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| Burgundavia | well, it is good that rob^ is here as well | 04:05 |
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| Burgundavia | we need both viewpoints on LocalHelp | 04:05 |
| === rob^ is on sick leave | ||
| rob^ | otherwise I wouldnt be :) | 04:06 |
| === Burgundavia is on running-out-of-money-ness | ||
| rob^ | I'd be asleep | 04:06 |
| rob^ | 5am starts for work suck! | 04:06 |
| rob^ | its midnight here now | 04:06 |
| mpt | rob^: Are you Robert Stoffers? | 04:06 |
| rob^ | yes | 04:06 |
| === Burgundavia is Corey Burger | ||
| rob^ | my mommy says I'm cool.. | 04:07 |
| Treenaks | Welcome to Ubuntites Anonymous ? | 04:07 |
| Burgundavia | no, doc team meeting | 04:07 |
| Treenaks | ;) | 04:08 |
| rob^ | where is everyone? did they turn the ntp update off on thier boxes? | 04:09 |
| rob^ | :) | 04:09 |
| Burgundavia | no idea | 04:09 |
| Burgundavia | I just pinged mdke | 04:09 |
| Burgundavia | jerome is not online | 04:09 |
| mpt | or maybe the agenda just wasn't that interesting ;-) | 04:09 |
| rob^ | heh | 04:09 |
| rob^ | ah fugde it, my sshed connection to my other box died during a dist-upgrade | 04:11 |
| rob^ | this could be bad :( | 04:11 |
| jjesse | good luck | 04:11 |
| rob^ | hmm I still have a logon localy on that box :) | 04:12 |
| rob^ | bloody power saving crap.. | 04:13 |
| rob^ | hmm | 04:13 |
| rob^ | this meeting is going off! | 04:13 |
| jjesse | we going to get started? | 04:13 |
| Burgundavia | sure | 04:13 |
| rob^ | ya | 04:13 |
| Burgundavia | who is here? | 04:14 |
| mpt | me, sort of | 04:14 |
| === rob^ | ||
| Burgundavia | 1st item -- Meeting times | 04:14 |
| rob^ | yes | 04:14 |
| Burgundavia | rob^, you added this? | 04:15 |
| rob^ | yep | 04:15 |
| Burgundavia | lets us know you issues | 04:15 |
| rob^ | What I wanted to discuss is a better timing for the meeting | 04:15 |
| rob^ | but we really need more members here | 04:15 |
| mpt | This is a bad time for me right now, and a bad time for me next week, it'll be fine after that | 04:15 |
| Burgundavia | is another day better? | 04:15 |
| rob^ | with my work I wont be able to attend any more meetings | 04:15 |
| rob^ | can I suggest Friday? | 04:16 |
| Burgundavia | I have no objection | 04:16 |
| Burgundavia | shall we raise it on the mailing list, due to lack of members here? | 04:16 |
| rob^ | yes good idea | 04:16 |
| Burgundavia | ok, next item | 04:16 |
| Burgundavia | project updates | 04:16 |
| Burgundavia | rob^, you want to lead off on faqguide? | 04:17 |
| rob^ | ok | 04:17 |
| rob^ | the Ubuntu version of the faq guide is really comming along quite well | 04:17 |
| rob^ | there are still a few things we need to fix up, but it will probably be ready for review soon | 04:17 |
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| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, we just started | 04:18 |
| Burgundavia | rob^, you want to repeat what you just said for jsgotangco | 04:18 |
| rob^ | yep | 04:18 |
| rob^ | the Ubuntu version of the faq guide is really comming along quite well | 04:18 |
| rob^ | there are still a few things we need to fix up, but it will probably be ready for review soon | 04:18 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, we are moving the time/day disucssion tot eh mailing list | 04:18 |
| rob^ | as for the KDE profile, there is still a lot of work to be done | 04:18 |
| Burgundavia | sounds good | 04:19 |
| rob^ | I don't know if we will have the KDE profile ready for Breezy, but time will tell I guess | 04:19 |
| jjesse | is there someone working on the KDE profile? | 04:19 |
| rob^ | so yeah | 04:19 |
| rob^ | jjesse, I am a little bit | 04:19 |
| rob^ | but we could really use someone who uses kubuntu | 04:19 |
| Burgundavia | our last writing must be done by Sept 8 | 04:20 |
| Burgundavia | jjesse, you want to talk about the Kubuntu Users Guide? | 04:20 |
| jjesse | its in svn right? i could look into it, i'm behind on kusuerguide though :( | 04:20 |
| Burgundavia | jjesse, yes | 04:20 |
| rob^ | yep | 04:20 |
| jjesse | rob^ i'll work on it | 04:20 |
| rob^ | ok, thanks :) | 04:21 |
| rob^ | the author of KUDOS is allowing us to add stuff from it | 04:21 |
