[04:05] <Burgundavia> well, it is good that rob^ is here as well
[04:05] <Burgundavia> we need both viewpoints on LocalHelp
[04:06] <rob^> otherwise I wouldnt be :)
[04:06] <rob^> I'd be asleep 
[04:06] <rob^> 5am starts for work suck!
[04:06] <rob^> its midnight here now
[04:06] <mpt> rob^: Are you Robert Stoffers?
[04:06] <rob^> yes
[04:07] <rob^> my mommy says I'm cool..
[04:07] <Treenaks> Welcome to Ubuntites Anonymous ?
[04:07] <Burgundavia> no, doc team meeting
[04:08] <Treenaks> ;)
[04:09] <rob^> where is everyone? did they turn the ntp update off on thier boxes?
[04:09] <rob^> :)
[04:09] <Burgundavia> no idea
[04:09] <Burgundavia> I just pinged mdke
[04:09] <Burgundavia> jerome is not online
[04:09] <mpt> or maybe the agenda just wasn't that interesting ;-)
[04:09] <rob^> heh
[04:11] <rob^> ah fugde it, my sshed connection to my other box died during a dist-upgrade
[04:11] <rob^> this could be bad :(
[04:11] <jjesse> good luck
[04:12] <rob^> hmm I still have a logon localy on that box :)
[04:13] <rob^> bloody power saving crap..
[04:13] <rob^> hmm
[04:13] <rob^> this meeting is going off!
[04:13] <jjesse> we going to get started?
[04:13] <Burgundavia> sure
[04:13] <rob^> ya
[04:14] <Burgundavia> who is here?
[04:14] <mpt> me, sort of
[04:14] <Burgundavia> 1st item -- Meeting times
[04:14] <rob^> yes
[04:15] <Burgundavia> rob^, you added this?
[04:15] <rob^> yep
[04:15] <Burgundavia> lets us know you issues
[04:15] <rob^> What I wanted to discuss is a better timing for the meeting
[04:15] <rob^> but we really need more members here
[04:15] <mpt> This is a bad time for me right now, and a bad time for me next week, it'll be fine after that
[04:15] <Burgundavia> is another day better?
[04:15] <rob^> with my work I wont be able to attend any more meetings
[04:16] <rob^> can I suggest Friday?
[04:16] <Burgundavia> I have no objection
[04:16] <Burgundavia> shall we raise it on the mailing list, due to lack of members here?
[04:16] <rob^> yes good idea
[04:16] <Burgundavia> ok, next item
[04:16] <Burgundavia> project updates
[04:17] <Burgundavia> rob^, you want to lead off on faqguide?
[04:17] <rob^> ok
[04:17] <rob^> the Ubuntu version of the faq guide is really comming along quite well
[04:17] <rob^> there are still a few things we need to fix up, but it will probably be ready for review soon
[04:18] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, we just started
[04:18] <Burgundavia> rob^, you want to repeat what you just said for jsgotangco 
[04:18] <rob^> yep
[04:18] <rob^> the Ubuntu version of the faq guide is really comming along quite well
[04:18] <rob^> there are still a few things we need to fix up, but it will probably be ready for review soon
[04:18] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, we are moving the time/day disucssion tot eh mailing list
[04:18] <rob^> as for the KDE profile, there is still a lot of work to be done
[04:19] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[04:19] <rob^> I don't know if we will have the KDE profile ready for Breezy, but time will tell I guess
[04:19] <jjesse> is there someone working on the KDE profile?
[04:19] <rob^> so yeah
[04:19] <rob^> jjesse, I am a little bit
[04:19] <rob^> but we could really use someone who uses kubuntu
[04:20] <Burgundavia> our last writing must be done by Sept 8
[04:20] <Burgundavia> jjesse, you want to talk about the Kubuntu Users Guide?
