [06:28] xutils isn't hugely interesting to me right now; there are more important things [06:28] anything in particular? [06:29] xmkmf [06:29] for this crack smoking package [06:29] that i want to fix, and needs it to build :) [06:29] that's a Hard Problem === Lathiat sigh [06:30] next package [06:31] it'll probably happen next week [06:31] it's just behind 'stuff you need to make your desktop workable' and 'make xorg clean-upgradeable from hoary and clean-installable from scratch' on my TODO is all [06:32] daniels: how are upgrades going to work with those two packages not really existing anymore? [06:33] daniels: yeh no problems [06:33] daniels: you know changing font dpi doesnt work so well right? [06:33] perhaps the reason gnome broke on my system wasn't due to all the missing files from xbase-clients and xutils, but it was complaining about sessreg in the log [06:33] morning [06:34] Lathiat: i can imagine that [06:35] calc: well, eventually xb-c and xutils will become metapackages [06:35] well, good thing i didnt get 1920xsomething @15.4" then :) [06:35] calc: but the seeds will also get updated === pietro_spina [~pietro@pool-68-163-135-77.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:37] daniels : Oh, BTW, was /usr/lib/X11/locale supposed to disappear with the last libx11 upload, cause it very much didn't (just a bunch of spewed messages about the inability to remove non-empty directories, and a bunch of files now owned by no packages..) === jasoncohen [~jason@pcp0011382713pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pietro_spina [~pietro@pool-68-163-135-77.bos.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye"] [06:46] infinity: no, not at all. something about turning symlinks into directories being difficult ... [06:46] does ubuntu have anything similar to Debian's package tracking system which allows you to get up to the minute info on a source package? [06:46] infinity: if all your programs don't bitch and say OMG NO LOCALES WTF when you start, then you have nothing to worry about [06:47] Symlinks to directories have to be handled kinda backwards from directories to symlinks. [06:47] http://packages.qa.debian.org/ is what i was referring to [06:47] daniels : My programs are fine, since I only have breezy in chroots at the moment. :) [06:47] daniels : I'm not retarded. I'm waiting until after feature freeze to start running breezy on my desktop. [06:49] heh === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:52] daniels: did you upload libXcursor recently? === sfvt [~sfvt@pool-64-222-117-63.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:55] fabbione: er, I think to get rid of _XOPEN_SOURCE ... why? [06:56] i think that it did reintroduced temporary the libXcursor.la thingy [06:56] or one of the package hasn't been B-D versioned properly.. [06:56] i did build kdelibs way later than the other arches [06:57] and i got libtool: link: `/usr/lib/libXcursor.la' is not a valid libtool archive [06:57] checking now what is still bringing it [06:57] oh, I removed libXcursor.la [06:57] probably something on sparc still knows about it [06:58] that can only happen if there is a wrong versione B-D or uncatched [06:58] Install kdelibs' build-deps, and rgrep Xcursor.la /usr/lib [06:58] infinity: that's what i am already doing :) [06:59] i think it's going to take me less time to rebootstrap breezy than to fix it [06:59] (Note that tightly versioned build-deps, while handy for the buildds RIGHT NOW, won't make a likc of difference for bootstrappability, because the problem can't "come back" once all the old sources are gone) [06:59] s/likc/lick/ === Diziet [~ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:00] infinity: yes. given that you build everything in the right order and everything is B-D properly [07:00] but if there are leftovers it makes a difference [07:00] You can definitely build everything in the right order now, afaict. [07:00] infinity: not gnome.. [07:01] because gnome apps didn't get versioned B-D love [07:01] only the libs [07:01] It's just building against a slightly older breezy (say, a few weeks) that might not be perfect. I'm not sure if that's worth caring about, but if you find things that should have tighteneed build-deps, let me know. [07:01] and that's not even completely true [07:01] infinity: gtk+2.0 was supposed to have B-D to avoid old binpackges with _XOPEN [07:01] fact is that it did build on sparc and still had XOPEN [07:02] Probably because one or two X libs got missed, those I fixed later. [07:02] libqtmcop.la:dependency_libs=' -L/usr/share/qt3/lib -L/usr/lib /usr/lib/libmcop.la /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.la /usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.la /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.la /usr/lib/libqt-mt.la -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXcursor -lXft -lfreetype -laudio -lXt -lXi -lXrandr /usr/lib/libXcursor.la -lXfixes -lXinerama /usr/lib/libXft.la -lXrender /usr/lib/libfreetype.la -lfontconfig -ldl -lpng -lz -lXext -lX11 -lSM -lICE -lpthread' [07:02] I didn't bother reuploading gtk+, cause it was fine on the release arches. [07:03] so it's libarts carrying it [07:04] Did Riddell not bother to version his build-deps when he reuploaded arts to fix that? :/ [07:06] apparently no [07:06] infinity: do you want to do that or shoud i just reupload? [07:06] the latter will work now... [07:06] but still === Panzerboy [~NoName@panzerboy.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:07] I'm more concerned about scorched earth / autotest, than I am about "can we build against a hypothetical breezy of 3 weeks ago?" test, so if we pass the former, cool. If we don't, then we can tighten things to make sure we do. [07:07] I don't much care about the latter. [07:08] infinity: this stuff is invisible on the buildds [07:08] because they are just too fast [07:08] (not that's bad...) === AndyFitz [~andy@CPE-203-51-237-217.