| rob^ | I dont think anything has yet though.. | 04:21 |
| jjesse | alright where is that located in svn rob^ | 04:22 |
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| rob^ | generic/faqguide/C/ | 04:22 |
| rob^ | kudos isnt in there yet though | 04:22 |
| Burgundavia | what is KUDOS again? | 04:22 |
| rob^ | a kubuntu version of ubuntuguide.org | 04:23 |
| jjesse | KUDOS is like ubuntuguide.org | 04:23 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 04:23 |
| Burgundavia | rob^, anything more? | 04:23 |
| rob^ | no, I'm good | 04:23 |
| rob^ | carry on | 04:23 |
| Burgundavia | jjesse, Kubuntu Users Guide? | 04:23 |
| jjesse | coming along good | 04:24 |
| jjesse | i know some of things we are still waiting for some decisions on | 04:24 |
| Burgundavia | decisions from whom? | 04:24 |
| jjesse | like whether or not kynaptic will be used for installing software | 04:24 |
| jjesse | kubuntu-devs | 04:25 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 04:25 |
| rob^ | kynaptic/synaptic is used in the faqguide now | 04:25 |
| jjesse | i know but there is some talk in breezy that willc hange | 04:25 |
| rob^ | oh super.. | 04:25 |
| rob^ | kynaptic only? | 04:25 |
| Burgundavia | or kapture | 04:25 |
| jjesse | yeah knaptytic vs kapture | 04:26 |
| Burgundavia | http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackageManager | 04:26 |
| rob^ | ah | 04:26 |
| jjesse | which is why the install portion is still not done | 04:26 |
| rob^ | well lucky I havent added much from kubuntu then :) | 04:26 |
| Burgundavia | ok, the install is not a major deal | 04:26 |
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| Burgundavia | people use softare far more than they install it | 04:26 |
| jjesse | agreed, but everything else is coming along well | 04:27 |
| mpt | Burgundavia: However, installing software is the thing they report trouble with most often | 04:27 |
| Burgundavia | jjesse, so your writing is currently waiting on kubuntu-developers | 04:27 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, yes | 04:27 |
| rob^ | yes, a couple of meetings ago it was suggested that using gui apps to install things is a good idea | 04:27 |
| mpt | judging by the forums | 04:27 |
| jjesse | just had some family emergencies that have slowed down writing | 04:27 |
| mpt | David Ottina's work | 04:27 |
| jjesse | the seciont that is waiting is part of what froud is writing | 04:27 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 04:28 |
| jjesse | i gotta get my ass in gear to be honest | 04:28 |
| Burgundavia | jjesse, anything else specific to mention before we move on? | 04:28 |
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| jjesse | not that i'm aware of | 04:29 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 04:29 |
| Burgundavia | on to the big topic | 04:29 |
| Burgundavia | Yelp Main page | 04:29 |
| rob^ | you want to go first Burgundavia? | 04:29 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, you want to present your idea quickly? | 04:29 |
| rob^ | or mpt.. | 04:29 |
| mpt | sure | 04:29 |
| mpt | One of the things I identified in http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpfulHelp was that Yelp's front page is pretty bad | 04:30 |
| mpt | In Ubuntu as well as vanilla Gnome | 04:30 |
| mpt | The fix, which will be done upstream, is to default yelp to opening one particular book | 04:30 |
| mpt | For upstream Gnome, this will be the Gnome User's Guide | 04:30 |
| mpt | I have started writing a document I'm calling "Ubuntu Help" | 04:30 |
| mpt | You can get it from the Supermirror, which is the part of Launchpad that will be used for mirroring code branches in the future | 04:31 |
| mpt | http://mirrors.sourcecontrol.net/mpt@myrealbox.com/help--0/ | 04:31 |
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| mpt | It's a Bazaar archive -- Bazaar is the way Ubuntu-related development will be increasingly distributed, starting a few months from now | 04:32 |
| mpt | The only non-forward-compatible thing about it is that it uses the baz version of Bazaar, rather than the (eventual replacement) bzr version | 04:32 |
| mpt | because bzr doesn't support the Supermirror yet. | 04:32 |