[04:20] <jjesse> its in svn right? i could look into it, i'm behind on kusuerguide though :(
[04:20] <Burgundavia> jjesse, yes
[04:20] <rob^> yep
[04:20] <jjesse> rob^ i'll work on it
[04:21] <rob^> ok, thanks :)
[04:21] <rob^> the author of KUDOS is allowing us to add stuff from it
[04:21] <rob^> I dont think anything has yet though..
[04:22] <jjesse> alright where is that located in svn rob^
[04:22] <rob^> generic/faqguide/C/
[04:22] <rob^> kudos isnt in there yet though
[04:22] <Burgundavia> what is KUDOS again?
[04:23] <rob^> a kubuntu version of ubuntuguide.org
[04:23] <jjesse> KUDOS is like ubuntuguide.org 
[04:23] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:23] <Burgundavia> rob^, anything more?
[04:23] <rob^> no, I'm good
[04:23] <rob^> carry on
[04:23] <Burgundavia> jjesse, Kubuntu Users Guide?
[04:24] <jjesse> coming along good
[04:24] <jjesse> i know some of things we are still waiting for some decisions on
[04:24] <Burgundavia> decisions from whom?
[04:24] <jjesse> like whether or not kynaptic will be used for installing software
[04:25] <jjesse> kubuntu-devs
[04:25] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:25] <rob^> kynaptic/synaptic is used in the faqguide now
[04:25] <jjesse> i know but there is some talk in breezy that willc hange
[04:25] <rob^> oh super..
[04:25] <rob^> kynaptic only?
[04:25] <Burgundavia> or kapture
[04:26] <jjesse> yeah knaptytic vs kapture
[04:26] <Burgundavia> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackageManager
[04:26] <rob^> ah
[04:26] <jjesse> which is why the install portion is still not done
[04:26] <rob^> well lucky I havent added much from kubuntu then :)
[04:26] <Burgundavia> ok, the install is not a major deal
[04:26] <Burgundavia> people use softare far more than they install it
[04:27] <jjesse> agreed, but everything else is coming along well
[04:27] <mpt> Burgundavia: However, installing software is the thing they report trouble with most often
[04:27] <Burgundavia> jjesse, so your writing is currently waiting on kubuntu-developers
[04:27] <Burgundavia> mpt, yes
[04:27] <rob^> yes, a couple of meetings ago it was suggested that using gui apps to install things is a good idea
[04:27] <mpt> judging by the forums
[04:27] <jjesse> just had some family emergencies that have slowed down writing
[04:27] <mpt> David Ottina's work
[04:27] <jjesse> the seciont that is waiting is part of what froud is writing
[04:28] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:28] <jjesse> i gotta get my ass in gear to be honest
[04:28] <Burgundavia> jjesse, anything else specific to mention before we move on?
[04:29] <jjesse> not that i'm aware of
[04:29] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:29] <Burgundavia> on to the big topic
[04:29] <Burgundavia> Yelp Main page
[04:29] <rob^> you want to go first Burgundavia?
[04:29] <Burgundavia> mpt, you want to present your idea quickly?
[04:29] <rob^> or mpt..
[04:29] <mpt> sure
[04:30] <mpt> One of the things I identified in http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpfulHelp was that Yelp's front page is pretty bad
[04:30] <mpt> In Ubuntu as well as vanilla Gnome
[04:30] <mpt> The fix, which will be done upstream, is to default yelp to opening one particular book
[04:30] <mpt> For upstream Gnome, this will be the Gnome User's Guide
[04:30] <mpt> I have started writing a document I'm calling "Ubuntu Help"
[04:31] <mpt> You can get it from the Supermirror, which is the part of Launchpad that will be used for mirroring code branches in the future
[04:31] <mpt> http://mirrors.sourcecontrol.net/mpt@myrealbox.com/help--0/
[04:32] <mpt> It's a Bazaar archive -- Bazaar is the way Ubuntu-related development will be increasingly distributed, starting a few months from now
[04:32] <mpt> The only non-forward-compatible thing about it is that it uses the baz version of Bazaar, rather than the (eventual replacement) bzr version
[04:32] <mpt> because bzr doesn't support the Supermirror yet.