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:09] infinity: didn't you notice that people don't even prebuild the pkgs for testing? [07:09] they just keep uploading until it does build? [07:09] that [07:09] that === fabbione hits the keyboard [07:09] that's just not the way it should be... [07:10] fabbione : Right, but the question is "can the problem come back if we build from scratch?" (and the answer is "no"). We could spend months trying to support "building every package against every possible combination of build-deps that used to be in breezy but aren't anymore". [07:10] And yes, I've noticed that a lot of uploaders don't prebuild. :/ [07:10] infinity: yes, i understand and agree [07:10] Not much I can do about that, except maybe not-for-us someone's pet package until they listen to reason. [07:10] but that makes normal building a pain [07:11] infinity: i am thinking about micro-ubuntu and stuff like that [07:11] if we start building in the wrong order on old machines [07:11] bam.. game is finished even before starting it [07:11] because we might not be in the condition to efford (time wise) a rebuild === infinity looks at Keybuk's apparent activity on -changes, and wonders who's doing merges without updating changelos today. :) [07:17] changelogs, too. [07:18] infinity: sorry, I'm guilty === highvoltage [~Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyR [~andrew@rogers666.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Panzerboy [~NoName@panzerboy.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@CPE-203-51-237-217.qld.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === highvolt1ge [~Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax6-054.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [foobar@td9091b35.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:42] hey [07:42] how's the review day coming on? :) [07:42] hi dholbach [07:43] ajmitch: hey andrew :) [07:49] hey daniel :) [07:50] hey daniel! how's it going? [07:51] not bad, did some merging yesterday and today. How are things with you? [07:51] i'm fine... thanks - just giving my thesis a break for the review day :) [07:51] nice break :) [07:52] yeah... the lists are overfull :) [07:52] indeed === JaneW [~JaneW@wbs-146-168-164.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:04] morning JaneW :) === vedran [~vedran@195.130.52.250] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:07] elmo: please sync discover (v2, universe) from unstable, the ubuntu patch isn't needed anymore (ack from daniels) === lexhider [~lexhider@dip-220-235-84-9.vic.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:08] morning doko [08:09] morning all (and dholbach ;) === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:13] jsgotangco: morning jerome :) [08:13] dholbach: hi! how have you been doing? [08:14] jsgotangco: nicely, thank you - today is review day, so i take a small break from thesis writing :) [08:14] how are you? [08:17] dholbach: well don't puke, but i've been busy learning rails..hehehe..other than that, we have a meeting later at 14utc [08:18] why should i puke? :) [08:20] heh === marilize [~marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:20] dholbach: how is school? [08:24] jsgotangco: i'll run to university later to see, how my last exam went (maybe they have the grade lists already), and now there are 3 weeks left for writing/hacking the rest of my thesis - i'm quite confident, although it will mean some additional night sessions :) === mitsuhiko [~blackbird@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [~JaneW@wbs-146-168-164.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:31] Good morning, world!!! [08:31] hey pitti [08:32] argh, ENETWORK, brb [08:33] hm, I hope I didn't give pitti my bad network karma === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-076-040.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:36] hey pitti! :) [08:36] Hi dholbach, how's your diploma? [08:36] bob2: mvo suffered yesterday as well [08:36] Moin doko [08:37] pitti: in a small break for review day, but going on nicely :) === Unfrgiven [~ankur@202.76.176.94] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:38] good [08:38] pitti: how are you? [08:38] Unfrgiven: morning ankur - long time no see! [08:39] dholbach: fine, after a nice evening with my gf yesterday; now ffox has me back :-) === dholbach comforts pitti [08:39] dholbach: oh, it's not so bad any more, I only have to update the locale packs now; ffox itself works. YAY :-) [08:40] woohoo! [08:40] JaneW: Just read Jaime's reply, that's reassuring. :-) [08:41] pitti: except for the not-yet-discovered bug in the locale system ;) [08:42] yay, Debian uploads are back === pitti pokes Treenaks [08:46] ogra: cool, David seems interested in the lsb patch; is the namespace change any problem for you? [08:51] seb128: gnome-screensaver does not allow locking the screen, because gnome-screensaver-dialog needs suid-root === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax6-121.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:51] maybe there is a plan to get past that? === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo yawns [08:56] morning mvo :) [08:59] hi mvo [09:00] morning dholbach, morning pitti [09:00] pitti: do your X umlauts work again? [09:01] pitti: i installed xkbdutils, xkeyboard-config and xinit and i was fine again :) [09:02] mvo: no, broken as usual [09:02] dholbach: already tried that, no luck [09:03] pitti: what helped me was going through the list of packages with maintainer "daniel stone" in synaptic - maybe you find something else *fingers crossed* [09:05] pitti: have you installed xkeyboard-config with --force-overwrite? [09:05] no [09:06] pitti: does setxkbmap -rules xorg -layout 'de(nodeadkeys)' -model pc105, help? [09:06] pitti: right. xlibs trashed some of xk-c's conffiles, so reinstall the most recent version with --force-overwrite. [09:07] I upgraded to xk-c 0.5-3 [09:08] $ setxkbmap -rules xorg -layout 'de(nodeadkeys)' -model pc105 [09:08] Couldn't interpret _XKB_RULES_NAMES property [09:08] Use defaults: rules - 'xorg' model - 'pc101' layout - 'us' === highvolt1ge [~Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:09] daniels: it even lies; z and y are German, things like . : , ; too [09:09] daniels: but I can't get an at, pipe, backslash, and umlauts === daniels frowns. [09:10]