| rob^ | when will the docteam change over to it? | 04:33 |
| mpt | Whenever you like | 04:33 |
| mpt | Bazaar is distributed | 04:33 |
| Burgundavia | post breezy would be a good time | 04:33 |
| mpt | So you can make your own branch | 04:33 |
| rob^ | yes agreed | 04:33 |
| mpt | and keep it locally | 04:33 |
| mpt | and mirror it to your own personal archive | 04:33 |
| mpt | then we can merge from each other's branches. | 04:33 |
| mpt | For more information on Bazaar, see http://bazaar.canonical.com/ | 04:33 |
| rob^ | dang, and I only just learnt svn.. | 04:33 |
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| jsgotangc1 | anyone? | 04:34 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangc1, hey | 04:34 |
| jsgotangc1 | my dsl died | 04:34 |
| rob^ | we are at nr 3 | 04:34 |
| jsgotangc1 | im in a freakin' dialup | 04:34 |
| Burgundavia | yelp main page | 04:34 |
| jsgotangc1 | just 3 eh? | 04:34 |
| mpt | Now, the reason I started it from scratch is so that I could avoid using the GFDL | 04:34 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, mind if we take jsgotangc1 project update? | 04:34 |
| jsgotangc1 | no go ahead | 04:34 |
| rob^ | mpt, what licence are you going to use then? | 04:35 |
| jsgotangc1 | my connection is extremely bad at the moment | 04:35 |
| mpt | and we're going to be talking about licenses later in the meeting. | 04:35 |
| rob^ | ok | 04:35 |
| mpt | It's dual-licensed under the GPL and the CC BY-SA, with the special exception that the attribution of the CC BY-SA does not apply. | 04:35 |
| mpt | That way, it can be used by Debian | 04:35 |
| mpt | As far as I can tell, Debian is going to be removing all GFDL-licensed docs for Etch | 04:35 |
| rob^ | hmm the attribution is the best bit :( | 04:35 |
| mpt | and they're not happy about the pure BY-SA either, because of the attribution requirement | 04:36 |
| Burgundavia | anyway, we can discuss licenses later | 04:36 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, what does you page offer over the exisitng page? | 04:36 |
| mpt | So after Breezy I'll give Debian a brand-neutralized version of Ubuntu Help | 04:36 |
| mpt | Well, for the front page it's organized by topic, rather than by document | 04:37 |
| mpt | because people don't know which, if any, document will contain the answer to their question | 04:37 |
| mpt | see http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpfulHelp#head-3c25bdfc7f57ac1ab750b2db298e2b75ed82ed91 for more details about that problem | 04:37 |
| mpt | At the moment, I regret to say, we have a lot of guides of various levels of detail which are duplicating a lot of work | 04:38 |
| mpt | and I'm sorry for starting yet another one :-) | 04:38 |
| mpt | I only did it because of the licensing issue. | 04:38 |
| rob^ | ok, whist I dont disagree with what your doing, the page will have links all over the place. people will get lost in it | 04:38 |
| mpt | The front page has twelve links on it, and I don't intend that number to increase | 04:38 |
| mpt | if anything, it will decrease | 04:38 |
| rob^ | mpt, no, once they click thru they will be in the middle of some doc | 04:38 |
| rob^ | for this to work better we need to rethink how we do our documentation | 04:39 |
| Burgundavia | sort of | 04:40 |
| Burgundavia | mpt's guide would have some writing in it | 04:40 |
| rob^ | exactly | 04:40 |
| Burgundavia | it wouldn't just be links to existing docs | 04:40 |
| rob^ | if we are going to use this, we should pool our efforts into one monolitic doc | 04:40 |
| rob^ | otherwise it will be messy | 04:41 |
| mpt | As soon as yelp gets a search function, it can decrease to about 4~5 | 04:41 |
| mpt | rob^: I'm not sure what you mean by "in the middle of" | 04:41 |
| mpt | The organization of pages into books is an implementation detail that I want to hide as thoroughly as possible | 04:41 |
| mpt | I think I'm done | 04:41 |
| mpt | unless there are any more questions | 04:41 |
| mpt | Yes, if it's just a ToC it won't be much use to Debian :-) | 04:41 |
| mpt | I'm all in favor of merging docs | 04:41 |
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| rob^ | mpt, say someone wanted to burn a cd.. that info could be in the middle of say the userguide | 04:42 |