[04:33] <rob^> when will the docteam change over to it?
[04:33] <mpt> Whenever you like
[04:33] <mpt> Bazaar is distributed
[04:33] <Burgundavia> post breezy would be a good time
[04:33] <mpt> So you can make your own branch
[04:33] <rob^> yes agreed
[04:33] <mpt> and keep it locally
[04:33] <mpt> and mirror it to your own personal archive
[04:33] <mpt> then we can merge from each other's branches.
[04:33] <mpt> For more information on Bazaar, see http://bazaar.canonical.com/
[04:33] <rob^> dang, and I only just learnt svn..
[04:34] <jsgotangc1> anyone?
[04:34] <Burgundavia> jsgotangc1, hey
[04:34] <jsgotangc1> my dsl died
[04:34] <rob^> we are at nr 3
[04:34] <jsgotangc1> im in a freakin' dialup
[04:34] <Burgundavia> yelp main page
[04:34] <jsgotangc1> just 3 eh?
[04:34] <mpt> Now, the reason I started it from scratch is so that I could avoid using the GFDL
[04:34] <Burgundavia> mpt, mind if we take jsgotangc1 project update?
[04:34] <jsgotangc1> no go ahead
[04:35] <rob^> mpt, what licence are you going to use then?
[04:35] <jsgotangc1> my connection is extremely bad at the moment
[04:35] <mpt> and we're going to be talking about licenses later in the meeting.
[04:35] <rob^> ok
[04:35] <mpt> It's dual-licensed under the GPL and the CC BY-SA, with the special exception that the attribution of the CC BY-SA does not apply.
[04:35] <mpt> That way, it can be used by Debian
[04:35] <mpt> As far as I can tell, Debian is going to be removing all GFDL-licensed docs for Etch
[04:35] <rob^> hmm the attribution is the best bit :(
[04:36] <mpt> and they're not happy about the pure BY-SA either, because of the attribution requirement
[04:36] <Burgundavia> anyway, we can discuss licenses later
[04:36] <Burgundavia> mpt, what does you page offer over the exisitng page?
[04:36] <mpt> So after Breezy I'll give Debian a brand-neutralized version of Ubuntu Help
[04:37] <mpt> Well, for the front page it's organized by topic, rather than by document
[04:37] <mpt> because people don't know which, if any, document will contain the answer to their question
[04:37] <mpt> see http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpfulHelp#head-3c25bdfc7f57ac1ab750b2db298e2b75ed82ed91 for more details about that problem
[04:38] <mpt> At the moment, I regret to say, we have a lot of guides of various levels of detail which are duplicating a lot of work
[04:38] <mpt> and I'm sorry for starting yet another one :-)
[04:38] <mpt> I only did it because of the licensing issue.
[04:38] <rob^> ok, whist I dont disagree with what your doing, the page will have links all over the place. people will get lost in it
[04:38] <mpt> The front page has twelve links on it, and I don't intend that number to increase
[04:38] <mpt> if anything, it will decrease
[04:38] <rob^> mpt, no, once they click thru they will be in the middle of some doc
[04:39] <rob^> for this to work better we need to rethink how we do our documentation
[04:40] <Burgundavia> sort of
[04:40] <Burgundavia> mpt's guide would have some writing in it
[04:40] <rob^> exactly
[04:40] <Burgundavia> it wouldn't just be links to existing docs
[04:40] <rob^> if we are going to use this, we should pool our efforts into one monolitic doc
[04:41] <rob^> otherwise it will be messy
[04:41] <mpt> As soon as yelp gets a search function, it can decrease to about 4~5
[04:41] <mpt> rob^: I'm not sure what you mean by "in the middle of"
[04:41] <mpt> The organization of pages into books is an implementation detail that I want to hide as thoroughly as possible
[04:41] <mpt> I think I'm done
[04:41] <mpt> unless there are any more questions
[04:41] <mpt> Yes, if it's just a ToC it won't be much use to Debian :-)
[04:41] <mpt> I'm all in favor of merging docs
[04:42] <rob^> mpt, say someone wanted to burn a cd.. that info could be in the middle of say the userguide
[04:42] <Burgundavia> so if we merge the commonprobs, the faq and localhelp into one doc, would that work
[04:42] <rob^> and burning an .iso image could be in the middle of the faq
[04:42] <rob^> its all over the place
[04:42] <rob^> Burgundavia, thats kind of what I'm thinking
[04:42] <jsgotangco> sorry guys, my internet is acting up at th emoment, its raining so hard here, please continue on
[04:43] <jsgotangco> i can't really give input that much since im so lagged because of the rains
[04:43] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, np
[04:43] <rob^> Burgundavia, maybe even the quick guide
[04:43] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, I will post the summary and log
[04:43] <Burgundavia> rob^, the quick guide is going to be respeced, next item
[04:43] <Burgundavia> and thus really isn't a doc anymore
[04:43] <mpt> Anyway, I encourage people to get to know bazaar, maybe even send me the URL to their branches :-)
[04:43] <rob^> yes, its redundant
[04:43] <Burgundavia> no, the quick guide is becoming a marketing doc
[04:44] <rob^> ok
[04:44] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:44] <jsgotangco> new features!
[04:44] <rob^> that is a good change of focus
[04:44] <Burgundavia> that was the original focus
[04:44] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:44] <rob^> yeah, but thats not what it does now..
[04:44] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:44] <rob^> hence respec..
[04:44] <rob^> ok
[04:44] <jsgotangco> its alright, all docs are in state of flux at the moment anyway
[04:44] <Burgundavia> that was a miscommunication, that happened somewhere in the madness of Mataro
[04:45] <rob^> yeah
[04:45] <Burgundavia> shall we agree to merge the faq guide into localhelp?
[04:45] <Burgundavia> details to be hashed out as needed?
[04:45] <rob^> how are we going to do this?
[04:45] <rob^> let me look at localhelp first
[04:45] <rob^> I will post to the list about it later
[04:46] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:46] <mpt> Burgundavia: We can't do that, they're under different licenses
[04:46] <mpt> Unless you get permission from every contributor
[04:46] <rob^> hmm
[04:46] <rob^> we could just drop one
[04:46] <Burgundavia> the faqguide is already gpl
[04:46] <rob^> yes
[04:46] <Burgundavia> rob^, how much of the old faq guide are you keeping?
[04:47] <Burgundavia> is it worth just dropping and starting again?
[04:47] <rob^> its been changed heaps
[04:47] <rob^> take a look
[04:47] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:47] <mpt> In theory, some faqguide contributor might have a violent disagreement with the BY-SA
[04:47] <Burgundavia> ok, shall we just drop the faq guide and merge your work into the localhelp stuff?
[04:48] <rob^> Burgundavia, I'll take a look at local help first
[04:48] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:48] <Burgundavia> the stuff that mpt posted int eh baz archive is the same as is on LocalHelp
[04:48] <mpt> rob^: Ah, now I think I understand your earlier question. The answer is, every topic appears on its own page.
[04:49] <rob^> Burgundavia, I would dare say thats what we'll do however
[04:50] <rob^> is localhelp only licenced under gpl?
[04:50] <Burgundavia> mpt just through that on
[04:50] <Burgundavia> s/thought/threw
[04:50] <Burgundavia> he didn't know our licenses
[04:50] <mpt> As I said, GPL + BY-SA, with the exception that the attribution restriction of the BY-SA does not apply.
[04:51] <mpt> I went with that after talking with Burgundavia about licenses
[04:51] <mpt> It's the same as OpenOffice.org uses
[04:51] <mpt> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-community/2005-March/000369.html
[04:51] <rob^> what does taking off BY SA do then..
[04:51] <rob^> how will it effect the docs?