| Burgundavia | so if we merge the commonprobs, the faq and localhelp into one doc, would that work | 04:42 |
| rob^ | and burning an .iso image could be in the middle of the faq | 04:42 |
| rob^ | its all over the place | 04:42 |
| rob^ | Burgundavia, thats kind of what I'm thinking | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | sorry guys, my internet is acting up at th emoment, its raining so hard here, please continue on | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | i can't really give input that much since im so lagged because of the rains | 04:43 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, np | 04:43 |
| rob^ | Burgundavia, maybe even the quick guide | 04:43 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, I will post the summary and log | 04:43 |
| Burgundavia | rob^, the quick guide is going to be respeced, next item | 04:43 |
| Burgundavia | and thus really isn't a doc anymore | 04:43 |
| mpt | Anyway, I encourage people to get to know bazaar, maybe even send me the URL to their branches :-) | 04:43 |
| rob^ | yes, its redundant | 04:43 |
| Burgundavia | no, the quick guide is becoming a marketing doc | 04:43 |
| rob^ | ok | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | new features! | 04:44 |
| rob^ | that is a good change of focus | 04:44 |
| Burgundavia | that was the original focus | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 04:44 |
| rob^ | yeah, but thats not what it does now.. | 04:44 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 04:44 |
| rob^ | hence respec.. | 04:44 |
| rob^ | ok | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | its alright, all docs are in state of flux at the moment anyway | 04:44 |
| Burgundavia | that was a miscommunication, that happened somewhere in the madness of Mataro | 04:44 |
| rob^ | yeah | 04:45 |
| Burgundavia | shall we agree to merge the faq guide into localhelp? | 04:45 |
| Burgundavia | details to be hashed out as needed? | 04:45 |
| rob^ | how are we going to do this? | 04:45 |
| rob^ | let me look at localhelp first | 04:45 |
| rob^ | I will post to the list about it later | 04:45 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 04:46 |
| mpt | Burgundavia: We can't do that, they're under different licenses | 04:46 |
| mpt | Unless you get permission from every contributor | 04:46 |
| rob^ | hmm | 04:46 |
| rob^ | we could just drop one | 04:46 |
| Burgundavia | the faqguide is already gpl | 04:46 |
| rob^ | yes | 04:46 |
| Burgundavia | rob^, how much of the old faq guide are you keeping? | 04:46 |
| Burgundavia | is it worth just dropping and starting again? | 04:47 |
| rob^ | its been changed heaps | 04:47 |
| rob^ | take a look | 04:47 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 04:47 |
| mpt | In theory, some faqguide contributor might have a violent disagreement with the BY-SA | 04:47 |
| Burgundavia | ok, shall we just drop the faq guide and merge your work into the localhelp stuff? | 04:47 |
| rob^ | Burgundavia, I'll take a look at local help first | 04:48 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 04:48 |
| Burgundavia | the stuff that mpt posted int eh baz archive is the same as is on LocalHelp | 04:48 |
| mpt | rob^: Ah, now I think I understand your earlier question. The answer is, every topic appears on its own page. | 04:48 |
| rob^ | Burgundavia, I would dare say thats what we'll do however | 04:49 |
| rob^ | is localhelp only licenced under gpl? | 04:50 |
| Burgundavia | mpt just through that on | 04:50 |
| Burgundavia | s/thought/threw | 04:50 |
| Burgundavia | he didn't know our licenses | 04:50 |
| mpt | As I said, GPL + BY-SA, with the exception that the attribution restriction of the BY-SA does not apply. | 04:50 |
| mpt | I went with that after talking with Burgundavia about licenses | 04:51 |
| mpt | It's the same as OpenOffice.org uses | 04:51 |
| mpt | http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-community/2005-March/000369.html | 04:51 |
| rob^ | what does taking off BY SA do then.. | 04:51 |
| rob^ | how will it effect the docs? | 04:51 |
| mpt | It doesn't, directly | 04:52 |
| mpt | but it means that Ubuntu Help couldn't be copied and pasted into other BY-SA work | 04:52 |
| mpt | which in turn would make authors of BY-SA works less likely to contribute their changes back. | 04:52 |
| rob^ | from my understanding, the BY-SA just means that they dont have to acknowledge us/ubuntu? | 04:53 |
| jeffsch | http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/ | 04:53 |
| Burgundavia | hey jeffsch | 04:53 |
| mpt | The BY-SA normally *does* mean that they have to attribute the original author | 04:53 |
| Burgundavia | jeffsch, have you missed anything? | 04:54 |
| mpt | but Debian doesn't like that for the same reason they don't like the GFDL | 04:54 |
| jeffsch | nope | 04:54 |
| mpt | Hence, my special exception | 04:54 |
| Burgundavia | jeffsch, ok | 04:54 |
| rob^ | but that sucks quite frankly | 04:54 |
| rob^ | thats our hard work, we should be acknowledged | 04:55 |
| mpt | Well, people who contribute to GPL apps don't have a problem with their attribution possibly being removed | 04:55 |
| mpt | I want something that Ubuntu can share with Debian, and I don't mind my attribution being removed | 04:56 |
| rob^ | as do I, but I dont see why Debian needs to be so hard-assed about it | 04:56 |
| Burgundavia | the GFDL sucks, to be honest | 04:56 |
| mpt | I have no particular love for Debian, but they're the foundation of Ubuntu, and they've got good principles, and they'll be in a hole without GFDL-licensed docs, and something coming from Ubuntu to help them out will make them feel better about Ubuntu. | 04:57 |
| jsgotangco | i don't mind our docs go upstream either | 04:57 |
| mpt | If you're uncomfortable with the idea of your attribution being removed, we have plenty of docs under the GFDL that you can contribute to :-) | 04:58 |
| jsgotangco | Debian Legal would be happy as well | 04:58 |
| rob^ | yeah, well it doesn't look like I have a choice if I want to keep doing what I'm doing | 04:58 |
| rob^ | but then again, it would be good to give something like this back to Debian | 04:59 |
| jjesse | can i ask a silly question? why would our docs go upstream to debian when they are ubuntu specific? | 04:59 |
| jeffsch | rob^: the BY part of the license is the attribution part | 04:59 |
| Burgundavia | jjesse, they don't have to be | 04:59 |
| jjesse | like the FAQ guide | 04:59 |
| jeffsch | rob^: the BY part will still be there | 05:00 |
| Burgundavia | the key part is the docs still remain free, even if our names are not on it | 05:00 |
| jeffsch | http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/ | 05:00 |
| mpt | jjesse: One thing that Bazaar makes easy is that Debian and Ubuntu can maintain their branches independently, merging only the non-brand-specific parts from each other. | 05:00 |
| rob^ | jeffsch, thanks | 05:00 |
| rob^ | jeffsch, now I get it | 05:00 |
| jjesse | ok | 05:00 |
| jsgotangco | jjesse: it means our docs can be easily lifted up | 05:00 |
| rob^ | I'm ok with the BY part still being there | 05:01 |
| rob^ | the SA doesn't bother me so much | 05:01 |
| Burgundavia | shall we post to the list about this? | 05:02 |
| rob^ | Burgundavia, yes good point also | 05:02 |
| Burgundavia | we also should clear a license change mdz or mako | 05:03 |
| rob^ | yep | 05:03 |
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| Burgundavia | mpt, you want to do the emailing on this? | 05:03 |
| Burgundavia | ok then, lets move on | 05:04 |
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| Burgundavia | new quick guide | 05:05 |
| Burgundavia | any objections to it becoming a marketing doc? | 05:05 |
| rob^ | Burgundavia, what do you mean by "marketing doc"? | 05:05 |
| jsgotangco | i don't except that if its a marketing doc, i dont think quickguide is a good title | 05:05 |
| Burgundavia | Basically, use breezy because here are all the cool new features | 05:06 |
| rob^ | ok | 05:06 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.linspire.com/quickstart | 05:06 |
| Burgundavia | see that for an idea | 05:06 |
| rob^ | yeah, ok sounds good :) | 05:06 |
| jjesse | fine w/ me | 05:06 |
| Burgundavia | jeffsch, any thoughts? | 05:07 |
| rob^ | probably needs a name change or something though | 05:07 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 05:07 |