[04:52] <mpt> It doesn't, directly
[04:52] <mpt> but it means that Ubuntu Help couldn't be copied and pasted into other BY-SA work
[04:52] <mpt> which in turn would make authors of BY-SA works less likely to contribute their changes back.
[04:53] <rob^> from my understanding, the BY-SA just means that they dont have to acknowledge us/ubuntu?
[04:53] <jeffsch> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/
[04:53] <Burgundavia> hey jeffsch 
[04:53] <mpt> The BY-SA normally *does* mean that they have to attribute the original author
[04:54] <Burgundavia> jeffsch, have you missed anything?
[04:54] <mpt> but Debian doesn't like that for the same reason they don't like the GFDL
[04:54] <jeffsch> nope
[04:54] <mpt> Hence, my special exception
[04:54] <Burgundavia> jeffsch, ok
[04:54] <rob^> but that sucks quite frankly
[04:55] <rob^> thats our hard work, we should be acknowledged
[04:55] <mpt> Well, people who contribute to GPL apps don't have a problem with their attribution possibly being removed
[04:56] <mpt> I want something that Ubuntu can share with Debian, and I don't mind my attribution being removed
[04:56] <rob^> as do I, but I dont see why Debian needs to be so hard-assed about it
[04:56] <Burgundavia> the GFDL sucks, to be honest
[04:57] <mpt> I have no particular love for Debian, but they're the foundation of Ubuntu, and they've got good principles, and they'll be in a hole without GFDL-licensed docs, and something coming from Ubuntu to help them out will make them feel better about Ubuntu.
[04:57] <jsgotangco> i don't mind our docs go upstream either
[04:58] <mpt> If you're uncomfortable with the idea of your attribution being removed, we have plenty of docs under the GFDL that you can contribute to :-)
[04:58] <jsgotangco> Debian Legal would be happy as well
[04:58] <rob^> yeah, well it doesn't look like I have a choice if I want to keep doing what I'm doing
[04:59] <rob^> but then again, it would be good to give something like this back to Debian
[04:59] <jjesse> can i ask a silly question?  why would our docs go upstream to debian when they are ubuntu specific?
[04:59] <jeffsch> rob^: the BY part of the license is the attribution part
[04:59] <Burgundavia> jjesse, they don't have to be
[04:59] <jjesse> like the FAQ guide
[05:00] <jeffsch> rob^: the BY part will still be there
[05:00] <Burgundavia> the key part is the docs still remain free, even if our names are not on it
[05:00] <jeffsch> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/
[05:00] <mpt> jjesse: One thing that Bazaar makes easy is that Debian and Ubuntu can maintain their branches independently, merging only the non-brand-specific parts from each other.
[05:00] <rob^> jeffsch, thanks
[05:00] <rob^> jeffsch, now I get it
[05:00] <jjesse> ok
[05:00] <jsgotangco> jjesse: it means our docs can be easily lifted up
[05:01] <rob^> I'm ok with the BY part still being there
[05:01] <rob^> the SA doesn't bother me so much
[05:02] <Burgundavia> shall we post to the list about this?
[05:02] <rob^> Burgundavia, yes good point also
[05:03] <Burgundavia> we also should clear a license change mdz or mako
[05:03] <rob^> yep
[05:03] <Burgundavia> mpt, you want to do the emailing on this?
[05:04] <Burgundavia> ok then, lets move on
[05:05] <Burgundavia> new quick guide
[05:05] <Burgundavia> any objections to it becoming a marketing doc?
[05:05] <rob^> Burgundavia, what do you mean by "marketing doc"?
[05:05] <jsgotangco> i don't except that if its a marketing doc, i dont think quickguide is a good title
[05:06] <Burgundavia> Basically, use breezy because here are all the cool new features
[05:06] <rob^> ok
[05:06] <Burgundavia> http://www.linspire.com/quickstart
[05:06] <Burgundavia> see that for an idea
[05:06] <rob^> yeah, ok sounds good :)
[05:06] <jjesse> fine w/ me
[05:07] <Burgundavia> jeffsch, any thoughts?