| jeffsch | new features since hoary? | 05:07 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 05:07 |
| jeffsch | or new features like/not like windows? | 05:07 |
| Burgundavia | what sets Ubuntu apart, mostly new features | 05:07 |
| Burgundavia | but maybe cool features that aren't in OS X or windows | 05:08 |
| rob^ | bugger | 05:08 |
| rob^ | netsplit | 05:08 |
| Burgundavia | we only lost mpt | 05:08 |
| jeffsch | Burgundavia: http://www.linspire.com/quickstart is empty | 05:09 |
| Burgundavia | bugger | 05:10 |
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| Burgundavia | it should autostart downloading a pdf | 05:10 |
| jsgotangco | i thought just cool new breezy features | 05:10 |
| rob^ | Burgundavia, I've seen it before | 05:10 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 05:10 |
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| Burgundavia | most of the breezy new features are also not going to be in anything else | 05:11 |
| Burgundavia | but the idea of the respec is good? no objections? | 05:11 |
| jeffsch | no objections from me | 05:11 |
| rob^ | no | 05:12 |
| jsgotangco | none | 05:12 |
| Burgundavia | ok, moving on | 05:12 |
| jsgotangco | im not so sure about Kubuntu though | 05:12 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, you want to give an update on your project | 05:12 |
| jsgotangco | its like 80% done | 05:12 |
| Burgundavia | and jeffsch since you are here as well | 05:12 |
| jsgotangco | hmm project yes....i'm almost done with my StyleGuide contribution | 05:12 |
| jsgotangco | on writing for international audience | 05:13 |
| jsgotangco | as for QuickGuide, yes we'll do the respec | 05:13 |
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| jeffsch | coming slowly. jsgotangco has helped, I still hope to be done by july 31. | 05:13 |
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| jsgotangco | i haven't been doing Kubuntu stuff slowly though | 05:13 |
| jeffsch | may be wishful thinking though | 05:13 |
| Burgundavia | rob^, I was jumping back to get them | 05:13 |
| rob^ | ah cool | 05:13 |
| rob^ | bit lost then for a sec | 05:13 |
| Burgundavia | jeffsch, jsgotangco anything else? | 05:14 |
| jsgotangco | well i'm going to make a launchpad team for us | 05:14 |
| jsgotangco | Ubuntu Documentation Project | 05:14 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 05:14 |
| jeffsch | nope. move along :) | 05:14 |
| Burgundavia | do we need to discuss licenses further? | 05:14 |
| rob^ | well, one thing I might add | 05:14 |
| jsgotangco | we need a working X to do work really | 05:14 |
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| Burgundavia | rob^, shoot | 05:15 |
| rob^ | the faq as mentioned already is GPL as it was derived from ubuntuguide.org | 05:15 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 05:15 |
| rob^ | I have it as tri-licenced atm | 05:15 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 05:15 |
| rob^ | but I'm not too sure about that | 05:15 |
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| jeffsch | i thought the author gave permission for gfdl and cc-by-sa | 05:16 |
| Burgundavia | he did | 05:16 |
| rob^ | jeffsch, yes | 05:16 |
| Burgundavia | but it is already gpl | 05:16 |
| jeffsch | ok, so the version in svn is only two licenses | 05:16 |
| rob^ | no, three | 05:17 |
| Burgundavia | we never added the gpl to it | 05:17 |
| rob^ | it was gpl anyway | 05:17 |
| Burgundavia | until now | 05:17 |
| rob^ | its stated at the top of ubuntuguide.org | 05:17 |
| jeffsch | but our faqguide is only 2 licenses, we dropped gpl with permission | 05:18 |
| rob^ | ok | 05:18 |
| jeffsch | ubuntuguide.org is still gpl | 05:18 |
| jeffsch | the docs are different now | 05:18 |
| Burgundavia | but our doc is a clear deriv of the ubuntuguide.org one | 05:18 |
| rob^ | yes, pretty much all the differences are mine and matts work | 05:18 |
| rob^ | the way I see it is that if we still want to use gpl we can, as that is the orignal licence.. | 05:19 |
| rob^ | but how does everyone see it? | 05:20 |
| Burgundavia | rob^, you want to ping mako on that one? | 05:20 |
| rob^ | ok | 05:21 |
| rob^ | after the meeting | 05:21 |
| Burgundavia | ya | 05:21 |