[05:07] <rob^> probably needs a name change or something though
[05:07] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:07] <jeffsch> new features since hoary?
[05:07] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:07] <jeffsch> or new features like/not like windows?
[05:07] <Burgundavia> what sets Ubuntu apart, mostly new features
[05:08] <Burgundavia> but maybe cool features that aren't in OS X or windows
[05:08] <rob^> bugger
[05:08] <rob^> netsplit
[05:08] <Burgundavia> we only lost mpt
[05:09] <jeffsch> Burgundavia: http://www.linspire.com/quickstart is empty 
[05:10] <Burgundavia> bugger
[05:10] <Burgundavia> it should autostart downloading a pdf
[05:10] <jsgotangco> i thought just cool new breezy features
[05:10] <rob^> Burgundavia, I've seen it before
[05:10] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:11] <Burgundavia> most of the breezy new features are also not going to be in anything else
[05:11] <Burgundavia> but the idea of the respec is good? no objections?
[05:11] <jeffsch> no objections from me
[05:12] <rob^> no
[05:12] <jsgotangco> none
[05:12] <Burgundavia> ok, moving on
[05:12] <jsgotangco> im not so sure about Kubuntu though
[05:12] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, you want to give an update on your project
[05:12] <jsgotangco> its like 80% done
[05:12] <Burgundavia> and jeffsch since you are here as well
[05:12] <jsgotangco> hmm project yes....i'm almost done with my StyleGuide contribution
[05:13] <jsgotangco> on writing for international audience
[05:13] <jsgotangco> as for QuickGuide, yes we'll do the respec
[05:13] <jeffsch> coming slowly. jsgotangco has helped, I still hope to be done by july 31.
[05:13] <jsgotangco> i haven't been doing Kubuntu stuff slowly though
[05:13] <jeffsch> may be wishful thinking though
[05:13] <Burgundavia> rob^, I was jumping back to get them
[05:13] <rob^> ah cool
[05:13] <rob^> bit lost then for a sec
[05:14] <Burgundavia> jeffsch, jsgotangco anything else?
[05:14] <jsgotangco> well i'm going to make a launchpad team for us
[05:14] <jsgotangco> Ubuntu Documentation Project
[05:14] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:14] <jeffsch> nope. move along :)
[05:14] <Burgundavia> do we need to discuss licenses further?
[05:14] <rob^> well, one thing I might add
[05:14] <jsgotangco> we need a working X to do work really
[05:15] <Burgundavia> rob^, shoot
[05:15] <rob^> the faq as mentioned already is GPL as it was derived from ubuntuguide.org
[05:15] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:15] <rob^> I have it as tri-licenced atm
[05:15] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:15] <rob^> but I'm not too sure about that
[05:16] <jeffsch> i thought the author gave permission for gfdl and cc-by-sa
[05:16] <Burgundavia> he did
[05:16] <rob^> jeffsch, yes
[05:16] <Burgundavia> but it is already gpl
[05:16] <jeffsch> ok, so the version in svn is only two licenses
[05:17] <rob^> no, three
[05:17] <Burgundavia> we never added the gpl to it
[05:17] <rob^> it was gpl anyway
[05:17] <Burgundavia> until now
[05:17] <rob^> its stated at the top of ubuntuguide.org
[05:18] <jeffsch> but our faqguide is only 2 licenses, we dropped gpl with permission
[05:18] <rob^> ok
[05:18] <jeffsch> ubuntuguide.org is still gpl
[05:18] <jeffsch> the docs are different now
[05:18] <Burgundavia> but our doc is a clear deriv of the ubuntuguide.org one
[05:18] <rob^> yes, pretty much all the differences are mine and matts work
[05:19] <rob^> the way I see it is that if we still want to use gpl we can, as that is the orignal licence..
[05:20] <rob^> but how does everyone see it?
[05:20] <Burgundavia> rob^, you want to ping mako on that one?
[05:21] <rob^> ok
[05:21] <rob^> after the meeting
[05:21] <Burgundavia> ya
[05:21] <Burgundavia> anything else on licensing>
[05:21] <Burgundavia> ?
[05:21] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:21] <Burgundavia> our linode server
[05:21] <rob^> no
[05:22] <jeffsch> i kinda like PD, the ultimate in free
[05:22] <Burgundavia> shall we defer till next meeting
[05:22] <Burgundavia> so mdke can present it?
[05:22] <Burgundavia> unless anybody else has ideas
[05:22] <jsgotangco> he's in his barrister ceremoney
[05:22] <jsgotangco> his officially a lawyer today
[05:22] <Burgundavia> lucky man
[05:23] <jsgotangco> i guess we can start an Ubuntu Legal team
[05:23] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:23] <rob^> heh
[05:23] <Burgundavia> ok, any further items for this meeting?
[05:23] <rob^> nup
[05:23] <jsgotangco> ok just a quickie, i'll do a team for us in launchpad and announce it later
[05:23] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:23] <jsgotangco> motu has one why don't we
[05:24] <Burgundavia> we already have a wiki team to
[05:24] <jsgotangco> yeah that's why...
[05:24] <jsgotangco> other than that, let's wait for our laptops :)
[05:24] <Burgundavia> ok then, I declare this meeting finished
[05:24] <Burgundavia> I will have a summary on the list soonish
[05:25] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: thanks for filling up, i was at the wrong place at the wrong time..my dsl is still dead..
[05:25] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, np
[05:25] <jsgotangco> ok next meeting should be 2 weeks from now, 22UTC
[05:25] <jsgotangco> unless you've talked about the time issue
[05:25] <rob^> maybe
[05:26] <rob^> I'm going to email the list about it
[05:26] <jsgotangco> sure
[05:26] <rob^> not enough memebers here to discuss it
[05:26] <jsgotangco> but remember we're spanning across 2 oceans
[05:26] <rob^> yea I know!
[05:26] <jsgotangco> 14UTC is like 7am in some areas in NA
[05:27] <Burgundavia> don't remind me
[05:27] <Burgundavia> sleep, whats sleep?
[05:27] <rob^> jsgotangco, its midnight here
[05:28] <jsgotangco> heck i've had it worse on 20utc meetings
[05:28] <jsgotangco> :)
[05:28] <rob^> jsgotangco, I think the day needs to change
[05:28] <rob^> to like Friday or something
[05:28] <jeffsch> Burgundavia: in winter, 14UTC will be 6am here!
[05:28] <jsgotangco> rob^: sure, as long as it doesn't overlap with CC and TB meetings
[05:28] <rob^> yeah
[05:28] <jsgotangco> remember 22UTC for us is actually the next day
[05:29] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:29] <Burgundavia> jeffsch, where do you live?
[05:29] <jeffsch> vancouver
[05:29] <Burgundavia> that is crazy
[05:29] <rob^> 22z is 8am here
[05:29] <Burgundavia> anyway, we should get out of -meeting
[05:29] <Burgundavia> back to -doc all of you
[05:29] <rob^> the next day also
[06:04] <mpt> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs doesn't work
[06:05] <fabbione> what do you mean it doesn't work?
[06:06] <fabbione> be specific
[06:16] <mpt> sorry
[06:16] <mpt> fabbione: "The document contains no data."
[06:16] <fabbione> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[06:16] <fabbione> works here
[06:16] <fabbione> check your browser
[06:17] <mpt> the latter works
[06:17] <mpt> thanks
[06:17] <mpt> ... before it crashes Epiphany
[06:17] <mpt> yay for Crash Recovery :-)
[07:38] <fabbione> hppa: 71.91 %
[07:38] <fabbione> sparc: 75.17 %
[07:39] <fabbione> you also have less pkgs to build....
[07:39] <fabbione> ia64: 89.25 %
[10:13] <highvoltage> hilaire: do you use squeak?
[10:13] <highvoltage> sorry, wrong window