| Burgundavia | anything else on licensing> | 05:21 |
| Burgundavia | ? | 05:21 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 05:21 |
| Burgundavia | our linode server | 05:21 |
| rob^ | no | 05:21 |
| jeffsch | i kinda like PD, the ultimate in free | 05:22 |
| Burgundavia | shall we defer till next meeting | 05:22 |
| Burgundavia | so mdke can present it? | 05:22 |
| Burgundavia | unless anybody else has ideas | 05:22 |
| jsgotangco | he's in his barrister ceremoney | 05:22 |
| jsgotangco | his officially a lawyer today | 05:22 |
| Burgundavia | lucky man | 05:22 |
| jsgotangco | i guess we can start an Ubuntu Legal team | 05:23 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 05:23 |
| rob^ | heh | 05:23 |
| Burgundavia | ok, any further items for this meeting? | 05:23 |
| rob^ | nup | 05:23 |
| jsgotangco | ok just a quickie, i'll do a team for us in launchpad and announce it later | 05:23 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 05:23 |
| jsgotangco | motu has one why don't we | 05:23 |
| Burgundavia | we already have a wiki team to | 05:24 |
| jsgotangco | yeah that's why... | 05:24 |
| jsgotangco | other than that, let's wait for our laptops :) | 05:24 |
| Burgundavia | ok then, I declare this meeting finished | 05:24 |
| Burgundavia | I will have a summary on the list soonish | 05:24 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: thanks for filling up, i was at the wrong place at the wrong time..my dsl is still dead.. | 05:25 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, np | 05:25 |
| jsgotangco | ok next meeting should be 2 weeks from now, 22UTC | 05:25 |
| jsgotangco | unless you've talked about the time issue | 05:25 |
| rob^ | maybe | 05:25 |
| rob^ | I'm going to email the list about it | 05:26 |
| jsgotangco | sure | 05:26 |
| rob^ | not enough memebers here to discuss it | 05:26 |
| jsgotangco | but remember we're spanning across 2 oceans | 05:26 |
| rob^ | yea I know! | 05:26 |
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| jsgotangco | 14UTC is like 7am in some areas in NA | 05:26 |
| Burgundavia | don't remind me | 05:27 |
| Burgundavia | sleep, whats sleep? | 05:27 |
| rob^ | jsgotangco, its midnight here | 05:27 |
| jsgotangco | heck i've had it worse on 20utc meetings | 05:28 |
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| jsgotangco | :) | 05:28 |
| rob^ | jsgotangco, I think the day needs to change | 05:28 |
| rob^ | to like Friday or something | 05:28 |
| jeffsch | Burgundavia: in winter, 14UTC will be 6am here! | 05:28 |
| jsgotangco | rob^: sure, as long as it doesn't overlap with CC and TB meetings | 05:28 |
| rob^ | yeah | 05:28 |
| jsgotangco | remember 22UTC for us is actually the next day | 05:28 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 05:29 |
| Burgundavia | jeffsch, where do you live? | 05:29 |
| jeffsch | vancouver | 05:29 |
| Burgundavia | that is crazy | 05:29 |
| rob^ | 22z is 8am here | 05:29 |
| Burgundavia | anyway, we should get out of -meeting | 05:29 |
| Burgundavia | back to -doc all of you | 05:29 |
| rob^ | the next day also | 05:29 |
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| mpt | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs doesn't work | 06:04 |
| fabbione | what do you mean it doesn't work? | 06:05 |
| fabbione | be specific | 06:06 |
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| mpt | sorry | 06:16 |
| mpt | fabbione: "The document contains no data." | 06:16 |
| fabbione | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 06:16 |
| fabbione | works here | 06:16 |
| fabbione | check your browser | 06:16 |
| mpt | the latter works | 06:17 |
| mpt | thanks | 06:17 |
| mpt | ... before it crashes Epiphany | 06:17 |
| mpt | yay for Crash Recovery :-) | 06:17 |
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| fabbione | hppa: 71.91 % | 07:38 |
| fabbione | sparc: 75.17 % | 07:38 |
| === fabbione still leads the race | ||
| fabbione | you also have less pkgs to build.... | 07:39 |
| fabbione | ia64: 89.25 % | 07:39 |
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| highvoltage | hilaire: do you use squeak? | 10:13 |
| highvoltage | sorry, wrong window | 10:13 |
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